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| 00:00.55 | vlt | Hello. How can I modify the time the kernel waits for its root fs before dropping into iniramfs shell? |
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| 00:02.24 | lymeca | When booting with 2.6.26 from Lenny, I don't get past /etc/rc2.d/S98* |
| 00:02.29 | lymeca | 2.6.18 from etch orks fine |
| 00:02.44 | lymeca | 2.6.26 freezes after starting most services/processes. |
| 00:03.04 | lymeca | It gets to munin-node which is /etc/rc2.d/S98munin-node |
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| 00:04.16 | lymeca | I even tried disabling munin-node from startup with 2.6.26 but that didn't fix it. I think it has to do with the phase after munin-node, but how to I troubleshoot which? |
| 00:06.14 | bhundven | does anyone know why when I type in a url in the address bar of firefox, I get google.com? |
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| 00:06.32 | pingouin | lymeca: RC1 or RC2 ? |
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| 00:08.07 | lymeca | pingouin: it's the /etc/rc2.d/ diretory |
| 00:08.13 | lymeca | if that's what you are asking |
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| 00:09.16 | pingouin | the release of lenny |
| 00:09.30 | pingouin | RC1 or RC2 ? |
| 00:10.07 | themill | pingouin: that's irrelevant if you are keeping up with your updates as you should be |
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| 00:10.28 | pingouin | hmm |
| 00:10.53 | pingouin | the installer of RC1 fails for me on some mobo with newer sata |
| 00:10.56 | pingouin | rc2 goes on |
| 00:11.10 | pingouin | for instances |
| 00:11.14 | kevix | anyone know the channel for fodem/debian? |
| 00:11.25 | themill | pingouin: yeah, but this is on an installed system |
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| 00:11.49 | pingouin | this is why i wanted to know from which release ;) |
| 00:12.02 | pingouin | for my knowledges |
| 00:13.48 | themill | but you could see this problem with an etch machine that is upgraded to lenny. There is no lenny RC1 and RC2, only a lenny installer RC1 etc. And the installer is irrelevant to what's happening in init.d |
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| 00:16.22 | pingouin | ok themill for the init.d stuff, but the syntax on debian.org is : «The following images are available for lenny RC2» i just use the same |
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| 00:20.45 | LightKnight | lenny RC2=installer+basic distro, IIRC |
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| 00:21.37 | themill | not really. the archive is never marked as being "rc2", only the installer |
| 00:22.28 | themill | The release announcements are explicit about this. e.g. the announcement of the installer rc2: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2009/20090131 |
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| 00:23.01 | dondelelcaro | we don't do release candidates of lenny itself |
| 00:23.06 | dondelelcaro | only components do |
| 00:23.34 | dondelelcaro | (well, I should say *discrete* release candidates; lenny is a continuous release candidate) |
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| 00:26.39 | K|NgGh0sT | Anyone here any good at XFS and Debian? |
| 00:26.57 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: best to just ask your question |
| 00:28.45 | K|NgGh0sT | I need an XFS Specialist, it seems that my XFS partion has now decided to crash every 5 minutes and I have to then xfs_repair -L it to make it work. I've ran smartmon tests and it seems to not be a drive issue, The xfsrepair errors out with a stack failure, http://pastebin.ca/1329539 |
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| 00:32.28 | LightKnight | A question for whoever has got localized packages descriptions: could you try issuing the following commands: "apt-cache show <package_with_localized_description>" and "LC_ALL apt-cache show <package_with_localized_description>" and see whether the second is significantly slower than the first? |
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| 00:35.01 | ribasushi | hi |
| 00:35.10 | ribasushi | when one does `init N` |
| 00:35.19 | ribasushi | where does all the output go from the executed init scripts? |
| 00:35.25 | ribasushi | it doesn't show up on the console |
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| 00:39.57 | vlt | Hmmm ... "could not execute /sbin/dhclient-script: No such file or directory". Any idea what this could mean (when /sbin/dhclient-script actually exists and is executable)? |
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| 00:40.42 | faffi | Hey guys, I really need help getting the right resolution setup for my new install, I have the Intel Q43 chipset with the GMA 4500 integrated video card and the current drivers in debian do not support it so im stuck with 1280x1024 resolution on a 22inch widescreen monitor |
| 00:40.44 | \amethyst | vlt: do you have /bin/bash ? |
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| 00:41.17 | \amethyst | vlt: hm, no, a problem there would give a different error ("bad interpreter") |
| 00:41.27 | \amethyst | vlt: the filesystem isn't mounted noexec is it? |
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| 00:41.46 | JyZyXEL | with a caching web proxy like Squid what happends if the target page changes? |
| 00:41.50 | JyZyXEL | you will never see the change |
| 00:42.08 | JyZyXEL | the proxy will just keep serving the old page over and over again |
| 00:42.18 | pobega | Is anyone using Empathy on Debian? I just apt-got it and it refuses to even run ... http://pastebin.com/m8a94068 |
| 00:42.46 | d-b | pobega: works ok here are you on lenny ? |
| 00:42.52 | pobega | d-b: yep |
| 00:42.59 | d-b | make sure you have mission control installed... |
| 00:43.42 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: the web server or web app can specify with a cache-control header how long it should stay in the cache (if at all) |
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| 00:44.29 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: I believe squid has a setting to configure the default expiry for things without specified expiry time |
| 00:44.32 | pobega | d-b: which package do I need? I have -client0, -server1 and telepathy-mission-control |
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| 00:45.21 | d-b | pobega: when do you get that error tho -> did you add accounts ? |
| 00:45.36 | pobega | d-b: I haven't even run the program. It just stalls there and doesn't load anything. |
| 00:45.54 | d-b | ah i get that error too if you execuate that from the terminal |
| 00:46.05 | pobega | d-b: how else am I supposed to execute it? |
| 00:46.12 | d-b | but it does open afterwards |
| 00:46.17 | pobega | d-b: I'm not in GNOME |
| 00:46.22 | pobega | And, it never opens for me. |
| 00:46.26 | pobega | Do you get the other errors too? |
| 00:46.37 | vlt | \amethyst: It's /bin/sh. /proc/mounts says it's only mounted rw, no extra flags like noexec. The whole thing happens in initrd. |
| 00:46.38 | pobega | I'm thinking it's probably the g_propogate_error |
| 00:46.39 | d-b | no i don't |
| 00:46.55 | d-b | yeah it probably is -> i'm in gnome atm. |
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| 00:55.59 | JyZyXEL | i think the socks4-server package is broken in etch |
| 00:56.09 | JyZyXEL | sockd: error while loading shared libraries: libsocks.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:56.15 | JyZyXEL | doesn't install all the stuff it needs |
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| 01:07.04 | ryan_ | Hi folks I have /var on a relatively small partition. Now I'm installing dokuwiki which places files in /var/lib/dokuwiki so I want to move /var/lib/dokuwiki to a new partition I have. How do I do that? |
| 01:08.38 | kevix | link the new location to the old location (man ln) ? |
| 01:08.50 | kevix | or make a mount point for it |
| 01:10.55 | ryan_ | kevix: can I just copy everything in the current /var/lib/dokuwiki onto the new partition, then remove the files from /var/lib/dokuwiki, then remount the new partition at /var/lib/dokuwiki? |
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| 01:12.40 | kevix | sounds about right (backup the files just in case to a tgz somewheres) |
| 01:13.10 | kevix | mount /dev/sda5 /var/lib/docuwiki (or similar) |
| 01:13.34 | ryan_ | kevix: cool thanks |
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| 01:17.30 | keith80403 | What is the Debian swirl icon for in the Synaptic packages list window? |
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| 01:18.50 | unperson | I have a disk I've just connected to my system. dmesg shows it coming up as /dev/sdb, but when I try 'fdisk /dev/sdb' I get "Unable to read /dev/sdb". I haven't encountered this before. Can someone clue me in to what it might mean? |
| 01:19.33 | enouf | unperson: fdisk -l ... cat /proc/partitions |
| 01:20.00 | streuner_ | unperson: show us the output what enouf told you in paste.debian.net |
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| 01:20.30 | enouf | and dmesg | egrep 'sd|hd|scd' |
| 01:21.23 | unperson | enouf, streuner_ fdisk -l gives nothing (literally I just get the prompt back) and /proc/partitions contains no entries relating to /dev/sdb |
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| 01:22.20 | streuner_ | well, just paste dmesg then (paste.debian.net) |
| 01:22.45 | mbraun | hi, is there any known way to influence the charset used at boot time? I'm starting an application via init.d and it seems that the wrong charset is used for this process, (re-)starting the application at the normal shell (lc_all=utf8) does make it work properly |
| 01:22.46 | enouf | unperson: connected how? internal IDE? usb? sata? |
| 01:23.23 | enouf | mbraun: maybe /etc/default/locale ; /etc/environment |
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| 01:23.35 | unperson | streuner_, enouf Okay, output of your dmesg | grep is here: http://paste.debian.net/27845/ |
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| 01:23.58 | mbraun | enouf, well, both entries point to an utf8 charset |
| 01:23.59 | unperson | enouf, It's an internal IDE drive connected via a USB device. |
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| 01:24.13 | mbraun | once the system is up and i'm entering a shell the charset is perfect, but not at booting time :( |
| 01:24.29 | \amethyst | mbraun: source /etc/default/locale inside the init.d script maybe? |
| 01:24.38 | enouf | unperson: there's no partition table on it yet - it's brand new? |
| 01:24.59 | unperson | enouf, No idea. It's a mystery drive I've inherited. |
| 01:25.12 | mbraun | could be an option, but well that means patching several initscripts, imho this should be either handled by the bootloader or and global init config |
| 01:25.13 | unperson | enouf, i.e., it's old, but may never had been used. |
| 01:25.23 | enouf | unperson: or .. wiped |
| 01:25.30 | mbraun | (using grub but did not found an option for this one yet) |
| 01:25.39 | unperson | enouf, But in that case I thought fdisk would have brought me to the menu and I'd have had the option of building a partition table. |
| 01:25.47 | enouf | unperson: view it with a hexeditor or strings even |
| 01:25.58 | enouf | indeed - fdisk is interactive |
| 01:26.03 | enouf | can be |
| 01:26.05 | mbraun | just checking this on rhel/sles |
| 01:26.22 | \amethyst | mbraun: that might break init scripts that assume the POSIX locale... not sure if there are any that do, though |
| 01:26.34 | unperson | enouf, The fact that it just said "unable to read" and kicked me back to the prompt I thought signaled a problem. |
| 01:26.51 | kevix | unperson: are you root when doing 'fdisk -l'? |
| 01:26.51 | enouf | unperson: could be |
| 01:27.21 | unperson | enouf, To be clear, I don't care about recovering any data that might have been on the disk. I only want to be able to partition, format, and use it if it is functional. |
| 01:27.54 | unperson | kevix, well, I'm doing 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb' |
| 01:27.56 | enouf | unperson: is the cabling correct, and does the BIOS see it correctly? -- er IDE drive inside an enclosure connected via USB mobo Controller? |
| 01:27.59 | \amethyst | mbraun: fedora sources /etc/sysconfig/i18n in /etc/init.d/functions |
| 01:28.40 | kevix | enouf: you can even put your hand on the drive or listen with your ear to hear it spin ;) |
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| 01:29.12 | unperson | enouf, It's possible the cabling is incorrect or malfunctioning. I'm not sure whether my BIOS will see a connected USB disk or not. |
| 01:29.13 | enouf | unperson: there could be all sorts of issues - remove it from the case, and connect internally , set the jumpers correct - use 80wire cable if larger than 40GB drive, etc etc |
| 01:29.40 | enouf | unperson: then try again - and lastly - use dd to overwrite it with zeros |
| 01:29.50 | unperson | enouf, Fair enough. |
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| 01:30.11 | kevix | you can have 'tail -f /var/log/messages' when you connect it |
| 01:30.51 | kevix | oh. fosdem/debian room back online. |
| 01:31.46 | unperson | enouf, But you think it may (assuming the connection is working correctly) be possible that it's something to do with the data on the disk, not a hardware problem with the disk itself. |
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| 01:31.58 | kevix | âvlc http://apu.debconf.org:8000/replay.ogv___ |
| 01:32.30 | kevix | vlc http://apu.debconf.org:8000/replay.ogv (enrico zini, DD) |
| 01:32.48 | enouf | mbraun: allowing overriding a global option through an initrd script is stupid, IMHO |
| 01:33.11 | enouf | mbraun: that's what /etc/ is all about - globals |
| 01:33.37 | mbraun | well, thats why i prefer to set this global option, but sadly all options for charset are set to utf8 |
| 01:33.48 | unperson | kevix, Last lines of /var/log/messages at http://paste.debian.net/27846/ |
| 01:33.48 | enouf | unperson: dunno |
| 01:34.02 | mbraun | on the other hand i could try to pass the default charset to the application itself, gonna try this first |
| 01:34.11 | enouf | unperson: i told you how to look at the data |
| 01:34.13 | \amethyst | mbraun: you could modify /etc/init.d/rc to do [ -r /etc/default/locale ] && . /etc/default/locale near the beginning |
| 01:34.17 | enouf | but you ignored all that |
| 01:34.21 | enouf | so be happy guessing |
| 01:34.24 | \amethyst | mbraun: that might work to affect all init scripts |
| 01:34.31 | mbraun | mh okay will try :) |
| 01:34.46 | \amethyst | mbraun: it's not guaranteed that some of them won't break, though |
| 01:35.13 | mbraun | sure, but the risk is low, just testing it at a vmware |
| 01:35.18 | enouf | mbraun: then UTF-8 is the system charset - respect it, use it |
| 01:35.36 | mbraun | enouf, well i actually respect it |
| 01:35.40 | \amethyst | enouf: he *wants* the init scripts to respect it |
| 01:35.42 | enouf | if you need it altered then change it at the user level |
| 01:35.46 | mbraun | i _want_ to set the charset to utf8 at the boot time |
| 01:35.47 | kevix | unperson: sbd , usb disk |
| 01:35.56 | \amethyst | enouf: they don't; they get run with the POSIX locale always |
| 01:35.57 | enouf | \amethyst: what's wriong with /etc/environment? |
| 01:36.03 | \amethyst | enouf: init scripts don't use it |
| 01:36.08 | unperson | enouf, I wasn't ignoring you. I've noted when you said. |
| 01:36.19 | enouf | \amethyst: and they shouldn't |
| 01:36.39 | enouf | initrd scripts at user level use rc.local |
| 01:37.14 | enouf | you alter /etc/init.d/rc ? have fun |
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| 01:37.29 | \amethyst | I'm not recommending it |
| 01:37.38 | \amethyst | at least a few init scripts use [a-z] |
| 01:37.50 | \amethyst | and they could break if you put them in a UTF-8 locale |
| 01:37.52 | enouf | maybe /etc/default/rcS .. yes |
| 01:38.05 | enouf | but /etc/default/locale is there for a reason too |
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| 01:38.27 | unperson | kevix, Right. It's a disk being connected via usb. Unfortunately, I can't seem to do anything with the /dev/sdb device. |
| 01:38.32 | \amethyst | init scripts don't source /etc/default/locale by default either. |
| 01:38.43 | \amethyst | by default, init scripts on debian run in the POSIX locale |
| 01:38.47 | enouf | \amethyst: they surely can |
| 01:38.56 | \amethyst | they can, but they don't do it by default |
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| 01:39.08 | enouf | i mean, the initd scripts use the /etc/default dir/ |
| 01:39.20 | enouf | that's what that dir/ is for |
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| 01:39.45 | \amethyst | yes, tomcat's init script, and gdm's, source /etc/default/locale |
| 01:39.53 | unperson | Well, thanks for the advice. |
| 01:40.10 | unperson | I'll try to sort this out one way or the other. |
| 01:40.42 | lavamind | hello, I'm trying to install a Debian Lenny system with RAID1+loop-aes. Using the installer I set up 3 md devices : boot, root(encrypted) and swap(encrypted). Upon rebooting for the first time, it enters a loop, printing "/dev/md1 : No such file or directory". |
| 01:40.44 | enouf | unperson: i can think of a thousand ways to probe that sucker :-) some are more intricate than others - yet, ensuring it's not a hardware issue is what i'd do first |
| 01:40.48 | magyar | what is a basic editor that is available with a bare minimum system? |
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| 01:40.56 | dondelelcaro | magyar: nano |
| 01:41.00 | \amethyst | magyar: vi or nano |
| 01:41.05 | mbraun | okay, passing the file encoding to the application directly did the trick |
| 01:41.08 | lavamind | I'm thinking perhaps the installer didn't add the md modules to initrd ? |
| 01:41.22 | mbraun | i think that's enough and pretty useable without influencing other scripts |
| 01:41.26 | lavamind | magyar, nano ? |
| 01:41.33 | jzmer | \amethyst: isnt that ed? |
| 01:41.51 | \amethyst | well, I guess it depends on what you mean by 'bare minimum system' |
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| 01:42.43 | jzmer | \amethyst: it reminds me of the editor war. |
| 01:43.03 | \amethyst | !ed, man |
| 01:43.09 | keith80403 | What is the Debian swirl icon for in the Synaptic packages list window? |
| 01:43.11 | dondelelcaro | you don't have to have an editor installed at all, but you'd be hard pressed not to have one of nano, ed, or vim-tiny installed |
| 01:44.01 | magyar | \amethyst: just did a basic cygwin install, but ut doesnt include any frikin file editirs |
| 01:44.15 | magyar | bleeeh |
| 01:44.20 | \amethyst | magyar: not even ed? |
| 01:44.24 | dondelelcaro | magyar: cygwin has totally different sets of packages than Debian; it's trivial to install one |
| 01:45.05 | amitz | dondelelcaro: of course he can always retype everything to edit that one letter in config file :-). or use grep.. |
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| 01:45.51 | magyar | dondelelcaro: i figure there might be one i don't know about. Cygwin, don't even ask how my day went today. I am messing with cygwin as Windows-server is a piece of work |
| 01:46.05 | \amethyst | magyar: http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.setup.what-packages |
| 01:46.22 | magyar | \amethyst: thanks sir |
| 01:46.33 | lavamind | is it possible to manually add mdadm to an initrd image ? |
| 01:46.38 | unperson | enouf, I agree with you completely. I guess what I was trying to figure out was whether it was possible in principle that there was some other simple problem unrelated to hardware causing the issue. I thought someone might say something like, "Oh, that probably means you have to do a low level format first" or something. |
| 01:47.46 | mbraun | thanks guys |
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| 01:48.08 | dondelelcaro | amitz: or sed or perl⦠|
| 01:48.12 | enouf | unperson: ever since ZBR methods have been used for HDDs (circa 1997 ish?) there's no such thing as low-level formattings |
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| 01:49.19 | unperson | enouf, I see. It's something that I thought was not necessary anymore (before my time, really), but then I'd never run into this particular issue before. :-) Anyhow, thanks again. |
| 01:49.31 | enouf | unperson: it could've been nuked using dban, it could have encryption.. could've been part of a RAID, or some proprietary Volume manager disk controller - could be a THOUSAND things - why guess? |
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| 01:50.54 | enouf | unperson: also USB sucks ass for info - if you connected it internally, we'd see the firmware being probed for info, like Make/Model, Serial No. , Size, etc |
| 01:51.09 | enouf | in dmesg |
| 01:53.01 | enouf | or .. maybe the disk firmware is fryed .. who knows |
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| 02:02.37 | ryan_ | I'm trying to install dokuwiki. I did `aptitude install dokuwiki` that worked and when I go to localhost in my browser, apache seems to be running and I can get to the "It worked!" page. My question is: how do I navigate to my wiki? Do I need to configure apache to make my wiki available?? |
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| 02:03.43 | JordiGH | This is annoying. |
| 02:04.02 | JordiGH | I'm getting my terminal crapflooded with a warning: "atk-bridge-WARNING **: failure: no device event controller found." which I understand is a gstreamer warning. |
| 02:04.14 | JordiGH | But this happens whenever I hit any key in a GTK+ app. :-/ |
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| 02:05.39 | jjoseph | ryan_, I've never used it, but apt should install some usefull info in /usr/share/doc/name_of_program. Usually a readme or readme.debian maybe an example config file. |
| 02:05.47 | JordiGH | No, better. When I press *or* release a key. |
| 02:07.46 | ryan_ | jjoseph: yah I looked in there. All the tutorials seem to gloss over this aspect as if anyone installing dokuwiki would already know all about setting up apache... |
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| 02:08.33 | enouf | ryan_: then read the apache{2} docs |
| 02:08.54 | enouf | ryan_: man a2[tab][tab] even |
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| 02:09.44 | enouf | ryan_: see /etc/apache2/sites_{available,etc} |
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| 02:11.10 | RayTracer | Hi, does anyone in here know how I can get limit warnings (from /etc/security/limits.conf) into the syslog (or any log) |
| 02:13.11 | jjoseph | ryan_, Did you go to http://localhost/dokuwiki? I've installed things like gallery and that's usually how it will be installed. |
| 02:13.42 | enouf | RayTracer: isn't that taken care of in /etc/syslog.conf? |
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| 02:14.23 | RayTracer | hi enouf! no, unfortunately even putting *.* to /dev/xconsole does reveal nothing ;-( |
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| 02:15.18 | \amethyst | RayTracer: rlimits don't generally generate log entries |
| 02:16.11 | enouf | RayTracer: hrm ... |
| 02:16.18 | RayTracer | but there are such messages eg. on suse ("open files rlimit X reached for uid Y pid Z"), I want them also on eg. Fedora and Debian |
| 02:16.38 | enouf | RayTracer: might alter log_level? |
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| 02:16.48 | RayTracer | enouf, of what? |
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| 02:17.32 | enouf | RayTracer: kernel messages |
| 02:17.42 | ryan_ | jjoseph: yah, that was the first thing I tried. |
| 02:18.29 | ryan_ | I'm supposed to navigate to localhost/usr/share/docuwiki/install.php but that gives me a page with "The requested URL /usr/share/ was not found on this server" |
| 02:18.41 | enouf | RayTracer: /etc/sysctl.conf man {3,8} syslogd , man proc ? |
| 02:19.45 | enouf | bah - man 3 syslog ; man 8 sys{k}logd |
| 02:22.00 | RayTracer | enouf, doesn't reveal anything to me; I set *.* | /dev/xconsole in syslog.conf and klogd log level only applies to what is put out to the consoles |
| 02:23.13 | RayTracer | I currently think this may be something patched in by suse |
| 02:23.31 | ryan_ | Do I need to set some permissions somewhere to let me access localhost/usr/share/docuwiki/install.php from my browser? |
| 02:25.02 | RayTracer | I'm pretty lost on this, my colleagues also didn't know - but I think this is pretty important for analyzing/monitoring and setting limits properly |
| 02:26.34 | jjoseph | ryan_, I would think you would want to navigate to localhost/docuwiki/install.php. Gallery2's install was similar. |
| 02:27.37 | ryan_ | jjoseph: that also give me "not found" |
| 02:27.51 | ryan_ | jjoseph: as does localhost/dokuwiki/ |
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| 02:31.13 | enouf | RayTracer: i agree - as you and \amethyst mentioned, if the kernel doesn't actually have an internal mechanism to spit out those kinds of mechanisms, then yes, no log_level will enable it - twas just a thought |
| 02:32.15 | enouf | RayTracer: and ofcourse i meant man 2 syslog .. not 3 .. ugh |
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| 02:32.58 | RayTracer | I just grep'd for 'reached for' in linux-source-2.6.27, nothing... so I think I'll grab the sources of a suse kernel and grep through it as soon as I'm back at work |
| 02:33.17 | \amethyst | RayTracer: yeah, either it's a kernel patch, or that message isn't coming from the kernel. apparently (according to google) Sun's cron does some checks for processes it runs |
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| 02:34.37 | nsadmin | looking for tk bindings for python |
| 02:34.44 | \amethyst | RayTracer: hm, never mind, those messages aren't exactly the same |
| 02:34.45 | nsadmin | I'm running etch |
| 02:36.15 | nsadmin | wait, got it |
| 02:36.18 | jjoseph | ryan_, I think I have it. sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart. Now it appears under localhost/dokuwiki as it should. You might suspect this would be done automatically on install...but no. I just got it to work here. |
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| 02:36.58 | RayTracer | \amethyst, thanks nevertheless; I also thougth about a script that digs through /proc and sums up limits for users. It would just be much cleaner and nicer if one could give a log entry at the point the limits are checked, sounds like a 2-line patch there |
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| 02:38.26 | jjoseph | ryan_, No need to run the install.php. apt seems to take care of this for you. |
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| 02:39.57 | ryan_ | jjoseph: okay very cool thanks for the help! but hmmm now when I go localhost/dokuwiki I get "Internal Server Error" |
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| 02:40.14 | ryan_ | That's after restarting apache as you suggested |
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| 02:42.44 | jjoseph | ryan_, Hmm, worked great here. Check out /etc/apache2/conf.d/dokuwiki. That should have an alias to the root of dokuwiki, things should just work from there. |
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| 02:43.50 | ryan_ | jjoseph: yeah, I installed using apache (1.3) instead of apache2. Maybe that's the cause of the problem... |
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| 02:45.04 | jjoseph | ryan_, I would guess thats it. dpkg-reconfigure may do it for you. |
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| 02:55.39 | ryan_ | jjoseph: yup! with apache2 it works! |
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| 02:56.24 | faffi | hey guys, for some reason I can get sound working in amarok when I 'sudo amarok' but not when its run by my user :( |
| 02:57.39 | RayTracer | faffi, is your user in the audio group? |
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| 02:58.10 | jjoseph | ryan_, Cool. |
| 02:58.40 | ryan_ | many thanks for the help jjoseph |
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| 02:59.04 | faffi | RayTracer: thats what i was actually checking for, trying to figure out how to display what groups a user is in lol |
| 02:59.15 | RayTracer | id user |
| 02:59.24 | faffi | guess not |
| 02:59.30 | faffi | is it usermod -G or -g |
| 02:59.59 | faffi | ok let me try again |
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| 03:00.38 | faffi | RayTracer: Amaro is saying 'xine was unable to initialize audio drivers' |
| 03:00.53 | faffi | amarok* |
| 03:01.19 | faffi | RayTracer: no change |
| 03:01.52 | RayTracer | :( |
| 03:01.54 | d-b | faffi: put your user in the sound / audio group and never SUDO to fix bugs like this... its bad habit |
| 03:01.54 | d-b | as they are not bugs... |
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| 03:02.09 | faffi | d-b: i wasnt planning on it |
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| 03:02.16 | faffi | it was just a test to see if it worked period |
| 03:02.32 | faffi | d-b: im in the group it still doesnt work |
| 03:03.06 | d-b | really ? |
| 03:03.11 | faffi | really. |
| 03:03.16 | d-b | id |
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| 03:03.21 | d-b | what does that show |
| 03:03.25 | RayTracer | faffi, you did log out completely and log in again so all the sound affected programs run with new group? |
| 03:03.39 | faffi | RayTracer: nope, tried restarting amarok and then tried sound in pandora |
| 03:03.48 | faffi | well not in pandora, using iceweasel at pandora.com |
| 03:04.03 | RayTracer | you need to re-login to get the new group(s) |
| 03:04.06 | faffi | ah |
| 03:04.08 | faffi | :P |
| 03:04.15 | faffi | back in a bit |
| 03:04.47 | faffi | working |
| 03:05.22 | nnts | what was the name of that thing in bash, where you could create a fake "device" that if you redirect somethign to it you can set up complex rules on what to do with the data (can't find better words to describe it) |
| 03:05.31 | nnts | I'd like to look it up on google but can't remember the word |
| 03:05.51 | RayTracer | a fifo? |
| 03:06.37 | nnts | fifo... I guess that was it, thanks! |
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| 03:07.30 | levander | What's the easiest use sniffer that will show me all open network connections on my box right now? |
| 03:07.53 | \amethyst | levander: do you want to list the connections or sniff them? |
| 03:08.12 | levander | list would be enough for what I'm doing |
| 03:08.22 | \amethyst | levander: netstat -punt will show established commections |
| 03:08.27 | RayTracer | iftop, netstat -putan |
| 03:08.39 | \amethyst | levander: netstat -paunt will show all connections |
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| 03:08.50 | nnts | wait no, I think it was "named pipe" |
| 03:09.01 | \amethyst | levander: err, rather, all open ports, including listening ones |
| 03:09.02 | RayTracer | I think a named pipe is a fifo |
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| 03:09.06 | \amethyst | nnts: same thing |
| 03:09.24 | \amethyst | nnts: man 4 fifo; man mkfifo |
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| 03:10.46 | levander | oh hell, that just gives me a IP address. I need the URL totem-plugin is connected to. I'm listening to a radio station and need to find the URL it's streaming from. |
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| 03:11.07 | winmutt | postfix is borked, it wont bind and isnt showing anything in the logs, can anyone suggest where to start? |
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| 03:11.58 | \amethyst | levander: leave out the -n and you'll get hostnames and port names instead of IPs and port numbers |
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| 03:12.17 | levander | \amethyst: I need the URL, not just the name of the machine. |
| 03:12.47 | \amethyst | levander: you can't get that |
| 03:13.11 | \amethyst | levander: you could get it if you were sniffing packets when the program starts streaming |
| 03:13.25 | \amethyst | levander: but I suspect the URL isn't retransmitted once the stream has started |
| 03:13.27 | levander | LiveHTTPHeaders may have just gotten it. Need to look more. I thought it wouldn't because it's not Firefox, it's a plugin. But, maybe it did... |
| 03:13.51 | levander | \amethyst: I did have to reload the page to re-download the stream for LiveHttpHeaders to get it. |
| 03:14.09 | \amethyst | are you trying to rip from youtube by any chance? |
| 03:14.16 | \amethyst | there are packages to do that |
| 03:14.29 | levander | No, I'm trying to record a stream from a radio station. |
| 03:14.48 | RayTracer | levander, take a peek on streamripper |
| 03:14.54 | levander | I have a script that uses mplayer to write an audio stream to disk. But, I need the URL it streams from. |
| 03:15.07 | lavamind | during a Debian initrd bootup, is there a command to drop to a command prompt ? |
| 03:15.16 | levander | RayTracer: Cool, I've never heard of streamripper, I'll check it out. |
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| 03:15.41 | RayTracer | <3 streamripper |
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| 03:17.26 | enouf | RayTracer: i found this (not sure how useful) Freetext search: rlimits (4 estimated hits) include/asm-generic/resource.h, line 10 (100%) include/linux/init_task.h, line 49 (71%) fs/quota.c, line 363 (67%) include/linux/fs.h, line 25 (36%) |
| 03:17.40 | enouf | i peeked at the last 2 there |
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| 03:19.23 | RayTracer | hm, shouldn't be a fs related issue (these are probably for quota), more like inside the vm |
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| 03:19.58 | RayTracer | oh, it's late |
| 03:20.21 | RayTracer | of course the nofiles limit is related to fs |
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| 03:29.11 | faffi | im trying to mount an external hd i have as root, but i can use konqeuror to view them since its using my user, how can i fix this? |
| 03:29.21 | faffi | s/can/cant |
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| 03:30.40 | enouf | faffi: kdesu |
| 03:31.23 | enouf | faffi: but that's silly, mount the partition correctly - /msg dpkg automount ; /msg dpkg pmount |
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| 03:32.28 | enouf | or, even toy about with konq extended/advanced permissions when you right click |
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| 03:35.07 | RayTracer | enouf, I'm not a kernel hacker, but maybe kernel/sys.c:1408 (78%) [sys_getrlimit()] would be the place for a printk - although I don't even know if calling printk is allowed there |
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| 03:37.27 | RayTracer | crawls to bed |
| 03:38.07 | enouf | RayTracer: i can't even code, so .. :-) |
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| 03:40.30 | arvind_khadri | hi, i was about to install debian etch, just wanted to know that whether sqlite is present in the repositories |
| 03:40.53 | JordiGH | arvind_khadri: Install lenny! :D |
| 03:41.12 | JordiGH | is partying prematurely, but really, they'll release soon. |
| 03:41.15 | jjoseph | faffi, Probably a bad idea, but when you become root use su -p, then run konq, should work. What enouf said is true though. |
| 03:41.19 | JordiGH | !info sqlite etch |
| 03:41.41 | dpkg | sqlite: (command line interface for SQLite), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.8.17-2 (etch), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 03:41.48 | arvind_khadri | JordiGH: :) thanks so is it there in lenny... and ya what about brasero... |
| 03:41.52 | JordiGH | arvind_khadri: ^^ |
| 03:42.03 | kevix | we are waiting for 14-02-09 for the fun |
| 03:42.27 | arvind_khadri | JordiGH: i saw that thanks... brasero or any other vd burning tools would do ... |
| 03:42.29 | JordiGH | hopes to celebrate 1234567890 with a lenny release. |
| 03:42.42 | JordiGH | !info brasero etch |
| 03:42.44 | dpkg | brasero: (CD/DVD burning application for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.4-4 (etch), Packaged size: 527 kB, Installed size: 1176 kB |
| 03:42.50 | JordiGH | !info brasero lenny |
| 03:43.03 | kevix | you seem to think that debian is missing a packages? |
| 03:43.09 | dpkg | brasero: (CD/DVD burning application for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.0-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 2057 kB, Installed size: 6732 kB |
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| 03:43.27 | arvind_khadri | JordiGH: cool :) |
