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| 00:00.16 | ringo999 | which xmms2 gui do yall use? |
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| 00:02.40 | jelly-home | ringo999: I resent the implication! |
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| 00:04.22 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Hello |
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| 00:04.39 | deepfriedsquirr1 | I mucked about with KDE4 backports and now I can't uninstall them :-( |
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| 00:06.25 | mardi | deepfriedsquirr1: damn |
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| 00:06.48 | themill | !remove kde |
| 00:06.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data |
| 00:07.08 | deepfriedsquirr1 | aptitude seems to think that I need to install a load of stuff to get rid of it# |
| 00:07.18 | deepfriedsquirr1 | I was just following this :( |
| 00:07.29 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Thanks |
| 00:07.39 | ringo999 | jelly-home: ? |
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| 00:08.37 | jelly-home | some people don't use xmms2 at all |
| 00:08.42 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Well I don't know what they're complicating it for |
| 00:08.50 | deepfriedsquirr1 | I just ran aptitude remove kde4 |
| 00:08.56 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Maybe it's for those who used synaptic |
| 00:09.14 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Ah, I love aptitude |
| 00:09.14 | ringo999 | jelly-home: well, the question was implicitely directed to the ones who do... |
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| 00:10.16 | yassine | good evening everyone |
| 00:10.18 | eptalon | Kernel 2.6.28 in debian yet? |
| 00:10.36 | themill | dpkg: tell eptalon about search |
| 00:11.45 | eptalon | themill: its not listed (sid/experimental), hence I asked. |
| 00:12.00 | hatter | where do i change the consoles resolution ? |
| 00:12.21 | themill | eptalon: that would be the answer to your question then... remember that we're more interested in actually releasing lenny at the moment than version chasing. |
| 00:13.56 | themill | dpkg: tell eptalon about trunk kernel |
| 00:14.03 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Oh no! |
| 00:14.23 | deepfriedsquirr1 | I removed kde and kde-minimal, but then it turns out that there are still bits and pieces like kdebase installed |
| 00:14.33 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Which conflicts with the 3.5.9 stuff |
| 00:14.41 | themill | deepfriedsquirr1: hence removing the libraries... |
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| 00:15.40 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Which I do how? |
| 00:16.28 | deepfriedsquirr1 | I expected aptitude remove kde and aptitude remove kde-minimal would do the trick since i used aptitude install kde-minimal then aptitude install kde to install it |
| 00:17.21 | themill | That will only work if you have nothing else that is manually installed that depends on any bits of kde4. |
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| 00:18.02 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Ah |
| 00:18.03 | deepfriedsquirr1 | I see |
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| 00:19.08 | deepfriedsquirr1 | How would I go about finding out what I've installed that depends on bits and pieces of kde? |
| 00:19.18 | pl4yer0ne | 'lo all |
| 00:19.32 | themill | deepfriedsquirr1: this might get you back to kde3: "aptitude install kdebase kdelibs5_ kdelibs5-data_" but you might be better off asking about these experimental packages in #debian-kde. |
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| 00:20.11 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Cheers |
| 00:20.18 | deepfriedsquirr1 | I'm looking at my bash_history |
| 00:20.18 | themill | deepfriedsquirr1: "aptitude why kdelibs5" might also help. (or other variations of that command) |
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| 00:27.10 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Let's hope this is going to work |
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| 00:27.30 | deepfriedsquirr1 | That'll teach me not to mess with stuff like backports *cowers* |
| 00:28.12 | cirzgamanti | hi, how do i make sure everything is flushed to disk before turning off a sata disk that won't umount? i wanna go sleep :(( |
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| 00:29.03 | batcoder-7 | what is lpd? |
| 00:29.13 | cirzgamanti | i can't find any open files with lsof, no idea why it still says it's busy |
| 00:29.44 | themill | cirzgamanti: try running "sync" |
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| 00:30.25 | cirzgamanti | thx themill |
| 00:30.37 | batcoder-7 | i have/usr.bin/lpd running what is this ? |
| 00:30.40 | cirzgamanti | going into koma now ;) |
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| 00:34.30 | cads | dpkg, man, tell me about modules |
| 00:34.30 | dpkg | wish i knew, cads |
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| 00:34.45 | cads | bro, man... I need to KNOW! |
| 00:35.31 | cads | dpkg tell cads about tell cads about tell cads about modules |
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| 00:36.07 | cads | wow that actually worked |
| 00:36.41 | cads | dpkg tell cads about modprobe and lsmod |
| 00:37.58 | jelly-home | cads, dpkg is a bot. |
| 00:38.10 | jelly-home | not overly smart one |
| 00:38.32 | yassine | anyone here using this grafic card on lenny "Radeon X1200 Series" |
| 00:38.58 | cads | jelly, I could have sworn he was a human |
| 00:39.24 | themill | dpkg, say Yes, cads, I really am human and jelly-home is wrong! |
| 00:39.24 | dpkg | Yes, cads, I really am human and jelly-home is wrong! |
| 00:39.39 | Tramp | and he types fast |
| 00:39.44 | cads | dpkg, say Why, I could pass the turing test any old day. |
| 00:39.44 | dpkg | Why, I could pass the turing test any old day. |
| 00:41.08 | deepfriedsquirr1 | lol |
| 00:41.20 | jelly-home | !penixstrike |
| 00:41.20 | dpkg | Dozens of Penices shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 00:41.55 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Um what? |
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| 00:42.04 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Hmmm |
| 00:42.04 | deepfriedsquirr1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penix |
| 00:42.14 | deepfriedsquirr1 | '(CSD G3: Pure vandalism' |
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| 00:43.41 | cads | The penix is a small gland, located under the third eye. It is used to create Astral tears and cure most kinds of AIDS. - Contributor: LOLBBQ |
| 00:44.14 | deepfriedsquirr1 | I read that |
| 00:44.26 | deepfriedsquirr1 | '(00:43:18) dpkg: from memory, penix is lund' |
| 00:44.32 | deepfriedsquirr1 | What on earth is this thing on about? |
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| 00:46.39 | jelly-home | !seen Penix |
| 00:46.39 | dpkg | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13d 20h 31m 20s ago, saying: 'amitz: no'. |
| 00:47.11 | paulfitzpatrick | I missed a dot in a DNS zone file, it was sent out with a cache time of a week. The missing dot means that www. won't work. Anyone know a way to fix it earlier than week? |
| 00:48.05 | jelly-home | unless you have a way of forcing updates of other people's caches before TTL... |
| 00:48.36 | paulfitzpatrick | what a noob mistake to make |
| 00:49.18 | jelly-home | first thing to do when making DNS changes usually is to lower the times |
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| 00:50.45 | jelly-home | paulfitzpatrick: well, fix it ASAP and hope not many ISPs cached the wrong value ;-) |
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| 00:51.56 | paulfitzpatrick | could I.... create a new nameserver on a different domain name, then update the affected domains to use the new nameserver>? |
| 00:52.08 | paulfitzpatrick | and that update will force everyone to refresh? |
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| 00:53.01 | jelly-home | that's probably not going to be much faster. Depends on your registrar. |
| 00:54.43 | deepfriedsquirr1 | Well thanks folks, I shall be off to try my KDE now. By |
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| 01:01.39 | twisted_ | yo's, I got debian working on my macbook :) apparently the netinst I grabbed was broken or something... businessdisc worked |
| 01:01.55 | twiadpaws | is it possible to sort files found with the find command by name? |
| 01:02.05 | twisted_ | but now! I did a simple apt-get install xserver-xorg and it wants to install a whooole bunch of packages (voodoo, other videocards etc) |
| 01:02.12 | twisted_ | how can I make it not do that? :) |
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| 01:02.28 | twisted_ | twiadpaws: ehr, you mean sort the filename? |
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| 01:02.59 | twiadpaws | sort the files which were found by name |
| 01:03.01 | twiadpaws | idd |
| 01:03.13 | twiadpaws | i get some random sort :b |
| 01:03.18 | twiadpaws | at least it looks like |
| 01:03.50 | jelly-home | twiadpaws: pipe the output thru sort? |
| 01:03.50 | twisted_ | twiadpaws: well find itself has no sort feature, but, doesn't find|sort does that trick? tho that sorts from the first char to the last |
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| 01:04.12 | twisted_ | twiadpaws: you could however, by some l33t awk stuff, make it sort the last bit and then later add back the path |
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| 01:05.12 | twisted_ | twiadpaws: but don't ask me how :p cause I would have no idea |
| 01:05.45 | twisted_ | well, I can make it sort the filenames, sure but I have no idea howto get back the original path... through shellscripting sure but I think that's a lil more then ur lookin for |
| 01:06.07 | jelly-home | also, |
| 01:06.24 | jelly-home | !using find |
| 01:06.25 | dpkg | it has been said that using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 01:07.03 | n3kl | Hello |
| 01:07.12 | twisted_ | hmm... ok, what did I miss... cause I installed xserver-xorg and I have no startx? |
| 01:07.29 | n3kl | I keep getting lines like this in my logs and I don't know what I need to do to correct it: Feb 1 15:10:01 durance CRON[12825]: PAM unable to resolve symbol: pam_sm_authenticate |
| 01:07.38 | n3kl | Can someone help, please? |
| 01:07.57 | n3kl | This looks like it cold be a bug in a package, but what do I know |
| 01:08.18 | twisted_ | hmm... it needs xinit, mkay |
| 01:08.31 | twisted_ | weird that it requires a shitload of other packages but doesn't require xinit |
| 01:08.53 | twisted_ | n3kl: check ur pam config |
| 01:08.58 | twiadpaws | twiadpaws, yeh, I have written a shell script which is passed through php to output a directory. i'd like to have it sorted. i'll do it using php functions then |
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| 01:09.22 | twisted_ | hehe, twiadpaws is having a convo with himself :) |
| 01:09.38 | twiadpaws | omg |
| 01:09.40 | twiadpaws | :) |
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| 01:10.09 | deadcat | any nvidia pcix card will work fine with debian right? |
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| 01:11.47 | n3kl | twisted_: its default |
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| 01:13.14 | twisted_ | n3kl: well, there something goes wrong :) |
| 01:13.26 | twisted_ | n3kl: I'd love to check it out for you, but I'm fighting debian atm |
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| 01:14.08 | n3kl | I will look closer to make sure I didn't change anythign |
| 01:14.44 | twisted_ | huzza x starts |
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| 01:17.06 | twisted_ | n3kl: not accusing you of changing anything, just sayin the pam config is where it goes wrong else it wouldn't produce that error :) |
| 01:17.48 | renateitor | hey |
| 01:17.49 | renateitor | http://gensho.acc.umu.se/cdimage/lenny_di_rc2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:17.55 | renateitor | 404, not found |
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| 01:18.08 | aiuw | I'm managing a server. What program can I use to kill processes if a user uses more than X MB of RAM ? |
| 01:19.02 | twisted_ | aiuw: automatically? |
| 01:19.24 | aiuw | yes |
| 01:19.29 | twisted_ | no idea |
| 01:20.30 | renateitor | hey |
| 01:20.48 | renateitor | i cant download lenny netinstlall :S |
| 01:20.53 | renateitor | someone there? |
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| 01:23.53 | deadcat | any nvidia pcix card will work fine with debian right? |
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| 01:25.31 | twisted_ | hooray, I got X up :) |
| 01:25.41 | twisted_ | deadcat: sure, with the binary nvidia drivers |
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| 01:26.01 | twisted_ | renateitor: just goto debian.org and get a different mirror |
| 01:28.38 | deadcat | twisted_: cool. sounds good. |
| 01:29.26 | twiadpaws | twisted_, find -maxdepth 1 -name "*.*" ! -name "." > sort | while read foo |
| 01:29.28 | twiadpaws | twiadpaws, wouldnt work |
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| 01:30.30 | twiadpaws | twisted, wouldnt work * |
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| 01:32.10 | twisted_ | twiadpaws: hmm how about | instead of > ? |
| 01:32.38 | twiadpaws | input > output |
| 01:32.51 | twiadpaws | indicates that find is the input which should be sorted |
| 01:32.56 | twiadpaws | or am i mistaken? |
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| 01:33.39 | twiadpaws | alright i was mistaken, sorry. can you explain me why to use | instead of > ? |
| 01:33.41 | twiadpaws | works fine now :) |
| 01:33.48 | monchevique | what does fopp mean?? |
| 01:33.56 | mikegriffin | hello, i have installed postfix and dk-filter but am having trouble getting them integrated for incoming verification, i may not quite understand how everything is supposed to work |
| 01:35.20 | twisted_ | LOL, I was readin docs howto get bluetooth up in debian... and I read that it's supposed to work and I'm like... huh... so I switch my mouse on and off, and I be damned... hooray! |
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| 01:39.36 | twiadpaws | twisted_, nice :) |
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| 01:43.41 | twisted_ | twiadpaws: indeed |
| 01:43.55 | twisted_ | twiadpaws: well, | is a pipe and usually you pipe stuff to another program |
| 01:44.05 | twisted_ | twiadpaws: > means write to a file, and >> means append to a file |
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| 01:45.26 | twisted_ | I have the unstable distro of debian, and somehow I can't get a newer kernel then 2.6.26-1 while the latest on kernel.org which is declared stable is 2.6.28-2... |
| 01:45.30 | twisted_ | what gives? ;) |
| 01:46.16 | szymon_g | .... that your distro is out-of-date (a bit) - or that you dont know/wanna install newer version of kernel |
| 01:46.18 | szymon_g | ;p |
| 01:47.01 | atilathehun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:48.01 | atilathehun | do i need the driver... canon mp160, someone has intalado? |
| 01:48.19 | atilathehun | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.21 | atilathehun | ? |
| 01:48.31 | twisted_ | szymon_g: well, dunno I just installed it and I'm kinda amazed that the unstable release of debian has a kernel that is 2 minors behind |
| 01:49.16 | szymon_g | hm.. lenny is shipped with 2.6.26 |
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| 01:49.39 | twisted_ | szymon_g: I'm on unstable (sid) |
| 01:49.57 | twisted_ | oh well I'll bake my own kernel then ;) |
| 01:49.59 | twiadpaws | if |
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| 01:50.25 | twiadpaws | if $count % 2 == 0 <-- that's right in shell script |
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| 01:53.22 | twisted_ | what was the proper ~/. file for X to set the termcolor? |
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| 01:53.27 | chriswaterguy | The link is broken for the netinst file for RC2 of testing. http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 01:55.34 | twiadpaws | what's modulo in shellscript? |
| 01:55.36 | Marrek | hi. someone here, or is everyone enjoying the superbowl? |
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| 01:56.23 | twiadpaws | Marrek, I live in switzerland, i cannot receive a channel broadcasting such a nice sport : < |
| 01:56.38 | twiadpaws | Marrek, not with no satellite : > |
| 01:56.38 | twisted_ | what superbowl :p |
| 01:56.51 | twisted_ | people smokin loads of ganja and I'm not invited?! |
| 01:56.52 | twisted_ | outrageous |
| 01:57.10 | twisted_ | time to stop the us-centric world view |
| 01:57.15 | twisted_ | ;) |
| 01:58.04 | Marrek | twiadpaws: hehe. "ard", the biggest german state controlled broadcasting station is broadcasting it in HD!!! :D |
| 01:58.45 | twisted_ | oh that might've been what they were broadcasting in the pub a few hours ago |
| 01:58.49 | Marrek | twiadpaws: they got their own cameras, so there are no commercial breaks as well ;) |
| 01:58.50 | twisted_ | dunno |
| 01:59.24 | Marrek | but still i've got a debian related question |
| 01:59.46 | Sazpaimon | can someone suggest a good app for streaming video, I currently use icecast with Theora but it leaves much to be desired |
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| 02:01.02 | twiadpaws | emmmm |
| 02:01.09 | chriswaterguy | hmm. I guess testing RC2 has only been out for a day - but should we tell someone that the link is broken? |
| 02:01.24 | twiadpaws | Marrek, NO WAY I NEED TO REINSTALL MY TV CARD!! |
| 02:01.25 | Marrek | i'm running lenny on a root (needs to be lenny, cause etch doesn't support glibc 2.4 natively, what is needed for left 4 dead server binary) but as you know, the lenny kernel has no multicore support yet |
| 02:01.27 | twiadpaws | Marrek, when will it be over? |
| 02:02.31 | Marrek | twiadpaws: 3rd quarter is allmost over |
| 02:02.40 | twisted_ | Sazpaimon: mplayer? |
| 02:02.47 | Marrek | twiadpaws: 20:7 pitsburg |
| 02:03.27 | multi_io | where in the CUPS configuration can you set the print command to be used to "lp" rather then "lpr"? |
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| 02:03.34 | Marrek | does anyone have any idea about the stable release of lenny? :P |
| 02:04.28 | Sazpaimon | twisted_, I meant a server |
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| 02:04.35 | Sazpaimon | you know, instead of icecast |
| 02:04.44 | Sazpaimon | I was thinking maybe darwin streaming server |
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| 02:05.17 | twisted_ | Sazpaimon: ah sorry |
| 02:05.27 | Marrek | twiadpaws: 3rd quarter over |
| 02:05.32 | twiadpaws | Marrek, what a shame, it's really nice to watch. I'n switzerland there's no opportunity given to practice this sport because it would take up all the space the country has got available :b do you know when other matches will be played. sorry for off topic guys :) |
| 02:05.39 | twisted_ | Sazpaimon: well vlc can stream... mplayer technically can too |
| 02:06.01 | Sazpaimon | twisted_, I still mean a server |
| 02:06.08 | Sazpaimon | i know how to stream with those two |
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| 02:06.19 | Sazpaimon | but I'd like to host a dedicated sreaming server that clients can connect to |
| 02:06.33 | Sazpaimon | you know like how shoutcast and icecast work |
| 02:06.35 | Sazpaimon | but for video |
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| 02:08.25 | mimcpher | What package is the docs for stuff like "scanf", "malloc", you know standard C stuff, in? |
| 02:08.32 | Marrek | twiadpaws: http://www.nfl.com/schedules#Week <-- this is your page! but it's superbowl.... playoffs are over, so it is the end of the season |
| 02:08.52 | zinx | mimcpher: manpages-dev perhaps |
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| 02:11.09 | Marrek | again, has anyone an opinion about when lennys gonna go stable? |
| 02:11.38 | twiadpaws | why cant i run a shell using $count++ it says the command was not found |
| 02:11.41 | twiadpaws | Marrek, thanx a lot |
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| 02:11.53 | Marrek | twiadpaws np |
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| 02:13.19 | maggot_brain | Marrek: The official word on Lenny's release is 'when it's done'. |
| 02:13.36 | Marrek | twiadpaws: DUUUUUDE!!!! do you recieve austrian tv? orf broadcasts if i'm right ;D |
| 02:13.40 | maggot_brain | you won't get much more than that |
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| 02:15.04 | batcoder-7 | what is /usr/sbin/lpd ? |
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| 02:15.59 | enouf | line printer daemon |
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| 02:17.00 | bolaop | i have installed usbmount but my microcard on usb7 is not auto-amount. do i have to do something else? |
| 02:17.12 | twiadpaws | anyone know how to use modulo in shell, there's nothing about in the doc i'm reading lol |
| 02:17.12 | bolaop | auto-mounted |
| 02:18.05 | mimcpher | zinx, thanks, that was the package I wanted. |
| 02:18.08 | twiadpaws | oh great they had to translate it so i wouldnt found it nvm |
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| 02:21.29 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever use curlftpfs? |
| 02:21.40 | batcoder-7 | takes so long for folers and files to load like holy crap |
| 02:21.54 | batcoder-7 | small things like 10 seconds |
| 02:22.00 | batcoder-7 | longer things like 30-45 seconds |
| 02:22.30 | batcoder-7 | does curlftpfs actually save every file to your computer? |
| 02:22.31 | enouf | sounds like konqueror |
| 02:22.47 | enouf | s/sounds/smells |
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| 02:23.30 | batcoder-7 | ahhh |
| 02:23.35 | batcoder-7 | this damn thing worked the whole time |
| 02:23.39 | batcoder-7 | I see what it does now |
| 02:23.44 | batcoder-7 | what an idiot |
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| 02:24.05 | batcoder-7 | curlftpfs takes a ftp file system and makes it on your system |
| 02:24.22 | batcoder-7 | but it doesnt pull from the ftp every directory you enter it DL's all the files |
| 02:24.46 | batcoder-7 | depending on how much stuff is in there i guess will depend on how fst the folder will load |
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| 02:26.36 | batcoder-7 | this is not really all too practical |
| 02:26.41 | jester45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.44 | batcoder-7 | if every dir you enter it downloads every file |
| 02:27.56 | batcoder-7 | actually maybe it was only my file manager doing that who knows |
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| 02:28.12 | jester45 | what do you use |
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| 02:28.51 | multi_io | when trying to print to a CUPS printer from acroread, acroread always uses the selected printer options to build a print command line that starts with "lpr" rather than "lp" |
| 02:29.20 | jester45 | if its gnome then it is probly trying to get thumbnails and extended info |
| 02:29.20 | multi_io | ...which means printing doesn't work |
| 02:29.20 | multi_io | where can I switch this to "lp"? |
| 02:29.25 | jester45 | isnt lpr the print command? |
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| 02:29.38 | pinholecamera | hey folks how goes it |
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| 02:30.41 | tognado | good evening. is there any samba+ldap+kerberos ON DEBIAN tutorial ? |
| 02:30.44 | pinholecamera | i'm getting this error whilst trying to run an install script for mp3splt... anybody know why it might be throwing this? "4/5 Running autoconf... configure.ac:61: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_WITH_LTDL... If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow." |
| 02:30.46 | twisted_ | ah the joy of configgin a kernel |
| 02:30.49 | twisted_ | ^_^ |
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| 02:32.22 | apong | can i get help on usbmount? |
| 02:32.44 | multi_io | jester45: afaik, "lp" is the new standard print command under CUPS. lpr is just there for compatibility with lpd. |
| 02:32.54 | multi_io | don'T ask me why they did this. |
| 02:33.22 | jester45 | well does it take the same imput |
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| 02:33.34 | apong | nobody knows anything about usbmount? |
| 02:33.44 | emss | pinholecamera: maybe your autoconf doesn't correspond to the one the script depends on? |
| 02:33.44 | multi_io | not exactly -- lpr takes "-P printer", lp takes "-d printer" |
| 02:33.56 | jester45 | o so a symlink wont help |
| 02:34.21 | multi_io | a script would help, but I still want to know what's going on here |
| 02:34.33 | enouf | multi_io: which verrsion of acroread? |
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| 02:34.47 | multi_io | enouf: 8 |
| 02:35.07 | pinholecamera | emss: hrmm, maybe an older one conflicting with a newer? |
| 02:35.09 | multi_io | 8.1.2 06/21/2008 |
| 02:35.15 | jester45 | blames acroread for being a non-conformist |
| 02:35.42 | batcoder-7 | midnight commander is the shi |
| 02:35.56 | batcoder-7 | it can moun remote ftp's as well |
| 02:35.59 | batcoder-7 | nice really nice |
| 02:36.17 | pinholecamera | emss: huh, i see a conflict in aptitude show with "Conflicts: autoconf2.13 (< 2.13-47), gettext (< 0.10.39)" |
| 02:36.25 | batcoder-7 | you cna use mouse too |
| 02:36.26 | batcoder-7 | wow |
| 02:36.29 | batcoder-7 | uses like 1 mb |
| 02:36.30 | batcoder-7 | wow |
| 02:36.43 | batcoder-7 | midnight commander for the win for sure |
| 02:36.47 | pinholecamera | emss: i guess it's one of those, potentially |
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| 02:37.30 | pinholecamera | looks like i've got both 2.61-4 and 2.13 installed at the same time? |
| 02:38.14 | pinholecamera | what do you folks reckon the best course of action would be for that, at least in the context of building mp3splt |
| 02:38.52 | enouf | multi_io: sorry, i can't help |
| 02:39.04 | doctormo_ | In a really interesting move (on a par with stage1 gentoo installs) I managed to upgrade DSL to Debian etch, although there are still a few issues to fix |
| 02:39.12 | enouf | no printer hooked up |
| 02:39.16 | doctormo_ | one of which is the damn halt init.d is missing |
| 02:39.28 | emss | pinholecamera: there are mp3splt packages in the repositories |
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| 02:39.53 | pinholecamera | emss: i usually had problems installing those in the past, i can't recall why now |
| 02:39.57 | pinholecamera | i will give it a shot again |
| 02:40.09 | muxpux | hi any good howtos on debian+mailman+mysql? |
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| 02:41.01 | pinholecamera | gah, who knows, it's in the repo now and it works, so i'm not going to give it any more thought |
| 02:41.03 | pinholecamera | thanks emss |
| 02:41.03 | emss | pinholecamera: I mean you can use aptitude install mp3splt |
| 02:41.15 | emss | :) |
| 02:41.35 | pinholecamera | yeah, i just did, for some reason in the past i've had issues with that... i think because i was missing gettext or something, which i mitigated first thing |
| 02:41.40 | pinholecamera | so there it is. thanks! |
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| 02:45.24 | enouf | pinholecamera: might be your default automake ~$ update-alternatives --config automake |
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| 02:46.43 | apong | this channel should go to hell. it serves no purpose except casual chat. |
| 02:47.26 | pinholecamera | enouf: nice, i will give it a shot |
| 02:47.31 | pinholecamera | apong: there's the spirit. |
| 02:48.15 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever use ssh2fs? |
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| 02:49.22 | x1250 | batcoder-7, why just don't you ask your question? |
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| 02:49.29 | batcoder-7 | sorry |
| 02:49.46 | batcoder-7 | when you mount a file system or sftp w/e does it download everything from there and keep them synced? |
| 02:49.56 | abaddon | any idea about this > Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 195.20.242.89 80] < getting it on ftp.se.debian.org as well |
| 02:49.59 | batcoder-7 | or does it browse like a normal ftp client? |
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| 02:50.28 | abaddon | cant use apt-get update because it fails with those errors |
| 02:50.35 | abaddon | some hack attempt? |
| 02:51.49 | x1250 | batcoder-7, it doesn't download anything if you don't want it to. To really download something you must copy it to one of your local directories |
| 02:52.00 | batcoder-7 | thats what i thought |
| 02:52.06 | batcoder-7 | i think curlftpfs does not work that way |
| 02:52.08 | doctormo | ab\ |
| 02:52.09 | batcoder-7 | it uses fuse or what not |
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| 02:52.16 | doctormo | abaddon: did you try wget? |
| 02:52.34 | abaddon | ok let me check |
| 02:52.40 | batcoder-7 | to mount a filesystem ftp in curlftpfs i must wait like 30-60 seconds to cd it |
| 02:52.54 | batcoder-7 | is it downloading all the files or is it indexing or something like that? |
| 02:53.51 | x1250 | batcoder-7, haven't tried curlftpfs yet, but does sshfs do what you expect it to do? |
| 02:54.11 | batcoder-7 | yea for sshfs i havent tried ti though so i dont know |
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| 02:54.43 | batcoder-7 | i just found it odd but when mount a file system with curlftpfs and then i doa simple ls it takes like 30 seconds on a decent size remote folder to then go in and cd etc |
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| 02:54.46 | batcoder-7 | then it works fast |
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| 02:54.56 | batcoder-7 | makes me think its maybe indexing all the files in that new directory or something ? |
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| 02:57.25 | abaddon | doctormo, some weird config i did with dnat for openvz that made all outbound connections go to the web vps, i still dont get it but at least i know whats wrong, thanks :-) |
| 02:59.21 | doctormo | abaddon: welcome |
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| 03:02.29 | doctormo | I think i need a lighter webbrowser than iceweasle, 64MB just isn't enough |
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| 03:04.02 | twisted_ | pff, k done configgin the new kernel :) now it's compiling... hehe |
| 03:04.22 | twisted_ | doctormo: links2 is pretty lightweight ;) |
| 03:04.39 | twisted_ | doctormo: else you can always use telnet if you think it's still too heavy ;) |
| 03:05.20 | doctormo | twisted_: takes it, well I have lynx installed, yet I can't help thinking a graphical browser would be useful |
| 03:06.05 | abaddon | doctormo, dillo is lighert but maybe too light to display some sites ok |
| 03:06.18 | twisted_ | doctormo: true, I myself cannot really think of surfing without having adblock, noscript... and for devving the webdevtoolbar and firebug... |
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| 03:06.50 | doctormo | this machine is for an 8 year old proto programmer, I just care that he can do some stuff. |
| 03:06.51 | twisted_ | damn compiling takes long... |
| 03:07.02 | abaddon | http://www.dillo.org/ , wonder why its not in the debian repository anymore.. |
| 03:07.24 | twisted_ | ain't opera smaller then firefox/iceweasel? |
| 03:07.33 | twisted_ | how about webkit? |
| 03:07.45 | twisted_ | those are the 3 I'd go for if you want to see some serious stuff :p |
| 03:07.52 | doctormo | give it a few years and everything will be webkit |
| 03:07.57 | batcoder-7 | or anyone here use a fuse file system? |
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| 03:08.07 | doctormo | webkit vs mozilla-5 vs mozilla-4 |
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| 03:08.11 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: under osx I use it extensivly |
| 03:08.45 | twisted_ | doctormo: either that or gecko |
| 03:08.57 | twisted_ | doctormo: I prefer gecko myself but webkit is fast tho... |
| 03:09.06 | [vr] | Hello, I am using amd64 debian - unstable and trying to locate an installable package of mencoder to satisfy DeVeDe so I can try my hand at authoring DVD's. My apt-cache search says mencoder has been deprecated... Is there a better DVD authoring tool I could be steered towards? |
| 03:09.19 | batcoder-7 | twisted_, does it just download the index of the files or does it keep the remote say ftp and the mounted dir the same? |
| 03:09.47 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: depends on the fs... |
| 03:09.58 | batcoder-7 | casue i mount with curlftpfs |
| 03:10.05 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: the ssh thing I used for scp refreshed it when I opened a new window for it |
| 03:10.06 | batcoder-7 | then it mounts ok drop me to cl ok good |
| 03:10.13 | abaddon | [vr], debian-multimedia.org |
| 03:10.15 | batcoder-7 | i do an ls and boom takes like 30 seconds |
| 03:10.30 | batcoder-7 | then its fast to goto other dir's etc |
| 03:10.36 | batcoder-7 | i dont know what its doing in those 30 seconds |
| 03:10.37 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: yeah, cause it tries to give you the realtime stuff |
| 03:10.45 | batcoder-7 | downloading all the fileson the ftp and making them sync |
| 03:10.46 | batcoder-7 | or |
| 03:10.49 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: prolly a dirlisting |
| 03:10.58 | batcoder-7 | a listing of the all the files |
| 03:11.12 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: I assume a dirlist! getting all the files would be insane |
| 03:11.20 | batcoder-7 | thats crucial is it giving me the file names or the files themselves? |
| 03:11.27 | batcoder-7 | i would think so |
| 03:11.33 | batcoder-7 | bu it took like 30 seconds |
| 03:11.49 | batcoder-7 | and one ftp took like 60 seconds and other ones are almost instant |
| 03:11.50 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: maybe the ftp disconnects and then reconnects etc |
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| 03:12.08 | batcoder-7 | the one that took like a min was freaking huge a 5 year old ftp built up with everything like 40 dir's |
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| 03:12.36 | batcoder-7 | but yea not sure if its getting the files or just a listing |
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| 03:12.50 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: maybe it gets a recursive dirlisting? but like I said, it's the fs (curlftpfs in your case) |
| 03:13.16 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: has nothing to do with fuse, fuse is just the layer between the fs and your kernel |
| 03:13.17 | batcoder-7 | maybe regualr ftp clients dotn get listing of all the files and since it looks like its a native folder it tries to get file lisitng of it all and just takes longer |
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| 03:13.37 | batcoder-7 | twisted_, yes but they all mostly work the same way |
| 03:13.55 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: doesn't have to :) I'd check the docs of that fs |
| 03:14.08 | batcoder-7 | maybe getting a dir listing of everything in the folder over ftp can take a min? |
| 03:14.17 | batcoder-7 | they are not all so implicit |
| 03:14.23 | batcoder-7 | sorry ex |
| 03:14.23 | batcoder-7 | hehe |
| 03:14.39 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: depends on ur connection then I guess |
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| 03:15.06 | batcoder-7 | twisted_, but this last one tok like man atleast 1.5 mins |
| 03:15.14 | batcoder-7 | i thought iwas froze but then after that its perfect |
| 03:15.23 | batcoder-7 | so its either grabbing a dir listing or all the files |
| 03:15.42 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: grabbing all the files makes no sense |
| 03:15.48 | batcoder-7 | i know |
| 03:15.53 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: defies the purpose of the fs |
| 03:16.08 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: but as I said, I dunno with that specific fs ;) |
| 03:16.10 | batcoder-7 | but when i do an ls it takes like 1 minute |
| 03:16.18 | batcoder-7 | on this particular ftp then after that its very fast |
| 03:16.28 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: then its the connection ;) |
| 03:16.45 | batcoder-7 | i got a 20 mb connection |
| 03:16.52 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: other side might be slow? |
| 03:16.54 | batcoder-7 | maybe though its goaddy |
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| 03:17.10 | batcoder-7 | but yea other ftp's are much faster much much |
| 03:17.16 | batcoder-7 | 1-4 seconds delay if that |
| 03:17.20 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: then I guess it;s the connection? ;) |
| 03:17.31 | batcoder-7 | or just more files to DL ;) |
| 03:17.42 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: check the docs.... |
| 03:17.58 | batcoder-7 | this was was taking forever so i just crtl c'd it and it stopped |
| 03:18.15 | batcoder-7 | then it could cd and ls the dir's almost like it didnt get the full listing or all the files |
| 03:18.17 | batcoder-7 | or something |
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| 03:18.42 | multi_io | enouf: it works now. I replaced the lpr package with the cups-bsd package |
| 03:20.26 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: http://curlftpfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:20.30 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: check the last faq |
| 03:20.46 | batcoder-7 | twisted_, another thing that pisses me off is that it uses curl |
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| 03:21.48 | scorche | and what is wrong with that? |
| 03:21.54 | batcoder-7 | twisted_, that thing did not help me much hehe |
| 03:22.00 | batcoder-7 | it is just more overhead |
| 03:22.13 | batcoder-7 | this thing is either getting a dir listing or all the files |
| 03:22.19 | batcoder-7 | all the files seems nuts but who knows |
| 03:22.42 | batcoder-7 | 1 minute to get a dir listing |
| 03:22.56 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: that's not weird on a shitty connection as I said before |
| 03:23.03 | batcoder-7 | but maybe a slow connection on the server side goaddy i dont htink is all that good + they prolly put some stupid transfer limit |
| 03:23.10 | twisted_ | and nothing on the projects site indicates that it actually gets all the files |
| 03:23.31 | twisted_ | also it's ftp, so might have to do with pasv |
| 03:23.38 | twisted_ | try it with or without pasv, etc |
| 03:23.39 | batcoder-7 | hmm maybe i dunno |
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| 03:24.06 | batcoder-7 | oh you mean maybe the server limits heavily the passv connection or how many threads it cna have ? |
| 03:24.12 | batcoder-7 | godaddy hosting was always never too good |
| 03:24.27 | twisted_ | damn I didn't deselect everything it seems in the kernel, it's building a LOT of crap I don't need, lol |
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| 03:25.33 | twisted_ | batcoder-7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol#Connection_methods |
| 03:25.49 | Jorophose | so, when I log into my debian computer in CLI, I get a message telling me I have mail... any idea how to read it? |
| 03:26.26 | twisted_ | Jorophose: /var/mail/ |
| 03:26.35 | twisted_ | Jorophose: pine usually reads that ;) |
| 03:26.46 | twisted_ | Jorophose: but good ol' less can also read it just fine |
| 03:26.59 | twiadpaws | bah my comp crashed! |
| 03:27.40 | Jorophose | would I have to point less at /var/mail? what about using something like Claws/ |
| 03:27.49 | twisted` | ugh... I have to reconfigure my kernel... again... d'oh |
| 03:27.52 | twiadpaws | no fucking way the soundcard plugged itself out : \ |
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| 03:28.07 | twisted` | Jorophose: there should be files inside /var/mail |
| 03:28.18 | slabdata | Jorophose: just type mail |
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| 03:28.25 | batcoder-7 | hmmm |
| 03:29.07 | twisted` | but mail is mean :( |
| 03:29.20 | twiadpaws | does anyone know why my usbharddisk isn't listed in fdisk -l but is recogized via lsusb? |
| 03:29.38 | twiadpaws | i had a solution for this once but i cant remember : < |
| 03:29.40 | twisted` | twiadpaws: driver? |
| 03:29.47 | n3kl | twiadpaws: cause fdisk -l needs the device |
| 03:29.55 | n3kl | like fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 03:30.02 | Jorophose | I'll give them all a shot. Thanks guys =D |
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| 03:30.29 | twiadpaws | twiadpaws, drivers should all be installed it worked once, i could access the drive whatsoever but not anymore |
| 03:30.31 | twiadpaws | dunno why |
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| 03:31.12 | twisted` | twiadpaws: pwnd, but try what n3kl said |
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| 03:36.34 | Facedown | erm - is ".profile" the file I would modify if I wanted to update/add the default text editor? |
| 03:36.46 | twisted` | wewt, found again what file to edit to change my term colors ^_^ (.Xdefaults) |
| 03:36.47 | Facedown | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.01 | Facedown | so far i have "export EDITOR=vim" but I have a feeling this isn't it |
