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| 00:04.09 | halflife08 | hello folks, i am kind of confused about nsswitch.conf to enable ldap logins and enabling pam modules in /etc/pam.d/system-auth. it seems that i can login by just specifying passwd: files ldap in /etc/nsswitch.conf when my account details are in ldap. then what is the purpose of adding enteries /etc/pam.d/systhem-auth for ldap |
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| 00:18.30 | dutchfish | where can i find any examples / info on creating my own .udeb's for an altered installer? |
| 00:18.52 | Maulkin | #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:19.13 | vasco_ | it s a good idea to use LVM or encrypted LVM ? |
| 00:19.40 | dutchfish | Maulkin, are they there for aksing user q too? like me being a newb developer |
| 00:19.59 | Maulkin | dutchfish: no, but people who know about udebs are there. |
| 00:20.10 | dutchfish | Maulkin, ok, i give it a shot |
| 00:20.17 | dutchfish | Maulkin, thank you |
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| 00:24.35 | vasco_ | the / partition need to has boot flags on right? |
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| 00:25.05 | alsd | vasco_: if you're using grub no |
| 00:25.27 | vasco_ | i am using grub of course |
| 00:25.37 | alsd | vasco_: that can be useful with lilo on the partition |
| 00:25.48 | vasco_ | alsd, and how many space for / partition then |
| 00:26.03 | vasco_ | the default partitionning gives me 400 MO space |
| 00:26.08 | vasco_ | but i think it s not enough |
| 00:26.39 | alsd | vasco_: depends on how you set it up, if you have say separate /home, /usr and /var, 400Mo will be ok i guess |
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| 00:27.06 | alsd | vasco_: otherwise a single partition install with gnome is about 1.5G |
| 00:27.33 | vasco_ | alsd, but if tomorow i will install nessus from the src |
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| 00:28.27 | alsd | vasco_: if you have room in /usr/src or /home no problem |
| 00:28.27 | vasco_ | i will need an /opt directory, and if i understand well it will be create on the / partition ? |
| 00:28.45 | vasco_ | it s by default created |
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| 00:29.08 | alsd | vasco_: seems like yes |
| 00:29.16 | vasco_ | ok |
| 00:29.32 | vasco_ | then i understand the process |
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| 00:31.52 | twiadpaws | lo |
| 00:32.06 | twiadpaws | do i need imapd only to get squirrelmail to run? |
| 00:32.53 | tubaman | twiadpaws, yup |
| 00:32.57 | vasco_ | alsd, i am sorry but with the default partionning the / partition is "bootable flag: on" |
| 00:33.34 | twiadpaws | tubaman, how do i configure imapd? |
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| 00:34.44 | tubaman | twiadpaws, there's a few iimap server packages to choose from... I've used uw-imapd and dovecot-imapd... apt-get install one of those |
| 00:35.17 | twiadpaws | i've used this courier, hmh, which of them would you recommend? |
| 00:36.09 | vasco_ | what antivirus do you use on your debian ? |
| 00:36.11 | vasco_ | claim AV ? |
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| 00:38.56 | Xenguy | vasco_: that seems to be popular |
| 00:39.02 | Xenguy | clamav |
| 00:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | none? |
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| 00:39.35 | alsd | vasco_: it's not required with grub anyway |
| 00:39.39 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: yeh, I don't bother with it either |
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| 00:40.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xenguy, it's only useful if you're a mailserver or a filerver for windows machines... |
| 00:41.07 | twiadpaws | tubaman, how to configure uw-imapd then? :)) |
| 00:42.38 | tubaman | twiadpaws, it's started via inetd (/etc/inetd.conf) |
| 00:43.15 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps when I use the w and who command as root I can't see a sftp connection why is that? is there a way to change it ? |
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| 00:44.15 | Xenguy | bbelt16ag: lsof or netcat (hrm, my memory may be failing) |
| 00:44.18 | Xenguy | ? |
| 00:44.39 | bbelt16ag | ok.. |
| 00:44.47 | twiadpaws | tubaman, yeh there's an entry. but the webinterface of squirrelmail requires an account to be set up, how do i do this? |
| 00:45.06 | Xenguy | bbelt16ag: netcat is wrong, I'm thinking of netstat |
| 00:45.07 | dutchfish | bbelt16ag, maybe something like grep "ftp" /var/log/auth.log |
| 00:45.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a peep |
| 00:45.33 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 00:45.34 | tubaman | twiadpaws, /usr/share/doc/uw-imapd/README.Debian |
| 00:45.39 | Xenguy | bbelt16ag: OK brainfart, netstat is wrong also (?) |
| 00:45.45 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 00:45.47 | tubaman | twiadpaws, it's PAM authenticated |
| 00:45.48 | Xenguy | bbelt16ag: lsof is handy tho |
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| 00:46.16 | magyar | any news for the new stable? |
| 00:46.18 | bbelt16ag | what's lsof for |
| 00:47.05 | Xenguy | bbelt16ag: stands for 'list (ls) open files' but works to show various connections to your server |
| 00:47.08 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 00:47.41 | magyar | hmm feb 14, interesting |
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| 00:48.36 | Xenguy | bbelt16ag: OK, I'm not going senile yet - netstat is also correct net-tools: /bin/netstat |
| 00:48.50 | Xenguy | (part of the net-tools package |
| 00:48.57 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 00:49.23 | Xenguy | I find lsof a bit more intuitive, but netstat is the 'traditional' tool for monitoring connections to your server |
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| 00:50.29 | twiadpaws | em... so uw-imapd uses the accounts set up on the system itself... squirrelmail returns "error connecting to IMAP server: localhost 111 : Connection refused" what is this caused by? |
| 00:51.15 | labuser | I'm currently running debian testing and I heard that it is going to be released soon. Is it possible to upgrade to the release version? |
| 00:52.40 | llimeht | labuser: of course. Just make sure you have "lenny" in your sources.list and not "testing", the aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade. |
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| 00:54.09 | labuser | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 00:54.17 | labuser | Is that what you're talking about? |
| 00:54.20 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 00:54.30 | bbelt16ag | thanks Xenguy |
| 00:54.57 | llimeht | labuser: yeah, that looks fine. Just make sure there are no other lines that have "testing" in them. |
| 00:55.20 | llimeht | labuser: also make sure you have a line for "lenny/updates" from security.debian.org |
| 00:55.55 | labuser | I also see some lines that start with deb-src |
| 00:56.05 | labuser | But they all say lenny |
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| 00:58.42 | twiadpaws | can anyone help me configuring uw-imapd? : < |
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| 01:02.56 | labuser | twiadpaws: try asking a specific question - otherwise people won't know if they can help you |
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| 01:10.18 | bbelt16ag | lsof is my new hero! |
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| 01:18.39 | rocko | is this deb package good http://ifile.it/ft0qkog |
| 01:18.46 | rocko | ok |
| 01:18.53 | rocko | it is my first deb package |
| 01:18.58 | rocko | I used checkinstall |
| 01:19.08 | rocko | first cmake though |
| 01:19.30 | rocko | because it uses cmake to make the makefiles |
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| 01:20.10 | mandric | i'm running etch and having a problem with installing RoR. the gem package installs appropriately but i get an error when i run it. |
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| 01:20.34 | mandric | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.45 | mandric | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:20.55 | rocko | I see mandric |
| 01:20.59 | mandric | so i can't install the RoR deps |
| 01:21.05 | rocko | maybe try a recompile |
| 01:21.19 | mandric | rocko: i installed from aptitude |
| 01:21.26 | mandric | trying to avoid recompile |
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| 01:21.31 | mandric | err, compiling |
| 01:21.56 | mandric | is etch still stable version of debian? (guess i should just check the website) |
| 01:22.49 | mandric | wondering if i should do a dist-upgrade |
| 01:22.51 | Stroganoff | mandric: try this fix: http://nickdenardis.com/2008/11/29/fixing-uninitialized-constant-gemgemrunner-nameerror-ubuntu/ |
| 01:23.22 | rocko | mandric you could try this | mkdir gem ; cd gem ; apt-get build-dep gem ; apt-get -b source gem ; dkpg -i *.deb |
| 01:23.47 | mandric | trying Stroganoff's sugg |
| 01:24.22 | mandric | seems to have fixed i |
| 01:24.23 | mandric | it |
| 01:24.36 | rocko | I see |
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| 01:25.12 | Stroganoff | google is magic |
| 01:25.38 | stoned | good evening |
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| 01:29.20 | prxtien | hey all, just compiled a new kernel, trying to install it and im getting a error message .... http://pastebin.com/m1b475ad8 |
| 01:29.25 | dmi3on | what windows emulator i should install on debian ? |
| 01:29.28 | prxtien | if anyone has suggestions thatd be great, thanks |
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| 01:30.12 | prxtien | actually, looks like i answered my own question! |
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| 01:34.34 | Stroganoff | dmi3on, virtual box or vmware (if you can afford it) |
| 01:34.57 | dmi3on | Stronganoff, nothing free |
| 01:35.24 | Stroganoff | vmware then, i guess |
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| 01:36.50 | dmi3on | Stronganoff, i only want to run win software i dont want to install windows, you think vmware is best to use ? |
| 01:37.37 | Stroganoff | no, so you want to install WINE then |
| 01:38.20 | Seth_Hikaru | Stroganoff I think your jumping the gun there. |
| 01:38.49 | Seth_Hikaru | dmi3on I would suggest VMWare. |
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| 01:39.07 | Stroganoff | i think he didn't make his case clear and isn't using punctuation properly |
| 01:39.09 | kyrix | youll have to install windows, but it will be less of a pain |
| 01:39.25 | kyrix | wine isnt always easy. it depends on the application, etc... |
| 01:39.27 | Seth_Hikaru | Wine isn't even perfect yet so it wont be able to run some programs. |
| 01:39.44 | Seth_Hikaru | Or something will be missing. |
| 01:39.56 | kyrix | on the other hand, if you want to run autocad or 3d studio and do heavy duty rendering, dual boot. |
| 01:40.01 | kgoetz | dont expect anything trying to translate the win32 api to be perfect ... |
| 01:40.05 | Seth_Hikaru | I don't understand why they just don't use windows .dll's/ |
| 01:40.13 | Stroganoff | O.o |
| 01:40.30 | kyrix | it all depends what u will be using |
| 01:40.32 | Seth_Hikaru | Yes that may be a bad thing to say but comon. |
| 01:40.48 | Seth_Hikaru | Who really wants to make dlls? |
| 01:40.57 | Stroganoff | i think you're a bit confused about the technical backgrounds, Seth_Hikaru |
| 01:41.12 | kyrix | and legal ones too. |
| 01:41.14 | kyrix | ;) |
| 01:41.15 | Seth_Hikaru | I thought they made there own .dll's for Wine. |
| 01:41.34 | dmi3on | i am lost |
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| 01:41.54 | kyrix | dont worry. this doesnt have to do with your question dmi3on :) |
| 01:42.10 | dmi3on | :) |
| 01:42.20 | Seth_Hikaru | Sorry about that. |
| 01:42.22 | Stroganoff | Seth_Hikaru, windows .dll aren't designed to run on anything but windows, that's why they have to be recreated in the first place... |
| 01:42.33 | Seth_Hikaru | Really? |
| 01:42.43 | Stroganoff | it just wouldn't work. |
| 01:42.46 | Seth_Hikaru | So how do .dll's run in Linux? |
| 01:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks ad dmi3on ... |
| 01:42.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | found you! |
| 01:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | (lost+found) |
| 01:43.19 | dmi3on | i guess my choice is wine because i neet to try to run only windows software in debian nothing else |
| 01:43.36 | Stroganoff | dmi3on what kind of windows apps do you intent to run? |
| 01:43.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmi3on, try wine first, if that doesn't run all you need you can look for alternatives |
| 01:44.03 | Stroganoff | dmi3on you can browse the WINE compatiblity list at this place: http://appdb.winehq.org/appbrowse.php |
| 01:44.15 | Seth_Hikaru | Well is that the full list? |
| 01:44.19 | Stroganoff | yes |
| 01:44.22 | dmi3on | Stroganoff, its trading software that connects to server downloads quotes sends orders etc... |
| 01:44.24 | kyrix | what apps do you want to run? |
| 01:44.44 | kyrix | ouch |
| 01:45.27 | kyrix | is it critical software dmi3on? i mean business wise? |
| 01:45.35 | kyrix | businesswise |
| 01:45.44 | dmi3on | yes, but i can run just for testing nothing else |
| 01:45.51 | kyrix | k |
| 01:46.06 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey how come the apps I installed in Debian aren't showing up in the Applications menu? |
| 01:46.14 | Seth_Hikaru | A few did but not all of them. |
| 01:46.24 | Stroganoff | dmi3on if wine doesn't work for you, you can install a windoze in http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 01:46.41 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey lets net make fun of Windows. |
| 01:46.51 | Stroganoff | later |
| 01:46.52 | Seth_Hikaru | not* |
| 01:47.20 | dmi3on | ok, thx if it took me like 4 day to set up vnc4server it will take me like 10 day to understand how to run wine :( |
| 01:47.39 | Stroganoff | Seth_Hikaru: because some apps don't comply to the freedesktop.org standards |
| 01:48.22 | Stroganoff | dmi3on: no it's really easy. just install it (using apt-get), then run your .exe file like this: wine /path/to/program/programm.exe |
| 01:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, Windows is a serious matter and not to be made fun of! http://xkcd.com/528/ |
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| 01:48.51 | Stroganoff | i think you can even double click on .exe files when WINE is installed. |
| 01:48.55 | dmi3on | one more question, i have no idea what really Linux script is, from were do i start learning ? |
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| 01:49.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmi3on, "apt-get install wine" and ... "wine ./Setup.exe"? |
| 01:49.19 | dmi3on | Stroganoff, ok can i use msi files ? |
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| 01:49.30 | Seth_Hikaru | Stroganoff what? |
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| 01:49.45 | Stroganoff | about your application menu entires |
| 01:49.54 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm using GNOME. |
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| 01:50.12 | Stroganoff | dmi3on you can install .msi files using: wine msiexec bla.msi |
| 01:50.26 | dmi3on | ok |
| 01:50.56 | dmi3on | Stroganoff, thank you very much :) |
| 01:51.01 | Stroganoff | dmi3on: some introduction the the terminal and more links are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands |
| 01:51.04 | Seth_Hikaru | So how come ettercap isn't in bash then? |
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| 01:51.41 | dmi3on | Stroganoff, ok :) |
| 01:52.09 | Stroganoff | Seth_Hikaru: ettercap in bash? |
| 01:52.28 | Xenguy | bbelt16ag: yw |
| 01:52.36 | Seth_Hikaru | Well I installed it and that's how you access it in BackTrack is through terminal. |
| 01:52.52 | Stroganoff | ok |
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| 01:53.28 | beardy | Failing to mention the vty's makes that page a pile of shit. |
| 01:54.08 | Stroganoff | beardy: i know it's not the best shot. please supply a better alternative, comprehensive for newbies. |
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| 01:55.14 | craigevil | http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ is better than that ubuntu page |
| 01:55.32 | Seth_Hikaru | What folder are all the apps stored in anyway? |
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| 01:56.37 | Stroganoff | Seth_Hikaru: the executables are mostly in /usr/bin, admin programs are in /usr/sbin |
| 01:56.39 | Stroganoff | http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/ettercap/filelist |
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| 01:59.01 | Seth_Hikaru | wtf I don't see ettercap |
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| 01:59.33 | blxd | is apt-file package broken in lenny? |
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| 02:00.31 | Seth_Hikaru | Wow I can't believe I forgot to install ettercap. |
| 02:00.50 | Stroganoff | n1 |
| 02:00.57 | kgoetz | blxd, not for me, why? |
| 02:01.02 | sajes | I'm using Lenny, and once in a while, my machine completely locks up for no apparent reason. It leaves nothing in the logs, and the sysrq commands don't work. Out of curiousity, I left top open, which showed significantly less than 100% CPU/mem usage. Any ideas? |
| 02:01.39 | sajes | That is, I left top open until the machine locked up, at which point it displayed less than 100% usage. |
| 02:01.41 | Stroganoff | sajes: could be broken ram or a broken graphics card IMHO. does the numlock key work? |
| 02:01.48 | blxd | kgoetz: doesn't seem to update when I run apt-file update |
| 02:02.14 | kgoetz | blxd, getting an error? |
| 02:02.29 | sajes | Stroganoff: I didn't check the numlock, but I ran my memory through memtest86 and it came out fine. I switched from my dedicated video card to my integrated intel chip for a few hours and it still locked up. |
| 02:02.34 | blxd | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 02:02.50 | blxd | seems like the link changed or doesn't exist for lenny? |
| 02:03.03 | Seth_Hikaru | hey does etherape support certain adapters? |
| 02:04.18 | sajes | Since my DVD burner and reader were acting up, I disabled them in the BIOS just to see if that would help, but it didn't. |
| 02:04.35 | kgoetz | blxd, i get the same error, for i386 . hum. i wonder if the contents files are currently being re generated |
| 02:04.43 | Stroganoff | sajes: replace the mainboard then. can't help you any further, sry |
| 02:04.45 | blxd | its been like that for days |
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| 02:05.12 | kgoetz | sajes, how long did you leave memtest running? |
| 02:05.33 | kgoetz | blxd, dont know then. perhaps email debian-security to find out whats happening |
| 02:05.35 | sajes | kgoetz: Overnight, so around 10-12 hours. |
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| 02:05.48 | Humanoid | When I apt-get install, how do I prevent a server from starting as soon as I install it? I need to setup the configuration before I would start the server. |
| 02:05.49 | kgoetz | sajes, that should be plenty :\ |
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| 02:06.25 | sajes | That's what I figured too. My only other thought is a kernel panic, but wouldn't that leave something in a log? |
| 02:06.29 | corpy | hi all |
| 02:06.54 | blxd | kgoetz: thanks for the confirmation |
| 02:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Humanoid, servers that *need* configuration to run properly aren't started immediately - else... stop it after installing it? |
| 02:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | sajes, no |
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| 02:07.36 | kgoetz | blxd, no worries. i dont recall seeing that error, but its been a while since i updated apt-file |
| 02:07.41 | Seth_Hikaru | What does it mean when ettercap says please select an User Interface? |
| 02:07.48 | Humanoid | So there's no way to prevent it from starting in the first place? I have to let it start, and then stop it manually? |
| 02:07.53 | sajes | CutMeOwnThroat: So how would I go about detecting a panic? |
| 02:08.00 | kgoetz | sajes, only if it has time to write out to disk |
| 02:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess it'd show on the console |
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| 02:10.00 | kgoetz | on a getty yes, but you'll have to be watching it |
| 02:10.51 | sajes | Sitting at my computer watching a blank console for 8 hours might be complicated. |
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| 02:11.19 | sajes | It wouldn't show up in a screen session, would it? |
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| 02:13.45 | kgoetz | not sure. |
| 02:13.55 | kgoetz | not sure if it would show on an ssh session either. |
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| 02:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Humanoid, perhaps... "man dpkg" might tell you (or me) but guess you can read as well as I can :) |
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| 02:15.14 | kgoetz | Humanoid, not aware of a way to stop them starting automatically. what is the service in question? |
| 02:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see the big deal about stopping it after installing if that is needed |
| 02:16.41 | Humanoid | kgoetz: All of them. I don't have my servers running all the time on my home computer. I only start them when I need them, and stop them when I don't need them. When I do a large upgrade of all the packages, I end up with all sorts of servers running that I don't want, even ones that I didn't install, but were installed automatically due to a dependency. |
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| 02:18.48 | kgoetz | you should make a destinction between 'server' and 'service' (just fwiw). perhaps use iptables to drop anything you dont want public, or look at /etc/defaults/ |
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| 02:20.34 | Humanoid | Hmm.. it seems they are started by arbitrary lines in the postinst scripts. And they don't seem to have anything in common to get them disabled. Though I notice they have a comment that say "# Automatically added by dh_installinit" |
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| 02:23.07 | corpy | hi guys |
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| 02:23.55 | corpy | someone knows if there is a way to configure the "make" parallelization in debian? |
| 02:24.45 | Humanoid | dh_installinit was executed during package creation time, not installation time. So nothing for me there. |
| 02:24.45 | corpy | something like MAKEOPTS="-j2" inside gentoo... |
| 02:24.45 | Humanoid | I guess the only thing left is to disable the running of postinst. |
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| 02:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | corpy, run "make -j2" instead of make? |
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| 02:26.26 | corpy | CutMeOwnThroat, wow, so easy? tnx :D |
| 02:26.37 | beardy | Stroganoff: Sadly it probably needs writing. |
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| 02:35.24 | Joric | hello |
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| 02:36.07 | Joric | after installing lenny i have the following |
| 02:36.09 | Joric | bind9rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
| 02:36.19 | Joric | how to fix this? |
| 02:36.33 | Joric | can't google it out |
| 02:36.39 | Joric | nothing helps |
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| 02:37.57 | Seth_Hikaru | is iraducabilis here? |
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| 02:43.53 | Seth_Hikaru | http://xkcd.com/260/ |
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| 02:48.35 | nick_h[litage] | when building a debian package from source, which file(s) must be modified to change the version number? |
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| 02:49.20 | kgoetz | nick_h[litage], ask #debian-mentors on oftc. |
| 02:50.54 | nick_h[litage] | thanks |
| 02:50.56 | Joric | motherfucking bind9! |
| 02:51.06 | nick_h[litage] | Joric: djbdns to the rescue? |
| 02:51.09 | nick_h[litage] | :) |
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| 02:51.34 | Joric | i've did apt-get remove bind9 --purge && apt-get install bind9 |
| 02:51.35 | Joric | and it worked |
| 02:51.41 | Joric | goddamn lenny |
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| 02:52.24 | nick_h[litage] | Joric: not to nitpick, but it's "better" to use aptitude rather than apt-get |
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| 02:53.29 | Joric | ok |
| 02:54.12 | proem | nick_h Why would aptitude be considered better? |
| 02:55.31 | Lachlan | if debian is in deep freeze does that mean it would be safe to install? |
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| 02:56.57 | nick_h[litage] | proem: it handles dependencies better than apt-get, especially when removing packages that would leave behind unwanted deps |
| 02:57.00 | m0 | Hello, any reason why debian repository doesn't have ant 1.7? Apache Ant version 1.6.5 compiled on July 1 2006, the new one is 2008? |
| 02:57.33 | nick_h[litage] | Lachlan: Debian's safe to install. it's just a question of where you're installing it =) |
| 02:58.13 | Lachlan | im to be installing it on my desktop |
| 02:58.34 | Lachlan | im just hoping that Lenny has the option to install KDE4 |
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| 02:59.19 | nick_h[litage] | Lachlan: i'm pretty sure that KDE4 is available in Lenny. you can always search http://packages.debian.org |
| 02:59.28 | abrotman | m0: checked the BTS ? |
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| 03:00.31 | m0 | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/ant |
| 03:00.39 | m0 | So within 2 years it is still unstable? |
| 03:00.40 | m0 | :s |
| 03:00.50 | craigevil | what does ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms. mean? shell-fm is giving that message but is still playing just fine |
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| 03:01.40 | nick_h[litage] | m0: Etch has ant v1.6.5-6: http://packages.debian.org/etch/ant |
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| 03:01.49 | nick_h[litage] | m0: Lenny has ant v1.7.0-6: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ant |
| 03:02.04 | nick_h[litage] | m0: (Etch is stable, Lenny is testing, Sid is unstable) |
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| 03:03.41 | Lachlan | nick_h[litage] what i mean is would KDE4 be installable as the defualt desktop from the dvd when im installing the rest of Debian |
| 03:03.57 | m0 | could I install that package manually and not messup my repository? |
| 03:04.06 | m0 | That ant 1.7 package |
| 03:04.13 | craigevil | Lachlan: no the only way to get kde4 is using backports for lenny or experimental if your using sid |
| 03:04.17 | m0 | Without adding it to my sources.list |
| 03:04.45 | nick_h[litage] | m0: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 03:04.59 | abrotman | judd: versions ant |
| 03:05.00 | judd | abrotman: ant -- etch: 1.6.5-6 lenny: 1.7.0-6 sid: 1.7.0-6 |
| 03:05.18 | m0 | nick_h[litage]: Debian 4 |
| 03:05.21 | Lachlan | so currently KDE3.5 installs during the system install? |
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| 03:06.04 | abrotman | m0: you can try to backport it yourself |
| 03:06.54 | abrotman | !tell m0 about ssb |
| 03:07.27 | Lachlan | this is quite noob but where would i download the current lenny dvd? |
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| 03:08.23 | abrotman | Lachlan: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 03:09.59 | Lachlan | abrotman what is the difference between RC2 and the weekly snapshot? |
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| 03:10.46 | abrotman | Lachlan: currently a few days .. but if you have broadband .. you should really use the netinst |
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| 03:11.48 | Lachlan | how does the netinst work? i would be a little catious in using it as my PC is on a wireless network |
| 03:12.36 | abrotman | which wireless card do yo uhave ? |
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| 03:13.14 | Lachlan | a netgear usb |
| 03:13.29 | bnk | how come ':Ex' doesn't work in vim on debian? |
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| 03:14.56 | nick_h[litage] | bnk: :Ex works for me in Etch with vim 7 |
| 03:15.20 | kgoetz | bnk, your using vim.tiny perhaps? |
| 03:16.49 | Lachlan | abrotman i think using DVDs or CDs will be easier. so which dvds or cds will i need if i want a basic desktop installation with KDE |
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| 03:17.07 | abrotman | Lachlan: i doubt the driver for your device is on the netinst or the DVD/CD |
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| 03:18.06 | Lachlan | abrotman thats a shame i dint really want to go to ubuntu |
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| 03:18.23 | abrotman | Lachlan: without knowing more about the actual device, i can't definitively tell you |
| 03:18.46 | abrotman | Lachlan: and most of the devices just need firmware, which is pretty easy to get |
| 03:19.14 | Lachlan | NETGEAR WG111v2 54Mbps Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter |
| 03:19.21 | kgoetz | I thought lenny will support scaning a USB stick for firmware? |
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| 03:19.26 | abrotman | !WG111v2 |
| 03:19.26 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. RTL8187SE not supported, ask about <rtl8187se>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 03:19.28 | kgoetz | s/lenny/lenny DI/ |
| 03:19.34 | Lachlan | is what windows calls it |
| 03:19.34 | abrotman | kgoetz: he still needs the firmware |
| 03:19.46 | kgoetz | abrotman, yeah. |
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| 03:19.54 | kgoetz | didnt mean to oppose that. |
| 03:20.02 | abrotman | Lachlan: seems maybe you don't need firmware .. it might work on its own |
| 03:20.19 | Lachlan | ohh nice |
| 03:20.38 | abrotman | all you can do is try |
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| 03:21.00 | abrotman | but, the netinst would have the same issue as the DVD .. so might as well save yourself some time and just try the netinst |
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| 03:21.28 | Lachlan | i also have a D-Link AirPlus G DWL-G510 Wireless PCI Adapter(rev.C) but i question wether it actually works |
| 03:21.51 | nick_h[litage] | Lachlan: there's no way that you can hook up a wired ethernet connection just to install Debian? |
| 03:22.24 | abrotman | !rt61 |
| 03:22.24 | dpkg | The Ralink RT61 PCI chipsets (RT2501/RT2561, RT2600/RT2661) are supported by the enhanced legacy driver (rt61) and next-generation driver (rt61pci), both available from the <rt2x00> project. Firmware is required to be loaded before driver operation. See http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci for driver and firmware installation instructions. See also <ralink firmware>, <rt2x00>. |
| 03:22.35 | abrotman | see, that one needs firmware |
| 03:23.02 | Lachlan | i could but i just got the computer set up so i would rather not |
| 03:23.17 | Lachlan | ahh so my best bet is the USB |
| 03:23.34 | Lachlan | can you explain how the net install works? |
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| 03:24.13 | abrotman | you put it in the CD drive .. you answer the questions .. when you're done, you then install whatever WM+xorg you want |
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| 03:24.33 | abrotman | such as .. aptitude install gnome xorg gdm |
| 03:24.39 | abrotman | or aptitude install fluxbox xorg ... |
| 03:26.08 | nick_h[litage] | Lachlan: the netinst (network install) method only downloads the packages that you ask for. this saves a lot of bandwidth |
| 03:26.11 | abrotman | if your network does indeed work, it will setup an http mirror, and it will get what it needs via that |
| 03:26.28 | abrotman | Lachlan: you may find it easier to temporarily disable wep/wpa/etc |
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| 03:26.37 | Lachlan | ok and is it all CLI or graphical or like the install process that slackware uses (ncurses i think) |
| 03:26.53 | abrotman | the GUI is the same as the CLI .. really doesn't matter |
| 03:27.25 | Lachlan | cecause i wouldnt have a clue what packages i would need for the initial install? |
| 03:27.48 | abrotman | that's why i'm saying .. when you're done, you aptitude install xorg <WM> <DM> |
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| 03:28.44 | kgoetz | i thought there was a DE selection window during netinstall |
| 03:28.46 | nick_h[litage] | Lachlan: the netinst gives you a couple of common setups to choose from. for example, you can choose to install packages that are commonly found on a "desktop workstation", and/or a web server, etc |
| 03:29.01 | simy | I'm trying to install debian to a HD via usb to hd device, for a laptop with no cdrom, no floppy etc... I cant figure out how to make an initrd image which i apparently need becuase the drivers a modules ;) I'm running Gentoo however because I just switched, how ccan i fix this? |
| 03:29.04 | simy | or make it? |
| 03:29.25 | simy | mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd seems to try to use my gentoo kernel, even though im chrooted in! |
| 03:29.33 | abrotman | simy: /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 03:30.10 | Lachlan | ahh so i will have a choice to install a package set. because if given just a cli to play with im not to great |
| 03:30.17 | simy | abrotman, i think you missed what im asking... |
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| 03:30.30 | abrotman | not really .. but okay |
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| 03:31.08 | simy | it will explain it? i was following a tutorial but it seemed not to work right, ill look at em then... but its for an internal drive... ;P |
| 03:31.16 | simy | i just dont have a desktop :P |
| 03:31.34 | nick_h[litage] | Lachlan: yeah, you'll be asked if you want to install any common collections of packages |
| 03:31.47 | Lachlan | kool |
| 03:32.15 | abrotman | simy: just a bunch of usb hubs? |
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| 03:33.02 | freeRag | help my computer is trying to connect to china |
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| 03:33.24 | Lachlan | my final question before i commit is do you know how well debian/grub works in duel booting with vista? and if i have a Q6600 cpu should i go 64 bit or 32? |
| 03:33.32 | abrotman | freeRag: you're going to get banned again |
| 03:33.42 | simy | all I have is a laptop with a usb to multi hd dudad... I'm trying to install linux to a computer which dosnt have anything no cdrom no floppy, ive done the debootstrap thing before but i was running debian at that time |
| 03:33.48 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
| 03:33.57 | abrotman | Lachlan: should be just fine .. |
| 03:33.59 | freeRag | how do i know what is making svhost trying to connect to china using port 80 ? |
| 03:34.04 | bbelt16ag | how the heck do I get the sound recorder to record music playing on my pc |
| 03:34.16 | simy | abrotman, i could write my own kernel for it, but i dont feel like wiating, so ild rather juts make the image, but im not too familar with making an initrd image dudad which is what ai apparently need as it wont mount the root fs (ext3) |
| 03:34.18 | abrotman | Lachlan: i386 or amd64 is up to you .. also depends how mcuh non-free software you want to use |
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| 03:34.35 | abrotman | simy: the bot has a link that tells you all the steps to do this |
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| 03:35.52 | roue | I'm running debian (lenny) with a custom compiled 2.6.28.3 kernel. Lately I've noticed that if I'm copying a large file (3gig qemu disk image ferinstance) many other tasks seem to hang. It's like the cp is taking up all disk io and nothing else gets a shot until it's done. Is this a kernel param I can tweak to have it prioritize more evenly? thanks. |
| 03:35.59 | Lachlan | well i need MP3s, flash, dvds, 3d drivers and but as for other non free probs not much maybe skype. and i might use wine for office 07 |
| 03:36.14 | abrotman | Lachlan: i don't think skype has an amd64 version |
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| 03:36.26 | Seth_Hikaru | hexasexual |
| 03:36.45 | Seth_Hikaru | Anyone wanna take a guess what that means? |
| 03:36.53 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: do you have a Debian related question ? |
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| 03:37.04 | abrotman | roue: tried with a debian kernel ? |
| 03:37.04 | simy | abrotman, so the short version is... i cant make an initrd image easly? i have to basically start over? |
| 03:37.10 | Seth_Hikaru | Yes. |
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| 03:37.17 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: which is? |
| 03:37.24 | roue | abrotman not lately, but my kernel is compiled with the debian package's .config file. |
| 03:37.28 | Seth_Hikaru | My monitor keeps blinking. |
| 03:37.28 | Lachlan | ok. is there any other major non-free software i may not be abler to use with 64 bit |
| 03:37.33 | Seth_Hikaru | randomly of course |
| 03:37.35 | abrotman | roue: try the debian one ... |
| 03:37.42 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: in which OS? |
| 03:37.47 | simy | is just confused |
| 03:37.54 | Seth_Hikaru | Windows 3.1 |
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| 03:38.12 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
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| 03:40.57 | abrotman | simy: what if you chroot ? |
| 03:41.13 | simy | i did, lol thats where im confused |
| 03:41.30 | simy | i did: chroot /mnt/usb /bin/bash |
| 03:41.41 | abrotman | i guess the chroot doesn't change the running kenrel ... |
| 03:41.52 | simy | then did mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd and got: Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.24-gentoo-r7 |
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| 03:42.20 | simy | nope |
| 03:42.59 | simy | thats why i dono how to do this, lol |
| 03:43.11 | simy | i cant boot it to get it running the correct kernel to make the initrd, lol |
| 03:43.33 | bnk | kgoetz: thanks man |
| 03:43.59 | simy | there has got to be somewhere i can just download it... |
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| 03:44.26 | kgoetz | no worries |
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| 03:48.47 | niku | wow, it is so much more soothingly quiet in here than #ubuntu |
| 03:49.14 | simy | does the ubuntu cd have an initrd? |
| 03:49.53 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
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| 03:50.09 | abrotman | thought he missed a step ... |
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| 03:50.24 | niku | one would assume thinking that it's a live/install cd |
| 03:50.31 | abrotman | thought he missed a step ... |
| 03:50.34 | simy | yup, kinda what im thinking ;P |
| 03:50.35 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 03:50.43 | abrotman | simy: go ask them, this is not the correct channel |
| 03:51.03 | simy | i just wana download it, im dling the CD, what the hey... |
| 03:51.18 | abrotman | did you /msg dpkg usb install and read the howto ? |
| 03:51.22 | simy | yes i know... im dling a cd for a file thats less then 10 megs |
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| 03:52.18 | simy | abrotman, i just need one file, ild have to start over, they dont make it, they copy it |
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| 03:53.07 | simy | for example it says "copy the following files from the Debian archives to the stic" |
| 03:53.11 | simy | where is that? |
| 03:54.14 | Lachlan | abrotman when i use the netinstall wirelessly does it matter if i have WPA protection on my network? |
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| 03:55.16 | abrotman | Lachlan: i said earlier, it's probably easier to disable it for the install .. you can make it work, but it's probably a fair bit easier not to |
| 03:55.18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Evening, all. Got a network config question about my laptop with a fresh Debian install. |
| 03:55.43 | abrotman | just ask |
| 03:55.55 | LambdaCalculus37 | To start, I have a Dell Inspiron 8500 with built-in Ehternet and a Broadcom-based mini-PCI card... BCM43xx-based. |
| 03:56.05 | abrotman | lenny or etch ? |
| 03:56.10 | LambdaCalculus37 | lenny-testing. |
| 03:56.12 | Lachlan | ok i remember that its just i dont know how to disable the WPA |
| 03:56.24 | abrotman | on the AP ? |
| 03:56.30 | abrotman | it's usually just a clicky security setting |
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| 03:57.02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Anyway, when I performed the install, I had no access to a network, so my repo is off the install DVD I used, and because of that, I'm uncertain if I can get wireless or wired access working. |
| 03:57.09 | swolchok1 | hey I'm putting together a demo MITM script...anyone know why ettercap on my local wlan0 sees all outgoing packets from me fine, but sees no incoming packets? (e.g. I see HTTP POST request but no response) |
| 03:57.17 | abrotman | !tell LambdaCalculus37 about b43 |
| 03:57.20 | abrotman | !tell LambdaCalculus37 about b43-fwcutter |
| 03:57.37 | abrotman | LambdaCalculus37: and i'd need to know what the onboard NIC is to help more |
| 03:57.37 | swolchok1 | ideally if someone had a tut on simulating bridged sniffing on my localhost without actually involving other local machines that would be ideal |
| 03:57.59 | LambdaCalculus37 | abortman: Let me look it up again. |
| 03:58.31 | abrotman | lspci might help |
| 03:58.42 | Lachlan | abrotman will i connect to my network before or after partitioning? |
| 03:58.54 | abrotman | Lachlan: before IIRC |
| 03:59.02 | Lachlan | ok kool |
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| 04:09.57 | roue | would someone running lenny paste the output from "cat /sys/block/<disk>/queue/scheduler" please? thanks. |
| 04:10.11 | roue | where <disk> is /dev/hda or /dev/sda |
| 04:10.22 | roue | er, hda or sda that is |
| 04:10.35 | roue | i want to know what the default io scheduler is. |
| 04:11.42 | Tapout | cfq |
| 04:12.02 | nick_h[litage] | roue: i would, but i'm running Etch. sorry, mate |
| 04:12.15 | roue | thanks. |
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| 04:13.16 | roue | Tapout if you copy a large file (say 3gig) -- something that takes a while -- does your desktop slow down tremendously till it's done? |
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| 04:15.43 | keseldude | I want to create a deb on etch, but there's no checkinstall package in the repos. What do you recommend? |
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| 04:15.52 | keseldude | build checkinstall from source? |
| 04:17.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is |
| 04:17.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions checkinstall |
