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| 00:00.43 | MarkJones | Im puzzled Im running a CD install of Lenny and I just got done jigdo'ing the DVD version.Burned with Brasero and checked the md5sum and got the wrong sum.Reburned with K3B and it said it verified correctly.Yet when i md5sum /dev/cdrom in terminal I get yet a diiferent sum.Whats going on? Is it just that Lenny isnt stable yet? |
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| 00:02.23 | RoenieSrvr | http://www.jzonneveld.org/roenie/screens/error_palm_desktop.jpg |
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| 00:05.24 | alsd | MarkJones: the dvd driver pads what's in /dev/cdrom with blanks so that it's not actually the same as the .iso file |
| 00:05.50 | alsd | MarkJones: try with readcd maybe |
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| 00:06.50 | Flaw | What identd package should I use so that my ident is found when connecting to IRC? |
| 00:06.55 | Flaw | Is oidentd a good choice? |
| 00:07.45 | cyberick | hello there, i wanted to know if a .deb package of a later version of debian would work on a newer one. |
| 00:07.48 | EmleyMoor | Flaw: Are you behind NAT or similar? |
| 00:07.50 | stew | Flaw: nullidentd is good if you just want it to answer and don't care to give accurate answers. its probably hard to make a bad choice of identd servers though |
| 00:08.04 | EmleyMoor | cyberick: Often. no. |
| 00:08.21 | Flaw | stew: What's the smallest? |
| 00:08.48 | EmleyMoor | cyberick: You'd need to backport |
| 00:09.23 | cyberick | EmleyMoor: backport? |
| 00:09.45 | cyberick | EmleyMoor: i'm new to gnu/linux in general. |
| 00:10.00 | stew | Flaw: aptitude show '~nident' | egrep "Package|Size" |
| 00:10.07 | EmleyMoor | Build the newer package from source against the old versions of dependencies |
| 00:10.14 | EmleyMoor | Not easy for a beginner |
| 00:10.18 | stew | Flaw: looks like nullidentd |
| 00:10.49 | Flaw | I just want something small, really stew |
| 00:10.55 | cyberick | EmleyMoor: okay, thanks, i'll look for more info on the matter. |
| 00:11.00 | Flaw | The only point would be to show my ident when connecting on IRC |
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| 00:13.52 | zigovr | in order to upgrade to unstable debian, I simply need to replace etch with unstable in my sources.list file ? |
| 00:13.54 | MarkJones | Im sorry did anyone see my post about burning a jigdo DVD image and my md5sums being bad? |
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| 00:15.01 | cyberick | one last question: let's say i have a binary i want to execute from terminal. how do i set its path so that it can be ran regardless of my current working directory? |
| 00:15.27 | stew | zigovr: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
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| 00:15.57 | stew | cyberick: i'd recommend making a symlink to it in /usr/local/bin or $HOME/bin/ which would be in your $PATH |
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| 00:16.36 | zigovr | stew: that's not a very good answer |
| 00:17.00 | Relentless | ^ |
| 00:17.11 | Relentless | its not a very sceure answer either |
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| 00:17.38 | garu | hi everyone |
| 00:17.39 | cyberick | what would be the best approach either? |
| 00:17.48 | Relentless | cyberick symlink your binary to /bin |
| 00:17.50 | cyberick | then* |
| 00:17.54 | Relentless | or /usr/local/bin |
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| 00:18.17 | sepult | zigovr: change etch to lenny upgrade then add unstable or sid in your repository and upgrade again |
| 00:18.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | now you made me curious what the question/answer were... |
| 00:18.52 | garu | can someone please help me out...I forgot my root user password...is there a way of accessing the terminal through a livecd or something similar?I'm using debian etch |
| 00:19.19 | zigovr | sepult: ah thanks |
| 00:19.25 | sepult | zigovr: just be sure to remove etch, cause it causes problems with dpkg apt or aptitude |
| 00:19.33 | zigovr | so sid == unstable today ? |
| 00:19.40 | zigovr | and lenny == ? |
| 00:19.40 | sepult | zigovr: i mean after upgrading |
| 00:20.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !forgot root password |
| 00:20.04 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 00:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? wtf is step 2 doing in there? |
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| 00:20.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, in case you cannot shutdown |
| 00:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | garu, ^^^^^ |
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| 00:22.27 | garu | CutMeOwnThroat so I should do steps 1 to 5 then? |
| 00:22.46 | zigovr | sepult: etch is stable today, but what is lenny then ? |
| 00:23.00 | jelly-home | !lenny |
| 00:23.01 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release (5.0, currently also known as "testing"). Lenny will be released real soon now.... To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. See also <wwlr> <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 00:23.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | garu, guess.... |
| 00:23.10 | cyberick | Relentless: thanks, it worked perfectly. |
| 00:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | garu, you don't need 2) if you can shutdown cleanly |
| 00:23.23 | Relentless | YOu are welcome |
| 00:23.51 | sepult | zigovr: etch is not gonna get stable, it's just a step in between stable and unstable... |
| 00:23.57 | pyrohotdog | On my iBook G4, alsa restore during boot. But cab run alsaconf after its boots. Anybody have an idea? |
| 00:24.11 | zigovr | !sid |
| 00:24.12 | dpkg | well, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 00:24.13 | pyrohotdog | *fails during boot |
| 00:24.18 | sepult | !etch |
| 00:24.18 | dpkg | well, etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r6>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen |
| 00:24.26 | sepult | !lenny |
| 00:24.26 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the next Debian release (5.0, currently also known as "testing"). Lenny will be released real soon now.... To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. See also <wwlr> <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 00:24.31 | zigovr | ok thanks, it much clearer now :) |
| 00:24.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !msg the bot |
| 00:24.31 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 00:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit |
| 00:24.40 | Relentless | Could we not flood witht he bot? |
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| 00:25.24 | sepult | zigovr: you should not take it word for word "soon" is very relative... |
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| 00:25.41 | dv_ | hello |
| 00:25.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sepult, february 14th? |
| 00:26.00 | sepult | CutMeOwnThroat: really ? |
| 00:26.05 | sepult | CutMeOwnThroat: sure ? |
| 00:26.05 | dv_ | can I somehow limit the bandwidth usage of apt? |
| 00:26.25 | dv_ | my internet radio keeps buffering because apt saturates the bandwidth |
| 00:26.41 | garu | CutMeOwnThroat thanks, giving it a try now |
| 00:26.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sepult, /msg dpkg lenny status - they sound pretty determined if not something major turns up... |
| 00:26.44 | sepult | CutMeOwnThroat: i mean is it an official date ?= |
| 00:26.53 | sepult | oh |
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| 00:27.43 | sepult | cool heh |
| 00:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | sepult, it will only be delayed further if something turns up that they feel can't be fixed in an rc1 or wossname |
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| 00:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | deep freeze... sounds like sperm in liquid nitrogen |
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| 00:30.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. NOT like something that will be released real soon :) |
| 00:30.57 | sepult | ok there will be some release candidates first...i got it |
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| 00:31.45 | sepult | and kde4 is very cool |
| 00:32.11 | sepult | up to some minor faults, i don't know if i'm the one who's to blame for |
| 00:32.16 | sepult | lol |
| 00:32.23 | sepult | maybe... |
| 00:33.00 | thasp | b-43-phy0 ERROR: PHY transmission error <== I know I should be punished for using a broadcom card but is there anyway around this |
| 00:33.10 | thasp | it disconnects then stops seeing any wireless network with that error |
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| 00:33.17 | zigovr | is there a minimal installation CD for unstable debian ? |
| 00:33.21 | jaggz | I'm doing a dist-upgrade and it is only making 40k of changes? (from etch to lenny?) |
| 00:33.27 | jelly-home | zigovr: no |
| 00:33.31 | zigovr | or upgrading the only way to get to it |
| 00:33.34 | jelly-home | zigovr: yes |
| 00:33.38 | zigovr | ok thanks |
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| 00:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | sepult, sorry, I meant 'r1' as in revision 1... read the mail in the link of the lenny status factoid... guess says it all |
| 00:34.17 | zigovr | jaggz: bizarre, for me is 139Mb change |
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| 00:34.34 | zigovr | but I'm on very minimalistic system |
| 00:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, 40k packages or 40kbytes? |
| 00:35.15 | jaggz | ah, it's the future steps which are required.. I didn't yet do the s/etch/lenny/ switch (everything's nonlocal I guess.. no cd or anything) |
| 00:35.22 | jaggz | cut, heh.. 40k bytes :) |
| 00:35.40 | jelly-home | !tell jaggz -about etch->lenny |
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| 00:35.58 | jaggz | so I switched etch->lenny and am running update now.. scary for me -- I've never done a dist upgrade before. |
| 00:36.25 | jelly-home | jaggz: reda the release notes, lest you trip up on a known issue |
| 00:36.32 | jaggz | jelly, yessir.. following that -- I just expected more from the initial "aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 00:36.41 | zigovr | when upgrading, I should drop the etch/updates lines from sources.list ? |
| 00:36.58 | jelly-home | zigovr: upgrading to what? |
| 00:37.02 | sepult | CutMeOwnThroat: by the way regarding kdm 4.2, it's somehow buggy, or i don't get it why it's not recognizing the global keyboard layout, or even the layout i defined in kde4.2 myself... |
| 00:37.05 | zigovr | to lenny and then sid |
| 00:37.14 | zigovr | jelly-home: ^ |
| 00:37.34 | sepult | CutMeOwnThroat: it's even set to use the german layout in xorg.conf |
| 00:37.35 | jelly-home | zigovr: lenny will have a security repository one day. sid won't |
| 00:37.52 | zigovr | ok, <foo>/updates are security updates then ? |
| 00:38.08 | jelly-home | zigovr: thank you for helping with debian testing and bug reporting! |
| 00:38.29 | sepult | does anybody know what's up with lenny-proposed-updates repo ? what is it good for ? |
| 00:38.29 | zigovr | you're welcome ;) |
| 00:38.37 | sepult | is it necessary ? |
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| 00:38.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | sepult, isn't kde4 ust in experimental?! And you're astonished about bugs?? |
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| 00:39.34 | sepult | CutMeOwnThroat: jep, i use kde4 from experimental repo, am on lenny and even use unstable (mixed) |
| 00:39.49 | jaggz | redn release notes... hmm.. I guess it's a good thing lots of packages are held back at first -- until other dependencies are met over time? |
| 00:40.33 | sepult | CutMeOwnThroat: the lenny repo never showed me kde4 version 4.2 |
| 00:40.42 | sepult | i don't know why |
| 00:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | because it's not stable enough! |
| 00:41.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | sepult, did you ever /msg dpkg kde4 and /msg dpkg experimental ?s |
| 00:41.38 | jaggz | anyone use jahshaka? |
| 00:41.47 | sepult | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 00:42.52 | sepult | CutMeOwnThroat: oh you mean the lenny backport of it, yes i used it once, but then removed it, switched to the experimental repo and added unstable for the sources |
| 00:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | sepult, no, I meant kde4 is in experimental for a reason... and experimental is called experimental for a reason also... |
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| 00:44.06 | sepult | CutMeOwnThroat: yes yes i know, i'm in an experimental mood ya know lol |
| 00:44.30 | zigovr | hmmm I got this while upgrading etch->lenny : http://pastebin.com/m488d523c |
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| 00:45.22 | jelly-home | zigovr: ponder the 10th line |
| 00:45.40 | sepult | zigovr: your path is not set correctly |
| 00:45.42 | zigovr | I should install update-rc.d ? |
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| 00:46.02 | sepult | zigovr: or dpkg does not see it for some reason i'm not aware of.... |
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| 00:46.20 | zigovr | I didn't change the PATH from its defaut setting though |
| 00:46.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, is it THERE? |
| 00:46.45 | jelly-home | zigovr: how do you become root? |
| 00:47.06 | zigovr | I logged as root jelly-home |
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| 00:47.12 | jelly-home | zigovr: echo $PATH |
| 00:47.18 | zigovr | and my PATH contains all sbin pathes |
| 00:47.28 | zigovr | vdebian:~# echo $PATH |
| 00:47.28 | zigovr | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 00:47.49 | jelly-home | zigovr: and there's no /usr/sbin/update-rc.d ? |
| 00:48.03 | zigovr | no :'( |
| 00:48.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | zigovr, dpkg -l sysv-rc |
| 00:48.43 | stew | its in the package he's trying to install |
| 00:48.50 | sepult | maybe he has to install the corefiles or basefiles first ? |
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| 00:49.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, indeed :)9 |
| 00:49.01 | stew | no, he has to get sysv-rc installed |
| 00:49.10 | sepult | ah |
| 00:49.21 | stew | zigovr: what command gave you this error? |
| 00:49.31 | zigovr | aptitude dist-upgrade stew |
| 00:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | there the python's biting its tail |
| 00:49.35 | stew | zigovr: are you following the upgrade procedure in the releease notes? (/msg dpkg lenny release notes) |
| 00:49.44 | jelly-home | stew: that shouldn't result in it not existing at postinst time |
| 00:49.55 | stew | jelly-home: agreed |
| 00:49.56 | zigovr | rather, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:50.43 | jelly-home | that's a "no" then |
| 00:51.13 | zigovr | sysv-rc is installed, at least that's what apt-get thinks |
| 00:51.39 | asdfqwer | is there an aptgit project under the wraps at debian? |
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| 00:52.05 | stew | zigovr: what does "dpkg -l sysv-rc | tail -1" return? |
| 00:52.23 | stew | asdfqwer: what is aptgit? |
| 00:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, difference between his any my update is that his etch sysv-rc is from etchnhalf |
| 00:52.45 | asdfqwer | i unno, a git inspired apt? |
| 00:52.49 | asdfqwer | =/ |
| 00:53.02 | jelly-home | asdfqwer: what would it do? |
| 00:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | magic |
| 00:53.20 | stoned | the question is, what will it do that git doesn't? |
| 00:53.21 | jelly-home | MORE magic |
| 00:53.24 | asdfqwer | make our software fly on carpets |
| 00:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hehe, indeed |
| 00:53.32 | zigovr | stew: iU sysv-rc 2.86.ds1-61em1 System-V-like runlevel change mechanism |
| 00:53.37 | stoned | unless it resolves build dependencies of sutff downloaded through git |
| 00:53.38 | garu | can't login into debian etch...is it possible to get into a terminal or something so that I can uninstall something? |
| 00:53.46 | stew | -61em1? |
| 00:53.46 | stoned | which is useful if it is done automatically |
| 00:54.04 | stew | judd: versions sysv-rc |
| 00:54.04 | judd | stew: sysv-rc -- etch: 2.86.ds1-38+etchnhalf.1 etch-backports: 2.86.ds1-47~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.86.ds1-61 sid: 2.86.ds1-61 |
| 00:54.08 | jelly-home | asdfqwer: answer hazy. |
| 00:54.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is this |
| 00:54.11 | stoned | hence, apt-git, if one exists or is under some work, that would probably be a major feature (just a thought) |
| 00:54.15 | zigovr | it shouldn't ? |
| 00:54.49 | stew | zigovr: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy sysv-rc"? |
| 00:55.21 | zigovr | stew, ok it comes from the "emdebian" repos I added :/ |
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| 00:55.31 | streuner | Why are talking about lenny then? |
| 00:55.36 | zigovr | I'll remove it until I've reached "sid" |
| 00:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | garu, why can't you login?s |
| 00:55.52 | asdfqwer | jelly-home, well it's just an idea; |
| 00:56.05 | stew | zigovr: try #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:56.10 | jelly-home | asdfqwer: it's not even an idea yet. |
| 00:56.19 | zigovr | stew, ah thanks, I didn't find their channel here |
| 00:57.07 | asdfqwer | i'm a novice with both, but i wouldn't mind a flexible way to rollback on a version without breaking any dependencies |
| 00:57.09 | stew | zigovr: yeah, most debian development related channels moved to oftc when irc.debian.org changed from freenode to oftc |
| 00:57.30 | asdfqwer | so i could screw up my config files w/o as much of a consquence |
| 00:57.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to me there's more distributions based on debian than you can shake a stick at.... |
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| 00:57.53 | zigovr | to dist-upgrade, should I rather use aptitude or apt-get ? |
| 00:57.54 | asdfqwer | lol |
| 00:58.03 | stew | zigovr: yes. see the lenny release notes |
| 00:58.05 | asdfqwer | CutMeOwnThroat, i think you're right. |
| 00:58.06 | garu | CutMeOwnThroat was setting up openldap, after installing pam and configuring it, I went to the loo and, after a little while, when I was back, the screen was locked as It was supposed to be.I enter my password...it doesnt work, restart and try to login as root...doesnt take that password either...I'm now going a bit mental...lol |
| 00:58.15 | jelly-home | asdfqwer: ok, so you want a way to be able to downgrade your system to a previous packaged state; but what does it have to do with git? |
| 00:58.52 | asdfqwer | no. i'm saying that it'd be cool if our apps branched like theirs |
| 00:59.21 | asdfqwer | instead of forming a tumor somewhere |
| 00:59.39 | jelly-home | asdfqwer: the apps are maintained as source trees; what you seem to be asking is for a way to maintain an installed system (with binaries) |
| 00:59.40 | amitz | I have an external disk I want to boot on 2 different PC. On what PC identifier should I differentiate my PC so that I can load different configuration file automatically? |
| 00:59.55 | sepult | garu: consider typing in your passwd having the keyboard layout issues in mind, i once was on a german keyoard layout, but somehow the screen locker wouldn't consider it default, so it was using american layout, and i had to tpye in z for every y and vice versa... |
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| 01:00.31 | asdfqwer | jelly-home, i guess i gotta ways to go :( |
| 01:01.03 | amitz | sepult: that reminds me to a troubleshooting I used to do years ago. |
| 01:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | garu, haha... importent lesson... don't go to the loo when messing with authentification - or at least don't run an autolocking screensaver.... well /msg dpkg ifrp for the basic procedure to get back into your system - you can in principle do everything from that shell, although locales will not have been loaded etc (8but you also can start all services you need) - so you can fix stuff up from there) |
| 01:01.37 | sepult | lol, that's the same issue now i'm having with kdm login screen ....bah recurrences |
| 01:02.16 | jelly-home | sepult: solution: don't use y or z in the password |
| 01:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, :+*%&$§"!? |
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| 01:02.48 | sepult | jelly-home: that's not a real solution though i appreciate your way |
| 01:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean don't use any chars that could make it a secure password? |
| 01:03.05 | jelly-home | worksforme! |
| 01:03.05 | garu | sepult I'm using a uk keyboard layout, as I'm in london and it's a laptop.lol...it was working before anywayz.going crazy already |
| 01:03.06 | amitz | sepult: for some reason, a user can't login to her account from that particular PC. Long story short, I have tested everything I could yet I can't find any problem. Finally I realize the culprit. One of the button used for her password is broken :-D |
| 01:03.32 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: ThisIsABetterPassword than th1sOn3 |
| 01:03.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | garu, breethe deep... and keep the fingers off of that exclamation mark key! |
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| 01:03.55 | sepult | lol, yeah hardware is another story... |
| 01:04.55 | cahewson | I am running lguest on 2.6.26 kernel but having troubles with root file system for guest. Can someone point me at a good guest file system template? |
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| 01:05.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, so which of the characters I suggested are present in "th1sOn3"?s |
| 01:06.22 | EEE901 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7874937.stm Microsoft has just sacked it's entire development team. Microsoft has just sacked it's entire development team! |
| 01:06.26 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: I forgot ! at the end |
| 01:06.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, but THAT would be SECURE!!! |
| 01:06.43 | sprax | the installer from goodbye-microsoft.com was perferct for me. My laptop has no cdrom, floppy or working USB (bought used) but it had a working windows install. Thanks! |
| 01:07.02 | asdfqwer | what should i do if grub sees my primary disk as hd(0) when bios calls it sd? |
| 01:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | EEE901, what, both of them?s |
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| 01:07.09 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: as would be the former one |
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| 01:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I doubt your statement that the 1st one is more secure |
| 01:08.04 | asdfqwer | I just installed RAID5 and grub doesn't know what to do. |
| 01:08.21 | sprax | So my next question is how do I create a system mailbox? Every time I start mutt or elmo it says it doesn't exist, and if I create the directory it wants, it tells me it's not a mailbox. Is there like an mkmail command or something? Google turned up some obscure forum posts and bug reports but nothing really helpful. |
| 01:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | really, they both suck |
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| 01:09.21 | sprax | CutMeOwnThroat mutt and elmo? It' |
| 01:09.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | sprax, that always works out of the box.... what MTA do you have installed?s |
| 01:09.32 | sprax | It's a headless box on a shelf with no GUI |
| 01:09.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | sprax, no, the two password examples jelly-home came up with |
| 01:09.51 | asdfqwer | md is my raid device right? |
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| 01:10.10 | jelly-home | sprax: what exactly does eg. mutt complain about? |
| 01:10.23 | jelly-home | (and what is elmo?) |
| 01:11.05 | sprax | elmo is another console mail program. I don't know what, if any MTA is installed. I just want it to be local on the box, never needs to hit the network |
| 01:11.08 | garu | CutMeOwnThroat that procedure that the dpkg suggests, would allow me to uninstall stuff as well? |
| 01:11.17 | sprax | mutt says: - |
| 01:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a toothpaste called elmex, perhaps elmo is related :)9 |
| 01:11.38 | sprax | hmm, sorry, mutt says: /var/mail/root: No such file or directory (errno = 2) |
| 01:11.44 | asdfqwer | i just installed debian without a boot loader :( |
| 01:11.49 | jaggz | I'm dist upgrading right now.. glibc done.. weird. |
| 01:11.52 | asdfqwer | again. |
| 01:11.55 | jaggz | why doesn't the system crash? |
| 01:12.09 | jaggz | http://www.falstad.com/mathphysics.html |
| 01:12.21 | jelly-home | sprax: I mean I know about elm, but haven't seen elmo since Sesame Street |
| 01:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | sprax, /var/mail/root should be a file (possibly of size 0) |
| 01:13.10 | jelly-home | sprax: the folders in /var/mail are supposed to be in .mbox format, single file per mailbox |
| 01:13.18 | jaggz | that's a bunch of physics applets |
| 01:13.26 | jelly-home | sprax: merely touching an empty file would work |
| 01:13.53 | jelly-home | sprax: the error will disappear the first time you actually get some mail for the user |
| 01:14.39 | sprax | jelly-home thanks, I just did the touch on the file and the error went away. Strange I tried sending myself some test messages before and they never arrived |
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| 01:15.17 | jelly-home | sprax: yourself, the user? They should have. |
| 01:15.44 | sprax | it's strange, I start mutt, I create a message to root, subject, etc save and send, it says sent but when I go back to my inbox it says no messages |
| 01:16.00 | enouf | sprinkles jaggz with some psychic applets |
| 01:16.03 | jelly-home | sprax: that's not _your_ inbox, that's root's |
| 01:16.14 | sprax | I'm logged in as root tho |
| 01:16.50 | sprax | ahhh, ok |
| 01:16.58 | jelly-home | sprax: grep ^root /etc/aliases |
| 01:16.58 | sprax | it just doesn't like me to send mail as root |
| 01:17.07 | sprax | sorry for being so noobish |
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| 01:17.20 | enouf | asdfqwer: you don't install grub to non-physical disls |
| 01:17.23 | enouf | disks |
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| 01:18.29 | jelly-home | sprax: sending mail as root should work; however many MTAs don't like delivering it to root, so they set up either an alias or a mailbox with a different name (and owned by different user) |
| 01:18.39 | enouf | sprax: email sucks, don't it? |
| 01:18.56 | jelly-home | sprax: try sending to your normal user. |
| 01:19.15 | zc00gii | hello, I'm making a Wii distro based of etch, I'd like someone to please give me a example ~/.jwmrc as we can't get it to configure it automagically via apt-get because we haven't hacked the internal wifi adapter |
| 01:19.16 | enouf | normal users suck too :-P |
| 01:19.51 | sprax | jelly-home that did it |
| 01:20.11 | sprax | tried with my normal user and mutt did everything |
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| 01:21.05 | jelly-home | sprax: root is often a special case |
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| 01:26.44 | thasp | broadcom makes me go limp : |
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| 01:27.49 | jelly-home | thasp: bnx2! tg3! heheh |
| 01:28.00 | mnguyen | I'm using Debian Lenny, anybody know where shared fonts are stored? I downloaded a ttf font and want to use it |
| 01:28.18 | jelly-home | !fonts |
| 01:28.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>. |
| 01:28.25 | jelly-home | um. |
| 01:28.32 | jelly-home | that wasn't it |
| 01:28.45 | jelly-home | !install font |
| 01:28.45 | EEE901 | !pornview |
| 01:28.46 | dpkg | To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
| 01:28.46 | dpkg | well, pornview is an awesome porn viewer!, or good for non-porno image libraries. Just ignore the icon. |
| 01:28.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, one of the 1000 howtows and things are sure to mention it :) |
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| 01:29.29 | jelly-home | mnguyen: see above ^^ |
| 01:29.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell EEE901 -about msg the bot |
| 01:29.44 | mnguyen | thanks |
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| 01:33.04 | yitz_ | Hi. I'm looking for the package that supports tex -> pdf without having to go through .dvi |
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| 01:35.35 | zc00gii | I need an extremely light weight recording tool |
| 01:35.41 | zc00gii | anyone know of one |
| 01:35.42 | zc00gii | ? |
| 01:36.13 | jelly-home | arecord? |
| 01:36.52 | zc00gii | jelly-home: lets see if it'll run on miight!(a wii etch distro I'm working on) |
| 01:37.14 | jelly-home | if your sound driver is alsa compliant... |
| 01:38.57 | enouf | etch distro? |
| 01:38.59 | zc00gii | idk, I'll ask Muzer, and I don't want KDE based recorder programs, I really don't want to use it, as it'll just waste the little space we have |
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| 01:39.13 | zc00gii | enouf: yeah, go to #wiilinux on efnet |
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| 01:39.29 | enouf | no thanks, but thanks .. i guess |
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| 01:40.27 | zc00gii | enouf: whiite is a cli, miight is gui based, as with xwhiite, but miight can run off of a fat partition, which is a little conveniant |
| 01:40.35 | maher | how do i tell which xserver video driver I am using |
| 01:40.59 | zc00gii | enouf: modifying the kernel to get xorg running was a pain |
| 01:41.06 | enouf | zc00gii: but it's pronounced WE, no? |
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| 01:41.20 | zc00gii | enouf: yes, thats why its iite |
| 01:41.22 | enouf | wheeeaat, and meeeaat? |
| 01:41.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | maher, /etc/X11/xorg.conf and/or /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:41.42 | zc00gii | enouf: no, white, might, ex-white |
| 01:41.56 | zc00gii | enouf: lol |
| 01:43.04 | enouf | well, if your going to misspell perfectly good words on purpose, mix some CAPS in there |
| 01:43.33 | enouf | WhIIte, and MIIght or something |
| 01:43.43 | zc00gii | jelly-home: we don't use alsa |
| 01:43.52 | RichardBronosky | how do I install vim without getting the full x11 stack? (no gvim) |
| 01:43.55 | jelly-home | enouf: spAAnk |
| 01:44.18 | zc00gii | jelly-home: but I think alsa works, VLC is set to use alsa, so idk :> |
| 01:44.20 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: grep drv .... |
| 01:44.39 | sepult | are there any debian packages resembling zattoo ? |
| 01:44.46 | sepult | or even better ? |
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| 01:46.04 | asdfqwer | so i can't install or boot from grub after i've raided all my disks? |
| 01:47.11 | jamon | asdfqwer: yeah you can, just make sure your /boot is on a raid1 or standalone partition |
| 01:47.36 | asdfqwer | jamon, so is there where i'm supposed to put root? |
| 01:47.42 | asdfqwer | on my strangler? |
| 01:48.23 | thasp | what is the firmware install path for debian etch, /lib/firmware ? |
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| 01:49.50 | thasp | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-bcm43xx <-- I'm trying to install the firmware for the bcm43xx card i have, a 4318 |
| 01:49.57 | jamon | asdfqwer: your question was about booting with grub, put / wherever you want, just make sure you make a new initrd image and pass the right root=/dev/mdx option when booting |
| 01:50.07 | thasp | i can't use b43 from 2.6.28.4 because it stops working after five seconds |
| 01:50.39 | asdfqwer | jamon, this is fresh install. |
| 01:51.46 | jamon | even better asdfqwer, like i said then, just make sure /boot is on /dev/sda1 or /dev/md0 |
| 01:52.14 | asdfqwer | ok cool, how much space should i make for /boot? |
| 01:52.34 | enouf | 100M |
| 01:52.37 | jamon | i usually give it 100mb, more won't hurt |
| 01:52.51 | asdfqwer | how abou 420 MB, huh huh |
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| 01:57.02 | asdfqwer | jamon, so even if md0 doesn't have a boot flag, resizing it for a /boot dir will still do the trick? |
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| 01:59.34 | jamon | asdfqwer: it has to be bootable |
| 01:59.42 | zc00gii | I need an extremely light weight recording tool, anyone know of one? |
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| 02:00.12 | jamon | zc00gii: arecord |
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| 02:02.37 | RichardBronosky | does apt support flags/options? as in: apt-get install vim-full --no-gui |
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| 02:07.03 | jelly-home | RichardBronosky: not any flags that would change the contents of packages. |
| 02:07.36 | jelly-home | RichardBronosky: use "apt-cache search vim" to find what suits you best; probably vim-nox |
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| 02:09.04 | RichardBronosky | vim-nox is not in vanilla debian... I think I'd rather try to custom configure with dpkg than stray... opine? |
| 02:09.10 | jelly-home | RichardBronosky: though, that particular package doesn't exist in debian stable. There's one in backports.org |
| 02:09.30 | jamon | there's always emacs22-nox :p |
| 02:09.36 | jelly-home | RichardBronosky: why not just install vim-full? |
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| 02:10.18 | RichardBronosky | I don't have x11 in that VM |
| 02:10.23 | faffi | How do I change the default sound device, I have my headphones plugged in through usb and dmesg showed c-media usb headphone set |
| 02:10.34 | jelly-home | RichardBronosky: you don't have to _use_ the GUI. |
| 02:10.49 | faffi | but its defauliting to my onboard audio |
| 02:10.53 | faffi | also, hello :) |
| 02:11.01 | jelly-home | judd: versions vim-nox |
