| 00:00.00 | alsd | ab2283: should be, i'm telling you from memory |
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| 00:01.04 | aakef | K_Sakura: If it is a raw-image it should be mountable with -oloop |
| 00:01.22 | Mark17 | hello, is it possible to take an lvm snapshot without unmounting it/stop using it without issues? |
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| 00:01.37 | syzygy | Anybody know how to get fglrx working for ATI 4800 series graphics cards? |
| 00:01.38 | ab2283 | alsd: damn! you f*ing rock! |
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| 00:02.11 | syzygy | I tried a couple of verison of the installer and they do not work |
| 00:02.13 | K_Sakura | (I can't remember if I made that image a raw one), its just that I can put stuff on an emulated system, but I can't get it off.) |
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| 00:02.57 | aakef | K_Sakura: You can convert to raw |
| 00:03.00 | ab2283 | alsd: you saved the day! |
| 00:03.07 | syzygy | also tried envy, and jockey |
| 00:03.13 | syzygy | neither work for debain lenny |
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| 00:03.27 | ab2283 | alsd: now maybe you can help me with something a little easier - so I can help others: is there a very basic starting point or a cookbook on how to quickly package .debs ? |
| 00:03.40 | stew | ab2283: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 00:03.49 | K_Sakura | Or just create a small raw image and copy any relevant data to and from it. |
| 00:03.55 | twiadpaws | paste in here dmsg ? |
| 00:03.57 | twiadpaws | : ))) |
| 00:03.59 | twiadpaws | oh well i did |
| 00:04.01 | twiadpaws | he's ignoring me |
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| 00:04.03 | twiadpaws | too many queries :D |
| 00:04.11 | twiadpaws | think that dmsg outputet too many lines |
| 00:04.15 | twiadpaws | like hax |
| 00:04.17 | alsd | ab2283: if it's a simple program with configure, dh-make can be your friend |
| 00:05.28 | AciD | hi, i just finished installing a fresh lenny over my previous distrib |
| 00:05.29 | ab2283 | alsd: mhm it's a somewhat complicated rpm that i'm trying to rip apart (it's a complete java based raid controller management environment including gui and a complete (defunct) jre) - i'm just gonna want to repackage the agent part for remote manageability |
| 00:06.14 | AciD | how can you choose an external videoprojector with gnome 2.22 (compared with gnome 2.24 with that very handy gnome-display-properties) ? |
| 00:07.06 | ab2283 | alsd: oh and there's no sources, everythings precompiled |
| 00:07.27 | aakef | ab2283: I would take an example rules file, that just copies files and then remove the replace install/cp commands by new ones. |
| 00:07.54 | alsd | ab2283: .deb package and all the packaging tools are made for source code, but I guess you can try to take ideas from an existing source java package |
| 00:08.17 | valentin_ | I cant mount my iso image during installation.... could not setup loop device. Why is that? |
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| 00:08.31 | aakef | alsd: Just copying in files works fine. |
| 00:08.59 | ab2283 | aakef / alsd is there a good starting point for documentation? i'm sure i'll manage from there myself, just need a kick in the right direction |
| 00:09.06 | mordy | hey, where are the Xcursor settings defined? |
| 00:09.16 | aakef | alsd: With source it compiles and copies, so no absolute need for compilation. |
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| 00:09.36 | mordy | i notice i can only get them with update-alternatives -cursor-theme, but i wonder where's the file that it's actually stored in |
| 00:09.38 | aakef | ab2283: There is the Debian New Maintainer guide. |
| 00:09.57 | aakef | ab2283: But I would use a small example package, just a second. |
| 00:10.49 | AciD | let's put it another way : is there an easy way to be able to use a videoprojector under lenny ? |
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| 00:13.59 | aakef | ab2283: If you want, check the debian directory of this file http://www.pci.uni-heidelberg.de/tc/usr/bernd/downloads/lustre/lmt/lmt-1.20-hg.tar.bz2 |
| 00:14.11 | valentin_ | Help me please! |
| 00:14.25 | valentin_ | Cant install Debian on my new Netbook |
| 00:14.52 | valentin_ | im trying usb-stick installation but it cant find the debian.iso image |
| 00:15.03 | dmoerner | valentin_: what is the model? |
| 00:15.11 | valentin_ | samsung nc 10 |
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| 00:15.22 | aakef | ab2283: The rules file mostly copies some files. |
| 00:15.28 | dmoerner | !+tell valentin_ -about usb install |
| 00:15.29 | dpkg | told valentin_ about usb install. |
| 00:15.47 | dmoerner | valentin_: you can't just put the iso on the usb stick, but instead you have to follow the usb installation instructions |
| 00:15.48 | ab2283 | aakef: very sexy. that should really help! thanks! |
| 00:16.23 | aakef | ab2283: There's also my mail address, I'm very rarely in irc |
| 00:16.23 | ab2283 | nice'n clean |
| 00:16.56 | aakef | ab2283: Then you need to edit the control file of course and the changelog |
| 00:16.59 | ab2283 | oh that's you? you should be in bed by now then :P |
| 00:17.07 | ab2283 | yep |
| 00:17.20 | aakef | ab2283: Working on my thesis ;) |
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| 00:17.50 | aakef | ab2283: Working on my thesis ;) |
| 00:18.08 | trnzmeta | guys: whats the command to see what package a certain file belongs to? |
| 00:18.12 | ab2283 | aakef: good luck! |
| 00:18.13 | dmoerner | valentin_: you might find http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.laptop/browse_thread/thread/9f7bb73807dc81c1/48c1fe43f8fff2da?lnk=raot useful |
| 00:18.17 | dmoerner | trnzmeta: dpkg -S file |
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| 00:18.24 | trnzmeta | cheers :) |
| 00:18.31 | ab2283 | aakef: being on irc seems somewhat counterproductive though ;) |
| 00:19.03 | valentin_ | dmoerner: i did that already .. and my usb stick boots just fine. But it cant find the installation packages. So ic additionaly copied debian stable cd1 iso onto the usb stick. but i cant mount it nor does the installer recognise the *.iso file. |
| 00:19.19 | aakef | ab2283: LOL, actually I just wanted to help my girl-friend and ask for the correct english phrase ;) Well, rather interesting discussions here... |
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| 00:19.27 | dmoerner | valentin_: you want to use debian lenny, not stable |
| 00:19.33 | |ahmina| | Is AC3 a patented format? |
| 00:19.35 | dmoerner | and you want to put a netinst cd probably |
| 00:20.29 | ab2283 | aakef: i was wondering how you'd come to the conclusion that #debian users know about vertebrates... but now i see the connection (with you and the channel) |
| 00:20.36 | valentin_ | dmoerner: i only have wlan available and my interface is a atheros... which driver do i have to choose during netinstall? I tried netinstall before. |
| 00:21.20 | dmoerner | valentin_: i meant that you can just install the base system off of netinst without internet, then boot it up and install a 2.6.28 kernel to get the wifi working |
| 00:21.31 | dmoerner | dpkg: +tell valentin_ -about trunk kernel |
| 00:21.31 | dpkg | told valentin_ about trunk kernel. |
| 00:22.14 | ab2283 | aakef: i should go now, unless I want my wife to /mode +b me from the bedroom. you and alsd have helped a lot - thanks again! |
| 00:22.55 | aakef | ab2283: Have a good night! |
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| 00:23.16 | imachine | hi |
| 00:23.20 | imachine | how unstable is sid ? |
| 00:23.42 | dkr | 37 ergofargles |
| 00:24.06 | imachine | in terms of say freebsd, would 'unstable' be concidered similar in stability to -STABLE ? |
| 00:24.12 | imachine | or would it be more like -CURRENT ? |
| 00:24.23 | K_Sakura | I think its probably best said "stable, whats that?" |
| 00:24.25 | ab2283 | g'night everyone |
| 00:24.45 | dmoerner | imachine: think of it is -CURRENT in that analogy. /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 00:24.46 | imachine | K_Sakura, stable is what's been through -CURRENT, and is more up-to-date than -RELEASE |
| 00:25.09 | imachine | dmoerner, just for clarification, unstable == sid? |
| 00:25.21 | K_Sakura | In terms of stability, (from least to most): Unstable, Testing, Stable. |
| 00:25.29 | dmoerner | yes |
| 00:25.56 | imachine | K_Sakura, so I should be best of with Testing then ? |
| 00:25.59 | K_Sakura | In general, Testing is a decent mix of stability and recent stuff. |
| 00:26.04 | imachine | yeah |
| 00:26.11 | imachine | I have Debian Etch, 4.0 |
| 00:26.18 | K_Sakura | If you're experienced with POSIX OSes in general. |
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| 00:26.43 | imachine | but I've enabled 'unstable' in apt.source, yet I'm using some lines in /etc/apt/preferences to favor Etch over unstable. |
| 00:27.10 | dmoerner | imachine: safely mixing stable and unstable is impossible |
| 00:27.12 | stew | imachine: you should not mix stable and unstable |
| 00:27.18 | K_Sakura | I've been using Testing for... several years. |
| 00:27.19 | imachine | I'm not mixing it. |
| 00:27.31 | imachine | I've not installed any application yet. |
| 00:27.33 | imachine | from unstable. |
| 00:27.43 | imachine | most require libc 2.7 anyway ;) |
| 00:27.45 | stew | imachine: then remove unstable from your sources.list before you do |
| 00:27.46 | imachine | K_Sakura, on servers? |
| 00:27.53 | K_Sakura | I would not recommend anything except kernels from unstable. |
| 00:28.05 | K_Sakura | For *important* servers, I'd recommend Stable. |
| 00:28.33 | imachine | so, 'etch' and 'etch/updates' correct? |
| 00:28.35 | K_Sakura | Unless there is a *must have* program in Testing that isn't in stable. |
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| 00:28.54 | K_Sakura | And for that there's backports. |
| 00:28.59 | stew | in which case you are adding a deb-src line for testing, not a deb line |
| 00:29.05 | stew | or yes, backports (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 00:29.46 | K_Sakura | I would only run Unstable on a box for testing purposes -- with no important data, or hardware. |
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| 00:30.17 | imachine | K_Sakura, but testing is fine for servers as well? |
| 00:30.33 | imachine | have you ever had testing crap out on you in any way? |
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| 00:30.48 | imachine | say during an update or so |
| 00:31.08 | stew | imachine: it is in general not recommended to run testing on servers. security support for testing is not guaranteed. its essentailly guaranteed now that we are close to release. but there is NOT going to be security support in testing immediately after the lenny release |
| 00:31.19 | valentin_ | dmoerner: im now in the graphical installer of debian testing. What should i do to install the basic system ... partitioning grub a kernel ? |
| 00:31.31 | K_Sakura | I've had some problems with Testing over the years, (about 5-6 now), but in general, I've had few problems. |
| 00:31.33 | llimeht | imachine: testing is a moving target and poorly suited to servers. It also genereally doesn't receive good security support so would not be good on a publically accessible machine |
| 00:31.35 | stew | and immediately after the lenny release (as is the case immediately after any release) testing will become quite a bit more unstable very quickly |
| 00:31.53 | dmoerner | valentin_: what do you mean? follow the prompts. if you don't have internet access it will figure that out and not prompt you to install extra stuff from the network. |
| 00:32.23 | imachine | thanks a lot for the info guys. |
| 00:32.39 | imachine | I'll stick with etch for now, and try lenny once it comes out (I believe lenny - debian 5.0? ;)) |
| 00:33.08 | valentin_ | dmoerner: installler breaks as i dont have internet access. |
| 00:33.38 | valentin_ | dmoerner: it just doesnt continue .... there is no next next finish ... |
| 00:34.19 | dmoerner | valentin_: just tell it to go back when it fails to configure the network card properly, and then skip ahead to the next thing in the list. are you sure that you are using a lenny netinst cd? |
| 00:34.30 | imachine | I've subsituted all 'etch' instances with 'stable' for now in apt.sources |
| 00:34.31 | dmoerner | if that works you could try booting it in expert mode but i don't believe that to be necessary |
| 00:34.36 | imachine | I suppose that's a good move ? |
| 00:35.23 | valentin_ | dmoerner: im using a usb stick because my netbook doesnt have a cd drive. and yes im using a lenny netinstall on my usb stick. |
| 00:35.52 | llimeht | imachine: no, that's a bad move. Stick to release names (etch, lenny etc) in your sources.list |
| 00:36.20 | imachine | llimeht, right, I thought that once lenny comes out, having it tagged as 'stable' I'd automatically pull lenny |
| 00:36.25 | alsd | imachine: it'll shift to lenny when it's released automagically. if it's for a server that would not be great as it might break subtle things |
| 00:36.55 | imachine | ofcourse, I'll look into it :-) |
| 00:36.55 | stew | imachine: yes, and that will like cause things to break |
| 00:37.13 | imachine | I don't have apt-get dist-upgrade in cron ;)) |
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| 00:37.38 | stew | imachine: "/msg dpkg lenny release notes". have a look at chapter 4, the recommended upgrade procedure. its a lot more involved than just changing something in sources.list |
| 00:37.43 | imachine | well you've chilled my horses for a while nonetheless. |
| 00:37.54 | imachine | stew, I just did read some info off of dpkg, cheers |
| 00:38.03 | imachine | thanks for the insight guys :) |
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| 00:38.08 | llimeht | imachine: even your next apt-get upgrade could/would end badly. etch->lenny is something to be planned and done when you have the time and fallback plans ready |
| 00:38.09 | stew | imachine: that's good, since you shouldn't use apt-get dist-upgrade while moving from etch to lenny |
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| 00:38.12 | imachine | I'll drop by sometime if you don't mind ;] |
| 00:38.27 | stew | imachine: of course we don't mind :) |
| 00:38.40 | bitmonk | hello, i'm having a slight amount of trouble configuring a stacked (ip4 and ip6) interface on my host. there seems to be a lot more details about configuring tunneled interfaces in the wiki, and a statement that native ip6 should 'just work'. i'm in a datacenter with control of my own blocks, so, i need to make that magic happen myself. any suggestions for something i might not find easily in google? |
| 00:38.43 | imachine | sleep time for me then, gnight. |
| 00:38.48 | imachine | & |
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| 00:39.18 | bitmonk | what i've tried is to make two 'iface eth0' entries in /etc/network/interfaces, one for 'inet', and one for 'inet6', but i get some whining from ifconfig when i try to network restart. |
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| 00:39.31 | MarkJones | Is there any word on a release date for Lenny? |
| 00:39.37 | MarkJones | Anyone know? |
| 00:39.42 | llimeht | !topicsmite MarkJones |
| 00:39.42 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon MarkJones. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:40.01 | wad | Has anyone else's CUPS died recently? Something killed mine off, no printing anymore, not even test pages from the CUPS page. |
| 00:40.12 | llimeht | MarkJones: when it's ready. real soon now. we hope |
| 00:40.47 | K_Sakura | That sort of thing happened to me on a server recently -- unknown cause. |
| 00:40.48 | stew | MarkJones: debian never sets release dates |
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| 00:41.05 | ricoshady | whats the best way to run the ssh key agent? |
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| 00:41.22 | stew | ricoshady: do you run x windows? |
| 00:41.28 | wad | ricoshady: KDE or gnome? |
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| 00:42.06 | MarkJones | Oh and by the way has anyone here wished for lightscribe support that enables images on the discs? I actually found a way its very easy using a template I made and using the nautilus as root user to replace a border image that the simple labaelr comes with.Anyone interested or need this? |
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| 00:42.39 | TwistOfFate | guys |
| 00:42.53 | TwistOfFate | how do go through the network setup again that you go through during install? |
| 00:43.01 | TwistOfFate | dpkg-reconfigure something i'd imagine |
| 00:43.06 | stew | TwistOfFate: editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:43.20 | stew | TwistOfFate: you have to edit files by hand |
| 00:43.26 | TwistOfFate | what the |
| 00:43.32 | TwistOfFate | there's no config utility? |
| 00:43.33 | alsd | TwistOfFate: what about women? i know there aren't much around, but anyway ;) |
| 00:43.37 | ricoshady | stew, no |
| 00:43.40 | ricoshady | just a shell |
| 00:43.52 | ricoshady | wad, niether |
| 00:43.58 | ricoshady | no x |
| 00:44.06 | alsd | TwistOfFate: maybe networkmanager if you're into that sort of things |
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| 00:46.08 | ricoshady | how long do the keys last in the agent? even after logging out and restarts? |
| 00:46.44 | wad | ricoshady: ssh-add |
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| 00:57.08 | ricoshady | how long do the keys last? until the ssh-agent stop running? |
| 00:57.26 | karsten | ricoshady: yes. |
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| 00:57.30 | karsten | ricoshady: man ssh-agent |
| 00:57.44 | karsten | ricoshady: You can specify a timeout. You can also disable keys through ssh-add. |
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| 00:57.50 | karsten | ricoshady: man ssh-add |
| 00:58.28 | karsten | ricoshady: No, they're only active so long as your X session is running if you're running ssh-agent through that, or so long as the ssh-agent is running, otherwise (you're doing something funky). |
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| 01:03.20 | ricoshady | karsten, thanks... also, if I want to create two different keys, do I need to use the id_rsa filename? or can I pick anything? will ssh can for any keys in that direcoty? |
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| 01:03.35 | ricoshady | scan |
| 01:04.31 | TwistOfFate | guys |
| 01:04.53 | TwistOfFate | can i rerun the part of the setup that puts the lines into sources.list for me? |
| 01:04.57 | TwistOfFate | or do i need to manually do that too? |
| 01:05.05 | llimeht | dpkg: tell TwistOfFate about apt-spy |
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| 01:06.16 | TwistOfFate | thanks |
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| 01:08.45 | Titan | http://deflate.medialayer.com/ can anyone recommend a debian compatible ddos script like that one |
| 01:09.14 | Titan | !dpkg ddos |
| 01:09.14 | dpkg | well, ddos is Distributed Denial of Service, or http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm, or see slashdot.org |
| 01:09.16 | mondolm | I have a dvd drive connected. The drive is detected under KInfo. The /etc/fstab entry read as: /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0. But it is not reading the media. What else to check? I am using kernel-2.6.19. udev entry should be ok, right? |
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| 01:09.47 | mondolm | sorry, it should be kernel-2.6.18 |
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| 01:11.10 | abrotman | dvd? fd0 ? |
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| 01:12.44 | batcoder-7 | how can i tell what device on my computer is a headphone jack |
| 01:13.04 | newsense | mondolm: that is the fstab entry for a floppy drive is what abrotman is saying |
| 01:13.06 | mondolm | abrotman: sorry, got the wrong line. it should be: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 01:13.33 | mondolm | newsense: should be :/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 01:13.41 | Titan | what should I use to protect against a ddos |
| 01:14.15 | newsense | mondolm: i dont see a problem with it if /dev/hdc is your dvd drive |
| 01:14.50 | mondolm | newsense: it is not reading the media, and can't boot from the media. |
| 01:14.58 | newsense | mondolm: dmesg |grep hdc should tell ya if it is or not |
| 01:16.12 | newsense | mondolm: what isnt reading it ? |
| 01:16.17 | mondolm | newsense: thks. i think i know why. it is not mounted, not in /etc/mtab. |
| 01:16.23 | newsense | mondolm: and is your bios set to boot from the drive ? |
| 01:16.52 | mondolm | newsense: yes, i have set the bios to boot from the drive. |
| 01:17.14 | Mark17 | Titan: against a big ddos you cannot protect yourself totally |
| 01:17.23 | Titan | I know that |
| 01:17.29 | Titan | I am talking about small sized botnets |
| 01:17.42 | Titan | I am too much of a noob to set up shorewall |
| 01:17.52 | Titan | http://deflate.medialayer.com/ this looks good but it won't work on deb |
| 01:18.00 | newsense | use iptables |
| 01:18.11 | Titan | D: |
| 01:18.12 | Mark17 | iptables |
| 01:18.21 | Mark17 | if needed add apf |
| 01:18.36 | Titan | apf is easier than iptables right |
| 01:18.44 | Titan | by the way I am on an openvz container |
| 01:19.02 | newsense | openvz container ? |
| 01:19.06 | Atropine | titan: take a look @firestarter |
| 01:19.19 | TwistOfFate | guys |
| 01:19.23 | Titan | newsense: vps |
| 01:19.26 | TwistOfFate | i'm using the http_proxy variable |
| 01:19.32 | TwistOfFate | but the password has @ characters in it |
| 01:19.37 | TwistOfFate | how do i escape them? |
| 01:19.55 | Titan | Atropine: looks good but I don't have/want a graphical system on this server |
| 01:20.05 | Titan | high traffic website you see |
| 01:20.11 | mondolm | newsense: "no medium found" when I try to mount. Medium is definitely in there. |
| 01:20.25 | Mark17 | Titan: use apf and when it has a problem ask your provider to fix it |
| 01:20.37 | Mark17 | or move to another provider that is willing to help |
| 01:20.53 | Titan | I am on a strictly unmanaged plan |
| 01:21.13 | Mark17 | when there is a ddos they will help |
| 01:21.18 | Mark17 | or they will have a problem |
| 01:21.18 | newsense | mondolm: did ya try with -t iso9660 |
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| 01:21.25 | Titan | true I suppose |
| 01:21.32 | mondolm | yeah |
| 01:21.35 | Titan | ill look into apf anyway |
| 01:21.48 | Mark17 | and for the very small ddos things look for iptables + apf (it should do it for the very small ddos attacks) |
| 01:21.57 | Mark17 | or ignore it ;) |
| 01:22.05 | newsense | mondolm: ya sure thats the right drive, did ya run dmesg |grep hdc like is uggested ? |
| 01:23.09 | mondolm | newsense: dmesg |grep hdc |
| 01:23.11 | mondolm | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.12 | mondolm | hdc: DVD-ROM DDU220E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 01:23.14 | mondolm | hdc: ATAPI DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache, DMA |
| 01:23.58 | newsense | mondolm: you try other disks ? |
| 01:24.21 | abrotman | mondolm: what's on the DVD ? |
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| 01:24.58 | mondolm | newsense: just tried another one, same problem. mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt |
| 01:25.00 | mondolm | mount: No medium found |
| 01:25.34 | mondolm | newsense: i have tried a Vista installation medium and a Debian installation one too. |
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| 01:26.54 | newsense | mondolm: do you have other directories under /mnt, not sure if it makes a difference but it might |
| 01:28.11 | n3kl_ | How can I find the full path of a directory? |
| 01:28.11 | mondolm | newsense: hell, /mnt is not empty. that is the problem. how to empty it? a umount makes no diff. |
| 01:28.13 | n3kl_ | or file? |
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| 01:29.35 | amitz | mondolm: there is the usual possibility that the cd can't be read by that particular drive. When you first inserted the CD, did you notice any whirling sound getting speedier? |
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| 01:30.52 | amitz | mondolm: that is the usual sound of any cd first read by a drive. |
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| 01:33.36 | mondolm | amitz: no sound. |
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| 01:35.12 | MarkJones | Hello I am using Debian 4.0r6 and I was wondering where the common place to find a PPD printer driver is and is that like a workaround file for when you dont have a real driver?I have a Brother HL-2140 monochrome laser printer. |
| 01:35.56 | pablo | MarkJones: read coments on openprinting |
| 01:36.40 | mondolm | amitz: i have tried a dvd and a cd-rw. |
| 01:37.09 | batcoder-7 | how cna i tell what thing is my headset? |
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| 01:37.23 | batcoder-7 | skype is using my main speakers hmmm |
| 01:37.24 | MarkJones | it says no bots. Not sure of the rest. |
| 01:37.28 | batcoder-7 | and i dont know what device it is |
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| 01:39.07 | Tyrath | could anyone help me get exim4 working? |
| 01:39.17 | Tyrath | i'm on ubuntu which is like debian... |
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| 01:39.25 | abrotman | ask your real question |
| 01:39.34 | beardy | In #ubuntu. |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | Tyrath: go to #ubuntu for Ubuntu support |
| 01:39.39 | Tyrath | i've tried |
| 01:39.52 | Tyrath | but exim4 is on debian aswell |
| 01:40.07 | abrotman | Tyrath: this channel does not support ubuntu, you can go to #ubuntu, ##linux or #exim |
| 01:40.14 | dj_ryan | heh |
| 01:40.17 | Tyrath | i'll try exim |
| 01:40.19 | Tyrath | tha nks |
| 01:40.23 | beardy | Good luck. |
| 01:40.27 | MarkJones | So did I break the rules or whats going on? |
| 01:40.30 | Tyrath | ty |
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| 01:40.47 | dj_ryan | would you say there is animosity between debian and ubuntu? |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | dj_ryan: no, we just don't support non-debian distros in #debian |
| 01:41.25 | dj_ryan | now, the exim package is nearly identical between the two? |
| 01:41.29 | MarkJones | eek ubuntu is unstable |
| 01:41.37 | dj_ryan | heh |
| 01:41.51 | dj_ryan | once upon a time i gave up on debian because it's installer wouldnt support root on raid1 |
| 01:41.56 | dj_ryan | i was sad that day |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | ubuntu is offtopic here, go to #ubuntu if you want to talk about it |
| 01:42.53 | MarkJones | Im sorry if I offended or soemthing with my printer question.I just never heard of a PPD before.Not where to get that. |
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| 01:43.39 | adama_ | MarkJones: I don't know anything about any PPD, but I've heard that Brother hardware is very near impossible to use with Linux |
| 01:43.58 | adama_ | MarkJones: try linuxprinting.org i believe... |
| 01:43.59 | MarkJones | So its mainly HP only? |
| 01:44.03 | MarkJones | ok |
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| 01:44.36 | abrotman | did you check the linuxprinting website ? |
| 01:44.50 | adama_ | I have a couple of Lexmarks, they're fine |
| 01:45.24 | MarkJones | checking right now |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | linuxprinting.org |
| 01:46.52 | syzygy | Can anyone get ATI Radeon 4830 working, ui have tried a bunch aof driver installation guides and programs (envy, jockey) and still nothing, does fglrx even work for debian lenny? |
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| 01:50.30 | adama_ | heheh sarixe |
| 01:51.17 | abrotman | envy isn't part of lenny, and i doubt jockey is either .. did you even try the debian way to install fglrx ? |
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| 01:53.53 | MarkJones | Ah sweet turns out they have a linux driver and wrapper right on the brother website.Thanks. |
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| 01:55.17 | corey_ | hello, can you give me a location with php5-cli package without suhosin patch ?? |
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| 01:58.47 | syzygy | abrotman: yes |
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| 01:59.14 | syzygy | abrotman: I get a pplib error |
| 01:59.26 | abrotman | means nothing to me .. |
| 01:59.33 | syzygy | me neither |
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| 02:00.10 | abrotman | you might want to try installing the drivers the debian way, and then put the error in a pastebin |
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| 02:03.21 | syzygy | abrotman: and what, pray tell...is the debian way? |
| 02:03.35 | abrotman | i thought you said you tried the debian way |
| 02:03.42 | liable | TM |
| 02:04.03 | syzygy | yeah, and then you recommended I do it again...just checking to make sure my debian way was THE debian way, as you ay |
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| 02:04.09 | syzygy | *say |
| 02:04.37 | syzygy | the only reason I tried envy and jockey is because fglrx and the debian amd 64 installer from official website do not work |
| 02:04.38 | abrotman | so tell me what you did the first time |
| 02:05.06 | dmoerner | dpkg: +tell syzygy -about fglrx one-liner |
| 02:05.06 | dpkg | told syzygy about fglrx one-liner. |
| 02:05.29 | syzygy | did all of that |
| 02:05.37 | syzygy | and fixed sources.list |
| 02:05.43 | abrotman | fixed? |
| 02:05.44 | syzygy | to include non-free |
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| 02:07.29 | syzygy | I had someon else do the modprobe...could have been done wrong, but it all looked legit |
| 02:07.53 | syzygy | vesa runs...but I am cannot control resolution or get 3d acceleration of movie playback |
| 02:07.55 | dmoerner | syzygy: please pastebin the error |
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| 02:08.09 | dmoerner | the fglrx error that is |
| 02:08.09 | syzygy | dmoerner: to which piece of he installation? |
| 02:08.11 | syzygy | okay |
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| 02:08.15 | syzygy | hold on |
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| 02:11.37 | syzygy | http://pastebin.com/m7a90fb9d |
| 02:11.37 | t325_ | Hello, could someone please provide me the command I have to enter in debian (etch 'n half) in order to download the source code of the mysql version I currently have installed? |
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| 02:11.39 | syzygy | I cannot find the error unless I change xorg.conf, but since he internet and most people here cannot identify it, I left it out |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | syzygy: that's not installing the debian way |
| 02:12.46 | syzygy | abrotman: okay, what is the debian way? |
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| 02:12.54 | abrotman | didn't we just cover this? |
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| 02:13.32 | abrotman | !tell t325_ about source |
| 02:13.58 | PiousMinion | How do I find out if NFS support is compiled into the xen kernels in the debian lenny repo? |
| 02:13.58 | syzygy | I changed sources.list =, I dpkg -i all the stuff |
| 02:14.13 | syzygy | abrotman: what else do i need, module assistant? |
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| 02:14.49 | syzygy | also reconfigured xserver-xorg |
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| 02:15.59 | syzygy | I installed everything posted by dpkg |
| 02:16.07 | syzygy | anything USEFUL, you can share? |
| 02:16.24 | t325_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:16.46 | BitUnique | how do i change my network device hierarchy? |
| 02:17.46 | dmoerner | !fglrx one-liner |
| 02:17.47 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have <non-free sources> in your sources.list. Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or if you get permission denied modprobing fglrx: modprobe -r radeon drm |
| 02:17.52 | alsd | t325_: is as simple as 'apt-get source <package>' if your sources.list is correctly setup |
| 02:18.01 | dmoerner | syzygy: you do need module-assistant, as dpkg told you. |
| 02:18.06 | syzygy | dpkg: so i just did that but m-a-a-i does not exist |
| 02:18.07 | dpkg | syzygy: are you using Windows? |
| 02:18.12 | syzygy | I already have module asssistant |
| 02:18.12 | syzygy | no |
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| 02:18.43 | dmoerner | if you have module assistant, then m-a a-i most certainly "does exist" |
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| 02:19.20 | alsd | PiousMinion: you can try to run it, or check /boot/config-$(uname -r) if it's in or not (grep for 'NFS') |
| 02:19.50 | PiousMinion | alsd: hmm, thanks |
| 02:20.01 | t325_ | alsd, thanks, abrotman made the dpkg bot tell me this; soon we'll live in a world of bots hehe |
| 02:20.13 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 02:20.56 | fr33k | aBrOtman .. ;) |
| 02:21.14 | fr33k | t = T .. duh |
| 02:21.14 | alsd | PiousMinion: a wild guess is that it's in, as quite every debian kernels have a similar config |
| 02:21.28 | BitUnique | how do i change my network device hierarchy? |
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| 02:22.07 | PiousMinion | alsd: Doesn't appear to be compiled in. It's compiled as a module. :( |
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| 02:23.05 | PiousMinion | Any idea how I can tell the initrd to load the NFS module? |
| 02:23.23 | syzygy | http://pastebin.com/m79ffd5f4 |
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| 02:23.32 | syzygy | I think I did it right |
| 02:24.21 | alsd | PiousMinion: in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf you can tell it you want NFS boot, which hopefully would include modules for it |
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| 02:25.29 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 02:25.29 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have <non-free sources> in your sources.list. Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or if you get permission denied modprobing fglrx: modprobe -r radeon drm |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | syzygy: read that^^^ |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | actually read |
| 02:25.40 | syzygy | okay |
| 02:25.51 | alsd | PiousMinion: once it's setup, update-initramfs to have it rebuild initrd.gz |
| 02:26.04 | PiousMinion | alsd: thanks. :) |
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| 02:30.10 | syzygy | abrotman: look, I uinderstand you are super mad an impatient, but I tried each step of this...and I cannot seem to get m-a a-i, modprobe, and echo to install, they are not in aptitude |
| 02:30.45 | syzygy | abrotman: I read it several times |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | no, you didn't |
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| 02:31.21 | abrotman | and i'm not mad |
| 02:31.30 | Gnurdux | iceweasel has seemed very crashy recently |
| 02:31.51 | Gnurdux | im almost considering either moving to ubuntu firefox packages or to konqueror |
| 02:32.19 | syzygy | abrotman: alright, well I do not understand...repeatedly sending me the same post does not seem to be working, so perhaps there is another option because this "debian way" will not install the packages |
| 02:32.22 | Gnurdux | feels like my average iceweasel session ends in some sort of crash |
| 02:32.23 | abrotman | Gnurdux: or removing flash ? |
| 02:32.31 | abrotman | syzygy: read it ,, it has the *exact* instructions you need |
| 02:32.36 | Gnurdux | flash is a lot of the problem but i dont think all of it |
| 02:32.56 | Gnurdux | any way to temporarily disable a plugin other than just moving it out of ~/.mozilla/plugins or whatever? |
| 02:33.01 | syzygy | alright alright, I will do it again |
| 02:33.18 | Gnurdux | maybe the problem is ever since i upgraded to flash 10 |
| 02:33.30 | \amethyst | syzygy: note that it doesn't say apt-get install m-a a-i fglrx. m-a a-i fglrx is a command |
| 02:33.30 | Gnurdux | you are most likely right |
| 02:35.09 | Gnurdux | yeah, disabling flash fixes it |
| 02:35.15 | Gnurdux | fuck macromedia |
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| 02:35.38 | lewis2 | I'm editing a field in phpmyadmin. How do I specify a newline? |
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| 02:35.47 | bitmonk | i asked a bit earlier, but maybe there are more / different people here: anyone have pointers to docs or list convos or anything regarding dual-stack ipv4/ipv6 host configuration in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 02:35.48 | lewis2 | (varchar field) |
| 02:35.53 | bitmonk | Gnurdux: you mean crapmodobe? ;) |
| 02:36.02 | Gnurdux | oh yeah good point |
| 02:36.09 | Gnurdux | i always still think of it as macromedia |
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| 02:36.44 | bitmonk | actually adobe is helping, they gave the ActionScript JIT to Moz, who seem to be using it for next major rev of Gecko, will simplify things on both ends, since ActionScript and JavaScript are both just ECMAScript. |
| 02:36.50 | Gnurdux | does the flash work in ordinary firefox on Linux, and just not in iceweasel? |
| 02:36.58 | Gnurdux | yeah, that is true |
| 02:37.14 | bitmonk | maybe eventually it won't require a plugin |
| 02:37.17 | lostson | flash works fine in iceweasel |
| 02:37.18 | bitmonk | i have flash working fine on linux firefox |
| 02:37.19 | Gnurdux | they are actually better than most |
| 02:37.22 | bitmonk | haven't tried iceweasel |
| 02:37.34 | Gnurdux | at least they port to linux |
| 02:37.36 | bitmonk | not my favorite company, but eh, they don't seem to want to spend eternity updating fifty browser plugins. |
| 02:37.38 | bitmonk | true enough. |
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| 02:37.52 | Gnurdux | you know, if adobe stopped porting flash to linux it would really endanger the platform |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | Gnurdux: you know about gnash and swfdec right ? |
| 02:38.22 | bitmonk | well, there are f/oss flash with reasonable support. i'm not sure i would call any version of flash10 'working'. |
| 02:38.29 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 02:38.35 | Gnurdux | i suppose they work for "normal" use |
| 02:38.39 | Gnurdux | like youtube videos |
| 02:38.51 | Gnurdux | they dont really play flash games afaik though |
| 02:38.52 | syzygy | okay |
| 02:38.54 | bitmonk | they introduced crazy new stuff like if you send Content-Disposition: attachment for some reason, it just refuses to load the file.. |
| 02:38.57 | syzygy | I did exactly what it said |
| 02:39.00 | syzygy | and I get an error |
| 02:39.27 | abrotman | are you going to share it ? |
| 02:39.56 | Gnurdux | flash also hogs my cpu |
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| 02:40.02 | syzygy | http://pastebin.com/m2d8c045d |
| 02:40.04 | Gnurdux | flash banner ads etc |
| 02:40.13 | Gnurdux | and they can freeze the browser as well as crash it |
| 02:40.17 | syzygy | where do I type the modprobe -r radeon? |
| 02:40.24 | syzygy | it says command not recognized |
| 02:40.27 | Gnurdux | and they can eat memory too |
| 02:40.39 | Gnurdux | flash really just sucks in general and shouldnt exist |
| 02:40.47 | Gnurdux | the web is supposed to be open standard |
| 02:40.50 | abrotman | syzygy: you still did it wrong |
| 02:41.04 | syzygy | story of my life |
| 02:41.07 | abrotman | Gnurdux: then just uninstall it and quit complaining |
| 02:41.14 | syzygy | alright, I will check again |
| 02:41.24 | Gnurdux | unfortunately most web developers disagree with me on that :\ |
| 02:41.35 | x1250 | samba is used also in a linux only network, or should I use another program to share between linux only? |
| 02:41.49 | abrotman | aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:41.49 | abrotman | that's all you need |
| 02:42.41 | syzygy | "you are not root and no replacement directory is specified |
| 02:42.43 | syzygy | " |
| 02:46.13 | syzygy | http://pastebin.com/mb2472c2 |
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| 02:46.19 | syzygy | yeah I get the same error |
| 02:46.43 | bitmonk | Gnurdux: Flash *is* an open standard. Didn't you know? They teach it in college, so it must be. ;) |
| 02:46.49 | Gnurdux | haha |
| 02:47.28 | bitmonk | educate yourself on the principles of design and steal customers from the inept flash developers |
| 02:48.03 | H2S04 | bitmonk, I didn't know there were any capable flash developers. |
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| 02:50.49 | bitmonk | what i mean is that a technically competent person can do better work without flash |
| 02:50.51 | syzygy | abrotman: "you are not root and no replacement directory (-u) is specified" |
| 02:50.54 | bitmonk | but there aren't a lot of us offering to ;) |
| 02:51.06 | syzygy | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/mb2472c2 |
| 02:51.40 | abrotman | syzygy: that doesn't show that error |
| 02:52.04 | syzygy | abrotman: I am aware of that |
| 02:52.10 | syzygy | it pops up |
| 02:52.19 | syzygy | after I do the command you gave me |
| 02:52.21 | abrotman | pops up ? |
| 02:52.25 | syzygy | in terminal |
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| 02:53.30 | keveam_ | Has anyone here been using Amarok 2.0 from experimental? |
| 02:54.01 | karsten | Kvant: No, it's ammyth. |
| 02:54.05 | karsten | !tell keveam_ about ask |
| 02:54.42 | keveam_ | What about ask? |