| 04:17.45 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: checkinstall -- lenny: 1.6.1-8 sid: 1.6.1-8 |
| 04:17.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 04:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can that be... |
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| 04:18.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell keseldude -about bpo |
| 04:18.38 | Tapout | roue, deadline seems to be better on larger files for me |
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| 04:18.56 | Tapout | i dunno tho, try deadline/cfq/noop (if you got raid hw controller) |
| 04:19.01 | roue | Tapout I think anticipatory may be my best bet |
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| 04:19.04 | keseldude | thank you |
| 04:19.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libc6 |
| 04:19.09 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.7-18 experimental: 2.9-0exp2 |
| 04:19.26 | roue | just wanted to make sure it wasn't something else. |
| 04:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that baffles me... I'm sure I had checkinstall on etch and I didn't know about backports back then, so I'd have mixed in the lenny package, but that depends on libc6>2.7-1 which isn't in etch... |
| 04:20.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I misremember something there |
| 04:21.58 | keseldude | CutMeOwnThroat: it looks like checkinstall isn't in the backports either |
| 04:22.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 04:25.50 | pobega | checkinstall was removed due to instability |
| 04:25.57 | pobega | The packages weren't always ... erm, reliable |
| 04:26.09 | keseldude | so what's the alternative? |
| 04:26.18 | pobega | The real way, dh_make |
| 04:26.45 | jeef_ | is aptitude safe to use for etch->lenny as described by dpkg? |
| 04:26.55 | keseldude | ah, thanks pobega |
| 04:27.10 | keseldude | I run that before make install or before make? |
| 04:27.22 | pobega | keseldude: read the Debian new maintainers guide |
| 04:27.29 | pobega | It's a bit of work, but once you get a working skeleton it should be fine. |
| 04:27.40 | pobega | If you don't plan on releasing the deb you don't have to go crazy over the depends |
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| 04:30.03 | ferret_0567 | when would I want to use the -n option to dh_make? |
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| 04:35.47 | Tapout | roue, anticipatory sucked for me |
| 04:36.06 | roue | Tapout what was the problem? |
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| 04:38.00 | Tapout | roue, slower.. |
| 04:38.15 | Tapout | deadline - noop - cfq and then ant |
| 04:38.17 | roue | Tapout I'll give deadline a try |
| 04:38.21 | Tapout | roue, do this... |
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| 04:38.29 | Tapout | oracle tuning scheduler and read |
| 04:38.34 | Tapout | those oracle guys know the best settings ;) |
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| 04:41.46 | Thasp | when I upgraded from vsftpd 2.0.5 to 2.0.7 with apt, passive mode was broken |
| 04:42.04 | Thasp | no passive connection works, yet when i revert back to 2.0.5, it works fine, and i didn't read of any conf file changes |
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| 04:42.18 | Thasp | has anyone else experienced this? |
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| 04:42.26 | Leadline | hey, which program can I use to open .rar archives? |
| 04:42.36 | Thasp | apt-get install unrar |
| 04:42.39 | blxd | unrar |
| 04:42.46 | blxd | enable non-free also |
| 04:42.48 | Thasp | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:42.54 | Thasp | add that to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:42.59 | blxd | or install unrar-free |
| 04:43.08 | Thasp | change unstable to stable if you want 20 yr old software |
| 04:43.09 | blxd | which i don't recommend :P |
| 04:43.23 | Leadline | thanks thasp |
| 04:43.28 | Thasp | this new vsftpd confuses me |
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| 04:43.36 | Thasp | why does passive break without reason :( |
| 04:43.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thasp, already checked the bts? |
| 04:43.39 | Leadline | I was wondering why it said "no installation canidate" |
| 04:43.49 | Thasp | CutMeOwnThroat: that is an acronym i am not familiar with :[ |
| 04:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 04:43.53 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 04:43.58 | Tapout | Thasp, funny you mention that.. i'm getting a lot of failures with passive |
| 04:44.07 | Thasp | Tapout no sh!t |
| 04:44.24 | Thasp | i swear i have passive working _fine_ with proftpd, and vsftpd 2.0.5 |
| 04:44.30 | Thasp | but it doesn't work at all on 2.0.7 |
| 04:44.42 | Tapout | mine fails 10 times and works once |
| 04:44.46 | Tapout | go figure |
| 04:44.53 | Thasp | 2.0.5 doesn't work with filezilla |
| 04:45.15 | Thasp | proftpd is too damn slow. especially with a bunch of small files, it doesn't just finish a file then go onto the next one, there's a lag, and a rise before it hits full speed. i need my vsftpd back |
| 04:45.21 | Thasp | vs spoiled me rotten. |
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| 04:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dbugs 502215 |
| 04:46.38 | dpkg | DONE:#502215:I[vsftpd] vsftpd: Race condition causing PASV connection drops under extreme load - fixed upstream in 2.0.7 (); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:30:02 UTC [] |
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| 04:49.10 | Thasp | if by extreme load it means 5% CPU usage on a modern system |
| 04:49.16 | Thasp | than that bug report is perfectly correct. |
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| 04:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 04:51.29 | Thasp | i'm just saying |
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| 05:05.33 | blxd | can anyone help me improve the gnome experience please :( |
| 05:05.46 | lindenle | Does OOLatex work for anyone here? Mine seems to be broken all of a sudden. |
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| 05:06.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | the gnome experience... sounds like Disney World |
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| 05:07.52 | blxd | default debian X11 fonts aren't so nice, any idea how to install better ones |
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| 05:15.30 | Wobble | Hi, is this the right channel for debian server edition? |
| 05:16.00 | liable | debian doesnt have a server edition, are you talking about ubuntu? |
| 05:16.54 | Wobble | No, I have debian installed on a VPS account that I am running psyBNC from and wish to run eggdrop from |
| 05:17.21 | liable | ok, then you are in the right channel :) |
| 05:17.40 | Wobble | Excellent :) |
| 05:18.37 | ferret_0567 | if I have contributors to a program, in the debian/copyright file, can I add a Contributors section? |
| 05:19.03 | nick_h[litage] | are the hosts that you configure in ~/.ssh/config also available to scp? |
| 05:19.14 | Wobble | I am having a little trouble installing tcl as it's not going in the right directories for eggdrop to be able to find it, I followed the instructions on the tcl install page to the letter, and tcl was installing in usr/local/lib but not usr/share/lib where I believe eggdrop looks, does anybody have any suggestions as to what I could do next? |
| 05:19.34 | Wobble | I have cleaned out the install for now, as egg wasn't finding it at all |
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| 05:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | packages! |
| 05:19.54 | lindenle | Wobble: does the configure script have an option to specify the eggdrop location? (./configure --help) |
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| 05:20.20 | Wobble | The configure script in eggdrop or in tcl? |
| 05:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wobble, you're root there, aren't you? |
| 05:20.23 | lindenle | Wobble: apt-cache search eggdrop |
| 05:20.34 | lindenle | Wobble: eggdrop |
| 05:21.02 | Wobble | I'll just check |
| 05:22.29 | Wobble | I have --build --host or --target |
| 05:22.53 | Wobble | Yes I'm root CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:23.09 | Wobble | I also have a usr created on the server too |
| 05:23.18 | ferret_0567 | Wobble: then install eggdrop from a package |
| 05:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wobble, then there's no need to install eggdropp or even tcl - there are packages for tcl and even eggdrop in Debian |
| 05:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wobble, apt-get install eggdrop should do it |
| 05:23.39 | Wobble | I appear to have no apt-get access |
| 05:23.55 | ferret_0567 | hahah |
| 05:23.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it's not Debian or you're not root |
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| 05:24.29 | Wobble | Oh hold on, it's working now, it wasn't yesterday when I tried |
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| 05:25.15 | ferret_0567 | if I have contributors to a program, in the debian/copyright file, can I add a Contributors section? |
| 05:25.37 | ferret_0567 | where do I ask for help with this file? |
| 05:25.50 | ferret_0567 | nobody is answering me here :( |
| 05:26.01 | lindenle | !patience |
| 05:26.01 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 05:26.12 | Wobble | I got the following error... |
| 05:26.14 | Wobble | ldconfig: Cannot mmap file /usr/lib/libtcl8.4.so. |
| 05:26.15 | ferret_0567 | alright then...I'll wait |
| 05:26.32 | Wobble | That was from running apt-get install eggdrop |
| 05:26.54 | ferret_0567 | Wobble: get your convulted self-compiled tcl off of the system then |
| 05:27.05 | lindenle | !convoluted |
| 05:27.12 | Wobble | running apt-get install tcl gives the error ldconfig: Cannot mmap file /usr/lib/libtcl8.4.so. |
| 05:27.22 | Wobble | Oh damn that didn't copy |
| 05:27.39 | lindenle | Wobble: It worked fine here |
| 05:27.46 | Wobble | ferret_0567 I ran make clean from the tcl install (source) directory |
| 05:27.55 | Wobble | would that be enough to clean it? |
| 05:28.08 | ferret_0567 | Wobble: do make uninstall if you have nothing depending on tcl on your system |
| 05:28.23 | ferret_0567 | Wobble: if that works, run ldconfig |
| 05:28.37 | Wobble | k give me a second |
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| 05:31.04 | Wobble | Another error came up "make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop." |
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| 05:31.17 | ferret_0567 | f*** |
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| 05:31.27 | ferret_0567 | well, your screwed then |
| 05:31.30 | grendal_prime | is there some console based crontab editor that is reasonable easy to use? |
| 05:31.33 | ferret_0567 | make a new VPS and start over |
| 05:31.41 | ferret_0567 | backup all your important files |
| 05:31.53 | grendal_prime | wow...people are getting scewed in debian!!! |
| 05:31.53 | Wobble | That's really the only option? |
| 05:32.07 | lindenle | grendal_prime: emacs? |
| 05:32.17 | lindenle | set your EDITOR to "emacs -nw" |
| 05:32.28 | ferret_0567 | Wobble: unless you manually delete _all_ of TCL's files |
| 05:32.34 | lindenle | or anything else you like |
| 05:32.36 | lindenle | to use |
| 05:32.39 | lindenle | on the console |
| 05:33.06 | grendal_prime | really? see i could use nano to just edit cronttab..but im looking for something that ...well hmmmm |
| 05:33.24 | Wobble | I could do that, I don't have hyperVM access to rebuild the VPS, I'd have to wait for support to do that for me in a few hours |
| 05:33.48 | Wobble | So I run locate tcl and delete everything I am guessing? |
| 05:34.03 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.26 | ferret_0567 | Wobble: no, more thorough than that |
| 05:34.49 | ferret_0567 | Wobble: find all the files of tcl manually |
| 05:34.53 | lindenle | grendal_prime: crontab -e invokes the EDITOR |
| 05:35.09 | grendal_prime | ya wich in this case is nano. |
| 05:35.44 | grendal_prime | i know how to use nano...i was looking for something that ...well sort of solved alot of the syntax for me..some sort of like helper app. |
| 05:35.53 | Wobble | k, I shall hunt through |
| 05:36.00 | lindenle | grendal_prime: personally i use the same editor for everything --> emacs |
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| 05:36.25 | lindenle | grendal_prime: and he has crontab-mode.el |
| 05:37.07 | grendal_prime | we got people here that really dont know what the hell to do if it does not have a selector dropdown thinggy on it...im sure i could get them to use a console app..of some sort..but..well i dont see anything that i think they will like (aside from webmin) |
| 05:37.37 | grendal_prime | its sad really...but well such is life. |
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| 05:39.33 | lindenle | grendal_prime: Write a php interface to do it? |
| 05:39.58 | lindenle | grendal_prime: would only take 5 minutes to write. |
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| 05:40.27 | lindenle | or checkout Py@cron |
| 05:41.14 | lindenle | or vcron or gcrontab --> http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/cronweb.htm |
| 05:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ferret_0567, if nobody know here, perhaps ask #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org ... |
| 05:42.14 | grendal_prime | i liek the phpinterface idea |
| 05:42.38 | lindenle | That is what I would do....im lazy and speak php |
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| 05:44.22 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 05:44.43 | roue | hi |
| 05:45.14 | CryptoMole | I have issies with this flash player in testing it freezes |
| 05:45.28 | roue | under what circumstances? |
| 05:45.51 | CryptoMole | any youtube video i veiw |
| 05:45.51 | roue | and is it adobe flash or gnash? |
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| 05:46.07 | CryptoMole | swf i think |
| 05:46.19 | CryptoMole | its not adabe |
| 05:46.32 | roue | are you running 32 or 64 bit? |
| 05:46.37 | CryptoMole | 32 |
| 05:46.48 | roue | I'd try the adobe plugin |
| 05:47.04 | CryptoMole | from adabe website? |
| 05:47.08 | roue | right |
| 05:47.45 | CryptoMole | ok how do i get it istalled so firefox recogizes it |
| 05:47.50 | roue | http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/10/flash_player_10_is_live.html |
| 05:47.57 | roue | it's easy. |
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| 05:48.35 | roue | drop the libflashplayer.so in your plugins directory. restart |
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| 05:49.05 | roue | but only if you don't mind a binary closed source blob. |
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| 05:49.15 | roue | I'm heard some people don't like that :) |
| 05:52.29 | lindenle | wishes his wifi driver was not closed firmware soes I could fix it to work with 802.11n |
| 05:52.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | CryptoMole, there's a package for the adobe plugin as well... |
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| 05:53.52 | CryptoMole | whats this package called? |
| 05:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | CryptoMole, flashplugin-nonfree or flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
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| 05:54.10 | CryptoMole | ok |
| 05:54.14 | CryptoMole | ill look |
| 05:54.33 | lindenle | Can i redirect the install location of a deb package with dpkg? |
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| 05:54.55 | CryptoMole | thank you for helping. |
| 05:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think so, but you most probably don't want to |
| 05:55.27 | lindenle | open office wants to install in /opt, which i don't like |
| 05:55.44 | lindenle | --instdir |
| 05:55.46 | lindenle | woohoo |
| 05:55.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't mess with it |
| 05:56.25 | click170 | Does anyone know why I would get "sshd[2895]: Did not receive identification string from UNKNOWN" in my logs? The 'Did not receive identification string from' part is to be expected day to day, but from 'UNKNOWN'? |
| 05:56.34 | lindenle | CutMeOwnThroat: yer no fun :( |
| 05:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindenle, I'll slap you if you come in here screaming and weeping about that! |
| 05:57.14 | lindenle | fair enough |
| 05:57.16 | lindenle | !slap me |
| 05:57.16 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across lindenle's face |
| 05:57.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | click170, gremlins! |
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| 05:57.53 | charlie5_lab | how could i safely remove the netatalk package ? ... it won't install properly, and i cannot seem to remove it until it is fully installed. |
| 05:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | click170, it's weird - if it cant do a dns lookup, it should print the IP |
| 05:58.33 | charlie5_lab | (it is also preventing all recent package updates from installing :/) |
| 05:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, did you check the bts? |
| 05:59.32 | charlie5_lab | CutMeOwnThroat: um, no, not sure how to really :/ |
| 05:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 05:59.42 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 05:59.52 | charlie5_lab | oh thanks :) |
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| 06:00.41 | lindenle | CutMeOwnThroat: I hate it when that happens :( |
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| 06:01.54 | dragonfly | pl4yer0ne how are you tonight? |
| 06:02.13 | pl4yer0ne | erm... im ok |
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| 06:02.59 | dragonfly | well, that message was really just to get your attention and make sure you were actually here....so many people just sit in the chan but never really pay attention and aren't actually present, ya know |
| 06:03.27 | lindenle | Wow after all that OO3 throws an exception and dies after open a presentation |
| 06:03.28 | lindenle | nice |
| 06:04.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !petasmite lindenle |
| 06:04.08 | dpkg | rapes lindenle with a hairy badger |
| 06:04.24 | lindenle | What! I put it on /opt |
| 06:04.33 | lindenle | it is just a pile o crap |
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| 06:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | so we wonder what dragonfly'll do with all that attention |
| 06:05.47 | dragonfly | pl4yer0ne, I just wanted to be sure and thank you for your assistance figuring out maildrop last night. I finally got it working this afternoon. I'd read several of those man pages before but never really figured it all out...you made sure I took another look at the maildropex file. Then I just needed to figure out that I needed to chown the .mailfilter to the user rather than root and it all works perfectly now, so thanks |
| 06:06.21 | pl4yer0ne | no worries dude |
| 06:06.40 | dragonfly | lol, CutMeOwnThroat, I just wanted to make sure he was here first...wouldn't make sense to type all that if he wasn't going to see it :P |
| 06:06.52 | pl4yer0ne | knowledge isnt really knowledge unless you share it. |
| 06:07.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | botmail! |
| 06:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 06:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | not so useful though, if the guy is actually present |
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| 06:09.55 | ganes | how to get the details of devices supported by debian |
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| 06:10.21 | ganes | especially for smart card printer |
| 06:10.47 | dragonfly | ummm, ganes, this isn't a search engine, why don't you try actually asking the question like you would to someone sitting next to you and it will make it easier for us to help |
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| 06:12.04 | ganes | i think debian may have a list of device support |
| 06:12.15 | ganes | dragonfly, i think debian may have a list of device support |
| 06:12.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | smart card printer... how weird |
| 06:12.39 | ganes | dragonfly, it is easy for me to refer & buy the products accordingly |
| 06:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't think there's anything debian-specific |
| 06:14.00 | ganes | CutMeOwnThroat, dont you have the list which shows the details of manufacture |
| 06:14.07 | dragonfly | good point CutMeOwnThroat, it's more a matter if there are Linux drivers for a specific piece of hardware...if there are, it should work on any distro |
| 06:14.37 | dragonfly | ganes, what exactly do you mean by "smart card" |
| 06:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganes, for most hardware it's the kernel(-version) that supports it or not - for printers in general, it's cupsys |
| 06:15.48 | ganes | CutMeOwnThroat, even it is a kernel version .. i can download the drivers from your site |
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| 06:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he means these laptop-pcmcia cards with "smart card"... but I've never used one of those |
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| 06:17.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pcmcia |
| 06:17.17 | dpkg | PCMCIA is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers. It stands for, "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms". Ask me about <pcmcia cards>. Okay, okay, the real acronym can be found on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMCIA Communication is similar to PCI or ISA, but a PCMCIA or CardBus bridge has a credit-card-sized form factor, and many cards are hot-pluggable. |
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| 06:17.22 | charlie5_lab | i found one bug report which might be my problem (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=512604), but am not certain of the remedy ... i tried dpkg -remove with -foce all, but netatalk is still there :/ |
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| 06:17.42 | ganes | CutMeOwnThroat, see this link http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html |
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| 06:18.21 | ganes | CutMeOwnThroat, i like that is there any link for debian which shows .. these devices will be supported by debian |
| 06:19.42 | dragonfly | ganes, are you looking for printers specifically? |
| 06:19.56 | ganes | right |
| 06:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, that doesn't say "doesn't install", does it? |
| 06:20.29 | charlie5_lab | no, i guess it doesn;t apply |
| 06:20.35 | charlie5_lab | :/ |
| 06:20.39 | dragonfly | well, I think I might have found one, but the page is loading extremely slow...one moment |
| 06:20.47 | ganes | dragonfly, not only printers .. webcam multifunctional printers .. |
| 06:21.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, if there's no fix there, you'll have to fix it yourself... normally postinst failed look if the error mentiones postinst |
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| 06:22.24 | charlie5_lab | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you ... i'll re-install and check the msgs |
| 06:23.11 | dragonfly | ganes, you might want to check this out: http://www.openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Anyone |
| 06:26.18 | ganes | dragonfly, this shows only for printers .. like that i want for webcam fingerprint barcode .. ( these vendor devices supported by debian ..) |
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| 06:26.52 | ganes | dragonfly, i have one doubt whatever the device vendor will it be support by debioan |
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| 06:27.33 | dragonfly | what specific device are you looking at (make/model) because I'm not exactly sure what kind of hardware you're talking about |
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| 06:28.15 | charlie5_lab | CutMeOwnThroat: the error is 'subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1' |
| 06:28.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, found a good factoid for this |
| 06:28.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !package breakage |
| 06:28.37 | dpkg | If you're getting errors when installing a package, consult the BTS (http://bugs.debian.org/${broken-package}) first. If that doesn't reveal the answer explore the various installation scripts at /var/lib/dpkg/info/${broken-package}.{postinst,whatever}. If the remedy is still left undiscovered, consult the channel. |
| 06:28.57 | ganes | dragonfly, simply says " a tabular column shows these are devices & its vendor name supported by debian " thatsol .. is it available .. |
| 06:29.26 | pl4yer0ne | ganes, your going to be better off askign the manufacturer if they have linux support for those sort of devices |
| 06:29.28 | charlie5_lab | CutMeOwnThroat: cheers :) |
| 06:29.45 | ganes | pl4yer0ne, yeah.. |
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| 06:30.11 | pl4yer0ne | like your getting pretty6 specific with what your looking for so find a list of a few and give them a call. |
| 06:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, that's for removing, though! anyway - see above... so basically you now go to the script that the error mentions - if it's bash, you can change the 1st line from #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/bash -x - that'll make you see the commands that the script executes and perhaps you can figure what's wrong |
| 06:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, if you can't figure, you can just let the script exit... (which will mean that postrm or whatever will not do it's job, so some rogue files might be left on your system) |
| 06:32.06 | charlie5_lab | ok, thanks again for the help ! ... i'll try my luck in scriptland :) |
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| 06:32.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, well, just put an 'exit' at the beginning if you can't find the real problem |
| 06:32.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, also, you should probably file a bugreport... this is unstable? |
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| 06:34.55 | charlie5_lab | it's 'testing', i think |
| 06:36.49 | charlie5_lab | CutMeOwnThroat: the pre-removal script only stops any existing netatalk service running by the looks |
| 06:37.09 | charlie5_lab | i guess i can safely use 'exit' as you suggested |
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| 06:39.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, then it probably fails because it's not running! |
| 06:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, yeah, think I've seen that a couple of times in here with different packages... |
| 06:40.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, the question is, though - why did the install originally fail? |
| 06:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, well, won't hurt to file a bug report, although it's becoming increasingly unlikely that it'll be fixed for the next stable |
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| 06:42.25 | charlie5_lab | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, i think you are right ... i've never started (or even used) netatalk b4, so i would never have had a netatalk service running |
| 06:42.50 | Penggu | hi all. ive got netboot going off a local pxe server. how could i add the iso to the tftpd so it installes the .debs from there? |
| 06:43.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !report-bugs |
| 06:43.01 | dpkg | well, report-bugs is "See How to Report Bugs Effectively" at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html for better results. |
| 06:43.20 | Penggu | or should i use a http/ftp server as a local mirror? could i do that without downloading the whole dist? |
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| 06:44.48 | DiamondsTip | im having trouble with video playback on debian lenny. on i810 with compiz fusion enabled full screen video playback in (mplayer/vlc etc) is laggy.. but very smooth in windowed mode |
| 06:45.00 | DiamondsTip | its not a pc performance issue my previous os's did not have the problem |
| 06:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, that'll probably tell you to use reportbug... I usually use the -o option to write it to a file, though and send it afterwards, because I don't have non-local mail on this computer... also I use a disposable email address using www.spamgourmet.com, because reporting bugs publishes your email and so exposes it to spam |
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| 06:46.03 | Wobble | The search takes a long time doesn't it? lol |
| 06:47.25 | charlie5_lab | CutMeOwnThroat: ty, i'll give it a shot :) |
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| 06:47.35 | pl4yer0ne | evening all |
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| 06:53.43 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 06:54.10 | CryptoMole | i have a few things i would like to get done |
| 06:54.33 | CryptoMole | one is get the two tuxes at boot |
| 06:54.54 | CryptoMole | so im assuming this is a kernel recompile |
| 06:56.19 | charlie5_lab | CutMeOwnThroat: does this seem reasonable ... " |
| 06:56.21 | charlie5_lab | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.22 | charlie5_lab | attempting to stop any existing netatalk service, when no such service |
| 06:56.24 | charlie5_lab | is running. |
| 06:56.25 | charlie5_lab | " |
| 06:58.24 | CryptoMole | let me put it another way I want two tuxes at the top of my screen when the kernel starts |
| 06:59.06 | CryptoMole | all I need to know is how can I use my existing kernel |
| 06:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* you're the expert :) |
| 06:59.53 | nkuttler | CryptoMole: i think you'll have to recompile. there's some docs in the kernel tree |
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| 07:00.35 | CryptoMole | ok kernel tree im confused again |
| 07:00.59 | CryptoMole | what doc and where is this doc |
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| 07:01.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, huh, guess I messed up my sources.list - just trying to install your package and it pulled in stuff from unstable, testing AND stable... (one's really not supposed to have all of them in sources.list) |
| 07:01.12 | charlie5_lab | heh, hok, off it goes ... cheers once more for the tips |
| 07:01.13 | nkuttler | CryptoMole: /usr/src/linux-foo |
| 07:01.23 | CryptoMole | ok |
| 07:01.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, despite that, it installed fine |
| 07:01.33 | nkuttler | er was it kernel-foo? haven't built one in ages |
| 07:01.42 | CryptoMole | so i will have to install a new fresh kernel |
| 07:01.56 | charlie5_lab | mm, i hope it's not just something i've messed up locally |
| 07:02.03 | Jkart | how do I benchmark cpu, memory, hard disk ? |
| 07:02.33 | CryptoMole | now for my really dumb question |
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| 07:02.50 | CryptoMole | what happens if i try and install sarge? |
| 07:02.56 | charlie5_lab | but for what it's worht, the package was pulled in automatically during a normal system update .. i'm not sure why, or even if i need it (it seems to be something to do with apple) |
| 07:03.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, trying again after removing stable |
| 07:03.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... and seems my package list was not very current :) |
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| 07:05.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, hm, no - seems fine only the "Starting Netatalk services (this will take a while)" step really takes ages... |
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| 07:09.46 | patrick-- | Hey, when using this "howto" to install debian from usb stick i get to the install routine and then it tells me that it cant read from the "cdrom" drive so i cannot complete the install. any idea on that? |
| 07:09.50 | patrick-- | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.de |
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| 07:15.38 | ferret_0567 | how do I change to a US Dvorak keyboard layout? |
| 07:15.51 | ferret_0567 | both at console and in Xorg? |
| 07:16.41 | enouf | !keymap |
| 07:16.42 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 07:17.18 | enouf | !info console-tools |
| 07:17.50 | dpkg | console-tools: (Linux console and font utilities), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.2.3dbs-65.1 (sid), Packaged size: 290 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
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| 07:18.23 | ferret_0567 | um...which Dvorak keymap should I chose? ANSI or standard? |
| 07:18.43 | ferret_0567 | or the Dvorak Classic? |
| 07:19.19 | ferret_0567 | how can I view what the differences are between the keymaps before I choose one and apply the changes? |
| 07:19.36 | enouf | !8ball which one; ansi, standard, classic |
| 07:19.36 | dpkg | Please ask again. |
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| 07:21.00 | ferret_0567 | no, I don't want 8ball to tell me what I should use |
| 07:21.59 | Supaplex | don't want the crack talking eh? |
| 07:22.15 | ferret_0567 | yes |
| 07:22.26 | ferret_0567 | I want a recommendation on what I should use |
| 07:22.54 | enouf | stop being scared to test shit |
| 07:22.58 | Supaplex | the left one |
| 07:23.17 | enouf | the right one is hangin a bit low |
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| 07:24.41 | kombi | what is the php accelerator of choice these days? |
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| 07:24.50 | Supaplex | !best |
| 07:24.50 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 07:25.06 | Supaplex | mod_perl ;) haha haaa haha! yeah that's it. |
| 07:25.12 | woonix | good ol' dpkg... |
| 07:25.17 | ferret_0567 | best for programming |
| 07:25.23 | ferret_0567 | and general use |
| 07:25.37 | Supaplex | any php accelerator I guess... |
| 07:25.42 | DiamondsTip | Anyone know a solution to full screen video playback lag in debian lenny/compiz? video plays fine in windowed mode. |
| 07:25.45 | johnrw | hi, Firstly... i should say i am running knoppix on disk... and yet i'd like to get some verboseness out of syslog somehow... every howto out there says things like edit /etc/syslog.conf with things like SYSLOGD="-m0" etc... but after getting no results... i find that to be defined in /etc/default/syslogd... *sighs* |
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| 07:25.57 | ferret_0567 | Supaplex, enouf: ^^^ |
| 07:26.02 | kombi | Supaplex: thing is, couldn't find anyone in the repos yet.. |
| 07:26.38 | Supaplex | so you may as well ask us just because of the audiance here? EFAIL. |
| 07:26.40 | pZombie | i need a few information snipplets to figure out if attempting to install debian is the right thing for me |
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| 07:27.03 | pZombie | what should i expect when installing debian as a desktop OS? |
| 07:27.03 | enouf | ferret_0567: knoppix is a very customized cd - no comparison |
| 07:27.19 | kombi | Supaplex: which one do you run? |
| 07:27.24 | ferret_0567 | enouf: what? |
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| 07:27.43 | ferret_0567 | Supaplex, enouf: I want a Dvorak keymap optimized for programming and general use |
| 07:27.50 | Supaplex | kombi: I avoid php at all cost. I write a lot of my code in perl, and if need be run it under mod_perl |
| 07:27.50 | enouf | ferret_0567: there are sooooooo many diffs, it's not even funny |
| 07:28.03 | charlie5_lab | CutMeOwnThroat: mm, maybe it something local to my machine ... i hope not, though, since it will waste the dev's time, if thats the case :/ |
| 07:28.05 | kombi | Supaplex: yet you answered...;) |
| 07:28.08 | enouf | ferret_0567: doesn't matter |
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| 07:28.45 | kombi | anyone here run a php accelerator from the repos? |
| 07:28.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, not necessarily... if it's other packages that make if fail for you... |
| 07:29.05 | Supaplex | ferret_0567: dvorak has a small market share. just pick one, test it out, see how it suits you. play with another in a week, and so on. then you'll know. it's like asking us what is your favorite salad dressing. |
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| 07:30.09 | ferret_0567 | Supaplex: well, I just want to know how to view the differences between the different dvorak keymaps |
| 07:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, heh, but I have something like that myself... the music tagger picard crashes for me - well, python crashes, because its a python script... and I can trace it back to a version change, where supposedly more site-local things in /usr/local are read |
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| 07:30.41 | Supaplex | ferret_0567: if it were me, I'd ask on the mailing list. |
| 07:30.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, I wrote a bug report but didn't file it because this _looks_ like it was some non-debian crap on my machine - on the other hand I moved /usr/local out of the way and the bug is still there... |
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| 07:31.13 | enouf | ferret_0567: ~$ find /usr/share/ -name '*dvorak*' -type f |
| 07:31.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm kinda in doubt if I should file that or if it'll turn out to be some left-over from some experiment I did |
| 07:31.36 | johnrw | ok... yes knoppix is customized... but still has the critical files located in the same spots... I even tried one line in /etc/syslog.conf *.* /var/log/syslog and did not get much results... |
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| 07:31.51 | enouf | johnrw: no .. |
| 07:32.24 | enouf | johnrw: knoppix has a minirt.gz .. debian does not |
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| 07:33.22 | enouf | johnrw: COW filesystems, when unexpected will produce unexpected results |
| 07:33.53 | johnrw | well printk was 8 4 1 7 and no debug msgs to speak of... |
| 07:33.57 | johnrw | COW ? |
| 07:34.04 | dondelelcaro | copy-on-write |
| 07:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ferret_0567, xkeycaps? |
| 07:34.53 | enouf | johnrw: google unionfs afs |
| 07:35.04 | enouf | er aufs |
| 07:35.18 | Supaplex | ponders what forensics he can pull off this "returned" drive that ended up back in the retail store. humm... looks trashed. |
| 07:36.25 | johnrw | enouf: well I know about them... but are you saying that the COW filesystem is why no messages are displayed? |
| 07:37.07 | Supaplex | is there a special version of dd that's robust for cloning a unreliable disk? eg, controller lock ups and the like. conv=noerror isn't always resiliant in some of these situations |
| 07:37.08 | enouf | johnrw: i have no idea which messages you mean, but the answer is likely .. yes |
| 07:37.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ferret_0567, or you just ask wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard |
| 07:37.54 | enouf | Supaplex: {g}ddrescue is the most recent versions, so , if any, those |
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| 07:38.26 | Supaplex | thanks enouf, I'll poke around for those. |
| 07:38.27 | enouf | Supaplex: controller lockups, if not a kernel issue -- check BIOS |
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| 07:39.37 | charlie5_lab | CutMeOwnThroat: all is fine here now :) ... muchos gratias |
| 07:39.45 | Supaplex | I'm sort of on a salvage fest. I don't think I've lost a lot, because I usually have things backed up. Some of my old drives are coping well on the usb<->ata adapter :) but there are a few remaining drives that may need more TLC |
| 07:40.02 | Supaplex | my bankers box is nearly full of the completed ones :P |
| 07:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, and you know what to do the next time :) |
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| 07:40.23 | johnrw | enouf: well I dunno... I run this box for weeks on end... without so much as a hiccup... konqueror never dies... I can open 25 konqy windows and maybe 3 firefox... It is reliable enough... just no debug messages...which i'd like to see from time to time. |
| 07:40.34 | charlie5_lab | yes, indeed :) ... i learned quite a bit, and it wasn't even painful ;) |
| 07:40.37 | johnrw | enouf: thanks for answering though... |
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| 07:41.16 | enouf | johnrw: " i find that to be defined in /etc/default/syslogd... *sighs*" <-- all i have uncommented in that file is SYSLOGD="" |
| 07:41.18 | charlie5_lab | CutMeOwnThroat: on the offchance that you should ever need any help with Ada programming language, i'm on #ada most of the time ;) |
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| 07:41.56 | enouf | johnrw: konqOUT will always die with less than say 150MB avail |
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| 07:42.18 | Supaplex | ouu ouu, let's install swapd on a tmpfs! |
| 07:42.27 | johnrw | enouf: i pasted the output of syslog in #flood |
| 07:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | charlie5_lab, hehe, I'll keep that in mind :) |
| 07:42.32 | enouf | Supaplex: stop -- too close |
| 07:42.35 | enouf | ;-) |
| 07:42.42 | Supaplex | haha :D |
| 07:42.43 | enouf | johnrw: that's nice |
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| 07:43.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | johnrw, what he's trying to tell you is that nearly nobody watches #flood, I guess... so it's better to use a pastebin (and there's a cool program pastebinit in lenny that makes that easier) |
| 07:44.18 | johnrw | well I know to make sure I don't try and use my swap file! but with 1.5 GB main memory... i can open a lot of windows... which is new for me... my wife gets the good stuff... |
| 07:44.27 | enouf | johnrw: ". and yet i'd like to get some verboseness out of syslog " enable debugging |
| 07:44.44 | enouf | johnrw: enable bootlogd , for starters |
| 07:45.07 | johnrw | pastebinit ?!! i usually use paste2pastebin.pl Cool... |
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| 07:45.35 | enouf | johnrw: it's nnot that nobody watches flood - they just need to be forewarned prior |
| 07:45.49 | enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 07:45.50 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 07:46.27 | johnrw | bootlogd.... is that what I am missing? |
| 07:46.27 | johnrw | i'll be darned... |
| 07:46.30 | woonix | hey, that's neato |
| 07:46.41 | johnrw | dpkg i wrote a howto on knoppix.net for that one... |
| 07:46.41 | dpkg | johnrw: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 07:46.46 | enouf | !bootlogd |
| 07:46.46 | dpkg | i heard bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 07:47.30 | enouf | johnrw: do not even try to compare debian to it's derivatives |
| 07:47.58 | Supaplex | we're not calling them wannabes now? |
| 07:48.01 | Supaplex | oh... right. |
| 07:48.48 | enouf | Supaplex: we're not even calling them mutant offspring' |
| 07:48.53 | enouf | yet |
| 07:49.10 | Supaplex | strokes his beard ... Humm.... Humm... |
| 07:49.40 | woonix | that paste2pastebin.pl link returns an empty document. |