| 02:11.02 | judd | jelly-home: vim-nox -- etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2 lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 sid: 2:7.2.079-1 |
| 02:11.28 | RichardBronosky | no, but it says install x11 as a dependency |
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| 02:11.59 | jelly-home | RichardBronosky: yes, aptitude will install a lot of crap as dependencies. Is that a problem? |
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| 02:12.19 | RichardBronosky | jelly-home: I appreciate that... but I don't know how to implement (backports) |
| 02:12.25 | jelly-home | RichardBronosky: what do you need that's not available in the usual "vim" package? |
| 02:12.56 | RichardBronosky | yes any extra crap is a problem for this VM. I intend to host it when I'm done. |
| 02:13.19 | RichardBronosky | syntax highlighting |
| 02:13.30 | jelly-home | "vim" has it. |
| 02:13.50 | RichardBronosky | not the one on my debian install. |
| 02:13.55 | jelly-home | :syntax on |
| 02:14.07 | jamon | RichardBronosky: ~/.vimrc syntax on like jelly-home says |
| 02:14.16 | jelly-home | RichardBronosky: do you actually have the package named "vim" installed? |
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| 02:14.35 | RichardBronosky | how do I tell for sure? |
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| 02:14.53 | jelly-home | RichardBronosky: dpkg -l vim\*|grep ^.i |
| 02:15.34 | RichardBronosky | I have vim-common and vim-tiny |
| 02:15.41 | jelly-home | RichardBronosky: install vim. |
| 02:16.30 | RichardBronosky | thanks, I think that is going to do it. |
| 02:16.55 | RichardBronosky | I thought it was crazy to have x11 as a dependency. |
| 02:17.01 | jelly-home | RichardBronosky: use "apt-cache search ..." to find available packages with a keyword and "apt-cache show packagename" to show a description of each package |
| 02:17.37 | jelly-home | !tell RichardBronosky -about search |
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| 02:22.27 | zc00gii | I need an extremely light weigth, low dependency desktop recorder, istanbul needs waaaaaaaaaay to many packages and I can't use apt-get |
| 02:22.33 | tonsofpcs | can I use apt to install packages for a 32 bit chroot when using a 64 bit kernel? [trying to modify a 32 bit livecd] |
| 02:22.35 | RichardBronosky | I knew to search, but when I did I thought that vim-full was what I needed. |
| 02:22.43 | zc00gii | also it needs to be powerpc |
| 02:22.48 | zigovr | I have tried to install a broken sysv-rc package, I am now stuck because I can't finish to configure it nor remove it, becaut it lacks the update-rc.d script, any idea how I could repair my system ? |
| 02:23.00 | zc00gii | (not powerpc only) |
| 02:23.19 | jamon | zc00gii: xvidcap |
| 02:23.30 | zc00gii | jamon: thats x86 |
| 02:23.31 | jelly-home | zigovr: download an unbroken one and install with dpkg -i |
| 02:23.36 | alsd | tonsofpcs: you'll need 'libc6-i386' or something (not on amd64 right now) |
| 02:24.25 | tonsofpcs | alsd: well, the chroot is an entire x86 tree, nothing amd64 in it, but the kernel is 64bit |
| 02:24.33 | zigovr | jelly-home: the problem is that I can't uninstall the one that is partially installed. I might have fixed my problem by creating a link from /bin/true to update-rc.d |
| 02:24.58 | jelly-home | tonsofpcs: sure, you should be able to do apt-get update and everything |
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| 02:25.19 | jelly-home | zigovr: I didn't say anything about "uninstall" |
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| 02:25.49 | tonsofpcs | jelly-home: apt-get install would build and grab 32 bit versions then? |
| 02:26.01 | alsd | tonsofpcs: yes, so you'll need the 'libc6-i386' package to be able to run a 32 bit program |
| 02:26.17 | tonsofpcs | cool, thanks |
| 02:26.38 | alsd | tonsofpcs: once you're in the chroot it's locked from your regular system so you can do whatever |
| 02:26.57 | jelly-home | tonsofpcs: yes, if you're in an i386 chroot. The kernel doesn't enter into what dpkg and apt think. There even are amd64 kernel images in the i386 repository. |
| 02:26.58 | alsd | tonsofpcs: apt-get will get its 32bit packages all right |
| 02:27.29 | tonsofpcs | thanks :D |
| 02:27.37 | jelly-home | tonsofpcs: if "dpkg --print-architecture" says i386, that's what it is |
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| 02:49.04 | sonnie | hi there, I'm trying to make Intel wireless 3945ABG work on Lenovo E680A. Debian version: 5.0. Yesterday I happened to execute "flashrom" and the machine shutdown immediately. When rebooted again, klogd showed: [ 146.632715] iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch |
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| 02:50.13 | sonnie | I have tried to reset to defaults in BIOS, but it doesn't work. |
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| 02:50.44 | sonnie | anyone knows how to solve this problem? |
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| 02:55.01 | cwheeler | Hi I'm trying to get dual monitors to work with lenny, nvidia 8800 gt and driver from the nvidia website |
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| 03:02.35 | glipz | hello all, i m having issues with quota ..Checking quotas... it wont restart. i got the info in fstab correct.. i wonder why it does this.. |
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| 03:05.48 | rhineheart_m | hello.. anybody here who is kind enough to give me an idea on how to stream local mp4 file via http? |
| 03:06.30 | Ace2016_- | rhineheart_m: use VLC, it can act as a server |
| 03:06.45 | Tidus | i have a question. is the kernel in sid frozen at 2.6.26 for lenhy's release? |
| 03:06.49 | rhineheart_m | I'm working on headless server |
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| 03:16.06 | cwheeler | lenny is close to release? |
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| 03:23.40 | Erne26 | hey, any one has experience with cciss driver on debian? Im using debian on a HP DL380 G5 server with RAID 5 disks, and IO performance really sucks (W:20MB/s) |
| 03:24.08 | lostson | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.57 | PeterFA | Any word on when the next release is going to become testing? |
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| 03:27.43 | PeterFA | I'm kind of itching for the new release. |
| 03:27.56 | Tidus | squeeze goes to testing when lenny is released as stable |
| 03:28.11 | PeterFA | What toy was named Squeeze? |
| 03:28.21 | Tidus | the 3 eyed alien ones |
| 03:28.25 | PeterFA | Oh. |
| 03:28.44 | PeterFA | Any ballparked time frame for Lenny? |
| 03:28.58 | Tidus | tentative date is 02/14/09 according to what was just said |
| 03:29.19 | PeterFA | Tidus, cool. |
| 03:29.32 | PeterFA | I'm going to look up Squeeze and learn about it now. |
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| 03:32.05 | Tidus | so what comes after squeeze? i'd think we're runnin out of toys now |
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| 03:32.22 | Erne26 | hey, any one has experience with cciss driver on debian? Im using debian on a HP DL380 G5 server with RAID 5 disks, and IO performance really sucks (W:20MB/s) |
| 03:32.59 | PeterFA | Tidus, how about Buzz? |
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| 03:34.52 | PeterFA | Well, the website isn't exactly gregarious when it comes to info on Squeeze... |
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| 03:35.12 | PeterFA | I just want to get my kernel upgraded and I'm having a bugger of a time compiling a kernel and friends that boot. |
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| 03:37.02 | Tidus | PeterFA: don't feel too bad, i'm still on .26, needing a couple features that are in .28 |
| 03:37.11 | Tidus | just haven't got around to rolling a kernel yet |
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| 03:41.22 | stew | PeterFA: it will say more about squeze when it actually exists |
| 03:41.28 | stew | PeterFA: and buzz was the first name used |
| 03:41.34 | PeterFA | Oh. |
| 03:41.44 | PeterFA | I didn't like Buzz, the arrogant loser. |
| 03:42.06 | PeterFA | Debian Chris. |
| 03:43.47 | sepult | shit i rolled down something with my car today, but i don't know if it was a cat or a rabbit or something else |
| 03:45.02 | sepult | it came suddenly out of bushes and i didn't have had the opportunity to react that soon |
| 03:45.06 | sepult | oh my |
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| 04:20.49 | EEE901 | How long is Kgpg going to take to generate my 4096bit RSA key pair? |
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| 04:28.12 | Relentless | EEE901 wow |
| 04:28.16 | Relentless | Why do you need that? |
| 04:28.40 | Relentless | lol |
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| 04:29.23 | Relentless | EEE901 wow |
| 04:29.24 | Relentless | Why do you need that? |
| 04:29.41 | EEE901 | Facebook plugin crashed Pidgin again. >< |
| 04:29.49 | EEE901 | Relentless: Because I'm paranoid. |
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| 04:33.22 | Relentless | EEE901 ther eis a diffrence between parrinoid and IM OBVIOUSLY A PEDOPHILE |
| 04:33.41 | liable | wtf |
| 04:33.46 | EEE901 | Relentless: LOL |
| 04:35.00 | zc00gii | know this is sort of offtopic, can't find a answer anywhere, anyone here mind helping me get lighttpd working? |
| 04:35.29 | Relentless | zc00gii sure |
| 04:35.34 | zc00gii | Relentless: thanks |
| 04:35.34 | Relentless | What do you need? |
| 04:35.48 | zc00gii | trying to get mod_userdir working |
| 04:35.49 | CellKill | zc00gii, no #lighttpd? |
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| 04:35.59 | zc00gii | CellKill: dead atm |
| 04:36.04 | Relentless | right |
| 04:36.06 | CellKill | i c |
| 04:36.06 | Relentless | its dead |
| 04:36.14 | CellKill | 144 ppl dead |
| 04:36.25 | zc00gii | CellKill: nobody on lol |
| 04:36.26 | Relentless | 141 |
| 04:36.32 | CellKill | zc00gii, what's the issue with mod_userdir? |
| 04:36.43 | Relentless | also there is 721 people in this room |
| 04:36.45 | zc00gii | I get a 404 |
| 04:37.01 | Relentless | 404 Where? |
| 04:37.02 | CellKill | loaded module? |
| 04:37.06 | CellKill | set config options for it? |
| 04:37.18 | CellKill | and url is of the form server/~username |
| 04:37.18 | zc00gii | I did |
| 04:37.20 | CellKill | ? |
| 04:37.20 | zc00gii | 99.182.119.239 |
| 04:37.21 | zc00gii | my IP |
| 04:37.29 | Relentless | Dont post IPs |
| 04:37.43 | zc00gii | Relentless: I don't have a domain name yet |
| 04:37.56 | Relentless | zc00gii lets tkae this in Query |
| 04:37.57 | zc00gii | if I didn't have a cloak, you'd see that :> |
| 04:37.59 | zc00gii | k |
| 04:38.00 | CellKill | ok, zc00gii, valid username, with an accessable public_html folder? |
| 04:38.24 | CellKill | can the user that lighttpd runs as access the public_html folder? |
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| 04:47.07 | StanManCan | How do I make something load on boot ? |
| 04:47.29 | Relentless | add a script to /etc/init.d/ |
| 04:48.08 | StanManCan | and how do i go about that.. |
| 04:48.28 | Relentless | For what program? |
| 04:48.35 | StanManCan | asterisk |
| 04:49.18 | EEE901 | How long will it take the FBI to crack my 4096bit RSA encrypted photograph? |
| 04:49.33 | Relentless | symlink /usr/src/asterisk/contrib/init.d to /etc/init.d/ |
| 04:49.53 | pantos | hi |
| 04:50.56 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 04:50.56 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
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| 04:54.29 | maher | if i want to use pulseaudio do I need to add myself to the pulse-rt group? |
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| 05:29.59 | Torikun | If anyone is looking for Norton Ghost solutions for Linux, send me a direct message |
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| 05:35.12 | stoned | my nose hurts |
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| 05:42.00 | jzhou | could anyone show me some resourse on why debian use bts but not bugzilla. Thanks in advance. |
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| 05:42.58 | enouf | stoned: surgery or face palm? |
| 05:43.27 | asdfqwer | jzhou, there's a pkg for bugzilla |
| 05:44.06 | nkuttler | hm, any ideas what i can try besides reboot to get my cd to eject? it's not reacting to eject (1) or the eject button. |
| 05:44.30 | CellKill | did you umount it first? |
| 05:44.37 | CellKill | make sure it's not mounted in df |
| 05:44.41 | nkuttler | there's no cd in it :/ |
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| 05:44.57 | jzhou | asdfqwer: Thanks. But I think I am asking why http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ use bts but not bugzilla. |
| 05:46.59 | jzhou | asdfqwer: actually im trying to find out if why lots of distros use bugzilla as the bug tracking system while debian has its own bts. |
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| 05:47.41 | asdfqwer | Probably because they wanted it that way. |
| 05:47.46 | asdfqwer | I dunno, Debian is huge |
| 05:48.54 | cast|lir | that it is....just did a minimal install and its taking up 400mb of space after grabbing w3m/screen/vim-nox/irssi o_0 |
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| 05:49.37 | jzhou | asdfqwer: or i could reasonably speculate that as debian is the hugest distro on this planet, then all other distros should use bts? |
| 05:51.12 | asdfqwer | They surely support a lot of applications |
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| 05:52.52 | asdfqwer | their bts has it's own api + client-server |
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| 05:53.05 | tripzero | what package is "make" a part of? |
| 05:53.17 | asdfqwer | libc ? |
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| 05:53.59 | nkuttler | tripzero: make |
| 05:54.24 | nkuttler | tripzero: although you probably want something like build-essential |
| 05:54.37 | tripzero | ah, okay |
| 05:56.08 | jzhou | nkuttler: there is a make package |
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| 06:05.55 | cast|lir | hmm, after ive edited the partition table, how do i get linux to refresh /dev? |
| 06:07.09 | zinx | cast|lir: it should do that automatically if the device isn't busy |
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| 06:07.30 | zinx | cast|lir: or rather, fdisk/cfdisk/whatever should do it when you write the partition table |
| 06:07.53 | cast|lir | well, the OS is on /dev/sdb1, there was slack space after it, i just made a sdb2 which cfdisk sees, but theres no /dev/sdb2 :( |
| 06:07.56 | zinx | if you have any of the partitions mounted, though, it can't refresh it |
| 06:08.07 | zinx | cast|lir: you're going to have to reboot |
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| 06:08.46 | cast|lir | really? hmm, i thought there was a way i had just forgotten |
| 06:08.53 | cast|lir | thats a bit of a PITA |
| 06:08.53 | thasp | I have a raid array called md0. if I see md0_resync running using 73% of my CPU, what is it doing? |
| 06:09.00 | jzhou | zinx: i think once i deleted an /dev/sda1 and grow /dev/sda2 the fill i the blank and the /dev never get updated. |
| 06:09.13 | zinx | cast|lir: not if any piece is in use :/ |
| 06:09.19 | thasp | it's an amd 3400+, enough that a filesystem tool using 73% CPU irks me |
| 06:09.27 | enouf | thasp: resyncing |
| 06:09.30 | cast|lir | doh. brb, rebooting. like its windows 98! |
| 06:10.24 | thasp | enouf, why is it doing that ? :( |
| 06:10.25 | enouf | i dunno |
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| 06:10.33 | thasp | is there a log file i can check that'll give hints? |
| 06:10.57 | enouf | thasp: are you sure it's not part of the cron.daily scripts running |
| 06:11.36 | enouf | thasp: check out /etc/default/mdadm, and /etc/cron.d/mdadm* |
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| 06:12.23 | cast|lir | well, least it was a fast boot :) |
| 06:12.38 | thasp | enouf, apparently it is a weekly script that checks the array. it was put there automatically, so i didn't know, i got scared for nothing. thanks |
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| 06:13.07 | thasp | with 3 modern 1 tb drives and an amd 3400+ in a raid 5 array, is this something that will take minutes, or hours? estimated |
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| 06:15.01 | trophaeum | iv got a debian box with 4gig of ram in it but it shows Memory: 3335228k/3397184k available (1929k kernel code, 61568k reserved, 870k data, 176k init) in the kernel and is only seeing 3.2gig of ram, any suggestions on what to do/where to go from here? |
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| 06:20.05 | cast|lir | hmm, im trying to make without recommends the default. in /etc/apt.conf ive put APT { Install-Recommends "false"; }; but its not affecting aptitude at all. suggestions? |
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| 06:21.41 | tr1dent | I set up 2 dhcp servers so one's the failover and the other's the primary, but they both seem to be acting as primary servers, right now. the times on the systems are within a few seconds of each other |
| 06:23.04 | bn43 | Hi I am tryin to modify the pon dialup script to restart ntop everytime it dials - I add the command at the end of the pon script but it does not execute - can someone help pls? |
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| 06:24.11 | feliperibeiro | anyone managing PHP server with APC enabled? |
| 06:25.34 | christoz | good morning! :d |
| 06:26.32 | cast|lir | morning christoz |
| 06:29.21 | enouf | christoz: aptitude can use the -R option, iinm - is your line working for apt-get? |
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| 06:30.12 | enouf | er, cast|lir , not christoz |
| 06:30.18 | christoz | :P |
| 06:30.25 | enouf | cast|lir: i have this; |
| 06:30.30 | enouf | ~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 06:30.31 | enouf | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 06:30.40 | cast|lir | hmmm |
| 06:30.47 | cast|lir | i set that in apt.conf |
| 06:30.52 | enouf | but i don't use aptitude |
| 06:30.55 | cast|lir | but it didnt work, found a bugreport of the same issue |
| 06:31.23 | enouf | cast|lir: /etc/apt/apt.conf is ok too - not sure if filename/location affects aptitude at all |
| 06:31.35 | cast|lir | just trying to work out what voodoo i need to make aptitude do -R be default :( |
| 06:31.57 | enouf | alais aptitude= |
| 06:32.08 | enouf | alais aptitude='aptitude -R' :-P |
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| 06:32.49 | cast|lir | ahh might have found a work around |
| 06:32.49 | enouf | erm alias ... |
| 06:32.49 | cast|lir | as well as settin Install-Recommends one has to set Recommends-Important |
| 06:32.49 | cast|lir | thats a cheap hack enouf :P |
| 06:32.51 | enouf | my friggin forearm tendon is killing me :-p |
| 06:32.59 | cast|lir | RSI? |
| 06:33.32 | enouf | i think it's related to my ring finger knuckle |
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| 06:36.03 | cast|lir | too much bling eh |
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| 06:37.50 | lazarus477 | small question. I am on an up to date Lenny setup. SAMBA issue. For some time now NMBD/nmbd refuses to start up with SMBD/smbd when the system has booted. |
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| 06:38.04 | lazarus477 | Any workarounds, bugs, fixes, config settings? |
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| 06:41.04 | cast|lir | hmmm, definately a known aptitude bug |
| 06:41.12 | cast|lir | dont make me switch to apt-get damnit :( |
| 06:41.31 | lazarus477 | Hmm, cat|lir? Talking to me? |
| 06:41.45 | lazarus477 | cast|lir ... |
| 06:42.05 | thasp | if i kill this md0_resync process will it keep reappearing? |
| 06:42.34 | thasp | it is still going a half hour later, i just want to use the array now, i'll run that while i sleep |
| 06:42.42 | cast|lir | lazarus477: nah, i ran into an aptitude bug in testing is all |
| 06:44.26 | thasp | i'm never getting my array back :( |
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| 06:44.51 | lazarus477 | oh |
| 06:45.24 | lazarus477 | cast|lir, nothing serious I hope? |
| 06:45.48 | cast|lir | hmm, or not...apt-get install gnome is grabbing way more shit than aptitude -R install gnome |
| 06:46.02 | cast|lir | gives up and just uses -R |
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| 06:49.07 | lazarus477 | no shit |
| 06:49.09 | lazarus477 | haha |
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| 06:49.54 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a way to manually activate my fan to full power? |
| 06:51.05 | cast|lir | hmmm, i presume i only need one of xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi? but which one...7" LCD eee screen |
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| 06:52.45 | cast|lir | screw it, ill worry about it when i start running out of space |
| 06:56.52 | enouf | thasp: not sure, let it run this one time, next time, schedule it to run when you want |
| 06:59.55 | thasp | i just want to benchmark 2 different programs at the moment |
| 07:00.03 | thasp | i would typically want it to run at this time |
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| 07:00.57 | linlin | i have an existing software raid0 array of 2 drives, and i am looking to add 3 more drives to this array. can that be done without rebuilding the entire array? |
| 07:04.54 | stoned | enouf, dry air |
| 07:05.05 | stoned | enouf, not enouf humidity |
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| 07:06.05 | enouf | thasp: seen file:///usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.checkarray ? |
| 07:06.15 | enouf | stoned: boil water |
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| 07:28.22 | amitz | !ask openssl-blacklist |
| 07:28.39 | amitz | !openssl-blacklist |
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| 07:29.54 | amitz | where should I put openssl-blacklist package? In server, client, or both? thx in advance |
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| 07:32.36 | cast|lir | server for sure |
| 07:32.46 | cast|lir | its a depends of openssh-server, in lenny at least |
| 07:32.55 | magicquotes | hi all! i need help. i was converting mpeg to flv using ffmpeg. after the conversion, when i play the video it has no sound. im using debian etch4 2.6.8. anyone solved this? thanks in advance. |
| 07:33.19 | amitz | cast|lir: it's no longer a dependency in lenny |
| 07:33.20 | magicquotes | sorry, debian 2.6.18 |
| 07:35.48 | cast|lir | amitz: you sure, my lenny [i386] it is |
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| 07:37.47 | amitz | ah, sorry, there is openssh and there is openssl.. |
| 07:39.15 | enouf | amitz: /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 07:40.04 | amitz | thx enouf |
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| 07:54.58 | gfather | hello guys |
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| 07:56.15 | gfather | any one knows if there is a free e learning program for linux or debian ,get certificate , or some good learning videos from meduim to very advanced level ? |
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| 08:00.35 | craigevil | gfather: idk about debian , but there is a puppy linux site that has videos and there are quite a few videos on youtube |
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| 08:04.52 | gfather | craigevil cheked youtube videos , they are foor noobs and mostlly about the gui |
| 08:05.27 | arezey | gfather, what exactly do you want to learn? |
| 08:05.38 | gfather | every thing :) |
| 08:05.44 | craigevil | rute, http://tldp.org/ and the debian docs are your best places to start |
| 08:05.57 | arezey | the human brain can't take everything in linux... not that i'd be aware of it |
| 08:06.55 | gfather | well the problem is , i ahev some books , but whenever i start to read i get bored , so i thought , maybe elearning , or videos could help me better |
| 08:07.39 | arezey | never read books about linux... some tutorials and a ton of manual pages, however |
| 08:08.33 | gfather | arezey thats when u have something specific u want to do , and you want to learn about it , |
| 08:08.57 | arezey | isn't that what linux is about? |
| 08:09.23 | cast|lir | gfather: so pick a list of specific things |
| 08:09.33 | gfather | but i got really big hals in linux becouse of this , like sometimes , i need to do something , and i go to learn something els becouse without it i cant do the first thing i intended to do |
| 08:09.56 | cast|lir | thats what happens |
| 08:09.58 | arezey | so go to the root of the dependencies |
| 08:10.39 | gfather | cast|lir its not like that , well i changed from windows now , and i want to be good in linux , as in all os , so if i have something specific to do , i wouldent get lost |
| 08:10.42 | craigevil | only linux book i have every bought was The Debian System |
| 08:10.44 | gfather | if you got what i mean |
| 08:11.24 | arezey | well i'd say getting to know the command line is the first thing a power user should learn |
| 08:11.45 | gfather | what i mean , i want to be a power user in linux , so i can easily do specific things |
| 08:11.59 | cast|lir | i suggest stop using x |
| 08:12.14 | arezey | the coreutils docs http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/index.html is something worth looking imo |
| 08:12.30 | gfather | yah im trying to do that , but as i said , books are killing me , and i cant afford to pay for elearning :) |
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| 08:13.09 | gfather | arezey just bookmarked that , seems interesting |
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| 08:16.28 | craigevil | http://linuxcommand.org/ , along with the Apt howto, dpkg reference, debian-reference, debian-refcard, apt-dpkg-ref would all be good things to read and install |
| 08:17.56 | gfather | oks |
| 08:18.18 | craigevil | !grounding |
| 08:18.18 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 08:19.26 | gfather | thanks |
| 08:19.37 | gfather | ill start one by one |
| 08:20.06 | craigevil | the deb reference card can be printed it has a lot of helpful command on a couple of pages |
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| 08:25.20 | enouf | http://os.cqu.edu.au/lark/ gfather is another overall good site |
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| 08:26.49 | craigevil | gfather: what i did when i first started was put all the sites i found helpful on a webpage, and printed a ton of stuff to keep in a notebook |
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| 08:27.09 | _joey | what utility should I install to get iwpriv tool? |
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| 08:28.04 | _joey | what utility should I install to get iwpriv tool? |
| 08:28.32 | enouf | wireless-tools, wpasupplicant ? |
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| 08:30.53 | _joey | thanks |
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| 08:35.28 | Naisel | hi am Naisel am new in this world |
| 08:35.43 | Naisel | am from Dominican Republic |
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| 08:36.20 | Naisel | i wanted know everything about Debian |
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| 08:38.37 | gfather | craigevil no notebook :) |
| 08:39.02 | gfather | <enouf> thanks |
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| 08:51.06 | jikbag | Does having the GNU toolchain (build-essential) installed on your server present a significant security risk? |
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| 08:52.40 | pif | [OT] hi, what is the best _fanless_ graphic card money can buy? |
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| 08:52.49 | pif | for linux of course |
| 08:53.15 | cast|lir | jikbag: no. why would it? |
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| 08:54.17 | jikbag | cast|lir: I didn't think so. Another sysadmin tried to tell me that build-essential should never be install on a production system. |
| 08:55.33 | jikbag | Googling says that some exploits might try to self-build, but if an attacker can run gcc on your system, I think you have bigger proglems. |
| 08:56.42 | RayTracer | pif, somewhat outdated meanwhile, I have an asus en6600gt silent |
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| 08:57.41 | pif | oki |
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| 08:59.12 | cast|lir | jikbag: indeed. |
| 08:59.44 | cast|lir | jikbag: there's actually useful shit you can be doing, rather than screwing aroudn adding and removing build-essential |
| 08:59.46 | jikbag | cast|lir: thanks, just looking for some reassurance |
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| 09:01.40 | sniffle | What is the "recommended" tool for performing package management on debian gnu/linux systems? (apt-get / aptitude / something else? ) |
| 09:02.20 | cast|lir | sniffle: aptitude, but hell, apt-get will work great too |
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| 09:05.25 | [ka]killer | im having a small problem |
| 09:05.34 | [ka]killer | trying to tar a file and it keeps throwing an error |
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| 09:05.51 | [ka]killer | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/jonjim9096/17b575cc.png |
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| 09:06.46 | RayTracer | [ka]killer, you're sure bzip2 is installed? try tar xzf instead |
| 09:06.57 | sniffle | apt-get install bzip2 ? |
| 09:07.21 | cast|lir | what was the error? for those without x |
| 09:07.59 | sniffle | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 09:08.19 | cast|lir | ahh. |
| 09:08.35 | cast|lir | yeah, sure, install bzip2 :) |
| 09:08.50 | [ka]killer | bzip2 has no installation candidate |
| 09:08.53 | _joey | does anyone know official channel on this network for wireless drivers? |
| 09:10.12 | [ka]killer | Package bzip2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 09:10.26 | [ka]killer | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
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| 09:10.37 | cahoot | _joey: there is one #wireless |
| 09:11.05 | sniffle | [ka]killer: what branch is that? |
| 09:12.02 | [ka]killer | to be honest im not sure... |
| 09:12.49 | [ka]killer | should be the latest stable |
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| 09:15.32 | [ka]killer | blargh, getting the tarball of bzip2 |
| 09:16.05 | cast|lir | why dont you fix apt instead |
| 09:16.06 | sniffle | [ka]killer: odd enough. I'd try an `apt-get update && apt-get install bzip2`. if that doesn't work, `apt-cache search bzip2` |
| 09:16.52 | AFKaz | Yeah, what's wrong with your apt-get? |
| 09:17.02 | [ka]killer | cant find bzip2 |
| 09:18.20 | [ka]killer | i got the tarball for gzip 2 |
| 09:18.23 | [ka]killer | bzip2* |
| 09:18.24 | sniffle | broken mirror perhaps? |
| 09:18.26 | cast|lir | and what does your sources look like |
| 09:18.27 | [ka]killer | now im just trying to install it |
| 09:18.39 | cast|lir | rather than the tarball why didnt you get the .deb? |
| 09:19.07 | AFKaz | sniffle: broken mirror for what? If you're talking his IRCd install, that's fine. I can verify |
| 09:19.21 | [ka]killer | thats not the problem kaz |
| 09:19.26 | [ka]killer | apt-get cant find bzip2 |
| 09:19.32 | AFKaz | ah |
| 09:19.38 | _joey | which package do I install to get svn? |
| 09:19.40 | AFKaz | that'd be...one hell of a problem |
| 09:19.54 | cast|lir | _joey: subversion |
| 09:19.56 | sniffle | AFKaz: hmm? I meant perhaps he's got some funky apt sources |
| 09:20.10 | _joey | thanks |
| 09:20.18 | AFKaz | err, apt-get subversion, yeah |
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| 09:20.22 | [ka]killer | package bzip2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. this may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
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| 09:20.49 | [ka]killer | i think my source list is screwed up -_- |
| 09:21.19 | [ka]killer | i just set up this machine |
| 09:21.24 | sniffle | if you show us yours we'll show you ours |
| 09:21.29 | faffi | haha |
| 09:21.38 | [ka]killer | xD |
| 09:21.40 | [ka]killer | hold on |
| 09:21.45 | [ka]killer | im jumping around to the vm and back |
| 09:22.14 | [ka]killer | blargh its 4:30 some one remind me how to view my source list Dx |
| 09:22.24 | faffi | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:22.31 | [ka]killer | thaks |
| 09:22.41 | AFKaz | I think you were right. 30 minutes to grab the file, 2 hours to decompress it |
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| 09:23.58 | Panarchy | says Hi |
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| 09:25.14 | [ka]killer | yeah my source list is defiantly messed up |
| 09:25.15 | [ka]killer | http://pastebin.com/m3ecd2e7f |
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| 09:25.29 | [ka]killer | any spelling mistakes in the pastebin were me i had to hand type that... |
| 09:25.51 | Panarchy | handtype |
| 09:25.52 | Panarchy | ? |
| 09:25.54 | AFKaz | Yeah, it's broken. |
| 09:25.54 | Panarchy | I like it :P |
| 09:26.30 | [ka]killer | i should not be doing this at 4:30 in the morning xD |
| 09:26.38 | [ka]killer | what do i need to add? |
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| 09:27.54 | AFKaz | Here's the one I have |
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| 09:28.52 | AFKaz | http://rafb.net/p/2ImLQd60.html |
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| 09:29.06 | [ka]killer | how did i get such a borken source file Dx |
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| 09:29.40 | AFKaz | how OLD is the one you have? |
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| 09:30.30 | AFKaz | stable doesn't mean recent. >_> |
| 09:30.44 | [ka]killer | its the latest stable release o_o |
| 09:30.53 | [ka]killer | you were talking to me while i was installing it |
| 09:31.04 | AFKaz | yes, I know |
| 09:31.14 | AFKaz | I mean I'm too lazy to look up when it was last updated |
| 09:31.16 | AFKaz | :P |
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| 09:33.01 | [ka]killer | lol |
| 09:33.06 | [ka]killer | ok fixed my sources |
| 09:33.19 | AFKaz | alright, try the command agan |
| 09:33.31 | [ka]killer | yes bzip2 installed |
| 09:33.38 | [ka]killer | 30min to get the file |
| 09:33.42 | [ka]killer | 1 hour to uncompress it |
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| 09:33.46 | [ka]killer | i was close |
