IRC log for #debian on 20090206

`00:00.01`	`enouf`	`bbelt16ag: what's with the xpoop partitions?`
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`00:00.12`	`bbelt16ag`	`eh?`
`00:00.13`	`Ace2016_-`	`either its using a bad font or it lacks anti-aliasing`
`00:00.17`	`Ace2016_-`	`or bot`
`00:00.18`	`enouf`	`bbelt16ag: why not? what's it say?`
`00:00.20`	`Ace2016_-`	`both*`
`00:00.45`	`bbelt16ag`	`ntfs is shaded on gparted and cfdisk does no error and just finished in like 10 seconds..`
`00:00.57`	`Ace2016_-`	`bbelt16ag: mkfs.ntfs?`
`00:01.17`	`enouf`	`Ace2016_-: try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config?`
`00:01.43`	`bbelt16ag`	`hmmm`
`00:01.46`	`Ace2016_-`	`enouf: the font is installed and working fine, currently used by kde3,4 and gtk2 applications`
`00:01.49`	`enouf`	`bbelt16ag: shaded? greyed out? is that gnu-parted, or gnome-parted?`
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`00:01.57`	`bbelt16ag`	`I don't got mkfs.ntfs`
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`00:02.20`	`Deepa`	`Then it is time you get`
`00:02.21`	`enouf`	`Ace2016_-: press ctrl key and click?`
`00:02.27`	`bbelt16ag`	`gnome`
`00:02.28`	`enouf`	`er right click`
`00:02.47`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bbelt16ag, and it's type 86/87 in cfdisk... didn't you originally claim cfdisk wouldn't do it?`
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`00:03.14`	`enouf`	`bbelt16ag: you need the ntfsprogs pkg`
`00:03.23`	`enouf`	`bbelt16ag: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php`
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`00:04.28`	`Ace2016_-`	`o_O what on earth is that, its black and white`
`00:04.30`	`enouf`	`CutMeOwnThroat: what?`
`00:04.39`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:05.02`	`bbelt16ag`	`right`
`00:05.08`	`bbelt16ag`	`ok I asked which ones..`
`00:05.15`	`enouf`	`CutMeOwnThroat: 07 HPFS/NTFS`
`00:05.21`	`enouf`	`CutMeOwnThroat: partitionID`
`00:05.36`	`enouf`	`bbelt16ag: it's usually 7`
`00:05.37`	`bbelt16ag`	`the 86/897`
`00:05.40`	`bbelt16ag`	`ok`
`00:05.45`	`bbelt16ag`	`didn't know`
`00:05.52`	`bbelt16ag`	`I just made sure it worked and make a ext3 on it`
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`00:06.23`	`themill`	`Ace2016_-: when specifying fonts for old programs like xterm, you need to use the X name for the font. "xlsfonts \|grep -i deja" for an idea about what it looks like.`
`00:06.30`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`enouf, hm, indeed - "86 NTFS volume set" ... is something else`
`00:07.06`	`enouf`	`has seen many an fdisk -l pastes ;-)`
`00:07.49`	`themill`	`Ace2016_-: see also xfontsel`
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`00:14.06`	`bbelt16ag`	`grr its mounting the ntfs partiton read only now`
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`00:15.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`fuse`
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`00:15.12`	`enouf`	`ofcourse`
`00:15.20`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!ntfsrw`
`00:15.20`	`dpkg`	`If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs`
`00:15.25`	`enouf`	`now you need ntfs-3g`
`00:15.44`	`click170`	`How can I tell which program is holding open a file on a partition that I need to umount, but can't because its in use?`
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`00:15.55`	`enouf`	`clusty: lsof, and fuser`
`00:16.05`	`enouf`	`er click170 .. not clusty: lsof, and fuser`
`00:16.12`	`dkr`	`and fuser can even kill it for you. love that feature`
`00:16.16`	`click170`	`Thanks!`
`00:16.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`click170, fuser -m /path/to/partition`
`00:16.34`	`bbelt16ag`	`ok`
`00:16.34`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`-mk to also kill them immediately`
`00:16.47`	`enouf`	`click170: many times, the user just forgets to cd out of the dir/`
`00:16.51`	`neoice`	`can I share network connections? like connect with my laptop's wireless and run ethernet into a switch for 2-3 more machines?`
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`00:17.17`	`dkr`	`yes`
`00:17.44`	`Ace2016_-`	`themill: i used xfontsel to get a long string, i doesn't seem to let me copy it out, do i just use the entire string after xterm -font? xterm -font dejavu-dejavu sans-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-15 from the list doesn't work`
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`00:18.05`	`syzygy`	`I tied using xsane on an HP PSC 1510, but iti does not detect the printer or the scanner, dmesg gives this...http://pastebin.com/m31431f3e`
`00:18.29`	`syzygy`	`comp knows that the device is there, I have hplip and xsane installed`
`00:18.44`	`syzygy`	`but, I cannot access it via xsane`
`00:18.51`	`chomwitt1`	`in lenny installation , in hdd partitioning should i put the swap first in the disk? (makes system faster?)`
`00:18.55`	`themill`	`Ace2016_-: you'd need to protect the space in that font name and you can probably put a few *s in there to make life easier too.`
`00:19.02`	`bbelt16ag`	`Ii don't see ntsf 3g in the repo I am running etch debian`
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`00:19.24`	`themill`	`dpkg: tell bbelt16ag about ntfs-3g`
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`00:22.51`	`Ace2016_-`	`themill: well this also doesn't work xterm -font dejavu-dejavu\ sans-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-15`
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`00:23.49`	`chomwitt1`	`is it probable in 500gb disk to installation partition manager to propose 7GB for / . and 490 for /home. i mean all those packages in the repos where will they fit?`
`00:24.00`	`Ace2016_-`	`maybe i should use * instead of the family`
`00:24.05`	`chomwitt1`	`to->the`
`00:24.17`	`themill`	`Ace2016_-: there should be a - prior to the font name too`
`00:24.47`	`Ace2016_-`	`oh, i thought that was a part of the output, and -font -dejavu.. didn't seem to make much sense`
`00:25.16`	`Ace2016_-`	`yup now it works, looks aweful but at least now i can tweak it`
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`00:25.32`	`enouf`	`Ace2016_-: somthing like - xtermFont: -adobe--medium-r-------m-90-- in http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=5414`
`00:26.01`	`themill`	`remembers why he doesn't use xterm`
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`00:26.56`	`enouf`	`chomwitt1: don't do the guided setup then - and yes, if swap is sda1 it'll be faster when hit, how much? likely not noticeable`
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`00:27.48`	`bbelt16ag`	`themill: well the mirror I use does not support the eth-backports`
`00:27.55`	`bbelt16ag`	`etch-backports... not sure why`
`00:28.00`	`enouf`	`bbelt16ag: what?`
`00:28.01`	`bbelt16ag`	`guess they don't got the room?`
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`00:28.05`	`chomwitt1`	`enouf: thanks.`
`00:28.12`	`themill`	`dpkg: tell bbelt16ag about backports.org`
`00:28.14`	`bbelt16ag`	`in the source file`
`00:28.43`	`bbelt16ag`	`grrr`
`00:28.45`	`bbelt16ag`	`thanks`
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`00:29.53`	`l_r`	`how can i generate a menu.lst for the grub bootloader listing all the bootable os'es (both linux AND NOT LINUX) installed only on a given disk?`
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`00:30.18`	`bbelt16ag`	`guess I read it wrong..`
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`00:31.51`	`cusco`	`l_r: like using grub-install ?`
`00:31.58`	`l_r`	`no`
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`00:32.16`	`l_r`	`i does not do anything of what i need`
`00:32.22`	`magyar`	`hi, I have an odd issue with a Travan tape drive in lenny under current kernel. It works with kernel 2.6.25 fine, but ever since 2.6.26 came along it doesnt, i get "ide-tape: hda <-> ht0: Seagate STT20000A rev 8A5lÀkÚà" but the /dev/ directory has no ht0 device`
`00:32.31`	`syzygy`	`I tied using xsane on an HP PSC 1510, but iti does not detect the printer or the scanner, dmesg gives this...http://pastebin.com/m31431f3e`
`00:32.32`	`cusco`	`grub install will recognize windows partitions`
`00:32.41`	`enouf`	`l_r: usually update-grub`
`00:32.57`	`cusco`	`yes I actually meant that but I forgot the script name :p`
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`00:33.16`	`enouf`	`magyar: does dmesg give any info/errors about it?`
`00:33.21`	`syzygy`	`I have hpijs, hplip, xsane, not sure how to get print/scan access...`
`00:33.35`	`l_r`	`enouf, updtae-grub does not recognize windows systems or other systems installed on a different dir than the current or a specified /boot directory`
`00:33.37`	`enouf`	`magyar: tried running /sbin/MAKEDEV ? see if the /dev/name changed`
`00:33.41`	`magyar`	`enouf: nope`
`00:34.04`	`l_r`	`enouf, updtae-grub only search for vmlinuz files, nothing more`
`00:34.26`	`Ace2016_-`	`enouf: thanks for the link, lots of useful info, added it to my notes`
`00:34.56`	`l_r`	`i need to generate a damn menu.lst just like the linux installers do when installing a linux system`
`00:34.59`	`cusco`	`l_r: I guess you could take a example of a menu.lst with a windows stanza on it and modify it to your own needs`
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`00:35.23`	`l_r`	`cusco, i need to generate the file dinamically`
`00:35.28`	`l_r`	`it may vary`
`00:35.36`	`l_r`	`systems may be different`
`00:35.59`	`magyar`	`enouf: "/sbin/MAKEDEV ht0" ?`
`00:36.30`	`enouf`	`magyar: well, i usually just run it, without options - is it possible it's udev related issue?`
`00:36.37`	`magyar`	`enouf: dmesg shows "ide-tape: hda <-> ht0" at boot time`
`00:36.45`	`magyar`	`so where is /dev/ht0 ?`
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`00:36.58`	`enouf`	`magyar: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/hda`
`00:37.22`	`magyar`	`node name not found enouf`
`00:37.37`	`enouf`	`magyar: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/ht0`
`00:37.46`	`magyar`	`it works fine with 2.6.25`
`00:37.51`	`enouf`	`magyar: ps aux \| grep [u]devd`
`00:38.10`	`magyar`	`also "node name not found"`
`00:38.24`	`enouf`	`magyar: whose .25 and whose .26?`
`00:38.25`	`magyar`	`root 982 0.0 0.2 2908 1504 ? S<s 19:18 0:00 udevd --daemon`
`00:38.42`	`enouf`	`magyar: pastebin entire /var/log/dmesg?`
`00:38.54`	`magyar`	`enouf: kernel version, i have two kernels 2.6.25 and 2.6.26`
`00:38.59`	`bbelt16ag`	`thanks peeps I appreciate the help`
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`00:39.03`	`enouf`	`magyar: but both are Debian ones?`
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`00:39.07`	`DrJuano`	`buenas`
`00:39.21`	`DrJuano`	`les hago una pregunta, nada que ver con debian, pero uds. capaz que me orientan`
`00:39.38`	`DrJuano`	`quiero levantar un portal, pero no me decido por qué script poner`
`00:39.50`	`enouf`	`!br`
`00:39.50`	`dpkg`	`Este canal Ã© apenas em inglÃªs. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`00:39.57`	`enouf`	`!pt`
`00:39.57`	`dpkg`	`Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )`
`00:40.00`	`enouf`	`!es`
`00:40.00`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`00:40.11`	`DrJuano`	`sorry, i thougth i was in there`
`00:40.13`	`DrJuano`	`ups.`
`00:40.20`	`enouf`	`no problemo ;-)`
`00:40.29`	`DrJuano`	`jejej`
`00:40.41`	`cusco`	`(hehe in spanish)`
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`00:42.05`	`magyar`	`enouf: yeap, both debian kernels "http://pastebin.ca/1328528"`
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`00:42.25`	`enouf`	`magyar: ok`
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`00:43.29`	`click170`	`Is there a way like through /proc or something to tell how many machines are still mounted via nfs-kernel-server?`
`00:43.37`	`magyar`	`linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 and linux-image-2.6.26-1-686`
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`00:43.43`	`enouf`	`magyar: you're running etch or lenny?`
`00:43.50`	`magyar`	`enouf: lenny`
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`00:44.35`	`enouf`	`magyar: see if when you boot into .25 what you get from dmesg and compare = especially things like -> 5.928907] hda: Disabling (U)DMA for Seagate STT20000A (blacklisted)`
`00:44.57`	`enouf`	`magyar: wait`
`00:45.07`	`enouf`	`magyar: do you have an entry in fstab for the tape?`
`00:45.20`	`enouf`	`magyar: alter any/all hda -> sda ?`
`00:46.00`	`enouf`	`ahh crap - not sda, but some s related /dev/name. maybe st0?`
`00:46.15`	`magyar`	`enouf: nope, only sda`
`00:46.19`	`magyar`	`no hda's`
`00:46.36`	`enouf`	`magyar: also compare the scsi/sr_mod/st related modules that are loading ... hrm`
`00:46.51`	`enouf`	`magyar: might be a libata issue`
`00:47.19`	`magyar`	`enouf: one thing i noticed is that with the 2.6.26 it takes a big timeout on boot`
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`00:48.08`	`enouf`	`magyar: enable bootlogd as well`
`00:48.14`	`enouf`	`!bootlogd`
`00:48.14`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).`
`00:48.43`	`magyar`	`enouf: will do, thanks`
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`00:51.01`	`enouf`	`magyar: i see conflicts (well to me) in which IDE I/O ports are being enabled and when, see if .25 is using ata_piix as well -- perhaps changing your BIOS to AHCI mode (for the SATA drives) might help`
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`00:52.12`	`enouf`	`magyar: er, disregard that first bit about IDE I/O ports for now - i just checked here - mine are alos different`
`00:52.30`	`magyar`	`hmm`
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`00:53.09`	`magyar`	`enouf: i just rebooted into 2.6.26, still not up`
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`00:54.00`	`enouf`	`magyar: review /var/log/boot after it boots`
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`00:55.03`	`magyar`	`enouf: will do`
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`00:55.34`	`magyar`	`it will take a few more minutes to boot, has a long ass timeout`
`00:55.58`	`enouf`	`magyar: yikes`
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`00:56.31`	`magyar`	`I think there is a bugreport for this issue, but from what it seems, it got ignored`
`00:56.36`	`axlrose`	`how can I check what version I have of GTK`
`00:57.29`	`enouf`	`magyar: ahh .. that's a p4 using HT eh?`
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`00:58.35`	`enouf`	`magyar: see the ACPI error in your dmesg? not sure if it's related - maybe also (as a wild-assed guess) disable HT in the BIOS if possible .. ugh - i recall an issue with that , just not sure if related - it wouldn't seem to be, but`
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`00:59.05`	`enouf`	`axlrose: dpkg -l \gtk \| grep ^.i (is one way)`
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`01:00.12`	`axlrose`	`is it the libgtk package that I;m looking for`
`01:00.22`	`magyar`	`enouf: i got some more in my logs a few times, which would explain the timeouts >> http://pastebin.ca/1328548`
`01:01.39`	`magyar`	`enouf: bootlog has nothin interesting in it`
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`01:03.12`	`enouf`	`magyar: where the heck did that come from? lmao .. /syslog ?`
`01:03.21`	`enouf`	`kern.log?`
`01:03.47`	`enouf`	`magyar: that's definitely an issue, i'd say ;-)`
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`01:04.30`	`magyar`	`enouf: dmesg, after the reboot`
`01:04.36`	`magyar`	`enouf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499752`
`01:04.40`	`magyar`	`same issue`
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`01:05.55`	`magyar`	`enouf: how can i test 2.6.28, just install it from the pool of sid?`
`01:06.53`	`enouf`	`magyar: good huntin ;-)`
`01:07.17`	`enouf`	`magyar: er.. yeah .. but it;s not in sid - you need buildserver or compile from kernel.org`
`01:07.30`	`enouf`	`http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage`
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`01:08.38`	`axlrose`	`enouf: Is libGTK the one that will tell me what version of GTK I have`
`01:08.38`	`magyar`	`enouf: I'll just stick to 2.6.25, it works. But it's odd they will make a release without fixing some of these bugs`
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`01:14.41`	`magyar`	`is there any debs for 2.6.27 or 2.6.28 in any of the pools?`
`01:14.54`	`themill`	`!trunk kernel`
`01:14.54`	`dpkg`	`methinks trunk kernel is visit http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels Remember that these kernels are not intended for you to use them and they may eat your first-born.`
`01:15.37`	`jelly-home`	`dpkg: I don't have kids, you insensitive clod!`
`01:15.38`	`dpkg`	`no idea, jelly-home`
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`01:18.39`	`enouf`	`axlrose: here's another method`
`01:18.39`	`Wicked`	`whats the latest stable etch kernel?`
`01:18.40`	`enouf`	`~$ grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Version -n "install ok installed" \| paste -sd " \n" \| sort -n \| grep gtk`
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`01:19.10`	`Wicked`	`dpkg, kernel`
`01:19.11`	`magyar`	`themill: thanks`
`01:19.12`	`dpkg`	`Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.28.3, prepatch: 2.6.29-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.29-rc3-git8, 2.4: 2.4.37, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1`
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`01:19.34`	`Wicked`	`dpkg, debian kernel`
`01:19.34`	`dpkg`	`To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps>`
`01:19.41`	`axlrose`	`enouf: I don't have grep-status`
`01:19.44`	`Wicked`	`dpkg, etch kernel`
`01:19.44`	`dpkg`	`Wicked: bugger all, i dunno`
`01:19.53`	`enouf`	`axlrose: install dctrltools`
`01:19.54`	`avu`	`!tell Wicked about msg the bot`
`01:20.21`	`axlrose`	`enouf: but apt-cache says I have version 2.8.20 of libGTK would that be the version of GTK as a whole that I have?`
`01:20.39`	`enouf`	`axlrose: er install both; dctrl-tools grep-status`
`01:20.50`	`enouf`	`shit`
`01:20.53`	`themill`	`dpkg: tell Wicked about etchnhalf`
`01:20.55`	`enouf`	`axlrose: er install both; dctrl-tools grep-dctrl`
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`01:22.02`	`elik`	`I have 2 debian machines, both on lenny. 1 was on etch before, and is a old laptop with a Celeron. The new one is a Core 2 Duo with 64 bits kernel. Both are up to date. Why does my old laptop show the grep when I "ps aux \| grep blah" and not the other. The normal behavior (the one I`
`01:22.08`	`elik`	`'m used to is with`
`01:22.28`	`enouf`	`axlrose: i'm not sure ..`
`01:22.36`	`aib42_linux`	`how do I choose between eclipse and eclipse-gcj ?`
`01:22.51`	`themill`	`elik: it's random`
`01:22.53`	`Wicked`	`is 2.6.18-6-686 the latest debian etch kernel?`
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`01:23.15`	`themill`	`Wicked: did you read the msg from dpkg about etchnhalf?`
`01:23.16`	`axlrose`	`enouf: because here;s the deal....I have version 2.8.20 of libGTK and i'm trying to compile the murrine engine and it claims I need gtk 2.8 and that I don't have it`
`01:23.26`	`Wicked`	`themill, it never sent one`
`01:23.35`	`zinx`	`axlrose: install the -dev package for it`
`01:23.42`	`enouf`	`axlrose: you're likely just missing the -dev kg`
`01:23.47`	`enouf`	`pkg`
`01:23.49`	`themill`	`Wicked: check a separate window or tab`
`01:23.56`	`elik`	`themill, what is? program execution order and pipe?`
`01:24.10`	`Wicked`	`themill, im in pm with the bot..nothing was sent. but ill ask it about etchnhalf`
`01:24.23`	`enouf`	`axlrose: posting exact errors helps - but note; the -dev pkgs contain the build headers for their respective binary packages`
`01:24.24`	`themill`	`elik: whether grep is visible is ps axf at that time. It's a race condition.`
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`01:24.32`	`zinx`	`axlrose: though, thinking about it, i think the murrine engine is already packaged for debian`
`01:24.48`	`zinx`	`axlrose: yep, gtk2-engines-murrine`
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`01:25.19`	`Wicked`	`im not really concerned about new hardware with the kernel...im more worried about it being patched and updated for security reasons.`
`01:25.19`	`zinx`	`axlrose: you may also want murrine-themes`
`01:25.43`	`Wicked`	`since i installed i have not seen a kernel upgrade and im just wondering if i have the latest stable kernel.`
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`01:26.21`	`axlrose`	`zinx: I'm using etch`
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`01:26.32`	`themill`	`Wicked: in that case, you can check the package version for that kernel against packages.debian.org`
`01:27.15`	`axlrose`	`zinx: I don't think murrine is in Etch`
`01:27.19`	`Wicked`	`hmm. what is kernel in?`
`01:27.23`	`zinx`	`axlrose: ah, unfortunate`
`01:27.34`	`zinx`	`axlrose: not in etch-backports either`
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`01:27.44`	`zinx`	`axlrose: erh, that was supposed to be a question :x`
`01:27.48`	`themill`	`Wicked: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 (or -amd64)`
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`01:28.03`	`axlrose`	`zinx: I don't have that in my sources....whats the address`
`01:28.11`	`zinx`	`!tell axlrose about etch-backports`
`01:28.34`	`Wicked`	`themill, ah ok thanks.`
`01:29.43`	`elik`	`themill, so the performance difference could explain why it will or won't appear.. I don't get the "whether grep is visible is ps axf at that time"`
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`01:30.53`	`themill`	`elik: grep may or may not be running when ps looks to see what is running. As you said, the speed of startup for new programs will be dependent on your hardware and the load on the machine.`
`01:31.22`	`themill`	`elik: btw, you quite probably want pgrep rather than grepping the output of ps anyway`
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`01:32.10`	`jaggz`	`I updated a bunch of held-back packages (I went to install new packages "nasm" and "yasm", got the list of many held-back pkgs, and hit U to update them all) -- now yasm and nasm are in "pi" mode... why is this?`
`01:32.27`	`jaggz`	`and how do I take it out of pi mode?`
`01:32.50`	`pingouin`	`anyone to give me some advices/clues about a good images viewer, fast one (jpg/tiff...) ? (not gqview)`
`01:33.16`	`jaggz`	`yasm had an etch backport, so I +'ed that one (in aptitude) and it installed fine, while nasm doesn't have another option so I'm not sure how to remove it's p state`
`01:33.37`	`themill`	`pingouin: kuickshow is nice and fast`
`01:34.21`	`pingouin`	`thanks`
`01:35.41`	`jaggz`	`hm, it never installed.. that's pi.. weird.`
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`01:40.00`	`Relentless`	`anyone know why a "Unable to allocate socket" error would come up`
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`01:40.34`	`elik`	`themill, thx, and pgrep looks cool, but its output is very limited.. not that I usually watch all the other stuff, but I'm kinda used to it.. anyway, thx for the tip`
`01:41.21`	`squisher`	`hey guys, recently in sid I've started to get sound trouble. Everything I play in audacious now has an extremely lound noise in the background`
`01:41.31`	`stoned`	`hi`
`01:41.38`	`squisher`	`aqualung still works mostly ok, but some files started to crackle...`
`01:41.51`	`themill`	`elik: it's often used for scripts; you can also use it as "ps $(pgrep blah)"`
`01:41.57`	`stoned`	`squisher, check the said packages for any bugs regarding that`
`01:42.03`	`syzygy`	`abyone know if the HP PSC 1510 Printer/Scanner is supported in xsane for Lenny?`
`01:42.04`	`squisher`	`when that happens, mplayer still works perfectly fine, so I'm pretty sure it's not the soundcard`
`01:42.08`	`squisher`	`hey stoned`
`01:42.12`	`stoned`	`hi`
`01:42.19`	`squisher`	`I did, but I can't see anything`
`01:42.36`	`stoned`	`squisher, was there an upgrade?`
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`01:43.04`	`squisher`	`yeah, of course, but that was an accumulation of over 1month of sid updates... :-\`
`01:43.06`	`stoned`	`squisher, whats your sound hw? does it only happen in just one app?`
`01:43.12`	`KaptinKurk`	`How would I see what my DNS Servers are?`
`01:43.22`	`stoned`	`squisher, yeh, no tellin' what might have happened, yu're kinda on your own with sid ;)`
`01:43.35`	`squisher`	`I know :-( But I need to get my audaciosu back!`
`01:43.49`	`squisher`	`just thought I'd check if anyone else had heard of similar trouble`
`01:44.25`	`stoned`	`KaptinKurk, try cat /etc/networking/interfaces or /etc/resolv.conf`
`01:44.27`	`elik`	`it might just be me, but sid/NEEDING something don't go together very well`
`01:44.39`	`stoned`	`KaptinKurk, should be in there`
`01:45.57`	`stoned`	`KaptinKurk, if you are behind a nat router, you can try to look there, as you may have your dns locally set to be the router`
`01:46.21`	`squisher`	`elik, yeah yeah, I know, don't take it so literally :)`
`01:46.31`	`squisher`	`s/need/really badly want/ :-D`
`01:46.42`	`elik`	`:)`
`01:46.54`	`Relentless`	`anyone know why a "Unable to allocate socket" error would come up :\|`
`01:47.04`	`stoned`	`Relentless, did you google it?`
`01:47.05`	`elik`	`Relentless, where when`
`01:47.23`	`elik`	`context generally help`
`01:47.28`	`stoned`	`if you try to do something, you get an error, lookup the error message`
`01:47.33`	`stoned`	`and yes the context would be helpful`
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`01:51.02`	`axlrose`	`wow even with the murrine engine I CANNOT get themes to work`
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`01:51.13`	`axlrose`	`i feel like such an idiot`
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`01:52.24`	`axlrose`	`i have no idea what I'm doing wrong....but when I try to load one they never look like the screenshots`
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`01:53.09`	`paulfm`	`hi all`
`01:53.17`	`enouf`	`axlrose: you need to be specific when it comes to issues`
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`01:53.30`	`enouf`	`axlrose: /msg dpkg ask`
`01:53.39`	`stoned`	`enouf, !`
`01:53.48`	`enouf`	`has no idea what gtk nor themes are`
`01:53.50`	`paulfm`	`I am having an installer hang on Lenny netinstall CD... can someone please let me know where I file a bug report with full details. Thank you.`
`01:54.04`	`stoned`	`paulfm, where is it hanging?`
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`01:54.17`	`stoned`	`paulfm, which step? did you check tty4 for anything ?`
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`01:54.35`	`paulfm`	`Stoned: It is hangin when booting into the installer. I forget the specific message`
`01:54.51`	`stoned`	`you ned to fix that then, get us the specific message`
`01:54.51`	`paulfm`	`Stoned: I can get you more info - let me reboot`
`01:54.55`	`stoned`	`please`
`01:54.56`	`stoned`	`thanks`
`01:54.57`	`axlrose`	`enouf: the themes I download never look the screens. I'm sure I'm missing something but I don't know what`
`01:55.04`	`spooky-mulder`	`i'm trying to get dual head mode working, i'm trying to do it with an ati X1650 and i'm using lenny, can someone help`
`01:55.13`	`paulfm`	`Stoned: I am using a minipc with a Soc. Vortex86dx processor`
`01:55.31`	`stoned`	`spooky-mulder, which driver?`
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`01:55.47`	`spooky-mulder`	`stoned, the built in xorg driver`
`01:55.55`	`stoned`	`spooky-mulder, you're fully supported by radeon`
`01:56.05`	`stoned`	`no 3d yet for you with radeon though, only fglrx`
`01:56.07`	`axlrose`	`enouf: If I load a theme I downloaded and then open Nautilus from a terminal I get this error`
`01:56.34`	`stoned`	`spooky-mulder, you can use xrandr to test the two monitors set em up then save your config to xorg.con`
`01:56.37`	`stoned`	`conf`
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`01:56.38`	`axlrose`	enouf: /home/computer/.themes/murrine grey blue/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:55: error: unexpected identifier `colorize_scrollbar', expected character `}'
`01:56.46`	`stoned`	`spooky-mulder, look into xrandr/grandr for a gui`
`01:57.01`	`stoned`	`spooky-mulder, I used radeon driver and xrandr to setup my dual head in X1900XT`
`01:57.14`	`spooky-mulder`	`kk, i'll look into it`
`01:57.46`	`axlrose`	`enouf: no matter what theme I load I get a diff error about something being unexpected`
`01:57.46`	`stoned`	`spooky-mulder, xrandr -q .. should tell you all the connected monitors`
`01:57.54`	`paulfm`	`stoned: I get to the main debian installer screen - then I select install...`
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`01:58.12`	`stoned`	`paulfm, which installer are you using? for which arch?`
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`01:58.23`	`paulfm`	`stoned: i386`
`01:58.27`	`spooky-mulder`	`okay, it's found both my monitors`
`01:58.46`	`stoned`	`spooky-mulder, now you need to read the xrandr manpage, and turn the 2nd one on, position it, resolution it, etc, etc,`
`01:59.15`	`stoned`	`spooky-mulder, once you have it down, you can put the config stuff in xorg.conf and voila`
`01:59.33`	`stoned`	`paulfm, I'm not sure how much help I can be, but try one long sentence with all the info you can give us about your problem`
`01:59.38`	`paulfm`	`stoned: install... decompressing kernel... lots of lines... then [0.104301] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle talk!`
`01:59.48`	`spooky-mulder`	`right, i'll give it a try, thanks stoned`
`01:59.52`	`stoned`	`ahh, I got that recently on the lenny d-i too`
`01:59.58`	`KaptinKurk`	`stoned: thanks`
`01:59.59`	`stoned`	`it happened to me in vmware actually today`
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`02:00.08`	`stoned`	`spooky-mulder, KaptinKurk np`
`02:00.16`	`paulfm`	`idle task that is`
`02:00.17`	`stoned`	`paulfm, I got that error today in vmware ;)`
`02:00.27`	`stoned`	`I'm not sure what it is, I was working so didn't have time to look into it`
`02:00.32`	`stoned`	`its actually on my list of things to figure out too`
`02:00.42`	`paulfm`	`stoned: Im not in any virtualized environment tohugh`
`02:00.49`	`paulfm`	`really`
`02:00.50`	`stoned`	`paulfm, try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org`
`02:01.00`	`paulfm`	`stoned: thanks`
`02:01.02`	`paulfm`	`will do`
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`02:05.56`	`enouf`	`axlrose: you might have better luck asking on irc.gnome.org (try #gnome-debian channel 1st i guess)`
`02:06.10`	`axlrose`	`k`
`02:06.34`	`enouf`	`axlrose: be clear about which debian release, which kernel version, any backports involved, etc etc`