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| 02:55.06 | karsten | keveam_: dpkg just told you. Just ask your question. |
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| 02:56.16 | keveam_ | karsten: Well, it isn't playing music. Just wondering if anyone else was having this problem. |
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| 03:05.01 | metrix | what is a good command line mail reader? |
| 03:05.16 | abrotman | mutt |
| 03:05.17 | sn0rty | metrix: mutt |
| 03:05.22 | syzygy | abrotman: ? |
| 03:05.29 | metrix | cool |
| 03:05.31 | metrix | thank you |
| 03:05.31 | pickcoder | agrees.. pine is a second option |
| 03:05.42 | abrotman | alpine in debian |
| 03:05.50 | abrotman | syzygy: what? tried restarting the machine ? |
| 03:06.05 | PiousMinion | I just made a new base system with "debootstrap lenny /my/path", but when I call "chroot /my/path /usr/sbin/apt-get install some-package" I get loads of errors about "LOCALES"s. Any idea what I need to install to fix this? |
| 03:07.19 | nvz | locales maybe |
| 03:07.44 | PiousMinion | interesting how I didn't notice that one before. lol |
| 03:07.57 | syzygy | abrotman: brb |
| 03:08.05 | PiousMinion | nvz: thanks |
| 03:08.34 | PiousMinion | nvz: seem to have the same issue even though that package is installed. |
| 03:08.45 | pickcoder | dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 03:09.39 | nvz | that would have been what id suggested if he hadnt asked what he could INSTALL to fix it |
| 03:10.17 | PiousMinion | Well, considering something was missing I assumes an install was required. :P |
| 03:11.00 | nvz | dont assume.. as you can see it doesnt help |
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| 03:15.36 | karsten | metrix: Mutt is the only one worth knowing about. |
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| 03:15.46 | Lagaro | whoops heh |
| 03:16.02 | karsten | metrix: OK, I take it back, there's "sup" but I haven't looked at it, couldn't make it work last time I tried. It's gmail-like, in CLI/ncurses. |
| 03:16.17 | karsten | abrotman: heretic! |
| 03:16.31 | abrotman | i said mutt |
| 03:16.45 | abrotman | at least i didn't say 'elmo' :) |
| 03:16.49 | pickcoder | what's the link to the estimated RC bug count page |
| 03:17.23 | Lagaro | there's a link to it on debian.org/releases |
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| 03:18.55 | pickcoder | I'm talking about the unofficial RC bug count based on those ignored |
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| 03:19.21 | Lagaro | mmm . . . lost that link a whle ago . . . |
| 03:20.33 | scientes | when will multi-arch decome a reality? |
| 03:20.39 | scientes | what can i do? |
| 03:21.04 | Lagaro | multi-arch? doesn't that already exist for amd64/i386? |
| 03:21.11 | pickcoder | found it |
| 03:21.15 | scientes | not really |
| 03:21.24 | Lagaro | pickcoder: what's the link? |
| 03:21.25 | scientes | http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/multiarch/ |
| 03:21.33 | pickcoder | http://blog.schmehl.info/Debian/releasing-lenny-3 |
| 03:21.38 | nvz | you can buy me a beer |
| 03:22.27 | scientes | apt needs to be able to have the same granularity over 32-bit libs in a 64 bit system as 64-bit libs |
| 03:22.28 | pickcoder | nvz: I'd buy you a beer but I already promised stew my beer for adopting a package in the future :-) |
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| 03:22.58 | syzygy | abrotman: it worked, thanks a lot...but why did it work? was it the creation of a module assistant? |
| 03:23.54 | abrotman | syzygy: probably |
| 03:24.28 | Lagaro | scientes: hmmm . . . some interesting ideas in ther |
| 03:24.34 | syzygy | heh, well thanks again...I am not sure I understood the commands at the end of the package prompts (I had all of the packages) |
| 03:25.06 | jsubl2 | anyone using /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi |
| 03:26.06 | Lagaro | scientes: the most major downside would be disk usage for that proposal, I think |
| 03:26.09 | scientes | Lagaro, i believe gcc already supports it |
| 03:26.18 | scientes | Lagaro, but thats only if you use it |
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| 03:26.30 | nsadmin | syzygy: most commands have man pages, if you want, you can at least find out what they do |
| 03:26.35 | scientes | it doesnt use any disk space untile you acyually install the packages |
| 03:26.36 | Lagaro | scientes: entirely possible . . . I don't use most of gcc's features heh |
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| 03:26.56 | scientes | and nothing requires you to even install glibc for any other architectures |
| 03:27.06 | scientes | so the disk space thing is moot |
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| 03:27.26 | scientes | its basically ia32libs but allows you complete control over what is installed |
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| 03:27.48 | scientes | i could see the whole thing benifited by being able to mount 2 folders into one big folder |
| 03:27.58 | Lagaro | scientes: depends on how many arches you're going for, I guess |
| 03:28.02 | Lagaro | scientes: yea |
| 03:28.24 | scientes | but it just says to stil have the /bin folder heterogeneoud which works fine always, that idea is not important |
| 03:28.41 | scientes | but the lib organization is important and we need to go there |
| 03:28.44 | Lagaro | scientes: aye |
| 03:29.14 | scientes | and then gcc and the linkers for any playform that forms library dependancies need to kow how to look in the right place |
| 03:29.15 | parodyoflanguage | Is there a list of gfdl documents that debian has non-free'd? |
| 03:29.22 | scientes | and then apt needs to be expanded |
| 03:29.23 | karsten | abrotman: what's with this alpine sh*t? |
| 03:29.47 | scientes | the first way it could be done is to simply put apt under compadibility for the target architecture mode |
| 03:29.50 | abrotman | karsten: pine redone ? |
| 03:29.52 | abrotman | !alpine |
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| 03:30.05 | abrotman | karsten: it has a wikipedia page |
| 03:30.14 | scientes | and then it will be like having the full 2 systems, ne apt for 32-bit one for 64-bit |
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| 03:30.23 | Lagaro | scientes: mmm . . . yea |
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| 03:30.33 | Panarchy | says Hi |
| 03:30.39 | Panarchy | I'm looking for GTK+-2.0 >= 2.0.0 |
| 03:30.42 | Panarchy | for xhydra |
| 03:30.49 | Panarchy | Does anyone know where I can get a .deb for it? |
| 03:30.55 | scientes | it seems like it could be done not that hard by someone who knows how to do it, it needs to be done |
| 03:31.07 | scientes | as 64-bit people often eed to install 32-bit stuff |
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| 03:31.23 | n-iCe | What's distro/kernel update command? |
| 03:31.25 | scientes | i think something blocking it is that propritary stuff is often 32-bit because its binary |
| 03:31.38 | Lagaro | n-iCe apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:31.44 | scientes | but lesitimate stuff is 32-bit only also like chromium or wine |
| 03:32.13 | Lagaro | Panarchy: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 03:32.22 | scientes | and just endlessly adding to ia32-libs is kinda dumb |
| 03:32.27 | abrotman | n-iCe: man aptitude |
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| 03:32.36 | Lagaro | Panarchy: my Lenny system, here, has 2.12.11-4 |
| 03:32.52 | n-iCe | dist-upgrade! |
| 03:32.52 | n-iCe | thanks |
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| 03:33.03 | n-iCe | Lagaro: thanks |
| 03:33.04 | \amethyst | Panarchy: libgtk2.0-0 for the runtime libraries, libgtk2.0-dev for the development files |
| 03:33.11 | Panarchy | ah |
| 03:33.13 | Panarchy | libgtk |
| 03:33.20 | Panarchy | do I need both? |
| 03:33.23 | syzygy | so...does gnash work for debian (and do you still need ndiswrapper to get it to run?) |
| 03:33.28 | \amethyst | Panarchy: are you compiling something? |
| 03:33.34 | Panarchy | yes |
| 03:33.38 | syzygy | or is flash necessary (despite it's crappiness) |
| 03:33.41 | Lagaro | syzygy: why would you need ndiswrapper for gnash? |
| 03:33.55 | syzygy | Lagaro: will it work without? |
| 03:34.00 | \amethyst | Panarchy: then yes. you need the -dev package to compile, the other one to run the programs. generally the -dev package will depend on the runtime library |
| 03:34.04 | scientes | Lagaro, that page is from 2004, now the problem is MUCH bigger, something needs to be done |
| 03:34.04 | Lagaro | syzygy: it works for me, Sid, updated a few days ago, no ndiswrapper |
| 03:34.22 | Lagaro | scientes: yeah, considering the size of ia32-libs |
| 03:34.23 | \amethyst | scientes: it's 32-bit adobe flash that needs the nspluginwrapper |
| 03:34.26 | \amethyst | oop |
| 03:34.32 | \amethyst | syzygy: it's 32-bit adobe flash that needs the nspluginwrapper |
| 03:34.38 | syzygy | glad I switched |
| 03:34.39 | syzygy | :) |
| 03:34.43 | \amethyst | syzygy: ndiswrapper is something else entirely, for network drivers |
| 03:34.44 | jsubl2 | there is a beta 64bit flash out |
| 03:34.45 | Lagaro | syzygy: no ndiswrapper heh |
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| 03:34.49 | scientes | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.50 | scientes | yeah |
| 03:35.17 | scientes | i think that type of stuff has pulled back interest in multi-arch |
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| 03:35.39 | Panarchy | Wait, \amethyst: Where is it? |
| 03:35.40 | scientes | it would make debian so the way of windows with where x64 really isnt x64 |
| 03:35.46 | Panarchy | I can't find the -dev package |
| 03:35.51 | scientes | for compadibility reasons with binary-only programs |
| 03:35.58 | prxtien | i want to compile a kernel module (tun.ko) for a embedded device with no gcc and no space for gcc, is it possible for me to cross compile that kernel module for different hardware and different kernel version? |
| 03:35.59 | \amethyst | Panarchy: libgtk2.0-dev |
| 03:36.01 | Lagaro | Panarchy: libgtl2.0-dev |
| 03:36.15 | Lagaro | Panarchy: *libgtk2.0-dev, sorry |
| 03:36.33 | Panarchy | Fiybd ut |
| 03:36.35 | Panarchy | Found it |
| 03:36.40 | Lagaro | prxtien: perhaps using an emulator of sorts? |
| 03:36.49 | Panarchy | Was searching wrong packages site |
| 03:37.06 | Lagaro | Panarchy: are you using a webbrowser to download packages? |
| 03:37.24 | syzygy | scientes: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-in-debian-etchlennysid.html like this...? or straight from adobe? |
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| 03:38.34 | scientes | syzygy, just download the .so from adobe |
| 03:38.43 | scientes | thats exactally what the package does |
| 03:38.53 | scientes | because of licencing issues |
| 03:38.59 | Panarchy | Lagaro: Firefox 3 |
| 03:39.12 | Panarchy | Woh woh woh woh, guys, requires the installation of 40 packages |
| 03:39.22 | scientes | syzygy, http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.d21.1.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz |
| 03:39.23 | Panarchy | Can I remove it later, once I've built all the packages that need it? |
| 03:39.33 | \amethyst | Panarchy: yes |
| 03:39.36 | n-iCe | Lagaro: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded., weird, how can I know my kernel version? |
| 03:39.39 | scientes | syzygy, and then go here: http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager04.html and turn off flash cookies |
| 03:39.43 | Panarchy | Oh... well that's okay then |
| 03:39.52 | sajes | n-iCe: uname -r |
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| 03:39.57 | Lagaro | n-iCe: uname -a |
| 03:40.03 | scientes | or just make .abobe folder no execute no noread nowrite |
| 03:40.22 | Lagaro | Panarchy: why not use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 03:40.24 | n-iCe | Lagaro: 2.6.24-1-686, how to upgrade it? |
| 03:40.34 | n-iCe | update-distro used to do it :/ |
| 03:40.47 | Lagaro | n-iCe: well |
| 03:40.50 | \amethyst | n-iCe: are you running etch? |
| 03:40.59 | scientes | Panarchy, those are only -dev packages |
| 03:41.07 | Lagaro | n-iCe: depends if which metapackages you have, and which debian distro |
| 03:41.10 | scientes | Panarchy, that doesnt affect your system just takes disk space |
| 03:41.11 | antiPoP | hi, I have a file owned by root which I need to make accesible for all users. I've tried "chmod a+r file" but when I access the file with other user it says it does nto has permeissions. What I'm doing wrong? |
| 03:41.22 | n-iCe | Lagaro: lenny |
| 03:41.34 | scientes | antiPoP, all the folders above it need to be a+x |
| 03:41.38 | n-iCe | Lagaro: is it good to have the last kernel? |
| 03:41.46 | \amethyst | antiPoP: the user also needs execute permission on the containing directory and all ancestors of that directory |
| 03:41.46 | Lagaro | n-iCe: debatable |
| 03:42.05 | Lagaro | n-iCe; sometimes, yea, because of updated drivers and such |
| 03:42.12 | scientes | n-iCe, and less bugs |
| 03:42.17 | Lagaro | n-iCe: sometimes not, because of updated drivers and such |
| 03:42.24 | scientes | n-iCe, at least the latest of your version |
| 03:42.35 | scientes | n-iCe, meaning latesy lenny, etch etc |
| 03:42.43 | prxtien | Lagaro, do you suggest building a similar system inside vmware to do my compiling? |
| 03:42.47 | antiPoP | [scientes] \amethyst yes, that was the issue, thanks |
| 03:42.48 | scientes | n-iCe, or etch-and half |
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| 03:42.57 | n-iCe | Lagaro: I see, any tuto to update it? or any command guys? |
| 03:43.02 | Lagaro | prxtien: something like that |
| 03:43.17 | Lagaro | n-iCe: aptitude, search for linux-image |
| 03:43.29 | Lagaro | n-iCe: if you don't know the next version |
| 03:43.52 | Lagaro | prxtien: I'm not sure, what platform are you building for? |
| 03:44.07 | \amethyst | n-iCe: if you install linux-image-686 (or linux-image-686-bigmem, linux-image-amd64, etc), that will track the latest version for your release (currently 2.6.26 in lenny) |
| 03:44.16 | Panarchy | Lagaro, scientes: Yes |
| 03:44.36 | craigevil | is there a way to get Slim to autologin like you can with kdm/gdm ? |
| 03:44.37 | prxtien | lagaro, dreambox dm500, ibm powerpc 250mhz |
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| 03:44.42 | Panarchy | Lagaro, scientes: However, I may build my distribution again, in which case It's better to keep my folder Debian Packages |
| 03:44.43 | n-iCe | wow, a lot appeared, how to know which one? |
| 03:44.54 | n-iCe | I mean, I know it isn't amd, I am in 32 |
| 03:45.04 | Panarchy | YAY Finished downloading |
| 03:45.05 | Lagaro | n-iCe: install linux-image-2.6.26 |
| 03:45.09 | scientes | Panarchy, those are debian packages |
| 03:45.12 | Lagaro | n-iCe:I think |
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| 03:45.17 | scientes | Panarchy, all developers have those installed |
| 03:45.32 | scientes | Panarchy, its just a disk issue and bandwidth issue |
| 03:45.33 | Panarchy | scientes: I mean, all debian packages I download the .deb and put it into a folder |
| 03:45.42 | Panarchy | as I'm making my own distribution |
| 03:45.42 | \amethyst | craigevil: looking at the docs, it doesn't appear so |
| 03:45.43 | scientes | Panarchy, that happens for you |
| 03:45.45 | n-iCe | Lagaro: http://asdasdads.pastebin.com/m3ff6c72f |
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| 03:45.49 | Panarchy | So I have about 70 .deb packages |
| 03:45.49 | Lagaro | n-iCe: either that, or linux-image-2.6 to always get the latest version |
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| 03:46.04 | scientes | Panarchy, you dont have to do that manually, you can also install apt-cache which does that for you for multiple computers |
| 03:46.05 | \amethyst | craigevil: you can have it automatically enter the user name with default_user, but you still need to enter the password |
| 03:46.07 | Lagaro | n-iCe: using a console client, no cut-and-paste, hang on |
| 03:46.07 | scientes | apt-cacher is really cook |
| 03:46.09 | cryptnix | hmm, whats a good site for population density |
| 03:46.09 | craigevil | darn , switch to slim on my eee so i could get rid of kde, oh well no biggie thanks |
| 03:46.18 | cryptnix | lookups* |
| 03:46.19 | n-iCe | Lagaro: sure, thanks! |
| 03:46.51 | scientes | Panarchy, apt-cacher can also work for just 1 computer go install it then you dont have to do things manually |
| 03:46.53 | craigevil | \amethyst: yeah i have the default username already set |
| 03:47.03 | Panarchy | scientes:: Well my database is already finished... so yeah |
| 03:47.27 | Panarchy | I need help again. Well I have installed it, but hydra still can't compile xhydra |
| 03:47.30 | Panarchy | Some help please |
| 03:47.54 | scientes | Panarchy, cant you help yourself? try google |
| 03:48.29 | \amethyst | Panarchy: there should be documentation about what libraries you need to compile. you'll need a -dev package for each of those |
| 03:48.35 | scientes | n-iCe, Lagaro but does linux-image-2.6 detect your sub-architecture? |
| 03:48.47 | Panarchy | scientes: here's the error I'm getting http://pastebin.com/m158fc9f8 |
| 03:48.54 | Panarchy | Here's the error I'm getting http://pastebin.com/m158fc9f8 |
| 03:49.05 | n-iCe | this guys? http://asdasdad.pastebin.com/m7d095a38 |
| 03:49.05 | Panarchy | Here's the error I'm getting http://pastebin.com/m158fc9f8 | Please help me install xhydra! |
| 03:49.06 | Lagaro | scientes: not certain . . . it installs 'best-candidate' of all the available 2.6 kernels |
| 03:49.54 | \amethyst | Panarchy: perhaps you could ask the hydra developers |
| 03:50.03 | Lagaro | hang on, people, I'm gonna switch to using screen |
| 03:50.03 | \amethyst | Panarchy: at least some of those look like bugs in their code |
| 03:50.35 | Panarchy | oh |
| 03:50.42 | Panarchy | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 03:50.47 | Panarchy | Would they be hard to fix? |
| 03:50.49 | Panarchy | (for me) |
| 03:51.05 | scientes | Panarchy, try apt-get bulid-dep $PACKAGE |
| 03:51.16 | \amethyst | this isn't a package AFAICT |
| 03:51.24 | Panarchy | Yeah, this is from a tar.gz |
| 03:51.38 | scientes | Panarchy, then go to the developers, it isnt debian |
| 03:51.50 | scientes | Panarchy, and google is your friend |
| 03:52.08 | Panarchy | But I'm using a debian based distribution |
| 03:52.23 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
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| 03:52.46 | n-iCe | scientes: which one would you install? |
| 03:53.02 | scientes | Panarchy, repeat after me "debian is not windows" |
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| 03:53.15 | n-iCe | What's windows? |
| 03:53.19 | craigevil | !debian based |
| 03:53.19 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 03:53.21 | \amethyst | Panarchy: here's one patch http://hardened.gentooexperimental.org/trac/secure/attachment/ticket/29/hydra-open_missing_mode.patch |
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| 03:54.15 | craigevil | n-iCe: windows are those things you open to let air in :) |
| 03:54.42 | simonrvn | stays out of it, he's tired and liable to be snarky |
| 03:55.17 | Panarchy | x \amethyst: Thanks! I'll give that a go |
| 03:55.20 | stew | liable: to be snarky, plz |
| 03:55.23 | scientes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:55.39 | n-iCe | Lagaro: :) |
| 03:55.45 | n-iCe | Welcome Back. |
| 03:55.48 | Lagaro | n-iCe: sorry heh, thanks |
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| 03:58.10 | scientes | n-iCe, you might want to install linux-image-686 |
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| 03:58.25 | simonrvn | stew: hehe |
| 03:58.35 | Lagaro | scientes: probably a good idea, yes |
| 03:58.40 | simonrvn | stew: i thought of him when i wrote that :) |
| 03:58.51 | Lagaro | scientes, n-iCe: that way it doesn't consider 486 kernels at all |
| 03:59.08 | scientes | n-iCe, or for 64-bit processor linux-image-amd64 |
| 03:59.16 | n-iCe | I use 32bit |
| 03:59.26 | n-iCe | By the way, what happened with linux-uvc-source package! |
| 03:59.26 | scientes | guess there isnt a -emt64 /-amd64 specific kernel |
| 03:59.30 | Panarchy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:59.44 | Lagaro | n-iCe: you'll want 686, then, unless you're using a pentium I |
| 03:59.45 | scientes | n-iCe, but if you hardware supports it you can use a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit software playform |
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| 04:00.05 | n-iCe | How can I know if my machine supports a 64bits? |
| 04:00.12 | Lagaro | scientes: what else besides core 2s supports that? |
| 04:00.14 | n-iCe | Centrino duo |
| 04:00.22 | n-iCe | core 2 duo |
| 04:00.30 | scientes | amd64-two, opteron, phenom |
| 04:00.33 | Lagaro | n-iCe: you'll want a 64 bit kernel then |
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| 04:00.39 | n-iCe | apt-get install linux-uvc-source |
| 04:00.41 | scientes | no |
| 04:00.48 | n-iCe | Lagaro: can I install a 64bits Debian version?! |
| 04:00.50 | scientes | some core duos are 32-bit only so you need to check |
| 04:00.53 | Lagaro | n-iCe: I have a centrinno duo, and I run amd64, yea |
| 04:00.58 | n-iCe | o.O |
| 04:01.01 | n-iCe | HOw much ram do you have? |
| 04:01.02 | scientes | iintel was way behind amd on 64-bit |
| 04:01.07 | Lagaro | n-iCe: 3GB |
| 04:01.11 | n-iCe | I have 2 |
| 04:01.17 | Lagaro | scientes: yea |
| 04:01.20 | n-iCe | Should I keep 32 or change it? |
| 04:01.29 | Lagaro | n-iCe: more than enough for 64 . . . |
| 04:01.33 | n-iCe | o.O |
| 04:01.37 | Lagaro | n-iCe: not much of a speed difference |
| 04:01.42 | n-iCe | a |
| 04:01.43 | n-iCe | ah |
| 04:01.48 | Lagaro | n-iCe: if you're doing 3D modelling, then do it |
| 04:01.54 | Lagaro | n-iCe: for a desktop machine, don't bother |
| 04:01.57 | pickcoder | a lot less applications available in 64-bit |
| 04:02.01 | n-iCe | Ok, now the problem is, my webcam! this used to install it! linux-uvc-source |
| 04:02.02 | stew | intel had a 64 bit processor out a few years before amd |
| 04:02.03 | pickcoder | but you can run the compat libs |
| 04:02.03 | Lagaro | pickcoder: yea |
| 04:02.11 | n-iCe | Bus 006 Device 002: ID 04f2:b012 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd 1.3 MPixel UVC webcam |
| 04:02.22 | pickcoder | UVC... |
| 04:02.23 | scientes | n-iCe, cat /prob/cpuingo | grep LM |
| 04:02.31 | scientes | n-iCe, cat /prob/cpuingo | grep lm ** |
| 04:02.32 | Lagaro | n-iCe: what does m-a a-i uvc-source do? |
| 04:02.39 | Lagaro | scientes: cpuinfo |
| 04:02.41 | n-iCe | cat: /prob/cpuingo: No such file or directory |
| 04:02.47 | scientes | whops |
| 04:02.50 | Lagaro | n-iCe: cpuinfo |
| 04:02.51 | scientes | n-iCe, cat /prob/cpuinfo | grep lm ** |
| 04:02.55 | scientes | n-iCe, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep lm ** |
| 04:02.57 | pickcoder | I just had a fun time trying to get a QuickCam 5000 Pro to work |
| 04:02.58 | scientes | typo alley |
| 04:03.01 | n-iCe | cat: /prob/cpuinfo: No such file or directory |
| 04:03.11 | scientes | use the last one |
| 04:03.20 | Lagaro | scientes: start typing more accurately heh :P |
| 04:03.24 | n-iCe | i used it |
| 04:03.29 | n-iCe | debian:/home/torroella# cat /prob/cpuinfo | grep lm ** |
| 04:03.30 | n-iCe | cat: /prob/cpuinfo: No such file or directory |
| 04:03.30 | scientes | what did it say? |
| 04:03.39 | n-iCe | wait |
| 04:03.40 | scientes | no the last last one |
| 04:03.46 | n-iCe | debian:/home/torroella# cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep lm ** |
| 04:03.47 | n-iCe | debian:/home/torroella# |
| 04:03.48 | n-iCe | nothing |
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| 04:03.56 | Panarchy | Hello |
| 04:03.58 | scientes | ok then your cpu doesnt support it |
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| 04:04.09 | n-iCe | this is what I used to do and worked: install linux-uvc-source , apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i linux-uvc && modprobe linux-uvc |
| 04:04.13 | n-iCe | But isn't working anymore. |
| 04:04.19 | Lagaro | n-iCe: what happens? |
| 04:04.19 | n-iCe | scientes: does't support what? amd64? |
| 04:04.23 | scientes | yes |
| 04:04.27 | n-iCe | Lagaro: the package doesn't exist anymore! |
| 04:04.33 | n-iCe | this one linux-uvc-source |
| 04:04.45 | Lagaro | n-iCe: what does apt-cache search uvc turn up? |
| 04:04.55 | n-iCe | luvcview - USB Video Class grabber |
| 04:04.55 | n-iCe | uvccapture - USB UVC Video Class snapshot software |
| 04:05.21 | Lagaro | n-iCe: perhaps it's built-in to the new kernels? |
| 04:05.33 | n-iCe | Lagaro: don't know |
| 04:05.38 | n-iCe | Will upgrade then |
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| 04:06.00 | n-iCe | linux-image-686 then? |
| 04:06.03 | Lagaro | n-iCe: get yourself a linux-image-2.6.26-X-686 kernel |
| 04:06.06 | Lagaro | n-iCe: aye |
| 04:06.11 | n-iCe | aye, yes? |
| 04:06.12 | n-iCe | :)) |
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| 04:06.17 | Lagaro | n-iCe: aye :D |
| 04:06.35 | corey_ | hello, i need a repository with the newest versions php |
| 04:06.38 | corey_ | can yu help me? |
| 04:06.46 | Lagaro | corey_: depends |
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| 04:06.56 | lolufail | hi |
| 04:07.03 | n-iCe | wow, done, was fast! |
| 04:07.03 | Lagaro | corey_: archives should have decent versions of PHP already |
| 04:07.14 | Lagaro | corey_: what version do you want? |
| 04:07.25 | Lagaro | n-iCe: installed a new image that quickly? lol |
| 04:07.31 | lolufail | how much can a sysadmin for debian rootserver usually charge? stuff like installing confixx, setting up vpn, squid, apache, so on...? |
| 04:07.32 | n-iCe | now? |
| 04:07.32 | n-iCe | Setting up linux-image-686 (2.6.26+17) ... |
| 04:07.33 | n-iCe | and ended |
| 04:07.35 | corey_ | i need 5.2.8 od 5.2.7 |
| 04:07.40 | pickcoder | n-iCe: what version of Debian |
| 04:07.50 | n-iCe | Lagaro: :/ |
| 04:07.59 | Lagaro | n-iCe: perfect |
| 04:08.04 | corey_ | Lagaro: i need 5.2.8 od 5.2.7 |
| 04:08.10 | Lagaro | n-iCe: check your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:08.10 | corey_ | od == or |
| 04:08.18 | Lagaro | corey_: mmm |
| 04:08.42 | Lagaro | corey_: I have 5.2.6 on Lenny |
| 04:08.47 | n-iCe | titleDebian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 04:08.49 | stew | corey_: what do you need from 5.2.7 which isn't available in 5.2.6? |
| 04:08.51 | Lagaro | corey_ pull in php from Sid I suppose |
| 04:09.00 | Lagaro | n-iCe: just reboot now, then :P |
| 04:09.04 | n-iCe | Lagaro: ok, brb. |
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| 04:09.53 | corey_ | stew: i have a problem with segmentation fault for pdo connections |
| 04:10.19 | stew | corey_: is there a bug filed about it? |
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| 04:10.49 | corey_ | yes |
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| 04:11.02 | n-iCe | :) |
| 04:11.08 | stew | corey_: what is the bug#? |
| 04:11.10 | n-iCe | uname -r |
| 04:11.10 | n-iCe | 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 04:11.39 | Lagaro | n-iCe: it works, then? |
| 04:11.45 | n-iCe | yeah, was pretty fast |
| 04:11.50 | Lagaro | n-iCe: try your webcam |
| 04:11.54 | n-iCe | no way |
| 04:11.56 | n-iCe | hugs Lagaro |
| 04:11.57 | Lagaro | n-iCe: see if it's builtin |
| 04:12.11 | corey_ | bug is connection to database using pdo - run script.php as cli |
| 04:12.31 | n-iCe | Lagaro: thank you, worked! |
| 04:12.38 | stew | corey_: which package is the bug filed against? |
| 04:12.41 | Lagaro | n-iCe: heh, glad to help out :) |
| 04:12.51 | Lagaro | n-iCe: any other major problems bugging you? :P |
| 04:13.19 | n-iCe | Lagaro: one, nobody couldn't solve it years ago |
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| 04:13.39 | Lagaro | n-iCe: and that is? (no promises) |
| 04:13.40 | n-iCe | And after upgrade the kernel is still there :p |
| 04:13.45 | Lagaro | n-iCe: lol |
| 04:13.57 | n-iCe | Lagaro: I know is not really a problem at all, my bright, doesn't change while I am in Debian, changes after boot it. |
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| 04:14.07 | n-iCe | the applets seems to change, but it doesn't change it. |
| 04:14.25 | Lagaro | n-iCe: try echoing values into /sys/class/backlight/<tab>/brightness |
| 04:14.53 | n-iCe | that will change it, maybe, but will the applet works? |
| 04:15.01 | Lagaro | n-iCe: no idea |
| 04:15.11 | Lagaro | n-iCe: see if the interface works, period |
| 04:15.17 | n-iCe | Don't think so :p |
| 04:15.20 | Lagaro | n-iCe: then work on getting the applet to work :) |
| 04:15.25 | n-iCe | is not a problem at all, I can survive with it |
| 04:15.40 | Lagaro | n-iCe: what happens when you echo "1" into .../brightess? |
| 04:15.55 | n-iCe | the thing is, don't know what you mean with echo :p >.< |
| 04:16.00 | Lagaro | n-iCe: lol |
| 04:16.03 | Lagaro | n-iCe: for me |
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| 04:16.22 | Lagaro | n-iCe: it's echo "<backlight percentage>" > /sys/class/baclight/olpc-dcon/brightness |
| 04:16.41 | n-iCe | echo "1" > /sys/class/baclight/olpc-dcon/brightness |
| 04:16.44 | n-iCe | example? |
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| 04:16.55 | Lagaro | n-iCe: that's mine (backlight, not baclight, sorry) |
| 04:16.58 | n-iCe | under baclight I have: acpi_video0 acpi_video1 |
| 04:17.06 | Lagaro | n-iCe: use acpi_video0 |
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| 04:17.27 | Lagaro | n-iCe: the value should be between 0 and 9 |
| 04:17.28 | Panarchy | found something |
| 04:17.35 | Lagaro | wonders what Panarchy found |
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| 04:17.38 | corey_ | stew: http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=46274 |
| 04:17.43 | Panarchy | I found precompiled THC-Hydra on launchpad |
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| 04:17.47 | sazpaimon | so I installed the madwifi drivers and modprobed it, but I'm still not detecting my expresscard |
| 04:17.50 | Lagaro | well, there ya are |
| 04:17.58 | Panarchy | found precompiled THC-Hydra on launchpad |
| 04:18.14 | n-iCe | /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness |
| 04:18.15 | sazpaimon | I'm using the package found here: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/madwifi |
| 04:18.15 | Lagaro | reminds Panarchy to try Google first |
| 04:18.22 | Lagaro | n-iCe: aye |
| 04:18.34 | Panarchy | found http://launchpad.net/~hydra-packages/+archive/ppa |
| 04:18.51 | Lagaro | n-iCe: go 'echo 5 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness' |
| 04:18.57 | Panarchy | added it to sources.list |
| 04:19.01 | Panarchy | I did sudo apt-get update |
| 04:19.01 | Lagaro | n-iCe: and see what happens heh |
| 04:19.02 | corey_ | stew: http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php |
| 04:19.12 | corey_ | stew: look at there |
| 04:19.13 | Panarchy | But it still couldn't find hydra |
| 04:19.13 | n-iCe | no way |
| 04:19.15 | n-iCe | WORKED |
| 04:19.16 | Panarchy | or gtk-hydra |
| 04:19.19 | Panarchy | ARGHHH |
| 04:19.20 | Lagaro | n-iCe: heh |
| 04:19.20 | stew | corey_: is the bug also filed with debian? |
| 04:19.32 | Lagaro | n-iCe: so . . . |
| 04:19.33 | n-iCe | Lagaro: I used 1, and now is dark |
| 04:19.34 | n-iCe | lol |
| 04:19.38 | sazpaimon | I even tried compiling the latest madwifi drivers off of the svn, and modprobing them, but still nothing |
| 04:19.38 | Lagaro | n-iCe: lol |
| 04:19.46 | Lagaro | n-iCe: cat max_brightness |
| 04:19.52 | n-iCe | :< |
| 04:19.53 | n-iCe | echo "8" > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness |
| 04:19.56 | n-iCe | 8 doesn't work |
| 04:20.00 | corey_ | stew: should |
| 04:20.08 | Lagaro | n-iCe: well, see what the maximum level is heh |
| 04:20.10 | n-iCe | 7 did it back to normal |
| 04:20.17 | Lagaro | n-iCe: well, there ya are |
| 04:20.23 | Lagaro | n-iCe: you've got a few options |
| 04:20.31 | Lagaro | n-iCe: you can set up a set of wrapper scripts |
| 04:20.39 | Panarchy | asks if anyone can find the .deb packages on this page http://launchpad.net/~hydra-packages/+archive/ppa |
| 04:20.49 | sazpaimon | my card is listed as supported here: http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Compatibility/D-Link#DWA-643 |
| 04:20.50 | Lagaro | n-iCe: or you can attempt to get a graphical applet working |
| 04:20.51 | stew | corey_: is php5-curl installed? |
| 04:20.59 | stew | corey_: what do you mean by "should"? |
| 04:21.01 | n-iCe | Lagaro: applet!! |
| 04:21.01 | sazpaimon | what do I need to do other than compile. install and modprobe it |
| 04:21.03 | sazpaimon | :/ |
| 04:21.10 | n-iCe | where can I read the applet configuration? |
| 04:21.10 | Panarchy | Can someone please help me find the .deb packages on this page http://launchpad.net/~hydra-packages/+archive/ppa |
| 04:21.18 | Lagaro | n-iCe: hang on |
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| 04:21.26 | n-iCe | :))))))) |
| 04:21.29 | Lagaro | Pnarchy: checking |
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| 04:21.36 | Panarchy | Thanks Lagaro |
| 04:21.56 | corey_ | stew: i mean, i think should be |
| 04:22.01 | Lagaro | n-iCe: what applet are you using? |
| 04:22.31 | stew | corey_: i agree that it should, that's why I'm asking, so that I can get you to file the bug if it hasn't already been filed |
| 04:23.23 | corey_ | ok, so i'm waiting |
| 04:23.32 | stew | corey_: what are you waiting for? |
| 04:23.36 | Lagaro | n-iCe: hmm? |
| 04:23.49 | Lagaro | n-iCe: kpowersave? gnome-power-manager? |
| 04:24.20 | Lagaro | Panarchy: no idea. . . |
| 04:24.24 | Panarchy | Can someone please help me find the .deb package(s) on this page http://launchpad.net/~hydra-packages/+archive/ppa ? Thanks in advance. |
| 04:24.29 | corey_ | stew: sory, i didn't understand you |
| 04:24.30 | Panarchy | Lagaro: I know what you mean |
| 04:24.38 | Lagaro | Panarchy: those are Ubuntu packages, BTW |
| 04:24.54 | Lagaro | Panarchy: what's wrong with compiling from source again? |
| 04:24.59 | corey_ | stew: is it mean that i can't get a package 5.2.7 as deb ? |
| 04:25.27 | Lagaro | goes AFK to grab a drink |
| 04:25.47 | n-iCe | uhm |
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| 04:26.02 | corey_ | 05:22 < stew> corey_: i agree that it should, that's why I'm asking, so that I can get you to file the bug if it hasn't already been filed |
| 04:26.08 | corey_ | ups, sory |
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| 04:26.32 | Panarchy | Lagaro: Kept getting errors with xhydra |
| 04:26.34 | n-iCe | Lagaro: Power Manager Brightness Applet 2.22.1 |
| 04:26.45 | Panarchy | Lagaro: Kept getting errors with xhydra, even with the fix posted, was getting various other errors. |
| 04:26.47 | stew | corey_: is this bug filed in the debian bug tracking system? |
| 04:26.47 | n-iCe | Lagaro: keys don't work either, shorcuts |
| 04:26.53 | Lagaro | is back |
| 04:27.00 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mmm. . . odd |
| 04:27.08 | Lagaro | n-iCe: what computer do you have? |
| 04:27.25 | n-iCe | gateway mx6901m |
| 04:27.29 | Lagaro | Panarchy: heh . . . no idea, sorry |
| 04:27.30 | n-iCe | laptop |
| 04:27.40 | Lagaro | n-iCe: yeah, figured on the laptop part |
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| 04:27.45 | stew | corey_: debian has not released a 5.2.7 package of php. its possible that the debian php maintainer could backport a fix for this problem to a current version of debian, but only if they actually know about this bug |
| 04:27.57 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mmm. . . . GNOME, KDE, or otherwise? |
| 04:28.00 | stew | corey_: and they way to let them know about this bug is by filing it in the debian bug tracking system |
| 04:28.00 | n-iCe | GNOME |
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| 04:28.15 | Lagaro | n-iCe: figured heh |
| 04:28.41 | Lagaro | n-iCe: well . . . go to System->Configuration->Keyboard |
| 04:28.49 | sazpaimon | ok i guess i'll ask some other time when this place isnt as busy |
| 04:28.56 | Lagaro | n-iCe: there may be something about "increase screen brightness" |
| 04:29.04 | Lagaro | n-iCe: in the shortcuts list |
| 04:29.07 | sazpaimon | do i need to install any special drivers to get my expresscard slot working or something |
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| 04:29.30 | Lagaro | is going to reboot, updates finished, back in a moment |
| 04:29.31 | karsten | has no idea what an expresscard is. |
| 04:29.31 | pickcoder | sazpaimon: does it show in lspci? |
| 04:29.42 | syzygy | sazpaimon: you cannot enable it in GRUb? |
| 04:29.47 | syzygy | er bios |
| 04:29.50 | beardy | A very very quick one, with oil on. |
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| 04:30.25 | sazpaimon | pickcoder, i don't see anything regarding pcmcia and/or expresscard |
| 04:30.32 | nsadmin | a quick oily brain? |
| 04:30.34 | syzygy | weird |
| 04:30.35 | beardy | PCI-E I suppose. |
| 04:30.52 | Panarchy | Lagaro: Well thanks anyways |
| 04:31.05 | Panarchy | Maybe if I could just get some help in compiling thc-hydra |
| 04:31.06 | Panarchy | Here are the (latest) errors that I am getting once I have succeeded with ./configure on thc-hydra 5.4 (this is after typing make): http://pastebin.com/m11fe95bc |
| 04:31.08 | beardy | nsadmin: Very oily.. |
| 04:31.18 | syzygy | what good software is there for hp scanners? xsane? |
| 04:31.29 | nsadmin | if it oily had a brain,,, |
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| 04:31.38 | beardy | !sane |
| 04:31.38 | dpkg | it has been said that sane is Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning... easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ and #sane at irc.freenode.net |
| 04:31.50 | pickcoder | sazpaimon: madwifi in Etch is 0.9.2 |
| 04:32.11 | pickcoder | it doesn't even work with 0.9.4 |
| 04:32.17 | pickcoder | only with the current source from SVN |
| 04:32.20 | pickcoder | read the page |
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| 04:32.53 | Lagaro | is back |
| 04:32.53 | sazpaimon | pickcoder, I did, and i clearly said i installed SVN |
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| 04:33.03 | n-iCe | Lagaro: wb |
| 04:33.11 | sazpaimon | <sazpaimon> I even tried compiling the latest madwifi drivers off of the svn, and modprobing them, but still nothing |
| 04:33.23 | n-iCe | Lagaro: the shortcut works, I mean when I press the keys appears the applet like changing, but it doesn't changes |
| 04:33.30 | pickcoder | I just saw that I didn't scroll back far enough |
| 04:33.32 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mmmm . . . |
| 04:33.42 | Lagaro | n-iCe: hang on, lemme grab my laptop |
| 04:33.51 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 04:34.03 | sazpaimon | pickcoder, but i really dont know if my expresscard slot is being detected |
| 04:34.18 | pickcoder | maybe not |
| 04:34.19 | sazpaimon | what handles it in debian, the pcmciautils? |
| 04:34.25 | pickcoder | I don't know much about pc express |
| 04:34.33 | Panarchy | Here are the (latest) errors that I am getting once I have succeeded with ./configure on thc-hydra 5.4 (this is after typing make): http://pastebin.com/m11fe95bc |
| 04:34.37 | pickcoder | I thought it was handled like PCI-E |
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| 04:34.53 | beardy | is lost now. |
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| 04:35.29 | sazpaimon | pickcoder, i wouldnt know |
| 04:35.43 | rage | Is there a way I can detect if my web traffic is getting routed through a transparent proxy? |
| 04:36.10 | corey_ | stew: I have to tnx you. Your questions help me more understend problem. I found a solusion. |
| 04:36.18 | rage | Both I and the proxy are behind a NAT, so simply asking a remote server for me IP will not work |
| 04:36.31 | sazpaimon | well i guess good to know that my expresscard slot doesnt work |
| 04:36.38 | sazpaimon | i guess i'll try running aircrack on windows |
| 04:37.19 | rage | Oddly enough I found a windows tool called TCP trace that I can use to traceroute with syn instead of icmp, but I cannot find a Debian equivilant |
| 04:37.27 | pickcoder | sazpaimon: I would try the pcmciautils |
| 04:37.36 | Lagaro | n-iCe: odd |
| 04:37.38 | \amethyst | rage: tcptraceroute |
| 04:37.49 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mine works perfectly heh, never used to |
| 04:37.51 | sazpaimon | pickcoder, I did: No PCMCIA bridge module specified failed! |
| 04:37.56 | pickcoder | hm |
| 04:37.58 | sazpaimon | i dont know if I need to feed it anything |
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| 04:38.21 | rage | \amethyst: Ta |
| 04:38.24 | Tramp | rage: surprisingly enough, in linux it's called "tcptraceroute" |
| 04:38.57 | beardy | rage: 'apt-cache search tcp trace' how were you able not to. |
| 04:39.24 | pickcoder | is there a cardbus bridge in lspci |
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| 04:39.48 | Lagaro | n-iCe: go 'lshal |less', and search for 'backlight' |
| 04:40.08 | rage | I came accross tcptrace - Tool for analyzing tcpdump output |
| 04:40.22 | sazpaimon | ok so yeah, i'll just do aircrack in windows |
| 04:40.23 | rage | Didnt see the result below, thanks :-) I feel sheepish |
| 04:40.25 | sazpaimon | what a downer |
| 04:40.26 | sazpaimon | but whatever |
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| 04:40.49 | sazpaimon | spending $80 on this card only to have it be not supported |
| 04:41.00 | Lagaro | is going to check if metalforge is up yet |
| 04:41.04 | batman_ramirez | is there a good chat client for hotmail accounts for debian gnome besides pidgin |
| 04:41.13 | batman_ramirez | and kopete |
| 04:41.15 | batman_ramirez | and amsn |