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| 03:37.51 | ix | Facedown: I'm assuming you're using bash - try having a look at .bashrc |
| 03:38.18 | ix | (and/or .bash_profile) |
| 03:38.29 | kc8sbv | #flood |
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| 03:39.09 | x1250 | I have a problem with modprobe and i8k module. I /etc/modprobe.d/options I have the line: "options i8k force=1" (without ""), but dmesg shows nothing when rebooting, and I have to manually run sudo modprobe i8k force=1 to load it properly. Anyone knows what could be happening? |
| 03:39.14 | twisted` | damn kernel STILL not done compiling... ok something is seriously wrong here |
| 03:39.16 | Facedown | ix: I see a few lines in there, one of them being "export PS1='\h:\w\$ ' which looks like a time pattern |
| 03:39.21 | Facedown | the others are just comments |
| 03:39.46 | ix | Facedown: That's the design of your prompt. |
| 03:40.09 | ix | Facedown: In any case, would you permanently like to change editor for the whole system, or just your user? |
| 03:40.46 | Facedown | system |
| 03:40.55 | Facedown | i just used the same line in .bashrc |
| 03:41.01 | Facedown | "export EDITOR=vim" |
| 03:41.05 | Facedown | in /root/.bashrc |
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| 03:41.52 | ix | Facedown: try running update-alternatives --config editor |
| 03:42.15 | Facedown | hmm |
| 03:42.43 | Facedown | how does that work? |
| 03:42.50 | Facedown | err |
| 03:43.04 | Facedown | it's just ive never done this sort of thing before, its usually all text files |
| 03:43.08 | Facedown | how come this isnt a text file change? |
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| 03:47.40 | \amethyst | Facedown: Debian applications, if EDITOR and VISUAL are not set, use /usr/bin/editor. This is a symlink to the systemwide default editor, maintained through the alternatives system (man update-alternatives) |
| 03:48.51 | Facedown | i see |
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| 03:49.01 | Facedown | but what's the correct way to set EDITOR? |
| 03:49.05 | Facedown | just fyi |
| 03:49.08 | Facedown | for *my* info |
| 03:49.12 | \amethyst | Facedown: for a user? in .bashrc |
| 03:49.30 | Facedown | i tried to edit /root/.bashrc with "export EDITOR=vim" |
| 03:49.37 | \amethyst | Facedown: and preferably your .bash_profile or .profile would source .bashrc if you are running bash |
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| 03:49.46 | Facedown | and then i did visudo and it still opened it up in Nano |
| 03:49.56 | Facedown | oh, hm |
| 03:50.01 | Facedown | so i might've missed the source part |
| 03:50.16 | Facedown | its like an "update" that i need to type, right? |
| 03:50.25 | \amethyst | Facedown: .bash_profile or .profile is used only for interactive login shells, .bashrc only for interactive non-login shells |
| 03:50.41 | \amethyst | Facedown: you can do . ~/.bashrc to reload your .bashrc |
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| 03:51.30 | \amethyst | Facedown: usually your .bash_profile or .profile would contain that line, so that .bashrc will be run for both login and non-login shells |
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| 03:55.54 | triptec | I just updated my kernel and now my cpu fan is driving me crazy... wtf do I do |
| 03:56.26 | triptec | been about a year since I netinstalled etch |
| 03:57.08 | twisted` | real 41m32.245s < unacceptable for a dualcore cpu... compiling a kernel... bah |
| 03:57.59 | twisted` | I remember doing 2min compiles on my gentoo system with a p4... so what the hell gives :p |
| 03:58.28 | zinx | twisted`: maybe you should go back to gentoo |
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| 04:02.26 | twisted` | zinx: hehe |
| 04:02.48 | twisted` | well, setting CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 seems to max both my cores, and it goes a lot faster now so I'll see |
| 04:03.47 | twisted` | zinx: actually the idea was to get gentoo on this system but since they totally lacked the ability to get an installer from an usbstick (without already having linux), I went with debian... which well, also does what I want so, why the hell not :) |
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| 04:04.51 | zinx | twisted`: because Debian will never be able to compile your kernel in "2 minutes" on your system :/ |
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| 04:05.37 | twisted` | zinx: it should be able, I just made the mistake to grab the kernel from kernel.org which has most set to module or built-in |
| 04:13.19 | enouf | you mean you don't know how to configure a kernel? |
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| 04:18.01 | x1250 | My ssh keys have no password, but the gnome-keyring-daemon is asking me to unlock them? If I deny to unlock it, I still can connect to the ssh server (sshfs). Why is this happening? I'm using gnome 2.24, but this didn't happen on gnome 2.22 |
| 04:18.38 | x1250 | ofcourse, if I kill the daemon, then all works fine, so its something with gnome-keyring-daemon |
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| 04:23.41 | x1250 | Uhm, maybe I found a fix on google: gconftool-2 --set -t bool /apps/gnome-keyring/daemon-components/ssh false |
| 04:23.51 | twisted` | enouf: well it seems it still hides a lot from me :p cause it still took 20min, but it sounds a lot better already |
| 04:24.22 | twisted` | oh cause it crapped out |
| 04:24.26 | twisted` | wtf |
| 04:24.27 | enouf | heh |
| 04:26.11 | twisted` | stupid... |
| 04:26.23 | twisted` | was missing zlib1g-dev |
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| 04:27.04 | Lagaro | hello everybody |
| 04:28.09 | enouf | x1250 can you access /apps/gnome-keyring/.../... through gconf-editor? |
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| 04:29.14 | twisted` | so another hour in total wasted :p |
| 04:29.26 | enouf | should've hit the bong man |
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| 04:29.33 | twisted` | enouf: werd |
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| 04:40.35 | batcoder-7 | twisted`, i still wonder if its dl'ing files or just getting listings hmmmm |
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| 04:42.26 | GhostlyDeath | CPU Frequency scaling is wrong, when the processor is busy, the frequency lowers, but when it's idle the frequency is at the max |
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| 04:44.00 | Lagaro | GhostlyDeath: what governer is being used? |
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| 04:44.16 | GhostlyDeath | How would I check? |
| 04:44.28 | Lagaro | GhostlyDeath: cpufreq-info should tell you |
| 04:45.21 | GhostlyDeath | available cpufreq governors: conservative, ondemand, powersave, userspace, performance |
| 04:45.32 | GhostlyDeath | says it's using performance |
| 04:45.48 | Lagaro | GhostlyDeath: try changing it to ondemand with 'cpufreq-set -g ondemand' |
| 04:46.14 | Lagaro | GhostlyDeath: I think that's what it is . . . |
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| 04:48.17 | Lagaro | GhostlyDeath: does that do anything? is it a valid command? |
| 04:48.25 | GhostlyDeath | Lagaro: Looking around in cpufreqd.conf, it appears when the temperature is between 131F and 212F it forces it to lower |
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| 04:49.01 | Lagaro | GhostlyDeath: mmm . . . change the lower limit up a tad . . . (what's that in C, BTW?) |
| 04:49.13 | GhostlyDeath | Lagaro: it only changed a single processor |
| 04:49.16 | GhostlyDeath | 55 to 100 |
| 04:49.32 | GhostlyDeath | My CPU right now is at 140F and sometimes it spikes to 150F |
| 04:50.13 | Lagaro | GhostlyDeath: alright, then do two things . . . change your lower-limit to 150F or something, and set the governer for all your CPUs . . . |
| 04:50.57 | Lagaro | GhostlyDeath: my Centrino dual-core laptop runs at around 50-65 degrees C usually, but I'm assuming you're using a desktop? |
| 04:51.04 | GhostlyDeath | Laptop |
| 04:51.20 | GhostlyDeath | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5600 @ 1.83GHz |
| 04:51.24 | zinx | erh, if it's seriously going to 100C, you are lacking some cooling |
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| 04:51.33 | zinx | it's going to fry well before that :x |
| 04:52.15 | GhostlyDeath | seems to be a screwy config |
| 04:52.18 | Lagaro | zinx: intel laptops run at around 50 degrees C IME |
| 04:52.33 | Lagaro | GhostlyDeath: prolly a desktop config, desktops run cooler |
| 04:52.54 | GhostlyDeath | my desktop is usually always at 50% power |
| 04:53.18 | GhostlyDeath | EEEPC is like my laptop, 100% power but another EEEPC is at 50% power when inactive |
| 04:53.25 | Lagaro | GhostlyDeath: well, heh, I'd guess the config is your problem . . . |
| 04:53.30 | zinx | Lagaro: sure, and they're fine at that temp. but not 100C. |
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| 04:53.45 | GhostlyDeath | Before I reinstalled Debian (on my new SSD) Cpu Frequency was working good |
| 04:53.46 | Lagaro | zinx: ^^^ 131 degrees Farenheight ^^^ |
| 04:54.10 | GhostlyDeath | If I put a fan under my laptop and direct it outwards, it drops to 90F |
| 04:54.11 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: which brand? |
| 04:54.16 | GhostlyDeath | Gateway MX6960 |
| 04:54.21 | pickcoder | no the SSD |
| 04:54.29 | GhostlyDeath | Transcend 64GB |
| 04:54.33 | pickcoder | eep |
| 04:54.41 | pickcoder | backup in a year or so |
| 04:54.55 | GhostlyDeath | T64GSSD25S |
| 04:55.05 | pickcoder | googles |
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| 04:55.15 | Lagaro | is going AFK |
| 04:55.23 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: check this out: www.managedflash.com |
| 04:55.30 | pickcoder | not for notebooks... |
| 04:56.42 | pickcoder | hrm.. no models on their site |
| 04:56.49 | GhostlyDeath | well, I add noatime and norelatime |
| 04:56.57 | GhostlyDeath | and minimal swap (32MB) |
| 04:57.21 | GhostlyDeath | and stuff like /tmp, /var/tmp and /var/log is on a ram disk |
| 04:58.09 | pickcoder | the problem isn't the I/O it's the failure rate of the memory over time, which happens and around 5% of space is allocated to preventing the drive from failing |
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| 04:58.17 | pickcoder | some makes are better than others.. and more expensive |
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| 04:59.46 | Ward1983 | what's the best way to get a kernel that supports KVM paravirtualisation? i am using lenny |
| 04:59.46 | pickcoder | You should have no problems for a couple of years |
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| 05:00.40 | GhostlyDeath | pickcoder: well I got a three year old flash drive and it's read/write speed is alot slower than when I first got iy |
| 05:00.42 | GhostlyDeath | it* |
| 05:00.55 | pickcoder | is it SLC? |
| 05:01.21 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
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| 05:02.12 | amitz | Why my madwifi connection speed decrease whenever my ppp0 is downloading in higher speed? Debian lenny? What log to analyze? |
| 05:04.00 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: well there's not much you can do about the performance degradation apart from RAID |
| 05:04.18 | GhostlyDeath | pickcoder: I don't care for the speed really |
| 05:04.40 | pickcoder | power usage? |
| 05:04.50 | GhostlyDeath | well it gives my laptop 20 extra minds |
| 05:05.07 | GhostlyDeath | but I really only care for the shock-resistance |
| 05:05.33 | dmoerner | /quit |
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| 05:05.37 | GhostlyDeath | seems my desktop does not use CPUFreqD |
| 05:06.00 | n-iCe | hello |
| 05:06.26 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: you can also take it into a vacuum and it will still run.. :) |
| 05:06.33 | GhostlyDeath | My desktop uses powersaved |
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| 05:06.43 | GhostlyDeath | pickcoder: yes! That is another reason why I got it |
| 05:07.10 | Ward1983 | lol do you get into vaccuum spaces a lot? |
| 05:07.11 | pickcoder | you never know when you'll be required to talk a space walk with your laptop |
| 05:07.14 | pickcoder | s/talk/take |
| 05:07.21 | Ward1983 | lol |
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| 05:07.50 | Ward1983 | EVA with a laptop :D |
| 05:08.06 | Ward1983 | with really large keys i presume? (since the gloves from that suit) |
| 05:08.16 | pickcoder | tablet |
| 05:08.18 | GhostlyDeath | you can use metal sticks |
| 05:08.21 | pickcoder | just don't lose the stylus |
| 05:08.27 | Ward1983 | loool |
| 05:08.48 | Ward1983 | would a screen survive space? |
| 05:08.49 | GhostlyDeath | It could hit into the Moon, then in 200 years there will be problems |
| 05:08.51 | Ward1983 | i actually dunno |
| 05:08.55 | GhostlyDeath | "Alien Stylus found on the Moon" |
| 05:09.05 | Ward1983 | LCD screen i mean |
| 05:09.09 | pickcoder | LCD probably wouldn't |
| 05:09.10 | Marrek | hi. how can i tell, if a processor can run an 686 kernel? right now i run a 486 kernel and would like to switch due to specific problems i encountered |
| 05:09.18 | pickcoder | dunno bout plasma |
| 05:09.20 | GhostlyDeath | Marrek: what brand is it? |
| 05:09.37 | pickcoder | Marrek: was it made after 2000? |
| 05:09.38 | Marrek | amd phenom x3 |
| 05:09.47 | dmoerner | Marrek: that is most definitely 686 |
| 05:09.48 | Marrek | yea, probably ;P |
| 05:10.12 | pickcoder | how much RAM? |
| 05:10.21 | Marrek | 4 gig |
| 05:10.25 | pickcoder | get the 686-bigmem |
| 05:10.42 | twisted` | ey, I just finished compiling my kernel through make-kpkg, so I tried to install it using dpkg -i, but it started erroring about lilo, so I told it to use lilo... but that complained about it not having an initrd.img, so I did a find on the /usr/src/linux dir and indeed there is no initrd.img to be found. what did I do wrong? |
| 05:10.59 | Marrek | the 486 uses only one core. is it right, that a kernel switch might solve that problem? |
| 05:11.03 | enouf | Marrek: or use the amd64 kernel |
| 05:11.14 | dmoerner | Marrek: yes, you need 686 to use multiple cores |
| 05:11.15 | pickcoder | enouf: not for 4GB... |
| 05:11.19 | enouf | yes, no smp on the -486 |
| 05:11.32 | twisted` | 686 is everything newer then the p3 |
| 05:11.39 | enouf | p-pro |
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| 05:11.47 | dmoerner | twisted`: you should have called make-kpkg with the --initrd flag |
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| 05:12.01 | Marrek | ok, thank you very much |
| 05:12.05 | twisted` | dmoerner: ur kiddin right? damn gotta wait out another 20min... |
| 05:12.37 | dmoerner | you can manually make the ramdisk with mkinitramfs -o file-name kernel-revision |
| 05:12.49 | pickcoder | twisted`: the kernel won't recompile again |
| 05:12.53 | twisted` | dmoerner: file-name being the name I used to call make-kpkg? |
| 05:12.55 | pickcoder | it will just build the initrd and repackage it |
| 05:12.58 | dmoerner | so for instance, mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-686-1 |
| 05:13.10 | pickcoder | unless you ran make clean |
| 05:13.18 | twisted` | pickcoder: not yet :) |
| 05:13.19 | dmoerner | pickcoder: it will rebuild, fakeroot debian/rules clean will delete the debian/build directory |
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| 05:13.32 | pickcoder | yeah that's right |
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| 05:13.58 | twisted` | didn't use fakeroot |
| 05:14.09 | pickcoder | the script will clean it, I forgot |
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| 05:14.25 | pickcoder | shows how often I find myself running make-kpkg |
| 05:14.34 | twisted` | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.22 | Marrek | can someone tell why i got a 486 kernel when i was upgrading to lenny? doesn't apt recognize the processor type? |
| 05:16.03 | twisted` | I get the same error, let me try building the initramfs myself |
| 05:16.12 | pickcoder | Marrek: what were you running before? |
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| 05:17.52 | Marrek | etch custom gameserver kernel... don't know the exact specs... was preinstalled on the root. i just wanted to get away from that to have better access to support. (here for example) |
| 05:18.13 | pickcoder | if you had a 486 running then it probably didn't update |
| 05:18.13 | twisted` | k that seemed to work |
| 05:19.03 | twisted` | now to figure out how lilo works (never used it before, always use grub but it refused to install for some reason), hehe |
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| 05:19.31 | Marrek | ok, i installed the 686-bigmem.... /proc/cpuinfo shows 2 cores now (wich is an improvement) but i should have 3 cores... right? |
| 05:19.58 | pickcoder | or 4 |
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| 05:21.35 | pickcoder | Marrek: which kernel version? |
| 05:21.38 | Marrek | no, it is a tripple core. thats what cpuinfo states as well... but only in the corename. but still there are only details on two of the cores |
| 05:22.01 | Marrek | pickcoder: 2.6.26-1-686-bigmem |
| 05:22.19 | pickcoder | shrugs |
| 05:22.38 | twisted` | k seems to have worked |
| 05:22.39 | pickcoder | other people are running Phenoms |
| 05:22.40 | twisted` | reboot! |
| 05:23.37 | Marrek | yea, no doub about that. but i am experiencing quite funny effects with minee here :D |
| 05:24.18 | Marrek | well it works. 2 cores out of 3 ist quite a fair performance... but still i'd like to figure out how to access the third :) |
| 05:24.45 | pickcoder | it should be showing up |
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| 05:25.19 | pickcoder | Marrek: what does top say when you hit "1" |
| 05:25.36 | pickcoder | as far as CPUs |
| 05:25.38 | Marrek | give me a sec... |
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| 05:25.46 | twisted` | w00t :) it works |
| 05:25.58 | Marrek | cpu0 and cpu1 |
| 05:26.05 | Marrek | no third as well |
| 05:26.11 | twisted` | Linux a84-22-126-126 2.6.28.2-twisted- #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 2 05:44:32 CET 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:26.30 | twisted` | this one booted faster too =) |
| 05:26.49 | mprice | try the amd64 kernel |
| 05:27.34 | Marrek | ok, i'll do that. but why did someone just say to avoid that due to 4 gig mem? |
| 05:27.38 | twisted` | wth... banned from #e? since when :p |
| 05:28.22 | mprice | do you have 4 gigs of mem? |
| 05:28.23 | pickcoder | Marrek: for 4GB of RAM it's not worth the hassle of some apps not being available in 64-bit |
| 05:28.37 | pickcoder | it's not much additional speed unless you're crunching numbers |
| 05:28.45 | Marrek | yea, 4 gigs |
| 05:28.52 | mprice | but it might utilize the third core |
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| 05:29.17 | mprice | which is what Marrek is trying to do |
| 05:29.31 | pickcoder | which means a total reinstall |
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| 05:29.49 | pickcoder | or debootstrap magic |
| 05:30.05 | Marrek | pickcoder: sorry, i'm german and my english is not the best, i don't get the argue. |
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| 05:30.17 | pickcoder | Marrek: you have an existing system running, right? |
| 05:30.39 | Marrek | pickcoder: true |
| 05:30.41 | mprice | pickcoder you are right |
| 05:30.51 | pickcoder | Marrek: you can't upgrade to AMD64 |
| 05:31.23 | pickcoder | you have to either 1) reinstall a new O/S or 2) debootstrap the new install to another root dir and migrate your stuff |
| 05:31.47 | Marrek | pickcoder: ok, why is that.... or better: what's left for me to try, in order to get the system working propperly? |
| 05:32.06 | pickcoder | the K7 kernel won't support all 4GB but that's a simple option for the core problem |
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| 05:32.16 | pickcoder | 2.6.26-k7 |
| 05:33.37 | Marrek | is it possible, that my problem is caused by a bug or wrong configuration of the kernel, that might be fixed by future updates? |
| 05:33.38 | pickcoder | I think it's linux-image-2.6.26-1-k7 specifically |
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| 05:34.28 | dmoerner | they don't make k7 images anymore |
| 05:34.35 | pickcoder | ok |
| 05:34.39 | pickcoder | I don't have a lenny box |
| 05:34.42 | batcoder-7 | what do you guys prefer emacs or vim? |
| 05:34.56 | pickcoder | so -686 supports the now! and such? |
| 05:35.16 | Marrek | didn't you just say, with an k7 kernel i can't acces the whole ram? |
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| 05:35.39 | pickcoder | Marrek: it's a moot point if k7 is no longer a specific build |
| 05:35.47 | pickcoder | 686-bigmem or AMD64 |
| 05:36.23 | pickcoder | Marrek: try to find an AMD64 live CD |
| 05:36.32 | pickcoder | boot it and see if it shows all 3 cores |
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| 05:36.46 | enouf | wonders if he needs some microcode |
| 05:37.07 | pickcoder | microcode patch? |
| 05:37.16 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.28/arch/x86/Kconfig#L779 the only hit i got for phenom |
| 05:37.27 | pickcoder | I know there's some for the Xeon's |
| 05:37.35 | enouf | note; .28, nothing in .26 - didn't try .27 |
| 05:38.26 | Marrek | ok, got that so far. the problem with reinstalling the server os or using a live cd is, the server is a root server somewhere in germany. i don't have any access to it below ful system boot and installing an os via chroot and stuff is beyond my skills |
| 05:38.29 | pickcoder | .28 is in sid, though, right? |
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| 05:39.16 | enouf | through buildserver, iinm |
| 05:39.26 | enouf | no, not in sid |
| 05:39.31 | Marrek | do you think there is a chance, that my problem will be solved by kernel updates of the 686-bigmem? |
| 05:39.32 | enouf | afaik |
| 05:39.46 | pickcoder | the only .28 I built was on another distro from vanilla source |
| 05:39.57 | twisted` | I just build .28 here |
| 05:39.57 | enouf | Marrek: we're looking into it ;-) |
| 05:39.59 | twisted` | seems to work fine |
| 05:40.18 | enouf | not to mention 3 cores is like .. cyclops :-P |
| 05:40.35 | twisted` | build it because .27 supported ath9 and that also wasn;t in sid so I figured I might as well build the latest ^_^ |
| 05:40.45 | pickcoder | it's efficient production of otherwise wasted older technology |
| 05:40.53 | pickcoder | other than that it's plain odd |
| 05:41.19 | pickcoder | I'd have to go dual-socket because I don't like odd numbers |
| 05:41.28 | Marrek | enouf: cool. as i said, i'm no native english speaker. do you tell me to give you some minutes to run google, or do you tell me to wait for further releases? :) |
| 05:41.28 | pickcoder | maybe that's how they plan on selling a bunch more |
| 05:41.30 | pickcoder | heh |
| 05:42.48 | doctormo | Well, that was an adventure |
| 05:43.02 | doctormo | Learned lots about rc.d heh |
| 05:43.27 | pickcoder | it's definately a microcode problem |
| 05:43.42 | pickcoder | from what I've seen in the kernel dev archives, but I don't see a kernel version anywhere |
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| 05:45.25 | Stanlin | how to enable the sound in gnome? |
| 05:45.28 | pickcoder | I'd say just build 2.6.28 from kernel.org using make-kpkg |
| 05:46.19 | enouf | Marrek: well, try both kernels mentioned - the -686-bigmem, and the amd64 one .. see if either sees all 3 CPUs, if not, perhaps (don;t know yet) some modification/compile options might fix that, or just throwing some microcode at it might - not sure |
| 05:47.02 | pickcoder | the bigmem sees 2 |
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| 05:47.20 | enouf | pickcoder: ugh - it's tough to find any amd specific ones too - and kernelnewbies.org isn't really showing me anything related in their summations of .27 and .28 |
| 05:47.20 | pickcoder | he can't do AMD64 as a debootstrap |
| 05:47.36 | pickcoder | and it's a remote server to boot |
| 05:47.38 | enouf | he doesn't need debootstrap |
| 05:47.54 | pickcoder | how do you plan on installing the 64-bit libs? |
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| 05:48.29 | enouf | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=80cc9f1020f49c9e5b50898c102fd444de70a0a3 |
| 05:48.42 | enouf | you don't need 64bit libs |
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| 05:49.12 | pickcoder | hm |
| 05:49.39 | pickcoder | well I guess not, but it's a wasted kernel @ 4GB |
| 05:49.42 | Marrek | enouf: heh, you don't know how cool it feels, when you are really being helped. thank you for that! but still... does it mean you might tell me news in about some hours, or is it part of your to do list now, and will be handled when someone has the time.... do i wait for your answere or do i check back in some days? |
| 05:49.49 | pickcoder | unless it picks up Cpu2 |
| 05:49.50 | enouf | a 64bit kernel will happily run 32bit ELFs/binaries |
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| 05:50.30 | pickcoder | I don't see a relative release number there |
| 05:50.38 | enouf | Marrek: i'm thinking a .28 kernel , perhaps with a microcode patch from AMD might do it - again, still unclear to me |
| 05:51.00 | enouf | pickcoder: the commit came from .28 |
| 05:51.13 | pickcoder | other people are runnig Debian quad-core Phenoms |
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| 05:51.34 | enouf | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28#head-44ac0f9cb64e8495d6cd5a3fc4dafc744fb93f5a find AMD patch there - follow commit link |
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| 05:52.01 | enouf | sure - i'm just thinking 3 is doing something ... er .. odd :-P |
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| 05:52.40 | enouf | i almost told the guy ; there are no 3core CPUs ... lmao |
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| 05:52.45 | thasp | I get http://pastebin.com/m62e15bb6 with this sources.list http://pastebin.com/m79efceba what am I doing wrong? |
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| 05:52.53 | pickcoder | ah.. ok |
| 05:52.54 | thasp | i would like the option to install unstable packages |
| 05:53.15 | enouf | but google comes through http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/print/phenom-x3-8750.html |
| 05:54.09 | pickcoder | Marrek: what AMD family number is that Phenom |
| 05:54.39 | enouf | K10 |
| 05:54.45 | Marrek | any way to find out via the system? |
| 05:54.53 | enouf | well .. right, what does cpuinfo say |
| 05:55.16 | enouf | !tell Marrek -about what's my hardware |
| 05:55.25 | enouf | just for future reference Marrek |
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| 05:56.26 | Marrek | shall i paste the cpu info in private chat? |
| 05:56.35 | pickcoder | Marrek: no.. don't need i |
| 05:56.38 | pickcoder | it |
| 05:56.52 | pickcoder | I saw a patch that added support for another family of AMD procs in 2.6.28 |
| 05:57.08 | pickcoder | totally irrelevant |
| 05:57.28 | enouf | thasp: whoa ... you've already done the damage .. you should've not tried mixing Sid with Etch .. |
| 05:57.43 | mprice | thasp: http://johnny.chadda.se/2007/04/18/strange-error-in-debian-40-error-executing-gpgv/ |
| 05:57.50 | pickcoder | bed time.. |
| 05:58.04 | enouf | !gpgv |
| 05:58.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, unknown error executing gpgv is what you will see from apt-get update if your clock is really wrong. Set it to approximately the right time using date -s "current time" (ask me about <date> for the current time if you don't know it!) and then apt-get update. Ask me about <ntp> for a better, more permanent solution. |
| 05:58.07 | thasp | Tue Dec 31 21:13:57 EST 2002 |
| 05:58.11 | thasp | that explains it mprice |
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| 05:58.32 | enouf | well .. i only saw the sources.list paste so far |
| 05:59.26 | mprice | I googled the error |
| 05:59.27 | enouf | thasp: you have another issue too |
| 05:59.28 | enouf | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 05:59.31 | enouf | !mmap |
| 05:59.31 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 06:00.11 | thasp | i don't have an /etc/apt/apt.conf, should I make one/ |
| 06:00.18 | enouf | thasp: consider upgrading to Lenny is the best i can say - at this point - /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
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| 06:00.29 | pl4yer0ne | anyone else in sydney cbd area got issues with the interwebs, i think there is a cut cable or something on elizabeth st. |
| 06:00.33 | enouf | yes |
| 06:03.19 | mprice | im running lenny on three machines and I haven't had any problems |
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| 06:08.32 | cads | does anyone here experience the issue of having youtube videos show up as "video is no longer avialable"? It happens with many videos, and the thing that disconcerts me is that my brother's windows machine can access those videos just fine |
| 06:08.45 | cads | I am running flash 10, on iceweasel |
| 06:09.06 | mprice | link? |
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| 06:09.10 | enouf | likely URL munging |
| 06:10.40 | enouf | cads: see if doing what "/msg dpkg youtube script" does can access them ... perhaps theres some windows specific media thing it falls back on - i forget the name of that new shit |
| 06:11.09 | enouf | cads: or .. post a youtube url and i'll try it here |
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| 06:11.49 | cads | this is an example of a video that does not work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEMeBTmiX4g |
| 06:12.12 | Marrek | odd... works fine here |
| 06:12.35 | Marrek | did you klick it via the video search? or a link from another source? |
| 06:12.40 | enouf | cads: works fine here |
| 06:12.42 | enouf | Playing http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=YEMeBTmiX4g&l=274&sk=og39HPTlDeTJnv1hJHOY284hdCOZEjkDC&fmt_map=34%2F0%2F9%2F0%2F115&t=OEgsToPDskKs0Z_LiSd3IdaGoQ0tDFvs&hl=en&plid=AARh6W-DV8UBdgD6AAAAoAQIIAA&title=Rhapsody_-_Unholy_Warcry. |
| 06:13.37 | cads | yup, that works here too |
| 06:13.45 | cads | curious |
| 06:14.09 | enouf | my script replaces all blank spaces with underscores |
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| 06:15.04 | enouf | otherwise you'll need to surround that full URL in quotes " " .. but that;s part of the URL munging everything does |
| 06:16.07 | cads | I just read an article about oldschool (ca 97) url munging where one would post on a forum with their email address altered like max.suica@DO_NOT_SPAM.gmail.com |
| 06:16.30 | cads | the paper argued that doing so was giving in to cyber terrorists (the spammers) |
| 06:16.56 | enouf | yep .. and that's why i don't do email :-) |
| 06:17.08 | enouf | i say make them pay ... with $$$$$ |
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| 06:17.17 | cads | hehe, ten years later, with botnets and overflowing spam inboxes, that article seemed 'quaint' |
| 06:17.37 | enouf | ... it's all been planned :-) |
| 06:18.00 | cads | enouf, what kind of url munging are you referring to? how did you extract that full name from the link I gave you? |
| 06:18.40 | cads | and do you have any theories why the player in my browser specifically can't get at the same resource |
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| 06:19.23 | enouf | cads: the info in the url from the factoid tells you |
| 06:19.23 | enouf | no |
| 06:19.24 | enouf | ask adobe ;-) |
| 06:20.10 | scientes | i get a input output error when trying to format a dvd-rw to do packet writing |
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| 06:22.56 | cads | ah that's silly |
| 06:22.59 | cads | but the script works |
| 06:25.19 | cads | the situation with flash on linux is lamentable |
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| 06:25.30 | enouf | scientes: -RW, not +RW, correct? using mkudffs? |
| 06:25.37 | scientes | yes |
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| 06:25.42 | scientes | correct -RW |
| 06:26.29 | enouf | hrm, does dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hda provide any clues? i really don't know what's wrong - is module udf loaded? oh wait - which kernel? |
| 06:26.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there someone running lenny with a current python2.5-2.5.15 or so who'd be willing to see if picard segfaults for him when fingerprinting files? |
| 06:26.57 | enouf | scientes: try a lenny .26-1-686 ... |
| 06:27.05 | scientes | 2.6.28 |
| 06:27.10 | enouf | eww |
| 06:27.23 | enouf | and ouch |
| 06:27.27 | scientes | x64 |
| 06:27.33 | enouf | ahh |
| 06:27.46 | scientes | ahh guess i didnt build udf |
| 06:27.53 | enouf | ooops |
| 06:27.56 | enouf | :-P |
| 06:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | enter! |
| 06:28.05 | enouf | sandman? |
| 06:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, try "eww and ouch, ahh,oops :-P" |
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| 06:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | can see you're impressed by that |
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| 06:29.18 | enouf | sounds like a pr0n :-p |
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| 06:30.19 | Marrek | how can i find out on wich device the boot sector is located? |
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| 06:31.21 | enouf | Marrek: well .. there is/are more than 1 boot sector(s) |
| 06:31.46 | enouf | Marrek: on each HDD, depending upon how many partitions |
| 06:31.58 | beefsalad | isn't there a document somewhere that explains how to patch the kernel "the debian way"? |
| 06:32.05 | enouf | beefsalad: yes |
| 06:32.20 | Marrek | enouf: ok. i want to install a custom menu.lst via grub-install. but i don't know wich device i must tell it to install on |
| 06:32.34 | enouf | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage beefsalad ..or a link from there |
| 06:32.40 | beefsalad | enouf: thanks! |
| 06:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Marrek, depending on what bootloader you use /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst should tell you (with translation of the devices in /boot/grub/device.map) |
| 06:33.18 | enouf | Marrek: i'd rather not even go there with you - i could mess your whole system up - and i know it's remote .. so .. |
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| 06:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
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| 06:33.53 | peterlang | to mount a dvd, do i have to specify a special format type? |
| 06:33.58 | enouf | Marrek: it might be real easy .. or it could be very tricky .. and hairy :-P |
| 06:34.14 | enouf | peterlang: a data DVD? or a movie? |
| 06:34.22 | peterlang | enouf: a data |
| 06:34.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Marrek, custom? you already have one... just edit that |
| 06:34.27 | Marrek | well, i did it quite often on my home pc, so i'm not unexperienced. but there i know, there ist only one hdd with one partition :) |
| 06:34.32 | enouf | peterlang: no, just fstype |
| 06:34.37 | enouf | if even that |
| 06:35.27 | peterlang | enouf: a window vista installation dvd from MS would be what type? |
| 06:35.27 | enouf | Marrek: but . the remote one might even be a Virtual Machine ... using anything, like LVM or GPT .. who knows |
| 06:35.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Marrek, well - and as you already have one, that already lists the correct device.... |
| 06:35.36 | enouf | peterlang: likely UDF |
| 06:35.41 | enouf | or iso9660 |
| 06:35.44 | Marrek | CutOwnThroat: thats what i did. thought calling it "custom" should work |
| 06:36.04 | peterlang | enouf: thks |
| 06:36.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Marrek, you mean an additional kernel//boot-entry? yeah... it should |
| 06:36.20 | enouf | peterlang: you should ask ##windows those questions :-) |
| 06:36.49 | Marrek | ok, then it doesn't work..... i only changed the boot order |
| 06:36.51 | peterlang | enouf: enouf is enough, :D |
| 06:36.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Marrek, is your real question "why doesn't it work"? |
| 06:36.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:36.58 | Marrek | no |
| 06:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | people NEVER immediately ask the real question |
| 06:37.29 | Marrek | it is: what are thee right parameters for grub-install in my caase? |
| 06:38.05 | Marrek | to put it different: what do i type in to install the edited menu.lst? |
| 06:38.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought update-grub does everything for you... |
| 06:38.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might overwrite things, though :) |
| 06:38.51 | peterlang | enouf: any utility to automount removable media drive as there is for usb drive? |
| 06:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but there are comments that steer it's behavior... (see man update-grub) |
| 06:39.16 | batcoder-7 | i know vim is more popular but i like emacs for some reason |
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| 06:40.34 | beefsalad | ketchup sounds tasty |
| 06:40.35 | Marrek | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, i don't know if you talk to me in ironic context.... i'm german so please be patient |
| 06:40.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | as am I, so please be patient :-P |
| 06:41.48 | enouf | peterlang: /msg dpkg automount |
| 06:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there was no irony intended |
| 06:42.10 | Marrek | i know, that overwriting the menu.lst is just what it sounds like. so update-grub should work, installing my modifyed menu to the boot sector? |
| 06:42.18 | batcoder-7 | can you guys program in a termnal ? |
| 06:42.27 | batcoder-7 | eith a black background |
| 06:45.53 | beefsalad | interesting, Dependencies: 0.9.8+hg5522f6de130c-2 - python (0 (null)) patch (0 (null)) bzip2 (0 (null)) |
| 06:45.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Marrek, bah, guess I don't remember well enough and I'm sure not going to try it out by rebooting - I thought the neat thing about grub was that changes to menu.lst are instantaneous (because the bootloader looks things up in that file) so you don't have to run anything... but I may be mistaken |
| 06:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, dpkg knows everything |
| 06:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fixmbr |
| 06:46.42 | dpkg | To reinstall boot loader simply boot to your Debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>. |
| 06:47.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... although that also uses update-grub :) |
| 06:47.54 | Marrek | CutMeOwnThroat: i know i run "grub-install /dev/sda1" every time i changed the menu list and it works. |
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| 06:48.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Marrek, I don't think update-grub would touch anything after "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" in any case - and update-grub is run by the package automagically anyway whenever you install/uninstall a kernel |
| 06:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I'm not sure it would touch any other custom changes you make... generally, Debian is pretty good at not messing with custom changes (up to the point where people despair because they have erased the config files of a package to go back to the defaults and dpkg won't touch them, because it is assumed that they were erased for some good reason) |
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| 06:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... so nobody here running something newer than python2.5_2.5.2-2 who could have a look if picard segfaults on fingerprinting? |
| 06:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Started writing a bugreport on python... until I realized that the bug appeared exactly where the changelog prints: * Use site.addsitedir() to add directories in /usr/local to sys.path. |
| 06:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it might be just some residual crap thats lurking on my system somewhere that causes the segfault |
| 06:53.21 | cads | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll help you if you want. Do I need to fetch python from upstream? |
| 06:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 06:53.32 | cads | send me the test that does it, then |
| 06:53.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you run an half-way up-to-date lenny should be ok |
| 06:53.51 | cads | i'll install picard right quick |
| 06:53.56 | peterlang | has lenny been released? |
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| 06:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does dpkg -l python2.5 say? |
| 06:54.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, fingerprinting nearly any mp3 will do (well, crashes on perhaps 50% or so of them as far as I can tell) |
| 06:55.04 | cads | I got python 2.5.2-15 |
| 06:55.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that's the current |
| 06:55.35 | cads | so you're having trouble in musicbrainz picard? |
| 06:55.43 | cads | not some commandline approach? |
| 06:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | these will crash for me http://www.dr-lex.be/software/download/mp3tones.zip |
| 06:56.43 | Marrek | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, i rebooted and id worked as intended. the reordered menu was shown. |
| 06:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, no, I just have the mp3 in a dir, then call "picard .&", then press the "scan" button |