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`02:07.52`	`enouf`	`axlrose: if you are using Etch and backporting, upgrading to Lenny (which is now 'testing' and which will soon become Stable) might be for you - especially for any sort of Desktop or non-production server`
`02:08.47`	`axlrose`	`enouf: I'm actually in the process of that right now`
`02:09.57`	`enouf`	`axlrose: then do /msg dpkg lenny release notes (and /msg dpkg etch->lenny)`
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`02:13.47`	`zophy`	`will lilo print out the disk geometry it detects for a drive ?`
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`02:25.37`	`bbelt16ag`	`hey peeps`
`02:26.57`	`pl4yer0ne`	`hello`
`02:27.09`	`bbelt16ag`	`ok I got a scenario for ya.. suppose I got several hour move of files from one directory to another.. and I leave it on while I go and visit some friends. while I am there at the remote house.. is there any way I can reconnect with that console that is doing the move ??`
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`02:27.30`	`bbelt16ag`	`perhaps if I wanted to background the process or something?`
`02:27.31`	`pl4yer0ne`	`not once you have already started it`
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`02:27.48`	`pl4yer0ne`	`if you havent actually done this yet then install screen`
`02:27.54`	`bbelt16ag`	`unless I use screen right? that I have used before to do it..`
`02:27.55`	`bbelt16ag`	`yeah`
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`02:28.00`	`bbelt16ag`	`its already going`
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`02:28.28`	`superjet_busy`	`why not gnome-volume-manager just put few ntfs partions into menu of gnome, not all of them, how to set it?`
`02:28.29`	`pl4yer0ne`	`then dude AFAIK there isnt any way to foreground it to a different tty`
`02:28.48`	`bbelt16ag`	`ok`
`02:28.57`	`bbelt16ag`	`just wondering if I missed something that's all`
`02:29.03`	`pl4yer0ne`	`but im not like jesus or anything so there may be a way`
`02:29.04`	`bbelt16ag`	`was askin the experts..`
`02:29.15`	`bbelt16ag`	`hehe`
`02:29.19`	`bbelt16ag`	`not linus I take it?`
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`02:29.28`	`pl4yer0ne`	`but pretty much thats why stuff like screen exists`
`02:29.35`	`bbelt16ag`	`k`
`02:29.44`	`bbelt16ag`	`these should finish quickly enough`
`02:29.53`	`pl4yer0ne`	`give me a second and i'll have a quick search and see if i can find anything that can "Screen" a running process`
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`02:31.28`	`pl4yer0ne`	`bbelt16ag, http://linux.die.net/man/1/retty`
`02:31.57`	`bbelt16ag`	`COOL`
`02:31.59`	`bbelt16ag`	`thanks`
`02:33.34`	`jelly-home`	`bbelt16ag: if you have an active X session on the machine, there's x11vnc`
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`02:34.49`	`bbelt16ag`	`I can't find it`
`02:34.53`	`bbelt16ag`	`nope`
`02:34.55`	`bbelt16ag`	`no X`
`02:35.06`	`enouf`	`activeX? wtf!`
`02:35.26`	`bbelt16ag`	`...`
`02:35.33`	`pl4yer0ne`	`heh heh enouf`
`02:35.39`	`gewt`	`:o`
`02:35.42`	`bbelt16ag`	`hehe`
`02:35.44`	`gewt`	`activex ftl`
`02:35.46`	`bbelt16ag`	`yall funny`
`02:35.46`	`enouf`	`those two words/letters do not ever belong in the same sentence!`
`02:35.49`	`gewt`	`Active X fwt`
`02:36.16`	`gewt`	`(as X being active)`
`02:36.25`	`bbelt16ag`	`ok.. since its i386 and not 64 bit.. how do I get it downloaded in aptitude`
`02:36.33`	`bbelt16ag`	`haven't done this in a while..`
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`02:38.33`	`enouf`	`bbelt16ag: if screen is too complicated for ya, http://dtach.sf.net`
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`02:39.10`	`bbelt16ag`	`I got no problems with screen`
`02:39.15`	`bbelt16ag`	`I use it for bittorrent`
`02:39.18`	`enouf`	`then get to it`
`02:39.32`	`bbelt16ag`	`I will use it once they get done copying over.`
`02:39.36`	`bbelt16ag`	`don't want to interrupt process`
`02:39.41`	`pl4yer0ne`	`enouf, process is already running`
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`02:39.53`	`bbelt16ag`	`yeah`
`02:40.11`	`enouf`	`bbelt16ag: there's no interruption of process from attaching/detaching/reattaching`
`02:40.25`	`gewt`	`?`
`02:40.30`	`enouf`	`you started it incorrectly then`
`02:40.42`	`enouf`	`your fault - suffer`
`02:41.03`	`pl4yer0ne`	`no need to be a wanker`
`02:41.09`	`bbelt16ag`	`I know`
`02:41.16`	`bbelt16ag`	`its my fault always my fault..`
`02:41.28`	`jelly-home`	`enouf: the whole conversation _was_ about ways to look at a process not running in screen`
`02:41.31`	`bbelt16ag`	`id10t error`
`02:41.36`	`enouf`	`bbelt16ag: well .. considering your ntfs issues .. heh`
`02:41.49`	`bbelt16ag`	`well we got it working though`
`02:41.52`	`enouf`	`jelly-home: ok - missed that -- too much other crap lines`
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`02:42.51`	`bbelt16ag`	`is there a way to tell if a usb device is using usb 2.0 or usb 1.0?`
`02:44.03`	`gewt`	`maybe.`
`02:44.24`	`Synaptic`	`I'm trying to figure out how to configure my Cisco wireless card with my Thinkpad and I don't have any trouble connecting to WAPs without WEP or PSK but I have no idea how to make kwifimanager work with WEP/PSK's it doesn't prompt you to imput anything.`
`02:44.39`	`Synaptic`	`I've added the PSK key to my /etc/network/interfaces file`
`02:44.44`	`pl4yer0ne`	`yeah sorry enouf was that you not reading the actual conversation and just chiming in with irelevant info?`
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`02:45.13`	`Synaptic`	`Although I'm a little confused by the fact my wireless card has both wifi0 eth1 as interfaces`
`02:45.16`	`jelly-home`	`pl4yer0ne: that's not the usual modus operandi?`
`02:45.38`	`enouf`	`pl4yer0ne: er.. it was me making useful suggestions to newbs - if you don't like my suggestions, you can ____ my ___`
`02:46.07`	`enouf`	`pl4yer0ne: learn how to spell irrelevant`
`02:46.08`	`pl4yer0ne`	`why would i want to walk your dog?`
`02:46.08`	`jelly-home`	`enouf: they're not useful if you don't read the whole thing`
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`02:46.27`	`enouf`	`because my dog is wagging it's tail all over your face`
`02:47.11`	`enouf`	`jelly-home: i dropped it - but someone else seems to have their panties in a wad`
`02:47.19`	`Synaptic`	`Also I'm running Debian Lenny`
`02:47.22`	`jelly-home`	`shrugs`
`02:47.44`	`enouf`	`right - sand in the vagina is unpleasant .. so i'm told ;-)`
`02:48.08`	`pl4yer0ne`	`im ok, just felt like being reciprocal`
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`02:48.28`	`enouf`	`too-shea :-P`
`02:48.35`	`pl4yer0ne`	`anyway moving on seems retty would work but is only x86 not amd64`
`02:48.56`	`d-b`	`pl4yer0ne: compile it ....`
`02:49.08`	`pl4yer0ne`	`its not for me dude`
`02:49.52`	`pl4yer0ne`	`I havent checked the 64 bit repo's either`
`02:50.11`	`d-b`	`grab the source from 32bit comipile and profit ?`
`02:50.14`	`d-b`	`compile*`
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`02:50.38`	`enouf`	`commie pile .. heh`
`02:50.42`	`enouf`	`CCCP!`
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`02:51.17`	`streuner`	`cough enough cough`
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`02:52.22`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: is there any useful info for you here? http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2009/02/msg00006.html`
`02:52.28`	`Thumpity`	`So just went to download Debian Lenny CD1... cd iso name has DI and rc2 in it. I assume the rc2 means release candidate 2, but what does the DI mean?`
`02:52.48`	`pl4yer0ne`	`Thumpity, DI is Debian Installer`
`02:52.58`	`Thumpity`	`I see... never noticed that before`
`02:53.04`	`pl4yer0ne`	`are you trying to install Stable or testing?`
`02:53.05`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: also hitup thinkwiki.org and see #ibmthinkpad ?`
`02:53.29`	`Thumpity`	`Have they given a date as to when Lenny becomes the stable release.`
`02:53.35`	`Thumpity`	`testing`
`02:53.35`	`enouf`	`!wwlr`
`02:53.35`	`dpkg`	`Lenny (5.0) will release when it's ready, with a tentative release date being set for February 14, 2009. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html for details. Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>.`
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`02:54.10`	`enouf`	`someone should underline the "when it's ready" part`
`02:54.18`	`Thumpity`	`i see... is that a bot?`
`02:54.21`	`Thumpity`	`testing`
`02:54.31`	`Thumpity`	`guess not`
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`02:55.19`	`pl4yer0ne`	`Thumpity, then that cd is probably what you want.`
`02:55.35`	`Thumpity`	`ok... sounds good... thanks for the info`
`02:55.39`	`Thumpity`	`cya later`
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`03:06.11`	`runa`	`is there a way to turn a debian lenny to the minimal debian lenny`
`03:06.41`	`runa`	`i mean minimal package needed`
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`03:07.44`	`enouf`	`runa: you're not talking sense`
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`03:08.10`	`enouf`	`runa: if you mean a base-install only, sure`
`03:08.57`	`runa`	`yes the base install but i dont want to reinstall it`
`03:09.19`	`enouf`	`runa: so remove the pkgs that aren't part of it`
`03:09.25`	`runa`	`i want to keep my configuration files`
`03:09.38`	`runa`	`how?`
`03:09.56`	`enouf`	`conffiles only get removed if you use --purge options`
`03:10.03`	`enouf`	`runa: /msg dpkg grounding`
`03:10.08`	`runa`	`do i have to do it manually?`
`03:10.30`	`aidan`	`my logrotate isn't happening ... what steps should I take to debug it? None of the files in /etc/logrotate.d are being rotated.`
`03:10.36`	`enouf`	`runa: all your ~/.dotfiles won't be touched`
`03:11.03`	`enouf`	`but naturally, if you remove a pkg that your .dotfile needs, you'll have issues`
`03:11.46`	`enouf`	`aidan: how abuot ls -l /etc/cron.* to pastebin`
`03:11.47`	`runa`	`enouf i mean the configuration files in etc for example`
`03:11.59`	`enouf`	`runa: those are global`
`03:12.46`	`enouf`	`remove the app, without removing the conffiles., app is broken when you try to run it, but available once you reinstall it`
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`03:14.27`	`redrebel`	`i'm trying to install debian and it always fails when it is trying to install the kernel package`
`03:14.47`	`redrebel`	`what am I doing wrong?`
`03:15.32`	`redrebel`	`I tried all the kernels available, and nothing`
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`03:16.37`	`markw`	`redrebel: it did something. read here. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC`
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`03:21.48`	`enouf`	`it moved?`
`03:22.04`	`aidan`	`enouf: http://pastebin.com/d4208cad0`
`03:22.15`	`enouf`	`redrebel: the pkg names are linux-image-*`
`03:22.20`	`enouf`	`redrebel: be specific`
`03:24.00`	`enouf`	`aidan: so, as you see; under cron.daily; -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 89 2005-05-26 10:38 logrotate`
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`03:26.00`	`Doonz`	`Hey guys can someone help me with adding a user to my box?`
`03:27.21`	`aidan`	`enouf: yes`
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`03:27.28`	`aidan`	`test -x /usr/sbin/logrotate \|\| exit 0`
`03:27.30`	`aidan`	`/usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf`
`03:27.45`	`redrebel`	`linux-image-2.6`
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`03:29.17`	`aidan`	`test -x /usr/sbin/logrotate outputs 0 (echo $?)`
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`03:30.37`	`aidan`	`that means it exits, right?`
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`03:32.38`	`aidan`	`that seems odd .. test -x will exit with 0 for non-error?`
`03:32.49`	`enouf`	`aidan: exit 0 is an exit code which usually means; "success"`
`03:33.29`	`enouf`	`er s/exit/error code`
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`03:34.37`	`aidan`	`enouf: right, but 0 \|\| exit will exit?`
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`03:41.17`	`aidan`	`enouf: ?`
`03:41.41`	`aidan`	`I haven't solved anything`
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`04:02.16`	`EugenMayer`	`is SPF suppport compiled into the debian exim4 packagE?`
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`04:11.26`	`dpkg`	`Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.`
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`04:20.51`	`EugenMayer`	`how could i get exim + SPF working under debian. I keep getting "spf ACL rule not existent"`
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`04:27.41`	`helo`	`is it safe for /var/www to be owned and writeable by www-data?`
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`04:28.46`	`neoice`	`helo: I believe it defaults to root:root doesnt it? which means that if the daemon is running as www-data and gets 0wned, it cant write /var/www`
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`04:29.18`	`helo`	`right...`
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`04:33.06`	`helo`	`maybe i'll make its group staff, and add my user to the staff group`
`04:35.22`	`enouf`	`aidan: ask in #bash or something`
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`04:37.44`	`sy`	`ok, i used /usr/src/linux for my kernel source and i think i messed up the library header files, so what do i need to reinstall to get the headers back for my libc libraries ?`
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`04:38.32`	`sy`	`in other words ... /usr/include/linux is a symlink to /usr/src/liunux/include`
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`04:39.54`	`enouf`	`if it's a symlink, remove it`
`04:40.07`	`enouf`	`your dir/ is where?`
`04:40.34`	`sy`	`is there a package i should install to get the headers back for libc ?`
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`04:41.03`	`enouf`	`linux-libc-dev: seems to be it`
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`04:41.17`	`sy`	`sounds plausible, tnx`
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`04:44.53`	`Synaptic`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:45.15`	`mash_`	`updated to lenny and apache 2 getting errors on apache startup: mixing * ports and non-* ports with a namevirtualhost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results`
`04:46.20`	`Synaptic`	`My /etc/network/interfaces file has auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp`
`04:46.30`	`enouf`	`mash_: that error sounds pretty specific`
`04:46.33`	`Synaptic`	`I can resolve an IP connecting with my eth0`
`04:46.51`	`enouf`	`mash_: how about you stop mixing and non- ports with namevirtualhost`
`04:46.56`	`mash_`	`enouf, yeah it does, but I can't seem to lock it down for some reason`
`04:47.52`	`enouf`	`mash_: well , apache2 is modular, over 1.x. see httpd.apache.org, man a2enmod, etc etcv`
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`04:48.53`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: how's your "/msg dpkg z25" file?`
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`04:49.21`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: are your pcmcia modules loaded? does dmesg \| less'`
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`04:49.51`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: does searching 'dmesg \| less' show failures/error ?`
`04:50.49`	`akina`	`hi! anyone please give me an mpeg-4 video encoder for debain?`
`04:51.02`	`enouf`	`!dmm`
`04:51.02`	`dpkg`	`i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>`
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`04:54.28`	`Synaptic`	`Hey enouf`
`04:54.40`	`Synaptic`	`Sorry I stepped away for a second let me check`
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`04:56.01`	`Synaptic`	`Hmmmm it doesn't show much in the way of errors`
`04:56.15`	`Synaptic`	`Says wlan0: deuathenticate(reason=3)`
`04:56.17`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: see if pcmciautils can help as well`
`04:56.58`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: maybe wlan0 is wrong .. do; ls /sys/class/net`
`04:57.12`	`enouf`	`but ...well`
`04:57.22`	`Synaptic`	`I don't think it is because I was connecting to my WAP at school this afternoon`
`04:57.31`	`Synaptic`	`With wlan0`
`04:57.57`	`enouf`	`who knows what or where those GUI crap apps store their configs`
`04:58.17`	`enouf`	`nor in what form`
`04:58.17`	`Synaptic`	`Hmmm... yeah I do everything BUT wireless by cli`
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`04:58.25`	`Synaptic`	`For some reason I've just always avoided it`
`04:58.33`	`enouf`	`and i bet it's your only issue :-P`
`04:58.42`	`Synaptic`	`I'm using a cisco aironet 802.11a/b/g wireless adapter`
`04:58.48`	`Synaptic`	`haha yeah it pretty much is actually....`
`04:59.04`	`Synaptic`	`Is it easy to setup through command line?`
`04:59.13`	`enouf`	`might want to listen to the bells and see the RED flags :-P`
`04:59.26`	`Synaptic`	`I've done a lot of googling but I always seem to have issues with wireless`
`04:59.32`	`enouf`	`install wireless-tools and wpasupplicant`
`04:59.40`	`enouf`	`!wireless`
`04:59.41`	`dpkg`	`Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi`
`04:59.44`	`Synaptic`	`I've got wpasup let me check wireless tools`
`04:59.45`	`enouf`	`bah`
`04:59.52`	`enouf`	`!WPA`
`04:59.52`	`dpkg`	`wpa is probably Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). http://wiki.debian.org/WPA`
`05:00.02`	`Synaptic`	`Whoooah that's a lot of stuff`
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`05:00.13`	`Synaptic`	`Hang on let me get some cat5 over here`
`05:01.17`	`Synaptic`	`Oh no it's already installed`
`05:01.32`	`Synaptic`	`What's next`
`05:02.44`	`enouf`	`perhaps http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse ?`
`05:03.09`	`Synaptic`	`alright alright fair enough`
`05:03.09`	`Synaptic`	`Thanks for the help enouf!`
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`05:04.29`	`PiousMinion`	`What is testing going to be called after lenny goes stable? squeaky or something?`
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`05:08.16`	`helo`	`dpkg: tell PiousMinion about release names`
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`05:10.44`	`PiousMinion`	`thanks`
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`05:16.23`	`enouf`	`!squeeze`
`05:16.23`	`dpkg`	`Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html`
`05:16.26`	`Synaptic`	`One more question for you enouf`
`05:16.45`	`enouf`	`j0'm0mma`
`05:16.52`	`Synaptic`	`What should my /etc/network/interfaces file look like for my wireless device`
`05:16.53`	`Synaptic`	`: P`
`05:17.12`	`enouf`	`j0'm0mma's got a squeezebox .. daddy never sleeps at night ;-)`
`05:17.55`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: same as for wired mostly .. but could also have some ESSID entries and WPA related ones, as well as pre-up ones .. one sec`
`05:18.32`	`Synaptic`	`Hmmm.. I'm so lost then`
`05:18.44`	`Synaptic`	`It refuses to give me an IP on this interface but everything else works perfectly`
`05:19.13`	`Synaptic`	`I've opened my second beer and STILL no luck I'm out of ideas!`
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`05:19.44`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: example http://rafb.net/p/j9gXLM64.html`
`05:20.18`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: if you don't get assigned an IP is DHCP working properly or is it an authentication issue?`
`05:20.41`	`Synaptic`	`Well I assume dhcp is fine because it's connected through it's NIC just fine`
`05:20.54`	`Synaptic`	`And I know it's not the AP because I have my windows laptop connecting fine`
`05:21.10`	`enouf`	`i asked you for some specific info - you never answered either`
`05:21.52`	`Synaptic`	`Yeah DHCP is fine and my authentication is disabled atm for testing`
`05:22.26`	`Synaptic`	`By authentication you mean security right? wep, psk, etc.`
`05:22.43`	`enouf`	`i guess so - i don't do wifi :-P`
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`05:23.12`	`Synaptic`	`Yeah... me either normally`
`05:23.29`	`Synaptic`	`Maybe I'll reinstall debian, haha`
`05:23.30`	`enouf`	`but no, i asked you about ls /sys/class/net and z25`
`05:23.44`	`Synaptic`	`Oh okay what do you want me to check?`
`05:24.11`	`enouf`	`that the hardware addresses match what's in z25 and show output of other`
`05:24.43`	`enouf`	`ethtool might also help you diagnose`
`05:24.58`	`Synaptic`	`I've never been in sys/class/net before honestly`
`05:25.36`	`Synaptic`	`Can't find z25`
`05:25.42`	`Synaptic`	`ethtool is installing though`
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`05:26.03`	`liable`	`its a different file now`
`05:26.07`	`liable`	`post etch`
`05:26.38`	`Synaptic`	`Yeah I'm running Lenny, any idea what that file is liable?`
`05:26.50`	`liable`	`just look for persistent-net-rules`
`05:27.05`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: i told you`
`05:27.12`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: /msg dpkg x25`
`05:27.20`	`enouf`	`Synaptic: er /msg dpkg z25`
`05:27.24`	`enouf`	`!70`
`05:27.24`	`dpkg`	`As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .`
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`05:28.00`	`Synaptic`	`Ahh-ha let me have a look at that file just a second`
`05:28.08`	`enouf`	`[23:48:42] <enouf> Synaptic: how's your "/msg dpkg z25" file?`
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`05:28.45`	`enouf`	`it's now 00:28 here`
`05:28.51`	`Synaptic`	`Taking a look`
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`05:30.11`	`Synaptic`	`All I have is 70-persistent-net.rules`
`05:31.20`	`enouf`	`ofcourse`
`05:32.36`	`Synaptic`	`You want me to pastebin a cat of that?`
`05:32.55`	`Synaptic`	`Sorry I normally know what I'm doing but I guess I haven't dived this deep into the networking side of linux`
`05:33.05`	`Synaptic`	`Never even seen these files before.. haha`
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`05:39.41`	`aarcane`	`holy.. um.. penguins? I was browsing the intarwebs, and I noticed that installing Debian 5rc2 now uses BLUE-RAY Disks!!! But that they're only available via jigdo. will the final release have them available via Direct download or BitTorrent ?`
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`05:40.30`	`neoice`	`aarcane: that's probably for the FULLEST install, which includes a full snapshot of the entire repo. you probably want the standard CD install or the network install (~175 MB)`
`05:41.10`	`neoice`	`aarcane: from the netinstall CD you actually get a full kernel + base system. all you need is a network cable and then you can install anything from apt`
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`05:41.33`	`liable`	`aarcane: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc2/i386/jigdo-bd/`
`05:42.20`	`aarcane`	`yeah, yeah. I've used debian off and on for years. I'm just majorly not a fan of jigdo, and would love to have a full debian install and repo available on one disk.`
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`05:43.48`	`neoice`	`does anyone happen to know how many VMs Xen can support?`
`05:44.05`	`enouf`	`!42`
`05:44.05`	`dpkg`	`from memory, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or not the meaning of life`
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`05:50.24`	`EugenMayer`	`can someone in short explain me how to use the rrdcollector?`
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`06:00.02`	`karsten`	`nnneEssentially unlimited other than by your local physical RAM (which can't be virtualized among MVs).`
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`06:00.09`	`karsten`	`neoice: ^^`
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`06:01.11`	`karsten`	`neoice: IIRC about 64M overhead for the hypervisor itself, and 128-256 MB per dom0 / domU instance, for a light install.`
`06:01.33`	`neoice`	`karsten: thanks :D thats good info.`
`06:01.52`	`karsten`	`neoice: In theory, largest machine I've encountered should be able to handle about 1000 domUs.`
`06:02.28`	`karsten`	`neoice: KVM allows you to virtualize memory among guests, IIUC, and should allow a much larger number of guests (tens of thousands).`
`06:02.41`	`karsten`	`neoice: That's theory. Note the usual comment on theory and practice.`
`06:02.57`	`karsten`	`neoice: I used to work for XenSource. My info is a few years stale now (2006).`
`06:03.12`	`neoice`	`karsten: have a link on hand? I generally hear KVM in reference to KVM switches`
`06:03.26`	`karsten`	`neoice: Kernel Virtual Machines.`
`06:03.35`	`neoice`	`karsten: well thats cool. I'm trying to figure out how to waste my tax refund on a sexy VPS machine :P`
`06:03.51`	`karsten`	`neoice: Was Qumranet IIRC, bought by Red Hat, CTO was Mosche Bar, who'd hired me at XenSource back in the day.`
`06:03.56`	`karsten`	`neoice: :)`
`06:04.18`	`karsten`	`neoice: I've read about KVM haven't played with it.`
`06:04.31`	`karsten`	`neoice: http://kvm.qumranet.com/`
`06:05.14`	`neoice`	`karsten: mainline as of 2.6.20. huzzah for lenny`
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`06:06.00`	`karsten`	`neoice: Yeah, KVM's gotten a lot more love from the kernel team than Xen.`
`06:06.13`	`karsten`	`Not getting bought by a Microsoft proxy may have something to do with that.`
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`06:14.29`	`Panarchy`	`Is it possible to set a logical partition to active?`
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`06:17.10`	`karsten`	`Panarchy: As in bootable, in fdisk / cfdisk?`
`06:18.03`	`Panarchy`	`not sure`
`06:18.14`	`Panarchy`	`never used Linux's command line formatting utility`
`06:21.58`	`karsten`	`Panarchy: Next question would be "why would you want to do that". Generally you just install GRUB on the MBR itself. If you're using a bootable flag it's for the BIOS to find the bootloader, IIRC.`
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`06:22.56`	`karsten`	`Panarchy: You could just try and see what happens ;-)`
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`06:57.50`	`newsense`	`anyone farmiliar with "file system loop detected" error from find -L ?`
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`07:10.20`	`newsense`	`why is /usr/bin/X11 a symlink to . ?`
`07:11.22`	`milligan_`	`I have a tar file, that contains a directory structure and some files. If I want to the get file /some/path/to/myFile/file.html , would the command be tar -xvzf tar.bz2 /some/path/to/myFile/file.html ?`
`07:12.20`	`ppalmes`	`newsense: so that all bin inside X11 can be access as /usr/bin instead of /usr/bin/X11`
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`07:13.34`	`ppalmes`	`milligan_: why don't you try it out?`
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`07:13.48`	`newsense`	`ppalmes: how can i get find -L towork without complaining ?`
`07:13.58`	`milligan_`	`ppalmes, because it's a big archive and takes a long time to execute. I was wondering if it was the correct command.`
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`07:19.37`	`dondelelcaro`	`milligan_: no, because -z is for gzip'ed archives.`
`07:20.09`	`milligan_`	`dondelelcaro, I ment -xvf :)`
`07:20.36`	`newsense`	`anyone know how i could get find -L to work without complaining about /usr/bin/X11 being a symlink to . ?`
`07:20.52`	`milligan_`	`anyway, I think I found the solution .. I can just put all the wanted files and their locations after the file , and they should be extracted.`
`07:21.02`	`newsense`	`google isnt playing nice with this problem`
`07:21.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`milligan_: and in most cases, / is stripped off the archive; tar -jtf foo.tar.bz2; to verify.`
`07:21.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`milligan_: that won't work either`
`07:22.26`	`milligan_`	`tar -xvf file.bz2 somee/path/to/file.html some/path23/to/file2.html some/path4/to/file3.html <- That's not valid?`
`07:24.04`	`dondelelcaro`	`nope`
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`07:25.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`(well, unless you just randomly name things .bz2)`
`07:26.02`	`milligan_`	`so what should it be ?`
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`07:29.11`	`EugenMayer`	`anybody can help me with nagiosgrapher under debian. Iam not sure the package is completely broken`
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`07:33.10`	`xoz`	`newsense: what is the exact command and the error?`
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`07:34.48`	`newsense`	`xoz http://paste.debian.net/27760`
`07:35.00`	`akina`	`hi! i'm installing freej for me to record video from webcam, but duing the installation after ./configure && make and make install i had this error: tbt.cpp:250: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to âchar*â can anyone please tell me how to solve this error. im using debian etch v2.6.17`
`07:35.43`	`akina`	`sorry, debian etch v2.6.18`
`07:35.56`	`newsense`	`im trying to start shell scripting and i figured id read through some basic man pages and started rediscovering old find arguments to try and thats when i got that error`
`07:37.05`	`MasterOfDisaster`	`akina: it's a compiler warning, you don't have to fix that.`
`07:37.41`	`newsense`	`anyone know how i could get find -L to work without complaining about /usr/bin/X11 being a symlink to . ?`
`07:38.14`	`akina`	`MasterOfDisaster: so how will i install freej if i cannot make install?`
`07:38.26`	`newsense`	`http://paste.debian.net/27760 <- paste of the error i get from find`
`07:39.00`	`MasterOfDisaster`	`akina: just remove the "-Werror" flag from the makefile`
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`07:41.16`	`akina`	`MasterOfDisaster: I ahve searched the Makefile for a word "-Werror" but i can't find any of those`
`07:42.55`	`EugenMayer`	`how to receate all configuration files?`
`07:43.20`	`MasterOfDisaster`	`akina: run "(make clean ; make) 2>&1 \| tee log" and nopaste log`
`07:43.36`	`newsense`	`EugenMayer: /msg dpkg confmiss`
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`07:48.09`	`MasterOfDisaster`	`akina: of course it's "make clean ; make ; make install", sorry`
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`07:48.47`	`akina`	`MasterOfDisaster: okay i'll repeat it.`
`07:48.52`	`akina`	`:)`
`07:49.34`	`MasterOfDisaster`	`repeat? oh, you pasted it in #flood?`
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`07:56.57`	`newsense`	`valdyn: thought it would give me the informationon the file at the end of the links as i know /usr/bin/vi is a symlink`
