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| 00:00.58 | \amethyst | DL7LN: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:01.30 | \amethyst | DL7LN: it sounds like you're missing a repository, or you're using something older than etch for which the repositories no longer exist |
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| 00:01.43 | JordiGH | DL7LN: You should be using aptitude unless you know of a good reason not to. And show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:01.43 | JordiGH | DL7LN: Paste it somewhere. |
| 00:02.10 | DL7LN | i'm using the last netinstall...mom, it's on a different machine...so i have to look how to paste it without x |
| 00:02.27 | \amethyst | DL7LN: there's a script available |
| 00:02.33 | \amethyst | !pastebin script |
| 00:02.34 | DL7LN | where? |
| 00:02.36 | \amethyst | !pastebinit |
| 00:02.37 | dpkg | somebody said pastebinit was a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 00:02.41 | \amethyst | oh |
| 00:02.53 | \amethyst | if you're having apt problems I guess an apt-get command doesn't help :) |
| 00:02.59 | DL7LN | k |
| 00:03.32 | DL7LN | could not find pastebinit |
| 00:03.37 | DL7LN | hm... |
| 00:03.40 | \amethyst | moment |
| 00:03.43 | DL7LN | one mom |
| 00:04.00 | \amethyst | DL7LN: http://paste.debian.net/paste.pl?show_template=clients |
| 00:04.16 | \amethyst | DL7LN: that has links to a perl script and a python script to paste to paste.debian.net |
| 00:04.20 | DL7LN | ok....in the file stands only the cdrom...no other reps |
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| 00:04.45 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 00:04.47 | \amethyst | ugh |
| 00:05.01 | \amethyst | even those might not work because they depend on some extra packages |
| 00:05.16 | \amethyst | DL7LN: okay, so you'll need to add an entry for one of the mirrors |
| 00:05.20 | \amethyst | !sources.list |
| 00:05.20 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 00:06.14 | \amethyst | DL7LN: ^^^ dpkg lists the two lines you should have. <cc> is your country code, like "de" |
| 00:06.29 | DL7LN | thnx ;) |
| 00:06.34 | DL7LN | i will try it out |
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| 00:08.42 | DL7LN | iz working ;) |
| 00:09.23 | DL7LN | mmmh...i don't know whether it's working fine, it's only doing something after aptitude update |
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| 00:10.00 | DL7LN | ok...no i can fetch xorg.... |
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| 00:16.59 | thief` | i have a tar.gz of vmware, i just simply don't know what to do with it. i un - tar'd it, and there is no dir for /.configure or /.make to work. |
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| 00:18.13 | hark | thief`: ask #vmware |
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| 00:19.34 | thief` | it has nothing to do with vmware though, it's a simple 'i don't know how to install a prog' question. |
| 00:19.54 | stew | thief`: is there not a README or INSTALL with instructions? |
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| 00:21.09 | JordiGH | thief`: No, you obviously have an idea how to install a program that uses the GNU build system; it's vmware you don't understand. Ask them. |
| 00:21.32 | thief` | there is just a /bin /doc /etc/installer /lib /man /sbin /usr that type of thing. does that mean anything ? |
| 00:21.43 | thief` | ... this is after i extract from the tar.gz |
| 00:21.56 | karsten | thief`: third-party software installation options vary widely. Find the vendor's instructions. |
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| 00:22.16 | thief` | i understand how to do the /.configure and all that, but i can't with this. |
| 00:22.33 | stew | thief`: read the README or INSTALL. they should be in the top level directory. if not, look in doc. if not, then try http://vmware.com/support |
| 00:22.38 | thief` | in /installer there is just a services.sh file. |
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| 00:23.28 | lazarus477 | Hello. I am mucking about with HDPARM. I am using /etc/hdparm.conf to set read_ahead_sect to = 2048. If I do this from a command line it works fine but not from hdparm.conf. |
| 00:23.34 | lazarus477 | Anyone know of this issue? |
| 00:23.38 | thief` | uhh, this sucks. |
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| 00:23.48 | vinc456 | n/j python |
| 00:25.07 | lazarus477 | When doing: hdparm -a2048 /dev/sda it works and a test of hdparm -tT /dev/sda shows a great speed increase plus hdparm /dev/sda shows the correct value set as 2048... |
| 00:25.15 | lazarus477 | Debian Lenny, latest. |
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| 00:26.01 | bitmonk | thief`: consider that it may be intended to be untarred directly with a target of /, to put files in /bin /sbin /usr/lib /etc and so forth.. of course, be careful when doing such a thing. |
| 00:26.35 | thief` | ahh, that makes sense. |
| 00:26.36 | stew | i certainly wouldn't do such a thing unless the install instructions that came with the software told me to, and i'd still then be worried |
| 00:26.39 | thief` | hmm |
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| 00:27.21 | thief` | the dirs do look like that. but yeah, i do'nt wanna dump files everywhere. |
| 00:28.20 | stew | doesn't look like that to me |
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| 00:29.14 | stew | for instance, /man woulnd't be in the manpath |
| 00:29.26 | leikh | is it possible to run dpkg as not-root? I'm on shared hosting and I need to install the postgres-lib locally for the perl-module DBD::pg to connect to a remote database... |
| 00:29.53 | stew | leikh: you can't use dpkg to install software except as root |
| 00:29.54 | thief` | vmware-install.pl is in the root folder of the tar.gz |
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| 00:30.07 | thief` | i clicked that, but didn't do anything. |
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| 00:31.40 | leikh | stew: I googled and found someone mentioning 'dpkg --force-not-root', but I can't find it in the docs. So I guess not, then... |
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| 00:32.24 | stew | leikh: you can extract the contents of the deb, and install it by hand in $HOME |
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| 00:33.09 | leikh | stew: can it help me with dependencies as well? |
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| 00:33.32 | stew | leikh: nope |
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| 00:33.50 | stew | leikh: though, perhaps you could get some other tool, like apt-zip to help you |
| 00:34.15 | leikh | stew: ok, I'll look into that. |
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| 00:35.24 | josinalvo | hi there. I am trying to install the package "hal" version 0.5.11-6, but I cant ... I set /etc/apt/preferences, and it says "package does not exist" |
| 00:36.00 | dmoerner | josinalvo: no such version is in debian at the moment, 0.5.11-8 is what is used in testing and sid |
| 00:37.18 | josinalvo | dmoerner: well, it existed a while ago ... I have some machines using it (and working) and some not using it (and pendrives dont mount) so I am trying to figure out if there is a conection. Anywhere I can download the package ? |
| 00:37.19 | parodyoflanguage | Anyone know of a good tool that will convert excel files? |
| 00:37.31 | themill | parodyoflanguage: to what? |
| 00:37.39 | stew | parodyoflanguage: unoconv (which is part of openoffice.org) |
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| 00:38.00 | parodyoflanguage | stew, can you use it stand-alone? |
| 00:38.18 | themill | parodyoflanguage: unoconv can be used from a script, if that's what you mean |
| 00:38.20 | stew | parodyoflanguage: not really |
| 00:38.31 | stew | yeah, but it needs to be able to start an x client |
| 00:38.40 | stew | and it needs openoffice.org to be installed |
| 00:38.49 | parodyoflanguage | Well, I don't have the disk space for openoffice.org |
| 00:38.52 | themill | It needs X as well does it? oh :( |
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| 00:39.20 | stew | yeah, its annoying, you think its running headless, then it starts getting nowhere, and you realize that the machine has a "start document recovery?" window that is holding it up |
| 00:39.29 | dmoerner | josinalvo: snapshot.debian.net isn't updating anymore so you are out of luck |
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| 00:39.41 | themill | stew: useless |
| 00:39.52 | parodyoflanguage | Kind of sad. |
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| 00:40.24 | parodyoflanguage | I mean, applications like open office should be composed of thousands of separable components rather than one monolithic application. |
| 00:40.25 | baggend | Can anyone suggest a way to run the debian installer from a temporary partition on the hard drive? I'm trying to do a remote install on a machine that currently has CentOS installed, and would like to run through the whole installer process over SSH after booting from the HD. |
| 00:42.03 | dondelelcaro | baggend: you can probably do it using the hdimage partitions, though it'd be faster to just use debootstrap |
| 00:42.16 | \amethyst | parodyoflanguage: maybe not thousands, but hundreds |
| 00:42.17 | josinalvo | dmoerner: isn't there some official tool that would do the job ? I find it odd that the package just can't be found in the debian repositories ... |
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| 00:42.27 | \amethyst | peleg: check out /usr/lib/openoffice/program/ sometime |
| 00:42.50 | baggend | dondelelcaro: I actually have debootstrap installed already, but the directions I've been able to find are out of date. (referring to base-config, which is no longer available) |
| 00:43.09 | parodyoflanguage | \amethyst, I should have said "multitude" :) |
| 00:43.18 | dondelelcaro | baggend: ah, yeah, you don't use base-config anymroe |
| 00:43.27 | dondelelcaro | baggend: most everything you can just configure manually pretty easily |
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| 00:43.37 | dondelelcaro | baggend: but if you want to run through the installer, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
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| 00:44.15 | dmoerner | josinalvo: the newer version of hal fixes rc bugs, why do you want to have the older debian revision? |
| 00:44.17 | baggend | dondelelcaro: That's perfect! Thanks! :) |
| 00:44.50 | dondelelcaro | (basically, whether you can do it with debootstrap depends on how familiar you are with Debian; there's no real central documentation of that that I'm aware of) |
| 00:45.49 | josinalvo | dmoerner: The 8 version is showing an odd behaviour. It does not mount to people in plugdev unless they can be found on /etc/group |
| 00:46.15 | josinalvo | (I am not sure how else they can get in plugdev, because other admin did that) |
| 00:46.41 | dmoerner | josinalvo: am i missing something? how can you be a member of plugdev without being in /etc/group |
| 00:46.42 | \amethyst | josinalvo: pam_group maybe ? |
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| 00:47.16 | baggend | dondelelcaro: I'm very familiar with Debian overall, just looking for the quickest option. I know that I can run through the installer in 15 minutes. Not sure that the same could be said for doing it by hand. :) |
| 00:47.26 | dmoerner | josinalvo: if you really want -6, just grab the svn revision and build it yourself |
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| 00:55.10 | josinalvo | dmoerner : and how would I do that ? |
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| 00:57.33 | sysrpx | hello |
| 00:57.37 | sysrpx | hey, i have this problem ... my gnome desktop theme is comepletly messed up and the appearance applet isn't able to select a different theme (it selects it, but the theme isn't chanigng) .. what should i do? |
| 00:58.06 | sysrpx | anyone? |
| 00:58.17 | TheWanderer | sysrpx: what I'd do is move away my config files then try and reconfigure it |
| 00:58.30 | TheWanderer | and revert files one by one to see where the problem is |
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| 00:58.44 | TheWanderer | config files tend to grow messy over time |
| 00:59.01 | sysrpx | which confifg file stores the theme information? |
| 00:59.28 | sysrpx | somewhere in ~/.themes ? |
| 00:59.44 | TheWanderer | My ~/.themes is empty |
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| 01:00.04 | sysrpx | damn |
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| 01:00.06 | TheWanderer | therefore I guess .gnome* dirs are responsible for that |
| 01:00.36 | JordiGH | sysrpx: Stupid, tried just restarting Gnome? Maybe just restarting Nautilus will do. |
| 01:00.45 | sysrpx | i rebooted |
| 01:00.52 | sysrpx | it's still broken |
| 01:01.45 | sysrpx | i have a .gnome2 ... but no .gnoe |
| 01:02.06 | TheWanderer | so have you tried moving it away? |
| 01:02.08 | dmoerner | josinalvo: svn co svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-utopia/packages/unstable/hal && cd hal && svn update -r2495 && su root -c "apt-get build-dep hal" && dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b |
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| 01:02.37 | sysrpx | do you mean renaming the .gnome2 folder? |
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| 01:03.16 | josinalvo | dmoerner: well, thanks ! I'll come back to say if it worked |
| 01:03.33 | TheWanderer | sysrpx: yes, moving it to a safe location where GNOME can not read it |
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| 01:03.50 | sysrpx | i just renamed it .gnomexxx |
| 01:04.01 | TheWanderer | sysrpx: restarted GNOME? |
| 01:04.06 | sysrpx | one sec |
| 01:04.15 | sysrpx | it's gonna kill my irc client |
| 01:04.16 | sysrpx | brb |
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| 01:23.20 | PiousMinion | Anyone know of a NFS as ROOT tutorial that doesn't involve diskless or PXE operation? |
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| 01:25.04 | TheWanderer | PiousMinion: Why would you want to use NFS as ROOT with a disk? It's kindof purposeless... |
| 01:25.31 | PiousMinion | TheWanderer: Makes perfect sense if you use xen. |
| 01:25.35 | PiousMinion | :P |
| 01:26.08 | TheWanderer | Can't Xen do PXE? |
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| 01:26.35 | TheWanderer | I've never seen such a setup, but I'm perfectly sure it is possible either with a properly tuned /etc/fstab or custom initrd. |
| 01:26.36 | PiousMinion | Hmm, not sure, but that seems to be a bit more involved than what I'm trying to do. |
| 01:27.07 | PiousMinion | Well, if you are curious what I have and the results I'm getting. --> https://xen.privatepaste.com/671bUqODTB |
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| 01:29.03 | TheWanderer | PiousMinion: I see |
| 01:29.13 | TheWanderer | rpc failed bugs the crap out of me too |
| 01:29.23 | TheWanderer | PiousMinion: However, please check your host /etc/hosts |
| 01:29.35 | PiousMinion | checking now. |
| 01:29.48 | TheWanderer | Do you have localhost in there? Lack of 'localhost' in hosts file produces weird results on Debian with NFS boot |
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| 01:30.40 | PiousMinion | both localhost and the hostname exist in the guest hosts file. |
| 01:31.02 | TheWanderer | PiousMinion: I mean the host system's /etc/hosts |
| 01:31.07 | TheWanderer | The NFS server's file |
| 01:31.49 | TheWanderer | Cause the last time I was getting rpc failed: 2, it was due to /etc/hosts being misconfigured |
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| 01:32.10 | PiousMinion | the host's hosts file(not confusing at all) looks normal. |
| 01:32.25 | TheWanderer | PiousMinion: are you using nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 01:33.03 | PiousMinion | no, using the "nfs-user-server". should that matter? |
| 01:33.08 | TheWanderer | Yes... |
| 01:33.20 | TheWanderer | First of all, nfs-user-server does not work with NFS root |
| 01:33.27 | TheWanderer | It does break things. |
| 01:33.46 | TheWanderer | Is it possible for you to switch to nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 01:34.00 | PiousMinion | sure |
| 01:34.10 | PiousMinion | Same config, just a package change, yes? |
| 01:34.35 | TheWanderer | I believe yes, perhaps some tweaking in /etc/defaults/ |
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| 01:37.19 | PiousMinion | holy shit whore. lol It works. |
| 01:38.10 | PiousMinion | Only problem is that fsck fails. Should I ignore that? |
| 01:38.20 | TheWanderer | Got any log? |
| 01:38.42 | TheWanderer | Uh huh, I see |
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| 01:38.50 | TheWanderer | in /etc/fstab |
| 01:39.00 | TheWanderer | the last column corresponds to fsck order |
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| 01:39.19 | Ward1983 | niiiiiiice |
| 01:39.24 | TheWanderer | If you put 0 in the last column, fsck will not be executed for that fs - it doesn't make sense for NFS anyway |
| 01:39.33 | Ward1983 | even the window to alter the menu does not work |
| 01:39.36 | Ward1983 | fantastic work |
| 01:39.58 | Ward1983 | tired of all this junk |
| 01:40.01 | Ward1983 | nothing works... |
| 01:40.05 | PiousMinion | TheWanderer: thanks so much. Been working on this for days. |
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| 01:40.18 | TheWanderer | PiousMinion: You're welcome :D |
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| 01:42.04 | abrotman | hi! |
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| 01:44.33 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 01:44.33 | dpkg | <pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
| 01:45.23 | PiousMinion | wow. lol |
| 01:45.34 | abrotman | don't be impressed, he was a troll |
| 01:45.52 | PiousMinion | heh |
| 01:47.29 | ferret_0567 | that's funny |
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| 01:47.38 | ferret_0567 | will debian run on a refrigerator? |
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| 01:49.01 | TheWanderer | ferret_0567: Perhaps you're looking for NetBSD? :> |
| 01:49.21 | ferret_0567 | TheWanderer: hahah, that won't run on a refrigerator either :P |
| 01:49.38 | TheWanderer | Come on, if it runs toasters, it will run anything. |
| 01:49.46 | ferret_0567 | wrong |
| 01:49.56 | TheWanderer | But then, it's a subject for off-topic ;P |
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| 02:19.43 | elik | Hey, I'm having a strange issue with my wifi... I've seen it for a while, but synergy it |
| 02:19.49 | elik | is the last manifestation |
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| 02:20.18 | elik | Basically, I have 2 computers using synergy on the same network (behind a router) |
| 02:20.44 | elik | My mouse moves fine, but suddenly goes all choppy |
| 02:21.03 | Mark17 | hello, does someone know a good option for the following? I am working on a storage cluster (and I know there are many options), I am thinking about something like: 6 storage nodes with something like raid1 per 2 nodes with 2 controlservers that provides the connections to the cluster nodes, on every virtual raid1 set we will run a lvm physical volume and the 3 volumes i will get re transferred to 1 volume group and the frontend servers need to see |
| 02:21.03 | Mark17 | it as 1 volume (when possible something like lvm so i can add/remove/replace nodes when needed as long as they are not in use). what is the best option for me (I am looking for this because i will need to store 100TB in the future and am preparing for it) |
| 02:21.09 | elik | At that point, I notice a shitload of TCP DUP ACK in wireshark... |
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| 02:28.58 | BitUnique | how come i only see the stable release in the debian download section? im looking for the testing image net install |
| 02:29.00 | sente | hello, i just apt-get install'd mlocate, the conf file at /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db doesn't exist. is there a suggested default file i should get? |
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| 02:29.02 | sente | and if so, how? |
| 02:29.15 | abrotman | BitUnique: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 02:29.32 | abrotman | sente: /etc/mlocate ? |
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| 02:29.53 | sente | abrotman: nothing there |
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| 02:30.21 | BitUnique | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:31.00 | abrotman | sente: did you check /usr/share/doc/mlocate/ ? |
| 02:31.24 | psychonate | so I'm having an issue where my xserver is crashing when trying to use certain applications (e.g. xscreensaver), and I searched a bit what I see in the Xorg logs, and I only found one result on google. That result looks like it was posted on the 23rd of this month-but it's a forum thread in Polish. Anyone happen to read Polish heh? |
| 02:32.02 | psychonate | I'll also post in flood the few relevant lines from the log |
| 02:33.11 | psychonate | If any bored Polish-speakers are around and can help me determine if a fix/cause is mentioned on this page--http://debian.linux.pl/viewtopic.php?p=77668--I would be grateful |
| 02:33.19 | sente | abrotman: read it just now, i didn't see anything relevant. the mlocate group was created for me when i apt-get install'd it, it seems |
| 02:33.55 | elik | psychonate, did you give google translate a try? not perfet, but still better than polish ;) |
| 02:34.24 | psychonate | true; I'll see how it goes here |
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| 02:35.21 | abrotman | psychonate: tried with vesa ? |
| 02:35.30 | abrotman | sente: lenny ? |
| 02:36.07 | psychonate | hmm, no not yet |
| 02:36.10 | psychonate | may have to |
| 02:36.12 | abrotman | sente: dpkg -L mlocate .. it seems it uses /etc/updatedb.conf |
| 02:36.59 | TheWanderer | psychonate: I'm a polish speaker willing to see that page |
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| 02:38.42 | psychonate | thanks; I saw a smiley icon on the last post, so I assumed that the guy fixed his problem. However, I believe he's using a different drive than I am |
| 02:38.55 | psychonate | s/drive/driver |
| 02:38.55 | TheWanderer | psychonate: that forum thread is related to screwed-up installation of fglrx (ATI driver) |
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| 02:39.11 | TheWanderer | he reinstalled the driver and the problem went away... |
| 02:39.39 | sente | abrotman: thanks... |
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| 02:40.16 | vchrizz | hi, my pc just had a freeze so i restarted it and now if i want to luksOpen my partiton it tells me no slots available.. but i got the correct key 100% ? |
| 02:41.03 | vchrizz | what could i do to check whats wrong? luksDump shows me the header.. |
| 02:41.10 | Mark17 | vchrizz: what are the logs telling you? |
| 02:41.15 | psychonate | TheWanderer, well then--sounds too easy to work for me |
| 02:41.20 | sente | abrotman: so that file should be moved to where mlocate expects it? (/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db) |
| 02:41.23 | sente | err, no, sorry. |
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| 02:41.58 | TheWanderer | psychonate: What in particular breaks your X.org? |
| 02:42.22 | vchrizz | Mark17: see here http://rafb.net/p/rW6G9J12.html |
| 02:42.36 | psychonate | xscreensaver and wine so far |
| 02:43.09 | Mark17 | vchrizz: if you open a console and do: df |
| 02:43.18 | vchrizz | ya? |
| 02:43.18 | psychonate | I posted the log entry in #flood, but can I do so again if desired |
| 02:43.19 | Mark17 | what is the highest % you see? |
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| 02:43.32 | psychonate | bah s/can I/I can |
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| 02:44.27 | TheWanderer | psychonate: again please |
| 02:44.34 | vchrizz | Mark17: my root and boot parition have highest % |
| 02:44.43 | Mark17 | and how high is it? |
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| 02:45.54 | vchrizz | root 28% used .... /boot 22%used .. tmpfs 0% used and udev 1% used |
| 02:46.12 | Mark17 | psychonate: you could also use a pastebin (like yourpaste.net or rafb.net) in the future, it would be nice to get some time to read it ;) |
| 02:46.39 | psychonate | roger that: if I post it again, will be on pastebin |
| 02:47.26 | abrotman | sente: i doubt it .. i would imagine it's where it expects it |
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| 02:47.58 | TheWanderer | psychonate: I thought the current X.org in Debian was X11R7 |
| 02:47.58 | vchrizz | Mark17: but what has disk usage with open crypted partition to do? |
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| 02:48.14 | Mark17 | vchrizz: when starting your system again was it performing some fsck or something like that? |
| 02:48.17 | sente | abrotman: yeah, i am running updatedb now |
| 02:48.20 | psychonate | hmm |
| 02:48.22 | psychonate | lemme check |
| 02:48.33 | sente | which, i thought, just ran a 'find' with various options, but not according to ps |
| 02:48.36 | sente | i don't know what it is doing |
| 02:48.46 | sente | i don't think it's all encapsulated in updatedb... |
| 02:48.46 | vchrizz | Mark17: i dont know, its a server ;) |
| 02:48.48 | Mark17 | vchrizz: i did see some similair errors in the paste and then it was solved after removing some files (the discs where full)] |
| 02:49.01 | Mark17 | vchrizz: how long did it take? |
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| 02:49.41 | vchrizz | well ive got no full disks... ive got no swap but i dont think that this is a problem.. it worken before too without swap |
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| 02:50.35 | Mark17 | probably the crypted partition(s) werent closed when it freezed and i dont know it enough to say how to solve it to be honest |
| 02:50.53 | sente | it is all working now. thank you abrotman |
| 02:51.04 | TheWanderer | psychonate: nevermind, I can see already that X11R7 uses the old X11R6 path in bin. |
| 02:51.06 | vchrizz | that could be |
| 02:51.18 | vchrizz | that the partitions weren closed |
| 02:51.52 | vchrizz | so no luck for me? |
| 02:51.58 | psychonate | well, I'll try to update my drivers, then see if the problem recurs. If so, I'l try a generic driver (I guess 'nv' in my case, unless that changed) |
| 02:52.14 | TheWanderer | psychonate: So you are using 'nvidia' driver? |
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| 02:53.46 | psychonate | yeah |
| 02:53.48 | TheWanderer | psychonate: it would help to know your package versions and Debian distro (unstable, I guess?) |
| 02:53.50 | abrotman | ET_Fig: did you check the BIOS to see if there were any sort of legacy options ? |
| 02:54.04 | psychonate | testing |
| 02:54.15 | psychonate | xorg Version: 1:7.3+18 |
| 02:54.18 | ET_Fig | I'm currently trying to install etch on my studio 17. Its saying that my cdrom cannot be detected. I'm using said cdrom for the boot installation. Any hints? |
| 02:54.45 | psychonate | to be honest, I don't think I'm using a deb for my current nvidia driver |
| 02:54.52 | ET_Fig | legacy options? |
| 02:55.20 | psychonate | It's been a long time since I installed the driver, but it was built from nvidia's official installer |
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| 02:55.23 | ET_Fig | you've gotta forgive me, the only stuff I do with computers is troubleshoot combat system circuits :/ |
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| 02:55.41 | Mark17 | vchrizz: if i look at some results from google for your problem you could also check if all modules are correctly loaded at boot time |
| 02:55.45 | TheWanderer | psychonate: there is a 'debian way' of building nVidia packages |
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| 02:56.25 | psychonate | If I can get the current driver all cleaned out, I'll try the "debian way" |
| 02:56.27 | djs | Hey all. I am running lenny x86, but want to use more than the 3.blah GB available. Is all that is needed a kernel/dist-upgrade to x86_64? |
| 02:56.31 | TheWanderer | psychonate: the best thing to do would be getting rid of 'official installer' stuff and building nVidia driver from source, then installing it clean - perhaps a newer version is less buggy |
| 02:56.53 | abrotman | djs: doesn't quite work like that |
| 02:57.00 | abrotman | djs: how much physical RAM do you have ? |
| 02:57.10 | psychonate | seems prudent; I can't do it at the moment, but I'll try it as soon as I am able. I'll share the results then |
| 02:57.13 | Mark17 | ET_Fig: is a network install possible for you? |
| 02:57.26 | TheWanderer | djs: if you have an amd64-compatible CPU, it should be possible, but still, a single process can not allocate more than 3,5GiB of RAM |
| 02:57.27 | psychonate | thanks for the advice, Wanderer |
| 02:57.27 | Mark17 | if yes try the network installer from debian.org |
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| 02:57.36 | TheWanderer | psychonate: you're welcome. |
| 02:57.56 | ET_Fig | No mark, the only net I have is my phone. |
| 02:58.02 | TheWanderer | psychonate: also check forums.debian.net - there's a cool tutorial by Lavene I think: nVidia the Debian way. It works like a charm! |
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| 03:00.34 | Mark17 | ET_Fig: do you have a normal computer that you can use to test the cdrom (just insert it + reboot and check if you see the installer to start, not doing any actual installation |
| 03:00.36 | Mark17 | ) |
| 03:00.55 | syzygy | so I am going through the instructions on this page http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hdsp, and I tried sudo modinfo soundcore, but the command is not recognized. It says I have to ecompile my kernel to include the RME HDSP PCI that I just put inside of the computer, is there a link to instructions on how to compile the kernel? |
| 03:01.07 | Mark17 | if thtat is not a problem i dont know a solution |
| 03:01.18 | x1250 | what would be a reason that dhcp fails on lenny installer? this is driving me nuts. Wifi works ok. |
| 03:01.35 | x1250 | I meant, wired dhcp fails |
| 03:01.38 | djs | abrotman: 5GB atm. |
| 03:01.53 | djs | TheWanderer: I do. |
| 03:01.57 | ET_Fig | It starts to install and hangs on the detection. |
| 03:02.04 | Mark17 | x1250: did you check the cable for the wired network? |
| 03:02.27 | Mark17 | ET_Fig: probably a missing driver or a motherboard/cdrom/driver issue |
| 03:02.43 | vchrizz | Mark17: sorry, my fault, kernel compiled without crypt support... thx though for your help :) |
| 03:02.43 | TheWanderer | djs: Although I've never tried it, new kernels should have no problems recognizing and using more than 4GB of RAM on amd64 systems. |
| 03:02.45 | x1250 | Mark17, I did test two cables, but well, I test some more. |
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| 03:03.30 | Mark17 | i had it a few months ago with a supermicro motherboard that couldnt work with 2 ide devices at the same time (unless it where 2 times the same HDD type) |
| 03:03.41 | Mark17 | i ended up installing it from an USB cdrom |
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| 03:04.08 | Mark17 | vchrizz: i was all ready thinking about that (that is why i was pointing towards the modules) |
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| 03:04.42 | Mark17 | x1250: did you test different network ports on you switch/router/modem? |
| 03:04.52 | Mark17 | and if possible on your system you want to install? |
| 03:07.02 | ET_Fig | What would you think a solution could result from? |
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| 03:08.24 | Mark17 | ET_Fig: i dont know what is technically possible for you, if possible i would try an other cd-rom player using an other connection type to the system |
| 03:08.38 | Mark17 | like ide and sata2 or usb |
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| 03:09.28 | Mark17 | but i go, it is 4 o clock here and i want to sleep a few hours before i need to work again |
| 03:10.14 | ferret_0567 | how do I encode m4a (Apple Lossless) to AAC on Debian Testing? |
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| 03:12.30 | ferret_0567 | specifically, how do I use mencoder to do the job? |
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| 03:14.07 | elik | ferret_0567, well, that might just be me, but I'd use ffmpeg.. fast, efficient |
| 03:14.21 | ferret_0567 | elik: it will work, right? |
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| 03:14.52 | ferret_0567 | elik: ok, how do I use ffmpeg? |
| 03:15.20 | elik | ferret_0567, I'd give man ffmpeg a shot ;) |
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| 03:15.41 | elik | ferret_0567, there are a few examples at the top |
| 03:15.49 | elik | you can adjust them for your purpose |
| 03:16.13 | elik | as for the formats it support.. it's quite impressive, but I cannot assert aac is supported |
| 03:16.25 | elik | m4a I can, cause I converted from m4a to mp3 in the past |
| 03:17.07 | pickcoder | stew: I just realized that OpenQM has been diverged to a GPLv2 source tree and apparently the vendor is entertaining the project idea... Maybe I can get a package for main afterall. |
| 03:17.30 | ferret_0567 | how do I convert all the files in a directory tree using ffmpeg? |
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| 03:17.37 | elik | ferret_0567, that's the core line of a script to go down the files |
| 03:17.54 | elik | ferret_0567, let me post you that script I wrote |
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| 03:19.39 | elik | ferret_0567, so, just so you know, I ain't no master scripter |
| 03:19.48 | ferret_0567 | elik: me neither :( |
| 03:20.05 | ferret_0567 | elik: I'm working on becoming a Python master, are you? |
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| 03:20.31 | elik | ferret_0567, http://pastebin.com/f4ffd2601 |
| 03:20.38 | elik | ferret_0567, I would do that as well if I had time |
| 03:20.49 | elik | ferret_0567, anyway, you see the basic idea, it's bash |
| 03:21.00 | ferret_0567 | yeah |
| 03:21.20 | elik | ferret_0567, commented out the rm line cause it erased a whole discography at some point |
| 03:21.45 | elik | ferret_0567, tried to convert flac or something, but ffmpeg just errored.. and removed the source file... bad |
| 03:22.00 | elik | ferret_0567, I know && could have saved my ass: ffmpeg && rm |
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| 03:22.21 | elik | ferret_0567, but I didn't work on the script since... so it's still very .. risky if I could say |
| 03:22.49 | elik | ferret_0567, I strongly recommend you run it on small parts at the time, backup and so on |
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| 03:25.32 | syzygy | so if I want to take a tarball and compile it from the Desktop where it is to /usr/src/alsa do I have to add something infront of the bunzip2 command, or do I just put the pathname at the end? |
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| 03:27.05 | elik | syzygy, what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 03:27.46 | syzygy | I am trying to move drivers for my sound card into the /usr/src/alsa folder as described on this page http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hdsp |
| 03:27.55 | syzygy | I have them unzipped on the Desktop |
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| 03:28.24 | syzygy | I geuss...it is a move file command of some sort |
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| 03:29.19 | elik | syzygy, hum, no |
| 03:29.28 | syzygy | oh? |
| 03:29.32 | elik | syzygy, I mean, yeah, you could move files around with mv |
| 03:29.44 | syzygy | tis helpful |
| 03:29.48 | elik | syzygy, but here, you are trying to compile a source package |
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| 03:30.10 | syzygy | yeah, modinfo soundcore was not recognized, so I assume I do not have the module |
| 03:30.13 | elik | syzygy, usually (read the README, INSTALL, or something like that) |
| 03:30.24 | syzygy | in the package? |
| 03:30.30 | elik | did you do the ./configure, make, make install? |
| 03:30.39 | elik | syzygy, yes, there is always that kind of file |
| 03:30.51 | elik | syzygy, which tells you how to use the stuff in the tar |
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| 03:31.41 | elik | syzygy, now, considering you're installing at a rather low level, for a system wide use, you'll need to do that as root, otherwise make install will complain it can't install things in the right place |
| 03:32.02 | pickcoder | syzygy: what kernel do you have installed |
| 03:32.07 | syzygy | yeah, I am planning to do all that from /usr/src/alsa...just need to move it all first |
| 03:32.11 | syzygy | gracias |
| 03:32.15 | elik | syzygy, you can take a look at checkinstall too, it's a nice program that monitors a make install and create a package so you can remove it after |
| 03:32.54 | elik | syzygy, well, no, you don't do that FROM /usr usually... you do that from your home or root's home... make install knows where to put the stuff |
| 03:33.40 | elik | syzygy, well.. dunno, /usr/src still sounds better than /usr/bin... but hum, I personally do it from my root's home |
| 03:33.50 | elik | syzygy, not that I install packages like that very often though |
| 03:34.01 | pickcoder | non-Debian source is normally unpacked under /usr/local/src/ |
| 03:34.10 | syzygy | yeah...the alsa link suggests in that specific directory...I usually do home |
| 03:34.21 | syzygy | but I figured I would follow the instructions |
| 03:35.34 | elik | syzygy, you might want to answer pickcoder, especially on the kernel used.. I'm sure he's got some good tips for you ;) |
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| 03:35.43 | suwro | hello |
| 03:35.55 | elik | suwro, hello |
| 03:35.58 | pickcoder | tips? no.. soundcore is part of the distro kernel |
| 03:36.08 | pickcoder | if it's not there then I'm curious why |
| 03:36.11 | suwro | why is ssh locking after no activity? this happens due last upgrade - i'm using etch on that server! |
| 03:36.37 | sente | how do i find out wht package/release i have? |
| 03:37.02 | pickcoder | suwro: "upgrade"? |
| 03:37.06 | pickcoder | sente: for what? |
| 03:37.06 | ferret_0567 | how do you recompile ffmpeg to have AAC support? |
| 03:37.11 | suwro | ssh upgrade came with some blacklist and i can't remember whici package - I need to know how to make ssh to not lock me out |
| 03:37.15 | ferret_0567 | I want a deb package with that support |
| 03:37.21 | suwro | pickcoder: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:37.40 | syzygy | pickcoder: sorry, how do I check Kernel version on my comp...I think it is 2.6.18 AMD 64 Debian Lenny? |
| 03:37.48 | pickcoder | suwro: the blacklist is for poor keys and doesn't really affect the operation of SSH |
| 03:37.57 | suwro | syzygy: type uname -a |
| 03:38.11 | pickcoder | suwro: from what? Sarge? |
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| 03:38.21 | suwro | pickcoder: etch |
| 03:38.21 | elik | ferret_0567, you can take a look at debian-multimedia.org, it has a ffmpeg++ over there... again, can't say about AAC |
| 03:38.36 | pickcoder | suwro: so you're on lenny then |
| 03:38.43 | suwro | pickcoder: before this didn't had this behaviour. |
| 03:38.55 | syzygy | command not found |
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| 03:39.06 | syzygy | whoops |
| 03:39.08 | syzygy | I mean |
| 03:39.30 | suwro | pickcoder: ok - how can I disable this anoying feature? |
| 03:39.36 | suwro | syzygy: uname -a |
| 03:39.41 | suwro | without type... |
| 03:39.49 | suwro | type was your action. |
| 03:39.50 | suwro | :) |
| 03:40.05 | syzygy | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 03:40.16 | elik | latest testing kernel |
| 03:40.44 | pickcoder | I don't have a 64-bit box here but I'm pretty sure soundcore is present. |
| 03:40.53 | pickcoder | let me look on my 64-bit etch server |
| 03:40.58 | suwro | syzygy: desktop machine or server? |
| 03:41.05 | syzygy | desktop |
| 03:41.11 | elik | pickcoder, I have 64 bits here and lenny.. how can I verify? |
| 03:41.12 | syzygy | just built |
| 03:41.26 | elik | pickcoder, I do have sound working... so I'd say soundCORE must be there |
| 03:41.57 | pickcoder | hmm.. my vpn is crapping out |
| 03:42.00 | pickcoder | oh well |
| 03:42.01 | suwro | syzygy: why are you using 64 then? Is java running on browser? what about flash and sound ? I had big problems with that and switched back to old 32 |
| 03:42.25 | suwro | pickcoder: any clue about ssh? |
| 03:42.32 | sente | pickcoder: debian in general |
| 03:42.34 | pickcoder | suwro: what release are you on right now |
| 03:42.38 | syzygy | what? I am using 64 because it is installed on my desktop not a laptop |
| 03:42.52 | sente | like lenny build 1.2.3.4, etc |
| 03:42.53 | pickcoder | syzygy: you don't need a 64-bit kernel for a desktop |
| 03:42.56 | pickcoder | unless you have like 32GB of RAM |
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| 03:43.01 | suwro | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:43.01 | suwro | deb ftp://ftp.lug.ro/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 03:43.15 | syzygy | but you can have one |
| 03:43.15 | syzygy | why would I want to run a 32? |
| 03:43.16 | pickcoder | suwro: you said you did a dist-upgrade |
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| 03:43.25 | pickcoder | which means you were on Sarge before you ran it.. correct? |
| 03:43.43 | pickcoder | syzygy: because a lot of apps still have not been ported to 64-bit |
| 03:43.45 | kervan | Hi. How can I get static ip adress and router for my wireless card by configuring dhclient.conf. Can I do it by dhclient.conf? |
| 03:43.50 | ET_Fig | I wonder if getting an older distro would work. |
| 03:43.52 | pickcoder | which means a lot of custom compiling |
| 03:44.08 | syzygy | I'd like to learn even though this is the case |
| 03:44.13 | syzygy | so long as it's not TOO hard |
| 03:44.15 | elik | pickcoder, isn't that 4gb or ram??? |
| 03:44.25 | pickcoder | no bigmem can handle up to 16GB IIRC |
| 03:44.29 | syzygy | I have seen 64 bit systems run a lot of software though |
| 03:44.32 | pickcoder | PXE |
| 03:44.52 | suwro | pickcoder: I use dist-upgrade coz I'm using also packages from .backports |
| 03:44.54 | syzygy | plus, you can still run 32 bit so long as it is not really low level right? |
| 03:45.06 | pickcoder | syzygy: only if you install the ia32 compat libs |
| 03:45.26 | pickcoder | suwro: dist-upgrade is only for use when you change releases |
| 03:45.34 | pickcoder | a normal upgrade will pull packages from BPO |
| 03:45.35 | suwro | syzygy: man switch back to old32 - no more problems - trust me. |
| 03:45.35 | syzygy | well, this installation guide can still work for 64bit right? |
| 03:45.45 | syzygy | but I have not had that many problems |
| 03:45.51 | lem0n | i get the following error when attempting to restart my nameserver, "Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused failed!", i have absolutely no idea why this is happening or even where to start. googling this error helps nothing. can someone point me somewhere? |
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| 03:45.57 | suwro | syzygy: I've been fighting with 64 over a year and give up. |
| 03:46.00 | syzygy | my 32 crashes non-stop |
| 03:46.15 | syzygy | since I compiled my vid card the 64 hasn't |
| 03:46.28 | pickcoder | suwro: pastebin your sources.list and state what /etc/debian_version has in it |
| 03:46.42 | suwro | pickcoder: ok - It does not change release if in apt is not another distro - the behaviour is upgrading all packages. |
| 03:46.48 | suwro | all etch |
| 03:46.51 | suwro | trust me |
| 03:46.53 | syzygy | so I cannot compile the package to run is what you are saying? |
| 03:46.54 | pickcoder | syzygy: regardless, if you compile custom modules don't expect a lot of help here |
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| 03:47.00 | pickcoder | the same goes for applications and kernels |
| 03:47.13 | sch01ar | How do I install a package from testing on a stable box? |
| 03:47.13 | suwro | deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ etch-backports main |
| 03:47.24 | abrotman | sch01ar: not a very good idea |
| 03:47.30 | syzygy | okay, so this is an exclusively 32 bit help room? Alright, I was unaware of that...I will find help elsewhere |
| 03:47.31 | abrotman | sch01ar: which package? |
| 03:47.34 | syzygy | thanks for your time |
| 03:47.34 | suwro | this is what I added. |
| 03:47.37 | ET_Fig | anyone here use dells mainly, or familiar with installing distros on them? |
| 03:47.38 | sch01ar | I need apache2 2.2.9-10 |
| 03:47.40 | pickcoder | suwro: then don't use dist-upgrade anymore.. just use "update" and then "upgrade" |
| 03:47.46 | sch01ar | 2.2.3-4 has a bug. |
| 03:47.48 | suwro | pickcoder: roger. |
| 03:47.50 | abrotman | judd: versions apache2.2-common |
| 03:47.52 | judd | abrotman: apache2.2-common -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch6 lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny2 sid: 2.2.11-2 |
| 03:47.58 | abrotman | sch01ar: which bug is that? |
| 03:48.07 | sch01ar | it won't log the client source port. |
| 03:48.09 | pickcoder | suwro: as far as the ssh idle hang.. I've not experienced it. |
| 03:48.15 | suwro | pickcoder: now that you know that I'm not gonna use dist-upgrade - can we figure out what's the ssh problem? |
| 03:48.19 | pickcoder | try removing ssh and reinstalling it |
| 03:48.33 | suwro | pickcoder: can't do that - It's on a remote machine. |
| 03:48.35 | sch01ar | 2.2.9-4 (ubuntu) works. |
| 03:48.43 | abrotman | sch01ar: and you want to muck up your box for that ? |