| 04:41.16 | n-iCe | Lagaro: how can I search a text there? |
| 04:41.16 | pickcoder | sazpaimon: it very well could be. apparently no one is familiar with setting up expresscard hardware |
| 04:41.18 | pipeline | batman_ramirez: not really |
| 04:41.23 | Lagaro | n- |
| 04:41.23 | pipeline | batman_ramirez: centericq :D |
| 04:41.24 | pickcoder | is there a cardbus bridge shown in lspci? |
| 04:41.33 | Lagaro | n-iCe: slash does the trick |
| 04:41.35 | batman_ramirez | but supports webcam? |
| 04:41.54 | n-iCe | Ok I got some Lagaro :) |
| 04:42.01 | sazpaimon | pickcoder, good to know that after the fact |
| 04:42.02 | sazpaimon | :/ |
| 04:42.25 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mmm alright |
| 04:42.29 | nsadmin | batman_ramirez: how many times are you going to change the requirements? you should be on a paid contract :P |
| 04:42.34 | pickcoder | sazpaimon: you still haven't answered my question |
| 04:42.37 | Lagaro | n-iCe: what access method does acpi_video0 have? |
| 04:43.17 | n-iCe | Lagaro: uhm |
| 04:43.29 | batman_ramirez | all the questions came to my mind separately |
| 04:43.31 | n-iCe | linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/backlight/acpi_video1' (string) |
| 04:43.36 | n-iCe | that? :) |
| 04:43.39 | sazpaimon | pickcoder, i'm not seeing it |
| 04:43.42 | Lagaro | n-iCe: heh, no. . . hang on |
| 04:43.45 | sazpaimon | http://pastebin.com/f347443d8 see for yourself |
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| 04:43.52 | batman_ramirez | does that word exist..aarg |
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| 04:44.06 | ozatomic | just wondering is anyone else getting 101 Network is unreachable for ftp.au.debian.org |
| 04:44.06 | Lagaro | n-iCe: laptop_panel.access_method = ? |
| 04:44.08 | pickcoder | LPC bridge? |
| 04:44.34 | n-iCe | here you go Lagaro http://asdasdasdasdasd.pastebin.com/m362dd7af |
| 04:44.35 | n-iCe | :)) |
| 04:44.47 | sazpaimon | pickcoder, no, no LPC bridge, check my paste |
| 04:44.48 | Lagaro | n-iCe: hang on heh |
| 04:44.57 | pickcoder | hm |
| 04:44.57 | Lagaro | ozatomic: can't ping it |
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| 04:45.18 | batman_ramirez | centericq hahha was text based.. just like msncp.... i just need somethin to get the webcam works |
| 04:45.41 | pickcoder | sazpaimon: try this : modprobe pciehp pciehp_force=1 |
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| 04:46.42 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mmm . . . looks good |
| 04:47.01 | sazpaimon | pickcoder, if something was supposed to happen then it didnt do its job |
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| 04:47.10 | sazpaimon | lspci hasnt changed either |
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| 04:47.21 | Lagaro | n-iCe: well, there's nothing wrong w/the HAL interface to the backlight |
| 04:47.25 | pickcoder | then your expresscard reader isn't being detected |
| 04:47.42 | n-iCe | Lagaro: damn |
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| 04:47.58 | Lagaro | n-iCe: which means . . . mmm |
| 04:48.04 | sazpaimon | pickcoder, i guess not |
| 04:48.10 | sazpaimon | well, windows it is then |
| 04:48.12 | Lagaro | n-iCe: wrapper scripts FTM, I guess |
| 04:48.21 | sazpaimon | thanks for trying |
| 04:48.58 | pickcoder | sazpaimon: what kind of machine is this? |
| 04:49.14 | faffi | Hello, i;m trying to use my lenny net install cd I burned on my new desktop using an intel 82566 nic, all my research shows that the nic requires the e1000 driver which isnt autodetected by the installer and when prompted with the driver list for nics selecting e1000 doesnt work it just kicks me back to the list |
| 04:49.15 | sazpaimon | MSI GX-630 laptop |
| 04:49.18 | n-iCe | Lagaro: sounds complicated |
| 04:49.29 | Lagaro | faffi: mmm |
| 04:49.45 | Lagaro | faffi: just do a base netinstall |
| 04:49.54 | Lagaro | faffi: then hit 'modprobe e1000' |
| 04:50.01 | Lagaro | n-iCe: not really heh |
| 04:50.08 | faffi | Lagaro: whats a base netinstall? like skip the nic part? |
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| 04:50.16 | faffi | or rather the network detection |
| 04:50.20 | Lagaro | faffi: aye, just skip netconfig |
| 04:50.24 | faffi | hm ok |
| 04:50.31 | Lagaro | faffi: you can do that later |
| 04:50.45 | n-iCe | Lagaro: what do you recommend me to do? |
| 04:50.46 | Lagaro | n-iCe: here's mine from this computer |
| 04:50.52 | nsadmin | everything necessary to install the base is on the netinst cd |
| 04:51.21 | Lagaro | echo "1" > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0 for backlight1.sh |
| 04:51.26 | Lagaro | n-iCe: etc |
| 04:51.28 | Lagaro | n-iCe: but |
| 04:51.33 | faffi | ok, so I can install the base system then try to modprobe the driver and go back to confguring the network and doing the rest of the install? |
| 04:51.37 | Lagaro | n-iCe: I'm on a console 98% of the time |
| 04:51.45 | Lagaro | faffi: aye |
| 04:51.56 | Lagaro | n-iCe: are you mostly a GUI user? |
| 04:52.10 | n-iCe | Lagaro: uhm, yes |
| 04:52.22 | Lagaro | n-iCe: file a bugreport eventually |
| 04:52.28 | Lagaro | n-iCe: but for now . . . |
| 04:52.50 | Lagaro | n-iCe: just create a three scripts that set the backlight to 1, 4, and 7 |
| 04:52.51 | faffi | ok, one more question, I want to setup LVM with encryption and my drive has already been erased by the installer (took about 2 days) but the installer crashed, is there a way i can have it to guided partitioning with encrypted LVM and skip the hard drive erasing part |
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| 04:53.31 | Lagaro | n-iCe: just something like: |
| 04:53.37 | Lagaro | n-iCe: #!/bin/sh |
| 04:53.52 | Lagaro | n-iCe: echo 1 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness |
| 04:54.05 | Lagaro | n-iCe: and repeat for 4 and 7 |
| 04:54.08 | pickcoder | sazpaimon: are you sure the slot's enabled? |
| 04:54.12 | n-iCe | and to run it? Lagaro |
| 04:54.28 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mmm . . . first chmod +x the file |
| 04:54.28 | pickcoder | sazpaimon: and which release of Debian are you running |
| 04:54.38 | n-iCe | ok |
| 04:54.40 | Lagaro | n-iCe: then ./<filename> from a terminal |
| 04:54.52 | n-iCe | thank you |
| 04:54.55 | Lagaro | n-iCe: may have to be as root to do it :| |
| 04:55.12 | Lagaro | n-iCe: but you've lived w/no backlight control for a while :P |
| 04:55.21 | Lagaro | n-iCe: but do file a bugreport |
| 04:55.29 | Lagaro | n-iCe: and try kpowersave as well |
| 04:55.50 | Lagaro | n-iCe: I find kpowersave sometimes works for weird things like that |
| 04:56.05 | Lagaro | n-iCe: that gnome-power-manager doesn't |
| 04:56.18 | n-iCe | downloading |
| 04:56.43 | karsten | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/cl |
| 04:56.51 | Lagaro | n-iCe: downloading what? :P |
| 04:57.02 | Lagaro | karsten: stop hitting F keys in consoles :D |
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| 04:57.09 | n-iCe | kpowersave |
| 04:57.17 | Lagaro | n-iCe: ah, alright sorry :P |
| 04:57.25 | n-iCe | :)) !! |
| 04:57.28 | Lagaro | n-iCe: I just "assume" that everyone has a local repo |
| 04:57.50 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mousewheel over kpowersave icon changes contrast, BTW |
| 04:58.43 | n-iCe | sounds cool |
| 04:59.17 | karsten | Sorry about that. Bad laggage. |
| 04:59.17 | karsten | Um, *Really* bad laggage. should probably kiill irssi.... |
| 04:59.49 | Lagaro | karsten: lol |
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| 05:00.03 | faffi | Lagaro: any ideas? I just want to bypass the hard drive erasing part |
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| 05:00.36 | ozatomic | hmm connect (101 Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:388:1034:2900::25 80] |
| 05:00.39 | Lagaro | faffi: no, I don't . . . |
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| 05:00.47 | ozatomic | have they chagned the mirror to only ipv6? |
| 05:00.50 | faffi | ok |
| 05:00.52 | Lagaro | faffi: I've never installed on a LVM |
| 05:01.11 | Lagaro | faffi: but I can try on a VM if ya wanna wait |
| 05:01.38 | Lagaro | ozatomic: the server may be down |
| 05:01.46 | Lagaro | ozatomic: try again in a while heh |
| 05:01.54 | pickcoder | sazpaimon: also which kernel are you running |
| 05:02.32 | Lagaro | wonders what n-iCe is up to |
| 05:02.32 | karsten | Lagaro: Yah, yeah. |
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| 05:03.18 | faffi | Lagaro: if you have the time, sure, I chose guided partioning with encryption using LVM, supposedly in the expert install you're supposed to be able to bypass the HD erase but it goes straight into partitioning and starts erasing |
| 05:03.26 | n-iCe | same Lagaro |
| 05:03.30 | n-iCe | didn't work either |
| 05:03.36 | Lagaro | n-iCe: alright, worth the shot |
| 05:03.44 | Lagaro | faffi: I'll try |
| 05:03.57 | Lagaro | is going offline for a few minutes to test LVM partitioning |
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| 05:05.44 | Lagaro | faffi: I'll try non-expert first |
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| 05:06.14 | Lagaro | faffi: I usually install on expert mode heh |
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| 05:06.45 | faffi | ok |
| 05:06.48 | Lagaro | faffi: encrypted LVM? |
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| 05:06.56 | faffi | yeah, try to skip the hard drive eraseing part |
| 05:07.05 | faffi | sorry i keep forgetting to hilight you |
| 05:07.41 | Lagaro | faffi: alright, no way to skip it on guided, non-expert |
| 05:08.06 | faffi | Lagaro: ok |
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| 05:08.12 | Lagaro | faffi: next test |
| 05:08.18 | Lagaro | faffi: non-expert, manual |
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| 05:09.01 | Lagaro | n-iCe: try filing a bug report on gnome-power-manager |
| 05:09.04 | faffi | Lagaro: ok, according to the internet, you're supposed to be able to bypass it if you do expert with manual partioning but I couldnt find a definitive guide on setting up the partitions to do it that way |
| 05:09.16 | Lagaro | faffi: mmm alright |
| 05:09.23 | Lagaro | faffi: that's what VMs are for :P |
| 05:09.31 | faffi | haha yeah VM's are nice |
| 05:09.51 | faffi | quick testing, I was happy when I got my iphone to go through my other box into an XP vm to sync contacts |
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| 05:10.14 | sazpaimon | good to know my wireless disconnects me without so much as a fucking warning |
| 05:10.23 | faffi | sazpaimon: wpa_supplicant? |
| 05:10.52 | sazpaimon | no, its just the terrible card this laptop came with |
| 05:10.58 | faffi | haha |
| 05:11.04 | sazpaimon | does the same thing in windows |
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| 05:11.16 | faffi | that sucks, is it a minipci card? |
| 05:11.19 | sazpaimon | yeah |
| 05:11.28 | batcoder-7 | whats the best way to check what ports are open? |
| 05:11.29 | sazpaimon | which is why ive been trying to get my expresscard atheros-based card working |
| 05:11.29 | sazpaimon | but lo and behold debian doesnt support my expresscard slot |
| 05:11.37 | faffi | haha |
| 05:12.02 | faffi | you can get a minipci atheros card for like 20-50$ off eba |
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| 05:12.20 | faffi | thats what I did for my laptop, then i drilled a hole on the side of the laptop with a pigtail for my external antenna |
| 05:12.32 | faffi | the antenna is taller than the laptop screen |
| 05:12.35 | Lagaro | faffi: lol |
| 05:12.47 | faffi | i shaved off a peice of my motherboard but it still works :) |
| 05:12.50 | sazpaimon | Im not voiding my warranty just yet |
| 05:12.55 | Lagaro | faffi: lol |
| 05:12.56 | batcoder-7 | is there any good alternatives to netstat |
| 05:13.00 | batcoder-7 | ? |
| 05:13.00 | Lagaro | faffi: that's the spirit |
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| 05:13.10 | Lagaro | batcoder-7: none that I know of |
| 05:13.14 | faffi | Lagaro: it was actually really fun to do |
| 05:13.20 | Lagaro | batcoder-7: what's wrong w/netstat? |
| 05:13.35 | tczern | where could I get libfftw3f ? |
| 05:13.44 | batcoder-7 | well whats the easiest way to see listening ports? |
| 05:14.02 | Lagaro | batcoder: netstat or nmap |
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| 05:14.25 | Lagaro | faffi: mmm |
| 05:14.29 | Lagaro | faffi: alright, think I got it |
| 05:14.40 | Lagaro | faffi: lemme try expert, confirm it |
| 05:14.42 | tczern | or is it just fftw3f ? |
| 05:14.49 | faffi | Lagaro: ok |
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| 05:15.36 | batcoder-7 | can nmap scan locally? |
| 05:15.55 | faffi | batcoder-7: yep |
| 05:16.06 | sazpaimon | alright yeah, i guess i'll be doing all my aircracking in windows |
| 05:16.09 | sazpaimon | hoo-fucking ray |
| 05:16.18 | faffi | haha |
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| 05:19.03 | Lagaro | faffi: you *do* know what the erase is for, correct? |
| 05:19.14 | faffi | Lagaro: correct, ive already done it twice |
| 05:19.25 | Lagaro | faffi: alright |
| 05:19.30 | Lagaro | faffi: well, quite simple, really |
| 05:19.36 | faffi | Lagaro: I would sit through it again but no patience I want to get the box up |
| 05:19.49 | Lagaro | faffi: start the installer with expert vga=<whatever> |
| 05:19.58 | Lagaro | faffi: then go through the installation as normal |
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| 05:20.07 | Lagaro | faffi: lemme know when you get to partitioning |
| 05:20.37 | Lagaro | faffi: also remember to select loop-aes and crypto-modules in the extra modules selection |
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| 05:23.14 | Lagaro | faffi: you at the partitioning screen yet? |
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| 05:24.43 | faffi | Lagaro: sorry the box I was on froze, jsut restarted |
| 05:24.50 | Lagaro | faffi: alright |
| 05:25.03 | faffi | Lagaro: i'm actually in class right now, I was trying to get some feedback cause I havent found aything online, is it complicated? |
| 05:25.12 | Lagaro | faffi: not at all |
| 05:25.15 | Lagaro | faffi: here |
| 05:25.24 | Lagaro | faffi: set up a small boot partition as hda1 |
| 05:25.53 | Lagaro | faffi: then assign the rest to a logical volume, type 'use this partition as a physical volume for encryption' |
| 05:26.05 | Lagaro | faffi: go 'configure encrypted volumes' |
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| 05:26.13 | Lagaro | faffi: enter passphrase |
| 05:26.25 | Lagaro | faffi: select NO, as you don't want to re-erase the HD |
| 05:26.37 | Lagaro | faffi: then add a physical LVM |
| 05:26.44 | Lagaro | faffi: you should be able to figure it out |
| 05:26.47 | faffi | ok |
| 05:26.53 | faffi | then I can create my other directories |
| 05:27.02 | Lagaro | faffi: if you wanna give me your email, I can email you instructions/screenshots |
| 05:27.13 | Lagaro | faffi: it's not hard |
| 05:27.35 | Lagaro | faffi: unlike setting up the rest of your hardware once the install is done :D |
| 05:27.37 | faffi | Lagaro: sounds faily simple, I just get worried when im setting up my own partitions that i'll screw something up, ive always used guided |
| 05:27.45 | Lagaro | faffi: heh, yeah, well |
| 05:27.50 | Lagaro | faffi: anything else on the box? |
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| 05:28.07 | faffi | Lagaro: I finally got XP on it today, the install was bluescreening so I had to slipstream sata drivers into it |
| 05:28.14 | Lagaro | faffi: mmm |
| 05:28.27 | Lagaro | faffi: well, worst that can happen is that you need to do a reinstall of XP heh |
| 05:28.31 | faffi | I had to switch the mobo into legacy mode cause debian wouldnt see the CDrom or the HD |
| 05:28.40 | Lagaro | faffi: no permanent hardware damage, I mean |
| 05:28.45 | faffi | oh yeah |
| 05:28.46 | faffi | :) |
| 05:28.52 | Lagaro | faffi: so, yea, no big troubles there :P |
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| 05:29.04 | faffi | hopefully the nic driver loads correctly |
| 05:29.10 | Lagaro | faffi: should be simple enough for someone who's done a few installs |
| 05:29.24 | Lagaro | faffi: just be a little more careful in expert mode, that's all |
| 05:29.35 | Lagaro | faffi: slightly more pedantic and verbose |
| 05:29.53 | faffi | Lagaro: ok, i'll pm you my email |
| 05:29.58 | Lagaro | faffi: alright |
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| 05:30.07 | Lagaro | faffi: I'll send you some instructions heh |
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| 05:32.13 | PiousMinion | hooray for no NFS root support in stock kernels. :P |
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| 05:36.13 | phyburn | how do you completely remove a package? I'm trying to get a fresh install of this program but it seems when I do apt-get remove programName it doesn't remove the config files |
| 05:36.25 | Lagaro | phyburn: --purge |
| 05:36.35 | Lagaro | phyburn: apt-get remove --purge <packagename> |
| 05:37.07 | phyburn | thank you Lagaro |
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| 05:37.18 | x1250 | phyburn, or aptitude purge packagename |
| 05:37.20 | Lagaro | phyburn: no proble heh |
| 05:37.43 | asv | hi all |
| 05:37.49 | asv | hi everybody |
| 05:38.00 | Lagaro | hello heh |
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| 05:45.12 | dondon | whenever i /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 05:45.18 | dondon | if lose my eth0 |
| 05:45.25 | dondon | it only lists loopback |
| 05:45.38 | Lagaro | dondon: ifconfig -a tells you what? |
| 05:46.15 | dondon | Lagaro: the eth0 just disappears |
| 05:46.16 | PiousMinion | Any idea how I would go about getting the source of this package? --> xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-686 |
| 05:46.25 | dondon | doesn't say anything about it anymore |
| 05:46.31 | empiric | helo |
| 05:46.45 | empiric | hius any one works on hp data protector for debain etch |
| 05:46.48 | Lagaro | PiousMinion: apt-get src |
| 05:46.54 | empiric | ffom where i get software |
| 05:46.56 | empiric | ? |
| 05:46.56 | Lagaro | PiousMinion: I think |
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| 05:47.08 | Lagaro | PiousMinion: maybe apt-src, can't remember ATM |
| 05:47.38 | x1250 | Lagaro, PiousMinion apt-get source pkgname |
| 05:47.46 | PiousMinion | Lagaro: thanks |
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| 05:51.00 | mne | Hi. I'm planning to buy a new Intel core i7 based system but I find it rather hard to find a mainboard with good performance and linux support. Do you guys have any suggestions ? |
| 05:51.51 | Lagaro | is away, writing email |
| 05:51.54 | dondon | Lagaro: ifconfig -a shows eth0 but shows no network info |
| 05:52.49 | Lagaro | dondon: try 'ifup eth0, or 'dhclient eth0 |
| 05:53.44 | dondon | Lagaro k |
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| 05:57.42 | dondon | Lagaro: Both of those working at getting the interface back up, but when i reset the daemon it goes down again, making it impossible to reconfigure the interface remotely. anyway around this? |
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| 06:04.23 | n-iCe | Lagaro: I know what was missing! |
| 06:04.27 | n-iCe | !java |
| 06:04.27 | dpkg | java is probably a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. <java alternatives> |
| 06:04.31 | Lagaro | dondon: good question |
| 06:04.35 | Lagaro | n-iCe: what's that? |
| 06:04.38 | n-iCe | Java! |
| 06:04.43 | n-iCe | I haven't installed it yet! |
| 06:04.57 | Lagaro | n-iCe: and this has what to do w/your backlight? :D |
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| 06:05.16 | n-iCe | no |
| 06:05.19 | n-iCe | :> |
| 06:05.25 | n-iCe | What's the best way to install Java? |
| 06:05.37 | Lagaro | dondon: resetting which daemon brings the device down? |
| 06:05.40 | Lagaro | n-iCe: well |
| 06:05.46 | Lagaro | n-iCe: JRE or SDK? |
| 06:05.57 | n-iCe | hehe |
| 06:06.00 | n-iCe | what's that :> |
| 06:06.05 | n-iCe | let me google a little if you want |
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| 06:06.09 | Lagaro | n-iCe: and plugin or environment? |
| 06:06.17 | Lagaro | n-iCe: nah, I've done it before heh |
| 06:06.33 | dondon | Lagaro: /etc/init.d/networking restart the eth0 doesn't come back up until i do an ifup eth0 |
| 06:06.37 | n-iCe | Lagaro: what's better |
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| 06:06.44 | n-iCe | or what's really necessary? |
| 06:06.52 | Lagaro | dondon: hmmm |
| 06:07.07 | Lagaro | n-iCe: you'll want a plugin, presumeably, for your browser? |
| 06:07.46 | Lagaro | dondon: check your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:07.47 | n-iCe | Lagaro: tell me a site using java |
| 06:07.48 | n-iCe | :D |
| 06:08.02 | Lagaro | dondon: there should be a 'auto eth0' line . . . |
| 06:08.07 | Lagaro | n-iCe: good question |
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| 06:08.12 | Lagaro | n-iCe: I have it disabled :D |
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| 06:08.19 | Lagaro | n-iCe: due to bandwidth concerns |
| 06:08.29 | Lagaro | n-iCe: not due to the fact it doesn't workheh |
| 06:08.33 | n-iCe | oh |
| 06:08.40 | n-iCe | I think I am ok, don't want Java |
| 06:08.40 | n-iCe | lol |
| 06:08.47 | Lagaro | n-iCe: heh |
| 06:08.51 | n-iCe | what else... what else... |
| 06:08.53 | n-iCe | gimp! |
| 06:08.53 | n-iCe | ok |
| 06:08.59 | Lagaro | n-iCe: Java doesn't play nicely with dialup |
| 06:09.07 | dondon | Lagaro: aha, it doesn't let's see if it works now =] |
| 06:09.09 | n-iCe | I use adsl 2MB |
| 06:09.19 | Lagaro | n-iCe: lol 26.4 dialup |
| 06:09.22 | n-iCe | sad |
| 06:09.30 | n-iCe | use aircrack and take your next door signal |
| 06:09.31 | n-iCe | :> |
| 06:09.36 | Lagaro | n-iCe: , . . |
| 06:09.41 | n-iCe | haha |
| 06:09.41 | n-iCe | kidding |
| 06:09.47 | Lagaro | n-iCe: no neighbours for a ways around lol |
| 06:09.53 | n-iCe | sad |
| 06:09.53 | dondon | Lagaro: you're my hero ^_^ |
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| 06:09.59 | Lagaro | dondon: why? lol |
| 06:10.06 | dondon | Lagaro: it works |
| 06:10.23 | Lagaro | wonders why people call him 'hero' after simple fixes |
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| 06:10.31 | Lagaro | dondon: no offense heh |
| 06:10.45 | n-iCe | Lagaro: you are good. |
| 06:10.49 | n-iCe | the channel needs you |
| 06:10.52 | Lagaro | n-iCe: lol |
| 06:11.12 | Lagaro | n-iCe: well, I think it's a good change from Crossfire :P |
| 06:11.53 | Lagaro | n-iCe: this is at least educational heh |
| 06:11.53 | n-iCe | I have seen arrogant persons here, youre kind |
| 06:11.53 | Lagaro | n-iCe: because I was in your position not very long ago |
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| 06:11.54 | Lagaro | n-iCe: and I am a firm believer in that 'What goes around, comes around' |
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| 06:12.13 | n-iCe | you use lenny? kde? |
| 06:12.19 | mnguyen | Anybody here know how I can install flash in lenny? |
| 06:12.22 | Lagaro | n-iCe: lenny on this comp |
| 06:12.26 | n-iCe | mnguyen: I know! |
| 06:12.28 | Lagaro | n-iCe: Sid on another |
| 06:12.30 | n-iCe | mnguyen: for epiphany? |
| 06:12.46 | n-iCe | my turn for the easy fix |
| 06:12.47 | n-iCe | *g* |
| 06:12.54 | mnguyen | n-iCe: for iceweasel |
| 06:12.56 | Lagaro | mnguyen: I could prolly figure it out heh |
| 06:13.04 | n-iCe | mnguyen: Download, http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz |
| 06:13.13 | Lagaro | mnguyen: amd64 or i386? |
| 06:13.17 | n-iCe | Lagaro: what? I use epihpany, I love it |
| 06:13.23 | mnguyen | Lagaro: amd64 |
| 06:13.37 | Lagaro | mnguyen: on Sid |
| 06:13.48 | Lagaro | mnguyen: flash crashes iceweasel |
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| 06:14.06 | mnguyen | mnguyen: bah. i saw the same issue when i was using ubuntu... what should i do? |
| 06:14.29 | Lagaro | mnguyen: mmm . . . dunno . . . .epiphany works |
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| 06:14.44 | Lagaro | mnguyen: I'm sure it's a common problem |
| 06:14.56 | mnguyen | Lagaro: i don't have gnome installed... |
| 06:15.01 | Lagaro | mnguyen: mmmm |
| 06:15.08 | Lagaro | mnguyen: good question . . . |
| 06:15.10 | mnguyen | Lagaro: i only have xorg pkgs and openbox |
| 06:15.16 | Lagaro | mnguyen: google? |
| 06:15.42 | mnguyen | Lagaro: tried, they recommended the sid package... but i don't know how to add a temporary exception |
| 06:15.52 | Lagaro | mnguyen: well |
| 06:15.58 | Lagaro | mnguyen: google that :P |
| 06:16.04 | Lagaro | mnguyen: not hard heh |
| 06:16.24 | Lagaro | mnguyen: haven't done it in a while, since I switched to Sid |
| 06:16.28 | Lagaro | mnguyen: but IIRC |
| 06:16.45 | mnguyen | Lagaro: actually i tried googling it... sigh |
| 06:16.57 | Lagaro | mnguyen: it's modifying /etc/apt/preferences and adding something like adding a higher priority to Lenny rather than Sid |
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| 06:17.09 | Lagaro | mnguyen: I'll try, hang on |
| 06:17.13 | BeRoots | salut à tous |
| 06:17.21 | Lagaro | BeRoots: hello |
| 06:17.47 | mnguyen | thanks |
| 06:17.56 | BeRoots | je recherche la commande pour avoir les parametre de connexion de ma machine... (ip, passerel...) |
| 06:18.00 | BeRoots | une idée |
| 06:18.01 | BeRoots | ??? |
| 06:18.03 | mnguyen | i'm tempted to install opera = |
| 06:18.05 | mnguyen | =| |
| 06:18.26 | K_Sakura | How do I mount a vfat raw disk image (used by qemu)? |
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| 06:18.59 | BeRoots | in english: i search commande line for look ip,broadcast... |
| 06:19.07 | BeRoots | an ide |
| 06:19.16 | BeRoots | idea? |
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| 06:19.44 | Lagaro | mnguyen: mmm |
| 06:19.45 | K_Sakura | I've already tried "mount -oloop -t vfat rawdisk.iso mnt" -- and it errors on FS type. |
| 06:19.47 | Lagaro | mnguyen: here |
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| 06:20.12 | Lagaro | mnguyen: wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 06:20.18 | Lagaro | mnguyen: go to |
| 06:20.39 | Lagaro | mnguyen: 'can I use Sid packages on testing?' |
| 06:21.05 | Lagaro | K_sakura: I've never been able to figure that out :( |
| 06:21.21 | mnguyen | Lagaro: great, thanks for your help |
| 06:21.34 | Lagaro | mnguyen: let me know how that turns out heh |
| 06:21.43 | Lagaro | BeRoots: mmm |
| 06:21.54 | dondon | how do i see what deamons are running on boot. rc-update.d ??? |
| 06:21.56 | Lagaro | BeRoots: try the commands nmap and netstat for network info |
| 06:22.11 | Lagaro | dondon: for which runlevel? |
| 06:22.22 | BeRoots | thanks |
| 06:22.25 | BeRoots | ;) |
| 06:22.26 | K_Sakura | (output of "file rawdrive.iso".) "rawdrive.iso: x86 boot sector, mbr; partition 1: ID=0xc, starthead 1, startsector 63, 2046177 sectors" |
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| 06:22.34 | dondon | Lagaro: any, i'm just trying to figure out how it works |
| 06:22.42 | Lagaro | dondon: ls /etc/rc.<level>/ |
| 06:22.52 | Lagaro | dondon: is the list |
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| 06:24.08 | Lagaro | dondon: for a particular runlevel |
| 06:24.47 | Lagaro | K_Sakura: hmmmm |
| 06:25.09 | dondon | Lagaro: rgr. ty |
| 06:25.26 | Lagaro | dondon: 'rgr'? heh |
| 06:25.39 | Lagaro | dondon: fairly new to IRC, forgive me |
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| 06:25.56 | \amethyst | dondon: specifically, the scripts ones starting with K?? are invoked with the 'stop' parameter, and the ones starting with S?? with 'start' |
| 06:26.14 | dondon | Lagaro: oh, that's from too many video games 'rgr as in rodger that' |
| 06:26.19 | Lagaro | \amethyst aye |
| 06:26.24 | Lagaro | dondon: lol alright |
| 06:26.26 | dondon | \amethyst: thx, good to know |
| 06:26.49 | Lagaro | dondon: best way to remove a service |
| 06:26.54 | Lagaro | dondon: if you remove the link |
| 06:27.02 | dondon | update-rc.d remove name? |
| 06:27.10 | Lagaro | dondon: when you upgrade, the installer assumes that they are new |
| 06:27.17 | Lagaro | dondon: and re-creates them |
| 06:27.33 | Lagaro | dondon: simply mv the Ses to K |
| 06:27.34 | n-iCe | Lagaro: you use msn? |
| 06:27.39 | Lagaro | n-iCe: nope |
| 06:27.46 | x1250 | Lagaro, please don't use enter as punctuation... |
| 06:27.47 | n-iCe | you know any good client? |
| 06:27.51 | n-iCe | !msn |
| 06:27.51 | dpkg | i heard msn is an abreviation for Microsoft Network. A nasty place where either the incredibaly stupid, or incredibably rich like. apparently now being used to mean just the instant messenger service |
| 06:27.56 | dondon | Lagaro: oh, rather than removing them, just rename, gotcha |
| 06:28.04 | Lagaro | x1250: sorry . . . |
| 06:28.04 | dondon | *removing the links |
| 06:28.12 | Lagaro | x1250: any reason why? |
| 06:28.18 | phyburn | how can I allow a PPTPd server access to the internet? |
| 06:28.52 | x1250 | Lagaro, /msg dpkg enter |
| 06:29.21 | Lagaro | sorry . . . I'm too used to impatient people |
| 06:29.46 | Lagaro | my bad, I'll try to fix it in the future. |
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| 06:30.22 | Lagaro | n-iCe: amsn? kopete? |
| 06:30.23 | dondon | in cfdisk is linux extended ext3 journaled? |
| 06:30.36 | Lagaro | dondon: ext3 is journaled, yea |
| 06:31.00 | Lagaro | dondon: so is JFS, XFS, and such . . . ext2 is not |
| 06:31.46 | Lagaro | K_Sakura: I dunno . . . google perhaps heh |
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| 06:33.10 | Lagaro | K_Sakura: ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-136943.html |
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| 06:36.42 | dondon | sorry for all the questions. i've only being using unix for a few months, and have spent all my time on freebsd until i had hardware incompatabilites, thx for all ur help =] |
| 06:37.19 | Lagaro | dondon: no problem, heh. The trick is not be afraid to ask. :P |
| 06:38.47 | Lagaro | which reminds me . . . I have a question of my own heh. Any idea on how to get gmail working in w3m? |
| 06:39.18 | K_Sakura | Thanks Lagaro -- it mounted. ^_^ |
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| 06:39.55 | Lagaro | K_Sakura: heh, useful for me as well . . . always wondered how to do that |
| 06:40.03 | stew | Lagaro: first implement a javascript engine for w3m |
| 06:40.15 | Lagaro | stew: figured :) |
| 06:40.31 | K_Sakura | The offset was key. |
| 06:40.40 | Lagaro | K_Sakura: good to know heh |
| 06:40.51 | Lagaro | you learn things every day on #debian :P |
| 06:41.08 | K_Sakura | That's part of why I lurk here. ^_^ |
| 06:41.48 | Lagaro | K_Sakura: lol, this is gonna be my favourite activity from now on. I'm gonna be a IRC junkie :P |
| 06:43.02 | K_Sakura | I'm currently lurking in 11 channels on two servers. Ready to pounce. =(^.^)= |
| 06:43.29 | x1250 | :) |
| 06:44.09 | Lagaro | x1250: satisfied with my new punctuation? :P |
| 06:44.25 | Lagaro | x1250: (anything to fill the airwaves) |
| 06:44.56 | x1250 | Lagaro, dpkg told me he was :P |
| 06:45.27 | Lagaro | x1250: good to know that dpkg is now an AI :D |
| 06:45.55 | Lagaro | x1250: let's just hope that he's benevolent and not mischevious :) |
| 06:46.12 | Lagaro | x1250: (or belligerent) |
| 06:49.13 | Lagaro | what IRC clients are y'all using? (just curious heh) |
| 06:49.20 | x1250 | he has his days |
| 06:49.26 | x1250 | uses xchat |
| 06:49.41 | Lagaro | is using ircii |
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| 06:52.10 | Lagaro | wonders how long it'll be until someone else has a question |
| 06:55.20 | PiousMinion | ok.... |
| 06:55.42 | PiousMinion | Any idea how to create a xen variant of a kernel the debian way? |
| 06:56.07 | Lagaro | PiousMinion: no, but I can google it :D |
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| 06:56.56 | Lagaro | join #crossfire |
| 06:57.21 | Lagaro | Chadoth: getting some work done for a change. Perhaps it's a good thing metalforge is down :D |
| 06:58.32 | PiousMinion | It seems that the following command will generate everything except the xen variant. --> fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch_i386_none_686 binary-indep DEBIAN_KERNEL_JOBS=1 |
| 06:59.19 | PiousMinion | I've been following this. --> http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage#head-7eab3f56c6877027b8f431a04edb5fa8448ddb5a |
| 06:59.41 | Lagaro | whoops, w/c, sorry |
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| 07:02.41 | dondon | if i wanna search if a package is installed or search the package repository, i dont see a apt-get cmd for that |
| 07:02.44 | dondon | is there one? |
| 07:02.55 | Lagaro | dondon: apt-cache search <name> |
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| 07:05.10 | Lagaro | PiousMinion: d'ya play crossfire at all? heh |
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| 07:05.27 | PiousMinion | Lagaro: never heard of it. |
| 07:05.46 | Lagaro | PiousMinion: you were just on #crossfire :P |
| 07:05.57 | PiousMinion | (1:56:54 AM) Lagaro: join #crossfire |
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| 07:06.25 | PiousMinion | thought it was a general discussion channel and you were asking me to go theere. lol |
| 07:06.30 | codynotes | How do I determine which release of Debian is installed on a machine? |
| 07:06.39 | codynotes | e.g., lenny, etch, etc. |
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| 07:06.47 | Lagaro | codynotes; cat /etc/release |
| 07:06.55 | PiousMinion | etch says 4.0 when you login, lenny says 5.0 |
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| 07:07.10 | Lagaro | PiousMinion: lol, sorry, missed the slash on that one |
| 07:07.21 | codynotes | Lagaro: I don't have an /etc/release |
| 07:07.40 | codynotes | PiousMinion: All I see when I login is 'Linux dev 2.6.21-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Jul 11 03:53:02 UTC 2007 i686' |
| 07:07.41 | PiousMinion | I don't have a release file either. O.o |
| 07:07.48 | Lagaro | codynotes; sorry, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:08.01 | codynotes | Lagaro: Thanks! |
| 07:08.03 | Lagaro | is tired, forgive him |
| 07:08.03 | codynotes | It's lenny |
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| 07:08.12 | codynotes | Forgiven ;) |
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| 07:08.49 | PiousMinion | codynotes: might want to update a bit. Lenny is using 2.6.26-1 now/ |
| 07:09.22 | sz0 | how can i auto-mount a partition that can't have an uuid? (i don't want to use ivman, also) |
| 07:09.38 | Lagaro | sz0: /etc/fstab is a wonderful thing |
| 07:09.58 | sz0 | Lagaro: how fstab can help me? |
| 07:10.30 | Lagaro | sz0: mmm |
| 07:10.34 | PiousMinion | Why wouldn't the partition be able to have a uuid? |
| 07:10.43 | Lagaro | sz0: something like so: |
| 07:11.16 | Lagaro | sz0: /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home ext2,ext3 defaults,noatime 1 1 |
| 07:11.34 | sz0 | PiousMinion: it is a music player. when i format it with mkfs.vfat, it's superblock gets messed, somehow. |
| 07:11.46 | Lagaro | sz0: ahh! sorry . . . |
| 07:12.08 | Lagaro | sz0: could use a HAL layer to mount, I guess |
| 07:12.40 | sz0 | hmm. i should lookup into it |
| 07:12.59 | Lagaro | is going AFK to try out metalforge . . . apparently it's up again |
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| 07:14.12 | n-iCe | where can I email for bugs? |
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| 07:17.03 | Lagaro | n-iCe: bugs.debian.org is a tracker |
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| 07:31.55 | XaeroOne | hello |
| 07:32.17 | n-iCe | hi |
| 07:32.43 | XaeroOne | I installed debian etch stable XFCE disk 1 only |
| 07:32.53 | XaeroOne | the installation took 1.5GB on the hdd |
| 07:33.23 | XaeroOne | when i checked the /var/cahce/apt/archives the size for 1.3GB |
| 07:33.58 | XaeroOne | I am not very good with Linux, just starting to use it, as I understand the programs here are not required once installed and working fine |
| 07:34.04 | XaeroOne | is that right? |
| 07:34.13 | vaq | yes, run apt-get clean |
| 07:34.35 | XaeroOne | which brings me to the next question - so debian is only 200MB? |
| 07:34.53 | XaeroOne | the actual os is just 200MB? |
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| 07:34.59 | vaq | Sounds right |
| 07:35.06 | XaeroOne | that's all that is required to run a computer? |
| 07:35.19 | vaq | yes |
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| 07:38.09 | xlotlu | XaeroOne: all that's required to run a computer is well under 2MB |
| 07:38.43 | xlotlu | and if you got a computer for a specific task, say a full-fledged router and firewall, say 4MB to 8MB |
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| 07:39.38 | xlotlu | XaeroOne: and a lot of those 200MB are actually documentation in multiple languages |
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| 07:40.22 | XaeroOne | where can I remove that from? |
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| 07:42.03 | XaeroOne | i am going to install debian on all my computers, it's my new fav os :-D |
| 07:42.12 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: good to hear it heh |
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| 07:42.40 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: do a search for 'doc' in installed packages in aptitude |
| 07:42.50 | XaeroOne | ok thanks |
| 07:42.58 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: also check for excess manpages |
| 07:43.21 | XaeroOne | i need manpages, i am a noob at linux |
| 07:43.31 | XaeroOne | what do excess manpages have? |
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| 07:43.40 | irnodefn | "how can I allow a PPTPd server access to the internet?" (c) phyburn |
| 07:43.43 | xlotlu | content in other languages |
| 07:43.53 | XaeroOne | ok |
| 07:44.08 | xlotlu | XaeroOne: if you _really_ need extra space, you can install localepurge |
| 07:44.34 | XaeroOne | ok |
| 07:44.35 | xlotlu | that will remove mans and docs in different languages, but as they put it, take care, it's just a hack |
| 07:45.05 | phyburn | irnodefn, what? |
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| 07:45.43 | XaeroOne | 2 more questions, I was not able to install irssi because debian says "irssi requires libperl5.8 but it is not going to be installed" |
| 07:45.50 | XaeroOne | why is that? |
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| 07:46.39 | XaeroOne | 2nd questions, I am making a full switch to linux so I wan to convert my NTFS partition on an external drive to something linux compatible |
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| 07:47.31 | XaeroOne | which FS is better? I heard ext2 makes lesser writes than ext3 would that be good to do? |
| 07:49.19 | xlotlu | XaeroOne: no |
| 07:50.06 | ameyer | ext3 tends to be more robust in the event of a sudden disconnection or loss of power or similar |
| 07:50.16 | xlotlu | ext3 is ext2 + journalling, which basically takes care your data won't go out in flames when you stumble across the power cord |
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| 07:50.34 | ameyer | though IIRC, it does 30% or so more writes than a ext2 system |
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| 07:51.44 | XaeroOne | ok |
| 07:51.58 | XaeroOne | but has anyone heard synaptic say "irssi requires libperl5.8 but it is not going to be installed" |
| 07:52.20 | XaeroOne | can anyone shed some light on what might be the issue? |
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| 07:54.21 | xlotlu | XaeroOne: it means you messed with the repositories :) |
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| 07:55.12 | d-b | hi there when i try to run strace uptime on this computer it runs for ages i don't know if it ever finishes -> vs this computer it takes only a second -> are there any possible reasons for this ? |
| 07:55.13 | XaeroOne | I didn't do anything I just went to install xchat it said the same thing |
| 07:55.18 | XaeroOne | then i tried irssi |
| 07:55.26 | xlotlu | XaeroOne: you probably added testing in apt.conf |
| 07:55.40 | XaeroOne | then I searched for libperl5.8 and tried installing same thing |
| 07:55.46 | xlotlu | or if you didn't, try apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 07:56.10 | XaeroOne | I don't know much of linux command linux so i use synaptic |
| 07:56.32 | XaeroOne | that way I can't screw up much :-P |
| 07:56.35 | dondon | in top there are a whole bunch of %'s. ie: %us %sy. the top man file doesn't say what each of these mean. can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 07:56.37 | xlotlu | well, looks like you're gonna take a crash course |
| 07:56.58 | dondon | *CPU %'s |
| 07:57.19 | stew | XaeroOne: show us the output of "apt-cache policy irssi libperl5.8 libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 07:57.28 | xlotlu | XaeroOne: start a terminal and pastebin the output of apt-cache policy xchat libperl5.8 |
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| 08:00.33 | XaeroOne | I am not at the computer right now, when I get to it and manage to install an irc client on it I'll be able to do that |
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| 08:01.55 | dondon | nm i finally found something on it |
| 08:02.19 | Lagaro | is back |
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| 08:03.42 | n-iCe | Lagaro: Welcome back. |
| 08:03.47 | n-iCe | I have been readin a lot of Debian. |
| 08:03.52 | Lagaro | n-iCe: thanks heh |
| 08:04.02 | Lagaro | n-iCe: whatcha been reading? |
| 08:04.59 | XaeroOne | can I mount / on one partition of 200MB and /var and /home on another partition? |
| 08:05.10 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: aye |