| 07:49.52 | johnrw | http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117343#117343 |
| 07:50.41 | johnrw | i was still learning myself... but it has enough details to help me REinstall it on new machines... |
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| 07:51.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | johnrw, the thing I have to object to with pastebinit though is, that it doesn't take input from stdin... I'd like to paste into a shell instead of a browser |
| 07:51.27 | johnrw | but pastebin.ca is often unreliable... for some dumb reason i dunno |
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| 07:51.48 | hughszg | #flood test this function |
| 07:51.50 | Supaplex | johnrw: ipv6 partially, iirc. |
| 07:51.53 | johnrw | CutMeOwnThroat: if you use the script ./paste2pastebin - |
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| 07:52.20 | Supaplex | netcat works fine from the factoid |
| 07:52.22 | woonix | I just read the manpage for pastebinit, and it says you can use a '-' in place of the filename to read stdin |
| 07:52.53 | johnrw | i use - all the time |
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| 07:53.04 | johnrw | that's when it gets REALLY useful |
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| 07:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | woonix, try it... |
| 07:53.30 | johnrw | who wants to make a file and save it when you can just hit the middle mouse button... |
| 07:53.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | woonix, how do you end your paste? |
| 07:53.44 | johnrw | ctrl-D |
| 07:54.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that makes it exit with 'KeyboardInterrupt caught.' for me |
| 07:54.12 | Supaplex | it's also fun to rapidly type in the shell. |
| 07:54.17 | woonix | CutMeOwnThroat: I just did cat /etc/motd | pastebinit -i - |
| 07:54.26 | woonix | and it gave me the URL after 1 sec |
| 07:54.46 | woonix | I didn't have to Ctrl-D or anything to end it |
| 07:55.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | woonix, yes, that works but not pasting into it |
| 07:55.27 | johnrw | motd reaches an EOF right? |
| 07:55.27 | woonix | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, I see what you're saying. Let me try it that way |
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| 07:56.03 | woonix | CutMeOwnThroat: ok I pasted this time intead of piping, and used Ctrl-D to signal EOF |
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| 07:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and it aborts |
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| 07:57.10 | johnrw | well ctrl-D works with this pastebin script... http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl |
| 07:57.17 | woonix | It Works For Me (tm) |
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| 07:57.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | woonix, ctrl-D with pastebinit? |
| 07:58.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually it's wrong - ctrl-d is EOF, ctrl-c is intr |
| 07:58.24 | woonix | yep... i pasted in a block of text with my mouse and then hit Ctrl-D, and it gave me the pastebin URL |
| 07:58.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh\ |
| 07:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, there's a newer version in lenny |
| 07:59.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's fixed! |
| 07:59.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | cool |
| 07:59.10 | heroxbd | Hello, how can I extract a list of packages that are manually installed on my system? |
| 07:59.11 | woonix | I'm using the lenny version |
| 07:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | woonix, so did I... but a previous one |
| 07:59.33 | johnrw | last time i tried to install WWW::Mechanize it failed because some test site changed... |
| 07:59.40 | Supaplex | well you busted it, ouuuuu I'm telling mom! |
| 07:59.58 | woonix | heroxbd: I use dpkg -l |
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| 08:00.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | "manually installed"? |
| 08:00.33 | woonix | oh yeah, what do you mean "manually" installed? there's no difference as far as the system is concerned how exactly the package got installed |
| 08:00.43 | johnrw | yeah... i guess... manually... |
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| 08:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | woonix, well, there is, actually |
| 08:01.42 | woonix | CutMeOwnThroat: how? |
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| 08:02.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | woonix, aptitude/apt-get keep a list of dependencies that were automatically pulled in and can be removed when all their dependencies are gone |
| 08:02.33 | johnrw | ok... well i gotta run... it's 3AM, sooooo good luck on it... |
| 08:02.39 | johnrw | l8r |
| 08:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !autoremove |
| 08:02.44 | dpkg | i guess autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed. Aptitude will try to automatically remove packages that it thinks are no longer needed and from lenny onwards, so will apt-get and synaptic. If you remove a package that also causes a large metapackage like gnome to be autoremoved then this will cause you problems. Ask me about <unmarkauto>. |
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| 08:04.37 | heroxbd | woonix: But that does not select out the *Manually installed* packages (cf. Auto installed) |
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| 08:06.22 | woonix | hm... well I've been away from Debian for a few years. |
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| 08:07.11 | woonix | Welcome to #Debian, Agiofws. |
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| 08:07.42 | woonix | That's my Walmart greeter impression. |
| 08:07.45 | Agiofws | woonix, are a bot ? |
| 08:07.47 | heroxbd | woonix: Then why are you still hanging around? |
| 08:07.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, aptitude shows you the status |
| 08:07.59 | heroxbd | Agiofws: ha, no |
| 08:08.00 | woonix | woonix: because I just reinstalled |
| 08:08.11 | woonix | oops how did i reply to myself |
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| 08:08.15 | Agiofws | woonix, you think thats a mall you have there ? |
| 08:08.30 | heroxbd | woonix: Oooooo, welcome back! |
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| 08:09.04 | woonix | And coincidentally, I'm using the same laptop that I had shelved for the same period of time. Good ol' Toshiba Tecra 8000, 366 MHz |
| 08:09.08 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: can I extract them into, say, a text file? |
| 08:09.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, reading manpages :) |
| 08:09.43 | heroxbd | woonix: Geeks love old devices. |
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| 08:10.27 | woonix | heroxbd: It's like a comfortable but beaten up old pair of sneakers. |
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| 08:10.46 | aspWork | hi guys, i am running lenny on an imac, and i use lilo to boot it. I update the kernel without fixing the ati drivers, and now it crashes on loading gdm, and i cant switch to a console with ctrl+alt+number, is there a way to prevent gdm from loading on boot? |
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| 08:12.04 | heroxbd | woonix: Yes. Espeically when you work remotely. The old device is more than enough. |
| 08:12.40 | Supaplex | wonders what's on this 3gb laptop disk with a bsd partition on it (besides bsd) humm... |
| 08:13.07 | Supaplex | !tell aspWork -about nodm |
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| 08:13.10 | Supaplex | !tell aspWork -about single |
| 08:13.23 | Hoxzer | aspWork: yes: sudo update-rc.d gdm remove |
| 08:13.56 | aspWork | Hoxzer: cant reach the console though |
| 08:14.08 | woonix | aspWork: Do you have a LILO prompt where you can enter boot parameters? |
| 08:14.16 | aspWork | woonix: yes |
| 08:14.31 | aspWork | us grub normaly, thats why i dont know my way around lilo |
| 08:14.32 | Hoxzer | aspWork: You could boot the linux in single user mode grub should have entry for that |
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| 08:14.34 | Supaplex | then read what the bot said :) |
| 08:14.41 | woonix | ok, so you type in "single" as a boot parameter and it should take you into single user mode, like the bot said |
| 08:14.46 | Supaplex | I think you hit escape early in lilo |
| 08:14.57 | aspWork | ok, ill give that a try then |
| 08:14.59 | aspWork | thnx |
| 08:15.16 | woonix | aka "Safe Mode" :P |
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| 08:17.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, if you're patient, you can... |
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| 08:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, haha... but I guess this takes HOURS |
| 08:18.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 08:18.42 | woonix | heroxbd: I'm gonna use this system to do some light web servering and test out Asterisk PBX, since I just got a cheap VoIP account with a local provider. |
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| 08:20.02 | yang | woonix: there is also #asterisk you know? |
| 08:20.32 | woonix | I didn't know but I'm not surprised. I may check in with them if I have any trouble. |
| 08:20.45 | woonix | I'm sure there's plenty of documentation I can read through. |
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| 08:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, well, two solutions... |
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| 08:21.55 | anewbie | hi there duudes i want do enter mi internet settings and few more commands in rc.d but i wonder in whitch rc.d i must add them |
| 08:22.10 | anewbie | i know that the diffrent rc.d are executed on diffrent levels |
| 08:22.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | internet settings? |
| 08:22.26 | woonix | Internet settings? Like what, setting your IP address? |
| 08:22.27 | anewbie | but in whtch will be correct |
| 08:22.36 | anewbie | yep |
| 08:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.59 | woonix | Also read the interfaces man page |
| 08:23.07 | woonix | "man interfaces" at the command line |
| 08:23.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at man interfaces and at the example interfaces files |
| 08:23.28 | anewbie | ok i will do that |
| 08:23.31 | anewbie | but how about rc.d |
| 08:23.37 | anewbie | whitch one rc is best forr use |
| 08:23.38 | anewbie | ? |
| 08:23.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | for what |
| 08:24.00 | woonix | you don't need to mess around in there unless you are trying to change which programs start up when your system boots |
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| 08:24.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably don't have to touch them (like with interfaces) |
| 08:24.13 | anewbie | exeactly for that |
| 08:24.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | like what |
| 08:24.36 | anewbie | for exemple whitch rc.d i must use for somekind of startup |
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| 08:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example interfaces file |
| 08:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | what kind of startup? |
| 08:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | whenever you install a package, it'll install startup files automatically |
| 08:25.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and most probably it'll ask you if it should be started |
| 08:26.17 | anewbie | :) aham if i want to start python script at the startup of the system |
| 08:26.18 | anewbie | .. |
| 08:26.21 | woonix | !init.d |
| 08:26.21 | dpkg | somebody said init.d was where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel> |
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| 08:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | what python script? |
| 08:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're being secretive! |
| 08:26.54 | basanta | I was looking for a web hosting control panel, is there any? |
| 08:27.23 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: OH? I was also "man aptitude"ing |
| 08:27.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, the point is, that for most tasks some pre-packaged solution exists, so you won't have to bother |
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| 08:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, well, two solutions - one scripty which is totally slow: |
| 08:27.54 | anewbie | thx guys :) i will not touch that for now |
| 08:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l | awk /ii/'{print $2}' | xargs -i bash -c "echo -n '{} '; aptitude show '{}'|grep 'Automatically installed:'" |
| 08:27.58 | dpkg | ii | awk /ii/'{print $2}' | xargs -i bash -c "echo -n '{} '; aptitude show '{}'|grep 'Automatically installed:'" 3.4-14 cutmeownthroat's private stamp collection |
| 08:27.59 | anewbie | thx a lot for the atention |
| 08:28.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 08:28.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, rc.local is what you probably want for custom stuff |
| 08:28.22 | woonix | basanta: You'll probably have to do a google search on that. |
| 08:28.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, and there is by default no differences between runlevels in Debian, but 3 is the default runlevel |
| 08:28.40 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: Waaaa. That's cute! |
| 08:28.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, wait till you run it |
| 08:28.51 | anewbie | ahaa |
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| 08:29.04 | anewbie | 3 |
| 08:29.08 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.09 | anewbie | i see |
| 08:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, the fast solution is, call aptitude without arguments, go to installed packages and press [ |
| 08:29.12 | anewbie | thx a lot once again |
| 08:29.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, oops... 2! |
| 08:29.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, type runlevel to see your current one |
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| 08:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, all packages that don't have an 'A' now are considered to not be automatically installed |
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| 08:30.43 | simonrvn | there is no "local" runlevel. it's isn't RH based... |
| 08:30.53 | davidcam | anyone know how in syslog-ng to have syslog output go directly to network loghost and not local disk too? |
| 08:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, no, but there is a rc.local file |
| 08:31.05 | simonrvn | sure |
| 08:31.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least there WAS last time I looked |
| 08:31.33 | anewbie | yeah there is |
| 08:31.38 | anewbie | i use debian lenny |
| 08:31.42 | simonrvn | still is. handy for extremely simple stuff that don't merit a full init script. |
| 08:31.45 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.51 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: I bet I will use the first. |
| 08:32.04 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: Cuz I need to extract to a text file. |
| 08:32.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you never know when the devious debian devs will change something to make me look clueless |
| 08:32.28 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: i doubt it's just to confuse you ;). |
| 08:32.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, you might ask again, there must be a better way :) |
| 08:32.35 | simonrvn | LOL |
| 08:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not out there to get you! |
| 08:33.09 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: in my case, they are ;). |
| 08:33.20 | simonrvn | not DDs though |
| 08:33.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, you're just paranoid :-P |
| 08:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and I hope you know where that quote is from) |
| 08:33.47 | simonrvn | not paranoid if it's true ;) |
| 08:33.51 | simonrvn | paranoia* |
| 08:34.11 | simonrvn | honestly, i've forgotten |
| 08:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hitchhikers guide... although I have to take the word of some guy for it |
| 08:35.28 | simonrvn | it looks like i have to upgrade an etch box to lenny prematurely, and i'm dreading it, due to some unfortunate upgrade issues last time i tried. but that was last year.... |
| 08:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi?Gw=just+because+you're+not+paranoid+doesn't+mean+they're+not+out+there+to+get+you&n=1 |
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| 08:35.53 | simonrvn | yeeeh, of course. i do believe it is from that. |
| 08:36.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not what I wanted to say with that |
| 08:36.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | google is amazingly unhelpful, seems that got cited in a lot of stupid blogs |
| 08:36.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 08:36.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn scroogle |
| 08:37.26 | anewbie | hmm |
| 08:38.16 | simonrvn | well, i have a backup running right now for the database, so it isn't urgent. it's just the glibc upgrade that was really fucked.... |
| 08:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, and it's just because you're paranoid, it seems |
| 08:38.31 | simonrvn | (the etch->lenny thing) |
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| 08:39.15 | simonrvn | nice, this optical mouse moves almost like a tablet's pen. |
| 08:40.20 | simonrvn | don't mind me, i'm tired and i tend to prattle on when i am... |
| 08:41.46 | beardy | !mind simonrvn |
| 08:41.49 | woonix | CutMeOwnThroat: I did a little investigation on "aptitude show" and found an interesting text file: /var/lib/apt/extended_states |
| 08:42.14 | simonrvn | woonix: aaah, that's where aptitude stores that stuff. |
| 08:42.17 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: Maybe it is better to dig into python-apt and look directly the database :) |
| 08:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | woonix, ah, indeed |
| 08:42.34 | beardy | I have a nice optical mouse too. |
| 08:42.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | heroxbd, ^^ see what woonix said |
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| 08:43.03 | basanta | woonix, I got syscp DTC, ispconfig |
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| 08:43.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | woonix, doesn't contain all installed packages, though |
| 08:43.35 | anewbie | hmm this is strange how to check the permissions of each group |
| 08:43.39 | anewbie | i make group |
| 08:43.55 | anewbie | but there is groups only i cant see even witch users are there |
| 08:43.56 | anewbie | .... |
| 08:43.57 | beardy | anewbie: The permissions of users and groups are per file. |
| 08:44.04 | simonrvn | s/witch/which/ |
| 08:44.23 | anewbie | damn may be i pose my questions wrong then :( |
| 08:44.30 | heroxbd | CutMeOwnThroat: woonix: Wooow that's the place exactly for the aim! |
| 08:44.38 | anewbie | i want to add one guy to my system but i want him to have acces only for his /home |
| 08:44.40 | woonix | CutMeOwnThroat: I wonder how it chooses those |
| 08:44.45 | anewbie | if i make adduser tralala |
| 08:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | woonix, indeed - most seem to be lib\* |
| 08:45.00 | anewbie | ... what permission i will give him ? |
| 08:45.02 | beardy | anewbie: If you don't see any users in the group, there aren't any. |
| 08:45.03 | anewbie | man adduser |
| 08:45.06 | anewbie | dont tell nothing |
| 08:45.18 | simonrvn | anewbie: uh, you'd have to chroot() that user, plus have copied parts of / in order to do that.... |
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| 08:45.39 | simonrvn | (what a pita) |
| 08:45.45 | beardy | anewbie: Like simonrvn said, it's more complex than just adding a user, if you want to lock him in. |
| 08:46.02 | simonrvn | if you can't trust someone to have read-only access to stuff, then don't them have shell access. |
| 08:46.14 | simonrvn | don't let them* |
| 08:46.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, if a "do not walk on lawn" sign is enough, a restricted shell does the job and is much simpler |
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| 08:46.31 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: of course |
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| 08:46.49 | anewbie | hmm |
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| 08:47.04 | simonrvn | loginShell: /bin/rbash |
| 08:47.06 | anewbie | ok then but what permissions have a user if he is added by adduser |
| 08:47.07 | anewbie | ? |
| 08:47.17 | anewbie | he dont have audio and video acces |
| 08:47.26 | simonrvn | so? |
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| 08:47.36 | anewbie | but cant execute programss witch are installed on the system ? |
| 08:47.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, why don't you try it |
| 08:47.43 | anewbie | or can he browse in ... /etc for exemple |
| 08:47.52 | beardy | anewbie: He can execute all programs that any other can execute. |
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| 08:47.59 | beardy | anewbie: Yes, of course. |
| 08:48.09 | Supaplex | !tell anewbie -about grounding |
| 08:48.21 | simonrvn | seriously |
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| 08:48.34 | beardy | anewbie: But he can not read things that only root has the right to read. Don't give access to someone that you can't trust. |
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| 08:49.09 | simonrvn | that's just plain common sense ;). |
| 08:49.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | what, not even me? |
| 08:49.18 | anewbie | but you say there is way too lock him |
| 08:49.21 | beardy | That is what most lack. |
| 08:49.36 | anewbie | and make him execute limited programs and commands |
| 08:49.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, for the people who know how to do that :) |
| 08:50.07 | simonrvn | anewbie: man bash; then /restricted |
| 08:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they know how much work it is to set that up and 99% reconsider |
| 08:50.13 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.42 | Supaplex | simonrvn: that and a healthy use of process accounting :) |
| 08:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, yes... that's what I suggested earlier - look at restricted shells essentially you change the shell from bash to rbash |
| 08:50.51 | beardy | Yes, there are ways. chroot jail is one, install a virtual machine and strip it down, is another |
| 08:50.53 | Supaplex | and a slew of other things |
| 08:51.04 | simonrvn | nowadays, people with even an ancient box can install a linux distro, it's not like people can't get a shell.... |
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| 08:51.16 | simonrvn | Supaplex: :) |
| 08:51.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, indeed... want to give me a shell? :) |
| 08:51.41 | anewbie | you are right for me is strange linux is multiuser system there must be easy way to make limited accounts |
| 08:51.47 | Supaplex | oh no! not the vmware player image! they'll use it to attack us. help! ;) |
| 08:51.54 | anewbie | the single user winndblows have more simple way |
| 08:52.02 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: sure. should I dcc send you /bin/sh or /bin/bash ? |
| 08:52.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, all accounts are limited with the exception of root |
| 08:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !slap Supaplex |
| 08:52.11 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Supaplex's face |
| 08:52.16 | beardy | anewbie: It is, for people you trust. Linux os not secure if people want to do damage. |
| 08:52.18 | Supaplex | hahaha you asked! |
| 08:52.24 | beardy | s/os/is |
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| 08:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, well, that's not really true |
| 08:52.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I take that back |
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| 08:53.44 | woonix | You can lock it down depending on how much work you want to put into it. |
| 08:53.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | if sufficiently sophisticated people want to do damage, they do damage... that's one reason why this terrorism-increase-security-and-give-your-freedom-away approach is stupid |
| 08:53.48 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
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| 08:54.28 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: indeed |
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| 08:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't understand though, why there is no process limit against fork bombs in Debian |
| 08:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... by default |
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| 08:55.29 | alcohol | why should there be? |
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| 08:55.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | why should there not be? |
| 08:55.54 | woonix | I think the assumption is that the user is going to take responsibility for not destroying his own system |
| 08:56.06 | Supaplex | look at /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 08:56.12 | alcohol | because apps like apache could cause for unintended spikes in forking |
| 08:56.13 | beardy | It's easier to add something than to completely revert something, for those that want it. |
| 08:56.15 | alcohol | depending on setup |
| 08:56.16 | woonix | or if he decides to grant access to others, that he is going to figure out how much security he needs. |
| 08:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as to why there should be... because it's not nice if your system dies from a fork bomb - if on purpose or an accidently started one |
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| 08:56.34 | simonrvn | ...anyone who's going to be running a multi-user system is assumed to have enough knowledge to configure that anyway. |
| 08:56.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, I did... |
| 08:56.43 | Supaplex | ulimit, and (autonice daemon), swapd, proper mount options |
| 08:57.02 | woonix | and user quotas |
| 08:58.04 | simonrvn | alcohol: though any spike in forking in apache IME are usually due to attacks on the http daemon ;). |
| 08:58.18 | Supaplex | hint, it's more capable than the winblows option. |
| 08:58.27 | alcohol | simonrvn: not neccesarily, but usually yes. |
| 08:58.29 | simonrvn | for *sure* |
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| 08:58.37 | beardy | Of course. |
| 08:58.42 | simonrvn | alcohol: /. is another, hehe :P |
| 08:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | alcohol, it could be a limit of 10000 - which I guess means the system would survive a forkbomb - don't tell me apache'd use more than that... |
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| 08:59.25 | simonrvn | anyway, though limits have a soft and hard limit, and can be set per user and per group. |
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| 08:59.31 | Supaplex | 10000 what? forks? 10000 processes/threads is usually a ... bad thing. |
| 08:59.33 | alcohol | CutMeOwnThroat: I imagine not :p |
| 09:00.06 | Supaplex | speaking of /. I think I'll visit the main story and check it out. just because. |
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| 09:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, indeed... so if there's more than 10000 processes probably something went wrong and it'd be ok that there's a limit to stop it |
| 09:00.16 | simonrvn | Supaplex: even in the forked version. if you're going to be running that many anyway, you'd consider using something like lighttpd or nginx. |
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| 09:01.21 | simonrvn | er, s,though,those, |
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| 09:01.40 | beardy | What does er do? |
| 09:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I don't see why it's unlimited in Debian, when a quite high limit would probably be safer without affecting anyone |
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| 09:02.36 | beardy | Because false senses of security is worse than none, perhaps. |
| 09:03.38 | beardy | Or it isn't thought about. "Report a bug." is the usual answer isn't it. |
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| 09:03.53 | icenine | there are tooo many revision control softwares!!!! |
| 09:03.55 | icenine | i just want ONE |
| 09:04.04 | beardy | Choose one. |
| 09:04.26 | anewbie | ok :) now i want to ask something about private curiosity :) if i run nfs and mount partition that countain / on it is there posibility too bot the remote system |
| 09:04.26 | anewbie | ? |
| 09:04.27 | icenine | beardy: doesn't help when all the different projects you're interested in use git, mercurial, bazaar, svn, etc |
| 09:04.31 | icenine | so you're forced ;d |
| 09:04.32 | anewbie | form the other pc |
| 09:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | too bot? |
| 09:05.13 | woonix | anewbie: You can boot a completely diskless system over the network, if that answers your question. |
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| 09:06.35 | anewbie | hmm i mean if i have in my fstab mounted the filesystem of other system is there possibility to boot the remote system and .. use kde for exemple |
| 09:06.35 | Supaplex | anewbie: I do it all the time here. I have 13 new servers ready to do that soon. |
| 09:06.41 | beardy | anewbie: But when doing that you transfer a small image to put in a ramdisk to boot from, before you can mount any network filesystems. |
| 09:06.59 | anewbie | aha |
| 09:07.18 | Supaplex | I use dhcp+pxe+tftp+nfs for that. |
| 09:07.20 | anewbie | beardy, that means that i can't add the kernel of the other system in grub ? |
| 09:07.48 | Supaplex | you do that on the nfs export |
| 09:08.09 | Supaplex | scratch that. I use pxegrub for that. |
| 09:08.24 | patrick-- | 7wc |
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| 09:08.42 | anewbie | i see :) it is still to complex for me |
| 09:08.44 | beardy | anewbie: You need the kernel before you can read it over nfs. So.. not in that way no. |
| 09:09.17 | Supaplex | we're not forcing you to use it. try something within your grasp |
| 09:09.20 | beardy | anewbie: But you can of course use the same kernel, but it has to be sent to the diskless machine in another way, first. |
| 09:09.32 | anewbie | thx a lot :) once again for now i want to do that think wit rbash and start nfs :) |
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| 09:10.06 | beardy | anewbie: I'm sure searching the web for what Supaplex said above will give you some starting points. |
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| 09:10.27 | anewbie | for ssure i do it in verry that moment about rbash and nfs |
| 09:10.53 | Supaplex | I had to roll pxegrub from gentoo :P thank $diety for vserver baby. :) |
| 09:11.02 | anewbie | you are verry usefull guys :) when i become more advance i will help other peoples too like you |
| 09:11.23 | anewbie | infact i trying to do that in bulgarian irc network but i answer only to basic questions |
| 09:11.29 | anewbie | but this is offtopic here i think |
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| 09:11.57 | beardy | That's good, answer what you can, it's a nice way to give something back. |
| 09:12.03 | simonrvn | Supaplex: so that turned out to be pretty awesome then, eh? |
| 09:12.44 | anewbie | yeah for sure there is few guys here that help a lot other times |
| 09:13.17 | anewbie | i remember jelly-home and liable :) liable help me alot with my eee :) he's the allpowerfull eee guru |
| 09:13.18 | anewbie | kekeke |
| 09:13.21 | anewbie | :D ^^ |
| 09:13.23 | simonrvn | ok, i'll do that ->lenny upgrade tomorrow... that sort of shit isn't good to start when you're tired and about to go to sleep.... |
| 09:14.06 | beardy | :) |
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| 09:15.22 | simonrvn | it's certainly better than building backports for 3-5 other packages for the thing you need to build, in order to build another thing... |
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| 09:15.57 | alcohol | aye |
| 09:15.59 | alcohol | lenny is nice |
| 09:16.11 | simonrvn | and almost released :) |
| 09:16.13 | alcohol | I hope we will upgrade our servers from etch to lenny too |
| 09:16.19 | alcohol | but it seems unlikely |
| 09:16.23 | alcohol | considering how lazy the main admin is |
| 09:16.51 | anewbie | hmm i use lenny of my home desktop and my eee |
| 09:16.55 | anewbie | and ... its pretty cool |
| 09:17.14 | anewbie | i have a lot more problems with kubuntu 8.10 stable |
| 09:17.18 | anewbie | then the unstable lenny |
| 09:17.31 | simonrvn | lenny is testing |
| 09:17.38 | anewbie | the only strange thing that i see it was last night when my ctrl key stop working |
| 09:17.46 | anewbie | but after reboot everything was ok |
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| 09:18.27 | alcohol | I have ubuntu for my desktop |
| 09:18.30 | alcohol | :> |
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| 09:22.05 | anewbie | alcohol, 8.10 ? |
| 09:22.14 | alcohol | aye |
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| 09:39.48 | Kohvihoor | can anyone link me to linux-image-2.6.24 for sid? |
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| 09:40.35 | avtobiff | Kohvihoor, packages.debian.org can, check it out |
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| 09:44.28 | themill | Kohvihoor: there are no 2.6.24 packages for sid. Sid has 2.6.26. If you want an old, unmaintained kernel for sid, try snapshots.debian.net. ymmv. |
| 09:44.42 | themill | !sdn |
| 09:44.42 | dpkg | it has been said that snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 09:45.07 | Kohvihoor | thanks, themill! |
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| 09:45.46 | Kohvihoor | that link shows nothing, themill |
| 09:46.03 | themill | sorry, should be http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 09:48.19 | Supaplex | dpkg: enouf++ gddrescue++ |
| 09:48.20 | dpkg | Supaplex: no idea |
| 09:49.16 | themill | At least you didn't get called a moron, I guess. |
| 09:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 09:49.47 | vaq | I just did an kernel upgrade and now I get the error: "Problem when loading /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz - run install-keymap" and the keyboard is not working at tty[1-6], but I can login from ssh. Any ideas how to fix this? What prefixes should install-keymap be run with? |
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| 09:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | what wouldve that been for anyway |
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| 09:51.25 | Kohvihoor | is it somehow possible to have one computer, with two monitors, keyboards and mice, and have two people working on it at the same time? |
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| 09:55.11 | tomodachi | Kohvihoor: yes it is |
| 09:55.14 | tomodachi | never done it though |
| 09:55.23 | tomodachi | but you can have multiple x servers connected to it |
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| 09:59.55 | tomodachi | and different keyboards assigned to different x servers |
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| 10:00.12 | tomodachi | i read about it a couple of years ago so i have no practical experience in this matter |
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| 10:01.14 | cirno9 | alright guys |
| 10:01.28 | cirno9 | i have a serious issue with debian lennie |
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| 10:01.39 | eddyb | can anyone help me find debian 2.0 iso? |
| 10:01.47 | hifi | me too, it's too good to be true |
| 10:01.48 | cirno9 | but please don't call me out on it untill i'm done explaining my issue, okay? |
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| 10:02.10 | ktwilight[m] | cirno9, shoot |
| 10:02.13 | et | cirno9: then do so on one line, so noone can do ;) |
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| 10:02.20 | cirno9 | okay :) |
| 10:02.22 | cirno9 | alright so |
| 10:02.25 | cirno9 | give me a few minutes |
| 10:02.30 | cirno9 | i'm going to run the terminal |
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| 10:02.44 | cirno9 | i'm going to give you the bugs i've already picked out, alright? |
| 10:02.59 | ktwilight[m] | hti it |
| 10:03.04 | avu | cirno9, stop with all the meta-talk and get to the point ;) |
| 10:03.12 | eddyb | c'mon |
| 10:03.22 | cirno9 | (uh but also,,, don't call me a noob, but, is there a way i can copy and paste that shit?_ |
| 10:03.29 | eddyb | is there any way to get debian 2.0 |
| 10:03.31 | eddyb | ? |
| 10:03.32 | cirno9 | from the terminal? |
| 10:03.43 | cirno9 | like |
| 10:03.54 | eddyb | i need it for some qemu tests |
| 10:03.57 | avu | cirno9, if you don't have X running, you can either use gpm or screen to have cnp functionality |
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| 10:04.19 | eddyb | cirno9: select it and press Ctrl+C ? :P |
| 10:04.25 | cirno9 | is there a location for logs? |
| 10:04.28 | lummox | lol |
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| 10:04.40 | avu | eddyb, that works in no terminal or terminal emulator i've ever worked with :) |
| 10:04.48 | cirno9 | doesn't let me ctrl + c the terminal |
| 10:04.57 | eddyb | avu: konsole :P |
| 10:05.08 | avu | eddyb, not by default, no |
| 10:05.17 | cirno9 | if there's no way to find the logs though, i can just re-type the bugs i've found |
| 10:05.24 | avu | eddyb, would suck pretty hard if it would, since C-c has a different meaning on terminals.. |
| 10:05.24 | eddyb | * Ctrl+Shift+C |
| 10:05.28 | eddyb | my wrong |
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| 10:05.36 | Trewas | eddyb: it probably did not have cd-images, so you'll have to start installation from floppy, but those should be available in archive.debian.org |
| 10:05.38 | niere | hi |
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| 10:06.59 | eddyb | yeah, Ctrl+C never works, it's actually Ctrl+Shift+C |
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| 10:08.04 | cirno9 | does it? |
| 10:08.08 | cirno9 | alright i'lll try that |
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| 10:08.15 | cirno9 | if not i'll just type it up |
| 10:08.45 | eddyb | Trewas: i need it to have ipv6... |
| 10:08.52 | niere | i'm having trouble with a local (complex) repository and its Release files - they are being ignored by apt-get, even though there's a "Hit" line (and the Release file is being pulled, as seen in the apache log); i can only pin via origin, but there's no release information for the local repos |
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| 10:09.01 | cirno9 | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' |
| 10:09.05 | cirno9 | first bug |
| 10:09.12 | Trewas | eddyb: haha |
| 10:09.18 | cirno9 | but that's note even close to the whole of it |
| 10:09.31 | cirno9 | so give it a few minutes, and i'll post the important parts |
| 10:09.36 | eddyb | then 3.0 ? |
| 10:09.38 | cirno9 | i've isolated the important parts |
| 10:09.49 | ma3x | why touch filename%d-%h-%H\:%M\:%S.txt doesn't create the name with the proper date tag? |
| 10:10.04 | Trewas | eddyb: why not etch? is there some particular reason to use an ancient release? |
| 10:10.15 | eddyb | Trewas: qemu :P |
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| 10:10.39 | eddyb | i need something old(fast) and good |
| 10:10.55 | cirno9 | then i run that command |
| 10:11.29 | cirno9 | running it now |
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| 10:13.12 | Trewas | eddyb: I doubt the old releases are any faster if you install only the base system, unless you are seriously limited in memory |
| 10:13.28 | cirno9 | second bug |
| 10:13.32 | cirno9 | Setting up exim4-config (4.69-9) ... |
| 10:13.33 | cirno9 | /usr/sbin/update-exim4defaults: line 79: getopt: command not found |
| 10:13.33 | cirno9 | Terminating... |
| 10:13.33 | cirno9 | Setting up exim4-config (4.69-9) ... |
| 10:13.33 | cirno9 | /usr/sbin/update-exim4defaults: line 79: getopt: command not found |
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| 10:13.46 | eddyb | yeah, but in qemu 4.0 doesn't install :| |
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| 10:14.07 | cirno9 | did you guys get that? |
| 10:14.17 | cirno9 | i got kicked by accidentally copying it twice.. sorry |
| 10:14.19 | cirno9 | lol |
| 10:14.28 | cirno9 | i believe that first line to be the main bug though |
| 10:14.44 | cirno9 | getopt perhaps being missing |
| 10:14.51 | cirno9 | although |
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| 10:14.54 | Trewas | eddyb: well, I'd try going back one release at the time... but I know nothing about qemu and why older release would work better |
| 10:15.08 | cirno9 | when i try to install util-linux it does not install |
| 10:15.14 | lummox | cirno9, you can type which getopt to see if getopt exists |
| 10:15.18 | lummox | "which getopt" |
| 10:15.28 | cirno9 | alright i'll give that a shot |
| 10:15.52 | cirno9 | loki@yggdrasil:~$ which getopt |
| 10:15.53 | cirno9 | loki@yggdrasil:~$ |
| 10:16.04 | cirno9 | ? >< |
| 10:16.09 | lummox | so getopt executable is not found within any of the paths in the PATH env variable |
| 10:16.14 | eddyb | install it |
| 10:16.24 | lummox | maybe it is installed but not in the PATH |
| 10:16.25 | cirno9 | i've tried that |
| 10:16.32 | cirno9 | this what happens when i do that |
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| 10:16.36 | cirno9 | i'll show you |
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| 10:17.34 | cirno9 | loki@yggdrasil:~$ sudo apt-get install util-linux |
| 10:17.34 | cirno9 | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 10:17.35 | cirno9 | loki@yggdrasil:~$ |
| 10:17.48 | cirno9 | util-linux is the package containting get-opt |
| 10:18.11 | eddyb | dpkg --configure -a :P |
| 10:18.11 | dpkg | eddyb: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 10:18.24 | cirno9 | yeah, i've done that thousands of times eddyb |
| 10:18.27 | cirno9 | :) |
| 10:18.50 | eddyb | compile it :P |
| 10:18.56 | cirno9 | GOOD IDEA |
| 10:19.06 | cirno9 | hm |
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| 10:19.38 | cirno9 | whats a repository where i can get the source tar of debian packages? |
| 10:19.52 | niere | is anyone here running his/her own repository, and using Release files (successfully) with that? |
| 10:19.54 | lummox | does it work to install other packages? |
| 10:20.01 | cirno9 | me? |
| 10:20.03 | lummox | or is it only broken for utril-linux? |
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| 10:20.06 | lummox | yes |
| 10:20.12 | cirno9 | apt/dpkg will not work for anything |
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| 10:20.25 | lummox | cool |