| 03:48.55 | sch01ar | Either that or it's compile time. |
| 03:49.18 | abrotman | !tell sch01ar about ssb |
| 03:49.22 | suwro | pickcoder: and to re move it and delete all conf files I need purge. If something happens I'll be out. |
| 03:49.22 | pickcoder | suwro: are you sure it's not network related/ |
| 03:49.27 | suwro | I AM |
| 03:49.41 | suwro | pickcoder: I have another machine which does not behave like this. |
| 03:49.52 | suwro | pickcoder: both sshd config are similar. |
| 03:49.58 | pickcoder | perhaps it's WOL or something like that? |
| 03:50.02 | sch01ar | abrotman: i'll look into that. thanks |
| 03:50.22 | abrotman | sch01ar: but really .. that's a lot of work for that logging ability |
| 03:50.22 | pickcoder | googles |
| 03:51.03 | sch01ar | abrotman: agreed, but without it, I can't correlate the apache log with the flow logs. |
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| 03:51.10 | pickcoder | suwro: is the connection dropping or is the local session just hanging |
| 03:51.18 | abrotman | sch01ar: use IPs ? |
| 03:51.43 | sch01ar | abrotman: not sufficient. |
| 03:51.50 | sch01ar | The answer is to log the port. |
| 03:51.51 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:52.12 | suwro | set | grep -i TMOUT show that I don't have autologout |
| 03:52.18 | sch01ar | Otherwise, I'd use lighttpd |
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| 03:52.37 | sch01ar | or Cherokee. |
| 03:52.41 | pickcoder | is 2.2 being bundled for lenny? |
| 03:52.46 | abrotman | is what ? |
| 03:52.52 | pickcoder | apache2.2 |
| 03:52.59 | suwro | pickcoder: and my sshd does not have any ClientAliveInterval settings. |
| 03:53.02 | sch01ar | lenny is 2.2.9-10 |
| 03:53.16 | sch01ar | and unstable is 2.2.11-something |
| 03:53.25 | abrotman | pickcoder: it was packaged for etch |
| 03:54.02 | pickcoder | 2.0 was |
| 03:54.06 | suwro | pickcoder: connection is not dropping - I have 2 consoles 1 on server1 second on server2 after a while server 1 lock the console - server 2 no. |
| 03:54.17 | pickcoder | ah.. never mind |
| 03:54.18 | pickcoder | I see it |
| 03:54.20 | suwro | pickcoder: it simply freeze. |
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| 03:55.12 | pickcoder | sch01ar: the sid backport is probably the best method |
| 03:55.17 | pickcoder | if it will work |
| 03:55.35 | pickcoder | dependencies always make things interesting |
| 03:57.02 | pickcoder | suwro: I dunno.. tried running in verbose mode? |
| 03:57.13 | sch01ar | pickcoder: understood. I'm glad that I asked before screwing up my sources.conf |
| 03:57.15 | suwro | no |
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| 03:58.53 | suwro | pickcoder: maybe it's a PAM ishue! |
| 03:58.53 | pickcoder | suwro: the ssh client I mean |
| 03:59.04 | suwro | pickcoder: how do I do that? |
| 03:59.09 | sch01ar | :( this is not going to be a happy night. |
| 03:59.13 | pickcoder | specify -v on the command line? |
| 03:59.18 | suwro | roger |
| 03:59.30 | abrotman | sch01ar: go to bed, do it tomorrow, problem solved! |
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| 04:00.38 | sch01ar | and have 8 hours of uncorralatible logs... not happy. |
| 04:01.42 | suwro | nevermind - I go to bed |
| 04:01.43 | suwro | bye |
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| 04:06.14 | xota | hi! anybody know how can I set mail to showme if I have new messages, as mail (command) do it? |
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| 04:06.33 | xota | use mutt as mail I say |
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| 04:11.20 | fgleich_ | the system is 2.6.18-6-686 Debian Etch Stable |
| 04:12.04 | amitz | fgleich_: if the kernel module available from module-assistant, get build-essential package. |
| 04:12.39 | fgleich_ | what packages do I apt-get ? |
| 04:12.46 | amitz | if not, try the header first. If not working, try the whole kernel sources. |
| 04:13.00 | fgleich_ | ok, name the packages please |
| 04:13.03 | fgleich_ | thanks |
| 04:13.06 | amitz | build-essential |
| 04:13.26 | fgleich_ | that has the headers in it ? |
| 04:14.28 | amitz | if build-essential package fail, try linux-header-2.6.18-6-686 or something like that, I forgot the specific. |
| 04:14.44 | fgleich_ | ok thanks |
| 04:15.06 | fgleich_ | do you have a url for it ? |
| 04:15.35 | amitz | I'm not in etch so I don't have it. You can search in aptitude? |
| 04:16.00 | fgleich_ | I'm not even running debian, I'm asking for someone else |
| 04:16.02 | fgleich_ | lol |
| 04:16.03 | fgleich_ | thanks |
| 04:16.06 | dmoerner_ | linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 should be good enough |
| 04:16.20 | amitz | np |
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| 04:31.05 | Realmy | I had a question for you guys - I recently made a boneheaded move and changed ownership of all of /var. Is there a way to resintall all of the packages with apt to fix the permissions? |
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| 04:31.43 | dmoerner | Realmy: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 04:33.52 | Realmy | Thanks dmoerner, I'll look into it! :) |
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| 04:35.54 | paulfitzpatrick | is it unusual to be missing the visudo command? |
| 04:35.58 | paulfitzpatrick | debian etch |
| 04:36.19 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: d'ya have sudo installed? |
| 04:36.36 | paulfitzpatrick | maybe not, brand new dedicated, I just assumed it would be ;) |
| 04:36.47 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: it's in /sbin/ usually, so root only . . . |
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| 04:36.58 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: (but you already knew that, right?) |
| 04:37.12 | stew | paulfitzpatrick: sudo is not installed by default on debian |
| 04:37.13 | paulfitzpatrick | yeah sudo not installed heh |
| 04:37.17 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: well, try 'apt-get install sudo and see what happens :P |
| 04:37.19 | paulfitzpatrick | first time on debian hehe |
| 04:37.22 | paulfitzpatrick | cheers |
| 04:37.23 | Lagaro | join #crossfire |
| 04:37.29 | Lagaro | whoops sorry |
| 04:37.52 | paulfitzpatrick | LOL |
| 04:38.31 | Lagaro | I need to stop doing that . . . second time it's happened today heh |
| 04:39.42 | paulfitzpatrick | oh no, it's asking me to put the cd in. I need to configure aptitude to use internet sources? |
| 04:41.13 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: aye |
| 04:41.31 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: do you know how to do that? |
| 04:41.43 | paulfitzpatrick | no idea, googling :) |
| 04:41.53 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: the file you want is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:42.03 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: add a '#' to all the current lines that are there |
| 04:42.11 | paulfitzpatrick | ah yep, I'd played with that in ubuntu. sweet |
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| 04:42.33 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: then add something like 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main/contrib' to it |
| 04:42.44 | paulfitzpatrick | awesome thx |
| 04:42.53 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: wait |
| 04:42.59 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: sorry, I'm wrong |
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| 04:43.14 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: more like deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib |
| 04:43.24 | paulfitzpatrick | tah |
| 04:43.26 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: no slash heh, sorry |
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| 04:43.45 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: then 'apt-get update && apt-get install sudo |
| 04:46.02 | nsadmin | paulfitzpatrick: and you can choose to put non-free at the end |
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| 04:46.35 | Lagaro | usadmin, paulfitzpatrick: aye, sorry, yeah, you may want to stick non-free in |
| 04:46.35 | paulfitzpatrick | does aptitude use those sources as well or seperate config? |
| 04:46.45 | paulfitzpatrick | kk |
| 04:46.45 | nsadmin | same |
| 04:46.53 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: same config |
| 04:47.02 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: aptitude is really a frontend for apt |
| 04:47.33 | nsadmin | apt-get is also, and its life is ending as... a test for the apt libs |
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| 04:47.48 | n-iCe | hi |
| 04:47.55 | Lagaro | usadmin: aye heh |
| 04:48.01 | Lagaro | n-iCe: hello :) |
| 04:49.11 | n-iCe | hey, how are you :) today! |
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| 04:49.28 | Lagaro | n-iCe: heh, not half bad |
| 04:49.46 | faffi | Lagaro: modprobe'ing the driver didnt work |
| 04:50.08 | Lagaro | faffi: no? darn |
| 04:50.18 | Lagaro | faffi: what happens? any dmesg output? |
| 04:50.41 | faffi | dmesg just says the driver was loaded and shows version information |
| 04:50.44 | faffi | no ethX device |
| 04:50.49 | faffi | ifconfig -a shows only lo |
| 04:51.04 | Lagaro | faffi: mmm . . . alright, what's your NIC model name/number? |
| 04:51.15 | Lagaro | faffi: any idea? |
| 04:51.26 | faffi | well in windows its something different than what the dell site says it comes with |
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| 04:52.25 | faffi | Lagaro: in windows its a Intel 82567LM-3 gigabit network |
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| 04:52.52 | faffi | Dell site says, Intel 82655DM |
| 04:53.09 | Lagaro | faffi: alright, let me take a peek |
| 04:53.21 | syzygy | is there a modutils package native to debian? |
| 04:53.45 | nsadmin | wasn't modutils superceeded? |
| 04:54.08 | nsadmin | you mean insmod/rmmod/lsmod/modprobe, right? |
| 04:54.12 | Lagaro | faffi: try the driver 'e1000e' |
| 04:54.18 | Lagaro | faffi: not e1000 |
| 04:54.20 | nsadmin | judd, find modprobe |
| 04:54.21 | judd | nsadmin: Error: "find" is not a valid command. |
| 04:54.21 | faffi | Lagaro: already tried it |
| 04:54.23 | faffi | same result |
| 04:54.39 | faffi | dmesg shows it loaded Intel xxxxx driver |
| 04:54.42 | faffi | and nothing under ifconfig |
| 04:54.51 | nsadmin | howbout ifconfig -a |
| 04:54.57 | faffi | thats what im using |
| 04:55.07 | nsadmin | and nothing?? |
| 04:55.10 | faffi | only lo |
| 04:55.24 | syzygy | nsadmin: I think so, but what was it superceded by? |
| 04:55.43 | syzygy | insmod/rnmod...? |
| 04:56.29 | faffi | Lagaro: I want to try compiling a new version but the base install doesnt have GCC |
| 04:57.04 | nsadmin | module-init-tools |
| 04:57.08 | faffi | Lagaro: so im kinda stuck |
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| 04:57.36 | nsadmin | faffi: you dont' have a spare nic card you could put in there? |
| 04:58.03 | maher | in bash ^foo^bar^ replaces foo with bar in the line above - what if I want to replace all recurrences? |
| 04:58.16 | maher | also how do i search for ^ in google? |
| 04:58.30 | nsadmin | ask google :) |
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| 04:59.05 | faffi | nsadmin: nope, but how would that even help, i want the damn nic it came with to work |
| 04:59.07 | faffi | my roommate has a wireless dongle i could probably use |
| 04:59.13 | nsadmin | perhaps you could install things |
| 04:59.21 | faffi | yes installing is good lol |
| 04:59.37 | syzygy | ty |
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| 05:00.04 | faffi | nsadmin: do you know if the debian disc 1 regular cd image installs GCC |
| 05:00.48 | \amethyst | maher: !!:gs/foo/bar/ |
| 05:00.50 | nsadmin | faffi: no I don't, because they decided to go with what's popular to put on the earlier cds, not what's necessary to compile things |
| 05:01.03 | \amethyst | maher: look for "HISTORY EXPANSION" in man bash |
| 05:01.33 | faffi | nsadmin: well thats fail |
| 05:01.39 | nsadmin | imo build-essential should be on cd1, or one single cd, not split |
| 05:01.54 | maher | \amethyst: thanks! |
| 05:01.58 | faffi | crap what choice do i have now |
| 05:02.35 | nsadmin | if there were a way to connect two machines with usb... |
| 05:02.41 | faffi | haha |
| 05:02.41 | nsadmin | and run networkign |
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| 05:02.55 | faffi | well can i get somehow get it on a deb package |
| 05:03.02 | faffi | and just use a thumb drive |
| 05:03.10 | nsadmin | ot' |
| 05:03.15 | nsadmin | it's not one package |
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| 05:03.28 | Lagaro | is back for a moment |
| 05:03.29 | faffi | yeah i fugred |
| 05:03.33 | faffi | can you get it all as one package |
| 05:03.42 | nsadmin | no |
| 05:03.59 | faffi | :( |
| 05:04.02 | Lagaro | faffi: there is a apt-something that allows you to create a 'wget' script onto a pendriv |
| 05:04.18 | nsadmin | find out what all build-essential depends on and get all those |
| 05:04.22 | Lagaro | faffi: that, once run on a *nix computer that has internet access, will download all the required packages |
| 05:04.33 | Lagaro | faffi: I'll see if I can figure out what it's called, hang on |
| 05:04.36 | faffi | Lagaro: well I can use cygwin wget |
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| 05:05.11 | Lagaro | faffi |
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| 05:05.28 | Lagaro | *: were my instructions all right for skipping the disk erase? |
| 05:05.48 | faffi | Lagaro: yeah I was just a little confused |
| 05:05.50 | jheizer | Anyone here any good with PXE booting? |
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| 05:05.59 | Lagaro | faffi: sorry heh |
| 05:05.59 | faffi | I found a picture of a partition scheme with lvm and encryption on google |
| 05:06.03 | faffi | then made mine look like it |
| 05:06.06 | faffi | :) worked out nicely |
| 05:06.11 | Lagaro | faffi: the program is called apt-zip, FYI |
| 05:06.15 | faffi | thank you |
| 05:06.20 | Lagaro | faffi: download that one .deb |
| 05:06.29 | Lagaro | faffi: it's designed for people in your position :D |
| 05:06.32 | faffi | :P |
| 05:06.53 | Lagaro | faffi: package desc: 'Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media' |
| 05:07.14 | Lagaro | faffi: no depends besides apt, which you should already have heh |
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| 05:07.49 | faffi | hm, can i just run it on my debian laptop running lenny |
| 05:08.46 | Wicked | how long will etch be supported for? |
| 05:08.50 | Lagaro | faffi: yep heh |
| 05:08.52 | Lagaro | Wicked: a while |
| 05:09.04 | Wicked | Lagaro, months? a year or two? |
| 05:09.12 | Lagaro | Wicked: Sarge (oldstable) is just being phased out now |
| 05:09.22 | stoned | usually 18 months |
| 05:09.22 | Lagaro | Wicked: was originally released in June '05 |
| 05:09.32 | Wicked | hmm ok. im not familier with debian releases really. |
| 05:09.33 | Wicked | ah |
| 05:09.34 | Wicked | ok cool |
| 05:09.37 | Wicked | thanks :) |
| 05:09.38 | Lagaro | Wicked: why? heh |
| 05:09.52 | Wicked | Lagaro, im lazy and dont wanna have to upgrade in a month or two. |
| 05:10.02 | Lagaro | Wicked: alright, heh :P |
| 05:10.06 | \amethyst | well, Sarge has been out of the archives for a while |
| 05:10.21 | Wicked | just want a stable release for as long as possible..while still having security updates and all that junk |
| 05:10.22 | stoned | Q: How long will security updates be provided? |
| 05:10.23 | Lagaro | Wicked: note that upgrading Debian is really easy, *unlike* some distros :D |
| 05:10.29 | stoned | A: The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year. It is not possible to support three distributions; supporting two simultaneously is already difficult enough. |
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| 05:11.18 | Wicked | ah ok and what dpkg told me about lenny everything is frozen.....anyone know more about when it will be released? worth waiting? |
| 05:11.58 | Lagaro | Wicked: mmm . . . best estimate so far, based on bugfix trends is sometime in early-to-mid '09 |
| 05:12.07 | Lagaro | realizes that it is 2009 already |
| 05:12.10 | stoned | there is no estimate |
| 05:12.11 | Wicked | hehe. |
| 05:12.13 | nsadmin | whether it's worth or not, you don't have to wait |
| 05:12.20 | Lagaro | slaps his head |
| 05:12.22 | Wicked | yea. one of them "its ready when its ready" |
| 05:12.27 | paulfitzpatrick | can anyone see the issue with my iptables http://www.pastie.org/374923 |
| 05:12.33 | nsadmin | HEY! stop slapping my head! |
| 05:12.45 | paulfitzpatrick | 'should be' about to connect to ssh via 666 but it's not letting me! |
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| 05:13.08 | stoned | the power of christ compells you |
| 05:13.17 | stoned | connect via a non 666 port |
| 05:13.21 | n-iCe | iceweasel is firefox right? why it is just not like firefox is? |
| 05:13.24 | stoned | n-iCe, ! |
| 05:13.28 | paulfitzpatrick | huh? 666 cursed? |
| 05:13.29 | n-iCe | stoned! |
| 05:13.33 | nsadmin | to say "Jeeezus! Gimme a break!" |
| 05:13.43 | stoned | where have you been hiding? |
| 05:13.56 | Lagaro | n-iCe: . . . read the pkg desc |
| 05:14.12 | Lagaro | n-iCe: licensing issues with Mozilla . . . |
| 05:14.18 | n-iCe | stoned: you will kill me, changed to Windows 7 for a month :>, I am back now and reloaded! how have you been? |
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| 05:14.26 | stoned | I'm on xp pro, how are you? |
| 05:14.30 | stoned | I mean.. I'm fine, how are you |
| 05:14.32 | stoned | oops. ;) |
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| 05:14.42 | n-iCe | Lagaro: yeah read about it, metaphor |
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| 05:14.57 | Lagaro | n-iCe: lol k . . . wasn't sure :) |
| 05:14.59 | n-iCe | stoned: :p fine, fine thanks, reading, looking, all fine. |
| 05:15.01 | helo | how do i change the sudo warning message? |
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| 05:15.15 | n-iCe | And right now I am gonna install the real firefox here. |
| 05:15.21 | stoned | yeh |
| 05:15.22 | helo | i just want it to say "FUCK SHIT UP!!!" |
| 05:15.36 | stoned | potty mouth |
| 05:15.50 | stoned | n-iCe, that will cause a few issues |
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| 05:16.04 | stoned | n-iCe, for example, addons installed via apt will not be recognized |
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| 05:16.25 | n-iCe | stoned: oh I know, just need to move the flash plugin, have done it before, and all works perfect :o |
| 05:16.26 | stoned | because your downloaded firefox is not going to look in /usr/lib/mozilla afaik |
| 05:16.28 | n-iCe | :p |
| 05:16.31 | stoned | ahh ok |
| 05:16.33 | Lagaro | helo: probably something in /etc |
| 05:16.41 | stoned | if you know what you are doing then its fine |
| 05:16.42 | paulfitzpatrick | do I need to 'flush' anything after iptables mods? |
| 05:16.56 | paulfitzpatrick | that iptables config seemed to work on ubuntu! |
| 05:16.59 | Lagaro | helo: dunno . . . check what files the package 'sudo' installs |
| 05:17.42 | paulfitzpatrick | little bit scared about restarting ssh, I don't want to get locked out of the server lol |
| 05:17.52 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: nope, you don't, just be careful |
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| 05:18.20 | stoned | sudo --with-all-insults ? |
| 05:18.22 | stoned | wtf does that do |
| 05:18.33 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: ^^ (not to lock yourself out if you're setting the firewall up via ssh) |
| 05:18.47 | syntax_enable | When I try to configure alpine 2.00 source, it tells me that terminfo/termcap isn't found. Where do I find them? |
| 05:18.50 | stoned | I wonder what options sudo was built with |
| 05:18.54 | paulfitzpatrick | insults people I guess |
| 05:18.57 | paulfitzpatrick | awesome |
| 05:19.05 | stoned | I mean what other |
| 05:19.42 | \amethyst | stoned: it's easy enough to find in debian/rules |
| 05:19.49 | \amethyst | stoned: there are a bunch |
| 05:20.08 | elik | \amethyst, hey, you know of a good way to manage ssh private keys? |
| 05:20.14 | \amethyst | elik: manage? |
| 05:20.26 | elik | \amethyst, register and use them when needed |
| 05:20.31 | karsten | elik: With a whip, a bottle of whiskey, and a generous bonus plan. |
| 05:20.37 | \amethyst | elik: ssh-agent + ssh-add ? |
| 05:20.39 | stoned | \amethyst, easier than /usr/share/doc/sudo/OPTIONS ? |
| 05:20.40 | elik | \amethyst, I know ssh-agent would |
| 05:20.41 | stoned | damn tab |
| 05:20.46 | karsten | elik: manage how? |
| 05:21.00 | karsten | stoned: Is that 8 or 4? |
| 05:21.04 | elik | \amethyst, but then, all my process have to inherit of that shell with ssh-agent |
| 05:21.10 | stoned | karsten, I'm sorry what? |
| 05:21.19 | elik | I want a session to have a ssh-agent with my private key |
| 05:21.20 | ferret_0567 | elik: dBpoweramp is much easier to use than recompiling ffmpeg to support aac |
| 05:21.23 | elik | not just a terminal |
| 05:21.24 | karsten | elik: If you use ssh-agent and are running X locally, ssh-agent starts with X. |
| 05:21.25 | ferret_0567 | elik: just run it under Wine |
| 05:21.28 | paulfitzpatrick | anything small you guys can think of with iptables that I might have missed, after creating the rules in that pastie then iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up.rules |
| 05:21.40 | karsten | stoned: the old is tab 4 spaces or 8 question. |
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| 05:21.42 | \amethyst | elik: if you use gdm the session scripts launch ssh-agent |
| 05:21.54 | stoned | karsten, no I just copied extra spaces I think at the end of the line |
| 05:21.59 | stoned | they got pasted in here |
| 05:22.06 | stoned | I have a 4-tab |
| 05:22.08 | stoned | always |
| 05:22.11 | karsten | elik: If otherwise, I'd use a standars socket file name (eg: /tmp/ssh_auth_sock_$USER), and test for that. |
| 05:22.11 | \amethyst | elik: so the ssh-agent env variables will be in everything launched by your session manager or window manager |
| 05:22.15 | elik | \amethyst, so in my .xsession, I can just ssh-add and I'm fine? |
| 05:22.22 | karsten | elik: Put that test in your shell init. |
| 05:22.29 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: mmm. . . just make certain SSH is enabled |
| 05:22.34 | \amethyst | elik: if you use gdm, anyway |
| 05:22.44 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: other than that, I don't think so . . . that looks good heh |
| 05:22.50 | elik | \amethyst, I do, as a matter of fact :) |
| 05:22.57 | karsten | elik: In any shell, run 'ssh-add', yes, and you're golden. *any* Xdm starup (gdm, kdm, wdm, xdm) does that default under Debian. |
| 05:22.58 | elik | \amethyst, I didn't know it was started |
| 05:22.58 | \amethyst | elik: hm |
| 05:23.00 | paulfitzpatrick | I edited the ssh conf and altered the port to 666, however it still won't let me in on that port. |
| 05:23.02 | paulfitzpatrick | weird |
| 05:23.12 | paulfitzpatrick | didn't restart SSH though.. |
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| 05:23.30 | stoned | man I'm telling you, thats not a good port to use |
| 05:23.33 | \amethyst | elik: hm, actually, i seem to be wrong |
| 05:23.34 | Lagaro | paulfitzpatrick: 'twould be the problem :) |
| 05:23.34 | karsten | paulfitzpatrick: That would help. |
| 05:23.46 | stoned | seriously, all BS aside, thats an evil # |
| 05:23.47 | paulfitzpatrick | ah ok lol. |
| 05:23.50 | elik | \amethyst, hum? |
| 05:24.09 | ferret_0567 | stoned: no it's not |
| 05:24.16 | nsadmin | stoned: why? wouldn't that be organized religion demonizing science? |
| 05:24.21 | ferret_0567 | stoned: 666 is a made up number |
| 05:24.55 | \amethyst | elik: there's something to start ssh-agent in my sid /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome |
| 05:25.23 | stoned | \amethyst, awwww gdm user! :( |
| 05:25.29 | \amethyst | elik: but on etch it seems to be /etc/X11/Xsession.d/something |
| 05:25.40 | elik | \amethyst, I'm in between |
| 05:25.54 | elik | \amethyst, I don't see any Sessions dir under gdm |
| 05:26.22 | \amethyst | elik: yeah, I think this is ancient |
| 05:26.30 | stoned | man I wonder what co linux is upto these days |
| 05:26.32 | elik | hum, seahorse |
| 05:26.35 | elik | heard of that name |
| 05:26.38 | \amethyst | elik: I've been using sid for a long time, so I have lots of old old config files :) |
| 05:26.46 | stoned | damn, still going |
| 05:27.00 | stoned | http://www.colinux.org/ <- much better than vmware/vpc |
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| 05:27.14 | elik | \amethyst, I don't see the connection between old config and sid... |
| 05:27.18 | \amethyst | elik: ah, now it uses the stuff in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 05:27.30 | stoned | ... "If Linux runs on every architecture, why should another operating system be in its way? " ... I love that |
| 05:27.49 | \amethyst | elik: because I've upgraded this copy of gdm for a long time, from what was originally somewhere in between sarge and etch |
| 05:27.53 | Lagaro | stoned: mmm . . . I like that :P |
| 05:28.10 | nsadmin | it definitely can be made to run on every arch given enough time... |
| 05:28.16 | elik | \amethyst, oh... aren't config script moved around along? |
| 05:28.28 | \amethyst | elik: so I have some pre-etch config files left over (since config files generally don't get deleted on package upgrade) |
| 05:28.30 | elik | \amethyst, I think seahorse is what I was looking for |
| 05:28.37 | Lagaro | nsadmin: any OS will run on any arch given enough time . . . moot point |
| 05:28.50 | stoned | moot |
| 05:28.52 | \amethyst | elik: yeah, might be |
| 05:28.54 | stoned | thats a freaky word |
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| 05:28.56 | stoned | moot |
| 05:28.57 | nsadmin | but not every os can be made to do that by anyone |
| 05:29.05 | stoned | say it like 10 time sin a row, like 5 tiems fast |
| 05:29.07 | Lagaro | stoned: what a moot point . . . :D |
| 05:29.08 | elik | \amethyst, a friend of mine, one the u* system said that seahorse managed his keys from the point they were created... anyway, I'll look into it |
| 05:29.09 | elik | thx |
| 05:29.09 | nsadmin | not everyone can get the source |
| 05:29.12 | stoned | moot moot moot mootmootmoot |
| 05:29.14 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:29.22 | Lagaro | stoned: you're living up to your name . . . |
| 05:29.28 | nsadmin | poots on moot |
| 05:29.29 | elik | stoned, stop it |
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| 05:29.33 | \amethyst | Lagaro: I doubt Windows XP will run on a Commodore 64, ever |
| 05:29.46 | nsadmin | or a vic 20 |
| 05:29.47 | elik | let alone vista |
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| 05:29.55 | nsadmin | yes let's |
| 05:29.59 | pickcoder | 64K who needs more than that |
| 05:30.00 | Lagaro | \amethyst: sure, given access to the source code . . . and enough time for a rewrite :D |
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| 05:30.21 | \amethyst | and a new computer to go in the case of the C64 |
| 05:30.22 | \amethyst | :) |
| 05:30.34 | Lagaro | is willing to bet he's using the least-powerful computer here |
| 05:31.00 | Lagaro | 5 Zimbabwean cents on it |
| 05:31.11 | elik | Lagaro, specs |
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| 05:31.25 | nsadmin | is running an original comodore with an 8080 card that has 256 bytes of ram... |
| 05:31.36 | Lagaro | highly doubts that |
| 05:31.53 | Lagaro | elik: OLPC XO laptop |
| 05:32.10 | kunwon1 | i'm on a p4 with 256mb RAM |
| 05:32.15 | Lagaro | elik: e.g. 366MHz Geode processor . . . 256MB ram, 1GB flash drive |
| 05:32.32 | nsadmin | I'm on a p-4 |
| 05:32.33 | kunwon1 | 1.3ghz though :D |
| 05:32.38 | elik | Lagaro, yeah, I know the XO :) |
| 05:32.47 | Lagaro | elik: heh :) |
| 05:32.50 | nsadmin | 10 seconds per clock pulse |
| 05:33.06 | Lagaro | elik: I love it :P |
| 05:33.08 | elik | Lagaro, few friends at school bought one.. and are doing a school projet with it |
| 05:33.19 | elik | Lagaro, I love the idea |
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| 05:33.28 | Lagaro | elik: what, Debian on an XO? |
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| 05:33.37 | elik | Lagaro, no, sugar |
| 05:33.53 | elik | Lagaro, school project /= debian |
| 05:33.53 | Lagaro | elik: lol, yea . . . bit annoying for me |
| 05:34.14 | elik | Lagaro, but does debian run on XO? |
| 05:34.17 | Lagaro | elik: I'm a console kinda person . . . Sugar was too mouse-y |
| 05:34.19 | Lagaro | elik: aye |
| 05:34.24 | Lagaro | elik: very well heh |
| 05:34.34 | elik | Lagaro, sweet.. so it really runs everywhere :P |
| 05:34.37 | Lagaro | is running Lenny on the XO |
| 05:34.47 | Lagaro | elik: yep :) |
| 05:34.58 | elik | Lagaro, as for the mousyness, eh, I guess african children appreciate :P |
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| 05:35.06 | Lagaro | elik: the 4-5W power consumption is sweet heh |
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| 05:35.19 | Lagaro | elik: aye, newbies find Sugar very easy |
| 05:35.28 | elik | Lagaro, just sad they couldn't get the crank in to charge it :( |
| 05:35.37 | Lagaro | elik: but I prefer a good ol' console |
| 05:35.50 | Lagaro | elik: well, Yo-Yo chargers are almost as good, but yea, it is sad |
| 05:36.00 | Lagaro | elik: apparently it broke too easily . . . lol |
| 05:36.07 | elik | Yo-Yo chargers.. never heard of |
| 05:36.26 | Lagaro | elik: aye, 10W generator in a Yo-Yo |
| 05:36.38 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 05:36.42 | elik | Lagaro, that: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/09/yoyo-charger-iphone-ipod.php ? |
| 05:36.43 | n-iCe | firefox isn't taking my java plugin |
| 05:36.49 | Lagaro | elik: bounce it up and down, and it converts rotational momentum into electricity |
| 05:37.02 | Lagaro | elik: hang on heh, I'll take a look |
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| 05:37.17 | elik | Lagaro, oops, takes you out of your console world :P |
| 05:37.33 | Lagaro | elik: nah, w3m and screen work :) |
| 05:38.00 | elik | but images |
| 05:38.01 | Lagaro | elik: "sorry we can't find what you're looking for" . . . you sure that's a valid link? |
| 05:38.07 | n-iCe | ok, it is there: /home/torroella/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so |
| 05:38.09 | Lagaro | elik: w3m supports framebuffer . . . |
| 05:38.10 | n-iCe | what can be the problem? |
| 05:38.19 | Mark_Jones | Hello can anyone help me please? I have the 3 etch repository DVDs and was realy hoping that etch would have an app for a virtual CD drive or some easy way to mount them other than the mount loop thing on the command line cause Ill never remember that.Anyone have an idea? |
| 05:38.19 | Lagaro | n-iCe: .firefox perhaps? |
| 05:38.24 | n-iCe | Lagaro: yes, firefox |
| 05:38.27 | elik | Lagaro, http://www.popgadget.net/2008/09/iyo_yo_yo_charg.php |
| 05:38.36 | Lagaro | Mark_Jones: aye |
| 05:38.54 | Lagaro | Mark_Jones: 'mount debian-DVD-1.iso -o loop <mountpoint> |
| 05:39.10 | Lagaro | Mark_Jones: is the easist |
| 05:39.14 | pickcoder | Mark_Jones: so make it a bash script? |
| 05:39.16 | Mark_Jones | yeah but like I said Ill never remeber that on the command line. |
| 05:39.24 | elik | Mark_Jones, your hd has a better memory than you, use it ;) |
| 05:39.27 | Lagaro | Mark_Jones: ^^^ bash script |
| 05:39.32 | elik | Mark_Jones, text files never die |
| 05:39.40 | Lagaro | n-iCe: stick it in .firefox, not firefox |
| 05:39.44 | Mark_Jones | Ubuntu has gmountiso for example. |
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| 05:39.57 | Lagaro | Mark_Jones: Debian prolly has that as well . . . |
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| 05:40.05 | Mark_Jones | I cant find it for debian. |
| 05:40.06 | Lagaro | Mark_Jones: check in the archives heh |
| 05:40.14 | Lagaro | Mark_Jones: well, let's see . . . |
| 05:40.15 | elik | Lagaro, as for the charger.. I don't see how you can ply yoyo with something plugged in the middle... |
| 05:40.16 | Mark_Jones | Yeah I did. |
| 05:40.17 | batman_ramirez | hello ... to work with samba and share files... do i have to install samba in all pcs to use_ |
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| 05:40.51 | Lagaro | elik: lol . . . take a look here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Power (I think thats what it is) |
| 05:41.10 | n-iCe | Lagaro: there is no .firefox :) |
| 05:41.27 | deadcat | i am trying to get my bluetooth device to work, i ran hidd -c MAC, i guess i am suppose to enter the 4 digit code from the device (keyboard), then i am suppose to enter that on the wired keyboard. but it wont let me. |
| 05:41.33 | Lagaro | n-iCe: create it then . . . |
| 05:41.46 | deadcat | http://www.organicdesign.co.nz/Apple_wireless_keyboard_on_Linux |
| 05:42.19 | elik | Lagaro, wow, so many alternatives! |
| 05:42.53 | Lagaro | elik: lol |
| 05:43.14 | Lagaro | Mark_Jones: just use a bash script then . . . seems gmountiso is Ubuntu-only |
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| 05:43.38 | Mark_Jones | I know nothing of scripts |
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| 05:43.59 | Lagaro | Mark_Jones: . . . mmm . . . |
| 05:44.04 | elik | Lagaro, the thing is, some alternatives are more expensive than the XO itself... |
| 05:44.07 | dclarke | senseless question : has anyone ever set a world record for GCC bootstrap time ? And I am referring to the longest time ever recorded because I am now well into day 3 of watching the bootstrap run |
| 05:44.12 | Lagaro | elik: lol aye |
| 05:44.18 | dmoerner | dclarke: what architecture? |
| 05:44.29 | dclarke | sparc |
| 05:44.35 | dclarke | I have ppc also |
| 05:44.47 | dclarke | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:44.51 | dclarke | clock : 396.000000MHz |
| 05:44.55 | n-iCe | done Lagaro |
| 05:45.06 | Lagaro | n-iCe: and . .. the results? |
| 05:45.10 | n-iCe | Lagaro: the same |
| 05:45.10 | dclarke | that one is waaay quicker than 60MHz Sparc |
| 05:45.20 | dmoerner | i'm sure my 128 Mhz armel would be slower |
| 05:45.30 | Lagaro | n-iCe: for .mozilla/plugins? |
| 05:45.32 | dclarke | you have arm ? |
| 05:45.39 | dclarke | what is armel ? |
| 05:45.48 | dmoerner | little endian arm |
| 05:45.52 | dclarke | oh |
| 05:46.00 | dclarke | arm is a very nice proc |
| 05:46.02 | Lagaro | Mark_Jones: mmm . . . I'd suggest using Google to read something about bash scripting |
| 05:46.07 | dclarke | nice OPcode lists |
| 05:46.14 | nsadmin | dclarke: on a sparc (a few years before Linus made his experiment resulting in linux-0.0.1), I built gcc, it took all day |
| 05:46.31 | dclarke | it is good to hear old timers that still run such things |
| 05:46.45 | n-iCe | Lagaro: same |
| 05:47.05 | Lagaro | n-iCe: lol |
| 05:47.08 | dclarke | funny thing , the debian project was looking for a Alpha box and I recently acquiered a dual proc Alpha .. I send in an email to the debian hardware people but heard nothing back |
| 05:47.10 | Lagaro | n-iCe: hang on a few moments |
| 05:47.11 | nsadmin | "learning the bash shell" publ by orielly is good |
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| 05:48.59 | dclarke | I have a difficult question. how do I update my kernel rev? I am not much of a Linux wiz. So any pointers would help. this is a powerpc machine by the way. |
| 05:49.18 | dclarke | uname -a |
| 05:49.26 | dclarke | Linux vesta 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty #35 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 20:48:16 CET 2006 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 05:49.42 | n-iCe | Lagaro: ./firefox |
| 05:49.43 | n-iCe | /home/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory/home/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory^C |
| 05:49.46 | n-iCe | maybe a clue? |
| 05:49.53 | pickcoder | dclarke: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:49.59 | Lagaro | n-iCe: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=28862 has something |
| 05:50.04 | dclarke | 4.0 |
| 05:50.11 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mmmmm . . . aye |
| 05:50.14 | pickcoder | is that a custom kernel? |
| 05:50.20 | Lagaro | n-iCe: that might be something heh, hang on |
| 05:50.21 | dclarke | yes |
| 05:50.31 | pickcoder | you can get 2.6.26 from BPO |
| 05:50.33 | dclarke | for this weird hardware .. yeah |
| 05:50.57 | pickcoder | !tell dclarke about bpo |
| 05:51.00 | dclarke | but the sources have long since been pushed upstreap for the PowerPC hardware |
| 05:51.45 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mmmm .. . just a question, why firefox? what's wrong w/IceWeasel? |
| 05:51.57 | pickcoder | hm |
| 05:52.32 | dclarke | pickcoder: thanks for the heads up .. I was hoping that I could do a make universe or something like that. Isn't it possible to compile the kernel and then boot it ? |
| 05:52.41 | pickcoder | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6-powerpc |
| 05:52.54 | pickcoder | you can, if you want the latest kernel |
| 05:52.57 | pickcoder | but it won't be supported |
| 05:53.14 | pickcoder | grab the vanilla source and do make oldconfig on it |
| 05:53.29 | pickcoder | use make-kpkg |
| 05:53.40 | pickcoder | !tell dclarke about kp-mantra |
| 05:53.58 | n-iCe | Lagaro: Just doesnt work like firefox does. |
| 05:54.03 | n-iCe | Lagaro: by the way, I fixed it. |
| 05:54.14 | dclarke | oh God this looks complex |
| 05:54.15 | Lagaro | n-iCe: what was the problem? |
| 05:54.16 | n-iCe | Removed my /home/user/firefox/plugins folder |
| 05:54.28 | Lagaro | n-iCe: lol k |
| 05:54.39 | pickcoder | dclarke: if you've build a kernel before make-kpkg simplifies the kernel install |
| 05:54.41 | n-iCe | and used, ln -s /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ /home/USER/firefox/ |
| 05:54.44 | dclarke | pardon my blinding ignorance and blunt stupidity but what do you mean when you say "will not be supported" ? |
| 05:55.22 | pickcoder | non-distro kernels could break things that aren't broken in the current release |
| 05:55.27 | pickcoder | modules change |
| 05:55.29 | pickcoder | etc |
| 05:55.39 | dclarke | oh .. okay |
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| 05:55.49 | dclarke | I'm willing to take a few chances |
| 05:55.54 | pickcoder | normally it's fine |
| 05:56.05 | pickcoder | and someone will probably help, but there's no guarantee |
| 05:56.13 | dclarke | I tried the whole Linux from Scratch prcoess on this and was doing very well .. up until I hit the "build a kernel " stage |
| 05:56.33 | dclarke | then I sort of stoped in my tracks |
| 05:56.56 | pickcoder | that kp-mantra command line builds the kernel .deb for you |
| 05:57.11 | pickcoder | it compiles the kernel source, bundles it, and prepares the needed modules for the initrd |
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| 05:57.28 | pickcoder | all you do is dpkg -i <kernelfilename>.deb |
| 05:57.32 | dclarke | pickcoder: sounds like the swiss army knife of all time |
| 05:57.50 | dclarke | pickcoder: okay .. I'll look at that command line thing .. |
| 05:58.01 | dclarke | pickcoder: do I have to do that as root ? I hope not |
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| 05:58.07 | pickcoder | of course! |
| 05:58.18 | dclarke | I have to do the compile as root ? |
| 05:58.25 | dclarke | that seems ... odd |
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| 05:58.30 | dmoerner | use fakeroot |
| 05:58.35 | pickcoder | no.. but you can't install the kernel as a user |
| 05:58.37 | dmoerner | to use make-kpkg |
| 05:58.41 | pickcoder | so why not do it all in the same session |
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| 05:59.08 | dclarke | oh I understand that I can't do the "install" stage .. but for the compile I was hoping to use all the up to date tools I created in my $HOME/local |
| 05:59.11 | wobbly | can someone help me fix etc/resolv.conf in kppp please |
| 05:59.27 | pickcoder | dclarke: you should use the tools provided under the release you're on |
| 05:59.30 | wobbly | it missing |
| 05:59.30 | Lagaro | wobbly: sure |
| 05:59.44 | Lagaro | wobbly: mmm . . . alright |
| 05:59.56 | dclarke | pickcoder: erk .. even though I have built GCC 4.3.3 and latest binutils etc ? |
| 05:59.58 | Lagaro | wobbly: create it with nothing but 'nameserver 208.67.222.222' in it |
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| 06:00.08 | Lagaro | wobbly: that will change your DNS server to OpenDNS |
| 06:00.13 | wobbly | how |
| 06:00.13 | pickcoder | dclarke: your GCC versions must match system-wide for the kernel modules |
| 06:00.18 | wobbly | noob here |
| 06:00.23 | Lagaro | wobbly: which is often faster then most PPP nameservers |
| 06:00.28 | pickcoder | but feel free to try it |
| 06:00.37 | dclarke | pickcoder: okay .. I see that there are nuances here .. I better just walks a straight line |
| 06:00.42 | pickcoder | worst case scenario is you'll end up booting back into the older kernel |
| 06:00.45 | dclarke | pickcoder: okay .. I'll do a su - |
| 06:00.47 | Lagaro | wobbly: well, as root, launch gedit or kedit . . . |
| 06:01.07 | pickcoder | bed time |
| 06:01.17 | dclarke | okay |
| 06:01.20 | dclarke | I am now root |
| 06:01.25 | dclarke | oh gee ... he left |
| 06:01.31 | dclarke | I'm not doing this blind |
| 06:01.33 | wobbly | largo kwrite ok |
| 06:01.48 | wobbly | largo do i just save |
| 06:02.00 | Lagaro | wobbly: then put 'nameserver 208.67.222.222' w/o the quotes into the file |
| 06:02.10 | Lagaro | wobbly: then save it as /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:02.27 | wobbly | ok thanks |
| 06:02.29 | Lagaro | wobbly: then, as root, change the permissions of the file to 644 |
| 06:02.46 | Lagaro | wobbly: (readwrite to owner, read for group, read for everyone else) |
| 06:03.35 | Lagaro | gah . . . I'm doing it again |
| 06:03.41 | Lagaro | !tell Lagaro about enter |
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| 06:05.26 | dclarke | thanks folks |
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| 06:06.18 | Lagaro | wonders how long it'll be untill the next question crops up |
| 06:06.23 | faffi | hi Lagaro |
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| 06:07.08 | Lagaro | faffi: did building e1000 work? |
| 06:08.15 | deadcat | anyone uses bluetooth keyboard? i cant get the pin to work |
| 06:08.16 | faffi | Lagaro: havent tried yet, went out for an hour |
| 06:08.16 | Lagaro | faffi: alright heh |
| 06:08.16 | Lagaro | deadcat: anything on google? |
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| 06:08.59 | deadcat | Lagaro: ya. but those howtos say "When you hit enter, a dialog box will come up allowing you to enter the matching PIN " but it never did. |
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| 06:09.24 | Lagaro | deadcat: mmm . . . alright, I'll take a peek heh |
| 06:09.39 | deadcat | Lagaro: thanks. trying to get the apple wireless keyboard to work. |
| 06:09.56 | deadcat | Lagaro: i am assuming i enter the 4digit pin myself. |
| 06:10.04 | Lagaro | deadcat: alright |
| 06:10.10 | Lagaro | deadcat: yeah, probably |
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| 06:11.57 | Lagaro | deadcat: didja see 'http://game-sat.com/mod.php?name=Links&goid=48'? |
| 06:12.32 | deadcat | Lagaro: let me try it |
| 06:12.39 | Lagaro | deadcat: alright heh |
| 06:12.53 | Lagaro | is going away for a bite to eat, back in a minute or three |
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| 06:14.43 | elik | question about startup scripts... why do they always use the full path to executables /usr/bin/blah... while I could just use blah |
| 06:15.06 | elik | And if I want to nice a process, do I have to /usr/bin/nice ... /usr/bin/blah |
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| 06:15.34 | Lagaro | elik: well, the answer to the first is clarification |
| 06:15.58 | Lagaro | elik: if you have different versions of binaries installed, it's always nice to know which one's being used |
| 06:16.09 | faffi | Lagaro: should i get pciutils at the same time? |
| 06:16.09 | Lagaro | elik: and the answer to your second question: no |
| 06:16.17 | Lagaro | faffi: yeah, do |
| 06:16.29 | Lagaro | faffi: it's very useful being able to 'lspci -v' |
| 06:16.32 | elik | Lagaro, hum, ok, how would I go about that exactly? |
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| 06:17.13 | Lagaro | elik: well, 'man nice oughta tell you something |
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| 06:17.40 | elik | Lagaro, right, the question was more, do I put full path as COMMAND? |
| 06:17.42 | deadcat | Lagaro: well. i dont know the 4digit pin, it doesnt say |
| 06:17.54 | Lagaro | elik: or, renice for already running processes |
| 06:17.59 | Lagaro | elik: no, you don't need to |
| 06:18.13 | Lagaro | elik: unless the executable is not in your path |
| 06:18.22 | Lagaro | deadcat: google . . . . |
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| 06:18.43 | elik | Lagaro, a'ight |
| 06:20.39 | Lagaro | deadcat: 'And then when initializing the Bluetooth system I had to type in the PIN specified in the file on the keyboard blindly and eventually things worked.' . . . . from longman.deadsquid.com/?p=375 |
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| 06:20.59 | faffi | Lagaro: will the base system install have apt-zip ? |
| 06:21.32 | Lagaro | faffi: I doubt it, you'll need to d/l that one through packages.debian.org |
| 06:21.42 | Lagaro | faffi: no depends on it though, so just the one d/l |
| 06:21.48 | faffi | awesome |
| 06:21.58 | faffi | and i dont need to compile? a deb? |
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| 06:23.37 | Lagaro | faffi: nope |
