| 00:00.10 | pippijn | ghc-pkg: dependency mtl-1.1.0.0 doesn't exist (use --force to override) |
| 00:00.10 | themill | They're also packges that aren't in debian.... |
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| 00:00.17 | pippijn | abrotman: it's not dpkg saying that |
| 00:00.21 | pippijn | abrotman: dpkg tells me it's installed |
| 00:00.29 | pippijn | I can't reinstall it, either |
| 00:00.47 | abrotman | so ghc-pkg is angry |
| 00:00.52 | Stanlin | Help!!! I've added a sshfs mount to fstab, but when i mount using .bashrc i get this error, fuse: bad mount point `/shared/projects/1and1': Transport endpoint is not connected, but when i try to mount again it works, why is that problem? |
| 00:00.57 | pippijn | can I ignore the uninstall scripts? |
| 00:01.02 | pippijn | I will reinstall this stuff, anyway |
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| 00:01.40 | pippijn | I can't reinstall mtl (which ghc-pkg says is missing): |
| 00:01.40 | pippijn | Preparing to replace libghc6-mtl-dev 1.1.0.0-2 (using libghc6-mtl-dev_1.1.0.0-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 00:01.41 | pippijn | ghc-pkg: cannot find package mtl-1.1.0.0 |
| 00:01.42 | abrotman | you can put an exit 0 after the shebang |
| 00:01.54 | pippijn | where are the scripts? |
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| 00:02.41 | pippijn | ah |
| 00:02.43 | pippijn | I fixed it |
| 00:02.43 | enouf | PeterFA: sounds like a .postinst script called either invoke-rc.d on a utility or just called up dpkg-reconfigure on sometjhing that's either not avail, or just not doable at that time |
| 00:02.46 | pippijn | pippijn@osiris archives $ sudo /usr/lib/libghc6-mtl-dev/register.sh |
| 00:02.49 | pippijn | this fixed mtl |
| 00:02.51 | Stanlin | S.O.S |
| 00:02.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | any 'cons' people can see to making roots reservation on filesystems 1% not 5%? all filesystems but / are >3GB |
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| 00:03.03 | pippijn | *sigh* |
| 00:03.09 | PeterFA | enouf, I removed two entries for sysv-init stuff and it works. |
| 00:03.15 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: just less reserved space |
| 00:03.18 | PeterFA | enouf, too bad those may be compromised :*( |
| 00:03.31 | PeterFA | enouf, I don't think my system has been rooted anymore, but I want to be careful. |
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| 00:03.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, cheers, thats what i suspected. |
| 00:03.45 | enouf | PeterFA: well, if you remove --purge them, install rcconf ;-) |
| 00:03.54 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: I do exactly that on many machines... esp things like desktops/laptops. |
| 00:03.55 | abrotman | PeterFA: you can never be certain .. reinstall the system |
| 00:04.03 | PeterFA | enouf, nut uh.. I don't want to reconfigure all that stuff. |
| 00:04.05 | enouf | PeterFA: we be rootin j00 all the time |
| 00:04.18 | Stanlin | ls |
| 00:04.22 | PeterFA | enouf, I'll get on with rcconf one these are reinstalled. |
| 00:04.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill, i've noticed 10GB~ on two 'user only' partitions that are reserved for root. I should probably have thought of this some time ago :) |
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| 00:04.45 | Stanlin | Halp plz |
| 00:05.06 | enouf | Stanlin: stop whining , and present a clear issue to us |
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| 00:05.50 | DustyDingo | PeterFA: from what i have heared i just would do a reinstallation and change keys, passwords,... |
| 00:06.05 | Stanlin | enouf: I've added a "sshfs mount" to FSTAB, but when i mount using ".bashrc" i get this error, fuse: bad mount point `/shared/projects/1and1': Transport endpoint is not connected, but when i try to mount again it works, why is that problem? |
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| 00:06.51 | enouf | Stanlin: your .bashrc has nothing to do with mounting |
| 00:06.59 | enouf | or, .. it shouldn't |
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| 00:07.52 | avtobiff | Stanlin, do you have a "mount something something" in your .bashrc? |
| 00:07.56 | enouf | and make sure your USERname is a member of the fuse group |
| 00:08.04 | avtobiff | Stanlin, or "mount -a" or something? |
| 00:08.06 | enouf | if you do - we're going to smack you |
| 00:08.24 | avtobiff | enouf, we? |
| 00:08.41 | enouf | yes, a collective THWACK! |
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| 00:08.57 | avtobiff | participation is mandatory by what means? |
| 00:08.57 | Stanlin | enouf: when i mount manually works, but when i boot it doesnt mount automatically |
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| 00:09.21 | avtobiff | Stanlin, what is the line in fstab describing your sshfs mount? |
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| 00:10.26 | Stanlin | avtobiff: sshfs#u44214873@microsoft.com:/ /shared/projects/1and1 fuse user,rw,noauto 0 0 |
| 00:10.38 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 00:11.32 | Stanlin | avtobiff: then ive added to .bashrc : mount /shared/projects/1and1 |
| 00:11.40 | enouf | o m g |
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| 00:12.15 | Stanlin | when i mount manually , typing , mount /shared/projects/1and1 , works perfectly |
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| 00:12.21 | enouf | Stanlin: at the risk of sounding odd - remove noauto :-P |
| 00:13.11 | enouf | if the share isn't available at boot time, put a line in rc.local or something - use pmount, or something ! |
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| 00:13.56 | enouf | heh, even in your ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession :-P |
| 00:14.16 | Stanlin | enouf: so instead of use .bashrc i need to use your methods |
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| 00:15.23 | enouf | Stanlin: is there any reason why you have noauto? and why not define uid=xxxx,gid=xxxx in your fstab mount options? or use whatever authentication file= thing you need |
| 00:15.57 | Stanlin | enouf: im using ssh trusted relationship |
| 00:16.20 | enouf | i didn't ask you that .. |
| 00:16.21 | abrotman | trusted relationship .. microsoft? |
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| 00:17.55 | Stanlin | enouf: no i dont have any reasons... that i understand |