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`07:58.38`	`SerajewelKS`	`weird, apparently grub can't cope with lvm?`
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`07:59.09`	`SerajewelKS`	`at least d-i doesn't offer grub when using lvb`
`07:59.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`m*`
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`08:27.56`	`ezguy`	`i like to get some opions on what make debian the best or flavor linux over other distros?`
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`08:29.44`	`ezguy`	`anyone?`
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`08:35.13`	`hark`	`SerajewelKS: yeah, you need a separate /boot`
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`08:45.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`#debian-offtopic`
`08:45.07`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`argh`
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`08:47.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, anyone still awake here, then?`
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`08:52.34`	`proyecto`	`I have a tar file of a directory (all files are into X directory) but I want to extract to current directory, removing X, how can I do it?`
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`08:55.08`	`SerajewelKS`	`proyecto: --strip 1`
`08:55.16`	`proyecto`	`thanks`
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`08:56.18`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`now you made him miss the wonderful world of manpages :(`
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`09:00.28`	`proyecto`	`CutMeOwnThroat: no, it seems the manpage is outdated, I checked tar --help and it disagrees`
`09:00.51`	`proyecto`	`CutMeOwnThroat: I can read manpages, but if they are outdated...`
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`09:01.27`	`g00se`	`Is it possible to stop /tmp being emptied on reboot?`
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`09:05.54`	`rpaulson`	`g00se: I guess you'd have to mount /tmp on something other than tmpfs`
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`09:08.06`	`g00se`	`rpaulson: But wouldn't it be 'too late' by the time i got a chance to do that?`
`09:08.16`	`redspike`	`How i get the AD permissions when i mount a windows share in debian? if i mount /server/share1$ to /mnt/share1 it says the owner of the files are root, but ill whant to get the real permissions from the ad ?`
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`09:17.12`	`prxtien`	`hey, can anyone help me get my sound card working in debian, i have compile alsa and the alsa driver for my via card into the kernel - http://pastebin.com/m78d30624 - i have adjusted the mixer, but i cant get any output`
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`09:17.48`	`g00se_`	`rpaulson: Just got power outage - now you can see why i'm asking this question ;-)`
`09:18.32`	`g00se_`	`I didn't see any comments after my last`
`09:18.40`	`rpaulson`	`oh`
`09:18.51`	`rpaulson`	`10:11 < rpaulson> g00se: copy /tmp to your home folder first..`
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`09:20.00`	`hackybg`	`http://myspace.com/hackybg`
`09:20.02`	`hackybg`	`http://myspace.com/hackybg`
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`09:20.27`	`ChrisW1`	`how do I re-install a package?`
`09:20.29`	`craigevil`	`!ops hackybg spamm`
`09:20.29`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: craigevil complains about: hackybg spamm`
`09:20.34`	`amphi`	`hackybg: what you say?`
`09:20.49`	`craigevil`	`ChrisW1: apt-get install --reinstall`
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`09:34.37`	`enouf`	`g00se_: see /etc/default/rcS TMPTIME= setting`
`09:35.14`	`anewbie`	`hi there guys i run proftpd on my machine but i can't connect`
`09:35.24`	`anewbie`	`i recive connection closed by remote host for output`
`09:35.28`	`anewbie`	`and when i make nmap scan`
`09:35.29`	`yac`	`then u r fucked`
`09:35.31`	`anewbie`	`there is no open 21 port`
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`09:35.52`	`petemc`	`anewbie: are you going through a firewall?`
`09:36.01`	`g00se_`	`enouf: Great stuff - i'll check it out. Thanks`
`09:36.15`	`anewbie`	`no`
`09:36.27`	`anewbie`	`direct static ip connection`
`09:36.39`	`yac`	`anewbie: are u going to make me a coffee or wat?`
`09:36.42`	`enouf`	`g00se_: it's in number-of-days`
`09:38.13`	`anewbie`	`yac, is there any problem here ? if you dont want to help there is no reason to make this replics i trying to do something`
`09:38.22`	`g00se_`	`enouf: Thanks. I work in /tmp a lot so a power outage can be a PITA`
`09:38.25`	`petemc`	`anewbie: just ignore that fool`
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`09:38.49`	`petemc`	`anewbie: does ps aux\|grep ftp on the host show proftpd listening?`
`09:38.54`	`bolt-work`	`!aolsmite yac`
`09:38.58`	`bolt-work`	`bah`
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`09:39.08`	`anewbie`	`wait to check`
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`09:39.29`	`anewbie`	`petemc, yeah you are right it is not started`
`09:40.16`	`yac`	`anewbie: ok, maybe you can help me with issue i am having`
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`09:40.29`	`anewbie`	`hmm`
`09:41.17`	`yac`	`anewbie: im sometimes watching over friends house and he has very cool ... erm, garden with fucking huge garage`
`09:41.21`	`anewbie`	`there is no proftpd in init.d and when i try sudo proftpd i recive localhost - fatal : Socket operation on non-socket`
`09:41.35`	`yac`	`so i tried to get in a car and push thrust, but it didnt do anything`
`09:41.46`	`yac`	`do you know what can be wrong?`
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`09:42.56`	`anewbie`	`you maybe have problem with the starting mechanism ... check out the starter block if u have ford`
`09:43.25`	`yac`	`starting? wut starting?`
`09:43.45`	`anewbie`	`thrust you mean that you roll the key ?`
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`09:43.51`	`yac`	`do i have to start it first somehow?`
`09:44.01`	`anewbie`	`yeah verry funy duude`
`09:44.17`	`yac`	`fucking yeah :)`
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`09:44.37`	`anewbie`	`infact it is not couse i try to start it and recive that`
`09:44.38`	`anewbie`	`localhost - fatal : Socket operation on non-socket`
`09:44.41`	`yac`	`soz guy, i havent slept two days so i am getting funny :)`
`09:45.18`	`anewbie`	`yeah i understand that`
`09:45.29`	`anewbie`	`can you give me some direction to strat the ftpd`
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`09:46.38`	`yac`	`i got along with proftpd docs`
`09:46.40`	`diazepam`	`can anyone tell me if there is an equivalent command for /etc/init.d/servicename status`
`09:46.45`	`yac`	`and u have something b0rken there`
`09:46.49`	`yac`	`i would check rights`
`09:46.58`	`fallenwrk`	`yac: worked 2 days?`
`09:46.59`	`fallenwrk`	`=)`
`09:47.00`	`bolt-work`	`yac: please stop speaking like you're on aol`
`09:47.13`	`fallenwrk`	`lol`
`09:47.13`	`diazepam`	`how does one get the status of any given service`
`09:47.16`	`anewbie`	`i install it via sudo`
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`09:47.24`	`anewbie`	`i think that give him full rights`
`09:47.26`	`anewbie`	`...`
`09:47.30`	`anewbie`	`or may be i am wrong ?`
`09:47.36`	`yac`	`fallenwrk: wroked, and combined it with home work`
`09:47.47`	`anewbie`	`diazepam, ... ps aux \| grep servicename`
`09:47.48`	`anewbie`	`.. ?`
`09:47.53`	`yac`	`bolt-work: OR WAT?!`
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`09:48.04`	`fallenwrk`	`yac: dont you worry about health?`
`09:48.13`	`yac`	`fuck health`
`09:48.17`	`fallenwrk`	`=)`
`09:48.36`	`anewbie`	`fallenwrk, yac is good man he helps the peoples to start theyr own ftp`
`09:48.45`	`bolt-work`	`yac: it was a request. there is no need to append a threat to that as far as i know.`
`09:48.46`	`anewbie`	`god will help him fot this good thinks that he will make`
`09:48.47`	`anewbie`	`;)`
`09:48.49`	`fallenwrk`	`i worked 16 houres a day until have a problem with my brain`
`09:49.05`	`yac`	`anewbie: i _guess_ the daemon is trying to create a socket but fails and then tryies to work with it but that results in ur error ofc`
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`09:49.30`	`fallenwrk`	`now i eat much drugs`
`09:49.31`	`fallenwrk`	`=)`
`09:49.40`	`yac`	`fallenwrk: fuck yeah man`
`09:49.42`	`yac`	`gimme`
`09:49.49`	`anewbie`	`yac, you mean that i must give the deamon permission to make sockets ?`
`09:49.53`	`amphi`	`gets that Sunday feeling`
`09:50.04`	`anewbie`	`yac, duude sorry but my nickname is not random :D`
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`09:50.10`	`anewbie`	`there is a reason to have it :D`
`09:50.14`	`yac`	`bolt-work: i have never beeen to aol dude`
`09:50.26`	`yac`	`anewbie: yeah, utfg`
`09:50.34`	`yac`	`im going back to work`
`09:50.35`	`bolt-work`	`gets that newbie l33tsp33k haXor invasion feeling. what the heck happened to this channel overnight?`
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`09:50.50`	`anewbie`	`... utfg ?`
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`09:51.05`	`yac`	`bolt-work: well, ppl are actually talking here! wtf happened here?`
`09:51.15`	`yac`	`thats my feeling after idling here for some time dude`
`09:51.36`	`yac`	`oh, rite`
`09:51.38`	`yac`	`one more thing`
`09:51.47`	`yac`	`bolt-work: why so srs? :D`
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`09:51.59`	`prxtien`	`can anyone help me get my sound card working in debian, i have compiled alsa and the alsa driver for my via onboard into the kernel - http://pastebin.com/m78d30624 - i have adjusted the mixer, but i cant get any output`
`09:52.06`	`amphi`	`yac: why so bad at spelling?`
`09:52.14`	`bolt-work`	`i'm not even going to bother reading those aol-ish abbrevations`
`09:52.32`	`bolt-work`	`that kind of thing really gets on my nerves today for some reason. so no.`
`09:52.35`	`cahoot`	`prxtien: why not use the alsa provided by debian?`
`09:52.45`	`prxtien`	`cahoot, yeah thats what im doing mate`
`09:52.48`	`amphi`	`prxtien: the channels are not muted? sorry, but I have to ask ;)`
`09:53.14`	`prxtien`	`amphi, i dont believe so mate, alsamixer shows them as all about 75%`
`09:53.27`	`cahoot`	`prxtien: mute != level`
`09:53.33`	`yac`	`amphi: because yo momma is so fat that she needs her own truck with driver to get in town`
`09:53.35`	`amphi`	`prxtien: M at the bottom of the columns/`
`09:53.49`	`prxtien`	`yeah they arnt muted`
`09:53.50`	`amphi`	`yac: don't be an imbecile`
`09:53.50`	`bolt-work`	`yac: behave`
`09:53.53`	`prxtien`	`they are OO ;)`
`09:54.00`	`amphi`	`prxtien: ;)`
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`09:54.20`	`cahoot`	`prxtien: run speaker-test -t wav -c 2`
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`09:55.04`	`prxtien`	`i dont hear anything from that`
`09:55.18`	`cahoot`	`no error?`
`09:55.27`	`prxtien`	`no error either yeah`
`09:55.39`	`prxtien`	`mpg123-alsa shows no error either, it says its playing back`
`09:55.41`	`prxtien`	`but i hear no sound`
`09:55.49`	`cahoot`	`prxtien: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one and the expected one?`
`09:56.08`	`prxtien`	`yeah just the one, 0 [V8237 ]: VIA8237 - VIA 8237, the one ive compiled support for`
`09:56.12`	`bolt-work`	`!tell prxtien about alsa checklist`
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`09:56.48`	`cahoot`	`prxtien: no .asoundrc* present`
`09:56.50`	`cahoot`	`?`
`09:57.08`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`rpaulson, err... /tmp is not automatically mounted as tmpfs... you can make it to be so, but it's not a default - things are removed by rm on boot afaik`
`09:57.15`	`prxtien`	`cahoot, yaeh no .aroundrc and bolt im just going thruogh that checklist quickly now`
`09:57.36`	`cahoot`	`prxtien: from alsas POV all is fine`
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`09:58.10`	`prxtien`	`cahoot, sorry what do you mean`
`09:58.22`	`cahoot`	`prxtien: doser fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything?`
`09:58.30`	`cahoot`	`does`
`09:58.44`	`prxtien`	`/dev/snd/controlC0: root 12720 F.... alsamixer`
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`10:00.13`	`rpaulson`	`CutMeOwnThroat: oh, I didn't know`
`10:00.18`	`prxtien`	`ive just done the checklist bolt-work showed me, i dont have snd-pcm-oss loaded, and i dont have that module on my system`
`10:00.20`	`cahoot`	`prxtien: from alsas POV all is fine - i e alsa is loaded and the relevant devices are present`
`10:00.24`	`prxtien`	`is that the possible root cause of the issue`
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`10:00.44`	`enouf`	`prxtien: install alsa-oss`
`10:00.56`	`prxtien`	`alsa-oss is already the newest version.`
`10:00.57`	`prxtien`	`hmf`
`10:01.00`	`cahoot`	`prxtien: mpg... might want snd-pcm-oss`
`10:01.01`	`enouf`	`prxtien: and then snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss should be loaded`
`10:01.32`	`cahoot`	`prxtien: but speaker-test uses pure alsa so ...`
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`10:02.09`	`prxtien`	`thats so odd`
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`10:02.39`	`prxtien`	`i read somewhere that alsamixer isnt supported by all sound cards, is it opssible i need to use another mixer`
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`10:02.59`	`yac`	`bolt-work: lemme ask u sumthin`
`10:03.08`	`cahoot`	`prxtien: why don't you use a debian kernel?`
`10:03.10`	`yac`	`bolt-work: WHO WAS PHONE?!`
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`10:06.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bolt-work, I see what you mean...`
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`10:06.27`	`prxtien`	`sorry i briefly got disconnected`
`10:06.49`	`prxtien`	`cahoot, because some devices i need only have patches for 2.6.26 or 2.6.28 and not default debian kernels`
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`10:12.45`	`prxtien`	`i just tried another pair of headphones`
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`10:12.46`	`prxtien`	`no luck`
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`10:13.25`	`Kohvihoor`	`so.`
`10:13.26`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`when you're compiling your own kernel, it's rather wise to start out from the debian config.gz`
`10:13.27`	`bolt-work`	`CutMeOwnThroat: I swear, it's AOL invasion day`
`10:13.35`	`Kohvihoor`	`i've been trying to set up a multiseat station.`
`10:13.41`	`prxtien`	`yeah i started with a debia config`
`10:13.44`	`Kohvihoor`	`using this: http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO as a reference.`
`10:13.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bolt-work, invasion by a single guy :)`
`10:14.05`	`bolt-work`	`yac: until you learn to speak, you will be ignored`
`10:14.08`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`feels like a 100, though`
`10:14.12`	`Kohvihoor`	`but it doesn't work. and the howto does not tell me if it's supposed to work with a singe dualhead videocard.`
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`10:14.33`	`Kohvihoor`	`can anyone point me somewhere?`
`10:14.39`	`bolt-work`	`points to the left`
`10:14.43`	`Kohvihoor`	`thanks. :D`
`10:14.46`	`bolt-work`	`np`
`10:15.33`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!happy customer`
`10:15.34`	`dpkg`	`(Another happy customer leaves the building. Should be a law against them...)`
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`10:15.36`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`Hi`
`10:15.42`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`just wondering where i could get a sid iso`
`10:15.54`	`bolt-work`	`andrew[andrboot]: if you need to ask, you shouldn't get one`
`10:15.59`	`bolt-work`	`andrew[andrboot]: why do you need sid?`
`10:16.06`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`bolt zoneminder`
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`10:16.24`	`streuner_`	`!info zoneminder`
`10:16.28`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`bolt just spent 30mins looking through most of the ftp's debian has.. o.o`
`10:16.39`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`streuner_ i seenothign`
`10:16.41`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`!info zoneminder`
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`10:16.49`	`dpkg`	`zoneminder: (Linux video camera security and surveillance solution), section net, is optional. Version: 1.23.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 970 kB, Installed size: 4124 kB`
`10:17.07`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Kohvihoor, I don't think it can work with a dualhead videocard`
`10:17.08`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`its not in lenny i know that`
`10:17.12`	`streuner_`	`judd versions zoneminder`
`10:17.12`	`judd`	`streuner_: zoneminder -- sid: 1.23.3-3`
`10:17.19`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`o.o`
`10:17.20`	`bolt-work`	`andrew[andrboot]: backports?`
`10:17.38`	`Kohvihoor`	`i stumbled upon a wiki page, and it says it can.`
`10:17.39`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`bolt no.. needs to be sid.. o.o every other distro has issues with v4l`
`10:17.45`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`well zoneminder does`
`10:17.46`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`o.o`
`10:17.54`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`and their pos live cd is to old to like my webcam's`
`10:17.59`	`Kohvihoor`	`maybe ati just sucks doing this. or i should get rid of usb hub.`
`10:18.00`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Kohvihoor, two users normally mean two X servers... I don't see how you'd have two X servers use the same graphics card`
`10:18.03`	`craigevil`	`andrew[andrboot]: netinstall or business iso, choose expert and change the sources.list to sid, or just install testing and install zoneminder from sid`
`10:18.16`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`mhm.,`
`10:18.18`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`ok`
`10:18.26`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`ty @ craigevil`
`10:18.30`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`giving it a shot now`
`10:18.30`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`lol`
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`10:19.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!enter`
`10:19.02`	`dpkg`	`The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.`
`10:20.20`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Kohvihoor, and "doesn't work" is not a very precise statement... /msg dpkg doesn't work`
`10:21.52`	`Kohvihoor`	`well, configuring everything (gdm.conf and xorg.conf) by howtos still give me one cloned desktop. or just X that doesn't start up.`
`10:22.03`	`Kohvihoor`	`http://wiki.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiseat/index.php/Mdm`
`10:22.10`	`Kohvihoor`	`this seems promising.`
`10:22.16`	`Kohvihoor`	`gonna try this out now.`
`10:22.40`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`ugh.. dumb question "Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 (lenny)" - that lenny rc2 or lenny old..`
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`10:24.35`	`HARE9`	`hi`
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`10:24.52`	`hark`	`andrew[andrboot]: yes`
`10:25.10`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`hark rc2 or old..`
`10:25.27`	`HARE9`	`anyone know of a good guide to setting up git-daemon on debian stable`
`10:25.30`	`craigevil`	`andrew[andrboot]: rc2 is just the installer`
`10:25.40`	`HARE9`	`tha package (or it's deps) won't even configure on our server :-(`
`10:25.45`	`amphi`	`andrew[andrboot]: aptitude update and aptitude safe-upgrade would make it 'new'`
`10:25.48`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`heh`
`10:25.52`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`thank you all`
`10:25.55`	`andrew[andrboot]`	`is tired o.o`
`10:26.28`	`HARE9`	`it seems to be made for runit (why?? isn't this supposed to be stable?), so runit can't configure, as we have a sys-V init`
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`10:28.14`	`dondelelcaro`	`HARE9: there's a patch for an init.d script; there's currently a bug open about it that probably will be resolved`
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`10:29.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`HARE9: see #422139`
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`10:32.37`	`vlt`	`Hello. How can I turn an LVM snapshot into a full LV and remove the old LV?`
`10:32.41`	`vlt`	`I mean how can I "merge" the changes I did in the snapshot to the original LV?`
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`10:35.14`	`vlt`	`Do I need an intermediate 3rd LV and use dd to copy it or is there a built-in function in LVM?`
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`10:38.22`	`HARE9`	`WHY make a package depend on an unstable init replacement in the world-famous debian stable distribution is what i don't understand`
`10:38.42`	`HARE9`	`this makes no sense at all for me :-(`
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`10:39.56`	`lvh\|dunce`	`Hey.`
`10:40.26`	`lvh\|dunce`	`I'm not entirely sure if this is the right channel, but how can I write the STDERR output of a program to a file? Just > would output stdout.`
`10:40.50`	`petemc`	`!stderr`
`10:40.51`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, stderr is program 1>stdout.log 2>stderr.log`
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`10:41.03`	`debian_noob`	`Which C/C++ programming application is the best for Debian/`
`10:41.06`	`debian_noob`	`Which C/C++ programming application is the best for Debian?`
`10:41.19`	`PointyPumper`	`vi?`
`10:41.31`	`cahoot`	`no odds on that answer`
`10:41.43`	`debian_noob`	`Why??`
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`10:42.03`	`HARE9`	`let us start a flamewar!!!`
`10:42.19`	`HARE9`	`i think the acme IDE from plan9ports is the bestest IDE evar`
`10:42.29`	`SoulSeller`	`...`
`10:42.34`	`debian_noob`	`What would you suggest?`
`10:42.47`	`SoulSeller`	`vim`
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`10:43.08`	`debian_noob`	`soulseller:Are you telling me?`
`10:43.33`	`SoulSeller`	`I'm just answering your question... (In my opinion)`
`10:43.39`	`SoulSeller`	`Have a look at this book: OReilly.Learning.the.vi.and.Vim.Editors.7th.Edition.Jul.2008`
`10:43.44`	`debian_noob`	`Ok`
`10:43.51`	`HARE9`	`no, emacs`
`10:43.56`	`HARE9`	`;-)`
`10:44.20`	`debian_noob`	`soulseller:I just need to practice simple programs for my exams.`
`10:44.28`	`themill`	`debian_noob: you might find something like kdevelop useful`
`10:44.40`	`debian_noob`	`themill:Hmm......`
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`10:45.04`	`SoulSeller`	`emacs, mcedit are good editors too but i prefer vim.`
`10:45.15`	`debian_noob`	`Ok`
`10:45.17`	`SoulSeller`	`If the programs are simple every editor will be good... for me.`
`10:45.20`	`HARE9`	`acme rocks all of those`
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`10:45.45`	`debian_noob`	`I want something very easy to use and basic.`
`10:46.11`	`enouf`	`use windows`
`10:46.26`	`pZombie`	`does anyone know which package is responsible for detecting my wifi? ubuntu seems to have no trouble with it, but debian the standard detects only my normal network`
`10:46.27`	`enouf`	`3.1`
`10:46.33`	`SoulSeller`	`I'm not a fanatic and I don't tell you "you this!"... I think you must try a few editors and make a decision which one to use.`
`10:46.36`	`debian_noob`	`enouf:To avoid using Windows,I am asking this question`
`10:46.37`	`pZombie`	`it is a nc8000 hp laptop`
`10:47.12`	`SoulSeller`	`Very easy to use and basic? Gedit, kate or whatever you have will be ok.`
`10:47.51`	`cahoot`	`pZombie: you probably must figure out the chipset, get hold of correct firmware and load correct module`
`10:47.59`	`pZombie`	`hm, it is an atheros chipset i just read`
`10:48.53`	`pZombie`	`i have only madwifi tools, but is the madwifi package itself on the original dvd nr 1?`
`10:49.35`	`enouf`	`pZombie: which atheros chip is it?`
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`10:50.11`	`enouf`	`pZombie: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci might be relevant`
`10:50.19`	`pZombie`	`it is one which is supposed to work with the madwifi package`
`10:50.38`	`pZombie`	`but i have no net to download it if i dont get the wifi to work ^^`
`10:50.44`	`pZombie`	`unless it is on the dvd itself`
`10:51.27`	`enouf`	`you said " but debian the standard detects only my normal network" .. to me == you have net`
`10:51.43`	`pZombie`	`yes, but i would have to search for a cable`
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`10:52.03`	`pZombie`	`and then duck and connect everything`
`10:52.13`	`pZombie`	`probably i would also catch alot of dust doing it`
`10:52.32`	`enouf`	`maybe you can have your wife make you some ham and eggs while you get busy`
`10:53.19`	`pZombie`	`btw, good job on picking gnome as default`
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`10:54.58`	`vlt`	`Hello. I have created a raid1 (/dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-disks=2). Now I added a third disk which is marked as "(S)" now. Is it possible to sync that device now and later remove one of the old devices?`
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`10:55.44`	`pZombie`	`there is a nice package i installed today i really liked. forgot the name, but it allows you to right click on a folder and have a terminal opened with that folder path. or just right click on free space within the file explorer and have a terminal with that path opened`
`10:56.06`	`pZombie`	`very conviniet`
`10:56.28`	`ReKlipz1`	`windows 7 clobbered my grub install. Is there anyway to recover it using the debian installer?`
`10:57.07`	`ReKlipz1`	`I've tried chrooting into the environment, however, the block device does not show up in the list`
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`10:57.37`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:run a live cd and run grub-install [device]`
`10:57.57`	`vlt`	ReKlipz1: `grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/your/root <target device>`
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`10:58.55`	`ReKlipz1`	`vlt, the grub-install bin is not available until after you complete the base install from the setup disk. it is only available in the chroot environment.`
`10:59.07`	`negge`	`why does Apache use 20 different processes instead of just one? It's cluttering the view in htop...`
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`10:59.55`	`ReKlipz1`	`debian_noob: I know that will work, however, I'm looking for a solution that does not require a cd/dvd burner, and is not a pita to convert to USB msd boot`
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`11:00.19`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:you have the debian install cd?`
`11:00.54`	`ReKlipz1`	`debian_noob: no, i have a USB mass storage device that I placed the debian installer onto. it does not include the live installer`
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`11:01.21`	`ReKlipz1`	`err, so, i guess the proper answer would be, kinda`
`11:01.25`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:You can make some error while installing and then select the Install Grub option from the list of tsaks`
`11:01.41`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:*tasks`
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`11:01.49`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:it worked for me`
`11:01.54`	`themill`	`negge: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mpm.html`
`11:02.07`	`ReKlipz1`	`i have tried that as well, completed all steps up to install base, and grub install becomes available, but breaks halfway through`
`11:02.20`	`debian_noob`	`Hmmm........`
`11:02.34`	`ReKlipz1`	`installation step failed, the failed step is install base system`
`11:02.49`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:i think there is no way except for using a live cd`
`11:03.07`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:But then again i might be wrong`
`11:03.07`	`ReKlipz1`	`mmk. does the live cd support dmraid?`
`11:03.29`	`ReKlipz1`	`please say yes, =)`
`11:03.51`	`debian_noob`	`Actually,i dont know`
`11:04.00`	`debian_noob`	`i hate the microsoft bootloader`
`11:04.14`	`ReKlipz1`	`actually...`
`11:04.26`	`debian_noob`	`why does it have to overwrite grub`
`11:04.29`	`ReKlipz1`	`is there anyway to get the M$ bootloader to load the debian install?`
`11:04.40`	`ReKlipz1`	`i doubt it...`
`11:04.47`	`ReKlipz1`	`specially with kernel options`
`11:04.52`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:no`
`11:04.54`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:i tried`
`11:05.01`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:which FS do you use?`
`11:05.07`	`ReKlipz1`	`ext3`
`11:05.10`	`enouf`	`loadlin?`
`11:05.25`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:MS cannot detect the modern FSes`
`11:05.54`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:did you know that MS bootloader would overwrite grub?`
`11:06.08`	`ReKlipz1`	`not without a shell extension, no. but that's not the issue. it'd be the linux bootloader. I did know, but it slipped my mind.`
`11:06.26`	`ReKlipz1`	`new feature for windows 7, optional bootloader clobbering.`
`11:06.35`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:you had important data on debian?`
`11:06.37`	`ReKlipz1`	`enouf: thanks, i'll take a peek at this`
`11:07.01`	`ReKlipz1`	`debian_noob: i can recover the data, I just dont want to reconfigure the enviro for the 3rd time`
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`11:07.20`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:ryt`
`11:07.38`	`ReKlipz1`	`right?`
`11:07.50`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:yes`
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`11:08.10`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:even i will have to reinstall Debian in a few days.`
`11:08.13`	`ReKlipz1`	`enouf: loadlin = nogo, windows 7 != 95/98/me`
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`11:08.22`	`ReKlipz1`	`debian_noob: why is that?`
`11:08.48`	`ReKlipz1`	`here's an idea... i'll just dd the stage 1 to the mbr from the debian install`
`11:08.59`	`ReKlipz1`	`that oughta work...`
`11:09.02`	`ReKlipz1`	`same thing really`
`11:09.04`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:because i have sid`
`11:09.27`	`ReKlipz1`	`and you want to downgrade?`
