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| 00:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | never say never |
| 00:00.26 | sharp15 | SerajewelKS: yes. i'm just trying to figure out wether that will bring the runtimes and the ide(?)/forms editor with it. |
| 00:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | "oops" |
| 00:00.39 | SerajewelKS | sharp15: it will bring in the runtime |
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| 00:00.56 | sputnick | alsachecklist is relevant |
| 00:00.59 | SerajewelKS | sharp15: the C# compiler is written in C#, so i don't see how a development package for C# could work without the runtime |
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| 00:01.22 | pobega | So I'm having a LOT of problems with sound on Debian -- And I don't know where to start. |
| 00:01.38 | pobega | I've tried recompiling the alsa modules, reinstalling the Debian package, and none of it helps. |
| 00:01.38 | SerajewelKS | sharp15: monodevelop is an IDE for C# on linux -- 1.0 is a bit dated, but there is no newer stable release |
| 00:01.48 | pobega | At first it was just a popping noise that happened once in a while, but now I'm getting NO sound at all! |
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| 00:02.06 | sputnick | pobega: no need to compile modules/alsa |
| 00:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell pobega -about alsa checklist |
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| 00:02.27 | sharp15 | SerajewelKS: i'm used to things like C/C++ and the concept of parsed languages like python/perl/bash. i'm not very sure what C# is. |
| 00:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | pobega, see the pm from dpkg and go through that... |
| 00:03.09 | pobega | Hm, I forgot about alsaconf -- I guess I got so into fixing it that I skipped the obvious. Gonna try that out, thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:03.13 | SerajewelKS | sharp15: what language were you planning on coding using the mono runtime? |
| 00:03.24 | SerajewelKS | coding with* |
| 00:03.56 | sharp15 | SerajewelKS: C# i'm still becomming familiar with it. |
| 00:04.45 | SerajewelKS | sharp15: the nearest equivalent of C# is probably java. C# gets compiled to CIL (a bytecode language) which gets JIT-compiled at runtime. |
| 00:04.45 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever use curlftpfs or ssh2fs? |
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| 00:06.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, not even the ones who've used it |
| 00:06.40 | jelly-home | what's ssh2fs? |
| 00:06.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he means sshfs using ssh2 |
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| 00:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I wondered myself |
| 00:07.27 | jelly-home | batcoder-7: try asking your real question |
| 00:07.39 | Stanlin | Help!! how to browse the windows network? |
| 00:07.41 | batcoder-7 | well |
| 00:07.54 | pobega | My speakers still make a popping noise every once in a while, even after going through each step |
| 00:08.06 | batcoder-7 | i wonder if those are better then like those integrated things like tux commader has a built in thing to mount ftp's etc |
| 00:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | smbclient!!!!!!!1111111111234 |
| 00:08.40 | pobega | It's like, if my speakers are dormant and a sound comes on, it pops. But if my speakers are active (playing music, or a previous IM sound [three in a row or something]) there is no pop |
| 00:08.47 | jelly-home | batcoder-7: all apps work with them. Perhaps that's better for you. |
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| 00:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | pobega, oh... that's your speakers - they probably detect silence and switch off |
| 00:09.27 | pobega | CutMeOwnThroat: They haven't done this until...this morning |
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| 00:09.45 | jelly-home | pobega: it could also be your soundcard driver somehow gained power management |
| 00:10.02 | abrotman | or a short |
| 00:10.06 | mrec | hey I have a 5gig movie file on my nfs server, but the nfs client just sees 1.8 gig, any idea how to resolve that? |
| 00:10.15 | pobega | abrotman: I'm thinking that's probably it. |
| 00:10.17 | jelly-home | pobega: does it also happen a few seconds after all sound apps stop? |
| 00:10.22 | pobega | Yeah |
| 00:10.32 | pobega | Exactly jelly-home |
| 00:10.41 | jelly-home | pobega: did you upgrade the kernel recently? |
| 00:11.03 | pobega | jelly-home: Nope, I'm running a custom compiled 2.6.28.1, but it never did it before, and I've been running the same kernel for a few weeks |
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| 00:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | pobega, hmm... I wonder - my father had had speakers like that (or still has for all that I know) - I wonder if it could in some way be a the ... wossname transformator that adapts voltage etc. to the speakers needs |
| 00:11.29 | jelly-home | pobega: this symptom happens to me with a 2.6.28.1 custom, as well. And it's not that old |
| 00:11.32 | pobega | This laptop is still pretty new -- think I should contact Asus about a replacement? |
| 00:11.37 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: "I never" usually means something different ;-) |
| 00:11.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | pobega, my impression back then was, that that was really switching off the speakers.. but I never got down to it |
| 00:11.40 | pobega | Oh. So perhaps it's a bug then? |
| 00:11.54 | jelly-home | pobega: try going back to a debian kernel |
| 00:11.59 | pobega | I think I will try that. |
| 00:12.06 | jelly-home | "it's not a bug it's a feature" |
| 00:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, bah... pardon the non-native speaker. You have to use plain language. (I understand "fuck" wonderfully in all its nuances) |
| 00:12.27 | sharp15 | SerajewelKS: thanks. |
| 00:12.51 | SerajewelKS | sharp15: np |
| 00:13.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmm karsten http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/I_never |
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| 00:13.44 | jelly-home | pobega: 2.6.28.1 is dated Jan 18, so it can't really be "a few" weeks! :-> |
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| 00:13.49 | pobega | jelly-home: haha, I've heard that saying before, but do you think that's what it could be? |
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| 00:14.09 | pobega | I mean, could it possibly be some sort of power saving feature I had enabled? |
| 00:14.27 | jelly-home | it could be. |
| 00:14.41 | pobega | I'm instaling the Debian standard kernel now |
| 00:15.21 | jelly-home | pobega: my machine with the same symptom uses snd-hda-intel driver. I see there is a power_save module parameter. |
| 00:15.38 | pobega | jelly-home: that's probably it! How do I turn the parameter off? |
| 00:15.51 | aib42 | what's causing my console screen to become darker on a laptop? something in the standart debootstrap configuration.. |
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| 00:16.09 | pobega | I mean, it's a nice thought, but if every time I get an IM I hear my speakers sound like they are exploding I am gonna freak out |
| 00:16.17 | RayTracer | finally I succeeded in creating amanda-2.6.2alpha* .debs. w00t!! \o/ |
| 00:16.19 | RayTracer | if anyone needs the debian/rules and debian/*.files, please notify me. |
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| 00:16.40 | abrotman | RayTracer: you could send them to the maintainer ? |
| 00:16.42 | anewbie | is there someone here who use moc |
| 00:16.44 | anewbie | ? |
| 00:16.54 | pobega | anewbie: me |
| 00:16.59 | RayTracer | abrotman, good idea, I'll do that. |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | Mac-On-Crack ? |
| 00:17.06 | jelly-home | pobega: it's not good for the speakers, either |
| 00:17.13 | pobega | jelly-home: /etc/modprobe.d/sound? |
| 00:17.25 | pobega | jelly-home: options snd-hda-intel index=0 power_save=0 |
| 00:17.28 | pobega | Something like that? |
| 00:17.29 | anewbie | pobega, do you know what must be the reason why i can't moove the navigation |
| 00:17.32 | jelly-home | pobega: right |
| 00:17.34 | anewbie | i run it via ssh |
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| 00:18.09 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: The reason most foreigners (including Brits) think Americans have no sense of irony or sarcasm ... |
| 00:18.20 | pobega | anewbie: Hm. Not a clue. Sometimes thatt happens when Moc crashes and I kill it, then it fixes itself |
| 00:18.25 | jelly-home | pobega: rmmod and modprobing it back seems to have helped here |
| 00:18.28 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: ... is an utter failure to read our nuanced deadpan delivery. |
| 00:18.44 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: And yeah, I'm well aware it's a lot harder to pick up in a nonnative tongue. |
| 00:19.11 | pobega | jelly-home: didn't help me one bit |
| 00:19.13 | anewbie | i will try to run mocp -S and change the sons with mocp -f |
| 00:19.14 | anewbie | :D |
| 00:19.26 | jelly-home | pobega: hm. Dunno then |
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| 00:20.52 | pobega | jelly-home: Where did you find out about the power_save parameter |
| 00:20.52 | jelly-home | pobega: modinfo module-name |
| 00:21.18 | pobega | jelly-home: I'm not sure if that's the same feature |
| 00:21.21 | pobega | jelly-home: err, problem |
| 00:21.30 | pobega | jelly-home: Unless I am doing it wrong, haha |
| 00:21.39 | jelly-home | possibly it's not |
| 00:21.44 | pobega | jelly-home: I am currently doing `modprobe snd_hda_intel power_save=399` |
| 00:21.57 | pobega | Just to see if THAT works |
| 00:22.26 | pobega | where should I put the option to over ride EVERYTHING? |
| 00:22.34 | jelly-home | ? |
| 00:23.03 | pobega | jelly-home: I mean, the power_save parameter. What file should it go in? |
| 00:23.12 | pobega | /etc/modprobe.d/sound? |
| 00:23.23 | jelly-home | pobega: any file in /etc/modprobe.d/ ... that one would work |
| 00:23.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, also, irc/email etc are much more prone to misunderstandings etc. than spoken speech from a person present in the same room |
| 00:23.43 | abrotman | wot u sei? |
| 00:23.55 | pobega | jelly-home: I figured out the problem ... stupid eee_control script I installed had power_save set to 1!!! |
| 00:23.59 | pobega | Thanks a lot |
| 00:24.00 | dmi3on | can any one tell why vnc server works with sudo and with out sudo i can see only black dotted screen |
| 00:24.07 | liable | oh hai! |
| 00:24.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | pobega, mind, you have to remove the module with rmmod first for any options to take an effect (also check with dmesg if there are any errors because the option was not recognized) |
| 00:24.36 | jelly-home | can has cocoa and sleepies |
| 00:24.50 | pobega | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, I know that much. It seems that /etc/modprobe.d/eee_control had snd_hda_intel power_save=1 |
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| 00:25.01 | jelly-home | eeek |
| 00:25.05 | pobega | (eee_control is some stupid script I tried out for my Eee) |
| 00:25.06 | SerajewelKS | why would mesa's software-rendering libGL fail to work when used with LD_LIBRARY_PRELOAD? it seems to be segfaulting on any opengl command, after the opengl context has been successfully created. |
| 00:25.31 | pobega | Apparently thep erson maintaining it doesn't do it properly, even after purging it with aptitude that file apparently stayed. |
| 00:25.49 | jelly-home | pobega: I bet that script is not in debian? |
| 00:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | pobega, interesting... didn't know that feature existed... (pretty sure it was the external speakers in the case where I saw such behavior - also, that was a desktop windows machine and the speakers had external power supply) |
| 00:26.13 | pobega | jelly-home: If it was it would have package standards to stick to ;P |
| 00:26.28 | jelly-home | pobega: and now you know! |
| 00:26.45 | pobega | jelly-home: perfect example of why not to install non-official debs |
| 00:26.50 | pobega | le sigh...sorry for the troubl |
| 00:26.52 | pobega | trouble* |
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| 00:27.03 | pobega | going to contact the upstream author |
| 00:27.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | pobega, with a baseball-bat? |
| 00:27.27 | pobega | And an email :] |
| 00:27.28 | jelly-home | with a patch file! |
| 00:27.38 | pobega | Barely. All he needs to do is NOT set that one line |
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| 00:27.41 | pobega | Everything else is fine |
| 00:27.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, I thought 1st you hit 'em, then you can patch 'em up :) |
| 00:28.37 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: and you wonder why people use distros with friendly Codes of Conduct instead of d. |
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| 00:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, keeps the noobs away -> fine with me |
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| 00:30.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's extremely upsetting if there's a forum thread with someone who has *exactly* your problem and then people start explainig the use of "ls" to someone for 4 pages |
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| 00:30.08 | pobega | Honestly, he doesn't need to set it to 1. that's just stupid. |
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| 00:30.27 | pobega | The parameter is how many SECONDS until the speaker goes off |
| 00:30.31 | jelly-home | yep. |
| 00:30.33 | pobega | 180 would seem like a good value |
| 00:30.39 | pobega | Or something like that |
| 00:30.41 | jelly-home | but it SAVES BATTERY |
| 00:30.47 | pobega | I doubt by much |
| 00:31.01 | pobega | Wouldn't rmmod snd_hda_intel save more battery? |
| 00:31.05 | anewbie | guys is there some how a way to mount the harddiska of a local debian box to mine |
| 00:31.06 | anewbie | ? |
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| 00:31.16 | pobega | anewbie: nfs? |
| 00:31.24 | anewbie | ext3 |
| 00:31.30 | jelly-home | heh |
| 00:31.40 | pobega | anewbie: I mean nfs, networked file system :] |
| 00:31.55 | jelly-home | ponders adding a quote |
| 00:32.04 | anewbie | ou that will be pain in the ass |
| 00:32.27 | anewbie | i must browse the web to answer that question |
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| 00:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, sshfs? |
| 00:33.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | quite some latency with that, though |
| 00:33.59 | pobega | ooh |
| 00:34.05 | pobega | I want to be in a quote :] |
| 00:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, or samba |
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| 00:34.24 | anewbie | i am connected via ssh |
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| 00:34.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | pobega, just keep saying stupid things.... you're on your way :-P |
| 00:34.39 | anewbie | but i thin nfs is the thing i search for |
| 00:34.40 | pobega | CutMeOwnThroat: :] |
| 00:34.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, "apt-cache show sshfs" |
| 00:34.51 | pobega | Pfft, apt-cache. aptitude is where it's at |
| 00:35.02 | frostschutz | sshfs is nice but at the same time, a last resort when you can use real networked filesystems :) |
| 00:35.10 | anewbie | if i start nfs may i use fstab to mount the remonte hda |
| 00:35.11 | anewbie | ? |
| 00:35.24 | jelly-home | anewbie: yes |
| 00:35.26 | pobega | anewbie: I believe so, not 100% sure, never done it myself |
| 00:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | frostschutz, it's more secure than nfs "no fucking security" |
| 00:35.56 | RayTracer | performance may be void, though |
| 00:36.07 | jelly-home | gives CutMeOwnThroat specs for NFSv4 |
| 00:36.14 | frostschutz | you can make fstab entries for pretty much everything |
| 00:36.17 | anewbie | ok :) i will start it |
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| 00:36.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, oh yeah, that's encrypted, right? but wasnt it with a broken/faulty encryption method or something? |
| 00:37.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that was NIS |
| 00:37.18 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: dunno, I use insecure v3 anyway |
| 00:37.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh :) |
| 00:37.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, well, yuo can't look it up either, you just gave away the specs |
| 00:38.02 | frostschutz | CutMeOwnThroat: there's more to security than just an encrypted data transfer though |
| 00:38.05 | jelly-home | it be tunnnelered |
| 00:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's |
| 00:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssh tunneled nfs |
| 00:38.18 | dpkg | well, ssh tunneled nfs is http://www.samag.com/documents/s=4072/sam0203d/sam0203d.htm |
| 00:38.32 | aib42 | can anyone recommend a lightweight, extremely configurable window manager / desktop widget to use with Compiz? |
| 00:38.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I seriously wonder if that would have better performance than sshfs |
| 00:38.47 | jelly-home | nfs over ipsec is a-ok |
| 00:39.07 | dmoerner | aib42: compiz is a window manager. you can use it with lxde if you want |
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| 00:40.43 | aib42 | dmoerner: I'm not very familiar with the hierarchy, but I thought Compiz only managed desktops, i.e. the fancy stuff with the rotating cubes.. it lacks window decoration and, say a "desktop background" I can put pictures of funny cats on |
| 00:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 00:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show nfs-kernel-server ---> Depends: nfs-common (>= 1:1.0.8-1), ucf, lsb-base (>= 1.3-9ubuntu3) |
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| 00:42.07 | dmi3on | can any one tell why vncserver works with sudo and with out sudo i can see only black dotted screen |
| 00:42.09 | aib42 | I'm also not very familiar with Debian X packages. I'm currently downloading compiz-gtk to see what options it gives me |
| 00:42.15 | dmi3on | pleas i need help here |
| 00:42.17 | linux_stu | is it ok practice to run sid on a desktop? i am thinking of switching from lenny to sid |
| 00:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | why on earth would a debian package depend on an ubuntu version of a package |
| 00:42.40 | abrotman | linux_stu: basically the same at this point |
| 00:42.53 | linux_stu | ok |
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| 00:43.25 | nsadmin | linux_stu: you can do anything you want to... having said that, you should evaluate whether you feel up to solving problems that might come up |
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| 00:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmi3on, if you do get a window, I'd say it works in principle and is misconfigured |
| 00:43.59 | linux_stu | ok |
| 00:44.04 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: what package does that? |
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| 00:44.14 | streuner | scroll up |
| 00:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux_stu, you might /msg dpkg unstable |
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| 00:44.38 | dmi3on | CutMeOwnThroat, i have no idea how to configure |
| 00:44.39 | nsadmin | dunno if I have that much scrollback... I got here about 20 secs agl |
| 00:44.42 | dmi3on | can you help me |
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| 00:45.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, nfs-kernel-server |
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| 00:45.22 | nsadmin | wow |
| 00:45.26 | faffi | ok, i have a debian box that is offline and needs ethernet drivers compiled for it, how can i get build-essential onto this box? i tried using apt-zip but the computer has never had an internet connection to be able to que up the files it needs |
| 00:45.35 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: strings /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin | grep ubuntu - aparently some version-strings contain the u-word ;) |
| 00:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmi3on, did you try other vnc servers//clients (like x11vnc as a server) |
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| 00:45.55 | nsadmin | judd depends nfs-kernel-server |
| 00:45.55 | judd | nsadmin: nfs-kernel-server -- Depends: nfs-common (>= 1:1.0.8-1), ucf, lsb-base (>= 1.3-9ubuntu3), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libgssapi2, libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libnfsidmap2, librpcsecgss3, libwrap0 |
| 00:45.59 | aib42 | dmoerner: Ahh, the compiz-gtk package gave me gtk-window-decorator. Right now it looks like I'm running a fully functional X, with windows with titlebars, multiple desktops.... what would LXDE add or replace? |
| 00:46.05 | dmi3on | no |
| 00:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, yeah, so we'll all have to install ubuntu now... can't fulfill dependencies otherwise |
| 00:46.18 | nsadmin | oooh looky dat! |
| 00:46.22 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: crap |
| 00:46.34 | nsadmin | buggy buggy buggy as a stroller!! |
| 00:46.39 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: names are Schall und Rauch |
| 00:46.39 | linux_stu | the biggest problem i have is that i want openoffice 3, which doesn't even appear to be in sid yet |
| 00:46.59 | streuner | Tramp: hey, since when you speak german? :-) |
| 00:47.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, 77 hits for me! |
| 00:47.14 | Tramp | streuner: would have to ask my mother for details |
| 00:47.19 | abrotman | linux_stu: it's not |
| 00:47.21 | streuner | hm |
| 00:47.33 | nsadmin | good thing that package isn't of too great an importance |
| 00:47.48 | linux_stu | abrotman, :( |
| 00:48.05 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: 35 for me (lenny) |
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| 00:48.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, well, but that means we can't lart people anymore because they got a package with "ubuntu" in the name installed for running ubuntu... it might be Debian! |
| 00:48.52 | nsadmin | prepares a ubuntu debootstrap in a chroot on a raid of inexpensive mosquitoes! |
| 00:49.25 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: we cant? :-P |
| 00:49.31 | nsadmin | judd depends lsb-base |
| 00:49.32 | judd | nsadmin: lsb-base -- Depends: sed, ncurses-bin |
| 00:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, seems so |
| 00:49.49 | faffi | I have a debian box with no internet access that needs the build-essential package on it (including all its dependencies), apt-zip does not help since the box does not even know what the dependencies are, how can I get the packages? |
| 00:49.54 | streuner | only for a few packages? thats not enough ;-) |
| 00:50.03 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: funny enough, dpkg -l | grep ... shows, that I have none o f it installed - thus it's probably only unimportant stuff ;) |
| 00:50.31 | nsadmin | faffi: try to apt-get them and see if it will show you a list of em |
| 00:50.31 | linux_stu | how long would it typically take before a package like openoffice 3.0.0 (released october 13th) to be incorporated into sid? |
| 00:50.42 | nsadmin | then say no and get those another way |
| 00:51.03 | faffi | nsadmin: it doesnt show me a list it doesnt even know of the package |
| 00:51.05 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: that doesnt change the situation much... |
| 00:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, I think it might just be the versions in dependencies, as for nfs-kernel-server, not the packages itself |
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| 00:52.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, at least apt-cache show lsb-base |grep -i ubuntu doesnt show anything (that's the package that nfs-kernel-server depends on) |
| 00:52.17 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, because of the "<, >" whatever relations - right. So maybe it's some pretty "historical" stuff |
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| 00:52.45 | nsadmin | faffi: no way you could borrow a different nic? |
| 00:52.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions lsb-base |
| 00:52.59 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: lsb-base -- etch: 3.1-23.2etch1 lenny: 3.2-20 sid: 3.2-20 |
| 00:53.03 | nsadmin | err why is it not hetworked? |
| 00:53.30 | nsadmin | can judd do reverse depends? |
| 00:53.44 | streuner | ask stew |
| 00:53.48 | faffi | nsadmin: nope unfortunately cannot, what is a reverse depend |
| 00:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, actually all that doesn't make sense to me whatsoever - they all depend on >= 1.3-9ubuntu3 that's miles off from the lenny version string |
| 00:54.06 | faffi | nsadmin: i need to compile the newer drivers for it, the included ones dont work |
| 00:54.10 | nsadmin | a depend is "package A needs package B" |
| 00:54.42 | nsadmin | a reverse depend is "package B, C, D and E is needed by A" |
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| 00:55.28 | streuner | why not just use "rdepends"? |
| 00:55.29 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I think it's save: apt-cache --names-only search '.*bunt.*' only returns "gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks". |
| 00:55.33 | nsadmin | faffi: of what kernel version? |
| 00:55.39 | Tramp | s/save/safe/ |
| 00:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, hm, perhaps it's the same maintainer for the Debian and Ubuntu package and he's making one that works on both |
| 00:55.44 | nsadmin | let's try |
| 00:55.55 | nsadmin | judd rdepends lsb-base |
| 00:55.56 | judd | nsadmin: Error: "rdepends" is not a valid command. |
| 00:56.02 | nsadmin | nope... |
| 00:56.07 | nsadmin | !rdepends lsb-base |
| 00:56.10 | aib42 | how can I set up my .xinitrc? (I want it to run compiz && gtk-window-decorator && xterm but it only runs a single program) |
| 00:56.24 | nsadmin | !test\ |
| 00:56.27 | nsadmin | !test |
| 00:56.27 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 00:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, wouldn't be in the name - just in the version |
| 00:56.34 | nsadmin | nope again |
| 00:56.42 | aib42 | man xinit says it's a shell script but it runs without a #! line.. |
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| 00:56.52 | bits | DCC TSEND 12345678900987654322345678 |
| 00:56.53 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, right. |
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| 00:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe the version is included, though |
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| 00:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't grow old for some, does it? |
| 00:57.25 | nsadmin | !ops bits hacked some kind of dcc thingy |
| 00:57.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nsadmin complains about: bits hacked some kind of dcc thingy |
| 00:57.28 | streuner | nsadmin: nah, using apt-cache ... |
| 00:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, he left |
| 00:57.36 | Dopul | I'm using debian with 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686. I have 8 cpu and debian can see only 4. I'm using new 2 x Intel i7 Quad-Core Processor. What kernell or what version should i use ? |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | nsadmin: he'll get klined! |
| 00:57.47 | nsadmin | I know, I thought maybe he wasn't wanted back... |
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| 00:57.58 | nsadmin | eventually :P |
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| 00:58.09 | abrotman | i'm sure it's some proxy crap |
| 00:58.16 | streuner | hm |
| 00:58.22 | nsadmin | are there amd quad 64s? |
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| 00:59.17 | RayTracer | nsadmin, sure |
| 00:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, he'll probably switch nick and IP, then come back to repeat in private messages.... endless hours of fun |
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| 01:00.34 | martianixor | hi, Although the Link Red led is on while connecting the cable to my network card, I got No Such Device when I tried to restart my networking |
| 01:00.55 | martianixor | that was after trying to connect my PC with a laptop via cross over |
| 01:01.15 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-cache dump | grep -B1 'Version:.*bunt' <- maybe there is a better way, but apt-cache manual is too boring for me |
| 01:02.14 | pobega | Does anyone here use PulseAudio? Is it worth using? How are the wrappers around alsa, good? |
| 01:02.16 | martianixor | I get SIOCSIFADDR, the Network Card was functioning perfectly prior to that, I mean 15 minutes |
| 01:02.24 | nsadmin | martianixor: definitely, there's a network interface name in /etc/network/interfaces that doesn't match that of an existing interface... |
| 01:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, one hit |
| 01:02.34 | martianixor | 15 minutes ago* |
| 01:02.42 | nsadmin | there could be lots of reasons for tha |
| 01:02.45 | martianixor | nsadmin: actually not really |
| 01:02.46 | nsadmin | t |
| 01:02.47 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: really? which package? |
| 01:03.01 | martianixor | nsadmin: I don't get any ethx when I issue ifconfig -a |
| 01:03.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't read the dump properly :) |
| 01:03.14 | martianixor | nsadmin: I have only one IF which is eth0 |
| 01:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, but I got a suspicion |
| 01:03.34 | nsadmin | martianixor: is there an ethX mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:03.40 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, the -B1 in the grep should show the Package: - line |
| 01:03.42 | martianixor | nsadmin: yes |
| 01:03.59 | nsadmin | ok, so that explains the message you're getting |
| 01:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, I figured it should - but looks like the package name is missing... mmmm |
| 01:04.21 | martianixor | nsadmin: that makes me feel dump |
| 01:04.51 | martianixor | nsadmin: should I feel so? |
| 01:04.53 | nsadmin | it's probably the machine tried to load a module but failed... or didn't configure one... or something :) |
| 01:05.02 | nsadmin | no, why do that? :) |
| 01:05.05 | faffi | OMFG |
| 01:05.08 | faffi | sorry caps |
| 01:05.20 | dmi3on | hi all, i have a big problem all day no one can solve it, when i run vncserver with out sudo i get in viewer only black dotted screent when i run with sudo everything works fine |
| 01:05.26 | nsadmin | this is all about disco vering the problem |
| 01:05.27 | faffi | nsadmin: i compiled the newer driver on my other box that had the same kernel version and it gave me an eth interfaced |
| 01:05.30 | faffi | :D |
| 01:05.36 | faffi | im disco'ing the cable on here to see if it works |
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| 01:05.43 | dmi3on | CutMeOwnThroat, same problem |
| 01:05.52 | dmi3on | CutMeOwnThroat, same black dotted screen |
| 01:05.59 | nsadmin | discos down to check out the show |
| 01:06.01 | cusco | hi |
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| 01:06.03 | martianixor | nsadmin: thanks so much |
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| 01:06.19 | cusco | is there a way to install open office writer only instead of the whole suit? |
| 01:06.23 | OMGLOLPANTS | dcc tsend I123456789098765432345 |
| 01:06.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, http://pastebin.com/f53228cff - I think that might have been the Jabref package - I installed the ubuntu package after someone had reported a bug in Ubuntu in the Jabref forum (and as it's just a java program, there are no dependencies problems) |
| 01:06.29 | bits | cusco: your distro sucks |
| 01:06.30 | OMGLOLPANTS | Yes |
| 01:06.35 | OMGLOLPANTS | Download the package |
| 01:06.48 | cusco | bits: why? |
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| 01:07.00 | OMGLOLPANTS | Cusco: dont tell him the truth |
| 01:07.03 | bits | cusco: because everyone knows debian is a failure |
| 01:07.08 | nsadmin | !ops bits and OMGLOLPANTS |
| 01:07.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nsadmin complains about: bits and OMGLOLPANTS |
| 01:07.23 | OMGLOLPANTS | No thanks |
| 01:07.28 | OMGLOLPANTS | I don't want ops |
| 01:07.33 | nsadmin | I'm guessing they see you anyway |
| 01:07.34 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, so you're to blame. |
| 01:07.35 | bits | same here |
| 01:07.38 | martianixor | shall never stay away from computers for along time ever again |
| 01:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, yeah, blame the poor merchant... |
| 01:07.48 | cusco | OMGLOLPANTS: I don't find packages for oowriter |
| 01:07.57 | cusco | I only found one for the whole suit |
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| 01:08.11 | OMGLOLPANTS | Compile it? |
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| 01:08.27 | jelly-home | abrotman: and bits? |
| 01:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | cusco, openoffice.org-writer package? |
| 01:08.34 | bits | sux 4 u omg |
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| 01:08.36 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 01:08.39 | bits | DCC TSEND 12345678900987654322345678 |
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| 01:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | you forgot a bit there :) |
| 01:09.14 | nsadmin | or at least two |
| 01:09.20 | jelly-home | some people need their routers fixed |
| 01:09.23 | cusco | ah right.. searching for oo writer did not return it but open office writer did - lol thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:10.03 | aib42 | how can I prevent gdm from running at startup? I know there are a few ways, but which one is the easiest? I'd like to configure my default display manager to "none" if that is possible |
| 01:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, yeah, that's the annoying bit about sweeping - you think you got all the crap swept up, but there are always some bits hidden away in a corner |
| 01:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | aib42, uninstall gdm is the easiest |
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| 01:11.01 | nsadmin | maybe a few kibbles too |
| 01:11.15 | nsadmin | throws kibbles at bits |
| 01:11.20 | RayTracer | aib42, probably "update-rc.d -f gdm remove" |
| 01:11.57 | aib42 | ah, update-rc.d |
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| 01:12.00 | Tramp | !tell aib42 about nodm |
| 01:12.01 | RayTracer | btw, I like the concept of suse&rh of runlevel 3 being console only |
| 01:12.01 | Kurogane | any1 can help me with this problem http://pastebin.com/d4bc0318b is come when i boot up the installer |
| 01:12.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. shall we make bets on how long it'll take them to return? |
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| 01:12.16 | Tramp | aib42: see the last entry (echo false ...) |
| 01:12.20 | aib42 | well gdm was automatically installed to satisfy a dependency. actually, maybe it's no longer needed, how do I remove such packages? |
| 01:12.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | aib42, apt-get remove gdm |
| 01:12.48 | Tramp | aib42: the message I sent you tells you about that too. please read it |
| 01:12.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | aib42, hmmm.. ha - you're right, if X depends on it, it might not be the easiest way :) |
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| 01:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, oh, didn't see that |
| 01:13.41 | Tramp | no prbb |
| 01:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice factoid |
| 01:13.47 | aib42 | no, no. how do I delete Automatically installed packages ("A" flag in aptitude) that are no longer needed? aptitude occasionally does that for me, I want a manual command, though |
| 01:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | forgot about it |
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| 01:14.15 | aib42 | yes nice factoid indeed. I think I'll go the default-window-manager way. |
| 01:14.25 | nsadmin | came up recently... because debian loads modules for pcmcia cards so soon after turning power on, one particular driver times out without detecting presence of the hardware |
| 01:14.28 | Tramp | !tell aib42 about autoremove |
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| 01:15.25 | aib42 | <dpkg> [...] Ask me a [snip] <dpkg> rkauto>. |
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| 01:16.27 | Tramp | !autoremove |
| 01:16.27 | dpkg | i guess autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed. Aptitude will try to automatically remove packages that it thinks are no longer needed and from lenny onwards, so will apt-get and synaptic. If you remove a package that also causes a large metapackage like gnome to be autoremoved then this will cause you problems. Ask me about <unmarkauto>. |
| 01:17.32 | cusco | I have a card reader in the laptop - I just inserted a card and I see teh following on dmesg:http://rafb.net/p/OR02Ym44.html (just those initial lines - I also want to ask about the remaining lines on dmesg) |
| 01:17.38 | cusco | do I need any driver? |
| 01:18.33 | aib42 | ok one more thing. how can I see what depends on gdm? Actually, nothing depends on gdm as aptitude doesn't complain about trying to remove it. What suggests or recommends gdm? |
| 01:18.56 | aib42 | s/What/How can I learn what |
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| 01:19.02 | Circuitsoft | aib42: Go to aptitude, find gdm, and press enter on it. |
| 01:19.07 | Circuitsoft | Then scroll down. |
| 01:19.13 | cusco | aib42: apt-cache rdepends gdm |
| 01:19.14 | Circuitsoft | cusco: Looks like the driver is loaded already. |
| 01:19.20 | cusco | rdepends as in reverse dependencies |
| 01:19.38 | aib42 | oops I should have known that. thanks |
| 01:19.45 | jelly-home | cusco: your card is recognized and devices created (/dev/mspblk0*), but it seems the driver is quite buggy |
| 01:19.50 | cusco | Circuitsoft: but I only have /dev/sda or what is the device to mount? |
| 01:19.51 | cusco | ahhhh |
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| 01:20.37 | Circuitsoft | cusco: Probably /dev/mspblk0 |
| 01:20.49 | ekke | hi im trying to upgrade to lenny from etch and when i run aptitude full-upgrade, it says Unknown command |
| 01:20.56 | cusco | Circuitsoft: thanks |
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| 01:21.04 | martianixor | nsadmin: actually I'm not sure how to go about resolving that Network Card issue, I mean should I try to modprobe eth1394 or it's another module? I've commented out everything inside the interfaces file |
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| 01:21.54 | nsadmin | you can try that and see... then ifconfig -a |
| 01:22.09 | martianixor | nsadmin: done ifconfig -a got absolutely nothing |
| 01:22.20 | bradd | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.23 | nsadmin | insert the module first :) |
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| 01:22.32 | martianixor | nsadmin: of course mii-tool no devices |
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| 01:22.52 | martianixor | nsadmin: I did prior to ifconfig -a did modprobe eth1394 |
| 01:22.54 | nsadmin | ohh. so that module doesn't see your nic |
| 01:23.03 | blxd | anyone know why etch kernel would run a lot faster than lenny on a core 2 duo |
| 01:23.09 | Circuitsoft | bradd: Not sure how, but you probably need to delete your udev cache. |
| 01:23.17 | Circuitsoft | Your new nic is probably eth2 |
| 01:23.28 | martianixor | Circuitsoft: nope |
| 01:23.31 | bradd | dmesg is telling me its eth0 |
| 01:23.35 | nsadmin | he'd see that in ifconfig -a |
| 01:23.48 | martianixor | nsadmin: the card Red Link led is On |
| 01:24.00 | martianixor | nsadmin: I'm not sure if that necessarily mean it's not faulty |
| 01:24.18 | martianixor | nsadmin: in terms of hardware God forbids :-( |
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| 01:24.55 | bradd | when i 'ifconfig eth0 up 10.0.0.6' I get 'eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags : No such device" |
| 01:25.16 | Circuitsoft | bradd: lspci | fgrep Eth |
| 01:25.19 | RayTracer | martian67, you should be able to "ifconfig eth0 up" even without a link, looks like a driver issue |
| 01:25.24 | blxd | is it possible to use 2.6.18 etch kernel running lenny? |
| 01:25.29 | RayTracer | martianixor, ^^ |
| 01:25.31 | martianixor | nsadmin: sorry forgot to mention |
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| 01:25.54 | martianixor | nsadmin: I tried ifconfig eth0 "IP" |
| 01:25.56 | bradd | Circuitsoft, it is showing both my wired nics and my atheros wireless |
| 01:26.09 | Circuitsoft | bradd: What chipsets are they? |
| 01:26.10 | nsadmin | bradd: any eths in ifconfig -a? lately we've seen cases where interfaces get renamed |
| 01:26.21 | martianixor | got error fetching Interface Information: Device not found |
| 01:26.43 | martianixor | RayTracer: Oh thanks |
| 01:27.38 | bradd | nsadmin, wow, you are right.. ifconfig eth7 up 10.0.0.4 gives me -> r8169: eth7: link up |
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| 01:28.16 | bradd | nsadmin, any way to have it go back to eth0? |
| 01:28.17 | martianixor | RayTracer: The actual problem is I don't know how come it's a driver issue, this NIC was functioning perfectly well half an hour ago |
| 01:28.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | bradd, what is it on now? |
| 01:28.56 | bradd | eth7 |
| 01:29.26 | bradd | maybe debian remembers mac addresses and re-assigns if the old mac is different, or something like that? |
| 01:29.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... edit the udev rules |
| 01:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why it changed in the first place |
| 01:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | just have to look up what the file was |
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| 01:30.11 | Tramp | !z25 |
| 01:30.12 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 01:30.26 | Tramp | bradd: ^^ |
| 01:30.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, I had just found it! |
| 01:30.30 | bradd | thank you |
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| 01:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | kind of.. funny, I don't have z25-anything |
| 01:31.23 | jelly-home | i eated it |