| 06:57.48 | cads | running that on my keller williams discography :D |
| 06:58.06 | cads | it's able to look up the puids just fine |
| 06:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, I just tested all versions in between 2.5.2-11.1 (which I had in my archives) and current and found that it happens in 2.5.2-2 |
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| 06:59.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, hm, damn ... could you try with nw.ath.cx/~k/1000Hz-5sec.mp3 ? (just to have tried on the exact same file) |
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| 07:00.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and you're using "scan", not "lookup", do you?) |
| 07:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I can do "lookup" just fine, only the "scan" that creates fingerprints segfaults) |
| 07:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... that's funny - it's actually finding the sine wave in an album |
| 07:02.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | a sick guy put a load of sine waves at the end of his album |
| 07:03.33 | cads | cutme, yup |
| 07:03.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, yup as in "used scan" and "the sine thing doesn't crash"? |
| 07:04.08 | cads | one moment on the sinewaves, scan works fine |
| 07:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, how weird - so I'll trash the bugreport for now |
| 07:04.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I thought I could delay lenny a bit more :) |
| 07:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see where python would suddenly find... well, what could it find?\ |
| 07:05.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I temporarily moved /usr/local/ away in case there's something there... |
| 07:06.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | (not that I'd have seen anything suspicious) |
| 07:06.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that didn't change a thing |
| 07:06.12 | cads | well let me try the sine wave, it would be neat to find a wierd edge case like that |
| 07:06.21 | cads | .. can't stop the scan in picard |
| 07:06.38 | amitz | CutMeOwnThroat: don't file that bug, don't delay lenny, please :-) |
| 07:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, ctrl-Q? |
| 07:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | amitz, you want a buggy lenny! |
| 07:07.56 | cads | cutemeownthroat: there are no problems here |
| 07:08.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn, damn, damn |
| 07:08.10 | cads | err, cut* |
| 07:08.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tab-completion! |
| 07:08.24 | cads | what could be causing it at your end? |
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| 07:08.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... something python suddenly reads in and didn't previously |
| 07:08.47 | amitz | CutMeOwnThroat: well, I want a lenny declared stable with backports available :-) |
| 07:08.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | a runtimelibrary could do it |
| 07:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I said - the segfaults happen on the version change with this syslog-entry: Use site.addsitedir() to add directories in /usr/local to sys.path. |
| 07:10.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what made me suspicious and ask someone to reproduce |
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| 07:13.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, well, thanks for trying that out - I'll have to find out more before I file a bugreport, it seems (damn, I thought pinning it down to the version-change would be enough) |
| 07:14.20 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: hm, is there some funny and/or broken library being loaded from /usr/local ? |
| 07:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | amitz, I wish there was a semi-stable - something in between testing and stable that helps speed up the freeze |
| 07:14.43 | cads | would it necessarily be python where it crashes? isn't musicbrainz written in c? |
| 07:14.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, I moved /usr/local to /usr/local.gone and it still crashes - so: no |
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| 07:16.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, no... python... that's why I looked at python - also, that I was able to show that the error appears on a version change of python proves that it's coming from there |
| 07:16.15 | cads | ah |
| 07:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, but it must be something like that - only, obviously not from /usr/local |
| 07:18.06 | cads | hey, I realize this is a bit of a tasteless question in a channel like #debian, but you guys might know about what I'm asking. Debian is pretty strict about FOSS, to where it's called GNU/Debian by some to exemplify that it embraces the GNU philosophy of freedom. |
| 07:18.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | this... is not a question |
| 07:18.58 | cads | I was wondering if there is such a thing as a linux distribution which overtly does _not_ embrace freedom, using reverse engineered or plain illegal or unlicensed software wherever needed. |
| 07:19.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubuntu? :-P |
| 07:19.18 | cads | however hard it would be to keep such a distribution relevant |
| 07:20.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but actually lindows was partially proprietary |
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| 07:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | pirating is not necessarily anti-freedom either |
| 07:21.25 | \amethyst | what about debian-multimedia? (a repository, not a distribution, but still...) |
| 07:21.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought of that, too :) |
| 07:21.45 | cads | but nothing that explicitly states "this software is licensed under a fuckyou license. This software may be illegal and violate software patents, and may be freely distributed however the fuck you please, we don't give a fuck" |
| 07:21.49 | cads | ? |
| 07:22.10 | \amethyst | Debian distributes stuff that is covered by patents |
| 07:22.20 | \amethyst | Xft with hinting turned on, for example |
| 07:22.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, I'm impressed by your russian |
| 07:22.39 | \amethyst | and mp3 decoders |
| 07:22.51 | cads | ah, sorry, I meant to signify anarchistic badassitude in the mock-licensing |
| 07:23.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, would that make sense? |
| 07:23.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you wanted to distribute pirated stuff, you'd go with windows and pirate that as well |
| 07:23.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, there's a hell lot more software to pirate under windows |
| 07:23.48 | cads | I can think of many arguments why something like that would be undesireable :D |
| 07:24.21 | cads | if peopel put effort into disassembling code and building an operating system on it, that would be a complete mess |
| 07:25.10 | cads | I think any such initiative would be brought down by "bad software development karma" |
| 07:25.46 | cads | and the mainstream world would not support it in an ongoing fashion, so it would quickly become out of date/insignificant |
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| 07:27.03 | cads | still there's the anarchistic dream of complete freedom to use data which goes beyond the loophole of simply making all your software free |
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| 07:27.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's called 'warez' |
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| 07:28.16 | cads | :) |
| 07:28.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and searching for that term in the good ole times did actually turn up something else than worms and viruses, as I remember fondly |
| 07:28.57 | cads | how did you pronounce warez? |
| 07:29.07 | cads | I always said it with a latin accent |
| 07:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea |
| 07:29.56 | cads | but now it evokes the idea of a crusty guy in a trenchcoat, showing you the 'wares' he's got for sale on the inside of his jacket |
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| 07:30.19 | cads | anyways, thanks for letting my field my question |
| 07:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | the topic police just had a coffee and a donut while you asked :-P |
| 07:31.34 | cads | yep, back to business as usual |
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| 07:32.34 | cads | thanks that you should mention debian-multimedia \amethyst, it reminded me that I'm trying to fix an issue with gstreamer playback of quicktime videos |
| 07:35.38 | cads | as I remembered it, I tried to play a video that required mplayer to install a gstreamer-plugins-bad, which didn't work, and has broken playback of .mov files as well |
| 07:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 07:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | mplayer doesn't use gstreamer |
| 07:36.17 | cads | let me figure out exactly what it was then |
| 07:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | mplayer has it's own codecs... |
| 07:36.43 | cads | I'm sorry, it was the standard player, totem |
| 07:36.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | some of them hacked windows dlls |
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| 07:37.21 | cads | ah |
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| 07:37.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | never used totem |
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| 07:37.52 | cads | don't know why it's the standard in gnome |
| 07:38.07 | cads | mplayer plays it back perfectly, thanks! |
| 07:38.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, the hacked dlls are probably the reason for both... that mplayer plays nearly any file and that this can't be in debian-main |
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| 07:39.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | although mplayer itself is by now... I think |
| 07:39.35 | cads | yeah, I installed a seperate codec pack after installing mplayer |
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| 07:40.46 | cads | hehe, have you seen the gstreamer0.10-plugins packages? They have The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly :D |
| 07:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 07:41.13 | cads | video broke after installing gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad |
| 07:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ['', '/usr/lib/python2.5', '/usr/lib/python2.5/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Numeric', '/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PIL', '/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gst-0.10', '/var/lib/python-support/python2.5', '/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0', '/var/lib/python-support |
| 07:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | /python2.5/gtk-2.0', '/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wx-2.6-gtk2-unicode'] |
| 07:41.24 | cads | I wonder what would happen if I installed The Ugly |
| 07:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | your monitor only displays in green and black... |
| 07:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm - guess I should compare these paths with an older version that doesn't segfault |
| 07:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 07:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only difference is, that the one that doesnt segfault has this additional searchpath: '/usr/lib/python25.zip' |
| 07:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | how crazy is this |
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| 07:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | which isnt even a file that exists |
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| 07:49.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray, a cheerleader |
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| 07:49.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | nihil, carreer already over? |
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| 07:50.10 | nihil | hehe CutMeOwnThroat yeah ;) |
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| 07:55.36 | hekatomb | connect one and look for any sign of recognition in dmesg topls64 |
| 07:55.50 | topls64 | Ah, duh, thanks! |
| 07:56.34 | topls64 | /dev/raw1394 |
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| 07:57.49 | topls64 | alright, kino is working |
| 07:57.55 | topls64 | thx again |
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| 08:07.40 | bolt-work | goes moo |
| 08:07.42 | ganastasiou | hello everyone |
| 08:08.03 | bolt-work | quickly ships some monday morning mood over to ganastasiou |
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| 08:08.29 | ganastasiou | :P |
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| 08:09.25 | ganastasiou | i have big desktop laptop screen and tv but i see some places in tv that flickers |
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| 08:10.24 | ganastasiou | for instance when i open a folder,its backgroung flickers |
| 08:10.50 | bolt-work | if you're using analog tv-out, flickering is a common issue |
| 08:11.00 | Laeborg | how easy is it to restore GRUB bootloader, after installing windows xp ? |
| 08:11.28 | bolt-work | Laeborg: start from install cd, chroot, run grub-install |
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| 08:11.46 | bolt-work | Laeborg: as long as XP has managed to not touch your other file systems |
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| 08:12.05 | Laeborg | it is |
| 08:12.17 | ganastasiou | bolt-work,but with fglrx i didnt have this issue |
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| 08:12.31 | Laeborg | well, can i install grub, from ubuntu livecd, even when im usign debian etch ? |
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| 08:13.43 | bolt-work | Laeborg: sure. but your grub menu will probably be fucked up. make a backup of it beforehand so you know what to put there, then boot debian and run update-grub |
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| 08:14.29 | bolt-work | ganastasiou: why don't you use that then? |
| 08:15.13 | ganastasiou | bolt-work,cause big desktop has bugs with current version |
| 08:15.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | still classifies the day as "Sunday night" |
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| 08:15.48 | clearscreen | Good morning, I'm about to download a debian cd image, but I dont see an i686 iso on the website. I used i386 before but even after upgrading to an i686 kernel, apt still kept downloading i386 software packages. Is this normal behavior? Which image should I download and how do I make apt do what I want? |
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| 08:16.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | clearscreen, it is and there are no i686 packages |
| 08:16.39 | clearscreen | Aha, ok. |
| 08:16.44 | bolt-work | clearscreen: apt depends completely on your sources.list. you can change that no matter which image you were using to install |
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| 08:17.37 | bazyl | hi everybody! |
| 08:18.35 | cads | is there a simple way to fetch the documentation packages for any installed package for which there exists a *-doc package? |
| 08:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | clearscreen, there are packages for amd64, as that is a different architecture // a different repository (and you don't want to install them on your i386 system) |
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| 08:19.12 | clearscreen | Another question about cd images, what is "etchnhalf"? |
| 08:19.17 | cads | I think there are apt bindings for ruby where I could trivially code such a thing? |
| 08:19.37 | clearscreen | there's "netinst" and "etchnhalf netinst" |
| 08:19.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | clearscreen, mostly a newer kernel than on etch so that etch can be installed on newer hardware |
| 08:19.54 | bolt-work | clearscreen: etch with some newer packages, mainly a more updated kernel |
| 08:20.01 | clearscreen | alright, thanks |
| 08:20.06 | epsilon | take netinst unles you have problem with detecting new hardware |
| 08:21.03 | epsilon | I experienced often problems using etch1/2 netinstall, I take etch and upgrade later optionally |
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| 08:22.02 | clearscreen | Will do, thanks again :) |
| 08:22.03 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:22.10 | gypsymauro | there is a rrepository of sarge somewhere? |
| 08:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah in the archives |
| 08:22.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 08:23.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | my memory only really goes back to potato :) |
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| 08:29.22 | cads | wow, looking through non-free one finds a lot of documentation packages for otherwise free software. Are those simply otherwise free documentation which is simply not distributed on a license permissive enough for free standards? |
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| 08:30.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | they might not allow distribution of modified versions of the documentation? |
| 08:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | some guy argued all GPL software had to go into non-free, because you are not allowed to modify the GPL - hence.... |
| 08:31.53 | cads | :) |
| 08:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as the GPL copyright statement is part of the software... |
| 08:32.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think that was roughly how the argument went |
| 08:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://osdir.com/ml/org.ballistichelmet.lambda/2005-04/msg00008.html |
| 08:33.31 | cads | is it the GPL license that prevents you from using GLPed components in any nonGPL software? |
| 08:33.41 | clearscreen | yes. |
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| 08:34.00 | clearscreen | actually, it depends |
| 08:34.17 | cads | it would.. and probably on lawyers :D |
| 08:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's lgpl for libraries, which allows it |
| 08:35.00 | cads | as I understand it, the BSD license is pretty free and permissive? |
| 08:35.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 08:35.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's not true the way you wrote it |
| 08:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | you *could* use gpl code in a bsd software |
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| 08:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, then the additional restrictions of the gpl would apply |
| 08:36.18 | cads | I mean, you *could* use any code wherever you pleased, just not if you didn't wish for legal problems |
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| 08:36.31 | cads | ah, so they are free enough to interoperate? |
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| 08:37.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | jain |
| 08:37.14 | cads | I remember reading about the problems of the licensing in solaris vs. unix preventing the solaris file system from being adopted in linux |
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| 08:37.47 | cads | and all the insinuations that sun authored that license explicitly for that purpose |
| 08:38.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can use bsd code pretty much anywhere and for anything - so there would be no problem this way around |
| 08:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or so I think |
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| 08:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could put gpl code into a bsd program, but that would mean the additional restrictions from the gpl apply... in effect making the program gpl |
| 08:39.30 | clearscreen | What would be the best way to install gnome without all of the stuff it comes with? I just want it's graphical shell, not all of it's software packages |
| 08:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean gnomes window manager? |
| 08:39.53 | clearscreen | yes |
| 08:39.58 | cads | clearscreen: I think there's something like gnome-base? |
| 08:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you know what's it called? |
| 08:40.13 | clearscreen | unfortunately not :D |
| 08:40.15 | cads | lemme look |
| 08:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can most probably install just the wm |
| 08:40.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | xfce? |
| 08:40.37 | clearscreen | nah |
| 08:41.02 | cads | gnome-desktop-environment? |
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| 08:41.18 | cads | or gnome-core |
| 08:41.28 | cads | those seem likely candidates for what you need |
| 08:41.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | NOT gnome-desktop-environment |
| 08:41.43 | cads | hehe |
| 08:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the gnome meta package |
| 08:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | which will install everyone and his brother |
| 08:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | so to speak |
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| 08:42.52 | cads | gnome core seems pretty light, and only recommends gnome-desktop-environment |
| 08:43.01 | cads | it comes with a few things like nautilus and gedit |
| 08:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | metacity! |
| 08:43.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually |
| 08:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.41 | cads | well yeah |
| 08:44.01 | clearscreen | alright, time to install |
| 08:44.03 | Suzu | hello |
| 08:44.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | never tried metacity myself, though |
| 08:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | or then... hell, I probably did whenever all this weird gnome stuff popped up when starting a 2nd screen |
| 08:45.16 | cads | I always wondered how one gets from a commandline interface OS to having GDM and gnome configured and completely integrated, just through installing a package. The configuration work that must go on behind the scenes during package installation is quite impressive. |
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| 08:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
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| 08:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think so |
| 08:47.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | more impressive to get dependencies right in beween the different packages |
| 08:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... IF they get them right |
| 08:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... in the ideal case, you should be able to mix distributions to your hearts content and never ever anything fails |
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| 08:49.15 | cads | a universal interoperability layer would be useful for that :D |
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| 08:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | in theory, it should work like I described... |
| 08:50.19 | owen1 | can i let someone ssh to my machine but only allow him limited access to what he can do and folder to access? |
| 08:50.20 | cads | I seem to remember reading conspiracy theories about how microsoft was responsible for the fragmentation Unix into the 42 different flavors |
| 08:50.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | in practice, people write silly factoids about a woman in Massachusetts |
| 08:50.51 | cads | CutMeOwnThroat: but each distribution can make arbitrary changes and have its own conventions |
| 08:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, yes, but not easily |
| 08:51.30 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: really? i would imagine it's basic stuff. |
| 08:51.53 | cads | owen1: not as trivial as describing it in english :) |
| 08:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... shell access always boils down to pretty universal access |
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| 08:52.55 | cads | owen, there should be guides to creating ssh sandboxes |
| 08:53.04 | cads | which is essentially what you'd like to do in this case |
| 08:53.32 | owen1 | cads: got it. thanks, i'll google for it. |
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| 08:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is a relatively simple way of using restricted shells - but that's kind of like putting a sign on the lawn saying "do not walk on grass" |
| 08:54.34 | cads | CutMeOwnThroat: couldn't a shell be fairly simply restricted to be a user with very limited abilities? |
| 08:54.37 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: funny |
| 08:54.39 | Dibbler | Try sudoers |
| 08:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | the other, more secure way is using a chroot environment - but that essentially means making a 2nd system for the chroot |
| 08:55.55 | cads | oh yeah, to pick and choose what utilities the guy can run |
| 08:56.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, the shell itself would try to restrict the user to certain directories etc... but as there are a 1000 possibilities of breaking out of it via the programs you can call (or even write yourself/copy/put on the disk with cat), it's not really secure |
| 08:56.54 | gypsymauro | CutMeOwnThroat: tanx it works :) |
| 08:56.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, you can read on restricted shells in the bash manual (search for restricted) |
| 08:57.15 | cads | I was wondering about that.. say he's got a compiler, can he write a program that simply writes to illegal parts of the hard drive? or does the kernel protect that well enough that even low level calls would fail? |
| 08:57.26 | Dibbler | Owen: Try sudoers |
| 08:57.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dibbler, he doesn't want to give him even more rights! |
| 08:57.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( imposer, imposer! ) |
| 08:58.04 | Dibbler | Well it is a way of restricting what a person can run in a shell |
| 08:58.18 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: Dibbler cads : thanks for the tips. it sound comlex.. |
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| 08:58.45 | cads | owen, if you find a guide it should fairly walk your through each step |
| 08:58.51 | Dibbler | heads off to fry up some Sausages |
| 08:59.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, the restricted shell thing is simple - you just give him /bin/rbash as a shell instead of /bin/bash |
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| 09:00.14 | cads | even though it's complicated to configure all the variations, following the steps of a decent guide should get you a reasonable setting for a sandbox, and also I doubt your friend will need a waterproof system, unless you're inviting him to try trashing your system :D |
| 09:00.52 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: cads : so i guess it's only good for people i trust. |
| 09:01.18 | cads | a sandbox should be safe even for those you don't |
| 09:01.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | with sandbox you mean a chroot environment, I guess? |
| 09:01.52 | batcoder-7 | anyone here prefer emacs over vim? |
| 09:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !polls |
| 09:02.04 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 09:02.08 | cads | CutMeOwnThroat: are you sure he needs anything more than a non-admin user account with its own home directory? |
| 09:02.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, dunno, just answering the question (and what's an admin account *g*) |
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| 09:02.47 | cads | batcoder-7: I do, but mostly for its lisp heritage (I was a baby when most of the editor wars were being fought) |
| 09:02.50 | batcoder-7 | hmmm |
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| 09:03.20 | batcoder-7 | i mean. i just want a good editor for python programming |
| 09:03.45 | cads | CutMeOwnThroat: well in my account I can trash anything in my home directory, which, apart from making my gnome desktop inoperable, wouldn't hurt much |
| 09:04.17 | cads | I guess that with some craftiness I could possibly get the rights to modify other parts of the filesystem |
| 09:04.20 | batcoder-7 | and every article i read changes my mind |
| 09:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, dunno - he asked if he could further restrict, and I answered that |
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| 09:04.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, har har... I prefer xemacs over emacs :-P |
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| 09:04.51 | batcoder-7 | i see |
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| 09:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, at least for anything bigger (when vims modes start getting on my nerves) |
| 09:05.39 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: cads : it would be nice if he will not be able to install crap or go to folder i don't want him to. |
| 09:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | althought vims syntax highlighting is often better |
| 09:05.42 | cads | CutMeOwnThroat: does that provide enough protection if I want to do is prevent my terminally dumb butt from typing rm -rf /etc ? (gosh I got goosebumps typing that into an _IRC_ terminal) |
| 09:06.34 | batcoder-7 | CutMeOwnThroat, i use geany now :\ |
| 09:06.54 | cads | xemacs is dead. Long live xemacs! |
| 09:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, well, the usual stuff applies - he can't install anything into the system, but of course he can install (compile, if you got the build environment) anything he wants into his home directory |
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| 09:07.45 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, and he can't cd to other folders outside his home dir? |
| 09:07.54 | M0ffe | root@sleipner:~# grub-install --recheck /dev/sda |
| 09:07.54 | M0ffe | error: array->nr_devs > array->total_devs (3)?!? |
| 09:07.56 | cads | owen1: other standard restrictions apply, for example he can't see what's in other people's home directories |
| 09:08.04 | M0ffe | Did anyone encounter this with grub in lenny? |
| 09:08.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, and he can go into all folders that are open to everyone *shrug* - this might btw. include home directories, but need not (home dirs are often executable so that a directory public_html inside it can be readable by the webserver, providing user homepages) |
| 09:08.28 | cads | he can cd to the rest of the file system, but not write anything |
| 09:08.36 | M0ffe | And have a solution? It is a RAID5 device spanning sda3, sdb3, sdc3 and having sdd3 as a hotspare |
| 09:08.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, if you don't want him to see *your* user dir, just do chmod go-rx $HOME |
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| 09:09.19 | cads | M0ffe: that looks scarry |
| 09:09.25 | M0ffe | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.45 | M0ffe | cads: It does. I do not dare to reboot the machine before I get rid of the message |
| 09:09.56 | cads | I'd back my shit up |
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| 09:10.26 | cads | bootrecords can be fixed, but if your hd's about to pack it, you might like a backup |
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| 09:10.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | M0ffe, err was that directed at me? |
| 09:11.01 | M0ffe | If I remove the hotspare and sets the hotspare partition to non-raid, I get the same message, just with two devices instead |
| 09:11.02 | cads | M0ffe: burn a backtrack livecd in case you need to get in there and fix stuff later |
| 09:11.06 | M0ffe | CutMeOwnThroat: No, sorry :-) |
| 09:11.18 | M0ffe | backtrack? |
| 09:11.38 | M0ffe | Ogh, got it. |
| 09:12.38 | cads | well it's a slax based system but it has a lot of data recovery type stuff on it |
| 09:12.54 | M0ffe | Yeah, I googled it :-) |
| 09:12.58 | M0ffe | thanks for that one! |
| 09:13.11 | cads | and also apparently software that will crack wireless keys using your video card :/ |
| 09:13.59 | cads | but silliness aside, that's saved my butt when I had to do data recovery from an NTFS harddrive that had crashed and was just barely holding on |
| 09:14.05 | owen1 | cads: CutMeOwnThroat: just to make sure i understand, do i need to search for 'restricted shell' or 'chroot environment'? or both? |
| 09:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, depends what you want |
| 09:14.40 | cads | dpkg google debian chroot jail |
| 09:14.46 | cads | no? |
| 09:14.54 | cads | worth a try :) |
| 09:15.17 | cads | dpkg say I'm a sorry excuse for a maggot |
| 09:15.17 | dpkg | I'm a sorry excuse for a maggot |
| 09:15.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, for restricted shell you can do "man bash" and then type /RESTRICTED SHELL (and hit n a couple of times until the chapter comes up) |
| 09:16.21 | M0ffe | cads: I'll keep that in mind if all fails |
| 09:16.47 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: ok. and for your question 'what i want' - i want to restrict him from viewing certain folders and maybe installing stuff on my machine. |
| 09:17.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, hm, actually also do "apt-cache show rssh" |
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| 09:17.42 | cads | owen, I just had an idea; you could run a completely virtualized operating system inside something like VMWare, and give complete control to your friend. That would be straight forward, if a little bit of overkill |
| 09:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, as I said "installing stuff" is not such a clear term - generally everyone can "install" something, as long as they do it in their home directory (or /tmp), but not anywhere else, just because they're not allowed to write there |
| 09:18.11 | beefsalad | anyone here actually used ketchup on lenny? Looks like its not actively maintained so I'm wondering if it sitll works |
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| 09:18.27 | Ward1983 | is it impossible to have both xen and kvm support at the same time? |
| 09:18.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | beefsalad, no, but sounds tasty |
| 09:18.39 | beefsalad | CutMeOwnThroat: it certainly does |
| 09:18.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | saussage inna bun? |
| 09:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | *with* ketchup |
| 09:19.13 | beefsalad | heh |
| 09:19.18 | cads | mmm, hamburger linux.. |
| 09:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (/msg dpkg dibbler if you don't understand this) |
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| 09:21.14 | cads | terry pratchett ought to be on everyone's list of favorite authors |
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| 09:22.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | shame about the Alzheimer, though |
| 09:22.49 | cads | what!? |
| 09:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | what, what? |
| 09:23.10 | beefsalad | whats my function? |
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| 09:25.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | beefsalad, if there's something not working with it, file a bug report... might just make it be dropped for lenny if there's no maintainer and the bug makes the package useless |
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| 09:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | removing a package can be a pretty fast way of getting rid of release-critical bugs... or so I've heared :) |
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| 09:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | if the 'what' was directed at my Alzheimer comment - Pratchett got Alzheimer... long time... it's hardly news - but only recently became so bad that he says it affects his writing |
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| 09:28.01 | cads | aw poor bastage - reading about it now |
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| 09:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, guess he could be the happiest man on earth without it (or possibly not, who knows) |
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| 09:31.00 | IWASI | $B$X(B |
| 09:31.03 | cads | knowing pratchett's style I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to enjoy being addled :D |
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| 09:31.07 | IWASI | hello |
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| 09:31.47 | IWASI | I am floating in the web. |
| 09:32.01 | cads | are you? |
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| 09:32.10 | IWASI | what is this channnel? |
| 09:32.45 | Ward1983 | what does it look like lol? |
| 09:32.52 | cads | a channel about a flavor of linux |
| 09:32.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | an unfriendly channel, where people who are offtopic are impaled and grilled over an open fire |
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| 09:33.07 | amitz | IWASI: about this pretty model named debian |
| 09:33.20 | IWASI | he- |
| 09:33.23 | cads | (most channels on freenode are how CutMeOwnThroat describes) |
| 09:33.35 | IWASI | too many people. |
| 09:33.37 | cads | (for a less uptight crowd go to efnet) |
| 09:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | except #vegitarism |
| 09:33.43 | cads | (shhhhhhhh) |
| 09:34.02 | IWASI | I am japanese. |
| 09:34.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | (where they just feed you with plums and wait until you explode) |
| 09:34.44 | Ward1983 | IWASI, are you looking for a japanese channel about debian? |
| 09:34.45 | amitz | IWASI: computer channel |
| 09:34.46 | IWASI | $BC/$+$$$^$9$+(B |
| 09:34.55 | IWASI | yes |
| 09:35.25 | Ward1983 | IWASI, #debian-japanese on oftc |
| 09:35.36 | Ward1983 | got it from google so dunno how active it is |
| 09:35.59 | IWASI | he- |
| 09:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg doesn't suggest one |
| 09:36.07 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I give up, what is it? |
| 09:36.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup! |
| 09:36.14 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 09:36.20 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 09:36.28 | IWASI | sainara |
| 09:36.37 | Ward1983 | goodbye |
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| 09:37.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... that reminds me... spring is coming... melting water is dropping through my ceiling |
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| 09:38.15 | amphi | hehe |
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| 09:51.20 | Stanlin | Help how to enable the sound ? |
| 09:52.07 | hekatomb | Stanlin: you know for sure it isn't enabled already? |
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| 09:52.34 | Stanlin | hekatomb: no sound when i open youtube |
| 09:52.50 | Stanlin | hekatomb: but the intel sound chip was detected |
| 09:52.50 | amphi | !tell Stanlin -about alsa checklist |
| 09:53.17 | hekatomb | Stanlin: run speaker-test -t wav -c 2 in a terminal |
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| 09:56.36 | wide | I've got a problem with processes I can't kill, connected a usb hard drive, tried to copy over 3 large files to my laptop, third file copy attempt failed (stalled) at 18 MB, cancelled it, rm'd the file and tried again a few times, details here: http://debian.pastebin.com/d602970da |
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| 09:58.01 | wide | tried to kill -9 the dead processes, also fuser -mk, no joy, using up 4 GB of ram, load is 300+ |
| 09:58.23 | Stanlin | hekatomb: after that command, as user and root, no sound |
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| 09:59.39 | M0ffe | cads: The etch grub works - at least for now |
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| 10:00.32 | cads | good deal moffe |
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| 10:01.01 | Stanlin | hekatomb: the command aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav , doesnt work as well |
| 10:01.13 | wide | my mistake in pastebin, it's a debian etch distro, not Lenny, corrected |
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| 10:04.04 | bolt-work | nepalm strike! |
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| 10:04.42 | Stanlin | Help how to enable the sound ? (Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio) |
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| 10:07.00 | bolt-work | Stanlin: a simple google search would solve your problem... |
| 10:07.54 | meborc | istun koolis |
| 10:08.04 | meborc | sry, wrong window |
| 10:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, of course, amphi already let dpkg give him the checklist |
| 10:08.52 | bolt-work | yup |
| 10:09.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is probably more effective than searching in google |
