| 00:00.09 | kjetilho | themill: I guess you're saying the "safety net" of locking onto a single deb-source is a bad idea? |
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| 00:00.09 | krypnos | jesselang|laptop: I agree |
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| 00:01.37 | jesselang|laptop | I might need to get a Sprint card if this kind of thing keeps up. |
| 00:01.44 | jesselang|laptop | I couldn't get a thing done this afternoon. |
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| 00:02.32 | jesselang|laptop | Well thanks for the help, guys. I'll have to try a couple other hotspots and see how they compare. |
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| 00:02.53 | krypnos | jesselang|laptop: mine runs great. Custom dial script and I find the connection sower than when I'm in windows,but overall quite nice |
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| 00:03.45 | krypnos | jesselang|laptop: What kind of area are you in? City or Suburbs? |
| 00:03.59 | jesselang|laptop | Yeah. The $60/mo is a little steep, but I guess it's becoming a must if folks like Panera are clamping down on usage like this. |
| 00:04.23 | jesselang|laptop | krypnos, a suburb north of MPLS. |
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| 00:04.48 | Panarchy | says Hi |
| 00:05.21 | JordiGH | !greet Panarchy |
| 00:05.21 | dpkg | Salutations, Panarchy |
| 00:05.41 | jesselang|laptop | Thanks again. Bye. |
| 00:05.44 | krypnos | jesselang|laptop: Don't know what MPLS is, but I know in the city were I am, a lot of the big offices don't lock theirs down :) |
| 00:05.46 | Panarchy | I'm having a lot of trouble. GRUB gave me an error at bootup. Error 22 |
| 00:06.06 | Panarchy | I have 2 partitions with OS's on that hard-drive |
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| 00:06.26 | Panarchy | Now I only have 1 (deleted the partition that had a Linux OS on it) |
| 00:06.38 | Panarchy | How can I reinstall a boot-manager? |
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| 00:09.04 | Panarchy | I'm having a lot of trouble. GRUB gave me an error at bootup. Error 22 | So I booted into partedmagic and deleted the partition that had a Linux OS on it. Now I'm still getting the GRUB error, 22. Please tell me how to install a boot-manager back to my computer (preferable NTLDR). |
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| 00:13.20 | bradd | hi. does anyone know how to disable nfsv4 (i'd like to use v3) |
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| 00:13.28 | adama_ | Panarchy: boot a windows CD into the recovery thing and type some commands which can be found on Google |
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| 00:15.24 | Panarchy | adama_: Is there another way? I can't find my disc |
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| 00:15.49 | krypnos | Panarchy: some debian distros have a package for it... |
| 00:16.01 | Panarchy | Great |
| 00:16.22 | Panarchy | Let's see... sorry, the only LiveCDs I have around are FreeBSD, PartedMagic and Ubuntu |
| 00:16.53 | krypnos | Panarchy: http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:16.59 | adama_ | Panarchy: probably. You could probably do it with the linux cds but I don't know how |
| 00:17.03 | krypnos | Panarchy: Ubuntu dapper had it. |
| 00:17.26 | Panarchy | I've got Interpid |
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| 00:17.59 | SPF | Panarchy: you can put NTLDR back using the recovery console of your windows cd |
| 00:18.15 | krypnos | there is a deb for it probably on a website. It was removed in Hardy |
| 00:18.16 | SPF | Panarchy: using the command fixmbr |
| 00:18.30 | Panarchy | spf: I lost the disc! |
| 00:18.32 | krypnos | SPF: Panarchy doesn't have the cd |
| 00:18.46 | Panarchy | Thanks krypnos, I'm downloading that now |
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| 00:19.04 | krypnos | Panarchy: np |
| 00:19.26 | Panarchy | Okay, downloaded it |
| 00:19.28 | Panarchy | Now what? |
| 00:19.36 | Panarchy | How do I make a .iso on Ubuntu? |
| 00:19.40 | twisted` | valdyn: Linux salai 2.6.29-rc3.twistedmb #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Feb 4 00:58:09 CET 2009 i686 GNU/Linux <<< sound works =) |
| 00:20.07 | krypnos | Panarchy: You downloaded what? the stuff from the sourceforge site? If so, read the directions. |
| 00:20.13 | Panarchy | How do I make an .iso on Debian? |
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| 00:20.46 | Panarchy | fonty-rg? |
| 00:21.02 | krypnos | Panarchy: although, you will probably want to download it from the livecd environment and run it. I know of it's existence; never used it. My environments are FreeBSD+Debian. Only windows machine is the work one |
| 00:21.14 | krypnos | (And that's only temporary :) ) |
| 00:21.57 | Panarchy | So I can't run it from it's own liveCD? |
| 00:22.44 | shabble | I'm trying to install php5-pgsql, and it's complaining that I have a newer version of php5-common (dependency is an =OLD.VER) installed. Do I want to a) get it and force it in there with dpkg? b) downgrade my current php5-common package? c) some magic d) give up and become a sheep farmer? |
| 00:23.07 | shabble | any suggestions? :) |
| 00:23.16 | cinch | sheep farmer! |
| 00:23.19 | dondelelcaro | shabble: you either want to downgrade it, or install the version of -pgsql that corresponds to your -common package |
| 00:23.37 | shabble | dondelelcaro: yeah, that's what I thought, but there doesn't appear to be one available |
| 00:23.49 | krypnos | Panarchy: I don't think so. It should just be a piece of software, not a distro |
| 00:23.53 | shabble | maybe get the src .deb and build it myself |
| 00:23.57 | jelly-home | !baa |
| 00:23.57 | dpkg | well, baa is the sound a sheep makes |
| 00:23.58 | Panarchy | Does FreeBSD run from a liveCD? |
| 00:23.59 | dondelelcaro | shabble: which version is it? |
| 00:24.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell shabble -about bat |
| 00:24.19 | dondelelcaro | shabble: follow those instructions so we can see what you should be doing |
| 00:24.32 | krypnos | Panarchy: Do you get any more info than "error 22"? |
| 00:25.35 | shabble | dondelelcaro: cheers, putting togther a pastie now |
| 00:25.41 | Panarchy | Does FreeBSD run from a liveCD? |
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| 00:26.23 | Panarchy | Wait, just found a kubuntu 8.04 disc |
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| 00:27.20 | shabble | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/27604/ |
| 00:27.28 | krypnos | Panarchy: Then, If I were you I would boot the Kubuntu LiveCD and try http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/ms-sys/download |
| 00:27.50 | krypnos | shrugs |
| 00:27.52 | krypnos | nevermind |
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| 00:28.12 | dondelelcaro | shabble: what's the output of apt-cache policy php5-common php5; |
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| 00:29.26 | shabble | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/27605/ |
| 00:29.58 | dondelelcaro | shabble: ok, downgrade php5-common, and install php5-pgsql |
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| 00:30.19 | dondelelcaro | shabble: if something else depends on that version, you'll probably have to downgrade it as well |
| 00:30.23 | shabble | is there a way to donwgrade without apt-get remove/install =pkgname? |
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| 00:30.38 | dondelelcaro | shabble: aptitude install php5-common=5.2.0-8+etch13 php5-pgsql; |
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| 00:30.48 | shabble | there's a bunch of dependencies that it wants to remove as well (but only because they depend on php5 in general, not that version) |
| 00:30.49 | dondelelcaro | shabble: man aptitude; for details |
| 00:31.04 | dondelelcaro | shabble: yeah, that's because you've managed to break php5, which depends on a specific version of php5-common |
| 00:31.25 | shabble | hmm, no idea how :) |
| 00:31.42 | dondelelcaro | probably by using dpkg -i, or a partial upgrade |
| 00:31.59 | shabble | nah, don't think I've manually dpkged at all on here |
| 00:32.00 | dondelelcaro | (presumably to some lenny package at some point during the testing development cycle) |
| 00:32.11 | shabble | might have upgraded by mistake though |
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| 00:33.00 | shabble | ooh dear, 'the following packages will be BROKEN: php5-mysql php5-cli' |
| 00:33.05 | shabble | that sounds...troublesome |
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| 00:33.20 | dondelelcaro | shabble: so yeah, you'll have to dowgrade php5-mysql and php5-cli as well |
| 00:33.31 | dondelelcaro | shabble: do it the same way that you're downgrading php5-common |
| 00:33.40 | shabble | right |
| 00:34.03 | dondelelcaro | shabble: you can also do this all using the aptitude curses interface, which makes this kind of dependency resolution rather trivial |
| 00:34.19 | dondelelcaro | (though I'd suggest getting familiar with it first) |
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| 00:34.44 | shabble | dondelelcaro: yeah, I've just noticed it's giving me a bunch of scored options with different downgrade/break/remove combinations |
| 00:34.48 | shabble | one of them looks promising |
| 00:35.58 | shabble | I've never even seen aptitude before |
| 00:36.01 | shabble | time for some prodding! |
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| 00:38.06 | shabble | dondelelcaro: right, I'll go figure out a plan, and maybe come back here when I break things |
| 00:38.06 | shabble | thanks for all your hlep |
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| 00:38.06 | shabble | help, too |
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| 00:50.11 | Sifre | hi |
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| 00:50.40 | Sifre | how to opne rumasi1.1.tgz |
| 00:50.54 | Sifre | how to open rumasi.tgz file? |
| 00:51.03 | Sifre | ? |
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| 00:51.27 | abrotman | Sifre: tar -zxf foo.tgz |
| 00:51.35 | Sifre | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 00:51.35 | Sifre | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 00:51.35 | Sifre | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 00:51.47 | Sifre | what is this |
| 00:51.50 | Sifre | yes me to |
| 00:51.55 | Sifre | open |
| 00:51.59 | abrotman | then just tar -xf foo.tgz .. your browser may have unzipped it already |
| 00:52.05 | abrotman | and stop hitting enter .. it's not a toy |
| 00:52.32 | pobega | If I just added a new repository, how can I tell aptitude to show me which packages are new since the last aptitude update? |
| 00:53.15 | Sifre | how to? |
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| 00:54.30 | abrotman | Sifre: file foo.tgz .. what does it say it is? |
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| 00:55.55 | Sifre | tar: Child returned status 1 |
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| 00:55.59 | Sifre | what this |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | Sifre: file foo.tgz .. what does it say it is? |
| 00:57.48 | Sifre | foo.tgz: ISO-8859 text |
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| 00:58.47 | abrotman | Sifre: cat foo.tgz .. can you read it ? |
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| 00:59.26 | Sifre | link adress |
| 00:59.54 | abrotman | sounds untarzipped to me |
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| 01:00.31 | ix | introduces everyone to the wonderful features of the program "file", which completely eliminates the need to visually inspect files to see wether they are compressed |
| 01:00.38 | ix | :-) |
| 01:00.49 | mmc_ | Anybody know how i an force the Debian installer to not use anything but text-modechars? Meaning no ansi, no vga settings etc. ? |
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| 01:01.25 | infinity1 | is there a way to list only parent processes and not child processes? |
| 01:01.46 | fmr | is playing with mpd |
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| 01:02.25 | paulfitzpatrick | anyone know off the top of their head how squirrelmail encrypts passwords when it checks for users on login? |
| 01:02.48 | abrotman | ix: scroll up |
| 01:03.00 | ix | abrotman: d'oh. |
| 01:03.25 | ix | should've known you were here to inform them :-p |
| 01:03.39 | ix | should've just done a /lastlog -word abrotman |
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| 01:16.54 | karsten | abrotman: Sober? |
| 01:16.58 | aixenv | i have a newer libc6 / libc6-dev and i want to revert to an older one, is it possible? |
| 01:17.10 | aixenv | apt-get wont let me w/o removing the current one which would remove 444 pkg's |
| 01:17.25 | karsten | aixenv: First question |
| 01:17.30 | karsten | aixenv: Why would you want to do that? |
| 01:17.36 | abrotman | karsten: yes |
| 01:17.47 | aixenv | karsten : someone did something stupid, installed lenny's libc6/libc6-dev on etch |
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| 01:18.06 | karsten | aixenv: downgrading isn't supported. |
| 01:18.14 | aixenv | yea i notice that |
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| 01:18.22 | aixenv | so only way to fix is to reinstall eh? |
| 01:18.23 | karsten | aixenv: Frankly, at this point, a reinstall may be the simplest thing to do. |
| 01:18.38 | karsten | I wouldn't say "only". But "easier" definitely. |
| 01:18.45 | aixenv | other options? |
| 01:18.52 | karsten | aixenv: save off /etc, /home, and anything else that's local. |
| 01:19.24 | aixenv | karsten: i already did a rsync from a working etch server of /lib*, /sbin/, /bin/, /usr/* |
| 01:19.30 | karsten | aixenv: ... if you can get your old status file from /var/backups/dplg.status*, you can reinstall what you'd had. |
| 01:19.35 | karsten | aixenv: Ugh. |
| 01:19.45 | karsten | aixenv: Reinstall's going to be a lot cleaner down the road. |
| 01:19.51 | karsten | aixenv: Production or personal system? |
| 01:20.00 | aixenv | yea i know i was jsut trying to get it up and running until the guy at the Dc and get to reinstalling |
| 01:20.15 | aixenv | more so just a "trying to see if it's fixable" type of thing |
| 01:20.44 | aixenv | i do have a jan 27, dpkg.status.1.gz |
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| 01:21.43 | karsten | aixenv: You're going to have to parse that out a bit to get a get/set selections line from it, but that will give you package state. |
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| 01:23.16 | aixenv | so basically cat that file grep for package: and then get them into 1 line? |
| 01:24.08 | aixenv | ok i have a package list now |
| 01:24.29 | karsten | aixenv: awk -F: '/^Package/ {printf( "%s ", $2)}; /^Status/ {printf( "%s\n", $2 )}' /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 | awk '{printf( "%-40s %s\n", $1, $2 )}' |
| 01:24.33 | karsten | aixenv: Should do it to you. |
| 01:25.11 | karsten | aixenv: Probably strip out anything matching 'lib' in package name as well. |
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| 01:26.14 | karsten | aixenv: awk -F: '/^Package/ {printf( "%s ", $2)}; /^Status/ {printf( "%s\n", $2 )}' /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 | awk '{printf( "%-40s %s\n", $1, $2 )}' | grep -v lib | sort -k1,1 |
| 01:26.17 | karsten | aixenv: ... a bit better. |
| 01:26.32 | vlt | Hello. Can you reccommend a simple window manager? I need it just to be able to move some windows in an Xvnc session. |
| 01:26.56 | aixenv | ok ive got that now what? |
| 01:27.41 | karsten | aixenv: Pipe to a file and save that somewhere handy. Save any logs, /etc, /usr/local, /root, and /home. |
| 01:27.50 | aixenv | ok did that |
| 01:28.06 | karsten | aixenv: Do a minimal install. Run "dpkg --set-selections <saved-package-file |
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| 01:28.20 | karsten | ... where "saved-package-file" is the output from the above command. |
| 01:28.28 | karsten | aixenv: iThat sets your package selection. |
| 01:28.50 | aixenv | gotcha |
| 01:29.00 | karsten | aixenv: aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:29.10 | karsten | aixenv: ... should then install that. I need to verify ... |
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| 01:29.26 | GhostlyDeath | How would I change the language on my system? |
| 01:29.48 | karsten | aixenv: I *know* apt-get dselect-upgrade will do it. |
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| 01:30.55 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 01:32.45 | aixenv | ok |
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| 01:33.14 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: Know what Klingon would be? |
| 01:33.34 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: canadian ? |
| 01:33.58 | GhostlyDeath | I think Canadians speak Frencg |
| 01:34.00 | GhostlyDeath | French* |
| 01:34.13 | zinx | french canadians do |
| 01:34.26 | GhostlyDeath | hmm, Know where I would submit translations? |
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| 01:35.42 | abrotman | for what? |
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| 01:38.30 | JordiGH | hopes there never is a Klingon locale. |
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| 01:43.12 | enouf | vlt: http://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm/ |
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| 01:53.17 | dmi3on | hi all, i set up VNC server with resumable sessions using xinetd but is not working, just vnc4server is working |
| 01:53.33 | dmi3on | any ideas why ? |
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| 01:54.51 | amikrop | Hello. Is there any graphical video format converter? |
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| 01:54.58 | enouf | resumable? i guess 'screen' isn't good enough? |
| 01:55.10 | abrotman | amikrop: that's a bit vague |
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| 01:55.15 | enouf | amikrop: many - from > to ? |
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| 01:55.31 | amikrop | enouf: from everything to everything |
| 01:55.32 | enouf | amikrop: http://wiki.transmission.cc/index.php/FOSS_Codecs_For_Online_Video:_Usability_Uptake_and_Development_1.2 |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | amikrop: you mean a video? or video output? |
| 01:55.51 | amikrop | enouf: from MKV to AVI |
| 01:55.51 | SamWeasley | Hi! Someone has tried Adobe AIR on Debian Lenny? |
| 01:55.56 | amikrop | I mean video files |
| 01:56.04 | amikrop | a video |
| 01:56.11 | cusco | amikrop: try one of the several front ends for mencoder |
| 01:56.24 | amikrop | cusco: how are they called? |
| 01:56.27 | amitz | dmi3on: I remember successfully set such thing up. But it's been a looong time |
| 01:56.44 | dmi3on | amitz, no |
| 01:56.47 | dmi3on | amitz, np |
| 01:57.12 | amitz | dmi3on: what exactly doesn't work, be specific, when and how? |
| 01:57.18 | dmi3on | amitz, thats what i did http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=122402 checked everything like is said |
| 01:57.25 | enouf | does he want xnest? |
| 01:57.26 | abrotman | amitz: google, find them |
| 01:57.48 | cusco | amirok there is a complete list on the mplayer website don't remember all but there is kmenc15 , acidrip |
| 01:58.02 | dmi3on | amitz, vcn4server :2 is working :0 is two if i just connect to 192.168....:2, :0, but if connect to :1 its not :( |
| 01:58.51 | dmi3on | amitz, i forward port too 5901 like is said |
| 01:58.53 | amitz | abrotman: googling out what exactly is dmi3on problem? woah, I don't know dmi3on is that famous! :-P |
| 01:58.59 | amikrop | cusco: ok, thanks |
| 01:59.01 | abrotman | amitz: sorry, not you |
| 01:59.04 | amikrop | thank you, guys :) |
| 01:59.06 | enouf | amikrop: mplayer/mencoder, ffmpeg, avidemux, etc can handle most everything - the mkv might be tough though (avi is just a container) - see #mplayer |
| 01:59.28 | enouf | amikrop: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 01:59.30 | amikrop | enouf: I basically wanted graphical ones |
| 01:59.42 | dmi3on | amitz, you get the i idea what is my problem ? |
| 02:00.06 | enouf | amikrop: i have no idea how integrated gmplayer is, or whatever |
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| 02:00.34 | enouf | amikrop: note DeVeDe is gui, i guess k9copy is as well |
| 02:01.27 | enouf | amikrop: also ask in #videolan (vlc) |
| 02:01.54 | enouf | amikrop: but be polite, and don't cross-post - thanks |
| 02:02.10 | theholyduck | err.... |
| 02:02.14 | amikrop | enouf: Actually I don't mind use ffmpeg as a command line tool. I just dived into its man pages but didn't understand how to make the format conversion. |
| 02:02.23 | theholyduck | amikrop, well first of all |
| 02:02.26 | theholyduck | .avi and .mkv isnt formats |
| 02:02.35 | amikrop | what are they? |
| 02:02.40 | theholyduck | soo saying you want to convert from 1 to the other makes little sense |
| 02:02.40 | dmi3on | amitz, if i run vnc4server :1 i get massage "A VNC server is already rinning as :1" if i type "sudo /etc/xinetd.d/xinted stop" and then vnc4server :1 its working |
| 02:02.41 | enouf | containers |
| 02:02.42 | theholyduck | amikrop, containers |
| 02:02.51 | amitz | dmi3on: what is the meaning of "dmi3on: amitz, vcn4server :2 is working :0 is two if i just connect to 192.168....:2, :0, but if connect to :1 its not " |
| 02:02.57 | theholyduck | you could in some cases copy the video and audiostream from a .mkv into a .avi |
| 02:03.08 | enouf | amikrop: OGG is a container, for vorbis/theora (audio/video) |
| 02:03.10 | amikrop | theholyduck: ok, I want to change from one container to the other |
| 02:03.20 | enouf | amikrop: the URL i gave you tells you all that |
| 02:03.27 | theholyduck | amikrop, well you still probaly want to convert the video |
| 02:03.37 | amikrop | theholyduck: why? |
| 02:03.47 | theholyduck | your .mkv is probaly h264 |
| 02:04.03 | enouf | amikrop: you want to know 'codecs' involved |
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| 02:04.12 | amitz | dmi3on: and why do you need to run vnc4server again? if it's working, then you don't need to run it again. |
| 02:04.16 | theholyduck | wich THEORETICALLY works in .avi's |
| 02:04.17 | dmi3on | amitz, if i type in terminal window comman "vnc4server :2" then try to connect to it useing viewer it works fine, if "vcn4... :1" its not |
| 02:04.35 | amitz | dmi3on: xinetd.conf will automatically run your vncserver |
| 02:04.36 | amikrop | theholyduck, enouf: OK. How can I make it a .avi file, then? |
| 02:04.48 | theholyduck | amikrop, what are you going to DO with that .avi? |
| 02:04.58 | amikrop | theholyduck: watch it |
| 02:05.00 | amikrop | :P |
| 02:05.05 | theholyduck | why cant you watch the .mkv? |
| 02:05.14 | dmi3on | amitz, thats exactly i cant understand why is not working with xinerd.conf |
| 02:05.14 | amikrop | theholyduck: I want it as a .avi |
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| 02:05.29 | theholyduck | amikrop, well give a real reason |
| 02:05.32 | paolwon | anyone using smartlink modem driver? the auto-start script provided for debian is not working. |
| 02:05.34 | theholyduck | like embedded use :P |
| 02:05.44 | dmi3on | amitz, it looks like its running but i cant connect to |
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| 02:05.47 | amikrop | theholyduck: I have my rest videos as .avi and want that, too. |
| 02:05.51 | theholyduck | err.. |
| 02:06.00 | theholyduck | but WHY? |
| 02:06.00 | enouf | dmi3on: try specifying monitor ? DISPLAY=:1.0 ? |
| 02:06.06 | theholyduck | that makes no sense at all |
| 02:06.23 | theholyduck | if you're just playing them on the computer. you're way better off not doing anything with them |
| 02:06.30 | dmi3on | enouf, thats exactly what i did http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=122402 |
| 02:07.00 | dmi3on | enouf, i dont know were to specify monitor |
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| 02:07.24 | theholyduck | the only reason to convert between formats is stuff like compitability with embedded devices |
| 02:07.45 | amikrop | theholyduck: for convention, and homogeneity |
| 02:08.10 | theholyduck | amikrop, soo. youd make the files larger in filesize. worse in quality AND/or broken? |
| 02:08.21 | theholyduck | just because of some sort of silly idea? |
| 02:08.22 | amitz | dmi3on: I haven't seens the xinetd.conf yet, but xinetd.conf suppose to run vncserver _automatically_, you don't have to run it again |
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| 02:08.48 | amikrop | theholyduck: avi files are larger, have worse quality and they are broken? |
| 02:08.49 | amitz | dmi3on: once a vncserver is run, it will automatically occupy a :*, where * is number |
| 02:08.56 | theholyduck | amikrop, well no. |
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| 02:09.04 | abrotman | theholyduck: just let him do what he wants .. he has the tools, his turn to do research |
| 02:09.04 | dmi3on | amitz, when i restart PC i can tell that :1 is running but i cant connect to it, |
| 02:09.16 | theholyduck | amikrop, first of all. |
| 02:09.19 | amikrop | theholyduck: so, why do you say that? :P |
| 02:09.29 | theholyduck | your .mkv is probally softsubbed, h264 video and aac audio |
| 02:09.32 | theholyduck | or something along those lines |
| 02:09.37 | amitz | dmi3on: the fact that you can't run vncserver, |
| 02:09.41 | dmi3on | amitz, server is running but i cant find why i cant connect to it |
| 02:09.47 | theholyduck | there is no NON HACKY way to make that work in a .avi |
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| 02:09.59 | theholyduck | wich means you have to re-encode |
| 02:10.04 | amitz | brb |
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| 02:10.05 | dmi3on | amitz, ok |
| 02:10.12 | amikrop | theholyduck: yes... |
| 02:10.26 | theholyduck | wich screws over video quality. .avi's also have alot of overhead, wich screws over filesize, and if you do something wrong. you break it |
| 02:10.27 | amikrop | theholyduck: I am willing to re-encode |
| 02:10.39 | theholyduck | amikrop, re-encoding is BAAAAAAAAAAAAD |
| 02:10.44 | amikrop | theholyduck: oh |
| 02:10.52 | theholyduck | remuxing wont work in a reliable way |
| 02:10.56 | amikrop | theholyduck: ok, then |
| 02:10.57 | abrotman | theholyduck: amikrop move this to #debian-offtopic please |
| 02:11.07 | theholyduck | abrotman, well i think i convinced him how wrong he is |
| 02:11.17 | theholyduck | soo the conversation is over now |
| 02:11.31 | amikrop | theholyduck: :_( |
| 02:11.59 | amikrop | theholyduck: ok, then. I 'll leave it as .mkv :/ |
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| 02:12.15 | theholyduck | amikrop, next time. just listen to what people tell you the first time instead of insiting on being stubborn |
| 02:12.31 | abrotman | yeah .. like when you're asked to stop |
| 02:12.37 | theholyduck | abrotman, :) |
| 02:12.55 | abrotman | no, seriously |
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| 02:13.33 | amikrop | theholyduck: I don't think I was being stubborn. Since you logically explained me why it won't help, but in fact harm, to proceed with the alteration I wanted, I stopped wanting it. |
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| 02:18.11 | vbgunz | gods forgive me for my stupidness. how do I salvage "dpkg --get-selections" from an old broken install? I have most of the root in a folder. I know the location. is it possible to dpkg --get-selections on the old broken install? |
| 02:18.51 | dmi3on | amitz, are you back ? |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | vbgunz: there is /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 02:19.54 | amitz | i'm on and off, at work |
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| 02:22.07 | devhell | is there debian support for pinnacle tv cards? |
| 02:22.11 | leftStanding | hi, i grabbed linux-uvc-src for my webcam and running make i find it needs a /lib/modules/kernel/build directory. am i right in saying if i apt-get the kernel source that directory and anything else it need will most likely appear? |
| 02:22.21 | dmi3on | amitz, will you be able to help me ? |
| 02:23.01 | leftStanding | devhell: ha awesome handle |
| 02:23.01 | vbgunz | abrotman: it is 41206 lines. I can parse it with some python if necessary. no way to get the specific --get-selections? |
| 02:23.12 | devhell | leftStanding: thanks.. ;) |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | vbgunz: you could also get a list of packages from /usr/share/doc/ perhaps |
| 02:24.13 | noppe | for iptable rules to get loaded at boot, do i just create an executable sh in /etc/network/if-up.d/ and add the line "up /etc/network/if-up.d/rules.sh" to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 02:24.43 | vbgunz | abrotman: cat that directory? |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | ls ? |
| 02:25.08 | vbgunz | I just did and that looks good |
| 02:25.14 | abrotman | noppe: that's one way |
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| 02:25.21 | vbgunz | abrotman: so sorry, what an idiot yeah, ls |
| 02:25.35 | noppe | abrotman: any better ways? |
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| 02:25.43 | Aren2 | need compling help |
| 02:25.51 | abrotman | noppe: that's a perfectly acceptable way |
| 02:26.02 | noppe | okay, thanks :) |
| 02:26.43 | vbgunz | abrotman: I think you're a genius. looking at both files now :) |
| 02:26.49 | Aren2 | türkçe bilen varmı |
| 02:26.57 | abrotman | vbgunz: that's crazy talk |
| 02:27.01 | abrotman | Aren2: english please |
| 02:27.10 | eurythmia | I just installed ipmasq so that I can get networking over USB for my ipaq ... when I run /etc/init.d/ipmasq start and /etc/init.d/ipmasq-kmod start then my other networking craps out (i.e. msn disconnects, I can't visit any webpages, etc.) Can anybody help me to fix this? |
| 02:27.21 | vbgunz | abrotman: I'll be crazy if this works out :) |
| 02:27.50 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:27.52 | Aren2 | aren@aren:~/Desktop/wireless/ieee80211-1.2.18$ sudo make SHELL=/bin/bash |
| 02:27.52 | nsadmin | ipmasq reads the attributes of your interfaces |
| 02:27.52 | Aren2 | Checking in /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic for ieee80211 components... |
| 02:27.52 | Aren2 | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/build M=/home/aren/Desktop/wireless/ieee80211-1.2.18 modules |
| 02:27.52 | Aren2 | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.27-7-generic' |
| 02:27.52 | Aren2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:28.08 | abrotman | and he needs to go to #ubuntu too |
| 02:28.33 | nsadmin | #ubuntutu? |
| 02:28.35 | lostson | heh |
| 02:28.45 | eurythmia | ... if more information is needed, I'll be happy to oblige. |
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| 02:29.11 | abrotman | eurythmia: maybe it has your interfaces backwards? |
| 02:29.31 | eurythmia | abrotman, how might I check/fix this? |
| 02:29.32 | nsadmin | or maybe some interfaces it shouldn't read |
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| 02:29.55 | abrotman | eurythmia: check the config, and which NIC is which |
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| 02:30.12 | kelm | 'hi |
| 02:30.25 | nsadmin | ipmasq assumes the interface with the default route is the outgoing interface |
| 02:30.39 | amitz | dmi3on: what exactly is the error message when you fail to connect. Without that information I can't help you. |
| 02:31.04 | nsadmin | but it might pick up all interfaces listed in ifconfig -a |
| 02:31.10 | dmi3on | amitz, same message like server isnt running |
| 02:31.28 | amitz | dmi3on: and what is that? |
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| 02:31.37 | nsadmin | dmi3on: he wants the exact text |
| 02:32.02 | dmi3on | amitz, sorry |
| 02:32.07 | dmi3on | amitz, one second |
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| 02:32.40 | dmi3on | amitz, faild to connect to server 192.168.1.34:1 |
| 02:33.09 | nsadmin | port 1? |
| 02:33.17 | nsadmin | !port 1 |
| 02:33.25 | amitz | what did you type to connect? |
| 02:33.41 | dmi3on | amitz, tightVNC is in vista |
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| 02:34.02 | dmi3on | amitz, tightVNC its works if i run in debian "vnc4serve :2 or :0" |
| 02:34.06 | eurythmia | abrotman, I know that usb0 is my IPAQ and wlan0 is the wireless connection (the one I use for internet) ... and the relevant parts of the ipmasq rule are pasted here: http://www.pastebin.ca/1326781 |
| 02:34.38 | amitz | dmi3on: the :*, where * is number, actually represents somewhat a session, |
| 02:34.57 | amitz | let me think |
| 02:35.13 | abrotman | eurythmia: that's not very useful |
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| 02:35.32 | abrotman | eurythmia: paste your ifconfig -a and route -n when it's working and when it's not |
| 02:35.45 | eurythmia | abrotman, okay, I'll do that, give me a few moments. |
| 02:35.51 | abrotman | that's fine |
| 02:35.59 | kelm | somebody know the name of this program for list color support by shell? (in term with debian) |
| 02:36.06 | kelm | i don't remeber |
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| 02:36.14 | dmi3on | amitz,i even can connect to it from other ISP using port forwarding just on regular server not on xinetd |
| 02:36.15 | amitz | in tightvncclient in vista, did you specify the :*? |
| 02:36.46 | abrotman | kelm: ls --color ? |
| 02:37.07 | dmi3on | amitz, yes if its :1 not working if its two or :0 it does |
| 02:37.09 | paolwon | one script i have specifies /etc/init.d/functions. but there isn't such file or dir. what is this 'functions'? |
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| 02:37.33 | kelm | abrotman: hum, for shell listing color supported (sorry for my eng) |
| 02:37.36 | amitz | dmi3on: and that is without running vnc4server manually? |
| 02:37.42 | vbgunz | abrotman: got the differences. thanks so much. this will certainly save the day. Im crazy :D |
| 02:38.07 | abrotman | kelm: ls --color |
| 02:38.07 | abrotman | vbgunz: enjoy? :_) |
| 02:38.07 | dmi3on | amitz, :0 yes, and i have to run vnc for :2 |
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| 02:39.25 | kelm | abrotman: not really ;) for a listing (for config my .zshrc) (01;32=green) ..etc |
| 02:39.28 | AussieGuy | hi, I want to limit the upload and download bandwidth of my server to 3Mbps |
| 02:39.36 | AussieGuy | how would I go about doing that? |
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| 02:40.06 | abrotman | !info wondershaper etch |
| 02:40.14 | kelm | a light soft pour listing all color supported , exsist no? |
| 02:40.25 | dmi3on | amitz, now i restart computer and saw new thing, when i try to connect to :1 i get deffernt massege if try to connect to :2 with out running vnc :0 is working fine |
| 02:40.30 | dpkg | wondershaper: (Easy to use traffic shaping script), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1a-4 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 02:40.43 | abrotman | kelm: echo $LS_COLORS ? |
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| 02:41.22 | kelm | abrotman: hum no ;) sorry |
| 02:41.33 | dmi3on | amitz, now i restart computer and saw new thing, when i try to connect to :1 i get "Connection failed - Error readiing Protocol Version" |
| 02:41.36 | kelm | abrotman: i'm so bad in english |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | kelm: debian does have support in many languages .. there might be one in your language |
| 02:42.50 | enouf | kelm: see /etc/skel/.bashrc ? |
| 02:42.55 | enouf | ~$ grep ls /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 02:42.55 | abrotman | kelm: you want to know which shells support which colors ? |
| 02:43.13 | kelm | abrotman: yes i know , its juste hard for me to ask correctly |
| 02:43.16 | enouf | oh.. zsh |
| 02:43.30 | vbgunz | I have 645 packages. what is the cleanest way to remove all the dependencies from this list? in other words. I would like to remove packages x, y and z if installing package "A" will automatically install x, y and z ... any can give me a hint on the best way to do this? |
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| 02:46.24 | kelm | abrotman: i searching just a software (iam sure this soft exist but i have lost his name) his output is a listing of colors (visually on term) (equivalencies shell color code) |
| 02:46.26 | vbgunz | apt-cache depends "package" ... is this the best way? |
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| 02:47.06 | enouf | kelm: http://linuxgazette.net/issue65/padala.html and http://www.termsys.demon.co.uk/vtansi.htm relevant? |
| 02:47.18 | eurythmia | abrotman, here's the new paste with the working and non-working outputs: http://www.pastebin.ca/1326790 |
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| 02:49.05 | kelm | yeah thx enouf but not all colors ;) |
| 02:49.29 | kelm | my question is hard, i know ;) |
| 02:49.33 | vbgunz | got it |
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| 02:49.42 | abrotman | eurythmia: you clearly need more interfaces |
| 02:49.53 | kelm | thx vbgunz |
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| 02:50.48 | axlrose | I installed the official drivers from the ATI websit |
| 02:50.48 | eurythmia | abrotman, you don't think I have enough? ;) |
| 02:51.04 | abrotman | eurythmia: you're missing vmnet 2-7! |
| 02:51.08 | axlrose | how can I tell if it's working? I ran fgl_glxgears and it fails |
| 02:51.12 | eurythmia | :) |
| 02:51.20 | axlrose | so I'm skeptical that its working correctly |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | eurythmia: what if you use route to add a default route ? |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | like .. route add default gw x.x.x.x of your main router ? |
| 02:52.07 | abrotman | course .. all your routes are 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:52.23 | dmi3on | amitz, i find exactly problme i check it from deffernt ISP and get same message "Error reading Protocol Version" using ultravnc on vista |
| 02:52.25 | eurythmia | hm. I haven't thought of doing that after ipmasq was up and running. |
| 02:52.33 | eurythmia | I'll give that a shot. |
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| 02:53.40 | amitz | dmi3on: Don't think I can help with my current situation, try to eliminate the cause I guess. First try to vnc using linux maybe it works. |
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| 02:55.52 | dmi3on | amitz, on same LAN and othe ISP ultravnc works prefect, but if i try to connect to a xinetd server i get same massege "Error reading Protocol Version" i guess problem is in Xvnc but i am new no idea what to change there |
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| 02:58.24 | eurythmia | abrotman, it appears to be working. |
| 02:58.31 | eurythmia | *ping*? |
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| 02:59.20 | abrotman | eurythmia: good |
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| 03:11.20 | broadcaster | can anybody tell me what the difference is between maildrop and courier-maildrop? |
| 03:12.23 | kelm | abrotman: something like xcolors but in tty and placed on board ? |
| 03:12.53 | abrotman | broadcaster: #courier probably could |
| 03:12.57 | abrotman | thinks that still exists |
| 03:13.02 | abrotman | kelm: not making sense |
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| 03:14.06 | kelm | color code visualy in shell with near the color code like 01;33 .etc but with all color shell support |
| 03:14.44 | kelm | its not important i have juste lost the noame of this soft, good nighr every body :) |
| 03:14.57 | broadcaster | abrotman: i will try, but it's usually silent there. |
| 03:16.36 | amitz | dmi3on: vnc can specifiy protocol. Maybe tightvnc from vista can't autodetect protocol or don't have the protocol on server, |
| 03:17.16 | vbgunz | what does it mean when apt-cache depends returns a name in brackets? e.g., <libdigest-md5-perl> |
| 03:17.32 | dmi3on | amitz, why does it works on regular server ? |
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| 03:18.54 | gravity | vbgunz: It's a virtual package I think |
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| 03:20.02 | vbgunz | gravity: ok. hope thats it :) |
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| 03:20.49 | amitz | dmi3on: not sure. have you tried connecting to it locally? |
| 03:21.18 | amitz | maybe xinetd traffic is filtered or somethign like that |
| 03:21.29 | dmi3on | amitz, to regular servers and it works, but if i try to connect to xinted server it doesnt |
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| 03:21.44 | amitz | I mean, connect to xinetd server locally |
| 03:21.55 | dmi3on | amitz, i dont know scripting at all so it ard for me to find like this things |
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| 03:22.33 | dmi3on | amitz, i get Error readiing Protocol Version |
| 03:22.34 | amitz | dmi3on: do vncviewer localhost:5950 or something like that. Forgot the exact syntax |
| 03:23.29 | dmi3on | amitz, i am gettin "failed to connect to server" |
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| 03:29.51 | dmi3on | amitz, for me it looks like problem is in Xvnc were something sayed about protocol, i guess |
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| 03:39.28 | amitz | dmi3on: don't think I can help, sorry |
| 03:40.03 | dmi3on | ok, thank you :) |
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| 03:41.50 | twisted` | hmm weird the values I get from showkeys does not correspond with the values I get from dumpkeys, any ideas? |
| 03:42.10 | dmi3on | amitz, last question how do i set up vnc with dynamic ip ? |
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| 03:46.49 | twisted` | wow it seems X can do it itself :D in the config ^_^ hooray |
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| 04:04.42 | JymmmEMC | I created a debian LiveUSB (this box has no cdrom), and was able to boot off of it. But I'm not sure how to start a real installation to the hdd. any ideas? |
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| 04:20.01 | Wicked | JymmmEMC, yea. i installed etch from a usb stick a few days ago...looking for the article i followed. |
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| 04:20.54 | Wicked | JymmmEMC, i think this is the one http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/installing-debian-etch-with-usb-pen-ethernet-card-not-found-651024/ |
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| 04:21.19 | Wicked | you basicly grab the boot.img and write it to the usb stick then copy the iso over to the usb stick |
| 04:21.36 | hann | hi guys |
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| 04:26.26 | hann | I have a little problem installing debian ( the problem is that the installation begins but do not find any hard disk) What can I do? "I have been trying to install Other linux Os but don't let me do it" |
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| 04:26.58 | theholyduck | hann, modern pc? |
| 04:27.10 | theholyduck | and/or trying to install debian-stable? |
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| 04:29.26 | JymmmEMC | Wicked: Sorry, I already created and have booted off the USB stick, I want to install debian on to the hdd now |