| 01:31.29 | kingsley | Is avahi-daemon broken in unstable? At least for me, it fails to find anything other than the computer it's run on, and if ipv6 is disabled, it doesn't even find that. |
| 01:31.34 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: z70? |
| 01:31.34 | RayTracer | martianixor, tried to unplug the jack and just "ifconfig eth0 up"? maybe you have also another module loaded which claims responsible for the device, blocking the real and functioning driver from accessing it |
| 01:31.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | no ... some z60's which are not eth |
| 01:32.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny |
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| 01:32.18 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: or rather just 70- (without z) |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: numbers changed with lenny |
| 01:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, there is 70-persistent-net.rules |
| 01:32.46 | martianixor | RayTracer: I can try, also I might take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, I'd be amazed if it has been changed automagically |
| 01:32.48 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: that's it |
| 01:32.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 01:33.22 | Tramp | !70 |
| 01:33.22 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 01:33.29 | martianixor | RayTracer: well I did and I remember trying that before, I got ignoring unknown interface |
| 01:33.37 | Tramp | ah - same factoid |
| 01:33.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... not so convincing with telling us about both names, though |
| 01:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it does :) |
| 01:34.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... I see... finally I understand why it's so hard for many people to read whole factoids :) |
| 01:34.45 | RayTracer | martianixor, what device is this? try googling for the pci id and known issues (and hopefully solutions) |
| 01:36.18 | martianixor | RayTracer: this is really very weird, all I tried to do was just connecting the PC to a laptop via cross over cable(which has been tested like 3 times before and working very well), I mean it was just an innocent act :-( |
| 01:36.53 | RayTracer | martianixor, well the best answer I can come up with is "shit happens"... |
| 01:37.48 | martianixor | RayTracer: Oh wait, when you issue dmesg, do you get empty space at the begining of all the lines before the numbers between the square brackets ? |
| 01:37.57 | RayTracer | computer systems get more and more non-deterministic nowadays |
| 01:38.29 | martianixor | an empty space for like 4 digits |
| 01:38.35 | RayTracer | martianixor, not any more, 2d uptime now |
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| 01:39.39 | sputnick | what are you thinking you guys of auto-apt ? |
| 01:40.00 | sputnick | do you feel it reliable ? |
| 01:40.37 | sputnick | *it's* |
| 01:42.27 | blxd | can anyone recommend how to improve fonts in debian default install w/ gnome? |
| 01:43.17 | stoned | good freakin evening after 2 days |
| 01:43.19 | beefsalad | imstall more fonts, use antialiased ones |
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| 01:43.46 | blxd | beefsalad: with apt-get ? |
| 01:43.53 | stoned | blxd, enable anti alias in gnome, to enable hinting regardless of DE I think you can dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 01:44.02 | blxd | thank |
| 01:44.03 | blxd | you |
| 01:44.14 | stoned | enable hinting always |
| 01:44.24 | stoned | you can have a few more fonts in gtk2 if you enable bitmapped fonts too |
| 01:44.42 | martianixor | how come I forgot to lspci for the chipset |
| 01:44.50 | stoned | martianixor, how should we know? |
| 01:45.08 | blxd | default is looking like no good, huge, handicap |
| 01:45.54 | martianixor | stoned: telepathy? |
| 01:46.31 | stoned | blxd, I'm not a gnome user |
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| 01:46.36 | stoned | I've no idea :) |
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| 01:46.54 | blxd | I might not be anymore :) |
| 01:47.21 | blxd | windows keep shitting themselves, even with nvidia drivers installed everything runs horrible |
| 01:47.54 | blxd | I install etch and seems minor improvement over lenny, weird to me |
| 01:48.04 | martianixor | RayTracer: It's not listed by lspci, should I look somewhere else for the chipset before trying to read it of the Card it's self |
| 01:48.10 | martianixor | it* |
| 01:48.19 | martianixor | err, itself* |
| 01:48.38 | martianixor | s/of/off/g |
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| 01:50.11 | RayTracer | well, seems that any info you can get about the card and issues with it could help. if you can revert to previous status by eg. undoing what you did (kernel/initrd update?), go ahead |
| 01:51.17 | martianixor | RayTracer: nothing absolutely nothing of that nature, all I did was plugging a cross over cable then changing the connection settings as accordingly |
| 01:51.39 | martianixor | s/as//g |
| 01:53.10 | martianixor | It seems to be a hardware/kernel issue now, don't you agree? |
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| 01:53.26 | RayTracer | hm, running out of ideas now |
| 01:53.48 | martianixor | RayTracer: thank you so much :-) |
| 01:54.27 | RayTracer | was there a lightning on plugging in? discharged current frying the hardware? ... you see, running out of ideas |
| 01:55.00 | martianixor | RayTracer: actually no, I would've figured out it has fired the NIC |
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| 01:56.29 | martianixor | s/fired/fried/g O.o weird typos |
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| 01:57.40 | RayTracer | that's the ghost in the machine silently remapping your keyboard ;-) |
| 01:58.17 | martianixor | RayTracer: hahaha yeah :-) |
| 01:58.26 | Circuitsoft | That's the automatic spellchecker included in your keyboard controller. |
| 01:58.37 | Circuitsoft | (Who knew an i8048 could do that much...) |
| 01:58.50 | RayTracer | adapting to most currently used words, eh? |
| 01:58.58 | Circuitsoft | maybe. |
| 01:59.05 | Circuitsoft | I certainly know an 8048 can't run Windows. |
| 01:59.25 | Circuitsoft | There is one in the power window controller in my car, and it puts them down randomly, usually when I'm not in the car. |
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| 01:59.43 | martianixor | let's see what changing the PCI in use could do ..... |
| 02:00.04 | Circuitsoft | How can you switch to a different PCI? |
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| 02:00.07 | Circuitsoft | I'm confused. |
| 02:00.35 | RayTracer | plug out nic, plug into next pci slot? |
| 02:00.44 | Circuitsoft | ah, slot. |
| 02:01.15 | martianixor | Oh yes sorry PCI slot |
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| 02:07.03 | ekke | hi im trying to upgrade to lenny but cant do full-upgrade or dist-upgrade can some have a look at my sources.list and look if i did something wrong there ?? http://paste.debian.net/27531/ |
| 02:08.55 | abrotman | ekke: use a pastebin for the error |
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| 02:10.01 | ekke | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/27532/ |
| 02:10.22 | aib42 | what's a good aptitude alternative for X ? |
| 02:10.31 | abrotman | ekke: aptitude install dpkg aptitude .. then try again |
| 02:10.40 | abrotman | aib42: no such thing |
| 02:10.45 | asg | aib42: aptitude in an xterm |
| 02:10.48 | Circuitsoft | aib42: synaptic |
| 02:10.53 | stoned | adept for kde may come close I'm not sure |
| 02:10.58 | stoned | aptitude has its own gui |
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| 02:11.04 | abrotman | oh .. i misread |
| 02:11.05 | aib42 | and I like it ^^ |
| 02:11.11 | abrotman | i thought he wanted an alternative for X :) |
| 02:11.15 | stoned | heh |
| 02:11.24 | stoned | alternative for X? uhm... winforms |
| 02:11.25 | aib42 | erm Xfree, I guess :D |
| 02:11.30 | stoned | xp pro ftw! |
| 02:11.35 | stoned | j/k |
| 02:11.36 | ekke | abrotman, it dosent install anything |
| 02:11.45 | abrotman | ekke: did you run aptitude update first ? |
| 02:11.48 | Circuitsoft | ekke: try dist-upgrade |
| 02:12.01 | stoned | nothing will happen until you update the package cache |
| 02:12.04 | stoned | er. lists |
| 02:12.05 | ekke | abrotman, yes |
| 02:12.17 | abrotman | ekke: dpkg -l aptitude dpkg .. put it in a pastebin |
| 02:12.18 | Circuitsoft | Your error is "unknown command" |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | yes, but that's not really his problem |
| 02:13.11 | Circuitsoft | Is full-upgrade valid in newer aptitude versions? |
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| 02:13.28 | ekke | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/27534/ |
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| 02:13.56 | abrotman | ekke: you still have the etch version of aptitude .. apt-cache policy aptitude .. does the candidate match the installed ? |
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| 02:14.58 | ekke | abrotman, yes , but it say something abaut lenny after that |
| 02:15.09 | abrotman | ekke: pastebin! |
| 02:15.16 | abrotman | :) |
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| 02:15.35 | ekke | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/27535/ |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | ekke: do you have a /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 02:16.43 | ekke | abrotman, yes did one when installed flash |
| 02:16.50 | abrotman | ekke: pastebin it please |
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| 02:17.33 | ekke | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/27536/ |
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| 02:17.59 | martianixor | huh it worked |
| 02:18.33 | abrotman | ekke: mv /etc/apt/preferences /etc/apt/_preferences |
| 02:18.47 | abrotman | ekke: then "aptitude install dpkg aptitude" .. then "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 02:18.59 | abrotman | oh .. do an aptitude update before you install stuff |
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| 02:19.56 | ekke | abrotman, its seems to be working now = ) thx |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | ekke: enjoy |
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| 02:21.41 | blxd | anyone know why lenny kernel would run noticably slower than etch kernel? |
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| 02:23.18 | dondelelcaro | blxd: could be lots of things; depends on what you're doing |
| 02:23.36 | blxd | dondelelcaro: default install, on both lenny and etch, core2duo |
| 02:24.14 | blxd | I noticed lenny kernel throttles my CPU |
| 02:24.47 | aib42 | anyone know why GUI window scrolling would be much slower with compiz than bare LXDE? |
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| 02:26.56 | dondelelcaro | blxd: that's almost always what you want |
| 02:27.03 | Circuitsoft | aib42 - because there's a lot more processing involved. |
| 02:27.06 | dondelelcaro | blxd: what precisely is slower about it? |
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| 02:27.17 | blxd | dondelelcaro: loading apps in X11 |
| 02:27.44 | dondelelcaro | blxd: how are you measuring it? |
| 02:28.02 | blxd | I just feel it |
| 02:28.10 | blxd | also counting the time it takes to load etc |
| 02:28.12 | aib42 | Circuitsoft: I'm talking about ~%90 CPU usage and simple scrollable windows becoming unusable. shouldn't be THAT more processing.. |
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| 02:28.55 | dondelelcaro | well, there's a huge difference between the applications that are shipped with lenny and etch; there's also a lot of difference between loading processes the first time and after libraries are in shared memory |
| 02:29.10 | Circuitsoft | aib42: Depends on your resolution, video card, and processor. |
| 02:29.13 | blxd | I see |
| 02:29.28 | Circuitsoft | Bare lxde, scrolling is just scrolling. |
| 02:29.53 | \amethyst | aib42: what Xorg driver are you using? perhaps you aren't getting any 3D acceleration |
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| 02:30.03 | Circuitsoft | With compiz, every screen update gets pushed to an OpenGL surface, at which point whatever 3d driver you're using texture maps it to where the window actually is. |
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| 02:30.12 | Circuitsoft | aib42: glxinfo |
| 02:30.20 | Circuitsoft | aib42: glxinfo | fgrep -i direct |
| 02:30.25 | stoned | \amethyst, hey dude |
| 02:30.44 | stoned | \amethyst, php gtk is built!! I'm cleaning things up now! :) |
| 02:30.48 | aib42 | oh yes, direct rendering is enabled. |
| 02:31.10 | aib42 | though I'm using a default X -config configuration |
| 02:31.11 | Circuitsoft | aib42: What's your hardware and resolution? |
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| 02:34.03 | aib42 | Circuitsoft: Intel 945GM (laptop, integrated) - resolution is native @ 1280x800 |
| 02:34.51 | aib42 | x24 |
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| 02:35.16 | aib42 | Section "Device" - Option "DRI" is not set. (but glxinfo says I'm using DRI) |
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| 02:36.55 | faffi | nsadmin: it what kernel 2.6.26, my laptop was updated and i had forgotten that i used a daily snapshot of lenny so i had the same kernel versions :) |
| 02:37.02 | faffi | it was* |
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| 02:38.38 | homecable | what packages do i need to complie a kernel with ? |
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| 02:39.21 | aib42 | homecable: linux-source-* + kernel-package for make-kpkg |
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| 02:41.01 | aib42 | hoarycripple: and linux-headers-* for .config, I think |
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| 02:42.06 | twiadpaws | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.29 | twiadpaws | guess wrong chan |
| 02:43.12 | upIRC | too quiet in here? |
| 02:43.35 | upIRC | 678 usera lowest i have seen, it. |
| 02:43.50 | homecable | apt-get install build-essential gcc kernel-package libncurses5 libncurses5-dev zlib1g zlib1g-dev |
| 02:43.52 | homecable | ? |
| 02:43.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, we're at an all-time low |
| 02:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | lying low |
| 02:44.14 | homecable | i'm using testing :P |
| 02:44.14 | upIRC | Lenny, could be the reason? |
| 02:44.38 | upIRC | I have been using lenny for approx 12 months, no probs. |
| 02:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | homecable, build-essential and kernel-headers |
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| 02:45.32 | homecable | i'm wanting to know what i need to have to complie a new kernel |
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| 02:45.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yes and make-kpkg |
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| 02:45.57 | homecable | making a grsec kernel |
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| 02:48.09 | aib42 | kernel-package doesn't depend on (or suggest/recommend) zlibg1-dev, so when you run make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image it gives an error. |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | it doesn't have to depend on it |
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| 02:52.53 | upIRC | This reminds me when i wa using sarge, compiling kernels. You need additional software from the repo, and it don't tell you what you need, you just get errors |
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| 02:53.52 | abrotman | maybe you shouldn't be compiling kernels then :) |
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| 02:54.05 | upIRC | i been doin it for years m8 |
| 02:54.18 | abrotman | and you still can't spell ... |
| 02:54.21 | karikari | ok i need to reinstall grub to the hard drive after windows messed it up, I booted the debian cd, mounted the linux root fs and chrooted into it, but I need to mount /dev inside the chroot, any tips on how to do that? |
| 02:54.29 | upIRC | oh shyit |
| 02:54.42 | karikari | mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /dev resulted in empty directory |
| 02:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, compiling kernels teaches you spelin? We should put kernel-compiling computers in every classroom! |
| 02:55.55 | upIRC | we should have a grand unified howto |
| 02:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | karikari, shouldn't it be devfs for /dev? |
| 02:56.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | tmpfs == swap? |
| 02:56.35 | karikari | CutMeOwnThroat, well, doing $ mount says "tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=755) |
| 02:56.40 | upIRC | there are alot of lose ends with this OS at the moment, And it is upsetting coz it my bestest |
| 02:56.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | upIRC, yeah "Life - miniHowto" |
| 02:56.57 | aib42 | karikari: exit; mount --move /dev /system/dev; chroot /system ? |
| 02:57.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | karikari, which is wrong - and it's actually udev at least on lenny |
| 02:57.30 | upIRC | CutMeOwnThroat: just a kernel howto, will do. |
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| 02:57.51 | dondelelcaro | upIRC: the kernel howto is to use Debian's kernels; there's almost never a need not to use them |
| 02:58.00 | compengi | how do you install dev libraries for mysql? isn't through 'apt-get build-dep mysql'? |
| 02:58.00 | dondelelcaro | upIRC: and the times when you do, /msg dpkg kernel mantra |
| 02:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell upIRC about kernel compile |
| 02:58.13 | karikari | aib42, thanks, worked, thanks! |
| 02:58.32 | dondelelcaro | compengi: you presumably just want libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 02:58.48 | compengi | dondelelcaro, will try it |
| 02:58.50 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps, just libmysql-client-dev) |
| 02:58.51 | karikari | CutMeOwnThroat, okay, I didn't have a clue, just assumed it was tmpfs from the mount output :) |
| 02:58.55 | dondelelcaro | compengi: what are you trying to build? |
| 02:59.04 | compengi | dondelelcaro, stats server |
| 02:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | upIRC, but yeah - I agree to that as well - there's pretty few reasons to compile a kernel |
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| 03:00.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | karikari, if you don't have udev, nothing is mounted on /dev - it's a static part of / |
| 03:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | karikari, what version of Debian are you running? |
| 03:00.53 | upIRC | I have done it in the past, and had many success. This is why I use Debian. But it wasn't easy to find the relevant informtion when i needed it. |
| 03:01.19 | karikari | CutMeOwnThroat, okay, this was just alt+f2 from the "testing" install cd |
| 03:01.20 | dondelelcaro | compengi: which stats server? |
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| 03:01.34 | Thasp | i can't use any of my screens, it keeps blinking CIFS VFS: : erite 2 ret -13, wrote - |
| 03:01.38 | Thasp | -0 |
| 03:01.40 | upIRC | and opening README.gz don't do you any favours |
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| 03:01.45 | Thasp | i can't even see what im typing since that keep sscrolling by |
| 03:01.47 | dondelelcaro | upIRC: which README.gz? |
| 03:01.48 | karikari | CutMeOwnThroat, or wait, it was a lenny cd |
| 03:01.50 | compengi | dondelelcaro, denora |
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| 03:01.54 | upIRC | it's poorly formatted |
| 03:01.55 | Thasp | is there a wayi can kill all my cifs processes so that stops |
| 03:02.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | karikari, testing should use udev - but I've never needed to mount that myself .... lenny IS testing at the moment |
| 03:02.07 | compengi | dondelelcaro, although that library currently worked |
| 03:02.12 | upIRC | dondelelcaro: THE kernel guide, or whatever |
| 03:02.33 | dondelelcaro | upIRC: which kernel guide? |
| 03:02.34 | karikari | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, I don't know, the problem is solved anyhow :), thank you for your time! |
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| 03:03.22 | upIRC | !tell dondelelcaro about kernel compile |
| 03:03.23 | dondelelcaro | about the only thing I can think of that's marginally related is the howto for kernel-package, and that pretty much insures that you've got what you need to compile a kernel |
| 03:03.24 | aib42 | karikari: did the same thing a few days ago, to debootstrap+bootload a brand new debian installation |
| 03:03.35 | upIRC | dondelelcaro: that one |
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| 03:04.03 | dondelelcaro | upIRC: what about it? it's a text file |
| 03:04.08 | upIRC | your need a damn site more than kernel-package |
| 03:04.27 | karikari | aib42, okay, nice :) it worked like a charm :) |
| 03:04.33 | upIRC | dondelelcaro: yeah it's poorly formatted |
| 03:04.46 | dondelelcaro | upIRC: kernel-package depends, recommends, or suggests everything else you need |
| 03:05.01 | linux2 | I got a question about a panasonic kx-d4920 data terminal. I am trying to set this up to work as a printer in cups. I am getting the "printer" to output random text at the moment but I have no idea how to interface with this old data terminal. I am using a parallel port on the back of the printer connected to the parallel port on this laptop. Any ideas? |
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| 03:06.58 | aib42 | dondelelcaro: no, it does no such thing for, say, "zlibg1-dev" which is needed by the kernel_image target |
| 03:07.09 | aib42 | in lenny at least |
| 03:07.45 | upIRC | aib42: it'll moan until you have installed atleast 4 packages that you didn't know about. |
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| 03:08.02 | upIRC | and there is always dh_make |
| 03:08.18 | upIRC | which requires another package |
| 03:08.25 | aib42 | upIRC: which is what you've been trying to say :) I know. but maybe people are right in saying that it shouldn't be a problem for experienced users |
| 03:08.39 | aib42 | and newbies should not be going around compiling custom kernels in debian |
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| 03:09.04 | upIRC | aib42: yes very true, but the truth is you need google to compile, becuae your in a box |
| 03:09.29 | upIRC | the shell could be more intuitive |
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| 03:10.10 | upIRC | what would be good, is if you could jut type what you want. |
| 03:10.12 | dondelelcaro | upIRC: uh... it shouldn't require either; it doesn't use dh_make either |
| 03:10.57 | dondelelcaro | (and if it actually does require zlib1g-dev, it's a bug that it doesn't depend, recommend, or suggest it) |
| 03:12.00 | blxd | is firefox in nonfree repo? |
| 03:12.03 | upIRC | i was going to install lenny on my new lappy, but i think i install gentoo. too many x changes for my comfort |
| 03:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | blxd, no, but rebranded to iceweasel |
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| 03:12.43 | blxd | hmm |
| 03:13.00 | blxd | is that 64-bit? |
| 03:13.22 | blxd | if you know |
| 03:13.32 | upIRC | ? |
| 03:13.47 | blxd | iceweasel x86_64? |
| 03:14.01 | upIRC | er yeah |
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| 03:19.46 | Circuitsoft | What is the recommended way to add a user to my system? |
| 03:19.53 | Circuitsoft | adduser makes a very bare user. |
| 03:19.53 | abrotman | adduser |
| 03:20.00 | Circuitsoft | Or, rather, useradd does. |
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| 03:20.08 | Circuitsoft | does adduser make a bare user, or does it fill it out? |
| 03:20.18 | theodred | hello |
| 03:20.27 | theodred | circuit: wha do ye want to do? |
| 03:20.30 | abrotman | Circuitsoft: try it and see, or read the man page |
| 03:20.31 | theodred | adduser just makes a bare user |
| 03:20.39 | theodred | ie adduser newguy |
| 03:20.50 | theodred | whereas if you wanted to specify options like the home, the shell |
| 03:21.02 | theodred | you could use adduser, or the (personally nifty) cmd useradd |
| 03:21.08 | abrotman | Circuitsoft: you want to use adduser |
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| 03:21.43 | theodred | like useradd -s /usr/bin/pine -d /var/mail/newguy |
| 03:21.48 | abrotman | Circuitsoft: you want to use adduser |
| 03:21.57 | theodred | so yes, short answer.. is as abrotman said. |
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| 03:26.51 | Circuitsoft | Where can I find a list of groups and their descriptions? |
| 03:27.13 | aib42 | 'aplay' gives me a bunch of errors (ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:... cannot find card '0') - how do I set up ALSA and audio playback in lenny? (I was told alsaconf wasn't necessary but did it anyway) |
| 03:27.44 | abrotman | Circuitsoft: you mean system groups ? |
| 03:27.45 | dondelelcaro | Circuitsoft: which groups? those in /etc/groups? |
| 03:27.55 | theodred | abrotman: cat /etc/group |
| 03:28.10 | theodred | type that in bash, |
| 03:28.36 | abrotman | theodred: that's not what he's asking |
| 03:28.40 | abrotman | and i don't need to know that |
| 03:29.38 | theodred | apologies, meant to address circuitsoft and I doubt that such is new information to you. |
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| 03:30.53 | Circuitsoft | The key was "and their descriptions" |
| 03:31.06 | Circuitsoft | Asking dpkg about "desktop groups" helped. |
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| 03:33.53 | alekz | Hi! Anyone has working the ATI fglrx driver with a 3200 HD integrated graphic card? |
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| 03:34.14 | Circuitsoft | alekz: I managed it, but it was painful and finicky. |
| 03:34.38 | pipeline | alekz: fglrx is pretty terrible even when it's working - it's nowhere close to the performance under windows or osx. |
| 03:34.43 | Circuitsoft | My biggest issue was with Modelines. |
| 03:35.02 | pipeline | alekz: I use an unaccelerated driver on my x1400 laptop. It's just not worth the trouble to get fglrx working, since OpenGL is dog slow either way. |
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| 03:37.16 | alekz | So there's no a pacific way to enable the 3D support with this card? |
| 03:37.24 | alekz | *not |
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| 03:41.15 | aib42 | how do you add someone to a system group? (and I don't mean changing their primary group in /etc/passwd) |
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| 03:41.59 | upIRC | pipegeek: i got good performance on lenny from the new fglrx driver, Infact i had in some games better performance , ET for one |
| 03:42.02 | thims | adduser username groupname |
| 03:42.07 | thims | aib42: ^ |
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| 03:42.15 | lszyba1 | hello, |
| 03:42.15 | lszyba1 | how can I tell what version of etch do I have...? |
| 03:42.15 | lszyba1 | do I do apt-get upgrade or do I do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 03:42.37 | upIRC | however i had to wait almost 2 years for the release of a fully functional driver for my card, |
| 03:42.47 | pipegeek | upIRC: Glad to hear it |
| 03:42.50 | twiadpaws | lszyba1, to output what version you have? neither of them |
| 03:43.03 | abrotman | lszyba1: usually just upgrade, but sometimes dist-upgrade may be needed for a security update |
| 03:43.06 | upIRC | Next system SLI Nvidia all the way |
| 03:43.16 | pipegeek | amen |
| 03:43.20 | aib42 | thims: thanks |
| 03:43.31 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey |
| 03:43.42 | Seth_Hikaru | I think my permissions are all fucked up. |
| 03:43.59 | Seth_Hikaru | Is there anyway I can redo users? |
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| 03:45.58 | lszyba1 | twiadpaws: is there a command to tell me what version of etch am I on? |
| 03:46.25 | twiadpaws | lszyba1, yes i used it once but i can't remember it |
| 03:46.46 | pobega | Has anyone here gotten Pulseaudio to work properly? |
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| 03:47.44 | twiadpaws | lszyba1, uname |
| 03:47.51 | twiadpaws | lszyba1, uname -r |
| 03:48.14 | twiadpaws | lszyba1, btw mate, google is your friend : \ |
| 03:48.23 | alekz | So anyone knows if there's a paeacefully way to enable 3D acceleration using a 3200 HD integrated Radeon card? |
| 03:48.38 | Seth_Hikaru | no |
| 03:48.46 | Seth_Hikaru | because Radeon are horrible |
| 03:48.48 | lszyba1 | Linux delldebian 2.6.24-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 10 09:28:10 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux ...what version am I on... |
| 03:48.53 | Seth_Hikaru | they dont want you too |
| 03:48.58 | alekz | lol |
| 03:49.05 | Seth_Hikaru | im serious |
| 03:49.09 | Seth_Hikaru | they dont want you too |
| 03:49.11 | alekz | Then I'll have to buy an nvidia card |
| 03:49.16 | pipeline | alekz: like I said, even if you get it working, it's totally useless. |
| 03:49.16 | Seth_Hikaru | yes |
| 03:49.20 | Seth_Hikaru | sell the Radeon |
| 03:49.24 | pipeline | alekz: you're not going to play any videogames :) |
| 03:49.29 | alekz | Seth_Hikaru: the radeon comes integrated |
| 03:49.33 | Seth_Hikaru | well |
| 03:49.35 | alekz | pipeline: Google Earth :P |
| 03:49.38 | Seth_Hikaru | deintergrate it |
| 03:49.41 | pipeline | alekz: that's a really long s hot |
| 03:49.54 | twiadpaws | lszyba1, help uname, man uname, kernel version would be 2.6.24-1??? |
| 03:49.57 | Seth_Hikaru | alekz: deintergrate it |
| 03:49.59 | upIRC | Buy an intel |
| 03:50.05 | pipeline | alekz: intel and nvidia are well-supported under linux. ATI newer than r200 series is not. That's pretty much it. |
| 03:50.09 | Seth_Hikaru | Take a soldering iron and remove it |
| 03:50.26 | Seth_Hikaru | or a hot air desolderer. |
| 03:50.29 | upIRC | Mine works now after 2 year, |
| 03:50.58 | Seth_Hikaru | ati is one of the worst graphics card manufactuars |
| 03:51.05 | alekz | I've been trying to set it up for 4 hours no-stopping, but I think I can live without google earth |
| 03:51.32 | upIRC | alekz: the vesa driver is very good tho, nice font detail. |
| 03:51.36 | Seth_Hikaru | buy an nvidia |
| 03:51.47 | legis | install windows |
| 03:51.53 | upIRC | crytal image quality, i like the vesa but then again i had to get used to it. |
| 03:51.55 | thims | aib42: welcome |
| 03:52.18 | upIRC | Yeah or install Vista, Vita is good. |
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| 03:52.59 | alekz | lol |
| 03:53.05 | lszyba1 | current is 4.0_r6 ...what version corresponds to what kernel? |
| 03:53.06 | alekz | I have 5 years far from win |
| 03:53.12 | Gr33n3gg | what the CLI package manager?, I forgot |
| 03:53.34 | Ancho | lszyba1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:54.56 | Gr33n3gg | aptitude |
| 03:55.00 | Gr33n3gg | there we go |
| 03:55.29 | abrotman | lszyba1: etch has a .18 and .24 |
| 03:55.32 | lszyba1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.32 | lszyba1 | 4.0....is it suppose to say r6? |
| 03:55.37 | abrotman | no |
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| 03:57.17 | Wicked | ok...on a fresh install of etch..ive set a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces...but every few hours it reverts back to getting a ip from dchp....how the hell is it doing this? is there other config files in need to set? |
| 03:57.31 | Wicked | its becoming very annoying... |
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| 03:59.11 | lszyba1 | wicked:is your gnome network manager doing that? |
| 03:59.24 | Wicked | its a headless server |
| 03:59.34 | lszyba1 | abrotman: any ideas? what 4.0r1? 4.0r4? |
| 03:59.45 | abrotman | ideas what ? |
| 03:59.57 | abrotman | !4.0r6 |
| 03:59.57 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r6 was released on December 17, 2008. This revision corrects security issues present in the stable release, along with miscellaneous bugfixes. http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20081218 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/ChangeLog |
| 04:00.00 | Wicked | i just need it to use static ips so i can port forward stuff to it |
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| 04:00.56 | Wicked | ive never seen a distro do this.... |
| 04:00.56 | mprice | that is weird |
| 04:00.59 | Wicked | if i simply /etc/init.d/network restart it will get the static ip...but a few hours later everything times out and booom. it grabs a ip from dhcp |
| 04:02.08 | mprice | pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:02.45 | Wicked | ok |
| 04:03.49 | Wicked | i copied pasted the interfaces from this computer which has a static ip..running ubuntu 8.10 http://pastebin.com/m7867d5b |
| 04:05.17 | Wicked | but like i said..i have no freaking idea why it just stops and gets a new ip every so often...the computer is fine...everything works on it....my router is also fine...never any issues with the other computers on the lan |
| 04:05.57 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey I would really like some in depth help |
| 04:06.05 | Seth_Hikaru | I just dont know what to do. |
| 04:06.13 | lszyba1 | dpkg: is there a file that says you are running 4.0r3 or 4.0r6 or 4.0r5 (to upgrade you need to do apt-get update vs apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 04:06.14 | dpkg | lszyba1: You are moron #1 |
| 04:06.29 | Seth_Hikaru | I know Linux but apparently it's tougher than I thought. |
| 04:06.32 | Wicked | lol |
| 04:06.44 | Seth_Hikaru | Debian has kicked my ass for some reason |
| 04:06.46 | faffi | Lagaro: apt-zip was fail |
| 04:07.04 | Seth_Hikaru | I don't have access to some folers for some reason. |
| 04:07.15 | Seth_Hikaru | I need access to my samba folder. |
| 04:07.18 | lszyba1 | dpkg: why? is kernel been updated from r5 to r6? do I run update ? |
| 04:07.19 | dpkg | ...but why is already something else... |
| 04:07.42 | lszyba1 | was a mdadm upgraded in any of the releases? if yes what version? |
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| 04:10.13 | MexiNerd | When an Asian woman has a baby with a Negro, she is closer related DNA-wise to the Mexican or White kid next door than to her own shitskin child, due to the fact that blacks have more DNA differences from everybody else. Learn even more facts about nnniiiiggggers by joining Chimpout! http://www.chimpout.com/forum/index.php All races except for Negroids are welcome! |
| 04:10.59 | Wicked | how incredibly uncool |
| 04:11.00 | Seth_Hikaru | Wow I think he needs to be banned for being rascist. |
| 04:11.05 | Seth_Hikaru | No shit |
| 04:11.06 | legis | lszyba1: dpkg is a bot, and no, you don't neecd dist-upgrade for that. |
| 04:11.15 | Seth_Hikaru | Ban that motherfucker |
| 04:11.27 | lszyba1 | i guess if I had 4r6 it would say 4.6? |
| 04:11.33 | legis | no |
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| 04:12.02 | legis | lszyba1: you know you have r6 when your etch install is up to date. |
| 04:12.15 | lszyba1 | http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.24.html it seems it was in r5 ?but not sure... |
| 04:12.23 | Seth_Hikaru | If I had an anurysium for everytime Debain cause me problems I would be dead by now. |
| 04:12.59 | gravity | er... one of those could kill you |
| 04:13.12 | Seth_Hikaru | exactely |
| 04:13.16 | Seth_Hikaru | I would be dead by now. |
| 04:13.25 | Seth_Hikaru | thats why its funny |
| 04:13.28 | lszyba1 | yea....question is what version am I running? will upgrade touch any of the stable production software I am running, if yes...should I upgrade ? or should I upgrade on test machine...what is the version on test machine vs production? |
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| 04:13.36 | Wicked | im liking debian so far...but this is un acceptible...i need this machine to have a static ip...and to keep it |
| 04:13.49 | Wicked | no have it disconnect in 3 hours and get a different ip via dhcp |
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| 04:14.12 | legis | Wicked: are you using gnome? |
| 04:14.22 | Wicked | legis, no. headless server |
| 04:14.28 | Seth_Hikaru | omg i just read gnome as g nome |
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| 04:14.30 | Seth_Hikaru | lol |
| 04:14.59 | legis | lszyba1: should be ok, debian doesn't upgrade pkgs in stable releases |
| 04:15.21 | Wicked | legis, i set up my /etc/network/interfaces file with this http://pastebin.com/m7867d5b |
| 04:15.35 | Wicked | i just dont get why its reverting back to dhcp. |
| 04:16.41 | legis | Wicked: that looks ok, maybe you some app switching your interface to dhcp? |
| 04:16.47 | legis | *have |
| 04:17.09 | Wicked | legis, shouldnt be..i did a very minimal install a few days ago..only installed LAMP. |
| 04:17.43 | upIRC | Maybe obama has something to do with Mexinerds racism? |
| 04:17.47 | lszyba1 | legis: well...for one of the packages aka..mdadm I've been told there is a fix in the kernel 24 that should fix my issues....so will the kernel upgrade when doing aptitude upgrade? |
| 04:17.47 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey remember when I said. |
| 04:17.48 | Seth_Hikaru | <grobe0ba> yes, you would have been dead as soon as you put in the cd |
| 04:17.54 | Seth_Hikaru | If I had an anurysium for everytime Debain cause me problems I would be dead by now. |
| 04:18.03 | Seth_Hikaru | my friend said this |
| 04:18.04 | Seth_Hikaru | <grobe0ba> yes, you would have been dead as soon as you put in the cd |
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| 04:18.14 | Seth_Hikaru | ROFLMAO |
| 04:18.24 | Seth_Hikaru | so true |
| 04:18.31 | legis | Wicked: no idea then |
| 04:18.42 | Wicked | me neither :( |
| 04:18.48 | mprice | im stumped too |
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| 04:19.15 | legis | lszyba1: What do you have installed? .18 or .24? |
| 04:19.40 | lszyba1 | .18 |
| 04:19.59 | legis | then no, you need to install .24 |
| 04:20.11 | legis | Wicked: that's not normal, was that a netinstall? |
| 04:20.20 | Wicked | legis, yea. |
| 04:20.25 | legis | Wicked: etch? |
| 04:20.28 | Wicked | yea |
| 04:20.31 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm having problems. |
| 04:20.42 | lszyba1 | legis:aptitude dist-upgrade will do that ? or do I manually have to aptitude install kernel.....24? |
| 04:20.43 | Seth_Hikaru | I apparently am not in the sudoers folder. |
| 04:20.46 | legis | Wicked: then you did something wrong |
| 04:20.48 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: Do we have a deal for you.... |
| 04:20.57 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: su -c 'visudo' |
| 04:21.14 | Seth_Hikaru | Is it an aneurysm!? |
| 04:21.16 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: if you don't have root, talk to someone who does. |
| 04:21.21 | Seth_Hikaru | Um. |
| 04:21.25 | Seth_Hikaru | I own the computer. |
| 04:21.25 | legis | lszyba1: the latter |
| 04:21.25 | Wicked | legis, idk..i know my way around a linux system...i did a normal install...installed openssh server and LAMP....then set up a static ip.... |
| 04:21.30 | Seth_Hikaru | Therfore I have to own root. |
| 04:21.45 | lszyba1 | wicked: have you looked at the /var/log/syslog to see what program is getting ip.;..? |
| 04:21.52 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: Well, I sorta suspected that but it's not always the case. |
| 04:22.05 | Wicked | lszyba1, yea i dont see anything definite in the logs. |
| 04:22.14 | Wicked | syslog,messages,kernel... |
| 04:22.22 | Seth_Hikaru | so your saying someone else might own root and I don't even relize it? |
| 04:22.25 | legis | Wicked: If it was a bug, specially on etch, it will be alreayd know by now. |
| 04:22.28 | lszyba1 | legis: will it know mdadm settings and will it apply them properly? |
| 04:22.54 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: No. You might, say, be an employee at an organization and are asking here for a problem you've encountered at work. |
| 04:23.02 | Seth_Hikaru | oh. |
| 04:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | gravity, if you ban the guy in a case like this, do you also see to it that he gets thrown from the network or was that it? |
| 04:23.05 | karsten | notes that there *are* companies running Debian. |
| 04:23.08 | Seth_Hikaru | Well I figured that. |
| 04:23.10 | Wicked | legis, ok..well what other files contain network information? |
| 04:23.21 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm curious who those companies are? |
| 04:23.24 | Wicked | from what ive had experience ....interfaces is the file. |
| 04:23.32 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: HP for one. |
| 04:23.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seth_Hikaru, Microsoft... oh, no, they run bsd |
| 04:23.44 | Seth_Hikaru | OMG |
| 04:23.46 | lszyba1 | wicked: is it possible you have a ip conflict with another machine? have you tried setting different ip addresses ? |
| 04:23.50 | Seth_Hikaru | TRAITORS |
| 04:24.01 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: depends if we have time; usually an IRCOP notices anyway |
| 04:24.02 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Wouldn't surprise me if there was some Debian and Ubuntu there for strategic reasons if no other. |
| 04:24.09 | Seth_Hikaru | THEY NEED TO RELEASE SOURCE CODE THEN |
| 04:24.27 | Wicked | lszyba1, yea. there are 3 computers on my lan. 1 is laptop that uses dhcp by default. my desktop which uses .65 and the server which uses .50 |
| 04:24.31 | Seth_Hikaru | I kid because that would never happen. |
| 04:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I see, thx |
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| 04:24.42 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: Only if they modify it and distribute it, per GPL. |
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| 04:24.48 | Seth_Hikaru | But how do I edit the visudo file. |
| 04:24.56 | Seth_Hikaru | I meant source code for windows. |
| 04:25.07 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: Actually, MSFT *have* released source code, and I've worked with them a couple of times on GPL compliance. |
| 04:25.16 | Seth_Hikaru | wow |
| 04:25.19 | Seth_Hikaru | really |
| 04:25.21 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: SFU, which includes several GNU utilities. |
| 04:25.23 | karsten | Yes. |
| 04:25.25 | karsten | Really. |
| 04:25.36 | Seth_Hikaru | thats amazing |
| 04:25.39 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: su -c 'visudo' |
| 04:25.44 | Seth_Hikaru | did that |
| 04:25.46 | Seth_Hikaru | now what |
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| 04:25.54 | Seth_Hikaru | it gives me this thingy |
| 04:26.02 | Seth_Hikaru | sudoers.tmp |
| 04:26.11 | lszyba1 | wicked: is you router setup to do dhcp on let say 50+ , then you should set your server(current os with problems) ip to <50 |
| 04:26.11 | Tramp | Wicked: ps -ef | grep dhc to check, if for some reason you have a dhcp-client running. If yes, we'd have to find out why. |