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| 10:22.08 | lummox | someone dl the source code of dpkg and look for the reasons that cauzse this error message ;> |
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| 10:23.04 | cirno9 | damnit |
| 10:23.05 | cirno9 | xD |
| 10:23.23 | cirno9 | i wish i knew more about dpkg |
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| 10:25.39 | jelly-home | cirno9: have you tried running "dpkg --configure -a" as root, like the error suggested? |
| 10:25.39 | eddyb | where the fuck is the iso/floppy img in http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/potato/ ?! |
| 10:25.45 | cirno9 | yes i have |
| 10:25.48 | cirno9 | gives the same errors |
| 10:26.05 | cirno9 | exact same |
| 10:26.21 | lummox | "Could not run 'dpkg --configure -a'. Type dpkg --configure -a to solve this problem." |
| 10:26.38 | cirno9 | i've ran it about 100 times |
| 10:26.43 | cirno9 | doesn't work |
| 10:26.49 | lummox | is your hdd writable? |
| 10:26.56 | cirno9 | i can post the entire output if you want? |
| 10:27.02 | cirno9 | yes it is |
| 10:27.04 | avu | !doesn't work |
| 10:27.05 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 10:27.25 | cirno9 | i can create new files but i can't install any software because apt and dpkg won't work |
| 10:27.33 | jelly-home | cirno9: download the util-linux package and install it with dpkg -i ...deb |
| 10:27.41 | cirno9 | okay |
| 10:27.45 | ranza_ | is there a way to run both mysql4 and 5 on the same server with debian, and by using apt? |
| 10:27.48 | lummox | maybe dpkg needs util-linux :D |
| 10:27.50 | jelly-home | cirno9: use packages.debian.org |
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| 10:28.17 | cirno9 | i believe it does, i've been trying that, but i didn't know about the command dpkg -i |
| 10:28.31 | cirno9 | is that the same as apt-get install? |
| 10:28.36 | jelly-home | no. |
| 10:28.39 | cirno9 | okay |
| 10:28.42 | cirno9 | so |
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| 10:29.01 | cirno9 | dpkg -i util-linux? |
| 10:29.01 | dpkg | installs util-linux into cirno9's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 10:29.02 | niere | ranza_: i think you have to build one of the packages yourself |
| 10:29.15 | jelly-home | cirno9: no, download the package manually and install it with dpkg -i |
| 10:29.29 | ranza_ | niere: yeah im a afraid i have to do that |
| 10:29.57 | ranza_ | what if i get a deb package, could i install that seperate insted of building from scratch ? |
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| 10:30.10 | cirno9 | okay uh, i've never used this command |
| 10:30.11 | niere | ranza_: they conflict with each other, since they share alot of same-named files - so you'd have to change that in the built package |
| 10:30.13 | jelly-home | cirno9: dpkg -i foo_1.0-1_i386.deb (package filename) |
| 10:30.17 | cirno9 | okay |
| 10:30.26 | cirno9 | where shuold i download this file |
| 10:30.31 | cirno9 | like |
| 10:30.44 | cirno9 | dpkg -i ~/dfksdjklfjhsdf.deb? |
| 10:30.45 | dpkg | removes a liver from cirno9 and replaces it with ~/dfksdjklfjhsdf.deb |
| 10:30.55 | niere | ranza_: i think you cannot install it (in the sense that your package manager knows about it), but you can extract and use it (somehow), i guess |
| 10:30.57 | cirno9 | okay that answers my question :) |
| 10:31.08 | jelly-home | cirno9, it doesn't matter |
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| 10:32.02 | ranza_ | niere: what i was thinking was to have to seperate base dirs |
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| 10:32.48 | ranza_ | but it might make more sense to just build it my self |
| 10:32.57 | eddyb | dpkg --killyourself |
| 10:32.57 | dpkg | no idea, eddyb |
| 10:32.58 | niere | ranza_: that would be the most convenient way. |
| 10:33.06 | jelly-home | ranza_: you can't use debian's own packages for mysql-server 4 and 5 at the same time if that's what you're asking |
| 10:33.32 | ranza_ | jelly-home: okay :) |
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| 10:34.31 | Shadur | isn't sure why you'd want to - I think mysql fixed the last few backwards compatibility bugs between 4 and 5 a while ago. |
| 10:35.02 | jelly-home | in fact I'm not sure there is a v4 in debian any more |
| 10:35.12 | jelly-home | judd: versions mysql-server-4.1 |
| 10:35.14 | judd | jelly-home: mysql-server-4.1 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch6 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch8 |
| 10:35.25 | lummox | cirno9, have you installed it now? |
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| 10:36.33 | cirno9 | hold on, doing it now, went out for a smoke xD |
| 10:38.39 | cirno9 | i386 for an amd athlon yes? |
| 10:38.50 | cirno9 | (i'm drunk, i need to be sure) |
| 10:39.10 | eddyb | yeah |
| 10:39.38 | lummox | dpkg --print-architecture can tell you |
| 10:39.38 | dpkg | lummox: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 10:39.49 | eddyb | if the installed system is i386, not amd64(64 bits architecture) |
| 10:40.09 | cirno9 | okay, thank you |
| 10:40.12 | ranza_ | we have an old site running 4 but some of our queries fail on 5, thats why :) the slow transaction from 4 to 5 is taking some time |
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| 10:40.31 | shital | Hello all |
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| 10:41.14 | cirno9 | yes it's i386 :) |
| 10:41.19 | shital | i have a local .iso image stored, now i want to add it into synaptic PM, as repo, how can i do any one plz help me |
| 10:42.43 | petemc | shital: /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 10:44.44 | lummox | cirno9, does your linux work now? |
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| 10:49.07 | cirno9 | okay |
| 10:49.12 | cirno9 | this is what happened |
| 10:49.13 | cirno9 | (Reading database ... 135492 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 10:49.13 | cirno9 | Unpacking util-linux (from /home/loki/util-linux.deb) ... |
| 10:49.13 | cirno9 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of util-linux: |
| 10:49.13 | cirno9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.13 | cirno9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:49.14 | dpkg | cirno9: I give up, what is it? |
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| 10:49.47 | cirno9 | back.. |
| 10:49.52 | cirno9 | *sigh* |
| 10:49.57 | cirno9 | did you guys get that? |
| 10:50.36 | petemc | dont paste in the channel |
| 10:50.42 | cirno9 | i'm in depencency hell right? |
| 10:50.42 | eddyb | "use the paster bot"<< who's the paster bot? |
| 10:50.52 | cirno9 | << wh's the paster bot? |
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| 10:51.09 | eddyb | cirno9: ? |
| 10:51.24 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.39 | homecable | Linux joey 2.6.28.3joey |
| 10:51.49 | cirno9 | << who's the paster bot? |
| 10:51.57 | avu | !paste |
| 10:51.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 10:52.30 | eddyb | cirno9: why are you keeping saying that? |
| 10:52.47 | eddyb | !paster bot |
| 10:52.47 | dpkg | Please don't paste in the channel. Visit http://paste.debian.net/paste or http://rafb.net/paste to upload your information and then give us the URL. Ask me about <pastebin> for other alternatives. |
| 10:52.56 | cirno9 | okay |
| 10:53.09 | eddyb | !pastebin |
| 10:53.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 10:53.48 | eddyb | i still don't understand: who's that "paster bot" ? |
| 10:53.58 | cirno9 | wow |
| 10:54.07 | cirno9 | i think i may have fixed it =O |
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| 10:54.12 | cirno9 | so simple |
| 10:54.17 | cirno9 | (if it works) |
| 10:54.33 | cirno9 | aptitude install util-linux |
| 10:54.38 | cirno9 | rather than apt-get |
| 10:54.54 | cirno9 | so far no errors |
| 10:55.01 | eddyb | hehe :D |
| 10:56.08 | cirno9 | that was too simple |
| 10:56.08 | cirno9 | xD |
| 10:56.24 | master_of_master | hi, from where can I get the build log and ./configure options of a certain debian package? |
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| 10:57.32 | lummox | but I thought aptitude doesnt work? |
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| 10:58.22 | cirno9 | shh |
| 10:58.26 | cirno9 | LOL |
| 10:58.36 | cirno9 | i hope it will |
| 10:58.44 | cirno9 | atleast on this occasion |
| 10:58.57 | cirno9 | also |
| 10:58.58 | cirno9 | is |
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| 10:59.08 | cirno9 | lenny safe to upgrade to yet? |
| 10:59.16 | lummox | why you hope it will? shouldnt you already know if it works? |
| 10:59.21 | cirno9 | because i think this is how this problem started |
| 10:59.23 | lummox | I use lenny and have no problems |
| 10:59.25 | eddyb | duh, found 3.0 dvd |
| 10:59.28 | cirno9 | no, it's still doing its job |
| 10:59.33 | cirno9 | i dno't yet |
| 10:59.57 | cirno9 | has a ton of dependencies to work through |
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| 11:00.11 | homecable | joey@joey:/etc$ cat debian_version |
| 11:00.11 | homecable | 5.0 |
| 11:00.19 | homecable | :P |
| 11:00.47 | lummox | here it says 5.1 |
| 11:00.51 | maligor | wasn't there a list of open bugs in lenny somewhere |
| 11:01.01 | lummox | kidding :> |
| 11:01.06 | cirno9 | that's what i though too |
| 11:01.32 | cirno9 | i thought it wasn't safe to upgrade quite yet unless you're working on the bugs? |
| 11:01.32 | maligor | release critical that is |
| 11:01.35 | cirno9 | also |
| 11:01.38 | ktwilight[m] | maligor, it's somewhere on their site |
| 11:01.43 | cirno9 | where do I report these bugs? |
| 11:01.44 | maligor | lenny should be fine |
| 11:01.48 | cirno9 | i've been having some with kopete |
| 11:01.53 | lummox | I had to update because I needed a more recent kernel |
| 11:02.06 | cirno9 | it freezes when i talk to ONE contact |
| 11:02.08 | homecable | uname -r |
| 11:02.09 | ktwilight[m] | maligor, http://debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 11:02.21 | cirno9 | i think its because i gave him a picture |
| 11:02.22 | lummox | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 11:02.30 | ktwilight[m] | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html to be precise |
| 11:02.33 | cirno9 | as his display picture instead of his owmn |
| 11:02.34 | homecable | Linux joey 2.6.28.3joey #1 Wed Feb 4 21:19:19 CST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:02.35 | cirno9 | own* |
| 11:03.03 | maligor | libxml2 huh |
| 11:03.04 | homecable | lummox kernels are easy to do |
| 11:03.29 | maligor | oh.. wrong page :P |
| 11:03.40 | lummox | homecable, if you dont know whta parts of the kernel you need and what not, it isnt easy :> |
| 11:03.42 | homecable | i just wanted -pax-grsec |
| 11:03.48 | cirno9 | just a question |
| 11:04.05 | cirno9 | when aptitude asks for my geographic location, is it america or the pacific? |
| 11:04.10 | cirno9 | (i'm canada) |
| 11:04.47 | maligor | america I imagine :P |
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| 11:04.53 | cirno9 | okay cool |
| 11:04.56 | maligor | it's the name of the continent |
| 11:04.57 | cirno9 | it's just confusing |
| 11:04.58 | cirno9 | sinve |
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| 11:05.02 | cirno9 | since* |
| 11:05.07 | cirno9 | i'm in the pacific timezone |
| 11:05.07 | cirno9 | :P |
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| 11:06.19 | homecable | i wish i had a faster box |
| 11:06.27 | cirno9 | me too |
| 11:06.34 | anewbie | ok duudes i make the rbash thing but i wondering if one of the users try to install something eggdrop for exemple where he will make the installation |
| 11:06.35 | anewbie | ? |
| 11:06.36 | cirno9 | mine is so slow |
| 11:06.37 | cirno9 | lol |
| 11:06.38 | homecable | my server is only 800mhz |
| 11:06.41 | maligor | my box travels at 20km/s |
| 11:06.58 | cirno9 | i've been runnning it 24/7 for 8 years |
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| 11:07.30 | cirno9 | 2001 |
| 11:07.30 | maligor | homecable, heh, the most serverlike device I have is 500mhz arm |
| 11:07.53 | cirno9 | it's been happily runnning debian for 5 years |
| 11:08.01 | cirno9 | till the other day xD |
| 11:08.27 | homecable | :P |
| 11:08.55 | homecable | i need to find me a box with about 3ghz 1066mhz fsb 4 gigs of ram |
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| 11:09.23 | cirno9 | i have all the parts for a duo core e8400 system |
| 11:09.31 | cirno9 | except the motherboard |
| 11:09.49 | cirno9 | fell on it O_O |
| 11:09.59 | maligor | throw them away and buy a phenom ii |
| 11:10.01 | cirno9 | but i have enough for a replacement. |
| 11:10.03 | cirno9 | lol |
| 11:10.09 | achilles | Please help help, my DNS server has a problem and don't know what to do, it's suddenly stops responding and after while it come back and then stops and then backs.. nothing at the log and don't know how to trouble shoot |
| 11:10.15 | cirno9 | getting the new motherboard next week |
| 11:10.15 | cirno9 | : |
| 11:10.17 | cirno9 | :) |
| 11:10.35 | cirno9 | uhhh |
| 11:10.38 | cirno9 | what does this mean? |
| 11:10.44 | maligor | achilles, you mean bind? |
| 11:10.48 | cirno9 | Reading task descriptions... Done |
| 11:10.48 | cirno9 | Current status: 0 broken [-1]. |
| 11:10.50 | cirno9 | >< |
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| 11:10.59 | achilles | maligor, yes exactly bind |
| 11:11.15 | maligor | achilles, checked that the server has free mem? |
| 11:11.26 | maligor | also it might be useful to see if the network interface responds when it does that |
| 11:11.34 | cirno9 | that can't be good right? |
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| 11:11.50 | maligor | if it swaps bind out of system ram, it'll become really slow for one |
| 11:11.56 | achilles | maligor, Mem: 240 194 46 0 28 88 |
| 11:11.59 | achilles | oh sorry |
| 11:12.09 | trance3 | hi all i installed debian r5 and want to add backports to source.list does that go in conflict with lenny main? |
| 11:12.22 | maligor | achilles, well, that should be plenty |
| 11:12.24 | trance3 | can i just add contrib non-free to lenny main? |
| 11:12.24 | achilles | it has 47mb free out of 256 total |
| 11:12.25 | cirno9 | here was a test run of apt-get |
| 11:12.27 | cirno9 | Reading task descriptions... Done |
| 11:12.27 | cirno9 | Current status: 0 broken [-1]. |
| 11:12.30 | cirno9 | woops |
| 11:12.35 | cirno9 | loki@yggdrasil:~$ |
| 11:12.35 | cirno9 | loki@yggdrasil:~$ sudo apt-get intstall pidgin |
| 11:12.35 | cirno9 | [sudo] password for loki: |
| 11:12.35 | cirno9 | E: Invalid operation intstall |
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| 11:13.00 | shital | i am Getting this error "dpkg-scanpackages: error: Binary dir /dev/null not found" whats the problem?? |
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| 11:13.09 | cirno9 | I keep forgetting about that |
| 11:13.09 | cirno9 | xD |
| 11:13.23 | eddyb | please, don't do that anymore (or use 2 accounts at the same time for backup) |
| 11:13.56 | cirno9 | is there a website i could post this stuff on? |
| 11:14.04 | trance3 | pastebin |
| 11:14.05 | cirno9 | like a place to post code? |
| 11:14.05 | eddyb | slexy.org |
| 11:14.09 | cirno9 | thanks |
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| 11:14.28 | trance3 | may etch and lenny coexist in the same sources.list? |
| 11:14.30 | cirno9 | but anyways |
| 11:14.32 | cirno9 | is it just me |
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| 11:14.44 | cirno9 | or is that worse than before? |
| 11:15.04 | eddyb | installing.... |
| 11:15.15 | trance3 | hmmm |
| 11:15.18 | trance3 | am i readable? |
| 11:15.22 | eddyb | it's a bit slow, but i think i'll make it work |
| 11:15.27 | eddyb | yeah, you are |
| 11:15.36 | trance3 | ok tnx |
| 11:15.49 | achilles | maligor, 46mb of 246mb total, is that ok ? |
| 11:15.50 | eddyb | does it says you can't send to the channel :P ? |
| 11:15.58 | maligor | trance3, mixing them is probably not a good idea |
| 11:16.18 | maligor | achilles, sure |
| 11:16.29 | trance3 | maligor: ok so what's the best choice to have recent stuff but still stable? |
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| 11:16.41 | trance3 | and also non-free packages |
| 11:16.45 | achilles | maligor, ah .. how can I know what's going on ? |
| 11:16.45 | cirno9 | hew guys |
| 11:16.47 | cirno9 | it's fixed |
| 11:16.48 | cirno9 | :D |
| 11:16.51 | cirno9 | yes!!! |
| 11:16.58 | trance3 | adding just non-free and contrib to lenny main is enough? |
| 11:17.08 | maligor | achilles, do other services respond when it happens? |
| 11:17.17 | cirno9 | thanks for your help guys :) |
| 11:17.21 | achilles | maligor, yes ssh, web everything is ok |
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| 11:17.46 | maligor | strange |
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| 11:19.16 | maligor | achilles, it's running etch I guess? |
| 11:19.26 | achilles | maligor, yes |
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| 11:20.11 | MikaelLindmark | Hi! I have a Debian 4.0 server. I can't find how to config vim to NOT auto indent text (anoying when I copy and paste) |
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| 11:20.43 | petemc | set noai |
| 11:20.44 | MikaelLindmark | Just point me i the right direction.' |
| 11:20.59 | cirno9 | MikaelLindmark: Drink Sake ^__^ |
| 11:21.03 | MikaelLindmark | petemc:where? |
| 11:21.04 | maligor | jeez, the bind bug tracker has a single 'wishlist' bug |
| 11:21.09 | AcTiVaTe | .vimrc |
| 11:21.23 | achilles | maligor, it's noticed that it's slower than before in the response time |
| 11:21.26 | petemc | MikaelLindmark: in vimrc or esc :set noai within vim for temporary use |
| 11:21.47 | maligor | achilles, yeah, dunno really about the mysteries of bind |
| 11:21.50 | MikaelLindmark | Can I do this for all accounts? |
| 11:22.02 | MikaelLindmark | yes i can. |
| 11:22.12 | achilles | maligor, thank you very much |
| 11:22.14 | MikaelLindmark | found /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 11:22.23 | MikaelLindmark | Thanks! |
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| 11:23.35 | cirno9 | /etc/booze/sake/drink |
| 11:23.36 | cirno9 | yes? |
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| 11:25.00 | shital | I am getting this error, can any help me please ?dpkg-scanpackages: error: Binary dir /dev/null not found |
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| 11:26.14 | petemc | shital: ls -la /dev/null |
| 11:26.55 | shital | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2008-10-30 04:24 /dev/null |
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| 11:27.29 | petemc | looks ok |
| 11:27.42 | petemc | shital: did you leave out the . |
| 11:27.54 | petemc | to indicate the pwd |
| 11:28.08 | petemc | dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null |
| 11:28.36 | shital | yess thats rt, i left . their |
| 11:29.32 | shital | petemc: even now also its same error |
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| 11:30.17 | shital | dpkg-scanpackages: error: Binary dir ./dev/null not found |
| 11:31.12 | petemc | shital: looks like you didnt leave out a space |
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| 11:31.19 | petemc | dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null |
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| 11:32.04 | eddyb | shit |
| 11:32.10 | eddyb | have to reinstall it |
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| 11:32.13 | shital | i left the space there |
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| 11:38.50 | amitz | is there any command line based way to test regex? or a very small program perhaps in lenny? |
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| 11:42.30 | Neaai | Hello. I was thinking, is there a way to introduce a system to act like a bridge sort (name it C) between say, network points A---B (directly connected to eac other) as in A---C---B, in order to shape traffic passing from A to B? The shaping would be destination-ip defined, destinations which lie beyond B. Does what I'm saying make sense? |
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| 11:43.11 | PointyPumper | yes |
| 11:43.29 | PointyPumper | ebtables - bridge modules (i think that they are builded by default in debian) |
| 11:43.32 | PointyPumper | and iptables |
| 11:43.41 | PointyPumper | (and of course bridge-tools_ |
| 11:43.42 | PointyPumper | ) |
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| 11:45.36 | Neaai | PointyPumper: That's good to know. So I'll need to closely check ebtables and bridge-tools, appart from iptables which I currently use. To what I know, the "tc" utility is used to shape traffic in a normal system, but I'm not so sure whether it aplies to a bridge-like box like the one I'm describing. |
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| 11:45.50 | PointyPumper | yep |
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| 11:46.11 | PointyPumper | u just have to "drop" packets (drop was the target i tink) in the forward chain of filter table of ebtables |
| 11:46.20 | PointyPumper | and the packet goes to iptables |
| 11:46.25 | PointyPumper | there u can do whatever u want |
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| 11:46.33 | PointyPumper | (mark it, use tc, etc) |
| 11:46.58 | PointyPumper | even on ebtables u can mark packets and do some basic packet filtering/etc |
| 11:47.20 | zimnyx | Do you know any PEM certificate viewer? Running openssl * commands is exhausting just for viewing cert. |
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| 11:47.59 | PointyPumper | i'm having a problem with gdm+X, (running sid) when i use xdm to manage my x, i can connect to the X server without problems, but when i run it with gdm i cant connect to it (error: AUDIT: Thu Feb 5 09:27:44 2009: 20915 X: client 4 rejected from local host (uid 1000)) |
| 11:48.09 | PointyPumper | any idea on how to solve this |
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| 11:48.27 | Neaai | PointyPumper: I see. The ideal would be that the already comunicating A and B won't need reconfiguration and/or awareness that this C box is now between them. |
| 11:48.29 | PointyPumper | i think that it has something to do with the auth and magic cookie of X, but i cant seem to find how to solve it |
| 11:48.37 | PointyPumper | nono |
| 11:48.40 | PointyPumper | u wont have to touch a/b |
| 11:48.44 | PointyPumper | as its bridging |
| 11:48.48 | PointyPumper | its semi-transparent |
| 11:49.05 | Neaai | PointyPumper: perfect! You have given me a lot of good hopes. :) |
| 11:49.18 | PointyPumper | look for transparent firewall |
| 11:49.30 | PointyPumper | it uses exactly what u need |
| 11:50.00 | Neaai | PointyPumper: Thanks a lot for the advice and hints. I'll go read and search about this right away. |
| 11:50.18 | PointyPumper | luck with that |
| 11:50.24 | PointyPumper | now i have to firnd the solution to my thing xD |
| 11:51.26 | Neaai | PointyPumper: hehe. I'm luckier than you in this regard. xD |
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| 11:52.34 | inSanity_ | hi people |
| 11:52.48 | inSanity_ | does anybody know how I can turn off the system beep? |
| 11:53.02 | inSanity_ | it's very loud and it cannot be adjusted by any volume mixer |
| 11:53.19 | Neaai | inSanity_: no bios option for that ? |
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| 11:54.24 | inSanity_ | Neaai, I guess it's software related, I used to use ubuntu first which didnt had the problem |
| 11:54.40 | inSanity_ | infernix, you too? :) |
| 11:55.07 | petemc | inSanity_: /msg dpkg bell |
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| 11:55.52 | Neaai | inSanity_: And this can be useful to you as well: http://www.arsgeek.com/2006/08/23/how-to-turn-off-the-annoying-system-beep-in-linux-debianubuntu/ |
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| 12:00.10 | inSanity_ | Neaai: have added it to the blacklist already |
| 12:00.18 | inSanity_ | Neaai, it just dont stop |
| 12:01.26 | PointyPumper | dang, i'm hating this |
| 12:03.25 | eddyb | c'mon, don't break again :( |
| 12:03.52 | eddyb | how can i install xfce? aptitude -i xfce ? |
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| 12:05.31 | Neaai | eddyb: I see there's a meta-package, xfce4. You'd probably do: aptitude install xfce4 |
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| 12:06.02 | eddyb | ok |
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| 12:06.40 | eddyb | dpkg: info xfce4 |
| 12:07.14 | dpkg | xfce4: (Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.4.2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 12:07.20 | eddyb | dpkg: info xfce |
| 12:09.28 | eddyb | yeah, base config failed, is better to run it again now, after correcting an package error, or to install manually stuff? |
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| 12:11.33 | eddyb | manual install is better |
| 12:11.44 | eddyb | as i can't find base-config :| |
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| 12:12.57 | PointyPumper | shaat, cant find anything bout it :( |
| 12:14.21 | eddyb | hope debian on hd with xfce will befaster than liveCDs with some idiot desktop managers :) |
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| 12:14.57 | petemc | base-config was removed |
| 12:15.12 | eddyb | oh |
| 12:15.44 | rub1x | hi all |
| 12:15.58 | eddyb | hi |
| 12:16.08 | eddyb | how can we help you? :P |
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| 12:19.23 | eddyb | aptitude is better coz it has graphical interface :P |
| 12:19.57 | maligor | cursed be thy interface |
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| 12:22.00 | eddyb | apt-get broke X |
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| 12:25.49 | vetall | anybody with a dell laptop here? i wonder how Lenny is behaving there? |
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| 12:26.13 | vetall | mine is dell latitude d630 |
| 12:26.40 | cahoot | already looked at tuxmobil.org? |
| 12:27.19 | prxtien | does anyone know where i can get ipt_iprange for iptables |
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| 12:31.26 | mavez | hey anyone delt with cpufreq-scaling? trying to set the min and max speeds tried setting them in /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils but it didnt change it |
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| 12:31.52 | Zharf | can I somehow run iceweasel in :0.0 and :0.1 at the same time? |
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| 12:32.08 | mavez | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling-min|max-freq still reports the old frequencies |
| 12:32.28 | alcohol | mavez: rebewt? |
| 12:32.37 | mavez | tried |
| 12:32.43 | alcohol | ): |
| 12:32.48 | mavez | yeah :( |
| 12:32.59 | alcohol | we tried |
| 12:32.59 | alcohol | (: |
| 12:33.03 | mavez | hehe |
| 12:33.10 | cahoot | mavez: and cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ? |
| 12:35.02 | mavez | ondemand |
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| 12:37.02 | cirno9 | he guys |
| 12:37.04 | cirno9 | hey* |
| 12:37.18 | cirno9 | this isn't really a tech support questions |
| 12:37.28 | cirno9 | butdoes anyone know f a good program of like |
| 12:37.34 | cirno9 | audio chat? |
| 12:37.40 | alcohol | skype? |
| 12:37.50 | cirno9 | skype didn't work for me :| |
| 12:37.55 | alcohol | why? |
| 12:38.05 | cirno9 | failed during install |
| 12:38.06 | cirno9 | but |
| 12:38.10 | cirno9 | what's the |
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| 12:38.14 | cirno9 | package name? |
| 12:38.22 | alcohol | google knows |
| 12:38.27 | cirno9 | lol okay |
| 12:38.32 | cirno9 | :P |
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| 12:38.32 | alcohol | "debian skype" |
| 12:38.37 | alcohol | can't be that hard |
| 12:38.43 | mavez | window 2 |
| 12:38.47 | mavez | bawlz |
| 12:38.49 | alcohol | mavez: fail |
| 12:38.53 | mavez | epic |
| 12:39.00 | sevele | è¿éè¿ä¹æ´»è· |
| 12:39.24 | hughszg | åµåµï¼è±è¯é¢éä¹ï¼ |
| 12:39.45 | sevele | hughszg, 大éç |
| 12:40.02 | hughszg | yes |
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| 12:40.08 | damiano | hello everybody |
| 12:40.14 | damiano | how to solve this problem: http://rafb.net/p/cL8uxb97.html |
| 12:40.37 | sevele | hughszg, åªææ们两个ç¨ä¸æ |
| 12:41.13 | sevele | hughszg, è¿æ¯debiançå®æ¹IRCå |
| 12:41.20 | hughszg | sevele, yes, it is |
| 12:41.41 | sevele | but what about oftc |
| 12:41.44 | hughszg | you can chat in chinese in #ubuntu-cn, |
| 12:41.52 | hughszg | oftc? |
| 12:42.03 | sevele | I can speak English |
| 12:42.27 | hughszg | oh' |
| 12:42.45 | damiano | ? |
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| 12:43.25 | ghostknife | My /boot partition ran out of space while installing a bunch of packages, so dpkg failed. How can I tell it to continue with whatever it was busy with? |
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| 12:43.51 | fireba11 | how the hell did /boot run out of space? |
| 12:44.10 | ghostknife | fireba11: many kernels. Haven't cleaned up old ones in a while |
| 12:44.19 | fireba11 | seems so, yes :-) |
| 12:44.22 | ghostknife | but nm, dpkg --configure --pending works |
| 12:44.31 | ghostknife | new kernel seems to be installed now |
| 12:44.45 | sevele | hughszg, thank you for your reminding |
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| 12:45.37 | sevele | hughszg, oftc has a debian channel |
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| 12:46.43 | sevele | hughszg, your QQ |
| 12:47.11 | hughszg | 709579965 |
| 12:47.18 | hughszg | hugh->æäºæ |
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| 12:47.34 | sevele | why kill you? |
| 12:47.51 | hughszg | just my QQ display name :) |
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| 12:48.32 | sevele | hughszg, we can make friends in QQ |
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| 12:49.48 | sevele | hughszg, what's your answer of QQ question? |
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| 12:51.46 | sevele | hughszg, æä¸è½å ä½ å |
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| 12:55.45 | Zharf | so, any ideas on how to run iceweasel on two X displays? |
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| 12:59.04 | mramish | Ive got a few questions about installing lenny rc2 |
| 12:59.37 | themill | just ask |
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| 13:00.02 | mramish | When i first boot the system after install my screen says that the resolution is too high and it shuts down |
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| 13:00.23 | ktwilight[m] | i need to reinstall a package, and aptitude reinstall or apt-get install --reinstall doesn't quite do the job properly because hte files installed is not the same as dpkg -L <pkgname>, what's the alternative in reinstalling a package? |
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| 13:01.06 | ivan_ | hi all |
| 13:02.10 | mramish | How can i fix that? |
| 13:02.40 | ivan_ | i has convert ext3 to ext4, how do I read ext4 under windows? |
| 13:02.54 | _awe__ | ivan_: you don't |
| 13:03.18 | ivan_ | _awe__: thank, :( |
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| 13:08.54 | mramish | No ideas about my resolution problems? |
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| 13:10.42 | eddyb | what's the autoconfigure X command in debian? |
| 13:10.49 | prxtien | is there a replacement for iptables -m range in kernel 2.6.26, the module ipt_range no longer exists |
| 13:10.59 | prxtien | er ipt_iprange |
| 13:11.07 | eddyb | please, do you know? |
| 13:11.24 | liable | mramish: xorg has progressed to a stage where it generally doesnt need to know resolution from the config and can autodetect it. occasionaly it fails, and causes x to baulk. this happened to me with my cheap ass monitor i plugged in one day. you can try doing 'X --configure' to write a config that hopefully works |
| 13:11.51 | liable | !drxx |
| 13:11.51 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 13:12.01 | liable | mramish: eddyb ^^ |
| 13:12.11 | liable | see the X -configure |
| 13:12.14 | eddyb | liable: thanks |
| 13:13.32 | liable | np |
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| 13:14.57 | mramish | well ill hope i can fix that |
| 13:15.10 | liable | of course you can |
| 13:16.01 | mramish | With your help i might have a chance^^ |
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| 13:16.43 | eddyb | i have woody, the package is x11 prefixed |
| 13:17.01 | eddyb | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x11 for me? |
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| 13:21.26 | liable | eddyb: woody? as in 3.0? |
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| 13:23.08 | eddyb | i use 3.0 |
| 13:23.12 | eddyb | with qemu |
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| 13:25.22 | damiano | is lenny stable now? |
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| 13:26.05 | enouf | no |
| 13:26.35 | eddyb | made it start |
| 13:26.39 | eddyb | thanks |
| 13:26.40 | eddyb | :D |
| 13:26.54 | enouf | heh |
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| 13:29.02 | eddyb | now i should make xfce a little ugly, for speed :P |
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| 13:30.31 | Stanlin | what is the net install for intel quad core?? |
| 13:30.43 | liable | amd64 |
| 13:31.10 | enouf | Stanlin: what what is what? |
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| 13:31.26 | spx2_ | -lpthreads: linker input file unused because linking not done <--- wtf is wrong ? |
| 13:31.52 | ktwilight[m] | i need to reinstall a package, and aptitude reinstall or apt-get install --reinstall doesn't quite do the job properly because hte files installed is not the same as dpkg -L <pkgname>, what's the alternative in reinstalling a package? |
| 13:32.17 | Stanlin | liable: is does not boot, is stays , in CANT access tty job control turned off |
| 13:32.19 | eddyb | not neccesary, only if it wants 64 bit debian, but ia32/i386 should work natevely |
| 13:32.23 | liable | ktwilight[m]: you deleted some files? |
| 13:32.41 | ktwilight[m] | liable, yup :( |
| 13:32.46 | themill | ktwilight[m]: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 13:32.50 | ktwilight[m] | liable, only _after_ apt-get remove |
| 13:33.11 | ktwilight[m] | aha that's it themill. thanks!! |
| 13:33.15 | ktwilight[m] | wonder why i couldn't find it :/ |
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| 13:33.40 | enouf | my little sparklin' ktwilight[m] - how the heck are ya? |
| 13:33.44 | ktwilight[m] | enouf, terrible |
| 13:33.50 | enouf | urgh |
| 13:33.52 | liable | get a room |
| 13:33.57 | liable | runs |
| 13:34.02 | enouf | rents a room from lipsin |
| 13:34.08 | enouf | hehe .. oops |
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| 13:34.10 | themill | !room |
| 13:34.10 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 13:34.14 | themill | :P |
| 13:34.21 | ktwilight[m] | haha |
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| 13:35.19 | cpach | hi all! does anyone know which packages are responsible for creating the files in /etc/pam.d/ ? (ie. the file "common-auth") |
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| 13:35.37 | cpach | s/ie/eg/ |
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| 13:36.07 | themill | cpach: apt-file is your friend |
| 13:36.19 | liable | looking at that, does anyone else ever wonder about how weird some words are? i just had a moment where 'room' just seemed like a weird word |
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| 13:36.40 | liable | fridge is another of my favourite weird words.. |
| 13:36.43 | enouf | eww.. probably login? but dlocate failed me |
| 13:36.57 | liable | i guess i should go to bed |
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| 13:37.22 | jelly | cpach: dpkg -S /etc/pam.d is another |
| 13:37.24 | ktwilight[m] | bed... |
| 13:37.26 | enouf | cpach: must be a .postinst script creation |
| 13:37.28 | ktwilight[m] | sounds kinky |
| 13:37.43 | liable | no, sounds sleepy |
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| 13:37.57 | themill | They're copied over in libpam-runtime postinst |
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| 13:39.19 | enouf | wow, running 2x rgrep common_auth /var/cache/apt/ (each in their own xterm) is making my p2 take a dump |
| 13:39.45 | themill | looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ would probably be more productive though |
| 13:40.15 | themill | (although not helpful given then way the postinst is constructed) |
| 13:40.24 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:41.26 | enouf | did i mention how much i suck? |
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| 13:42.42 | enouf | liable: weird word? how about "sliding pond" |
| 13:43.14 | nailtons_ | hi |
| 13:43.17 | liable | not sure why i even said that.. |
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| 13:43.48 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 13:43.48 | nailtons_ | protuguens aí |
| 13:43.57 | nailtons_ | portuguens aí |
| 13:44.01 | enouf | stop |
| 13:44.06 | liable | english? |
| 13:44.08 | enouf | is still drunk |
| 13:44.14 | themill | !br |
| 13:44.14 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:44.18 | nailtons_ | i am portuguens |
| 13:44.22 | liable | are you ever not drunk? |
| 13:44.23 | nailtons_ | sim br |
| 13:44.28 | [gnubie] | is there a way to ssh a remote server non-interactively without using keys? |
| 13:44.31 | ktwilight[m] | when he's asleep |
| 13:44.33 | enouf | most times ;-) |
| 13:44.43 | ktwilight[m] | [gnubie], don't use a passphrase |
| 13:44.46 | enouf | !coffee me |
| 13:44.46 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic Tanzanian for enouf, courtesy of enouf |
| 13:44.52 | ktwilight[m] | [gnubie], though using keychains is a better solution |
| 13:45.04 | nailtons_ | hehehe tanzanian |
| 13:45.12 | [gnubie] | ktwilight[m]: i don't want to use keychain |
| 13:45.21 | enouf | why not? |
| 13:45.23 | [gnubie] | ktwilight[m]: just a normal ssh |
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| 13:45.42 | eddyb | !pt |
| 13:45.42 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 13:45.42 | enouf | normal ssh requires either a or b, and you want neither |
| 13:45.49 | enouf | use ftp or telnet or nc |
| 13:45.50 | ktwilight[m] | [gnubie], then don't use passphrase |
| 13:45.52 | [gnubie] | enouf: because i don't want to apply the changes globally |
| 13:46.04 | [gnubie] | ktwilight[m]: how is that so? |
| 13:46.25 | themill | !wayttd [gnubie] |
| 13:46.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, [gnubie]? |
| 13:47.06 | [gnubie] | themill: this is the scenario: desktop ==internet==> server-a ==lan==> server-b |
| 13:47.28 | enouf | tunneling doesn't == no authentication |
| 13:47.47 | [gnubie] | themill: i want to do some basic checkup on the servers behind server-a from my desktop like ping, health status, etc.. |
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| 13:47.59 | [gnubie] | themill: i want to create a simple script on that |
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| 13:48.23 | enouf | [gnubie]: read http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/sshtips.htm |
| 13:48.38 | cpach | enouf: is it possible to see which script created the file? |
| 13:48.42 | nailtons__ | hi br's |
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| 13:48.56 | enouf | [gnubie]: notice, no global changes |
| 13:49.04 | nailtons__ | not br ??? |
| 13:49.10 | [gnubie] | enouf: i know. my question is on how can i remotely connect to the server-a non-interactively so that i can execute a script without entering the password all the time? |
| 13:49.12 | enouf | cpach: i believe themill nailed it for you |
| 13:49.18 | [gnubie] | enouf: ok, i'll check it out |
| 13:49.46 | themill | using the .ssh/config "ProxyCommand nohup ssh server-a nc -w1 server-b 22" would be the plan for me to do that. And you can use a key for server-a that is only permitted to run netcat. |
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| 13:52.04 | enouf | themill: :-P |
| 13:52.05 | enouf | ~$ rgrep -A 5 -B 5 common-auth /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam-runtime.postinst |
| 13:52.06 | enouf | # If the user has removed the config file, respect this sign of dementia |
| 13:52.21 | themill | enouf: yes, I did like that line |
| 13:52.29 | enouf | haha .. |
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| 13:53.40 | Crypticfortune | I've been trying to fix up my /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatin so that all my japanese glyphs come from the same font (stupid han unification), but no matter what i do 65-nonlatin it doesn't seem to change anything. do i have to do something (other than restarting X) to get my changes to be reflected? putting the same changes in my ~/.fonts.conf actually *does* work, but i want to fix it for all users... |
| 13:53.41 | enouf | a cow with a tail? |
| 13:53.56 | enouf | er .. a laughing cow with a tail? |
| 13:54.19 | themill | Crypticfortune: /etc/fonts/fonts.conf ? |
| 13:54.34 | enouf | Crypticfortune: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config ? |
| 13:55.17 | cpach | hm... dpkg and apt-file doesn't seem to keep track of files installed by postinst-scripts. thanks anyway! |
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| 13:55.26 | eddyb | how can i cconfigure network setting in debian? |
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| 13:55.48 | eddyb | *configure network settings |
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| 13:55.51 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 13:55.52 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 13:56.04 | Crypticfortune | enouf: tried that, didn't help... |
| 13:56.12 | enouf | oh well |
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| 13:56.18 | eddyb | !network settings |
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| 13:56.27 | eddyb | !network setting |
| 13:56.31 | eddyb | !network |
| 13:56.31 | hyperboreean | Hi guys, I have a bit of a trouble changing the default python version on etch ... can somebody give me a hint, please? |
| 13:56.32 | dpkg | This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together. |
| 13:56.38 | eddyb | !xfce4 |
| 13:56.39 | dpkg | xfce is, like, a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins. #xfce @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:56.45 | enouf | eddyb: stop |
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| 13:56.50 | eddyb | ok |
| 13:56.57 | eddyb | i'll PM it |
| 13:57.01 | enouf | right |
| 13:57.17 | Crypticfortune | themill: /etc/fonts/fonts.conf already includes conf.d, i figure changing stuff in there should be enough....maybe something other than 65-nonlatin is adding the ugly glyphs though...so confusing... |
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| 13:57.35 | enouf | eddyb: i made dpkg tell the channel about network - look at your scrollback |
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| 13:57.58 | extor | I just created a debian 4 openvz container on a centos 5.2 box. My iptables on the centos box is 1.3.5 and when I do a version on the iptbales in the openvz box I get a 1.3.6! How can this be? |
| 13:58.07 | themill | Crypticfortune: did you run one of the update-fonts-* utilities after making your changes? (I don't know how it's actually constructed) |
| 13:58.27 | enouf | Crypticfortune: hrm .. is defoma involved? |