| 04:29.37 | nsgn | argh, ok. new debian user here. can someone shed insight as to why i've had such a hard time getting gcc set up on debian? on ubuntu i had no issues doing the rather simple compiling i need to do. under debian i had to install gcc via apt, and now it seems to be lacking even the most common libraries |
| 04:29.48 | nsgn | so nothing will compile |
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| 04:30.26 | JymmmEMC | Wicked: This 1U box doens't had a cdrom, so I can to boot off of the USB and now I want to do a real install to the hdd. |
| 04:31.08 | JymmmEMC | s/can/had/ |
| 04:31.29 | Wicked | yea. you need to make the usb a certain way to install from it. |
| 04:31.48 | nsgn | did i miss an option in the netinstaller for development tools? |
| 04:32.17 | Wicked | nsgn, install build-essential |
| 04:32.26 | Wicked | that will install gcc and make and verything you need |
| 04:32.32 | Wicked | *everything |
| 04:33.17 | nsgn | Wicked: "install: missing destination file operand after 'build-essential' |
| 04:33.20 | nsgn | " |
| 04:34.09 | Wicked | hmm not really sure...im brand new to debian too..only been using it for a few days. |
| 04:34.18 | nsgn | rats |
| 04:34.29 | nsgn | anyone else? |
| 04:34.49 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn what command did you type to install build-essential? |
| 04:34.55 | nsgn | i've been spoiled by the full ubuntu install which had all this ready out of the box |
| 04:35.06 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: i thought he was literally saying to issue "install build-essential" |
| 04:35.12 | nsgn | so thats what i input |
| 04:35.19 | pl4yer0ne | nah try apt-get install build-essential |
| 04:35.33 | Wicked | ohhh |
| 04:35.38 | nsgn | ok. i was kindof wondering :P but thought he knew better. i sure as heck dont in debian |
| 04:35.38 | Wicked | no. sorry my bad |
| 04:35.40 | nsgn | trying |
| 04:35.58 | Wicked | apt-get install or aptitude install |
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| 04:36.28 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: thanks, its running now. hope i can compile after this. its really a simple thing i need compiled, but i got stopped by this |
| 04:36.54 | pl4yer0ne | yeah give me a shout if you have probs |
| 04:37.05 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: ah, score |
| 04:37.13 | nsgn | i just ran a make file |
| 04:37.21 | nsgn | let me see if my stuff will compile straight in gcc now |
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| 04:38.40 | Seth_Hikaru | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.56 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: thank you much. compiled and running |
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| 04:40.17 | nsgn | only problem is some hardcoding of paths i did which was for freebsd |
| 04:40.20 | nsgn | and isnt translating well here |
| 04:40.29 | nsgn | but i'll see what i can do for that on my own before bothering yall |
| 04:40.31 | pl4yer0ne | gah! hardcoded! |
| 04:40.36 | nsgn | i know :) i know |
| 04:40.52 | nsgn | this is just me screwing around. not code anyone else cares about |
| 04:41.08 | pl4yer0ne | haha no hassle |
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| 04:43.09 | nsgn | actually, know much about apache2's default paths in debian? |
| 04:43.35 | nsgn | where is it rooted? |
| 04:44.05 | nsgn | coming over from freebsd has my head turned around on a few paths here |
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| 04:44.59 | nsgn | ah, var/www |
| 04:45.00 | pl4yer0ne | what do you mean rooted? |
| 04:45.27 | nsgn | well in bsd apache2's install, at least how i'd seen it, had the configs and the web root under one folder |
| 04:45.31 | nsgn | here it's broken out |
| 04:45.36 | nsgn | which kindof makes more sense anyhow |
| 04:46.18 | pl4yer0ne | yeah debian way is often to seperate out as much as possible |
| 04:46.51 | nsgn | ahhaha and the default file for apache isn't there |
| 04:47.05 | nsgn | the default html file simply states "IT WORKS" |
| 04:47.25 | nsgn | which got the message across when i pulled it up |
| 04:47.36 | nsgn | got a laugh when expecting "welcome to apache blah blah blah" |
| 04:47.41 | pl4yer0ne | check /usr/share/doc/apache2/ |
| 04:48.02 | nsgn | they even left apache's graphics in the folder |
| 04:48.10 | nsgn | just blew away apache's index.html with "IT WORKS" |
| 04:48.13 | nsgn | nice |
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| 05:00.30 | \amethyst | what do you mean 'null issue' ? |
| 05:00.32 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 05:02.15 | nsgn | next one: how to enable ssh on debian? |
| 05:02.37 | sauvin | Do you mean to start the sshd server? |
| 05:02.40 | nsgn | i've got the account i want to auth against as a local account, i just need the actual sshd server |
| 05:02.41 | nsgn | yes |
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| 05:03.46 | \amethyst | nsgn: install openssh-server |
| 05:04.06 | nsgn | \amethyst: oh, not in by default? interesting. new to debian and learning a lot |
| 05:04.11 | sauvin | If that's already installed, do an /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 05:04.16 | nsgn | it seems a good bit more minimal in the base package |
| 05:04.26 | nsgn | i didn't install it, so i'm presuming i dont have it |
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| 05:05.31 | nsgn | but that indeed works |
| 05:05.32 | nsgn | thanks |
| 05:05.35 | sauvin | If you do an apt-get install openssh-server, and it's already installed, it'll just laugh at you, no harm done. |
| 05:05.43 | lumgwada | hello I have a java based install.bin binary blob I'm hoping to set up (Anz egate). It's one of those banking serverlets that only officially supports Red Hat. It's failing to find libc.so.6 so it wont compile. Is there any path hacks I can try to get it to compile? |
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| 05:06.10 | Thasp | vsftpd won't let local users log in if I set chmod 700 /home * |
| 05:06.33 | Thasp | or, if I set chmod 700 / . I don't want all users able to see /home, how can I fix that and still allow vsftpd to work? |
| 05:06.41 | \amethyst | Thasp: because the users can't access their own directories |
| 05:06.50 | \amethyst | Thasp: 711 should do |
| 05:07.06 | \amethyst | Thasp: then they can access things under /home (like their own directory), but can't get the listing |
| 05:07.10 | Thasp | \amethyst: doesn't 700 mean only the owner of the file/directory can write or read it? |
| 05:07.29 | \amethyst | Thasp: it also means, for a directory, that only the owner can access files and subdirectories contained within |
| 05:07.32 | Thasp | if they own their home directory I am confused how that doesn't work, unless 700 doesn't mean what I think it does. |
| 05:07.45 | \amethyst | Thasp: and since every user's home directory is contained within, 700 means they can't access them |
| 05:08.52 | \amethyst | Thasp: if /home is 700, only the owner of /home can access /home/jim/ |
| 05:09.12 | \amethyst | Thasp: likewise if / is 700, only root can access the filesystem |
| 05:09.21 | \amethyst | (at least, using absolute paths) |
| 05:09.41 | Thasp | thank you \amethyst |
| 05:10.34 | \amethyst | be careful about changing permissions |
| 05:10.45 | Tramp | Thasp: read about permissions. the "1" (x) permission for directories allows to enter/traverse them ("cd into them") although they remain unreadable/unwritable. It is, howerver, necessary to have x-permission to access directories underneath, as \amethyst pointed out |
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| 05:10.57 | bpun | is there an option to handle the old cpio mode filed handler? (http://savannah.gnu.org/support/?106470) ? |
| 05:11.18 | Thasp | Thanks Tramp. stuff works now, I must say I am happy. :D |
| 05:11.34 | Vicfred | hi, how do i configure scim to enable japanese input? |
| 05:11.53 | \amethyst | bpun: you might be able to use tar or pax instead? |
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| 05:14.45 | sente | can somoene please explain the "00:09:56 server getty[11029]: ttyS1: ioctl: Input/output error" errors which keep showing up in /var/log/auth.log? I've tried googling but I can't seem to find any info |
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| 05:16.29 | nsgn | so, without opening some huge can of worms or starting a war, an innocent question from a new debian user |
| 05:16.33 | \amethyst | sente: is this a modem or a serial terminal? |
| 05:16.38 | liable | sente: what do you have plugged into the serial ports? |
| 05:16.41 | nsgn | why is firefox not the default/included browser? |
| 05:16.57 | liable | !iceweasel |
| 05:16.57 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 05:17.21 | liable | !tell nsgn -about why iceweasel |
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| 05:17.41 | sente | \amethyst, liable: it's a VPS on my friend's hardware, there is no modem involved, i have no idea what would be in the serial ports, but i wouldn't think they would make their way into my VPS, if he uses them for other things |
| 05:18.04 | stoned | hey guys |
| 05:18.05 | \amethyst | sente: check /etc/inittab . It's trying to run a getty on the serial port |
| 05:18.08 | stoned | whats up |
| 05:18.21 | JymmmEMC | Wicked: If you care, THIS is what I was really after... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en It allows you to boot off of USB and install debian to the system's hdd. |
| 05:18.24 | tulas | hi |
| 05:18.33 | tulas | i remember there is a net meter measuring net traffic within icewm |
| 05:18.38 | tulas | does it measure net traffic via libpcap? |
| 05:18.41 | nsgn | liable: the heck. that's kindof screwed up |
| 05:18.45 | craigevil | liable: do know what the changes are in the new eeepc-acpi-scripts ? |
| 05:18.48 | nsgn | but thanks for the explanation |
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| 05:19.09 | Wicked | JymmmEMC, yea. i know...its what i posted earlier...u make a usb stick and install from it. |
| 05:19.19 | JymmmEMC | Wicked: ah |
| 05:19.33 | liable | craigevil: they have done a shitload of commits last day or two, check the git-web page for commit messages |
| 05:19.44 | craigevil | ok |
| 05:19.49 | Vicfred | !scim |
| 05:19.57 | liable | craigevil: i dont really work on the scripts |
| 05:19.57 | sente | \amethyst: interesting: http://pastebin.com/f66592371 ... i can see how the getty statements are uncommented. very weird. |
| 05:20.34 | sente | should i just comment them out? i'm confused what exactly is going on here to be honest |
| 05:20.41 | JymmmEMC | Wicked: Well, a bit less conveluded than the forum link I saw. |
| 05:20.45 | liable | craigevil: you can subscribe to debian-eeepc-commits if you want to get mailed about the commits |
| 05:21.22 | Wicked | JymmmEMC, ah yea. well at least ya got it done. |
| 05:21.36 | \amethyst | sente: yeah, I think commenting them out should be fine |
| 05:21.59 | \amethyst | sente: no idea why they'd be uncommented in the first place |
| 05:23.00 | liable | nsgn: aye, it caused a bit of a stink at the time |
| 05:23.04 | sente | \amethyst: the file was modified 2008-11-27, can i find out what/if-any apt-get/dpkg things were run on that date, easily? |
| 05:23.09 | nsgn | liable: i'd figure so |
| 05:23.15 | nsgn | liable: how does ubuntu deal with it? |
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| 05:23.30 | liable | nsgn: they use the non-free logos |
| 05:23.32 | \amethyst | sente: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 05:23.43 | nsgn | liable: so it was ethics? |
| 05:23.51 | nsgn | debian wanted it to be all free? |
| 05:24.09 | nsgn | it'd make sense to me. shame on mozilla for being stupid about the logos |
| 05:24.10 | sente | \amethyst: thanks. and should i comment out all 3 getty lines? they are in two separate sections |
| 05:24.16 | \amethyst | nsgn: yes, debian considers images etc to be software for the purposes of the DFSG |
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| 05:24.30 | JymmmEMC | Wicked: True, but even the link I gave you wasn't as "straight forward" as it could have been. =) |
| 05:24.40 | \amethyst | sente: no, just the ones for ttyS? |
| 05:24.57 | \amethyst | sente: tty1 is the first virtual terminal---you probably want that :) |
| 05:25.07 | stoned | what does tty stand for |
| 05:25.11 | \amethyst | teletype |
| 05:25.24 | stoned | oh |
| 05:25.44 | stoned | \amethyst, hey I'm working php-qt right now :) |
| 05:25.50 | sente | \amethyst: thanks. so if i commented out the first one and rebooted, would i be locked essentially? |
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| 05:26.14 | \amethyst | sente: no, you could still ssh in; or if a display manager were running you could log in with it |
| 05:26.43 | \amethyst | sente: but you wouldn't be able to log in at the console |
| 05:26.55 | sente | ah, gotcha. ssh is my only means of access |
| 05:27.21 | \amethyst | then you might not even need that one, unless something in the VPS host talks with it |
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| 05:27.40 | sente | my friend can login with the vitualization software i think, he used to be able to I know, but now he's using different software |
| 05:27.53 | sente | either way, no reason to comment it out. thank you for your help \amethyst |
| 05:28.21 | \amethyst | sente: hrm... maybe now his hosting software wants to be a serial terminal, and he uncommented those lines? |
| 05:28.31 | bpun | sente: what do u mean virtualization software, vnc? |
| 05:28.31 | \amethyst | doubt it, but... |
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| 05:29.24 | sente | bpun: he was using Xen, but there was a nasty bug with the hardware |
| 05:29.30 | sente | i mean software like Xen |
| 05:29.37 | ferret_0567 | how can I remount / ro in single user mode (I'm in it right now, su'd to my normal user)? |
| 05:29.45 | nsgn | ok, here's a small but infuriating problem: my keyboard layout doesn't match that which debian expects....i can't do things like hold the shift key and use punctuation. this applies both over SSH and VNC. i've not ever had this issue with another remote connection, and i remote control the crap out of things. what is going on here? |
| 05:29.56 | ferret_0567 | wants to backup his partitions |
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| 05:30.07 | JymmmEMC | Wicked: anyhow... thanks =) |
| 05:30.17 | ferret_0567 | I want to create two VGs, one named Distros, and one named Other |
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| 05:30.48 | \amethyst | nsgn: is the local machine (the one you're sitting at) Debian? |
| 05:31.25 | \amethyst | nsgn: and does this affect local applications, or only remote ones? |
| 05:31.27 | nsgn | \amethyst: nope. currently sitting at a mac. i just find it really odd debian has this issue because i've controlled just about every flavor of windows and many freebsd and linux distros from this very mac with no such issue |
| 05:32.10 | \amethyst | nsgn: if shift+ascii chars aren't working over ssh, that's most likely your terminal's fault |
| 05:32.25 | nsgn | \amethyst: i've neverrr had this issue with freebsd |
| 05:32.33 | nsgn | and it's not just happening via SSH |
| 05:32.34 | nsgn | its VNC too |
| 05:32.37 | nsgn | which really is odd |
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| 05:32.48 | \amethyst | it doesn't make sense for that to be happening over ssh |
| 05:33.05 | \amethyst | hm |
| 05:33.07 | \amethyst | oh |
| 05:33.20 | \amethyst | are you talking about X forwarding in ssh? |
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| 05:33.25 | nsgn | no |
| 05:33.30 | nsgn | at a command prompt |
| 05:33.33 | nsgn | trying to use pico to edit a file |
| 05:33.47 | nsgn | and i cant type any punctuation |
| 05:33.50 | nsgn | which sucks for coding :) |
| 05:33.52 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey whats the delete command in Terminal? |
| 05:33.58 | Seth_Hikaru | is it del? |
| 05:34.02 | \amethyst | nsgn: you can't type . for example ? |
| 05:34.08 | nsgn | \amethyst: i can type . |
| 05:34.14 | nsgn | but not !@#$%^&*() |
| 05:34.15 | \amethyst | nsgn: but not < ? |
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| 05:34.20 | paulfm | hi all |
| 05:34.34 | nsgn | \amethyst: correct. none that require shift |
| 05:34.37 | nsgn | it's an issue with the shift key |
| 05:34.38 | paolwon | using kquickshow at the moment. any slideshow viewer with selections for transfer style? |
| 05:34.39 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: uh no |
| 05:34.43 | paulfm | how can I see what configure was used to build a binary in a deb |
| 05:34.44 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: rm, for remove |
| 05:34.45 | Seth_Hikaru | So what is it then? |
| 05:34.49 | bpun | Seth_Hikaru: ctrl-d ? |
| 05:34.49 | Seth_Hikaru | wow |
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| 05:35.07 | Seth_Hikaru | I can't believe I forgot that. |
| 05:35.09 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: man rm |
| 05:35.15 | Seth_Hikaru | wait? |
| 05:35.17 | Seth_Hikaru | man? |
| 05:35.33 | ferret_0567 | for manual |
| 05:35.47 | Seth_Hikaru | so for instance |
| 05:35.54 | Seth_Hikaru | #man rm /hp |
| 05:36.00 | Seth_Hikaru | is that correct? |
| 05:36.02 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: you must be new to Linux |
| 05:36.05 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: no |
| 05:36.05 | Seth_Hikaru | No. |
| 05:36.07 | \amethyst | nsgn: the thing is, ssh doesn't send "shift + ." |
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| 05:36.13 | Seth_Hikaru | Not totally. |
| 05:36.23 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: Linux uses - and -- for switches |
| 05:36.27 | \amethyst | nsgn: err, I mean, it's the terminal's responsibility to turn shift + . into > |
| 05:36.31 | Seth_Hikaru | I know. |
| 05:36.35 | Seth_Hikaru | rm -r |
| 05:36.38 | Seth_Hikaru | am rm -rf |
| 05:36.42 | Seth_Hikaru | which one |
| 05:36.46 | nsgn | \amethyst: this still doesn't explain why it works on all my freebsd and macosx boxes |
| 05:36.50 | nsgn | but not this one debian one |
| 05:36.54 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: then why in the work did you put /hp at the end? |
| 05:36.59 | paulfm | has anyone gotten mpg123 > v1.0 to work on debian |
| 05:37.09 | Seth_Hikaru | because I am deleting a directory. |
| 05:37.11 | bpun | nsgn: just for terminal(not vnc), try using export TERM=vt100 |
| 05:37.12 | nsgn | \amethyst: also doesn't explain why it is having the same issue when i VNC into the GUI and try using gedit to work with the file |
| 05:37.22 | \amethyst | nsgn: no it doesn't |
| 05:37.35 | paolwon | using kquickshow at the moment. any full-screen slideshow viewer with selections for transfer style? |
| 05:37.39 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: oh yeah... |
| 05:37.49 | \amethyst | nsgn: so sshing from this same machine, in the same terminal emulator, to a different machine works fine? |
| 05:37.54 | ferret_0567 | I thought that was a cmd.exe switch hahah |
| 05:37.55 | nsgn | \amethyst: i literally just need to add a few lines of code and i'll be all golden with the purpose i set up this box for |
| 05:38.01 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: rm -r |
| 05:38.03 | Seth_Hikaru | so what would I type (btw I don't remember all my bash commands yet) |
| 05:38.04 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 05:38.09 | nsgn | \amethyst: it's in a VM, so it has no real keyboard |
| 05:38.17 | nsgn | so i cant test that effectively |
| 05:38.24 | Seth_Hikaru | so #rm -r /hp (correct?) |
| 05:38.31 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: yes |
| 05:38.36 | \amethyst | nsgn: I mean, from the Mac you're sitting at to another computer |
| 05:38.36 | nsgn | i'm wondering if i told it a funny keyboard layout, or if i can change the keyboard layout |
| 05:38.38 | Seth_Hikaru | ok thanks |
| 05:38.40 | ferret_0567 | ferret_0567: as long as your sure you want to delete it |
| 05:38.48 | nsgn | \amethyst: oh yes from this mac i administrate all 8 of my VMs |
| 05:39.00 | nsgn | which are in all flavors of windows, freebsd, mac and linux |
| 05:39.01 | Seth_Hikaru | ok its not doing it. |
| 05:39.09 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: why not? |
| 05:39.11 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, what does echo $TERM output? |
| 05:39.17 | ferret_0567 | if your root it should do it |
| 05:39.21 | Seth_Hikaru | hey |
| 05:39.22 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: whoami |
| 05:39.23 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: i cant type it.... |
| 05:39.25 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: try that |
| 05:39.26 | nsgn | it has a $ in it |
| 05:39.36 | \amethyst | copy and paste from another program |
| 05:39.36 | pl4yer0ne | ah haha yeah of course |
| 05:39.41 | Seth_Hikaru | what the hell nothing was sending for a second there |
| 05:39.57 | Seth_Hikaru | whoami |
| 05:40.02 | Seth_Hikaru | wait |
| 05:40.06 | nsgn | \amethyst: i'd like to discover how to make this work. i will want future coding to not involve copying and pasting all punctuation |
| 05:40.09 | Seth_Hikaru | wrong keyboard |
| 05:40.11 | Seth_Hikaru | haha |
| 05:40.18 | nsgn | if i have to do that i'd rather just dump debian |
| 05:40.19 | Seth_Hikaru | sucks when you do that |
| 05:40.25 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: wrong keyboard? which keyboard where you using? |
| 05:40.30 | pl4yer0ne | yeah nsgn does highlight+paste work for those chars? |
| 05:40.38 | Seth_Hikaru | i have two computers side by side |
| 05:40.43 | \amethyst | nsgn: have you tried a different terminal emulator on the Mac ? |
| 05:40.44 | Seth_Hikaru | monitor to monitot |
| 05:40.55 | Seth_Hikaru | monitor* |
| 05:41.02 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: maybe try iTerm |
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| 05:41.11 | nsgn | \amethyst: i'm not interested in a different terminal. i'm using apple's standard one that i've had no problem using with every computer i've administered ever |
| 05:41.18 | nsgn | this is something with debian or how i set it up |
| 05:41.22 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: what? you have two computers hooked up to two different monitors on the same desk? |
| 05:41.31 | \amethyst | nsgn: have you not heard of troubleshooting? |
| 05:41.32 | nsgn | i can type punctuation into other computers all day long via SSH in apple's terminal |
| 05:41.35 | Seth_Hikaru | no |
| 05:41.45 | Seth_Hikaru | one computer here which is my xp box |
| 05:41.47 | nsgn | \amethyst: i have...i'm just really confident the terminal is not the issue |
| 05:41.58 | Seth_Hikaru | the one beside this one is Debian |
| 05:41.59 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, how about setting TERM to xterm |
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| 05:42.08 | Seth_Hikaru | seperate monitor keyboard and mouse |
| 05:42.12 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: so the xp box is a laptop then? |
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| 05:42.15 | Seth_Hikaru | no |
| 05:42.21 | Seth_Hikaru | both desktop |
| 05:42.21 | ferret_0567 | ok then... |
| 05:42.35 | nsgn | \amethyst: but if you are confident somehow that apple's terminal is incompatible with only debian, i can try iTerm |
| 05:42.42 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: try whoami on the debian box and tell me what it says |
| 05:42.45 | nsgn | but it works with ubuntu and everything else under the sun |
| 05:42.47 | Seth_Hikaru | i just dont haroot |
| 05:42.49 | Seth_Hikaru | root |
| 05:43.01 | Seth_Hikaru | ignore what i said before root |
| 05:43.09 | bpun | nsgn: u can't paste? |
| 05:43.32 | \amethyst | nsgn: I am not confident of that, but it's worth testing |
| 05:43.44 | nsgn | for the record, copying the punctuation locally and pasting it into the terminal sends the correct char |
| 05:43.46 | \amethyst | nsgn: or sshing from another computer to the debian box |
| 05:43.50 | Seth_Hikaru | ferret_0567: root |
| 05:43.54 | nsgn | but i dont want to copy and paste all my punctuation forever :) |
| 05:43.58 | \amethyst | nsgn: then it has to be a terminal problem |
| 05:44.04 | nsgn | \amethyst: i can do that. let me ssh to it from ubuntu |
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| 05:44.18 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: what does rm say when you try to remove this directory? |
| 05:44.19 | \amethyst | nsgn: because pasting a $ into a terminal vs typing it should send exactly the same data over ssh |
| 05:44.30 | Seth_Hikaru | no such file or directory |
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| 05:44.38 | Seth_Hikaru | but /hp is in /etc/hp |
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| 05:44.51 | homecable | can any one tell me if my site loads http://joey.ath.cx |
| 05:44.56 | \amethyst | nsgn: perhaps somehow Debian is putting the terminal into a strange mode that causes it to ignore shift? |
| 05:44.59 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: then there is not a symlink from /hp to /etc/hp |
| 05:45.01 | Seth_Hikaru | so do I have to use rm -r /etc/hp instead? |
| 05:45.04 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: it's as simple as that |
| 05:45.08 | bpun | nsgn, when u return to work tomorrow morning, try pasting echo $TERM and try using another export TERM=(xterm or vt100).. and see if chars show up properly |
| 05:45.11 | nsgn | \amethyst: i have no clue. shift doesn't work over VNC either |
| 05:45.12 | Seth_Hikaru | what? |
| 05:45.18 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: absolutely |
| 05:45.26 | Seth_Hikaru | what? |
| 05:45.31 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm confused now. |
| 05:45.32 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: do you know what a symlink is? |
| 05:45.34 | nsgn | i'm trying to test it from another computer, ubuntu, but it's not responding to my pings right now -_- |
| 05:45.37 | \amethyst | nsgn: that is probably a different issue, since VNC and ssh work very differently |
| 05:45.38 | Seth_Hikaru | no/ |
| 05:45.39 | nsgn | now i gotta figure out why it went down |
| 05:45.53 | nsgn | \amethyst: yet somehow related...since no other computer has issues taking shift from VNC here either |
| 05:45.54 | \amethyst | nsgn: I'm not saying ssh from the mac to ubuntu to Linux |
| 05:45.58 | \amethyst | s/Linux/Debian/ |
| 05:46.08 | nsgn | \amethyst: i'm going to VNC to ubuntu |
| 05:46.11 | Seth_Hikaru | ferret_0567: no |
| 05:46.13 | nsgn | and then ssh to debian |
| 05:46.13 | \amethyst | ah, that would work |
| 05:46.17 | nsgn | ubuntu is in a VM too |
| 05:46.17 | homecable | does my site load ? |
| 05:46.24 | nsgn | the mac is the only stand alone machine at this desk |
| 05:46.27 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: a symlink is a kind of pointer from one file to another |
| 05:46.35 | nsgn | there's a VMware server in the closet with everything in the world on it though |
| 05:46.41 | Seth_Hikaru | i see and that means what? |
| 05:46.49 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: so, with a symlink from /hp to /etc/hp, /hp accesses /etc/hp transparently |
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| 05:47.05 | Seth_Hikaru | so i should put what in Terminal? |
| 05:47.17 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: rm -r /etc/hp |
| 05:47.19 | pl4yer0ne | cargo ship? |
| 05:47.20 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 05:47.20 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: problem solved |
| 05:47.21 | Supaplex | eiwoaiwehaoiwheoaiwe NARF |
| 05:47.38 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: I just wanted you to know what a symlink is: you can create one with ln -s |
| 05:47.42 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: try man ln |
| 05:47.49 | nsgn | ok what the heck |
| 05:47.53 | nsgn | now i cant type punctuation to ubuntu |
| 05:47.55 | nsgn | via VNC |
| 05:48.01 | nsgn | something is screwing up on this mac |
| 05:48.08 | bpun | ignores homecable << (posts porn links) |
| 05:48.09 | nsgn | the timing made me blame it on debian |
| 05:48.10 | Seth_Hikaru | yeah it says it doesn't exist for some reason |
| 05:48.15 | bpun | ban homecable.. posting porn links |
| 05:48.15 | newsense | gives ferret_0567 props for trying to give a good lesson and not just a recipe |
| 05:48.16 | nsgn | what the heckkkk |
| 05:48.19 | Seth_Hikaru | but i deleted in package manager |
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| 05:48.26 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, thats what WE said |
| 05:48.29 | Seth_Hikaru | so that might have something to do with it |
| 05:48.41 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: the timing was such that this used to work, then i connected to debian, and it didnt |
| 05:48.56 | \amethyst | nsgn: hm, maybe soemthing turned on one of the accessibility features that makes it so you have to hold down shift to get it to work? |
| 05:49.06 | nsgn | so let me go see what the heck screwed around my local keyboard stuff. this thing is tested with all kinds of crap so who knows what got changed |
| 05:49.09 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: yeah, unless the config files where modified by you or a program, the package manager will delete the config files as well, usually |
| 05:49.12 | nsgn | its really an abused install :) |
| 05:49.18 | bpun | ferret_0567: a symlink for what app? |
| 05:49.25 | Seth_Hikaru | ferret_0567: I am unable to get into me samba folder. |
| 05:49.48 | Seth_Hikaru | ferret_0567: Apparently I don't have permissions even though this is my computer. |
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| 05:50.21 | Seth_Hikaru | ferret_0567: I need to edit the config file so samba works. |
| 05:50.33 | pl4yer0ne | Seth_Hikaru, you got some learnin' to do boy |
| 05:50.44 | Seth_Hikaru | O rlly!? |
| 05:50.46 | bpun | nsgn: if u would take 2 steps.. ur problem would be 2^<typing in the channel about ur problems> |
| 05:51.06 | homecable | why does my page go to google.com ? |
| 05:51.14 | pl4yer0ne | On a Linux computer there are different levels of users, the "super user" or "root" has access to everything |
| 05:51.19 | Seth_Hikaru | because thats your home page |
| 05:51.35 | pl4yer0ne | your normal user will not by default be able to change critical files ie: samba config |
| 05:51.37 | Seth_Hikaru | homecable: Thats your home page. |
| 05:51.42 | homecable | my page is a blank page |
| 05:51.50 | nsgn | i'm having a difficult time nailing down why i cant seem to get the shift key to read correctly to linux installs via SSH or VNC. i've tested right now and MacOSX and Windows remote machines still respect shift |
| 05:51.58 | nsgn | so it's linux not reading this shift key |
| 05:52.01 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: you should never use your machine as the root user most of the time |
| 05:52.09 | bpun | nsgn, ur annoying.. why not rtfm? |
| 05:52.31 | Seth_Hikaru | ferret_0567: I ned to modify critical system components so I have to run as root. |
| 05:52.32 | coppercore | oh boy here we go with the rtfm flaming |
| 05:52.40 | bpun | obviously he's not listening to other's giving solutions |
| 05:52.45 | pl4yer0ne | bpun why not RTFC and see that we have been discussing their problems for a while now. |
| 05:52.58 | nsgn | bpun: i was discussing this with the others who were giving legit input. thanks for your constructive ideas though |
| 05:53.25 | bpun | well i have a mac.. and dont have a problem with terminals.. only 1 person in the universe has a mac and that's nsgn |
| 05:53.32 | bpun | but i'm done . |
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| 05:53.43 | nsgn | that made a crap load of sense |
| 05:53.59 | nsgn | he can't count to two |
| 05:53.59 | pl4yer0ne | ok so apparently that guy is a wierdo |
| 05:54.03 | nsgn | anyhow |
| 05:54.04 | Seth_Hikaru | Because you didn't listen that why, it made perfect sense to me. |
| 05:54.09 | Seth_Hikaru | thats* |
| 05:54.45 | Seth_Hikaru | Wait who was helping who first of all anyway? |
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| 05:54.56 | Seth_Hikaru | bpun > nsgn? |
| 05:55.07 | Seth_Hikaru | or otherway around? |
| 05:55.14 | nsgn | i wasnt talking to him at all |
| 05:55.19 | nsgn | i was talking to \amethyst and pl4yer0ne |
| 05:55.20 | Seth_Hikaru | oh. |
| 05:55.29 | nsgn | bpun just felt like coming by and saying we were all stupid |
| 05:55.36 | nsgn | then leaving before we could turn it back on him :) |
| 05:55.50 | ferret_0567 | flames bpun |
| 05:55.53 | Seth_Hikaru | well then that sentence was meant t bash you sorry about that I didn't meant o bash you. |
| 05:55.58 | ferret_0567 | tells bpun that he can't even count to two |
| 05:56.07 | Seth_Hikaru | I can count to two |
| 05:56.08 | Seth_Hikaru | 00 |
| 05:56.09 | Seth_Hikaru | 01 |
| 05:56.11 | Seth_Hikaru | 10 |
| 05:56.12 | nsgn | the issue was confusing at first because i believed the issue to be with debian. now it seems that it is actually generalized to getting the shift key from the mac across to linux |
| 05:56.19 | nsgn | while it somehow works to windows and others remotely |
| 05:56.28 | nsgn | no issues with freebsd |
| 05:56.34 | nsgn | but linux is reading the shift key oddly |
| 05:56.52 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, can you ssh with verbose turned on and see if anything interesting shows? |
| 05:56.54 | Seth_Hikaru | Probably something to do with a keyboard map maybe? |
| 05:56.58 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: sure |
| 05:57.01 | ferret_0567 | how can I remount / as read-only in single user mode? |
| 05:57.06 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: one moment |
| 05:57.27 | Seth_Hikaru | ferret_0567: How do I access the samba folder anyway? |
| 05:57.33 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: use nautilus |
| 05:57.34 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: a variety of output. what are we looking for? |
| 05:57.38 | Seth_Hikaru | Um. |
| 05:57.47 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: it's GNOME's file manager |
| 05:57.49 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 05:58.05 | Seth_Hikaru | I don't think its installed. |
| 05:58.24 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: oh, what desktop environment are you using now? KDE? |
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| 05:58.33 | Seth_Hikaru | no it is |
| 05:58.36 | Seth_Hikaru | GNOME |
| 05:58.38 | ferret_0567 | oh |
| 05:58.39 | Seth_Hikaru | hate kde |
| 05:58.42 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: it put out about a page of output before connecting, but nothing seemingly wrong, and nothing relating to keyboard mapping or anything |
| 05:58.52 | nsgn | just protocols shaking hands, determining authentication method, etc |
| 05:58.52 | ferret_0567 | ok, go to the Places menu, click on Computer, then Network |
| 05:58.58 | ferret_0567 | it should show up in there |
| 05:58.59 | Seth_Hikaru | kk |
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| 05:59.07 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: diff it with ssh -v <freebsd box> |
| 05:59.19 | nsgn | ferret_0567: alright |
| 05:59.32 | pl4yer0ne | try turning debug up (on mine you just add extra v's like -vvv) it hopefully will show some environment vars |
| 05:59.40 | Seth_Hikaru | ferret_0567: That does nothing. |
| 05:59.43 | ferret_0567 | pl4yer0ne: excellent tip |
| 05:59.52 | ferret_0567 | I forgot about that |
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| 06:00.10 | nsgn | ferret_0567: looks very similar, just slightly different protocol versions |
| 06:00.15 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: ok then |
| 06:00.23 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: now try the -vvv |
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| 06:00.37 | \amethyst | nsgn: are you sshing to anything but Linux? |
| 06:00.49 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: and where did you get your mac from? I want one so bad |
| 06:00.49 | nsgn | \amethyst: yes. windows, freebsd, macosx |
| 06:01.00 | nsgn | ferret_0567: ....the apple store? |
| 06:01.04 | Seth_Hikaru | well ferret_0567: That does nothing but direct me to server on server |
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| 06:01.39 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: that's fine |
| 06:01.41 | Seth_Hikaru | Why are you guys so fancy? I'm using my Apple II still. |
| 06:01.46 | nsgn | \amethyst: issue doesn't affect win/bsd/mac remote machines. but linux ubuntu/debian it does |
| 06:01.57 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: if you see your share on your local machine in there, try to access it |
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| 06:02.07 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: if it works, you don't have to change a thing |
| 06:02.11 | Seth_Hikaru | um I just see a blank screen |
| 06:02.36 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, I reckon that the mac session is sending a variable or something that linux is wigging out on, that the other systems dont recognise. |
| 06:02.48 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: ok, so read man smb.conf |
| 06:02.54 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: add it in there |
| 06:02.56 | Seth_Hikaru | How? |
| 06:02.57 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: i'm guessing so...i just dont know what to do about it |
| 06:03.01 | \amethyst | pl4yer0ne: the weird thing is, pasting $ works but typing it does not |
| 06:03.17 | pl4yer0ne | yeah pretty wierd |
| 06:03.22 | Seth_Hikaru | Well I click Network and I get SERVER and Windows Network in another window. |
| 06:03.22 | nsgn | yeah. it's not that the character code is wrong...its somehow that the shift key isnt making the leap |
| 06:03.38 | pl4yer0ne | have you tried using like the -other- shift key? |
| 06:03.38 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: it's pretty easy...just go edit /etc/smb.conf with e.g. Alt+F2, then enter in "gksudo gedit" (without the quotes), press enter |
| 06:03.44 | Seth_Hikaru | So I click SERVER and nothing shows up on that windows |
| 06:03.50 | Seth_Hikaru | oh |
| 06:03.53 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: i actually thought of that pretty quick, and same result. acts as if no shift key is held |
| 06:04.00 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: try Windows network |
| 06:04.06 | heroxbd | Hello. The kernel in Sid linux-image-2.6.26.1 seems not supporting intel 82567 ethernet adapter (e1000e.ko). After googling, there seems to be a severe bug. But I can't find on bugs.debian.org how this is handled. What is the suggested way now to use sid on such a box with intel 82567 through e1000e? |
| 06:04.12 | pl4yer0ne | do capitals work? |
| 06:04.12 | Seth_Hikaru | workgroup |
| 06:04.25 | ferret_0567 | click on that |
| 06:04.30 | Seth_Hikaru | then SERVER in there |
| 06:04.34 | ferret_0567 | click |
| 06:04.39 | Seth_Hikaru | and then nothing there |
| 06:04.44 | ferret_0567 | ok then |
| 06:04.46 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: good question. i think they do. let me try |
| 06:04.47 | dmoerner | heroxbd: i see it in kernel/drivers/net/e1000e/e1000e.ko. what are you talking about? |
| 06:04.53 | blxd | any idea how to get decent fonts w/ debian apt-get |
| 06:04.56 | \amethyst | nsgn: the reason I think this problem is with the terminal, and the VNC thing is a different issue, is that shift + 4 => $ should be handled by the terminal |
| 06:05.00 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: good thinking. capitals DO work |
| 06:05.06 | \amethyst | hm |
| 06:05.08 | Seth_Hikaru | God I wish I would have been raised equally on Windows and Linux! |
| 06:05.17 | pl4yer0ne | ok so its some totally frikken wierd thing with symbols |
| 06:05.26 | nsgn | Seth_Hikaru: i agree |
| 06:05.29 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: proceed to read "man smb.conf" to figure out what to add to /etc/smb.conf |
| 06:05.31 | heroxbd | dmoerner: that module shipped with debian can not behave correctly. |
| 06:05.34 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 06:05.35 | \amethyst | nsgn: hm, what does stty -a say when sshed from mac to Linux? |
| 06:05.51 | nsgn | \amethyst: not following. syntax? |
| 06:05.52 | dmoerner | heroxbd: you mean bug 497392 or something else |
| 06:05.57 | \amethyst | nsgn: stty -a |
| 06:05.57 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, can you see the logs on the debian vm? so you can have a look at syslog etc |
| 06:06.13 | \amethyst | nsgn: hm, that might be a bit too much output |
| 06:06.19 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: you might also be able to use a GUI utility to add the SMB share |
| 06:06.22 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: i have access to whatever |
| 06:06.25 | heroxbd | dmoerner: I am reading that bug report now. |
| 06:06.28 | Seth_Hikaru | which is where? |
| 06:06.36 | \amethyst | nsgn: hm, if you ssh from mac to bsd then from BSD to Linux, what happens? |
| 06:06.39 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: i admin this whole VMware server, so i'm not just a user of the debian box |
| 06:06.54 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: the GUI utility might be in System -> Administration |
| 06:07.05 | nsgn | \amethyst: was gonna test going from ubuntu to debian, but ubuntu is effected too |
| 06:07.11 | Seth_Hikaru | Oh been ther... what the hell its gne |
| 06:07.17 | Seth_Hikaru | I did it once and now its gone |
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| 06:07.24 | Seth_Hikaru | hmm maybe i forgot something |
| 06:07.30 | pl4yer0ne | ok login and then check in /var/logs/ and have a look at anything that has a recent timestamp (ls -lat to sort by time) |
| 06:07.31 | Seth_Hikaru | well that would be why I guess |
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| 06:07.59 | Seth_Hikaru | ferret_0567: Do you mind if I pm you? |
| 06:08.07 | heroxbd | dmoerner: Yes. I am afraid it is the bug I am suffering.. |
| 06:08.08 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: sure |
| 06:08.17 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: I'm really ticked off about my own problem though |
| 06:08.37 | ferret_0567 | HOW do I remount / read-only in single user mode? |
| 06:08.52 | ferret_0567 | Seth_Hikaru: but sure, go ahead |
| 06:09.06 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: \amethyst: ok. weirdness. apparently this happens systemwide to both ubuntu and debian when using VNC |
| 06:09.06 | nsgn | BUT |
| 06:09.11 | nsgn | only in pico via ssh |
| 06:09.19 | nsgn | i just thought to stop trying to type $ inside pico |
| 06:09.27 | nsgn | i can type characters all day long via ssh at the command line |
| 06:09.29 | nsgn | but not into pico |
| 06:09.33 | \amethyst | hm |
| 06:09.43 | \amethyst | what about, say, vi ? |
| 06:09.53 | \amethyst | or even cat |
| 06:10.06 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, hold up I may have come across this before. |
| 06:10.19 | nsgn | but in VNC |
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| 06:10.23 | nsgn | i can type capitals |
| 06:10.26 | nsgn | but NOT punctuation |