| 04:26.24 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: add "<username> ALL=(ALL) ALL" as a line there. |
| 04:26.25 | Seth_Hikaru | see the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file |
| 04:26.34 | Wicked | heres a snippet from my syslog...i dont see whats causing this http://pastebin.com/m4d89af68 |
| 04:26.34 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: Usually copying and modifying the root line works. |
| 04:26.53 | Wicked | Tramp, yes there is one running... |
| 04:27.08 | Seth_Hikaru | what about the root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 04:27.17 | Seth_Hikaru | put it below that? |
| 04:27.18 | Wicked | lszyba1, yea dhcp gives out ips > .100 . all my static ips use .50-.90 ips |
| 04:27.34 | Tramp | Wicked: well, than the question is why. Have you rebooted after copying this interfaces-file? |
| 04:27.46 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: Yes |
| 04:28.12 | Tramp | Wicked: in any case. Kill this dhclient. Then check, if it is brought up again by something. Check after reboot, if this dhclient is gone |
| 04:28.14 | gewt | giod: check the very bottom of http://gewt.net |
| 04:28.16 | Wicked | Tramp, no. i have not. think that could be it? |
| 04:28.17 | gewt | er |
| 04:28.24 | Seth_Hikaru | and then how do i save it karsten? |
| 04:28.39 | Tramp | Wicked: yes. it is leftover from your previous (probably dynamic) if-configuration |
| 04:28.46 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: Depends on the editor invoked. |
| 04:28.52 | lszyba1 | since I ma running .18 kernel,,,what will a dist-upgrade command do I run it? |
| 04:28.52 | Seth_Hikaru | Terminal |
| 04:29.00 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: usually vi (or clone) or nano. |
| 04:29.03 | Wicked | Tramp, ah. could very well be. let me try a reboot see if it comes back |
| 04:29.07 | Seth_Hikaru | most likely |
| 04:29.12 | Seth_Hikaru | nano |
| 04:29.19 | Tramp | Wicked: yes. if reboot ing is not a problem, verify through reboot. |
| 04:29.36 | Seth_Hikaru | but it has like ^O commands at the bottom |
| 04:29.50 | Tramp | Wicked: it shoudl come up with the static IP and, most importantly, without dhclient running |
| 04:29.52 | Wicked | Tramp, yea. its a home http server..nothing mission critical |
| 04:30.03 | Tramp | Wicked: ok. so reboot and check. |
| 04:30.04 | Seth_Hikaru | ok i should have that in there. |
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| 04:30.09 | Seth_Hikaru | Thanks karsten. |
| 04:30.10 | gravity | CutMeOwnThroat: No, I don't bother with that. |
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| 04:30.38 | enouf | pokes karsten .. just cause |
| 04:30.42 | Seth_Hikaru | Now karsten I need access to /etc/samba but apparently I'm denied access for some reason. |
| 04:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wicked, if you don't need dhclient, you could also just uninstall it... that kind of makes sure it'll not be started again :) |
| 04:31.07 | enouf | Seth_Hikaru: you don't deserve access |
| 04:31.16 | Seth_Hikaru | I do too. |
| 04:31.23 | Seth_Hikaru | It's my box. |
| 04:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | gravity, I see... but then I'd think his work here was done.... looking for soul mates I mean |
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| 04:31.46 | Wicked | Tramp, ok rebooted and got a static ip...no dhclient running. awesome! :) |
| 04:31.55 | Wicked | CutMeOwnThroat, ah yea. that would be plan b ;) |
| 04:32.11 | Tramp | Wicked: so it was not Debian but you making a mistake. |
| 04:32.26 | Seth_Hikaru | Ok but serious I need to edit the config file for samba. |
| 04:32.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wicked, well, generally it's either used all the time, or you don't need it :) |
| 04:32.37 | Seth_Hikaru | But it won't let me in the folder. |
| 04:32.44 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: sudo 'ls -l /etc/samba' |
| 04:32.54 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: It's restricted because there are passwords in there. |
| 04:33.20 | Seth_Hikaru | so what did that command do? |
| 04:33.23 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: If you want a root shell: sudo -i |
| 04:33.28 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: man ls |
| 04:33.31 | Wicked | CutMeOwnThroat, true. |
| 04:33.36 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: You're new to Linux? |
| 04:33.50 | Seth_Hikaru | Not totally new. |
| 04:34.04 | Seth_Hikaru | I used it for about a few months last year. |
| 04:34.28 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: 'ls' lists a directory (what you're calling a folder). I've got to split, can't walk you through shell basics. |
| 04:34.28 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 04:34.29 | Seth_Hikaru | thanks for your help though |
| 04:34.43 | Circuitsoft | Anyone have experience with Framebuffer modes? |
| 04:34.47 | legis | karsten: 'sudo -i' wth? |
| 04:34.49 | Circuitsoft | I have an EEEpc 1002HA |
| 04:35.04 | Circuitsoft | i945GM chipset, 1024x600 display. |
| 04:35.25 | Circuitsoft | fbset likes the output of "gtf 1024 768 60" but not that of "gtf 1024 600 60" |
| 04:35.42 | Seth_Hikaru | well i should get my ass to bed |
| 04:35.44 | Circuitsoft | Can I use the 1024x768 timings and change the shelf sizes to get 1024x600? |
| 04:35.49 | Seth_Hikaru | thanks for the help guys |
| 04:35.52 | Seth_Hikaru | later |
| 04:35.57 | enouf | Circuitsoft: try cvt |
| 04:36.20 | karsten | Seth_Hikaru: http://www.linuxhq.com/guides/LUG/guide.html and http://www.linuxhq.com/guides/LUG/node29.html#SECTION00600000000000000000 specifically. |
| 04:36.37 | karsten | legis: Try it. RTFM first, which you should do since it's a rootly command. |
| 04:36.56 | legis | karsten: this isn't #ubuntu. |
| 04:37.18 | karsten | legis: Um, is there a point somwhere in that? |
| 04:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see one at the end of the sentence... |
| 04:38.07 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: We call 'em periods here, full-stops in JOE. |
| 04:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm. damn English, |
| 04:38.17 | legis | karsten: sudo is not installed by defaul on debian. |
| 04:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I realized 50 ms after hitting enter |
| 04:38.45 | karsten | legis: Um, Seth_Hikaru was specifically asking about sudo, and sudo is most certainly available (and IMO very strongly recommended) in Debian. |
| 04:38.59 | gravity | It does come installed by default though, iirc |
| 04:39.06 | gravity | At least for the desktop task |
| 04:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought not |
| 04:39.11 | karsten | legis: Last I checked, an IRC client isn't installed by default. |
| 04:39.40 | legis | karsten: where did he ask about sudo? show me |
| 04:40.03 | karsten | legis: He was asking about editing sudoers. Read your own effin' scrollback. |
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| 04:42.17 | gravity | legis: karsten has put in many years of user support for debian, both on IRC and on the debian-user list. |
| 04:42.54 | karsten | !beer gravity |
| 04:42.54 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Gulden Drak for gravity |
| 04:43.05 | karsten | Someday I really do intend to do that in person. |
| 04:43.14 | gravity | Seriously |
| 04:43.39 | legis | scrolls up |
| 04:44.04 | karsten | legis: /lastlog -file foo Seth_Hikaru |
| 04:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need further up |
| 04:44.11 | karsten | legis: ... is slightly more efficient. |
| 04:44.14 | Seth_Hikaru | is away: I'm doing stuff. |
| 04:44.52 | karsten | is off to hunt oranges. |
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| 04:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seth_Hikaru, pngwn already asked you to switch that off... |
| 04:45.31 | Circuitsoft | Ok. I can't get any other modes to work. |
| 04:45.34 | Circuitsoft | Only 1024x768 works |
| 04:45.35 | Seth_Hikaru | oh sorry |
| 04:45.42 | Seth_Hikaru | well anyways goodnight |
| 04:45.45 | Circuitsoft | But my display is 1024x600 |
| 04:45.57 | Circuitsoft | So, it's cropped (luckily not stretched) |
| 04:46.18 | Circuitsoft | Can I change my fbcon mode in a way that'll make linux understand that it's cropped without changing the actual video mode? |
| 04:46.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Circuitsoft, that's an intel chipset, right? |
| 04:46.47 | gravity | fbdev? blech |
| 04:47.00 | Circuitsoft | yup |
| 04:47.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Circuitsoft, dunno about framebuffer - but did you look at 915resolution? |
| 04:47.14 | Circuitsoft | It's not in apt. |
| 04:47.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | is! |
| 04:47.37 | Circuitsoft | gravity: I agree, but I'm not sure SVGATextMode would even work. |
| 04:47.42 | Circuitsoft | I don't see it. |
| 04:47.44 | Circuitsoft | (I'm on lenny) |
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| 04:47.50 | gravity | 915resolution is deaddeaddead |
| 04:47.51 | gravity | YAY |
| 04:48.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed... |
| 04:48.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | not needed anymore? |
| 04:48.15 | Circuitsoft | gravity: Any better ideas? |
| 04:48.30 | Circuitsoft | It's not needed for X to function, but it is necessary for a proper framebuffer console on many laptops. |
| 04:48.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | my laptop seems to still have the correct resolution - either the package was kept, or it's not needed anymore |
| 04:48.36 | gravity | Circuitsoft: What architecture are you running? |
| 04:48.45 | Circuitsoft | Intel Atom |
| 04:48.48 | Circuitsoft | x867 |
| 04:48.49 | Circuitsoft | *x86 |
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| 04:49.21 | gravity | Ah, fun |
| 04:49.21 | Circuitsoft | I tried SVGATextMode on an old computer many years ago, but could never get it to work. |
| 04:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you know why it's "deaddeaddead"? |
| 04:49.35 | gravity | You can't just use the normal BIOS-based mode? |
| 04:49.35 | Circuitsoft | Runs cooler than I expected. |
| 04:49.45 | Circuitsoft | BIOS doesn't support the proper mode. |
| 04:49.54 | Circuitsoft | THat's why 915resolution was created in the first place. |
| 04:49.55 | gravity | Circuitsoft: Yes. Because it was a crappy hack that's now rendered useless with the modern intel driver. |
| 04:50.09 | Circuitsoft | But the intelfb driver doesn't support LCDs. |
| 04:50.13 | Circuitsoft | for some odd reason. |
| 04:50.24 | enouf | hands karsten a grove of mangos instead |
| 04:50.24 | gravity | I don't think the intelfb driver is any good |
| 04:50.31 | Circuitsoft | Agreed. |
| 04:50.35 | Circuitsoft | I'm using uvesafb right now. |
| 04:50.57 | Circuitsoft | I get nice clear text at 1024x768, but the screen is clipped. |
| 04:51.01 | legis | karsten: sir, you are correct :) |
| 04:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | took some scrolling, that :) |
| 04:51.27 | Circuitsoft | If I could find a way to inform fbcon that the upper 28 pixels are not onscreen, that would help. |
| 04:51.46 | puff | I've set up ssh public key and set up ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on a remote host. If I then do: ssh-agent sh -c 'ssh-add < /dev/null && bash' |
| 04:52.00 | puff | In the resulting bash shell, I can log into remotehost without entering anything. |
| 04:52.22 | puff | How do I set it up so I don't have to run ssh-agent/ssh-add and type in the passphrase every time I log in? |
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| 04:54.33 | dejones | Should device (hd0,0) in grub be /dev/sda1 in Linux for non-IDE drives? |
| 04:54.58 | Circuitsoft | dejones: /dev/sda |
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| 04:55.10 | Circuitsoft | or, no, sorry. |
| 04:55.12 | Circuitsoft | You're right. |
| 04:55.17 | dejones | Circuitsoft: Thanks. :) |
| 04:55.24 | Circuitsoft | Actually, I think it's (hd:0,0) |
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| 04:56.36 | dejones | I'm getting a "GRUB Geom Error" after installing 4 additional SATA drives. GRUB was booting fine from my USB flash drive, no clue why it is not working now though. I have confirmed from the GRUB command-line that the files are still on the USB flash drive at device (hd0,0). |
| 04:56.39 | dejones | Any ideas? :/ |
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| 04:59.53 | Circuitsoft | (hd0,0) will be different whether it boots from USB or not. |
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| 05:00.07 | Circuitsoft | (hd0,0) is the first drive that the BIOS sees, the one it's booting off of. |
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| 05:00.36 | Circuitsoft | Do you have a /boot partition at the front of the boot drive |
| 05:00.38 | Circuitsoft | ? |
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| 05:04.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | puff, you don't have to type the passphrase if the key doesn't have a passphrase... |
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| 05:05.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | puff, /msg dpkg ssh without password |
| 05:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno about that ssh-agent stuff, never used it |
| 05:06.27 | dejones | I installed Debian Linux on a USB flash drive, and GRUB boots Linux fine. But, if I plug in my 4 additional SATA drives, then GRUB fails to boot Linux with "GRUB Geom Error" -- any suggestions |
| 05:07.22 | Circuitsoft | dejones: Do you have a /boot partition at the front of your drive? |
| 05:07.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | definitely not to guys who don't read the answer |
| 05:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would be a waste :) |
| 05:08.13 | dejones | Circuitsoft: I do on the USB flash drive, which I confirmed with find command on the GRUB command-line. |
| 05:08.52 | Circuitsoft | Are you trying to make it boot without the USB drive? |
| 05:09.16 | dejones | Circuitsoft: No, I want to continue to boot from the USB flash drive. I just want the SATA drives for extra storage. |
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| 05:10.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems like one of your sata drives becomes hd(0,0) then, while the machine keeps reading the bootsector from the usb drive |
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| 05:11.33 | dejones | CutMeOwnThroat: I confirmed with GRUB command-line that (hd0,0) is the USB flash drive since the find command shows my kernel in /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-k7 |
| 05:11.47 | dejones | :/ |
| 05:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it work when you remove the sata disks? |
| 05:12.31 | Circuitsoft | He already said is does. |
| 05:12.36 | Circuitsoft | *it |
| 05:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 05:12.46 | dejones | CutMeOwnThroat, Circuitsoft: Yes, it works when I remove the SATA disks. |
| 05:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !grub errors |
| 05:12.46 | dpkg | grub.errors is, like, grub error X? go to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting to find out what it means |
| 05:12.52 | Circuitsoft | Are the kernel and initramfs on the USB or on a SATA disk? |
| 05:13.11 | dejones | Circuitsoft: USB drive. |
| 05:13.19 | Circuitsoft | Odd. |
| 05:13.46 | dejones | The SATA disks may even be blank, I'm not sure though. But, I know for certain that my kernel and initrd are on the USB flash drive since it boots fine without the SATA drives connected. |
| 05:13.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, slightly cryptic |
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| 05:14.40 | dejones | CutMeOwnThroat: Yea, I'm quite confused. :( |
| 05:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | "BIOS translated geometry has been changed by the user or the disk is moved to another machine or controller after installation," |
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| 05:15.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that might be roughly true |
| 05:15.40 | dejones | CutMeOwnThroat: Hmm. |
| 05:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | not exactly, though :) |
| 05:16.05 | Circuitsoft | Trying to build a new xf86-input-synaptics driver - getting "XORG_MANPAGE_SECTIONS: command not found" on configure. |
| 05:16.12 | Circuitsoft | Fixed other errors by installing xorg-dev |
| 05:16.16 | Circuitsoft | What else do I need? |
| 05:16.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could boot into it with the scsi disks plugged in from a rescue disk and re-run grub |
| 05:16.48 | dejones | CutMeOwnThroat: Yah, I think I may be forced to do that one. ;) |
| 05:16.57 | dejones | Thanks for the help CutMeOwnThroat, Circuitsoft. |
| 05:17.04 | gravity | Circuitsoft: xorg-build-macros |
| 05:17.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a bit curious |
| 05:17.25 | Circuitsoft | Thanks |
| 05:17.56 | dejones | Yea, I'm going to try the rescue disk... seems to be the easiest route. |
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| 05:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dejones, pretty strange - if I try to translate that error, it means your kernel is in a region of the stick that the bios cannot address |
| 05:18.59 | gravity | Circuitsoft: Er, sorry. You want xutils-dev |
| 05:19.13 | gravity | I thought they renamed it, but I guess not |
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| 05:19.20 | Circuitsoft | gravity: That's okay - I figured out that xutils-dev provides xorg-build-macros |
| 05:19.26 | gravity | Cool |
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| 05:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dejones, check for LBA settings in your BIOS on boot... I don't know *why* that should have changed, but that'd make that error |
| 05:20.16 | Circuitsoft | gravity: So, any ideas concerning fbcon on intel chip? |
| 05:20.50 | gravity | Circuitsoft: No, sorry |
| 05:22.55 | dejones | CutMeOwnThroat: LBA settings? Should that matter for SATA drives? And, my USB flash drive is only 1GB... |
| 05:23.37 | dejones | CutMeOwnThroat: The SATA drives are on PCI SATA controllers, not on a controller on the motherboard, if that matters. |
| 05:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dejones, of course - if the lba settings would change for some weird reason, the perceived geometry of the stick would suddenly change |
| 05:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't see what sata or non-sata or even usb has to do with block layout (as it doesn't use cylinder/head/sector) |
| 05:25.54 | dejones | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh... Well, the SATA drives are 250GB, so I guess they could change the LBA settings? |
| 05:26.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea |
| 05:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just a shot out there into the blue sky - perhaps there's a bird flying into it |
| 05:26.53 | dejones | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not sure what I should change in the BIOS... The IDE master/slave devices are the only menu options that mention LBA. |
| 05:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | pity |
| 05:28.24 | dejones | Yea.. |
| 05:28.31 | dejones | I guess I must try the rescue disk. :/ |
| 05:28.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure it's possible to have a "non-lba" usb stick |
| 05:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't really come with cylinders... |
| 05:29.13 | dejones | lol |
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| 05:39.44 | shad0w1e | how do i display a list of all installed packages? |
| 05:39.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | "dpkg -l |grep ii" |
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| 05:40.18 | shad0w1e | sweet |
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| 05:40.25 | shad0w1e | any simple way to get them all on one line separated by spaces? |
| 05:40.31 | shad0w1e | or do I need to start playing with sed n stuff.. |
| 05:40.43 | dmoerner | shad0w1e: use xargs |
| 05:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 05:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | "dpkg -l |awk /ii/'{printf "$2 "}'" or so |
| 05:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 05:41.32 | shad0w1e | hehe |
| 05:41.33 | shad0w1e | thanx |
| 05:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | needs better other quoting |
| 05:42.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | "dpkg -l |awk /ii/'{printf $2" "}'" |
| 05:42.25 | shad0w1e | niiice!! |
| 05:42.40 | shad0w1e | thanks you da man! |
| 05:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said "or so" on the first line! |
| 05:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 05:43.07 | shad0w1e | hehe |
| 05:44.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | was actually one of those "displace not more than one match" riddels |
| 05:47.12 | cowboy123 | hello channel. anyone know a workaround w/flash 10 making flash vids turn grey? flash 9 isn't available on adobe's site. |
| 05:48.02 | cowboy123 | refreshing the page works sporadically, but i'd like to fix it |
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| 05:53.09 | cowboy123 | nvm, solved. http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
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| 06:00.57 | PeterFA | What's the command to set the run-level stuff? |
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| 06:05.08 | PeterFA | I got it, sysv-something-something |
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| 06:13.08 | Ward1983 | how do i install flashplugin-nonfree from lenny? |
| 06:13.10 | Ward1983 | i really need it |
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| 06:15.28 | beefsalad | Ward1983: I just downloaded flash from adobe, and dropped the plugin into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 06:15.46 | Ward1983 | beefsalad, would that work for 64bit aswell? |
| 06:16.11 | beefsalad | Ward1983: should |
| 06:16.15 | Ward1983 | :p |
| 06:16.26 | Ward1983 | beefsalad, ok thanx ill try |
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| 06:22.13 | enouf | PeterFA: /msg dpkg rconf |
| 06:22.24 | enouf | PeterFA: er /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 06:22.48 | n-iCe | I can't make my heaset work :/ |
| 06:22.52 | PeterFA | enouf, thanks. |
| 06:23.29 | PeterFA | wishes someone would make Adobe vanish. |
| 06:23.43 | PeterFA | Add Microsoft to that wishlist. |
| 06:24.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you wish Microsoft would vanish Adobe? |
| 06:24.14 | PeterFA | violates CutMeOwnThroat. |
| 06:24.27 | enouf | [00:53:28] <cowboy123> nvm, solved. <-- wonderful .. Install some unknown binary blob warez and be happy you sheeple |
| 06:24.54 | enouf | what a fucken dump! |
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| 06:25.11 | PeterFA | enouf, I'm emotionally dependent on you. |
| 06:25.18 | enouf | full of dumbasses |
| 06:25.36 | enouf | PeterFA: but, i love you, and you know it |
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| 06:26.17 | PeterFA | enouf, yes, and we love eachother. |
| 06:26.27 | PeterFA | And we love Linux, and Linux loves us. |
| 06:26.58 | enouf | starts writing PeterFA 's eulogy |
| 06:27.13 | PeterFA | ? |
| 06:28.00 | PeterFA | I'm off to bed. |
| 06:28.02 | PeterFA | adios. |
| 06:28.50 | enouf | PeterFA: linux allows for tivoisation - i love gnu :-) not you :-P |
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| 06:29.44 | enouf | linus can suck my ass - he doesn't enforce his own copyright/license |
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| 06:33.21 | Ward1983 | beefsalad, where exactly did you download it? their site makes no sense |
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| 06:33.49 | Ward1983 | oh no wait my mistake |
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| 06:33.56 | beefsalad | heh |
| 06:34.00 | Ward1983 | they didnt release a 64bit version i guess |
| 06:34.05 | beefsalad | you talking about adobe, or nvidia? |
| 06:34.11 | Ward1983 | adobe crapsite |
| 06:34.40 | Ward1983 | enouf, i am sorry to agree with you about linus |
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| 06:34.57 | Ward1983 | however he cannot suck my ass :p |
| 06:35.01 | DHowett | Ugh. Is it possible to sign a .deb after it's built? I'm using dpkg-deb (can't use dpkg-buildpackage or the source building tools as it's not a source package). If so, How? |
| 06:35.03 | enouf | i apologize you're sorry |
| 06:35.16 | Ward1983 | enouf, i mean im sorry because he is like that |
| 06:35.29 | enouf | DHowett: see -u and -c |
| 06:35.37 | enouf | or something |
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| 06:36.46 | enouf | Ward1983: you're apologizing for someone else's behaviour? tsktsk .. i have some psychiatrists i want you to meet |
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| 06:37.09 | DHowett | enouf: dpkg-deb doesn't take -u and -c lists contents :( |
| 06:37.23 | enouf | wrong command |
| 06:37.36 | enouf | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 06:37.37 | dpkg | [dpkg-buildpackage] a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
| 06:38.00 | DHowett | I don't have any source to build from. Just files I'm packaging up as a .deb. Thus dpkg-deb (as explained) |
| 06:38.16 | enouf | i guess i meant -us and -uc ... but see debsign and others |
| 06:39.00 | Gm4n | why might a shell script say [: unexpected operator? it works fine when I enter it into the shell, but not when I exec it |
| 06:39.27 | enouf | DHowett: so, you have a blob you're packaging as a .deb? thanks, but no thanks |
| 06:39.29 | Circuitsoft | You can't exec a shell builtin |
| 06:39.39 | Gm4n | sorry, I said that wrong |
| 06:39.49 | Gm4n | when I sh myscript.sh, which contains exactly what I typed into shell raw |
| 06:39.56 | DHowett | enouf: It's for Cydia/iPhone development. |
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| 06:40.03 | DHowett | Gm4n: Try bash myscript.sh |
| 06:40.06 | Circuitsoft | Gm4n: Can you pastebin it? |
| 06:40.15 | enouf | DHowett: that's nice - it can suck my ass |
| 06:40.22 | Ward1983 | enouf, im sorry has two meanings :p |
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| 06:41.03 | Ward1983 | beefsalad, so then i need to kill any window using mozilla i suppose? or anything else? |
| 06:41.15 | enouf | DHowett: i am not a DD, and my opinion is all my own |
| 06:41.20 | DHowett | enouf: Okay then. I'll instruct it to do so. Not sure why it's such a major problem though. It's a set of files that is best managed by apt. No breach of any consistent terms :) |
| 06:41.22 | DHowett | enouf: Understood :) |
| 06:41.23 | Gm4n | oops, I think I got it after all |
| 06:41.25 | Gm4n | is silly |
| 06:42.03 | enouf | DHowett: i want source - plain and simple - but that's just IMHO ;-) |
| 06:42.21 | DHowett | enouf: Nah, I can understand where you're coming from |
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| 06:42.37 | Gm4n | what came up that was for cydia/iphone? |
| 06:42.39 | enouf | thanks - you be cool DHowett |
| 06:42.53 | beefsalad | Ward1983: I had mozilla closed at the time |
| 06:42.54 | DHowett | you too enouf |
| 06:42.58 | DHowett | Gm4n: signing packages |
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| 06:44.03 | Gm4n | loves cydia |
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| 06:46.44 | Ward1983 | beefsalad, i allready had swfdec-mozilla |
| 06:46.55 | Ward1983 | beefsalad, i want to delete it but it tells me i need to delete gnome..... |
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| 06:47.15 | Ward1983 | why cant my system never act f*cking normal :@ |
| 06:47.19 | beefsalad | lol |
| 06:47.31 | Ward1983 | how is that possible? :s |
| 06:47.31 | beefsalad | Ward1983: installing fam wanted to remove xfce for some reason, its not your fault |
| 06:47.49 | Ward1983 | beefsalad, oh... |
| 06:47.52 | Ward1983 | stares |
| 06:47.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ward1983, just redefine reality and stop fscking with the system |
| 06:47.56 | beefsalad | and that was on a fresh install |
| 06:48.40 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, i didnt do anything with my system lol |
| 06:48.42 | Supaplex | just fire the admin already |
| 06:48.48 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 06:48.50 | beefsalad | dont fire him, stab him |
| 06:48.58 | Supaplex | yes! with a dull spork |
| 06:49.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | firing is more warm... |
| 06:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... specially if it's done with gasoline |
| 06:49.49 | Ward1983 | lol thats very very very bad humour |
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| 06:50.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm WORKING on it, ok? |
| 06:50.18 | Ward1983 | on your bad hunour? |
| 06:50.18 | Ward1983 | :p |
| 06:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I thought that wasn't so bad for the time of day |
| 06:50.20 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: fire your writer ;) |
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| 06:50.35 | Supaplex | yes I'm lame. but it gets a few laughs. |
| 06:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, funny... listened to matchbox twenty a couple'a minutes ago |
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| 06:51.11 | Ward1983 | so how can i remove that thing without removing gnome? |
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| 06:51.20 | karsten | puff: get an answer to your ssh-agent question yet? |
| 06:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what thing :) |
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| 06:51.37 | karsten | enouf: thanks for the mango trees. I'll put 'em right next to my pile of unfolded laundry here... |
| 06:51.40 | Ward1983 | swfdec-mozilla |
| 06:51.51 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, swfdec-mozilla |
| 06:51.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that lenny? |
| 06:51.55 | Ward1983 | yes |
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| 06:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 06:52.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems you can't |
| 06:52.33 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 06:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not the gnome package |
| 06:52.46 | Ward1983 | so debian has packages that you cannot ever get rid of? |
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| 06:53.06 | Ward1983 | man if only i knew that before i installed debian :( |
| 06:53.16 | Ward1983 | would have never ever used it |
| 06:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, there's one version that doesn't depend on it |
| 06:53.21 | Ward1983 | because thats very unacceptable |
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| 06:53.35 | Ward1983 | well im screwed |
| 06:53.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ward1983, of course you can, don't be silly |
| 06:53.48 | Ward1983 | no i cannot unless iuninstall gnome |
| 06:53.51 | Ward1983 | and i really dont feel like that |
| 06:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course you can |
| 06:54.01 | Ward1983 | and i really dont see the need either |
| 06:54.15 | Ward1983 | wtf does gnome have to do with a stupid swf decoder? |
| 06:54.28 | Supaplex | aptitude ... --without-reccomends or some such... |
| 06:54.33 | Ward1983 | apperantly gnome depends on it, or thats how apt acts |
| 06:54.34 | Supaplex | it's in the man page |
| 06:54.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, it's not a recommend |
| 06:54.41 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 06:54.52 | Supaplex | follow the dependency |
| 06:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually NOT anymore for Version: 1:2.14.3.6 |
| 06:55.25 | Ward1983 | i dont think i understand |
| 06:55.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ward1983, and gnome is just a meta-package it doesn't contain any files, there is no tragedy in removing it - just keep hold of the packages you want to keep |
| 06:56.01 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, aaaaaaaaaaah ok sorry i didnt notice |
| 06:56.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is meta-gnome2 |
| 06:56.26 | Supaplex | it's magic |
| 06:56.37 | Supaplex | oh wait. that's mage linux. ;) |
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| 06:57.33 | Ward1983 | beefsalad, mozilla is not aware of the file i copied, any suggestions? |
| 06:57.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's weird, I have one gnome package that that depends on a lot less things than the others |
| 06:58.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions gnome |
| 06:58.08 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6 lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 |
| 06:58.21 | De_Mon | I've got /etc/services:ip_forward=yes but when the system boots /proc/ip_forward is set to 0... |
| 06:58.25 | Ward1983 | pfffffffffffff |
| 06:58.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, that's the lenny version |
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| 06:58.28 | Ward1983 | adobe CRAP |
| 06:58.38 | De_Mon | did something change in debian unstable that would make that stop working? |
| 06:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | svfdec is not from adobe |
| 06:58.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/v/w/ |
| 06:58.52 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, i didnt mean swfdec.... |
| 06:59.02 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, i meant their crappy plugin |
| 06:59.10 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, im just frustrated with it |
| 06:59.58 | De_Mon | sorry, I meant /etc/network/options |
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| 07:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ward1983, what is it, you really want to do? |
| 07:00.24 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, get flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:00.30 | Ward1983 | im using lenny |
| 07:00.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | on i386? |
| 07:00.37 | Ward1983 | no 64bit |
| 07:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | does that exist now? |
| 07:01.11 | pl4yer0ne | evening all |
| 07:01.12 | Ward1983 | beefsalad said the 32bit should work |
| 07:01.18 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, |
| 07:01.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !adobe flash testing |
| 07:01.27 | dpkg | If you want Adobe Flash for "testing", then you will need to install the package from unstable (See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457291#37). Ask me about <adobe flash> for why it is not in stable or testing any more, or ask me about <flash> for free implementations that don't have this problem. Alternatively, use the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org. |
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| 07:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't mention anything special for 64 bit - but ndiswrapper is mentioned in the other factoid |
| 07:02.45 | De_Mon | hrm, looks like that file got depriciated |
| 07:02.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ward1983, is there a package in amd64 nonfree or not? |
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| 07:05.01 | beefsalad | Ward1983: I did? |
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| 07:07.45 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, thanx i just got it from debian-multimedia |
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| 07:09.03 | Ward1983 | beefsalad, : |
| 07:09.04 | Ward1983 | <beefsalad> Ward1983: I just downloaded flash from adobe, and dropped the plugin into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 07:09.04 | Ward1983 | <Ward1983> beefsalad, would that work for 64bit aswell? |
| 07:09.04 | Ward1983 | <beefsalad> Ward1983: should |
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| 07:09.26 | Ward1983 | ok ill paste the 3 little lines in some retarded pastebin |
| 07:09.31 | Ward1983 | stupid channel :@ |
| 07:09.55 | Ward1983 | beefsalad, http://pastebin.com/m58a2fca3 |
| 07:10.10 | beefsalad | heh |
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| 07:11.33 | Ward1983 | its working fine now though |
| 07:11.37 | Ward1983 | from debian-multimedia |
| 07:12.32 | _slabdata_ | Ward1983: i use http://packages.debian.org/de/etch-backports/flashplugin-nonfree on amd64(etch) and it's workin fine |
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| 07:13.36 | Stanlin | Help, how to know what version is the LXDE package in debian? |
| 07:14.06 | chihau | I haved download a source code of a project by svn but I don't now how to compile becouse the project don't content the INSTALL file |
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| 07:14.33 | chihau | the project directory have configure.ac Makefile.am and autogen.sh |
| 07:14.47 | _slabdata_ | !configure |
| 07:14.49 | Ward1983 | _slabdata_, nice to know should this one cause trouble sometime |
| 07:15.34 | chihau | who can explain me how to compile this project? |
| 07:16.11 | Stanlin | hello |
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| 07:28.17 | etech | do the openoffice 3.0.1 debs work with debian esting? |
| 07:29.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | what openoffice 3.0 |
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| 07:30.00 | etech | CutMeOwnThroat, from the openoffice website |
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| 07:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably not, else they'd be in the repositories :) |
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| 07:30.39 | etech | and why not? :/ |
| 07:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's that damn a2 bot doing except leaving and joining all the time? |
| 07:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | etech, no idea :) you can but try... you should reconsider, though, if it's pulling in a lot of other stuff from the openoffice repository |
| 07:32.13 | etech | is in debian the openoffice or go-oo? |
| 07:33.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | etech, here's an article on it in ubuntu http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/05/08/test-drive-openoffice-3-beta-in-ubuntu/ |
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| 07:34.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't say a lot about how well it runs, though |
| 07:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's beta, that's why |
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| 07:34.36 | etech | CutMeOwnThroat, it is actually final, version 3.0.1 :) |
| 07:35.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | etech, file a wishlist bug on it :) or check if there is... |
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| 07:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | etech, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=wnpp I don't see any |
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| 07:38.58 | etech | testing is in freeze, i think they will put oo3 when lenny is sreleased |
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| 07:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | etech, seems oo3 is in experimental... strange, I thought I had that in my repros and shouldve found it |
| 07:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openoffice |
| 07:39.54 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: openoffice -- |
| 07:39.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openoffice.org |
| 07:39.57 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1-17 sid: 1:2.4.1-17 experimental: 1:3.0.1-1 |
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| 07:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... it'll probably go into testing/unstable only after the freeze is over |
| 07:40.29 | etech | ok |
| 07:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahaha... don't we love the reputed "the register" ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/04/openoffice_three_dot_o_review/ |
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| 07:42.49 | etech | ts :) |
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| 07:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ewww |
| 07:43.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | what idiot uses force-architecture |
| 07:43.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, seems to work for him |
| 07:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno what that does to the dependencies |
| 07:44.24 | etech | i just found that debian uses the openoffice fork go-oo |
| 07:44.40 | etech | so features from oo3 should already be in go-oo 2.4.1 |
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| 07:57.57 | rush | Is there debian for x86_64 arch ? |
| 07:58.10 | hekatomb | amd64 |
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| 08:04.42 | etech | rush, yes amd64=x86_64 |
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| 08:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | shall I also answer? :) |
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| 08:07.52 | mohadib | so, xrandr wont work across multiple video cards right? |
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| 08:38.14 | Raylz | hi, why isnt iceweasel 3.0.5 chosen for lenny? |
| 08:38.22 | Raylz | doesnt it contain several bugfixes? |
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| 08:39.37 | phix | I force installed a package using dpkg -i --force-conflict, although now when I try and install any package I get the same conflict error, how can I tell apt to STFU about a particular conflict? |
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| 08:43.52 | streuner | !why isnt iceweasel in testing |
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| 08:45.05 | streuner | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 08:45.07 | judd | streuner: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.17-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.5-1 sid: 3.0.5-1 |
| 08:45.31 | streuner | Raylz: ^^^ |
| 08:46.27 | Raylz | streuner: then this information is wrong http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2009/13756.html |
| 08:46.51 | nsadmin | phix: by not introducing them |
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| 08:48.52 | \amethyst | phix: you can try diverting all but one version of the conflicting file. man dpkg-divert |
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| 08:49.33 | nsadmin | you could also look into what the conflict is and resolving it... perhaps the thing it conflicts with should be removed |
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| 08:54.02 | rush | How can I see, whitch packet does some file belongs? |
| 08:54.35 | peppe | dpkg -S |
| 08:54.35 | dpkg | peppe: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 08:54.43 | peppe | hem, rush ^ |