| 06:23.42 | deadcat | Lagaro: i kept getting "Can't create HID control channel: Connection refused" when i try to connect. i enter the same 4 digit i have in the config file. |
| 06:23.49 | Lagaro | faffi: I don't think so, anyhow . . . |
| 06:24.22 | Lagaro | deadcat: I've never used bluetooth at all, I'm just trying google heh . . . . sorry, but my only suggestion is to keep googling . . . |
| 06:24.37 | deadcat | Lagaro: thanks. i've never used bluetooth either |
| 06:25.06 | Wicked | when installing....is "standard system" including x? |
| 06:25.11 | Wicked | i want a headless server.... |
| 06:25.14 | Lagaro | Wicked: nope |
| 06:25.22 | Lagaro | Wicked: "Graphical environment" is, IIRC |
| 06:25.41 | Lagaro | Wicked: "standard system" is stuff like 'less etc |
| 06:25.50 | Lagaro | Wicked: vim, etc |
| 06:25.58 | Wicked | Lagaro, ah ok. i did a dry install of debian a few weeks ago in a vm and somehow ended up with x... |
| 06:26.00 | Wicked | ah ok |
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| 06:26.18 | Wicked | i just want a minimal system with openssh..then i can install everything else i need |
| 06:29.10 | nsadmin | Wicked: then install the base followed by ssh |
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| 06:29.18 | faffi | Lagaro: what aptgetaction option do i use |
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| 06:30.10 | Wicked | nsadmin, yea. just booted to it now ;) |
| 06:32.00 | Wicked | hmm my source.list only has the install disks...is there a place to grab a list of repos |
| 06:33.30 | nsadmin | !mirrors |
| 06:33.30 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 06:33.46 | Wicked | thanks :) |
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| 06:34.46 | Wicked | hmm...what repositories should there be in sources.list? |
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| 06:37.59 | PiousMinion | Is it possible to set up network boot to boot an ISO on the boot server? |
| 06:38.31 | Lagaro | faffi: it's apt-zip, not apt-get |
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| 06:38.47 | Lagaro | PiousMinion: I've no idea |
| 06:39.01 | Lagaro | PiousMinion: possibly, though |
| 06:39.27 | PiousMinion | Would be nice to have flavors of linux, windows, etc as ISOs on a boot server and install the one I want across the network. |
| 06:39.29 | Lagaro | Wicked: just the standard ones . . . |
| 06:39.45 | Lagaro | PiousMinion: aye lol |
| 06:39.47 | Wicked | Lagaro, yea..which are? could you possible paste bin it for me? |
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| 06:39.55 | Lagaro | Wicked: mmm. . . alright |
| 06:40.03 | Wicked | Lagaro, my sources.list only has the cdrom and security ones enabled |
| 06:40.15 | Lagaro | Wicked: you'll want the default debian one as well, and no CD |
| 06:40.19 | Wicked | Lagaro, thanks :) ...appreciate it |
| 06:40.21 | Wicked | Lagaro, yea |
| 06:40.40 | Lagaro | Wicked: 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on there as well |
| 06:40.51 | hark | !sources.list |
| 06:40.51 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 06:41.04 | KC | How would I create a user agent switcher that makes websites see me as using firefox? |
| 06:41.29 | KC | getting sick of brain dead web programmers *cough* hotmail *cough |
| 06:41.36 | Lagaro | alright, everyone, I think I should get back to work :D |
| 06:41.48 | deadcat | KC: plugin/add-on |
| 06:41.52 | hark | KC: there's a user agent switcher addon, or configure it in about:config |
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| 06:41.54 | Lagaro | KC: IceWeasel is already "firefox" IIRC, and I know Konqueror supports it |
| 06:42.05 | Lagaro | I'm AFK and away |
| 06:42.29 | KC | I have the plugin, it just doesn't have a setting for firefox (cause its a firefox plugin) |
| 06:42.45 | KC | it can have custom settings, but there are no instructions |
| 06:42.52 | deadcat | i cant possible be this stupid. shouldnt be that hard to setup a f'ing bluetooth keyboard. |
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| 06:43.24 | KC | Speaking as someone who used to set them up for a living: yes, it is that hard |
| 06:43.32 | KC | doing it on Vista is worse |
| 06:44.57 | hark | KC: http://www.geticeweasel.org/useragent/ |
| 06:45.09 | Wicked | do i replace contrib with non-free? or both main contrib so it would be deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch non-free ? |
| 06:45.23 | hark | KC: also http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel#head-2e81d71301a14061e109ed60e79615150b9088cc |
| 06:45.54 | hark | Wicked: they are separate |
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| 06:46.20 | Wicked | hark, yea im aware. im just wondering the syntax to add the non-free |
| 06:47.00 | hark | !non-free sources |
| 06:47.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 06:47.24 | KC | great, now the 'firefox 3.0.5' plugin isn't iceweasel 3.0.5 compatable |
| 06:47.49 | Wicked | ah ok |
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| 06:49.56 | node12345 | are there any iceweasel developers in here |
| 06:50.04 | hark | KC: what firefox 3.0.5 plugin? |
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| 06:51.07 | KC | the user agent switcher in the guide you linked |
| 06:51.40 | node12345 | hark: do you work on iceweasel |
| 06:52.03 | hark | node12345: no, what's the issue? |
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| 06:52.49 | Mndrk | On computer A there's an incomplete file - http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8229/clipboard01vv1.png the red are zeroes, the missing parts, computer B has this file complete. How do I create a patch on computer B which will fix the file on A, using minimal traffic between computers? |
| 06:53.04 | node12345 | hark: no issue at all. just curious about the possibility of rebranding an iceweasel distro, you know like swap out the logos etc, and test out some branding ideas |
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| 06:54.10 | KC | ok, turning on compatability checking fixed that (why is it off in the first place O-o?) |
| 06:55.04 | node12345 | i believe i can distribute about 60-70 downloads per day. its not that much, but worthy of a test |
| 06:55.59 | hark | KC: i tried it here, installed fine by default |
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| 06:58.51 | node12345 | any interest in this? |
| 06:59.20 | KC | yep |
| 06:59.29 | KC | microsoft is sending bad code to iceweasel |
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| 06:59.40 | KC | the code the send when they think its firefox works fine |
| 07:00.03 | node12345 | really.. kc thats interesting |
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| 07:00.09 | faffi | Lagaro: you were correct, apt-zip is a single .deb, i downloaded build-essential and pciutils |
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| 07:01.39 | KC | hark: I'm running a bastard mix of lenny sid and experimental right now... I can't really say I'm sup4rised I'm getting weird incompatibilities |
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| 07:03.25 | elik | As what user are /etc/gdm/Init/Default and stuff executed... system is compobout entk |
| 07:03.50 | elik | discrad after ... falling asleep typing anything |
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| 07:04.33 | KC | if I could just get 3d working I'd have a functional system now |
| 07:04.35 | elik | so yeah, I use nice in those scripts and .xsession-error complains about nice not being a command |
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| 07:05.50 | n-iCe | hi |
| 07:07.22 | nsadmin | KC: no... you have a functional system now |
| 07:07.38 | nsadmin | if you had no graphics, you'd still have a functional system |
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| 07:08.20 | Lagaro | is back for a moment |
| 07:08.29 | n-iCe | Lagaro: ! |
| 07:08.32 | nsadmin | tanm! |
| 07:08.33 | elik | KC, you do weird stuff... you expect weird stuff |
| 07:08.36 | Lagaro | faffi: good to hear heh |
| 07:08.38 | faffi | :D |
| 07:08.45 | n-iCe | Where can I read about [alpha][amd64][arm][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch] |
| 07:08.47 | faffi | Lagaro: as soon as this warcraft 3 install finishes im gonna try it |
| 07:08.50 | n-iCe | differences, advantages, etc. |
| 07:08.59 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mmm . . . . |
| 07:09.01 | KC | n-iCe: those are processor types |
| 07:09.02 | elik | n-iCe, which one are you looking at^ |
| 07:09.04 | Lagaro | n-iCe: those are difference arches |
| 07:09.10 | n-iCe | I think Debian should run better in this machine. |
| 07:09.17 | KC | you only need to worry about amd64 and i386 (probably) |
| 07:09.17 | stoned | you should hit wikipedia, look up each arch and learn about it |
| 07:09.20 | faffi | n-iCe: each processor type needs a different arch of debian |
| 07:09.21 | Lagaro | n-iCe: mmm . . . lol |
| 07:09.23 | stoned | there is no other way! |
| 07:09.31 | elik | wait, ia64, what's that? same as amd? |
| 07:09.35 | Lagaro | needs to go away again . . . sorry, back in a few minutes |
| 07:09.36 | KC | no |
| 07:09.39 | nsadmin | no |
| 07:09.47 | nsadmin | ia64 is itanum |
| 07:09.48 | Lagaro | elik: intel's 64-bit arch for workstations |
| 07:09.50 | KC | intel's original 64 bit implementation |
| 07:09.54 | KC | was a horrid failure |
| 07:10.00 | elik | ah, ok |
| 07:10.04 | elik | hence, we use amd64 |
| 07:10.13 | KC | well, not completely horrid, but no backwards compatability |
| 07:10.13 | elik | even on Core 2 duo |
| 07:10.17 | n-iCe | Let me show you something |
| 07:10.22 | nsadmin | amd64 can be used by core 2 duo and stuff |
| 07:10.25 | n-iCe | http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotlv6.png |
| 07:10.29 | n-iCe | What's the best arch for me? |
| 07:10.59 | KC | what kind of processor do you have? |
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| 07:11.00 | nsadmin | the one where when you walk thru is high enough so you can walk thru |
| 07:11.04 | elik | Core 2 duo |
| 07:11.15 | elik | so either i386 or amd64 |
| 07:11.43 | nsadmin | the one where when you say "arch" something happens... |
| 07:11.46 | KC | I'd avoid amd64 if you plan on using binaries |
| 07:11.47 | n-iCe | elik: there should be one, better |
| 07:11.47 | elik | depending on if you want 64 bits support or no |
| 07:11.59 | KC | though flash did just come out with 64 bit for linux |
| 07:12.02 | elik | n-iCe, define better.. that<s the thing |
| 07:12.08 | elik | !better |
| 07:12.08 | dpkg | somebody said better was a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 07:12.30 | n-iCe | elik: take the best machine performance |
| 07:12.35 | KC | 64 bit is supposedly faster, 32 bit will be broader |
| 07:12.36 | n-iCe | get |
| 07:12.36 | elik | then amd64 |
| 07:12.42 | nsadmin | n-iCe: get an ibm s390 |
| 07:13.03 | nsadmin | I think you might need special power plugz |
| 07:13.09 | n-iCe | amd64 |
| 07:13.14 | n-iCe | what do you think Lagaro? |
| 07:13.38 | elik | compatibility can become an issue though, as KC pointed out |
| 07:14.17 | elik | as long as you stick to repos.. you're fine |
| 07:14.23 | KC | I don't even want to think about trying to install non free drivers in 64 bit :( |
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| 07:14.48 | KC | even in windows that makes me want to cry |
| 07:14.49 | stew | compatibility is an issue if you use java applets in your browser |
| 07:14.50 | nsadmin | right, non-free that is binary only is out |
| 07:14.58 | stew | otherwise what is really a problem? |
| 07:15.07 | KC | java shouldn't be an issue |
| 07:15.27 | KC | flash was, but thats available in 64 from adobe now |
| 07:15.32 | stew | KC: java is a problem. icedtea doesn't run everything yet |
| 07:15.33 | elik | stew, 32 bits only binaries |
| 07:15.34 | nsadmin | he didn't say java, he said java applets in browser specifically |
| 07:15.38 | stew | elik: like what? |
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| 07:15.55 | KC | there's no straight up 64 bit version of java? |
| 07:16.02 | elik | stew, try to make ndiswrapper work for my rtl8187 card ;) |
| 07:16.16 | stew | KC: there are several, depending on what 'straight up' means |
| 07:16.38 | stew | i'd never try to make ndiswrapper do anything |
| 07:16.54 | nsadmin | how can you avoid using it? |
| 07:17.03 | elik | stew, well, I would.. the open source driver is bugged... |
| 07:17.05 | stew | judd: info rtl8187se-source |
| 07:17.16 | stew | elik: get a better card |
| 07:17.24 | KC | the one that shows up when I type in aptitude install java-common |
| 07:17.31 | nsadmin | how would one know what card to get? |
| 07:17.35 | elik | stew, install 32 bit debian so I can play with ndiswrapper |
| 07:18.08 | nsadmin | don';t laugh... he could have it in a vm |
| 07:18.09 | stew | KC: java-common isn't a java implementation |
| 07:18.10 | valdyn | KC: there is straight 64-bit java, theres probably not sun 64-bit java plugin for webbrowsers |
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| 07:18.28 | KC | java-common is a virtual package |
| 07:18.34 | stew | valdyn: i believe they might have one now, but not packaged yet |
| 07:18.41 | stew | KC: no, its not |
| 07:18.41 | KC | which contains all the various java packages |
| 07:18.42 | valdyn | stew: yea |
| 07:19.00 | valdyn | KC: certainly not |
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| 07:19.11 | nsadmin | so java-common has content? |
| 07:19.12 | stew | KC: no, its a package that all java implementations depend on |
| 07:19.41 | elik | As what user are gdm/Init/Default and the like run? I tried to nice a process at startup and it just spits out some errors in my /home/user/.xsession-error file... |
| 07:19.49 | nsadmin | so if you install it, you still would need some specific implementation |
| 07:20.17 | nsadmin | elik: that's three different questions |
| 07:20.28 | KC | hmm, you're right |
| 07:20.54 | elik | nsadmin, I like density :P |
| 07:21.08 | stew | java-common is the update-java-alternatives script and documentation |
| 07:21.23 | nsadmin | destiny? |
| 07:21.25 | elik | nsadmin, ok.. let's start at case: I want to run synergy at startup, with a nice of -10 |
| 07:21.39 | valdyn | elik: you mean at login |
| 07:21.46 | nsadmin | dunno what synergy is |
| 07:21.46 | elik | valdyn, right |
| 07:22.01 | elik | nsadmin, a software kvm, for sharing kd and mouse |
| 07:22.02 | valdyn | elik: edit ~/.xsession |
| 07:22.03 | nsadmin | so synergy would run as you |
| 07:22.10 | elik | valdyn, nice no likey |
| 07:22.18 | valdyn | elik: uh? |
| 07:22.37 | elik | valdyn, I want to nice synergy so it has higher prio... but user cannot run nice |
| 07:22.49 | valdyn | elik: man sudo |
| 07:23.07 | nsadmin | elik: sounds like stuttering yoda in an old martial arts film that's been redubbed to english :) |
| 07:23.11 | elik | valdyn, I ain't too much into the sudoing stuff |
| 07:23.12 | valdyn | elik: but a user can do higher priorities, just not lower priorities |
| 07:23.46 | elik | valdyn, hence, I wanted to have it as a system service, started by root, for everybody |
| 07:24.10 | valdyn | elik: then it makes no sense to run it from gdm login, does it? |
| 07:24.32 | nsadmin | can it run that way? |
| 07:24.36 | elik | valdyn, well... it does to me... isn't gdm started as root? |
| 07:24.49 | valdyn | elik: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 07:24.56 | valdyn | elik: its fucked up |
| 07:25.04 | valdyn | elik: your idea is wrong |
| 07:25.19 | elik | valdyn, http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/autostart.html |
| 07:25.26 | nsadmin | or more correctly doesn't fit the status quo of what you have installed |
| 07:25.26 | valdyn | elik: you can naturally embed it to any script that runs as root, does not mean it makes sense |
| 07:25.55 | elik | valdyn, that's the "recommended" way |
| 07:26.04 | valdyn | elik: that is not "on login" |
| 07:26.32 | nsadmin | hmm, and #debian really does support customized, non-recommended ways :) |
| 07:26.34 | elik | valdyn, no, that's at gdm startup |
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| 07:26.54 | nsadmin | NOT |
| 07:27.37 | elik | valdyn, I'm obviously no startup sequence god... |
| 07:27.52 | nsadmin | elik: but you could use to understand the process more |
| 07:28.03 | nsadmin | then you can compose your own ways |
| 07:28.22 | elik | nsadmin, I'm not going freestyle here: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/autostart.html |
| 07:28.58 | nsadmin | and that's because that page exists :) |
| 07:29.02 | kingsley | Does either apt-get or aptitude have an option that tells it to update a certain package's dependencies to their newest versions? If so, what is it? |
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| 07:29.11 | elik | nsadmin, what?? |
| 07:29.59 | nsadmin | your argument here is: because that page exists, you're not doing something that's customized |
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| 07:30.12 | elik | nsadmin, OK! I get it, I'm fucking stupid for trying to do something oh so stupid... but I still don't know what |
| 07:30.17 | nsadmin | my argument here is: no problem. but learn how to do it so that you get what you want |
| 07:30.36 | valdyn | elik: looks to me like that file is run as root and that it should not output stuff to ~/.xsession-errors |
| 07:30.41 | nsadmin | did I EVER say stupid? |
| 07:30.42 | nsadmin | it' |
| 07:30.47 | nsadmin | s what you want |
| 07:31.01 | nsadmin | it's not necessarily packaged with a bow |
| 07:31.06 | nsadmin | so you might have to work to get it |
| 07:31.21 | elik | well, that's a bit why I'm here, no? |
| 07:31.28 | elik | I did try different options |
| 07:31.39 | elik | But nothing seems to quite cut it |
| 07:32.01 | nsadmin | hmm. might be nice to see what you tried, got a journal of its history? |
| 07:32.42 | nsadmin | would be nice to know for each thing you tried, why exactly did it not cut it |
| 07:33.05 | nsadmin | in order to understand what to suggest (otherwise, any guess is a shot in the dark) |
| 07:33.42 | elik | nsadmin, well, you might be interested to start from the beginning, we've been through it all, pretty much |
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| 07:33.51 | valdyn | elik: its run as root sais the documentation too |
| 07:34.06 | valdyn | elik: http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/2.20/configuration.html.de#scriptdirs |
| 07:34.16 | orgthingy | hello, it says that it got wrong password from kerrying to use gksu, so how can i change password that's saved in kerrying? |
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| 07:35.29 | nsadmin | <orgthingy> hello, WHAT says that WHAT got wrong password? |
| 07:36.03 | orgthingy | nsadmin : gksu |
| 07:36.07 | orgthingy | i just said it o_O |
| 07:36.40 | orgthingy | nsadmin : read what i said again |
| 07:37.02 | nsadmin | it needs two passes? :) |
| 07:37.06 | elik | valdyn, if I echo something in that script, where will it land? |
| 07:37.07 | valdyn | orgthingy: run seahorse, edit keys or remove keys |
| 07:37.22 | valdyn | elik: uh? |
| 07:37.38 | valdyn | elik: thats vague,give the command |
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| 07:38.07 | elik | valdyn, well, where does the output of any command in gdm/Init go |
| 07:38.15 | elik | trying to see if it errored somehow |
| 07:38.26 | nsadmin | can you see stdout? |
| 07:38.40 | nsadmin | sorry can you see stderr |
| 07:38.52 | valdyn | elik: i dont know where it logs to |
| 07:39.01 | elik | valdyn, kk |
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| 07:39.13 | valdyn | elik: but its /var/log/gdm/ |
| 07:39.33 | orgthingy | valdyn : thanks, but is there a way to do it in commandline? |
| 07:39.42 | nsadmin | is it an init script? if so you could put echos in there and then run it |
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| 07:39.55 | nsadmin | from the terminal |
| 07:39.57 | valdyn | orgthingy: yes, sure,but i dont know it |
| 07:40.15 | orgthingy | I see, thanks anyway :-) |
| 07:40.20 | nsadmin | then when x takes over you could ctrl-alt-Fwhichever |
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| 07:43.42 | elik | too late to keep going, will give it another try tomorrow |
| 07:43.44 | elik | thx guys |
| 07:45.22 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 07:45.33 | n-iCe | Why I don't have the gnome package installed if I use gnome? Debian Lenny 5.0 |
| 07:45.43 | n-iCe | though it was installed by default. |
| 07:47.10 | KC | its probably not installing the full gnome |
| 07:47.19 | KC | and just some of it |
| 07:47.41 | n-iCe | yeah |
| 07:47.48 | n-iCe | Would be good to install it right? |
| 07:47.50 | nsadmin | it's also possible that not even any graphics stuff (like, not x server) was installed |
| 07:47.51 | KC | I know it does similar with KDE |
| 07:48.01 | KC | that too |
| 07:48.10 | n-iCe | nsadmin: I am running X actually |
| 07:48.11 | KC | but I assume from his description he has gnome running |
| 07:48.19 | n-iCe | yuo |
| 07:48.31 | KC | yuo? |
| 07:48.34 | n-iCe | KC: do you use any desktop? |
| 07:48.45 | KC | KDE |
| 07:48.45 | n-iCe | you > yup |
| 07:48.49 | n-iCe | I dont like it :/ |
| 07:48.59 | KC | thats ok, i hate gnome |
| 07:49.07 | KC | nice thing about linux, you get to choose |
| 07:49.08 | n-iCe | hehe, why do you use KDE? |
| 07:49.24 | n-iCe | KC: I know :) just wondering, and chatting, can we do that here? |
| 07:49.31 | nsadmin | because it's running on his machine? |
| 07:50.01 | KC | I always assume I can do something until I'm told otherwise |
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| 07:50.20 | nsadmin | KC: you can't drink water!! |
| 07:50.33 | nsadmin | just kidding |
| 07:50.37 | KC | its about 90% that its what I've always used |
| 07:50.38 | n-iCe | He will drink bear anyway |
| 07:50.51 | KC | and 10% that anything that looks like a mac drives me into a rage |
| 07:50.55 | nsadmin | the bear might not like that |
| 07:51.10 | n-iCe | KC: what are the changes between KDE and GNOME , just appereance? |
| 07:51.20 | KC | the bear will do what he's told unless he wants the hose again |
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| 07:52.03 | KC | appearance, a lot of core apps (kate is awesome ^^) KDE has a lot more customization too |
| 07:52.20 | KC | sec |
| 07:52.30 | nsadmin | gnome is primarily C, while kde is primarily c++ |
| 07:52.40 | n-iCe | KC: is there an image with KDE as default? or you didn't install the desktop enviroment and then you did the kde installation? |
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| 07:52.57 | Lagaro | n-iCe: there's a KDE version of the first intall CD |
| 07:53.04 | n-iCe | is gnome older? |
| 07:53.14 | n-iCe | Lagaro: :) |
| 07:53.16 | n-iCe | Lagaro: the console guy |
| 07:53.21 | Lagaro | n-iCe: not certain . . . heh |
| 07:53.25 | KC | there's a debian kde image yeah though I just plugged in a command off the netinstall and downloaded it while I was installing everything else |
| 07:53.27 | Lagaro | n-iCe: yep heh |
| 07:53.36 | KC | KDE is older |
| 07:53.42 | nsadmin | gnome was always free software, while kde uses qt, and for awhile qt was nonfree |
| 07:53.49 | n-iCe | oh |
| 07:53.52 | n-iCe | interesting |
| 07:53.52 | KC | gnome was made as a reaction to the qt dual license |
| 07:53.56 | nsadmin | now it's dual licensed |
| 07:54.02 | KC | triple |
| 07:54.03 | Lagaro | is having fun doing work for a change . . . going back to it |
| 07:54.08 | KC | its got lgpl now too |
| 07:54.21 | nsadmin | legal gpl? :) |
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| 07:54.36 | n-iCe | I read about XFce |
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| 07:54.45 | n-iCe | What do you guys think about it? |
| 07:54.50 | KC | y'know, I don't actually know what the l stands for |
| 07:54.53 | nsadmin | n-iCe: you gotta just try them |
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| 07:55.05 | n-iCe | nsadmin: have you? |
| 07:55.19 | nsadmin | originally, "library", then maybe "limited" |
| 07:55.53 | owen1 | i want to burn a file onto a dvd. i insert empty dvd. where is it located? |
| 07:55.54 | nsadmin | n-iCe: not a useful question as I'm not going to answer opinion questions :) |
| 07:55.59 | KC | lesser |
| 07:56.10 | KC | acording to the legal notice in Dwarf Fortress |
| 07:56.14 | nsadmin | right, that's what it became, not limited |
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| 07:57.23 | nsadmin | basically it allows programs to be linked with closed source so long as .o files are provided of the app so it can be relinked |
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| 08:07.33 | SRabbelier | Meh, Gmail won't let me use offline gmail because I'm on iceweasel, not on firefox :-/ |
| 08:07.55 | SRabbelier | Is it possible to make iceweasel pretend to be firefox? (I reckon it sends a different agent string and whatnot) |
| 08:08.24 | KC | hahahah |
| 08:08.28 | KC | I just went through that |
| 08:08.29 | KC | sec |
| 08:09.08 | SRabbelier | KC: lol, awesome :) |
| 08:09.36 | Ace2016_- | offline gmail? why not just use kmail (better) or thunderbird with offline imap? |
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| 08:09.49 | KC | http://www.geticeweasel.org/useragent/ |
| 08:09.59 | SRabbelier | KC: you rock |
| 08:10.28 | KC | really needs to be a standard option somehow, nobody but google seems to get dealing with iceweasel |
| 08:10.28 | Ace2016_- | theres actually a geticeweasel.org? |
| 08:11.08 | SRabbelier | KC: hehe |
| 08:11.12 | Ace2016_- | i'm going to ID with fake browser info and see what happens |
| 08:11.16 | SRabbelier | Ace2016_-: apparently |
| 08:11.43 | orgthingy | SRabbelier : User agent switcher plugin |
| 08:12.39 | SRabbelier | orgthingy: yup, downloading it now :) |
| 08:14.16 | SRabbelier | KC: hahha, now I need to trick it into thinking I'm on linux |
| 08:14.23 | SRabbelier | goes to edit the config thing some more |
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| 08:14.41 | Ace2016_- | i'm going to use google chrome's ID |
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| 08:17.57 | syzygy | Is there a way to get Debian Lenny working with the Catalyst 9.1 drivers? |
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| 08:18.19 | SRabbelier | KC: awesome! |
| 08:18.35 | SRabbelier | KC: I just changed it to say I'm on Linux + Firefox 2.0, and I got the download link just fine :D |
| 08:18.59 | KC | what did you change to make it say linux? |
| 08:19.11 | orgthingy | I just changed mine to linux + Firefox 3.5 |
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| 08:19.51 | SRabbelier | KC: lemme export it for you |
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| 08:21.09 | r57 | somebody can help me |
| 08:21.10 | r57 | i hav |
| 08:21.11 | r57 | i have |
| 08:21.15 | r57 | 1 c-class ip adress |
| 08:21.20 | r57 | but i don`t know how to add |
| 08:21.48 | r57 | ifconfig add 87.120.61.0 ? |
| 08:21.50 | SRabbelier | KC: <useragent description="Firefox 2 (Linux)" useragent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0" appname="Netscape" appversion="Linux i686" platform="X11" vendor="" vendorsub=""/> |
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| 08:24.38 | mhymn | r57: man ifconfig ? |
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| 08:25.29 | r57 | i`m lame bro |
| 08:25.37 | r57 | :< |
| 08:25.41 | SRabbelier | KC: maybe we can teach dpkg how to do that :P, or about that site? |
| 08:25.45 | babuun | ifconfig eth0:1 your_ip netmask your_netmask broadcast your_broadcast |
| 08:25.48 | babuun | something like that |
| 08:25.55 | r57 | thanks man |
| 08:26.07 | r57 | my lan card is eth1 |
| 08:26.16 | r57 | ifconfig eth1 ip netmask .. |
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| 08:26.41 | quentusrex | How do I allow a particular user or group the ability to read and write to a directory? |
| 08:26.52 | ronr | hi, I want to give kde 4.2 a test drive on my lenny system, kde4.debian.org says it won't update their packages after 4.1.4, will there be 4.2 packages for lenny (if yes, when and where would they appear)? |
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| 08:28.21 | KC | ronr: something else I just did |
| 08:28.41 | KC | you can get it to install from experimental in you enable partial sid |
| 08:28.41 | ronr | KC: ? |
| 08:28.46 | KC | sec |
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| 08:29.56 | KC | ronr: http://linuxsaga.com/guide/kde-42-in-debian-testing-lenny |
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| 08:30.13 | KC | DON'T do an update after those steps |
| 08:30.29 | KC | you'll end up with half your system being sid |
| 08:30.57 | r57 | W: GPG error: http://debian.ludost.net etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 08:30.57 | r57 | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 08:30.57 | r57 | W: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org etch/volatile Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 08:30.57 | r57 | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 08:31.06 | r57 | how i can fix this |
| 08:31.42 | ronr | KC: thx, I'll consider using it but I'd prefer to stick with lenny for now (I guess I'll wait a week or two and if there aren't any lenny packages (planned) by then I'll use your way) |
| 08:31.42 | KC | run apt-get update |
| 08:31.52 | KC | also, should say don't do upgrade |
| 08:31.52 | r57 | run.. but :) |
| 08:31.58 | r57 | this err give me or r57 |
| 08:32.00 | KC | update is somewhat needed |
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| 08:32.30 | KC | r57: what is the command that gives you those errors? |
| 08:32.56 | r57 | apt-get update |
| 08:32.56 | r57 | ;] |
| 08:33.09 | KC | ah.. hmm |
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| 08:33.58 | Suzu | hello |
| 08:34.24 | KC | apt-get install gnupg |
| 08:34.44 | KC | gpg --no-default-keyring --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --recv 359AAB34 |
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| 08:43.38 | KC | r57 did you get those two commands I posted? |
| 08:44.46 | Lagaro | is back |
| 08:48.02 | Lagaro | is going to bed now |
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| 08:53.26 | r57 | KC |
| 08:53.27 | r57 | sauro:~# gpg --no-default-keyring --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --recv 359AAB34 |
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| 08:54.42 | Kohvihoor | should i get amd64 or ia64 image for core2quad? |
| 08:55.37 | KC | I don't know at this point |
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| 08:56.13 | matmo | morning all |
| 08:56.41 | matmo | recommended lightweight ftp server for etch? |
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| 08:59.49 | Ip_Man | proftpd? |
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| 09:04.02 | alcohol | mornin' all |
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| 09:08.37 | hark | Kohvihoor: either i386 or amd64 |
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| 09:21.44 | nsadmin | Kohvihoor: not ia64 |
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| 09:25.37 | x1250 | I've just upgraded to sid (from lenny), and realized that software-properties-gtk lists sid's repos on the "Third Party Software" tab, with no repos selected on the "Main tab". If I select the main repos, lenny's repos get added to sources.list. This things believes I'm still on lenny, and so does lsb_release. |
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| 09:26.53 | valdyn | x1250: that is probably working as intended |
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| 09:27.24 | valdyn | !info base-files sid |
| 09:27.27 | valdyn | !info base-files lenny |
| 09:27.48 | dpkg | base-files: (Debian base system miscellaneous files), section admin, is required. Version: 5 (sid), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 09:27.54 | dpkg | base-files: (Debian base system miscellaneous files), section admin, is required. Version: 5 (lenny), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 09:28.23 | valdyn | x1250: see ^^, identical packages, /etc/debian_version will also be the same |
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| 09:30.38 | x1250 | uhm, ok, another thing I noticed is that installing debian with sudo results in gksu not working until gksu-properties is configured to use sudo. I guess this should be done automagically. |
| 09:31.18 | valdyn | x1250: i think it works, it just defaults to using su? |
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| 09:32.39 | sadleder3 | hi, does anyone know if there is a working nvidia proprietary driver for xserver-xorg-core 2:1.5.99.901-2? |
| 09:33.35 | x1250 | valdyn, yes it use su, but it doesn't work... |
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| 09:33.52 | valdyn | x1250: ok, no idea, probably file a bug report |
| 09:33.53 | x1250 | s/use/uses |
| 09:34.08 | x1250 | valdyn, what is the bugtracker? |
| 09:34.16 | x1250 | where sorry |
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| 09:34.34 | valdyn | x1250: that software-properties-gtk detects anything almost as 3rd party |
| 09:34.49 | valdyn | x1250: including my own lenny mirror |
| 09:35.13 | valdyn | x1250: not sure how its checking if something is "Debian Software" or "Third-Party.." |
| 09:35.24 | beefsalad | I cannot wrap my head around why I can get ubuntu installed on my laptop, but not debian. with ubuntu I have to do nothing special, with debian I have to throw 'all-generic-ide irqpoll' to get it to find the cdrom, but then the installer complains that it cannot mount the cd. netinstall and regular install methods do the same thing |
| 09:35.43 | beefsalad | the laptop is toshiba qosmio x305-q701 |
| 09:36.14 | beefsalad | I used to have the install cd kernel boot options page bookmarked, but now I can't find it :/ any tips? |
| 09:36.22 | valdyn | beefsalad: which release are you trying to install? |
| 09:36.26 | beefsalad | and yes, I know debian != ubuntu |
| 09:36.45 | beefsalad | valdyn: right now stable, but I upgrade to unstable once its installed |
| 09:36.56 | valdyn | beefsalad: try a lenny installer |
| 09:38.04 | beefsalad | valdyn: thanks, I didnt realize that was an option (old laptop hasn't been reinstalled in 4 years) |
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| 09:39.12 | nsadmin | beefsalad: maybe ubuntu autodetects this and places that on the kernel cmd line, or maybe autodetection results in a different driver |
| 09:39.39 | valdyn | beefsalad: etch has issues with cdrom sometimes, i dont know specifics |
| 09:40.03 | valdyn | beefsalad: probably in the wiki somewhere |
| 09:40.03 | beefsalad | erk, forgot to mention the other problem |
| 09:40.22 | beefsalad | if I boot from usb-cdrom (which is flaky due to the bios) it can find the cdrom, but not the hard drives |
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| 09:41.46 | valdyn | beefsalad: same deal, i would try the lenny installer |
| 09:41.47 | nsadmin | maybe there's more bios flakage that causes that |
| 09:42.33 | beefsalad | and of course I can't boot to vista since ubuntu took over the MBR, so I cant flash it heh |
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| 09:44.47 | lxsameer | hi |
| 09:45.18 | lxsameer | is there any article about how to build a debian pure blend system step by step , around? |
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| 09:45.39 | beefsalad | you can attach debian to a blender? (sorry, bored waiting for iso to burn) |
| 09:46.09 | lxsameer | beefsalad: ??? |
| 09:46.26 | beefsalad | lxsameer: ignore me |
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| 09:51.58 | beefsalad | valdyn: testing installer found the cdrom, and mounted it, woot! |
| 09:52.10 | beefsalad | found the NIC (progress rules) |
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| 09:52.42 | clusty | is it possible to write a file on the disk from a pl/pgsql function? |
| 09:52.43 | beefsalad | and found the disks, you kick much ass |
| 09:52.59 | clusty | oops |
| 09:53.00 | clusty | :D |
| 09:53.17 | clusty | wrong chanel |
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| 10:06.57 | beefsalad | is there a way to change sources in the middle of a netinstall? I'm afraid I cant wait 18hrs for this crap to download |
| 10:06.57 | beefsalad | I'm only kidding, I know its not possible without restarting |
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| 10:09.03 | petemc | beefsalad: sure you can |
| 10:10.08 | bolt-work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:18.45 | beefsalad | petemc: dont tease me |
| 10:20.10 | petemc | im not |
| 10:20.10 | beefsalad | then out with the answer |
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| 10:25.15 | hark | as in sure you can wait :) |
| 10:25.25 | beefsalad | heh |
| 10:25.33 | beefsalad | I'm not sitting at the damn office |
| 10:26.01 | beefsalad | in 2.5hrs, I'm burning out of here and not coming back |
| 10:26.10 | beefsalad | atleast until monday hehe |
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| 10:30.56 | Stanlin | heloo and help |
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| 10:32.18 | rvsjoen | gives Stanlin some help, here you go.. |
| 10:32.25 | Stanlin | wifi aint working, how to setup a |
| 10:32.33 | Stanlin | ping |
| 10:33.00 | amitz | what step did you do to make it work? |
| 10:33.04 | Stanlin | wifi aint working, how to setup a conection ? |
| 10:33.36 | Stanlin | !wifi |
| 10:33.36 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 10:34.01 | Stanlin | !atheros |
| 10:34.01 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <madwifi> for stable wireless chipset drivers; <ath5k>, <ath9k>, <ar9170> or <otus> for wireless drivers under development. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2> or <atl1e> for Ethernet adapter drivers. |
| 10:34.40 | Stanlin | how to know what wifi card do i have? |
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| 10:34.55 | amitz | !what's my wireless |
| 10:34.55 | dpkg | Install the 'hwinfo' package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/, or ask about <whats my hardware> |
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| 10:38.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Hello. I am using Unstable but I am still having Kernel 2.6.26 ... There is not available update for it. Is there a way i can get 2.6.27 / 28 |
| 10:38.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *no |
| 10:38.48 | beefsalad | roll your own |
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| 10:39.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol as in compiling ? |
| 10:39.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no the stock kernels are always lighter |
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| 10:39.29 | Stanlin1 | I have atheros ar242x, how to configure it to work? |
| 10:39.33 | beefsalad | pretty sure you can get the patches they used from the .26 sources |
| 10:39.53 | beefsalad | bashes head against desk |
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| 10:40.08 | beefsalad | ata5.00: failed to set xfermode (err_max=0x4) |
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| 10:40.22 | amitz | Stanlin1: do you want to just join a wifi network, or you want to set up an accesspoint? |
| 10:40.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Are they going to update it when lenny releases or something? as Gnome froze too with 2.22.3 .... |
| 10:40.31 | beefsalad | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you sure an update isnt available? the testing installer is using 2.6.27 |
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| 10:40.44 | Stanlin1 | amitz: i want to joint to my AP, its open AP |
| 10:40.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ya man. |
| 10:40.55 | themill | dpkg: tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about freeze |
| 10:41.06 | Stanlin1 | amitz: its a router wifi, works fine with other laptops |
| 10:41.22 | amitz | There are 2 ways, one is guaranteed, which is: |
| 10:41.26 | amitz | !madwifi |
| 10:41.26 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci. To install drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 is supported in lenny. http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:41.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm ok |
| 10:41.33 | themill | beefsalad: the testing installer is using 2.6.26 |
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| 10:41.47 | amitz | the other is not sure: |
| 10:41.52 | amitz | !ath5k |
| 10:41.52 | dpkg | well, ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx wireless LAN chipsets. It is a new driver under heavy development. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k and http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/About/ath5k for more information. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See also <wireless tree>. |
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| 10:42.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Ok I didn't know they freeze the unstable too for a while. Thanks for the info |
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| 10:42.58 | beefsalad | themill: I have a strange feeling that the installer didnt overwrite ubuntus grub like I expected |
| 10:42.58 | Stanlin1 | amitz: yes, the module is loaded, and gnome network config recognizes, but it doesnt connect |
| 10:43.05 | questionix | where can I get the "sid" release? I'm checking and the most "up-to-date" I can find is the daily built images of testing. Is this sid equivalent? |
| 10:43.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i downloaded lenny and converted to SID questionix |
| 10:43.30 | amitz | Stanlin1: which module? madwifi? |
| 10:43.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | just repository change and an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:43.44 | Stanlin1 | amitz: ath5k |
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| 10:44.26 | amitz | what's the result of iwconfig ? |
| 10:44.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | u can download the daily built and fetch the additional packages you need from the repositories |
| 10:44.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | sid is never released |
| 10:45.00 | Stanlin1 | amitz: it shows, lo, eth0, wmaster, wlan0 |
| 10:45.47 | amitz | the entry of wlan0 states a wireless extension right? |
| 10:45.51 | amitz | unlike others. |
| 10:46.43 | Stanlin1 | amitz: states, link encap: ethernet |
| 10:46.43 | themill | can't wait for lenny to release so that all hell breaks loose in both testing and unstable to teach all the "cool kids" a lesson. |
| 10:46.57 | Stanlin1 | amitz: wmaster, states , UNSPEC |
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| 10:47.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | **Wonders why everyone discourages SID here** |
| 10:47.51 | enouf | ... |
| 10:47.55 | Stanlin1 | amitz: wlan0 shows the frequency, ieee800.11, etc, |
| 10:48.06 | themill | sh4d3sl4y3r_: because if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using it. |
| 10:48.32 | amitz | What about the entry of "Access Point"? What does it say? |
| 10:48.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no I meant in a different sense . I mean I never found it that unstable |
| 10:48.48 | Stanlin1 | amitz: says: NOT associated |
| 10:49.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | package versions are almost parallel to other distros . |
| 10:49.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | They should consider releasing a proper installable DVD of SID once in 6 months |
| 10:50.10 | amitz | Stanlin1: you said the AP is not encrypted right? type "iwconfig essid [ap-essid]". Then type iwconfig again. |
| 10:50.24 | amitz | ap-essid means the essid of your accesspoint |
| 10:50.55 | themill | sh4d3sl4y3r_: why? what's the point? the chances of it actually installing are fairly low. |
| 10:50.57 | amitz | after the second iwconfig, is the accesspoint still unassociated? |
| 10:51.35 | Stanlin1 | amitz: ive typed: iwconfig essid myap |
| 10:51.42 | Stanlin1 | amitz: and ive typed: iwconfig essid [myap] |
| 10:51.50 | amitz | sorry, it supposed to be "iwconfig wlan0 essid [ap-essid]" :-) |
| 10:52.04 | Stanlin1 | the result is : iwconfig unkown command |
| 10:52.08 | amitz | erase the brackets |
| 10:52.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | themill the point is Debian (STABLE)'s lack of latest hardware support. After being paranoid and fixing packages for months when a major release comes other distros go ahead. The packages are tremendously updated to support the new hardware |
| 10:52.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | still if i install etch for my notebook my ethernet is not detected |
| 10:52.44 | themill | sh4d3sl4y3r_: heard of etchnhalf? backports.org? |
| 10:52.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | this is where the point is |
| 10:53.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | let me see |
| 10:53.26 | enouf | heard of lenny? |
| 10:53.36 | Stanlin1 | amitz: still now associated |
| 10:53.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << uses a lenny and sid hybrid |
| 10:53.45 | Stanlin1 | amitz: still NOT associated |
| 10:53.56 | themill | sh4d3sl4y3r_: right, and that's *not* sid which is what you are advocating |
| 10:54.31 | liable | Stanlin1: erm, do you have wireless-tools installed? |
| 10:54.35 | themill | sh4d3sl4y3r_: sid is not designed for end users. sid is frequently not installable at all and sid has a big pile of known bugs that are known to cause serious data loss. Do you think that debian wouldn't make a new release earlier if it could? Just because some other distros see a calendar as being more important than quality doesn't mean that debian should do the same. |