| 06:10.27 | nsgn | good god |
| 06:10.51 | nsgn | additionally the backspace key is acting as a "delete" key in pico via SSH |
| 06:10.59 | nsgn | which may be even more harmful |
| 06:11.09 | nsgn | but at the command prompt via SSH it acts as backspace |
| 06:11.47 | pl4yer0ne | yeah its GOT to be some strange term incompatibility |
| 06:11.53 | nsgn | but what of VNC? |
| 06:12.05 | pl4yer0ne | what are you VNC'ing to? |
| 06:12.10 | \amethyst | term incompatibility explains backspace acting as delete |
| 06:12.11 | nsgn | the debian box.. |
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| 06:12.19 | pl4yer0ne | to an X desktop? |
| 06:12.21 | \amethyst | VNC I suspect is some kind of keyboard layout issue |
| 06:12.24 | nsgn | yeah, just default |
| 06:12.29 | \amethyst | the confusing thing is why pico is having problems |
| 06:12.38 | nsgn | \amethyst: exactly |
| 06:12.39 | \amethyst | err, why pico is having problems with shift |
| 06:12.41 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 06:12.45 | nsgn | i can type punctuation at the prompt, but in pico no go |
| 06:13.03 | \amethyst | nsgn: what about in other full-screen programs like vi or emacs? |
| 06:13.03 | nsgn | backspace is also only a problem in pico |
| 06:13.05 | nsgn | trying VI |
| 06:13.16 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, try different combo's of meta char to act as shift... as in try usi8ng the apple key and alt and stuff |
| 06:13.54 | pl4yer0ne | see if you can get it to work on any of those, I have seen soemthing before with a apple keyboard being read wrongly |
| 06:14.04 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: i tried all i could think of |
| 06:14.05 | nsgn | no go |
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| 06:14.26 | nsgn | as for VI, i'm horribly rusty in it cause i vastly prefer pico. syntax for opening read write? |
| 06:14.33 | nsgn | vi filename.x opens read only |
| 06:14.40 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: try vim |
| 06:14.43 | \amethyst | err |
| 06:14.45 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: it's so much better |
| 06:14.52 | nsgn | oh wait, it may actually just be my permissions on the file |
| 06:14.53 | nsgn | hang on |
| 06:15.05 | nsgn | nope |
| 06:15.08 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, it totally will be just perms |
| 06:15.15 | \amethyst | vim newfile gives you read-only mode? |
| 06:15.20 | \amethyst | err, vi newfile |
| 06:15.27 | pl4yer0ne | wtf? well vi doesnt open RO normally |
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| 06:15.29 | nsgn | \amethyst: oh no i was opening a file. trying newfile |
| 06:15.51 | nsgn | \amethyst: and in vim newfile, i can use punctuation |
| 06:15.53 | nsgn | the heck pico |
| 06:15.56 | nsgn | thanks for letting me down |
| 06:16.05 | \amethyst | I am still very confused |
| 06:16.06 | nsgn | and VNC is just sucking for the fun of it i guess |
| 06:16.07 | nsgn | me too |
| 06:16.09 | nsgn | my gosh |
| 06:16.22 | \amethyst | I don't know what the hell pico is doing that it wouldn't understand punctuation |
| 06:16.37 | \amethyst | maybe try nano ? |
| 06:17.18 | nsgn | just did before you said that |
| 06:17.18 | nsgn | and |
| 06:17.19 | nsgn | it work |
| 06:17.19 | \amethyst | it's the GNU pico clone. Unless your pico *is* nano, in which case it probably won't change anything |
| 06:17.20 | nsgn | s |
| 06:17.22 | \amethyst | hm |
| 06:17.26 | nsgn | so....pico is screwing up |
| 06:17.37 | nsgn | and VNC is simultaneously screwing up for no reason |
| 06:17.44 | nsgn | in nano the backspace/delete keys are still backwards |
| 06:17.47 | nsgn | but i can type punctuation |
| 06:18.20 | \amethyst | backspace vs delete is a pretty common screwup, because some terminals send ^H for backspace and some send ^?; and some programs expect one or the other |
| 06:18.26 | nsgn | yup |
| 06:18.33 | nsgn | any quick ways to flip that around? |
| 06:18.36 | \amethyst | what is your $TERM ? |
| 06:18.53 | nsgn | xterm-color |
| 06:19.01 | nsgn | but apple offers me a variety of options |
| 06:19.27 | nsgn | also what is linux's default character encoding? |
| 06:19.30 | zinx | sighs at terminal emulator makers that don't understand what the TERM is for |
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| 06:19.59 | zinx | nsgn: there isn't one. depending on Debian version it's either UTF-8 or ISO-8859-15 or ISO-8859-1 |
| 06:20.02 | nsgn | ok |
| 06:20.06 | nsgn | mother of all wtfs |
| 06:20.11 | nsgn | i just opened pico |
| 06:20.14 | nsgn | and i can type punctuation |
| 06:20.22 | \amethyst | did you change anything? |
| 06:20.34 | nsgn | no! |
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| 06:20.46 | \amethyst | same instance of the terminal? |
| 06:20.52 | nsgn | yes, actually! |
| 06:20.55 | nsgn | same SSH session |
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| 06:21.07 | \amethyst | hm |
| 06:21.09 | nsgn | what the hell |
| 06:21.23 | nsgn | of interest, VNC is still not working with punctuation |
| 06:21.33 | nsgn | and backspace is still delete in all text editors |
| 06:21.42 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: no, vim newfile does not give you ro mode |
| 06:21.52 | dragonfly | anyone have experience changing the email address on a debian server? I'm having a few issues and must not be using the right keywords in Google |
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| 06:23.03 | nsgn | \amethyst: apple's terminal offers me the option to "declare terminal as...". what should i declare as? currently it's xterm-color |
| 06:23.03 | nsgn | might another fix my backspace issue? |
| 06:23.13 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, try something plainer like xterm or vt100 |
| 06:24.29 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: bingo, vt100 gets me correct backspace |
| 06:24.34 | nsgn | and i have punctuation |
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| 06:24.44 | nsgn | well VNC can screw itself, i'm good enough with working SSH access |
| 06:24.54 | nsgn | i'm still not quite sure what we did to fix punctuation, but thank you all |
| 06:25.23 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, Just take it a win and quietly walk away from the haunted mac |
| 06:26.13 | dragonfly | how do I get courier to send an auto reply message to anyone who sends an email to a particular address? |
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| 06:27.26 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: hah, i've got my ups and downs with macos |
| 06:27.43 | nsgn | the usability and performance are beautiful, but the isolation hurts a bit |
| 06:28.10 | pl4yer0ne | dragonfly, check out the courier doco here http://www.courier-mta.org/maildropfilter.html |
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| 06:32.42 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: Isolation? What do you mean? |
| 06:32.55 | dragonfly | pl4yer0ne, thanks, but I've looked at that, the mailbot, maildrop, courierfilter, and a couple other pages on that site and just cant seem to make any sense of it |
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| 06:33.38 | pl4yer0ne | ok hang on a sec and i'll sort you out with some examples |
| 06:33.44 | nsgn | ferret_0567: a closed hardware platform. third party software development is open and well encouraged, but hardware is limiting. the OS is also closed source |
| 06:34.12 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: not the core of it |
| 06:34.16 | dragonfly | excellent, but before jumping into the examples, let's go over what needs to be done |
| 06:34.39 | nsgn | ferret_0567: i'm aware. but the OS as a whole is. that doesnt bug me though. my main issue is their very closed stance on hardware |
| 06:34.55 | nsgn | if apple doesnt want you to have a hardware feature, you aren't getting it |
| 06:35.04 | nsgn | not in any smooth way |
| 06:35.09 | ferret_0567 | yeah that pisses me off |
| 06:35.26 | nsgn | it's sad to pay $1000 for a laptop that has no firewire, 3G, or bluray |
| 06:35.31 | tomodachi | if apple doesent want you have a a hardware feature, you dont need it! |
| 06:35.32 | tomodachi | like modems |
| 06:35.32 | nsgn | and no internal option for any of those |
| 06:35.37 | tomodachi | :) |
| 06:35.40 | dragonfly | from something i was reading somewhere (I think in the mailbot) , I've created a plaintext file that contains what I would want in the body of the reply....I think what I need to do now is create a filter or something of somesort to trigger mailbot to do it's thing when a message comes for that email address...is that correct? |
| 06:35.44 | pl4yer0ne | dragonfly, nothing extra should be need to be done - if your mail server is working and you use courier + maildrop |
| 06:35.59 | pl4yer0ne | yeah that trigger is what i'll show you |
| 06:36.24 | nsgn | basically i use macs for the OS. it's beautiful and by far the one i work the most efficiently in. crazy efficient, but a unix shell a key command away at any time |
| 06:36.30 | nsgn | the hardware just ticks me off |
| 06:37.13 | dragonfly | ok |
| 06:37.32 | Seth_Hikaru | is away: I'm doing stuff. |
| 06:37.48 | Seth_Hikaru | Sorry I forgot to get rid of that. |
| 06:37.50 | Seth_Hikaru | I'll do it tomorrow. |
| 06:38.10 | pl4yer0ne | dragonfly, http://pastebin.com/m6eb4e574 |
| 06:38.17 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: I need to get a Hackintosh |
| 06:38.24 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: you do too |
| 06:38.29 | tomodachi | nsgn: i think its ok but i mainly use it for the hw |
| 06:38.32 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: then we will show apple who's boss |
| 06:38.32 | nsgn | ferret_0567: have multiple |
| 06:38.34 | pl4yer0ne | check that out and compare it to the scripting language from mailbot etc and you can edit it to your needs |
| 06:38.36 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: :( |
| 06:38.37 | tomodachi | nsgn: use linux when i have it on my desk |
| 06:38.46 | tomodachi | and macosx when im on the move for the powermanagement features |
| 06:38.47 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: I want one of your hackintoshes |
| 06:38.55 | nsgn | ferret_0567: they are cheap and easy to build |
| 06:38.59 | nsgn | and it's pretty stable |
| 06:39.01 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: how much? |
| 06:39.01 | nsgn | almost a perfect machine |
| 06:39.08 | nsgn | but i compute mobile 90% of the time |
| 06:39.17 | nsgn | and hacintosh on laptops sucks |
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| 06:39.31 | shyam_k | hi where can i find the svn url to debian release notes repo? |
| 06:39.38 | pl4yer0ne | dragonfly, the file is just called .mailfilter and placed in the users home dir, maildrop reads it and acts accordingly |
| 06:40.50 | nsgn | ferret_0567: for around $500 i built a Core 2 Duo with 2GB ram, some HD nvidia card, 160gb SATA hdd, intel motherboard picked to be compatible for audio and lan |
| 06:41.22 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: wow |
| 06:41.40 | nsgn | ferret_0567: but i run a tech shop for a living |
| 06:41.51 | nsgn | so matching and obtaining the proper hardware affordably was nothing |
| 06:41.58 | dragonfly | what if I want to use this for an email address that no longer exists? Example: email address used to be xyz@example.com I've changed it to zyx@example.com and set in /etc/courier/aliases to forward to the new address...now I want to set an autoreply alerting anyone who sends a message to the old address of the change |
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| 06:42.06 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: all I need is the motherboard and cpu for my machine |
| 06:42.12 | nsgn | ferret_0567: my main hackintosh currently runs my media center |
| 06:42.13 | shyam_k | we are trying for translation of the release notes.. |
| 06:42.18 | nsgn | and i'm seriously considering switching it to ubuntu |
| 06:42.22 | ferret_0567 | nsgn: oh, and the ram |
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| 06:42.38 | nsgn | for the one reason that macosx has poor power management on PCs |
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| 06:42.50 | nsgn | and i am tired of it sitting there and running 24/7 cause it doesnt properly sleep |
| 06:42.57 | nsgn | i want it on demand, so i cant shut it off |
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| 06:43.01 | nsgn | but it wont sleep so it sucks power 24/7 |
| 06:43.33 | nsgn | under ubuntu i could let it sleep all but the hour or so a day i'm in front of the TV |
| 06:43.37 | ferret_0567 | I never sleep my computer |
| 06:43.54 | nsgn | i'm all about energy efficiency. my server never sleeps and nor does my laptop |
| 06:43.55 | ferret_0567 | I don't know how to make it sleep either |
| 06:43.57 | nsgn | but all other computers here do |
| 06:44.12 | ferret_0567 | I want to make it sleep tho |
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| 06:44.25 | ferret_0567 | will bbl |
| 06:46.45 | pl4yer0ne | dragonfly, this: http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/documentation.html and specifically this: http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/maildropex.html is where to read up on this filtering stuff. |
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| 06:49.05 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, hey I just realised your using a mac so you probably want to be charged a fee for help received? |
| 06:49.40 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: i am most definitely a fee paying stereotype |
| 06:49.45 | nsgn | hit me |
| 06:50.34 | pl4yer0ne | nah im most definitely a linux sysad stereotype and CBF |
| 06:51.09 | nsgn | i've used freebsd for a long time in many server capacities, but have recently been educating myself on linux distros and the underlying linux system itself |
| 06:51.13 | nsgn | i'm pleased |
| 06:51.22 | nsgn | just still much more comfortable on bsd |
| 06:51.25 | nsgn | i'll get there in time |
| 06:51.39 | nsgn | i'm already enjoying the broader support linux brings |
| 06:51.48 | pl4yer0ne | without trying to start a fight i find debian to be so much easier then freebsd |
| 06:51.48 | nsgn | hardware/software/community wise |
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| 06:51.56 | nsgn | no fight to be found here |
| 06:52.01 | nsgn | freebsd is certainly more difficult than debian |
| 06:52.15 | nsgn | i just learned server stuff on freebsd |
| 06:52.33 | nsgn | and by day end up doing a ton of windows/mac IT work for offices |
| 06:52.38 | nsgn | so i never was thrown into linux |
| 06:52.51 | pl4yer0ne | yeah its all pretty easy to translate across once you get the nack of what stuff is different across many platforms |
| 06:52.51 | nsgn | i'm beginning now to deploy it for some personal projects and see how i go fromthere |
| 06:53.01 | nsgn | yeah, its just learning the new placement of things, etc |
| 06:53.16 | nsgn | the freakin universe of distros didnt help either |
| 06:53.35 | nsgn | i'm enjoying ubuntu for full featured and debian for hacky/project/development type stuff |
| 06:53.43 | pl4yer0ne | haha stick with debian and centos you cant go wrong |
| 06:53.53 | nsgn | ah, i've actually done some centos work in the past |
| 06:53.56 | nsgn | havent touched it for a long time |
| 06:54.05 | nsgn | how does modern centos differ from modern debian? |
| 06:54.10 | nsgn | where is each strong? |
| 06:54.38 | pl4yer0ne | centos is sortof supported by default as its redhat in disguise |
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| 06:55.01 | pl4yer0ne | debian is more flexible (by a fscking mile) but is not supported |
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| 06:56.26 | ASrock | http://omploader.org/vMngx/snapshot9.png can anyone tell me where i can download a sidebar that shows system stats and stuff like in the pic on that page? |
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| 06:56.40 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: ah, ok |
| 06:56.53 | \amethyst | ASrock: does it have to be transparent? if not, gkrellm |
| 06:56.59 | nsgn | and heck yes, just got my home security system code ported over and working on debian |
| 06:56.59 | nsgn | :) |
| 06:57.04 | dragonfly | pl4yer0ne, not seeing it anywhere so I'm guessing no, but do I have to "restart" any thing (courier, or anything) after creating/changing a .mailfilter file? |
| 06:57.08 | nsgn | moving it from a mac |
| 06:57.10 | \amethyst | ASrock: I'm not sure what the specific one in that screenshot is |
| 06:57.11 | nsgn | it's up and running! |
| 06:57.28 | ASrock | well it doesnt have to be that exact one...but something like it? |
| 06:57.40 | nsgn | it runs a decent bit faster/more efficiently on debian |
| 06:57.49 | pl4yer0ne | dragonfly, no you shouldnt have to restart anything, next mail that gets delivered should be using the filter |
| 06:57.49 | ASrock | and it would be nice if it was transperent |
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| 06:58.06 | pl4yer0ne | nsgn, nice work mate! |
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| 06:58.19 | nsgn | yup yup. i'm proud of my little security setup |
| 06:58.37 | nsgn | a USB phidgets 16/16/0 I/O board taking input from all the zones |
| 06:58.49 | nsgn | a C program reading this input and writing it out to files |
| 06:59.14 | nsgn | and PHP on apache2 interpreting it and displaying it on a netbook in the kitchen running firefox fullscreen in ubuntu |
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| 06:59.27 | chakie_work | nsgn: i've been thinking about those too. which board? |
| 06:59.33 | pl4yer0ne | cool. |
| 06:59.34 | nsgn | 16/16/0 |
| 06:59.41 | nsgn | chakie_work: ^ |
| 07:00.01 | nsgn | chakie_work: today was the first time i tried using the phidgets SDK under linux |
| 07:00.04 | nsgn | previously was using it on macos |
| 07:00.05 | pl4yer0ne | anyway its time to get the hell out of here, see you guys. |
| 07:00.07 | nsgn | but it was a snap |
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| 07:00.11 | nsgn | pl4yer0ne: thanks! night! |
| 07:00.21 | pl4yer0ne | no worries |
| 07:00.23 | nsgn | compiled my same code on linux no issue |
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| 07:01.06 | nsgn | chakie_work: their stuff is a bit expensive compared to other options, but the ease of the SDK makes it worth it to those who aren't top notch programmers (that'd be me..) |
| 07:02.27 | chakie_work | nsgn: well, what's the use of cheap hw if the sdk isn't open or sucks? |
| 07:02.54 | nsgn | chakie_work: oh no there are others with open SDKs |
| 07:03.00 | nsgn | this one is just well supported and very easy to use |
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| 07:03.18 | nsgn | they also have a nice variety of interesting stuff like RFID and all that |
| 07:03.26 | nsgn | which you can use under the same SDK in the future |
| 07:03.30 | nsgn | analog sensors and everything |
| 07:03.41 | nsgn | its all marked up compared to bare components, but all works together easily |
| 07:04.03 | chakie_work | nsgn: yeah, the rfid things looked interesting |
| 07:04.04 | nsgn | and under linux works great |
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| 07:04.13 | nsgn | i wish they'd get into doing things via IP |
| 07:04.16 | nsgn | man that'd be sweet |
| 07:04.20 | chakie_work | heh |
| 07:04.26 | nsgn | a PoE IP RFID reader at the front door? hellll yeah |
| 07:04.32 | nsgn | i'd buy that in an instant and add it to my system |
| 07:05.12 | nsgn | too bad i suck at writing C |
| 07:05.32 | chakie_work | well, c sucks |
| 07:05.36 | nsgn | but the project has increased my understanding of it |
| 07:05.40 | chakie_work | but c++, that's something :) |
| 07:05.49 | nsgn | well, fortunately, phidgets supports a really nice variety |
| 07:05.56 | nsgn | *looks it up* |
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| 07:06.13 | nsgn | under linux, java, C/C++, Python |
| 07:06.40 | chakie_work | unfortunately i have a "few" projects in my backlog, so getting more hw for yet another isn't really a good option |
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| 07:06.48 | nsgn | under windows: vbscript, vb.net, vb6, vba, c#, labview, matlab, delphi, robotics studio, java, python, borland vc, flash, flex, max/msp |
| 07:06.56 | nsgn | their sdk is really nice :) |
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| 07:07.14 | chakie_work | nice |
| 07:07.17 | nsgn | i probably should go with python |
| 07:07.24 | chakie_work | meaning they want developers, developers, developers |
| 07:07.28 | nsgn | i hear it's easy and more practical than writing small C programs these days |
| 07:07.33 | chakie_work | -= the sweath |
| 07:07.34 | chakie_work | -h |
| 07:07.46 | chakie_work | python is very sexy |
| 07:07.52 | nsgn | i've not written a line of it |
| 07:07.55 | nsgn | nor do i know much about it |
| 07:08.00 | chakie_work | very easy to learn |
| 07:08.01 | nsgn | if you summarized it, what would you say? |
| 07:08.05 | nsgn | about it's overall purpose |
| 07:08.12 | nsgn | is it interpreted, compiled? |
| 07:08.12 | chakie_work | well |
| 07:08.18 | nsgn | what does it aim to do? |
| 07:08.21 | chakie_work | interpreted |
| 07:08.24 | nsgn | oo, i like that |
| 07:08.26 | nsgn | i come from PHP |
| 07:08.31 | chakie_work | it's a full programming language for about any task |
| 07:08.42 | chakie_work | similarish to php |
| 07:08.42 | nsgn | i am crazy experienced in PHP, so wrapping my brain around compiled C is hurting me |
| 07:08.53 | chakie_work | but leave out all the weird stuff |
| 07:08.54 | nsgn | which is why i have a security system running in PHP |
| 07:08.58 | nsgn | which actually works really well |
| 07:08.59 | chakie_work | add proper lists, hashes |
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| 07:09.04 | nsgn | hmm |
| 07:09.13 | chakie_work | nicer iterations, proper classes |
| 07:09.14 | nsgn | but is it designed for web or local operation? |
| 07:09.21 | chakie_work | a good standard library |
| 07:09.25 | nsgn | php is really nice, but it's rare to see it used locally like i am |
| 07:09.27 | chakie_work | well, both |
| 07:09.31 | chakie_work | there are web frameworks too |
| 07:09.32 | nsgn | php is pretty much a web thing |
| 07:09.39 | nsgn | but i dont do web dev anymore |
| 07:09.41 | chakie_work | django is python |
| 07:09.51 | nsgn | so for programming i'm interested in local code |
| 07:09.54 | nsgn | for projects like this security system |
| 07:10.03 | chakie_work | it was done for apps, not web stuff |
| 07:10.16 | nsgn | is it like writing a script that runs around in circles, or can it actually stand up like a nice program? |
| 07:10.28 | chakie_work | for that i'd say it could be quite ideal, especially if there's an api for python |
| 07:10.45 | chakie_work | python can make proper apps |
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| 07:10.59 | chakie_work | you can even compile them to native code with some tools, but i don't do that |
| 07:11.16 | chakie_work | i use the qt bindings to do ui:s |
| 07:11.45 | nsgn | hmm |
| 07:11.51 | nsgn | very interesting indeed |
| 07:11.54 | chakie_work | look through a few tutorials, if you know php you'll learn it fast |
| 07:12.02 | nsgn | but now a GCC/C question has arisen |
| 07:12.14 | chakie_work | http://python.org/doc/ |
| 07:12.17 | nsgn | i'm trying to build VMware Tools under debian so it will load in the kernel without error |
| 07:12.35 | nsgn | and i keep getting the error that the header files for the kernel dont match the kernel version |
| 07:12.52 | nsgn | where in the filesystem might i locate a header to compile against that matches my kernel? |
| 07:12.58 | chakie_work | could you have upgraded the kernel but not yet rebooted? |
| 07:13.02 | nsgn | nope |
| 07:13.06 | nsgn | just installed, havent upgraded |
| 07:13.13 | nsgn | where is the header located? |
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| 07:13.21 | chakie_work | /usr/src |
| 07:13.26 | nsgn | vmware's perl script wants it to be at /usr/src/linux/include |
| 07:13.30 | nsgn | but cant find it |
| 07:13.31 | chakie_work | /usr/src/linux is the traditional location |
| 07:13.39 | nsgn | oh, take off the linux? |
| 07:13.46 | chakie_work | what do you have there? |
| 07:14.06 | chakie_work | something like linux-headers-2.6.27-11/ ? |
| 07:14.10 | nsgn | linux-kbuild-2.6.18 |
| 07:14.18 | nsgn | then two other folders like you said |
| 07:14.19 | chakie_work | no idea what that is... |
| 07:14.21 | nsgn | but neither match |
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| 07:15.01 | chakie_work | ie no folder that matches the version from "uname -a"? |
| 07:15.32 | chakie_work | or rather, "uname -r" |
| 07:16.11 | nsgn | nope |
| 07:16.16 | nsgn | the two there don't match |
| 07:16.21 | nsgn | and were from me trying to download some |
| 07:16.50 | chakie_work | aha |
| 07:17.02 | chakie_work | there are packages for the headers that match your running kernel |
| 07:17.46 | nsgn | how can i get them? |
| 07:17.54 | nsgn | again, new to debian and relatively so to linux here |
| 07:18.46 | chakie_work | linux-headers-2.6.27-11 and linux-headers-2.6.27-11-generic for me |
| 07:19.05 | chakie_work | aptitude search linux-headers |
| 07:19.19 | chakie_work | see some package that matches "uname -r" |
| 07:20.43 | cads | I've currently got debian and ubuntu installed, and I am moving to the debian install so I can remove ubuntu. But back here in ubuntu I realize that i've really made a cozy little environment. I don't want to delete everything for fear of deleting a config I'll realize I want later.. so do you guys know of an intelligent way of migrating everything? |
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| 07:21.05 | cads | maybe a checklist I could use, or a way of backing up just configs, for future reference? |
| 07:21.17 | nsgn | chakie_work: ok, i'm on it. we'll see if this works |
| 07:21.25 | tomodachi | cads: if you took your /home/ and /etc/ you should cover most stuff |
| 07:22.31 | cads | aye |
| 07:23.04 | cads | I feel like something will bite me later, still |
| 07:23.14 | cads | hehe |
| 07:23.32 | cads | I'm thinking of all the packages I have installed and meant to play with but never had time :D |
| 07:23.33 | nsgn | chakie_work: ok i've downloaded it...do i need to run the makefile? the folder doesn't contain the headers right now.. |
| 07:24.13 | cads | I'm sure I could spend weeks just mining my system for interesting things I don't know it has :) |
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| 07:25.08 | cads | but I've backed up my data, /home and /etc as you've said, tomodachi.. if there are other changes to the system I've made I don't remember them... so maybe it's time to let go |
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| 07:29.30 | nsgn | chakie_work: ah, nvm, got it |
| 07:29.33 | nsgn | i'm a n00b |
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| 07:31.32 | empiric | guys |
| 07:31.50 | empiric | i hav HP StorageWorks DAT 160 USB Tape Drive i want to tae debian backups on it |
| 07:31.52 | empiric | any idea? |
| 07:32.13 | kfe | rsnapshot? |
| 07:33.08 | empiric | i have HP storage? |
| 07:33.15 | empiric | then why rsnapshot |
| 07:33.17 | kfe | sry |
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| 07:35.54 | kfe | you did not use google, did you? |
| 07:35.58 | empiric | i have large backups and hace to kep on tapes |
| 07:36.05 | empiric | i am |
| 07:36.06 | empiric | doing |
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| 07:37.58 | kfe | you could use bacula, but i am not familiar with that |
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| 07:42.03 | empiric | i am |
| 07:42.04 | empiric | i am doing |
| 07:42.06 | empiric | that |
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| 07:42.18 | empiric | first i have to attached thta HP drive |
| 07:42.24 | empiric | on debian machine |
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| 07:59.32 | blxd | can someone help me install better fonts for debian lenny x windows |
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| 08:02.49 | dokma | hey guys. my webcam has a builtin mic. now my system thinks that my webcam is my primary audio device and when I run alsamixer that device is the first on on display |
| 08:02.56 | dokma | I have to run alsamixer -c 1 |
| 08:03.01 | dokma | to get to my real audio card |
| 08:03.12 | dokma | how to tell my debian not to be silly? |
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| 08:08.01 | Ian00 | is there a command to see what package a file belongs to, or came from? |
| 08:08.40 | jelly-home | Ian00: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 08:09.34 | Ian00 | thx jelly-home |
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| 08:13.28 | nsgn | well thats nice |
| 08:13.44 | nsgn | the vmnet driver from vmware apparently breaks networking to a degree in debian |
| 08:13.55 | nsgn | even when compiled correctly and loading without error |
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| 08:14.53 | Ian00 | nsgn. my limited experience has been that virtualbox is less buggy on linux |
| 08:15.06 | Ian00 | compared to vmware |
| 08:15.06 | nsgn | debian as guest |
| 08:15.10 | nsgn | is what i meant |
| 08:15.12 | Ian00 | ahh |
| 08:15.17 | nsgn | windows x64 is host here |
| 08:15.23 | Ian00 | no idea, i only use as a host |
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| 08:16.00 | nsgn | yeah, the vmxnet driver isnt required |
| 08:16.06 | nsgn | debian works better without it |
| 08:16.25 | nsgn | it has networking with it, but it can't be controlled...the GUI can't seem to set it's IP settings |
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| 08:16.57 | nsgn | of course...crap...now i rebooted after uninstalling it and networking is still dead |
| 08:17.07 | nsgn | arghhhh. anyway to force re-detection of network interfaces? |
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| 08:18.37 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:19.09 | gypsymauro | I'm running lenny and sometimes the machine freezes with this out_of_memory http://pastebin.com/mcfc9227, I've 2GB of ram and 1,6 GB of swap :/ |
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| 08:21.32 | nsgn | crap. multiple restarts and now no networking. anyone with advice on how to force re detection of network adapters? |
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| 08:22.17 | sep | nsgn, ifconfig -a : if you see interfaces, try to configure them. if you do not see interfaces try loading kernel modules |
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| 08:22.41 | nsgn | sep: trying ifconfig -a |
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| 08:23.52 | nsgn | sep: interesting. the interface is there and functioning, but not visible to the GUI. the icon in the upper right says "not connected" and i can't set IP settings that work in the networking app |
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| 08:25.38 | sep | nsgn, check your /etc/network/interfaces most gui network conf tools only deal with interfaces not described in interfaces. or you may have to use the allow-hotplug read man interfaces for more info |
| 08:26.13 | nsgn | sep: it worked out of the box, then i installed a bad driver from vmware, and after removal this problem exists |
| 08:27.02 | sep | what kidnd of driver ? |
| 08:27.30 | sep | kernel module ? |
| 08:27.35 | nsgn | yes |
| 08:28.11 | nsgn | i thought it screwed up networking, but actually its working fine...the icon in the upper right tray just is reporting incorrectly all the time that networking is disconnected |
| 08:28.14 | nsgn | and that no networks are available |
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| 08:28.36 | sep | nsgn, perhaps it added things to your interfaces file |
| 08:28.37 | nsgn | not the end of the world, but now i'm just wondering why |
| 08:28.53 | nsgn | maybe. now that i know i can get it to kick around with ifconfig i'm ok |
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| 08:29.06 | nsgn | i just thought for a second i hosed up networking |
| 08:29.14 | nsgn | and i really didn't want to have to re-install a bunch of stuff i just set up |
| 08:29.32 | sep | nsgn, seriously read man interfaces it's the most basic knowledge for networking debian and derivates |
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| 08:29.44 | nsgn | sep: will do. thanks |
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| 08:31.32 | nsgn | has gotta sleep |
| 08:31.32 | nsgn | night |
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| 08:43.15 | JyZyXEL | how strong crypthography does OpenSSH implement? |
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| 08:43.49 | vi390 | could it be, that after installing lenny with mysql, there is no /etc/init.d/mysqld (start and Stop script) present ? |
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| 08:44.32 | vi390 | or ist it maybe just a failure of some install scripts.. where do I get this than ? |
| 08:44.59 | sep | JyZyXEL, it supports whatever ciphers openssl does, but witch one you use is configureable and your choise to make |
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| 08:45.27 | JyZyXEL | sep what is the default? |
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| 08:46.53 | sep | JyZyXEL, belive there is a list (in order of preference) in /etc/ssh/ssh_config keep in mind users can have separate configs. and the server and client must agree. ie the first cipher that both supports are used. |
| 08:46.55 | olspookishmagus | wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.i386.pgp.asc |
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| 08:47.21 | olspookishmagus | when trying to install flashplugin-non-free... any ideas? |
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| 08:47.47 | JyZyXEL | Ciphers aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc |
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| 08:48.23 | sep | olspookishmagus, try the link in your browser if that works debug your wget, or perhaps just try again |
| 08:48.28 | JyZyXEL | so if the client supports aes128-cbc then that is used |
| 08:48.53 | sep | JyZyXEL, i belive so. but again i am not an expert you should verify it with running ssh in verbose mode |
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| 08:49.30 | Crypticfortune | Ok, so I made this DVD video in apple's iDVD program, but accidentally burnt it to a dvd+rw (oops). I want to burn another copy to dvd-r via debian (burning another copy with iDVD woudl take 5 hours. it's a stupid program). what can I use in debian to just make a plain raw copy of a dvd? no transcoding or other crap like that... |
| 08:50.10 | bittin_ | K3B, Gnomebaker? |
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| 08:50.41 | Crypticfortune | bittin_: ahh gnomebaker looks promising. Thanks! |
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| 08:51.12 | bittin_ | np |
| 08:51.28 | bittin_ | Gnomebaker |
| 08:51.38 | bittin_ | :( |
| 08:51.43 | bittin_ | writed in wrong window |
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| 08:52.09 | bittin_ | think there is terminal apps for it also if you don't like a gui |
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| 08:53.10 | bittin_ | Crypticfortune: Brasero seems to be more updated then Gnomebaker |
| 08:53.18 | Crypticfortune | eek. gnomebaker looked promising, but it copied for about a minute then mysteriously crashed... |
| 08:53.48 | Crypticfortune | bittin_: ok, i'll try that i guess ^^ |
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| 08:55.55 | simonrvn | brasero is pretty good |
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| 08:57.17 | Crypticfortune | simonrvn: i like the super-clean interface. very shiny. and it hasn't crashed so far, so looking good! |
| 08:57.59 | simonrvn | it's decently laid out, yeh. nice to see apps with a thought-out ui. |
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| 09:03.39 | sysfault | anyone have any python-uno install errors when running apt-get upgrade? And is there a proper fix for this? I've been searching for the last 30 minutes |
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| 09:05.21 | zrin | is there a way to monitor I/O usage per process, to find out which processes are using (too much) of the I/O bandwidth? |
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| 09:05.55 | \amethyst | zrin: iotop |
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| 09:06.07 | zrin | \amethyst: thank you! |
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| 09:08.52 | anewbie | guys does someone now if you are connected via eth0 and ath0 whitch interface will use nmap ? |
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| 09:09.16 | liable | whichever the default route is set to |
| 09:09.22 | Crypticfortune | anewbie: both/either? depends on what you tell nmap to scan |
| 09:10.15 | anewbie | mhmm i am conected to both of the interfaces and tell it to scan local PC with inside ip of my local network |
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| 09:10.38 | anewbie | i have eth0 configured with real ip and eth0:1 with the inside one |
| 09:10.42 | sysfault | hmm. has anyone ran across such a problem when running apt-get upgrade? python-uno is borking on installation because of a python AttributeError. NoneType object has nmo attribute 'remove_byte_code'. surely nonetype has any attributes, looks like an error in the install script. is there a known fix for this? |
| 09:11.32 | Crypticfortune | anewbie: "netstat -rng" will show you your routing table. from that you should be able to tell what interface will be used to get to that ip. |
| 09:12.28 | olspookishmagus | sep: hmmm... the directory structure/contents seem to have changed -> http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/ |
| 09:12.37 | anewbie | ok if i understand that corectly |
| 09:12.38 | anewbie | 10.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 09:12.53 | anewbie | that line will connect me to ip's like 10.10.1.2 for exemple |
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| 09:13.20 | anewbie | or i must add route add gw 10.10.1.1 |
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| 09:14.54 | Crypticfortune | anewbie: that line says that things in the 10.0.0.0/8 subnet all go straight out through eth0... |
| 09:15.16 | anewbie | ok |
| 09:15.21 | anewbie | thx :) |
| 09:15.22 | dkarg | greetings. Anybody in here who could do a quick check on the 'debian-custom' mailing list ? I'm trying to post and get the following error: The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 <debian-custrom@lists.debian.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state 14). |
| 09:15.44 | dkarg | I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong, but just in case :) |
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| 09:19.31 | Panarchy | says Hi |
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| 09:19.43 | bittin_ | Hi |
| 09:19.43 | Panarchy | Does anyone know what syntax highlighting to use for menu.lst (usually with /boot/grub), the text editor I am using is Notepad2. Thanks in advance for any advice with this. |
| 09:19.44 | Panarchy | I have found one 'guide' online listing nano's syntax highlighting for menu.lst. View it here: http://paste2.org/p/141348 |
| 09:19.53 | suzu | hi |
| 09:20.01 | Panarchy | yo |
| 09:21.03 | Panarchy | Does anyone know what syntax highlighting to use for the menu.lst file? |
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| 09:23.11 | petemc | Panarchy: dont all editors use different methods for syntax highlighting? |
| 09:23.17 | petemc | just uses vim |
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| 09:24.49 | Panarchy | Yes, they do. But Notepad2 doesn't have any default syntax highlighting for the sources.lst file. So I would like to know what settings I should use for it, within Notepad2. Thanks in advance for any advice given for this. |
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| 09:27.39 | Panarchy | Does anyone know what syntax highlighting to use for the menu.lst file? (I'm using Notepad2) |
| 09:27.44 | petemc | Panarchy: dont repeat |
| 09:28.02 | petemc | you can have a look at /usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/grub.vim , but i doubt that will do you any good |
| 09:28.30 | Panarchy | Yeah, I know what you mean |
| 09:28.44 | petemc | you could always use a real editor.. |
| 09:28.54 | Panarchy | Would there be an online text editor with syntax highlighting for the menu.lst file? |
| 09:29.12 | petemc | what does online mean in that context? |
| 09:29.51 | rvsjoen | you should ask yourself if you really spend this much time editing that file for this to be worth the effort |
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| 09:31.57 | Panarchy | Well I'd like to have teh knowledge |
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| 09:37.50 | Logi_Khoo | is possible to install debian using ubuntu? Eventually i want to get rid of ubuntu |
| 09:38.30 | Panarchy | Yes |
| 09:38.38 | Panarchy | Add the debian repositories to Ubuntu |
| 09:38.45 | Panarchy | However this may mess up a lot of things |
| 09:38.49 | Panarchy | I'm not sure |
| 09:38.50 | Panarchy | Does anyone know what syntax highlighting to use for the menu.lst file? (I'm using Notepad2) |
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| 09:39.28 | sysfault | hmm. has anyone ran across such a problem when running apt-get upgrade? python-uno is borking on installation because of a python AttributeError. NoneType object has nmo attribute 'remove_byte_code'. surely nonetype has any attributes, looks like an error in the install script. is there a known fix for this |
| 09:40.13 | Panarchy | Hmm... try asking on the #python channel |
| 09:40.21 | sysfault | i cant even remove openoffice, it keeps telling me to run apt-get -f install to fix the python-uno problem, i cant do anything |
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| 09:40.54 | sysfault | no it isn't.. its a debian pkg bug. im just thinking of a programmatic solution since i cant seem to find one |
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| 09:41.24 | sysfault | Panarchy: ohh sorry, read your statement wrong |
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| 09:41.32 | sysfault | but im sure they will be of no assistance |
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| 09:41.53 | Panarchy | Ah, you're trying to remove openoffice |
| 09:42.00 | Panarchy | Have you tried doing it in synaptic? |
| 09:42.06 | sysfault | because of the error. |
| 09:42.21 | sysfault | im just trying to upgrade my system |
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| 09:43.41 | Panarchy | Have you tried doing it in synaptic? |
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| 09:45.08 | olspookishmagus | somehow wget fails to fetch files when run on account of dpkg, aptitude - seems relevant to the corefonts trouble... where do the temporary files are gathered when someone installs a package by dpkg -i <package> method? |
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| 09:45.58 | sysfault | Panarchy: no, i dont have synaptic installed, and i cant seem to install anything with this problem in the way |