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| 00:20.10 | Stanlin | enouf: i just want to mount an ssh connection to a directory, without pasting the password all the time, and have it mounted every time i boot the computer |
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| 00:22.14 | enouf | Stanlin: can't you use key-based authentication then? which i would imagine is already set up, if you can mount as a user without (password?) authentication being made each time you do |
| 00:23.37 | Stanlin | enouf: yeah, its already done, the key based, works without password perfectly, just now, i want to have it mounted everytime i turn on the laptop, and after the NIC is enabled |
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| 00:25.37 | enouf | Stanlin: try removing the noauto option, but ... hrm .. |
| 00:25.59 | enouf | Stanlin: man sshfs and fuse, and whatever other pages those point to |
| 00:27.22 | enouf | Stanlin: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/filesystems/fuse.txt should be a good read as well |
| 00:27.54 | Stanlin | enouf: thank you ... ill read and come backl |
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| 00:29.17 | enouf | yes, it seems you want user_id= and group_id= options atleast |
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| 00:34.08 | Stanlin | enouf: doesnt work, because the wireless is enabled after fstab, so it fails |
| 00:34.14 | boxxertrumps | hello, i was curious how i would be able to run nautalius as root |
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| 00:35.27 | enouf | Stanlin: ahh .. wifi - regular net would be up usually prior though - maybe you can get the wifi up prior? use pre-up lines in /etc/network/interfaces .. rather than through your GUI , DE? if using a DE like Gnome see System > Preferences > Sessions ? |
| 00:35.41 | enouf | s/regular/wired |
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| 00:36.39 | enouf | Stanlin: if KDE , see ~/.kde/Autostart ? check out which file it is in k control center > system administration > paths |
| 00:36.43 | Stanlin | enouf: took me 1 week to setup this lil wifi applicant app in gnome |
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| 00:37.08 | enouf | Stanlin: fine, see the Session thing i mentioned to autorun commands |
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| 00:37.11 | Stanlin | enouf: thats why i was using .bashrc |
| 00:37.16 | enouf | no no no |
| 00:37.16 | Stanlin | enouf: ok |
| 00:38.00 | enouf | Stanlin: especially when X is used, if no DM, or DE was used, i might suggest ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession file |
| 00:38.26 | Stanlin | oh ok... got it |
| 00:38.32 | Stanlin | ill try now |
| 00:38.39 | enouf | if no X nor DE is being used - i'd say rc.local perhaps |
| 00:38.47 | Stanlin | i do use gnome |
| 00:38.53 | enouf | definitely not .bashrc |
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| 00:39.55 | rk_ | when i try to connect to my sshd host it says connection closed by hots... and nothing else... anybody knows why could it be? |
| 00:42.12 | Stanlin | rebooting |
| 00:42.24 | rk_ | i created a a pair keys in my client machine... and add the .pub to athorized_keys in host |
| 00:43.40 | enouf | rk_: uname -r |
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| 00:44.33 | rk_ | enouf, 2.6.27-11 |
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| 00:44.54 | Stanlin | woks fine |
| 00:44.55 | enouf | rk_: that's no debian kernel |
| 00:45.00 | Stanlin | enouf: thank you!! |
| 00:45.05 | enouf | Stanlin: success? welcome ;-) |
| 00:45.22 | Stanlin | enouf: yeah, with gnome sessions, made the trick |
| 00:45.42 | enouf | Stanlin: i just found out about it not long ago myself, i don't use gnome ;-) |
| 00:45.48 | rk_ | enouf, its a general sshd problem :S |
| 00:46.01 | enouf | rk_: ok, you win ... |
| 00:46.05 | enouf | now fix it! |
| 00:46.08 | enouf | :-P |
| 00:46.15 | rk_ | ^^ thanks |
| 00:46.28 | rk_ | ill try... |
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| 00:46.57 | infernix | wheew. reading changelogs whenn upgrading etch>lenny is time consuming. |
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| 00:47.38 | infernix | 6 seconds for 1% |
| 00:48.15 | enouf | rk_: a hint at what i was getting at - /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
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| 00:50.31 | rk_ | thanks enouf i just generated the keys tho |
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| 00:51.15 | Stanlin | i wonder if there is ssh in windows |
| 00:51.18 | enouf | rk_: use the -vvv option to see more perhaps |
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| 00:53.03 | rk_ | enouf, ... i think -vvv will do the trick to get me started :) thanks |
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| 01:02.48 | Stanlin | ls |
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| 01:03.20 | Stanlin | does wireshark works with wifi cards? |
| 01:03.42 | pl4yer0ne | yep |
| 01:04.30 | Stanlin | what is the lightest VM engine? vmware , vbox , xen ? |
| 01:05.02 | pl4yer0ne | depends what you mean by lightest |
| 01:05.29 | pl4yer0ne | I find VMware uses the least system resources once configured properly |
| 01:05.50 | Stanlin | pl4yer0ne: i live with an Atom processor |
| 01:06.13 | pl4yer0ne | does it pay rent? (boom tish) |
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| 01:07.22 | seria-mau | hi |
| 01:07.46 | pl4yer0ne | hello seria-mau |
| 01:07.51 | seria-mau | how can i get suite/codename information on packages? i tried dpkg-query with -W and the format option but can't get it to work |
| 01:07.56 | Stanlin | lol |
| 01:08.17 | pl4yer0ne | seria-mau, what do you actually want to know? |
| 01:08.31 | themill | !which repo |
| 01:08.31 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 01:08.56 | abrotman | claps for themill |
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| 01:09.11 | themill | for my esp-over-tcp/ip skills? |
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| 01:09.34 | abrotman | for remembering the factoid |
| 01:10.07 | themill | you created it! |
| 01:10.12 | Stanlin | !which google chrome debian |
| 01:10.17 | abrotman | oh jeez .. not again |
| 01:10.47 | seria-mau | themill: thanks |
| 01:10.52 | themill | np |
| 01:13.28 | enouf | seria-mau: an alternative method is like this; ~$ grep-status -F Maintainer 'marillat@debian.org' -a -F Status -sPackage 'install ok installed' |