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| 09:34.08 | AFKaz | aye |
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| 09:39.19 | osFrenchDude1 | who I need to contact to report someone about porn ..? |
| 09:39.22 | ghaleb | hello, I have ldap and samba for simple file sharing installed, all what I want is just users use their accounts and passwords stored in ldap to access their home directories and group folders, do I need to have pam_ldap configured or just configure smb.conf to access ldap ? |
| 09:42.02 | lazarus477 | Can someone tell me why nmbd is not starting up alongside smbd during startup? |
| 09:42.05 | lazarus477 | Lenny |
| 09:42.56 | Panarchy | says Hi |
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| 09:45.17 | rs_ | people when i joined debian room i got private msg from Lezbiyen-20 saying free porno vids |
| 09:45.22 | rs_ | is she a bot ? |
| 09:45.25 | rs_ | kick her |
| 09:45.26 | cast|lir | osFrenchDude1: is it worth posting? |
| 09:45.51 | cast|lir | !ops Lezbiyen-20 is offering free porn |
| 09:45.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cast|lir complains about: Lezbiyen-20 is offering free porn |
| 09:46.36 | cast|lir | says hi to Panarchy, too |
| 09:46.59 | _joey | what I compile a package I get this error: warning: implicit declaration of function âsqlite3_prepare_v2â |
| 09:47.05 | _joey | what's missing? |
| 09:47.09 | _joey | what should I install? |
| 09:47.29 | liable | some header file |
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| 09:47.33 | rs_ | !ops Lezbiyen-20 is offferinf free porn |
| 09:47.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rs_ complains about: Lezbiyen-20 is offferinf free porn |
| 09:48.10 | [ka]killer | you misspelled "offering" |
| 09:48.19 | rs_ | !ops Lezbiyen-20 is offfering free porn |
| 09:48.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rs_ complains about: Lezbiyen-20 is offfering free porn |
| 09:48.25 | [ka]killer | too many "f"s |
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| 09:48.33 | rs_ | !ops Lezbiyen-20 is offering free porn |
| 09:48.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rs_ complains about: Lezbiyen-20 is offering free porn |
| 09:48.41 | Kularek | hello :) |
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| 09:48.47 | rs_ | whats that for ? |
| 09:48.53 | rs_ | complaining the room about her ? |
| 09:48.56 | Kularek | could someone can tell me how configuration file is parsed in exim4 ? becouse i have update-exim4.conf.conf and in inside have dc_other_hostnames ... so i try grep -ir 'local_domains' * and he dont find any records in files into conf.d so my question is where i should put my configuration in update-exim4.conf.conf using dc_var_name=... or directly in conf.d files ? |
| 09:48.58 | Kularek | ? |
| 09:48.59 | rs_ | is Lezbiyen-20 a bot ? |
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| 09:49.15 | osFrenchDude1 | cast|lir: yeah, precisely... |
| 09:49.40 | _joey | what I those? |
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| 09:50.19 | tarabas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:50.29 | blast_hardcheese | reported in #freenode |
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| 09:51.24 | cast|lir | freenode opers, they do stuff. |
| 09:51.31 | blast_hardcheese | agreed |
| 09:51.48 | [ka]killer | lol |
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| 09:54.39 | osFrenchDude1 | Hi, I'd like to install the nvidia-glx driver from experimental. Is there a tutorial I can use to do it clean..? |
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| 09:57.38 | evilchristel | :) |
| 09:57.54 | [ka]killer | T_T |
| 09:58.04 | [ka]killer | -bash: make: command not found |
| 09:58.20 | Relentless | apt-get install make |
| 09:58.39 | cast|lir | build-essential, too |
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| 10:00.23 | [ka]killer | i really should not be doing this at 5am |
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| 10:01.14 | Kularek | anybody ? |
| 10:01.38 | [ka]killer | conf.conf? |
| 10:01.46 | Kularek | ya |
| 10:02.04 | [ka]killer | sorry never messed with it, and i've never seen a config file for a config file o_o |
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| 10:02.31 | Kularek | its orginal file for exim4 in debian :) |
| 10:02.44 | [ka]killer | lol |
| 10:03.43 | Kularek | and i whant to know how exim read it or his own config file |
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| 10:06.38 | vlt | Hello. What does "aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude;" do in the bot's answer to "etch->lenny"? |
| 10:07.19 | vlt | Does it install the lenny version of aptitude replacing itself? |
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| 10:09.07 | vlt | Can someone please tell me what "sid", "unstable" and "testing" means? Is sid == unstable == lenny? |
| 10:09.39 | andeghost | testing=lenny now |
| 10:09.45 | Jemt | !tell vlt about testing |
| 10:09.49 | Jemt | !tell vlt about unstable |
| 10:09.50 | Jemt | !tell vlt about stable |
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| 10:11.15 | ces200 | !tell ces200 testing |
| 10:11.34 | ces200 | !tell ces200 about testing |
| 10:11.50 | arezey | !tell ces200 about selftell |
| 10:12.21 | andeghost | !tesll andeghost debian |
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| 10:12.39 | andeghost | !tell andeghost debian |
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| 10:13.07 | vlt | ces200, arezey, andeghost: You can talk to the bot directly: /msg dpkg question |
| 10:13.18 | andeghost | ... |
| 10:13.21 | [ka]killer | how do i shutdown from terminal... ive only ever had to reboot or logout |
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| 10:13.35 | arezey | vlt, i've been selftelling? |
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| 10:14.48 | arezey | [ka]killer, sudo halt |
| 10:14.58 | vlt | arezey: No, sorry ;) |
| 10:15.05 | vlt | So there's "stable" (which is etch currently), "testing" aka "sid" (which is lenny now) and "unstable", right? |
| 10:15.16 | arezey | unstable is lenny |
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| 10:15.20 | arezey | sid is sid :) |
| 10:15.25 | arezey | er wait.. |
| 10:15.30 | arezey | testing is lenny, unstable is sid |
| 10:15.32 | vlt | don't get it |
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| 10:16.39 | vlt | So there's "stable" (which is etch currently), "testing" (which is lenny now) and "unstable" aka "sid". Is that correct now? |
| 10:16.45 | arezey | yap |
| 10:18.19 | vlt | What's a good way to port back a package from sid to lenny? |
| 10:19.16 | andeghost | aptitude remove;aptitude install? |
| 10:19.38 | vlt | ? |
| 10:19.57 | rs_ | am using sidux , how can i install new screen savers ? |
| 10:20.26 | cahoot | rs_: best ask #sidux |
| 10:20.32 | Jemt | vlt: Check backports.org :) |
| 10:20.37 | arezey | !tell rs_ about debian based |
| 10:20.56 | rs_ | which server ? |
| 10:21.11 | Jemt | vlt: The back port you want may already exist on backports.org |
| 10:21.47 | Jemt | !tell vlt about simple sid backport |
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| 10:23.05 | myeggo | hello, i am trying to install gnome video arcade and ./configure says that does not finds gconf-2.0, i have installed gconf2 and gconf2-common, libgconf2-4 |
| 10:23.20 | myeggo | i dont find a gconf-2.0 package or similar that i dont have installed already |
| 10:23.26 | myeggo | some advice? |
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| 10:25.02 | vlt | Jemt: Thank you. Where can I find backports _to_ lenny? (Looks to me as if there are only ports to etch on bpo.) |
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| 10:25.50 | Jemt | vlt: Oh, I think that's right - packages from Sid has not yet been backported |
| 10:26.15 | Jemt | vlt: Then read what 'dpkg' send you. It describes how to install packages from Sid (unstable) on Lenny (testing) |
| 10:26.53 | Jemt | Or on Etch (stable) for that matter |
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| 10:29.41 | valdyn | myeggo: im sure theres a -dev package |
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| 10:30.59 | myeggo | hey valdyn, thank you! |
| 10:31.19 | myeggo | libgconf2-dev was ok |
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| 10:47.06 | osFrenchDude | Hi, I'm running a debian lenny and I installed compiz-fusion from the tux family (repo of shame). I'd like kwin to be replaced by compiz...is it possible..?? I mean I don't even want kwin to be loaded |
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| 10:48.28 | vlt | Jemt: Thank you. |
| 10:48.35 | Jemt | vlt: You are very welcome :) |
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| 11:00.11 | Kularek | why i get malformed macro definition when i try use single configuration file for exim4 ? exactly on this line: DEBCONFlistenonpublicDEBCONF |
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| 11:02.30 | Kularek | general he reports errors like upsdairs but not in all line |
| 11:02.45 | Kularek | :/ what is this fuciking DEBCONF ? |
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| 11:06.03 | chihau | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debconf_(software_package) |
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| 11:13.01 | Kularek | Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. |
| 11:13.07 | Kularek | aa |
| 11:13.24 | hachi | I have a process here that isn't dying with SIGKILL, happens to be firefox... but whatever |
| 11:13.36 | hachi | I don't have and haven't had any NFS or other strange mount types |
| 11:13.49 | hachi | no locked filesystems, no other errors |
| 11:14.05 | hachi | can't ptrace the thing anymore... can't do much of anything to the process |
| 11:14.14 | hachi | anyone know what it could be? |
| 11:14.31 | themill | Kularek: yes it does. |
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| 11:15.55 | arezey | hachi, SIGTERM (15)? it's brutal but it truly wipes out the process, works for me. |
| 11:16.29 | hachi | uh, 9 is more forceful than 15 |
| 11:16.37 | arezey | isn't 9 SIGKILL? |
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| 11:16.42 | arezey | er, wait.. |
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| 11:18.06 | hachi | the process is actually marked defunct by the kernel |
| 11:18.14 | hachi | but isn't being cleaned up... |
| 11:18.28 | EugenMayer | how to count all mysql childs ( forked processes? ) |
| 11:18.30 | magicquotes | hi! can anyone help me on what codecs should i use on vlc 0.8 to be able to convert it to flv? i'm using debian etch4 2.6.18. thanks inadvance |
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| 11:20.25 | hachi | EugenMayer: mysql uses threads, try the 'm' option for ps maybe |
| 11:20.56 | hachi | you can also connect to mysql and issue show full processlist and I think that will list all threads |
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| 11:23.21 | EugenMayer | hachi: this does actually list me all apache forks e.g. but not mysql |
| 11:23.29 | EugenMayer | hachi: i want to check this by nagios / monit |
| 11:23.32 | hachi | mysql doesn't fork |
| 11:23.34 | hachi | it uses threads |
| 11:23.41 | EugenMayer | ok |
| 11:23.42 | hachi | square peg, round hole |
| 11:23.55 | hachi | the 'm' option shows threads |
| 11:24.01 | hachi | but they're all under the same PID |
| 11:24.27 | EugenMayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.28 | EugenMayer | 4 |
| 11:24.34 | EugenMayer | there are at least 30 right now |
| 11:24.38 | EugenMayer | ( htop ) |
| 11:24.41 | hachi | I'm looking at my screen right now |
| 11:24.59 | hachi | oh hey |
| 11:25.03 | hachi | it doesn't say mysql on every line |
| 11:25.15 | hachi | try looking at the output before piping it through grep |
| 11:25.45 | hachi | if you happen to be running it as uid mysql, then you can grep with aumx |
| 11:27.41 | EugenMayer | hachi: hey cool idea |
| 11:27.45 | EugenMayer | "u" does the job |
| 11:28.05 | hachi | why not just connect with mysql's client |
| 11:28.10 | hachi | and see if you can connect |
| 11:28.17 | hachi | and then issue show full processlist; |
| 11:28.45 | hachi | oh, I guess that doesn't show idle threads or something |
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| 11:41.14 | peleg | Do you know if there's a way to install Debian on a usb hard-drive in a way that it'll work on other computers? (such as ubuntu, xp etc.) |
| 11:41.21 | dusty_ | Hey guys I have a really strange problem with my bind9 debian dns server. For some reason it is being recursive I have the following set though: allow-recursion { 38.106.105.139; 38.106.105.140; 38.106.105.141; 173.45.242.147; 127.0.0.1; localhost; }; and recursion yes; - so why is it allowing recursive queries from other ips not listed in that acl ? |
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| 11:41.27 | peleg | Something like "live-cd" |
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| 11:41.56 | Balgan | peleg |
| 11:41.57 | Balgan | yes |
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| 11:42.02 | dusty_ | Hey guys I have a really strange problem with my bind9 debian dns server. For some reason it is being recursive I have the following set though: allow-recursion { 38.106.105.139; |
| 11:42.05 | Balgan | download unetbootin |
| 11:42.06 | dusty_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.08 | dusty_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.10 | Balgan | download the debian iso |
| 11:42.11 | dusty_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.14 | Balgan | and create it |
| 11:42.53 | peleg | Balgan, thanks! Do I need to do it from an existing debian, or can I use my existing ubuntu to do it? |
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| 11:43.17 | Balgan | u can use ubuntu windows wtv it works in most OS's |
| 11:43.29 | Balgan | just download the debian (or other linux distro for that matter) and choose it |
| 11:43.37 | Balgan | choose the usb hard drive |
| 11:43.42 | Balgan | and it creates the live cd |
| 11:44.15 | peleg | but I'll still be able to use that hard-drive as regular space, right? |
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| 11:44.50 | Balgan | id backup what u have on it |
| 11:44.54 | Balgan | b4 creating the hard drive |
| 11:44.58 | liable | !u |
| 11:44.58 | Balgan | as a live cd |
| 11:44.58 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:46.02 | peleg | Balgan, I have nothing there. Should I download the "Official CD/DVD images of the "stable" release"? |
| 11:46.20 | Balgan | yes |
| 11:46.26 | peleg | ok, cheers! :-) |
| 11:46.29 | Balgan | no prob |
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| 11:47.57 | peleg | Balgan, hmm... I have too many choices: "[alpha][amd64][arm][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch]" ..? |
| 11:48.27 | peleg | If it should work with most of the computers -- what should I choose? |
| 11:48.35 | arezey | peleg, i386 |
| 11:48.35 | Balgan | depends |
| 11:48.38 | Balgan | but go |
| 11:48.41 | Balgan | fori386 |
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| 11:48.47 | peleg | ok, thanks |
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| 11:52.59 | debianisbetterth | I wonder if anyone can help me |
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| 11:53.09 | debianisbetterth | I have a boot image I boot though the network and a cd image |
| 11:53.15 | beardy | Keep wondering or ask your question. |
| 11:53.59 | debianisbetterth | the boot image work fine except it only has network modules, I have the scsi modules on the cd image, but no network modules, I'm trying to figure out how to extract the boot image and then recompress it after adding the modules from the cd |
| 11:54.12 | debianisbetterth | does anyone know what format or how to extract debian boot images |
| 11:54.19 | debianisbetterth | i guess it would be kernel images |
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| 12:09.42 | jackweb | Hello. I did dist-upgrade to testing and I've got black cursor of the mouse. How to change it? [GNOME] |
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| 12:18.27 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:18.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd171 is <opensores> A readme is telling me to type '/sbin/ifconfig ra0 inet YOUR_IP up' but what do I replace YOUR_IP with? |
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| 12:27.58 | kaduk | Hi |
| 12:28.06 | kaduk | how to run notify-send from root ? |
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| 12:32.39 | joneal | Hi |
| 12:32.51 | joneal | I'm upgrading from Etch to Lenny |
| 12:33.09 | lostson | good for you |
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| 12:34.06 | bolt | is currently upgrading a machine from windows xp to lenny :D |
| 12:34.14 | joneal | Hope things turn out for the best |
| 12:34.33 | joneal | because I've never done this before |
| 12:34.49 | bolt | joneal: nothing much that can go wrong. just pay attention |
| 12:35.02 | bolt | joneal: oh, and backups are always good |
| 12:35.42 | joneal | I should have thought of that |
| 12:36.16 | RayTracer | wouldn't it be good to have a --direct-io switch in tar to make it use O_DIRECT on its open() calls? |
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| 12:37.10 | bolt | stares blankly at joneal and plays the opening part of beethoven's fifth |
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| 12:39.08 | ghaleb | hello my named service takes around 30% of my memory, I notice some delay in response, I don't see anything at the log .. any help ? |
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| 12:42.56 | K|NgGh0sT | .msg dpkg nvidia-post-etch |
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| 12:44.16 | K|NgGh0sT | hrmm |
| 12:45.05 | K|NgGh0sT | what's the dpkg nvidia oneliner command? |
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| 12:46.00 | Zharf | dpkg, tell K|NgGh0sT -about nvidia |
| 12:46.23 | K|NgGh0sT | That just gives the nvidia installer |
| 12:46.26 | K|NgGh0sT | not the one liner |
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| 12:48.37 | nsadmin | !nvidia one liner |
| 12:48.38 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 12:48.49 | nsadmin | any better? :P |
| 12:48.56 | Zharf | no it's the same :) |
| 12:49.12 | Zharf | !nvidia m-a |
| 12:49.12 | dpkg | The short version: aptitude install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For the long version, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 12:49.20 | Zharf | there |
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| 12:49.55 | K|NgGh0sT | huzzah |
| 12:49.56 | K|NgGh0sT | thanks |
| 12:50.01 | nsadmin | why doesn't "one liner" say that, again? |
| 12:50.09 | K|NgGh0sT | it used to |
| 12:50.12 | Zharf | who knows |
| 12:50.18 | K|NgGh0sT | same with nvidia_post_etch |
| 12:51.10 | nsadmin | maybe they want those names to go away\ |
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| 13:10.23 | fgcity | hi everyone |
| 13:10.58 | fgcity | i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but i could use alll the help i could get |
| 13:11.10 | fgcity | i am building an iMX31 platform |
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| 13:11.28 | fgcity | and need to have atleast 1GB Flash and 512MB RAM |
| 13:11.46 | fgcity | could anyone suggest any hardware IC's that would suit the application? |
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| 13:12.26 | beardy | No, it isn't the right place. |
| 13:12.38 | fgcity | could you suggest the right place? |
| 13:12.42 | beardy | #hardware |
| 13:12.50 | fgcity | tnx |
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| 13:14.05 | esteel | i'm using debian unstable and vlc is a bitch with mp3 playback.. sounds like lots of hickups during playback. kinda like if the cpu would not be able to cope with it, but vlc only uses 3% cpu.. i tried deleting ~/.vlc .. any ideas what i could do? |
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| 13:15.29 | abrotman | esteel: tried another player? |
| 13:15.32 | beardy | esteel: Check the encoding quality of those files. Have you played them in another player? |
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| 13:18.53 | esteel | abrotman: beardy yeah, totem and rythmbox are fine |
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| 13:19.10 | esteel | but i dont like either interface too much |
| 13:19.21 | lostson | esteel: are you using pulesaudio by chance |
| 13:22.08 | esteel | lostson: not that i would know about :). whats the process name of the pulse audio server? |
| 13:22.19 | lostson | pulseaudio |
| 13:22.34 | esteel | too easy :P |
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| 13:22.55 | esteel | lostson: no, its not running |
| 13:23.41 | lostson | well that shoots my idea then |
| 13:24.12 | lostson | abrotman and beardy are the freakn geniuses around here though they will probably get you fixed up right |
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| 13:24.39 | esteel | well i guess i could live with rhytmbox if there were a way to get it to just ignore the artist info in the mp3 and sort it via directory structure, like vlc does |
| 13:24.41 | abrotman | is looking at maps ... |
| 13:25.08 | abrotman | esteel: which totem do you have? totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ? |
| 13:25.18 | lostson | esteel: you could try other players there are alot of them out there |
| 13:25.44 | esteel | i A totem-gstreamer - A simple media player for the GNOME desktop based on GStreamer |
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| 13:26.10 | esteel | lostson: well so far i have not found one that i like as much as vlc :( |
| 13:26.44 | abrotman | esteel: did you check the BTS for a similar bug ? |
| 13:27.13 | esteel | abrotman: not yet.. asking a quick question here is faster then searching the bts |
| 13:27.21 | abrotman | judd: versions vlc |
| 13:27.22 | judd | abrotman: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 sid: 0.8.6.h-5 experimental: 0.9.8a-1 |
| 13:27.38 | abrotman | the vlc i have seems to work just fine, but i've got the lenny one |
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| 13:28.12 | abrotman | is it just mp3 ? |
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| 13:29.40 | esteel | abrotman: no, getting same problem with some .avi i just tested |
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| 13:30.20 | abrotman | esteel: and your package is up to date? |
| 13:31.08 | esteel | yes, just run 'aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade' |
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| 13:35.15 | eanda | morning all.. running debian lenny, with iceweasel and have install the repository flash plugin but iceweasel doesn't recognize it and is telling me i need to install the plugin. Anyone know about this problem |
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| 13:36.04 | esteel | abrotman: well i'll take a look at the bts later |
| 13:36.41 | abrotman | esteel: there is also a #blc |
| 13:36.45 | abrotman | erm .. #vlc |
| 13:36.47 | alsd | eanda: did you restart firefox after installing the plugin? |
| 13:36.52 | esteel | abrotman: on freenet? |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | mostly empty though i guess |
| 13:36.58 | esteel | freenode i mean :) |
| 13:37.10 | eanda | yep. not running firefox. running iceweasel |
| 13:38.12 | esteel | abrotman: #vlc on freenode really looks empty.. just 4 non-op people :P |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | i said it was empty! |
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| 13:38.51 | HardDisk_WP | will the .profile be executed only on ssh login, or also if I spawn a new shell in screen? |
| 13:38.52 | abrotman | eanda: how did you install it? |
| 13:38.54 | eanda | I also have flashplayer-mozzilla installed. but still there is nothing |
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| 13:39.10 | eanda | abrotman, from the repository |
| 13:39.11 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: as compared to what other kind of login ? |
| 13:39.17 | abrotman | eanda: flash isn't in lenny |
| 13:39.38 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, ctrl-a c in screen |
| 13:40.06 | eanda | oh, well it must have been from the multimedia repo, i have that active in sources |
| 13:40.30 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, anyway, putting screen -dr in ~/.profile doesnt launch screen :X |
| 13:40.37 | HardDisk_WP | (upon ssh login) |
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| 13:40.48 | eanda | abrotman, you recomend installing from source? |
| 13:40.57 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: you're logging in via screen, and try to launch screen ? |
| 13:41.06 | abrotman | eanda: i've not used the dmm package |
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| 13:41.08 | stew | it would be great if there was source available |
| 13:41.14 | stew | eanda: what does "readlink -f /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so" return? |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | eanda: make sure it has setup the flash-mozilla.so alternative |
| 13:41.54 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, eh, no |
| 13:42.01 | HardDisk_WP | i login via ssh (putty) |
| 13:42.10 | HardDisk_WP | i want that upon login screen -dr gets run |
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| 13:42.31 | HardDisk_WP | but i do not want screen -dr to be launched when I spawn a new shell inside screen |
| 13:42.42 | HardDisk_WP | but actually, .profile doesn't seem to get executed by ssh |
| 13:43.00 | abrotman | .bash_profile ? |
| 13:43.30 | eanda | stew, it returns /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so |
| 13:44.31 | stew | eanda: what does "readlink -f /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so" return? |
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| 13:45.01 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, thx :) |
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| 13:45.48 | stew | eanda: oh wait, i misread your answer |
| 13:46.13 | eanda | stew , it returns /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozzila.so |
| 13:46.13 | stew | that looks corredct, i guess, i've just not used the dmm version before |
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| 13:46.29 | stew | oh, so its not using the alternatives system |
| 13:46.44 | eanda | stew, i have no clue |
| 13:46.47 | myeggo | where can i ask about xmame or an emulator for' |
| 13:47.17 | eanda | stew, or at least i don't know anything about this alternative system |
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| 13:48.48 | lfaraone | What's the difference between 'logname' and 'whoami'? |
| 13:49.06 | arezey | lfaraone, sudo logname && sudo whoami |
| 13:49.09 | eanda | stew, so am I better off completely removing iceweasel, and installing firefox and the flash plugin from source? |
| 13:49.49 | arezey | lfaraone: logname gives the login name, whoami the current user |
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| 13:50.07 | stew | eanda: i'd not recommend that, i'd recommend you try the flashplugin-nonfree package from debian after removing the stuff you've installed from dmm |
| 13:50.34 | eanda | ok, thanks stew.ill work on that.. |
| 13:50.35 | lfaraone | arezey: ah |
| 13:50.42 | stew | eanda: if you are on lenny, try the version from unstable which you can get from http://packages.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:51.12 | peleg | How come Debian's livecd is so large? 670MB? Does it include GNOME or KDE? |
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| 13:52.16 | eanda | stew, thanks man.. I'll work on that this morning. back in a while.. |
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| 13:58.50 | famicom | ok, which fucking moron decided to remove video driver selection from dpkg-reconfig xserver-xorg |
| 13:59.07 | famicom | seriously, just cause jewbuntu does it doesnt mean debian should follow such faggotry |
| 13:59.26 | jelly-home | famicom: it was the other way round |
| 13:59.38 | famicom | !? |
| 13:59.42 | lostson | wow !! |
| 13:59.54 | famicom | ok, who decided this so i can call him a dumbass |
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| 14:00.10 | cahoot | ahh a perfect /ignore match |
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| 14:01.06 | jelly-home | cahoot: I think using words like jew and faggot as pejoratives deserved a kick at least! |
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| 14:01.20 | asdfqwer | how stable is glx on debian? |
| 14:01.53 | abrotman | !tell famicom about gay |
| 14:02.20 | famicom | abrotman hahahah, thanks |
| 14:02.26 | abrotman | not funny |
| 14:02.35 | famicom | that made me laugh, and put me back to my sense |
| 14:03.01 | asdfqwer | !tell me about gay |
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| 14:03.08 | abrotman | !tell asdfqwer about selftell |
| 14:03.13 | famicom | but still, jelly-home why was it removed, what exactly was the rationalle behind it |
| 14:03.37 | abrotman | famicom: you can override the automagic detection |
| 14:03.41 | asdfqwer | abrotman, how should have i done this? |
| 14:03.49 | abrotman | asdfqwer: /msg dpkg foo |
| 14:03.54 | famicom | abrotman how exactly |
| 14:03.55 | d-b | famicom: wrong. you can select the one you want. |
| 14:04.05 | abrotman | famicom: just like you did before, edit your xorg.conf |
| 14:04.15 | famicom | abrotman well, yeah, but it used to do it for me |
| 14:04.25 | famicom | and this is what confuses me the most |
| 14:05.04 | famicom | a few years back, i could destroy the contents of my xorg.conf file and X would just not start and send me a message that i didnt have a proper file |
| 14:05.10 | d-b | famicom: also its not ubuntu or debian but xorg. |
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| 14:05.33 | famicom | now it generates a nearly blank file, but it still stats, and i have no idea how to debug errors |
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| 14:05.54 | jelly-home | d-b: the debconf questions were a distro feature, not xorg |
| 14:06.10 | d-b | jelly-home: oh yeah those ^^. |
| 14:06.26 | jelly-home | and yes, it makes it quite harder to set the driver |
| 14:06.27 | d-b | i assumed he wasn't talking about that tho. |
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| 14:07.00 | jelly-home | d-b: um, the conversation started with dpkg-recofigure reference |
| 14:07.40 | d-b | jelly-home: yes but he now wants to debug / add a specific driver no ? |
| 14:08.06 | abrotman | he could start by actually explaining his real problem and showing his log |
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| 14:08.25 | famicom | not really, i just want to know how i can generate a nice xorg.conf file like i used to in the past |
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| 14:09.19 | d-b | famicom: well now you don't. its automagic ? |
| 14:09.20 | jelly-home | famicom: maybe X -configure |
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| 14:09.23 | d-b | ^^ |
| 14:09.26 | kaarlo` | afk |
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| 14:09.43 | abrotman | oh no .. kaarlo` is afk!!! |
| 14:09.47 | kaarlo` | yes |
| 14:09.51 | famicom | jelly does that create the device stanzas as well |
| 14:10.03 | jelly-home | famicom: I haven't tried it. |
| 14:11.21 | abrotman | still be easier if he'd show us the actual broken log .. oh well |
| 14:12.29 | famicom | well, in a nutshell, xorg is loading openchrome which is currently broken for the Via Chrome 9 chipset |
| 14:12.35 | famicom | so i have to set it to vesa |
| 14:13.02 | jelly-home | broken log or not, the default xorg.conf is really empty and there's really no place to set the driver |
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| 14:13.24 | famicom | but the annoying part is, that right now, xorg hangs, and for some reason i cannot kill it |
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| 14:14.59 | famicom | ah well |
| 14:15.05 | famicom | nothing kill dash nine cant fix |
| 14:15.56 | famicom | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.54 | famicom | (WW) CHROME(0): Panel on K8M800, PM800, VM800, P4M890, K8M890, CX700 or P4M900 is currently not supported. |
| 14:17.10 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 14:18.31 | jelly-home | famicom: which debian release are you using? |
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| 14:18.41 | famicom | Lenny |
| 14:18.46 | jelly-home | xorg in lenny is getting a bit old |
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| 14:19.24 | famicom | sheesh, before it even hit stable :P |
| 14:19.35 | jelly-home | famicom: there are newer drivers (and xserver-xorg) in experimental if you have no other way to make it work |
| 14:24.24 | famicom | ah well |
| 14:24.26 | famicom | lets try again |
| 14:24.39 | famicom | i really really want this notebook to run linux |
| 14:24.54 | famicom | right now it runs windows XP, but have no idea why i would want to use that |
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| 14:25.43 | pingouin | ok let's go for the stupidest question of the day : who have an Asus p5q motherboard and run debian on it ? ;) |
| 14:25.53 | abrotman | again ? |
| 14:26.18 | pingouin | damn abrotman is in there |
| 14:26.19 | pingouin | ;) |
| 14:26.42 | pingouin | do you want me to be more specific ? ;) |
| 14:26.46 | famicom | pingouin what\s the problem |
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| 14:27.33 | jelly-home | !tell pingouin -about polls |
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| 14:27.37 | jelly-home | !tell pingouin -about ask |
| 14:27.45 | pingouin | famicom: i just want to know how debian installer goes on it - the sata mainly - i guess etch is too old to handle it, and want to know if lenny installer RC2 goes well |
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| 14:28.03 | [gnubie] | what could be the major advantage of allocating /boot on its own partition? |
| 14:28.03 | pingouin | jelly-home: ii dont understand , my question is clear |
| 14:28.05 | jelly-home | pingouin: uh, why not try it. |
| 14:28.12 | famicom | lenny works fine, if not just roll your own cd, end of story |
| 14:28.19 | jelly-home | pingouin: it is now. |
| 14:28.19 | pingouin | jelly-home: because i dont want to spend money before ;) |