`11:09.29`	`SerajewelKS`	`ReKlipz1: why not just boot the installer and chroot`
`11:09.30`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:all the people here are telling me to go back to lenny`
`11:09.39`	`ReKlipz1`	`or you made the mistake of using sid as your stable enviro?`
`11:09.45`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:because i am a noob`
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`11:09.58`	`ReKlipz1`	`SerajewelKS: that won't work, the block device doesn't show up in the chroot`
`11:10.16`	`ReKlipz1`	`SerajewelKS: i'm using dmraid and dual booting`
`11:10.32`	`ReKlipz1`	`debian_noob: i see that, :P`
`11:10.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`ReKlipz1: the installer supports lvm, i'm not sure about anything else`
`11:11.04`	`SerajewelKS`	`ReKlipz1: it looks like the install does support dmraid`
`11:11.14`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:i think ill wait till lenny is complete`
`11:11.35`	`SerajewelKS`	`ReKlipz1: have you tried booting the install cd in rescue mode?`
`11:12.08`	`SerajewelKS`	`ReKlipz1: note that the lenny installer is the oldest that supports dmraid`
`11:12.13`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:you could do that`
`11:12.37`	`ReKlipz1`	`rescue mode?`
`11:12.41`	`ReKlipz1`	`didn't know it existed`
`11:12.50`	`enouf`	`!rescue mode`
`11:12.50`	`ReKlipz1`	`what's the kernel option to get that?`
`11:12.51`	`dpkg`	`Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto`
`11:13.22`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:an option for rescue mode is there`
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`11:13.59`	`ReKlipz1`	`an option for rescue mode is not there, i created the syslinux install myself, and did not add the option (it is on a usb msd)`
`11:14.11`	`debian_noob`	`oh`
`11:14.26`	`debian_noob`	`your OS has a dark future.........`
`11:14.45`	`SerajewelKS`	`ReKlipz1: is there a reason you cannot just burn the lenny installer?`
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`11:14.54`	`ReKlipz1`	`SerajewelKS: no cd/dvd burner on hand`
`11:15.03`	`ReKlipz1`	`GAH!!!!`
`11:15.18`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:install something on windows`
`11:15.28`	`ReKlipz1`	`dd'd stage1 onto mbr, GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB`
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`11:16.39`	`ReKlipz1`	`anyone got a live cd on hand?`
`11:16.39`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:what are you gonna do?`
`11:16.50`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:Oh yes`
`11:16.57`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:I have one`
`11:17.10`	`ReKlipz1`	`debian_noob: can you tell the contents of the syslinux.cfg?`
`11:17.21`	`ReKlipz1`	`specifically, the "rescue" boot line`
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`11:18.02`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:live lenny?`
`11:18.40`	`ReKlipz1`	`SerajewelKS: says it must be lenny, yes`
`11:18.48`	`ReKlipz1`	`s/:/`
`11:19.03`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:sorry i have just an install cd :-(`
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`11:19.26`	`ReKlipz1`	`that ought to have it as well`
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`11:19.28`	`ReKlipz1`	`:P`
`11:19.41`	`debian_noob`	`ok`
`11:19.57`	`debian_noob`	`youre gonna have to wait`
`11:20.02`	`debian_noob`	`i have to find it`
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`11:21.46`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz:sorry can you ask someone else,i think i lost it :-(`
`11:22.32`	`ReKlipz1`	`found it!`
`11:22.42`	`ReKlipz1`	`rescue/enable Set to true to enter rescue mode rather than performing a normal installation.`
`11:22.50`	`debian_noob`	`Good for you`
`11:23.31`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:what are you gonna do now?`
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`11:26.13`	`ReKlipz2`	`laptop battery died`
`11:26.20`	`debian_noob`	`great`
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`11:26.43`	`ReKlipz2`	`what am I going to do now. well, I could be a non idiot and realize that my USB has a syslinux installed and use it to boot from my hdd...`
`11:26.56`	`enouf`	`LABEL rescue kernel /install/vmlinuz append vga=normal initrd=/install/initrd.gz rescue/enable=true --`
`11:27.01`	`ReKlipz2`	`or, i could continue down the rescue mode path and hope that it works as well`
`11:27.14`	`ReKlipz2`	`enouf: thanks, confirms my findings!`
`11:27.29`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz1:Best of luck for installing GRUB`
`11:28.09`	`ReKlipz2`	`thanks`
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`11:29.08`	`ReKlipz2`	`btw, 1920x1080 vga mode == SWANK!`
`11:30.06`	`ReKlipz2`	`gah! rescue mode does not like dmraid!`
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`11:30.50`	`enouf`	`i doubt the installer initrd has dmraid support, but not sure`
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`11:31.30`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz2:2 bad`
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`11:32.05`	`anewbie`	`guys i have strange problem with proftpd i install it and edint proftpd.conf with Servertype standalone then i comment the line in inetd`
`11:32.10`	`anewbie`	`but when i start the deamon`
`11:32.12`	`ReKlipz2`	`maybe i can trick it, it probably just mounts the file sys i pick on some target`
`11:32.14`	`anewbie`	`it don't work`
`11:32.19`	`anewbie`	`when i check the logs`
`11:32.31`	`anewbie`	`i see that port 21 is using by inetd`
`11:32.42`	`anewbie`	`how i must solve this`
`11:32.43`	`enouf`	`hrm ./scripts/local-top/dmraid:[ -x /sbin/dmraid ] && /sbin/dmraid -ay`
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`11:33.04`	`anewbie`	`and how i am supposed to restart inetd i try with /usr/sbin/inetd restart`
`11:33.22`	`anewbie`	`and it seems to work but there is no diffrence in the netstat output for port 21`
`11:33.25`	`nachox`	`guys, is it possible to restric a sftp user to his home directory`
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`11:33.46`	`debian_noob`	`Which mirror for repos is the fastest?`
`11:34.14`	`enouf`	`http://pastebin.ca/raw/1328916`
`11:34.16`	`shad0w`	`try use netselect`
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`11:34.28`	`thims`	`nachox: yeah just make sure the user only has read/write access to his home dir, and nothing else`
`11:34.29`	`debian_noob`	`im using ftp://ftp.nara.wide.ad.jp/debian an its downloading at the speed of 1025 b/s`
`11:34.56`	`ReKlipz2`	`sheeit....`
`11:34.59`	`nachox`	`thims, not good enough`
`11:35.01`	`liable`	`hwhich mirror is the fastest depends where you are`
`11:35.14`	`thims`	`nachox: why not?`
`11:35.23`	`ReKlipz2`	`i clobbered my partition table...`
`11:35.28`	`debian_noob`	`liable:im in India`
`11:35.29`	`ReKlipz2`	`fsck`
`11:35.42`	`monkey_d_luffy`	`I was compiling an openGL application and was getting an error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL" The way I solved it was "ln -s /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/libGL.so". Is this a bug? What's wrong?`
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`11:36.15`	`ReKlipz2`	`debian_noob: what am I going to do now? reinstall my whole desktop... great.`
`11:36.19`	`nachox`	`because it's not a practical solution, all the users need access to /tmp for example, i cannot restrict this one user with acls all over the place`
`11:36.46`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz2:backup first`
`11:37.11`	`ReKlipz2`	`nah, i'm too tired. partition table = clobbered = no way to get me data easilly`
`11:37.22`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz2:did you save changes to your partition table`
`11:37.33`	`ReKlipz2`	`hell no`
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`11:38.10`	`reklipz2`	`wait a tick...`
`11:38.15`	`smack`	`my totem-gstreamer randomly stops playing and my rhythmbox random starts whe it does that. Is this a known issue? Can't see anything about it on bugzilla.`
`11:38.17`	`reklipz2`	`I think i can rebuild it from memory`
`11:38.24`	`smack`	`I'm on lenny.`
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`11:39.16`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz2:if you didnt save then reboot`
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`11:40.22`	`smack`	`I have two lenny computers that do it. My laptop and my main computer. I can't get through an episode of nightmare kitchen without it happening once. So I can reproduce every < 40minz.`
`11:40.40`	`reklipz2`	`debian_noob: I clobbered the partition table with dd, didnt back it up`
`11:40.52`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz2:cool`
`11:40.59`	`debian_noob`	`reklipz2:remake it`
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`11:42.21`	`reklipz2`	`heh, now is time for bed`
`11:42.25`	`reklipz2`	`thanks for the help`
`11:42.30`	`debian_noob`	`Bed???`
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`11:42.40`	`debian_noob`	`its 5:12`
`11:42.46`	`reklipz2`	`yes, it's this place where people do this thing called sleeping`
`11:42.58`	`reklipz2`	`it's 5:44AM`
`11:42.59`	`debian_noob`	`where do you stay?`
`11:43.07`	`reklipz2`	`USA`
`11:43.09`	`reklipz2`	`Nebraska`
`11:43.10`	`debian_noob`	`oh`
`11:43.14`	`debian_noob`	`i forgot`
`11:43.19`	`debian_noob`	`goodnight`
`11:43.20`	`reklipz2`	`?`
`11:43.27`	`reklipz2`	`night!`
`11:43.58`	`debian_noob`	`i stay in India the time is 5:13 PM`
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`11:44.33`	`reklipz2`	`that's an odd time... I thought all timezones were in hour increments?`
`11:44.55`	`Zharf`	`nope`
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`11:46.18`	`reklipz2`	`I see, some places use half our increments as well`
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`11:47.32`	`pZombie`	`failed to suspend`
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`11:51.44`	`debian_noob`	`bye`
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`11:54.07`	`pZombie`	`how do you go about fixing issues with a laptop failing to suspend on a fresh install?`
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`11:55.17`	`enouf`	`laptop-mode, acpi, acpi-support-* pkgs come to mind - /msg dpkg laptop`
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`12:01.36`	`ma3x`	`how do you make the root environment colourful just like the normal user?`
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`12:01.52`	`ma3x`	`ie you do ls -la you don't see the colors anymore like with the normal user`
`12:04.49`	`trnzmeta`	`"/etc/passwd" --> see if you're using "sh" or "bash"`
`12:05.05`	`trnzmeta`	`bash will have the prety stuff`
`12:05.07`	`enouf`	`ma3x: copy your ~/.bashrc over into /root/`
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`12:06.42`	`enouf`	`and tweak it (or, tweak your /root/.profile or whatever exists there)`
`12:07.00`	`ma3x`	`okay`
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`12:07.36`	`trnzmeta`	`guys: with gentoo and vi, when editing vi has colours and etc`
`12:07.51`	`trnzmeta`	`what package do I install to get vi like this?`
`12:08.12`	`enouf`	`vim-full?`
`12:08.29`	`enouf`	`!info vim-tiny`
`12:08.34`	`dpkg`	`vim-tiny: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - compact version), section editors, is important. Version: 2:7.2.079-1 (sid), Packaged size: 327 kB, Installed size: 716 kB`
`12:09.13`	`trnzmeta`	`nah got vim-tiny and vim-full`
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`12:10.48`	`enouf`	`trnzmeta: ~$ sudo update-alternatives --config editor`
`12:10.53`	`enouf`	`or as root`
`12:11.37`	`enouf`	`er --config vi , --config vim :-)`
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`12:13.01`	`_strog`	`i have installed a basic debian system with no gui`
`12:13.20`	`enouf`	`wonderful`
`12:13.23`	`_strog`	`is there a possibility to change the resolution when im using vbox at fullscreenmode?`
`12:13.45`	`enouf`	`!fbcon resolution`
`12:13.45`	`dpkg`	`methinks fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot.`
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`12:14.09`	`pZombie`	`_strog yes, install the vbox guest additions and it will work automagically`
`12:14.14`	`enouf`	`knows not about applying that to vbox`
`12:14.35`	`_strog`	`pZombie: i have tried that but there is no effect`
`12:15.00`	`trnzmeta`	`enouf: pointing to the vim-full, but no luck, any ideas?`
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`12:16.02`	`pZombie`	`_strog - first i have to make sure we mean the same. What i talk about is vbox adjusting your guest resolution whenever you increase your window size, automatically to fill the whole window. also when fullscreen, it makes sure it takes up the full screen`
`12:16.15`	`pZombie`	`that effect you can have only after you install the additions and reboot`
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`12:16.33`	`pZombie`	`now if you mean something else, i dont know`
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`12:16.50`	`enouf`	`trnzmeta: nope, not really - have a peak at apt-cache search vim ; apt-cache show <pkgname>`
`12:16.56`	`pZombie`	`but this one works pretty well at least on ubuntu i am using within my vbox`
`12:17.01`	`pZombie`	`did not try with debian`
`12:17.22`	`Ancho`	`trnzmeta: when starting vim type ":syn on" if there is no highlighting`
`12:17.27`	`enouf`	`trnzmeta: apt-cache search ^vim (or use --names-only vim) ; apt-cache show <pkgname>`
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`12:17.40`	`hark`	`trnzmeta: :syn on`
`12:17.56`	`enouf`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:18.09`	`pZombie`	`anyway i hoped debian would not have the issues with suspend on my lappy`
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`12:18.45`	`karmatronic`	`lenny on feb14th?`
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`12:19.11`	`alcohol`	`karmatronic: no, 15th`
`12:19.19`	`alcohol`	`people keep making the same mistake`
`12:19.20`	`alcohol`	`;(`
`12:19.27`	`_strog`	`pZombie: yes that is correct it is whenever i want to maximize the client debian system's window to fullscreen, i want that the debian cleint system fills up the whole window and not to have a black frame around it`
`12:19.42`	`BitUnique`	`lenny rc2 ^^^ sexy`
`12:19.59`	`g00se`	`Suddenly /dev doesn't recognize my camera. What could be the prob?`
`12:20.05`	`pZombie`	`_strog thats what the guest additions do, including giving you a much smoother mouse movement`
`12:20.06`	`diclev`	`Hello. How can I run compiz? (now only command... then maybe advices) Etch 4.0r5, Radeon 9550`
`12:20.23`	`enouf`	`g00se: it's not a matter of /dev recognizing anything`
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`12:20.36`	`pZombie`	`_strog - if you cannot get it to work, then try a ubuntu distro. prefetable 8.04 - it works best in the vbox from my experience`
`12:20.37`	`enouf`	`g00se: look in dmesg`
`12:20.39`	`trnzmeta`	`Ancho: that did the trick :)`
`12:20.53`	`g00se`	`OK, sorry i meant it's not appearing in /dev`
`12:21.01`	`trnzmeta`	`thanks all :)`
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`12:22.00`	`Zharf`	`anyone want to recommend some good game from debian repository, preferrably something that doesn't require a mouse since I'm on a laptop with a touchpad.. I just want something to entertain myself with on the bus`
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`12:22.14`	`Maulkin`	`install goplay`
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`12:22.24`	`Maulkin`	`Oh, and blobwars?`
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`12:23.35`	`_strog`	`pZombie: i have a host system that has limited memory that is y i won't use any gui`
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`12:23.58`	`YAA1`	`SHAT HAPPENED TO " /var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict " ?? can't find it there. some software expect a dictionary "file" there. but its missing. all I can find there is a dictionary "database" - but that is not supported by that software/scripts. I've searched google for hours now with no luck. how to get back such a cracklib_dict "file" ???`
`12:24.21`	`YAA1`	`WHAT HAPPENED TO " /var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict " ?? can't find it there. some software expect a dictionary "file" there. but its missing. all I can find there is a dictionary "database" - but that is not supported by that software/scripts. I've searched google for hours now with no luck. how to get back such a cracklib_dict "file" ???`
`12:24.27`	`g00se`	`enouf: dmesg says it's sda1. /dev says otherwise`
`12:24.53`	`enouf`	`g00se: fdisk -l /dev/sda looks correct?`
`12:24.55`	`g00se`	`enouf: In fact /dev says nothing about it at all`
`12:25.22`	`pZombie`	`_strog - try jeOS then - also based on debian/ubuntu, but specifically tailored around VMs`
`12:25.25`	`enouf`	`g00se: ps aux \| grep [u]devd`
`12:25.31`	`Sazpaimon_`	`Im trying to find source packages for oggkate but all i can find is this page: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/libkate_0.3.0-1.html#binary-kate-tools-file-listing`
`12:25.53`	`_strog`	`ok ill check that out`
`12:25.54`	`g00se`	`enouf: No output at all from fdisk so it looks wrong`
`12:25.56`	`_strog`	`thanks`
`12:26.08`	`enouf`	`g00se: so pastebin dmesg`
`12:26.11`	`Sazpaimon_`	`anyone know what I do at this page?`
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`12:26.18`	`Sazpaimon_`	`I'd really like to get ahold of these files`
`12:26.29`	`pZombie`	`i might have a clean fresh jeos, i will test now if it works`
`12:26.33`	`pZombie`	`give me a minute`
`12:26.36`	`g00se`	`enouf: udevd is running`
`12:26.42`	`pZombie`	`never thought about installing guest on this`
`12:27.11`	`enouf`	`~$ apt-cache showsrc ogg`
`12:27.12`	`enouf`	`ogg123 oggconvert oggfwd oggz-tools`
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`12:29.16`	`g00se`	`enouf: http://debian.pastebin.com/ma995140`
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`12:30.29`	`enouf`	`looks disconnected`
`12:30.58`	`YAA1`	`WHAT HAPPENED TO " /var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict " ?? can't find it there. some software expect a dictionary "file" there. but its missing. all I can find there is a dictionary "database" - but that is not supported by that software/scripts. I've searched google for hours now with no luck. how to get back such a cracklib_dict "file" ???`
`12:31.15`	`jelly`	`yogg sothoth`
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`12:31.35`	`jelly`	`!tell YAA1 -about repeat`
`12:31.39`	`enouf`	`does ls -l /dev/disk/* show the camera as sda in all places - if so; eject /dev/sda ; then remove it, then plug it in, then dmesg \| tail`
`12:32.20`	`g00se`	`enouf: No - that's the point. There's no sign of it in /dev anywhere`
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`12:34.01`	`enouf`	`run udevmonitor in a shell ; unplug, then plug it in`
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`12:35.00`	`pZombie`	`aw, i really should remember to write down the mac addresses of my VMs`
`12:35.25`	`pZombie`	`cannot get it to install without the right packages, and my net is down because the mac address switch, sry`
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`12:38.04`	`g00se`	`enouf: udevmonitor has functionality like tail -f (i.e. blocks until read?)`
`12:38.50`	`enouf`	`g00se: who cares; just do it`
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`12:39.43`	`g00se`	`enouf: Well i was just wanting to know what to expect ;-) It does bugger all`
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`12:41.40`	`enouf`	`g00se: expect output you post to pastebin - maybe you have udevadm instead`
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`12:43.08`	`g00se`	`enouf: No i'm running udevmonitor. No output at all`
`12:43.55`	`g00se`	`enouf: Maybe i should just restart udevd?`
`12:44.00`	`enouf`	`g00se: does your camera have power?`
`12:44.23`	`pZombie`	`how do you tell the dhcp client to assign some ip automatically given to it by some dhcp server on a router?`
`12:44.26`	`enouf`	`g00se: you might have done something to your USB stack/modules`
`12:44.37`	`pZombie`	`in debian with the standard tools`
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`12:44.54`	`enouf`	`g00se: try restarting udev, then if that fails, reboot ;-)`
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`12:45.10`	`g00se`	`enouf: I hope not ;-) Is it OK to do /etc/init.d/udev restart ?`
`12:45.23`	`pZombie`	`i need the dhcp server to assign an ip to eth2, since eth0 is dead now because of the mac having switched`
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`12:45.50`	`pZombie`	`probably i can just fix the mac address but i d like to know still`
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`12:48.17`	`enouf`	`g00se: yep - it might not work correctly though ;-)`
`12:48.37`	`enouf`	`g00se: actually use stop\|start`
`12:48.40`	`g00se`	`enouf: No. Change - rebooting`
`12:49.17`	`enouf`	`g00se: try running /sbin/MAKEDEV .. but i think your stack is kaplooey`
`12:51.41`	`enouf`	`pZombie: try /msg dpkg z25`
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`13:00.10`	`g00se`	`enouf: After rebooting all OK. Thanks for your help`
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`13:01.50`	`enouf`	`g00se: ok`
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`13:03.27`	`g00se`	`enouf: I wonder if power interruptions could be having an effect here?`
`13:04.46`	`enouf`	`g00se: sure - did you test other usb devices? how about also on other ports/controllers?`
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`13:09.41`	`enouf`	`g00se: well, i mean if it ever occurs again, but power outages are never a good thing - might want to run fsck, if not using ext3`
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`13:11.37`	`g00se`	`enouf: Am using ext3 but maybe worth running anyway?`
`13:12.17`	`enouf`	`g00se: check logs (/var/log/fsck et al), if you had a hard reset`
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`13:13.30`	`enouf`	`g00se: but do 'touch /forcefsck' and reboot normally - but 1st make sure your / FS entry in /etc/fstab is 0 1 and all others are either 0 0 or 0 2`
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`13:15.14`	`g00se`	`enouf: OK`
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`13:16.12`	`DogWater`	`Does anyone know if 'debmirror' is a proper way to mirror debian and if so what the 'sections' are for debian?`
`13:16.55`	`DogWater`	`i'm using it currently to mirror ubuntu and it works well but i cant find any working documentation for how to do it with debian`
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`13:33.54`	`dpkg`	`<kbrooks> i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it`
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`13:41.52`	`Fox_1_`	`hi all`
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`13:43.59`	`denter`	`s.a`
`13:44.07`	`denter`	`debiana yeni baÅladÄ±m`
`13:44.12`	`denter`	`depo ya nerden girecem`
`13:44.32`	`jelly`	`!tr`
`13:44.32`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg`
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`13:45.33`	`denter`	`thank you`
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`13:51.37`	`Fox_1_`	`people is there gzip mod for apache2`
`13:51.38`	`Fox_1_`	`?`
`13:52.29`	`enouf`	`apt-cache search libapache2 \| grep gzip`
`13:52.48`	`redspike`	`Hi is there any way to add mount options to the windows share mounter in gnome?`
`13:52.50`	`redspike`	`i have problems with openoffice and i have read that it shold help to add nobrl option when mounting the share`
`13:53.14`	`cahoot`	`redspike: try gconf-editor`
`13:53.19`	`enouf`	`redspike: fire up gnome-volume-manager ?`
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`13:53.55`	`BitUnique`	`http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers is this one still good for lenny rc2?`
`13:54.55`	`redspike`	`enouf: it isent installed`
`13:55.35`	`enouf`	`!automount`
`13:55.35`	`dpkg`	`Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>`
`13:56.25`	`Fox_1_`	`enouf: as you can see there is no package`
`13:57.01`	`redspike`	`enouf: anf in that i can spec mount options?`
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`13:58.02`	`Relentless`	`Now Playing: Pink - Nobody Knows [03:59m/192kbps/44kHz] [iTunes]`
`13:58.09`	`enouf`	`Fox_1_: yep - same result here - though it might not be called gzip in the name - so, i dunno - search about, tried google, and httpd.apache.org?`
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`13:58.24`	`cahoot`	`Relentless: very few care`
`13:58.46`	`enouf`	`redspike: the name seems pretty self-explanatory to me .. don't you think?`
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`13:59.46`	`redspike`	`enouf: all i can se in it is how to set up auto stuff for cameras and packet pc and printers`
`13:59.47`	`Relentless`	`cahoot s my d`
`13:59.52`	`Relentless`	`I am on more than one network`
`13:59.55`	`Relentless`	`and forgot I had it on`
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`14:01.20`	`cahoot`	`Relentless: thanks for the offer but you might have better luck in one of your othere irc habitats`
`14:01.25`	`enouf`	`redspike: well, if you mean samba/cifs shares, that's more smbmount options?`
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`14:02.20`	`redspike`	`enouf: i cant se any options for that :(`
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`14:04.01`	`enouf`	`redspike: man smbmount /nobrl`
`14:04.03`	`enouf`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:04.35`	`Trevelyan`	`Hi, I'm trying to find a guide/way to have both KDE3 and 4 installed using debian packages. So far the only things I can find require that you build at least one of them your self..`
`14:04.54`	`themill`	`dpkg: tell Trevelyan about kde4`
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`14:06.24`	`craigevil`	`anyone know what the heck ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms means, thats a message that shell-fm gives every once in a while`
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`14:08.19`	`enouf`	`craigevil: i've gone through the motions of setting it all up as you mentioned, .. but still can't get it to play anything yet - i get as far as being able to enter in a URL at the "radio url>" prompt, but i've no idea what to put there, and what i try fails`
`14:08.49`	`enouf`	`craigevil: in man shell-fm-config (or .. the example file) the last field talks about cache?`
`14:09.09`	`enouf`	`craigevil: i changed mine to 24hrs as mentioned there`
`14:09.33`	`Trevelyan`	`themill, thanks, thats a little out of date, for a start 4.2 is in experimental. also it doesn't really answer my question, since at it stands the 4 packages have the same name as the 3.5 packages so can't co-exist. I will however join #debian-kde to ask further`
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`14:09.46`	`enouf`	`radio url> "http://www.last.fm/music/Faith+No+More"`
`14:09.46`	`enouf`	`Sorry, couldn't set station to "http://www.last.fm/music/Faith No More".`
`14:10.19`	`enouf`	`Trevelyan: set one up in a chroot?`
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`14:10.45`	`craigevil`	`enouf: the url is lastfm://user/craigevil/personal or whatever station/tags you want to play`
`14:11.35`	`enouf`	`craigevil: ok`
`14:11.44`	`Trevelyan`	`enouf, its a possibility, I already have a 32bit chroot for some legacy non 64bit stuff.`
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`14:13.02`	`enouf`	`heh, i can't get the friggin cursor to move within the URL field, so it HAS to be correct once you paste it, or you have to completely type it out`
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`14:14.40`	`craigevil`	`i just set the station i wanted it to autostart in shell-fm.rc`
`14:15.06`	`now`	`what packages would need to be installed (server side) other than apache and PHP to run swfobject`
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`14:18.00`	`enouf`	`craigevil: heh - what a friggin dump http://rafb.net/p/kkpDvk15.html`
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`14:18.39`	`hydra__`	`I just installed RC2 (lenny)`
`14:18.51`	`hydra__`	`Is someone also experience slow desktop performance?`
`14:18.57`	`hydra__`	`experiencing*`
`14:19.11`	`BitUnique`	`am i not suppose to see the nvidia logo splash screen after installing nvidia 3d drivers in lenny rc2?`
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`14:19.52`	`hydra__`	`BitUnique: you're supposed to see it`
`14:20.02`	`BitUnique`	`well im not seeing it`
`14:20.15`	`BitUnique`	`lsmod \| grep nvidia show the module is loaded.`
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`14:20.39`	`ma3x`	`what's sshd: root@notty ?`
`14:20.45`	`now`	`where would I find the logs for debian chat for 5th feb 09`
`14:20.45`	`BitUnique`	`how ever. i had to load it my self after using the module assist method in the wiki`
`14:20.49`	`hydra__`	`BitUnique: what version?`
`14:21.11`	`hydra__`	`BitUnique: after installing RC2, i simple ran NVidia setup. reboot and voi-la`
`14:22.27`	`BitUnique`	`hydra__: are you saying you didnt do it the debian way?`
`14:22.53`	`now`	`I know I was chatting to a nick yesterday Ku or kn something about swfobject`
`14:23.11`	`enouf`	`BitUnique: did you restart X or reboot? or`
`14:23.18`	`BitUnique`	`both`
`14:24.03`	`enouf`	`BitUnique: you need to build the kernel module, load it, and install nvidia-glx - did you add Driver "nvidia" in xorg.conf?`
`14:24.18`	`enouf`	`BitUnique: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
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`14:24.53`	`BitUnique`	`i did build the module and installed the glx driver. i did not how ever add nvidia to xorg.conf`
`14:25.02`	`now`	`enouf: do you have logs from yesterday please`
`14:25.33`	`hydra__`	`BitUnique: I installed using the NVidia installer`
`14:25.35`	`BitUnique`	`enouf: seems to have loaded the legacy drivers.`
`14:25.42`	`hydra__`	`what webpage are you following`
`14:25.43`	`hydra__`	`?`
`14:26.01`	`abrotman`	`BitUnique: which device?`
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`14:27.31`	`BitUnique`	`it loaded the nv drivers not the nvidia drivers`
`14:28.17`	`BitUnique`	`tho, there is no mentioning of which driver it loads in xorg.conf`
`14:28.17`	`enouf`	`that's not legacy, that's Xorg`
`14:28.17`	`hydra__`	`i can't believe it ... lenny RC2's desktop performance is terrible`
`14:28.17`	`abrotman`	`desktop is vague`
`14:28.21`	`hydra__`	`abrotman: gnome, xfce, kde`