| 13:58.50 | [gnubie] | themill: still, you will be using a key which means, i have to edit the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file which will also apply the changes globally |
| 13:58.52 | hyperboreean | So I did follow this thread: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=84898 and got the same problem as this guy :| |
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| 13:59.36 | enouf | think [gnubie] has no root privs |
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| 14:00.17 | Crypticfortune | themill: hmm those don't look at all fontconfig related. look like old legacy X11 font management stuff. i'm afraid i'll break something with that =P |
| 14:00.35 | [gnubie] | enouf: i have and this simple script that i am preparing is for an ordinary user |
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| 14:00.54 | enouf | !python 2.5 |
| 14:01.16 | themill | Crypticfortune: heh... it's rather... opaque... in places :( |
| 14:01.35 | [gnubie] | enouf: i just want to ssh to a remote server non-interactively so that the ordinary user that executes that script will not be prompted for a password |
| 14:01.44 | Crypticfortune | enouf: haven't tried defoma...looking into it |
| 14:01.46 | enouf | sends themill to the xfontsel dance hall |
| 14:02.18 | troythetechguy | valdyn: You were nice enough yesterday to describe how I can start over with postfix: remove the configuration and /msg dpkg confmiss. However, I'm not sure how remove the configuration. Where would I look for the postfix config file I want to remove? Also, can you recommend a beginner's tutorial for setting up a mail server? |
| 14:02.36 | enouf | [gnubie]: ordinary users shouldn't have those types of privs, but if they must, make them sudo |
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| 14:03.29 | hark | troythetechguy: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 14:03.38 | eddyb | apt-get is mad: couldn't find package svn |
| 14:03.50 | troythetechguy | hark: It's that easy, wow! Thank you. |
| 14:03.52 | hark | eddyb: subversion |
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| 14:03.57 | ^cicciuzzo^ | Un Saluto a tutti « #debian » [Þrison-ßreak][§cript] |
| 14:03.59 | eddyb | is stupid |
| 14:04.03 | ^cicciuzzo^ | ÇÏÅØøØø |
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| 14:04.08 | eddyb | !pt |
| 14:04.08 | ^cicciuzzo^ | list |
| 14:04.08 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 14:04.13 | eddyb | !br |
| 14:04.13 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:04.26 | [gnubie] | enouf: i am the root and i am creating a simple script for ordinary user(s) to execute this script that will be able to connect to the remote server but they (users) will not be prompted for the password and that's is why i am asking for a possible way to connect through ssh non-interactively |
| 14:04.26 | eddyb | !it |
| 14:04.27 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:04.39 | Crypticfortune | enouf: defoma-reconfigure looks like it may have done good things! will try restarting X |
| 14:04.58 | enouf | heh - never heard of that one Crypticfortune |
| 14:04.59 | [gnubie] | enouf: and because, i don't the users to know the password of the remote server |
| 14:05.08 | [gnubie] | i don't want |
| 14:05.09 | enouf | [gnubie]: /msg dpkg sudoers |
| 14:05.18 | enouf | i guess |
| 14:05.25 | enouf | has to run .. bbl |
| 14:05.29 | eddyb | any way i can get midori or some web browser? |
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| 14:05.55 | [gnubie] | enouf: i know sudo.. i want to run a script that will automatically connect the user to the remote server without prompting him/her the password |
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| 14:06.33 | troythetechguy | This is not good: dpkg-reconfigure postfix stats "postfix is not installed". |
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| 14:06.52 | enouf | [gnubie]: see 'expect' ? no idea - but .. gotta go |
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| 14:07.07 | [gnubie] | enouf: i know by using a key will be easier to accomplish this but i don't want it to apply globally so it's not an option |
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| 14:07.27 | Crypticfortune | nope, sadly defoma-reconfigure didn't help =( |
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| 14:07.39 | Crypticfortune | [gnubie]: what do you mean "apply globally?" |
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| 14:08.22 | Crypticfortune | [gnubie]: you could use host based authentication also (but that's going more global in the usual meaning of the word "global") |
| 14:08.58 | troythetechguy | Nevermind, I must have fat fingered the command. |
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| 14:09.49 | [gnubie] | Crypticfortune: if you change the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file, whatever changes you made after you restart the ssh service, it will be applied globally |
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| 14:10.54 | Crypticfortune | [gnubie]: and you currently don't permit keys at all and don't want to? i can't imagine why....but then yes, i guess expect + passwords would be the obvious alternative... |
| 14:12.01 | [gnubie] | Crypticfortune: i don't want to implement keys because i don't want to touch the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and because i don't want to implement it gloablly |
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| 14:12.05 | frido | btw, has anybody working monitoring of dell perc4 (e/dc) raid controller with OMSA ? |
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| 14:13.48 | alsd | hi there |
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| 14:15.29 | Crypticfortune | ahhh finally. got my fonts to work nicely. apparently something prior to 65-nonlatin was clobbering japanese glyphs. there should be a law against putting nonlatin glyph containing fonts in anything prior to 65-nonlatin *grumblegrumble* |
| 14:15.54 | jelly | frido: is running that "dellmgr" thing good enough? |
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| 14:17.31 | eddyb | how can i make x start automaticaly? |
| 14:17.39 | eddyb | i mean at system startup |
| 14:17.48 | Crypticfortune | eddyb: have gdm installed? |
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| 14:18.00 | eddyb | gdm? |
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| 14:18.18 | Crypticfortune | eddyb: aptitude install gdm |
| 14:18.29 | rvsjoen | xdm/gdm/kdm, they all do the job |
| 14:18.41 | Crypticfortune | (or kdm if you're a kde kind of person...) |
| 14:18.42 | eddyb | shit |
| 14:19.04 | Crypticfortune | (or xdm if you like .... i dunno... i can't think of any good reason to use xdm... =P |
| 14:19.05 | saivin | what desktop environment are u using? gnome, kde, xfce or some other? |
| 14:19.14 | eddyb | i modified net interfaces file, now surely i can't access internet |
| 14:19.17 | eddyb | xfce |
| 14:19.40 | rvsjoen | you might not want to pull all the gnome/kde libs if you are using another wm |
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| 14:20.14 | saivin | is it that when u boot up it lands u in a shell? in that case you may want to edit /etc/inittab |
| 14:20.35 | eddyb | yeah |
| 14:20.46 | eddyb | but i want it autologin and startx |
| 14:20.50 | Crypticfortune | rvsjoen: i suppose that's a fair reason |
| 14:21.23 | Crypticfortune | eddyb: i know that's easy to do with gdm. i don't know about xdm or kdm though |
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| 14:21.38 | alsd | Crypticfortune: memory footprint can be a reason to use xdm, even if it's quite cryptic |
| 14:21.43 | eddyb | kde 3 and 4 have it |
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| 14:22.08 | jelly | !perc/cerc |
| 14:22.08 | dpkg | there's a rpm package for dellmgr utility in http://ftp.us.dell.com/ide/perc-cerc-apps-6.03-A06.tar.gz, easily converted with alien |
| 14:22.15 | jelly | frido: see above. |
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| 14:23.18 | frido | jelly: problem is, that i have dell's OMSA (from sara) installed, with older kernels it works, but with latests not - ernel: Program dsm_sa_datamgr3 tried to access /dev/mem between 806c000->806d000. |
| 14:23.20 | sosnix | hi |
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| 14:23.33 | sosnix | what is command for find patch where program is installed ? |
| 14:23.48 | frido | jelly: per5i controller without problems, but prc4edc not detected |
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| 14:24.04 | mramish | ok ive managed to get on my desktop using strg+alt+ - but now iam not able to change my resolution under gnome |
| 14:24.05 | ma3x | how do i tar.gz something in /var/www without entering that directory and without including /var/www, but only what's inside of it? |
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| 14:24.27 | ma3x | like if i do tar -z -c -f /var/www/something, then /var/www is also in the .tar.gz ball |
| 14:24.33 | saivin | eddyb: u want to autologin option in xfce. is that what u want? |
| 14:24.37 | ma3x | how do i tell it no to include its tree directory |
| 14:24.39 | jelly | frido: hm. dellmgr works on my custom 2.6.24.7-grsec; the machine has a ... Adapter Type : PERC 4/DC |
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| 14:24.50 | eddyb | saivin: yeah |
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| 14:25.06 | eddyb | and terminal open on startup, if possible :P |
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| 14:25.56 | sosnix | help |
| 14:25.56 | sosnix | me |
| 14:25.59 | saivin | sorry buddy, have not used xfce much. |
| 14:26.00 | sosnix | how can i found patch for example mplayer |
| 14:26.04 | frido | jelly: could you show me your's .config ? |
| 14:26.09 | jelly | sosnix: patch? |
| 14:26.34 | frido | jelly: I have as modules megaraid_mbox megaraid_mm ipmi_msghandler ipmi_watchdog,ipmi_si,ipmi_devintf |
| 14:26.49 | frido | jelly: which should be everything builded as modules what I need |
| 14:27.01 | frido | jelly: ah |
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| 14:27.05 | frido | jelly: 2.6.24.7-grsec |
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| 14:27.18 | frido | jelly: do you have tryied 2.6.25 and later ? |
| 14:27.32 | jelly | frido: http://www.ifzg.hr/config-2.6.24.7-grsec, and no. |
| 14:27.37 | frido | jelly: 2.6.25 is the border |
| 14:27.59 | eddyb | i'll use it without interfacce :( |
| 14:28.00 | sosnix | jelly: patch for bin files |
| 14:28.00 | Crypticfortune | saivin: you can set up gdm to autologin your user, and as long as your user is set to start xfce, you can setup the xfce4 sessions settings to launch your terminal or whatever on startup |
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| 14:28.16 | Crypticfortune | saivin: sorry, not savin. eddyb |
| 14:28.42 | eddyb | yeah, but... |
| 14:29.13 | sosnix | how find patch files to mplayer |
| 14:29.22 | sosnix | MPlayer Binary Path |
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| 14:30.10 | eddyb | i never heard of binary patches :S |
| 14:30.29 | sosnix | ii need to configured my clip bucket (youtube clone) |
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| 14:30.35 | sosnix | patch to MPlayer Binary Path |
| 14:31.14 | eddyb | stupidity! |
| 14:32.03 | sosnix | so do u know what is command to find patch binary from mplayer? |
| 14:33.16 | Eulex | 'to find'? |
| 14:33.26 | Thasp | on my crt I see ath5k phy1: unsupported jumbo pop up all the time |
| 14:33.35 | Thasp | it fills up the screen |
| 14:34.06 | jelly | sosnix: debian doesn't do binary patches. What are you really trying to do? |
| 14:34.08 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:34.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:34.39 | jelly | sosnix: do you need mencoder as well? |
| 14:34.46 | sosnix | i have mencoder |
| 14:34.49 | Thasp | it's the 2.6.28.2 kernel, debian etch, I expected to not have my screen fill up with ath5k phy1: unsupported jumbo |
| 14:34.49 | sosnix | and now i need |
| 14:34.55 | sosnix | patch to mencoder |
| 14:35.02 | sosnix | i show you printscreen |
| 14:35.12 | Thasp | it uses an atheros ar5005g card, so i imagine ath5k is appropriate |
| 14:35.18 | jelly | !enter |
| 14:35.19 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:35.25 | Eulex | Thasp, in the linux tty? |
| 14:36.03 | Thasp | Eulex, you know when you first turn the macine on, and you see the INIT stuff scrolling down on the main crt/lcd the computer is attached to? that screen. |
| 14:36.10 | Thasp | I don't know what it's called. |
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| 14:36.32 | Eulex | Thasp, it only appears when booting? |
| 14:37.02 | sosnix | http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaatn5.jpg |
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| 14:37.11 | Thasp | Eulex, it appears all the time afterwards. i am running irssi in that window and it keeps appearing where i type text. |
| 14:37.19 | abrotman | sosnix: where did you get your mplayer and mencoder? |
| 14:37.31 | Thasp | i have no complaints about the wireless, it appears to me to be working fine. but trhat error worries me. |
| 14:38.03 | Eulex | Thasp, is 'that window' the linux text console/tty which you switch to by for example pressing ctrl-alt-f1? |
| 14:38.04 | sosnix | apt-get install mplayer |
| 14:38.11 | abrotman | and that's the worst attempt at cleaning a screenshot .. ever |
| 14:38.13 | sosnix | and apt-get install mencoder i was write |
| 14:38.14 | Thasp | Eulex yes |
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| 14:38.28 | abrotman | sosnix: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 14:38.31 | Eulex | Thasp, take a look at /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 14:38.54 | hark | Thasp: /etc/sysctl.conf , look for kernel.printk |
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| 14:39.16 | jelly | sosnix: so, what's the problem? |
| 14:39.28 | sosnix | i dont have patch to mplayer mencoder |
| 14:39.40 | jelly | where does it ask for "patch"? |
| 14:39.44 | jelly | oh... |
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| 14:39.51 | jelly | sosnix: do you mean "path"? |
| 14:39.58 | abrotman | sosnix: you could have pasted that here or a pastebin .. no need to msg |
| 14:39.59 | Thasp | hark: thanks, i am uncommenting the line now. |
| 14:40.02 | jeefo | i need to install my web cam to use it in skype |
| 14:40.05 | hark | Thasp: after uncommenting it, do a "sysctl -p" |
| 14:40.07 | sosnix | patch to bin |
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| 14:40.17 | sosnix | jelly: http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaatn5.jpg |
| 14:40.21 | jelly | abrotman: he did paste the url here |
| 14:40.26 | jelly | sosnix: PATH |
| 14:40.29 | abrotman | debian does not have mencoder .. the binary patch against the debian binaries is likely to fail |
| 14:40.35 | hark | Thasp: how did you get ath5k working finally? |
| 14:40.36 | abrotman | jelly: uhm, no he msged it |
| 14:40.41 | Thasp | hark: when the wifi card acts up, and i do something to fix it, it shows up on that screen, "ath0 link not ready" then "ath0 link ready." will doing this stop those messages too? just curious |
| 14:40.43 | jelly | abrotman: not to me |
| 14:41.03 | Thasp | hark: it doesn't work with /etc/network/interfaces, I have to run iwlist ath0 scan to "jumpstart" it before it will work |
| 14:41.04 | jelly | abrotman: [15:37] <sosnix> http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaatn5.jpg |
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| 14:41.22 | sosnix | this is wrong msg to you jelly ? |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | jelly: not that .. he msged me what i asked for .. are you watching my IRC client? how do you know my IP?!?!?! |
| 14:41.24 | jeefo | guys i need to install my webcam, skype says no devices found |
| 14:41.30 | Thasp | hark: then I run iwconfig ath0 essid "essidhereinquotes" , then the key, the channel, and ifconfig myself an IP address manually. |
| 14:41.34 | jelly | abrotman: heh |
| 14:41.45 | sosnix | jeefo: usb ? |
| 14:41.51 | jeefo | sosnix: yes |
| 14:41.54 | Thasp | sometimes I haver to go through it twice, I think the order of the commands may not be the best. it's ghetto but it works. |
| 14:41.54 | abrotman | concentrate on your own problems |
| 14:42.10 | jelly | sosnix: just learn to write properly. It asks for "MEncoder Binary Path" |
| 14:42.11 | hark | Thasp: this is with the 2.6.26 kernel? what about madwifi? |
| 14:42.17 | Thasp | 2.6.28 |
| 14:42.32 | Thasp | i think madwifi connected just fine on its own, I don't remember |
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| 14:42.42 | sosnix | abortman: can you give me link to post code's |
| 14:42.44 | Eulex | sosnix, AHAHAHA, what are you setting up? :D (regarding those 'meta keywords') |
| 14:42.45 | jelly | sosnix: not patch. You'll be able to find the path by running "which mplayer" in a shell. |
| 14:42.51 | abrotman | sosnix: paste.debian.net |
| 14:42.52 | Thasp | i blacklisted ath_pci once i compiled ath5k in |
| 14:43.05 | abrotman | jelly: but mencoder isn't in debian |
| 14:43.11 | abrotman | sosnix: where did you get your mencoder ? |
| 14:43.15 | jelly | abrotman: hush. |
| 14:43.23 | sosnix | apt-get |
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| 14:44.03 | jelly | sosnix: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l mplayer mencoder libc6 |tail -3" |
| 14:44.31 | sosnix | wait |
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| 14:45.21 | jelly | chuckles at © XpornLive.com 2009, Powered By ClipBucket |
| 14:45.30 | sosnix | http://wklejto.pl/25024 |
| 14:46.09 | sosnix | jelly: ok ok i know ;] |
| 14:46.24 | sosnix | yes i ahve porn site and so what ? ;] |
| 14:46.28 | jelly | sosnix: a weird mix of old mplayer/mencoder and testing/unstable. |
| 14:47.00 | jelly | sosnix: do a "which mplayer", and paste in the directory where it is. |
| 14:47.31 | sosnix | yea but i dont now where is mplayer installed in my debian |
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| 14:47.49 | jelly | sosnix: that's why I told you to run "which mplayer"! |
| 14:48.24 | sosnix | can i run mplayer in ptty? |
| 14:48.30 | sosnix | putty* |
| 14:49.19 | jelly | sosnix: you can run "which mplayer". |
| 14:49.42 | frido | jelly: I've tested it now. 2.6.24.7 without probs perc4e/DC detected. 2.6.28.3 not :( |
| 14:49.56 | frido | jelly: same kernel config |
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| 14:50.13 | jelly | frido: does your app have access to /dev/mem? |
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| 14:50.36 | jelly | I mean, that dell crap. |
| 14:50.40 | frido | jelly: with 2.6.28.3 Program dsm_sa_datamgr3 tried to access /dev/mem between 806b000->806c000 |
| 14:51.06 | jelly | frido: yes. is the process running as root? |
| 14:51.12 | frido | jelly: I run in under root |
| 14:51.18 | frido | s/in/it |
| 14:51.50 | frido | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:55.13 | Anthro | The headless Debian server I have running at my parents' house stopped responding some time between 1:00am and 1:08am last night (according to a combination of syslog and messages). I had my father power cycle and everything came back up, but I'm wondering if there is any way to diagnose what happened now that it's back up. Any guidance? |
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| 14:56.45 | tomodachi | check the logs |
| 14:57.00 | tomodachi | if there is anything unusual in any ofthem before that time i guess |
| 14:57.11 | mramish | what does the error message "alsa mixer invalid argument on hw=0" mean? |
| 14:57.25 | Anthro | tomodachi: Any particular logs to check? Nothing in syslog or messages. |
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| 14:57.56 | cahoot | mramish: cat /proc/asound/cards - more than one? |
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| 14:58.47 | mramish | moment doing reboot |
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| 14:59.03 | now | liable:hows it going downunder |
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| 14:59.58 | bob__ | hi - i'm speccing up a server, and dell aren't sure that getting 3x1tb sata disks to use in a raid 5 array is a good idea - any thoughts? |
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| 15:00.15 | bob__ | not sure why they think that yet though |
| 15:00.31 | bob__ | it will run debian, so its not o/t :) |
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| 15:01.24 | mramish | it says HDA-Intel- HDA VIA VT82xx HDA VIA VT82XX at 0xfebfc000 irq 17 |
| 15:01.42 | mramish | seems only one |
| 15:03.05 | now | I am running a server no X(apache web server) and i want to design a web page that if others need to see will need to use flash flash will run a swfobject will i need to install X |
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| 15:04.24 | hark | now: no |
| 15:04.30 | cahoot | mramish: and you are member of audio group? (groups <user> would tell) |
| 15:04.41 | now | hark: thanks |
| 15:05.15 | jeefo | guys i need to install my webcam, skype says no devices found |
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| 15:05.29 | mramish | Mediaplayer is playin music, but alsa mixer says invalid argument |
| 15:05.37 | mramish | yep user is in audio group |
| 15:05.47 | mramish | strange |
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| 15:06.10 | now | hark: i may or in fact will need to run a java script also |
| 15:06.21 | cahoot | mramish: speaker-test -t wav -c 2 (as user) runs w/o error? |
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| 15:07.20 | cahoot | mramish: hmm 'mediaplayer'? what version of debian is this? |
| 15:07.31 | mramish | no errors at all works fine |
| 15:07.33 | enouf | mramish: you have any ~/.asound* files? or a /etc/asound.conf ? |
| 15:07.35 | mramish | lenny rc2 |
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| 15:08.27 | hark | now: yeah, it's all client side, no worries |
| 15:09.20 | mramish | no hmm no asound.conf at all |
| 15:09.29 | frido | jelly: everything what I've found about access to /dev/mem is http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2008-September/037390.html |
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| 15:09.46 | cahoot | mramish: ls -la ~/.asound* |
| 15:09.49 | enouf | mramish: you don't need one .. |
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| 15:10.45 | now | does any one know what extra lines I will need in sources.list ( i have lennt installed) to get this package gallery2_2.3-1_all.deb |
| 15:10.54 | now | lenny |
| 15:11.49 | mramish | no such file or directory |
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| 15:12.18 | enouf | mramish: dpkg -l alsa* | grep ^.i ; lsmod | egrep 'snd_pcm|snd_oss' <--pastebin |
| 15:12.47 | enouf | judd: versions gallery |
| 15:12.49 | judd | enouf: gallery -- etch: 1.5.4-3 sid: 1.5.9-1.1 sid: 1.5.9-1.2 |
| 15:13.06 | cahoot | gallery2 |
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| 15:13.11 | enouf | judd: versions gallery2 |
| 15:13.11 | judd | enouf: gallery2 -- etch: 2.1.2-2.0.etch.1 etch-security: 2.1.2-2.0.etch.1 sid: 2.3-1 |
| 15:13.15 | enouf | heh |
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| 15:13.57 | enouf | now: /msg dpkg ssb (or .. you can see what the depends are, and possibly install directly) |
| 15:14.55 | now | judd: so its in sid the package I mentioned |
| 15:14.55 | judd | now: Error: "so" is not a valid command. |
| 15:15.17 | mramish | wait a second got to relog back in 2 minutes |
| 15:15.38 | enouf | make sure you reboot into debian, and not ubuntu |
| 15:15.44 | troythetechguy | Finally, I have postfix configured to send mail out to a hotmail address, but when I "reply" to the email received at hotmail, I do not get a email back. Is there another package I need to install to receive email on the mail server? |
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| 15:16.32 | petemc | troythetechguy: whats your domain? |
| 15:16.40 | petemc | troythetechguy: its nothing to do with packages, its dns |
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| 15:18.18 | mramish | so back |
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| 15:18.36 | mramish | can u give me the command again pls |
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| 15:19.11 | now | judd: is this the line I need deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free ? |
| 15:19.12 | judd | now: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 15:19.31 | cahoot | now: you're speaking to a bot |
| 15:19.36 | enouf | mramish: dpkg -l alsa* | grep ^.i ; lsmod | egrep 'snd_pcm|snd_oss' <--pastebin |
| 15:19.39 | cognitiaclaeves | where is dig? I checked debian packages and can't seem to find it... |
| 15:20.09 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: htdig |
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| 15:20.16 | now | cahoot: thanks oups |
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| 15:20.55 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: sorry - dnsutils: /usr/bin/dig |
| 15:20.56 | mramish | ii alsa-base 1.0.17.dfsg-4 ALSA driver configuration files |
| 15:20.57 | mramish | ii alsa-utils 1.0.16-2 ALSA utilities |
| 15:20.57 | mramish | ii alsamixergui 0.9.0rc2-1-9 graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard |
| 15:20.57 | mramish | snd_pcm 81672 1 snd_hda_intel |
| 15:20.57 | mramish | snd_timer 25744 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq |
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| 15:21.09 | enouf | !tell cognitiaclaeves -about search |
| 15:21.33 | cahoot | enouf: see what you did - got him kicked |
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| 15:22.12 | enouf | mramish: crap - i wanted snd_mixer .. not snd_oss ...anyway - install alsa-oss |
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| 15:22.18 | enouf | cahoot: heh |
| 15:22.22 | cognitiaclaeves | enouf: Thanks, I'll make a note of that. |
| 15:22.32 | now | cahoot: is this the line i need to get the galleryvpackage I mentioned from sid?deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 15:22.51 | now | gallery package |
| 15:22.56 | cahoot | now: you don't plan to mix lenny and sid? |
| 15:23.11 | enouf | mramish: and stop pasting into the channel - i said pastebin |
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| 15:23.22 | cahoot | now: that's very unwise |
| 15:23.46 | now | cahoot: what are the alternatives if I need that package |
| 15:23.47 | javuchi | hello |
| 15:23.59 | mramish | ok sorry for that |
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| 15:24.02 | enouf | !tell now -about ssb |
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| 15:24.21 | javuchi | what do you think about testing? is it stable enough to have it instaled for years? |
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| 15:24.48 | valdyn | javuchi: thats silly |
| 15:25.00 | javuchi | why valdyn? |
| 15:25.03 | valdyn | javuchi: testing is the fork that will soon be stable |
| 15:25.06 | cahoot | now: I used to build gallery2 locally - but now stick to what debian offers (etch actually) |
| 15:25.08 | mramish | doing a reboot now, hope that alsa-oss will fix this issue |
| 15:25.09 | enouf | yep - this testing version is ;-) since it's almost stable |
| 15:25.24 | now | enouf: thanks |
| 15:25.31 | now | catroot: thanks |
| 15:25.38 | javuchi | but i mean, change lenny for testing in sources.list and having testing forever? |
| 15:25.45 | javuchi | is it going to be stable? |
| 15:25.50 | enouf | hands cahoot some catnip |
| 15:25.57 | valdyn | javuchi: no, having testing forever is a very bad idea for a production system |
| 15:26.05 | now | i will look to see what version is available in lenny |
| 15:26.05 | valdyn | javuchi: having lenny is fine |
| 15:26.06 | javuchi | why valdyn? |
| 15:26.40 | valdyn | javuchi: because testing breaks things all the time when debian does major transitions |
| 15:26.42 | javuchi | isn't it supposed that packages in lenny are not broken? |
| 15:26.43 | enouf | javuchi: the names used for testing and stable change over time - lenny is testing now, soon to be released as stable - /msg dpkg releases |
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| 15:27.05 | valdyn | javuchi: i said that lenny is ok "forever", but testing is not ok "forever" |
| 15:27.29 | themill | fsvo forever |
| 15:27.31 | javuchi | i understand what lenny is and what is the state of testing |
| 15:27.41 | enouf | although .. one never knows which exploits will crop up in the future that might make a Stable release, .. er unsafe |
| 15:27.57 | javuchi | but i dont understand why testing is not stable enough for production for ever? |
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| 15:28.06 | themill | (dsa1571) |
| 15:28.08 | enouf | javuchi: stop being silly |
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| 15:28.36 | enouf | javuchi: if you mean for 'eternity' .. atleast say that! :-p |
| 15:28.55 | javuchi | ok, i mean 5 years? |
| 15:28.57 | now | enouf:i think 14 feb is a tetative for release |
| 15:29.06 | themill | javuchi: testing does not normally have full security support, for one thing. It's also a moving target... if you want to spend your life trying to work out why $service stopped working because $daemon changed its config file format, then that's an interesting idea of production server that you have |
| 15:29.12 | enouf | now: wonderful - i'll hold your breath :-) |
| 15:29.13 | halflife08 | hello folks, my X session has been crashing a lot , it looks the bug has been reported at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501216 , but i don't seem much of updates, does any know of a quick work around. it kind of makes my lenny install practially useless since i need X |
| 15:29.17 | now | tentative |
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| 15:29.41 | enouf | now: there's no rush to me, since i like all bugs and kinks ironed out prior |
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| 15:31.00 | now | etch took a little longer I think might be wrong |
| 15:31.00 | javuchi | themill: according to FAQ, packets which breaks things are not allowed to enter testing, this is because i'm asking this |
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| 15:31.00 | abrotman | javuchi: it doesn't mean all the serious bugs are fixed yet |
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| 15:31.00 | themill | javuchi: in that case, why were there ever any RC bugs in testing at all? |
| 15:31.01 | enouf | javuchi: s/packets/packages |
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| 15:31.52 | themill | javuchi: also, packages changing things that break *your* config is not a bug in the package, but a shortcoming in your config. Remember that programs do change the format of their config files. |
| 15:32.01 | javuchi | themill: it is supposed that if there is a RC bug in a package, it cannot enter testing, isn't it? |
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| 15:32.23 | themill | javuchi: of course, but what if the bug is found after it enters testing? |
| 15:32.37 | ma3x | why doesn't this work? rsync -v /var/nas/ rsync://backup@192.168.1.12:445/backups/ |
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| 15:32.51 | enouf | halflife08: that whole stinkin bug report is ONE friggin post? |
| 15:33.05 | mramish | still "alsamixer:function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument |
| 15:33.06 | achilles | hello, whenever I set my system clock using date -s <time> it keeps changing after while |
| 15:33.14 | javuchi | well, themill, that can even happen in stable... my question is if testing is PRACTICALLY stable enough for having it installed in a desktop for years |
| 15:33.15 | cognitiaclaeves | enouf: Ok, I'm tryinig to figure out how to find out for myself where a package is located, but All I can seem to find is htdig. (In debian packages, apt-cache search, and now msging dpkg.) How did you get the package for dig? |
| 15:33.24 | enouf | halflife08: try other browsers - i like links2 - but there are tons of choices |
| 15:33.51 | themill | javuchi: when did we change from "production server" to "desktop"? |
| 15:34.08 | javuchi | themill: i never said "server" |
| 15:34.14 | javuchi | just production ;) |
| 15:34.29 | enouf | mramish: are you using gnome? kde? try going through the entire /msg dpkg alsa checklist again |
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| 15:34.51 | now | !backports |
| 15:34.51 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 15:35.29 | cognitiaclaeves | what is the difference between apt-file and apt-cache ? |
| 15:35.32 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: i use dlocate here - but i'm also running a mix of lenny/sid (and older etch stuffs) = plus, i have main contrib non-free available, note; see packages.debian.org when is real doubt |
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| 15:36.02 | javuchi | ok, so what do you think about testing for using on a desktop for 5 years? |
| 15:36.34 | themill | javuchi: it's possible. It's not how I like to work because I want things to just work and to stay just working. Others happily do it. /msg dpkg moving target |
| 15:36.46 | valdyn | javuchi: its horrible at times |
| 15:36.52 | valdyn | javuchi: you need to know how to fix bugs yourself |
| 15:37.07 | valdyn | javuchi: there can be holdups preventing fixes for weeks |
| 15:37.13 | javuchi | valdyn: that much horrible? |
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| 15:38.04 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: apt-cache is your local database of available/versions packages - apt-file searches all packages for filenames (see their respective man pages and /usr/share/doc) - dpkg -S (and dlocate, once update-dlocatedb is run) does a local (installled pkgs only) search |
| 15:38.07 | javuchi | can you give me an example of a recent bug in testing? |
| 15:38.38 | cognitiaclaeves | enouf: Ah. Search the "contents of packages". Ok. |
| 15:38.40 | cognitiaclaeves | Thanks. |
| 15:38.43 | valdyn | javuchi: *I* can trivially fix these things, doesnt mean i would recommend testing |
| 15:38.50 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 15:38.55 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: good reading |
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| 15:40.26 | javuchi | ok, it is clear now |
| 15:40.38 | javuchi | so another question: |
| 15:41.10 | javuchi | is it easy to upgrade from one stable branch to the next one, for example, is it easy to updrage from etch to lenny? |
| 15:41.29 | valdyn | javuchi: whats easy? |
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| 15:41.33 | enouf | many people do everything they can to make it easy |
| 15:41.49 | valdyn | javuchi: upgrading is extremely sensitive everywhere, debian has the best upgradeing system that exists |
| 15:41.53 | javuchi | valdyn: is it easier than maintaining testing for ever? |
| 15:41.55 | enouf | but i like valdyn 's question |
| 15:41.59 | themill | valdyn: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 15:42.23 | enouf | !tabcompletesmite someone |
| 15:42.32 | valdyn | themill: uh? |
| 15:43.16 | valdyn | javuchi: im not sure your question makes sense |
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| 15:43.36 | jelly | valdyn: it's high time to make a better one |
| 15:43.44 | valdyn | !etch->lenny |
| 15:43.49 | valdyn | dpkg:etch->lenny |
| 15:43.51 | valdyn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 15:44.08 | enouf | javuchi: is putting siding on a house easier than repainting a house? |
| 15:44.16 | themill | !coffee me |
| 15:44.16 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Tanzanian for themill, courtesy of themill |
| 15:44.21 | themill | valdyn: :P |
| 15:44.32 | javuchi | valdyn: i mean, is it easier to upgrade from one stable brach to another one than maintaining in testing? I think the question makes sense :) |
| 15:44.37 | jelly | javuchi: it's a one time deal, so you only deal with critical updates after that for a year of four |
| 15:44.40 | valdyn | javuchi: no |
| 15:44.42 | jelly | or* four |
| 15:44.42 | enouf | javuchi: it doesn't |
| 15:44.53 | enouf | you fail - sorry - next question please |
| 15:45.25 | ma3x | is it possible to specify the password for remote sync on the command line? |
| 15:45.28 | valdyn | javuchi: upgrading happens when you want it, in a predictable way, if you use stable, not in random largely unknown chunks when you use testing |
| 15:45.32 | themill | javuchi: would you rather continual pain with no release notes all the time, or a one-off hit with a set of release notes to guide you through the process and know that it's well tested? |
| 15:45.33 | ma3x | without having to pop up and enter it? |
| 15:45.36 | enouf | awaits number 3 of 20 questions |
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| 15:46.09 | workPragmatist | how can you force logrotate to run noww? |
| 15:46.20 | valdyn | workPragmatist: run the cronjob |
| 15:46.34 | javuchi | ok themill, so stable is the way |
| 15:46.35 | saulus_ | which packages contains strftime? awk fails with "function strftime never defined" |
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| 15:46.43 | enouf | ma3x: i think something like expect is supposed to allow for those type of things - not sure which sync you mean - maybe Kitchen? |
| 15:47.00 | valdyn | ma3x: thats the wrong question |
| 15:47.11 | javuchi | the only problem is to stay with the same software versions for 2 years.... |
| 15:47.19 | ma3x | valdyn: what do you mean the wrong question |
| 15:47.28 | valdyn | ma3x: the right question is: how do i do a remote sync without password |
| 15:47.28 | enouf | heh |
| 15:47.28 | ma3x | sorry i typed remote sync |
| 15:47.30 | ma3x | i meant rsync |
| 15:47.32 | themill | javuchi: meh. There's always backports.org for some important things |
| 15:47.38 | sepski | ma3x, useing ssh keys |
| 15:47.49 | cahoot | ma3x: http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html |
| 15:47.51 | ma3x | valdyn: but i have a password, i just don't want it to pop up, i want to write it on the command line |
| 15:47.57 | ma3x | sepski: this is rsync, not going via ssh |
| 15:47.58 | valdyn | ma3x: you really mean rsync over ssh |
| 15:48.01 | ma3x | no |
| 15:48.10 | workPragmatist | valdyn: that didn't seem to work |
| 15:48.14 | valdyn | ma3x: no? why the hell would anyone use remote rsync without ssh? |
| 15:48.24 | ma3x | for backups |
| 15:48.28 | valdyn | ma3x: silly |
| 15:48.44 | valdyn | ma3x: show us the command line, its probably ssh without you knowing it |
| 15:48.44 | ma3x | yeah, but what to do, the nas box has no ssh |
| 15:48.59 | valdyn | ma3x: the nas box has no ssh but has rsync? |
| 15:49.08 | themill | saulus_: install gawk rather than mawk. "aptitude install gawk mawk_" should do it. |
| 15:49.13 | ma3x | rsync -v /var/tar/* backup@192.168.1.34::backup |
| 15:49.17 | valdyn | workPragmatist: bad for you |
| 15:49.24 | valdyn | !tell workPragmatist -about ask |
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| 15:49.25 | ma3x | yes valdyn |
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| 15:49.39 | enouf | themill: mawk- <--minus sign/dash? |
| 15:49.41 | saulus_ | ty themill |
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| 15:49.48 | themill | enouf: _ == purge. |
| 15:49.54 | enouf | ewww ... |
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| 15:50.04 | valdyn | ma3x: so install ssh on that thing |
| 15:50.09 | ma3x | valdyn: here take a look at the ports openhttp://paste.debian.net/27719/ |
| 15:50.17 | ma3x | valdyn: how do you install ssh on that thing!? |
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| 15:50.21 | ma3x | it's netgear |
| 15:50.23 | jelly | + install, - remove, _ purge ... dselect legacy! |
| 15:50.27 | themill | dpkg --purge enouf |
| 15:50.27 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up enouf all over themill and Wicked... |
| 15:50.37 | workPragmatist | blah blah blah |
| 15:50.50 | javuchi | ok thank you |
| 15:50.52 | valdyn | ma3x: funny how a company can get away with selling such trash |
| 15:50.56 | enouf | feels refreshed |
| 15:51.04 | javuchi | i'll stay in lenny |
| 15:51.11 | valdyn | ma3x: i dont know if rsync supports key based authentication |
| 15:51.19 | enouf | valdyn: heh - and people actually pay $$$ for it |
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| 15:51.25 | jelly | valdyn: ssh does. |
| 15:51.29 | ma3x | valdyn: yeah, so i'm writing a script. can i somehow tell the script when a "enter your password" dialog comes, to enter the password and hit the enter key? |
| 15:51.39 | valdyn | jelly: yea,but he does not have that available |
| 15:51.44 | valdyn | ma3x: thats the wrong way |
| 15:52.16 | themill | ma3x: man rsync... believe it or not, it's actually there |
| 15:52.21 | ma3x | themill: where?! |
| 15:52.27 | enouf | there! |
| 15:52.42 | ma3x | --password-file? |
| 15:52.57 | themill | ma3x: do you know that you can search through a man page using / ? /pass |
| 15:53.13 | javuchi | is it true that Lenny is going to be releases on 14th feb? |
| 15:53.20 | abrotman | javuchi: unknown |
| 15:53.27 | enouf | javuchi: nobody knows |
| 15:53.33 | ma3x | themill: did you have in mind --password-file? |
| 15:53.42 | themill | !wwlr |
| 15:53.42 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release when it's ready, with a tentative release date being set for February 14, 2009. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html for details. Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>. |
| 15:53.58 | themill | ma3x: that would be the way if you can't use ssh. |
| 15:54.46 | javuchi | how things are doing? is it going as planned? |
| 15:54.57 | valdyn | javuchi: debian hardly plans |
| 15:55.03 | abrotman | javuchi: you're asking the wrong people, we have nothing to do with the release planning |
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| 15:55.43 | valdyn | i see 126 rc bugs |
| 15:55.56 | abrotman | i see 9 days :) |
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| 15:56.16 | javuchi | 9 days for 126 bugs? |
| 15:56.32 | javuchi | wuauuu |
| 15:56.35 | valdyn | javuchi: so they'll have to "cheat" a little |
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| 15:57.01 | javuchi | valdyn: i know, it is not a bug, it is a a feature |
| 15:57.20 | valdyn | javuchi: umm, no |
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| 15:59.14 | javuchi | valdyn: then what cheat? |
| 15:59.42 | jeefo | i have webcam Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04fc:0561 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd Flexcam 100 |
| 15:59.59 | jeefo | skype says no device found |
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| 16:00.26 | jeefo | can anybody help????? |
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| 16:01.51 | cahoot | jeefo: skype is not supported here - but - does any debian app like cheese 'see' the cam? |
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| 16:03.16 | jeefo | cahoot: i do not have such application, but i think it won't since i didn't install any driver for that |
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| 16:03.50 | abrotman | install it |
| 16:04.06 | jeefo | cheese ? |
| 16:04.38 | abrotman | judd: versions cheese |
| 16:04.39 | cahoot | jeefo: you need a 'driver' - probably gspca but google its usbID |