| 14:28.35 | famicom | [gnubie] try installing /boot on a softraid LVM partition |
| 14:28.37 | famicom | then come back |
| 14:29.06 | pingouin | i start to think that asking for compatibility and debian is not well seeing here ;) |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | pingouin: you didn't give us any details |
| 14:29.33 | pingouin | what details ?! |
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| 14:29.41 | [gnubie] | famicom: is that an answer to my question? |
| 14:29.50 | pingouin | just want to know if lenny/etch is installable on this hardware |
| 14:29.50 | famicom | yes it is |
| 14:29.54 | famicom | now fuckoff |
| 14:30.01 | pingouin | nice ;) |
| 14:30.04 | pingouin | you too |
| 14:30.07 | pingouin | thanks |
| 14:30.07 | [gnubie] | thanks.. how helpful |
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| 14:30.16 | OldMonk | kids, kids! |
| 14:30.17 | Meta | Ummmm |
| 14:30.22 | jelly-home | pingouin: hardware support is mostly a kernel issue. You'll probably get more answers by googling for your hardware and lspci and Linux than by asking a small bunch of 800 users |
| 14:30.43 | Meta | The advantage is that if you break your bootloader, you only screw up one part of your system and can be fixed. |
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| 14:32.05 | pingouin | jelly-home: how can i build a newer kernel on hardware that is not supported by debian installer ?! |
| 14:32.20 | pingouin | if i can't have a minimal system on it ?! |
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| 14:33.12 | pingouin | how can i get sources for newer kernel/tools and build it ?! |
| 14:33.12 | jelly-home | pingouin: find any bootable linux that works and install debian with debootstrap method |
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| 14:33.55 | jelly-home | pingouin: alternately, install and build on another machine, then plug the hard disk back in |
| 14:34.00 | pingouin | jelly-home: ok, i did not know about that, going to check what debootstap method is |
| 14:34.09 | [gnubie] | Meta: compared of just putting it inside the / ? normally, i have a separate /var and /usr |
| 14:34.21 | jelly-home | !tell pingouin -about lenny release notes |
| 14:34.38 | jelly-home | !tell pingouin -about debootstrap |
| 14:35.00 | famicom | [gnubie] well, you are aware of network mounted volume right |
| 14:35.12 | pingouin | jelly-home: thanks jelly-home |
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| 14:35.31 | Meta | [gnubie]: It's a better idea to seperate it in most cases. |
| 14:35.36 | jelly-home | pingouin: so basically you need to make sure Linux works. If it does, there'll be way to put Debian on that hardware |
| 14:35.44 | [gnubie] | Meta: currently, my own practice is i setup my partition like this in order: /boot, swap, /var, /usr, / |
| 14:36.10 | [gnubie] | famicom: i am but i don't have one |
| 14:36.42 | pingouin | jelly-home: ok, thanks you . |
| 14:36.44 | famicom | eh, i allways just do boot LVM[ root|swap ] |
| 14:37.05 | pingouin | But i dont understand why some people here a soooooo touchy about hardware and installation of debian.... |
| 14:37.21 | pingouin | is it what some call a troll ? |
| 14:37.58 | [gnubie] | Meta: ok. i will still stick with my current practice then. anyway, i usually allocate 64mb max to my /boot partition.. thanks.. ;) |
| 14:38.12 | Meta | I use 32MB |
| 14:38.14 | jelly-home | pingouin: we expect the newcomer to know in advance that kind of question is almost useless. |
| 14:38.33 | jelly-home | pingouin: this expectation is probably not realistic |
| 14:38.42 | pingouin | i dont understand why |
| 14:38.45 | [gnubie] | Meta: yeah, 32mb is still to much |
| 14:38.54 | pingouin | but nevermind |
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| 14:39.08 | famicom | pingouin or in my case, you are an angry drug addict who hate syou to begin with |
| 14:39.15 | famicom | i mean, IM TRYING TO BE NICE |
| 14:39.20 | [gnubie] | Meta: but, having hundred of gigabytes of hdd, 64mb is still small.. |
| 14:39.32 | Meta | 120GB drive for me |
| 14:39.38 | famicom | but i have little patience, and you've allready used up most of it |
| 14:39.44 | pingouin | i never took drugs in my life, not even drink alcool ;) |
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| 14:39.48 | abrotman | famicom: then just be quiet |
| 14:39.49 | Meta | Currently installing Gentoo on an 80GB drive with a 32MB /boot |
| 14:39.56 | pingouin | famicom: so /ignome pingouin |
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| 14:40.30 | Balgan | *ignore |
| 14:40.33 | anewbie | hello all |
| 14:40.39 | pingouin | i guess your patience is very little - as your dick surely - you only wrote 2 phrases to me |
| 14:40.44 | [gnubie] | Meta: nice.. ;) |
| 14:40.46 | pingouin | and one for insulting me |
| 14:40.55 | anewbie | i want to ask ... what kind of firewall use lenny by default installation |
| 14:40.57 | anewbie | iptables ? |
| 14:41.13 | famicom | none |
| 14:41.49 | anewbie | then what kind of issued can lock port 21 ? when i check it with nestat it shows that port 21 is listen |
| 14:41.57 | anewbie | but when i make nmap scan from other pc |
| 14:42.02 | anewbie | there is no port 21 |
| 14:42.07 | anewbie | and i cant connect to the ftp |
| 14:42.18 | famicom | uhuh |
| 14:42.20 | anewbie | but when i try ftp localhost |
| 14:42.24 | anewbie | everything is ok |
| 14:42.25 | famicom | and on what address is it bound |
| 14:42.27 | famicom | localhost? |
| 14:42.31 | famicom | NEXT QUESTION PLZ |
| 14:42.34 | pingouin | putain de batave de merde |
| 14:42.38 | [gnubie] | anewbie: /etc/init.d/*ftp* stop |
| 14:42.47 | jelly-home | famicom: don't be a dick |
| 14:43.02 | jelly-home | pingouin: english only channel. |
| 14:43.07 | famicom | fine, i'll just be a cunt |
| 14:43.10 | pingouin | ww jelly-home sorry |
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| 14:43.17 | anewbie | ... famicom what do you mean what addres |
| 14:43.18 | famicom | and jelly he actually insulted someone in french |
| 14:43.29 | famicom | anewbie ok, let me explain to you |
| 14:43.30 | jelly-home | famicom: I'm fully aware, thanks. |
| 14:43.47 | anewbie | famicom, i have 2 addreses one local and one for internet |
| 14:43.55 | anewbie | eth0 use the internet ip |
| 14:43.56 | stew | pingouin: famicom: please keep things constructive. perhaps you two should /ignore eachother |
| 14:43.58 | famicom | you can bind a service to a local lan adress, a public wan adress and your localhost |
| 14:44.00 | anewbie | and eth0:1 use the local one |
| 14:44.08 | famicom | hush, let me finish first |
| 14:44.13 | anewbie | sorry |
| 14:44.31 | anewbie | please continue |
| 14:44.39 | famicom | some services will either bind to localhost by default, or try and attempt to detect the one to use automagically |
| 14:45.02 | famicom | but there are plenty of times that a service picks your local lan adress or your 127.0.0.1 addy |
| 14:45.14 | anewbie | aha i understand and you think that the ftp is not bound to any addres exept the localhost |
| 14:45.19 | famicom | in that case, you can only connect from inside your network or your localhost |
| 14:45.20 | famicom | yup |
| 14:45.23 | famicom | thats correct |
| 14:45.36 | anewbie | aha and how can i check this addres bounding ? |
| 14:45.50 | famicom | netstat should show it |
| 14:46.04 | famicom | but could you perhaps tell me which ftpd you are using |
| 14:46.18 | anewbie | proftpd |
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| 14:47.07 | [gnubie] | anewbie: you can also check it using "lsof -in" |
| 14:47.12 | famicom | are you running it from inet.d or standalone |
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| 14:47.25 | anewbie | standalone |
| 14:47.34 | anewbie | tcp6 0 0 [::]:ftp [::]:* LISTEN 3537/proftpd: (acce |
| 14:47.45 | anewbie | i think there is no bounding and famicom is righy |
| 14:48.11 | famicom | for starters in /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf disable ipv6 with "UseIPv6 off |
| 14:48.11 | famicom | " |
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| 14:49.24 | anewbie | ok |
| 14:49.28 | anewbie | let's try again |
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| 14:50.06 | anewbie | tcp 0 0 *:ftp *:* LISTEN 3608/proftpd: (acce |
| 14:50.11 | anewbie | this is the output now |
| 14:50.19 | anewbie | and i still can make a connection |
| 14:50.32 | abrotman | anewbie: you were able to make a connection before |
| 14:50.36 | abrotman | what's the actual problem? |
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| 14:50.45 | abrotman | i told you yesterday to fix your ISP router .. did you do that yet? |
| 14:50.52 | jelly-home | anewbie: *:ftp means it's listening on any interface (else * would be replaced by a local IP address) |
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| 14:51.11 | anewbie | abrotman, i speak with the sysyem administrator |
| 14:51.20 | anewbie | and he says there is no restriction for that connection |
| 14:51.24 | [gnubie] | on xen, how do you usually check the domU's health, system, network, etc. statuses from a command line only? i mean, what are the usual command line tools you use to monitor your domU if you only have an access to the domU and not with the dom0? |
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| 14:51.45 | abrotman | anewbie: so you configured your router to allow ftp connections ? |
| 14:52.07 | anewbie | abrotman, i dont use router i am directly connected to the isp router |
| 14:52.11 | asg | [gnubie]: free, top, netstat, vmstat, iostat ... same as any standalone system |
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| 14:52.21 | anewbie | and the sys admin tell that there is no restriction for ftp connection |
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| 14:52.26 | abrotman | anewbie: what is the IP address of the ftp server ? |
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| 14:53.54 | abrotman | anewbie: something is filtering the connection .. i can't connect, the FTPD is working for you .. so some router/firewall in between is filtering |
| 14:53.55 | [gnubie] | asg: any specific to monitor your own domU while inside of it? |
| 14:54.14 | anewbie | abrotman, how can i check is the isp router filtering the connection |
| 14:54.29 | famicom | wireshark |
| 14:54.42 | asg | [gnubie]: like I said, the standard tools one would use to monitor any system |
| 14:54.44 | [gnubie] | anewbie: some ISPs blocks TCP port 80 and maybe in your case, TCP port 21 is also blocked.. |
| 14:55.03 | abrotman | i see the ssh port is open to that machine |
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| 14:55.18 | abrotman | or not |
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| 14:55.20 | anewbie | abrotman, yes it is i am connected in that moment |
| 14:55.23 | anewbie | via ssh |
| 14:55.51 | abrotman | anewbie: and the machine has a the same IP as the modem/router ? |
| 14:56.11 | anewbie | whitch router ? |
| 14:56.13 | anewbie | isp |
| 14:56.14 | anewbie | ? |
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| 14:56.27 | anewbie | i dont have any stops between my PC and the isp router |
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| 14:57.08 | [gnubie] | asg: yes, i know.. but since domU is just on top of dom0, i am looking for a way to monitor my domU if possible.. like if you are on top of dom0, you can run xen related tools (e.g. xm list) |
| 14:57.23 | abrotman | anewbie: on the ftp machine .. ifconfig -a .. what is the IP ? |
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| 14:57.53 | [gnubie] | anewbie: are you in cable, adsl, etc? |
| 14:58.01 | asg | abrotman: see if he has tcpwrappers doing something silly |
| 14:58.20 | anewbie | [gnubie], i am connected via direct ethernet cable with static ip |
| 14:58.44 | themill | must be a long ethernet cable to get all the way to the ISP |
| 14:58.47 | [gnubie] | anewbie: how do you connect to your ISP? |
| 14:58.52 | abrotman | asg: that would imply ability :) |
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| 14:59.18 | asdfqwer | is there some sort of PCMCIA index for hardware? |
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| 14:59.19 | anewbie | [gnubie], .... |
| 14:59.22 | anewbie | i tell you how |
| 14:59.35 | anewbie | themill, there is ... 3 or 4 switches on the road |
| 14:59.36 | anewbie | :D |
| 14:59.49 | themill | sure. |
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| 15:02.03 | anewbie | i am stuck :( |
| 15:02.09 | anewbie | may be the admin lie ? |
| 15:02.17 | abrotman | quite possibly |
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| 15:02.32 | anewbie | damn this bastard |
| 15:03.12 | anewbie | but ...hmmm |
| 15:03.13 | [gnubie] | anewbie: how do you connect to your ISP? |
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| 15:03.40 | anewbie | [gnubie], .... ethernet cable and static ip addres |
| 15:03.56 | anewbie | and hmm |
| 15:04.09 | themill | anewbie: what does the ethernet cable get plugged in to? |
| 15:04.17 | [gnubie] | anewbie: you mean, you are connected directly to the ISP's core edge switch/router? |
| 15:04.27 | anewbie | o_0 |
| 15:04.38 | anewbie | themill, mine ethernet controler |
| 15:04.54 | anewbie | [gnubie], betwween the isp router and me there is 3 switches |
| 15:04.56 | anewbie | nothing else |
| 15:05.28 | anewbie | abrotman, in that moment the admin give me account to one the ftp server of our alternate dns server |
| 15:05.30 | themill | that would have to be the strangest ISP I've ever heard of. Do they run twisted pair down the street to your house too? |
| 15:05.37 | [gnubie] | anewbie: are you sure? does it mean that you are working for an ISP that you have such connection? |
| 15:05.39 | anewbie | and i coonnect to it without probleems |
| 15:06.02 | anewbie | [gnubie], :) exactamente |
| 15:06.41 | [gnubie] | anewbie: and your ftp server is in your data center and you are also inside the data center? |
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| 15:07.09 | anewbie | [gnubie], mine ftp server is at home |
| 15:07.11 | anewbie | :D |
| 15:07.33 | [gnubie] | wow! |
| 15:08.14 | anewbie | yeah i have pretty nice connectivity |
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| 15:09.14 | tziku | what is the best kernel version to use for my debian system ? |
| 15:09.25 | abrotman | the one that debian gives you most likely |
| 15:09.41 | [gnubie] | if in theory for a CAT 5e UTP can only range up to 100m, that only means that your house has more or less 300 meters away from the core edge switch/router of your ISP |
| 15:10.15 | anewbie | [gnubie], yes |
| 15:10.32 | anewbie | let's says ... 450 500 |
| 15:10.46 | anewbie | becouse the utp can provide little more range connectivity then a 100m |
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| 15:13.01 | [gnubie] | anewbie: and between your ftp server to the ISP's switch/router, there are switches hanging around just to connect you to your ISP? |
| 15:13.22 | anewbie | not only me |
| 15:13.29 | anewbie | few more guys |
| 15:13.43 | anewbie | damn :) .... i think you know how works one simple lan network |
| 15:13.45 | anewbie | ... |
| 15:14.28 | [gnubie] | anewbie: most if not all core edge switch/routers comes with its own packet filtering also |
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| 15:14.52 | themill | utp down the street is a new one on me... |
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| 15:15.09 | anewbie | [gnubie], ..... |
| 15:15.20 | anewbie | we use simple 100mb realtek switches |
| 15:15.27 | anewbie | no packet filtering bbetween them |
| 15:15.28 | anewbie | ... |
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| 15:15.50 | [gnubie] | anewbie: iirc, your problem was that an attempt to connect to your ftp server from the internet is not possible and you don't know who's the culprit |
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| 15:15.57 | [gnubie] | themill: precisely |
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| 15:16.51 | anewbie | [gnubie], .... the connection it is not available in the lan network two |
| 15:16.52 | anewbie | ... |
| 15:16.58 | anewbie | when i make nmap scan |
| 15:17.05 | anewbie | no port 21 available |
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| 15:17.13 | jelly-home | nmap scan from where? |
| 15:18.21 | jelly-home | anewbie: pastebin the output of "ip a", "ip r" from that machine. Where are you doing the scan from? |
| 15:18.35 | jelly-home | install iproute package if necessary |
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| 15:18.53 | anewbie | jelly-home, i scan from this machine that i chat |
| 15:18.53 | anewbie | now |
| 15:19.01 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.31 | anewbie | jelly-home, you want this output from the ftp machine ? |
| 15:19.51 | jelly-home | anewbie: the server, yes. Add the output of "iptables-save" for good measure. |
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| 15:20.05 | anewbie | ok |
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| 15:22.27 | [gnubie] | anewbie: try to disable your firewall first (e.g. iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -F) then make sure that your /etc/host.deny is empty.. once you confirm that no one will block any TCP related request to your box, check your ftp server's configuration and make sure that it will listen to any request coming from 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 |
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| 15:24.03 | anewbie | [gnubie], i flush it .... 10000000 times |
| 15:24.43 | asdfqwer | what is debian's default partition table? |
| 15:25.03 | [gnubie] | anewbie: lsof -in |
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| 15:25.28 | anewbie | jelly-home, do you recive private messages |
| 15:25.29 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:26.10 | jelly-home | anewbie: yes, but use the channel for support issues |
| 15:26.25 | anewbie | jelly-home, i just don want everybody to see that informaation |
| 15:26.31 | anewbie | i give you the pastebin on private |
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| 15:27.28 | anewbie | lsof: unknown protocol name (n) in: -i n |
| 15:27.30 | anewbie | .. |
| 15:27.59 | jelly-home | anewbie: your broadcast address is almost certainly wrong for eth0 |
| 15:28.24 | anewbie | hmm |
| 15:28.25 | anewbie | why that ? |
| 15:28.27 | jelly-home | anewbie: no one cares about your IPs and routes |
| 15:28.41 | jelly-home | no need to hide them |
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| 15:29.11 | anewbie | jelly-home, ok but why iis wrong ... do you think that this is the problem ? |
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| 15:29.41 | cr3rzemjest | is it possible to remove kde and install it again (reinstall) without removing unecessary packages? remove 'kde4' or 'kdebase' only, or something? so that i won't have to download again 500MB of packages like kwrite, kedit, etc.... (last time i tried to remove kde, aptitude wiped out half of my system without asking!) |
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| 15:30.21 | jelly-home | anewbie: I have no idea, but it could create network issues. |
| 15:30.29 | themill | cr3rzemjest: define "unnecessary" then, since you seem to have a different definition of the word to aptitude. |
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| 15:31.07 | anewbie | jelly-home, |
| 15:31.13 | jelly-home | anewbie: also, your eth0 seems to be dropping _all_ the traffic? |
| 15:31.27 | OldMonk | cr3rzemjest: aptitude reinstall ... |
| 15:31.40 | jelly-home | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:19:66:5c:28:69 |
| 15:31.40 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.40 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.40 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.40 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:31.52 | themill | dpkg: tell jelly-home about paste |
| 15:31.55 | themill | :P |
| 15:31.55 | cr3rzemjest | themill, well, i'd like to have to download as little packages as possible, and have them correct versions etc... so that (hopefully) shutdown/reboot problem i'm having will disappear |
| 15:32.00 | cast|lir | hah. |
| 15:32.10 | cast|lir | themill: had to rub it in, |
| 15:32.15 | anewbie | jelly-home, this is not posible i ssee that it is writen but ... |
| 15:32.18 | jelly-home | themill: the user is afraid to show the pastebin to everyone |
| 15:32.21 | anewbie | i am connected via eth0 with ssh |
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| 15:32.29 | anewbie | and everything is ok |
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| 15:32.54 | themill | cr3rzemjest: I still don't know what you're trying to do... reinstall kde without reinstalling kde doesn't seem to be a self-consistent aim |
| 15:33.07 | jelly-home | anewbie: which IP are you connecting from? |
| 15:33.10 | cr3rzemjest | ok then |
| 15:33.14 | jelly-home | anewbie: uname -r? |
| 15:33.23 | [gnubie] | anewbie: "lsof -i ; ifconfig -a ; route -n" and paste it to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 15:33.25 | cr3rzemjest | themill, can i do this on kde? or do i have to switch to fluxbox? |
| 15:33.42 | themill | cr3rzemjest: wtf? |
| 15:33.51 | cr3rzemjest | themill, reinstall |
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| 15:34.07 | anewbie | jelly-home, 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 15:34.16 | anewbie | this is the output of uname - r |
| 15:34.28 | anewbie | [gnubie], just a sec jelly-home is right maybe no need paranoia |
| 15:34.29 | anewbie | :D |
| 15:34.30 | themill | cr3rzemjest: aptitude reinstall $packagename. This has nothing to do with the desktop environment you're using. |
| 15:35.14 | cr3rzemjest | ok |
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| 15:35.46 | themill | cr3rzemjest: but I doubt that reinstalling some random package is going to make problems go away. It rarely does. |
| 15:35.51 | jelly-home | anewbie: fix your interface setup first (use the correct network and broadcast address), then we'll talk more. |
| 15:36.10 | anewbie | hey hey hey wait |
| 15:36.12 | anewbie | i have this |
| 15:36.13 | anewbie | afpd 3185 root 5u IPv4 8561 TCP *:afpovertcp (LISTEN) |
| 15:36.24 | magicquotes | hi! i'm new with linux, how will i use svn to download svn installers? |
| 15:36.33 | anewbie | and this |
| 15:36.33 | anewbie | proftpd 3608 proftpd 1u IPv4 16857 TCP *:ftp (LISTEN) |
| 15:36.34 | anewbie | ... |
| 15:36.37 | anewbie | WTF ? |
| 15:36.41 | d-b | magicquotes: apt-get install subversion |
| 15:36.42 | anewbie | there is other ftpd |
| 15:36.58 | anewbie | may be this is the problem !? |
| 15:36.59 | jelly-home | anewbie: that's not a ftpd. I have no idea what service it is. |
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| 15:37.31 | anewbie | jelly-home, i am not competent to do that what must be the boradcast |
| 15:37.38 | anewbie | i using this one for a verry long time |
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| 15:37.43 | jelly-home | anewbie: ask your network admin. |
| 15:37.50 | [gnubie] | anewbie: "lsof -i ; ifconfig -a ; route -n" and paste it to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 15:37.57 | magicquotes | d-b, thanks |
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| 15:38.49 | kados_ | Does anyone know how to set up a cricket broadband PC-card for debian? Has anyone had any luck with it? |
| 15:39.01 | kados_ | I can't find any information on it |
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| 15:40.39 | jelly-home | kados_: plug it in, then google its lspci -n and lspci line |
| 15:40.52 | anewbie | [gnubie], just a sec |
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| 15:42.35 | anewbie | http://paste.debian.net/27947/ |
| 15:42.37 | anewbie | here it is |
| 15:42.58 | kados_ | thank you jelly-home |
| 15:43.12 | anewbie | jelly-home, the sys admin says that the bcast must be 255.255.255.0 |
| 15:43.24 | jelly-home | anewbie: then put it that way. |
| 15:43.24 | anewbie | i will change it with line in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 15:43.38 | anewbie | this is the way ? |
| 15:43.52 | anewbie | bacst 255.255.255.0 |
| 15:43.53 | jelly-home | anewbie: also, remove "gateway" lines for eth0:1 and eth1 |
| 15:44.02 | jelly-home | anewbie: man interfaces |
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| 15:44.17 | anewbie | jelly-home, but i uset eth0:1 |
| 15:44.18 | anewbie | ... |
| 15:44.19 | anewbie | ? |
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| 15:44.38 | jelly-home | anewbie: right. |
| 15:44.54 | jelly-home | anewbie: I didn't say "disable eth0:1 completely" |
| 15:45.16 | anewbie | ok |
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| 15:46.36 | abrotman | soulslayer?! |
| 15:46.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: protect your soul! |
| 15:46.55 | anewbie | haha |
| 15:46.55 | anewbie | :D |
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| 15:47.20 | anewbie | ohh no :) i will not slay duude who answer of mine newbie questions |
| 15:47.21 | jelly-home | anewbie: the broadcast for 10.10.0.24 might be wrong as well. |
| 15:47.24 | anewbie | it is no ethical |
| 15:47.36 | jelly-home | abrotman: |
| 15:47.37 | jelly-home | ? |
| 15:47.54 | Quazar | Hi all, how do i move rkhunters executable to /usr/bin ? |
| 15:48.02 | Quazar | I already installed the source |
| 15:48.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: his paste .. his login is soulslayer |
| 15:48.48 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 15:49.08 | jelly-home | what's the length limit of login names these days? |
| 15:50.22 | anewbie | hah :) |
| 15:50.29 | anewbie | come on it is a nice nickname |
| 15:50.31 | anewbie | i was young |
| 15:50.31 | anewbie | :D |
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| 15:51.02 | asg | Quazar: leave it in /usr/local/bin and fix your path. |
| 15:51.52 | Quazar | asg: how? |
| 15:51.59 | anewbie | soulslayer@Aurora:/$ sudo route del 192.168.1.0 |
| 15:52.00 | anewbie | SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 15:52.00 | anewbie | ?! |
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| 15:52.19 | alsd | anewbie: the route you want to delete doesn't exist |
| 15:53.01 | Quazar | i'll just use .bashrc =/ |
| 15:53.05 | jelly-home | anewbie: do sudo sh -c 'ifdown eth1; ifup eth1' instead of messing with route, or fix your syntax |
| 15:53.16 | asg | Quazar: put a 'PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH ; export PATH' line in your ~/.bashrc |
| 15:53.37 | Quazar | Thats what i was gonna do |
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| 15:54.35 | jelly-home | this is why I prefer iproute2, you can just write ip r del and paste the line from ip r output |
| 15:54.43 | Kularek | why i get this : http://pastebin.ca/1330793 when i try send mail from local network to serwer inside it.? |
| 15:54.46 | Stanlin | Hi and HELP, how to mount a remote directory using SSHFS ? |
| 15:54.58 | jelly-home | anewbie: "ip r del default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth1" in this case |
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| 15:55.16 | Farhadix | Hi guys, when I use mkisofs -o /tmp/cd.iso /tmp/directory/ it changes folder name to unusual characters. TESTFOL~ or something like this. how make a image with correct folder name? |
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| 15:56.11 | jelly-home | Stanlin: 1) be a member of group fuse, 2) make a directory to be used as a mount point, eg. mkdir -p ~/mnt/server1 3) sshfs server1:/ ~mnt/server1 |
| 15:56.43 | anewbie | jelly-home, .... i cant bring eth1 down :O |
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| 15:57.06 | anewbie | and ip r del default via 192.168.1.0 dev eth1 don't work ? |
| 15:57.10 | Stanlin | jelly-home: that works fine, but how do i use with a keybased authentication? |
| 15:57.21 | jelly-home | anewbie: well then, fix the route or ip r invocation |
| 15:57.26 | jelly-home | Stanlin: the same way. |
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| 15:58.01 | jelly-home | Stanlin: if you're asking how to set up key-based authentication, say so. |
| 15:58.04 | Stanlin | jelly-home: how to create a trusted relationship between the server and my comp? |
| 15:58.16 | Stanlin | jelly-home: ye i think thats the correct one |
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| 15:58.45 | jelly-home | !tell Stanlin -about ssh without password |
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| 15:59.12 | [gnubie] | anewbie: check this out => http://paste.debian.net/27949/ |
| 15:59.22 | [gnubie] | anewbie: your ISP's router is blocking it |
| 15:59.30 | jelly-home | Stanlin: do step 1, then run ssh-copy-id servername; in most cases that should be enough |
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| 16:00.07 | jelly-home | [gnubie]: his network setup is all messed up; who knows why it doesn't work |
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| 16:00.18 | Stanlin | jelly-home: thanks , ill try now |
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| 16:00.21 | jelly-home | multiple defaault gateways, |
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| 16:00.57 | jelly-home | bad broadcast domains, this all needs to be fixed before diagnosing further |
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| 16:01.00 | tczern | hi, I ran " sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" but the plugin does not load, what else will I need to do? thanks |
| 16:01.16 | [gnubie] | jelly-home: oh yeah |
| 16:01.39 | anewbie | gee |
| 16:01.43 | anewbie | when i make soulslayer@Aurora:/$ ip del 192.168.1.0 dev eth1 |
| 16:01.43 | anewbie | Object "del" is unknown, try "ip help". |
| 16:01.47 | anewbie | the console get frrost |
| 16:01.54 | [gnubie] | anewbie: you need to remove your eth0.1 and eth1 |
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| 16:02.18 | [gnubie] | anewbie: just do a "ifdown eth1" |
| 16:02.23 | anewbie | dont work |
| 16:02.26 | anewbie | i will reboot the machine |
| 16:02.30 | jelly-home | anewbie: your paste feature doesn't work correctly, it forgot " r " between ip and del |
| 16:02.59 | jelly-home | <[gnubie]> anewbie: you need to remove your eth0.1 and eth1 # no, just fix them |
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| 16:04.03 | tczern | anyone? |
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| 16:04.12 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 16:04.45 | cast|lir | tczern: yeah...not a fan of non-free |
| 16:05.14 | eptalon | how od I change my terminal (terminal) to actually do unicode? |
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| 16:05.55 | jogla | Hello |
| 16:06.00 | tczern | what does this mean anyway. I don't have to pay for this plugin, do I? |
| 16:06.08 | jogla | Is there the possibility to search in the list of installed systems? |
| 16:06.10 | Quazar | How come by default the root dir isnt colorized ? |
| 16:06.11 | anewbie | guys thx a lot i must fiix the routing table first |
| 16:06.12 | eptalon | tczern: what plugin? |
| 16:06.14 | anewbie | and try few things |
| 16:06.15 | Zvpun | eptalon: how about LANG=en_US.utf8? |
| 16:06.17 | tczern | flash |
| 16:06.17 | anewbie | than i will try again |
| 16:06.29 | jogla | I would like to see everything that cups in its name and is installed on my system |
| 16:06.32 | anewbie | sorry about the loset time |
| 16:06.35 | Zvpun | Quazar: why dont you just change it? |
| 16:06.42 | Quazar | Zvpun, i just did |
| 16:06.46 | eptalon | Zvpun: latex complains if I use de_DE.utf8 |
| 16:06.52 | Quazar | I was just curious why it is that way |
| 16:07.13 | eptalon | Zvpun: at the first special char, ä |
| 16:07.14 | tczern | "not a fan of non-free" I don't get this |
| 16:07.16 | Zvpun | eptalon: I'd say latex is a piece of shit software if it cant handle unicode or its encodings |
| 16:07.26 | Zvpun | eptalon: you have to tell latex the \inputenc |
| 16:07.28 | enouf | !tell jogla -about using find |
| 16:07.41 | PhorceP | Whenever I try to run anything as root in either gnome or kde GUI's it prompt's me for root's password, I enter it, then the dialog goes away and nothing else happens. I'm not seeing any errors in messages, syslog or Xorg.0.log. Any suggestions? |
| 16:07.42 | eptalon | Zvpun: maybe, its the standard for scientific writing though. |
| 16:07.50 | Zvpun | eptalon: there is context |
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| 16:08.16 | enouf | jogla: might just want to run updatedb ; then use locate, but there are excluded dirs/ from that database |
| 16:08.17 | Zvpun | eptalon: and a scientiest doesnt belief into staying at an ancient standard without good reason. |
| 16:08.20 | tczern | no one of you uses Flash in their browser? |
| 16:08.20 | eptalon | Zvpun: thats non-free...? |
| 16:08.43 | jogla | enouf: No, thats actually not what i'm looking for |
| 16:08.45 | eptalon | Zvpun: I have no choice. |
| 16:08.48 | Zvpun | eptalon: its a much better macro package for tex, ist free |
| 16:08.52 | jogla | I want to search in the list of installed packages |
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| 16:09.06 | enouf | jogla: then maybe dpkg -l \*cups* |
| 16:09.07 | jogla | I know find |
| 16:09.18 | Zvpun | eptalon: I suppose if you dont have a choice stick with latex but read and start using context whenever you can. |
| 16:09.20 | eptalon | Zvpun: is it compatible to latex? |
| 16:09.32 | enouf | then you can also try dpkg -L <pkgname> (man dpkg) |
| 16:09.35 | tczern | will ask somewhere else, thanks |
| 16:10.01 | Zvpun | eptalon: its a tex macro package it is designed as a supstitue for latex, check the web. |
| 16:10.01 | jogla | *better* ;) |
| 16:10.01 | Zvpun | eptalon: *substitute |
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| 16:10.04 | enouf | jogla: even dpkg -l \*cups* | grep ^.i |
| 16:10.45 | jogla | thank you |
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| 16:11.06 | Zvpun | eptalon: does \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} help you? |
| 16:11.15 | [gnubie] | anewbie: route del default gw 10.10.1.1 dev eth0 |
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| 16:11.28 | [gnubie] | anewbie: route del default gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth1 |
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| 16:12.02 | [gnubie] | waves to all.. gtg.. thanks.. ;-) |
