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| 00:00.30 | yfk_ | where can I find a decent ppf patcher? |
| 00:00.39 | valdyn | system wont boot if you purge everything on reinstall |
| 00:01.07 | dmi3on_ | i need help to creat synergy config and i never did it before i dont remeber how to creat file and and what config to write there |
| 00:01.20 | dmi3on_ | http://www.linux.com/feature/54628 thats from were i am reading |
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| 00:01.42 | themill | dmi3on_: synergy2.sf.net has extensive documentation and examples |
| 00:01.44 | Saar | valdyn: i know, corey_ 's suggestion is rather destructive, maybe he wanted to have a laugh? |
| 00:02.27 | valdyn | Saar: i just figured it might actually boot |
| 00:02.43 | cusco | what packages do I need to install to have the gnome network manager? |
| 00:02.44 | Saar | ah yes the system likely will boot |
| 00:02.59 | corey_ | Saar: i tried to help |
| 00:03.02 | valdyn | Saar: /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst wouldnt get purged |
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| 00:03.22 | Saar | but since someone sorta tried a downgraded, failed and erased half the system i thought it helpful to reinstall everything, even though apt-get fixed everything |
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| 00:03.23 | valdyn | Saar: not sure theres another config file that you must not use the original of |
| 00:03.35 | Saar | corey_: in that case thanks :) |
| 00:04.07 | Saar | there wasn't even a bash anymore :( |
| 00:04.19 | savvas | hi, do I have to subscribe/register somewhere in order to use debian's bts command? I've sent an email through bts to add a patch tag, but I didn't get any replies (except the cc'ed email to myself) |
| 00:04.25 | Saar | and the system is in Greece, whilst I am in CAlifornia |
| 00:04.46 | valdyn | savvas: no |
| 00:04.49 | Saar | valdyn: those 2 files are in order again |
| 00:05.01 | stew | savvas: how long ago did you send it? bts commands can take a half hour to be processed |
| 00:05.08 | savvas | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473781 |
| 00:05.21 | savvas | it's way overdue then :) |
| 00:05.23 | corey_ | Saar: you are welkome ;) |
| 00:05.29 | savvas | wait a sec |
| 00:05.34 | valdyn | tags 473781 +patch |
| 00:05.47 | valdyn | didnt do what you want i guess |
| 00:05.59 | stew | savvas: wait, you sent that with the bts command? |
| 00:06.02 | savvas | valdyn: no that was before I used the bts command |
| 00:06.20 | stew | savvas: that should have gone to control@bugs.debian.org but looks like it was sent to 473781@bugs.debian.org |
| 00:06.40 | savvas | stew: no, I didn't get any reply of the debian control |
| 00:06.42 | savvas | hold a sec |
| 00:06.51 | stew | savvas: `echo tags 473781 +patch | mail control@bugs.debian.org" |
| 00:07.05 | stew | ^`^" |
| 00:07.20 | stew | and the + is optional |
| 00:08.08 | Saar | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install works |
| 00:08.11 | Saar | but |
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| 00:08.43 | stew | "aptitude reinstall '~i'" is much easier than that mess |
| 00:08.53 | savvas | hehehe |
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| 00:09.05 | Saar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.06 | dpkg | You are moron #49, Saar |
| 00:09.08 | Saar | doesnt work |
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| 00:09.24 | stew | Saar: do you get an error? or does nothing happen? |
| 00:09.29 | Saar | i hate aptitude, thanks though |
| 00:09.31 | themill | Saar: that's designed for a fresh installation |
| 00:09.41 | stew | Saar: instead of "apt-get install" use "apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
| 00:09.46 | Saar | hm nothing happens, perhaps apt-get --reinstall install would be needed |
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| 00:10.17 | stew | Saar: but wait, are you runnin --get-selections and --set-selections on the same machine? |
| 00:10.40 | yfk_ | how can I compare two strings using command line? |
| 00:10.44 | Saar | neither |
| 00:10.51 | savvas | stew: this was the message sent using bts: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1323212 |
| 00:10.57 | Saar | i am running the COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk... thing |
| 00:11.13 | stew | yfk_: test "somestring" = "someotherstring" |
| 00:11.43 | Saar | i'm fairly sure the system is bootable, just wanted to reinstall things since a bunch of stuff was deleted in some odd way |
| 00:12.21 | savvas | I've sent it with echo as you mentioned, let's hope it works now |
| 00:12.30 | stew | savvas: the mail looks correct. it appears to have never arrived. perhaps check mail logs |
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| 00:13.16 | stew | Saar: so what is the problem? |
| 00:14.07 | Saar | stew: probably nothing anymore, but there was a lot, since files like bash, tar and gzip had disappeared, so i had to copy missing stuff from a boot cd |
| 00:14.20 | Saar | to even get apt-get working |
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| 00:15.38 | BitUnique | how would i go about making a binary out of a compile source? |
| 00:15.49 | karsten | BitUnique: compile it. |
| 00:15.52 | stew | BitUnique: by "a binary" you mean a .deb? |
| 00:16.01 | karsten | BitUnique: Next question? |
| 00:16.34 | dmi3on_ | ok, now i have one more qeustion, how and wich files do i open and do i need include -f PCname or just PCname ? this what i am reading http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:16.44 | JW | I'm trying to do a speed test by copying over the network. I don't want my local disk involved, so I thought I'd send the file firectly to /dev/null - but I can't figure out how to do that "scp server:file /dev/null" doesn't work and neither does any other combination of " | > -" that I can think of. Any ideas? |
| 00:16.53 | BitUnique | yes i mean a .deb |
| 00:17.03 | stew | BitUnique: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 00:17.45 | stew | JW: the file you are trying to copy is local or remote? |
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| 00:18.47 | stew | JW: "ssh user@server cat /path/to/some/remote/file | pv > /dev/null" |
| 00:18.59 | stew | JW: note that ssh might make the test invalid. you might use nc instead |
| 00:20.50 | yfk_ | stew: I have this thing installed but how do I output anything from it to the terminal window? |
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| 00:21.45 | stew | yfk: test "somestring" = "someotherstring" || echo "they don't match" |
| 00:22.16 | stew | yfk: or you could do somehting like: if [ "somestring" = "someotherstring" ]; then echo match ; else echo no match ; fi |
| 00:22.22 | cads | hey, I'm working with clojure which is a new programming language. So far it's just a jar that is run by java, and you have to custom create some scripts if you don't have to have to explicitly invoke java each time you use it. I used rlwrap to wrap up the language interpreter to have command completion and history, and I'd like to package the setup as a deb for sharing with friends. Can you guys suggest a guide for packaging debs, which wou |
| 00:22.22 | cads | ld discuss some of the conventions that one might use for packaging the runtime for a programming language? |
| 00:22.39 | yfk | stew: it works, thanks |
| 00:22.57 | themill | dpkg: tell cads about mentors |
| 00:23.02 | stew | yfk: "[" is a synonum for "test", and test returns 0 if the test succeeds and 1 if it doesn't |
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| 00:24.10 | cads | themill, that's interesting |
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| 00:24.56 | yfk | stew: O.K , it works :) |
| 00:25.58 | savvas | stew: it shouldn't matter if I'm using ubuntu to use debian's bts, right? I've sent it again using echo and mail as you said, I added myself as a CC and I got the email.. is it possible that control bugs blocks my IP? |
| 00:28.22 | JW | stew: I thnk that might work but I cna't accedd ftp.us.debian.org to install pv right now for some reason. Thanks though. |
| 00:28.27 | JW | ,er can't access |
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| 00:33.11 | dmi3on_ | debian is xdm or kdm or gdm ? |
| 00:33.20 | dkr | yes |
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| 00:34.54 | themill | dmi3on_: apt-cache showpkg x-display-manager |
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| 00:39.33 | format_c | dkr, this was exactly the correct answer :) |
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| 00:46.17 | aoeu | I have a Brother HL2070N laser printer on my network. how do i print to it with linux? i searched everywhere and can't find any clear instructions. |
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| 00:48.45 | kmwhite | aoeu: do you have cups installed? |
| 00:49.16 | kmwhite | aoeu: Also, I like to install hal-cups-utils |
| 00:49.38 | kmwhite | aoeu: I don't know if that printer is supported right of the bat, though. |
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| 00:50.29 | format_c | I have a HL-2030 running with cups. |
| 00:50.32 | aoeu | i know it is, port 515 is open on the printer |
| 00:50.55 | superjoe30 | how do I look at the source for a tool like passwd? |
| 00:51.01 | superjoe30 | normally I do apt-get source <package> |
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| 00:51.28 | aoeu | kmwhite, can't find hal-cups-utils |
| 00:51.53 | Saar | when running aptitude reinstall '~i' I get this: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for dpkg, probably a dependency cycle. How can I resolve this? |
| 00:52.17 | savvas | superjoe30: dpkg -S $(which passwd) |
| 00:52.33 | flypiper | aoeu, linuxprinting.org... shows a driver for the printer |
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| 00:53.22 | savvas | superjoe30: that will show you the package of a command, but for passwd, it should just be: apt-get source passwd |
| 00:54.07 | format_c | aoeu, have you checked the brother site? |
| 00:54.12 | superjoe30 | ah ok, thanks savvas |
| 00:54.18 | format_c | aoeu, http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html |
| 00:54.41 | format_c | There are official cups and lpd drivers for Brother printers |
| 00:54.55 | savvas | superjoe30: make sure you have the appropriate "deb-src" repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:55.12 | superjoe30 | yep |
| 00:55.32 | savvas | then you're good to go :) |
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| 00:57.13 | format_c | aoeu, check also this site: http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Brother |
| 00:57.32 | kmwhite | aoeu: watversion of debian are you running? |
| 00:57.55 | format_c | aoeu, I guess the HL-2060 driver is fine for you as it is for my HL-2030 |
| 00:58.22 | aoeu | kmwhite, etch |
| 00:58.42 | kmwhite | aoeu: Ah. I have lenny. I guess it might not be in etch. |
| 00:59.00 | kmwhite | Anyone ever have any luck routing audio over ssh? |
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| 00:59.05 | format_c | aoeu, maybe the driver is included in the debian package " foomatic-db-gutenprint" |
| 00:59.06 | aoeu | is lpd just for paralell port? |
| 00:59.37 | format_c | cupsys-driver-gutenprint should also be installed |
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| 01:00.07 | format_c | then download the ppd-file from linuxprinting.org and read the instructions for CUPS |
| 01:00.09 | alsd | kmwhite: what kind of audio? |
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| 01:01.26 | kmwhite | alsd: Just the output I guess. Mp3/ogg streams. I am on my work laptop riding the train, ssh'd into my server at home. Opened up my screen session and saw I had left moc open. |
| 01:01.49 | kmwhite | I just wondered if I could hav its output redirected through my ssh connection |
| 01:02.57 | alsd | kmwhite: i've been trying pulseaudio for that purpose, but only on LAN. i guess through an ssh tunnel it should be also possible |
| 01:04.35 | kmwhite | alsd: any luck so far? I didn't see much with a quick google of "route audio over ssh", but didn't look too hard yet. |
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| 01:04.45 | psychonate | there's apparently also sshfs |
| 01:04.47 | cusco | hi |
| 01:04.49 | kmwhite | I just know my download rate with this sprint card is not going to be very smooth |
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| 01:05.04 | cusco | iw requires me to set the PKG_CONFIG_PATH to find libnl |
| 01:05.06 | simonrvn | kmwhite: hint: ssh tunnel |
| 01:05.08 | cusco | what do I set it to |
| 01:05.09 | cusco | ? |
| 01:05.21 | aoeu | what's the difference between cups and lpr? |
| 01:05.44 | kmwhite | psychonate: with sshfs though, wouldn't my local software be playing the songs? |
| 01:05.51 | kmwhite | simonrvn: good idea. Looking into that. |
| 01:05.53 | alsd | kmwhite: ive had luck with RTP multicast, but I guess it would be hard to use and even useless over an ssh tunnel |
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| 01:06.29 | dmi3on_ | i have truble finding xdm/Xsetup for senergy |
| 01:06.37 | dmi3on_ | and rest of files |
| 01:06.40 | simonrvn | aoeu: a lot |
| 01:06.41 | alsd | kmwhite: it's of course way simpler to play files directly from sshfs ;) |
| 01:06.56 | dmi3on_ | please help |
| 01:06.59 | kmwhite | alsd: but without the challenge, where is the fun? ;) |
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| 01:11.04 | kmwhite | here's my stop. Later, folks. |
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| 01:13.01 | kc8sbv | cw=Z]RaMpP.N"RyN9PnG2 |
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| 01:13.32 | liable | steals kc8sbv's password |
| 01:14.53 | dmi3on_ | hi all, i cant find file need to setup autostart synergy can any one help please |
| 01:15.27 | amitz | liable: you made kc8sbv's irc clien quit! |
| 01:15.50 | liable | mwahaha (strokes white cat) |
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| 01:17.35 | amitz | liable: and you want to release the control for how many thousand dollars? <-- the one eyed assistant |
| 01:17.45 | dmi3on_ | why no one is helping me |
| 01:18.05 | liable | dmi3on_: maybe 'cause noone knows? |
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| 01:18.52 | dmi3on_ | liable |
| 01:18.59 | dmi3on_ | :( |
| 01:19.16 | aoeu | ugh this printer stuff is annoying, i need a smoke lol |
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| 01:20.58 | Kretuli | hey, anyone here? |
| 01:21.07 | liable | just us bots |
| 01:21.18 | Kretuli | bah |
| 01:21.25 | dmi3on_ | i need to place command in to startup how do i do this ? |
| 01:21.47 | liable | dmi3on_: which desktop do yu use? |
| 01:21.52 | dmi3on_ | debian |
| 01:22.02 | liable | no, gnome or kde or? |
| 01:22.09 | dmi3on_ | that i dont know |
| 01:22.10 | dmi3on_ | :( |
| 01:22.17 | alsd | liable: i've been wondering how a human being could spend so much times on #debian... |
| 01:22.32 | patrikf | dmi3on_: does your applications menu have the shape of a foot or of a "K"? |
| 01:22.38 | liable | alsd: who, me? |
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| 01:22.42 | dmi3on_ | foot :) |
| 01:22.45 | alsd | liable: yes ;) |
| 01:22.46 | patrikf | gnome then ;) |
| 01:22.54 | dmi3on_ | :) |
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| 01:23.13 | patrikf | dmi3on_: said menu, system, settings, session |
| 01:23.14 | dmi3on_ | in teminal i type synegyc -f PCname |
| 01:23.31 | dmi3on_ | i need this to start when login screen comes up |
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| 01:23.59 | patrikf | oh, when the login screen comes up... |
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| 01:24.06 | liable | alsd: i actually dont spend as much time here as a lot of other regulars |
| 01:24.22 | Kretuli | can someone tell me how to host multiple domains on one server? |
| 01:24.39 | Vasistha | is there something I need to do to get ipmasq to start working? I'm unable to connect from the client side, and... I'm just not seeing any kind of user-friendly getting started manual for ipmasq. |
| 01:25.10 | dmi3on_ | patrikf,is it hard to do ? |
| 01:25.26 | alsd | liable: there's always better i guess ;) |
| 01:26.21 | liable | !debstats |
| 01:26.21 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) or http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 01:26.25 | patrikf | dmi3on_: do you know some shell scripting basics? |
| 01:26.36 | patrikf | dmi3on_: or, do you know the "shell" at all? ;-) |
| 01:26.41 | dmi3on_ | patrikf, here is said how, but i cant find file's that need be change |
| 01:26.49 | dmi3on_ | no... :( |
| 01:27.13 | liable | dmi3on_: why do you need it started at the login screen? |
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| 01:27.30 | dmi3on_ | because then i have more space on desktop |
| 01:27.54 | dmi3on_ | synergy lets me use one keyboard/mouse on two computers |
| 01:28.01 | patrikf | shouldn't it be enough if its started right after logging in? |
| 01:28.15 | dmi3on_ | i need to type pass login name |
| 01:28.38 | patrikf | ah, I thought the linux computer had the keyboard |
| 01:28.42 | liable | dmi3on_: starting it when gnome starts should be fine i would think |
| 01:28.49 | liable | oh |
| 01:28.50 | dmi3on_ | http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ thats were is said how to doit but i cant find files |
| 01:28.51 | dmi3on_ | :( |
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| 01:29.59 | liable | dmi3on_: you need to look in /usr/share/doc/synergy .. debian might have its own config |
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| 01:31.26 | dmi3on_ | liable, nothing there |
| 01:31.28 | dmi3on_ | :( |
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| 01:33.25 | patrikf | dmi3on_: try putting a file like http://pastebin.ca/1323264 in /etc/gdm/Init/ (call it synergy or something) |
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| 01:33.57 | patrikf | dmi3on_: (you'll have to be root to edit files there, and I'm not sure if you know how to do this) |
| 01:34.19 | patrikf | besides, you'll have to make it executable ("chmod a+x /etc/gdm/Init/synergy" in a shell, as root) |
| 01:34.35 | dmi3on_ | sudoedit to edit files :) |
| 01:35.03 | patrikf | dmi3on_: oh, so you know how to use a shell |
| 01:35.06 | patrikf | you lied to me :D |
| 01:35.33 | dmi3on_ | no i am just new to linux so might know things just dont know teminology :)\ |
| 01:35.40 | patrikf | well, place the file in /etc/gdm/Init/synergy, then "sudo chmod a+x /etc/gdm/Init/synergy" |
| 01:36.00 | patrikf | the shell is a program that gives you the opportunity to enter commands |
| 01:36.23 | dmi3on_ | ok what i dont understand how to place file |
| 01:36.33 | patrikf | just edit it |
| 01:37.12 | patrikf | the shell usually displays a prompt like "[user]@[host] [working-directory] $", and you usually use it within a terminal (which usually has a black background) |
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| 01:37.29 | patrikf | ... and i am writing usually far too often |
| 01:37.46 | dmi3on_ | you mean place line "sudo chmod a+x /etc/gdm/Init/synergy" |
| 01:38.10 | patrikf | dmi3on_: hmm? |
| 01:38.14 | jelly-home | Orphis: nice. |
| 01:38.20 | dmi3on_ | heh |
| 01:38.36 | patrikf | dmi3on_: you type that in the shell, but you do not put it in the file |
| 01:38.44 | dmi3on_ | patrikf, first step is sudoedit /etc/gdm/Init/synergy |
| 01:38.47 | patrikf | yeah |
| 01:38.52 | patrikf | what do you have in there? |
| 01:38.59 | dmi3on_ | patrikf, empty |
| 01:39.13 | patrikf | yeah, then reproduce http://pastebin.ca/1323264 |
| 01:39.23 | patrikf | but replace the fourth line with the command you want to be executed |
| 01:39.27 | patrikf | i.e. what you mentioned earlier |
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| 01:39.35 | patrikf | "synegyc -f PCname" |
| 01:39.39 | patrikf | (without quotes) |
| 01:39.57 | patrikf | and probably with spelling corrected too ;) |
| 01:40.37 | dmi3on_ | ok :) |
| 01:40.39 | dmi3on_ | save ? |
| 01:40.42 | patrikf | yeah |
| 01:40.48 | patrikf | and show it to me on http://pastebin.ca |
| 01:41.26 | patrikf | you can copy it there by selecting the text in the terminal (mouse), and then clicking the middle mouse button in the textbox of the pastebin |
| 01:41.52 | patrikf | besides, if you only want to display a file, you can also use "cat" instead of an editor |
| 01:42.03 | patrikf | i.e. "cat /etc/gdm/..." |
| 01:42.06 | dmi3on_ | that what i get when i try to save file: sudoedit: unable to write to /etc/gdm/lnit/synergy: No such file or directory |
| 01:42.17 | patrikf | that's because you typed lnit |
| 01:42.21 | patrikf | should be Init (capital i) |
| 01:42.27 | dmi3on_ | ok |
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| 01:43.10 | sol1dus_ | how do i change my default window manager? |
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| 01:43.38 | dmi3on_ | http://pastebin.ca/1323282 |
| 01:43.43 | karsten | sol1dus_: Install if necessary, choose it at startup. |
| 01:43.57 | karsten | sol1dus_: ... erm, X login. |
| 01:43.59 | sol1dus_ | i've got stumpwm installed but i can't seem to run it |
| 01:43.59 | corey_ | Is it enough to send mail by command line? => /usr/sbin/sendmail -t message.txt |
| 01:44.06 | sol1dus_ | i put it in .xinitrc |
| 01:44.20 | karsten | corey_: echo "text of message" | mutt -s "subject" recipient |
| 01:44.20 | patrikf | dmi3on_: make sure there are no empty lines at the beginning of the file |
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| 01:44.39 | karsten | corey_: If your message is RFC2822 compliant, yes, sendmail can take it for you. |
| 01:44.43 | patrikf | dmi3on_: the very first characters in the file have to be "#!" |
| 01:44.49 | karsten | corey_: I prefer to let mutt do the machine part for me though. |
| 01:45.04 | patrikf | dmi3on_: so if you've done that, save it, and execute "sudo chmod a+x /etc/..." |
| 01:45.26 | karsten | corey_: 'mail' and 'mailx' are two other utilities, I like mutt even for noninteractive mail generation. The options are pretty similar. |
| 01:45.27 | sol1dus_ | also tried update-alternatives --config x-window-system and that also didnt work |
| 01:45.41 | corey_ | karsten: echo "message" | mutt -s "subject" => but where is mail adresS? |
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| 01:46.07 | karsten | sol1dus_: IIRC you can set x-desktop something or other. You can also create an .xsession file. Your windowmnager is the last entry. exec it. |
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| 01:46.26 | dmi3on_ | 1 sec |
| 01:46.28 | karsten | corey_: echo "test message" mutt -s "this is only a test" nobody@example.com |
| 01:46.42 | karsten | corey_: um, '|' before mutt |
| 01:46.50 | corey_ | karsten: tnx! |
| 01:46.51 | karsten | corey_: echo "test message" | mutt -s "this is only a test" nobody@example.com |
| 01:47.08 | karsten | corey_: s/mutt/mail/ or s/mutt/mailx/ as well if you wish. |
| 01:47.31 | karsten | corey_: RTFM for multiple recipients, I think it's a comma-delimited list, no spaces, but I'm probably wrong. |
| 01:48.09 | corey_ | karsten: tnx for the help, i go make a test! |
| 01:48.12 | jelly-home | you're right |
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| 01:48.50 | jelly-home | | mutt [-s ...] fo@o,ba@r,ba@z works. |
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| 01:50.03 | karsten | corey_: NP. Enjoy. |
| 01:50.03 | paulfitzpatrick | whats the best debian starter site for tutorials and what not. Eg. setting up postfix, bind9 |
| 01:50.03 | dmi3on_ | sorry |
| 01:50.06 | dmi3on_ | phone |
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| 01:50.58 | alsd | paulfitzpatrick: debian-administration.org has good thingies |
| 01:51.05 | timecist | hi, will lenny support the kde 3.5 packages for its entire life? |
| 01:51.09 | paulfitzpatrick | tah |
| 01:51.30 | corey_ | karsten, can i get message from file as: mutt "subject" mail$adress.com < file.txt ?? |
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| 01:52.54 | savvas | timecist: support as in security fixes? probably |
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| 01:54.21 | corey_ | karsten: can i get message from file as: mutt "subject" mail$adress.com < file.txt ?? |
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| 01:55.34 | alsd | corey_: if you want file.txt to become the message body, that should do it, IIRC (haven't been using mutt for a while now) |
| 01:55.46 | timecist | savvas, basically. i don't want to be forced to upgrade to kde4. kde4 blows. |
| 01:56.35 | alsd | timecist: actually, kde4 won't be officially supported in lenny, i've been told |
| 01:56.38 | corey_ | alsd: i will member |
| 01:58.57 | alsd | corey_: btw it's rather 'mutt -s "subject" addr@host.com < blah' see 'man mutt' |
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| 02:01.55 | corey_ | How can i save value from file to variable using bash script?? |
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| 02:02.35 | dmi3on_ | patrikf, what should i do next ? |
| 02:02.53 | patrikf | dmi3on_: did you chmod already? |
| 02:03.02 | alsd | corey_: 'var=$(cat file)' maybe |
| 02:03.02 | dmi3on_ | yes as a root |
| 02:03.08 | patrikf | fine |
| 02:03.28 | patrikf | dmi3on_: do you have synergy running now? |
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| 02:03.35 | corey_ | alsd: ok, i test it |
| 02:03.38 | corey_ | alsd: tnx |
| 02:03.41 | dmi3on_ | yes |
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| 02:03.45 | patrikf | dmi3on_: if yes, type "killall synergy" (or shut it down some other way, so we can test) |
| 02:03.46 | dmi3on_ | should i restart ? |
| 02:03.51 | patrikf | no, no |
| 02:04.18 | dmi3on_ | ok |
| 02:04.21 | dmi3on_ | its killed |
| 02:04.28 | patrikf | good |
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| 02:04.43 | patrikf | dmi3on_: now try "/etc/gdm/Init/synergy" in the shell |
| 02:04.49 | patrikf | does that bring up synergy? |
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| 02:05.58 | dmi3on_ | line 5 synergy command not found |
| 02:06.30 | dmi3on_ | 1 sec something wrong |
| 02:07.24 | dmi3on_ | doesnt work |
| 02:07.44 | patrikf | dmi3on_: what happens if you type "synergy -..." in the shell? |
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| 02:08.40 | dmi3on_ | you mean in teminal window ? |
| 02:08.51 | patrikf | yes |
| 02:10.34 | dmi3on_ | its working |
| 02:11.01 | dmi3on_ | what next ? |
| 02:11.20 | patrikf | dmi3on_: by typing synergy in the shell, or using /etc/...? |
| 02:11.41 | dmi3on_ | using /etc/gdm.... |
| 02:11.55 | patrikf | ah, good |
| 02:12.06 | patrikf | then try restarting gdm |
| 02:12.12 | dmi3on_ | how |
| 02:12.14 | dmi3on_ | ? |
| 02:12.16 | corey_ | alsd: can i do multidimensional conditions in batch script? If i can so show me, please |
| 02:12.25 | dmi3on_ | restart computer ? |
| 02:12.29 | patrikf | no |
| 02:12.31 | patrikf | not necessary |
| 02:12.35 | patrikf | dmi3on_: close all apps except terminal, and "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" |
| 02:13.50 | dmi3on_ | its black screen now with some text |
| 02:13.53 | alsd | corey_: what do you mean by multidimensional? an if forrest? |
| 02:14.07 | Kyle_ | synergy like synergy[c,s]? |
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| 02:14.59 | patrikf | dmi3on_: now that's weird. well, go on, reboot |
| 02:15.00 | dmi3on_ | patrikf, its terminal window with no graphics |
| 02:15.00 | dmi3on_ | ok |
| 02:15.00 | patrikf | dmi3on_: any error message? |
| 02:15.11 | patrikf | Kyle_: yes, I think so |
| 02:15.24 | corey_ | alsd: if () then if () then fi fi |
| 02:15.24 | patrikf | Kyle_: know of any "easier" way of starting it together with X/gdm? |
| 02:15.46 | patrikf | Kyle_: ignoring the fact that putting a script in /etc/gdm/Init is already fairly straightforward ;) |
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| 02:16.06 | Kyle_ | i just start it from terminal when i want it, but like the desktop enviroments usually have startup optoins |
| 02:16.09 | alsd | corey_: you've done it already, it's as simple as that (except conditionals are [ ] not () ) |
| 02:16.32 | dmi3on_ | patrikf, synergy doesnt start login screen name come |
| 02:16.34 | dmi3on_ | up |
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| 02:17.24 | Kyle_ | oh you want to fire up synergyc right after X comes up? |
| 02:17.31 | alsd | corey_: the difference with c like languages is that a newline is the instruction separator, so you can't put that on a single line |
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| 02:18.15 | corey_ | ok |
| 02:18.43 | BitUnique | !avahi |
| 02:18.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared. |
| 02:19.06 | BitUnique | hum |
| 02:19.17 | BitUnique | why do i have avahi daemon running on my system? |
| 02:19.28 | patrikf | dmi3on_: hmm, one more try |
| 02:19.34 | dmi3on_ | ok |
| 02:19.51 | Kyle_ | BitUnique: so that autostuff works, you can disable it if you want |
| 02:19.52 | alsd | corey_: for the conditionals, see 'man test', cause the 'if [ ]' is a kludge, '[' is a command, also named 'test' that if executes and follows either branch from the return status ('$?') |
| 02:19.53 | patrikf | dmi3on_: login and get a terminal, type "which synergy" (or maybe synergyc?) |
| 02:20.03 | patrikf | this will tell you the full path to synergy |
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| 02:20.13 | alsd | corey_: but it's a bit off topic |
| 02:20.23 | patrikf | edit /etc/gdm/Init/synergy again and place the full path instead of only "synergy(c)" |
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| 02:20.54 | patrikf | dmi3on_: if that won't work, I'm giving up ;) |
| 02:21.01 | dmi3on_ | patrikf, usr/bin/synergyc |
| 02:21.12 | patrikf | yeah, so write /usr/bin/synergyc in there |
| 02:21.25 | patrikf | i.e. just add "/usr/bin/" at the beginning of the line |
| 02:21.43 | patrikf | try killall synergyc; and then /etc/gdm/Init/synergy; again |
| 02:22.05 | Kyle_ | dmi3on_: so you're runnig like "synergyc 192.168.0.4"? |
| 02:22.28 | dmi3on_ | synergyc -f pcname |
| 02:22.54 | Kyle_ | why -f? |
| 02:23.05 | dmi3on_ | patrikf, i dont understand what to write sorry |
| 02:23.07 | dmi3on_ | were |
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| 02:23.13 | Kyle_ | that souds like -foreground :) |
| 02:23.15 | dmi3on_ | Kyle_ i have no idea |
| 02:23.20 | dmi3on_ | :) |
| 02:23.27 | patrikf | dmi3on_: in the file we edited before, just replace "synergyc" with "/usr/bin/synergyc" |
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| 02:23.38 | Kyle_ | ya it is take the -f out |
| 02:23.48 | dmi3on_ | ook |
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| 02:25.07 | dmi3on_ | restart now ? |
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| 02:26.51 | dmi3on_ | i restart synergy doesnt start |
| 02:26.52 | dmi3on_ | :( |
| 02:27.45 | dmi3on_ | when i type in terminal /etc/.... its start working |
| 02:29.46 | x1250 | what would be the best way (read: confortable, painless) to mount a remote filesystem so to work remotely on another computer as root? This is private lan so I really don't care a lot about security, I want to mount the thing and forget it is a remote box which I'm working on. I only have read a little about ldap, sshfs, sftp, and nfs, so I would like to get some comments? :) |
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| 02:33.29 | dmi3on_ | patrikf, are you still here ? |
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| 02:33.45 | patrikf | dmi3on_: yes, but no idea what could be going wrong |
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| 02:34.14 | \amethyst | x1250: sshfs is fairly simple to set up (and needs nothing special on the server beyond standard openssh), but has its limitations and is kind of slow |
| 02:35.08 | dmi3on_ | ok, thank you i will do it on monday then :) |
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| 02:35.49 | x1250 | \amethyst, I justo want to be able to mount a directory like /home/myuser/remoteserver and have the remote / there, so I can work and do whatever I must do using nautilus, gedit, etc. |
| 02:36.24 | corey_ | alsd: var=$(cat file) is work |
| 02:36.26 | \amethyst | x1250: NFS is also pretty easy to set up, but required a little more effort (you need to run an nfsd and set up /etc/exports on the server). If you need root access, you'll need to use the no_root_squash option on the server |
| 02:36.38 | \amethyst | s/quired/quires/ |
| 02:38.41 | alsd_ | corey_: i hope so ;) |
| 02:38.46 | x1250 | \amethyst, if sshfs is easiest, then I'll do that. Just want to work on a remote system like if I was working on my own, no big file transfers, just small scripts, and maybe even use the "open console here" from nautilus to restart the server, or whatever |
| 02:38.55 | syzygy | I cannot believe I forgot this, what is the command to extract a tarball, sudo tar -xf? |
| 02:39.53 | alsd_ | x1250: if that's for a local network, sure nfs is better, much less overhead, especially on older machines |