| 10:55.01 | Stanlin1 | liable: no but, i can iinstlal it |
| 10:55.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I am not *advocating* . Just sharing my viewpoints for the need of an installable SID DVD.. Or else a day will come your hands will pain kicking out the Ubuntu / sidux users out of here. Or else unknowingly providing support to the Ubuntu users |
| 10:55.11 | Stanlin1 | liable: apt-get install wireless-tools ? |
| 10:55.25 | amitz | Stanlin1: hmm one more thing before trying madwifi since (if I remember it right), ath5k seems to work in Asus EEE AR2412, but turns out I need madwifi. |
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| 10:55.40 | liable | Stanlin1: if it tells you unknown command, why would you expect it to do something? yes, apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 10:55.49 | Mowee | hi |
| 10:56.03 | themill | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you;'re missing the point about sid not being installable and not being releasable. There *are* installation images for testing however. |
| 10:56.09 | liable | amitz: ath5k wont work on the eee's wifi chip |
| 10:56.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | that's debian's perspective to see it. I don't wanna compare other distro's here but majority of them has parallel packages . Those users never lose data that easily. then why |
| 10:56.19 | liable | amitz: not in the current debian kernels |
| 10:56.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | testing is a different branch |
| 10:56.55 | liable | Stanlin1: you have an eee? |
| 10:57.04 | amitz | liable: then my memory is correct. Turns out that asus eee needs madwifi. |
| 10:57.14 | paulfitzpatrick | whats the deal with installing a mail server on debian, exim or postfix? |
| 10:57.17 | Stanlin1 | liable: i have an MSI wind |
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| 10:57.26 | liable | ok |
| 10:57.31 | petemc | paulfitzpatrick: both work well |
| 10:57.39 | paulfitzpatrick | which is easiest for a noob? |
| 10:57.54 | petemc | both have debconf front ends, so theres not much in it |
| 10:57.55 | enouf | webmail |
| 10:58.19 | liable | for a noob, using an mta set up by an admin is best ;) |
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| 10:58.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I am nooone to say anything. Time will tell what this will ultimately end in. Debian has an awesome background. But for these minor reasons a day will come. People start thinking *.deb extensions or apt are Ubuntu / "Fill in any other debian based distro here" creations |
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| 10:58.44 | liable | sure |
| 10:58.53 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: people are idiots |
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| 10:59.11 | amitz | Stanlin1: anyway, run "iwlist wlan0 scanning" just to be sure that you get your essid name right and the wifi actually works (to some extent). If anything else fail, maybe you must use madwifi like asus eee does. |
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| 10:59.25 | enouf | s/people/some people (obviously) ;-) |
| 10:59.45 | Stanlin1 | amitz: wlan0 no scan results |
| 10:59.50 | themill | enouf: no, I was just going with your first statement as being correct |
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| 11:00.00 | Mark17 | hello, does someone know a good option for the following? I am working on a storage cluster (and I know there are many options), I am thinking about something like: 6 storage nodes with something like raid1 per 2 nodes with 2 controlservers that provides the connections to the cluster nodes, on every virtual raid1 set we will run a lvm physical volume and the 3 volumes i will get re transferred to 1 volume group and the frontend servers need to see |
| 11:00.00 | Mark17 | it as 1 volume (when possible something like lvm so i can add/remove/replace nodes when needed as long as they are not in use). what is the best option for me (I am looking for this because i will need to store 100TB in the future and am preparing for it) |
| 11:00.01 | enouf | heh |
| 11:00.01 | liable | Stanlin1: paste your lspci output to a pastebin |
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| 11:00.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Anyways end of Debian lectures . lol . |
| 11:00.31 | amitz | Stanlin1: let liable take over, I need a little beauty sleep :-) |
| 11:00.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I need to try out DebianKfreebsd when they release 7.0 |
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| 11:00.58 | Stanlin1 | thanks amitz |
| 11:01.13 | dtcrshr | hi folks, i have a doubnt about pptp and iptables. Iv created a router with linux, to share and do a load balance for two adsl connections, and internet browsing works fine. My issue is that i got many computers hanged on this router, that needs to connect to a vpn ppto server, but they cant log in all at the same time, 3, 4 gots well, but after that they keep checking the users password but dont authenticate on the vpn. Is th |
| 11:01.15 | Stanlin1 | liable: give me 1 min, i need to disconect the wire from this pc, to plug the netbook |
| 11:01.21 | liable | ok |
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| 11:01.54 | amitz | Stanlin1: np, but last thing: are you sure the accesspoint is on since wlan0 can't find it, although that may be caused by a non working ath5k on your chipset. |
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| 11:04.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | time to go gymming. See you all in a few hours |
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| 11:05.17 | paulfitzpatrick | I don't 'need' dovecot with postfix do I |
| 11:05.25 | liable | no |
| 11:05.34 | paulfitzpatrick | I folled some guys walkthrough and dovecot has just screwed everything. |
| 11:05.36 | Stanlin | liable: pastebin.com/mc4f4122 |
| 11:05.45 | paulfitzpatrick | might revert the dovecot part for now |
| 11:06.22 | liable | Stanlin: you do need madwifi for that chip (with the debian 2.6.26 kernel) |
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| 11:06.56 | Stanlin | liable: i have 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 11:07.14 | Stanlin | !madwifi |
| 11:07.14 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci. To install drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 is supported in lenny. http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:07.19 | liable | Stanlin: install madwifi-source, madwifi-tools, module-assistant. then m-a prepare; m-a a-i madwifi |
| 11:07.43 | Stanlin | liable: ok, brb, going to disconect the wire again |
| 11:07.47 | liable | then modprobe -r ath5k, modprobe ath-pci |
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| 11:20.17 | Stereo | hello |
| 11:20.54 | Stereo | I'm getting an error when I add a rule with ip rule |
| 11:20.59 | Stereo | # echo 200 John >> /etc/iproute2/rt_tables |
| 11:20.59 | Stereo | # ip rule add from 10.0.0.10 table John |
| 11:21.01 | Stereo | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
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| 11:21.28 | Stanling | ping |
| 11:21.28 | Stereo | this is exactly the command from the lartc howto |
| 11:21.38 | Stereo | what could I be doing wrong? |
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| 11:22.21 | Stanlin1 | test |
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| 11:24.13 | liable | Stanlin: test failed |
| 11:25.00 | Stanlin1 | test |
| 11:25.07 | Stereo | Stanlin1: fail |
| 11:25.13 | Stanlin1 | hi liable |
| 11:25.22 | Stanlin1 | still compiling...its 0% |
| 11:25.56 | liable | m-a always seemingly hangs at 0, then finally finishes |
| 11:26.06 | Stanlin1 | correct |
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| 11:27.14 | Stanlin1 | liable: ok its done |
| 11:27.20 | Stanlin1 | 2 new packages installed |
| 11:27.30 | Stanlin1 | madwifi-tools and modules |
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| 11:28.30 | liable | modprobe -r ath5k; modprobe ath-pci |
| 11:28.39 | liable | iwlist ath0 scanning |
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| 11:29.58 | Stanlin1 | ath0 No scan results |
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| 11:30.47 | ghetto | hi all |
| 11:31.00 | bittin_ | hi |
| 11:31.15 | ghetto | please help me |
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| 11:32.02 | ghetto | how to install kde4 debian etch? |
| 11:32.16 | ghetto | or kde4.1 - 4.2 |
| 11:32.33 | Stanlin1 | liable: ath0 No scan results |
| 11:32.58 | liable | Stanlin1: i forgot, did you do ifconfig ath0 up? |
| 11:33.22 | Stanlin1 | liable: yeh |
| 11:33.33 | Stanlin1 | liable: same result |
| 11:33.52 | liable | Stanlin1: is your ap hiding the ssid? |
| 11:33.53 | enouf | ghetto: you don't |
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| 11:34.05 | enouf | ghetto: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 11:34.07 | Stanlin1 | liable: let me see |
| 11:34.37 | ghetto | ok. thanks enouf |
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| 11:35.44 | redguy_work | howdy, can I use serial console with stock lenny kernel? |
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| 11:40.00 | Stanlin | liable: not working :( |
| 11:40.30 | Stanlin | liable: no, the wifi ssid is public |
| 11:40.34 | liable | Stanlin: paste dmesg output to pastebin |
| 11:40.34 | redguy_work | I mean: is the serial module compiled in the stock kernel in lenny? |
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| 11:41.12 | liable | redguy_work: yep, should work |
| 11:41.39 | liable | not compiled in, but there are several serial driver modules |
| 11:41.44 | Hoxzer | 3 |
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| 11:42.14 | liable | 7 plus parport-serial |
| 11:44.09 | Stanlin1 | back |
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| 11:45.28 | liable | Stanlin1: and the link to the paste is? |
| 11:46.43 | Stanlin1 | liable: http://pastebin.com/m74d71ac8 |
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| 11:47.41 | liable | Stanlin1: your lsmod output too please |
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| 11:48.36 | Stanlin1 | liable: http://pastebin.com/m2a5358f8 |
| 11:48.44 | enouf | redguy_work: this should still work - the config options haven't changed AFAIK http://www.xand.co.uk/debianSerialConsole.php |
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| 11:49.09 | enouf | redguy_work: if you get taken to home page, click geek stuff |
| 11:49.10 | liable | Stanlin1: wrong one |
| 11:49.36 | Stanlin1 | liable: wrong madwifi? |
| 11:49.51 | liable | Stanlin1: i wanted lsmod output this time, not dmesg |
| 11:50.31 | Stanlin1 | liable: http://pastebin.com/m3c3e29f8 |
| 11:51.26 | beefsalad | lol, just got done installing, and I've forgotten my damn passwords |
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| 11:52.04 | liable | Stanlin1: ok, thats good. try running the scan command a few times. no reason i can think of why it isnt picking up the ap |
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| 11:52.30 | liable | sometimes you dont pick up all ap's with just one scan |
| 11:52.41 | paulfitzpatrick | is there a way to retrieve the original postfix main.cf |
| 11:52.48 | Stanlin1 | liable: did like 30 scan i think |
| 11:52.54 | Stanlin1 | liable: im going to reboot |
| 11:52.55 | paulfitzpatrick | I altered with dovecot stuff, don't have a backup |
| 11:54.02 | petemc | paulfitzpatrick: try running dpkg-reconfigure postfix again |
| 11:54.09 | paulfitzpatrick | tah |
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| 11:59.56 | redguy_work | thanks enouf and liable |
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| 12:08.34 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 12:08.34 | dpkg | well, qotd92 is <bobesponja> I'm running sid, not debian |
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| 12:15.51 | Stanlin | hey |
| 12:16.02 | Stanlin | liable: worked!! |
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| 12:16.44 | Stanlin | liable: just the problem is now, how to set the WPA personal, TKIP, encryption |
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| 12:18.13 | kunwon1 | wpa_supplicant |
| 12:18.20 | liable | Stanlin: wpasupplicant has good docs in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant .. or you can use one of the gui managers |
| 12:18.36 | kunwon1 | gui ftl |
| 12:18.40 | kunwon1 | :) |
| 12:18.46 | Stanlin | liable: ohh wpasupplicant |
| 12:19.07 | liable | kunwon1: i will happily stand by and watch you tell him how to carve out a config file then |
| 12:19.23 | kunwon1 | lol |
| 12:19.27 | Stanlin | liable: im using or trying to use the 'network settings' on gnome, but it says WEP passsword, now WPA? whats the difference? |
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| 12:19.40 | kunwon1 | liable, I didn't have anyone holding my hand when I carved out a config file |
| 12:19.51 | liable | Stanlin: wep and wpa are two different types of security for wireless |
| 12:20.17 | kunwon1 | just did some reading |
| 12:20.17 | liable | kunwon1: bully to you then |
| 12:20.44 | Stanlin | liable: my AP has WPA, not WEP... |
| 12:20.47 | liable | kunwon1: rather than just make vapid comments, you can help him understand it |
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| 12:21.28 | liable | Stanlin: so you have network-manager installed? |
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| 12:21.34 | masus | hi all, newbie question is it possible to remove installed files with make install from source. |
| 12:21.50 | Stanlin | liable: yes, but only shows WEP, now WPA |
| 12:22.02 | TheWanderer | masus: It is, but you have to find out the file locations for your own. Reading makefile (install section) helps. |
| 12:22.13 | liable | Stanlin: paste your iwlist scan output |
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| 12:22.36 | FelipeFerreira | hi |
| 12:22.40 | masus | TheWanderer: so i have to find them out and rm it manual ? |
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| 12:23.10 | FelipeFerreira | a need to install firebird 2.1.1 the my debian, how to? |
| 12:23.13 | TheWanderer | masus: Yes, unless the package has an uninstall object in its makefile, which is highly unlikely to be the case. |
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| 12:23.40 | masus | TheWanderer: Thank You. |
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| 12:24.14 | kunwon1 | liable, I was just giving him something so he'd be able to find more info on google or in man pages. I never volunteered to help with anything. |
| 12:25.05 | liable | kunwon1: i was responding to your gui ftl comment |
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| 12:25.20 | DL7LN | !nopaste |
| 12:25.20 | dpkg | Remember you can not paste here, use http://nopaste.snit.ch/ and/or ask me !paste, or if you are stuck in console with no mouse, you can install nopaste: wget http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/nopaste-1992 && chmod 700 nopaste-1992 && command | nopaste, ruby is required, or the homepage for nopaste is http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/ |
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| 12:26.03 | kunwon1 | that's just my opinion liable, it's not a vapid comment |
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| 12:26.21 | liable | kunwon1: i am often amased by the people here saying that whatever gui manager sucks, then fail to supply any help whatsoever in getting a text file based setup working |
| 12:26.36 | liable | so yes, vapid |
| 12:27.11 | liable | sometimes this channel is more of a penis waving contest than a help channel |
| 12:27.21 | kunwon1 | liable, so you're saying I can't state opinions or make recommendations or both, unless i'm willing to teach people how to use apps? bullshit. |
| 12:27.21 | streuner | go away then |
| 12:27.30 | liable | though i must admit to being a part of that |
| 12:27.47 | streuner | your critic isnt helpful |
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| 12:28.33 | FelipeFerreira | i need to install firebird 2.1.1 the my debian, how to? |
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| 12:29.03 | streuner | liable: what kind of crap did you smoke? |
| 12:29.13 | liable | kunwon1: well, opinions arent entirely helpfull, when you dont support them in some way in this channel. it is after all a support channel. |
| 12:29.25 | liable | streuner: oh, what the fuck is your problem? |
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| 12:29.53 | kunwon1 | liable is just trolling I think |
| 12:29.55 | TheWanderer | FelipeFerreira: From what I can see, the latest version in the repo is 2.0.x. Your only option seems to be compiling from sources. You could also package it. |
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| 12:30.05 | Stanlin1 | liable: http://pastebin.com/m7ed4933b |
| 12:30.14 | streuner | liable: i doesnt like the way you critizies people here, you should that better how things work |
| 12:30.24 | streuner | liable: know* |
| 12:30.29 | Stanlin1 | liable: i want to coneect to conejitos |
| 12:30.58 | liable | streuner: dude, read the actual point i was making. who is the person actually helping in this conversation? rather than making unhelpfull comments that guis suck? |
| 12:31.04 | Stanlin1 | liable: IE: WPA Version 1             Group Cipher : TKIP |
| 12:31.25 | streuner | liable: if you have something to tell, tell that in #debian-ops and make suggestions about problem(s) |
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| 12:32.14 | FelipeFerreira | TheWanderer, what "configure: error: termcap support not found" |
| 12:32.23 | liable | streuner: i'll just ignore you. |
| 12:32.33 | kunwon1 | lol.. liable.. this is the last I'll say on this.. I made a recommendation of wpa_supplicant, then expressed an opinion that guis were inferior. If you'd like me to back up that opinion, fine, I think you'll have more consistent results in network configuration using CLI tools, I don't believe that the GUI apps concerned with network configurating, especially WPA wireless configurating, are very good. |
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| 12:33.01 | tomodachi | kunwon1: i think you are right in your own way, but this noob cant handle cli yet |
| 12:33.09 | TheWanderer | FelipeFerreira: I think you could do an "apt-get build-dep firebird2.0-server-common" prior to compile attempt |
| 12:33.21 | tomodachi | they young ones need time... |
| 12:33.26 | liable | kunwon1: I actually have the same opinion, but how is that going to help Stanlin1 get his wireless working? |
| 12:33.34 | kunwon1 | tomocha6, on that subject, I'd say that the best way to learn is to do some googling and man page reading and figure out how to use the CLI apps.. it's the best investment of your time |
| 12:33.56 | tomodachi | kunwon1: true true, still this chan is FULL of quite simple questions... |
| 12:34.09 | FelipeFerreira | TheWanderer, but i need firebird 2.1.1 |
| 12:34.11 | kunwon1 | liable, where before he didn't know what wpa_supplicant was, now he does, he can google it, see what it does, learn to configure it |
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| 12:34.34 | TheWanderer | FelipeFerreira: I know, but build-dep will get the dependencies needed for compile. |
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| 12:35.44 | TheWanderer | FelipeFerreira: For termcap support, you need to: apt-get install libncurses-dev |
| 12:35.45 | sepult | is there a way to get a usb connection from host to guest in virtualbox ? |
| 12:35.56 | sepult | and vice versa ? |
| 12:36.05 | TheWanderer | sepult: As far as I know, not in version present in Debian repos |
| 12:36.46 | liable | kunwon1: he can also use a gui. you realise that by saying that gui's suck, makes the people that actually work on making stuff work easily and well less incentive to do so? I am standing on both sides of the line here, because we all use whatever works for us. I just found your initial commentgrating |
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| 12:36.57 | sepult | TheWanderer: i have a usb printer, so what can i do to print within my guest then ? |
| 12:37.19 | TheWanderer | sepult: I'd go with setting up CUPS and sharing the printer with the guest. |
| 12:37.29 | liable | Stanlin1: whats your ip's ssid? |
| 12:37.42 | Stanlin1 | liable: conejitos |
| 12:37.56 | sepult | TheWanderer: cups is set up, but i don't know if sharing is activated, but thank you for the suggestion |
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| 12:38.29 | liable | Stanlin1: and what does NM do when you click on that ap in the gui? |
| 12:38.41 | TheWanderer | sepult: You can find tutorials on that, just do some googling. And you need host networking for that, too (tun/tap device in current version of VirtualBox from Debian repo) |
| 12:38.50 | kunwon1 | liable, I didn't say guis suck, I said guis ftl. And again, that's just my opinion. If I'm giving disincentive to the developers of GUI tools by expressing my opinion that they're not yet as good as the CLI tools, well then they're just going to have to deal with it. |
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| 12:39.36 | FelipeFerreira | TheWanderer, http://paste.archlinux-br.org/876 |
| 12:39.45 | FelipeFerreira | TheWanderer, what error? |
| 12:39.52 | Stanlin1 | liable: it looks all the 4 AP's, i select the one i want, and as for 'password' type |
| 12:39.54 | liable | kunwon1: ok, enough arguing from me. |
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| 12:41.07 | liable | Stanlin1: it only shows it as wep? you do have wpasupplicant installed dont you? (NM should depend on it) |
| 12:41.33 | Stanlin1 | liable: ohhhh thats the trick..., no installing now |
| 12:42.27 | TheWanderer | FelipeFerreira: I think you could try searching mailing lists or fixing the source code on your own (if you can do C). But still, if it's not in Debian repos, it is for a reason. I'm afraid I can't help you in case the source is flawed... |
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| 12:43.28 | TheWanderer | FelipeFerreira: ...unless you are using some ancient gcc version, like gcc 3.x, which will not compile new Firebird I think. |
| 12:43.40 | Stanlin1 | liable: ok installed the supplicant, but not showing in the NM |
| 12:44.20 | valdyn | Stanlin1: what is not showing? |
| 12:44.21 | hark | Stanlin1: you sure it's nm and not gnome's network admin tool? |
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| 12:45.10 | Stanlin1 | hark: system > administration > network |
| 12:45.15 | liable | Stanlin1: you prolly need to restart the NM thing. |
| 12:45.28 | liable | hark: is that different to NM? |
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| 12:45.50 | valdyn | both are connected only in later versions than lenny has |
| 12:46.05 | Stanlin1 | liable: restarted |
| 12:46.15 | Stanlin1 | liable: should i reboot? |
| 12:46.35 | liable | Stanlin1: probably less time consuming yes |
| 12:46.48 | hark | liable: yes |
| 12:47.13 | liable | sheesh |
| 12:47.55 | hark | at least till lenny i think you can only configure wep with it |
| 12:48.04 | liable | oh really? |
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| 12:48.22 | liable | he must have at least lenny, as he has 26 kernel |
| 12:48.24 | Stanlin1 | hark: is there any better gui for wifi? |
| 12:48.37 | Stanlin1 | its lenny |
| 12:48.42 | valdyn | Stanlin1: can you start nm-applet ? |
| 12:48.45 | Stanlin1 | i installed throug pxe |
| 12:48.52 | Stanlin1 | one sec |
| 12:49.14 | FelipeFerreira | TheWanderer, do you know, how convert .rpm to .deb |
| 12:49.29 | Stanlin1 | with alien? |
| 12:49.33 | TheWanderer | FelipeFerreira: Yes, I do, but that is highly inadvisable... |
| 12:49.46 | valdyn | FelipeFerreira: why are you compiling firebird when its in debian? |
| 12:50.01 | TheWanderer | valdyn: For he needs the most recent release |
| 12:50.03 | FelipeFerreira | valdyn, a need firebird 2.1.1 |
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| 12:50.31 | TheWanderer | FelipeFerreira: do you 'make clean' after every make attempt? |
| 12:50.43 | hark | just checked on sid, still wep only |
| 12:50.43 | hark | Stanlin1: install network-manager-gnome, then run nm-applet |
| 12:50.49 | valdyn | FelipeFerreira: use apt-get build-dep firebird before you try compiling it |
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| 12:51.26 | hark | wicd is the other common one, but it's only in sid |
| 12:51.26 | FelipeFerreira | to compile use ./configure? |
| 12:51.56 | TheWanderer | yes, you use ./configure with some options (read README and INSTALL please!) and then: make clean && make |
| 12:52.07 | TheWanderer | I'm off for several minutes. Be back later. |
| 12:53.01 | Stanlin1 | hark: installed, and getting this error: ** (nm-applet:19259): WARNING **: <WARN> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.48" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file' |
| 12:53.31 | valdyn | Stanlin1: yea, annoying, but you need to read the readme and give your user permissions accordingly |
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| 12:53.47 | Vonor | hi |
| 12:53.59 | valdyn | Stanlin1: if i remember correctly that is adding yourself to the netdev group |
| 12:54.15 | Stanlin1 | i see, one sec |
| 12:54.18 | liable | valdyn: it doesnt usually give that error |
| 12:54.27 | liable | just because you arent in netdev |
| 12:54.38 | hark | Stanlin1: maybe he might have to logout |
| 12:54.46 | liable | Stanlin1: just reboot |
| 12:54.54 | Stanlin1 | ok rebooting |
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| 12:55.39 | Vonor | am experimenting a little with a debian install in a virtualbox and got into a situation where apt can't update libc6 whatever, so i tried to re-install libc6 and it wants to re-install findutils before libc6...the problem is that apt cant install findutils because of the broken libc6 package...is there any way to ignore the depends and only install the package i tell apt to install? |
| 12:55.52 | hark | can one connect via the new nm without X? |
| 12:56.17 | valdyn | liable: "requires users to be in the group 'netdev' for it to work.", whatever the error message would be |
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| 12:57.04 | asg | Vonor: dpkg --force-help |
| 12:57.48 | liable | valdyn: NM adds users to netdev when it installs nowadays. i think the error isnt related. could be wrong though |
| 12:58.02 | valdyn | liable: that would be dangerous |
| 12:58.10 | valdyn | liable: but it could be a debconf question |
| 12:58.16 | liable | he already had it installed and had rebooted just recently |
| 12:59.00 | liable | valdyn: i'm not sure, i think maybe if there is just one user on the system |
| 12:59.32 | liable | though i could be imagining things |
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| 13:00.42 | Vonor | asg, thx |
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| 13:01.32 | liable | it appears so in postinst |
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| 13:04.14 | Stanlin | nm-applet started |
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| 13:05.44 | hark | can you select your network? |
| 13:06.09 | Stanlin | hark: just wired, wifi is not presen t |
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| 13:06.45 | liable | right click on the icon and enable wifi? |
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| 13:07.32 | hark | oh, he has to get rid of it in the interfaces file |
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| 13:07.54 | liable | possibly, but it was showing previously? |
| 13:08.25 | liable | and he only just installed madwifi, so should not have any ath0 stanzas in that file anyway |
| 13:08.41 | hark | if he used the other network manager tool, it might have added it |
| 13:08.51 | liable | hmm, ok |
| 13:09.00 | hark | can't hurt to check :) |
| 13:09.04 | liable | indeed |
| 13:09.20 | liable | Stanlin: paste your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 13:12.23 | Stanlin | liable: cant enable wifi, and the interface file shows only eth0 |
| 13:13.12 | Stanlin | ping |
| 13:13.15 | Stanlin | http://pastebin.com/m67130430 |
| 13:13.15 | liable | Stanlin: if you type 'groups' as a user (not root), does it show netdev? |
| 13:13.43 | Stanlin | liable: in the nm-applet shows now, WIRELESS |
| 13:14.20 | liable | Stanlin: just keep clicking shit for a while and see if you can conect :P |
| 13:14.42 | Stanlin | adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 13:14.51 | liable | ok good |
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| 13:15.39 | Stanlin | liable: but where do i set the WEP key? |
| 13:16.08 | liable | Stanlin: if you right click the icon, it should show the networks yes? |
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| 13:16.17 | Stanlin | yes |
| 13:16.40 | dusty__ | Hey guys I am following: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html - I am on debian etch, but for some reason cannot find the bindconfig package in the repos or the system ?? |
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| 13:16.58 | dusty__ | Hey guys I am following: |
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| 13:17.35 | liable | Stanlin: then if you click on your network it should ask for the key. are you saying it wants wep, not wpa? |
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| 13:17.56 | Stanlin | liable: if i click in : edit wireless networks, i see the window to edit the conectiosn, but no network is available there, however, with the other tool, i can see the AP's |
| 13:18.49 | the-dude | dusty__: This program doesn't exist in bind versions 8.2.1 and higher |
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| 13:20.39 | hark | Stanlin: if you left click the applet, do you see a list of networks? |
| 13:21.32 | liable | hark: you know what the gnome process is called? |
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| 13:23.01 | Stanlin | ping |
| 13:23.14 | bittin_ | pong |
| 13:23.23 | Stanlin | hark: no i dont see any list |
| 13:23.25 | hark | liable: which one? |
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| 13:23.47 | Stanlin | hark: just showing , enable network, enable wireless |
| 13:23.54 | liable | hark: well, he appears to have a gnome one plus NM |
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| 13:24.24 | liable | hark: you mentioned it was a seperate app earlier |
| 13:24.43 | hark | the gnome one is network-admin |
| 13:24.58 | FelipeFerreira | TheWanderer, valdyn:::: Thank you.... A using alien convet .rpm to .deb.... |
| 13:25.42 | Stanlin | hark: with networkadmin i can see the list of access points |
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| 13:25.58 | liable | Stanlin: so, the little icon at the bottom of the screen.. if you right click it, you dont see wireless networks? |
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| 13:27.47 | Stanlin | liable: just showing , enable network, enable wireless, on the nm-applet |
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| 13:28.36 | jackweb | Hello. SQLite doesn't run on my computer (PHP 5.2.6-0.1~lenny1). |
| 13:29.06 | jackweb | I've always thought it is not possible. |
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| 13:29.39 | jackweb | As I think, SQLite in PHP 5.x is always on. |
| 13:29.44 | rvsjoen | sqlite doesnt run or you cant make it work through php ? |
| 13:30.01 | jackweb | rvsjoen: function sqlite_open doesn't exist |
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| 13:30.31 | TheWanderer | jackweb: php5-sqlite |
| 13:30.35 | rvsjoen | installed php5-sqlite ? |
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| 13:31.30 | jackweb | no package named 'php5-sqlite' |
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| 13:31.52 | jackweb | (in my repository) |
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| 13:32.24 | TheWanderer | jackweb: it is in etch, lenny and sid. what repository are you using? tried to update package lists? |
| 13:32.47 | jackweb | uhm.. |
| 13:33.13 | liable | Stanlin: so, enable wireless. it doesnt let you? |
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| 13:33.33 | jackweb | doesn't use wireless |
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| 13:35.22 | heroxbd | What is the suggested way to send a file back to local when I ssh into a remote machine? |
| 13:35.26 | jackweb | TheWanderer: aptitude update has solved the problem |
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| 13:35.39 | liable | heroxbd: use scp |
| 13:35.49 | jackweb | TheWanderer: thanks! :)\ |
| 13:35.59 | doudou | Hi, today i wanted to install a plugin in my iceaweasel i have etch |
| 13:36.01 | TheWanderer | jackweb: you're welcome |
| 13:36.01 | __Ali__ | what's the build directory called in debian/rules? $(CURDIR) doesn't work? |
| 13:36.07 | heroxbd | I used zssh, which uses zmodem. But the problem is it is not supported inside GNUscreen |
| 13:36.16 | doudou | the plug in page proposed me to download firefox 3 |
| 13:36.24 | doudou | i downloaded firefox 3 |
| 13:36.33 | doudou | tried to run it |
| 13:36.35 | jackweb | thank you too for your good intentions ;) |
| 13:36.41 | doudou | it ask gtk 2.10 |
| 13:36.45 | Stanlin | liable: no, seems nmapplet cant detect any wireless network |
| 13:36.55 | doudou | i download gtk2.10 confiugure make make install |
| 13:37.07 | __Ali__ | is there a specific irc channel for debian package help? |
| 13:37.08 | doudou | but firefox still does not want to run |
| 13:37.18 | TheWanderer | doudou: I think IceWeasel 3.0 is available in Debian repos... |
| 13:37.19 | heroxbd | liable: I will have to open another terminal to scp from remote and type the fill path. Can I reuse the infomation of my ssh session when copying files? |
| 13:37.33 | doudou | it is the first time i have been able to copile something with this etch |
| 13:37.57 | TheWanderer | heroxbd: there is a feature called Master Socket in ssh which lets you re-use existing connection |
| 13:37.58 | liable | Stanlin: well, you need to go into the gnome menu and disable the gnome one. you seem to have two network managers running. you need to kill the one thats not NM |
| 13:38.26 | doudou | the debian repo ... yes yes, never try to think, why cant i do the way i follow? why there is no sources for firefox? |
| 13:38.43 | liable | heroxbd: sure, just copy it |
| 13:38.53 | TheWanderer | doudou: IceWeasel is the Debian's Firefox and it works.. |
| 13:39.25 | doudou | i found disgusting loosing my time to learn something i wont be able to master: windows, i dont want to strart the same story with debian |
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| 13:39.56 | doudou | Iceweasel use firefox plugins ... |
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| 13:41.12 | doudou | i want to be able to compile if i want, i dont want to loose time to finish obliged to ask here all the time for something or something else, i want to learn to be able to do thing myself, first thing is compile programms |
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| 13:41.49 | Stanlin | liable: no luck :( |
| 13:42.08 | TheWanderer | doudou: then you should think about setting up a proper development environment... a chroot to play around with would help. And be ready to debug and strace things. |
| 13:42.10 | liable | doudou: debian has iceweasel, so you wont find firefox sources in debian repos. |
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| 13:42.48 | liable | Stanlin: jeez, this shouldnt be so hard.. paste your 'ps ax' output. |
| 13:43.09 | doudou | i understand that each man making a distro dreams to became bill gates, all i want is a distro that is faireeenought to let ppl choose what they want , compile or download from repository |
| 13:43.41 | doudou | well, how can i know gtk version installed? |
| 13:43.45 | Stanlin | liable: http://pastebin.com/m6ec77e6 the supplicant config |
| 13:43.57 | liable | doudou: you can compile firefox, go to mozilla.org and get it |
| 13:44.03 | doudou | why when i compile gtk 2.10 and made install it |
| 13:44.10 | liable | Stanlin: no, i said your ps ax output |
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| 13:44.40 | doudou | i went to mozilla org, there is no configure file, seems it is exe file |
| 13:44.45 | TheWanderer | doudou: Compiling and installing gtk 2.10 on a system where some GTK version is already present is not quite safe |
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| 13:44.59 | hark | Stanlin: disable the wireless interface in the other network manager |
| 13:45.22 | Stanlin | hark it is disabled |
| 13:45.32 | Stanlin | liable: http://pastebin.com/m6985f1da |
| 13:45.48 | liable | doudou: uh, you want the linux version. if you dont know the difference between an exe and source, you shouldnt be compiling anything |
| 13:45.52 | doudou | yes, it is not quite safe ... what can i do else? do gtk people will never stop making new versions and letting this unsafe situation going on? |
| 13:46.11 | jelly | unsafe situation? |
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| 13:46.39 | doudou | i told exe to make you understand, i download firefox, untar it, and only go a firefox programm, not sources to compile |
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| 13:47.14 | jelly | doudou: what is your native language, btw? |
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| 13:47.21 | TheWanderer | doudou: you can find Firefox sources in http://mirror3.mirrors.tds.net/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.5/ - check out the source/ directory. And dependency management and linking to proper library versions is what GNU/Linux distributions are about. |
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| 13:47.30 | doudou | do some day, some body will propose to stop this mess with lib versions? |
| 13:47.52 | suteri_ | Hi all. |
| 13:48.13 | valdyn | doudou: uh? this is nothing new or exciting, its there for decades, its solved decently in debian |
| 13:48.21 | alcohol | doudou: dude, just download windows xp and stop whining. :< |
| 13:48.26 | doudou | why should i trust a mirors.tds.net ??? what is the tds? all this is not sane |
| 13:48.30 | themill | doudou: yes! we should all stop writing new features into the libraries! Permanent feature freeze for everyone! yay! Then we can all feel like we're using Windoze together! |
| 13:48.56 | alcohol | doudou: why is your internet connection on!? this is not sane/safe! |
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| 13:49.07 | asg | themill: you could always just install OS/2 |
| 13:49.16 | themill | even better |
| 13:49.16 | doudou | valdyn, it is not solved, it is handled nicely with debian, at the price of being very dependent of this channel |
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| 13:49.27 | suteri_ | I'm trying to get printing to work in debian/etch from a win32 app run with wine. It seems that the program tries to use lpr to print, while I have a working cups system set up. Is there a way to make lpr prints go to cups instead? |
| 13:49.32 | liable | Stanlin: i dont see any process running other than network-manager. |
| 13:49.52 | themill | doudou: you're not dependent on this channel. Most people manage to use apt-get quite successfully. |
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| 13:50.29 | asg | suteri_: install the cups-bsd package |
| 13:50.30 | doudou | themill, seems that some distro should tell what are the steps that libs can do, every libs change all the time, that should be donbe steps by steps |
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| 13:50.41 | liable | Stanlin: reboot and dont start anything. just use whatever gnome thing there is |
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| 13:50.51 | suteri_ | asg: Ok, will try that. THanks. :) |
| 13:50.59 | Stanlin | liable: ok |
| 13:51.01 | valdyn | doudou: thats done, youre just talking |
| 13:51.07 | valdyn | doudou: and its been done for decades |
| 13:51.16 | alcohol | I setup an entire lamp server with git and stuff, by only using apt-get and google |
| 13:51.19 | valdyn | doudou: you should have come up with that new idea in the 60ies |
| 13:51.20 | alcohol | and I'm a total newb |
| 13:51.20 | alcohol | :< |
| 13:51.25 | alcohol | so debian ftw <3 |
| 13:51.51 | liable | Stanlin: paste your ps output again after reboot |
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| 13:52.13 | themill | valdyn: to be fair, have you tried installing ff3 in etch? That's the library problem he's talking about. |
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| 13:52.40 | doudou | i promess there is no improovement done changing all the time |
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| 13:52.45 | valdyn | themill: no i havent, i know that it doesnt just work |
| 13:52.53 | themill | valdyn: indeed :) |
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| 13:52.56 | Stanlin | St |
| 13:53.02 | Stanlin | liable: http://pastebin.com/m4aa6c01e |
| 13:53.23 | redguy_work | hmm, still fighting with that serial console. I can access grub and I can see kernel messages after pivot_root and log in to getty running on ttyS0, but I cant enter the luks password required for rootfs when kernel is in initramfs. Any hints on what to look for? maybe the device is missing from initramfs? |
| 13:53.24 | themill | doudou: debian doesn't change all the time. (that's actually your problem) |
| 13:53.35 | jelly | Hi! Is there an inotify-based locate/updatedb replacement that updates the db continuously? |
| 13:53.46 | valdyn | themill: i know no details, i would think that the change in gtk that happened is a bug they cant fix, but whatever, its not like he understand the problem or that stuff like that happens all the time |
| 13:53.57 | liable | Stanlin: thats after reboot? that was awefull fast |
| 13:53.58 | doudou | main reason to change is: it was not very well done, we fix bug, but stopping improving will also stop bugs |
| 13:54.28 | jelly | doudou: do you have a debian support question? |
| 13:54.29 | themill | jelly: no... not that I know of. That would be too fragile, considering that inotify stuff seems to fall over pretty often. mlocate is pretty damned fast though |
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| 13:55.06 | TheWanderer | doudou: Development must go on, otherwise we would not see any new features. Ever. And if you want to stick to a particular version, Debian Stable is for you. Or some customly compiled distro (check out LFS!). |
| 13:55.11 | doudou | jelly, yes i have a simple one, why when i compile and install gtk2.10 as firefox3 asked it does not work |
| 13:55.20 | suteri_ | asg: It works now, thanks alot! :) |
| 13:55.34 | themill | doudou: you've been told the answer to that in a dozen different ways. |
| 13:55.36 | jelly | doudou: firefox3 isn't available in Debian. |
| 13:55.53 | TheWanderer | aww c'mon. IceWeasel3 is. |
| 13:56.00 | themill | TheWanderer: not in etch |
| 13:56.06 | jelly | TheWanderer: that's not Firefox. |
| 13:56.19 | TheWanderer | jelly-home: does the logo make a difference? :P |
| 13:56.20 | doudou | i liked lfs, but the man who did it was a crazy nazy wanting people to type by hand thousthousands of command untill they bug |
| 13:56.29 | themill | TheWanderer: he's asking about etch, though. |
| 13:56.36 | valdyn | doudou: thats the point of lfs |
| 13:56.43 | valdyn | doudou: he just gives you documentation |
| 13:56.44 | jelly | TheWanderer: for it being supported no this channel? yes. |
| 13:56.50 | Stanlin | liable: reobooting |
| 13:56.53 | jelly | s/no/on/ |
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| 13:56.55 | doudou | jelly, dont ask me questions if you dont want to answer, my question was clear |
| 13:57.45 | themill | doudou: how about you accept that firefox 3 in etch is not do-able and that if you want the latest and greatest you either start using lenny or you find a distro that is better suited to your desires. |
| 13:57.54 | TheWanderer | doudou: If you need bleeding-edge software, use unstable. If you value stability more, stick with stable. Compiling any new version kindof defeats the purpose of Stable... |
| 13:57.56 | doudou | lfs is crazy, build lfs with a makefile ok, follow the fucking book is crazy thing |
| 13:58.05 | jelly | doudou: I wanted to know what the fuss was all about. _You're_ the one asking for help. |
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| 13:58.36 | doudou | i dont want bleeding-edge software, i want to have a building tool to compile what i may need |
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| 13:59.06 | theholyduck | doudou, make and checkinstall? |
| 13:59.15 | theholyduck | thats how i make my custom .debs |
| 13:59.15 | themill | doudou: we're not stopping you from building what you want, but it's also not our job to help you change debian into LFS. |
| 13:59.42 | doudou | jelly, i stop beleiving that the ones who support such a mess could help anybody else thatn themselves |
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| 14:00.16 | themill | doudou: debian's not a mess. Your debian box may be a mess because of what you've done to it though. But that's not our problem. |
| 14:00.32 | jelly | doudou: sorry, I'm havig trouble parsing your English |
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| 14:00.52 | doudou | themill, do you know you, why the install of gtk2.10 did not work? ./configure, make, su make installl. why etch cant wo work with this? |
| 14:01.03 | valdyn | doudou: it works fine |