| 08:05.15 | XaeroOne | with both /var and /home on the same one? |
| 08:05.21 | n-iCe | Lagaro: commands, softs, tricks, applications, etc. |
| 08:05.21 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: mmm |
| 08:05.29 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: that might not be possible |
| 08:05.40 | Lagaro | x-iCe: heh, always good reading :P |
| 08:05.59 | XaeroOne | but it give you an option to manually specify mount points right? |
| 08:06.33 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: aye |
| 08:06.40 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: take a look at 'man fstab |
| 08:07.08 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: or, if you prefer, I can break down an example line for you |
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| 08:07.33 | XaeroOne | i can deal with fstab, thanks |
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| 08:08.17 | XaeroOne | what I want to do is put the the system files on a teeny weeny partition at the beginning of the hard drive and put the junk in the corner |
| 08:08.22 | n-iCe | What do you think Lagaro http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotob0.png |
| 08:08.50 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: mmm alright |
| 08:08.57 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: how big is your HDD? |
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| 08:09.04 | XaeroOne | 160GB |
| 08:09.07 | Lagaro | n-iCe: hang on, I'll take a peek |
| 08:09.16 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: all dedicated to Debian? |
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| 08:10.10 | XaeroOne | no, i want arch as well and 2 GB for winxp till I am confident enough with linux |
| 08:10.24 | XaeroOne | archlinux |
| 08:10.33 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: alright, I'd suggest, out of 40GB for Debian |
| 08:10.54 | XaeroOne | n-iCe: htop |
| 08:11.12 | XaeroOne | I like the app it is way better than top |
| 08:11.33 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: 15gb for system, 23 for files, 2 for swap |
| 08:11.44 | Lagaro | XaeroOne: depending on how much memory you have |
| 08:12.04 | XaeroOne | on another computer that I installed debian on, with the xfce disk |
| 08:12.06 | peppe | IMO 2GB for winxp is a bit too little |
| 08:12.09 | Lagaro | n-iCe: hang on |
| 08:12.22 | XaeroOne | it has 256MB ram and it uses 16% of it and never uses the swap file |
| 08:12.30 | Lagaro | n-iCe: gotta switch to another browser for Imgshack |
| 08:12.42 | XaeroOne | on my computer I have 1GB RAM it is really necessary to have a swap? |
| 08:12.42 | n-iCe | Lagaro: thank you, just want to know if all looks fine. |
| 08:13.06 | Lagaro | n-iCe: alright, hang on heh |
| 08:13.19 | peppe | XaeroOne: yes |
| 08:13.34 | n-iCe | peppe: With 2GB? |
| 08:14.14 | peppe | (consider also that if you want to use suspend-to-disk features, you've to set up at least as much swap space as your physical ram) |
| 08:14.25 | Lagaro | n-iCe: that's an invalid link I think |
| 08:14.30 | XaeroOne | I don't want to do that |
| 08:14.39 | XaeroOne | link works |
| 08:14.42 | Lagaro | n-iCe: hang on, maybe not |
| 08:14.55 | Lagaro | n-iCe: manually copying out the address, may have mistyped |
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| 08:15.34 | Lagaro | n-iCe: aye, looks like a valid address |
| 08:15.50 | n-iCe | :) |
| 08:15.52 | peppe | n-iCe: I usually recommend to set up some swap space on a desktop pc; things like firefox with a bunch of opened tabs usually leads my system to swap out something |
| 08:16.17 | n-iCe | peppe: mine looks good? |
| 08:16.22 | Lagaro | peppe: I like a 2GB swap file |
| 08:16.25 | XaeroOne | yeah when the usage increases I can create a swapfile |
| 08:16.52 | XaeroOne | i was thinking more like 256MB file |
| 08:17.11 | Lagaro | n-iCe: hang on . . . loading screenshots under 26.4dialup takes a while |
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| 08:17.28 | n-iCe | :) |
| 08:17.54 | Lagaro | n-iCe: looks pretty good heh |
| 08:18.30 | Lagaro | n-iCe: my only suggestion is to tone down the transparency a tad, little hard to read heh :P |
| 08:19.11 | n-iCe | :)) |
| 08:19.20 | Lagaro | n-iCe: perhaps it's just because I'm used to white-on-black fullscreen consoles |
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| 08:19.40 | n-iCe | it uses 400MB of RAM windows 7 uses the same :S |
| 08:19.51 | Lagaro | n-iCe: lol |
| 08:19.58 | n-iCe | really |
| 08:20.00 | Lagaro | n-iCe: nope |
| 08:20.03 | n-iCe | Can't believe it. |
| 08:20.06 | Lagaro | n-iCe: realize |
| 08:20.11 | n-iCe | I just formated, to change it to Debian. |
| 08:20.11 | Lagaro | n-iCe: that's cache as well |
| 08:20.28 | Lagaro | n-iCe: reality is much less than 358MB |
| 08:20.48 | Lagaro | n-iCe: GNOME, for me, takes around 90 or so MB of RAM, plus a few hundred in cache |
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| 08:21.09 | Lagaro | n-iCe: (least it did a few months ago, when I last used GNOME) |
| 08:21.29 | Lagaro | n-iCe: I'm happy w/Fluxbox when I use a GUI heh |
| 08:21.32 | n-iCe | you use just console right? |
| 08:21.43 | Lagaro | n-iCe: aye, most of the time |
| 08:21.48 | Lagaro | n-iCe: dunno why |
| 08:21.56 | Lagaro | n-iCe: just seems easier |
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| 08:22.31 | n-iCe | hehe |
| 08:22.40 | n-iCe | it has been a pleasure meeting you |
| 08:22.44 | n-iCe | My day has ended for now. |
| 08:22.47 | Lagaro | n-iCe: heh alright |
| 08:22.48 | n-iCe | 2:30am |
| 08:22.50 | Lagaro | n-iCe: yea |
| 08:22.51 | XaeroOne | Xfce debian takes 40Mb in teh ram |
| 08:22.56 | n-iCe | Need to sleep, see ya, take care! see you soon |
| 08:23.03 | Lagaro | n-iCe: well, I'll be on this time tomorrow I think |
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| 08:23.11 | Lagaro | m-iCe: if you have any more problems :D |
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| 08:23.25 | n-iCe | The world needs people like you! |
| 08:23.28 | Lagaro | realizes he's slipping into old habits |
| 08:23.32 | Lagaro | n-iCe: lol thanks |
| 08:23.43 | Lagaro | bows and thanks n-iCe |
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| 08:25.20 | Lagaro | wonders when the next problem will pop up |
| 08:25.22 | Farhadix | hi guys. i wanna compile linux 2.4.27 on debian sarge, in compiling returns 2 errors. first make[1] : *** [vmlinux] Error 1 and second make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 |
| 08:25.32 | Farhadix | what package is needed? |
| 08:25.40 | Lagaro | Farhadix: mmm |
| 08:25.47 | Lagaro | Farhadix: running a server? |
| 08:26.15 | Farhadix | no, i wanna run openmosix |
| 08:26.16 | Lagaro | Farhadix: what's the error before 'make[1] : *** [vmlinux] Error 1'? |
| 08:26.26 | Lagaro | Farhadix: there should be an error before that |
| 08:26.54 | Lagaro | Farhadix: such as 'syntax error: unexpected '{' in file <file>.c, line 254' |
| 08:26.54 | Farhadix | Lagaro, wait... |
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| 08:29.02 | tziku | Hello. I have a SERVER and a COMPUTER. SERVER have internet from optical cable. And COMPUTER from SERVER.My problem is: I i have ping reply from all sites from SERVER but from COMPUTER i don't have ping reply from some sites (ex. webmin.com , scanalert.com). My server config is: http://pastebin.com/m2e995524 and my COMPUTER ip is 89.33.107.10 with gw 89.33.107.1 (SERVER). |
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| 08:29.21 | tziku | here is a treceroute: http://pastebin.com/m764026db |
| 08:29.55 | Lagaro | tziku: is the server blocking some forwarding to certain IPs? |
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| 08:30.12 | Lagaro | tziku: eg 'iptables -L -v' on the server |
| 08:30.14 | tziku | not server...i don't know Lagaro. Please look at traceroute |
| 08:30.28 | Lagaro | tziku: alright . . . |
| 08:31.01 | tziku | 'iptables -L -v' -> http://pastebin.com/m53a6387 |
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| 08:32.22 | Lagaro | tziku: mmmm . . . just for certain sites? |
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| 08:32.44 | tziku | yes...some websites work other...not work |
| 08:33.11 | Lagaro | tziku: hmmm . . . got a firewall on the windows box? |
| 08:33.33 | Lagaro | tziku: try disabling that if you do, sometimes firewalls cause weird errors |
| 08:33.46 | tziku | I have more computers home and all have same problem. I think is not a problem from my COMPUTER. I have an iphone too connected throu WiFi and have same problem on IPhone. |
| 08:34.20 | Lagaro | tziku: hmmmm . . . how is the server set up? |
| 08:34.36 | tziku | here are all server settings: http://pastebin.com/m2e995524 |
| 08:34.43 | Lagaro | tziku: alright, thanks |
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| 08:35.45 | Lagaro | tziku: is eth0 or eth1 the "world"? |
| 08:36.04 | Lagaro | tziku: e.g. which one is connected to the internet? |
| 08:36.18 | tziku | eth1 is connected to optical cable, and eth0 is connected to my LAN. |
| 08:36.26 | tziku | eth1 |
| 08:36.29 | Lagaro | tziku: thanks |
| 08:37.03 | Lagaro | tziku: BTW, that 'route add default gw' is unnessacary |
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| 08:38.00 | Lagaro | tziku: it all looks good . . . |
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| 08:38.14 | tziku | ... |
| 08:38.25 | Lagaro | tziku: I've no idea what is wrong . . . 'cause it's only for certain sites, right? |
| 08:39.01 | Lagaro | tziku: and the ones that are inaccessable from the LAN are fine from the server? |
| 08:39.14 | tziku | yes Lagaro and some of this sites are: sourceforge.net webmin.com scanalert.com ). |
| 08:39.46 | tziku | Yes. i can ping those all websites from SERVER but from COMPUTER some are not respondig and can't acces them. |
| 08:39.53 | PiousMinion | I would guess dns issues, but idk. |
| 08:39.58 | Lagaro | tziku: mmm . . . definitely on the weirder side of the scale |
| 08:40.24 | Lagaro | tziku: you tried google, I presume? |
| 08:40.36 | tziku | PiousMinion dns is working. |
| 08:40.39 | tziku | yes. google is working |
| 08:41.07 | PiousMinion | Have you tried pinging the IPs of those sites instead of their dns name? |
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| 08:41.18 | Farhadix | Lagaro, http://i41.tinypic.com/2ebfywy.jpg |
| 08:41.22 | tziku | no PiousMinion but i will try now. |
| 08:41.31 | Lagaro | tziku: (I mean that you tried googling the problem?) |
| 08:41.36 | Lagaro | Farhadix: alright, hang on |
| 08:41.48 | tziku | yes. i'm trying to solve this problem from a week ago. day by day. |
| 08:41.53 | tziku | googling day by day. |
| 08:42.27 | Lagaro | tziku: mmm . . . alright, is it just a recent problem that's cropped up then? |
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| 08:42.43 | tziku | PiousMinion pinging directly to IP adresses is same as pinging DNS. ..not working |
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| 08:43.40 | tziku | i installed this internet connection about 2 months and 2 weeks ago i found this problem. i don't know if is new or is from first day. |
| 08:44.01 | Lagaro | tziku: alright, hmm |
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| 08:44.57 | Lagaro | tziku: you've got me on that one . . . perhaps it's packet loss or something? but no, that would be intermittent . . . |
| 08:45.22 | Lagaro | Farhadix: I've not forgotten you, heh . . . screenshot's taking a while to d/l |
| 08:45.42 | tziku | SERVER have 2 ip adresses. Now i don't know from what interface i ping those sites. How can i try to ping from eth1 and from eth0 ? |
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| 08:46.08 | tziku | i mean to ping from 89.33.107.1 and from 86.55.5.38 |
| 08:46.15 | Lagaro | tziku: bring down one of hem |
| 08:46.31 | Lagaro | tziku: via 'ifdown' . . . or maybe not |
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| 08:47.09 | tziku | if i bring down eth0 i won't have LAN if i bring down eth1 i only have LAN with no internet |
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| 08:48.00 | Lagaro | tziku: yea, that's what I mean . . . I've no idea heh |
| 08:49.19 | Farhadix | Lagaro, no problem, I will be waiting. :) |
| 08:49.40 | tziku | i think i found something. |
| 08:50.14 | tziku | look here please: http://pastebin.com/m4c8b5ca8 |
| 08:50.40 | Lagaro | tziku: taking a look |
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| 08:53.30 | Lagaro | tziku: odd |
| 08:54.24 | Lagaro | is going away for a drink and some food . . . be back in a few minutes |
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| 09:07.50 | BW^- | now how do i see paging/swapping statistics? |
| 09:10.11 | BW^- | like, how much it's swapping right now |
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| 09:15.29 | dondon | night night |
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| 09:19.14 | scientes | none of the pictures of packages work |
| 09:19.17 | scientes | in lenny |
| 09:19.33 | PiousMinion | pictures of packages? |
| 09:19.37 | scientes | how does it get the pictures, from the repository? |
| 09:19.46 | scientes | its in synaptic |
| 09:19.49 | scientes | screenchots |
| 09:19.57 | KC | And I just accidentally upgraded to a bastard combination of sid and lenny -_- |
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| 09:20.39 | KC | there's no real way to downgrade right? |
| 09:21.00 | PiousMinion | no easy way, no |
| 09:21.31 | KC | hmm, suppose I can count this on a head start on using the new testing |
| 09:21.44 | KC | or an opportunity to switch to 64 bit |
| 09:21.47 | KC | either way |
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| 09:25.32 | micw | how can i create an abolute minimalistic (working) install of debian with debootstrap? (i need it only for a pxe rescue system) |
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| 09:27.26 | scientes | micw, the basic does that, but you have to build a pxe initrd |
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| 09:30.31 | micw | i know how to do that but the initrd is about 100 mb |
| 09:30.44 | micw | it it possible to make it smaller? |
| 09:30.58 | Lagaro | is back and going to bed now |
| 09:31.06 | Lagaro | good night, all |
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| 09:33.47 | valdyn | micw: just busybox and kernel drivers |
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| 09:34.12 | valdyn | micw: or do you need anything that is not in busybox? |
| 09:34.46 | micw | i'd like a minimal base where i can add the packages i need |
| 09:34.50 | valdyn | micw: but that is not a debian system |
| 09:35.01 | micw | so stripping it down to busybox will be a bit too few |
| 09:35.28 | micw | best would be: debian start scripts, a shell, network configuration (dhcp) |
| 09:35.39 | valdyn | micw: on that scale the debian package management tools already become a huge part |
| 09:35.56 | micw | the resulting system will not need these tools |
| 09:36.01 | micw | only the "build" system |
| 09:37.01 | valdyn | micw: im confused , what are you trying to minimise? the initrd or the pxe serving system or both? |
| 09:37.13 | micw | only the initrd |
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| 09:38.03 | valdyn | micw: libc6 alone is 11mb installed |
| 09:38.38 | valdyn | micw: the debian kernel probably 10 ( compressed anyway ) |
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| 09:39.36 | micw | yes but the system created with debootstrap is 170 mb |
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| 09:39.49 | micw | (about 130 mb when i deleted the deb archives) |
| 09:40.01 | valdyn | micw: and about how much is in /usr/share/doc ? |
| 09:40.14 | valdyn | micw: and about how much is at /usr/share/locale/ ? |
| 09:40.27 | micw | doc is 9 mb, locale 32 |
| 09:40.34 | micw | can i remove it all? |
| 09:40.42 | valdyn | micw: you can use localepurge |
| 09:41.13 | valdyn | micw: and remove the locales package the just manually remove documentation |
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| 09:41.50 | valdyn | micw: manpages? |
| 09:43.03 | micw | man is 6 mb |
| 09:43.39 | micw | installing localepurge will also install locales... |
| 09:44.01 | valdyn | micw: you can remove both later anyway |
| 09:45.08 | valdyn | micw: i dont know which packages you have else that could go away |
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| 09:47.13 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 09:47.56 | gypsymauro | I've many debian vserver guests on the same machine there is a way to centralize the apt-get update/dist-upgrade process? |
| 09:48.48 | valdyn | gypsymauro: they all have the same packages installed and the same configuration? |
| 09:49.20 | micw | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/m194c45fc |
| 09:49.27 | micw | all installes packages from debootstrap |
| 09:50.08 | gypsymauro | valdyn: uhm not exactly |
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| 09:50.54 | valdyn | micw: check if you really need: |
| 09:51.01 | valdyn | micw: c ? |
| 09:51.06 | valdyn | what the |
| 09:51.10 | valdyn | laptop-detect |
| 09:51.29 | valdyn | aptitude |
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| 09:51.54 | valdyn | manpages |
| 09:52.04 | valdyn | vim-tiny |
| 09:52.19 | valdyn | cron |
| 09:52.39 | valdyn | openbsd-inetd |
| 09:53.02 | valdyn | libstdc++6 |
| 09:53.14 | valdyn | dselect |
| 09:53.45 | micw | libstdc? |
| 09:53.57 | valdyn | micw: yes |
| 09:54.16 | micw | vim-tiny may be usefull |
| 09:54.28 | valdyn | micw: then you dont need nano |
| 09:54.31 | valdyn | micw: just one editor |
| 09:54.50 | valdyn | man-db |
| 09:54.59 | valdyn | info |
| 09:55.06 | valdyn | logrotate |
| 09:55.23 | micw | libstdc++6 will also remove apt |
| 09:55.31 | valdyn | ok |
| 09:55.36 | valdyn | got to keep it then, i guess |
| 09:55.49 | micw | i think i'll need a kind of ignore list for my initrd |
| 09:55.50 | valdyn | or remove apt and keep aptitude, but that might need libstdc++ too |
| 09:56.33 | valdyn | tasksel tasksel-data |
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| 09:57.29 | Panarchy | says Hi |
| 09:57.30 | Panarchy | How do I give full root privileges to an item on the desktop (a .desktop file)? |
| 09:57.59 | wohnout | Hello is it possible to get rid of xorg on server? |
| 09:58.01 | valdyn | Panarchy: with sudo |
| 09:58.03 | micw | what about perl-base? |
| 09:58.20 | Panarchy | valdyn: What command? Is it sudo chown 777 som.desktop |
| 09:58.26 | Panarchy | or something like that? |
| 09:58.32 | valdyn | Panarchy: what the fuck |
| 09:58.37 | valdyn | Panarchy: dont mess with permissions |
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| 09:58.53 | valdyn | Panarchy: the use of sudo is explained on the sudo manpage |
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| 09:59.24 | Panarchy | I know how to use sudo |
| 09:59.29 | Panarchy | and I know the chmod command |
| 09:59.52 | valdyn | Panarchy: obviously you dont |
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| 10:00.23 | Panarchy | The reason I'm doing this is because when I double click the icon it says: Details: Failed to execute child process (Permission denied) |
| 10:00.45 | Panarchy | I've tried giving the folder and program it's linked to priveliges |
| 10:00.47 | Panarchy | to no avail |
| 10:00.53 | Panarchy | (sudo chmod +x |
| 10:00.54 | Panarchy | ) |
| 10:00.58 | valdyn | Panarchy: and that has what exactly to do with root? |
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| 10:01.17 | Panarchy | If I give it root priviliges it won't complain |
| 10:01.32 | Panarchy | Although it may ask for a password before every run |
| 10:01.35 | valdyn | Panarchy: so you are trying to run a program that is only executable by root ? |
| 10:01.38 | Panarchy | But at least it won't complain |
| 10:01.46 | Panarchy | valdyn: Nope, it worked without root before |
| 10:01.55 | valdyn | Panarchy: what is it? |
| 10:02.05 | Panarchy | But then I uninstalled it and reinstalled it in a directory of my choosing |
| 10:02.08 | Panarchy | AutoScan |
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| 10:02.26 | valdyn | Panarchy: ls -l /path/to/AudoScan |
| 10:02.51 | Panarchy | No no no! |
| 10:03.00 | Panarchy | The main reason I'm not creating a new link |
| 10:03.04 | Panarchy | Is because of the icon |
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| 10:03.21 | Panarchy | and I'm making my own distribution, so even if I change the icon to a custom one it will change back for the live session user |
| 10:03.29 | valdyn | Panarchy: i dont care, show the output of ls -l /path/to/AutoScan |
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| 10:04.51 | Panarchy | valdyn: I'm sure it would work if I created a new link |
| 10:05.05 | valdyn | Panarchy: i dont care about the link right now |
| 10:05.08 | Panarchy | valdyn: I'm sure it would work if I created a new link, but I require to keep this old link |
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| 10:05.17 | Panarchy | oh |
| 10:05.19 | Panarchy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.21 | Panarchy | kkk |
| 10:05.32 | ^shark_ | what is otrs equivalence to usr/sbin/sendmail -i -f for postfix |
| 10:05.46 | valdyn | ^shark_: shouldnt that be the same? |
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| 10:05.54 | Panarchy | I think what you want to know is the permission of it |
| 10:06.27 | Panarchy | I think I just found my error |
| 10:06.29 | ^shark_ | valdyn: you mean usr/sbin/postfix -i -f for postfix |
| 10:06.37 | valdyn | ^shark_: no |
| 10:06.46 | valdyn | ^shark_: i mean usr/sbin/sendmail -i -f |
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| 10:07.07 | ^shark_ | valdyn: postfix has some compatibilty for sendmail? |
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| 10:07.20 | valdyn | ^shark_: every mta has some compatibilty for sendmail |
| 10:07.27 | valdyn | ^shark_: sendmail defined what an mta is |
| 10:07.34 | sorl- | what distro of debian vomes with mysql 3.23.x? |
| 10:07.40 | sorl- | comes |
| 10:07.41 | ^shark_ | valdyn: oic |
| 10:08.13 | valdyn | ^shark_: theres even /usr/lib/sendmail for that reason |
| 10:08.37 | ^shark_ | valdyn: okay thanks a lot |
| 10:08.45 | ^shark_ | valdyn: let me try it out and see. |
| 10:08.53 | sorl- | woody? |
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| 10:09.26 | Panarchy | Okay, I've made to many mistakes |
| 10:09.31 | Panarchy | I will uninstall and try again |
| 10:09.51 | valdyn | ^shark_: guess you are trying to run some sendmail only options? |
| 10:09.59 | valdyn | ^shark_: because at least exim fails to run this |
| 10:10.54 | meborc | sorl-, 3.23.x? in lenny, the client is 5.0.51a-18... i have to check "stable" |
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| 10:11.22 | Laeborg | hello |
| 10:11.28 | micw | valdyn, great, i hav stripped it down to 58 mb |
| 10:11.35 | micw | thanks a lot |
| 10:12.14 | sorl- | meborc: meborc lennny? how can I check? |
| 10:12.15 | Laeborg | everytime i try to install something usign apt-get it try to install virtualbox, how to stop that ? |
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| 10:12.45 | meborc | sorl-, i'm running elive (debian lenny + e17) and i did "apt-cache show mysql-client" |
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| 10:13.06 | meborc | sorl-, etch has - 5.0.32-7etch8 - info from - http://packages.debian.org/etch/mysql-client |
| 10:13.17 | micw | which kernel should i use? default or etchnhalf? |
| 10:13.27 | sorl- | meborc: ph yes i can check the packages... |
| 10:13.36 | sorl- | i need the 3.23 server... |
| 10:13.37 | PiousMinion | 5 hours and still compiling this darned kernel. grr |
| 10:14.50 | meborc | sorl-, then you need to find the packages and compile them yourself... :( sorry |
| 10:15.10 | sorl- | meborc: i was just thinking 2.32 was in woody maybe,.... |
| 10:15.21 | sorl- | ilol just set up a virtual machine... |
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| 10:17.39 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/m6f134b6a |
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| 10:18.26 | meborc | sorl-, yeah, it seems like woody has 3.23 |
| 10:18.31 | meborc | so you need woody iso |
| 10:18.33 | Laeborg | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:18.33 | Laeborg | virtualbox |
| 10:18.33 | Laeborg | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 10:18.46 | Laeborg | is coming everytime i use apt-get, how to stop that? |
| 10:18.56 | sorl- | meborc: thanks, ill get it then... |
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| 10:19.17 | PiousMinion | Laeborg: Do you want to keep virtualbox? |
| 10:19.24 | Laeborg | naah |
| 10:19.29 | micw | how can i get a list of files which belongs to a certain package? |
| 10:19.38 | PiousMinion | Laeborg: then uninstall it. |
| 10:19.43 | Laeborg | apt-get remove ? |
| 10:19.54 | PiousMinion | Laeborg: that will work, yes |
| 10:21.10 | Laeborg | PiousMinion: even when i runs apt-get remove virtualbox i get that error |
| 10:21.40 | PiousMinion | Laeborg: Did it remove virtualbox though? |
| 10:21.59 | themill | Laeborg: please pastebin the output and the command you gave. |
| 10:21.59 | Laeborg | nope |
| 10:22.19 | PiousMinion | Yes, paste output to pastebin please. |
| 10:22.21 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/m5db32b05 |
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| 10:23.19 | PiousMinion | That.... is interesting. |
| 10:23.32 | PiousMinion | themill: what do you think? |
| 10:23.54 | themill | Laeborg: the actual error is back at lines 13 and 14 -- that's why we need the entire error not just the last line of it |
| 10:24.36 | Laeborg | i past it all on pastebin |
| 10:25.27 | themill | I have nfc why it's complaining about its, but it looks like a case where editing the prerm script will be necessary |
| 10:26.50 | themill | Laeborg: where's this virtualbox package from? Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy virtualbox" |
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| 10:27.17 | PiousMinion | Another option would be to let it install first by providing what it's missing. installing 'build-essential' and 'module-assistant' may satisfy whatever it's looking for to compile it's module. |
| 10:27.24 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/m7d92a9d9 |
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| 10:27.45 | themill | Laeborg: that's not a debian package -- where's it from? |
| 10:28.09 | bolt-work | apt-get install m-a && m-a prepare |
| 10:28.24 | bolt-work | er. apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare |
| 10:28.30 | Nibbler` | hi there, apt is proposing to upgrade my kernel during the apt-get upgrade cmd, but i don't want to, how can i upgrade the rest without upgrading the kernel ? |
| 10:28.43 | Laeborg | http://www.debianadmin.com/create-virtual-machines-using-virtualbox-in-debian.html |
| 10:28.46 | PiousMinion | bolt-work: yes, that should do it. |
| 10:28.54 | themill | bolt-work: is that sufficient for this package? I know that will work with the debian packages, but does it work for this one? |
| 10:29.10 | bolt-work | themill: i wouldn't know. worth a shot, i think |
| 10:29.31 | PiousMinion | nods |
| 10:29.41 | themill | if that package needs m-a it should bloody well depend on it :( |
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| 10:30.34 | PiousMinion | I think it needs whatever 'm-a prepare' installs. |
| 10:30.40 | themill | Laeborg: we're just guessing here... try the things that bolt-work and PiousMinion have suggested and see if they help. You might do better of asking in #vbox though. |
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| 10:31.31 | PiousMinion | Laeborg: recap.. apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare |
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| 10:32.41 | koeien | hi all. for some reason /var/mail on my debian system is owned by root:man . is this correct? i would think root:mail is better |
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| 10:34.20 | anilg | if I have 2 deb-src lines in my sources.lst, can I tell 'apt-get source package' to get the sources from one particular repo? |
| 10:34.50 | anilg | 2 deb-src lines point to different dist repositories.. and both have the package required |
| 10:35.03 | Laeborg | didn't work |
| 10:35.19 | Laeborg | i will go out and take a zig ;) |
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| 10:36.09 | themill | anilg: you can use apt-get source -t lenny etc. You can also use package=version to specify the version. |
| 10:39.24 | anilg | themill, thanks |
| 10:39.27 | anilg | trying |
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| 10:43.15 | anilg | themill: didnt work... my deb-src lines are |
| 10:43.16 | anilg | deb-src http://apt.nexenta.org hardy-unstable main contrib non-free |
| 10:43.16 | anilg | deb-src http://apt.nexenta.org/ elatte-stable main contrib non-free |
| 10:43.16 | anilg | and apt-get source -f elatte-stable dialog gets it from hardy-unstable, and not from elatte-stable |
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| 10:43.49 | anilg | sorry, I figured 4 lines was the limit. |
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| 10:45.01 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/m2c726794 |
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| 10:45.58 | themill | anilg: I have no idea what either ubuntu or elatte have done to apt-get -- you might like to ask them for help with this. Also, it was -t not -f. And =version is a much more reliable way, but can only work if they have different version numbers in the repositories. Use the output of apt-cache policy to see the version numbers. |
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| 10:47.04 | themill | OpenSolaris kernel with Ubuntu userland? yuck. |
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| 10:48.33 | PiousMinion | Laeborg: did you try installine module-assistant and running it with the argument I gave? |
| 10:48.51 | Laeborg | i tried 'apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare' |
| 10:48.57 | PiousMinion | themill: I'm with you on that one. |
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| 10:49.09 | olspookishmagus | what file do I need to edit to handle change the default priority of dpkg-(re)configure? |
| 10:49.14 | PiousMinion | Laeborg: ...and what happened? |
| 10:49.58 | themill | PiousMinion: I'll guess that apt-get install died because the vbox postinst hadn't been completed yet |
| 10:50.30 | PiousMinion | themill: that would suck, heh |
| 10:50.43 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/m14bfcfdb |
| 10:50.46 | anilg | themill: why do you say that? |
| 10:51.01 | themill | olspookishmagus: dpkg-reconfigure debconf ; but note that if you dpkg-reconfigure after installation, you always get priority low. (check the man page) |
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| 10:53.14 | PiousMinion | Laeborg: try just this: m-a prepare |
| 10:53.26 | Laeborg | apt-get m-a prepare ? |
| 10:53.38 | Laeborg | *apt-get install |
| 10:53.58 | PiousMinion | no, just m-a prepare |
| 10:54.42 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/m7acfba5c |
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| 10:55.19 | PiousMinion | what the heck is this? --> 2.6.24.5-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 |
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| 10:56.22 | Laeborg | dont know |
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| 10:56.51 | AciD | hi, i installed a fresh lenny and noticed that gnome version is 2.22. shouldn't the gnome-display-properties show the different attached screens i have (eg. videoprojector) with that version ? |
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| 10:57.34 | AciD | if not, do you know any other mean to (easily) configure a dual-head layout ? |
| 10:58.04 | valdyn | AciD: grandr |
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| 10:58.53 | PiousMinion | Laeborg: seems my idea isn't going to work as you have some funky kernel installed which means when your funky version of vbox tried to make it's module, it couldn't find certain parts of your funky kernel to compile it and that's why we are where we are now. You're gonna have to go with themill's suggestion of editing some prrm script. |
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| 10:59.18 | AciD | valdyn > thx, i'll try that. but just so I know, are the ubuntu guys changed that gnome-display-properties to make it more like version 2.24 ? |
| 10:59.35 | olspookishmagus | themill: weird... the configuration of phpbb3 after installation is doesn't seem to be low - I get asked much more details if I execute dpkg-reconfigure phpbb3 after installation |
| 10:59.40 | valdyn | AciD: i know nothing about ubuntu |
| 10:59.51 | olspookishmagus | valdyn: good for you :) |
| 10:59.54 | valdyn | AciD: maybe they even use grandr instead of gnome-display-properties |
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| 11:00.22 | themill | olspookishmagus: it's priority low i.e. ask lots of questions (low, medium, high, ...) |
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| 11:01.48 | olspookishmagus | themill: that's what I am trying to tell you, when the configuration of phpbb3 starts after the installation I get asked LESS questions from the questions asked when reconfiguring it |
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| 11:02.13 | [twisti] | how can i make X not start on boot without uninstalling it ? |
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| 11:02.54 | valdyn | [twisti]: read /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 11:03.01 | AciD | valdyn > ah grandr, I tried that app without success yesterday. got me a black screen on my laptop and nothing on the video projector :/ |
| 11:03.16 | valdyn | [twisti]: put just false in it after you made sure you know how to restore it |
| 11:03.24 | AciD | i'll give it another try |
| 11:03.29 | monkey_d_luffy | Is there any way to disable the laptop touchpad? (hopefully via comand line) |
| 11:03.41 | [twisti] | uh |
| 11:03.47 | [twisti] | i dont want to start X at all |
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| 11:03.59 | AciD | monkey_d_luffy > there should be, i have this functionnality on my samsung nc10 |
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| 11:04.04 | valdyn | [twisti]: so? |
| 11:04.09 | AciD | monkey_d_luffy >can't recall the cmdline though |
| 11:04.19 | [twisti] | so isnt that just the window manager im turning off there ? |
| 11:04.37 | valdyn | [twisti]: where I or anyone say anything about a window manager? |
| 11:04.59 | olspookishmagus | themill: you mentioned a man page before... which one? |
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| 11:05.05 | [twisti] | the file you told me to edit contained gdm, which is if i understand correctly my window manager, no ? |
| 11:05.16 | valdyn | [twisti]: no |
| 11:05.21 | [twisti] | oh, i see |
| 11:05.30 | olspookishmagus | [twisti]: more like your Gnome Display Manager |
| 11:05.30 | [twisti] | my bad then |
| 11:08.07 | vaq | Hello, Is anybody running with suphp? I'm getting the error: "SoftException in Application.cpp:555: Directory /var/www is not owned by test" but if i set /var/www to be owned by test it then complains about Directory / is not owned by test? |
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| 11:09.17 | debian_noob | Hi |
| 11:09.39 | debian_noob | How to delete the Application menu in the WINE menu |
| 11:09.59 | olspookishmagus | themill: dpkg-reconfigure reconfigures packages after they have already been installed. Pass it the names of a package or packages to reconfigure. It will ask configuration questions, MUCH LIKE when the package was first installed. |
| 11:10.48 | debian_noob | I mean how to delete the items in Wine->Programs->? |
| 11:12.18 | debian_noob | How to delete the items in Wine->Programs-> in the Applications ,anu? |
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| 11:12.53 | debian_noob | *How to delete the items in Wine->Programs-> in the Applications menu? |
| 11:13.50 | olspookishmagus | themill: anyway I just reconfigured the debconf package... thanks a lot! |
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| 11:18.16 | CoolCold | hi |
| 11:18.35 | CoolCold | dumb question - how to get chunk size of created md array? |
| 11:18.51 | debian_noob | !greet coolcold |
| 11:18.51 | dpkg | Tag, coolcold |
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| 11:19.32 | CoolCold | i'm trying with mdadm -D /dev/md2 but has no luck |
| 11:19.57 | debian_noob | How to delete the items in Wine->Programs-> in the Applications menu? |
| 11:20.29 | liable | debian_noob: look in ~.wine |
| 11:20.33 | liable | debian_noob: look in ~/.wine |
| 11:21.11 | themill | olspookishmagus: no worries. |
| 11:21.27 | debian_noob | liable,Where under that? |
| 11:21.47 | themill | debian_noob: ~/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/ |
| 11:21.57 | liable | debian_noob: just look at the files in their, its probably an xml file |
| 11:22.02 | liable | s/their/there |
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| 11:22.59 | olspookishmagus | themill: and tha was indeed what should have been done! |
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| 11:23.05 | liable | or what themill said |
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| 11:23.29 | ramiro_ | is there a way to do: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -d ! 1.1.1.1 AND 2.2.2.2 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
| 11:23.35 | ramiro_ | -d ! 44.44.44.44 AND 55.55.55.55 |
| 11:23.47 | Ichigo | So... you come here often? |
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| 11:24.00 | Ichigo | lol! |
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| 11:26.50 | debian_noob | liable:Thanks |
| 11:26.54 | Panarchy | Is there a special command to sort through the bash-history file to find all the times I typed in ln -s |
| 11:27.49 | petemc | ^ r searches your history |
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| 11:29.36 | osFrenchDude | can I expect the 2.6.28 kernel in my beloved debian lenny one day, or I'll keep 27 as long as I keep lenny ? |
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| 11:30.25 | martian67 | osFrenchDude, you can always compile your own with few issues |
| 11:30.40 | martian67 | its not prone to terrible things happening |
| 11:30.48 | martian67 | unless you really muck about |
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| 11:31.21 | osFrenchDude | martian67: well, I was more expecting the thing to come from my package manager and then not having to compile it myself |
| 11:32.00 | fxcp | anyone here familiar with xvesa? how to disable ctrl+alt+backspace (something comparable to DontVTSwitch) in x.org? |
| 11:32.04 | martian67 | osFrenchDude, then you are going to have to be content with 2.6.28 :) |
| 11:32.10 | martian67 | errr |
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| 11:32.15 | martian67 | 2.6.7 |
| 11:32.21 | martian67 | w/e you get what i mean :) |
| 11:32.41 | osFrenchDude | martian67: ok, so if *27 one day, *27 forever... |
| 11:32.51 | martian67 | yes, its very near release |
| 11:32.53 | martian67 | it wont change now |
| 11:33.17 | martian67 | osFrenchDude, i promise you though compiling a kernel |
| 11:33.26 | martian67 | isnt nearly as bad as you think it is |
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| 11:33.31 | tolecnal_ | Panarchy: grep -e '^ln -s' .bash_history | wc -l |
| 11:33.35 | martian67 | especially if you just use debians existing config |
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| 11:33.53 | martian67 | infact its just 4 commands :) |
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| 11:34.09 | martian67 | (and no, this isnt like the gentoo joke) |
| 11:34.17 | M3ta|ph03n1X | can I get info about knoppix 6.0 live CD here ? |
| 11:34.35 | martian67 | no |
| 11:34.40 | xfel | Hi! Is a "wine" virus able to infect the Adobe flash player if I have that in the user home? Recieved a mailinglist today which they tried to open a file which called wine. |
| 11:35.11 | martian67 | xfel, pretty unlikely but not impossible |
| 11:35.20 | M3ta|ph03n1X | well, then is Xfce4.4 more stable or is LXDE more stable ? |
| 11:35.34 | M3ta|ph03n1X | Is LXDE usable enough compared to Xfce ? |
| 11:35.49 | martian67 | have never tried it |
| 11:36.04 | M3ta|ph03n1X | I used to get this bug in LXDE vanilla due to which file copy speed was just 256kbps |
| 11:36.11 | M3ta|ph03n1X | that was a few months ago |
| 11:36.21 | M3ta|ph03n1X | and it wasn't on debian |
| 11:36.48 | liable | M3ta|ph03n1X: i have it on my eee, which i dont use a whole lot, but it seems ok |
| 11:36.56 | M3ta|ph03n1X | Now Knoppix is released with LXDE. Not sure if its fine. |
| 11:37.08 | xfel | martian67: Hm, that is a predicament. Or no, ah, thank you. Change write permission of Adobe flash to root and place it in user home |
| 11:37.10 | M3ta|ph03n1X | liable: any crashes ? |
| 11:37.25 | liable | M3ta|ph03n1X: no, but i have it on debian. not knoppix |
| 11:37.36 | M3ta|ph03n1X | knoppix IS debian |
| 11:37.41 | liable | no its not |
| 11:37.42 | M3ta|ph03n1X | same repos |
| 11:37.49 | M3ta|ph03n1X | same packages |
| 11:37.50 | martian67 | !knoppix |
| 11:37.52 | M3ta|ph03n1X | so same issues |
| 11:37.57 | liable | dont even start with that |
| 11:38.03 | martian67 | yes, but their choices arnt debians choices |
| 11:38.09 | martian67 | nothing to do with us |
| 11:38.15 | martian67 | thank you please drive forward |
| 11:38.19 | datacrusher | hi fellas, is there a server like RDP, vnc for gnome? |