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| 02:40.27 | \amethyst | x1250: I'd say try NFS, and keep sshfs in mind if you have problems setting up the NFS server |
| 02:40.30 | alsd_ | x1250: my 1GHz laptop spends half of the time cyphering/decyphering with sshfs instead of really reading writing |
| 02:40.54 | \amethyst | also, sshfs's caching can be a bit surprising sometimes |
| 02:41.07 | \amethyst | and if you turn it off, it's even slower :) |
| 02:41.15 | x1250 | \amethyst, alsd_, ok, comments appreciated. I'll look into those two then. |
| 02:41.36 | \amethyst | x1250: for NFS, you need nfs-kernel-server on the server and nfs-common on the client |
| 02:42.07 | \amethyst | x1250: on the server you will set up an /etc/exports (man exports after installing the package), then on the client you will add entries to fstab |
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| 02:43.07 | x1250 | sounds good, thanks |
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| 02:44.42 | alsd_ | x1250: sshfs is good for one-shot file transfers, especially across the internet, as it's easy to set up. NFS is a bit more boring to set up, but thats worth it on a stable environment |
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| 02:45.58 | ix | If you don't really need encryption, you should go with NFS, IMHO. |
| 02:47.03 | d-b | ix: nfs has encryption support. |
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| 02:54.27 | x1250 | alsd, ok, I'll try nfs first, thanks |
| 02:54.54 | ix | d-b: That's irrelevant. The point is that sshfs (or OpenSSH) can't (or, won't, actually) support unencrypted file transfer. |
| 02:55.23 | d-b | and that is a problem ? |
| 02:55.49 | d-b | you can use weak encryption..... sure.. |
| 02:56.35 | ix | That's still beside the point. :-) |
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| 03:24.58 | george_st-pierre | Hello all, I have a quick question. Is it possible to run multiple ipv6 tunnels on a single box? like one tunnel to HE, one to another provider, etc. |
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| 04:12.49 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 04:12.50 | dpkg | <bart_> seanius, only 4 people at #C++ <seanius> try another network then <bart_> network? <bart_> IRC is the biggest isn't it? |
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| 04:19.15 | streuner_ | that isnt funny, its just boring |
| 04:19.37 | jeffwheeler | What's the general opinion on Bacula? Are there any simpler, good solutions that I should look at instead? |
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| 04:27.27 | streuner_ | jeffwheeler: Did you read usenet (groups.google.com) yet? |
| 04:27.50 | jeffwheeler | streuner_: err, no? |
| 04:28.47 | jeffwheeler | streuner_: should I be looking for a specific thread? |
| 04:28.59 | streuner_ | well, i got lots of entries (only german) |
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| 04:30.00 | newsense | i had a backup i made using rsync and i just restored from it but had to create a few dir's i left outand now im wondering what the permissions were |
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| 04:30.43 | newsense | im pretty i got the few in the root dir right but i had to create a few dirs in /var/cache for apt |
| 04:30.51 | streuner_ | jeffwheeler: well, you asked about opinions ... |
| 04:31.05 | jeffwheeler | streuner_: indeed, and that's exactly what I was looking for :) |
| 04:31.19 | jeffwheeler | streuner_: I assumed there was some specific thread recently that I hadn't seen |
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| 04:39.32 | karsten | corey_: WRT your mutt question: yes, it can read from a redirect. For any command, if you can pipe, you can redirect from file. It's all set up by the shell, and the app can read stdin. |
| 04:40.17 | karsten | tries to remember a command which won't read from stdin ... there was one that stood out particularly.... |
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| 04:41.18 | streuner_ | jeffwheeler: http://www.bacula.org/en/dev-manual/What_is_Bacula.html#SECTION00410000000000000000 |
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| 04:42.11 | enouf | karsten: dpkg-query ...? |
| 04:42.27 | jeffwheeler | streuner_: thanks for the link; I was there earlier and still a bit on the fence; at the moment, I'm playing with a much simpler solution with just rsnapshot |
| 04:42.51 | streuner_ | jeffwheeler: well, the question is (for me), do you need really such a big solution? |
| 04:43.12 | jeffwheeler | streuner_: it doesn't seem like it; I'm going to be backing up two systems onto an external HD connected to one of them |
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| 04:47.44 | streuner_ | jeffwheeler: so whats your real question then? |
| 04:49.00 | streuner_ | jeffwheeler: (that link explains WHO should use bacula and WHAT is it for...) |
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| 04:50.24 | jeffwheeler | streuner_: hmm, I suppose rather vague; I asked two things: what the opinion in here was, and whether there were any other alternatives I might also consider |
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| 04:50.37 | jeffwheeler | streuner_: with that, I think I've probably already had my question answered |
| 04:52.23 | streuner_ | #bacula 47 Please don't ask if you can ask... just ask || Please use pastebin.ca to paste || new features: http://tinyurl.com/43bcyq || PostgreSQL users, note: http://tinyurl.com/3fzmcj |
| 04:52.38 | jeffwheeler | streuner_: fair enough; relax :) |
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| 04:52.44 | streuner_ | hehe :-) |
| 04:53.08 | streuner_ | jeffwheeler: well, how about to just use tar? |
| 04:53.38 | jeffwheeler | streuner_: I think rsnapshot provides a better balance of the two ;) |
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| 04:54.13 | Wicked | hmm im not sure where i would ask this. so here goes. i installed etch on my server and i run irssi in screen....i used to be able to alt + left arrow or right arrow to switch windows...now this doesnt seem to work. when i do it it writes stuff like "3D3C" |
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| 04:55.14 | Wicked | not sure if this would be a problem with debian or irssi or even screen. |
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| 04:57.49 | streuner_ | jeffwheeler: well, i would ask there, they should know about backup-solutions... |
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| 05:06.44 | karsten | enouf: I think it was one of the archiving or compression utilities, but I can't think of which one, and that just seems wrong. |
| 05:07.08 | karsten | enouf: Feeding it stdin resulted in seek errors. |
| 05:08.06 | behanw | jeffwheeler: have you considered backuppc? |
| 05:08.30 | jeffwheeler | behanw: no, I saw it and sorta skipped past it; I'll take another look |
| 05:08.45 | behanw | I use it for everything. |
| 05:08.51 | behanw | I even backup my n800 with it. |
| 05:09.35 | behanw | I use it to backup remote servers, local servers, osx machines, linux, servers, n800, etc. |
| 05:10.04 | behanw | All onto a usb connected hd |
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| 05:24.28 | pab | Does apt-get update apply security patches or do you need to apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:25.22 | streuner_ | !security |
| 05:25.23 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 05:27.18 | pab | thanks streuner_ |
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| 05:30.36 | factor | has anyone gotten the flex sdk compiler to work on debian testing? |
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| 05:30.47 | factor | mxmlc compiler |
| 05:33.57 | paulfitzpatrick | little bit lost with bind on debian and dns in general. Follwing http://www.dougjaworski.com/blog/install-bind-9-dns-server-chroot-debian-etch-and-ubuntu/ |
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| 05:34.38 | paulfitzpatrick | I've installed bind and created a zone template. But how do I set up the master ns1.servername.com addresses |
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| 05:35.07 | paulfitzpatrick | how does dns link that ns1 address with my server, do all dns servers share master record names? |
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| 05:41.23 | cads | is there a software toolchain metapackage in debian, like the build-essential ubuntu package? |
| 05:41.34 | dmoerner | cads: build-essential is from debian |
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| 05:41.49 | cads | oh d'oh! |
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| 05:42.04 | cads | I don't know why I thought it was ubuntu specific |
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| 05:42.54 | alekz | cads: remember ubuntu is debian based :) |
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| 05:44.11 | karsten | !tell alekz about not debian |
| 05:44.15 | cads | oh I know that, but I somehow thought build-essential was a metapackage for helping ubuntuites get a working toolchain, since they might need such help |
| 05:44.27 | cads | !tell cads about not debian |
| 05:44.51 | dmoerner | cads: it's easier to just /msg dpkg |
| 05:44.56 | karsten | paulfitzpatrick: From what I understand poorly: glue records. |
| 05:45.09 | karsten | paulfitzpatrick: If you've got a copy of or can get a copy of the Cricket book, do. |
| 05:45.15 | cads | heh, sorry for the channel noise, I like telling dpkg to tell me something |
| 05:45.25 | karsten | cads: /msg dpkg foo |
| 05:45.31 | karsten | Oh. |
| 05:45.35 | karsten | :) |
| 05:45.36 | paulfitzpatrick | I am about to give on it. It's the last piece in the puzzle for my dedicated server, I might just outsource the dns |
| 05:46.23 | dondelelcaro | paulfitzpatrick: it's a glue record; your registrar sets them up for you |
| 05:46.31 | paulfitzpatrick | I shouldn't have to learn dns in and out to get a single server running websites. I can side step it hopefully |
| 05:46.39 | paulfitzpatrick | registrar does? |
| 05:46.40 | dondelelcaro | paulfitzpatrick: if your registrar doesn't have a FAQ detailing how to configure them, then you've chosen a bad one |
| 05:46.44 | dondelelcaro | paulfitzpatrick: yes |
| 05:46.50 | cads | I need to find the package that puts a gl.h in the include path of gcc, can I use apt-cache to search for that? |
| 05:46.52 | dondelelcaro | paulfitzpatrick: you say, basically, that ns1.foobar.com is 1.2.3.4 |
| 05:46.58 | dmoerner | cads: use apt-file |
| 05:47.00 | karsten | paulfitzpatrick: http://zytrax.com/books/dns/ch8/ns.html http://faq.domainmonster.com/dns/glue_record/ |
| 05:47.06 | paulfitzpatrick | ah yeah I have 1 registrar that can do that |
| 05:47.10 | paulfitzpatrick | thx |
| 05:47.25 | dondelelcaro | paulfitzpatrick: it has to be whatever registrar handles your foobar.com domain |
| 05:47.33 | karsten | cads: ... or auto-apt search, which (at least used to be) is much faster than apt-file. |
| 05:47.39 | paulfitzpatrick | then I simply point the other domains at that ns1. etc. |
| 05:47.47 | karsten | paulfitzpatrick: yeah. |
| 05:48.00 | dondelelcaro | paulfitzpatrick: yes; you use those ns records in the whois entries for those domains, which propogate to the root servers |
| 05:48.10 | paulfitzpatrick | I have to tell bind that that particular domain is pointed at it looking for ns records? |
| 05:48.23 | karsten | paulfitzpatrick: Those nameservers need to be associated w/ the domains through whois and glue records. |
| 05:48.23 | dondelelcaro | paulfitzpatrick: bind has to know how to resolve that domain, so effectively yes. |
| 05:48.53 | karsten | notes that dondelelcaro is probably much more up to speed than himself on this. |
| 05:49.40 | karsten | paulfitzpatrick: I wouldn't go so far as to say that all of the evil in the world is based on bad glue records, but a fair bit of DNS b0rkedness is. |
| 05:49.50 | paulfitzpatrick | lol |
| 05:50.27 | paulfitzpatrick | I managed to set the rest of the server up quite easily then got to dns and started scratching my head as things didn't work... |
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| 05:53.43 | plb | Does radeon driver not support xv? |
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| 05:59.50 | cads | sup sauvin |
| 05:59.55 | x1250 | hey guys, any documentation on how to add ssh keys to nfs? |
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| 06:00.23 | sauvin | Not much, cadsmack, what's up with you? |
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| 06:02.49 | cads | not too much, just trying hard to find a good open source nurbs setup |
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| 06:03.05 | cads | and playing around with this new programming language, Clojure |
| 06:03.21 | cads | itreally |
| 06:03.30 | cads | ... it is a really fun lisp |
| 06:04.51 | cads | sauvin, you ever play with rhino3d? |
| 06:05.07 | sauvin | Nope :( |
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| 06:05.23 | sauvin | What's Clojure about? |
| 06:05.49 | cads | a lisp targeted to the JVM, focusing on powerful functional programming and concurrency |
| 06:06.13 | cads | immutable data structures and agents |
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| 06:07.01 | cads | it's causing some nice hype because of its concurrency abilities, and it's good to see a lisp that really focuses on functional programming |
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| 06:08.05 | cads | it has vectors and hashes as first order immutable data structures |
| 06:08.24 | cads | which is unusual for lisp, usually vectors and hashes are implemented in a pretty non-lispy way |
| 06:08.27 | thasp | if a kernel takes 4 and a half hours to compile on a p3 450, about how long would a very similar kernel take to compile on a 2 GHz amd 3000+? |
| 06:08.40 | cads | half an hour? |
| 06:08.47 | thasp | thanks |
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| 06:09.06 | cads | should be a good bit easier |
| 06:09.08 | thasp | madwifi drivers worked on the p3 but when i put the same card in the amd i get 0 signal, but it shows up, so I want to try ath5k in new kernel |
| 06:11.01 | sauvin | thasp, that question is a bit loaded because a major bottleneck in compile speeds is the hard drive speed. |
| 06:11.41 | thasp | sauvin, quantum fireball 6.9 gb vs. seagate barracuda 7200.7 |
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| 06:12.02 | thasp | the quantum was one of those great drives where if you move your mouse it sounds like a small rodent getting mousetrapped |
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| 06:12.11 | Stanlin | It works!!! |
| 06:12.19 | Stanlin | WPA with nm-appplet |
| 06:12.36 | thasp | what kind of chipset on your card Stanlin? |
| 06:12.54 | Stanlin | atherros in msi wind |
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| 06:13.39 | liable | and the problem was? |
| 06:13.44 | thasp | do you use madwifi or ath5k? |
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| 06:14.22 | Stanlin | liable: actually i reinstalled and i followed this instructions |
| 06:16.55 | liable | Stanlin: you installed debian or ubuntu? |
| 06:17.08 | Stanlin | liable: debian http://www.ubuntugeek.com/enable-wpa-wireless-access-point-in-ubuntu.html |
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| 06:22.04 | Stanlin | liable: the key was to have both conf files empty |
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| 06:30.59 | paulfitzpatrick | any DNS gurus got a sec? how does http://www.pastie.org/pastes/375848 look for settings. |
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| 06:32.58 | Stanlin | liable: thank you a lot for the help |
| 06:35.38 | amitz | Stanlin: it will be nice if you posted a blog or something like about the steps necessary to setup yours. It's been asked many times I heard. |
| 06:36.25 | Stanlin | amitz: ok ill, give me someminutes |
| 06:37.03 | liable | Stanlin: glad you got it sorted in the end. i went to bed, then this morning saw you say you were going to use ubuntu. glad you persisted |
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| 06:38.40 | Stanlin | liable: well i dont like ubuntu at all, 8.10 is all twisted, and im sick to type sudo all the time |
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| 06:40.18 | Stanlin | now the next step, video, its slow as hell... low responsiveness in debian |
| 06:40.28 | Stanlin | Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller |
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| 06:45.59 | batcoder-7 | whats your guys fav editor ? |
| 06:46.21 | Guerin | !start an editor war |
| 06:46.21 | dpkg | zile blows |
| 06:46.37 | Stanlin | dreamweaver |
| 06:46.41 | dondelelcaro | batcoder-7: most people here who use editors seriously probably like one of vim or emacs |
| 06:46.47 | Stanlin | vim rulz |
| 06:46.56 | batcoder-7 | yea i understand |
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| 06:47.06 | batcoder-7 | but i really need a gtk editor |
| 06:47.08 | dondelelcaro | which they use is a matter of personal preference; pretty much everyone should know how to do basic things in both |
| 06:47.16 | dondelelcaro | batcoder-7: both emacs and vim work with gtk |
| 06:47.51 | kaleva | hi i have some big trouble in compiling compiz on debian lenny. In spite of my attemt to do it, i get some problems to reboot my OS |
| 06:48.07 | batcoder-7 | how dondelelcaro ? |
| 06:48.16 | dondelelcaro | batcoder-7: install vim-gtk or emacs22-gtk or whatever |
| 06:48.17 | Stanlin | !intel |
| 06:48.17 | dpkg | i heard intel is http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE |
| 06:48.25 | Stanlin | !intel video |
| 06:48.26 | dondelelcaro | eljefe_: why aren't you using the compiz packages in Debian? |
| 06:48.30 | batcoder-7 | do they work pretty good? |
| 06:48.35 | Guerin | what the hell has an editor to do with your desktop's graphic toolkit? |
| 06:48.44 | dondelelcaro | batcoder-7: they're the best editors around |
| 06:48.56 | batcoder-7 | just curious how are they better then say Geany ? |
| 06:49.00 | Stanlin | probably he wants wysywing |
| 06:49.02 | kaleva | what I get is the following: Checking for Xgl: not present. egrep: Unmatched [ or [^No whitelisted driver found aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity |
| 06:49.03 | batcoder-7 | im saying what more could i get out of it ? |
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| 06:49.51 | dondelelcaro | batcoder-7: geany is some kind of IDE; I can't imagine it does a hundreth of the things that vim or emacs can |
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| 06:50.24 | batcoder-7 | i just use the text parts btw |
| 06:50.29 | batcoder-7 | i dont care about its ide parts |
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| 06:50.48 | dondelelcaro | batcoder-7: both vim and emacs have hilighting and modes specific to most any type of file you'd ever edit; they're designed to handle editing lots of text using the keyboard |
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| 06:50.53 | kaleva | i've read a lot of thing, but i do not obtain what i m looking for. |
| 06:50.54 | batcoder-7 | i always *knew* it could be bettr to do some kind of learnin oof emacs or vim at some point |
| 06:51.12 | batcoder-7 | but i was always lazy and geany worked quite well for what i needed, but it has a problem with slow scrolling |
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| 06:52.34 | slabdata | batcoder-7: take some time and play around with vim you will love it |
| 06:52.58 | batcoder-7 | i know this sounds stupid *but* i cant program in a terminal ;) |
| 06:53.09 | dondelelcaro | batcoder-7: why? it's just text |
| 06:53.48 | dondelelcaro | you probably won't even notice that you're using a terminal after you've used an editor for a week or so |
| 06:54.03 | batcoder-7 | i like pretty text area's |
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| 06:54.08 | batcoder-7 | with nice syntax highlishgitng |
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| 06:54.14 | dondelelcaro | batcoder-7: terminals do all of that |
| 06:54.17 | batcoder-7 | emacs gtk looks pretty good |
| 06:54.33 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not like vim or emacs *have* to be run in a terminal; they just *can* be run in one) |
| 06:54.34 | Stanlin | help, Where are the drivers for Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller?? |
| 06:55.22 | liable | in the kernel |
| 06:55.41 | batcoder-7 | dondelelcaro, maybe hmm m |
| 06:57.19 | batcoder-7 | i am just curious hwat features i will find that will blow my mind |
| 06:57.22 | batcoder-7 | with vim or emacs |
| 06:57.37 | batcoder-7 | compared to something liek geany |
| 06:57.59 | Stanlin | liable: please tell me how to verify if im using that driver? |
| 06:58.06 | liable | Stanlin: look in your xorg log, and also glxinfo output to make sure the right driver is loaded |
| 06:58.20 | liable | glxinfo is in mesa-utils package |
| 06:58.32 | slabdata | Stanlin: http://packages.debian.org/de/etch/915resolution |
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| 07:04.00 | batcoder-7 | what ftp clients do you guys use ? |
| 07:04.11 | Zharf | ncftp |
| 07:05.21 | hifi | lftp |
| 07:05.29 | batcoder-7 | i see |
| 07:05.45 | Stanlin | the responsiveness in debian is awful, gotta fix that now |
| 07:05.46 | hifi | my ftp client is better than your ftp client! |
| 07:05.49 | batcoder-7 | i mean those look good but is there any way i can edit save it in the editor and have it upload it again without mehaving too |
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| 07:12.55 | batcoder-7 | i used gFTP |
| 07:12.58 | batcoder-7 | and then Filezilla |
| 07:13.07 | batcoder-7 | i think filezilla is better but still neitehr is all that good |
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| 07:22.33 | Agiofws | is anyone using joomla here ? |
| 07:25.02 | liable | !anyone use joomla? |
| 07:25.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses joomla, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:29.53 | Stanlin | what is theh gui for scp ? |
| 07:29.59 | Stanlin | Agiofws: i do use |
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| 07:30.31 | Agiofws | Stanlin, |
| 07:31.06 | Agiofws | i managed to install multi language support ; but it works partially by clicking on the according flag displays the right corresponding article but it works only in the main content its does not work on the news flash module i use on the top of the page can anyone explain why ?an example of this problem is on ixtus.dyndns.org |
| 07:31.10 | Agiofws | Stanlin, ^^ |
| 07:31.52 | Stanlin | let me try to open browser, its very slow debian inthe msi wind |
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| 07:32.59 | Agiofws | Stanlin, its a local lamp server |
| 07:33.13 | Agiofws | so its slow and thefeeds makeit slower |
| 07:33.16 | Stanlin | Agiofws: what multilang extension you are using? |
| 07:33.22 | Agiofws | m17 |
| 07:33.42 | Stanlin | Agiofws: im talking about my slowness in my netbook |
| 07:33.50 | Stanlin | Agiofws: use fish |
| 07:34.04 | Agiofws | and i am talking about the slowness of my connection |
| 07:34.45 | Agiofws | why is the land support only applying to the main content element and not the the latests news module ? |
| 07:35.58 | Stanlin | Agiofws: use fish |
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| 07:38.28 | Stanlin | Agiofws: remove that m17 crap,and use http://www.joomfish.net/ |
| 07:39.17 | Agiofws | Stanlin, there must be some reason for it not to be working |
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| 07:44.44 | Stanlin | !vncserver |
| 07:44.49 | Stanlin | !vnc |
| 07:44.49 | dpkg | well, vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>. Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Also ask about <vnc setup>. |
| 07:45.19 | slabdata | Stanlin: maybe you give secpanel a trial as a gui for scp/ssh - http://packages.debian.org/en/etch/secpanel |
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| 07:45.50 | Stanlin | slabdata: what was your first suggestion for scp? |
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| 07:47.49 | slabdata | Stanlin: it is the first one ;) |
| 07:48.14 | Stanlin | oh, thanks |
| 07:48.28 | Stanlin | yeah, im trying, i guess i better use terminal |
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| 08:01.31 | mnguyen | I'm currently using lenny, how do I install a package only available for sid/etch? |
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| 08:05.17 | markw | mnguyen: look up apt pinngin |
| 08:05.21 | markw | pinning too. |
| 08:05.29 | markw | !dpkg pinning |
| 08:05.29 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 08:07.42 | Stanlin | how to , login to the same computer, multiple users, but via vnc? |
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| 08:09.26 | dondon | i was wondering how i add a -m 0 flag to my syslogd |
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| 08:10.43 | hoxu | dondon, /etc/default/syslogd |
| 08:11.44 | dondon | thanks a bunch |
| 08:11.45 | dondon | =] |
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| 08:12.01 | dondon | couldn't find it online =] |
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| 08:17.42 | Stanlin | how to enable to multiple login ? |
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| 08:18.17 | liable | what do you mean? |
| 08:18.49 | Stanlin | liable: i want to login in my pc, but also i want somebody else to login remotely via vnc with another user account |
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| 08:19.42 | liable | you would have to check vnc docs for that i guess |
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| 08:23.00 | Stanlin | liable: how to enable , swap users? i want to keep open a session, and login with another |
| 08:23.29 | liable | Stanlin: i am not that familiar with vnc, havent used it for ages |
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| 08:23.38 | Stanlin | not win vnc |
| 08:23.41 | Stanlin | in gnome |
| 08:24.05 | liable | well, then yeah, you have to logout and login as someone else |
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| 08:24.26 | Stanlin | yeah, i want to login twice |
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| 08:27.48 | Stanlin | !flash |
| 08:27.48 | dpkg | well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 08:58.40 | gigo | I have set x-www-browser as iceweasel in update-alternatives, but still when I select a link in XChat and do 'open in browser' it opens in epiphany |
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| 08:58.43 | gigo | how to fix this? |
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| 09:01.39 | hekatomb | gigo: I'd look at gconf-editor |
| 09:02.09 | hark | you can also try setting gnome-www-browser .. or run gnome-default-applications-properties and set the browser there |
| 09:02.37 | hark | also, iirc xchat has its own preferences as well in the menu somewhere |
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| 09:03.16 | gigo | launched it. now what should I do in gconf-editor |
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| 09:05.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | shitshitshitshit |
| 09:08.20 | gigo | hark, your suggestion worked. setting gnome-www-browser solved the problem. thanks a lot. |
| 09:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | what, that is all? the trick to update from sarge->etch is that you still need a sarge repository in your sources.list? |
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| 09:09.58 | Stanlin | CutMeOwnThroat: you jsut change testing for unstable |
| 09:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was talking sarge->etch |
| 09:10.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's oldstable to stable right now |
| 09:10.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... |
| 09:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sarge->etch |
| 09:10.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 09:10.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 09:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | double bah... it sees I said that 7 seconds ago, but didnt react |
| 09:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 09:11.14 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support ended on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
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| 09:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | there we go - the mysterious reference to the release note got me a bit miffed... seems it's just what I said up there |
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| 09:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh... the bad news is that sarge is gone from the mirrors according to dpkg |
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| 09:16.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late, though... I'm already in dependency hell and this doesn't pull me out :( |
| 09:17.09 | hark | you don't sarge sources to upgrade? |
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| 09:17.53 | hark | ^need |
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| 09:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what the release notes seem to say (see factoid above which refers you to them) |
| 09:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or me) |
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| 09:20.17 | hark | which section? |
| 09:20.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | "A.1 Upgrading your sarge system --- Basically this is no different than any other upgrade of sarge you've been doing. The only difference is that you first need to make sure your package list still contains sarge packages as explained in Checking your sources list, Section A.2." |
| 09:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | That's all I see in the release notes |
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| 09:21.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 09:21.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that was not the section that was meant |
| 09:21.51 | hark | ah, that's only to upgrade your sarge system ;) |
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| 09:22.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | in section 4.5.4 they tell you to first do a normal upgrade, then a dist-upgrade |
| 09:22.47 | hark | yeah, it's pretty tricky |
| 09:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I did the normal upgrade over a year ago :-P |
| 09:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'm in hell with the dist-upgrade |
| 09:23.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, xlibs is supposed to be removed |
| 09:23.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's good :) |
| 09:23.55 | Brusca | hi, can you give some advice on how to create a debian installation from a bootable usb device? I downloaded this iso (debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso). So far i could not find any good documentation on how to do this. |
| 09:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't think pstoedit or inkscape or abiword (etc.) are supposed to go |
| 09:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb install |
| 09:24.49 | dpkg | it has been said that usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 09:24.51 | hark | !usb install |
| 09:24.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal hark |
| 09:24.59 | dpkg | points at hark and laughs uproariously |
| 09:25.49 | hark | you can let the dist-upgrade remove a few packages here and there; and just install them later. it depends |
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| 09:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, of course |
| 09:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't pull in initrd-tools before the full upgrade |
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| 09:27.29 | Brusca | ty |
| 09:27.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think it's a bit better with sarge repositories still present... indeed is - was planning to remove 411 packages, now it's only 114 |
| 09:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | we're *not* talking "few packages" here |
| 09:28.19 | hark | heh |
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| 09:29.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if it tries to scrap pstoedit, basically, there's still something wrong |
| 09:29.39 | hark | i wonder if you can install etch's aptitude and use it to upgrade. it's got much better dependency resolution compared to the sarge version |
| 09:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is an aptitude |
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| 09:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | 0.2.15.9-2 |
| 09:30.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions aptitude |
| 09:30.16 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: aptitude -- etch: 0.4.4-4 lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1 sid: 0.4.11.11-1 experimental: 0.5.1-1 |