| 09:46.10 | Panarchy | Ah |
| 09:46.31 | Panarchy | Have you tried with --fix-missing |
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| 09:47.55 | sysfault | no matter what i do i get this error http://rafb.net/p/UN3Dkb62.html |
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| 10:03.34 | Panarchy | Does anyone know what syntax highlighting to use for menu.lst (usually with /boot/grub), the text editor I am using is Notepad2. Thanks in advance for any advice with this. |
| 10:03.35 | Panarchy | I have found one 'guide' online listing nano's syntax highlighting for menu.lst. View it here: http://paste2.org/p/141348 |
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| 10:04.48 | o2T7 | hi |
| 10:05.00 | o2T7 | is there a netinst iso for unstable? |
| 10:05.06 | scientes | is there a way to convince apt that packages dobt really have the dependancies they claim |
| 10:05.26 | scientes | so that apt stops whining bout a non-broken app |
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| 10:06.43 | sysfault | is there a debian way of making python2.5 your default python version ? or should i just symlink /usr/bin/python to python2.5? |
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| 10:07.10 | scientes | try dpkg-reconfigure python2.5 |
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| 10:08.10 | sysfault | root@exalted:~# dpkg-reconfigure python2.5 |
| 10:08.10 | sysfault | find: /var/lib/dwww/menu-method/: No such file or directory |
| 10:08.24 | scientes | hmm wierd |
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| 10:09.07 | sysfault | i installed python2.5 via dpkg from the deb on debian.org |
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| 10:09.26 | sysfault | it didn't upgrade to 2.5 automatically when running apt-get upgrade |
| 10:09.35 | scientes | you dont have to make it so hard you can apt-get install python25, but the result is the same |
| 10:10.16 | scientes | 2.5 and 2.4 are differnt packages |
| 10:10.25 | sysfault | yea surely |
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| 10:10.34 | scientes | so they dont upgrade to each other |
| 10:10.43 | sysfault | ohh ok... ok |
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| 10:10.52 | scientes | but the dpkg-reconfigure is wierd |
| 10:11.15 | scientes | seems like a bug |
| 10:11.31 | sysfault | hmm, in just my system? |
| 10:13.01 | Panarchy | Does anyone know what syntax highlighting to use for menu.lst (usually with /boot/grub), the text editor I am using is Notepad2. Thanks in advance for any advice with this. |
| 10:13.01 | Panarchy | I have found one 'guide' online listing nano's syntax highlighting for menu.lst. View it here: http://paste2.org/p/141348 |
| 10:13.15 | scientes | well it doesnt give the option of the default, but it does not error |
| 10:13.42 | scientes | generally you shouldnt do that as debian packages might rely on the debian default |
| 10:13.57 | scientes | but i dont think that is that big of an issue |
| 10:14.00 | sysfault | ill just symlink the executable |
| 10:14.04 | scientes | so yeah just do that |
| 10:14.13 | testi | Is there something like a distributed Instant Messenger. I know I could just use VNC or similar, but it's simply too slow, and I know Jabber allows logging in multiple times, but I'd like to have good performance, low bandwidth usage, support for all protocols and I want to receive all messages on all workstations even if they were not logged in at the time the messages were received. |
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| 10:14.33 | scientes | testi, ejabberd |
| 10:14.48 | petemc | Panarchy: i dont think anyone here is going to be able to help you. if you insist on using notepad2 you might want to look into asking somewhere where people know about it |
| 10:14.50 | testi | scientes: I mean Instant Messenger client |
| 10:14.56 | scientes | then pidgin |
| 10:14.59 | scientes | its the standard client |
| 10:15.03 | scientes | supports everything |
| 10:15.27 | testi | Does pidgin do what I said? I use it already but couldn't find these features |
| 10:15.48 | scientes | the problem is that you need a local server, or you need to use bonjour that doesnt have a server |
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| 10:16.09 | Llama | Hello. |
| 10:16.14 | scientes | bonjour/avahi is awesome |
| 10:16.18 | enouf | !info bitlbee |
| 10:16.28 | Llama | I have problem with netstat output in etch. Sometime it duplicate lines. |
| 10:16.33 | Llama | example here: http://pastebin.ca/1326976 |
| 10:16.40 | scientes | dpkg avahi |
| 10:16.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared. |
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| 10:16.59 | scientes | instant messaging can also work with it |
| 10:17.16 | sep | scientes, unless you happen to have a domain that ends in .local, from ages back then it's as funny as yellow snow |
| 10:17.30 | scientes | ? |
| 10:17.42 | testi | Yeah I need a local meta-server that uses a proprietary protocol to communicate with it's client - Something you usually implement using RMI (or whatever your programming language supports, shared objects etc..) |
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| 10:17.54 | scientes | you can search both .local and your domain, and avahi can be setup to use your actual domain |
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| 10:18.23 | dpkg | bitlbee: (An IRC to other chat networks gateway), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 318 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
| 10:18.24 | bazyl | greets ;) |
| 10:18.32 | bazyl | hello everyone |
| 10:18.53 | harez | hi |
| 10:19.11 | bittin_ | hi |
| 10:19.13 | harez | anyone knows the standard IOWAIT in a SERVER ? |
| 10:19.31 | harez | stable server without a lot of work |
| 10:19.34 | testi | Yeah bitlbee is nice, but it restricts the functionality to what IRC is capable of |
| 10:19.36 | harez | 10 % is a high IO ? |
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| 10:22.25 | Panarchy | Does anyone know what syntax highlighting to use for menu.lst (usually with /boot/grub), the text editor I am using is Notepad2. Thanks in advance for any advice with this. |
| 10:22.25 | Panarchy | I have found one 'guide' online listing nano's syntax highlighting for menu.lst. View it here: http://paste2.org/p/141348 |
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| 10:23.47 | ikonia | Panarchy: you're not using debian - why are you asking in here, your asking in #fedora #centos #debian #archlinux #ubuntuforum ##windows - stop - ask in the correct channel your spamming 8 channels with your stuff |
| 10:25.35 | Llama | harez, yes, 10% mean that your IO subsystem slow down performance. For exampler, iowait 20% mean slow responsible system. |
| 10:25.43 | Panarchy | ikonia: See here http://i43.tinypic.com/72g9z6.jpg |
| 10:25.49 | sysfault | grub questions in #windows? lol |
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| 10:26.12 | Llama | harez, so 10% is high value unless you are running specific tasts like fileserver. |
| 10:26.24 | enouf | Panarchy: i have no idea why you need syntax highlighting for menu.lst - but maybe this is of use http://fosswire.com/tag/tutorials/page/2/ |
| 10:26.26 | ikonia | Panarchy: use nano - it's just keyword highlighting |
| 10:26.35 | ikonia | Panarchy: your not even using debian - stop discussing it in here - this is for debian support |
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| 10:28.41 | Panarchy | Does anyone know what syntax highlighting to use for menu.lst (usually with /boot/grub), the text editor I am using is Notepad2. Thanks in advance for any advice with this. |
| 10:28.41 | Panarchy | I have found one 'guide' online listing nano's syntax highlighting for menu.lst. View it here: http://paste2.org/p/141348 |
| 10:29.10 | stue | hello all im neew to debian .... and i want to try it out so i went to det download site and chose dvd ... but there are 3 ... do i need them all or can i settel with the first one? |
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| 10:29.57 | craigevil | stue: if you have a good internet connection you only need the netinstall cd |
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| 10:31.26 | enouf | ok, i'm convinced ...Panarchy is a bot - someone dismember it |
| 10:31.39 | craigevil | no hes just a moron |
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| 10:32.07 | Panarchy | goes back to working on his linux distribution [- http://panarchy.wordpress.com -] | & setting up his partitions to install 9 operating systems on one 1TB hard-drive [- http://i43.tinypic.com/72g9z6.jpg -] |
| 10:32.09 | debian_noob | Hi |
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| 10:32.15 | craigevil | he has multiple threads at forums.debian.net flasming debian then asking for help to build his own dbeian based distro |
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| 10:33.13 | stue | craigevil, okei so this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/ and the only cd1? |
| 10:34.08 | stue | craigevil, sry .... i need to scroll down there is the netinst cd ... pff sry m8yt |
| 10:34.57 | craigevil | stue: i would go ahead and install lenny, if everything goes well it should be released this month anyway |
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| 10:36.29 | enouf | !lenny install |
| 10:36.29 | dpkg | To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 10:36.40 | mardi | hi all, how to i down grade fglrx? |
| 10:36.47 | avu | !downgrade |
| 10:36.47 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 10:36.51 | Thasp | when I upgrade vsftpd to 2.0.7, from 2.0.5 using apt, passive mode breaks. |
| 10:37.03 | Thasp | i had to upgrade because 2.0.5 doesn't play nice with filezilla clients for some reason |
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| 10:37.16 | mardi | thanks avu |
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| 10:39.15 | stue | craigevil, what is the driffrent? |
| 10:39.53 | MindCr | hi, what can i do to watch the [ok] and [fail] messages in the kernel start ? i need a package? |
| 10:40.02 | craigevil | stue: etch is rather old, and lenny is hopefully going to be released as the new stable soon |
| 10:40.12 | petemc | MindCr: bootlog |
| 10:40.20 | petemc | MindCr: you just need to enable it |
| 10:40.29 | enouf | !bootlogd |
| 10:40.30 | dpkg | bootlogd is probably disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 10:40.34 | MindCr | ok thanks petemc |
| 10:41.19 | MindCr | thanks |
| 10:41.58 | enouf | !+tell stue -about releases |
| 10:42.00 | dpkg | told stue about releases. |
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| 10:43.42 | neil_d | I am new to debian I would like to install a test server, where should I start? what image should I download? |
| 10:44.23 | enouf | neil_d: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 10:44.44 | enouf | neil_d: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 10:45.37 | vaq | How should I launch vncserver so that I get a login splash screen for the linux user? |
| 10:45.48 | negge | could someone please tell me what the default Debian theme is called? And preferably the package name too |
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| 10:46.33 | neil_d | vaq: on ubuntu to get a login, it must be launced via inetd |
| 10:46.43 | Stanlin | how to get a GIT tree, on debian? in redhat is: git clone git://git.etherboot.org/scm/gpxe.git for example |
| 10:46.49 | vaq | neil_d: Okay, how is that done? |
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| 10:47.16 | Stanlin | s.o.s. |
| 10:47.21 | Stanlin | !git |
| 10:47.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, git is version control system that was started by Linus Torvalds, which is currently used to maintain the linux kernel, http://git.or.cz/, or http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git.html |
| 10:47.57 | negge | anyone? |
| 10:48.13 | avu | negge, default theme for what? |
| 10:48.13 | vaq | neil_d: Could you point me to an article about this? |
| 10:48.41 | avu | Stanlin, same thing works on debian if you install git (git-core) |
| 10:48.52 | scientes | can i tell apt to ignore specific broken packages? |
| 10:49.23 | Stanlin | avu thanks, i was missing that package |
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| 10:51.22 | negge | avu: the default GNOME theme |
| 10:51.58 | avu | negge, I think it's just the regular gnome default with a custom wallpaper |
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| 10:52.35 | negge | avu: the thing is, I have a computer with Ubuntu which only has gnome-core installed, and I don't like the brownish theme |
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| 10:52.45 | Mohammad[B] | how to i can config squid 2.7 for a proxy server in a web server ? please help me :-s |
| 10:52.58 | avu | negge, well, then switch to clearlooks or whatever |
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| 10:53.52 | dokma | Hi guys |
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| 10:54.04 | dokma | I've got 2 graphic card on the system |
| 10:54.06 | negge | avu: I got it now |
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| 10:54.07 | dokma | one is onboard |
| 10:54.12 | dokma | another one is HD3450 |
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| 10:54.34 | avu | !enter |
| 10:54.34 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 10:54.34 | dokma | when I use HD3450 my system crashes after I view a video in for example xine |
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| 10:54.58 | dokma | ahh... thanks that's my standard flaw |
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| 10:55.23 | frunsk | i can't seem to mount a partition with my non root user permissions |
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| 10:55.46 | avu | frunsk, does the fstab entry for that partition have the 'user' option? |
| 10:55.47 | frunsk | this is my fstab relevant line "/dev/hdd1/media/ATAext3user,gid=1000,uid=100000" |
| 10:56.32 | avu | frunsk, is your /bin/mount setuid root? |
| 10:57.01 | enouf | frunsk: id -a shows you as 1000? :-P |
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| 10:59.11 | vaq | How should I launch vncserver so that I get a login splash screen for the linux user? |
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| 11:00.23 | prdelka | vaq: you cant. |
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| 11:00.32 | prdelka | you should look into X11 instead. |
| 11:00.46 | vaq | prdelka: So I could start a vnc session for each user? |
| 11:01.04 | prdelka | i normally have linux setup to autologin with VNC running so i can get headless connection |
| 11:01.16 | prdelka | i dont think its possible to start it with the GDM thing and have it display a login page |
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| 11:01.23 | prdelka | i might be wrong though. |
| 11:01.25 | irssi2 | hello everybody, will debootstrap work with a usb key target? this motherboard does not natively support usb-boot. I have "BootMagic" on "Hiren's rescue cd", can i expect it to be sufficient? |
| 11:01.38 | vaq | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=795036 |
| 11:01.40 | vaq | seems possible |
| 11:01.42 | prdelka | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-1606.html |
| 11:01.48 | prdelka | yeah i just googled, seems so |
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| 11:03.08 | prdelka | ive never done it, sorry. |
| 11:03.15 | Skaag | what's the official way in debian to add a service to /etc/init.d and to make sure it loads on boot? |
| 11:03.21 | Skaag | after i've copied it there |
| 11:04.10 | petemc | Skaag: update-rc.d is one way |
| 11:04.22 | Skaag | reading about it now |
| 11:05.06 | Skaag | awesome, that's exactly what I need |
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| 11:05.54 | Llama | vaq, possible you have to look at NX |
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| 11:07.52 | MasterOfDisaster | hi, I'm trying to package a library, I tried dh_make, but I have no idea what I should change in the debian/rules file - I don't get why nothing (except the changelog) is installed when calling debuild. |
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| 11:10.39 | frunsk | enouf, id -a shows 1000 ... avu how do i check the setuid? |
| 11:10.47 | SPF | I'm trying to use ssh -D (Dynamic forwarding) but unfortunately I cannot get it to work. It works with putty, but then I can select socks5. Command I use atm: ssh -D 8080 spf@host |
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| 11:11.07 | SPF | according to the manual page of ssh, ssh uses socks5 by default |
| 11:11.22 | mardi | !radeon |
| 11:11.22 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon. For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>. |
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| 11:11.58 | mardi | !radeonhd |
| 11:11.58 | dpkg | from memory, radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:12.21 | avu | !msg the bot |
| 11:12.21 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 11:12.26 | avu | frunsk, ls -l |
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| 11:18.49 | Thasp | for proftpd, is this syntax correct? http://pastebin.com/m62a24a4c |
| 11:18.58 | Thasp | it lets me in even though proftpd: ALL is in /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 11:35.24 | batcoder-7 | stupid stupid question but how many colors can a terminal have? |
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| 11:48.10 | tortoise | Unstable will resume accepting new/up-to-date packages as soon as Lenny is released as Stable, yes? |
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| 11:49.15 | asg | tortoise: yes |
| 11:49.39 | tortoise | asg: Thank you. |
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| 12:00.50 | albuntu | hello to al |
| 12:00.55 | albuntu | all* |
| 12:01.26 | albuntu | can someone please tell me how to find a uid and gid from terminal if i know the name of the user ? |
| 12:02.04 | petemc | id -u user |
| 12:02.11 | liable | albuntu: grep user /etc/passwd |
| 12:02.18 | enouf | albuntu: id username |
| 12:02.34 | albuntu | thank you :) i will try all of them. lol |
| 12:03.00 | liable | hehe |
| 12:03.09 | liable | choice is good :) |
| 12:03.19 | asg | don't forget 'getent' |
| 12:03.28 | enouf | indeed |
| 12:04.28 | albuntu | ok all of them worked and i thank all of you anyways i just found more "simple" enouf's one :) |
| 12:04.31 | albuntu | thank you again |
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| 12:06.50 | Agiofws | hi |
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| 12:06.59 | Agiofws | is anyone using joomFISH here |
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| 12:07.29 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.53 | dupondje | Hello, I upgraded my openssh server, but now I get Host key * blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1)), I regenerated keys, but still getting same error ... any id ? |
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| 12:13.13 | dupondje | somebody awake here ? |
| 12:14.05 | liable | dupondje: you regenerated the hosts server keys? have you checked the ssh-vulnkey manpage? |
| 12:14.37 | dupondje | I did: rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* and then dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server ... |
| 12:14.42 | dupondje | it regenerated the keys |
| 12:14.51 | dupondje | but still gives me the blacklisted key |
| 12:15.07 | liable | and your login key? |
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| 12:15.22 | dupondje | regenerated that also ... |
| 12:15.36 | dupondje | thats the one in /root/.ssh right ? |
| 12:15.39 | liable | have a quick read of the man page, its been a while since i have dealt with it |
| 12:16.10 | liable | dupondje: yep, if you are logging in as root |
| 12:16.20 | liable | which is not really a good thing to do |
| 12:17.32 | dupondje | removed keys from /root/.ssh: did # ssh-keygen -t rsa, then removed /etc/ssh keys, then dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 12:17.33 | dupondje | and still :( |
| 12:18.01 | liable | does that restart sshd? |
| 12:18.10 | enouf | dupondje: uname -r |
| 12:18.24 | dupondje | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 12:18.39 | enouf | dupondje: do you have security.debian.org in sources.list? - ugh, run update |
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| 12:18.54 | sema4r | can anyone recommend a decent xmms replacement? tried audacious but that piece of crap takes 20% cpu on my machine for playing a lousy mp3 file. any suggestions ? |
| 12:18.54 | liable | he wouldnt have ssh-vulnkey if he didnt |
| 12:19.06 | enouf | er upgrade ; and dist-upgrade - make sure your sources.list are proper prior though |
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| 12:19.10 | dupondje | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 12:19.13 | dupondje | its there |
| 12:19.15 | dupondje | did upgrade |
| 12:19.27 | dupondje | looks like it was some time ago a upgrade ran .. ;) |
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| 12:19.32 | enouf | liable: the 2.6.18-6-686 is the 'fixed' version |
| 12:19.44 | dupondje | enouf: so I need to reboot |
| 12:19.50 | enouf | liable: the -4 is old -- dupondje cat /proc/version |
| 12:19.51 | dupondje | and then I can generate good keys ? |
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| 12:20.06 | liable | enouf: i'm not talking about kernel, though, yeah, its an old kernel |
| 12:20.06 | enouf | !tell dupondje -about dsa1571 |
| 12:20.11 | dupondje | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-11) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed Feb 21 16:06:54 UTC 2007 |
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| 12:20.38 | enouf | dupondje: yes, upgrade atleast the kernel and /msg dpkg security |
| 12:20.58 | enouf | and do the dist-upgrade to obtain all new openssl stuffs - IIRC |
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| 12:21.15 | enouf | but have only Etch/Stable in your sources.list |
| 12:21.23 | Bagualas | what is the parameter of keepalive in ppp/options? |
| 12:21.31 | dupondje | well dist-upgrade ran, and everything is upgraded |
| 12:21.33 | dupondje | ... |
| 12:21.52 | enouf | dupondje: you'd need to reboot into the new kernel |
| 12:21.57 | gewt | :o |
| 12:22.00 | gewt | ppp |
| 12:22.02 | gewt | !? |
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| 12:22.15 | Bagualas | gewt, yep :) |
| 12:22.15 | dupondje | enouf: but openssh doesn't work now, and its a remote server :) how to fix this ? |
| 12:22.23 | dupondje | cause I won't be able to login @ reboot right ? :) |
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| 12:22.31 | enouf | dupondje: oh dear |
| 12:22.36 | gewt | wat' |
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| 12:22.56 | enouf | dupondje: .. ok - i'll let someone else advise .. you definitely want to maintain and keep a connection |
| 12:22.59 | gewt | !lenny-status |
| 12:22.59 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Entire archive: DEEP FREEZE! For more information, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html or ask me about <lenny release notes><etch->lenny><rc-alert>. |
| 12:23.11 | dtcrshr | are pon and poff debian especific scripts? can i use them with other distros? |
| 12:23.17 | gewt | yay |
| 12:23.46 | gewt | :o |
| 12:23.49 | enouf | dupondje: wiki.debian.org URLs given in the factoids sent to you might have a procedure to follow |
| 12:23.56 | gewt | 14th is tentative release date? |
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| 12:24.07 | dtcrshr | kinda hard to google it, pon and poff gives me a huge list of connections tutorials |
| 12:24.08 | gewt | does the installer have an upgrade function? |
| 12:25.14 | gewt | what kernel is used in sid? |
| 12:25.16 | enouf | gewt: consider it an 'upgrade' from whatever you were using prior :-P |
| 12:25.25 | gewt | :P |
| 12:25.28 | enouf | gewt: /msg dpkg releases |
| 12:25.34 | gewt | k |
| 12:25.40 | enouf | gewt: .26 for now |
| 12:25.45 | dupondje | enouf: nothing nice there :P |
| 12:25.45 | enouf | until Lenny releases |
| 12:26.17 | enouf | dupondje: heh |
| 12:29.37 | liable | !seen wols |
| 12:29.37 | dpkg | wols <i=klingens@p549DCB80.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 28d 15h 27m 19s ago, saying: 'thank you'. |
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| 12:31.06 | asg | liable: he went awols |
| 12:31.31 | enouf | asg: you need more beer :-P |
| 12:31.43 | liable | just wondering, havent seen the grumpy old bastard for a while |
| 12:31.44 | martianixor | hi, is there away to change how the system starts "without prompting for username and password" manually or using a live CD |
| 12:31.54 | dupondje | enouf: isn't it possible to disable blacklist temp in ssh or something |
| 12:31.58 | dupondje | just for the reboot |
| 12:32.01 | asg | enouf: true, one can never have enough |
| 12:32.18 | martianixor | because it's a system that I couldn't login to due to locale changes |
| 12:32.34 | enouf | dupondje: not sure how |
| 12:32.48 | liable | asg: funny you should say that, another regular i knew was called awol, and died recently.. |
| 12:32.49 | asg | martianixor: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password (those same instructions can be used to fix your issue) |
| 12:32.59 | asg | liable: ah, how sad |
| 12:33.04 | martianixor | asg I didn't forget the password, I can't even type it |
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| 12:33.25 | enouf | liable: .. my condolensces |
| 12:33.27 | asg | martianixor: follow the instructions to get a root shell so you can reconfigure your locales |
| 12:33.39 | martianixor | asg the locale has been changed, and no matter how many times I try to change it from options menu in the welcome screen it doesn't change |
| 12:33.42 | enouf | martianixor: do what he said |
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| 12:34.00 | martianixor | Oh guys you're talking about single user? |
| 12:34.02 | enouf | (he/she/it) heh |
| 12:34.18 | asg | enouf: I still prefer s/he/it |
| 12:34.24 | asg | martianixor: yes |
| 12:34.41 | dupondje | enouf: ok, set to SSHVersion 1 |
| 12:34.43 | dupondje | regenerated |
| 12:34.47 | dupondje | and then it worked again |
| 12:34.48 | enouf | asg: however, that can easily be misconstrued for sed syntax :-) |
| 12:34.49 | dupondje | rebooting now :) |
| 12:35.04 | enouf | \o/ |
| 12:35.13 | martianixor | that's the problem the machine is not here :-( |
| 12:35.15 | asg | enouf: yes and it is a colloquial naughty pronunciation in these parts |
| 12:35.30 | enouf | asg: indeed - here too :-) |
| 12:35.43 | petemc | clay davis style |
| 12:35.44 | asg | grins |
| 12:35.59 | petemc | s/heeeee/it/ |
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| 12:36.42 | asg | see, we aren't that far away from .ee |
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| 12:38.23 | dupondje | rofl :( |
| 12:38.32 | enouf | er |
| 12:38.34 | dupondje | rebooted, and guess what, still generated bad keys :( |
| 12:38.50 | enouf | dihymo: dpkg -l libssl* | grep ^.i |
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| 12:39.28 | enouf | has to be afk for a bit |
| 12:39.40 | dupondje | ii libssl-dev 0.9.8e-4 SSL development libraries, header files and |
| 12:39.40 | dupondje | ii libssl0.9.8 0.9.8e-4 SSL shared libraries |
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| 12:46.55 | thm | hi! I currently run lenny. is there an easy way of getting gcc44? |
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| 12:47.41 | liable | probably not |
| 12:48.25 | cusco | only up to 4.3 in the repos |
| 12:48.30 | liable | i havent updated for a bit, but its not in sid either. maybe experimental, but thats crazy |
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| 12:49.10 | cusco | ls |
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| 12:49.32 | rahsputin | Hi, i have built a LiveCD using live-helper. The only thing is that i cannot get X, xdm and icewm to run. What must i do to solve this issue? |
| 12:49.35 | thm | hm, ok. |
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| 12:52.03 | rahsputin | It is a "standard" install with packages from config/chroot_local-packages : desktop-base, xdm, icewm .... |
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| 12:52.44 | co_lapar | can anyone help me how to instal kernel mpls for debian 3.0? |
| 12:52.59 | cusco | 3.0 that is sarge! |
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| 12:54.25 | co_lapar | can you help me cusco |
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| 12:55.01 | cusco | sorry now |
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| 12:55.02 | cusco | :( |
| 12:55.05 | hanga | hi, how can i use bash variables in sed? |
| 12:55.10 | co_lapar | can anyone help me how to instal kernel mpls for debian 3.0? |
| 12:55.18 | co_lapar | thanks cusco |
| 12:55.23 | co_lapar | can anyone help me how to instal kernel mpls for debian 3.0? |
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| 13:07.42 | co_lapar | can anyone help me how to instal kernel mpls for debian 3.0? |
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| 13:09.01 | jcm | hi, where can I find some help on exim4 config on etch ? I get unroutable address errors |
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| 13:11.03 | co_lapar | anyone please help me |
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| 13:13.22 | amphi | co_lapar: why are you running debian 3.0, BTW? |
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| 13:16.16 | Skaag | I made a debian package, the control file states that this pkg depends on apg, but dpkg -i does not install them automatically |
| 13:16.28 | Skaag | any way to make it automatically download and install dependencies? |
| 13:16.49 | liable | no, thats what apt-get/aptitude is for |
| 13:16.49 | asg | Skaag: /msg dpkg mg |
| 13:17.18 | Skaag | I don't want to have to put this in a repository |
| 13:17.22 | Skaag | anyway thanks |
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| 13:17.31 | liable | then you have to install the depends manually |
| 13:17.43 | liable | or force it and run apt-get -f install |
| 13:17.50 | co_lapar | bcouse i only have source mpls for kernel 2.4 |
| 13:18.10 | co_lapar | amphi : bcouse i only have source mpls for kernel 2.4 |
| 13:18.55 | Skaag | ok thanks |
| 13:19.20 | bas-i | anyway to cancel a netinstall that hangs while "Scanning the mirror..."? |
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| 13:19.24 | bas-i | ctrl-c won't do it. |
| 13:19.44 | Firestarter- | Is there a way to extract p7 zipped files in linux? |
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| 13:20.00 | asg | bas-i: alt+f2 (go to another console) and kill the process that is hanging |
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| 13:20.03 | liable | bas-i: not really, you have to wait for it to time out |
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| 13:20.18 | liable | or yes, kill the process |
| 13:21.15 | bas-i | bit of kill did it, thx. |
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| 13:22.45 | pedalCat | Hello everyone, long time gentoo user here, I've been having some issues with portage lately and I was thinking about switching distros. I've used Ubuntu before on my laptop, but was hoping one of you could persuade me as to how debian > ubuntu. |
| 13:23.18 | abrotman | pedalCat: you get to ask questions here! :) |
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| 13:25.15 | frostschutz | pedalCat: use whatever works for you, I'm happy with both gentoo and debian :) |
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| 13:25.54 | abrotman | pedalCat: one of the things you will likely gain is stability |
| 13:26.00 | asg | pedalCat: /msg dpkg debian-vs-ubuntu |
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| 13:28.20 | Firestarter- | anyone know how to extract a 7z zip file I can read it in ark but not extract |
| 13:28.21 | liable | and leetness |
| 13:29.36 | et | Firestarter-: well, one way would be to install 7zip ;) |
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| 13:31.00 | Firestarter- | et: I have installed p7zip-full and all I can do is read the files |
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| 13:33.25 | taupter | Hi there. I'm having problems with kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64 in lenny installed on an IBM x3650 7979PGH, it doesn't seem to recognize properly their Broadcom NetXtreme II network interfaces. These same interfaces work fine with kernel 2.6.18-6-amd64 from etch. Somebody could help me? |
| 13:33.47 | Ancho | Firestarter-: man 7zr |
| 13:34.08 | Firestarter- | Ancho: ok thanks |
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| 13:37.26 | asg | taupter: http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/unix-sysadmin/heads-up-no-bnx2-support-in-upcoming-debian-kernels-27830 (more info there) |
| 13:38.02 | taupter | asg: Thanks. Reading... |
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| 13:41.03 | vaq | why is update-modules depreached in lenny? |
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| 13:41.57 | asg | taupter: more info is available in the bnx2 factoid as well (/msg dpkg bnx2) |
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| 13:50.06 | bed | hi there |
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| 13:53.34 | paxcoder | What do you do when apt-get -f install doesn't work? |
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| 13:54.01 | asg | paxcoder: it depends on why it failed. pastebin the command and results |
| 13:54.03 | paxcoder | ( see #flood ) |
| 13:54.05 | streuner | show us the whole error and paste.debian.net |
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| 13:54.09 | geaaru | hi, i'm using lenny version but i can't found libmodule-load-conditional-perl, it is been removed? |
| 13:54.19 | paxcoder | streuner: asg: join #flood |
| 13:54.23 | paxcoder | i'll post it there |
| 13:54.25 | streuner | nah |
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| 13:54.30 | streuner | just use paste.debian.net |
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| 13:55.06 | paxcoder | streuner: asg: http://pastebin.com/m5371dfa4 |
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| 13:55.29 | paxcoder | ( in your face streuner :-P ) |
| 13:55.33 | abrotman | !tell paxcoder about overwrite |
| 13:56.01 | paxcoder | abrotman: thx |
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| 13:56.04 | streuner | !overwrite |
| 13:56.04 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 13:56.09 | abrotman | !lose streuner |
| 13:56.10 | dpkg | streuner: You Lose. |
| 13:56.26 | streuner | !win abrotman |
| 13:56.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:56.44 | flaviotruzzi | where I can find information about how to see youtube on debian? |
| 13:56.47 | paxcoder | it's because i'm so darned pretty |
| 13:57.13 | geaaru | i'm sorry i'm use etch version and there isn't this package on etch. |
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| 13:57.20 | streuner | flaviotruzzi: bascially you need flash, but if you dont want flash installed, just you youtube-dl |
| 13:57.23 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: use swfdec-mozilla or -konqueror or gnash-plugin |
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| 13:57.40 | paxcoder | flaviotruzzi: swfdec will do (although nasty, but I'm using that). |
| 13:57.41 | streuner | s/you/use/ |
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| 13:58.03 | paxcoder | dunno what's happening with gnash *shrugs* |
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| 13:58.24 | flaviotruzzi | swfdec-mozilla is already the newest version. |
| 13:58.44 | paxcoder | flaviotruzzi: what's the problem? |
| 13:58.48 | DeSian | ok flaviotruzzi and what is you problem? |
| 13:58.52 | flaviotruzzi | streuner: I tryed to use flashplayer-mozzila |
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| 13:59.02 | flaviotruzzi | i just cant see flash movies on iceweasel |
| 13:59.09 | DeSian | ok flaviotruzzi which Debian Lenny? |
| 13:59.14 | flaviotruzzi | yeah |
| 13:59.16 | streuner | flaviotruzzi: works here |
| 13:59.23 | streuner | unstable/sid |
| 13:59.28 | flaviotruzzi | i am using lenny RC2 |
| 13:59.29 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: you must install gestreamer plugin for sound |
| 13:59.44 | streuner | judd versions flashplayer-mozilla |
| 13:59.45 | judd | streuner: flashplayer-mozilla -- etch-multimedia: 1:9.0.152.0-0.0 lenny-multimedia: 1:10.0.15.3-0.1 sid-multimedia: 1:10.0.15.3-0.1 |
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| 14:00.10 | flaviotruzzi | Package flashplayer-mozilla is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 14:00.15 | flaviotruzzi | i need to add backports? |
| 14:00.36 | DeSian | !tell flaviotruzzi about flashplugin |
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| 14:01.23 | flaviotruzzi | i just came from archlinux, i am not used with apt :/, and name conventions |
| 14:02.02 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: install this with swfdec-mozilla in Lenny "gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg{u} gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly{u} libsidplay1{u} " |
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| 14:02.49 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#head-36edd1bc0653dcd0f38239f69fc6a70b321813d4 |
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| 14:03.02 | batman_ramirez | hello i have problems with the keyboard layout... i change to the correct one on the gnome system preference, but still does now work |
| 14:03.04 | DeSian | (When Debian 5.0 'Lenny' is released the procedure will be to obtain Flash from backports.org) |
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| 14:03.34 | DeSian | batman_ramirez: batman_ramirez show us your Xorg.conf |
| 14:03.46 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: i was reading that page, but how can i allow sid |
| 14:03.47 | DeSian | and paste it paste.debian.org |
| 14:04.12 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: add SID source in /etc/apt/sources.listt |
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| 14:04.16 | DeSian | list* |
| 14:04.31 | DeSian | !tell flatulenz about sources.list |
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| 14:05.01 | jafn | wich package has this module? |
| 14:05.03 | jafn | CGI.pm-3.05 |
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| 14:06.04 | enouf | dupondje: how you making out - those libssl versions are updated (fixed) ones, IINM - 0.9.8 |
| 14:06.37 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: add this line "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib" in your sources.list and do "aptitude update" then "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 14:06.39 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: W: Failed to fetch http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/dists/lenny/Release Unable to find expected entry SID/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 14:07.05 | flaviotruzzi | lets try |
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| 14:07.13 | enouf | !+tell jafn -about search |
| 14:07.14 | dpkg | told jafn about search. |
| 14:07.29 | batman_ramirez | nevermind.... i solve it using setxkbmap... THANKS |
| 14:07.47 | DeSian | batman_ramirez: wait use you Variant too? |
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| 14:08.10 | batman_ramirez | yes |
| 14:08.17 | batman_ramirez | it works now |
| 14:08.29 | DeSian | batman_ramirez: great |
| 14:08.36 | enouf | DeSian: and flaviotruzzi add only a 'deb-src ...' for sid you mean - (atleast for a simple sid backport) |
| 14:08.45 | batman_ramirez | it mess up when i configure the nvidia drivers |
| 14:09.05 | enouf | batman_ramirez: your gnome is broken |
| 14:09.14 | DeSian | http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title=Switch_Keyboard_layout |
| 14:09.20 | DeSian | batman_ramirez: ^^ |
| 14:09.26 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: its still not working |
| 14:09.44 | batman_ramirez | thanks for the link |
| 14:09.49 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: show us you sources.list pleas and paste it |
| 14:09.58 | batman_ramirez | enouf: what do you mean about broken gnome |
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| 14:10.44 | enouf | batman_ramirez: i mean in your gnome preferences somewhere you should have applets that enable switching keyboard layouts easily |
| 14:10.56 | batman_ramirez | they are but did not work |
| 14:11.07 | batman_ramirez | how can i fix that |
| 14:11.18 | enouf | ie; broken gnome .. dunno, i don't use gnome |
| 14:11.19 | jafn | how can i install HTML:template |
| 14:11.21 | jafn | ?? |
| 14:12.01 | batman_ramirez | ok thx anyway :D |
| 14:12.06 | DeSian | batman_ramirez: reconfigure your gnome |
| 14:12.07 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: http://paste.debian.net/27638/ |
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| 14:12.28 | dromer | hi all, I'm having alot of trouble getting my Aspire 1400 (with radeon m6 ly) at higher resolution than 800x600, I'm running debian lenny with xfce. Here's my xorg.conf http://mrtoasted.com/~dreamer/xorg.conf-radeon_m6_ly |
| 14:13.28 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: never see this API "deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main non-free" |
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| 14:13.53 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: http://stf its my repository in brazil |
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| 14:14.05 | flaviotruzzi | not my, but the mirror i use |
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| 14:14.24 | DeSian | and what is output from "aptitude update" ? |
| 14:15.10 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: http://paste.debian.net/27639/ |
| 14:15.46 | DeSian | ok then "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 14:16.32 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: http://paste.debian.net/27641/ |
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| 14:18.18 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: hmm! "apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 14:18.46 | flaviotruzzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.52 | DeSian | also |
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| 14:19.19 | DeSian | can you paste it! |
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| 14:19.26 | flaviotruzzi | okok DeSian |
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| 14:19.41 | enouf | dromer: 1st off, is ati correct? try radeon there for Driver, also add your Monitor's Vert/Hor refresh rates |
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| 14:20.02 | maf54_ | hello |
| 14:20.03 | flaviotruzzi | http://paste.debian.net/27642/ DeSian |
| 14:20.18 | maf54_ | i have AGP 4x - Intel 845G |
| 14:20.21 | maf54_ | graphics |
| 14:20.27 | enouf | dromer: ahh .. commented out, ok - well work with radeon, not vesa |
| 14:20.32 | maf54_ | and i can only get 640x480 |
| 14:21.05 | enouf | dromer: did you have fglrx installed at one time? |
| 14:21.16 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: also installed correctly. enjoy it :) |