| 03:43.53 | kevix | arvind_khadri: Debian has more packages than hair on your head ;) |
| 03:44.06 | JordiGH | Whoa, brasero looks really old in etch. :-/ |
| 03:44.17 | faffi | enouf, jjoseph: kdesu does what I need, thanks :) |
| 03:44.30 | JordiGH | kevix: Okay, now you've got me wondering... do I have less than 20,000 hairs on my head? |
| 03:44.44 | arvind_khadri | kevix: sure it does... :) going to shift from another distro so thought of just confirming... wanted just to try out debian :) |
| 03:45.06 | JordiGH | kevix: My head: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/jordi-midhair-3.jpg |
| 03:45.17 | Deiz | Hm |
| 03:45.23 | kevix | wonders if I should look :) |
| 03:45.47 | Deiz | On my Debian box, it takes about 5 seconds to SSH in, whereas the Arch box is near instant. |
| 03:45.52 | Deiz | They have identical sshd_configs |
| 03:45.55 | JordiGH | kevix: That bastion of intellectual integrity, Yahoo Answers, says I bet Debian by an order of magnitude. |
| 03:46.07 | JordiGH | beat |
| 03:46.08 | enouf | Deiz: kill avahi-daemon and try again |
| 03:46.29 | faffi | how do i get rid of the KDE login manager, i want to boot to X when my computer starts |
| 03:46.42 | JordiGH | faffi: Just tell kdm to autolog you in. |
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| 03:46.50 | faffi | err, i DONT want to boot to x |
| 03:46.54 | faffi | wow im off today |
| 03:47.06 | JordiGH | faffi: Oh, then remove it from your /etc/rc$runlevel |
| 03:47.20 | faffi | whats the name |
| 03:47.22 | enouf | Deiz: or, look into /etc/nsswitch.conf (and it's mdns stuff in there) - see file:///usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html |
| 03:47.29 | JordiGH | faffi: S??kdm |
| 03:47.33 | enouf | kdm |
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| 03:47.41 | Deiz | enouf: Thanks. |
| 03:47.43 | enouf | !nodm |
| 03:47.44 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 03:47.44 | faffi | can i just apt-get purge kdm :P |
| 03:48.04 | kevix | neil williams is on the FOSDEM channel talking about Emdebian |
| 03:48.09 | faffi | cool |
| 03:48.18 | JordiGH | Aw, poor KDE. |
| 03:48.24 | JordiGH | You're neutering KDE. |
| 03:48.47 | faffi | haha |
| 03:48.51 | kevix | but he's customizing debian |
| 03:49.01 | enouf | and removing bloat :-p |
| 03:49.11 | kevix | he |
| 03:49.16 | kevix | heg |
| 03:49.18 | faffi | :) |
| 03:51.02 | faffi | haha namp didnt recognize the banner for ssh |
| 03:51.02 | faffi | nmap* |
| 03:51.08 | faffi | what the hell uses port 671 on a base install |
| 03:51.12 | JordiGH | sheds a tear for KDE. |
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| 03:51.21 | JordiGH | faffi: cups? |
| 03:51.27 | JordiGH | can't remember. |
| 03:51.29 | faffi | i thought that was 631 |
| 03:51.50 | enouf | heh, nothing in /etc/services |
| 03:52.27 | faffi | hmm |
| 03:52.35 | faffi | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:671 127.0.0.1:41139 TIME_WAIT |
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| 03:53.16 | enouf | you sure it's a network port and not a unix socket? |
| 03:53.19 | enouf | ~# lsof | grep 671 |
| 03:53.20 | enouf | dhcpcd-bi 2983 root 3u unix 0xdf489040 6718 socket |
| 03:53.40 | enouf | er, that's localhost .. bind, something |
| 03:53.49 | faffi | pretty sure, its listed as tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:671 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
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| 03:54.51 | enouf | it's your loopback for your localhost |
| 03:54.56 | faffi | oh |
| 03:55.05 | faffi | i was getting ready to block it with iptables on lo |
| 03:55.07 | faffi | :P |
| 03:55.07 | enouf | there's no place like 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:55.10 | faffi | haha |
| 03:55.56 | enouf | lmao |
| 03:55.56 | faffi | why such a low port though |
| 03:55.56 | faffi | hmm, let me change my scan |
| 03:55.56 | enouf | no idea |
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| 03:55.56 | enouf | what command gave you that - netstat? |
| 03:55.56 | faffi | i think its cause i didnt nmap localhost/127.0.0.1 |
| 03:55.58 | faffi | i jsut nmapped myself with my eth0 ip and it didnt pick it up |
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| 03:56.12 | enouf | heh |
| 03:56.17 | faffi | figures |
| 03:56.51 | faffi | im glad my resolution finally works, now to break it again setting up 2 monitors... |
| 03:57.02 | enouf | \o/ |
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| 04:01.03 | faffi | so do people ever connect to #debian as root |
| 04:01.09 | beardy | Stay around. |
| 04:01.12 | faffi | haha |
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| 04:26.44 | faffi | whats the line to install kernel headers using uname -r |
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| 04:29.27 | JordiGH | aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 04:29.36 | faffi | JordiGH: just figured it out, thanks :) |
| 04:29.36 | fallonetwo | hey folks, what's the best way to install apache modules on etch? |
| 04:29.41 | faffi | for some reason i kept putting tick marks |
| 04:29.43 | fallonetwo | i want to install mod_xsendfile |
| 04:29.50 | JordiGH | faffi: Backticks? |
| 04:29.54 | faffi | ' |
| 04:30.01 | faffi | those things |
| 04:30.08 | JordiGH | faffi: Oh, ` ` to execute a command, but they're deprecated in favour of $(...) |
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| 04:30.18 | faffi | good to know |
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| 04:35.41 | fallonetwo | but have never actually installed modules from a third party before |
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| 04:37.40 | lavamind | how can I find out what module is used by a block device (ie, /dev/sda) ? |
| 04:38.04 | lavamind | I'm trying to determine what module I need to add to my initrd so it can detect my disks |
| 04:38.28 | lavamind | for some reason debian installer didn't include the correct modules itself in there |
| 04:39.35 | lavamind | now I have the system booted using a livecd (systemrescuecd), but lsmod is no help since it lists like 200 modules, many of them related to ide/scsi/sata/pata/etc... |
| 04:39.55 | fallonetwo | ahh, i guess if i have the right repo i can get it with apt-get... but the only ones i see are for ubuntu, so there are weird dependency issues |
| 04:40.37 | beardy | lavamind: What is the make on the controller? |
| 04:40.43 | nsadmin | lavamind: just so you know... you can make debian packages of kernels that do that when installed |
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| 04:41.18 | lavamind | beardy, AMD-762 |
| 04:41.53 | lavamind | Make & model Tyan Tiger MP S2460 |
| 04:42.16 | lavamind | i've searched google but didnt find anything referring to recent kernels |
| 04:42.48 | lavamind | whcih is understandable since its not so new anymore |
| 04:44.18 | lavamind | examining dmesg when using the livecd shows modules 'libata' and 'pata_amd' being loaded right before disk detection |
| 04:45.03 | lavamind | however pata_amd module is nowhere to be found in lib/modules |
| 04:46.05 | lavamind | and loading libata in initrd results in an unknown symbol error, probably because of a dependecy I have been trying without success to identify ... |
| 04:48.56 | lavamind | beardy, actually the southbridge is labelled AMD-766 |
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| 04:50.59 | beardy | lavamind: Is a module named aic7xxx loaded? |
| 04:51.56 | beardy | lavamind: Or existing, I assume you use a 2.6 kernel.. what I looked at was quite old. |
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| 04:54.16 | lavamind | beardy, I think amd74xx is the one |
| 04:54.49 | lavamind | beardy, its listed there->http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/BLK_DEV_AMD74XX.html as supporting AMD-766 |
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| 04:55.55 | lavamind | beardy, should I simply drop it into lib/modules/2.6.26-XX-i386/kernel/drivers/ide inside the initrd ? |
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| 04:56.41 | lavamind | there seem to be quite a few different scripts that deal with loading modules in there, haven't quite figured it out yet... |
| 04:57.05 | beardy | lavamind: Then it might do that yes. Hmm, not too sure on initrd fiddling. |
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| 04:57.47 | beardy | lavamind: There should be a nice way to do it, add it, and then rebuild the initrd the Debian way. |
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| 04:58.31 | lavamind | beardy, no kidding, and we're part of that 99.9999% percent of people who have no clue how to do it :p |
| 04:59.03 | beardy | Well, I atleast is part of the percentage that can and will figure it out. |
| 04:59.09 | beardy | am. |
| 04:59.09 | lavamind | lets see if i cant hop on into that 0.0001% heheh |
| 04:59.26 | beardy | lavamind: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/12236 |
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| 05:00.48 | lavamind | beardy, using a livecd, do you think I just need to chroot into my real root ? |
| 05:01.38 | lavamind | answring to myself, yes but probably initramsfs needs to be told where to find the real initramfs... :p |
| 05:01.51 | beardy | lavamind: Hmm, it probably will be confused about the running kernel, and so on.. |
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| 05:03.25 | beardy | lavamind: Let's check the manual for update-initramfs |
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| 05:07.01 | lavamind | beardy, hrmm I think chroot and update-initramfs -u -b /mnt/md0 should do it ? |
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| 05:08.33 | Dewi | anyone know a good way to emulate a terminal to catch output from a full-screen console app ? |
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| 05:10.35 | tomodachi | Dewi: i think screen might have features wich cando that |
| 05:10.50 | Dewi | tomodachi: I mean something non-interactive |
| 05:10.53 | Dewi | tomodachi: for scripting... |
| 05:11.10 | Dewi | just want to full the app into thinking it is writing to a terminal |
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| 05:11.23 | Dewi | because it aborts if it isn't |
| 05:11.40 | beardy | What program is it? |
| 05:11.47 | Dewi | elinks |
| 05:12.07 | Dewi | want to capture a shot of a web page |
| 05:12.37 | Dewi | with cron... |
| 05:12.39 | tomodachi | still think screen might be it |
| 05:12.56 | beardy | Dewi: And it has to be a rendered one? |
| 05:13.01 | Dewi | screen would stay resident though |
| 05:13.22 | Dewi | beardy: I can't make any of the dump ones to maintain enough state |
| 05:13.22 | beardy | Dewi: Just grabbing the page seems more.. easy. |
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| 05:13.39 | Dewi | beardy: there must be some JS or smoething |
| 05:14.10 | Dewi | beardy: curl, despite specifying a working cookie jar, I just get a page saying I need to turn cookies on |
| 05:14.20 | beardy | lavamind: Hmm. Check the -k option. You probably have to tell it the kernel you are making it for, but maybe it looks in /boot and does it for all it finds, I don't know. |
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| 05:15.13 | beardy | Dewi: lynx has things to control it non-interactively.. like if it were contorlled interactively, anyway. |
| 05:15.15 | arrenlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.46 | beardy | Dewi: If you can use lynx instead of elinks, and if it doesn't choke on JS, that is.. |
| 05:17.07 | Dewi | beardy: what sort of control doese lynx let you do? |
| 05:17.12 | Dewi | -e |
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| 05:17.24 | leetdude1 | hi |
| 05:17.28 | leetdude1 | debain linux is basically shit |
| 05:17.41 | Dewi | basically. |
| 05:17.54 | beardy | Eh.. |
| 05:17.57 | arrenlex | Glad I use debian then. |
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| 05:18.04 | arrenlex | Debain sounds like a chinese knockoff. |
| 05:18.23 | jjoseph | hahaha |
| 05:18.47 | beardy | Dewi: Is /msg:ing you a link ok? |
| 05:18.54 | Dewi | beardy: sure |
| 05:18.55 | leetdude1 | in fact |
| 05:18.59 | leetdude1 | the hole internet is sht |
| 05:19.01 | leetdude1 | shit |
| 05:19.04 | leetdude1 | fuck it |
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| 05:19.07 | Dewi | leetdude1: evidently |
| 05:19.10 | beardy | Dewi: Like that. |
| 05:19.15 | Dewi | beardy: thx |
| 05:19.19 | leetdude1 | i used to be a hacker |
| 05:19.26 | leetdude1 | no im retired |
| 05:19.30 | leetdude1 | the intrent is just shit |
| 05:19.31 | leetdude1 | really |
| 05:19.36 | beardy | leetdude1: Please go to #debian-offtopic. |
| 05:19.39 | leetdude1 | im disilioused with computers |
| 05:19.43 | leetdude1 | the games don't wow me anymore |
| 05:19.50 | leetdude1 | i wasted 1.3k on this fucking computer |
| 05:19.55 | leetdude1 | and the games are still boring |
| 05:20.06 | leetdude1 | life is just not like it used to be |
| 05:20.14 | leetdude1 | i used to look forward to video games |
| 05:20.18 | leetdude1 | now everyting is just shit |
| 05:20.26 | leetdude1 | nothing left to look forward too |
| 05:20.54 | leetdude1 | im just gonna fuck off |
| 05:21.01 | leetdude1 | no use fixing my life |
| 05:21.03 | HttpError | Aye. |
| 05:21.04 | leetdude1 | it suyx |
| 05:21.25 | leetdude1 | computers used to be fun |
| 05:21.30 | leetdude1 | now nothing is |
| 05:21.36 | leetdude1 | maybe street fighter 4 will be godo |
| 05:21.54 | beardy | leetdude1: Please go to #debian-offtopic instead. |
| 05:22.00 | leetdude1 | u think i should break the screen off this laptop? |
| 05:22.03 | SportChick | leetdude1: please respond to your query |
| 05:22.03 | newsense | resident evil! |
| 05:22.12 | leetdude1 | i did |
| 05:22.25 | leetdude1 | im thinking about breaking this laptop in half |
| 05:22.31 | arrenlex | leetdude1 &> /dev/null |
| 05:22.48 | leetdude1 | its a duo core 2 ghz with 512 mmb ge force 9600 and 4 gigs of ram |
| 05:22.53 | leetdude1 | im thinking about break ing |
| 05:22.55 | leetdude1 | it |
| 05:23.35 | Dewi | leetdude1: we're thinking about kicking you |
| 05:23.42 | leetdude1 | anyone want a free computer? |
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| 05:25.19 | tomodachi | secret ops |
| 05:25.26 | tomodachi | as we call them... |
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| 05:29.37 | CITguy08 | does anybody know how I can find the installed files for a specific package? |
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| 05:31.33 | CITguy08 | nm, it's in the man page for dpkg |
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| 05:31.39 | beardy | Yeah. |
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| 05:32.43 | ron1985 | does anyone know of a command other then make-kpkg --initrd to make an initrd image?(debian lenny) |
| 05:33.13 | lavamind | ron1985, update-initramfs -c |
| 05:33.36 | ron1985 | lavamind: thanks |
| 05:34.16 | lavamind | beardy, I'm one step closer, i regenerated the initd with update-initramfs, this time using modules=most instead of modules=dep |
| 05:34.32 | lavamind | now the system detects the disks at startup |
| 05:34.58 | lavamind | however, the loop-aes script runs before mdadm, so it still fails to boot |
| 05:35.42 | lavamind | though I'm not sure where I should report the bug |
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| 05:35.59 | lavamind | initramsfs-tools package perhaps ? |
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| 05:39.30 | beardy | lavamind: In the package that update-initramfs is in, since that is what you used? |
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| 05:41.41 | beardy | lavamind: Though yes.. since something builds the directory that it uses to build the initrd.. the package doing that, which maybe is the kernel, is where to report it.. |
| 05:43.10 | beardy | lavamind: But, to have it working for now, that you can change manually, right, by mounting and change the order in which the scripts run. |
| 05:43.24 | lavamind | beardy, yes I trying that now |
| 05:43.30 | beardy | (which you probably are doing yes :) ) |
| 05:45.36 | lavamind | hrmm, the scripts seem to run fine |
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| 05:46.14 | lavamind | though it stops booting right after scripts/local-top, with "Waiting to root filesystem" or something similar |
| 05:46.43 | beardy | hopes it says "for" instead ;) |
| 05:46.46 | lavamind | I tried enetring my gpg password there, to no avail |
| 05:46.53 | lavamind | beardy, yes hehhe |
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| 05:48.42 | beardy | lavamind: It would prompt you if you need to enter a password, with "Password:". Can the module be loaded, after the initrd, by your kernel? |
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| 05:50.03 | beardy | lavamind: Here I show my not so great knowledge right now of the boot process with an initrd.. does the modules get loaded from the initrd, and stay loaded? If they don't, I guess the point of an initrd is a bit lost, to me atleast. |
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| 05:51.51 | beardy | lavamind: But anyway. Looks like it thinks it can't read the root filesystem, obviously.. does the kernel have the necessary encryption modules? Possibly in the initrd, then? |
| 05:53.22 | lavamind | beardy, it might have discarded them when I updated the initramfs |
| 05:53.35 | beardy | lavamind: Possible yes. Mount and check. |
| 05:53.47 | lavamind | but I'm not sure at this point, I just figured out it will wait 180s for root to pop up then drop to a shell |
| 05:53.56 | lavamind | so waiting for that to happen now< |
| 05:54.00 | beardy | lavamind: Ah, ok. |
| 05:54.31 | lavamind | i find strange that the loopaes script doesn't output any error though |
| 05:55.19 | beardy | (If it really was in the wrong order though.. a bit strange that such a thing has not been reported and fixed earlier if so.) |
| 05:56.36 | lavamind | think I found it, it didnt like the way I renamed the scripts in local-top (01-*, 02-*, etc) |
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| 05:57.00 | beardy | Ok. |
| 05:57.05 | lavamind | so basically at this point its not executing any of them |
| 05:57.33 | lavamind | there should be an error check right there :p |
| 05:57.58 | beardy | Well.. is that the correct naming scheme, or something you just made up? |
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| 05:59.40 | lavamind | beardy, there is no naming scheme for the scripts in that directory as far as i can tell |
| 06:00.03 | beardy | lavamind: How does it choose priority then? You might be in the wrong place then. |
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| 06:00.20 | lavamind | beardy, i believe they just get executed in alphavetical order (loopaes, lvm, mdadm) |
| 06:00.35 | lavamind | beardy, no I'm in the right place for sure |
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| 06:01.17 | beardy | lavamind: Ok.. no other place with numbered symlinks then? (like I said, not that knowledgeable on initrds) |
| 06:01.34 | lavamind | with the standard initramfs, a script in local-top it complains about not finding /dev/md1, which is consistent with loopaes being executed before mdadm |
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| 06:02.02 | beardy | I see. |
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| 06:02.53 | lavamind | before I used update-initramfs, I renamed mdadm to 1mdadm, and only then mdadm would complain about not finding any md devices |
| 06:03.12 | lavamind | which led me to find out that it wasnt detecting my ide controller |
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| 06:07.26 | lavamind | beardy, ah crap ..... |
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| 06:08.22 | lavamind | beardy, it boots up now |
| 06:08.53 | beardy | lavamind: Good, so what did it? |
| 06:10.09 | lavamind | beardy, renaming mdadm to 01-mdadm didn't do it, so I renamed it 1mdadm (so it runs first) |
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| 06:10.48 | lavamind | beardy, now it gently detects raid arrays before trying to mount the loopaes filesystems |
| 06:11.17 | lavamind | at which point it asks me for a password, and continues on its merry way up to the login prompt |
| 06:11.41 | cirno9 | hey guys |
| 06:11.44 | cirno9 | remember me? |
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| 06:11.53 | cirno9 | well i need more advice |
| 06:12.13 | cirno9 | i'm talking to a friend on skype, and he's trying to show me webcam but I don't even have the option to use webcam |
| 06:12.29 | lavamind | beardy, maybe I'm just the only bloke that like to have a loop-aes encrypted filesystem on top of an md device |
| 06:12.37 | lavamind | but I doubt it |
| 06:12.59 | lavamind | I think I just probably the most stubborn one |
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| 06:13.24 | rabbott | Hi, Having an issue where the default gateway is lost upon reboot, can anyone help? |
| 06:14.08 | Sashi | say a local user resides in /home/user, i have a script that finds everything in the folder and output (using find), but how can i get it to output folder/file instead of /home/user/folder/file? (once again using find) |
| 06:14.41 | lavamind | rabbott, specify it in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 06:16.06 | lavamind | Sashi, cd /home/user then find . |
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| 06:16.34 | rabbott | @lavamind: Thanks :) |
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| 06:17.25 | beardy | lavamind: Yes. Report that, and how you solved it, if you like.. good work. |
| 06:17.31 | lavamind | Sashi, or : find /home/user | sed /home\/user// |
| 06:18.45 | lavamind | beardy, will do, I think smooth raid/lvm/loopaes installs are really important |
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| 06:19.11 | beardy | !beer lavamind |
| 06:19.11 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Spaten Pils for lavamind |
| 06:19.18 | lavamind | if I'm right, I hope it'll get fixed before lenny gets released |
| 06:19.34 | beardy | Or delay it 4 months more. ;) |
| 06:19.35 | lavamind | beardy, cheers |
| 06:19.41 | lavamind | heheh |
| 06:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sashi, find will show the path starting from where you specified it... so cd /home/user ; find . -whatever option |
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| 06:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | lavamind, hehe you forgot a quote there, though - It'll be a nice excercise that way ;) |
| 06:26.32 | lavamind | CutMeOwnThroat, right, the regexp should be inside quotes |
| 06:27.43 | martianixor | itchi: hi, I hope you're there, it's urgent, may I PM ? |
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| 06:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | lavamind, I meant you escaped only one / |
| 06:28.27 | jaggz | anyone have any luck getting jahshaka to work under debian? I'm using etch and can't get openlibraries to compile. |
| 06:28.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | lavamind, ops, I'm wrong, sorry |
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| 06:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | these things get sometimes harder to read than to write |
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| 06:29.16 | beardy | Yep. |
| 06:29.21 | TelvistaMX | We are conducting a Freenode poll on social attitudes. Respond by PMing numerical response. |
| 06:29.24 | TelvistaMX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:30.07 | beardy | !ops TelvistaMX |
| 06:30.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: beardy complains about: TelvistaMX |
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| 06:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | could have an auto-kill on the word 'negroid' seems to be part of all nazi-spam |
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| 06:32.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I'd have regretted saying that if that would've been already in effect :) |
| 06:32.48 | beardy | Exactly, not so clever. |
| 06:33.01 | beardy | No offense.. but it wasn't. |
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| 06:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* but then I never claimed to be clever |
| 06:35.34 | beardy | :) |
| 06:35.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | other people do occasionally, though |
| 06:35.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yet others claim the reverse :) |
| 06:36.16 | beardy | I meant the statement, not you. |
| 06:36.21 | beardy | Yeah.. that's how it is. |
| 06:39.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hast this stuff become more on the internet, or do I just see it more? |
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| 06:41.11 | beardy | It's probably within the usual variation in.. occurance. |
| 06:41.21 | mrglinux | hi i installed pptpd server on my debian etch server and also i could connected to that but no site opened or internet connection from my server |
| 06:41.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | browsed through stations on shoutcast.com and came upon a station that played neo-nazi bands only a couple of weeks ago (ok - I searched for "skin" the solo-name of the ex-lead singer of skunk anansie) |
| 06:42.18 | mrglinux | also i ran iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 06:42.20 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, that was quite.. expectable then. |
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| 06:43.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, well... easy to say that afterwards - didn't really expect it... but there we are again never said I'm clever :-P |
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| 06:44.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mrglinux, I have no clue, can only offer you the wisdom of the factoid database... start with /msg dpkg pptp - you can then msg the bot about all words in <>-brackets |
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| 06:45.09 | mrglinux | alright |
| 06:45.22 | dav | trying to get compiz to work with 3d desktops. are the packages i want compiz+compizconfig-settings-manager ? |
| 06:46.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-gtk |
| 06:46.36 | beardy | dav: /msg dpkg compiz |
| 06:46.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I played with it all day, looks neat but I feel it's pretty unusable in reality |
| 06:46.46 | jzhou_ | dav: some backend like kconfig or gconf as well |
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| 06:47.50 | dav | beardy: read that, thx. |
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| 06:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, mind you have to not only start compiz, but also gtk-window-decorator |
| 06:48.12 | beardy | mrglinux: Did you mean pppd? |
| 06:48.28 | dav | in ccsm, it seems like the "3d" desktop is configured. yet when i hit ctrl+alt+right it's very much 2d. |
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| 06:49.07 | mrglinux | beardy yes i used it |
| 06:49.12 | dav | CutMeOwnThroat: u sure? seems to work ok with just compiz. doesn't do the 3d stuff but it has the window decoration.. |
| 06:49.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, mine hadn't |
| 06:49.44 | mrglinux | beardy: and with it http://olafsblog.sysbsb.de/?p=68 i can connected but no ping site or ... |
| 06:49.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, what version of debian are you running? |
| 06:49.46 | dav | CutMeOwnThroat: it's running metacity. is that right? |
| 06:49.52 | dav | CutMeOwnThroat: testing |
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| 06:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, I don't think it can run metacity - it's running gtk-window-decorator which uses metacity themes and therefore looks like metacity |
| 06:50.29 | mrglinux | beardy what's wrong do you think ? |
| 06:50.35 | dav | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you put in your .xinitrc? |
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| 06:51.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, I didn't put any - I started a 2nd WM-less X server to play with it and started it from a shell |
| 06:51.22 | beardy | mrglinux: Hard to say. This is #debian too.. if you are using Dbuntu, please ask in #ubuntu. |
| 06:51.34 | beardy | Ubuntu* |
| 06:51.40 | mrglinux | :-D |
| 06:51.43 | dav | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you start first? gtk-window-deco? then compiz? |
| 06:51.53 | mrglinux | beardy doesn't it problem refer to debian server? |
| 06:52.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, but as I said, I'm not impressed - minimized windows just disappear (I'm not using a taskbar) and my mouse pointer kept disappearing |
| 06:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, I started compiz, then gtk-window-decorator - but the order doesn't seem to matter |
| 06:52.55 | dav | i think i see what's wrong, it's not finding Xgl. let me read that doc some more. thx guys. |
| 06:53.09 | beardy | mrglinux: No, Ubuntu and Debian are two separate distributions, many may differ, what we tell you might break things more for you. Ubuntu is not supported here. |
| 06:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, one thing that extremely baffles me is... why are no desktops on the top an on the bottom? |
| 06:53.22 | beardy | many things.. losing words. |
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| 06:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, hehe, it still made sense in quite a twisted way :) |
| 06:54.07 | dav | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't know i've never played with the thing yet :) |
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| 06:54.29 | mrglinux | beardy you didn't got it what i said .. the server of vpn is debain etch and client of vpn is ubuntu .. i can connected to server but no website opened.. may it this problem refer to server? |
| 06:55.01 | beardy | mrglinux: Ah. Yes, that's very possible that the problem is on the server, yes. |
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| 06:55.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, and I felt it's not giving me enough desktop space - I increased the horizontal viewpoints to 6 - more takes to long to get to any of them... and that's it - here with fvwm2 I have 4x9=32 different viewpoints and can still easily switch to any of them.... |
| 06:56.30 | beardy | mrglinux: I don't know what pptpd is exactly.. but you should check at lower levels before trying to reach a webserver. Is the thing configured properly, should it give out an ip address using dhcp, and does it, or, should the client be configured with an ip address, if so, is it? |
| 06:57.23 | mrglinux | beardy i need connection of my server .. maybe it doesn't refer to vpn so i ran iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 06:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, I'm considering to have some easy way to switch to it if I want to impress someone else :) |
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| 06:57.41 | mrglinux | beardy are there another thing do you suggest ? |
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| 06:57.43 | floppyears | hi guys |
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| 06:58.02 | floppyears | what do people in europe use to host their open source projects ? |
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| 06:58.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, but it's rather clearly more pretty than functional (of course, it depends on your general desktop use - most windows users work on a single desktop/viewpoint with a space-stealing taskbar etc. etc. and still seem content) |
| 06:59.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | sourceforge? and how is that debian-related? |
| 06:59.31 | beardy | Or geographically related? |
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| 07:00.12 | beardy | mrglinux: Not really no.. like I said I've never used pptpd. |
| 07:00.40 | mrglinux | beardy so what did you try ? |
| 07:00.42 | hoxu | floppyears, there's sourceforge, google code, berlios, savannah, alioth, launchpad, ... |
| 07:00.43 | dav | still getting this: |
| 07:00.44 | dav | david(1)@troi:~$ compiz |
| 07:00.44 | dav | Checking for Xgl: not present. |
| 07:00.58 | dav | running native proprietary nvidia server |
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| 07:01.07 | beardy | mrglinux: google "pptpd debian" |
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| 07:01.29 | dav | with all the args that http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz recommends.. |
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| 07:02.40 | enouf | wiat, nvidia doesn't use xgl, right? and ati doesn't use aiglx? or is that backwards? .. or just wrong? |
| 07:02.43 | lavamind | beardy, i found out more about the problem |
| 07:03.06 | lavamind | it seems the culprit is loop-aes-utils |
| 07:03.07 | Titan8990 | enouf, xgl and aiglx are no required for compiz |
| 07:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, did you enable composite in xorg.conf? |
| 07:03.13 | enouf | or does none of that matter anyway? |
| 07:03.15 | arvind_khadri | how do i install xchat, flash support and ntfs-3g |
| 07:03.22 | enouf | Titan8990: ok - thanks |
| 07:03.25 | beardy | lavamind: Ok? |
| 07:03.30 | dav | CutMeOwnThroat: affirmative. |
| 07:03.31 | Titan8990 | enouf, you can try adding skip checks |
| 07:03.34 | arvind_khadri | and ya compiz too |
| 07:04.01 | lavamind | beardy, specifically /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/loopaes |
| 07:04.22 | lavamind | at the beginning of the file, it's supposed to report dependencies |
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| 07:04.58 | enouf | lavamind: aha .. i |
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| 07:05.15 | lavamind | in my specific case, where I have loop-aes on top of RAID, it should report mdadm |
| 07:05.19 | arvind_khadri | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-in-debian-etchlennysid.html is it ok if i follow this ??? |
| 07:05.30 | lavamind | as a prerequisite |
| 07:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log tells you (**) Option "AIGLX" "true"? |
| 07:06.05 | beardy | lavamind: Consider less Enters :) Ok. |
| 07:06.51 | enouf | lavamind: yeah - nm |
| 07:07.34 | enzotib | arvind_khadri, http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 07:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, perhaps comparing with my one helps http://pastebin.com/f62f80f07 and http://pastebin.com/f769565b5 |
| 07:08.11 | arvind_khadri | enzotib: thanks... lookin into it |
| 07:08.36 | beardy | lavamind: So.. was that the whole thing, apart from the module needing to be put in with a rebuild? Then I guess it is initramfs-tools' fault/responsibility then? |
| 07:08.59 | floppyears | hoxu: what about non-us sites ? |
| 07:09.12 | hoxu | floppyears, why do you need a non-us site? |
| 07:09.15 | enouf | lavamind: is that the recent lenny rc2 installer? |
| 07:09.18 | beardy | floppyears: Most of them have mirrors all over the planet. |
| 07:09.35 | arvind_khadri | enzotib: i go with flash player 9? |
| 07:09.48 | floppyears | I'm writing an essay for a class and I decided to write it in that topic |
| 07:10.00 | floppyears | I just didn't expect it to be that hard to come up with a list of sites |
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| 07:10.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | berlinos is non-us |
| 07:10.40 | beardy | Why on Earth you are asking in here is still beyond us. |
| 07:10.43 | hoxu | floppyears, well uh, insisting on a "non-us" in the internet is kind of... weird, you never know where sites have or will put up mirrors at |
| 07:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | floppyears, the internet is... quite international? |
| 07:11.17 | lavamind | beardy, the ide module is another issue, but its actually the initramfs script supplied in the loop-aes-utils package that should be adapted, imho |
| 07:11.46 | beardy | lavamind: Yes. That is (seemingly) indeed a real bug, then. |
| 07:11.51 | lavamind | enouf, nightly cd image of netinst |
| 07:12.24 | enzotib | arvind_khadri, have you etch? |