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| 09:30.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't install anything right now while inside the conflict |
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| 09:31.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.com/f51462794 these were the odd 400 |
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| 09:32.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.com/f30a72e2c and that's with sarge repositories |
| 09:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | basically I'm stuck between xfree86 and xorg |
| 09:33.13 | paulfitzpatrick_ | how many of you guys run bind9 on your own server? |
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| 09:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !polls |
| 09:34.15 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 09:34.17 | dutchfish | paulfitzpatrick_, i mostly run it on dedicated machines, is this a poll? |
| 09:35.00 | paulfitzpatrick_ | forget it |
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| 09:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I always wondered what sussudio's army of militant badgers are, though |
| 09:35.49 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, do you have a machine extra for solving this problem after dumping it in total? |
| 09:36.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 09:36.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | whaddayamean |
| 09:36.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | which problem |
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| 09:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | the badgers? :) |
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| 09:37.05 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, dependecy problem? or have i missed something? |
| 09:37.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah that |
| 09:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I won't dump that machine |
| 09:37.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's still relatively vital, actually |
| 09:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only thing that worries me is that I'm 7000 km away from it |
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| 09:38.29 | ganastasiou | hello everyone |
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| 09:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mainly asked because ... well, the very idea of dumping this machine :) |
| 09:39.10 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, i solved it like this a few times: made a backup, download all packages manually and installed them with dpkg, i just made a script for this to download only those who need to upgrade and install them |
| 09:39.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, apt-get -f install should already be ok |
| 09:39.44 | ganastasiou | im new user directly from ubuntu |
| 09:39.47 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, with dumping i meant backup |
| 09:39.51 | ganastasiou | i wanted to try the real Debian |
| 09:39.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, aha, I see :) |
| 09:40.07 | ganastasiou | i wanted to build it on my way |
| 09:40.13 | ganastasiou | Business key ofc |
| 09:40.27 | ganastasiou | Business card* |
| 09:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, can't really do that... the data in the user dirs is backuped, but not the system |
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| 09:40.46 | ganastasiou | i wanted kde on my system |
| 09:40.54 | ganastasiou | is ready to use kde4.2? |
| 09:41.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, wouldn't help a lot as I can't replay (and one can always reinstall, I guess - but it won't come to that) |
| 09:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions kde |
| 09:41.21 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48 |
| 09:41.43 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, would not be to hard to backup the machine then without the use data if you already have that |
| 09:42.01 | maligor | judd, is that some magical version that'll show the real version?-) |
| 09:42.02 | judd | maligor: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 09:42.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm.. now if I understood kde versioning, I might be able to answer his question :) |
| 09:42.10 | maligor | oh, another bot, heh |
| 09:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | maligor, that's why I asked judd :) |
| 09:42.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, but what good would that do... it's only packages |
| 09:42.50 | maligor | kdebase is more useful for version check |
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| 09:42.51 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, right and configs |
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| 09:43.15 | maligor | judd, versions kdebase |
| 09:43.22 | judd | maligor: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 |
| 09:43.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | maligor, thanks :) |
| 09:43.52 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, of coarse you canleave it in a mix-state, but that can bight you in the back in the future if security updates ar eneeded |
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| 09:44.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, I'll see it through now |
| 09:44.25 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, ok |
| 09:44.29 | ganastasiou | someone to help me plz,i have installed kdebase kdm from mirror kde4.debian.net |
| 09:44.33 | ganastasiou | but i cannot login |
| 09:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | just wondered if I'd be better off trying to upgrade the packages that still to depend on xfree |
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| 09:44.53 | ganastasiou | repeats the login screen |
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| 09:45.08 | ganastasiou | after i insert my user & pass |
| 09:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganastasiou, so no great wonder... it's still experimental |
| 09:45.58 | ganastasiou | 4.1?i dont think sou |
| 09:46.00 | ganastasiou | so* |
| 09:46.17 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, so you want from sarge to etch or to expirimental??? |
| 09:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, ganastasiou is running kde4 which is still experimental (it's in debian experimental ... doesn't matter so much that he got it from kde4.debian.net) |
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| 09:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
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| 09:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get -f install also stops with dependency error |
| 09:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm in for a treat, it seems |
| 09:48.16 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, the problem that i had was that i needed for example sarge wich was only stable for 1 - 2 years, that is sometimes to short livespan, so i backparted the important things to Sarge and still run it, because i need a livespan for 3 years or more |
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| 09:48.41 | ganastasiou | CutMeOwnThroat: so back to testing and kde3.5?:S |
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| 09:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganastasiou, or you go ahead and fix your problem, I guess :) (although... try using a different windows manager first - are your disks by any chance full?) |
| 09:49.44 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, i delved into to kde4 did a backport to lenny, but its still not ready in many ways, snooped at how intrepid did, well they actually did the same |
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| 09:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, just amazing - I took 2 systems from etch to lenny lately... without any major problems |
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| 09:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually even without *minor* problems on the 2nd system as far as I can tell up to now |
| 09:50.40 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, yep etch to lenny is not that hard, if you know your stuff |
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| 09:50.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | not even if you don't , it seems :) |
| 09:51.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, so it didn't have an nvidia card but one which runs with OS drivers |
| 09:51.20 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, it has its pittfalls, like nfs and apache2 |
| 09:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | that helped :) |
| 09:51.33 | ganastasiou | anyone with ati vga? |
| 09:51.50 | hark | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe try marking them unmarkauto |
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| 09:52.17 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd |
| 09:52.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | a 2nd -f install keeps running up to now |
| 09:52.27 | hark | CutMeOwnThroat: or do an aptitude install xorg gnome-desktop-environment kde |
| 09:53.03 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, if you have an r500 you dont need anything in lenny, it works out of the box (mostly) |
| 09:53.03 | ganastasiou | dutchfish, i need to know about someone who has tested both open and closed driver |
| 09:53.07 | hark | it seems to actually be removing your gnome related packages |
| 09:53.23 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, i did some, but please dont poll, ask your q |
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| 09:54.06 | ganastasiou | ok i wanted to use it for video and clone my desktop... |
| 09:54.13 | ganastasiou | i have tried aticonfig and fglrx |
| 09:54.24 | ganastasiou | but sometimes i get black screen:S |
| 09:54.36 | ganastasiou | i want stability |
| 09:54.44 | paulfitzpatrick_ | ok I've given up on bind9. Went to the dns channel and the guys kept talking about things completely over my head. Is http://freedns.afraid.org/ a reputable place to keep your dns? |
| 09:54.50 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, wait, first things first what card does lspci mentin thta you have (lspci)? |
| 09:55.10 | dutchfish | s/mentin/mention |
| 09:55.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hark, hm, didn't see that... but guess too late now I tried different things as solutions and it didn't want any yet (and running aptitude -f install now) |
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| 09:55.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that fails I'll try |
| 09:56.25 | amitz | Stanlin: have you suceeded in doing dual login on the same server? |
| 09:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... vesa driver |
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| 09:56.43 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, dont msg me plz, there ar emore in here thta could help |
| 09:57.13 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, or could learn from it |
| 09:57.15 | ganastasiou | ok ill post it here |
| 09:57.57 | ganastasiou | http://pastebin.com/m71bc9083 |
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| 09:58.05 | ganastasiou | ati x600 mobility |
| 09:58.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray, ran out of conflicts |
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| 09:59.01 | Stanlin | amitz: no |
| 09:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, if what you say is true, I like debians slow release cycles even more :) - but I think it might just be that the upgrade procedure has been improved |
| 10:00.03 | amitz | Stanlin: okay then, do you want to make it the same user or not? If I'm not mistaken, you want the other one to vnc to the server right? And expecting an Xserver from that server? |
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| 10:00.19 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, i am afraid your card is not (yet) supported by xorg (open source drivers) yet. you could try prop drivers (its ugly) in l enny like this: http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html |
| 10:00.40 | Stanlin | amitz: basically i want each user to login to his account remotely using VNC |
| 10:01.07 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, certainly, specially i tend to use aptitude safe-upgrade and its playing nice to me ... |
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| 10:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but from what I read about pinning, packages should really say which repository they're from |
| 10:02.17 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, but sometimes, you dont want to upgrade the machine before it is end of live (hardware) for that i backpor tmy own stuff, i did this a few times for building special machines |
| 10:02.40 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, and still have some sarge machine happely running |
| 10:02.42 | amitz | I have such configuration but it used xtightvnc over ssh instead (although it should be easy to port to vnc). |
| 10:03.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, well... if it's on the net, that has its disatvantages |
| 10:03.30 | Stanlin | amitz: i dont mind to use xtighttvnc |
| 10:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | disadvantages |
| 10:03.39 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, it depends, they are after nice firewalls and honeyport systems |
| 10:04.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf now |
| 10:04.10 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, it is oonly in tose psecial cases |
| 10:04.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | tar: ./postinst: time stamp 2009-01-31 11:04:09.048324 is 1.27238 s in the future |
| 10:04.41 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, haha, ntp problems? |
| 10:04.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | that seems pretty incredible, doesn't it? |
| 10:04.54 | ganastasiou | dutchfish, i have prop so i stay with these |
| 10:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I get 100ds of these |
| 10:05.08 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, ok |
| 10:05.26 | amitz | Stanlin: Lines I added for /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf http://pastebin.com/d280b0a6a |
| 10:05.27 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, etch or lenny, because in etch it wont work |
| 10:05.42 | ganastasiou | which will not work? |
| 10:05.48 | amitz | you will need openbsd-inet package or something like that |
| 10:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | time seems to be roughly correct |
| 10:06.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's always 1.27something seconds |
| 10:06.19 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, the latest ati prop needs newer libs, they are in lenny (i didnt test in ech & bpo) yet |
| 10:06.48 | ganastasiou | i always use testing release,so no problem with them |
| 10:06.50 | amitz | Stanlin: I use gdm for the login manager. You need to allow remote login in the setting. The setting is available from gui named "Login Windows". |
| 10:07.02 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, ok |
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| 10:07.18 | amitz | Stanlin: all assumes ssh is properly configured. |
| 10:07.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 10:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a saying in German... |
| 10:08.04 | Stanlin | amitz: yes its working fine the ssh, oki, ill config as suggested |
| 10:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | roughly translates as "operation successfull, patient dead" |
| 10:08.14 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, if your lenny is updated to the latest, you only need to tweak xorg.conf |
| 10:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's /etc/ssh/moduli |
| 10:08.54 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, specially delve into /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see whats going on |
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| 10:09.03 | ganastasiou | yes i have already do that but some problems exists with clone setup,i hope 9.1 come quickly to help the situation |
| 10:10.10 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, what has clone setup has to do with xorg problems? its udev/hal all the way |
| 10:10.57 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, that is if your are using lenny ( i tested this both in 32 and 64 bit) |
| 10:11.08 | ganastasiou | dutchfish,but clone is configured in xorg.conf,i cant see your point |
| 10:11.12 | amitz | Stanlin: to call from client, use xtightvncviewer with -via option. Sorry I forgot the specific and I currently can't access any of my clients. |
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| 10:11.32 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, you mean clone screen device? |
| 10:11.47 | ganastasiou | dutchfish,yeah :D |
| 10:12.00 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, ok, tried xrandr ? |
| 10:12.23 | ganastasiou | dutchfish,xrandr doesnt work with fglrx... |
| 10:12.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | the other really amazing thing is, how many scripts are modified that I never touched |
| 10:12.43 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, and thats the real problem ... sigh... |
| 10:12.58 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, i know its a hairy road |
| 10:13.18 | Stanlin | amitz: i dont have the /etc/inetd.conf |
| 10:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean like... carpet? |
| 10:13.38 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, i hope radeonhd will pick this one up soon as for R600 wich are now there in expirimental |
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| 10:14.21 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, OR compile your own as mentioned in th elink i gave at xorg |
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| 10:14.57 | ganastasiou | dutchfish,compile my own?which one? |
| 10:15.07 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, and this: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd:DRI |
| 10:15.18 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, R600 is not DRI yet as you cna see |
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| 10:16.02 | Iraklis | hello, i have a Inetl Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40 GHz, is it better the AMD64 bit version or the 32bit? |
| 10:16.02 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, only very basic suppor tin the opensource driver |
| 10:16.02 | amitz | Stanlin: it supposed to be available when installing openbsd-inet |
| 10:16.22 | amitz | Stanlin: They are all setting in server. |
| 10:16.36 | Stanlin | amitz: this is a lenny installation |
| 10:16.37 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, this one is for the expirimental tree: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd:r6xx_r7xx_branch |
| 10:17.04 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, or just wait a couple of months |
| 10:17.07 | ganastasiou | dutchfish,i dont have r600 but r300 radeon |
| 10:17.30 | amitz | Stanlin: mine use lenny to. maybe you can check using apt-file to find which package has /etc/inetd.conf |
| 10:17.33 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, ? |
| 10:17.58 | ganastasiou | wrong,RV380 / M24 |
| 10:18.00 | amitz | Stanlin: I need to be going. I'll check back later. |
| 10:18.00 | ganastasiou | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.03 | Stanlin | erm... apt-file aint working |
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| 10:18.39 | amitz | Stanlin: did you try installing openbsd-inet package? |
| 10:18.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny, now it's telling me it can't authenticate the newer packages |
| 10:19.01 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, ok |
| 10:19.11 | Stanlin | amitz: not such package |
| 10:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the etch keyring is installed |
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| 10:21.10 | amitz | ah sorry, openbsd-inetd |
| 10:21.40 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, the curent status: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
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| 10:23.00 | Stanlin | amitz: installed bu tthere is no such file yet |
| 10:23.01 | ganastasiou | dutchfish,radeonhd and radeon is the same? |
| 10:23.09 | Stanlin | :wq |
| 10:23.41 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, yes/no, radeonhd has its own tree, but they will prolly merged in future to radeon (or another name) |
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| 10:24.16 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, curently radeon supports the old cards while the newer cards are supported in radeonhd |
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| 10:24.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, seems I'm through... now the suspense of waiting for complaints :-P |
| 10:24.36 | ganastasiou | i see ill give it a try but i think ill use for now the radeon version |
| 10:25.45 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, its as easy as install the xserver-xorg-video-radeon(hd) package .... BUT dont mix this with fglrx and prop, you hose your system |
| 10:26.09 | ganastasiou | yeah ill remove first fglrx from kernel |
| 10:26.22 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, i left the prop software way, i better have less feature, but at least a stable system |
| 10:27.04 | ganastasiou | dutchfish,yeah but sometimes the way u use the card is the proper way to choose |
| 10:27.16 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, 2nd, lenny is not up 2 date with the latest radeonhd (keep thta in mind) |
| 10:27.52 | ganastasiou | dutchfish, which one is better for my card radeon or radeonhd? |
| 10:27.53 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, gl |
| 10:28.07 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, if you have noth latest: radeonhd |
| 10:28.13 | dutchfish | s/noth/both |
| 10:28.47 | dutchfish | but better does not mean faster, this is still very new software |
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| 10:29.03 | ganastasiou | dutchfish,but i think dri is supported for my chipset on radeon |
| 10:29.08 | dutchfish | for the R500 series its splenid stuff |
| 10:29.18 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, yes |
| 10:29.27 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, also fro radeonhd |
| 10:29.56 | ganastasiou | dutchfish,so radeonhd isnot only for new cards?Is a new development of radeon? |
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| 10:30.02 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, bookmark this to follow status: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
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| 10:30.46 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, your card should be radeonhd |
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| 10:32.17 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, things will get easier when lenny hits stable, soon there will be newer stuff for this in bpo i gues |
| 10:32.53 | ganastasiou | dutchfish, radeonhd is a development on radeon?or different? |
| 10:33.23 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, well, you have enough info and links to read all about this, its a lot of reading ;) |
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| 10:34.24 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, a last one: http://www.radeonhd.org/ |
| 10:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | still getting the 1.3s future timestamps, though :( |
| 10:35.15 | ganastasiou | dutchfish,thnx but radeonhd is for r500 and newer chipset i have older;) |
| 10:35.44 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, read more, they have BOTH branches (wich are dif) in there repo for your card |
| 10:36.04 | ganastasiou | dutchfish,ok thnx for all info ;) |
| 10:36.12 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, confusioning isnt it? ;) |
| 10:36.22 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, yw |
| 10:36.45 | ganastasiou | dutchfish, a bit yeah but i hope to see the difference and to choose open instead of closed |
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| 10:37.01 | dutchfish | ganastasiou, there you go .... |
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| 10:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... I can still ssh into it and no dependency conflicts or sarge packages left... let's call it a success |
| 10:39.01 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, ;) |
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| 10:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish and everyone thanks for keeping me company and giving advice :) frustration rate's much lower that way |
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| 10:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... except for the sarge kernel |
| 10:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.4.20-3-k7-smp :) |
| 10:40.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | modern... |
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| 10:41.06 | WMP | hi |
| 10:41.16 | WMP | how to install from packages pam_limits ? |
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| 10:45.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, 353 days uptime, though (amazing - 353 days without power failure or repairs where they switch off the power without telling) |
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| 10:45.32 | dutchfish | !tell CutMeOwnThroat about debianlove |
| 10:46.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 10:46.23 | dihymo | what's the timeline like for lenny to be released |
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| 10:48.12 | dutchfish | dihymo, i not gone say its ready when it is ready ;) |
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| 10:48.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wir |
| 10:48.35 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 10:48.38 | dutchfish | dihymo, bit it will be soon |
| 10:48.48 | Zharf | !siyh |
| 10:48.48 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html for ideas to help lenny release soon |
| 10:48.55 | Zharf | ah |
| 10:49.23 | dihymo | ok well then I will upgrade to testing for most things |
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| 10:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, hehe... debian thinks in a (computer-) geological timescale, though... |
| 10:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | "soon" :) |
| 10:51.14 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, well, it al depends on how many bugs need to be solved, the are still some cirticals left, squash them, and it will speed up ... |
| 10:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually this one is more useful |
| 10:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wwlr |
| 10:51.26 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
| 10:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and lenny status was what I really was searching for :) |
| 10:51.58 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, ah ic |
| 10:52.06 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, its my homepage ;) |
| 10:52.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 10:52.31 | blade | hi all |
| 10:52.58 | dutchfish | http://release.debian.org/ |
| 10:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, except for that latest hump, that green line is seriously going down :) |
| 10:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean here http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 10:54.04 | WMP | I installed libpam-modules and how to load this modules? |
| 10:54.52 | blade | hi all ! ;-) question: exists driver for Creative Audigy2 to use with debian ? |
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| 10:56.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 10:56.45 | ham5 | isent 'driver' really just a module? |
| 10:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I might try to add another release-critical bug, though ( dunno if it would be release-critical ) |
| 10:57.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ham5, normally, yes |
| 10:57.50 | blade | i use alsa but creative soundcard doesnt works |
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| 10:58.12 | dutchfish | blade, did you try alsconf ? |
| 10:58.20 | dutchfish | s/alsconf/alsaconf |
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| 10:58.29 | Gast_971_ | http://www.mein-nacktes-spiel.net/?id=3227422 |
| 10:58.30 | Gast_971_ | http://www.mein-nacktes-spiel.net/?id=3227422 |
| 10:58.30 | blade | ok i will try |
| 10:58.31 | Gast_971_ | http://www.mein-nacktes-spiel.net/?id=3227422 |
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| 10:59.15 | dutchfish | blade, it is in alsa-utils |
| 10:59.56 | blade | path ? |
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| 11:00.09 | dutchfish | blade, alsa-utils: /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 11:00.17 | blade | thx |
| 11:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, because... picard (music-tagger) segfaults lately... and it's written in python, so it's really the current python2.5 that segfaults |
| 11:01.19 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, python2.5 segfaults really? have you filed a bug? |
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| 11:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, not yet... will look up from which version to which it happens first |
| 11:02.00 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, ok, happy disect time |
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| 11:02.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, not all in snapshots, though :( |
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| 11:03.02 | dutchfish | judd, version python2.5 |
| 11:03.03 | judd | dutchfish: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 11:03.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | right now I see from the versions in my archive, that it doesn't seem to happen with 2.5.1-6 but it does happen with 2.5.2-11.1 (quite a big range still) |
| 11:03.18 | dutchfish | !judd version python2.5 |
| 11:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | versions |
| 11:03.38 | dutchfish | judd, versions python2.5 |
| 11:03.38 | judd | dutchfish: python2.5 -- etch: 2.5-5+etch1 etch-security: 2.5-5+etch1 lenny: 2.5.2-15 sid: 2.5.2-15 experimental: 2.5.4-1~exp1 |
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| 11:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | if we're lucky, it's something in the debian patches |
| 11:05.04 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, maybe: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501817 |
| 11:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | if the minor python version change did it... |
| 11:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | the on-lookup one? |
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| 11:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, no, haven't seen that |
| 11:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps |
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| 11:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I have no idea |
| 11:06.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | all my attempts to trace it down failed |
| 11:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | strace isn't useful at all |
| 11:06.55 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, strace? |
| 11:07.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can't run picard using python2.5-dbg, that fails immediately (and I haven't looked why at all) |
| 11:07.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the gdb backtrace is ... well, there is none, really |
| 11:08.12 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, then rebuild it with debog on |
| 11:08.18 | dutchfish | s/debog/debug |
| 11:08.41 | dutchfish | i meant python2.5 |
| 11:08.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if it appears in a patchlevel change, it will be easy(-ish) to track down |
| 11:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it comes in between 2.5.1 and 2.5.2 ... then it's an upstream bug and there's a lot of change there |
| 11:09.52 | dutchfish | yep |
| 11:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | file sizes in the versions I have go from 999772 to 1164258 bytes |