| 14:21.36 | jelly | maf54_: which debian release are you using? |
| 14:21.48 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: but it dont work... |
| 14:21.53 | maf54_ | jelly: 4.0 |
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| 14:22.06 | DeSian | restart iceweasel flaviotruzzi |
| 14:22.09 | paxcoder | is there a TUI for checking mail on Debian? |
| 14:22.14 | dromer | enouf: nope, this is a fairly clean lenny install, ati/radeon and vesa all have the same result -> only 800x600 and 640x280 available |
| 14:22.21 | jelly | maf54_: please pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log files |
| 14:22.29 | maf54_ | jelly: alright, hold on |
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| 14:23.23 | enouf | dromer: lspci -nnk | grep VGA <--pastebin |
| 14:23.23 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: Still not working |
| 14:23.23 | flaviotruzzi | lol |
| 14:23.24 | dromer | enouf: just 1 entry, I can paste here |
| 14:23.24 | dromer | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY [1002:4c59] |
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| 14:23.36 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: maybe the problem is with java, not flash |
| 14:23.44 | enouf | dromer: you too should pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log as well - but after you use/reload using 'radeon' |
| 14:23.45 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: flaviotruzzi "pkill flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 14:24.00 | dromer | enouf: ok, brb |
| 14:25.05 | maf54_ | jelly: http://jesus.tinfoilhat.net/Xorg.0.log http://jesus.tinfoilhat.net/xorg.conf |
| 14:25.09 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: I have no proccess running flashplugin on my ps -ax |
| 14:25.20 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: I think that the problem is with java |
| 14:25.36 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: youtube.com worked or not :) |
| 14:25.44 | flaviotruzzi | not |
| 14:25.57 | DeSian | no sound no video? |
| 14:26.01 | flaviotruzzi | nothing |
| 14:26.05 | flaviotruzzi | i have that message |
| 14:26.13 | flaviotruzzi | your javascript or flash stuff |
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| 14:26.34 | DeSian | ok install java-plugin too |
| 14:26.42 | DeSian | is non-free i think! |
| 14:27.02 | flaviotruzzi | i hate my connection :/ 219kpbs/s |
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| 14:28.01 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: the package is "sun-java6-plugin" in non-free, install it and restart your browser |
| 14:28.25 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: i just finishing that |
| 14:28.28 | maf54_ | jelly: any idea? |
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| 14:28.45 | jelly | maf54_: hm. There is an updated driver in package xserver-xorg-video-intel, you could try installing that one and changing the driver from i810 to intel |
| 14:29.01 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: not working yet |
| 14:29.04 | flaviotruzzi | fuc* |
| 14:29.11 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: is installed already 'sun-java6-plugin' ? |
| 14:29.14 | flaviotruzzi | yes |
| 14:29.23 | dromer | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m7e21478f |
| 14:29.24 | flaviotruzzi | Setting up sun-java6-plugin (6-07-4) ... |
| 14:29.29 | maf54_ | jelly: eeeek, ive had problems with that driver before in other distros if it's the one i think it is, but ok |
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| 14:29.50 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: also recofigure or reinstall you webbrowser. |
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| 14:30.10 | jelly | maf54_: in lenny and above that's the only one available anyway |
| 14:30.11 | DeSian | or use epiphany or kazehakase |
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| 14:30.47 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: epiphany dont work too |
| 14:31.08 | jelly | maf54_: the version in 4.0 is a backport that might or might not help with your particular card. If it doesn't, I guess the only other thing to do is upgrade to lenny (if that is possible) |
| 14:31.09 | maf54_ | jelly: alright, ill give it a try, thnaks |
| 14:31.14 | enouf | dromer: uname -r says? |
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| 14:31.41 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: i dont know more sorry. is many expert her. they can help you :( |
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| 14:33.48 | dromer | enouf: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 14:34.20 | flaviotruzzi | anyone know how to see youtube on debian? |
| 14:35.17 | DeSian | flaviotruzzi: has flashplugin installed+sun-java plugin, but still the youtube not worked no sound no video. any idea? |
| 14:35.19 | paxcoder | flaviotruzzi: vrms package turns malicious when you try to install flash XD |
| 14:35.26 | maf54_ | jelly: wow, it worked perfectly. thank you so much :) |
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| 14:35.42 | flaviotruzzi | vrms? |
| 14:36.00 | paxcoder | vrms - virtual Richard M. Stallman |
| 14:36.05 | dromer | haha |
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| 14:36.10 | flaviotruzzi | hammm |
| 14:36.18 | paxcoder | !tell me about vrms |
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| 14:36.29 | enouf | dromer: everything i'm seeing looks ok, and also says you're 1024x768 capable - odd - hrm , look into xrandr - use cvt to generate mode lines if needed - you might need to set DisplaySize and also as i said about your Monitor refresh rates |
| 14:36.37 | flaviotruzzi | i am fine with stallman ... but her gnash dont work |
| 14:36.38 | jelly | !tell paxcoder -about msg the bot |
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| 14:36.50 | enouf | dromer: tried commenting out the UseFBDev line? |
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| 14:37.00 | Folarr | i need help |
| 14:37.06 | dromer | enouf: hmm, I'm not sure what I should use with a laptop .. |
| 14:37.07 | paxcoder | flaviotruzzi: "she" has a beard |
| 14:37.09 | etech | check in iceweasel if the flash plugin in there |
| 14:37.12 | flaviotruzzi | Folarr: me too /o\ |
| 14:37.13 | etech | about:config |
| 14:37.24 | Folarr | is there any command to check whats the server main IP? |
| 14:37.57 | flaviotruzzi | etech: no flash there |
| 14:38.05 | dromer | enouf: I believe I have tried UseFBDev initialy, but not in this session |
| 14:38.08 | Folarr | is there any command to check whats the server main IP?? |
| 14:38.16 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: ifconfig comes to mind |
| 14:38.19 | etech | flaviotruzzi, how did you install flash? |
| 14:38.26 | dromer | enouf: I was trying to continue what failed last week -_- |
| 14:38.33 | Folarr | AcTiVaTe i know |
| 14:38.35 | enouf | dromer: see wiki.x.org |
| 14:38.37 | flaviotruzzi | apt-get install |
| 14:38.37 | Folarr | but ifconfig shows alot |
| 14:38.41 | Folarr | and different things |
| 14:38.47 | Folarr | i just need to display the main ip of the box |
| 14:39.16 | Folarr | any exact command? |
| 14:39.16 | enouf | dromer: man xorg.conf and man radeon and /msg dpkg dual monitors (for urls to xrandr info) |
| 14:39.16 | flaviotruzzi | etech: apt-get |
| 14:39.17 | enouf | dromer: is that an ibm thinkpad? |
| 14:39.23 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: You have no idea which interface is connected? eth0? ra0? wifi0? |
| 14:39.27 | etech | try to remove flash(apt-get purge flashplugin-nonfree) and reinstall it |
| 14:39.27 | dromer | enouf: no, an Acer Aspire 1400 |
| 14:39.32 | Folarr | its eth0 |
| 14:39.33 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: It is your machine right? |
| 14:39.36 | enouf | dromer: see thinkwiki.org and perhaps visit .. oh |
| 14:39.40 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: So then it's the IP for eth0 |
| 14:39.42 | Folarr | its a remote box |
| 14:39.44 | Folarr | i bought it |
| 14:39.46 | Folarr | but it has 12 ips |
| 14:39.49 | Folarr | i duno whats the main ip |
| 14:39.59 | Folarr | how can i find the ip for eth0 |
| 14:40.03 | AcTiVaTe | eth0 has 12 IP's? you sure? |
| 14:40.05 | enouf | dromer: tried tuxmobil.org - find your make/model - see what others have done |
| 14:40.09 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: as I said, ifconfig |
| 14:40.15 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: ifconfig eth0 |
| 14:40.43 | Folarr | command not found |
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| 14:42.06 | enouf | dromer: heh, perhaps some useful info here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246746&page=31 |
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| 14:42.23 | Folarr | AcTiVaTe so? |
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| 14:42.35 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: Then you are not root |
| 14:42.52 | Folarr | i am root |
| 14:42.56 | Folarr | i did a typo |
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| 14:43.03 | Folarr | its showing 192.168.1.12 |
| 14:43.13 | Folarr | thats local ip i need the non-local so i can use it |
| 14:43.19 | Folarr | i cant use local cause i have remote access |
| 14:43.27 | AcTiVaTe | so how are you connected now then? |
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| 14:43.40 | Folarr | putty |
| 14:43.50 | AcTiVaTe | seems to me it will be same hostname/IP you used in putty |
| 14:44.03 | AcTiVaTe | what else would it be? |
| 14:44.17 | Folarr | yes |
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| 14:44.23 | Folarr | i get in using a ip |
| 14:44.23 | flaviotruzzi | etech: i found the problem.... apt is not installing it Oo |
| 14:44.26 | Folarr | then i give root as long |
| 14:44.29 | Folarr | and my password |
| 14:44.33 | Folarr | but i want to know the main server ip |
| 14:44.38 | Folarr | it has 12 ips as the package says |
| 14:44.40 | petemc | go to whatismyip.com |
| 14:44.52 | etech | flaviotruzzi, do you have contrib and non-free enbled? |
| 14:45.02 | milligan_ | find /mnt/backup/zips/* -mtime +6 -type f -delete <- That command will only remove files from /mnt/backup/zips/ folder ,right ? |
| 14:45.06 | etech | i am not sure but i guess flash must be in non-free |
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| 14:45.32 | flaviotruzzi | yes, but he download but not install, etech: I need to go to /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/ , then tar -xf the install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz |
| 14:45.38 | flaviotruzzi | that apt downloaded |
| 14:45.38 | enouf | milligan_: and it's subdirectories |
| 14:45.40 | flaviotruzzi | and then install |
| 14:45.51 | milligan_ | enouf, yeah.. but files only. |
| 14:45.55 | enouf | milligan_: drop the * |
| 14:46.00 | Folarr | petemc its remote |
| 14:46.07 | milligan_ | enouf, the * will make it non-recursive? |
| 14:46.12 | enouf | milligan_: yes, it'll find regular files only - 1st use echo, not -deleted |
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| 14:46.19 | Folarr | AcTiVaTe so? |
| 14:46.37 | enouf | milligan_: no, it's just not needed - see -maxdepth option to define recursion |
| 14:46.37 | rdz | hi all. i would like to write an /etc/init.d script, that can either be started/stopped as root OR as normal user without getting permission problems. my current biggest problem is that when the pidfile is created as root ,it cannot be changed as user anymore. any ideas? |
| 14:46.49 | flaviotruzzi | apt is downloading and installing in /usr/lib/mozilla/ and not in /usr/lib/iceweasel/ |
| 14:46.56 | flaviotruzzi | got etech ? |
| 14:47.09 | dromer | enouf: hmm, at tuxmobile there are 2 reports, the first one I found online myself and doesn't give much info on X11, the other one doesn't give _any_ info .. and for the ubuntu-page .. I'm not sure what use GLX rendering is going to be :P |
| 14:47.20 | petemc | Folarr: lynx -dump http://whatismyip.com |
| 14:47.23 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: So what? |
| 14:47.27 | petemc | you can grep it out of there |
| 14:47.34 | Folarr | AcTiVaTe what so what? |
| 14:47.41 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: You rent a server and you don't even know the main IP? Seems vague |
| 14:47.45 | flaviotruzzi | DeSian: you read what i need to do to get it working? |
| 14:47.47 | paxcoder | streuner: can you tell me how am i to use dpkg --force-overwrite to fix my prob? |
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| 14:47.56 | etech | flaviotruzzi, hmm that's strange |
| 14:47.57 | enouf | milligan_: and i would do "find ... | xargs rm" (or) "find ... -exec rm {} \;" rather than -delete, but that's me, i've not used -delete yet |
| 14:48.02 | AcTiVaTe | Gonna be fun when you rent a house |
| 14:48.07 | Folarr | that dont work |
| 14:48.15 | enouf | milligan_: but always replace the rm with an echo to see prior |
| 14:48.27 | etech | flaviotruzzi, but you can just remove flash with apt, and then use the adobe package |
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| 14:48.28 | petemc | Folarr: what doesnt? |
| 14:48.32 | flaviotruzzi | etech: its not my fault /o\ |
| 14:48.55 | Folarr | lynx -dump command |
| 14:48.58 | flaviotruzzi | etech: apt download the tar.gz from adobe but install it in wrong path |
| 14:48.59 | etech | flaviotruzzi, download the tar.gz und copy the flashplayer.so in the .mozilla directory in /home |
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| 14:49.09 | etech | flatulenz, do not use apt |
| 14:49.15 | Folarr | it gives a list of websites |
| 14:49.18 | Folarr | where to check my ip |
| 14:49.33 | petemc | Folarr: it does, you just dont know what you're doing |
| 14:49.35 | petemc | Folarr: lynx -dump http://whatismyip.com | grep -A1 "Your IP Address Is" |
| 14:49.51 | enouf | dromer: heh ,.. this guys xorg.conf (especially the modeline entries) seems worthy to test http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4709847&postcount=308 |
| 14:49.52 | AcTiVaTe | spoonfeeding ftw! |
| 14:49.59 | petemc | Folarr: try thinking for a second, rather than blithely repeating your question |
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| 14:50.22 | etech | flaviotruzzi, do you use 32bit debian? |
| 14:50.44 | enouf | dromer: what's supposed to be your top resolution? 1024x768? or 1400x1050? |
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| 14:51.09 | dromer | afaik 1024x768 |
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| 14:52.07 | flaviotruzzi | etech: yes |
| 14:52.12 | enouf | ok, well - then don't add the unsupported lines ;-) |
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| 14:52.17 | etech | flaviotruzzi, http://get.adobe.com/de/flashplayer/ |
| 14:52.21 | etech | download the tar.gz |
| 14:52.22 | unop | Folarr, wget -q -O - www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp |
| 14:52.29 | dromer | hehe .. ok, I'll make a new xorg.conf and see what happens ;) |
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| 14:53.30 | enouf | dromer: i don't see UseFBDev anywhere on that page - what made you enable that option? |
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| 14:54.34 | Folarr | unop that cmd only show what ip i used to connect via ssh, not the main ip |
| 14:54.36 | dusty_ | Hey guys I am trying to install postfixadmin: http://mail.linuxgeek.org.uk/postfixadmin/setup.php - but if you look at that site it moands about php5-imap, which I installed via apt-get as you can see here: http://rafb.net/p/Ds8vNR85.html also a test phpinfo page here: mail.linuxgeek.org.uk/test.php - any ideas why it warns about php5-imap not installed ? |
| 14:54.43 | dromer | hmmmw I think some other howto somewhere for this chipset .. but I commented it out because I had no idea if it was worth anything |
| 14:54.53 | dromer | enouf: I'mgoing to try that xorg.conf now |
| 14:55.00 | Folarr | unop that cmd only show what ip i used to connect via ssh, not the main ip |
| 14:55.02 | enouf | heh ~$ dig google.com | grep SERVER |
| 14:55.13 | unop | Folarr, what is the 'main ip' tho? |
| 14:55.21 | enouf | dromer: bravo - tune to taste ;-) |
| 14:55.34 | Folarr | unop i bought a server from a shell company, it has 12 ips, i want to know whats the main IP |
| 14:55.51 | Folarr | i have remote access to it, i am root |
| 14:56.01 | Folarr | i can use all 12 ips to login as root |
| 14:56.06 | Folarr | but i want to know whats the main ip |
| 14:56.15 | petemc | Folarr: how do you determine "main" ? |
| 14:56.17 | paxcoder | to answer my own question: problem at http://pastebin.com/m5371dfa4 (log readers: http://pastebin.com/f5b9c9061), the answer was "dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/djvulibre-desktop_3.5.20-8+lenny1_amd64.deb" |
| 14:56.23 | unop | Folarr, there's nothing known as a 'main ip' as they are all as important as each other |
| 14:56.37 | Folarr | main ip means from where the server ip starts |
| 14:56.48 | petemc | then the first in the range? |
| 14:56.53 | Folarr | yes |
| 14:56.53 | petemc | according to that logic |
| 14:56.57 | Folarr | how can i display the range |
| 14:56.59 | Folarr | thats what im barking |
| 14:57.01 | Folarr | from long time |
| 14:57.03 | dromer | enouf: nope :( |
| 14:57.04 | petemc | so use your eyes and brain |
| 14:57.24 | Folarr | petemc how to display it? |
| 14:57.35 | petemc | Folarr: ifconfig, if the server has all the ips configured |
| 14:57.45 | Folarr | ifconfig shows 192.168.1.12 |
| 14:57.52 | Folarr | and that looks like a local ip |
| 14:58.12 | petemc | Folarr: the first in the range isnt necessarily going to be the "main" ip |
| 14:58.25 | Folarr | it is sir |
| 14:58.27 | petemc | Folarr: you can decide which ip has a higher priority |
| 14:58.49 | Folarr | so can u tell me how to list the first ip in range |
| 14:58.51 | enouf | dromer: do you have a livecd that works correctly? see if you can boot into one, and steal the resultant xorg.conf :-P or .. look into xrandr as i mentioned to set things up - xorg.conf is supposed to be auto-configured ... so you shouldn't even need anything in there Video related |
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| 14:59.16 | petemc | Folarr: sure, ips are 4 octets, its the ip with the lowest number in the last octet |
| 14:59.25 | Folarr | sp |
| 14:59.27 | Folarr | so |
| 14:59.29 | Folarr | how can i display it |
| 14:59.30 | Folarr | :) |
| 14:59.50 | petemc | Folarr: ask whoever provides your ips |
| 15:00.01 | Folarr | if he was online |
| 15:00.02 | enouf | dromer: cvt will generate a nice modeline for you - and see what output of 'hwinfo --monitor' can tell you and output of xrandr , and glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 15:00.03 | Folarr | why will i ask u |
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| 15:00.13 | unop | Folarr, what's wrong with the IP address whatismyip.com returns? |
| 15:00.16 | petemc | Folarr: to be annoying |
| 15:00.20 | petemc | which you are being |
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| 15:01.11 | Folarr | can u tell me the command in linux to check what ips are used by a specific process? |
| 15:01.24 | Folarr | lets say im running a process "helloirc" |
| 15:01.27 | enouf | dromer: as i said about that xorg.conf, tune to taste - your monitor is obviously not the same as his, nor the resolution capabilities of the card, but it's the same make/model and PCIID |
| 15:01.29 | Folarr | and i do chmod +x helloirc |
| 15:01.32 | Folarr | and i do ./helloirc |
| 15:01.42 | AcTiVaTe | then you will run it again |
| 15:01.44 | Folarr | can i check what ip address is being used by a specific application "helloirc" |
| 15:01.48 | Folarr | ? |
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| 15:01.49 | enouf | dromer: and what does 'nope' mean exactly? |
| 15:01.50 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: netstat -tp |
| 15:01.55 | dromer | enouf: uhuh, I'm trying your commands to see what comes up |
| 15:02.11 | dromer | enouf: nope -> alas, nothing has changed to the resolution |
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| 15:02.34 | Folarr | netstat -tp |
| 15:02.37 | Folarr | only shows |
| 15:02.41 | Folarr | that im connected via ssh |
| 15:02.49 | enouf | dromer: ~$ cvt -v 1024 768 |
| 15:02.53 | Folarr | what if i want to do it for a specific application |
| 15:02.54 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: leanrn to make complete sentences instead of just bashing that enter key |
| 15:03.02 | Folarr | how to complete it |
| 15:03.03 | cads | Folarr: I think you can find out stuff like what port a given application is using |
| 15:03.06 | Folarr | netstat -tp ..... ? |
| 15:03.07 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: Then your "helloirc" is not running |
| 15:03.19 | Folarr | cads yes i know the port, how can i do so |
| 15:03.42 | dromer | enouf: hmm, I don't have hwinfo or glxinfo |
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| 15:03.57 | dromer | enouf: ah, nice, I'll try that modeline (instead of what is now?) |
| 15:03.57 | cads | Folarr: for netstat -tp, you must wait a bit before they list |
| 15:04.09 | cads | dromer they're in the package mesa-utils, or something like that |
| 15:04.27 | cads | at least glxgears is |
| 15:04.36 | Folarr | cads if the application name is "helloirc" what exactly will i type? netstat helloirc -tp |
| 15:04.37 | Folarr | or what |
| 15:05.17 | cads | I'm sorry folar, that's not my kind of thing, I could read the man page for you though :D |
| 15:05.26 | enouf | dromer: yep - have you set DisplaySize as i mentioned? how about Vert/Hor refresh? |
| 15:05.32 | Folarr | cads plz do :P |
| 15:05.39 | AcTiVaTe | cads: Let him do that, he can read it seems |
| 15:05.39 | cads | is a piss poor linux user, in many ways |
| 15:06.01 | cads | folar, I'm sorry I was roundabout: read the man page for it. |
| 15:06.08 | AcTiVaTe | netstat -tp shows all program names and ports for running programs with TCP connections |
| 15:06.17 | Folarr | thats the problem |
| 15:06.24 | Folarr | i need it UDP |
| 15:06.24 | AcTiVaTe | so if "helloirc" is not in the list it is either not running or not usign TCP |
| 15:06.26 | Folarr | not TCP |
| 15:06.31 | AcTiVaTe | ... |
| 15:06.41 | AcTiVaTe | man <command> |
| 15:06.46 | AcTiVaTe | ie. man netstat |
| 15:07.07 | Folarr | to make it easier |
| 15:07.09 | Folarr | u told me for TCP |
| 15:07.09 | AcTiVaTe | if -t does TCP what would you expect UDP to be? |
| 15:07.11 | Folarr | tell me for udp? |
| 15:07.15 | Folarr | u |
| 15:07.16 | Folarr | -u ? |
| 15:07.18 | AcTiVaTe | Try thinking |
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| 15:07.20 | AcTiVaTe | omg!! |
| 15:07.23 | dromer | enouf: I'm not sure what you mean with displaysize |
| 15:07.26 | AcTiVaTe | in one shot! |
| 15:07.32 | AcTiVaTe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:07.57 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: Can you do stuff without peeps telling you how to? :P |
| 15:08.13 | cads | Folarr, truly though mate, you need to know how to do those things, if someone gives you a command and it does _near_ what you need it to, but not exactly, then man the sucker |
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| 15:08.22 | garu | hi everyone |
| 15:08.22 | Folarr | ok netstat -up shows nothing |
| 15:08.28 | Folarr | and i know a udp program is running |
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| 15:09.15 | [gnubie] | my_desktop ==LAN1==> [PC-1] ==LAN2==> [PC-2] |
| 15:09.17 | abchirk_ | hi all what can I do that I get bash-completition also on remote dirs... with scp. It works as root... but not as a normal user. I use keys. |
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| 15:09.28 | etech | does debian show an icon in the task bar when updates are available? |
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| 15:09.40 | petemc | abchirk_: you have keys set up |
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| 15:10.04 | Folarr | AcTiVaTe so dude |
| 15:10.05 | abchirk_ | petemc yes it works fine all without password.. but not the compeltition |
| 15:10.18 | zamuro | etech: Yes, and it's annoying as hell when you're on testing or sid. |
| 15:10.19 | [gnubie] | how can i ping the PC-2 from my_desktop if the my_desktop doesn't have a route to PC-2? but my_desktop has an ssh access to PC-1.. how can i ping PC-2 from my_desktop? |
| 15:10.26 | abchirk_ | it works with root... but not as normal user |
| 15:10.27 | petemc | abchirk_: tried sourcing /etc/bash_completion ? |
| 15:10.49 | etech | zamuro, is it also on stable? |
| 15:10.55 | AcTiVaTe | Folarr: Well, I have an UDP program running and netstat -up does show it here. Go figure |
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| 15:11.29 | petemc | -p needs root privileges |
| 15:11.36 | zamuro | etech: I assume. |
| 15:11.45 | abchirk_ | petemc doesn't work. :( |
| 15:12.18 | zamuro | etech: try sudo dpkg -l | grep update-notifier |
| 15:12.24 | Folarr | AcTiVaTe i see netstat -tp but not netstat -up |
| 15:12.35 | petemc | abchirk_: you could look at roots ~/.bash files i guess, im not sure what it is |
| 15:12.39 | zamuro | That'll show you if there's an update notifier. |
| 15:12.42 | garu | can someone help me out?as soon as I start my debian etch, I get 2 errors "failed to initialize HAL" and "Power Manager this program cannot start until you start the dbus system service".can someone please help out?thanks |
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| 15:13.30 | garu | by the way, I can't move my mouse, and my eth0 interface fails to start |
| 15:13.44 | valdyn | garu: what did you do to fuck up your system? |
| 15:13.45 | maf54_ | how do i disable the display manager? |
| 15:13.59 | valdyn | !nodm |
| 15:13.59 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 15:14.06 | Ancho | Folarr: you can also try lsof -i -n |
| 15:14.35 | Folarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.35 | Folarr | -bash: lsof: command not found |
| 15:14.42 | valdyn | !installit |
| 15:14.43 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 15:14.43 | AcTiVaTe | apt-get install lsof |
| 15:14.44 | asg | !installit |
| 15:14.44 | maf54_ | thanks |
| 15:14.59 | petemc | !engage brain |
| 15:15.09 | Folarr | what will lsof do? |
| 15:15.18 | valdyn | Folarr: rtfm? |
| 15:15.21 | AcTiVaTe | !ebay brain |
| 15:15.28 | cusco | list open files |
| 15:15.29 | Ancho | lol |
| 15:15.30 | Folarr | ;s |
| 15:16.40 | garu | valdyn I was just setting up openLDAP!and everything was fine.did many restarts, and nothing went wrong.the last thing I did after the last restart was try to setup ssl and did a chown -R...!and when I restarted...bang...error... |
| 15:17.01 | valdyn | guk: i guess you chown -R the wrong stuff |
| 15:17.04 | valdyn | gah |
| 15:17.09 | valdyn | garu: ^^ |
| 15:17.17 | garu | valdyn I chown ssl |
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| 15:18.04 | valdyn | garu: tell us what exactly you chowned |
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| 15:18.13 | garu | valdyn I was meant to do chown -R openldap ssl, but I couldnt seem to find any openldap, so I chown -R ssl!is there a way of fixing that? |
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| 15:18.30 | enouf | [09:38:40] <enouf> dromer: see wiki.x.org [09:39:06] <enouf> dromer: man xorg.conf and man radeon and /msg dpkg dual monitors (for urls to xrandr info) |
| 15:18.48 | valdyn | garu: i still dont know which files you chowned |
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| 15:19.56 | garu | valdyn the exact command was chown -R root openLDAP ssl! |
| 15:20.15 | valdyn | garu: being at which directory did you run that command? |
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| 15:20.39 | garu | valdyn /etc/ldap |
| 15:20.47 | garu | valdyn and I also did in just in /etc |
| 15:21.14 | valdyn | garu: ok, let me try some guessing: whats the output of "ls -l /etc/X11" |
| 15:21.23 | garu | valdyn I can't get my mouse to work, but I can get to the terminal. |
| 15:21.33 | valdyn | garu: or ls -ld /etc/hal |
| 15:21.33 | garu | valdyn just a sec |
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| 15:22.46 | valdyn | garu: actually, maybe you can paste the whole output of "ls -lR /etc" on a paste site |
| 15:22.52 | valdyn | !pastepipe |
| 15:22.56 | valdyn | !paste pipe |
| 15:22.56 | dpkg | pipe: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 15:23.03 | valdyn | gah |
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| 15:23.07 | valdyn | !listkey pipe |
| 15:23.09 | valdyn | !listkeys pipe |
| 15:23.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'pipe' by key (15 of 16): #debian lesspipe ;; _default tar pipe ;; billie piper ;; crack pipes ;; here's the crack pipe ;; lesspipe ;; pastebin pipe ;; pastebinpipe ;; pipeburst cache ;; pipeline ;; pipeline burst cache ;; pipepipe ;; pipesmoker ;; tar pipe ;; thinks apt-pipe. |
| 15:23.12 | enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 15:23.12 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 15:23.18 | valdyn | enouf: thanks |
| 15:23.20 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 15:25.11 | themill | paste.dyndns.org is back up, btw |
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| 15:25.51 | garu | valdyn just got the output of the first command u told me to use...I'm just typing the whole output on notepad, so that I can put it in pastebin...lol |
| 15:26.07 | valdyn | garu: uh |
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| 15:26.49 | valdyn | garu: since you cant paste its probably more promising to find the precise errors, as im only speculating that you fucked up permissions |
| 15:26.55 | naitram | I need to create a deb package from an app i built on my machine Asterisk1.2.20, the version with etch is 1.2.?? is the control file used to create the package available so I can just change a couple of things and then make my own .deb? |
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| 15:28.10 | saulus | how do I turn on user_xattr in vservers? I need attr for samba4 |
| 15:28.31 | saulus | msg dpkg etch |
| 15:28.41 | garu | valdyn lol |
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| 15:30.22 | naitram | what is the easiest way to create a .deb from an app i have built on my machine from source? |
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| 15:31.05 | garu | valdyn I did chmod 640 ssl/ldap.pem and chmod 750 ssl! |
| 15:31.18 | mquin | naitram: if it uses autoconf (./configure), take a look at dh-make |
| 15:31.49 | valdyn | garu: so find out why exactly hal is not starting, try runnign it |
| 15:32.46 | geaaru | is there a way to remove a package without call postrm script... because i have an old laptop where scrollkeeper exit with |
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| 15:32.50 | geaaru | a segfault error |
| 15:32.59 | geaaru | and so i can remove gnome-desktop-data package |
| 15:33.07 | garu | valdyn how do I run it? |
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| 15:33.34 | geaaru | *scrollkeeper-update |
| 15:33.42 | valdyn | garu: /etc/init.d/hal start or /usr/sbin/hald as root |
| 15:34.19 | garu | valdyn ok |
| 15:34.54 | naitram | mquin: will that create a package with the binary ready for install? so after built can add to mirror for install to other machines |
| 15:35.22 | mquin | yes |
| 15:35.44 | naitram | mquin: thanks, will give it a try |
| 15:35.56 | mquin | it'll prepare the package, you woudl then use dpkg-buildpackage which if everything goes well will produce a .deb file in .. |
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| 15:36.52 | saulus | is there a channel for vservers? Im looking for experts |
| 15:36.55 | garu | valdyn tried it with the /etc/init.d/hal start it said "no such file or directory", but tried it with the /usr/sbin/hald as root, and it accepted the command...how do I check if its started now? |
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| 15:37.27 | valdyn | garu: /etc/init.d/hal does not exist? |
| 15:37.35 | valdyn | garu: how the hell did you delete it? |
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| 15:37.57 | garu | saulus usually I use the channels for the type of servers I'm using! |
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| 15:38.23 | garu | saulus and I also use the channel for the virtualization app that I use! |
| 15:38.44 | saulus | garu: I use debian-vservers-686 -> so debian might be the right channel? |
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| 15:38.48 | garu | valdyn trying to fix it! |
| 15:39.26 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 15:39.26 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 15:39.29 | valdyn | garu: ^^^ |
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| 15:39.54 | sk4 | !force |
| 15:39.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, force is a widely known, and not so well documented *cough* redhat /feature/. It's suppose to break.... right? |
| 15:40.09 | herakles | Hi, my syslog file includes lots of these lines: named[1659]: client 69.64.87.156#58666: query (cache) './NS/IN' denied I've added "named: 69.64.87.156" but it didn't work. Is there anything I have to do after modifying /etc/hosts.deny? |
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| 15:40.53 | garu | valdyn was that confmiss for me? |
| 15:40.57 | sk4 | !bind |
| 15:40.58 | dpkg | methinks bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "aptitude install bind9-doc", or try #bind, or <bind9 chroot> |
| 15:41.06 | valdyn | garu: yes, /etc/init.d/hal is a config file |
| 15:41.28 | garu | valdyn would that work if I hav no internet connection? |
| 15:41.35 | enouf | sk4: /msg dpkg msgthebot |
| 15:41.53 | sk4 | thisis for herakles |
| 15:42.00 | valdyn | garu: if you have the package at /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 15:42.09 | themill | herakles: there was a recent article on debian-administration.org about how to cope with these things using fail2ban. Have a look... |
| 15:42.13 | herakles | sk4, Well my questions is about hosts.deny |
| 15:42.17 | enouf | garu: if the pkg was originally once installed and you didn't run say apt-get autoremove, yes |
| 15:42.25 | valdyn | herakles: youre denying that host, whats the problem? |
| 15:42.27 | herakles | themill, Thank you |
| 15:42.38 | garu | valdyn would package name be hal? |
| 15:42.43 | saulus | Trying to make samba4 work on a debian-vservers guest, i need user_xattr. How do I enable this? |
| 15:42.44 | valdyn | garu: yes |
| 15:42.44 | garu | enough thanks ;) |
| 15:43.03 | herakles | valdyn, It can still makes the queries (I'm watching with tail -f /var/log/syslog) |
| 15:43.13 | valdyn | saulus: ask a samba4 specific forum |
| 15:43.40 | valdyn | herakles: it gets denied as you showed |
| 15:44.02 | enouf | saulus: i think you first need to ensure your kernel has support for it - but not sure |
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| 15:44.14 | garu | valdyn thanks... |
| 15:44.16 | herakles | valdyn, Yes, but I want to block the IP, so he/she can't try anymore |
| 15:44.36 | valdyn | herakles: thats not what hosts.deny does, that file is not a firewall nor a configuration for a firewall |
| 15:44.50 | enouf | perhaps it's just a 'mount' specific option for the FStype though |
| 15:45.03 | herakles | valdyn, Thanks |
| 15:45.16 | valdyn | herakles: its good style and polite to reply with useful errors to peers |
| 15:45.21 | themill | valdyn, herakles: it's apparently part of a DDOS attack whereby you generate packets back to the victim IP address telling them they're denied. But the client already is denied so it doesn't help. |
| 15:45.27 | saulus | enouf: my server has support for this. My vserver doesnt. I need to mount with user_xattrs - but i dont know how |
| 15:45.30 | batman_ramirez | what is the group i have to add to my username... to mount partitions? |
| 15:45.56 | herakles | valdyn, Sorry, you're right, but only error was that line |
| 15:45.58 | themill | saulus: plugdev |
| 15:45.59 | enouf | saulus: how do you know your vserver does not? |
| 15:46.17 | enouf | buntfalke: plugdev is usually the one |
| 15:46.20 | themill | batman_ramirez: plugdev |
| 15:46.24 | enouf | er batman_ramirez |
| 15:46.33 | themill | watches everyone misfire on the tab completion at once |
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| 15:46.35 | valdyn | herakles: im sure someone made a fail2ban script for bind |
| 15:46.38 | batman_ramirez | allright |
| 15:46.38 | dkr | batman_ramirez: if you add the "user" option to the entry in fstab then users can mount |
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| 15:46.55 | herakles | valdyn, I'm looking for it now |
| 15:46.56 | dkr | or that, heh. (plugdev) |
| 15:46.59 | enouf | batman_ramirez: and if you use 'users' anyone can umount |
| 15:47.01 | valdyn | herakles: maybe you want to look into that, or maybe just ignore this issue, which isnt really an issue as long is the amount of traffic does not get out of hand |
| 15:47.21 | valdyn | herakles: you certainly could block just that ip via iptables, but i do not think that that is very useful |
| 15:47.23 | themill | valdyn, herakles: there is, it's on debian-administration.org |
| 15:47.26 | saulus | enouf: i mean: my host is willing to perform setfattr. My gust tells me: (LC_ALL=C setfattr -n user.test -v test test.txt; setfattr: test.txt: Operation not supported) |
| 15:48.03 | herakles | valdyn, themill: Thanks again, I'm looking for fail2ban now |
| 15:48.15 | themill | valdyn: it's more that you're contributing to a DDOS so it's not so much your traffic as the poor bugger at the other end. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/623 |
| 15:49.05 | enouf | saulus: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/fs/cifs/README#L147 |
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| 15:50.41 | enouf | saulus: i don't see anything specific in my 2.6.26-1-686 lenny kernel when i do "modinfo cifs" about enabling that feature ... hrmmm |
| 15:51.47 | valdyn | themill: hmm, interesting, guess i should protect my bind then |
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| 15:52.31 | themill | valdyn: perhaps... I've not decided whether it's worth doing just yet as there are some side effects in doing so. |
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| 15:55.04 | saulus | what did you expect enouf ? my root is mounted as: /dev/mapper/lvm--raid-root on / type ext3 (rw,user_xattr,errors=remount-ro). My guest-root is mounted as: /dev/hdv1 on / type ufs (defaults). I need a way to pass user_xattr to the mount option, but the file system /dev/hdv1 is not listed on my HOST:/etc/vservers/myvserver/fstab |
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| 15:55.49 | cinch | hi, question: ive attached my mp3 player via usb.. and it only transfers slowly (usb 1.1), how do i configure the usb system to use usb 2.0? |
| 15:57.02 | enouf | saulus: and this is why the module doesn't have those -> CONFIG_CIFS_XATTR=y CONFIG_CIFS_POSIX=y :-) |
| 15:57.03 | cinch | kdeinfocenter shows its currently attached under uhci host controller (usb version 1.1) |
| 15:57.15 | icenine | I'm following http://debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 15:57.24 | icenine | to install from within another linux install |
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| 15:57.44 | icenine | and, it tells me to reference /dev/hda or sda when installing grub but there is no device in /dev for it |
| 15:57.49 | icenine | should I just mknod it? |
| 15:57.58 | enouf | saulus: ufs? ewww |
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| 15:59.19 | valdyn | themill: why the hell is that howto suggesting chmod a+w /var/log/named |
| 15:59.27 | valdyn | fucked up |
| 15:59.37 | themill | valdyn: nfc. That seems moronic to me too. |
| 15:59.47 | valdyn | themill: theres already a bind user anyway |
| 15:59.58 | saulus | enouf: egrep "CONFIG_CIFS_XATTR|CONFIG_CIFS_POSIX" /boot/config-2.6.26-1-vserver-686 -> CONFIG_CIFS_XATTR=y \n CONFIG_CIFS_POSIX=y |
| 16:00.04 | enouf | icenine: mknod is kind of er .. deprecated - try /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 16:00.05 | themill | valdyn: yes, that's noted in the comments. |
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| 16:00.10 | garu | enough valdyn it after trying that command to reinstall hal, it gave me an error message "reloading system message bus config...Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory". |
| 16:00.13 | themill | dpkg: tell icenine about grubchroot |
| 16:00.32 | enouf | saulus: no idea mate - sorry - that's all i know |
| 16:00.41 | saulus | ok, thank you |
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| 16:01.18 | enouf | cinch: modprobe ehci_hcd |
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| 16:01.35 | enouf | cinch: are you sure your system supports usb 2.0? |
| 16:01.57 | yareckon | hi kids, just moved some email from one postfix user home directory to another, and it's not showing up in the new users listings in thunderbird... do I need to register new folders or something? These are subfolders of Inbox. Inbox is stored in /var/spool/mail and user submailboxes are stored in /home/mail/ |
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| 16:02.19 | garu | enough valdyn when I try to use the same command to reinstall dbus, I get the error "invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed. dpkg:error processing dbus (--configure):subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 134 Errors where encountered while processing:dbus"! |
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| 16:02.49 | yareckon | perms are the same on source and destination ... just different owner (the user I'm trying to move the data to) |
| 16:02.57 | yareckon | any thoughts what I might be missing? |
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| 16:03.34 | bas-i | Is ftp.nl.debian.org flakey today? |
| 16:03.42 | enouf | cinch: uhci and ohci are for 1.1 only - ehci for 2.0 - check lspci -vv and lsusb -v outputs - also an easy way might be to grep dmesg for 'high speed' or '2.0' or similar - but lshw -html > lshw.output will show you |
| 16:03.51 | enouf | cinch: don't pm me |
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| 16:03.57 | bas-i | Slow as a dog. |
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| 16:04.22 | enouf | cinch: yeah, a Core2Duo machine def has usb 2.0 :-P |
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| 16:05.48 | danners | when i have a system with mixed lenny/experimental packages, how can i say if a package is that is installed is from experimental? |
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| 16:07.07 | valdyn | garu: edit the postinst script at /var/lib/dpkg/info/dbus.postinst , add -x to the first line, and then try configuring dbus again, like dpkg --configure -a |
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| 16:07.42 | garu | valdyn ok |
| 16:07.51 | valdyn | garu: hmm no, we already know what that would give |
| 16:08.29 | valdyn | garu: do the same thing at /etc/init.d/dbus |
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| 16:15.30 | MisafirX38440 | hey |
| 16:15.30 | MisafirX38440 | hi |
| 16:15.33 | MisafirX38440 | Tcl cannot be found on this system. |