`14:28.27`	`hydra__`	`moving windows, scrolling`
`14:28.27`	`abrotman`	`gnome works fine for me`
`14:28.28`	`hydra__`	`etc`
`14:28.30`	`enouf`	`all 3 huh?`
`14:28.35`	`hydra__`	`yes, all 3!`
`14:28.47`	`abrotman`	`hydra__: 64MB RAM ?`
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`14:28.52`	`enouf`	`haha`
`14:29.03`	`jelly`	`hydra__: which previous OS worked better?`
`14:29.04`	`craigevil`	`enouf: lastfm://user/craigevil/recommended just worked but yeah i cant seem to get other tags or stations to work either`
`14:29.09`	`hydra__`	`abrotman: 2.53GHz Duo2, 4G ddr3, 9600M GT`
`14:29.13`	`abrotman`	`though the KDE people tell me that 64MB of RAM ought to be enough for anyone :)`
`14:29.24`	`hydra__`	`jelly: lenny weekly snapshot ;p`
`14:29.25`	`abrotman`	`hydra__: tried using vesa?`
`14:29.26`	`enouf`	`wow .. heh`
`14:29.34`	`enouf`	`craigevil: ok, i'll try that`
`14:29.35`	`stoned`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:29.50`	`hydra__`	`abrotman: vesa? instead of nvidia's libgl?`
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`14:30.05`	`liable`	`hydra__: uh, the snapshot and rc2 would have installed the same packages..`
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`14:30.14`	`enouf`	`craigevil: i hear a phone ringing :-P`
`14:30.15`	`enouf`	`Receiving .`
`14:30.15`	`enouf`	`Now playing "The New Day" by Greg Baumont.`
`14:30.23`	`BitUnique`	`the drivers to load is defined in "Section "Device" right?`
`14:30.26`	`hydra__`	`liable: lenny image about 3 months ago`
`14:30.40`	`jelly`	`hydra__: you did do regular updates?`
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`14:30.54`	`enouf`	`craigevil: no 0 and 9 for volume up/down? :-(`
`14:31.05`	`hydra__`	`jelly: not really`
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`14:31.33`	`jelly`	`hydra__: debian has these "repositories" which somehow enable updating the system over the internet without having to reinstall every time.`
`14:31.46`	`jelly`	`a fascinating idea`
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`14:32.07`	`stoned`	`and reboot`
`14:32.10`	`stoned`	`like windows`
`14:32.22`	`stoned`	`unless you do kernel upgrade`
`14:32.38`	`jelly`	`stoned: tell me about enter.`
`14:32.45`	`hydra__`	`jelly: oh really...`
`14:32.47`	`stoned`	`!tell jelly -about enter`
`14:32.53`	`stoned`	`;)`
`14:32.57`	`hydra__`	`jelly: duh`
`14:33.17`	`hydra__`	`btw, i'm going to try different display drivers`
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`14:33.50`	`Killah`	`hello`
`14:33.53`	`BitUnique`	`abrotman: you where right. i had to add nvidia in xorg.conf`
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`14:34.10`	`abrotman`	`BitUnique: yay .. or something`
`14:35.20`	`Killah`	`A I am curious when lenny will be official released, eneyone knew?`
`14:35.30`	`BitUnique`	`enouf: thanks :)`
`14:35.43`	`enouf`	`;-0`
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`14:36.03`	`redspike`	`enouf: my problem is that if ill use normal mount -t cifs the openoffice works fine on the network share, but this is a ltsp terminal server with all users and access in a microsoft ad. so i need thay to login and it dosent work with vfs, all other applications work fine but not openoffice :(`
`14:36.10`	`amphi`	`Killah: no`
`14:36.27`	`BitUnique`	`enouf: i typed abrotman when i ment to type enouf :P`
`14:36.31`	`Killah`	`aproximatly?`
`14:36.39`	`enouf`	`BitUnique: no worries`
`14:36.56`	`amphi`	`!tell Killah -about wwlr`
`14:36.59`	`Killah`	`in mounth,year?`
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`14:37.21`	`enouf`	`redspike: no idea mate - try #openoffice.org or something`
`14:37.41`	`enouf`	`Killah: sometime in 2009 :-P`
`14:37.50`	`Killah`	`:D`
`14:37.53`	`Killah`	`thnx guys`
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`14:40.50`	`Safusso`	`Hello there. I want to switch to Debian. However, several of my most important partitions are enciphered with the LUKS interface, including /var. Therefore, those partitions must be available at start up. The secret keys are in an USB pen, and the pen itself must be deciphered with a key, which, currently, is inside a ramdisk, along with required scripts, built in the kernel (gentoo). I know that debian has an utility (ramdisktools???, whatever) to help m`
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`14:41.44`	`Relentless`	`Safusso Get a IDE drive and install it to yourmotherboard`
`14:41.51`	`Relentless`	`and install debina on that ans use gurb to boot it`
`14:41.55`	`Relentless`	`*grub`
`14:41.59`	`Relentless`	`*debian`
`14:42.02`	`craigevil`	`enouf: i figure it out lastfm://artist/Styx/similarartists`
`14:42.04`	`Relentless`	`i hate spelling`
`14:42.45`	`stoned`	`shoulda paid more attention in school and done your homework`
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`14:42.53`	`abrotman`	`should have?`
`14:42.58`	`abrotman`	`hides`
`14:43.03`	`Safusso`	`Relentless: I guess you misunderstood my question. I'm looking for recommendation on setting up a debian kernel, so that I can keep my current configuration.`
`14:43.07`	`revil`	`hi there!! will kde4 official packages be available soon for lenny users?`
`14:43.08`	`stoned`	`yeh, he complains he hates spelling ;)`
`14:43.19`	`abrotman`	`revil: no, lenny will release with 3.5.x`
`14:43.41`	`enouf`	`craigevil: interesting - thanks`
`14:43.44`	`stoned`	`revil, /msg dpkg kde4`
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`14:44.08`	`stoned`	`revil, unofficial packages by the kde team for testing, sid, but not for including in testing`
`14:44.16`	`stoned`	`revil, you can still use kde4 on lenny`
`14:44.17`	`Relentless`	`Safusso If you wish to load the same config but diffrent kernels build a debian kernel in your current enviroment`
`14:44.37`	`Relentless`	`and just make a seperate boot line your mbr`
`14:45.20`	`revil`	`thanks stoned ! that was interesting. I'll sniff around :p`
`14:45.33`	`stoned`	`yup`
`14:45.51`	`Safusso`	`Relentless: I have thought of that, (I actually have debian running with a gentoo kernel), but I'd like to make use of existing Debian utilities for setting up my kernel, in order to save me time â for instance, when I update the kernel.`
`14:46.46`	`enouf`	`craigevil: nope - still broke here - oh well - eventually, i'll dig deeper into it ;-)`
`14:46.54`	`Relentless`	`Safusso use the debian repositories and download ther kernel from there`
`14:46.59`	`Relentless`	`Its the quickest I know`
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`14:47.23`	`Safusso`	`By the way, do Debian kernel patches include any features REQUIRED by a Debian system? (If not, I'll just keep my gentoo kernel.)`
`14:48.25`	`Relentless`	`afaik No, I use the ubuntu kernel for everything debian and debian like`
`14:48.34`	`enouf`	`Safusso: required via certain pkgs , yes, perhaps`
`14:48.45`	`Safusso`	`Thanks a lot, Relentless.`
`14:49.02`	`enouf`	`such as xen-vserver patches and such, as one example - also openvz and such`
`14:49.04`	`Safusso`	`enouf: Hmmâ¦ I see â features not included in a vanilla kernel?`
`14:49.18`	`Safusso`	`Ah, right.`
`14:49.20`	`Relentless`	`enouf I will have to debate that about openVZ`
`14:49.35`	`Relentless`	`I used a general kernel for that with patches I made`
`14:49.36`	`enouf`	`Relentless: depends on kernel version`
`14:49.43`	`enouf`	`but it was an example`
`14:49.57`	`enouf`	`look at the linux-patch-KERNVER pkg contents`
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`14:50.23`	`BitUnique`	`what is the recomended package for flash?`
`14:50.25`	`jelly`	`Safusso: not really`
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`14:50.33`	`Relentless`	`enouf I will have to look at that cause I am using an old patche kernel, I would LOE to provide the lastest for my buys`
`14:50.36`	`Relentless`	`\8buyersw`
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`14:50.52`	`Safusso`	`jelly: I'm sorry, I didn't get it.`
`14:51.10`	`jelly`	`Safusso: Debian works well with vanilla or custom kernel`
`14:51.28`	`myeggo`	`gnome-apps.org does not exists anymore?`
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`14:51.51`	`Safusso`	`Okay. Well, thanks a lot to you all. I guess I'm finally leaving this LOVE/HATE relation with Gentoo.`
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`14:54.23`	`jelly`	`Safusso: replacing it with a LOVE/HATE relationship with Debian, huh?`
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`14:56.31`	`enouf`	`Safusso: become intimate with debian's use of an initrd at boot time, without it, i don't think you can use LABEL= or UUID= for / FS entries .. also, one is required if / is on LVM, and you'd need a non-LVM /boot (this applies to grub 1 atleast)`
`14:56.36`	`Safusso`	`jelly: Ah, ah! Definitely. However, I'm very confident that this relation will be saving me time. At least, I never heard of Debian having broken HALF of your system (library dependency) without warning, and requiring you to recompile that half for several hours, while you're confined to a console terminal without emacs. (At least MPD, nor ALSA, were broken.)`
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`14:57.34`	`jelly`	`enouf: use of initrd is bound to debian's kernel build more than anything else`
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`14:58.00`	`jelly`	`Safusso: obviously you've never used debian sid. :-)`
`14:58.04`	`Safusso`	`enouf: Well, my current Gentoo configuration reflects that. I have built a custom ramdisk that handles encryption, LVM, and required modules.`
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`14:58.31`	`enouf`	`Safusso: great - i just know many gentoobians are against using an initrf`
`14:58.33`	`enouf`	`d`
`14:58.43`	`enouf`	`ricers all :-p`
`14:58.52`	`Safusso`	`jelly: I use Debian sid on a production environment. Of course, before I update the office's systems, I first check it out on a virtual image.`
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`14:59.09`	`jelly`	`uswsusp requires an initrd... so I'm a bit forced to use it`
`14:59.20`	`jelly`	`Safusso: you're crazy.`
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`14:59.35`	`Safusso`	`enouf: Why? (My HATE relation ship with Gentoo is mostly against its users.)`
`14:59.37`	`enouf`	`jelly: not fiddled with kexec yet as a suspend mechanism? :-)`
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`14:59.56`	`enouf`	`Safusso: yeah, users suck ass .. i agree`
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`15:00.16`	`jelly`	`enouf: that's just superfluous.`
`15:00.20`	`BitUnique`	`what do i add to my sources.list to get flasplugin-nonfree? (lenny rc2)`
`15:00.41`	`pobega`	`!non-free`
`15:00.41`	`dpkg`	`i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/`
`15:00.51`	`enouf`	`jelly: oh? i don't think that it is, IIRC`
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`15:01.22`	`Safusso`	`jelly: Crazy? NO! I was crazy to have Debian stable on that production system â required software seldom worked as expected, for it's too old. (Of course I'm not an idiot, and, therefore, the two servers running AFS, Radius, Kerberos, LDAP, etc., are setup on Debian stable.)`
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`15:01.37`	`jelly`	`enouf: I think there's no need for a third crappy hibernate implementation.`
`15:02.05`	`enouf`	`heh .. but wait, isn't the requirement for that, a swap partition? so one can resume= ?`
`15:02.14`	`enouf`	`not an initrd, per se ... but i dunno`
`15:02.15`	`jelly`	`enouf: and just because something _can_ be done doesn't mean it should be`
`15:02.28`	`enouf`	`jelly: right, like Bloated DEs`
`15:02.59`	`BitUnique`	`pobega: i have non-free in my sources list. and im not seeing the package i want`
`15:03.19`	`enouf`	`contrib BitUnique`
`15:03.27`	`craigevil`	`BitUnique: you need sid flashnonfree isnt in lenny repos`
`15:03.29`	`BitUnique`	`pobega: i see flashplayer-nonfree-extrasound however.`
`15:03.34`	`enouf`	`!info flashplugin-nonfree`
`15:03.36`	`dpkg`	`flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 1:2.4 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 128 kB`
`15:03.54`	`pobega`	`Hm. Why is it in contrib and not non-free?`
`15:04.03`	`enouf`	`BitUnique: have 'main contrib non-free' listed`
`15:04.10`	`enouf`	`dunno`
`15:04.19`	`enouf`	`it's called nonfree .. heh`
`15:04.30`	`jelly`	`Safusso: stable + selected backports (or selfbuilt and selfmaintained /usr/local or /opt) might be the recommmended way; of course, if you keep tight control of your system updates, I guess you could base of sid as well`
`15:04.46`	`BitUnique`	`main contrib and non-free are all in my sources.list`
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`15:04.59`	`enouf`	`BitUnique: apt-get update`
`15:05.08`	`BitUnique`	`i have. i still dont see it`
`15:05.12`	`enouf`	`are you on Lenny?`
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`15:05.22`	`BitUnique`	`yes rc2`
`15:05.28`	`enouf`	`!flashplugin-nonfree`
`15:05.28`	`dpkg`	`Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer`
`15:05.40`	`enouf`	`it's not in Lenny - heh`
`15:05.56`	`scientes`	`can i put comments in the dpkg status database?`
`15:05.56`	`enouf`	`BitUnique: /msg dpkg ssb`
`15:06.00`	`jelly`	`judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree`
`15:06.02`	`judd`	`jelly: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.4`
`15:06.05`	`Safusso`	`jelly: Trust me, you don't want any outdated software in an institution whose users are accustomed to Windows, and use the quaintest formats you could imagine.`
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`15:06.28`	`jelly`	`scientes: it is not meant to be edited manually`
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`15:06.31`	`hark`	`you don't need to do an ssb for flash`
`15:06.46`	`themill`	`just use flashplayer-mozilla from dmm`
`15:06.50`	`scientes`	`well it works when your trying to let dpkg keep sort of broekn packages there`
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`15:07.02`	`J-roen`	`Hi. Everytime I log in I get a notification balloon with the text "Information about newly installed packages available. Click on the notification icon to show the available information" in the left top corner of the screen (GNOME). However, the balloon points to the icon of the Applications menu. No update icon is displayed. What to do?`
`15:07.16`	`scientes`	`but i want to keep the old dependancy info and a not so ican revert it`
`15:07.19`	`enouf`	`BitUnique: listen to them, i don't allow FlashCrap here`
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`15:07.43`	`enouf`	`BitUnique: just use flashplugin-mozilla as mentioned - /msg dpkg dmm`
`15:07.55`	`BitUnique`	`allright`
`15:08.24`	`jelly`	`scientes: well. I use that method as last resort, when no amount of messing with dpkg/apt or repackaging with changed control files works`
`15:08.37`	`enouf`	`BitUnique: er i should say i don't allow ShockTheMonkey-FlashCrap here .. i do watch youtube vids (FLV) with mplayer ;-)`
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`15:08.46`	`themill`	`enouf: flashplayer-mozilla -- not plugin`
`15:08.47`	`pobega`	J-roen: You could do it manually, `apt-get upgrade`
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`15:09.01`	`scientes`	`oh i would never use it for system files, i want firefox-3.1 but dont want to upgrad e all my libs, it works`
`15:09.02`	`enouf`	`whatever - ... but ok, thanks themill`
`15:09.10`	`scientes`	`and then it breaks instead of my system`
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`15:09.13`	`scientes`	`there are priorities`
`15:09.22`	`J-roen`	`pobega: Yes, that's what I already did. When I execute apt-get upgrade now, it says that there is nothing left to update.`
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`15:09.34`	`J-roen`	`pobega: But how can I display this information or get rid of this balloon?`
`15:09.46`	`jelly`	`scientes: download the package, unpack it somewhere, edit the control file, repack it back and put into a local repo or install with dpkg`
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`15:10.03`	`pobega`	`J-roen: could you find an entry for it in the menu? I'm pretty sure it's something like "update manager"`
`15:10.18`	`pobega`	`I haven't used GNOME in a long while so I may not be of too much help.`
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`15:11.43`	`J-roen`	`pobega: That could be the reason why it points to the Application menu, but on the other hand when I move the whole panel to the right of the screen, the next logon the notification balloon again points to the left top corner.`
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`15:12.54`	`pobega`	`J-roen: Hm. I don't know then, like I said, I am not a GNOME user. Perhaps someone else here can be of more help.`
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`15:13.42`	`J-roen`	`pobega: Thanks for your help. I didn't find the update manager in the menu, but I was able to start it via the terminal. I will take a look. Thanks again.`
`15:14.18`	`pobega`	`J-roen: the only thing I do remember is that when I used GNOME I turned the update-manager off, as it had a lot of annoying quirks and problems :]`
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`15:16.44`	`cesar_CR`	`hello guys, where can I find a good tutorial to configure a good and secure mail server ?`
`15:17.16`	`enouf`	`as opposed to a bad and secure one? :-P`
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`15:24.08`	`cesar_CR`	`enouf, or just some tutorial well recommended to build up a mail server`
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`15:24.33`	`samuel`	`hello guys`
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`15:25.13`	`samuel`	`i have a mac os x host and debian linux guest, i have some problems with the directory sharing, I cant seem to get the guest machine to mount a vbox share, i get a cryptic "sf_read_super_aux err=-22" error`
`15:25.21`	`samuel`	`any ideas?`
`15:25.28`	`samuel`	`google does not show anything usefull`
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`15:26.58`	`jamon`	`samuel: check #vbox`
`15:27.08`	`samuel`	`thanks`
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`15:36.35`	`petemc`	`19:01 [freenode] -!- - information. Thank you for using freenode!`
`15:36.39`	`petemc`	`oops`
`15:37.17`	`BitUnique`	`meh, i'd still say flashplugin-nonfree for the win ;)`
`15:37.37`	`BitUnique`	`why? coz it works.`
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`15:58.13`	`steven__`	`Hi`
`15:59.16`	`steven__`	`Am i right in thinking that under debian the version number _2.7.4-1dlg1 is higher than _2.7.4-1 ?`
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`16:00.13`	`themill`	`!version compare`
`16:00.13`	`dpkg`	`The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version`
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`16:00.23`	`mxmx`	`hji`
`16:00.36`	`mxmx`	`how do you start http from command line?`
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`16:02.09`	`karsten`	`mxmx: Um, define http.`
`16:02.17`	`karsten`	`mxmx: Starting apache, a web browser, what?`
`16:02.19`	`Ace2016_-`	`listen (the music player) is playing songs after i've quit the application, i did killall -9 on it and its still playing, then i saw python -OO /usr/lib/listen/listen.py running, then i did killall -9 listen.py but its still running :(`
`16:02.29`	`Ace2016_-`	`there was a huge playlist loaded and i don't know how to stop it`
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`16:02.53`	`themill`	`Ace2016_-: try killing the actual pid rather than stabbing at random passers by with killall`
`16:03.02`	`karsten`	`Ace2016_-: find and kill the parent / daemon process. Is there a UI element to kill it (restart the UI if necessary).`
`16:03.23`	`karsten`	`Ace2016_-: Might also check to see what's actively using your sound device (/dev/dsp I think).`
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`16:04.08`	`amitz`	`apt-get update with apt-cacher-ng always cause bad GPG error. To solve that, I move the .gpg file from /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*.gpg to /var/lib/apt/lists . This move cause aptitude to not declare the packages from untrusted sources.`
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`16:04.39`	`Ace2016_-`	`themill: that worked, i tried kill pid and it killed it`
`16:05.09`	`amitz`	`My 1st question, is the .gpg truly bad or it's actually ok, and the problem is only that /var/lib/apt/lists doesn't have *.gpg?`
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`16:06.19`	`mxmx`	`karsten i meant httpd`
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`16:06.25`	`mxmx`	`its stopped in my box`
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`16:06.32`	`mxmx`	`and when i try to start it i get thsi message`
`16:06.33`	`mxmx`	`Starting httpd: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80`
`16:06.34`	`mxmx`	`(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80`
`16:06.34`	`mxmx`	`no listening sockets available, shutting down`
`16:06.34`	`mxmx`	`Unable to open logs`
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`16:07.18`	`amitz`	`Reorganizing sentences: apt-get update with apt-cacher-ng always cause bad GPG error. To solve that, I move the .gpg file from /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/.gpg to /var/lib/apt/lists . This move cause aptitude to not declare the packages as coming from untrusted sources. My 1st question, is the .gpg truly bad or it's actually ok, and the problem is only that /var/lib/apt/lists doesn't have .gpg?`
`16:08.24`	`mxmx`	`karsten`
`16:08.25`	`mxmx`	`?`
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`16:25.27`	`cusco`	`hi`
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`16:26.13`	`cusco`	`bash is reportong a weird error where in everywere else it executed the script just fine`
`16:27.22`	`cusco`	`script is http://rafb.net/p/eOwxfd56.html`
`16:27.26`	`cusco`	`it has always worked`
`16:27.30`	`cusco`	`now it reports`
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`16:28.11`	`cusco`	`what is wrong?`
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`16:31.00`	`adrian15b`	`I am searching one of these apt.conf rules (for using in command line for apt-get command) that avoids messages like: Configuration file: /etc/fai/fai.conf What do you want to do with the local copy? Preserve, Replace,.. man apt.conf did not help me`
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`16:35.53`	`newsense`	`adrian15b: if i remember correctly reconfigureing debconf and changing priority level to show only the most important questions will fix that`
`16:37.28`	`newsense`	`adrian15b: dpkg-reconfigure debconf and change priority to high or perhaps or maybe critical, i'd go one level higher than you have it set to now and see if you still get those questions`
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`16:38.03`	`adrian15b`	`newsense: So this command automatically updates apt.conf ? Is it ?`
`16:38.22`	`newsense`	`adrian15b: i dont think so, dpkg maybe`
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`16:38.51`	`newsense`	`!debconf`
`16:38.51`	`dpkg`	`Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html`
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`16:39.34`	`steven__`	`Iv'e backported a package and changed the version number slightly (that's the only change) the package is in my repo but aptitude only see's the offical package ? not my newer version`
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`16:39.55`	`steven__`	`im fairly new to the backporting process and having trouble tracking this down`
`16:40.31`	`steven__`	`any suggestions on where to start, common mistakes ?`
`16:40.47`	`adrian15b`	`newsense: The url you have been given me it is from the package developer point of view. I just want to use an option from an user point of view.`
`16:41.27`	`hark`	`adrian15b: set a DPkg option for confnew`
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`16:41.32`	`themill`	`steven__: how did you change the version number? (you did rebuild the local repo and run aptitude update, didn't you?)`
`16:41.33`	`adrian15b`	`newsense: I want something equivalent to --assume-yes in apt-get install but that it also works with these kind of questions`
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`16:42.41`	`steven__`	`themill: yes, i added it with reprepro and then aptitude update on the client`
`16:42.53`	`newsense`	`adrian15b: like i said, you can change the priority of the questions asked by debconf to automagically handle most questions asked reguarding package configuration`
`16:43.13`	`adrian15b`	`ok, Thank you very much. newsense`
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`16:43.20`	`alsd`	`hi there`
`16:43.39`	`abrotman`	`i'm on my way i'm making it`
`16:43.40`	`themill`	`steven__: what's the output of "apt-cache policy packagename"?`
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`16:45.03`	`steven__`	`version number has gone from 2.7.1-1 to 2.7.4-1dlg1`
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`16:47.06`	`steven__`	`themill: http://pastebin.com/m7c7a44e1`
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`16:47.18`	`steven__`	`never new about apt-cache policy thats a new one :)`
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`16:47.55`	`Flaw`	`Hi, I've just setup a debian server install. It's the first time I've used Debian as a server. Is there a list of suggested things to do?`
`16:48.14`	`themill`	`steven__: that says that unless you have the package on hold or similar, then you'll get your backport version not the debian version (see the "Candidate" line).`
`16:48.38`	`abrotman`	`Flaw: depends what oyu'll use it for`
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`16:48.57`	`Flaw`	`abrotman: There are no source lists to update etc.? (I've used ubuntu-server before)`
`16:48.58`	`steven__`	`themill: ok but....`
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`16:49.07`	`Flaw`	`I'm just looking for a generalized list of possible things to-do.`
`16:49.14`	`abrotman`	`Flaw: /etc/apt/sources.list .. but it still depends what you're doing with the machine`
`16:49.21`	`abrotman`	`!ig`
`16:49.22`	`dpkg`	`I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r6 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing!`
`16:49.28`	`steven__`	`themill: when i do an apt-cache show libmysql-ruby1.8 it shows Version as Version: 2.7.1-1`
`16:49.45`	`themill`	`steven__: it should show both versions one after the other`
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`16:50.15`	`steven__`	`themill: you are correct boy do i feel stupid`
`16:50.23`	`themill`	`steven__: hehe :)`
`16:50.29`	`steven__`	`themill: thanks for your help!`
`16:50.32`	`themill`	`no worries`
`16:50.38`	`Flaw`	`abrotman: What's the best uptime monitor? (something that alerts you when the server is down).`
`16:51.02`	`abrotman`	`one not on the machine`
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`16:51.33`	`jelly`	`one _on_ the machine, configured as watchdog.`
`16:51.51`	`jelly`	`:-)`
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`16:51.59`	`Flaw`	`wonders`
`16:52.00`	`abrotman`	`jelly: to restart it .. if the machine is down, it may not be able to restart or send you anything`
`16:52.25`	`jelly`	`abrotman: if you don't get the dog's bark, the machine's gone dead!`
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`16:52.45`	`abrotman`	`jelly: or your network has ...`
`16:52.48`	`meyou`	`windows box with 20 command prompt windows up with pint -t's going`
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`16:58.33`	`Anne`	`what does this mean?`
`16:58.34`	`Anne`	`tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors`
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`17:00.05`	`Anne`	`what's wrong with the next command?`
`17:00.05`	`Anne`	`tar xvzf ventrilo_srv-3.0.3-Linux-i386.tar gz -C /home/anne/data/Install/ventrilo`
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`17:00.30`	`simonrvn`	`could anyone with a lenny box do this and pastebin it please? thanks "ldd /usr/lib/perl/5.10/auto/Fcntl/Fcntl.so"`
`17:00.45`	`simonrvn`	`Anne: uh, missing .`
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`17:01.09`	`obcecado`	`ob@laptop:~$ ldd /usr/lib/perl/5.10/auto/Fcntl/Fcntl.so linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7faf000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7e38000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7fb0000)`
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`17:03.05`	`simonrvn`	`obcecado: thanks`
`17:03.15`	`obcecado`	`np :-]`
`17:03.29`	`Anne`	`.gz wasnot supposed to be there`
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`17:04.08`	`simonrvn`	`um you're using z option, and i'm assuming it's gzipped so you need it`
`17:04.21`	`mxmx`	`why would httpd go down at the same tiem everyday?`
`17:04.32`	`simonrvn`	`if it's not gzipped then leave that off`
`17:04.40`	`simonrvn`	`mxmx: logrotate?`
`17:04.50`	`mxmx`	`EH?`
`17:05.06`	`simonrvn`	`check your cron jobs`
`17:07.37`	`mxmx`	`ok`
`17:07.44`	`mxmx`	`crotab -e?`
`17:07.47`	`mxmx`	`*crontab`
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`17:08.43`	`simonrvn`	`mxmx: all of them, not just yours`
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`17:11.49`	`mxmx`	`wow`
`17:11.52`	`mxmx`	`i see somethignw erid`
`17:11.55`	`mxmx`	`before http shtus down`
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`17:12.04`	`mxmx`	`my bandwidth goes up to 200mbits`
`17:12.16`	`mxmx`	`then it shuts down`
`17:13.42`	`mxmx`	`am i getting DoS-ed?`
`17:16.13`	`Vincent0ne-`	`mxmx: is ur pc slow as well?`
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`17:17.08`	`mxmx`	`Vincent0ne- no`
`17:17.20`	`mxmx`	`itsa serer, and httpd goes down after that`
`17:17.27`	`mxmx`	`i try tor estart httpd but no luck`
`17:17.37`	`mxmx`	`so i have to reboot teh box and problem solve`
`17:17.43`	`simonrvn`	`check your apache or whatever httpd logs`
`17:17.49`	`mxmx`	`tahs wah i am doing`
`17:17.54`	`mxmx`	`all see is`
`17:18.00`	`Vincent0ne-`	`with when I last got ddosed my whole system went slow too to a crawl`
`17:18.03`	`mxmx`	`2009:02:02-12:03:02: Error renaming Q file to tmp Q file: Unable to move /usr/local/directadmin/data/task.queue to /usr/local/directadmin/data/task.queue.tmp: A directory component in oldpath or newpath does not exist or is a dangling symbolic link.<br>`
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`17:18.15`	`mxmx`	`then`
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`17:18.33`	`simonrvn`	`erm what?`