| 11:11.03 | dihymo | is there a way or is it even reasonable to move user accounts to LDAP? |
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| 11:12.06 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, do have python2.5-minimal ? and if so what version? |
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| 11:13.01 | the-dude | dihymo: yeah but depends on your needs |
| 11:13.01 | dutchfish | dihymo, http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP |
| 11:13.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, the normal/full python packages depend on it... so, yes... and right now I downgraded to 2.5.1-6 (and the segfaults stopped happening) |
| 11:13.17 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, ok |
| 11:13.32 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, i asked thta because i followed the same path |
| 11:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | in how far? |
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| 11:14.05 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, by downgrading on my sandbox, and with glob i have segfault stopped also |
| 11:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that other bug is from you? |
| 11:14.27 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, so, its reproducable |
| 11:14.34 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, no |
| 11:14.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | where did your segraults happen then? |
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| 11:15.32 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, i replayed on my sandbox: #501817 |
| 11:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
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| 11:16.08 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, down grading minimal does solves it, the q i now whats wrong with curent version in lenny |
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| 11:16.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be the same that segfaults picard - only thing I know is that it's crashing while calculating the checksum |
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| 11:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, did you find the exact version change, where it appears? |
| 11:16.42 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, the only way to find out is the build it with debug symbols |
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| 11:18.08 | dgeary2 | hello, im looking for a way to set up a static debian package mirror for a local network |
| 11:18.20 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, 2.5.2-11.1 yes, python2.5 2.5.2-14 no |
| 11:18.50 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, i have nothing in between see: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/python2.5.html |
| 11:19.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes == doesn't crash? |
| 11:19.25 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, 2.5.2-11.1 crashes |
| 11:19.48 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, that is: in my sendbox with #501817 |
| 11:19.51 | dgeary2 | i am aware of apt-mirror and have cobbled together some sort of rudimentary directory structure based on what little i know about repositories |
| 11:20.13 | dutchfish | s/sendbox/sandbox |
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| 11:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? but 2.5.2-14 is newer.... and that means there is no problem? |
| 11:20.57 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, otherwise around ;) |
| 11:21.25 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, python2.5 2.5.2-15 crashes |
| 11:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean s/yes/xy/;s/no/yes/;s/xy/no/? |
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| 11:21.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, ok |
| 11:21.38 | dgeary2 | im trying to mirror debian 4.0r0 for i386 from the CD images |
| 11:21.42 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, 2.5.2-11.1 is fine |
| 11:21.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, different bug then 2.5.2-11.1 still segfaulted for me |
| 11:22.01 | dgeary2 | but apt on the client machine complains that the repository cannot be trusted |
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| 11:22.28 | Medalgod | morning all :) Just wondered if anyone could tell me how to set the file browser to open a terminal, run a command and close afterwards (when i click on a file) |
| 11:22.32 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, well, at least we have something substantial here, i have no time to hunt that one, working on others like udev |
| 11:23.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, but yours was introduced with a debian patch for sure |
| 11:23.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | while I don't know yet |
| 11:24.06 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, fair enough |
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| 11:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, but I guess I should repeat with 2.5.2-11.1... just in case... |
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| 11:25.41 | patrick-- | when a disk of an md raid array is marked as fail, how can it be re-added to the raid to be synced? |
| 11:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I always installed -minimal and the packages like python2.5_2.5.2-15_i386 of the same version |
| 11:28.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | dgeary2, http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ftpmirror |
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| 11:30.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Medalgod, let it execute xterm -e SomethingYourFilemanagerReplaces |
| 11:31.13 | Medalgod | TYVM :) |
| 11:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | patrick--, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html ? |
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| 11:32.42 | Suzu | hello :) |
| 11:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Medalgod, or probably more like xterm -e command filename ... where you still got to figure out what string will be replaced by the filename |
| 11:34.31 | patrick-- | CutMeOwnThroat: |
| 11:34.31 | patrick-- | srv02:~# mdadm --re-add /dev/md6 /dev/sdb10 |
| 11:34.32 | patrick-- | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb10: Device or resource busy |
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| 11:36.40 | Medalgod | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks, after u said xterm -e i felt like an idiot... remembered what i needed to do, was as simple as "xterm -e par2 r %s" |
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| 11:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | patrick--, fuser /dev/sdb10 did you remove it first? |
| 11:43.57 | indu | hi all |
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| 11:47.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you came here just to hail at us |
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| 11:49.02 | Greek-Boy | for some reason the default permissions on my /var/log have been altered. How can I restore them? |
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| 11:50.22 | clad007 | Hello, there is a bug in the dovecot package which is not referenced in the bug tracking system |
| 11:50.45 | clad007 | it regards the following error when doing sql authentication |
| 11:50.52 | clad007 | you always get plain_md5_verify((null)): Invalid password encoding |
| 11:51.03 | clad007 | the null thinks is said to be a bug on dovecot page |
| 11:51.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Greek-Boy, "chmod 755 /var/log" ? |
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| 11:52.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | clad007, check the bts? |
| 11:52.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, you did :) |
| 11:52.15 | clad007 | yes |
| 11:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry, extremely tired |
| 11:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's 10 to six here |
| 11:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | in the morning! |
| 11:52.48 | MarkJones | Hello can anyone tell me if there are any linux equivalents for things such as Dragon Naturally Speaking etc.Speech recognition etc? |
| 11:53.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm on my way home! if only stuff would stop blurring in front of my eyes :-P |
| 11:53.14 | clad007 | you can reproduce it whith any password scheme : ssha_verify((null))... |
| 11:53.23 | clad007 | how come nobody saw this? |
| 11:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody uses dovecot |
| 11:54.02 | clad007 | i dont think so |
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| 11:54.27 | Greek-Boy | CutMeOwnThroat: What about everything under /var/log/* ? |
| 11:54.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | MarkJones, festival speaks, as does espeak dunno about voice recognition |
| 11:54.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Greek-Boy, you didn't ask about that :) |
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| 11:55.12 | Greek-Boy | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry |
| 11:55.54 | MarkJones | ok just wondered. |
| 11:56.05 | MarkJones | thanks |
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| 11:56.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Greek-Boy, in principle, set what you think is right - afaik each logfile belongs to it's own package, so even reinstalling would be rather tough (and I'm not sure how successful it'd be) |
| 11:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not tough, but lengthly |
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| 11:57.46 | clad007 | so nobody has got this dovecot problem? Why is it in stable if it doesn't work properly? |
| 11:57.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder... if you're using something like logrotate, I'd think that all new files are created with the default permissions again after rotation anyway |
| 11:57.52 | MarkJones | Oh by the way I was wondering something else, how many of you guys keep your home directory on a seperate partition? I have just added a second hard drive and did a fesh Debian Etch install and set my home for that drive.Seems cool as I wont lose all my personal files when I use my Parted Magic live cd to restore a system backup.ALthough I havent tried that yet.Seems like it will be cool. |
| 11:57.56 | tdeath | wfosdfsdlf |
| 11:58.03 | MarkJones | Is this pretty common practice? |
| 11:58.15 | Greek-Boy | CutMeOwnThroat thanks |
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| 11:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | MarkJones, yes... although the longer I use linux, the less I partition :-P |
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| 12:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | (not totally true... but don't have a separate /home on my laptop with a small disk) |
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| 12:01.49 | MarkJones | Only reason I did this is cause I removed the drive from my external 3.5" Maxtor drive and put it in my PC case, cause I went and got a Maxtor MyPassport 250GB today.Love this little thing. |
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| 12:02.40 | MarkJones | oh sorry WD My Passport |
| 12:02.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | MarkJones, "apt-cache search speech recognition" though... and /msg dpkg search |
| 12:02.52 | MarkJones | ok Ill try that |
| 12:04.00 | MarkJones | looks like nothing |
| 12:04.19 | MarkJones | thats ok though Just wanted a use for my headset I had for Windows. |
| 12:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphinx2-bin - speech recognition utilities? |
| 12:04.41 | MarkJones | its for robot control |
| 12:04.45 | MarkJones | hehe |
| 12:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? |
| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/stat.2' returned no results. |
| 12:05.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the difference |
| 12:05.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup |
| 12:05.16 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 12:05.39 | MarkJones | I cant wait for Lenny to be released.Added a whole 2 DVDs more of packages. |
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| 12:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no generic speech recognition, is there? |
| 12:06.14 | MarkJones | doesnt appear to be |
| 12:06.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | all you have is these systems that annoy you when you call companies |
| 12:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I mean there isnt't at all |
| 12:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | not just "not in debian" or "not under linux" but plain there isn't |
| 12:06.48 | MarkJones | if you say so |
| 12:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't |
| 12:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I asked |
| 12:07.01 | MarkJones | oh |
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| 12:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not aware of any for sure |
| 12:07.33 | MarkJones | I googled it and appears to only be unfinished projects. |
| 12:07.55 | MarkJones | Just be a matter of time probably. |
| 12:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but commercial projects? |
| 12:08.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there's these dictating programs |
| 12:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | that write texts for you |
| 12:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | but they need a lot of training to your voice, I think |
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| 12:09.26 | MarkJones | Im so glad I figured out lightscribe graphics in Debian.Its just a matter of a simple PNG and a homemade template for GIMP and you can add any image to a lightscribe disk.Not sure why they dont have a tutorial for it on the HP LightScribe website. |
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| 12:10.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, nite |
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| 12:11.26 | miksuh | well there is sphinx2 speech recogbition in Debian repository |
| 12:11.30 | miksuh | I have not used it though |
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| 12:11.45 | miksuh | oh he left |
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| 12:22.30 | indu | where can i get information about kannel's "send command status" values meaning |
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| 12:25.48 | etech | hi |
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| 12:27.28 | indu | where can i get help related to kannel in debian |
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| 12:31.24 | valdyn | !tell indu -about ask |
| 12:31.35 | indu | oops sorry |
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| 12:31.54 | indu | i thought there must be some other channel for kannel, so i was asking that |
| 12:31.58 | indu | anyway my problem is |
| 12:32.01 | Apolodor | anybody help me? please |
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| 12:32.39 | indu | I configured kannel in my system, and able to send sms successfully by using the browser, where I type in the url with mobile number and message, |
| 12:32.43 | indu | it sends great |
| 12:32.52 | indu | as bigger as the message also, no issues in that |
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| 12:33.17 | alcohol | Apolodor, just ask. |
| 12:33.24 | indu | now, I am trying to create a GUI, php based so that entering the message will send to all the phone numbers available in the database |
| 12:33.54 | indu | sometimes it sends well, but sometimes, so some of the numbers it shows, in the bearerbox output, "send command status: -1" |
| 12:34.01 | indu | what does this mean |
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| 12:34.09 | Apolodor | hello! I use Debian and adsl internet, I read the installation tutorials, and I try to install br2684ctl gives me Can not open: No such file or directory. where you must copy the file br2684ctl to install |
| 12:34.15 | indu | send command status: 0 is for success, that i understood |
| 12:34.16 | alcohol | usually scripts return -1 when an error occured |
| 12:34.24 | alcohol | so, something went wrong |
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| 12:37.22 | valdyn | Apolodor: why do you think you need a bridge? |
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| 12:39.19 | indu | yes -1 is error, but how can i diagnize whats the error |
| 12:39.30 | indu | because the logs show that the sms is sent, where as there is no sms sent |
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| 12:40.09 | Apolodor | valdyn i don`t understend |
| 12:40.28 | valdyn | Apolodor: you are trying to use br2684ctl, which is a tool to create a bridge |
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| 12:41.07 | valdyn | Apolodor: why would you need that tool for a plain adsl internet connection? |
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| 12:41.47 | Apolodor | I read tutorials and I did exactly what they wrote in |
| 12:42.28 | valdyn | Apolodor: you have a usb dsl modem? |
| 12:42.36 | valdyn | Apolodor: is there no ethernet plug on that modem? |
| 12:43.05 | Apolodor | valdyn: yes, i have a usb dsl modem |
| 12:44.36 | Apolodor | valdyn can you help me you create a connection adsl please |
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| 12:44.50 | valdyn | Apolodor: no, not if you dont answer my questions |
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| 12:49.45 | Apolodor | valdyn i have a usb dsl modem with PPPoe, sory but i don`t understent very well english |
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| 12:51.39 | valdyn | Apolodor: how about german? |
| 12:51.44 | valdyn | Apolodor: or which language? |
| 12:51.56 | [AoPeN] | ciao a tutti |
| 12:51.58 | Apolodor | romanian |
| 12:52.01 | valdyn | !ro |
| 12:52.05 | valdyn | to bad |
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| 12:53.07 | frostschutz | how to lock down unattended debian machines? e.g. after 5 minutes idle, lock screen and require password input? xscreensaver is a possibility but it still allows switching to text terminals I believe |
| 12:53.41 | cusco | frostschutz: just keep the text terminals not logged in |
| 12:53.47 | Apolodor | valdyn where you have to copy files needed to install internet adsl? |
| 12:54.19 | cusco | Apolodor: use the normal rj45 ethernet cable from your router/modem instead of usb |
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| 12:54.45 | cusco | I have a lapto with a integrated ATI graphics card, RS482 (Radeon Xpress 200M) |
| 12:54.53 | cusco | I want to know if the open source radoen driver |
| 12:54.59 | cusco | will give me as much performance as the fglrx |
| 12:55.55 | magyar | hi, how can i remount without reboot /tmp from ext2 to ext3? |
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| 12:56.20 | cusco | is your /tmp a separate partition? |
| 12:56.34 | magyar | cusco: yeap |
| 12:56.36 | cusco | umount /tmp |
| 12:56.37 | cusco | then |
| 12:56.49 | cusco | mount /dev/somethingX /tmp -t ext3 |
| 12:57.19 | magyar | there are apps using /tmp |
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| 12:57.40 | Apolodor | cusco: use normal, but do not understand how to make my adsl connection, i have a SpeedTouch 330 modem |
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| 12:59.34 | valdyn | Apolodor: try google "debian etch speedtouch 330 adsl" |
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| 13:00.30 | EugenMayer | hello. I have the feeling that all my crontabs in /etc/crontab are never executed |
| 13:00.49 | valdyn | !think |
| 13:00.49 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
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| 13:01.27 | EulGlaude | !fuck |
| 13:01.27 | dpkg | i guess fuck is cool |
| 13:01.29 | plb | Hello, I've got the ATI Radeon x1200 which seems to work fine with radeon driver but I am unable to get xv extension working..anyone help me out? |
| 13:01.31 | valdyn | EugenMayer: /etc/crontab is just one crontab |
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| 13:02.16 | valdyn | EugenMayer: if cron is running then /etc/crontab is used, did you modify that file? |
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| 13:02.47 | EugenMayer | valdyn: yes |
| 13:02.52 | max06 | Hi... in /etc/security/limits.conf, can I add groups with wildcards? like @web* soft nproc 300 ? |
| 13:03.08 | EugenMayer | valdyn: and it stopped working 07 Dez 08 |
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| 13:03.51 | EugenMayer | valdyn: anyway to trigger the execution of crontab to see what happens? |
| 13:04.06 | max06 | or is there an other way preventing forkbombs being executed? |
| 13:04.24 | thims | max06: check out the man page it talks about the wildcard, looks like its % but is limited to what it can be used on. |
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| 13:05.18 | max06 | thims, which manpage? |
| 13:05.27 | thims | max06: man limits.conf |
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| 13:05.32 | max06 | oh... |
| 13:05.34 | max06 | thanks |
| 13:05.42 | thims | welcome |
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| 13:06.39 | max06 | the wildcard %, for maxlogins limit only, can also be used with %group syntax. |
| 13:06.45 | max06 | hm... I don't understand |
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| 13:08.19 | myeggo | hi, when i press arrow UP on my keyboard in console, i see ;1A instead the previous line that i typed |
| 13:08.42 | myeggo | also i cant write my spanish symbols but es_es euro is defined correctly |
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| 13:09.19 | cusco | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:09.28 | cusco | because its configured doesn't mean its teh default charset |
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| 13:10.32 | myeggo | but i cant move the cursor in that menu because the arrows does not works too |
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| 13:11.10 | cusco | err |
| 13:11.21 | cusco | page up page down perhaps |
| 13:11.28 | myeggo | i tried already, dont work |
| 13:11.31 | cusco | try the numpad without numlock |
| 13:11.32 | myeggo | it comes back to console |
| 13:11.35 | myeggo | and i see ;1B |
| 13:11.38 | myeggo | tried too :/ |
| 13:11.42 | cusco | :( dunno |
| 13:11.49 | cusco | it must be a know thingie |
| 13:12.00 | cusco | try asking later... |
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| 13:12.28 | myeggo | ah, i found it |
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| 13:12.56 | myeggo | konsole -> preferences -> admin profiles ->edit -> input -> console linux |
| 13:13.11 | myeggo | predeterminated xfree 4 was selected by default |
| 13:13.13 | cusco | cool |
| 13:13.47 | indu | in my debian system, running kannel as daemon doesn't work |
| 13:13.54 | indu | if i run manually, like |
| 13:14.02 | indu | bearerbox /etc/kannel/kannel.conf |
| 13:14.11 | indu | and smsbox /etc/kannel/kannel.conf |
| 13:14.14 | indu | it works |
| 13:14.24 | myeggo | Generating locales (this might take a while)...; es_ES.ISO-8859-15@euro... done; es_ES.UTF-8... done |
| 13:14.30 | indu | this i am doing by stoppping, /etc/init.d/kannel stop |
| 13:14.33 | cusco | how would u run kannel as a daemon? |
| 13:14.37 | cusco | ah |
| 13:14.39 | indu | how can I use the kannel daemon |
| 13:15.05 | cusco | myeggo: didn't it ask you wich one would you want to use as default? |
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| 13:15.25 | myeggo | yes and i selected the iso |
| 13:15.30 | myeggo | that is what i need to use |
| 13:15.46 | cusco | ok |
| 13:15.55 | EugenMayer | valdyn: it seems like no crontabs are run. Even the ones in the cron.daily or whatever |
| 13:15.57 | cusco | cestart x or something |
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| 13:21.45 | max06 | I need to add an entry in my /etc/security/limts.conf for all groups starting with web ... possible and how to? |
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| 13:35.07 | andy5635353 | hi, i am looking for a repository with NVU on it . any ideas? |
| 13:35.23 | liable | didnt they abandon it? |
| 13:35.33 | abrotman | yes, use the mozilla composer |
| 13:35.36 | andy5635353 | oh, really |
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| 13:35.44 | abrotman | i don't think nvu has had a release in 2-3 years |
| 13:35.47 | andy5635353 | i want something like dreamwearer |
| 13:35.52 | abrotman | yes, use the mozilla composer |
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| 13:36.36 | EugenMayer | any ideas why crontab -l list me a old crontab file not the /etc/crontab one ( which i just cleaned up and put anything tp .daily / .weekly / cron.d |
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| 13:38.02 | EugenMayer | abrotman: could you think about a scenaria where no crontab is run. not the /etc/cron.* ones, not the /etc/crontab ones |
| 13:38.08 | EugenMayer | e.g. a faulty /etc/crontab ? |
| 13:38.18 | frostschutz | EugenMayer: crontab -e should prevent faulty crontab |
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| 13:38.52 | EugenMayer | frostschutz: odd, using crontab -e i get the "old" crontab file |
| 13:38.58 | valdyn | EugenMayer: crontab -e edits a user's crontab |
| 13:39.05 | EugenMayer | not the one in /etc/crontab |
| 13:39.08 | valdyn | EugenMayer: that is something else than /etc/crontab, even for root |
| 13:39.19 | EugenMayer | oh. and for root |
| 13:39.21 | EugenMayer | ok.. |
| 13:39.42 | EugenMayer | but why are the "daily weekly" etc script in the crontab of root? |
| 13:39.51 | valdyn | EugenMayer: thats fucked up |
| 13:39.56 | EugenMayer | ok |
| 13:39.59 | EugenMayer | my thoughts. |
| 13:40.17 | EugenMayer | where are the user crontab-files stored? |
| 13:40.21 | valdyn | EugenMayer: roots crontab is empty by default, except for some commen ( # m h dom mon dow command ) |
| 13:40.35 | valdyn | EugenMayer: /var/spool/cron/ |
| 13:40.35 | frostschutz | EugenMayer: /var/spool/cron maybe |
| 13:40.55 | EugenMayer | valdyn: could you send me your /etc/crontab file? i think i just need a default one to get back to working |
| 13:40.58 | EugenMayer | thank you |
| 13:41.09 | valdyn | EugenMayer: remove yours, use confmiss |
| 13:41.12 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 13:41.12 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 13:41.28 | EugenMayer | great! |
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| 13:42.04 | valdyn | EugenMayer: other than times there should be no need to edit /etc/crontab ever |
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| 13:42.27 | EugenMayer | valdyn: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall crontab |
| 13:42.31 | EugenMayer | did not work our |
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| 13:42.39 | EugenMayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.43 | valdyn | EugenMayer: the package is cron |
| 13:42.43 | EugenMayer | s/our/out |
| 13:42.44 | abrotman | package isn't called crontab ? |
| 13:42.50 | EugenMayer | :/ |
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| 13:43.10 | valdyn | EugenMayer: you can figure that by yourself via "dpkg -S /etc/crontab" |
| 13:43.30 | EugenMayer | ok great, so i have a default /etc/crontab now. |
| 13:43.34 | andy5635353 | thanks, i found the composer and am installing |
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| 13:43.40 | EugenMayer | and the crontab -e one i have emptied. |
| 13:43.43 | andy5635353 | what is a good gnome repository for stable apps? |
| 13:43.58 | valdyn | andy5635353: your default repo |
| 13:44.01 | EugenMayer | valdyn: abrotman thank you |
| 13:44.31 | andy5635353 | valdyn: thanks, i have about 18111 posible packages, does this sound about right? |
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| 13:44.44 | valdyn | andy5635353: YES |
| 13:44.50 | andy5635353 | great |
| 13:44.55 | valdyn | ga, damn caps lock |
| 13:45.03 | andy5635353 | HA HA |
| 13:45.26 | andy5635353 | so what other tools would you recommend for a php web developer? |
| 13:45.54 | abrotman | vi |
| 13:46.01 | valdyn | vim |
| 13:46.13 | abrotman | you kids and your fancy editors ... |
| 13:46.22 | andy5635353 | i actually prefer aee as my text editor |
| 13:46.27 | andy5635353 | vi is too much for me |
| 13:46.41 | andy5635353 | bluefish is quite nice as a development environemnt |
| 13:46.43 | asg | !be ed |
| 13:46.43 | dpkg | ? |
| 13:46.48 | valdyn | + vim-scripts |
| 13:47.10 | abrotman | andy5635353: vim is a perfectly usable editor .. but if you need something you can click, look at bluefish or anjuta |
| 13:48.23 | EugenMayer | valdyn: dpkg -S somefile does say me, which package this file belongs too ? |
| 13:48.30 | valdyn | EugenMayer: yes |
| 13:48.40 | EugenMayer | well i love debian :) |
| 13:48.58 | EugenMayer | And i did not spot 1% of all its abilitys though iam using it for years |
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| 13:49.47 | andy5635353 | thanks for your help guys |
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| 13:50.57 | EugenMayer | just wished it would be more suitable for laptops ( or general desktops ) |
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| 13:52.11 | valdyn | EugenMayer: works ok, just very hard to know which package(s) you need |
| 13:52.56 | valdyn | like theres still a dozen or so frequency scaling daemons, none of which does much useful |
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| 13:54.34 | EugenMayer | valdyn: actually after using gentoo for years on desktops and only debian on servers, i use ubuntu as desktop. I need it as a working env where i dont spent to much time one configuring etc ( like gentoo ). And mostly, debian just needs ugly hacks / fixes etc to run properly e.g. on my T60p |
| 13:55.12 | valdyn | EugenMayer: i disagree on ugly hacks, but ubuntu gets it better by default, yes |
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| 13:55.25 | EugenMayer | ubuntu intrepid has its dozen problems also, but as they are going for newer packages ( eventhough they just ue a newer kernel and thats all ) and they like to break packages, iam ok with using it |
| 13:55.45 | EugenMayer | s/break/brake |
| 13:56.02 | EugenMayer | but actually mabye iam the only one |
| 13:56.17 | EugenMayer | the lib-perl-sqlite package is broken under etch. It cant bind arguments |
| 13:56.37 | EugenMayer | its only because of the 1.13.1 version, which is broken. Has been fixed in 1.13.2 |
| 13:57.02 | EugenMayer | (stable ofc ) |
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| 14:15.00 | hugo | hi, is there a list of pronunciations of basic unix command somewhere? |
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| 14:15.50 | abrotman | like how to pronounce "ls" ? |
| 14:16.29 | hugo | abrotman: yes |
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| 14:17.18 | asg | http://www.ss64.com/bash/syntax-pronounce.html |
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| 14:19.32 | hugo | asg: thanks but that's not commands |
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| 14:20.47 | hugo | there are some commands that I don't know how to pronounce it, like `lsof` |
| 14:20.48 | asg | hugo: then perhaps you should start a pronunciation guide wiki and let us all contribute |
| 14:21.04 | asg | hugo: lsof is generally pronounced ell sof |
| 14:21.27 | debian_noob | Hi |
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| 14:21.29 | hugo | asg: sof as in "soft ware"? |
| 14:21.37 | debian_noob | hugo:Yes |
| 14:21.38 | asg | yes |
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| 14:21.55 | debian_noob | What is the use of apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 14:22.02 | asg | it |
| 14:22.07 | asg | it's in the manpage |
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| 14:24.06 | RoenieSrvr | htop pwnz. that's all, thanks for listening :) |
| 14:24.06 | debian_noob | No but I want to know what people use it for. |
| 14:25.00 | asg | debian_noob: upgrading from oldstable to a new stable or a stable to a testing |
| 14:25.29 | asg | debian_noob: these days though, aptitude is recommended over apt-get |
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| 14:26.47 | RoenieSrvr | care to elaborate, asg? |
| 14:27.05 | asg | RoenieSrvr: elaborate on what? |
| 14:27.10 | RoenieSrvr | the latter |
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| 14:27.26 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. that! |
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| 14:28.06 | asg | !why aptitude |
| 14:28.07 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 14:28.53 | themill | You may also need dist-upgrade just to install security updates to the stable release. It's just just about upgrading between releases. |