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| 08:55.23 | rush | thanx |
| 08:55.34 | rush | sorry for my english |
| 08:55.43 | rush | i'm a tatar |
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| 09:01.17 | sente | hello, i have warnings in my /var/log/auth.log like: pam_env(sshd:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/default/locale: No such file or directory |
| 09:01.31 | sente | what is the preferrect/'correct' way to create this file? |
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| 09:04.39 | epsilon | sente: locale-gen |
| 09:04.44 | epsilon | (IIRC) |
| 09:04.58 | rabbott | hi room, quick question, how do i fix an issue with my ROUTE being lost after reboot? |
| 09:05.26 | rabbott | if i do "ifdown" then "ifup" it loses the gateway settings and it has to be manually re-entered |
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| 09:05.39 | rabbott | it was set up default as DHCP but I want it to have a static IP |
| 09:06.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, "man interfaces" - edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:07.01 | nsadmin | !find alsaconf |
| 09:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm not a room, I'm a person! |
| 09:07.11 | rabbott | CutMeOwnThroat: I already set the static info in there for eth0, but after running ifdown it loses the route info |
| 09:07.18 | rabbott | but it keeps the right IP |
| 09:07.30 | rvsjoen | you set the gateway ? |
| 09:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, start stop using /etc/init.d/networking restart (or start/stop) |
| 09:08.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsaconf' (2): (/usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/alsaconf.vim, /usr/share/vim/vim72/ftplugin/alsaconf.vim) in editors/vim-runtime ;; (/usr/sbin/alsaconf, /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo, /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 09:08.01 | nsadmin | dpkg, can you please go slower? |
| 09:08.02 | dpkg | nsadmin: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 09:08.10 | rabbott | well what about reboot then? if the power to the machine is shut off, it also loses the routing information |
| 09:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought ifup would everything correctly as well, though |
| 09:08.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, that shouldn't be the case |
| 09:08.32 | rvsjoen | it should |
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| 09:08.50 | Neaai | Hello all. Something strange is happening to me. I did a fresh installation of Etch. I installed proftpd and moved some data to that box. This data was previously found on another installation of Etch with proftpd. The server worked ok before, but now I see messages like: Passive data transfer failed, possibly due to network issues. Yet its exactly the same proftpd.conf file in both cases. |
| 09:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, put your interfaces in a pastebin? |
| 09:09.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, e.g. with apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:09.31 | rabbott | how do i get pastebin from a terminal lol... i'm on the machine |
| 09:09.35 | rabbott | ah |
| 09:09.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | <---- psychic |
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| 09:09.52 | sente | epsilon: thanks, i run that, and it prints the only uncommented locale from /etc/locale.gen, but /etc/default/locale is not created |
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| 09:10.04 | sente | i have read the manpages and don't see exactly what to do, pointers? |
| 09:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Neaai, firewall... |
| 09:10.34 | rabbott | CutMeOwnThroat: pastebinit isn't a valid package :( |
| 09:10.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, mmm, that's etch? |
| 09:10.50 | rabbott | i dont beleive so |
| 09:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions pastebinit |
| 09:10.56 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: pastebinit -- sid: 0.10-1 lenny: 0.10-2 sid: 0.10-2 experimental: 0.11-1 |
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| 09:11.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | me, too :) |
| 09:11.12 | Neaai | CutMeOwnThroat: Firewall on the server? It can't be, there's none installed. |
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| 09:11.50 | rabbott | CutMeOwnThroat: it can't find pastebinit |
| 09:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, it's not in etch... only in lenny and sid |
| 09:12.09 | rabbott | oh |
| 09:12.21 | rabbott | this was the standard netinst disk i used.... |
| 09:12.35 | rabbott | so are you saying this is an older version? |
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| 09:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is the current stable |
| 09:13.17 | rabbott | ah |
| 09:13.23 | rabbott | so what should i do then |
| 09:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but lenny is frozen for quite a while now and will "anytime soon" become the new stable |
| 09:13.47 | rabbott | iface eth0 inet static |
| 09:14.05 | rabbott | address 192.168.1.9 |
| 09:14.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well - do you have a gateway line? |
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| 09:14.14 | rabbott | ah thats what i'm forgetting |
| 09:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what'll be put into the routing table |
| 09:14.23 | rabbott | just "gateway 192.168.1.1"? |
| 09:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | see :) |
| 09:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 09:14.49 | rabbott | ok... wish me luck lo |
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| 09:16.56 | rabbott | am i still connected? |
| 09:17.00 | rabbott | it didnt' work |
| 09:17.12 | rabbott | horus:~# ifdown eth0 |
| 09:17.12 | rabbott | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
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| 09:17.42 | rabbott | CutMeOwnThroat: any ideas? |
| 09:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, your eth0 isn't configured |
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| 09:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | original, eh? |
| 09:17.58 | peppe | did you ifup'd it before? |
| 09:18.23 | rabbott | it worked before, yes |
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| 09:18.32 | rabbott | if eth0 isnt' configured, i dont know how i'm on here... lol |
| 09:18.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be because you changed interfaces |
| 09:18.50 | peppe | configured BY ifup/ifdown, not configured in general (by hand) |
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| 09:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 09:19.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | peppe, makes you wonder how ifup/down can tell... |
| 09:19.41 | rabbott | that worked apparently |
| 09:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, don't set too much store on that, though - I sometimes get the impression it cheats |
| 09:20.26 | peppe | CutMeOwnThroat: can tell what? |
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| 09:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbott, should be ok, though |
| 09:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | peppe, how it was configured... if ifupdown was involved - there must be some type of lockfile around |
| 09:21.25 | rabbott | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean it cheats lo |
| 09:21.26 | peppe | yes, /var/run/network/ifstate |
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| 09:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | peppe, surely not! |
| 09:22.15 | rabbott | im gonna reboot the machine, fingers crossed that everything works and it keeps the route info this time lol |
| 09:22.21 | rabbott | thanks everyone |
| 09:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I don't have that file) - but yeah, there's an ifstate around somewhere else |
| 09:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | looked into it just today |
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| 09:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but my /var/run/network is empty |
| 09:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... would indeed make a lot more sense under /var/run |
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| 09:28.31 | peppe | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm sorry - I indeed saw the location of the ifstate file under an ubuntu machine... |
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| 09:32.18 | hughszg | mates, will lenny become stable on february 14? |
| 09:32.28 | alcohol | no, 15th. |
| 09:32.50 | hughszg | :-D |
| 09:33.31 | hughszg | IMHO, it's stable but just not recognized officially. |
| 09:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wwlr |
| 09:34.20 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release when it's ready, with a tentative release date being set for February 14, 2009. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html for details. Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>. |
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| 09:36.00 | hughszg | i've checked the link msg00000.html but it's invalid. |
| 09:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just the mail you were probably referring to when asking |
| 09:36.25 | Ward1983 | for god sakes.... why is libfltk1.1-dev not completely packaged?? |
| 09:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm just reading it, so you can bet it's not invalid |
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| 09:37.59 | hughszg | in IE, the browser says the page can't be displayed. in FF, it says the connection has been reset by peer |
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| 09:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hughszg, you're not having an IP conflict in your network, do you? |
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| 09:39.04 | hughszg | i'm ok with internet surfing except access this specific link |
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| 09:39.25 | Ward1983 | why are people packaging liek half a package? |
| 09:39.30 | Ward1983 | this is seriously retarded |
| 09:39.45 | Ward1983 | a -dev package missing a header.... common |
| 09:39.51 | hughszg | anyway, it's ok. i'm in china and i'm used to be blocked for some useful information. |
| 09:40.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hughszg, how about that one: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/115502/index.html |
| 09:40.15 | Ward1983 | hughszg, i'm sorry for their censorship, its very wrong |
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| 09:40.27 | pkt | when I run autoreconf -i, libtool starts to think I my system cannot build shared libraries :-/ |
| 09:40.36 | Ward1983 | hughszg, if it makes you feel any better, china is not the only country doing it |
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| 09:41.19 | hughszg | Ward1983: as per the CN government, some information is harmful. they say it and we are forced to follow it. :( |
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| 09:42.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hughszg, heh, are you using scroogle instead of google for searches, then? |
| 09:43.05 | hughszg | no, in the past, i was using Tor for my browsers and now i'm tired of doing so. |
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| 09:43.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's actually some more copies of that document around: http://www.google.com/search?q=Deep+freeze+the+Lenny+installer+"Please+don't+send+other+types+of+unblock+requests" |
| 09:44.13 | meetings | hello, I have an application-related question. Does anyone use egroupware? does egroupware help the negotiation process of establishing a meeting? |
| 09:44.22 | Ward1983 | hughszg, yes liek part of the o bama speech for example |
| 09:44.32 | hughszg | exactly, |
| 09:44.36 | Ward1983 | hughszg, this came on the news here, the rest of the world knows about it |
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| 09:44.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hughszg, you might consider the scroogle-ssl firefox plugin - actually together with a greasemonkey script that lets the results look like previously |
| 09:44.58 | hughszg | however, the audience have heard of the translation of nazi & communi |
| 09:45.03 | hughszg | :) |
| 09:45.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ward1983, heh... what part? |
| 09:45.42 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, the part about communism lol |
| 09:45.46 | hughszg | then the speech was turned off. luckily enough i know some english and i can read the english version. |
| 09:45.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, can't remember |
| 09:46.12 | Ward1983 | hughszg, they were all confused lol, i saw it on TV |
| 09:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see... google is full of it |
| 09:46.23 | Ward1983 | hughszg, that woman translating didnt know what to do lol |
| 09:46.33 | hughszg | mr obama referred to nazi and communizm in his inaugural speech. |
| 09:46.44 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, made the national news over here, robably in most of europe |
| 09:47.06 | hughszg | chinese state television CCTV live broadcasted it |
| 09:47.08 | Ward1983 | yeah i dunno what was so bas about it |
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| 09:47.19 | Ward1983 | they acted like he said something bad about china |
| 09:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ward1983, I'm not consistently following the news... sometimes weeks go by without me getting news :) |
| 09:47.50 | \amethyst | Xinhua left out "To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history." |
| 09:47.54 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, me too but i allways hear it in the car |
| 09:47.56 | Ward1983 | on the radio |
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| 09:48.19 | hughszg | the CN government always says it's following communizm though they are actually making the country a capitalizm one |
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| 09:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ward1983, I don't want a TV, US radio doesn't play news and I don't consistently look in the internet (I do, but often I don't think of it) |
| 09:48.41 | Tidus | quick question... has the kernel been frozen for a release? |
| 09:48.44 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, ah i didnt know US radio didnt have news |
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| 09:49.05 | Tidus | CutMeOwnThroat: news is what they made the AM band for :) |
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| 09:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tidus, dunno - never listened to AM :) - I'm not used to this - in .de practially every sender broadcasts news every full hour |
| 09:50.25 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, ah you're from .de but you live in the US? |
| 09:50.35 | Ward1983 | (belgian here) |
| 09:50.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 09:50.45 | Ward1983 | living about an hour from koln |
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| 09:50.58 | Ward1983 | no oops |
| 09:51.03 | Ward1983 | aachen i mean offcourse :) |
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| 09:51.32 | Ward1983 | (if we go to germany we allways go to koln or aachen, so i mistake them sometimes) |
| 09:51.33 | Tidus | CutMeOwnThroat: just tune around the AM band a bit, you might run into a news station |
| 09:52.01 | Ward1983 | or buy a world receiver and lister to the german news :p |
| 09:52.52 | Tidus | just curious if the kernel's been frozen |
| 09:52.59 | Ward1983 | so about my problem: why does debian package half packages? |
| 09:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tidus, yeah, will do... but the difficult thing is just that I'm used to something else, I guess... |
| 09:53.09 | Ward1983 | i get a -dev package missing a header of here.... |
| 09:53.16 | Ward1983 | god knows what else it misses |
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| 09:53.44 | petemc | Ward1983: does that mean that debian packages half packages? you're sure its not you making the mistake? |
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| 09:54.12 | Ward1983 | petemc, 99% sure (because 100% is impossible) |
| 09:54.38 | Ward1983 | petemc, well if headers are missing then yes, its half a package imo |
| 09:54.59 | petemc | Ward1983: file a bug against the package then |
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| 09:55.21 | Ward1983 | petemc, so i can expect other packages missing stuff aswell if i keep using debian? |
| 09:55.34 | Ward1983 | petemc, its not important in this case but i really do not like those surprises |
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| 09:56.41 | petemc | Ward1983: what do you want, an apology? |
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| 09:56.55 | Ward1983 | petemc, no i want to know if this is happening common |
| 09:56.59 | petemc | no, its not |
| 09:56.59 | Ward1983 | muc / common |
| 09:57.04 | Ward1983 | sorry for bad english |
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| 09:58.25 | Ward1983 | petemc, ah ok, hope i wont have similar problems in the future then |
| 09:59.17 | petemc | Ward1983: if you do, you're always free to use something else |
| 09:59.44 | Ward1983 | petemc, if you would have said "yes it happens a lot" then i would have formatted right away |
| 09:59.55 | petemc | sensible |
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| 10:00.11 | petemc | debian gnu/linux, the half package distro |
| 10:00.23 | Ward1983 | apperantly.... |
| 10:00.36 | Ward1983 | did i personally attack you or something? |
| 10:00.39 | Ward1983 | you seem to act like it |
| 10:00.49 | SlayerXP | i'm in favour of randomly removing 50% of the packages from debian |
| 10:01.01 | SlayerXP | that way we'll shed all the userbase who are naturally unlucky. |
| 10:01.03 | petemc | its quite an assumption to make "i cant find one header so ill assume that debian cant create workable packages" |
| 10:01.04 | Ward1983 | SlayerXP, you mean 50% of the files inside each package? :p |
| 10:01.25 | Ward1983 | petemc, so what exactly do you expect me to think then? "good job" ? |
| 10:01.34 | petemc | Ward1983: file a bug |
| 10:01.36 | alcohol | I'm in favor of replacing top with htop in future releases |
| 10:01.48 | petemc | maybe fix the package yourself |
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| 10:02.37 | Ward1983 | petemc, well since you say its not fair to assume debian cannot create workable packages "just because a file is missing" i guess its not needed |
| 10:02.40 | Ward1983 | i guess this is normal |
| 10:02.43 | Ward1983 | bug report not needed |
| 10:03.08 | petemc | enjoy your new distro |
| 10:03.19 | Ward1983 | nah ill just compile the package |
| 10:03.51 | Ward1983 | dont feel like reinstalling atm |
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| 10:04.24 | Ward1983 | however if this is how i get treated for asking about such a problem then i indeed do not want to use debian ever again |
| 10:04.34 | Ward1983 | you even act like its the most normal thing lol |
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| 10:07.42 | alcohol | because it is set to /bin ? |
| 10:07.47 | alcohol | just a wild guess. |
| 10:08.29 | ShishKabab | alcohol: But why? Where is this set? |
| 10:08.41 | alcohol | enviroment? |
| 10:08.43 | alcohol | I dunno. |
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| 10:09.58 | ShishKabab | Nope. Not there. |
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| 10:11.12 | enouf | ShishKabab: run ./configure and point ${ENV_VAR} to where you need it to be |
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| 10:13.04 | chakie_work | hi folks. i would need some docs pointer for how to make a debian "package" that consists of multiple binary deb files: libfoo and libfoo-dev. my debian/rules installs into debian/tmp/ just fine but the package is built from contents in debian/libfoo/ and debian/libfoo-dev/ and these directories contain none of my stuff |
| 10:13.40 | ShishKabab | enouf: Thank you. I did "cmake -DBIN_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/bin" and it works correctly. |
| 10:13.49 | chakie_work | how do i install into debian/libfoo[-dev] or make the packaging step use stuff under debian/tmp/? |
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| 10:14.28 | chakie_work | right now my generated packages are emopty except the copyright and README.debian files |
| 10:14.36 | chakie_work | "empty" |
| 10:14.41 | enouf | ShishKabab: i used cmake once .. a while ago, when wodim was first born from the cdrecord ashes debacle, i forget about how to use it |
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| 10:15.55 | enouf | chakie_work: all i can say, is try /msg dpkg nmg |
| 10:16.15 | chakie_work | enouf: i've read it, no help there |
| 10:16.23 | ShishKabab | enouf: Aha. I use CMake for KDE4 development and I like it so far. It's nice and simple. |
| 10:16.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | not even on reading it again? |
| 10:16.38 | enouf | there are other things besides docs in that factoid |
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| 10:16.46 | chakie_work | enouf: it's very brief and doesn't document the multiple case at all |
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| 10:17.22 | chakie_work | i see debian/*.install files that don't seem to be used at all. nor documented |
| 10:17.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's actually more "mg" |
| 10:17.30 | enouf | ShishKabab: well, it's "feature" is cross-compile compatibility, no? (over make) etc |
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| 10:18.01 | hedin | http://rafb.net/p/y2cJPH69.html |
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| 10:18.31 | chakie_work | CutMeOwnThroat: i assume you mean: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 10:18.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... doh, you're right, I dont see any |
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| 10:19.13 | chakie_work | it's trivial if all i have is one single package |
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| 10:19.34 | enouf | have you tried pbuilder? |
| 10:19.52 | chakie_work | i assuming hardcoding the Makefiles to install into the proper debian/libfoo/ directory isn't the way to go |
| 10:20.00 | chakie_work | enouf: no |
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| 10:20.01 | enouf | all the docs/scripts that come with the devscripts pkg? |
| 10:20.41 | chakie_work | no, didn't know there were any |
| 10:20.53 | chakie_work | i assume this can be done, right? |
| 10:20.56 | enouf | has no idea how he knows about them |
| 10:21.05 | ShishKabab | enouf: Apparently. I didn't test that part yet. In the near future I'll try to compile my app on Windows. |
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| 10:22.26 | nucking | is there a debian php package available with --with-mysqli=mysqlnd ? |
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| 10:23.02 | chakie_work | enouf: pbuilder doesn't seem to be anything i want to use |
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| 10:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | chakie_work, actually, multi-binary debs are handled in the maintainer guide |
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| 10:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Once again, as a new maintainer you are discouraged from creating complicated packages, e.g., multiple binary packages, "... |
| 10:24.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 10:25.00 | chakie_work | CutMeOwnThroat: there is a short mention about how to do debian/control, yes |
| 10:25.16 | chakie_work | i want a separate -dev package |
| 10:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | says if you don't know how to do them keep your fingers off :) |
| 10:25.24 | chakie_work | pretty common |
| 10:25.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 10:25.44 | chakie_work | so. it's something you have to inherit from your parents then... |
| 10:25.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not copy it off of a simple package that has a separate -dev? |
| 10:26.03 | enouf | i guess #debian-mentors mention has no meaning |
| 10:26.19 | enouf | puts back the spoon |
| 10:26.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was thinking of suggesting that, yes... |
| 10:26.33 | chakie_work | i'm not trying to become a proper maintainer, i just need to package a few projects |
| 10:26.41 | chakie_work | i'm too dumb for that :) |
| 10:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're more appropriate... and I think of joining there to listen in a bit |
| 10:26.50 | chakie_work | i'm just looking for docs |
| 10:27.02 | chakie_work | not spoon fed instructions |
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| 10:28.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | chakie_work, how about apt-get source render-dev |
| 10:28.56 | nucking | *sigh* |
| 10:29.05 | chakie_work | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll check it out. thank you |
| 10:29.10 | nucking | does nobody use mysqlnd? |
| 10:29.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | chakie_work, bah, I take it back - it's only making the dev |
| 10:29.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what a pity, though :) |
| 10:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a dummy package |
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| 10:31.56 | chakie_work | CutMeOwnThroat: no, your suggestion was excellent |
| 10:32.05 | chakie_work | CutMeOwnThroat: although i looked at libxrender1 |
| 10:32.15 | chakie_work | and there i actually found: "dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp" |
| 10:32.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | chakie_work, the idea was ok, just the actual package was crappy :) |
| 10:32.28 | chakie_work | which was exactly what i wanted |
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| 10:33.52 | chakie_work | CutMeOwnThroat: now the package generation takes files from debian/tmp/ and i actually have content in my debs |
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| 10:33.59 | chakie_work | thanks for the help! |
| 10:34.48 | chakie_work | i saw --sourcedir before, but it's a bit confusingly named so i thought about source code, not the root dir for where installable stuff is |
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| 10:43.31 | dusty_ | Hey guys I have a wierd dns issue that looks like propagation but can't be. Basically I set my own dns server up to host my 3 domains, 2 of them are working resolving fine, the one however will not resolve from my home dsl connection or my work connection (other places it does, e.g. megaproxy.com, my various vps systems around the world). LOok at: http://rafb.net/p/0VZUEr13.html which shows this, however I set all this up last week |
| 10:43.31 | dusty_ | , the last dns change was last week so I have no idea why its not rsolving for me at home, when 72 hours has passed.. anyone got any ideas ? |
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| 10:46.45 | enouf | dusty_: if nobody chimes in (after some time), maybe try ##networking or ##linux |
| 10:47.12 | dusty_ | thank you |
| 10:48.39 | sep | dusty_, are the dns server on your lan ? |
| 10:48.52 | dusty_ | no |
| 10:49.01 | dusty_ | on a vps server hosted elsewhere |
| 10:49.49 | lostson | heh here we go again |
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| 10:50.05 | enouf | McCain/Palin? where?! |
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| 10:50.16 | Skaag | how complex is it to make those nifty dialogs during a debian package installation? I already have a custom package I made |
| 10:50.19 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 10:50.20 | dpkg | <js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
| 10:50.28 | Skaag | is there a recommended guide? |
| 10:50.50 | enouf | Skaag: ncurses? dpkg-reconfigure? debconf? |
| 10:51.20 | Skaag | enouf: all of the above ;-) |
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| 10:51.28 | enouf | Skaag: the .postinst/.preinst/.postrm/.prerm scripts? |
| 10:51.31 | Skaag | yah |
| 10:51.37 | Skaag | :-) |
| 10:51.51 | enouf | Skaag: welp, use one pkg as a base template :-P |
| 10:52.15 | Skaag | yah, I noticed the mysql package has those dialogs |
| 10:52.18 | Skaag | I'll try to poke inside |
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| 10:52.30 | Skaag | I want to pop those up with some sane defaults |
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| 10:52.41 | Skaag | so the user can basically next next next |
| 10:52.54 | Skaag | but in case something is different, he will be able to correct the value |
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| 10:53.06 | enouf | Skaag: the pkg "configure-debian" with -l will list all those dpkg-reconfigure-able |
| 10:53.27 | enouf | Skaag: so .. perhaps you can find an easier template/case |
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| 10:54.10 | enouf | (for the pkgs that are installed) |
| 10:54.50 | Skaag | awesome |
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| 10:58.57 | administrator | ciao |
| 10:58.59 | administrator | !list |
| 10:58.59 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to administrator |
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| 10:59.18 | enouf | oh boy |
| 10:59.19 | enouf | <CIA-4> Turn off SYSFS_DEPRECATED* for newer udev and proper /sys/. |
| 10:59.20 | enouf | <CIA-4> let's see what the fallout gonna be!? |
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| 11:11.03 | debian_noob | Hi |
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| 11:14.38 | madakku | Hi all how can I set my debian client machine to use ldap authentication? |
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| 11:16.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ldap |
| 11:16.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, ldap is TYPE /join #LDAP NOW! or a Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
| 11:17.00 | enouf | eww .. what's with the \n in there? after the 1st URL ... ugh |
| 11:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 11:17.34 | madakku | I dont want to install ldap on my kubuntu. I just want to set authentication by ldap server on my kubuntu client. I have a separate ldap server running on a xen domain. |
| 11:17.42 | madakku | *debian |
| 11:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 11:17.56 | enouf | haha |
| 11:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, I'm so tired I'm hallucinating |
| 11:18.07 | dimir | madakku: you want to use pam-ldap or what? |
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| 11:18.47 | madakku | Is it the normal way to set ldap authentication? Because in centos, setup command is used to configure that. |
| 11:19.01 | dimir | Oh yeah, I remember that. |
| 11:19.24 | madakku | Yup. But I dont find it in debian. |
| 11:19.26 | dimir | In RedCap-based distros. |
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| 11:19.33 | madakku | Can it be done by etc/nsswitch? |
| 11:19.40 | dimir | madakku: I'm not aware of any. I did it all by hands. |
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| 11:19.54 | dimir | madakku: /etc/nsswitch.conf is one place yeah. |
| 11:19.54 | madakku | Oh, from backend? |
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| 11:20.04 | madakku | Any other files? |
| 11:20.10 | madakku | other thatn nsswitch? |
| 11:20.17 | dimir | madakku: then you need to setup the program that you will use to do authentication. |
| 11:20.20 | punto | hi.. how do I see the build dependencies of a package? they don't show up with "apt-cache show" |
| 11:20.29 | dimir | madakku: what will you be using? pam-ldap or what? |
| 11:20.49 | enouf | punto: apt-cache depends |
| 11:20.51 | madakku | I was thinking of that |
| 11:21.39 | dimir | madakku: one way is to use winbindd of samba. |
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| 11:21.54 | madakku | Oh. |
| 11:21.56 | punto | enouf: still only shows the dependencies to run it, not build it |
| 11:22.14 | madakku | I will give that a try. |
| 11:22.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | punto, apt-cache showsrc |
| 11:23.08 | punto | that works, thanks :) |
| 11:23.31 | enouf | punto: try dpkg-checkbuilddeps as well perhaps if you have a control file - or dpkg-depcheck and dpkg-genbuilddeps -- er, apt-get -s build-dep <pkgname> ? |
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| 11:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, apt-cache showsrc |
| 11:23.53 | enouf | punto: could check out auto-apt? |
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| 11:24.05 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: you need to know the source pkgname though |
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| 11:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's usual the same as the package, though |
| 11:24.20 | enouf | !auto-apt |
| 11:24.20 | dpkg | methinks auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=auto-apt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 11:24.28 | enouf | grr |
| 11:24.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you *definitely* get it when you apt-get source any binary package |
| 11:24.46 | punto | enouf: actually I'm looking into building inside a separate tree, so I want to get rid of dependencies :) |
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| 11:25.21 | punto | so I thought the debian package would be a nice way of finding out what it needs |
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| 11:25.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | urgh... dunno if that's "cute"... that seems to me to be more microsoft than microsoft |
| 11:26.00 | gamla_kossan | hi people. I've just installed bind 9 from package, but am a little confused; what do the db.0, db.127 et al do? |
| 11:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnight |
| 11:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | or goday, as it is |
| 11:27.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least sun's not rising yet |
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| 11:29.47 | dokma | hey guys. how can I tell if I need 32bit or 64bit drivers for my Radeon HD3450 ? |
| 11:29.53 | clars | is there an debian irc channel for eeeBox an eeePc ? |
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| 11:31.21 | dokma | isn't it something simple? |
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| 11:31.47 | enouf | dokma: file /bin/ls |
| 11:32.17 | dokma | it's 32bit |
| 11:32.19 | enouf | dokma: also; uname -r says? |
| 11:32.21 | dokma | so that's it? |
| 11:32.33 | dokma | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 11:32.34 | enouf | that's it, AFAICT |
| 11:32.56 | dokma | I also installed 2.6.24-etchnhalf |
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| 11:33.06 | dokma | but it freezes when it initializes the display |
| 11:33.12 | enouf | that;s fine, still 32bit kernel |
| 11:33.12 | dokma | so I figured it's the drivers |
| 11:33.22 | dokma | ok |
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| 11:33.26 | enouf | radeon vs radeonhf |
| 11:33.30 | enouf | !radeon vs radeonhd |
| 11:33.30 | dpkg | <radeon> project started under non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, second project, <radeonhd> started (from scratch) with focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found at: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
| 11:33.31 | dokma | then I will go install that driver |
| 11:33.48 | enouf | dokma: fglrx? |
| 11:34.00 | dokma | the ones from ati |
| 11:34.04 | enouf | !fglrx |
| 11:34.04 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
| 11:34.05 | dokma | they are fglrx |
| 11:34.10 | dokma | amaik |
| 11:34.29 | enouf | careful - not sure how up to date those docs are |
| 11:34.39 | dokma | ok |
| 11:34.42 | dokma | thank you |
| 11:34.46 | chomwitt | hi. in lenny debian i have installed all the fglrx 8-12-4 debs , i compiled the module , and it works allright i guess except dri. Is there another package relevent. what i'd look for? |
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| 11:38.07 | Eulex | chomwitt, do you have the kernel module? |
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| 11:40.15 | chomwitt | i think i compiled successfulu the fglrx-source package |
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| 11:41.39 | clars | when I made the net_install frome the eee image my wireless workt fine after rebooting Im on it, and cant connect wireless |
| 11:42.35 | enouf | !eeepc |
| 11:42.35 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:49.37 | fialar | hi all.. if I am running a mixed apt sources system, how do I tell which packages are installed under which distro? apt-cache policy? |
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| 11:50.12 | chomwitt | !dpkg |
| 11:50.12 | dpkg | from memory, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 11:50.27 | chomwitt | !fglrx |
| 11:50.27 | dpkg | i heard fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
| 11:50.40 | enouf | fialar: maybe apt-listversions |
| 11:50.47 | chomwitt | !fglrx one-liner |
| 11:50.47 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have <non-free sources> in your sources.list. Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or if you get permission denied modprobing fglrx: modprobe -r radeon drm |
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| 11:50.55 | enouf | fialar: or grep-status - or aptitude |
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| 11:51.02 | enouf | chomwitt: please /msg the bot |
| 11:51.27 | fialar | apt-listversions!? |
| 11:51.40 | fialar | that isn't a command |
| 11:51.55 | enouf | !+info apt-listversions |
| 11:51.56 | dpkg | Package 'apt-listversions' does not exist. |
| 11:52.02 | enouf | er |
| 11:52.51 | enouf | fialar: apt-show-versions - lists available package versions with distribution |
| 11:53.16 | fialar | ahh brilliant.. thanks |
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| 11:53.30 | enouf | fialar: grep-status is part of grep-dctrl just for clarity |
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| 11:54.34 | scientes | how do i do a reverse hexdump? |
| 11:54.40 | fialar | I had some packages installed under experimental I wanted to downgrade |
| 11:54.42 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:54.52 | fialar | doesn't seem to want to downgrade them, though |
| 11:55.01 | fialar | even though experimental is lowest in pinning |
| 11:55.12 | enouf | but like -1 ? |
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| 11:55.33 | skwashd | i need to run up a sarge install (internal only) to replicate a client's production environment |
| 11:55.34 | enouf | erm .. what about /etc/apt/apt.conf*/* settings? |
| 11:55.52 | skwashd | is there anywhere i can get the non-us repo from for sarge? |
| 11:56.06 | enouf | scientes: i don't know what you mean ... |
| 11:56.18 | scientes | like you did a hex dump but want to change it back |
| 11:56.20 | fialar | do I need to set experimental to -1? |
| 11:56.21 | enouf | skwashd: non-us repos went away |
| 11:56.24 | fialar | to downgrade from it? |
| 11:56.30 | enouf | !non-us |
| 11:56.30 | dpkg | methinks non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 11:56.31 | skwashd | i know sarge is unsupported, insecure blah blah and the client should upgrade to etch ... but it isn't my call |
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| 11:57.13 | enouf | scientes: if i do hexdump -C file ... and? what do you want to do? |
| 11:57.17 | skwashd | enouf: thanks ... i thought sarge not woody was the last non-us release ... i was wrong |
| 11:58.00 | dupa_ | who have ssh server? |
| 11:58.25 | bolt-work | dupa_: what are you asking for? |
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| 11:58.37 | scientes | ahh found a better way trying to work with wireshark |
| 11:58.49 | dupa_ | i wanna try connect and you show me what ip i have in logs |
| 11:58.52 | dupa_ | can u do it for me? |
| 11:58.54 | Wesley | Hello. I've added a new IP to our debian machine.. but now the 'main' IP seems to be this new IP. how can I set a 'default' IP ? |
| 11:59.00 | enouf | skwashd: /msg dpkg ado |
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| 11:59.06 | bolt-work | dupa_: www.whatismyip.com |
| 11:59.09 | dupa_ | omg |
| 11:59.19 | dupa_ | yea, thx but i make ssh tunnel |
| 11:59.25 | dupa_ | so i will have little problem |
| 11:59.58 | bolt-work | dupa_: what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 12:00.11 | enouf | Wesley: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 12:00.12 | dupa_ | i make ssh tunel |
| 12:00.23 | dupa_ | and i wanna know my ip from what i will connect |
| 12:00.23 | bolt-work | and? |
| 12:00.46 | dupa_ | i give me ip |
| 12:00.50 | dupa_ | i connect |
| 12:00.53 | Wesley | enouf: I've read that but it's still unclear to me |
| 12:00.54 | dupa_ | you show me from logs |
| 12:00.56 | dupa_ | what ip |
| 12:00.57 | dupa_ | k? |
| 12:01.14 | dupa_ | /var/log/auth.log |
| 12:01.15 | bolt-work | make your ssh tunnel, forward your local port 80 to www.whatismyip.com, then go to your local port 80 |
| 12:01.26 | bolt-work | you'll get the ip of your ssh tunnel server |
| 12:01.26 | dupa_ | omg |
| 12:01.26 | enouf | Wesley: are you using DHCP? or static? |
| 12:01.31 | dupa_ | u r really stupid |
| 12:01.32 | skwashd | enouf: already using that ... but thanks for the tip |
| 12:01.38 | enouf | ok |
| 12:01.47 | bolt-work | dupa_: you are not making yourself clear |
| 12:01.49 | liable | !aolsmite dupa_ |
| 12:02.00 | liable | great |
| 12:02.02 | dupa_ | u show how are u stupid |
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| 12:02.14 | enouf | dupa_: stop |
| 12:02.18 | dupa_ | who have ssh server? |
| 12:02.23 | bolt-work | dupa_: which ip is it you want to know and why? |
| 12:02.33 | liable | whoever deleted these factoids has a lot to answer for |
| 12:02.38 | bolt-work | dupa_: your ip, your server's ip or *my* ip? |
| 12:02.54 | bolt-work | ..or something else altogether |
| 12:02.59 | enouf | sick 'em liable .. i got your back mate :-p |
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| 12:03.07 | Wesley | enouf: static |
| 12:03.14 | dupa_ | u give me your ssh server ip, i connect on random password, you show me last line from /var/log/atuh.log |
| 12:03.17 | dupa_ | *auth |
| 12:03.20 | dupa_ | where is problem, omg |
| 12:03.28 | enouf | Wesley: well the docs explain clearly and show examples |
| 12:03.31 | skwashd | dupa_: instead try http://checkip.dyndns.org/ |