| 11:38.19 | datacrusher | i wanna access my debian box from home, now that we got a public vpn |
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| 11:38.19 | dtcrshr | back |
| 11:38.22 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems. |
| 11:38.34 | martian67 | xfel its easier to just put it in the global mozilla plugin dir |
| 11:38.41 | martian67 | then every user has access to it |
| 11:38.48 | martian67 | and its "safe" under roots keeping |
| 11:38.51 | valdyn | datacrusher: vino |
| 11:39.00 | datacrusher | thanks! |
| 11:39.09 | M3ta|ph03n1X | hmm... |
| 11:39.12 | datacrusher | must i install a client too? |
| 11:39.17 | datacrusher | well, ill read some about it |
| 11:39.24 | M3ta|ph03n1X | Debian Live ? |
| 11:39.28 | valdyn | datacrusher: its vnc, so you need a vnc viewer |
| 11:39.51 | M3ta|ph03n1X | for a system rescue and benchmarking CD, what version do I need ? |
| 11:39.58 | M3ta|ph03n1X | stable, testing or sid ? |
| 11:41.24 | datacrusher | [valdyn]: i see that locally someone has to allow the sessin |
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| 11:41.48 | datacrusher | ill install here to test, i need one that asks for password and so on. but if its like vns it will do fine |
| 11:41.51 | datacrusher | vnc |
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| 11:42.27 | tu | I am looking for an extensive list of scheduling algorithms - any book? wikipedia is not an option |
| 11:43.08 | liable | tu: why are you asking here? wouldn't you be best asking in a kernel or linux channel? |
| 11:43.45 | Panarchy | Hi, I'm trying to find all symbolic links I've made. So I ran this command: - history | grep 'ln -s' - However, it didn't give me a list of all the symbolic links that I have made. It only gave me a few. Is there like a quota for the bash-history file, in which case, my old history would be renamed into a separate file? If so, where is this separate file? |
| 11:44.41 | tdeath | YOU KNOW WHATS NUGGET FUXED UP IS THAT I UNDERSTOOD THOSE ASSNUGGETS THE FIRST TIME YOU TYPED THEM |
| 11:45.19 | CoolCold | and more stupid questions - is there any way to get sure device, block device, for example /dev/sda3 used by someone or not? |
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| 11:46.08 | Panarchy | Hi, I'm trying to find all symbolic links I've made. So I ran this command: - history | grep 'ln -s' - However, it didn't give me a list of all the symbolic links that I have made. It only gave me a few. Is there like a quota for the bash-history file, in which case, my old history would be renamed into a separate file? If so, where is this separate file? |
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| 11:48.59 | Panarchy | Hi, I'm trying to find all symbolic links I've made. Is there another way (other than - history | grep 'ln -s' -) that I can search for all symbolic links that I have made? |
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| 11:52.51 | gypsymauro | hi, I've installed memtest on debian lenny and the README.Debian says It is automatically registered against grub2. |
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| 11:52.59 | gypsymauro | this means that I've not to touch menu.lst? |
| 11:53.14 | Panarchy | Hi, I'm trying to find all symbolic links I've made. Is there another way (other than - history | grep 'ln -s' -) that I can search for all symbolic links that I have made? |
| 11:53.21 | jabis | Hey guise, would it be possible to have two bind servers on one machine, both hosting it's own ip address, based when two ethernet cards are assigned? |
| 11:53.28 | pablo | gypsymauro: right |
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| 11:56.30 | gypsymauro | pablo: well I've installed it and rebooted but grub doesn't shows the memtest line.. something doesn't works:) |
| 11:57.35 | [twisti] | anyone got an idea how to get rtorrent to delete the .torrent file for finished downloads ? |
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| 11:59.49 | sidh | hello everybody |
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| 12:00.44 | sidh | i have a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] wifi card on my laptop |
| 12:01.13 | sidh | and the way i do to use it with wpa_supplicant is very awful |
| 12:01.33 | sidh | is there a friendly gui to manage wifi card ? |
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| 12:01.50 | Panarchy | Okay guys, just went through a few hundred packages and found an extra 2 symbolic links. |
| 12:01.55 | liable | yes, network-manager, wicd, wifi-radar |
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| 12:03.39 | sidh | wicd doesn't exist in my source list repos |
| 12:04.21 | liable | only available in sid, there is a repo from the upstream for it if you want to try it. (you will have to google it) |
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| 12:06.51 | pablo | gypsymauro: distribution? paste your grub.lst and try grub-update |
| 12:07.25 | sidh | ok liable thank you |
| 12:08.00 | liable | sidh: network-manager is in the debian repo, and works ok afaict for that chip |
| 12:08.41 | gypsymauro | pablo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319837 |
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| 12:08.52 | gypsymauro | wtf.. |
| 12:09.26 | faffi | Hello, I have the base system of debian installed from a Lenny net install cd, i'm trying to load my nic driver which is supposed to be the intel e1000 but after loading the module I dont receive an eth0 and there is nothing in dmesg except it confirming the loading of the module |
| 12:10.09 | liable | faffi: what does lspci say? does it show you have an intel ethernet card? |
| 12:10.29 | faffi | liable: i dont even have that command which frusturates the hell out of me |
| 12:10.37 | faffi | unless its not in my path |
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| 12:10.44 | faffi | but im logged in as root |
| 12:11.04 | liable | faffi: pciutils is the package its in |
| 12:11.17 | faffi | liable: i dont have a nic card to apt-get psiutils |
| 12:11.21 | faffi | can i download a deb package of it |
| 12:11.21 | liable | though you can get the info from proc |
| 12:11.40 | faffi | how do you do that? |
| 12:12.31 | liable | i dont know where in proc it is |
| 12:12.41 | faffi | >_< |
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| 12:13.57 | faffi | well great |
| 12:14.01 | faffi | i dont even have gcc |
| 12:14.22 | petemc | oh no! |
| 12:14.37 | faffi | meh |
| 12:14.47 | faffi | tiny bit frusturating |
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| 12:15.34 | liable | faffi: if you had a full cd to install from, i reckon pciutils should be on it |
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| 12:30.18 | FSX_ | Hey if I install "linux-image-2.6.26-1-686", will debian see 2gb of RAM instead of 896MB? |
| 12:30.47 | alcohol | good afternoon all! |
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| 12:32.07 | themill | FSX_: yes |
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| 12:32.28 | FSX_ | Ok, good. Thanks themill. :) |
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| 12:35.43 | [twisti] | anyone got an idea how to get rtorrent to delete the .torrent file for finished downloads ? |
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| 12:38.32 | bolt-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.17 | alcohol | look @ rtorrent manual? |
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| 12:43.09 | [twisti] | alcohol: its terrible and most of the stuff you can do with it is completely undocumented as far as i can tell |
| 12:43.25 | alcohol | get a better client? |
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| 12:43.26 | alcohol | jeez. |
| 12:44.02 | alcohol | I'd suggest transmission, but I'm not sure if they have a commandline only version. |
| 12:44.30 | [twisti] | id happily get another client if there was one with similar capablities |
| 12:44.50 | alcohol | with GUI or cli only? |
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| 12:45.14 | [twisti] | cli only |
| 12:45.29 | [twisti] | and needs to be able to look at a watch directory |
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| 12:45.46 | alcohol | btw, #rtorrent on this network for further questions |
| 12:45.46 | alcohol | (: |
| 12:46.07 | alcohol | transmission offers all that and more, but I've only used it with GUI. I don't think it's CLI only. |
| 12:46.09 | [twisti] | holy crap, thats a big channel for something that seems to be so neglected |
| 12:46.16 | [twisti] | thanks for the tip |
| 12:47.22 | alcohol | no problem |
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| 12:48.17 | et | is there someone working on getting gcc 4.4 into unstable? |
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| 12:49.08 | themill | et: yes. it's available through the gcc-snapshot package but not ready for general use just yet |
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| 12:54.31 | et | themill: thanks |
| 12:54.43 | themill | no worries |
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| 12:55.21 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/m2778d7d4 |
| 12:56.24 | orion_x11 | How can I find which files are taking away my root space (low root disk space) from 6,4 gb? |
| 12:57.30 | petemc | du and sort |
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| 12:58.01 | bolt-work | runs off with orion_x11's disk space |
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| 12:58.27 | liable | clubs bolt-work down and returns triumphant with the disk space |
| 12:58.29 | orion_x11 | I already did: apt-get clean; autoclean; deborphan; removed an old linux-image and headers, but have still low space |
| 12:58.44 | bolt-work | orion_x11: read petemc's message |
| 12:58.49 | alcohol | orion_x11: did you empty the trash can? ;o |
| 12:58.57 | liable | hah |
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| 12:59.24 | bolt-work | runs off with liable's disk space while he's over at orion_x11's |
| 12:59.25 | bolt-work | mwaha |
| 12:59.29 | themill | orion_x11: look in /tmp, /var/log and make sure daemons that are writing to logs have been restarted since you removed old log files |
| 12:59.35 | orion_x11 | alcohol: yes. It's empty |
| 12:59.42 | alcohol | oh, okie |
| 12:59.49 | bolt-work | run du and sort already |
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| 12:59.54 | bolt-work | you'll see where the space is going |
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| 13:00.45 | themill | (sort -n not just sort) |
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| 13:02.13 | orion_x11 | themill: I think they are running because after removing all the stuff I rebooted the system |
| 13:02.34 | bolt-work | ... |
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| 13:05.02 | orion_x11 | Whe can I paste my df results for you to see? |
| 13:05.06 | orion_x11 | Where |
| 13:07.10 | themill | !paste |
| 13:07.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:07.18 | orion_x11 | http://paste.debian.net/27168/ |
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| 13:08.47 | bolt-work | orion_x11: not df, du. just look for the large numbers and investigate |
| 13:08.47 | orion_x11 | This is my problem > /dev/sda2 6.5G 6.1G 47M 100% / |
| 13:09.02 | bolt-work | orion_x11: du -sh /* |
| 13:11.59 | orion_x11 | bolt-work: The larger numbers are in home, but I have lots of space in there > /dev/sda5 83G 12G 67G 15% /home |
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| 13:12.33 | bolt-work | orion_x11: if your problem is on the root partition, you only want to look at the stuff that's taking up room on the root partition |
| 13:12.52 | bolt-work | orion_x11: anything on another partition isn't important right now |
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| 13:15.08 | [twisti] | i can watch a video from the network drive on my debian box, but when it runs bittorrent, the video playback gets skippy. is there a way i can make the network file transfer have priority over other stuff ? |
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| 13:15.57 | orion_x11 | bolt-work: http://paste.debian.net/27169/ |
| 13:16.12 | bolt-work | [twisti]: have you tried just increasing the buffer size of mplayer? or whatever application you're using? |
| 13:16.24 | orion_x11 | I think if found the problem > 5.2G/usr |
| 13:16.36 | orion_x11 | What to do now? |
| 13:16.46 | bolt-work | orion_x11: now you do du -sh /usr/* |
| 13:16.48 | bolt-work | simple :) |
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| 13:17.14 | bolt-work | keep going until you figure out what's taking up all the space, then delete your porn directory |
| 13:17.44 | socroa | hi, which package holds the driver for SONY 4x dvd? |
| 13:18.27 | petemc | none, the kernel will support that out of the box |
| 13:18.53 | orion_x11 | http://paste.debian.net/27171/ |
| 13:18.56 | bolt-work | unless it's connected to some weird sata card or somesuch |
| 13:19.10 | orion_x11 | Problems > /usr/share e /usr/libs |
| 13:19.27 | bolt-work | orion_x11: you don't need to show us every result. just trace it down and figure out what it is |
| 13:19.41 | orion_x11 | ok |
| 13:20.00 | orion_x11 | can I remove all libs then? |
| 13:20.05 | Panarchy | Does anyone here know if I build the latest (4.76) NMap from source, and thus replacing (by ln -s) the .deb installation of NMap (4.68), will Zenmap (4.68) still run properly? |
| 13:20.59 | bolt-work | Panarchy: probably. do you really need anything that's in 4.76 though? |
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| 13:21.39 | Terminus- | [twisti]: you might want to check out the iproute package. i believe it has tc in it. it's not so simple to configure but it can do bandwidth shaping. |
| 13:21.55 | socroa | petemc: great, i can go all the way to mounting it but i don't seem to be able to read the medium in it. |
| 13:22.06 | [twisti] | its not a badnwidth issue, its a hdd or cpu speed issue |
| 13:22.13 | petemc | socroa: does said medium work in other drives? |
| 13:22.16 | bolt-work | [twisti]: man nice |
| 13:22.24 | socroa | petemc: yes. |
| 13:22.26 | [twisti] | i watch the file over network, while bittorrent runs over dsl |
| 13:22.33 | bolt-work | [twisti]: man nice |
| 13:22.41 | bolt-work | sorry. wrong keystroke |
| 13:22.41 | [twisti] | yeah, i got it, im already on it |
| 13:22.45 | orion_x11 | What do I do which /usr/share and /usr/libs? |
| 13:22.56 | Terminus- | [twisti]: oh right. XD |
| 13:23.10 | orion_x11 | for me to get more free space in my root? |
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| 13:23.14 | bolt-work | orion_x11: check what's in them perhaps? |
| 13:23.55 | Panarchy | bolt-work: Definitely |
| 13:24.01 | [twisti] | what process should i use nice with ? smbd ? |
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| 13:24.07 | Panarchy | Does anyone here know if I build the latest (4.76) NMap from source, and thus replacing (by ln -s) the .deb installation of NMap (4.68), will Zenmap (4.68) still run properly? |
| 13:24.19 | Panarchy | Bolt-Work: A lot of nice features added in the latest version |
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| 13:24.57 | bolt-work | Panarchy: if nobody here answers that, just give it a shot. should be completely reversible |
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| 13:26.32 | themill | orion_x11: have a look at what's in /usr/src. There's 100MB there that you probably don't need. |
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| 13:28.15 | rajeshsr | hi, wen i boot into the system, i find that sometimes, i don't get the audio working. |
| 13:28.27 | rajeshsr | whenever i play some songs, am not able to hear it.. |
| 13:28.39 | rajeshsr | seems alsa is running.. |
| 13:28.52 | bolt-work | rajeshsr: check your mixer and/or the modules loading correctly. check dmesg and any bootlogs too |
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| 13:29.24 | orion_x11 | themill: Ok |
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| 13:30.10 | rajeshsr | bolt-work, dmesg didn't reveal anything about this problem |
| 13:30.16 | Panarchy | bolt-work: Here's something interesting. The shortcut for ZeNMap on the desktop gave crashed. However I can run it without any hassle by typing in sudo zenmap into terminal... weird, huh? And when I tried to make a symbolic link to my desktop, then double clicked on the link I had made, it didn't work! |
| 13:30.24 | themill | orion_x11: but you have a massive amount of stuff installed. Look in aptitude for packages that you don't really use and try uninstalling some stuff. Or look for automatically installed packages that you no longer need (e.g with autoremove or deborphan) |
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| 13:31.54 | bolt-work | sorry, i don't use a desktop |
| 13:31.59 | rajeshsr | bolt-work, How to check if modules are loaded properly? |
| 13:32.08 | bolt-work | rajeshsr: lsmod |
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| 13:32.21 | bolt-work | rajeshsr: do you know which modules should be loaded for your card? |
| 13:32.31 | bolt-work | rajeshsr: also, have you checked the mixer? |
| 13:32.35 | bolt-work | rajeshsr: might simply be muted |
| 13:32.56 | Panarchy | bolt-work: Here's something interesting. The shortcut for ZeNMap on the desktop gave crashed. However I can run it without any hassle by typing in sudo zenmap into terminal... weird, huh? And when I tried to make a symbolic link to my desktop, then double clicked on the link I had made, it didn't work! |
| 13:33.44 | bolt-work | Panarchy: sorry, i don't use a desktop. couldn't tell you why it wont work |
| 13:34.10 | Panarchy | FIXED IT |
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| 13:35.03 | Panarchy | It was installed to the GNOME menu with a new icon in the internet section, deleted the link on my desktop and dragged that one down to the desktop. WORKS PERFECTLY |
| 13:35.22 | Panarchy | YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY |
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| 13:36.04 | rajeshsr | bolt-work, no problem with sound mixer. How am i to use lsof here? I don't know about the modules resposible for my audio! |
| 13:36.37 | Gigantic | is there any other way to see what preocesses are runing apart ot top and ps and of course all these tools based on tose? |
| 13:36.56 | alcohol | Gigantic: apt-get install htop |
| 13:37.18 | alcohol | Gigantic: or, ps aux |
| 13:37.50 | Gigantic | Something is using my cpu, and delivers big amounts of internet traffic while ps and top show nothing, netstat show a bunch of adls connections... this smells bafd to me |
| 13:38.05 | Gigantic | htop is based in top isn't it |
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| 13:41.42 | Gigantic | in otherr words I neeed an alternate tool I can trust |
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| 13:44.54 | Gigantic | wth is that ej |
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| 14:10.08 | orion_x11 | themill: Do you think if I remove Kde would be a good way of getting free space on root? |
| 14:10.16 | orion_x11 | But, I like amarok |
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| 14:12.22 | themill | orion_x11: if you have more than one desktop environment installed, then that will certainly chew up disk space for you. You don't need all of KDE installed to use amarok though. |
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| 14:12.42 | themill | orion_x11: Other things to get rid of if you don't use them are gcc (you might have multiple versions installed) and java (you may have multiple runtimes installed) |
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| 14:13.55 | orion_x11 | themill: so, which is the command? apt-get remove kde? But, I think that many things will be left. Or dpkg --purge kde? |
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| 14:14.46 | rasuaq | hi all, new here to debian...i was looking to put it on my machine but had a question on winamp alternative for linux. i remember having xmms on an older OS mandrake 8.0 i beleive with xmms. i really liked xmms but then i upgraded to a later version and i guess xmms is only supported for gtk1, is there now a compatible xmms with a gtk on newer kernel or debian? |
| 14:15.02 | liable | !remove kde |
| 14:15.03 | dpkg | [remove kde] aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data |
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| 14:18.10 | valdyn | rasuaq: everything is an itunes lookalike now adays |
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| 14:19.03 | rasuaq | valdyn: ugh i hate itunes |
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| 14:19.27 | valdyn | rasuaq: whats wrong with it? |
| 14:20.15 | CoolCold | how write cache should be disabled for scsi drives? |
| 14:20.17 | rasuaq | valdyn: i'm just so used to winamp, i do use it to sync my nano, that's about it |
| 14:20.18 | abrotman | it's shiny |
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| 14:20.37 | abrotman | CoolCold: your controller probably ? |
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| 14:20.52 | EF_Codd | ah, I love those ubuntuers |
| 14:20.52 | CoolCold | erm |
| 14:21.00 | valdyn | xmms is not even in debian anymore |
| 14:21.04 | valdyn | at least not lenny |
| 14:21.05 | abrotman | audacious! |
| 14:21.09 | CoolCold | i think this is per drive setting, isn't it? |
| 14:21.21 | abrotman | CoolCold: ask #hardware .. i don't think it's an OS problem |
| 14:21.24 | valdyn | iirc xmms2 looks nothing like xmms |
| 14:21.43 | abrotman | valdyn: it's not remotely the same .. it's more a client/server thing IIRC |
| 14:21.45 | rasuaq | hmm, yet i was googling that just now |
| 14:21.59 | valdyn | abrotman: yea it is, but i mean the interface |
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| 14:22.11 | valdyn | abrotman: audacious has a crappy interface and is skinnable like xmms? |
| 14:22.24 | abrotman | valdyn: that's part of the point .. they put a ton of work into the server bit, and the clients can be whatever |
| 14:22.31 | abrotman | valdyn: audacious has the same interface as xmms |
| 14:22.35 | rasuaq | valdyn: can you still get xmms, not xmms2 to work with debian? |
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| 14:22.45 | abrotman | rasuaq: which version of debian ? |
| 14:22.47 | valdyn | rasuaq: try audacious |
| 14:23.22 | valdyn | rasuaq: audacious is like the gtk2 version of xmms i guess, at least forked off the gtk2 version of xmms |
| 14:23.24 | rasuaq | abrotman: i'm not sure, i guess the latest version on debian.org, i was going to try it out |
| 14:23.28 | abrotman | audacious isn't as snappy as xmms .. but the interface will be close enough that you won't be lost |
| 14:24.29 | abrotman | rasuaq: etch?lenny?stable?testing? |
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| 14:25.24 | rasuaq | abrotman: stable 4.0 |
| 14:25.32 | abrotman | judd: versions xmms |
| 14:25.32 | judd | abrotman: xmms -- etch: 1:1.2.10+20061101-1etch1 |
| 14:25.38 | abrotman | rasuaq: etch still has xmms |
| 14:25.43 | abrotman | judd: versions audacious |
| 14:25.44 | judd | abrotman: audacious -- etch: 1.2.2-4 lenny: 1.5.1-4 sid: 1.5.1-4 |
| 14:25.45 | Gigantic | reads gtk and makes this face: ¬¬ |
| 14:25.49 | abrotman | and audacious |
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| 14:25.54 | valdyn | uh |
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| 14:26.02 | valdyn | xmms really just has no amd64 port |
| 14:26.05 | abrotman | rasuaq: so you can try them both |
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| 14:26.22 | valdyn | or judd lies? |
| 14:26.31 | Gigantic | nobody mentions vlc? |
| 14:26.35 | abrotman | no .. |
| 14:26.43 | abrotman | valdyn: i think judd just looks for any version for any arch ? |
| 14:26.45 | oira | hi, how do i change my hostname? i have changed /etc/hostname but it still does not display my name in the terminal, like root@mynewhostname |
| 14:26.45 | rasuaq | valdyn: i have amd64, what do u mean by port? |
| 14:26.51 | abrotman | judd: versions xmms --arch amd64 |
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| 14:26.51 | judd | abrotman: xmms -- etch: 1:1.2.10+20061101-1etch1 |
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| 14:27.20 | soul9 | how can i pin multiple packages? |
| 14:27.23 | valdyn | abrotman: its not in my repositories |
| 14:27.46 | abrotman | valdyn: pdo says xmms exists for amd64 also |
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| 14:28.02 | abrotman | !tell soul9 about pinning |
| 14:28.08 | soul9 | tried "Package: foo, bar, fubar" and "Package: foo bar fubar" and neither work |
| 14:28.21 | soul9 | !tellme ;-) |
| 14:28.24 | valdyn | abrotman: its not available neither lenny amd64 nor i386, for me |
| 14:28.33 | valdyn | !why is xmms not in testing |
| 14:28.33 | dpkg | xmms is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xmms |
| 14:28.55 | valdyn | abrotman: check that link ^^ |
| 14:28.57 | abrotman | valdyn: oh, yeah, i thought you meant etch, xmms is gone from lenny/sid .. he said he has etch |
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| 14:29.01 | soul9 | abrotman: thx |
| 14:29.08 | valdyn | abrotman: yea |
| 14:29.24 | abrotman | because they're trying to kill gtk1 from what i gather |
| 14:29.31 | valdyn | yep |
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| 14:29.55 | abrotman | i mean what .. gtk2 has only been out for like 5 years ... |
| 14:29.56 | oira | it should not be that hard i dont think |
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| 14:30.05 | oira | my previous dist i only edited /etc/hosts |
| 14:30.08 | oira | /etc/hostname |
| 14:30.16 | oira | that was it |
| 14:30.16 | abrotman | !tell oira about hostname |
| 14:30.23 | soul9 | gah |
| 14:30.31 | soul9 | so you can't pin multiple packages? |
| 14:30.39 | oira | oh i need to restart |
| 14:30.46 | Gigantic | what does it mean when bugs have a crossline? |
| 14:30.50 | valdyn | oira: no, relogin |
| 14:31.02 | oira | valdyn: ive done that |
| 14:31.09 | oira | rather resshed in |
| 14:31.16 | abrotman | Gigantic: on bugs.d.o ? i think they've been closed |
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| 14:31.42 | abrotman | waves at blondie |
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| 14:32.06 | oira | valdyn: abrotman made the bot tell me about hostname, and it says "$EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot" |
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| 14:32.12 | oira | so i think it means i need to reboot |
| 14:32.24 | oira | if not change the hostname with "hostname newhostname" |
| 14:32.25 | valdyn | oira: it doesnt |
| 14:32.27 | Gigantic | abrotman: oh ya |
| 14:32.34 | oira | valdyn: then the bot lied |
| 14:32.48 | valdyn | oira: it means you need to reboot for that setting to be read |
| 14:32.56 | Gigantic | !badbot |
| 14:33.12 | oira | yes to verify that it works i would need to reboot, or use the command "hostname newhostname" |
| 14:33.24 | oira | but that comand would not read from my /etc/hostname file |
| 14:33.26 | valdyn | oira: yes |
| 14:33.27 | abrotman | oira: if you just want your shell to change, that's one thing, but i think if you want all services etc to be aware, you'd either have to restart them, or reboot |
| 14:33.41 | enouf | blondie? where? |
| 14:33.42 | oira | abrotman: yes i assumed this as well. |
| 14:33.50 | oira | i have services too |
| 14:33.53 | oira | so i will reboot |
| 14:34.11 | oira | thanks abrotman |
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| 14:35.17 | enouf | what good is changing a hostname for a shell? |
| 14:35.33 | petemc | so you know which box you're on |
| 14:36.02 | enouf | how silly - my prompt tells me that |
| 14:36.30 | petemc | thats what i meant, what does "for a shell" mean in this context? |
| 14:36.57 | enouf | <abrotman> oira: if you just want your shell to change ... <-- whatever that meant |
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| 14:46.02 | E-bola | I'm trying to decide if i should put my virtual debian machine on a NAS or on the hosting servers internal disks. |
| 14:46.14 | E-bola | Is there some tool that i can use to test the number of operations a disk in debian supports? |
| 14:46.36 | E-bola | if i take a simple hdparm readspeed test, the nas is faster, but im guessing it has a lower IOPS value |
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| 14:47.24 | abrotman | enouf: just that services wouldn't see it |
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| 14:47.27 | abrotman | AFAIK |
| 14:47.30 | cusco | hi all |
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| 14:49.06 | irnodefn | "CoolCold: your controller probably ?" (c) abrotman |
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| 14:49.26 | abrotman | irnodefn: excuse me? |
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| 14:49.40 | DogWater | Howdy, Does anyone have a working preseed or example they can share with me? |
| 14:49.48 | DogWater | (for a net install) |
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| 14:49.58 | abrotman | DogWater: the installation manual has a good reference for that |
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| 14:51.04 | cusco | Im in windows right now (oh no!) ... I would like to boot netinstall from a usb flash drive |
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| 14:51.25 | cusco | how do I place teh iso on the usb flash drive and make i bootable? |
| 14:51.27 | DogWater | does anyone know if debian such as ubuntu fails to install on disks which have LVM or RAID spanned across multiple physical disks? |
| 14:51.32 | valdyn | E-bola: you want to just test access times? |
| 14:51.36 | valdyn | E-bola: seek times even |
| 14:51.36 | tczern | hello: is "fftw3f" and "root-plugin-fftw3" the same thing with different names? I actually need "libfftw3f" in my debian system but cannot find it |
| 14:52.13 | E-bola | valdyn: mm well access time is not the only factor in how many IOPS a storage device has? |
| 14:52.34 | E-bola | Im not that experienced in storage stuff, so im just trying to figure out how i can see which device is best usited to run my virtual machine |
| 14:52.49 | valdyn | E-bola: well, its a combination of seek times and transfer speed |
| 14:53.01 | valdyn | E-bola: and you already tested transfer speed |
| 14:53.09 | E-bola | valdyn: and some sort of controller/disk penalty/advantage ? |
| 14:53.29 | valdyn | E-bola: what do you mean? |
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| 14:54.10 | E-bola | I thought that the controller was a big factor in deciding the io operations per second |
| 14:54.19 | E-bola | but i guess it may be expressed by the access time as well |
| 14:54.21 | valdyn | E-bola: no, not at all |
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| 14:54.31 | E-bola | but i mean i cant just meassure transfer speed and access time |
| 14:54.41 | valdyn | E-bola: nothing in your computer is remotely as slow as seek times on whatever disk |
| 14:54.45 | E-bola | since it also depends on how many reads/writes at a time there is? |
| 14:54.55 | d-b | why not |
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| 14:55.19 | abrotman | E-bola: you could much with bonnie++ |
| 14:55.19 | E-bola | the access time will vary depending on the load on the disk? |
| 14:55.27 | abrotman | not sure that will be very accurate |
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| 14:55.44 | E-bola | valdyn: what would you recomend i use to find the access time's of my devices? |
| 14:55.50 | valdyn | E-bola: even network latency in a lan is 1/50th the time of disk seek |
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| 14:56.15 | valdyn | E-bola: is your nas a block device? |
| 14:56.18 | abrotman | assuming a properly functioning network :) |
| 14:56.19 | enouf | E-bola: find an app called dt (datatest) through google |
| 14:56.26 | ringo999 | whats a good program to edit eps files with? Gimp should do it or? |
| 14:56.33 | Mark17 | hello, is it possible to specify what eth0:xxx the cli packet whois should use per whois query? i did install the whois packet with apt-get install whois |
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| 14:57.02 | E-bola | enouf: looks good |
| 14:57.04 | E-bola | let me test it |
| 14:57.45 | valdyn | Mark17: you are on the wrong layer |
| 14:57.46 | E-bola | shame there isnt a debian package :P |
| 14:58.00 | enouf | hence; google |
| 14:58.12 | valdyn | Mark17: routing or more advanced routing via iptables |
| 14:58.50 | E-bola | my problem is, we have a virtual host which has a very overloaded internal raid, so im trying to run a machine on an iscsi attached raid instaid |
| 14:58.58 | E-bola | my problem is how to determine which is fastest |
| 14:59.17 | valdyn | E-bola: by running the actual workload |
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| 14:59.29 | valdyn | E-bola: why are you trying to use a benchmark instead of that? |
| 14:59.39 | Mark17 | valdyn: i want to specify it per time i do a whois query |
| 14:59.47 | valdyn | Mark17: silly |
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| 15:00.24 | valdyn | Mark17: what is that supposed to be useful for? |
| 15:00.32 | Mark17 | because i have 5 ips connected to a single server and for 1 ip i have a higher limit for a certain (most used by me) whois server |
| 15:00.43 | Mark17 | other users on that server are not allowed to use that higher limit |
| 15:00.44 | E-bola | valdyn: the workload has to many exterior variables for me to be able to meassure it properly |
| 15:00.57 | Mark17 | and it is not for the first ip, but for an additional ip |
| 15:01.01 | E-bola | its an antispam gateway, which depends on alot of exterior lookups etc, that i cant control the latency of |
| 15:01.15 | E-bola | so i have to make up some generic benchmarks |
| 15:01.25 | valdyn | E-bola: you didnt answer: is that nas available as a block device? |
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| 15:01.36 | valdyn | E-bola: or is it an nfs share or ... ? |
| 15:01.43 | Mark17 | valdyn: so it is usefull or i need to start a proxy for it :( |
| 15:02.06 | E-bola | valdyn: sory, must have missed it. Debian runs on the device so to speak. Its virtualised, so debian dont know if its running ont he internal raid or on the iscsi |
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| 15:02.24 | valdyn | E-bola: so you could benchmark that block device.. |
| 15:02.33 | E-bola | valdyn: thats what im trying to do |
| 15:02.42 | E-bola | debian see's it as /dev/hda |
| 15:02.51 | valdyn | E-bola: http://www.linuxinsight.com/how_fast_is_your_disk.html |
| 15:02.53 | E-bola | i've run hdparm on it, and am now trying to meassure the access time of it |
| 15:03.02 | valdyn | E-bola: theres a neat little program to measure seeks |
| 15:03.18 | E-bola | Uhh thats a good page :) |
| 15:03.23 | E-bola | Looks like just what im doing hehe |
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| 15:03.37 | valdyn | E-bola: i like seeker.c |
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| 15:04.24 | E-bola | valdyn: it seems easier to compile than the dt program enouf sugested atleast :) |
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| 15:05.59 | E-bola | Results: 46 seeks/second, 21.52 ms random access time |
| 15:06.01 | E-bola | ouch hehe |
| 15:06.46 | valdyn | E-bola: but run several and compare how performance degrades or not |
| 15:07.00 | E-bola | I think it will be as suspected |
| 15:07.04 | ronr | hi, there's a debian machine here that just freezes up frequently (daily), I can't find anything in syslog, X just goes completely black (no response to CTRL+ALT+F1) and networking is dead... any clue how I can figure out what's the problem |
| 15:07.14 | E-bola | the iscsi raid has much better sequential read/write performance |
| 15:07.23 | E-bola | but access time wise the internal raid, eventhough its overloaded wins |
| 15:07.33 | E-bola | the iscsi box was afterall build for backup |
| 15:07.34 | valdyn | E-bola: it will probably also support concurrency better |
| 15:07.48 | E-bola | I wonder if i can do anything to improve access time |
| 15:08.03 | E-bola | Results: 95 seeks/second, 10.47 ms random access time |
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| 15:08.21 | E-bola | Thats the result if i run the seeker program on the iscsi box it self, im supprised it so bad |
| 15:08.25 | valdyn | E-bola: more spindels the better |
| 15:08.32 | E-bola | its a software raid5 with 4x 1,5tb sata disks |
| 15:08.48 | Mark17 | valdyn: but it is not possible to set the eth0:xxx it has to use for a certain whois query or a whois query from a certain user? |
| 15:08.49 | E-bola | tries to run seeker on a real hp raid on another box |
| 15:08.56 | valdyn | E-bola: thats value is what you can expect |
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| 15:09.22 | valdyn | Mark17: you can set routes, you dont work with interfaces, you work with routing |
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| 15:10.09 | Mark17 | valdyn: it is to the same server and all ips are in the same subnet... |
| 15:10.26 | valdyn | E-bola: that raid should be better for concurrent seeks anyway, as long as the i/o is not to big |
| 15:10.41 | ronr | http://pastebin.com/m67be308f <- does this mean "harddisk is broken, get new harddisk"? |
| 15:10.50 | E-bola | decent hp raid -> Results: 208 seeks/second, 4.79 ms random access time |
| 15:10.58 | E-bola | I guess this is why we normally use hw raid :) |
| 15:11.07 | valdyn | ronr: tat is not a harddisk |
| 15:11.34 | ronr | valdyn: ok, what is it than? |
| 15:11.38 | E-bola | I wonder how much if the access time penalty thats introduced by the network pentalty of iscsi |
| 15:11.39 | valdyn | E-bola: no |
| 15:11.54 | valdyn | E-bola: that is because the disk in that hp server has like 15k rpm |
| 15:12.06 | valdyn | E-bola: and the one in your software raid 7200 |
| 15:12.12 | Mark17 | or i would need to specify that if it makes a connection to a certain port to use a certain IP and use a different port |
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| 15:12.18 | valdyn | E-bola: not to mention their prices |
| 15:12.54 | tczern | how can I find fftw3, it doesn't show in synaptic manager, thanks! |
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| 15:13.17 | E-bola | valdyn: ohh true + the interface is SAS instaid of sata |
| 15:14.11 | E-bola | realises he can test the iscsi disks seperately, to rule out the software raid penalty |
| 15:14.46 | [twisti] | any recommendations as far as irc-bouncers go ? im looking for something thats mostly super stable |
| 15:15.07 | muddd | tczern, http://packages.debian.org/etch/fftw3 |
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| 15:15.47 | tczern | muddd: will I just need to add this to my repositories? Thanks! |
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| 15:16.20 | muddd | its already there, libfftw3-3 |
| 15:17.29 | tczern | I found it now, are the header files for this too or is this all I need? |
| 15:18.05 | muddd | depends on what yer doing but if you need more you know where to find it now |
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| 15:19.09 | muddd | bbl |
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| 15:20.25 | tczern | I searched for libfftw3f and fftw3f, putting the f at the end caused no search results, thanks again! |
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| 15:27.52 | enouf | fastest fourier transform (in the) west fuck? |
| 15:28.04 | enouf | oh ..wait 3 fucks |
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| 15:30.22 | klbate | Does anyone elses nm-applet talk like Yoda? |
| 15:30.30 | klbate | "Disconnected the network connection has been" |
| 15:31.04 | DogWater | Hi there, I just created a preseed file which pretty much answers all of the install questions i have it set to load in my pxelinux configuration file but the installer still asks me a bunch of mundane questions, does anyone have any ideas what i maybe did wrong? |
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| 15:36.16 | lord_rob | Hi ! I've just installed Lenny with the new installer on a new machine. I'd like to disable (or at least to loosen) the integrated firewall. How do I do that ? |
| 15:36.42 | newsense | lord_rob: no firewall is setup by default |
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| 15:37.21 | lord_rob | newsense then how comes I can't ping uk.debian.org but www.google.com ? |
| 15:37.41 | klbate | Is there a uk.debian.org? |
| 15:37.43 | lord_rob | (uk.debian.org resolves ok) |
| 15:37.51 | klbate | I get "unknown host": |
| 15:37.52 | klbate | . |
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| 15:38.25 | klbate | www.uk.debian.org works OK though. |
| 15:39.05 | newsense | lord_rob: i can resolve it and ping it |
| 15:39.18 | lord_rob | hmmm sounds strange |
| 15:39.30 | lord_rob | I'm trying to update my sources.list |
| 15:39.42 | newsense | lord_rob: what does host uk.debian.org return ? |
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| 15:39.46 | lord_rob | but debian mirrors are unavailable |
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| 15:40.25 | lord_rob | the problem is that I can't access the machine atm |
| 15:40.41 | valdyn | ronr: cdrom |
| 15:42.05 | lord_rob | but hey why not doing the install by ssh |
| 15:42.16 | lord_rob | I'll do that |
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| 15:42.36 | lord_rob | the problem is that I have only one screen for 2 PC |
| 15:42.46 | ronr | valdyn: thx |
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| 15:43.21 | mmestnik | lord_rob: Use serial. |
| 15:43.56 | lord_rob | serial ? |