| 14:01.17 | valdyn | doudou: you did something wrong, like forgetting to read which depends gtk2.10 has |
| 14:01.23 | theholyduck | doudou, you may wanna add a --prefix to that configure? |
| 14:01.33 | doudou | jelly, to be simple: to help some big sort is needed, the mess is too big |
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| 14:01.43 | Fox_1_ | Hi all |
| 14:01.44 | themill | !fr |
| 14:01.44 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:01.59 | doudou | valdyn, but configure script is not supposed to check that point? |
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| 14:02.04 | themill | doudou: would you find it easier to seek support in a different language? |
| 14:02.23 | valdyn | doudou: software is *never* perfect, nor are configure scripts |
| 14:02.33 | jelly | lets someone else teach doudou about /usr/local and misc. ld.so env. variables like LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 14:02.49 | themill | and randomly installing gtk2.10 over the top of an etch machine has got to be trouble |
| 14:02.50 | Fox_1_ | people I have seen that someone configured his Ubuntu's tool bar as Mac OS X tool bar. how it is possible? |
| 14:02.53 | theholyduck | jelly, i dont feel like teaching him either :P |
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| 14:03.00 | jelly | themill: not necessarily. |
| 14:03.05 | valdyn | Fox_1_: different toolbar? |
| 14:03.06 | paullll | Was wondering about this bug with laptops and hard drives that affected Ubuntu about how it shortens hard disk lifes by constantly reading/writing...Does Debian do this by default? |
| 14:03.21 | valdyn | Fox_1_: theres a few max os x look-alike toolsbars |
| 14:03.23 | theholyduck | paullll, all distros do. but you can remove that :P |
| 14:03.26 | jelly | themill: well, unless Debian has stupid ld.so.config including /usr/local/lib by default |
| 14:03.40 | Fox_1_ | I'm talking about 3D tool bar |
| 14:03.43 | theholyduck | noatime, reconfigure firefox, disable or reduce logging |
| 14:03.58 | valdyn | Fox_1_: thats not its name =/ |
| 14:04.01 | paullll | theholyduck: do you have a link about how to do it in Debian by chance? |
| 14:04.10 | paullll | disable it |
| 14:04.12 | themill | jelly: there's got to be a good chance that the command he gave was going to install to / not /usr/local though |
| 14:04.13 | theholyduck | paullll, i dont think anyone wrote something like that. |
| 14:04.25 | theholyduck | paullll, but take a look at like the configuration page for a netbook |
| 14:04.26 | liable | Stanlin: ?? i must head off soon. |
| 14:04.31 | theholyduck | debian has a acer aspire one page somewhere |
| 14:04.33 | valdyn | Fox_1_: did you try google? |
| 14:04.42 | paullll | Isn't it to do with hdparm or apm or something along those linesS? |
| 14:04.45 | theholyduck | the same tricks for disabling read and write apply to any hardrive |
| 14:04.51 | theholyduck | paullll, not really. |
| 14:04.56 | doudou | jelly yes very funny... some more oddities, but all is normal, it is same story for 20 years, why to change what is so stupid |
| 14:04.57 | theholyduck | those just spin the drive up or not :P |
| 14:05.01 | Fox_1_ | yeah, I have tried the google, nothing. |
| 14:05.02 | liable | no, it was a ubuntu specific bug |
| 14:05.05 | Stanlin | liable: http://pastebin.com/m5c00e649 after reboot |
| 14:05.14 | valdyn | Fox_1_: http://www.howtoforge.com/mac4lin_make_linux_look_like_a_mac |
| 14:05.21 | theholyduck | liable, well still. noatime, fixing firefox, and what not makes your hardrive life longer |
| 14:05.33 | theholyduck | since you have less read and write. |
| 14:05.41 | valdyn | Fox_1_: i see a toolbar there, is that what you wanted? |
| 14:05.43 | jelly | doudou: what's funny? |
| 14:05.44 | themill | theholyduck: I think he's talking about the Start_Stop_Count SMART thing |
| 14:06.05 | Stanlin | liable: this is the screenshot http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4819/nowifiry4.png |
| 14:06.09 | liable | Stanlin: ok, so it is NM that gnome uses. so you cant click your access point and connect? |
| 14:06.11 | doudou | what is clear to me: if a student have presented the mess of nowadays lib. we will have been fired |
| 14:06.17 | paullll | it was a big discussion about it some time ago.. |
| 14:06.29 | jelly | doudou: basically, you need to make sure your library is NOT installed in /usr/lib, but in a separate directory, usually done with --prefix option for configure script. Then you use LD_LIBRARY_PATH or LD_PRELOAD to make a single app use your library instead of the system one |
| 14:06.38 | themill | !dbugs 448673 |
| 14:06.41 | dpkg | DONE:#448673:I[acpi-support] acpi-support: excessively load cycles some hard drives (fixed); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:00:02 UTC [448710] |
| 14:06.41 | Stanlin | liable: yeah, this is the wifi list of networks http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4819/nowifiry4.png i cant add or select nothing |
| 14:06.48 | themill | paullll: ^^ that one? |
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| 14:06.52 | Fox_1_ | valdyn: good tutorial, thanks |
| 14:06.54 | paullll | theholyduck: actually here is the slashdot link about it... http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/30/1742258 |
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| 14:07.15 | paullll | themill: that could be it |
| 14:07.23 | liable | Stanlin: same link |
| 14:07.48 | theholyduck | paullll, well whatever. if you wanna increase hardrive life. my tips still stand |
| 14:08.15 | Stanlin | liable: yeah, thats the wireless manager |
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| 14:08.27 | doudou | jelly, maybe or maybe not, and if it is installed over the precedent one, i wont care if i broke something i will never use |
| 14:08.47 | liable | Stanlin: really, you are missing something. just take some time to actually click everything it has. |
| 14:08.51 | paullll | theholyduck: this is the page you are referring to? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
| 14:08.57 | themill | paullll: the final conclusion was that Load_Cycle_Count was the wrong thing to be looking at anyway, it should be Start_Stop_Count that you're looking at |
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| 14:09.24 | liable | Stanlin: you are missing something simple, i am convinced. seeing as i dont use gnome, i cant help |
| 14:10.08 | valdyn | Stanlin: you cannot use netowork manager at the same time as that interface is in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:10.08 | doudou | many pppl should fire themself will be simplier for others, it is a long time to wait for the killer distro |
| 14:10.16 | valdyn | Stanlin: that is *also* in the README |
| 14:10.17 | liable | valdyn: its not |
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| 14:10.31 | valdyn | liable: uh? |
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| 14:10.44 | liable | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m67130430 |
| 14:10.55 | naiv | do you know how to list all computers on local network ? |
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| 14:10.59 | valdyn | liable: ah |
| 14:11.10 | Stanlin | valdyn: we already took care of that, nothing is in interfaces file |
| 14:11.24 | valdyn | Stanlin: ok |
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| 14:11.38 | cusco | hello folks |
| 14:11.46 | cusco | Im right now onthe debian installer and introuble |
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| 14:12.32 | valdyn | Stanlin: you are in the netdev group? |
| 14:12.32 | Jork | hello guys |
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| 14:12.37 | cusco | my disk has windows vista on it, and it has a GUID Partition Table |
| 14:12.43 | beefsalad | valdyn: dunno if i told you, but i had to use the latest daily build to get it installed. thanks again for pointing me in the right direction |
| 14:12.50 | liable | valdyn: yes, been there too |
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| 14:12.54 | valdyn | Stanlin: i dont remember which tool that is you are using |
| 14:13.02 | Jork | does enyone know when will be released official version of lenny? |
| 14:13.03 | Stanlin | valdyn: yes |
| 14:13.04 | jelly | doudou: that leaves you with a broken system though, not etch any more. |
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| 14:13.15 | Stanlin | valdyn: nm-applet |
| 14:13.42 | asg | naiv: nmap |
| 14:13.47 | cusco | debian installer - when it comes to detect disks it does't detect the windwos vista partition and I don't wnat to erase it |
| 14:13.52 | liable | Stanlin: really, i think you are missing some menu item |
| 14:14.33 | cusco | I never used parted before |
| 14:14.33 | Stanlin | liable: menu item? |
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| 14:14.36 | naiv | asg thanks =) |
| 14:14.37 | valdyn | Stanlin: debugging gui over irc sucks.. can you shoot the mouse rightclick and leftclick menus of that applet too? |
| 14:14.39 | beefsalad | cusco: it doesnt see the partition table at all? |
| 14:14.47 | hark | Stanlin: ok, let's go through this again, otherwise it's better to just manually configure your interface then |
| 14:15.21 | cusco | beefsalad: no, says it has free space |
| 14:15.27 | hark | Stanlin: instead of disabling the interface in the gnome tool, enable it and make sure it is active |
| 14:15.34 | cusco | beefsalad: the disk has vista on it with a GPT |
| 14:15.40 | liable | hark: the gnome tool is NM |
| 14:15.49 | hark | liable: the other one |
| 14:15.53 | liable | no |
| 14:16.06 | liable | there isnt another one afaict. |
| 14:16.09 | beefsalad | cusco: vista is a new beast to me, but all of the installers i used last night saw my vista drive |
| 14:16.29 | liable | hark: look at the previous pates of ps output |
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| 14:16.54 | Jork | vista is lame :) |
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| 14:16.57 | beefsalad | cusco: see if fdisk or cfdisk is available via console |
| 14:17.00 | cusco | beefsalad: fdisk states taht it doesn't support GPT to use parted instead |
| 14:17.13 | doudou | How can i know what version of gtk i have installed? |
| 14:17.20 | beefsalad | Jork: yeah, but its the only supported os for my laptop |
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| 14:17.36 | Jork | :D |
| 14:17.36 | etech | hello |
| 14:17.42 | Jork | try ubuntu |
| 14:17.51 | Stanlin | hark: ok enabling wifi in the gnome tool |
| 14:17.52 | cusco | don't |
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| 14:17.55 | etech | is it ok to install the nvidia bin drivers with the nvidia installer? |
| 14:17.56 | beefsalad | oh lol, well i wont be any help with parted |
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| 14:18.22 | cusco | I am feeling lost right now |
| 14:18.33 | x1250_ | hey guys, what should I do to enable this wifi card? (just a basic idea, so to google something useful) |
| 14:18.34 | x1250_ | [ 9060.619318] iwl3945: iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode firmware file req failed: Reason -2 |
| 14:18.36 | hark | liable: it seems to be affecting nm somehow... |
| 14:18.53 | hark | x1250_: install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 14:19.00 | liable | hark: shouldnt it have a process though? |
| 14:19.03 | x1250_ | hark, ok thanks |
| 14:20.51 | hark | liable: not sure |
| 14:21.20 | Stanlin | hark: in the gnome tool, the wireless more is in roaming mode enabled |
| 14:21.32 | hark | Stanlin: that's fine |
| 14:22.06 | hark | Stanlin: add the network monitor applet to your panel |
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| 14:22.47 | redguy_work | I want to load the serio_raw module early in the boot process (in fact as early as possible). Is adding a simple insmod serio_raw to a script in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top and regenerating the initramfs enough? |
| 14:22.48 | Stanlin | hark: its enabled hours ago... |
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| 14:23.00 | liable | this is stupid. i install NM in kde, and it just works. why is gnome so retarded? |
| 14:23.06 | Stanlin | hark: nm-applet |
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| 14:23.36 | Stanlin | liable: is kde faster than gnome? |
| 14:23.45 | hark | Stanlin: the other one -- right click and add to panel "Network Monitor" |
| 14:23.48 | liable | Stanlin: no, its just as bloated |
| 14:23.54 | Jork | gnome is faster |
| 14:23.55 | liable | probably more so |
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| 14:24.26 | x1250_ | hark, thanks it worked :) |
| 14:24.38 | hark | Stanlin: you should then have two network applets in your panel |
| 14:25.18 | cusco | what do I do? |
| 14:25.30 | Stanlin | hark: where is that network monitor? |
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| 14:26.12 | hark | Stanlin: right click the gnome panel and select add to panel. Pick "Network Monitor" |
| 14:27.19 | Stanlin | hark: ahhh |
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| 14:27.23 | Stanlin | hark: got it |
| 14:27.33 | Stanlin | hark: sorry, i forgot to use gnome |
| 14:27.58 | Stanlin | hark: in the applet properties, i have only eth0 and lo |
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| 14:28.50 | hark | Stanlin: hmm, does /sbin/iwconfig show ath0? |
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| 14:35.02 | Stanlin | hark: yes it shows |
| 14:35.32 | Stanlin | hark: but the wifi is disabled |
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| 14:36.35 | Stanlin | hark: i cant enable from netwqork manager because doesnt support WPA |
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| 14:37.04 | dreamer | hi all, I'm having trouble getting X to display at resolutions higher than 800x600 on my Radeon Mobility M6 LY |
| 14:37.33 | liable | Stanlin: are you sure wpasupplicant is installed? |
| 14:37.40 | dreamer | I'm using driver radeon and forced 1024x768 in xorg.conf |
| 14:37.43 | Stanlin | liable: yes |
| 14:37.50 | dreamer | but still X uses 800x600 |
| 14:38.00 | doudou | I did not explain my ideas about steps: suppose there is debian10 release, and debian12 release, if you make a programm using lib22, you check debian10 and see it is lib20, you check debian12 and see it is lib24, so you can choose to release for debian10 with lib20 or work to integrate lib24 and release for debian12, but stop everybody using his own step all the time your programm with lib2 |
| 14:38.06 | hark | Stanlin: nm |
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| 14:38.36 | Stanlin | hark: liable: wpa_supplicant -iath0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 14:38.36 | Stanlin | Line 7: WPAPSK accepted for key management, but no PSK configured. Line 7: failed to parse network block.Failed to read or parse configuration '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'. |
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| 14:39.14 | liable | Stanlin: thats because your wpasupp conf has a wep key. |
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| 14:39.41 | doudou | there should be platforms for everybody to developp, not each one using its own system and releasing programs for his own system. Does this already done? |
| 14:39.47 | liable | Stanlin: a passphrase needs to be in quotes, or if its hex, it has to be 64 chars long |
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| 14:40.28 | hark | Stanlin: you used wpa_passphrase? |
| 14:40.52 | liable | Stanlin: gimme a sec, working on working files for you |
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| 14:41.47 | hark | liable: i installed gnome-core and network-manager to check here. NetworkManager will override it as long as the interface is not in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:41.59 | doudou | and i did not found a way to see what version f gtk i have... gtk made about 100 versions of its libs, but there is no tool to see which one it is? |
| 14:42.05 | hark | liable: seems to be some other issue |
| 14:42.08 | Stanlin | liable: do you want to VNC this pc? |
| 14:42.12 | x1250_ | why does kdebase-runtime-data include /usr/share/applications/kde4/knetattach.desktop ? kdebase-bin has /usr/bin/knetattach, which I don't have installed, but yakuake has a dependency on kdebase-runtime, which depends on kdebase-runtime-data. The result is that I have /usr/share/applications/kde4/knetattach.desktop out there, but no binary. Not that important, but it shouldn't be this way. |
| 14:42.19 | Stanlin | test |
| 14:42.21 | liable | hark: i know, i have no idea what his problem is. it makes no sense to me |
| 14:42.36 | Stanlin | pong |
| 14:42.39 | liable | Stanlin: nope, http://pastebin.com/m4cb09b22 |
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| 14:43.10 | turkjeus | Hi guys, I am trying to install debian etch but when it will format the hd it says <1>FIxing recursive fault but reboot is needed? |
| 14:43.19 | turkjeus | I change the hd but still get the same error |
| 14:43.35 | themill | x1250_: try asking in #debian-kde |
| 14:43.46 | x1250_ | themill, ok, thanks |
| 14:43.50 | doudou | turkjeus, you should understand it this way : it is your last chance |
| 14:44.16 | turkjeus | doudou, ? |
| 14:44.26 | junix | hey guys io am running ntop on my system here, i need to be able to access it from the whole network and its not allowing me too, i am using apache2, any suggestions?? |
| 14:44.31 | themill | turkjeus: ignore doudou |
| 14:44.40 | jelly | turkjeus: can you provide a screenshot of dmesg output? |
| 14:44.54 | turkjeus | it is during the installation |
| 14:44.56 | turkjeus | new hd |
| 14:45.00 | turkjeus | no system on it |
| 14:45.26 | jelly | turkjeus: do you have a camera and anothe machine from which to upload the screenshot? |
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| 14:45.58 | doudou | turkjeus, you should be warned, this system is made in a way that you will only be able to use it, never control it, and be prepared to comme to ask here |
| 14:46.07 | jelly | doudou: please stop |
| 14:46.15 | Stanlin | liable: the paraphrase must be 64 chars large? any string? |
| 14:46.30 | doudou | jelly, well, it is a channel to help others, is not it? |
| 14:46.43 | liable | Stanlin: a string in quotes, if its hex, it must be 64 chars without quotes |
| 14:46.44 | x1250_ | is there any way to get all recommends from a package, without using aptitude show and looking? |
| 14:46.46 | doudou | JELLY, I HONESTLY TRY TO HELP FELLOWS |
| 14:46.56 | liable | Stanlin: i take it you have a string passphrase? |
| 14:47.03 | liable | doudou: shuddup |
| 14:47.21 | themill | doudou: you're not helping. You look a look like you're here just to make trouble. |
| 14:47.42 | jelly | doudou: no, you're spewing generic unwarranted warnings instead of helping with the actual problem a user has |
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| 14:48.28 | doudou | excuse me, i m speaking after very heavy tests. you could not simply ignore that facts |
| 14:48.31 | liable | Stanlin: if its a string (passphrase) it can be any length up to 63 chars |
| 14:48.34 | Stanlin | liable: it is just a hex value of 10 digits |
| 14:48.39 | liable | Stanlin: do you understand? |
| 14:48.41 | doudou | but i agree others are worse |
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| 14:49.01 | turkjeus | jelly, I try taking a picture but you cannot read so well from it |
| 14:49.07 | jelly | turkjeus: this is a kernel warning, likely related to your kernel not having very good support for your controllers. |
| 14:49.23 | turkjeus | I restart the installation and now hang on this |
| 14:49.29 | jelly | turkjeus: does it hang? |
| 14:49.58 | jelly | turkjeus: which image are you installing from (which version of debian)? |
| 14:50.04 | liable | Stanlin: a length of 10 hex digets is usually a 128bit wep key |
| 14:50.15 | turkjeus | kernel: EIP [<C01A0055>] generic_make_request+0x19/0x1a0 SS:W0068:dfcfdd88 |
| 14:50.25 | turkjeus | jelly, debian 4.0 r6 |
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| 14:51.08 | doudou | is there a more sane distro? i mean a distro where they are conscious of the weakness and where they try to improve? i will take all name into consideration |
| 14:51.57 | liable | doudou: please just stop it before you get banned |
| 14:53.29 | doudou | liable : try ignore doudou |
| 14:53.54 | liable | doudou: that doesnt help the fact that you are annoying and offtopic |
| 14:54.26 | doudou | but you can ban if it is all the answer you can give to things, i will take it like a response of truth |
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| 14:54.28 | jelly | !ops doudou bashful and interfering |
| 14:54.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: doudou bashful and interfering |
| 14:55.01 | doudou | --disconnected from server-- |
| 14:55.09 | jelly | doudou: I will take it as whining and unwillingness to stick to solving the problem from your side. |
| 14:55.17 | themill | doudou: you haven't been prepared to listen to anything we've said. Please be silent or move on. Try ##linux or #defocus. |
| 14:55.33 | Stanlin | test |
| 14:55.33 | doudou | did you answer my question about steps, is it done? is it bad, why? |
| 14:55.54 | Stanlin | liable: yes im using a 128 bit wep key |
| 14:56.03 | liable | Stanlin: dude, ffs |
| 14:56.05 | Stanlin | liable: http://pastebin.com/m62c679b4 when i restart the network |
| 14:56.39 | doudou | jelly, i know you wont solve the problem of gtk, because you did some dirty install job, you wont admit |
| 14:57.03 | themill | doudou: you are the one who did the dirty install job and made a mess of your machine. Now please move on. |
| 14:57.17 | doudou | i read the INTALL of GTK, i did all the step they explain, why it does not work is because of etch |
| 14:57.30 | DogWater | anyone here autoinstall fbsd? |
| 14:57.34 | abrotman | doudou: stop, FF3 is not supported on etch, end of discussion |
| 14:57.35 | junix | hey guys io am running ntop on my system here, i need to be able to access it from the whole network and its not allowing me too, i am using apache2, any suggestions?? |
| 14:57.36 | DogWater | woops! wrong channel hahaha |
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| 14:57.42 | doudou | themill aptitude update, aptitude upgrade should repair? |
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| 14:58.10 | Stanlin | liable: psk= wep key right ? |
| 14:58.17 | liable | Stanlin: no |
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| 14:58.35 | Stanlin | liable: what should i fill on psk? |
| 14:59.06 | liable | Stanlin: if you are using wep key, thats what the network manager was asking for |
| 14:59.07 | valdyn | junix: what is that ntop you are talking about? |
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| 14:59.37 | liable | Stanlin: you complained about it asking for a wep key, but said you have wpa security? what gives? |
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| 14:59.58 | Stanlin | liable: the network manager ask for WEP , imm using WPA |
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| 15:00.25 | liable | Stanlin: paste your interfaces file |
| 15:00.36 | Stanlin | liable: im using WPA |
| 15:01.21 | Stanlin | liable: http://pastebin.com/m2d660281 |
| 15:01.23 | doudou | abrotman, i dont care if i can apt-get ff3, i want to know why gtk install does not work, and with the program i downloaded name firefox does not detect the gtk 2.10 |
| 15:01.42 | jelly | doudou: sorry, I'm ignoring you from now on. You don't seem keen on following instructions or being polite. |
| 15:02.03 | Doonz | hey guys. i was using screen in my shell i was brosing the net using elinks. it crashed on me so i killed the window it was in. now when i lauch screen it starts up and then when it asks you to hit enter and returns you to the shell it gives me a whole bunch of errors and doesnt work. any ideas? |
| 15:02.08 | Doonz | http://pastebin.com/m3ca43b27 <-- errors |
| 15:02.24 | Stanlin | liable: do you want to vnc this pc? |
| 15:02.37 | doudou | and more generaly why what i feel like a normal distro, is not able to work normaly, i cant answer this question, you can if you built it |
| 15:02.39 | themill | doudou: gtk 2.10 is also not supported in etch. You just don't get it, do you? |
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| 15:03.01 | liable | Stanlin: nope, dont offer that to people you dont know. |
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| 15:03.17 | doudou | and as it is not possible to find explanations about debian anymore because all doc is a mess |
| 15:03.33 | Maulkin | sighs |
| 15:03.44 | jelly | turkjeus: I'd try the "etch'n'half" installer with an updated kernel: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf |
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| 15:03.48 | themill | doudou: From what we've seen here, I suspect this has more to do with your written comprehension skills. |
| 15:03.58 | doudou | themill, if i am able to configure and make the sources of gtk2.10 it should install, if not the reason should be explained somewhere |
| 15:04.01 | liable | hsyou miss a line "iface ath0 inet manual" |
| 15:04.03 | turkjeus | jelly Iok |
| 15:04.06 | jelly | !tell turkjeus -about etchnhalf |
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| 15:04.22 | liable | Stanlin: you miss a line "iface ath0 inet manual" |
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| 15:04.36 | Stanlin | liable: what this means: http://pastebin.com/m4d0fe467 |
| 15:04.38 | doudou | task is simple, tar xvf gtk, read INSTALL, ./configure make make install |
| 15:04.47 | themill | doudou: no distribution is designed for you to do such things to it. If you really want gtk 2.10, why don't you run lenny? |
| 15:05.03 | themill | see, it's at the "read" stage you're failing. |
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| 15:05.38 | liable | Stanlin: fix your interfaces file with the line i said above, and it should *hopefully* work |
| 15:06.03 | liable | that wpasupp output looks good |
| 15:06.30 | doudou | themill this distro have all tools necessary to compile programms, strangely i succed in compiling this one, normaly it is impossible, i want to read the reason of this |
| 15:06.49 | zleap | hi |
| 15:07.00 | doudou | i cant understand why if i have the needed tools i am not able to compile and run |
| 15:07.04 | zleap | will ntp auto configure if installed with synaptic |
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| 15:07.16 | asg | doudou: install in /usr/local ; man ldconfig |
| 15:07.29 | doudou | is there something strange in this distro, tell me where it is explained |
| 15:07.49 | themill | doudou: you're creating a mixture of etch's gtk with your home brew gtk. There's nothing strange with debian. This is truly a case of PEBKAC. |
| 15:08.29 | Stanlin | liable: it looks like this now http://pastebin.com/m2331bbba |
| 15:08.30 | asg | doudou: nothing strange, just that non-distro files go in /usr/local. Unless you fix your ld.so.conf to also look for local libraries in /usr/local/lib, your non-debian binary download of ff3 won't work. This is the same on all distros and all Unices |
| 15:08.54 | doudou | asg, thanks |
| 15:08.58 | themill | asg: you're assuming he managed to install gtk into /usr/local, of course |
| 15:09.04 | valdyn | junix: ntop allows remote access by default. You have a configuration issue where you changed defaults or a firewall in between |
| 15:09.15 | themill | doudou: jelly told you that 2 hours ago. |
| 15:09.18 | asg | themill: unless the ./configure was hideously broken or futzed with ;) |
| 15:09.19 | doudou | last question, how can i learn this knowledge? |
| 15:09.35 | valdyn | doudou: read a book |
| 15:09.35 | doudou | themill, tell is not explain |
| 15:09.47 | doudou | what book |
| 15:10.09 | valdyn | doudou: no idea, query amazon |
| 15:10.14 | asg | doudou: The Debian System (Martin Krafft - No Starch Press) |
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| 15:10.20 | themill | asg: gtk defaults to /usr/local? Just enough things don't do that to make it a problem... |
| 15:10.21 | asg | doudou: someone outdated but will cover all of this |
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| 15:11.04 | doudou | good, thanks, i will try |
| 15:11.23 | asg | themill: or just err on the side of caution and use --prefix=/usr/local |
| 15:11.41 | liable | Stanlin: looks ok. |
| 15:11.43 | themill | asg: see, you're assuming a lot about the user at this stage... |
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| 15:12.39 | asg | themill: users who compile their own code should know this; I assume this fact otherwise they have no business doing it |
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| 15:12.58 | themill | asg: this has been pointed out in this context too... |
| 15:13.04 | asg | nods |
| 15:13.06 | liable | i feel like twat. after saying a gui should work ok and be easier for a new user, gnome has to be the stupidest fucking desktop to make NM not work |
| 15:13.28 | sander__ | How do I switch from postgresql 7.4.19 to 8.1 ? |
| 15:13.35 | sander__ | I'm on debian etch. |
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| 15:13.48 | valdyn | liable: i dont know, i just recently installed a lenny laptop and nm has been working perfectly fine from the start |
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| 15:13.58 | amitz | !backport |
| 15:13.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 15:14.04 | valdyn | liable: ( not for me, for a complete linux illiterate person ) |
| 15:14.23 | sander__ | Tried to apt-get remove postgresql-7.4 and apt-get install postgresql-8.1 |
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| 15:14.33 | doudou | the book is not online, nothing online? |
| 15:14.44 | alcohol | doudou: try library |
| 15:14.44 | liable | valdyn: i installed it on kde just the other day to see why it didnt work also, and i can switch between both my cards too, fucked if i know.. :( |
| 15:14.53 | valdyn | doudou: maybe you want to start with a book on how to use google |
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| 15:14.58 | pif | sander__: install 8.1 and read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 15:15.28 | pif | sander__: do not remove 7.4 yet if you have active db's |
| 15:16.33 | doudou | valdyn google+debian= a mess of data, mainly data with no date, mainly obsolete |
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| 15:17.05 | sander__ | pif, I have active db's.. HOw do I list them.. and move them over to the new one? |
| 15:17.22 | valdyn | doudou: it cant be your lack of skill to use google |
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| 15:17.37 | dkcl | Hello there. |
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| 15:17.57 | pif | sander__: what part of "read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz" don't you understand ? |
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| 15:18.53 | dkcl | I'm trying to figure out what to type in /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to download and install stable packages. So far there's only the security updates repositories. I keep ending up at sites telling me to add ``deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free'' but that doesn't work for me. |
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| 15:19.13 | dkcl | Any ideas on the default debian.org stable repositories? |
| 15:19.21 | pif | define "doesn't work" |
| 15:19.27 | valdyn | doudou: but to be fair, this oh so simple "configure.." requires you to know basic C or C++ and make and a few more tools. So you wont learn that with a single book anyway |
| 15:19.31 | dkcl | pif: 404 error. |
| 15:19.41 | dkcl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.06 | pif | dkcl: apt-get update ? |
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| 15:21.10 | dkcl | pif: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org main/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/[...]) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 15:21.23 | doudou | valdyn, somebody wrote a configure script, and a INSTALL file |
| 15:21.51 | pif | dkcl: go to debian.org and search for "mirrors" |
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| 15:22.13 | doudou | valdyn, why cant i test gtklib version? or if it is broken? |
| 15:22.19 | valdyn | doudou: nah, these configure scripts are probably more often autogenerated |
| 15:22.25 | dkcl | pif: Right. Okay. |
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| 15:22.55 | valdyn | doudou: you can test all that |
| 15:23.09 | doudou | valdyn, autogenerated from a computer with a distro i dont know, and it is a MESS |
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| 15:23.51 | valdyn | I give up, someone needs to beat some humility into you, not me. |
| 15:24.17 | doudou | i have another question, iceweasel loose always the xpdf associated with pdf file, often it ask to save |
| 15:24.34 | liable | Stanlin: and? |
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| 15:25.13 | liable | !troll doudou |
| 15:25.14 | doudou | iceweasel knows xpdf, and next time it forgot this application, proposing only to save |
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| 15:25.29 | liable | yay, wtf deleted that one |
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| 15:25.55 | liable | doudou: file a bug. |
| 15:26.00 | themill | liable: trollstamp, I think you were looking for |
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| 15:26.24 | themill | or trollmeter |
| 15:26.33 | liable | themill: nah, there used to be a troll CMD |
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| 15:27.01 | j0d3_ | Hi |
| 15:27.11 | hoxu | !trollstamp themill |
| 15:27.11 | dpkg | stamps themill on the ass with the official #debian Troll marker |
| 15:27.15 | doudou | i dont find book online, seems that concetp should be clearly explained somewhere |
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| 15:27.44 | themill | doudou: what concept and have you actually read and understood anything? |
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| 15:27.49 | amitz | how to read .gz file directly with piping on command line? |
| 15:27.58 | themill | amitz: zless |
| 15:28.00 | doudou | in fact some ppl here can repeat 1000 times answer, and wont wrote them somewhere we can consult it |
| 15:28.12 | valdyn | amitz: zmore file.gz |
| 15:28.21 | valdyn | amitz: thats whithout a pipe though |
| 15:28.24 | atlantide | crtl+alt+Fn is not running,crtl+alt+backslash is oK, gdm is oK, some body have some ide |
| 15:28.32 | amitz | valdyn: thx! |
| 15:28.33 | doudou | themill, concept about install in usr/local ? |
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| 15:28.59 | amitz | themill: thx too, without pipe is better :-). |
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| 15:29.01 | doudou | what concepts are actualy readable about debian? |
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| 15:29.08 | themill | doudou: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-4.9.html |
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| 15:29.18 | asg | and hier(7) |
| 15:29.20 | alsd | hi there |
| 15:29.39 | pif | amitz: add "eval $(lesspipe)" to your shell startup and use 'less' |
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| 15:30.07 | doudou | 404 |
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| 15:30.33 | themill | then fix your machine yourself. |
| 15:30.43 | Optic | My ps/2 keyboard works fine until X starts and then goes completely dead. :( |
| 15:30.45 | Optic | any hints? |
| 15:31.01 | Optic | if I kill X from a remote ssh session, the keyboard comes back to life |
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| 15:31.10 | amitz | pif: hmm, that seems to make less automatically use less with built-in pipe? (currently reading the man) |
| 15:31.16 | alsd | i'm having trouble with XFCE on a dualhead system, on intel x driver : i've set it up according to the intellinuxgraphics.org doc, it's ok when I start X alone, but as soon as XFCE starts, the second screen shuts off and can only be put back on with xrandr. any ideas? |
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| 15:32.09 | pif | amitz: personnaly I use w3m for paging |
| 15:32.31 | pif | mucho better |
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| 15:33.20 | amitz | pif: never knew that I can use w3m, neat stuff :-) |
| 15:33.33 | Stanlin2 | rtesfr |
| 15:33.35 | Stanlin2 | test |
| 15:33.39 | Stanlin2 | hello |
| 15:33.49 | Stanlin2 | sd |
| 15:34.00 | Maulkin | Stanlin2: Can we help? |
| 15:34.03 | amitz | one thing for sure, less to type compared to zless :-) |
| 15:34.24 | Stanlin2 | well, its official WPA doesnt work in debian |
| 15:34.39 | Stanlin2 | i changed to WEP |
| 15:34.44 | amitz | Stanlin2: you mean, wpa doesn |
| 15:34.46 | d-b | Stanlin2: it does too |
| 15:34.51 | pif | nice to browse debian docs: cd /usr/share/doc/blah && w3m . |
| 15:34.53 | liable | Stanlin2: bullshit |
| 15:35.07 | Stanlin2 | liable: hi, didnt work... |
| 15:35.09 | d-b | i'm using wpa2 aes here at that Stanlin2 |
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| 15:35.28 | amitz | Stanlin2: you mean, wpa on madwifi doesn't work for debian or doesn't work for gnome-network-manager? |
| 15:35.43 | liable | it works in both cases |
| 15:35.55 | d-b | amitz: or his wifi card is not supported? |
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| 15:36.00 | liable | it is |
| 15:36.12 | d-b | oh? |
| 15:36.13 | amitz | pif: ic. |
| 15:36.15 | liable | yes |
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| 15:36.25 | Stanlin2 | liable: i just want to connect to an AP , ssid: conejitos, WPA shared key: 3344f3344f, thats all |
| 15:36.44 | d-b | yeah so put it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:37.12 | Stanlin2 | d-b: i did all what liable said, didnt work |
| 15:37.47 | simonrvn | !doesn't work |
| 15:37.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 15:37.58 | d-b | Stanlin2: you can put it in /etc/network/interfaces -> iface wlan0 inet dhcp wpa-driver wext wpa-ssid "foo" wpa-psk :here" |
| 15:38.07 | d-b | * "here" |
| 15:38.10 | amitz | d-b: hmm probably, it's been a long time. I still have a client that can't use WPA thus I don't bother to setup WPA these days. |
| 15:38.40 | d-b | amitz: rofl. get they a new card. |
| 15:38.46 | d-b | them* |
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| 15:38.55 | liable | Stanlin2: do you enter a passphrase in your router and it spits out a hex code? |
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| 15:39.05 | Stanlin2 | d-b: the wpa-psk = 10 digit hex WPA TKIP key? |
| 15:39.11 | liable | Stanlin2: wpa works perfectly fine |
| 15:39.12 | d-b | what ? |
| 15:39.22 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.33 | amitz | d-b: nah, they're too cheap for their own good :-) |
| 15:39.35 | liable | a ten digit hex key is wep128 |
| 15:39.57 | Stanlin2 | liable: the only preshared KEY is this: 3344f3344f |
| 15:40.14 | d-b | Stanlin2: i will join your wifi is the ssid "russia" ? |
| 15:40.21 | Stanlin2 | its is WPA |
| 15:40.25 | d-b | just kidding. |
| 15:40.43 | Stanlin2 | sure, welcome, i can change it anytime, my point is that doesnt work |
| 15:40.53 | liable | Stanlin2: how did you get that key? |
| 15:41.00 | Stanlin2 | brb in 2 hours, i need to hit the market |
| 15:41.03 | d-b | liable: his router probably. |
| 15:41.21 | Stanlin2 | liable: i made it, it works with centos, with xp, vista, windows7, etc |
| 15:41.25 | liable | wpa is not hex |
| 15:41.32 | liable | Stanlin2: righto |
| 15:41.38 | liable | gives up |
| 15:41.56 | d-b | liable: welll i think openbsd does it hexy to input it .... |
| 15:42.10 | d-b | Stanlin2: copy the config from centos then |
| 15:42.12 | amitz | Stanlin2: maybe you shouldn't use gnome-network-manager first since it can interfere with manual setting.. |
| 15:42.23 | liable | d-b: if you have a wpa key in hex, it *must* be 64 chars long |
| 15:42.36 | d-b | liable: good point ^^ |
| 15:42.52 | Stanlin2 | amitz: actually we installed nm-applet |
| 15:43.07 | Stanlin2 | liable: it is 10 digits, so its not hex |
| 15:43.11 | Stanlin2 | probabky |
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| 15:43.40 | liable | Stanlin2: why dont you have a ascii key? why do you have a hex passphrase? |
| 15:43.59 | liable | a wpa passphrase is ascii, not hex |
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| 15:44.03 | Stanlin2 | ok using a hex passphrase |
| 15:44.23 | amitz | Stanlin2: they seem to be the same thing based on aptitude info. |
| 15:44.48 | jelly | How does one update /var/lib/dpkg/available without using dselect? |
| 15:45.16 | liable | Stanlin2: do you know what passphrase you passed to your router to give that key? |
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| 15:46.57 | Stanlin2 | liable: this information works on all OS's ive tested: AP ssid: conejitos, WPA shared key: 3344f3344f, thats all, the question is simple, where do i need to paste those values on debian to use the wifi? |
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| 15:47.30 | hark | !available |
| 15:47.30 | dpkg | run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available" |
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| 15:47.36 | sebas891 | hi folks, I've a Debian domU in a lvm volume that is going repeatly in ro file system... |
| 15:47.48 | sebas891 | any idea? on how to debug that ? |
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| 15:48.00 | hark | jelly: is it still needed? i thought it was only for dselect |
| 15:48.14 | jelly | hark: dpkg -l uses it. |
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| 15:48.48 | liable | Stanlin2: is it in quotes in your wpasupp conf file? |
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| 15:49.13 | Stanlin2 | liable: yes |
| 15:49.16 | liable | Stanlin2: if it is, and it doesnt work, then i am dumbfounded |
| 15:49.54 | Stanlin2 | going to try in 2 hours, brb |
| 15:50.08 | Stanlin2 | now im in wep |
| 15:50.12 | liable | http://pastebin.com/m4d0fe467 |
| 15:50.23 | liable | thats shows wpasupp working |
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| 15:51.31 | zimnyx | What was the name of script that list installed packages order by their size? |
| 15:51.42 | hark | dpigs |
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| 15:51.59 | liable | !installed by size |
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| 15:52.04 | liable | meh |
| 15:52.10 | Mark17 | how can i fsck for the root filesystem? |
| 15:52.14 | liable | i made a factoid for that i thought |
| 15:52.24 | Mark17 | unmounting and remounting it isnt possible |
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| 15:52.54 | liable | !sort by package size |
| 15:52.54 | dpkg | to see a list of installed packages by installed size install dctrl-tools and run 'grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " n" | sort -n' |
| 15:53.02 | hark | or dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' | sort -n |
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| 15:53.56 | x1250_ | nice one |
| 15:54.00 | zimnyx | hark: thanks |
| 15:54.27 | liable | Mark17: you cant fsck while its mounted. preiod |
| 15:54.33 | liable | period* |
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| 15:54.44 | Mark17 | liable: and how can i unmount it so i can run fsck |
| 15:54.49 | Mark17 | it fails during startup |
| 15:55.07 | liable | Mark17: if its / you cant, do it at boot |
| 15:55.17 | Mark17 | liable: it is the / |
| 15:55.20 | liable | touch /forcefsck |
| 15:55.25 | liable | reboot |
| 15:55.47 | Mark17 | liable: how can i do that if it is currently mounted read only and i cannot remount it so it is writeable? |
| 15:56.09 | liable | Mark17: if its currently ro, you can run fsck |
| 15:56.38 | pif | Mark17: use a live cd |
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| 15:58.42 | Optic | `grr, why won't my keyboard work :( |
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| 15:59.02 | Mark17 | pif: i am trying that now |
| 15:59.31 | pif | Optic: regenerate your xorg.conf with 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg' |
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| 15:59.48 | Optic | ok, i'll give it a try |
| 16:00.00 | liable | not correct for lenny onwards |
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| 16:00.38 | liable | !drxx |
| 16:00.38 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 16:02.19 | Optic | rebooting! |
| 16:02.26 | pif | no need |
| 16:02.38 | Optic | well, if I restart X the keyboard works |
| 16:02.43 | Optic | for some reason I only have this probelm on boot |
| 16:02.57 | Optic | keyboard works fine in grub, all the way up until X starts |
| 16:03.05 | Optic | and then it goes completely dead, inlcuding numlock light |
| 16:03.19 | pif | be my guest then |
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| 16:04.35 | themill | If you ssh onto the machine from elsewhere, does chvt work? Does it bring the kb back to life? |
| 16:06.35 | Mark17 | is it possible to not fsck when booting? or where can is see when fsck is last done? |
| 16:07.03 | Optic | pif: no improvement :( |
| 16:07.23 | pif | try another keyb to isolate the cause |
| 16:07.29 | Optic | ok |
| 16:08.14 | Optic | chvt... one second |
| 16:08.30 | x1250_ | Optic, I had that problem a while ago. I reinstalled all xserver-xorg-input*, and purged/install gdm. And it worked. |
| 16:08.33 | Optic | yes, chvt brings keyboard back to life |
| 16:09.08 | Optic | X seems to be on vt2 |
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| 16:11.17 | Mark17 | is it possible to prevent the fsck when booting? |