| 10:09.46 | bolt-work | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe. i just tried, though, and found a lot of people having issues, and some resolved issues with that exact card |
| 10:09.55 | bolt-work | CutMeOwnThroat: figured it was worth a shot |
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| 10:18.44 | transmissiond-pr | hola |
| 10:18.52 | transmissiond-pr | tengo una duda |
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| 10:19.31 | transmissiond-pr | tengo un routetr |
| 10:19.31 | transmissiond-pr | router |
| 10:19.31 | transmissiond-pr | que va normalmente bien |
| 10:19.31 | transmissiond-pr | tengo un cliente de bittorrent |
| 10:19.38 | enouf | what is normally good? oh,, rtorrent |
| 10:19.41 | liable | transmissiond-pr: you are still in #debian |
| 10:19.49 | bolt-work | heh |
| 10:19.58 | transmissiond-pr | uhh |
| 10:19.59 | transmissiond-pr | ok |
| 10:20.08 | liable | you forgot the / ;) |
| 10:20.17 | rm | does anyone use openjdk-6-jre? and the iceweasel plugin w/it? |
| 10:20.17 | meborc | transmissiond-pr, type "/ j #debuan-es" withouth the space between / and j |
| 10:20.20 | transmissiond-pr | soory man |
| 10:20.28 | meborc | debian* |
| 10:20.38 | meborc | no problems :) |
| 10:20.50 | enouf | tries out these new-fangled debuan cigars |
| 10:21.01 | bolt-work | free? |
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| 10:21.16 | EdgeX- | dont mind me while i emerge my ownage |
| 10:21.17 | EdgeX- | while you're still over there apt-getting your porridge |
| 10:21.19 | amphi | debian cigars? |
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| 10:21.38 | liable | pffft, what a week drive-by troll |
| 10:21.47 | liable | weak even |
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| 10:21.54 | bolt-work | we're aptituding our porridge now, biatch! |
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| 10:21.59 | bolt-work | :D |
| 10:22.29 | enouf | amphi: with a cuban twist :-p |
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| 10:22.58 | amphi | enouf: ;) |
| 10:23.09 | bolt-work | notices EdgeX- complaining about apt-get while hanging out in #gentoo ... |
| 10:23.24 | liable | you hang in #gentoo? |
| 10:23.32 | liable | !gentoosmite bolt-work |
| 10:23.32 | dpkg | spends 8 weeks recompiling bolt-work, and when it's all done, bolt-work runs no faster than previously |
| 10:23.40 | amphi | bolt-work: Watson, you surpass yourself |
| 10:23.49 | bolt-work | ... |
| 10:23.50 | enouf | bolt-work: hey, what's the official word of whatever happened to their wiki :-/ |
| 10:23.56 | bolt-work | there's a wee command called /whois |
| 10:24.04 | bolt-work | i don't have to go there to check for him |
| 10:24.32 | jelly-home | oooh. /whois you say! |
| 10:24.40 | amphi | heh |
| 10:24.45 | bolt-work | yes. mighty fine feature, that |
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| 10:26.13 | bolt-work | wouldn't touch #gentoo with a 10 foot patch cable |
| 10:26.45 | liable | sure, i bet you /parted just before you told us about that magical /whois command that we hadnt heard of |
| 10:27.01 | bolt-work | but of course |
| 10:27.19 | bolt-work | uses /parted to repartition liable |
| 10:27.28 | jelly-home | joins #rhel and ##windows to confuse bolt-work |
| 10:27.43 | bittin_ | xD |
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| 10:27.54 | pred2k3 | hi, how to skip key check in apt` |
| 10:28.01 | bittin_ | jelly-home: and #suse |
| 10:28.07 | bolt-work | doesn't whois jelly-home and dodges the confusion with great success |
| 10:28.22 | enouf | man apt-get - or use dpkg |
| 10:28.48 | jelly-home | bittin_: nah, I don't use that one |
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| 10:30.16 | enouf | pred2k3: as i mentioned above - also see file:///usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz but disabling that isn't very smart .. what is your real issue? |
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| 10:31.05 | lxsameer | what is thunderbird package in debian |
| 10:31.06 | lxsameer | ? |
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| 10:31.22 | enouf | !info thunderbird |
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| 10:31.26 | pred2k3 | just searched for a fast solution, how to use gpg through proxy? |
| 10:31.50 | enouf | !+tell lxsameer -about search |
| 10:31.51 | bittin_ | !info mozilla |
| 10:31.51 | dpkg | told lxsameer about search. |
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| 10:32.02 | enouf | lxsameer: man apt-cache |
| 10:32.05 | bittin_ | its prolly icebird or something |
| 10:32.22 | enouf | [dpkg] Package 'thunderbird' does not exist. |
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| 10:32.49 | derwolf | mozilla ? |
| 10:32.55 | alcohol | apt-get -t etch-backports install ghostscript |
| 10:32.57 | derwolf | apt-cache search mozilla |
| 10:32.59 | alcohol | why can I not install it? :< |
| 10:33.06 | lxsameer | enouf: i search that before , iceweasel is like firefox , but what is thunderbird name? |
| 10:33.07 | alcohol | E: Package ghostscript has no installation candidate |
| 10:33.09 | alcohol | :< |
| 10:33.09 | enouf | pred2k3: man apt.conf see http_proxy as well |
| 10:33.18 | alcohol | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ghostscript - I found it there |
| 10:33.24 | lostson | icedove = thunderbird |
| 10:33.30 | pred2k3 | enouf its already in apt.conf |
| 10:33.34 | derwolf | oh, it changed ? |
| 10:33.36 | derwolf | ok |
| 10:34.21 | jelly-home | judd: versions ghostscript |
| 10:34.23 | judd | jelly-home: ghostscript -- etch-backports: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny0 sid: 8.63.dfsg.1-2 |
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| 10:34.40 | alcohol | so why can't I install it? :< |
| 10:35.09 | jelly-home | alcohol: pastebin the complete output of that command |
| 10:35.18 | alcohol | of which? |
| 10:35.21 | enouf | alcohol: apt-get install -t etch-backports .... |
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| 10:35.27 | jelly-home | alcohol: the command that fails |
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| 10:35.41 | alcohol | http://pastie.org/377212 |
| 10:35.41 | enouf | gah |
| 10:35.58 | jelly-home | alcohol: also, apt-cache policy ghostscript |
| 10:36.24 | alcohol | http://pastie.org/377212 refresh |
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| 10:36.50 | jelly-home | alcohol: have you run apt-get update after enabling the backports repository? |
| 10:36.58 | enouf | alcohol: which arch? |
| 10:37.01 | alcohol | etch |
| 10:37.12 | alcohol | jelly: I did run apt-get update, yes |
| 10:37.24 | jelly-home | alcohol: dpkg --print-architecture? |
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| 10:37.29 | enouf | judd: versions ghostscript --arch amd64 |
| 10:37.29 | judd | enouf: ghostscript -- lenny: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny0 sid: 8.63.dfsg.1-2 |
| 10:37.52 | gaintsura | hey guys, I've just noticed a message that keeps poping up.. it says atkbd.c: Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying to access the hardware directly. does anyone have any insight? I'm running etch |
| 10:37.52 | alcohol | jelly-home: amd64 |
| 10:38.13 | enouf | gaintsura: that's an old issue .. erm .. |
| 10:38.14 | jelly-home | alcohol: also, is there a reason for needing the newest gs instead of using what's in etch? |
| 10:38.19 | gaintsura | O.o |
| 10:38.23 | alcohol | jelly-home: there seems to be none? |
| 10:38.25 | enouf | gaintsura: lsmod | grep ev |
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| 10:38.29 | jelly-home | alcohol: "gs" |
| 10:38.38 | alcohol | jelly-home: I need it so I can use convert file.pdf page.jpg |
| 10:38.39 | enouf | gaintsura: lsmod | grep 'bug|dev' |
| 10:39.00 | alcohol | dev:/data/www/nanon/folder/icob# gs |
| 10:39.00 | alcohol | -bash: gs: command not found |
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| 10:39.07 | jelly-home | alcohol: the package name is "gs" |
| 10:39.11 | alcohol | oh |
| 10:39.15 | gaintsura | enouf: no output |
| 10:39.41 | enouf | gaintsura: hrm .. using synaptics driver? |
| 10:40.03 | gaintsura | not yet I don't think, I am building from the base up... |
| 10:40.14 | alcohol | installing now, I'll let you know about the outcome |
| 10:40.15 | enouf | gaintsura: usually evbug module was the cause, IIRC, .. or try 'modprobe evdev' |
| 10:40.20 | gaintsura | currently installing my bare requirements |
| 10:40.31 | pred2k3 | gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
| 10:40.47 | gaintsura | O.o o.O modprobe: command not found |
| 10:40.55 | enouf | gaintsura: how about you install hal |
| 10:40.58 | enouf | ... |
| 10:41.02 | alcohol | jelly-home: seems to work, thanks. I never tried gs, just ghostscript :x |
| 10:41.03 | gaintsura | will do, hold |
| 10:41.12 | enouf | gaintsura: as root - and in /sbin |
| 10:41.23 | petaflot | hello! I have a network weirdness with a machine. it is a HP ML-110 G5 running etch on 2.6.18-6-amd64 and network operations are awfully slow. it is especially true when initializing connections. anybody has a clue what this can be? |
| 10:41.29 | gaintsura | enouf: should be able to apt-get install hal right? |
| 10:41.38 | enouf | gaintsura: you tell me :-p |
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| 10:41.56 | gaintsura | well, I have apt-get =P |
| 10:42.04 | enouf | bingo |
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| 10:42.44 | gaintsura | ok, well I've gotta wait for this other apt-get process to finish running before I can do that, but I will do so |
| 10:42.47 | enouf | petaflot: see if killing off avahi-deamon helps |
| 10:43.17 | petaflot | enouf: I have no process by that name... |
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| 10:43.27 | enouf | petaflot: ls /sys/class/net |
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| 10:43.41 | petaflot | enouf: eth0 lo sit0 tap0 |
| 10:43.52 | enouf | heh - tap0 eh? |
| 10:44.09 | petaflot | enouf: yes, I have openvpn runnign on that box |
| 10:44.14 | enouf | right |
| 10:44.23 | enouf | there;s where to look |
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| 10:44.42 | enouf | AFAICT |
| 10:45.24 | petaflot | enouf: if I shut openvpn down abnd rmmod tun, same thing it's just as slow |
| 10:45.27 | enouf | is not even sure if there's a diff between tun and tap - heh |
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| 10:46.41 | enouf | petaflot: try this; ~$ grep mdns /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 10:47.04 | petaflot | enouf: I have an almost identical machine, basically the same install HW is just a little different and it's fast as lightning |
| 10:47.25 | petaflot | enouf: no result for the grep |
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| 10:48.11 | enouf | petaflot: er, .. ok - now, have you compared the services that are running? how about you change the cable, and also ethtool eth0 |
| 10:48.17 | enouf | and check link speed, etc |
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| 10:48.32 | enouf | use -i even |
| 10:49.03 | osFrenchDude | Hi, I want to install the lastest version of pidgin and when I take a look at debian repo, I can see that the 2.5.1 is in the experimental repo. I add the experimental repo to my sources.list, so a update and I can't see the 2.5...is there anything more to do ? |
| 10:49.17 | Batchy | Previously i had Option "XkbModel" "hp2501" in my xorg and the extra button on my keyboard worked fine, but recently this layout was renamed to 'hp250x', so i changed my xorg.conf, but the extra buttons still doesn't work. setxkbmap -v 10 still show hp2501 and fails. What should i do ? |
| 10:49.32 | petaflot | enouf: I event tried connecting to the server with a X-over cable. no better. and the problem shows up both ways round, when I connect to the machine or when the machine tries to connect to another |
| 10:50.12 | debian_noob | Whats the AIM messenger for Debian? |
| 10:50.17 | enouf | petaflot: going into a router? which NIC? same as other? same Etch amd64 kernel? |
| 10:50.35 | enouf | petaflot: ifconfig shows errors in tx/rx line? |
| 10:50.49 | Batchy | setxkbmap -model hp250x works, but i don't want to type this everytime. log say (**) Option "XkbModel" "hp250x", but then (EE) Error compiling keymap (server-0) |
| 10:50.55 | debian_noob | Whats the AIM messenger for Debian? |
| 10:51.00 | petaflot | enouf: same etch, same kernel. NIC is different, but I have the problem with two different nics on the same machine |
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| 10:51.28 | enouf | Batchy: doesn't it also need a <CC> ? |
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| 10:51.39 | Batchy | a what ? |
| 10:51.47 | enouf | Batchy: try /msg dpkg locales |
| 10:51.52 | lostson | debian_noob: if your using kde it would be kopete if your using gnome it would be pidgin |
| 10:51.53 | enouf | a Country Code |
| 10:51.56 | petaflot | enouf: the built-in NIC is not supported by the default kernel, so I have been using my own for a while, same result. I first thought the kernel and/or on-board NIC was the problem, but it seems not |
| 10:52.09 | debian_noob | loston:pidgin? |
| 10:52.24 | debian_noob | lostson:sure? |
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| 10:53.16 | Batchy | enouf: yes there is one, and it works, even my extra xkb options works |
| 10:53.21 | petaflot | enouf: no errors. ethtool'0s output is a little different on both machines( supported ports: TP instead of MII, wake-on: pumbg instead of 9) |
| 10:53.22 | enouf | petaflot: how about ethtool and ifconfig output? |
| 10:53.27 | enouf | petaflot: is it only when making connections? how about transfer speeds? wget speed? |
| 10:54.00 | Batchy | wait, there's something strange... |
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| 10:54.31 | enouf | hrm petaflot , but is one a gigE? and one 10/100? .. i might have to defer to someone more knowledgeable ... sorry |
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| 10:55.31 | petaflot | transfer speed are fine. it's just when it needs to establish the connection.. DNS lookups for instance can take up to 5-6 seconds |
| 10:55.41 | enouf | petaflot: it's not a DNS issue? have you tried tcpdump? or netperf or iftop similar as tests for speed |
| 10:56.17 | enouf | yeah - check/compare all /etc/host.* files - also see /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:56.18 | petaflot | enouf: I don't know these tools too well.. I guess I couldn't properly analyze the outpu |
| 10:56.24 | pred2k3 | could somebody pls check, if valid gpg data is available on: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key D7E8DF3A ? |
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| 10:56.37 | enouf | !fixresolvconf |
| 10:56.37 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use resolvconf and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
| 10:57.14 | petaflot | enouf: ok.. I'll check with thos tools and try to compare both machines. I'll come back when it's done.. thanks for your help |
| 10:57.16 | enouf | petaflot: note; now i'm guessing pretty much - but that 1st mdns issue from /etc/nsswitch.conf i thought was it |
| 10:57.28 | petaflot | what's mdns anyway? |
| 10:57.35 | enouf | petaflot: file:///usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html |
| 10:57.52 | Batchy | problem solved. (de was reconfiguring the kb map) |
| 10:57.57 | petaflot | enouf: no file by that name |
| 10:58.17 | enouf | petaflot: might you be missing some needed network related pkgs? |
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| 10:58.23 | enouf | petaflot: check good box? |
| 10:58.24 | petaflot | enouf: anyway. I'll grab something to eat, look deeper with the tools you named and hopefuly find somehting |
| 10:58.31 | enouf | ok |
| 10:58.37 | petaflot | enouf: good box? what do you mean by that? |
| 10:58.46 | enouf | petaflot: i mean compare... |
| 10:58.51 | petaflot | hmm |
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| 10:59.23 | enouf | petaflot: does /etc/nsswitch.conf exist on working/good box? how about that file i just posted? |
| 10:59.35 | Stanlin | Help how to enable or fix the sound ? (Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio) this is an msi wind |
| 10:59.40 | petaflot | I followed the exact same installation, the I suppose the only difference resides in the samba server on the slow machine |
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| 11:00.17 | enouf | petaflot: is portmap running only on one? |
| 11:00.18 | petaflot | enouf: nsswirch are identical on both machines |
| 11:00.41 | enouf | petaflot: well, you have no line with mdns in /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
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| 11:01.42 | petaflot | enouf: nope. and both machines are missing libnss-mdns/README.html. it's also missing on my gentoo box |
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| 11:02.02 | enouf | well. .. ok .. |
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| 11:03.55 | petaflot | thanks enouf and gets to grab something to eat. |
| 11:04.28 | enouf | petaflot: maybe even something as simple as your fqdn as output from "hostname --fqdn"? see /etc/hosts .. but i'm pretty much out of ideas |
| 11:04.31 | enouf | welcome |
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| 11:06.26 | pred2k3 | cant find the option to turn off signature check |
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| 11:08.34 | enouf | pred2k3: AllowUnauthenticated "true"; ? |
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| 11:12.19 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 11:12.19 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
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| 11:13.59 | pred2k3 | hm wont solve the problem |
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| 11:16.07 | enouf | pred2k3: all i can say is /msg dpkg no public key |
| 11:16.26 | enouf | pred2k3: that key (D7E8DF3A) isn't installed here |
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| 11:17.33 | hmtt | hi all |
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| 11:23.55 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 11:24.55 | Fox_1_ | people how to limit the ssh user cd command? I don't want that user can go out of his home folder. |
| 11:25.56 | amitz | you mean to make a user that login to his account via ssh is only allowed to go this his own home folder? |
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| 11:31.46 | Fox_1_ | yeah |
| 11:31.49 | petemc | Fox_1_: there are things like rbash or scponly |
| 11:32.22 | petemc | Fox_1_: out of interest, what are you worried about them doing when they cd out of their home dir? |
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| 11:33.44 | enouf | scponlyc even, then you have grsecurity patches and stuff/things like vserver and moreso xen, etc |
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| 11:35.15 | Fox_1_ | yeah, I don't want to |
| 11:35.20 | enouf | i guess you could ttysnoop their asses, then slay them with some beavis and butthead lore once they disobey :-P |
| 11:35.30 | Stanlin | help!! how to enable the suspend and hibernation mode in a laptop?? |
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| 11:37.53 | jelly | what??!! |
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| 11:47.45 | amitz | Stanlin: btw, you probably better off asking the msi-wind channel or something like that. |
| 11:48.06 | Stanlin | amitz: they dont use debian |
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| 11:48.28 | Stanlin | amitz: the hybernation doesn work when i close the laptop |
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| 11:49.08 | jelly | Stanlin: did you install the laptop task? |
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| 11:51.50 | anewbie | hi there guys when i update from etch to lenny |
| 11:51.57 | anewbie | i have problem with starting X |
| 11:52.03 | anewbie | the problem was the nv module |
| 11:52.30 | anewbie | but now when i try install it i recive output that there is no version for my kernel is that possible ? |
| 11:53.04 | anewbie | i make sudo -apt-get install module assistant nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-26-1-686 |
| 11:53.08 | hekatomb | you really mean nv - not nvidia? |
| 11:53.15 | anewbie | hmm |
| 11:53.23 | anewbie | i thing nv is nvidia |
| 11:53.26 | anewbie | or i am wrong ? |
| 11:53.54 | anewbie | (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 11:53.59 | hekatomb | nv is xorgs native module |
| 11:54.23 | anewbie | ou |
| 11:54.27 | anewbie | that sound serious |
| 11:55.20 | anewbie | how i am supposed to fix it i try to isntall it with apt-get but this is not the true way |
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| 11:57.08 | quadaptor | hi! exists any download server for debian woody and sarge? |
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| 11:58.36 | up365 | anewbie, read this 1st http://desiato.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html |
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| 11:58.37 | bolt-work | quadaptor: just get the netinstall |
| 11:58.50 | anewbie | ok |
| 11:58.52 | anewbie | up365 |
| 11:58.53 | bolt-work | quadaptor: you can select the services you wish to run and install no X if that is your wish |
| 11:59.17 | bolt-work | quadaptor: er. nevermind. misread your question |
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| 11:59.32 | bolt-work | quadaptor: why do you want woody or sarge? |
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| 12:00.38 | quadaptor | bolt-work: ahh okay. i created a portable lamp-stack for our software and now i'll try to run this stack on an older version of debian (to check the portabi.lity) |
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| 12:01.46 | enouf | quadaptor: /msg dpkg ado |
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| 12:03.06 | up365 | anewbie, more info here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers unsure about applying to lenny though but read anyway |
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| 12:03.49 | quadaptor | enouf: thx :) |
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| 12:04.58 | anewbie | 10x up365 i begin the installation of nvidia-kernel-common |
| 12:05.08 | anewbie | but there i have problem with somethink calld nettalk |
| 12:05.24 | petaflot | enouf: nothing to do with fqdn :-/ |
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| 12:05.43 | anewbie | i have dpkg :error processing nettalk (--configure): |
| 12:06.01 | petaflot | I'll ask my favourite übergeek tonight, maybe he has an idea about this |
| 12:06.03 | anewbie | subprocess post-installation script returnet error exit status 1 |
| 12:06.57 | anewbie | infact i face this error when i installing lenny |
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| 12:07.48 | Eulex | anewbie, there's no package named nettalk |
| 12:07.48 | anewbie | ahaaaa |
| 12:07.54 | anewbie | netatalk i mean |
| 12:07.56 | anewbie | sorry |
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| 12:08.18 | Eulex | can you pastebin the full error? |
| 12:08.32 | up365 | anewbie, sorry I'm no help regarding netatalk or lenny using nvidia, I use etch |
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| 12:08.41 | anewbie | i can retype it |
| 12:08.46 | anewbie | it is on the pc next to me |
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| 12:09.27 | Eulex | anewbie, does it have an internet connection? |
| 12:09.31 | anewbie | Eulex, i will retype it just a second |
| 12:09.32 | anewbie | yes |
| 12:09.41 | Eulex | anewbie, please use a pastebin |
| 12:09.43 | Eulex | !pastebin |
| 12:09.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:10.04 | anewbie | Eulex, yeah yeah i will but i will retype it couse i dont know how to pastebin it without X |
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| 12:10.10 | anewbie | i am not verry good with links |
| 12:10.37 | Eulex | !pastebin pipe |
| 12:10.37 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 12:10.59 | Eulex | those are three ways of using a pastebin without X |
| 12:11.31 | Stanlin | jelly: what laptop task? |
| 12:12.49 | Stanlin | !laptop |
| 12:12.49 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode>. |
| 12:13.02 | Stanlin | !netbook |
| 12:13.02 | dpkg | Netbooks are small energy efficient laptops, some of which are sold with linux preinstalled. Sites dedicated to linux on laptops can be of help (ask me about <laptops>). See also <eeepc>, <acerone>. |
| 12:13.13 | Stanlin | !acerone |
| 12:13.13 | dpkg | The Aspire One netbook is a low-cost laptop PC manufactured by Acer. Models supplied with Linux are shipped with the <Linpus> Linux Lite operating system and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne for installation, configuration and troubleshooting instructions. |
| 12:13.34 | enouf | heh acetone :-P |
| 12:14.09 | enouf | petaflot: do you also have openvpn on the good box? |
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| 12:15.03 | enouf | petaflot: might want to try newer etchnahalf kernel (.24) or a etch-backports one (.26) |
| 12:15.12 | enouf | er etchnhalf |
| 12:16.12 | anewbie | http://pastebin.com/m2faf426d |
| 12:16.14 | anewbie | here it is |
| 12:16.29 | anewbie | Eulex, |
| 12:17.53 | wide | I had a file copy from a usb hard drive to a laptop stall, so I cancelled it, rm'd the partial file on the laptop, then restarted the process. It kept stalling and I restarted several times. I now have processes I can't kill even though the usb drive is disconnected, please help, see here: http://paste.debian.net/27456 |
| 12:18.06 | wide | sorry about the multiple pastebin posts |
| 12:18.15 | wide | fixed line breaks |
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| 12:19.14 | Eulex | anewbie, can you check whether atalkd is running? |
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| 12:19.49 | wide | I tried fuser -km and kill -9 and nothing works, the dead processes are eating up 3+ GB of ram and load is close to 400 now, but X is responsive |
| 12:19.50 | anewbie | hmm if you tell me how |
| 12:19.51 | anewbie | i will |
| 12:20.13 | anewbie | infact this is something that i recive everytime when i run apt-get |
| 12:20.14 | anewbie | .. |
| 12:21.48 | Eulex | anewbie, ps aux|grep atalkd |
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| 12:22.20 | anewbie | /usr/sbin/atalkd |
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| 12:23.58 | anewbie | root 2993 0.0 0.0 2048 656 ? S 13:21 0:00 /usr/sbin/atalkd |
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| 12:26.09 | anewbie | Eulex, maybe if i uninstall it ? |
| 12:26.24 | Eulex | anewbie, what if you run /etc/init.d/netatalk stop and then retry with apt-get? |
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| 12:26.39 | anewbie | :) this one sounds better |
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| 12:29.18 | anewbie | hmm ... |
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| 12:33.02 | enouf | anewbie: you might like /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 12:33.05 | anewbie | Eulex, same |
| 12:33.05 | anewbie | starting netatalk services (this will take a while): nbp_rgstr: Connection timedout |
| 12:33.05 | anewbie | Can't register Imagandi:Workstation@* |
| 12:33.05 | anewbie | ... |
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| 12:34.26 | Eulex | anewbie, no, that's not the same |
| 12:34.39 | anewbie | Eulex, can you repeat it i was kicked |
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| 12:34.53 | anewbie | you mean the marshal letters are not the same or rcconf? |
| 12:34.54 | enouf | anewbie: you might like /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 12:35.00 | anewbie | aha |
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| 12:35.10 | Eulex | anewbie, I said nothing between you had been kicked and you rejoined |
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| 12:35.38 | Eulex | anewbie, I have never used netatalk. do you need it for some specific reason? |
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| 12:36.22 | Sivam | hi |
| 12:36.31 | enouf | anewbie: are you networked locally to apple boxes? |
| 12:36.42 | Sivam | how to install g++-4.3 and libstdc++6-4.3 when they are interlinked |
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| 12:39.44 | tziku | My computer can only selectively reach destinations, whereas the server can reach everything, even though the computer is pushing everything through the server. Here is server configuration: http://pastebin.com/m78063693 ; And here is the pruve http://pastebin.com/m557f0bc8 |
| 12:42.38 | CoolCold | hello |
| 12:43.20 | tziku | hi |
| 12:43.30 | CoolCold | i have problem - tryed to switch from 2.6.25.2 to 2.6.26 in backports, but machine can't boot - looks like md array starts before disk detection |
| 12:43.44 | CoolCold | at least i can see such event order on console |
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| 12:43.53 | CoolCold | 2.6.26 is from backports |
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| 12:44.15 | CoolCold | have no idea what the problem is |
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| 12:45.00 | CoolCold | have screenshots on mobile phone |
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| 12:47.09 | enouf | Sivam: what's the problem? are you on Lenny? |
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| 12:48.16 | enouf | Sivam: libstdc++6-4.3 isn't in debian (afaict), but related pkgs are http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=+libstdc%2B%2B6-4.3&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 12:48.16 | Seth_Hikaru_ | Hey is anyone awake here before I ask my question? |
| 12:48.41 | enouf | starts to snore |
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| 12:48.45 | Seth_Hikaru_ | Ok I'm doing a net install for debian. |
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| 12:49.01 | XPSlammer | Seth_Hikaru_, use punctuation. not your return key. |
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| 12:49.56 | EugenMayer | how to allow a user to run mdam to get the status from the drives? |
| 12:50.06 | EugenMayer | i get a permission denied with my nagios user |
| 12:50.07 | Seth_Hikaru_ | And of course I get to be the luckiest person in the world today. When I type anything or hit any key in the installer, it repeats the key so if I hit "9" it shows up as "99". Is there anyway to fix this? |
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| 12:51.09 | anewbie | ok |
| 12:51.09 | anewbie | you say that the problem is in rc.d |
| 12:51.18 | anewbie | i'll read the articles that dpkg give me and will ask again if have a problem |
| 12:51.20 | anewbie | thx guys |
| 12:52.01 | hoanak | any gkrellm user here? |
| 12:52.11 | jelly | Stanlin: when you're installing debian, one step is running "tasksel" and choosing related sets of packages you want to get installed by default. You can run tasksel after the installation as well. Did you choose "laptop" task when installing? |
| 12:53.02 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey is anyone going to answer my question? |
| 12:53.11 | SamChi | where can I find sysvmsg php5 module in etch ? |
| 12:53.54 | enouf | Seth_Hikaru: man kbdrate |
| 12:54.07 | Seth_Hikaru | ...what? |
| 12:54.09 | enouf | happens in X and console? |
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| 12:54.33 | anewbie | Eulex, enouf i was disconnected becouse my provider run some kind of updates |
| 12:54.42 | anewbie | and no |
| 12:54.45 | Seth_Hikaru | enouf I didn't understand what you said the first time. |
| 12:54.50 | anewbie | i am connected via ethhernet cable with static ip |
| 12:54.59 | Seth_Hikaru | But I can't even get out of the installer in the first place. |
| 12:55.23 | enouf | Seth_Hikaru: oh,..installer ... hrm |
| 12:55.34 | Eulex | anewbie, do you have a specific reason for needing netatalk? otherwise, just don't use it. |
| 12:55.51 | EugenMayer | is that entry right not let the user nagios run mdadm as root without password? ( sudoers ) root ALL = (nagios) NOPASSWD: /sbin/mdadm |
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| 12:56.25 | Eulex | EugenMayer, replace root with nagios |
| 12:56.26 | enouf | Seth_Hikaru: seems like you made a bad keyboard choice at beginning - note; nothing is written to disk atleast until partitioning stage |
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| 12:56.49 | Seth_Hikaru | enouf: Could I use Puppy Linux to change the partition I'm installing to to ext3 and see if I can get along without worrying about "ghosting keys". |
| 12:56.52 | enouf | Seth_Hikaru: so, try again - maybe try expert mode - hit f1-f10 at boot prompt |
| 12:56.57 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 12:57.08 | enouf | !+tell Seth_Hikaru -about ig |
| 12:57.08 | dpkg | told Seth_Hikaru about ig. |
| 12:57.37 | EugenMayer | Eulex: i still get answered for a password with : root ALL = (nagios) NOPASSWD: /sbin/mdadm |
| 12:57.53 | Eulex | EugenMayer, when running what as what user? |
| 12:57.54 | EugenMayer | could the reason be, that nagios has no shell assigned? ( bin false ) |
| 12:58.06 | EugenMayer | Eulex: su nagios -s /bin/sh |
| 12:58.13 | Seth_Hikaru | what? |
| 12:58.15 | EugenMayer | Eulex: and then run "mdadm" |
| 12:58.23 | Seth_Hikaru | hurry up I have to leave in like a few. |
| 12:58.40 | Eulex | EugenMayer, well. sudoers affect stuff that you run with sudo. |
| 12:58.57 | EugenMayer | yes |
| 12:59.05 | EugenMayer | i run ( as nagios ) : sudo mdadm |
| 12:59.09 | Eulex | EugenMayer, also, "root ALL = (nagios) NOPASSWD: /sbin/mdadm" is a rule for the user _root_, not _nagios_ |
| 12:59.10 | EugenMayer | i get asked for a password |
| 12:59.19 | EugenMayer | i corrected it.. |
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| 12:59.39 | EugenMayer | oh i see, i flipped the logic |
| 12:59.43 | Eulex | so what does it say now? |
| 13:00.03 | EugenMayer | nagions ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/mdadm |
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| 13:00.19 | EugenMayer | that would mean, user nagios can "sudo mdadm" and will run the command as root, or? |
| 13:00.53 | hoanak | don't quite understand what i read about lenny in the dpkg. has it been released, if not, when? |
| 13:01.52 | hoanak | am i online? |
| 13:01.54 | EugenMayer | Eulex: ok sorry a type |
| 13:02.00 | EugenMayer | hoanak: yes |
| 13:02.05 | hoanak | thks |
| 13:02.19 | anewbie | no apple boxes arounnd |
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| 13:02.49 | anewbie | guys |
| 13:02.53 | anewbie | i dont have stable connection now i will ask later i hope you wil be here to help me bye for now |
| 13:03.05 | Eulex | anewbie, then don't use netatalk |
| 13:03.10 | anewbie | hmm |
| 13:03.20 | anewbie | netatalk --uninstall ? |
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| 13:03.41 | Eulex | EugenMayer, ah, right, typo, I was looking at the documentation for sudoers to try to figure out what was wrong :) |
| 13:03.50 | Eulex | anewbie, use apt-get remove |
| 13:04.03 | anewbie | ok |
| 13:05.07 | anewbie | allright Eulex |
| 13:05.14 | anewbie | you're the man duude |
| 13:05.14 | anewbie | :D |
| 13:05.24 | Seth_Hikaru | is away: I'm doing stuff. |
| 13:05.28 | anewbie | thx a lot |
| 13:05.35 | Eulex | np |
| 13:05.38 | anewbie | and bye for now :) |
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| 13:06.20 | pngwn | !tell Seth_Hikaru -about away |
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| 13:12.50 | CoolCold | here is screenshots or that raid http://web.coolcold.org/picz/raid/raid.html |
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| 13:18.36 | ersi | I'm trying to compile a program that #includes <dbus/dbus.h>, what package should I install to get the dbus.h file? I installed libdbus-1-dev in hopes of it working.. but, no luck |
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| 13:19.46 | maligor | libdbus-1-dev: /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h |
| 13:20.07 | ersi | So that should be it? |
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| 13:20.39 | maligor | ersi, pkg-config --cflags --libs dbus-1 |
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| 13:22.01 | ersi | ah, heh :-) |
| 13:22.09 | ersi | Thanks |
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| 13:22.30 | ersi | Dang :-(.. It's still not compiling. *shakes fist at passkey_agent.c* |
| 13:23.03 | DeSian | Lenny Released schedule is 14.Feb.09 :) |
| 13:23.32 | DeSian | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2009/20090131 |
| 13:24.26 | maligor | let there be flood of new packaged to test in sid soon :P |
| 13:24.43 | meborc | does anyone know a "painless" way to install VLC player 0.9.8a on debian LENNY? |
| 13:25.21 | DeSian | meborc: compile it or use multimedia |
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| 13:27.08 | meborc | DeSian, there is no vlc package in debian multimedia :( at least in testing repos |
| 13:27.13 | ersi | :@ |
| 13:27.51 | ersi | Anyone that fiddles with bluetooth+Debian around? I'm trying to get passkey_agent working, so that I won't need bluez-gnome or kdelollerbar |
| 13:28.11 | DeSian | meborc: use unstable?! |
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| 13:28.39 | jelly | meborc: create a backport from experimental sources. |
| 13:28.39 | maligor | using unstable isn't really a good idea, unless you know what you're doing |
| 13:29.42 | DeSian | maligor: if you want the actual version, you must use unstable or Experimental |
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| 13:30.28 | maligor | it's only in experimental I think |
| 13:31.22 | meborc | jelly, i'll try to compile from source and see if i end up in dependency hell or not :) |
| 13:31.41 | jelly | judd: versions vlc |
| 13:31.42 | judd | jelly: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 sid: 0.8.6.h-5 experimental: 0.9.8a-1 |
| 13:31.52 | DeSian | meborc: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/vlc |
| 13:31.57 | maligor | you can always modify dependencies |
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| 13:32.29 | meborc | DeSian, thanks for the tip... |
| 13:32.37 | DeSian | np |
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| 13:38.59 | hoanak | which package to use for the Adobe Flash? |
| 13:39.52 | hoanak | heh? |
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| 13:40.04 | hoanak | anyone around? |
| 13:40.09 | hoanak | am i online? |
| 13:40.13 | meborc | yes |
| 13:40.15 | meborc | you are |
| 13:40.18 | hoanak | thks |
| 13:40.36 | meborc | i guess you can use adobe's flash 10 for linux |
| 13:40.41 | hoanak | meborc: you watch Flash video? |
| 13:40.47 | meborc | yes |
| 13:40.53 | meborc | youtube... etc |
| 13:41.07 | hoanak | with adobe's flash 10? |
| 13:41.30 | meborc | no... actually i don't know what package i'm using... :) |
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| 13:41.44 | hoanak | :D |
| 13:41.45 | meborc | but i have used adobe 10 before, and it works great |
| 13:42.01 | hoanak | that is shockwave flash, right? |
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| 13:42.01 | meborc | they released a good linux package... try it out |
| 13:42.07 | meborc | yes |
| 13:42.43 | hoanak | meborc: i have installed it, but i still come across a video which complains that my flash is not up to date. |
| 13:43.18 | meborc | :o ... you installed from here - http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ ? |
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| 13:43.44 | hoanak | i remember i install it fr Adobe's site. |
| 13:43.53 | hoanak | anyway, thks. gotta go. bye. |
| 13:44.00 | meborc | hoanak, then i can't help you... i'm not so good at flash :) |
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| 13:47.00 | Stanlin | help!! the hybernation doesn work when i close the laptop |
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| 13:50.23 | blizzkid | Lo all. How can you limit login to a certain host to certain (ldap) groups? |
| 13:50.50 | blizzkid | (The ldap part is ok, I just want only a certain group to be able to login to the system) |
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| 13:52.36 | sep | blizzkid, easiest is to use ::::: in /etc/passwd |
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| 13:53.17 | blizzkid | sep: wouldn't that disable login completely? |
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| 13:53.43 | sep | eg: +logingroup:::::: |
| 13:53.43 | sep | +::::::/usr/bin/falselogin |
| 13:53.55 | Misterjos | Hey, i want this command executed at startup, whats the best (easiest) way to do it? "hdparm -S 120 /dev/sdd" |
| 13:54.05 | abrotman | Misterjos: /msg dpkg run at startup |
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| 13:54.26 | sep | iow: the logingroup group; no change from users entry :: everyone else change login shell to /bin/falselogin |
| 13:54.40 | blizzkid | sep: so if the group is called "TestGroup", that would be +TestGroup:::::: ? |
| 13:54.48 | sep | yes |
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| 13:55.10 | blizzkid | let me quickly try something there |
| 13:55.11 | rvsjoen | Misterjos : why not just edit /etc/hdparm.conf to your needs ? |
| 13:56.22 | blizzkid | sep: I added the TestGroup line, but an ldap user that's not in that group, can still log in |
| 13:56.45 | sep | it's the last line that disallow logins |
| 13:56.53 | sep | the testgroup line just allows the testgroup |
| 13:56.59 | sep | and the order is important |
| 13:57.00 | Misterjos | good idea rvsjoen |
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| 13:57.27 | blizzkid | k, let my try again sep |
| 13:57.49 | blizzkid | still the same |