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| 14:28.59 | themill | !dist-upgrade |
| 14:28.59 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install or remove packages when handling dependencies; some security updates to stable require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; aptitude in Lenny has renamed dist-upgrade to full-upgrade to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist upgrade>, <sarge->etch>, <etch->lenny>, or <full-upgrade> |
| 14:29.12 | abrotman | themill: s/just just/not just/ |
| 14:29.40 | themill | abrotman: we're already established today that I'm failing at keyboard interaction... |
| 14:29.51 | themill | we've* |
| 14:30.00 | abrotman | you don't say ... |
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| 14:30.13 | themill | goes in search of coffee |
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| 14:30.33 | RoenieSrvr | themill, the trick is using your fingers rather than trying to talk to it |
| 14:30.47 | RoenieSrvr | same goes for most women btw |
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| 14:30.58 | themill | o-0 |
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| 14:31.40 | debian_noob | Ok |
| 14:31.53 | debian_noob | So howto upgrade using Aptitude? |
| 14:32.22 | themill | !aptitude docs |
| 14:32.22 | dpkg | Documentation for aptitude can be found in the aptitude-doc package (to see the languages in which it is available, apt-cache showpkg aptitude-doc) or at http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/index.html . Also ask me about <aptitude search><aptitude-build-dep><aptitude clone><aptitude-fu>, or <aptitude debug> |
| 14:32.56 | debian_noob | themill:Whicj one? |
| 14:33.02 | debian_noob | themill:Which one? |
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| 14:33.50 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 14:34.13 | metalfan_ | is nfs4 with krb5p working "out of the box" for debian? |
| 14:34.18 | kernel_geek | If my server is in suspend s3 state can i make it wake up when i request a web page from it (apache) ? |
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| 14:34.45 | debian_noob | themill:Which command exactly? |
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| 14:36.31 | themill | debian_noob: To do what? Was there a section of the aptitude documentation you had a query about? I always prefer to help people help themselves so that they can grow in confidence and ability. |
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| 14:38.24 | SerajewelKS | god i hate xauth |
| 14:38.40 | asg | kernel_geek: possibly if the machine has WOL (Wake-on-lan) support configured |
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| 14:38.55 | debian_noob | themill:How to do the dist-upgrade using aptitude? |
| 14:39.13 | kernel_geek | Naa cba with that |
| 14:39.17 | kernel_geek | ok thanks anyway |
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| 14:39.42 | kernel_geek | Whats the easist way to reduce server power consumpsion (without turning it off) |
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| 14:40.13 | themill | debian_noob: are you running etch or lenny? |
| 14:40.26 | RoenieSrvr | press reset every minute and hold it for a minute, kernel_geek |
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| 14:40.39 | debian_noob | themill:Sid |
| 14:40.50 | asg | kernel_geek: http://lesswatts.org/ |
| 14:40.52 | mc68040 | kernel_geek: reduce cpu frequency dynamically? |
| 14:41.10 | asg | kernel_geek: there are a number of tips, tricks, and best practices there you might implement |
| 14:41.17 | kernel_geek | yup, how can i spin down my sata drives automatucly ? |
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| 14:41.37 | themill | debian_noob: uhuh... why are you running sid if you're (a) unable or unwilling to read basic documentation (b) unable to look after yourself and (c) a self-confessed newcomer to debian? |
| 14:41.45 | oxi_ | is google broken for anyone else? |
| 14:41.55 | hjb | yapp |
| 14:42.16 | oxi_ | when I visit google I get redirected to local google.ch and then it shows for every page that it could harm my computer |
| 14:42.30 | debian_noob | themill:My cousin suggested it.He told it would get updated everyday and would have the latest packages..... |
| 14:42.33 | hjb | oxi_ same thing on google.de and google.com |
| 14:42.35 | asg | oxi_: yes, seeing it here too |
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| 14:42.46 | oxi_ | hjb: |
| 14:42.51 | oxi_ | hjb: hehe |
| 14:43.03 | oxi_ | hjb: some guy is gone lose his job there |
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| 14:43.29 | mavez | yeah wtf is wrong with google |
| 14:43.38 | kernel_geek | back up again |
| 14:43.41 | themill | debian_noob: right... that wasn't very friendly of him. Perhaps he'd like to offer you full time support. As for dist-upgrade with aptitude, believe it or not, this is well documented in the aptitude documentation. http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/rn01re01.html |
| 14:43.46 | mavez | every site i visit i keep getting a page saying MALWARE WARNING FOR THIS SITE |
| 14:43.47 | mavez | lol |
| 14:44.02 | debian_noob | mavez:me too |
| 14:44.06 | mavez | :| |
| 14:44.17 | debian_noob | themill |
| 14:44.24 | mavez | don't they have test servers at google |
| 14:44.27 | mavez | fools |
| 14:44.36 | hjb | i think the net has turned out to be all evil and google realized it :-D |
| 14:44.41 | mavez | lol yeah |
| 14:44.43 | mavez | bout time |
| 14:44.50 | themill | points the discussion of google towards #debian-offtopic |
| 14:44.53 | debian_noob | themill:Hes an expert thats why he recommended |
| 14:45.44 | oxi_ | hjb: :-) |
| 14:45.57 | mavez | GOOGLE IS BROKEN! NEWSFLASH |
| 14:46.26 | debian_noob | themill:Anyways do you know the url of the Debian security updates? |
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| 14:48.41 | themill | debian_noob: there are no security updates for sid. |
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| 14:54.46 | amitz | what is the meaning of "We automatically assign a /64 to your account and route it via:ipv6 route [routed64] [clientV6Endpoint]" |
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| 14:57.40 | peter2 | is google down or something? |
| 14:57.52 | mavez | OMG |
| 14:57.55 | peter2 | if i search for something it says every site wants to harm my pc |
| 14:57.57 | patrikf | just broken I guess |
| 14:57.58 | mavez | NEWSFLASH GOOGLE BROKEN! |
| 14:58.06 | mavez | peter2 save yourself |
| 14:58.15 | peter2 | mavez, only jesus saves :-D |
| 14:58.19 | mavez | lol |
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| 14:59.28 | debian_noob | themill:I got disconnected |
| 14:59.47 | sepult | what are you talking about google, i can get to the site without any problems.... |
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| 15:00.14 | debian_noob | themill:How do i find out what Im using lenny or Sid? |
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| 15:00.59 | sepult | debian_noob: apt-cache policy will show you which repo is the highest rate... |
| 15:01.01 | peter2 | sepult, search for something and click on a link |
| 15:01.14 | sepult | peter2: ok wait |
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| 15:01.54 | sepult | peter2: ah yes now i see....lol |
| 15:02.51 | debian_noob | sepult:apt-cache policy shows me the current repos i am using. |
| 15:03.02 | ham5 | cat /etc/issue debian_noob |
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| 15:03.20 | indu | running smsbox /etc/kannel/kannel.conf is showing message ultrans_add_cfg failed |
| 15:03.25 | abrotman | ham5: that won't work |
| 15:03.32 | indu | what does this need |
| 15:03.33 | abrotman | debian_noob: look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:04.10 | debian_noob | abrotman:I edited /etc/apt/sources.list myself |
| 15:04.16 | abrotman | and? |
| 15:04.42 | debian_noob | abrotman:i did not give any security updates url |
| 15:04.53 | abrotman | debian_noob: are you running testing or unstable ? |
| 15:05.04 | debian_noob | abrotman:I am not sure |
| 15:05.10 | abrotman | debian_noob: look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:05.32 | indu | hello, could some one please help me what, how to solve this |
| 15:05.34 | indu | ultrans_add_cfg failed |
| 15:06.42 | kernel_geek | how can i spin down my sata srive when it becomes idle ? |
| 15:06.56 | amitz | peter2: yeah, I saw that too. Paranoid google. |
| 15:07.22 | multi_io | google thinks google.com may harm my computer :-P |
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| 15:07.31 | peter2 | amitz, http://www.google.de/interstitial?url=http://www.google.de/ <-- thats paranoid :-D |
| 15:07.44 | amitz | :-) |
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| 15:08.30 | asg | kernel_geek: probably with the 'sdparm' package |
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| 15:11.04 | amitz | any irc client you like to use? |
| 15:11.12 | amitz | for debian lenny |
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| 15:11.25 | mavez | irssi |
| 15:11.27 | mavez | just google it |
| 15:11.31 | mavez | bwahaha |
| 15:11.40 | masrawy | Hello, I just found /home LVM drive not mounted and after a reboot it didn't mount normally it used to be mounted in /home. |
| 15:11.41 | masrawy | Any idea? |
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| 15:11.59 | mavez | masrawy you tried google? |
| 15:12.08 | amitz | masrawy: can you mount it manually? |
| 15:12.18 | masrawy | mavez you can google if you want. |
| 15:12.23 | masrawy | amitz how? |
| 15:12.24 | mavez | lol |
| 15:12.31 | masrawy | I managed to do it via rescue mode |
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| 15:12.39 | masrawy | but I don't know how to do it via the normal mode. |
| 15:12.53 | multi_io | mount /home |
| 15:12.56 | multi_io | (probably) |
| 15:13.01 | masrawy | mount: special device /dev/VG_home/LV_home does not exist |
| 15:13.05 | noob | ham5:/etc/issue says:Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
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| 15:13.31 | ndmipodtouch | google is over |
| 15:13.34 | ndmipodtouch | This site may harm your computer |
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| 15:13.52 | ndmipodtouch | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tC6W1XRzbUw&feature=channel_page |
| 15:13.53 | noob | ndmipodtouch:You are right |
| 15:14.11 | noob | ndmipodtouch:Even i got that |
| 15:14.25 | ndmipodtouch | yer |
| 15:14.28 | ndmipodtouch | internet is over |
| 15:14.35 | mavez | indeed |
| 15:14.37 | abrotman | ndmipodtouch: wrong channel |
| 15:14.42 | multi_io | this is gonna be on CNN |
| 15:14.44 | abrotman | try #google |
| 15:14.45 | amitz | masrawy: can't help you, not enough knowledge |
| 15:14.46 | ndmipodtouch | i know |
| 15:15.05 | kernel_geek | google is up again sorry bout that |
| 15:15.13 | ndmipodtouch | fixed |
| 15:15.24 | abrotman | seriously .. we don't care, go away |
| 15:15.39 | noob | How do i know what version of Debian i am using? |
| 15:15.39 | kernel_geek | Yeah its not a big deal lol |
| 15:15.48 | hoxu | noob, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:15.50 | ndmipodtouch | down |
| 15:16.01 | asg | noob: /msg dpkg debian version |
| 15:16.26 | multi_io | masrawy: look into /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages for suspicious warnings about LVM not working |
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| 15:17.04 | masrawy | ok multi_io |
| 15:17.20 | multi_io | masrawy: do you have other LVM-mounted stuff? |
| 15:18.02 | scuderiaf1 | hello all. what email program loads with debian? |
| 15:18.09 | masrawy | multi_io http://rafb.net/p/JeQvdd36.html |
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| 15:18.15 | masrawy | Well the server used to be fine |
| 15:18.15 | lvh | hi |
| 15:18.21 | masrawy | suddenly my ssh key wont get accepted |
| 15:18.21 | noob | hoxu:It says 5.0 |
| 15:18.22 | lvh | anyone know a decent screencast program? |
| 15:18.27 | magyar | it looks like google got pwned -__ |
| 15:18.37 | ndmipodtouch | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tC6W1XRzbUw&feature=channel_page |
| 15:18.38 | ndmipodtouch | lol |
| 15:18.38 | DaRtH_VaDeR | yep |
| 15:18.39 | DaRtH_VaDeR | xD |
| 15:18.40 | ndmipodtouch | its over |
| 15:18.42 | masrawy | so after getting the password reset via rescue mode, I changed pass and login then found no home |
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| 15:19.04 | scuderiaf1 | hello all. what email program loads with debian? |
| 15:19.05 | abrotman | !ot |
| 15:19.05 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 15:19.06 | hoxu | ndmipodtouch, stop posting youtube links to your channel |
| 15:19.16 | abrotman | scuderiaf1: whichever you choose |
| 15:19.41 | scuderiaf1 | abrotman: thats kewl. does it load one by default? |
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| 15:20.02 | noob | scuderiafi:Evolution |
| 15:20.08 | abrotman | scuderiaf1: a GUI or CLI one ? |
| 15:20.11 | abrotman | noob: no |
| 15:20.22 | noob | abrotman:It does |
| 15:20.32 | abrotman | noob: no it does not |
| 15:21.17 | scuderiaf1 | evolution is good. cli? you freakin' use vi don't ya.... |
| 15:21.26 | abrotman | i do |
| 15:21.31 | asg | mutt ftw |
| 15:21.33 | scuderiaf1 | << vim |
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| 15:21.47 | lvh | what's wrong with mutt? |
| 15:21.49 | abrotman | vi/vim .. whatever .. i used to be fine with nvi |
| 15:21.55 | abrotman | not the default anymore i guess |
| 15:22.05 | abrotman | scuderiaf1: so choose an email client and install it |
| 15:22.27 | lvh | abrotman: I think it's still the default one debian installs, most .vi. users just moved to vim, I think. |
| 15:22.36 | noob | Hey i need to know whether im using sid or lenny |
| 15:22.55 | abrotman | noob: i've told you twice already .. look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:23.06 | lvh | noob: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep sid |
| 15:23.08 | scuderiaf1 | roger that on the email. |
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| 15:23.16 | lvh | noob: Also try grepping it for experimental and unstable |
| 15:23.31 | lvh | noob: unstable and sid are the same thing, experimental is even worse |
| 15:23.35 | noob | lvh: i use the repos of sid i added myself |
| 15:23.40 | noob | so its no use |
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| 15:23.47 | lvh | noob: Then you're running sid packages |
| 15:23.52 | abrotman | noob: when did you add them? |
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| 15:24.06 | noob | abrotman:because i wanted to |
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| 15:24.15 | lvh | when != why |
| 15:24.19 | abrotman | WHEN |
| 15:24.27 | abrotman | you have serious reading issues |
| 15:24.49 | lvh | may I reccomend terminus? It's an excellent font :-p |
| 15:24.55 | noob | abrotman:when i installed debian, i had lenny then i changed it to sid later on |
| 15:25.14 | lvh | noob: And you've done sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade since then? |
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| 15:25.26 | noob | lvh:yes |
| 15:25.31 | lvh | noob: Then you're runnin gsid. |
| 15:25.34 | noob | lvh:Im doing i now again |
| 15:25.39 | lvh | noob: running* sid* |
| 15:25.44 | noob | lvh:Thanks |
| 15:25.47 | lvh | noob: Then you'll still be running sid. |
| 15:25.49 | abrotman | noob: then why are you confused? |
| 15:25.56 | abrotman | noob: you shouldn't be running sid |
| 15:25.59 | atc- | hello all - anyone had an issue where they type and scroll lock/caps lock will turn on/off whatever the type and it seems the ctrl+shift keys are 'stuck'? |
| 15:26.18 | noob | abrotman:why? |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | you're not capable |
| 15:26.32 | lvh | abrotman: gentoo! -ffuck-floats-use-unsigned-integers-instead |
| 15:26.40 | abrotman | lvh: i really don't care |
| 15:26.49 | noob | abrotman:i know |
| 15:27.05 | Aethelred | I used Google to search on a package (r-base-core-ra), and they returned as their first link packages.debian.org/sid/r-base-core-ra ... which seemed like a clear win for me; except that when I clicked on it Google directed me to their MALWARE WARNING!! page. |
| 15:27.18 | abrotman | Aethelred: ignore it |
| 15:27.21 | Aethelred | So I'm thinking that someone at debian might want to know that this is happening. |
| 15:27.29 | Aethelred | I don't think it's malware |
| 15:27.40 | valdyn | Aethelred: its a google bug, and google fixed it already |
| 15:27.41 | lvh | abrotman: (I'm not running gentoo, I was suggesting an alternative, since they have roughly equal amounts of people of equal capability running sid-quality software) |
| 15:27.45 | lvh | abrotman: It's a google problem. |
| 15:27.45 | Aethelred | But I *do* think that it's bad for debian. |
| 15:27.48 | abrotman | lvh: again, i don't care |
| 15:27.57 | Aethelred | If they fixed it already, why did it just happen to me not 5 minutes ago? |
| 15:27.59 | lvh | err |
| 15:28.02 | valdyn | Aethelred: everything was marked malware in google |
| 15:28.03 | lvh | Aethelred: It's a google problem. |
| 15:28.07 | d-b | Aethelred: try again. |
| 15:28.09 | noob | Whats the url for security packages? |
| 15:28.13 | valdyn | Aethelred: because it was fixed few minutes ago, and google is a huge system |
| 15:28.15 | d-b | google fscked up. |
| 15:28.16 | noob | Whats the url for security updates? |
| 15:28.22 | Aethelred | Yes, I KNOW it's a google problem. I didn't know if the debian community knew. |
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| 15:28.26 | d-b | security.debian.org ? |
| 15:28.29 | Aethelred | So, I, you know, showed up to ask. |
| 15:28.32 | lvh | noob: You're running sid. |
| 15:28.32 | abrotman | noob: you've been told .. there are NONE |
| 15:28.39 | lvh | noob: sid has no security updates. |
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| 15:28.47 | noob | abrotman:i want of lenny |
| 15:28.48 | lvh | noob: This is because sid is unstable, and you shouldn't be running it. |
| 15:28.55 | abrotman | noob: time to reinstall |
| 15:28.56 | themill | Aethelred: we know, and it's already been fixed as you've been told. |
| 15:29.05 | noob | lvh:it never crashed |
| 15:29.07 | lvh | noob: Doesn't help. Software in sid is almost always newer, so you won't upgrade to the security-fixed versions. |
| 15:29.27 | noob | lvh:it updates itself |
| 15:29.32 | abrotman | noob: reinstall your system, use lenny |
| 15:29.44 | noob | lvh:or i have to run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 15:29.44 | lvh | noob: Using both a sid repo and a testing security updates repo is entirely pointless. |
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| 15:29.57 | abrotman | noob: reinstall your system, use lenny |
| 15:29.57 | noob | abrotman:Why? |
| 15:29.58 | lvh | noob: No, you have to reinstall your box. You can't reliably downgrade software. |
| 15:30.02 | Aethelred | Ok, so, I'm late to this party. When did all this happen? When was it "fixed"? |
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| 15:30.07 | abrotman | Aethelred: ask #google |
| 15:30.11 | valdyn | Aethelred: slashdot.org |
| 15:30.18 | noob | aethelred:recently |
| 15:30.24 | Aethelred | Thanks :) |
| 15:30.24 | lvh | Aethelred: digg frontpage and probably slashdot has an article |
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| 15:30.24 | noob | aethelred:few minutes back |
| 15:30.26 | d-b | Aethelred: they dono't run debian ^^ |
| 15:30.28 | lvh | Aethelred: about 45 min ago |
| 15:30.28 | hoxu | Aethelred, news.google.com and search for "google" |
| 15:30.29 | d-b | don't* |
| 15:30.38 | noob | abrotman:Why? |
| 15:30.59 | abrotman | noob: you want lenny, you're on sid .. reinstall your system |
| 15:31.01 | lvh | noob: Because you can't downgrade from sid! |
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| 15:31.16 | noob | lvh:i dont want to! |
| 15:31.23 | noob | abrotman:i dont want to! |
| 15:31.30 | lvh | noob: You don't know what you want. |
| 15:31.36 | lvh | noob: you want lenny's security repo. |
| 15:31.40 | abrotman | decides that noob can't communicate |
| 15:31.48 | lvh | noob: This, plus downgrading from sid, makes no sense. |
| 15:31.50 | noob | lvh:i dont want it i was just asking |
| 15:32.04 | themill | noob: As I've already told you, users of sid are expected to look after themselves and to be able to read documentation. You are unable to do either of these. You'd be better off with lenny. |
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| 15:32.16 | noob | ok |
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| 15:32.24 | noob | but i cant do a fresh install now |
| 15:32.39 | lvh | noob: Get sid out of your sources now, though |
| 15:32.53 | lvh | noob: It'll take a while, but eventually newer software will seep through to lenny |
| 15:32.54 | abrotman | lvh: it doesn't matter, it's too late |
| 15:33.01 | abrotman | lvh: no it won't |
| 15:33.06 | abrotman | you're not helping the situation |
| 15:33.11 | noob | lvh:if i changed my repos to lenny will it work? |
| 15:33.12 | lvh | abrotman: I agree, but it's the next best thing from reinstalling. |
| 15:33.16 | lvh | noob: No. |
| 15:33.16 | abrotman | noob: NO NO NO |
| 15:33.29 | noob | ok |
| 15:33.31 | abrotman | lvh: so stop lying to him |
| 15:33.34 | lvh | noob: However, taking sid out of your repos is slightly less bad than leaving it in. |
| 15:33.45 | lvh | Not much. |
| 15:33.45 | abrotman | lvh: no it's not |
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| 15:33.54 | abrotman | it's not better at all |
| 15:34.04 | abrotman | please stop helping if oyu're not going to actually be any help |
| 15:34.06 | noob | whats the disadvantage of sid? |
| 15:34.18 | lvh | noob: If it breaks, you get to keep the pieces. |
| 15:34.19 | noob | whats the problem with it? |
| 15:34.22 | asg | noob: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:34.23 | davi | what is the advantage of stable? |
| 15:34.27 | scuderiaf1 | abrotman: help me to determine if i ( my latitude d600 ) am a internet install candidate.... |
| 15:34.33 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 15:34.34 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 15:34.57 | noob | lvh:what do yuo mean? |
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| 15:35.09 | scuderiaf1 | Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 15:35.14 | lvh | noob: Read what the bot just said. |
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| 15:35.19 | noob | i did |
| 15:35.22 | abrotman | scuderiaf1: please turn that off |
| 15:35.24 | asg | scuderiaf1: not with a wireless net install but the ethernet card should be supported |
| 15:35.42 | scuderiaf1 | abort... sorry... i was trying to be funny |
| 15:35.52 | asg | scuderiaf1: you can verify if your model is supported (and to what extent) at http://tuxmobile.org/ |
| 15:35.55 | abrotman | checks which day it is |
| 15:36.00 | hoxu | !turday |
| 15:36.00 | dpkg | You are in a room crowded with gleeful lunatics and frustrated long-bearded fellows. You can see the <saturday> factoid hanging on the wall and <sunday> is lurking right around the corner. There are no exits. |
| 15:36.11 | scuderiaf1 | asg: roger that I have a ethernet connection to my laptop |
| 15:36.19 | noob | lvh:i am NOT a system administrator i am a 14 year old boy i dont care if my system crashes |
| 15:36.39 | noob | lvh:i can reinstall |
| 15:36.42 | lvh | noob: But the reason abrotman is lashing out at me is because nothing you can realistically accomplish other than reinstalling with lenny will fix your system from the mess it is in now. |
| 15:36.57 | noob | lvh:Hmmmmmmmm |
| 15:36.58 | abrotman | i'm not lashing yet ... |
| 15:36.59 | scuderiaf1 | asg: going to tux now... ty |
| 15:37.13 | noob | abrotman:whats your problem |
| 15:37.25 | lvh | noob: You're not doing what you're told. |
| 15:37.29 | abrotman | you're not reading anything people are telling you |
| 15:37.35 | noob | Ok Ok |
| 15:37.36 | lvh | noob: Please reinstall with lenny. |
| 15:37.37 | noob | sorry |
| 15:37.43 | noob | i will later |
| 15:37.58 | noob | my exams are coming i dont have enough time to |
| 15:38.06 | noob | i will do it later |
| 15:38.08 | noob | Ok? |
| 15:38.10 | lvh | noob: I still think if you WONT reinstall, taking sid out is a good idea -- abrotman apparently disagrees with me :-p |
| 15:38.11 | noob | Happy? |
| 15:38.19 | valdyn | noob: it means reinstall with lenny if you want to ask questions here, do whatever you want. |
| 15:38.27 | abrotman | lvh: it's a *horrible* idea .. stop telling him to do that |
| 15:38.46 | noob | abrotman:Explain why |
| 15:38.46 | abrotman | lvh: he'll be left iwth a mixed system and unlikely to install some apps |
| 15:38.55 | lvh | abrotman: he has dependency hell coming for him |
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| 15:38.59 | noob | ok.... |
| 15:39.03 | abrotman | yes, so reinstall |
| 15:39.07 | lvh | abrotman: That's the point. |
| 15:39.12 | abrotman | he cannot simply remove the sid source and be okay |
| 15:39.22 | noob | abrotman i told you i will after my exams finish |
| 15:39.23 | abrotman | his system will be unable to find some packages |
| 15:39.31 | lvh | abrotman: Of course not -- you assume I was trying to make his system less hosed |
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| 15:39.42 | abrotman | that's what you're saying oyu're trying to do |
| 15:39.42 | noob | abrotman:thats right |
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| 15:40.02 | lvh | abrotman: Better for him, or better for his system? |
| 15:40.09 | abrotman | not better in any way |
| 15:40.13 | noob | abrotman:ill do it the 1st thing after my exams finish |
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| 15:40.24 | stermi | hi all, i have a big big problem. I have to manually install glib-2.0 to a machine where i have no root rights, only user rights, someone can help me? It's a debian distribuction |
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| 15:40.29 | hoxu | noob, do you have further debian-related questions? |
| 15:40.29 | stermi | when i try to do gcc `pkg-config --cflags --libs glib-2.0` -Wall -pedantic -g -c dserver.c -o dserver.o it says: gcc: -lglib-2.0: linker input file unused because linking not don |
| 15:40.43 | lvh | abrotman: I disagree, but I think we can both agree that 'for the love of god reinstall and don't put sid near your sources.list again'? |
| 15:40.44 | noob | hoxu:why do you ask? |
| 15:40.55 | abrotman | lvh: how is a system that can't find packages "better" ? |
| 15:40.57 | hoxu | noob, if not, come back when you've reinstalled |
| 15:41.20 | noob | lvh:Ok im doin that as soon as i install lenny |
| 15:41.21 | lvh | abrotman: A properly hosed system is a great incentive to not go near sid again |
| 15:41.31 | noob | lvh:you use sid/ |
| 15:41.35 | noob | lvh:you use sid? |
| 15:41.44 | abrotman | lvh: so you want to screw up his system to teach him a lesson? |
| 15:41.48 | asg | lvh: the problem with that theory these days is that people will come in here and bitch and complain instead of learning the fact. |
| 15:41.49 | lvh | noob: I have a sid box, but I'm not letting it anywhere anything I use for production. |
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| 15:42.12 | noob | asg:I am sorry for doing that. |
| 15:42.14 | lvh | noob: there should be 'near' in that sentence somewhere. |
| 15:42.31 | noob | lvh:ok |
| 15:42.32 | abrotman | a near sid box ? |
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| 15:42.48 | lvh | noob: So, long story short: reinstall, don't use sid on anything you actually plan on using for anything remotely important. |
| 15:42.58 | abrotman | no .. don't use sid |
| 15:43.04 | noob | abrotman: I have a sid box, but I'm not letting it anywhere near anything I use for production. |
| 15:43.10 | noob | ok |
| 15:43.17 | noob | i got the message |
| 15:43.22 | stermi | i don't think it's a warning |
| 15:43.37 | stermi | do you know how to install glib manually? |
| 15:43.40 | abrotman | stermi: we didn't get your whole error .. try using paste.debian.net |
| 15:43.42 | stermi | without root? |
| 15:43.58 | valdyn | stermi: so you dont have libglib2.0-dev installed |
| 15:44.00 | lvh | noob: sid's for developers and testers. You're neither. |
| 15:44.10 | noob | whats the advantage ? |
| 15:44.24 | abrotman | can we drop it? |
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| 15:44.32 | lvh | noob: You get to find bugs and fix them, so that the junk doesn't get into any important repo (testing or stable). |
| 15:44.33 | stermi | i need them |
| 15:44.37 | noob | lvh:i know im just a normal 14 year old kid |
| 15:44.40 | stermi | can i install it manually valdyn ? |
| 15:44.41 | abrotman | he should be on lenny, doesn't need to be a discussion |
| 15:44.43 | valdyn | stermi: depending on what else is missing this might be very hard to fix as a user |
| 15:44.53 | noob | abrotman:OK |
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| 15:45.13 | noob | abrotman:Ill do it as soon as i can |
| 15:45.14 | valdyn | stermi: see, libglib2.0-dev again depends on plenty stuff that you might not have installed |
| 15:45.28 | stermi | sorry valdyn i don't understand |
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| 15:45.41 | lvh | noob: But, as soon as you learn the ropes (on a stbale box) and you actually *want* to test/develop, you can think of using sid. |
| 15:45.49 | lvh | noob: Right now, you shouldn't be using it. |
| 15:45.50 | valdyn | stermi: whats hard to understand? |
| 15:45.59 | abrotman | lvh: please drop it |
| 15:46.00 | noob | lvh:long time |
| 15:46.10 | stermi | my english is not so good with tecnical things :) |
| 15:46.33 | Aethelred | How does a 14-year-old kid, with a sid install, arguing with people on freenode #debian, qualify as "normal" ? |
| 15:46.49 | stermi | libglib2.0-dev is not installed, how can i see which are the dependens of it? |
| 15:46.54 | lvh | stermi: You probably want root access. |
| 15:47.01 | noob | aethelred:I dont know |
| 15:47.05 | lvh | stermi: Probably == almost certainly. |
| 15:47.19 | hekatomb | Aethelred: I think everone is pretty tired of that particular subject |
| 15:47.23 | Aethelred | Don't get me wrong, kudos to you noob (if that really IS your name!), but really... don't we need to recalibrate our "normal" meters? |
| 15:47.32 | hoxu | drop it |
| 15:47.35 | stermi | i don't need to install it really... i only need to link it to my program |
| 15:47.36 | valdyn | stermi: at http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 15:47.45 | noob | aethelred:;-) |
| 15:47.58 | noob | aethelred:BTW my names kashyap |
| 15:47.58 | valdyn | stermi: or apt-cache depends <packagename> |
| 15:48.13 | hoxu | noob, take your offtopic discussion to #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 15:48.15 | lvh | stermi: Well, what valdyn meant was: it mighjt not be *ONLY* that which you need. |
| 15:48.23 | scuderiaf1 | asg: tuxmobil has given me some insight on the scope of my undertaken. undertaken = converting my hardy heron to debian. restated. it looks like a *#3load of work. |
| 15:48.35 | stermi | how can i see if i have installed others packages? |
| 15:48.38 | noob | hoxu:it has ended |
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| 15:48.56 | lvh | scuderiaf1: You can convert hardy to debian? Other than reinstalling? |
| 15:48.59 | valdyn | stermi: dpkg -l |
| 15:49.00 | Aethelred | Carrumba... is everyone here grumpy? |
| 15:49.18 | noob | aethelred:what do you mean? |
| 15:49.34 | asg | scuderiaf1: Could be. I don't have experience with d600s but I had a d610 that was easy to get working and currently a d420 that works like a charm. If you aren't into fooling around though, no reason not to stay with hardy if that works for you. |
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| 15:50.06 | lvh | scuderiaf1: Reinstalling, yes. Using repos to convert from one to the other: hell no. |
| 15:50.08 | valdyn | stermi: and read the build-depends at apt-cache showsrc libglib2.0-dev |
| 15:50.16 | scuderiaf1 | lvn: reinstall. yes |
| 15:50.24 | scuderiaf1 | lvh...srry |
| 15:51.01 | lvh | scuderiaf1: (using repos would be comparable to the hose-your-box advice I was trying to give noob, except probably even more effective) |
| 15:51.07 | lvh | scuderiaf1: You'll be fine. |
| 15:51.23 | lvh | scuderiaf1: Just use wired ethernet and not wifi for the installation, and you can get away with a minimal install CD. |
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| 15:51.56 | Aethelred | Whoa... now when I try to follow a link through Google it gives me a 403 FORBIDDEN. |
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| 15:52.37 | valdyn | Aethelred: try differnt country codes on google |
| 15:52.54 | valdyn | Aethelred: fixes might propagate slow, my google is working fine |
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| 15:53.07 | abrotman | Aethelred: have you tried #google ? |