| 16:11.41 | Optic | that's weird, it's usually on 7 |
| 16:11.53 | Mark17 | i did just manually fsck every file system and it has no problems, but now i need to prevent it from checking it when booting |
| 16:12.04 | pif | Mark17: man fstab |
| 16:12.30 | alsd | Optic: maybe you're running single user? |
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| 16:12.45 | Optic | nope, full system |
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| 16:13.39 | alsd | Optic: X takes the first free VT AFAIK, maybe getty is disabled on VT 2 ? |
| 16:13.41 | Mark17 | pif: rebooting to livecd again :( |
| 16:14.00 | Optic | hmm, it's possible! let me look |
| 16:14.32 | pif | Mark17: the right question is, why your fs is checked? |
| 16:14.39 | pif | dirty shutdown? |
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| 16:15.27 | Mark17 | pif: dirty shutdown (read: power cable removed) |
| 16:15.46 | pif | then let the fsck complete |
| 16:15.54 | Mark17 | the system did not react to ssh (or anything else from distance) |
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| 16:16.00 | Mark17 | pif: the fsck fails... |
| 16:16.13 | pif | define fails |
| 16:16.14 | dreamer | I'm still having trouble getting X at resolutions above 800x600, anyone experience with relatively old radeon chipsets? |
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| 16:16.25 | Mark17 | i will let it do it again and give the error here |
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| 16:16.51 | Optic | aha! |
| 16:17.00 | Optic | alsd: that was the hint i needed |
| 16:17.08 | sts | hello folks! why does apt complain about untrustet packages when i run these two commands: debootstrap etch /test ; chroot /test aptitude -y install w3m |
| 16:17.09 | Optic | I was starting X way too early in the bootup |
| 16:17.15 | Optic | I think the terminal settings weren't applied yet |
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| 16:17.46 | Optic | keyboard works! |
| 16:17.55 | Optic | rejoycing! |
| 16:18.00 | alsd | Optic: gettys are launched only once init ran through runlevel scripts, i think |
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| 16:19.44 | Mark17 | Checking root file system.../etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh: line 266: logsave: command not found failed (code 127) An automatic file system check (fsck) of the root filesystem failed. A manual fsck must be performed the system restarted. The fsck should be performed in maintenance mode with the root filesystem mounted in read-only mode. The root filesystem is currently mounted in read-only mode A maintenance shell will now be started. |
| 16:19.59 | Mark17 | pif: that is the tekst i see on the screen |
| 16:20.35 | Optic | thank you #debian :) |
| 16:20.42 | pif | Mark17: install e2fsprogs |
| 16:21.19 | Mark17 | pif: it is read only... so installing anything is not possible... |
| 16:21.20 | pif | Mark17: mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 16:21.32 | simonrvn | then remount it ro once finished |
| 16:21.52 | pif | Optic: why the wrong X startup to begin with? just curious |
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| 16:25.26 | Mark17 | pif: and how can i install e2fsprogs without network? i dont see any network interfaces after doing /etc/init.d/networking restart (no errors) when i do ifconfig |
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| 16:26.31 | pif | use your livecd |
| 16:27.23 | pif | mount /dev/sda1 (whatever) to /mnt/test then "dpkg --root /mnt/test -i e2fs... " |
| 16:28.06 | Mark17 | ok, the livecd is ubuntu (I will need to check if that can installs the debian package, i only have net install cds for debian |
| 16:28.58 | pif | get the right e2fsprog package manually |
| 16:29.50 | jelly | Mark17: ubuntu livecd will be good enough for this purpose |
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| 16:31.24 | jelly | Mark17: before you boot into it, does dpkg -l e2fsprogs|tail -1 show anything? |
| 16:31.38 | Mark17 | pif: what package do i need? |
| 16:32.36 | jelly | Mark17: pif: writing to a filesystem that might be needing a fsck is very unwise. |
| 16:32.43 | hark | it probably is already installed |
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| 16:33.22 | enouf | does the LiveCD already have it handy to use? don't install it to your /, just run it from livecd? |
| 16:33.29 | pif | yup, but "logsave: command not found" seems to say no |
| 16:34.03 | Mark17 | when i do fsck from the livecd i dont get any errors |
| 16:34.15 | Mark17 | so that is why i asked if it is possible to disable fsck at startup |
| 16:34.20 | pif | man fstab |
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| 16:35.08 | pif | /dev/whatever / xfs defaults 0 1 |
| 16:35.14 | enouf | man tune2fs as well, for ext2/3 - also note /etc/default/rcS settings |
| 16:35.18 | pif | switch the 1 to 0 |
| 16:35.45 | beefsalad | pif: that just changes the fsck order no? |
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| 16:36.16 | pif | hmm, right |
| 16:36.47 | pif | actually 0 disables check |
| 16:37.30 | Mark17 | if the check isnt done it shouldnt give this error and should startup i guess |
| 16:38.15 | pif | IIRC when the check fails simply press ctrl-D to resume startup (it's been a while) |
| 16:38.49 | dreamer | screams at X for ignoring xorg.conf |
| 16:39.03 | pif | since I've switched to xfs I never have this |
| 16:39.40 | Mark17 | pif: ctrl-D blocks it when it fails on the root system... |
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| 16:42.58 | asg | dreamer: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 16:44.35 | hark | the md5 check is back again? |
| 16:45.35 | asg | shrugs |
| 16:47.08 | dreamer | asg: I'm not sure why I should do that, my problem is, I can't get X to display higher than 800x600, I've forced 1024x768 in xorg.conf, but it's not working :/ |
| 16:47.26 | asg | oh, different problem |
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| 16:47.52 | dreamer | juh, I don't want to use the default, because it doesn't work :( |
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| 16:49.16 | GuySoft | hey, something seems to be taking up all my network internet connection, is there some command i can track what is being transfered over an ethernet device? or know what program is using it? |
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| 16:49.22 | jelly | Mark17: does your system actually have a /sbin/logsave binary inplace? |
| 16:50.02 | Mark17 | what packages do i need to install when i want to upgrade from 2.6.18-5-486 to 2.6.18-x-686? (I have 4GB RAM in the system and I would like to be able to use at least 3GB, I have a 64bit CPU (amd athlon 64 X2 4200+)) |
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| 16:50.10 | Mark17 | jelly: i will check it now |
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| 16:50.28 | Mark17 | no /sbin/logsave does not exist |
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| 16:50.54 | hark | how about /sbin/fsck? |
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| 16:51.16 | jelly | his error was about logsave missing, not fsck |
| 16:51.34 | guy1 | I attached a switch with my dsl modem and now the download speed had decreased from 100KB/sec to 50KB/sec, why this happened and how can I get the previous download speed? |
| 16:51.43 | enouf | GuySoft: could try iftop |
| 16:51.45 | jelly | huh, /sbin/fsck is in e2fsprogs as well |
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| 16:52.45 | enouf | Mark17: to get the -6-686 you want atleast a security.debian.org line also in sources.list |
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| 16:53.12 | Mark17 | enouf: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 16:53.17 | jelly | Mark17: Re: kernel, you'd install linux-image-2.6-686 to get 2.6.18, or linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf for 2.6.24 |
| 16:53.22 | Mark17 | that is in my sources.list |
| 16:53.33 | enouf | Mark17: and an update; then search and ye shall find |
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| 16:53.51 | jelly | Mark17: those will show your both cores and around 3.3GB RAM will be usable |
| 16:53.51 | Mark17 | and the kernel headers are included with that package? |
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| 16:53.58 | enouf | no |
| 16:54.06 | jelly | Mark17: linux-headers-* (same name) |
| 16:54.08 | enouf | those are in linux-headers- |
| 16:54.39 | enouf | you want to build shit? also install build-essential devscripts fakeroot (atleast) |
| 16:54.43 | jelly | Mark17: a reinstall of e2fsprogs package will put that logsave thing back |
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| 16:55.12 | enouf | oh and module-assistant for kernel modules, which will/can also pull in needed build-dep + headers |
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| 16:55.23 | dreamer | asg: do you have any idea where I could look to get my resolution higher? |
| 16:55.30 | guy1 | can anyone help me about that downloading problem? |
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| 16:56.27 | enouf | guy1: added a switch? check cables you added too .. but if you remove the switch, the speed goes back up? |
| 16:56.52 | enouf | guy1: same mirror/server you're testing speed from? |
| 16:57.04 | monkey_d_luffy | Any idea what is the documentation package for the "sys/stat.h" functions? I tried glibc-doc but no luck... man (2|3|4) stat still doesn't give me anything. |
| 16:57.07 | guy1 | enouf, yes, when the switch is removed the speed goes back to 100KB/s |
| 16:57.16 | guy1 | enouf, yes, same mirror |
| 16:57.32 | guy1 | enouf, cables are new and tested |
| 16:57.55 | jelly | monkey_d_luffy: um. manpages-dev maybe |
| 16:58.12 | asg | dreamer: other than setting a 'DefaultDepth XX' and a SubSection "Display"\nDepth XX\nModes "1024x768"\nEndSubSection (where XX is 8, 16, 24, or 32), no |
| 16:58.13 | enouf | guy1: i'm going to suggest you try a router, not a switch, in case your ISP is playing games with amt of allowed attachable PCs, or someshit |
| 16:58.30 | jelly | !find /stat.2 |
| 16:59.11 | guy1 | enouf, how a router can enhance my speed? |
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| 16:59.36 | monkey_d_luffy | jelly: thanks! it worked :) |
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| 16:59.59 | asg | guy1: do you sustain 50 KB/s or does it start there and drop to something else? |
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| 17:00.42 | guy1 | asdf, it varies b/w 50KB/sec and 20-25KB/sec |
| 17:00.54 | enouf | guy1: with the switch, are you also attaching other PCs which are also downloading? So instead on one PC without the switch, there are now 2 PCs d/l in tandem? |
| 17:00.56 | asg | guy1: check the speed and duplex match on both ports |
| 17:01.04 | guy1 | asg, it varies b/w 50KB/sec and 20-25KB/sec |
| 17:01.10 | dreamer | asg: hmm, already did that, with depths 16 and 24 .. I doubt it'll work for lower (wouldn't want to go lower either) |
| 17:01.20 | asg | guy1: if they are autonegotiate, set them to a fixed setting on both ends and see if things improve |
| 17:01.30 | guy1 | enouf, no, i tried with other pcs turned off! |
| 17:01.41 | asg | dreamer: perhaps your video card doesn't support that resolution at those bit depths |
| 17:01.49 | enouf | asg: can one use ethtool to probe the switch? or .. |
| 17:01.50 | asg | dreamer: or the driver |
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| 17:02.24 | guy1 | asg, you speaking a difficult technical language :) |
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| 17:02.34 | asg | enouf: it will report the autoneg but that often is broken with crappy switches. |
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| 17:02.46 | enouf | aye .. ok, thanks |
| 17:02.54 | dreamer | asg: hmmm, I'm not sure what I should use for this card then (Mobility M6 LY) |
| 17:03.12 | asg | dreamer: try the vesa driver and see if that helps |
| 17:03.40 | guy1 | so how can i improve my speed? |
| 17:03.52 | enouf | dreamer: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 17:04.05 | enouf | remove the switch |
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| 17:04.38 | guy1 | enouf, does the router will give me 100KB/sec? |
| 17:04.41 | dreamer | enouf: like I said -> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY |
| 17:05.04 | enouf | guy1: i can't say for sure, but it's not that the router will give it to you ... |
| 17:05.31 | enouf | dreamer: lspci -nn | grep VGA then please instead |
| 17:05.39 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 17:05.44 | enouf | dreamer: and uname -r |
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| 17:06.02 | asg | guy1: does '/sbin/ifconfig' show errors or collisions? |
| 17:06.20 | dreamer | enouf: heh, ok: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY [1002:4c59] and 2.6.26-1-686 (lenny btw) |
| 17:06.32 | guy1 | enouf, if other PCs are turned off then doesnt switch has to provide full speed? |
| 17:06.32 | enouf | better |
| 17:06.36 | guy1 | asg, lemme check |
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| 17:07.26 | guy1 | asg, it is showing two entries, one for eth0 and other for lo |
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| 17:07.35 | asg | guy1: the one for eth0 |
| 17:07.40 | enouf | dreamer: gah, that returns only radeonfb ... nm that - /msg dpkg radeon vs radeonhd |
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| 17:08.18 | guy1 | asg, in that entry, what should i look for? cuse there are lot of numbers (IPs and addresses) |
| 17:08.29 | asg | guy1: TX packets:5665 errors:0 dropped:189 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 |
| 17:08.50 | asg | guy1: the bottom 2 or 3 lines of the interface entry |
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| 17:09.08 | guy1 | asg, yes, lemme paste that lines one by one |
| 17:09.17 | kyrix | root user in ldap, is there anything against this besides if a hacker cracks your ldap he can take over all computers that use this ldap server as auth server? |
| 17:09.27 | guy1 | asg, RX packets:135672 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 17:09.28 | dreamer | enouf: hmm, but it doesn't work with radeon and radeonhd is for newer hardware right? |
| 17:09.33 | guy1 | asg, TX packets:123675 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 |
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| 17:09.42 | guy1 | asg, collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 |
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| 17:09.54 | guy1 | asg, RX bytes:135588781 (135.5 MB) TX bytes:14977895 (14.9 MB) |
| 17:10.02 | guy1 | asg, Interrupt:219 Base address:0x2000 |
| 17:10.08 | guy1 | asg, thats all |
| 17:10.10 | asg | guy1: then you likely don't have a duplex mismatch between the pc and the switch. However, there might be an issue between the switch and the dsl line. |
| 17:10.52 | guy1 | asg, does the length of line affects the speed? |
| 17:11.04 | asg | guy1: only if the line is over 100 meters or so |
| 17:11.06 | enouf | heh, 100m? |
| 17:11.22 | guy1 | asg, mine is about 60 feet |
| 17:11.34 | asg | should be fine unless it's a really crappy cable |
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| 17:11.49 | guy1 | asg, the cable is new |
| 17:12.13 | enouf | new != good/effective .. up to specifications |
| 17:12.25 | asg | guy1: if the switch has some kind of interface, then see if ports on the switch are showing errors or collisions. If it's a dumb switch, that will make it difficult to troubleshoot the problem. |
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| 17:13.10 | guy1 | asg, its a chinese dumb switch and shows nothing except lights :) |
| 17:13.13 | enouf | dreamer: i'm not sure, that's why i wanted you to research it - also try #radeon |
| 17:13.31 | asg | guy1: ah, hmmmm |
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| 17:14.17 | guy1 | asg, what? |
| 17:14.21 | johndoe | whats the command to check mounted filesystems and their usages' |
| 17:14.38 | asg | johndoe: df |
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| 17:14.48 | johndoe | asg: thank you |
| 17:14.49 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 17:15.10 | metalfan_ | is it currently possible to use krb5 with nfs4 on debian with heimdal? |
| 17:15.28 | hjb | Hi. I'm searching for a "gallery" application i can install on my webserver |
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| 17:15.42 | hjb | It should support user management, uploading of images and tagging |
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| 17:15.48 | guy1 | asg, does the problem with switch? |
| 17:15.50 | hjb | Anything available in debian? |
| 17:16.51 | asg | guy1: could be or it could be just that the switch and your dsl modem don't autonegotiate correctly. It could also be something else but it is difficult to identify what other than the fact that the addition of the switch has likely caused the drop in bandwidth |
| 17:17.47 | guy1 | asg, then which type of switch i should use? |
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| 17:18.40 | dreamer | enouf: hmmm, weird stuff |
| 17:18.50 | dreamer | I'm going to try the vesa driver first now .. |
| 17:19.14 | x1250_ | gnome-applets should have policykit-gnome as a dependency. If not, cpufreq-selector dies with: Cannot initialize libpolkit |
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| 17:27.39 | [twisti] | im running lenny, is there any way to get a newer version of a package (like with the backports for etch) ? |
| 17:27.51 | Stanlin2 | liable: im back |
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| 17:28.35 | Eulex | !tell [twisti] about ssb |
| 17:29.07 | Eulex | [twisti], and skip the section about checking if it has been backported, because there are no backports for lenny yet. |
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| 17:29.24 | [twisti] | so the rest applies to lenny too ? |
| 17:29.32 | Eulex | yes |
| 17:29.38 | [twisti] | awesome, thank you |
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| 17:29.57 | Eulex | but make sure the package in question is available in sid, otherwise it's a waste of time |
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| 17:30.07 | [twisti] | how do i do that ? |
| 17:30.15 | Eulex | use packages.debian.org for example |
| 17:30.28 | [twisti] | thanks |
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| 17:31.52 | metalfan_ | is it currently possible to use krb5 with nfs4 on debian with heimdal? |
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| 17:32.59 | Stanlin2 | Help! |
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| 17:33.59 | myeggo | hello |
| 17:34.06 | myeggo | my systray clock is stopped |
| 17:34.09 | myeggo | but date in console works |
| 17:34.16 | myeggo | how can i make that clock start |
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| 17:35.33 | [twisti] | Eulex: it doesnt have the version i want, is there any way for me to just compile the newest version myself ? |
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| 17:37.36 | Stanlin2 | Help!! |
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| 17:37.49 | Stanlin2 | apt-get install google-chrome , doesnt work |
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| 17:38.11 | dmi3on | hi all, i am first time in my life installing debian from netinst CD, PC is dell Pentium D 1G ram 160G HDD i need to use it as a server can some give me assistance pleas |
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| 17:39.29 | Mark17 | unable to start piped log program '/usr/bin/logger -t httpd': No such file or directory << how can i install that logger? |
| 17:40.09 | jelly | Mark17: does /usr/bin/logger exist? |
| 17:40.26 | asg | Mark17: do you have the bsdutils package installed? |
| 17:40.37 | mhymn | Stanlin2: what's the error? |
| 17:40.40 | \amethyst | Mark17: apt-file search /usr/bin/logger says it's in bsdutils |
| 17:41.14 | Mark17 | bsdutils wasnt installed and /usr/bin/logger didnt exist |
| 17:41.24 | jelly | Mark17: your system seems to be missing some very common files and packages |
| 17:41.24 | xxiao | what's the newest lenny release date-goal? |
| 17:41.36 | asg | >today |
| 17:41.52 | jelly | Mark17: how did you install it? |
| 17:42.09 | enouf | Mark17: might want to install all pkgs of priority required, important, and standard - seems you goofed - heh |
| 17:42.33 | enouf | atleast the 1st two listed are necessary for a base systme |
| 17:42.40 | enouf | system* |
| 17:42.54 | jelly | enouf: how does one install all packages with a Priority: standard? |
| 17:43.16 | xxiao | trying to add a new arch to next release, grope in the dark |
| 17:43.29 | hark | maybe he has a failing drive? |
| 17:43.37 | enouf | jelly: something like ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort | less |
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| 17:44.15 | hark | aptitude install ~pstandard |
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| 17:44.50 | enouf | ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | grep bsdutils |
| 17:44.53 | enouf | required bsdutils install ok installed |
| 17:44.58 | Mark17 | jelly it was defaced and now i need it to run so i can move a few files |
| 17:45.17 | jelly | enouf: dpkg-query seems to work with available, and only shows what is already installed |
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| 17:45.20 | enouf | hark: aye .. and touché |
| 17:45.26 | mythomaniac | is a file in /home/<usr> directory where one can create scripts to run a few actions at startup? |
| 17:45.38 | mythomaniac | or login |
| 17:45.39 | jelly | Mark17: I would do a clean install. |
| 17:45.41 | mythomaniac | i should say |
| 17:45.56 | asg | mythomaniac: on login, yes. man <yourshell> ; /INVOCATION |
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| 17:46.04 | Mark17 | jelly i need to make backups off the last edited files and i need one program to run BEFORE i can do a clean install |
| 17:46.16 | jelly | Mark17: ah, gotcha |
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| 17:46.45 | enouf | jelly: it's true, i have no way to check what happens when those required/important ones are actually missing from either installation, cache, or both |
| 17:46.51 | jelly | your script kiddie did some decent damage |
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| 17:47.04 | oxi_ | hi |
| 17:47.15 | Mark17 | jelly: yes :( |
| 17:47.39 | Mark17 | now i am fixing it so i can got a few files and after that i will stop using this server till i do a reinstall |
| 17:47.44 | oxi_ | can anyone help?: apt-update -> .... W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ... |
| 17:48.06 | oxi_ | I forgot what to do in such cases |
| 17:48.11 | hark | oxi_: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 17:48.18 | asg | hark: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 17:48.23 | oxi_ | hark: ah, that simple, thanks! |
| 17:48.24 | asg | eep |
| 17:48.26 | jelly | Mark17: it's good to know the rough situation in front so the symptoms don't look as puzzling ;-) |
| 17:48.29 | asg | hark: sorry about that |
| 17:48.31 | enouf | jelly: i would suspect however that a list of required/important is somewhere on everyone's debian system, and available to be queried ... |
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| 17:48.51 | mythomaniac | asg, so basically i would create a ~/.bash_login and ~/.bash_logout in the usr directory? |
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| 17:49.18 | Mark17 | jelly: it did delete everything to track what it was doing :( |
| 17:49.19 | mythomaniac | asg, thanks man ;) |
| 17:49.21 | asg | mythomaniac: yes. |
| 17:49.31 | Mark17 | i did also needed to create a few dirs in /var/log/ |
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| 17:51.57 | esundin | Frustration! I'm installing lenny on a laptop with an ar242x atheros wireless chipset, I've just installed madwifi (using m-a) and the interface is now ath0 but it still wont connect and to top it off nm-applet dies whenever I try to... |
| 17:53.03 | maligor | wouldn't lenny have ath5k? |
| 17:54.49 | avtobiff | is ath5k in 2.6.26? |
| 17:54.49 | esundin | maligor: the interface did show before as wlan0 but would not connect so I figured madwifi was the way to go... (as did some random people found through google...) |
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| 17:56.02 | maligor | esundin, tried running nm-applet from a terminal to see what it spews out? |
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| 17:56.06 | esundin | avtobiff: Yes it is... I guess I'll begin by going back to using that. |
| 17:56.59 | esundin | maligor: I'll try that, but note that that didn't occur with the previous driver... |
| 17:57.06 | jair | hello everybody. I have a debian system as my main system at work, and I have a cisco switch I need to back up the configuration from, there are different ways I can do that but I want to see how quick is to configure a tftp server or client on my debian machine to accomplish this? |
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| 17:57.39 | jair | all I need to do is install a tftp server and then run the commands from the cisco device terminal I guess? |
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| 17:58.03 | jair | tftp does not require any account configuration or anything like that right? |
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| 17:59.26 | asg | jair: no but since tftp is so hideously insecure, I'd at least make sure to configure tcpwrappers and/or the tftpd to restrict uploads for the ip of the cisco device |
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| 18:00.12 | jair | asg: well I am planning on doing this on a totally isolated lab, so security is not a concern |
| 18:01.01 | jair | asg: what I am trying to accomplish is run the copy configuration command from the cisco device to the tftp server running on my debian laptop |
| 18:01.34 | jair | this will be something I want to accomplish in the future but I noticed I have the option to use scp, ftp, etc... but I am very familiar with those two |
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| 18:01.44 | asg | jair: then install it tftpd and check /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/README.Debian* for any postinstall details or gotchas. |
| 18:01.51 | jair | I am just trying to understand how will it work on tftp |
| 18:02.03 | jair | asg: Thank you |
| 18:02.10 | turkjeus | Hi, a question, if I move a folder from folder1 to folder2 and in the process have some error and didn't finish moving all but folder1 was erased, How can I recover the information that was in folder1 |
| 18:02.45 | BitUnique | what is the name of the X development files? |
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| 18:02.58 | asg | turkjeus: mv should not delete folder1 if there is an error |
| 18:03.16 | esundin | maligor: It didn't seem to give any error messages.. very strange... |
| 18:03.23 | oxi_ | I get many 404 when running apt-get upgrade --fix-missing ... what can I do? |
| 18:03.24 | turkjeus | asg, it delete it |
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| 18:03.48 | turkjeus | some press CTRL C while moving |
| 18:03.58 | turkjeus | and the folder1 disappear |
| 18:04.20 | dmi3on | hi all can some on help install debian |
| 18:04.30 | asg | dmi3on: have you read the install guide? |
| 18:04.57 | dmi3on | asg, i am new to linux, i am not sure what i need |
| 18:05.07 | asg | !ig |
| 18:05.08 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r6 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 18:05.43 | asg | turkjeus: what command did you use? |
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| 18:06.16 | oxi_ | I changed the server for sarge in sources.list |
| 18:06.20 | oxi_ | that helped |
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| 18:06.39 | asg | oxi_: you are still running sarge? |
| 18:06.49 | esundin | So would anybody know why the ath5k module on ar242x won't let me connect nor even scan ( it just gives "no results" ) any network (I might add that all the local networks have hidden essids though that have never mattered with anything before...) |
| 18:07.33 | turkjeus | mv folder1 folder2 |
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| 18:07.42 | Mark17 | is it possible with scp to specify to move all files with the name index.php from /home/*/*/*/* to [remote host ip]:/home/*/*/*/* (where * is at both places the same for that file)? |
| 18:08.27 | oxi_ | can anyone explain this: The following packages have been kept back: |
| 18:08.27 | oxi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.40 | oxi_ | ... when running apt-get upgrade |
| 18:08.49 | oxi_ | what does that mean "kept back"? |
| 18:08.57 | Mark17 | oxi_: they are not updated |
| 18:09.03 | asg | oxi_: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 18:09.09 | oxi_ | Mark17: is that bad? |
| 18:09.24 | asg | Mark17: rsync + ssh or find + xargs |
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| 18:10.32 | enouf | hrm, rdiff? |
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| 18:11.13 | Mark17 | asg: and how would i do that with rsync? |
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| 18:13.10 | dkr | Mark17: probably with options like --include. man rsync :) |
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| 18:13.41 | mick_laptop | i'm zcat'ing an image to a 2 GB SD card - it seems to be taking forever. any idea how i can check the status of the transfer? |
| 18:13.49 | mick_laptop | df -h /media/disk-1/ just sits there :-/ |
| 18:13.56 | dkr | Mark17: that is a better solution than find/scp, because rsync can create the destination dirs also if they don't exist |
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| 18:14.37 | mick_laptop | hi dkr :) |
| 18:14.37 | asg | Mark17: you could always also just tar up the relevant bits and untar them on the other machine |
| 18:15.19 | dkr | mick_laptop: howdy. long time no see. I think you would have had to pipe it through something beforehand |
| 18:15.21 | nat2610 | Is there a way to do an apt-url on an application not yet in one of the package of source.list ? |
| 18:15.51 | mick_laptop | 32K /media/disk-1/ |
| 18:16.00 | mick_laptop | ok, that just seems wrong :-( |
| 18:16.22 | alsd | mick_laptop: it's not a good idea to have the filesystem mounted if you copy a filesystem image on it at the same time |
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| 18:16.29 | alsd | mick_laptop: that confuses the kernel |
| 18:16.33 | mick_laptop | eh, good point |
| 18:16.35 | dkr | mick_laptop: yeah, while image file is still open, being written to. fielsystem usage not updated probbaly |
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| 18:17.58 | dkr | oh, i thought you were just copying the image file, not writing image over filesystem. yeah, not a good idea to have it mounted, although prob won't hurt as long as nothign written during the overwriting |
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| 18:18.58 | Stanlin2 | Help , how to install "wifi radar" on debian? |
| 18:19.08 | alsd | dkr: if the filesystem is open read/write, with atime, simply accessing it will cause writes (for access time, that is) |
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| 18:19.31 | esundin | Stanlin2: aptitude install wifi-radar.. |
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| 18:19.48 | dkr | alsd: good point. also another good reason for using noatime, :) |
| 18:19.55 | [twisti] | what are the odds that my debian can use my creative zen mp3 player ? should i just not bother or is something like that generally hopeless ? |
| 18:20.06 | mick_laptop | eh, i just decided to ctrl+c and then umount it and try it again |
| 18:20.45 | beardy | [twisti]: Use a better tabbable nick in here. If it's plain working USB Mass Storage you'll have no problem, just mount it. |
| 18:21.40 | [twisti] | beardy: there are only three people with my first character in this channel. why arent you yelling at everyone with the first letter e or a ? |
| 18:21.43 | stew | [twisti]: you need software from creative, but with it, you can access your device |
| 18:22.02 | beardy | Fuck it then. |
| 18:22.13 | [twisti] | and no, its not a plain USB storage |
| 18:22.20 | stew | no, its not |
| 18:22.32 | [twisti] | stew: thats what i was worried about |
| 18:23.16 | beardy | If you can't get it, because it takes Alt-gr+8 to type it. |
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| 18:24.33 | enouf | [twisti]: your nick sucks ass |
| 18:24.34 | fefo | hi there |
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| 18:24.52 | fefo | after apt-get upgrade whole md configuration has dissappeared |
| 18:24.54 | [twisti] | enouf: thank you, yours blows too |
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| 18:25.22 | enouf | !enouf |
| 18:25.23 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
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| 18:25.57 | fefo | it is not loading MD |
| 18:25.59 | fefo | new ramdisk |
| 18:26.11 | oxi_ | once I did apt-get install sun-java6-jdk ... how do I upgrade it? |
| 18:26.23 | fefo | in the same way |
| 18:26.33 | asg | oxi_: upgrade it to what? |
| 18:26.34 | stew | oxi_: "apt-get install sun-java6-jdk" |
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| 18:26.54 | oxi_ | stew: thanks, I'll try that |
| 18:27.14 | BitUnique | under what name is the OpenGL library package? |
| 18:27.14 | oxi_ | asg: newer sun release of jdk 6 |
| 18:27.46 | oxi_ | sun-java6-jdk is already the newest version. |
| 18:27.59 | oxi_ | but I installed it about 1-2 years ago |
| 18:28.08 | oxi_ | do I need to bother about this? |
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| 18:28.23 | stew | oxi_: what does "apt-cache policy sun-java6-jdk" say for "Installed: "? |
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| 18:28.33 | oxi_ | backports probably doesn't update that often, right |
| 18:28.38 | oxi_ | stew: thanks , I'll try |
| 18:29.11 | alsd | senses we're nearing week end |
| 18:29.22 | oxi_ | it says: Installed: 6-06-1~bpo40+1 |
| 18:29.22 | oxi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.48 | oxi_ | maybe I didn't notice jdk was updated, when I ran apt-get update/upgrade |
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| 18:30.37 | oxi_ | How can I tell how old my installed version is, to be sure? |
| 18:30.41 | stew | judd: versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 18:30.42 | judd | stew: sun-java6-jdk -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 6-07-4 sid/non-free: 6-10-2 |
| 18:31.09 | stew | oxi_: so there is a newer backport available. do you still have backports in your sources.list? have you run apt-get update recently? |
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| 18:31.26 | stew | oxi_: you could tell how old it is by looking at /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 18:31.26 | esundin | Would anybody here know why my ar242x chipset can't seem to find any networks? running lenny using the ath5k module, the network is "hidden" and uses wpa2 enterprise encryption -if that matters... (please help...) |
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| 18:32.00 | oxi_ | yeah, stew, that's what I thougth when I did java -version and compared with http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/sun-java6-jdk |
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| 18:32.42 | x1250_ | anyone knows howto make work the cpufreq-applet with cpufreq-selector? I can already change the cpu frequencies using cpufreq-selector, but the applet still can't. I did a chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector, as I read it would make the applet work, but it didn't. Any clues? |
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| 18:33.06 | oxi_ | stew: yes, it's still in my sources.list deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main non-free |
| 18:33.30 | oxi_ | stew: any Idea what's going on? |
| 18:33.33 | stew | oxi_: aptitude update && aptitude install sun-java6-jdk |
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| 18:34.23 | oxi_ | aptitude sometimes has newer stuff than apt-get? |
| 18:34.36 | oxi_ | aptitude and apt-get don't bite eacht other, right? |
| 18:34.40 | stew | no they should be the same. you can use apt-get instead |
| 18:34.42 | oxi_ | it's safe to play around with both |
| 18:34.43 | oxi_ | ok |
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| 18:35.25 | oxi_ | stew: I ran that line, but: java version "1.6.0_06" |
| 18:35.26 | oxi_ | Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_06-b02) |
| 18:35.41 | oxi_ | stew: any further ideas? |
| 18:35.44 | dmi3on | i want to install debian from CD how many CD's do i need to be able load debian connect to internet and see how its working |
| 18:35.47 | dmi3on | 1 ? |
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| 18:36.11 | stew | oxi_: sorry, that should have been "apt-get -t etch-backports install sun-java6-jdk" |
| 18:36.38 | oxi_ | stew: you're my hero! |
| 18:36.43 | stew | \*/ |
| 18:36.44 | oxi_ | stew: thanks a lot |
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| 18:36.50 | stew | you're welcome :) |
| 18:37.33 | oxi_ | stew: I don't know that much about this stuff, .. still curious about it... however, I'm happy it worked and I try to understand what was different with this -t switch |
| 18:37.41 | oxi_ | thanks |
| 18:38.15 | dmi3on | i cant find in help file how many cd's do i need |
| 18:38.24 | dmi3on | can some one help me |
| 18:38.26 | dmi3on | pls |
| 18:38.40 | stew | oxi_: etch-backports is not an 'automatic repository' so its preference is dropped down below a level where you'll get updates from it automatically. if you run "apt-cache policy" you should see it has a low priority, this is so that you don't get EVERY backported package, just the ones you specify |
| 18:39.17 | stew | oxi_: "man apt_preferences" will explain the priorities. you could raise the priority for sun-java6-jdk to make that package automatically upgraded, this is explained on the instructions page at backports.org |
| 18:39.39 | stew | dmi3on: you only need 1 if the machine you are installing on can get to the internet |
| 18:39.41 | hark | x1250_: dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets |
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| 18:39.51 | dmi3on | ok |
| 18:39.54 | dmi3on | thx |
| 18:39.58 | oxi_ | aha! I see. I didn't expect it to work that way. I expected it to be paranoid about security patches and update all java stuff too |
| 18:40.27 | stew | oxi_: if you are paranoid about security, don't use backports, there are no guaranteed security patches there |
| 18:40.37 | oxi_ | thanks for pointing me to the right manuals. I try to push java up to be automagically updated |
| 18:41.09 | oxi_ | stew: alright, thanks for you explaination, I think I can get perfectly started now :-) |
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| 18:43.05 | esundin | Could anybody tell me if upgrading to the 2.6.28 kernel would have any positive effect on the fact that I can't connect nor even find any network using the ath5k driver present in lenny? |
| 18:43.29 | x1250_ | hark, that seemed to do nothing? doesn't work yet... |
| 18:43.45 | x1250_ | did the dpkg-reconfigure but nothing happened |
| 18:44.01 | x1250_ | or at least nothing I could see |
| 18:44.04 | hark | x1250_: are you running 2.24? |
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| 18:44.42 | jariep1_ | hi all, where can I get help with a java applet, for testing? |
| 18:44.56 | hark | esundin: probably or you could use madwifi |
| 18:44.56 | x1250_ | hark, gnome-applets 2.24.2, yes |
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| 18:45.58 | esundin | hark: I did try that (installed using m-a) to no effect... and some people earlier seemd to belive ath5k was the way to go... |
| 18:46.05 | esundin | *seemed |
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| 18:46.40 | sliggy | is anyone else noticing 204.152.191.39 going really slow/is down |
| 18:46.49 | sliggy | it's starting to get frusterating |
| 18:47.07 | x1250_ | hark, this does work, for example: cpufreq-selector --governor performance, the frequency does change, and so it shows the applet. But the applet itself, can't seem to change it, the menu to do so is not there. |
| 18:47.26 | sliggy | 99% [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org (204.152.191.39)] |
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| 18:47.27 | sliggy | ugh |
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| 18:48.23 | hark | x1250_: that's not related to the applet afaik |
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| 18:51.07 | valdyn | x1250_: the applet can only change this if it runs suid root |
| 18:51.15 | valdyn | x1250_: which you can change via debconf |
| 18:51.39 | x1250_ | aah, valdyn great, I'll try that thanks |
| 18:51.58 | valdyn | x1250_: and naturally the userspace governor has to be at least available |
| 18:52.00 | hark | x1250_: oh, it probably does use it... it's in the recommends |
| 18:52.24 | hark | valdyn: that debconf option is no longer there in 2.24 |
| 18:52.45 | valdyn | hark: thats post lenny |
| 18:52.59 | hark | that's what x1250_ is running |
| 18:53.03 | BitUnique | when will debian 5 release? :P |
| 18:53.07 | hark | experimental gnome |
| 18:53.11 | valdyn | hark: ok, his problem, i guess the new method might be in the readme |
| 18:53.12 | x1250_ | hark, I read an ubuntu bug which related the two packages closely, so yes... |
| 18:53.14 | stew | BitUnique: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 18:53.48 | x1250_ | valdyn, nope, the readme is not that useful. |
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| 18:55.03 | hark | esundin: iirc the ath5k drivers are relatively new and still being developed, so a newer kernel might help. but, i'm sure madwifi should work |
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| 18:55.59 | valdyn | * Remove debconf stuff for the setuid program. |
| 18:56.02 | valdyn | god damn changelog |
| 18:56.23 | valdyn | i guess it goes via hal now |
| 18:56.31 | valdyn | which might require some group membership |
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| 18:56.59 | x1250_ | uhm |
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| 18:57.37 | hark | might be policykit related even |
| 18:58.27 | esundin | hark: the madwifi drivers seem to do the exact same thing, basically no network is found... (iwlist scan returns no results and wpa_supplicant just does its whole "scan" thingy...) would you have any ideas as to how to rectify this? |
| 18:59.07 | x1250_ | hark, it seems that policykit is related, I see there is an item from the applet in there, going to try |
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| 19:03.28 | TheWanderer | Mens, I've got a question. How would I go about integrating various services with system authentication? I mean PAM, e-mail, FTP, Jabber and so on being able to share a common, central authentication/info database. What solution should I pick? MySQL? LDAP? What are the addinational prerequisites? |
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| 19:04.09 | valdyn | TheWanderer: theyre on the same by default ( well i dont know about jabberd ) |
| 19:04.44 | Stanlin2 | ahhhh |
| 19:04.46 | TheWanderer | valdyn: It gets worse when I have 20 PC's on a LAN and want to change a user's password... and all that without e-mail going out of sync |
| 19:04.47 | Stanlin2 | i give up |
| 19:04.54 | Stanlin2 | wifi doesnt work |
| 19:04.59 | Stanlin2 | video doesnt work |
| 19:05.05 | Stanlin2 | all points to ubuntu |
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| 19:05.48 | TheWanderer | My point is some degree of centralization and integration of authentication for a large deployment. |
| 19:06.17 | asg | TheWanderer: LDAP for the backend is generally well supported by all non-stupid clients |
| 19:07.01 | TheWanderer | asg: And what about security? Doesn't the client have to access some database in a privileged way, as it takes place in MySQL? |
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| 19:07.57 | TheWanderer | (when I was reading about MySQL auth on the other day, there was no way PAM could auth against it without connecting as 'root' so that it could read password fields from the tables) |
| 19:08.33 | asg | TheWanderer: the client, from an LDAP standpoint, can just bind as the user to verify authentication whether it does this via pam or directly. |
| 19:08.37 | dkr | TheWanderer: uhm, you can allow access to whichever user you want, the user tables are just regular db tables |
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| 19:09.17 | Gast_688_ | http://www.mein-nacktes-spiel.net/?id=2194312 |
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| 19:09.33 | TheWanderer | dkr: I wanted to avoid a situation where a user gains access to /etc/* as root, connects to MySQL and starts reading my password hashes from the DB. |
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| 19:09.39 | Vasistha | My laptop is connected to the internet wirelessly, and I would like to use said laptop as a bridge or switch, thus connecting a wired-only desktop to the internet by connecting it to my laptop (with a crossover cable or a wired switch). Is "bridge" or "switch" the proper term here? Do I need the bridge-utils package? |
| 19:09.42 | dkr | thanks for indicating the link is spam by repeating it, now we don't even have to look |
| 19:10.20 | TheWanderer | Vasistha: I think that you are not looking for a bridging solution, but rather for NAT routing. |
| 19:10.37 | Vasistha | TheWanderer: might very well be :) |