| 12:03.44 | bolt-work | dupa_: the problem is there should be absolutely no reason to do that to get what you want |
| 12:03.45 | Wesley | Well maybe it's because I'm not english that I don't know exactly what to look at enouf |
| 12:03.49 | enouf | Wesley: are you having an issue with your default gateway/route? |
| 12:03.52 | bolt-work | dupa_: you are not making sense. at all. |
| 12:03.53 | dupa_ | omg |
| 12:04.00 | dupa_ | AND PPL ASK ME WHY I DONT USE IRC |
| 12:04.07 | dupa_ | 3/4 ppl there are idiots |
| 12:04.09 | bolt-work | dupa_: for your information, you are |
| 12:04.10 | alcohol | WHY DON'T YOU USE IRC DUPA_ ? |
| 12:04.15 | dupa_ | i dont wanna know my ip |
| 12:04.16 | enouf | bolt-work: and dupa_ please use /ig ... thanks ;-) |
| 12:04.19 | dupa_ | because this is tunnel ip |
| 12:04.23 | aib42 | Wesley: you should take a look at your routing table |
| 12:04.25 | dupa_ | and via ssh i cant connect to www |
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| 12:04.35 | dupa_ | u u really too stupid to understend it? |
| 12:04.43 | Wesley | No everything works perfectly enouf; it's just that since i've added the new IP the 'default' IP is this new IP .. so outgoing connections to let's say for example MySQL go from the new IP |
| 12:04.48 | aib42 | Wesley: if you have multiple entries for "0.0.0.0" mask "0.0.0.0", the one with the lowest metric is your 'main' IP |
| 12:04.51 | dupa_ | to check my ip i need ifconfig |
| 12:04.58 | dupa_ | i wanna check ssh tunnel ip |
| 12:05.11 | dupa_ | where my tunnel is over 10 pc's |
| 12:05.13 | dupa_ | .. |
| 12:05.15 | skwashd | dupa_: oh i see your ip address is 127.0.0.1 i can see it now ... hope that helps |
| 12:05.16 | bolt-work | dupa_: when you finally explode, please keep your innards out of my path, thanks. |
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| 12:05.27 | dupa_ | stupid idiots |
| 12:05.35 | enouf | !enouf |
| 12:05.35 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 12:05.40 | alcohol | dupa_: please, /part |
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| 12:06.11 | Wesley | aib: that doesnt make sense to me sorry |
| 12:06.18 | liable | dupa_: stop calling people idiots, especially when you can't seem to use your keyboard to its full potential |
| 12:06.44 | aib42 | Wesley: execute "route". |
| 12:06.48 | Wesley | I did |
| 12:06.56 | Wesley | route -n that is |
| 12:07.06 | enouf | Wesley: output of route, arp, and others will/should help |
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| 12:07.13 | Wesley | Ok. will do |
| 12:07.46 | dupa_ | liable: go learn about OSI |
| 12:08.06 | enouf | Wesley: maybe you have an old DHCP lease you want to remove? |
| 12:08.12 | skwashd | dupa_: if you have tunnelled to a box ... just run ifconfig ... that will give you the ip of the box you are connect to |
| 12:08.15 | bolt-work | dupa_: i guess you just did? |
| 12:08.56 | Wesley | enouf: theres no DHCP setup .. |
| 12:09.41 | aib42 | Wesley: what you need to do is tweak your metric settings so that your 'default' IP has a lower metric than the new IP |
| 12:10.00 | dupa_ | i have tunnel on random 10 boxs |
| 12:10.12 | dupa_ | and u r too stupid to understand that www!=ssh |
| 12:10.18 | enouf | Wesley: well, i can't understand you - are you an ISP? |
| 12:10.24 | dupa_ | and via www i cant check ip from tunnel |
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| 12:10.50 | Wesley | enouf: here is the output http://pastebin.com/m14852db6 |
| 12:11.06 | bolt-work | dupa_: your little brother keeps banging on your keyboard, and it keeps coming out as something that almost resembles english. make him stop, please. |
| 12:11.36 | skwashd | dupa_: and ifconfig doesn't work? |
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| 12:11.37 | enouf | Wesley: you don't assign any "IP" unless you are a) an ISP, or b) you mean LAN addresses |
| 12:11.37 | dupa_ | omg |
| 12:11.37 | Wesley | eth0:1 is the new IP. I want eth0 to be the "main" IP |
| 12:11.37 | dupa_ | u r really idiots |
| 12:11.37 | dupa_ | or some noobs |
| 12:11.38 | Wesley | enouf: ISP. |
| 12:11.58 | enouf | !ops please silence dupa_ for repeatedly calling people names |
| 12:11.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: please silence dupa_ for repeatedly calling people names |
| 12:12.13 | skwashd | dupa_: no we have caught lobotomyism from you |
| 12:12.14 | liable | bah, i was about to reciprocate! |
| 12:12.20 | enouf | dupa_: i asked you twice to stop |
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| 12:12.50 | enouf | i and others |
| 12:13.01 | aib42 | Wesley: you're using ifconfig to set up your interfaces? |
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| 12:13.19 | Wesley | I've edited the interfaces file |
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| 12:14.07 | Wesley | so basicly I want the outgoing file to be eth0, not eth0:1 |
| 12:14.12 | aib42 | ah hold on, I have no idea what that looks like. is there an obvious way to specify a metric for an interface? |
| 12:14.13 | enouf | sorry i spoiled your party liable ;-) |
| 12:14.51 | Wesley | I never really had this before :/ |
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| 12:16.32 | aib42 | Wesley: ah, yes. you can have a 'metric' option. would you add 'metric 10' to the interface with the IP you _don't_ want to be 'default' ? |
| 12:16.50 | Wesley | Hmm ill have to google that one moment |
| 12:17.25 | rvsjoen | can't you just change the default route to go through whatever interface you want to use ? |
| 12:17.27 | aib42 | Wesley: it's just an option like 'address' and 'netmask' |
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| 12:18.10 | yassine | hi everyone |
| 12:18.58 | Wesley | rvsjoen: how exactly would that go? |
| 12:19.30 | skwashd | its all boring now dupa_ is quiet |
| 12:19.32 | yassine | im trying to compile a new kernel and my compilation fails, i'd like to get more debugging information on the compiling process im not sure if the syntax is correct, |
| 12:19.39 | skwashd | enouf: thanks for the help |
| 12:19.41 | skwashd | bye |
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| 12:19.51 | Wesley | I'm a bit puzzled why this is happening; all my other machines just take eth0 as the default 'route' |
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| 12:19.56 | yassine | anyone would point me to the right syntax please : yassine@xeno:/usr/src/linux-2.6.27-xen.hg$ make O=/oslab/build/linux-2.6.27-xen/ -j12 1 |
| 12:20.02 | Wesley | not eth0:1 or whatever is the last eth0:? |
| 12:20.53 | enouf | Wesley: i'm not sure at all - do you want maybe bridge-utils? setup a br0? ...or maybe you want another route table? see 'man ip' (iproute{2} pkgs) -- and/or check out the "/msg dpkg z25" factoid and verify HWaddr is correct match with ethX |
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| 12:21.51 | enouf | Wesley: ls -l /sys/class/net |
| 12:22.07 | rvsjoen | Wesley : my buffer is gone so Im not sure exeactly what you are trying to do, though from the little I know the default route sounds like a solution |
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| 12:23.03 | aib42 | and I just told them how to set the default route but they don't want my help |
| 12:23.14 | enouf | bah - i meant just ls - but nevermind anyway Wesley |
| 12:23.22 | Wesley | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m49387536 |
| 12:23.40 | Wesley | rvsjoen: I'm trying to 'set' eth0 as the default IP (outgoing connection) |
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| 12:23.59 | Wesley | But am I wrong to think that normal eth0 is the 'main' and eth0:? comes behind it? |
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| 12:24.20 | enouf | i just did ~$ sudo ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.0.3 up ; ifconfig -a which shows the new eth0:0 - but ls /sys/class/net only still shows eth0 and lo |
| 12:24.23 | rvsjoen | eth0:? is just an alias |
| 12:25.07 | Wesley | rvsjoen: here is my output http://pastebin.com/m14852db6 |
| 12:25.08 | enouf | Wesley: all the ethX:X are aliases |
| 12:25.53 | Wesley | and by alias, that mean's what exactly? |
| 12:26.01 | Posterdati | I hate nut |
| 12:26.07 | Wesley | I know what they are ofcourse just trying to understand what you mean by it hehe |
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| 12:26.51 | enouf | aib42: one doesn't need a metric to set a default route, does one? ... or one does when aliases are used? (just trying to understand) |
| 12:27.17 | Wesley | on all the other servers I see no metric used |
| 12:27.23 | Wesley | or any specific route tables |
| 12:27.35 | Wesley | and they all take eth0 as the 'outgoing/main' IP |
| 12:27.49 | aib42 | enouf: AFAIK Metric _is_ the metric used to determine the default route |
| 12:28.01 | enouf | Wesley: alias ifaces basically means virtualized .. but alias generally means renamed, or other name ... depending |
| 12:28.14 | enouf | aib42: ok |
| 12:28.37 | enouf | Wesley: are you working in a VM? using openvz or something like Xen or similar? |
| 12:28.40 | aib42 | good luck trying to explain that to Wesley after he starts ignoring you in... oh about a minute |
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| 12:29.00 | aib42 | s/he starts/they start |
| 12:29.11 | Wesley | aib: I'm not ignoring you, sorry if it looks that way |
| 12:29.16 | Wesley | I'm also just trying to understand |
| 12:29.30 | enouf | aib42: i still do not feel like i have enough info - there's many misunderstandings of terms being bandied about, and i'm not helping, so i'll shutup now |
| 12:30.02 | Wesley | aib42 why do you think I am ignoring you anyways? |
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| 12:30.12 | rvsjoen | Wesley : please put the output of "ip route;ip addr; in a pastebin |
| 12:30.12 | enouf | Wesley: i just never heard or used the term "default IP" |
| 12:30.30 | enouf | default route or gateway? yes |
| 12:30.32 | Wesley | Same here, I just have no idea what name I should give it :) |
| 12:30.45 | Wesley | one moment rvsjoen |
| 12:31.03 | aib42 | Wesley: I'd have to scroll up, but I remember waiting for a response from you somewhere ... anyway, |
| 12:31.08 | enouf | goes and sits in the corner for a while |
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| 12:31.26 | aib42 | Wesley: since both the metrics are 0, I take it that it just means you don't have a preferred default route |
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| 12:31.50 | liable | throws the dunce hat his way |
| 12:31.50 | vovo4ka | hi all |
| 12:31.55 | aib42 | so I don't know what is causing the stack to choose :1 over :0 on _this_ particular box, but I'd just give the preferred route a normal metric |
| 12:32.09 | pred2k3 | hi, how to integrate a driver (and remove an existing one) into the current debian netinstall? |
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| 12:32.15 | petemc | i have multiple interfaces/gateways aliased, it uses the interface brought up as the preferred gateway, it seems |
| 12:32.29 | liable | petemc: what do you mean? |
| 12:32.32 | petemc | the LAST interface, i should say |
| 12:32.38 | liable | pred2k3: what do you mean |
| 12:32.38 | Wesley | aib42: I didn't even noticed the metric colum there. so you're right.. but I'm really wondering why my other servers by default (no metrics) do have eth0 as 'default' outgoing IP |
| 12:32.41 | vovo4ka | i have a problem with pptpd ( 100 maximum connections even when i apt-build pptpd and changed MAX_CONNECTION 8-(( |
| 12:32.45 | liable | pred2k3: nicktab borkage |
| 12:32.46 | vovo4ka | help ) |
| 12:33.03 | liable | gah |
| 12:33.07 | liable | !lose me |
| 12:33.07 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 12:33.28 | Wesley | rvsjoen: http://pastebin.com/m4748a503 is the output |
| 12:33.29 | aib42 | Wesley: I don't know how routing preferences are made in the case of equal metrics |
| 12:33.31 | pred2k3 | I cant install install and boot netinstall, because the wrong nic card driver is chosen |
| 12:33.42 | enouf | pulls the rum candy out of liable 's hands |
| 12:33.52 | pred2k3 | -install |
| 12:33.57 | liable | pred2k3: ethernet driver? |
| 12:33.57 | aib42 | I've never even seen a metric of 0. most of my setups had '1' for the loopback, '10' for the "default" path and maybe 20 for LAN |
| 12:33.58 | pred2k3 | yes |
| 12:34.07 | liable | pred2k3: which card? |
| 12:34.30 | petemc | aib42: http://pastebin.com/m3e4479cd |
| 12:35.12 | rvsjoen | Wesley : remove the two default routes (by using 'ip del <and copy the rule definition from that output>', then add a default route through using 'ip add default via 62.XXX.XX.40 dev eth0:1" |
| 12:35.27 | Wesley | aib42: http://pastebin.com/m163659a7 - this machine has 200 IP's |
| 12:35.48 | rvsjoen | correction, 'ip route del' and 'ip route add' |
| 12:35.49 | Wesley | where eth0 is the outgoing IP |
| 12:35.51 | pred2k3 | the r8169 is chosen, but I need the 8101 which isnt integrated |
| 12:36.02 | Wesley | rvsjoen: hmm not really an option now.. it's a remove server hehe |
| 12:36.12 | Wesley | I guess I'm gonna read some more about ifmetric |
| 12:36.20 | Wesley | never really tried it tho |
| 12:36.32 | aib42 | Wesley: ah I see, you don't want to screw with the configuration. |
| 12:36.41 | Wesley | ps; I don't want 62.XXX.XX.40 as my default IP |
| 12:36.46 | Wesley | but the .8 IP (eth0) |
| 12:36.49 | aib42 | Wesley: well, you should just be able to edit the metric of the default route(s) using 'route' |
| 12:36.58 | liable | pred2k3: which installer version are you using? theres no easy way around this if its not in the installer. |
| 12:37.12 | Wesley | I don't mind editing the configuration ofcourse, rather so it next time when I'm on location |
| 12:37.28 | aib42 | Wesley: hold on, isn't there another entry with '0.0.0.0' destination? |
| 12:37.35 | pred2k3 | liable: the current netinstall release |
| 12:37.44 | pred2k3 | and its not in the installler |
| 12:37.51 | liable | pred2k3: lenny or etch? |
| 12:38.07 | pred2k3 | 40r6 |
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| 12:38.17 | Wesley | what pastebin are you refering to aib42? |
| 12:38.31 | liable | pred2k3: whats the box for? server or personal? |
| 12:38.58 | petemc | aib42: dont confuse Wesleys with mine, i just showed you mine to show you multiple gateways with 0 metric |
| 12:39.05 | pred2k3 | clonezilla server |
| 12:39.19 | pred2k3 | but only temporary |
| 12:39.20 | liable | pred2k3: ok, try the etch and a half installer. |
| 12:39.24 | liable | !etchnhalf |
| 12:39.25 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 12:39.34 | aib42 | Wesley: I'm referring to your 'route -n' output, as the paste doesn't show multiple 0.0.0.0 route entries |
| 12:39.40 | chomwitt | if i purge the fglrx packages while i use the x server woudlnt that create problem? |
| 12:39.45 | aib42 | petemc: you just have duplicate entries :D |
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| 12:40.25 | pred2k3 | thats what I already got liable |
| 12:40.25 | Wesley | I've pasted two route -n outputs; one on a server where things do run normal |
| 12:40.30 | Wesley | and the server with the 'problem' |
| 12:40.31 | petemc | aib42: its one for each aliased interface |
| 12:41.17 | liable | pred2k3: you already have that installer? |
| 12:41.19 | aib42 | oh sorry they looked identical. why doesn't the Iface column show aliases anyway |
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| 12:41.36 | liable | pred2k3: it says its a 26 kernel in the installer? |
| 12:41.37 | pred2k3 | yes liable |
| 12:41.54 | enouf | liable: etch-backports? |
| 12:41.58 | pred2k3 | yep |
| 12:42.02 | pred2k3 | 2.6.24 |
| 12:42.05 | Wesley | Hmm I indeed see two 0.0.0.0's to eth0 |
| 12:42.09 | enouf | that's etchnhalf |
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| 12:42.25 | liable | the etchnhalf installer is 2.6.26 isnt it? |
| 12:42.28 | achilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.34 | liable | but the kernel it installs is 24 |
| 12:42.35 | enouf | not that i know of liable |
| 12:42.41 | enouf | oh .. nm |
| 12:42.54 | enouf | liable: how/why would that be? :-P |
| 12:43.02 | liable | enouf: magic! |
| 12:43.12 | enouf | !8ball is liable correct? |
| 12:43.13 | dpkg | Yes. |
| 12:43.18 | enouf | !win liable |
| 12:43.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 12:43.28 | bolt-work | achilles: mostly, you can't. google reverse dns though |
| 12:43.29 | liable | see.. |
| 12:43.39 | achilles | bolt-work, oh sorry |
| 12:43.50 | achilles | bolt-work, I didn't phrase the correct question |
| 12:44.00 | enouf | liable: i know the etchnhalf uses the lenny beta/rc installer, rather than etch;s installer |
| 12:44.02 | bolt-work | achilles: ? |
| 12:44.03 | achilles | I mean the netbios name of a LAN |
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| 12:44.17 | achilles | I have 192.168.1.1 .. want's it's netbios name |
| 12:44.36 | bolt-work | achilles: ah. doesn't smbclient have an option for that or something? |
| 12:44.37 | enouf | smbclient -L ? |
| 12:44.48 | bolt-work | like -L, yes :) |
| 12:45.27 | pred2k3 | liable: what now? as I said I want to integrate the driver into the netinstall, but how? |
| 12:45.36 | yassine | while trying to compile a new kernel i get the following error msg http://rafb.net/p/LagAxo60.html anyone here can tell me whats exactly wrong there please? |
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| 12:48.25 | liable | pred2k3: you basically need to build the module aganst the 2.6.26-486 kernel the installer is built on, and insmod it from external media. but if it isnt in that kernel, you need to build it again for the installed kernel, so really, you are best off just installing from cd media, and then building the module after install |
| 12:48.30 | liable | brb |
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| 12:49.05 | enouf | achilles: does that work? if not, try 'apropos netbios' |
| 12:49.20 | enouf | nmblookup (1) - NetBIOS over TCP/IP client used to lookup NetBIOS names |
| 12:49.23 | achilles | enouf, no it didn't .. just a minute let me check |
| 12:49.27 | toor | my debian lenny has a boot splash screen now, I do not know where it comes from... |
| 12:49.35 | toor | but the status bar didn't work |
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| 12:49.52 | enouf | i see nmbd and lmhosts as well |
| 12:50.04 | pred2k3 | liable, so I need to install a non netinstall (cd1), get the linux-headers and build-essential and after that install the drive? |
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| 12:53.36 | liable | pred2k3: yes, you need a cd with the packages for building kernel modules, I dont think they are on cd1 (they didnt used to be) |
| 12:53.41 | liable | !cd contents |
| 12:53.41 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 12:54.06 | enouf | pred2k3: IIUC, you can use your rtl8189? if so, you can easily grab what you need - then blacklist that module |
| 12:55.01 | aib42 | Wesley: I think 'metric' might have been superceded by something. What, I do not know. http://linux-ip.net/html/tools-ip-route.html |
| 12:55.22 | liable | oh, so the module actually works? |
| 12:55.40 | Wesley | yeah I was reading on that aswell |
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| 12:56.41 | pred2k3 | cant use the 9169 |
| 12:56.43 | pred2k3 | 8169 |
| 12:56.48 | pred2k3 | boot fails |
| 12:57.14 | enouf | boot? or netcfg? |
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| 12:58.18 | pred2k3 | uncompressing linux... loading please wait.. BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer reference |
| 12:58.27 | aib42 | Wesley: they can't have made it this difficult, though: http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html there has to be a simpler way. the old way was to just set the 'metric's. |
| 12:58.54 | liable | pred2k3: that has nothing to do with your ethernet driver |
| 12:59.35 | Wesley | I been reading and reading and reading and I see so many way's to do it not one seems to be the same :/ |
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| 12:59.56 | pred2k3 | what then? |
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| 13:00.46 | liable | pred2k3: where exactly did you get that installer from? was it a daily build? give us the exact link. |
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| 13:01.38 | p0g0 | liable: whatever it was that I said nice about snow...well, snow=good...freezing rain=bad (7 days sans main power)... |
| 13:02.08 | enouf | p0g0: oUCH! |
| 13:02.23 | liable | p0g0: funny timing ;) |
| 13:02.27 | kronic | where can I find previous version of a package (eg. iceweasel for lenny)? |
| 13:02.35 | kronic | vmware is being a bitch with 3.0.5 |
| 13:02.42 | p0g0 | liable: yeah, I'm still laughing... |
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| 13:03.12 | liable | p0g0: i meant about your comment in this channel, and mine in madwifi.. |
| 13:04.18 | aib42 | Wesley: what does your 'ip route list' output look like? |
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| 13:07.12 | juniorsa | Hi, is there a command to increment or better yet change the serial number in all my zone files safely at once? |
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| 13:09.54 | pred2k3 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 13:12.06 | Wesley | aib42: I figured it out.. I think; I've removed the 'gayeway' from eth0:0 interfaces file - ifup eth0:1 ifdown eth0:1 |
| 13:12.17 | Wesley | and now all traffic goes trough eth0 |
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| 13:13.20 | liable | pred2k3: its strnge you are getting a kernel error like that on the installer. i'm at a bit of a loss why, as it is a bad bug, and should have been reported and fixed. |
| 13:13.22 | aib42 | but you can't access the internet from eth0:1 now |
| 13:13.27 | Wesley | I can aib42 |
| 13:13.29 | aib42 | (though that may not be a problem) |
| 13:13.36 | Wesley | it's perfectly reachable |
| 13:13.47 | aib42 | well yes, but I guess it would go through eth0 |
| 13:14.02 | Wesley | true dat |
| 13:14.35 | Wesley | don't have any problems with that |
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| 13:15.30 | aib42 | Wesley: well the most common solution seems to be to set up multiple routing tables and use different ones depending on the source IP. -- all those different google results converge on this, if you need to set up multiple default routes in the future |
| 13:16.04 | Wesley | yeah I have to read some more about that, and I really didn't dare to do that on a remote (live) server |
| 13:16.23 | aib42 | I'm mentioning this because you said they all gave different ways to solve the problem. I think they all use the same underlying principle. |
| 13:16.24 | aib42 | yeah, heh |
| 13:16.26 | aib42 | good luck |
| 13:16.46 | Wesley | Can you imagine any big problems with the current way I did this? |
| 13:17.01 | Wesley | I got it from this blog: http://www.lackhead.org/2008/02/outgoing-traffic-with-ip-aliasing/ |
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| 13:17.06 | Wesley | (can I paste url's?) |
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| 13:21.24 | juniorsa | Hi, is there a command to increment or better yet change the serial number in all my zone files safely at once? anyone? |
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| 13:23.54 | aib42 | Wesley: imagine, no. but we both know how much I know about this new networking stuff now.. |
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| 13:24.26 | aib42 | Wesley: if eth0:1 represented a different physical internet connection, then that would have become inaccessible now. (like eth0:0 cable, eth0:1 ADSL) |
| 13:25.25 | aib42 | Wesley: then you just told your kernel to route everything through the cable. alternatives would be load-balancing, or choosing Cable/ADSL access depending on the source of the packet |
| 13:26.12 | aib42 | Wesley: I imagine this does not relate to you right now |
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| 13:28.39 | Stereo_ | hello |
| 13:29.07 | Stereo_ | I'm trying to patch the debian kernel with linux-patch-grsecurity2 on lenny, but the patch won't apply to debian's source version |
| 13:29.34 | Stereo_ | I couldn't find anything in /u/s/doc, the kernel handbook or google in general |
| 13:29.39 | Stereo_ | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 13:29.53 | zamuro | Have you installed kernel headers? |
| 13:29.59 | liable | without showing the patch error, we cant tell |
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| 13:30.34 | Skaag | I am trying to extract a deb file, in order to review its /DEBIAN/ directory, the control file, the postinst, etc. however dpkg -x only opens the files, without the debian related files... what am I doing wrong? |
| 13:30.47 | liable | try -c |
| 13:30.55 | liable | iirc |
| 13:31.03 | jelly | Skaag: --control |
| 13:31.11 | Skaag | ok |
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| 13:31.38 | Skaag | thanks, that worked |
| 13:31.49 | Skaag | it only extracted the DEBIAN directory, which is actually exactly what I wanted |
| 13:31.56 | jelly | Skaag: ie. dpkg --extract foo.deb somedir && dpkg --control foo.deb somedir/DEBIAN will make a tree ready to be messed with and repacked ;-) |
| 13:32.28 | Stereo_ | the error is "No "Greater Security for Linux 2.6" patch found for kernel version 2.6.26" |
| 13:32.34 | Skaag | yah |
| 13:32.50 | Stereo_ | the kernel headers aren't installed - I'm building a new kernel |
| 13:32.58 | jelly | blinks and realizes what grsec stands for |
| 13:33.02 | liable | Stereo_: paste the command you used and its output to a pastebin |
| 13:33.09 | Stereo_ | ok |
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| 13:33.41 | jelly | Stereo_: for grsecurity you really want to use the upstream patch instead of an old packaged version |
| 13:34.06 | jelly | (where upstream ~ grsecurity.net) |
| 13:34.26 | Stereo_ | right |
| 13:35.04 | Stereo_ | but I kinda liked the idea of using the debian version of things :) |
| 13:35.21 | Stereo_ | http://pastie.textmate.org/private/brxtl8xykusf0i6wdpg |
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| 13:36.10 | steven__ | Hi |
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| 13:36.38 | steven__ | Im attempting to backport a package, but my machine is i386, how would i compile it for an amd64 machine ?? |
| 13:36.53 | jelly | Stereo_: that's preferred up until the point it messes with actual functionality. I guess you can adapt the patch for the debian way (ie. bring the package up-to-date) |
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| 13:37.13 | steven__ | is cross-compiling reccomended or should i use an amd64 host ? |
| 13:37.15 | Stereo_ | yeah, that sounds like more work than I'd like |
| 13:37.44 | batcoder-7 | anyone here have experience with configuring mc? |
| 13:37.54 | alcohol | yeah |
| 13:38.05 | alcohol | I usually go for the big mac menu |
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| 13:38.26 | jelly | Stereo_: me, I'd just use an kernel.org source and the a grsecurity.net patch, then build packages with make-kpkg from the patched tree |
| 13:38.54 | Stereo_ | yeah, that's probably what I'll do |
| 13:39.13 | Stereo_ | still, it's odd that etch has that packages if it's going to ship with 2.6.18 |
| 13:39.15 | jelly | Stereo_: our web machine sysadmins don't even do that, they just build and make install ;-) |
| 13:39.30 | Stereo_ | same here; I'm trying to civilise them :) |
| 13:39.52 | alcohol | I just install from a net install cd |
| 13:39.53 | alcohol | :< |
| 13:39.57 | jelly | Stereo_: I guess starting with simple usage of make-kpkg might be a good start |
| 13:40.01 | Stereo_ | showing them how nice aptitude is, how you don't have to vim /etc/passwd every time :) |
| 13:40.03 | Stereo_ | yeah |
| 13:40.12 | Stereo_ | vanilla tree, here we come then |
| 13:41.09 | batcoder-7 | alcohol, i was talkjing about the program mifnight commander |
| 13:41.12 | batcoder-7 | midnight |
| 13:41.28 | alcohol | I was talking about mcdonalds |
| 13:41.41 | batcoder-7 | i am trying to give it a custom command for opening an editor |
| 13:41.56 | batcoder-7 | but i can;t seem to find out how to do it anywhere |
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| 13:42.41 | rudolf_ | hi |
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| 13:43.17 | rudolf_ | if i need a file like Xutils.h to compiling something. there is a method to check which package contain this file? |
| 13:43.36 | enouf | rudolf_: try apt-file |
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| 13:43.57 | enouf | !+tell rudolf_ -about apt-file |
| 13:43.57 | dpkg | told rudolf_ about apt-file. |
| 13:44.28 | mats | good morning! is there anybody up, who knows how i can get sound? i'm using a intel alc883 (with debian i got some sound; but not with ubuntu; is there any possibility to take the debian driver informations and tell them ubuntu?) |
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| 13:45.03 | batcoder-7 | what is the diference between screen and switching tty's ? |
| 13:45.49 | cusco | all |
| 13:46.08 | cusco | screen is tty independendt |
| 13:46.35 | batcoder-7 | does it do pretty much the same thing though? |
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| 13:46.57 | cusco | I guess it depends on your point of view |
| 13:46.59 | _44kbps_ | hi people |
| 13:47.03 | cusco | imagine you have no tty's left |
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| 13:47.53 | hekatomb | mats: the only 'driver' related difference would be module/kernel version - also - ubuntu isn't really supported here |
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| 13:48.18 | abrotman | batcoder-7: and you can disconnect from screen, and leave things running .. screen does quite a bit more than a regular tty |
| 13:48.25 | enouf | mats: that's a nice thought, but we don't/can't support ubuntu here - and audio is one of those (somewhat) major differences areas between them and us |
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| 13:49.01 | _44kbps_ | I have a little question about the debian and ubuntu. I'm running Ubuntu in a MacBook, and I can't do more partitions on my hd. I want to have a native debian running. |
| 13:49.08 | enouf | mats: if you like, and you run Debian - perhaps someone here will chime in with some help, once you present your issue clearly and such |
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| 13:49.26 | _44kbps_ | It's possible to make it run using debootstrap?¿ |
| 13:49.31 | mats | enouf / hekatomb : where can i ask for my problem? |
| 13:49.42 | abrotman | _44kbps_: in a chroot you mean? |
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| 13:50.07 | enouf | mats: well, for ubuntu - you know where, and try ##linux even |
| 13:50.09 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, ah |
| 13:50.15 | _44kbps_ | Yes, but it's possible to "make a chroot" in the init grub? |
| 13:50.20 | batcoder-7 | never tried it in all these years |
| 13:50.54 | enouf | batcoder-7: also take a peek at dtach.sf.net |
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| 13:51.32 | enouf | _44kbps_: you don't need so many partitions - merge a few or something ;-) |
| 13:51.44 | abrotman | _44kbps_: or you could run debian in a vm |
| 13:51.45 | Posterdati | I hate nut |
| 13:51.52 | enouf | _44kbps_: or .. use an external drive ;-) |
| 13:52.07 | _44kbps_ | I want to use directly, with no VM |
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| 13:52.41 | _44kbps_ | I installed debian in /debian |
| 13:52.45 | _44kbps_ | with debootstrap |
| 13:52.58 | _44kbps_ | but I want to get running in grub |
| 13:53.07 | _44kbps_ | with chroot |
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| 13:53.17 | abrotman | without you mean ? |
| 13:53.32 | diclev | Who knows! I've installed "TeamSpeak Client", but there is no sound. There is in settings 2 points: "OSS" (I've got ALSA), and "Other", where it needs to write the path to driver. Please say, what's a path to driver ALSA? |
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| 13:55.15 | liable | diclev: use oss, is sound-pcm-oss module loaded? |
| 13:55.17 | _44kbps_ | I explained it correctly? |
| 13:55.30 | hekatomb | snd-pcm-oss |
| 13:55.37 | liable | oh, yeah |
| 13:55.41 | cusco | or install alsa-oss |
| 13:55.51 | diclev | installed! |
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| 13:56.06 | cusco | then oss should work |
| 13:56.06 | diclev | but don't work |
| 13:56.16 | diclev | no, no |
| 13:56.19 | _44kbps_ | I want to run in a chroot enviroment my debian installation in the /debian (installed with debootstrap) with grub |
| 13:56.32 | Zvpun | I just noticed that vim from package vim has :version -clipboard, what version has +clipboard. I also question the default of -clipboard. |
| 13:56.55 | batcoder-7 | is it a problem if i still use midnight commander as my main file manager? am i missing anything in nautilus etc? |
| 13:58.12 | diclev | O_o kadrs |
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| 14:05.34 | jelly | batcoder-7: hey, if it works for you... |
| 14:06.02 | batcoder-7 | you jinxed me |
| 14:06.17 | batcoder-7 | i cant get midnight commander to do this custom command for this editor |
| 14:06.24 | jelly | what's the worst thing that could happen? |
| 14:06.27 | batcoder-7 | i need to add a few params hmm |
| 14:06.27 | jelly | hides |
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| 14:09.20 | batcoder-7 | maybe midnight commander is just not for this hmm |
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| 14:12.29 | enouf | rudolf_: welcome - please don't pm people without asking 1st - and i don't know if slackware has an equivalent to apt-file - ask #slackware or ##linux or whatever |
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| 14:12.41 | bittin_ | enouf: slapt-get |
| 14:12.43 | bittin_ | or slack-get |
| 14:12.46 | bittin_ | or what its called |
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| 14:14.13 | batcoder-7 | why is this not valid? |
| 14:14.16 | batcoder-7 | EDITOR=/usr/bin/gvim --remote-tab |
| 14:14.22 | abrotman | quote it? |
| 14:14.38 | batcoder-7 | says its not a valid indentifer |
| 14:14.39 | batcoder-7 | hmmm |
| 14:14.46 | batcoder-7 | --remote-tab that is |
| 14:15.04 | batcoder-7 | but i really need it to use that param |
| 14:15.07 | alcohol | EDITOR="/usr/bin/gvim --remote-tab" |
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| 14:15.26 | dupa_ | rm -rf / |
| 14:15.36 | alcohol | yeah that works too |
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| 14:15.50 | lazarus477 | Howdy |
| 14:16.12 | dupa_ | rm -rf /boot/*;halt |
| 14:16.12 | dupa_ | ;] |
| 14:16.26 | lazarus477 | Small problem. Sambas NMBD does not start up along side of SMBD when I bring up my system. |
| 14:16.32 | dupa_ | lazarus477: rm -rf /boot/*;halt |
| 14:16.38 | lazarus477 | I remember I figured this out a while back but forget what I did. |
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| 14:16.44 | batcoder-7 | for some reason its not liek that param there |
| 14:16.46 | hekatomb | quite the joker |
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| 14:17.02 | lazarus477 | I shall check, thanks |
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| 14:17.46 | alcohol | what is NMBD again? |
| 14:17.59 | lazarus477 | Hell |
| 14:18.00 | lazarus477 | dupa |
| 14:18.07 | lazarus477 | thats a joke |
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| 14:18.20 | lazarus477 | That would totally mess things up |
| 14:18.21 | lazarus477 | lol |
| 14:18.25 | lazarus477 | ok any serious helpers? |
| 14:18.38 | akina | hi! i'm recording video and audio using vcl from a webcam and microphone, i can record the video but in a very large size and in avi format. can help me how to record the video in any format but smallest file size ? here's the command i used: vlc v4l:// :v4l-vdev="/dev/video0" :v4l-adev="/dev/dsp" :v4l-norm=3 :v4l-frequency=-1 --sout file/avi:movie.avi |
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| 14:20.55 | enouf | akina: you're better off asking in #v4l and #videolan channels, but AVI is only a container - figure out which codecs are being used, i guess mp4/xvid/divx would give you smallest size with decvent quality |
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| 14:21.21 | akina | enouf: thanks |
| 14:21.36 | enouf | akina: look into transcoding into Ogg Vorbis/Theora perhaps |
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| 14:22.30 | enouf | akina: there are tools such as ffmpeg2ogg (or whatever) and oggenc |
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| 14:23.23 | enouf | akina: here, bookmark it http://wiki.transmission.cc/index.php/FOSS_Codecs_For_Online_Video:_Usability_Uptake_and_Development_1.2 |
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| 14:23.28 | Optic | hey, i have an apt-get question... if I do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade from a script, is there any way to tell if any packages were installed/updated? |
| 14:23.33 | MaximusBrood | Hello. For the Apache 2.x server packaged with Debian, is there a 'configuration tester' so I can make sure the new configuration doesn't contain any errors/typos? |
| 14:24.07 | Optic | the manpage for apt-get says it returns 0 on success, but that's not very helpful :) |
| 14:24.09 | enouf | guess it's called "ffmpeg2theora" heh . .thought so |
| 14:24.13 | akina | enouf: thanks so much! |
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| 14:24.38 | enouf | akina: np |
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| 14:25.59 | human_compiler | writes assembly :/ |
| 14:26.54 | enouf | Optic: use set -x in your script? |
| 14:27.21 | Optic | what does that do? |
| 14:27.33 | Optic | googles |
| 14:27.35 | enouf | Optic: check that /var/log/dpkg.log has changed once done? |
| 14:28.01 | enouf | Optic: man bash and bash-builtins ... do 'help set' |
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| 14:28.15 | batcoder-7 | well forget midnight commander |
| 14:28.23 | batcoder-7 | thunar all the way now |
| 14:28.36 | Optic | enouf: thanks! all helpful. I'll give it a try |
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| 14:28.45 | Optic | now i must go to a meeting :P |
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| 14:32.39 | arezey | hellos. i'm trying to install the broadcom driver, and that requires kernel headers, so i installed linux-headers-2.6.26-1-486, but still /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-486/build has no files within... what package provides the contents for it? |
| 14:33.10 | arezey | tried with apt-file, no worky... how do you get the files? |
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| 14:34.29 | enouf | MaximusBrood: likely best to set it all up in a VM and test that way |
| 14:34.46 | MaximusBrood | enouf: Okay, too bad. Thanks :) |
| 14:35.08 | enouf | arezey: uname -r ; ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-486/build |
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| 14:35.31 | enouf | MaximusBrood: well - that doesn't mean there aren't other options! |
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| 14:35.56 | arezey | enouf, uname -r is 2.6.26-1-486, ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-486/build gives "total 0" |
| 14:36.25 | enouf | arezey: er ... |
| 14:36.25 | arezey | yeah, i installed the headers and it's empty! |
| 14:36.48 | enouf | arezey: no, that file is a symlink |
| 14:37.01 | enouf | arezey: ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 14:37.14 | arezey | build seems to be a regular directory here |
| 14:37.32 | enouf | it's not supposed to be - it's supposed to be a symlink! |
| 14:37.36 | enouf | arezey: ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 14:37.36 | arezey | oh.. |
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| 14:37.50 | enouf | ~$ ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build |
| 14:37.51 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2008-09-07 09:28 /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 14:37.57 | arezey | okies thanks |
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| 14:38.10 | enouf | well, if you found a bug - please report it arezey |
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| 14:38.24 | enouf | arezey: otherwise, did you muck it up on your own? |
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| 14:39.48 | enouf | i'll take that as a resounding YES! :-P |
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| 14:42.04 | twisted` | yo, I installed debian without the desktop environment just the base system... but I really want wifi to work but cannot find any guide to it... I got my wifi card reconised by the kernel (ath5k) and got the wifitools installed, but iwlist wlan0 scan tells me the device is down. how the hell do I get it up?! |
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| 14:42.46 | enouf | dpkg: say "slowly stroke me" |
| 14:42.46 | dpkg | "slowly stroke me" |
| 14:43.28 | enouf | twisted`: ls /sys/class/net |
| 14:43.51 | enouf | !ath5k |
| 14:43.52 | dpkg | ath5k is, like, a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx wireless LAN chipsets. It is a new driver under heavy development. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k and http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/About/ath5k for more information. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See also <wireless tree>. |
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| 14:44.42 | twisted` | enouf: eth0 lo wlan0 wmaster0 |
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| 14:45.08 | vchrizz | hi, when i plug in my usb stick, gnome mounts it correctly but i cant write to it over graphical desktop.. in shell as root is no problem... (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=lower,uid=1000) |
| 14:45.41 | amitz | twisted` : ifup wlan0 up . But it won't be configured yet. |
| 14:45.58 | enouf | er |
| 14:46.16 | enouf | ifup wlan0 -or- ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 14:46.17 | vchrizz | i googled a bit and read something about gnome-mount... but where is the config for gnome-mount, how does it mount recognized devices? |
| 14:46.19 | twisted` | amitz: which package gives me the ifupcommand? |
| 14:46.31 | enouf | use iwconfig |
| 14:46.36 | enouf | wireless-tools |
| 14:46.41 | arezey | enouf, i guess so.. |
| 14:46.50 | twisted` | iwconfig: unknown command "up" |
| 14:46.54 | twisted` | already tried that one... |
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| 14:47.15 | enouf | heh - guess it isn't the same :-p |
| 14:47.27 | arezey | forgot to add a subdirectory when removing that darn directory and destroyed a nice portion of his modules directory >_<. |
| 14:48.00 | twisted` | thannkkkssss |
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| 14:51.22 | enouf | arezey: reinstall your linux-image-version pkg, might need to employ "/msg dpkg confmiss" help |
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| 14:52.48 | enouf | http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
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| 14:55.56 | myeggo | good morning or afternoon |
| 14:56.01 | dusty | 0 7 * * * /usr/local/sbin/postfix_report.sh &> /dev/null <-- would that be run at 7pm or 7am ? |