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| 16:13.17 | eptalon | Zvpun: ! Package inputenc Error: Keyboard character used is undefined |
| 16:13.17 | eptalon | (inputenc) in inputencoding `utf8'. |
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| 16:15.00 | themill | eptalon: is that with "\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}"? |
| 16:15.28 | themill | eptalon: what's the actual character it's complaining about? |
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| 16:16.21 | eptalon | themill: ö |
| 16:16.46 | themill | eptalon: works fine for me here |
| 16:17.14 | Zvpun | eptalon: have you verified that the ö is in utf8 encoding? |
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| 16:17.38 | eptalon | Zvpun: I used latin1 just before, seems to work. |
| 16:17.43 | Zvpun | eptalon: i dont know whether you have to add \usepackage[ngerman]{babel} or not |
| 16:17.56 | Zvpun | eptalon: there is a difference between a latin1 ö and a utf8 ö |
| 16:18.01 | themill | eptalon: your other alternative is to latin1 and then use \"o but that's only an option if it's the occasional word and not when you're actually typing something in a non-english language. |
| 16:18.04 | eptalon | Zvpun: I use german (old spelling) |
| 16:18.15 | Zvpun | eptalon: if you look at the hex dump of your file you can see the difference |
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| 16:18.30 | eptalon | Zvpun: will try.. |
| 16:18.49 | eptalon | Can anyone reocmmend an editor for latex? |
| 16:18.56 | Zvpun | eptalon: in latin1 ö is at codepoint 246 I dont know about utf8 |
| 16:18.59 | jelly-home | or use iconv or recode to convert latin1 to utf8 before rendering |
| 16:19.11 | Zvpun | eptalon: kile seems to be very nice. I use vim. |
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| 16:19.16 | eptalon | jelly-home: package iconv? |
| 16:19.41 | eptalon | Zvpun: will also use vim, then. Its just 3-5 pages, nothing much. |
| 16:20.29 | jelly-home | eptalon: recode is its own package; iconv is in libc6 (you already have it) |
| 16:20.51 | Zvpun | I am confused is ö at 0xFE in latin1 and utf8? |
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| 16:21.10 | Zvpun | isnt it a two byte thing when encoded with utf8? |
| 16:21.12 | themill | eptalon: ö is c3 b6 in utf-8 -- it's a two-byte character |
| 16:21.28 | eptalon | themill: I would expect so. |
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| 16:22.55 | jelly-home | Zvpun: is there a \usepackage[iso8859-1]{inputenc} ? :-) |
| 16:23.07 | Zvpun | themill: do you know about a progrem that shows the utf8 encoding of unicode codepoints like U+00F6? |
| 16:23.16 | Zvpun | jelly-home: I think its [latin1] |
| 16:23.40 | jelly-home | Zvpun: so that's possibly more appropriate |
| 16:23.51 | eptalon | Zvpun: if I write something with vim, will it come out as latin1, or UTF8? |
| 16:24.15 | jelly-home | eptalon: depends on your locale settings and the terminal emulator used |
| 16:24.21 | Zvpun | eptalon: what is your LANG setting? if you havent change something vim will respect your LANG but obviously it can do both |
| 16:24.42 | eptalon | Zvpun: de_DE.utf8 |
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| 16:24.52 | Zvpun | there is also a keybinding to show information about the character below the cursor but i dont remember it |
| 16:24.59 | magicquotes | hi! what are the available flash video player for debian? |
| 16:25.05 | themill | Zvpun: not that I know of but there will undoubtedly be one. The latex document I'm working on right now had a ö in it so I just looked at it in khexedit... |
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| 16:25.37 | jelly-home | eptalon: what does echo -n ö|hexdump -C say? |
| 16:25.58 | Zvpun | eptalon: try g ctrl-G to show information about the char below the cursor |
| 16:26.06 | eptalon | jelly-home: c3 b6, basically. |
| 16:26.15 | jelly-home | eptalon: that's UTF-8 |
| 16:26.17 | Zvpun | themill: I see, thanks anyways |
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| 16:27.00 | Zvpun | eptalon: in latin1 everything is just 1 byte. wikipedia explains how utf8 handles the encoding. |
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| 16:27.40 | themill | Zvpun: http://www.webtoolkit.info/demo/javascript/utf8/demo.html |
| 16:27.55 | eptalon | Zvpun: ok. I'll rewrite that thing with vim, and adapt inputenc accordingly. Do I need fontenc as well? |
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| 16:27.56 | Zvpun | eptalon: i think g ctrl-g was not correct |
| 16:27.56 | Quazar | Does anyone know how to use hosts.deny with pure-ftpd ? |
| 16:28.13 | Quazar | Its not doing what i tested it to do |
| 16:28.24 | Zvpun | themill: hm, that doesnt show the hex values |
| 16:28.40 | Zvpun | themill: but thanks anyways. I was just curious. |
| 16:28.48 | themill | Zvpun: yeah... you could write your own in about as long as it takes to come up with one :) |
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| 16:29.36 | themill | Zvpun: http://macchiato.com/unicode/chart/ |
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| 16:30.05 | Zvpun | eptalon: the vim key combo is ga |
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| 16:30.35 | eptalon | Zvpun: thanks |
| 16:31.30 | themill | that only shows you the code point not the bytes though (if that's what you were looking for) |
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| 16:34.45 | jelly-home | Quazar: are you using the correct service name? Are there any hosts.allow entries clashing? |
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| 16:35.12 | jelly-home | Quazar: does pure-ftpd support tcp_wrappers functionality at all? :-) |
| 16:35.15 | Quazar | jelly-home, nah |
| 16:35.23 | Quazar | I'll find out |
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| 16:36.36 | dusty_ | Hey guys when removing packages with apt/aptitude and i do apt-get --purge remove package it doesn't remove the conf files / dirs associated with it seee this: http://rafb.net/p/ToEUU032.html how can i get it to completly remove all existence of said package ? |
| 16:37.28 | Zvpun | dusty_: you delete the files that you created and try again, I think. |
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| 16:38.04 | jair | have anyone play with the sata raid controller SiI 3114? and linux ? I am using etch 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 16:38.12 | bolt | what could be the cause of hundreds of lines of "GRUB Loading stage1.5." spamming the console and nothing else happening after install? |
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| 16:38.35 | jair | somehow I already have the raid 1 configured but when I boot linux I see the two drives :( I have linux install on a IDE drive and the mobo have a raid hardware controller. SATA |
| 16:39.08 | bolt | !tell jair about fakeraid |
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| 16:41.47 | jair | bolt: but the mobo have also an IDE raid controller and it is working just fine |
| 16:42.01 | Thasp | Is there something like nload that will combine the total bandwidth of two to three NICs into one window? |
| 16:42.03 | jair | bolt: I think that the kernel is advanced enough to support the hadrware raid |
| 16:42.11 | jair | I will keep trying |
| 16:42.28 | bolt | jair: i don't think you have a hardware raid. not that i've looked it up. but most integrated controllers are merely fakeraid |
| 16:42.34 | Thasp | I'd like to be able to see the total traffic in a similar manner to nload, right now I open three terminals and put nload into all of them and try to add it up in my head in realtime. |
| 16:42.45 | bolt | jair: and in those cases you are a lot better off with softraid |
| 16:43.09 | jair | why would you do software raid??? if you can have a controller taking care of everything |
| 16:43.18 | Thasp | i concur with bolt. mdadm > 99.99% of the controllers under $400 |
| 16:43.22 | jair | it is working on the IDE though |
| 16:43.35 | Quazar | Is there a flag for apt-get that will show you the version of a package you want with out installing it? |
| 16:43.40 | bolt | jair: if you don't HAVE a proper raid controller, you should do software raid |
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| 16:43.44 | jair | I boot linux and I see only one drive IDE but in reality I have two 80GB identicals |
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| 16:44.07 | jair | bolt: thank you for your help, the controller I have is just fine |
| 16:44.07 | rhsanborn | Is there a site somewhere with a list of official repos? |
| 16:44.13 | bolt | jair: so some of your fakeraid is supported. you still shouldn't use it |
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| 16:44.56 | jhutchins_ltsp | I tried to update my flash plugin in iceweasel, and now I have no plugins at all! There doesn't seem to be an option to scan for them. |
| 16:45.20 | bolt | jair: just checked. sil 3114 is fakeraid |
| 16:46.27 | jair | bolt: how do you know that? |
| 16:46.38 | jair | and what do you mean with fakeraid? |
| 16:46.40 | module000 | jhutchins_ltsp: how did you try to update it? |
| 16:46.41 | bolt | jair: google sil 3114 fakeraid. and read up on what fakeraid is. if you still prefer it over software raid, go right ahead |
| 16:46.48 | bolt | jair: dpkg told you |
| 16:47.00 | jair | bolt: I will check |
| 16:47.36 | enouf | jair: see linux-ata.org and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
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| 16:47.43 | Darkclaw66 | I am using dump to backup my hard drive. Can I have dump compress the backup files so it reduces the size of the files? |
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| 16:49.12 | jair | enouf: I am reading at it. But I heard that there are some limitations on using the software raid |
| 16:49.18 | enouf | jair: if you cat /proc/partitions, you see dm device names? |
| 16:49.21 | cast|lir | Darkclaw66: dunno, but could just filter it through lzma/bzip2/gzip |
| 16:49.35 | Darkclaw66 | it doesnt have a built-in compression mechanism? |
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| 16:49.44 | cast|lir | man dump and tell me. |
| 16:50.21 | enouf | jair: you want dmraid, i think - look into that, but i'd suggest mdadm (linux softraid) instead |
| 16:50.35 | Darkclaw66 | doesnt look like it |
| 16:51.07 | enouf | jair: and caveats != limitations ;-) |
| 16:51.21 | Darkclaw66 | its just that I do lots of backups and if I could save space it would be great |
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| 16:51.39 | jhutchins_ltsp | module000: The installer wouldn't run - wanted a "components" directory in the target directory. I manually copied libflashplayer.so into /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin, and made sure all the symlinks pointed to it. |
| 16:52.09 | jair | enouf: I will do some homework |
| 16:52.10 | jhutchins_ltsp | WHen I updated /usr/lib/iceweasel, the old flash plugin went away. |
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| 16:52.41 | Darkclaw66 | anyone know? |
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| 16:53.24 | jhutchins_ltsp | module000: Any suggestions? |
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| 16:54.59 | eidolon | hi folks, very stupid question here. I need to get debian etch for a dual Xeon box i'm installing. is that x86 or IA_64 ? |
| 16:55.03 | jair | enouf: this is the result of the proc partitions => http://paste.debian.net/27953/ |
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| 16:55.20 | Darkclaw66 | anyone know? |
| 16:55.30 | petemc | eidolon: i386 or amd64 |
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| 16:56.01 | enouf | jair: and both hda and sda are hooked up to the sil3114? |
| 16:56.11 | jair | nope |
| 16:56.15 | hargathor | hi guys |
| 16:56.22 | dA_ShArP | Hi, when I run K3B, it is saying, CD/DVD writer not detected |
| 16:56.34 | dA_ShArP | root@dreamland /dev # dmesg | grep -i dvd |
| 16:56.35 | jair | enouf: the hda drives are connected to another hardware controller |
| 16:56.36 | enouf | jair: consider looking into upgrading to a .24 (etchnhalf) or .26 (etch-backports) kernel |
| 16:56.37 | dA_ShArP | returns nothing |
| 16:56.41 | stew | eidolon: its definately not ia64, if its 64 bit it can run either i386 (x86) or amd64 (x86_64) |
| 16:56.47 | eidolon | okay, thank you |
| 16:56.51 | jair | enouf: that is what i wanted to try next |
| 16:57.01 | enouf | jair: so, only one drive (sda) is seen connected? when there are two there? |
| 16:57.02 | eidolon | stew, thank you |
| 16:57.07 | jair | but you see the two hda drives right. |
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| 16:57.26 | enouf | jair: there are no two hda drives |
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| 16:58.02 | enouf | jair: there's hda, and it's partitions, hda2 being an Ext'd, and hda5 being a logical, within the Ext'd |
| 16:58.04 | dusty_ | Hey guys I am having a problem removing a package, take a look at this: http://rafb.net/p/FKecGt62.html how can I remove it ? |
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| 16:58.25 | jair | enouf: no no. there are two IDE = hda in a separate controller. and two SATA = sda in another controller (sil3114) but debian see two if I run fdisk -l |
| 16:58.38 | jair | enouf: right |
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| 16:59.22 | enouf | jair: that == 4 drives, i see 2 total there |
| 16:59.40 | tczern | I learned that Debian can be installed on a Flashdrive, but how would I tell my Bios to Boot from a Flash Drive, there is no such option listed here. Thanks! |
| 16:59.42 | jair | enouf: but if I run fdisk -l => http://paste.debian.net/27954/ |
| 16:59.56 | haxi | ehrm, how can I change the keyboard layout in xorg.conf? |
| 17:00.02 | dusty_ | anyone this is driving me mad? |
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| 17:00.16 | jackweb | Hello. How to change a cursor of the mouse in Debian, GNOME? |
| 17:00.32 | jair | enouf: please listen carefully => this mobo have two raid controllers one for IDE drives and one for SATA drives |
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| 17:00.42 | enouf | jair: right, so sda and sdb exist, but neither have valid partition tables |
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| 17:00.57 | jair | enouf: the controller for IDE is set up in the bios and the sata too. but the IDE is working fine the sata does not |
| 17:01.12 | jair | sda and sdb should be just sda |
| 17:01.36 | jair | enouf: I should see only one drive instead of two because I set them up with raid 1 |
| 17:01.46 | jair | enouf: same as the hda and hdb |
| 17:02.00 | jackweb | After dist-upgrading to testing, I have black cursor, before I had white. How to set previous? |
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| 17:02.09 | jair | hda and hdb are both IDE and they are configured with raid1 on a separate hardware controller |
| 17:02.23 | jair | enouf: as you can see I can only see one drive 160GB |
| 17:03.21 | jair | enouf: do you understand now? |
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| 17:04.09 | jair | enouf: http://hardware4linux.info/component/14475/ <=====this link shows like the hardware is supported on linux |
| 17:04.37 | jair | enouf: I may try to run the etch-half and see then after I will run the .26 just to test |
| 17:05.02 | RayTracer | afaict, tar is pretty ugly from a coding style perspective ;-( |
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| 17:05.31 | RayTracer | (I'm currently trying to hack in O_DIRECT support) |
| 17:05.44 | jelly-home | RayTracer: tried star yet? |
| 17:05.58 | RayTracer | no, but it has no O_DIRECT support either |
| 17:06.10 | bolt | jair: why do you insist on using your fakeraid? disable both of them. it wont be any slower |
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| 17:06.22 | RayTracer | (at least not from what I could tell after reading its documentation) |
| 17:06.27 | badcfe | i have bash-completion debian package but no /etc/bash-completion 8 - ( how do i proceed to get it? |
| 17:06.47 | jair | bolt: but what will happen if one of the drives fail? |
| 17:07.09 | hark | badcfe: /etc/bash_completion |
| 17:07.13 | jelly-home | RayTracer: are you just trying to avoid trashing the cache? |
| 17:07.18 | RayTracer | yes |
| 17:07.18 | bolt | jair: as with any raid, you will be able to replace the faulty drive and continue on. that's what raid is for, be it hardware or software |
| 17:07.29 | jelly-home | RayTracer: nice |
| 17:07.38 | Mitar | how can I determine if two apache processes do share memory of libraries or if do they have loaded them seperatelly? (I am using aufs so apache files are in some way the same, but maybe OS does not see that, so I would like to check) |
| 17:07.43 | jair | bolt: I have a couple of IBM servers on the lab and I always use the raid hardware. works nicely hotplug |
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| 17:08.06 | Quibus | Hi all |
| 17:08.15 | Quibus | Is someone here running Debian with a Hurd kernel? |
| 17:08.18 | jair | bolt: on the hardware raid all I need to do is replace the drive (live) hotplug and that is all |
| 17:08.21 | RayTracer | jelly-home, I would have been done now, if O_DIRECT wouldn't require aligned buffers, this is where tar's buffering "magic" kicks in... |
| 17:08.30 | bolt | jair: doesn't matter if it's a piece of dedicated hardware doing the parity checking or your cpu. it's still raid. the problem is fakeraid, which you shouldn't use |
| 17:08.31 | jair | bolt: what will be the process on the software raid? |
| 17:08.34 | Quibus | We need the output of "uname -s" and "config.guess" on such a system |
| 17:08.55 | enouf | wow .. that was weird - i guess i clicked an area that freaked out kicker - took a kdeinit kicker command to restore all my windows :-P |
| 17:08.56 | bolt | jair: stuff the new drive in and run a couple of commands, i guess |
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| 17:09.14 | jair | bolt: if you have documentation for me to check I will try that but I do not have idea of what i will do on the software raid though |
| 17:09.35 | bolt | jair: documentation on what? |
| 17:09.54 | jair | bolt: on how to replace the drive on case of a fault on software raid. |
| 17:10.06 | PhorceP | bolt: fakeraid is the way to go if you're dual booting windows/linux |
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| 17:10.18 | bolt | PhorceP: wtf? |
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| 17:10.31 | PhorceP | 'cause windows won't see a linux softraid |
| 17:10.45 | bolt | PhorceP: so? |
| 17:11.09 | enouf | jair: mdadm --fail --remove are two commands you become familiar with when one drive fails on linux softraid |
| 17:11.20 | badcfe | hark: actually /etc/bash_completion.d/ but theres no gcc in there. how do i get that? |
| 17:11.24 | Thasp | bcm43xx: ASSERTION FAILED (radio_attenuation < 10) at: drivers/net/wireless/bcm43xx/bcm43xx+phy.c:1496:bcm43xx_find_lopair() <-- I get this when I try to connect to my wireless network with a broadcom b4318 card, what can I do about it? |
| 17:11.45 | PhorceP | bolt: so you won't be able to access anything on the raid from within windows... |
| 17:11.46 | jair | enouf: I will check that |
| 17:11.56 | enouf | jair: install mdadm, and read all the docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm and see the relevant man pages |
| 17:12.01 | jair | enouf: ok |
| 17:12.05 | jair | thank you |
| 17:12.54 | enouf | jair: note; you can always run dpkg-reconfigure mdadm - and note; /etc/default/mdadm , and /etc/cron.d/mdadm, and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 17:13.02 | badcfe | actually /etc/bash_completion.d/ but theres no gcc in there. how do i get that? |
| 17:13.06 | nick4 | I am trying to restore grub on sda6 (SATA). root (hd0,6) sais error 21 'Selected disk does not exist'. I tried googling and I came on this: http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/ , but 'find' also doesnt work. Ideas? |
| 17:13.26 | jair | enouf: ok |
| 17:13.53 | RayTracer | nick4, try (hd0,5) |
| 17:13.55 | Thasp | forcing it down to 11 mbps via iwconfig doesn't seem to work as well as http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2006/07/msg00020.html suggested it would, it still gives that error |
| 17:14.12 | enouf | jair: as i said though, for your fakeraid to be seen as one drive, i think you'd need dmraid |
| 17:14.29 | nick4 | RayTracer I did, (hd0,5), still error 21 |
| 17:14.56 | nick4 | RayTracer it was a typo on my first question, I meant (hd0,5) |
| 17:15.13 | hark | badcfe: should be in /etc/bash_completion |
| 17:15.41 | badcfe | hark: not on lenny |
| 17:15.51 | enouf | jair: (and for some reason, i didn't notice 3 drives (hda, sda, _and_sdb) in cat /proc/partition, only 2 (hda, sda)) |
| 17:16.18 | badcfe | hark: anyway, i guess theres some dpkg command i should use related to gcc and bash ... no? |
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| 17:16.37 | badcfe | hark: or is there a bash-completion-for-gcc ? |
| 17:17.21 | enouf | badcfe: did you enable it in your ~/.bashrc ? |
| 17:17.33 | hark | badcfe: you don't have a bash_completion file in /etc/ |
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| 17:18.06 | enouf | badcfe: are you using Debian? or one of it's offspring variants? |
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| 17:19.30 | jair | enouf: check this => http://paste.debian.net/27956/ |
| 17:19.42 | jair | enouf: that is the information I got from my machine |
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| 17:20.24 | Zvpun | I want to teach me some java. Is openjdk-6-jdk the right package? |
| 17:20.27 | badcfe | hark,enouf: oh, i now get it. theres no /etc/bash_completion.d/gcc because gcc completion is defined directly in /etc/bash_completion |
| 17:20.33 | jair | enouf: and I has been reading on the kernel.org site and shows that it is supported on kernels 2.6.15 and up, I am using kernel 2.6.18 |
| 17:20.56 | badcfe | however, i _do_ have a /etc/bash_completion.d guess its sourced indirectly from the file in /etc |
| 17:20.59 | jair | enouf: I guess I have the software option if I want but that raid hardware should be working now |
| 17:21.02 | enouf | jair: last time i will say this - dmraid! |
| 17:21.18 | enouf | do i really have to drag you to the url? |
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| 17:22.06 | badcfe | but how _would_ i do it if i wanted to revert for example all stupid changes ive done myself in /etc/bash_completion ... dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 17:23.37 | hark | reinstall with confnew .. afk |
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| 17:25.18 | icenine | awesome. |
| 17:25.23 | icenine | fresh debian install |
| 17:25.29 | icenine | firefox + flash10 = segfault./ |
| 17:25.49 | StyXman | hi all. I have a laptop with cpufreq capabilities, debian sid installed. it used to work, but now it doesn't, it's stuck in 800MHz while it can go up to 2.2GHz. here's what I tried: cupfreq-info says its hw limits are 800/800MHZ. I set the upper with cpufreq-set -u 2.2GHz, it works. I load the userpace governor, set it with cupfreq-set -g userspace. then I try to set the minimum to 1.6GHz (it's listed as a possible value) and I get this error: http://www. |
| 17:26.25 | peppe | StyXman: paste the link again, it was cut |
| 17:26.45 | StyXman | and it was the wrong URL :| http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/4652 |
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| 17:28.06 | peppe | StyXman: check out dmesg / messages for some errors |
| 17:28.35 | enouf | jair: http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SATA_RAID_FAQ |
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| 17:30.40 | jair | enouf: I will check that |
| 17:30.45 | jair | enouf: thank you |
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| 17:30.50 | StyXman | peppe: «Warning: EST-capable CPU detected. The acpi-cpufreq module offers voltage scaling in addition of frequency scaling. You should use that instead of p4-clockmod, if possible.» |
| 17:31.56 | StyXman | and a unrelated sigsegv fom xfce-sensors |
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| 17:38.18 | kados_ | Im still trying to get my cricket wireless card to work. When I do lsusb what I get is " Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0c88:17da Kyocera Wireless Corp. " |
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| 17:38.42 | kados_ | So now I know what device it is... but I need help figuring out how to get it to work. |
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| 17:39.01 | Decepticon | i want to see a ls of a dir where all the dir/files are shown with absolute paths and no other info |
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| 17:40.20 | StyXman | I have this: sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq |
| 17:40.21 | StyXman | 800000 |
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| 17:40.50 | peppe | StyXman: scaling_available_frequencies? |
| 17:40.53 | clad007 | Hello, how do I prevent my users to read anything but their home directory? |
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| 17:41.51 | StyXman | http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/4652 |
| 17:41.55 | StyXman | 2201000 2200000 1600000 1200000 800000 |
| 17:41.59 | StyXman | damn |
| 17:42.23 | peppe | StyXman: and you can't set it just by doing echo 1600000 > scaling_set_whatever? |
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| 17:42.41 | cahoot | clad007: you don't want them to run anything at all? |
| 17:43.02 | StyXman | 2201000 2200000 1600000 1200000 800000 |
| 17:43.11 | clad007 | I do, I just down't want them to look in /var, other /homes folder, etc |
| 17:43.12 | StyXman | damn tewice |
| 17:43.40 | StyXman | peppe: it doesn't fail, but the value stays at 800000 |
| 17:43.43 | clad007 | i want to jail them in their home dir |
| 17:43.53 | hargathor | did anyone know the release date of squeeze ? |
| 17:44.06 | cahoot | 2011? |
| 17:44.18 | StyXman | hargathor: 2009/02/14 |
| 17:44.22 | StyXman | or so |
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| 17:44.29 | hargathor | thanks |
| 17:44.31 | peppe | kados_: is it like a GSM modem? did you try using usbserial and wvdial/whatever? |
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| 17:45.48 | peppe | clad007: simply disable the access in dirs you don't want to allow them to go in |
| 17:46.39 | jelly-home | StyXman: hah! I say |
| 17:48.43 | clad007 | peppe: that is any dir except their home dir. Isnt it possible to just prevent the to cd to anything up they /home/username ? |
| 17:48.46 | kados_ | peppe : Its a CDMA device |
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| 17:49.15 | enouf | jair: no matter what, it's (sil3112/3114) not hardware raid, the card doesn't have it's own cpu for performing all the calculations necessary |
| 17:49.18 | peppe | clad007: don't you want to allow them execute programs? |
| 17:49.38 | jair | if I want to create an filesystem XFS or raiserfs?? |
| 17:49.42 | enouf | jair: hence the term; fakeraid |
| 17:49.50 | Zvpun | howto extract an mp3 from an mp4 file? |
| 17:49.57 | jair | enouf: got it I will go with the software raid my friend. I will |
| 17:49.58 | enouf | jair: what about it? |
| 17:50.05 | clad007 | peppe: I do, I just said I down't want them to cd or cat anything but their home directory |
| 17:50.16 | jair | enouf: if I want to format the filesystem on reiserfs or XFS |
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| 17:50.29 | jair | do I need to install any speciall module? |
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| 17:50.40 | jair | xfs module and reiserfs module |
| 17:50.44 | enouf | jair: you install the needed pkgs - for reiserfs 3.6 that would be resierfstools or similar, run mkreiserfs on it |
| 17:50.46 | cahoot | Zvpun: mplayer -dumpaudio? |
| 17:50.47 | jair | then run the mkfs.... |
| 17:51.03 | jair | enouf: got it |
| 17:51.11 | enouf | or mkfs.reiserfs |
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| 17:51.20 | peppe | clad007: you can use filesystem ACLs, SElinux... you've the choice |
| 17:51.36 | jair | enouf: the same for XFS |
| 17:52.19 | peppe | kados_: a CDMA device for doing what? connecting to an ISP? |
| 17:52.45 | enouf | jair: i use reiserfsprogs |
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| 17:53.43 | jair | enouf: that is the one I found on apt-cache search :) |
| 17:53.44 | kados_ | peppe: Yes, this is a cricket broadband card. Its a KPC650 PC-Card, device id is : "0c88:17da Kyocera Wireless Corp" |
| 17:53.46 | jair | enouf: thank you |
| 17:54.07 | jair | enouf: I will defenitely learn something new today then (software raid in linux :)) |
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| 17:54.24 | jair | enouf: but you can do the software raid without worry about any raid controller then |
| 17:54.27 | Akuw | hi |
| 17:54.30 | enouf | jair: yes |
| 17:54.32 | jair | you just need the drives |
| 17:54.35 | enouf | right |
| 17:54.44 | Akuw | i just installed Debian but without Desktop enviroment |
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| 17:54.52 | enouf | so you're not relying on any specific controller |
| 17:54.52 | Akuw | now i just installed Xorg |
| 17:54.55 | Akuw | what next? |
| 17:55.01 | jair | enouf: got it |
| 17:55.13 | enouf | Akuw: /msg dpkg install gnome (or kde) |
| 17:55.15 | kados_ | peppe : When I go to the device database here : http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB and look up the id.. it says its available under module airprime |
| 17:55.15 | jair | enouf: I really would like to see a document comparing the two of them |
| 17:55.23 | kados_ | bit now I dont know how to configure it |
| 17:55.27 | jair | enouf: I will google it |
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| 17:56.07 | enouf | jair: do yourself a favor, keep your /boot partition off of raid, or make a separate mirror for it |
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| 17:56.24 | Akuw | i want to install kde4 |
| 17:56.33 | enouf | Akuw: /msg dpkg kde4 |
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| 17:56.39 | jair | enouf: I will keep it in mind |
| 17:56.39 | Akuw | i read about to use experimental |
| 17:56.43 | jair | enouf: thank you |
| 17:56.46 | Malf | I want a pony |
| 17:56.47 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.52 | enouf | jair: sure .. np |
| 17:57.02 | enouf | !nopony Malf |
| 17:57.03 | dpkg | Malf: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 17:57.17 | peppe | kados_: simply I have no idea of what a "cricket" broadband card is. however, it should be a simple usb serial card, so you only have to set up pppd (wvdial, whatever) properly letting it use /dev/ttyUSBx |
| 17:57.43 | jair | enouf: so basically create a 100MB partition for boot separated from the softraid |
| 17:57.44 | Malf | ahaha yes! So glad that picture is always at the ready |
| 17:57.44 | peppe | kados_: like this http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/17600.html |
| 17:57.44 | Malf | I love that whole presentation on apache so much |
| 17:57.44 | enouf | jair: yep |
| 17:57.54 | jair | enouf: let's say I have a machine with two drives, identical size 160GB |
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| 17:58.30 | enouf | you can / on raid those, but keep your /boot elsewhere, or slice up the disk a bit |
| 17:58.36 | jair | enouf: from which of the drives I will use the 100MB? or do I create a separate mirror of 100MB using 100MB from each drive |
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| 17:59.16 | enouf | or, create a separate 100MB mirror (raid1) on both, .. but keeping it elsewhere is simpler to me |
| 17:59.26 | K|NgGh0sT | Is there any HDD Wiping tools besides just dd'ing all 0's to a drive? |
| 17:59.39 | enouf | K|NgGh0sT: tons - shread, dban, etc |
| 17:59.43 | jair | enouf: understood |
| 17:59.49 | enouf | er shred .. |
| 17:59.57 | jair | enouf: thank you very much for the help on this |
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| 18:00.09 | jair | enouf: I found this ---> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/4349/2/ |
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| 18:00.28 | enouf | jair: welcome |
| 18:00.54 | K|NgGh0sT | apt-cache doesn't have dban or shread, guess I gotta build em myself? |
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| 18:01.38 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: he meant shred which you already have in coreutiles |
| 18:01.42 | stew | coreutils* |
| 18:01.46 | frostschutz | K|NgGh0sT: isn't dban a boot disk / cd rather than a software you install? |
| 18:01.54 | stew | !dban |
| 18:01.54 | dpkg | well, dban is http://www.dban.org/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
| 18:01.59 | enouf | jair: you're well on your way - soon you'll be ready to stomach this stuff ;-) http://www.baarf.com/ |
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| 18:02.35 | Kalleos | How is the demon in Debian called which deals with automatical mounting? |
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| 18:02.45 | enouf | !automount |
| 18:02.45 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount> |
| 18:02.46 | frostschutz | K|NgGh0sT: if you want to wipe a hard disk, just use dd... |
| 18:02.52 | Kalleos | ic |
| 18:03.01 | enouf | Kalleos: /msg dpkg pmount (as well) |
| 18:03.07 | K|NgGh0sT | frostschutz, I'm selling the drive, so I want to wipe it |
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| 18:03.33 | StyXman | wipe... use... wipe |
| 18:03.45 | frostschutz | K|NgGh0sT: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/harddrive bs=1M is all you need for that. For extra service, create a partition with cfdisk and mkfs.vfat it |
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| 18:03.51 | K|NgGh0sT | I already did a pass of all 0's |
| 18:03.55 | enouf | someone told me of another overwriting tool .. ahh "scrub"! |
| 18:03.59 | frostschutz | K|NgGh0sT: that's fine then, one pass is sufficient |
| 18:04.53 | enouf | K|NgGh0sT: look into 'scrub' as well - or ... you could've tried secure-delete while you were using the disk |
| 18:04.54 | K|NgGh0sT | I dunno, still parinoid heh |
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| 18:05.47 | jair | enouf: interesting stuff |