| 01:13.49 | enouf | seria-mau: you need grep-dctrl and dctrl-tools pkgs |
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| 01:14.30 | enouf | seria-mau: and even perhaps ; ~$ aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i |
| 01:14.39 | enouf | if you use aptitude |
| 01:14.43 | pierre_le | help on limits.conf. i want to disable limit checking, set everything to unlimited for everything possible on the system |
| 01:15.01 | enouf | pierre_le: it's all unlimited until you change it |
| 01:15.16 | enouf | !ulimits |
| 01:15.19 | enouf | !ulimit |
| 01:15.23 | enouf | heh |
| 01:15.32 | streuner | !listvals ulimits |
| 01:15.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ulimits' by value returned no results. |
| 01:15.37 | enouf | man bash, see ulimits - see /etc/security/ |
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| 01:15.45 | streuner | !listkeys ulimit |
| 01:15.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ulimit' by key (2): _default (`ulimit`) ;; (`ulimit`). |
| 01:15.47 | enouf | streuner: ouch! |
| 01:16.18 | enouf | abrotman: 'time to bake a factoid' ;-) |
| 01:16.29 | abrotman | or just point them at the man page! |
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| 01:16.39 | enouf | too much work! |
| 01:16.43 | enouf | ;-) |
| 01:16.52 | streuner | Dont be lazy! |
| 01:17.02 | enouf | streuner: scroll up ... |
| 01:17.04 | pl4yer0ne | its monday i say be lazy |
| 01:17.07 | enouf | then .. stfu :-) |
| 01:17.33 | enouf | tickles streuner and has a streudel on the side |
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| 01:18.37 | streuner | hm, seems to be a bigger problem, so carry on :-P |
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| 01:22.02 | enouf | streuner: i meant .. as far as me being lazy ;-) |
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| 01:22.38 | enouf | streuner: oh .. you meant abrotman? :-P cool |
| 01:23.04 | streuner | *cough* enough(f) *cough* |
| 01:23.05 | Stanlin | how to make gnome tasklist and launch bar, to look and act like the one in Windows 7? |
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| 01:24.04 | streuner | just show us a screenshot |
| 01:24.07 | amphi | Stanlin: how would that be? manyu of us have not seen this wonder |
| 01:24.20 | streuner | many of us dont know windows 7 much... |
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| 01:25.33 | streuner | any idea how to change resolution for a CRT ? |
| 01:25.37 | streuner | via debconf? |
| 01:25.50 | abrotman | xrandr |
| 01:25.55 | streuner | ah |
| 01:25.57 | streuner | thanks |
| 01:26.19 | Stanlin | amphi: well its just one concept, which i think its useful, 1 bar for all, tasklist + launchbar, simple, works fine |
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| 01:27.25 | seria-mau | themill: the command using dpkg -l could use a "cut -f1,4" at the end :) |
| 01:27.49 | amphi | as far as I know (which is not that far, I grant you) you can have as few or many panels as you like in gnome, with whatever widgets and crapplets you like on it/them |
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| 01:30.23 | themill | seria-mau: rather than using cut, change the awk line that prints the data out. Note that you actually need both fields 3 and 4 to work out where the package is from. (well, you actually can't work it out at all, but this is as good as it gets) |
| 01:30.38 | v13 | bb |
| 01:31.35 | enouf | seria-mau: awk '{ print$3,4$}' perhaps |
| 01:31.38 | enouf | er |
| 01:31.44 | enouf | seria-mau: awk '{ print$3,$4}' perhaps |
| 01:31.53 | enouf | fuck |
| 01:31.54 | Stanlin | amphi: honestly i just want to have one, an unique launch and tasklist, not 2 separated like gnome kde windows xp, vista , has |
| 01:31.59 | themill | enouf: you'd want $1 too, since that's the package name. |
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| 01:32.15 | enouf | someone pass me a new box of spaces please |
| 01:32.19 | Stanlin | amphi: win7 is simple: start, launch+tasklist, voila |
| 01:32.22 | enouf | oh. ok |
| 01:32.45 | themill | (actually, it's more complicate than that.... actually, that awk command is horrid) |
| 01:33.04 | amphi | Stanlin: I don't think I quite get what you mean - what do you want? a menu, a run box, and a task list? |
| 01:33.07 | enouf | i've found it so .. on certain outputs from the pkg managers |
| 01:33.10 | enouf | and friends |
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| 01:33.57 | themill | istr spending quite some time trying to construct it... my awk-fu isn't that great. |
| 01:34.11 | enouf | Stanlin: believe it or not .. and for you i'm making a special exception ; try KDE |
| 01:34.34 | enouf | Stanlin: its extremely windows-like |
| 01:35.41 | Stanlin | enouf: yeah i heard KDE is much better now, what version do we have in lenny? |
| 01:35.44 | enouf | IMHO, ofcourse |
| 01:35.50 | enouf | 3.5.9 |
| 01:35.57 | Stanlin | enouf: is that good? |
| 01:36.18 | enouf | it should be - it's been at 3.5.x for a l-o-n-g time |
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| 01:37.13 | Stanlin | enouf: what is the package name for basic installation for kde? |
| 01:37.20 | enouf | Stanlin: it's ok, very customizeable, but bloated - yet if you have a core2duo or something, shouldn't be an issue - that's the way the devs of DEs think it seeems |
| 01:37.25 | r0b | Anyone know how to correct a Device communication error 5012 inside of the hp-toolbox with hplip installed? I dont get this error when running hp-toolbox as root. |
| 01:37.29 | enouf | Stanlin: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 01:37.47 | Stanlin | amphi: i just want MENU, unified (run box - task list, with the pin concept ) |
| 01:38.13 | enouf | r0b: figure out which group you are not a part of, but should be in |
| 01:38.21 | amphi | ah, yes, the pin concept... |
| 01:38.23 | Stanlin | enouf: well i do have a intel Atom, i guess KDE aint for me |
| 01:38.44 | enouf | r0b: maybe getent group | grep hp will show you |
| 01:38.58 | enouf | Stanlin: well .. |
| 01:39.02 | amphi | Stanlin: the xandros that comes on Eeepcs runs kde, I believe |
| 01:39.23 | amphi | or some of it, at least ;) |
| 01:39.33 | Stanlin | let me youtube it.... |
| 01:39.55 | r0b | enouf: That's what I'm trying to figure out but I'm not having any luck, that command doesn't give any results. |
| 01:39.56 | enouf | Stanlin: an intel atom is light years ahead of a p-pro / 586 , so don't go by my standards :-) |