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| 15:45.18 | DogWater | Does anyone know when 'auto mode' was added to the debian installer? |
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| 15:47.42 | Humanoid2 | I did not change my configuration, or change any files, but suddenly Xorg won't start anymore. |
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| 15:47.58 | valdyn | lord_rob: plenty servers work just fine, but you cant ping them |
| 15:48.24 | Humanoid2 | The last line in the log is always "FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
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| 15:49.01 | Humanoid2 | It looks like some file got corrupted, but which one? |
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| 15:50.30 | jamesstanley | I just tried to change my password and I got the message 'Bad: new password is too simple' |
| 15:50.35 | jamesstanley | How can i turn this off? |
| 15:52.23 | ronr | jamesstanley: modify /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 15:52.26 | jamesstanley | thanks |
| 15:52.42 | DeSian | how to create .MO file from .PO file with gettext? |
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| 15:53.02 | valdyn | jamesstanley: hopefully your name is hard to guess then |
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| 15:53.13 | valdyn | jamesstanley: or that box is not on the internet |
| 15:53.16 | DeSian | found it thanx |
| 15:53.16 | jamesstanley | valdyn: it wasn't my name |
| 15:53.19 | DeSian | :D |
| 15:53.25 | jamesstanley | it was a pseudo-random string of 6 lowercase characters and digits |
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| 15:53.50 | valdyn | jamesstanley: why to weak then? i guess to short |
| 15:53.58 | jamesstanley | common-password says min=4 |
| 15:54.03 | valdyn | jamesstanley: not something bots would guess though |
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| 15:54.30 | ronr | try pam_passwdqc and about everything under 12 chars is too weak :) |
| 15:54.54 | valdyn | safe way to annoy your users, i bet |
| 15:55.01 | newsense | i use 15 upper/lower/numeric/and special characters |
| 15:55.09 | jamesstanley | and i am able to remember my password |
| 15:55.10 | jamesstanley | i win |
| 15:55.22 | ronr | I even annoyed myself with it to the point of kicking it out again |
| 15:55.34 | simonrvn | jamesstanley: you can turn it off by making a better password and reducing your account being cracked by a dictionary attack. |
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| 15:55.43 | ronr | told everyone they didn't have to follow the password rules once they figured out how to disable the checking :) |
| 15:55.46 | Farhadix | hi guys, I wanna compile kernel 2.4.26 for debian sarge. my network card is broadcom 4400, this netcard isn't in Ethernet list of kernel.witch module must load to drive bcm4400? need a patch? |
| 15:55.49 | simonrvn | reducing the chances of * |
| 15:56.03 | jamesstanley | Well I'd rather it just accepted any password |
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| 15:56.19 | Farhadix | s/witch/which |
| 15:56.23 | jamesstanley | I'm capable of deciding what I consider to be a safe password without some stupid machine enforcing it's own policy on me |
| 15:56.25 | simonrvn | too short, min. 8 i bet |
| 15:56.34 | ronr | jamesstanley: than just disable the cracklib line altogether |
| 15:56.39 | jamesstanley | i think i've done that |
| 15:56.41 | jamesstanley | testing now |
| 15:56.53 | jamesstanley | now it won't even let me change my password |
| 15:57.04 | jamesstanley | [~] passwd |
| 15:57.04 | jamesstanley | passwd: Permission denied |
| 15:57.04 | jamesstanley | passwd: password unchanged |
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| 15:57.55 | jamesstanley | done it now |
| 15:57.58 | jamesstanley | thanks guys |
| 15:58.12 | jamesstanley | changed it to just: |
| 15:58.18 | jamesstanley | password required pam_unix.so |
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| 16:00.02 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, good morning! |
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| 16:01.52 | selfdestruct | jelly, good morning to you as well lol |
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| 16:02.30 | jelly | hi. It's around end-of-workday here though |
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| 16:02.42 | selfdestruct | jelly, ahh i see. |
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| 16:04.00 | selfdestruct | jelly, so SSH still works on my server. However, I tried the sftp only thing and it worked. I then wanted to try a chroot ssh using the openssh server's chroot ability. whenever i tried to login via ssh, it would say /bin/bash (or whatever shell i picked) does not exist. |
| 16:04.28 | selfdestruct | I know you have to copy a bunch of stuff to the chroot jail and I copied it all |
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| 16:04.33 | selfdestruct | used a script actually. |
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| 16:07.35 | jelly | that shouldn't be needed for sftp |
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| 16:07.56 | gigo | hi. is there no qmail package for Debian? |
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| 16:08.19 | jelly | selfdestruct: read about ForceCommand and internal-sftp |
| 16:08.23 | selfdestruct | jelly, i know. i wanted to try ssh |
| 16:08.30 | gigo | I wonder why is it absent even though there are Debian packages made for qmail by someone: http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/ |
| 16:08.36 | selfdestruct | jelly, the sftponly thing works great |
| 16:08.39 | jelly | selfdestruct: oh, that's what you said |
| 16:08.42 | jelly | good |
| 16:09.17 | selfdestruct | jelly, i wanted to try ssh :-P But every time i try and login using ssh, it says my shell doesn't exist |
| 16:09.45 | jelly | I guess for a shell you'd need to create a whole chroot environment, with a shell, the libraries needed, at least some files in /dev ... |
| 16:09.59 | selfdestruct | jelly, I did create one lol |
| 16:10.06 | selfdestruct | jelly, but it still says it can't find it. |
| 16:10.14 | DogWater | Does anyone here use preseeding to do installations with the kernel's auto option? |
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| 16:10.46 | selfdestruct | jelly, and i know it works because it's the same directory structure i used for a regular chroot-shell environment |
| 16:10.49 | Panarchy | hi guys |
| 16:10.53 | Panarchy | Yes, I'm still working on my Linux distribution! |
| 16:10.54 | selfdestruct | jelly, the one i started off with |
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| 16:11.43 | selfdestruct | jelly, so what I'm actually doing now, is playing with access control lists |
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| 16:14.41 | irnodefn | "how do I place teh iso on the usb flash drive and make i bootable?" (c) cusco |
| 16:14.48 | cusco | hi |
| 16:15.19 | cusco | I am looking for a way to install debian without the need of a blank cd (I have none) |
| 16:15.20 | jelly | irnodefn: u uses rawrite2.exe 2 rite it kk |
| 16:15.32 | newsense | irnodefn: dd if=the.iso of=/dev/yourusbdrive |
| 16:15.36 | cusco | I am in windows right now and I am considering the "goodbye microsoft" option |
| 16:15.52 | newsense | irnodefn: make it bootable by setting your bios to boot from usb |
| 16:16.03 | cusco | inigo_work: that was me |
| 16:16.05 | cusco | oops |
| 16:16.08 | cusco | irnodefn: |
| 16:16.16 | inigo_work | :) |
| 16:16.23 | cusco | (is he a bot?) |
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| 16:16.36 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-67-181-74-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by abrotman |
| 16:16.36 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 16:16.41 | abrotman | irnodefn: msg me when you turn off whatever that is |
| 16:17.02 | cusco | well it actually answered me |
| 16:17.09 | abrotman | cusco: no it didn't |
| 16:17.25 | cusco | my problem now is that I cannot boot from sd card.. can boot from a usb flash drive however it has only 500MB |
| 16:17.27 | Eulex | cusco, if you have an usb drive see what newsense wrote above, otherwise take a look at http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 16:17.34 | DogWater | abrotman: Hi there, do you ever use preseeding? |
| 16:17.41 | Eulex | cusco, use a netinst, those are ~180mb |
| 16:17.51 | abrotman | DogWater: i have, but i already pointed you toward the manual |
| 16:18.05 | cusco | Eulex: my problem is how do I put the iso on teh flash drive and make it bootable - from windows? |
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| 16:18.27 | mquin | goto 27 |
| 16:18.30 | DogWater | abrotman: oh, yeah I know and I appreciate that, i found a rather full example on the preseed file itself. i was wondering if you know if the 'auto' kernel argument is available in etch or not? it doesnt seem to work. |
| 16:18.54 | DogWater | abrotman: the argument referenced here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-auto |
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| 16:19.18 | abrotman | DogWater: that manual says it is, and it's for stable .. |
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| 16:20.03 | cusco | y question about goodbye microsoft is - will it install normal grub afterwards and ditch grub for dos? |
| 16:20.12 | DogWater | ah, have you ever used that particular function? i tried passing it the url to my preseed file and it simply did nothing whatsoever |
| 16:20.25 | Eulex | cusco, no idea, sorry. you might want to google for rawrite. |
| 16:20.25 | DogWater | i'm using the latest netboot image |
| 16:21.01 | Eulex | cusco, regarding that goodbye microsoft thingy, it is not an official debian installer and people in here probably don't know much about it... |
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| 16:24.04 | cusco | Eulex: I tried rawwrite ... it says there are no floppies and quits |
| 16:24.13 | cusco | and I had bad luck with dd for windows |
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| 16:27.41 | Eulex | cusco, rawrite, not rawwrite. googling rawrite leads to a page containing info about rawrite and related programs. you may be able to find something suitable there. |
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| 16:28.56 | cusco | sorry eulex I think I misread rawrite before... |
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| 16:29.00 | cusco | thanks, will try that now |
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| 16:33.42 | cusco | rawrite says it cannot figure out how many sectors/tracks for taht device |
| 16:33.47 | cusco | :-( |
| 16:34.01 | streuner | so use another floppy? |
| 16:34.13 | cusco | its not a flopy, its a usb flash drive lol |
| 16:34.55 | streuner | !listvals rawrite |
| 16:34.56 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rawrite' by value (1): rawwrite. |
| 16:35.09 | streuner | !rawwrite |
| 16:35.10 | dpkg | RawWrite is a <rawrite> utility which operates under modern Windows versions - ftp://ftp.debian.org/tools/rwwrtwin.zip See also <win32 dd>. |
| 16:35.23 | cusco | rawwrite only allows me to list floppys |
| 16:35.42 | cusco | dd for windows is giving me headaches |
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| 16:36.11 | streuner | Isnt rawrite only for floppies? |
| 16:36.22 | cusco | I guess so |
| 16:37.10 | streuner | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RaWrite |
| 16:37.23 | streuner | sure, so what do you want to do anyway? |
| 16:37.55 | cusco | I have no blank cd's to burn a netinstall |
| 16:38.08 | cusco | and I am alittle afraind of goodbye microsoft |
| 16:38.19 | streuner | so how about to just buy CDRW? |
| 16:38.42 | streuner | !listkeys rawrite |
| 16:38.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rawrite' by key (2): rawrite ;; #debian rawrite. |
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| 16:40.30 | cusco | no money |
| 16:41.54 | cusco | I guess I will go with goodbye microsoft then |
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| 16:43.20 | clusty | hey |
| 16:43.25 | clusty | got a small question |
| 16:43.55 | clusty | how can I find it the UUID of a device or how it is called? |
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| 16:45.32 | Samuel-NotAFK | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.47 | Samuel-NotAFK | s/213/231/ |
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| 16:46.14 | newsense | clusty: vol_id /dev/*** |
| 16:46.24 | streuner | !uuid |
| 16:46.24 | dpkg | somebody said uuid was a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions (among other things). See currently-known partition UUIDs with "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid". In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst as use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. This helps cope with device name changes such as changing from hda to sda (libata transition) or changes in the order in which USB disks are discovered. |
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| 16:47.57 | clusty | newsense, is it normal that after a reboot my raid card was recognized form /dev/sdc to /dev/sda ? |
| 16:48.27 | newsense | clusty: its not abnormal |
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| 16:48.45 | valdyn | clusty: an uuid is taken from the filesystem |
| 16:48.56 | clusty | newsense, is the uuid a safer way to refer to disks? |
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| 16:49.15 | Samuel-NotAFK | stew: What does +e do? |
| 16:49.20 | valdyn | clusty: an uuid cant refer to a disk directly |
| 16:49.21 | stew | Samuel-NotAFK: exception to a ban |
| 16:49.36 | clusty | valdyn, i mean inside fstab |
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| 16:49.54 | valdyn | clusty: so say filesystem when you mean it |
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| 16:50.05 | clusty | valdyn, on some other ubuntu machine fstab contains just uuid's and not direct /dev/sdxy |
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| 16:50.15 | valdyn | clusty: yea |
| 16:50.27 | clusty | valdyn, my bad. i meanst fs and not disk |
| 16:51.10 | valdyn | clusty: you probable changed kernel on that reboot too |
| 16:51.11 | newsense | clusty: the uuid will always be unique to that fs and the device node may change |
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| 16:52.02 | valdyn | clusty: not all fs support uuid, if you use ext3 its fine |
| 16:52.06 | Samuel-NotAFK | There's a 232MB file in my root directory named 20. What is the purpose of this file? |
| 16:52.19 | clusty | valdyn, ext3 and swap |
| 16:52.35 | valdyn | clusty: no idea if swap works with this |
| 16:52.38 | Posterdati | hark: I solved the problem with the hp scanner |
| 16:52.56 | clusty | swap is not critical |
| 16:53.02 | valdyn | clusty: you should see that in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ anyway |
| 16:53.07 | clusty | but the database sever is mounted on a raid partition |
| 16:53.07 | rwaite | wow, dd-wrt has the most confusing website ive ever encountered |
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| 16:57.59 | jamesstanley | anyone know how to have multiple options in a bash script if statement? |
| 16:58.11 | jamesstanley | i want: |
| 16:58.13 | beardy | !absg jamesstanley |
| 16:58.13 | dpkg | jamesstanley: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'aptitude install abs-guide'. |
| 16:58.18 | jamesstanley | ok thanks |
| 16:58.25 | beardy | jamesstanley: elif is what you want to look for |
| 16:58.31 | jamesstanley | no it's not |
| 16:58.35 | jamesstanley | i hadn't described what i wanted :P |
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| 16:58.53 | jamesstanley | atm i have if who | grep max, i want it to match for max or rory |
| 16:58.59 | jamesstanley | i'll have a look in the guide |
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| 17:02.00 | nivanson | Hi, I had a system freeze today on my server, leaving me to a hard restart. Can I find out any information about what caused this freeze? |
| 17:02.02 | beardy | jamesstanley: Done like that, you need to grep twice, and type it out twice. if [[ $(who | grep max) == 0 || $(who | grep rory) == 0 ]] |
| 17:02.05 | beardy | !bashfaq |
| 17:02.05 | dpkg | methinks bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 17:02.14 | jamesstanley | beardy: i've done it now |
| 17:02.17 | jamesstanley | using egrep instead |
| 17:02.21 | beardy | jamesstanley: Ok. |
| 17:02.25 | jamesstanley | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.27 | beardy | jamesstanley: Well.. yeah. |
| 17:02.34 | beardy | Good. |
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| 17:02.40 | jamesstanley | well thanks |
| 17:02.49 | beardy | Much nicer that what I said. |
| 17:03.28 | beardy | I need sleep, eventually. |
| 17:03.37 | valdyn | Samuel-NotAFK: that file has no business being there |
| 17:03.56 | ronr | Janhouse: btw, finger <user> | grep "On since" would be more relyable, (say you got a user max2_ |
| 17:04.00 | Samuel-NotAFK | valdyn: What is its purpose? |
| 17:04.02 | ronr | jamesstanley: I mean |
| 17:04.10 | valdyn | Samuel-NotAFK: how would i know that? |
| 17:04.21 | jamesstanley | ronr: i only have 3 users including myself ;) |
| 17:04.25 | jamesstanley | and it's only a temporary thing |
| 17:04.29 | jamesstanley | it really has no use after today |
| 17:04.38 | jamesstanley | but thanks |
| 17:04.45 | valdyn | Samuel-NotAFK: its the result of a bug or of a mistake or of someones intention |
| 17:05.04 | Samuel-NotAFK | valdyn: I remember seeing the error message "the file process has unexpectantly failed" when I logged into KDE. |
| 17:05.20 | valdyn | Samuel-NotAFK: kde as root? |
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| 17:05.30 | valdyn | Samuel-NotAFK: who beside root can write to / on your system? |
| 17:05.31 | Samuel-NotAFK | valdyn: No. |
| 17:05.37 | beardy | finger isn't a base package afaik. 'last username' and grep for "still logged on" perhaps though, if one likes. |
| 17:05.38 | Samuel-NotAFK | valdyn: Nobody. |
| 17:05.43 | Samuel-NotAFK | valdyn: I removed it now. |
| 17:05.54 | valdyn | Samuel-NotAFK: find out what that file is.. |
| 17:06.04 | Samuel-NotAFK | sam@sam-laptop:~$ file /20 |
| 17:06.04 | Samuel-NotAFK | /20: ASCII English text |
| 17:06.19 | valdyn | Samuel-NotAFK: now read it |
| 17:06.32 | Samuel-NotAFK | valdyn: I can't open it with nano. |
| 17:06.38 | Samuel-NotAFK | It's too big. |
| 17:06.52 | beardy | FWIW I prefer w over who though. |
| 17:07.28 | valdyn | this reminds me of that bug or feature in razor |
| 17:07.35 | jamesstanley | beardy: cool. never seen w before |
| 17:07.36 | valdyn | which unbelievably logs to / |
| 17:07.59 | aib42 | is there a way to drop into a minimal system shell from the netinst CD so I can install a system manually? I only need fdisk, debootstrap and apt-get, really. |
| 17:08.20 | valdyn | aib42: you dont need to drop there, thats the default |
| 17:08.31 | valdyn | aib42: you only need to unselect any task in tasksel |
| 17:08.38 | valdyn | aib42: you should know when you are at tasksel |
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| 17:09.00 | aib42 | valdyn: oh, the netinst CD doesn't install anything else before tasksel ? |
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| 17:09.04 | valdyn | aib42: ( actually the default is a little more, but not that much ) |
| 17:09.08 | aib42 | s/install/do |
| 17:09.14 | valdyn | aib42: you get to have nano |
| 17:09.22 | valdyn | aib42: but really not alot of stuff |
| 17:09.33 | beardy | The netinst does, the "big" one, but not the businesscard image. (?) |
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| 17:09.44 | valdyn | beardy: yes |
| 17:09.46 | n-iCe | hi |
| 17:10.00 | aib42 | I think it's the big one. I'm not sure, though. |
| 17:10.19 | aib42 | but really, all I need is fdisk, mkfs, ethernet drivers and apt |
| 17:11.15 | aib42 | how permanent is my choice of locale in the installer? does it carry on to the new system? |
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| 17:11.29 | valdyn | aib42: yea, but it can be changed |
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| 17:11.31 | valdyn | !locales |
| 17:11.31 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 17:11.50 | aib42 | actually, I just realized I have no idea how locales work in Debian (or linux in general). any resources on that? |
| 17:11.58 | aib42 | okies |
| 17:12.18 | beardy | aib42: The language you want in the installer doesn't affect, but the locales you generate.. are of course generated for your system you are installing. |
| 17:12.59 | valdyn | aib42: gnu software uses locales, see gnu for docs i guess, different packages use their own stuff |
| 17:13.08 | beardy | aib42: But it probably autoselects the locales after the language you choose to use in the installer. |
| 17:13.32 | valdyn | aib42: about everything will respect the locale environment variables |
| 17:13.45 | valdyn | aib42: actuallly, i meant gnu uses gettext etc |
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| 17:13.50 | aib42 | but of course, I can change my locale afterwards. |
| 17:13.57 | beardy | Yep. |
| 17:14.42 | gigo | can qmail and sendmail be used as SMTP servers? |
| 17:15.03 | gigo | I read that qmail and sendmail are MTAs. Is MTA and SMTP different things? |
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| 17:15.11 | aib42 | does Debian use a systemwide locale or a user-specific one? and does that alter keyboard mapping and console fonts? |
| 17:15.12 | valdyn | gigo: they're both smtp servers, they are both not recommended in debian |
| 17:15.28 | gigo | what is recommended by Debian then? |
| 17:15.30 | valdyn | gigo: an mta provides the sendmail command additionally to smtp |
| 17:15.31 | beardy | gigo: That is what they are, yes. MTA means Mail Transfer Agent. SMTP is the protocol they use to Transfer mail. |
| 17:15.43 | valdyn | gigo: exim4 is the default and postfix is recommended too |
| 17:16.13 | gigo | so qmail, sendmail and exim4 are MTA as well as SMTP? |
| 17:16.20 | valdyn | gigo: no |
| 17:16.29 | valdyn | gigo: i said _additionally_ |
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| 17:16.42 | valdyn | gigo: they are mta, which implies that they talk smtp |
| 17:16.47 | gigo | I have used sendmail to send mails to my gmail address. here the gmail was the SMTP server, not my sendmail. |
| 17:16.58 | gigo | so how is sendmail SMTP server then. it was an SMTP client in this case. |
| 17:17.02 | valdyn | gigo: thats good |
| 17:17.02 | stew | gigo: MTA is a Mail Transfer Agent. something that is responsible for moving mail to and from a machine to an MTA on another machone. the protocol most often used between MTAs is SMTP |
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| 17:17.32 | gigo | so that means sendmail is an MTA because it moved my mail from localhost to gmail. |
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| 17:18.13 | stew | gigo: sure. and it could probably receive mail for you too. the protocol used to send mail to gmail was probably SMTP |
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| 17:18.38 | gigo | ok |
| 17:18.43 | sepski | gigo, yes. but sendmail is also a command that exsists in other MTA's like exim and postfix, so you can have a sendmail command even if you dont use the real sendmail MTA |
| 17:18.44 | beardy | gigo: It depends what role they play. If your end sends a mail, you are the client, if someone connects to you to deliver a mail, your end acts as the server. |
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| 17:19.18 | gigo | why would exim depend on sendmail? doesn't exim know to transfer mails by itself? |
| 17:19.28 | valdyn | gigo: it doesnt |
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| 17:19.33 | stew | gigo: exim does not depend on sendmail, it conflicts with sendmail |
| 17:19.36 | valdyn | gigo: it provides sendmail |
| 17:20.00 | gigo | so, I don't understand this: <sepski> gigo, yes. but sendmail is also a command that exsists in other MTA's like exim and postfix |
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| 17:20.09 | gigo | it means, that exim and postfix offer their own sendmail commands? |
| 17:20.09 | beardy | gigo: It doesn't. Like was just said, sendmail is an alias in many MTAs, for script compability, and backwards compability for many things. |
| 17:20.15 | stew | gigo: it provides a "/usr/sbin/sendmail" command for compatibility with programs that expect to be able to send an email by running a "sendmail" command |
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| 17:20.27 | gigo | oh! |
| 17:20.28 | valdyn | gigo: once upon a time the program sendmail defined what a standard mta does in linux |
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| 17:20.38 | valdyn | gigo: so any mta will provide that feature |
| 17:21.01 | stew | and this is why they all conflict with eachother, as you can only have one of them providing /usr/sbin/sendmail at a time |
| 17:21.12 | gigo | ok, my heartfelt thanks to you all for clarifying this huge confusion in my mind. |
| 17:22.22 | stew | gigo: and unless you have good reason, we'd recommend you avoid qmail and sendmail, and instead choose between exim4 and postfix |
| 17:22.48 | beardy | gigo: exim4 that is the default MTA in Debian, you already have installed. |
| 17:22.53 | gigo | ok |
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| 17:23.15 | gigo | my requirement is something else. I want to make a mailing list. But I don't have a system connected 24 hours to internet. |
| 17:23.22 | gigo | so, I want a package or software that can run as a simple mail client (i.e. POP3 + SMTP client) and emulate a mailing list. |
| 17:23.40 | gigo | so every night, I'll keep my system on for 5 hours and it will process all pending mails. |
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| 17:24.07 | gigo | it will connect to my GMail account foo@gmail.com, download all mails and relay them to subscribers |
| 17:24.13 | gigo | is such a package available in Debian? |
| 17:24.42 | dgodfather | Hi everyone. please help me with configuring bridge network interface. i get very hard time with it. i run this script -> http://pastebin.com/m66cd6066 |
| 17:24.59 | dgodfather | and it seems to succeed but i have no network. |
| 17:25.22 | dgodfather | can anyone help me configure the bridge correctly so i can get out of my network with bridging? |
| 17:27.10 | Athunye | I'm having this problem (samba). Only in my linux/debian boxes. http://pastebin.com/d1c7fe2d2 I windows I do not get any error or warning message. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 17:39.45 | valdyn | Athunye: why is that a problem? what is the underlying filesystem? |
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| 17:41.42 | Athunye | valdyn: That messages are quite annoying. The file underling file system is ext3 both in server and client. |
| 17:42.22 | Athunye | Oh... My english embarrasses me... |
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| 17:43.29 | valdyn | Athunye: in general, samba is the wrong tool to share files between or for unix |
| 17:44.01 | Athunye | valdyn: Hmm. I admit I was thinking about nfs... |
| 17:44.01 | valdyn | Athunye: im not certain about this error , however windows does not support unix permissions |
| 17:44.28 | Athunye | valdyn: Hmm. I get those warning only in linux clients, not in Windows ones. |
| 17:44.29 | valdyn | Athunye: ( and probably not all the timestamps either ) |
| 17:44.37 | valdyn | Athunye: that is what im saying |
| 17:44.46 | Athunye | OK. |
| 17:44.50 | valdyn | Athunye: windows is not even trying to use those timestamps or permissions |
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| 17:45.26 | zinx | I don't think CIFS supports unix-style times/permissions/ownership :/ |
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| 17:46.55 | pickcoder | I don't think it does either |
| 17:47.02 | pickcoder | NFS! |
| 17:47.17 | Athunye | Then I'll use nfs for GNU/Linux clients and samba for Windows ones. |
| 17:47.29 | Athunye | Thank you guys. |
| 17:47.39 | simonrvn | should've done that in the first place ;). |
| 17:48.07 | pickcoder | hindsight 20/20 |
| 17:48.42 | stoned | good morning |
| 17:49.03 | stoned | well 1 am morning |
| 17:49.10 | DogWater | does anyone here have an example of a preseed configuration file which works on netboot and installs without any questions? |
| 17:49.12 | stoned | pm |
| 17:49.29 | DogWater | I modified the example in the documentation and it asks several questions still |
| 17:49.36 | stoned | DogWater, you can find an example linked in the install guide |
| 17:49.56 | DogWater | stoned: yes, it still asks what mirror i want to use even though its included in the preseed file, etc |
| 17:50.05 | stoned | DogWater, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 17:50.30 | Athunye | And the "late" smbfs was better for sharing from unix clients ? (just curious) |
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| 17:52.36 | DogWater | stoned: yeah i've been through all of that already and i still cant find answers to a few questions |
| 17:52.53 | simonrvn | the debconf docs might |
| 17:53.08 | stoned | all the config options are listed there I think |
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| 17:53.33 | simonrvn | judd: versions debconf-doc |
| 17:53.34 | judd | simonrvn: debconf-doc -- etch: 1.5.11etch2 lenny: 1.5.24 sid: 1.5.24 |
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| 17:54.43 | jhamlin | I'm trying to unmount a sshfs directory but I get "device is busy". how do I use lsof to figure out what process is accessing a certain directory? |
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| 17:55.07 | simonrvn | lsof /that/path |
| 17:55.18 | Impossible | I just setup my first debian box (first linux box actualy) on a compaq dl360 (g1) and i think i have asked grub to install on the wrong partion |
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| 17:55.44 | sepski | gigo, i assume a lot here, but i think you can run mailman locally it will recive mail to your list address and relay to all recipients. and send them out using exim. |
| 17:55.51 | Impossible | when i boot up and let it boot by itself i get a message of "no operating system" but when i press f10 (system bios select) it shows the grub boot loader |
| 17:55.53 | sepski | and you can use fetchmail to grab mail from gmail to local |
| 17:55.54 | jhamlin | simonrvn: I get "WARNING: can't stat() fuse file system" |
| 17:56.03 | Impossible | df |
| 17:56.09 | gigo | sepski, is mailman a package? |
| 17:56.14 | simonrvn | you need to configure exim for mailman |
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| 17:56.44 | simonrvn | jhamlin: so trace out the process instead |
| 17:56.53 | simonrvn | grep for it from lsof output |
| 17:57.12 | gigo | sepski, doesn't mailman require an SMTP and POP server running locally? |
| 17:57.37 | gigo | my SMTP and POP servers is gmail.com and my mailing list is foo@gmail.com |
| 17:58.11 | simonrvn | um you can't use mailman with gmail... |
| 17:58.17 | sepski | pop is used by the recipient to fetch mail |
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| 17:58.29 | simonrvn | i.e., the list can't be hosted by gmail |
| 17:58.51 | sepski | gigo, pop server is not nessecary |
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| 17:59.06 | gigo | how would the client download the mails without POP? |
| 17:59.11 | sepski | you would need a smtp server to send the mails out tho |
| 17:59.16 | sepski | but you have that in exim allready |
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| 17:59.33 | jhamlin | simonrvn: thanks! that did it |
| 17:59.33 | sepski | the clients would download the mail with pop, but not from your mailman server |
| 17:59.34 | gigo | can exim fetch mails sent to foo@gmail.com ? |
| 17:59.40 | sepski | mailman just copies and admins the list. |
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| 17:59.43 | simonrvn | jhamlin: :) |
| 17:59.43 | stew | gigo: POP would no be involved at all in running a mailing list |
| 17:59.56 | sepski | mailman give it to exim to send to all the mail servers around the world |
| 17:59.57 | gigo | i am not running a typical mailing list. |
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| 18:00.17 | sepski | how your recipients fetch their own mail from their own mailserver can be any kind of way including pop |
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| 18:00.30 | simonrvn | !pop3 |
| 18:00.30 | dpkg | POP3 is a really pesky way to get email, especially if you have lots of it. An evil thing most people on the internet are stuck with whether they like it or not. See <fetchmail>. telnet your.pop3.server.org pop3 |tee -a mymails; user foo; pass ****; list; retr 1; dele 1; quit. Also see RFC1939 |
| 18:00.33 | gigo | I want my mailing list to be foo@gmail.com. a subscriber sends mail to foo@gmail.com. My software downloads the mail from gmail and relays it to all subscribers as foo@gmail.com |
| 18:00.35 | simonrvn | !smtp |
| 18:00.35 | dpkg | [smtp] simple mail transport protocol. rfc2821, or port 25 |
| 18:00.43 | sepski | gigo, i recomend you configure exim to use gmail, or your isp's mailserver as a smarthost |
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| 18:01.18 | simonrvn | ...and maybe do some reading on what the mail protocols are and do |
| 18:01.36 | gigo | i don't have access to isp's mailserver. also, I have a local IP in my PC: 192.168.1.3 which is NATted to a public IP |
| 18:02.09 | sepski | gigo, then use gmail as smarthost |
| 18:02.24 | gigo | what is a smarthost? |
| 18:02.55 | sepski | gigo, a smarthost is a properly configured mailserver |
| 18:03.22 | gigo | ok, will exim be fetching mails from gmail.com or gmail.com will be sending mails to my local exim4? |
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| 18:03.42 | sepski | gigo, neither. you must use fetchmail if you want to pull messages from your gmail to your exim. |
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| 18:04.02 | selfdestruct|afk | you can use google apps gigo |
| 18:04.04 | sepski | gigo, but it's a horrible setup |
| 18:04.12 | selfdestruct|afk | and set the dns records for your domain to point to google's mail servers |
| 18:04.14 | sepski | just use a different domain. |
| 18:04.20 | sepski | or google aps .. |
| 18:04.26 | selfdestruct|afk | i use google apps on 5 websites |
| 18:04.27 | BleSS | hi! does anybody knows any software to build organigrams? |
| 18:04.30 | selfdestruct|afk | it works like a charm |
| 18:04.41 | selfdestruct|afk | http://www.google.com/apps |
| 18:04.44 | selfdestruct|afk | it's idiot-proof |
| 18:04.46 | gigo | selfdestruct|afk, what do you use it for? for hosting mailing lists? |
| 18:04.55 | sepski | BleSS, dia, xfig, graphviz.. |
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| 18:05.12 | BleSS | sepski: thanks |
| 18:05.24 | selfdestruct|afk | gigo, no, but i'm sure you can accomplish that with it. what are you using now for a mailing list? and is it one-way? 1 email from you to multiple recipients? |
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| 18:05.54 | gigo | no, subscribers subscribe to the mailing list by sending a command in subject |
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| 18:06.08 | gigo | after that any mail from subscriber to foo@gmail.com is relayed to all subscribers |
| 18:06.19 | selfdestruct | oh. |
| 18:06.28 | selfdestruct | gigo, it's a two way mailing list? |
| 18:06.38 | selfdestruct | gigo, people can respond back to all the other users? |
| 18:06.51 | gigo | yes |
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| 18:06.55 | selfdestruct | gigo, why dont you use a forum? |
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| 18:07.09 | slak | hi |
| 18:07.17 | gigo | because I want to be a mailing list. I am just seeing whether it is possible or not. |
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| 18:07.18 | slak | perl -e 'print crypt("password", "salt"),"\n"' im confused as to what the salt is |
| 18:07.23 | AliTarihi | Anyone know how should I solve the Load Cycle Count bug on debian? |
| 18:07.28 | selfdestruct | slak, salt is whatever you want |
| 18:07.29 | slak | if im trying to create an encrypted pw, for use with useradd |
| 18:07.39 | slak | selfdestruct: how does it reflect on my plaintext pw |
| 18:07.48 | slak | is it password+salt? |
| 18:07.50 | selfdestruct | slak, it makes it impossible to create a rainbow table for the passwords |
| 18:07.51 | gigo | It should be possible if a simple thunderbird client or something can fetch mails, read subject lines, process subscription requests and forward mails to the list of all subscribers |
| 18:07.53 | selfdestruct | slak, yes |
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| 18:08.01 | gigo | but i don't know whether there is any tool out there which can do all this |
| 18:08.12 | slak | so my userpw is going to be the sum of 'password' and salt? |
| 18:08.19 | selfdestruct | slak, no |
| 18:08.22 | jelly | AliTarihi: what is the Load Cycle Count bug? |
| 18:08.25 | selfdestruct | slak, what happens is this |
| 18:08.38 | slak | thanks |
| 18:08.43 | selfdestruct | slak, your password is encrypted in a database or whatever with your password + salt |
| 18:08.45 | AliTarihi | jelly: The parking of the hdd in the APM. |
| 18:09.02 | AliTarihi | jelly: a.k.a the hard killer bug |
| 18:09.06 | selfdestruct | slak, when you enter your password from now on, the program removes the salt value from the database and compares the two |
| 18:09.16 | jelly | AliTarihi: you could disable PM for that device with hdparm, I guess |
| 18:09.20 | slak | ok |
| 18:09.24 | selfdestruct | slak, salt is just so that if someone gets your database of passwords they can't break them |
| 18:09.31 | selfdestruct | slak, unless they know the salt. |
| 18:09.36 | slak | so where is the salt stored |
| 18:09.45 | selfdestruct | slak, in the config file |
| 18:09.45 | slak | do i need to "import" the salt? |
| 18:09.50 | AliTarihi | jelly: That is certainly an option. But would shorten the life of my hdd. |
| 18:09.50 | slak | which config file |
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| 18:10.07 | selfdestruct | slak, usually isn't necessary. it's wherever you found ("password","salt") |
| 18:10.15 | AliTarihi | jelly: so technically a trade of but I want another solution :D |
| 18:10.26 | slak | but doesnt the system need to know the value of salt |
| 18:10.28 | selfdestruct | gigo, i'd just look up on google "mailing list managers" |
| 18:10.33 | savvas | how do I add the patch tag in debian bugs? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473781 - I tried "Tags: patch" and tags 473781 +patch |
| 18:10.37 | selfdestruct | slak, yes, it's in the config file lol |
| 18:10.39 | savvas | but didn't work |
| 18:10.51 | selfdestruct | slak, the program uses a stored variable for salt |
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| 18:10.55 | slak | ok so im supposed to use the salt that is predefined on my OS in some config file? |
| 18:11.12 | selfdestruct | slak, what application are you trying to use these passwords in |
| 18:11.14 | slak | i need to generate a crypt pw for use with many accounts that im creating |
| 18:11.15 | slak | a default pw |
| 18:11.19 | slak | useradd |
| 18:11.22 | gigo | selfdestruct, there are many. but I am not getting something that can run on my desktop just like any other mail client like thunderbird, etc. but with the extra functionality of processing subject lines and managing a list of subscribers and forwarding mails to them. |
| 18:11.27 | jelly | AliTarihi: why do you think disabling power mgt in the drive would shorten its life? |
| 18:11.35 | slak | basically i need to set a default pw for all these users |
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| 18:11.45 | selfdestruct | slak, then why do you need salt? |
| 18:11.54 | slak | because i thought thats how crypt works |
| 18:11.59 | stew | selfdestruct: the salt is stored with the password, it is not stripped before comparing the password |
| 18:12.05 | selfdestruct | slak, you dont *have* to have it |
| 18:12.09 | selfdestruct | stew, yes, i said that earlier |
| 18:12.14 | slak | alright |
| 18:12.15 | AliTarihi | jelly: no parking = spinning = higher temp and lower life cycle |
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| 18:13.08 | selfdestruct | stew, when it compares the md5 or whatever, it knows the salt value |
| 18:13.08 | unsolo | i have a problem with apache and httpcache |
| 18:13.08 | stew | selfdestruct: yes, and when someone gets the database of passwords, they know them too |
| 18:13.08 | slak | so if i wanted to encrypt abc123!@# or whatever to use a default pw for the 100 users im adding, i can just use perl -e 'print crypt("password"),"\n"' ? |
| 18:13.08 | unsolo | it keeps creating so many files i cant even delete them |
| 18:13.09 | selfdestruct | stew, not if the salt is stored in a file, it's not stored plaintext in the DB |
| 18:13.35 | selfdestruct | slak, there's a wikipedia article about it |
| 18:13.36 | stew | selfdestruct: which db are you talking about? |
| 18:13.54 | simonrvn | and there's ways around that.... |
| 18:13.55 | selfdestruct | stew, evidently slak is talking about /etc/passwd |
| 18:14.06 | selfdestruct | unsolo, go to #apache |
| 18:14.14 | stew | selfdestruct: the salt is stored in plaintext in that file |
| 18:14.14 | selfdestruct | unsolo, they might be of assistance |
| 18:14.23 | Athunye | How could we say, instead of a distro being user-friendly, user-(something that does not hide things from the user) ? |