| 07:12.29 | enouf | lavamind: aha .. i've been following .. slowly catching up - took a peek inside my .26 initrd ... read through contents of all the various scripts/local and scripts/init dirs, and man, some weirdness and prerequisites are needed prior to many of them to run (there are many #FIXME commented lines as well) - anyway, i have no scripts/local-top/loopaes{-utils} scripts since no loopaes was used, however; i have dmraid, mdadm, lvm{2} scripts |
| 07:12.32 | enouf | , but i didn't use any of that/those during install either |
| 07:12.42 | beardy | lavamind: No idea what limits there are for the modules that are included, and which are not. |
| 07:12.44 | arvind_khadri | enzotib: ya |
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| 07:13.21 | enzotib | arvind_khadri, so 9 is what is available, it's not ok? |
| 07:13.43 | beardy | enouf: lavamind: Yeah.. made me a bit scared when you (lavamind) said the scripts were run alphabetically.. and digits in the names broke it totally.. |
| 07:13.59 | enouf | lavamind: i ask, because i'd like you to file an installation-report , reportbug - please see; http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html |
| 07:14.50 | arvind_khadri | enzotib: no am just asking, whether if i go with 10 will there be any problem, and what about ntfs-3g and xchat... in synaptic i was unable to find both.. |
| 07:15.06 | enouf | beardy: and lavamind {take a look at the scripts/local script} i have no scripts/local-bottom script either |
| 07:15.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hoxu, I find it even more interesting that he didn't bother to check out the things you told him :) |
| 07:16.17 | enouf | beardy: and lavamind i have no scripts/local-bottom dir (i meant) either |
| 07:16.19 | lavamind | beardy, they ARE run alphabetically, but they do report prerequisites |
| 07:16.23 | enzotib | arvind_khadri, what repo do you have in sources.list? |
| 07:16.43 | arvind_khadri | enzotib: the basic two, main and contrib |
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| 07:17.27 | lavamind | enouf, the issue is with loop-aes-utils, pecifically /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/loopaes (that file gets copied into scripts/local-top in initrd) |
| 07:17.50 | beardy | lavamind: Yes. But digits broke it, didn't it? They should go first.. but I guess it broke because it took them first of all, then.. still a bad scheme IMO. Why not use the.. default init scheme. |
| 07:17.58 | enzotib | arvind_khadri, only from security.debian.org? |
| 07:19.03 | arvind_khadri | enzotib: on more from us.debian.org |
| 07:19.13 | enouf | read scripts/local-top/udevhelper .. no prereq :-) .. but lavamind i have no /scripts/local-top/loopaes in my initrd, but i have all the others mentioned |
| 07:19.16 | beardy | lavamind: (rhetorical) |
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| 07:20.10 | enouf | /tmp/initrd-26.1/scripts/local-top$ ls |
| 07:20.10 | enouf | dmraid lvm mdadm udev_helper |
| 07:20.13 | lavamind | beardy, look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464788 at that point it was because I broke the naming convention by inserting a dash |
| 07:20.41 | enouf | right - the dash in the names matter too - it checks for that (i was reading the scripts) |
| 07:20.53 | lavamind | enouf, thats because you have no loop-aes encrypted volumes on your system |
| 07:21.04 | enouf | lavamind: i know - and that's what i said ;-) |
| 07:21.26 | lavamind | enouf, ok, nm then |
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| 07:22.04 | enouf | parses bug report dates against his kernel/initrd dates |
| 07:22.23 | dav | as ridiculous as it may seem the problem was the the Xorg log file was only readable by root so the compiz script couldn't read it.... |
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| 07:22.45 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:23.06 | enouf | in my initrd anyways - the local-top/lvm script |
| 07:23.26 | arvind_khadri | enzotib: do i need something else? |
| 07:25.10 | enouf | dav: you mean instead of -rw-r--r-- 1 root root .... you had -rw------- 1 root root ... ? |
| 07:25.23 | enouf | dav: did you generate yours using X -configure? |
| 07:25.32 | enouf | as root/sudo ? |
| 07:25.46 | dav | enouf: generate... the log? |
| 07:25.53 | dav | enouf: yes, it was mode 600 root/root. |
| 07:26.04 | enouf | oh crap, i thought you said xorg.conf |
| 07:26.56 | enouf | dav: so changing to 644, and all is well? |
| 07:27.06 | enouf | dav: how did it get to be 600? |
| 07:28.05 | enouf | dav: is /var mounted on it's own partition? using specific mount options? |
| 07:29.06 | enzotib | arvind_khadri, don't know, i have also something like: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
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| 07:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, why should it need to read it? |
| 07:29.35 | arvind_khadri | enzotib: so in synaptic do you get xchat? |
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| 07:29.45 | dav | enouf: it's correct for it to be 600.. |
| 07:29.46 | enouf | lavamind: i also note that i do have a local-top/lvm, but no local-top/lvm2 script |
| 07:29.52 | enouf | dav: nope |
| 07:30.06 | enouf | Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
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| 07:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, it aint 600 on my system - can't possibly be correct!!!123 |
| 07:30.54 | dav | CutMeOwnThroat: /usr/bin/compiz is a shell script and it greps the log to find some driver. |
| 07:31.02 | dav | CutMeOwnThroat / enouf - i run with umask 077. |
| 07:31.24 | enzotib | arvind_khadri, apt-get update && apt-cache pkgnames | grep xchat, to see if you can install it |
| 07:31.38 | dav | althought that log is of little value, I don't see the point of showing it to users.. |
| 07:31.41 | enouf | dav: hence the problems :-) |
| 07:31.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav, well, you see it now :) |
| 07:32.02 | dav | right :) |
| 07:32.31 | enouf | dav: why not just mount /var 'ro' ? :-P |
| 07:32.32 | dav | anyway, compiz crashes as soon as I use some 3D feature. I'll try the tweaks in the doc tomorrow, I'm exhausted now. |
| 07:33.01 | dav | enouf: hehe, reading is too much permission, maybe i should not mount it at all? |
| 07:33.10 | dav | g'night guys. |
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| 07:34.09 | enouf | arvind_khadri: might behoove you to search packages.debian.org to see which of main, contrib, non-free some things you want are in (or ask judd the bot) .. then /msg dpkg non-free if you want |
| 07:35.19 | achilles | hello, I set the system clock using hwclock, but web applications like sugarCRM still not adjusted, is there specific apache config ? |
| 07:35.26 | enouf | dav: you'd have more issues than compiz and Xorg.0.log if /var/run/pid.* (et al) isn't allowed to be generated (rw) :-P |
| 07:36.09 | enouf | gah, i meant /var/run/*.pid ofcourse :-p |
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| 07:36.34 | arvind_khadri | enouf: thanks looking into it |
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| 07:38.38 | enouf | achilles: maybe you could modprobe -r sugarCRM_module && modprobe sugarCRM_module ? or ... look for a specific apache2 / a2restart type function for restarting/reloading modules only |
| 07:39.37 | achilles | enouf, ah .. okay |
| 07:40.17 | achilles | thank you |
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| 07:41.03 | enouf | achilles: hope you find it |
| 07:42.34 | lavamind | beardy, enouf, report sent : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=loop-aes-utils |
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| 07:45.20 | achilles | enouf, I rebooted the entire server :) .. still not system clock so far away of web clock |
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| 07:46.30 | nsadmin | there shouldn't be more than one clock |
| 07:46.49 | nsadmin | unless it's more than one machine (virtual or actual) |
| 07:47.34 | enouf | lavamind: bravo - thanks |
| 07:47.44 | enouf | achilles: ugh .. not good |
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| 08:01.10 | internat1 | howdy all.. i have a bash scripting questiong.. say i have /path/to/1/2/3/4/file. i want to get the part betwe /part/to and file, so i want returned 1/2/3/4.. I have the filename, and i always have the "/part/to" but i dont know how to easily get the middle part from that.. any suggestions? |
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| 08:03.52 | beardy | internat1: Use sed. |
| 08:04.00 | internat1 | if i knew how i would. |
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| 08:04.35 | StanManCan | Hey, how do you increase your screen buffer size on an excisting installation ?? |
| 08:04.43 | beardy | internat1: Is the path always the same, or varying? |
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| 08:05.10 | internat1 | the /part/to is stored in a static variable |
| 08:05.14 | internat1 | the 1/2/3/4 will change |
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| 08:07.30 | StanManCan | Sorry. meant to ask how you increase your _console_ buffer |
| 08:08.28 | StanManCan | where's wai been |
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| 08:11.15 | arvind_khadri | enzotib, thanks for the help...finally i got xchat running and flash is working too... |
| 08:11.32 | arvind_khadri | enzotib, what about ntfs-3g |
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| 08:14.10 | beardy | internat1: Example: 'echo "/path/to/1/2/3/4/file" | sed -e s,/path/to/,,' that's how you can use sed in your case, hopefully that is what you meant. |
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| 08:24.01 | dustybin | anybody know of a news reader what is capable of working with usenet / .NZB files? |
| 08:24.07 | dustybin | (text / terminal only) |
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| 08:25.56 | nsadmin | to search, you must learn... or must do |
| 08:26.21 | nsadmin | (know you already, suspects I...) |
| 08:27.40 | nsadmin | try: apt-cache search news |
| 08:29.07 | dustybin | nsadmin: the only one i can find is this |
| 08:29.08 | dustybin | nzb - An nzb based Usenet binary grabber |
| 08:29.12 | dustybin | but that isnt text based |
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| 08:30.28 | arvind_khadri | i can see ntfs-3g in the repoÅ but not able to install it...it says that it has no installation candidate..what do i do? |
| 08:31.39 | nsadmin | dustybin: news readers connect to news servers... |
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| 08:32.31 | nsadmin | but I digress since I'm playing with mma and lemma |
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| 08:33.17 | hark | !tell arvind_khadri -about ntfs-3g |
| 08:33.46 | dustybin | nsadmin: i can connect to the news server with tin, but it cannot handle downloading binaries using .NZB |
| 08:34.10 | dustybin | nsadmin: i search for the file i want here: http://www.newzleech.com |
| 08:34.18 | dustybin | then download the .NZB |
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| 08:34.39 | nsadmin | you might be able to do things manually |
| 08:34.42 | dustybin | but i need a text based linux client what can handle that .NZB and download the file |
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| 08:35.04 | dustybin | usenet kicks the hell out of torrents :D |
| 08:35.16 | nsadmin | oic, so the nzb refers to a collection of news articles |
| 08:35.38 | dustybin | it just provides a direct link for the client to download the file |
| 08:35.43 | dustybin | i think.. |
| 08:35.44 | nsadmin | you still might be able to do it manually, meaning: |
| 08:36.00 | nsadmin | (1) you find the articles or the first article |
| 08:36.15 | nsadmin | (2) piece together the articles |
| 08:36.29 | nsadmin | (3) run extraction on the result |
| 08:36.34 | dustybin | ive done that already with tin, but that is _seriously_ time consuming |
| 08:36.55 | dustybin | nearly impossible, usenet is too big, thats why you need to use a dedicated search engine like newsleech |
| 08:38.07 | arvind_khadri | hark, thanks... can i install firefox 3? |
| 08:38.10 | dustybin | this is python based: hellanzb - Newzbin (nzb) & BinNews (bns) files downloader and post-processor |
| 08:38.13 | dustybin | tests |
| 08:38.16 | nsadmin | can you find what you need outside of debian, that you can build and install? |
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| 08:38.52 | dustybin | http://www.hellanzb.com/trac/ |
| 08:39.09 | dustybin | this looks promising, its already on debian |
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| 08:39.36 | nsadmin | so it's sorta like a torrent tracker for usenet? |
| 08:39.42 | dustybin | yes |
| 08:39.43 | hark | arvind_khadri: not in etch |
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| 08:40.03 | dustybin | usenet has a better selection than torrents, plus the downloads speeds are the best you can get |
| 08:40.18 | nsadmin | do you need a connection for a reader to a news server? |
| 08:40.19 | hark | arvind_khadri: why don't you install lenny instead? |
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| 08:40.31 | dustybin | nsadmin: i dont if i use a .NZB downloader |
| 08:40.53 | nsadmin | doesn't the downloader need to connect to usenet? |
| 08:41.17 | smakingz | installing cpanel on debian, is that only a trial? |
| 08:41.35 | dustybin | all i need is a .NZB search, like http://www.newzleech.com/ find the file i want, download the .NZB, then put than in a linux console based .NZB processor like hellanzb |
| 08:41.56 | smakingz | I was just doing that to learn it and learn servers from using my old pc at home, before I buy a server. I want to be ready to know what I am doing. |
| 08:42.03 | dustybin | nsadmin: yes it will need to connect to use usenet, i have a account |
| 08:42.04 | smakingz | atleast the basic's more |
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| 08:50.31 | arvind_ | i am just unable to install ntfs-3g |
| 08:51.43 | nsadmin | smakingz: that's pretty easy to do, at least what's easy is to learn where information on the parts are |
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| 08:53.56 | arvind_khadri | whatever i try to install it says that it has no installation candidate |
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| 08:54.51 | nsadmin | arvind_khadri give an example... first, what's in the file /etc/debian_version? |
| 08:55.13 | nsadmin | then, could you pastebin the content of the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:55.17 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, i am running etch... i added the backports too... |
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| 08:55.40 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, paste it to paste.ubuntu.com ? |
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| 08:55.48 | nsadmin | finally, what was the last command you ran that said no installateion candidate? |
| 08:56.01 | nsadmin | anywhere you want... |
| 08:56.15 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, i tried for ntfs-3g, then i tried for sun-java6-plugin |
| 08:56.27 | Duke_Nuke | there's a low-latency kernel image for debian? to use debian inside a VM as for ubuntu (jeos) and centos |
| 08:57.09 | nsadmin | Duke_Nuke: if you use xen, then each os would use its own kernel |
| 08:57.25 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/115086/ here |
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| 08:57.44 | nsadmin | but directly, no low lat kernel that I know of specifically. |
| 08:57.58 | Duke_Nuke | nsadmin, thanks |
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| 08:58.28 | dustybin | nsadmin: it works!!!!!!! i just simply download the .nzb file, stop it into a a hellanzb drop directory, it automatically picks it up and starts the download :D |
| 08:58.35 | dustybin | *drop |
| 08:58.51 | dustybin | 54% @ 1115.0KB/s |
| 08:58.52 | nsadmin | dustybin: cool :) |
| 08:58.58 | dustybin | my connection is maxed out |
| 08:59.20 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, so what do i do now?? |
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| 09:00.25 | nsadmin | arvind_khadri: not sure about java plugin (applet starting has become somehow different, there's something like jave-start) |
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| 09:01.00 | nsadmin | and ntfs-3g, did you build your own kernel? |
| 09:01.21 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, the thing should install right...even jdk doesnt... i didnt build my kernel...i just did a fresh install this morning |
| 09:01.45 | nsadmin | I dunno at this point whether ntfs3g is a kernel module or it's userland |
| 09:02.16 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, it was a made a package in ubuntu in 2007... |
| 09:02.26 | nsadmin | you -could- try module-assistant |
| 09:02.36 | Sashi | hmm how can i make it so that when someone uploads something say into bar/foo/foobar directory it goes to a folder called incoming, that way people wont download incomplete uploads then it will move to bar/foo/foobar dir once its done? |
| 09:02.46 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how to pin a specific package, that I update manually, to get apt to ignore it? |
| 09:02.54 | nsadmin | it might be pacaged in debian too, dunno for sure |
| 09:03.14 | nsadmin | you want it for your current running kernel? |
| 09:03.40 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, i see ntfs-3g as a package .. but i cant just install it... someone here asked me to enable backports on etch and then it would install but its not |
| 09:03.49 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, ya i want it for this kernel... |
| 09:04.11 | nsadmin | what's the version of that package? |
| 09:05.00 | hark | PiousMinion: /msg dpkg hold |
| 09:05.09 | hark | arvind_khadri: /mdg dpkg bat |
| 09:05.20 | nsadmin | what reason does it give for not installing? |
| 09:05.35 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, 1:1.516-1~bpo.1 |
| 09:05.52 | nsadmin | could that be the source? |
| 09:06.29 | nsadmin | hark: is it a module? or is it userland? |
| 09:06.53 | Sashi | omg wtf? |
| 09:06.54 | hark | userspace |
| 09:07.09 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, do you want to look into my /etc/apt/preferences |
| 09:07.11 | nsadmin | hmm, so ntfs-3g is not a kernel module |
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| 09:07.26 | hark | no, fuse |
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| 09:07.36 | hark | !ntfs-3g |
| 09:07.37 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 09:07.37 | nsadmin | arvind_khadri: no I don't think so yet |
| 09:07.43 | PiousMinion | hark: thanks |
| 09:08.47 | nsadmin | didn't you say it worked in your ubuntu (and therefore you have experience using it)? |
| 09:09.46 | nsadmin | arvind_khadri also, still waiting for whatever it might have said about why it wouldn't install |
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| 09:10.06 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, from 7.10 it came inbuilt ... |
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| 09:10.13 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, http://paste.debian.net/27852/ |
| 09:10.46 | nsadmin | oh, can't find it. |
| 09:10.50 | linlin | hello im looking for assistance with debian software raid, anyone experienced? |
| 09:11.09 | nsadmin | is it in etch/backports non-free? |
| 09:11.17 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, http://paste.debian.net/27853/ |
| 09:11.44 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, i think there is something wrong with the /etc/apt/prefeneces i created... |
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| 09:12.17 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, ya its there in etch-backports |
| 09:12.23 | nsadmin | I'm not familiar with that file... I think I've used it once |
| 09:12.33 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, etch-backports main |
| 09:12.47 | nsadmin | can you download the .deb? |
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| 09:13.35 | linlin | i have an existing software raid0 array of 2 drives, and i am looking to add 3 more drives to this array. can that be done without rebuilding the entire array? |
| 09:14.01 | arvind_khadri | hark, http://paste.debian.net/27854/ this is /etc/apt/preferences is it ok? |
| 09:14.09 | arvind_khadri | nsadmin, from where should i get it? |
| 09:14.24 | hark | A priority of -1 -> it won't install. |
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| 09:15.24 | Sashi | hmm how can i make it so that when someone uploads something say into bar/foo/foobar directory it goes to a folder called incoming, that way people wont download incomplete uploads then it will move to bar/foo/foobar dir once its done? |
| 09:15.27 | arvind_khadri | hark, so that means the preferences file needs to be modified? |
| 09:16.03 | nsadmin | Sashi: you could build somethign that does that probably |
| 09:16.34 | hark | arvind_khadri: just get rid of your preferences file. |
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| 09:16.44 | hark | arvind_khadri: why do you need it? |
| 09:16.45 | Sashi | hmm nsadmin? |
| 09:17.36 | arvind_khadri | hark, cause someone here pointed me to use it for the flash stuff...that wiki page asked me to pin ... but that was a example pinning |
| 09:17.45 | nsadmin | Sashi: if you had a downloader that could feed you information about whether it's done... |
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| 09:18.10 | nsadmin | then you could write a script that waits till it;s done then moves the file |
| 09:18.30 | hark | arvind_khadri: paste your apt-cache policy output |
| 09:18.38 | Sashi | but how would i know which folder that user selected to upload to? |
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| 09:19.14 | nsadmin | good question. how do you want to keep that information? |
| 09:19.16 | arvind_khadri | hark, http://paste.debian.net/27853/ |
| 09:19.27 | arvind_khadri | hark, i removed the preferences file |
| 09:20.28 | hark | arvind_khadri: just the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 09:21.46 | nsadmin | Sashi: there are as many choices for that as you can think of |
| 09:22.21 | Sashi | hmm |
| 09:22.23 | arvind_khadri | hark, http://paste.debian.net/27855/ |
| 09:23.21 | hark | arvind_khadri: you can use "aptitude -t etch-backports install foo" to install foo package. you don't need to set preferences |
| 09:23.22 | nsadmin | one possible choice: the script assumes the directory it's cd-ed into is the dir |
| 09:23.34 | hark | arvind_khadri: here foo is ntfs-3g |
| 09:23.51 | nsadmin | another: the script takes as one of its command line parameters the dir to put the files in |
| 09:23.56 | arvind_khadri | hark, ok... thanks.. |
| 09:24.28 | hark | arvind_khadri: backports has a low priority by default |
| 09:24.51 | nsadmin | if you go for the first choice, then you will need to ask the system for the pwd |
| 09:24.56 | hark | arvind_khadri: if you want to pin, read man apt_preferences or /msg dpkg pinning |
| 09:25.14 | nsadmin | if the second, then you will have to arrange for the script to take the parameter and make its value available inside the script |
| 09:25.15 | arvind_khadri | hark, ok :) thanks a lot |
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| 09:26.04 | hark | np |
| 09:26.09 | vinc | hello, a question that might be a little OT: Is familiar + opie the only choice to run linux on a PDA? I have seen those projects are a bit out of date |
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| 09:27.25 | linlin | i have an existing software raid0 array of 2 drives, and i am looking to add 3 more drives to this array. can that be done without rebuilding the entire array? |
| 09:27.25 | arvind_khadri | hark, how do i use sudo as in ubuntu it used to be sudo mount /dev/foo /bar |
| 09:27.49 | hark | arvind_khadri: /msg dpkg sudoers ; /msg dpkg visudo |
| 09:27.58 | arvind_khadri | hark, ok |
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| 09:30.57 | arvind_khadri | hark, when am trying to change /etc/sudoers it says that its read-only |
| 09:31.34 | hark | arvind_khadri: do it as root, and use visudo |
| 09:32.13 | arvind_khadri | hark, i become root by using ´su´ right? |
| 09:32.53 | hark | yes |
| 09:33.10 | Supaplex | arvind_khadri: be sure to use visudo |
| 09:33.46 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, i should first become root, then do visudo vim /etc/sudoers ? |
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| 09:34.36 | Supaplex | arvind_khadri: s/visudo.*/EDITOR=vim visudo/ |
| 09:35.57 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, what does that mean... am sorry this is the first time am using Debian |
| 09:36.39 | Supaplex | arvind_khadri: just become root, then run EDITOR=vim visudo don't use vim on sudoers directly. |
| 09:37.06 | Supaplex | visudo runs $EDITOR and does sanity checks before installing the candidate sudoers |
| 09:37.29 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, thanks,... |
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| 09:39.07 | arvind_khadri | hark, ok i installed ntfs-3g but now when i mount the drive it says that i dont have permissions to view the contents of it... i mounted it to /mnt |
| 09:39.31 | Supaplex | mount /drive /mnt -o uid=you |
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| 09:41.14 | shad0w | or try users |
| 09:41.24 | shad0w | in /etc/fstab |
| 09:41.44 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, http://paste.debian.net/27856/ |
| 09:42.06 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, if i do what you said am unable to mount it at all |
| 09:42.18 | shad0w | you=your uid number |
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| 09:42.22 | shad0w | i think its 1000 |
| 09:42.29 | Supaplex | id will tell |
| 09:43.05 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, sorry for that ... |
| 09:43.31 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, can i make the mounting permament? |
| 09:43.43 | Supaplex | yes, put it in fstab |
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| 09:44.03 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, ok thanks... |
| 09:44.37 | Supaplex | good night, and good luck :) |
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| 09:45.05 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, thanks a lot... a real lot for the patience |
| 09:45.29 | Supaplex | np. cheers |
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| 09:46.27 | gnutham | How big is the Debian Lenny DVD set for a *single* architecture expected to be ? |
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| 09:46.44 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, a problem... after editing the fstab should i reboot? as i did sudo mount -a the same problem of uid happened |
| 09:47.02 | gnutham | I want to know if it can fit in a single DVD-DL |
| 09:47.49 | Supaplex | arvind_khadri: man fstab, see the users option. |
| 09:48.03 | Trewas | gnutham: only five dvds, but than includes sources |
| 09:48.10 | Supaplex | gnutham: most likely no, it's 3 dvds afair. and you really only need network access and netinst |
| 09:48.39 | gnutham | 4 DVDs as in what ? |
| 09:48.47 | gnutham | DVD5 ? |
| 09:48.51 | gnutham | or DVD9 ? |
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| 09:49.08 | Trewas | dvd5 |
| 09:49.21 | gnutham | 5 or 4 ? |
| 09:49.56 | gnutham | how many discs will it use ? |
| 09:50.32 | Supaplex | holds his tounge . . . |
| 09:50.51 | Trewas | the weekly build is 5 dvds, but really you'll need only the first to install (or even only the netinst cd) |
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| 09:51.20 | Supaplex | okay. what platform? |
| 09:51.28 | gnutham | i686 |
| 09:51.39 | gnutham | or is it 486 for debian ??? |
| 09:52.01 | Supaplex | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 09:52.17 | Supaplex | it's still called i386 but it's 486 at a minimum |
| 09:52.24 | gnutham | lolz |
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| 09:52.45 | gnutham | And I am asking for the whole set because its supposed to be mass distributed. |
| 09:52.47 | Supaplex | it was to keep upgrades seamless for those already on older releases |
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| 09:53.04 | Supaplex | you're also asking us to do simple math |
| 09:53.27 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, i rebooted...it doesnt help...in the man page there are no options |
| 09:53.56 | Supaplex | !reboot |
| 09:53.56 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 09:54.07 | Supaplex | arvind_khadri: it's actually the 'user' option. |
| 09:54.42 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, in the file i dont see any such entry and in the man page too |
| 09:54.46 | Supaplex | something like /dev/mydisk /media/whydoesntfssuxor ntfs-3g user,uid=1000,defaults 0 0 |
| 09:55.08 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.11 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.12 | Supaplex | right... |
| 09:55.14 | gnutham | And is Adept going to make it to lenny ? |
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| 09:55.29 | Supaplex | gnutham: check packages.debian.org |
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| 09:56.15 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, ok got it... i just copied the options of other drives |
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| 09:57.22 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, in the place of user should i putting my name ? |
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| 09:57.38 | Supaplex | no, user is literal |
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| 09:58.13 | Supaplex | arvind_khadri: run 'id -u' on the command line/terminal (no quotes). what does it print? |
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| 09:58.24 | debian_noob | Hi |
| 09:58.34 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, 1000 |
| 09:58.47 | Supaplex | arvind_khadri: then use uid=1000 like I suggested |
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| 09:59.04 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, user,uid=1000,defaults? |
| 09:59.07 | debian_noob | How can I pair my bluetooth enabled phone with my computer? |
| 09:59.13 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, thats correct? |
| 09:59.31 | Supaplex | arvind_khadri: and rw option possibly |
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| 09:59.55 | Supaplex | debian_noob: no idea, but /msg dpkg search can help you find software for it. |
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| 10:00.57 | debian_noob | supaplex:I did install lots of software |
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| 10:01.59 | Supaplex | good for you. "don't know" is my only answer. Maybe there is documenation. see /usr/share/doc/<package> or dpkg -L <package> | grep man/ for resources. |
| 10:03.24 | debian_noob | supaplex:But i want to pair my mobile |
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| 10:04.34 | Nightchill | hi, i'm new, i'd like to know how do i edit my host cause in the installation i put .org instead of just org and now my host shows my..host instead of my.host |
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| 10:05.45 | arvind_khadri | Supaplex, i can write into the ntfs one but not into the vfat one |
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| 10:06.09 | sezoom | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.07 | sezoom | -h |
| 10:07.37 | cahoot | arvind_khadri: try the info in /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 10:07.45 | linlin | how to install onboard ATI drivers for gnome ? |
| 10:07.58 | Nightchill | sezoom: ty.btw can i remove sudo? |
| 10:08.00 | Supaplex | !tell linlin about ati |
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| 10:08.36 | debian_noob | How can I pair my phone with my computer using bluetooth? |
| 10:08.47 | sezoom | in this way you cant save the change unless you are root |
| 10:09.15 | cahoot | debian_noob: you use gnome? |
| 10:09.31 | debian_noob | cahoot:Yes |
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| 10:10.04 | Supaplex | !tell debian_noob -about repeat |
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| 10:10.41 | Nightchill | sezoom: ty. btw i opened /etc/hosts but there is just the myhost without the extension .com or .org |
| 10:10.56 | Nightchill | where can i edit .com or .org or whatever? |
| 10:11.06 | sezoom | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.20 | arvind_khadri | cahoot, doesnt help |
| 10:11.23 | debian_noob | cahoot:I installed gnome-bluetooth |
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| 10:11.39 | Supaplex | Nightchill: check /etc/hosts /etc/hostname /etc/mailname /etc/resolv.conf just to be sure they're all sane. (ignore empty files) |
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| 10:11.43 | Nightchill | sezoom: yes i did, but there is just the first part |
| 10:11.55 | Nightchill | Supaplex: ok i will check, tys |
| 10:13.02 | Nightchill | Supaplex: ty a lot,i've fixed it |
| 10:14.07 | debian_noob | cahoot:But how to pair my phone using that? |
| 10:14.13 | debian_noob | ! |
| 10:14.29 | cahoot | debian_noob: what if you click on the B in the panel and go from there? |
| 10:15.01 | Nightchill | btw how can I set up my own server with my own domain on debian lenny? i have selected the options on setup to install web server, dns server, mail server & one more thing which i forgot |
| 10:15.17 | Nightchill | but i don't notice dns is in use |
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| 10:16.29 | debian_noob | cahoot:There is a Devices button.When i click on it,it scans for a device and finds my phone.When i click on the icon of my phone, details and send vcard are there |
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| 10:23.18 | cahoot | debian_noob: and does the phone 'see' the computer? |
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| 10:23.46 | debian_noob | cahoot:yes , in device history |
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| 10:24.32 | danielito | anyone had problems in upgrading the firmware of his seagate drive? |
| 10:24.50 | ^shark_ | its weired i do not see anything being logged into syslog |
| 10:25.14 | nsadmin | danielito: let me take a wild guess... |
| 10:25.15 | nsadmin | you do? |
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| 10:27.47 | sjokkis | hi. i've googled this for the past hour, but i can't find an explanation on how to add fonts to defoma (except one requiring gnome). can anyone explain it to me? |
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| 10:29.58 | Supaplex | danielito: you must have the lovely 1.5tb firmware issue one eh? |
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| 10:30.45 | jintxo | sjokkis, if what you ant is to simply add ttf fonts to your system, you can copy them to a folder /usr/share/fonts/truetype/yourfoldernamehere and then run fc-cache -fv |
| 10:30.49 | linlin | i have an existing software raid0 array of 2 drives, and i am looking to add 3 more drives to this array. can that be done without rebuilding the entire array? |
| 10:30.55 | sjokkis | will that register them with defoma, jintxo? |
| 10:31.15 | sjokkis | when do i want/need to register them with defoma? |
| 10:31.16 | jintxo | sjokkis, I'm not sure |
| 10:32.04 | Sashi | how to make a dir with the & symbol? |
| 10:32.13 | Sashi | mkdir folder\ &\ folder |
| 10:32.16 | Supaplex | mkdir "&" |
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| 10:32.47 | Sashi | ah |
| 10:32.47 | Sashi | thx |
| 10:32.51 | nsadmin | HttpError://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/bibliog/latex/debian/defoma.html |
| 10:33.11 | nsadmin | wait, that can't be righht |
| 10:33.25 | nsadmin | HttpError://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/bibliog/latex/debian/defoma.html |
| 10:33.30 | Supaplex | nsadmin: a url that always creates an error? |
| 10:33.49 | nsadmin | ohh. I get it... there's someone here with the nick "HttpError" |
| 10:34.11 | suzu | hi |
| 10:34.37 | lumis | morning |
| 10:35.26 | nsadmin | mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/bibliog/latex/debian/defoma.html |
| 10:35.32 | nsadmin | that should do it |
| 10:36.08 | nsadmin | those are the defoma docs |
| 10:36.30 | nsadmin | that's after googeling for like 2 seconds :0 |
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| 10:37.11 | HttpError | :D |
| 10:37.16 | HttpError | nsadmin |
| 10:37.16 | HttpError | :P |
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| 10:39.09 | Supaplex | !lart nsadmin's overzealous nick completion |