| 01:40.16 | enouf | r0b: maybe xsane? or sane? |
| 01:40.24 | enouf | how about hal? |
| 01:40.32 | enouf | or haldaemon? |
| 01:40.43 | module000 | why on earth did they kill the atom line anyway? |
| 01:40.46 | enouf | or .. lp ? |
| 01:40.48 | stoned | hi |
| 01:40.53 | r0b | enouf: rob dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 01:41.02 | amphi | module000: they did? |
| 01:41.05 | r0b | how do i add to group please? |
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| 01:41.09 | stoned | no they didn';t |
| 01:41.13 | stoned | did they? |
| 01:41.17 | enouf | stompthebozo adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev saned powerdev |
| 01:41.18 | module000 | yes, read your /. |
| 01:41.21 | amphi | heh |
| 01:41.29 | stoned | fuck slash poop |
| 01:41.30 | enouf | but i don't really care about printers |
| 01:41.42 | enouf | once in a while i try to get one to work |
| 01:41.50 | enouf | then i fail and give up |
| 01:42.00 | stoned | then you just install windows |
| 01:42.06 | enouf | never! |
| 01:42.08 | stoned | where everything just works |
| 01:42.13 | r0b | how do i add to group? |
| 01:42.13 | amphi | cups has generally been very obliging when I've set up printers for frienda |
| 01:42.20 | enouf | stoned: i want that bong@! |
| 01:42.25 | Stanlin | atom superior to Pentiums? |
| 01:42.28 | enouf | renateitor: gpasswd |
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| 01:42.31 | enouf | err |
| 01:42.34 | enouf | r0b: |
| 01:42.46 | Stanlin | it runs on the edge here |
| 01:42.58 | enouf | Stanlin: you don;'t know? see en.wikipedia.org |
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| 01:43.45 | enouf | cups is nice ... very much work has been done to make it "just works" [tm] |
| 01:43.52 | amphi | Stanlin: my niece has an atom-based eee, it seems to run openoffice ok, if that tells you anything ;) |
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| 01:44.52 | Stanlin | well i use , err, i Work in a Atom based 10 inches netbook, programming, browsing, lot of multitasking, except video of course |
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| 01:50.25 | craigevil | amphi: Ooo runs ok on my 701 that has a celeron, but i do have 1gb of ram |
| 01:51.23 | amphi | craigevil: I don't think the atom's performance is thrillingly better than the celery; as far as I know its main feature is extremely low power consumption |
| 01:51.35 | enouf | indeed, it is |
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| 01:52.20 | Stanlin | aint fast, but aint slow... its on the edge |
| 01:52.24 | enouf | the intel atom is about as powerful as my baby chimp :-P |
| 01:52.29 | Stanlin | on windows, atom is more responsive |
| 01:52.53 | enouf | Stanlin: redmond is sleeping with the enemy |
| 01:52.59 | enouf | er .. enema :-P |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | enouf: aren't you still running a PIII ? |
| 01:53.33 | enouf | abrotman: p2! get it right! |
| 01:53.37 | amphi | he has a brand new celery if I recall correctly |
| 01:53.45 | Stanlin | p2 is powerful with win95 |
| 01:54.22 | enouf | amphi: indeed, i have an ibm thinkpad type 1161 with a celery 500MHz in possession |
| 01:54.57 | enouf | which needs a HDD - but booted Knoppix 3.9 withouth issue!! no boot params needed |
| 01:55.05 | enouf | 2.6.11 btw |
| 01:55.42 | enouf | had no idea that libata was at version 1.1 at that time |
| 01:56.02 | stoned | lol |
| 01:56.05 | stoned | brand new celery lol |
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| 01:57.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | just retired his p3 laptop |
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| 01:57.23 | enouf | i have this Dellio 2x Xeon Server i still need to investigatte |
| 01:57.38 | kaarlo` | gn8 |
| 01:57.50 | enouf | win2k era dellio |
| 01:57.58 | enouf | the PSU is on the door :-P |
| 01:58.01 | stoned | I have pIII 256mb 10gb |
| 01:58.10 | stoned | 866MHz |
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| 01:58.48 | Stanlin | seems KDE4 sucks http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/012209-open-source-identity-linux-founder.html?page=6 |
| 01:59.26 | enouf | i have this other compaq deskpro with a p3 and Xpoop installed, no SPs though, and it's fast w/128M RAN |
| 01:59.29 | Stanlin | well it says linux tolbars |
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| 02:00.32 | stoned | Im trying to get a copy of windows 95 or try to get wine or something to run MYST |
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| 02:00.54 | stoned | I bought the Masterpiece edition at Walmart, 10$, super graphicalized MYST |
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| 02:01.04 | stoned | I try to run in cedega, no dice, wine, no dice, windows xp no dice |
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| 02:01.17 | stoned | I'm not sure how to run the damn thing |
| 02:01.25 | abrotman | ask a better channel |
| 02:01.26 | stoned | it suppsoed to be xp/wine compatible |
| 02:01.29 | stoned | yeh |
| 02:02.10 | stoned | why are you green man... |
| 02:02.17 | stoned | I thought I fixed this last night |
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| 02:02.49 | ham5 | green is good |
| 02:03.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | eyes xorg. 5% of 2gig of ram is quite a lot to push pixels onto my screen |
| 02:03.38 | stoned | 5% of 2k == 50mb? |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | nice math skills |
| 02:03.54 | ham5 | lol |
| 02:03.57 | stoned | thanks |
| 02:04.02 | stoned | I can't do math at all |
| 02:04.08 | stoned | I wish I'd went to school. |
| 02:04.13 | Stanlin | !compiz |
| 02:04.13 | dpkg | well, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:04.20 | abrotman | Stanlin: jesus .. msg the damn bot already |
| 02:04.24 | enouf | stoned: wait ... what? |
| 02:04.42 | enouf | stoned: ffs, you need win9x ? |
| 02:04.51 | stoned | enouf, let him enjoy his petty sarcasm... means nothing |
| 02:04.52 | enouf | ask me you turd! |
| 02:04.55 | stoned | oh that |
| 02:05.08 | stoned | no I'm trying to make it work in wine first |
| 02:05.13 | stoned | it should work in wine it says |
| 02:05.31 | enouf | stoned: wine? merlot? cabernet? |
| 02:05.45 | stoned | wine which is not a windows emulator ;) |
| 02:06.30 | enouf | stoned: stop adding unneccessary abstraction layers ... |
| 02:06.35 | stoned | ok |
| 02:06.39 | Stanlin | why there is no compiz on lenny? |