| 16:15.33 | MisafirX38440 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.33 | MisafirX38440 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.33 | MisafirX38440 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:16.06 | MisafirX38440 | heyy |
| 16:16.13 | MisafirX38440 | what is this problem? |
| 16:16.19 | MisafirX38440 | Tcl cannot be found on this system. |
| 16:16.35 | asg | MisafirX38440: so, install tcl |
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| 16:17.25 | garu | valdyn on that postinst file ,when I'm editing it to ad the -x to the first line, would that be the line where it starts as "set -e" ? |
| 16:17.28 | asg | or the tcl *-dev packages if you are compiling something |
| 16:18.47 | valdyn | garu: #!/bin/sh is my first line |
| 16:19.47 | garu | valdyn so #!/bin/sh would become #!-x/bin/sh ? |
| 16:20.00 | garu | valdyn or do I have to give it a space? |
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| 16:20.47 | naitram | Is debian 5 soon to be released as stable |
| 16:20.52 | valdyn | garu: "#!/bin/sh -x" |
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| 16:20.58 | dromer | enouf: wth http://pastebin.com/m1d6e98c1 .. I honestly thought this was 800x600 o.O .. xfce display-config must be seriously broken -_- |
| 16:21.04 | garu | valdyn thanks |
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| 16:26.45 | garu | valdyn still, "error processing dbus. post installation script returned error exit status 134 dpkg dependency problems prevent configuration of hal: hal depends on dbus however package dbus is not yet configured" |
| 16:27.28 | valdyn | garu: no, just run "/etc/init.d/dbus restart" |
| 16:27.51 | garu | valdyn ok |
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| 16:28.54 | O_oowned | help | i installed vlc player but when ran it says no decoder and fata error |
| 16:29.07 | O_oowned | how can i install decoder ? |
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| 16:33.18 | garu | valdyn when I do that, it gets going, but when it starts system message bus: dbus+...after a while it gives me "dbus-daemon: ldap-nss.c:1376: do_init:Assertion 'cfg->ldc_uris[__session.ls_current_uri] != ((void *)0)' failed /etc/init.d/dbus: line 47: 4329 aborted start-stop-daemon --start --quiet..." |
| 16:33.18 | O_oowned | will nobody reply ??/ |
| 16:33.38 | O_oowned | man some one tell me how to make play video and audio files in my sidux kde4 |
| 16:33.48 | O_oowned | prev when using old version of kde it was fine |
| 16:33.52 | valdyn | garu: now what is at line 47 exactly? |
| 16:33.57 | O_oowned | latestly updated to kde4 |
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| 16:34.01 | O_oowned | and its not playing |
| 16:34.03 | O_oowned | says no decoder |
| 16:34.08 | O_oowned | how can i install a decoder |
| 16:34.15 | O_oowned | apt-gget install ___________ what name ? |
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| 16:34.29 | themill | O_oowned: /msg dpkg sidux ; /msg dpkg kde4 ; /msg dpkg enter ; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 16:34.38 | garu | valdyn on the /etc/init.d/dbus? |
| 16:34.44 | valdyn | garu: sure |
| 16:35.02 | asg | !apt wrench |
| 16:35.03 | dpkg | * HaQDaQ wants to use apt-get agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain greycat> HaQDaQ: then do so. HaQDaQ> it doesn't work anymore... dependency erros : greycat> HaQDaQ: fix them. HaQDaQ> greycat: how ? greycat> HaQDaQ: with an apt wrench. Are you going to ask any more stupid questions? * HaQDaQ is linux n00b, and how to apt wrench ? HaQDaQ> greycat: how to apt wrench ? |
| 16:35.05 | valdyn | garu: but you can also see already that its that failing at ldap, which is where you did stuff |
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| 16:35.42 | Hey | in irc how to Securit for Botnet? |
| 16:35.47 | Hey | in irc how to Security for Botnet? |
| 16:36.00 | Hey | atack |
| 16:36.04 | O_oowned | themill : apt-get install and followed by thiose parameters ? |
| 16:36.13 | asg | Hey: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 16:36.32 | genin | anyone know of a good place to look up 3g phone video streaming |
| 16:36.38 | genin | ive got debian with asterisk |
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| 16:37.01 | asg | O_oowned: #sidux (ask them) |
| 16:37.18 | O_oowned | in that room nobody is there |
| 16:37.22 | genin | looking ot take 3g phone calls and use a media server to stream live video |
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| 16:37.24 | O_oowned | only a bot |
| 16:37.46 | asg | perhaps you should choose a better supported distro |
| 16:37.54 | O_oowned | themill: plz do tell me how to enter that command |
| 16:38.05 | themill | dpkg: tell O_oowned about sidux |
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| 16:38.33 | themill | O_oowned: They're things that you should ask the bot called "dpkg" about. dpkg will have just sent you a message |
| 16:38.36 | garu | valdyn at line 47 it has something that starts with { if [! -d $PIDDIR]; then mkdir -p $PIDDIR chon $DAEMONUSER $PIDDIR chgrp $DAEMONUSER $PIDDIR... |
| 16:38.39 | O_oowned | when copied and pasted directly it says /msg no such dir |
| 16:38.49 | asg | *facepalm* |
| 16:39.29 | amphi | heh |
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| 16:39.55 | et | sudo mkdir /msg |
| 16:40.08 | Heliodor | Hello, i changed the MAC adress for the network card on my virtual machine that runs Debian 4.0. Now it does not find any network device on reboot. |
| 16:40.12 | valdyn | garu: you need to revert your ldap changes |
| 16:40.20 | valdyn | garu: i dont want to debug this |
| 16:40.21 | Heliodor | Doesnt debian scan for network cards on boot? |
| 16:40.30 | et | hmm. "sudo ln `reboot` /msg" rather |
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| 16:41.16 | garu | valdyn if I reinstall ldap, would that fix the problem?I dont mind reinstalling ldap...or just removing it, to fix dbus and hal, and then starting all over with ldap! |
| 16:41.35 | O_oowned | when tried oftc.org remaining as server found , connecting.... |
| 16:41.39 | valdyn | garu: just reinstalling does not fix the config files |
| 16:41.39 | O_oowned | for long time |
| 16:41.43 | O_oowned | help plz |
| 16:41.44 | enouf | dromer: i knew xrandr would help :-P |
| 16:41.49 | dromer | hehe |
| 16:41.52 | valdyn | garu: you need to delete those and use confmiss as dpkg explained above |
| 16:42.08 | themill | O_oowned: try /server irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:42.25 | garu | valdyn delete what? |
| 16:42.51 | valdyn | garu: that config files that you changed |
| 16:43.22 | dromer | it helped me realise that 1) I'm way used to much higher resolutions and 2) xfce's config panel is completely borked |
| 16:43.35 | garu | valdyn I'm going to completely remove ldap and all the stuff I installed with it, and then do the confmiss thing. |
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| 16:45.03 | garu | valdyn thanks alot for ur patience... ;) |
| 16:45.11 | valdyn | garu: welcome |
| 16:45.19 | enouf | +yo |
| 16:45.29 | garu | enough yeah, u to :) |
| 16:45.37 | enouf | ugh |
| 16:45.43 | enouf | ;-) |
| 16:45.44 | garu | I'm going to send u guys a quite alot of packs of beers |
| 16:45.45 | garu | lol |
| 16:47.02 | Heliodor | umm, how do i mount the CD? |
| 16:47.39 | genin | mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
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| 16:48.11 | Heliodor | Thanks a lot! |
| 16:48.22 | genin | thank me if it works ;) |
| 16:48.25 | genin | and your welcome |
| 16:48.53 | genin | i havent been next to a linux server in a long time, always remote |
| 16:49.09 | Heliodor | Me 2, thats why i asked |
| 16:49.10 | Heliodor | :) |
| 16:49.19 | Heliodor | Argh, requires a package |
| 16:49.27 | genin | umount to unmount it |
| 16:49.36 | Heliodor | and it still dont find any network card so cant fetch the package |
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| 16:49.41 | d-b | genin: /media/cdrom .... |
| 16:49.43 | genin | apt-get ... :/ |
| 16:49.52 | genin | ah ok |
| 16:50.01 | genin | im still in slackware 3.6 mode |
| 16:50.18 | Heliodor | genin: I changed the mac adress on the network card, so now debian wont find the device |
| 16:50.38 | d-b | Heliodor: doesn;t matter ^^ |
| 16:50.55 | d-b | its there..... |
| 16:50.57 | Heliodor | Thats what i thought! |
| 16:51.06 | Heliodor | but it wont find it |
| 16:51.08 | d-b | restart udev ? |
| 16:51.10 | Heliodor | and that the only thing i changed |
| 16:51.12 | Heliodor | udev? |
| 16:51.49 | Batchy | the debian udev rules create a new device name for each mac adress it detects |
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| 16:52.10 | Heliodor | ah |
| 16:52.15 | Batchy | maybe you should have look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 16:53.13 | CrEaTuRe_2 | so like |
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| 16:53.19 | Heliodor | Found an eth0 there. |
| 16:53.22 | Masuka | Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai |
| 16:53.24 | Heliodor | Batchy: |
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| 16:54.19 | Heliodor | Batchy: So i just remove the line and a new one is automagically created? |
| 16:54.40 | Batchy | if the old line match the old MAC, then delete it |
| 16:54.57 | Heliodor | Batchy: Aight, thanks so very much! |
| 16:57.57 | garu | enough I think I fixed it.lol |
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| 16:58.20 | d-b | Heliodor: or use it as eth1 -> which it probably is showing up as now ... |
| 16:58.28 | garu | enough valdyn I think I fixed that problem.lol |
| 16:58.51 | Heliodor | d-b: No eth0 |
| 16:58.55 | Heliodor | only |
| 16:58.56 | d-b | really ? |
| 16:58.59 | d-b | ok |
| 16:59.26 | garu | now, can someone please tell me how do I restart, or if it is possible to restart or shutdown debian etch from the terminal? |
| 16:59.47 | \amethyst | garu: shutdown -r now |
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| 17:00.08 | Heliodor | I get "no such device" |
| 17:00.11 | Heliodor | on boot |
| 17:00.24 | Heliodor | This is getting on my nerves. |
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| 17:01.39 | garu | \amethyst thanks alot ;) |
| 17:02.00 | MatBoy | does debian not have a nscd to flush the dns cache ? |
| 17:02.21 | d-b | MatBoy: just restart networking.... |
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| 17:04.22 | \amethyst | MatBoy: if you don't have nscd installed, it's not doing any caching |
| 17:04.29 | \amethyst | MatBoy: your DNS server is also doing caching |
| 17:05.26 | MatBoy | \amethyst: weird, I have the idea that it is caching something which is not in my records |
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| 17:05.37 | MatBoy | and ndcs is not installed |
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| 17:05.57 | enouf | Heliodor: seen /msg dpkg z25 (relating to that 70 info given to you) |
| 17:06.43 | \amethyst | MatBoy: you're running the DNS server? |
| 17:06.57 | enouf | Heliodor: not sure which release/version you're using - though i'd you'd only have one or the other versions of udev, however - sometimes, old cruft somehow remains :-P |
| 17:07.12 | enouf | Heliodor: did you use a tool like ifrename or something? |
| 17:07.15 | \amethyst | MatBoy: perhaps you have mdns enabled for hosts in nsswitch.conf and avahi is getting to it before the DNS server? |
| 17:07.23 | MatBoy | \amethyst: yep |
| 17:07.48 | Heliodor | Ah, found the problem it seem to be virtualbox or debian related. |
| 17:07.53 | Heliodor | http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/660 |
| 17:08.01 | Heliodor | Il just run ubuntu server instead! |
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| 17:10.26 | Heliodor | Removing /etc/udev/z25_persistent-net.rules did the trick |
| 17:10.48 | MatBoy | Heliodor: is the same issue on vmware |
| 17:10.56 | MatBoy | just a mac-address change |
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| 17:11.21 | enouf | Heliodor: so - z25 bit you in the ass? :-) |
| 17:11.50 | Heliodor | Yep, hard to! |
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| 17:12.05 | MrWax | Does anyone know how I can check a directory full of files for a certain string? |
| 17:12.07 | enouf | Heliodor: you forgot /rules.d/ in your path there |
| 17:12.13 | MrWax | cat * | grep "string" |
| 17:12.22 | MrWax | But how do I know now which file(s) contain this line? |
| 17:12.29 | enouf | rgrep string dir/ |
| 17:12.29 | Heliodor | Saw that now :) |
| 17:13.00 | enouf | grep will spit out text and filename - use -l for just filenames |
| 17:13.34 | enouf | rgrep == grep -R ... man grep :-P |
| 17:13.40 | MrWax | yep |
| 17:13.41 | MrWax | thanks |
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| 17:17.47 | Heliodor | Ah maan... now when the lampp server is running, every request takes for ever. |
| 17:18.06 | Heliodor | And when i get served the request it comes lightning fast, but it seem to be waiting for something |
| 17:18.26 | dupondje | enouf: what to do now :) new key is again 'blacklisted' :( |
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| 17:18.47 | enouf | dupondje: why? |
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| 17:19.06 | enouf | dupondje: your key making procedure stinks! :-P |
| 17:19.17 | dupondje | lol |
| 17:19.21 | enouf | dupondje: uname -r |
| 17:19.31 | dupondje | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 17:19.36 | enouf | \o/ |
| 17:19.41 | dromer | hi all, I'm trying to run compiz with xfce, but since emerald is not in lennyZ how can I add window-decorations and have a way of controlling my windows? |
| 17:20.31 | enouf | dupondje: all i can suggest is go over all the steps in that wiki.debian.org/SSL tut - use the tools, etc |
| 17:21.16 | enouf | eeerr http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
| 17:22.03 | Heliodor | is there no way to search for packages? |
| 17:22.12 | enouf | dromer: what does "controlling my windows" mean? |
| 17:22.26 | enouf | !tell Heliodor -about ubuntu |
| 17:22.26 | enouf | :-P |
| 17:22.33 | enouf | !tell Heliodor -about search |
| 17:22.40 | dupondje | COMPROMISED: 2048 10:f9:00:ef:cb:5a:e4:dc:85:f0:1b:02:cc:5c:63:5c /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub |
| 17:22.49 | dupondje | while I just created it with ssh-keygen ... |
| 17:22.49 | enouf | w00h00 |
| 17:22.49 | dupondje | :( |
| 17:22.57 | Heliodor | Im not running ubuntu! |
| 17:23.23 | themill | dupondje: then you failed at applying updates. You'll need to aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade. /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
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| 17:23.32 | enouf | dupondje: ls -l /dev/{zero,null,random,urandom} <-- pastebin |
| 17:24.14 | cognitiaclaeves | I have a production box running bind that I'm trying to patch, but for some reason, apt-get update is reporting 404 not found. I think it's running sarge... |
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| 17:24.22 | enouf | themill: i've already walked him through all that .. earlier today .. he did have a -4-686 kernel and older libssl* .. but now no more |
| 17:24.23 | dupondje | http://pastebin.com/m71b63e3b |
| 17:24.28 | dromer | enouf: ehm, having a border with 'clicky-buttons' around my windows :P (like maximise, kill, options for placing windowsat specific desktops etc.) I think there's a kde and gtk decorator, but they handle stuff for those window-managers .. so what to do with xfce? |
| 17:24.30 | g_ | Does anyone know is there's a debian ppc live cd? |
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| 17:24.40 | Heliodor | Ok, thanks |
| 17:24.45 | enouf | themill: just to catch you up on it |
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| 17:25.08 | themill | enouf: yeah, thanks... sure it's updated libssl stuff now? |
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| 17:25.38 | dupondje | themill: ii libssl0.9.8 0.9.8e-4 SSL shared libraries |
| 17:25.59 | sosnix | where is defautl patch to php ? |
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| 17:26.05 | themill | dupondje: that's a vulnerable version |
| 17:26.14 | enouf | themill: he showed me this earlier ; bah |
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| 17:26.19 | themill | dupondje: and that is *not* an etch system |
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| 17:26.24 | enouf | oh crap .. it is? |
| 17:26.30 | enouf | omg ... |
| 17:26.48 | Heliodor | Umm.. it says to install kernel headers for version 2.6.24 but it dont exist in the repository |
| 17:26.49 | themill | yeah, that's one of the vulnerable versions from lenny |
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| 17:26.55 | enouf | themill: i thought anything above 0.9.8 was ok - my bad dupondje |
| 17:26.58 | sosnix | how check deafut patch to php? |
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| 17:27.13 | enouf | but .. you fail .. i told you all about security and dist-upgrade |
| 17:27.21 | enouf | ewww |
| 17:27.37 | themill | dist-upgrade wouldn't catch it though because it's an etch+old-lenny mix |
| 17:27.54 | g_ | Is there a debian power pc live cd? |
| 17:28.06 | enouf | right - and here i was thinking Etch only on a production server using an older 2.6.18-4-686 kernel .. ugh |
| 17:28.10 | themill | notes that this is why mixing releases is a bad thing to do |
| 17:28.32 | paulfm | Can someone please help me understand why a .deb listed in the experimental branch for etch doesnt appear in aptitude - even though I have an experimental source added to my sources? |
| 17:29.06 | themill | dupondje: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy; aptitude search '~o' |
| 17:29.06 | paulfm | Aptitude updates its list of experimental packages - verifying that my sources enty is good |
| 17:29.23 | themill | paulfm: there is no experimental branch for etch |
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| 17:29.44 | enouf | themill: speakin of the devil .. heh |
| 17:29.49 | dupondje | themill: http://pastebin.com/d41f4178d |
| 17:29.54 | enouf | mixing Etch + experimental :-P |
| 17:30.00 | Heliodor | Is 4.0 = lenny? |
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| 17:30.08 | enouf | 4.x is yes |
| 17:30.26 | enouf | er .. yeah, 4.0rX i meant |
| 17:30.31 | Heliodor | how can i check what version i am running? |
| 17:30.34 | enouf | GAH |
| 17:30.35 | paulfm | enouf: really.... I cant do that?... that kinda makes sense- but I do see other experimental builds of the same package in there |
| 17:30.50 | enouf | Heliodor: it's ETCH .. i thought you asked if it was ETCH! |
| 17:30.57 | Heliodor | hehe, okay :) |
| 17:30.59 | Heliodor | tahnks |
| 17:31.00 | Heliodor | thanks* |
| 17:31.01 | enouf | 5.0 is lenny |
| 17:31.05 | sosnix | Hey |
| 17:31.10 | Heliodor | lenny isnt released yet right? |
| 17:31.12 | paulfm | themill: Youre right... I never looked at it that way |
| 17:31.14 | enouf | right |
| 17:31.15 | sosnix | how can i chceck patch to programs in etch ?? |
| 17:31.19 | enouf | not yet ... |
| 17:31.28 | sosnix | how i can check patch file to program |
| 17:31.40 | paulfm | so I guess... how do I get an experimental package into my etch install? |
| 17:31.41 | themill | dupondje: right... etch-proposed-updates as well :( what a mess. (bah... aptitude search ~o is a lenny+ thing). |
| 17:31.55 | sosnix | ? |
| 17:32.47 | dupondje | themill: Only etch & etch-proposed-updates was in sources.list ... |
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| 17:32.56 | dupondje | No id how lenny packages came in |
| 17:32.59 | enouf | sosnix: i don't understand your query |
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| 17:33.27 | enouf | dupondje: some other admin in the past/present/future? |
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| 17:33.32 | dupondje | prolly :( |
| 17:33.48 | themill | dupondje: my suggestion is that you remove etch-proposed-updates from your sources.list for the time being. aptitude update. then "/msg dpkg obsolete" and make sure that you don't have lots of other stale packages from an old version of lenny or etch-p-u. You will have to force the installation of etch's version of libssl0.9.8 with "aptitude install libssl0.0.9=0.9.8c-4etch3" that will hopefully force all the ssl stuff back to the etch versions. |
| 17:33.54 | enouf | dupondje: you might like/want apt-show-versions |
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| 17:34.32 | paulfm | Anyone got any ideas on how I can install a experiments .deb in etch? |
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| 17:34.55 | enouf | paulfm: you don't - atleast not until you have Lenny installed and working |
| 17:34.58 | paulfm | Im waving the flag of hope |
| 17:35.20 | enouf | and then .. only when you know what you're doing |
| 17:35.21 | themill | paulfm: in general, you can't. There are probably dependencies that are missing and you're heading towards a mess. Either make a backport of the package (/msg dpkg ssb) or make an unstable chroot for it. |
| 17:35.23 | paulfm | enouf: I see... - silly question... is lenny avainable? |
| 17:35.34 | cognitiaclaeves | I appear to have no connection (wget and apt-get update both fail), and yet, bind appears to be working for a debian sarge(?) box. I'm getting failed: Connection refused and 404 not found. ... yet I see transmitted and received packets for both NICs accumulating. |
| 17:35.36 | themill | paulfm: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 17:35.38 | enouf | paulfm: yes - /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 17:35.40 | homecable | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-Lenny-DI-rc2-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 17:35.54 | enouf | paulfm: i suggest you also |
| 17:35.55 | paulfm | themill: ok |
| 17:36.01 | paulfm | enouf: kewl Imma try it |
| 17:36.02 | enouf | paulfm: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 17:36.41 | paulfm | enouf: is there a netinstall iso for lenny? |
| 17:37.13 | enouf | paulfm: yes - but if you have etch - all you need to do is a dist-upgrade (sans all the other info from factoids given) |
| 17:37.17 | dupondje | aptitude search ~o doesn't work it seems :p |
| 17:37.34 | paulfm | enouf: thanks - I found it |
| 17:37.35 | enouf | dupondje: it's a lenny version of aptitude thing - forget it for now |
| 17:38.09 | cognitiaclaeves | how can I tell what version of debian I'm running? |
| 17:38.17 | paulfm | enouf: I have a super slim install - will the dist upgrade bloat it out - or just upgrade what I have installed?... prob a dumb question |
| 17:38.20 | enouf | !version |
| 17:38.20 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
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| 17:38.40 | osFrenchDude | Hi, did anyone tried the google repo in debian lenny...please |
| 17:38.53 | paulfm | enouf: I also have a custom kernel in a .deb - will I be able to reinstall my custom kernel. deb after the upgrade? |
| 17:39.01 | enouf | paulfm: depends ... use -s, and other things |
| 17:39.33 | paulfm | enouf: thanks.... Ill try the dist upgrade before getting the ISO |
| 17:39.35 | dmi3on | hi all, i have problem with vnc4server and xinted, when i use just vnc4server :0 or :2 every thing is working on same LAN or from deffernt ISP, but when i try to connect to xinted server i get in ultranVNC "Error reading Protocol Version" and from ubuntu i get "Connection Reset by peer (104)" i cant find solution in google |
| 17:39.37 | enouf | paulfm: you won't need to reinstall it - just ensure you have no Debian linux-image-KERN-VER pkgs installed |
| 17:39.58 | sosnix | Why |
| 17:40.02 | paulfm | enouf: dont have those... trying the upgrade |
| 17:40.12 | enouf | paulfm: but -also ensure your custom crap will work (fully and as you expect) with lenny's software |
| 17:40.13 | sosnix | mplayer -version command not found but i have mplayer why? |
| 17:40.37 | sosnix | login as: xpornlivvm |
| 17:40.37 | sosnix | xpornlivvm@s2.rootvps.pl's password: |
| 17:40.37 | sosnix | Last login: Wed Feb 4 19:18:55 2009 from 87-205-178-137.adsl.inetia.pl |
| 17:40.37 | sosnix | entered into CT 1290 |
| 17:40.37 | sosnix | dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given |
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| 17:40.49 | sosnix | sorry |
| 17:41.01 | sosnix | ffplay ffserver flvtool2 mencoder mplayer nasm re2c yasm |
| 17:41.01 | sosnix | <sosnix> xpornliv:/usr/local/bin# mplayer |
| 17:41.01 | sosnix | <sosnix> -bash: mplayer: command not found |
| 17:41.01 | sosnix | <sosnix> xpornliv:/usr/local/bin# mplayer -version |
| 17:41.01 | sosnix | <sosnix> -bash: mplayer: command not found |
| 17:41.01 | sosnix | <sosnix> xpornliv:/usr/local/bin# |
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| 17:41.09 | sosnix | hi |
| 17:41.12 | enouf | nice |
| 17:41.13 | sosnix | i have problem with mplayer |
| 17:41.25 | enouf | you have more than a problem with pasting/flooding |
| 17:41.33 | sosnix | yes |
| 17:41.36 | sosnix | i know |
| 17:41.39 | sosnix | but |
| 17:41.41 | cognitiaclaeves | It looks like the apt sources are pointed to sarge, even though the version is 4.0 (I'm guessing that's etch?) |
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| 17:41.44 | sosnix | i have already insataled mplayer |
| 17:41.47 | enouf | and now .. with the ENTER key |
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| 17:42.00 | osFrenchDude | #google |
| 17:42.04 | sosnix | but when i write mplayer -version they show me command not found |
| 17:42.06 | osFrenchDude | sorry |
| 17:42.15 | pipegeek | sosnix: if you need to paste something large, try http://pastebin.com/ |
| 17:42.16 | enouf | your / PATH sucks ass - and doesn't have /usr/local/bin in it |
| 17:42.23 | sosnix | tanks |
| 17:42.25 | sosnix | thanks |
| 17:42.33 | enouf | sosnix: stop running shit as root |
| 17:43.01 | sosnix | http://pastebin.com/m656738db |
| 17:43.17 | enouf | ls -l /usr/local/bin/mplayer ; whereis mplayer |
| 17:44.12 | enouf | sosnix: so .. are those dirs/ ? |
| 17:44.19 | sosnix | yes |
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| 17:44.26 | sosnix | is there maplyer when i write ls |
| 17:44.27 | enouf | wonderful . |
| 17:44.32 | enouf | sosnix: ls -l /usr/local/bin/mplayer ; whereis mplayer |
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| 17:44.44 | sosnix | but when i write in this direcotry mplayer -version "command not found" |
| 17:44.47 | enouf | sosnix: ls -l /usr/local/bin/mplayer ; whereis mplayer |
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| 17:45.21 | sosnix | http://pastebin.com/m11afd72 |
| 17:45.33 | cognitiaclaeves | stupid question: will it hurt an etch box to pointed at sarge repos? |
| 17:45.42 | cognitiaclaeves | *to be pointed |
| 17:45.48 | mattinator | cognitiaclaeves, yes ask me how I know |
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| 17:45.51 | naraty | Hello, I was wondering, since i upgraded to 2.6.28 will i break the debian update manager? |
| 17:45.59 | cognitiaclaeves | mattinator: Ok, How do you know? |
| 17:46.05 | bzed | cognitiaclaeves: hmm, shouldn't do much, but you'll miss all upgrades and so on... |
| 17:46.10 | mattinator | Because tanked my system |
| 17:46.22 | naraty | Anyonone? |
| 17:46.24 | mattinator | By the time I could stop an update |
| 17:46.26 | enouf | wtf is /usr/local/cpffmpeg/bin/mplayer ? |
| 17:46.27 | bzed | cognitiaclaeves: you could add sarge and etch sources, in case you need something from sarge, which is not available on etch |
| 17:46.33 | mattinator | My system couldn't locate Udev |
| 17:46.52 | naraty | I was wondering, since i upgraded to 2.6.28 will i break the debian update manager? |
| 17:46.53 | bzed | cognitiaclaeves: but it doesn't make much sense in general... and don't downgrade packages |
| 17:47.02 | naraty | it keeps saying i have updates i need to install and it is getting stuck on examining your system |
| 17:47.03 | bzed | mattinator: no. |
| 17:47.17 | bzed | err naraty no. |
| 17:47.24 | mattinator | Well it wouldn't load udev on restart |
| 17:47.26 | osFrenchDude | did anyone tried to install googleearth 5 ?? |
| 17:47.27 | bzed | naraty: depends onhow you've installed the kernel, though. |
| 17:47.27 | naraty | whats the prob then? |
| 17:47.37 | bzed | naraty: put your problem into a pastebin |
| 17:48.26 | homecable | http://joey.ath.cx/pub/debian-Lenny-DI-rc2-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 17:48.39 | homecable | 1200kb/s |
| 17:48.49 | homecable | if anyone needs download |
| 17:48.53 | homecable | fast site |
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| 17:49.12 | enouf | 1200kb/sec is fast? |
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| 17:50.32 | maligor | yeah, everyone here has a gigabit fiber |
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| 17:50.49 | dromer | hehe |
| 17:50.55 | garu | is there some sort of live cd that I can use to boot to debian?can I use ubuntu 8.10 live cd, sinsce its based on debian? |
| 17:50.57 | dromer | wel, 100mbit fdx anyway .. |
| 17:51.43 | maligor | garu, boot to? |
| 17:52.00 | maligor | if you mean for fixing boot, yeah, you can use any livecd |
| 17:52.06 | maligor | or the rescue mode of the debian install cd |
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| 17:52.18 | Ancho | or http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 17:53.32 | garu | maligor I need to uninstall ldap-nss |
| 17:53.36 | cognitiaclaeves | how can I show the versions on the box? |
| 17:53.55 | maligor | garu, it should work, just use chroot |
| 17:53.59 | cognitiaclaeves | sorry.. versions of the packages on the box. |
| 17:54.08 | faffi | hey guys, Im trying to get the correct resolution setup on my desktop, its using an Intel Q43 chipset which is the GMA 4500, the current lenny drivers for xserver-xorg-video-intel dont support it, furthemore when i try to set the screen driver to intel in my xorg.conf it defaults to VESA |
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| 17:54.26 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm trying to determine what state my sarge-updated-to-etch box is in... |
| 17:55.23 | garu | maligor I need to uninstall libnss-ldap. can I do it from any live cd? |
| 17:55.35 | garu | maligor I need to uninstall libnss-ldap. can I do it from any live cd, or from ubuntu 8.10 live cd? |
| 17:55.51 | zleap | HANDE^^, #debian is NOT the place for advertising free porn videos |
| 17:56.16 | maligor | garu: mount /dev/[mydiskdeviceandpartition] /whatever |
| 17:56.27 | maligor | garu, chroot /whatever |
| 17:56.36 | maligor | aptitude remove libnss-ldap |
| 17:56.42 | maligor | or something like that :P |
| 17:56.51 | garu | maligor from the live cd? |
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| 17:57.19 | maligor | garu, don't you have a debian install cd around? |
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| 17:57.37 | maligor | it'll do that stuff in a guided way |
| 17:57.51 | garu | maligor from ubuntu live cd's terminal?because I can't even login to debian.Yeah, I do have a debian install cd. |
| 17:58.03 | garu | maligor but it's not a live cd. |
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| 17:58.15 | maligor | garu, boot the debian install cd and type: 'rescue' to the boot prompt it gives |
| 17:58.20 | maligor | I think it was rescue |
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| 17:58.36 | maligor | anyway, it'll boot you into a chroot |
| 17:58.50 | magnet | any op? HANDE^^ = porn bot |
| 17:59.26 | magnet | !ops |
| 17:59.26 | dpkg | well, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 17:59.32 | garu | maligor thanks alot...I'll give that a try |
| 17:59.38 | magnet | dpkg: ops porn bot |
| 17:59.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: magnet complains about: porn bot |
| 17:59.49 | maligor | garu, the install cd should have a help on the bootprompt anyway |
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| 18:00.08 | maligor | garu, then you can just use aptitude after that from the commandline |
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| 18:00.17 | magnet | thanks |
| 18:00.25 | maligor | requested? |
| 18:00.29 | maligor | weird leave msg |
| 18:00.57 | maligor | oh, staff |
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| 18:07.53 | stmiller | I've generated a self signed cert, though I'm not sure what the permissions should be on the cert. I've read varying suggestions |
| 18:07.59 | stmiller | can you help? Thanks, |
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| 18:11.21 | nick_h[litage] | stmiller: the private key should be kept secret |
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| 18:11.37 | nick_h[litage] | stmiller: the public key is for distribution to anyone |
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| 18:11.55 | nick_h[litage] | stmiller: so lock down the private key as much as you can |
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| 18:12.47 | stmiller | nick_h[litage] ok great thanks |
| 18:13.52 | enouf | garu: IIRC, rescue mode from install cd leaves you in 'ro' mode - you might need to remount / rw to affect changes - do; /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 18:14.47 | enouf | garu: though it also has provisions for reinstalling grub (not sure - perhaps the scripts that run do the remounting rw prior to running, etc) |
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| 18:16.52 | apt_get | Hi |
| 18:17.33 | enouf | ~slap apt_get |
| 18:17.33 | apt | ACTION slaps apt_get, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:17.44 | myeggo | how can i use thunar instead nautilus as default? |
| 18:17.49 | cognitiaclaeves | what happens if you run apt-get upgrade without first doing an apt-get update? Is there a way to fix what results? |
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| 18:18.08 | myeggo | probably you dont find any new update to install cognitiaclaeves |
| 18:18.13 | sysfault | cognitiaclaeves: you'll only be updating from old sources |
| 18:18.22 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: run apt-get update .. try again |
| 18:18.25 | abrotman | or apt-get -f install |
| 18:18.25 | sysfault | so that may result in no updates at all ;) |
| 18:18.40 | cognitiaclaeves | apt-get update hasn't worked since the reboot... |
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| 18:22.07 | joelsolanki | Hi all. |
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| 18:22.47 | joelsolanki | i have a old system with sarge. i am trying to install few packages but as sarge is out of date its giving error |
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| 18:23.06 | joelsolanki | does any body have the repo for debian sarge still? |
| 18:23.16 | asg | joelsolanki: archive.debian.org |
| 18:24.16 | joelsolanki | hmm |
| 18:24.16 | joelsolanki | let me try |
| 18:24.49 | joelsolanki | Err http://archive.debian.org oldstable/main Packages |
| 18:24.49 | joelsolanki | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:25.02 | joelsolanki | is this correct ? http://archive.debian.org ? |
| 18:25.31 | asg | yes, read the README files in the relevant directories |
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| 18:26.33 | joelsolanki | hmm |
| 18:27.40 | asg | http://archive.debian.org/debian/README |
| 18:27.42 | xxiao | ./configure can not seach /usr/local directory, anyone knows how to hack it? |
| 18:27.59 | asg | pastebin the command and the error that resulted |
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| 18:28.32 | xxiao | how to add /usr/local to ./configure so that it can look for header/libraries under there? |
| 18:28.50 | abrotman | what are you compiling? |
| 18:29.03 | xxiao | gcc/gmp/mpfr |
| 18:29.09 | abrotman | uh .. why? |
| 18:29.17 | xxiao | i'm bootstrapping a new arch |
| 18:29.24 | abrotman | the non-ppc ppc ? |
| 18:29.29 | xxiao | yes!!! |
| 18:29.31 | xxiao | :) |
| 18:29.48 | abrotman | would guess you'd want to do that sort of stuff in a chroot |
| 18:30.00 | asg | xxiao: ./configure --help (look for --with-foo options for the bits you need and set them accordingly to the bits in /usr/local.) or edit ld.so.conf |
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| 18:30.26 | xxiao | ld.so.conf is updated with /usr/local/lib |
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| 18:30.51 | asg | did you run ldconfig afterwards? |
| 18:30.54 | xxiao | mpfr is complaining for missing gmp.h which is under /usr/local/include but missed by ./configure in mpfr |
| 18:31.06 | xxiao | asg: yes i did |
| 18:31.28 | asg | did you run 'make clean' afterwards? |
| 18:31.47 | xxiao | asg: make install that is, why make clean? |
| 18:32.06 | asg | because ./configure has cached the failure most likely |
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| 18:32.39 | patrikf | xxiao: either add /usr/local/include with some configure option or do "CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include ./configure ..." |
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| 18:33.12 | xxiao | yes just found there is a --with-gmp-include in mpfr, will hack that. thanks all |
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| 18:33.52 | xxiao | abrotman: i'm trying to create a chroot based on LFS 6.4 now |
| 18:34.37 | xxiao | abrotman: using all lenny orig.tar.gz, to make sure deb pkgs are clean |
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| 18:38.36 | enouf | xxiao: you're running ./configure as root? |
| 18:38.46 | enouf | xxiao: tsktsk |
| 18:38.49 | subopt | How do i find the path of an app that i'm running (by indirection, on an LSF queue)? I can see it in `top`, but this client has a maze of Perl to fetch us the right version of some of our apps, and so the actual executable doesn't appear anywhere in my path. |
| 18:39.38 | enouf | subopt: look at /proc/PID/cmdline ? |
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| 18:40.27 | subopt | enouf: thanks. |
| 18:40.54 | dmi3on | i have problem with vnc4server and xinted, when i use just vnc4server :0 or :2 every thing is working on same LAN or from deffernt ISP, but when i try to connect to xinted server i get in ultranVNC "Error reading Protocol Version" and from ubuntu i get "Connection Reset by peer (104)" i cant find |
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| 18:42.55 | enouf | how come when i do; |
| 18:42.56 | enouf | ~$ cat /proc/3402/cmdline |
| 18:42.57 | enouf | hald-addon-acpi: listening on acpi kernel interface /proc/acpi/event~$ |
| 18:43.04 | enouf | i don't get a \n ? |
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| 18:43.54 | xxiao | enouf: no as a normal user |
| 18:43.54 | enouf | is there an easy way to fix that? i mean, i understand it's likely meant to be that way (who wants \t and \n in their /proc/ files, but ..) .. what |
| 18:44.12 | enouf | xxiao: and echo $PATH as that user says? |
| 18:44.14 | nick_h[litage] | when you run ``hostname foo.bar'' to set the host's name, what exactly does ``hostname'' do/change? it doesn't seem to modify /etc/hostname ... |
| 18:44.25 | enouf | !hostname |
| 18:44.25 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
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| 18:44.35 | dmi3on | why no one is helping me :( |
| 18:44.41 | myeggo | someone know why i cant close rhytmbox? it opens again when i close it |
| 18:44.45 | enouf | you ugly |
| 18:44.49 | abrotman | enouf: (cat foo;echo "") ? |
| 18:44.57 | enouf | abrotman: o m g .. |
| 18:45.06 | abrotman | enouf: don't pick on me! |
| 18:45.10 | enouf | abrotman: ;-) |
| 18:45.17 | garu | maligor the debian installer rescue mode didnt give me a terminal :s |
| 18:45.18 | asg | dmi3on: because you aren't patient and either people are busy helping others or nobody here currently knows how to fix your problem |
| 18:45.20 | nick_h[litage] | thanks enouf |
| 18:45.38 | maligor | garu, really? it should |
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| 18:46.20 | dmi3on | asg, ok |
| 18:46.25 | maligor | garu, what did it do? |
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| 18:46.36 | maligor | or was it recovery? |
| 18:46.39 | enouf | abrotman: ~$ echo $(cat /proc/3402/cmdline) |
| 18:46.46 | enouf | works ok .. i guess |
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| 18:47.02 | maligor | pretty sure it would be rescue |
| 18:47.21 | enouf | wanna see funny though? |
| 18:47.22 | enouf | ~$ echo <(cat /proc/3402/cmdline) |
| 18:47.25 | enouf | /dev/fd/63 |
| 18:47.44 | garu | maligor it says rescue mode on the top left side, but it asked me about the language, and location, and hostname and domain name. |
| 18:47.47 | enouf | which when i ls -l /dev/fd/63 .. doesn't exist :-P |
| 18:48.05 | enouf | ls: /dev/fd/63: No such file or directory |
| 18:48.24 | batman_ramirez1 | hey is there a link to read about make different inits that depends on what am i gonna use the pc? |
| 18:48.54 | garu | maligor now is asking what device to use as root file system and its giving me option to select /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /part2 or /part3!I'v no idea what that is!lol |
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| 18:49.13 | maligor | partition 1, 2 or 3 |
| 18:49.24 | enouf | xxiao: ? :-( |
| 18:49.25 | Zeus__ | there's an HP-PA channel for debian? |
| 18:49.26 | maligor | I can't comment on your disk layout :P |
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| 18:49.43 | enouf | #debian-parisc ? .. gah .. have to look |
| 18:49.52 | tmccrary | Is there a way to tell update-alternatives to recreate the links for a certain program? |
| 18:50.05 | Zeus__ | no #debian-pa or #debian-parisc |
| 18:50.17 | Zeus__ | anyway i'm net booting http://debian.cs.binghamton.edu/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-hppa/current/images/netboot/2.6/boot.img |
| 18:50.19 | garu | maligor I didnt set any custom partitioning when I installed it! |
| 18:50.22 | enouf | list #debian-* |
| 18:50.31 | Zeus__ | i can boot the image.. but there's no fdisk or mkfs? |
| 18:50.34 | enouf | heh -- ooops |
| 18:51.07 | tmccrary | nm I figured it out |
| 18:51.15 | tmccrary | You use update-alternatives --auto |
| 18:51.55 | enouf | Zeus__: maybe not a #debian one, but IINM, there's people in #parisc ? that might be helpful? there's also a debian mailing list for hppa/parisc |
| 18:52.07 | Zeus__ | ah ok, thanks |
| 18:52.09 | maligor | garu, try Alt-Fn keys if you can get a terminal |
| 18:52.13 | enouf | eww .. one person? |
| 18:52.20 | Zeus__ | hehe |
| 18:52.37 | maligor | garu, or you can just try the partitions one at a time and see what they contain :P |
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| 18:52.47 | Zeus__ | anyway |
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| 18:53.03 | Zeus__ | i got the HPPA netboot image... but it can't see the disks of my HP-PA machine? |
| 18:53.04 | Zeus__ | odd |
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| 18:53.16 | dmi3on | what this massege means: debian-server xinetd[397]: warning: can't get client address: Transport endpoint i s not connected |
| 18:53.21 | maligor | garu, might be boot, root and swap, or root, home, swap or a mix of those |
| 18:53.41 | dmi3on | this exactlly "Transport endpoint i s not connected" |
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| 18:54.27 | alsd | dmi3on: when does it happen? |
| 18:54.37 | tekess | hi |
| 18:55.08 | dmi3on | alsd, when i type this, sudo grep xinetd /var/log/syslog |