| 16:04.39 | judd | abrotman: cheese -- lenny: 2.22.3-3 sid: 2.22.3-3 experimental: 2.24.2-1 |
| 16:05.17 | jeefo | cahoot: how can i find the usbID ? |
| 16:05.32 | abrotman | lsusb -v |
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| 16:05.34 | shabble | lsusb? |
| 16:05.48 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.20 | valdyn | jakuub: declaring a bug not release critical or removing the bugged package |
| 16:06.26 | jeefo | ok ok thank you cahoot |
| 16:06.39 | valdyn | oops |
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| 16:15.41 | oopepe | can someone pls say my name? its for testing.. thx |
| 16:16.01 | bittin_ | oopepe |
| 16:16.10 | oopepe | thx |
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| 16:16.43 | bittin_ | np |
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| 16:26.05 | loachfish | hi all, any idea why i should be getting modprobe FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/../modules.dep when i call modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp? |
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| 16:29.27 | enouf | ~$ modinfo ip_conntrack_ftp |
| 16:29.28 | enouf | modinfo: could not find module ip_conntrack_ftp |
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| 16:30.32 | enouf | CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_FTP=m |
| 16:31.10 | enouf | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_ftp.ko |
| 16:31.10 | enouf | alias: ip_conntrack_ftp |
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| 16:34.31 | ma3x | why when i rsync -av --password-file /etc/passfile /var/nas/* backup@192.168.1.43::backups/ the data on the other end comes with strange filenames like BDNOLA~Q.TGZ |
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| 16:36.57 | enouf | heh, 8.3 dos names |
| 16:37.09 | pobega | Does Debian's mplayer work with aalib at all? Mine doesn't seem to want to work with -vo aa |
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| 16:37.47 | enouf | got a file we could test with? |
| 16:38.10 | Eulex | pobega, doesn't have aa, but try caca |
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| 16:38.43 | pobega | Eulex: it works but it's nowhere near as good at aalib |
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| 16:38.53 | pobega | or maybe it's just the source video |
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| 16:39.27 | ma3x | enouf: dos names? |
| 16:40.18 | Eulex | pobega, I was in the belief that it was based on libaa, but added color output |
| 16:40.22 | enouf | !8.3 |
| 16:40.27 | enouf | heh |
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| 16:40.49 | enouf | MYDOCU~1.DOS .. yes, dos names |
| 16:41.04 | pobega | Eulex: it just seems to be a lot less powerful, Aalib makes some very high def pictures (for what it's worth) |
| 16:41.29 | Eulex | enouf, would just be MYDOCU~1 |
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| 16:41.37 | ma3x | enouf: any idea why they appear instead of realname? |
| 16:41.42 | enouf | for a folder, sure .. |
| 16:41.52 | Eulex | pobega, uh, please explain to me what high def and ascii output would have in common? |
| 16:42.08 | pobega | Eulex: you don't have to take what I say literally, you know. |
| 16:42.16 | pobega | high def doesn't nessecarily mean 1080p |
| 16:42.18 | enouf | ma3x: some kind of improper sicko smbmount options? no idea |
| 16:42.23 | pobega | I mean, they're high definition for text based pictures |
| 16:42.32 | pobega | They're just of very good quality |
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| 16:42.38 | Eulex | heh, ok |
| 16:42.46 | pobega | Eulex: this is my friend using aalib http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4716/aamplayermp1.png |
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| 16:43.35 | Zharf | is that code geass |
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| 16:43.46 | pobega | Zharf: probably, he's into anime |
| 16:43.51 | Zharf | :) |
| 16:43.58 | ma3x | enouf: im doing it with rsync |
| 16:44.01 | pobega | Eulex: hold on, I'm uploading a picture of me using caca to watch a pro quake game |
| 16:44.04 | Eulex | pobega, I'd say that anime is quite a special case and would generate quite good output... |
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| 16:44.26 | pobega | Eulex: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8827/cacauq4.jpg |
| 16:44.27 | Eulex | pobega, especially with such a close-up |
| 16:45.02 | pobega | I'll try it with an anime |
| 16:45.09 | Eulex | pobega, I suggest using comparable test cases ^_^ |
| 16:45.11 | pobega | oh wait gotta go |
| 16:45.12 | pobega | be back soon |
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| 16:48.39 | jsm | how do you configure debian to restart automatically after a kernel panic? |
| 16:49.49 | dkr | jsm: there is a proc setting for that you can modify with sysctl |
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| 16:51.44 | dcnoye | when will lenny go stable ? |
| 16:52.07 | petemc | at some point in the future |
| 16:52.21 | petemc | dcnoye: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 16:52.41 | dkr | jsm: /proc/sys/kernel/panic |
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| 16:52.59 | jsm | dkr: thanks |
| 16:53.01 | dkr | The value in this file represents the number of seconds the kernel waits |
| 16:53.01 | dkr | before rebooting on a panic. |
| 16:53.10 | dkr | so set it to something other than 0. :) |
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| 16:54.47 | dcnoye | so i am guess that it will be stable relatively soon ? |
| 16:54.57 | dcnoye | s/guess/guessing |
| 16:55.26 | harmattan | Hi. A few days ago, while doing netstat -t -p I found something like: 89.232.250.225:x11 in the 'Foreign Address' column (transmission was running). Is it an illegal entry in the system or is it normal for that program to use the (I suppose) 10000 port? |
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| 16:57.34 | dkr | harmattan: those number to name mappings are derived from /etc/services. if you look there you'll see that x11 is port 6000 |
| 16:58.40 | dkr | harmattan: that port is used normally internally for x apps, but by default I do not believe xorg is listening on the external interface. you would have had to enable that exlpicitly |
| 16:59.47 | dkr | and even if you do, there are other security mechanisms to block access from remote hosts by default. (usually voercome with the xhost command to allow connections frmo specific other systems) |
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| 17:00.02 | simonrvn | nope, -nolisten tcp is usually set on debian |
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| 17:00.17 | simonrvn | !xhost |
| 17:00.17 | dpkg | from memory, xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about <sshx>). Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>. |
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| 17:01.49 | simonrvn | harmattan: it just means that that bt servent picked that port to listen to on first launch and configuration |
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| 17:04.09 | harmattan | dkr: I see. Thanks for pointing me towards /etc/services. For a moment I thought about a breach in my machine :-) |
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| 17:05.43 | harmattan | simonrvn: I had to set manually that option in /usr/X11R6/bin/startx |
| 17:06.04 | simonrvn | which option? |
| 17:06.07 | dkr | simonrvn: why did you say "nope"? I said that was the default and he would have had to enable it explicitly |
| 17:06.14 | simonrvn | the port it listens on? |
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| 17:06.52 | simonrvn | dkr: note that what i said backs up your statement |
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| 17:07.15 | harmattan | simonrvn: defaultserverargs="" (initial setting) |
| 17:07.18 | dkr | simonrvn: nope, yes it does |
| 17:07.27 | dkr | ;) |
| 17:07.28 | simonrvn | dkr: hehe |
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| 17:07.48 | simonrvn | just woke up a little while ago, heh |
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| 17:08.26 | pobegam | Sorry, I'm back. So there is no way to get MPlayer in Debian to use regular ol' aa output? |
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| 17:09.48 | dkr | you could always write a video out plugin for it if it doesn't exist. :) |
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| 17:11.20 | niere | i'm having problems with the Release file of a local repository being ignored; it's pulled from the repository (as seen in a "Hit" with apt-get update, and in the apache logfile), but there's none of the release information added to the index (which i wanted to use for version pinning). is anyone running a local repos, and might have a hint what's going wrong? |
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| 17:11.53 | alsd | pobegam: i have a debian mplayer with aa output rolling here |
| 17:12.47 | pobegam | alsd: did you have to compile it yourself? Are you using unstable? |
| 17:13.05 | alsd | pobegam: lenny, and no it's the regular mplayer |
| 17:13.22 | simonrvn | niere: is it signed? |
| 17:13.33 | niere | simonrvn: no |
| 17:13.43 | pobegam | alsd: weird. mine doesn't work :[ |
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| 17:13.52 | alsd | pobegam: well output looks a bit strange actually |
| 17:13.57 | [gnubie] | waves to all.. gtg now.. thanks.. ;) |
| 17:14.05 | alsd | pobegam: only 1/4 of the screen is filled |
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| 17:15.30 | niere | simonrvn: does the Release file have to be signed? in the documentation regarding running a local repository i didn't find anything stating that |
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| 17:16.32 | unixSnob | i've got an SD card that debian etch will only mount read-only - however, debian maemo (on different hardware) mounts it for write just fine |
| 17:16.47 | alsd | niere: it doesn't have to, only that apt-get or aptitude will complain every time you try to install things from your repo |
| 17:17.11 | Eulex | unixSnob, what file system? |
| 17:17.17 | unixSnob | I know the linux kernel will refuse to mount a corrupt SD card for write -- but why is one installation treating the SD card differently? |
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| 17:17.29 | toad_ | is the broadcom 1470 dual mode wireless still only supported through ndiswrapper? |
| 17:17.32 | unixSnob | Eulex: the file system is out of the picture.. it doesn't have one |
| 17:18.14 | unixSnob | Eulex: the maemo distro was able to put a file system on it (presumably ext2), but debian etch doesn't get that far |
| 17:18.26 | unixSnob | fdisk refuses to write the partition table |
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| 17:19.00 | Eulex | unixSnob, heh, ok |
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| 17:19.16 | niere | alsd: ok, but the Release file is being ignored altogether (not the Packages file, so i can actually see/install stuff from that repository. but i cannot pin by release, only by origin) |
| 17:19.36 | unixSnob | I don't think this can be fixed.. somewhere deep within the kernel driver is probably where it decides whether the chip is corrupt - at the device level |
| 17:20.10 | alsd | unixSnob: when you insert it, usb-storage should report about the device being read only or read/write |
| 17:20.37 | unixSnob | alsd: usb-storage? is that a command? |
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| 17:21.12 | alsd | unixSnob: no it's a kernel module that's called to read usb storage media. it's called automagically upon inserting your usb thing |
| 17:21.31 | alsd | unixSnob: assuming you use a usb thing to read your sd card of course |
| 17:21.53 | unixSnob | alsd: The SD card reader is integrated into the laptop |
| 17:22.02 | unixSnob | not sure if it's usb internally |
| 17:22.26 | Rioting_pacifist | sory this isnt technically a debian problem, but #ubuntu's advice was as always to reboot using a liveCD, but if i create an LVM snapshot of a drive will fscking that snapshot show errors in the original? |
| 17:22.52 | alsd | unixSnob: i've been told support for devices like yours not using usb have only been added lately, maybe there's a bug there? |
| 17:23.00 | unixSnob | i just wish i could force the driver to ignore whether it's corrupt |
| 17:23.15 | unixSnob | alsd: perhaps.. the card reader didn't work out of the box |
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| 17:23.23 | unixSnob | alsd: I had to hack this thing to make it work |
| 17:23.45 | unixSnob | alsd: it involved getting the latest backports kernel |
| 17:23.53 | frostschutz | Rioting_pacifist: if you make the snapshot while the filesystem is mounted (is that even possible?) then the filesystem of the snapshot would not be in a clean state and thus fsck will show errors in the snapshot that may be resolved in the original by unmounting |
| 17:23.57 | unixSnob | and some other miscellaneous commands |
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| 17:25.18 | frostschutz | Rioting_pacifist: so you should at the very least, remount the filesystem readonly first (and then you can make a copy of the partition with dd or even fsck the original in read only mode to see if it has errors at all) |
| 17:25.20 | alsd | unixSnob: maybe there's a bug or something in the driver with the backport kernel |
| 17:25.20 | niere | frostschutz: you can create snapshots whenever you like |
| 17:26.21 | Rioting_pacifist | frostschutz: well i just used the lvcreate while the fs was mounted (i hope its possible), the fsck of the snapshot showed no errors, does that simply mean none were created by snapshoting an unclean fs or does that mean the original fs was fine |
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| 17:27.07 | frostschutz | Rioting_pacifist: how is lvcreate related to a mounted filesystem? |
| 17:27.24 | Rioting_pacifist | i used it to create the snapshot of a mounted filesystem |
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| 17:27.53 | alsd | frostschutz: there's an option to create a snapshot LVM volume with lvcreate |
| 17:27.54 | osFrenchDude1 | Hi, I'm running lenny kde3.5 and I have a mx revolution pretty well working, except for the search button. Can I use the result of xev and associate it with what I'd like to be the 3rd button of the mousse |
| 17:28.03 | frostschutz | ah, sorry. :) thought it was another command ;) |
| 17:28.22 | alsd | frostschutz: never got it to work though |
| 17:28.41 | niere | Rioting_pacifist: the snapshot doesn't know about any filesyste above, and vice versa - the data shouldn't change if you take a snapshot |
| 17:29.09 | alsd | unixSnob: you can try and look what 'dmesg' says when you insert the card in |
| 17:29.35 | niere | Rioting_pacifist: so any errors (or lack of) you see by fscking the snapshot might tell you something about the "real" lv |
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| 17:30.11 | frostschutz | Rioting_pacifist: which filesystem? |
| 17:30.14 | niere | Rioting_pacifist: but things might change when unmounting (you never know), or might have changed in the meantime. |
| 17:30.20 | Qtronix | can anybody tell me what package i have to install to get fstype? |
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| 17:32.04 | unixSnob | [ 2156.145471] mmc0: new high speed SD card at address 3912 |
| 17:32.04 | unixSnob | [ 2156.146379] mmcblk0: mmc0:3912 SD01G 1006080KiB (ro) |
| 17:32.04 | unixSnob | [ 2156.146379] mmcblk0: p1 |
| 17:32.04 | valdyn | !tell Qtronix -about search |
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| 17:32.30 | alsd | Qtronix: there's one in klibc-utils. not sure it's the one you want though |
| 17:32.32 | Rioting_pacifist | erm its my / (hence unmounting it is tricky) and im running reiserfs, if it matters, the fsck of the snapshot cameback fine so i 'think' in the absence of something random happening that means the root partion is fine |
| 17:32.33 | unixSnob | alsd: i'm running outta time.. gotta run in a minute |
| 17:32.56 | unixSnob | alsd: you can see the (ro) tacked onto the end.. so it's making it readonly before I even mount it |
| 17:33.15 | unixSnob | also : # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 |
| 17:33.16 | unixSnob | dd: opening `/dev/mmcblk0': Read-only file system |
| 17:33.20 | alsd | unixSnob: there's a 'lock' thingy on SD cards, isn't it on the wrong position? |
| 17:33.42 | unixSnob | alsd: no, it's correct.. and I just wrote to it with a maemo device |
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| 17:34.12 | alsd | unixSnob: does it work with some other sd card? |
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| 17:34.32 | norrs | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.39 | norrs | http://rafb.net/p/42Oxfe25.html |
| 17:34.54 | norrs | I've used the skeleton as base in /etc/init.d , and inserted correct variables. echo'ing out daemon and daemon_args, it looks correct. As running it from commmand line is working just fine |
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| 17:35.04 | enouf | Qtronix: are you looing for the file command? |
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| 17:35.15 | niere | Rioting_pacifist: if you have reason to believe your root fs has errors, i'd recommend a reboot as well (the initramfs might suffice for checking). for "just checking" the snapshot-way is fine, i guess |
| 17:35.16 | unixSnob | alsd: yes, other sd cards work in the slot (except one other) |
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| 17:35.37 | Bagualas | any ideia? /dev/st0: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
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| 17:35.42 | unixSnob | alsd: so it just seems the ricoh is a little more tempermental |
| 17:35.56 | enouf | Bagualas: show the command you ran |
| 17:36.15 | Bagualas | enouf, mt -f /dev/st0 status |
| 17:36.37 | Bagualas | enouf, or mt -f /dev/st0 rewind |
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| 17:37.32 | Rioting_pacifist | niere: ive got serious HW problems with the laptop, the mobo keeps loosing the harddrive causing me to have to hard reboot it, but as the boot up fscks hadn;t shown any problems this was just to be extra sure because ive had a whole new type of crash recently :D |
| 17:37.40 | enouf | Bagualas: i'm not good with tape issues/devices - is/are the module(s) needed loaded? |
| 17:38.07 | unixSnob | thanks for the help alsd.. i'm off to grab some food - layer |
| 17:38.09 | unixSnob | later |
| 17:38.21 | Bagualas | enouf, i dont think so, it was working before... now just give that errror =/ |
| 17:38.22 | enouf | Bagualas: does "udevinfo -q all -n /dev/st0" spit back correct info? |
| 17:38.24 | Rioting_pacifist | thx for the help guys, oh whats the state of kde in the latest debian (usable by people who dont care if the system need updating every couple of days (unstable right)) |
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| 17:42.50 | Rioting_pacifist | nvm google is my friend |
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| 17:43.54 | dp | have there been any new vulnerabilities to stable 'recently'? (last few weeks) |
| 17:44.00 | ma3x | why this is working only in local area network? but not from remote host. rsync -av /var/nas/* backup@hostname.com::backups ( it works if i replace hostname with 192.168.1.43 ) |
| 17:45.51 | dhillaoeu | ma3x: because that's a local area network address? |
| 17:46.30 | Bagualas | enouf, the device wasnt detected... I try to reboot without the tape |
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| 17:46.54 | alsd | dp: see http://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 17:47.34 | dp | thanks |
| 17:47.40 | n3kl | Hey, will ext4 support be in lenny? |
| 17:48.12 | ma3x | uhm i didnt have the right port open |
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| 17:48.50 | johnbigbootie | was recommended to come here to ask about beowulf clustering with PVM support |
| 17:49.19 | n3kl | That sounds fun |
| 17:50.07 | johnbigbootie | anyone here have experience with BPROC, PVM, or know anything about it? |
| 17:50.26 | n3kl | wish I did |
| 17:50.42 | Blues-Man | hi i have a big problem with ssh on debian lenny 2.6.28 |
| 17:50.56 | Blues-Man | i have a eeebox with ssh started and working |
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| 17:51.05 | n3kl | johnbigbootie: though, in here, you tend to get more response, when you ask a specific question |
| 17:51.05 | Blues-Man | and many clients connected to him |
| 17:51.14 | n3kl | Blues-Man: press enter less |
| 17:51.14 | ma3x | how do i specify in a cron for every monday ? * * * * 0 ? |
| 17:51.22 | johnbigbootie | sure, has anyone installed PVM on a beowulf distribution? |
| 17:51.34 | n3kl | ma3x: I think 0 is sunday, but man crontab will tell you |
| 17:51.49 | ma3x | and what about the other four stars? |
| 17:51.52 | ma3x | doesn't that mind? |
| 17:51.53 | _stack | ./ELF/elf.h:4:21: error: asm/elf.h: No such file or directory I get this error when compiling uMPS (not relevant) ...I have the src for the kernel (I compiled my own kernel) and that file exists ...someone could tell me what is the problem? |
| 17:52.00 | Blues-Man | the problem is that with the wireless connection using ssh client as winscp,filezilla or konqueror to list big dir or coy big files the router reset the network |
| 17:52.02 | n3kl | ma3x: read the manpage |
| 17:52.23 | n3kl | Blues-Man: what do you mean "reset the network"? |
| 17:52.49 | Blues-Man | n3kl, disconnect hosts and send again the ip |
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| 17:53.03 | ma3x | thansks |
| 17:53.25 | Blues-Man | but with the ethernet cable is all ok, so what's the problem between the router with wireless and sshd ? |
| 17:54.25 | n3kl | Blues-Man: mtu? |
| 17:54.26 | synx | suppose you know what a font looks like... how to find the package it's in? there a font thumbnail gallery somewhere? <_< |
| 17:54.54 | synx | all my fonts are too skinny~ |
| 17:54.55 | n3kl | synx: in kde, font:// |
| 17:55.05 | n3kl | or fonts://, I forget |
| 17:55.20 | Blues-Man | n3kl, I thought about it, but which MTU to set in order to have ssh working good? |
| 17:55.48 | synx | not the ones I already have installed |
| 17:55.51 | n3kl | Blues-Man: its probably an issue with your wireless router, do you have any other wireless hosts to test with |
| 17:55.56 | synx | or... just install every font? |
| 17:56.14 | n3kl | synx: no, there is a kde font viewer I know, what DE are you using? |
| 17:56.58 | synx | I'm on Testing. |
| 17:57.03 | ma3x | is 10 0 * * * correct for 00:10 every night? |
| 17:57.07 | ma3x | for crontab? |
| 17:57.18 | synx | But I can view the fonts I have just fine, just choosing new ones... |
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| 17:57.23 | n3kl | ma3x: ya |
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| 17:59.09 | Blues-Man | n3kl, just know i have a problem with eth ssh connection, moving a big file via konqueror ,i see it blocked and i can't access anymore the server via ssh |
| 17:59.16 | ma3x | thanks |
| 17:59.16 | ma3x | byue |
| 17:59.23 | Blues-Man | i dunno why the server is up as I can see from the console |
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| 18:01.00 | hanibana | hi all :) |
| 18:02.00 | hanibana | My Graphic Card is Intel. and I am using Debian Lenny that does NOT support its 3D acceleration necessary for Compiz... (I find out this from the glxinfo command output) . I like to know that the Debian driver is the latest one for my VGA? If no, can I have any chance to enable its 3D features by installing it manually? |
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| 18:03.30 | synx | just looking for a font that is extra fat and squat when it's in bold |
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| 18:04.07 | hanibana | any tiny idea? ;) |
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| 18:04.32 | halflife08 | hanibana: which intel card? |
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| 18:06.44 | hanibana | halflife08: its Chipset: Mobile Intel GM45 express |
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| 18:07.22 | Deepa | I'm gonna install Debian on another computer |
| 18:07.33 | Deepa | Does anyone have a guide that explains how to put the installer on a harddrive? |
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| 18:10.40 | hanibana | halflife08:Mobile Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500 MHD |
| 18:10.51 | hanibana | I got these from my notebook specs. |
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| 18:12.27 | synx | Deepa: just install it to the first hard drive, then dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb? :3 |
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| 18:13.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, if it's "another" computer, why don't you clone the Debian you have... |
| 18:13.49 | Deepa | The one I got right now is in a VM :P |
| 18:13.56 | synx | Deepa: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en might be of help |
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| 18:14.47 | synx | woah a VM? I don't know about that. |
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| 18:16.02 | Deepa | Well I gave the dd variant a try |
| 18:16.06 | Deepa | Takes it's time though |
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| 18:16.17 | Deepa | Supposed to take longer than an hour? |
| 18:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, ah well... then it's probably not worth it :) |
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| 18:17.13 | enouf | hanibana: are you sure that card doesn't support any 3d at all? that doesn't seem right |
| 18:17.43 | Deepa | Well intels integrated cards are horrible, the one I got ONLY supports things that Vista requires |
| 18:17.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, *what* is the "dd variant" you don't say how much you're copying from where to where |
| 18:18.31 | enouf | hanibana: i mean, pastebin output of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; lsmod ; glxinfo ; xrandr - and your xorg.conf ... rather than me guessing |
| 18:18.34 | Deepa | synx's idea, going from sda1 to sdb1, from sda5 to sdb6 |
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| 18:19.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it's a vm... |
| 18:19.41 | _awe_ | http://www.mekwa.org |
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| 18:19.58 | HD|3 | i all |
| 18:20.06 | hanibana | enouf: thanks. I read some place that to be able to use Compiz, the "direct rendering" in my glxinfo output should be "Yes". Mine is "No". |
| 18:20.30 | hanibana | enouf: OK, I will pastebin all of them. |
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| 18:20.36 | HD|3 | I have an server with some problems (hoster overselling, fuck them) and another server (B) running screen |
| 18:20.45 | enouf | hanibana: dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-* | grep ^.i |
| 18:20.51 | HD|3 | how do I make a loop on server B that tries to connect to SSH of A? |
| 18:20.52 | synx | I was joking anyway. It'd only work right if both hard disks were the same size. |
| 18:21.02 | enouf | hanibana: wait - do the dpkg one 1st |
| 18:21.13 | HD|3 | so that the loop runs until ssh manages to establish a connection |
| 18:21.22 | HD|3 | passphrase isn't a problem, ssh auth is via key |
| 18:21.37 | halflife08 | hello folks how do i share my existing X session with others, who are using windows, i am looked at vnc4server it seems to us a display that is free not the one that is being used |
| 18:21.58 | dkr | halflife08: x11vnc |
| 18:22.06 | \amethyst | x11vnc, or vino |
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| 18:22.40 | synx | halflife08: x11vnc can offer a VNC server of the currently running X |
| 18:23.01 | dkr | it can also server out a java applet to server as the vnc client on the windows end |
| 18:23.06 | halflife08 | synx: thanks, |
| 18:23.10 | halflife08 | dkr: thanks |
| 18:23.46 | dkr | \amethyst: you don't get thanks. thtbtbtt |
| 18:23.47 | enouf | ^fives \amethyst (since s/he was left out) |
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| 18:23.49 | Deepa | annoying, it's on a USB1 connection :P |
| 18:23.53 | Deepa | DD is running at 120kb/s XD |
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| 18:24.12 | enouf | Deepa: dems dialup speeds :-p |
| 18:24.21 | adama_ | HD|3: use a while loop? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-7.html |
| 18:24.26 | \amethyst | enouf, dkr: :) |
| 18:24.26 | synx | Now if only I could figure out how to record my audio output. |
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| 18:24.59 | HD|3 | adama_: that's obvious, but how do I make this one work with ssh exitcodes? |
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| 18:25.11 | HD|3 | and how do I specify a timeout for ssh? |
| 18:26.01 | dkr | HD|3: man ssh /timeout |
| 18:26.01 | synx | Deepa: DON'T USE DD IT WAS A JOKE :p |
| 18:26.01 | synx | I mean... unless you enjoy copying every byte of the disk including the ones not being used. |
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| 18:26.01 | synx | Maybe that's your thing I dunno. |
| 18:26.01 | Deepa | Hey, joke or not |
| 18:26.01 | Deepa | It works :) |
| 18:26.04 | Deepa | Or oughta |
| 18:26.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | what a joker, eh... |
| 18:26.22 | Deepa | And besides, I began with such a copy even before I came here :P |
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| 18:26.44 | synx | well, true. ._. assuming the hard disks are the same size of course |
| 18:26.51 | Deepa | Well... |
| 18:26.56 | Deepa | The one I'm copying to is larger :P |
| 18:27.23 | \amethyst | HD|3: while ! ssh -o ConnectTimeout=5 otherhost; do echo "trying again in 3 sec"; sleep 3; done |
| 18:27.31 | HD|3 | thx |
| 18:28.01 | HD|3 | Deepa: then there shouldnt be a problem, but you'll be wastin' time |
| 18:28.04 | Deepa | But wouldn't copying over the files using cp and then installing grub work too? |
| 18:28.39 | synx | RAID1 using dd: $ while true; do dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb done; |
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| 18:29.14 | synx | Yes Deepa that would probably work much faster than dd, unless your disk is already full of files. |
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| 18:29.30 | runa | hi how can i use a live cd to add features. I mean adding other things int he menu |
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| 18:29.44 | runa | does it use a grub or something? |
| 18:30.02 | \amethyst | Deepa: also, copying the files will have the side effect of defragmenting the new filesystem |
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| 18:30.27 | Deepa | \amethyst, and that's a bad thing? |
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| 18:30.48 | \amethyst | Deepa: no, that would probably be a good thing |
| 18:30.52 | chomwitt | in a month old lenny installation after some attempts to compile some exotic modules my system has become apperently broken(some packages -drives- dont install anymore). Since i like to feel that i have a stable system i want to correct my sin. Is there a way to erase files non-repository related and reinstall all the packages all should i backup and do another clean install ? |
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| 18:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deepa, cp would only work with some options to preserve symlinks/owner/permissions - tar is generally better |
| 18:31.13 | \amethyst | rsync |
| 18:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, or rsync |
| 18:31.23 | enouf | runa: you don't need a livecd, use apt-get or aptitude and install packages |
| 18:31.23 | chomwitt | all->or |
| 18:31.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't LIKE rsync for some reason :) |
| 18:31.52 | Deepa | But wouldn't rsync also copy the direcotyr I'm in? |
| 18:32.08 | Deepa | No man page for rsync? |
| 18:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that a bad thing? |
| 18:32.10 | Deepa | oh not installed :P |
| 18:32.17 | synx | Doesn't the rsync guy talk about his family in the documentation? It's kind of weird... |
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| 18:32.22 | newsense | Deepa: --exclude=/blah |
| 18:32.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | it pretty much copies what you want it to... |
| 18:32.29 | Deepa | Thank you newsense |
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| 18:32.46 | runa | i want to modify the initial menu of a livecd and make it choose from different kernels |
| 18:32.47 | synx | Deepa: you're going to want to mount the two disks if you want to copy using rsync or tar. |
| 18:32.47 | hanibana | enouf: ok |
| 18:32.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | synx, hehe, he does |
| 18:32.54 | qquick | Hi, hope one of you can help. I am running Ethh on sparc. I am wondering how to change the order modules are loaded. I need the qla2xxx driver for my HD. But if I plug in an external usb drive. It loads the usb driver first and trys to mount that drive as the root filesystem. Is there way to put the qla2xxx module before the qla2xxx. Thanks |
| 18:33.02 | Deepa | synx, I'm about to mount the second one |
| 18:33.04 | vlt | Hello. I have an LVM volume "data" and a snapshot LV "data_snapshot_2009-02-04". How can I rollback the changes and restore yesterday's state of "data"? Is this possible without an intermediate third volume? |
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| 18:33.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | synx, and about so called "word documents" whatever THAT is |
| 18:33.38 | synx | I would use rsync in preference to tar though, because if something blows up during the copy, you can resume rsync, whereas tar would re-copy the old files all over again. |
| 18:33.38 | \amethyst | Deepa: with rsync you probably want at least -aH or, if you have ACLs or xattrs, -aHAX |
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| 18:34.11 | enouf | qquick: tell your BIOS to lay off |
| 18:34.17 | \amethyst | Deepa: -a makes it preserve most things, and -H makes it also preserve hardlinks |
| 18:34.32 | Deepa | I'm reading through the manpage at the moment :P |
| 18:34.36 | synx | omg hax |
| 18:34.46 | newsense | i use rsync -avzHP for my backups to preserve owner/group permissions links and devices |
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| 18:35.03 | enouf | chomwitt: probably reinstall is best - i guess ... |
| 18:35.12 | Deepa | avzHPAX then :P |
| 18:35.23 | synx | The rsync manpage is pretty exhaustive. |
| 18:35.35 | Deepa | Indeed it is |
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| 18:36.26 | synx | Just do a search for each letter Deepa, /-a /-v etc... |
| 18:36.27 | vlt | Deepa: For large files and a high probability of a connection interrupt I'd also add -P |
| 18:36.29 | selim | can someone help me to find out why my postfix/cyrus-sasl smtp-auth is not working. my testsaslauthd tells me it's working with any user, but every time I try it with postfix I get a relay denied and auth failed |
| 18:36.42 | streuner | synx: how about rsnapshot? |
| 18:36.48 | selim | somehow it seems that postfix does not deliver the request to saslauthd |
| 18:36.49 | synx | avzHPAX means "kitchen sink, verbose, compress, hard links, progress bar, and also some obscure insane filesystem metadata" |
| 18:37.08 | \amethyst | synx: and keep partial files |
| 18:37.17 | Deepa | ugh |
| 18:37.23 | synx | compress is only helpful if you're going over a network connection. It'll just slow you down if you're going from one HD to the other on the same machine. |
| 18:37.23 | Deepa | I broke sdb1 with my incomplete DD :D |
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| 18:37.37 | enouf | you all forgot one major one -- the --one-filesystem option |
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| 18:37.41 | synx | oh right partial files too. |
| 18:37.43 | synx | -P = --partial --progress |
| 18:38.00 | vlt | s/progress bar/progress bar and keep partial files/ |
| 18:38.11 | synx | ...you had something on sdb1? |
| 18:38.12 | vlt | is a little slow today |
| 18:38.28 | synx | I thought you were overwriting the sdb disk Deepa. |
| 18:38.41 | qquick | enouf: It is not booting from the USB. Jut trying to mount it. It boots from the drive but can't read the partition table until the ql2XXX driver is loaded. The usb drive module allocates the usb as sda. Which should be the internal drive. |
| 18:38.57 | Deepa | I were, but I can't mounti t now :P |
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| 18:39.08 | Deepa | Realized that I'll be waiting DAYS for the dd to complete |
| 18:39.09 | \amethyst | Deepa: mkfs it again |
| 18:39.24 | enouf | qquick: mounting an externally plugged in HDD has nothing to do with booting |
| 18:39.26 | hanibana | enouf: did u get my pastebin? |
| 18:39.27 | synx | Yeah mkfs |
| 18:39.34 | enouf | hanibana: no |
| 18:39.38 | synx | mkfs.xfs......... |
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| 18:39.47 | hanibana | ok sorry! http://pastebin.com/f4cd87aec |
| 18:39.51 | synx | not that I'm biased |
| 18:40.16 | Deepa | xfs? I'm happy with ext3 :P |
| 18:40.17 | halflife08 | hello folks is there a way to config the resolution vino allows the clients to view it at . i am running at 1600, but the vncviewer on another linux/windows boxes see it at a lower resolution |
| 18:40.38 | bittin_ | i tought ext4 and ext2 was what ppl runned nowdays |
| 18:40.52 | synx | qquick: mount sda, load the ql2XXX driver from it into the kernel, then mount the real USB drive. Then backup your data and reformat it into something sane. :p |
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| 18:41.05 | newsense | can anyone recommend a cli app to burn some mp3's to a dvd ? |
| 18:41.07 | synx | they have ext4 now? |
| 18:41.20 | vlt | newsense: wodim |
| 18:41.33 | enouf | hanibana: apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 18:41.38 | newsense | vlt: thank you |
| 18:41.46 | bittin_ | synx: actully they do |
| 18:41.50 | synx | ext2 is not good to run except on read-only media, since it's got no journaling. |
| 18:41.51 | hanibana | enouf: ok ! |
| 18:41.54 | \amethyst | bittin_: ext3 is probably more common than ext2 these days, since it's been the default for many distributions for some time |
| 18:42.09 | synx | newsense: dvd+rw-tools |
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| 18:42.18 | Deepa | Yo bittin |
| 18:42.23 | bittin_ | Hello |
| 18:42.25 | synx | Yeah I like ext3 and xfs. Don't know about ext4 but I bet it's awesome. |
| 18:42.30 | newsense | synx: thank you as well |
| 18:42.38 | bittin_ | with ext2 i more meant usb-sticks tough :p |
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| 18:42.51 | hanibana | enouf: it takes 3 min ! and after that? ;) |
| 18:43.04 | maligor | synx, ext4 is pretty much ext3 with extents, heh |
| 18:43.09 | enouf | hanibana: restart your X session and check glxinfo again |
| 18:43.24 | synx | And ext3 is ext2 with journalling |
| 18:43.38 | hanibana | enouf: OK, sure. Thanks. u r there, huh? |
| 18:43.51 | enouf | i'm here, yes |
| 18:43.53 | bittin_ | why did i start this boring conversation :( |
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| 18:44.14 | synx | ooh ext4 also has 64 bit disk address support |
| 18:44.14 | qquick | enouf: synx: My machine works fine if I plug the usb drive in after boot. But if I need to reboot with the drive plugged in It trys to mount the usb drive as the root filesystem. I think I just need it to load the qla2xx module after the usb. |
| 18:44.28 | synx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 |
| 18:44.30 | enouf | qquick: tell your BIOS to lay off |
| 18:44.37 | qquick | QQuick : Oops I mean before the usb. |
| 18:44.38 | synx | one step closer to that dyson sphere! |
| 18:44.53 | \amethyst | synx: does ext2 support dir_index these days? |
| 18:45.03 | \amethyst | synx: because that was another difference in ext3 |
| 18:45.09 | enouf | qquick: actually - tell your BIOS to fuck* off |
| 18:45.32 | enouf | and complain to your OEM if you can't |
| 18:45.36 | synx | what's dir_index? |
| 18:45.56 | enouf | synx: makes looking up files in dirs faster |
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| 18:46.11 | enouf | synx: for when you have dirs with many files/dirs |
| 18:46.41 | synx | huh never heard of it enouf. |
| 18:46.46 | qquick | enouf: It's a sparc machine with a fibre channel card. It is definitly not the bios. It boots from the internal drive but needs the qla2xxx driver to read the partition table |
| 18:46.51 | synx | amethys |
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| 18:47.00 | synx | \amethyst: your backslash makes me angry :< |
| 18:47.08 | hanibana | enouf: I am going to restart X... |
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| 18:47.44 | enouf | synx: http://ext2.sourceforge.net/2005-ols/paper-html/node3.html |
| 18:47.48 | \amethyst | synx: think of it as a ctrl-g |
| 18:47.51 | \amethyst | synx: :) |
| 18:48.02 | synx | when I echo \amethyst's name my computer beeps at me |
| 18:48.26 | rhodescus | \amethyst: does mine beep? |
| 18:48.33 | rhodescus | nope |
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| 18:48.49 | \amethyst | not with bash unless you shopt -s xpg_echo |
| 18:49.06 | \amethyst | (and you have to quote it lest the \a become just a) |
| 18:49.11 | ma3x | what's the usual refresh time most nameservers have? for eg. if you nslookup a host and it changes, how many minutes does it take till you get the new info? 2 mins or 30 mins? |
| 18:49.32 | rhodescus | ma3x: depends on the time to live for the record |
| 18:49.45 | rhodescus | ma3x: it used to be 3 to 7 days for long-lived records |
| 18:49.52 | _awe_ | http://www.mekwa.org |
| 18:49.59 | ma3x | what's the normal ttl? |
| 18:50.10 | rhodescus | ma3x: now some ISP's set it to a half hour or something. |
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| 18:50.32 | ma3x | how can you look this up? |
| 18:50.46 | Thurin1 | What would be the package that contains "adduser" as opposed to "useradd" --- .. I don't have apt-get... |
| 18:51.00 | rhodescus | ma3x: dig <hostname> |
| 18:51.23 | rhodescus | ma3x the second-to-last is the number of seconds for ttl, I believe: check the man |
| 18:51.27 | ma3x | san.yahoo.com. 1800 IN A 68.180.206.184 |
| 18:51.28 | hanibana | enouf: direct rendering is still No. But, my smplayer fullscreen playback improved, i think. |
| 18:51.29 | ma3x | is that half an hour? |
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| 18:51.38 | enouf | Thurin1: adduser |
| 18:51.54 | Thurin1 | enouf: ok... do you know what website has the tar/archive? |
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| 18:52.09 | rhodescus | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: |
| 18:52.10 | Thurin1 | I can't seem to find the source archives :( |
| 18:52.10 | rhodescus | chrisrhodes.net. 180 IN SOA ns.phx1.nearlyfreespeech.net. hostmaster.nearlyfreespeech.net. 1227329888 600 180 86400 180 |
| 18:52.15 | enouf | hanibana: you might need to tweak your xorg.conf .. are you using Lenny? uname -r says? |
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| 18:52.49 | enouf | Thurin1: ~$ apt-cache showsrc adduser |
| 18:53.00 | Thurin1 | I don't have apt-get |