| 02:06.46 | enouf | ....and .. pass the bong you fuck |
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| 02:06.53 | stoned | #debian-chat |
| 02:06.57 | ham5 | :) |
| 02:07.03 | abrotman | Stanlin: there is |
| 02:07.07 | ham5 | stanlin, its in the repos |
| 02:07.20 | stoned | why is stanlin ignored? |
| 02:07.21 | Stanlin | oh sorry... my mistake |
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| 02:07.36 | stoned | I don't remember, so it probably doesn't matter anyway |
| 02:07.40 | stoned | removed |
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| 02:08.43 | Stanlin | any backup solutions for debian? |
| 02:09.03 | stoned | depends on how sophisitacated you want to be with your backups |
| 02:09.03 | Stanlin | this is taking me a while to configure as i like, need to backup it asap |
| 02:09.15 | Stanlin | the whole partitions |
| 02:09.22 | ham5 | do a dd backup |
| 02:09.24 | Xenguy | rsnapshot or backuppc - gotta run tho |
| 02:11.04 | Stanlin | how do you know if i have 3d acceleration hardware? |
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| 02:13.27 | amphi | Stanlin: on your atom-based eee? |
| 02:13.36 | Stanlin | amphi: yeh heh |
| 02:13.52 | amphi | in that case, it's a i945 IIRC, so you have (some) |
| 02:14.30 | amphi | my niece's came with stellarium, which was nice, and works pretty well |
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| 02:16.37 | amphi | Stanlin: try glxinfo in a term |
| 02:17.34 | Stanlin | amphi: yeh, runs fine, this atom is pxe server, dhcp server also |
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| 02:18.38 | Stanlin | direct rendering: Yes, server glx vendor string: SGI, server glx version string: 1.2 |
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| 02:19.07 | kole | hilo |
| 02:19.15 | Stanlin | 3030 frames in 5.0 seconds = 605.956 FPS |
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| 02:20.55 | Stanlin | how to enable compiz? |
| 02:22.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | JFGI |
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| 02:26.56 | kole | what reasons would make me switch from ubuntu to debian? |
| 02:27.52 | Stanlin | kole: what kind of user you are? iq, etc |
| 02:28.10 | gravity | ugh |
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| 02:28.32 | gravity | kole: Debian tends to do better for either very long-term releases, or more rapid development type things. |
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| 02:29.27 | seria-mau | btw: whats the reason for unstable being frozen while testing is frozen? |
| 02:29.27 | gravity | kole: If you want something in between, where every 6 months you get a new release, bugs be damned, Ubuntu is what you want. If you want a release either every few years or a constantly updating non-release (either somewhat tested or not very tested) then Debian is better. |
| 02:29.30 | kole | I want things on the cutting edge |
| 02:29.53 | seria-mau | you may want to try fedora then |
| 02:29.54 | kole | I WANT full out cloud computing... but thats a pipedream right now |
| 02:29.59 | gravity | kole: Debian unstable is better for that. Ubuntu's development versions don't tend to be as pleasant to run as Debian unstable, from what I understand. |
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| 02:30.18 | kole | I tried fedora |
| 02:30.23 | kole | I prefer .deb's :) |
| 02:30.28 | gravity | seria-mau: It's not actually frozen, but people keep their packages out of unstable so that they can make timely updates for the release without worries. |
| 02:30.37 | kole | Ive tried fedora, opensuse, linuxmint and ubuntu |
| 02:30.46 | seria-mau | fedora cutting edge as in bleeding |
| 02:30.49 | seria-mau | +is |
| 02:30.51 | gravity | seria-mau: Anyone can upload whatever they want to unstable. It's just not a good idea for the release process. |
| 02:30.57 | Stanlin | kole: full cloud?? thats marketing |
| 02:31.03 | kole | lol |
| 02:31.06 | kole | its just wording |
| 02:31.18 | kole | I want to have a central server in my home, with my operating system and all my files |
| 02:31.19 | seria-mau | its buzz words |
| 02:31.22 | Stanlin | kole: cloud computing = selling hosting |
| 02:31.51 | kole | then when i take a picture with my digital camera itll automaticly be on the server... and I can watch my entire movie collection on any of my devices |
| 02:32.08 | gravity | You can write that |
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| 02:32.13 | kole | No more hardrives... just one server for everything including programs |
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| 02:32.38 | gravity | Although not for your OS, obviously |
| 02:32.38 | kole | its very possible i could... if I knew anything about programming :P |
| 02:32.41 | seria-mau | good luck in an area with no broadband |
| 02:32.41 | kole | I work in radio |
| 02:33.11 | kole | seria-mau, - all major cities will soon have 100 percent broadband coverage... and hopefully whitespaces colation can improve that even more |
| 02:34.19 | gravity | Just learn some scripting. Any language will do. You can pretty much have things sync to a server trivially. |
| 02:34.19 | Stanlin | kole: i run like this , like 7 years ago, no CD's, usb sticks, papers, desktops |
| 02:34.19 | gravity | (How can one run UNIX and not know any scripting?) |
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| 02:34.26 | pl4yer0ne | gravity, there are many n00bs in the universe |
| 02:34.37 | kole | I like gnome :P |
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| 02:34.48 | kole | I hardly even use the terminal |
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| 02:35.14 | gravity | pl4yer0ne: I guess I've been in the thick of it for too long :-) |
| 02:35.22 | seria-mau | kole: so rural areas are what? unimportant? most people live there |
| 02:35.27 | Stanlin | and i tho i was a n00b LOL |
| 02:35.40 | kole | seria-mau, - with whitespaces that would be solved |
| 02:35.45 | kole | no more slow connections |
| 02:35.52 | kole | rural areas could easily be covered |
| 02:36.27 | seria-mau | whitespaces? how can whitespaces be used to solve that problem? it's just a character |
| 02:36.56 | kole | What are you talking about? |
| 02:37.08 | seria-mau | " " <- whitespace |
| 02:37.13 | kole | theres unused TV signals in every rural area... other then maybe WAY up north |
| 02:37.30 | kole | google the white spaces coalition |
| 02:37.56 | seria-mau | oh. you mean white spaces and not whitespaces? |