| 18:06.09 | K|NgGh0sT | enouf, alright gonna look that up |
| 18:06.25 | enouf | frostschutz: bs=4M seems to work faster ;-) |
| 18:06.29 | Quazar | Are there any nessus gurus here? |
| 18:07.30 | frostschutz | enouf: really? the default blocksize of dd is so small it causes a huge overhead and thus slows down everything, but I didn't notice any difference using any reasonably large blocksize |
| 18:07.59 | enouf | frostschutz: i've run some very small tests here on my older HDDs - 4M is optimal here for speed |
| 18:08.04 | frostschutz | K|NgGh0sT: that's a waste of time :) |
| 18:08.07 | zigovr | hi all, when I install something with "apt-cross", where does it actually get installed ? |
| 18:08.11 | frostschutz | enouf: ok, if you say so :) |
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| 18:08.28 | enouf | frostschutz: i didn't test 1M vs 4M, but more like bs=4k vs bs=4M |
| 18:08.37 | frostschutz | enouf: yeah, that sounds more like it |
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| 18:09.01 | frostschutz | enouf: 1M should already be too large (but as long as you're not on an embedded device short on memory it does not matter either way) |
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| 18:09.45 | stew | frostschutz: cp uses 4M on most arches. dd with 4M goes faster than cp |
| 18:10.13 | K|NgGh0sT | it took so long to cp all the data off the disk to begin with |
| 18:10.30 | cast|lir | how would i get a listing of installed packages and installed size?i thought i could extract output from dpkg -l and do 1000ish apt-cache show|greps |
| 18:11.30 | jair | to remove an older kernel from my boot menu: 1. apt-get remove linux-image-xxxxxx 2. dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz* 3. update-grub done!? |
| 18:11.41 | jair | am I missing anything here? |
| 18:12.10 | stew | cast|lir: grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "installed" |
| 18:12.37 | stew | cast|lir: or something similar, 'man grep-dctrl' |
| 18:12.38 | enouf | stew: + | sort -n or something ;-) |
| 18:12.47 | enouf | er.. wait.. sorry |
| 18:12.48 | cast|lir | what package is this? |
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| 18:12.57 | stew | sorted by installed size is in the grep-dctrl manpage |
| 18:13.03 | stew | cast|lir: grep-dctrl |
| 18:13.20 | alsd | jair: actually dpkg -S is not needed, it just tells you which package has the file you want |
| 18:13.37 | cast|lir | roger, thanks :) |
| 18:13.49 | stew | cast|lir: aptitude search -F"%p %I" "~i" |
| 18:14.14 | cast|lir | hah, nice. |
| 18:14.33 | jair | alsd: ohh ok Thank you :) |
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| 18:15.51 | alsd | jair: you can also 'apt-get --purge remove <blah>' to be sure not to leave configuration files, althrough i doubt linux images have conf files |
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| 18:17.24 | stew | even better: aptitude search --sort installsize -F"%p %I" "~i" |
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| 18:17.36 | jair | alsd: thank you |
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| 18:17.52 | enouf | dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less |
| 18:18.07 | enouf | that's what i use |
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| 18:20.32 | hargathor | i ve got a prb on my new laptop, i installed lenny a few month ago and i noticed that my battery was discharging pretty quickly |
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| 18:21.12 | hargathor | i suppose it's because of my processor. it turns always on fast mode (i don't know how to say that) |
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| 18:22.04 | enouf | hargathor: cpufreq-utils |
| 18:22.23 | hargathor | did someone know a good tool to administrate your processors speed ? i've tried powernowd and cupfred but i ve got a bunch of erros with it7 |
| 18:23.15 | enouf | hargathor: seems it's stuck in 'performance' mode - read the docs about all that (install and find/read the cpufreq-utils docs, and maybe even laptop-mode ones) -- see the /Documentation/cpu* dirs - see lesswatts.org, etc |
| 18:23.45 | enouf | hargathor: have you enabled it (speedstep, or powernow?) in the BIOS? |
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| 18:24.12 | hargathor | enouf : ok, thanks but i've already tried cpufred and i've got a error about libsysfs |
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| 18:24.31 | enouf | hargathor: which debian release? which kernel version? and which CPU? |
| 18:24.36 | hargathor | enouf : i did'nt touch the bios |
| 18:25.02 | enouf | so, go touch ;-) |
| 18:25.20 | hargathor | enouf : lenny, 2.6.27.3 and intel dual core |
| 18:25.34 | enouf | that's not a debian kernel |
| 18:25.37 | hargathor | enouf : ok ^^ |
| 18:25.51 | enouf | try it using a Debian one |
| 18:26.03 | hargathor | enouf : no it's from kernel.org |
| 18:26.05 | CellKill | are there any 2.6.28 kernel debs yet? Any that you guys might reccomend? |
| 18:26.23 | enouf | CellKill: you'd need buildserver |
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| 18:26.52 | hargathor | enouf: and in the BIOS i search for what information ? |
| 18:26.57 | enouf | if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't though |
| 18:27.16 | enouf | hargathor: SpeedStep related - CPU freq scaling, ask Intel |
| 18:27.31 | CellKill | enouf, I am fully capable of building the kernel myself, the debian way even |
| 18:27.42 | hargathor | enouf : ok, i'm going to try that |
| 18:27.43 | enouf | CellKill: no offense intended |
| 18:27.45 | CellKill | enouf, I'm just looking to add a reliable repo and apt-get it |
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| 18:27.53 | hargathor | enouf : thanks for your help |
| 18:27.55 | Akuw | is there any chat for console? |
| 18:27.57 | Akuw | irc |
| 18:27.58 | enouf | welcome hargathor |
| 18:28.10 | hargathor | Akuw : weechat |
| 18:28.12 | enouf | CellKill: just .. they're very experimental at this point |
| 18:28.31 | enouf | CellKill: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 18:28.51 | CellKill | the server that I'd be playing with it on is a test server anyway :P |
| 18:28.55 | enouf | Akuw: bitlbee? |
| 18:28.57 | CellKill | enouf, ty |
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| 18:29.01 | enouf | np |
| 18:29.16 | CellKill | Akuw, irssi is good for console irc |
| 18:29.18 | hargathor | CellKill : try with the make-kpkg method, it's very easy |
| 18:29.22 | CellKill | Akuw, naim for console aim |
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| 18:29.35 | CellKill | hargathor, will look into that as well |
| 18:29.45 | Akuw | thanks |
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| 18:30.03 | betrayed | finch for console aim. |
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| 18:32.03 | enouf | CellKill: you might've wanted this moreso - snapshots http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
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| 18:33.16 | K|NgGh0sT | I can't seem to get scrub installed |
| 18:33.16 | K|NgGh0sT | I hope one pass of zeroing of the drive is enough |
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| 18:33.36 | enouf | K|NgGh0sT: /join #debian on irc.oftc.net - see fxiny and i over there |
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| 18:34.35 | enouf | K|NgGh0sT: <fxiny> enouf: yes . it fills the hd up and then it deletes the generated file . grab the readme , 1.9 compiles fine in etch and is debianized in lenny |
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| 18:34.53 | enouf | [13:12:21] <fxiny> enouf: 2.1 version on sourceforge |
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| 18:45.17 | andriijas | which package should i apt get install to get a sendmail that uses my ISPs smtp server, the absolute easiest way? |
| 18:45.43 | frostschutz | andriijas: I like msmtp |
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| 18:46.18 | andriijas | "In the default mode, it transmits a mail to an SMTP server (for example at a free mail provider) which does the delivery." |
| 18:46.21 | andriijas | sweet |
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| 19:03.27 | bolt | how can i list the devices currenly being used for swap? |
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| 19:03.47 | jelly-home | bolt: /proc/swaps |
| 19:04.17 | bolt | jelly-home: ah. thanks :D |
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| 19:05.35 | jelly-home | bolt: also swapon -s |
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| 19:14.20 | cousin_luigi | hi |
| 19:14.33 | arod_ | nartro italiano |
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| 19:14.43 | dvs | chao |
| 19:14.51 | cousin_luigi | happens:) |
| 19:15.45 | cousin_luigi | just wanted to know if the 14th February deadline is going to be met |
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| 19:16.02 | enouf | listen cuz! |
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| 19:16.23 | cousin_luigi | enouf: yes? |
| 19:16.25 | arod_ | how do I check local mail from icedove? there's no movemail account in icedove |
| 19:16.37 | funkyHat | Hi I'm looking at http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening and I can't really tell what it's saying, is there a page that explains what's already implemented in debian? |
| 19:16.44 | jbu311 | hi all, make-kpkg created my kernel and initramfs (or initrd) for me, but it keeps saying that the disk isn't found even though the same disk works in other kernels. Should I be able to see my disk in the /dev/ folder of initramfs? |
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| 19:20.33 | enouf | jbu311: you didn't build your kernel correctly, go back and try again |
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| 19:21.04 | jbu311 | enouf, how do you know it's not a problem in the mkinitramfs? |
| 19:21.27 | enouf | jbu311: the important bits are the copy config into /src/ dir ; mv config-name .config ; make oldconfig ; make menuconfig (to tweak) ; make kpkg .... |
| 19:21.57 | jbu311 | i did that |
| 19:22.29 | enouf | jbu311: because the initrd is made at installation time, and if you made the kernel correctly the initrd would be correct - unless you forgot to do some extra magic needed for various exotic disk/lvm/encryption/virtual disk support |
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| 19:23.23 | hargut | hello |
| 19:23.33 | enouf | there is the possibilty also, that some newer debian kernels are missing certain modules (sata_sil and pata_marvell come to mind offhand) but since fixed, etc |
| 19:23.59 | hargut | is it right now possible to install sun-java6-jre 6.12 on unstable? (sun-java6-bin seems to be outdated) |
| 19:24.10 | jbu311 | enouf, to be sure I wasn't configuring it improperly, I tried compiling it with default configs, and that also couldn't find my disk |
| 19:24.24 | jbu311 | enouf, but I can try again...default configs take so long to build |
| 19:24.40 | enouf | jbu311: try the same kernel with other initrd's from other working kernels |
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| 19:24.48 | jbu311 | enouf, tried |
| 19:24.54 | enouf | you don't need make defconfig |
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| 19:25.22 | enouf | for some things, the kernel needs =y support - now you have to get really specific |
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| 19:25.38 | jbu311 | enouf, i'll try again, thanks for the input |
| 19:25.57 | enouf | i suspect you have a LVM issue perhaps, like wth no /boot partition off of LVM |
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| 19:26.19 | enouf | well .. i'd need to see exact errors and at which stage they are coming |
| 19:27.08 | ribasushi | ldap on debian |
| 19:27.24 | ribasushi | if I setup everything, and then at some point I install a package that sets up a user |
| 19:27.35 | ribasushi | what will happen - will he end up in ldap or in the local /etc/passwd ? |
| 19:27.39 | ribasushi | is this controllable? |
| 19:29.29 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 19:29.40 | enouf | later cuz! |
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| 19:31.31 | Thasp | -*- Wireless extensions <--- what does it mean in make menuconfig when there are dashes next to the asterik? |
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| 19:31.55 | Thasp | madwifi install says i didn't enable wireless extensions in the kernel, but there it is, enabled, and I get the error anyway, this is 2ith 2.6.24 |
| 19:31.56 | kados_ | okay...so Im trying to get this Cricket card working. The device is "Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0c88:17da Kyocera Wireless Corp." when I run lsusb. The common card name is Kyocera KPC650. I found these links : http://www.evdoforums.com/thread1256.html and http://www.junxion.com/opensource/linux_highspeed_usbserial |
| 19:31.57 | kados_ | the second link is where the patch information is... but I dont know how to build this patch. |
| 19:32.10 | kados_ | I try running 'diff -Naur drivers/usb/serial/usbserial.c drivers/usb/serial/usbserial_junxion.c' like it says... but I am missing usbserial_junxion.c |
| 19:32.21 | kados_ | Should I be taking the code found on that patch page and putting it into a file called usbserial_junxion.c? |
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| 19:32.35 | hargut | can anyone help me with make-kpkg, i don't get it to call make menuconfig through make-kpkg. the kernel image was compiled some times ago with make-kpkg but when i use as target configure and as option --config menuconfig no menuconfig appears, some lines got writen to stdout and that's it. |
| 19:32.38 | hargut | any idea? |
| 19:32.41 | ribasushi | enouf: come on dude, don't you use ldap? :) |
| 19:33.10 | ribasushi | hargut: you don't need make-kpkg for the configuration stage at all |
| 19:33.12 | dvs | hargut: apt-get install libcurses5-dev ? |
| 19:33.15 | ribasushi | hargut: just do make menuconfig |
| 19:33.37 | hargut | dvs: ii libncurses5-dev 5.7+20090124-1 |
| 19:33.38 | ribasushi | dvs: he didn't say he's getting an error...? |
| 19:33.43 | hargut | that shouldn't be the problem. |
| 19:33.52 | hargut | ribasushi: it doesn't look like getting an errror. |
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| 19:34.07 | ribasushi | hargut: what does make manuconfig show (exactly) |
| 19:34.31 | hargut | ribasushi: http://paste.debian.net/27967/ |
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| 19:35.04 | ribasushi | hargut: not make-kpkg - just `make menuconfig` |
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| 19:35.09 | ribasushi | hargut: one by one |
| 19:35.33 | hargut | ribasushi: make menuconfig does what it's supposed to. |
| 19:35.54 | enouf | ribasushi: no, i don't ... but even if i did, your question is vague at best - know about pam_ldap stuff? |
| 19:36.31 | hargut | ribasushi: that means, make menuconfig works. but make-kpkg --config menuconfig configure doesn't work. |
| 19:36.34 | enouf | hargut: are you not Saving changes? or ... |
| 19:36.43 | ribasushi | hargut: yes, kick up some verbosity flag in make-kpkg or something |
| 19:36.52 | ribasushi | hargut: also `make-kpkg clean` might help |
| 19:36.54 | enouf | hargut: what?? |
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| 19:37.14 | hargut | ribasushi: make-kpkg clean allready tried. |
| 19:37.23 | enouf | hargut: what kind of option is that? is it even legitimate? i never used that .. |
| 19:37.44 | enouf | hargut: which version of make-kpkg? |
| 19:37.51 | hargut | verbose is a good hint. (why didn't i got that myself?) |
| 19:38.16 | dvs | hargut: Why not use "make menuconfig"? |
| 19:38.17 | hargut | enouf: ii kernel-package 11.016 |
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| 19:38.45 | ribasushi | enouf: how is it vague? basically I am contemplating to setup an ldap directory for user authentication, but at the same time I do not want to have system tools (i.e. dpkg) to pollute it with changes - all automatically created users are to reside on the corresponding local system. Thus my question - how does one do it |
| 19:38.49 | enouf | judd: versions kernel-package |
| 19:38.51 | judd | enouf: kernel-package -- etch: 10.067 sid: 11.012 lenny: 11.015 sid: 11.016 |
| 19:39.07 | ribasushi | hargut: I second dvs' question |
| 19:39.35 | enouf | stew: is that correct? why did sid come 1st there? lenny's version is newer? slushy side-effect? :-P |
| 19:39.48 | hargut | dvs: because i don't like it when things don't behave like they should. (for sure i could make the kernel this time by hand and with make menuconfig ... - but if there's a bug it should be fixed, or the feature should be turned off.) |
| 19:39.50 | enouf | oh crap - there's 2x sid there |
| 19:39.58 | hargut | ribasushi: ^^ |
| 19:40.12 | stew | erg |
| 19:40.20 | enouf | hargut: er ... |
| 19:40.20 | ribasushi | hargut: I don't think this is a valid feature of make-kpkg :) |
| 19:40.31 | enouf | hargut: you're doing something very wrong then |
| 19:40.32 | dvs | hargut: you have a problem compiling it too or just with menuconfig? |
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| 19:40.35 | stew | enouf: they are correctly ordered in 'dpkg --compare-versions' order. i don't know why sid is there twice, looking... |
| 19:40.53 | hargut | ribasushi: dvs: just with menuconfig; make-kpkg binary works. |
| 19:40.54 | enouf | stew: ok, thanks - just noticed and thought i'd ask ;-) |
| 19:41.15 | stew | enouf: yeah, i appriciate it :) |
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| 19:41.35 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 19:41.50 | Ego86 | hi all |
| 19:41.59 | hargut | " --config target Change the type of configure done from the default oldconfig." from make-kpkg --help directly. what do i get wrong? |
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| 19:42.15 | enouf | hargut: makekpkg --targets |
| 19:42.18 | enouf | er |
| 19:42.21 | enouf | hargut: make-kpkg --targets |
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| 19:42.42 | hargut | enouf: i don't think that here this target's are meant. |
| 19:42.53 | enouf | yes, they are |
| 19:43.02 | Ego86 | i just installed the debian lenny rc2, but i got white screen at logon and i can't install the driver for my graphic card in this way |
| 19:43.07 | Ego86 | how can i do it? |
| 19:43.07 | simon | hello there. I just installed debian using debootstrap, and naturally it doesn't give me much in /etc to go from. I'm trying to configure DHCP, but I get "socket: Address family not supported by protocol" when trying to run dhclient (either directly or through ifup / init.d/networking). |
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| 19:43.40 | ribasushi | simon: do you have the netbase package? |
| 19:43.43 | simon | Ego86, can you switch to a virtual terminal? |
| 19:43.46 | enouf | hargut: especially since all you can say is "it doesn't work" |
| 19:43.51 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 19:43.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:44.03 | simon | ribasushi, yes. |
| 19:44.32 | Ego86 | simon, what is virtual terminal? |
| 19:44.45 | Ego86 | i thinked about to boot in comman-line mode |
| 19:44.51 | hargut | enouf: moment please. |
| 19:44.55 | simon | Ego86, that'd work also. |
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| 19:45.07 | Ego86 | but how? |
| 19:45.40 | enouf | hargut: sorry - you seem to be correct |
| 19:45.41 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.41 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.41 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:46.00 | enouf | gah .. i deserved it :-p |
| 19:46.01 | stew | !tell enouf about flood |
| 19:46.04 | enouf | my bad ... |
| 19:46.15 | enouf | i didn't realize the \n were in there! |
| 19:46.22 | hargut | enouf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506905 |
| 19:46.24 | simon | ribasushi, I can access the 'net if I do something like "ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.2.3", ssh to my router and ssh from there (which is what I'm doing now) |
| 19:46.38 | Ego86 | after the grub appears, it offers me three options: start debian normally, single user mode, and start windows vista |
| 19:46.55 | Ego86 | where can i start my system in commandline mode? |
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| 19:46.57 | ribasushi | simon: dunno :( I've done several bootstraps myself, never seen this issue |
| 19:46.59 | simon | ribasushi, so my netcard is working fine, but the config for DHCP is sort of broken. |
| 19:47.00 | hargut | enouf: that was about 2 versions ago, as i reported it, not directly the same problem, but a similar. |
| 19:47.04 | dvs | Ego86: single user |
| 19:47.15 | ribasushi | simon: the dhcp client - did you get it off apt as well? |
| 19:47.19 | simon | ribasushi, well, if you've done several bootstraps, how do you usually configure the network? |
| 19:47.26 | enouf | hargut: are you using that option with kernel patches? |
| 19:47.29 | stew | enouf: the .012 version definately shouldn't be in there. i'm running an update by hand now that should purge it... we'll see, let me know if you see more, please |
| 19:47.30 | simon | ribasushi, I think it came with netbase, but if it didn't, then yes. |
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| 19:47.32 | cr3rzemjest | i've upgraded kde to 4.2 because i've been having problems on 4.1.4, but now i have different problem: kdm popups critical error window when i press enter when trying to login ("critical error check logs/call admin"), and i've found no errors in /var/log/kdm.log + Xorg.log (+ .xsession-errors)... HOWEver, i can start kde using startx |
| 19:47.32 | ribasushi | simon: it just works(tm) |
| 19:47.34 | Ego86 | okay, i'm gonna try it... |
| 19:47.45 | simon | ribasushi, so you plug in the netcard, reboot and you're online? |
| 19:47.47 | enouf | stew: sure - will do |
| 19:48.04 | ribasushi | simon: well, I make sure that I have an ethX dhcp in /etc/networks, but yes |
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| 19:48.33 | ribasushi | simon: run aptitutde, see what dhcp client you have |
| 19:48.34 | simon | ribasushi, so, "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"? |
| 19:48.35 | hargut_ | enouf: why kernel-patches? my kernel is patched, but by hand. i just want to change the configuration of the actual kernel. |
| 19:48.42 | ribasushi | simon: yessir |
| 19:48.55 | hargut_ | enouf: and i want to do it with make-kpkg, because it should be able to do that. |
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| 19:49.21 | simon | ribasushi, 3.1.1-6. I did an apt-get upgrade in my chroot before rebooting. |
| 19:49.24 | enouf | hargut_: i asked ... because .. have you read man make-kpkg? |
| 19:49.36 | simon | (update, too, of course) |
| 19:49.44 | enouf | your patchset is likely mucking it/you up |
| 19:49.47 | ribasushi | hargut_: maybe, just no one here uses make-kpkg to invoke the configurator - it's twice the typing for no benefit. So read the manpage, determine cause, file bugreport |
| 19:50.11 | ribasushi | simon: but which dhcp client - there are 5 of them |
| 19:50.15 | simon | ribasushi, I'll fiddle a little more with it. any clue on why dhcp would say that my kernel is missing stuff? |
| 19:50.18 | simon | ribasushi, oh! dhcp3-client |
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| 19:50.36 | hargut_ | ribasushi: no, it's not twice as much typing, with the right value in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf you can call that just with "make-kpkg configure |
| 19:50.37 | hargut_ | " |
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| 19:50.44 | hargut_ | which is alsmost as long as make menuconfig |
| 19:50.47 | enouf | hargut_: see PATCH_THE_KERNEL in there |
| 19:51.06 | hargut_ | s/als/al |
| 19:51.12 | hargut_ | enouf: where? |
| 19:51.17 | enouf | ... |
| 19:51.19 | simon | ribasushi, which one have you got? |
| 19:51.41 | ribasushi | simon: the isc one is ok... hm I really can't think of anything else |
| 19:51.41 | enouf | [14:48:46] <enouf> hargut_: i asked ... because .. have you read man make-kpkg? |
| 19:52.03 | simon | ribasushi, yeah never mind. probably something missing in a config. |
| 19:52.08 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 19:52.15 | ribasushi | simon: oh do you use a custom kernel? |
| 19:53.19 | hargut_ | enouf: but what has PATCH_THE_KERNEL=Yes/No to do with --config menuconfig? |
| 19:53.33 | simon | ribasushi, nope. I use an ubuntu kernel right now ;-) |
| 19:53.48 | ribasushi | simon: so why are you in debian? :) |
| 19:54.03 | simon | ribasushi, because I'm running debian. ;-P haven't gotten to replacing the kernel yet, hehe. |
| 19:54.13 | enouf | hargut_: you can't tell? listen .. i still need to see/know/read your real error |
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| 19:54.48 | ribasushi | enouf: the force is strong with you (still not giving up) |
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| 19:55.21 | hargut_ | enouf: know what PATCH_THE_KERNEL is, and that it could have influence on --config, but shouldn't target configure just configure the kernel with the --config target i set? |
| 19:55.24 | simon | brb |
| 19:55.36 | hargut_ | or, is the configure target of make-kpkg something complete different? |
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| 19:58.33 | enouf | hargut_: i don't profess to know all the specific, but it appears to me with a manually patched kernel, and mismatched .config (things that the patched kernel will eventaully allow enabling/disablng of) that all sorts of weird issues can crop up -- unless you're using PATCH_THE_KERNEL along with the '--added_patches foo' option, after all make-kpkg is meant for (mainly) debian sourced kernel building .. so, if it's an issue for you, inquire |
| 19:58.33 | enouf | bug report perhaps |
| 19:58.35 | hargut_ | enouf: from man make-kpkg: " configure This target runs configure (actually, config_target, set by --config which defaults to oldconfig ) early, so you may edit files generated by make config in the kernel source directory and not have them stomped by make-kpkg later." that means for me, that make-kpkg --config menuconfig config, or when config_target = menuconfig in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf ist set, that i should get |
| 19:58.35 | hargut_ | with make-kpkg configure a menuconfig dialog. not more, or less. |
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| 19:59.32 | enouf | hargut_: if you want success instead for now, do it the way we've been mentioning all along |
| 19:59.52 | hargut_ | enouf: yes. bug report. just because it doesn't work like described. |
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| 20:00.18 | enouf | sure .. even if it's to clarify the documetation only .. but yes, it's all good |
| 20:00.21 | hargut_ | enouf: yes, it's no problem for me to build the kernel without that feature. :) |
| 20:00.40 | hargut_ | enouf: or even without make-kpkg ;) |
| 20:00.46 | enouf | right |
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| 20:01.32 | hargut_ | i just wondered what's going on, because i reported a bug on that issue just a few weeks ago, and now it's again broken. so thought i messed up somewhere else. but it seems that's just again buggy/wrong documented. |
| 20:01.40 | hargut_ | thanks guys |
| 20:02.06 | simon | ribasushi, okay, I think I'll just install a new kernel, the ubuntu kernel sort of depended on having its kernel modules somewhere where they weren't, and the dir it was looking for was half the size of my new debian, so I think I'll avoid a lot of bloat by just doing it by the book. |
| 20:02.09 | enouf | hargut_: was it ever addressed/fixed? |
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| 20:02.51 | tonsofpcs | enouf! |
| 20:02.53 | enouf | hargut_: have you tried ; make-kpkg --config oldconfig config ? |
| 20:02.58 | enouf | tons! |
| 20:03.09 | tonsofpcs | hiya :) |
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| 20:03.18 | ribasushi | simon: 1) get any system up 2) do a debootstrap 3) mount dev/proc into the bootstrapped stuff 4) chroot into it (you'll have net) 5) run aptitude to install a regular debian kernel 6) reboot 7) profit |
| 20:03.26 | enouf | yoyo roTONdra :-) |
| 20:04.03 | simon | ribasushi, thanks. |
| 20:04.11 | enouf | ribasushi: how about /sys as well in step 3 :-) |
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| 20:04.35 | ribasushi | for dpkg? what for? |
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| 20:04.50 | simon | enouf, somehow /sys automatically mounts when I chroot. not sure why, but it's there. |
| 20:05.00 | enouf | oh .. i see, you were doing so to just install another kernel |
| 20:05.08 | simon | yup. |
| 20:05.13 | enouf | simon: sometimes, yes |
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| 20:08.01 | simon | is there an xorg package that doesn't require 147M of dependencies, or is that what it takes to get X on a box? |
| 20:08.58 | petemc | simon: xserver-xorg-core |
| 20:09.07 | simon | thanks. |
| 20:09.08 | enouf | simon: you can't use output of 'mount' to view mounts when you chroot, .. unless .. , but anyway try cat /proc/mounts once you mount /proc before (using --bind) /after the chroot |
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| 20:10.26 | ribasushi | simon: consider installing only things necessary for boot and rebooting into the system proper, before installing other things |
| 20:10.50 | edoceo | How can I tell which debian version I'm on? My /etc/debian_version says "testing/unstable" and sources.list just says (stable main contrib non-free) |
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| 20:11.10 | DogWater | dumb question. what is the difference between 'stable' and 'etch'? |
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| 20:11.29 | maligor | etch is the specific codename for the release |
| 20:11.30 | simon | ribasushi, good point. that's what I was going for before. |
| 20:11.30 | ribasushi | DogWater: stable is the current stable, etch will always remain etch (whatever version it is) |
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| 20:11.42 | DogWater | ahh christ so i just mirrored a super old version? |
| 20:11.45 | DogWater | agony |
| 20:11.48 | simon | ribasushi, just a little annoyed at configuring errors from a low-res terminal without a mouse daemon ;-P |
| 20:11.58 | stew | DogWater: currently nothing. soon (hopefully in a week or so) 'stable' will be lenny and 'oldstable' will be etch |
| 20:12.22 | rohan | how many RC bugs are still remaining in debian lenny? is the target of 14th feb achievable? |
| 20:12.43 | DogWater | stew: well i specifically mirrored 'etch' and it doesn't match the install media for the latest release of version 4 |
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| 20:13.05 | enouf | simon: when i run "mount --bind /proc /mnt/p3/proc" (my chroot is /mnt/p3) prior to chroot, then chroot; then cat /proc/mounts, i get all i see from outside the chroot, plus my --bing mounted /proc -> none /proc proc rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec 0 0 |
| 20:13.06 | TTT_Travis | Hi I have a data hard drive that I moved from my old debian computer, now on the new computer the files are all highlighted green in terminal, I Think that means sticky bit -- how do I get the files back to normal? |
| 20:13.07 | stew | rohan: see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html |
| 20:13.45 | edoceo | My cpuinfo says "Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2216 HE" - which kernel image should I use? |
| 20:13.51 | stew | DogWater: it should. can you be more specific about which file(s) you are looking at? |
| 20:13.53 | rohan | stew: yes, i am asking in relation to that only |
| 20:14.29 | stew | rohan: it tells you how to find the number of outstanding bugs, and which could be blockers |
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| 20:14.40 | rohan | stew: ah yes, i just noticed |
| 20:14.41 | rohan | thanks |
| 20:14.56 | enouf | simon: looking at that same /proc --bind mount once exiting the chroot - and i get "/proc on /mnt/p3/proc type none (rw,bind)" <== for that same entry .. (the original is still there too ofcourse) .. now i'll umount that --bind mounted /proc |
| 20:15.09 | DogWater | stew: its more likely that my mirror is screwed up |
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| 20:16.10 | scientes | how do you get a fingerprint from a public key? |
| 20:16.19 | stew | scientes: what kind of public key? |
| 20:16.23 | scientes | like .ssh/autorized_hosts |
| 20:16.24 | jbu311 | what kind of fingerprint? |
| 20:16.26 | simon | scientes, gpg? ssh? |
| 20:16.41 | scientes | like .ssh/autorized_keys* |
| 20:16.53 | DogWater | stew: there is just a /debian/dists/etch folder and the installer is looking for a 'stable' folder. |
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| 20:17.18 | enouf | simon: atleast boot using vga=791 or similar - for higher console resolution ;-) |
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| 20:17.45 | trifler | Is it possible to run tomcat and php on the same apache server? |
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| 20:18.36 | enouf | edoceo: you can use either the i386, or amd64 - how much RAM do yuo have, and 'file /bin/ls' will tell you if you have 64bit userland or not |
| 20:19.23 | stew | DogWater: you can make stable a symlink to etch |
| 20:19.36 | simon | enouf, does that work in grub, too, or is it lilo terminology? |
| 20:19.44 | enouf | edoceo: you appear to have installed atleast a Lenny libc6 at one time, someone could've removed previous entries from sources.list, or installed other things thruogh other ways |
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| 20:20.05 | enouf | simon: it's a kernel parameter |
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| 20:20.31 | simon | enouf, oh, nice. |
| 20:20.32 | enouf | simon: so however LiLo likes those .. likely append= or something - but yeah, works in grub, on kernel line |
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| 20:21.49 | edoceo | enouf: that is exactly what happend - I just took over this machine from previous admin |
| 20:22.22 | edoceo | apt-get update is fail - loads of dependency errors - non-SMP kernel - etc |
| 20:22.27 | enouf | edoceo: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 20:22.42 | enouf | edoceo: non-SMP likely means -486 |