| 18:53.04 | hanibana | enouf: uname -a : Linux horizon 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux . |
| 18:53.08 | hanibana | yes I use lenny |
| 18:53.09 | enouf | !tell Thurin1 -about deb-src |
| 18:53.14 | rhodescus | ma3x: that's what dig should report |
| 18:53.18 | enouf | Thurin1: so use aptitude |
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| 18:53.33 | ma3x | thanks |
| 18:53.40 | hanibana | enouf: how tweak? |
| 18:53.41 | Thurin1 | I'm not using debian I'm using a source based distro I made - which eventually will have apt.. but not at the moment. -- I ask here because Debian users usually tend to be knowledgeable |
| 18:53.44 | hanibana | add what> |
| 18:53.46 | hanibana | ? |
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| 18:54.05 | Thurin1 | Anyways thanks.. I'll continue to google for the source |
| 18:54.12 | Thurin1 | Is there an http for the debian source tree? |
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| 18:54.14 | hanibana | enouf: any clue or doc....? |
| 18:54.20 | enouf | hanibana: hrm .. i'm not certain - but google around - "man intel" .. see wiki.x.org and wiki.debian.org |
| 18:54.22 | Thurin1 | nevermind.. im sure there is |
| 18:54.43 | \amethyst | Thurin1: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/adduser |
| 18:54.48 | Thurin1 | thanks :) |
| 18:55.20 | qquick | So, does anyone know how to change the boot order of kernel modules ? |
| 18:55.25 | hanibana | enouf: OK, very thanks for ur help. :) . I love this OS and its community. Thanks all . |
| 18:55.31 | zachtib | could someone help me out? I'm building a minimal lenny image with live-helper, and it's throwing an error saying that apt-utils can't be authenticated and that --force-yes wasn't used |
| 18:55.33 | enouf | hanibana: also - /msg dpkg dual monitors (follow the urls that teach you about xrandr ) |
| 18:55.42 | hanibana | ok |
| 18:55.51 | enouf | hanibana: should be easy - ask in ##linux as well |
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| 18:56.18 | Tuxist | hi |
| 18:56.21 | enouf | hanibana: maybe even review mail at debian-x mailing list |
| 18:56.26 | hanibana | enouf: asked one time... but try again.,,, |
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| 18:56.39 | hanibana | ok ok |
| 18:57.01 | enouf | hanibana: go to lists.debian.org - you should easily have dri on that thing, IINM |
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| 18:57.47 | hanibana | ok sure |
| 18:58.03 | hanibana | thanks |
| 18:58.09 | Tuxist | i have trouble with kerberos and nfs http://paste.debian.net/27733/ |
| 18:58.28 | Tuxist | pam and ldap kerberos works on server and client |
| 18:59.38 | enouf | hanibana: focus also on the (EE) lines in your Xorg.0.log |
| 18:59.57 | hanibana | ok |
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| 19:01.01 | enouf | hanibana: err ... (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so wtf? |
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| 19:01.21 | enouf | hanibana: place a line in your xorg.conf that says Driver intel |
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| 19:01.50 | hanibana | enouf: you mean it uses wrong driver? |
| 19:02.00 | enouf | hanibana: you're using the vesa driver - that will never do DRI :-) |
| 19:02.04 | enouf | hanibana: yes! |
| 19:02.18 | HD|3 | .oO( crappy xorg autoconf again? ) |
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| 19:02.37 | hanibana | enouf: DRI = direct rendering...? |
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| 19:02.44 | enouf | hanibana: yes |
| 19:02.47 | enouf | !dri |
| 19:02.48 | dpkg | somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
| 19:02.53 | ricoshady | how do I force overwrites with cp -R ? |
| 19:03.30 | \amethyst | ricoshady: -f probably: "if an existing destination file cannot be opened, remove it and try again" |
| 19:03.40 | \amethyst | ricoshady: that won't remove directories, though |
| 19:03.45 | enouf | hanibana: directly below this line> Identifier "Configured Video Device" add a new line that says; |
| 19:03.50 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.59 | ricoshady | \amethyst, force doesnt do it |
| 19:04.02 | hanibana | ok |
| 19:04.25 | \amethyst | ricoshady: what is the problem exactly? |
| 19:04.27 | enouf | hanibana: there;s lots of options you can toy with - after this |
| 19:04.38 | \amethyst | ricoshady: what isn't being overwritten? |
| 19:04.58 | ricoshady | \amethyst im using cp and it overwrites, but it asks me fore every file |
| 19:05.07 | ricoshady | -f doesnt change that |
| 19:05.07 | enouf | hanibana: man intel should list many specific to your card - man xorg.conf |
| 19:05.21 | ricoshady | it works, but im coping a lot of files |
| 19:05.30 | ricoshady | dont want to hit y for each file |
| 19:05.32 | \amethyst | ricoshady: what does type cp say? |
| 19:05.59 | hanibana | enouf: wow! thanks! great manual... man intel !! |
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| 19:06.20 | hanibana | enouf: I added that line. Now restart X ? |
| 19:06.29 | enouf | hanibana: yes |
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| 19:07.32 | \amethyst | ricoshady: I suspect you have an alias cp='cp -i'; unlike with mv and rm, cp -f doesn't override -i |
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| 19:08.17 | hanibana | enouf: It's YES ! thank u.... very thanks... I did NOT think that be such easy.... |
| 19:08.30 | hanibana | THANKS * 10000000 |
| 19:08.35 | hanibana | :-* |
| 19:08.39 | hanibana | ;) |
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| 19:08.44 | holo | hi |
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| 19:09.20 | holo | how can I download and install intime downloaded packages at the same time? |
| 19:09.36 | hanibana | enouf: so, why it used that wrong driver? |
| 19:09.55 | \amethyst | ricoshady: you can either unalias it; or avoid alias expansion by quoting "cp"; or explicitly run /bin/cp |
| 19:10.15 | holo | so if x needs y and z packages, it will download y and z, install each one of them while downloading x for example |
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| 19:11.53 | rhodescus | holo: if you're using the synaptics package manager, it should tell you it needs to download dependencies, then download and install them in proper order. |
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| 19:12.08 | rhodescus | holo: it does that for you. |
| 19:12.48 | holo | rhodescus, synaptics you mean? aptitude or apt downloads everything first, and only then installs. |
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| 19:12.57 | simonrvn | not just synaptic |
| 19:13.05 | simonrvn | no not synaptics |
| 19:13.16 | rhodescus | holo: they all get the packages before installing |
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| 19:13.27 | qqquick | Sorry my laptop runout of battery. |
| 19:13.31 | simonrvn | the latter is a completely different package |
| 19:13.32 | rhodescus | holo: that's to make sure the packages are available before starting the install |
| 19:13.48 | rhodescus | holo: and it is just 'synaptic', sorry. |
| 19:13.53 | qqquick | So, Does anyone know how to change the load order of kernel modules on boot ? |
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| 19:14.50 | simonrvn | qqquick: /etc/modules |
| 19:15.05 | holo | rhodescus, yes I know, but it would be very convenient to install some things while downloading others |
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| 19:15.24 | rhodescus | holo: yeah, but the standard install programs aren't built that way. |
| 19:15.36 | simonrvn | holo: it doesn't work that way |
| 19:15.38 | holo | this computer ha a really slow cpu, so it takes as much time installing as downloading |
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| 19:15.41 | holo | ok |
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| 19:15.47 | J-roen | Hi. I have a problem. My BIOS supports wake on time. This never works when I shutdown from Debian (normal or single-user mode doesn't matter), but it actually always works when I halt from Grub. I already disabled the hardware clock saving shutdown script. What could be the cause of this? |
| 19:16.59 | rhodescus | holo: if the computer/network is that slow, you're better off building the install cdroms on a fast connection. |
| 19:17.15 | qqquick | simonrvn: I did look there it's empty. I thought there must be another file |
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| 19:17.40 | rhodescus | holo: if it is just a slow computer, I'd just go to lunch |
| 19:17.52 | holo | rhodescus, the download times are normal.. its just a 400mhz celeron |
| 19:18.01 | holo | hehe |
| 19:18.09 | rhodescus | holo: ah, yeah, not enough cpu cache. :) |
| 19:18.23 | rhodescus | holo: been there, done that. Take a lunch break. |
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| 19:18.48 | simonrvn | you sure you got the right file? and you probably eith a) have them load from your initrd b) from discover or udev . if they're not built-in, you can do it from that file, if not, i don't know how, but it is possible to a limited extent as i recall. |
| 19:18.59 | holo | i would.. unfortunately i just got this job 4 days ago.. didnt have time yet to fill the fridge |
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| 19:19.14 | enouf | hanibana: well, vesa isn't really wrong .. it's just the basic one for all video |
| 19:19.36 | rhodescus | holo: put on an mp3 player and lean back. |
| 19:20.01 | holo | :) |
| 19:20.05 | hanibana | enouf: ok, but why Debian/Linux does NOT use the exact one by default? |
| 19:20.13 | enouf | hanibana: but, i would think the autogenerated xorg.conf would know it's an intel chipset, and load that one - maybe you installed xorg in stages, or originally installed with no DE |
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| 19:21.40 | hanibana | enouf: I tweaked its some other time for my gsynaptics touchpad driver... |
| 19:21.41 | enouf | hanibana: you'd have to retrace your steps - it should load intel - maybe file an installation bug report |
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| 19:21.58 | hanibana | OK sure.... |
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| 19:22.30 | enouf | hanibana: see reportbug pkg - and this; http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html |
| 19:22.47 | hanibana | ok |
| 19:23.13 | rebecka | Why is X using 96 % of my cpu when it's doing close to nothing? I'm on debian lenny with the intel driver (910 GL) and this bothers me... |
| 19:23.15 | enouf | ahh .. nice, there;s a "installation-report" pkg |
| 19:23.25 | hanibana | enouf: as far as I remember, Lenny did NOT have an Xorg.conf file after installation.... |
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| 19:23.43 | enouf | hanibana: it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:23.55 | enouf | hanibana: and it would be very minimally populated |
| 19:23.56 | hanibana | enouf: yes, I know |
| 19:24.12 | hanibana | enouf: It did NOT have it. |
| 19:24.14 | hanibana | I am sure. |
| 19:24.17 | enouf | hanibana: CaPiTaLs matter on GNU/Linux ;-) |
| 19:24.36 | hanibana | enouf: yes, ... |
| 19:24.51 | hanibana | enouf: I copied its skeleton from some place,,, |
| 19:25.03 | hanibana | to override some of its settings.... |
| 19:25.21 | g0rd0n | i'm trying to use sed to replace some text... but it does not like \n... how can i get sed to like \n? |
| 19:25.33 | dustybin | im going to take a wild guess, i think it will say 110 |
| 19:25.37 | dustybin | checks |
| 19:26.03 | dustybin | oh dear. Number concerning the next release: 126 |
| 19:26.17 | enouf | hanibana: i'm not sure what's supposed to happen , but Xorg -configure would generate one |
| 19:26.21 | enouf | !drxx |
| 19:26.21 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
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| 19:29.37 | rebecka | ok... my Xserver is using 96 % of my cpu resources, this bothers me... things are completely unresponsive... I'm on lenny with the intel driver (910 GL) please help? |
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| 19:30.59 | Vasistha | how can I print a (nicely formatted with bold etc) manpage to stdout instead of sending it to a pager? |
| 19:31.05 | Eulex | rebecka, some program is causing it to use that, find it and stop it from doing that |
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| 19:32.23 | rebecka | Eulex: htop tells me X is using 94.7 % of CPU and I do not know how else to figure out what's happening, any ideas? |
| 19:32.25 | simonrvn | use top, iotop, htop, whatever |
| 19:32.42 | rebecka | simonrvn: ---^ |
| 19:32.46 | simonrvn | well, you probably have some ogl or sdl app running |
| 19:33.09 | simonrvn | only times i see x run around 100% cpu |
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| 19:33.38 | rebecka | simonrvn: amarok konsole kde konqueror, no ogl there; nor any sdl. |
| 19:33.43 | Vasistha | I remember seeing that when a web browed was having trouble with a font or something, and making absurd calls to X to render that font or whatever it was |
| 19:33.48 | simonrvn | or, a really crap driver ;p |
| 19:33.51 | Vasistha | web *browser |
| 19:34.00 | rebecka | simonrvn: quite likely... |
| 19:34.11 | simonrvn | amarok might, the visualizer plugins do |
| 19:34.26 | simonrvn | mm, yeh, that can too |
| 19:34.37 | Vasistha | oh yeah! it was a huge google spreadsheet where 20 people were editing the thing, and I was using opera |
| 19:34.47 | simonrvn | heh |
| 19:34.49 | Eulex | rebecka, try shutting down stuff one by one perhaps? |
| 19:35.08 | rebecka | simonrvn: this seems to occur every time X+kde is left running for more than 3h, also killing amarok has had no effect. |
| 19:35.21 | Vasistha | windows/ie users didn't have any trouble. I don't recall whether FF did any better |
| 19:35.27 | simonrvn | mm, ok. |
| 19:36.15 | rebecka | ooh, it's running quite hot now... |
| 19:36.36 | Vasistha | yeah, computers run hot when the cpu is pegged :) |
| 19:36.47 | rebecka | Vasistha: nk... |
| 19:37.50 | rebecka | now konqueror is killed to, there was a considerable delay between kill and window deletion... |
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| 19:38.17 | simonrvn | hm, maybe a plugin? konq runs a separate process for plugins |
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| 19:38.31 | rebecka | I'll start killing off part by part of kde now, still no change... |
| 19:38.37 | simonrvn | nspluginviewer or such |
| 19:39.02 | rebecka | simonrvn: there seems to be no such process running |
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| 19:39.36 | simonrvn | it wouldn't be now ;) |
| 19:40.26 | rebecka | simonrvn: you never know with nspluginviewer... it has a tendency to crash long after konqueror has been terminated... |
| 19:40.41 | simonrvn | that's true, heh |
| 19:41.12 | simonrvn | is curious to see what it is |
| 19:41.46 | qqquick | simonrvn: I've looked at the firmware. It seems to be loaded by udev in the initrd. So how easy is to change the boot order. I guess it would be easier to compile a kernel with the module built in. |
| 19:42.45 | simonrvn | qqquick: hm, modding the module order in /etc/initramfs-tools/ would do it too. |
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| 19:44.13 | rebecka | by damn... shuld I maybe harass #intel-grfx with this to? |
| 19:44.44 | simonrvn | 'too'. sure, wouldn't hurt. |
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| 19:46.53 | rebecka | simonrvn: I'll try that then. (btw. english is so not my primary language, it's not even my secondary...) |
| 19:47.10 | simonrvn | that's ok, it isn't mine either ;). |
| 19:47.31 | simonrvn | (and it's a minor typo, too) |
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| 19:51.26 | qqquick | simonrvn: It seems all modules are set to load automatically. I guess that means I would have to list every module I need loaded. Will it load them in file order ? |
| 19:51.39 | blxd | damn compiz fusion with indirect rendering w/ nvidia is so much faster |
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| 19:52.08 | simonrvn | qqquick: order you put them in yes. though you only need to put the ones you need to change, not all of them, as it'll auto-add the rest. |
| 19:52.29 | simonrvn | (set the auto option correctly) |
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| 19:57.12 | helo | what do i need to do so that /etc/fstab will recognize hostnames in smbfs format? //servername/share just gives me : mount error: could not find target server. TCP name servername/share not found |
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| 19:58.48 | abrotman | helo: you mean need to add wins to your /etc/hosts |
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| 19:58.58 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 19:58.58 | abrotman | DUH |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | hits the back of his head |
| 19:59.04 | abrotman | helo: you mean need to add wins to your /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 19:59.49 | hanibana | enouf: hi, u was right. The generated xorg.conf by that command used intel driver. See http://pastebin.com/f5ab01836 |
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| 20:01.12 | workPragmatist | is it possible to make rsync add the remote host key instead of it just bitching about it? |
| 20:01.44 | hanibana | enouf: but, there's an error about PCI ID 0.2.1 : (WW) intel: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found. hwinfo says its the ID of Display Controller. What that means? |
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| 20:04.09 | helo | that never works... bah |
| 20:04.12 | rebecka | simonrvn: it seems switching to a VT an logging in makes all issues go away for about 5 min... confusion is setting in... I'm typing from a VT now but I would enjoy beeing able to use X for more than 5 minutes at a time. |
| 20:04.40 | helo | X is overrated... |
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| 20:05.09 | stoned | heh |
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| 20:05.43 | rebecka | helo: indeed, screen just saved my day! |
| 20:06.14 | helo | this is ridiculous... i drag files over to my thumb drive window in gnome, wait 30 seconds or more, and when i remount the drive, the file data was never copied over :/ |
| 20:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, no stew here |
| 20:06.53 | stoned | huh?? |
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| 20:07.23 | simonrvn | rebecka: wtf? |
| 20:07.37 | helo | i understand that some async file transfer is nice for UI responsiveness, but what is the point of spreading the copy of a few KB out longer than a couple seconds? |
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| 20:07.42 | abrotman | helo: do you do anything prior to removing the drive? |
| 20:07.52 | rebecka | simonrvn: wtf indeed... |
| 20:07.52 | abrotman | or just rip it out? |
| 20:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | helo, unmount it properly? |
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| 20:08.48 | helo | should thumb drives mount with noasync? |
| 20:08.52 | simonrvn | sync;sync;sync; and unmount it |
| 20:08.56 | abrotman | you still need to unmount it |
| 20:09.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | helo, I had one usb stick whose performance went down *dramatically* with noasync |
| 20:09.25 | abrotman | when you umount the device, it will sync it .. but if you rip it without syncing .. the data likely wouldn't be there, even if you did mount it async |
| 20:09.35 | abrotman | erm .. mount it sync |
| 20:09.46 | helo | is there a gnomish umount? |
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| 20:10.08 | abrotman | right click on the volume |
| 20:10.16 | abrotman | i think there's an eject/remove safely thing |
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| 20:10.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I already asked you before, but seems you were gone... I traced a segfault of python on my system to a version-patchlevel change in python that should essentially just change the site-specific searchpath... |
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| 20:10.57 | hanibana_ | enouf: I think I did NOT recieved ur recent messages. :( |
| 20:11.40 | enouf | rebecka: try altering you kde settings in kcontrol (k control center) especially the cache, and memory hog ones |
| 20:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | which makes me think it might be some non-debian crap somewhere that really causes the segfault - should I still submit a bug report? (I moved the main suspect /usr/local away, but the segfault still happens) |
| 20:11.59 | enouf | hanibana_: /me was afk - now back |
| 20:12.21 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: wtf did you ask me? :) |
| 20:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I just repeated the question :) |
| 20:12.36 | hanibana_ | /enouf |
| 20:12.37 | enouf | hanibana_: that pciid is for your external hookup |
| 20:12.43 | alsd | CutMeOwnThroat: sometimes a script can cause python to segfault |
| 20:12.56 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: always segfault the same place? |
| 20:13.06 | rebecka | enouf: memory usage seems to be stable at about 226 megs (the box has 1 G) the issue is with cpu usage, would this help? |
| 20:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | on the other hand, when I asked someone here to reproduce, it didn't segfault for him |
| 20:13.19 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: and there is a #debian-python on oftc |
| 20:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, yes - picasa segfaults on fingerprinting |
| 20:13.28 | enouf | hanibana_: look at your lspci -v output you pasted - find 00:02.0 and 00:02.1 |
| 20:13.32 | abrotman | picasa the google thing? |
| 20:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 20:13.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry |
| 20:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | picard - the music tagger thing (there's a package) |
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| 20:14.03 | enouf | rebecka: that wasn't my point, nor the settings i mentioned - it's the KSysCokeHead shit .. perhaps |
| 20:14.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders if he can claim picasa was an incorrect autocomplete |
| 20:14.34 | g0rd0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.34 | g0rd0n | sed: -e expression #1, char 35: unknown option to `s' |
| 20:14.36 | g0rd0n | why is that? :( |
| 20:14.53 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: btw, that "no" last night wasn't personal (WRT you asking me for a shell here, though i do note you were probably kidding :)) |
| 20:14.59 | enouf | rebecka: btw = kde4? or 3.5.9? |
| 20:15.09 | abrotman | g0rd0n: #sed perhaps? |
| 20:15.16 | g0rd0n | abrotman: sorry |
| 20:15.18 | adama_ | g0rd0n: you have way too many / in there. escape them like \/ ? |
| 20:15.20 | alsd | g0rd0n: you use way too many / |
| 20:15.25 | enouf | rebecka: kill kde and use a WM for a few hours, isolate the cause |
| 20:15.33 | g0rd0n | oh |
| 20:15.34 | g0rd0n | what an idiot |
| 20:15.35 | g0rd0n | lol |
| 20:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, what I wonder is, is it generally better to still submit a bugreport or not |
| 20:15.55 | alsd | adama_: got me ;) |
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| 20:16.00 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: can you isolate it enough to be useful ? |
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| 20:16.10 | adama_ | mwahahaha. coffee is paying off today |
| 20:16.30 | simonrvn | g0rd0n: use a different separator |
| 20:16.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, heh, you offered me bash or sh :) when everyone knows that only sash would have been useful ;) |
| 20:16.49 | simonrvn | like , or # or ^ or .... |
| 20:17.02 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: hehe |
| 20:17.50 | alsd | simonrvn: you can do that with sed too? i thought only perl allowed that |
| 20:18.25 | simonrvn | of course. might be gnu sed only though. |
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| 20:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, dunno, I tracked it down to the version change from 2.5.2-1 to 2.5.2-2 and changelog says Use site.addsitedir() to add directories in /usr/local to sys.path (which would be useful if it wouldn't confuse the hell outta me) |
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| 20:19.15 | simonrvn | sys.path si where python looks for libraries |
| 20:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | python 2.5.2-1 to 2.5.2-2, that is - doesn't seem to matter which version of picasa |
| 20:19.21 | simonrvn | is |
| 20:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 20:19.42 | simonrvn | what's the confusion then? |
| 20:19.44 | alsd | CutMeOwnThroat: picasa, the google thing? ;) |
| 20:19.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I compared the paths and they are pretty much identical |
| 20:20.08 | alsd | doesn't quite get it |
| 20:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsd, hell... it's an autocomplete error! picard, picard, picard |
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| 20:20.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | my brain incorrectly autocompletes things... |
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| 20:21.58 | alsd | CutMeOwnThroat: upgrade it, there is a new one in experimental. hum or does it? |
| 20:22.10 | rebecka | enouf: sorry 'bout the delay; kde 3.5.9. |
| 20:22.10 | abrotman | you shouldn't just upgrade python |
| 20:22.19 | abrotman | well .. not the system default anyways |
| 20:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsd, as I said the picard version doesn't seem to matter - I tried the experimental one |
| 20:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, upgrade python |
| 20:23.00 | rebecka | enouf: wtf |
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| 20:23.15 | rebecka | sorry scroll fail... |
| 20:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf |
| 20:23.51 | ma3x | can you launch firefox via sshx? |
| 20:23.54 | ma3x | (iceweasel) |
| 20:24.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyt ma3x |
| 20:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit |
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| 20:24.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti ma3x |
| 20:24.26 | dpkg | Why don't you just try it, ma3x? |
| 20:24.30 | enouf | haha |
| 20:25.17 | rebecka | enouf: tried using wmii, the problem seems to be persistient (X is at 67 % and rising) |
| 20:25.33 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: where's the j ? |
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| 20:25.59 | enouf | rebecka: but was ALL of kde dead? |
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| 20:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, hehe... adding a j would be excessive typing |
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| 20:26.19 | enouf | heh |
| 20:26.57 | rebecka | enouf: I killed it the best I could (restarted the xserver and such) so I belive so. |
| 20:27.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | always made me wonder why people would ask/discuss about something for 10 minutes, that they could try in 2 minutes |
| 20:27.17 | ma3x | how do i see which process uses most of the hard disk? |
| 20:27.32 | rebecka | enouf: I might add that I'm using gdm if that makes any difference anywhere... |
| 20:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ma3x, how does a process "use the harddisk"? |
| 20:27.59 | enouf | rebecka: you need to check with top/htop, ps, pstree |
| 20:28.02 | ma3x | heh, it makes that processing sound |
| 20:28.06 | ma3x | crrr crrrrr |
| 20:28.16 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: come on! use your imagination, or esp or something! What's wrong with you! |
| 20:28.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ma3x, you mean which process causes most writes? there's iotop in lenny |
| 20:28.33 | ma3x | yes |
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| 20:28.43 | enouf | ma3x: use old reman ones like i have, they're LOUD as all heck |
| 20:28.43 | ma3x | i dont have that installed |
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| 20:28.51 | themill | !installit |
| 20:28.51 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 20:28.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, sorry, had a glass of wine last week - that pretty much ruins my psycic abilities for 10 days or so |
| 20:29.02 | ma3x | im unable, it's so hardly used by some process |
| 20:29.13 | ma3x | i can barely run top |
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| 20:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ma3x, well, what does top tell you... |
| 20:29.44 | enouf | ma3x: sounds like your cron.daily scripts are running |
| 20:29.46 | themill | so why are you trying to run firefox? oh, nm.... |
| 20:30.06 | ma3x | what should i look at top?res? shr? |
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| 20:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ma3x, if things are very slow, it might be swapping - look for kswapd in top (if it appears at all) |
| 20:30.14 | alsd | ma3x: seems like your computer is thrashing (no more free RAM) then |
| 20:30.15 | enouf | especially the updatedb and find ones |
| 20:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's that damn a2 bot, btw? |
| 20:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks to me its major task is to leave and automatically join again 2000 times a day |
| 20:30.43 | ma3x | yes kswapd is running |
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| 20:31.20 | alsd | CutMeOwnThroat: it tries proves it's alive i guess |
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| 20:33.30 | ma3x | what does this do? for i in `seq 1 15000000`; do some action .... |
| 20:33.48 | themill | ma3x: man seq ; man bash |
| 20:34.40 | ma3x | so it's gonna print from one to 150000000, every second? |
| 20:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ma3x, and that's more a question for #bash - and they'll tell you not to use seq |
| 20:35.24 | themill | htfswk? it depends on what "some action" is. |
| 20:35.33 | J-roen | Hi. I have a problem. My BIOS supports wake on time. This never works when I shutdown from Debian (normal or single-user mode doesn't matter), but it actually always works when I halt from Grub. I already disabled the hardware clock saving shutdown script. What could be the cause of this? |
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| 20:37.57 | rebecka | by damn, would anybody have any ideas as to how to make X *not* consume 90 % of my CPU under lenny using the intel driver (on a 910GL chip) (possible causes eliminated: kde, opengl, amarok, (sdl)). |
| 20:38.14 | abrotman | rebecka: did you try with vesa and see if it also happens ? |
| 20:38.24 | abrotman | rebecka: and how did you install X ? |
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| 20:39.54 | rebecka | abrotman: It does not occur with the vesa driver and if I remeber correctly x was installed with "aptitude install xserver-xorg" or something along those lines. |
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| 20:40.35 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg |
| 20:40.49 | peppe | rebecka: then is the intel driver itself |
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| 20:41.20 | peppe | or its kernel counterpart |
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| 20:41.55 | rebecka | abrotman: sorry, I should have added that this problem was not observed when X was first installed, but rather when I decided to use it as a desktop earlier today. |
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| 20:42.51 | abrotman | but does aptitude install xorg want to install anything? any hints in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? what does your /etc/X11/xorg.conf look like? |
| 20:43.48 | rebecka | abrotman: aptitude is not very fast at the moment (...) I'm checking. |
| 20:44.52 | alsd | rebecka: that's the X process taking all your cpu, or some other process? |
| 20:45.06 | rebecka | abrotman: indeed, some xfonts packages xorg-docs and xorg, should I install them? |
| 20:45.19 | rebecka | alsd: it's the X process. |
| 20:45.41 | abrotman | rebecka: yes |
| 20:46.04 | abrotman | rebecka: you can kill X first if you choose |
| 20:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsd, bots are alive? |
| 20:46.11 | rebecka | abrotman: Installing (might take a while...) |
| 20:46.15 | abrotman | so kill X first |
| 20:46.28 | rebecka | abrotman: I feel slightly stupid now. |
| 20:46.30 | zleap | hello |
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| 20:46.40 | rebecka | (it's dead now) |
| 20:46.40 | abrotman | rebecka: because you didn't kill X ? |
| 20:46.44 | zleap | ah iam still connected |
| 20:46.51 | alsd | CutMeOwnThroat: yes they are, slowly trying to take over the world while we don't look |
| 20:46.53 | rebecka | abrotman: indeed. |
| 20:46.59 | abrotman | rebecka: amazing how that helps eh? |
| 20:47.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsd, hell, so terminator I to IVXXXX were right |
| 20:47.29 | rebecka | abrotman: heh. |
| 20:48.01 | blxd | when installing nvidia's drivers should you also install and use Xgl? |
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| 20:48.55 | rebecka | abrotman: my console fu is low, how should I paste you the xorg.conf (btw. it's just like any other xorg.conf on lenny I've seen) |
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| 20:49.28 | hark | blxd: no |
| 20:49.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | rebecka, er... there is no xorg.conf in lenny (?) - at least xorg in lenny doesn't need one anymore |
| 20:49.41 | blxd | hark: thanks |
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| 20:50.09 | abrotman | rebecka: empty ? |
| 20:50.22 | themill | rebecka: if you have netcat installed, then: nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 < /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:51.02 | alsd | CutMeOwnThroat: not quite. they don't need to look like humans in fact. they just went along and took over the financial system lately. havent you seen the news lately? |
| 20:52.09 | keith4 | is there a "better" way to make sure ipmi modules load than to add them to /etc/modules? |
| 20:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsd, only looks human at the start of the film! (and guess we're being offtopic) |
| 20:52.17 | rebecka | abrotman: CutMeOwnThroat: The file containing "Configured <whatever>" is not supposed to be there? |
| 20:52.19 | keith4 | i'm rather surprised that discover didn't load them, i guess |
| 20:52.28 | abrotman | rebecka: are you IRCing from the box ? |
| 20:52.43 | rebecka | abrotman: yes. |
| 20:52.48 | abrotman | rebecka: /join #flood |
| 20:53.12 | n3kl | Is ext4 in lenny? |
| 20:53.13 | pobega | Does anyone know what the default xterm font is called? I'm trying to make it default to the 'medium' size of the font, but I don't know the font face |
| 20:53.29 | rebecka | abrotman: and paste away? |
| 20:53.41 | alsd | pobega: 'fixed' it is |
| 20:53.44 | dkr | pobega: fixed |
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| 20:56.35 | bahadunn | what's up suckas |
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| 20:56.46 | n3kl | what up suckka |
| 20:57.10 | Dan9311 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:57.56 | abrotman | can or can't ? |
| 20:58.16 | Dan9311 | Can't |
| 20:58.19 | bahadunn | abrotman: can or cant what? |
| 20:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hear anything! |
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| 20:58.38 | Dan9311 | Anything. |
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| 20:58.56 | abrotman | Dan9311: using alsa ? |
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| 20:59.19 | bahadunn | abrotman: how is the freaking weather man |
| 20:59.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dan9311, as a suspicion - modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 20:59.31 | abrotman | bahadunn: a balmy 28 or something today |
| 20:59.34 | bahadunn | abrotman: I bet it is like -2 or something |
| 20:59.36 | bahadunn | abrotman: ah |
| 20:59.39 | bahadunn | abrotman: not to bad then |
| 20:59.42 | keith4 | Dan9311: weird drumbeat? |
| 20:59.43 | abrotman | 28F |
| 20:59.46 | Dan9311 | Yes, I am using ALSA |
| 20:59.55 | Dan9311 | Yes, right before you login |
| 21:00.01 | keith4 | are you using ubuntu? |
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| 21:00.32 | bahadunn | abrotman: yeah I know 28F |
| 21:00.36 | bahadunn | abrotman: not to bad right? |
| 21:00.36 | Dan9311 | I think |
| 21:00.40 | bahadunn | abrotman: arent you use to that? |
| 21:00.44 | Dan9311 | What debian |
| 21:01.04 | Dan9311 | I'm using alsa for driver, pulse sound system |
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| 21:01.16 | abrotman | Dan9311: which version of debian is this? |
| 21:01.23 | keith4 | Dan9311: try #ubuntu |
| 21:01.39 | Dan9311 | Their are 1.5k people their, plus neither of them can help. |
| 21:01.45 | abrotman | Dan9311: which version of debian is this? |
| 21:01.57 | keith4 | it's ubuntu |
| 21:02.01 | Dan9311 | idk |
| 21:02.10 | Dan9311 | people said you could help |
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| 21:02.20 | keith4 | "people"? |
| 21:02.26 | abrotman | Dan9311: go to #ubuntu or ##linux .. we do not support ubuntu here |
| 21:02.31 | Dan9311 | "Friends" |
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| 21:03.00 | keith4 | Dan9311: well, they're wrong. debian doesn't use pulse audio |
| 21:03.06 | tmm1 | how can i get firefox3? |
| 21:03.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is pulse audio |
| 21:03.13 | abrotman | tmm1: which version of debian ? |
| 21:03.13 | keith4 | tmm1: iceweasel |
| 21:03.23 | tmm1 | iceweasel is firefox2 |
| 21:03.26 | tmm1 | i need firefox3 |
| 21:03.27 | abrotman | tmm1: which version of debian ? |
| 21:03.34 | abrotman | wonders if he banned himself |
| 21:03.36 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: its a network audio thing, like remote speakers kinda |
| 21:03.44 | tmm1 | etch |
| 21:03.51 | blxd | is iceweasel build 64-bit ? |
| 21:03.52 | abrotman | tmm1: you cannot have FF3 |
| 21:03.53 | KDE4000 | pulseaudio = stupid |
| 21:03.55 | n3kl | tmm1: so go to their website and download it |
| 21:04.04 | tmm1 | n3kl: i did, it doesn't run |
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| 21:04.14 | n3kl | tmm1: do it correctly |
| 21:04.19 | abrotman | you can't do it |
| 21:04.20 | tmm1 | n3kl: gee, thanks. |
| 21:04.21 | maligor | KDE4000, it has lots of good ideas |
| 21:04.22 | abrotman | it won't work .. |
| 21:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, aha :) thx |
| 21:04.35 | abrotman | FF3 requires a newer version of gtk than what etch has .. it won't run |
| 21:04.56 | themill | n3kl: ff3 is a pita to get to run on debian. If you want to support someone doing it, then perhaps doing so in a pm would be better than doing it in #debian. |
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| 21:05.21 | KDE4000 | maligor: it shouldent be a standard system until its stable |
| 21:05.23 | n3kl | themill: meh, ff3 is of little concern |
| 21:05.27 | KDE4000 | too much hassle |
| 21:05.58 | tmm1 | i just want to know how.. does anyone know which dependencies specificially are required? |
| 21:06.07 | tmm1 | other than gtk 2.10 |
| 21:06.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | tmm1, you could upgrade to lenny, if it's important enough for you... (anyways lenny is planned to become stable on Feb. 14) |
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| 21:06.50 | n3kl | tmm1: try google |
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| 21:07.03 | tmm1 | n3kl: i did, i wouldnt' be here if google had solved my problem. |
| 21:07.26 | abrotman | FF3 requires a newer version of gtk than what etch has .. it won't run |
| 21:07.47 | abrotman | and if oyu try to upgrade GTK .. probably create all sorts of other issues .. not worth it |
| 21:10.01 | n3kl | tmm1: lenny has been pretty stable for a while, and like CutMeOwnThroat says, its stable soon |
| 21:10.29 | tmm1 | i don't have time to upgrade a dozen production machines to lenny |
| 21:10.44 | tmm1 | stable as it might be, something will break |
| 21:10.45 | abrotman | but you have time to waste trying to make FF3 work ? |
| 21:10.49 | pobega | How do I permanently change xterm's font? |
| 21:11.20 | n3kl | pobega: I am sure there is a .rc file or something |
| 21:11.24 | Eulex | pobega, .Xdefaults |
| 21:11.57 | pobega | Eulex: I have the string (-*-*-etc) that I invoke with xterm -font <insert>, but I can't find any information exactly where it fits into .Xdefaults |
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| 21:13.29 | wiebel | pobega, more like ~/.Xresources -> "XTerm*Font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1" |
| 21:13.55 | pobega | wiebel: thanks, I guess I was looking at the wrong file. That works. |
| 21:14.05 | Eulex | http://lists.apple.com/archives/x11-users/2005/May/msg00112.html |
| 21:14.06 | wiebel | np |
| 21:14.26 | nick_h[litage] | are the hosts that you configure in ~/.ssh/config also available to scp? |
| 21:15.29 | themill | nick_h[litage]: yes |
| 21:15.48 | themill | nick_h[litage]: and also to sftp, rsync, cvs, svn, ... |
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| 21:16.18 | bahadunn | well its time for tea |
| 21:16.23 | bahadunn | later suckas |
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| 21:16.38 | nick_h[litage] | themill: awesome! thanks |
| 21:17.30 | niklauz | !tea me |
| 21:17.30 | dpkg | hands niklauz a nice frosty mug of tea with sugar and lemon. |
| 21:17.45 | niklauz | says mmmMMMmm.... |
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| 21:21.08 | wiebel | how can I manually remove a package? dpkg -p failed to remove moblock-control |
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| 21:21.49 | themill | how did it fail? (and where did that package come from?) |
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| 21:22.05 | jamon | moblock have their own repository |
| 21:22.12 | J-roen | Hi. I have a problem. My BIOS supports wake on time. This never works when I shutdown from Debian (normal or single-user mode doesn't matter), but it actually always works when I halt from Grub. I already disabled the hardware clock saving shutdown script. What could be the cause of this? |
| 21:22.33 | linguini | How do I get syslogd to listen to port 514? I can tell packets are headed to 514 using tcpdump, but /var/log/* doesn't show anything. |
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| 21:22.47 | wiebel | dpkg: error processing moblock-control (--purge): |
| 21:22.47 | wiebel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.48 | dpkg | wiebel: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 21:24.04 | wiebel | http://paste.debian.net/27742/ |
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| 21:24.16 | jamon | linguini: do you have a line in /etc/services? also i think it uses udp not tcp |
| 21:24.21 | linguini | I've tried editing /etc/init.d/sysklogd so that it has SYSLOGD="-r" , but that change doesn't seem to affect syslogd.. |