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| 14:56.11 | myeggo | where can i find information about creating plugins for gnome |
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| 14:56.26 | myeggo | such like weather and that useless but funny things? |
| 14:57.06 | petemc | myeggo: have you perused gnome.org |
| 14:57.34 | myeggo | is a very big portal |
| 14:57.48 | petemc | thats where the info would be |
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| 14:58.36 | max06 | Hi everybody... I need to have the /dev-folder mapped to /home/jail/dev, so I typed "mount -o bind /dev /home/jail/dev". The problem is, that /home/jail/dev/pts/ is empty, but /dev/pts/ is full with entries... Can anybody tell me, how to map /dev to work correctly? |
| 14:58.48 | myeggo | okay, i go search :/ |
| 14:58.57 | maligor | what's a gnome plugin? |
| 14:59.01 | arezey | hmm.. |
| 14:59.05 | arezey | "insmod: error inserting 'wl.ko': -1 Invalid module format" |
| 14:59.10 | arezey | what's this? |
| 14:59.31 | maligor | myeggo, you mean the controls attached to the panel? |
| 14:59.32 | hekatomb | differet compilers used? |
| 15:00.00 | arezey | dunno.. |
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| 15:00.09 | myeggo | i want create an objet to panels, maligor |
| 15:00.11 | arezey | what's the compiler used to make the debian lenny kernel? |
| 15:00.16 | myeggo | that icons besides the hour |
| 15:00.22 | myeggo | weather info, dictionary, etc |
| 15:00.39 | myeggo | i cant explain it correctly because my english is like 5 years old, sorry about this inconvenience |
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| 15:01.01 | maligor | I guess you mean GNOME Panel Applets |
| 15:01.09 | aaaabbbb | hello |
| 15:01.09 | hekatomb | arezey: cat /proc/version |
| 15:01.12 | myeggo | correct, that is |
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| 15:01.23 | myeggo | do i need C? |
| 15:01.26 | arezey | hekatomb, aha... seems to be 4.1.3 |
| 15:01.36 | myeggo | or i can use some language script like perl or python or tcl |
| 15:01.44 | arezey | and i have 4.3.2.. |
| 15:02.33 | maligor | myeggo, http://www.pygtk.org/articles/applets_arturogf/ |
| 15:02.36 | aaaabbbb | I have a small problem. I cant disable my touchpad with SHMConfig turned on and when I maje a "synclient TouchpadOff=1" it accepts it and nothing changes. Anyone have a clue what might be the problem? |
| 15:02.59 | aaaabbbb | maje -> make* |
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| 15:03.40 | myeggo | thank you |
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| 15:07.28 | dmi3on | what i should enetre in an installation window "configuration network" Domain name ? |
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| 15:08.05 | troythetechguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.30 | mhymn | dmi3on: leave it blank if you don't know |
| 15:08.50 | ekke | hi i have problems whith permisions on a ext2 drive http://paste.debian.net/27564/ /dev/sda1 i cant execute .bin files on the drive |
| 15:08.51 | dmi3on | mhymn,thx |
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| 15:09.50 | ekke | whne i try to execute i just get tis msg bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: Permission denied. anyone can help me? |
| 15:10.14 | petemc | ekke: chmod +x hldsupdatetool.bin |
| 15:10.31 | hekatomb | not mounted noexec? |
| 15:10.32 | ekke | petemc, i done that |
| 15:10.57 | petemc | ekke: what does file say about hldsupdatetool.bin ? |
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| 15:11.42 | ekke | file hldsupdatetool.bin |
| 15:11.42 | ekke | hldsupdatetool.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 15:12.09 | ekke | hekatomb, should it help to add that to options in fstab |
| 15:12.50 | hekatomb | ekke: was just wondering if the partiton was mounted as oexec |
| 15:12.57 | hekatomb | noexec |
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| 15:13.00 | deever | hi |
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| 15:13.35 | ekke | hekatomb, no idea = ) im not so good at thos stuff |
| 15:13.57 | deever | does anyone here know how do make dhclient stop changing any routes? |
| 15:14.23 | petemc | ekke: typing mount on its own will show what options a fs is mounted with |
| 15:14.46 | petemc | deever: /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 15:14.49 | dmi3on | mhymn, after root pasword is asking me about set up userrs and password, for now i am only one user |
| 15:15.02 | petemc | dmi3on: so set up one user |
| 15:15.07 | dmi3on | ok |
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| 15:15.27 | mhymn | !tell dmi3on -about ig |
| 15:15.39 | deever | petemc: yes, but how can i stop it changing the routing? |
| 15:15.51 | batman_ramirez | hey... how can i access to some shared files by other pc from the console |
| 15:16.06 | ekke | petaflot, http://paste.debian.net/27566 it seems to be mounted 2 times |
| 15:16.25 | deever | batman_ramirez: how are they shared? |
| 15:16.36 | batman_ramirez | by samba |
| 15:16.42 | sente | how do i get read(2) manpage on my system? |
| 15:16.44 | sente | http://linux.die.net/man/2/read |
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| 15:17.00 | deever | batman_ramirez: use smbclient |
| 15:17.15 | mhymn | sente: 'man 2 read' ? |
| 15:17.21 | sente | mhymn: i don't have it |
| 15:17.26 | mhymn | i see |
| 15:17.27 | sente | how do i find out where to get it |
| 15:17.28 | deever | petemc: do you know it? |
| 15:17.36 | rudolf_ | can someone say me how to change the fontsize in gtk applications? gtk-theme-swither does not take effect |
| 15:17.55 | batman_ramirez | ok |
| 15:17.58 | batman_ramirez | thanks |
| 15:18.04 | petemc | deever: its not one of the options ive used myself, have you looked at the that file? |
| 15:18.11 | ekke | petaflot, wrong it was sda and sdb = ) so i remove the noexec and it shold work |
| 15:18.16 | mhymn | sente: iirc its 'manpages-dev' pkg |
| 15:18.28 | deever | sente: manpages-dev |
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| 15:18.48 | deever | mhymn: yes, it's in there...;) |
| 15:18.55 | mhymn | cool :P |
| 15:19.14 | sente | how would i search to find that? |
| 15:19.15 | sente | and, thanks |
| 15:19.25 | deever | petemc: yes, and also read dhclient.conf(5), but cannot figure out how to do it |
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| 15:22.53 | hekatomb | deever: IIRC you want prepend domain-nameserver .... |
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| 15:22.57 | rudolf_ | can someone say me how to change the fontsize in gtk applications? gtk-theme-swither does not take effect |
| 15:23.15 | petemc | hekatomb: thats unlikely to help with a routing issue |
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| 15:24.02 | hekatomb | petemc: oh I thought he was troubled by resolv.conf getting changed |
| 15:24.06 | deever | hekatomb: no, i have a routing problem, nothing to do with the dns |
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| 15:28.45 | sente | Feb 3 10:27:59 lispclub getty[28993]: ttyS1: ioctl: Input/output error |
| 15:28.48 | david00 | Hello |
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| 15:29.38 | david00 | I have logrotate set up to run from /etc/cron.daily |
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| 15:29.58 | david00 | logrotate is creating 2 archived logs within each run |
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| 15:30.17 | david00 | log.1.gz, containing the actual data, and log.2.gz, which is just an empty file, gzipped |
| 15:30.19 | rudolf_ | can someone say me how to change the fontsize in gtk applications? gtk-theme-swither does not take effect |
| 15:30.41 | david00 | Only one archived log should be created every day as specified in the manpage |
| 15:30.50 | david00 | I have 'notifempty' set in the logrotate configuration |
| 15:31.05 | sente | what do these errors mean? |
| 15:31.05 | david00 | Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 15:31.15 | sente | the ttyS1: ioctl: Input/output error errors |
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| 15:35.18 | vyrus001 | anybody here using the wl bcm4312 driver? for some reason when i try to insmod wl.ko i get an error saying -1 unknown symbol in driver... dmsg | tail reads unknown symbol ieee80211_get_crypto_ops? |
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| 15:37.25 | hekatomb | vyrus001: doesn't the kernels b43 support 4312? |
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| 15:38.24 | BlindCamel | anyone here able to help with a video problem on elive? |
| 15:38.50 | vyrus001 | hekatomb: i had that loaded and it didnt detect hardware, also im pretty sure that driver isnt for this card, this dell wireless 1397 is the card for this driver im quite sure |
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| 15:40.36 | BlindCamel | i cant seem to get correct video res. or 3d support in any distro of linux with my Geforce 8400 GS |
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| 15:41.23 | gamla_kossan | hi guys.. anyone have a clue where I can find the log file for bind9? |
| 15:41.33 | gamla_kossan | really, really need it :/ |
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| 15:46.15 | rwaite | how do i mount a usb thumb drive using the command line? |
| 15:46.21 | slacker_nl | hello, aptitude via the TUI can remove obsolete packages, how can I remove these packages in a one-liner |
| 15:46.40 | troythetechguy | I have a debian box at work that I'd like to access from home, however, I cannot punch any holes in our corporate firewall. My home PC runs Ubuntu. Is there a way I can do this? |
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| 15:46.49 | slacker_nl | mount -t /dev/yourusb /mtn/mountpoint |
| 15:46.57 | slacker_nl | -t vfat bt |
| 15:46.59 | rwaite | how do i know what device it is? |
| 15:46.59 | slacker_nl | btw |
| 15:47.10 | slacker_nl | rwaite: dmesg could help you out |
| 15:47.23 | slacker_nl | or the messages file |
| 15:47.25 | Roomer | hi all |
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| 15:47.46 | nick_h[litage] | ``aptitude search foo'' acts like ``apt-cache search --names-only foo''. is aptitude able to do a "full-text" search, as in look through package descriptions, similar to ``apt-cache search foo'' ? |
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| 15:50.20 | Roomer | Can someone tell me how to enable loggin for pam_ldap.so? |
| 15:50.22 | Roomer | I want to see in auth.log (syslog would be ok too) which module is tried / successful / the dn used. |
| 15:50.23 | Roomer | I use pam_unix.so and pam_ldap.so. The "debug" argument for pam_ldap.so ist not working. |
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| 15:53.00 | etech | one question about debians updates: |
| 15:53.16 | etech | let's say torvalds releases a stable kernel which boots in 5 seconds |
| 15:53.33 | etech | in which debian branches will this kernel be put? |
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| 15:54.00 | etech | unstable and testing? |
| 15:54.07 | steven__ | anyone know how to build mysql-server-5.1 from the deb source but set it to not run the test suite as it takes ages.... |
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| 16:00.24 | hark | nick_h[litage]: aptitude search ~dfoo |
| 16:00.46 | jmut | how can I check some package. where is installed? what files inside? |
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| 16:01.17 | jmut | tightvnc-java I am itnerested in more specific. |
| 16:01.25 | hark | jmut: dpkg -L packagename |
| 16:01.50 | jmut | thank you :) |
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| 16:20.12 | jelly | steven__: you'll need to find where is the testing done under mysql-5.1*/debian/ directory and disable it |
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| 16:21.22 | steven__ | jelly: ta i'll just stick with running the test suite, can leave it running overnight now :) especially since i just realised i build for the wrong ARCH doh! |
| 16:22.05 | steven__ | jelly: want to stick to not modifying the original deb is possible |
| 16:22.15 | steven__ | s/is/if |
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| 16:23.29 | jelly | well, it's up to you to consider whether skipping the tests and exposing your users to possibly flawed code is a good idea |
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| 16:25.03 | steven__ | jelly im not changing anything test are more for catching bug regressions i think :) plus this package is for test-env anyways :) |
| 16:25.39 | steven__ | i think the debian package is broken anyways |
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| 16:26.45 | steven__ | half the tests require access to the test mysql db which is removed in patch in the debian build so they fail |
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| 16:36.42 | D_Traka | http://www.myspace.com/tetrapakbeats |
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| 16:38.23 | dandc | are the --MARK--s in /var/log/messages there from the kernel or from cron? |
| 16:38.35 | dkr | crond |
| 16:38.46 | dandc | aha, thanks |
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| 16:43.09 | n-iCe | hello |
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| 16:51.35 | jelly | dandc: neither. They're from syslog itself, and can be suppressed if wanted |
| 16:52.00 | jelly | well, if unwanted* |
| 16:52.00 | dandc | oh, thanks Jelly :) |
| 16:52.21 | dandc | is there a way to turn UP logging verbosity? |
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| 16:53.22 | dandc | I have a server that keeps freezing, but I can't figure out why (lenny) |
| 16:54.18 | dandc | I'm convinced it's a hardware problem, but have no idea where to look in logs |
| 16:54.22 | jelly | dandc: kern.log logs all the kernel messages by default. |
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| 16:55.34 | jelly | dandc: the machine might hang in such a way that relevant logs never end up on disk. Look at the console if you can. |
| 16:55.46 | jelly | dandc: a serial console setup might come in handy |
| 16:56.13 | dandc | unfortunately, I can't |
| 16:56.13 | dandc | it's remote |
| 16:56.15 | dandc | and my "serial console access" isn't the greatest |
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| 16:56.47 | kaduk | Hi, A time ago I was able to play DVD on debian, now I cant |
| 16:56.53 | kaduk | any DVD does not start |
| 16:56.56 | jelly | dandc: well, blaming the people who bought crappy unmanageable hardware doesn't help fixing anything... |
| 16:57.16 | dandc | I haven't been blaming, I'm just wondering how to debug |
| 16:57.43 | jelly | find a way to access the console ;-) |
| 16:57.44 | kaduk | jelly, my DVD reader is not broken |
| 16:57.57 | kaduk | it was working a time ago |
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| 16:58.13 | kaduk | and still works on windows |
| 16:58.17 | jelly | kaduk: that message wasn't meant for you |
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| 16:59.15 | dandc | well, jelly, I can access the console via ssh->telnet, but it doesn't buffer well, so if I connect after server crash, I can't see anything |
| 16:59.33 | dandc | I would leave the serial console up, but it times out fairly rapidly |
| 17:00.01 | jelly | dandc: does the ssh session time out, or the console interface? |
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| 17:00.11 | jelly | dandc: there are keepalive options for ssh. |
| 17:00.15 | dandc | the console interface, I believe |
| 17:00.28 | dandc | all I know is that I'm disconnected (as soon as telnet dies, ssh disconnects me) |
| 17:01.20 | dandc | I believe it's the telnet session, but I should confirm that :) |
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| 17:02.56 | jelly | off the top of my head, I know of no app to virtually press a key every five minutes ;-) |
| 17:03.47 | jelly | dandc: your provider doesn't offer a scrollback buffer for the serial? |
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| 17:04.31 | jelly | having to be online when the crash/hang happens isn't that helpful |
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| 17:05.03 | abrotman | install screen ? |
| 17:06.06 | dandc | no scrollback buffer, jelly :( |
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| 17:06.21 | dandc | abrotman: screen would work if it didn't time out |
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| 17:07.45 | alexplay | When i add: Option "omit xfree86-dga" to my modules subsection in xorg.conf and start a OpenGL game (Enemy Territory) that annoying lag input after i scroll the mouse wheel is gone, BUT the small movements doesn't get registered and the sensitivity is messed up. When i use de "evdev" driver for my mouse without omit xfree86-dga this bug gets reduced to the point that is barely noticeable, but not always, like sometimes i have the bug and sometimes not. |
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| 17:07.51 | alexplay | I'd also like to know if diabling these options in xorg.conf would give me extra performance because i'm not using compiz: |
| 17:07.54 | alexplay | XAANoOffscreenPixmaps |
| 17:07.56 | alexplay | RenderAccel |
| 17:07.58 | alexplay | AddARGBGLXVisuals |
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| 17:08.50 | jelly | dandc: I'd try ssh keepalives. If that doesn't help, nag your provider. |
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| 17:09.09 | dandc | I've been nagging my provider for close to a year now :( |
| 17:09.36 | jelly | or hire $poorly_paid_etnicity_member to press space every three minutes |
| 17:09.48 | jelly | dandc: time to change providers? |
| 17:09.53 | dandc | oh, I know |
| 17:09.57 | dandc | I'm in a contract, though |
| 17:10.15 | dandc | and as far as I can tell, server crashes don't violate their SLA :( |
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| 17:11.35 | jelly | there's also /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time says google |
| 17:11.55 | jelly | but that won't help if it's the thing behind ssh that's dying |
| 17:12.16 | dandc | who knows, maybe I'll hook it up to expect |
| 17:12.24 | dandc | to just hit space every minute |
| 17:12.32 | dandc | even cheaper than poorly paid ethnicity ;P |
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| 17:13.33 | shingouz | iirc there are keepalives for both the sshd and the client, i had to mess with them a couple of months ago but i have completely forgotten how the things went. i need a new set of ram for myself, looks like |
| 17:14.03 | dandc | I can't do the sshd keepalive, I don't even have shell access to that server |
| 17:14.11 | dandc | but I'm rtfming now on client keepalives |
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| 17:14.16 | jelly | you do connect to it with ssh? |
| 17:14.28 | jaggz | how can I change an .avi or .mpeg video length to be longer (it would have to add in frames or adjust the framerate to make it match an audio track) |
| 17:14.33 | dandc | I ssh to a certain host, which forwards me to a telnet session, which is my console |
| 17:14.48 | dandc | (control+] drops me into telnet prompt) |
| 17:14.59 | jelly | dandc: heh, does suspend work? :-) |
| 17:15.21 | dandc | hmm, I don't know telnet very well, let me see :) |
| 17:15.33 | nick_h[litage] | hark: thanks for that. strangely, i don't see ~d mentioned in aptitude's manpage |
| 17:15.44 | jelly | dandc: ? for help ;-) |
| 17:16.11 | dandc | only commands are close, logout, quit, and send |
| 17:16.13 | dandc | :( |
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| 17:17.59 | jelly | ok, so they're not that clueless (and you probably won't to breach any contract clauses either) |
| 17:18.23 | jelly | s/won't/don't want/ |
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| 17:18.56 | dandc | exactly |
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| 17:20.42 | jelly | well you could ask _them_ to decrease the tcp keepalive time on _that_ machine ;-) |
| 17:22.39 | dec3pti0n | is there a doc or manpage that explains the meaning of the .dirs .install and other .<whatever> files that can be found under the debian folder when creating a .edb ? |
| 17:22.42 | dec3pti0n | .deb |
| 17:23.43 | dec3pti0n | I've checked some docs at debian.org and www.debian-administration.org but not much info about those files there |
| 17:23.55 | vi390 | i just installed a system (server) and find, that there are things like openoffice on there (by default) . Is there a script to remove all packages automaticly which are not necesary for server ? |
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| 17:25.08 | valdyn | vi390: on debian? |
| 17:25.13 | valdyn | vi390: oo.org is not default |
| 17:25.33 | vi390 | valdyn: jap debian.. |
| 17:25.52 | valdyn | vi390: your just did not unselect the desktop task |
| 17:25.56 | vi390 | valdyn: oh Just saw, that oo is really not there. But why the heck is there /etc/openoffice present ? |
| 17:26.18 | vi390 | valdyn: ok, can I readjust that, if not deselect the desktop thing |
| 17:26.32 | valdyn | vi390: doesnt work that way |
| 17:26.34 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 17:26.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. use "purge" instead of remove if you want it to also remove X's configuration. |
| 17:26.41 | vi390 | valdyn: I just do not want to delete everthing by hand |
| 17:27.10 | vi390 | ah, ok .trying that |
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| 17:27.22 | valdyn | vi390: removing libx11-6 should remove _alot_ that you dont need |
| 17:27.28 | vi390 | ok |
| 17:27.54 | vi390 | thx |
| 17:27.56 | valdyn | vi390: what dpkg said would only remove the part that you just need for a local display |
| 17:28.09 | valdyn | vi390: and x is network transparent, so oo.org would stay |
| 17:28.21 | vi390 | valdyn: It does nopt even have a local display |
| 17:28.50 | vi390 | thats why I want to get rid of all that |
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| 17:29.02 | valdyn | vi390: yea, i got that,thats why removing libx11-6 should remove _alot_ that you dont need |
| 17:29.11 | jelly | "a lot" |
| 17:29.18 | valdyn | hehe |
| 17:29.26 | vi390 | valdyn: ok, gonna do that :) thanks |
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| 17:30.07 | n3kl | Hello! |
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| 17:30.15 | bittin_ | Hi |
| 17:30.49 | n3kl | Is lenny stable yet? |
| 17:30.53 | valdyn | vi390: after that you can probably sill find some packagas that start like "libx.." that you might want to remove |
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| 17:31.25 | valdyn | hmm, or maybe not, i just checked |
| 17:34.35 | dandc | well jelly, it still times out even with keepalives :( (meaning it's the telnet end, I think) |
| 17:35.17 | jelly | that's possible |
| 17:35.35 | dandc | which means I need to write some ugly hack to push space every minute or two |
| 17:35.42 | jelly | e-yup |
| 17:35.59 | jelly | Expecto hackorum |
| 17:36.13 | jelly | Kludgeorum? |
| 17:36.17 | dandc | hahaha |
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| 17:38.55 | negge | I just finished compiling and installing my first custom made kernel and it seems to work just fine:) Managed to strip out quite a lot of unnecessary stuff. Is there anything specific I should check to make sure it's working fine? |
| 17:39.18 | sepult_ | *sigh* konqueror is buggy it does not render javascript |
| 17:39.20 | n3kl | negge: did it boot? Does all your hardware work? |
| 17:39.29 | jelly | negge: rebooted and all of your hardware is detected and works? |
| 17:39.33 | jelly | heh |
| 17:40.05 | n3kl | sup, jelly? |
| 17:40.45 | negge | n3kl: everything seems to work, Samba sharing seems to work, IRC works, rtorrent works. Haven't tried starting X yet but I rarely need it so it's not that big of a deal. |
| 17:40.55 | negge | n3kl: yes it booted just fine |
| 17:41.16 | negge | actually I still have to check whether USB works... |
| 17:42.25 | abrotman | screen isn't timing out |
| 17:42.34 | negge | yup, USB works too |
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| 17:46.14 | jaalto | I'd like to go to prefivous version, but "apt-get install wine=1.0.0-1" can't find 1.0.0. Is there location I can download the *.deb? snapshots.debian.net only carries 0.9.x line |
| 17:47.05 | nsadmin | judd versions wine |
| 17:47.07 | judd | nsadmin: wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1 etch-backports: 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.0.1-1 sid: 1.0.1-1 experimental: 1.1.13-1 |
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| 17:48.40 | jaalto | judd: Right, but where is the 1.0.0? According to PTS si was uploaded. |
| 17:48.41 | judd | jaalto: Error: "Right," is not a valid command. |
| 17:49.05 | linomix | judd is a bot |
| 17:49.05 | judd | linomix: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 17:49.10 | jaalto | s/si/it was/ |
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| 17:52.17 | ice799 | Anyone know if it is possible to install Mozilla Firefox, not iceweasel, with apt on debian etch? Is there some sort of "i-hate-oss" apt repository or something? |
| 17:52.37 | ice799 | I really don't want to download the firefox binary from mozilla and then go hunting for libraries, if i can avoid it. |
| 17:52.43 | jaalto | ice799: to my knowledge, no. |
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| 17:52.50 | Jemt | ice799: Why version of Debian do you use? |
| 17:53.00 | Jemt | Firefox is quite simple to install |
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| 17:53.11 | jaalto | ice799: the iceweasel is the firefox + Debian patches. |
| 17:53.33 | ice799 | jaalto: I need normal firefox, because I am using the browser to test a web app |
| 17:53.40 | ice799 | so I want to test with exactly what my users will be using |
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| 17:53.44 | Jemt | ice799: If you don't need the most recent Firefox, then you should use Iceweasel. As Jaalto says, it's Firefox with another name |
| 17:54.03 | Jemt | I see |
| 17:54.07 | Jemt | ice799: Why version of Debian do you use? |
| 17:54.10 | Jemt | Why = what |
| 17:54.13 | jaalto | ice799: You see it exactly. It is Firefox. The Debian patches are security issues monstly and few bug corrections. |
| 17:54.16 | nsadmin | ice799 then run windows or macos because one of those is exactly what they will be using |
| 17:54.21 | jelly | ice799: download their binary and install in a separate directory. I'm not sure Firefox 3 will work on etch, though. |
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| 17:54.28 | ice799 | Jemt: I am using Dbeian Etch |
| 17:54.31 | negge | ice799: Iceweasel renders web pages exactly like Firefox, only thing is that the user agent sent differs which means that sites like Hotmail doesn't recognize it as Firefox, so unless you have some hacks that depend on the correct agent you should be just fine with Iceweasel |
| 17:54.42 | Jemt | ice799: Okay, firefox 3 won't work, but Firefox 2.x will |
| 17:54.43 | jaalto | ice799: Best choice would be install Firefox in WINE to see exactly how it looks from Windows |
| 17:55.01 | ice799 | What I am doing is sort of complicated, actually. |
| 17:55.04 | ice799 | But I'll mess around a bit. |
| 17:55.13 | jelly | uh... "WINE" and "exactly how it looks from Windows"? |
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| 17:55.14 | Jemt | ice799: Download, extract and start firefox. It will report a missing library (libc6-something). Tell me the exact output, and I'll find the missing lib for you |
| 17:55.25 | ice799 | Jemt: It is a bit harder than that |
| 17:55.33 | ice799 | I don't have X installed at all -- just xvfb |
| 17:55.35 | Jemt | ice799: No, I've done it 10 times |
| 17:55.37 | Jemt | Oh |
| 17:55.38 | ice799 | so I am missing shit loads of libraries. |
| 17:55.38 | Jemt | LOL |
| 17:55.45 | Jemt | You probably is :-S |
| 17:55.45 | jaalto | jelly: He mentioned doing Web Development. Seeing it from Windows side it that. |
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| 17:55.58 | nsadmin | ice799 how will you run firefox without x? |
| 17:56.00 | jelly | ice799: install iceweasel as well, it'll pull in its own dependencies |
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| 17:56.02 | ice799 | Anyway, I got xvfb up and running, and I'm useing iceweasel |
| 17:56.04 | negge | ice799: you're going to do web development with X? |
| 17:56.20 | ice799 | Let me explain what I am doing more thoroughly... |
| 17:56.45 | negge | ice799: if you install iceweasel it installs the necessary libraries, then you can use X forwarding to use it from another computer with an X server |
| 17:56.45 | nsadmin | perhaps that will be helpful :) |
| 17:56.49 | ice799 | I am trying to set up an automated unit test system for a web app I am building. I have a server with no keyboard, mouse, or video. I've installed xvfb which uses RAM as a display device |
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| 17:57.03 | ice799 | I've run iceweasel in xvfb just fine, and taken a screenshot of it. |
| 17:57.09 | ice799 | (To prove it works) |
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| 17:57.17 | nsadmin | negge which requires the x client libs |
| 17:57.22 | ice799 | Now I need firefox3 for multiple reasons |
| 17:57.38 | negge | nsadmin: I assumed he meant he didn't have an X server when he said he didn't have X |
| 17:57.41 | jelly | ice799: using selenium? |
| 17:57.48 | ice799 | 1.) There is a firefox3 plugin that will let me script firefox via telnet |
| 17:57.55 | ice799 | which is what I need to run automated tests |
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| 17:58.08 | jelly | ice799: I think you'll need a lenny chroot to run firefox3 successfully |
| 17:58.24 | ice799 | jelly: why is that? |
| 17:58.40 | Optic | is there a Correct Debian Way to set the timezone of a machine from a script? |
| 17:58.45 | jelly | ice799: because it has all the dependencies for ff3, unlike etch |
| 17:58.51 | Optic | dpkg-reconfigure tzinfo works but is interactive |
| 17:58.55 | Optic | er, tzdata |
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| 17:59.04 | ice799 | jelly: Ah I see. |
| 17:59.09 | ice799 | Optic: yeah I have a script that does it |
| 17:59.12 | negge | all I know is that Firefox 3 can be installed on Ubuntu 7.10 which normally comes with FF2, don't know if it's possible in Etch though (don't see why it wouldn't be though) |
| 17:59.16 | jelly | ice799: and if you don't care about the user-agent bit, you can use iceweasel 3 that's already pacakged |
| 17:59.20 | Optic | woo |
| 17:59.23 | patrikf | Optic: cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/... /etc/localtime |
| 17:59.23 | jaalto | Optic: /etc/timezone |
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| 17:59.33 | Optic | is that it? |
| 17:59.35 | Optic | cool |
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| 17:59.48 | ice799 | Optic: BE sure to restart syslog |
| 17:59.49 | rahsputin | hello, i am looking for documentation on building a Live-USB . |
| 17:59.56 | ice799 | Optic: otherwise the timestamps will all be in your previous timezone |
| 18:00.01 | ice799 | Optic: which can be confusing |
| 18:00.06 | Optic | yes |
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| 18:00.10 | Optic | that makes sense |
| 18:00.12 | Optic | thanks! |
| 18:00.15 | ice799 | no worries |
| 18:00.20 | ice799 | EVERYONE: Thanks for the input. |
| 18:00.21 | jelly | negge: why? "We're sorry, this application requires a version of the GTK+ library that is not installed on your computer." |
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| 18:00.30 | ice799 | I'm going to try installing ff2 on etch and see what happens. |
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| 18:00.47 | jaalto | ice799: testing contains Iceweasel 3.0.5, can you upgrade your headless server to testing branch? |
| 18:01.00 | jelly | ff3 wants GTK+ 2.10 or newer, etch has 2.8 |
| 18:01.14 | negge | he could probably use apt-pinning too or whatever it's called |
| 18:01.24 | jelly | negge: NO |
| 18:01.28 | negge | :D |
| 18:01.54 | jelly | mixing stable and anything other than stable (with pinning or without) is a recipe for disaster |
| 18:02.08 | ice799 | I will try ff2 first, then if that fails I'll get a new testing box and upgrade that to lenny |
| 18:02.11 | ice799 | and install ff3. |
| 18:02.25 | ice799 | (I dont want to break the other tests running on the box currently on debian etch) |
| 18:02.44 | jelly | right, if you have vms available, you can use a separate one |
| 18:02.51 | jaalto | jelly: no more than mixing testing with selected unstable and experimental. |
| 18:02.52 | jelly | virtual machines |
| 18:02.58 | jelly | jaalto: yes more. |
| 18:03.05 | ice799 | jelly: Not using any VMs, running on the bare metal. |
| 18:03.16 | negge | jelly: I never said it was a good idea:) |
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| 18:03.38 | jelly | ice799: just a matter of easier provisioning. You _could_ run lenny in a chroot |
| 18:04.03 | jelly | !debootstrap |
| 18:04.04 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 18:04.10 | jelly | meh. |
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| 18:04.24 | Optic | is there a standard for those timezone names? |
| 18:04.27 | Optic | an RFC or something? |
| 18:04.52 | jaalto | Optic: ls -R /usr/share/zoneinfo/ |
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| 18:04.59 | jafn | hi all |
| 18:05.14 | Optic | yeah, but... :) |
| 18:05.28 | jafn | I get this message on my syslog Feb 3 13:41:37 localhost inetd[3266]: pop3/tcp: bind: Address already in use |
| 18:05.29 | dmi3on | hi all, can any one help me set up xstartup i cna find much info on google |
| 18:05.44 | jafn | how can eliminate the service who is running outside inet.d |
| 18:05.50 | negge | jafn: sounds like you have two processes trying to bind the same port |
| 18:05.59 | jafn | yep inded |
| 18:06.04 | jaalto | jafn: netstat -tap, see who's taking the tcp port |
| 18:06.22 | jafn | indeed i need to eliminate the other outside iniet.d service |
| 18:06.24 | jelly | Optic, there is, but in general a geographical alias is used. um... http://www.cs.utah.edu/dept/old/texinfo/glibc-manual-0.02/library_19.html#SEC318 |
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| 18:06.42 | fsckedagain | can anyone tell me why ever device I have connected to a bridge is on the same port? |
| 18:06.49 | fsckedagain | ever == every |
| 18:06.58 | Optic | thanks again, you guys are great |
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| 18:09.09 | jafn | which is the name of the package that contains pop3 outside iniet.d |
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| 18:11.26 | cr3rzemjest | KDE 4 crashes when i click, 'shutdown' or 'reboot' (it does reboot when i type in |
| 18:11.29 | cr3rzemjest | reboot) |
| 18:11.47 | bsund | Guys.. There is one website where they do the performance things on loads of languages.. |
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| 18:12.01 | bsund | Do You know what I mean? |
| 18:12.48 | bsund | You can also do some things before you sort.. like memory usage etc |
| 18:13.04 | bsund | programming languages |
| 18:13.32 | simonrvn | cr3rzemjest: BTS |
| 18:13.38 | esundin | I'm running compiz on a debian lenny box with an intel GMA 965/GL 960 but that chipset is blacklisted and therefore I run compiz with SKIP_CHECKS=YES however this seems to disable direct rendering, is there any way to get direct rendering with compiz on a blacklisted chip? |
| 18:13.44 | bsund | The guy who host it use debian.. |
| 18:13.50 | bsund | I think |
| 18:14.03 | bsund | Thats why I'm here |
| 18:14.08 | fsckedagain | no bridge folks here? |
| 18:14.22 | esundin | Hi björn! |
| 18:14.23 | bsund | It is a famous site.. been on slashdot a couple of times |
| 18:14.28 | bsund | esundin: lol |
| 18:14.28 | Strog_ | how can i find out what version of debian am i using? |
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| 18:14.50 | simonrvn | fsckedagain: no, i left mine at the office, with the troll |
| 18:15.03 | Strog_ | uname -r ? |
| 18:15.06 | simonrvn | he takes good care of it |
| 18:15.18 | cr3rzemjest | simonrvn, "Big Titty Syndrome"?? sorry i don't get |
| 18:15.49 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 18:15.49 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 18:15.59 | Hoxzer | How do I blacklist modules now a days as debian lenny doesn't care about /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
| 18:16.08 | cr3rzemjest | ah |
| 18:16.40 | fsckedagain | lol |
| 18:18.11 | simonrvn | Hoxzer: sure it does. i use a 'blacklist.local' file; format: "blacklist modulename" |
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| 18:23.00 | nsgn | hello. where does debian store C header files for the default kernel? |
| 18:23.00 | fsckedagain | so any idea on why everything shows up on one side of the bridge? |
| 18:23.01 | nsgn | i'm used to them sitting at /usr/src/linux/include |
| 18:23.03 | nsgn | but they're not |
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| 18:30.20 | dmi3on | please any one can help me with setting up vncserver |
| 18:30.30 | Hoxzer | simonrvn: doesn't for me... I have "blacklist snd_pcsp" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and it has no effect what so ever |
| 18:30.32 | dmi3on | i fix problem with a grey screen |
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| 18:31.09 | simonrvn | you sure it's named that? you sure it's not listed in /etc/modules ? |
| 18:31.30 | nsgn | anyone on the C header file location for the kernel? |
| 18:31.39 | nsgn | i'm trying to compile against it and am new to debian |
| 18:31.56 | Hoxzer | simonrvn: yes. |
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| 18:32.02 | simonrvn | ddid you get the correct linux-headers package? |
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| 18:32.54 | crunchbang | hi there |
| 18:33.42 | crunchbang | can anyone tell me, if a partition sda4 gets renumbered when removing sda3 and moving sda4 behind sda2? |
| 18:33.44 | Hoxzer | simonrvn: I could always rename /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-486/kernel/sound/drivers/pcsp/snd-pcsp.ko so it wont be loaded for sure I guess |
| 18:33.58 | hark | Hoxzer: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
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| 18:34.29 | nsadmin | crunchbang depends on the program you use to alter the partition table |
| 18:34.46 | nsadmin | some will do that, some won't |
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| 18:35.09 | Hoxzer | hark: thanks |
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| 18:35.47 | [Elvis] | hej guys, how do I disable laptop shutting down on lid closure? |
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| 18:35.56 | crunchbang | nsadmin, I use gparted |
| 18:36.12 | nsadmin | so what behavior do you want? |
| 18:36.59 | nsgn | simonrvn: i'm not sure. ubuntu had everything by default where i needed it. what might i do to add the required kernel header files to debian so i can compile against them? |
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| 18:37.03 | halflife08 | [Elvis]: are you using gnome or kde |
| 18:37.12 | nsadmin | also theres a good chance that logica partitions (thoes in a primary extended partition) are handled differently from the four primary partitions |
| 18:37.24 | simonrvn | aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:37.34 | crunchbang | I don't actually know. I already have 4 primary partitions 1=windows, 2=data, 3=swap and 4=linux. I now want to install another os (cruncbang) and therefore deleted 3 (the swap). now I want to create a new extended either before or behind sda4. what would be best? or doesn't it matter? |
| 18:37.45 | [Elvis] | none of those halflife08 |
| 18:38.04 | halflife08 | [Elvis]: what are you using ? or is this at console |
| 18:38.15 | nsadmin | is crunchbang a linux? |
| 18:38.17 | [Elvis] | console |
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| 18:38.19 | crunchbang | yes |
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| 18:38.31 | crunchbang | it is a ubuntu derivate using openbox |
| 18:38.35 | nsadmin | it's possible, then, to use lvm |
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| 18:38.53 | crunchbang | lvm? |
| 18:39.00 | nsadmin | (didn't say easy or supported by crunchbang installer, becase I dunno) |
| 18:39.29 | nsadmin | would allow you to define partitions and also resize them later |
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| 18:39.47 | crunchbang | gparted can do that too |
| 18:39.49 | nsadmin | easiest is if you can find out whether crunchbang supports this |
| 18:40.00 | crunchbang | the question is just where to put the extended one and how this affects numbering |
| 18:40.12 | nsadmin | well then, there you go... you could do that too |
| 18:40.14 | [Elvis] | anyone? |
| 18:40.18 | [Elvis] | halflife08 ? |
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| 18:40.38 | crunchbang | sure I can do this. but I don't know how numbering will be affected |
| 18:40.39 | nsadmin | you should be able to back up the partition table |
| 18:40.43 | nsadmin | which you should do |
| 18:40.46 | halflife08 | [Elvis]: /etc/acpi is a starting point of all scripts that get run based on different events |
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| 18:41.01 | nsadmin | then just do it... |
| 18:41.03 | crunchbang | is it 'better' to put the extended before (instead of 3) or after 4? |
| 18:41.14 | nsadmin | if you end up with something you don't want, do it again |
| 18:41.23 | agike | On closing swiftfox & galeon I get "Locking assertion failure" followed by a frozen screen and a backtrace with a lot of java related msgs. |
| 18:41.36 | halflife08 | [Elvis]: i don't know beyond that. /sys/class/power_supply is another place to get more info. sorry |
| 18:41.40 | nsadmin | you can't have an extended that's not a primary (numbered 1 2 3 or 4) |
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| 18:41.52 | nsadmin | so it has to be 3 probably |
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| 18:42.37 | agike | Any ideas for a fix ? |
| 18:43.26 | crunchbang | well, yes, or 4 if I move 3 to behind 2 |
| 18:43.45 | crunchbang | and if this does mean renumbering. which i do not know |
| 18:43.57 | agike | "Locking assertion failure": Any ideas for a fix ? |
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| 18:48.16 | nsadmin | crunchbang it's going to be easier if you don;'t have to renumber |
| 18:48.58 | crunchbang | true, i just hope gparted is not renumbering it automatically |
| 18:48.59 | nsadmin | that is... your os on sda4 probably mentions "/dev/sda4" |
| 18:49.12 | nsadmin | back up your partition table |
| 18:49.25 | nsadmin | then if it does renumber, you can just restore it |
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| 18:49.38 | nsadmin | anyway, I'm out |
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| 18:49.41 | mxmx | hi |
| 18:49.47 | crunchbang | okay, thanks |
| 18:49.51 | mxmx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.18 | tubaman | mxmx: chmod |