| 10:39.10 | dpkg | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up nsadmin's overzealous nick completion |
| 10:39.32 | HttpError | lol |
| 10:39.49 | lumis | heheh |
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| 10:40.26 | nsadmin | HttpError: my irc client sucks :P |
| 10:40.35 | danielito | nsadmin: well yes. I have |
| 10:40.53 | nsadmin | HE SPEECKS! |
| 10:41.00 | danielito | I upgraded like seagate suggested me to do and now my drive is not accessible any more |
| 10:41.44 | maligor | seagate brick of death, huh? |
| 10:41.45 | nsadmin | danielito: hmm... someone else thought he knew something more specific |
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| 10:42.10 | maligor | I think I saw about that somewhere |
| 10:42.11 | nsadmin | any brick is a brick of death if you throw it hard enough! |
| 10:42.27 | HttpError | Hmm. |
| 10:42.36 | HttpError | Nokia+debian=??? |
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| 10:42.58 | maligor | danielito, http://storagesecrets.org/2009/01/alert-seagate-barracuda-diamondmax-drives-dying-emergency-actions-required/ |
| 10:43.01 | Nightchill | why doesn't the flash plugin that came installed with lenny work? |
| 10:43.10 | Nightchill | (and how do I fix that?) |
| 10:43.24 | Supaplex | danielito: I have avoided them for such a reason. |
| 10:43.56 | danielito | Supaplex: and what did they respond? |
| 10:44.02 | Nightchill | i mean, it works but not for youtube vids |
| 10:44.11 | Supaplex | danielito: read what I said again |
| 10:44.19 | danielito | *scrolling up* |
| 10:44.31 | Supaplex | eg, I refuse to buy |
| 10:44.45 | danielito | Supaplex: well no. I use a 1TB drive, the ST3100333 or s.th. |
| 10:45.35 | nsadmin | a flash plugin came installed with lenny?? |
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| 10:45.48 | linlin | i have an existing software raid0 array of 2 drives, and i am looking to add 3 more drives to this array. can that be done without rebuilding the entire array? |
| 10:46.19 | Supaplex | danielito: I have the Hitachi Deathstar HDS721010KLA330 :) |
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| 10:46.38 | Nightchill | Supaplex: i try to install amarok via apt-get and it asks me to put in lenny cdrom... wtf ? |
| 10:46.43 | eNaz | anyone know when i join channels such as #åäö it gives me some strange channel like if the åäö don't work? åäö works when i type it in channels but not when i join channels with åäö in it. |
| 10:46.54 | danielito | Supaplex: and, you did a firmware upgrade? |
| 10:47.25 | Supaplex | nay! |
| 10:47.38 | Supaplex | !tell Nightchill -about sources.list |
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| 10:48.27 | Supaplex | danielito: I was researching buying some new drives for a multi TB RAID box. Can I say Euuu at all the firmware problems I see on the net? </eof> |
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| 10:49.55 | linlin | i have an existing software raid0 array of 2 drives, and i am looking to add 3 more drives to this array. can that be done without rebuilding the entire array? |
| 10:50.10 | danielito | Supaplex: yeah. I don't really get that. obviously they published broken firmware upgrades |
| 10:50.29 | Nightchill | anyone knows why youtube vids don't play in firefox? |
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| 10:50.58 | AcTiVaTe | Nightchill: Coz you got wrong plugin? |
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| 10:51.14 | Nightchill | AcTiVaTe: i have no clue, i've not installed any, it came with lenny instalation |
| 10:51.14 | Supaplex | because RMS likes it that way. |
| 10:51.35 | AcTiVaTe | Nightchill: about:plugins |
| 10:52.10 | Nightchill | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.11 | Nightchill | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.52 | AcTiVaTe | Nightchill: And adobe.com looks ok? |
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| 10:53.30 | Nightchill | AcTiVaTe: perfectly^^ |
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| 10:53.41 | Nightchill | it's just youtube vids |
| 10:53.56 | AcTiVaTe | Any other vid site is no prob? |
| 10:54.28 | tuxcrafter | is there a debianfosdem channel? |
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| 10:54.34 | Nightchill | vid sites are a problem unfortunately |
| 10:54.52 | Nightchill | i mean, they're a problem only when vid playback is required |
| 10:54.57 | Nightchill | other flash content works there |
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| 10:55.27 | AcTiVaTe | Hmz |
| 10:55.28 | niere | hi |
| 10:55.29 | Nightchill | AcTiVaTe: i take that back, dailymotion now works too |
| 10:55.30 | AcTiVaTe | I have this too |
| 10:55.33 | Nightchill | so only youtube problem |
| 10:55.43 | AcTiVaTe | video/flv Flash video flv Yes in VLC plugin |
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| 10:56.19 | Nightchill | hmmm |
| 10:56.23 | Nightchill | ok now i have no sound |
| 10:56.33 | Nightchill | i removed the flash plugin, installed again |
| 10:56.38 | Nightchill | i removed the flash plugin, installed again |
| 10:56.44 | Nightchill | but no sound in youtube =/** |
| 10:56.51 | sjokkis | jintxo: how do i use the fonts i've added this way? |
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| 10:58.43 | jintxo | sjokkis, you mean in an application? they should just show in the regular font list of whatever software you're using (openoffice or whatnot) |
| 10:59.01 | sjokkis | i mean in my terminal, actually |
| 10:59.10 | sjokkis | how do i know what name to use in xresources? |
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| 11:00.10 | tarzeau | sjokkis: maybe xwininfo can help? |
| 11:00.17 | jintxo | maybe use xfontview or something like that to create a proper "font name" (or whatever you call that long string that defines a font to use) that references the installed fonts |
| 11:00.19 | ^shark_ | its just come to my attention in y etch syslogd was installed and for some reason it was not logging to syslog neither was klogd doing the same |
| 11:00.21 | tarzeau | sjokkis: or the manual page? the source code? |
| 11:00.32 | Nightchill | can someone tell me why lxde desktop is locked to grid? |
| 11:00.45 | ^shark_ | so i installed syslog-ng and now its logging to syslog |
| 11:00.46 | Nightchill | and can I unlock it so I can place icons where I want to? |
| 11:01.06 | tarzeau | Nightchill: maybe it doesn't support that? |
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| 11:01.26 | Nightchill | tarzeau: don't know, i'm asking if i can or can not^^ |
| 11:01.32 | sjokkis | jintxo: i guess it would be easier if defoma wasn't broken |
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| 11:01.43 | tarzeau | Nightchill: doesn't lxde have a manual? webpage? or own irc channel? |
| 11:01.51 | sjokkis | (defoma-hints depends on a package that no longer exists) |
| 11:01.58 | Nightchill | tarzeau: point taken. |
| 11:02.00 | tarzeau | sjokkis: which terminal? |
| 11:02.08 | sjokkis | urxvt |
| 11:02.13 | tarzeau | some fonts are vector based, and some terminals can't use those fonts |
| 11:02.21 | tarzeau | but Terminal.app (gnustep/wmaker) can |
| 11:02.23 | sjokkis | the fonts are fine |
| 11:02.35 | tarzeau | so they're listed by xlsfonts? |
| 11:02.39 | sjokkis | no |
| 11:02.48 | tarzeau | then how can you know the fonts are fine? |
| 11:03.00 | sjokkis | because a lot of people use them, and they're made for terminal use |
| 11:03.04 | tarzeau | do you know the fonts by full file name? what does file /your/font.fnt say? |
| 11:03.21 | tarzeau | maybe they use a bitmapped version of it that you don't have? |
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| 11:03.50 | sjokkis | are you saying i should use the bitmap version rather than the truetype version? |
| 11:03.56 | Trewas | sjokkis: defoma is kind of irrelevant nowadays, most programs use truetype fonts with fontconfig |
| 11:04.07 | sjokkis | Trewas: oh, ok |
| 11:04.11 | tarzeau | for urxvt/xterm, yes because afaik they can't use vector fonts |
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| 11:04.42 | tarzeau | Trewas: but the most popular program doesn't, xterm |
| 11:04.50 | sjokkis | xterm is crap |
| 11:04.59 | tarzeau | i agree, that's why i use Terminal.app :) |
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| 11:05.14 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 11:05.55 | mcgreg | since a few days/or even weeks I am getting strange errors from apt-get -> The HTTP server sent an invalid Content-Range header [IP: 131.188.12.212 80] now, is this a server-sided problem or a local problem? |
| 11:05.56 | Trewas | tarzeau: it does, but I guess the default is some old-style bitmap font |
| 11:06.23 | tarzeau | mcgreg: do you use an http proxy? |
| 11:06.27 | tarzeau | mcgreg: tried another mirror? |
| 11:06.27 | mcgreg | no |
| 11:06.33 | mcgreg | both no |
| 11:06.37 | sjokkis | Trewas: the fonts were added when i ran fc-cache -fv. do you know how i'd use them in xresources? |
| 11:07.09 | Trewas | sjokkis: that's probably one of the places which does not support fontconfig and cannot use truetype fonts :) |
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| 11:07.17 | sjokkis | oh |
| 11:07.41 | sjokkis | so to use the font in my terminal i need the bitmap or the pcf version? |
| 11:08.22 | mcgreg | tarzeau: you know here I can find a list of mirrors? |
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| 11:09.27 | Nightchill | mcgreg: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:09.34 | Trewas | sjokkis: the terminal program must support truetype fonts, xterm does with -fa flag and of course more modern terminals (gnome-terminal, whatever kde uses, ...) use them by default |
| 11:09.59 | mcgreg | Nightchill: I know this is the file to edit ... I meant a internet page with a list of mirrors - for me german mirrors :) |
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| 11:10.31 | Nightchill | oh ... :) |
| 11:10.49 | Nightchill | try checking debian cd for mirror list :D |
| 11:11.00 | Nightchill | you probably have 1 |
| 11:11.17 | mcgreg | yeah |
| 11:11.17 | tarzeau | Trewas: ah cool, gotta try the -fa thing |
| 11:11.24 | mcgreg | the one I have since 5 years ;) |
| 11:11.25 | tarzeau | Trewas: gnome-terminal is horribly slow... |
| 11:11.45 | Nightchill | :D |
| 11:12.20 | Trewas | tarzeau: at least faster than xterm :) |
| 11:12.24 | jintxo | mcgreg, usually, for debian mirrors I just do "ftp.<country_code>.debian.org, so in my case ftp.es.debian.org |
| 11:12.34 | tarzeau | Trewas: xterm isn't faster? |
| 11:13.10 | Trewas | tarzeau: at least when xterm is using truetype fonts |
| 11:13.45 | JyZyXEL | so i hear Lenny is gonna be ready soon |
| 11:13.56 | tarzeau | Trewas: gnome-terminal with remote x and transparency is unbearable slow |
| 11:13.58 | Trewas | time cat /some/long/textfile <- easy way to test terminal speed, gnome-terminal is not actually slow compared to others |
| 11:14.03 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: next week |
| 11:14.16 | JyZyXEL | tarzeau at 1234567890? ;) |
| 11:14.34 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: haha date +%s |
| 11:14.41 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: if that's next week, yeah :) |
| 11:14.41 | Trewas | tarzeau: transparency means that it must send bitmaps back and forth, no surprise it is slow |
| 11:14.49 | JyZyXEL | tarzeau indeed :p |
| 11:15.02 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: interesting, do you know if they know that? |
| 11:15.21 | JyZyXEL | probably ;) |
| 11:15.43 | tarzeau | Trewas: i don't care. i want to see my background photos that i make myself: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/panorama/slides/matterhorn.html |
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| 11:16.37 | Trewas | tarzeau: cool pictures :) |
| 11:17.01 | funzl | hi all! i recently compiled wlan-support into my kernel, but the system hangs on bootup with this message: "requesting firmware: ipw[...].fw \n Switched to NOHz mode on CPU#0"... Any ideas? |
| 11:18.06 | mcgreg | jintxo: ok |
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| 11:20.13 | myeggo | hello, i have a ntfs usb disk that is auto mounted in read only |
| 11:20.16 | myeggo | owner is root |
| 11:20.20 | myeggo | how can i change that? |
| 11:20.43 | mcgreg | tarzeau: ok, with a different mirror the problems has gone. thx you |
| 11:20.48 | enouf | funzl: Switched to NOHz mode on CPU#0" is just dynamic tick / CONFIG_NOHZ=y in kernel config |
| 11:21.41 | enouf | er CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
| 11:22.00 | avtobiff | myeggo, change the ownership of the directory where it is mounted to the user you want iirc |
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| 11:23.00 | avtobiff | myeggo, or set uid, gid and umask in fstab. check man mount |
| 11:23.02 | funzl | enouf: ok thanks, but how to solve the problem with the wlan-firmware? do i have to put the *.fw files somewhere special / install to make the wlan work properly? |
| 11:23.27 | avtobiff | funzl, maybe you can install the wlan-firmware from non-free? |
| 11:23.30 | enouf | funzl: firmware files belong in /lib/firmware |
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| 11:23.37 | zomak | Good morning. I have problems with Matrox G550 and X. With vesa driver i get the picture to X, but with mga550 i get only black screen (computer does not hang up, can get back to console with ctrl+alt+f1). Any ideas ? Im using Debian sid (no difference with debian lenny) |
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| 11:24.16 | enouf | funzl: but there's been recent updates and new items added to the wiki.debian.org concerning MANY wifi / wireless things |
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| 11:25.30 | funzl | all right, tnx for the info! ;) |
| 11:26.45 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.57 | Nightchill | hey, grub doesn't have my windows boot in it. any clues on how can i get my win xp boot in grub ? |
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| 11:28.34 | enouf | use the example in menu.lst as a guide - man grub |
| 11:28.49 | negge | help me out here guys. I have a script that I want to run directly after X has started. Could anyone explain to me how to do that (where to place the file etc.)? |
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| 11:28.56 | enouf | chainload +1 and rootnoverify (likely) |
| 11:29.32 | enouf | !xsession |
| 11:29.32 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 11:30.21 | enouf | after X has started? or your DE has negge ? |
| 11:31.15 | negge | enouf: right after X has started. I have this small script that quickly disables and then re-enables overscan on my TV, somehow I have to do that to get it to display properly. I want to run it as soon as possible but it has to be after X has started |
| 11:31.46 | enouf | negge: checkout /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc IIRC |
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| 11:32.33 | negge | enouf: should I run the script from there? |
| 11:32.53 | negge | it's got one line that says "exec /usr/bin/X11/X -nolisten tcp" |
| 11:32.56 | enouf | negge: but a ~/.xsession file should suffice if using a DM, or ~/.xinitrc if no DM |
| 11:33.09 | enouf | there;s X firing up |
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| 11:33.42 | myeggo | avtobiff: with chgrp and chown to the target directory where were mounted was enough, thank you |
| 11:33.55 | negge | enouf: So I can create a .xsession file in my home directory and run the script from there? |
| 11:34.00 | enouf | (other than the init.d/ scripts ofcourse) which i guess i could view now ;0 |
| 11:34.08 | enouf | negge: sure |
| 11:34.14 | negge | enouf: okay, I guess I'll try that first |
| 11:34.23 | enouf | negge: chmod +x it |
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| 11:34.32 | negge | yes of course |
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| 11:35.23 | enouf | negge: if you rgrep through all of /etc/X11/ you'll see how a ~/.xsession file is looked for and sourced, if found |
| 11:35.32 | negge | okay |
| 11:36.33 | negge | enouf: there's a file in /etc/X11/ called Xsession but it looks kinda complicated |
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| 11:36.46 | negge | what exactly do I have to put in my ~/.xsession file to make it work? |
| 11:37.55 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.06 | enouf | negge: you said you have a script |
| 11:38.45 | enouf | #!/bin/sh\n exec command |
| 11:38.59 | negge | that's what I thought too |
| 11:39.01 | negge | I'll try it out |
| 11:40.24 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.42 | enouf | ~$ rgrep -i USERXSESSION /etc/X11 |
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| 11:43.49 | negge | enouf: I now have an .xsession file in my home directory, which when executes does exactly what it should, but nothing happens when I restart X and log on. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 11:45.17 | enouf | negge: using a DE? try an ~/.xinitrc file |
| 11:45.26 | enouf | er DM, i meant |
| 11:45.35 | negge | enouf: DM? |
| 11:45.39 | Nightchill | what's the command to show my partitions on lenny? |
| 11:45.40 | enouf | !dm |
| 11:45.40 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 11:45.44 | negge | aah |
| 11:45.44 | Nightchill | i've noticed fdisk don't work |
| 11:45.48 | negge | yes I'm using GDM |
| 11:45.51 | enouf | Nightchill: fdisk -l |
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| 11:45.57 | negge | enouf: so I just rename the file to .xinitrc ? |
| 11:46.05 | Nightchill | enouf: nope, not working |
| 11:46.09 | enouf | negge: then gdmsetup is not doing so well :-P |
| 11:46.15 | negge | Nightchill: you need root priviligies |
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| 11:46.33 | negge | enouf: I'm not following now... |
| 11:46.44 | Nightchill | ah, that was the problem |
| 11:46.44 | Nightchill | ty |
| 11:47.22 | Nightchill | so uhm, on hda5 is my windows partition, so what'd that make for root in grub? (hda0,y)? |
| 11:47.26 | enouf | negge: i don't know - look into how gdm handles logon and ignores a lot of the /etc/X11 files perhaps - maybe see /usr/share/gdm/ |
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| 11:48.02 | enouf | Nightchill: (hd0,4) |
| 11:48.18 | Nightchill | thanks |
| 11:48.42 | enouf | Nightchill: see http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
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| 11:49.21 | negge | enouf: thanks, I got it working by using going to System -> Prefs -> Sessions and adding the script there. It runs a little but late but it's no big deal. Thanks for your help though |
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| 11:49.49 | enouf | negge: ahh .. gnome-session option? |
| 11:50.06 | negge | I'm not exactly sure what it's called |
| 11:50.09 | enouf | negge: nobody knew you were using gnome - you never mentioned it, AFAICT |
| 11:51.02 | negge | enouf: sorry about that, guess I took for granted you'd know it somehow |
| 11:51.11 | enouf | heh ... |
| 11:51.29 | enouf | !8ball do i know everything or what?! |
| 11:51.29 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
| 11:51.35 | negge | :D |
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| 11:56.12 | Nightchill | i have another issue, i've lost all sound on my system... |
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| 12:05.22 | Zvpun | during installation i get the waring untrusted versions will be installed. How can I determine the root of the problem (I guess I dont have the key installed, how can i install it?) |
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| 12:07.11 | Nightchill | can someone help me out, i'm using logitech's usb headset and have no sound on lenny |
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| 12:07.48 | Nightchill | i've tried every possible combination in alsamixer and it got me nowhere |
| 12:08.26 | zleap | lsusb |
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| 12:09.13 | Nightchill | zleap: Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:0a0c Logitech, Inc. |
| 12:09.49 | Nightchill | and cat /proc/asound/cards reckognizes my headset |
| 12:11.24 | zleap | ok |
| 12:11.25 | cusco | Nightchill: alsamixer will let you choose your playbac device |
| 12:11.49 | Nightchill | i've did alsamixer -c 1 |
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| 12:13.15 | Nightchill | and i've set up there too, unmuted speaker & mic |
| 12:13.19 | Nightchill | and still no sound^^ |
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| 12:14.18 | cusco | googling returned me this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=32038 |
| 12:15.10 | cusco | Nightchill: apt-get install alsa-firmware-loaders midisport-firmware |
| 12:15.13 | Nightchill | cusco: hmm, ok i'll try it out |
| 12:15.54 | Nightchill | btw how can i set which card / device i want to use? |
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| 12:16.27 | cusco | alsamixer |
| 12:16.31 | Nightchill | cusco: btw, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=32038 |
| 12:16.35 | Nightchill | shit wrong |
| 12:16.42 | Nightchill | E: Couldn't find package alsa-firmware-loaders |
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| 12:17.16 | cusco | !contrib |
| 12:17.17 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
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| 12:18.07 | Zvpun | Is it possible that the "debian archive automatic signing key" (id 6070d3a1) from debian-archive-keyring has expired on 2009-07-01 and taht there is no new version of debian-archive-keyring in testing? |
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| 12:18.40 | O__o | hi guys, how to install debian on a sparcstation 5? |
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| 12:23.47 | temoto | Hello. My web application daemon runs as user appman. What should i write to /etc/security/limits.conf to ensure that web app never eats more than 24MB of memory? |
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| 12:24.13 | temoto | But there may be another 10 processes eating up to 24MB each. |
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| 12:24.38 | HardDisk_WP | what do I have to do that screen -dr gets automatically run at ssh login of $user? |
| 12:25.05 | temoto | HardDisk_WP: place the command into his ~/.profile |
| 12:25.22 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 12:25.32 | HardDisk_WP | hmm. the limits.conf looks interesting. |
| 12:25.59 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make that all apache processes, threads or whatever can't consume more than 160MB of total RAM? |
| 12:26.18 | HardDisk_WP | so that I always have 96MB of RAM left? |
| 12:26.27 | bolt | HardDisk_WP: what's it supposed to do when it reaches 160MB? |
| 12:26.36 | bolt | HardDisk_WP: get killed? |
| 12:27.12 | HardDisk_WP | it should not accept new connections |
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| 12:27.23 | lumis | is wondering whether or not to switch from Ubuntu 8.04 to Debian Lenny |
| 12:27.24 | HardDisk_WP | I suffered a DDoS from Googlebot the last days |
| 12:27.30 | lumis | I think it's stealing my soul somehow |
| 12:27.32 | HardDisk_WP | it spidered my WebSVN |
| 12:27.41 | lumis | ;) |
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| 12:28.03 | HardDisk_WP | lumis, you even can switch seamlessly... though this is not recommended^^ |
| 12:28.19 | lumis | HardDisk_WP: yea, Not even gonna try |
| 12:28.27 | HardDisk_WP | friend of mine replaced the sources.list and did some weird stuff with dpkg, and then he got a debian^^ |
| 12:28.29 | bolt | HardDisk_WP: that would block out legitimate users though, when google was up to their usual shady activities |
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| 12:28.47 | lumis | HardDisk_WP: The system's on a seperate partition, so wouldn't be hard to reinstall |
| 12:28.57 | temoto | bolt: i had the same question about limits. What if it's fine to kill bad process? |
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| 12:29.16 | HardDisk_WP | bolt, even legit users did sometimes ddos the thing, also by visiting the websvn... i somehow have to prevent this without disabling it |
| 12:29.20 | lumis | HardDisk_WP: using Debian 4 on 3/4 comptars; just wanted to try Ubuntu ;) |
| 12:29.29 | HardDisk_WP | ah ok |
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| 12:30.54 | bolt | then it's limits.conf, yes |
| 12:31.02 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
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| 12:31.18 | HardDisk_WP | what do I have to put in it, assuming apache runs as www-data? |
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| 12:31.53 | HardDisk_WP | I am confused a bit WHAT is RAM usage now, RSS, memlock, data or what? |
| 12:32.01 | temoto | me too |
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| 12:35.11 | cusco | HardDisk_WP: you can just use a robots.txt - google will respect it |
| 12:35.50 | HardDisk_WP | cusco, done that, but unfortunately, real users also don't care about it^^ |
| 12:35.55 | HardDisk_WP | s/also/ |
| 12:36.19 | cusco | ofcourse not it is just a text file they don't even know its there |
| 12:36.49 | HardDisk_WP | ... which requires me to set RAM limits |
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| 12:38.27 | temoto | HardDisk_WP: ... and switch from SVN. |
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| 12:38.44 | HardDisk_WP | temoto, to what? GIT?^^ |
| 12:38.56 | temoto | Actually it doesn't quite matter. |
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| 12:39.16 | Nightchill | ok i have a problem, my logitech usb headset got removed somehow from sound cards |
| 12:39.20 | temoto | git is only fastest, others do well too. |
| 12:39.20 | Nightchill | and now i can't even access it |
| 12:39.23 | Nightchill | so what to do? |
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| 12:40.00 | HardDisk_WP | g2g |
| 12:41.00 | temoto | bolt, cusco, could you tell which limits `item` should be set for user to deny his processes eat more than X real hardware memory? |
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| 12:46.05 | cusco | dunno |
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| 12:49.15 | EugenMayer | are there any problems known with munin and exim? it seems like my mailqueue is not calculated correctly |
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| 12:54.22 | empiric | hi all guys i want to have penetraion test for my website |
| 12:54.34 | empiric | what should i do any softwares? |
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| 12:56.40 | kombi | empiric: try nessus |
| 12:56.51 | empiric | its open source |
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| 12:57.32 | zmitya | hi all |
| 12:57.42 | empiric | kombi any guie or howto |
| 12:57.53 | kombi | comes with it |
| 12:57.56 | empiric | what i sould care of while penetration testing |
| 12:57.57 | zmitya | guys, can I mount an NFD exported volume to multiple hosts for rw ? |
| 12:58.03 | zmitya | *NFS |
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| 12:58.22 | empiric | like |
| 12:58.24 | empiric | Perform risk analysis for further study of website |
| 12:58.24 | empiric | vulnerabilities, threats, likelihood, loss or impact, and theoretical |
| 12:58.24 | empiric | effectiveness of security measures (Query Strings, Form Fields, HTTP |
| 12:58.24 | empiric | Headers) |
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| 12:58.35 | sepski | zmitya, sure they can obviously not write the same file at the same time tho. |
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| 12:58.41 | empiric | sorry guys |
| 12:59.15 | EugenMayer | empiric: sorry but what you want to do is a research field |
| 12:59.25 | zmitya | sepski: ok, that is solved by app level... |
| 12:59.36 | EugenMayer | you wont get software doing this all. This is an good paid work out there in the market. |
| 12:59.44 | kombi | what is udev anyway? |
| 12:59.51 | empiric | see 1 i want to have a penetration test for my website |
| 12:59.53 | zmitya | one app writes it, the other reads it and writes a different one |
| 13:00.02 | empiric | what stpes i have to follow |
| 13:00.09 | cusco | empiric: use nikto |
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| 13:00.18 | zmitya | so it shoult work isn't it ? |
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| 13:00.36 | sepski | zmitya, basicaly try it. |
| 13:00.43 | EugenMayer | zmitya: i would use samba |
| 13:00.49 | EugenMayer | i find it much more secure + relyable |
| 13:00.53 | EugenMayer | but its slow. |
| 13:01.08 | bolt | samba more secure... |
| 13:01.10 | zmitya | EugenMayer: yes, but the speed is a key in this project ... |
| 13:01.25 | zmitya | EugenMayer: do you think NFS is not reliable enough ? |
| 13:01.29 | EugenMayer | bolt: actually what kind of security layout do you have on NFS? |
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| 13:01.39 | EugenMayer | bolt: IP ? |
| 13:01.55 | bolt | EugenMayer: oh. didn't realize we were comparing it to nfs |
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| 13:02.19 | EugenMayer | bolt: dotn egt me wrong, i find NFS and samba both weak, but if compared i would choose samba right now |
| 13:02.20 | zmitya | EugenMayer: this would be done within a separated tagged VLAN so these kind of security issues does not matter ... |
| 13:02.25 | bolt | EugenMayer: would you rather have a cup of tea with salt in it or a cup of tea that someone took a dump in? :) |
| 13:02.43 | EugenMayer | bolt: hehe :) |
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| 13:02.50 | EugenMayer | bolt: ok, your on the same side |
| 13:03.02 | zmitya | but the reliability is much more important... |
| 13:03.09 | valdyn | zmitya: nfs should be suited better to share to unix, samba to windows |
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| 13:03.18 | valdyn | zmitya: both oses use very different file locking |
| 13:03.33 | EugenMayer | i did not have NFS-hardcore studies, but i even ran into locking problems and stuff like this here in my office |
| 13:03.34 | valdyn | zmitya: and permissions systems |
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| 13:04.03 | sepski | zmitya, if you need a REAL shared storage, use iscsi or a clusterfs or nbd or buy a real san |
| 13:04.07 | EugenMayer | valdyn: somehow i have only linux clients but tend to samba. |
| 13:04.25 | valdyn | EugenMayer: so you obviously dont need unix permissions on those |
| 13:04.41 | EugenMayer | valdyn: lets say, i cant :) |
| 13:04.49 | zmitya | sepski: yes, SAN would be the best choice, but in this phase on the project we cannot buy it because of its price :( |
| 13:05.06 | EugenMayer | valdyn: but yes, i do not have a totaly fine grained FS based security on that shares. I get your point |
| 13:05.13 | kombi | zmitya: are you setting up a cluster? |
| 13:05.25 | sepski | zmitya, debian can do iscsi |
| 13:05.38 | valdyn | EugenMayer: samba also should have windows ugly locking, i dontk now |
| 13:05.47 | valdyn | EugenMayer: which also might not annoy you to much |
| 13:05.50 | zmitya | kombi: no, we just need a big common storage for a bunch of applications |
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| 13:06.12 | kombi | nfs then i guess |
| 13:06.19 | zmitya | file locking is not a problem, because if one app write a file, the others will read it and vice-versa... |
| 13:06.23 | valdyn | EugenMayer: windows cant delete open files |
| 13:06.32 | empiric | cusco do we have particular scenarios |
| 13:06.36 | EugenMayer | valdyn: What CAN windows |
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| 13:06.57 | EugenMayer | valdyn: while i thought windows primary and best task is deleting. |
| 13:07.02 | sepski | EugenMayer, autorun .exe files on your usb pens when you plug them in :) |
| 13:07.10 | EugenMayer | hehe |
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| 13:07.29 | cusco | empiric: I don't understand what you mean. nikto will audit your webserver for all known scenarios (by nikto) |
| 13:07.33 | EugenMayer | sepski: and thats the only thing? :) |
| 13:07.35 | sepski | litterally the killer app :) |
| 13:07.49 | zmitya | so do you think guys NFS is better from a performance point of view ? |
| 13:07.55 | EugenMayer | sepski: I see! |
| 13:08.00 | valdyn | zmitya: better for what? |
| 13:08.09 | sphenxes | how can I use e2fsck on root directory? i try to unmount i get the message drive is bussy. I loged on as a single user but get the same problem? any suggestions |
| 13:08.24 | EugenMayer | sphenxes: boot from CD / USB stick |
| 13:08.28 | zmitya | valdyn: I mean better if you compare them by speed |
| 13:08.39 | sepski | zmitya, better depends on your point of view. |
| 13:08.43 | EugenMayer | sphenxes: you are not allowed to use the partition you currently want to check. |
| 13:08.48 | valdyn | zmitya: speed is a very very very vague requirement |
| 13:08.56 | sphenxes | EugenMayer, thanks |
| 13:09.00 | EugenMayer | sphenxes: so booting the root partition is a now go |
| 13:09.01 | SQlvpapir | nothing beats good 'ol ftp |
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| 13:09.19 | EugenMayer | use the USB builder sphenxes, it downloads you an ISO and makes your USB stick auto-bootable. Just by one click. |
| 13:09.28 | stoned | good 'ol sftp |
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| 13:09.52 | EugenMayer | FTP is that things for sharing password, or? |
| 13:10.02 | stoned | yes |
| 13:10.08 | EugenMayer | its true fiel SHARING |
| 13:10.11 | stoned | it is used exclusively for sharing passwords. |
| 13:10.11 | jintxo | sphenxes, you can mount it read-only (if you do, do it in single user mode) and then fsck it or have it fsck on boot (something like shutdown -r -F now) |
| 13:10.22 | stoned | ... |
| 13:10.30 | kombi | standard kernel does not find root fs, do I install yaird? |
| 13:10.38 | valdyn | kombi: no |
| 13:10.45 | sepski | EugenMayer, well it's good with it's huge rang of games... |
| 13:10.47 | stoned | specify root= kernel parameter |
| 13:10.54 | kombi | valdyn: what else? |
| 13:10.55 | sepski | s/rang/range/ |
| 13:10.59 | stoned | if you don't have an initrd use initramfstools |
| 13:11.01 | rgr | Have it checked at boot. moutning as read only doesnt sound too clever to do a disk check ... |
| 13:11.07 | stoned | mkinitrd |
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| 13:11.15 | kombi | thanks stoned! |
| 13:11.24 | Ip_Man | hi |
| 13:11.37 | valdyn | kombi: its all set up by default, tell us how your system was changed from the default |
| 13:11.48 | zmitya | so this system is a self deevloped VoIP system. there is a few severs for call recording, these apps writes continously many streams |
| 13:12.05 | zmitya | I would likt to force them to write to an NFS volume... |
| 13:12.16 | kombi | valdyn: If only I could remember, box has run in prod for some three years.. |
| 13:12.23 | zmitya | some other apps reads it (like web apps, mp3 converters etc..) |
| 13:12.53 | valdyn | zmitya: and this whole system is based on windows or unix systems or both? |
| 13:13.06 | zmitya | valdyn: pure debian systems |
| 13:13.08 | Ip_Man | When i try to iwlist ath0 scan, it says "no results", but when i start up from backtrack everything is fine |
| 13:13.15 | valdyn | zmitya: dont use samba then |
| 13:13.16 | Ip_Man | atheros chipset card |
| 13:13.18 | Ip_Man | madwifi |
| 13:13.22 | stoned | kombi, by standard kernel do you mean you built it using debian sources or a prebuilt kernel image from debian via apt-get |
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| 13:13.26 | Ip_Man | (sry 4 me english btw) |
| 13:13.31 | Ip_Man | my* |
| 13:13.52 | kombi | valdyn: version 5.0 not upgraded for years, upgrade now requires udev support of course, standard kernel from the repos does not find md0 |
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| 13:14.08 | kombi | stoned:^^^.. |
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| 13:14.37 | valdyn | kombi: mdadm installed? |
| 13:14.42 | kombi | yep |
| 13:14.46 | valdyn | kombi: did you upgrade the kernel? which is the kernel? |
| 13:14.55 | zmitya | valdyn: ok, I will try NFS than, just needed some notion first :) |
| 13:15.14 | zmitya | thanks guys for your patience |
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| 13:16.16 | kombi | valdyn: now running on 2.6.15 (which seems hand rolled to me) new kernel is linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 13:16.18 | zmitya | one more thing. Can I export an iSCSI volume with linux too ? Would it make sense ? |