| 02:38.19 | kole | http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2007/04/white-space.ars |
| 02:40.28 | kole | It'll actually work better in rural areas |
| 02:41.14 | kingsley | How safe is the experimental version of alsa-base (1.0.18.dfsg+1.0.18a-1)? |
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| 02:41.29 | abrotman | try it and let us know |
| 02:41.44 | kole | which is perfect for cloud computing (back to my thesis) :P |
| 02:42.17 | stoned | gravity, you're right |
| 02:42.22 | module000 | cloudcomputing == ptlssbzzwrd |
| 02:43.26 | seria-mau | kole: i wasnt aware that non-hdtv dvb-t actually uses less bandwith than analog tv |
| 02:43.49 | pl4yer0ne | yeah having one server that "everything talks to" is not cloud computing |
| 02:43.59 | dansushi | i just got a gigabit switch, and i'd like to be able to tell if it is working at the right speed. How can i tell if linux is connected to it as gigabit lan, and not 100 megabit lan? |
| 02:44.12 | abrotman | ethtool or mii-tool |
| 02:44.33 | dansushi | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 02:44.40 | kole | then whatever the term is |
| 02:44.48 | kole | Tis where I think things are going |
| 02:45.31 | seria-mau | kole: but i still think there's a problem with this idea: this will surely get you lots of download capacity but how to organize upload? you can't simply use wireless, tv antennas are to far away |
| 02:45.56 | kole | Thats one of the issues |
| 02:46.04 | kole | Theres cell wireless |
| 02:46.09 | kole | which is expensive for uploaf |
| 02:46.14 | kole | upload* |
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| 02:47.17 | kole | Maybe figure out a way to use the unused AM radio signals |
| 02:47.43 | seria-mau | paket radio? iirc slow as hell |
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| 02:48.40 | seria-mau | s/paket/packet/ |
| 02:48.41 | ix | 4-5000bps is /blazing/ speed over HF. :-) |
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| 02:50.47 | kole | how about Internet over dirt |
| 02:51.00 | kole | just send information via the earth itself :) |
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| 02:52.42 | Nai | where is modprobe.conf on eth? i searched whole disk for it and nothing returned |
| 02:52.46 | Nai | etch* |
| 02:52.56 | seria-mau | i think you will have to bring the dirt into some special configuration for this - as we are doing since ages e.g. fiberglass, copper cable |
| 02:53.08 | Stanlin | windows borders are missing, how to restore gnome original configuration? |
| 02:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | CPIP! |
| 02:53.26 | abrotman | Nai: what are you trying to do ? |
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| 02:53.59 | amphi | Stanlin: what have you done? |
| 02:54.18 | Nai | abrotman, following instructions for getting audio to work, and it says add lines to modprobe.conf |
| 02:54.22 | Stanlin | amphi: dunno, all borders are gone, ive uninstalled compiz, but still messed |
| 02:54.45 | abrotman | Nai: you may want /etc/modprobe.d/ .. but i don't know what lines you're adding |
| 02:55.18 | Stanlin | ?amphi: how to know what windows manager am i using |
| 02:55.18 | Nai | options snd-hda-intel index=0 AND options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad |
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| 02:55.22 | nsadmin | Stanlin: ps aux | grep (yourusername) |
| 02:55.23 | amphi | Stanlin: try 'metacity --replace' in your run box or a term |
| 02:55.40 | Nai | abrotman, i mean, it asks for that to be changed to the second instance shown there |
| 02:55.48 | abrotman | Nai: you should be able to put that in the modprobe.d stuff |
| 02:55.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stanlin, you don't KNOW?! |
| 02:56.01 | nsadmin | Stanlin and look thru that listing |
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| 02:56.57 | Stanlin | what is the shortcut to launch a terminal in gnome? |
| 02:57.16 | module000 | alt+f2->xterm |
| 02:57.25 | module000 | possibly others, but i use that. |
| 02:57.44 | nsadmin | stick a terminal icon on your panel then click that |
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| 02:58.21 | abrotman | !tell Stanlin about grounding |
| 02:58.27 | nsadmin | try right clicking on your panel to see what you can do to it |
| 02:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I doubt that this answers any of his last two questions :) |
| 02:59.38 | nsadmin | Stanlin: so what you do is -make- a shortcut |
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| 03:01.49 | Stanlin | phew thanks, compiz aint good for netbooks |
| 03:02.12 | Stanlin | so metacity is the wm for gnome |
| 03:02.43 | amphi | it should work ok on a 945 |
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| 03:03.53 | Stanlin | amphi: works fine, just , at 13 fps |
| 03:04.04 | Stanlin | amphi: i prefer metacity |
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| 03:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, did any of you check out pdfcube? Is it for you as useless as for me? (shows only the upper half of each page) |
| 03:04.53 | amphi | I've heard of compiz running well on the eee |
| 03:05.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | compiz also seems to me to be pretty useless... fancy, but not very functional |
| 03:05.55 | Stanlin | CutMeOwnThroat: agreed |
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| 03:06.18 | amphi | true enough |
| 03:06.19 | Stanlin | how to switch between desktops (1-2-3-4) |
| 03:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | with compiz? |
| 03:06.37 | Stanlin | metacity |
| 03:06.38 | abrotman | !tell Stanlin about grounding |
| 03:06.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | does grounding handle that kind of stuff at all? |
| 03:07.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... WM specific things? |
| 03:07.14 | abrotman | you mean .. the reading part ? |
| 03:07.19 | Stanlin | am i grounded??? no party's? |
| 03:07.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !grounding |
| 03:07.41 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 03:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean the install guide, the deb reference, the apt howto... |
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| 03:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you meant "!docs"? |
| 03:10.29 | abrotman | i'd settle for him reading anything |