| 18:50.27 | nsadmin | crunchbang also look into sfdisk for backing up and restoring partition table entries |
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| 18:50.50 | nsadmin | but you can also just read sector zero into a file |
| 18:51.07 | nsadmin | you should become familiar with both |
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| 18:52.13 | flokuehn | nsadmin: wouldnt it be possible to make an backup of the partition table with dd? |
| 18:53.05 | crunchbang | or i just delete the partition afterwards again and rearrange everything |
| 18:53.30 | crunchbang | backing up the table won't help, since i am resizing and moving partitions |
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| 19:01.07 | mike1o | hi I get this problem when I try to run a divx file with my vlc player "no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID'" |
| 19:01.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you got no decoder module :) |
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| 19:02.05 | mxmx | ? chmod |
| 19:02.07 | mxmx | hmm |
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| 19:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno if there's any package to help that... I don't see input plugins, only output plugins |
| 19:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | mike1o, use mplayer? |
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| 19:06.33 | mike1o | CutMeOwnThroat, mplayer apparently does not support subtitles |
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| 19:06.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't it? |
| 19:07.08 | themill | !w32codecs |
| 19:07.09 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
| 19:07.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | MPlayer has an onscreen display (OSD) for status information, nice big antialiased shaded subtitles and visual feedback for keyboard controls. |
| 19:07.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, does that package work with vlc? I thought that's an mplayer thing... |
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| 19:08.33 | themill | nfc... no harm trying. |
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| 19:09.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 19:09.12 | thasp | what is safer: using the functionality of newer kernels to grow a raid 5 array as one adds drives, or having a logical volume that you add new raid 5 arrays to as you acquire new drives? |
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| 19:09.35 | thasp | there was no ability to grow a raid 5 array the last time i messed with mdadm |
| 19:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might be right and I discarded it too early :) |
| 19:09.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought there must be something vlc-specific... (like for gstreamer) |
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| 19:10.39 | jelly | thasp: are your backups valid? :-) |
| 19:10.49 | thasp | they are |
| 19:10.56 | thasp | i am just curious which is safer |
| 19:11.13 | thasp | I used to make raid 5 arrays then add them into the logical volume as I got new drives, but this was before I could grow a raid 5 array by adding drives to it |
| 19:11.40 | thasp | If the latter is possible, then LVN is just another nuisance. |
| 19:11.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | the latter sounds neater |
| 19:11.46 | jelly | the manual says adding a drive to a md raid5 or raid6 has a short time of insecurity |
| 19:11.50 | roxazer | can you make /etc/motd to not change back to default when doing a reboot? |
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| 19:12.10 | thasp | jelly, that answers it for me. thanks. |
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| 19:12.13 | jelly | LVM is useful for many other purposes |
| 19:12.23 | thasp | i had 4 WDs die in one year. the less room for insecurity, the better. |
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| 19:12.36 | jelly | it's likely measured in minutes |
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| 19:12.53 | thasp | my drive will die the second that minute starts |
| 19:12.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:12.59 | jelly | aaand I had my backup WD at home die last month |
| 19:13.06 | tubaman | roxazer, look at /etc/motd.tail and /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 19:13.27 | jelly | the next backup device will be a raid1 |
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| 19:13.54 | JDStone | what exactly is resolvconf? What's its purpose |
| 19:13.59 | JDStone | I read about it, but I'm still confused |
| 19:14.06 | glguy | If I were to send someone a customized 'apt' binary, would it be sufficient for me to include the modified sources I compiled from to fulfill my GPL obligations? |
| 19:14.16 | themill | dpkg: tell JDStone about resolvconf |
| 19:14.24 | z0d14k | I am not sure where to ask, so I'll ask here. I have a box with 4 interfaces. I need to balance traffic load across all 4 interfaces. Right now, I am using a different IP (same subnet) on each interface, with additional routing tables, but getting unpredictable results. Is there a better way, or a better place to look for help? |
| 19:14.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | roxazer, ^^ |
| 19:14.32 | dmi3on | hi all, i need to find how to setup xstartup in goole i can find anything usefull how to do it can anyone help me pls |
| 19:14.39 | jelly | glguy: pretty much, yes |
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| 19:15.08 | z0d14k | The service has several different connecting computers, so manually balancing which IP I send to which user is a valid option. |
| 19:15.15 | Strog_ | how do i find out what version am i using? |
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| 19:15.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | z0d14k, there's #networking (or ##)... |
| 19:15.42 | roxazer | CutMeOwnThroat: what? |
| 19:15.43 | Strog_ | is it uname -r ? |
| 19:15.46 | z0d14k | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks. |
| 19:15.50 | jelly | thasp: adding small raid5 arrays likely decreases the % of useful space quite a bit, doesn't it? |
| 19:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | roxazer, ^^ =="see what I wrote above" |
| 19:16.16 | JDStone | is resolvconf a GUI interface? |
| 19:16.16 | thasp | jelly, how much space are we talking if i just add drives to the raid5 array? |
| 19:16.35 | jelly | thasp: well, you lose a single drive like always |
| 19:16.43 | roxazer | CutMeOwnThroat: i see that as a smiley :) |
| 19:16.52 | roxazer | tubaman: thx |
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| 19:17.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | roxazer, they're meant to be little arrows that point upwards |
| 19:17.03 | themill | JDStone: no, it's a set of scripts to manage your dns settings automatically |
| 19:17.08 | thasp | so let's say i have 3 1 tB drives, for /dev/md0. that's 2 tb. then I get 3 more, for /dev/md1, that's 2 tB |
| 19:17.11 | Strog_ | what does etchnhalf mean? |
| 19:17.14 | thasp | 4 tB I get from 6 drives |
| 19:17.17 | jelly | thasp: but if you, say, concat a 3-drive raid5 with an existing 3-drive raid5, you lose 2 drives worth |
| 19:17.29 | jelly | right |
| 19:17.57 | thasp | now, let's say I get 3 1 tb drives now, and make an array that adds up to t 2 tb. what would I have if I added 3 to that raid5 array later? |
| 19:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Strog_, cat /etc/debian_version in general |
| 19:18.15 | jelly | thasp: 5TB net IF everything goes ok :-) |
| 19:18.26 | thasp | jelly, is that a :-) if or a :-( if |
| 19:18.36 | thasp | i guess that depends on whether I utilize western digital drives. |
| 19:18.39 | jelly | yes. |
| 19:18.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell Strog_ about etchnhalf |
| 19:18.41 | JDStone | themill: ahh, thank you |
| 19:18.46 | JDStone | that helps |
| 19:18.58 | themill | np |
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| 19:19.14 | jelly | thasp: eh, I don't know a hdd single vendor that didn't make major fuckups |
| 19:19.20 | jelly | maybe Samsung |
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| 19:19.30 | thasp | jelly, would i have to use all the same brand drives for one raid array? |
| 19:19.42 | jelly | thasp: hopefully not |
| 19:19.52 | thasp | the thing that excited me about lvm was 3 yrs from now i could add 4 tb drives to it. |
| 19:20.30 | jelly | thasp: one tip: when a drive is marketed as 1TB, do NOT use a byte over 10^12 bytes mark |
| 19:20.43 | themill | thinks thasp needs to learn to delete data |
| 19:20.56 | Seb | does one have to restart xorg after installing new ttf fonts ? |
| 19:21.31 | themill | Seb: depends on the application but not normally. /msg dpkg install font |
| 19:21.41 | jelly | thasp: so you won't use the whole disk space, but you'll be reasonably safe that a replacement or additional 1TB drive from another vendor won't be 4 sectors smaller |
| 19:21.58 | Seb | themill: k, thx |
| 19:22.05 | thasp | i think i am going to go with lvm. |
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| 19:22.11 | jelly | themill: deleting data? Blasphemy. |
| 19:22.23 | themill | hehe |
| 19:22.38 | thasp | i can still increase the logical volume and the raid array if I get the same seagate a year from now, and if i get different drives, say 2 or 4 tb ones, i can make a new raid array and add it. I get the best of both worlds with lvm on top of raid |
| 19:22.45 | thasp | thanks jelly :] |
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| 19:23.13 | jelly | thasp: also you can maybe have two drives die at the same time that way and not lose data, if you're lucky |
| 19:23.38 | thasp | if two drives die at the same time that means my luck is bad enough that I have bigger issues than my data |
| 19:23.45 | faffi | im trying to get the correct driver loaded for xorg to get my real resolution, its usingt vesa drivers now but i want it to use the intel drivers, how can i tell which module to modprobe |
| 19:24.16 | jelly | thasp: at work we have an mid-level "enterprise" array that works that way, with multiple concatenated raid5 groups. Been working 5 years w/o lossage |
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| 19:25.16 | Seb | themill: firefox still doesn't seem to display any double-bytes, so I'm confused |
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| 19:25.49 | dmi3on | why no one is helping me to with vnc ? |
| 19:25.59 | themill | Seb: you might need to restart firefox. You might also need to tell it what font to use. |
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| 19:26.41 | Seb | themill: yeah, do i really need to select one font per language ? |
| 19:27.02 | Seb | themill: i see "other languages", but I'm afraid I can't pick something that's gonna "fit all" for that :) |
| 19:27.14 | jelly | I wonder if md can promote raid5 to raid6 |
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| 19:27.58 | themill | Seb: if you have a font with good unicode coverage, you shouldn't need more than one font per language. Setting the standard fonts should be sufficient. |
| 19:28.33 | Seb | themill: so, just setting "other language" to use bitstream vera should be enough, for instance ? |
| 19:29.13 | Seb | themill: well, restarting FF did it, it seems |
| 19:29.19 | Seb | themill: thank you very much for your help |
| 19:29.32 | themill | no worries |
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| 19:30.19 | dmi3on | can any one help me with vnc please |
| 19:30.20 | mike_xcr | Hi guys |
| 19:30.26 | mike_xcr | and girls ;-) |
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| 19:30.33 | mike_xcr | i got question... |
| 19:30.50 | mike_xcr | why lenny had gnome 2.22? |
| 19:31.06 | mike_xcr | gnome 2.24 is release and stable ofc... |
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| 19:31.25 | tubaman | dmi3on, ask your question dude |
| 19:31.36 | dmi3on | tubaman, thx :) |
| 19:31.43 | jelly | mike_xcr: what does "ofc" mean? |
| 19:31.56 | dmi3on | tubaman, set up on debian vnc4server and on vista viewer works |
| 19:32.03 | mike_xcr | of course |
| 19:32.11 | jelly | thanks |
| 19:32.35 | dmi3on | tubaman, fine, Problemes are i can find how to set up to see in viewer full desktop with needed resolution etc... |
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| 19:33.00 | dmi3on | cant* |
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| 19:34.03 | tubaman | dmi3on, what resolution is the vncserver running at now? |
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| 19:34.37 | dmi3on | tubaman, i guess 640x800 and like 8 bits no desktop |
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| 19:36.43 | dmi3on | tubaman, only teminalwindow |
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| 19:37.48 | tubaman | dmi3on, what you probably want is x11vnc, not vnc4server. x11vnc exports an already exisiting desktoip session (i.e. you're current desktop) |
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| 19:38.47 | dmi3on | tubaman, i like vnc because i can use multiply desktops |
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| 19:39.33 | dmi3on | tubaman, + i spend so much time trying to fix it |
| 19:39.41 | dmi3on | i just cnat give up now :) |
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| 19:40.09 | dmi3on | tubaman, pls can you help me |
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| 19:41.24 | ricoshady | whats the best MTA for the most basic email needs |
| 19:41.28 | ricoshady | exim4? sendmail? |
| 19:41.31 | tubaman | what desktop environment are you running(gnome, KDE)? |
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| 19:42.05 | dmi3on | tubaman, gnome |
| 19:42.17 | jelly | ricoshady: either whatever gets installed by default, or postfix :-) |
| 19:42.41 | enouf | ricoshady: the one you're most comfortable with :-P |
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| 19:43.46 | tubaman | dmi3on, type gnome-session in that terminal that's already open |
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| 19:44.20 | tubaman | dmi3on, you'll want to run your vncserver as a different user than your main desktop though. gnome isn't designed to be run multiple times under the same user |
| 19:44.21 | dihymo | is there a way to configure gnome to use sawfish? |
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| 19:45.41 | enouf | update-alternative --config x-window-manager ? gdmsetup? see /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf? |
| 19:45.57 | enouf | update-alternatives* |
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| 19:46.44 | dihymo | tubaman i think vinaigre does in fact share the current screen and actually it's X which runs the user so you can have multiple instances for the same user, it will be confusing to gnome-session or any daemons |
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| 19:56.02 | ricoshady | I just removed exim4 using apt, and its still there? wtf |
| 19:56.21 | ricoshady | now when I run it, it says its not installed, but I can still start it up |
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| 19:57.28 | tubaman | ricoshady, apt-get remove exim4-base |
| 19:57.46 | jelly | ricoshady: instead of removing the current MTA, just install the one you want first |
| 19:57.58 | antipivo | hello, I send ping, but not see results resolve, why ? sample |
| 19:57.58 | antipivo | ~$ ping 193.110.x.x |
| 19:57.59 | antipivo | PING 193.110.x.x (193.110.x.x) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 19:57.59 | antipivo | and all stop? why ? |
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| 19:58.16 | thasp | i have my raid5 array going now, and i notice md0_raid5 is now using 4-10% CPU at all times |
| 19:58.17 | newsense_ | AntiSpamMeta: ip addresses cant have letters |
| 19:58.23 | newsense_ | err sorry |
| 19:58.37 | thasp | this is a 2.2 Ghz amd64, so it's modern enough that raid shouldn't be taking near 10% when it's not even mounted |
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| 19:58.49 | jelly | thasp: is ti rebuilding? |
| 19:58.59 | thasp | jelly, no idea. i just created it |
| 19:59.07 | jelly | thasp: hten the answer is "yes" |
| 19:59.09 | thasp | i formatted it with reiserfs |
| 19:59.20 | thasp | how long could it take to rebuild nothing, jelly? :( |
| 19:59.27 | jelly | thasp: it's not nothing. |
| 19:59.31 | zinx | thasp: it's rebuilding the entire drive, not nothing |
| 19:59.51 | jelly | thasp: look at /proc/mdstats |
| 19:59.52 | zinx | thasp: it doesn't only keep parity for files.. it keeps it for everything, even empty blocks |
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| 20:00.11 | thasp | that is hardcore |
| 20:00.15 | thasp | pets mdadm. |
| 20:00.24 | zinx | thasp: takes the same time to rebuild an empty filesystem as a full one (no more, no less..) :/ |
| 20:00.25 | thasp | thanks, as long as it's normal and not some exploit or something I'm happy. :] |
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| 20:01.06 | jelly | i r in ur amdz exploiting ur raidz |
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| 20:01.58 | Joric | hi there |
| 20:02.12 | Joric | did they put esfq to lenny? |
| 20:02.26 | jelly | esfq? |
| 20:02.31 | Joric | yeah |
| 20:02.39 | jelly | what is esfq? |
| 20:02.45 | Joric | like sfq but with e |
| 20:02.49 | jelly | Ah! |
| 20:02.54 | jelly | Naturally. |
| 20:03.11 | jelly | Joric: my apologies for the confusion. |
| 20:03.21 | adama_ | extra special fair queueing? |
| 20:03.27 | Joric | kindof |
| 20:03.50 | Joric | is it included into lenny? |
| 20:03.55 | jelly | what? |
| 20:04.26 | Joric | *extended, actually |
| 20:04.35 | jelly | !confuse Joric |
| 20:04.35 | dpkg | No, where is their gerbil tomorrow, Joric? pants of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
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| 20:05.34 | Joric | i cant get how to make fair bandwidth usage without esfq/dst ip hash |
| 20:05.43 | jelly | Joric: try explaining what it is instead of what the acronym stands for, perhaps someone will have an idea. |
| 20:05.47 | adama_ | Joric: lenny is Linux kernel version 2.6.26. if this mystery thing you are talkinga bout is in that kernel then yes |
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| 20:06.09 | jelly | if it is a network tc class, say so |
| 20:06.15 | Joric | well i mean the dist |
| 20:06.28 | Joric | i have it on cd along with a kernel |
| 20:06.53 | Joric | debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso |
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| 20:08.17 | Joric | esfq is an absolutely nesessary thing i'd say |
| 20:08.36 | adama_ | Joric: no one knows what esfq is |
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| 20:08.56 | Joric | that's weird |
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| 20:09.20 | Joric | how do you make fair bandwidth usage? |
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| 20:09.34 | jelly | the channel seems to be lacking in network bandwitch shaping experts |
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| 20:11.07 | jelly | Joric: have you tried #netfilter? |
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| 20:11.36 | dkr | Joric: check out lartc.org |
| 20:11.39 | gamla_kossan | hi guys, what version of gcc4 does the latest stable release of debian ship with? |
| 20:11.42 | hifi | when I launch xscreensaver-demo the GTK window is not drawn at all, I just see the box outlines |
| 20:11.48 | Joric | damnit it's the second time i opening the channel with ? on the end |
| 20:12.11 | jelly | judd: versions gcc --release etch |
| 20:12.12 | judd | jelly: gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 |
| 20:12.14 | Joric | i've entered #debian? first time, by someones link |
| 20:12.20 | jelly | gamla_kossan: ^^ |
| 20:12.24 | gamla_kossan | ah |
| 20:12.26 | hifi | oh, it was just damn slow |
| 20:12.27 | gamla_kossan | jelly: :> thanks |
| 20:12.28 | Joric | lol |
| 20:12.31 | jelly | gamla_kossan: that means 4.1.1 |
| 20:12.36 | gamla_kossan | yeah |
| 20:12.37 | gamla_kossan | =) |
| 20:12.39 | dkr | hifi: heh |
| 20:12.41 | Joric | [01:11] <Joric> i'd like to know was esfq included into lenny or not |
| 20:12.41 | Joric | [01:11] <crunge> Joric: wouldn't that be a better question for #debian? |
| 20:12.46 | Joric | (c) #iptables |
| 20:13.01 | jelly | Joric: ask them if it's included with 2.6.26 kernel |
| 20:13.51 | jelly | Joric: if you already know the relevant CONFIG_option for the kernel, we can grep it out for you, but Debian usually enables almost everything in the kernel. |
| 20:13.58 | Joric | i actually HATE recompiling kernel thats why it making me nervous |
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| 20:17.29 | hemmppa | hi everybody...can somebody tell what kind of encrypted password that is: 66 202 73 73 84 132 88 249 ? |
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| 20:18.52 | hemmppa | hi everybody, can somebody tell me what kind of password that is: 66 202 73 73 84 132 88 249 |
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| 20:19.28 | dihymo | decimalized hex? |
| 20:20.23 | hemmppa | hmm. |
| 20:20.28 | hemmppa | iam new to that :d |
| 20:20.44 | hemmppa | so it isnt blowfish or something like that? |
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| 20:20.56 | hemmppa | how can i get that pw in plain text? :( |
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| 20:21.24 | adama_ | hemmppa: you most likely can't. thats what encryption is for :P |
| 20:21.45 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/m38adfc5 - how can i cancel this "pending" install ? |
| 20:22.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, and another day, where we gotta dazzle our customers by amazing leaps of reasoning and imagination.... |
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| 20:22.46 | hemmppa | adama can you tell my what kind of encrypted pw that is, i mean which algorithmus was used to build that ? |
| 20:22.51 | paulfm | oopsie :-) |
| 20:23.09 | adama_ | hemmppa: you may possibly be able to set it to something else you know, if you can figure out how it was generated and set it in whatever place you got it from |
| 20:23.16 | hemmppa | there is an way..for example bruteforce |
| 20:23.35 | hemmppa | i know that the plaintext to 66 202 73 73 84 132 88 249 is: next |
| 20:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Laeborg, try uninstalling the package with dpkg -r virtualbox - if that also fails you'll have to figure out what exactly causes the install to fail and fix it |
| 20:23.48 | hemmppa | next is the plaintext of that encrypted password |
| 20:23.48 | adama_ | hemmppa: i don't recognize it as any specific encryption scheme |
| 20:23.59 | hemmppa | but i want to build it back by my own |
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| 20:24.21 | hemmppa | hmm ok :( |
| 20:24.22 | hemmppa | damn |
| 20:24.24 | adama_ | ok well then |
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| 20:24.43 | Laeborg | that failed CutMeOwnThroat |
| 20:24.53 | DeSian | any way to start gui without Session manager? |
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| 20:25.08 | adama_ | hemmppa > pm |
| 20:25.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | DeSian, 'X' |
| 20:25.38 | Daveyboy | hey guys. bit of a newb. got debian running on my slug and im trying to get hd-ilde to buld on it, following http://hd-idle.sourceforge.net/ but having problems when i trying to make program |
| 20:25.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | DeSian, wait - what is it you mean |
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| 20:26.17 | twisted` | CutMeOwnThroat: type "X" |
| 20:26.43 | twisted` | CutMeOwnThroat: startx could also be available |
| 20:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | twisted`, "X" |
| 20:27.02 | Daveyboy | anyone help... i cd to where i think i got cvs downloaded and make command still not working |
| 20:27.17 | twisted` | Daveyboy: what is the error? |
| 20:27.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | twisted`, and a) it wasn't my question and b) I'm not sure anymore that's what he meant |
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| 20:27.48 | twisted` | whoops |
| 20:27.53 | twisted` | *sleepy* |
| 20:27.54 | Daveyboy | 2 secs, ill just redo it and record it |
| 20:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Daveyboy, any reason why you want to have exactly this program? |
| 20:28.20 | hifi | now, I have a dual head setup with separate X screens (:0.0 and :0.1 respectively), xscreensaver starts only one session and regardless which screen I set using the DISPLAY enviroment variable the splash is always on screen 0 and when a hack starts both screens fade to black but only screen 0 starts running the hack and screen 1 still shows my desktop |
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| 20:28.53 | Daveyboy | install -g root -o root hd-idle /usr/sbin |
| 20:28.53 | Daveyboy | install: cannot stat `hd-idle': No such file or directory |
| 20:28.53 | Daveyboy | make: *** [install-debian] Error 1 |
| 20:29.15 | twisted` | hifi: cause xscreensaver only runs in one X session |
| 20:29.25 | twisted` | hifi: u need to have it start in the other one too |
| 20:29.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Laeborg, with a different error, I guess |
| 20:29.44 | hifi | but it fades the other screen too but immediately shows the desktop again when the hack should strat |
| 20:29.48 | Daveyboy | cuttrhout.... using this prog as its one recomended for my NAS ( i have tried other method... which ill find now) but it didnt spin down usb hdd |
| 20:29.52 | Eulex | Daveyboy, ask the hd-idle people. also google the error. |
| 20:29.56 | hifi | start*, so it seems it's aware of the second screen |
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| 20:30.14 | twisted` | hifi: hmm no idea then |
| 20:30.19 | vlt | Hello. I try to connect to a Debian machine via ssh. What does "stdin: is not a tty" mean? |
| 20:30.26 | Daveyboy | tried googling it... no luck. |
| 20:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Daveyboy, there's e.g. noflushd in Debian - which would be just one command away for you to install |
| 20:30.53 | hifi | twisted`: and I can't start two sessions of xscreensaver for each screen, it just refuses to start on other |
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| 20:31.55 | sosnix | hi |
| 20:32.02 | sosnix | who can do this in gimp http://91.203.132.141/styles/clipbucketblue/images/logo.gif |
| 20:32.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Laeborg, you have to find and modify the postinst//postrm script to see why it fails (alternatively, you could just make it exit and not care that it didn't do its job) |
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| 20:32.41 | vlt | I get "stdin: is not a tty" from Debian running in a XEN domU. Any idea what's missing there? |
| 20:32.56 | twisted` | hifi: dunno, I only have experience with xinerama |
| 20:33.03 | Daveyboy | cutmethroat:.... i follwed instructions fro here, but method 4 didnt work so tried method 5 (hd-idle was next option)....any other suggestions |
| 20:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Laeborg, hm - also you should probably file a bugreport on this - and first check the BTS if the bug is already reported - if it is, there's probably a solution given as well and you don't have to make up your own |
| 20:33.27 | patrikf | hifi: and you did set DISPLAY? |
| 20:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | patrikf, he did |
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| 20:34.33 | hifi | patrikf: http://paste.debian.net/27586/ |
| 20:35.03 | hifi | and as it fades the other screen too it seems to be aware of the other screen, it just doesn't show the hack on the second screen |
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| 20:35.43 | myeggo | where can i find the gnome-config? |
| 20:35.44 | sosnix | hi |
| 20:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hifi, did you use th -display option? |
| 20:35.52 | sosnix | who can do logo 2.0 in GIMP ? |
| 20:35.53 | myeggo | compiling something i get that error |
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| 20:36.41 | arinko | I'm having trouble printing, I can print if I directly feed stuff to /dev/usb/lp0 -- but otherwise nothing prints. |
| 20:36.43 | hifi | CutMeOwnThroat: doesn't change anything, the splash is always shown on screen 0 and both screen fade but only screen 0 shows the hack |
| 20:37.16 | hifi | and I'm explicitly using non-GL hack so it shouldn't depend on hw rendering either |
| 20:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | the manpage actually addresses this also, I think |
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| 20:37.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | in several places actually :) |
| 20:37.41 | dusty | HOw do i get really detailed stats from bind ? |
| 20:37.46 | dusty | I Kno0w about rndc stats.. ? |
| 20:37.46 | hifi | lol |
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| 20:38.42 | hifi | now I started xscreensaver-demo with "DISPLAY=:0.1 xscreensaver-demo -display :0.1" and the demo screen showed up on screen 1 and a dialog box appeader "xscreensaver daemon is not running, start?" and I clicked yes, then I was the same error message in the terminal as when launching two separate xscreensavers for each screen |
| 20:38.44 | arinko | The gui based config programs can see the printer, but not even test pages (from the programs) print. (And its not being slow, one thing got left in the queue for two solid days.) |
| 20:39.54 | hifi | I wasn't the error but ;) |
| 20:40.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hifi, hm, manpage doesn't say much more than that it should work - and display different hacks on both screens... perhaps file a bugreport or check if there is one already |
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| 20:40.59 | hifi | I tried googling it but the only hit that described the same situation (both screens fade but only one shows the hack) didn't get a reply from a mailing list |
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| 20:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, if you're using cups, did you connect to http://localhost:631/ ? |
| 20:42.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hifi, I meant bugs.debian.org |
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| 20:43.50 | arinko | CutMeOwnThroat, lynx: Can't access startfile http://localhost:631/ |
| 20:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Daveyboy, and looks like your make failed, so there is nothing for make install to do... and your make might have failed for a multitude of reasons |
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| 20:44.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, so you aren't using cups? |
| 20:44.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it's pretty much THE way to go these days |
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| 20:45.09 | arinko | I do have cups -- but it appears to be not working. |
| 20:45.13 | giacus | hi guys, asking you the best way to build a Debian Live Custom Distro (for a stable and secure server) |
| 20:45.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't even be able to name another printing system and be sure it's something totally independent |
| 20:45.40 | dejones | Any idea why my Debian install might hang at "Ready" right after loading linux and initrd.gz |
| 20:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, what version of debian, btw |
| 20:45.57 | dejones | I changed DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 and no additional info was printed. :( |
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| 20:46.21 | hifi | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, there is a bug report |
| 20:46.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hifi, :) |
| 20:46.43 | arinko | Stable. |
| 20:46.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | giacus, http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:47.00 | oholiab | Hi, I'm looking to do a netinstall booting off of a usb stick... I've just downloaded the hd-media boot.img.gz, I just need the netinst.iso with that one, am I right? |
| 20:47.16 | giacus | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
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| 20:47.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, hm, I'm running lenny now... things might be different (e.g. it's called cupsys for you, only cups for me) |
| 20:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, what does dpkg -l cups\* | grep ii say |
| 20:47.59 | hifi | CutMeOwnThroat: seems the unstable package 5.05 is outdated and the bug was actually fixed in upstream release 5.07 |
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| 20:48.35 | hifi | upgrading to the experimental package |
| 20:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hifi, check in experimental - unstable is a bit abused as a testing during the freeze |
| 20:48.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh :) |
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| 20:49.38 | hifi | success \o/ |
| 20:50.22 | hifi | just moved today and I have my keyboard on desk nowdays and the cats like to walk or sleep on the keyboard so I want to lock my X session every time I'm away :) |
| 20:50.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell oholiab -about usb install |
| 20:50.55 | dmi3on | hi all one more time if any one knows how to setup xstartup file for vnc4server to see all desktop pls help me |
| 20:50.57 | arinko | cups-common (1.3.7-9), cups-pdf (2.4.2-3), cupsys, cupsys-bsd and cupsys-client (1.2.7-4etch4), cupsys-driver-gutenprint (5.0.0-3), cupsys-pt (1.2.4-3+b1). |
| 20:51.04 | dmi3on | i cnat find it all day |
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| 20:52.12 | jelly | dmi3on: you want to have a separate session, or to see the running X display? |
| 20:52.42 | dmi3on | jelly, i what to learn how to do both and more : ) |
| 20:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, hm, looks kinda ok as far as I can tell check ps aux|grep cups - you could do /etc/init.d/cupsys restart and/or shut it down with "stop", then run /usr/sbin/cupsd (also as root) manually to see if it spits out any errors |
| 20:53.37 | abrotman | oholiab: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 20:53.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, told him that! |
| 20:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, dpkg did |
| 20:54.14 | abrotman | missed it... i'm tired .. wiring cubicles sucks :) |
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| 20:54.20 | dmi3on | jelly, for now i will be happy to set it so i can see it on same lan full desktop deffernt session |
| 20:54.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I bet :) |
| 20:55.11 | sosnix | need help |
| 20:55.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't we all... |
| 20:55.21 | sosnix | wher can i get deb with mmpeg |
| 20:55.21 | sosnix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:55.34 | sosnix | for etch |
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| 20:55.55 | arinko | cupsd was running, and it didn't spew any errors when manually started. |
| 20:56.00 | oholiab | CutMeOwnThroat: I've actually read all of that already, but there's a bit I'm unclear on... it says for netinstall from usb to use the initial ramdisk from netinst instead of from hd-media |
| 20:56.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, also, when starting/restarting cups, check in dmesg for errors |
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| 20:56.16 | anewbie | hi there guys |
| 20:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, if cupsd is running, why can't you connect to localhost:631? |
| 20:56.26 | anewbie | can some one tell me software for webcam testing |
| 20:56.30 | anewbie | i run lenny on asus eeepc 904HD |
| 20:56.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, (as root) what does fuser 631/tcp say? |
| 20:56.35 | anewbie | and my webcam dispaear |
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| 20:57.21 | oholiab | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm fairly certain now actually that it means the boot.img.gz, but I'd just like someone to verify just in case |
| 20:57.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | sosnix, perhaps /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 20:57.48 | arinko | 631/tcp: 7984 |
| 20:58.00 | arinko | 7984 is cupsd. |
| 20:58.21 | dmi3on | jelly, can you help ? |
| 20:58.54 | arinko | Could it have something to do with the firewall? (The script to bring it up spews this error every time its run): insmod: can't read 'ip_conntrack_ftp': No such file or directory |
| 20:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | oholiab, dunno, I've never tried that :) I think if I'm putting Debian on an usb stick, it will not be the installer that I put there, but a full system.. |
| 20:59.08 | jelly | dmi3on: nope, bust at the moment; and I only know how to do the already-running session with x11vnc. |
| 20:59.11 | arinko | (Also "ip_nat_ftp") |
| 20:59.12 | jelly | busy* |
| 20:59.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, than you should be able to connect to cupsd! |
| 20:59.28 | dmi3on | ok, thx any way :) |
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| 20:59.48 | oholiab | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll just give it a try and see what happens I guess :P |
| 20:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, netstat -an |grep 631 should show tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 21:00.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oholiab, the experiment is always the final proof :) |
| 21:00.30 | arinko | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -- exactly identical. |
| 21:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, well, so you must be able to point your browser to localhost:631 (which is the same as 127.0.0.1:631) |
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| 21:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, try "telnet localhost 631" |
| 21:02.02 | sosnix | hi |
| 21:02.06 | arinko | "connection refused.". |
| 21:02.07 | sosnix | were can i get deb for ffmpeg |
| 21:02.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
| 21:03.06 | abrotman | !tell sosnix about dmm |
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| 21:03.21 | sosnix | dmm??? |
| 21:03.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, dmm |
| 21:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | see message from bot |
| 21:03.53 | themill | !connection refused |
| 21:03.54 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 21:03.57 | arinko | o_O |
| 21:04.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, we just verified that cupsd IS listening to it! |
| 21:04.23 | arinko | That was the problem. |
| 21:04.27 | arinko | twitches |
| 21:04.28 | sosnix | like that ffmpeg <dmm etch> ? |
| 21:04.37 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: yes... so there's something wrong with iptables. |
| 21:04.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, well, what does iptables-save say? |
| 21:04.44 | arinko | I checked the firewall rules. |
| 21:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, well, must be - but for localhost?! how the fuck do you manage to get firewall rules for localhost in effect |
| 21:05.27 | arinko | And while 631 was open to connections from 10.0.0.0/24 -- it wasn't opened for 127.0.0.1. |
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| 21:05.38 | twisted` | hmm choices... configure my sound.. cause for some lame reason it doesn't work... or watch top gear |
| 21:05.42 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: that way... |
| 21:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 21:06.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's ONLY listening on localhost, not on the external device |
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| 21:06.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 21:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, what way... |
| 21:06.57 | themill | yeah |
| 21:07.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | how on earth did you get so damn stupid firewall rules into effect? |
| 21:07.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | twisted`, I guess you know about /msg dpkg alsa-checklist ? |
| 21:08.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | twisted`, you could do both :) |
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| 21:08.21 | arinko | I wasn't the one who wrote them (well, except for the ones relating to port 631.) |
| 21:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a cool Skunk Anansie song called "twisted", iirc |
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| 21:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but firewall rules for the lo device are pretty much totally useless by definition... |
| 21:09.30 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: now I'll be waiting for someone with a sellingjesus nick. |
| 21:09.43 | abrotman | sends jelly a Wooden Jesus |
| 21:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | a woody? |
| 21:10.08 | abrotman | it's a song |
| 21:10.17 | arinko | The weird thing was that it suddenly stopped working, *after* the 10.0.0.0/24 rule was added, and several weeks had passed. |
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| 21:11.20 | arinko | Even so, it seems I can't print. |
| 21:11.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I should change my nick to "Heads Explode" |
| 21:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, did you remove all firewall rules for "lo"? |
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| 21:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, well, NOW you can point your browser to localhost:631 anyway... |
| 21:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | try to restart the printer from there |
| 21:13.46 | arinko | deskjet_880c (Default Printer) "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 |
| 21:14.54 | abrotman | isn't that thing like 10 years old? |
| 21:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | the printer? |
| 21:15.50 | jelly | back when HP made good printers? |
| 21:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, that's just a human trait of perception - everything "back in the good old times" was better, even if it wasnt :) |
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| 21:17.03 | jelly | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. |
| 21:17.11 | abrotman | yes, the printer |
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| 21:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | too true... nostalgia was a hell lot better when I was younger |
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| 21:18.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | the song is like 10 years old, too :) |