| 13:16.58 | valdyn | kombi: whats in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf? |
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| 13:17.47 | kombi | valdyn: ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 etc. |
| 13:17.53 | valdyn | kombi: what else? |
| 13:18.21 | flo_ | Hi! I have problems with the nvidia-driver? I can't find the nvidia-glx-legacy-71xxdriverin my repositories.Can someonehelp me?Thx |
| 13:18.37 | kombi | valdyn: http://pastebin.se/197270 |
| 13:19.08 | valdyn | kombi: does the initrd for that kernel exist? |
| 13:19.27 | kombi | valdyn: how do I check? |
| 13:19.32 | valdyn | kombi: is the package initramfs-tools installed? |
| 13:19.40 | valdyn | kombi: ls /boot/initrd* |
| 13:20.13 | kombi | yes to both.. |
| 13:20.21 | valdyn | kombi: which brand is the disk controller? |
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| 13:20.57 | stoned | valdyn, has a good handle on it |
| 13:20.59 | stoned | I'm going back to bed |
| 13:21.06 | stoned | gnite/morning whatever |
| 13:21.23 | kombi | valdyn: nvidia it seems (from lspci) |
| 13:21.55 | kombi | yep, nvidia.. |
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| 13:22.17 | kombi | stoned: sleep well! |
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| 13:22.35 | valdyn | kombi: paste /etc/default/mdadm on a paste site teoo |
| 13:22.49 | Daemonic | is there a simple way to use a terminal to display any incoming connections? tail -f on a certain log file perhaps? |
| 13:23.07 | Daemonic | lsof? |
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| 13:23.38 | sphenxes | jintxo, thanks |
| 13:23.44 | valdyn | Daemonic: lsof -i |
| 13:23.56 | flo_ | does someone know what happened to the nvidia-legacy-71xx packages in Lenny? |
| 13:24.08 | stoned | get it from sid |
| 13:24.18 | stoned | it hasn't been in lenny in a while |
| 13:24.28 | kombi | valdyn: http://pastebin.se/197271 |
| 13:24.40 | stoned | ok I'm gonna finish this and then go sleep |
| 13:24.51 | Daemonic | valdyn, yes, that seems to work for what I need.. but lets say I wanted a terminal open that shows whenever something is incoming? lsof -i doesn't seem to fit that bill. |
| 13:24.52 | stoned | damn heartburn... milk kicks ass |
| 13:24.52 | flo_ | ok...how do I do that? I am quite new to debian... |
| 13:24.53 | stoned | ! |
| 13:25.04 | stoned | !tell flo_ -about ssb |
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| 13:26.19 | narhen | Ok, I've got a problem: I have three HDD's but debian only seems to find two of them. XP finds all, (the filesystem is NTFS if that significant).In /proc/partitions the third HDD is not listed. So the problem is'nt that all HDD's are'nt mounted. |
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| 13:26.46 | kombi | Daemonic: watch lsof -i |
| 13:26.49 | flo_ | stoned: thx i try |
| 13:26.51 | stoned | narhen, watch the output of fdisk -l |
| 13:26.58 | stoned | narhen, what do you see |
| 13:26.59 | valdyn | kombi: is udev installed or not now? |
| 13:27.27 | kombi | valdyn: udev is installed and complaining about missing kernel support |
| 13:27.33 | stoned | flo_, find it on packages.debian.org and get it |
| 13:27.34 | Daemonic | kombi, thank you sir. |
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| 13:27.49 | valdyn | kombi: do you get into busybox at the boot error? |
| 13:27.53 | spq | hm, i have accidently removed all files which are not open in /dev on lenny(so its udev), its a remote machine - so can i reboot or would that hang at any point or save that the devnodes are missing in any way? |
| 13:28.03 | narhen | stoned: http://pastebin.com/m193d6fa9 |
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| 13:28.21 | kombi | valdyn: what's busybox? (embarrassed..) |
| 13:28.26 | valdyn | kombi: a shell |
| 13:28.43 | stoned | narhen, you've dualbooted with xp, and when you boot into xp, it see 3 physical disks not 2, correct? |
| 13:28.59 | narhen | Yes, correct. |
| 13:29.20 | kombi | valdyn: I'd have to check again, I remember a lot of output and someting along the lines of not finding md0 at the end |
| 13:29.42 | valdyn | kombi: it either hangs there or you get into busybox, from where you could run commands |
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| 13:29.48 | flo_ | stoned: k thx |
| 13:30.06 | kombi | valdyn: hangs there definitely |
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| 13:30.14 | stoned | flo_, you could simply fetch from the sid archives instead of backporting |
| 13:30.24 | narhen | stoned: yes, correct. |
| 13:30.24 | stoned | its not something that requires backporting I think |
| 13:30.29 | valdyn | kombi: you are running a pre etch kernel and are trying to upgrade to lenny from there,thats totally unsupported, thats the problem |
| 13:30.39 | kombi | sigh.. |
| 13:30.39 | stoned | narhen, I'm still thinking |
| 13:30.55 | narhen | ok. sorry. |
| 13:31.08 | kombi | valdyn: I guess I should have altered sources list to stable before upgrade |
| 13:31.13 | valdyn | kombi: its not very hard to fix,but i lack a way to see the specific issue right now |
| 13:31.18 | stoned | no big deal |
| 13:31.20 | valdyn | kombi: yes you should have done that |
| 13:31.20 | Daemonic | is it possible to get more specific with lsof on what's going on? lets say another box on my network pings my machine, how would I go about monitoring such things? |
| 13:31.34 | valdyn | kombi: are you familiar with chroot environments? |
| 13:31.56 | kombi | valdyn: I know what they are, not that I set them up everyday.. |
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| 13:32.04 | bolt | Daemonic: packet sniffer |
| 13:32.09 | bolt | Daemonic: like ethereal |
| 13:32.28 | valdyn | kombi: *I* would grab a livecd with a kernel about 2.6.26, like the one you intend to use atm |
| 13:32.33 | stoned | its etherape now isn't it? |
| 13:32.57 | valdyn | kombi: and set up a chroot matching your debian system, from where you can install anything while running the proper kernel |
| 13:32.58 | kombi | stoned: wireshark I thought |
| 13:33.07 | stoned | wifi |
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| 13:33.37 | valdyn | kombi: your root= kernel option actually IS /dev/md0 ? |
| 13:33.49 | stoned | hm.. I thought wireshark was wireless network hunting thingy |
| 13:33.56 | stoned | like that kismet thingy |
| 13:34.04 | stoned | but I was wrong |
| 13:34.21 | kombi | valdyn: that would be in grub menu.lst right? let me check.. |
| 13:34.31 | stoned | Live data can be read from Ethernet, IEEE 802.11, PPP/HDLC, ATM, Bluetooth, USB, Token Ring, Frame Relay, FDDI, and others (depending on your platfrom) |
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| 13:35.24 | spq | how can i reset a running pc via software? |
| 13:35.24 | Daemonic | bolt, sorry for the newb question...but will ethereal output to a log file? I would really rather have a transparent terminal running on the desktop that shows any incoming or outgoing traffic and connections rather than yet another program I have to manage on an already cluttered desktop. am I making any sense? |
| 13:35.28 | stoned | ok im going back to sleep... someone help narhen he can't see an hd in debian that he can in xp on the same machine |
| 13:35.31 | stoned | *afk* |
| 13:35.48 | valdyn | spq: shutdown -r now |
| 13:36.19 | spq | valdyn, that shots down services |
| 13:36.31 | valdyn | spq: so? |
| 13:36.32 | spq | i want the same effect as pressing the reset button |
| 13:36.35 | bolt | Daemonic: ethereal will log. but mostly for ethereal. do you really want to log all network traffic though? i can definately see the geeky coolness of it all, but once you download a webpage, for instance, the log will be too cluttered to see any problems anyway |
| 13:36.39 | valdyn | spq: thats not possible |
| 13:36.52 | spq | valdyn, i dont believe it... |
| 13:36.56 | stoned | !sysrq |
| 13:36.56 | dpkg | it has been said that sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt |
| 13:36.59 | kombi | valdyn: it is, I'l try the other approach now. Many thanks for your help so far! |
| 13:37.10 | bolt | Daemonic: there are however, plenty of simple packet sniffers that can make logs in some kind of readable format. try searching for sniff on apt-cache or something |
| 13:37.15 | stoned | spq, use sysrq + b |
| 13:37.18 | valdyn | spq: but its true, you cant do a hardware reset remotely |
| 13:37.33 | valdyn | spq: what stoned is telling you is similar, but its not a hardware reset |
| 13:37.35 | stoned | remotely |
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| 13:37.44 | stoned | not possible |
| 13:37.46 | Daemonic | bolt, maybe ethereal isn't what I'm needing then. I just need a quick way to monitor any incoming traffic or outgoing.. an attempt to ssh or ftp or even ping my IP would be nice. |
| 13:38.00 | spq | stoned i need it via ssh |
| 13:38.04 | stoned | no can do |
| 13:38.09 | valdyn | spq: sysrq can be done in a terminal |
| 13:38.10 | stoned | use shutdown -r or -h |
| 13:38.17 | spq | valdyn, i bet it is... |
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| 13:38.35 | bolt | Daemonic: your daemons should have their own logging capabilities. you could catch and log pings and the likes with some simple iptables rules |
| 13:38.35 | stoned | valdyn, I did not know that |
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| 13:38.45 | stoned | valdyn, would be very handy |
| 13:38.46 | valdyn | stoned: echo something > /proc/dunno |
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| 13:39.13 | stoned | valdyn, and ... what? |
| 13:39.31 | bolt | Daemonic: if you're not too familiar with iptables, see if shorewall or similar can make some useful rules for you |
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| 13:39.39 | Daemonic | bolt, a long long time ago someone offered up a simple command that worked wonders. its been ages ago and I cannot remember what it was, but I could just tail -f a file and everything like pings, ssh attempts, everything was shown in the tail. |
| 13:40.01 | valdyn | stoned: echo foo > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 13:40.05 | stoned | valdyn, and sysrq+b is the same thing as pressing reset but without the hardware coldboot effects... because it will immedietly reboot |
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| 13:40.13 | kombi | Daemonic: tail -f /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 13:40.30 | kombi | doesn't give you ping though |
| 13:40.32 | stoned | valdyn, doesn't it.. thats similar to pushing the reset button |
| 13:40.40 | valdyn | stoned: yea, thats what i said.. |
| 13:40.59 | stoned | I'm sleepy man I can't sleep yet my hearburn thingy is horrible I had a hefty spicy meal last night |
| 13:41.06 | Daemonic | kombi, that wasn't it. I it would show any incoming traffic and what port/etc.. it was using |
| 13:41.10 | stoned | perhaps I missed it |
| 13:41.12 | Daemonic | -I |
| 13:41.13 | cusco | or just use s u b - syncronize , umount and mount read only, reboot |
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| 13:42.10 | valdyn | spq: so something like "echo sub > /proc/sysrq-trigger" |
| 13:42.27 | cusco | I think you have to go one by one |
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| 13:42.34 | valdyn | cusco: yea, probably |
| 13:42.38 | stoned | you do |
| 13:43.11 | valdyn | or echo "s\nu\nb" > /proc/sysrq-trigger, maybe |
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| 13:43.55 | flo_ | stoned: It seems that a package nvidia-glx-legacy-71x depends on isn't avaliable: nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-71.86.07 Package not available |
| 13:44.11 | valdyn | flo_: thats built for your kernel with module-assistant |
| 13:44.49 | stoned | alright im passin out |
| 13:44.54 | stoned | this tiem bye for real |
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| 13:46.18 | flo_ | valdyn: ok i look for infomration regarding module-assistant thx |
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| 13:54.03 | bolt | Daemonic: let me know if you figure that out |
| 13:55.11 | Daemonic | bolt, I've been googling but haven't turned up anything useful. |
| 13:55.45 | bolt | I don't think there is, at least per default, a file which contains all those things. You'd need to log them with iptables first and then tail the file |
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| 13:56.43 | Daemonic | bolt, well that magical command I ran many years ago that gave me exactly what I needed may have been something along those lines. |
| 13:57.08 | Daemonic | bolt, but it wasn't complicated.. it couldn't have been simpler. |
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| 14:00.45 | Daemonic | on a different note.. is there anything I should do to optimize speed on a Core 2 Quad other than run an SMP kernel? |
| 14:00.55 | bolt | Daemonic: well, let me know if you find out (about the network thing) |
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| 14:01.16 | bolt | Daemonic: and no, i don't think so |
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| 14:01.23 | zinx | Daemonic: use a 64-bit system |
| 14:01.31 | zinx | Daemonic: or at the very least i686 libc |
| 14:01.41 | Daemonic | bolt, will do. I'm sure I'll find my answer eventually. I appreciate your help. |
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| 14:02.22 | Daemonic | zinx, I tried 64bit on an older AMD system of mine. I had horrible problems with media codecs, flash, etc.. are those problems still around? |
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| 14:03.44 | zinx | Daemonic: i don't have them. maybe you do? |
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| 14:06.33 | Daemonic | zinx, I'm just asking if things like adobe flash and other media codecs are working now? its been a while since I installed a 64bit distro.. last time I tried it I had to create a 32bit chroot for stuff which was quite a pita. |
| 14:08.52 | zinx | Daemonic: mplayer and flash are both working for me |
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| 14:08.59 | frostschutz | 64bit flash works just as well (read: is just as buggy) as the 32bit version :) |
| 14:09.01 | zinx | Daemonic: that doesn't mean they'll work for you, though :/ |
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| 14:09.02 | rhsanborn | I have a USB wireless card, and I'd like to see if it's been detected. Is there a command or something I can run to see if it's been loaded? |
| 14:09.04 | Janhouse | how can I add mkfs.ntfs to my debian? |
| 14:09.41 | zinx | Janhouse: afaik there isn't anything that can create a NTFS filesystem other than Windows |
| 14:09.52 | Daemonic | zinx, hmm, interesting.. they work fine for you but might not for me. |
| 14:10.00 | Janhouse | rhsanborn try dmesg | tail |
| 14:10.29 | jelly-home | zinx: why do I have a /usr/sbin/mkntfs! |
| 14:10.32 | zinx | Daemonic: i'm running sid, and know how to fix my system when it breaks or doesn't do what I want it to. |
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| 14:10.47 | zinx | Daemonic: and i don't remember 99% of what i've done :D |
| 14:10.51 | zinx | jelly-home: hacks |
| 14:11.21 | zinx | Janhouse: install ntfsprogs and use mkntfs i guess :x |
| 14:11.37 | rhsanborn | Janhouse, I plugged it in while it was booting. |
| 14:11.49 | rhsanborn | Janhouse, unplug, reboot, and plug in after everything has loaded? |
| 14:12.45 | Janhouse | thx |
| 14:12.57 | Janhouse | rhsanborn I have no clue |
| 14:13.30 | Daemonic | zinx, I see. well I may be a noob but I'm not completely inept. |
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| 14:15.18 | valdyn | Daemonic: i dont really need any windows codecs. |
| 14:15.26 | amigrave | will ruby 1.9.1 make it into lenny or is it too late ? |
| 14:15.32 | valdyn | Daemonic: maybe you do for some realmedia stuff |
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| 14:16.03 | zinx | Daemonic: i write/patch my kernel modules as needed :/ |
| 14:16.18 | valdyn | Daemonic: but - 64bit debian is hardly faster than 32-bit debian, so why bother |
| 14:16.28 | abrotman | amigrave: too late if it's not in now |
| 14:16.37 | Daemonic | valdyn, that's kind of what I was thinking. |
| 14:16.38 | zinx | valdyn: depends on what you're doing |
| 14:16.54 | amigrave | abrotman: ok |
| 14:16.57 | valdyn | zinx: yes, it can be slower, and it can be faster, depending on what you are doing |
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| 14:17.42 | valdyn | Daemonic: and 64-bit debian needs your ram, and nothing can compensate you running low on ram, if you dont have that much |
| 14:17.51 | zinx | valdyn: if something's slower you can just run the 32-bit version :P |
| 14:17.52 | valdyn | Daemonic: s/your/more/ |
| 14:18.10 | valdyn | zinx: i can do that vice versa too |
| 14:18.15 | zinx | valdyn: no, you can't. |
| 14:18.16 | d1b | valdyn: why should it be faster than 32bit ? |
| 14:18.21 | valdyn | zinx: yes i can |
| 14:18.22 | zinx | valdyn: a 32-bit kernel can not run 64-bit apps. |
| 14:18.34 | valdyn | d1b: because 64-bit is less data than 32-bit |
| 14:18.41 | valdyn | d1b: because 64-bit is *more* data than 32-bit |
| 14:18.53 | d1b | valdyn: ...... right |
| 14:18.56 | zinx | does Debian have 64-bit packages in the x86 release yet? |
| 14:19.00 | valdyn | zinx: 32-bit debian does not imply a 32-bit kernel |
| 14:19.09 | zinx | valdyn: does Debian have 64-bit packages in the x86 release yet? |
| 14:19.19 | valdyn | zinx: i dont know actually |
| 14:19.20 | d1b | valdyn: big-mem kernel should be fine if you need the extra ram |
| 14:19.24 | zinx | valdyn: those are needed as well to run 64-bit apps |
| 14:19.37 | valdyn | zinx: that or a chroot |
| 14:19.42 | zinx | ewww :) |
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| 14:21.47 | Tchaka_ | hello everyone |
| 14:23.05 | Daemonic | I'm guessing for what I do that 32-bit is just fine... unless 64-bit has some major advantage at encoding dvds or recording audio on top of everyday browsing and some light gaming. |
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| 14:23.19 | valdyn | Daemonic: thats a complex issue |
| 14:23.48 | valdyn | Daemonic: if your codec uses some extension(s) like sse then sse is the same no matter if the arch is 32 or 64 bit |
| 14:23.59 | valdyn | Daemonic: and sse is up to 128 bit anyway |
| 14:24.09 | valdyn | Daemonic: ( or maybe even more now , i wouldnt know ) |
| 14:24.10 | jensp | hey there, which debian package provides mount.cifs? |
| 14:24.34 | valdyn | Daemonic: but if the codec uses "standard" instructions it might be up to twice as fast on 64-bit arches |
| 14:25.05 | Tchaka_ | I made a netinst of debian lenny Etch 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 and I've one issue regarding the sound. I have alsa-base, alsa-oss, alsamixergui and pulseaudio installed but still not sound (The main channels are unmuted and non zero volume) |
| 14:25.25 | jensp | sorry, forget it, didn't see you could search inside packages on packages.debian.org |
| 14:25.29 | jensp | sweet feature :) |
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| 14:25.37 | valdyn | Daemonic: recording audio isnt cpu intensive at all, i would think |
| 14:25.45 | Daemonic | valdyn, great. thanks. now I'm gonna have to look into that. I'm always down for cutting encode times down. I just built this C2Q for that very reason. |
| 14:27.48 | valdyn | Tchaka_: linux-sound-base should be installed, nothing else, to get just sound, pulseaudio works on top of that though |
| 14:28.07 | Tchaka_ | I checked the ALSA driver version (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.15). I also have the right sound devices with alsamixer |
| 14:28.25 | valdyn | Tchaka_: aplay some wav file |
| 14:28.33 | valdyn | Tchaka_: tell us output |
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| 14:29.00 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, hi |
| 14:29.07 | d1b | valdyn: um why is 64bit faster going to explain ? |
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| 14:29.23 | valdyn | d1b: you mean why it is sometimes faster? |
| 14:29.32 | d1b | are packages compiled for cpus past blah (for amd64) |
| 14:29.40 | valdyn | d1b: it has more registers available |
| 14:30.05 | valdyn | d1b: its not inherently faster just because its 64-bit though |
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| 14:30.22 | d1b | registers is not the same as speed... |
| 14:30.30 | valdyn | d1b: what? |
| 14:30.33 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, what kind of output should I get? |
| 14:31.23 | valdyn | d1b: and for signal processing it obviously does 64-bit at once, not 32-bit at once |
| 14:31.23 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, Playing raw data 'Desktop/cd8bb258f802ec2af3d3619d5db67403.mp3' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono |
| 14:31.23 | valdyn | d1b: ( sans sse naturally ) |
| 14:31.32 | valdyn | Tchaka_: well, thats not a wav file so you wouldnt hear anything but noise |
| 14:31.47 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, ok I have to find a wave fike |
| 14:32.28 | valdyn | d1b: registers are an order of magnitude faster than ram access |
| 14:33.16 | Daemonic | valdyn, so all this I hear about the memory required for 64bit... I have four gigs right now, would I need another four gigs to properly make use of a 64bit enviorment or should I still be ok? |
| 14:33.29 | valdyn | Daemonic: no |
| 14:33.36 | valdyn | Daemonic: this depends on your workload |
| 14:33.42 | Gnurdux | 4 gigs should serve just fine |
| 14:33.54 | d1b | ah.... doesn't the cpu have X registers that are used regardless of bits of the os |
| 14:33.55 | Gnurdux | its just that one of the perks of 64-bit is efficient access to *more* than 4 gigs |
| 14:34.00 | valdyn | Daemonic: your workload defines if you exhaust any amount of ram or not |
| 14:34.04 | Gnurdux | d1b, nope |
| 14:34.11 | Gnurdux | some registers are only accessible in 64-bit mode |
| 14:34.31 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, by the way it seems that some people have some problems with this card 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel |
| 14:34.32 | Gnurdux | and some are 32-bit only in 32-bit mode but 64-bit in 64-bit mode |
| 14:34.32 | Daemonic | valdyn, I'm comfortable with 4 gigs. it handles my workload without a problem right now. |
| 14:34.41 | valdyn | Tchaka_: thats not a specific card |
| 14:34.42 | Gnurdux | Daemonic, then dont buy more |
| 14:34.45 | Gnurdux | if you need more, buy it |
| 14:34.53 | valdyn | Tchaka_: its one "standard" which is implemented by a LOT of chips |
| 14:35.07 | valdyn | Tchaka_: and everything that is sold nowadays is hda-intel, pretty much |
| 14:35.27 | Tchaka_ | ok |
| 14:35.29 | valdyn | Tchaka_: obviously there will be people reporting problems, plenty of them |
| 14:35.57 | valdyn | Tchaka_: macbook btw? |
| 14:36.01 | Gnurdux | d1b, in fact, the main perk of 64-bit mode is extra registers |
| 14:36.16 | Gnurdux | that basically explains most of the performance improvement |
| 14:36.33 | rhsanborn | I have a pc that I need to load ndiswrapper on, but getting a network connection is tricky. Is there anyway I can download ndiswrapper from somewhere onto a flash drive and load it manually? (I'm having trouble finding a way to search the repos w/o a valid debian install) |
| 14:36.56 | d1b | rhsanborn: yes packages.debian.org |
| 14:37.04 | rhsanborn | dlb, ty |
| 14:37.04 | valdyn | rhsanborn: or you could just use the first debian cd instead of netinstall |
| 14:37.20 | rhsanborn | maybe I'll go download that. It was installed with netinstall. |
| 14:37.51 | rhsanborn | valdyn, tyvm |
| 14:38.22 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, I tried with a wave file Playing raw data '50.foot.wave' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono |
| 14:38.49 | valdyn | Tchaka_: volume isnt tuned up |
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| 14:39.08 | valdyn | Tchaka_: its even possible that there exists controls that you cannot access from linux |
| 14:39.24 | valdyn | Tchaka_: i couldnt help you with that, but maybe you just oversaw some control |
| 14:39.47 | valdyn | Tchaka_: or your speakers arent connected properly |
| 14:40.10 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, I have a dual boot with winxp |
| 14:40.21 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, sound works fine |
| 14:40.41 | valdyn | Tchaka_: the output plug is configurable and/or autodetected |
| 14:40.47 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, PCM 60% front 100% |
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| 14:40.57 | valdyn | Tchaka_: surround? |
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| 14:41.45 | Tchaka_ | 50% |
| 14:42.08 | Tchaka_ | is it normal that I've no master? |
| 14:42.09 | valdyn | Tchaka_: paste the output of amixer on a paste site |
| 14:42.16 | valdyn | Tchaka_: no its not |
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| 14:43.44 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/m1d8ef692 |
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| 14:45.21 | valdyn | Simple mixer control 'Side',0 is at zero |
| 14:45.26 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, regardind linux-sound-base you mentioned, it is also installed |
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| 14:46.49 | szymon_g | hi |
| 14:47.28 | valdyn | Tchaka_: headphone is on, so maybe that offs your main output |
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| 14:47.36 | valdyn | Tchaka_: try switching connectors |
| 14:48.20 | szymon_g | i had a small 'accident' - i erased my /etc/apt/sources.list (and, of course, i have no copy of it :~) |
| 14:48.46 | szymon_g | could anyone paste me a basic lenny's repositories? |
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| 14:50.11 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 14:50.11 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 14:50.43 | amitz | where is the location .bz2 of apt? I can't seems to find it in google |
| 14:50.51 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, side is mute because I have a permanent "sputtering" |
| 14:50.57 | valdyn | !tell amitz -about search |
| 14:51.29 | valdyn | Tchaka_: well, you cant see if anythign is going that way if you have it muted |
| 14:51.44 | szymon_g | oh, thanks valdyn |
| 14:52.05 | amitz | valdyn: I'm referring to the list of packages (of .bz2 exstension) downloaded by apt-get update. |
| 14:52.53 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, yes I tried with no muted of course but I have still no sound, therefore I let it mute |
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| 14:54.02 | amitz | valdyn: at least, do you know the format of the file names so that I can find it using find? |
| 14:54.36 | valdyn | amitz: /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 14:56.01 | valdyn | Tchaka_: repeat tests with "aplay -D hw:0,0" |
| 14:56.42 | amitz | valdyn: hmm.. no bzip2 file in there.. I guess this probably refers to different error... anyway thx. |
| 14:56.57 | enouf | .pdiff ? |
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| 14:57.14 | valdyn | amitz: its the same files, except in uncompressed form |
| 14:58.02 | enouf | Tchaka_: tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base (i'm entering late - don't know) |
| 14:58.13 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, I switched off headphone |
| 14:58.32 | amitz | valdyn: I have the "Data integrity error when decompressing". Last time I can fix this by simply deleting some files, which I forgot. Reference to that error in google is..complicated. |
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| 14:58.48 | enouf | amitz: not a good sign |
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| 14:59.16 | amitz | enouf: I thought I should delete the .bz2 so that apt-get update start fresh. |
| 14:59.35 | xxiao | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.36 | enouf | amitz: bz2 files might be related to apt-get source files - i'm not sure though |
| 14:59.37 | amitz | many experience this problem but the causes are differents. |
| 14:59.42 | valdyn | amitz: it does start fresh |
| 14:59.54 | valdyn | amitz: deleting any bz2 file has nothing directly to do with that |
| 15:00.07 | valdyn | amitz: now if you gave us the real error message... |
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| 15:00.20 | amitz | enouf, valdyn: ic ic. |
| 15:00.55 | valdyn | Packages.bz2 or Source.bz2, if bzip2 is installed, else .gz |
| 15:00.55 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, are you about the device name? |
| 15:01.04 | valdyn | Tchaka_: yes |
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| 15:01.18 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, because I am not getting anything |
| 15:01.43 | valdyn | Tchaka_: you are also not getting any sound if you play with "aplay -D hw:0,0" ? |
| 15:01.54 | amitz | valdyn: need to type the error message since it's in different computer with no email client.., but let me test some theories. |
| 15:01.56 | Tchaka_ | no |
| 15:02.14 | jeefo | i have usb webcam, lsusb has returned Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04fc:0561 but skype says no device found |
| 15:02.23 | amitz | no web browser either. |
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| 15:02.27 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, actually since I made the install, I did get any sound |
| 15:02.33 | valdyn | Tchaka_: remaining thing is switching plugs then |
| 15:02.56 | MarkJones | Is it ok to ask about "Lenny" here? |
| 15:03.22 | Tchaka_ | valdyn, sorry what do you mean |
| 15:03.40 | enouf | MarkJones: yes, do you know what Lenny is? |
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| 15:03.45 | jeefo | guys i need help, please :/ |
| 15:03.45 | MarkJones | yep |
| 15:04.05 | enouf | jeefo: skype sucks ass .. try again |
| 15:04.30 | jeefo | enouf: try what again ?? O_o |
| 15:04.36 | MarkJones | I was wondering, I just got done installing the Lenny CD and Im on it now, but I noticed Synaptic is goen by default.What about the DVD version? |
| 15:05.10 | enouf | jeefo: your choices |
| 15:05.15 | MarkJones | I know the Etch DVDs have it installed by default cause I have all 3 Etch dvds. |
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| 15:05.38 | Tchaka_ | enouf, I tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and select alsa |
| 15:05.41 | enouf | MarkJones: what? |
| 15:05.46 | enouf | Tchaka_: yes |
| 15:05.52 | enouf | normally |
| 15:05.58 | Tchaka_ | enouf, ok but no progress to get the sound |
| 15:06.09 | enouf | Tchaka_: shame - sorry .. |
| 15:06.11 | jeefo | enouf: i had no choices :/ cam is not listed even |
| 15:06.13 | MarkJones | Debian Lenny CD install doesnt have Synaptic installed by default. Does the DVD install have Synaptic installed by default? |
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| 15:06.22 | enouf | MarkJones: wtf? Synaptic? or synaptics? |
| 15:06.38 | MarkJones | Synaptic package manager |
| 15:06.40 | Nightchill | any ideas on why i'm getting these errors http://paste2.org/p/143316 |
| 15:06.45 | amitz | heh, I need to solve another problem first. Is there any way to retrieve the few last texts written in terminal? Not the command, but the output? |
| 15:06.49 | enouf | MarkJones: who cares about GUI pkg managers? |
| 15:06.56 | MarkJones | I do. |
| 15:06.59 | enouf | MarkJones: i'm sure it's available though |
| 15:07.07 | enouf | MarkJones: no .. you don't |
| 15:07.11 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:07.15 | MarkJones | Just cause you dont liek em dont mean I dont. |
| 15:07.17 | MarkJones | :) |
| 15:07.27 | enouf | trust me - if you want to use Debian, you don't |
| 15:07.32 | Nightchill | any ideas on why i'm getting these errors http://paste2.org/p/143316 |
| 15:07.34 | MarkJones | Yes I do. |
| 15:07.37 | amitz | anyway, I forgot I use apt-cacher-ng. deleting all .bz2 files on the cache solve the problem. |
| 15:07.43 | enouf | MarkJones: why not use K Package Manager? |
| 15:07.49 | MarkJones | I hate KDE |
| 15:07.57 | enouf | MarkJones: it loves you ! |
| 15:08.09 | MarkJones | Its too bloated for my liking. |
| 15:08.17 | MarkJones | Way too many options. |
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| 15:08.29 | enouf | MarkJones: wonderful |
| 15:08.43 | Nightchill | are all non-free mirrors down? |
| 15:08.45 | Nightchill | or wtf |
| 15:08.50 | Nightchill | i'm getting 404 errors constantly |
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| 15:08.51 | Tchaka_ | MarkJones, I am trying to get the sound with Gnome, maybe I should try KDE and that will work better?? :D |
| 15:08.51 | MarkJones | GNOMEs simplicity is nice for me. |
| 15:08.53 | Nightchill | on every non-free |
| 15:08.57 | enouf | MarkJones: find a fix when your GUI pkg manager breaks |
| 15:09.00 | Nightchill | MarkJones: gnome is fugly |
| 15:09.09 | Nightchill | use wmii |
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| 15:09.20 | enouf | Tchaka_: uname -r |
| 15:09.24 | MarkJones | Ive only had Synaptic break in Ubuntu. |
| 15:09.29 | MarkJones | Thats why I ditched it. |
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| 15:09.32 | Tchaka_ | enouf, 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
| 15:09.36 | EmleyMoor | Is there a channel that deals with the installation of other systems in kvm? |
| 15:09.38 | enouf | Tchaka_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 15:09.52 | jeefo | i have usb webcam, lsusb has returned Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04fc:0561 but skype says no device found |
| 15:09.54 | Tchaka_ | enouf, ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:09.58 | Nightchill | enouf: how can i make my usb headset to be default device for playback? |
| 15:10.02 | enouf | EmleyMoor: not offhand that i know of |
| 15:10.12 | osFrenchDude1 | Have you ever tried compiz fusion ?? |
| 15:10.16 | enouf | judd: versions libc6 |
| 15:10.16 | judd | enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.7-18 experimental: 2.9-0exp2 |
| 15:10.42 | enouf | Tchaka_: great, you have an etchnhalf kernel + a sid libc6 |
| 15:11.03 | MarkJones | Realy all I use Synaptic package manager for is to manually download packages and there dependencies so I can copy them to flashdrive for manual install on offline systems. |
| 15:11.07 | enouf | Nightchill: spank it hard ;0 .. no idea man |
| 15:11.24 | Nightchill | =/ |
| 15:11.31 | enouf | MarkJones: that's nice .. |
| 15:11.35 | Tchaka_ | enouf, not good? |
| 15:11.44 | enouf | Tchaka_: no, not good |
| 15:12.11 | enouf | sorry, i meant a Lenny libc6, not sid |
| 15:12.13 | Tchaka_ | enouf, I need to do a full new install? |
| 15:12.15 | enouf | but still |
| 15:12.24 | enouf | well .. maybe not |
| 15:12.57 | Tchaka_ | enouf, you mean the iso I used to make the netinstall was too old? |
| 15:12.59 | enouf | Tchaka_: /msg dpkg lenny release notes ; /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 15:13.17 | enouf | Tchaka_: you want to upgrade to Lenny |
| 15:13.48 | MarkJones | Have they set a specific Lenny release date yet or is it still just aiming at Feb 14? |
| 15:13.54 | enouf | Tchaka_: it's not a production, mission-critical server, yes? a Desktop , or Craptp, yes? |
| 15:14.09 | enouf | MarkJones: who cares - help fix bugs |
| 15:14.18 | enouf | i just filed one |
| 15:14.20 | Tchaka_ | enouf, I install on my desktop |
| 15:14.25 | enouf | Tchaka_: do it |
| 15:14.27 | MarkJones | enouf wow does IRC have an iggy button? |
| 15:14.33 | MarkJones | lets see here. |
| 15:14.39 | enouf | starr? yes? |
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| 15:14.54 | Tchaka_ | enouf, heu do it what? |
| 15:14.59 | Tchaka_ | enouf, reinstall all? |
| 15:15.32 | enouf | Tchaka_: no, do what i suggested, for best results |
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| 15:16.23 | enouf | Tchaka_: you sem eager -- please though, pay attention; [10:12:33] <enouf> Tchaka_: /msg dpkg lenny release notes ; /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 15:16.36 | enouf | Tchaka_: /msg dpkg grounding (as we;;) |
| 15:16.48 | enouf | s/we;;/well |
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| 15:17.32 | enouf | judd: versions libc6 --arch amd64 |
| 15:17.33 | judd | enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.7-18 experimental: 2.9-0exp2 |
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| 15:17.39 | enouf | yerp |
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| 15:18.49 | Facon | Hi! |