| 18:55.28 | tekess | just a quick question: I have a linux-image .deb package, is there some way to extract the .config file from it? |
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| 18:55.46 | dmi3on | alsd, and try to connect viewer to xvnc server :1 |
| 18:55.53 | garu | maligor it was part1...thanks ;) |
| 18:55.59 | asg | tekess: ar -x <pkg> |
| 18:56.34 | asg | tekess: thought the .config may not be in the package so you will need to get the src .deb for the package |
| 18:57.22 | alsd | dmi3on: xvnc is using xinetd? |
| 18:57.27 | dmi3on | yes |
| 18:58.04 | alsd | dmi3on: my wild guess is something causes the connection to drop before it's fully established |
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| 18:58.39 | alsd | dmi3on: maybe a bug or a misconfiguration somewhere |
| 18:59.01 | dmi3on | alsd, agree because i get massege from a viewer in ubuntu on other PC "connection reset by peer (104)" |
| 18:59.02 | tekess | asg, many thanks, gonna try : ) |
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| 18:59.43 | dmi3on | alsd, i have problem finding any solution on forums how to solve it :( |
| 18:59.56 | apt_get | Hi |
| 18:59.58 | apt_get | How can I make a boot silent with same action about quiet into kernel boot parameter, but with the console logs of '/proc/kmsg'? Because the quiet into kernel boot disable console messages like Link Up ou Down.... |
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| 19:00.21 | alsd | dmi3on: explain what your setup is, maybe someone here knows better |
| 19:00.44 | garu | maligor new problem...after doing rescue to remove libnss-ldap.I've quit that and restarted the system, now, It wont take my user name and password |
| 19:00.45 | dmi3on | exactly like is sayed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=122402 |
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| 19:01.39 | maligor | garu, that's weird |
| 19:02.02 | garu | maligor how do I login as root? |
| 19:02.21 | maligor | rescue mode :P |
| 19:02.29 | alsd | dmi3on: does it work on localhost? |
| 19:02.42 | maligor | you can change the root pw from there too unless something worse has gone wrong |
| 19:02.45 | maligor | with passwd |
| 19:03.10 | dmi3on | alsd, not xvnc if i try to connect to :0 or :2 it works but not when i try to connect xvnc server |
| 19:03.15 | maligor | garu, it wouldn't be a very good system if you could break the root password from console :P |
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| 19:04.22 | maligor | you could also proably boot by changing the init to some shell, but not too sure about that |
| 19:04.34 | asg | garu: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 19:04.46 | alsd | dmi3on: VNC display is different from X display, even if they share the same semantics. connecting to X display :0 is port 6000 whereas VNC display :0 is 5900, not the same protocol |
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| 19:05.36 | dmi3on | alsd, doest it makes deffernt if i connect on same LAN ? |
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| 19:06.36 | garu | asg do I actually type dpkg I forgot root's password? |
| 19:06.39 | alsd | dmi3on: there can be a firewall somewhere blocking. but if it fails on localhost, it will fail on LAN too |
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| 19:07.41 | xxiao | enouf: the path only contains /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin |
| 19:07.55 | dmi3on | alsd, i dont understand what i have to chnage because in Xvnc i have port 5901 for server :1 |
| 19:07.59 | troythetechguy | i changed the name of my host, and in my mail.err log it still shows name of old host. Where is it getting this info from? |
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| 19:08.47 | valdyn | dmi3on: that means that its the second Xvnc server running unless you did not properly stop the first one and the lock file is still there |
| 19:09.07 | alsd | dmi3on: that's ok. check it's running with 'netstat -ltn' (you should have a LISTENING server on port 5901) |
| 19:09.11 | enouf | xxiao: right .. so; add /usr/local/bin (atleast) in there as 1st in PATH |
| 19:09.14 | valdyn | troythetechguy: /etc/mailname ? |
| 19:09.30 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 19:09.30 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 19:09.39 | troythetechguy | valdyn: Thank you! |
| 19:09.39 | enouf | xxiao: er .. wait - i guess i mean, make /usr/local/bin 1st |
| 19:09.41 | dmi3on | alsd, tcp 0 0 *:5901 *:* LISTEN 2911/xinetd |
| 19:10.18 | enouf | xxiao: that ain't no default Debian setup |
| 19:10.46 | valdyn | it could be gdm |
| 19:10.49 | dmi3on | alsd, is it good or bad ? |
| 19:10.52 | alsd | dmi3on: when you connect from localhost it says connection reset on client? |
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| 19:11.01 | asg | garu: yes type '/msg dpkg i forgot root's password' The bot will show you how to get a root shell without a password |
| 19:11.40 | jl_ | I'm trying to tune for web performance. Any tips? Running on AMD64, lenny, apache->varnish. What I see is a long time to first byte |
| 19:11.45 | dmi3on | alsd, Vista Ultravnc "Error reading Protocol Version" Ubuntu "Connection reset by peer (104)" |
| 19:11.46 | xxiao | enouf: still compiling, if failed again will try that. i'm building a non-debian chroot to bootstrap a debian from scratch for a new arhc |
| 19:12.06 | xxiao | s/arhc/arch |
| 19:12.56 | xxiao | first step is to get new native gcc/glibc in a chroot env without any host-side side-effects |
| 19:13.19 | alsd | dmi3on: can you connect from _localhost_ ? |
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| 19:13.36 | valdyn | xxiao: why dont you just use debootstrap? |
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| 19:13.46 | enouf | or cdebootstrap? |
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| 19:14.02 | dmi3on | alsd, to regular vnc4server yes :0 or if i set up :2 both work |
| 19:14.36 | alsd | dmi3on: maybe you have an error in the xinetd syntax then |
| 19:15.08 | dmi3on | alsd, can you check it pleas i am new to all this i will pastebin it |
| 19:15.20 | alsd | dmi3on: i don't know much about xinetd |
| 19:15.42 | dmi3on | alsd, http://pastebin.com/m13c5a6f4 |
| 19:16.55 | alsd | dmi3on: seems odd 'server_args = -inetd :1 -query localhost -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24 -once -fp /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc $ Â Â Â Â port = 5901' there should be a newline instead of '$' here |
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| 19:21.59 | enouf | xxiao: my point is; the shell searches PATH on a 1st come, 1st serve basis - if it can't find what it wants in 1st listed path, then it'll move onto the next and look .. and so on |
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| 19:23.09 | enouf | xxiao: so, from your example; "/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin" /bin is searched 1st , if it finds what it needs, it stops looking and uses it - if not, it'll move onto /usr/bin ... then finally /usr/local/bin |
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| 19:24.13 | dmi3on | alsd, its because in nano all line doenst fit in screen its like this : server_args = -inetd :1 -query localhost -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24 -once -fp /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc -DisconnectClients=0 -NeverShared passwordFile=/root/.vncpasswd -extension XFIXES |
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| 19:25.34 | bazyl | greets ;) |
| 19:25.39 | bazyl | hi everobody |
| 19:26.25 | xxiao | ok, mfpr is good now, but gcc itself "Segmentation fault build/gengenrtl -h > tmp-genrtl.h" |
| 19:26.26 | bazyl | *everybody ;) |
| 19:26.30 | simonrvn | dmi3on: sure, this is why it's handy to make nano not do that annoying $ thing and just soft wrap it like say vim does automatically. |
| 19:26.57 | dmi3on | simonrvn, ok :) |
| 19:27.54 | nick_h[litage] | are there instructions newer than this for learning how to build a backport?: http://debian.ethz.ch/pub/debian-backports/utils/Backport-HOWTO.html |
| 19:28.10 | simonrvn | xxiao: do you happen to have some help from someone who has done arch porting before? |
| 19:28.32 | asg | nick_h[litage]: /msg dpkg backport |
| 19:28.42 | simonrvn | xxiao: also, you might want to talk with the people in #mklinux |
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| 19:29.47 | simonrvn | they're usually pretty busy, but they like technical questions |
| 19:29.57 | xxiao | simonrvn: yes my steps are said correct at debian-devel |
| 19:30.05 | xxiao | simonrvn: yes i'm on mklinux :0 |
| 19:30.07 | xxiao | :) |
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| 19:30.11 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 19:31.12 | nick_h[litage] | asg: are you specifically referring to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port ? |
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| 19:31.54 | asg | nick_h[litage]: that and 'simple sid backport' |
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| 19:32.22 | nick_h[litage] | thanks |
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| 19:37.11 | nick_h[litage] | should one use debootstrap or cdebootstrap to setup a clean build env? |
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| 19:41.50 | simonrvn | either works |
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| 19:42.11 | simonrvn | c* is faster, but not like that matters much unless you do it a lot. |
| 19:42.48 | nick_h[litage] | thanks |
| 19:43.02 | enouf | there's something going on in cdebootstrap functionality .. a bug of sorts, needs hashing out yet - don't recall any details though :-/ |
| 19:43.24 | frostschutz | debootstrap worked fine for me... fast, too. :) |
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| 19:46.13 | Pnux | hey, im trying to install a bussiness card in my laptop, but when it gets to verifying the copy (or something like that, cant really remember) it says that the image is not valid. This only happens in the laptop as ive tried the same in the desktop, with the same connection through a router. Could this be a problem with net connection? (DSL recognizes the card properly) |
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| 19:47.44 | valdyn | Pnux: are you trying to confuse us? |
| 19:47.59 | Pnux | valdyn: thats not my idea |
| 19:48.19 | valdyn | Pnux: whats a "business card" ? i can probably guess that |
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| 19:48.34 | asg | valdyn: the debian bootable business card installer most likely |
| 19:48.45 | Pnux | yea, that ^ |
| 19:48.52 | valdyn | Pnux: how does an internet connection method (DSL) recongnise such a card? |
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| 19:49.02 | dec3pti0n | what could be making debian/rules binary create duplicate confile entries ? |
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| 19:49.32 | Pnux | valdyn: oh, when i said DSL i mean Damn Small Linux, so i know the card works properly |
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| 19:50.03 | adama_ | are you talking about a different "card" now? |
| 19:50.05 | zamuro | !backports |
| 19:50.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 19:50.25 | valdyn | Pnux: dsl probably doesnt check the md5 sum |
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| 19:51.01 | Pnux | valdyn: so all it does it checking md5 sum? in that step |
| 19:51.06 | valdyn | Pnux: but maybe that debian installer just does not find the disk drive at all. |
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| 19:52.11 | Pnux | valdyn: because my desktop passed that step, so i thought it could be a problem with the net config, the drivers or the HD |
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| 19:52.21 | valdyn | Pnux: the drivers |
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| 19:52.53 | valdyn | Pnux: are you trying to install testing/lenny ? |
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| 19:53.26 | Pnux | valdyn: im trying to install the lastest stable version |
| 19:53.39 | valdyn | Pnux: etchnhalf or just etch? |
| 19:53.44 | Pnux | etch |
| 19:53.46 | Pnux | valdyn: * |
| 19:53.50 | Pnux | ^ |
| 19:53.53 | valdyn | Pnux: try etchnhalf methinks |
| 19:54.16 | Pnux | valdyn: ill check, thanks for the help |
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| 19:54.46 | valdyn | Pnux: there might be workarounds for this too, but i dont know to much about that issue ( which is well known and documented though ) |
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| 19:55.54 | enouf | still can't figure out how a distro can recognize (or not) another distro's slimmed down installer version |
| 19:56.10 | ivank | i did an update a few weeks ago, and every since, iptables has had loads of rules whenever i boot. there's nothing in /etc/init.d or /etc/network/ifup.d though. anyone seen/solved a similar problem? |
| 19:56.22 | enouf | either that - or someone better redefine the word 'card' |
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| 19:57.13 | enouf | ivank: no, iptables does no such thing .. unless you tell it to on debian |
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| 19:58.14 | ivank | enouf: that is what i assumed, but every boot i have these rules back |
| 19:58.30 | enouf | ivank: but anyway - look in /etc/network/interfaces too - one can use the ifpre-up parm in there |
| 19:58.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ivank, what do the rules DO? |
| 19:58.55 | enouf | ivank: back? you implied they materialized from thin air - due to an upgrade |
| 19:59.07 | valdyn | ivank: grep -i wall /etc/init.d/* |
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| 19:59.16 | garu | asg do I have to be in a particular directory to execute /msg dpkg I forgot root's password? |
| 19:59.24 | ivank | CutMeOwnThroat: default DENY policy and then a whole load of other stuff |
| 19:59.32 | abrotman | garu: that's an IRC command |
| 19:59.35 | enouf | ivank: you don't just stop iptables, and think the rules stop applying, you need to remove the rules prior |
| 19:59.37 | enouf | IINM |
| 20:00.05 | enouf | garu: you do that within your irc client |
| 20:00.06 | nick_h[litage] | hrmm. why would ``sudo debootstrap etch etch_build_environment'' fail with this?: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/nick/etch_build_environment mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 20:00.10 | asg | garu: no, type that in your irc client |
| 20:00.26 | ivank | ah, seems ipmasq was doing it |
| 20:00.31 | paulfm | enouf: I have now done safe-install - do I need to do full-install also? |
| 20:00.43 | garu | asg enough ahahahahahahaa :D |
| 20:00.48 | kapipi | Will gparted copy a partition that has bad blocks? |
| 20:00.52 | garu | stupid noobness.lol |
| 20:01.04 | valdyn | nick_h[litage]: because the directory etch_build_environment does not exist? |
| 20:01.08 | paulfm | enouf: I mean safe-upgrade |
| 20:01.10 | enouf | paulfm: safe-upgrade? erm .. i think you do full-upgrade after |
| 20:01.17 | enouf | !full-upgrade |
| 20:01.17 | dpkg | full-upgrade is, like, the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade><apt-listchanges> |
| 20:01.42 | ivank | fixde |
| 20:02.08 | enouf | kapipi: {g}ddrescue will |
| 20:03.23 | kapipi | enouf: So would a good strategy be to let gparted have an attemtp first, then if it fails to use ddrescue? |
| 20:03.34 | nick_h[litage] | valdyn: debootstrap creates the directory |
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| 20:03.58 | enouf | kapipi: if you care to risk your data, sure |
| 20:04.17 | nick_h[litage] | valdyn: "the directory" being etch_build_environment/ |
| 20:04.25 | kapipi | enouf: Would a copy operation risk the data? |
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| 20:05.58 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: hrm .. try altering your mount command to "mkdir /home/nick/etch_build_environment/proc ; mount --bind /proc //home/nick/etch_build_environment/proc" |
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| 20:06.15 | bulio | I tried adding two nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf and now my internet won't work |
| 20:06.33 | bulio | is it ok to just leave resolv.conf empty? I don't use dhcp |
| 20:06.36 | enouf | kapipi: anything involving partitioning editors and copying utils could result in damage .. moreso the former |
| 20:07.18 | nick_h[litage] | enouf: debootstrap's trying to mount a proc FS inside the directory that it's told to bootstrap, so i don't think that i can do that.. |
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| 20:07.36 | bulio | anyone? |
| 20:07.36 | adama_ | bulio: you need servers in /etc/resolv.conf to look up hostnames |
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| 20:07.49 | bulio | adama_, what should I put in there then |
| 20:08.19 | adama_ | nameserver 192.168.2.3 |
| 20:08.31 | adama_ | where 192.168.2.3 is the IP of a name server |
| 20:08.31 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: i know .. i'm just wondering if/what command you're feeding it - or missing a debootstrap option |
| 20:08.33 | bulio | exactly like that? |
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| 20:08.55 | adama_ | bulio: no, it has to be a nameserver's IP |
| 20:09.17 | kapipi | enouf: I just don't understand why a read operation by gparted would be a larger risk than one by dd? Unless you mean that they both pose the same risk but that ddrescue has a larger chance of success? Anyway, I have good backups, so should be ok either way. |
| 20:09.31 | adama_ | if you are not using DHCP, you will have to consult your network admin or ISP for the correct NS IP |
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| 20:09.36 | enouf | kapipi: it's a read + write operation |
| 20:09.37 | bulio | adama_, how can I find out a nameserver's IP |
| 20:09.55 | adama_ | bulio: DHCP or whoever manages your network |
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| 20:10.06 | bulio | I tried putting openDNS's nameservers, and that brought the internet down |
| 20:10.10 | enouf | kapipi: suppose the copying stalls .. dead .. and you need to hard reset to break out? |
| 20:10.13 | bulio | now i cant access the machine |
| 20:10.33 | enouf | kapipi: the tools i mentioned anticipate that - they have provisions for that |
| 20:11.02 | adama_ | bulio: why did you change that file? and what was there before? |
| 20:11.15 | enouf | kapipi: they skip the badblocks until the end - and the scan them .. if told to - you can even do portions of copying at a time |
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| 20:11.27 | enouf | s/and the/and then |
| 20:11.35 | bulio | adama_, I dont remember, I changed it because DNS wasnt working |
| 20:11.43 | linkslice | is there a flag I can pass to dpkg --get-selections to show the version info for all installed packages? |
| 20:11.44 | bulio | ping yahoo.com didnt work, but pining yahoos IP did |
| 20:11.47 | kapipi | enouf: I understand that ddrescue has more of a chance of recovering from something like that. |
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| 20:12.01 | kapipi | enouf: thanks for your advice |
| 20:12.12 | enouf | it's not ddrescue that need to recover ;-) you're welcome ;-) |
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| 20:12.50 | linkslice | nm dpkg -l |
| 20:13.00 | enouf | linkslice: dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
| 20:13.17 | enouf | possible | awk ... as well |
| 20:14.28 | adama_ | bulio: well ...first you will have to get back into the box, how are you planning to do that? |
| 20:14.29 | kapipi | enouf: no of course, what I meant is that ddrescue knows what to do when it encounters bad blocks on the source disk, gparted probably doesn't |
| 20:14.55 | bulio | adama_, Having some reboot the machine, hopefully it was just the command I did that brought the eth0 down but not back up |
| 20:15.10 | bulio | if not, ill have to have them edit resolv.conf I imagine |
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| 20:15.55 | nick_h[litage] | enouf: i just tried running it like this, but the same error occured: sudo sh -c 'debootstrap etch /usr/src/etch_build_environment/ http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/' |
| 20:16.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | bulio, changing DNS servers doesn't bring the networking down |
| 20:16.28 | bulio | I used a command to restart the network so the changes would take effect |
| 20:16.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | bulio, you might have a long delay with ssh or no connectivity at all, though (because ssh does DNS lookups if so configured) |
| 20:17.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | bulio, changes to resolv.conf are instantaneous afaik |
| 20:17.30 | adama_ | bulio: yes |
| 20:17.48 | troythetechguy | Hi all. I'm completely lost in my attempt to set up postfix on my deb server, and at this point I want to start the mail server portion over from scratch. 1: how can i remove postfix? 2: will removing postfix affect mysql (drupal)? |
| 20:17.54 | adama_ | bulio: resolv.conf is just consulted each time a lookup is required. |
| 20:19.43 | adama_ | bulio: what you probably should have done, is to add additional nameserver lines, which are tried in order if the first fails |
| 20:20.33 | buntfalke | how to capture a frame of the ascii-train of sl? |
| 20:21.20 | enouf | linkslice: heh, this is pretty neat -> ~$ grep-status -FStatus -sVersion,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n |
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| 20:21.53 | adama_ | buntfalke: wireshark? |
| 20:23.02 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: i don't know .. not much experience with debootstrap .. is there any provision for more verbosity? is that the only error? are there others prior? or even if not errors, show us output in a pastebin |
| 20:23.04 | valdyn | troythetechguy: remove the configuration and /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 20:23.13 | saulus | Is there a newer Kernel in debian, than 2.6.26-1-vserver-686? How could I upgrade only the vserver? |
| 20:23.13 | valdyn | troythetechguy: that way you dont need to remove postfix |
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| 20:24.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, that's what they claim... but normally (many) DNS lookups fail for me when the first DNS server isn't good |
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| 20:25.24 | enouf | wow - wicked fast .. and no headers and shit ~$ grep-status -FStatus -sVersion,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n | grep mplayer |
| 20:26.17 | enouf | saulus: be happy it's not a -xen-vserver version :-P |
| 20:26.18 | yomismo | me podrias decir que diferencia hay entr el cd y el dvd de debian lenny ??? pa bajarme uno u otro por 4,4 gigas es mucho, aunque si es mejor se baja |
| 20:26.32 | simonrvn | !es |
| 20:26.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:26.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | troythetechguy, valdyn's right, to answer the original question, though: dpkg --purge postfix (or postfix\* if there are several packages) removes it -- apt-get remove --purge postfix as well and would remove packages that depend on postfix |
| 20:26.57 | linkslice | enouf, yeah that's pretty neat, and fits nicer into a wiki ;-) |
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| 20:27.29 | enouf | linkslice: ahh ... the output does .. aye |
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| 20:27.59 | valdyn | enouf: thats better than dpkg -l how? |
| 20:28.08 | enouf | valdyn: much faster |
| 20:28.20 | valdyn | enouf: i dont see how |
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| 20:28.29 | enouf | valdyn: and as i said, no headers and funny formatting of COLUMNS |
| 20:28.33 | nick_h[litage] | enouf: unfortunately, --verbose doesn't seem to produce any extra output =P however, cdebootstrap didn't fail... |
| 20:28.42 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: win win :-P |
| 20:28.52 | linkslice | valdyn, and narrower output for pasting into a wiki |
| 20:28.59 | enouf | valdyn: just like dlocate is much faster than find |
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| 20:29.04 | troubled | What a day. First I had to SSH over to the HTTPD running PHP to fix the SSL when the FTPD caused my PPP to HUP right before the LPRD took out my SMBD during a SMTP using UUCP encoded in PGP over a PPPoE to the TLDP site! |
| 20:29.14 | troubled | *grins* |
| 20:29.18 | buntfalke | adama_: not a network frame, i want a screenshot, but as ascii as well, not as an image |
| 20:29.25 | enouf | linkslice: however .. it's sorting by versions .. not pkgname |
| 20:29.36 | enouf | i'd like to flip the fields |
| 20:29.40 | enouf | wait .. doh |
| 20:29.49 | troubled | oop, wrong window |
| 20:29.59 | troubled | hello debian folks though while im here :) |
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| 20:30.15 | enouf | hehe -sPackage,Version |
| 20:30.23 | simonrvn | !lart troubled |
| 20:30.23 | dpkg | slams troubled against a large cement Tux |
| 20:30.42 | troubled | simonrvn: :p thanks for handling that question about the bot though. he sure has alot of them |
| 20:30.47 | simonrvn | s/Tux/truck/ |
| 20:30.59 | enouf | troubled: you've used up your weekly amount of Acronyms .. no more! |
| 20:31.09 | simonrvn | monthly |
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| 20:31.24 | simonrvn | troubled: wow, so hard, "no" hehe |
| 20:31.36 | troubled | enouf: :) we were joking about acronyms in annother channel, had to pull out the !whataday factoid :) |
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| 20:31.57 | troubled | simonrvn: ya, good thing we only pay you by the letters used in your support answers ;) |
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| 20:32.03 | adama_ | buntfalke: what do you mean, "as ASCII", like ascii art? |
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| 20:32.14 | simonrvn | what, i get paid? :P |
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| 20:32.20 | troubled | oops! |
| 20:32.21 | enouf | valdyn: sorry - i meant to compare dlocate with dpkg -S filename (and dpkg -L) and such |
| 20:32.22 | troubled | runs |
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| 20:33.05 | buntfalke | adama_: that's the whole point of sl, yes :-) |
| 20:33.16 | adama_ | what is sl |
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| 20:33.25 | \amethyst | adama_: 'steam locomotive' |
| 20:33.26 | enouf | valdyn: all i know, is i can hear my old 1999 HDD thrashing away on certain operations (especially find , and yes, even dpkg ones) .. but i heard nothing on these fast long grep-status runs |
| 20:33.30 | maligor | troubled, clearly some letters convey more information than others, so they should be individually priced |
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| 20:33.37 | \amethyst | adama_: apt-cache show sl |
| 20:33.42 | adama_ | \amethyst: that's what I was thinking |
| 20:34.10 | troubled | maligor: yes, vowels are double pay, so I try to encourage simonrvn to speak in 1337 sp34k |
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| 20:34.23 | hochron | anyone know how to prevent xchat from getting a list of channels everytime it connects to freenode? |
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| 20:34.59 | simonrvn | use irssi? ;p |
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| 20:35.22 | hochron | hm |
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| 20:35.46 | simonrvn | i *was* joking, eh. check its prefs... |
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| 20:36.01 | adama_ | hochron: yeah, in irssi, it will say "Doing this is not a good idea." if you try "/list" |
| 20:36.10 | hochron | simonvrn: already have |
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| 20:36.24 | simonrvn | i've never had xchat do that... and i use irssi |
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| 20:36.49 | \amethyst | buntfalke: really all I can think of is ctrl-s to pause it then copy-paste |
| 20:36.51 | troythetechguy | valdyn: Thank you. |
| 20:36.57 | troythetechguy | CutMeOwnThroat: Thank you too. |
| 20:36.58 | hochron | only thing I can do is boost up the min users so the results a pretty slim.... |
| 20:37.24 | hochron | *are] |
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| 20:37.33 | simonrvn | mv your prefs out, then launch it, then run a diff on them, see what changed |
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| 20:38.22 | dutchfish | Does debian provide a package that can act as a gateway for fax to email ? |
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| 20:38.49 | simonrvn | !tell dutchfish -about search |
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| 20:39.10 | maligor | heh, there even seems to be one |
| 20:39.11 | \amethyst | the only one I'm seeing is for courier |
| 20:39.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hochron, that's not the default... my xchat doesn't do that either... "mv .xchat .xchat-old"? |
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| 20:39.43 | dutchfish | simonrvn, i would not ask if i had not searched high and low, the only thing i found was hylafax, but that does not specifically provide such solution |
| 20:40.21 | simonrvn | dutchfish: ok. doesn't it support that though? |
| 20:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmm... is what I say quite often :) Unfortunate choice of nick :-P |
| 20:40.58 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search facsimile |
| 20:41.00 | enouf | heh |
| 20:41.05 | enouf | gfax, hamfaz |
| 20:41.08 | enouf | er x |
| 20:41.28 | tomodachi | dutchfish: if it did, i think it would be a part of asterisk somehow |
| 20:41.31 | dutchfish | simonrvn, i found out there are plugins but they are to clusmy for what i need, also i delved into coonection to astriks, that is to say at least a heavy environment, for the few faxes i need to relay |
| 20:41.35 | buntfalke | \amethyst: thanks |
| 20:41.44 | tomodachi | dutchfish: you can try voip-info.org |
| 20:41.48 | paulfm | enouf: I now have lenny installed but I still dont see experimental packages in aptitude?... do I need anything other than adding the source? |
| 20:42.02 | tomodachi | they have a big wiki wich might contain some intel |
| 20:42.03 | dutchfish | tomodachi, thank you Sir |
| 20:42.06 | tomodachi | np |
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| 20:42.14 | maligor | aren't experimental packages against sid |
| 20:42.20 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 20:42.23 | enouf | paulfm: yes |
| 20:42.37 | paulfm | sid |
| 20:42.45 | paulfm | is sid v6? |
| 20:42.48 | enouf | dutchfish: sendafax.com? :-p |
| 20:42.51 | maligor | sid is unstable |
| 20:42.51 | paulfm | excuse my ignorance |
| 20:42.56 | dutchfish | enouf, ? |
| 20:42.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, fax via a normal fax machine? I've wondered if you can get faxes to a SIP address if it has an external telephone number routed to it, but it seems it's not so easy |
| 20:42.58 | paulfm | I see |
| 20:43.00 | maligor | it's always unstable, it's not a versioned release |
| 20:43.08 | paulfm | will an experimental .deb install under lenny? |
| 20:43.11 | simonrvn | paulfm: no. it's *never* released. |
| 20:43.21 | maligor | paulfm, it might |
| 20:43.23 | simonrvn | paulfm: depends. |
| 20:43.24 | paulfm | simonrvn: thanks |
| 20:43.26 | enouf | paulfm: possibly |
| 20:43.29 | maligor | heh |
| 20:43.33 | dutchfish | i am finding a solution for fax -> mail and fax over h.232 or sip |
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| 20:43.38 | paulfm | hrmm... Ill try it :-) |
| 20:43.45 | enouf | might need backporting paulfm - but /msg dpkg slushy |
| 20:43.59 | paulfm | will do |
| 20:44.28 | maligor | fax over sip? |
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| 20:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | why the hell is this factoid called slushy |
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| 20:45.17 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, was looking at this: http://www.uaex.edu/srea/efax.htm |
| 20:45.17 | hochron | hmmm that appears to be its default behavior... I rename .xchat2 to .xchat2.old launched it again and it still runs /list?!? |
| 20:45.51 | hochron | do I need to close this session? |
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| 20:46.05 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, the problem is i have widely connectivity with sip or h323 but its hard to get a fax out without plain pots |
| 20:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, I'd find it really cool if I could send/receive faxes on my sip address - very very occasionally I need to send/get a fax and then it'd definitely be cute... |
| 20:46.25 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, or in too |
| 20:46.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | plain pots? |
| 20:46.35 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, bingo |
| 20:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ??? |
| 20:46.44 | maligor | pots is telephone I imagine :P |
| 20:46.44 | dutchfish | plain old telephone system |
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| 20:47.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | like in connecting two pots with a string? :) |
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| 20:47.13 | maligor | the wasteful use of copper cables |
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| 20:47.24 | dutchfish | maligor, yep, that too |
| 20:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, somewhere I read that the way data is transferred in a fax is kind of incompatible to the sip protocol... so one has to hop through some loops to get that working |
| 20:48.36 | myeggo | how can i close rhytymbox? |
| 20:48.43 | myeggo | i wont it open itself again |
| 20:48.55 | enouf | paulfm: word of advice, /msg dpkg ssb (and only change sid to experimental - do everything else as noted) |
| 20:49.24 | maligor | myeggo, try starting it from a terminal and see what it complains about |
| 20:49.25 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, outgoing is not that hard: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/courier-faxmail |
| 20:49.52 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, incoming is hard nut to crack |
| 20:50.09 | paulfm | enouf: thanks - checking it out |
| 20:50.11 | myeggo | does not debug in console maligor :/ |
| 20:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how does it send it to that phone address? |
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| 20:51.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds to me like you need a modem/phoneline for that |
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| 20:51.32 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, at the end yes, but you dont need it when you are on the move and can mail it |
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| 20:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't have a phoneline :) |
| 20:51.50 | enouf | recalls how even win98 Phone/Fax/Voice/Answering machine software did all this using even just a crappy winmodem |
| 20:51.55 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, unless you use something like a sip provider |
| 20:52.05 | maligor | myeggo, well, it stores itself in gconf |
| 20:52.09 | enouf | !sip |
| 20:52.10 | dpkg | hmm... sip is Session Initiation Protocol. the way to initiate telephone calls over the internet also known as VoIP, it signals a remote end on port 5060 and begins sending RTP streams |
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| 20:52.32 | dutchfish | enouf, soon i wont have a phoneline anymore, because its all coax and fiber in here |
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| 20:52.33 | enouf | <AT> h! heh |
| 20:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, yeah, that's what I do... but as I said - seems there are some incompatibilities between how fax and sip work |
| 20:52.49 | enouf | dutchfish: cell phones? :-) |
| 20:52.56 | dutchfish | enouf, to expensive |
| 20:53.03 | enouf | ? |
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| 20:53.16 | dutchfish | enouf, 90 euro cent per page, no thank you |
| 20:53.20 | enouf | !shoot dutchfish 's cell phone company |
| 20:53.21 | dpkg | blows dutchfish 's cell phone company away with a BFG 9000 |
| 20:53.32 | dutchfish | haha |
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| 20:53.47 | maligor | myeggo, you could try disabling all the plugins in gconf-editor |
| 20:53.49 | dutchfish | what is a BFG 9000 anyway ? ;) |
| 20:53.57 | jwhite^ | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 20:54.01 | jwhite^ | hrmph |
| 20:54.06 | maligor | Big F***ing Gun |
| 20:54.12 | myeggo | maligor: hehe you read my mind, i were looking how to edit the conf ^^ |
| 20:54.15 | dutchfish | hides |
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| 20:55.08 | maligor | myeggo, it's in /apps/rhythmbox |
| 20:55.16 | abrotman | meyou: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 20:55.17 | dutchfish | says sigh, i reach internet from anywhere i go, but cant do a simple fax ... its hairpulling |
| 20:55.32 | abrotman | oh ffs .. someone broke it |
| 20:55.52 | enouf | dutchfish: it's an old broken black and white tech that needs to die, just from the tones it produces :-P |
| 20:56.18 | enouf | hands abrotman the || bat |
| 20:56.24 | niklauz | i'm installing lenny, does it support grub or booting to a lvm logical volume from the install cd? |
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| 20:56.26 | jintxo | CutMeOwnThroat, part of my job is setting up fax servers, sometimes using SIP; it works. you need the right software though, and the only one I know is the one I work with (on windows) :-) |
| 20:56.27 | dutchfish | enouf, yep, but say that to all the proud owner in 3th world country that just bought one |
| 20:56.32 | myeggo | maligor: if i delete that entry, rhythmbox will work the next time? or it is just as a preferencesfile.conf |
| 20:56.45 | abrotman | fixed now |
| 20:56.50 | abrotman | enouf: no .. it was something else |
| 20:56.50 | jintxo | but I tend to agree with enouf |
| 20:56.57 | maligor | myeggo, I expect it'll just recreate it |
| 20:57.00 | abrotman | meyou: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop ... i fixed it |
| 20:57.01 | enouf | abrotman: tas a hunch |
| 20:57.04 | enouf | twas |
| 20:57.08 | maligor | myeggo, I'm not sure where rhythmbox stores the library tho |
| 20:57.17 | bazyl | have to go, CU |
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| 20:57.47 | enouf | niklauz: i don't understand |
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| 20:58.06 | maligor | myeggo, you can't really compare gconf to windows registry aside from that it stores key/value pairs :P |
| 20:58.14 | dutchfish | enouf, i thought someone was clever enough to pack a virtual modem ... i gues not |
| 20:58.20 | enouf | if you're installing, and create an LVM, you want /boot on it's own, non-LVM partition |
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| 20:58.36 | enouf | although, i think grub2 now has provisions for that |
| 20:58.52 | niklauz | enouf: is that a requirement? |
| 20:59.00 | enouf | dutchfish: heh - we have emulated PDF Printers! |
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| 20:59.05 | maligor | myeggo, they're stored in ~/.gconf/apps/rhythmbox, I don't think the gconf-editor has a interface for removing them |
| 20:59.12 | myeggo | yea, indeed i just can see, but not touch |
| 20:59.12 | enouf | niklauz: it is, if you go with grub 1 |
| 20:59.16 | dutchfish | enouf, now you speak in riddles |
| 20:59.22 | myeggo | it makes me feel secured |
| 20:59.22 | myeggo | xD |
| 20:59.30 | enouf | niklauz: not sure if LiLo can cope with /boot on LVM |
| 20:59.33 | niklauz | i thought i'd been able to boot to a lvm before using grub, but maybe i'm remembering incorrectly |
| 20:59.42 | niklauz | it seems not :) |
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| 21:00.08 | niklauz | i'll break it out, thanks enouf i guess i was beating my head against a wall needlessly |
| 21:00.08 | enouf | niklauz: you also need to have an initrd, IINM |
| 21:00.14 | dutchfish | enouf, you mean pdf -> internet -> daemon -> fax ? |
| 21:00.17 | niklauz | oh ya i remembered about that |
| 21:00.36 | enouf | niklauz: see enbug.grub.org for more about grub2 - ask in #grub - see Debian docs about the pkgs |
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| 21:00.52 | maligor | dutchfish, lots of trouble for resurrecting an antiquated technology |
| 21:00.55 | niklauz | my other question was with grub, is there a way to set it up from the install cd? i saw an option for it in the advanced menu once but now i can't find it... |
| 21:01.10 | enouf | dutchfish: well, like how in OO.o, you can go File > Print > PDF .. or someshit |
| 21:01.35 | dutchfish | maligor, yep, i am antiquated myself ... but i need that for my africa trip |
| 21:01.42 | enouf | niklauz: what do you mean? expert mode? rescue mode? |
| 21:02.00 | upIRC__ | i need a real time oscilloscope? |
| 21:02.14 | enouf | !coffee me |
| 21:02.14 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of hippy-blend Jamaican Blue Mountain for enouf, courtesy of enouf |
| 21:02.20 | enouf | mmm] |
| 21:02.21 | niklauz | enouf: ya, expert mode, it's like a unicorn... i swore i saw it but can't prove it now :-/ |
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| 21:05.13 | myeggo | maligor: thank you for your time and interest about my problem, i appreciate your work :) |
| 21:05.31 | cognitiaclaeves | what is a good way to install a minimum build environment on a system? |
| 21:05.31 | dmi3on | i fix it, HOOAH |
| 21:05.43 | cognitiaclaeves | ( what is a good package to apt-get install? ) |
| 21:06.07 | Caelum | how do I get jabber support in pidgin? |
| 21:06.23 | jintxo | cognitiaclaeves, build-essesntial should do the trick |
| 21:06.26 | meyou | build-essential |
| 21:06.27 | meyou | ya |
| 21:06.35 | cognitiaclaeves | Thanks jintxo, meyou. :) |
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| 21:09.44 | nick_h[litage] | why might my aptitude manpage be full of escaped characters? Eg: \fBmarkauto\fR, \fBunmarkauto\fR |
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| 21:11.45 | miso | hi |
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| 21:12.02 | miso | is ther posibility how to get licensing from curently installled debs ? |
| 21:12.17 | JoeLow | hey, how do i stop things loading at boot time, and only when i want, i.e, when i do /etc/init.d/service start |
| 21:12.33 | abrotman | JoeLow: update-rc.d |
| 21:12.40 | asg | JoeLow: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 21:13.10 | enouf | niklauz: might have better luck with pink elephants :-p |
| 21:13.23 | enouf | niklauz: i have no idea what you're looking for though |
| 21:13.26 | JoeLow | ok cool |
| 21:13.42 | niklauz | enouf: i'd just like to setup grub instead of lilo from the lenny installer |
| 21:13.53 | enouf | JoeLow: /msg dpkg rcconf (for an alternative) |
| 21:14.03 | enouf | oh |