| 18:14.32 | stew | selfdestruct: well ususally its in shadow, instead of passwd, but whichever contains the password contains the salt in plaintext |
| 18:14.48 | aib42 | how can I add permanent entries to menu.lst that would survive an update-grub ? |
| 18:14.57 | selfdestruct | stew, ahh. at first i thought he was talking about a mysql database of encrypted passwords |
| 18:15.00 | jelly | AliTarihi: oh. So what would you suggest instead? |
| 18:15.04 | simonrvn | aib42: it says so in the file |
| 18:15.04 | selfdestruct | stew, which is what i'm used to working with |
| 18:15.06 | pasky | Hi. This might sound crazy, but please bear with me - that's the setup and I want to make minimal changes to it now. :-) I have 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userspace lenny, but now I would need to make one application 64-bit - can I install 64-bit userspace in parallel to the 32-bit one easily? |
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| 18:15.25 | aib42 | simonrvn: d'oh. and here I was looking at the man page.. |
| 18:15.29 | stew | selfdestruct: in shadow, my password looks something like: $1$b1U1An1u$Pza51BirutTdCoLtxTTVB. ; in that case, the salt is b1U1An1u |
| 18:15.43 | Eulex | pasky, I don't believe so |
| 18:15.48 | themill | grabs the rainbow tables... |
| 18:15.48 | selfdestruct | stew, ahh. |
| 18:15.57 | selfdestruct | themill, lol |
| 18:16.03 | AliTarihi | jelly: That is why I ask here :) |
| 18:16.06 | selfdestruct | themill, :-P |
| 18:16.09 | AliTarihi | no idea for now |
| 18:16.15 | nivanson | Hi, I had a system freeze today on my server, leaving me to a hard restart. How do I find out what caused this freeze? |
| 18:16.18 | jelly | themill: you already have tables for that salt? Wow. |
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| 18:16.25 | themill | jelly: heh |
| 18:16.28 | selfdestruct | nivanson, log files? |
| 18:16.51 | nivanson | selfdestruct: What log files could that be? |
| 18:17.09 | jelly | pasky: a chroot should be doable. Not sure about the "easily" requirement. |
| 18:17.26 | selfdestruct | nivanson, should be under /var/log, i think someone else would know which one is the system log. syslog i think? |
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| 18:17.55 | slak | so selfdestruct im not any clearer on how to generate an encrypted pw for my useradd -p paramter |
| 18:18.10 | slak | can you clarify |
| 18:18.16 | pasky | jelly: not really :) i think kernel patch for uswsusp compatibility ioctls will be the easiest way aftera ll ;) |
| 18:18.20 | selfdestruct | slak, are you using a different password for everyone? |
| 18:18.23 | slak | same |
| 18:18.27 | jelly | AliTarihi: I think it's better to make it spin the whle time a machine is powered than to let it spin down and up every (small number of minutes) |
| 18:18.29 | stew | slak: "mkpasswd -H MD5 thepassword" |
| 18:18.38 | slak | thanks |
| 18:18.41 | jelly | pasky: why not? |
| 18:18.45 | slak | debian has mkpasswd huh |
| 18:18.54 | stew | slak: in the whois package |
| 18:18.57 | stew | of course |
| 18:18.59 | jelly | pasky: which app? |
| 18:19.01 | slak | thanks |
| 18:19.28 | AliTarihi | jelly: for now I've set the spin down to a high value. |
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| 18:19.49 | stew | slak: the idea of salt is this. if you didn't use it, passwords would always encrypt the same way. so for instance, if "foo" crypted as "12345" then anytime someone saw "12345" they would know the password is "foo" |
| 18:19.52 | selfdestruct | jelly, yes spin-ups and downs kill a drive. |
| 18:20.03 | stew | slak: this allows them to build dictionairies and be able to reverse the hashes |
| 18:20.14 | slak | right |
| 18:20.16 | selfdestruct | jelly, if it's cooled properly, and it's kept spinning, it puts the least amount of strain on the drive motor |
| 18:20.16 | slak | thanks stew |
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| 18:20.27 | stew | slak: insead of encrypting "foo" it adds some "salt" which is 8 random characters, so it instead encrypts "asdfwertfoo" |
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| 18:20.40 | jelly | AliTarihi: something on my laptop does a hdparm -B 254 for me, but I can't figure out what right now. (and it's not /etc/init.d/hdparm ;-) |
| 18:20.56 | stew | slak: this makes the size of a dictionary needed to reverse the hash prohibitively large |
| 18:21.07 | selfdestruct | stew, and multiple words can equal the same hash value :-P |
| 18:21.17 | jelly | selfdestruct: 's why I asked AliTarihi about his dislike of that option |
| 18:21.28 | slak | ok stew thanks i understand that programatically becomes a pain |
| 18:21.30 | selfdestruct | jelly, hehe |
| 18:21.31 | stew | yes, so instead of a single dictionary, you need one for every possible salt, and there are 64^8 possible salts |
| 18:21.40 | slak | hey does samba respect /usr/sbin/nologin as shell type |
| 18:21.44 | slak | to prevent samba authentication |
| 18:21.50 | AliTarihi | jelly: I have a script in the resume.d and such to stop it. |
| 18:21.52 | pasky | jelly: uswsusp |
| 18:21.56 | pasky | jelly: i mean, that's not easy enough |
| 18:22.00 | pasky | and too dirty |
| 18:22.06 | stew | its not programatically a pain, its just too much data. google for "rainbow table" |
| 18:22.07 | jelly | pasky: file a bug report. |
| 18:22.15 | themill | If you were scripting this, you'd use mkpasswd rather than a perl one-liner for it anyway. |
| 18:22.16 | AliTarihi | jelly: But I'm suspecting that the hdparm config is not restored upon resume |
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| 18:22.50 | pasky | jelly: http://www.nabble.com/Bug-502816:-cannot-suspend-td20062104.html |
| 18:23.26 | jelly | pasky: that thing _is_ rather closely tied to the kernel; if there are bugs in 64<->32 bit ABI emulation they better be fixed, right |
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| 18:24.35 | valdyn | pasky: uswsusp nor any other suspend method are supposed to be used by endusers directly |
| 18:24.41 | jelly | pasky: does it work with a -686 kernel? |
| 18:24.47 | jelly | valdyn: what? |
| 18:24.59 | valdyn | jelly: yes? |
| 18:25.16 | jelly | valdyn: I want to directly tell my machine to suspend. |
| 18:25.24 | valdyn | jelly: so? |
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| 18:25.41 | jelly | valdyn: I don't understand "<valdyn> pasky: uswsusp nor any other suspend method are supposed to be used by endusers directly" |
| 18:25.49 | valdyn | jelly: yes |
| 18:25.56 | slurrpy | Hi all, can someone tell me what apt-get command to install sshd ? |
| 18:25.56 | jelly | valdyn: please explain |
| 18:25.57 | themill | jelly: they're intended to be used by some front end that unloads some modules, saves the video card state etc these days. In the same as you are supposed to use modprobe not insmod these days. |
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| 18:26.16 | valdyn | jelly: theres thousands of workarounds required for thousands of different pieces of hardware |
| 18:26.16 | jelly | themill: s2disk _is_ such a frontend |
| 18:26.41 | valdyn | jelly: you are free to apply those yourself or have intel hardware with perfect acpi implementation |
| 18:26.43 | jelly | valdyn: and the user is using a wrapper. |
| 18:26.49 | slurrpy | Anyone? O_o |
| 18:26.51 | valdyn | jelly: yes |
| 18:27.05 | jelly | valdyn: so what's the point of that comment? |
| 18:27.06 | themill | jelly: but that's not "echo disk > /sys/...". uswsusp is both a kernel component and userspace tools. |
| 18:27.20 | themill | dpkg: tell slurrpy about search |
| 18:27.40 | valdyn | jelly: i dont think s2disk does those workarounds |
| 18:27.50 | jelly | valdyn: it does. |
| 18:28.05 | slurrpy | themill: I've searched and found nothing of use. I installed something but its not opensshd |
| 18:28.25 | slurrpy | The only command i found that gave me answers was apt-get install ssh |
| 18:28.26 | themill | slurrpy: did you try "apt-cache search sshd" |
| 18:28.33 | jelly | valdyn: or at least it is supposed to, and it contains a database of hardware and bios versions |
| 18:28.36 | themill | slurrpy: that works fine |
| 18:28.47 | valdyn | jelly: ok, then im wrong |
| 18:29.00 | jelly | pasky: does a -686 work/ |
| 18:29.02 | jelly | ? |
| 18:29.21 | jelly | pasky: does uswsusp work with a -686 kernel flavor, I mean? |
| 18:29.36 | keith4 | how do I get debian to "re-parse" /etc/hosts ? |
| 18:30.02 | valdyn | jelly: i dont see that db |
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| 18:30.07 | slurrpy | themill: Tried it and it gave me openssh-server |
| 18:30.20 | themill | slurrpy: did you read the description of that package? |
| 18:30.20 | slurrpy | But its already installed, but i cant ssh to it from another computer |
| 18:30.25 | slurrpy | Yeah i did |
| 18:30.35 | slurrpy | The real problem is i can ssh to it |
| 18:30.39 | slurrpy | cant* |
| 18:30.47 | valdyn | jelly: hibernate and hal provide mechanisms for this, i dont see it in s2disk though |
| 18:30.51 | slurrpy | The connection is refused as if its not running |
| 18:31.02 | slurrpy | But it is running on the box when i do ps -u root |
| 18:31.04 | slurrpy | As root |
| 18:31.15 | keith4 | firewall? |
| 18:31.26 | slurrpy | No its a fresh install |
| 18:31.35 | slurrpy | Not 10 mins ago, did it via inet |
| 18:31.38 | keith4 | what does 'netstat -a | grep ssh' show? |
| 18:31.44 | slurrpy | brb |
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| 18:31.48 | jelly | valdyn: hm; there's /usr/share/doc/uswsusp/README.s2ram-whitelist.gz though |
| 18:32.04 | pasky | jelly: i didn't get around to test with a -686 kernel, good point |
| 18:32.27 | slurrpy | keith4, nothing |
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| 18:32.39 | slurrpy | Its obviously not running |
| 18:32.41 | slurrpy | =/ |
| 18:32.45 | pasky | valdyn: of course i'm only resorting to manually s2disk since none of the frontends worked or even emitted a sensible error message :) |
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| 18:33.20 | themill | !suspend troubleshooting |
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| 18:33.20 | dpkg | A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp. |
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| 18:33.49 | slurrpy | Er |
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| 18:33.55 | slurrpy | I typed the cmd wrong |
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| 18:34.28 | slurrpy | It shows: tcp6 0 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN |
| 18:34.32 | drwahl | is there any documention on how the !apt bot in this channel works? source code? |
| 18:35.22 | pasky | that wiki page does not talk about s2disk at all afaics |
| 18:35.30 | pasky | jelly: -686 kernel works beautifully |
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| 18:36.39 | gigo | i want dpkg to tell me till what debian version was ezmlm-src available? how can I do that? |
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| 18:37.43 | gigo | i mean the 'dpkg' bot |
| 18:38.06 | themill | there's no such package in debian |
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| 18:39.14 | stew | there was a ezmlm package that got removed in 2005 |
| 18:39.22 | stew | http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/ezmlm.html |
| 18:39.48 | jelly | pasky: that's an argument for the issue being a 32/64bit compatibility issue |
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| 18:40.35 | DogWater | stoned: do you know how to use debconf to make it output the selected install options? |
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| 18:41.07 | stew | DogWater: debconf-get-selections? |
| 18:41.37 | DogWater | ah, thanks stew |
| 18:41.45 | DogWater | stew: havin a hell of a time getting preseed to work |
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| 18:42.19 | rwaite | man installing lenny on a system w/64mb ram is painful |
| 18:42.33 | jelly | pasky: I guess you could try installing amd64-libs and libc6-amd64, force install uswsusp for 64bit and see if that's good enough :-| |
| 18:43.20 | keith4 | slurrpy: so it's only listening on ipv6 |
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| 18:43.32 | keith4 | drwahl: ask the bot |
| 18:43.35 | keith4 | !botinfo |
| 18:43.39 | keith4 | !bot info |
| 18:43.50 | DogWater | stew: sorry to ask another dumb question but do i have to install something to get debconf-get-selections? |
| 18:44.13 | keith4 | !infobot |
| 18:44.14 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
| 18:44.15 | slurrpy | keith4, i figured it out |
| 18:44.19 | jelly | gigo: snapshot.debian.org might contain that information if it was removed after 2005 |
| 18:44.23 | drwahl | keith4: thanks |
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| 18:44.48 | stew | DogWater: debconf-utils (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
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| 18:46.17 | DogWater | stew: crap it doesnt have any of the mirror choices in here.. |
| 18:47.49 | Eulex | is there any point in having reserved blocks for privileged processes on a file system containing /home/? |
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| 18:56.11 | dkr | space for recovering bad blocks in the event of filesystem errors and a full disk? |
| 18:56.24 | dkr | I use -m 0 myself, though. :) |
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| 18:59.05 | Eulex | dkr, hmm, yeah, might be sane to reserve a few blocks then |
| 18:59.17 | theholyduck | Eulex, when are you ever going to run into a full disk? |
| 18:59.18 | theholyduck | :P |
| 18:59.27 | theholyduck | i never reserved blocks :P |
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| 18:59.41 | Eulex | theholyduck, in about 5gb on /home |
| 18:59.50 | theholyduck | small /home is small |
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| 19:00.00 | Eulex | my /home is 85gb |
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| 19:00.14 | dkr | 1.4T 6.4G 100% /home |
| 19:00.17 | theholyduck | Eulex, you actually USE home for things? |
| 19:00.22 | Eulex | yes |
| 19:00.31 | Eulex | I store stuff there ^_^ |
| 19:00.33 | theholyduck | has a 30gb home thats always atleast 90% empty |
| 19:00.41 | theholyduck | Eulex, i use my 4tb lvm array for that |
| 19:00.49 | Eulex | heh |
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| 19:00.52 | theholyduck | but i dont mount it in /home |
| 19:01.03 | Eulex | I don't store big stuff in /home |
| 19:01.14 | Eulex | like movies and music |
| 19:01.37 | theholyduck | i dont store anything in /home :P |
| 19:01.39 | Eulex | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.53 | theholyduck | i got some of my /mnt subfolders softlinked into ~/ |
| 19:02.00 | theholyduck | like misc |
| 19:02.11 | theholyduck | so that /home doesnt get used for anything |
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| 19:03.30 | linkslice | I've got an etch system that needs to be updated to lenny tonight, but I want to pre-downlaod all the packages so they are ready, I'd edit the apt-sources to point to lenny, then run apt-get update ; apt-get -d upgrade |
| 19:03.42 | linkslice | I want nothing to change until tonight |
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| 19:04.36 | theholyduck | linkslice, apt-zip |
| 19:04.37 | theholyduck | take a look at it |
| 19:04.55 | theholyduck | its not originally MENT to do that. but it could do something like that |
| 19:05.00 | DogWater | omg at the gd preseed docs |
| 19:05.21 | theholyduck | hmm |
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| 19:05.25 | theholyduck | or did i misunderstand your question? |
| 19:06.15 | linkslice | theholyduck, I'm jsut trying to upgrade to lenny, but without having to wait for the packages to all download |
| 19:06.58 | linkslice | so I was going to pre-download them now, and then later tonight install them |
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| 19:07.24 | theholyduck | linkslice, well didnt you just say how to do so? |
| 19:07.51 | linkslice | theholyduck, yeah, making sure that is all I need, I've never done a download only before ;-) |
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| 19:08.00 | theholyduck | linkslice, why wouldnt it work? |
| 19:08.19 | DogWater | whoever wrote these docs and the examples should be throttled hardily |
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| 19:12.55 | alcohol | DogWater, you say that like you might enjoy giving it o: |
| 19:14.06 | DogWater | at the very least it could tell you how to specify the name of the mirror properly for network installs |
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| 19:14.18 | DogWater | cripes. |
| 19:14.23 | DogWater | it works now, whatever im happy |
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| 19:18.46 | keith4 | I believe you want to throttle someone heartily, not hardily |
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| 19:23.56 | nsadmin | keith4: aha, so the idea was communicated? |
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| 19:27.27 | enouf | linkslice: if it's the same box, use apt-get -d |
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| 19:30.44 | enouf | linkslice: also /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 19:31.03 | roe | I need to test latency from italy to a specific IP, any tools to help me? |
| 19:31.04 | linkslice | enouf, ok thanks! |
| 19:31.26 | enouf | roe: traceroute? |
| 19:31.34 | gewt | will lenney ever be released? |
| 19:31.36 | roe | I am not in italy |
| 19:31.46 | enouf | and? |
| 19:31.50 | nsadmin | gewt: not by that name :) |
| 19:31.55 | gewt | heh |
| 19:31.58 | roe | how can I begin a traceroute from a location I have no access to? |
| 19:32.13 | enouf | you didn't say you didn't have access |
| 19:32.23 | roe | if I had access I would just do it |
| 19:32.32 | enouf | then why are you asking? |
| 19:32.37 | roe | because I don't have acces |
| 19:32.41 | nsadmin | roe: begin it from the other side |
| 19:32.42 | roe | and thus can't just do it |
| 19:32.48 | enouf | well, you shouldv'e said that |
| 19:33.13 | roe | nsadmin, got any destinations I can test to? |
| 19:33.43 | nsadmin | in italy? |
| 19:33.47 | roe | yes |
| 19:33.49 | nsadmin | is there a debian mirror there? |
| 19:33.55 | roe | no clue |
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| 19:34.13 | nsadmin | try http.it.debian.org |
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| 19:34.43 | Troll-_--_-Troll | I am installing GNU/Debian RMS/Linux on my oscilloscope right now. |
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| 19:34.57 | nsadmin | ppptpptptpt |
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| 19:35.27 | mythomaniac | i need to figure out the most simple way to have existing directories use encfs, at this point i'm at a loss... |
| 19:35.42 | roe | nsadmin, nope, can't find server |
| 19:35.43 | abchirk | is there a way to install a mysql 5.1.3 server in etch? with apt? |
| 19:36.06 | nsadmin | try ftp.it.debian.org |
| 19:36.16 | gewt | wasn;t MySQL 6 released? |
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| 19:36.40 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 19:37.05 | roe | nsadmin, that worked, thanks |
| 19:37.47 | nsadmin | tread carefully... don't flood them; they;/re helping us by being a mirror' |
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| 19:38.00 | mythomaniac | does anyone know the best way to encrypt existing directories, that will still be used; i would like to figure out a way to use encfs because i can mount those directories based on users... can anyone help? |
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| 19:38.32 | hoxu | mythomaniac, meet 'mv' |
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| 19:39.09 | enouf | mythomaniac: i don't see anything in the kernel code about encfs, except for one line in a eCryptfs header; perhaps you want to try that - or maybe even luks or truecrypt |
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| 19:39.53 | mythomaniac | hoxu, that wont work, for they need to stay as they are |
| 19:40.02 | nsadmin | why do peopel want to crypt anyway... doesn't that slow everything to a crawl? |
| 19:40.08 | selfdestruct | gewt, i dont think anyone wants to try mysql 6 lol |
| 19:40.14 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, not really |
| 19:40.17 | BitUnique | is there a program like daemon tools for linux? |
| 19:40.23 | selfdestruct | gewt, they keep pushing releases out like water... and they're buggy. |
| 19:40.45 | hoxu | BitUnique, you can mount iso images using loopback or fuseiso if that's what you want |
| 19:41.00 | nsadmin | postgresql is definitely better in many ways |
| 19:41.05 | hoxu | !tell mythomaniac about sicco |
| 19:41.07 | mythomaniac | enouf, its actually encfs and fuse |
| 19:41.13 | gewt | PostGreSQL is nice |
| 19:41.15 | BitUnique | hoxu: will it emulate a cd-drive? |
| 19:41.20 | gewt | but few things use it.\ |
| 19:41.30 | hoxu | mythomaniac, tip: "stay as they are" is not very informative |
| 19:41.57 | hoxu | BitUnique, uh, what do you actually need to do? |
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| 19:42.35 | nsadmin | it's sql tho, it's more standardized, it has more features that let you define what it means for your data to remain stable |
| 19:42.38 | enouf | mythomaniac: oh, so a FUSE eh? hrm, well here's another option; http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-truecrypt-5.1a-on-debian-etch-gnome |
| 19:42.48 | BitUnique | im using a mini image to emulate my battlefield 2 disc |
| 19:43.09 | enouf | thought encfs sounded very MPoopish |
| 19:43.16 | BitUnique | yes i do have a valid cd-key if that really matters to you. i just dont have the disc |
| 19:43.20 | nsadmin | BitUnique: I think there is, but I don't remember the name |
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| 19:43.50 | mythomaniac | hoxu, well they are directories that are used by progs, say for example ~/.mozilla/firefox/<whatever>/cache |
| 19:44.02 | enouf | cdemu |
| 19:44.16 | BitUnique | hoxu: will fuseiso be to any help to me or do i need something else? |
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| 19:44.48 | BitUnique | enouf: cdemu is what i need? |
| 19:44.49 | hoxu | BitUnique, what application do you need to fake a "CD" to? Does it read directly from the device? |
| 19:45.02 | BitUnique | hoxu: yes |
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| 19:46.33 | valdyn | BitUnique: maybe you just need to loopback mount the iso |
| 19:47.01 | enouf | BitUnique: i've never used it, some have reported having trouble compiling it - worth a shot i guess if loop mounting doesn't cut it |
| 19:47.17 | dustybin | life as paused at Number concerning the next release: 109 |
| 19:47.21 | dustybin | *has |
| 19:47.24 | enouf | BitUnique: there's also cdfs - look into that as well perhaps |
| 19:47.31 | hoxu | BitUnique, did you read the comments on winehq appdb? |
| 19:48.03 | enouf | right - WINE .. /me keeps forgetting about the mpoop usages |
| 19:48.09 | nsadmin | dustybin: but a yet unreleased version of life is available... ifyou use ut, your milage may VARY |
| 19:48.17 | mythomaniac | enouf, i wouldn't use truecrypt even if my life depended on it ;) |
| 19:48.40 | BitUnique | how do i looback the iso tho? man loopback i suppose? ;) |
| 19:48.43 | hoxu | BitUnique, did you try mounting the ISO using loopback or fuseiso, and then using winecfg to assign that directory a drive letter? |
| 19:48.47 | enouf | mythomaniac: indeed - and most of us would never even touch anything that came out of redmond |
| 19:48.51 | hoxu | !tell BitUnique fuseiso |
| 19:48.58 | mythomaniac | enouf, ;) |
| 19:49.06 | hoxu | !tell BitUnique about fuseiso |
| 19:49.11 | valdyn | BitUnique: mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /mnt/wherever |
| 19:49.26 | hoxu | BitUnique, meh, if you have etch use loopback ^ |
| 19:49.30 | valdyn | !fuseiso |
| 19:49.30 | dpkg | methinks fuseiso is a <fuse> module to allow users to mount ISO filesystem images, something that you can't do with mount/pmount. It's in debian since lenny |
| 19:49.36 | enouf | modprobe isofs ? |
| 19:49.41 | valdyn | ah |
| 19:49.45 | valdyn | enouf: uh? |
| 19:49.48 | enouf | -t iso9660 |
| 19:49.54 | valdyn | yea |
| 19:49.59 | valdyn | should be automagic |
| 19:50.11 | BitUnique | thanks alot guyy |
| 19:50.13 | enouf | yeah .. well, not always ;-) |
| 19:50.17 | BitUnique | gonna give this a try |
| 19:50.28 | enouf | not to mention, his might be UDF or a BIN or something |
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| 19:51.43 | enouf | BitUnique: general all around info http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/ |
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| 19:52.28 | BitUnique | really appriciate the help :) |
| 19:53.17 | BitUnique | i can point loopback to my cd-drive even if it empty right? |
| 19:54.17 | hoxu | BitUnique, you don't point it to "cd-drive", whatever that means, you mount it to a normal directory, and then try to get winecfg to recognize it as a cd drive (no clue if that works) |
| 19:54.47 | hoxu | BitUnique, if you run into problems you should read the winehq appdb and google, I'm sure you aren't alone with your problem |
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| 19:57.52 | nsadmin | BitUnique: loop is for files that are images of filesystems, not for devices |
| 19:58.21 | BitUnique | yeah i got it now. testing it in a min here |
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| 20:00.11 | jason___ | im trying to build a CD with simple-cdd but it gives me this error that i cant fix: ERROR: missing required packages from profile default: simple-cdd-profiles |
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| 20:00.45 | nsadmin | jason___: so it's missing a package |
| 20:00.46 | jason___ | im using --profiles-udeb-dist sid in the simple-cdd command |
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| 20:01.14 | jason___ | nsadmin: apt cant find that package: simple-cdd-profiles |
| 20:01.31 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 20:01.40 | nsadmin | maybe it migrated from sid |
| 20:02.23 | jason___ | from what i unserstand etch (what im using) didnt come with simple-cdd so i have to use the profiles from sid, thus the --profiles-udeb-dist sid line |
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| 20:02.28 | nsadmin | I wonder tho if migrating is allowed while lenny is frozen |
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| 20:04.22 | kewl_n_busy | hi, i am using "wipe" for secure file erasing and i have a lil question |
| 20:04.45 | kewl_n_busy | i am running kde (so, i am using konq as a browser) |
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| 20:05.14 | kewl_n_busy | how can i add in menu a command |
| 20:05.31 | kewl_n_busy | that will erase file\group of files |
| 20:05.41 | kewl_n_busy | or directories with wipe |
| 20:05.48 | [twisti] | debian seems to be blocking incoming connections on a port, where would i look to change that ? |
| 20:05.59 | kewl_n_busy | so i could click it with right mouse button and choose "wipe" |
| 20:06.09 | kewl_n_busy | sorry for my english |
| 20:06.24 | abrotman | [twisti]: did you setup a firewall? |
| 20:06.31 | [twisti] | not to my knowledge |
| 20:06.40 | [twisti] | the pc is behind a router anyways |
| 20:06.42 | abrotman | then it's not debian |
| 20:06.45 | stoned | kewl_n_busy, kmenuedit |
| 20:06.50 | kewl_n_busy | thx |
| 20:06.52 | [twisti] | im quite confident its debian |
| 20:06.58 | [twisti] | it says so on the label |
| 20:07.09 | enouf | sticker? |
| 20:07.10 | stoned | kewl_n_busy, wait, no you mean in konqueror? |
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| 20:07.19 | kewl_n_busy | uhm |
| 20:07.20 | stoned | kewl_n_busy, you want to click on a file and wipe it |
| 20:07.20 | kewl_n_busy | yep |
| 20:07.26 | kewl_n_busy | yes |
| 20:07.32 | abrotman | [twisti]: from the system .. can you `telnet <IP> <PORT>` ? |
| 20:07.38 | stoned | kewl_n_busy, google for konqueror service menu |
| 20:07.49 | kewl_n_busy | ok thanks anyway ) |
| 20:08.05 | [twisti] | well, if i type wget 127.0.0.1:7070 it works, but if i try the same from my main pc it doesnt work, no, the telnet thing also doesnt work |
| 20:08.15 | [twisti] | and yes, i used its lan ip not 127.0.0.1 from my main pc |
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| 20:08.23 | enouf | a context menu (right click) entry would be nice? |
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| 20:09.04 | [twisti] | so clearly something is blocking the incoming connection |
| 20:09.28 | stoned | kewl_n_busy, its the first result in google, tells you exactly what to do |
| 20:09.33 | [twisti] | i assume theres a file somewhere that says "these ports are fine, block anything else" |
| 20:09.36 | stew | [twisti]: which ip address is the application listening to on :8080? |
| 20:09.43 | kewl_n_busy | stoned, and is it possible to run a "wipe" cmd on file\directory, pressing del |
| 20:09.51 | kewl_n_busy | already reading ) |
| 20:09.55 | kewl_n_busy | ? |
| 20:09.56 | [twisti] | all there are |
| 20:10.31 | stoned | you can bind a keyboard shortcut to a command, write a simple shell script that does what you want, and use that in your service menu and keyboard shortcut |
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| 20:11.15 | kewl_n_busy | ok, many thanks |
| 20:11.21 | kewl_n_busy | never used kde before ) |
| 20:11.27 | stoned | #kde |
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| 20:11.51 | [twisti] | out of my linux days of olden i vaguely remember files called allow and deny, and specifying ports that were open |
| 20:12.04 | nsadmin | stoned: but to get that to happen, you have to do all those steps, right? |
| 20:12.10 | ricoshady | i have apache 2 install, but I cant find the apache2-ssl-certificate script? any ideas? |
| 20:12.14 | abrotman | [twisti]: no .. use the LAN IP .. not the external IP, and not lo |
| 20:12.17 | enouf | kewl_n_busy: k control center allows you to set up key bindings - but .. it confuses the hell out of me |
| 20:12.21 | [twisti] | not lo ? |
| 20:12.23 | abrotman | ricoshady: in lenny? |
| 20:12.31 | abrotman | [twisti]: 127.0.0.1 .. |
| 20:12.34 | ricoshady | etch |
| 20:12.38 | [twisti] | oh |
| 20:12.47 | nsadmin | ricoshady: I have an idea! let's all eat mayonaise ice cream! |
| 20:12.48 | [twisti] | hrm, doesnt work |
| 20:12.53 | [twisti] | thats odd |
| 20:13.00 | [twisti] | i specifically told it to listen on all interfaces |
| 20:13.02 | nsadmin | ricoshady: maybe #apache |
| 20:13.23 | ricoshady | nsadmin, its a debian package |
| 20:13.52 | nsadmin | so it's a file in a package? you have two search options |
| 20:13.57 | kewl_n_busy | enouf, thnks for the tip |
| 20:13.59 | nsadmin | one, packages.debian.org |
| 20:14.06 | nsadmin | two, apt-get install apt-file |
| 20:14.12 | nsadmin | and read its docs |
| 20:14.14 | [twisti] | any idea how to fix it ? |
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| 20:14.25 | LeNsTR | nya! |
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| 20:14.50 | stoned | kewl_n_busy, kde-apps, google for that, you can find kde service menus prebuilt by people you can simply unpack them to ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus (the .desktop files) |
| 20:14.51 | nsadmin | what is a nya? |
| 20:15.06 | stoned | kewl_n_busy, there are some for secure file delete |
| 20:15.12 | LeNsTR | nsadmin: its kawaii ^_^ |
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| 20:15.27 | nsadmin | oh :) for what? |
| 20:15.41 | LeNsTR | hm |
| 20:15.52 | LeNsTR | smile ) |
| 20:15.58 | stew | mahalo |
| 20:15.58 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 20:16.30 | Eulex | just found out he had 13gb of core dumps in his home directory |
| 20:16.46 | stoned | damn, thats a huge dump. |
| 20:16.46 | faffi | rofl |
| 20:16.52 | nsadmin | blesses all the connections to the backbones... cause he wants em! |
| 20:17.02 | karsten | Any suggestions for open source laptop tracking solutions? |
| 20:17.22 | LeNsTR | nsadmin: you aree admin for this chanal? ) |
| 20:17.29 | nsadmin | nope |
| 20:17.36 | LeNsTR | hah)) |
| 20:17.44 | nsadmin | I have zero control |
| 20:17.51 | nsadmin | and I like it :P |
| 20:17.51 | faffi | Ok, so i have installed the base system with my netinstall CD but it didnt detect my nic card and modprobe e1000 did not give me a new ethX device. I would compile a new version of the driver but I dont have gcc either. |
| 20:17.57 | LeNsTR | :D |
| 20:18.00 | karsten | LeNsTR: /msg dpkg ops |
| 20:18.20 | stew | faffi: prehaps you need e1000e, which would be supported by etchnhalf: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 20:18.29 | nsadmin | I know exactly what the ops go thru and how they have to act |
| 20:18.31 | LeNsTR | karsten: so what? =) |
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| 20:18.52 | stew | LeNsTR: I'm one of them. you can PM me if you need something |
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| 20:19.16 | jariep1_ | hi all |
| 20:19.21 | LeNsTR | thx |
| 20:19.24 | faffi | stew: I used a weekly built lenny disc, I installed kernel 2.6.26-686 |
| 20:19.24 | LeNsTR | jariep1_: q |
| 20:19.33 | jariep1_ | i have a java applet that i cannot get working |
| 20:19.55 | stoned | jariep1_, be more specific with the problem |
| 20:19.57 | LeNsTR | Ñ
м |
| 20:20.06 | faffi | stew: I can try the e1000e, however everything online says I need the e1000, mind you the disc had all these drivers but none of them were autodetected at the right one |
| 20:20.08 | LeNsTR | I have kernel 2.6.28 |
| 20:20.15 | jariep1_ | i have a zip file of the applet... it works on desktop and on xampp localhost server but it won't work on webhost |
| 20:20.18 | stew | faffi: try "lspci -k" and see if it lists a kernel module for your ethernet card |
| 20:20.29 | faffi | stew: don't have pciutils :( |
| 20:20.36 | jariep1_ | let me give you my URL |
| 20:20.37 | nsadmin | LeNsTR: how did you build it? using what compiler |
| 20:21.00 | LeNsTR | nsadmin: I'm use archlinux, sorry =) |
| 20:21.13 | LeNsTR | pacman -Syu =) |
| 20:21.16 | nsadmin | still, which compiler? |
| 20:21.43 | nsadmin | seems to have forgotten how he built his |
| 20:22.04 | karsten | LeNsTR: That gives you a list of pops. Don't do it if you don't have an issue though. Not all are active. |
| 20:22.20 | LeNsTR | karsten: thx =) |
| 20:22.32 | jelly-home | karsten: you seem to have backspace/delete issues, btw |
| 20:22.33 | stoned | kewl_n_busy, it idoesn't |
| 20:22.55 | stoned | karsten, it doesn't, its a channel command and then it hilight people |
| 20:23.09 | stoned | and then you get banned |
| 20:23.11 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 20:23.21 | karsten | leabrotman, donde, acfuego, are a few of them (IIRC) off the top of my head. |
| 20:23.56 | nsadmin | you should msg the bot that one, that way it doesn't show up on channel |
| 20:23.57 | stoned | you can do /msg ChanServ ACCESS #debian LIST |
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| 20:25.00 | stew | faffi: can you get the vendorid/device id from /proc/bus/pci/devices ? |
| 20:25.15 | nsadmin | but it does come to mind the question of why you're interested if you're not actually running debian |
| 20:25.32 | karsten | Feh. That was meant to be tab-completeed bu my IRC host is lagging. |
| 20:25.39 | [twisti] | perl/CPAN tells me that "YAML is not installed", how do i fix that ? |
| 20:25.58 | [twisti] | i dont see any packages that i would readily recognize as what it needs |
| 20:26.06 | Zenitur2 | a #debian-russian is fuul of flooders every day. Operators do nothing. They are using ild and forgotten encoding. Please, do something! |
| 20:26.08 | stew | [twisti]: what are you trying to do with CPAN? |
| 20:26.18 | [twisti] | stew: this http://getpopfile.org/docs/howtos:allplatformsrequireperl |
| 20:26.23 | stoned | libyaml-perl ? |
| 20:26.36 | [twisti] | apparently the debian lenny popfile package doesnt come with these dependencies resolved |
| 20:26.37 | themill | [twisti]: apt-cache search yaml perl |
| 20:26.45 | Zenitur2 | full old* |
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| 20:27.00 | [twisti] | ah |
| 20:27.01 | [twisti] | thanks |
| 20:27.17 | LeNsTR | nice chanal =) |
| 20:27.19 | stew | [twisti]: you should, in general, not need to install modules from CPAN. which are you trying to install? |
| 20:27.32 | [twisti] | stew: the ones that site said i need |
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| 20:27.51 | [twisti] | although right now im focussing on IO::Socket::Socks |
| 20:27.59 | [twisti] | because popfile gives an error that thats missing |
| 20:27.59 | stew | [twisti]: you shouldn't install them with CPAN, you should install them with apt |
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| 20:28.12 | nsadmin | LeNsTR: so do you want to try debian? or have you ever? |
| 20:28.12 | [twisti] | how would i find out what IO::Socket::Socks is in apt ? |
| 20:28.54 | LeNsTR | nsadmin: debian... good distro =) but me like arch ^_^ )) |
| 20:28.56 | nsadmin | twistiL it might be libio-socket-socks-perl |
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| 20:29.14 | [twisti] | ill try that first then |
| 20:29.20 | nsadmin | LeNsTR: ok, good enough |
| 20:29.25 | [twisti] | i dont really have any idea what cpan is, i just want to get my popfile to run |
| 20:29.29 | enouf | [twisti]: 1st off, install manpages-dev pkg |
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| 20:29.46 | enouf | [twisti]: IO::Socket (3perl) - Object interface to socket communicationsIO::Socket (3perl) |
| 20:29.47 | faffi | stew: i'll try that right now, i need to reboot the machine back into deb, in windows now unfortunately |
| 20:29.50 | jelly-home | [twisti]: apt-cache search IO::Socket::Socks, if that fails, aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search /IO/Socket/Socks.pm |
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| 20:30.07 | stoned | [twisti], when in doubt, /msg dpkg whatever (/msg dpkg cpan) |
| 20:30.25 | stew | faffi: you can get the deviceid/vendor id from whatever os you are running now, probably. if it is an intel card, it would start iwth "8086:" perhaps "8086:1049" |
| 20:30.28 | stoned | !tell [twisti] -about dpkgbot |
| 20:30.29 | themill | enouf: that man page isn't in that package. it's in perl-doc |
| 20:30.50 | LeNsTR | nsadmin: and I know english very bad :-[ |
| 20:30.55 | stew | [twisti]: in general "FOO::Bar" would be in a package named "libfoo-bar-perl" or "libfoo-perl" you can also try using apt-file to see for Bar.pm ; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:31.09 | stoned | LeNsTR, do you have a debian support related question? |
| 20:31.22 | stew | [twisti]: if you decide you need to install a module from cpan becuase it isn't already packaged (which should be rare), use dh-make-perl |
| 20:31.23 | [twisti] | man, this is hard work |
| 20:32.00 | themill | [twisti]: what makes you say that popfile isn't working properly? It would be serious bug were popfile to be relying on perl modules without causing them to be installed by apt. |
| 20:32.22 | enouf | themill: gotcha - then [twisti] also see 'perldoc perl' |
| 20:32.24 | [twisti] | themill: well, its not working, and in the log file it gives the error that it needs that |
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| 20:32.35 | stew | [twisti]: show us the exact message |
| 20:32.39 | [twisti] | 1 sec |
| 20:32.43 | enouf | themill: but, he'll want manpages-dev eventually anyway :-P |
| 20:32.52 | themill | enouf: *shudder* |
| 20:33.14 | nsadmin | aren't those the libc reference? |
| 20:33.18 | [twisti] | ]WARNING: POPFile may require Perl module IO::Socket::Socks; it is needed for "Socks Proxy Support" |
| 20:33.19 | faffi | stew: Under device manager 8086&dev_10de&subsys_027f1028 for the matching device ID |
| 20:33.32 | enouf | is familiar with the whining types ... unfortunately |
| 20:33.37 | [twisti] | from /var/lib/popfile/234287462874.log |
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| 20:33.52 | nsadmin | [twisti] do you need socks proxy support? |
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| 20:34.02 | illu | hello |
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| 20:34.06 | max__ | hmm its it true that pypanel not is a lenny pack |
| 20:34.10 | enouf | ~$ man IO\:\:Socket <== gotta love tab-completion ;-) |
| 20:34.23 | [twisti] | i dont know yet, im not really certain what that is, id settle for it just starting for now |
| 20:34.32 | [twisti] | i mean, its starting, but i cant access it |
| 20:34.35 | illu | i wanted to know if anyone knows if the programm wxmaxima is being upgraded in sid |
| 20:34.40 | mythomaniac | stoned, i need to know how i can encrypt existing directories with encfs? |
| 20:34.47 | [twisti] | i wrote about that earlier, it doesnt seem to like network connections |
| 20:34.51 | illu | there is still version 0.7.1, an old version which doesn't work |
| 20:34.54 | stew | faffi: e1000e 0x00008086 0x000010de 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 20:34.58 | [twisti] | hence me thinking that something named socket missing could be the cause |
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| 20:35.06 | stew | faffi: try e1000e, that is from a 2.6.26 kernel |
| 20:35.21 | faffi | stew: will do, i'll be back if it doesnt work |
| 20:35.23 | faffi | thanks |
| 20:35.32 | enouf | the e1000e was the one with the eeprom and bricking issues? |
| 20:35.41 | faffi | lol |
| 20:35.50 | faffi | i found some kinda paramter to disable the eeprom check |
| 20:35.53 | stew | (issues which were previously solved) |