| 15:19.23 | enouf | get lost |
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| 15:19.36 | liable | uh |
| 15:19.37 | enouf | i'm grumpy ;-) |
| 15:19.57 | enouf | !qotd |
| 15:19.57 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already. <qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". at 231 (2009-02-05) |
| 15:20.01 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 15:20.02 | dpkg | i heard qotd148 is <Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
| 15:20.14 | enouf | haha |
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| 15:20.56 | enouf | liable: i am so drunk .. i might as well be outback :-P |
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| 15:21.19 | Tchaka_ | enouf, sorry I am not sure I understood everything. My kernel is too old |
| 15:21.20 | enouf | liable: let me cut your rafter tails ;-) |
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| 15:21.35 | enouf | Tchaka_: you need to read a bit |
| 15:22.01 | enouf | is going ... real soon |
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| 15:22.30 | liable | enouf: i am astounded that you are up late and drunk on irc! :P its not like you at all.. |
| 15:23.11 | enouf | liable: ;-) |
| 15:23.17 | asg | !d&d |
| 15:23.18 | dpkg | Don't drink and deb. It might make sense to install SID after a few tequila's, but it's one hell of a hangover!, or the (in)famous Dungeons and Dragons pen&paper roleplaying game |
| 15:23.19 | liable | not that i can talk.. |
| 15:23.39 | amitz | when it said: W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> , which one is the problem. The "Release" or "Release.gpg"? |
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| 15:24.53 | valdyn | Nightchill: by editing ~/.asoundrc |
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| 15:26.02 | Nightchill | valdyn: ty |
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| 15:26.29 | _pseud0nym | I am being a bit picky here. But apostrophe S == ownership / possessive noun, plain S == plural. So, 'tequilas' is correct |
| 15:26.36 | amitz | fyi, it's the "Release" instead of "Release.gpg" |
| 15:27.07 | Nightchill | valdyn: that file does not exist, i mean when i try to edit it, blank file opens =/ |
| 15:27.18 | valdyn | Nightchill: thats correct |
| 15:27.34 | Nightchill | so.. uhm (?) |
| 15:27.50 | valdyn | !asoundrc |
| 15:28.03 | valdyn | Nightchill: its all documented |
| 15:28.25 | Nightchill | kk i'll check it out |
| 15:28.40 | Nightchill | btw any clue why xfce's mixer automatically mutes my headset's speakers? |
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| 15:29.53 | unop | _pseud0nym, Sid's spelt oddly too. |
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| 15:30.18 | _pseud0nym | SID is recursive acronym, no? |
| 15:30.34 | valdyn | !sid |
| 15:30.34 | dpkg | well, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
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| 15:32.02 | Tchaka_ | enouf, valdyn thanks for your help |
| 15:32.15 | osFrenchDude | Hi, How do I add a start up program (like fusion-icon) in kde, please |
| 15:32.18 | _pseud0nym | Oh, thanks! I learned something new today |
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| 15:33.19 | enouf | Tchaka_: what helped? i suck |
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| 15:35.53 | Tchaka_ | enouf, last question even if I've only 2go but a core 2 duo, do you think I have advantage to install an amd64 kernel? |
| 15:36.03 | enouf | Tchaka_: i want to tell you i love you, but that's only cause i'm drunk - liable will explian ;-) |
| 15:36.36 | Tchaka_ | liable, ? |
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| 15:38.16 | enouf | heh |
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| 15:38.47 | enouf | can be soooo.... __________ |
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| 15:41.59 | enouf | goes afk .. (thank goodness, i know) |
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| 15:47.33 | joshuaaaa | I would like to install sun-java is there a package |
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| 15:48.37 | soulpro | do an aptitue search sun-java6 |
| 15:49.12 | EugenMayer | pngwn: sorry. Iam regulary not in here |
| 15:49.14 | joshuaaaa | ok thanks |
| 15:49.28 | EugenMayer | pngwn: but sure you are right. |
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| 15:57.31 | lhz | apt-get update -> md5 mismatch on http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 ??? |
| 15:58.30 | d1b | lhz: run it again |
| 15:59.33 | lhz | d1b: same error.. apt-source ftp.se.debian.org is bad, ftp.debian.org works. |
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| 16:04.34 | arvind_khadri | how do i install firefox 3 in debian? |
| 16:04.53 | d1b | use iceweasel. |
| 16:05.22 | d1b | if you are on etch you will need to google for how to backport a few required libs. tho |
| 16:05.37 | lumis | if you're using an x86, you can download a binary from the mozilla website |
| 16:05.38 | lumis | iirc ;) |
| 16:05.49 | arvind_khadri | d1b, orkut doesn´t support it... ya i need gtk+2.10 |
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| 16:06.10 | arvind_khadri | lumis, i have downloaded the source but it needs gtk+2.10 |
| 16:06.24 | pupeno_ | Does anybody know how to manually geotag pictures with the program exif or similar? |
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| 16:08.56 | d1b | pupeno_: there is a geotag exif program... |
| 16:09.26 | pupeno_ | d1b: how is it called? |
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| 16:11.01 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: you cannot |
| 16:11.17 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: the amount of work you'll do to make it work, isn't worth it |
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| 16:11.36 | lumis | agrees with abrotman |
| 16:11.42 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, http://achmadz.blogspot.com/2008/08/firefox-3-in-debian-etch-40-very-quick.html this makes it seem easy |
| 16:12.33 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: those are using unofficial gtk packages, if they break your system, you'll be on your own |
| 16:12.59 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, oh... ok.. so i need to wait till lenny is out? |
| 16:13.00 | abrotman | it's not really installing the new gtk .. but it's your machine, not mine |
| 16:13.03 | d1b | arvind_khadri: lenny is almost out... you could upgrade |
| 16:13.09 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: is it a desktop ? |
| 16:13.15 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, ya |
| 16:13.34 | arvind_khadri | d1b, almost out as in ? |
| 16:13.38 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: unless you rely on this machine for your livelihood ... you could probably go to lenny now |
| 16:13.42 | abrotman | !tell arvind_khadri about lenny status |
| 16:13.46 | abrotman | !tell arvind_khadri about etch->lenny |
| 16:13.56 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, its on a deep freeze right :) |
| 16:14.12 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: deep deep .. |
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| 16:14.45 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, which kernel in lenny? |
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| 16:14.54 | abrotman | a .26 |
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| 16:15.30 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, oh ok.. and if i compile my own kernel on lenny...will i again be on my own? |
| 16:15.57 | abrotman | why would you compile your own kernel? |
| 16:16.24 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, so that i have better hardware support... |
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| 16:16.40 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: if your hardware is already supported, that doesn't make a bunch of sense |
| 16:16.47 | d-b | arvind_khadri: .... its a fairly new kernel. |
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| 16:17.02 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, i have a cam which isnt... |
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| 16:17.11 | abrotman | which camera is that? |
| 16:17.27 | abrotman | do you have the USBID ? |
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| 16:17.58 | jjoseph | Won't he be alright if he compiles and install the new kernel the debian way? makekpg etc... |
| 16:18.07 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, its a intex one... usbid is from lsusb right? |
| 16:18.13 | abrotman | lsusb -v |
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| 16:19.28 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, shall i paste it? |
| 16:19.36 | abrotman | it's onyl one line right ? |
| 16:20.21 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, no its too long... |
| 16:20.40 | abrotman | use paste.debian.net |
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| 16:21.46 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/27868/ |
| 16:22.26 | tCzern | hello, I have an older computer, Dual Pentium III with 512 MB ram. Will Debian run nicely on this or not. Right now I have Suse 11 on it and it is very very slow. thanks! |
| 16:22.36 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, i pasted the output only for the device |
| 16:22.36 | abrotman | the microdia is your camera ? |
| 16:22.39 | abrotman | ok |
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| 16:23.07 | d-b | tCzern: depend on what desktop environment you run probably. |
| 16:23.15 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, no its an intex one... but its always recognized as Microdia and dmesg | tail wont have any records of it |
| 16:23.26 | abrotman | okay then |
| 16:23.47 | arvind_khadri | so what should i be doing? |
| 16:24.15 | tCzern | in Suse I tried KDE and Gnome, both are slow. I was just reading over an article about Lightweight distros, and Debian is among them |
| 16:24.28 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: it seems to be in .27 .. eventually there will be a bpo or lennynhalf kernel >.27, but yes, at this point you'd have to use your own |
| 16:24.44 | abrotman | tCzern: should be fine |
| 16:24.59 | d-b | tCzern: well .... gnome and kde are big packages these days. |
| 16:24.59 | abrotman | tCzern: you might have better luck with something like xfce if you find gnome/kde to be too heavy |
| 16:25.11 | tCzern | ok |
| 16:25.23 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, so you mean that if i install the .27 kernel it may work? |
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| 16:25.44 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: the camera .. yes |
| 16:25.46 | d-b | arvind_khadri: what are you running atm that supports your webcam. |
| 16:25.46 | avu | tCzern, I use debian on an old 1GHz G4 with 512MB almost on a daily basis and it's actually quite fast. I use neither KDE nor GNOME though. |
| 16:25.50 | tCzern | loading something like firefox or openoffice takes forever. and it runs on an scsi hard drive. |
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| 16:26.01 | tCzern | avu: ok |
| 16:26.17 | arvind_khadri | d-b, nothing supports my cam...other than windows |
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| 16:26.27 | tCzern | avu: what environment are you using then? |
| 16:26.28 | pupeno_ | Does anybody know how to manually geotag pictures with the program exif? |
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| 16:27.29 | avu | tCzern, I'm not using a 'desktop environment' at all. I use wmii as window manager, rox-filer, iceweasel, roxterm, gmpc, mplayer |
| 16:27.49 | tCzern | ok |
| 16:27.53 | abrotman | sounds like avu uses a custom desktop environment |
| 16:27.55 | abrotman | hides |
| 16:28.05 | avu | abrotman, you could put it that way, true |
| 16:28.58 | tCzern | on a side, could it be that a new inkjet printer will not work on USB 1.0 ? The printer gets detected, but doesn't work |
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| 16:29.33 | avu | tCzern, if it's very new, you might just need a newer hplip version |
| 16:29.40 | avu | or at least newer ppds |
| 16:29.49 | Eulex | usb 2.0 is supposed to be backwards compatible |
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| 16:30.12 | avu | I had to backport hplip from experimental to use our new HP printer at work too |
| 16:30.27 | avu | Eulex, the operative being 'supposed to' :) |
| 16:30.29 | tCzern | no idea,I tried for hours to get this to work on suse, kinda tired of if, that's not even the only problem. ready to switch now |
| 16:30.39 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, http://www.ajaypal.com/webcam_for_linux.html found this :) |
| 16:30.45 | avu | Eulex, it may work in most cases, but it sure as hell doesn't work in any case :( |
| 16:31.06 | Eulex | avu, yeah |
| 16:31.26 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: oh, maybe you could try the gscpa pacakges in lenny then |
| 16:31.58 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, i am still in etch... i was thinking of doing what the page says... |
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| 16:32.18 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: i thought you were going to lenny for IW3 ? |
| 16:32.39 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, IW3??? what does that mean |
| 16:32.46 | d1b | firefox3 .. |
| 16:32.47 | abrotman | IW3/FF3 |
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| 16:32.52 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, oh ok got iy |
| 16:33.26 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: FWIW .. that guy's USBID doesn't match yours |
| 16:34.05 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, ya thats what i too was thinking |
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| 16:34.20 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, but the product is the same |
| 16:34.49 | abrotman | still not the same usb id |
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| 16:36.14 | Facon | sorry i have one question about debian versions |
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| 16:37.48 | abrotman | Facon: just ask |
| 16:38.12 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, where do i find the usbid... the first line of the paste is it? |
| 16:38.12 | Facon | first sorry for my english is really bad |
| 16:38.16 | jjoseph | pseubodot, This looks interesting http://moserei.de/index.php/36/use-igc-data-to-geotag-photos. I may try it out myself. |
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| 16:38.25 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, 0c45:6128 this one? |
| 16:38.36 | abrotman | yes, that's it |
| 16:38.48 | abrotman | jjoseph: wrong person |
| 16:39.00 | jjoseph | sorry |
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| 16:40.40 | Facon | I want to know the differents about Debian's Unstable packages and Normal Stable packages of authors, because I have seen that stable versions, of for example Gnome, goes first to Unstable branch, why?, they're stable |
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| 16:41.57 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, i could find the vendor id but not the product it |
| 16:41.59 | abrotman | Facon: not by debian's definition |
| 16:42.11 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: google "0c45:6128 linux driver" maybe |
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| 16:42.26 | Facon | where are debian's definitions? |
| 16:42.43 | Facon | I need to know more about it |
| 16:43.43 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ .. maybe |
| 16:45.17 | Facon | thx |
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| 16:47.45 | ribasushi | when one does `init N` |
| 16:47.47 | ribasushi | where does all the output go from the executed init scripts? |
| 16:47.49 | ribasushi | it doesn't show up on the console |
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| 16:53.03 | BadBoy1985ro | does canybody know where the jtag is on thecus n1200? |
| 16:53.15 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, ya its there in the .27 ... really not able to decide what i should be doing |
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| 16:53.41 | kakazza | Hi, should I add etch-backports in /etc/apt/preferences before unstable or afterwards? |
| 16:53.44 | kakazza | As in, pinning |
| 16:54.03 | abrotman | what? |
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| 16:54.11 | abrotman | why would you use etch-backports with unstable ? |
| 16:54.24 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: i thought you wanted IW3 ? |
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| 16:55.19 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, i want the cam to work too |
| 16:55.35 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: ignore the camera right now |
| 16:56.42 | kakazza | I am running stable right now |
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| 16:57.05 | abrotman | kakazza: so what does this have to do with unstable ? |
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| 16:57.24 | kakazza | Pin-Priority |
| 16:57.49 | kakazza | stable = 700, testing = 650, unstable = 600 |
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| 16:57.55 | kakazza | Where should I add etch-backports? |
| 16:57.58 | abrotman | kakazza: you shouldn't be mixing versions like that, things will break |
| 16:58.01 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, ok |
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| 17:00.56 | kakazza | abrotman - I only get what I need from unstable, because stable is more than outdated. |
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| 17:01.01 | abrotman | kakazza: you shouldn't be mixing versions like that, things will break |
| 17:01.16 | jjoseph | kakazza, Use a chroot instead. They are awesome when combined with schroot. Probably won't break anything either. |
| 17:01.16 | kakazza | But I was told to use backports instead |
| 17:01.55 | kakazza | hrm |
| 17:02.13 | abrotman | using backports is far far far better than mixing versions of debian |
| 17:02.34 | streuner | !listvals mixing |
| 17:02.34 | kakazza | So if I already installed a few pacakges from unstable, uninstall and reinstall from backports? |
| 17:02.36 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mixing' by value (11): lmms ;; atari ;; minefield ;; ardour ;; stable + testing ;; asdf #DEL# ;; nvsound ;; slashdott ;; slasdott ;; rs ;; package manager. |
| 17:02.41 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 17:02.41 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
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| 17:02.54 | ribasushi | abrotman: why? you track testing or stable, and you get reasonably working software when pulling pieces from unstable |
| 17:03.02 | ribasushi | as long as your base system is older - what can break? |
| 17:03.27 | abrotman | ribasushi: fine, you can fix everyone's machine that does that |
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| 17:03.56 | ribasushi | abrotman: instead of reciting fud, you could answer the question intelligently |
| 17:03.56 | abrotman | kakazza: dpkg -l libc6 .. which version is it? |
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| 17:04.30 | kakazza | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 17:04.35 | kakazza | I think I grabbed that from unstable |
| 17:04.48 | kakazza | not sure tho |
| 17:04.49 | streuner | could be testing too |
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| 17:04.54 | ribasushi | kakazza: well now that's a stupid thing to do |
| 17:05.01 | streuner | !judd versions libc6 |
| 17:05.02 | abrotman | right .. so he's basically not running stable anymore |
| 17:05.09 | kakazza | D: |
| 17:05.09 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 17:05.11 | judd | abrotman: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.7-18 experimental: 2.9-0exp2 |
| 17:05.12 | ribasushi | kakazza: why would you upgrade your core libraries? |
| 17:05.16 | streuner | yes |
| 17:05.20 | abrotman | ribasushi: because mixing is *stupid* |
| 17:05.26 | kakazza | Some package required it |
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| 17:05.37 | kakazza | znc I think |
| 17:05.48 | kakazza | probably a dependency or base-something |
| 17:05.55 | abrotman | shocker .. |
| 17:05.59 | ribasushi | abrotman: fine whatever |
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| 17:06.16 | kakazza | so, what to do? System is only a few days old. Is there a way to revert it? |
| 17:06.23 | ribasushi | kakazza: common-sense is a dependency too when running things other than stable |
| 17:06.39 | ribasushi | kakazza: not a clean way, no |
| 17:07.04 | streuner | listen to us, its not helpful if you mixing packages from different branches |
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| 17:07.44 | kakazza | I see. I didn't think linux was so strict about it. If it wasn't the others who want stable, I'd use unstable anyway. I can't install anything with the stable versions... |
| 17:07.50 | kakazza | too friggin old :x |
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| 17:08.15 | abrotman | kakazza: use lenny |
| 17:08.20 | kakazza | lenny? |
| 17:08.29 | streuner | testing |
| 17:08.53 | kakazza | and testing is more "secure" than unstable? |
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| 17:09.03 | kakazza | Because I got a few packages from unstable, which are officially stable |
| 17:09.08 | streuner | !testing |
| 17:09.09 | dpkg | from memory, testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages, or ask me about <moving target>. |
| 17:10.07 | kakazza | Ok, so... can I *fix* the system by upgrading to lenny? |
| 17:10.19 | abrotman | not certain |
| 17:10.26 | kakazza | since libc is the same in lenny and sid |
| 17:10.29 | kakazza | (at least that) |
| 17:10.30 | abrotman | kakazza: packages from unstable are not officially stable |
| 17:10.56 | kakazza | Is there a log of what I installed from unstable already? |
| 17:11.18 | streuner | there is dpkg.log |
| 17:11.44 | kakazza | I can remember I installed gcc-4.3-base from unstable, also znc, openssl |
| 17:11.44 | ribasushi | kakazza: problem with apt is that not all packages downgrade cleanly |
| 17:12.06 | ribasushi | kakazza: so try - if it doesn't work - restart from scratch, you said system is days old |
| 17:12.24 | kakazza | How do I see whether "it works"? |
| 17:12.32 | kakazza | I mean, it's running just fine now too :x |
| 17:12.44 | ribasushi | kakazza: and btw there is nothing wrong with mixing stuff, as long as you remember that mass-downgrading is practically not an option |
| 17:12.57 | streuner | just try to upgrade to lenny, you'll see what apt/dpkg tell you then... |
| 17:12.59 | abrotman | ribasushi: DO NOT DO THAT |
| 17:13.18 | abrotman | ribasushi: it's pretty obvious he doesn't know what he's doing .. do not tell people to mix stable with other versions |
| 17:13.39 | ribasushi | abrotman: I rather have someone run a mix of stuff as opposed to the gaping hole "stable" is |
| 17:13.46 | ribasushi | but anyway I retreat |
| 17:13.54 | kakazza | I don't think I used dpgk myself yet. Only apt-get |
| 17:14.03 | abrotman | ribasushi: you can fuck up your system however you want .. don't screw up his |
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| 17:15.01 | kakazza | Ok, so following this: |
| 17:15.02 | kakazza | <dpkg> Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>. |
| 17:15.04 | kakazza | I should be fine? |
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| 17:15.19 | kakazza | How would I see things went wrong? :x |
| 17:15.28 | streuner | via upgrade |
| 17:15.35 | streuner | apt/dpkg will tell you |
| 17:15.44 | abrotman | i doubt he'll be fine |
| 17:15.47 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 17:15.47 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 17:15.52 | streuner | too |
| 17:16.37 | streuner | he already told us, that he have a few unstable packages, if he is lucky, he might able to just remove certain packages |
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| 17:17.08 | kakazza | http://paste.debian.net/27871/plain/27871 |
| 17:17.12 | kakazza | These are from unstable |
| 17:17.24 | kakazza | weird mirror that is, wonder what user added that |
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| 17:18.00 | streuner | kakazza: why not just re-install? |
| 17:18.13 | streuner | the system is only a few days old... |
| 17:18.14 | kakazza | It's a vserver with 500MHz :x |
| 17:18.27 | kakazza | and the other 3 owners would probably kill me ;p |
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| 17:18.46 | streuner | well, seems they are clever then |
| 17:18.54 | streuner | to give you root-access |
| 17:19.12 | kakazza | I never used stable myself before :) |
| 17:19.27 | kakazza | always seemed way to much hassle to get things working with old stuff |
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| 17:21.58 | kakazza | With the packages I have atm, is it safe to downgrade to stable again? |
| 17:22.16 | streuner | no |
| 17:22.22 | kakazza | :( |
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| 17:23.10 | streuner | just try what abrotman told you |
| 17:23.35 | streuner | in order to get a "clean" system |
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| 17:26.20 | kakazza | Talking to the others right now, |
| 17:26.21 | kakazza | Thanks so far |
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| 17:26.41 | streuner | good luck |
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| 17:27.14 | kakazza | ^^" |
| 17:27.21 | antonia | hey guys i'm looking to perhaps develop my own function for proposed inclusion in apt, where should i start. Is there an apt api that explains the framework and how to add functions or should i just go for downloading the source and looking through it? |
| 17:27.34 | kakazza | judd: version libss2 |
| 17:27.35 | judd | kakazza: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 17:27.39 | kakazza | judd: versions libss2 |
| 17:27.40 | judd | kakazza: libss2 -- etch: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 etch-security: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 lenny: 1.41.3-1 sid: 1.41.3-1 |
| 17:28.10 | abrotman | kakazza: packages.debian.org/libc6 works also |
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| 17:28.18 | kakazza | oh, ok |
| 17:28.35 | DeFender1031 | hello, i just installed another instance of debian on another partition in my hard drive. when i load it up, there's a problem that the text is gigantic. i've had this exact issue before, and it's an xorg.conf thing. i just need to copy my existing conf file to the other partition. the problem is that i'm having trouble getting it to mount. any ideas? |
| 17:28.42 | kakazza | ii libss2 1.39+1.40-WIP- is what I have, but it was installed from unstable from waht that list told me... |
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| 17:34.33 | raz0 | !fglrx one-liner |
| 17:34.34 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have <non-free sources> in your sources.list. Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or if you get permission denied modprobing fglrx: modprobe -r radeon drm |
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| 17:35.01 | kakazza | btw, who decides what's in etch-backports? |
| 17:35.04 | antonia | no one has any pointers on where to go to start deving for apt, no wiki etc? |
| 17:35.13 | kakazza | Because I really really want one package from unstable. |
| 17:35.23 | kakazza | znc, latest stable is only in debian unstable |
| 17:38.38 | abrotman | antonia: i believe there's a mailing list |
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| 17:40.23 | antonia | abrotman: kk, thanks, only part i'm woried about is weather or not i can edit my own apt within a env, should i make a virtual machine or is there a way to set up a testing enviornment for apt? |
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| 17:40.49 | abrotman | antonia: these are things you should ask them .. having a testing environment is always a good idea though |
| 17:41.56 | antonia | abrotman: kk, should i search debian.org for mailing list? when i google for apt i get a ton of stuff about apartments. . . |
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| 17:42.25 | abrotman | lists.debian.org has a list |
| 17:42.39 | antonia | abrotman: thanks! |
| 17:42.50 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Apt might also help |
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| 17:44.14 | thasp | I installed the 2.6.28 kernel manually from source, and need the kernel headers so I can patch a terrible broadcom wifi card I have, what should I do? |
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| 17:44.32 | thasp | i imagine anything i do with apt will get me headers for 2.6.18, which came with etch |
| 17:44.41 | abrotman | !kp |
| 17:44.41 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps> |
| 17:44.48 | abrotman | which would make you a headers package |
| 17:45.00 | thasp | cool i have kernel-package already thanks |
| 17:45.11 | abrotman | did you have it create a headers package ? |
| 17:45.18 | thasp | i don't remember :( |
| 17:45.35 | thasp | i used it to make the .deb to install the kernel |
| 17:45.47 | thasp | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image was how I did it |
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| 17:51.50 | sosnix | Hello |
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| 17:51.57 | sosnix | how to chceck version of my mplayer? |
| 17:52.07 | abrotman | sosnix: dpkg -l mplayer |
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| 17:53.38 | anewbie | hello :) i install proftp on my debian lenny box and evverything seems ok the netstat -plunt output shows that the ftp listen forn connections on port 21 |
| 17:53.47 | anewbie | but when i attempt to connect |
| 17:53.56 | anewbie | i recive connection refused message |
| 17:54.08 | abrotman | firewall |
| 17:54.08 | anewbie | i dont have iptables deny rules |
| 17:54.09 | anewbie | .. |
| 17:54.24 | anewbie | i use debian lenny and there is no iptables deny rulez |
| 17:54.33 | anewbie | but ... is there possibility to have other firewall |
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| 17:54.37 | abrotman | doesn't have to be on that box |
| 17:54.40 | anewbie | by defaults |
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| 17:54.53 | avu | don't you mean "defaultz"? |
| 17:54.55 | avu | runs |
| 17:55.05 | sosnix | yea how to found path bin to mplayer? |
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| 17:55.26 | avu | sosnix, dpkg -L mplayer | grep bin |
| 17:55.26 | abrotman | !pl |
| 17:55.27 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 17:55.47 | anewbie | any sugestions on that problem |
| 17:55.49 | anewbie | .. ? |
| 17:55.58 | anewbie | i dont have a clue what to do |
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| 17:56.03 | anewbie | everythingg seems to be ok |
| 17:56.06 | anewbie | but it's not |
| 17:56.06 | anewbie | :( |
| 17:56.18 | abrotman | anewbie: fix the firewall |
| 17:56.39 | anewbie | ... but abrotman |
| 17:56.46 | anewbie | when i type sudo iptables --list |
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| 17:56.50 | anewbie | there is no deny rulez |
| 17:56.52 | abrotman | and what? |
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| 17:56.58 | abrotman | why does the firewall have to be on that box ? |
| 17:57.26 | anewbie | hmm it was installed by defaults i even don't know that i have installed iptables |
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| 17:58.32 | sosnix | how to chceck path bin to mplayer? |
| 17:58.47 | anewbie | abrotman what do you mean to fix it |
| 17:58.57 | abrotman | !pl |
| 17:58.57 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 17:58.58 | avu | sosnix, erm, I already told you? |
| 17:59.00 | anewbie | i dont think the problem is there can you tell me how to check that |
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| 17:59.01 | anewbie | ? |
| 17:59.13 | abrotman | anewbie: from the machine .. can you `ftp <IP>` ? |
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| 17:59.19 | sosnix | no o was lost connection |
| 17:59.43 | anewbie | mmm i will try but don know any ftp addres that is available |
| 17:59.55 | abrotman | anewbie: to YOUR server .. from YOUR server |
| 18:00.04 | avu | 18:55 < avu> sosnix, dpkg -L mplayer | grep bin |
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| 18:00.39 | anewbie | abrotman just a sec to try |
| 18:00.54 | anewbie | yes i can |
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| 18:01.07 | sosnix | avu: no packages found matching bin |
| 18:01.15 | abrotman | anewbie: so fix the firewall |
| 18:01.24 | avu | sosnix, you didn't enter the command I told you to enter |
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| 18:02.04 | abrotman | avu: he's not using the debian package, but for some reason refuses to ask #mplayer (i told him the same thing yesterday) |
| 18:02.19 | anewbie | abrotman, |
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| 18:02.26 | anewbie | there's no problem i am connected |
| 18:02.34 | abrotman | good .. problem solved |
| 18:02.39 | avu | abrotman, ah, thanks for sparing me some grief :) |
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| 18:02.57 | anewbie | abrotman, but i still can't connect from outside |
| 18:03.07 | abrotman | anewbie: so fix the firewall |
| 18:03.52 | anewbie | how ?! |
| 18:03.54 | anewbie | :( |
| 18:04.03 | abrotman | i have no idea what firewall you have |
| 18:04.04 | anewbie | i cant find problem in it |
| 18:04.04 | anewbie | :( |
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| 18:04.30 | abrotman | i have no idea what firewall you have |
| 18:04.32 | anewbie | i thing it is iptables |
| 18:04.42 | abrotman | your firewall is a linux box? |
| 18:04.44 | anewbie | but .. i have not install it bymiself |
| 18:04.47 | anewbie | no no no |
| 18:05.00 | anewbie | i am directly connect via static ip to the ISP route |
| 18:05.01 | anewbie | i am directly connect via static ip to the ISP router |
| 18:05.12 | abrotman | so fix your ISP router .. it has a firewall |
| 18:05.28 | anewbie | damn |
| 18:05.34 | anewbie | those bastards |
| 18:05.34 | anewbie | :( |
| 18:05.39 | anewbie | are you sure about that ? |
| 18:05.42 | sosnix | do you know what is path file to bin mencoder |
| 18:06.16 | abrotman | sosnix: go ask #mplayer .. |
| 18:06.59 | sosnix | everybody in this channel are afk ;] |
| 18:07.00 | cahoot | how many places could there reasonably be? two? |
| 18:07.03 | sosnix | in mplayer |
| 18:07.07 | abrotman | sosnix: go ask #mplayer .. |
| 18:07.15 | sosnix | i was been |
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| 18:07.29 | abrotman | sosnix: this is not a #debian problem .. ask #mplayer |
| 18:07.35 | sosnix | in mplayer nobody was answered to my question |
| 18:07.46 | abrotman | not our problem |
| 18:07.49 | sosnix | mencoder is for debian not debian right? |
| 18:07.56 | abrotman | there is NO mencoder in debian |
| 18:07.59 | anewbie | abrotman, do you think i can ....skip the firewall if i change the connection port |
| 18:08.00 | anewbie | ? |
| 18:08.07 | abrotman | anewbie: i doubt it |
| 18:08.16 | sosnix | yes debian have menccoder i was installed! |
| 18:08.27 | avu | by whom? :) |
| 18:08.28 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 18:08.35 | abrotman | sosnix: i told you this the other day |
| 18:08.43 | hdxx | hi, is 1 DVD enough for instal? |
| 18:08.52 | abrotman | hdxx: the netinst is also |
| 18:08.56 | avu | hdxx, far more than enough in fact :) |
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| 18:09.32 | hdxx | ok tnx |
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| 18:12.54 | batman_ramirez | hey... i got a problem with the sound on my user... suddenly.. does not work... only works as a root |
| 18:12.57 | timR | hello everyone |
| 18:13.05 | batman_ramirez | in the gnome sound settings i got this message |
| 18:13.11 | sosnix | i have mencoder! |
| 18:13.16 | timR | i just wonder |
| 18:13.22 | timR | is it very risky |
| 18:13.32 | timR | to switch apt repositories |
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| 18:13.39 | timR | from Lenny to Sid |
| 18:13.59 | cahoot | oh |
| 18:14.01 | cahoot | very |
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| 18:14.09 | batman_ramirez | no volume control gstremer plugin and/or device found |