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| 21:19.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | 12 to be exact |
| 21:19.26 | arinko | This printer has something against me -- I'm positive. |
| 21:19.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | AIDS? |
| 21:19.49 | arinko | So does my printer at home, but this one to a greator extent. |
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| 21:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems more like the guy who added these firewall rules has something against you |
| 21:20.33 | arinko | "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
| 21:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | who knows what other ingenious traps for the unaware he's devised |
| 21:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, can you still print to the print device directly? |
| 21:20.59 | themill | arinko: local usb printer? is it listed in lsusb? |
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| 21:22.12 | arinko | Its not listed on lsusb -- but I can print directly by sending something to the device. |
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| 21:22.28 | sente | hello, i want to create additional mlocate databases with different path pruning, etc. is there a 'suggested' proper place to store the database files? and what about the one line accompanying shell script which merely executes 'mlocate -d /path/to/database.db "$@"' ? |
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| 21:24.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dont think so... /usr/local/bin is popular for custom scripts |
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| 21:25.28 | themill | An alias would probably be more convenient though |
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| 21:26.18 | DeSian | can open new tab with keyboard shortcut in Xterm? |
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| 21:26.26 | sente | yeah i thought about that. a couple other users will also want to use them which is why I was leaning against an alias |
| 21:27.10 | themill | sente: why do want to split up the dbs? |
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| 21:28.14 | twisted` | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks I'll look into it |
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| 21:29.35 | keveam | I have no sound in Debian Lenny. I have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed. When I run alsaconf, it says it's configured, but no sound emits. speaker-test gives me a constant output of "Timer per peroid," and then text under it that says "0 - Front Left." How do I fix this? |
| 21:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | sente, they can if the alias is in /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 21:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell keveam -about alsa checklist |
| 21:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | you already got the alsaconf step done :) |
| 21:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and speaker-test gives me about the same (and outputs some noise) |
| 21:31.21 | arinko | thinks I'm missing something here -- but I'm not sure what. |
| 21:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, beer? |
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| 21:31.46 | arinko | Actually, I am sure what I'm missing, a printer that works. |
| 21:32.02 | sente | themill: because i have a bunch of snapshots from another system, which will occasionally want to searched with locate, but most of the time not |
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| 21:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, you didn't answer the last question, did you? |
| 21:32.38 | themill | sente: ahh, makes sense. |
| 21:32.44 | sente | if they're included in the standard DB using locate would be a pain and require a lot of "|grep -v .. | grep -v .." |
| 21:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | does printing to the device *still* work? |
| 21:33.07 | arinko | Oh, forgot to triple check. |
| 21:33.22 | sente | also, with the old 'locate' i had a custom updatedb.conf which was a script, where I could do fancier pruning than that which appears to be available to me now. |
| 21:33.29 | dmi3on | ok new problem |
| 21:33.30 | dmi3on | :) |
| 21:33.34 | dmi3on | i fix first one |
| 21:33.56 | sente | for isntance, i had a dtabase which had just /snapshots/*/daily.0/ but i don't think i can do that type of pruning with mlocate, can i? |
| 21:34.12 | arinko | The printer immediately wakes up upon: echo "bloody annoying printer">/dev/usb/lp0 |
| 21:34.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | why mlocate instaed of locate? |
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| 21:34.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or is that the same? |
| 21:35.46 | themill | sente: updatedb.conf is still available and PRUNE* options should do what you want although they don't accept wildcards. The old locate is still available in the "locate" package btw |
| 21:35.48 | keveam | CutMeOwnThroat: aplay doesn't work when tried as root. |
| 21:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I see |
| 21:36.25 | dejones | Hey CutMeOwnThroat, I am still having problems. :( I am now trying to install Debian Linux from the USB flash drive onto the SATA drives, but Debian Linux won't boot. It hangs after loading initrd.gz :( |
| 21:36.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is "doesn't work" |
| 21:36.29 | dejones | Any suggestions? |
| 21:36.33 | sente | themill: how can i install the old locate without overwriting mlocate? I'm pretty new to to all of this |
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| 21:37.04 | sente | /usr/bin/locate -> /etc/alternatives/locate -> /usr/bin/mlocate |
| 21:37.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | sente, nothing will be "overwritten" using locate - but the packages might conflict, so it might become uninstalled |
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| 21:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, uninstalling a package won't touch your config files |
| 21:37.50 | themill | sente: they don't conflict with each other so you can install the two packages. Which one gets used when you just run "locate" is determined by the alternatives system. /msg dpkg alternatives |
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| 21:38.15 | themill | But you probably want slocate not locate anyway, actually. |
| 21:38.18 | arinko | CutMeOwnThroat it does print by sending things directly to /dev/usb/lp0 . |
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| 21:39.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | arinko, hm, check on the localhost:631 pages, if cups is really using this device? |
| 21:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | (probably can just do "modify printer" and re-set it to use something |
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| 21:45.19 | sente | themill: i originally came to #debian a couple days ago for slocate, i couldn't find it for some reason. but then i was told to use mlocate instead. |
| 21:45.28 | sente | but okay, i understand what you've said, thank you |
| 21:45.33 | sente | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 21:45.54 | themill | sente: ahh... istr something about slocate not being in lenny because it's an old unmaintained mess and mlocate replaces its functionality |
| 21:46.04 | arinko | Common UNIX Printing System 1.2.7 (from the main page.) |
| 21:46.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | sente, yeah, I just looked at mlocate - sounds like its superior in quite some aspects - but I don't like the feature that it's only showing a user files that he has access to (I am the only user, I want to find everything) |
| 21:47.02 | themill | !dbugs 457565 |
| 21:47.05 | dpkg | DONE:#457565:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: slocate -- RoQA; buggy, unmaintained, replacements available (); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:45:02 UTC [] |
| 21:48.06 | dmi3on | hi all i forwar prot on a router for a vnc4server ip, and whant test it now but have no idea what to type on a PC wich is on deffern lan |
| 21:48.10 | arinko | It really started acting up shortly after I tried to enable other systems on the network to print from it -- it just hasn't cooperated, and has become progressively balky about printing since then. |
| 21:48.28 | dmi3on | can any one tell me pls |
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| 21:49.03 | sente | CutMeOwnThroat: i upgraded to mlocate for exactly that reason. so a user could say not 'locate irclogs' and see all of the logs which exist which they normally wouldn't be able to |
| 21:49.11 | sente | which is what locate did. |
| 21:49.36 | sente | if you're the only user it shouldn't be a problem, right? |
| 21:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | sente, as I'm the only user, I often WANT to find files that only root can see :) |
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| 21:50.28 | anddam | hello |
| 21:50.43 | sente | yeah, a valid argument, but for a multi-user system, it's far from ideal. :) |
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| 21:51.14 | sente | CutMeOwnThroat: 'sudo locate anyfile' ;) |
| 21:51.26 | anddam | I was searching for spice in lenny but wasn't able to find it |
| 21:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | sente, I don't do sudo |
| 21:51.43 | anddam | I found a couple frontend but not spice nor ng-spice |
| 21:51.55 | anddam | what should I search? |
| 21:52.05 | sente | CutMeOwnThroat: ever? |
| 21:53.01 | dondelelcaro | anddam: see #489768 |
| 21:53.12 | anddam | debian trac? |
| 21:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | sente, I'm not in sudoers, so no, I guess not :) |
| 21:53.33 | dondelelcaro | anddam: no, the BTS. |
| 21:53.38 | anddam | dondelelcaro: bugs.debian.org? |
| 21:53.45 | dondelelcaro | anddam: yes |
| 21:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny thing is that easyspice suggests ngspice, which doesn't exist |
| 21:54.33 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: suggests don't have to be satisfiable, actually |
| 21:54.34 | anddam | ah licensing issues |
| 21:54.37 | anddam | thanks |
| 21:54.48 | sente | you're the only user on the system though? and you care to see files which your user doesn't have access to? but you aren't in sudoers? I'm confused |
| 21:55.09 | dondelelcaro | anddam: in any event, geda and gnucap will probably do most of what you want |
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| 21:55.32 | arinko | doesn't use sudo either -- I usually just su or log in as root on a tty whenever I need to be root. |
| 21:55.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, mm, yes, still makes the package kind of useless, I'd think (well, you can get it from somewhere else, sure) |
| 21:55.38 | \amethyst | and the bug has a link to a repository with an unofficial spice package |
| 21:56.10 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: if you have a licence, you can install spice yourself outside of the package management system though |
| 21:56.17 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: easyspice's description said it can be used as a frontend to geda, too |
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| 21:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | sente, I just use "su" and mostly have a shell with root open somewhere... still, yes, guess I normally want to see all files |
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| 21:57.44 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, it's also why it's in contrib |
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| 21:58.04 | dondelelcaro | (since packages in contrib often have this kind of problem |
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| 22:00.29 | slacker_nl | hello, aptitude via the TUI can remove obsolete packages, how can I remove these packages in a one-liner |
| 22:01.13 | marsje | I just did something stupid. I backupped my phone memory to a file, cleaned the phone, then overwritten the file |
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| 22:01.21 | marsje | is there a way I can red the file again? |
| 22:01.33 | marsje | it's still there, but now it is 0 bytes long |
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| 22:02.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsje, not easily |
| 22:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on the filesystem |
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| 22:02.43 | marsje | ext3 |
| 22:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might also remount the filesystem readonly now |
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| 22:03.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's e2undel, recover and magicrescue (the latter works on all filesystems, afaik, the 1st two just on ext[23]) |
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| 22:03.54 | ferret_0567 | The Debian initscripts are stupid, if you enter single user mode, it won't mount the root filesystem readonly |
| 22:03.59 | twisted` | CutMeOwnThroat: tried everything dpkg has about alsa issues, none work |
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| 22:04.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !undelete |
| 22:04.04 | dpkg | i heard undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 22:04.08 | twisted` | also don't have any oss related stuff compiled |
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| 22:04.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | twisted`, compiled? |
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| 22:05.55 | chlue | can someone who runs testing (preferable the amd64 one) say may if he can start xpdf. It segfaults on start here. |
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| 22:08.15 | lostson | chlue: it opened right up here |
| 22:08.16 | ferret_0567 | furthermore, if you fix that, as I did, by adding a function called is_single_user() to /lib/init/mount-functions.sh as I did with the definition is_single_user() { grep -qE '\b(single|[Ss])\b' /proc/mounts && return 0 || return 1 }, afterwards modifying /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh to replace the rootmode=rw line with is_single_user && rootmode=ro || rootmode=rw, Debian will execute all the other init scripts that require a rw filesyst |
| 22:08.16 | ferret_0567 | em to work |
| 22:08.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm on i386... did you look in ldd /usr/bin/xpdf.bin if there's anything loaded from non-standard paths? |
| 22:08.36 | ferret_0567 | so, you end up getting a TON of errors on boot up into single user mode |
| 22:08.36 | rdz | hi all. i wanted to write a /etc/init.d/ script using start-stop-daemon . now, i see that it does not start when an instance of the process is already running. however, i am planning to use several instances of the same command for completely different services. is going the start-stop-daemon route wrong in that situation? |
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| 22:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | chlue, ---^ |
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| 22:09.49 | chlue | lostson: ok, so i messed something up here. |
| 22:09.56 | lostson | possibly |
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| 22:11.44 | ferret_0567 | chlue: xpdf loads on AMD64 here |
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| 22:16.07 | \amethyst | rdz: you'll need to use --pidfile and --make-pidfile instead of --exec |
| 22:16.41 | rdz | \amethyst, ah cool.. thanks a lot |
| 22:17.07 | rdz | \amethyst, will it then ignore, if an instance of the same daemon is already running? |
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| 22:18.37 | \amethyst | rdz: it will check whether the pidfile exists and contains the PID of a running process; if you use both --exec and --pidfile, I believe it also checks whether that process is the correct executable |
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| 22:19.04 | \amethyst | rdz: so you would give each instance a different pidfile |
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| 22:22.08 | rdz | \amethyst, cool-- i think, that is what i need.. thanks a lot |
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| 22:23.34 | fatherx | hi, im trying to install vmware tools, and the installation is asking where is located the "make", does anyone know the answer to where is "make" located? thanks in advance |
| 22:23.56 | twisted` | ok I'm out of ideas... alsamixer is unmuted, it sees my soundcard.... but I get no sound when I play a song in mpg123 or mpg321 or using aplay... |
| 22:23.58 | valdyn | fatherx: im sure that installer would just find make if make was installed |
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| 22:24.13 | pl4yer0ne | morning all |
| 22:24.23 | pobega | fatherx: perhaps you need the package 'makedev'? |
| 22:24.26 | slacker_nl | what does SooL stand for? |
| 22:24.31 | pobega | slacker_nl: Shit out of Luck |
| 22:24.37 | slacker_nl | haha |
| 22:24.37 | slacker_nl | k |
| 22:24.50 | pobega | twisted`: Could you reask your question? I was away |
| 22:25.49 | slacker_nl | hello, aptitude via the TUI can remove obsolete packages, how can I remove these packages in a one-liner |
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| 22:26.23 | pobega | TUI? |
| 22:26.25 | twisted` | pobega: huh can't you scroll back? |
| 22:26.31 | fatherx | valdyn: thanks |
| 22:26.33 | slacker_nl | text user interface :) |
| 22:26.40 | slacker_nl | ala ncurses |
| 22:26.42 | twisted` | ok I'm out of ideas... alsamixer is unmuted, it sees my soundcard.... but I get no sound when I play a song in mpg123 or mpg321 or using aplay... |
| 22:26.54 | pobega | twisted`: I scrolled up about 100 lines and don't see it, it'd be easier if you just hit up and enter few times :] |
| 22:26.57 | pobega | Oh |
| 22:27.02 | pobega | That was your first question? |
| 22:27.10 | pobega | I thought that you had asked something before that, haha |
| 22:27.11 | valdyn | !lastlog |
| 22:27.11 | dpkg | /lastlog <searchterm> |
| 22:27.20 | pobega | valdyn: thanks |
| 22:27.23 | twisted` | pobega: oh most probably... |
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| 22:27.31 | \amethyst | slacker_nl: aptitude remove ~i~o |
| 22:27.57 | \amethyst | slacker_nl: however, note that that also includes things like locally-compiled kernel modules |
| 22:28.00 | pobega | slacker_nl: honestly, I don't mean to say RTFM, but you should for Aptitude |
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| 22:28.05 | twisted` | pobega: was about that I tried everything what dpkg rcommends to try to get alsa going, but it also refers to oss which I don't have compiled in my kernel |
| 22:28.17 | pobega | Aptitude has some pretty cool features that are scarcely documented |
| 22:28.18 | slacker_nl | pobega: I looked for it, but couldn't find it |
| 22:28.27 | pobega | Things that would make me never switch to Wajig/RPM |
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| 22:29.10 | pobega | slacker_nl: Specifically, the bit about Aptitude's "flags" I think they're called. |
| 22:29.16 | pobega | Like ~c, ~i, etc |
| 22:29.17 | slacker_nl | \amethyst: i think that issueing that command to aptitude interactivly will do the same |
| 22:29.30 | pobega | You can do some nifty things, like automatically purge all cruft packages |
| 22:29.41 | pobega | aptitude purge `aptitude search ~c | awk '{print $2}'` |
| 22:29.47 | valdyn | twisted`: verify that alsa really outputs thru that soundcard, switch output plugs |
| 22:30.05 | \amethyst | slacker_nl: yeah, pressing - over "Obsolete and locally installed packages" will do the same |
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| 22:30.12 | valdyn | twisted`: that verifying you can do by looking at /proc/asound/devices |
| 22:30.19 | twisted` | valdyn: how? I got nothin plugged in, I want it to look my internal speakers |
| 22:30.24 | twisted` | valdyn: ah k lemme check |
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| 22:30.37 | slacker_nl | \amethyst: tyvm |
| 22:30.38 | valdyn | twisted`: [ 0- 0] is the default |
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| 22:30.56 | \amethyst | pobega: all the aptitude commands take patterns, so you can write just aptitude purge ~c |
| 22:30.59 | aixenv | i have a system with libc , libc6-dev hosed up, is there any way to fix it w/o reinstalling? perhaps i could grab some *.debs off the install cd? |
| 22:31.01 | valdyn | twisted`: /proc/asound/cards lists sound adapters |
| 22:31.14 | pobega | \amethyst: Wow, you just saved me a ton of time. I thought only search took patterns. |
| 22:31.24 | twisted` | valdyn: it returns 4 things, 0: [ 0] : control, 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback, 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture and 33: : timer |
| 22:31.48 | batcoder-7 | my last attempt, anyone here ever use midnight commander alot and know how for it to treat edit an a custom edit command? |
| 22:31.53 | twisted` | valdyn: that one returns: 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel |
| 22:32.31 | slacker_nl | pobega: man aptitude or man Aptitude? |
| 22:32.34 | valdyn | twisted`: intel hda has a gazillion controls |
| 22:32.49 | slacker_nl | pobega: coz i cannot find it in the manpage |
| 22:32.58 | twisted` | valdyn: dunno it just gives me back those 4 from the first one |
| 22:33.01 | \amethyst | pobega: safer, too, since search can cut off the end of the package name, and $2 could be for example the "auto-installed" flag |
| 22:33.19 | valdyn | twisted`: controls in your mixer |
| 22:33.29 | twisted` | valdyn: just two, master and pcm |
| 22:33.31 | pobega | \amethyst: Yeah, I know that, I actually wrote a long bash script to automatically do it...haha |
| 22:33.34 | pobega | What a waste of time. |
| 22:33.43 | pobega | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.43 | valdyn | twisted`: that means that you dont see all of them |
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| 22:34.02 | \amethyst | pobega: it's not a waste if you learned something :) |
| 22:34.03 | twisted` | valdyn: I suspect, lemme check my kernel maybe I removed something which it needs |
| 22:34.13 | valdyn | twisted`: no you didnt |
| 22:34.32 | dmi3on | why when i connect with vnc4server and in viewer i run openoffice then i cant run openoffice on server too ? |
| 22:34.41 | twisted` | valdyn: its running a custom kernel |
| 22:34.59 | valdyn | twisted`: i dont care, i see that your alsa is configured find in the kernel |
| 22:35.22 | twisted` | valdyn: :) then what can it be that it misses the controls/ |
| 22:35.24 | valdyn | twisted`: your mixer application is simply not showing all controls |
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| 22:35.37 | pobega | \amethyst: well, that's why I still come here :) I'm not the greatest Debian tech ever, but I learn a lot just from lurking. |
| 22:35.54 | kwhite1 | pobega: that's my technique too. |
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| 22:36.08 | \amethyst | dmi3on: because openoffice doesn't like running two copies for the same user |
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| 22:36.26 | valdyn | twisted`: but while youre searching, trying different plugs first is somewhat easier |
| 22:36.41 | dmi3on | \amethyst, ok |
| 22:36.50 | twisted` | valdyn: different plugs? eh? |
| 22:36.58 | slacker_nl | \amethyst: aptitude remove -i-o doesn't work :( |
| 22:37.28 | valdyn | twisted`: where you plug in your speakers |
| 22:37.28 | \amethyst | slacker_nl: tilde not dash |
| 22:37.28 | t325 | Hello, how to empty all the caches from an apache2/php5 debian etch'n'half setup? (I have command line access) My problem is that I modified a php script on the server, but despite even rebooting it, it continues acting as if the script wasn't modified.. |
| 22:37.28 | dmi3on | \amethyst, so i need to configure it for multy users |
| 22:37.28 | twisted` | valdyn: like I said I want to use my internal one's |
| 22:37.28 | dmi3on | \amethyst, ? |
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| 22:37.29 | valdyn | twisted`: I see |
| 22:37.29 | twisted` | valdyn: it's a macbook |
| 22:37.33 | \amethyst | dmi3on: yeah, you could have the VNC instances running as different users |
| 22:37.34 | valdyn | twisted`: some laptops have volume control outside on the case,in hardware |
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| 22:37.54 | twisted` | valdyn: this one is software based afaik |
| 22:37.57 | dmi3on | \amethyst, can you help me do it please |
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| 22:38.15 | \amethyst | dmi3on: I'm not experienced with VNC unfortunately, but I'm sure someone here can help |
| 22:38.15 | valdyn | twisted`: afaik is not really useful |
| 22:38.29 | valdyn | twisted`: if you have volume control button or slider in hardware, use it |
| 22:38.37 | slacker_nl | \amethyst: ahh my bad |
| 22:38.50 | dmi3on | \amethyst, ok |
| 22:39.34 | twisted` | valdyn: well they don't do anything :) |
| 22:40.02 | valdyn | twisted`: how would you know that? |
| 22:40.03 | DeSian | , who can i translate the debian.org page in our language? |
| 22:40.07 | twisted` | valdyn: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#head-7adc5d72650afca10f8983c100c25ca6a73df7fd |
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| 22:40.19 | twisted` | valdyn: cause I just maxed em out and nothing changes |
| 22:40.32 | twisted` | valdyn: and also that document confirms my initial thought |
| 22:40.42 | valdyn | twisted`: You need to customize mixer default to unmute Surround to hear sound and optionally |
| 22:40.50 | DeSian | because i will have Debian in our language too? |
| 22:40.56 | valdyn | twisted`: i told you you got some more mixer controls |
| 22:41.12 | \amethyst | DeSian: what language? |
| 22:41.30 | DeSian | \kurdidh(CKB) |
| 22:42.06 | DeSian | http://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%A7%DA%B5%DB%95%D9%88%DB%95 |
| 22:42.22 | DeSian | \amethyst: ^^ |
| 22:42.25 | \amethyst | DeSian: maybe start at http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating#completenew |
| 22:42.51 | \amethyst | DeSian: it says to contact webmaster@debian.org if you want to start a new translation |
| 22:43.02 | twisted` | valdyn: yeah but how do I get to see them? cause alsamixer doesn't show them |
| 22:43.02 | DeSian | \amethyst: thanx i do it |
| 22:43.17 | EagleScreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.03 | rdz | \amethyst, by reading the man page of start-stop-daemon, i still don't understand: the second paragraph says, that --start checks for the existence of a specified process. i would not like to check for ANY instance of a process (i know, there are other instances running as well) i want start-stop-daemon to test for a process with a specified PID. is that possible? |
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| 22:44.10 | valdyn | twisted`: it should, if you just scroll right by holding the right arrow key |
| 22:44.36 | \amethyst | rdz: if you use --pidfile it is the pidfile that specifies the process |
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| 22:44.49 | valdyn | twisted`: what does alsamixer show cat "Card:" ? |
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| 22:44.57 | valdyn | twisted`: what does alsamixer show *at* "Card:" ? |
| 22:44.58 | twisted` | valdyn: I'd love to make you a screenshot but I can't |
| 22:45.19 | rdz | \amethyst, you mean --start --pidfile /path/to/pid --exec $DAEMON ? |
| 22:45.38 | twisted` | valdyn: Card: HDA Intel |
| 22:45.48 | twisted` | valdyn: Chip: SigmaTel ID 7680 |
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| 22:45.58 | rdz | \amethyst, or do i need to omit one of these options then in order to start the process? |
| 22:46.13 | dmi3on | can some one help me set up multi user on vnc4server pls |
| 22:47.07 | slacker_nl | \amethyst: those flags, which version of aptitude started to support them? the ~i~o |
| 22:47.20 | valdyn | twisted`: kernel version? |
| 22:47.27 | \amethyst | rdz: using both options together is fine: it will consider the daemon already started only if 1. the pidfile exists 2. a process exists with the named pid 3. the process with that PID has the executable $DAEMON |
| 22:47.42 | twisted` | Linux i206m 2.6.26-gentoo-i206m #1 SMP Fri Dec 5 05:41:19 CET 2008 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| 22:47.52 | twisted` | uh wait, that's remote |
| 22:47.53 | twisted` | forgot. |
| 22:47.55 | \amethyst | rdz: you also need --make-pidfile to have start-stop-daemon create the pidfile |
| 22:48.07 | rdz | \amethyst, ifinally gotcha, i hope.. thanks a lot for your patience |
| 22:48.22 | twisted` | valdyn: Linux a84-22-126-126 2.6.28.2.twistedmb #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 2 19:22:04 CET 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:48.36 | \amethyst | slacker_nl: oh... looks like ~o isn't supported by etch's aptitude |
| 22:48.38 | \amethyst | slacker_nl: hm |
| 22:48.40 | valdyn | twisted`: try if "alsamixer -c 0" shows different controls |
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| 22:48.58 | twisted` | valdyn: same |
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| 22:49.39 | valdyn | twisted`: thats fishy, hda-intel must have more controls |
| 22:49.47 | valdyn | twisted`: like 10 at least or somesuch |
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| 22:50.05 | twisted` | valdyn: I wouldn't know :) hehehe |
| 22:50.07 | valdyn | twisted`: like i have 18 here, thats about common |
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| 22:50.27 | slacker_nl | \amethyst: tbh, i'm not using it on debian, but on ubuntu :) |
| 22:50.48 | Irreducibilis_ | Seth_Hikaru: Oh lawd. |
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| 22:51.28 | twisted` | valdyn: hmmz... well I'm out of ideas myself... what could I try? |
| 22:51.49 | \amethyst | slacker_nl: maybe aptitude search '~i!~O.*' though that seems to also catch unofficial packages |
| 22:51.50 | valdyn | twisted`: google for your specific model and/or the lspci output for your soundcard |
| 22:52.10 | slacker_nl | \amethyst: aha, somewhere between 0.4.4 and 0.4.9 it got implemented |
| 22:52.40 | twisted` | valdyn: kewl |
| 22:53.11 | twisted` | valdyn: according to most pages I read that it should work out-of-the-box |
| 22:53.27 | twisted` | valdyn: except I only installed the base-system debian |
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| 22:59.14 | twisted` | valdyn: thanks btw |
| 22:59.18 | valdyn | twisted`: it seems like it is working out of the box, except that youre surround volume slider is invisible |
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| 23:00.14 | twisted` | valdyn: afaik it doesn't have 'surround' |
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| 23:00.37 | valdyn | twisted`: it has all kinds of controls that do nothing |
| 23:00.39 | twisted` | valdyn: it got a mic-in and a normal plug for headphne/stereo |
| 23:00.54 | valdyn | twisted`: thats just what hda means, and the wiki does say that too |
| 23:01.26 | blxd | lenny out in a week? |
| 23:01.30 | twisted` | valdyn: hmmz k |
| 23:01.46 | valdyn | twisted`: ah, i got some idea, paste the output of "amixer" on a paste site |
| 23:03.41 | twisted` | valdyn: sure |
| 23:04.57 | twisted` | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/1326668 |
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| 23:06.52 | twisted` | damn the ho in gta sure takes her time, and my money |
| 23:07.06 | valdyn | twisted`: ok, i have the feeling that your driver got broken for your card in latest kernels |
| 23:07.18 | valdyn | twisted`: no hda chip should have this few controls |
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| 23:07.40 | twisted` | valdyn: I guess I can output the stuff from de proc to a pastebin |
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| 23:07.49 | valdyn | twisted`: nah |
| 23:07.54 | rdz | \amethyst, i have troubles make it work. when executing the start line, i don't get any error, but the daemon doesn't run afterwards, though the pidfile is created correctly |
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| 23:08.49 | twisted` | valdyn: k, so I just... get an older kernel and see if it orks? |
| 23:08.52 | blxd | is this true, debian lenny release in a week? |
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| 23:09.38 | zlyzyr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.50 | dmoerner | blxd: feb 14 is tentative date |
| 23:09.55 | valdyn | twisted`: probably, but thats just guessing |
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| 23:10.14 | valdyn | twisted`: whats the pci id? |
| 23:10.21 | twisted` | valdyn: hmm I guess I could boot the stock kernel that came with sid... |
| 23:10.42 | twisted` | valdyn: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 23:10.51 | rdz | \amethyst, sorry for the noise.. found a way to debug it by temporarily omitting the --background option |
| 23:10.53 | valdyn | twisted`: haah |
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| 23:11.04 | valdyn | twisted`: that one has to have like 18 controls at least |
| 23:11.40 | twisted` | crap, what kernel you go? |
| 23:11.42 | twisted` | got* |
| 23:11.48 | twisted` | ok wait lemme rboot into the stock kernel |
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| 23:19.02 | twisted` | valdyn: yeah this kernel does see it |
| 23:19.19 | dmi3on | is there deffernce between xvnc4viewer and ultravnc ? |
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| 23:20.23 | [empire] | how can I get openssh-server installed without debian asking for the installation cd? |
| 23:21.08 | themill | [empire]: comment out the CD line in your /etc/apt/sources.list and run aptitude update. |
| 23:21.19 | themill | [empire]: (make sure you have a line for a regular mirror in there though) |
| 23:24.21 | [empire] | themill: thanks |
| 23:24.27 | batcoder-7 | anyonere use gFTP is there any way to select multiple files in that list? instead if transferring each one by one ? |
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| 23:27.47 | blxd | anywhere to see the changes between the unstable weekly builds? |
| 23:28.03 | cinch | batcoder-7: dunno, i use konqueror for ftp |
| 23:28.29 | batcoder-7 | in konq can you use your mouse to drag and select multiple files? |
| 23:28.38 | cinch | yea |
| 23:28.53 | blxd | differences in "testing" weekly builds I mean. |
| 23:28.54 | batcoder-7 | do you know how to do that with a gtk list view? |
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| 23:29.04 | batcoder-7 | there has got to be a way to do it |
| 23:29.11 | twisted` | valdyn: music works now |
| 23:29.12 | twisted` | w00t |
| 23:29.25 | twisted` | valdyn: so I guess the driver is broken in 2.6.28-2 |
| 23:29.27 | cinch | does shift-click select multiple? |
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| 23:29.33 | dmi3on | hi all, i did everything what is said here but couldnt connect to 192.168.....:1 server, but is i type /etc/init.d/xinetd stop, then run vnc4server :1 everything is working |
| 23:29.48 | dmi3on | can any one find mistake |
| 23:30.06 | batcoder-7 | cinch, i thought that as well but its not |
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| 23:31.20 | dmi3on | hi all, i did everything what is said here http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html but couldnt connect to 192.168.....:1 server, but is i type /etc/init.d/xinetd stop, then run vnc4server :1 everything is working |
| 23:31.31 | dmi3on | i run debian now |
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| 23:35.03 | JordiGH | This is very odd... can a --force on dpkg remove a package but leave it as installed in /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 23:35.33 | JordiGH | Never mind, I misread. |
| 23:36.11 | twisted` | valdyn: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12159 |
| 23:36.27 | jesselang|laptop | Hello. I'm using lenny, and I'm having problems with ssh with a public key pair. |
| 23:37.17 | JordiGH | forced a few things, and aptitude seemed to be able to fix the mess. |
| 23:37.50 | JordiGH | Kids, don't try this at home. |
| 23:38.05 | twisted` | valdyn: I shall grab an even newer kernel and compile it, seems to be fixed. |
| 23:38.09 | twisted` | valdyn: thanks yo! |
| 23:38.22 | dmi3on | hi all, i did everything what is said here http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html but couldnt connect to 192.168.....:1 server, but is i type /etc/init.d/xinetd stop, then run vnc4server :1 everything is working |
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| 23:38.53 | jesselang|laptop | Whenever I have a keypair in ~/.ssh/id_dsa*, ssh will not allow me to enter a password after a failed publickey authentication attempt. It's very odd. |
| 23:39.05 | JordiGH | dmi3on: Wrong channel, we're #debian, not #ubuntu. |
| 23:39.09 | jesselang|laptop | Also, scp doesn't seem to be working for me. |
| 23:39.19 | dmi3on | its i did this on debian |
| 23:39.23 | dmi3on | i have debian |
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| 23:40.24 | jesselang|laptop | This is the case when trying to connect to any server, so I'm sure it must be my client. |
| 23:40.29 | blxd | can someone help me get higher res on the fb and the penguins for the CPU cores with a default debian kernel, is that possible without recompiling? |
| 23:40.56 | JordiGH | jesselang|laptop: So what happens? You just don't log in at all? |
| 23:40.58 | kwhite1 | jesselang|laptop: I've had strange issues too. It sometimes doesn't see my id_rsa key and asks for me fir my password |
| 23:41.12 | kwhite1 | jesselang|laptop: other machines work fine with the same key tho |
| 23:41.20 | JordiGH | kwhite1: I've had that happen when the target server was using kerberos and afs. |
| 23:41.24 | meyou | kwhite1 we related? :p |
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| 23:42.06 | jesselang|laptop | debug3: send_pubkey_test |
| 23:42.06 | jesselang|laptop | debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply |
| 23:42.19 | jesselang|laptop | And then it just waits for a long time, then closes the connection. |
| 23:42.51 | kwhite1 | JordiGH: they're using LDAP for their accounts |
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| 23:43.17 | jesselang|laptop | If I pass "-o PreferredAuthentications=password" then I can enter a password, otherwise I'm not given the option. |
| 23:43.18 | JordiGH | kwhite1: Yeah, one of those. The problem is that the homedir doesn't get mounted until after you log in. :-/ |
| 23:43.38 | JordiGH | jesselang|laptop: Did you fuck around with /etc/ssh* ? |
| 23:43.41 | jesselang|laptop | If I rename my keypair, I am given the option to enter a password. |
| 23:44.00 | JordiGH | means "fuck" in a friendly way. |
| 23:44.15 | JordiGH | jesselang|laptop: I.e. are you not using the default ssh options? |
| 23:44.23 | jesselang|laptop | But scp won't work no matter what. It creates the file on the remote host, but no data is transferred. |
| 23:44.35 | jesselang|laptop | JordiGH, I did not mess with /etc/ssh/* |
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| 23:45.59 | jesselang|laptop | I've never seen this kind of behavior before. It's very odd. |
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| 23:46.19 | JordiGH | jesselang|laptop: And you say this happens with all servers? |
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| 23:47.20 | jesselang|laptop | All servers that I've tried so far. |
| 23:48.01 | jesselang|laptop | Some which had my public key, and some which didn't. |
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| 23:48.58 | jelly-home | jesselang|laptop: does sftp work? |
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| 23:50.17 | kjetilho | hey guys, I don't understand pinning priority. I have two packages, one with priority 1001 and one with 2000, but it still wants to downgrade to the 1001 package. |
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| 23:50.22 | jesselang|laptop | It doesn't appear so, no. |
| 23:50.32 | jesselang|laptop | jelly-home: It doesn't appear so, no. |
| 23:51.50 | kjetilho | here's my /etc/apt/preferences: http://pastie.org/378942 |
| 23:52.18 | jesselang|laptop | Hmm. |
| 23:52.20 | jelly-home | jesselang|laptop: can you sniff the traffic at both ends and compare? |
| 23:52.33 | jesselang|laptop | jelly, I can download using sftp, but not upload. |
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| 23:52.57 | jesselang|laptop | jelly-home, I can "get", but not "put". |
| 23:53.12 | jelly-home | what you mean is, "put" hangs, right? |
| 23:53.18 | jesselang|laptop | Yes. |
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| 23:53.53 | jelly-home | jesselang|laptop: can you reproduce on local network segment? |
| 23:54.15 | jesselang|laptop | I'm connected via an openvpn connection. |
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| 23:55.10 | jesselang|laptop | I'll have to try it when I get back home and see if I have the same problem. |
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| 23:56.02 | kjetilho | oh well, setting the priority for distro packages to 900 did the trick. but I'm not sure this will cause "stray", manually installed packages to be automatically removed, which was the intent of setting the priority to 1001 |
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| 23:56.33 | factor | anyone work with OV511 web cam drivers. |
| 23:56.36 | JordiGH | I thought there was a maximum pin? |
| 23:56.37 | jelly-home | jesselang|laptop: your ISP might be shaping traffic and that might have weird consequences with the tunneled tcp connections. This could be investigated by taking a look at the network traffic at both ends. |
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| 23:56.46 | factor | I get 3 b/w images with camorama |
| 23:56.58 | factor | instead of one color and one image |
| 23:57.21 | jesselang|laptop | jelly-home, scp works to download a file, but again, the upload is non-existent. |
| 23:57.44 | jesselang|laptop | It's not my local iptables config. I disabled that temporarily. |
| 23:58.00 | kjetilho | JordiGH: I don't know, I'm a n00b -- but the behaviour didn't seem very intuitive |
| 23:58.22 | kjetilho | and apt_preference(5) doesn't explain what happens when two packages have 1000+ priority |
| 23:58.28 | jelly-home | jesselang|laptop: does any kind of upload stream hang? iperf, netcat and pipe? |
| 23:58.28 | kjetilho | AFAICT |
| 23:58.39 | themill | kjetilho: pinning is rarely the answer to your troubles. /msg dpkg pinning |
| 23:58.40 | jesselang|laptop | jelly-home: I'm at a public wifi spot at Panera Bread. Do you suppose that they are shaping the traffic? |
| 23:58.57 | krypnos | jesselang|laptop: Yes. |
| 23:59.08 | jelly-home | jesselang|laptop: I would if I had a public hotspot. |
| 23:59.14 | krypnos | jesselang|laptop: I was at one at Lunch today and had issues getting to my servers |
| 23:59.32 | krypnos | jesselang|laptop: Had to use my evdo card |
| 23:59.50 | jesselang|laptop | krypnos, jelly-home: that hugely sucks. |