| 19:10.40 | dmi3on | when i install debian from cd1 will it load like ubuntu or only terminal window ? |
| 19:10.44 | valdyn | Vasistha: just install the ipmasq package, thats it |
| 19:10.46 | TheWanderer | Vasistha: I would look into ipmasq. It allows connection sharing between computers. |
| 19:11.00 | Vasistha | valdyn, TheWanderer : thanks, I knew there was a simple solution |
| 19:11.21 | valdyn | Vasistha: well, not that simple |
| 19:11.47 | valdyn | Vasistha: the that computer that needs internet access you need to set at least the gateway manually |
| 19:11.49 | dmi3on | ?? |
| 19:12.14 | x1250_ | what is it with policykit? it only has a disabled "Grant" button, even as root :/ |
| 19:12.24 | Vasistha | valdyn: ah, okay -- and I should set the gateway to my lappy's ip, or the router's ip? |
| 19:12.31 | TheWanderer | The laptop's one |
| 19:12.36 | valdyn | Vasistha: laptop |
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| 19:13.30 | TheWanderer | Vasistha: If you need your setup to be expandable, I can recommend dnsmasq - it provides DHCP and DNS cache for your local network. Handles the gateway/ip assignment stuff automagically. |
| 19:13.49 | x1250_ | the disabled Grant button from policykit, related to gdm? https://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=61565&forum=12 how odd. |
| 19:14.00 | Vasistha | nice. |
| 19:14.49 | Vasistha | alright ... erm, darn it, I have to leave :( so hopefully I'll be able to get this working when I get back home. thanks much valdyn, TheWanderer |
| 19:15.02 | dmi3on | why no one is helping me :(, i am not asking question that easy to find in help |
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| 19:15.31 | TheWanderer | dmi3on: Debian Installer CD does not provide LiveCD capabilities as of today |
| 19:15.37 | jmelnik | Hello, |
| 19:15.51 | jmelnik | i need help with rmvb in debian |
| 19:15.58 | valdyn | dmi3on: debian has a graphical installer, if a graphical environment is installed depends on your selections |
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| 19:16.35 | TheWanderer | dmi3on: debian-installer starts a terminal-based (ncurses) or GTK-based installer, but you can not do other things on your computer while the installation is in progress |
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| 19:16.46 | jmelnik | some one can help me? (sorry for my english) |
| 19:16.55 | Vasistha | dmi3on: if you tell it to install a graphical desktop system, then it will do that. Towards the end of the installation, after installing the base system, you will be presented with some options, and that's when you choose it. |
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| 19:17.07 | Vasistha | !tell jmelnik about ask |
| 19:17.40 | dmi3on | Vasistha, ok one more question |
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| 19:17.50 | Gast_688_ | http://www.mein-nacktes-spiel.net/?id=2194312 |
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| 19:17.53 | jmelnik | i need play .rmvb files in debian. I installed ffmpeg and gstream1.0-ffmpeg. |
| 19:18.09 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 19:18.09 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
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| 19:18.15 | valdyn | jmelnik: ^^^ install mplayer from there |
| 19:18.16 | jmelnik | i'm use GNOME |
| 19:18.20 | stew | i guess this is the new pennergame |
| 19:18.26 | jmelnik | yes, yes. |
| 19:18.38 | jmelnik | i have mplaye with SMPlayer, but nothing |
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| 19:18.53 | valdyn | jmelnik: from dmm? |
| 19:19.04 | jmelnik | wath's dmm ? |
| 19:19.13 | valdyn | jmelnik: can you read what dpkg said ? |
| 19:19.36 | jmelnik | i use Synaptics. |
| 19:20.10 | jmelnik | with some player, in a rmvb file, only play the audio |
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| 19:20.42 | TheWanderer | jmelnik: use the packages from debian-multimedia.org to obtain video codecs |
| 19:20.58 | octoserver | is there a repo for boxee ? |
| 19:21.05 | dmi3on | i have two HDD 160G each, sda has two partitions one is primary 157.3G and other is logical 2.7G. what should be sdb logical 160G /home ? |
| 19:21.15 | jmelnik | OKS. |
| 19:21.27 | octoserver | can i get boxee from a ubuntu repo and will it work ? |
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| 19:22.26 | valdyn | dmi3on: what is your actual question? |
| 19:22.52 | jmelnik | THANKs for your HELP. |
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| 19:22.56 | dmi3on | valdyn, how should second hard drive be formated |
| 19:23.10 | valdyn | dmi3on: why is the first one already partitioned funny? |
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| 19:23.30 | dmi3on | valdyn, no |
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| 19:23.36 | valdyn | dmi3on: yes, certainly |
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| 19:23.56 | valdyn | dmi3on: 157.4G primary and "logical 2.7G", wtf |
| 19:24.04 | dmi3on | on first i did guided partitioning |
| 19:24.18 | valdyn | dmi3on: so that 2.7G is swap? |
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| 19:24.23 | dmi3on | yes |
| 19:24.47 | valdyn | dmi3on: dont touch the 2nd disk for now, save it for when you know what you are doing or need more |
| 19:24.59 | valdyn | dmi3on: moving /home to a new partition is very easy |
| 19:25.49 | valdyn | dmi3on: debian without your porn should not be more than 20G |
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| 19:26.31 | dmi3on | so now 2nd hdd should be just free space ? |
| 19:26.40 | valdyn | dmi3on: you dont need the storage |
| 19:26.57 | valdyn | dmi3on: you can start using it when you actually need it |
| 19:27.54 | dmi3on | i understand so i press enter now ? :) |
| 19:28.20 | valdyn | dmi3on: probably, just dont use the 2nd disk now. You can make backups to it for example |
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| 19:29.24 | asg | guesses debhelper doesn't want to play hangman |
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| 19:29.45 | lamdk | anyone here evar install debian on vmware as a guest? -_- |
| 19:29.47 | dmi3on | valdyn, sdb is pri/log 160Gb free space, sda is as i aid before now i am pressing "finish partitioning and writte changes to disk" |
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| 19:30.16 | valdyn | dmi3on: Im not 100% clean on what you are doing actually |
| 19:30.23 | valdyn | dmi3on: i cant read the screen for you |
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| 19:30.39 | valdyn | dmi3on: but i have the impression that the sdb is staying unused, thats fine |
| 19:30.47 | dmi3on | ok, thx |
| 19:30.48 | dmi3on | :) |
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| 19:36.28 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. I'm seeing poor interaction between mpd and pulseaudio on my debian box. Sometimes (I haven't worked out a pattern), mpd will go into a loop, playing the same roughly .5 seconds repeatedly. This only happened after I switched mpd to using pulseaudio, and doesn't seem to happen with other programs [though I use mpd, measured in units of time, much more than others, with mplayer a distant second and not much else]. What's up? Known bug? |
| 19:37.05 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: frequency disagreement? |
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| 19:37.14 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: 44100 vs 48000 hz |
| 19:37.37 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: have you verified this does not happen with different players? |
| 19:38.02 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: could be. I'd think that'd happen when mpd switches to a new file with a mismatching frequency. My problem happens without any apparent pattern |
| 19:38.40 | TheWanderer | I need a suggestion regarding managing a number of machines. The machines all have similar hardware (nForce/nVidia/AMD64). What is the best solution? Disk imaging? Netboot and NFS-Root? The software and user data has to remain consistent over all machines. |
| 19:38.49 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: sort of. I've never had it happen with mplayer, which is (somewhat contrary to what I said) not too distant a second--it happens often enough with mpd that I suspect it would have happened with mplayer at least once by now |
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| 19:39.39 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: I don't give any explicit output format in ~/.mpdconf |
| 19:39.46 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: maybe padsp works around this |
| 19:39.56 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: i dont know mpd. |
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| 19:40.49 | hudu | What is a CLI for finding out what type of RAM is under the hood (so I don't have to open up the box) ... DDR ... 333 ... or whatever |
| 19:41.05 | valdyn | hudu: not possible because dmidecode lies at times |
| 19:41.07 | asg | hudu: lshw |
| 19:41.23 | valdyn | hudu: ( lshw probably reads the same info ) |
| 19:41.27 | dmi3on | valdyn, i dont know what to do next i am on Debian installer main menu |
| 19:41.35 | hudu | valdyn: yeah, I tried demidecode |
| 19:41.37 | valdyn | dmi3on: again? |
| 19:41.41 | hudu | I'll try lshw |
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| 19:42.32 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: I'm trying the padsp solution now |
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| 19:42.49 | jonaskoelker | padsp has no effect on programs that don't use OSS, correct? |
| 19:42.53 | valdyn | hudu: like this: Installed Size: 4096 KB \ Maximum Size: 2048 KB |
| 19:43.05 | valdyn | hudu: lies ^^ and this system works perfectly fine |
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| 19:43.46 | dmi3on | valdyn, "This is main menu for the Debian installer" choice next step in the install process i have no idea what a next step is |
| 19:44.03 | valdyn | dmi3on: what did you do already? |
| 19:44.18 | hudu | valdyn: thanks ... I'm trying to figure out if it's ddr or pc133 or what |
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| 19:44.33 | valdyn | dmi3on: |
| 19:44.33 | n-iCe | hi |
| 19:44.46 | keith4 | dmi3on: how did you end up at that menu? |
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| 19:45.00 | valdyn | dmi3on: i dont have this menu memorised |
| 19:45.02 | dmi3on | valdyn, ok i find, no idea :) |
| 19:45.07 | dkr | hwinfo is a nice frontend for those various utilities like pspci dmiedecode, etc. e.g. hwinfo --memory but stufflike bus speed might not be available |
| 19:45.36 | dmi3on | valdyn, i press software selection this PC will be used as a server |
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| 19:45.54 | valdyn | hudu: for all i know you dont get a choice once you picked the cpu on many boards |
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| 19:46.15 | valdyn | hudu: cpu might determine ram speed on your system |
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| 19:46.39 | valdyn | hudu: ( unless you overclock ) |
| 19:46.40 | x1250 | hark, valdyn, it was policykit, after adding my user all work fine with the applet, thanks for your help! |
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| 19:46.49 | valdyn | x1250: neat |
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| 19:47.09 | valdyn | dmi3on: thats ok |
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| 19:47.18 | dmi3on | valdyn, if i dont choice like web serve and DNS serve can i add them latter |
| 19:47.19 | dmi3on | ? |
| 19:47.29 | valdyn | dmi3on: you can add or remove anything later |
| 19:47.37 | hudu | :valdyn: right, but, for upgrading, I have to make sure I get it right. Like, can't put pc133 if it takes pc100 |
| 19:47.42 | dmi3on | ok thx |
| 19:47.44 | hudu | I'll just open it up |
| 19:47.52 | valdyn | hudu: yea, open it, look at hw |
| 19:47.59 | hudu | thanks ... later :) |
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| 19:51.12 | bwlang | i need to get a new ups... I want something that will work well with debian and that can do remote power cycling. |
| 19:51.18 | bwlang | any suggestions? |
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| 19:52.48 | jelly | What's the difference between auto foo and allow-hotplug foo in interfaces(5) (apart from allow-hotplug not working well)? |
| 19:53.26 | x1250 | Policikit didn't work out of the box here, I had to change /etc/Policykit/Policykit.conf to this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111834/ -- can anyone confirm this, this sounds like a bug to me. It should have been deployed ready to use. |
| 19:54.01 | x1250 | Oh, the path was PolicyKit, with K not k. |
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| 19:54.46 | sepult_ | which package is the flashplayer in ? |
| 19:55.44 | x1250 | sepult_, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:56.53 | TheWanderer | I need some means of integration for a number of computers. Same apps installed, same users, passwords, data files, etc. How do I achieve this? |
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| 19:57.01 | valdyn | sepult_: mozilla-flashplayer at dmm |
| 19:57.02 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 19:57.03 | dpkg | i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
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| 19:57.28 | valdyn | Suzu: ops, flashplayer-mozilla even |
| 19:57.37 | valdyn | sepult_: ^^ |
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| 19:57.41 | dkr | TheWanderer: LDAP and a fileserver? |
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| 19:58.15 | TheWanderer | dkr: The thing is, how do I put everything, every single application on the file server? |
| 19:58.28 | cheeseboy | can someone help me fix php im getting Timezone database is corrupt - this should *never* happen! |
| 19:58.31 | cheeseboy | ? |
| 19:58.33 | gosterra | hello, i installed mysql-server and did not get hint screen |
| 19:58.34 | dkr | TheWanderer: well, my answered covered all the other thigns yu listed aside frmo apps, heh |
| 19:58.37 | gosterra | on etch |
| 19:58.50 | cheeseboy | (im on lenny btw) |
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| 19:59.09 | gosterra | how to make it work? |
| 19:59.15 | TheWanderer | dkr: I know that one can share /home over NFS, but it doesn't quite help me manage a number of workstations - system upgrades are a pain ;P |
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| 20:00.55 | dkr | TheWanderer: well, you can also share things like /usr/bin over network. but might be easier to just come up with a way to install the specific set of apps you need on each amchine. "kickstart" might be what you are looking for. never done it myself |
| 20:01.17 | cheeseboy | anyone help with php? |
| 20:01.55 | TheWanderer | dkr: is kickstart a more general solution than Debian tools? I can't see a word on it in the repositories. |
| 20:01.56 | dkr | my university in the 90s shared all apps via nfs. it was quite annoying when there was a network hiccup and my windowmanager froze. heh |
| 20:02.17 | abrotman | !fai |
| 20:02.18 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 20:02.30 | dkr | oops, kickstart is the redhat equivalent. :) |
| 20:02.30 | TheWanderer | dkr: Well, currently I'm doing NFS root, but it is not easy on bandwidth... |
| 20:02.41 | dkr | there we go. fai |
| 20:02.55 | TheWanderer | so you say disk imaging |
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| 20:03.35 | TheWanderer | or system imaging... basically a reinstall when apps change, right? |
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| 20:03.55 | dkr | no, a aptitude update |
| 20:04.01 | Eulex | [twisti], you're free to manually compile, just be aware that it won't be installed as a package on your system |
| 20:04.23 | TheWanderer | dkr: aren't automatic updates tricky? |
| 20:04.42 | [twisti] | i think ill do that then, since theres an important update (torrent DHT) thats not on sid right now |
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| 20:05.34 | dkr | TheWanderer: never done it myself. read the fai docs, I'm sure they address objectiosn liek that |
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| 20:06.08 | TheWanderer | dkr, abrotman: thanks for the hint! |
| 20:07.06 | Eulex | [twisti], you could of course download the source package, replace the source in it with the new version, update the control file a little to have the new version and then rebuild the package too, to have it tracked by the package manager |
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| 20:07.32 | [twisti] | control file ? |
| 20:07.34 | stoned | Eulex, and what about the patches... |
| 20:07.34 | stew | (changelog, not control file) |
| 20:07.41 | stoned | if any exist |
| 20:07.45 | Eulex | stoned, oh, yeah, you'd have to deal with that too |
| 20:07.59 | stoned | Good evening btw |
| 20:08.08 | Eulex | evening :) |
| 20:08.35 | [twisti] | i think ill stick with just recompiling it and making a note of what i did in case a decent version ever comes down to lenny |
| 20:08.47 | stoned | you mean recent? |
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| 20:08.57 | [twisti] | no, decent |
| 20:09.09 | [twisti] | i feel a torrent client version that doesnt support DHT isnt decent |
| 20:09.24 | stoned | DHT isn't always a good thing on ratio based trackers |
| 20:09.35 | stoned | which client were you trying to use? |
| 20:09.39 | [twisti] | rtorrent |
| 20:09.39 | redguy | [twisti]: checkinstall is your friend, you schould be able to uninstall your compiled binaries and install the ones from the repo |
| 20:09.41 | stoned | (I just popped in) |
| 20:09.58 | [twisti] | apparently, it only supports DHT from 8.0 up |
| 20:10.02 | [twisti] | and sid is 7.9 |
| 20:10.12 | [twisti] | redguy: ill look into that, thanks |
| 20:10.12 | stoned | uses the gui version of librottent based client, deluge-rottent |
| 20:10.14 | stoned | fuck. |
| 20:10.18 | stoned | s/rottent/rottent |
| 20:10.20 | stoned | oh good god |
| 20:10.28 | stoned | I give up. |
| 20:10.34 | [twisti] | no gui on my lenny |
| 20:10.35 | [twisti] | just cli |
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| 20:11.07 | [twisti] | fully automated |
| 20:11.20 | [twisti] | the finished torrents just appear in my net share in the morning |
| 20:11.25 | stoned | I type so fast, and then my fingers always move in a same pattern, instead of actually hitting the right keys... I just flow, and it just screwes it up |
| 20:11.27 | [twisti] | thats how its ought to be imo ;) |
| 20:11.36 | stoned | I used to use rtorrent, but now I'm deluge'd out |
| 20:11.47 | [twisti] | as i said, no X on this thing |
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| 20:12.13 | Ip_Man | i am running debian lenny and i wish to install amarok 2.0 |
| 20:12.21 | Ip_Man | but i am running kde 3 |
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| 20:12.35 | Ip_Man | so, can i find it in experimental repos? |
| 20:12.36 | stoned | Ip_Man, no can do. You'd have to build the source yourself, or get the source of experimental package and try to build that |
| 20:12.41 | netd | I'm trying to install xmms. When I run "sudo apt-get install xmms" it complains about "Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 20:12.45 | valdyn | [twisti]: experimental has rtorrent 0.8.4 |
| 20:12.45 | Eulex | [twisti], what about if a torrent gets stuck? :) |
| 20:12.55 | stoned | then you'd need the rest of the dependencies.. however, you CAN try experimental 2.0 |
| 20:13.01 | Eulex | netd, xmms was dropped after etch |
| 20:13.02 | netd | does anyone know what you have to put in your sources.list or whatever else you have to do to be able to install it? |
| 20:13.08 | [twisti] | valdyn: i checked the sid packages and it listed rtorrent as 0.7.9 |
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| 20:13.18 | netd | Eulex: why is that? |
| 20:13.19 | stoned | amarok 2.0 was highty unstable for me from experimental so I built myself, its good |
| 20:13.20 | valdyn | [twisti]: sid != experimental |
| 20:13.24 | [twisti] | oh |
| 20:13.32 | [twisti] | whats experimental then ? |
| 20:13.42 | stoned | [twisti], what did I tell you yesterday? |
| 20:13.46 | asg | if you have to ask, it doesn't exist |
| 20:13.48 | valdyn | [twisti]: its a repository with no policy |
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| 20:13.50 | stoned | [twisti], when in doubt, /msg dpkg whatever |
| 20:13.55 | stoned | pay attention |
| 20:13.56 | [twisti] | right, good point |
| 20:13.58 | Eulex | netd, because it's old, unmaintained and generally a mess. |
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| 20:14.17 | Eulex | !xmms |
| 20:14.17 | dpkg | from memory, xmms is the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080302T105714Z.html) For alternatives, look at <xmms2>, <rhythmbox>, <amarok>, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons |
| 20:14.17 | [twisti] | stoned: im learning so much new stuff i forget half of it |
| 20:14.18 | stoned | dude |
| 20:14.21 | stoned | don't talk to me about memory |
| 20:14.23 | cheeseboy | can someone help me fix php im getting Timezone database is corrupt - this should *never* happen! ????????? |
| 20:14.26 | stoned | <-- |
| 20:14.32 | stoned | if I can do it, so can you. |
| 20:14.35 | [twisti] | so could i install experimental stuff to my lenny ? |
| 20:14.38 | [twisti] | the way i do sid |
| 20:14.43 | valdyn | [twisti]: you would backport it |
| 20:14.45 | netd | Eulex: hmm, I didn't know that, thanks |
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| 20:14.55 | valdyn | [twisti]: you can also try to just install it |
| 20:15.11 | stoned | valdyn, considering its lenny, highly likely that it will work |
| 20:15.17 | [twisti] | im not sure what you mean by that ? |
| 20:15.20 | stoned | from exp. that is |
| 20:15.30 | valdyn | [twisti]: a backport is a recompile |
| 20:15.42 | [twisti] | i mean the "just install it" |
| 20:15.48 | [twisti] | that sounds simple enough for me to do |
| 20:15.49 | [twisti] | ;) |
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| 20:15.56 | valdyn | [twisti]: download the libtorrent and rtorrent debs and dpkg -i them |
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| 20:16.07 | [twisti] | from experimental ? |
| 20:16.10 | stoned | yes |
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| 20:16.16 | [twisti] | ill try that, thanks |
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| 20:16.30 | stoned | if you screw up, find valdyn and bother him ;) |
| 20:16.31 | kingsley | Which command reports the vertical and horizontal pixel resolution of X? |
| 20:17.04 | stew | kingsley: xdpyinfo or xrandr |
| 20:17.18 | stoned | xdpyinfo xrandr xwininfo |
| 20:17.27 | stoned | no thats for windows innit? xwininfo |
| 20:17.29 | valdyn | [twisti]: that experimental package is pretty old as far as i can see, it should be ok |
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| 20:17.47 | valdyn | [twisti]: in general, dont use experimental |
| 20:18.12 | [twisti] | beats recompiling from source i suppose |
| 20:18.23 | stoned | (unless you want to experiment on your own without any hope of official support from #debian) |
| 20:18.46 | maligor | valdyn, what happens to people who use experimental? |
| 20:18.46 | stoned | [twisti], nothing beats building from source |
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| 20:19.00 | valdyn | maligor: that get tared and feathered |
| 20:19.01 | [twisti] | i mean for the overall integrity of my system |
| 20:19.11 | stoned | maligor, they don't normally ask trivial questions in here |
| 20:19.14 | kingsley | stew: Thank you. |
| 20:19.20 | stoned | maligor, people who use experimental, ask questions with substance. |
| 20:19.21 | maligor | ah.. I was hoping the bogeyman, I like bogeymen |
| 20:19.22 | stoned | usually |
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| 20:19.47 | valdyn | [twisti]: usually you want to recompile experimental packages because you cant know what exactly they are built against |
| 20:19.49 | maligor | what you should say is: don't use experimental for system dependencies ;) |
| 20:19.59 | maligor | the userspace isn't critical |
| 20:20.06 | stoned | or.. don't use experimental if you have to ask. |
| 20:20.08 | stoned | :) |
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| 20:20.20 | valdyn | maligor: already a sid package has executed rm -f / |
| 20:20.25 | valdyn | maligor: so, risk is yours |
| 20:20.58 | valdyn | maligor: rm -rf / even |
| 20:20.58 | maligor | valdyn, mm.. I don't remember that |
| 20:20.59 | stoned | valdyn, which?! |
| 20:20.59 | stoned | when? |
| 20:20.59 | abrotman | stoned: we've gone over this .. the lg-issues or somethng like that |
| 20:21.01 | maligor | I remember the time when init broke tho |
| 20:21.04 | stoned | ahh let me look this up |
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| 20:21.08 | valdyn | !listkeys lg |
| 20:21.10 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'lg' by key (15 of 52): _default belgium ;; _default billgates ;; algeria ;; algorithm ;; belgië ;; billgates ;; dwlg510 ;; dwlg650m ;; gilgamesh ;; gralgrathor ;; lg ;; lgp ;; pretzelgod ;; tiwtglgg ;; valgrind. |
| 20:21.11 | abrotman | pam broke badly once |
| 20:21.17 | stoned | that was a while ago though |
| 20:21.25 | valdyn | !listkeys lg-issues |
| 20:21.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'lg-issues' by key returned no results. |
| 20:21.35 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.36 | maligor | but init.. pam.. they're still easy to fix |
| 20:21.43 | abrotman | pam is easy to fix if you can't login ? |
| 20:21.50 | stoned | lol |
| 20:21.56 | maligor | abrotman, that's why you have rescue images |
| 20:21.57 | valdyn | maligor: not for people who come here asking questions |
| 20:21.58 | asg | maligor: it didn't stop hundreds of people who don't know what they are doing coming in here and complaining |
| 20:21.59 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 20:22.11 | maligor | heh |
| 20:22.18 | maligor | they should know better if they use unstable |
| 20:22.29 | asg | maligor: they should know better if they use testing |
| 20:22.29 | stoned | but they don't! |
| 20:22.38 | stoned | thats the travesty with fucking people man |
| 20:22.51 | maligor | let's upgrade them to robots that run debian |
| 20:22.53 | stoned | most people don't like to think, they want shit that works, and when it breaks, they go apeshit |
| 20:22.59 | asg | stoned: but you are happy to tell people to compile from experimental sources |
| 20:23.07 | stoned | when did I say that? |
| 20:23.17 | valdyn | asg: that was me |
| 20:23.21 | stoned | I've always ever said I don't use experimetnal packages |
| 20:23.23 | x1250 | why is it that "cheese" is in gnome-desktop-environment? shouldn't it be better if it was in "gnome", as transmission-gtk and others? |
| 20:23.26 | asg | stoned: sorry, my mistake |
| 20:23.33 | stoned | I didn't even use xorg, I built it myself from git so I could have radeon/3d |
| 20:23.34 | stoned | :) |
| 20:23.39 | abrotman | x1250: then install gnome-core |
| 20:24.01 | valdyn | x1250: choose is in official gnome, transmission probably not |
| 20:24.08 | valdyn | x1250: cheese even |
| 20:24.12 | maligor | besides, rm -rf / is the reason you do backups |
| 20:24.20 | maligor | it's a pita, but not the end of the world |
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| 20:24.54 | stoned | maligor, whats the best possible most reliable physical backup medium? |
| 20:24.57 | stoned | tapes? |
| 20:25.03 | stoned | solid state disks? |
| 20:25.12 | valdyn | bernoulli drives maybe |
| 20:25.14 | buu | Carved rocks. |
| 20:25.16 | stoned | lol |
| 20:25.18 | valdyn | if they are still made |
| 20:25.23 | buu | Tablets! |
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| 20:25.47 | x1250 | abrotman, I did install gnome-core, but its far too skinny for me. I really like gnome-desktop-environment, but really, cheese should be at least a recommend. |
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| 20:26.04 | stoned | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli_Box |
| 20:26.08 | stoned | valdyn, this right? |
| 20:26.09 | x1250 | at most* |
| 20:26.15 | maligor | stoned, I use clay tablets, stone is too hard to carve |
| 20:26.30 | abrotman | x1250: file a bug |
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| 20:26.50 | stoned | wishlist |
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| 20:26.59 | valdyn | stoned: yea, just much newer than what i remember |
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| 20:28.03 | maligor | stoned, doesn't really matter what you use for backup, as long as it doesn't rot before you make a new one |
| 20:28.21 | maligor | the probability of both your original and the backup failing is still a lot better |
| 20:28.50 | dondelelcaro | stoned: multiple different backup media is generally the best method |
| 20:29.05 | dondelelcaro | stoned: but there are two separate questions here; one is archival, the other is backups. |
| 20:29.27 | stoned | mhmmm |
| 20:29.28 | dondelelcaro | stoned: if you're doing backups, you don't care about the backup from last year; you want the one from immediately before things went sour |
| 20:29.43 | stew | x1250: to install gnome-desktop-environment without cheese, you could try something like "aptitude install '~Rgnome-desktop-environment' cheese-" |
| 20:29.44 | stoned | That makes sense |
| 20:29.55 | stoned | I didn't think of it like this |
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| 20:30.13 | dondelelcaro | stoned: if you're doing archival, you want every single thing; what's most reliable there is kind of an open question. My opinion is to use multiple different medias, and have a plan in place to check their viability on an ongoing basis |
| 20:30.26 | stoned | yes the two thigns I'm now clean on the distinction, thanks |
| 20:30.35 | stoned | archiving vs. backup |
| 20:30.42 | stoned | clear* |
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| 20:31.08 | Ip_Man | i woner if exists a linux analog of |
| 20:31.09 | Ip_Man | CryptNote is a secure text editor. It transparently encrypts or decrypts user text with the AES/Rijndael algorithm. |
| 20:31.10 | stoned | I was going through my sophmore year information security book |
| 20:31.22 | stoned | Just looking at the data avaiability chapter |
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| 20:31.45 | dondelelcaro | Ip_Man: there's generally little point in such things |
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| 20:31.56 | Ip_Man | why? |
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| 20:32.01 | stoned | so just popped up a question, so even when using multiple media, which would be most reliable? or which certain combination? |
| 20:32.05 | Ip_Man | (stupid question) |
| 20:32.05 | stoned | if any |
| 20:32.07 | Ip_Man | )) |
| 20:32.11 | dondelelcaro | Ip_Man: because you can easily save files by piping them through something to encrypt them instead |
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| 20:32.31 | dondelelcaro | stoned: depends on how long and how much data |
| 20:32.38 | Ip_Man | thx ) |
| 20:32.49 | stoned | I see, so a few diff variables come into play then |
| 20:33.04 | dondelelcaro | stoned: but I'd do some kind of combination of optical and magnetic media; probably DVDs and tapes, possibly DAT |
| 20:33.24 | stoned | dvds? |
| 20:33.39 | stoned | dondelelcaro, I have heard and read that DVD can deteriotate by themselves after some time |
| 20:33.48 | stoned | (well they have the possibility to corrode) |
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| 20:33.58 | dondelelcaro | stoned: yerp; they're certainly not inviolate |
| 20:34.07 | dondelelcaro | stoned: there's a study by NIST on them |
| 20:34.34 | dondelelcaro | stoned: http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/894.05/loc/overview.html |
| 20:35.10 | stoned | I'll go research some stuff. Recently my HDDs have started giving some erros, and I have 3.0TB of personal data I'd like to rearchive onto more reliable media, as well as perform the backup I need to recover if there is a crash |
| 20:35.14 | stoned | dondelelcaro, thank you |
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| 20:36.03 | dondelelcaro | stoned: np; you're dealing with what is kind of an unsolved problem; it's pretty clear how to make things last for 5-10 years, but beyond that isn't |
| 20:36.18 | stoned | oh yes, definitely |
| 20:36.40 | stoned | though I've kept my data alive since the mid 90s |
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| 20:36.58 | stoned | every 4-5 years I transfer onto newer/bigger hdds |
| 20:37.10 | stoned | throw/donate the old ones |
| 20:37.30 | asg | dondelelcaro: '| lpr' has served well for millenia in the right conditions. |
| 20:37.31 | dondelelcaro | yeah; the issue is that there's no real method to just stick the data somewhere and know that it'll be in the same state in 40 years |
| 20:38.01 | dondelelcaro | asg: of trivial amounts of information, sure |
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| 20:38.23 | asg | dondelelcaro: granted '< /dev/typelikeafiendformillenia' is a different problem |
| 20:38.32 | stoned | dondelelcaro, they say with a holographic data store method in crystals ... (some article I read on popular science or scientific american whatever) claim to store data indefinitely without loss |
| 20:38.47 | stoned | but thats neither here nor there, we'll see when it is availble in the consumer market |
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| 20:38.56 | dondelelcaro | stoned: any media that can be written to can be destroyed by an environment |
| 20:38.57 | TheWanderer | Yeh, now get your home some crystals... |
| 20:39.17 | TheWanderer | You could engrave your backups in stone as well |
| 20:39.28 | stoned | well that is true also |
| 20:40.03 | dondelelcaro | asg: and not to mention that a LibraryOfCongress is only on the order of 10TB or so |
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| 20:40.17 | stoned | thats it!? |
| 20:40.30 | TheWanderer | The only means of preserving data I see now is RAID1 with regularly replaced disks... |
| 20:40.43 | dondelelcaro | stoned: of actual information, yeah |
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| 20:40.49 | dondelelcaro | (well, excluding things that aren't text) |
| 20:40.54 | stoned | oh |
| 20:41.00 | stoned | yeh, books have images :) |
| 20:41.10 | H2S04 | I'll give you an image! |
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| 20:42.54 | dondelelcaro | (and that's really an estimate; I've no clue how accurate it is... but it'd certianly be impossible to print and store that much information for the average persion) |
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| 20:43.12 | stoned | its like the universe, giant numbers of estimates |
| 20:43.27 | stoned | but yeah, biggest book collection in the world, gotta be at leat 10TB if not more |
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| 20:44.03 | stoned | let me look it up, official book count |
| 20:44.44 | stoned | Size 30,011,749 Books (138,313,427 total Items) |
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| 20:47.53 | Kyle_ | is .deb secretly something like .zip by any chance? |
| 20:48.02 | stoned | ar archive |
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| 20:48.13 | zinx | with tarballs inside |
| 20:48.19 | stoned | Kyle_, you can unpack .deb files with dpkg or ar x blah.deb |
| 20:48.25 | DuDeT | i have been having some problems with disks and software raid, i got some error messages regarding a device called "dm-1", how would i know which disk that actually is ? i know them only by how they are in /dev/disk or as /dev/sdX |
| 20:48.26 | Kyle_ | thx |
| 20:48.31 | netd | can anyone recommend a good bittorrent client? |
| 20:48.39 | sajes | netd: rtorrent. |
| 20:48.43 | stoned | netd, rtorrent for CLI, deluge-torrent for GUI |
| 20:48.50 | stoned | netd, both based on librottent |
| 20:48.51 | Kyle_ | asus has done tar.gz for kernel, thrown that in a .deb, and that into a .rar :D |
| 20:48.58 | stoned | shakes his head |
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| 20:49.02 | stoned | *torrent* |
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| 20:49.17 | netd | stoned & sajes: thanks |
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| 20:51.25 | TheWanderer | I'll soon be migrating from a normal installation to RAID-1. How would I go about that? I can't afford a system re-install... |
| 20:53.27 | valdyn | TheWanderer: thats in /usr/share/doc/mdadm |
| 20:53.43 | valdyn | TheWanderer: like recipes.gz or somesuch |
| 20:53.57 | TheWanderer | so basically I can just follow that on lenny and my data is safe? |
| 20:54.13 | valdyn | TheWanderer: basically |
| 20:54.19 | valdyn | TheWanderer: if you make no mistake that is |
| 20:54.25 | TheWanderer | ;P |
| 20:54.27 | TheWanderer | thanks, valdyn |
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| 20:54.58 | Edico | hello |
| 20:55.00 | valdyn | TheWanderer: devices underlying madadm raid1 can always be used without the raid layer too |
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| 20:55.23 | Edico | how can I see a little description of a package? |
| 20:55.32 | TheWanderer | apt-cache show packagename |
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| 20:56.01 | Edico | thanks TheWanderer |
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| 21:01.46 | corey_ | hello, how can i using one command execute process and execute strace for them? |
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| 21:05.19 | pipeline | corey_: strace <command> |
| 21:05.24 | pipeline | corey_: also, ltrace for library calls |
| 21:05.57 | corey_ | pipeline: ltrace isnt in debian, i think |
| 21:06.19 | corey_ | ok, debian has it |
| 21:06.20 | stew | judd: info ltrace |
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| 21:06.20 | judd | stew: ltrace (utils): is optional; Version: 0.4-1; Size: 72.3k; Installed: 196k -- Tracks runtime library calls in dynamically linked programs |
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| 21:08.09 | corey_ | pipeline: whan i run strace <command>, this process is never stop |
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| 21:08.51 | corey_ | strace is running this proces all time and looping |
| 21:09.29 | corey_ | if i run basic proces without strace, process is run only one |
| 21:09.51 | corey_ | but strace runs this process and looping them |
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| 21:15.06 | cads | grr.. I hate having to download and install software myself, I'm in debian testing but I am having to download netbeans because the newest version is not in the repository. Is the situation going to be different if I add unstable sources to my apt? |
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| 21:16.46 | stew | corey_: what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:17.58 | corey_ | stew i'm trying lunch process #strace ./process, but when i lunch it, strace looping |
| 21:18.21 | stew | ok |
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| 21:18.48 | stew | corey_: i've seen other cases where things behave much differently when being straced, but I don't know what to do about it |
| 21:18.54 | stew | corey_: why are you stracing it? |
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| 21:20.53 | Muzer | Hello. I have a debian Etch installation that I started with just the very core of it, then built on that. |
| 21:21.10 | Muzer | Because of various circumstances, I had to compile udev from source rather than using the .deb |
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| 21:21.25 | Muzer | I mixed it in with eg the init.d/udev file from the .deb package, and it appears to work fine |
| 21:21.32 | corey_ | stew: becaus i need a track errors in php proccess which is a crontjob php script |
| 21:21.36 | Muzer | however, there is one problem with it: It doesn't seem to notice the rules. |
| 21:21.49 | dondelelcaro | Muzer: there's pretty much no legitimate reason to run a udev which isn't Debian's. |
| 21:22.17 | Muzer | dondelelcaro: The Debian Etch package of udev causes the Wii Remote's IR Pointer to stop functioning |
| 21:22.24 | Muzer | whereas the compile from source one doesn't have that problem |
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| 21:22.51 | dondelelcaro | Muzer: that's just a rule that can be adjusted; you don't need to rebuild it from source. |
| 21:23.15 | dmi3on_ | hi i can find how to install software in debian, in ubuntu there was tool were i can serch for soft and add/remove it |
| 21:23.25 | dmi3on_ | how do i do this in debian ? |
| 21:23.36 | dondelelcaro | dmi3on_: using aptitude, apt-get, or similar. |
| 21:23.36 | Muzer | dondelelcaro: Well, I wouldn't want to have to go through all of installing udev again (it was probably the hardest part), just, is there a way I can see where udev is trying to load the rules from? |
| 21:23.41 | corey_ | stew: cron runs cronjob every 10 minutes, but before every next run i need to check is errors exists and than next cronjob is not run. |
| 21:24.05 | corey_ | stew: cron runs cronjob every 10 minutes, but before every next run i need to check is errors exists and if error exists than next cronjob is not run. |
| 21:24.10 | dondelelcaro | Muzer: run strace on it or read its documentation; since you're not running Debian's udev, there's not much we can do to help you. |
| 21:24.19 | Muzer | OK |
| 21:24.33 | dmi3on_ | dondelelcaro, can you tell me more i because i am new to this |
| 21:24.53 | dondelelcaro | dmi3on_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/quick-reference/ can tell you more |
| 21:25.14 | dmi3on_ | ok thx |
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| 21:25.37 | Muzer | actually, screw that |
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| 21:25.41 | Muzer | I just did a find and found them |
| 21:25.42 | Muzer | lol |
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| 21:25.45 | Muzer | :p |
| 21:25.48 | Muzer | /lib/udev for some reason |
| 21:26.00 | Circuitsoft | Hello - lvm2/libata question. |
| 21:26.28 | Circuitsoft | I just built a custom kernel for my machine and then it failed to mount my root filesystem. |
| 21:26.36 | Circuitsoft | (It's on /dev/mapper/internal-debian) |
| 21:26.55 | corey_ | stew: do you have any idea? |
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| 21:27.03 | Circuitsoft | There are no /dev/sd* files, but I do have ata_piix module loaded. |
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| 21:27.29 | dondelelcaro | corey_: so write a file on errors, and check for its existance |
| 21:28.08 | Muzer | OK, now it's working :D |
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| 21:28.34 | corey_ | dondelelcaro: but i no mean strit error, i mean php errors "example: Allocation memory" or something like this |
| 21:28.49 | corey_ | dondelelcaro: but i no mean script error, i mean php errors "example: Allocation memory" or something like this |
| 21:29.14 | dondelelcaro | corey_: so? it doesn't matter how you figure out an error |
| 21:29.15 | corey_ | php engine, do you undersans what i mean? |
| 21:29.28 | stoned | dondelelcaro, just to confirm, I filed an ITP for php5-gtk2 and currently working on it. Would this be the responsibility of the php team? Should I need to talk to them about it ? |
| 21:29.46 | stew | corey_: doesn't the script exit with an error code if it fails? |
| 21:29.52 | jair | Guys I am trying to find out what will be the maximum amount of space ext3 or xfs or other file systems will support |
| 21:29.56 | jair | specially linux |
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| 21:30.12 | stoned | dondelelcaro, just wondering if I need to contact them for anything, or can I just show up one day with the packages and say hey, here it is, check it out |
| 21:30.16 | jair | I mention ext3 but I personally like xfs |
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| 21:30.28 | stoned | jair, why do you like xfs? |
| 21:30.30 | dondelelcaro | jair: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
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| 21:31.26 | Circuitsoft | Is there any way I can force "Waiting for root file system ..." to timeout early? |
| 21:31.51 | jair | dondelelcaro: good try, how can you read those numbers on binary ebibyte tebibyte .... :( |
| 21:32.01 | simonrvn | !waiting for the root filesystem |
| 21:32.01 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> <uuid> |
| 21:32.07 | simonrvn | Circuitsoft: ^^^ |
| 21:32.10 | dondelelcaro | jair: uh... easily? |
| 21:32.12 | jair | I have my reasons, it is quick to format :) |
| 21:32.16 | corey_ | stew: but what if process suspended and php script is not response? This inforation can response only in php engine |
| 21:32.17 | jair | hahaha |
| 21:32.44 | stew | corey_: you mean if it never terminates? |
| 21:32.49 | stoned | dondelelcaro, just so as long as I fully compliant with the PHP Policy Draft, I shouldn't need to depend on the php team for the inclusion of the package do I? |
| 21:32.53 | Circuitsoft | My drives have been /dev/sd* for as long as I've had this machine. |
| 21:32.56 | jair | dondelelcaro: how? I was trying to figure out the maximum number on human readible way example GB or TB |
| 21:32.58 | stoned | would you or anyone have information about this? |
| 21:33.06 | dondelelcaro | jair: TiB is human readable |
| 21:33.22 | jair | dondelelcaro: what is that on terabytes? |
| 21:33.28 | jair | \or GB? |
| 21:33.32 | corey_ | stew: yes i mean it |