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| 18:14.39 | timR | cahoot: how much? any personal experience?:) |
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| 18:16.36 | cahoot | timR: on question 1: impossible to answer, on question 2: yes |
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| 18:17.36 | EEE901 | How big must the swap partition be in proportion to the size of RAM for successful suspend to disk? |
| 18:18.13 | EEE901 | SSD space is precious to me and I don't want to create too large of a swap partition. |
| 18:18.41 | timR | cahoot: i came across some websites where it is even recommended to switch to Sid |
| 18:18.59 | batman_ramirez | how much ram do you have |
| 18:19.06 | cahoot | timR: never ever trust anything you read on the net |
| 18:19.12 | timR | cahoot: in order to get fresh soft |
| 18:19.12 | EEE901 | batman_ramirez: 1GB |
| 18:19.23 | EEE901 | cahoot: Unless it's Wikipedia. |
| 18:19.30 | timR | :) |
| 18:19.42 | EEE901 | timR: It was some loser's opinion. |
| 18:19.49 | niere | EEE901: at most 1:1, usually about 1:2 to 3:4 (it depends how good the contents of the ram can be compressed) |
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| 18:19.58 | EEE901 | Debian Lenny is modern and stable and the best choice IMO for most users ATM. |
| 18:20.33 | timR | but i'd like to have KDE4 at last... |
| 18:20.42 | batman_ramirez | it supposed to be 1:1 cause 1 gb is enough |
| 18:20.45 | EEE901 | niere: So 1GB of SWAP with a 1GB of RAM will never fail to hibernate from lack of swap space? |
| 18:20.49 | abrotman | timR: it's only in experimental currently |
| 18:21.13 | timR | but 4.2 is worth of this |
| 18:21.19 | timR | i think... |
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| 18:21.39 | EEE901 | Thank God Lenny will support KDE3. |
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| 18:24.45 | debianisbetterth | trying to install debian on a sparc32 during the cd install it freezes at 32% on detecting the cdrom. Does anyone know of a netboot for sparc32 (i have a boot.img file but it is sparc64 and doesn't work with my sparc32 machines) |
| 18:25.15 | niere | EEE901: hmm, i'm not sure - i'd say no, for the case that more of your swap space than you need for writing the ram contents to disk is in use... |
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| 18:31.42 | debianisbetterth | n/m i found it here http://debian.cs.binghamton.edu/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-sparc/20070308/images/sparc32/netboot/2.6/ |
| 18:31.45 | debianisbetterth | thanks anyway |
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| 18:34.59 | sevele | hello everyone |
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| 18:39.25 | JPT | is there a common source for all thos icons which are used in opensource programs ? |
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| 18:43.43 | timR | does anyone know when KDE4 will be ready in Lenny? |
| 18:43.51 | abrotman | never |
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| 18:45.02 | timR | kind of joke? :> |
| 18:45.10 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:45.41 | arezey | kde4 sucks. |
| 18:46.07 | timR | but there are some modules available |
| 18:46.20 | simonrvn | modules? |
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| 18:46.25 | abrotman | timR: and what? kde4 will very likely never be an official part of lenny |
| 18:47.10 | timR | abrotman: any rational reason? |
| 18:47.15 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 18:47.24 | Ace2016_- | is it possible to check install to ignore errors? |
| 18:47.49 | timR | simonrvn: like "kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" |
| 18:47.56 | abrotman | timR: ask the kde team .. |
| 18:48.39 | abrotman | but probably they thought they didn't have enough time to get it stable/bug-free enough for lenny's release |
| 18:48.41 | timR | abrotman: i thought that decision is made by Debian developers |
| 18:49.03 | abrotman | yes .. the debian kde team .. |
| 18:49.30 | timR | ok, i thought you mean kde team from Trolltech :) |
| 18:49.37 | stoned | trolltech doesn't make kde |
| 18:49.46 | stoned | they make the qt toolkit |
| 18:49.47 | arezey | trolltech makes qt |
| 18:49.54 | themill | trolltech doesn't exist any more |
| 18:50.03 | arezey | that's true too.. |
| 18:50.07 | timR | i know |
| 18:50.12 | Ace2016_- | arezey: are you using kde 4.2? because 4.2 does not suck |
| 18:50.16 | timR | it's part of Nokia now |
| 18:50.28 | stoned | Qt Software (formerly known as Trolltech and as Quasar Technologies) is a computer software company from Oslo, Norway |
| 18:50.39 | stoned | simply known as Qt software now |
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| 18:50.41 | Ace2016_- | thats where opera is from |
| 18:50.47 | Ace2016_- | no wonder opera uses qt |
| 18:50.49 | stoned | from norway? |
| 18:50.53 | Ace2016_- | i think so |
| 18:50.55 | stoned | I thought opera was from vienna |
| 18:51.05 | arezey | stoned, no, opera's from oslo |
| 18:51.06 | stoned | or italy or something |
| 18:51.13 | timR | opera is from italy |
| 18:51.14 | stoned | you mean the browser or music? |
| 18:51.18 | stoned | wtf |
| 18:51.22 | stoned | confused |
| 18:51.23 | Ace2016_- | their hq is in oslo norway |
| 18:51.23 | arezey | hahahah |
| 18:51.37 | arezey | ace2016_-, well, i tried it for a couple of weeks and didn't like... |
| 18:51.40 | stoned | opera uses qt? |
| 18:51.42 | Ace2016_- | http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2005/04/21/ |
| 18:51.45 | arezey | stoned, yep |
| 18:51.47 | abrotman | yes, opera is a Qt app |
| 18:51.51 | abrotman | but it' snot from italy |
| 18:51.53 | stoned | hmm didn't knkow that |
| 18:51.56 | timR | no, opera uses singers and musicians... |
| 18:51.59 | arezey | heh |
| 18:52.53 | timR | let's start flame - Firefox sucks... |
| 18:53.13 | newsense | kde4 sucks the big one |
| 18:53.19 | Ace2016_- | nope, 4.2 is good |
| 18:53.22 | newsense | oops |
| 18:53.24 | Ace2016_- | 4.2 should be better |
| 18:53.28 | Ace2016_- | 4.3* |
| 18:53.43 | stoned | im happy with xp pro |
| 18:53.47 | stoned | :) |
| 18:53.54 | physicspackage | Don't fweed da trolls |
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| 18:54.01 | stoned | debian sucks |
| 18:54.03 | stoned | xp ftw |
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| 18:54.11 | timR | xp pro - less stable than Sid? :) |
| 18:54.25 | stoned | bleh |
| 18:54.27 | stoned | I can't troll. |
| 18:54.38 | stoned | I try to, but never was able to |
| 18:54.40 | physicspackage | ok that's it |
| 18:54.43 | stoned | I suck at it |
| 18:55.10 | physicspackage | Say notin about debian. :) |
| 18:55.50 | stoned | transferring 500gb to another disk, gonna reformat this as ext3 under etch |
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| 18:56.00 | stoned | I want 128byte inodes |
| 18:56.09 | stoned | otherwise I can't mount it older OSes |
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| 18:56.13 | alexises | hi |
| 18:56.14 | stoned | its a pain |
| 18:56.16 | stoned | hi |
| 18:56.20 | arezey | hi |
| 18:56.25 | alexises | how to post a bug about a debian package |
| 18:56.32 | stoned | alexises, use reportbug |
| 18:56.32 | arezey | reportbug |
| 18:56.42 | stoned | alexises, install reporgbug, and follow the onscreen prompts |
| 18:56.45 | physicspackage | Lots of files! |
| 18:56.50 | alexises | have you a link pliz |
| 18:56.58 | stoned | alexises, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 18:57.02 | stoned | here on irc |
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| 18:57.17 | alexises | it's excelent :) |
| 18:58.10 | stoned | I'm listening to the Spawn Soundtrack, from way back in the day |
| 18:58.16 | stoned | like 1997 or something |
| 18:58.42 | stoned | about when I heavily got into linux... old memories.. remeniscing |
| 18:58.45 | stoned | ahhhh boy |
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| 19:00.40 | stoned | On June 5th, 2008 Nokiaâs voluntary tender offer is approved for all the shares in Trolltech. Nokia announced, on 17 June 2008, that it has completed its acquisition of Trolltech. On September 30th, 2008, Trolltech was renamed as Qt Software, and Qtopia has been renamed as Qt Extended. |
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| 19:02.15 | timR | stoned: thank you for this press note |
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| 19:02.24 | stoned | sure |
| 19:02.37 | alexises | i send a mail to the maintener because i don't understand how to post a bug |
| 19:02.53 | stoned | alexises, its pretty easy if you just use your head ab it |
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| 19:03.04 | stoned | !reportbug |
| 19:03.04 | dpkg | it has been said that reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting Ask me about <report-bugs>. |
| 19:03.09 | alexises | it's a bug on the pakagin |
| 19:03.18 | alexises | *packagin |
| 19:03.22 | stoned | you install it, run it, follow onscreen prompts. |
| 19:03.32 | stoned | how hard could it be, I'm sure you can read :) |
| 19:03.56 | stoned | see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug |
| 19:03.59 | alexises | the maintner forger to include a file in the package |
| 19:04.09 | stoned | which package? which file? |
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| 19:05.35 | alexises | libircclient.dev on unstable version the file needed is libirc_rfcnumeric.h on /usr/include/libircclient |
| 19:05.47 | stoned | I se |
| 19:06.02 | stoned | I would file a bug |
| 19:06.08 | stoned | email is ok, but file a bug |
| 19:06.09 | alexises | :) |
| 19:06.24 | alexises | ? |
| 19:06.42 | alexises | sorry i don't understand what would you say |
| 19:07.19 | stoned | use reportbug. File an actual bug, don't just email the maintainer, but whatever, its upto you |
| 19:08.19 | timR | i think reportbut is better option |
| 19:08.39 | alexises | i'm agree with you but i don't understand how to use it :) |
| 19:08.42 | timR | that's why developers created it :) |
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| 19:09.02 | stoned | yes, but you're not even attempting to understand it |
| 19:09.05 | stoned | you're a lazy bum! |
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| 19:09.13 | stoned | "the bums will always lose lebowski!" |
| 19:09.26 | timR | stoned is really stoned :) |
| 19:10.30 | stoned | timR, you've never seen the big lebowski? |
| 19:10.36 | abrotman | !ot |
| 19:10.37 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 19:10.49 | stoned | greatest movie ever! |
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| 19:12.15 | nsadmin | alexises look at other bug reports; most of them come right to the point, are very specific, show versions of everything involved, and many times include a solution |
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| 19:12.38 | stoned | timR, #debian-chat |
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| 19:15.35 | sprax_ | I have an old laptop with no CD or floppy. It does have a working installation of windows. Is there a way I can write something to the boot sector to get it to launch the debian installer? |
| 19:15.54 | RichardBronosky | I feel a little silly asking this, but... sometimes when I install a package, I have no idea what it did. How do you go about seeing what got installed? |
| 19:16.07 | nsadmin | or if you want to fight go to #debian-spat, into baseball? #debian-bat... want to tell a secret about someone? #debian-rat... on a diet? #debian-fat |
| 19:16.11 | arezey | richardbronosky, apt-file |
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| 19:16.37 | nsadmin | RichardBronosky: dpkg -L <package> |
| 19:17.01 | RichardBronosky | No man for apt-file |
| 19:17.15 | nsadmin | you'd have to install it |
| 19:17.53 | RichardBronosky | nsadmin: dpkg is what I wanted, thanks. |
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| 19:18.11 | nsadmin | also see other tricks it can do: dpkg --help |
| 19:18.32 | RichardBronosky | I've been in RHEL hell for the past 2 years, so I've forgot my apt |
| 19:18.52 | arezey | what's RHEL? |
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| 19:19.03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Red Hat Enterprise Linux. |
| 19:19.07 | arezey | ah |
| 19:19.31 | nsadmin | randy holes eating lobster |
| 19:19.36 | alexises | nsadmin, i have look it :) they have no bugs for the packae |
| 19:19.57 | myeggo | good evening |
| 19:19.58 | scorche | !rhel |
| 19:19.58 | dpkg | i guess rhel is Red Hat Enterprise Linux (often abbreviated to RHEL) is a Linux distribution produced by Red Hat and targeted toward the commercial market. Red Hat undertakes to support each release of RHEL for 7 years after it first appears. New releases of RHEL come out every 18 months. As customers only pay for support, when Red Hat releases a new version of RHEL during the support period, customers may upgrade to it for no additional charge. |
| 19:19.59 | nsadmin | you can look at other package bug reports |
| 19:20.11 | myeggo | what is the most popular msn client apart of pidgin or amsn? |
| 19:20.34 | arezey | kopete? |
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| 19:20.46 | RichardBronosky | So, I guess I should just be more direct and ask want I really want. (trying to get the framebuffer to work in a debian VM) I've gotten to step 3 here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652038 |
| 19:20.49 | Gigantic | I have you a challenge: |
| 19:20.49 | myeggo | is kopete a multiplatform? |
| 19:20.50 | nsadmin | myeggo: /msg dpkg polls |
| 19:20.51 | Gigantic | ... f my Internet connection stuck every 7 mins for 10 secs, 3 different applications fail, this would make it look as if the connection had indeed, some issue... But then you find out that other 2 people in different parts of the world are being affected the same way at the very same moment, how could it be a local ISP issue then? |
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| 19:21.02 | sosnix | Hello! |
| 19:21.03 | RichardBronosky | but I don't know the non-ubuntu equivilent. |
| 19:21.07 | Gigantic | at this point I am lost |
| 19:21.19 | myeggo | sorry ah |
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| 19:21.26 | myeggo | i didnt know that |
| 19:21.28 | RichardBronosky | for update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 19:21.50 | nsadmin | myeggo: there's a package called popcon |
| 19:22.13 | xoz | Gigantic: what apps? |
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| 19:22.34 | Gigantic | xoz: Amarok, streamripper and wine |
| 19:22.46 | arezey | wine running what? |
| 19:22.51 | Gigantic | a game |
| 19:22.51 | nsadmin | wine doing what? |
| 19:22.58 | Gigantic | WoW |
| 19:23.06 | nsadmin | multiplayer? |
| 19:23.09 | Gigantic | yes |
| 19:23.19 | nsadmin | ok, so that involves the net |
| 19:23.25 | alexises | bug send |
| 19:23.27 | Gigantic | but, I get the problem even with just one of those apps runing |
| 19:23.48 | nsadmin | what is it the other 2 people have in common with you |
| 19:23.53 | xoz | Gigantic: and the other people has same issues? |
| 19:24.07 | Gigantic | it is an mmorpg... I found out 2 other peep having same issue at the same time one in Australia other one in Ohio |
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| 19:24.33 | nsadmin | and what they have in common is they play the game? |
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| 19:24.41 | Gigantic | yes, streamripper fail to retrieve signal and stops... amarok radio stream also freeze for a few secs |
| 19:24.58 | Gigantic | nothing in common that's the point |
| 19:25.09 | xoz | Gigantic: maybe same side of the world? |
| 19:25.11 | nsadmin | what kind of gateway do you use? |
| 19:25.14 | Gigantic | I could just be runing any of those |
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| 19:25.25 | xoz | Gigantic: how often? |
| 19:25.38 | nsadmin | every 7 mins? |
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| 19:25.51 | Gigantic | adsl modem with dmzplus, also tried 3 different modems of two brands |
| 19:25.57 | xoz | Gigantic: next time it happens, run a traceroute and check which gateway it stopped |
| 19:26.16 | Gigantic | every 7 minutes sharp, for a period of time that can vary between 3 secs and 2 mins |
| 19:26.21 | Gigantic | usually about 10 |
| 19:26.33 | xoz | Gigantic: but still you can browse the net? |
| 19:26.38 | Gigantic | xoz: it tops at the modem |
| 19:26.43 | Gigantic | no |
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| 19:27.00 | xoz | Gigantic: it maybe an ISP problem then. |
| 19:27.00 | nsadmin | so all of your net connection fails |
| 19:27.12 | Gigantic | I really lose (get stuck) in my Internet connection |
| 19:27.15 | Gigantic | yes |
| 19:27.24 | Gigantic | I have been blaming the ISP |
| 19:27.27 | nsadmin | what kind of connection? |
| 19:27.55 | Gigantic | but yesterday I found out using the game, 2 peep having same isue in different parts of the world... so how could it be an isp issue? |
| 19:27.59 | xoz | Gigantic: what router are you using? are you running any bittorrent? it maybe possible your router is overloaded and drops the packet. |
| 19:28.02 | Gigantic | ADSL |
| 19:28.10 | xoz | Gigantic: and it recovers after 7 minutes. |
| 19:28.19 | valdyn | Gigantic: can you change your non-debian router? |
| 19:28.43 | Gigantic | xoz: yes, I use tor and mldonkey, but that is just running while I am sleeping, rest of the day they are off |
| 19:29.01 | Gigantic | valdyn: what you mean? |
| 19:29.03 | xoz | Gigantic: just forget the 2 people. that's a coincedence only. |
| 19:29.22 | Gigantic | weird coincidence dont you think |
| 19:29.32 | Gigantic | and syncronised... |
| 19:29.36 | valdyn | Gigantic: change is in "use a different router" |
| 19:29.57 | Gigantic | valdyn: used two different 2wire modems and a Westell |
| 19:29.58 | nsadmin | so when you go down they go down? |
| 19:30.01 | xoz | Gigantic: i suspect it is a router problem. |
| 19:30.01 | Gigantic | same thing |
| 19:30.07 | valdyn | Gigantic: im not talking about modems |
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| 19:30.10 | Gigantic | my router? |
| 19:30.13 | xoz | Gigantic: what brand of router? |
| 19:30.17 | valdyn | Gigantic: maybe your "modem" has a router builtin |
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| 19:30.24 | valdyn | Gigantic: i wouldnt know about that |
| 19:30.31 | Gigantic | I dont have a router between, my router is my modem that's all |
| 19:30.44 | xoz | Gigantic: your modem is also a router. |
| 19:30.48 | Gigantic | yes |
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| 19:31.00 | joesmoje | i'm receive a segfault when trying to start vmware workstation 6.5.1 in sid. http://dpaste.com/117698/ any thoughts? |
| 19:31.13 | xoz | Gigantic: what modem brand? |
| 19:31.13 | Gigantic | tried bto bridge it too, no changes |
| 19:31.27 | Gigantic | xoz: 2 different 2Wire and one Westell |
| 19:31.28 | valdyn | Gigantic: so its another router |
| 19:31.33 | valdyn | Gigantic: one that is not close to you |
| 19:31.53 | Gigantic | valdyn: it is a home connection... |
| 19:31.56 | xoz | Gigantic: flaky chipset i would think. |
| 19:32.09 | valdyn | Gigantic: yes, sure, so? |
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| 19:32.10 | Gigantic | modem chipset? o.O |
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| 19:32.33 | valdyn | Gigantic: run mtr <hostname>, when your traffic is "stuck", check where mtr gets stuck |
| 19:32.39 | Gigantic | valdyn: what other router? sorry... you mean the Juniper or whatever they use? |
| 19:32.42 | xoz | Gigantic: if the connection stops from the modem itself and you cannot reach the internet, the problem is from your ISP or to your local modem. |
| 19:32.51 | valdyn | Gigantic: i mean some router is the big wide internet |
| 19:32.59 | valdyn | Gigantic: i mean some router *in* the big wide internet |
| 19:33.03 | Gigantic | valdyn: ok, will try mtr |
| 19:33.19 | Gigantic | valdyn: WAN |
| 19:33.36 | xoz | Gigantic: can you still communicate to the gateway of the ISP when this thing occurs. |
| 19:33.55 | Gigantic | xoz: yes... I was thinking the same... but finding those peep make me doubth a lot |
| 19:34.03 | Gigantic | xoz: no |
| 19:34.12 | xoz | Gigantic: so it is your modem. |
| 19:34.29 | valdyn | Gigantic: |
| 19:34.31 | valdyn | ops |
| 19:34.31 | hdxx | hi, when i want to update system it stuck. here http://pastebin.com/m15b86933 .. what could be wrong ? |
| 19:34.32 | xoz | Gigantic: or your ISP cuts you. can you still get an IP address? |
| 19:34.36 | valdyn | but he already switched modems |
| 19:34.42 | valdyn | so its something like his cabling |
| 19:35.04 | xoz | Gigantic: check if you have still a valid IP if this thing occurs. |
| 19:35.08 | nsadmin | does your modem have lights? |
| 19:35.18 | xoz | Gigantic: if you have no valid IP, your ISP cuts your connection. |
| 19:35.22 | Gigantic | today a tech said hes going to switch me 'ports' but he filed to explain wtf he meant by 'ports' |
| 19:35.38 | valdyn | Gigantic: that means you get different hardware on their side |
| 19:35.47 | Gigantic | I bet he just want to plug me to a diff node in the pot |
| 19:35.51 | valdyn | Gigantic: the dslam or whatever talks to your dsl modem |
| 19:36.03 | nsadmin | does your modem have lights? |
| 19:36.31 | nsadmin | and do these lights show the status of your connection? |
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| 19:36.46 | xoz | Gigantic: possible your ISP cuts your connection. they may have problems maintaining your connection. |
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| 19:37.10 | Gigantic | nsadmin: yes dude, but the disconnection usually last less than 10 secs so the light status dont change, 10% of the times aprox. it indeed show no connection to the ATM |
| 19:37.23 | valdyn | hdxx: does it always segfault at the same spot? |
| 19:37.25 | joesmoje | hdxx: i'm having random segfaults, too. no one seems to know anything |
| 19:37.31 | Gigantic | xoz: yeah, I was thinking they may have over sell lines in the area |
| 19:37.35 | maligor | poor signal? |
| 19:37.39 | xoz | Gigantic: so change to a new ISP. |
| 19:37.47 | valdyn | joesmoje: random segfault means broken hardware |
| 19:37.56 | Gigantic | xoz: only isp in the country >.> apart from cable |
| 19:38.03 | valdyn | joesmoje: theres no other probability, question is if its really random |
| 19:38.07 | hdxx | valdyn, nop sometimes stuck at 36%, sometimes 38% etc.. |
| 19:38.11 | nsadmin | get cable :) |
| 19:38.17 | valdyn | hdxx: broken hardware |
| 19:38.20 | xoz | Gigantic: oh well, you have to live with it then for a while. |
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| 19:38.30 | joesmoje | heh |
| 19:38.32 | maligor | nsadmin, yeah, docom 3.0 is nice |
| 19:38.34 | hdxx | valdyn, other distros worked fine |
| 19:38.39 | Gigantic | yeah :P I pay 30 dlls a month for 1G... cable cost me 70 for 756 >.> |
| 19:38.50 | valdyn | hdxx: you hardly tested those distros extensively |
| 19:39.02 | maligor | err.. docsis |
| 19:39.18 | valdyn | hdxx: reboot, see if apt-get still crashes at all |
| 19:39.35 | Gigantic | but what really freaked me out is other people in other isp networks having same issue syncronized to mine... isnt that too much of a coinsidence? |
| 19:39.41 | valdyn | hdxx: if you dont change anything significant apt-get might hit about the same part of your faulty ram each time, for instance |
| 19:39.49 | nsadmin | it could be |
| 19:39.51 | maligor | Gigantic, locally? |
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| 19:40.03 | Gigantic | 3 didfferent countries :d |
| 19:40.06 | nsadmin | all events synced? |
| 19:40.09 | Gigantic | yes |
| 19:40.12 | xoz | Gigantic: having millions of users, statistically, you will see coincidence. |
| 19:40.28 | Gigantic | too much coincidence imho |
| 19:40.31 | nsadmin | so they go down when you go down, and they go up when you go up? |
| 19:40.36 | Gigantic | yes |
| 19:40.42 | Gigantic | exactly |
| 19:40.49 | xoz | Gigantic: so, if you are not using these apps, you will not be cut-off? |
| 19:40.57 | maligor | Gigantic, you prefer divine intervention? god is touching 3 adsl lines and dropping them? |
| 19:40.58 | Gigantic | now you see what I mean? |
| 19:41.28 | xoz | Gigantic: if you want to prove your hypothesis, we can conduct a step-by-step experiment. you can focus on what application. |
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| 19:41.41 | Gigantic | maligor: I dont knwo.. that's why I am lost |
| 19:41.41 | Gigantic | maybe it is just a Karma issue... |
| 19:41.45 | nsadmin | I'm guessing here... but I think you should verify the sync thing more |
| 19:42.03 | maligor | Gigantic, what modem is it? |
| 19:42.26 | Gigantic | ok, you are right I should research much more about their connections |
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| 19:42.39 | xoz | Gigantic: i still think that since you looses the connection locally, the culprit is your ISP. |
| 19:42.48 | maligor | or modem |
| 19:42.53 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to list down active screen in debian? |
| 19:42.58 | maligor | or the cables |
| 19:43.25 | Gigantic | diff modems, diff countries, diff isp, diff systems, diff apps, different peep, even diferent sex geese |
| 19:43.26 | xoz | yeah, start from the basic. connection, cable, modem. use traceroute, ping, etc. |
| 19:43.30 | nsadmin | if your modem is also a router then it has an ip, which it DHCPs to your internal machines as "gateway" |
| 19:43.44 | Gigantic | I already did that |
| 19:43.47 | nsadmin | you should try to ping that |
| 19:43.51 | maligor | Gigantic, then I wouldn't worry about it, heh |
| 19:43.57 | Gigantic | did, ping get stuck too |
| 19:44.07 | Gigantic | >.< |
| 19:44.10 | xoz | ping the gateway of ISP, if no connection, your ISP cuts you. |
| 19:44.20 | nsadmin | well maybe. |
| 19:44.26 | Gigantic | my isp gateway dont respond pings looks like |
| 19:44.42 | valdyn | Gigantic: that means that you are loosing connection to your isp |
| 19:44.49 | nsadmin | Gigantic: one thing, you've been here for longer than 7 mins |
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| 19:45.03 | xoz | that is my observation also :) |
| 19:45.10 | valdyn | Gigantic: which again means that their or your modem terminated the connection, most likely |
| 19:45.20 | Gigantic | * apt-get install mtr |
| 19:45.53 | Gigantic | nsadmin: yep, but right now I lose connection for just 2 secs... |
| 19:46.03 | simonrvn | rhineheart_m: what kind of screen? gnu screen? your monitor? what? |
| 19:46.17 | nsadmin | Gigantic: does your modem/gateway have its own IP? |
| 19:46.23 | Gigantic | yes |
| 19:46.28 | rhineheart_m | CLI screen simonrvn |
| 19:46.28 | Gigantic | not nated |
| 19:46.35 | hdxx | valdyn, i changed server and now works Oo.. seems like slovenian servers have prblems |
| 19:46.43 | valdyn | hdxx: no |
| 19:46.44 | xoz | i used to have a linksys wireless router and it doesn't like bittorrent.... after several minutes, it will drop packets and my bandwidth goes down to zero until it recovers.... |
| 19:46.55 | nsadmin | so it also has a nated addr? |
| 19:47.12 | valdyn | hdxx: thats silly, blaming a broken debian mirror for a segfault |
| 19:47.15 | nsadmin | take a look at your default route... what is the gateway address? |
| 19:47.23 | simonrvn | rhineheart_m: i.e., `screen(1)' ? |
| 19:47.24 | rhineheart_m | xoz, I had similar problem like yours before not until I changed to buffalo whr-hp-g54 router |
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| 19:47.34 | hdxx | valdyn, i changed "si" to "de" and now works |
| 19:47.50 | valdyn | hdxx: you also ran at least one program, an editor |
| 19:47.56 | nsadmin | put em together... you get "side" |
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| 19:48.28 | nsadmin | or "desi" |
| 19:48.38 | Gigantic | nsadmin: xoz: I wonder that maybe we have in common using p2p networks, maybe our isps are doing something to 'drop' our connection... or may it be that I have been tricked by them... I am going to research about thir systems and connection, Thank you for the support :) |
| 19:48.42 | xoz | rhineheart_m: very stupid hardware... just when you are about to finish downloading, you cannot finish it because it will just get stuck. |
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| 19:49.17 | nsadmin | Gigantic: could be... |
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| 19:49.33 | nsadmin | try not using them for like 6 months |
| 19:49.34 | valdyn | warcraft 3 can crash some routers, theres plenty funny issues like that with crappy routers |
| 19:49.44 | rhineheart_m | xoz, right after that...I sold all my linksys that are not compatible with dd-wrt.. now..I'm using dd-wrt for almost a year without any problem.. |
| 19:49.49 | xoz | Gigantic: which would somehow explain the coincidence. the ISPs have similar motives... drop the bandwidth of those p2ps. |
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| 19:49.52 | simonrvn | screen --help ... |
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| 19:50.10 | sprax_ | Is there a public PXE boot site for debian? |
| 19:50.28 | valdyn | thats a neat idea, heh |
| 19:50.59 | valdyn | i doubt it can work though |
| 19:51.11 | xoz | yeah, public PXE should be cool. expecially for netbooks. |
| 19:51.14 | abrotman | doesn't the pxe look for the boot server ? |
| 19:51.14 | nsadmin | what's dd-wrt? |
| 19:51.18 | davi | Which is the default filesystem type for the Debian GNU/Linux 'lenny' installation? Is ext3 yet? |
| 19:51.21 | Gigantic | yep |
| 19:51.43 | sprax_ | well |
| 19:51.48 | sprax_ | 1 sec |
| 19:51.54 | nsadmin | Gigantic: so you don't do nat inside? |
| 19:51.54 | simonrvn | loves it when he gets ignored |
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| 19:52.06 | xoz | dd-wrt, opensource firmware for linksys |
| 19:52.07 | Gigantic | nsadmin: no nat |
| 19:52.08 | nsadmin | what's it? |
| 19:52.19 | sprax_ | yeah, bummer, the NIC has options |
| 19:52.20 | Gigantic | cable does nat here I think tho |
| 19:52.21 | sprax_ | but |
| 19:52.21 | nsadmin | how many machines inside? |
| 19:52.29 | sprax_ | none to specify a TFTP server |
| 19:52.33 | sprax_ | oh well, nice idea I guess |
| 19:52.52 | valdyn | sprax_: theres no tcp-ip stack on that thing |
| 19:52.54 | Gigantic | 1 |
| 19:52.56 | nsadmin | maybe your modem is -not- a router |
| 19:53.03 | Gigantic | lols it is |
| 19:53.11 | Gigantic | spaeciallt the Westell |
| 19:53.25 | sprax_ | valdyn this old dell has an option to boot from PXE or TCP/IP |
| 19:53.26 | nsadmin | what are you running now? |
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| 19:53.30 | sprax_ | but the only options are DHCP and BOOTP |
| 19:53.39 | Gigantic | anyhow tried bridge too and let Debian manage the whole thing |
| 19:53.57 | xoz | Gigantic: if the behavior of two modems are similar, then shoot the ISP :) |
| 19:54.11 | Gigantic | xoz: 3 modems |
| 19:54.14 | Gigantic | actually |
| 19:54.48 | Gigantic | xoz nsadmin : I think that is a good idea not to use tor/p2p for 6 months and see |
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| 19:55.14 | Gigantic | I dont see any more probable option |
| 19:55.57 | xoz | Gigantic: yep. check if your ISP is shaping your bandwidth. most ISPs are aware about the p2p eating their bandwidth so they have to drop your packets to slow you down. |
| 19:56.02 | nsadmin | that's definitely in common to the others? |
| 19:56.25 | valdyn | xoz: most isps where ? not here. |
| 19:57.01 | xoz | valdyn: singapore :) |
| 19:57.27 | sprax_ | so there is no way to kick off the installer from within windows eh? |
| 19:57.28 | Gigantic | nsadmin: that's what I am going to research |
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| 19:57.32 | Gigantic | haha |
| 19:58.04 | Gigantic | well one of them is in Ohio, other one in Australia and I am in America... |
| 19:58.08 | nsadmin | sprax_ no the installer boots a whole different os |
| 19:58.09 | Gigantic | Mexico |
| 19:58.15 | Gigantic | so... dunno |
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| 19:58.22 | sprax_ | argh |
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| 19:58.26 | sprax_ | google to the rescue |
| 19:58.30 | sprax_ | who woulda thought? |
| 19:58.37 | sprax_ | I mean, it sounds kinda nuts to want to do this... |
| 19:58.39 | xoz | Gigantic: you can call them. here, they really admit they firewall the ports. |
| 19:58.48 | sprax_ | but there is a way |
| 19:58.49 | sprax_ | very cool |
| 19:59.06 | sprax_ | can I post a URL or will a bot kickban me? |
| 19:59.13 | Gigantic | sprax_: PXE is to load an OS from a remote machine istead of installing one locally |
| 19:59.18 | abrotman | goodbye-windows.com |
| 19:59.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !abrotman |
| 19:59.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?", or known for his often misinterpreted sense of humour, or one of the few nicks you can complete with left hand and four presses |
| 19:59.42 | myeggo | lol |
| 19:59.50 | sprax_ | Gigantic we use it at work for windows installs, I was hoping there would be such a thing as a public site, but it seems the protocol doesn't allow it |
| 20:00.05 | Gigantic | xoz: ew... hnere they dont even know when the server is down due to an outage >.> until like 2 weeks after |
| 20:00.07 | pobega | Anyone use wxPython with Debian testing? I can't seem to get it to work...Just /msg me if you use wxPython within Debian |
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| 20:00.50 | abrotman | pobega: or just ask her |
| 20:00.51 | abrotman | here |
| 20:00.52 | nsadmin | pobega: not sure... but probably won't work that way... so I'm guessing you use wxpython with debian testing... |
| 20:00.57 | Gigantic | the real question is: Is Abrotman sexy enough to show up in our 2009 calendar? |
| 20:01.10 | Eulex | OF COURSE |
| 20:01.10 | Eulex | ! |
| 20:01.14 | Gigantic | vite.. yes, no |
| 20:01.26 | pobega | Well, I'm doing `import wx` but it can't find any of the functions...And I'm using the most up to date wxPython docs |
| 20:01.37 | pobega | I'm wondering if it's a Debian quirk, because it works for my friend on Gentoo |
| 20:01.46 | Gigantic | sprax_: public site? for net isntalls? |
| 20:02.19 | sprax_ | Gigantic yeah |
| 20:02.27 | Gigantic | think that is controlled by the bios directly tho |
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| 20:02.34 | abrotman | pobega: there are two pythonwx packages in debian |
| 20:02.39 | abrotman | erm .. in lenny |
| 20:02.43 | Gigantic | sprax_: lols that's against the eula gg |
| 20:02.45 | sprax_ | the BIOS in the NIC does a DHCP request |
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| 20:03.09 | Gigantic | but you can always use LTSP ;d |
| 20:03.09 | sprax_ | and one of the things DHCP can send back is the IP of a TFTP server |
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| 20:03.34 | pobega | abrotman: well, which is the proper one to use? Do you know? I'm trying to compile: http://wiki.wxpython.org/AnotherTutorial#head-6d22083032133d8d4e1416b0d9ddaf0e7e958cee |
| 20:03.38 | Gigantic | yeah... so what is wrong |
| 20:03.38 | pobega | abrotman: but it refuses to work... |
| 20:03.53 | sprax_ | It's a scope option in win DHCP, don't know what it is in real DHCP |
| 20:04.20 | Gigantic | aah |
| 20:04.38 | abrotman | pobega: are you sure the module is 'wx' ? (there's also a #debian-python on oftc) |
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| 20:04.56 | sprax_ | what would be really cool though is if there was a public netboot site |
| 20:05.07 | sprax_ | and all I had to do was get my DHCP server to hand out the IP to my clients |
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| 20:05.28 | pobega | abrotman: as I said, the same snippet of code worked fine for my friend on Gentoo...Maybe I'll head to #debian-python, I hope it isn't dead. |
| 20:05.47 | hjb | Hi. How can i set an inital xrandr configuration? |
| 20:06.07 | hjb | i have two outputs, VGA-0 and DVI-0 |
| 20:06.17 | abrotman | pobega: i just tried the sample app at the top of that page .. worked fine |
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| 20:06.32 | hjb | VGA-0 should get configured to 1024x768, left of DVI-0 @ 1280x1024 |
| 20:06.34 | pobega | abrotman: I wonder why it isn't working for me...what packages do you have installed? |
| 20:06.35 | sprax_ | but I guess if I was going to go through that much trouble, I may as well setup TFTP here on another system and just serve the boot image myself |