`17:18.36`	`mxmx`	`2009:02:03-05:07:04: Error restarting service httpd : uid 0 gid 0 : /etc/init.d/httpd restart >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 2009:02:03-05:07:04: httpd didn't restart properly, re-starting`
`17:18.41`	`Vincent0ne-`	`how I sorted it, was d/c the modem and install a firewhat`
`17:18.46`	`mxmx`	`thats all i see in teh eeror log`
`17:18.49`	`Vincent0ne-`	`firewall*`
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`17:19.45`	`Vincent0ne-`	`httpd probley has problems starting if there is a lock file in /var/run or /tmp`
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`17:20.04`	`mxmx`	`hmmm`
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`17:20.18`	`mxmx`	`how about teh bandwidth spike?`
`17:20.27`	`Anne`	`I've just installed ventrilo serve, How Do I Start It?`
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`17:21.03`	`Vincent0ne-`	`seems like there is a lot of communication to the computer`
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`17:21.44`	`Vincent0ne-`	`what linux u using`
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`17:22.32`	`mxmx`	`M?`
`17:22.35`	`mxmx`	`me?`
`17:23.03`	`Vincent0ne-`	`yep`
`17:23.25`	`mxmx`	`debian etch`
`17:24.27`	`Vincent0ne-`	`ok`
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`17:24.56`	`Vincent0ne-`	`how long does the high bandwith goes on for`
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`17:28.10`	`mxmx`	`vinc456`
`17:28.16`	`mxmx`	`it goes up to 190Mpbs`
`17:28.20`	`mxmx`	`then back dwon to 0`
`17:28.26`	`mxmx`	`becasue httpd shuts down`
`17:28.51`	`mxmx`	`the normal bandwidth usae is arounf 40 mpbs`
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`17:29.27`	`mxmx`	`*usage`
`17:29.30`	`Vincent0ne-`	`as it is debian etch, im not sure if there is a bug causing that`
`17:29.42`	`Vincent0ne-`	`is it stable?`
`17:29.48`	`Vincent0ne-`	`or testing`
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`17:29.50`	`mxmx`	`usaully it is`
`17:30.00`	`jelly`	`mxmx: first thing to look at web server issues: access and error logs.`
`17:30.02`	`Vincent0ne-`	`I got testing version of debian`
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`17:30.37`	`Vincent0ne-`	`Have a look in the errors and logs for httpd it may reveal something`
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`17:31.12`	`Thasp`	`http://pastebin.com/m236c3fca`
`17:31.22`	`Thasp`	`mrtg is not happy with UTF-8 or something, how can I fix that?`
`17:31.29`	`jelly`	`mxmx: first thing to look at with bandwidth issues: determine the process using the bandwidth, using a tool like iptraf and netstat or fuser`
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`17:31.55`	`Anne`	`What does this tell me?`
`17:31.55`	`Anne`	`bash: ./ventrilo_srv: cannot execute binary file`
`17:32.13`	`Thasp`	`do I have to add env LANG=C to every script that has mrtg in it?`
`17:32.47`	`jelly`	`Anne: either the file is invalid or its permissions do not allow for executing it`
`17:33.11`	`Anne`	`jelly: how do I set permissions?`
`17:33.18`	`jelly`	`!permissions`
`17:33.18`	`dpkg`	`For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions`
`17:33.20`	`Vincent0ne-`	`I thought it was programmed for different machine or OS`
`17:33.26`	`Vincent0ne-`	`to give that error`
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`17:34.38`	`jelly`	`Anne: before changing them, check them first.`
`17:34.41`	`rvsjoen`	`probably, missing execute permissions give permissio ndenied`
`17:34.54`	`jelly`	`Anne: ls -l ventrilo_srv`
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`17:35.19`	`troythetechguy`	`any ideas why my screensaver stopped working?`
`17:35.28`	`rvsjoen`	`you moved your mouse ? :p`
`17:35.49`	`troythetechguy`	`no, I mean it will not turn on.`
`17:35.51`	`mxmx`	`[Thu Feb 05 16:36:13 2009] [error] [client 220.182.54.89] File does not exist: /home/admin/domains/sharedip/2phpmyadmin`
`17:35.55`	`Thasp`	`mrtg doesn't play nice on etch :(`
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`17:36.03`	`mxmx`	`is that someoen tying to aceess ?`
`17:36.20`	`troythetechguy`	`It worked before, but now won't kick in.`
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`17:37.19`	`mxmx`	`yeah, that IP is from china`
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`17:40.41`	`bhundven`	`anyone else following current kernel git? When I run 'update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.29-rc3' and I update-grub, then reboot into the newly built kernel I get, "cannot execute /init". am on amd64 w/core2 proc.`
`17:41.09`	`bhundven`	`I have added my sata controller and ext3 to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules too.`
`17:41.25`	`bhundven`	`...and rebuilt my initramfs.`
`17:42.04`	`bhundven`	`it is as if the kernel is not loading the initramfs image.`
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`17:43.57`	`Vincent0ne-`	`mxmx Check /var/log/messages to see if any1 is trying to get in`
`17:43.59`	`jintxo`	`hello guys adn gals, stupid question alert: I'm running 32 bit lenny on an amd64 processor. What is my best kernel option ... -686 or -k7 or -anything-else ? thanks !`
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`17:44.32`	`mxmx`	`ok`
`17:44.35`	`alsd`	`jintxo: -686 as -k7 is deprecated`
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`17:45.31`	`jintxo`	`alsd, ah, I saw the package and noticed it was "transitional" but wasn't totally sure what was meant by that. cheers :-)`
`17:45.38`	`Vincent0ne-`	`u may get ppl trying to log in via ssh`
`17:45.40`	`abrotman`	`jintxo: -686 or -amd64`
`17:46.01`	`jintxo`	`great, thanks to both of you`
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`17:46.41`	`mxmx`	`Vincent0ne- nah, onmly me and teh guy from teh datacenter`
`17:46.49`	`alsd`	`abrotman: does it work correctly on -amd64 with a 32 bit userland? last time i tried there were many sublte problems`
`17:46.53`	`Vincent0ne-`	`ok`
`17:47.02`	`mxmx`	`i gues si am gettign DoSsed`
`17:47.06`	`abrotman`	`alsd: uhm, yes`
`17:47.12`	`mxmx`	`now i need to learn hwo to avoid that`
`17:47.19`	`mxmx`	`3 hrs of downtime is alot fo moeny to lose`
`17:47.25`	`abrotman`	`judd: versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 --architecture i386`
`17:47.25`	`judd`	`abrotman: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards`
`17:47.27`	`abrotman`	`bah`
`17:47.31`	`abrotman`	`judd: versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 --arch i386`
`17:47.32`	`judd`	`abrotman: linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.6.26+17 sid: 2.6.26+17`
`17:47.48`	`Anne`	`jelly: -rwxr-x--- 1 anne anne 468420 Feb 6 18:09 ventrilo_srv`
`17:48.09`	`Anne`	`btw running debian_etch on SNLU2, arm proseccor`
`17:48.38`	`jelly`	`Anne: is that binary built for your ARM machine?`
`17:48.41`	`Vincent0ne-`	`have u got a firewall mxmx?`
`17:48.48`	`jelly`	`Anne: "file ventrilo_srv"`
`17:49.01`	`mxmx`	`yes`
`17:49.08`	`mxmx`	`accoridng to leaseweb`
`17:49.21`	`Vincent0ne-`	`do u know the name of the firewall`
`17:49.36`	`mxmx`	`no`
`17:49.40`	`mxmx`	`how can i find out?`
`17:49.40`	`Vincent0ne-`	`I use arno-firewall-iptables`
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`17:49.58`	`mxmx`	`ic an aska tm, amserdam is sleeping`
`17:50.00`	`Vincent0ne-`	`go to synaptic and search firewall and look for the selected 1`
`17:50.06`	`mxmx`	`ok`
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`17:50.30`	`jelly`	`mxmx: it's 6:50 PM in Amsterdam; not sleepy time but probably not work hours either`
`17:50.42`	`mxmx`	`yep`
`17:50.49`	`mxmx`	`i worte an email 1 hr ago and nor epsonse`
`17:50.51`	`mxmx`	`plus si friday`
`17:51.08`	`jelly`	`mxmx: how much are you losing per hour of downtime?`
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`17:51.16`	`PiousMinion`	`Anyone know how I can get gdebi to ask for password as to allow a non-root user to install packages?`
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`17:51.32`	`jelly`	`mxmx: (if it's not a secret :-)`
`17:52.18`	`mxmx`	`aorung 10 euros /hr`
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`17:52.34`	`mxmx`	`not inclduing the clines at might lsoe who host their sites with me`
`17:52.38`	`mxmx`	`*clients`
`17:52.54`	`jelly`	`it's not cost effective to hire me for two hours at 50EUR/hr then. ;-)`
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`17:53.10`	`mxmx`	`but ur regular rates are 30eur`
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`17:53.16`	`mxmx`	`why are ut elling me 50?`
`17:53.47`	`jelly`	`because I'm expensive`
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`17:54.03`	`abrotman`	`!wud`
`17:54.03`	`dpkg`	`nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.`
`17:54.30`	`jelly`	`mxmx: anyway, if you can determine which IPs are the attacks coming from, you might be able to work around it with iptables`
`17:54.37`	`linkslice`	`50 is cheap, I charge $160, signed contrac twith monthly minimums $112`
`17:55.03`	`jelly`	`linkslice: what's that in real money? :->`
`17:55.36`	`linkslice`	`a can of beans: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090205`
`17:55.44`	`alsd`	`PiousMinion: 'gksu gdebi ' maybe?`
`17:56.45`	`mxmx`	`okay`
`17:58.01`	`mxmx`	`wtg u is his?`
`17:58.01`	`mxmx`	`Feb 6 10:51:01 server /USR/SBIN/CRON[19754]: (apache) CMD (/tmp/.tmp/y2kupdate >/dev/null 2>&1)`
`17:58.14`	`mxmx`	`yk2update?`
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`17:59.05`	`jelly`	`mxmx: /tmp/.tmp/ is a highly suspicious path.`
`17:59.14`	`jintxo`	`looks like some sort of rootkit / attack to me`
`17:59.15`	`mxmx`	`yeah`
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`18:00.34`	`mxmx`	`but said directory is nto even present`
`18:00.37`	`jelly`	`ur apache iz compromised, lulz`
`18:00.45`	`mxmx`	`it doesnt exist`
`18:00.50`	`jintxo`	`mxmx, backup data, format, reinstall.`
`18:01.07`	`jelly`	`mxmx: "it doesn't exist _any more_".`
`18:01.11`	`jintxo`	`your ls command is probavbly compromised too, or some other trick to not show the rootkit`
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`18:01.31`	`mxmx`	`hmm`
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`18:01.40`	`mxmx`	`then i ahve mysql.sock`
`18:01.48`	`mxmx`	`in /tmp/`
`18:01.52`	`mxmx`	`and tis 777'ed`
`18:02.18`	`jelly`	`that's normal for a self-built mysql`
`18:02.22`	`mxmx`	`ok`
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`18:02.32`	`sneezewort`	`How do I announce to a set of switches that an IP has moved to a new mac address?`
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`18:03.01`	`jelly`	`mxmx: doesn't sound like a debian system though; default apache user is www-data, and mysql doesn't put its socket in /tmp with Debian's packages.`
`18:03.28`	`beardy`	`sneezewort: Switches doesn't care.`
`18:03.32`	`mxmx`	`hehe`
`18:03.33`	`mxmx`	`Feb 5 06:38:31 server sshd[9295]: Failed password for invalid user synar from 125.206.243.126 port 52606 ssh2`
`18:03.44`	`Vincent0ne-`	`I seen that b4 mxmx`
`18:03.55`	`Vincent0ne-`	`some twat trying to get in`
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`18:03.59`	`mxmx`	`yeh`
`18:04.07`	`mxmx`	`and always teh w00t scan guy`
`18:04.12`	`Vincent0ne-`	`on opensuse i used to have ssh disabled`
`18:04.21`	`jelly`	`mxmx: this is all less relevant. If you want to investigate an apache breach, look at apache logs.`
`18:04.23`	`mxmx`	`i cant disable ssh`
`18:04.26`	`mxmx`	`i sue ti a lot :/`
`18:04.29`	`mxmx`	`use it`
`18:04.40`	`jintxo`	`mxmx, what I said earlier about backup format reinstall, I was serious. that takes far less time/work than trying to find out and clean a rootkit, to then find out that you neither found it nor cleaned it. it's your call though.`
`18:04.45`	`sneezewort`	`beardy: mine do. If I move an IP to a new server it takes 15~20 minutes for the switch to update.`
`18:05.04`	`beardy`	`sneezewort: Update what exactly?`
`18:05.10`	`rvsjoen`	`sneezewort : clear the arp table in the switch`
`18:05.25`	`sneezewort`	`The mac table.`
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`18:05.38`	`sneezewort`	`rvsjoen: How?`
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`18:05.45`	`beardy`	`The arp table if so, like rvsjoen said, yes.`
`18:05.52`	`chance2105`	`Is there a relatively easy way to install a package's source so that the source files line up with what the debugging symbols of that package expect? Ex, libglib2.0.0-dbg (version in Lenny) - the debugging symbols point to /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.16.6/glib`
`18:05.52`	`\amethyst`	`sneezewort: arpsend -U might do it`
`18:05.53`	`rvsjoen`	`obivously that would depend on the switch`
`18:06.04`	`\amethyst`	`sneezewort: if the switch listens`
`18:06.07`	`mxmx`	`whts vmlinuz?`
`18:06.13`	`Vincent0ne-`	`kernel`
`18:06.17`	`mxmx`	`ok`
`18:06.20`	`beardy`	`mxmx: The common name for the Linux kernel image.`
`18:06.42`	`beardy`	`mxmx: Actually the name of the symlink to the primary one on your system.`
`18:06.52`	`PiousMinion`	`alsd: ok, and when I d-click a .deb file on my gnome desktop and it doesn't ask for the pass?`
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`18:06.57`	`sneezewort`	`What package is arpsend in? Is it in Lenny?`
`18:07.18`	`beardy`	`sneezewort: What kind of switch is it?`
`18:07.26`	`beardy`	`!search`
`18:07.26`	`dpkg`	`Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt`
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`18:08.18`	`\amethyst`	`sneezewort: hm, it seems to be in vzctl, which you probably don't want`
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`18:08.21`	`rvsjoen`	`sneezewort : is it a managed switch ?`
`18:08.30`	`dusty`	`what debian package contains formamil ?`
`18:08.41`	`beardy`	`FFS.`
`18:09.10`	`rvsjoen`	`dusty: read what dpkg just said`
`18:09.11`	`jelly`	`dusty: formwhat?`
`18:09.16`	`sneezewort`	`rvsjoen: Yes but my boss has the login and he won't be back until Monday.`
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`18:09.35`	`rvsjoen`	`power cycle it an options ?`
`18:09.43`	`beardy`	`sneezewort: I'm sure the arp table will flush before Monday, have a cup of tea.`
`18:10.27`	`mxmx`	`then i got the leecheras`
`18:10.30`	`mxmx`	`*leechers`
`18:10.32`	`mxmx`	`Feb 6 09:32:43 server named[2542]: unexpected RCODE (SERVFAIL) resolving 'temp1.atnet.com.al/A/IN': 194.119.192.4#53`
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`18:11.04`	`jelly`	`mxmx: is there a reason for showing random log lines?`
`18:11.14`	`mxmx`	`no`
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`18:12.38`	`beardy`	`Question 54893: What should mxmx do then? s..p`
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`18:15.04`	`mxmx`	`:(`
`18:15.17`	`jelly`	`stepping is the answer!`
`18:15.34`	`mc68040`	`my 2ct for mxmx: investigate what happened, fix the prob and then REINSTALL ALL`
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`18:16.10`	`beardy`	`mxmx: Have you had a cracking, or just seeing strange things in your logs?`
`18:16.28`	`jelly`	`beardy doesn't read the backlog!`
`18:16.35`	`beardy`	`mxmx: For ssh, use iptables to limit the number of failed login attempts over time.`
`18:16.49`	`mc68040`	`mxmx: for ssh: use fail2ban`
`18:16.51`	`beardy`	`He does, but sometimes it doesn't make sense, admittedly he didn't really now no.`
`18:16.55`	`beardy`	`fail2ban sucks`
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`18:17.02`	`jelly`	`beardy: find /.tmp in it`
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`18:17.30`	`newsense`	`mmx or denyhosts`
`18:17.33`	`beardy`	`Ah.`
`18:18.04`	`beardy`	`mxmx: Hope you have backups, pull the plug, investigate, reinstall, don't do what you did again.`
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`18:18.16`	`dusty`	`Does anyone use bindgraph to do graphing stats for bind 9 ?`
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`18:20.46`	`troythetechguy`	`I've been using Linux for awhile now, but still get confused by tty and pts. The W command shows I'm logged in 3 different places: tty1, tty2, and pts/0. pts/0 shows I've been logged in for 2 days. How can I log out of pts/0?`
`18:21.23`	`beardy`	`troythetechguy: Close your xterm guessingly.`
`18:21.27`	`dkr`	`troythetechguy: kill the shell on that term. o actually with skill you can specify a tty to kill`
`18:21.31`	`beardy`	`troythetechguy: Or your ssh connection.`
`18:21.51`	`dkr`	`skill -t pts/0`
`18:22.23`	`beardy`	`Or HUP the shell on it. ps tells you which the controlling terminal is.`
`18:22.26`	`troythetechguy`	`Thanks all.`
`18:22.34`	`jelly`	`troythetechguy: are you running an xterm or a screen process?`
`18:22.42`	`jintxo`	`dusty, don't use that one, but since nobody answered, just letting you know that I use munin for my server graphs, including bind9; easy to set up (not very powerful), ok for smallish setups imho`
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`18:23.08`	`dusty`	`sweet`
`18:23.15`	`dusty`	`I will look into it as it is not working :)`
`18:23.15`	`jintxo`	`dusty I meant to say "I don't use that one" not telling you not tu use it, sorry about the mis-spelling :-)`
`18:23.16`	`dusty`	`thanks`
`18:23.23`	`dusty`	`that's cool`
`18:23.50`	`jintxo`	`sounded kind of rude, when I went back an d read it, hehe`
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`18:24.20`	`beardy`	`troythetechguy: The tty:s are your virtual consoles (Alt-F1 - F6 by default), pts:s is most others, xterms, ssh shells, screen, and so on.`
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`18:26.12`	`beardy`	`troythetechguy: pts, PseudoTerminalS (if the s really stands for the last s in terminals, I don't recall)`
`18:26.50`	`troythetechguy`	`beardy: Thanks for your hlep.`
`18:27.04`	`beardy`	`troythetechguy: You're welcome.`
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`18:29.10`	`bhundven`	`fwiw, I used psad. it works pretty well with blocking repeated attacks. it is not really an 'out of the box' solution, but with some configuration it does a good job.`
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`18:31.58`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!wtf pts`
`18:32.00`	`dpkg`	`pts: pts (4) - pseudo-terminal master and slave`
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`18:34.23`	`beardy`	`Thanks.`
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`18:34.46`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`they're just poor slaves :(`
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`18:52.41`	`Pnux`	`i know this is a stupid question, but ive been searching for a long time and cant find how to download the unestable version, does anybody have the link handy?`
`18:54.08`	`jintxo`	`has switched to -686 kernel, it does make a (small) difference. thanks to the 2 that replied to me before :-)`
`18:56.34`	`newsense`	`Pnux: i think theres only testing and stable on debians site IIRC`
`18:57.00`	`dkr`	`!tell Pnux about sid faq`
`18:57.00`	`jelly`	`!install sid`
`18:57.01`	`dpkg`	`There are no CD images available with which you can install sid. Often, sid is not actually installable at all as sid is frequently broken. You must first install "testing" and then "upgrade" to sid. If you don't know how to do this, then you shouldn't be using sid anyway. Ask me about <sid> <sid faq> <why not unstable>.`
`18:57.02`	`koeppea__`	`what does IIRC mean?`
`18:57.12`	`jelly`	`!iirc`
`18:57.12`	`dpkg`	`IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly"`
`18:57.17`	`nick_h[litage]`	`Pnux: usually you install stable or testing, then upgrade to whichever version you want`
`18:57.17`	`dkr`	`israeli irc`
`18:57.29`	`jelly`	`dkr: shush!`
`18:57.29`	`koeppea__`	`jelly, thx`
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`18:58.24`	`nick_h[litage]`	`traditionally, websites served by Apache were located in /var/www/ . however, now that /srv/ exists, should sites be located there intead?`
`18:58.30`	`nick_h[litage]`	`s/intead/instead/`
`18:58.39`	`Pnux`	`newsense, dkr, jelly: thanks`
`18:58.51`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dkr, strange bias... don't see ppl talking much about pirc`
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`18:59.13`	`dkr`	`nick_h[litage]: I put mine in /data ;) "srv" sounds ugly to me`
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`18:59.41`	`nick_h[litage]`	`dkr: /data/ isn't even in the FHS. you rebel! =P`
`18:59.43`	`dkr`	`CutMeOwnThroat: ppl = people's palestinian liberation?`
`18:59.50`	`jelly`	`dkr: /ext ftw!`
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`19:02.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dkr, fwiw fellowship of widows in washington?`
`19:03.50`	`troythetechguy`	`I just discovered that "lock screen" does not work, in addition to the screen saver not working. Any ideas?`
`19:04.23`	`Pnux`	`troythetechguy: no`
`19:04.35`	`dkr`	`!doesn't work`
`19:04.36`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".`
`19:05.15`	`dkr`	`begging for change can be considered work, can't it? :)`
`19:06.46`	`troythetechguy`	`dpkg: Thanks for your willingness to help, but I don't receive an error message; nothing happens. I have the screen saver set to active 3 mins of idle, and nothing. I click "lock screen" and nothing happens. I'm not sure how else to describe this.`
`19:06.47`	`dpkg`	`no worries, troythetechguy`
`19:07.41`	`dkr`	`dpkg: botsnack`
`19:07.41`	`dpkg`	`dkr: :)`
`19:08.07`	`newsense`	`;)`
`19:08.07`	`dkr`	`troythetechguy: which screensaver? gnome?`
`19:08.11`	`troythetechguy`	`A related issue may be that the W command shows me on :0 with the idle column stating ?xdm?`
`19:08.24`	`troythetechguy`	`dkr, Gnome`
`19:08.43`	`Vincent0ne-`	`hmmm your screensaver gone as well?`
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`19:09.17`	`troythetechguy`	`Vincent0ne-: Yes, the screensaver is gone as in it does not activate when it's suppose to activate.`
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`19:09.41`	`troythetechguy`	`I tried /etc/init.d/gdm restart, but that did not fix it.`
`19:10.01`	`dkr`	`troythetechguy: well, you are using xdm, not gdm. you started xdm manually?`
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`19:10.31`	`Vincent0ne-`	`if mine didnt work it would been left off anyway`
`19:11.04`	`troythetechguy`	`dkr: I'm using gdm.`
`19:11.24`	`dkr`	`troythetechguy: but you have xdm running...`
`19:11.41`	`chicao`	`Hi all. My notebook have a wireles less activation button, I already install the madwifi driver but the button don't work, and wireless will only work if the led light up. I'm unable to fix it by my self, can anyone help me ?`
`19:12.43`	`troythetechguy`	`Is it worth trying to restart x? If so, how do I restart x?`
`19:12.56`	`beardy`	`!restart x`
`19:12.57`	`dpkg`	`Don't reboot. Just restart X. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you are logged in. '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager)`
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`19:18.14`	`mxmx`	`how an I delete stuff from crontab?`
`19:18.19`	`mxmx`	`*can`
`19:18.33`	`mxmx`	`from user apache`
`19:18.57`	`koeppea`	`mxmx, crontab -eu apache`
`19:19.01`	`jintxo`	`mxmx, by formatting and reisntalling, in your case :-)`
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`19:19.19`	`mxmx`	`meh`
`19:19.21`	`mxmx`	`not goan happned`
`19:19.26`	`mxmx`	`ir atehr hire a sysadmin tog et rid of it`
`19:19.29`	`koeppea`	`Jindrak, well also a possibility`
`19:19.52`	`koeppea`	`mxmx, which language are u speakin?`
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`19:20.14`	`mxmx`	`gibberish`
`19:20.22`	`mxmx`	`ok`
`19:20.24`	`mxmx`	`i got rid of it`
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`19:20.30`	`mxmx`	`now how do i clso adn save?`
`19:20.32`	`mxmx`	`close`
`19:20.34`	`jintxo`	`mxmx, do as you please. don't say you weren't warned`
`19:20.48`	`mxmx`	`okay`
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`19:21.25`	`basix`	`so i hear ubuntu is faster than Win 7. anybody compared vanilla debian to win 7? :P I'm sure everyone has read this: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/05/1919259`
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`19:21.58`	`HardDisk_WP`	`any of the electronics nerds who know how http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/joule.htm is called in reality/in wikipedia?`
`19:22.25`	`koeppea`	`mxmx, depends on your $EDITOR variable set in your env`
`19:22.55`	`mxmx`	`i am using putty`
`19:23.04`	`koeppea`	`if vi; ask dpkg about vi; if nano; ask dpkg about it too.`
`19:23.37`	`koeppea`	`mxmx, even though. no matter if youre using putty or xterm`
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`19:24.53`	`koeppea`	`mxmx, just try to execute: echo $EDITOR`
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`19:27.49`	`mxmx`	`nothing happens`
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`19:28.20`	`valdyn`	`mxmx: thats ok,thats also default in debian`
`19:28.33`	`mxmx`	`ok`
`19:28.40`	`valdyn`	`mxmx: "vi" just like "nano" will start nano in a default minimum install`
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`19:29.11`	`valdyn`	`mxmx: or you can run "editor"`
`19:29.13`	`mxmx`	`ok`
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`19:32.19`	`Ace2016_-`	`i need an audio player, amarok's user interface is unuseable for me, juk crossfades everything, banshee keeps crashing, listen keeps the song playing after i quit the app, and mplayer-audio doesn't have a library`
`19:32.28`	`koeppea`	`so as you might see, saving and exiting are functions of the specific editor the system uses to edit the crontab. The usage of these funtions might differ between the different editors.So the point is: which editor do you use?`
`19:32.40`	`Ace2016_-`	`i need something with a huge list of songs, i double click on one, and it plays them randomly, simple`
`19:32.52`	`valdyn`	`Ace2016_-: songs keeping playing after you quit the "app" is a feature actually`
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`19:33.11`	`valdyn`	`Ace2016_-: rhythmbox,quodlibet are ituns look-alikes`
`19:33.24`	`Ace2016_-`	`oh i forgot rhythmbox`
`19:33.30`	`valdyn`	`Ace2016_-: just like banshee i guess, except that they might crash not four you`
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`19:35.41`	`koeppea`	`if you dont see a little help like "^X Quit" or similar, you are propably in nano. If you don't see anything and pressing ":" let jump the cursor to the lower left, you are propably in vi`
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`19:36.22`	`koeppea`	`then you can try to find information how to use that specific editor to edit your crontab or from another user`
`19:37.42`	`Ace2016_-`	`why on earth does rhythmbox need to recommend gnome-control-center?`
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`19:39.20`	`helo`	`anyone know the sum of the non-zero cpu% column in 'top' is maybe 10%, but it shows 50% idle (this is a dual-core system)`
`19:39.32`	`helo`	`*know why`
`19:39.42`	`helo`	`gkrellm properly shows both cores being used at about 50%`
`19:39.48`	`valdyn`	`helo: because your wa% is not 0`
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`19:40.55`	`valdyn`	`helo: cpu% should match about the same of the running processes ( except that its still most likely inaccurate ), but idle is just not the remainder`
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`19:41.42`	`valdyn`	`helo: gkrellm is old cruft`
`19:41.42`	`helo`	`us% is about 100-idle%`
`19:41.50`	`helo`	`gkrellm is correct, afaikt`
`19:41.53`	`helo`	`ct`
`19:42.12`	`helo`	`my wa is 0, btw`
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`19:42.45`	`valdyn`	`helo: what about sy% ?`
`19:42.50`	`valdyn`	`helo: and si, hi`
`19:43.06`	`valdyn`	`helo: all those dont show as idle`
`19:43.35`	`helo`	`the only non-zero is %us and %idle, which are both about 50%`
`19:43.47`	`helo`	`but the sum of the %cpu for all processes shown is only 10% or so`
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`19:44.58`	`valdyn`	`helo: sounds like you have alot of processes using just less than 0.5% cpu in the ideal case`
`19:45.13`	`valdyn`	`helo: ideal = top is accurate`
`19:45.14`	`helo`	`it is as if my workload is switching affinity between processors, and top is running on the other processor, so it always sees the applications as not using much cpu`
`19:45.34`	`valdyn`	`helo: no, thats not how it works`
`19:45.35`	`helo`	`i don't know enough about how things work to even know if that is plausible heh`
`19:46.18`	`valdyn`	`helo: the only constant is that kernel developers dont seem to care much if accounting is correct or not`
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`19:46.40`	`Ace2016_-`	`someone needs to redesign the UI of these media players`
`19:46.41`	`karsten`	`valdyn: You mean it's sort of like Wall Street?`
`19:46.54`	`valdyn`	`karsten: yes!`
`19:46.56`	`karsten`	`Ace2016_-: What makes you think they were designed in the first place?`
`19:47.17`	`dkr`	`karsten: too complex to have evolved on their own!`
`19:47.27`	`Ace2016_-`	`dkr: lol`
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`19:48.34`	`dkr`	`I just use mplayer in fullscreen, no UI required. :)`
`19:48.47`	`valdyn`	`Ace2016_-: why dont you tell us what you want`
`19:49.00`	`valdyn`	`Ace2016_-: itunes is predominant, but theres various guis`
`19:49.11`	`paulfm`	`Hi All,`
`19:49.15`	`Ace2016_-`	`i think i found it, i like songbird's interface`
`19:49.29`	`koeppea`	`pantos, hi`
`19:49.35`	`Ace2016_-`	`but i wish it was a program which was gtk2 or qt3/4 so it would match the rest of the apps`
`19:49.38`	`paulfm`	`Can some one help me.. Im getting a kerne panic after iselect "install" with Lenny RC2 netinstall`
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`19:49.56`	`paulfm`	`Im using a minipc - with a Vortex86 Soc`
`19:50.00`	`dkr`	`Ace2016_-: rhythmbox?`
`19:50.07`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: googled already?`
`19:50.25`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: .. uhmm... no..`
`19:50.26`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: you got broken hardware or hardware that is not supported anyway, sounds like some weird cpu`
`19:50.45`	`maligor`	`Ace2016_-, I can't stand how they stuff the menubar to the top corner`
`19:50.51`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: well you my be right`
`19:50.54`	`maligor`	`and skip the windowmanager decorations`
`19:50.57`	`maligor`	`it's friggen annoying`
`19:51.02`	`Ace2016_-`	`dkr: its the last one i tried, good but still not enough`
`19:51.13`	`Ace2016_-`	`maligor: what app is this?`
`19:51.22`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: its supposed to by x86 compat - the etch installer runs fine on it`