| 15:53.12 | noob | aethelred:Google is gone |
| 15:53.16 | noob | Bye |
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| 15:53.50 | scuderiaf1 | scuderiaf1: hardy is cursing along fine. i am about to load pgadmin III... and i been thinking about reloading since reading a slashdot article that made me feel like my os was a tricycle.... |
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| 15:54.24 | MarkJones | Can anyone tell me if Etch 4.0r6 has support for basic intel graphics chips out of the box? Cause I tried it on my parents PC before with 4.0r4 I beleive and it only supported 640x480 and nothing more out of the box.Anyone know any different for r6? |
| 15:54.30 | ringo999 | what is a good way to concatenate mp4 files? |
| 15:54.51 | stermi | http://paste.debian.net/27310/ and apt-cache showsrc libglib2.0-dev doesn't work i don't know why, simply do nothing |
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| 15:55.10 | abrotman | MarkJones: which chipset ? |
| 15:55.19 | MarkJones | Im not exactly sure. |
| 15:55.25 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
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| 15:55.29 | lvh | ringo999: vlc? |
| 15:55.34 | MarkJones | There currently ising Ubuntu.I could go check it. |
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| 15:55.47 | lvh | ringo999: Playlist of input, write to a file (transcode if neccesary) |
| 15:55.49 | MarkJones | I want to switch them to the WAY more reliable Debian like myself. |
| 15:56.05 | MarkJones | Ill be right back.Ill go check. |
| 15:56.06 | laufer_mnm | if apt-cache showpkg subversion gives me 1.4 and 1.5, and 1.4 is installed, how can i install or upgrade to 1.5? apt-get upgrade doesnt upgrade it |
| 15:56.13 | ringo999 | lvh: thanks |
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| 15:56.36 | lvh | MarkJones: Which one? |
| 15:56.37 | ringo999 | lvh: is there commandline command for that? |
| 15:56.57 | lvh | MarkJones: I'm typing this on an intel graphics based laptop, works like a charm out of the box |
| 15:57.07 | stermi | valdyn, can't i just download it and link them manually to my program? |
| 15:57.15 | lvh | ringo999: Yep, but I don't know it by heart, try and find a tutorial online, there's plenty. |
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| 15:57.26 | MarkJones | IBM NetVista 8305-HU1 PC. |
| 15:57.32 | MarkJones | See if I can google it. |
| 15:57.50 | abrotman | Aethelred: please don't msg me |
| 15:58.01 | lvh | I've got this: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
| 15:58.12 | lvh | I'm not entirely sure what the nonmobile equivalent of that is. |
| 15:58.50 | Aethelred | abrotman: No, I haven't tried #google. I ran across this looking for a .deb ... so I dropped in here. I understand that it's mostly off-topic. I didn't understand that the tolerance for off-topic was so low. |
| 15:58.56 | lvh | I've also shipped a few desktop boxes that work fine, aslo with similar intel chips (albeit nonmobile). I think I've got the invoices here somewhere -- it's the most recent generation of production intel chips anyway :-) |
| 15:59.22 | abrotman | Aethelred: you were the 50th person to tell us that google was broken |
| 15:59.26 | valdyn | stermi: yes |
| 15:59.29 | lvh | MarkJones: Long story short: you'll probably be fine, but you might need to tell Xorg to use the 'intel' driver manually. |
| 15:59.43 | abrotman | MarkJones: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 15:59.48 | MarkJones | IBM website says Intel Extreme Graphics do I need an exact model number to be sure it works? |
| 15:59.52 | abrotman | lvh: etch doesn't have 'intel' unless you install it |
| 15:59.58 | lvh | MarkJones: Sounds about right. |
| 16:00.01 | stermi | valdyn, is there a tutorial to do it? And if i don't know which is the architecture of that pc? |
| 16:00.02 | MarkJones | ok |
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| 16:00.25 | Aethelred | abrotman: yes, I get that now. Eventually, someone said "yeah, we all know, it's not news" |
| 16:00.41 | MarkJones | Cause I have etch installed and the xorg intel drivers are installed.Never knew about them before when I treidd on there PC before. |
| 16:00.43 | lvh | abrotman: You're probably right, I used -video-all |
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| 16:00.50 | abrotman | lvh: it doesn't matter |
| 16:01.05 | MarkJones | If I install the xorg intel package do I have to do any configuring or will it pick it up and use it on reboot? |
| 16:01.07 | abrotman | MarkJones: etch defaults to i810 .. you must install the intel driver |
| 16:01.16 | MarkJones | ok |
| 16:01.24 | abrotman | MarkJones: you'll have to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose intel |
| 16:01.31 | abrotman | and leave the BusID blank |
| 16:01.33 | MarkJones | eek |
| 16:01.34 | lvh | MarkJones: You will need to put Driver "intel" in the "Device" section of xorg.conf |
| 16:01.41 | lvh | MarkJones: Or use the command abrotman just gave you. |
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| 16:02.38 | valdyn | stermi: this is a little more tricky than what tutarials do |
| 16:02.41 | lvh | MarkJones: So, supported: yes, entirely out of the box: well no :-) |
| 16:02.50 | MarkJones | "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" i just put that in the terminal and nothing |
| 16:03.02 | abrotman | MarkJones: it will ask you a bunch of questions .. |
| 16:03.16 | valdyn | stermi: this is silly to do without root |
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| 16:03.26 | MarkJones | oh here it goes in root terminal |
| 16:03.44 | lvh | MarkJones: Oh, btw (not entirely sure if this applies to your situation, but I ran into it) -- if wdm, or dmenu, or some other app that guesses screen dimensions 'gets it wrong' (ie isnt centered, or a menu appears in the middle of your screen) -- disable one of the video outputs. (Likely to only be important if it's a laptop) |
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| 16:04.07 | lvh | MarkJones: I don't think that's intel specific though. |
| 16:04.25 | MarkJones | ok |
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| 16:04.49 | tuxcrafter | hello everybody |
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| 16:04.54 | valdyn | stermi: and its also entirely unrelated to #debian |
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| 16:05.00 | lvh | MarkJones: (disabling: xrandr --off) |
| 16:05.09 | tuxcrafter | is there somebody here that lives in the UK and can sent me an screenshot of totem playing something of the BBC |
| 16:05.22 | tuxcrafter | scrot --delay 3 --border --select |
| 16:05.30 | tuxcrafter | and < 800x6000 |
| 16:05.32 | tuxcrafter | and < 800x600 |
| 16:05.34 | stermi | i was askin to debian couse that machine is a debian |
| 16:05.41 | tuxcrafter | it is for an article i am writing |
| 16:05.56 | MarkJones | Well tell me this though.The package listed in synaptic called "xserver-xorg-video-intel" is that the actual driver? |
| 16:06.00 | tuxcrafter | for silverlight use by the dutch public broadcast studios |
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| 16:06.07 | lvh | MarkJones: Yep. |
| 16:06.07 | abrotman | MarkJones: install that, yes |
| 16:06.10 | valdyn | stermi: thats ok, its just way beyond the scope if what im willing to support |
| 16:06.11 | MarkJones | ok cool |
| 16:06.13 | Muzer | How would I use a pipe with dpkg? |
| 16:06.20 | Muzer | I want to pipe a list of package names to dpkg to remove |
| 16:06.29 | valdyn | stermi: get a box with root access and do it there |
| 16:06.36 | lvh | MarkJones: That'll pull in a lot of stuff if you dont have X yet (not sure how you installed -- try x-window-system too) |
| 16:06.42 | stermi | that machine is of university |
| 16:06.44 | valdyn | stermi: or build a virtual machine, and do it in there |
| 16:06.48 | abrotman | lvh: have you ever used debian? |
| 16:06.55 | stermi | it's working on my virtual machine |
| 16:07.01 | lvh | abrotman: yes? |
| 16:07.14 | valdyn | stermi: so why would you need to compile elsewhere? |
| 16:07.23 | MarkJones | So xorg wont just pick the driver up and run with it huh? Im pretty sure Ill forget that terminal command. |
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| 16:07.30 | valdyn | stermi: you can transfer that virtual machien to that university box |
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| 16:07.31 | abrotman | MarkJones: in etch, no |
| 16:07.38 | MarkJones | ok |
| 16:07.52 | abrotman | MarkJones: lenny tries to do magic |
| 16:07.59 | lvh | MarkJones: It'll pick *a* driver |
| 16:08.06 | lvh | MarkJones: Just not the one you want. |
| 16:08.06 | stermi | couse this professor want that my program run on that stupd old machines, without without libs for developing |
| 16:08.09 | MarkJones | lol |
| 16:08.25 | valdyn | stermi: create a statically linked binary |
| 16:08.40 | MarkJones | Are there any GUIs for that terminal command? |
| 16:08.45 | MarkJones | to make it easier? |
| 16:08.48 | stermi | the problem is that i don't know what is a statically linked binary |
| 16:08.50 | lvh | MarkJones: Which one? dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 16:08.54 | stermi | :) |
| 16:08.54 | MarkJones | yes |
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| 16:09.01 | stermi | i'm not so "pro" with linux |
| 16:09.04 | abrotman | MarkJones: a GUI wouldn't make it easier, it would be the same questions |
| 16:09.12 | valdyn | stermi: thats not a linux thing, thats a computer thing |
| 16:09.19 | MarkJones | well I mean "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" im not gonna remeber all that. |
| 16:09.29 | jelly-home | MarkJones: write it down? |
| 16:09.30 | lvh | MarkJones: dpkg-reconfigure is 'sorta' gui -- it's curses. |
| 16:09.47 | lvh | MarkJones: Copy it? |
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| 16:09.56 | lvh | MarkJones: Oh, right, you're not installing that box now. |
| 16:10.11 | valdyn | stermi: run arch on your university machine |
| 16:10.19 | valdyn | stermi: see shich arch that is |
| 16:10.24 | abrotman | MarkJones: have you install etch already? |
| 16:10.27 | MarkJones | Ok so I typed in dpkg-reconfigure by itself so I see its a tool to configure pakcgaes right? |
| 16:10.35 | lvh | MarkJones: Yes. |
| 16:10.49 | stermi | i686 |
| 16:10.52 | MarkJones | ok Im learning the terminal as I go Im getting better with it. |
| 16:10.59 | valdyn | stermi: that fits to your virtual machine i guess |
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| 16:11.02 | abrotman | MarkJones: have you thought about installing lenny for your folks ? |
| 16:11.20 | valdyn | stermi: now compile your thing, after that run "ldd /path/to/yourthing" |
| 16:11.25 | MarkJones | Well how stable is lenny for i386? Ive tried it before and couldnt even find Synaptic. |
| 16:11.27 | valdyn | stermi: that will list you a bunch of files |
| 16:11.40 | lvh | MarkJones: You can also edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually. That's not neccesarily easier, but you can prepare a config file and then you'd just have to copy. |
| 16:11.46 | valdyn | stermi: AT MOST you need all those files to be copied to your unix machine |
| 16:12.07 | valdyn | stermi: now assuming you put the executable and the libraries into the same directory |
| 16:12.23 | lvh | MarkJones: I'm not sure what seems less daunting to you. |
| 16:12.28 | MarkJones | Ive been wanting to switch to lenny too if its stabel enough.But not as unstable as Ubuntu IMO. |
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| 16:12.44 | valdyn | stermi: ( on that university machine ), you can run "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./ ./mything |
| 16:12.59 | stermi | valdyn, when you say your're thing you mean the library or my program? couse my professor want to compile it and not a already made |
| 16:13.02 | valdyn | stermi: but maybe you dont need to copy anything |
| 16:13.08 | valdyn | stermi: i mean your program |
| 16:13.10 | abrotman | MarkJones: how long has it been ? it's pretty stable |
| 16:13.16 | MarkJones | months |
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| 16:13.23 | MarkJones | 2 months maybe |
| 16:13.31 | stermi | i can't, she wants to compile each parts alone |
| 16:13.46 | MarkJones | Think Lenny might pick it up off that bat? |
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| 16:14.00 | valdyn | stermi: thats retarded |
| 16:14.22 | valdyn | stermi: seriously, doing the "linux from scratch" thing just to build one program |
| 16:14.24 | stermi | i know, how is retarded that i can't install a library to develop |
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| 16:15.14 | lvh | stermi: Depends on a lot of circumstances, but why won't your support just install that lib? |
| 16:15.28 | lvh | stermi: If you're the only person using that box, etc etc. |
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| 16:15.50 | stermi | she said i can't install it |
| 16:16.03 | MarkJones | Ok well I think you convinced me, Ima go download a CD of lenny and try it and see if its better than before. |
| 16:16.13 | MarkJones | Thanks guys.Ill be back later. |
| 16:16.21 | valdyn | stermi: now you need to follow upstream docs to compile libglib at $HOME |
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| 16:16.36 | valdyn | stermi: and possibly dependencies too |
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| 16:16.54 | lvh | stermi: don't worry, it'll remind you of why you love apt |
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| 16:17.40 | valdyn | stermi: all those tools support --prefix on their configure script. That and LD_LIBRARY_PATH is all that you need |
| 16:18.00 | valdyn | stermi: but if you have to start building stuff at the make tool, then this is not going to be fun |
| 16:18.09 | stermi | so i need to download the .deb and install it on my home folder right? |
| 16:18.22 | valdyn | stermi: no, build upstream .tar.gz files |
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| 16:18.46 | valdyn | stermi: you *can* use .debs, but i cant teach you that |
| 16:18.48 | stermi | sorry i didn't understand, i'm not used to use those things |
| 16:19.07 | valdyn | stermi: you got some reading to do then |
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| 16:19.55 | valdyn | stermi: maybe a starting point is http://www.gtk.org/download-linux.html |
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| 16:21.19 | funky | hello |
| 16:21.45 | valdyn | stermi: but i suggest you talk to your prof, since this is insane, and you wouldnt have to do this stupid shit if you developed in java or windows |
| 16:21.50 | funky | a question about how aptitude manages dependencies |
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| 16:22.24 | funky | I'm going to install a .deb package from outside any repository, then I'm going to install some packages which depends on the first package from the debian repositories |
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| 16:22.37 | funky | I'm going to mark all those as automatically installed |
| 16:22.50 | funky | but I'd like to tell aptitude that they depend on the first one |
| 16:22.52 | Mitar | how can i script apt-get so that it returns 0 even if I try to remove non existing package? |
| 16:22.55 | funky | but.. is this possible ? |
| 16:24.03 | abrotman | funky: you can mark them auto and then later if nothing depends on them, they should be removed |
| 16:24.12 | funky | abrotman: I know |
| 16:24.33 | funky | that why I want to tell aptitude that those were automatically installed by the first package |
| 16:24.47 | funky | (the one which doesn't come from any repository) |
| 16:25.24 | abrotman | it doesn't know which package installed it AFAIK .. it just knows that something depends on it |
| 16:25.41 | funky | that's what I see reading the man page |
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| 16:25.53 | funky | then |
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| 16:26.34 | funky | what would the the way to remove all those deps automatically when I wanted to remove the .deb downloaded from some place? |
| 16:26.41 | funky | would be* |
| 16:26.55 | funky | there should be some way to achieve it |
| 16:26.56 | cusco | !deborphan |
| 16:26.56 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. Ask me about <debfoster><autoremove><unmarkauto>. |
| 16:27.08 | funky | I know deborphan |
| 16:27.18 | abrotman | funky: mark them auto .. when you remove the .deb, it should remove them |
| 16:27.19 | funky | cusco: have you understood my question? |
| 16:27.34 | cusco | sorry I might have misread it |
| 16:28.04 | funky | abrotman: how does aptitude know that all those manually marked as auto packages depend on the one got from some place?¿ |
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| 16:28.13 | abrotman | that doesnt' make sense |
| 16:28.18 | funky | that was my inital question from a different point of view |
| 16:28.21 | funky | ? |
| 16:28.26 | funky | what doesn't make sense? |
| 16:28.42 | funky | listen |
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| 16:29.00 | abrotman | funky: install the .deb with dpkg .. then aptitude -f install .. it will mark them auto |
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| 16:30.07 | funky | package A (downloaded from siteA.com) this package depends on B and C (both in debian repositories) |
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| 16:30.23 | funky | first I need to install B and C in order to install A properly |
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| 16:30.35 | abrotman | how many different ways do you want me to explain the same answer ? |
| 16:31.08 | funky | lol |
| 16:31.13 | funky | I didn't get an answer afaik |
| 16:31.23 | lvh | funky: sure you did |
| 16:31.36 | valdyn | funky: they dont depend on A, you just said that, but you also claimed they depended on A |
| 16:31.37 | funky | install the .deb and then aptitude -f install |
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| 16:31.51 | funky | valdyn: that's what aptitude say |
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| 16:32.12 | cusco | --fix-missing I guess |
| 16:32.24 | abrotman | funky: then do it .. what's so hard? |
| 16:32.33 | funky | abrotman: I think it won't work |
| 16:32.35 | funky | ok, lets try |
| 16:32.38 | funky | cusco: that sounds fine |
| 16:32.42 | themill | or aptitude install B+M C+M; dpkg -i A.deb |
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| 16:32.56 | abrotman | i said that too! |
| 16:32.59 | funky | themill: that's my initial approximation |
| 16:33.15 | orudie | hi! i need help but i am new to linux. I need to make sure that i have this: lenny version of libc6 (2.7.18) |
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| 16:33.23 | abrotman | orudie: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 16:33.28 | noob | Hi |
| 16:33.28 | funky | abrotman: that doesn't mark B and C as dependency of A |
| 16:33.39 | funky | ok, let me do some tests |
| 16:33.47 | abrotman | funky: i told you 10 minutes ago to mark them auto .. |
| 16:33.57 | noob | I removed kde using apt-get remove kde. |
| 16:34.04 | funky | abrotman: I told you the first time I asked the question |
| 16:34.07 | valdyn | !remove kde |
| 16:34.07 | dpkg | remove kde is probably aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data |
| 16:34.12 | funky | [17:22] < funky> I'm going to mark all those as automatically installed |
| 16:34.15 | themill | funky: it marks them as being automatically installed. A.deb is what claims them as being needed vs unneeded packages. |
| 16:34.24 | funky | themill: ahhh ok |
| 16:34.30 | noob | now i am running the apt-get autoremove |
| 16:34.35 | orudie | abrotman it shows i have version 2.8~ |
| 16:34.49 | abrotman | funky: i told you that it doesn't know what depends on what .. just that it was auto installed |
| 16:34.49 | noob | will it remove any systen files? |
| 16:35.06 | funky | abrotman: yes, I already knew that |
| 16:35.11 | orudie | abrotman do you think i can uninstall this and get the older version ? |
| 16:35.11 | noob | will it remove any system files? |
| 16:35.15 | abrotman | sees this going nowhere |
| 16:35.24 | noob | i mean will it affect the system? |
| 16:35.29 | valdyn | noob: no |
| 16:35.33 | noob | ok |
| 16:35.38 | noob | thanks |
| 16:35.43 | abrotman | orudie: which version of debian do you have? |
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| 16:35.50 | themill | fsvo of "affect" and "system file" |
| 16:35.56 | noob | how to remove the .deb files downloaded |
| 16:36.02 | orudie | abrotman i have ubuntu server 8.10 32 bit |
| 16:36.09 | abrotman | orudie: then ask #ubuntu |
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| 16:37.10 | noob | How to remove the .deb files downloaded by apt? |
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| 16:37.21 | abrotman | and this is why you shouldn't be using sid |
| 16:37.27 | noob | only specific files |
| 16:37.42 | noob | abrotman:OK how many times will u tell me? |
| 16:38.11 | lvh | noob: man apt-get |
| 16:38.15 | mahesh1 | hi.. can anyone help me with bcm 4312. I need to set up an access point |
| 16:38.18 | noob | abrotman:do you know how to? |
| 16:38.25 | noob | lvh:i already saw that |
| 16:38.26 | abrotman | yes, i do |
| 16:38.39 | lvh | noob: autoremove does not remove those debs, (auto)clean does |
| 16:38.40 | abrotman | mahesh1: did you install the firmware with the fwcutter ? |
| 16:38.44 | noob | lvh:but that removes all .deb files |
| 16:38.50 | noob | lvh:ok ill try |
| 16:38.55 | themill | !fish |
| 16:38.55 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell", a non-POSIX compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org |
| 16:39.14 | abrotman | !tell noob about grounding |
| 16:39.22 | noob | lvh:apt-get autoclean kde? |
| 16:39.22 | lvh | !tell me about grounding |
| 16:39.23 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 16:39.23 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 16:39.28 | mahesh1 | abortman: i have installed it using the code from broadcom |
| 16:39.36 | abrotman | !tell lvh about selftell |
| 16:39.52 | abrotman | mahesh1: i've never used that method, i'm sure there are installation instructions |
| 16:39.53 | mahesh1 | they provide semi-open stuff |
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| 16:40.02 | abrotman | it's not semi-open |
| 16:40.09 | lvh | noob: Read the manpage so you see what that command *does* |
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| 16:40.37 | mahesh1 | i cant change the mode to master. That is the issue |
| 16:41.11 | valdyn | mahesh1: thats not uncommon, you would need a nic that supports master mode |
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| 16:41.55 | mahesh1 | not all nic would support that? |
| 16:42.07 | mahesh1 | or is it the problem with driver? |
| 16:42.16 | valdyn | mahesh1: whats the difference? |
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| 16:42.31 | abrotman | there's only one driver for those cards AFAIK |
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| 16:42.36 | valdyn | mahesh1: unless you plan on working on the driver |
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| 16:43.39 | mahesh1 | so if device supports but the driver for it in GNU doesnt support then that wil make some difference rt |
| 16:44.10 | mahesh1 | valdyn: u mean no work as of now for bcm 4312 or in general? |
| 16:44.48 | abrotman | mahesh1: not even all devices do |
| 16:44.49 | valdyn | mahesh1: you cant set some nics into master mode in linux, i have no idea if thats a driver or hardware or firmware issue |
| 16:46.00 | valdyn | mahesh1: but maybe you are also confused, because iirc you need a new virtual interface for master mode in the latest wifi stack anyway |
| 16:46.39 | valdyn | mahesh1: youre using that stack if you have something like wmaster0 additionally to wlan0 |
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| 16:48.38 | mahesh1 | where can i get more info for this particular device? its not in their web page. |
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| 16:49.10 | rizzo0917 | hey - just installed a base system of debian on my laptop (eee pc), very limited amount of hd space, so i installed base system + fluxbox,, all is well, except the /dev/ dir is empty, i pluged in a usb device and all seems ok, it finds it and assigns it to sdc, but /dev/sdc doesn't exist?, i'm clueless, what am i missing |
| 16:50.03 | abrotman | is udev installed? |
| 16:50.11 | lvh | rizzo0917: mount | grep udev |
| 16:50.13 | rizzo0917 | maybe not |
| 16:50.20 | abrotman | !tell rizzo0917 about eeepc |
| 16:50.32 | pngwn | rizzo0917, you might try #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:50.50 | rizzo0917 | pngwn: thanks,, however this isn't a eee pc specific question |
| 16:51.04 | rizzo0917 | udev on /dev type tmfs |
| 16:51.23 | rizzo0917 | udev on /dev type tmpfs * |
| 16:51.28 | abrotman | is udev running ? |
| 16:51.41 | lvh | rizzo0917: good, now answer abrotmans question |
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| 16:52.09 | rizzo0917 | not sure, |
| 16:52.21 | lvh | rizzo0917: ps ax | grep udevd |
| 16:52.21 | rizzo0917 | top doesn't show it,, so possibly not |
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| 16:52.49 | sepult_ | is there a kerneltop or ktop package for the newer kernels ? |
| 16:53.00 | rizzo0917 | lvh: yes,, it is |
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| 16:53.16 | abrotman | rizzo0917: ps aux | grep udev |
| 16:53.42 | rizzo0917 | udevd --daemon |
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| 16:56.46 | thasp | I'm using the exact same madwifi driver I was using when I had a P3 system, on my amd64 system, and that same wifi card now no longer works |
| 16:56.56 | thasp | it shows up, but I get this, Link Quality=0/94 Signal level=-91 dBm Noise level=-91 dBm |
| 16:57.37 | thasp | There is always 0 SNR, whereas before there was always 35-40. I have wired NICs that work great on this motherboard, I am confused why this wireless one that worked on a P3 450 system refuses to work here :( |
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| 16:58.31 | kantor | when the hell gonna be lenny released ? when would be "ready" ? |
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| 16:59.37 | abrotman | kantor: /topic |
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| 17:02.25 | kantor | wow there are still a lit release critical bugs |
| 17:03.08 | kantor | *lot |
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| 17:03.36 | stoned | gooooood morning |
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| 17:05.13 | kantor | maybe it gonna be released in 2010 . . . |
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| 17:05.29 | abrotman | you could help |
| 17:05.29 | stoned | its pretty usable right now |
| 17:06.04 | stoned | !rc bugs |
| 17:06.04 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
| 17:06.38 | stoned | pick something and help with it |
| 17:06.40 | stoned | :) |
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| 17:07.53 | kantor | ok |
| 17:07.59 | kantor | I will try |
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| 17:28.55 | Kevin`_ | is there a debian-installer for amd64 xen guest? |
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| 17:36.55 | valdyn | Kevin`_: thats the regular installer |
| 17:37.26 | Kevin`_ | oh? *tries* |
| 17:37.39 | valdyn | Kevin`_: i believe anyway |
| 17:38.35 | Kevin`_ | # xm create name=test kernel=linux ramdisk=initrd.gz.1 -c |
| 17:38.35 | Kevin`_ | Using config file "/etc/xen/xmdefconfig". |
| 17:38.35 | Kevin`_ | Error: (2, 'Invalid kernel', 'elf_xen_note_check: ERROR: Will only load images built for the generic loader or Linux images') |
| 17:39.44 | valdyn | Kevin`_: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
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| 17:43.29 | Kevin`_ | Since Lenny only includes 32 bit (PAE) kernel support which means there is no installer support for 64 bit guests. You can continue to use the Etch kernels or obtain a newer upstream kernel which supports 64 bit operation (2.6.27+). |
| 17:43.33 | Kevin`_ | :( |
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| 17:43.45 | Farhadix | i wanna xen 3.3 on debian sarge (kernel 2.4.26) when type ./install.sh it returns run "make dist" in during "make dist" returns some errors. here : http://i41.tinypic.com/2d2chg1.jpg my kernel is 2.4.26 but in this picture wrote 2.6.18! how solve this |
| 17:43.49 | Farhadix | ? |
| 17:45.35 | Kevin`_ | Farhadix: I recommend you build the components individually for xen, rather then running make dist/world/whatever, and provide the kernel seperately. also, why sarge, isn't that out of support? (someone else will correct me) |
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| 17:46.41 | Kevin`_ | if you really want to build the kernel using that method, use hg clone to fetch it |
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| 17:48.28 | n-iCe | apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri same with libgl1-mesa-dev and libgl1-mesa-glx, used to do the trick, but when I use glxinfo | grep direct says command not found, any suggestion? |
| 17:48.42 | valdyn | n-iCe: you are missing mesa-utils |
| 17:48.57 | n-iCe | aight |
| 17:49.06 | n-iCe | glxinfo | grep direct |
| 17:49.07 | n-iCe | direct rendering: Yes |
| 17:49.07 | n-iCe | thanks |
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| 17:58.33 | MarkJones | Does anyone know if Lenny is suppoed to install with Synaptic installed? I dont see it. |
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| 17:58.46 | beardy | Of course not. |
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| 17:59.13 | beardy | MarkJones: But I'm sure it's in the Desktop task, if you like such things. |
| 17:59.19 | abrotman | MarkJones: you install it after the system is installed .. aptitude install syntapic |
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| 17:59.26 | MarkJones | ok |
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| 18:02.26 | MarkJones | ok im running lenny in a virtualbox I started aptitude refreshed package list, searched and cant find synaptic. |
| 18:02.31 | MarkJones | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:03.01 | abrotman | judd: versions synaptic |
| 18:03.02 | judd | abrotman: synaptic -- etch: 0.57.11.1+b1 lenny: 0.62.1 sid: 0.62.5 |
| 18:03.11 | abrotman | MarkJones: do you have http sources ? |
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| 18:04.14 | MarkJones | oh good point.Ill double check it.I should know better. |
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| 18:05.31 | MarkJones | Ive not used aptitiude much before.Where do I check the http sources? Do I have to manually edit the sources list? |
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| 18:06.17 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:06.45 | MarkJones | k |
| 18:06.55 | MarkJones | Wonder why they ditched Synaptic. |
| 18:07.07 | abrotman | they didn't, you just didn't install it yet |
| 18:07.08 | beardy | "They" didn't. |
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| 18:07.16 | dmoerner | they did not "ditch" anything. you can use it if you want. |
| 18:07.21 | MarkJones | ok |
| 18:07.52 | themill | oooh... the big bag "they"! |
| 18:07.54 | themill | dpkg, hand out the tinfoil hats |
| 18:07.54 | dpkg | passes around the tinfoil hats to everyone on #debian and hope the black helicopters won't notice the shiny reflections from the tin foil... |
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| 18:09.18 | beardy | pulls his one over his ears |
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| 18:10.05 | beardy | I' |
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| 18:10.17 | Farhadix | Kevin`_, what is hg clone? |
| 18:10.22 | MarkJones | Ok all thats listed are the lenny updates |
| 18:10.34 | MarkJones | What is the main lenny source? |
| 18:10.45 | beardy | m electric , electric spy! |
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| 18:11.20 | beardy | MarkJones: No, you have most certainly one mirror, and the security updates mirror. |
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| 18:12.01 | abrotman | MarkJones: where are you located ? |
| 18:12.11 | MarkJones | security.debian.org/ lenny/updates is all i have. |
| 18:12.29 | MarkJones | us.debian.org/ lenny main contrib |
| 18:12.33 | MarkJones | is that what I need? |
| 18:12.46 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 18:14.13 | acidfreeze | i get keeping missing files and other errors when i apt-get |
| 18:14.20 | acidfreeze | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/main/non-free/binary-sparc/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.238.52 80] |
| 18:14.42 | MarkJones | I didnt get the formatting right I think |
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| 18:15.10 | abrotman | MarkJones: where are you located ? |