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| 13:59.20 | sep | you run groups and you see the group in the list ? |
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| 14:00.09 | blizzkid | sep: the TestGroup is not in the list (it doesn't exist), but a user in group "OtherGroup" can login without problems |
| 14:00.26 | blizzkid | that user is in ldap, not in /etc/passwd |
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| 14:01.06 | Misterjos | would this be the correct equivalent to place in /etc/hdparm.conf ? "/dev/sdd {spindown_time = 120}" rvsjoen |
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| 14:01.47 | meborc | guys, which package do i need to install, if the terminal output is: !Please install GL development package" ? |
| 14:02.03 | sep | did you use my example as is ? ie with falseloging ? |
| 14:02.15 | blizzkid | yes |
| 14:02.24 | beardy | meborc: Something containing opengl and dev, guessingly. |
| 14:02.28 | sep | blizzkid, well do you have the falselogin binary ? (it's in the falselogin package) |
| 14:02.31 | ersi | Could anyone help me establish an Bluetooth rfcomm link, commandline that is? I've compiled bluez-utils "passkey-agent" and tried to start it.. but I'm getting "Can't register passkey agent\n The name org.bluez was not provided by any .service files" |
| 14:02.34 | Misterjos | su |
| 14:02.36 | rvsjoen | Misterjos : looks ok to me |
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| 14:02.44 | Eulex | meborc, libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 14:02.49 | Misterjos | ok, thx |
| 14:03.12 | abrotman | meborc: i'd guess libgl1-mesa-dev |
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| 14:03.30 | meborc | Eulex, abrotman thanks |
| 14:03.40 | blizzkid | yes sep |
| 14:04.03 | Ace2016_- | is there something like less which will allow me to go up and down through the file with the arrow keys? in update-alternatives --config pager i have more and pg, neither of them lets me go up and down when reading man pages |
| 14:04.25 | abrotman | Ace2016_-: aptitude install less |
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| 14:05.11 | Ace2016_- | abrotman: i just figured it out after i typed the sentence, thanks |
| 14:05.24 | abrotman | there's also 'most' |
| 14:05.43 | Ace2016_- | whats that? is it better than less? |
| 14:06.00 | abrotman | only you can decide! |
| 14:06.10 | Ace2016_- | ok i'll try it |
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| 14:07.45 | sep | blizzkid, argh sorry. it's +username or +@groupname |
| 14:08.02 | sep | so for the groupline you need a @ |
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| 14:08.20 | sep | hum but still... should fail everyone with the last line... |
| 14:08.28 | sep | number of :'s are correct ? |
| 14:08.58 | blizzkid | sep: let me copy-paste again |
| 14:09.01 | blizzkid | hold on... |
| 14:09.12 | meborc | Eulex, abrotman, still no luck - the same GL development package needed error :( |
| 14:10.05 | meborc | Eulex, abrotman, i use nvidia-glx so i tried nvidia-glx-dev, with the same result |
| 14:10.21 | blizzkid | changed to +@logingroup:::::: |
| 14:11.08 | blizzkid | +::::::/usr/bin/falselogin |
| 14:11.08 | Eulex | meborc, what are you trying to compile? |
| 14:11.08 | sep | nd the last line is the falselogin line ? |
| 14:11.08 | blizzkid | yeps |
| 14:11.08 | sep | right |
| 14:11.08 | meborc | Eulex, vlc latest |
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| 14:11.08 | blizzkid | and still... user in othergroup is able to login |
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| 14:11.31 | sep | didn't think i changed much of anything else... *looking* |
| 14:11.40 | Eulex | meborc, what release of debian are you running? |
| 14:11.51 | meborc | Eulex, lenny |
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| 14:12.24 | Eulex | meborc, ok. you get this error when running ./configure, right? |
| 14:12.35 | meborc | Eulex, that is correct |
| 14:12.55 | Eulex | meborc, do you have a corresponding configure.in or configure.ac file? |
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| 14:13.16 | meborc | Eulex, yes i do |
| 14:13.24 | Eulex | meborc, can you pastebin it? |
| 14:14.27 | meborc | Eulex, http://debian.pastebin.com/m580dc39b |
| 14:16.28 | Eulex | meborc, it does of course also require glu. |
| 14:16.51 | Eulex | libglu1-mesa-dev |
| 14:17.02 | meborc | Eulex, thanks... i learn something new every day :) will try now |
| 14:17.42 | abrotman | Eulex: could you combine those packages? :) |
| 14:18.23 | Eulex | abrotman, ? |
| 14:18.53 | abrotman | Eulex: the gl and glu .. it was a joke |
| 14:19.15 | Eulex | abrotman, well, if you had some glew you could perhaps :) |
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| 14:20.17 | abrotman | ewww |
| 14:20.18 | Eulex | meborc, must say that the output from that configure script was a bit confusing, they should've checked and reported for the absence of GLU separately |
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| 14:21.11 | meborc | Eulex, yeah... i thought i installed the correct package and still got the same message... they should have different messages for different missing packages |
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| 14:21.35 | Eulex | meborc, I guess gl and glu are bundled on some distros |
| 14:22.07 | tziku | Hello, how can i see with collours in SSH mode using putty. When i log in to root i see black/white but if i su or log an user i see directory/files with collours. |
| 14:22.43 | Eulex | meborc, on an aside it also requires xlib development stuff, and if it was missing, you could get the same "GL development headers missing" error |
| 14:23.23 | blizzkid | sep: I even tried + : root : ALL |
| 14:23.24 | meborc | Eulex, ok... thanks for helping |
| 14:23.25 | blizzkid | - : ALL : ALL |
| 14:23.36 | blizzkid | in /etc/security/access.conf |
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| 14:23.54 | blizzkid | but the user in ldap is still able to logon (over ssh) |
| 14:24.09 | Eulex | meborc, from that code at least, if it came that far without failing. you could make it do that with the right --disable-foo flags :) |
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| 14:24.57 | meborc | Eulex, that is true, but i want it to be as "vanilla" as possible... like it was ment to work |
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| 14:28.18 | petaflot | enouf: yes, openvpn is also installed and used to run on the good box. my home brew kernels were 2.6.25.4 and 2.6.27.8 |
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| 14:28.43 | pablo | hi, someone know why this can not be packaged? http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/jbigkit/ . patent problem? |
| 14:28.57 | jelly | Hi, how do I make dhclient3 not create a default route? |
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| 14:31.04 | abrotman | looks at jelly |
| 14:31.41 | anewbie | hi guys me again |
| 14:32.03 | tziku | what is diference between: /bin/bash /bin/sh /bin/csh etc. ??? |
| 14:32.03 | abrotman | jelly: man dhclient.conf |
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| 14:32.38 | jelly | abrotman: I did that before asking in the channel. |
| 14:33.13 | anewbie | i make step by step everything like is pointed in http://desiato.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html |
| 14:33.20 | anewbie | and i still can't start X |
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| 14:34.06 | anewbie | failed to load module "vesa" module does not exist, 0 |
| 14:34.09 | anewbie | no driver available |
| 14:34.21 | anewbie | and i think that i install proper the nviidia driver |
| 14:34.26 | anewbie | but problem do not perish |
| 14:34.27 | anewbie | :( |
| 14:34.29 | abrotman | jelly: request routers ? |
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| 14:35.09 | abrotman | jelly: be my guess anyways |
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| 14:36.00 | jelly | abrotman: I want it _not_ to set the default route. Omitting routers in the interface { request ... } line doesn't help |
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| 14:36.27 | Mndrk | is there a program which show avi file information? |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | jelly: i meant to omit it, that would seem to do it .. apparently not |
| 14:36.30 | Mndrk | console |
| 14:37.18 | jelly | Mndrk: file ? |
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| 14:37.56 | abrotman | jelly: it seems dhcp-options has a way to set your own router |
| 14:38.08 | abrotman | and/or static route |
| 14:38.20 | jelly | abrotman: yes, but I'm not configuring a dhcp server. |
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| 14:38.30 | Mndrk | I need the movie length in seconds |
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| 14:39.13 | abrotman | jelly: seems to also be client settings |
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| 14:40.21 | etb | how can i instruct thunderbird to get all msgs from the server, and not just the new ones? |
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| 14:41.17 | jelly | Mndrk: um. mplayer -identify ? |
| 14:42.41 | jelly | abrotman: post-up ip r del default ... it is |
| 14:43.59 | abrotman | jelly: seems like a dirty hack .. liable will be sad |
| 14:45.21 | liable | hey! |
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| 14:45.48 | abrotman | o |
| 14:46.10 | liable | its just the resolv.conf that annoyed me |
| 14:46.20 | jelly | well then let liable lose an hour picking through ISC manuals |
| 14:46.24 | liable | it was a truly horrible hack |
| 14:46.38 | abrotman | jelly: so if you omit the options routers .. what doesn't it request? |
| 14:47.15 | liable | abrotman: post-up is fine for that stuff. chattr however is not |
| 14:47.28 | jelly | abrotman: I only have |
| 14:47.30 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.30 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.37 | jelly | for that iface |
| 14:48.19 | jelly | could be that's in addition to the global request line (debian's default), but that would be dumb |
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| 14:49.14 | abrotman | and it still gets the IP and route? |
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| 14:49.40 | anewbie | guys can some one tell me how can i check my nvidia dirver i install it via that tutorial http://desiato.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html |
| 14:49.42 | anewbie | step by step |
| 14:49.48 | anewbie | but now i still can't star xorg |
| 14:49.58 | jelly | abrotman: yes |
| 14:50.10 | anewbie | ther reasuon is Failed to load module "vesa" (module does not exist,0) |
| 14:50.15 | anewbie | and no drivers available |
| 14:52.53 | jelly | anewbie: which debian release are you using? |
| 14:53.02 | anewbie | lenny |
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| 14:53.08 | anewbie | i update ffrom etch to lenny |
| 14:53.26 | jelly | anewbie: is package xserver-xorg-video-vesa installed? |
| 14:53.55 | Stanlin | how to put the laptop to hibernate?? |
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| 14:54.42 | jelly | Stanlin: you didn't answer the question about the laptop task. If it's installed, you should have the software needed for suspend and hibernate. |
| 14:54.50 | anewbie | jelly, |
| 14:54.53 | anewbie | wait to check |
| 14:55.09 | Stanlin | jelly: im on xfce |
| 14:55.14 | Stanlin | jelly: debian lenny |
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| 14:55.33 | Stanlin | jelly: how can i run that from the terminal |
| 14:55.42 | anewbie | jelly, you are right it was not installed |
| 14:55.47 | anewbie | i install it in that moment |
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| 14:57.26 | meborc | Eulex, you still here? |
| 14:57.34 | Eulex | I am |
| 14:57.42 | jelly | Stanlin: su to root, then run "tasksel" and verify whether the laptop task is selected or not |
| 14:58.10 | meborc | Eulex, i now have a new problem... the ./configure (vlc) ran without errors, but when "make" it gives me an error |
| 14:58.16 | meborc | i will pastebin |
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| 14:58.44 | meborc | Eulex, http://debian.pastebin.com/m21143350 |
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| 14:59.01 | Mndrk | jelly, how can I prevent mplayer playing the file? |
| 14:59.41 | meborc | Eulex, i have never seen an error on make when ./configure did not give me an error :( |
| 14:59.42 | peturrrr | Hi, i resized the space of my SAN drive, How can i make a runnig debian machine detect the drives new spacE? It's curerntly showing up as 50GB with "fdisk -l" |
| 14:59.58 | peturrrr | . /proc/partitions reports the disk as 50GB as well, it should be 55GB. |
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| 15:00.17 | Eulex | meborc, and you have /usr/lib/libGL.so? |
| 15:00.53 | jelly | Mndrk: you'll have to investigate that one yourself. I know it has options to choose the play time (say from 0:0:0 to 0:0:0.05) but I don't know them off the top of my head. |
| 15:01.12 | jelly | or ask someone else |
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| 15:01.32 | Mndrk | does anybody know where I can get libmediainfo0? |
| 15:02.24 | jelly | peturrrr: is anything currently mounted from that LUN? |
| 15:02.39 | meborc | Eulex, i have libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.177.80 and libGL.so.177.80 |
| 15:03.16 | peturrrr | jelly: The disk is mounted yes |
| 15:03.18 | peturrrr | It's a lvm |
| 15:03.39 | meborc | Eulex, should i link libGL.so to libGL.so.177.80 ? |
| 15:04.04 | jelly | peturrrr: you'll have to umount it, down the PV, and, I think, rescan the scsi channel |
| 15:04.07 | Eulex | meborc, that should already be done, libgl1-mesa-dev is installed, right? |
| 15:04.34 | peturrrr | ohh i hoped i would not have to unmount it :S |
| 15:04.52 | meborc | Eulex, yes |
| 15:05.04 | jelly | peturrrr: the kernel can't update the size while LVM is using it AFAIR |
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| 15:06.03 | jelly | peturrrr: it would have worked if you used the lun directly |
| 15:06.14 | Eulex | meborc, doesn't that nvidia-glx-dev conflict with it? |
| 15:06.25 | jelly | had used* |
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| 15:07.43 | meborc | Eulex, yes, one removes the other... but i dont have a libGL.so i have libGL.so.1 ... i DO HAVE lib GLU.so that is linked to libGLU.so.1 |
| 15:08.02 | meborc | so maybe i should link libGL.so to libGL.so.1 ? |
| 15:08.50 | Eulex | meborc, dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-dev , doesn't it contain /usr/lib/libGL.so? |
| 15:08.58 | jelly | peturrrr: linux kernel is funny that way. If you have a partition table, it doesn't work. If you use LVM, same thing. But if you use it directly, then it's able to update the device data and let you do, say, online resize. |
| 15:09.25 | meborc | Eulex, yes, it does |
| 15:09.50 | meborc | but there is no such file in my computer |
| 15:10.11 | meborc | Eulex, wait |
| 15:10.26 | Eulex | meborc, I'd suggest reinstalling libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 15:10.27 | meborc | Eulex, it says - diverted by nvidia-glx to: /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa |
| 15:10.34 | peturrrr | i see |
| 15:10.37 | meborc | yeah, i'll try that |
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| 15:12.31 | meborc | Eulex, still the same problem... :( |
| 15:12.36 | Mndrk | what package is required to compile sources? |
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| 15:13.07 | Eulex | !b-e Mndrk |
| 15:13.07 | dpkg | Mndrk: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 15:13.09 | [dEbo] | im trying to edit my eth0 settings from Speed: 100Mb/s to Speed: 1000Mb/s but it wont seem to change any ideas? |
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| 15:13.23 | Eulex | meborc, hmm, odd |
| 15:13.33 | meborc | Eulex, it says nvidia-glx is diverting it... but i would really like to keep that package :) |
| 15:13.51 | Eulex | [dEbo], do both ends AND the cable support gigabit ethernet? |
| 15:13.52 | meborc | Eulex, maybe use nvidia-glx-dev instead of mesa? |
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| 15:14.26 | Eulex | meborc, 'divert' means that the package causes the file to be linked to another package. you could thus try reinstalling nvidia-glx |
| 15:14.38 | Mndrk | Eulex, thanks |
| 15:14.40 | Eulex | meborc, I remember nvidia-glx-dev causing more problems than it solves. |
| 15:15.11 | Eulex | [dEbo], normally, speed of an ethernet connection is autodetected |
| 15:15.12 | meborc | Eulex, should remove-install do the trick, or should i purge-install? |
| 15:15.24 | jensens | i have a .orig.tar.gz .diff.gz and a .dsc file - what the short command to unzip+patch ? |
| 15:15.30 | Eulex | meborc, aptitude reinstall |
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| 15:15.53 | Eulex | jensens, if you had used apt-get source, it'd do that for you. |
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| 15:15.57 | [dEbo] | Eulex: i no but theres bount to be away of changing it |
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| 15:16.58 | jensens | Eulex: no, i have the files here w/o apt-get source - i'd like to know the command apt-get source uses :) |
| 15:17.01 | meborc | Eulex, still the same diversion message :( |
| 15:17.05 | Eulex | [dEbo], ethtool |
| 15:17.32 | [dEbo] | Eulex: im using ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 |
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| 15:17.42 | [dEbo] | Eulex: but it dont seem to be changing |
| 15:17.46 | aoq- | hey i installed debian 4 and apt-cache search xchat doesnt find anything, any idea? |
| 15:17.58 | Eulex | meborc, it's supposed to say that, but there's supposed to be a link from libGL.so to that file |
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| 15:19.23 | meborc | Eulex, the link appeared :) but running the "make" command gives this NEW message - /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLU |
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| 15:19.36 | meborc | Eulex, so basically the same thing with GLU |
| 15:19.56 | phryk | Which file defines LC_CTYPE? |
| 15:19.59 | Eulex | jensens, I'm not sure, but untar the .orig.tar.gz, and apply the .diff.gz on top of it |
| 15:20.22 | Eulex | meborc, does /usr/lib/libGLU.so exist? |
| 15:20.36 | meborc | Eulex, and there is no libGLU.so any more... i could swear it was there before |
| 15:20.40 | aNOOBisa | How do I find out if my cpu is amd64 or i386 |
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| 15:20.49 | aNOOBisa | cat /proc/cpuinfo does not tell me that |
| 15:21.04 | Eulex | meborc, and you have libglu1-mesa-dev ? |
| 15:21.04 | abrotman | it should if you look at the flags IIRC |
| 15:21.21 | Eulex | aNOOBisa, it does tell you that, if you interpret the output. |
| 15:21.41 | meborc | Eulex, no, but i have it now :) |
| 15:21.46 | aNOOBisa | Eulex how would I go bout finding out |
| 15:22.01 | jensens | Eulex: thanks, but found it dpkg -x my.dsc |
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| 15:22.33 | Eulex | aNOOBisa, take a look at "model name" and look it up |
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| 15:22.59 | aNOOBisa | Eulex duuh :) thanks |
| 15:23.16 | meborc | Eulex, IT RUNS :D you are the best! |
| 15:23.21 | Eulex | wikipedia has lists of processor models |
| 15:23.28 | Eulex | meborc, hehe, great :) |
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| 15:26.57 | tziku | how can i run at startup a command from a user (not from root) ? I need that user to start a process. |
| 15:28.02 | beardy | tziku: That's what cron is for. |
| 15:28.10 | beardy | !run at boot |
| 15:28.10 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
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| 15:28.43 | tziku | ok thanks :) |
| 15:28.50 | beardy | tziku: The @reboot, in your users crontab, is for you. No problem :) |
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| 15:38.54 | JPT | i need to know chmod + chown command in order to make a folder available to all users...writeable to all users and stuff.. |
| 15:39.45 | JPT | chmod 777 is clear to me.. |
| 15:39.56 | JPT | but still some users cannot do anything on files in the folder |
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| 15:40.47 | et | having write permissions on a directory (folders don't exist) does not mean having write permission to files in them |
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| 15:57.32 | RimFrost | hello everyone. when i tried to install the debian netinstall cd for 4.0r6 x64 it couldnt find my network card? i have a Asus M3N78-AM motherboard |
| 15:58.11 | RimFrost | it was alot of drivers there in the list on network configuration but not mine |
| 15:58.51 | slysir | RimFrost, on board nic is enabled in yout bios |
| 15:59.10 | slysir | ? |
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| 15:59.48 | abrotman | RimFrost: which NIC is it? |
| 15:59.56 | RimFrost | what is nic? |
| 16:00.05 | abrotman | network card |
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| 16:00.06 | abrotman | !nic |
| 16:00.07 | dpkg | i heard nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 16:01.11 | RimFrost | wait a sec gotta look |
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| 16:02.59 | abrotman | seems to be a forcedeth device |
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| 16:03.23 | abrotman | RimFrost: you might want to try etchnhalf netinst or lenny netinet |
| 16:03.24 | RimFrost | the chipset is Nvidia Geforce 8200... LAN is Nvidia nforce built in gigabit MAC with external Realtek8211CL-GR Phy |
| 16:03.27 | abrotman | lenny netinst |
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| 16:03.41 | deadcat | i am trying to xmapmod my alt_l (keycode 113) to Control_R, i did xmodmap -e "keycode 113 = Control_R" but it doesnt really work.. any reason why? |
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| 16:05.15 | RimFrost | http://laotzu.acc.umu.se/cdimage/lenny_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-Lenny-amd64-netinst.iso <<<< its not there? |
| 16:05.26 | barn | so, I've made an update to a debian package, how do I submit it? |
| 16:06.21 | dkr | deadcat: I think the modifier keys like "control" are slightly different frm a simple assignment like that |
| 16:06.41 | et | barn: send a mail to its maintainer |
| 16:07.03 | RimFrost | there i found it... debian-Lenny-DI-rc2-amd64 hope it works better :) |
| 16:07.14 | deadcat | dkr: oh.. damn. |
| 16:07.17 | dkr | deadcat: yeah, you need "add control" look at man xmodmap |
| 16:07.17 | barn | et: will do, thanks |
| 16:07.25 | epsilon | how's status of xen in lenny? Is it included? |
| 16:07.27 | deadcat | dkr: ah.. thanks. |
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| 16:07.34 | matmo | lenny 2.6.26-1-486 and wanting to update dv1394 and ohci1394 modules but they are not listed in m-a. Best way to get latest versions? |
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| 16:07.38 | abrotman | barn: the BTS or send to the maintainer |
| 16:07.46 | slak | hi.anyone know of a web ui tool for adding users |
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| 16:07.51 | abrotman | barn: if you send it to the BTS, it will be publicly available |
| 16:07.53 | slak | something VERY simple |
| 16:08.06 | deadcat | dkr: oh man.. i have that in my .xsession for my ibook (= |
| 16:08.29 | RimFrost | its an RC? what does that mean in the Debian world? |
| 16:08.46 | dkr | !tell slak about webmin |
| 16:09.10 | abrotman | RimFrost: release candidate .. but to be released "Real Soon Now" |
| 16:09.11 | deadcat | dkr: bingo, thanks |
| 16:09.12 | slak | webmin is overly complicated for this purpose |
| 16:09.29 | slak | anything simpler with jsut a username, pw, groul, and a shell pulldown :P |
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| 16:09.40 | abrotman | slak: use adduser ? |
| 16:09.41 | slak | i need to write this in pelr ;( |
| 16:09.57 | abrotman | need to write? |
| 16:10.00 | slak | abrotman: i would but its for this secretary type person |
| 16:10.01 | dkr | sounds like a security hole waiting to happen |
| 16:10.03 | abrotman | is this your homework ? |
| 16:10.07 | barn | abrotman: cool, just use reportbug? |
| 16:10.07 | slak | yes local lan |
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| 16:10.20 | abrotman | barn: you can, or your normal email client .. |
| 16:10.32 | abrotman | barn: is it to fix a bug? or for an improvement? |
| 16:10.46 | barn | abrotman: updated package |
| 16:10.58 | abrotman | barn: the whole thing? |
| 16:10.59 | barn | upstream release, just repackaged it TBH |
| 16:11.06 | RimFrost | i just get a new computer but they didint ship any OS with it, how crazy is that? so Linux was the first choise now |
| 16:11.27 | abrotman | barn: which package? the maintainer may not even accept it if your work is shoddy |
| 16:11.39 | barn | abrotman: facter |
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| 16:12.52 | abrotman | barn: uhm, they're only ..2 versions behind in unstable |
| 16:13.08 | barn | abrotman: I was just trying to be helpful (: |
| 16:13.27 | RimFrost | and i didnt want to by Windows for like 250/300 $ |
| 16:13.35 | abrotman | barn: you can email them, but i wouldn't guess you'll see it going into unstable until lenny releases .. the maintainers may have already even done the work |
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| 16:14.03 | abrotman | barn: i'd email jamie and matt .. see where it stands |
| 16:14.18 | barn | abrotman: I will do, if I can save them the work, that's less for them to do |
| 16:14.32 | abrotman | barn: maybe they'll love your work and add you as an uploader |
| 16:14.41 | barn | yeah... no. (: |
| 16:15.02 | abrotman | okay then |
| 16:15.17 | barn | thanks. I'll mail 'em with the .diff.gz cheers |
| 16:15.17 | RimFrost | or 1500 swedish crowns as it cost in sweden. couldnt they ship Linux when i buy the computer instead? |
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| 16:37.43 | anewbie | grrr |
| 16:37.55 | anewbie | ok i install kde4 from the experimental sources |
| 16:38.00 | abrotman | !pal anewbie |
| 16:38.00 | dpkg | points at anewbie and laughs hysterically |
| 16:38.23 | anewbie | :) cool |
| 16:38.30 | anewbie | but there is no option to log in kde4 |
| 16:38.32 | anewbie | gnome only |
| 16:38.33 | maligor | using experimental should be a joyous occasion |
| 16:38.44 | anewbie | yeah sure but want to try it |
| 16:38.53 | simonrvn | to be laughed at |
| 16:38.55 | anewbie | and don understend why i dont have the option to use it |
| 16:38.56 | abrotman | anewbie: ask #debian-kde |
| 16:39.01 | anewbie | good point |
| 16:39.05 | maligor | 'the option'? |
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| 16:39.16 | maligor | I have them experimental packages installed |
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| 16:39.34 | anewbie | you know down in left is the session menu |
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| 16:39.40 | anewbie | and when i click there there is no kde |
| 16:39.46 | maligor | not a clue |
| 16:41.05 | simonrvn | you missed a package maybe ... or it's really a bug |
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| 16:42.23 | Eulex | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_38 |
| 16:42.48 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 16:42.48 | anewbie | simonrvn, from debian-kde tells me that i need kdebase-workspace-bin |
| 16:42.49 | amoe | evening |
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| 16:44.04 | Si1ver1ock | does anyone use debian in a virtual machine? |
| 16:44.19 | petemc | lots of people |
| 16:44.25 | simonrvn | anewbie: so install it ... ? |
| 16:44.47 | maligor | debian shouldn't have any trouble living in one |
| 16:45.04 | anewbie | no candidate version found for kdebase-workspace-bin |
| 16:45.06 | abrotman | Eulex: eh .. 38 is older than 37 |
| 16:45.12 | anewbie | but i think now i see what i missing |
| 16:45.16 | anewbie | kdecore |
| 16:45.24 | anewbie | yeah |
| 16:45.27 | Si1ver1ock | petemc: i'm wondering about deleted data on a vm , do you think it is still there old passes etc? |
| 16:45.30 | simonrvn | that's a meta-package.. |
| 16:45.36 | Ejdes | hi, i installed debian lenny earlyer today, and i'm looking for a mindmap program, but i can't find any in apt... do you guys have some suggestions on a good mindmap program? |
| 16:45.59 | petemc | Si1ver1ock: im not sure how a vm is relevant here, that depends on the fs and how it was deleted |
| 16:46.09 | maligor | Ejdes, did you try: apt-cache search mindmap |
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| 16:47.36 | Ejdes | maligor, no, but i tried aptitude search mindmap... |
| 16:47.51 | Si1ver1ock | petemc: i can download or upload a vm as a file, in other words , a vm can get around a lot more thatn a regular machine, potentially hundreds of times. |
| 16:48.01 | Ejdes | but apt-cache search mindmap comes up with some good results :) |
| 16:48.06 | maligor | Ejdes, try apt-cache, there's something weird about aptitudes search |
| 16:48.10 | rgr | What do you recommend? denyhosts or fail2ban? |
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| 16:48.33 | Ejdes | maligor, thanks for it :) |
| 16:48.49 | petemc | Si1ver1ock: i still dont get how thats relevant, but ok# |
| 16:48.58 | amoe | What's the preferred way to read root's mail? |
| 16:49.10 | petemc | you dont, you have roots mail sent to a nortmal user |
| 16:49.13 | Si1ver1ock | rgr fail2ban was relatively easy, and painless |
| 16:49.24 | amoe | petemc: how to do that? |
| 16:50.18 | Si1ver1ock | petemc: that is what create security hole , things people don;t think are relative ;) |
| 16:50.24 | petemc | amoe: a mail client |
| 16:50.32 | Si1ver1ock | relevant |
| 16:50.43 | rgr | Ejdes: just use synaptic. |
| 16:50.46 | petemc | Si1ver1ock: fantastic then |
| 16:51.41 | rgr | actually what is the system setting for email to root going elsehwere? |
| 16:51.56 | Ejdes | rgr no, last i tryed it, it was way to slow compared to apt-* / aptitude |
| 16:52.00 | Si1ver1ock | rgr you can do a .forward |
| 16:52.05 | petemc | rgr: most often /etc/aliases |
| 16:52.24 | rgr | Ejdes: well, it would have been a lot quicker than trying aptitude, apt and asking here :-; Worked for me fine. |
| 16:52.26 | Si1ver1ock | or aliases |
| 16:52.33 | rgr | thanks. |
| 16:53.03 | Ejdes | rgr, that's correct, but now i know why it didn't work, so i can be fast from now on:P |
| 16:53.49 | rgr | Ejdes: I would be surprised, really, if its faster. With synaptic your answers are there and a click from installing. No need to type package name etc. But if you prfer the command line fine. |
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| 16:54.21 | rgr | I need to review my email settings since its a micture of maildir and nnml spool |
| 16:54.25 | Si1ver1ock | when you secure a hard drive with shred it overwrites the disk N times to erase the data,, this would not work on a VM it might seem excessive |
| 16:54.36 | Ejdes | rgr, i think that depends on what you are used to... i prefer command line :) |
| 16:54.36 | petemc | why wouldnt it work? |
| 16:55.14 | rgr | Ejdes: so do I for tasks it suits. Something like searching the debs and installing from the results is not one such. |
| 16:55.21 | rgr | (IMO of course) |
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| 16:55.34 | Ejdes | :) |
| 16:55.39 | xxiao | anyone had experience on adding a new arch to debian? |
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| 16:57.03 | xxiao | 1. build a native build env on the machine, then build native deb packages one-by-one, then generate the repo? |
| 16:58.08 | xxiao | where is the right place to ask this sort of question? |
| 16:58.09 | Si1ver1ock | xxiao: a new arch, a new chip or VM? |
| 16:58.24 | xxiao | a new arch |
| 16:58.58 | Si1ver1ock | xxiao: isn't an ach related to achipset? |
| 16:58.58 | xxiao | want to test water before next stable release |
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| 16:59.19 | abrotman | xxiao: which architecture? |
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| 16:59.25 | xxiao | it's e500 chips from freescale, similar to legacy powerpc |
| 16:59.39 | abrotman | similar ? or is? |
| 16:59.48 | xxiao | but some instructions, abi, esp floating points, are different |
| 16:59.55 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_e500 |
| 16:59.58 | abrotman | says it's PowerPC |
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| 17:00.15 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 17:00.15 | dpkg | i guess ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 17:00.23 | abrotman | i think you want OFTC for #debianppc though |
| 17:00.31 | xxiao | abrotman: not fully, market term it is, technically there is some difference at instruction set level |
| 17:00.44 | abrotman | xxiao: additions or subtractions? |
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| 17:01.25 | abrotman | anyways, i'd ask the PPC people .. might not need a separate port |
| 17:01.35 | xxiao | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 17:01.55 | abrotman | or they might tell you it's hopeless! |
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| 17:02.21 | xxiao | :( |
| 17:02.42 | xxiao | nothing is hopeless except usa's debt and the lady had 6+8 kids |
| 17:02.43 | madsara | Hi everyone... I've uninstalled courier (then manually moved the old config directory out of the way). When I reinstall, I don't get the "virgin" configs back... how do I get them? |
| 17:02.54 | abrotman | xxiao: oddly related :) |
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| 17:03.13 | petemc | !tell madsara about confmiss |
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| 17:05.33 | simonrvn | xxiao: that'll run ppc as is i think. ask in #mklinux. |
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| 17:06.06 | madsara | Thanks petemc |
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| 17:11.29 | vlt | Hello. What does state "[UU], Resync=PENDING" mean in /proc/mdstat? |
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| 17:12.41 | n-iCe | hello |
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| 17:15.22 | gaintsura | what package provides the ifconfig/iwconfig tools |
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| 17:15.30 | abrotman | !tell gaintsura about search |
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| 17:15.50 | xxiao | simonrvn: yes i'm on mklinux, it's for kernel stuff, not really a distribution |
| 17:16.11 | gaintsura | thanks abrotman |
| 17:16.15 | abrotman | gaintsura: wireless-tools .. if you can't find it on your own |
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| 17:17.41 | enouf | vlt: seen /etc/cron.d/mdadm and /etc/default/mdadm? |
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| 17:22.09 | rss | Hi, when I copy text from firefox window to oocalc/oowriter, font changes, how to disable it? |
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| 17:22.52 | yrcjaya | rss: try paste special |
| 17:23.40 | rss | yrcjaya: how/where to do that? |
| 17:24.33 | yrcjaya | rss: when you want to paste it in ooo try going to edit -> paste special |
| 17:24.51 | rss | oh ok |
| 17:24.56 | rss | ctrl-shft-v |
| 17:25.01 | yrcjaya | yes |
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| 17:25.43 | rss | yrcjaya: thanks |
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| 17:26.21 | yrcjaya | rss: after doing that you will get a window asking you to choose a option. just choose unformatted text it works for me |
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| 17:27.32 | rss | yrcjaya: yes, but i'd love to get rid of that dialog box |
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| 17:28.11 | yrcjaya | rss: I'm not sure you can try using macro |
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| 17:28.31 | rss | why should it care if the text is unformatted or HTML, it is acting as if it is emacs! :P |
| 17:28.44 | Pred2k5 | hi, I get the following error, when trying to "make clean modules": http://paste.debian.net/27498/ , what could be wrong? |
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| 17:29.38 | x1250 | how can I regenerate the menu.lst for the latest kernel? |
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| 17:30.08 | Pred2k5 | ah, I need the kernel headers |
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| 17:37.05 | myeggo | hello |
| 17:37.11 | myeggo | what is the yakuake for gnome? |
| 17:37.12 | myeggo | not tilda |
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| 17:38.19 | simonrvn | almost the same name... |
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| 17:42.02 | dkr | myeggo: guake? |
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| 17:42.20 | dkr | according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuake since I had no clue what yakuake was. :) |
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| 17:43.45 | ersi | Hello hello, is anyone around that occationally connects to bluetooth devices? (Without the use of bluez-gnome/gnome-bluetooth or kdebluetooth). ie. uses the command-line/console/terminal to connect/pair with bluetooth devices? |
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| 17:49.04 | simonrvn | yeh, guake |
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| 17:49.32 | simonrvn | dkr: it's an x term that drops down via hotkey |
| 17:49.32 | dmi3on | hi all |
| 17:49.47 | dmi3on | i need to set up Vnc server on debian |
| 17:49.59 | dmi3on | i set a port forwarding on a router |
| 17:50.00 | simonrvn | apparently that's what quake uses o_O ? |
| 17:50.10 | dmi3on | do i need to make any extra changes on Vnc ? |
| 17:50.26 | simonrvn | run the server and connect the client to it? |
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| 17:50.34 | dmi3on | yes |
| 17:50.55 | dmi3on | 3 clients |
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| 17:51.15 | csgeek | I'm trying to install debian in a chroot environment.. is there a decent guide for the procedure? |
| 17:51.53 | simonrvn | that wasn't really a question |
| 17:52.08 | simonrvn | csgeek: not you |
| 17:52.20 | csgeek | nvm for my part.. i found something |
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| 17:52.41 | leikh | How can I check whether sendmail or procmail is MDA? |
| 17:52.45 | dkr | !tell csgeek about debootstrap |
| 17:52.58 | dmi3on | simonrvn, ? |
| 17:53.33 | dkr | dmi3on: he means, "just do it" :) |
| 17:53.42 | dmi3on | ok |
| 17:53.44 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 17:53.59 | simonrvn | leikh: procmail is a mda |
| 17:54.21 | simonrvn | so is sendmail, but procmail is post-processing |
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| 17:54.42 | dkr | what is MDA, thought the term was MTA |
| 17:54.48 | leikh | simonrvn: on a running system, that is. |
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| 17:55.12 | simonrvn | mail delivery agent |
| 17:55.15 | leikh | simonrvn: i want to know if I have to use .forward, or can go straight to .procmailrc |
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| 17:55.20 | simonrvn | leikh: of course |
| 17:55.26 | simonrvn | leikh: depends |
| 17:55.51 | leikh | simonrvn: my questions was how to check what MDA is running on a system :) |
| 17:55.53 | dkr | ah, so sendmail is MTA (that can also do MDA) and prcomail is just an MDA |
| 17:55.56 | simonrvn | if you just wanna forward, use .forward. simple. |
| 17:56.10 | simonrvn | leikh: whereis, which are handy ;) |
| 17:56.33 | leikh | simonrvn: system has exim4, sendmail and procmail |
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| 17:56.49 | simonrvn | dkr: yes because mtas can deliver the mail to a mailbox, or route it to an app that does |
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| 17:57.43 | simonrvn | procmail just processes it just before it ends up in the final mailbox (or /dev/null, or whatever) |
| 17:58.11 | dmi3on | what is the deffernce between vncserver and vnc4server ? |
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| 17:58.51 | dkr | leikh: telnet 127.0.0.1 25 |
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| 17:59.11 | leikh | dkr: ah :) |
| 17:59.48 | leikh | dkr: exim4 |
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| 18:00.15 | dmi3on | i am thinking of installing VNC server and on vist tightVNC, is there any thing better |
| 18:00.17 | dmi3on | ? |
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| 18:00.39 | leikh | dkr: so, exim4 is MTA. But how to discover MDA? |
| 18:00.46 | teratoma | dmi3on: vnc server works great. you could try NX . NX is a lot harder to set up |
| 18:00.51 | dkr | leikh: now grep -r procmail /etc/exim4 :) |
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| 18:01.43 | leikh | dkr: with telnet? |
| 18:02.04 | dmi3on | teratoma, should i try to use NX if i am a begginer ? |
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| 18:02.09 | dkr | leikh: no, basically I am saying looka t how exim4 is confgiured to see whether it is setup to pass things along to procmail |
| 18:02.15 | teratoma | dmi3on: no. what is wrong with vnc ? |
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| 18:02.51 | dmi3on | teratoma, i guess nothing :) |
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| 18:03.47 | dmi3on | i remeber there was programm that when server goes to sleep or is turnoff programm turn it on |
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| 18:04.01 | dmi3on | turn's it on |