| 21:14.08 | niklauz | i'm surprised lilo is still the default option actually... |
| 21:14.15 | enouf | niklauz: wait - what? |
| 21:14.27 | enouf | why can't you setup grub? it's not being offered? |
| 21:14.30 | JoeLow | yeah ive used rcconf before, i forgot the name for it though :/ |
| 21:14.35 | niklauz | shouldn't grub be the defaul bootloader? |
| 21:14.44 | niklauz | i'm only getting the lilo option |
| 21:14.55 | enouf | i thought you could choose lilo, or grub1, or grub2 |
| 21:15.01 | niklauz | i saw the grub option once but can't find it now |
| 21:15.17 | niklauz | ... i would love that, but i can't find it |
| 21:15.22 | enouf | niklauz: you must have chosen something like encryption or lvm or something that grub can't do - or it's a bug you've hit, or ... |
| 21:15.28 | hark | niklauz: lvm? |
| 21:15.41 | niklauz | i'm using lvm, yes |
| 21:15.55 | enouf | niklauz: using? or just generated the LVM? |
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| 21:16.10 | niklauz | both |
| 21:16.28 | niklauz | i'm usually regenerating to make sure it's correct on each install attempt |
| 21:16.33 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:16.51 | hark | niklauz: you need a separate /boot then |
| 21:16.59 | enouf | niklauz: debootstrap? Vmware? VBox? |
| 21:17.10 | enouf | i told him that already ... |
| 21:17.17 | niklauz | hark: ya, i'm setting that up now :) |
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| 21:17.23 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:17.41 | dutchfish | niklauz, the only time i saw the installer not suggesting grub but lilo was when there wa s1 no room for it 2. software riad |
| 21:17.46 | enouf | niklauz: once you do, grub should be available |
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| 21:18.41 | enouf | is just unsure of the status of the lenny installer with respect to grub2's supposed ability to boot from LVM directly |
| 21:18.43 | hark | nick_h[litage]: known bug afaik, should be fixed in lenny |
| 21:18.47 | niklauz | hmm... i think i know what happened... i'll test it in a moment. because the entire disk was using lvm, it maybe had nowhere to write the grub 1.5 files... ? |
| 21:18.48 | nick_h[litage] | hark: thanks |
| 21:19.05 | dutchfish | enouf, it can .. but its a bit quircky road |
| 21:19.08 | niklauz | i'll be able to test this in a moment |
| 21:19.15 | eptalon | enouf: in theory it should be able to; but I don't trust LVM.. |
| 21:19.27 | niklauz | dutchfish: is grub2 not stable? |
| 21:19.45 | niklauz | i'm totally fine using lvm, i've found it to be very useful and relieable |
| 21:19.52 | nick_h[litage] | on Etch, i just built Lenny's daemontools package from source. however, dpkg-buildpackage ended up generating daemontools-run_0.76-3.deb |
| 21:19.53 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: yeah, not fixed in etch - but there is a workaround (fix of sorts) posted if you find the bug report |
| 21:20.10 | dutchfish | niklauz, its relatively new, i tend to prefer grub not grub 2, that said it can do it (booting from lvm2) |
| 21:20.17 | nick_h[litage] | why would building daemontools result in the daemontools-run package? |
| 21:20.41 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: appended version name - so we know it's not official ;-) |
| 21:20.53 | enouf | see man dch, iinm |
| 21:20.55 | dutchfish | and yes lvm2 is (at least to my finding) rock stable |
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| 21:20.57 | niklauz | ok the grub boot loader is an available option now!!!! |
| 21:21.19 | niklauz | it must be because i added the plain /boot partition instead of full disk lvm2 |
| 21:21.20 | dutchfish | niklauz, bingo |
| 21:21.42 | niklauz | thats fine, i can live with that :) |
| 21:21.58 | mhall | How can I get a deb of 2.6.28? I would rather avoid a hand compile but there is a patch I need in that release. |
| 21:22.22 | nick_h[litage] | enouf: i don't think that's the reason, because Lenny has a package named "daemontools-run" |
| 21:23.03 | niklauz | thanks everyone (enouf dutchfish hark) i'll need to keep this requirement in mind in the future |
| 21:23.12 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: thanks for mentioning that ... finally :-P |
| 21:23.15 | hark | mhall: the debian kernel buildserver |
| 21:23.17 | dutchfish | it looks like grub prefers some FSes and doe snot support them all at least i can boot from ext3 ext4 xfs vfat |
| 21:23.21 | mhall | hark: link? |
| 21:23.31 | nick_h[litage] | enouf: ? |
| 21:23.49 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: you must've told the source pkg, which likely builds a few different binaries, such as the -run pkg as well to build that one |
| 21:24.03 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: apt-cache showsrc daemontools |
| 21:24.17 | enouf | see the Binary Package names listed? |
| 21:24.36 | enouf | mhall: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 21:24.57 | hark | !wikifaq mhall DebianKernel |
| 21:24.57 | dpkg | mhall: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 21:25.41 | nick_h[litage] | enouf: yeah, "daemontools" and "daemontools-run" are listed as binary packages of "daemontools" |
| 21:25.52 | DeSian | is this chip supported in Debian "Atheros AR5005UG" |
| 21:25.53 | nick_h[litage] | enouf: however, when i tried to build daemontools, i didn't mention anything about "-run" |
| 21:25.55 | DeSian | ? |
| 21:25.59 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: now; ~$ apt-cache depends daemontools-run |
| 21:26.21 | jerojasro | how can I forbid loading a module at boot time? I've already tried adding the module to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, without success |
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| 21:26.25 | niklauz | (just curious) i didn't see an option for grub2 in the installer, is that usually an option for lenny? |
| 21:26.32 | enouf | well - you did something wrong nick_h[litage] - tell it to build what you want it to .. you sure you didn't end up with BOTH .debs? |
| 21:26.37 | jerojasro | the offending module is "lp" |
| 21:26.50 | mhall | DeSian: some atheros do work, i am not sure if that is one of them |
| 21:26.55 | hark | jerojasro: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 21:27.01 | nick_h[litage] | suddenly feels stupid |
| 21:27.04 | enouf | !+tell jerojasro -about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 21:27.05 | dpkg | told jerojasro about blacklist-initramfs. |
| 21:27.12 | dutchfish | niklauz, expert mode? |
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| 21:27.19 | mhall | DeSian: there is a driver called madwifi for many atheroses, you might read about that to get an idea |
| 21:27.19 | enouf | but jerojasro - you likely want to blacklist par_port and friends? |
| 21:27.22 | abrotman | mhall: see /topic #debian-kernel oftc |
| 21:27.31 | mhall | DeSian: then you can search packages.debian.org |
| 21:27.32 | nick_h[litage] | enouf: i didn't look hard enough. the daemontools deb is nestled between a bunch of other similarly-named files, and thus i didn't see it |
| 21:27.38 | nick_h[litage] | enouf: thanks, mate. much appreciate |
| 21:27.43 | nick_h[litage] | s/appreciate/appreciated/ |
| 21:27.43 | DeSian | mhall: yes thanx |
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| 21:27.48 | enouf | jerojasro: hehe |
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| 21:27.49 | enouf | ~$ modinfo lp | grep depends |
| 21:27.50 | enouf | depends: parport |
| 21:28.01 | niklauz | dutchfish: ya i didn't see it in expert mode... actually i should dig a little more to be sure... |
| 21:28.05 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: np ;-) |
| 21:28.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | DeSian, look at /msg dpkg ath5k |
| 21:28.36 | DeSian | CutMeOwnThroat: yes i know thanx |
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| 21:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | DeSian, /msg dpkg madwifi for the stable drivers and link to a page which hopefully tells you if your chipset is supported |
| 21:30.04 | DeSian | CutMeOwnThroat: thnx again ;) |
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| 21:33.05 | Moomoc | Hello |
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| 21:34.25 | homecable | what packages do ineed to comple a kernel ? |
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| 21:34.35 | homecable | i'm using debian 5.0 |
| 21:34.49 | upIRC | homecable: alot |
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| 21:35.21 | upIRC | alot you don't know about |
| 21:35.32 | niklauz | dutchfish: grub2 is there, i spoke to soon (sorry about that) |
| 21:35.48 | dutchfish | homecable, aptitude install build-essential and some other stuff |
| 21:36.03 | abrotman | !tell homecable about kernel-pacakge |
| 21:36.05 | abrotman | !tell homecable about kernel-package |
| 21:36.15 | enouf | hey guys - since i have all these smart folks around, let me ask; I have an IBM Thinkpad - an old i-Series (Model/Type 1161) came with windows98, but sticker says win2K as well as 98 - i need to access it (to reinstall new OS) - haven't tried yet (but others have, and have issues) - any pointers? (i know about thinkwiki.org and #ibmthinkpad already) Thanks! |
| 21:36.25 | dutchfish | !tell homecable about kp-mantra |
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| 21:36.57 | abrotman | enouf: thinkwiki.org .. but that's pretty old .. minus apc issues if they exist, i'd guess it would be fine |
| 21:37.31 | enouf | it has a CDROM drive atleast - USB 1.1, and a ps/2 port AFAICT ... Intel Celeron (ugh) .. .. and battery is dead, so it always needs the adapter plugged in |
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| 21:37.55 | abrotman | make sure that's not an s-video vs ps/2 |
| 21:37.57 | enouf | abrotman: thanks - i'm worried about old style IML, and possible HDD locks, and BIOS locks |
| 21:38.05 | enouf | ahh .. hrm |
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| 21:38.35 | haxi | chmod a-x file.sh && source ./file.sh (<- that can execute a bash script without +x permission, WTF?) |
| 21:38.51 | JoeLow | i dont know why i decided to install ubuntu on this laptop rather than debian..its got loads of stuff i dont want.. |
| 21:38.54 | enouf | abrotman: nope - it's ps/2 ;-) thanks |
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| 21:39.27 | JoeLow | theres some kind of network manager running hijacking my wireless card, whenever i try setting it via console it resets to whatever it thinks is right :( |
| 21:39.49 | enouf | alrighty then .. shall we fire this puppy up and have a looksee? hrmm :-) |
| 21:40.00 | Moomoc | I've mounted a windows directory from my Lenny stem via smbfs. If I open a text file and save the first time, all is okay. The second time, the file is write protected. ls -l say I have write permissions, but I have to add w! if I'm using vim, what do I wrong? |
| 21:40.06 | nick_h[litage] | enouf: i just finished backporting daemontools and djbdns from Lenny to Etch, and they installed perfectly. thanks for your help, mate! |
| 21:40.19 | enouf | abrotman: at the very corner in the back i see a little slot, that i know has something to do with security of some sort |
| 21:40.30 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: bravo! ;-) |
| 21:40.45 | niklauz | anyone know what state of usefullness grub2 is in? |
| 21:41.05 | enouf | niklauz: two places - #grub and #debian-grub? |
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| 21:41.30 | niklauz | enouf: mkay |
| 21:41.53 | enouf | otherwise, go bother the dev channels, but be warned, have patience and be willing to be pummelled should you spout incorrect presumptions :-p |
| 21:42.23 | niklauz | lol, theres nobody in #debian-grub lol |
| 21:42.24 | tubaman | Moomoc, set 'unix extensions = No' in your smb.conf and restart samba on the server |
| 21:42.27 | enouf | niklauz: sorry - i meant debian-grub as in the mailing list - if such a group exists at lists.debian.org |
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| 21:42.55 | Moomoc | tubaman: I'll try it |
| 21:43.04 | niklauz | enouf: ook, i think i'll just take the plunge, noone is biting at #grub (i started out asking there) |
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| 21:43.22 | homecable | whats /usr/sbin/famd -T 0 |
| 21:44.50 | enouf | niklauz: well, you did visit their .. er wiki, or whatever, yes? |
| 21:45.05 | enouf | homecable: man fam |
| 21:45.17 | enouf | !fam |
| 21:45.18 | dpkg | well, fam is a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 21:45.31 | enouf | heh |
| 21:46.35 | homecable | i installed lighttpd and it install that with portmap |
| 21:46.44 | homecable | so i apt-get remove portmap |
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| 21:47.09 | myeggo | what is the difference about apt-get and aptitude? |
| 21:47.18 | sepski | !whyaptitude |
| 21:47.23 | sepski | !why aptitude |
| 21:47.23 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 21:47.51 | niklauz | enouf: i didn't... i check on the fsf site and the grub frontpage, but didn't dig too deep |
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| 21:48.23 | niklauz | i'm comfortable fixing it if it breaks, i was just wondering if there were huge flashing warnings :) |
| 21:48.30 | myeggo | so apt-get > aptitude? |
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| 21:48.41 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:49.05 | eptalon | Does the buildserver no longer have 2.6.28 images? |
| 21:49.53 | alsd | niklauz: the lenny installer in expert mode asks if you want grub2 instead of 1, so that's a sign it's almost good for everyday use, i guess. never tried though |
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| 21:51.13 | enouf | niklauz: the grub2 pkgnames in debian are a bit weird, like grub-pc, grub-efi, etc |
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| 21:51.33 | enouf | judd: depends grub-pc |
| 21:52.00 | enouf | hrm |
| 21:52.00 | niklauz | alsd: ya i'd be surprised if i noticed a major difference for day to day use |
| 21:52.04 | niklauz | enouf: for the bios? |
| 21:52.21 | enouf | judd: versions grub-pc |
| 21:52.22 | judd | enouf: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-12 sid: 1.96+20080724-14 experimental: 1.96+20081201-1 |
| 21:52.34 | niklauz | i was reading that grub2 eliminates the need for stage 1.5 which i interesting |
| 21:52.36 | enouf | niklauz: huh? |
| 21:52.45 | enouf | niklauz: yes, everything is modular |
| 21:52.53 | Moomoc | tubaman: There happend not really something |
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| 21:53.31 | enouf | niklauz: the images have basically been exploded into each of it's constituent components, there's even an emulation boot module |
| 21:53.41 | bnk | how come 'ls -al' looks wierd on debian? |
| 21:54.06 | enouf | has to run for a bit - bbl |
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| 21:56.00 | homecable | joey:/usr/src# wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.28.1.tar.bz2 |
| 21:56.00 | homecable | --2009-02-04 15:49:48-- http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.28.1.tar.bz2 |
| 21:56.00 | homecable | Resolving www.kernel.org... 149.20.20.133, 199.6.1.164, 204.152.191.37, ... |
| 21:56.00 | homecable | Connecting to www.kernel.org|149.20.20.133|:80... connected. |
| 21:56.00 | homecable | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
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| 21:56.15 | homecable | why is kernel.org so slow |
| 21:57.06 | myeggo | is there a best snapshot program than the original? |
| 21:57.32 | myeggo | such like ksnapshot but not for kde |
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| 21:59.32 | Eulex | homecable, ask the kernel.org people? and please do not paste in the channel. |
| 21:59.53 | bittin_ | http://bittin.blinkenshell.org/mfSHwJVtf.png |
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| 22:03.37 | sfuentes | anyone know if there is a way to get google gears support in debian? |
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| 22:03.46 | Moomoc | c |
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| 22:04.35 | keith4 | sfuentes: is that a trick question? |
| 22:04.58 | keith4 | just change iceweasel's useragent string to firefox, briefly |
| 22:05.26 | sfuentes | that easy, eh? |
| 22:06.07 | keith4 | i assume you've already gone to gears.google.com and seen that it bitches about "your browser is not currently supported" |
| 22:06.14 | eptalon | sfuentes: /me wonders why ua string isnt settable. |
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| 22:06.39 | karsten | eptalon: IIRC there's a plugin/module that allows setting UAS by site. |
| 22:07.02 | karsten | still prefers: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Web/user-agent-string.html |
| 22:07.15 | eptalon | karsten: got an url? |
| 22:07.21 | eptalon | karsten: or name? |
| 22:08.01 | karsten | eptalon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox |
| 22:08.03 | karsten | :) |
| 22:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | prefbar is handy for that |
| 22:10.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I used to use it to be able to switch javascript on/off with a single mouseclick... but javascript has become a hell lot less annoying in firefox lately (and a lot more sites require it) |
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| 22:11.47 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I *still* allow/enable JS/Java on a site-by-site basis. |
| 22:12.01 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: noscript is your friend. |
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| 22:12.18 | eptalon | CutMeOwnThroat: Java has decent security features, I guess Javascript has too |
| 22:12.45 | asg | karsten: 1.9 version was just released too |
| 22:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, prefbar is good enough for me - whenever something gets annoying on a page, I can switch whatever it is off for a short time |
| 22:12.53 | karsten | eptalon: Yes, Javascript features I Guess It Has Security[tm]. |
| 22:13.03 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll check into it. |
| 22:13.12 | karsten | asg: ?? |
| 22:13.16 | karsten | 1.9 of what? |
| 22:13.23 | asg | noscript |
| 22:13.28 | karsten | asg: OK. |
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| 22:13.49 | karsten | asg: The one thing I find annoying about FF is the bloody module update nags. |
| 22:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | eptalon, why do you compare javascript and java? theyre two totally different things |
| 22:13.56 | Deepa | I installed Debian inside VMWare, without X but later on installed alsa. my sound is currently not working sowhere should I begin troubleshooting? |
| 22:14.15 | karsten | Deepa: Where isn't it working? |
| 22:14.37 | karsten | Deepa: You're not getting sound from the VM, or audio fails (eg: device not found) within the VM itself? |
| 22:14.42 | asg | karsten: true but there are worse things than that in the universe ;) |
| 22:14.54 | Deepa | No sound from VM and it doesn't mention failing to play it anywhere |
| 22:14.56 | karsten | asg: NO THERE AREN'T! |
| 22:15.06 | nick_h[litage] | backport packages' versions are supposed to have "~bpo...". where in a package's source would i append that? i thought it would be in PACKAGE-VERSION/debian/control or PACKAGE-VERSION/debian/PACKAGE/DEBIAN/control . however, the first isn't correct, and changes to the second are overwritten when building the package |
| 22:15.08 | karsten | asg: FF plug-in nags are as bad as it gets. |
| 22:15.13 | karsten | leads a rough life. |
| 22:15.50 | Deepa | hmm cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp gave output, but urandom to /dev/alsa didn't |
| 22:15.57 | asg | karsten: the 'lets randomly crash because someone touched the wheely thing on the mouse' is more of a problem for me. |
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| 22:17.11 | karsten | asg: What's doing that? |
| 22:17.17 | karsten | wonders what this "mouse" thing is. |
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| 22:17.59 | asg | karsten: dunno, it might be due to fluxbox since I haven't seen it happen on the gnomish netbook. |
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| 22:18.45 | pl4yer0ne | 'lo all |
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| 22:18.52 | BitUnique | how do i add a resolution to my xserver? my xorg file is not beeing write to by the nvidia driver |
| 22:19.06 | BitUnique | i assume i need to reconfigure x using the nvidia tool? |
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| 22:19.47 | BitUnique | nvidia-glx-config or something? |
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| 22:20.14 | pl4yer0ne | BitUnique, nvidia-xconfig |
| 22:20.44 | Deepa | is there any way to test if alsa works? |
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| 22:22.21 | alsd | Deepa: play some sound maybe? |
| 22:22.32 | asg | Deepa: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp **NOTE** turn down speakers if they are high because the horrible farty noise it makes will annoy your cats |
| 22:22.50 | BitUnique | pl4yer0ne: that only writes the files to /etc/X11 |
| 22:23.06 | BitUnique | i need to configure in 800x600 support to my xserver |
| 22:23.06 | alsd | asg: this one works with alsa too? |
| 22:23.09 | Deepa | asg, that gave oen short bzgh (approx sound) and nothing more |
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| 22:23.26 | Deepa | alsd, the sound I'm trying to play doesn't seem to want to work :P |
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| 22:25.24 | pl4yer0ne | BitUnique, /etc/X11/ is where xserver is configured |
| 22:25.42 | bnk | aahh..it's the LANG |
| 22:25.50 | Deepa | Using aplay with a wav I know works makes no sound at all |
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| 22:26.36 | alsd | Deepa: check the mixer settings with alsamixer and aumix |
| 22:26.44 | BitUnique | pl4yer0ne: yes i know. but i need to add support for 800x600 in it. but the xorg.conf file does not contain any configs. it seems that the nvidia driver is writing them elsewhere |
| 22:27.08 | alsd | BitUnique: they're auto detected at startup |
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| 22:27.20 | pl4yer0ne | oh yeah it probably is writing it to /root/xorg.conf.new or something liek that |
| 22:27.48 | alsd | BitUnique: but you can add the ones you want anyway to xorg.conf |
| 22:28.01 | BitUnique | aah. great. thanks :) |
| 22:29.08 | homecable | how do i keep debian from install x11 shit |
| 22:29.55 | alsd | homecable: simply don't install it or something that depends on it |
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| 22:30.37 | pl4yer0ne | homecable, if you install from the server cd it should not add X by default |
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| 22:32.18 | adama_ | homecable: choose only "Standard System" during the install |
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| 22:35.16 | BitUnique | i tried to add it to my xorg.conf file but i still get this error when opening a game with wine. err:x11settings:X11DRV_ChangeDisplaySettingsEx No matching mode found 800x600x32 @85! (XRandR) - any one ever encountered this? |
| 22:35.17 | homecable | i did |
| 22:35.20 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:39.45 | vlt | Hello. What is the correct sytax to install grub to a block device and tell it to read /boot/grub/* from (hd0,1) when booting? |
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| 22:40.06 | vlt | I tried `grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/partition/2 /dev/the/target/device` but I get "Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/of/root-directory. Check your device.map." |
| 22:40.24 | vlt | I put "(hd0,1) /dev/of/root-directoy" into device.map. Now I get "no mapping exists for (hd0)". Any idea? |
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| 22:44.13 | blxd | anyone know why apt-file update fails in lenny and how to fix it? |
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| 22:45.15 | Edico | hello |
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| 22:45.55 | Edico | what package I must install for the c functions manual (like isdigit, atof, ... )? |
| 22:46.07 | valdyn | vlt: stick to mapping disks in device.map, not partitions |
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| 22:48.20 | Kirkegaard | hello...if i will run a c++ / mysql code. what packet do i need to install ? |
| 22:48.42 | valdyn | Kirkegaard: apt-cache search mysql odbc |
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| 22:50.25 | Kirkegaard | okay, do you know whits one ? i got this error "libstdc++.so.5" |
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| 22:51.40 | valdyn | Kirkegaard: that is not an error, thats a library |
| 22:51.56 | Kirkegaard | " error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 22:54.43 | enouf | vlt: pastebn output of 'mount' |
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| 22:55.30 | Kirkegaard | valdyn is it somthing you can help me whit |
| 22:55.34 | enouf | vlt: don't worry about device.map, as a matter of fact, move it out of the way, or comment out what's there, or put it back to what it was |
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| 23:05.07 | vyrus001 | what package holds the comm module for lua? |
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| 23:06.49 | enouf | !+tell vyrus001 -about search |
| 23:06.49 | dpkg | told vyrus001 about search. |
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| 23:08.21 | lakin | Ok, my friend bought a small Xburst based netbook. It came with a custom version of linux, we'd like to put Debian on it. Turns out another company provides the same netbook with Debian Etch - http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Letux%20400 - anyone have any insight on whether I'll be able to just install debian-mipsel or if I'll need a custom kernel? |
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| 23:09.23 | shad0w | hello everyone |
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| 23:09.51 | shad0w | anyone knows how to prevent 2nd screen to close when i see a video? |
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| 23:10.06 | maltyz | Is debian just about like ubuntu as far as commands and so on? |
| 23:10.41 | maltyz | I am thinking of installing debian on my old pc |
| 23:11.11 | enouf | shad0w: no idea - explain what you mean, and apps in use |
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| 23:11.32 | enouf | maltyz: /msg dpkg ubuntu - /msg dpkg why debian |
| 23:11.32 | dec3pti0n | anyone here has built deb pkgs before ? |
| 23:11.46 | enouf | does make-kpkg count? |
| 23:11.50 | adama_ | maltyz: except for the whole "sudo" thing, pretty much, sort of, sometimes |
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| 23:12.01 | enouf | adama_: ... huh? |
| 23:12.07 | rgr | iceweasel is opening rm files streamed in with mplayer. There is no rm file extension in the iceweasel application seetings. How can I change this to use realplayer? |
| 23:12.13 | dec3pti0n | enouf, don |
| 23:12.16 | enouf | adama_: do you mean sudo related pkgs? |
| 23:12.17 | Leadline | hey guys, I'm having a bit of trouble getting my display to work |
| 23:12.21 | dec3pti0n | enouf, don't know what that is |
| 23:12.27 | maltyz | For Desktop use, all I use a computer for is to basically advertise ads through the web on firefox and I want to also use it to backup my files on, it's my extra pc. |
| 23:12.36 | maltyz | and burn cds |
| 23:12.38 | enouf | dec3pti0n: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 23:12.46 | adama_ | enouf: no, I mean how Ubuntu wants you to use "sudo" to do things as root |
| 23:12.56 | adama_ | I hate that |
| 23:13.08 | Leadline | when I boot up my screens are messed up; I get a lot of horizontal bars on one screen and vertical bars on the other |
| 23:13.19 | enouf | maltyz: FOSS, Debian GNU/Linux. being one distribution, is very capable of serving even Google pages ;-) |
| 23:13.26 | dec3pti0n | ohh thought that was some kde packing stuff :) |
| 23:13.49 | rgr | anyone? how to associate rm files with realplayer when playing streams from iceweasel? |
| 23:13.54 | enouf | adama_: er. ..ok, btu that really has nothing to do with buiilding pkgs |
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| 23:14.02 | shad0w | enouf,i use kmplayer and i see a video on my 2nd screen....It's an extended screen of my main screen...but powersaving turns the screen black on both screens |
| 23:14.18 | enouf | rgr: some realmedia plugin? |
| 23:14.23 | maltyz | Yeah, I will probably install debian since I can let it install through network instead of burning many cds or a large cd |
| 23:14.35 | adama_ | enouf: I was talking to maltyz not dec3pti0n |
| 23:14.35 | rgr | you recommend one? |
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| 23:15.52 | shad0w | enouf,find it thnx anyway |
| 23:15.56 | enouf | rgr: try 'about:plugins' .. google tutorials about installing them i guess - /msg dpkg dmm |
| 23:16.11 | enouf | rgr: in the iceweasel address bar |
| 23:16.25 | enouf | rgr: try 'about:plugins' .. in the iceweasel address bar |
| 23:16.41 | enouf | adama_: it's ok - i'm a bit confused myself :-p |
| 23:16.53 | maltyz | When you create accounts in debian, does it make that user there own home folder, where they can't edit other users files. I know it probably has that, just wondering. |
| 23:16.53 | pinholecamera | ahh, very weird... was sending emails fine via sendmail before, but now all of a sudden it's returning "DSN: Data format error " |
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| 23:17.28 | enouf | shad0w: i'm not sure, but try settings within k control center (kcontrol) |
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| 23:17.35 | redrain | Hi, I'm trying to add logging to my server. But somehow it gives error for log file: isc_log_open '/var/log/named/security.log' failed: file not found |
| 23:17.35 | pinholecamera | i havent changed the hosts or anything, very weird... any idea why it'd do that without changing anything? |
| 23:17.49 | redrain | But I'm sure it's there: -rw-rw-rw- 1 bind adm 0 2009-02-05 00:38 /var/log/named/security.log |
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| 23:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | maltyz, I'd think every distribution does that... (except linux for PDAs etc.) |
| 23:18.20 | shad0w | enouf,yes i already did this,its in power control |
| 23:18.25 | shad0w | thnx anyway |
| 23:18.39 | Leadline | does anyone know how I can get out of X? |
| 23:18.59 | dmoerner | Leadline: ctrl + alt + backspace |
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| 23:19.03 | KyKo | Can one access the saved game data of a playstation 3 with a live cd, or is it some unreadable file system? Old ps3 died. New ps3 came. Would like to scoot that data over, but new ps3 wants to format old HD. |
| 23:19.12 | rgr | Leadline: you mean restart it? if not ctl-alt-f1, login and then stop it |
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| 23:19.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | redrain, might not have permission to change into that directory or might run in a chroot (the latter being unlikely imo) |
| 23:19.48 | enouf | shad0w: is kpowersave installed and being used? if so look into that - also, see #debian-kde perhaps - just try to be concise and offer as much info as possible |
| 23:19.56 | Leadline | my problem is that nothing is displaying properly |
| 23:20.09 | Leadline | I get this sort of tearing effect |
| 23:20.43 | Leadline | after doing ctrl alt bksp, my screen is red with a few black and white dots scattered around |
| 23:21.06 | Leadline | and my second screen has green vertical bars and some flashing white ones |
| 23:21.15 | redrain | CutMeOwnThroat, drwxrwxrwx 2 bind adm 4096 2009-02-05 00:38 named. Everyone can write the directory and the file now, but still same problem |
| 23:21.49 | dkr | darn security restrictions. didn't think configuring mailman would be so annoying (now running into issue about exim4 not working with aliases to pipes by default) |
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| 23:22.20 | vasco | excuse what is sid? |
| 23:22.23 | adama_ | KyKo: I tried that once and it did not work. However I think the hard drive was f***ed |
| 23:22.25 | vasco | and what is lenny ? |
| 23:22.36 | adama_ | KyKo: I believe I read that it can be done |
| 23:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | vasco, ask dpkg... /msg dpkg sid and /msg dpkg lenny |
| 23:22.47 | lakin | wow - http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-mipsel/current/images/cobalt/netboot-2.6/ assuming that this thing is 'cobalt' (which I have no idea), what do I do with those files? |
| 23:22.49 | proem | \leave |
| 23:22.53 | proem | \quit |
| 23:22.55 | adama_ | KyKo: couldn't hurt to try :) |
| 23:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal proem |
| 23:22.56 | dpkg | points at proem and laughs uproariously |
| 23:22.58 | vlt | enouf: This is the actual command: "grub-install --root-directory=mnt-w2k/ /dev/mapper/xenia1-w2k" and this the corresponding line from `mount`: "/dev/loop1 on /root/mnt-w2k type ext2 (rw)" |
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| 23:23.09 | adama_ | ehhe |
| 23:23.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, just in time |
| 23:23.26 | KyKo | adama_: Indeed it couldn't! |
| 23:23.32 | KyKo | adama_: thanks |
| 23:23.38 | vlt | enouf: And the error message: "grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/loop1. Check your device.map" |
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| 23:24.01 | vyrus001 | anybody know what provdes the comm.lua and comm.so files? ive been searching apt-file for the past 30 min? |
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| 23:24.30 | lakin | and I finally figured out what mips-EL stands for ... hahah! little-endian, that's brilliant |
| 23:24.44 | lakin | starts reading http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/mipsel/pr01.html.en |
| 23:25.11 | vlt | enouf: So grub-install found out that the root-dir resides on /dev/loop1. When I put "(hd0,1) /dev/loop1" to device.map manually, it complains about missing map for (hd0). |
| 23:25.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | vyrus001, how did you manage to search for 30 minutes with apt-file? Either it's there or it's not, no? |
| 23:26.11 | adama_ | vlt: I don't think loop devices are real devices, they point back onto a file on another device |
| 23:26.15 | vyrus001 | CutMeOwnThroat: as in i kept trying other combinations of comm and lua lib names after just searching for the file didnt work |
| 23:26.32 | vlt | adama_: And what's the problem with that? |
| 23:26.35 | vyrus001 | CutMeOwnThroat: also tried google (ofcourse), debian site, etc... |
| 23:26.41 | maltyz | Also when you run adduser, or useradd, does it auto create the folder name of that user and sets it's permissions |
| 23:26.42 | maltyz | ? |
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| 23:26.55 | craigevil | vyrus001: comm.lua is part of nmap, /usr/share/nmap/nselib/comm.lua , /usr/lib/libx11globalcomm.so.1 |
| 23:26.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | vyrus001, what program needs it and what's the exact error that gave you these filenames (they don't really look like filename sto me) |
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| 23:27.07 | vyrus001 | craigevil: i dont have that file |
| 23:27.12 | vyrus001 | nmap is installed |
| 23:27.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | maltyz, one does, the other doesn't |
| 23:27.29 | maltyz | what one is that? |
| 23:27.33 | adama_ | vlt: I don't know, i wasn't paying attention, I just thought it looked suspicious |
| 23:28.12 | craigevil | vyrus001: libarts1-dev: /usr/lib/libx11globalcomm.so, nmap: /usr/share/nmap/nselib/comm.lua |
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| 23:28.37 | adama_ | maltyz: adduser blah makes /home/blah and other config stuff |
| 23:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | craigevil, I don't see the nmap one |
| 23:28.48 | pirx_ | hi! how do i install/create locales in debian? |
| 23:29.04 | vlt | adama_: I want to install grub to /dev/mapper/xenia1-w2k and make it read /boot/grub/* from (hd0,1) which is mounted in /root/mnt-w2k/ |
| 23:29.13 | vlt | adama_: What else does grub need to know? |
| 23:29.17 | maltyz | I will be using this computer as a desktop, so if I just go to the gui of users in admin, that should mostly guide me through it? |
| 23:29.44 | craigevil | hm thats what apt-fule search comm.lua shows for me, apt-file search comm.so shows several files mostly libx and arts |
| 23:29.48 | llimeht | craigevil: perhaps changed between etch and lenny. |
| 23:30.02 | craigevil | llimeht: could be im on sid |
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| 23:30.08 | vyrus001 | craigevil: still not there |
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| 23:30.21 | adama_ | maltyz, should be fine |
| 23:30.25 | miksuh | pirx: # dpkg-reconfigure locales then select locales to be generated |
| 23:30.29 | adama_ | vlt, I don't know, sorry |
| 23:30.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | pirx_, you don't have locales?! how weird... "apt-get install locales" in principle, but I thought they're installed by default |
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| 23:31.12 | llimeht | craigevil: or perhaps you need to run apt-file update.... http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/nmap/filelist |
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| 23:31.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | craigevil, apt-cache madison nmap - perhaps you got it from somewhere else? |
| 23:32.26 | vyrus001 | nothin... ive updatedb'd and located for it a bunch of times, reinstalled nmap, updated, and dist-upgraded |
| 23:32.29 | vyrus001 | can NOT find it |
| 23:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | llimeht, hm but if the file was in the stable package, it shouldn't have disappeared |
| 23:32.39 | vyrus001 | and im on sid (for reference) |
| 23:32.48 | llimeht | CutMeOwnThroat: I can't find it in any debian nmap package |
| 23:32.50 | craigevil | CutMeOwnThroat: nmap | 4.68-1 | http://ftp.nl.debian.org sid/main Sources |
| 23:32.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | llimeht, me neither, indeed |
| 23:33.15 | llimeht | vyrus001: what is it and why do you need it? |
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| 23:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | llimeht, if he wouldn't see it, I'd have thought it's perhaps created when running a program or by a postinst script or something... |
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| 23:33.48 | vyrus001 | llimeht: its part of an nmap script that gets used in a new security tool im trying out called meta scan |
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| 23:34.40 | llimeht | !btssmite vyrus001 |
| 23:34.40 | dpkg | beats vyrus001 around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if vyrus001 is running Unstable |
| 23:34.44 | llimeht | !dbugs 498020 |
| 23:34.47 | dpkg | #498020:N[nmap] Some upstream files not shipped; breaks script engine (pending); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:42:01 UTC [] |
| 23:35.09 | vyrus001 | hm |
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| 23:35.59 | vyrus001 | well i guess i should just compile nmap huh ;) |
| 23:36.15 | alsd | vyrus001: it's the same on lenny it seems |
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| 23:36.47 | llimeht | vyrus001: you could look at the package on mentors.debian.net perhaps. |
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| 23:39.27 | vyrus001 | llimeht: hm, never used this page before |
| 23:40.25 | craigevil | vyrus001: if your running sid you might try using the sidux package of nmap |
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| 23:44.26 | myeggo | how can I change the Default File Manager in Gnome |
| 23:44.36 | myeggo | i want to use thunar instead nautilus |
| 23:44.59 | myeggo | i saw some tutorial but they just changing the .desktop files and it is still opening nautiluz |
| 23:46.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can put thunar in a $HOME/.xinitrc |
| 23:46.42 | blxd | anyone setup libnotify with hellanzb successfully? |
| 23:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | for not running nautilus - no idea where that's started |
| 23:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't do filemanagers... or gnome |
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| 23:48.55 | vyrus001 | craigevil: llimeht ended up just downloading and compileing src |
| 23:49.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'find /etc -type f -exec grep nautilus '{}' + 2>/dev/null' might provide some clues to that, though |
| 23:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | exchange /etc against $HOME to see if it's in one of your personal startup files |
| 23:49.53 | craigevil | myeggo: take a look at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/nonautilusplease |
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| 23:50.20 | myeggo | i tried that already |
| 23:50.24 | myeggo | that didnt work |
| 23:50.36 | myeggo | right now im following this one http://www.ubuntugeek.com/switch-to-a-lightweight-filemanager.html |
| 23:50.50 | myeggo | but double click on the drive icons on desktop and is still running nautilus |
| 23:50.57 | myeggo | i may shall restart session |
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| 23:51.30 | Tapout | Anyone know how to get HPN sshd patches on debian without going too far away from default packaging |
| 23:51.47 | myeggo | yea it works |
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| 23:51.57 | myeggo | if someone want to know the point is gksu gedit /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop |
| 23:52.30 | myeggo | that by the way i have seen there encoding is utf-8, and instead º i see a strange symbol |
| 23:53.01 | myeggo | i guess changing that encoding could work |
| 23:53.14 | zinx | it's specified to be utf-8, probably |
| 23:53.28 | zinx | just let your editor know it's utf-8 :/ |
| 23:53.32 | enouf | vlt: 1st off someone told you - you map disks in device.map, not their partitions |
| 23:53.49 | myeggo | i dont use utf8 |
| 23:53.55 | enouf | vlt: so , (hd0,X) is wrong |
| 23:54.11 | enouf | vlt: so , (hd0) /dev/something is correct |
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| 23:56.10 | enouf | 2ndly vlt , you use --root-dir=/mnt-win2k (note; leading / for /mnt ...not trailing) -- 3rd use 'find /boot/grub/stage1" within a grub shell boot .. and use tab completion to help with root (hd[TAB][TAB] |
| 23:56.38 | enouf | vlt: also, add the --recheck option |
| 23:56.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can use find from within grub at bootup? |
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| 23:57.10 | enouf | vlt: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 23:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 762] by debhelper |
| 23:59.12 | *** part/#debian pau1 (n=paul@189.133.89.119) |
| 23:59.48 | *** join/#debian zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) |