`19:51.27`	`maligor`	`the songbird you like :P`
`19:51.36`	`Ace2016_-`	`ah i'm still downloading it`
`19:51.47`	`maligor`	`I use banshee and love the interface`
`19:51.57`	`maligor`	`the best interface possible`
`19:52.06`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: 8086 is x86 too`
`19:52.09`	`paulfm`	`the etch installer works and the lenny one give me a kernel panic?`
`19:52.18`	`maligor`	`rhythmbox is pretty identical`
`19:52.28`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: this is 586`
`19:52.41`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: ok, x86 is just a misnomer, but they debian does not even support 80386 cpu`
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`19:53.11`	`koeppea`	`paulfm, I'm doing also install lenny currently. But I walk the way over etch upgrading to lenny`
`19:53.30`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: try dsl`
`19:53.43`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: maybe you really do need a 2.4 kernel`
`19:53.46`	`nick_h[litage]`	`each time i install an Etch backport, why does aptitude spit out a list of all of my installed packages that aren't going to be upgraded to a backport.`
`19:54.03`	`Ace2016_-`	`maligor: the one from unstable crashes when i try to play anything, the one in experimental has a terrible layout at the top, the rest is great`
`19:54.03`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: see http://www.linuxreality.com/forums/index.php?topic=2228.msg17053`
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`19:54.37`	`maligor`	`Ace2016_-, tried banshee if it's rhythmbox?`
`19:54.39`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: well I can get etch running with 2.6.26`
`19:54.50`	`paulfm`	`will do`
`19:54.58`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: i see`
`19:55.07`	`dkr`	`nick_h[litage]: those are packages that have pending updates. but you didn't say to updat ehtem, so letting you know they aren't being updated this time`
`19:55.10`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: so do that?`
`19:55.34`	`Ace2016_-`	`maligor: banshee crashes i told you, rhythmbox is better but i think i'll prefer songbird more`
`19:55.37`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: and check for crashes after a while under load, theres reports like that`
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`19:56.00`	`maddash`	`!usbinstall`
`19:56.10`	`maligor`	`Ace2016_-, well, unstable banshee works fine here, but it's the curse of using unstable, eh? :P`
`19:56.12`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-small/2004-November/000330.html`
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`19:56.25`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: ... Im getting a kernel panic in the debian installer... after selecting "install" is goes for 20 seconds - shows some prcessing lines... then panic`
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`19:56.29`	`Ace2016_-`	`maligor: no i think there is an issue with deps or something`
`19:56.32`	`maligor`	`so does rhythmbox`
`19:56.34`	`Flaw`	`E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list`
`19:56.35`	`Flaw`	`There are sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, though.`
`19:56.42`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: you said you can get etch to run with 2.6.26`
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`19:56.57`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: doesnt that imply that you already installed it and dont need an installer anymore?`
`19:56.58`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: yes`
`19:57.00`	`helo`	`rhythmbox is nice... its like an efficient amarok heh`
`19:57.03`	`Flaw`	`any idea?`
`19:57.14`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: I want to use the lenny installer`
`19:57.17`	`helo`	`well... efficient in UI clutter, if not CPU usage`
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`19:57.30`	`maligor`	`Ace2016_-, do you have dmm?`
`19:57.30`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: my connection is way too slow dto do a dist--upgrade`
`19:57.35`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: thats your problem really, its not something that does you any good`
`19:57.52`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: using a lenny installer i mean`
`19:58.13`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: uh, the way to fix that is not using a lenny installer`
`19:58.17`	`mr_flea`	`I'm trying to install Sun Java with make-jpkg, but it doesn't seem to like the file. Does anyone have experience installing Java? (The package I'm trying to install is Java 6 update 11, 64-bit.)`
`19:58.20`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: you can just aswell use a lenny cdrom`
`19:58.24`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: well thats not fixing anything is it`
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`19:58.47`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: what do you mean?... I am using a cdrom`
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`19:59.02`	`Flaw`	`E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list`
`19:59.02`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: then why the hell would you need to reinstall?`
`19:59.03`	`paulfm`	`its a netinstall iso... the installer boots off the cd`
`19:59.04`	`Flaw`	`There are sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, though.`
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`19:59.05`	`Flaw`	`any idea?`
`19:59.24`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: is this a wind-up?`
`19:59.28`	`Ace2016_-`	`maligor: dmm? just mp3 files, work fine in amarok, juk, rhythmbox and mplayer`
`19:59.33`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: you can dist-upgrade using cdroms or using the net directly`
`20:00.02`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: I see - didnt know that`
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`20:00.35`	`Flaw`	`can anyone help?`
`20:00.37`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: do I only need the netinstall iso or do I need everything on cd - full lenny set?`
`20:01.06`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: no, the first cdrom`
`20:01.10`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: or the first dvd`
`20:01.24`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: most probably everything you ever need is on the first dvd`
`20:01.32`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: and just add it to the sources?`
`20:01.42`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: packages are sorted by popularity, so chances stand that everything you ever need is also on the first cdrom`
`20:01.52`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: yes`
`20:02.01`	`paulfm`	`and disconnect from the network before doig an upgrade?`
`20:02.14`	`paulfm`	`ill try it. Thanks`
`20:02.40`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: why the hell would you need to disconnect from the network?`
`20:02.57`	`paulfm`	`well uncomment my other sources.. or will it check the cd first?`
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`20:03.05`	`paulfm`	`prob...`
`20:03.07`	`paulfm`	`i guess`
`20:03.11`	`paulfm`	`that would be smart`
`20:03.13`	`paulfm`	`:-)`
`20:03.17`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: i dont know which would take precedence if both are in sources.list`
`20:03.27`	`paulfm`	`Im sure CD`
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`20:04.34`	`paulfm`	`guess Im audi 5 - valdyn - thanks!... im off to give it a shot`
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`20:07.42`	`nick_h[litage]`	`which package contains the "strings" tool? my search on packages.debian.org returned nothing`
`20:08.33`	`avu`	`nick_h[litage], apt-file can tell you`
`20:08.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`nick_h[litage]: http://packages.debian.org/search?mode=path&suite=etch&section=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=bin%2Fstrings`
`20:09.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`(it helps if you search for bin/strings and actually use the "search by contents" link on p.d.o)`
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`20:10.05`	`nick_h[litage]`	`dondelelcaro: that's actually what i did...i must've misspelled something`
`20:10.09`	`nick_h[litage]`	`thanks avu and dondelelcaro`
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`20:10.52`	`Flaw`	`Can someone help me with sources.list?`
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`20:11.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`Flaw: just ask your question`
`20:12.27`	`Flaw`	`I have previously asked it`
`20:13.06`	`Flaw`	`What sources should I use for packages like build-dep?`
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`20:13.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`Flaw: a deb-src sources.list entry`
`20:13.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`Flaw: man 5 sources.list for details`
`20:14.16`	`Flaw`	`I've just got a new server today, and my sources.list only has one entry so far, is there a list of suggested sources to add, dondelelcaro?`
`20:14.44`	`dondelelcaro`	`Flaw: so long as you have a main mirror and a security entry, that's all that you need`
`20:15.02`	`Flaw`	`Where can I find those two too add?`
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`20:15.37`	`slacker_nl`	`its a bit offtopic, but fun http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa/Is-it-Windows-7-or-KDE-4-/0,139023769,339294810,00.htm`
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`20:15.44`	`dondelelcaro`	`!tell Flaw -about sources.list`
`20:18.47`	`Flaw`	`thanks, dondelelcaro`
`20:19.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`Flaw: you don't have to use the ftp.cc mirrors, though; if you're in the US, there are some that may be faster`
`20:19.25`	`Flaw`	`another thing, my keyboard doesn't seem to be right when I'm SSH into the server, when I'm using Backspace it is removing the character infront, instead of behind`
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`20:31.04`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Flaw, from what system to what system?`
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`20:31.33`	`Flaw`	`CutMeOwnThroat: I'm on Mac, my server is Debian.`
`20:31.34`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`you can generally redefine these things with stty`
`20:31.40`	`Flaw`	`But it works fine Mac>BSD`
`20:31.47`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but it will be global`
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`20:31.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm`
`20:32.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`actually you're not using bash?`
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`20:32.12`	`Flaw`	`I use Terminal to SSH.`
`20:32.58`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`normally, even if things are not defined correctly, bash will have ^H as backspace`
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`20:34.04`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, try "stty erase [crtl-v] [backspace]" in that shell and see if you get backspace`
`20:34.34`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dpkg, backspace and delete reversed`
`20:34.35`	`dpkg`	`try this: xmodmap -e "keysym BackSpace=Delete" -e "keysym Delete-BackSpace"`
`20:34.53`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm, interesting`
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`20:34.57`	`Flaw`	`should i try that?`
`20:35.31`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`or you might try that:`
`20:35.35`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dpkg, backspace broke`
`20:35.41`	`dpkg`	`methinks backspace broke is #macosx helped me: in 10.5.2 you need to go to Terminal -> Preferences -> Settings -> Advanced and check the Delete sends Ctrl-H box`
`20:35.57`	`Flaw`	`ah.`
`20:35.58`	`Flaw`	`that?`
`20:36.10`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, that seems mac-specific`
`20:36.30`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`damn stupid name for the factoid, though`
`20:36.36`	`Flaw`	`it works1`
`20:36.38`	`Flaw`	`thanks!`
`20:37.00`	`Ace2016_-`	`well songbird has a great interface but looks nothing like my regular apps, i only wish other apps had this kind of layout`
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`20:37.26`	`Flaw`	`dpkg, build-dep`
`20:37.27`	`dpkg`	`well, build-dep is "To install the packages needed to build some other package in the way the debian package of it was configured use "apt-get build-dep <package-you-want-to-build>". If you'd like to add features or use a newer version of the libraries, you may need to manually get those specific -dev packages. WARNING: You'll not be able to undo the build-dep automatically. So you're screwed, unless you have all the time in the world to hunt down those p`
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`20:37.43`	`Flaw`	`hmm.`
`20:37.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Flaw, and... /msg dpkg msg the bot`
`20:37.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`:)`
`20:38.01`	`Flaw`	`ah, ok`
`20:38.23`	`Flaw`	`i need to install the build-dep package, do i need to add something to sources.list first? or will it install off the main source`
`20:38.46`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`build-dep is not a package`
`20:39.13`	`Flaw`	`it's a source?`
`20:39.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and it depends on what your current sources.list looks like`
`20:39.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`no, it's a dependency... "build-dependencies" == build-dep`
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`20:39.54`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`they are dependencies on all the packages you need to build a package`
`20:40.03`	`Flaw`	`CutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/27830/`
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`20:40.25`	`Flaw`	`so how do i go about adding build-dep?`
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`20:41.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, as dondelelcaro told you... you need at least one deb-src entry so you can access the source packages (and the dependencies of csource packages)`
`20:41.26`	`Flaw`	`what should the deb-src entry look like?`
`20:41.33`	`dondelelcaro`	`Flaw: man 5 sources.list; for details`
`20:41.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`just copy those two lines and change deb to deb-src in the copies`
`20:42.21`	`Flaw`	`oh! ok`
`20:42.28`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!tell Flaw -about deb-src`
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`20:42.54`	`metalfan`	`hi`
`20:43.00`	`Flaw`	`thanks, CutMeOwnThroat`
`20:43.05`	`metalfan`	`any idea why a debian would show the uid instead of the users name in ps auxwwwf?`
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`20:43.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`because of the 'f'?`
`20:44.00`	`metalfan`	`no, thats for formatiing issues`
`20:45.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`metalfan: usually because it was too long`
`20:45.48`	`metalfan`	`is "gameserver" to long?`
`20:45.49`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`actually it's showing me the usernames`
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`20:45.57`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`>8 chars`
`20:46.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`metalfan: what are you actually trying to do with ps that you care whether it shows the username?`
`20:46.34`	`metalfan`	`im just wondering why it shows uids`
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`20:46.50`	`metalfan`	`also i cant do "su - gameserver" as root, i just stay root`
`20:47.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`metalfan: uh... what does getent passwd gameserver; say?`
`20:48.03`	`metalfan`	`gameserver:x:500:500:Gameserver-System:/home/gameserver:/bin/false`
`20:48.10`	`metalfan`	`i see`
`20:48.20`	`metalfan`	`no login shell`
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`20:49.15`	`metalfan`	`im trying to figure out why this server keeps starting bf2 server processes, theres no crontab for user gameserver, nothing in /etc/inetd.conf, nothing in /etc/inittab.....where else could i look?`
`20:49.36`	`metalfan`	`also no unusual programs that would spam bf2 servers run`
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`20:50.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hehe, didn't know it'll show the pid when it's too long`
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`20:50.48`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bf2?`
`20:51.24`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it could be in roots/system crontab`
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`20:51.36`	`dustybin`	`is there a such thing as a terminal based newsgroup client what is capable of downloading using .NZB files?`
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`20:51.56`	`metalfan`	`php -q /home/gameserver/scripts/scheduler.php this just started as user root....but where is it started? no crontab for the user`
`20:52.24`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ls /etc/cron*`
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`20:53.09`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`there's also /etc/inittab`
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`20:53.51`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but that would respawn immediately after a process has been killed`
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`20:54.24`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`nzb?`
`20:54.44`	`metalfan`	`cd /etc && grep -iR sheduler * returns nothing`
`20:54.59`	`metalfan`	`CutMeOwnThroat, newsgroup files, lists all the .rar archives`
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`20:55.15`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`there's a package 'nzb'`
`20:55.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`that shouldn't have been too hard to find :)`
`20:56.22`	`metalfan`	`Cueball, inittab is clean`
`20:56.34`	`paulfm`	`uh oh... I cant boot... hda: lost interrupt`
`20:56.38`	`paulfm`	`disabling irq: 14`
`20:56.47`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`things would behave differently if it was inittab or if it was cron`
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`20:57.06`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`you should check the PPID of the processes`
`20:57.14`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: wanna help me out :-)`
`20:57.15`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`would be '1' for inittab`
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`20:57.32`	`paulfm`	`please`
`20:57.35`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`of course also would be '1' if the parent process has exited`
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`20:58.26`	`metalfan`	`ah, fail....type.....its in /etc/crontab are those commands in there run as root=`
`20:58.27`	`metalfan`	`?`
`20:58.51`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: thats no serious issue in itself`
`20:59.03`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: does that interrupt come back?`
`20:59.13`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: really... well my system just stops there...`
`20:59.23`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: ok, then thats a serious issue`
`20:59.27`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hehe`
`20:59.27`	`paulfm`	`keeps spitting out: hda: lost interrupt`
`20:59.28`	`stoned`	`hi`
`20:59.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`you're easily swayed`
`20:59.38`	`paulfm`	`heh.. serious for me :-(`
`20:59.46`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: i cant really help you, that vortex86 is already known to be crappy for debian`
`21:00.07`	`Flaw`	`by default, when I adduser <user> what privileges do they get?`
`21:00.07`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: nnnooo... its usually works I swear`
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`21:00.19`	`paulfm`	`isnt this just an irq conflist?`
`21:00.23`	`paulfm`	`conflict?`
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`21:01.14`	`paulfm`	`isthere some way I can boot into rescue mode and adjust irq settings?`
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`21:02.21`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`paulfm, just hda: lost interrupt?`
`21:02.22`	`hochron`	`when defining fstype in smb.conf, is vfat valid?`
`21:02.38`	`paulfm`	`CutMeOwnThroat: yes just`
`21:03.08`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`paulfm, because this here http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6834 ... sounds pretty familiar to me :)`
`21:03.20`	`hochron`	`or will testparm blow up?`
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`21:03.48`	`paulfm`	`thanks`
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`21:05.05`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: bios adjustment can be done in bios`
`21:05.14`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: err, irq....`
`21:05.34`	`paulfm`	`valdyn: yeah - but all the settings say auto - I have no idea what to set them to`
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`21:05.46`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: they map devices to irq`
`21:06.06`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: specific pci slots to specific irq or auto`
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`21:06.16`	`valdyn`	`paulfm: thats all you need.`
`21:06.40`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`paulfm, ... and indeed I decided back then that it's a faulty drive... google also suggests disabling DMA (hdparm -d0 /dev/hda) ... but you can't even boot`
`21:06.47`	`paulfm`	`valldyn: so I can specifically set them up?... thanks - ill dig around in there`
`21:06.58`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm, so you think it's a conflict?`
`21:06.58`	`hochron`	`it keeps asking me for a password even though I have comment all password references in smb.conf. Any ideas?`
`21:07.13`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but why should an irq conflict suddenly appear...`
`21:07.17`	`paulfm`	`cutMeOwnThroat: is this something I can set in grub?`
`21:07.41`	`paulfm`	`I should say - it is booting.... but getting about 60% of the way done`
`21:07.58`	`paulfm`	`it gets past a load of stuff..`
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`21:08.50`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`paulfm, hmm dunno... dma=off?`
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`21:09.15`	`paulfm`	`CutMeOwnThroat: I did try ide=nodma - but that didnt work`
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`21:10.20`	`paulfm`	`I think it may be a dma thing.. it sayd dec_intr before it hands`
`21:10.21`	`bstock`	hey, isn't there a cli tool to increment numbers... like... 'echo file_`count 1-10`' or somethin, i want it to list file_1, file_2, ..., file_10
`21:10.22`	`paulfm`	`hangs`
`21:10.40`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bah, there's no kernel options factoid`
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`21:11.42`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bstock, seq - but bash itself can count`
`21:11.54`	`bstock`	`ah seq`
`21:11.56`	`bstock`	`well right`
`21:11.57`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`http://wooledge.org:8000/BashGuide`
`21:12.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bah, takes AGES for me`
`21:12.45`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`seq(1) is a highly nonstandard external command used to count to 10 in silly Linux howtos. Use one of these instead for x in {1..10} (bash3.x) or for ((x=1; x<=10; x++)) (bash 2.04+) or i=1; while [ $i -le 10 ]; do ...; let i++; done`
`21:13.05`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`from #bash (which is really more appropriate for that question)`
`21:13.08`	`bstock`	`ya that site is giong way slow`
`21:13.27`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`perhaps it's ddosed ...`
`21:14.00`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but if I may cite from that page "For the love of god and all that is holy, do not use seq to count."`
`21:14.00`	`bstock`	`ah i like that for loop much beter CutMeOwnThroat`
`21:14.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hehe`
`21:14.09`	`bstock`	`for i in {1..10}; do echo file_$i; done`
`21:14.41`	`bstock`	`hmm, would you happen to know how i can force it to say '01' instead of '1'`
`21:14.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`printf or sprintf`
`21:15.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`er`
`21:15.08`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`forget sprintf, that only exists in C`
`21:16.22`	`paulfm`	`CutMeOwnThroat: valdyn thanks for the help (again)`
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`21:16.25`	`bstock`	`that bash guide finally came up...`
`21:16.26`	`bstock`	`bookmarks`
`21:16.30`	`paulfm`	`off to jump out the window`
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`21:16.41`	`n-iCe`	`hello`
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`21:18.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`for i in {1..10}; do printf "file_%02i\n" $i ; done`
`21:18.35`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`or`
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`21:19.05`	`Vesperto`	`I've just lost my mouse-cursor. How can i debug it?`
`21:19.18`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`for i in {1..10}; do echo $(printf "file_%02i\n" $i) ; done #if that echo was just a placeholder`
`21:19.21`	`metalfan`	`CutMeOwnThroat, no its hosted privately...its not that fast but good info`
`21:20.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`metalfan, the bash guide? it's normally not THAT slow - and I doubt that demand has suddenly multiplied (well, might have been /.ed)`
`21:20.25`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`but ./ counts as ddos :)`
`21:20.31`	`metalfan`	`CutMeOwnThroat, no wooledge`
`21:20.47`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`that's what I was talking about`
`21:20.58`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`the bash guide is on wooledge`
`21:21.00`	`metalfan`	`ok`
`21:22.47`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Vesperto, looked under the table?!`
`21:22.58`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Vesperto, kidding aside, switch to software-cursor`
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`21:25.50`	`stoned`	`ahh man`
`21:25.57`	`stoned`	`just installed a dailyi`
`21:26.07`	`stoned`	`lets see if i can access my disk now`
`21:26.18`	`metalfan`	`thx for help`
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`21:26.42`	`stoned`	`but the problem is that for ext4 compatbility you changed the inode size from 128 to 256, but its not backwards compatible, lenny/etch tell me that they cant read the disk`
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`21:28.19`	`Vesperto`	`CutMeOwnThroat: how would i do that? The mouse works, but the pointer's gone...`
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`21:28.29`	`Scurz`	`hello`
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`21:28.44`	`jessie`	`Hello guys... I can't seem to sync my slave with my master`
`21:28.46`	`bstock`	`CutMeOwnThroat: how does that printf work.. i mean it works but i don't understand why exactly`
`21:28.51`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Vesperto, Option "HWCursor" "off" in the device section in xorg.conf`
`21:28.57`	`bstock`	`is the %02 mean 2 decimil digits?`
`21:29.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bstock, magic!`
`21:29.07`	`bstock`	`heh bash magic!`
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`21:30.08`	`bstock`	`ok ya i think i get it, the %02 mean 2 digits, so it replaces '1' with '01' and 10 just stays that way since it's already 2 digits`
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`21:30.39`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bstock, help printf, and info coreutils 'printf invocation'`
`21:30.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bstock, the 0 means "fill up with 0s" and the 2 means 2 digits`
`21:30.55`	`bstock`	`i was looking at the man page, didn't seem to tell a whole lot`
`21:31.02`	`bstock`	`ah ok`
`21:31.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it does!`
`21:31.38`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`there's also man 3 printf, which explains the C printf function`
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`21:32.05`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`which is essentially doing the same thing and the explanation is sometimes nicer`
`21:32.24`	`bstock`	`heh it's funny, no matter how much you learn there's always TONS more to learn when it comes to *nix`
`21:32.46`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`s/\*nix/life/`
`21:32.52`	`bstock`	`true`
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`21:34.15`	`bstock`	`departs, thx for the help`
`21:34.15`	`StevenX`	`Hello. Can anyone tell me how to run multiple instances of x?`
`21:34.26`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`startx -- :1`
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`21:35.03`	`dkr`	`startx -- :2`
`21:35.05`	`karsten`	`bstock: awk's printf is similar and slightly more sane than the shell version. Try playing with that for fun and profit.`
`21:35.12`	`karsten`	`startx -- :3`
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`21:35.20`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`startx -- :4`
`21:35.22`	`StevenX`	`CutMeOwnThroat: I get this error. Should I use sudo? but that means that everything on that terminal will run as sudo.`
`21:35.23`	`StevenX`	`X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.`
`21:35.24`	`StevenX`	`xinit: Server error.`
`21:35.47`	`Vesperto`	`CutMeOwnThroat: Added that line to xorg.conf, -hUPed X, same thing: mouse works, no pointer visible.`
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`21:36.39`	`karsten`	`StevenX: You've got to set your xserver user perms, one sec.`