| 20:22.44 | edoceo | ii libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 20:22.52 | enouf | just upgrade the .. oh dear .. heh |
| 20:23.03 | enouf | edoceo: see #ubuntu please ;-) |
| 20:23.10 | edoceo | ? |
| 20:23.23 | edoceo | I think previous admin has mixed distros? |
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| 20:24.37 | edoceo | Hmm - yes. Documented as debian, sources.list for debian but 226 ubuntu packages and 2 debian packages |
| 20:24.48 | edoceo | proceeds to ubuntu |
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| 20:25.51 | Ego86 | re |
| 20:26.20 | Ego86 | i have an ati radeon hd 3800 graphic card |
| 20:26.22 | DogWater | why does the mirroring process have to suck so bad with debian compared to just about all other distros including ubuntu? |
| 20:26.44 | Ego86 | debian lenny shows a white screen |
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| 20:27.03 | Ego86 | how can i change temporally the xorg driver to vesa |
| 20:27.04 | Ego86 | ? |
| 20:27.32 | Ego86 | i think that it'll works |
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| 20:30.16 | enouf | Ego86: make an entry into /etc/X11/xorg.conf under Configured Device ; Driver "vesa" |
| 20:30.48 | Ego86 | thx! |
| 20:30.52 | Ego86 | another question |
| 20:31.27 | Ego86 | i have a pppoe connection, but with core packages i haven't pppoeconf |
| 20:31.28 | enouf | within ; Section "Device" |
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| 20:31.57 | enouf | Ego86: install pppoeconf |
| 20:32.02 | Ego86 | from where can i donwload the necessary packages? |
| 20:32.03 | lbt | I have a qt application (ie based on a .pro file) that I'd like to package as a .deb - any pointers? I've used dpkg-buildpackage before - I'm looking for shortcuts/templates for a Qt package. |
| 20:32.20 | enouf | judd: versions pppoeconf |
| 20:32.21 | judd | enouf: pppoeconf -- etch: 1.13 lenny: 1.18 sid: 1.18 |
| 20:33.02 | enouf | lbt: try #qt or #kde related channels? |
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| 20:33.17 | lbt | enouf: they're quiet tonight... :) |
| 20:33.22 | enouf | heh |
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| 20:34.54 | Ego86 | ahh, pppoeconf has many depedences but without they i willn't internet connection |
| 20:35.29 | Ego86 | how can i install this package without internet connection? |
| 20:35.51 | Ego86 | with all depedences |
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| 20:36.49 | avtobiff | Ego86, download every dependent package as well |
| 20:37.15 | avtobiff | Ego86, isn't pppoeconf on the disk? |
| 20:37.47 | Ego86 | i'll check it out |
| 20:37.56 | avtobiff | Ego86, aptitude install pppoeconf |
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| 20:39.27 | Ego86 | oh, it is on the debian installer disk |
| 20:40.19 | Ego86 | yea, beacause i had only cd version of lenny installer for x86 |
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| 20:41.02 | Ego86 | but on this dvd more packages are and pppoeconf too :) |
| 20:41.10 | trifler | I'm trying to install tomcat5.5 and I get this "* Not starting Tomcat: no Java Development Kit found." But I've just made a install on sun-java6-jdk :S |
| 20:41.38 | Ego86 | bbl |
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| 20:42.33 | simon | why is the latest kernel I can see in apt 2.6.18; what repository do I add to get a precompiled 2.6.28? |
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| 20:42.47 | dvs | simon: kernel.org ;-) |
| 20:42.55 | enouf | simon: why do you want .28? |
| 20:43.03 | simon | enouf, as opposed to .18? |
| 20:43.05 | enouf | simon: etch has a .24 and .26 available |
| 20:43.13 | stew | simon: you should have a 2.6.24 and/or 2.6.26 available as well |
| 20:43.18 | dvs | enouf: etch has .26?!? |
| 20:43.23 | enouf | simon: /msg dpkg etchnhalf (for the .24) |
| 20:43.23 | stew | dvs: bpo does |
| 20:43.31 | enouf | dvs: yes, in bpo |
| 20:43.38 | dvs | I won't matter in a week or so I guess. ;-) |
| 20:43.42 | stew | simon: 2.6.26 is the most recent in the debian repositories becuase it is the one to be relesaed with the next version of debian |
| 20:43.52 | dvs | /I/It/ |
| 20:44.16 | enouf | simon: right .. heh, imagine a backports kernel version that is above the testing version O_o |
| 20:44.39 | simon | stew, ah |
| 20:46.01 | PeterFA | rkhunter reports some changed binaries. How do I reinstall all files that were changed? |
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| 20:46.45 | PeterFA | I want to install them and then install tripwire to ensure integrity. |
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| 20:46.59 | PeterFA | But I of course don't want to do anything until I am confident I have valid binaries. |
| 20:46.59 | DustyDingo | hm, doesn't sound good |
| 20:47.06 | DustyDingo | PeterFA: which bins? |
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| 20:48.36 | PeterFA | DustyDingo, one is nologin |
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| 20:49.48 | PeterFA | A good 20 have changed. |
| 20:49.58 | PeterFA | It could be that rkhunter wasn't updated, but you can't tell. |
| 20:50.06 | PeterFA | nologin acts like it's supposed to. |
| 20:50.14 | PeterFA | Too bad I'm not skilled with strace. |
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| 20:51.30 | enouf | PeterFA: debsums is a start |
| 20:51.55 | PeterFA | su changed. |
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| 20:51.57 | PeterFA | :( |
| 20:52.03 | PeterFA | debsums, gotcha, thanks enouf. |
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| 20:52.35 | DustyDingo | PeterFA: well, nologin and su doesn't sound very good too me ;) |
| 20:52.42 | DustyDingo | *to |
| 20:53.50 | PeterFA | debsums isn't complaining a whole lot. |
| 20:53.53 | PeterFA | Things are looking up. |
| 20:54.37 | dvs | gives PeterFA Vista! Muhahaha! |
| 20:55.00 | PeterFA | fails to respond due to waiting for Vista to draw windows and clicking through security screens. |
| 20:55.14 | dvs | heh |
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| 20:57.07 | enouf | confines PeterFA to less than even UAC for his own good :-P |
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| 20:58.13 | scientes | breaks through UAC with a script and a reboot |
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| 20:59.45 | PeterFA | scientes, you can do that? |
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| 21:00.24 | enouf | PeterFA: youtube? :-p |
| 21:00.41 | PeterFA | enouf, got a vid in mind? |
| 21:00.42 | scientes | yep |
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| 21:00.58 | PeterFA | Is it true as they said back in the day that Vista is critically insecure? |
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| 21:01.02 | scientes | and windows denied it but its true, then they finially came around and said theyll fix it |
| 21:01.07 | abrotman | wonders which channel this is |
| 21:01.07 | PeterFA | Where you have to change it architectrually to fix? |
| 21:01.14 | scientes | this is for windows 7 though |
| 21:01.38 | PeterFA | scientes, are you saying Windows 7 will have that fix but Vista will not? |
| 21:01.43 | scientes | correct |
| 21:01.59 | PeterFA | Microsoft isn't even trying any more. |
| 21:02.02 | scientes | but vista is unusable they way they basically finially come and implament unix security features |
| 21:02.04 | PeterFA | Are they? |
| 21:02.18 | abrotman | !ot |
| 21:02.18 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 21:02.39 | PeterFA | scientes, where it asks you "Can this program write this obscured text to this obscured thing in this location?" |
| 21:02.49 | PeterFA | scientes, which requires expert knowledge? That's UNIX? |
| 21:02.55 | PeterFA | Oh. |
| 21:03.09 | alsd | PeterFA: unix is user friendly! |
| 21:03.29 | alsd | it just chooses its friends carefully, that's all |
| 21:03.30 | PeterFA | alsd, I agree, but abrotman already made a claim to topicness. |
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| 21:03.48 | scientes | yeah they do do some of the policy-agent stuff |
| 21:03.51 | JyZyXEL | how can i make all my http traffic go thru another interface? |
| 21:03.51 | abrotman | you can all move over to #debian-offtopic if that's easier |
| 21:04.44 | alsd | JyZyXEL: with some iptables setup i guess |
| 21:05.28 | JyZyXEL | oh really |
| 21:05.38 | alsd | JyZyXEL: it depends on what you intend to do. what do you mean by 'http traffic' ? |
| 21:06.02 | alsd | is it for a server, or for a client? |
| 21:06.09 | JyZyXEL | for client |
| 21:07.16 | alsd | JyZyXEL: well i'm not all too confident with iptables but I guess you can do that with it ;) |
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| 21:08.53 | JyZyXEL | i think you have to use ip |
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| 21:09.59 | JyZyXEL | oh yea ip rule |
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| 21:12.08 | chrismurf | I put together a package for a library that's not in any mainstream repositories at the moment -- what's the "right place" to store the /debian/ folder (upstream? elsewhere?), and how do I start the process of getting it into the main repositories? |
| 21:12.28 | geophoenix | hello , i installed Debian Lenny RC2 and i get this error/bug when it boots >> [77.312005] BUG:soft lookup CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [ntos_wq:1423] |
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| 21:15.05 | geophoenix | its a bug , right ? |
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| 21:16.05 | valdyn | geophoenix: sure |
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| 21:16.50 | geophoenix | and what should i do ? |
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| 21:17.05 | valdyn | geophoenix: file a bug report |
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| 21:18.35 | geophoenix | where can i send the report > Linux kernel ? |
| 21:18.51 | valdyn | !reportbug |
| 21:18.52 | dpkg | i heard reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting Ask me about <report-bugs>. |
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| 21:19.06 | geophoenix | thanks |
| 21:19.08 | enouf | geophoenix: see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html |
| 21:19.13 | abrotman | if he's using a debian kernel .. |
| 21:19.13 | enouf | oh, heh |
| 21:19.58 | enouf | geophoenix: which exact DI?, and what's your installation env specifics? |
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| 21:22.45 | EugenMayer | is there a tool to minimize JS under debian? |
| 21:23.18 | enouf | geophoenix: you could try some boot params - see chapter 5 in the installation guide, and see /Documentation/kernel-paramters.txt |
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| 21:23.43 | enouf | EugenMayer: use any non-CRAPASSED browser? |
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| 21:24.09 | geophoenix | well i installed debian lenny rc2 | mobo : asus m3a | Ram : 1GB | CPU : AMD Athlon Le-1640 2.60GHz | GPU : connect3d 3450 |
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| 21:25.07 | enouf | geophoenix: ok, sounds generic enough - but which exact ISO did you use? not amd64, right? |
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| 21:25.18 | geophoenix | i386 |
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| 21:27.18 | enouf | geophoenix: er.. the DI doesn't have ndiswrapper, does it? |
| 21:27.20 | enouf | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=825985 |
| 21:27.56 | geophoenix | no it does not , i installed later |
| 21:28.40 | geophoenix | well ndiswrapper was the problem |
| 21:29.14 | geophoenix | thank you |
| 21:29.20 | enouf | geophoenix: but .. that's not an installer issue .. :-( |
| 21:29.43 | EugenMayer | enouf: no idea what iam doing, but fliming :) |
| 21:29.45 | enouf | geophoenix: i guess i misunderstood then |
| 21:29.52 | EugenMayer | *flaming. You should know better. |
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| 21:30.18 | enouf | EugenMayer: do you mean JS as in JavaShitScript? |
| 21:30.35 | simon | ribasushi, yeah, installing a real debian kernel did the trick. ;-) |
| 21:30.47 | EugenMayer | enouf: nice language. |
| 21:31.01 | enouf | EugenMayer: if so - go find the plugin/addon/extension to block it for your browser - or use one that has blocking built in |
| 21:31.24 | enouf | simon: \o. |
| 21:31.27 | enouf | er \o/ |
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| 21:31.49 | simon | enouf, hehe. |
| 21:32.13 | enouf | EugenMayer: it's just .. JS doesn't run under "Debian" nor even "GNU/Linux" .. so there's nothing to "minimize" |
| 21:32.31 | simon | just for fun, I took the vserver-kernel. anyone here have experience with running vservers on your desktop linux and then running X within a vserver client? |
| 21:32.59 | EugenMayer | enouf: done? And now stfu. Thank you polit man. |
| 21:33.00 | simon | (running vservers in a server environment is pretty straight-forward since there's no graphic head.) |
| 21:33.06 | EugenMayer | *polite |
| 21:33.18 | enouf | simon: was that a Debian xen-vserver? or just -vserver? and which Release and kernel versions? |
| 21:33.43 | enouf | EugenMayer: how about you lick my left testicle .. gently? |
| 21:33.52 | simon | enouf, it was linux-image-2.6.18-6-vserver-686. so, linux-vserver. |
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| 21:34.21 | enouf | simon: ok .. thanks - yeah , well - hrm .. ok |
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| 21:34.58 | enouf | simon: had you compiled it yourself? from debian sources? |
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| 21:36.40 | simon | enouf, nope, from sid archive. |
| 21:36.56 | enouf | simon: that kernel version doesn't come from sid |
| 21:37.08 | simon | enouf, I felt like doing this install from semi-scratch, but I just don't have the time this evening to compile a kernel. |
| 21:37.19 | jair | enouf: I has been doing some research and I have a couple of questions: the bios of the machine say to enable the bios to have the raid working. If I will be using md raid should I leave the bios like that since is a fake raid? |
| 21:37.46 | simon | enouf, sid is all I have listed in sources.list, and 2.6.18 is the latest I could find after having updated. |
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| 21:38.19 | enouf | jair: in BIOS, concerning your SATA drives, you should most likely have them set to AHCI mode if it's there, if not, you might need to enable a RAID mode instead, in order to get AHCI functionality |
| 21:38.34 | simon | enouf, http://stuff.anarcho.dk/sources.list |
| 21:38.47 | jair | right |
| 21:38.58 | enouf | jair: if you require PATA compatibilty mode, you can use that too, however, performance will be a bit less, than AHCI mode |
| 21:38.58 | jair | enouf: I do not see the option AHCI |
| 21:39.20 | jair | enouf: I think I can check the options hold on a sec |
| 21:39.21 | enouf | jair: and, are you talking about your Mobo BIOS, or the sil3114 BIOS? |
| 21:39.29 | philth | if I just change a shell in /etc/passwd to /usr/bin/passwd so that a ftp user can change their own password, can I be sure (assuming passwd is secure) that there is no way for them to get a shell? |
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| 21:39.33 | enouf | i'm talking about the Mobo jair |
| 21:39.56 | PeterFA | What's better: aide, integrit, samhain, or tripwire. |
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| 21:41.25 | chance | Is it normal for df to show quite a bit (~1%) of a freshly formatted partition as used? I'm showing 196MB used on a 281GB partition. |
| 21:41.35 | valdyn | chance: yes |
| 21:41.45 | enouf | simon: er .. your sources.list is less than optimal :-P and you likely didn't update prior to searching or did something else wrong - mayne no net? |
| 21:42.17 | valdyn | chance: you could reduce that, but theres obviously not much point |
| 21:42.45 | jair | enouf: it actually indicate that on both |
| 21:43.21 | simon | enouf, care to post your sources.list? |
| 21:43.44 | jair | enouf: ok 1) the bios on the machine. and 2. the sil3114 bios. let me get the manual really quick I am not in front of the machine anynmore :( |
| 21:45.09 | chance | valdyn: I have the shakes, accidentally borked that partition earlier today. I deleted and recreated |
| 21:45.46 | enouf | PeterFA: tripwire, snort, acid maybe - ask ##networking too ;-) |
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| 21:47.25 | enouf | simon: i don't need to - but mine are sid .. /msg dpkg sources.list (all i was saying is you have one sid line and one etch one for security, which isn't any good once you are upgraded to sid) |
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| 21:48.58 | simon | enouf, I realized that the security mirror didn't have a sid directory. it had one called testing, but I didn't know whether those were equivalent. |
| 21:49.05 | simon | ah, sheesh, I'll just run etch. |
| 21:49.11 | enouf | jair: for the sil3114 bios, try to disable any/all raid functionality it offers, load and use the sata_sil module (and/or ahci) and use what i mentioned about AHCI in the mobo BIOS, and |
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| 21:50.09 | tdomhan | when packaging software for debian, when is the folder /opt used? if you are unable to package the software according to the filesystem hierarchy standard? or may it not be used at all? |
| 21:50.11 | enouf | simon: it seems that you installed etch, added (changed it to) sid sources, and never did any updates or upgrading, or dist-upgrading |
| 21:50.33 | simon | enouf, ah, I didn't do a dist-upgrade, only a regular upgrade. |
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| 21:50.37 | enouf | simon: sid has .26 kernels |
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| 21:51.16 | enouf | simon: /msg dpkg etch->lenny ; /msg dpkg lenny release notes (you should've 1st gone to Lenny ;-)) |
| 21:51.17 | simon | enouf, does it also have security patches? |
| 21:51.28 | simon | enouf, ok. :) thanks. |
| 21:51.30 | enouf | simon: somewhat, lenny does yes |
| 21:51.35 | enouf | !security |
| 21:51.35 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 21:51.40 | simonrvn | ARG |
| 21:51.43 | enouf | !testing security |
| 21:51.44 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. Note that immediately following the release of lenny, there will be no testing security support for some time. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. |
| 21:51.52 | simonrvn | stop goddamned highlighting me |
| 21:51.58 | enouf | hahaha |
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| 21:52.16 | enouf | simonrvn: get a real irc client!! |
| 21:52.18 | simonrvn | NM |
| 21:52.19 | enouf | runs |
| 21:52.26 | simonrvn | enouf: ,.|.. |
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| 21:52.31 | enouf | :-P |
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| 21:54.12 | simon | enouf, the etch->lenny note mentions "all non-local mentions of etch or stable" -- does that imply ccTLD mirrors or something else? |
| 21:54.38 | PeterFA | enouf, what's acid maybe? |
| 21:55.02 | jair | enouf: alright here is my question. can I create linux software raids on machines that do not have any raid controller even fakeraid? |
| 21:55.18 | enouf | simon: don't worry, you have no non-local repos - just ignore that |
| 21:55.24 | simonrvn | i /dehilighted it |
| 21:55.29 | jair | enouf: because all I need is the two drives and then linux software md raid will take care of it? |
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| 21:56.07 | enouf | PeterFA: something like this http://acidlab.sourceforge.net/acid_faq.html i just stumbled upon - kind of works with snort, so i see |
| 21:56.46 | enouf | jair: a) yes, mdadm works with Linux on any drives, no specific controllers needed |
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| 21:57.02 | enouf | jair: b) yes |
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| 21:57.29 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 21:57.44 | simonrvn | enouf, PeterFA: it works well with snort, it's meant to, but you gotta patch it unless upstream did already |
| 21:57.59 | PeterFA | simonrvn, ok. |
| 21:58.02 | nootoyahora | I was iterested in knowing if two specific graphic cards work under debian, where should I ask? |
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| 21:58.24 | enouf | jair: so .. if your Mobo has SATA ports for your drives, just use your mobo sata ports, ditch the sil3114 .. the one thing about dmraid and the sil3114 card allows for is .. i think .. i raid that can be used both in Linux and in Windows booting - not sure though |
| 21:58.25 | PeterFA | I wonder if tripwire comes automatically to stick itself into dpkg so it's called automatically at the correct times. |
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| 21:59.06 | enouf | s/i raid/a raid |
| 21:59.20 | abrotman | nootoyahora: you can ask here .. and you should clarify "work" |
| 21:59.50 | alsd | PeterFA: i've been told it's possible, but a happy mess |
| 22:00.04 | nootoyahora | abrotman, I will say which two cards, which configurtion and what does it mean work |
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| 22:00.48 | enouf | nootoyahora: Xorg supplies 2D drivers for almost all video cards, and some have 3D funtionality |
| 22:01.12 | enouf | for others - there's the proprietary nvidia and fglrx drivers .. and then some |
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| 22:03.01 | enouf | when i say 3D, few have full 3D support you can get from the proprietary driver - but some do - older radeons (7000-9550 or so, or higher - through the 9800, but maybe gatos is needed for multimedia support) + some newer r5xx radeons - so i'm told |
| 22:03.13 | nootoyahora | I want to know if a radeon hd 3870 works under linux (for desktop, 2D is enough, but I would like to know if there is openGL support) and would like to know too if I have a mobo with the G45 intel chipset if I can have the onboard graphics and a discrete board two (more a hardware question I'm afraid) |
| 22:03.49 | nootoyahora | enouf, so I can have almost for sure that I could isntall x, right? |
| 22:04.00 | enouf | nootoyahora: you can ask in #radeon for specifics, but ... stick around, someone might answer you - in the meantime see /msg dpkg radeon vs radeonhd |
| 22:04.08 | abrotman | nootoyahora: the G45 should be fine .. and ask in #radeonhd for the other one |
| 22:04.38 | abrotman | nootoyahora: for the G45 .. it depends on the actual video device on the mobo |
| 22:04.45 | lbt | If I have APT::Default-Release "testing"; and do a dist-upgrade - will I get to testing? |
| 22:05.01 | enouf | abrotman: example? what do you mean? ugh :-P |
| 22:05.05 | nootoyahora | rdware?) |
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| 22:05.23 | enouf | lbt: you also need testing/lenny in sources.lst |
| 22:05.26 | nootoyahora | abrotman, uh? where can I rad about it? I have been searching the web but... |
| 22:05.28 | enouf | list |
| 22:05.33 | jair | enouf: http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5GD2%20Deluxe/e1674_p5gd2_deluxe_u.pdf |
| 22:05.39 | abrotman | nootoyahora: man intel |
| 22:05.40 | lbt | enouf: yep OK thanks |
| 22:05.42 | PeterFA | I like it tripwire would do a scan before any package changes, and then resum after, stopping installs if something goes wrong, letting you know why, and telling you you should reinstall what packages needed, and offering a chance to force the package manager to continue, ignoring errors, or just skip the trip wire stuff. |
| 22:05.47 | PeterFA | That would ruel. |
| 22:05.49 | jair | page # 86 of 150 |
| 22:05.53 | PeterFA | rule even. |
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| 22:06.02 | jair | enouf: page # 86 of 150 |
| 22:06.03 | abrotman | nootoyahora: are they already in linux machines ? |
| 22:06.25 | Nightchill | anyone have a clue why i hear so much noise in my headset while i'm on lenny boot? |
| 22:06.25 | enouf | lbt: and i hope you mean in /etc/apt/apt.conf or a /apt.conf.d/filename |
| 22:06.43 | lbt | I do :) |
| 22:06.47 | enouf | lbt: /msg dpkg dist-upgrade |
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| 22:07.12 | enouf | jair: what am i looking for? |
| 22:07.40 | jair | enouf: this is the bios option for the IDE configuration, I think here I selected standard IDE for the IDE |
| 22:07.48 | enouf | jair: perhaps you should also see http://gkernel.sourceforge.net/specs/sii/3112A_SiI-DS-0095-B2.pdf.bz2 |
| 22:07.52 | jair | enouf: but let's not worry about the IDE ones |
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| 22:08.15 | enouf | jair: right - don't worry about IDE/PATA - remember SATA is also IDE ;-) |
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| 22:08.51 | enouf | jair: what choices does SATA mode(s) offer? |
| 22:08.53 | m_dige | hi guys. Is there any way of specifying parameters for a build in kernel module ? |
| 22:09.23 | Nightchill | anyone have a clue why i hear so much noise in my headset while i'm on lenny boot? |
| 22:09.27 | m_dige | Or do I have to build it as module and pas in the parameters when modprobing the mpdule |
| 22:09.34 | jair | ok type raid and search on the pdf document you will see the page: 97 of 150 |
| 22:09.54 | enouf | m_dige: modinfo modulename - then create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/modulename and add a line; options <modulename> [your options] [more] |
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| 22:10.12 | enouf | m_dige: look at the parms lines from modinfo output |
| 22:10.14 | jair | enouf: disabled, IDE mode and RAID mode |
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| 22:10.31 | v13 | hello. anyone familiar with dh_pysupport ? |
| 22:10.37 | jair | enouf: sorry that is the ITE |
| 22:10.38 | enouf | jair: enable RAID mode there |
| 22:10.42 | enouf | oh |
| 22:10.51 | simonrvn | Nightchill: my crystal ball is broken, try again later |
| 22:10.51 | jair | enouf: that one is enabled and working |
| 22:10.59 | enouf | jair: what choices does SATA mode(s) offer? |
| 22:10.59 | jair | enouf: let's look for the other one |
| 22:11.05 | jair | enouf: one sec |
| 22:11.14 | jair | enouf: do you have the pdf open right? |
| 22:12.25 | m_dige | enouf: modinfo okay. That is also possible with build in drivers ? |
| 22:12.28 | enouf | m_dige: the other way is to yes, pass the options on the line you have <modulename> listed in /etc/modules, but that's a bit crude - now, if a module is loading from the initrd you might need to add an option as well on the kernel line .. i forget offhand now |
| 22:12.46 | enouf | m_dige: well, yes |
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| 22:13.01 | enouf | jair: no, i'm lazy - sorry ;-) |
| 22:13.11 | skumt_ | a |
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| 22:13.32 | m_dige | enouf: well it is my sound card driver so no need for initrd |
| 22:13.43 | enouf | m_dige: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L14 |
| 22:13.59 | Nightchill | simonrvn: but i see your shiteater ball is functioning quite properly |
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| 22:14.11 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 22:14.19 | enouf | ? |
| 22:14.21 | simonrvn | ooh, someone with no sense of humour |
| 22:14.43 | m_dige | enouf: thanks for the link |
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| 22:15.03 | simonrvn | takes the high road and ignores the troll |
| 22:16.30 | simon | I seem to have screwed up my apt now. e.g. installing vim says "Depends: vim-common (= 1:7.0...1etch3) but 2:7.2... is going to be installed." -- how do I revert to any debian version where apt corresponds to the software versions installed? |
| 22:16.30 | Ben_Cs | i tried to install debian but in select and install software it failed with: Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1. alt+ctrl+F4 shows some dependencies not met. WTF? doesn't it get it from the inet? |
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| 22:16.30 | jair | enouf: it's ok |
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| 22:17.14 | jair | enouf: I am just trying to understand if I should worry about the bios settings or the sata sii3114 settings |
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| 22:17.27 | abrotman | Ben_Cs: which installer? |
| 22:17.29 | enouf | m_dige: welcome - so say you have CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y (rather than =m like in debian kernels) you'd add to your kernel line; loop.max_loop=256 (to alter from standard 8, to 256 loop devices) |
| 22:17.40 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: installgui |
| 22:17.51 | abrotman | Ben_Cs: which installer? |
| 22:17.52 | jair | enouf: alright here is how I have it configured: 1) bios of computer is set up sata disks to raid mode and the sata bios sii3114 is configured to sata raid |
| 22:17.54 | enouf | jair: both |
| 22:18.12 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: actually i had it with ubuntu alternate cd installer, and that's why i tried debian instead |
| 22:18.18 | enouf | jair: wait, why are you using the sil3114 at all for? |
| 22:18.26 | abrotman | Ben_Cs: so which installer are you using? |
| 22:18.42 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: gui installer |
| 22:18.50 | v13 | jair: what is your sil problem ? |
| 22:18.50 | abrotman | which version |
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| 22:19.03 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: just said i had this problem with ubuntu aswell. |
| 22:19.12 | abrotman | i know nothing about ubuntu |
| 22:19.13 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: lenny RC2 |
| 22:19.27 | abrotman | was your network configured during the install ? |
| 22:19.35 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: yes |
| 22:19.59 | abrotman | did you use tasksel? or just do a basic install ? |
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| 22:20.10 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: you think the connection dropped during the install? |
| 22:21.11 | chomwitt | hi. do i have to install smtp server to use reportbug? |
| 22:21.12 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: tasksel said it failed. so i guess tasksel |
| 22:21.12 | m_dige | enouf: Thank you - i got the idea now. But actually I just decided to build as a module. |
| 22:21.12 | enouf | chomwitt: an MTA, yeah |
| 22:21.12 | abrotman | chomwitt: unless you've done something dumb, you already have one |
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| 22:21.12 | abrotman | Ben_Cs: tried it without using tasksel ? |
| 22:21.12 | enouf | unless you want to do ti through webmail i guess |
| 22:21.13 | enouf | m_dige: ok ;-) |
| 22:21.13 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: how can i do that? |
| 22:21.16 | v13 | abrotman unless he has done something special, he cannot use it (AFAIK) |
| 22:21.25 | enouf | m_dige: /etc/modprobe.d/ dir is your friend |
| 22:21.35 | abrotman | Ben_Cs: just don't use tasksel .. just don't check anything and then hit go |
| 22:21.38 | abrotman | v13: what? |
| 22:21.46 | r0b | Anyone know how to correct a Device communication error 5012 inside of the hp-toolbox with hplip installed? I dont get this error when running hp-toolbox as root. |
| 22:21.50 | enouf | m_dige: make sure no /etc/modules.conf, nor /modprobe.conf exists |
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| 22:21.55 | jair | v13: enouf remember that there is a bios for the raid |
| 22:22.06 | enouf | jair: i know - so what? |
| 22:22.07 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: maybe the connection did drop during install. i remember that on my other pc, the connection dropped all the time on linux till i changed to a 3com net card. |
| 22:22.12 | jair | v13: enouf I do not need to even set up that bios ? |
| 22:22.13 | enouf | jair: you're not using it! |
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| 22:22.23 | jair | enouf: I know |
| 22:22.25 | enouf | jair: you don't even need the CARD! |
| 22:22.29 | abrotman | Ben_Cs: so jsut skip the tasksel .. get the basic system going .. then finish the install later |
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| 22:22.40 | v13 | abrotman: if he uses his own mta he may get relaying denied |
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| 22:22.51 | jair | enouf: thank you for making me understand, that is what I want to know. |
| 22:22.53 | abrotman | v13: he asked if he needed to install one .. not configure it |
| 22:22.55 | enouf | jair: if your mobo has 2 available sata ports for your drives - which i think you've been saying it has |
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| 22:22.59 | v13 | jair: sorry.. i just joined, what is your sil problem ? |
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| 22:23.19 | PeterFA | How do I reinstall everything, even fetching fresh copies of all debs? |
| 22:23.29 | abrotman | !tell PeterFA about reinstall |
| 22:23.35 | v13 | abrotman: he asked about reportbug |
| 22:23.43 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: i see. the thing is that when tasksel failed i tried to choose continue next step - grub install and it failed too (maybe it still was trying to tasksel?) |
| 22:23.43 | jair | enouf v13 it looks like the sil3114 is a fake raid card so I do not need it. I will not enable that bios. but I will enable raid mode on the bios of the machine asus mobo |
| 22:23.49 | abrotman | v13: i'm aware of what he asked .. and i answered him correctly |
| 22:23.58 | enouf | v13: shhh .. i just got done walking him through changing from sil3114 fakeraid into mdadm .. leave him be! :-0 |
| 22:24.03 | abrotman | Ben_Cs: maybe grub didn't get installed ? |
| 22:24.03 | v13 | abrotman: ok. whatever. |
| 22:24.26 | v13 | jair: i believe there is a raid and a sata/ahci settings in bios? (and a disbled) |
| 22:24.29 | PeterFA | Thanks. |
| 22:24.34 | enouf | jair: do you NEED the sil3114 to have available SATA ports for your drives? |
| 22:24.39 | v13 | enouf :-P |
| 22:24.44 | PeterFA | This is in case I need to clobber any rootkits. |
| 22:25.01 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: it didn't get installed. i tried to, but it failed |
| 22:25.15 | abrotman | Ben_Cs: try it without plugging in your network card |
| 22:25.16 | enouf | dammit - don't make me open the f'ken PDF! |
| 22:25.24 | jair | v13: well I think that is enabled because I can see the setup for the two drives |