| 18:15.49 | beardy | The question is how you ended up with a sources list without a mirror. |
| 18:16.36 | acidfreeze | me? |
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| 18:16.36 | beardy | No, MarkJones. |
| 18:16.36 | abrotman | beardy: no network at install time |
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| 18:17.01 | beardy | abrotman: Ah. But he should have the netinstaller.. if her used that.. commented out. Oh well. |
| 18:17.07 | abrotman | acidfreeze: can you get it manually ? |
| 18:17.08 | beardy | he* |
| 18:17.23 | acidfreeze | nope |
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| 18:17.46 | acidfreeze | i have ran apt-get install |
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| 18:18.04 | acidfreeze | opps |
| 18:18.06 | acidfreeze | i mean |
| 18:18.13 | acidfreeze | apt-get update |
| 18:18.19 | zzattack | hi, connections to my debian box don't go as fast as they could (or should), for example downloading a file through http or ftp goes only 600kB/s, however if I download 4 pieces at the same time I do get 4x600kB/s |
| 18:19.02 | MarkJones | Ok I have deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main |
| 18:19.11 | MarkJones | does that mean updates and main? |
| 18:19.17 | abrotman | no |
| 18:19.23 | abrotman | MarkJones: where are you located ? |
| 18:19.26 | MarkJones | US |
| 18:19.33 | abrotman | no kidding .. where? |
| 18:19.38 | MarkJones | Ohio |
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| 18:20.05 | abrotman | sure .. the only state without a mirror! :) |
| 18:20.13 | MarkJones | hehe |
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| 18:20.43 | abrotman | MarkJones: "deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main" |
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| 18:20.56 | MarkJones | I usually just grab the DVD images and use them on etch.So if Lenny is stable enough Ill just download them too. |
| 18:21.11 | MarkJones | k Ill try that now. |
| 18:21.25 | abrotman | MarkJones: then aptitude update && aptitude install synaptic |
| 18:21.39 | MarkJones | k |
| 18:22.01 | acidfreeze | so what does that mean? |
| 18:22.05 | acidfreeze | they removed the file? |
| 18:22.07 | drs- | i am using gnome desktop environment and sometimes while watching a video on youtube or listening to steaming music my desktop will reboot itself without warning. has anyone here experienced this same symptom and or maybe have a suggestion? |
| 18:22.15 | dudeee | hi, if i get "OpenSSL/0.9.8c" as http header does it include the later updates (eg 0.9.8c-4etch4) or does it mean it is from stone age? |
| 18:22.18 | abrotman | acidfreeze: can you get it manually ? |
| 18:22.21 | acidfreeze | no |
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| 18:22.29 | abrotman | dudeee: it has fixes backported |
| 18:22.36 | abrotman | acidfreeze: which mirror ? |
| 18:22.39 | dudeee | drs-: try dmesg |
| 18:22.41 | acidfreeze | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/main/non-free/binary-sparc/Packages |
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| 18:23.10 | dudeee | abrotman: and those give the same http header "id"? i am also getting "mod_ssl/2.2.3" and that just cannot be right :) |
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| 18:23.28 | narhen | do anyone know how to make a script start when I turn on my debian server? |
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| 18:23.40 | eptalon | heyas |
| 18:23.41 | dudeee | narhen: look into init scripts |
| 18:23.43 | abrotman | acidfreeze: oh, your line is broken |
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| 18:23.57 | abrotman | acidfreeze: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 18:24.08 | acidfreeze | ok |
| 18:24.08 | abrotman | dudeee: it could be |
| 18:24.09 | MarkJones | yep that worked like a charm just needed a correct apt source.Thank you! |
| 18:24.14 | eptalon | On rebooting my system I get an error 17 form grub, how can i fix this most easilyß |
| 18:24.20 | acidfreeze | i see now |
| 18:24.26 | abrotman | !tell narhen about run at startup |
| 18:24.32 | drs- | dudeee: dmesg does not have output on this situation |
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| 18:25.11 | dudeee | drs-: you could try looking through the logs in /var/log/ |
| 18:25.18 | narhen | da all the scripts in init.d startup? |
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| 18:25.27 | narhen | do* |
| 18:25.31 | dudeee | drs-: i think i had such problems months ago (with NVIDIA 6600GT) |
| 18:25.51 | dudeee | narhen: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 18:26.03 | abrotman | drs-: i'd start checking hardware |
| 18:26.22 | drs- | dudeee: i do have a nvidia card but is 5600FX |
| 18:26.28 | drs- | ok |
| 18:26.45 | MarkJones | So whats the verdict on teh current state of Lenny? Pretty darn stable? |
| 18:26.52 | abrotman | MarkJones: mostly, yes |
| 18:26.57 | drs- | ya i have checked x.session errors aswell and nothing there either |
| 18:27.02 | drs- | .xsession* |
| 18:27.04 | MarkJones | ok |
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| 18:28.20 | acidfreeze | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/MM9XOh75.html |
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| 18:29.18 | frankS2 | for i in * do cd $i; grep imdb *.nfo; whats wrong with this line? |
| 18:29.19 | frankS2 | anyone? |
| 18:29.29 | abrotman | acidfreeze: i don't know what you're trying to do, but that's going to break your system |
| 18:30.00 | dudeee | frankS2: no done at the end at least |
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| 18:30.21 | dudeee | frankS2: and no ; before do |
| 18:30.22 | abrotman | acidfreeze: you cannot mix sarge, etch, and sid |
| 18:30.38 | eptalon | What do you suggest I do against an error 17 form grub (at boot)? |
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| 18:31.52 | dudeee | eptalon: google says your filesystem might be corrupted |
| 18:31.59 | acidfreeze | whaaa |
| 18:32.11 | dudeee | eptalon: try the bottom post of http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5134.html (can't hurt) |
| 18:32.20 | acidfreeze | i was going to install xorg by a howto i was reading |
| 18:32.24 | abrotman | acidfreeze: you cannot mix sarge, etch, and sid |
| 18:32.42 | acidfreeze | aahhh ok. i wil take that crap out |
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| 18:33.24 | acidfreeze | it might be to late |
| 18:34.33 | eptalon | dudeee: my fs is clean. |
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| 18:34.54 | drs- | i do have a backtrace log and have pasted them in google and do not see anything that refers to my problem all i see is topics of people not being able to start X.. is there something i can do with this? |
| 18:35.48 | dudeee | eptalon: then it might be the mbr. but i have no idea and you can google it yourself (that's all i can do :P ). sorry |
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| 18:38.08 | Kalleos | Hi. Just an easy question: How do I get my debian version? |
| 18:38.09 | enouf | eptalon: did you switch/alter your disks, either physically, or in the BIOS setup? |
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| 18:38.14 | Kalleos | where is this little information stored |
| 18:38.14 | abrotman | !tell Kalleos about version |
| 18:38.25 | Kalleos | wow, that was a quick reaction |
| 18:38.38 | eptalon | enouf: nope. |
| 18:38.40 | enouf | eptalon: or, edited menu.lst? |
| 18:38.45 | eptalon | enouf: nope |
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| 18:39.15 | enouf | eptalon: update/upgrade? new kernel? |
| 18:39.50 | eptalon | enouf: dist-upgrade, new kernel form buildserver this afternoon. |
| 18:40.15 | eptalon | currently running of an ubuntu live cd. |
| 18:41.41 | enouf | well .. 17 : Cannot mount selected partition This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB. <--which FStype is the partition, and support in your kernel for it? any LVM involved? |
| 18:41.56 | eptalon | enouf: can I ask grub to rewrite the boot-sector somehow, from a chroot? |
| 18:42.18 | enouf | yep |
| 18:42.32 | eptalon | enouf: /dev/md0 ext3 (/boot) /dev/md1 (xfs) /, |
| 18:42.32 | upIRC | eptalon: try the super grub disk, http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/ for a quick fix, |
| 18:44.13 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 18:44.13 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
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| 18:44.17 | eptalon | Ok, will try to reboot now. |
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| 18:50.28 | JordiGH | When opening a new tab in gnome-terminal, it opens it in the same directory as the shell from which I opened it, which is nice. But sometimes this directory seems to get "frozen", and for a while *all* new gnome-terminals I open will open in this directory. Anyone else experienced this? |
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| 18:52.12 | JordiGH | Wow, lots of bugs for gnome-terminal |
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| 18:52.49 | muhoo | how can i obtain a disk's (i.e. the DVD/CDROM) "drive label" using the command line? |
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| 18:55.06 | \amethyst | muhoo: maybe something like blkid -s LABEL /dev/hdc |
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| 18:55.20 | \amethyst | muhoo: it's in /sbin so you'll have to write /sbin/blkid unless you're root |
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| 18:56.26 | muhoo | \amethyst: that's it, thanks!! |
| 18:56.53 | muhoo | one more question: would fdisk be the best/only way to determine if a cd/dvd is multisession? |
| 18:57.11 | JordiGH | muhoo: Uhm, no. Use cdrkit tools for that. |
| 18:57.31 | muhoo | meaning, wodim? |
| 18:57.58 | muhoo | apt-cache show cdrkit |
| 18:58.04 | muhoo | W: Unable to locate package cdrkit |
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| 18:58.14 | JordiGH | Yeah, I probably meant wodim. |
| 18:58.16 | muhoo | thanks |
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| 19:06.56 | rajeshsr | hi |
| 19:07.09 | JordiGH | !greet rajeshsr |
| 19:07.10 | dpkg | Wassup, rajeshsr |
| 19:07.10 | cusco | hi |
| 19:07.31 | rajeshsr | am not able to play any sound on Debian. Sound runs on Open Solaris well. |
| 19:07.56 | rajeshsr | how am i to diagnose what problem it could be? |
| 19:08.09 | cusco | using gnome? |
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| 19:08.23 | rajeshsr | cusco, yep |
| 19:08.30 | cusco | is it muted? |
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| 19:08.40 | cusco | on the upper right corner you see a sound icon |
| 19:08.47 | rajeshsr | nope |
| 19:09.05 | rajeshsr | i killed it some day, for some reason! |
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| 19:09.15 | rajeshsr | but that can't affect it after i reboot! |
| 19:09.16 | JordiGH | !tell rajeshsr about alsa checklist |
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| 19:12.11 | cr3rzemjest | can u make linux fonts look exactly like in Windows? specifically in Firefox(Iceweasel) |
| 19:12.38 | cr3rzemjest | i've installed many suggested packages and still there's a difference |
| 19:12.49 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: No, the Windows fonts are non-free. |
| 19:13.25 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: There might be a way to make them look the same, but you'll have to ask MSFT for help. |
| 19:14.27 | cr3rzemjest | i've installed mstcorefonts package, i thought it contains non-free fonts |
| 19:15.13 | JordiGH | ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 19:15.16 | JordiGH | ? |
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| 19:15.18 | cr3rzemjest | yes |
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| 19:19.59 | JordiGH | discovers fonts:// in Nautilus |
| 19:22.31 | cr3rzemjest | another issue that bothers me, this window that u use to save,open or select a file (how's this called) is very plain and simple, there's no type filtering or anything, in most cases i can onny filter out hidden files, is it possible to change that? |
| 19:22.48 | cr3rzemjest | *only |
| 19:22.55 | JordiGH | !u |
| 19:22.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 19:23.54 | cr3rzemjest | *you use |
| 19:24.22 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: Can you show me a screenshot of the window you are talking about? It looks different if you're using Gnome or KDE. |
| 19:24.57 | cr3rzemjest | JordiGH, 1 sec |
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| 19:30.17 | cr3rzemjest | http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot6bd8.png |
| 19:30.28 | cr3rzemjest | http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot7pj8.png |
| 19:30.33 | cr3rzemjest | JordiGH, kde, fluxbox |
| 19:31.30 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: Both of those dialogue boxes have a "filter" option... |
| 19:31.49 | frankS2 | gtk222 |
| 19:31.53 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: It is up to applications to choose what the filters should be. |
| 19:32.00 | cr3rzemjest | ok, actually it is possible to filter sometimes certain types of files but still i've noticed some programs dont have that |
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| 19:32.54 | shams | Hi, when i try to see one of my cms pages, i get '500 internal server error' with this error in apache log: |
| 19:32.54 | shams | [Sat Jan 31 14:30:06 2009] [error] [client -.-.-.-] ModSecurity: Access denied with code 500 (phase 2). Pattern match "\\.php\\?.*=(https?|ftp)\\:/.*(cmd|command)=" at REQUEST_URI. [file "/usr/local/apache/conf/modsec2.user.conf"] [line "400"] [hostname "www.test.ir"] [uri "/html/index.php"] [unique_id "SYSmvkPhhmgAABQDeVwAAAAL"] |
| 19:32.54 | shams | can you help me how can i solve it? |
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| 19:33.22 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: It's up to the program to set up a filter. If you think a program should have a filter but doesn't, file a wishlist bug for each program. |
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| 19:34.52 | blade | hi all |
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| 19:36.07 | cr3rzemjest | filepicker is the name |
| 19:36.30 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: Also, just out of curiousity, would you show me also a screenshot to see how bad the Mozilla Stormopossum fonts are? |
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| 19:37.27 | JordiGH | Is filepicker the name of the GTK+ or Qt widget for choosing files? |
| 19:37.48 | blade | hi all someone can help me ? i get KDE using apt-get install kde but i got version 3.5 how i can upgrade to kde 4 ? |
| 19:38.22 | JordiGH | blade: kde 4 is in experimental, and at least for me, looks like a challenge to upgrade to it right now. |
| 19:39.15 | blade | ah ok 4 is not stable ? |
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| 19:40.16 | JordiGH | Well... 4.2 seems to have gotten fairly stable... it's just the Debian packaging which seems to not be stable yet (i.e. figuring out what packages to install, how the dependencies should go, etc) |
| 19:41.12 | redrain | Hi, I'm trying to install lenny on a USB disk. But installer sees internal HDD's swap and doesn't create new swap (or no swap). Is it possible to disable internall HDD during installation? (This is a laptop and I can't disable it from bios) |
| 19:41.31 | JordiGH | #512739 right now is preventing me from completing my KDE 4 install. :-/ |
| 19:41.36 | cusco | why don't you chose manual partitioning |
| 19:41.43 | cusco | and set a new partition |
| 19:41.44 | cusco | or |
| 19:41.58 | cusco | you can create a swapfile (no need for partition) |
| 19:42.25 | redrain | cusco, It still sees the internal swap as swap point |
| 19:42.46 | cusco | don't set it as a mount |
| 19:42.49 | redrain | cusco, I want to use LVM and encryption for usb disk |
| 19:42.57 | cusco | you can later edit /etc/fstab and take it out |
| 19:43.35 | blade | JordiGH i found this on internet (deb http://kde4.debian.net/ lenny main) its better i remain with 3,5 whats you recommend me ? |
| 19:44.10 | cr3rzemjest | JordiGH, i would have to reboot to Windows to make screenshot for reference.... but there's a page with lines cut in half which are shown OK in windows, i've set 'allow pages to choose their own fonts' in preferences ->http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot8th3.png |
| 19:44.33 | JordiGH | blade: I say you wait a month or so for the dust to settle... unless you're feeling adventurous. |
| 19:44.41 | cr3rzemjest | JordiGH, is "Stormopossum" version of FF? i have 3.03 |
| 19:44.51 | cr3rzemjest | 3.0.3 |
| 19:45.04 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: Firesomthing. It's the best resolution to the trademark problem. :-) |
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| 19:45.42 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: Is the issue just a font size one? Have you tried changing your DPI? |
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| 19:45.54 | JordiGH | thinks those fonts look fine, just the wrong size. |
| 19:46.05 | blade | ok i whait is better im newbie on debian, thank you for advice |
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| 19:46.34 | cusco | blade: you can use gnome |
| 19:46.34 | cusco | ! |
| 19:46.43 | cr3rzemjest | JordiGH, well, the fonts used to very ugly and pixelised, i've changed both fonts and DPI in IW |
| 19:46.51 | cr3rzemjest | *to BE |
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| 19:47.01 | blade | i hafe both installed gnome & kde3.5 cusco |
| 19:47.28 | JordiGH | blade: You linked to a backport of KDE 4.1, btw, which still isn't reported to be very useful for work. 4.2 is the first version of KDE 4 which seems usable, and it got packaged just five days ago for Debian's experimental branch. |
| 19:47.30 | cr3rzemjest | but let's see wat happen |
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| 19:47.31 | cr3rzemjest | s |
| 19:47.43 | Rawplayer | hi, is it possible when a debian install to use wireless? |
| 19:47.53 | Rawplayer | s/when/with/ |
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| 19:48.12 | blade | ok thanks JordiGH |
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| 19:48.29 | blade | i whait is better |
| 19:48.52 | blade | how many months you think remains for official kde4 for debian ? |
| 19:48.52 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: I use the liberation fonts, which seem fine to me. I've heard the font complaint a lot with Firefox under GNU/Linux, but I've never experienced it. |
| 19:49.09 | cusco | blade: like JordiGH if you feel adventurous go for it.. if you are a newbie, chances are you feel adventurous |
| 19:49.12 | cusco | :p |
| 19:49.12 | JordiGH | blade: WIR, SIYH |
| 19:49.46 | blade | what means WIR, SIYH ? |
| 19:49.55 | JordiGH | Rawplayer: Yeah, if your wireless has free drivers, I've seen the lenny debian-installer being able to use wireless. |
| 19:49.56 | JordiGH | !wir |
| 19:49.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 19:49.59 | JordiGH | !siyh |
| 19:49.59 | dpkg | from memory, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html for ideas to help lenny release soon |
| 19:50.03 | cr3rzemjest | JordiGH, i've also had problem with fonts on Fedora(they were too small), i don't know if they make this thing on purpose? |
| 19:50.23 | Rawplayer | JordiGH: atheros? |
| 19:50.38 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: *shrug* I guess choosing the right DPI automatically isn't easy. |
| 19:50.53 | JordiGH | Rawplayer: Yeah, that has the free ath5k driver. Is it not working? |
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| 19:51.15 | Rawplayer | JordiGH: i'm just asking :) |
| 19:51.19 | Rawplayer | didnt try it |
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| 19:51.31 | Rawplayer | JordiGH: so i can configure wpa2? |
| 19:51.35 | Rawplayer | during installation |
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| 19:51.59 | JordiGH | Rawplayer: Try it... I'm not sure if it'll work, and you might have to go to expert mode to tell it to load the wireless things during installation. It was configured to work like this for the custom EeePC installation that I've done, so... |
| 19:52.04 | FriarLaurence | moin |
| 19:52.26 | blade | JordiGh can i ask you another question ? i hafe a problem with iceweasel i installed flash but flash sites do not woek yet |
| 19:53.10 | JordiGH | There must be a factoid for this... |
| 19:53.11 | JordiGH | !flash |
| 19:53.11 | dpkg | it has been said that flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 19:53.20 | JordiGH | !adobe flash |
| 19:53.21 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 19:58.35 | cr3rzemjest | JordiGH, but if my system DPI is ok, how do i change IW dpi? there's no such option, layout.css.dpi reacts only to -1, 0 |
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| 19:59.50 | JordiGH | cr3rzemjest: My Mozilla Spaceclam seems to inherit the DPI from Gnome, which I think sets it directly via X. |
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| 20:01.52 | Guerin | yeah, one used to be able to set iceweasel resolution in preferences, now it Just Knows |
| 20:02.02 | Guerin | however you can still set it in about:config |
| 20:02.18 | FriarLaurence | is it possible that apt downloads packages of the same versions from sid although testing has got a higher pinning? |
| 20:02.33 | Guerin | FriarLaurence: yes. |
| 20:02.44 | FriarLaurence | really? |
| 20:02.47 | FriarLaurence | why is that? |
| 20:03.00 | Guerin | FriarLaurence: where two equal versions are available, apt will prefer the one highest up in the sources.list (assuming all else is equal) |
| 20:03.11 | FriarLaurence | ah |
| 20:03.35 | FriarLaurence | ok thanks |
| 20:03.44 | cr3rzemjest | Guerin, css.layout.dpi doesn't change dpi |
| 20:04.53 | Guerin | cr3rzemjest: you want browser.display.screen_resolution |
| 20:05.32 | blade | JordiGh i must restart browser after install flash player ? fallow the guide (http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer) Etch FlashPlayer 9 but not work |
| 20:06.01 | cr3rzemjest | Guerin, there's no such thing in my Iceweasel ersion 3.0.3 ;( |
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| 20:06.05 | Knorrie | ? |
| 20:06.10 | Guerin | funky |
| 20:06.27 | Guerin | it is on mine, same version |
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| 20:06.49 | Guerin | enter `resolution' as your keyword string |
| 20:06.53 | Guerin | see what gives |
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| 20:07.25 | cr3rzemjest | Guerin, ~10 entries starting with 'print' |
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| 20:08.14 | JordiGH | blade: Yes. |
| 20:08.57 | blade | jeah now works :) |
| 20:09.00 | blade | thanks |
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| 20:09.07 | JordiGH | np |
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| 20:09.25 | josinalvo | Hi there ! I am thinking about a script that kills a certain process after it ran for a while. But I fear that PID reuse might get to me. How does debian resuse PIDs ? |
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| 20:10.13 | JordiGH | Linux just seems to forever assign higher PIDs here as far as I can tell... presumably when it runs out, it loops back to the beginning. |
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| 20:11.56 | blade | last question its normal that i can hear only 1 audio font ? i hear music with xmms but i can't hear youtube video on iceweasel |
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| 20:15.25 | JordiGH | No, it's not... |
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| 20:17.11 | Eulex | blade, is xmms set to output audio through oss, alsa, or in some other way? |
| 20:17.39 | Eulex | blade, if xmms is set to use oss, no other application will be able to play anything |
| 20:17.48 | josinalvo | JordiGH thanks |
| 20:17.49 | blade | ah ok |
| 20:17.53 | blade | thanks Eulex |
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| 20:18.13 | Eulex | blade, check its options |
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| 20:20.04 | enouf | josinalvo: IINM, 32768 is the highest before recycling PIDs |
| 20:22.07 | blade | ok Eulex |
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| 20:23.16 | blade | Eulex xmms settings are OSS-Driver 1.2.10 [libOSS.so] |
| 20:23.25 | Eulex | blade, change to alsa |
| 20:23.26 | cusco | hi |
| 20:23.33 | cusco | can I dcc chat someone |
| 20:23.40 | cusco | to confirm that my portforward is set? |
| 20:23.54 | Eulex | you can dcc chat me |
| 20:24.30 | Eulex | connection refused |
| 20:24.30 | blade | Eulex i change to alsa but now i get error message |
| 20:24.33 | cusco | damn |
| 20:24.34 | cusco | why? |
| 20:24.35 | Eulex | blade, what error? |
| 20:24.36 | blade | cannot play mp3 now |
| 20:24.37 | cusco | 7set dcc |
| 20:24.39 | blade | says |
| 20:24.47 | blade | check soundcard |
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| 20:25.54 | blade | i hafe teamspeak running thats use oss its that the cause ? |
| 20:26.10 | Eulex | blade, yes |
| 20:26.26 | cusco | make all your apps use alsa |
| 20:26.30 | cusco | and set up dmix if needed |
| 20:26.53 | Eulex | blade, hmm, interesting, oss can do mixing, but it requires hardware support and only some drivers do that, have you got an emu10k1 or something? |
| 20:27.03 | Eulex | cusco, dmix is set up by default nowadays |
| 20:27.09 | blade | so i cannot use ts + other programms ? |
| 20:27.16 | cusco | oh.. there then |
| 20:27.31 | blade | Eulex i use onboard audio |
| 20:27.43 | blade | i hafe a soundcard too but this not work |
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| 20:27.49 | blade | creative audigy2 |
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| 20:27.56 | Eulex | ok |
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| 20:28.26 | Eulex | blade, I don't know about teamspeak, but try to find a way to make it use alsa instead of oss |
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| 20:31.46 | cr3rzemjest | omg i'm going crazy, or this machine is going crazy - i swear that the following event happened: i set font sizes, different fonts, etc. in IW preferences, clicked 'OK', they changed, they switched back to old fonts - page layout messed as usual, and then i 've changed to "Fonts for:' to Western and that solved my problem! but then again i switched to my old setting and it was still OK LOL... i don't know how that happened.. |
| 20:31.50 | blade | Eulex in teamspeak settings i can set manually the settings what i must type in to use Alsa ? default setting is /dev/dsp |
| 20:32.12 | blade | oss /dev/dsp |
| 20:32.21 | Eulex | blade, uh, changing between oss and alsa is not only about setting it to use another device... |
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| 20:47.03 | danic | Hello! Is there a way to convert the string "test" into a md5-hash in the bash-shell? |
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| 20:48.25 | asg | danic: echo -n test | md5sum |
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| 20:49.34 | danic | asg: :) |
| 20:50.01 | cr3rzemjest | at last |
| 20:50.19 | cr3rzemjest | thing to remember; dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 20:51.09 | cr3rzemjest | by the way, how can people know things without using the internet? like, is there a manual in debian that say how to deal with certain problems? |
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| 20:52.01 | danic | cr3rzemjest: Sometimes I am wondering myself about the same thing ^^ |
| 20:52.22 | dutchfish | hi, i am setting up a software raid 5 over 3 disks debian lenny 32bit latest installer, how can i install grub? i made 2 raid partitions dm0 & dm1 the last one is swap the first one is ext3, when i try to install grub it aborts, with cant install grub... |
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| 20:52.31 | cr3rzemjest | :d |
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| 20:54.40 | dutchfish | cr3rzemjest, you can start by man man ;) |
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| 20:55.24 | dutchfish | cr3rzemjest, there are tons of docs already on your system, you just have to read them |
| 20:55.43 | cr3rzemjest | assuming i had infinite amount of time i could read whole Internet |
| 20:55.57 | cr3rzemjest | or something |
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| 21:06.21 | alsd | hi there |
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| 21:07.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: alsd complains about: cITIpITI^ join spammer |
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| 21:07.43 | ST47 | Yay tomaw |
| 21:07.51 | ST47 | cheers and gives cookies |
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| 21:07.54 | tomaw | :) |
| 21:07.55 | alsd | tomaw: thanks |
| 21:07.58 | tomaw | np |
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| 21:15.49 | karsten | jeers and blows cookies. |
| 21:16.53 | hanibana | hi all :) |
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| 21:21.39 | themill | suspects that spammers who aren't smart enough to avoid spamming people with "staff" in the hostmask aren't really that bright. |
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| 21:22.50 | hanibana | I am using Debian Lenny. and I want to change some of X configs by editing xorg.conf. After some search, I found out that Debian Lenny uses the new version of Xorg that does NOT requires xorg.conf and does things automatcally. By the way, a program that I use wants to add some configs to xorg.conf. What should I do in Debian Lenny for this? |
| 21:23.26 | cusco | if you add configurations in xorg.conf you will override autodetect for those settings only |
| 21:23.32 | cusco | so you can add those settings in |
| 21:23.32 | alsd | themill: that's what I was thinking. maybe it's just a script kiddie bot or something |
| 21:24.02 | themill | alsd: not a very well-written bot at that. |
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| 21:24.54 | themill | hanibana: the output of "X -configure" can be a useful template |
| 21:25.12 | hanibana | cusco: add settings in what? |
| 21:25.23 | cusco | in xorg.conf |
| 21:25.27 | hanibana | themil: really! wait ;) |
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| 21:26.29 | alsd | hanibana: you might also want to disable modules that you don't want instead of enabling them, as they are autoprobed |
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| 21:29.41 | hanibana | my main problem is about adding the "SHMconfig true" in xorg.conf to use some of synaptics feature for my laptop touchpad. I create a section for it in xorg.conf and add this option, but the programs like gsynaptics just complain that it's disabled even after restarting X... |
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| 21:30.14 | hanibana | I have done much search about this.... |
| 21:30.18 | cusco | is that in the right section? |
| 21:30.20 | hanibana | but no result... |
| 21:30.23 | hanibana | ;( |
| 21:30.57 | hanibana | I've just copied others configs on the net... cusco.. |
| 21:31.08 | alsd | hanibana: are you sure you need to set things up? my synaptics touchpad works without any config in xorg |
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| 21:31.50 | alsd | hanibana: for the button 4/5 (fake mouse wheel) effect that is |
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| 21:32.37 | hanibana | alsd: my touchpad works great :) . Even better that Vista ... |
| 21:32.56 | hanibana | But, for example, |
| 21:33.25 | hanibana | I want to use syndaemon program to disable touchpad when typing... |
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| 21:33.50 | hanibana | that requires that "SHMconfig true" thing... |
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| 21:35.03 | nsgn | new debian user here. i can't seem to locate firewall preferences of any type in the GUI. i can access specific network services on my debian box, but can't get it to respond to PING |
| 21:35.44 | alsd | hanibana: same here. then maybe write a mouse device section in xorg.conf, with the shmconfig thing in |
| 21:35.45 | blade | !siyh |
| 21:35.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html for ideas to help lenny release soon |
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| 21:35.56 | Mike1 | hey |
| 21:36.06 | pobega | nsgn: Have you installed a firewall? |
| 21:36.24 | nsgn | pobega: nope. i didn't know if it came with one...cause i'm certainly not able to ping it |
| 21:36.26 | Mike1 | how can i toggle the Num-LED? i'm able to enable numpad with numlockx, but the led is off :( |
| 21:36.28 | pobega | Shorewall and Firestarter are good ones |
| 21:36.35 | nsgn | pobega: and i could ping ubuntu out of the box |
| 21:36.40 | pobega | nsgn: Well, I don't know about that -- perhaps it's your intranet |
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| 21:36.57 | nsgn | pobega: nope, i'm online with it fine, and even controlling it via VNC...just no ping |