| 20:36.00 | [twisti] | so no ideas ? |
| 20:36.01 | stoned | mythomaniac, I don't know, I never used encfs |
| 20:36.14 | mythomaniac | stoned, ah ok |
| 20:36.15 | nsadmin | anyone know if waldi is playing with 2.6.28 yet? |
| 20:36.15 | faffi | stew: After i modprobe it, should i just see the device with ifconfig -a |
| 20:36.22 | stew | faffi: yes |
| 20:36.29 | faffi | stew: ok hopefully this works |
| 20:37.24 | themill | [twisti]: you've not told us anything useful to us yet. But if you don't know what socks is, then you don't need it so that's not the problem. |
| 20:37.33 | [twisti] | ok |
| 20:37.40 | [twisti] | i installed popfile with apt |
| 20:37.49 | [twisti] | i configured it with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:38.00 | [twisti] | i told it to accept connects from other places |
| 20:38.10 | [twisti] | i tried to access it from another place (my main pc) and it doesnt work |
| 20:38.18 | [twisti] | the log only shows what i pasted |
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| 20:38.30 | stew | [twisti]: which ip address is it listening to? |
| 20:38.35 | themill | in what way does it not work from the other PC? |
| 20:38.40 | christoz | is there any icecast related application that is packaged in .deb format and is not source \. thanks |
| 20:38.56 | [twisti] | stew: i dont know how to tell, but i only got one lan card |
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| 20:39.06 | [twisti] | it listens to the loopback device though |
| 20:39.09 | jariep1_ | stoned... can you help me with my java applet? |
| 20:39.17 | stew | [twisti]: its listening to port 7070? |
| 20:39.21 | [twisti] | yes |
| 20:39.25 | [twisti] | on 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:39.45 | stew | [twisti]: oh, well that would explain why you couldn't get to it from other machines, as 127.0.0.1 is "localhost" and only available locally |
| 20:39.48 | nsadmin | ok, when I try to build 2.6.28 using make-kpkg from etch, I get a few "/bin/sh: line 0: [: -gt: unary operator expected" and then "The UTS Release version in include/linux/utsrelease.h -- 2.6.28 -- does not match current version: -- .." |
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| 20:39.57 | [twisti] | yes, i know that |
| 20:40.05 | [twisti] | but i told it to accept connections from other machines too |
| 20:40.11 | faffi | stew: nothing, just loaded the driver |
| 20:40.16 | n-iCe | jariep1_: what problem you have? |
| 20:40.21 | [twisti] | so it *SHOULD* listen on my lan card too |
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| 20:40.46 | cahoot | nsadmin: make-kpkg clean doesn't help? |
| 20:40.56 | nsadmin | let's see |
| 20:41.07 | jariep1_ | n-iCe i have a java applet that works in local xampp server but it wont run on my webhost |
| 20:41.16 | stew | faffi: run "modprobe -r e1000e ; modprobe e1000e ; dmesg | tail" to see if any useful messages come out of dmesg |
| 20:41.21 | nsadmin | oh, I'm trying to build module nvidia |
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| 20:41.24 | jariep1_ | i tried two webhosts already LAMP |
| 20:41.27 | nsadmin | btw |
| 20:41.36 | stew | [twisti]: so the problem you are having is with getting it to listen to the correct ip address |
| 20:41.43 | [twisti] | stew: so it seems |
| 20:41.58 | jariep1_ | n-iCe maybe I can send you the applet... it is in a jar file that runs with an html file |
| 20:42.04 | faffi | stew: it just shows me that it loaded the driver intel blah blah blah |
| 20:42.05 | stew | [twisti]: how exactly did you tell it to accept connections from other machines? |
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| 20:42.21 | [twisti] | i also noticed that despite me configuring it to listen to other machines, when i just went to the config page with lynx, that was turned off (but turning it on didnt fix it) |
| 20:42.28 | [twisti] | stew: /etc/popfile/default |
| 20:42.34 | [twisti] | and dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:42.47 | stew | [twisti]: what did you put in /etc/popfile/default ? |
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| 20:43.21 | [twisti] | UILOCAL=no and POPLOCAL=no |
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| 20:44.13 | [twisti] | ah, i got it |
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| 20:44.33 | [twisti] | after setting those values manually with lynx (despite them being set already) and restarting it it works |
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| 20:45.35 | jariep1_ | where on freenode can i go for help with a java applet? |
| 20:45.42 | abrotman | #java perhaps |
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| 20:45.53 | abrotman | erm .. ##java |
| 20:45.56 | [twisti] | thanks for the patient help, i know im an ignoramus |
| 20:45.58 | faffi | stew: where do I go from here, I cant compile a newer driver without gcc |
| 20:45.59 | jariep1_ | abrotmat they dont support applets |
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| 20:46.47 | stew | faffi: it definately doesn't show up in "ifconfig -a"? |
| 20:47.01 | faffi | stew: definately does not |
| 20:47.02 | stew | faffi: the kernel does claim to support that card, so you really shouldn't need a newer driver |
| 20:47.05 | nsadmin | cahoot: it solved part of the problem... now I'm not getting the bash errors but I still get the final message |
| 20:47.22 | nsadmin | after make-kpkg clean I ran make-kpkg debian |
| 20:47.35 | faffi | stew: i know it claims to support it, thats why im frusturated with it |
| 20:48.01 | faffi | i would simply try a new driver too but i cant compile one |
| 20:48.12 | faffi | does the full disc 1 cd of lenny install gcc |
| 20:48.17 | enouf | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=airlied+brick+eeprom+e1000e&btnG=Google+Search |
| 20:49.18 | faffi | ugh |
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| 20:51.24 | nsadmin | cahoot: hey is it ok if I ping you later? I'm afking for probably many hours |
| 20:51.46 | [twisti] | should i report that bug somewhere ? |
| 20:51.51 | cahoot | nsadmin: sorry I won't be of much help really |
| 20:52.19 | nsadmin | oh ok... you're not running 2.6.28 yourself are you? |
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| 20:53.16 | cahoot | nsadmin: I do but not nvidia |
| 20:53.32 | nsadmin | and the kernel build went ok? |
| 20:53.52 | nsadmin | tests something real quick |
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| 20:56.04 | nsadmin | so I moved all module sources out of /usr/src/modules and tried make-kpkg modules_image again, it gave that error msg again... so it never got to the modules at all |
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| 20:56.57 | nsadmin | tested something else: make-kpkg linux_image seems to be working |
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| 20:59.20 | vimpulse | hi all. Is it bad if I make a ~500-character crosspaste from #ati? It includes error messages. |
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| 21:00.17 | \amethyst | !paste |
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| 21:00.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 21:04.40 | max__ | i shall add my user to the group fuse, i use this cmd and it dont work.. usermod -a fuse max |
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| 21:05.09 | Eulex | max__, man adduser |
| 21:05.12 | dupondje | lol, plz kick `ece`, he's spamming for porn :( |
| 21:05.13 | \amethyst | max__: man usermod says -a requires -G |
| 21:05.23 | \amethyst | max__: though there's no reason not to use adduser: adduser max fuse |
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| 21:05.40 | max__ | k |
| 21:06.01 | stew | dupondje: thanks for the heads up |
| 21:06.05 | dupondje | np :) |
| 21:06.17 | abchirk | hm is it a stupid idea to add an unstable repo to sources.list from etch and installing mysql-server 5.0? |
| 21:06.25 | abchirk | ehm I mean mysql 5.1 |
| 21:06.26 | max__ | \amethyst, thx |
| 21:06.34 | vimpulse | abchirk: why do you want 5.1? |
| 21:06.34 | Eulex | abchirk, yes. |
| 21:06.45 | abchirk | vimpulse one application requires it. :( |
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| 21:06.51 | vimpulse | unanswered crosspaste from #ati: I am using Debian testing and an ATI Radeon Xpress 200M card. I installed fglrx-driver and run aticonfig. Now when I start Xorg, my display appears highly messed up, so I can't see anything and Xorg is unusable. What can I do? Errors include "incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work" and many more -- see http://rafb.net/p/YnSCYd32.html |
| 21:06.53 | vimpulse | abchirk: which? |
| 21:06.55 | Eulex | abchirk, does backports.org have it? |
| 21:07.02 | \amethyst | abchirk: yes, not least because that will pull in the unstable version of libc and other libraries |
| 21:07.02 | dupondje | now my question, I have a new system installed, with debian lenny, and it 'feels' so lagged, it workes sometimes nice, and sometimes so 'lagged', if u press dmesg for example, its not a fast list, but 'lagged', any id what could be the cause ? :s |
| 21:07.05 | abrotman | 5.1 is only in experimental AFAICT |
| 21:07.09 | stew | backports wouldn't have it |
| 21:07.11 | \amethyst | abchirk: also, unstable doesn't have 5.1 |
| 21:07.15 | abchirk | fbdjstats its a daemon for a game. |
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| 21:07.31 | vimpulse | abchirk: is there a competitor to fbdjstats which doesn't require 5.1? |
| 21:07.58 | abchirk | no... its a unique app |
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| 21:08.13 | dreamer | hi all, I'm running lenny witch xfce on an Aspire 1400 and I'm trying to get my resolution higher, I modified xorg.conf to use the ati driver (I have an Radeon Mobility M6 LY) and I forced it to use a resolution of 1024x768, but I still get the default 800x600 |
| 21:08.15 | Eulex | vimpulse, so, does the version of the kernel module match the version of the xorg driver? |
| 21:08.32 | abchirk | Can I use the binary version from mysql.com website? |
| 21:08.36 | vimpulse | Eulex: let me check |
| 21:08.37 | Eulex | dreamer, read /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:09.04 | abchirk | What would u do if you need it? |
| 21:09.16 | Eulex | !tell abchirk about ssb |
| 21:09.35 | jelly-home | dreamer: you'll want the radeon driver |
| 21:09.35 | dreamer | Eulex: I did, no errors on the res, it says it added the resolution to the panel |
| 21:09.44 | dreamer | jelly-home: ah, ok |
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| 21:09.56 | dupondje | nobody ? |
| 21:10.25 | dreamer | jelly-home: so just change ati to radeon and restart X? |
| 21:10.36 | jelly-home | dreamer: right |
| 21:10.41 | dreamer | ok, brb :) |
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| 21:10.54 | abchirk | hm Eulex isn't backports only for sid to etch and not for etch to experimental? :P |
| 21:11.14 | vimpulse | Eulex: no. 8.51.3 vs. 8.56.4. But I installed both using aptitude. Why could I have gotten different versions? |
| 21:11.14 | dondelelcaro | abchirk: it's generally only for lenny to etch, though there are exceptions |
| 21:11.26 | stew | abchirk: backports is only for testing to stable, not for unstable to stable or experimental to stable |
| 21:11.39 | stew | (besides the rare exception, yeah) |
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| 21:11.56 | dreamer | jelly-home: nope, still at 800x600 |
| 21:12.00 | dreamer | lemme check the log |
| 21:12.16 | Eulex | abchirk, you can backport packages the same way from experimental to etch through the way dpkg told you, but add a deb-src for experimental and unstable instead |
| 21:12.19 | stew | abchirk: wait, it depends on if you mean 'backports' as a general concept, or as backports.org, we were talking about backports.org |
| 21:12.20 | dondelelcaro | dupondje: you'll have to give us more details on what you mean by laggy |
| 21:12.48 | abchirk | is really confused now!! |
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| 21:13.23 | abchirk | So, I try to go over backports to install mysql5.0 and may add an new repo to my etch? |
| 21:13.24 | \amethyst | abchirk: backports.org is for testing->stable backports. You can backport whatever you want yourself, as long as you can satisfy its build-dependencies |
| 21:13.26 | dupondje | well its just if u type like a command, it not goes fluently .. like cursor gets stuck every 2 seconds .. |
| 21:13.31 | dreamer | jelly-home: no errors |
| 21:13.35 | dupondje | its just strange s: |
| 21:13.39 | vimpulse | abchirk: what is the license for fbdjstats btw? |
| 21:13.46 | \amethyst | abchirk: 5.0 is in etch. If you need 5.1 you will have to get the source package from experimental and build it yourself |
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| 21:15.31 | dupondje | dondelelcaro: if I for example type 'dmesg', it outputs some lines, then waits a second, then another few lines, then again a second ... |
| 21:15.55 | vimpulse | all including Eulex :), repeat, no. My fglrx kernel module is 8.51.3, and my fglrxdrm Xorg module is 8.56.4. But I installed both using aptitude. Why could I have gotten different versions? |
| 21:15.58 | abchirk | vimpulse file:///var/www/myvhost/web/fb/FBDj%20Users%20Manual.htm#_Toc215452249 ... I have never seen a license for that app.. its just for the community :) |
| 21:16.26 | vimpulse | abchirk: do you have the full source code? |
| 21:16.38 | abchirk | \amethyst yes 5.1 sorry... Ok then I should do it. Or is it easier to take the soruce package from mysql.com? |
| 21:16.54 | abchirk | vimpulse yes from the PHP files and SQL, yes. |
| 21:17.21 | \amethyst | abchirk: using the debian source package will build .debs that you can then install on any etch system |
| 21:17.33 | abchirk | ok, I take this way :) |
| 21:17.37 | themill | vimpulse: did you rebuild the kernel module after the recent update? The kernel module version is not managed by apt, only the version of the source code that you use to make it yourself. /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 21:17.43 | \amethyst | abchirk: also, it will be easier to upgrade, uninstall, etc |
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| 21:18.33 | Eulex | vimpulse, pastebin the output of apt-cache policy fglrx-kernel-src fglrx-driver |
| 21:19.02 | abchirk | So just for the plan... I download src from mysql-server 5.1 and build it with a tool to etch package? |
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| 21:19.38 | Eulex | abchirk, dpkg gave you instructions. |
| 21:20.01 | dupondje | dondelelcaro: any id's ? :) |
| 21:20.10 | \amethyst | !ssb |
| 21:20.10 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 21:20.26 | \amethyst | abchirk: use that, except 'experimental' instead of 'sid' |
| 21:20.46 | abchirk | yeah, that was the think which confused me. But I'll try this now. :) |
| 21:20.51 | themill | Are people actually trusting their data to mysql 5.1 these days? |
| 21:20.54 | abchirk | *thing |
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| 21:22.16 | abrotman | themill: s/5.1// |
| 21:22.24 | themill | heh |
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| 21:23.52 | x1250 | themill, why you ask? I am... shouldn't I? :P |
| 21:24.03 | dreamer | hmmm, does anyone have an idea how to get the higher resolution working on my radeon card? this 800x600 kind of sucks -_- |
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| 21:24.36 | vimpulse | sorry all, my laptop's battery died without warning. Could someone please /msg me everything that was said to me, or everything that everyone said, since 4:20pm? |
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| 21:24.50 | vimpulse | no, since 4:16pm |
| 21:25.12 | dondelelcaro | dupondje: what machine is this? what kernel are you running? are you just running dmesg or piping it through less? what does time dmesg > /dev/null; do? |
| 21:25.17 | themill | vimpulse: [21:17] <themill> vimpulse: did you rebuild the kernel module after the recent update? The kernel module version is not managed by apt, only the version of the source code that you use to make it yourself. /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 21:25.18 | dreamer | it's 10:25pm here, so that would be alot vimpulse |
| 21:25.24 | vimpulse | dreamer: lol :) |
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| 21:26.06 | vimpulse | thanks themill. |
| 21:26.21 | Eulex | <Eulex> vimpulse, pastebin the output of apt-cache policy fglrx-kernel-src fglrx-driver |
| 21:26.30 | dupondje | real 0m0.004s, 2.6.26-1-amd64 (debian lenny), just running dmesg, its a fast machine, AMD X2 5600+ :) |
| 21:26.51 | dondelelcaro | dupondje: so your problem isn't dmesg itself or the machine, it's whatever dmesg is outputing too |
| 21:26.54 | dondelelcaro | s/too/to/ |
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| 21:27.02 | dondelelcaro | dupondje: how are you displaying the dmesg output? |
| 21:27.14 | dupondje | i'm connected with putty ... |
| 21:27.30 | \amethyst | dupondje: perhaps your ssh connection is laggy? |
| 21:27.31 | dupondje | over internet, but If i speedtest, I get like 500kb/sec from it ... |
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| 21:27.55 | \amethyst | latency matters more than throughput for this purpose |
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| 21:28.14 | dupondje | 40ms .. |
| 21:28.35 | acxty | HI guys, I have a problem suddenly the system changes to read-only file system, May someone asist me with this? |
| 21:28.49 | dondelelcaro | dupondje: anyway, your problem isn't the machine itself; it's some issue with the network transport between the machine and you |
| 21:28.58 | dondelelcaro | acxty: check dmeseg |
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| 21:29.02 | dondelelcaro | s/dmeseg/dmesg/ |
| 21:29.21 | dondelelcaro | acxty: any time that happens, it's because there are errors on the filesystem, and the kernel remounts the filesystem to avoid making the situtation worse |
| 21:29.22 | dupondje | dondelelcaro: could it be some sshd setting ? |
| 21:29.38 | dondelelcaro | dupondje: there's no setting that I'm aware of that could cause that behavoir |
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| 21:29.56 | acxty | ok |
| 21:30.01 | j0d3_ | Hi :-Ã |
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| 21:31.25 | vimpulse | themill: Eulex: When I installed fglrx-driver, I did not install fglrx-kernel-src. But aptitude pulled in fglrx-modules automatically. I chose fglrx-modules-2.6.26-1-686 version 2.6.26+8-7-1 automatically. I guess I did wrong? What is in fglrx-modules-2.6.26 anyway? |
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| 21:31.43 | shafu | hello, how can i install a .deb package? |
| 21:32.03 | \amethyst | shafu: dpkg -i filename.deb but you'll need all the dependencies installed first |
| 21:32.21 | themill | vimpulse: the version of that package in lenny hasn't been updated for some reason :( |
| 21:32.41 | vimpulse | shafu: why do you want to install a .deb package manually instead of using synaptic or aptitude to get it? which package? |
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| 21:32.58 | vimpulse | themill: why don't they remove it from testing? |
| 21:33.29 | vimpulse | j0d3_: hi |
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| 21:34.40 | themill | vimpulse: it looks like it will probably be updated tomorrow. You can build your own package using module-assistant though. |
| 21:35.57 | vimpulse | themill: doing that. |
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| 21:38.43 | BitUnique | how do i get to browse shared drives and folders with samba? i can only seems to be able to set up my own shares. but not browse shares |
| 21:39.13 | linkslice | BitUnique, I use smb4k |
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| 21:39.46 | themill | smb4k is a very nice tool for that |
| 21:40.06 | shafu | thx |
| 21:40.28 | BitUnique | thanks |
| 21:40.37 | shafu | vimpulse : because i got a error when trying to dl lynx..from the local mirror..i downloaded the .deb manually from other source :) |
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| 21:44.39 | vimpulse | all who helped me, including themill: Yes! It finally works now. Thank you very much. |
| 21:45.16 | themill | no worries, happy hunting |
| 21:45.22 | vimpulse | :) |
| 21:46.09 | n-iCe | who knows kbasic |
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| 21:49.16 | BitUnique | is it possible to change the location of my cd-drive to a netork shared one? like, if i want to start a game, i want the game to look for the disc on a shared cd-drive |
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| 21:50.15 | abrotman | n-iCe: please stop taking polls, just ask your real question |
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| 21:51.22 | n-iCe | pokes alekz |
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| 21:55.12 | alekz | Hi! Why every time I re-enable the networking the DNS values changes? |
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| 21:55.31 | sloot | Free Rapidshare accounts: http://konta-rs.waw.pl/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=24c221a2e836fc59cc0dcdac1f103d78 |
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| 21:57.17 | DogWater | if you do apt-get install openssh-server and then apt-get install ssh what is the difference? |
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| 21:57.58 | DogWater | server only installs the daemon and ssh installs the clients and the daemon, or what? |
| 21:58.02 | R-A-F | http://www.unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=9362243 |
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| 21:58.36 | hark | DogWater: apt-cache show ssh |
| 21:59.12 | stew | pyjamaparty is the new pennergame? |
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| 22:00.59 | nsadmin | DogWater: look at the depends (dpkg -s packagename, and dpkg --help to see its other abilities) |
| 22:01.01 | nsadmin | or |
| 22:01.22 | nsadmin | !depends openssh-server |
| 22:01.51 | nsadmin | (should ask ubuntu folks why ubotu is so fast with that) |
| 22:01.55 | dpkg | openssh-server: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.59), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8g-9), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 1.2.0) | debconf-2.0, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-14), libpam-modules (>= 0.72-9), adduser (>= 3.9), dpkg (>= 1.9.0), openssh-client (= 1:5.1p1-5), lsb-base (>= 3.2-13), openssh-blacklist, procps |
| 22:02.16 | themill | judd: depends openssh-server |
| 22:02.17 | judd | themill: openssh-server -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libpam0g (>= 0.76), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), libwrap0, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 1.2.0) | debconf-2.0, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-14), libpam-modules (>= 0.72-9), adduser (>= 3.9), dpkg (>= 1.9.0), openssh-client (= 1:4.3p2-9etch3), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-4etch3), openssh-blacklist |
| 22:02.27 | themill | nsadmin: just use the right bot for the job :) |
| 22:02.49 | nsadmin | becausew the left bot is too close to nevada? |
| 22:03.07 | themill | something like that |
| 22:03.14 | stew | in fact the left bot is much closer to nevada |
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| 22:03.39 | nsadmin | oh cool... you -do- like to play... |
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| 22:03.51 | nsadmin | like that :) |
| 22:04.04 | stew | the left bot being in california and the right bot being in new york |
| 22:04.16 | nsadmin | ahh |
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| 22:05.29 | nsadmin | openssh-client is somehow ssh? |
| 22:05.48 | buu | Somehow? |
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| 22:05.59 | funky | is it possible having a more recent version of gnome than the one in sid? |
| 22:06.03 | acxty | dondelelcaro, I run fsck to fix the error but still is running as read only |
| 22:06.04 | nsadmin | I thought the client was in package "ssh" |
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| 22:06.16 | funky | is there any unofficial repository for it? |
| 22:06.25 | stew | judd: depends ssh |
| 22:06.26 | judd | stew: ssh -- Depends: openssh-client, openssh-server |
| 22:06.30 | nsadmin | funky: sure, but then you're maintainer for it... one way is to build it |
| 22:06.40 | stew | nsadmin: ssh just depends on both client and server |
| 22:06.50 | nsadmin | frought with twisty packages, all different and all alike... |
| 22:06.53 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 22:06.59 | nsadmin | so that's his answer |
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| 22:07.32 | nsadmin | DogWater: heard that? |
| 22:08.21 | funky | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.24-status.html |
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| 22:13.14 | alekz | Hi! Why every time I re-enable my network connection the DNS changes? |
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| 22:13.28 | nsadmin | alekz: dhcp is giving you the dns server |
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| 22:14.15 | nsadmin | you could try installing resolvconf, which adds specifiers usable in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:16.20 | alekz | Thanks nsadmin let me try it |
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| 22:16.41 | max06 | Hi, I've got a problem with the openSSH-client... please have a look at http://max06.de/twin1.png and http://max06.de/twin2.png ... the second one is a running putty with UTF-8-tanslation |
| 22:16.52 | JordiGH | Is there a quick way to configure exim4 so that I can send bugreports directly from reportbug? |
| 22:16.59 | max06 | I want the same result using the openssh-client |
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| 22:21.46 | batman_ramirez | in what package is glxinfo |
| 22:21.49 | batman_ramirez | pls |
| 22:21.52 | batman_ramirez | halp |
| 22:22.07 | stew | batman_ramirez: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 22:22.25 | Blues-Man | hi all |
| 22:22.41 | Blues-Man | i'v got this strange error while trying to startx on a eeebox with debian testing |
| 22:22.47 | Blues-Man | write to /sys/class/backlight/eeepc/brightness for backlight control failed: Invalid argument |
| 22:23.14 | Blues-Man | i have a dvi-vga adapter because my monitor is vga and the eeebox has dvi |
| 22:23.20 | batman_ramirez | stew: great tool thanks |
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| 22:28.36 | SQlvpapir | I just found out the hard way that a script containing sudo umount /mnt/cifsshare followed by rm -rf /mnt/cifsshare is a BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD idea. especially when starting the script when the wireless is down and comes online again when the script tried to purge every subdir.. ouch |
| 22:29.02 | holdenSK | ouch indeed |
| 22:29.48 | SQlvpapir | Im glad it was just a dump and the important stuff was write protected |
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| 22:30.09 | SQlvpapir | only now I gotta figure out wth I was doing before the incident |
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| 22:33.32 | themill | JordiGH: what do you mean? |
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| 22:33.56 | JordiGH | themill: I want my laptop to be able to send emails! Instead of saving them in /tmp and then using gmail tot send them. |
| 22:35.03 | themill | JordiGH: ahh... then configure your mta to use a smarthost. (reportbug can be set up to directly use a debian.org MTA if that's your only use for it) |
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| 22:35.44 | JordiGH | Ah, ok, setting up a debian.org MTA is probably easier. |
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| 22:36.49 | themill | JordiGH: check /usr/share/doc/reportbug/README.Users |
| 22:37.27 | themill | and also NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 22:38.31 | JordiGH | themill: Hm, that seems to only mention Gmail... I'd rather not use Gmail. :-) |
| 22:40.32 | themill | JordiGH: err... NEWS.Debian.gz doesn't, and what's wrong with using the gmail smtp servers for that anyway? |
| 22:40.48 | JordiGH | themill: I'm trying to move away from Gmail, not get more wrapped up with it. |
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| 22:42.00 | acxty | HI guys how can I reinstall a package |
| 22:42.13 | JordiGH | aptitude reinstall thepackage |
| 22:42.13 | stew | acxty: aptitude reinstall packagename |
| 22:42.19 | JordiGH | !win |
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| 22:43.56 | JordiGH | themill: But do I need a Debian user to use Debian to relay bugs? Probably, eh? |
| 22:44.10 | zinx | JordiGH: no |
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| 22:44.38 | JordiGH | I just put bugs.debian.org as my SMTP host for reportbug and that's it? |
| 22:44.49 | kaj | ok i have ubuntu 8.10 with firefox 3.0 installed it keeps opening up to full screen mode does anyone know anything about this issue? |
| 22:45.04 | dmoerner | kaj: go to #ubuntu for help |
| 22:45.12 | acxty | stew, I am trying to do that |
| 22:45.15 | CyberGabber | Ik wil van FLAC-files weer een Audio-CD branden met 'Brasero Disc Burning', maar omdat ik te weinig schijfruimte vrij heb (voor het omzetten), krijg ik de melding "Session error : The location you chose to store the temporary image on does not have enough free space for the disc image (638 MiB needed)". Waar kan ik aanpassen dat hij die ruimte op een andere Harddisk moet zoeken ? |
| 22:45.18 | kaj | did no answers there so im trying here |
| 22:45.26 | acxty | but I am getting an error that cannot lock list |
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| 22:45.34 | acxty | I am running as root |
| 22:45.34 | JordiGH | kaj: We're not Ubuntu, sorry. |
| 22:45.36 | stew | kaj: sorry, we can't help you here |
| 22:45.44 | JordiGH | wonders... Dutch? |
| 22:45.46 | JordiGH | !nl |
| 22:45.47 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 22:45.50 | stew | acxty: you need to quit whatever other package manager is running |
| 22:45.58 | acxty | nothing else |
| 22:46.06 | kaj | ok i was under the impression that ubuntu is debian based |
| 22:46.07 | acxty | I had just did a fsck |
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| 22:46.14 | acxty | that the hd contains some errors |
| 22:46.20 | stew | kaj: it is, but it's off-toic here |
| 22:46.26 | acxty | and now I am having this problems |
| 22:46.30 | JordiGH | kaj: It is, but then again, ozone is oxygen based, isn't it? ;-) |
| 22:46.51 | kaj | ok so you all chose not to give me any help i guess |
| 22:46.57 | JordiGH | kaj: There isn't even a Firefox in Debian. ;-) |
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| 22:47.14 | themill | JordiGH: read NEWS.Debian.gz... |
| 22:47.32 | stew | kaj: the people that choose to help are either already in #ubuntu or are helping you privately. the rules of this channel prevent us from helping you here |
| 22:47.32 | siyb | kaj: it is, but there is an ubuntu channel for such enquiries, try to ask your question there |
| 22:47.48 | kaj | what r u talking about i have debian with firefox on my other compurt |
| 22:47.58 | stew | kaj: if you can't find an answer on irc, i'd recommend trying a web forum or a mailing list |
| 22:48.06 | siyb | kaj: additional ubuntu package != debian package |
| 22:48.14 | stew | kaj: debian has a fork of firefox named iceweasel instead |
| 22:48.17 | dmoerner | kaj: in that case, you are running sarge, which is not really supported either |
| 22:48.21 | JordiGH | kaj: There is no Firefox package in the official Debian repositories. ;-) |
| 22:48.29 | Xanthor[aw] | (kaj : or #firefox on irc.mozilla.org) |
| 22:48.33 | kaj | debian sarge build with firfox incl. from the debian site |
| 22:48.35 | stew | JordiGH: but there is! |
| 22:48.38 | karsten | kaj: Channel comes with a money-back guarantee. |
| 22:48.38 | karsten | !tell kaj abou tuubuntu |
| 22:48.46 | karsten | !tell kaj about ubuntu |
| 22:48.56 | JordiGH | stew: O RLY |
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| 22:49.04 | themill | dpkg, fix karsten's keyboard |
| 22:49.05 | dpkg | takes karsten's keyboard to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 22:49.09 | stew | JordiGH: http://packages.debian.org/firefox :) |
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| 22:49.33 | JordiGH | stew: Oh, wow, we still have that? I thought it was removed.. it was! It's only in etch. |
| 22:50.01 | syzygy | Hi all, I am trying to access the links for Alsa Supported Audio Cards...to dl drivers, but they will not load off of the alsa wiki anybody know where to get the drivers for an RME Multiface II |
| 22:50.07 | syzygy | ? |
| 22:50.11 | JordiGH | Is Mozilla gonna sue us because we have a package that redirects users to Iceweasel when they try to install Firefox? :-) |
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| 22:50.22 | nat2610 | I'm trying to put my .deb package of my program availiable through apt-get, so far, I have my package (works with dpkg -i) and my personal mirror of apt-get (apt-mirror) ... how do I add my own stuff into that/ |
| 22:50.22 | nat2610 | ? |
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| 22:51.35 | kaj | debian off topic were all techies here at least i thought we were have a good day all u unhelpful debianaholics |
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| 22:52.57 | JordiGH | kaj: Ubuntu modifies Debian packages in weird and unpredictable ways, as you yourself are experiencing. So ask the modifiers what they modified. |
| 22:52.57 | stew | kaj: thanks, you as well |
| 22:53.19 | JordiGH | isn't a debianholic; he can quit whenever he wants. He's a Debianists! |
| 22:53.21 | JordiGH | Debianista |
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| 22:55.18 | acxty | is there any deb site for zimbra on etch? |
| 22:57.11 | nat2610 | can you setup a deb site for an deb package not stored a server from source.list ? |
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| 22:57.40 | themill | !own repo |
| 22:57.40 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro> |
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| 22:59.02 | nat2610 | themill, awsome thanks ! |
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| 22:59.37 | themill | no worries. If you have a few packages and a local webserver, then reprepro is a better solution |
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| 23:05.23 | Inazad | what is the name of the network tools that can display all the computers and ports opened in a range of IP ? |
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| 23:05.55 | dkr | Inazad: nmap |
| 23:06.09 | Inazad | no.. its have a gui |
| 23:06.33 | dkr | why do you need a GUI to see a list of computers? |
| 23:07.02 | dkr | anyway: knmap - KDE interface to nmap, the Network Mapper |
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| 23:07.34 | JordiGH | ?? |
| 23:07.36 | JordiGH | Oh, wow. |
| 23:07.45 | JordiGH | That must be the most useless gui ever. :-) |
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| 23:08.17 | dkr | wel, nmap does have a lot of commandline options. I geuss it could save on having to remember those or read nmap --help :) |
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| 23:08.56 | JordiGH | dkr: GUIs usually miss several options or have a place for you to manually enter options anyways... |
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| 23:09.24 | Inazad | lol |
| 23:09.52 | Inazad | I want a soft how output me all the device connected through my Internet Modem such as router, tv receiver, switch, etc |
| 23:09.59 | dkr | the best GUI for a network map is the sonar xscreensaver. it shows them on a sonar scope with their distance plotted based on ping time. :) |
| 23:10.33 | dkr | Inazad: why are you laughing out loud? |
| 23:11.03 | Inazad | dkr: because of the JordiGH joke |
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| 23:11.24 | JordiGH | wishes he was joking. |
| 23:11.52 | dkr | "GUIs usually miss options", yeah, hilarious, I am going to memorize it to tell at cocktail parties |
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| 23:14.55 | Jorophose | how do I change the time in Lenny? or even the timezone? I suddenly fell one hour behind.. |
| 23:15.19 | JordiGH | tzconfig, or maybe that was the old way. |
| 23:15.31 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 23:15.31 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 23:19.34 | teratoma | how do i convert a Dia diagram to PDF ? |
| 23:21.07 | haxi | mh, debian-testing-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ is a netinstall, right ? |
| 23:21.30 | nat2610 | teratoma, print it |
| 23:21.39 | teratoma | oh good idea |
| 23:21.45 | JordiGH | teratoma: Tried imagemagick's convert? |
| 23:22.00 | abrotman | haxi: that's CD1 .. a netinst would say "netinst" |
| 23:22.02 | JordiGH | haxi: No, that's a full CD. |
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| 23:22.47 | abrotman | haxi: like this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 23:23.02 | abrotman | or this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 23:23.52 | themill | teratoma: can't dia export as latex/pgf/tikz code? |
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| 23:25.45 | dondelelcaro | dia can export eps and tex, which you can trivially convert to pdf |
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| 23:26.01 | JordiGH | pdflatex :-) |
| 23:26.40 | dondelelcaro | another exciting alternative: dia -t svg foo.dia; inkscape -A foo.pdf foo.svg; |
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| 23:27.52 | JordiGH | Speaking of vector drawing, what's the current status of Xara? |
| 23:28.04 | Inazad | its possible to get all ips connected through a internet modem ? |
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| 23:29.06 | Jorophose | where can I find a map that tells me what to use for tzdata? I have no idea which of those cities lines up with mine (ottawa)... |
| 23:29.32 | dkr | Jorophose: google :) |
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| 23:30.11 | JordiGH | Jorophose: Same timezone as Montreal. |
| 23:30.21 | JordiGH | Jorophose: I'm pretty sure Montreal is in the list. |
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| 23:30.49 | dkr | Jorophose: ontario is eastern time zone, so America/New_York |
| 23:30.52 | Jorophose | JordiGH: Thanks. I thought we were with Toronto... it's fairly confusing to be honest, because Toronto, Montreal, and Pang are roughly all in the same timezone but each get a distinct mention on the list. |
| 23:30.55 | chuck | hey, i have git-core installed, but I'm getting this error when I try to use it: |
| 23:30.56 | chuck | charlie@serv5:/home/yourwiki/config$ git -v |
| 23:30.56 | chuck | -bash: git: command not found |
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| 23:31.21 | Jorophose | ok, both montreal and new york are there... final verdict? |
| 23:31.33 | JordiGH | dkr: I'm pretty sure not all of Ontario is in the same time zone. Surely thunder bay is different? |
| 23:31.41 | stew | chuck: does "/usr/bin/git -k" work? |
| 23:31.55 | chuck | stew: /usr/bin/git no such file or directory |
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| 23:32.26 | stew | chuck: try "aptitude reinstall git-core" |
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| 23:32.38 | chuck | stew: still nothing |
| 23:32.50 | dkr | JordiGH: ah, yeah, some purple(central) on west side of it. http://www.timetemperature.com/tzca/canada_time_zone.shtml |
| 23:33.03 | stew | chuck: what does "apt-cache policy git-core" say for Installed: ? |
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| 23:33.18 | chuck | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.41 | Jorophose | ok, so new york works I think, it's got the hour right at least. |
| 23:34.11 | stew | dpkg: find usr/bin/git etch |
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| 23:34.21 | chuck | nothing, i already checked package search |
| 23:34.27 | Jorophose | confirmed with google, it's the right time. Thanks guys. Have some cake while I wait for GEM to fix my i810 bugs. :) |
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| 23:34.36 | stew | chuck: you probably want the backports version anyway :) |
| 23:35.02 | chuck | installing the backports one seems to have fixed it |
| 23:35.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/bin/git' (4): (/usr/bin/git-archimport) in devel/git-arch ;; (/usr/bin/git-send-email) in devel/git-email ;; (/usr/bin/{git-add|git-am|git-annotate|...}) in devel/git-core ;; (/usr/bin/{git-cvsexportcommit|git-cvsimport|git-cvsserver}) in devel/git-cvs. |
| 23:35.43 | stew | chuck: oh, yeah, that version might be old enough that you need to use FE "git-checkout" instead of "git checkout" |
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| 23:36.02 | chuck | oh, right |
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| 23:39.58 | stew | chuck: "/msg dpkg bpo" if you want a much more recent version of git for etch |
| 23:40.18 | chuck | yeah i installed backports git |
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| 23:47.14 | batman_ramirez | except pidgin |
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| 23:49.29 | themill | batman_ramirez: kopete |
| 23:49.52 | batman_ramirez | mercury supports webcam ? |
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| 23:59.23 | DL7LN | hi...i'm new to debian and i want to install xfce4 and xorg...but apt-get install said me, that he doesn't know about them... |
| 23:59.50 | DL7LN | are there sources i have to add into somewhere? |