`21:37.15`	`karsten`	`StevenX: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common`
`21:37.22`	`karsten`	`StevenX: Modifies /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config`
`21:37.25`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`StevenX, Debian doesn't allow users by default to start X servers, you have to allow it`
`21:37.37`	`karsten`	`StevenX: man Xwrapper.conf(5) for more info.`
`21:37.37`	`StevenX`	`karsten: thank you.`
`21:37.42`	`karsten`	`CutMeOwnThroat: ^^`
`21:37.46`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Vesperto, I don't think HUP works on X`
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`21:38.04`	`StevenX`	`thank you both. I'll try and edit it and try command again. Should I restart once I edit x11-common?`
`21:38.10`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`karsten, yeah ... I started typing this, then someone came in to talk to me`
`21:38.18`	`karsten`	`StevenX: You can set "allowed_users=console" which is generally safe. Allowing anyone to start X means remote users can mess with your local display.`
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`21:38.46`	`karsten`	`StevenX: No need to restart, the next 'startx' invocation will read the modified file.`
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`21:38.57`	`Vesperto`	`CutMeOwnThroat: killed my session and brought the dm back for me to login... Plus created a new .log in /var/log. Should i kill -9 it instead?`
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`21:39.02`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`karsten, anyway, you're me and I sometimes repeat myself :)`
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`21:39.13`	`karsten`	`StevenX: You can also play with nested X sessions using Xephyr if you want.`
`21:39.23`	`karsten`	`CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, we have a habit of doing that don't we?`
`21:39.38`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Vesperto, no need for -9 ... but generally I just "log out" using ctrl-alt-backspace, which kills it`
`21:39.42`	`StevenX`	`karsten: for some reason, even though it is set to allow console, it gives me the same error.`
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`21:39.55`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`karsten, indeed, we have a habit of doing that`
`21:40.10`	`karsten`	`StevenX: You have to actually run 'xinit' from a console login.`
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`21:40.33`	`karsten`	`CutMeOwnThroat: Did you notice that we have a habit of repeating ourselves?`
`21:40.35`	`Vesperto`	`CutMeOwnThroat: same effect`
`21:40.49`	`karsten`	`StevenX: To be clear: not from within an existing X session.`
`21:41.17`	`StevenX`	`karsten: So I would have to go to an xinit session by hitting ctrl+alt+f1, then type "startx -- :1"`
`21:42.09`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Vesperto, hm... did it recognize the option? perhaps I got it wrong//it changed`
`21:42.39`	`karsten`	`StevenX: Bingo`
`21:42.52`	`Vesperto`	`CutMeOwnThroat: i'll check the log...`
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`21:43.10`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`StevenX, you have to actually run 'xinit' from a console login.`
`21:43.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`karsten, no`
`21:43.15`	`StevenX`	`karsten: thank you so much. How dangerous is it to allow anyone to do it?`
`21:43.48`	`karsten`	`StevenX: Well, if you run any remote access services, it could get pretty annoying. I'd stick to "console" myself, and do.`
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`21:44.09`	`Vesperto`	`CutMeOwnThroat: it did, says (==) NV(0): Using HW Cursor`
`21:44.26`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Vesperto, no! it should not use the hardware cursor`
`21:44.31`	`StevenX`	`karsten: will do. thank you.`
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`21:45.32`	`StevenX`	`karsten: One more question. How do I terminate the other x-server from another x server session. For example, how do I terminate x-server 1 from x-server 2.`
`21:46.22`	`karsten`	`StevenX: NP ... Um. You have to find its process ID. The display value (:1, :2, :3, etc.) should be included in 'ps waux' output.`
`21:46.29`	`Vesperto`	`CutMeOwnThroat: oh... right... it that case it didn't recognise that option... Option "HWCursor" "off" in Section Inputdevide`
`21:46.30`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Vesperto, see here http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-linux&m=116983714009897&w=2`
`21:46.32`	`stoned`	`hey it works`
`21:46.35`	`karsten`	`StevenX: Then just: kill <pid>`
`21:46.41`	`stoned`	`in latest lenny daily build`
`21:46.43`	`stoned`	`sweet`
`21:46.48`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Vesperto, no - section "Device"`
`21:47.00`	`karsten`	`stoned: "it" == ??`
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`21:47.43`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_(file_format)`
`21:47.49`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`:-P`
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`21:48.08`	`karsten`	`CutMeOwnThroat: Thank you kindly, Sehr geherter Herr.`
`21:48.12`	`ApEtc`	`I remember IT files`
`21:48.17`	`ApEtc`	`I have a collection of them on floppies somewhere`
`21:48.39`	`karsten`	`remembers IT girls.`
`21:49.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 776] by debhelper`
`21:49.14`	`stoned`	`I formatted a brand spankin new disk in sid and then I when tried to use in a diff system (older debian) it said it couldn't mount it because the inode sizes have changed from 128 to 256`
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`21:49.35`	`stoned`	`so I installed a latest lenny on another machine to test, and now it works, so I guess I'll just update my other lenny machine`
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`21:49.51`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`haha... according to wikipedia, "it" is also an euphemism for sexual intercourse`
`21:50.04`	`Vesperto`	`CutMeOwnThroat: I had it in the mouse section. It works now, thanks :D`
`21:50.09`	`stoned`	`Stephen King's IT`
`21:50.10`	`CellKill`	`....`
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`21:50.27`	`CellKill`	`Vesperto, You had "sexual intercourse" in the mouse section?`
`21:50.30`	`CellKill`	`wtf.... weirdo`
`21:50.49`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Vesperto, check back on it when you update again... in principle hw cursor is better ... well, if it works`
`21:50.59`	`Vesperto`	`CellKill: there are other words for mouse ;)`
`21:51.21`	`stoned`	`guys`
`21:51.23`	`stoned`	`enough.`
`21:51.27`	`Vesperto`	`CutMeOwnThroat: i assume all cursor stuff is handled by the processor now? I'll check that link anyway.`
`21:51.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`CellKill, the main thing is that it works now! mouse section or nt`
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`21:52.24`	`Vesperto`	`Device section, same where the nv driver is defined. Btw, does anyone know what's the max depth for that driver?`
`21:53.07`	`montoya`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`21:55.05`	`stoned`	`Death.`
`21:55.33`	`stoned`	`What would you do without your pathetic narrow minded approach to life that reflects your lack of abilities?`
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`21:56.32`	`Imo`	`hello`
`21:56.47`	`Imo`	`i have problems with asteriskNOW and my Eee Box`
`21:56.57`	`Imo`	`can someone help me please ?`
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`21:57.23`	`Vesperto`	`My monitor's an Asus VW222U, which supports up to 1680x1050. However, i can only get it to "Panel size is 1280 x 1024".`
`21:57.35`	`karsten`	`Imo: What's that Eee running?`
`21:57.36`	`Vesperto`	`Using the nv driver.`
`21:58.16`	`Imo`	`i have problems with my LAN drive`
`21:58.28`	`s3a`	`how come some windows of some program including the update manager, my windows are more ugly looking than the themes, etc I've installed from gnome-art`
`21:58.33`	`Imo`	`karsten: you speak german ?`
`21:59.00`	`stoned`	`uhm`
`21:59.02`	`stoned`	`whoops, wrong channel`
`21:59.07`	`stoned`	`that was suppoed to go to #music`
`21:59.10`	`stoned`	`:/`
`21:59.16`	`karsten`	`Imo: Channel language is English.`
`21:59.20`	`Imo`	`ok`
`21:59.27`	`stoned`	`debian.de?`
`21:59.28`	`stoned`	`!de`
`21:59.28`	`dpkg`	`deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment`
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`21:59.44`	`karsten`	`stoned: Thanks, just going to do that ;-)`
`21:59.48`	`stoned`	`:)`
`22:00.01`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`karsten, we do though, don't we?`
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`22:00.28`	`karsten`	`stoned: Ja.`
`22:00.35`	`karsten`	`CutMeOwnThroat: ... erm, jawoll`
`22:00.49`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`ordnung kommt!`
`22:01.17`	`daftd`	`gans nogmaal kein Deutsch`
`22:01.25`	`stoned`	`english please`
`22:01.26`	`karsten`	`CutMeOwnThroat: You've heard of the coming age of domination of the funny email closing quote?`
`22:01.30`	`karsten`	`CutMeOwnThroat: Sig Heil!`
`22:01.37`	`Imo`	`what can i do ?`
`22:01.41`	`stoned`	`DU HAST!`
`22:01.46`	`stoned`	`Imo, you can ask a better question`
`22:01.54`	`stoned`	`!tell Imo -about ask`
`22:02.21`	`karsten`	`Imo: First question is whether or not you're running Debian. If not, we don't support whatever it is. If yes, then ask a question about your problem.`
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`22:02.22`	`Imo`	`when i go on my Network configuration i see my LAN card`
`22:02.29`	`Imo`	`but it donst works`
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`22:02.31`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hehe Imo is a nice nick... nearly as good as imho`
`22:02.44`	`Imo`	`hey`
`22:02.49`	`Imo`	`imo is my real name :D`
`22:02.52`	`karsten`	`CutMeOwnThroat: IMVAO`
`22:03.31`	`karsten`	`WTF... iowait is 40%. Why....`
`22:03.51`	`stoned`	`I had a friend his name was immu`
`22:03.59`	`stoned`	`Imran but we called him immu`
`22:04.00`	`Imo`	`immu ?`
`22:04.01`	`karsten`	`stoned: You had a friend?`
`22:04.05`	`Imo`	`i never listen that :D`
`22:04.05`	`stoned`	`yes`
`22:04.08`	`stoned`	`once upon a time`
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`22:04.14`	`stoned`	`then I killed him.`
`22:04.17`	`stoned`	`it happens.`
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`22:05.39`	`stoned`	`Imo, seriously we need more information about yoru setup/problem`
`22:05.41`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Imo, so it's lan and not wireless... /msg dpkg paste and tell us the output of /sbin/ifconfig and /sbin/route -n ... hm, /etc/network/interfaces if it's not too long - I guess from what you say that the network card is recognized`
`22:05.54`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`bah... we need a networking checklist factoid`
`22:05.59`	`stoned`	`CutMeOwnThroat, make one`
`22:06.04`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and what I just said is not good enough`
`22:06.14`	`Imo`	`ok moment pleas`
`22:06.31`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`probably needs a networking checklist webpage, because there's more to check than for alsa`
`22:06.35`	`Imo`	`i have also wireless but its dosent metter for me`
`22:06.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Imo, actually, try ping 134.34.3.2 first`
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`22:07.13`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`perhaps you do have network and just DNS doesn't work`
`22:08.21`	`Imo`	`what for information your need ?`
`22:08.40`	`Imo`	`i dont have ip`
`22:08.42`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`stoned, and I know I can make factoids... I'm just not sure I can make up this one on the spur of a moment`
`22:08.45`	`Imo`	`only mal localhost ip`
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`22:09.16`	`Imo`	`and folder /etc/network i dont have`
`22:09.20`	`stoned`	`what?`
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`22:09.42`	`stoned`	`So think about it, make a good one for the future`
`22:09.46`	`stoned`	`whats the problem?`
`22:09.57`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`err`
`22:09.59`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`is this Debian?`
`22:10.05`	`stoned`	`yes`
`22:10.09`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`not you!`
`22:10.14`	`Imo`	`no`
`22:10.14`	`stoned`	`huh?`
`22:10.17`	`Imo`	`its asteriskNOW`
`22:10.21`	`stoned`	`dude.. are you fucking with me?`
`22:10.23`	`Imo`	`sorry for my badi fnormations`
`22:10.26`	`stoned`	`scratches head`
`22:10.38`	`stoned`	`bleh, whatever`
`22:11.01`	`enicar`	`hello every, is there a method to mount nfs without root pwd? thanks`
`22:11.06`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Imo, then #debian is the wrong place to ask`
`22:11.26`	`Imo`	`ok`
`22:11.28`	`Imo`	`sorry`
`22:11.30`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`would have considered that obvious, but seems it isn't`
`22:11.38`	`hochron`	`Can anyone help with a Samba problem? In smb.conf I commented out all password settings but it still asks for a password... do i need to comment invalid users = root??`
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`22:12.08`	`AcTiVaTe`	`hochron: Just press enter?`
`22:12.13`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hehe`
`22:12.26`	`abrotman`	`hochron: there is #samba .. and you may need to set the guest access`
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`22:13.03`	`hochron`	`thank you`
`22:13.03`	`stoned`	`hm`
`22:13.05`	`karsten`	`JFC. Killing firefox which was using 4 effin' GB of VM, iowait up to 90%`
`22:13.06`	`stoned`	`abrotman is green`
`22:13.11`	`stoned`	`jelly is yellow`
`22:13.18`	`stoned`	`wtf happened, my irssi switched colors on me?`
`22:13.22`	`abrotman`	`i want to be fireenginered!`
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`22:13.27`	`stoned`	`heh`
`22:13.40`	`stoned`	`no your nicknamed was always yellow, and jelly was green`
`22:13.45`	`stoned`	`karsten was pink`
`22:13.54`	`stoned`	`man wtf is going on, my colors have changed`
`22:14.03`	`abrotman`	`#irssi`
`22:14.06`	`stoned`	`yup`
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`22:15.49`	`Texou`	`hi`
`22:15.58`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`No manual entry for wtf`
`22:16.00`	`hochron`	`AcTiVaTe: I tried that`
`22:16.26`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hochron, you could also create a passwordless samba user, I guess`
`22:16.41`	`Texou`	`do you know with fetchmail how I can keep mails on the POP3 server but without fetching them at every running? I'd like fetchmail to fetch only new mails on the server`
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`22:17.21`	`bolt`	`is there a way to mount a windows xp software raid ntfs read-writeable in debian without breaking it?`
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`22:18.22`	`hochron`	`CutMeOwnThroat: hmmm I got it to work in slack and on suse but debian is not letting me do it. I have guest ok = yes, and testparm seems to report all ok settings...`
`22:18.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`guess you find out about the breaking bit after you figured how to get it mounted rw :)`
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`22:19.12`	`KaotiK`	`hi, i'm using Gaim to chat and it's notting showing my friends pics for the MSN account, even with the option selected. What happens?`
`22:20.02`	`hochron`	`CutMeOwnThroat: all you have to do is run smbd to reload it right?`
`22:20.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`I'd normally do /etc/init.d/samba restart`
`22:21.02`	`hochron`	`ok`
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`22:29.53`	`Ace2016_-`	`i finally found the media player for me!`
`22:29.53`	`Ace2016_-`	`sonata + mpd was what i needed :)`
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`22:31.10`	`Ace2016_-`	`the way you can customise columns is pure genius :D`
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`22:34.12`	`Agiofws`	`who do you do apt-get update with aptitude ?`
`22:34.28`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`aptitude update?`
`22:34.43`	`stoned`	`Agiofws, yo`
`22:34.49`	`stoned`	`Agiofws, did you see justincutting.com`
`22:34.54`	`Agiofws`	`yo`
`22:35.28`	`Agiofws`	`justcunting`
`22:35.37`	`stoned`	`lol`
`22:35.39`	`Agiofws`	`stoned, nice`
`22:35.52`	`stoned`	`took less than a few hours ;)`
`22:35.57`	`Agiofws`	`thats sick ... :)`
`22:36.00`	`Agiofws`	`wtf`
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`22:36.02`	`Agiofws`	`how ?`
`22:36.08`	`stoned`	`I'm just that good man`
`22:36.09`	`stoned`	`;)`
`22:36.14`	`Agiofws`	`hey are these yours ?`
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`22:36.19`	`stoned`	`no`
`22:36.26`	`vlt`	`Hello. Is it possible to configure eth0 via dhcp when running still in initrd?`
`22:36.37`	`Agiofws`	`i would throw up from jealousy :)`
`22:36.41`	`stoned`	`vlt, uhm... hmm good question`
`22:37.37`	`stoned`	`debian installer does dhcp on default if you don't pass the parameter to override it`
`22:37.41`	`stoned`	`or preseed it`
`22:37.42`	`Agiofws`	`stoned, what did you use ? for this ?`
`22:37.45`	`Eulex`	`vlt, probably not, dhcp clients run in userspace.`
`22:38.11`	`mc68040`	`vlt: add ip=dhcp as a kernel option?`
`22:38.27`	`stoned`	`mc68040, you read my mind`
`22:38.28`	`Eulex`	`uh.nvm me.`
`22:38.34`	`stoned`	`was gonna suggest a boot param`
`22:38.36`	`bolt`	`isn't that exactly what netbooting is all about?`
`22:38.37`	`stoned`	`I was looking for the right one`
`22:39.16`	`Agiofws`	`stoned, is this a OS gallery ? did you use jumi to do this ?`
`22:39.23`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`!netboot`
`22:39.23`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, netboot is put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS (static, not module) in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt`
`22:39.33`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`moderately useful`
`22:39.40`	`stoned`	`Agiofws, no man, I coded it myself, its a joomla CMS, but I coded the gallery`
`22:39.58`	`Agiofws`	`php ?`
`22:40.02`	`stoned`	`js`
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`22:40.17`	`Agiofws`	`stoned, its really good`
`22:40.21`	`stoned`	`thanks`
`22:40.28`	`MavisBacon`	`hi. is there a way to install etch-and-a-half on an existing etch install? all i can find are fresh install instructions`
`22:40.39`	`stoned`	`MavisBacon, using a chroot sure`
`22:40.39`	`prxtien`	`whats the best too to use to grab the first 4 characters of a word in bash?`
`22:40.55`	`prxtien`	`too=tool`
`22:40.56`	`stoned`	`MavisBacon, you can do it easily if you read the docs, look into the debootstrap util`
`22:41.34`	`stoned`	`MavisBacon, install debootstrap and read the docs.. consult the debian intall guide as well`
`22:41.43`	`stoned`	`!tell MavisBacon -about ig`
`22:41.47`	`stoned`	`!tell MavisBacon -about debootstrap`
`22:41.53`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`MavisBacon, just adjust your sources.list update&upgrade -but afaik etchnhalf is mainly a newer kernel`
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`22:42.11`	`stoned`	`I thought he wanted to do it clean`
`22:42.18`	`stoned`	`I could have suggested an upgrade :/`
`22:42.39`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`stoned, you could, but you didn't`
`22:42.40`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`:-P`
`22:42.44`	`stoned`	`heh`
`22:42.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`READ THE QUESTIONS!!!11123`
`22:43.07`	`Agiofws`	`stoned, is that it /_class.noobSlideX.js ?`
`22:43.52`	`Caelum`	`what the heck is /dev/init/rw ?`
`22:43.52`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`oh, again?`
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`22:44.00`	`stoned`	`Agiofws, originally its called _class.noobSlide.js... I had to edit the JS class to add the reverse feature`
`22:44.00`	`stoned`	`I added a new method called reverse, (for the bottom row of thumbnails)`
`22:44.00`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:44.15`	`stoned`	`Agiofws, I just renamed my edited to copy to X`
`22:44.19`	`stoned`	`-to`
`22:44.29`	`stoned`	`i wonder if mootools is packaged`
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`22:44.45`	`stoned`	`I think jquery is packaged`
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`22:45.20`	`stoned`	`no mootools isn't apckaged only jquery`
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`22:46.39`	`Agiofws`	`stoned,`
`22:46.40`	`stoned`	`Agiofws, I used the same class for www.nycoda.com/index.php (its not live yet, my clients haven't launched the site yet)`
`22:46.51`	`Agiofws`	`www.imagebin.org/37776`
`22:46.59`	`stoned`	`its a pretty useful js class, but i dunno man, its kinda boring, I'm gonna recode it and package it!`
`22:46.59`	`Agiofws`	`wait stoned`
`22:46.59`	`stoned`	`heh`
`22:47.11`	`stoned`	`recode to add mroe feature to it`
`22:47.21`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`zzz`
`22:47.25`	`stoned`	`oh wait`
`22:47.26`	`Agiofws`	`did you download this gallery from somewhere ?`
`22:47.33`	`stoned`	`oh no you share with me another chan im in the wrong one`
`22:47.43`	`stoned`	`whoops`
`22:47.46`	`stoned`	`#joomla dude`
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`22:49.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`thx`
`22:50.28`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`how strange, moving windows makes them "stick" in place for a little while halfway through the move`
`22:50.35`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`like mini-freezes on my machine`
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`22:53.23`	`vlt`	stoned: I can do `ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1; ip r a default gw 192.168.0.254` in initrd. I'll have to look for a dhcp client. The kernel param ip=dhcp works completely w/o roots from initrd?
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`22:54.13`	`stoned`	`not positive`
`22:54.23`	`stoned`	`I don't really know that much about debian anyway, I'm just a noob`
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`23:05.41`	`neoice`	`I must be missing something dumb. if I want to add group write to a whole bunch of files/folders, what can I do? if I just use 'chmod -R 664', the directories wont work but I dont want to 775 all the data.`
`23:06.10`	`adama_`	`neoice: chmod g+w`
`23:06.19`	`adama_`	`"group add write"`
`23:07.04`	`mc68040`	`neoice: find . ! -type d -exec chmod 664 {} \;`
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`23:07.44`	`adama_`	`he wants to do it on the directories as well`
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`23:08.06`	`adama_`	`chmod -R g+w /path will work`
`23:08.27`	`mc68040`	`then additional: find . -type d -exec chmod 775 {} \;`
`23:08.46`	`adama_`	`sure`
`23:08.54`	`workPragmatist`	`no no no tubess downloading`
`23:09.11`	`\amethyst`	`is the goal to set group-write, or to make the modes all 664 (for files) and 775 (for directories)? Because those are two different things`
`23:09.13`	`neoice`	`adama_: thanks. I figured the + flags could do it, but I havent actually worked with them much`
`23:09.27`	`adama_`	`but maybe some folders want to be 770 ?`
`23:10.09`	`\amethyst`	`also possible is chmod g=u (set group permissions equal to the user permissions)`
`23:10.12`	`neoice`	`\amethyst: everything is at default (755/644) and I want to add group write to everything`
`23:10.19`	`helo`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`23:10.45`	`helo`	`i'm running something that will take several hours, and i'd like to let it finish running and automatically shut down`
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`23:10.57`	`\amethyst`	`helo: you could give that user sudo access to run '/sbin/shutdown' without a password`
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`23:11.12`	`helo`	`i don't have root access to the machine`
`23:11.17`	`\amethyst`	`hm`
`23:11.29`	`helo`	`presumably it is possible, since i can shut down from the gnome menu`
`23:11.33`	`\amethyst`	`then you might be able to send hal a shutdown request from the command line`
`23:11.38`	`\amethyst`	`that's what gnome does I think`
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`23:22.57`	`lymeca`	`I have a Debian domU virual machine I just upgraded everything on to Lenny from Etch`
`23:23.09`	`lymeca`	`It all works, except for the new kernel`
`23:23.38`	`lymeca`	`I have a 2.6.18 etch xen kernel (amd64) and 2.6.26 lenny xen kernel in /boot on my host Debian (which is also lenny at 2.6.26)`
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`23:24.21`	`lymeca`	`I can boot the guest Debian install and all the daemons start up until it reaches Munin-node. It seems as if it starts it and then nothing else continues to boot.`
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`23:31.33`	`K_Dallas`	`Q: Would the first DVD be enough for an initial install (gnome+build tools+ normal stuff (no TeX or that kind of packages but OOo)? Thansk`
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`23:36.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`K_Dallas: yes. You don't even need the first DVD`
`23:36.50`	`Deiz`	`I notice SSHing into Debian boxes takes 3-5s`
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`23:37.17`	`K_Dallas`	`dondelelcaro, I want to install the basic but it might occur that i wouldn't have internet access where I am going`
`23:37.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`Deiz: it doesn't take that long if you have everything configured properly`
`23:37.32`	`dondelelcaro`	`K_Dallas: then the first DVD is probably a good idea`
`23:37.53`	`dondelelcaro`	`Deiz: usually if it takes that long, it means that you don't have an ip address which properly reverses`
`23:38.06`	`Deiz`	`dondelelcaro: This happens on the LAN too`
`23:38.20`	`K_Dallas`	`dondelelcaro, thanks. going to get it right now :)`
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`23:38.32`	`dondelelcaro`	`Deiz: because you don't have a reverse on the LAN either.`
`23:38.50`	`Deiz`	`FWIW, it doesn't happen on non-Debian-derived boxes`
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`23:39.21`	`Deiz`	`... And AFAIK my Debian box is using the same sshd_config that all my other systems use`
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`23:41.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`Deiz: that doesn't have anything to do with it. Fix your DNS servers so that your IP addresses reverse, and it will magically start working`
`23:41.26`	`cusco`	`hey dudes`
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`23:41.33`	`dondelelcaro`	`(well, start working faster)`
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`23:42.43`	`cusco`	`do you have a quick easy way of taking note of packages taht are installed lets say because I need to build somethiing... after being built, I would like to remove them`
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`23:44.04`	`dondelelcaro`	`cusco: you'll be happier if you use pbuilder or similar, but mk-build-deps with aptitude can also be made to do that sort of thing`
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`23:45.03`	`enouf`	`cusco: could also setup a chroot build env, then just blow it all away i guess`
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`23:48.07`	`navaladi_`	`hello all, i am running "third part" license manager, which refused to start when i change the system date. And i can able to start the license manager again after 1 or 2 hours or so, can any one tell me , how the license managaer knows the change in system time?`
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`23:48.25`	`navaladi_`	`when i restart the computer, it works. It doesn't work only when i change the system time !!`
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`23:49.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`navaladi_: uh.. contact the vendor who provided that software? We have nothing to do with supporting software that isn't distributed by Debian here`
`23:50.08`	`cusco`	`I like teh description of pbuilder dondelelcaro it does just that enouf. Thanks!`
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`23:51.04`	`navaladi_`	`dondelelcaro : hi, i am only interested in getting information about, is there any log files for system date change, or something silimar, so the license manager gets information.!!!`
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`23:51.43`	`\amethyst`	`navaladi_: you say that it works when the date is wrong, but only if you wait a while after setting the date?`
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`23:52.48`	`\amethyst`	`navaladi_: does the amount of time you have to wait depend on how much you changed the time? perhaps it is detecting somehow that an adjtime() is currently in progress`
`23:53.10`	`navaladi_`	`\amethyst : yes, it works for the wrong date because the license is for 2 years. As u said, it does not work soon after changing date.!`
`23:53.34`	`\amethyst`	`anyway, we're not going to help you pirate software, so have fun`
`23:53.49`	`navaladi_`	`\amethyst : sorry, i change the date and time too.`
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`23:54.47`	`navaladi_`	`\amethyst : Can you please elaborate on the previous statement of adjtime() stuff?`
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`23:55.30`	`\amethyst`	`navaladi_: man adjtime (in manpages-dev). though that would only be relevant if the method you use for changing the clock uses adjtime`
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`23:56.03`	`\amethyst`	`it could be doing something else entirely, like contacting the license server and checking that the time is close to correct`
`23:56.15`	`\amethyst`	`you could ask the people whose software you're pirating`
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`23:57.55`	`pingouin`	`what are my options to flash a motherboard bios ? it has to be done under Dos, from a windows bootfloopy, according to the manufacturer documentation, and i dont have such disk`
`23:58.10`	`navaladi_`	`\amethyst : I do not start the license server before i changing date and time, still it does not wok. so i looks strange. I will have a look at adjtime. thanks`
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