| 18:04.04 | teratoma | dmi3on: that doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 18:04.25 | edgy | Hi, I added this using visudo "sid ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/ls" but it still asks me for a password! |
| 18:04.29 | dmi3on | sorry |
| 18:04.30 | g00se | Surely it's possible to get Etch Iceape to open > 1 url in a tab from the command line? Please tell me how |
| 18:05.22 | g00se | iceape url1 url2 url3 doesn't work... |
| 18:05.23 | abrotman | edgy: in which OS? |
| 18:05.26 | faffi | what would be the easiest way to replace the contens all files and subfiles in a directory with the conents of another file or string |
| 18:05.26 | dkr | edgy: did you give an argument to the ls command? |
| 18:05.41 | abrotman | faffi: sed |
| 18:05.42 | dkr | abrotman: heh, suspicious because of his nick? :) |
| 18:05.43 | faffi | err all the contents of all files and subfile* |
| 18:05.45 | dmi3on | teratoma, is there any programme that when computer is off i can trun it on remotely |
| 18:05.50 | abrotman | dkr: among other things |
| 18:05.53 | faffi | abrotman: how do you get sed to replace from a file |
| 18:06.02 | abrotman | faffi: did i misread ? |
| 18:06.20 | edgy | dkr: no, I did sudo /bin/ls |
| 18:06.22 | faffi | abrotman: dont know, i have a bunch of html files that need to be replaced with the same text in a folder |
| 18:06.27 | abrotman | faffi: you could put the contents of a file in a string and use that as your replacement ? |
| 18:06.30 | abrotman | edgy: which OS? |
| 18:06.41 | edgy | abrotman: debian |
| 18:06.54 | g00se | faffi: Try: find startdir -type f -exec cat someotherfile >'{}' \; |
| 18:06.55 | abrotman | not likely |
| 18:06.56 | faffi | abrotman: i could, how can i make it do it in each subdirectory |
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| 18:07.14 | abrotman | faffi: grep has a -r/R iirc |
| 18:07.16 | edgy | abrotman: can you please try it yourself and confirm whether it's only me? |
| 18:07.23 | dkr | edgy: is there a newline after /bin/ls in /etc/sudoers? ir there an error message? |
| 18:07.29 | abrotman | edgy: i don't run ubuntu, nor do i use sudo |
| 18:07.35 | twisted` | yo :) I got an Intel HD audio card, and got the snd_hda_intel driver built into my kernel, but alsaconf tells me it can't a soundcard. What can I check? |
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| 18:08.03 | dmi3on | is there any programm that when computer is off i can trun it on remotely ? |
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| 18:08.27 | simonrvn | dmi3on: you're kidding, right? |
| 18:08.28 | dkr | dmi3on: some NICs have a feature you can send a special packet to them when the system is off |
| 18:08.29 | abrotman | !wol |
| 18:08.29 | dpkg | i guess wol is Wake on LAN, powering on a computer remotely through the use of a "magic" packet. See http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonlan/mini-howto/ for more information. WoL utilities packaged for Debian: 'etherwake', 'wakeonlan'. Online WOL services: http://stephan.mestrona.net/wol/ http://www.rshut.com/products/wol/mobile See also http://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan |
| 18:08.38 | teratoma | alias grep='grep --color=always ' is awesome |
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| 18:08.42 | dkr | and that is what it is called. :) |
| 18:09.05 | et | teratoma: unless you pipe it to something else |
| 18:09.40 | dkr | teratoma: until you pipe the results into "less" or somethign else. --color=auto is better :) |
| 18:09.41 | edgy | dkr: it's in its own line of course |
| 18:10.24 | abrotman | edgy: dpkg -l sudo | tail -1 .. show us the line |
| 18:10.25 | dmi3on | thx |
| 18:10.29 | dkr | edgy: is "sid" your username? heh :) |
| 18:10.47 | simonrvn | i'd recommend always using =auto |
| 18:11.02 | edgy | dkr: yes, in that system |
| 18:11.12 | edgy | dkr: can you please try it in your system |
| 18:11.20 | abrotman | edgy: dpkg -l sudo | tail -1 .. show us the line |
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| 18:12.19 | edgy | abrotman: I don't have access to the system now. I just need hints to try it tomorrow or a confirmation that it works |
| 18:12.28 | abrotman | convenient |
| 18:12.40 | twisted` | is it possible that the driver might not work because alsa expects it to be a module instead of built-in/ |
| 18:13.14 | dkr | edgy: try it with spaces before and after the = |
| 18:13.43 | edgy | dkr: I used tabs not spaces, could that be the problem? |
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| 18:14.09 | edgy | dkr: I mean before the command /bin/ls I used a tab |
| 18:14.12 | dkr | edgy: uhm, you just typed it out to us by memeory rather thanc utting and pasting what you actually have in the config file? |
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| 18:14.32 | edgy | dkr: no no I typed it exactly as I put it in that file |
| 18:14.37 | amitz | what version of ubuntu is the closest to lenny? |
| 18:14.45 | dkr | edgy: come back when you have access to the system. we'll help then :) |
| 18:15.13 | edgy | dkr: the system in a lab that has no internet connection :( |
| 18:16.01 | edgy | dkr: is it so difficult for you to try in your system? ;) |
| 18:16.01 | faffi | g00se: can i do find ./ -type f | grep .htm | cat replace.txt > |
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| 18:16.02 | faffi | how would i reference the found files |
| 18:16.10 | simonrvn | amitz: E) none of the above. how the hell should we know? |
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| 18:16.26 | abrotman | faffi: -exec |
| 18:16.36 | faffi | :P |
| 18:16.39 | dkr | faffi: find . -type f -name "*.htm" |
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| 18:16.50 | faffi | ahhh yeah thats much smarter haha |
| 18:16.51 | deadcat | so many things are wrong with that find command |
| 18:16.58 | J6Dof | hi, im trying to install rcssserver3d-0.6 (a robocup soccer simulation server) when i run the configure script it says that it cant find GL/glut.h . freeglut is installed and i copied glut.h into /usr/include/GL/glut.h but neither worked |
| 18:17.25 | dkr | edgy: I was recommending the spaces around = because that is how it is in my working sudoers |
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| 18:17.45 | dkr | edgy: and how the examples look in man sudoers |
| 18:18.23 | simonrvn | deadcat: ugh, no kidding |
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| 18:18.29 | mr_clark | Okay dumb question here. Trying to build a network monitoring box. I need eth1 to come up automatically with no IP address. I can't seem to get the config in /etc/network/interfaces correct. What is the easiest way to do this without having to bring up the interface manually? |
| 18:18.40 | g00se | faffi: Sorry. My last doesn't work. This does: for F in $(find startdir -type f); do cat someotherfile >$F; done |
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| 18:19.13 | amitz | where can i get a tabular list of the version of important libraries used in lenny? thx in advance |
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| 18:19.35 | madsara | lear |
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| 18:19.47 | edgy | dkr: ok I will try that tomorrow and report back thanks |
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| 18:21.41 | faffi | g00se: do i replace F with the text in the filename? |
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| 18:22.12 | J6Dof | anyone can help me ? |
| 18:22.46 | abrotman | copied ? |
| 18:22.55 | abrotman | J6Dof: which version of debian? |
| 18:23.29 | J6Dof | abrotman:lenny 64 bit |
| 18:23.40 | abrotman | J6Dof: is freeglut3-dev installed ? |
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| 18:25.02 | J6Dof | abrotman:yes |
| 18:25.14 | abrotman | J6Dof: and it still can't find it? |
| 18:25.28 | J6Dof | abrotman:yeah |
| 18:25.36 | abrotman | and you sohuldn't be copying those files around |
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| 18:25.54 | abrotman | J6Dof: does the configure script say that it's looking somewhere else for that file? |
| 18:26.07 | amitz | answering my own question: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian |
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| 18:26.50 | J6Dof | abrotman:i had yhis problem in ubuntu hardy when i copied the header files into the directory it worked |
| 18:26.55 | abrotman | J6Dof: try to see where the configure script is looking |
| 18:27.03 | J6Dof | abrotman:it says it is looking for GLUT/glut.h |
| 18:27.05 | mr_clark | Anybody know how I can set up an interface to automatically come up with no ip address? |
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| 18:27.21 | abrotman | J6Dof: well, that'd be why it can't find it .. that's a dumb place to look IMO |
| 18:27.29 | J6Dof | i suppose it is in /usr/include/GLUT |
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| 18:28.02 | J6Dof | i mean it should be and it is but it kepps giving the same error |
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| 18:28.30 | dkr | mr_clark: throw "ifconfig eth1 up" in a file in /etc/network/if-up.d ? |
| 18:28.31 | subsume | my interfaces/network makes no mention of *.*.*.133 yet my ifconfig reports eth0:1 *.*.*.133 |
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| 18:29.01 | subsume | what could be going on? |
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| 18:29.14 | dkr | dhcp? |
| 18:29.15 | myeggo | dkr: thanks, it seems to be |
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| 18:29.22 | mr_clark | dkr: That's what I was thinking. I just thought there would be a way to do it in the /etc/network/interfaces. But I guess not. |
| 18:29.22 | myeggo | sorry for my mental lag, i was afk |
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| 18:29.26 | faffi | g00se: im getting the error cannot overwrite existing file |
| 18:29.32 | Enverex | Does the version of Grub in SID support UUID booting? |
| 18:29.36 | faffi | even though i can modify the file through vi |
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| 18:30.15 | abrotman | planet is two-faced? |
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| 18:30.37 | amitz | Enverex: the one in lenny support uuid booting |
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| 18:31.00 | dkr | Enverex: that's a yes |
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| 18:31.47 | amitz | Enverex: that's very likely a yes. |
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| 18:33.24 | no_maam | hi |
| 18:33.36 | no_maam | I got a little problem with debian and ldap |
| 18:33.49 | no_maam | I got a server, where a authenticated user is able to read and change his shadow password |
| 18:34.05 | no_maam | but ldap support in lenny seems to try to used a priviliged account for this |
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| 18:34.27 | no_maam | can I somehow switch that, so that for password changing, the current user account is used? |
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| 18:34.54 | dmi3on | when i conect to vncserver through vista i get just back screen with white dots, i cant find what is my problem |
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| 18:35.39 | nick_h[litage] | i've got a tar archive on a DVD which is giving me problems. when i try to extract it with ``tar xvvf /Volumes/Backup/backup.tar -C ~/Desktop/backup/ --exclude -X exclude.txt --ignore-failed-read'', the drive spins up for 5-10 minutes, and no output occurs |
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| 18:36.23 | nick_h[litage] | eventually, "tar: /Volumes/Backup/backup.tar: Cannot read: Input/output error" is spat out about 10 times, and tar finally fails with "tar: Too many errors, quitting" and "tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now" |
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| 18:36.58 | nick_h[litage] | i'm pretty sure the problem is with the DVD, because i'm unable to copy it onto my local FS |
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| 18:37.02 | abrotman | copy it off the DVD, and try it again ? |
| 18:37.03 | dmi3on | can any one help me pls |
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| 18:37.25 | abrotman | dmi3on: sounds like you dont' hve the vnc server attached to a window manager or DM |
| 18:37.29 | dkr | dmi3on: does it work when you connect through debian? |
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| 18:37.51 | nick_h[litage] | abrotman: i've tried /bin/cp , which fails after a while. should i bother trying dd? |
| 18:38.09 | dmi3on | i have debian only on one PC |
| 18:38.24 | dmi3on | on vista i run Tightvnc |
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| 18:38.39 | dkr | nick_h[litage]: maybe try some data recovery tools that can handle the i/o errors more gracefully and get what data they can |
| 18:38.50 | xxiao | i don't have a local lenny, what's the best way to find out which version of the package is used in debian from cmdline? |
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| 18:39.10 | et | packages.debian.org |
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| 18:39.28 | nick_h[litage] | dkr: true, good suggestion. thans |
| 18:39.30 | nick_h[litage] | s/thans/thanks |
| 18:39.40 | xxiao | et: ok...i will use the non-cmdline approach. |
| 18:40.11 | dmi3on | thats what i run in debian: vncserver -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24 |
| 18:40.11 | dmi3on | and in vista i start thightvnc and enter IP...:1 and Pass |
| 18:40.14 | dkr | xxiao: lynx http://packages.debian.org is commandline... 8^) |
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| 18:41.10 | Stanlin | Help!! APtitude says apt files are locked , but nothing is open, why???? |
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| 18:42.29 | abrotman | xxiao: apt-listversions |
| 18:42.31 | Stanlin | S.O.S |
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| 18:43.18 | dmi3on | no help for me :( |
| 18:43.28 | Stanlin | Pomagite! |
| 18:44.04 | xxiao | dkr: lynx http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gcc works. let me try apt-listversions |
| 18:45.37 | xxiao | abrotman: where is apt-listversions? only knew listchanges |
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| 18:46.14 | dmi3on | should i try ultra vnc ? |
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| 18:46.23 | abrotman | xxiao: sorry .. apt-show-versions i think |
| 18:46.45 | dmi3on | abrotman, can you help me pls |
| 18:46.54 | abrotman | i told you |
| 18:47.31 | rwaite | what do i have to read to figure out how to compile 2.6.28.3 and have a .deb that works like the ones provided in the repos |
| 18:47.43 | rwaite | also -headers, etc. |
| 18:48.01 | xxiao | lenny is using gcc 4.3.2, the newest is 4.3.3, wow |
| 18:48.16 | dmi3on | abrotman, thx, but i dont understand what i need to do or read to solve this :( |
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| 18:48.22 | abrotman | !tell rwaite about kp |
| 18:48.33 | abrotman | dmi3on: probably read the documentation for your vnc server |
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| 18:48.35 | rwaite | and when lenny is released in 2019, who knows what gcc will be at :D |
| 18:48.37 | rwaite | thanks abrotman |
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| 18:51.32 | xxiao | abrotman: apt-show-versions is good for mixed env(stable/testing), thanks! |
| 18:51.47 | abrotman | you shouldn't be mixing stable with anything |
| 18:52.15 | xxiao | i did not, just tried apt-show-versions and found it's really for mixed env usage, to check which package can be upgraded to testing |
| 18:52.39 | xxiao | still need lynx to get version info while i don't have a lenny here |
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| 18:54.29 | enouf | xxiao: were you perhaps looking for apt-cache policy <pkgname> ? |
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| 18:54.40 | enouf | xxiao: or, do i misunderstood |
| 18:54.48 | enouf | stand* |
| 18:55.04 | abrotman | enouf: he's looking for a tool that will tell him the versions available in other versions ... so if he's running stable, what's in testing/unstable .. |
| 18:55.07 | abrotman | AFAICT anyways |
| 18:55.11 | xxiao | i want to know which version of packages are used in a debian dist that i did not install |
| 18:55.21 | enouf | ok |
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| 19:01.04 | dmi3on | can any one help me pls i cant find why in thightVNC i get black screen with white dots it like very low resolution but i can see anything |
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| 19:03.58 | Enverex | Is there a reason why the Sid kernel is so old? |
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| 19:14.29 | jaalto | apt-get install wine=1.0.0-1 does not allow the install, so where can I download the previous package? snapshots.debian.net only carries 0.9.x line |
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| 19:14.35 | oSiRiDe-iRc|5966 | ciao |
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| 19:17.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaalto, looked in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 19:18.09 | g00se | faffi: Had to go out. Did it work? |
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| 19:19.42 | Karl | Hey |
| 19:19.54 | Karl | My server's time is wrong by 10 minutes, how may I fix that? :) |
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| 19:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | set it with date or better, install ntp |
| 19:20.42 | Karl | can I easely apt-get it? |
| 19:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 19:20.59 | Karl | apt-get install ntpd? :p |
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| 19:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | just ntp |
| 19:21.14 | Karl | or do I have to add weird version numbers :b |
| 19:21.16 | Karl | Ah, alright |
| 19:21.40 | Karl | I did it, and it started |
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| 19:21.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about apt-cache search ntp --names-only to see what packages exist :) |
| 19:22.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, there's the openBSD ntp around, too now |
| 19:23.12 | Karl | Hmm, I guess, as long as the time of my server is right :s |
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| 19:23.30 | Karl | So I did what you told and it gave me a list of packages |
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| 19:23.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... which is probably more secure but doesn't adjust the rate of the clock |
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| 19:24.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Karl, well, yes and none called ntpd :) |
| 19:24.21 | Karl | ah :P |
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| 19:24.31 | Karl | But ntp seems to be installed and it said it started it as well |
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| 19:24.41 | Karl | Will it update itself or do I have to do a restart |
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| 19:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... didn't it set your time correctly? |
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| 19:25.12 | Karl | Mon Feb 2 19:15:24 GMT 2009 |
| 19:25.12 | SlaSerX | hi somebody can help me |
| 19:25.13 | SlaSerX | for this |
| 19:25.13 | SlaSerX | err |
| 19:25.13 | SlaSerX | sshd: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.2) |
| 19:25.14 | SlaSerX | sshd: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.3) |
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| 19:25.18 | Karl | It's 19:25 at the moment |
| 19:25.25 | Karl | (the actual clock= |
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| 19:25.29 | Karl | )* |
| 19:25.39 | Karl | but on the server it's still 10 minutes slow |
| 19:25.47 | monra | Hello. I want to be able to ssh in my box from other computers. So I installed ssh(aptitude install ssh). When I do ssh localhost it works just fine, but when I do ssh monra@myip(and although I have open the 22 port) it doesn't work. Any ideas? |
| 19:25.48 | abrotman | SlaSerX: use paste.debian.net |
| 19:25.52 | SlaSerX | abrotman |
| 19:25.53 | SlaSerX | http://pastebin.com/m53772210 |
| 19:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I thought it'd do a look-up first... |
| 19:26.07 | abrotman | SlaSerX: you're mixing versions of debian .. |
| 19:26.12 | abrotman | bad bad bad!~ |
| 19:26.17 | SlaSerX | how i can fix this |
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| 19:26.29 | abrotman | finish upgrading your box to lenny |
| 19:26.42 | faffi | g00se: it worked, i played with it a bit |
| 19:26.48 | Karl | :\ |
| 19:26.53 | Karl | Do you think it would help with a restart? |
| 19:26.55 | faffi | g00se: it gave me cannot overwritefile errors but it actually did it |
| 19:27.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Karl, try /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
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| 19:27.11 | faffi | learned something new, noclobber |
| 19:27.22 | jair | guys if I have a debian linux machine running on vmware workstation does it make sense if someone runs SMARTD similar as running the SMARTD on a physical IDE or SCSI hard drive? |
| 19:27.25 | SlaSerX | how i finish upgrading to lenny ? |
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| 19:27.42 | abrotman | SlaSerX: do not msg me |
| 19:27.47 | SlaSerX | k sorry :) |
| 19:27.47 | Karl | Stopping NTP server: ntpd. | Starting NTP server: ntpd. | chrome:~# date | Mon Feb 2 19:17:46 GMT 2009 |
| 19:27.52 | Enverex | How do you specify a service to load at a runlevel? i.e. if I want HAL to load on boot? |
| 19:27.56 | abrotman | !tell SlaSerX about etch->lenny |
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| 19:28.02 | jair | will debian monitor the virtual hard drive as well? similar as it does it on the physical IDE ATA or SCSI? |
| 19:28.08 | Karl | D: |
| 19:28.13 | g00se | Goog |
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| 19:28.24 | g00se | s/Goog/Good |
| 19:28.25 | SlaSerX | abrotman thx man |
| 19:28.27 | TZander | hi, this howto for a wifi driver (broadcom) requires me to have a /lib/modules/2.6.*/build dir. Are there any packages for that or do I really have to compile my own kernel to get that? |
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| 19:29.08 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 19:29.17 | TZander | Enverex: add a symlink from the relevant /etc/rc* dir |
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| 19:29.29 | mynullvoid | is it possible to have nested group? |
| 19:29.42 | TZander | Enverex: but hal starts on boot unless you did something weird |
| 19:30.02 | g00se | Surely it's possible to get Etch Iceape to open > 1 url in a tab from the command line? Please tell me how |
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| 19:30.19 | mynullvoid | I am creating samba share folder which gonna have two groups for one folder; where each group shall have diffrent permission level |
| 19:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Karl, hm, strange - you could check /etc/ntp.conf - but the default debian.pool addresses should be "good enough" - also ntp might not be up to the task of such a big time jump - you could use the ntpdate package instead (but for that the ntp server has to be stoped) |
| 19:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Karl, also /msg dpkg ntp and /msg dpkg ntpdate to see what the bot has on the topic |
| 19:31.50 | Karl | ok |
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| 19:31.52 | Karl | thanks |
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| 19:32.41 | mynullvoid | I am creating samba share folder which gonna have two groups for one folder; where each group shall have diffrent permission level - is it possible? |
| 19:32.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I had segmentation faults in picard and traced down the occurance of the bug to one patchlevel version change in python... |
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| 19:32.55 | Blackhold | hello |
| 19:33.03 | Blackhold | could someone help me please? |
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| 19:34.10 | monra | Well ... so any ideas about my ssh-server problem? Or maybe any useful links or tutorials? I tried google, the only answer I could find was that I had a firewall(But I don't :P) |
| 19:34.10 | Blackhold | I'm writing a text, and I need some that could check the grammar :P |
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| 19:34.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the changelog for that change tells me "Use site.addsitedir() to add directories in /usr/local to sys.path" - which makes me suspect that some non-debian stuff in /usr/local or somewhere that really creates the crash - but then I moved /usr/local away and that doesn't make the crash go away |
| 19:34.55 | monra | Well ... so any ideas about my ssh-server problem? Or maybe any useful links or tutorials? I tried google, the only answer I could find was that I had a firewall(But I don't :P) |
| 19:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that something I should file a bug report on or not |
| 19:35.03 | monra | (oops sorry) for the second time |
| 19:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | monra, wrong IP, some firewall in between... unlikely that ssh doesn't listen on port 22 of all interfaces if you didn't change that |
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| 19:37.11 | monra | CutMeOwnThroat: Well.. I'm sure the IP isn't wrong. There is definetely no firewall. What do you mean ssh doesn't listen on port 22? |
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| 19:37.21 | mynullvoid | monra: purge your ssh-server and reinstall |
| 19:37.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Karl, if this is a pc, you should also have a look at hwclock |
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| 19:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | monra, well, it could be only listening on the loopback device - but the default config doesn't do that, so you would know about it |
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| 19:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | monra, I only mention it, because it would be the only non-external thing that would cause this behavior |
| 19:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | monra, why are you so sure there is definitely no firewall? |
| 19:40.16 | SlaSerX | abrotman |
| 19:40.17 | SlaSerX | man |
| 19:40.23 | monra | CutMeOwnThroat: I think I would know if I had :). mynullvoid I did what you said and works now, so thanks. Also thank you very much CutMeOwnThroat for your time |
| 19:40.23 | SlaSerX | how i make this aptitude install dpkg aptitude |
| 19:40.26 | SlaSerX | auto answer Yes |
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| 19:40.37 | SlaSerX | i execute command |
| 19:40.39 | SlaSerX | in command shell |
| 19:40.42 | SlaSerX | not is ssh.. |
| 19:40.48 | SlaSerX | openssh servers is dowbn |
| 19:40.49 | SlaSerX | openssh servers is down |
| 19:40.51 | SlaSerX | i run aptitude install dpkg aptitude |
| 19:40.57 | SlaSerX | Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] Abort. |
| 19:41.02 | SlaSerX | how i can answer Y |
| 19:41.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | monra, well, there's a NAT in most DSL set-ups... I doubt everone who has one knows about it :) |
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| 19:42.17 | monra | CutMeOwnThroat: Didn't know that ... well everything just works fine now ;) |
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| 19:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | monra, doh... I'd never have though reinstalling with new config would change a thing... someone must have messed with the config then |
| 19:42.27 | kizxjnoi | hello |
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| 19:43.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | SlaSerX, type 'Y'? |
| 19:43.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | or 'y', even |
| 19:45.20 | SlaSerX | -y |
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| 19:47.15 | Stanlin | help!!! Sound is not working in the laptop! |
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| 19:47.41 | et | The world will exploode!!! |
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| 19:47.46 | epsilon | Call 911!111 |
| 19:47.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind |
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| 19:48.50 | arezey | hallos. i'm having problems routing audio to my laptop speaker... i was breifly running debian etch, where it randomly started working, now i'm on lenny and it doesn't work.. |
| 19:48.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stanlin, /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 19:49.45 | Stanlin | Fixed!!!! |
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| 19:50.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, and on general principles |
| 19:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 19:50.04 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
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| 19:50.34 | arezey | cutmeownthroat, it works through headphones. |
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| 19:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | leaves you with 6) :) |
| 19:51.16 | arezey | i never touched the speakers, either when it suddenly started working, nor have i now :) |
| 19:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps they got a loose contact :) |
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| 19:51.58 | arezey | loose contact? |
| 19:51.59 | arezey | what's that? |
| 19:51.59 | Stanlin | Fixed!!! Debian can support Sound!!!!! |
| 19:52.16 | Ip_Man | No way |
| 19:52.32 | Ip_Man | impossible |
| 19:52.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's working with headphones but not with the speaker and you plugged in both into the same port, it can't be software |
| 19:52.33 | Ip_Man | -_- |
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| 19:52.50 | maligor | Stanlin, how come I can't hear you then? |
| 19:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | we got to calm him down somehow quick - the amount of exclamation marks is increasing dramatically |
| 19:53.16 | arezey | cutmeownthroat, the speakers are built-in. |
| 19:53.30 | arezey | external ones do work... hmm, perhaps it's a driver issue.. |
| 19:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | maligor, because it *can* support sound, it doesn't necessarily do it in every case :-P |
| 19:54.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | arezey, only thing can be that they're muted |
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| 19:54.22 | arezey | well, i went into alsamixer and unmuted everything. |
| 19:54.28 | arezey | no worky. |
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| 19:56.39 | subsume | I have eth0:1 showing up in ifconfig but there is no reference to it in my /etc/network/interfaces. What's happenin? |
| 19:56.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no separate driver for internal/external speakers |
| 19:56.52 | arezey | hmm. |
| 19:56.59 | arezey | can't be a driver issue then. |
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| 19:57.46 | arezey | what i don't get is that when on etch, the headphones just fell off and the speakers worked... |
| 19:57.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, your machine has been cracked |
| 19:57.50 | dkr | subsume: maybe one of the other networking scripts is turning up that interface alias? grep -r eth0:1 /etc/network |
| 19:58.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, damn you, I had such a good run at scaring him :-P |
| 19:58.31 | subsume | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, because a cracked machine is so plausible in this case... |
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| 19:59.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, sure, if the guy needs an extra-IP |
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| 19:59.27 | arezey | how do you know there are no female crackers? |
| 19:59.28 | rwaite | zsh or ksh, that is the question |
| 19:59.30 | arezey | :P |
| 19:59.33 | Stanlin | Debian supports sound!!!!@ |
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| 19:59.38 | subsume | dkr: all I got was "grep: warning: /etc/network/run: recursive directory loop" |
| 19:59.42 | arezey | stanlin, ok. anything new? |
| 19:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | arezey, easy, there are no women on the internet (and the ones who are, are men) |
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| 20:00.11 | rwaite | Stanlin: that's nothing, it support protected mode and dma! |
| 20:00.18 | jelly-home | Stanlin: please use just one ! sign at a time. Thanks. Didn't you hear about the recession? |
| 20:00.33 | dkr | subsume: that sounds suspicious. what's in /etc/network/run ? |
| 20:00.35 | arezey | cutmeownthroat, right.. |
| 20:00.41 | subsume | dkr: a link to itself |
| 20:00.47 | subsume | dkr: symlink to . |
| 20:00.50 | Stanlin | Help! how to configure samba! |
| 20:01.00 | arezey | stanlin, ever heard of google? |
| 20:01.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, but the recession means we all gotta spend *more* to get the economy back on steam... |
| 20:01.34 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: riight |
| 20:01.40 | dkr | subsume: that doesn't seem right. what version of debian? |
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| 20:01.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think Stanly sees this as a write-only channel |
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| 20:02.18 | subsume | dkr: 4.0 |
| 20:03.21 | master_o1_master | hi, how can I install the x-server from experimental on lenny without destroying the system? |
| 20:03.31 | subsume | dkr: suspicious in what sense? |
| 20:03.33 | dkr | subsume: my etch systems have a proper run dir (with a file named ifstate in it) |
| 20:04.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and ifstate contains the devices that are currently up |
| 20:04.07 | dkr | subsume: just int he sense of not being the way I expected it to be. that could, of course, simply be due to my ignorance, though :) |
| 20:04.10 | subsume | dkr: ifstate is in /etc/network |
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| 20:04.35 | Stanlin | Help, how to configure Virtual resolution?? |
| 20:04.37 | dkr | ok, then the symlink make sense. |
| 20:05.18 | subsume | dkr: the IP address assigned to eth0:1 is familiar to me but its not on this server. i moved it a while ago. |
| 20:05.56 | dkr | subsume: so maybe the interface alias is simply left over from before |
| 20:06.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, well, it is this server now... |
| 20:06.36 | subsume | dkr: how can I go about removing it, then? I did ifdown/ifup |
| 20:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, ifconfig eth0:1 down |
| 20:06.50 | dkr | subsume: that would onyl work if youstill hadit configured. just manualyl do it |
| 20:06.54 | dkr | like that |
| 20:06.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 20:07.23 | subsume | I tried that. Strangely I get ifdown: interface eth0:1 not configured |
| 20:07.24 | dkr | my typing sucks |
| 20:08.02 | dkr | is eth0:1 currently UP? |
| 20:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, ifconfig shouldn't give you anything that starts with ifdown: |
| 20:08.19 | subsume | oh, sorry. =) |
| 20:08.41 | subsume | typo on my part. let me see. |
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| 20:08.55 | Stanlin | Help, how to configure Virtual resolution?? |
| 20:09.13 | subsume | whew. welp, that solves it. thanks guys. I thoought ifdown eth0:1 would be equiv to ifconfig eth0:1 down |
| 20:09.27 | subsume | I also thought just doing ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 would do it, too |
| 20:09.36 | linkslice | I've got an old sarge system running whatever the default version os syslog it came with. I'm trying to figure out how to tell it to keep less files, but I don't see anything in the man pages about that. anyone have a clue stick handy they can hit me with? |
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| 20:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | linkslice, logrotate package, normally |
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| 20:10.41 | dkr | linkslice: comment out lines /etc/syslog.conf probably |
| 20:10.42 | linkslice | CutMeOwnThroat, ohhhhh there it is |
| 20:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | linkslice, barking up wrong tree :) |
| 20:11.22 | dkr | ah, keep same logs for less time, yeah. logrotate settings then. was thinking to log less int he first place, :) |
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| 20:11.39 | Stanlin | Is ARTS superior sound manager? |
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| 20:12.01 | dkr | is this guy a really subtle troll? or some weird experimental bot? |
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| 20:12.11 | TZander | lol |
| 20:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, I can't see anything subtle |
| 20:13.00 | dkr | subtle in that he isn't all that frustrating as most trolls are; just very mildly annoying |
| 20:13.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, and as for 2) eliza already could *react to input* 20 years back |
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| 20:14.01 | maligor | CutMeOwnThroat, Are you feeling oppressed by eliza? |
| 20:14.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | maligor, hehe |
| 20:14.42 | jelly-home | What makes you say that? |
| 20:15.02 | x1250 | haha |
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| 20:17.32 | linkslice | CutMeOwnThroat, haha yeah I was. Any idea what handles the rotation of apache logs? They aren't lsited in lgorotate, but something is rotating them. |
| 20:18.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | linkslice, my /etc/logrotate.d/ lists apache and apache-ssl |
| 20:18.56 | linkslice | CutMeOwnThroat, I *just* found that as well *sigh* |
| 20:19.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 20:19.04 | linkslice | THANKS!!! I'm going to change my nick now |
| 20:19.14 | linkslice | :) |
| 20:19.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that a threat? |
| 20:20.06 | elik | I just put an echo in some of gdm startup script, namely /etc/gdm/Init/Default, PostLogin/Default and Xsession. I searched for the output of the echo (grep -i bleh /var/log) and found nothing. I am wondering if it's cause it's not logged, or if it's cause none of those scripts are actually run or a third unknown option.. How can I verify? |
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| 20:22.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, /etc/init.d/gdm restart? And I don't think it's logged in the way you think |
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| 20:22.49 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, it's logged on screen? but not to file? |
| 20:22.52 | s3a | i am experiencing a bug in both iceweasel and epiphany in lenny which doesn't allow me to type in the message box when trying to send an email, which category must the bug report be filed in?\ |
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| 20:23.10 | n-iCe | s3a: I have the same problem, don't know why |
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| 20:23.59 | s3a | n-iCe, do i file that as a gecko bug though? like i want to bring this to the attention of the debian developpers |
| 20:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, I would think you just see it on the screen, yes... |
| 20:24.04 | paulfm | hi all |
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| 20:24.35 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, fair enough, thx |
| 20:24.36 | paulfm | does anyone feel like helping me figure out why I cant get mpg123 to play.. It will be fun I promise |
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| 20:25.03 | paulfm | All I get is floating point exception |
| 20:25.23 | paulfm | and then my entire system gives me "floating point exception" on most commands |
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| 20:25.50 | dkr | paulfm: are you running this system on a pentium chip? |
| 20:25.56 | s3a | n-iCe, ill just file the bug report for both iceweasel and epiphany on each one's bug report, ill mention that it isn't the only web browser that is having problems |
| 20:26.07 | paulfm | dkr... Im running it on a mini pc - vortex chip |
| 20:26.14 | elik | paulfm, sure as hell sounds like fun! |
| 20:26.27 | paulfm | elik: thanks!... its amazing.. .sooo cool |
| 20:26.57 | paulfm | I think Im high of all the lsmodding |
| 20:27.10 | elik | addicting eh ;) |
| 20:27.18 | paulfm | super |
| 20:27.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | s3a, I don't think crossposting bugs is very appreciated... |
| 20:27.54 | s3a | CutMeOwnThroat, im going to mention that i filed bug for both web browser in the bug report though, do you have a better idea? |
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| 20:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | s3a, finding out what it is :) |
| 20:28.47 | s3a | CutMeOwnThroat, well i know theyre both based on same stuff and i think thats something called gecko |
| 20:29.11 | s3a | CutMeOwnThroat, and i also know that firefox in ubuntu 8.10 doesn't have this problem |