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| 20:06.52 | sprax_ | no matter, this goodbye microsoft thing ought to do the job |
| 20:06.54 | sprax_ | thanks everyone |
| 20:07.11 | abrotman | pobega: http://paste.debian.net/27878/ |
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| 20:53.34 | tyler_wylie | Hello! I'm trying to install Debian stable via USB key on a headless server(No graphics port, everything is done over console), and I was wondering what are the default (a)getty settings Debian uses. |
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| 20:55.23 | nick4 | I want to backup my Debian installation to restore it later. So I just use a livecd, login as root and then tar-bz2 the whole partition (it's arround 8GB). Is this the right way? |
| 20:55.47 | nick4 | I am excluding dd because I actually want to re-partition the whole drive |
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| 20:58.50 | mc68040 | nick4: i use dump/restore for ext2/ext3 filesystems |
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| 21:08.43 | lumis | quick question, I was using a 350w PSU in one of my towers (AMD Athlon 64 x2;) /proc/cpuinfo clocked the CPU at 1000MHz. Now with a new 750w PSU, it's still clocked at 1Ghz; should be 2.8 :/ |
| 21:09.20 | lumis | I assumed the low clock speed was due to insufficient power, but... |
| 21:09.20 | valdyn | lumis: why would this issue have anything to do with the psu? |
| 21:09.47 | arezey | how the cpu is clocked depends on the cpu, not the power supply |
| 21:09.52 | lumis | valdyn: I assumed the low clockspeed was due to insufficient power |
| 21:10.08 | lumis | but then my hardware knowledge is a bit limited |
| 21:10.11 | valdyn | lumis: is this a debian default install? |
| 21:10.33 | valdyn | lumis: or is it even debian, as debian does not do any cpu scaling by default? |
| 21:10.33 | lumis | actually it's Ubuntu, should really be asking in #ubuntu |
| 21:10.36 | lumis | soryr ;) |
| 21:10.41 | lumis | sorry** |
| 21:10.45 | valdyn | lumis: i think its all ok though |
| 21:10.53 | arezey | !ubuntu |
| 21:10.53 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:10.57 | valdyn | lumis: run something that loads the cpu and watch frequency go up |
| 21:11.07 | valdyn | lumis: like glxgears |
| 21:11.26 | lumis | arezey: I know that :) |
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| 21:11.40 | Gm4n | Is there a way to mount a folder over another one, instead of a whole device? |
| 21:11.56 | valdyn | Gm4n: man mount |
| 21:12.02 | valdyn | Gm4n: see the bind option |
| 21:12.05 | lumis | Gm4n: bind |
| 21:12.09 | mc68040 | Gm4n: -bind option? |
| 21:12.15 | lumis | heh |
| 21:12.15 | Gm4n | thanks :) |
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| 21:24.08 | zigovr | hi all, does the default kernel in debian etch support SMP ? |
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| 21:24.28 | zigovr | I'm trying debian etch in a KVM with -smp 2 option, but only one CPU is seen |
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| 21:24.39 | csc_ | question for experts |
| 21:24.40 | csc_ | given a device , how can i know if it's removable or not removable? doing "cat /sys/block/<device>/removable" always says 0 with both non-removable and removable device (kernel 2.6.27). it's not reliable |
| 21:25.29 | zigovr | ok I looked into the config ok the kernel, SMP isn't installed, there's a particular package to install to get the SMP kernel ? |
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| 21:30.07 | romel | hello guys! how can I find out where zlib (zlib1g) is installed? |
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| 21:30.17 | simonrvn | zigovr: look for i686 kernels or -smp ones |
| 21:30.35 | zigovr | ok thanks simonrvn |
| 21:30.36 | lumis | romel locate zlib ? |
| 21:30.44 | simonrvn | romel: it should be already. where is in man dpkg (hint, -L) |
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| 21:31.02 | romel | thanks a lot! :) |
| 21:31.15 | helo | what are the instructions to switch to a raid1 on a live system (with one unused hard disk) |
| 21:31.31 | simonrvn | zlib1g is installed in the base install.... |
| 21:32.29 | magyar | i think lenny should not be released with 2.6.26 |
| 21:32.53 | simonrvn | helo: longer than can be given over irc. http://tldp.org/ |
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| 21:33.57 | simonrvn | magyar: that's nice. now go file a bug saying why you think so. |
| 21:34.19 | magyar | simonrvn: there is plenty already |
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| 21:34.35 | simonrvn | so start reading now |
| 21:35.23 | magyar | and most of them are pushed in to "Try it with 2.6.28" |
| 21:35.28 | magyar | thats a good resolution |
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| 21:42.33 | simonrvn | magyar: well .26 was OK for most things. newer hardware will suffer obviously. |
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| 21:44.26 | magyar | simonrvn: hmm, broke some good old ide stuff also |
| 21:44.47 | helo | also has some wifi issues, iirc |
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| 21:45.00 | helo | !etch and a half |
| 21:45.07 | helo | bah |
| 21:46.02 | helo | chances are, if you need the latest drivers for something, you're using a desktop system |
| 21:46.11 | magyar | 13*2... vet unlucky -_- |
| 21:46.26 | magyar | s/vet/verry |
| 21:46.32 | magyar | fudge |
| 21:46.35 | helo | and in that case, ubuntu is a good alternative |
| 21:46.59 | magyar | for some yes, no doubt |
| 21:47.01 | Cherepok | òóò åñòü õîòü 1 ðóññêîãîâîðÿùèé? |
| 21:47.05 | helo | or debian unstable... not sure whether unstable tends to be more stable than ubuntu or not... |
| 21:47.18 | magyar | Cherepok: using 2.6.26? |
| 21:47.25 | Cherepok | ) |
| 21:47.36 | magyar | eheh |
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| 21:48.38 | magyar | helo: all stables had their share of short comming, but also the well deserved stability |
| 21:48.44 | simonrvn | magyar: really? hm. |
| 21:48.49 | Cherepok | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.58 | simonrvn | !etchnhalf |
| 21:48.59 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 21:50.25 | magyar | Cherepok: try #debian-ru ? |
| 21:50.29 | joshuaaaa | hi im trying to build subversion javahl libary on a debian system |
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| 21:50.47 | joshuaaaa | but i get the error -all is an illegal argument |
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| 21:51.21 | Cherepok | no no It is pleasant to me here |
| 21:51.22 | Cherepok | ) |
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| 21:51.46 | magyar | uhh. k enjoy |
| 21:52.04 | Cherepok | I do not love easy ways |
| 21:52.06 | Cherepok | )) |
| 21:52.23 | magyar | debian is easy -_- |
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| 21:52.52 | magyar | try #gentoo |
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| 21:53.09 | Cherepok | My disgusting English |
| 21:53.11 | Cherepok | ... |
| 21:53.15 | Cherepok | ) |
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| 21:54.29 | magyar | ) ... )), < not so disgusting |
| 21:54.55 | magyar | (_o_) |
| 21:55.02 | Cherepok | And from where you? |
| 21:55.05 | magyar | that is disgusting |
| 21:55.23 | magyar | Cherepok: canada |
| 21:55.29 | Cherepok | ÙÖ |
| 21:55.31 | Cherepok | OW |
| 21:55.37 | Cherepok | or |
| 21:55.41 | Cherepok | WOW |
| 21:56.04 | Cherepok | How is more true? |
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| 21:57.09 | magyar | it is very true |
| 21:57.29 | Cherepok | i from russia... |
| 21:57.29 | magyar | uh-huh |
| 21:57.30 | Cherepok | ) |
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| 21:58.07 | magyar | got to give it to you, for admitting that |
| 21:58.31 | magyar | Country that refuses to use Dell computers |
| 21:58.59 | Cherepok | )))) |
| 21:59.00 | magyar | but ok with using Intel cpu's since the 60's |
| 21:59.02 | Cherepok | yes |
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| 21:59.51 | magyar | so, how is uncle Putin? |
| 21:59.53 | Cherepok | go in privat |
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| 22:00.03 | Cherepok | ? |
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| 22:00.20 | StanManCan | How do you "copy" (to paste later on) a whole document in nano? |
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| 22:00.41 | magyar | i am scared privating with russians |
| 22:00.51 | magyar | i did it once and lost all my money |
| 22:00.52 | magyar | -_- |
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| 22:01.24 | Cherepok | Our president has not refused, and has offered equal partner conditions |
| 22:01.48 | magyar | as W said fool me once shame on me, fool me twice.... hmmmm |
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| 22:02.10 | Cherepok | ((((((((((( |
| 22:02.12 | Cherepok | )))))))))))) |
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| 22:02.16 | Cherepok | [01:00] <magyar> i am scared privating with russians |
| 22:02.16 | Cherepok | [01:00] <magyar> i did it once and lost all my money |
| 22:02.16 | Cherepok | [01:00] <magyar> -_- |
| 22:02.18 | Cherepok | )))) |
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| 22:02.27 | Cherepok | so funy |
| 22:02.27 | Cherepok | ) |
| 22:02.40 | Cherepok | very* |
| 22:02.47 | magyar | ty |
| 22:03.15 | Cherepok | what? |
| 22:03.34 | magyar | ty = (thank you) |
| 22:03.55 | magyar | ty =/= (you) in russian |
| 22:04.47 | magyar | brb, need to mix a vodka martini :) |
| 22:06.18 | Cherepok | hm... |
| 22:06.19 | Cherepok | )))) |
| 22:06.40 | Cherepok | Happens |
| 22:06.42 | Cherepok | ) |
| 22:07.11 | helo | i'm trying to modify my raid partition setup, but it keeps telling me this partition appears to already be part of a raid array |
| 22:07.20 | helo | i did a mdadm --stop /dev/md0 |
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| 22:07.29 | helo | and edited mdadm.conf to remove references to it |
| 22:07.53 | helo | and did a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb1 to wipe out any data at its start |
| 22:07.55 | magyar | helo: you need to --fail it also |
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| 22:09.06 | octoberdan | Gah, my friend made me shut off password access via ssh and told me to instead use keys... |
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| 22:09.31 | mc68040 | a wise friend ;) |
| 22:09.32 | magyar | and you still call him a freind? |
| 22:09.53 | octoberdan | and now I'm having trouble setting up keys... I used ssh-keygen to generate rsa keys, but I'm still getting a "Permission denied (publickey)." |
| 22:09.58 | valdyn | helo: why do you think that mdadm raid info is at the start? |
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| 22:10.08 | valdyn | helo: and why dont you use --zero-superblock ? |
| 22:10.19 | ThePro | hey there |
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| 22:10.41 | Cherepok | ~^ magyar ^~: Can all the same in privat, in me causes interest conversation with the foreigner? |
| 22:10.45 | ThePro | could anybody suggest me some kind of howto tutorial, how to start with debian? |
| 22:10.58 | mc68040 | octoberdan: your public key must be added to your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the target machine |
| 22:11.03 | valdyn | helo: and you dont need to fail it if you already stopped the whole array |
| 22:11.05 | helo | valdyn: just a guess :) |
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| 22:11.14 | alsd | hi there |
| 22:12.13 | Maxt3r | i have worked whit ssh key 2day, but i have diffenert port on my server, and cant figure out to use scp whit another port, |
| 22:12.29 | Maxt3r | scp -p 6000 dont work |
| 22:12.53 | valdyn | octoberdan: ssh-copy-id user@destination |
| 22:13.10 | mc68040 | Maxt3r: -o '-p 6000' ? |
| 22:13.11 | Maxt3r | ahh is that a cmd |
| 22:13.13 | alsd | Maxt3r: -P maybe (see man scp) |
| 22:13.38 | valdyn | octoberdan: obviously you cant transfer the key though if password auth is already disabled |
| 22:14.17 | valdyn | Maxt3r: why dont you read the manpage? |
| 22:14.38 | Maxt3r | i have, and have read doku on the wep |
| 22:14.43 | Maxt3r | its dosent work |
| 22:14.53 | valdyn | Maxt3r: you cant read? |
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| 22:15.00 | Maxt3r | but nevermind i have sshfs now and cp that way |
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| 22:16.04 | valdyn | ThePro: read the install guide |
| 22:16.05 | valdyn | !ig |
| 22:16.06 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r6 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 22:16.23 | ThePro | it is already installed |
| 22:16.36 | ThePro | I want to learn the basics |
| 22:16.40 | valdyn | !debian reference |
| 22:16.40 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
| 22:16.42 | valdyn | !refcard |
| 22:16.42 | dpkg | [refcard] A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 22:16.49 | ThePro | the difference between apt-get and aptitude for example |
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| 22:16.57 | valdyn | ThePro: thats in the mannpage |
| 22:17.06 | tCzern | is it possible to run debian on an external USB drive? |
| 22:17.16 | Maxt3r | yes |
| 22:17.21 | ThePro | hm, ok |
| 22:17.33 | Maxt3r | look for debian live on google |
| 22:17.39 | valdyn | ThePro: you can use either of both, none is better per se |
| 22:17.50 | ThePro | hm |
| 22:18.03 | ThePro | someone told me to use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 22:18.05 | tCzern | Maxt3r: thanks |
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| 22:18.07 | helo | doesn't aptitude remove all dependencies? |
| 22:18.11 | helo | if youre move a package |
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| 22:18.32 | valdyn | ThePro: aptitude is the recommended by debian thing, but both tools have their own shortcomings |
| 22:18.43 | ThePro | ok |
| 22:19.31 | valdyn | helo: apt-get can do that too |
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| 22:20.08 | Cherepok | opana Double Russian)) |
| 22:20.10 | Cherepok | ) |
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| 22:20.23 | DESERTIR | double trouble |
| 22:20.27 | valdyn | ThePro: one point though, dont at first switch between those 2 commands, it will confuse you |
| 22:20.27 | Cherepok | ) |
| 22:20.40 | valdyn | ThePro: just pick one and stick to it for a while |
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| 22:20.50 | ThePro | ok |
| 22:20.57 | dlynes | Is there another package other than the obvious that needs to be installed to get postgresql 7.4 or postgresql 8.1 working on Debian etch? |
| 22:21.01 | valdyn | ThePro: as the differences are subtle, but can make a huge difference |
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| 22:21.20 | DESERTIR | ïî ðóññêè ïèøèòå |
| 22:21.21 | dlynes | Neither one of them will start up for me, and I see nothing in the logs that would suggest they're even trying to start up |
| 22:21.28 | DESERTIR | íå îäíè òóò |
| 22:21.34 | Cherepok | What do you think of Russian? |
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| 22:22.07 | Eulex | !ru |
| 22:22.07 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 22:22.28 | _Wesley | Hello, when trying to do 'ifconfig' I get back "Segmentation fault" is there any way to fix this, or find out what is causing this? |
| 22:22.51 | valdyn | _Wesley: strace -eopen ifconfig.. |
| 22:23.04 | _Wesley | will try! |
| 22:23.09 | valdyn | _Wesley: what did you do to break your computer though? |
| 22:23.21 | Cherepok | no no no |
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| 22:23.27 | _Wesley | I wish I knew that answer valdyn |
| 22:23.38 | _Wesley | I can't recall doing any upgrades lately (it's a server) |
| 22:23.44 | Cherepok | I will remain here) |
| 22:23.51 | dlynes | I've got libpgtypes2, postgresql-7.4, postgresql-8.1, postgresql-client-7.4, postgresql-client-8.1, postgresql-contrib-7.4, postgresql-contrib-8.1, postgresql-doc-7.4, postgresql-doc-8.1, postgresql-filedump-8.1, postgresql-plperl-7.4, postgresql-plperl-8.1, postgresql-plpython-7.4, postgresql-plpython-8.1, postgresql-server-dev-7.4, and postgresql-server-dev-8.1 all installed |
| 22:24.02 | valdyn | _Wesley: do several runs, hopefully they will look exactly the same |
| 22:24.15 | _Wesley | This is the strace output: http://pastebin.com/m54b3e64d |
| 22:24.27 | _Wesley | several runs, what exactly do you mean by that valdyn? |
| 22:24.44 | valdyn | run "strace -eopen ifconfig" several times |
| 22:24.55 | _Wesley | this seem to be related to locals? |
| 22:25.00 | valdyn | _Wesley: no |
| 22:25.21 | _Wesley | running the commad multiple times shows the same output every time |
| 22:25.34 | octoberdan | valdyn: So can I just do it manually? generate a public key on the remote machine and copy it over to the one I want to accept the connect? |
| 22:25.38 | valdyn | _Wesley: ok, then again several runs of "strace ifconfig" |
| 22:25.56 | Cherepok | Prompt the channel on which it is possible to communicate on any themes? |
| 22:26.17 | valdyn | octoberdan: you can manually append it to authorized_keys |
| 22:26.27 | DESERTIR | That the serious such? Let's have a good time |
| 22:26.46 | helo | is there a cli method of viewing disk throughput? |
| 22:26.59 | valdyn | _Wesley: if they are again identical, show me |
| 22:27.01 | jelly-home | Cherepok: #defocus, #debian-offtopic |
| 22:27.06 | helo | current throughput, that is |
| 22:27.30 | mc68040 | helo: i think vmstat |
| 22:27.39 | octoberdan | valdyn: I want PC B to connect to PC A. So I generate two files on PC A, an rsa private key and an rsa public key. I transfered the private key to PC B and moved the public key to authorized_keys of PC A. I think that's where I messed up the process? |
| 22:28.02 | valdyn | octoberdan: you got it wrong |
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| 22:28.08 | _Wesley | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m5b239656 is the output of the normal strace's |
| 22:28.17 | _Wesley | it's ok to use pastebin here right? |
| 22:28.33 | valdyn | octoberdan: you want B connect to A -> generate key on B -> add generated public key to authorized_keys on A |
| 22:28.43 | dlynes | I'm guessing there's nobody on atm that has much experience with postgresql installs on Debian etch? |
| 22:29.06 | mc68040 | valdyn: thats what he did as far as i read |
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| 22:29.28 | valdyn | mc68040: he said he generated two files on PC A, thats wrong |
| 22:29.39 | valdyn | mc68040: that would be required to connect from A to B |
| 22:29.48 | mc68040 | valdyn: it doesnt matter where he vreate the keys |
| 22:29.55 | valdyn | mc68040: it seriously matters |
| 22:29.58 | valdyn | mc68040: ffs |
| 22:30.09 | mc68040 | valdyn: private must be on B, public on A |
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| 22:30.19 | alsd | dlynes: just explain your problem if someone knows anyway |
| 22:30.35 | valdyn | mc68040: oh yea |
| 22:30.47 | valdyn | octoberdan: you shouldnt transfer a private key at all |
| 22:30.49 | dlynes | alsd: I did, but didn't get a response |
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| 22:31.00 | dlynes | Is there another package other than the obvious that needs to be installed to get postgresql 7.4 or postgresql 8.1 working on Debian etch? |
| 22:31.05 | valdyn | octoberdan: but technically your thing should work too |
| 22:31.06 | dlynes | Neither one of them will start up for me, and I see nothing in the logs that would suggest they're even trying to start up |
| 22:31.53 | dlynes | I've got libpgtypes2, postgresql-7.4, postgresql-8.1, postgresql-client-7.4, postgresql-client-8.1, postgresql-contrib-7.4, postgresql-contrib-8.1, postgresql-doc-7.4, postgresql-doc-8.1, postgresql-filedump-8.1, postgresql-plperl-7.4, postgresql-plperl-8.1, postgresql-plpython-7.4, postgresql-plpython-8.1, postgresql-server-dev-7.4, and postgresql-server-dev-8.1 all installed |
| 22:31.53 | valdyn | octoberdan: but its more work, and not secure |
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| 22:31.53 | valdyn | octoberdan: and it could fuck up preexisting key setups |
| 22:32.04 | octoberdan | valdyn: What's a better way to do it? |
| 22:32.11 | valdyn | octoberdan: exactly how i told you |
| 22:32.17 | mc68040 | octoberdan: the file permissions are important too |
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| 22:32.30 | alsd | dlynes: you need only one version i guess |
| 22:32.39 | valdyn | octoberdan: just dont it in reverse order, thats fucked up, easy to get wrong, and more work |
| 22:32.57 | dlynes | alsd: I installed both versions when I couldn't get either version to work |
| 22:33.10 | dlynes | alsd: If I only have one or the other version installed, it still won't work |
| 22:33.12 | alsd | dlynes: what exactly do you mean by doesnt work? |
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| 22:33.29 | dlynes | alsd: Doesn't start up, doesn't spit out any errors in the log files, nothing ... |
| 22:33.43 | valdyn | _Wesley: so? your kernel? |
| 22:33.43 | dlynes | alsd: It's almost like the daemon doesn't exist or something |
| 22:33.51 | valdyn | _Wesley: i need kernel and libc6 version |
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| 22:34.32 | dlynes | alsd: I know it's not postgresql, because I've installed it from source on slackware before, and it worked just fine |
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| 22:34.43 | dlynes | alsd: and those two specific versions, too |
| 22:34.43 | alsd | dlynes: dunno about postgresql, but i guess you'll have to run something like '/etc/init.d/postgresql start' or something |
| 22:35.17 | dlynes | alsd: correct.... /etc/init.d/postgresql-7.4 start or /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 start (depending on which version you want to use) |
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| 22:35.33 | dlynes | alsd: 7.4 should show up on port 5432, and 8.1 should show up on port 5433 |
| 22:35.35 | valdyn | dlynes: and you read /var/log/daemon.log ? |
| 22:35.49 | _Wesley | valdyn: Linux blob 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 12 16:48:28 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux - dpkg -l |grep libc shows libc6 |
| 22:35.54 | dlynes | valdyn: didn't know there was such a log that it used....I was checking syslog and messages |
| 22:35.55 | alsd | dlynes: soo what happens when you use 'start' on either? maybe it's only using a local socket |
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| 22:36.12 | valdyn | _Wesley: that does not tell me the version |
| 22:36.19 | _Wesley | what does? |
| 22:36.23 | valdyn | _Wesley: you |
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| 22:36.30 | dlynes | alsd: no...checked unix domain sockets as well |
| 22:36.42 | dlynes | valdyn: nothing in daemon.log, either |
| 22:36.47 | _Wesley | Well, as far as I know libc6 is on it, I do not know any way on how to check that |
| 22:37.04 | valdyn | _Wesley: dpkg -l shows the version, but you did not tell me the version |
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| 22:37.24 | alsd | dlynes: 'sh -x /etc/init.d/postgresql<blah> start' maybe will show you where it gets lost |
| 22:37.54 | asdfqwer | What should be the minimum size of my /boot directory? |
| 22:38.02 | _Wesley | It shows libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch8 - valdyn |
| 22:38.16 | dlynes | alsd: ahhhh...thanks for that useful info |
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| 22:38.37 | dlynes | alsd: it seems the installer is not creating the /etc/postgresql/7.4 and /etc/postgresql/8.1 directories for some reason |
| 22:38.42 | valdyn | _Wesley: ok, that looks fine too |
| 22:38.57 | asdfqwer | RAID5 needs 4 disks right? |
| 22:39.04 | _Wesley | I think I did an upgrade like three weeks ago, just a normal dist-upgrade |
| 22:39.19 | mc68040 | asdfqwer: no, at least 3 |
| 22:39.25 | valdyn | _Wesley: df -a lists /dev/shm too? |
| 22:39.41 | alsd | dlynes: look for the docs in /usr/share/doc/postresql<blah>/ i guess it's explained |
| 22:39.42 | asdfqwer | mc68040, What if I have a strangler? |
| 22:39.52 | asdfqwer | Don't configure it? |
| 22:40.00 | alsd | dlynes: debian specific changes from upstream are often explained in README.Debian files there |
| 22:40.10 | _Wesley | valdyn: it does! tmpfs 1038000 0 1038000 0% /dev/shm |
| 22:40.20 | _Wesley | oh |
| 22:40.23 | _Wesley | wait.. |
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| 22:40.37 | mc68040 | asdfqwer: you a 4th as hotspare? |
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| 22:40.53 | _Wesley | hmm no never mind, thought it read it as being full but my bad. |
| 22:41.02 | valdyn | _Wesley: i tend to think you got hardware issues but lets check your binaries |
| 22:41.09 | _Wesley | auch :( |
| 22:41.29 | valdyn | _Wesley: "debsums net-tools" and "debsums libc6" |
| 22:41.49 | mc68040 | asdfqwer: ups, you mean you want an additional disk as hotspare in case one fails? |
| 22:41.50 | _Wesley | well debsum net-tools shows: /sbin/ifconfig FAILED |
| 22:41.53 | _Wesley | so that's clear |
| 22:42.00 | valdyn | _Wesley: ok, nice |
| 22:42.08 | valdyn | _Wesley: aptitude reinstall net-tools |
| 22:42.11 | _Wesley | debsums libc6 = all OK |
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| 22:42.21 | asdfqwer | I see. |
| 22:42.26 | valdyn | _Wesley: lucky its just already ifconfig that is broken |
| 22:42.33 | asdfqwer | This is my third attempt. =/ |
| 22:42.45 | mc68040 | asdfqwer: if so, then consider RAID6 |
| 22:42.47 | _Wesley | Oh wow, that worked valdyn |
| 22:43.01 | _Wesley | So can this still be a hardware issue? |
| 22:43.02 | asdfqwer | I might just opt-in for RAID1 |
| 22:43.28 | valdyn | _Wesley: it IS a hardware issue if no one, malicious or not fucked with that file |
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| 22:44.00 | _Wesley | I think a 3 months ago I had somewhat the same problem with a 'mailq' command |
| 22:44.07 | asdfqwer | Vista left it's MBR on one of my hard-disks. :( |
| 22:44.13 | valdyn | _Wesley: crappy disk? |
| 22:44.20 | valdyn | _Wesley: or unclean shutdown? |
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| 22:44.22 | _Wesley | showed some funky errors aswell, also did a debsums.. restored the file from a backup |
| 22:44.36 | _Wesley | unclean shutdown could have been yes, it froze up today |
| 22:44.39 | asdfqwer | So Debian is trying to install grub to a non-existent harddrive |
| 22:44.44 | _Wesley | had to use the PDU |
| 22:44.48 | valdyn | _Wesley: bit flipping shouldnt be common at all,but it happens |
| 22:45.00 | _Wesley | but better safe than sorry.. i will replace the server on location monday |
| 22:45.05 | _Wesley | and give it a full check |
| 22:45.26 | _Wesley | hmm, well I do appriciate your time and help valdyn |
| 22:45.30 | _Wesley | it's much appriciated |
| 22:45.38 | valdyn | _Wesley: welcome |
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| 22:46.31 | cockroach | hey, small question: i've got a laptop with a partially broken screen and would thus like to tell xorg to only use parts of the screen (eg. only use 1024x600 on a 1024x768 screen) - is there a way to do that? |
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| 22:47.38 | patrikf | cockroach: sure. use /etc/X11/xorg.conf (read man xorg.conf) |
| 22:47.50 | patrikf | cockroach: if you want to do this while X is running, use xrandr |
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| 22:48.23 | cockroach | patrikf: what option would i be looking for? i did check the man page but i didn't see anything remotely relevant... |
| 22:49.23 | patrikf | cockroach: xrandr --mode 1024x600 |
| 22:50.37 | cockroach | oh. i figured that would just result in a scaled image. trying... |
| 22:51.25 | dlynes | alsd: , valdyn: got it figured out....it never ran pg_createcluster on install for some reason |
| 22:51.40 | patrikf | cockroach: if it only scales, look at xrandr --prop for the corresponding property and xrandr --set it accordingly |
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| 22:52.12 | patrikf | cockroach: if any of --mode or --set doesn't work, you might have to specify --output as well |
| 22:52.41 | alsd | dlynes: i know that reason ;) |
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| 22:53.31 | dlynes | alsd: it happened to you, too? |
| 22:54.21 | alsd | dlynes: several times a day |
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| 22:57.02 | dlynes | alsd: several times a day you install postgresql? |
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| 22:59.07 | alsd | dlynes: not with postgresql specifically, i mean with every program i use i forget to read the fine manual, and thus loose much time wondering ;) |
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| 23:03.26 | helo | what is a good way to synchronize files on two directories (moving to raid1) |
| 23:03.36 | internat1 | wb16&if5r7 |
| 23:03.57 | helo | a cp looks like it will take hours |
| 23:04.08 | helo | and by that point, the original directory will probably have changed |
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| 23:05.06 | mc68040 | helo: have a look at rsync |
| 23:05.11 | Thundercloud | Good evening gentlemen. I installed the google-gadgets package along with the plasma scriptengine for it (For 4.2) |
| 23:05.21 | Thundercloud | The browser comes up fine (Although there are barely any apps available) |
| 23:05.26 | Thundercloud | But the ones that came with it, I can't see |
| 23:05.29 | Thundercloud | Anything I may be doing wrong? |
| 23:06.59 | mc68040 | helo: 1st rsync to create initial copy, shutdown services, 2nd rsync to copy changes while first rsync, start services on new dir |
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| 23:08.00 | helo | sounds good... thanks :) |
| 23:09.05 | Erne26 | hi, i have an issue with debian running in a HP dl380. Disk performance is really poor. I have no clue where to "adjust" things in order to improve performance. In this momento the perf is 20MB/s. Im using JFS and RAID5 with 3disks |
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| 23:10.19 | nevyn | Erne26: start with hdparm and check dma is enabled. |
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| 23:10.52 | hanno | hi. |
| 23:11.52 | Erne26 | nevyn: anything else? I have to disconnect from the channel in order to connect to the vpn of the company i work for, so i would like to give it a try a bunch of things all together |
| 23:12.01 | hanno | how can i set up two screens using two different xservers? i want to use a tiling wm like wmii using two screens, and for not having the windows spread over the whole huge virtual screen, i want to have two separate xservers. how can i do this? |
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| 23:12.28 | hanno | using xrandr it seems that i have to glue both screens together to one with a big virtual resolution |
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| 23:14.28 | nevyn | Erne26: it's almost always that dma isn't enabled. however you could mess with the iosched but that's likely to be a marginal win. |
| 23:14.42 | hanno | i've found some old instructions using serverlayout in xorg.conf, but more recent xrandr tutorials say that one should not use this any longer |
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| 23:15.00 | nevyn | hanno: use a wm that's xinerama aware. |
| 23:15.04 | nevyn | like ratpoison |
| 23:15.24 | Erne26 | nevyn: ok, thanks, ill give it a try and come back later with the results... thanks again |
| 23:15.31 | mc68040 | nevyn: hmmm..., doesnt have the dl380 an builtin scsi/raid controller? |
| 23:15.33 | thasp | I get this when I try to compile my kernel headers http://pastebin.com/m166878ec |
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| 23:15.50 | nevyn | mc68040: depends. |
| 23:15.50 | thasp | i used kernel-package to compile it the first time |
| 23:16.03 | nevyn | 20mb/s seems awful low |
| 23:16.10 | nevyn | but it is raid5 |
| 23:16.28 | nevyn | mc68040: treating the disks as jbod with s/w raid would probably perform better. |
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| 23:16.56 | thasp | i have raid5 and 20 MBps would not cut it :( |
| 23:17.05 | mc68040 | nevyn: 20mb/s is awful, but maybe the raid is rebuilding currently? |
| 23:17.06 | hanno | nevyn: mh, could give it a try. what about wmii? is it hopeless ? |
| 23:17.56 | mc68040 | thasp: raid6 with a noname and 80mb/s :) |
| 23:17.56 | nevyn | hanno: the issue is. the server exports a single framebuffer to clients unless the client knows what to ask it. |
| 23:18.27 | nevyn | hanno: unless your wm knows to ask the Xserver for the size of each display.. you're sol. |
| 23:18.59 | hanno | nevyn: and what if i'm running two separated xservers and two separate instances of wmii? |
| 23:19.05 | hanno | is this possible? |
| 23:19.16 | nevyn | hanno: with a single video card.. no |
| 23:19.36 | nevyn | you could run two xonx sessions on one real hardware session maybe. |
| 23:19.40 | hanno | http://lists.suckless.org/wmii/0710/3827.html is an old tutorial how to do this.. but i can't make it work |
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| 23:20.04 | nevyn | hanno: do you have two video cards or one card with two outputs? |
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| 23:20.44 | hanno | no, just one video card |
| 23:21.43 | nevyn | right so you can't run two xservers that control a single card |
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| 23:21.53 | nevyn | not ever gonna happen |
| 23:22.21 | nevyn | hanno: if you really want to try the multiple xservers with wmii then xnest or xonx are your best options. |
| 23:22.51 | hanno | ok, i'll have a look at it. did you have a look at the link i sent to you? |
| 23:23.29 | nevyn | it's probably talking about using two cards |
| 23:25.24 | hanno | how can i check if my videocard has dual output? |
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| 23:26.05 | nevyn | umm look at it? |
| 23:26.31 | nevyn | you can't software inspect what connectors are availible on a vidcard |
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| 23:26.58 | nevyn | (cause all the manufs just implement the ref design - bits they don't want to put on the card. |
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| 23:28.07 | pythonic | hi, is there an archive of all changes to debian-keyring somewhere? |
| 23:28.11 | hanno | mh :-) i feel stupid as i know only few facts about hardware.. |
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| 23:30.02 | hanno | is it still possible to use the (old) serverlayout section? |
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| 23:30.29 | nevyn | hanno: I'm not sure. It may be. |
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| 23:34.23 | hanno | nevyn: ok, thank you. i'll go on googling. perhaps someone tried the same before and posted a solution.. |
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| 23:42.44 | hanno | nevyn: i'm using a notebook with one external monitor - does this change anything? |
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| 23:44.59 | myeggo | hello, someone can tell me where can i read infor about creating widgets for the panel? |
| 23:45.15 | myeggo | such like weather etc |
| 23:45.42 | Erne26 | nevyn: i tried what you told me about dma enabled for disk performance, but the disks are scsi... so hdparm doest work on them... any other idea? |
| 23:46.00 | zigovr | hi all, I'm a bit newby on debian, etch is the stable debian ? |
| 23:46.51 | EmleyMoor | etch is stable at present |
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| 23:47.04 | zigovr | I'm trying to add packages from the emdebian project (embedded debian), but it's not clear to me how to add their sources to my sources.list file |
| 23:47.38 | zigovr | I have a uri of this form : http://buildd.emdebian.org/debian/pool/ |
| 23:48.11 | EmleyMoor | Do they giwe you actual lines to add? |
| 23:48.17 | zigovr | so I added this to my sources.list "deb http://buildd.emdebian.org/debian/pool/ etch main" |
| 23:48.20 | EmleyMoor | give |
| 23:48.23 | zigovr | unfortunatly no :( |
| 23:48.35 | EmleyMoor | Drop the pool/ |
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| 23:49.04 | zigovr | ok , it's much better, thanks :) |
| 23:49.27 | zigovr | ok I need keys now, I hope they provide some |
| 23:49.41 | Erne26 | any one knows how to tweak disk performance for a scsi raid 5 volume in debian? |
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