| 22:25.41 | v13 | jair just switch it to sata/ahci instead of raid to be extra sure... |
| 22:26.06 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: if i don't mark anything to be installed except the basic system, will it still try to connect to net? |
| 22:26.14 | jair | v13: http://paste.debian.net/27980/ |
| 22:26.21 | v13 | jair: but it may not has any effect at all in your configuration. I believe it only does something when booting from a drive in it |
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| 22:26.26 | abrotman | Ben_Cs: when it tries to configure it, yes .. that's why i'm saying to try without the cable plugged in at all |
| 22:26.45 | v13 | jair: ok.. so what's the problem ? |
| 22:27.08 | Ben_Cs | abrotman: ok. will try. thanks. bye for now |
| 22:27.11 | enouf | how about i get an answer? |
| 22:27.23 | jair | v13: can you see the paste, the first drive is an IDE 160GB configure on raid 1 with a (real) IDE raid controller because all I can see is one drive. |
| 22:27.41 | jair | enouf: ?? |
| 22:27.46 | enouf | jair: !! |
| 22:27.56 | jair | enouf: no I don't think so |
| 22:27.57 | enouf | [17:23:54] <enouf> jair: do you NEED the sil3114 to have available SATA ports for your drives? |
| 22:27.59 | v13 | enouf: he wants to use the sil for h/w raid ? |
| 22:28.04 | enouf | v13: no! |
| 22:28.11 | jair | enouf: I think I can just not configure the raid there |
| 22:28.15 | enouf | v13: it's fakeraid! |
| 22:28.19 | jair | right |
| 22:28.25 | v13 | enouf i know :) |
| 22:28.30 | jair | I can just leave it on regular sata mode |
| 22:28.32 | v13 | enouf: my previous m/b had one :) |
| 22:28.34 | enouf | jair: how many sata ports are on your mobo? |
| 22:28.43 | enouf | jair: how many sata ports are OCCUPIED RIGHT NOW on your mobo? |
| 22:28.53 | enouf | oh crap |
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| 22:29.07 | enouf | jair: your sil3114 is NOT an Addin card? wtf! |
| 22:29.16 | v13 | enouf it is an on-board chip |
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| 22:29.24 | v13 | with a kind of s/w raid... |
| 22:29.25 | enouf | starts drinkin ... heavily |
| 22:29.29 | enouf | oh ffs! |
| 22:29.35 | enouf | is outta here |
| 22:29.45 | jair | enouf: calm down |
| 22:29.56 | enouf | jair: i'm not blaming you ... |
| 22:29.59 | jair | enouf: http://support.asus.com/technicaldocuments/Sil3114.pdf page 8 of 30 |
| 22:30.01 | v13 | but it seems pretty good... if i remember correctly it is more than other fake-raid controllers |
| 22:30.10 | enouf | jair: i was an ass, i ass u m e d |
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| 22:30.26 | jair | enouf: you have been very patient my friend |
| 22:30.40 | jair | v13: http://support.asus.com/technicaldocuments/Sil3114.pdf page 8 of 30 |
| 22:30.42 | jair | enouf: http://support.asus.com/technicaldocuments/Sil3114.pdf page 8 of 30 |
| 22:30.47 | jair | check that please |
| 22:31.08 | jair | that is the raid bios for the sii3114. I do not do anything there right! |
| 22:31.08 | v13 | jair: please tell me too... what is your exact problem ? |
| 22:31.13 | enouf | jair: i'll let vlt take over - he seems to have messed with those already, and i'm a bit tired |
| 22:31.18 | v13 | jair: you want to use the controller for raid ? |
| 22:31.27 | jair | enouf: that is ok |
| 22:31.44 | abrotman | thinks enouf is taking the smart road |
| 22:31.44 | jair | enouf: thank you if you see something crazy you are welcome to jump in and stop me :) |
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| 22:31.59 | enouf | jair: aye - no prob |
| 22:32.09 | enouf | !rare |
| 22:32.13 | enouf | heh |
| 22:32.15 | jair | v13: here is the situation |
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| 22:32.44 | jair | v13: this is a mobo asus it suppouse to have raid (hardware) for both IDE and SATA |
| 22:33.15 | jair | v13: I am using the first raid using a controller http://paste.debian.net/27956 |
| 22:34.05 | jair | v13: can you see the two controllers? it looks like the first one is real the second one is fake raid |
| 22:34.05 | abrotman | no way that's hardware |
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| 22:34.05 | r0b | Anyone know how to correct a Device communication error 5012 inside of the hp-toolbox with hplip installed? I dont get this error when running hp-toolbox as root. |
| 22:34.05 | FreakGuard | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 22:34.05 | v13 | jair not exactly |
| 22:34.05 | jair | ???? |
| 22:34.09 | abrotman | update-pciids might hel give a little more info |
| 22:34.10 | v13 | jair: it may be that the driver of the first does its RAID part while the driver of the second doesn't |
| 22:34.15 | v13 | both are s/w raid AFAIK |
| 22:34.26 | jair | abrotman: I have pciids enabled |
| 22:34.36 | abrotman | jair: no .. update-pciids is a program .. try running it |
| 22:34.39 | v13 | I'd an asys m/b like that with an ide raid and a sil3112 (if i remember correctly) |
| 22:34.54 | jair | abrotman: I did run that I am telling you |
| 22:35.23 | abrotman | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#ite |
| 22:35.34 | jair | abrotman: let me check |
| 22:35.37 | v13 | jair look at your dmesg. if it says something about raid mode when detecting the ide controller |
| 22:35.55 | abrotman | tells you that ITE controller driver has been busted for a long time |
| 22:36.00 | abrotman | and the SIL3114 is not real raid |
| 22:36.07 | enouf | threw out that link some 8 hours ago .. sigh .. follow the other urls and you see a 2.6.4 version kernel |
| 22:36.11 | enouf | sigh |
| 22:36.47 | abrotman | thought enouf was going to go out :) |
| 22:37.18 | enouf | abrotman: it's normal for lines 2 and 18 in the recent pastebin say Unknown .. that's for subvendor info which many never bother filling in |
| 22:37.23 | enouf | heh |
| 22:37.40 | jair | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/27981/ after installing the update-pciids |
| 22:37.44 | enouf | abrotman: participant != avid sideline watcher! |
| 22:38.01 | jair | v13: let me check |
| 22:38.05 | abrotman | tell that to the armchair quarterbacks |
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| 22:38.14 | aklt | Hello |
| 22:39.11 | jair | v13: let me run the command and check |
| 22:39.13 | enouf | jair: how many ports does that controller allow? 4? if so; looks like 2 are Sata/RAID capable |
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| 22:39.29 | enouf | jair: the 01:05.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid |
| 22:39.44 | abrotman | but the driver is broken? |
| 22:39.49 | PeterFA | I gots changed files. |
| 22:39.51 | PeterFA | Yay! |
| 22:39.56 | PeterFA | debsums found it. |
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| 22:40.04 | enouf | er, have i been using vlt when i meant v13 ? sorry |
| 22:40.05 | jair | v13: http://paste.debian.net/27982/ |
| 22:40.24 | aklt | I have a problem with libxml2 I think: while compiling flourish-player with swfmill I get a core dump. Does anyone have experience with this? |
| 22:40.27 | jair | enouf: yes hahaha |
| 22:40.41 | jair | enouf: the mobo have four ports for raid |
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| 22:40.51 | v13 | no-way.. |
| 22:40.57 | jair | no way? |
| 22:40.57 | v13 | that's the piix controller.. |
| 22:40.59 | v13 | not the ite |
| 22:41.00 | enouf | carefully scurries off without anyone noticing |
| 22:41.06 | jair | hahaha |
| 22:41.07 | v13 | hm.. sry.. it is |
| 22:41.16 | jair | ?? |
| 22:41.26 | jair | alright you saw the command I ran |
| 22:41.34 | v13 | paste the whole dmesgh |
| 22:41.35 | v13 | dmesg |
| 22:41.46 | jair | v13: I can see the IDE controller but not the sata sii314 |
| 22:41.51 | jair | ok |
| 22:41.53 | v13 | there should be a /sys entry too |
| 22:41.53 | jair | one sec |
| 22:42.01 | abrotman | less enter key! |
| 22:42.02 | jair | v13: I will do it now |
| 22:42.24 | jair | abrotman: I am sorry i will try to type everything in one sentence |
| 22:42.36 | v13 | abrotman: you're right... sry... |
| 22:43.17 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
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| 22:43.26 | Ace2016_- | does /var/tmp get cleared on boot like /tmp? |
| 22:43.29 | aklt | At one time I installed 64studio, and now I have some dependencies still hanging around fromthat. How can I remove it? |
| 22:43.33 | enouf | jair: there's a IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller which is for your PATA drives, and a SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) which is for your SATA drives - you have 4 mobo sata ports? |
| 22:43.36 | Zvpun | how can I find out what IP addresses are in use in my network (192.168.0.0)? |
| 22:43.39 | stew | Ace2016_-: no, by definition |
| 22:43.49 | abrotman | Zvpun: ifconfig |
| 22:43.52 | abrotman | oh .. whoops |
| 22:43.58 | abrotman | Zvpun: ignore that |
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| 22:44.16 | Ace2016_- | stew: great thanks |
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| 22:44.41 | v13 | enouf: i believe there are 8 sata ports. 4 on sil and 4 from the intel ich chipset |
| 22:44.45 | simon | Zvpun, nmap -sP 192.168.0.0/16 (or /24, depending on your undernet mask) |
| 22:44.56 | abrotman | Zvpun: if all the hosts respond to ping .. you could try to ping the broadcast perhaps |
| 22:44.58 | simon | Zvpun, or better yet: cat dhcp.leases on your openwrt router :) |
| 22:45.04 | enouf | v13: if that's the case, use the Intel sata ports with mdadm! ;-) |
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| 22:45.16 | enouf | v13: and in AHCI mode ;-) |
| 22:45.27 | Zvpun | I think some dont answer broadcast, and i have no openwrt router |
| 22:45.28 | v13 | enouf: 1st he can use the sil ports too, if he sets the in SATA mode.. |
| 22:45.40 | v13 | enouf: BUT the intel ports are better. They support NCQ :-) |
| 22:45.51 | Zvpun | I read about the guy on bash.org http://www.bash.org/?5273 |
| 22:45.57 | Zvpun | so I want to check ... |
| 22:46.14 | v13 | hahahahaha |
| 22:46.57 | jair | v13: http://paste.debian.net/27983/ the whole dmesg |
| 22:47.01 | Zvpun | simon: is /8 like 192.168.0.255? (I assume 16 is 16 bits) |
| 22:47.35 | simon | Zvpun, read up on CIDR notation. you probably want /24. |
| 22:47.52 | simon | Zvpun, 192.168.0.0/24 means from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.254 |
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| 22:48.13 | v13 | [ 2.188206] hda: Integrated Technology Express Inc, ATA DISK drive |
| 22:48.14 | v13 | [ 2.524051] hda: IT8212 RAID 1 volume. |
| 22:48.24 | v13 | see? the controllers supports the s/w raid... |
| 22:48.26 | Zvpun | simon: alright got it, thanks |
| 22:48.28 | v13 | the sil controller doesn't |
| 22:48.34 | jair | v13: ohhhhh |
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| 22:48.59 | v13 | i mean the driver |
| 22:49.12 | jair | v13: so then ?? does this mean that I need to disable the bios sata raid and do it with mdraid? |
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| 22:49.35 | enouf | say mdadm, not mdraid |
| 22:49.50 | enouf | cause people might think you meant dmraid |
| 22:50.30 | enouf | i have no idea if the sil3114 even falls under the dmraid category of Silicon Image Medley |
| 22:51.27 | v13 | jair... fwiw... while you have still time.. get rid of any h/w or fake-h/w raid you have and use mdadm and lvm |
| 22:51.44 | v13 | if you motherboard dies you loose your data with this @#$(&$)*% raid |
| 22:52.00 | v13 | hm.. don't know with raid 1 for sure.. perhaps it will still work... |
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| 22:52.25 | jair | v13 |
| 22:53.16 | ekke | anyone know whats wrong i get black scrren when x starts to load when i have my ati tv out cable connected ? it worked yesterday |
| 22:53.23 | jair | and enouf ok so I just want to be very sure here. let me send you the link of the mobo so you can see the information of the PATA and SATA on it. |
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| 22:55.35 | enouf | jair: i was suggesting against even dmraid, and for mdadm, which as i said, can be used on any mobo and any controllers, ide/sata/scsi/sas even |
| 22:55.46 | v13 | +1 |
| 22:55.48 | jair | v13 abrotman enouf http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=23&l4=0&model=158&modelmenu=1 |
| 22:56.16 | enouf | jair: the ahci and ncq stuff is all pertaining to sata modes/disks, nothing to do with any RAID, per se |
| 22:56.26 | v13 | jair: that was my previous m/b |
| 22:56.28 | v13 | use mdadm |
| 22:56.35 | jair | enouf: I agree with you if I knew that those raids are fake I will go with something that will really work |
| 22:57.07 | enouf | jair: it's a safer option as well, should a controller or disk go tits up |
| 22:57.35 | jair | ok so 1. I will be using mdadm 2. what do I need to disable on the bios of the computer and the bios of the two raid controllers? |
| 22:58.26 | jair | enouf v13 If I disable the two raids I will have a mobo with four drives two ide = 160GB each and two sata = 640GB |
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| 22:59.06 | enouf | jair: i'd say, try to plug in your two sata drives into the ICH controller, disable the sil3114, and keep the other one, as is (no idea what soft/fake/raid that thing is using) |
| 22:59.18 | jair | enouf v13 is there a documentation on how to set up this type of mdadm? also I know I will need to create some space for the boot partition. |
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| 22:59.35 | v13 | enouf if he disables the raid mode from bios it will be OK.. I've used them for a long time |
| 22:59.48 | v13 | jair: in short: yes |
| 22:59.52 | jair | great |
| 22:59.53 | v13 | jair: longer: A LOT! |
| 22:59.54 | enouf | jair: indeed - see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/ and the relevant manpages |
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| 23:01.35 | kingsley | How do you tell which hardware driver alsa is using for your sound card? |
| 23:02.04 | jair | enouf v13 ok I will check that, also if I am planning on putting the linux on the two patas and use the satas for storage how can I do this just create: 1. raid 1 (1) mdadm 100MB for boot 2. rest of the patas for linux raid 1(2) 3. raid 1 (3) for the satas. |
| 23:02.15 | PeterFA | Well, I'm glad I use ugly passwords on principle now. |
| 23:02.20 | PeterFA | I use passwords like... |
| 23:02.29 | PeterFA | ; |
| 23:02.29 | PeterFA | ~ |
| 23:02.29 | PeterFA | _ |
| 23:02.29 | PeterFA | . |
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| 23:02.40 | PeterFA | = |
| 23:02.44 | PeterFA | ' |
| 23:02.46 | PeterFA | ` |
| 23:02.46 | abrotman | PeterFA: STOP |
| 23:02.48 | PeterFA | # |
| 23:02.48 | enouf | v13: the ONLY reason i mentioned anything called RAID in the Mobo BIOS had to do with the SATA drive operational modes - i just found out he has sata ports avail through ICH, and prior, i was saying how some consumer boards and intel chipsets only offer [RAID, Standard IDE, Compatibility] modes, and no AHCI choice - but on those when [RAID] mode is chosen, AHCI is then enabled |
| 23:02.50 | PeterFA | ; |
| 23:02.52 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 23:02.52 | PeterFA | ; |
| 23:02.54 | PeterFA | * |
| 23:02.55 | themill | PeterFA: enough! |
| 23:02.56 | PeterFA | / |
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| 23:03.22 | Hoxzer | kingsley: lsmod | grep snd shows alsa modules |
| 23:03.28 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@unaffiliated/peterfa] by abrotman |
| 23:03.32 | enouf | i think he just messed up accidentally . . but so be it, it needed to stop |
| 23:03.50 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 23:04.01 | v13 | enouf.. ah.. never seen that but it sounds reasonable :) |
| 23:04.07 | PeterFA | 20 chars, sorry bout that. |
| 23:04.08 | jair | enouf: so should I leave that raid mode or what? I am confuse again :( |
| 23:04.36 | jair | v13 enouf did you guys checked the page I sent http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=23&l4=0&model=158&modelmenu=1 |
| 23:04.44 | enouf | v13: especially the g33 chipsets and such - even ich7-9 if they are not R models, or someshit |
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| 23:05.52 | enouf | v13: pick it up .. you're slackin here :-P |
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| 23:06.33 | jair | alright so what should I do my god!!!! |
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| 23:06.51 | v13 | enouf: eh? sry.. i didn't understand that... (english is not my first language) |
| 23:07.04 | jair | there are so many options here :( but none of them look 100% accurate |
| 23:07.14 | v13 | jair migrate to mdadm and lvm |
| 23:07.20 | jair | v13: I know that |
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| 23:08.37 | jair | v13: did you check the site I sent you please can you check it because it is hard for me to trust if you are telling me the right thing to do...:-( I am trying to understand how should I configure the mobo bios, pata bios and sata bios |
| 23:08.39 | enouf | jair: relax .. i see now .. your mobo has a shitTONload of windblows choices, non good for Linux - the Intel Matrix Crap is their raid10 mode,. and can likely only be done when used IN COMBINATION WITH the sil3114 |
| 23:09.27 | jair | is relax and listening hoping the guys check the mobo specs. |
| 23:09.29 | enouf | jair: just forget all that nonsense, use the Intel ICH ports that are NOT sil3114 dependent, and use mdadm .. as far as your IDE raid? no comment, since if it works, leave it alonme |
| 23:09.39 | enouf | i have |
| 23:09.58 | v13 | enouf no. the 4 intel ports suport the matrix thing. and the 4 sil ports do the sil raid. |
| 23:10.14 | v13 | i believe that the only reason to use the sil ports is for raid5 (if i remember correctly) |
| 23:10.51 | v13 | yes... that's what the site says too |
| 23:10.56 | enouf | v13: well, i recall the matrix 10 shit being incorporated into a SIL chip, not the 3114 though , so maybe that mobo is a bit older |
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| 23:11.02 | v13 | for raid1 it is better to use the ich. |
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| 23:11.34 | jair | v13 enouf hahahahhaa I am about to cry hahahaha.... come on guys there is the link it shows everything on the mobo, and yes there are four connectors sata for sii3114, four more for the intel built in and two IDE connectors |
| 23:11.40 | v13 | enouf i'm not 100% sure since i've not tested this... but i believe you can have the sil disabled and the ich in raid1 |
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| 23:11.46 | PeterFA | I'm curios to how data gets from the hardware node to the hardware itself... I mean, the node somehow knows what driver it needs, so who sets that up? I can probe a module and then I get a node if I had the hardware, so somehow the module recognizes this. |
| 23:11.49 | enouf | ahh the Sil 4723 |
| 23:11.54 | PeterFA | It recognizes that I have the hardware. |
| 23:12.04 | PeterFA | Then it apparently goes ahead and instructs the sytem to make a node. |
| 23:12.13 | jair | enouf v13 yes the mobo is 2005 or 2004 |
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| 23:12.17 | PeterFA | All I have to go on are major and minor number.s |
| 23:12.22 | v13 | jair: older.. |
| 23:12.28 | v13 | 2004 |
| 23:12.31 | tziku | what is the default login information for MyPHPMoney ???? User and password. |
| 23:12.36 | v13 | i'd got it in 2003-2004 christmas... |
| 23:12.40 | enouf | v13: like this; "(supports RAID 10 by combining iCH7R drives with Sil4723 drives)" |
| 23:12.41 | PeterFA | Which is really just to say, "What kind of data is this?" |
| 23:12.50 | enouf | http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2797 |
| 23:12.59 | v13 | or it was 2005... hmm... |
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| 23:13.15 | jair | ok I will wait until you make up your mind |
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| 23:13.23 | enouf | PeterFA: udev magic |
| 23:13.33 | enouf | PeterFA: just let it do it's thing |
| 23:13.34 | v13 | hm.. |
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| 23:13.54 | paulfitzpatrick | is apache2-mpm-worker bugfree on debian now? |
| 23:13.54 | PeterFA | enouf, what if it doesn't work? |
| 23:14.07 | abrotman | paulfitzpatrick: bugs.debian.org might help you |
| 23:14.17 | enouf | PeterFA: depends why it doesn't work |
| 23:14.21 | enouf | something you did? |
| 23:14.46 | PeterFA | enouf, not at the moment do I have a problem. I'm just curios. |
| 23:14.48 | jair | so the way how the first PATA drives are configured may not work, may not be reliable. So I should destroy everything and start over |
| 23:14.53 | enouf | PeterFA: /sbin/MAKEDEV might help - but you need to be specific |
| 23:15.41 | enouf | jair: i'd say, if the IDE drives mode doesn't interfere with you setting up your mdadm SATA, then leave it alone for now |
| 23:18.20 | enouf | PeterFA: the kernel has a database built in - all major/minors -- udev has a static database it draws from |
| 23:18.33 | jair | enouf: but if a drive faild on the IT/ITE8212 then i will loose the OS |
| 23:18.35 | enouf | PeterFA: see /Documentation/devices.txt |
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| 23:18.49 | enouf | jair: are you not installing an OS on the sata drives? |
| 23:19.04 | PeterFA | enouf, so they're all predefined... the minor numbers refer to the specific driver and the major refers to class of data the driver belongs to? |
| 23:19.09 | jair | enouf: what I am trying to do is minimize the downtime for this server, besides the backup I will be configuring |
| 23:19.26 | jair | enouf: nope I have the OS installed on the PATA |
| 23:19.42 | enouf | PeterFA: no, the major is the class, the minor, the ordered numbers, etc .. kind of thing, man mknod or something ffs |
| 23:19.55 | PeterFA | enouf, oh. |
| 23:20.18 | PeterFA | enouf, like cdrom1 where 1 is the minor? |
| 23:20.34 | enouf | PeterFA: no, that has nothing to do with major/minor |
| 23:20.37 | enouf | AFAICT |
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| 23:20.39 | jair | enouf: so you are saying that I should leave the PATA the way it is because it looks like is working and will have redundancy? |
| 23:20.50 | enouf | PeterFA: /dev/cdrom0 and /dev/cdrom1 you mean? |
| 23:20.54 | PeterFA | enouf, then what is an ordered number? |
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| 23:21.00 | PeterFA | enouf, yeah. |
| 23:21.01 | enouf | er /media/ ... or whatever |
| 23:21.18 | PeterFA | enouf, /media is for mounted stuff. |
| 23:21.24 | PeterFA | enouf, I'm not talking about that. |
| 23:21.32 | PeterFA | enouf, /dev/cdrom1. |
| 23:22.19 | chomwitt | abrotman: sorry if too newbie , but if a have a simple email account cant i use reportbug ? I dont get it why a mail server is needed. |
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| 23:22.45 | abrotman | chomwitt: you don't have ot use reportbug at all |
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| 23:24.30 | enouf | PeterFA: ~$ cat /sys/block/hd[abcd]/dev |
| 23:24.46 | PeterFA | How do I match just "at" in apt-file search? |
| 23:24.58 | PeterFA | I don't what atp atyadda either. |
| 23:25.04 | PeterFA | want* |
| 23:25.27 | chomwitt | abrotman: how should i report a bug? i dont see a web interface and compiling an email it seems more difficult(many details to fill in) |
| 23:25.32 | themill | !wayttd PeterFA |
| 23:25.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, PeterFA? |
| 23:25.37 | enouf | PeterFA: those are the major/minors .. the /dev/names are a kernel+udev thing - like a default kernel numbering - NOW .. note; /etc/udev/rules.d/cd-writing.rules |
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| 23:25.41 | enouf | or whatever it's called |
| 23:25.50 | abrotman | chomwitt: compiling? wtf .. just install one .. |
| 23:26.04 | abrotman | chomwitt: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 23:26.06 | pl4yer0ne | morning all |
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| 23:26.13 | enouf | PeterFA: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules |
| 23:26.19 | enouf | for example |
| 23:26.24 | enouf | read the contents |
| 23:26.31 | PeterFA | themill, I'm doing two things at once. One is just learning about how devices are made and work with modules, and how the correct ones find their way around the system, yadda yadda, and I'm working on trying to reinstall all binaries which are sketchy. |
| 23:27.01 | enouf | PeterFA: see things like this? |
| 23:27.02 | enouf | # LITE-ON_LTR-32123S (pci-0000:00:07.1-ide-0:1) --> /dev/hdb |
| 23:27.02 | enouf | ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:07.1-ide-0:1", SYMLINK+="cdrom1", ENV{GENERATED}="1" |
| 23:27.03 | themill | PeterFA: "binaries which are sketchy"? sounds like you want to /msg dpkg debsums |
| 23:27.11 | enouf | see the symlink+= ? |
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| 23:28.05 | PeterFA | themill, I'm going off of the output of debsums right now. |
| 23:28.14 | PeterFA | themill, I found some binaries which don't check out like at. |
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| 23:28.36 | PeterFA | enouf, I don't even know what I'm looking at. |
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| 23:29.35 | themill | PeterFA: you know it's usr/bin/at, so apt-file search usr/bin/at and it will find it. |
| 23:29.52 | enouf | PeterFA: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/hda (say it's a cdrom) will show you many/all lines starting with a "S" .. which means a SYMLINK+= for it exists, the true path to /dev/name is the /sys/block line name |
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| 23:30.19 | PeterFA | themill, it matches atari2600 and a bunch of others. I just want to match just the exact match. |
| 23:30.22 | enouf | PeterFA: P: /block/hda |
| 23:30.52 | enouf | P == PATH .. so /dev/path the S == Symlinks that exist -- the E == environment IINM |
| 23:30.56 | PeterFA | enouf, wait... so /dev/* is really just a symlink to some stuff in /sys? |
| 23:31.02 | enouf | yes |
| 23:31.07 | enouf | ls -l it ffs! |
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| 23:31.30 | enouf | well, no, not a symlink to stuff in /sys, but symlink back to the P == entry |
| 23:31.32 | chomwitt | abrotman: ok. thanks |
| 23:31.34 | freedom | Hi -- I've lost the password for one of the accounts on my server (I have root access also), how can I retrieve the password for a non-root account? |
| 23:31.38 | freedom | Or change it? |
| 23:31.43 | PeterFA | enouf, ok, so let's say I modprobe a module and there's the corrosponding hardware, what happens to sys? |
| 23:31.45 | abrotman | passwd <user> |
| 23:31.50 | freedom | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 23:32.20 | themill | PeterFA: man apt-file: apt-file search -x usr/bin/at$ |
| 23:32.23 | enouf | PeterFA: so when you do ; ~$ cat /sys/block/ [tab][tab] you don;t see any cdromX names |
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| 23:32.59 | enouf | PeterFA: /sys is ... a view of kernel objects .. is best i can explain it |
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| 23:33.36 | PeterFA | themill, is the $ important? This must be regex. |
| 23:33.50 | themill | PeterFA: man apt-file ... |
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| 23:34.25 | enouf | PeterFA: you modprobe a module, udev kicks in, as i said, it's magic, likely makes the kernel parse the hardware for Device/VendorID, looks that up in it's internal database, sets up a /dev/name on a /tmpfs, loads the correct modules .. and VoilA! |
| 23:34.37 | enouf | bah |
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| 23:34.40 | Zvpun | I am disturbed about that I am root on a server-guy that doesnt know passwd. I hope he is not hosting something big. |
| 23:34.54 | mnguyen | Hi folks, does anybody here know why aterm, eterm, and rxvt won't obey my .Xdefaults? I set them up, but none of them will obey the settings I've defined in .Xdefaults |
| 23:35.27 | abrotman | does xterm ? |
| 23:35.36 | mnguyen | abrotman: nope |
| 23:36.03 | PeterFA | enouf, and I guess I'll have to really tackle this to understand what's going on. |
| 23:36.14 | PeterFA | enouf, it's not as simple as I thought. |
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| 23:36.16 | abrotman | mnguyen: bad perms ? |
| 23:36.32 | mnguyen | abrotman: but yours are obeyed right? I just want to make sure i"m not the only one |
| 23:36.34 | enouf | PeterFA: all i can say, is a good many things happen in /sys when you add a piece of hardware and a module gets loaded for it |
| 23:36.54 | abrotman | mnguyen: apparently i don't have one :) |
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| 23:37.26 | PeterFA | enouf, and we haven't even gotten into hal and friends, with USB and crap :) |
| 23:37.40 | enouf | PeterFA: don't even start me on hal |
| 23:37.50 | enouf | PeterFA: now, have you thought about reading http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/sysfs-rules.txt |
| 23:38.04 | enouf | and the 3 /sys* docs in /filesystems? |
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| 23:38.43 | PeterFA | enouf, not at the moment. I'm way to busy trying to make a reinstall command for files which can't prove their integrity via debsums. |
| 23:38.44 | enouf | PeterFA: and note;, the tmpfs crap i mentioned might might only pertain to the procbususbfs stuff |
| 23:39.38 | enouf | er, procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) that stuff |
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| 23:41.59 | enouf | PeterFA: "sysfs is a ram-based filesystem initially based on ramfs. It provides a means to export kernel data structures, their attributes, and the linkages between them to userspace. sysfs is tied inherently to the kobject infrastructure. Please read Documentation/kobject.txt for more information concerning the kobject interface" |
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| 23:42.49 | enouf | forget the one file in /filesystems/ that's sysv-* .. that's unrelated to sysfs |
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| 23:43.24 | PeterFA | enouf, it was made so because Linus had an idea, and it become initramfs. |
| 23:43.32 | enouf | ... |
| 23:43.38 | enouf | !lart PeterFA |
| 23:43.39 | dpkg | decapitates PeterFA conan the destroyer style |
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| 23:45.49 | mnguyen | I want to share an application, should I put it in /usr/local/share or /opt? |
| 23:46.15 | mnguyen | euur /usr/local or /opt? |
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| 23:46.26 | enouf | PeterFA: i'm pretty sure HAL is there for really only D-BUS communcations with/from/to your DE and the hardware it wants to automount, etc .. and such |
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| 23:47.00 | Zvpun | mnguyen: why dont you read on howto create your own debian package? |
| 23:47.16 | enouf | PeterFA: lshal is basically built from / read from / assembled from the /sysfs stuffs |
| 23:47.32 | enouf | but that's just an educated guess ... so |
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| 23:47.53 | mnguyen | Zvpun: heh... because it's eclipse and it's one extra step vs a "mv" |
| 23:47.57 | mnguyen | :) |
| 23:48.27 | abrotman | eclipse is in debian |
| 23:48.36 | abrotman | !tell mnguyen about stow |
| 23:48.38 | mnguyen | abrotman: yeah but it's out of date... and i need the latest version |
| 23:48.39 | abrotman | !tell mnguyen about checkinstall |
| 23:48.59 | themill | enouf: it looks like udev is going to subsume hal in the not too distant future... |
| 23:49.36 | Zvpun | mnguyen: if it was my program I would copy it to ~/bin/ |
| 23:49.37 | enouf | eat it! |
| 23:49.39 | enouf | :-P |
| 23:50.08 | enouf | themill: do you talk of 2.8.x things? hrm? :-) |
| 23:50.43 | themill | enouf: ha! no, DeviceKit... the next thing to blame when we get sick of blaming udev for everything |
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| 23:50.46 | enouf | heh, merging something usually results in MORE BLOAT :-) |
| 23:50.53 | enouf | haha |
| 23:52.02 | enouf | themill: so .. we're being web-two-point-oohed ? webkit, devicekit .. what next? kernelkit? |
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| 23:52.31 | enouf | Felix the cat and his magic bag of .... kits? |
| 23:52.45 | mnguyen | Zvpun: good point... although i'm thinking i might want to share it... but for now i'm the only user on the computer heh |
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| 23:53.11 | enouf | !8ball how many "kits" will Linux have by the time 2.8 appears? |
| 23:53.11 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 23:53.30 | Stanlin | Help!!! I've added a sshfs mount to sftab, but when i mount using .bashrc i get this error, fuse: bad mount point `/shared/projects/1and1': Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 23:53.36 | mnguyen | anybody here who can recommend a really good, lightweight, but multitab terminal emulator? |
| 23:53.45 | mnguyen | i'm just using xterm right now =| |
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| 23:54.14 | PeterFA | enouf, I've never heard of lshal. |
| 23:54.17 | PeterFA | Interesting. |
| 23:54.28 | enouf | !pal PeterFA |
| 23:54.28 | dpkg | points at PeterFA and laughs |
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| 23:56.44 | pippijn | hi all |
| 23:56.54 | pippijn | how can I force-remove a package? |
| 23:57.08 | pippijn | I have a package that doesn't want to be removed, because a dependency is missing |
| 23:57.29 | abrotman | paste the error in a pastebin |
| 23:57.38 | pippijn | http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/1bf63a5f8b919884b24fa96f8311c68d.txt |
| 23:57.42 | Stanlin | Halo? |
| 23:58.00 | abrotman | pippijn: stop forcing it .. |
| 23:58.04 | PeterFA | I ran into this when attempting to reinstall about 20 or so packages: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on initscripts |
| 23:58.08 | PeterFA | using apt-get |
| 23:58.17 | themill | pippijn: the words "you're doing it all wrong" come to mind. |
| 23:58.20 | pippijn | abrotman: it didn't want to be removed without force, either |
| 23:58.20 | abrotman | pippijn: why not install the dependencies ? |
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| 23:59.07 | pippijn | abrotman: it is installed.. |
| 23:59.36 | abrotman | doesn't seem to be |