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| 20:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | s3a, of course, doesn't matter if it's the same source package :) |
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| 20:30.18 | s3a | CutMeOwnThroat, of course what, i dont c what ur getting at |
| 20:31.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | if all the binary packages are compiled from the same source package, it doesn't really matter what package you file it against... |
| 20:31.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, gecko is the html-rendering engine... doesn't sound to me like that would cause your problem |
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| 20:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? wtf? |
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| 20:33.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show epiphany -> Epiphany is a multi-platform clone of Boulder Dash. In this game, the player must collect all the valuable minerals [...] |
| 20:34.14 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: you want epiphany-browser |
| 20:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I just got round to that :) |
| 20:34.55 | paulfm | how do I get my system to stop telling me "floating point exception"... do I have to reboot?... almost all commands give me this error now |
| 20:34.58 | rbd_ | hey guys... we are currently using checkinstall to build custom versions of certain packages (e.g. asterisk, twisted, django) ...but checkinstall has some...problems... I was looking for better alternatives... basically we have the source package and we want to make a deb out of what the 'make install' creates... would dh_make / debbuild be a possible replacement here with a bit extra work? |
| 20:35.39 | dondelelcaro | rbd_: start with the/a Debian package and do whatever customization you need |
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| 20:36.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | s3a, well, perhaps you're right and two separate bug reports are appropriate... it might boil down to some commenly shared library - or just some shared code |
| 20:36.19 | rbd_ | dondelelcaro, in some cases we are packaing up things that are not distributed in debian yet as packages |
| 20:36.29 | dondelelcaro | rbd_: nothing stops you from packaging them |
| 20:37.08 | nick_h[litage] | i have "PrintMotd no" in sshd_config , but when I ssh in, the motd is still displayed. is there a way to prevent the motd from being displayed (other than creating ~/.hushlogin)? |
| 20:37.13 | dondelelcaro | rbd_: though most of the things you've listed so far are already packaged in Debian; it'd be in your best interest to try to work with the maintainers of those packages to make whatever changes are required so you don't have to have custom versions of them |
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| 20:37.47 | dondelelcaro | rbd_: and the things that aren't in Debian probably should be (assuming we can actually distribute them) |
| 20:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | nick_h[litage], did you restart sshd? |
| 20:37.58 | deniz | CutMeOwnThroat, sry, my internet disconnected, but ya i still dont c wat u were getting at |
| 20:38.24 | nick_h[litage] | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. i just found that PAM was printing the motd |
| 20:38.35 | rbd_ | dondelelcaro, ok thanks |
| 20:38.41 | nick_h[litage] | commenting out the motd line in /etc/pam.d/ssh fixed it |
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| 20:41.02 | sosnix | czesc |
| 20:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guest2292, shall I give you a digest of what I said since you left in a query? |
| 20:41.21 | sosnix | Hi |
| 20:41.37 | bittin_ | Hi |
| 20:41.40 | sosnix | I have problem with SQLite |
| 20:41.42 | sosnix | in Debian |
| 20:42.15 | sosnix | how in debian i can import file databse to sqlite i want configure Mumble server.. |
| 20:42.53 | dkr | can't you just copy the files? isn';t that the point of a flat file db? |
| 20:44.28 | sosnix | I can copy file to sqlite base beacuse SQLite dont have manager like mysql (phpmyadmin) |
| 20:44.51 | frostschutz | sosnix: with the sqlite3 command line tool, .read file |
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| 20:46.50 | dmi3on | should i run sudo vncserver or just vncserver |
| 20:46.51 | dmi3on | ? |
| 20:47.17 | dkr | dmi3on: you don't need root privs, I think |
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| 20:47.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | only ran x11vnc |
| 20:47.58 | dkr | that's what I am trying out right now. bing able to run it to see already running desktop is quite useful |
| 20:48.14 | dmi3on | dkr, i cant find why i have this problem when i type sudo vncserver and then connect useing thightvnc everythig is working |
| 20:48.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I've not bothered with passwords for it yet :) |
| 20:48.31 | dmi3on | if just vncserver then i get blackscreen i thighvnc |
| 20:48.58 | sosnix | dmi3on do you have xorg installed |
| 20:48.59 | sosnix | ? |
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| 20:49.13 | dmi3on | sosnix, i have no idea |
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| 20:49.19 | sosnix | first xorg next graphic like gnome |
| 20:49.22 | dmi3on | sosnix, how do i check |
| 20:49.23 | sosnix | next |
| 20:49.32 | sosnix | do u have debian right? |
| 20:49.41 | dmi3on | sosnix, yes |
| 20:49.53 | sosnix | aptitude update && aptitude install xserver-xorg xbase-clients xfonts-base xterm |
| 20:49.56 | sosnix | in putty |
| 20:49.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, I guess it's the room for an exploit is still neglegible if I ssh into the box, run x11vnc and then connect with it with a vnc client (x11vnc can only have one client connected at a time) |
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| 20:50.16 | dmi3on | sosnix, ok thx |
| 20:50.23 | dmi3on | trying to do something new |
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| 20:51.37 | TxiTxArReRo | ola |
| 20:51.39 | paulfm | what is the default debian sound system? |
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| 20:52.00 | TxiTxArReRo | are there somebody of spain? |
| 20:52.24 | paulfm | when I configure mpg123 from source - it says detected sound modules: oss dummy |
| 20:52.26 | dkr | !es |
| 20:52.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:52.41 | paulfm | does that mean alsa is not on my system? |
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| 20:53.14 | dmi3on | sosnix, Install: target xterm is not a directory |
| 20:53.37 | frostschutz | paulfm: did you install the build deps for mpg123? |
| 20:53.44 | timeless | is there a "correct" way for a package to trigger dpkg-reconfigure locales? i'm adding a file to /var/lib/locales/supported.d/here |
| 20:53.57 | paulfm | frostschutz: uhmm.. no I didnt |
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| 20:54.03 | timeless | do i just use post.inst/post.rm ? |
| 20:54.10 | timeless | or is there some "trigger" thing |
| 20:54.13 | paulfm | frostschutz: it detected oss and dummy |
| 20:54.43 | sosnix | What that mean: Segmentation fault |
| 20:54.49 | paulfm | frostschutz: what build deps are you referring to? |
| 20:54.50 | timeless | 'crash' |
| 20:54.53 | enouf | timeless: maybe lacalegen |
| 20:54.54 | arezey | sosnix, a crash |
| 20:54.55 | timeless | => sosnix |
| 20:54.57 | frostschutz | paulfm: check what apt-get build-dep mpg123 would install, maybe alsa headers? |
| 20:55.03 | enouf | timeless: er localegen |
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| 20:55.14 | paulfm | frostschutz: thanks... will look now |
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| 20:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | timeless, /var/lib/locales? |
| 20:55.46 | enouf | why don't you just run dpkg-reconfigure locales though? .. or was it genlocale - i forget now |
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| 20:56.01 | timeless | enouf: i'm just looking for the "correct" way to do it |
| 20:56.17 | timeless | i'm perfectly fine w/ my package running that in post.inst/post.rm |
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| 20:56.27 | timeless | but if there's some more correct way, i'd like to know |
| 20:56.33 | enouf | you install the l10 (or i18n) support you need, and reconfigure and select it |
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| 20:56.42 | timeless | ARG |
| 20:56.43 | dmi3on | sosnix, i install/update still black screen |
| 20:56.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't that be /usr/share/? |
| 20:56.46 | timeless | i *am* a package |
| 20:56.47 | timeless | not a user |
| 20:57.01 | enouf | well, say that! :-p |
| 20:57.05 | timeless | i did! |
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| 20:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | he did! |
| 20:57.15 | sosnix | Who will help me in sqlite ? |
| 20:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | timeless, hello package :) |
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| 20:57.19 | timeless | > is there a "correct" way for a package to trigger dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 20:57.36 | enouf | i have a big package for you .... |
| 20:57.44 | timeless | enouf: my package is about 1k |
| 20:57.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | timeless, peek in e.g. gutenprint-locales? |
| 20:57.49 | timeless | i don't like big packages |
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| 20:58.02 | dmi3on | sosnix, what should i do now ? |
| 20:58.22 | timeless | cutmeownthroat: not relevant |
| 20:58.24 | sosnix | i was write in private message |
| 20:58.28 | sosnix | yours |
| 20:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | timeless, why? |
| 20:58.42 | sosnix | if you have xorg next is install graphic like gnome or xfce |
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| 20:58.53 | timeless | because those are translations for a set of locales that may or may not be configured |
| 20:58.55 | etech | hi |
| 20:59.09 | enouf | timeless: which locale is it? |
| 20:59.17 | arezey | sosnix, shouldn't installing a DE install xorg as well? |
| 20:59.19 | timeless | the system into which my package is being installed doesn't have the locale for which i'm being installed in /supported.d/ |
| 20:59.23 | etech | i have to install a desktop OS which should NEVER break, should i take etch or can can i already use lenny? |
| 20:59.45 | timeless | enouf: to prevent you from being confused, call it 'en-US-timeless' |
| 20:59.52 | sosnix | i have mumble-server.slite and this file i want import to sqlite how ? |
| 20:59.53 | timeless | trust me, the system doesn't have it |
| 21:00.02 | busfahrer | etech: I'd recommend RiscOS |
| 21:00.02 | enouf | timeless: better ask in one of #debian-mentors (/msg dpkg nmg) or #debian-dev .. both on oftc.net |
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| 21:00.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | etech, if you want something that NEVER breaks, you probably would be best advised not to install any software to begin with |
| 21:00.26 | timeless | enouf: thanks |
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| 21:00.48 | enouf | timeless: to keep you from being shocked and awed, i will keep my big package in my _____s |
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| 21:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wasn't aware you could have locales specially for p0rn |
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| 21:02.14 | dkr | o/~ I know you're lookin' at my ... sugar cubes. o/~ |
| 21:02.31 | etech | no, don't get me wrong...debian stable is what i need, i just wanted to know if lenny will be released the next weeks or if should take etch because lenny won't be released so fast |
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| 21:02.56 | etech | so i would actually install testing |
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| 21:03.19 | etech | when the stable release would in 2 weeks e.g. |
| 21:03.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | etech, nobody really knows when lenny will be released |
| 21:03.22 | dkr | etech: either way, etch would be better, since upgrading from oldstable to stable is pretty smooth with debian |
| 21:03.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, NOT TRUE! |
| 21:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just did the dist-upgrade on an old sarge system which I had previously only done an upgrade to etch |
| 21:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and ran into one of the worst dependency horrors I've seen |
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| 21:04.39 | dkr | ok, let me rephrase. if you follow the instructions in the release notes, the upgrade is smooth. :) |
| 21:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think Debian improved a LOT since then - both upgrades from etch->lenny I did went very smooth |
| 21:05.11 | etech | i wanted to know if it is better for the system to upgrade from etch to lenny or to use now lenny and upgrade until it is released as stable |
| 21:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | etech, well, if you find a bug in lenny now, you can still get it fixed before the release :) |
| 21:05.59 | cirzgamanti_ | err: # apt-get install lirc -> the following packages will be REMOVED: apt apt-rdepends apt-utils ... |
| 21:06.03 | cirzgamanti_ | wtf? |
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| 21:06.28 | cirzgamanti_ | any idea why this could happen? |
| 21:06.37 | BlueG | I am curious about the integration of proactive security solutions like PaX, PIE, SSP in Debian |
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| 21:06.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti_, aptitude why-not apt-rdepends might tell you |
| 21:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so I hope (haven't used that myself a lot yet) |
| 21:07.17 | cirzgamanti_ | "Unable to find a reason to remove apt-rdepends." |
| 21:07.33 | enouf | heh |
| 21:07.33 | cirzgamanti_ | neither am i ;) |
| 21:07.52 | enouf | cirzgamanti_: something must be marked manual or autoinstalled or someshit |
| 21:08.06 | cirzgamanti_ | so it's probably a broken lirc package? |
| 21:08.22 | enouf | cirzgamanti_: does it also show it being replaced with a newer version? under NEW |
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| 21:09.05 | cirzgamanti_ | no, that's why i was worrying. i tend to *use* apt from time to time ;) |
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| 21:09.26 | cirzgamanti_ | of course i could always install it again later ;P |
| 21:09.27 | enouf | cirzgamanti_: have you used aptitude prior to install all those ...as depends from a metapackage? |
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| 21:09.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | etech, I guess both would be ok... I'm a bit annoyed that the firefox and xorg packages still changed in lenny because both mean extra-effort to update |
| 21:09.33 | etech | oh, /msg dpkg lenny status < it is completely froozen? |
| 21:09.35 | enouf | !unmark auto |
| 21:09.41 | enouf | er |
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| 21:10.17 | enouf | !unmarkauto |
| 21:10.18 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 21:10.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | etech, but lenny has been frozen for several months now /msg dpkg lenny status is all we can tell you about when the release will probably be (and of course /msg dpkg wir ) |
| 21:11.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | etech, ops, didnt see your last sentence before I had answered :) |
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| 21:11.51 | redspike | enouf: hi, software raid works very well with the raptor disks, thanx for all help last weak. |
| 21:12.09 | etech | that's cool, i think i install lenny, when it is already RC2 |
| 21:12.12 | redspike | enouf: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/515060/diskperformence.txt |
| 21:12.19 | enouf | redspike: cool beans! \o/ |
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| 21:12.28 | cirzgamanti_ | interesting, when i do 'aptitude install apt', it wants to remove 15 lines of other progs like cdrecord, libgnome*, fastjar |
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| 21:12.38 | redspike | enouf: fast test with hdparm |
| 21:12.53 | redspike | enouf: md1 is raid0 |
| 21:13.05 | cirzgamanti_ | i think it found out i have a new mobo and will kill it soon for a new debian install, and now it wants to hurt me... |
| 21:13.31 | falsodar | debian question for debianers :) what is the time difference between stable and testing? eg java6 is in testing for few months already, how long will it take for it to appaer in stable? |
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| 21:13.35 | enouf | redspike: righto - nice - you could use one command, just hdparm -tT /dev/md1 ;-) |
| 21:13.56 | dkr | falsodar: when testing becomes stable |
| 21:14.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | falsodar, /msg dpkg release history |
| 21:14.13 | etech | falsodar, packages aren't put from testing to stable as from unstable to testing |
| 21:14.14 | dkr | falsodar: new software is nto added to stable, only security and major bug fixes |
| 21:14.15 | redspike | enouf: ahh thanx. :) |
| 21:14.23 | enouf | redspike: might as well checkout other bench utils such as iozone, bonnie++ - see lbs.sourceforge.net ;-) |
| 21:14.40 | redspike | enouf: iam going for that later :) |
| 21:14.50 | enouf | ;-) |
| 21:14.53 | redspike | ill will post the fact to you when iam done. |
| 21:15.06 | enouf | cool |
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| 21:15.15 | etech | falsodar, once stable is out, packages won't change in this release for about 18 monthes, exept security updates and bug fixes |
| 21:15.43 | falsodar | dkr CutMeOwnThroat etech: so ~18 months is the answer? |
| 21:15.59 | enouf | !release dates |
| 21:15.59 | dpkg | somebody said release dates was Debian Release Dates: 0.93R6 1995-10-26, 1.1 "buzz" 1996-06-17, 1.2 "rex" 1996-12-12, 1.3 "bo" 1997-06-05, 2.0 "hamm" 1998-07-24, 2.1 "slink" 1999-03-09, 2.2 "potato" 2000-08-15, 3.0 "woody" 2002-07-19, 3.1 "sarge" 2005-06-06, 4.0 "etch" 2007-04-08. |
| 21:16.00 | falsodar | dkr CutMeOwnThroat etech: letm me check the release history as well, cheers all |
| 21:16.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | falsodar, it varies... testing becomes stable on a release, then it starts moving more and more away from it until the next release |
| 21:16.40 | etech | never for etch when it isn't in etch now |
| 21:17.34 | falsodar | dkr CutMeOwnThroat etech: my problem is that i used the testing on my server, but i want to have stable now. |
| 21:18.04 | etech | falsodar, you will be able to upgrade etch(actual stable) to lenny(next stable) when it is out, and then java will be upgraded |
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| 21:18.46 | etech | falsodar, lenny(actual testing) is already a release candidate 2 for stable |
| 21:19.22 | falsodar | etech: so i ll just wait, with sources list set up to stable - would be the best to do? |
| 21:19.38 | etech | if you havn't problems with lenny i wouldn't downgrade |
| 21:19.55 | etech | falsodar, no! let the sources list how they are |
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| 21:20.16 | silver | Does gnome support the use of "root=/dev/disk/by-blah/blahblah"? |
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| 21:20.38 | Ip_Man | Hi, i am running debian and using gdm on my notebook. Gdm not supports console login, but i can easily press ctrl+alt+# The problem is, that i am kinda newbish and i don't know how to control power states of my notebbok from console. And when i close it, it switches to hibernate mode. I just need it to continue to work. |
| 21:20.43 | Ip_Man | and sorry for my english |
| 21:20.49 | silver | Erm, not Gnome |
| 21:20.54 | silver | Grub even |
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| 21:20.57 | etech | falsodar, the repo list should contain the lenny debian version |
| 21:21.05 | dkr | silver: in lenny, yes |
| 21:21.18 | etech | when lenny is out as stable, you will automatically have a stable debian , no changes are needed |
| 21:21.24 | silver | dkr, What version is that, just to make sure I'm using that? |
| 21:21.26 | falsodar | etech: lemme send you my sources list |
| 21:21.27 | dkr | !tell silver about uuid |
| 21:21.30 | silver | (version of Grub) |
| 21:21.37 | silver | dkr, Not uuid |
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| 21:21.52 | dkr | silver: sorry, I thought that's what by-blah, meant, by-uuid |
| 21:21.52 | etech | falsodar, use this http://debian.pastebin.com/ |
| 21:22.09 | silver | dkr, by-label in this case, easier to use |
| 21:22.14 | falsodar | etech: http://debian.pastebin.com/m7be29612 |
| 21:22.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | falsodar, you can write "lenny" instead of "testing" or "stable" |
| 21:22.34 | falsodar | etech: the system is installed for like 2 years i suppose |
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| 21:22.53 | etech | falsodar, so you have debian stable in use, not testing |
| 21:22.57 | BlueG | is there a pax kernel image available for Debian, or do you have to build one manually? Are any of the packages commonly built as PIC/PIE? |
| 21:23.19 | falsodar | etech: no no, i have testing, i changed to stable like a week ago |
| 21:23.23 | master_o1_master | hi, I'm trying to install the xserver from experimental on lenny, but I get: xserver-xorg-core: Conflicts: xserver-xorg-video-4. Any ideas? |
| 21:23.35 | falsodar | CutMeOwnThroat: what is the actual difference then? |
| 21:23.37 | \amethyst | BlueG: you mean PAE? the -bigmem kernels have PAE enabled |
| 21:23.41 | etech | falsodar, you changed lenny or testing to stable? |
| 21:23.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | falsodar, I seriously doubt that - you cannot downgrade from one distritbution to another |
| 21:23.54 | etech | falsodar, in the sources.ist? |
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| 21:24.24 | falsodar | etech: s/testing/stable |
| 21:24.30 | etech | i mean you replaced lenny or testing with stable in the sources list? |
| 21:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | falsodar, there is no sane mechanism to downgrade - you might have changed your sources.list from testing to stable, but that doesn't mean you switched |
| 21:24.36 | \amethyst | BlueG: as for PIC, shared libraries are PIC, static libraries are usually not, though that might depend on architecture |
| 21:24.43 | BlueG | \amethyst: no, I mean Position Independent Executable (or Code) for things like address space layout randomization with PaX |
| 21:24.51 | dkr | silver: I think so, because udev (in stable) supports it |
| 21:24.58 | falsodar | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah i know, but i would switch after 2 years right? :D |
| 21:25.31 | falsodar | CutMeOwnThroat: when the stable version becomes greater than the testing one i have |
| 21:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | falsodar, if you write "lenny" instead of testing or stable, it will always be lenny you install from, independent if it's testing or stable - so if you put in "lenny" now, you would now get "testing", but you would again get "stable" as soon as lenny becomes the next stable |
| 21:25.42 | silver | dkr, Any ideas on the syntax of that? |
| 21:26.14 | dmi3on | can some one help me with vncserver pleas, i cant find why do i get black screen when connect to vncserver with out using sudo |
| 21:26.23 | falsodar | CutMeOwnThroat: i ll just chenge it to lenny. it doesnt matter that the system isntalled is etch right? |
| 21:27.07 | dkr | silver: nope, haven't used it myself |
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| 21:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | falsodar, it does matter - you'll do apt-get dist-upgrade and that will upgrade some odd thousand packaes and you'll have made the switch from etch->lenny (you can also /msg dpkg etch->lenny ) |
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| 21:30.50 | polerin_ | /etc/network/interfaces is the main place that you'd specify defaults correct? I just moved my server back from being the ipmasq to being behind a router, and I pulled one of the NIC's (what was eth0). Now, even though I have eth0 configured as static in interfaces, every 24-48 hours or so it's dropping that ip and is grabbing one from dhcp |
| 21:30.55 | BlueG | I am wondering what if Debian supports ASLR |
| 21:30.55 | polerin_ | anything I should be checking? |
| 21:33.18 | kunwon1 | polerin_, cron jobs |
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| 21:33.33 | kunwon1 | maybe |
| 21:33.40 | Posterdati | hi |
| 21:33.41 | vladi_ | hi, im getting "An error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system: kernel package: linux-image-2.6-em64t-p4 |
| 21:33.54 | abrotman | vladi_: paste all the output in a pastebin |
| 21:33.55 | vladi_ | while trying to install lenny |
| 21:34.12 | abrotman | there is no more -em64t in lenny .. it's -amd64 or -686 |
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| 21:34.27 | Posterdati | please help swfdec crashes firefox (amd 64 + lenny) |
| 21:34.34 | polerin_ | any default one's I'd need to look at? I've not set any up by hand, so it'd likely something through apt or some other setup |
| 21:34.39 | vladi_ | abrotman: so why would the installer be trying to pull that |
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| 21:34.48 | abrotman | vladi_: NFC .. whichi nstaller ? |
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| 21:35.42 | vladi_ | abrotman: pxe installer for amd64 |
| 21:35.43 | polerin_ | kunwon1: ^^ sorry, forgot to address it |
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| 21:36.09 | abrotman | vladi_: where did you get it? it might be using the etch stuff |
| 21:36.21 | tziku | how can i give acces to "www-data" user to read all logs from /usr/hlds2/cstrike/logs ? |
| 21:36.26 | kunwon1 | polerin_, no idea. But it sounds to me that something is executing dhcp client |
| 21:37.18 | polerin_ | well, eth0 previously was configured via dhcp |
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| 21:37.51 | kunwon1 | polerin_, check logs too, I think the default behavior is to log dhcp transactions |
| 21:38.02 | kunwon1 | should point you in the right direction |
| 21:38.24 | vladi_ | abrotman: i got it from debian mirror let me pull the url |
| 21:39.28 | vladi_ | abrotman: debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/linux |
| 21:41.38 | abrotman | vladi_: you might want to look for one for lenny |
| 21:42.11 | abrotman | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
| 21:42.12 | vladi_ | abrotman: can i use the lenny one to install etch? |
| 21:42.21 | abrotman | vladi_: i thought you were trying to install lenny |
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| 21:42.28 | vladi_ | abrotman: sorry no |
| 21:42.37 | abrotman | drr .. okay |
| 21:42.41 | akhenat0n | good evening all |
| 21:42.44 | vladi_ | abrotman: lenny is testing right :) |
| 21:42.48 | abrotman | vladi_: yes, |
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| 21:42.55 | vladi_ | abrotman: yeah i want stable |
| 21:43.05 | abrotman | vladi_: it should be trying to get linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 21:43.10 | Enverex | dkr, Tried using uuid to boot, it stops when it finishes booting the kernel. No error or anything, it just stops |
| 21:43.35 | Enverex | It hasn't locked and if I hit C+A+D it syncs the SCSI then reboots, so not sure why it stops |
| 21:43.47 | batcoder-7 | anyone here program with python in vim? |
| 21:43.57 | abrotman | #python ? |
| 21:44.06 | batcoder-7 | ah yea |
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| 21:50.02 | akhenat0n | hello |
| 21:50.15 | kunwon1 | hi |
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| 21:52.41 | akhenat0n | wassup? |
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| 21:53.19 | polerin | kunwon1: I think I got it. There was a left over lease file for eth0 |
| 21:53.34 | kunwon1 | polerin, hooray :D |
| 21:53.39 | etech | akhenat0n, #debian-offtopic ;) |
| 21:53.40 | polerin | crossing fingers |
| 21:53.51 | polerin | thanks though |
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| 21:53.57 | akhenat0n | offtopic? i only said wassup :-/ |
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| 21:54.19 | etech | akhenat0n, if you generally just want to talk |
| 21:54.27 | akhenat0n | yeah? |
| 21:55.12 | akhenat0n | i'm waitin 4 u to finish your sentence etech |
| 21:55.19 | akhenat0n | ... |
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| 21:55.34 | akhenat0n | then ... |
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| 21:56.24 | akhenat0n | alas the world is full of muppets who do not have a fucking clue when it comes to manners and common courtesy |
| 21:56.28 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.32 | akhenat0n | fuck this |
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| 21:56.41 | atom | hi everyone. |
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| 21:57.06 | Farhadix | my lcd after some time gets blank, how disable this feature? |
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| 21:57.34 | abrotman | !tell Farhadix about dpms |
| 21:57.45 | simonrvn_ | um, it's going into power save mode |
| 21:58.10 | atom | I'm chosing a new distro to try (i've been running gentoo for the last 5 years) and I'm wondering about debian. I'd like the latest (even unstable) software, but I'm looking to get rid of the compile times and the build issues. Is debian the right choice, or does someone have other suggestions? |
| 21:58.15 | etech | with which driver should the ati radeon 9200se have the best performance, o netch and lenny? |
| 21:58.47 | atom | I mostly need it for software development and general workstation as well as multimedia (also a home computer) |
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| 21:59.04 | legis | atom: debian sid |
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| 21:59.30 | abrotman | legis: please do not do that |
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| 21:59.52 | legis | abrotman: he wants cutting edge, why not sid? |
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| 22:00.09 | abrotman | legis: unless you're going to be here to support him everytime it breaks, do not tell him to use it |
| 22:00.19 | atom | I'm no stranger to packages breaking or even fixing the source myself. |
| 22:00.20 | abrotman | etech: radeon should work |
| 22:00.28 | abrotman | atom: but you are new to debian, correct? |
| 22:00.33 | atom | abrotman: true. |
| 22:01.12 | atom | abrotman: but if it means that my software is two-three months late I'd rather chose a different distro or an unstable flavor than wait. |
| 22:01.18 | abrotman | atom: i'd say to point your system at testing (currently frozen for release) .. and once oyu're comfortable with debian, you can decide if testing is enough or perhaps using unstable .. but using unstable is dicey if you're not used to the way debian works |
| 22:01.23 | dmi3on | abrotman, i am still not able to fix black screen |
| 22:01.29 | dmi3on | can you help please |
| 22:01.34 | abrotman | dmi3on: on vnc ? |
| 22:01.34 | etech | abrotman, from the ati website or a debian package? |
| 22:01.39 | atom | abrotman: that is good advice. |
| 22:01.40 | abrotman | etech: it's already in debian |
| 22:01.44 | dmi3on | abrotman, yes |
| 22:01.57 | legis | atom: there is archlinux too. |
| 22:01.57 | atom | I'm also thinking about just going with kubuntu or fedora, how do those stack up? |
| 22:02.10 | dmi3on | abrotman, http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13130282po9.jpg what i get |
| 22:02.20 | abrotman | atom: that said .. testing is currently in a freeze state .. so it's probably a bit more stale than you'd like, but about a month after the release, it opens, and the fun begins again! |
| 22:02.27 | abrotman | dmi3on: you need to read the vnc docs ... |
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| 22:02.45 | etech | atom sidux is nice |
| 22:02.46 | dmi3on | abrotman, but if i run sudo vncserver then is working but i cant kill server |
| 22:02.50 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey does anyone know how to convert columns and rows to video in expertgui debian net install? |
| 22:02.52 | abrotman | dmi3on: if you right/middle click .. can you get a menu |
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| 22:02.57 | WolfDogDesigns | Hey all. Ive just installed Debian for the first time on me laptop, using network install cd. It seems to install fine, boot fine, until I get to loading desktop environmnet ... screen shuts off and it just sits there. can anyone help? |
| 22:03.05 | etech | atom but as you noticed, even unstable is freezed right now |
| 22:03.06 | abrotman | atom: we cannot tell you if any other distros are better, just what debian is |
| 22:03.18 | simonrvn | s/freezed/frozen/ |
| 22:03.18 | dmi3on | abrotman, no :( i google for hours didnt find any help |
| 22:03.19 | dmi3on | :( |
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| 22:03.30 | atom | abrotman: well, there's no channel for comparisons, and it doesn't hurt to ask. |
| 22:03.36 | abrotman | atom: ##linux ? :) |
| 22:03.40 | etech | atom when you used gentoo, you know how to configure your, you should love arch linux |
| 22:03.48 | simonrvn | atom: yes, you hurt *all* our feelings :P |
| 22:03.55 | dmi3on | abrotman, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/vnc-server-and-red-hat-8-blank-screen-103360/ that look same like my problem, but i dont understand what to change exactly :( |
| 22:04.03 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey can someone answer my question please? |
| 22:04.18 | atom | simonrvn: if comparisons hurt your feelings then you can't be confident in your answers and that is a pointer to something being wrong :) |
| 22:04.20 | simonrvn | Seth_Hikaru: hey, have a bit of patience. |
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| 22:04.23 | dkr | Seth_Hikaru: yes |
| 22:04.25 | abrotman | dmi3on: it tells you exactly what to change |
| 22:04.31 | simonrvn | atom: </humour> |
| 22:04.34 | atom | etech: I'm looking at it right now |
| 22:04.36 | abrotman | WolfDogDesigns: which debian ? |
| 22:04.41 | atom | simonrvn: sure :) |
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| 22:04.45 | Seth_Hikaru | What does column and rows mean for your video adapter? |
| 22:04.52 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: in X ? |
| 22:04.56 | simonrvn | Seth_Hikaru: characters |
| 22:05.20 | Seth_Hikaru | debian net install boot:expertgui |
| 22:05.43 | simonrvn | Seth_Hikaru: characters |
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| 22:05.53 | Seth_Hikaru | so how do I choose the right mode then? |
| 22:06.03 | skiter | Is there any way to make the system check the PCI bus without rebooting the machine? |
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| 22:06.09 | abrotman | skiter: lspci ? |
| 22:06.19 | dmi3on | abrotman, first my startuo file i empty, second when i start server i get starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession i am new to all this stuff so its very complicated for me :( |
| 22:06.24 | skiter | no |
| 22:06.25 | simonrvn | Seth_Hikaru: 800x600 too small for ya? |
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| 22:06.35 | abrotman | skiter: unless your hardware supports hotplug pci, it won't rescan IIRC |
| 22:06.47 | Seth_Hikaru | 1024 x 768 |
| 22:07.01 | Seth_Hikaru | i dunno I want to choose the right mode |
| 22:07.02 | simonrvn | omg, that's so small </facetious> |
| 22:07.06 | skiter | abrotman, sometimes my notebook detect my wireless card |
| 22:07.13 | abrotman | skiter: pcmcia ? |
| 22:07.15 | skiter | sometimes not |
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| 22:07.20 | skiter | onboard |
| 22:07.21 | simonrvn | Seth_Hikaru: you *can* change that later.. don't worry about it. |
| 22:07.28 | abrotman | skiter: that sounds like a different problem |
| 22:07.29 | Seth_Hikaru | well I need to select one |
| 22:07.33 | Seth_Hikaru | its asking for it |
| 22:07.33 | WolfDogDesigns | abrotman: 4.0_r6 stable release. the 180MB net install CD |
| 22:07.35 | abrotman | skiter: lspci .. do you see it ? |
| 22:07.38 | simonrvn | so pick one |
| 22:07.45 | abrotman | WolfDogDesigns: what is your video card? |
| 22:07.46 | skiter | yes |
| 22:07.54 | skiter | don't show wireless card |
| 22:07.58 | abrotman | yes or no? |
| 22:08.08 | WolfDogDesigns | abrotman: ATI X1150 I think |
| 22:08.09 | skiter | lspci don't show the card |
| 22:08.20 | Seth_Hikaru | well I guess it wouldn't hurt since I have ghosting later in the install and I have to use gparted to format the empty partition to ext3 |
| 22:08.20 | abrotman | !tell WolfDogDesigns about fglrx one-liner |
| 22:08.21 | abrotman | i think |
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| 22:09.30 | WolfDogDesigns | abrotman: do I need fglrx from start? wont it use vesa or something? |
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| 22:09.54 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey why does ghosting happen anyway? |
| 22:09.55 | abrotman | WolfDogDesigns: ideally it sohuld .. depends why it's shutting off, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:09.58 | legis | WolfDogDesigns: use lenny |
| 22:09.59 | atom | thanks for pointing me towards arch linux... it seems like the right choice for my requirements. |
| 22:10.13 | WolfDogDesigns | i dont know what lenny is |
| 22:10.26 | abrotman | !tell WolfDogDesigns about etch->lenny |
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| 22:10.48 | abrotman | WolfDogDesigns: but i'd check the X log first |
| 22:11.19 | Seth_Hikaru | hey is there any mail servers for debian that have a gui? |
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| 22:12.34 | legis | Seth_Hikaru: you mean webmail? |
| 22:13.11 | Seth_Hikaru | is that a mail server? |
| 22:13.11 | MarkJones | Did anyone else read that Lenny might be released officially on Feb 14? |
| 22:13.11 | abrotman | no |
| 22:13.11 | legis | Seth_Hikaru: or for configuring the mail server? |
| 22:13.11 | abrotman | MarkJones: that's an estimate .. not a guarantee |
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| 22:13.12 | Seth_Hikaru | i meant configuring |
| 22:13.43 | MarkJones | sweet |
| 22:13.49 | Seth_Hikaru | legis configuring the mail server |
| 22:13.53 | FSX_ | Hey, I mounted a share and I'm trying to checkout an svn repo to the share, but Rapidsvn says it doesn't have permission. |
| 22:14.04 | WolfDogDesigns | abrotman: "Synaptics DeviceOff called" appears near the end of the log and then it seems to shut off ending in "(**) RADEON(0): Ok, leaving now... |
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| 22:15.38 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey legis can I get an answer please? |
| 22:17.37 | Seth_Hikaru | Ok I have a question now. When I get to the Debian installer main menu on the net install and I press any key for example lets say down instead of selecting the option below that it will see it as if I hit the down key twice. |
| 22:18.14 | Seth_Hikaru | And it selects the option below the one I wanted. |
| 22:18.25 | Seth_Hikaru | How do I fix this? |
| 22:19.13 | MarkJones | Netinstall for etch or lenny? |
| 22:19.54 | abrotman | WolfDogDesigns: that doesn't seem like an error that would kil it |
| 22:20.21 | WolfDogDesigns | abrotman: okay, trying the lenny and fglrx thing now |
| 22:20.31 | Seth_Hikaru | etch I beleive. |
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| 22:21.45 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey MarkJones where you asking me which build? |
| 22:21.45 | abrotman | WolfDogDesigns: lenny probably doesn't need the fglrx |
| 22:21.55 | dustybin | Number concerning the next release: 113 |
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| 22:22.08 | dustybin | maybe the counter is stuck ? :P |
| 22:22.09 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey can someone answer my question please? |
| 22:22.18 | dustybin | o_0 |
| 22:23.02 | dustybin | !tell Seth_Hikaru about manners |
| 22:23.15 | WolfDogDesigns | lol |
| 22:23.32 | Seth_Hikaru | No 10 minutes is enough to figure out and answer my question. |
| 22:23.39 | dustybin | :o |
| 22:23.47 | abrotman | dustybin: that was useless |
| 22:23.59 | MarkJones | Seth...Is there a reason you dont just download the CD image? |
| 22:24.02 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: which question ? |
| 22:24.06 | dustybin | abrotman: the counters stuck? |
| 22:24.18 | WolfDogDesigns | dont you think that these people are maybe doing other things too? |
| 22:24.21 | Seth_Hikaru | <Seth_Hikaru> Ok I have a question now. When I get to the Debian installer main menu on the net install and I press any key for example lets say down instead of selecting the option below that it will see it as if I hit the down key twice. |
| 22:24.22 | Seth_Hikaru | <Seth_Hikaru> And it selects the option below the one I wanted. |
| 22:24.22 | Seth_Hikaru | <Seth_Hikaru> How do I fix this? |
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| 22:24.36 | Seth_Hikaru | ^^^ That question. ^^^ |
| 22:24.37 | abrotman | don't dot hat? |
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| 22:24.54 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: is there a reason you're not using the reguar installer instead of the expert one ? |