| 03:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... xkcd? |
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| 03:13.58 | Stanlin | wow |
| 03:14.01 | Stanlin | i like metacity |
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| 03:23.14 | pivot_ | i've got a file here, I'm not sure of it's encoding. VI for example shows me some weird characters like Ã? sometimes instead of specific special chars - how could i tell VI to use UTF8 (or whatever is required to solve my problem)? |
| 03:23.22 | twisted` | can I configure the interface in a way that it only uses wlan when there's no utp present? |
| 03:23.31 | pivot_ | i tried :set encoding=utf-8, but that didn't help, the text was the same |
| 03:23.34 | abrotman | pivot_: tried using 'file' ? |
| 03:24.06 | pivot_ | what do you mean? |
| 03:24.21 | abrotman | file foo.txt .. or wahtever |
| 03:24.22 | newsense | pivot_: the file command |
| 03:24.25 | pivot_ | ASCII text |
| 03:24.39 | abrotman | doesn't give an encoding ? |
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| 03:24.47 | pivot_ | no, just filename: ASCII text |
| 03:25.38 | abrotman | iconv ? |
| 03:26.07 | pivot_ | can i use that to convert it to utf-8 ? |
| 03:26.35 | pivot_ | hm okay, but what should i use? --from-code ASCII --to-code UTF-8 ? |
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| 03:27.30 | pivot_ | when i try that it says: iconv: illegal input sequence at position 165083 |
| 03:28.42 | pivot_ | that position has the first special character; 'ä' |
| 03:29.33 | pivot_ | same happens when i try that reversed, --from-code UTF-8 --to-code ASCII, any ideas? :/ |
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| 03:30.18 | alsd | pivot_: i've had success with recode once iirc |
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| 03:31.19 | pivot_ | just installed it, how should i use it..? |
| 03:31.35 | alsd | pivot_: that' s a good question |
| 03:31.50 | alsd | pivot_: recode utf8..ascii or something |
| 03:32.08 | alsd | pivot_: but you have to set some option for it to accept loosing information in the process |
| 03:34.17 | pivot_ | i don't get it :/ |
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| 03:35.15 | alsd | well does it happen the same with other apps than VI? |
| 03:35.27 | alsd | maybe your terminal isnt set to utf8 |
| 03:35.40 | pivot_ | that is an sql-dump; regardless of how i want to open it: i need to feed mysql with that text later |
| 03:35.44 | alsd | ascii is utf8 anyway, no need to convert |
| 03:36.15 | pivot_ | and when i import it, the weird chars get into the database, so it seems that it has nothing to do with my terminal |
| 03:36.58 | alsd | that's utf8 encoding |
| 03:38.45 | alsd | pivot_: maybe with an UTF-8 locale? what does 'echo $LANG' say? |
| 03:38.58 | pivot_ | en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 03:39.11 | abrotman | which database is it? |
| 03:39.30 | pivot_ | export from postgresql |
| 03:39.36 | abrotman | from and to ? |
| 03:39.49 | abrotman | what encoding did you set pgsql to use ? |
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| 03:40.05 | Sashi | with pureftpd how can i disallow people downloading a file that is being uploaded? |
| 03:40.35 | pivot_ | i'm not sure with this. i used pg_dump -E UTF-8 ....as well as other encodings, ASCII, LATIN9 (which was refused), and ISO-8859-15 ... the result was always a dump containing such characters |
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| 03:44.14 | alekz | exit |
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| 03:47.29 | deadcat | so xeon CPUs are 64bit? |
| 03:47.32 | deadcat | all of them? |
| 03:47.43 | twisted` | deadcat: deoebds |
| 03:47.49 | zinx | deadcat: no, some are 32-bit |
| 03:47.52 | twisted` | uh... let'sretry that |
| 03:47.56 | deadcat | oh |
| 03:48.00 | twisted` | deadcat: depends |
| 03:48.06 | abrotman | deadcat: no, not all of them |
| 03:48.25 | deadcat | i have a dual xeon 2.8GHz, bogomips 5600.63 |
| 03:48.54 | zinx | i think the dual/quad core ones are all 64-bit |
| 03:49.04 | deadcat | any command to check? /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 03:49.12 | deadcat | zinx: its also HT |
| 03:49.13 | twisted` | deadcat: yeah.. |
| 03:49.27 | abrotman | deadcat: google the cpu flags or the model name/stepping/family |
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| 03:49.38 | twisted` | cpu family and model help a lot! |
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| 03:49.58 | deadcat | twisted`: family 15 model 2 |
| 03:50.58 | abrotman | deadcat: i have the same here .. it's not 64bit |
| 03:51.35 | twisted` | deadcat: http://www.google.com/search?q=intel+family+15+model+2 |
| 03:52.09 | twisted` | 0.13 µm process technology Northwood B (2.26, 2.4, 2.53, 2.66, 2.8, 3.06 GHz) |
| 03:52.14 | deadcat | abrotman: damn |
| 03:52.17 | twisted` | according to wikipedia |
| 03:52.49 | deadcat | thanks |
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| 03:54.17 | deadcat | abrotman: what MB you have? my MB has 2 of these CPUs, i am trying to replace the heatsink fans on these 2 as well. want some quiet ones. |
| 03:54.35 | abrotman | deadcat: mine is a laptop |
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| 03:55.33 | pivot_ | at least any ideas? i'm lost :/ |
| 03:56.16 | deadcat | abrotman: damn. |
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| 04:04.45 | pivot_ | guess what. i used kwrite to open it (still, took long, 380MB of size), took another encoding and it seems to work for now |
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| 04:07.26 | frostschutz | pivot_: kwrite doesn't tell you about illegal character sequences, but that doesn't change that those illegal sequences are there :) |
| 04:07.43 | pivot_ | damn, when saving it, vi still shows those other characters |
| 04:08.01 | pivot_ | well, it displays them correctly, at least |
| 04:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it saves it with the same encoding |
| 04:08.30 | frostschutz | iconv tells you exactly where an illegal sequence is so you can go check it out and fix it |
| 04:08.35 | pivot_ | it can't be changed, can it? |
| 04:09.01 | pivot_ | yes, but in 380MB, mostly foreign language-text.....there are a lot of such characters |
| 04:09.07 | pivot_ | such as 'ä' |
| 04:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | for i in $(iconv -l); do iconv -f ${i%//} inputfile -o inputfile-${i%//} ; done ? |