| 21:24.33 | linguini | jamon: I'll check. Yes, it uses UDP. |
| 21:24.55 | linguini | syslog 514/udp |
| 21:25.03 | themill | wiebel: that means their package is crap. Make sure you tell them that. |
| 21:25.07 | wiebel | It comes from "deb http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/debian sid main" |
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| 21:25.30 | wiebel | themill, i simply want to get rid of it ;) |
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| 21:26.46 | helo | is there a program that will let me print out a long skinny image (database E&R diagram) across multiple pages? |
| 21:26.49 | alsd | J-roen: i've been told it's because the kernel doesn't use the right ACPI state when shutting down. maybe there's some boot option to tell it so? dunno |
| 21:26.52 | themill | wiebel: try inserting "exit 0" into the second line of the prerm script for the package in /var/lib/dpkg/info/moblock-control.prerm |
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| 21:27.28 | rebecka | abrotman, enouf, simonrvn: *yaay* I just replaced gdm with kdm and booted into 2.6.28 X+kde+some assorted apps have been running now for about 7 min with no rise in CPU load, X is steady at 6% and all is well! thanks for your help and support in this time of slowness and hardships, you all rock! |
| 21:27.30 | dkr | helo: mpage - print multiple pages per sheet on PostScript printer |
| 21:27.33 | rebecka | abrotman, enouf, simonrvn: Should I report a bug somewhere or should I first determine more about the issue? |
| 21:28.18 | dkr | helo: actually not what you want, wrong way around, :) |
| 21:28.33 | wiebel | themill, thanks i got the feeling that that's what I was looking for |
| 21:28.37 | helo | yeah i was having trouble figuring out what "sheet" and "page" really mean there heh |
| 21:28.40 | jamon | linguini: looks like you could just run it with -r appended to the init script, no idea if that'll work or if it is a good iead htough |
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| 21:28.51 | jamon | s/iead/idea |
| 21:28.55 | helo | i suppose sheet is a physical piece of paper |
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| 21:29.55 | linguini | jamon: Thanks, yes, I think the -r is the problem. I tried doing 'sudo /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart', but the -r didn't seem to take effect. |
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| 21:30.29 | Thasp | i need libnl. i cannot find the package libnl in apt, and http://people.suug.ch/~tgr/libnl/ times out. where can I get libnl? |
| 21:30.36 | J-roen | alsd: Thanks. Any clue where I can find more information about this? |
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| 21:31.20 | wiebel | themill, yes it worked thx |
| 21:31.38 | themill | wiebel: no worries. make sure you tell them their packages were crap though... |
| 21:31.53 | themill | judd: versions libnl1 |
| 21:31.54 | judd | themill: libnl1 -- lenny: 1.1-2 sid: 1.1-3 |
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| 21:32.00 | themill | Thasp: ^^ ? |
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| 21:32.23 | holo | hi |
| 21:32.49 | Thasp | themill: weird, I have libnl1 already, but iw-0.9.7 says I do not, it fails when i try to compile it. |
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| 21:33.03 | themill | Thasp: you'll need a -dev package for compiling things |
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| 21:33.18 | Thasp | i have libnl-dev too themill |
| 21:33.40 | Deepa | I installed grub using grub-install --root-directory=/root/sdb/ /dev/sdb1 and when I try to boot it on my other computer it gets stuck at stage2 |
| 21:33.49 | themill | Thasp: perhaps you need to tell iw where to find the headers then. |
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| 21:34.37 | themill | Thasp: you realise that there's a debian package for iw in the repo already? It's only in experimental, but it might be a good place to start. |
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| 21:34.57 | valdyn | Deepa: you messed up that grub-install line |
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| 21:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | tmm1, I have to agree with abrotman there... trying to get your own custom gtk into etch might well be more effort than upgrading to lenny (which you'd want to do rather soon anyway) - of course, you can also just wait another 10 days until it's (hopefully) officially stable |
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| 21:36.19 | Deepa | valdyn, can I fix it from the grub console :P? |
| 21:36.44 | valdyn | Deepa: probably |
| 21:36.57 | Thasp | themill: I didn't notice, apt-get install iw didn't show a package |
| 21:37.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... great factoid "error processing" |
| 21:37.10 | valdyn | Deepa: i dont believe you can |
| 21:37.17 | Deepa | root (hd0) just gave 'Error 21: Selected disk does not exist' :( |
| 21:37.28 | rebecka | Thank you again #debian, I'll go enjoy a working Xserver now! |
| 21:37.38 | valdyn | Deepa: well, sdb is probably hd1 |
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| 21:38.00 | Deepa | root (hd1) just gave 'Error 21: Selected disk does not exist' :( |
| 21:38.02 | holo | when in apt.conf I specify my favorite distribution as testing, then install a package specifying -t unstable, i think it will install dependencies from testing when possible. how can i do this for the package's "recommends" and "suggests"? |
| 21:38.12 | Deepa | I fixed it using another computer, connected it through USB |
| 21:38.16 | fi9o | hi all |
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| 21:38.37 | jamon | linguini: ah, /etc/default/syslogd |
| 21:38.38 | Socah | Hello. Could someone help me with my alsa? My soundcard is not supported yet as far as I know, but before kernel update it worked fine with irqpoll option. All needed information are there: http://wklej.org/id/49202/ . And one thing more, I don't use debian, but I can't find help anywhere else, so I count on you :] |
| 21:38.44 | valdyn | Deepa: the root command takes partitions, not disks |
| 21:38.44 | Deepa | Pressing tab after writing root (, only comes up with fd0 |
| 21:39.00 | holo | Socah: there is an alsa support channel i think |
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| 21:39.07 | Deepa | well 0,1 1,1 etc did not exist either |
| 21:39.13 | Deepa | I only have one partition |
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| 21:39.39 | Socah | holo: I was looking in google, there is only mailing list as far as I know |
| 21:39.40 | valdyn | Deepa: well, your stabe file was not found, so it has no "drivers", your grub |
| 21:39.46 | valdyn | Deepa: *stage* |
| 21:39.54 | Deepa | Ah |
| 21:40.00 | Deepa | Time to plug back the drive and fix then :p |
| 21:40.21 | valdyn | Deepa: you wanted to install grub to a disk, not to a partition, i would guess |
| 21:40.35 | holo | Socah: ok... im not sure but one time i was helped in an alsa channel.. but maybe im wrong |
| 21:40.43 | Deepa | I'm putting the debian installer on the harddrive so I can install Debian |
| 21:40.52 | hark | Socah: #alsa |
| 21:41.20 | Socah | holo: thank you very much |
| 21:41.44 | wiebel | themill, I submitted a bug report |
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| 21:43.27 | Deepa|away | Sorry, closed down the wrong PC :P |
| 21:43.53 | Deepa|away | Oh well, now it's back into this PC |
| 21:43.55 | dusty | HEy guys I Have a really odd problem I Install dovecot from etc repos, then installed it from backports thinking it would just upgrade it but now i can't remove it: http://rafb.net/p/FUNvdf87.html how can i force remval of the dovecot packages and start a fresgh |
| 21:43.56 | dusty | ? |
| 21:43.57 | Deepa|away | What root directory should I have used? |
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| 21:44.38 | valdyn | dusty: start dovecot, then try again |
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| 21:45.25 | dusty | Starting Dovecot IMAP server...:Fatal: listen(143) failed: Address already in use |
| 21:45.27 | dusty | it is |
| 21:46.02 | valdyn | dusty: netstat -plunt | grep 143 |
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| 21:46.43 | dusty | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:46.44 | dusty | mail:/home/dusty# netstat -plunt | grep 143 |
| 21:46.44 | dusty | mail:/home/dusty# |
| 21:46.58 | Deepa|away | /dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 21:49.11 | valdyn | dusty: lsof -i tcp:143 |
| 21:49.48 | dusty | mail:/home/dusty# lsof -i tcp:143 |
| 21:49.48 | dusty | mail:/home/dusty# |
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| 21:52.27 | valdyn | dusty: lsof -i udp:143 |
| 21:52.49 | alsd | valdyn: consider sshing ;) |
| 21:52.59 | valdyn | alsd: guess i would |
| 21:53.16 | valdyn | dusty: you can also make the init script just do nothing alternatively |
| 21:53.44 | valdyn | dusty: probably like "cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/dovecot", but make sure you can reverse that |
| 21:54.10 | Deepa|away | Meh |
| 21:54.15 | Deepa|away | Now GRUB just gets stuck at "GRUB" |
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| 21:54.23 | Deepa|away | Oh and it has a space and then a blinking underline |
| 21:54.41 | micols | my ncurses programs renders weirdly when using Xft+truetype fonts (antialiased fonts in xterm , xterm -fa somefont , when they go over size 10 or so it renders weirdly, it seems to happen when the font goes bold - it usually looks bold above size 10), any idea how to fix this render error in xterm/ncurses? |
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| 21:55.17 | micols | i usually see a white trail to the right after the cursor in the ncurses applications with menus |
| 21:56.16 | Daemon_Byte | anyone know why "openssl req -new -outform PEM -out smtpd.cert \ -newkey rsa:2048 -nodes -keyout smtpd.key -keyform PEM \ -days 995 -x509" gives me the error "unknown option -newkey" even though it's there on the man page? |
| 21:57.05 | Deepa|away | Is it even possible to install GRUB on another harddrive for another computer? |
| 21:57.15 | valdyn | Deepa|away: booting usb-storage that is not booted like from a floppy image does that |
| 21:57.27 | pobega | Is there any way to change a group name without messing up the entire system? |
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| 21:57.33 | Deepa|away | But it's connected internally now and I can't boot from USB valdyn! |
| 21:57.54 | valdyn | Deepa|away: oh, you got that reversed |
| 21:58.01 | jamon | pobega: groupmod |
| 21:58.09 | themill | Daemon_Byte: get rid of the \ |
| 21:58.26 | Deepa|away | valdyn: I always do :p |
| 21:58.47 | Deepa|away | pobega: tell the dh people that algore will return shortly! |
| 21:58.58 | Daemon_Byte | thanks the-dude |
| 21:59.00 | Daemon_Byte | Grr |
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| 21:59.03 | themill | np |
| 21:59.04 | Daemon_Byte | Thanks themill |
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| 21:59.15 | Deepa|away | valdyn: what am I looking for? I couldn't find anything relevant at all in the manpage :p |
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| 21:59.22 | valdyn | Deepa|away: youre fucked, this doesnt work |
| 21:59.30 | Deepa|away | They said it would work! |
| 21:59.33 | valdyn | Deepa|away: hmm |
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| 21:59.38 | pobega | Deepa|away: wait what, how do you know I go to dh? |
| 21:59.46 | Deepa|away | pobega: I'm Tugboat |
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| 21:59.53 | Deepa|away | I accidently killed my server while installing NetBSD |
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| 22:00.01 | valdyn | Deepa|away: maybe you can feel grub by feeding it a momentarily wrong devices.map |
| 22:00.06 | bps | Deepa|away: HOW SOON? |
| 22:00.07 | valdyn | Deepa|away: *fool* |
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| 22:00.12 | pobega | Deepa|away: oh okay |
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| 22:00.17 | Deepa|away | bps: I'm recompiling it right now! |
| 22:00.24 | bps | cool |
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| 22:00.34 | Deepa|away | The machine that held AlGore last time fried the harddrive during my last attempt to install NetBSD :P |
| 22:00.35 | bps | I was going to replace him since you died and stuff |
| 22:00.56 | bps | AlGore self destruct sequence |
| 22:01.26 | Deepa|away | That PC really did not want NetBSD |
| 22:02.00 | Deepa|away | It's been somewhat around 2 months of trying and all my attempts keep on failing and because of the floppy failing I can't even install something useful anylonger :P |
| 22:02.10 | bps | AlGore achieved sentience |
| 22:02.23 | alsd | bps: it's decided so to save the planet |
| 22:02.36 | Deepa|away | Only to be replaced by a more powerful computer :P |
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| 22:02.56 | bps | yep |
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| 22:04.04 | Deepa|away | And when I get this PC alive I can launch up an AlGoreSr/Jr to minimize the effect of eventual downtime on my server |
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| 22:05.12 | alsd | Deepa|away: so that shutting up al gore is just a power switch away ? ;) |
| 22:06.08 | alsd | well hum |
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| 22:06.26 | alsd | next try maybe will be fun... err |
| 22:06.57 | Deepa|away | You never know when it's useful to have a host^H^H^H^Hclone to fall back on :-) |
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| 22:12.42 | paxcoder | what are /lib/init/rw and /dev/shm, and is any of those swap (if not where is it)? |
| 22:12.43 | Deepa|away | /usr/bin/ld: ../assoc.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 22:12.49 | Deepa|away | oh these obscure errors I get :/ |
| 22:14.07 | paxcoder | anyone? |
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| 22:14.58 | alsd | paxcoder: it's nowhere if not used, but can be in ram or swap |
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| 22:15.15 | alsd | paxcoder: it's dynamically allocated |
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| 22:15.33 | paxcoder | alsd: how come? i have a separate partition for it |
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| 22:19.26 | paxcoder | *shrugs* |
| 22:19.33 | paxcoder | yeah... 773 ppl |
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| 22:23.27 | pobega | Is there any way to tell SSH to use a certain username for a domain name besides specifying it? |
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| 22:25.03 | petemc | paulfitzpatrick: if you dont specify it in some way, how would it know? |
| 22:25.09 | petemc | pobega: ^^^ |
| 22:25.12 | petemc | pobega: sorry, isfire |
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| 22:25.19 | petemc | ah fuck |
| 22:25.21 | pobega | petemc: no problemo |
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| 22:26.15 | petemc | i meant to apologise to paulfitzpatrick |
| 22:26.15 | petemc | but anyway :) |
| 22:26.16 | pobega | so you misfired twice? ;P |
| 22:26.16 | pobega | OH |
| 22:26.16 | pobega | WAIT |
| 22:26.16 | pobega | haha |
| 22:26.16 | pobega | That WAS to me |
| 22:26.16 | pobega | I sometimes forget that I asked a question |
| 22:26.16 | petemc | pobega: ssh will use your username if you dont specify any, is that what you mean? |
| 22:26.16 | paulfitzpatrick | erm np. Monit is my last hope to stop apache dying every 2 hrs |
| 22:26.29 | pobega | no, I mean. My username is pobega, and my school uses pobegam on it's network. Is there any way to configure SSH to remember that? |
| 22:26.37 | pobega | Instead of typing `pobegam@` every time I type the domain |
| 22:26.49 | petemc | pobega: probably you can do that in ~/.ssh/config |
| 22:27.03 | petemc | you can tell it various things under host |
| 22:27.28 | alsd | pobega: maybe a symlink to ssh-argv0 ? dunno if it works with username |
| 22:27.42 | pobega | petemc: do you have an example ~/.ssh/config ? I don't have one |
| 22:27.43 | shabble | I use the approach petemc mentioned. |
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| 22:27.45 | shabble | it works rather well |
| 22:27.49 | petemc | pobega: man ssh_config |
| 22:27.58 | pobega | petemc: oh thanks |
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| 22:28.00 | shabble | pobega: host <hostname>\nuser <username>\n |
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| 22:29.10 | pobega | shabble: worked, thanks. Now to look through ssh_config(5) |
| 22:29.30 | shabble | you can set all sorts of funky options there, it's pretty good. |
| 22:29.39 | Deepa | I got this second computer I need to install Debian on |
| 22:29.47 | shabble | pobega: host foo |
| 22:29.49 | Deepa | I can't use USB/CD/Floppy/netboot |
| 22:30.00 | shabble | argh, host foo\nhostname foo.bar.baz is a nice way to make aliases |
| 22:30.04 | Deepa | Is it possible? |
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| 22:30.16 | petemc | Deepa: can you put the hard disk in another machine? |
| 22:30.24 | petemc | Deepa: or, does it run an os already? |
| 22:30.27 | alsd | Deepa: do you have some other linux install on? |
| 22:30.37 | Deepa | petemc, I can connect the harddrive through USB to my laptop yeah |
| 22:30.43 | alsd | Deepa: if you have floppy you can netboot with etherboot/gpxe |
| 22:30.56 | Deepa | I don't have a floppy :p |
| 22:31.00 | Deepa | I only have a harddrive infact |
| 22:31.11 | Deepa | And one of those nice things that lets me connect a harddrive through USB |
| 22:31.33 | Deepa | So yes, I have access to a Linux install and I got a harddrive I can touch |
| 22:31.38 | Deepa | the other PC is completly clean |
| 22:31.40 | shabble | lots of new things let you boot via usb flash, iirc |
| 22:31.56 | alsd | Deepa: if there's internet you can install with debootstrap |
| 22:32.13 | Deepa | There is internet! |
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| 22:33.02 | alsd | Deepa: see install guide : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 22:33.53 | Deepa | And just to make sure |
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| 22:34.07 | Deepa | This will install Debian on the harddrive so I can later on put it into the correct computer? |
| 22:34.15 | alsd | points to this url almost every time he's on #debian |
| 22:34.51 | yac | ohai guys, how do i get curlpp on debian? dont tell me nobody has not make some package yet |
| 22:34.54 | alsd | Deepa: you can install it on the computer directly, if you already have an older linux running |
| 22:35.11 | Deepa | alsd, the computer that needs debian is COMPLETLY clean |
| 22:35.12 | Deepa | There's NOTHING on it |
| 22:35.13 | dkr | yac: ok, we won't not tell you that it doesn't |
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| 22:35.39 | alsd | Deepa: that's quite tricky then ;) |
| 22:35.45 | yac | ffffuuuucccckkkk |
| 22:35.54 | Deepa | I agree with yac |
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| 22:36.26 | Deepa | But nonetheless, it's possible right alsd? |
| 22:36.38 | Deepa | I mean, you can boot from a USB stick and install, why can't you do that with a harddrive? |
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| 22:37.02 | petemc | Deepa: you plug the hard drive into your working linux machien and follow the guide int he link alsd posted |
| 22:37.07 | yac | haha, i fucked up the flash drive when i tried to do this :) |
| 22:37.09 | alsd | Deepa: you said you can't boot usb |
| 22:38.09 | Deepa | Yes but my point is |
| 22:38.28 | Deepa | If you can put the installer on a USB stick and boot from it, why can't you do the exact same thing but with a harddrive instead of a USB stick? |
| 22:39.01 | Deepa | But well to get back on track, alsd. will the link you posted solve my problem? |
| 22:39.07 | abrotman | there is hd-media |
| 22:39.17 | alsd | Deepa: you can run the installer from hard drive |
| 22:39.23 | miksuh | Deepa: I have not folowed the whole discussion |
| 22:39.25 | alsd | Deepa: the problem is having it to boot right i guess |
| 22:39.40 | petemc | thats not a problem |
| 22:39.46 | miksuh | if the computer is completely clean, then why don't you just install debian on it using eg. netinst cd? |
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| 22:40.23 | Deepa | miksuh, as my first statement said. I have no way to get anything on the machine except the harddrive |
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| 22:40.33 | Deepa | I've currently taken out the harddrive and plugged it into my computer |
| 22:40.46 | miksuh | Deepa: ah ok |
| 22:41.02 | Deepa | Last attempt of mine ended up with someone saying it was impossible (when I were trying to get grub to boot the installer) |
| 22:41.49 | alsd | Deepa: the problem is that grub doesnt like being moved away of its original machine |
| 22:42.00 | Deepa | That I noticed |
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| 22:42.37 | Deepa | boot initrd.gz linux lost+found |
| 22:42.43 | Deepa | that's what I got on it right now, grub and the netinstaller |
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| 22:42.56 | Deepa | But GRUB gets stuck at "GRUB _" (the underline blinks) |
| 22:43.02 | abrotman_ | !hd-media |
| 22:43.02 | dpkg | To install debian without any removable media read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en You can get the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ (note these are for etch on i386) |
| 22:43.25 | miksuh | Deepa: well put that harddisk to another computer and then install debian to that hd and then move hd to that another computer |
| 22:43.39 | miksuh | you might need to make sure you have uinstalled correct kernel etc |
| 22:44.03 | Deepa | abrotman, I followed that guide, at the point of GRUB/LILO |
| 22:44.08 | Deepa | How do I install GRUB so that it will work? |
| 22:44.23 | alsd | Deepa: maybe with lilo it can be better |
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| 22:44.34 | abrotman | Deepa: no floppy either? |
| 22:44.36 | miksuh | uinstalled =installed |
| 22:44.41 | bmoll8 | currently using backup-dir option in rsync. It works fine when backing up directories locally; for remote backups, I will get a series of empty directories generated on the local computer that is backing up to the server. http://pastebin.com/m45e8e468 |
| 22:44.45 | Deepa | I used grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 22:44.49 | Deepa | abrotman, no floppies, no CDs no nothing |
| 22:44.51 | Deepa | Only the harddrive :p |
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| 22:45.16 | abrotman | Deepa: how are you going to get the hd-media on the system ? |
| 22:45.47 | Deepa | boot netinstaller from it then install Debian to it |
| 22:46.01 | miksuh | Deepa: and no usb? |
| 22:46.32 | alsd | miksuh: '23:27 < Deepa> I can't use USB/CD/Floppy/netboot' |
| 22:46.48 | abrotman | Deepa: how are you going to get the hd-media on the system ? |
| 22:47.04 | Deepa | I unplugged the harddrive, plugged it in this one. put the files on it, moved it back |
| 22:47.13 | Deepa | alsd, netboot as in PXE |
| 22:47.22 | abrotman | so why not just use debootstrap on the other system ? |
| 22:47.40 | Deepa | Well... |
| 22:47.45 | Deepa | I don't know how to really :p |
| 22:47.47 | maligor | or run the installer |
| 22:47.53 | Deepa | And I suppose I'd still get GRUB problems? |
| 22:48.05 | alsd | Deepa: try with lilo then |
| 22:48.19 | abrotman | you could then chroot into the newly created system and use the grub stuff from there |
| 22:48.20 | wimpies | anybody here that uses valgrind to attach to gdb ? |
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| 22:48.33 | alsd | Deepa: just to get the installer to boot, after that you can choose whichever you want |
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| 22:50.00 | Deepa | Well I never got the installer to boot last time, so now I'm trying debootstrap |
| 22:51.19 | alsd | Deepa: you have it all explained in the link i gave you earlier |
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| 22:53.54 | earfit | hi |
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| 22:54.00 | pl4yer0ne | morn'n all |
| 22:54.08 | earfit | is there a way to install 3.1.2 on Debian through apt get ? |
| 22:54.21 | Eulex | 3.1.2 of what? |
| 22:54.21 | earfit | is there a way to install phpmyadmin 3.1.2 on Debian through apt get ? |
| 22:54.40 | lumgwada | Hi I'm trying to install a bin file on a debian machine. Its complaining it cant find libc.so.6. An strace indicates it is looking for it in /usr/lib rather than /lib. Would symlinking be a way of getting around this? |
| 22:54.52 | pl4yer0ne | earfit, try apt-cache search phpmyadmin |
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| 22:55.17 | Eulex | earfit, experimental has 3.1.2. use at your own risk; but do not attempt using it on etch, lenny may work tho. |
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| 22:56.50 | pl4yer0ne | reads the question again. heh heh oh right specific version. |
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| 22:57.26 | earfit | <p14yerone> i am getting this phpmyadmin - Administrate MySQL over the WWW |
| 22:57.45 | alsd | lumgwada: 'ln -s /lib/libc-*.so /usr/lib ' maybe |
| 22:58.03 | pl4yer0ne | earfit, do you require that specific version? or just want phpmyadmin? |
| 22:58.11 | adama_ | can/should I switch to ext4? |
| 22:58.17 | abrotman | it's your data |
| 22:58.33 | earfit | <p14yerone> i need to install 3.1.2 |
| 22:58.35 | yac | ok, i seem to understand how to make a package now, but how do i get all the files that were created when i compile the curlpp? |
| 22:58.43 | Eulex | earfit, why do you need to? |
| 22:58.46 | adama_ | abrotman, maining? |
| 22:58.49 | adama_ | meaning? |
| 22:59.06 | Eulex | adama_, if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces :) |
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| 22:59.11 | abrotman | adama_: it's your data .. we can't tell you what to do with it, or comment how its maturity might impact you |
| 22:59.36 | adama_ | fwiw, it is backed up nightly, weekly and monthly for 18 months |
| 22:59.52 | Eulex | make sure the backups are valid and complete |
| 22:59.52 | maltyz | Yo, where is the link to latest net install of debian? is this it debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso ? |
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| 23:00.03 | abrotman | maltyz: you probably want the etchnhalf one |
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| 23:00.22 | adama_ | I just want to see what people think of ext4, obviously I know the risks |
| 23:00.32 | abrotman | maybe ask #kernel or ##linux |
| 23:00.50 | adama_ | I don't know how likely they are or what kinds of benefits I'd get |
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| 23:00.58 | maltyz | what's the difference in them abritman? |
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| 23:01.07 | abrotman | maltyz: default kernel used |
| 23:01.07 | earfit | my boss ask me to install all latest version of MYQSL and PHP and phpmyadmin , so I installed MYSQL and PHP and also phpMyAdmin ' however phpmyadin is complaining the MYSQL library is differnet than the php one |
| 23:01.08 | maltyz | I ment abrotman* |
| 23:01.09 | blound | why is the heap mapped rwx on debian kernels? |
| 23:01.15 | pl4yer0ne | earfit, then as Eulex said experimental has 3.1.2 but experimental is experimental form a reason. |
| 23:01.18 | blound | i have tried 3 diff kerenls and they are all the same |
| 23:01.26 | pl4yer0ne | *for a reason |
| 23:01.31 | abrotman | earfit: if oyu've compiled your own php/mysql .. you should be asking ##php or #mysql |
| 23:01.50 | Eulex | earfit, different? |
| 23:01.53 | lumgwada | alsd: cheers |
| 23:02.41 | earfit | <Eulex > this the message i am getting "Your PHP MySQL library version 5.0.32 differs from your MySQL server version 5.1.30" |
| 23:02.54 | abrotman | earfit: if oyu've compiled your own php/mysql .. you should be asking ##php or #mysql |
| 23:03.00 | Eulex | earfit, uh. fix that? |
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| 23:03.52 | earfit | <Eulex> you i can fix that? or ... |
| 23:03.59 | earfit | <Eulex> you mean i can fix that? or ... |
| 23:04.08 | blound | http://pastebin.ca/1328458 why does debian have maps such as this by default? |
| 23:04.10 | pl4yer0ne | yeah earfit looks like you need to update php5-mysql |
| 23:04.20 | maltyz | will debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso finish downloading the rest of the OS, cause I am using it for a desktop computer. |
| 23:04.30 | blound | when regions such as the heap should be rw- as well as the other maps, rwx makes no sense |
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| 23:05.31 | Eulex | earfit, yes, you install the correct version of the php mysql library. |
| 23:05.32 | earfit | <p14yerone> how to update only php5-mysql |
| 23:05.38 | Eulex | maltyz, it will. |
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| 23:05.59 | pl4yer0ne | earfit, if you dont know these answers possibly you should talk to your boss who asked you to do it. |
| 23:06.20 | Eulex | earfit, how did you update php? |
| 23:06.33 | blound | is there a debian kernel maintainers channel? |
| 23:06.39 | pl4yer0ne | because i would be pissed if one of my n00bs started fscking around |
| 23:06.54 | earfit | installed form dotdeb.org |
| 23:07.47 | Eulex | earfit, try getting it from there too? |
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| 23:10.06 | earfit | Eluex the package manager is telling me that i have version 5.2.8 installed of php5-mysql |
| 23:10.35 | abrotman | do NOT use dotdeb packages |
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| 23:11.04 | earfit | <abrotman> any reason for that / |
| 23:11.40 | jelly-home | I kinda hoped dotdeb people'd learned to create decent backports by now |
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| 23:16.55 | dondelelcaro | pobega: man ssh; and read about the -N option |
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| 23:18.59 | blound | hm does no on here handle kernel issues or is there another spot for it |
| 23:19.06 | nick_h[litage] | is it possible to search for only installed packages that match a given pattern? at the moment, i have to do this: dpkg -l '*pattern*' | grep '^i' |
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| 23:19.35 | dmoerner | nick_h[litage]: aptitude search ~npattern~i |
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| 23:19.40 | EagleScreen | i am using virtualbox, how can I control the resolution of the guess operating system, the window size is too large |
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| 23:20.02 | dondelelcaro | nick_h[litage]: aptitude search '~ipattern'; |
| 23:20.14 | dondelelcaro | (or what dmoerner said) |
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| 23:20.36 | nick_h[litage] | thanks dmoerner and dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.40 | alsd | EagleScreen: use whatever is available in the guest to change the resolution maybe |
| 23:20.55 | nick_h[litage] | it seems i need to read up on these '~' options |
| 23:20.59 | EagleScreen | i am using Debian 5.0 inside virtualbox, and it takes a too hight resolution, xrandr or Gnome Screen resolution cannot change the resolution |
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| 23:21.29 | earfit | thanks for the help |
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| 23:21.54 | EagleScreen | is it possible to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in interactive mode to choose the maximun resolution? |
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| 23:22.22 | alsd | EagleScreen: it should yes |
| 23:22.47 | nick_h[litage] | hrm, the "~"s aren't explained in the aptitude man page. where can i read about them? |
| 23:22.53 | EagleScreen | alsd any argument for the command dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 23:23.31 | EagleScreen | can I drop to a tty in the guess Debian? Ctrl Alt Fx drop to a tty in the host system |
| 23:23.39 | Vasistha | how can I use man to print to stdout instead of a pager? |
| 23:23.49 | alsd | EagleScreen: chvt 1 maybe |
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| 23:24.14 | alsd | EagleScreen: you can put the resolution you want in xorg.conf too, that'll be shorter |
| 23:24.21 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: man man |
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| 23:24.57 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: read about the -P option; it should become obvious what to do then. |
| 23:25.23 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: ah, thanks, 'man man' was the first place I looked, and I tried several, but didn't get anywhere yet. I'll focus more on -P |
| 23:25.55 | WizCraker | when using public key authentication for ssh do I generate the key on the client to connect to the server or is it that I need to generate the key on the server to then copy the key to the clients ~/.ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 23:25.56 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: oh :) man -P cat |
| 23:26.15 | Vasistha | although sadly it doesn't make the bold text. oh well, that's certainly livable |
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| 23:26.37 | dkr | WizCraker: private key on client, public key in authorized_keys file of server |
| 23:27.04 | WizCraker | dkr: so, i would run the ssh-keygen on the server then? |
| 23:27.23 | Vasistha | thanks! |
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| 23:27.31 | dkr | WizCraker: would make mroe sense to run it on client, then just scp the public key to server |
| 23:27.46 | WizCraker | dkr: okay, thanks will try that. :) |
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| 23:28.18 | tetonca | $PAGER |
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| 23:29.12 | romano2k | good evening everyone! |
| 23:29.18 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: you can also use things like man -Tascii man; or man -TX100 man; or other fun things |
| 23:29.34 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: what do you want to do with the output, anyway? |
| 23:29.38 | romano2k | is there an equivalent to the RTL8139 but Gigabit? (supported out of the box) |
| 23:29.39 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: oh, okay, I will play around more! |
| 23:30.08 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: I'd just like to have it in my xterm so I can scroll it with a mousewheel rather than the keyboard |
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| 23:30.58 | dondelelcaro | ew |
| 23:31.23 | tetonca | The $PAGER provides the bolding. <char><backspace><char> |
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| 23:32.27 | tetonca | there's an X11 version of the man interface |
| 23:33.14 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps there are two options in cfdisk for a ntfs volume.. which type should I use to make a ntfs volume.. |
| 23:33.23 | Deepa | alsd, it missed on one part |
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| 23:33.30 | Deepa | The installing GRUB/LILO part |
| 23:33.38 | Deepa | It says # grub-install /dev/hda |
| 23:33.44 | Deepa | But there's no harddrives in /dev :-) |
| 23:34.06 | themill | nick_h[litage]: /msg dpkg aptitude docs |
| 23:34.43 | alsd | Deepa: you're in a chroot right? |
| 23:34.55 | Deepa | Yup |
| 23:34.57 | themill | !grubchroot |
| 23:34.57 | dpkg | you'd need to exit chroot, remount / rw, then mount your chroot target, then mount --bind /proc /target/proc, mount --bind /dev /target/dev, then chroot /mnt/point |
| 23:35.16 | Deepa | oO |
| 23:35.20 | Deepa | Is lilo easier? |
| 23:35.27 | alsd | Deepa: it's the same problem |
| 23:35.39 | frostschutz | bbelt16ag: I think 7 is right for ntfs |
| 23:35.41 | Deepa | actually lilo just whined about fstab |
| 23:35.56 | alsd | Deepa: on recent machines /dev is managed by udev, not static files so your chroot /dev is empty |
| 23:36.00 | alsd | Deepa: or quite |
| 23:36.20 | alsd | Deepa: so you have to bind-mount /dev on /<chroot>/dev |
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| 23:37.25 | Deepa | I have no bind-mount :P |
| 23:37.43 | alsd | Deepa: 'mount --bind' that is, as dpkg said |
| 23:37.57 | Deepa | I accidently typed bind |
| 23:38.02 | Deepa | now I can't press . or / :D |
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| 23:38.31 | Deepa | okay there we go |
| 23:38.35 | Deepa | /dev populated |
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| 23:39.07 | alsd | Deepa: 'mount /proc' too (in chroot). if it complains, your fstab isnt correct |
| 23:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | wasn't this easy... |
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| 23:39.31 | Deepa | I only got proc in /etc/fstab |
| 23:39.50 | nick_h[litage] | themill: thanks |
| 23:39.58 | themill | np |
| 23:40.35 | Deepa | And once again |
| 23:40.42 | Deepa | /dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 23:41.49 | Deepa | And what's wrong with /dev/hda1 as the root filesystem device? |
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| 23:42.29 | alsd | Deepa: it would be your actual internal hard disk then |
| 23:42.48 | Deepa | I'm going to put this harddrive in the other computer |
| 23:42.54 | Deepa | Doesn't that mean I WANT it to be hda1? |
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| 23:43.05 | alsd | Deepa: no you can't choose that |
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| 23:43.10 | Deepa | I see |
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| 23:44.04 | alsd | Deepa: try with lilo maybe |
| 23:44.15 | Deepa | I am using lilo |
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| 23:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | how strange, using the flashplugin in iceweasel suddenly produces a horrible sound quality (like... clipped?) ... while all other music/sound applications keep having the same quality |
| 23:45.55 | alsd | CutMeOwnThroat: using pulseaudio maybe? |
| 23:46.06 | Deepa | ohmygodohmygodohmygod |
| 23:46.08 | Deepa | it seems to boot |
| 23:46.29 | syzygy | is there a specific irc room for printing with debian (#xsane or otherwise)? |
| 23:46.32 | Deepa | Loading Lin_2.6.24img0..............................................................................._ (the underline blinks) |
| 23:46.45 | Deepa | It uh... looks like it got stuck |
| 23:46.57 | enouf | is /boot on an LVM or raid volume? |
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| 23:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsd, of course!!!!1112 |
| 23:47.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsd, it definitely sounds like something that's pulsing :) |
| 23:47.53 | tmm1 | n3kl, abrotman, CutMeOwnThroat, keith4: fyi, http://exxetron.de/files/etch/firefox-install |
| 23:48.33 | alsd | CutMeOwnThroat: flash has trouble with pulseaudio, ive been told |
| 23:49.21 | Deepa | Now it gets stuck after 3 dots |
| 23:49.26 | bbelt16ag | grr cfdisk sucks... |
| 23:49.40 | bbelt16ag | it didn't want to make a ntfs partiton and gparted won't do ntfs for some reason. |
| 23:49.41 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
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| 23:50.04 | Deepa | Anyone worked alot with lilo :p? mine just keeps getting stuck |
| 23:50.07 | Deepa | not really 'booting' |
| 23:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsd, well, as we learned today Debian doesn't have/use pulseaudio... :) |
| 23:50.17 | syzygy | I tied using xsane on an HP PSC 1510, but iti does not detect the printer or the scanner, dmesg gives this...http://pastebin.com/m31431f3e |
| 23:50.41 | Deepa | Prints various amount of dots, then stops |
| 23:50.53 | dkr | Deepa: sounds like a hardware problem |
| 23:50.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsd, it *could* be clipped... it's also very loud |
| 23:51.18 | anewbie | hi there guys i have problem with mine ssh connection i recive this when i atempt to connect |
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| 23:51.20 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.21 | Deepa | Why would it be hardrware problems? |
| 23:51.26 | anewbie | in known_hosts |
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| 23:51.38 | anewbie | there is some kind of unreadable |
| 23:51.41 | anewbie | information |
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| 23:51.49 | anewbie | how can i solve this ? |
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| 23:51.52 | Deepa | Are you sure the host identification hasn't changed? |
| 23:51.58 | tmm1 | anewbie: delete the line its complaining about if you trust the server |
| 23:52.00 | anewbie | yeah may be it is |
| 23:52.03 | anewbie | hmm |
| 23:52.07 | dkr | Deepa: since it's failing to finish loading the image. the tricksy parts are already complete once it gets to the step of loading the actual kernel image |
| 23:52.26 | anewbie | there can be no problem if i clear up know_host |
| 23:52.27 | Deepa | But this computer should work fine |
| 23:52.30 | anewbie | i mean make it empty |
| 23:52.41 | Deepa | Or well atleast it DID until I tried to change to NetBSD |
| 23:53.05 | dkr | Deepa: the lilo manual can probably give better detaisl about what failing at various stages mean, all the ones I recall were at earlier stages at LI L? LIL, etc, though |
| 23:53.32 | Deepa | Hmm, well I failed at Loading Lin_2.6.24img0........................................................................................... |
| 23:53.45 | Deepa | (approximate amount of dots) |
| 23:53.48 | dkr | so read the lilo manual to see what that means, :) |
| 23:54.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | tmm1, oh - should have checked factoid database /msg dpkg firefox 3 etch - I dunno - this script doesn't make a package... if you feel that it's better advice than any given in the factoid, feel free to extend it (it's already rather long, though) |
| 23:55.46 | Deepa | dkr, interesting enough it says nothing about excessive dots |
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| 23:57.12 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 23:57.14 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
| 23:57.39 | tmm1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i didn't ask for a package, just wanted it to work. anyway this doesn't work on my 64bit boxes, so i'm going to have to compile firefox from source |
| 23:57.40 | Deepa | whoa |
| 23:57.44 | Deepa | BIOS data check successfull |
| 23:57.58 | Deepa | However I picked the wrong kernel, so success is not what I get |
| 23:58.01 | Deepa | :P |
| 23:59.11 | Ace2016_- | how do i name the font when setting the font for xterm? i used xterm -font DejaVuSans since /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf is what i found when i searched for dejavu in my filesystem |
| 23:59.13 | enouf | bbelt16ag: you ran out of partitions? |
| 23:59.31 | Ace2016_- | xterm: cannot load font DejaVuSans is all i get |
| 23:59.40 | bbelt16ag | no |
| 23:59.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | tmm1, you perhaps not, but I find things that isn't packaged rather messy (well, using stow would also be ok, but I've not tried that yet) - anyway, check out the factoid |
| 23:59.55 | bbelt16ag | stupid gparted and ntsfa are not making me ntfs partiions |