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| 21:37.48 | hanibana | alsd: my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m6860050e |
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| 21:38.27 | nsgn | i didn't have to change anything save for enabling remote access to get VNC to work |
| 21:38.31 | nsgn | but still no response to ping |
| 21:38.47 | nsgn | even though i'm in the box via VNC from the very machine i'm trying to ping it from |
| 21:38.54 | nsgn | and the debian box can ping out |
| 21:38.58 | nsgn | just wont respond itself |
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| 21:39.13 | pobega | nsgn: I don't know then |
| 21:39.23 | nsgn | well this is handy |
| 21:39.34 | nsgn | not your fault, just weird to have such a simple issue out of the box |
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| 21:40.16 | newsense | nsgn: paste your /etc/sysctl.conf and the output of iptables -S |
| 21:40.17 | diffred | hi! I'm going to give a try to debian after playing with ubuntu for a year and feeling so bloated, where do I download the iso and which one do you recommend me? (My purpose is mainly programming with C++ and all basic stuff ,youtube, gmail ,IRC and pidgin) |
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| 21:40.57 | eptalon | heyas.. |
| 21:41.21 | alsd | hanibana: add a ServerLayout section with "default screen", and input device "Synaptics Touchpad". my guess is that autoprobing doesnt think the touchpad you configured is part of the server |
| 21:41.38 | alsd | hanibana: see 'man xorg.conf' for syntax |
| 21:41.48 | nsgn | newsense: "iptables -S - unknown argument" |
| 21:41.55 | newsense | as root |
| 21:42.00 | nsgn | ah |
| 21:42.04 | eptalon | I have setup boot on a separate (raid1) partition of two drives... |
| 21:42.15 | eptalon | is there a way to olny mount one of them? |
| 21:42.23 | nsgn | newsense: nope, as root, still |
| 21:42.39 | eptalon | as I accidentally nuked the other? |
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| 21:43.03 | eptalon | Alternative how easy is it to get a working /boot? |
| 21:43.32 | newsense | nsgn: iptables -L |
| 21:43.53 | newsense | nsgn: can you ping other boxes and just not the debian one ? |
| 21:44.13 | nsgn | newsense: yes |
| 21:44.25 | nsgn | and the iptable looks screwy...i'm rebooting. i'm not sure whats going on |
| 21:44.35 | nsgn | let me give a good reboot before we go much deeper here |
| 21:44.39 | newsense | ok |
| 21:44.52 | cusco | you can just flush tables |
| 21:44.55 | cusco | flush rules |
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| 21:45.01 | nsgn | yeah, i'm just rebooting |
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| 21:45.21 | cusco | have you flushed rules alredy? |
| 21:45.28 | hanibana | alsd: thanks :) . I'll get a try. I'm going to sleep... zzzzzzzzzz |
| 21:45.32 | newsense | yeah iptables -F |
| 21:45.41 | cusco | yep |
| 21:45.59 | nsgn | annnd now it replies |
| 21:46.10 | hanibana | and thank u cusco too. |
| 21:46.11 | nsgn | well that was special. hope it doesnt happen again |
| 21:46.21 | martianlobster | This is what my sources.list looks like: http://acumen.dyndns.biz/sources.list.txt What can I do to add in the multiverse? |
| 21:46.28 | newsense | cool |
| 21:46.44 | nsgn | next question: any pointers on beginning to configure the mail server i told it to set up during netinstall? |
| 21:46.58 | nsgn | first time debian user and i'm interested in evaluating it as a mail server |
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| 21:47.11 | newsense | msaizar: dpkg-reconfigure exim-config |
| 21:47.17 | alsd | martianlobster: multiverse? you'd rather ask #ubuntu if that's what you're using |
| 21:47.25 | martianlobster | oooh ooop |
| 21:47.37 | newsense | alsd: was wondering why i never heard of the repo |
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| 21:48.07 | newsense | msaizar: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config sorry |
| 21:48.20 | newsense | dammit nsgn |
| 21:48.23 | newsense | oops |
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| 21:48.59 | nsgn | ? |
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| 21:49.00 | newsense | nick completion and bad eyes dont mix i thought your nick started with a m nsgn sorry |
| 21:49.07 | nsgn | hah |
| 21:49.35 | squisher | hey, does anyone know if I can get virtualbox 2.1.x from a repo without going to the official nonfree ones? |
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| 21:49.50 | newsense | nsgn: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config to reconfigure exim4 mailserver |
| 21:49.53 | pobega | squisher: I don't think so, no. You can get virtualbox-ose, though. |
| 21:49.55 | squisher | (where official -> virtualbox ones) |
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| 21:50.06 | diffred | hi! I'm going to give a try to debian after playing with ubuntu for a year and feeling so bloated, where do I download the iso and which one do you recommend me? (My purpose is mainly programming with openGL C++ and all basic stuff ,youtube, gmail ,IRC and pidgin). |
| 21:50.14 | squisher | pobega, but even in unstable virtualbox-ose is only 1.6 -- isn't there an -ose 2.1 version? |
| 21:50.33 | eptalon | diffred: get one of the netinstall images |
| 21:50.59 | piko | diffred: it depends, do you want to use debian or play with new software? |
| 21:51.01 | pobega | I thought that had to do with licensing...Sun only releases older ones as free, or something like that. |
| 21:51.09 | diffred | eptalon: I'm in debian.org, do you mean the minimal bootable cdrom? (I would like Gnome) |
| 21:51.15 | pobega | So if you want something higher than 1.6.6 I think you'll need the proprietary |
| 21:51.34 | diffred | piko: I would like to install some software to play with as in Ubuntu with apt-get |
| 21:51.59 | squisher | pobega, hmm, I need to look it up. I thought the -ose version disabled some (obscure) features, not that it was simply an older release |
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| 21:52.13 | piko | diffred: ok, then use stable, you wont get new software, but it will be stable, you will be able to use it |
| 21:52.13 | eptalon | diffred: I mean the "Debian Netinst" (which comes in two sizes, one like 110M, the other about 250 for i386 |
| 21:52.27 | alsd | pobega: there's a 2.1.2 OSE tarball on the virtualbox website |
| 21:52.40 | squisher | pobega, ah, there is an -ose 2.1.2 version -- it's just not in the unstable repo (because of the lenny transition obviously0 |
| 21:52.42 | pobega | alsd: Oh, wow, I should probably go grab that. Thanks for the tip. |
| 21:53.01 | pobega | I actually searched a while for that and couldn't find it ... I guess I just didn't check the most obvious place |
| 21:53.06 | diffred | eptalon, thanks, do you mean the one of this link? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 21:53.14 | diffred | so in my case the i386 |
| 21:53.21 | piko | diffred: if you use unstable, you will be disapointed by problems |
| 21:53.39 | diffred | piko: then sure I prefer stable |
| 21:53.45 | eptalon | diffred: yep |
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| 21:53.59 | squisher | pobega, ah - so simple. FYI experimental has it. |
| 21:54.09 | diffred | piko: the main thing I need is being updated with openGL libraries and C++ compilers |
| 21:54.24 | piko | diffred: nevertheless, while setting up, you may need several nondebian repos |
| 21:54.30 | pobega | squisher: Yeah, but experimental will require a lot of new libs. I'll survive with 1.6 for now, it's not like I use it that often. |
| 21:54.44 | piko | diffred: which graphic card do you use? |
| 21:55.01 | diffred | piko: in this computer GeForce2 MX/MX 400 |
| 21:55.21 | piko | diffred: ok, then you will need to install nvidia drivers too |
| 21:55.32 | diffred | piko: then I have a macbook santa rosa which I would like to use debian too |
| 21:55.36 | piko | diffred: do you know how to use module-assistant ? |
| 21:55.44 | diffred | piko: nope |
| 21:56.06 | piko | diffred: ok, then ask shen you will be there |
| 21:56.24 | diffred | piko: I guess that all stuff like Flash, Java, and drivers can be installed with apt-get commands like ubuntu? |
| 21:56.26 | eptalon | I am trying to repair an unbootable sid (grub), and I accidentally nuked one of the two disks of my /boot raid1; now both boot disks have different fses. |
| 21:56.39 | eptalon | Whats the quickest way to repair the thing? |
| 21:57.33 | piko | diffred: well, perhaps yes, for java, flash (not sure about its version), drivers depends if these are modules |
| 21:57.35 | alsd | eptalon: i don't know raid, but maybe 'apt-get --reinstall install grub' and same for your running kernel ('linux-image-$(uname -r)') |
| 21:57.42 | piko | diffred: I mean kernel modules like nvidia |
| 21:57.49 | alsd | eptalon: be sure to fix the partition thing first |
| 21:57.55 | cusco | hey folks... |
| 21:58.01 | eptalon | alsd: might try, and format the /boot partition beforehand |
| 21:58.07 | cusco | I think the irssi version in debian testing is buggy |
| 21:58.18 | alsd | eptalon: once you have the package back, 'grub-install' is your friend |
| 21:58.24 | cusco | somebody using irssi in testing right now that cares to check=? |
| 21:58.34 | eptalon | alsd: out of a chroot ubuntu? |
| 21:58.36 | abrotman | !tell cusco about bts |
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| 21:59.30 | alsd | eptalon: what do you mean? ubuntu live cd? |
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| 22:00.23 | cusco | its not on bts |
| 22:00.43 | piko | diffred: just, prepare yourself for need of more studying than with ubuntu |
| 22:00.49 | cusco | so there could be somebody in here with irssi and testing |
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| 22:02.28 | viller | I installed nvidia drivers and I get "Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 173.14.12, but this NVIDIA driver component has version 173.14.09" |
| 22:02.48 | Guerin | viller: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 22:02.56 | cusco | lol |
| 22:03.08 | alsd | cusco: that's what i have here, no bugs. if you find one, check the BTS and maybe report your bug if it's not there already, as abrotman told you |
| 22:03.09 | viller | I used m-a, I have nvidia geforce 5200fx and 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 22:04.34 | cusco | alsd: I was just hoping to confirm ie with sombody else, as it myght be a local problem rather than a global bug (even tho I thing it is global) |
| 22:05.38 | alsd | cusco: what's the problem then? if it's global, might as well be reported already |
| 22:05.46 | piko | viller: do you want to report bug or to fix it ? |
| 22:05.51 | newsense_afk | cusco: what problems are you having with irssi, im on lenny and i use it |
| 22:06.05 | viller | piko: how would I know how to fix it |
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| 22:06.25 | cusco | alsd: I checked bts and the bug I am refering to is not in there |
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| 22:07.16 | piko | viller: there are two ways how to install nvidia drivers - the m-a and direct one. |
| 22:07.30 | cusco | newsense_afk: if you set a dcc_port range (like /set dcc_port 6000 6020) - then send a dcc to somebody it will go out in a different port, never in that range |
| 22:07.44 | cusco | alwyas in a value slight above, or slight under |
| 22:07.47 | piko | viller: If you want to have working nvidia, just download their drivers and install it. |
| 22:08.04 | zinx | piko: you get to support him when his system is broken from doing that |
| 22:08.07 | viller | piko: nvidia-installer or something? |
| 22:08.10 | zinx | piko: just FYI. |
| 22:08.27 | abrotman | piko: don't tell people to do that unless you're willing to help him every time it breaks |
| 22:08.47 | cusco | I just set several different ranges here and tested it with a friend, but Im not sure ie anybody else may have the same problem |
| 22:09.07 | newsense | cusco: havent used dcc send in years myself |
| 22:09.16 | cusco | well nor have I |
| 22:09.57 | piko | zinx, abrotman well, sorry, I tell this because m-a approach worked only several times for me, but the driver installation was ok everytime although I needed to install it every new kernel |
| 22:10.08 | cusco | it doesn't mean that there isn't other people using it |
| 22:10.17 | eptalon | Is is hard to boot form an usb stick? |
| 22:10.17 | piko | viller: ok, wait, maybe abrotman knows something I do not |
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| 22:10.45 | cusco | eptalon: I had a hard time but I managed it |
| 22:10.53 | zinx | viller: just install module-assistant and "m-a a-i -u ~/" or something |
| 22:10.55 | zinx | erh |
| 22:11.03 | zinx | m-a a-i -u ~/ nvidia |
| 22:12.13 | martianlobster | can someone remind me, what is the command to show which modules are installed? |
| 22:12.40 | cusco | lsmod ? |
| 22:12.45 | martianlobster | cusco: thank you |
| 22:12.47 | pobega | martianlobster: lsmod will show which are loaded |
| 22:12.50 | cusco | np |
| 22:12.53 | pobega | oh sorry, beat to the punch |
| 22:13.33 | piko | viller: ok, so this way: first try the debian way m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia or so (or how zinx say), if this does not work, try to download nvidia drivers from nvidia.com. The cause why people here do not perhaps like it is that with every change (update) of kernel you need to do that again and you have to know how to detect it and do it. |
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| 22:14.10 | viller | ok |
| 22:14.29 | zinx | the nVidia.com installer will break for libGL upgrades, and may confuse the package manager enough that it stops working for anything, if you get particularly unlucky :P |
| 22:15.00 | piko | zinx: wow, I did not knew that, it worked for me for three years |
| 22:17.02 | x1250 | what would be a way to make my cpu work 100%? I'm testing ik8mon fan speeds and temps... |
| 22:17.47 | frostschutz | cpuburn? |
| 22:18.26 | x1250 | ok, thanks |
| 22:18.27 | alsd | x1250: nbench maybe? (but it's not in a debian package) |
| 22:18.37 | x1250 | alsd, thanks |
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| 22:20.04 | frostschutz | x1250: beware though, cpuburn is dangerous |
| 22:20.21 | abrotman | it cooked one of my machines |
| 22:20.36 | zinx | cpuburn isn't dangerous on a system with proper cooling/voltage/etc :x |
| 22:21.04 | zinx | if a user can toast your system, you have something seriously wrong with it :P |
| 22:21.35 | piko | zinx: like to use a laptop |
| 22:22.00 | piko | zinx: this is not eg for acer users :) |
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| 22:22.15 | frostschutz | cpuburn uses assembler code to cause maximum load (heat) for specific cpus, it's not something that occurs in normal operation (even under load). so it may be dangerous even if you are confident in your cooling. |
| 22:22.33 | zinx | piko: seriously. if your laptop doesn't have sufficient cooling to run at 100%, that is a design flaw. |
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| 22:22.49 | frostschutz | if 100% is all you want you can just use while(1); :) |
| 22:22.55 | zinx | piko: not saying your laptop isn't flawed - most of them are these days |
| 22:23.07 | piko | zinx: yes, I completely agree but ... as you say :) |
| 22:23.10 | zinx | frostschutz: that's not 100% :) |
| 22:23.16 | monkey_d_luffy | <sigh> I guess I was asking for trouble... I got disconnected :p |
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| 22:23.25 | piko | zinx: I got my acer repaired four times |
| 22:23.42 | piko | zinx: three times new motherboard |
| 22:24.19 | piko | zinx: thanks to the law in my country I could do this even three years after guarantee end |
| 22:24.25 | eptalon | gah. looks I really borked my system. |
| 22:24.29 | alsd | frostschutz: not sure that'll cause the cpu to heat much that way |
| 22:25.42 | eptalon | Cannot burn cd, looks like Icannot boot form usb. |
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| 22:26.59 | piko | zinx: can you comment on good/bad design? |
| 22:27.21 | piko | zinx: like which companies are most problematic? |
| 22:27.30 | [e | if i wish to disable dhcp discover on my eth0/1 connections during boot, how do i go forth? |
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| 22:28.44 | alsd | [e: comment the lines about your NICs in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:29.35 | [e | alsd, thank you.. just noticed that! (: |
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| 22:30.16 | viller | I tried the nvidia installer but it wanted gcc 4.1 so I replaced 4.3 with 4.1 but now theres no cc in path |
| 22:30.20 | viller | how do I fix that? |
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| 22:34.28 | squisher | viller, in general it's not recommended to use the nvidia installer... |
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| 22:34.47 | viller | yeah but what am I supposed to do if m-a doesn't work |
| 22:34.50 | squisher | you might want to have a look at update-alternatives |
| 22:34.56 | zinx | viller: get it to work |
| 22:35.09 | squisher | (for the cc issue), but zinx is still right |
| 22:35.34 | viller | i'm getting tired of linux. It only works if you don't touch anything but if you want to change something you'll have so many problems |
| 22:35.41 | squisher | or you hold back, and wait on the newest kernel or whatever - chances are the nv-installer has the same issues anyways |
| 22:36.01 | squisher | viller, then don't change system compontents. |
| 22:36.13 | squisher | you can work perfectly fine with an older kernel in 99% of all cases |
| 22:36.32 | viller | I haven't changed anything. I never got the nvidia driver to work in the first place but now I need it |
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| 22:37.03 | squisher | use the debian kernel sources, and I am pretty certain the nvidia driver will compile correctly |
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| 22:38.40 | eptalon | Whats the easiest way to get a debian installed on a disk if you cant write a CD? |
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| 22:39.04 | tCzern | is it possible to have on different desktops different wallpapers? in gnome |
| 22:39.07 | squisher | eptalon, usb stick? chroot install is also an option if you have a running system |
| 22:39.11 | eptalon | install ubuntu, and then cross to debian? |
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| 22:39.29 | squisher | eptalon, no why would you do that? |
| 22:39.33 | BlackZ | hello,i have deleted for wrong the user nobody,now what i should do? |
| 22:39.47 | BlackZ | with the command deluser nobody |
| 22:39.47 | alsd | eptalon: if you have a linux live cd you can go installing by hand |
| 22:39.55 | piko | Well, this is the problem, if someone wont get even graphic card working, how will he get enough motivation to stay? |
| 22:39.59 | alsd | eptalon: it's all explained bit by bit in the install manual |
| 22:40.15 | eptalon | chroot install? |
| 22:40.19 | alsd | eptalon: yes |
| 22:40.42 | BlackZ | i should re-add the user nobody with the command useradd ? |
| 22:40.47 | BlackZ | help please! |
| 22:40.57 | piko | I mean stay with debian. Well, we can say, wait until it will be good, but I think the problem persists. |
| 22:40.58 | Eulex | BlackZ, no, do not do that |
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| 22:41.08 | BlackZ | Eulex, and now? |
| 22:41.09 | alsd | eptalon: here tis http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 22:41.17 | BlackZ | i have deleted for wrong the user nobody with command userdel |
| 22:41.24 | BlackZ | but now what i should do? |
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| 22:42.22 | piko | BlackZ: nobody is special kind of user, you will perhaps need to insert the record by editing /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, but BEFORE, back it up. |
| 22:42.26 | squisher | BlackZ, add the following line to /etc/passwd: |
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| 22:42.29 | squisher | nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh |
| 22:43.04 | alsd | eptalon: to make it short, if you just want a scratch system you can forgive later, it boils down to: partition, create filesystem, debootstrap, chroot to file system, setup fstab, install grub+kernel, reboot |
| 22:43.07 | squisher | hmm, not sure about shadow... are those entries portable as well? |
| 22:43.07 | nsgn | alrighty, i've made good progress in learning about mail server stuff on debian. i've got dovecot up and running and can connect and access my local account's mail folders using IMAP |
| 22:43.21 | nsgn | i'm now interested in adding a second user, one that will never log in locally, just via imap |
| 22:43.30 | squisher | BlackZ, and probably 'nobody:*:13846:0:99999:7:::' to /etc/shadow |
| 22:43.43 | enouf | file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 22:43.48 | nsgn | advice on proper procedure for doing this? i've tried adding one in the users and groups GUI panel, but it didn't make them any folders without a local login and thus dovecot wont let me log in as them |
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| 22:44.03 | piko | squisher: afaik shadow just contains passwords and are not world readable |
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| 22:44.24 | BlackZ | squisher, done,now? |
| 22:44.25 | squisher | piko, yeah, what does that info have to do with my question? :-D |
| 22:44.33 | squisher | BlackZ, nothing, that should be it |
| 22:44.37 | enouf | there's /etc/gshadow as well |
| 22:44.45 | squisher | BlackZ, see ^^ |
| 22:44.54 | piko | squisher: well, it means he CAN edit it. |
| 22:44.56 | BlackZ | squisher, ok thanks :D |
| 22:45.07 | squisher | actually, gshadow is for groups, isn't it enouf ? |
| 22:45.25 | enouf | yes, and user nobody is in group nogroup, IINM |
| 22:45.52 | squisher | but it's the primary grou |
| 22:45.54 | squisher | p |
| 22:46.02 | squisher | so no entry in gshadow as far as I can tell |
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| 22:46.37 | BlackZ | squisher, but,what happned if i resolve this? |
| 22:46.46 | squisher | resolve what? |
| 22:46.52 | BlackZ | this is problem |
| 22:46.54 | BlackZ | with user nobody |
| 22:47.07 | squisher | you'll have a properly working system again? |
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| 22:47.27 | BlackZ | squisher, system working |
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| 22:48.26 | BlackZ | squisher, ok,i have edited the file how you are said to me ^^ |
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| 22:49.39 | squisher | BlackZ, ok, good, then I'd say you're done |
| 22:49.54 | nordic | I just broke debian. |
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| 22:50.15 | nsgn | argh, even after a local login I can't get in via IMAP/dovecot to a new user. what differs from my original user and this new user i've created? |
| 22:50.23 | nsgn | (probably easy questions, i'm learning here) |
| 22:50.35 | nordic | i ran apt-get upgrade. now dpkg refuses to do anything. |
| 22:50.56 | squisher | nordic, try apt-get -f install |
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| 22:51.23 | nordic | can't. |
| 22:51.45 | squisher | nordic, yes you can. It might not do anything, but you still can run that command. |
| 22:52.01 | squisher | nordic, be more specific. Noone can help you when you say "refuses". Pastebin the output somewhere |
| 22:52.22 | nordic | hold on i wasn't done, still typing. |
| 22:52.22 | nsgn | i guess better phrased: how does one best create a new user who's purpose is only to log in remotely via dovecot IMAP, and enable them to do so? |
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| 22:52.46 | nordic | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 22:53.06 | squisher | obvious question... so what happens when you run that command? |
| 22:53.15 | nordic | I do that, and every time it tries to fix it but goes through tons of dependency errors. |
| 22:53.50 | alsd | nordic: let it go through, once it's over, apt-get -f install again |
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| 22:54.04 | squisher | now you see that's useful info... and something you should pastebin somewhere, and also mention what you were trying to do in the first place |
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| 22:54.37 | squisher | BlackZ, np |
| 22:55.13 | rwaite | is thinking about deploying lenny to his production server |
| 22:55.14 | nordic | such as, 'error processing libconf2-4 (--configure) - dependency problems, leaving unconfigured' |
| 22:55.50 | nordic | but with about 30 other packages |
| 22:56.11 | squisher | gives up if nordic can't do basic things he is asked about |
| 22:56.14 | alsd | rwaite: there's no security updates yet |
| 22:56.43 | rwaite | that's a good point. hmm. |
| 22:57.34 | alsd | rwaite: and besides, upgrading is a tedious process, see the (temporary) release notes |
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| 22:58.21 | nordic | squisher: I was just updating, for the first time in about six months. Since this computer has been in the basement for awhile. |
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| 23:00.36 | enouf | nordic: check your sources.list, apt-get update ... |
| 23:01.12 | nordic | already tried that. =/ updates the list and then gives the same error. |
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| 23:01.45 | frog_ | hi, i try to play with firestarter. is there no possibility to set the inbound traffic policy as restrictive by default? |
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| 23:03.08 | alsd | nordic: what version of debian are you using ? (etch/lenny/sid)? |
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| 23:03.15 | nordic | lenny |
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| 23:05.14 | alsd | nordic: run the 'dpkg --configure -a' thing several times, until it outputs exactly the same thing, then 'apt-get -f install', and if that doesn't fix it, 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 23:05.52 | nordic | alright, i'll give it a shot. |
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| 23:06.47 | alsd | nordic: 'apt-get upgrade' got interrupted, right? |
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| 23:08.17 | nordic | it encountered the same error i've been getting with dpkg --configure -a, causing it to stop. |
| 23:09.04 | nordic | dpkg: Subprocess Post-Installation Script Returned Error, Exit Status 1 |
| 23:09.05 | dpkg | nordic: You are moron #50 |
| 23:09.32 | rwaite | haha, oh dpkg. |
| 23:09.39 | enouf | that's not the real error nordic |
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| 23:10.30 | rwaite | i have been watching the release candidate bug page and it seems to hover around 100, a few are closed, then a few opened, etc. is this how it always is? |
| 23:11.21 | alsd | rwaite: no, it's hopefully getting to 0, then lenny will be ready for release |
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| 23:11.55 | rwaite | ok. when it is released, are there still bug fixes, or only security? |
| 23:12.35 | enouf | only security, but exceptions can and have been made |
| 23:13.02 | rwaite | so that explains why they wait until it hits 0 |
| 23:13.14 | enouf | big bad godzilla bugs would likely get fixed |
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| 23:15.34 | BlackZ | Reboot,laters. |
| 23:17.33 | abrotman | not only security |
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| 23:27.33 | nsgn | anybody on proper method for creating a user account specific to email access? |
| 23:27.35 | nordic | I figured out the problem. |
| 23:27.49 | nordic | getopt is missing. |
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| 23:34.19 | squisher | nsgn, configure your mailer to authenticate against ldap or mysql or whatever, and just create the accounts there ;-) |
| 23:34.38 | nsgn | squisher: for simplicity's sake, since this is just a test install, can i have it authenticate locally? |
| 23:34.46 | nsgn | ldap is tempting though |
| 23:34.56 | squisher | it should be able to, most do afaik |
| 23:35.07 | nsgn | but for this test i'm attempting to use IMAP for an archiving purpose, no MTA involved. |
| 23:35.19 | nsgn | just dovecot offering up IMAP folders for storage |
| 23:35.27 | nsgn | no incoming/outgoing mail |
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| 23:36.27 | squisher | nsgn, ask at a dovecot place if you're having trouble with the auth and noone here responds |
| 23:36.40 | nsgn | hmm, ok. i thought it was more me creating a user incorrectly |
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| 23:36.44 | nsgn | but maybe it is dovecot specifically |
| 23:37.03 | squisher | if you can login locally, then the user is created and can get authenticated locally... |
| 23:37.10 | nsgn | i think the issue is that nothing is creating a mbox file in the new user's folder |
| 23:37.44 | nsgn | in which case, what is usually responsible for creation of mbox files. your mta? |
| 23:38.39 | squisher | no clue, check the dovecot docs... I personally prefer maildirs |
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| 23:38.48 | nsgn | ok |
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| 23:47.48 | x1250 | guys, what is the /etc/phpmyadmin/htpasswd.setup file for? it only has: |
| 23:47.49 | x1250 | admin:* |
| 23:48.01 | VooDooGuy | Guys, i'm a redhat users trying to support etch as a build platform. What's the lib name for installing ssl libs? |
| 23:48.06 | frog_ | how can i set up the application window in nome, that it would stay in same workspace all the time?and also when i change the workspace and click the icon in a systray i would be transfered to the workspace which i assigned to the specific application? |
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| 23:48.40 | abrotman | VooDooGuy: apt-cache -- search ssl -dev |
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| 23:49.21 | magikfingerz_ | hi, somebody knows how to move my /var and /tmp directories to another partition...? I'm running out of space in my / directory... :p |
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| 23:49.56 | VooDooGuy | abrotman: ty |
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| 23:50.34 | x1250 | magikfingerz_, I guess you have to use /etc/fstab to mount /var in the partition |
| 23:50.38 | alsd | magikfingerz_: go single user ('telinit 1' on console), create your new file system, move /var to it, change /etc/fstab accordingly, and 'telinit 2' to return maybe |
| 23:50.59 | alsd | magikfingerz_: for /tmp you can use tmpfs |
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| 23:51.23 | alsd | magikfingerz_: you can also purge the apt cache 'apt-get clean', that might help |
| 23:51.50 | themill | magikfingerz_: have you don't things like uninstalling unneeded kernels, removing crap in /tmp and /usr/src and apt-get clean already? |
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| 23:52.21 | magikfingerz_ | alsd, the problem is... my fstab does not list my /var partition hehe... :p |
| 23:53.09 | alsd | magikfingerz_: if it's now in / that's ok. you'll have to add the new partition there when it's created |
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| 23:54.57 | magikfingerz_ | alsd, ok... and, Is there any problem if I use a partition already in use...? I'm using an XFS partition for my personal data, and there is a lot of space... and my initial idea was to create a var dir there and a symlink to point there... |
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| 23:55.56 | VooDooGuy | one more thing: redhat has service and chkconfig to disable services at startup. Equivallent on deb? |
| 23:56.02 | alsd | magikfingerz_: you can do that, but in case of PEBKAC that can be troublesome ;) |
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| 23:56.12 | alsd | magikfingerz_: in other words that's unsafe but possible |
| 23:56.32 | magikfingerz_ | alsd, what means PEBKAC...? :p |
| 23:56.39 | VooDooGuy | :) |
| 23:56.42 | VooDooGuy | google it |
| 23:56.48 | newsense | VooDooGuy: rcconf or sysv-rc-conf |
| 23:56.52 | alsd | magikfingerz_: problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 23:56.59 | newsense | VooDooGuy: i prefer sysv-rc-conf |
| 23:57.02 | stoned | probelm existendo between keyboard and chair |
| 23:57.05 | magikfingerz_ | alsd, lol :p |
| 23:57.09 | stoned | could be you |
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| 23:57.38 | themill | VooDooGuy: from scripts, there is invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d for that |
| 23:58.36 | magikfingerz_ | alsd, I follow a guide and I made it, and whe I reboot everything seems OK, but cups tellme that cannot read /var/cups :p |
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| 23:59.26 | alsd | magikfingerz_: how did you move the data? |
| 23:59.48 | alsd | magikfingerz_: maybe there's a permission problem |