| 22:25.05 | Seth_Hikaru | I used the regular one. |
| 22:25.31 | MarkJones | Seth what option are you trying to select? |
| 22:25.45 | Seth_Hikaru | define what you mean by option.... |
| 22:25.57 | MarkJones | Nevermind forget it. |
| 22:26.09 | Seth_Hikaru | Ok. |
| 22:26.12 | Seth_Hikaru | Fine. |
| 22:26.24 | jelly-home | <Seth_Hikaru> Ok I have a question now. When I get to the Debian installer main menu on the net install and I press any key for example lets say down instead of selecting the option below <-- that option |
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| 22:26.33 | FSX_ | Hey, I mounted a share and I'm trying to checkout an svn repo to the share, but Rapidsvn says it doesn't have permission. |
| 22:26.34 | Seth_Hikaru | It deafults to "Choose language" |
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| 22:27.42 | Seth_Hikaru | and when I press the "down arrow key" instead of selecting "Select a keyboard layout" it goes down 2 times and selects "Detect and mount CD-ROM" and when I mean select I mean highlight it. |
| 22:28.25 | MarkJones | Seth when you burned your disk did you run an md5sum on the drive? |
| 22:28.40 | Seth_Hikaru | yes. |
| 22:29.08 | Seth_Hikaru | It verified correctly. |
| 22:29.12 | MarkJones | Ok so your saying on every menu when you press your down arrow key it actually gets pressed twice? |
| 22:29.22 | Seth_Hikaru | it sees it as that |
| 22:29.25 | Seth_Hikaru | or say enter |
| 22:29.25 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: does anything change on the screen when you press ctrl-L ? |
| 22:29.36 | Seth_Hikaru | i dunno |
| 22:29.42 | Seth_Hikaru | let me boot it up again and try it |
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| 22:30.08 | MarkJones | Seth do you have a spare KB? Or have you tested your KB with a different live CD to make sure your keyboard is ok? |
| 22:30.15 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: which version of installer are you using? |
| 22:30.19 | Seth_Hikaru | etch |
| 22:30.22 | Seth_Hikaru | latest |
| 22:31.13 | Seth_Hikaru | Yes |
| 22:31.21 | Seth_Hikaru | puppy linus works fine |
| 22:31.24 | Seth_Hikaru | linux* |
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| 22:31.49 | Seth_Hikaru | like whenever I hit the enter key it see it as though i pressed it twice. |
| 22:31.54 | Seth_Hikaru | sees* |
| 22:31.59 | MarkJones | ok.Have you tested yout netinstall disk on another PC? |
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| 22:32.18 | Seth_Hikaru | No I'm positive it will work on another one fine too. |
| 22:32.38 | Seth_Hikaru | btw the monitors are using DVI |
| 22:32.41 | MarkJones | Laptop or desktop PC? |
| 22:32.44 | Seth_Hikaru | dekstop |
| 22:32.48 | Seth_Hikaru | desktop* |
| 22:32.50 | MarkJones | ok |
| 22:32.51 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: is it a usb or PS/2 keyboard? |
| 22:32.54 | Seth_Hikaru | usb |
| 22:33.05 | MarkJones | USB or PS2 kb? |
| 22:33.09 | MarkJones | oops |
| 22:33.12 | MarkJones | hehe |
| 22:33.13 | Seth_Hikaru | usb |
| 22:33.24 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: does anything change if you unplug and plug it back in? |
| 22:33.33 | Seth_Hikaru | highy doubt it |
| 22:33.38 | MarkJones | might be an incompatible keyboard. |
| 22:33.39 | Seth_Hikaru | other then it wont work |
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| 22:33.44 | Seth_Hikaru | doubt it |
| 22:33.50 | MarkJones | do you have a ps2 adapter for it? |
| 22:33.53 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: try that; also try the etchnhalf installer image. |
| 22:34.00 | Seth_Hikaru | thats pretty rare. |
| 22:34.04 | Seth_Hikaru | etchnhalf? |
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| 22:34.11 | Seth_Hikaru | whats that |
| 22:34.26 | MarkJones | Seth do you have a USB to ps2 adapter for you KB? |
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| 22:34.27 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: an installer image with a newer kernel; |
| 22:34.27 | garu | hi everyone |
| 22:34.31 | Seth_Hikaru | MarkJones I would somewhere but I'm don't feel like going to look for it. |
| 22:34.44 | Seth_Hikaru | do* |
| 22:34.46 | MarkJones | Well ok im done. |
| 22:34.50 | MarkJones | good luck |
| 22:35.05 | garu | can someone tell me how do I set my ip address to static?I'm running debian eth server on VMware |
| 22:35.16 | Seth_Hikaru | I don't want to look for it because that would take 6 days of searching my brain and house to remember where I put it. |
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| 22:35.40 | Seth_Hikaru | Plus I don't have 6 days to install this |
| 22:35.44 | acoyt | hello all of you |
| 22:35.48 | pl4yer0ne | mornin' all |
| 22:35.59 | acoyt | do i just need CD1 ton install debian? |
| 22:36.10 | jelly-home | hates debian's web pages |
| 22:36.15 | Seth_Hikaru | hey don't discontinue help with me |
| 22:36.22 | garu | acoyt yep |
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| 22:36.44 | Seth_Hikaru | If you want to me to go look for adapter I'll look. |
| 22:37.16 | acoyt | is there a live cd? |
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| 22:38.15 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: which architecture are you installing? amd64, i386, something else? |
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| 22:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seth_Hikaru, or just start weeping aloud.. that always works in here |
| 22:38.57 | Thasp | can I set the wifi settings I use iwconfig to set with /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:39.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially on jelly-home :-P |
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| 22:39.28 | Thasp | I have to set the channel manually, and managed mode manually. and for some reason I have to run iwlist ath0 scan before I can get it to show "ath0 link up" or ready |
| 22:39.29 | Seth_Hikaru | i386 |
| 22:39.52 | Seth_Hikaru | I couldn't find that adapter I'm pretty sure my dad threw it away. |
| 22:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thasp, you can do nearly everything you would want to do manually in /etc/network/interfaces as well |
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| 22:40.24 | dmi3on | please i cant find solution all day, when i connect with any viewer to vncserver that is installed on debian i get a black screen with white dots and instead of mouse big cross |
| 22:40.34 | Seth_Hikaru | So any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 22:40.40 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: so go to www.debian.org -> CD ISO images -> i386 netinst link -> debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:40.51 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: see if that image works better |
| 22:40.55 | batcoder-7 | no tux commander in the debian world? |
| 22:41.07 | twisted` | I'd like to change the behaviour of my keys, I want the ctrl to be bound on my cmd (meta??) and vica-versa |
| 22:41.13 | Thasp | CutMeOwnThroat: the man page here http://www.annodex.net/cgi-bin/man/man2html?interfaces doesn't mention the word channel at all, so I'm kind of confused. is there any documentation that is more verbose on wifi options in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 22:41.27 | Seth_Hikaru | If it doesnt jelly-home your paying for the wasted CD-R. |
| 22:41.47 | zinx | Seth_Hikaru: i'll mail you the $0.15 if you pay the postage |
| 22:41.48 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: you're welcome. |
| 22:41.59 | Seth_Hikaru | oh nevermind then |
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| 22:42.36 | Seth_Hikaru | Ok. |
| 22:43.05 | Seth_Hikaru | I just relized I can't burn it. |
| 22:43.08 | FSX_ | I got this error when I try to open gedit from the console "Error: Unable to initialize gtk", can someone help me? |
| 22:43.25 | garu | can someone tell me how do I set my ip address to static?I'm running debian eth server on VMware? |
| 22:43.29 | Seth_Hikaru | Besides can the net install work on the base system? |
| 22:43.38 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: just because there're ungrateful morons, doesn't mean there won't be normal people needing a bit of help |
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| 22:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, heh :) I actually *wasn't* trying to be offensive, calm down (but I'll say something really offensive lateron so not to disappoint expectations) |
| 22:44.57 | jelly-home | all right then, moving along |
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| 22:45.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thasp, generally, there's "man interfaces" and then there are the examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz - if you scroll down to the bottom of that file, you'll see that you can run your own custom scripts in which you can do whatever you please |
| 22:46.22 | Thasp | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:46.58 | batcoder-7 | anyone here know a way to select alot of files ina gtk tree with house? |
| 22:47.59 | Seth_Hikaru | Well I can't burn that etchnhalf |
| 22:48.06 | Seth_Hikaru | so can I network boot? |
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| 22:48.23 | vyrus001 | for some reason when i try to build hybrid-portsrc-x86_64-v5_10_27_14.tar.gz i get WARNING: modpost: missing MODULE_LICENSE() in wl.o during make and insmod: error inserting 'wl.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module during insmod attempt. dmesg shows [ 4556.558386] wl: disagrees about version of symbol ieee80211_get_crypto_ops |
| 22:48.27 | Seth_Hikaru | That is if I even knew how to network boot |
| 22:48.28 | vyrus001 | [ 4556.558397] wl: Unknown symbol ieee80211_get_crypto_ops? |
| 22:48.35 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: sure, if you have multiple machines and are willing to read the release notes |
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| 22:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thasp, oh - and I forgot to mention the wireless-tools package and its extensions to the interfaces file - I think that's explained in "man wireless" - and from that you should be able to set the channel with a line like "wireless-channel 9" |
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| 22:51.00 | Seth_Hikaru | Gahhh |
| 22:51.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you'd have found it anyway, it's rather prominently in the interfaces manpage if you look for wireless :) |
| 22:51.10 | Seth_Hikaru | trying to do this is insanly hard |
| 22:51.21 | Thasp | that's wat i was looking for |
| 22:51.26 | Thasp | *what. thanks |
| 22:51.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I *knew* there was an easier way... couldn't remember immediately, though :) |
| 22:51.46 | Seth_Hikaru | I just need to get to the Yes option if only I can time hitting the keys right to land on it. |
| 22:52.35 | Seth_Hikaru | ahhh |
| 22:52.48 | Seth_Hikaru | Who's idea was it to do this. |
| 22:53.08 | abrotman | acpi issue ? |
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| 22:53.24 | Seth_Hikaru | There has to be a solution to ghostingf |
| 22:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | was what? to stand on your head and sing 'rudi the red nosed reindeer'? |
| 22:53.59 | Seth_Hikaru | Is there just a simple way to tell the installer to install debian and not ask any questions? |
| 22:54.06 | Seth_Hikaru | whatsoever |
| 22:54.08 | abrotman | !tell Seth_Hikaru about preseed |
| 22:54.08 | slak | uhm |
| 22:54.11 | abrotman | !tell Seth_Hikaru about fai |
| 22:54.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: he said simple... FAI is the polar opposite |
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| 22:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:54.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: simple is in the eye of the doer .. apparently installing anything is hard for him :) |
| 22:55.03 | jelly-home | freaking fai is complex for me. |
| 22:55.19 | abrotman | but it depends how many times he plans on doing this |
| 22:55.23 | Seth_Hikaru | Well genius how about you teach me to network boot because I don't have access to a cd burner no because I nuked my windows partition. |
| 22:55.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I guess installing without a working keyboard could be challanging for everyone :) |
| 22:55.46 | abrotman | would rather use floppies than network boot |
| 22:55.46 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: what does your other machine run? |
| 22:55.52 | Seth_Hikaru | this machine? |
| 22:55.57 | Seth_Hikaru | XP |
| 22:56.07 | Seth_Hikaru | and I don't have room for a cd burner |
| 22:56.12 | Seth_Hikaru | and i cant make room |
| 22:56.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seth_Hikaru, did you try swapping the keyboards? |
| 22:56.23 | Seth_Hikaru | yes |
| 22:56.27 | Seth_Hikaru | and it does the same thing |
| 22:56.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny |
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| 22:56.38 | Seth_Hikaru | not really |
| 22:56.48 | Seth_Hikaru | these computer are the same make and model |
| 22:56.54 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: you can always plug the disk in the other machine, install there, and put it back |
| 22:56.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, see me smile |
| 22:56.59 | Seth_Hikaru | everything is identical |
| 22:57.02 | Seth_Hikaru | um |
| 22:57.08 | slak | cry me a river |
| 22:57.12 | Seth_Hikaru | it will do the same im pretty sure |
| 22:57.23 | jelly-home | !usb install |
| 22:57.23 | dpkg | it has been said that usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 22:57.24 | slak | wanker |
| 22:57.41 | Seth_Hikaru | cant do usb install genius |
| 22:57.51 | jelly-home | !rube goldberg install |
| 22:57.51 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 22:58.08 | Seth_Hikaru | lol |
| 22:58.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, do you know what the answer to this was, actually? |
| 22:58.18 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: have fun getting help with that attitude. |
| 22:58.21 | Seth_Hikaru | ill take the rube goldberg install |
| 22:58.27 | Seth_Hikaru | how do i go about doing that? |
| 22:58.32 | Stanlin | Help!!! how to disable the webcam in a laptop?? (not by bios) |
| 22:58.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | pull it out! |
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| 22:59.06 | jelly-home | Stanlin: why? |
| 22:59.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there some deep and mysterious reason you start nearly every sentence with "help!!"? |
| 22:59.17 | Seth_Hikaru | cant i just set special boot parameters for the install system? |
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| 22:59.37 | SlaSerX | who use smbind |
| 22:59.38 | SlaSerX | ? |
| 22:59.40 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: you can. read the release notes. read about preseed. |
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| 23:00.12 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: if you have a working linux livecd, you can also do a debootstrap install |
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| 23:00.36 | Stanlin | jelly-home: interestingly , the webcam heats, and eats battery energy, so i would like to disable it |
| 23:00.57 | Seth_Hikaru | does FAI work on windows? |
| 23:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think it's a good question: why are there no debian harddisk images around? |
| 23:01.06 | Seth_Hikaru | oh because |
| 23:01.13 | Seth_Hikaru | there illegal apparently |
| 23:01.29 | Seth_Hikaru | i wondered that myself |
| 23:01.31 | jelly-home | has a .tar.gz |
| 23:01.45 | Seth_Hikaru | I also thought of install this in a vm and then extracting the image |
| 23:01.59 | Seth_Hikaru | but I don't even know how to do that |
| 23:02.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, or a tar.gz - anything that would give you an instant clone preset for en/US and X/vesa (or even without X) |
| 23:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seth_Hikaru, no wonder, that would be quite difficult |
| 23:03.17 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: eww, X. |
| 23:03.56 | Seth_Hikaru | OMG |
| 23:04.00 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: you could also plug the disk and attach it to a virtual machine and install there. There are lots of options. |
| 23:04.02 | Seth_Hikaru | YAY I FIXEDED IT |
| 23:04.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, I see... you generally prefer the USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader for anything that needs graphics |
| 23:04.21 | jelly-home | I don't need graphics. |
| 23:04.29 | Seth_Hikaru | I just used the VGA=771 option |
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| 23:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, ascii-p0rn sucks, though |
| 23:04.43 | Seth_Hikaru | thank you people who though of this. |
| 23:04.57 | dusty_ | Hey guys, what packages contains: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linuxcommand.org/man_pages/formail1.html <-- i really need this application ? |
| 23:05.00 | vlt | Hello. How to install a non Linux OS like MS W2k into a domU? |
| 23:05.15 | Seth_Hikaru | whats a domU |
| 23:05.41 | vlt | Seth_Hikaru: Oops, sorry, wrong channel |
| 23:05.44 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: windows people keep the desktop machines alive, and I reinstall linux every 8 years so having an image is close to useless |
| 23:06.03 | Seth_Hikaru | why? |
| 23:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell dusty_ -about apt-file |
| 23:06.14 | jelly-home | !tell dusty_ about search |
| 23:06.30 | dusty_ | apt-cache search formail doesn't show anything |
| 23:06.37 | jelly-home | won't say "procmail" cause that wouldn't be fun |
| 23:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a MS W2k.... |
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| 23:06.54 | jelly-home | dusty_: search for files -> use apt-file, not apt-cache |
| 23:07.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dusty_, apt-file! (see factoid) - also, are you running stable or testing? |
| 23:07.21 | Seth_Hikaru | hey for the domain name what should I put? |
| 23:07.24 | jelly-home | dusty_: formail comes with procmail. |
| 23:07.27 | dusty_ | mail /var/log: which apt-file |
| 23:07.27 | dusty_ | mail /var/log: |
| 23:07.29 | dusty_ | im on etch |
| 23:07.30 | Seth_Hikaru | My ISP or nothing? |
| 23:07.43 | dusty_ | thankyou jellyhome! |
| 23:07.46 | vlt | Seth_Hikaru: (A domU is a guest OS in XEN virtualisation.) |
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| 23:07.51 | Seth_Hikaru | oh |
| 23:07.59 | jelly-home | dusty_: not go and learn to find it yourself with apt-file |
| 23:08.03 | jelly-home | now* |
| 23:08.09 | Seth_Hikaru | hey for the domain name what should I put? |
| 23:08.13 | Seth_Hikaru | My ISP or nothing? |
| 23:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, having an etch-hd-image next to the cdrom/dvd install images might be very useful in some cases |
| 23:08.49 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: it's reasonably easy to create it |
| 23:09.12 | Seth_Hikaru | anyone? |
| 23:09.25 | dusty_ | hands jelly-home a beer |
| 23:09.33 | dusty_ | i dont have apt file ? |
| 23:09.39 | jelly-home | !installit |
| 23:09.39 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 23:09.58 | dusty_ | just done it lol |
| 23:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dusty_, that's weird - so what about 'maildrop' which even shows up with an apt-cache search? |
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| 23:10.20 | dusty_ | CutMeOwnThroat, ?? apt-cache search formail didnt show anything |
| 23:10.29 | RayTracer | I'm currently trying to dpkg-buildpackage amanda-*, with amanda-2.6.2-alpha sources untarred and the debian dir copied over. FYI: it seems one needs to add '--without-amlibexecdir' to configure in debian/rules. |
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| 23:10.49 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever use tuc commadner |
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| 23:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dusty_, well, try with apt-file ... and READ the apt-file factoid before you wonder why apt-file doesn't work |
| 23:11.07 | dusty_ | mail /var/log: apt-file search formail |
| 23:11.08 | dusty_ | mail /var/log: apt-file find formail |
| 23:11.08 | dusty_ | mail /var/log: apt-file find *formail* |
| 23:11.08 | dusty_ | mail /var/log: |
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| 23:11.15 | dusty_ | it dont work |
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| 23:11.32 | jelly-home | dusty_: you need to apt-file update, first |
| 23:11.45 | jelly-home | dusty_: dpkg told you that. |
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| 23:12.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, and I told him to damn well read it before he wonders why he doesnt work! |
| 23:12.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | just 2 seconds ago |
| 23:12.14 | jelly-home | !be a reading barbie |
| 23:12.14 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly-home |
| 23:12.23 | dusty_ | jelly-home, where did he tell me that |
| 23:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 23:12.33 | jelly-home | dusty_: in the private message |
| 23:12.43 | dusty_ | i didnt read it |
| 23:12.44 | dusty_ | heh |
| 23:12.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | shortly before you were kicked because of spamming |
| 23:12.53 | jelly-home | dusty_: sucks to be you |
| 23:12.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> dusty_, well, try with apt-file ... and READ the apt-file factoid before you wonder why apt-file doesn't work |
| 23:12.59 | dusty_ | it was off my screen |
| 23:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaja |
| 23:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what all flooders say |
| 23:13.13 | dusty_ | CutMeOwnThroat, it does not say in the factoid u need to run update first. |
| 23:13.19 | jelly-home | dusty_: yes it does |
| 23:13.22 | dusty_ | where |
| 23:13.23 | Seth_Hikaru | I can't believe I forgot to specify my swap space. |
| 23:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 23:13.29 | dpkg | well, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 23:13.30 | dusty_ | factoid meaning apt-file --help |
| 23:13.33 | dusty_ | oh |
| 23:13.41 | dusty_ | i dont know about these factoids! |
| 23:13.54 | jelly-home | !tell dusty_ -about foo |
| 23:14.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you got it in a private message about 15 minutes ago |
| 23:14.06 | jelly-home | dusty_: do you see a private message by dpkg? |
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| 23:14.39 | jelly-home | dusty_: another tab/window in your irc client, perhaps |
| 23:14.48 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey should a password 26 letters in length ever have to be changed? |
| 23:14.58 | jelly-home | dusty_: are you using Debian at all? |
| 23:15.12 | atom | Seth_Hikaru: yes |
| 23:15.13 | dusty_ | debian, ubuntu, centos, slackware. |
| 23:15.27 | jelly-home | for some reason "[00:14] -dusty_- VERSION xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu" makes me suspicious |
| 23:15.34 | atom | Seth_Hikaru: it's not about cracking it, it's about learning it from you. @see current xkcd |
| 23:15.38 | dusty_ | lol |
| 23:15.54 | dusty_ | mail /var/log: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:15.54 | dusty_ | 4.0 |
| 23:15.54 | dusty_ | mail /var/log: |
| 23:16.04 | Seth_Hikaru | No it shouldn't because no will ever guess it. |
| 23:16.06 | dustybin | dusty_: would you mind chanding your nick? :P |
| 23:16.10 | dusty_ | could that be a debin box |
| 23:16.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, I'll retire to meditate on what might have made you suspicious there :) |
| 23:16.18 | Seth_Hikaru | And I highly doubt anyone would be able to figure it out. |
| 23:16.18 | dusty_ | dustybin, i have had dusty for a long time. |
| 23:16.21 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: me too. |
| 23:17.00 | dustybin | dusty_: at least your not bin i guess 8] |
| 23:17.06 | atom | Seth_Hikaru: it's your funeral |
| 23:17.31 | Seth_Hikaru | Highly unlikey. |
| 23:17.49 | dusty_ | heh |
| 23:17.50 | dusty_ | :) |
| 23:17.50 | jelly-home | Seth_Hikaru: don't use the same password everywhere. |
| 23:17.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, you ALWAYS say that! |
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| 23:18.07 | Seth_Hikaru | 26 password will never be cracked anytime soon |
| 23:18.19 | dusty_ | CutMeOwnThroat, why do you have that nick ? |
| 23:18.31 | dustybin | faircakes: i don't _ALWAYS_ say that? |
| 23:18.56 | Seth_Hikaru | Like hell I'll ever tell my password if I am hit with a $5 wrench. |
| 23:18.58 | kunwon1 | Seth_Hikaru, it depends on what the password is composed of. dictionary words? could be brute forced pretty quick |
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| 23:19.04 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 23:19.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, he claimed my nick was offensive... |
| 23:19.04 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 23:19.08 | Seth_Hikaru | No not dictionay. |
| 23:19.23 | dustybin | fairycakes: your nick is actually quite nice? |
| 23:19.29 | dustybin | </trolling> |
| 23:19.32 | Seth_Hikaru | I wont even specify a category because then it would be easier to find. |
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| 23:20.07 | dusty_ | why do you call yourself cutmeownthroat ? |
| 23:20.10 | dusty_ | its odd |
| 23:20.12 | dusty_ | im curious |
| 23:20.20 | oholiab | hey guys, quick question, is it possible to ssh into a box that has the debian install disk in? |
| 23:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | dusty_, /msg dpkg dibbler |
| 23:20.43 | Seth_Hikaru | Because he cuts his own throat |
| 23:20.50 | dustybin | dusty_: i find it deeply offensive, but now run a irssi script what converts every instance of CutMeOwnThroat into 'fairycakes' |
| 23:21.13 | jelly-home | dusty_: google is your friend |
| 23:21.30 | dusty_ | jelly, how the hell do u use google for something like that. |
| 23:21.39 | dusty_ | CutMeOwnThroat, thats awesome ;-] |
| 23:21.48 | dusty_ | dustybin, again awesome. |
| 23:21.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oholiab, try it? I doubt sshd will be running, so - "no" |
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| 23:22.47 | oholiab | CutMeOwnThroat: I was attempting to save myself from locating my install disk by asking that ;) I guess my answer is "stop being so lazy" |
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| 23:23.26 | oholiab | CutMeOwnThroat: although if I can start sshd... |
| 23:23.32 | vyrus001 | anybody know what causes [ 7185.603862] wl: disagrees about version of symbol ieee80211_get_crypto_ops |
| 23:23.34 | etech | is there a sync software for mobile phones for debian? |
| 23:23.36 | vyrus001 | [ 7185.603875] wl: Unknown symbol ieee80211_get_crypto_ops |
| 23:23.38 | vyrus001 | ? |
| 23:23.46 | oholiab | CutMeOwnThroat: thing is I don't have a moniter for the box and I forgot the password |
| 23:23.52 | karikari | hi, is there any good non-graphical tool that detects which wireless networks are available and connects to one if wep key has already been configured? |
| 23:23.53 | Seth_Hikaru | Ok so just curious what happens when it's done installing the bas system and boot loader? Will I be able to boot to gui? |
| 23:24.29 | aib42 | can anyone help me get an ad-hoc wireless network between a Debian and a Windows XP box? A good online tutorial would be a good start. |
| 23:24.43 | jelly-home | oholiab: grml.org livecd has a sshd boot option. Probably many other livecds do |
| 23:25.07 | aib42 | oh and I only have wireless-tools (iwconfig/iwlist). no fancy X packages. |
| 23:25.32 | Stanlin | ! libxfconf-0 |
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| 23:25.46 | Stanlin | !libxfconf-0 |
| 23:25.56 | jelly-home | dusty_: (google) search for "Cut Me Own Throat" ? |
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| 23:26.29 | DeSian | is IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11g supported under Debian? |
| 23:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | oholiab, I'd think it might be still the simplest to temporarily connect a monitor - and you don't need an install disk to reset the password (/msg dpkg ifrp ) |
| 23:26.35 | DeSian | pci WLAN |
| 23:26.45 | Seth_Hikaru | OMG this is 100% epic |
| 23:26.46 | Seth_Hikaru | http://www.xkcd.com/528/ |
| 23:26.48 | jelly-home | DeSian: in general yes. |
| 23:26.52 | Seth_Hikaru | you have to read this |
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| 23:27.07 | Seth_Hikaru | or you will have missed out on the best thing in life |
| 23:27.11 | DeSian | jelly-home: no ndiswrapper ? |
| 23:27.14 | DeSian | :) |
| 23:27.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hm, that (as one word) actually brings up http://ircarchive.info/debian/2007/5/10/1.html wtf is this? I thought public logging of this channel was strongly discouraged? |
| 23:27.57 | Stanlin | help,k what is the package name for libxfconf-0 ??? |
| 23:28.18 | SerajewelKS | how can i start a xephyr server with mesa-provided gl? |
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| 23:28.55 | theholyduck | CutMeOwnThroat, it happens :P |
| 23:28.58 | jelly-home | DeSian: the protocols are supported. What your hardware needs is a different issue |
| 23:29.12 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: uh, why would it be? |
| 23:29.15 | theholyduck | CutMeOwnThroat, there really isnt any reasonable way to stop it from happening |
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| 23:31.12 | karsten | Is there a sqlite CLI front-end? |
| 23:31.34 | karsten | Or alternatively, how do I find out what form data I've got saved in Iceweasel (sqlite storage of form data).' |
| 23:31.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, e.g. because of /msg dpkg logging (iirc policy is that logged channels should announce it) |
| 23:31.57 | jelly-home | karsten: um... /usr/bin/sqlite3 ? |
| 23:32.13 | Seth_Hikaru | hey is the package manager for Debian show like a list fo available things for a given category? |
| 23:32.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | theholyduck, yeah, I'm aware of that... well, how about shooting them and killing their family? |
| 23:32.20 | karsten | jelly-home: I'd checked path and aptitude first. Found ~97 packages. |
| 23:32.27 | karsten | jelly-home: What package for that? |
| 23:32.44 | jelly-home | karsten: sqlite3 ;-) |
| 23:33.19 | DeSian | jelly-home: if u r sure, i bay it? |
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| 23:33.28 | jelly-home | karsten: you need more sleep! |
| 23:33.39 | karsten | jelly-home: OK, the next questions' going to be really tough... |
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| 23:33.45 | karsten | jelly-home: Is that version 3 of sqlite? |
| 23:33.49 | karsten | ducks. |
| 23:33.56 | jelly-home | karsten: a woodchuck doesn't chuck wood |
| 23:34.05 | jelly-home | oh, I guessed wrong |
| 23:35.18 | jelly-home | \_o< \_o< \_o< \_o< .... \_o< |
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| 23:36.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, you got some absurd ideas there... |
| 23:36.47 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I've got one better. |
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| 23:37.09 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm going to create the best operating system on the planet, offer upgrades for free, make it all Just Work, and ... |
| 23:37.12 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: PROFIT! |
| 23:37.30 | karsten | jelly-home: Thanks for seeing me past my brain fart. |
| 23:37.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bill gates already did that... |
| 23:37.44 | jelly-home | seeing AND smelling |
| 23:37.48 | funky | simpsons already did that too |
| 23:38.07 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: He was stealing my best ideas. |
| 23:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, not only yours... |
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| 23:38.49 | karsten | needs to find a girlfreind named "Debbie". |
| 23:38.57 | karsten | We'll call it "kardeb" |
| 23:39.23 | jelly-home | DeSian: I have no idea about standalone cards, my intel ipw2915 is onboard (but looks like PCI!) |
| 23:39.45 | karsten | remembers when Ian Murdoch logged on to #debian ... and asked where Debian's name came from. |
| 23:39.50 | karsten | "Ask your wife" |
| 23:40.09 | funky | or google for it on you tablet pc |
| 23:40.32 | puff | Which version of bind has the security hole? |
| 23:40.43 | karsten | puff: Which security hole? |
| 23:40.44 | DeSian | jelly-home: in debian wiki i found no complete infos about pci |
| 23:40.47 | DeSian | wlan |
| 23:40.54 | SerajewelKS | is it even possible to use xephyr with mesa providing gl? |
| 23:41.05 | puff | karsten: Well, bind's acting funny and I vaguely remember some security hole in the past year or two... |
| 23:41.14 | karsten | puff: Most of the old ones have at least one. |
| 23:41.27 | puff | I started having problems with postfix, looks like it's something wrong with bind... host myhostname.com gives me SERVFAIL, I restarted bind and I got: |
| 23:41.30 | puff | http://pastebin.com/d28ef3c16 |
| 23:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, doh... he's born in the same town as I was and only one year older... |
| 23:41.44 | puff | Lines 60, 61, 62, 63, 108 and 113 are kinda worrisome. |
| 23:41.45 | karsten | puff: There was the port randomization fix for Kaminsky's bogus data injection. That was released in August. |
| 23:41.56 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Who's that? Murdoch? |
| 23:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, now you've ruined my day - I could have founded Debian ... heck |
| 23:42.05 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Heh. |
| 23:42.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's nearly as depressing as the guys who lived next to the Obamas must feel |
| 23:42.25 | jelly-home | puff: you got attacked by pirates? Hur-hur. |
| 23:42.38 | puff | Considering somebody else hosts my box's primary, and I only host secondary for two servers, one in the UK and one here in the US that has five or six domains.s |
| 23:43.17 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Don't ask me about my VA stock, please. |
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| 23:43.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, he was also already married! And that although his face kinda looks like a war-zone ... hell, I'm doing something wrong |
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| 23:44.29 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: You're from Indiana? |
| 23:44.32 | karsten | is a bit confuzzed. |
| 23:44.39 | karsten | ...which is perfectly normal. |
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| 23:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock |
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| 23:45.40 | jelly-home | puff: sorry, you just reminded me I can't read bind logs. Gone djbdns. |
| 23:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I don't really understand why the article has "Nationality American" (and not a dual nationality) if he was born in a small town in southern Germany... |
| 23:46.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps there are not so many similarities :) perhaps his parents were on vacation or something (*phew*) |
| 23:47.03 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I didn't know he was German, though I should've guessed it from the name ;-) |
| 23:47.10 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Five years younger than me. |
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| 23:47.21 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Very likely US military. |
| 23:47.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, the webpage doesn't say he is - just born there |
| 23:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, there is no us military in Konstanz |
| 23:47.45 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: 35 years ago? |
| 23:48.01 | karsten | Wow. He's divorced. |
| 23:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's bordering Switzerland - there'd been a Swiss outrage on that provocation - never! |
| 23:48.21 | karsten | http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/se/20070905/news01/709050331 |
| 23:48.39 | karsten | I guess Debian took her side. We've got DEBs but not IANs. |
| 23:48.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 23:48.49 | Stanlin | HElp!! is there any way to mix LAUNCH icons, with, TASKLIST ?? |
| 23:49.06 | jelly-home | Deb/Ian (AC/DC style) |
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| 23:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | wishes he had a filter that selectively removed /^help/i |
| 23:49.19 | puff | jelly-home: djbdns looks cool. |
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| 23:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, well, looks like he out-performs me bigtime anyway |
| 23:50.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh! |
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| 23:50.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | wb |
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| 23:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | --> jelly-home, well, looks like he out-performs me bigtime anyway |
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| 23:51.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | the name is not typically German |
| 23:51.32 | puff | Hm: http://pastebin.com/d274f9795 |
| 23:51.37 | puff | Problems with apt. |
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| 23:52.34 | lightcap | why does this line in an init script seem to make impossible to capture the last background process using $!? I jut want to write a pid file out so monit can keep track of the process: /bin/su $AMQ_USER -c "$CMD $1 >/dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 23:52.43 | sputnick | hi there. I'm on debian Lenny, my config is there http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=dec488341e28928a51d2535e66ca2a67f712e86a I CAN'T have any sound. |
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| 23:52.59 | sputnick | that's a fresh install of Lenny... |
| 23:53.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, and he must really be American and be born in Germany "by accident" - guess nobody would study in the US and pay a fortune on tuition fees when he can just as easily study in Germany without tuition fees and would be just as at home there/speak the language etc. |
| 23:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 23:53.53 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 23:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | sputnick, went through this? ^^ |
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| 23:54.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | aaah "Vice President of Cloud Computing Strategy at Sun." ... guy of my age... I better stop reading this |
| 23:55.09 | SerajewelKS | how can i install libgl1-mesa-swx11 alongside another gl driver such that i can use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to select pure-software mesa? |
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| 23:55.29 | SerajewelKS | it doesn't look like the packages are parallel-installable, but i see no reason why they should not be (since diversions can be used) |
| 23:56.47 | sharp15 | what package am i looking for to install mono on debian-testing? i'd like to use it to develop an application. (please no "use X language instead.") |
| 23:56.47 | sputnick | JESUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSS CHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRIST !!! |
| 23:56.48 | sputnick | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:57.01 | SerajewelKS | sharp15: mono-2.0-devel |
| 23:57.06 | sputnick | (mute on) mwa ha ha |
| 23:57.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15, apt-cache search mono --names-only for the full choice... |
| 23:57.34 | karsten | Weird. Tasks don't seem to be exiting ATM. |
| 23:58.00 | sputnick | never used mute in alsamixer |
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| 23:58.17 | sharp15 | CutMeOwnThroat: any idea how i'd tell which of those are in a default mono install? |
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| 23:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, ops, i switched from talking to you, karsten to prepending jellys nick... that comes from reading a lot of stuff in parallel to talking |
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| 23:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15, you get the package descriptions with apt-cache show <packagename> - I've never used mono myself, so no |
| 23:59.39 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I never do that. |
| 23:59.46 | SerajewelKS | sharp15: did you see what i said? |
| 23:59.47 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: or tab complete f-ups. |