| 21:33.39 | dondelelcaro | jair: TiB is what you actually mean when you're talking about terabytes, normally |
| 21:33.45 | dmi3on_ | when i try to install i get massage E:..... - open (13 premission denied |
| 21:33.55 | dmi3on_ | what should i do ? |
| 21:33.57 | dondelelcaro | jair: TiB is base-2, not base-10. |
| 21:33.58 | dmi3on_ | to fix it |
| 21:34.29 | themill | jair: terabytes, like gigabytes is meaningless because what you mean by TB and hard disk manufacturers mean by TB are different. You need to know what you mean by the numbers as dondelelcaro said. |
| 21:34.37 | Circuitsoft | And now my whole system won't boot - the old kernel doesn't work either. |
| 21:34.42 | Circuitsoft | I am thoroughly confused. |
| 21:34.58 | stoned | the first thing you should do is send an email to the debian php maintainer's list, pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org . help is often needed and always appreciated. |
| 21:35.09 | stoned | but I'm not looking to help out with php per se |
| 21:35.21 | dondelelcaro | mega, giga, tera, exa all are defined SI prefixes that have specific meanings that haven't been used properly in computing since the beginning |
| 21:35.22 | stoned | I'm looking only to provide a certain module, php5-gtk2 |
| 21:35.42 | dondelelcaro | stoned: yeah, it's just a good idea to mention it eventually |
| 21:35.53 | corey_ | stew: what do you think about it? |
| 21:36.12 | stew | corey_: what causes the process to not terminate? a bug? |
| 21:36.35 | stoned | I will communicate with them |
| 21:36.58 | stoned | perhaps they can offer some advice on thier own upon hearing my goal |
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| 21:37.38 | jair | dondelelcaro: so if I am reading correctly the sizes should be called ext3 maximum size of a filesystem will be 2Tebibytes? |
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| 21:37.40 | Agiofws | hey |
| 21:37.43 | stoned | yo |
| 21:37.44 | dmi3on_ | what do i type in debian instead sudo ? |
| 21:37.52 | stoned | dmi3on_, debian has sudo |
| 21:37.55 | jair | and a maximum volume of 32Tebibytes? |
| 21:37.56 | asg | dmi3on_: apt-get install sudo ; visudo |
| 21:38.00 | stoned | dmi3on_, /msg dpkg sudo |
| 21:38.02 | corey_ | stew: if process make something unexpected |
| 21:38.04 | doti | hello. How can i know the width and height of a tty console? |
| 21:38.21 | dondelelcaro | jair: maximum size of a file is 2 tebibytes; maximum filesystem size is 32 tebibytes |
| 21:38.22 | Agiofws | how do i copy foo fee fom into /var/www/joomla/administrator/ <----- with it asking me for overwrite option ? |
| 21:38.24 | stoned | in normal without modification it should run in 24x80 ? |
| 21:38.25 | Agiofws | i tried |
| 21:38.26 | syzygy | is there a command to stop soudn programs that may be running in the background to conflict with qjackctl? |
| 21:38.43 | Agiofws | :/home/agiofws/zips/administrator# cp -r * /var/www/joomla/administrator/ |
| 21:38.44 | Agiofws | cp: overwrite `/var/www/joomla/administrator/components/com_users/controller.php'? n |
| 21:38.46 | jair | dondelelcaro: ohhhhhh |
| 21:38.53 | jair | dondelelcaro: now I understad |
| 21:38.56 | jair | understand |
| 21:38.59 | Agiofws | maybe |
| 21:39.02 | corey_ | stew: or any soft like sendmail not terminate, or any other |
| 21:39.02 | asg | doti: stty -a |
| 21:39.11 | doti | asg: thx |
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| 21:39.21 | dondelelcaro | in general, it's ext3 is large enough for all but the most insanely large setups |
| 21:39.25 | Agiofws | how do i copy foo/ fee/ fom/ into /var/www/joomla/administrator/ <----- with OUT it asking me for overwrite option ? |
| 21:39.32 | corey_ | stew: i'm talking about unexpected situations |
| 21:39.41 | stoned | Agiofws, cp foo/ fee/ fom/ /destination |
| 21:39.42 | stoned | ? |
| 21:39.48 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.48 | Agiofws | cp: overwrite `/var/www/joomla/administrator/components/com_users/controller.php'? n |
| 21:39.56 | dondelelcaro | Agiofws: man cp; read about the -f option |
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| 21:40.15 | stoned | oh he has overwrite problem |
| 21:40.17 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.18 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.18 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.18 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 21:40.25 | streuner | hm |
| 21:40.26 | stoned | don't paste here |
| 21:40.26 | jair | dondelelcaro: how can I translate an Exbibyte? |
| 21:40.33 | corey_ | stew: situtions which yout can not provide |
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| 21:40.38 | dondelelcaro | jair: ebibyte? |
| 21:40.46 | dondelelcaro | !convert 1 ebibyte to exabyte |
| 21:40.47 | dmi3on_ | i want to isntall this http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/synergy/download what should i type ? |
| 21:40.48 | dpkg | 1 ebibyte cannot be converted to exabyte: Unknown unit 'ebibyte' |
| 21:40.58 | Agiofws | thanks |
| 21:41.04 | dondelelcaro | !convert 1 exbibyte to exabyte |
| 21:41.05 | dpkg | 1 exbibyte is approximately 1.15292 exabyte |
| 21:41.11 | dondelelcaro | !convert 1 exbibyte to mebibyte |
| 21:41.12 | dpkg | 1 exbibyte is approximately 1.09951e+12 mebibyte |
| 21:41.24 | Agiofws | dondelelcaro, ? |
| 21:41.30 | corey_ | stew: ? |
| 21:41.37 | stoned | Agiofws, cp -Rf * /blah |
| 21:41.38 | dondelelcaro | Agiofws: use the -f option. You've got cp aliased as cp -i for some reaosn |
| 21:41.38 | jair | ohhh we can have a lot of fun here with the bebibytes |
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| 21:41.42 | Agiofws | !convert 1mbit to kbyte |
| 21:41.43 | dpkg | 1mbit is approximately 1.25e-07 kbyte |
| 21:42.02 | Agiofws | ok .. |
| 21:42.09 | dondelelcaro | asking about a millibit is kind of silly |
| 21:42.10 | Agiofws | yeah for protection |
| 21:42.12 | stoned | lol |
| 21:42.26 | Eulex | :D |
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| 21:42.37 | dmi3on_ | when i type this dpkg -i ./synergy-cad_16.0-8_i386.deb i get admin1 is not in the sudoers list how do i add admin one to sudoers list ? |
| 21:42.39 | Eulex | !convert 1mbit to bit |
| 21:42.40 | dpkg | 1mbit is approximately 0.001 bit |
| 21:42.49 | dondelelcaro | M=mega m=milli |
| 21:42.55 | Eulex | yeah :) |
| 21:42.56 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/zips/administrator# cp -Rf * /var/www/joomla/administrator/ |
| 21:42.56 | Agiofws | cp: overwrite `/var/www/joomla/administrator/components/com_users/controller.php'? |
| 21:42.59 | Agiofws | ffs |
| 21:43.23 | dondelelcaro | Agiofws: /bin/cp -Rf * blahblah; will work |
| 21:43.29 | Circuitsoft | !convert 1MiB to MB |
| 21:43.31 | dpkg | 1MiB is approximately 1.04858 MB |
| 21:43.38 | dondelelcaro | forgot that -f doesn't override -i in cp |
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| 21:43.54 | Agiofws | dondelelcaro, THANK YOU |
| 21:43.56 | stoned | where is the -i ? |
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| 21:44.01 | stoned | I don't see -i |
| 21:44.04 | dondelelcaro | stoned: it's aliased |
| 21:44.06 | stoned | oh |
| 21:44.06 | jair | hahaha dondelelcaro so there is a way to convert all this in a more simple way? |
| 21:44.07 | Agiofws | i feel so nooBish |
| 21:44.08 | dmi3on_ | can any one help me please |
| 21:44.17 | dondelelcaro | jair: why? there's no need to convert it |
| 21:44.20 | Circuitsoft | A lot of distros, stock, alias cp='cp -i' |
| 21:44.23 | jair | dondelelcaro: or should I really start caling things ebibytes? |
| 21:44.25 | Agiofws | in /etc/profile |
| 21:44.35 | stoned | exbi |
| 21:44.37 | dondelelcaro | jair: exbibytes is the proper way to talk about 2^60 bytes |
| 21:44.47 | jair | ok |
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| 21:45.02 | jair | 2^60 = GB or TB? |
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| 21:45.08 | dondelelcaro | EiB |
| 21:45.16 | Agiofws | dondelelcaro, wouldn't the time stamps change ? |
| 21:45.28 | jair | yes EiB |
| 21:45.31 | dondelelcaro | Agiofws: sure, if you don't use -a |
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| 21:45.54 | Agiofws | well y they didn't |
| 21:45.56 | jair | I am trying to find out the maximum size of a file on all the other FS as well |
| 21:46.00 | dondelelcaro | (or -p) |
| 21:46.08 | dondelelcaro | jair: so look at the list; it shows them all |
| 21:46.08 | dmi3on_ | asg, can you help me to learn how to install soft on debian |
| 21:46.17 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/zips/administrator# alias |
| 21:46.17 | Agiofws | alias cp='cp -i' |
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| 21:46.28 | Agiofws | i did not use any of those |
| 21:46.44 | stoned | Agiofws, edit bashrc and # it out |
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| 21:46.59 | Agiofws | stoned, thats not my problem |
| 21:47.03 | Agiofws | right now |
| 21:47.26 | dmi3on_ | how do i add my self to a soduers list |
| 21:47.28 | dmi3on_ | ? |
| 21:47.33 | stoned | dmi3on_, I told you |
| 21:47.38 | Agiofws | /etc/sudo |
| 21:47.38 | stoned | dmi3on_, someone else told you too |
| 21:47.39 | dmi3on_ | when ? |
| 21:47.44 | stoned | dmi3on_, /msg dpkg sudo |
| 21:47.45 | jair | dondelelcaro: it is ok, I think i will try to find a calculator to start reading them in the decimal way |
| 21:47.48 | dmi3on_ | i am sorry i didnt see it |
| 21:48.08 | jair | dondelelcaro: thank you I will try to understand the EiB etc... when i have time for it |
| 21:48.12 | stoned | dmi3on_, edit /etc/sudoers with the visudo command |
| 21:48.31 | stoned | dmi3on_, then you will see 1 line at the bottom, copy it, change username to yours, read the man page |
| 21:48.51 | stoned | dmi3on_, google on sample sudoers file etc. etc. you can fine examples in /usr/share/doc/sudo I think |
| 21:48.57 | dondelelcaro | jair: I don't know of anyone who talks about file sizes in decimal, but whatever works |
| 21:49.30 | jair | http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm something like this is what I am looking for on linux |
| 21:49.43 | jair | dondelelcaro: please |
| 21:49.57 | limed | wc |
| 21:49.59 | jair | everybody talk a bout FS on Terabytes and Gigabytes come on |
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| 21:50.03 | dkr | my file is 37 hogsheads big |
| 21:50.06 | dmi3on_ | stoned, /msg dpkg sudo when i type this i get, bash: /msg No such file or directory |
| 21:50.07 | stoned | jair, ##linux |
| 21:50.13 | stoned | jair, this channel is for debian support only |
| 21:50.21 | stoned | specifically |
| 21:50.32 | themill | jair: no, they talk about TB and GB neither knowing what they really mean nor understanding why they are being quite ambiguous. |
| 21:50.33 | jair | I am not a programer to be talking about this things in binary, one thing is been smart and another one is been smart ass |
| 21:50.34 | stoned | dmi3on_, in irc my friend |
| 21:50.39 | stoned | dmi3on_, send a message to the bot dpkg here |
| 21:50.44 | stoned | !tell dmi3on_ -about sudo |
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| 21:50.59 | stoned | dmi3on_, nevermind dpkg, I just told you what to do in 3 steps look up |
| 21:51.03 | dmi3on_ | ok thx |
| 21:51.04 | dmi3on_ | :) |
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| 21:53.47 | dondelelcaro | jair: yes, and when they talk about terabytes and gigabytes, they mean tebibytes and gibibytes |
| 21:53.59 | dkr | unless they are talking about disk size |
| 21:54.20 | themill | unless they're hdd manufacturers, in which case they're scamming you for 10% of the disk size |
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| 21:54.39 | dondelelcaro | though they're technically correct... |
| 21:55.21 | dmi3on_ | stoned, i type this export VISUAL="pico -w" |
| 21:55.21 | dmi3on_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.23 | themill | quite, .. just in violation of that rule |
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| 21:57.10 | stoned | themill, heh |
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| 21:57.23 | stoned | themill, I learned that when I bought my first 500gb hdd years ago |
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| 21:57.30 | dmi3on_ | stoned, why i cant use visudo i cant find in google how to set it up |
| 21:57.31 | stoned | I think I'd just moved to oklahoma then |
| 21:57.32 | dmi3on_ | :( |
| 21:57.45 | stoned | dmi3on_, c'mon man I can't be any more clear than what I've already said |
| 21:57.45 | Trewas | it's not like there is any benefit using binary units for disk/file sizes instead of SI units... too bad that many programs insist on using binary units (like windows, gnome) |
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| 21:57.50 | stoned | :( |
| 21:58.48 | dkr | my quantum computer uses maybebytes |
| 21:58.48 | stoned | dmi3on_, what is your system username? |
| 21:59.40 | dmi3on_ | admin1 |
| 21:59.58 | stoned | dmi3on_, simply as root, echo "admin1 ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers" |
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| 22:00.23 | stoned | or just visudo, edit the file, add admin1 ALL=(ALL) ALL as the last line |
| 22:00.38 | stoned | im sure you can figure this out man 'cmon |
| 22:01.18 | dmi3on_ | stoned, i am slow :( |
| 22:01.39 | dmi3on_ | stoned, thank you very much, i think you was helping me before with ubuntu |
| 22:01.55 | stoned | I don't bring people down if they are slow |
| 22:02.01 | stoned | only if they refuse to help themselves |
| 22:02.08 | stoned | dmi3on_, if you are using ubuntu, you should go to #ubuntu |
| 22:02.27 | jair | dondelelcaro: Thank you very much |
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| 22:02.43 | dmi3on_ | no i just install debian |
| 22:02.49 | stoned | I figured as much |
| 22:02.54 | stoned | sicnie ubuntu comes with that sudo |
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| 22:03.43 | dmi3on_ | "admin1 ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers" i type this thing and next line come up with just this > |
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| 22:03.48 | dmi3on_ | i am lost :( |
| 22:04.07 | Guerin | dmi3on_: yes, you are. |
| 22:04.12 | Guerin | dmi3on_: man sudoers |
| 22:04.20 | stoned | dmi3on_, which part are you confused about |
| 22:04.25 | Guerin | dmi3on_: also use visudo, don't edit that file manually |
| 22:04.29 | dmi3on_ | every thing :( |
| 22:04.38 | Guerin | stoned: I think it's the part where he has to understand it |
| 22:04.39 | stoned | Guerin, he couldln't figure out visudo! |
| 22:04.50 | Guerin | then he has no business using sudo |
| 22:05.04 | Guerin | i recommend hiring a competent admin |
| 22:05.32 | dmi3on_ | i only understand that sudo is some kind of key that lets you change thigs in system, and i need add my self to be able to use this sudo :) |
| 22:05.34 | stoned | dmi3on_, last time. type visudo, it will open /etc/sudoers in a text editor. Add admin1 ALL=(ALL) ALL as the last line in this file. save and exit. |
| 22:05.47 | stoned | dmi3on_, you didn't read what the bot told you |
| 22:05.58 | stoned | dmi3on_, you didn't bother to read what sudo is, what it does, and how to use it |
| 22:06.12 | stoned | I can't spoonfeed you, I feel bad for you, but you need to be left alone now |
| 22:06.17 | dmi3on_ | stoned, were should i type visudo ? |
| 22:06.22 | stoned | i'm sure you can figure this out. |
| 22:06.27 | Guerin | dmi3on_: into google |
| 22:06.46 | dmi3on_ | ok |
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| 22:07.49 | jair | sorry |
| 22:08.04 | jair | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 22:08.10 | jair | themill: thank you |
| 22:08.26 | stoned | your gratitude is not required |
| 22:08.57 | BitUnique | im sickened |
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| 22:09.11 | stoned | BitUnique, that sucks |
| 22:10.12 | BitUnique | well, the last part of this chat really reflects the arogance of some people. |
| 22:10.48 | jair | BitUnique: You notice that that guy is in need of a vacation or something... |
| 22:10.57 | stoned | A is not responsible for B's perception. |
| 22:11.00 | dustybin | good film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308808/ |
| 22:11.12 | stoned | dustybin, #debian-chat or #debian-offtopic |
| 22:11.15 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 22:11.18 | stoned | :) |
| 22:11.19 | BitUnique | A is not what? man get fuckin real you robot |
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| 22:11.35 | jair | I think we should make him come down talking with the channel administrator |
| 22:11.50 | dmi3on_ | stoned, i open sudoers file using nano, in use pivelge specification root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 22:11.57 | stoned | dmi3on_, thats fine |
| 22:11.58 | dmi3on_ | what should i change there ? |
| 22:12.02 | taito | Hi. How can i run a bash script only when the prompt is beign showed? |
| 22:12.15 | stoned | dmi3on_, you shouldn't change anything |
| 22:12.21 | stoned | the echo command I gave you took care of it |
| 22:12.24 | stoned | you're done. |
| 22:12.41 | stew | dmi3on_: what are you actually trying to do? give sudo access to some other user? |
| 22:12.51 | stoned | stew, yes, to username admin1 |
| 22:12.53 | jair | taito: so you have an script and you want to run it as regular user? |
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| 22:13.02 | dmi3on_ | ok, LOL thank you much instal synergy to use it between vista and debian |
| 22:13.11 | Guerin | ... |
| 22:13.18 | stoned | dmi3on_, if you see that line in /etc/sudoers already, you are good to go |
| 22:13.19 | stew | dmi3on_: what commands should this user be able to run as root? |
| 22:13.27 | jair | taito: ??? |
| 22:13.30 | Guerin | stew: /usr/sbin/ALL |
| 22:13.34 | Guerin | clearly |
| 22:13.44 | taito | jair: yes, but only when the prompt is being showed |
| 22:13.45 | stoned | dmi3on_, you can try to make sudo restricted to a few commands |
| 22:13.45 | dmi3on_ | stew, user is me |
| 22:14.06 | taito | jair: i need to stop the script when i use app like vi that runs in fs |
| 22:15.00 | stoned | dmi3on_, if you want to that is, otherwise the (ALL) directive takes care of everything, but if you're the only user on the system, it doesn't matter |
| 22:15.00 | stew | dmi3on_: what command do you need to be able to run as root? |
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| 22:15.16 | dmi3on_ | stew, apt-get install synergy-cad |
| 22:16.00 | dmi3on_ | stoned, when i type it i get same massage "admin1 is not in the sudoers file" :( |
| 22:16.08 | stoned | I give up. |
| 22:16.13 | stoned | good luck man. |
| 22:16.58 | stew | dmi3on_: run visudo again, then add a line at the bottom that says "admin1 ALL=(ALL) apt-get" for access to apt-get or "admin1 ALL=(ALL) ALL" for access to everything |
| 22:17.03 | dmi3on_ | its working first i type su - |
| 22:17.05 | stew | dmi3on_: (without the actual quotes) |
| 22:17.11 | taito | jair: any idea |
| 22:17.19 | dmi3on_ | stew, thx |
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| 22:17.35 | stoned | stew, hes been told the EXACT same thing more than twice at least. |
| 22:17.38 | stew | dmi3on_: err replace "apt-get" with "/usr/bin/apt-get" |
| 22:18.12 | stew | dmi3on_: the peopple that were trying to help you were ignoring your saying that you said you were having trouble getting that line into the file, which is why its still not working for you |
| 22:18.29 | stew | dmi3on_: and i'd recommend sticking to visudo for editing sudoers |
| 22:19.20 | dmi3on_ | stew, thx |
| 22:19.27 | stoned | Thats his problem, getting the line into the file, which is what has been told to him many times |
| 22:19.32 | dmi3on_ | stoned, thx you too :) |
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| 22:19.40 | stoned | stew, if you are referign to me, I did not ignore that, he was told. |
| 22:19.43 | stoned | pay attention |
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| 22:20.52 | `Borg` | I have installed glftpd onto a VPS via apt-get install glftpd. I have also installed xinetd and it is running. When I try to stat the daemon it says permission denied regardless of root or user exec. |
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| 22:22.07 | stoned | I told him to echo it after he was unable to figure out visudo, maybe visudo is opening in vi or vim, and he doesn't know how to use that? He did mention he manually opened it in nano and he saw the line there already after I told him to echo it... so maybe he is not giving us correct info or he is just not doing it right |
| 22:22.07 | stoned | but he was given clear good instructions on hwo to get that line in there |
| 22:22.28 | stew | stoned: the command you gave him to echo into sudoers was flawed, and he had trouble with it. you ignored his trouble with the echo comand. he said later that the last line in the file was for root, not admin1, and you told him he was done, when he hadn't yet added admin1 |
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| 22:23.40 | `Borg` | any idea why it is denying exec with root or user? |
| 22:23.47 | stoned | stew, wrong. |
| 22:24.03 | stew | stoned: reread the scrollback |
| 22:24.13 | stoned | stew, echo "dudeman ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers |
| 22:24.18 | stoned | try it, tell me it deson't work |
| 22:24.33 | stoned | 05:05 < stoned> dmi3on_, last time. type visudo, it will open /etc/sudoers in a text editor. Add admin1 ALL=(ALL) ALL as the last line in this file. save and exit. |
| 22:24.35 | stew | yeah, but what you told him was: echo "admin1 ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers" |
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| 22:24.50 | stew | and then he ended up on a line with > becuase the trailing " was unterminated |
| 22:24.58 | stoned | 04:59 < stoned> dmi3on_, simply as root, echo "admin1 ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers" |
| 22:25.03 | stoned | I see, added a " |
| 22:25.05 | stoned | oops |
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| 22:25.28 | stoned | even so, he was told exactly what to do with visudo as well |
| 22:25.46 | stew | yeah, he was told to do nothing, because he had already added it, which he hadn't |
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| 22:26.19 | stoned | what? |
| 22:26.24 | Circuitsoft | Do I need some kernel options for mount --bind to work? |
| 22:26.34 | jelly-home | Circuitsoft: not really |
| 22:26.47 | dmi3on_ | i have new problem i can find how to instal synergy |
| 22:26.50 | dmi3on_ | :( |
| 22:27.15 | stew | dmi3on_: "aptitude install synergy" |
| 22:27.17 | Circuitsoft | I can't boot lenny with my custom kernel. The message is something about invalid filesystem trying to mount /dev on /newroot/dev |
| 22:27.31 | dmi3on_ | when i type sudo apt-get install synergy i get massage E: Couldn't find package Synergy |
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| 22:27.45 | stoned | judd versions synergy |
| 22:27.46 | judd | stoned: synergy -- etch: 1.3.1-2 lenny: 1.3.1-5 sid: 1.3.1-5 |
| 22:27.52 | stew | dmi3on_: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:28.18 | stew | < dmi3on_> stoned, i open sudoers file using nano,...< dmi3on_> what should i change there ? < stoned> dmi3on_, you shouldn't change anything |
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| 22:29.15 | Circuitsoft | Oh, I'm dumb. I forgot to enable tmpfs. |
| 22:29.33 | stoned | 05:13 < stoned> dmi3on_, if you see that line in /etc/sudoers already, you are good to go |
| 22:29.44 | stoned | if you don't see it, you'ren ot good to do |
| 22:29.51 | stoned | I thought this was basic yes no stuff we learned at 2 years old |
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| 22:31.09 | Wicked | is there a rss feed for debian security announcemants? |
| 22:31.18 | Wicked | i cant seem to find one. would be nice |
| 22:31.41 | stew | Wicked: http://www.debian.org/security/dsa |
| 22:32.10 | Wicked | oh awesome. i didnt see that. thanks :) |
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| 22:35.17 | dmi3on_ | http://pastebin.com/m4062ae92 |
| 22:35.45 | stew | dmi3on_: packagenames are always all lowercase |
| 22:36.03 | stew | 17:27 < stew> dmi3on_: "aptitude install synergy" |
| 22:36.22 | stoned | heh. |
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| 22:38.04 | dmi3on_ | stew, i get new err |
| 22:38.20 | mythomaniac | stoned, last we talked you gave me a trivia question: do you know what watches over the md5sums? How can you be sure that the downloaded md5sums are correct? - would you be willing to share the answer today? |
| 22:38.35 | stoned | I dunno nothin man. |
| 22:38.38 | stew | mythomaniac: which md5sums? |
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| 22:39.01 | mythomaniac | stew, from installed progs, such as using debsums |
| 22:39.30 | mythomaniac | stew, i guess from debian packagers, of the progs i should say |
| 22:39.34 | dihymo | anyone using global menu successfully? |
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| 22:39.57 | stew | mythomaniac: so you mean, when you download a new package, what checks that the md5sums match when the program is installed? or sometime after install? or sometime before you ever get the package? or when? |
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| 22:40.58 | mythomaniac | stew, after install - one program would be debsums, but stoned states: do you know what watches over the md5sums? How can you be sure that the downloaded md5sums are correct? - that is what i'm lookign for |
| 22:41.21 | dmi3on_ | pastebin.com/m6b96a0c7 |
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| 22:41.47 | paxcoder | is it just me or does the Dictionary always say "word cannot be found" |
| 22:41.48 | paxcoder | <paxcoder> i have to write it as a typo, and then i get the real word as a suggestion. but should I type it correctly it reports not found |
| 22:42.06 | yareckon | Hi guys, I have a rsnapshot server, but I want to start carrying one of my hourlies offsite. Any suggestion how do a full backup and then incremental updates to that on an external usb drive? |
| 22:42.13 | mythomaniac | stew, so we have to assume stoned is talking about the md5sums of the downloaded packages? |
| 22:42.20 | yareckon | cp and then rsync afterwards? |
| 22:42.32 | stew | dmi3on_: you have to run it as root, or with sudo |
| 22:43.03 | dmi3on_ | stew, i get same massage as before i past here |
| 22:43.29 | stew | mythomaniac: well there are lots of md5sums, a .deb contains an md5sum of all the files. when someone uploads a .deb to debian, they also include the md5sum of all the files they upload. all these md5sums are checked when the package is uploaded by the debian archive software |
| 22:44.02 | stoned | dmi3on_, wikie.debian.org/secureapt |
| 22:44.12 | stew | mythomaniac: then archive software, when providing the list of packages available, provides the md5sum of the .deb. this md5sum is checked when apt downloads the .deb |
| 22:44.33 | stoned | er.. wiki |
| 22:44.40 | stoned | oops |
| 22:44.40 | mythomaniac | stew, ah |
| 22:44.41 | stoned | wrong guy |
| 22:44.49 | stoned | mythomaniac, wiki.debian.org/secureapt |
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| 22:45.11 | stew | dmi3on_: you get the same message when running "sudo aptitude install synergy"? are you sure? |
| 22:45.17 | stew | dmi3on_: or did you run it as root? or what? |
| 22:45.29 | Orphis | jelly-home: I've found the Autofs bug ! Finally ! |
| 22:45.44 | stoned | mythomaniac, you shouldn't have made stew answer. |
| 22:45.50 | Orphis | And managed to fix it ! :) |
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| 22:46.01 | stew | mythomaniac: you can ignore stoned, i'm happy to answer |
| 22:46.09 | mythomaniac | stoned, i'm sorry, but i couldn't get the answer ;( |
| 22:46.11 | Orphis | (Well, I've just found an old post from 2006 reporting the problem and fixing it) |
| 22:46.18 | mythomaniac | stew, hehe |
| 22:46.22 | stoned | no don't ignore me |
| 22:46.23 | stew | mythomaniac: and this stuff isn't answered in the link he is giving you |
| 22:46.28 | mythomaniac | ? |
| 22:46.30 | corey_ | How can i "grep by -1" if i try #less file | grep -1 , grep get -1 like a flag |
| 22:46.32 | stoned | this was soemthing I told him to look up |
| 22:46.36 | mythomaniac | stoned, i'd never do that |
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| 22:46.56 | Orphis | jelly-home: the fix is this post : http://www.howtoforge.com/accessing_windows_or_samba_shares_using_autofs#comment-3166 |
| 22:46.59 | dmi3on_ | stew, pastebin.com/m4683920e |
| 22:47.03 | stew | mythomaniac: i don't know of any easy way you'd look this stuff up |
| 22:47.07 | StanManCan | how noob firendly is debian to get a server up and running? web/file/mail server... |
| 22:47.13 | mythomaniac | stew, yeah it was like a homework assignment |
| 22:47.17 | stoned | stew, thats where I read about it when apt was new with the key adding last two years or so |
| 22:47.28 | stoned | seems the wiki isn't loading for me |
| 22:47.29 | Orphis | My problem was caused because the user had admin access to the box and I've had shares like "drive$" |
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| 22:47.36 | mythomaniac | stoned, nor me ;( |
| 22:47.39 | stoned | maybe this information isn't there but thats what I remember |
| 22:47.53 | corey_ | stew: How can i "grep by -1" if i try #less file | grep -1 , grep get -1 like a flag |
| 22:47.54 | stoned | and usually it ends up being that I remember correctly, more often than not. |
| 22:48.02 | mythomaniac | stoned, but gogole cache works |
| 22:48.06 | stew | dmi3on_: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 22:48.17 | dkr | corey_: grep -- -1 |
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| 22:48.22 | dmi3on_ | stew, how i have no idea ? |
| 22:48.29 | corey_ | dkr: tnx |
| 22:48.37 | dkr | corey_: -- means don't count any other agurments after this as otions |
| 22:48.47 | StanManCan | ...anybody ? |
| 22:49.15 | stew | dmi3on_: type the command "apt-cache policy", show us what gets printed |
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| 22:49.26 | stoned | man |
| 22:49.29 | stoned | stew man |
| 22:49.36 | stoned | you have patience man |
| 22:49.53 | dkr | StanManCan: it's a pretty vague question. especially since "noob" can mean different things |
| 22:49.56 | stoned | I would get irritated repeating the same request to soemone over n over |
| 22:49.59 | stoned | heh. |
| 22:50.34 | dmi3on_ | stew, pastebin.com/mfeaf42c |
| 22:50.35 | stoned | dmi3on_, maybe I lost my petience earlier with you, for that I apologize |
| 22:51.02 | stoned | dmi3on_, had I not became irritated I could have helped you no doubt |
| 22:51.12 | stew | mythomaniac: the apt-secure stuff is going to be talking about the fact that when the Package lists are published by the repository, all of them are md5summed and those are put into the Release file (which covers all arches), and that Release file is gpg signed |
| 22:51.38 | stew | mythomaniac: but it won't talk about the checking of the md5sums of the files in the packages, which is done by the archive software which is bareley documented (but we're actively working on it) |
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| 22:52.38 | mythomaniac | stew, that rocks, that debian has so many layers of security for file integrity |
| 22:53.12 | dmi3on_ | stoned, you shouldnt be apologizing :) you help me a lot |
| 22:53.56 | stoned | no its just that I'm repeatedly made to look like the asshole when all I'm trying to do is help, but its party my fault, I do lose patience. |
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| 22:54.40 | valdyn | StanManCan: its not |
| 22:54.50 | cads | sup stoned |
| 22:54.52 | dmi3on_ | so whats wrong with my debian ? why i cant install synergy ? |
| 22:54.55 | stoned | cads, hi |
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| 22:55.13 | mythomaniac | stew, this is why one should never go outside the repository, or a 3rd party that isn't gpg signed (though one can always install source) |
| 22:55.24 | paulfitzpatrick | slightly ot: I just got a dedicated Debian server, need somewhere to put DNS, any suggestions? |
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| 22:55.32 | stoned | mythomaniac, correct |
| 22:56.02 | abrotman | paulfitzpatrick: your server ? |
| 22:56.23 | paulfitzpatrick | any drawbacks with managing that, will I have to manage DOS attacks on it etc? |
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| 22:57.00 | dmi3on_ | stew, did you see pastebin >? |
| 22:57.08 | dmi3on_ | stew, wats wrong with it ? |
| 22:57.53 | stew | dmi3on_: you need to add some network mirrors: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 22:58.30 | setuid | Is anyone having trouble with slapd in Lenny? It seems to have broken everything |
| 22:58.36 | setuid | And never completes the postinst |
| 22:58.38 | corey_ | how can i get a result grep by logical "or" example: less file | grep xy or yx ?? |
| 22:58.47 | stew | mythomaniac: well you have to decide how much you trust <other repository> yourself. |
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| 22:58.54 | setuid | Just hangs there, doing nothing, after it trashed the ldap directory |
| 22:59.05 | setuid | So now no users work, because there ARE no users (except root) |
| 22:59.20 | stew | corey_: egrep 'xy|yx' /path/to/file |
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| 22:59.32 | mythomaniac | stew, true, but if its gpg signed, it had to conform to debian standards right? |
| 22:59.38 | corey_ | stew: tnx |
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| 23:00.18 | mythomaniac | stew, i mean it cannot get the gpg sig any other way? |
| 23:00.48 | setuid | Here's what I get: |
| 23:00.49 | setuid | http://rafb.net/p/TUYWMn11.html' |
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| 23:01.46 | cads | in debian, where is JAVAHOME supposed to point to? Say I have the sun java 6 vm installed |
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| 23:04.20 | dmi3on_ | stew, it doesnt say what should i do to fix it |
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| 23:05.48 | dmi3on_ | stew, i didnt find any information that help me to understand why its isnt installing synergy |
| 23:05.53 | mythomaniac | stew, you are right, under How to safely add a key is states that one must decide on how much trust one has in the key :/ |
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| 23:08.34 | dmi3on_ | stew, are you here > |
| 23:08.35 | dmi3on_ | ? |
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| 23:09.35 | dmi3on_ | stoned, can you help? |
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| 23:11.50 | stew | dmi3on_: its not installing synergy becuase it doesn't know of a place to get synergy. you can get it from the debian mirrors, but you haven't yet added them to /etc/apt/sources.list ; "/msg dpkg sources.list" will tell you what to add, then run 'sudo aptitude update" and then try installing synergy again |
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| 23:13.25 | dmi3on_ | stew, ok this i understand thx, now i dont know how do i update sources.list |
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| 23:15.00 | dmi3on_ | i try to google it and cant find much info |
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| 23:16.21 | guyzmo | hi |
| 23:16.27 | stew | dmi3on_: open it with an editor, you could use "sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 23:17.22 | guyzmo | I'm deploying a ruby 2.1 application on an etch server, and only ruby 1.8 is packaged in apt |
| 23:17.31 | guyzmo | I loooked on backports |
| 23:17.37 | slabdata | what's your favourite mta/mda ? |
| 23:17.41 | guyzmo | but still 1.8 there... |
| 23:17.49 | guyzmo | can anyone advice me what to do about that ? |
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| 23:18.04 | guyzmo | does gem work nicely along with apt ? |
| 23:18.09 | aboSamoor | Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10 I installed KDE 4.2 from kubuntu repository I tried to install but I faced unmet dependencies. Can you help me ? or figure any resources that can lead to a solution. [btw I know this is debian channel but I asked in ubuntu,kubuntu and none could help me in this problem] |
| 23:18.21 | stew | aboSamoor: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 23:18.36 | stew | aboSamoor: if you can't get help there try a ubuntu mailing list or a ubuntu web forum |
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| 23:20.41 | aboSamoor | stew: thanks. |
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| 23:21.50 | valdyn | cads: you dont need to worry about JAVAHOME |
| 23:22.24 | dmi3on_ | stew, i dont understand how should i edit sources.list :( |
| 23:22.48 | Guerin | dmi3on_: is there anything you do understand? |
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| 23:23.03 | mythomaniac | so stew, what would be the best way to decide on allowing for gpg signed 3 party repositories; i always assumed there was a process that needed to be done in order to get the gpg signature, but after reading this i think i'm wrong? |
| 23:23.14 | Guerin | becuse so far, things you've failed to understand include reading a manual, following simply instructions from irc, using an editor and google |
| 23:23.24 | dmi3on_ | Guerin, some thigs i do |
| 23:24.07 | Guerin | well, clearly you understand how to turn on your computer, and use a mouse and keyboard |
| 23:24.10 | Guerin | that counts for something |
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| 23:24.46 | dkr | consciousness? |
| 23:24.51 | alsd | Guerin: week end time! |
| 23:25.11 | Guerin | alsd: it comes but once a week! |
| 23:25.13 | mythomaniac | dkr, there is no consciousness, only deep sleep |
| 23:25.20 | cads | valdyn: I needed to put a jar in my jvm's classpath. Luckily I found that there was a package in the repository so I didn't have to do it this time, but I'd like to know where my java libraries stay and which jvm I'm using. I have installed sun's jvm, and had to uninstall the existing jvm before I could get clojure working. I was a little confused to say the least about how to choose which jvm, and in the end just removed the other one. |
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| 23:25.45 | alsd | Guerin: at the end of the week even |
| 23:26.16 | dmi3on_ | Guerin, look here: The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/ |
| 23:26.16 | dmi3on_ | examples/sources.list this is what dpkg saying this is what i have pastebin.com/m70cd8a37 i have no idea how to connect what should i change in a file |
| 23:26.41 | slabdata | dmi3on_: rtfm |
| 23:26.46 | stew | mythomaniac: for this you can read the aptsecure documents. you can add a gpg key with 'apt-key add', you might look at "/msg dpkg apt secure" |
| 23:26.50 | themill | cads: you use the update-java-alternatives utility to set the jvm. JAVA_HOME shouldn't be needed. |
| 23:27.34 | cads | ah |
| 23:27.35 | themill | cads: you can also set CLASSPATH independently of the jvm location to include additional search paths |
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| 23:28.11 | dmi3on_ | slabdata: what ? |
| 23:28.38 | Guerin | dmi3on_: at a terminal, type man sources.list - then read |
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| 23:29.08 | alsd | Guerin: what's a 'terminal' ? (just kidding) |
| 23:29.16 | Guerin | !irritate alsd |
| 23:29.17 | dpkg | alsd: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my libranet werkz ????? |
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| 23:29.45 | stew | dmi3on_: which part are you confused about? how to edit the file? or what to put into the file? |
| 23:30.01 | dmi3on_ | stew, what to put into the file |
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| 23:30.07 | Agentj87 | hello |
| 23:30.08 | RoastedTiresX | sup fellas |
| 23:30.15 | RoastedTiresX | I have a question... about... Ubuntu... |
| 23:30.20 | Agentj87 | wanted to know how i can update everything on debian |
| 23:30.23 | corey_ | how can i delete data from file by pattern ? |
| 23:30.25 | Agentj87 | apt-get update ? |
| 23:30.29 | themill | RoastedTiresX: then you'll do better with that in #ubuntu |
| 23:30.31 | stew | dmi3on_: what country are you in? |
| 23:30.37 | RoastedTiresX | themill - I'm uh.. .sorta banned there. |
| 23:30.42 | dmi3on_ | US NEw York |
| 23:30.53 | Guerin | RoastedTiresX: the only question we answer about ubuntu in here is `what's the ubuntu irc channel?', to which the answer is: #ubuntu |
| 23:31.08 | RoastedTiresX | well I can see there's some nice folk over here in the debian channel! |
| 23:31.13 | themill | RoastedTiresX: that's not our problem... time to go apologising to the ops for #ubuntu then |
| 23:31.16 | stew | "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" |
| 23:31.19 | RoastedTiresX | wow |
| 23:31.20 | Agentj87 | anyone? |
| 23:31.26 | RoastedTiresX | those guys in the linux channel werent l ying |
| 23:31.31 | RoastedTiresX | this channel is full of pricks |
| 23:31.32 | themill | !wayttd Agentj87 |
| 23:31.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Agentj87? |
| 23:31.32 | Guerin | RoastedTiresX: we're nice enough to point you to the debian installer |
| 23:31.33 | RoastedTiresX | peace |
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| 23:31.43 | corey_ | stew: how can i delete data using cli from file by pattern ? |
| 23:32.01 | themill | lightning does strike twice, stew & dondelelcaro :) |
| 23:32.03 | dmoerner | corey_: use sed |
| 23:32.06 | Agentj87 | help? |
| 23:32.12 | corey_ | dmoerner: tnx |
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| 23:32.15 | Guerin | Agentj87: man aptitude |
| 23:32.22 | dmi3on_ | stew, this two line add exactly were on top of eberything or delete rest and just live only your lines ? |
| 23:32.23 | themill | Agentj87: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 23:32.31 | Guerin | Agentj87: look for `update' and `full-update', which do different things. |
| 23:32.51 | Agentj87 | full update i guess |
| 23:32.56 | Guerin | !guess |
| 23:32.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, guess is an hypothesis based on nothing |
| 23:32.58 | themill | s/full-update/full-upgrade/ and only for lenny onwards |
| 23:32.59 | Agentj87 | so apt-get full-update |
| 23:33.06 | Guerin | Agentj87: no. |
| 23:33.10 | Guerin | Agentj87: do what I said. |
| 23:33.23 | Guerin | err, full-upgrade. yeah. |
| 23:33.38 | Agentj87 | look where? |
| 23:33.48 | Guerin | Agentj87: in the output of `man aptitude' |
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| 23:34.07 | Agentj87 | ur talking to sumone who just started using debian, ive been a centos user |
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| 23:34.21 | Guerin | Agentj87: centos has manual pages too, doens't it? |
| 23:34.23 | alsd | Agentj87: that happens to the best of us! ;) |
| 23:34.25 | Guerin | it did when I used it |
| 23:34.42 | dmi3on_ | stew, can you tell me were to add then on top bottom ? |
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| 23:34.54 | themill | Agentj87: if you're just looking for regular updates, then "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" (perhaps aptitude dist-upgrade for some updates) |
| 23:35.26 | themill | Agentj87: but you should familiarise yourself with aptitude some more so you know if this is really what you're wanting. |
| 23:36.57 | Agentj87 | yea |
| 23:37.02 | Agentj87 | i will |
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| 23:37.18 | Agentj87 | im just trying to make sure my deb is updated with everything |
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| 23:38.02 | christ | hi, could somebody please help me with compiz? |
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| 23:39.45 | dmi3on_ | stew, now i get maformed line 6 in source list |
| 23:40.03 | themill | dmi3on_: perhaps pastebin your sources.list so we can see it |
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| 23:40.57 | Agentj87 | lame |
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| 23:41.22 | alsd | themill: dmi3on_ 's sources.list is at pastebin.com/m70cd8a3 |
| 23:41.36 | dmi3on_ | pastebin.com/m7b3863bf |
| 23:41.41 | alsd | well |
| 23:41.47 | alsd | was |
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| 23:43.03 | themill | dmi3on_: you need a space after .org/ in line 6 of the file. You can also stick a # in front of the line for the CD. |
| 23:43.23 | themill | dmi3on_: (line 6 is the line for security.debian.org) |
| 23:44.00 | dmi3on_ | themill, ok thx |
| 23:44.20 | blip- | dubious |
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| 23:49.34 | dmi3on_ | its working thank you all very much |
| 23:49.45 | dmi3on_ | and where i can read about linux |
| 23:50.06 | themill | dmi3on_: you may also want to run: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 23:50.13 | corey_ | dmoerner: i used sed # sed 's/.*err.*//' IvCronJobLogger.log |
| 23:50.20 | dmi3on_ | ok |
| 23:50.44 | corey_ | dmoerner: but result has empty line |
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| 23:51.48 | dmi3on_ | thx |
| 23:51.55 | corey_ | dmoerner: how can i remake it? i tried sed with d: but it's not get result |
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| 23:58.34 | Saar_ | i was wondering if there is a simple way to make apt-get do a --reinstall of all the packages it has installed? |
| 23:58.44 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 23:58.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 23:59.05 | Saar_ | thanks :) |
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| 23:59.10 | corey_ | Saar_: apt-get remove package --purge |
| 23:59.35 | Saar | that just removes and purges it, i thik that is counter productive |