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| 04:10.29 | pivot_ | eh |
| 04:10.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | one of the 1153 files will be it! |
| 04:10.53 | nsadmin | unless it's not in there... |
| 04:11.18 | pivot_ | i'm getting very often errors, like iconv: illegal input sequence at position 105922 |
| 04:11.20 | frostschutz | well, with databases, you can have a mixed encoding dump if someone added badly encoded text into the database |
| 04:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | true |
| 04:11.53 | frostschutz | but if it gets 100k characters far before encountering an error it suggests it doesn't occur in every other line |
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| 04:12.08 | frostschutz | I'd at least have a look at those bytes there to see what's wrong in the first place |
| 04:12.10 | pivot_ | there are about 1k errors for now |
| 04:12.12 | jaggz | okay, on etch's aptitude full-upgrade step |
| 04:12.20 | jaggz | 1gb to dl |
| 04:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, trscripts? |
| 04:14.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | pivot_, ^^^ |
| 04:15.55 | pivot_ | hm |
| 04:17.41 | pivot_ | how to use that? I've got it installed |
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| 04:31.20 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 04:31.30 | lkthomas | does anyone use samba to join NT4 domain controller ? |
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| 04:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use samba to join NT4 domain controller |
| 04:34.22 | dpkg | No, no one uses samba to join NT4 domain controller, not even the people who use it. |
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| 04:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also #samba ... |
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| 04:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | pivot_, apt-cache show trscripts ; less /usr/share/doc/trscripts/README |
| 04:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | this *might* be able to deal with multiple encodings |
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| 04:41.30 | pivot_ | but i don't get it how to use that |
| 04:41.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | if there's not one char encoding several things |
| 04:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you've not read what I suggested just now |
| 04:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I wonder wft bdf stands for |
| 04:44.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 04:44.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | .bdf (binary distribution format) |
| 04:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's not what you want after all... |
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| 04:54.40 | Deiz | Is it possible to set which file manager Azureus uses? |
| 04:55.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | manages his files himself. |
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| 05:01.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | plants a little flag with his personal insignia on the floor. |
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| 05:06.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( 700 people and nobody on ) |
| 05:08.02 | pl4yer0ne | whats your problem? |
| 05:08.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | avoiding to work... |
| 05:10.13 | stoned | hey |
| 05:10.20 | stoned | stop that |
| 05:18.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | stop global warming? |
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| 05:19.41 | pl4yer0ne | you had like 15 minutes to think up a comeback and thats it? |
| 05:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jepp :) |
| 05:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I guess you meant repartee, not comeback |
| 05:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 05:28.34 | Nai | cani get some help with sound, have followed some tuts for laptop but not getting audio yet |
| 05:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 05:30.06 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
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| 05:30.44 | Nai | no alsaconf and none listed in apt-cache search |
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| 05:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | in alsa-utils - also /msg dpkg apt-file (and/or /msg dpkg search) |
| 05:31.38 | Nai | got it, it was part of alsa-utils |
| 05:31.45 | Nai | ty |
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| 05:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | the file is in alsautils |
| 05:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps you should start with lsmod |grep snd |
| 05:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, guess alsaconf takes care of that, actually |
| 05:34.16 | Nai | output of lsmod |grep snd |
| 05:34.18 | Nai | http://sial.org/pbot/34957 |
| 05:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... alsa |
| 05:34.58 | Nai | most of all or that was there before alsaconf |
| 05:35.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant... that's probably unecessary... alsaconf will make sure you're running alsa or throw an error (I guess never used the thing) |
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| 05:39.21 | Nai | shrugs |
| 05:39.57 | Nai | been using linux for 10 yrs, and i still hav to peice togehter shit to get basic functionality |
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| 05:41.58 | Nai | i put patch_analog.c onto alsa-driver-1.0.14 and installed, didn't work so tried alsa-driver-1.0.15 which apparently has the fix for whatever was in the applied patch, i read somewhere the snd_hda_intel was broken in kernels before 2.6.20-10 not sure how true that is since only from one source |
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| 05:42.40 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 05:43.35 | Ben_Cs | how can i find out during installation if i have network connection? alt+ctrl+F2 to console and PING says there usn't ping app installed |
| 05:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nai, my laptop has an intel hda chip... sound worked without problems for ages... dunno if I had problems when I got it ca. 3 years ago |
| 05:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it now runs an 2.6.26 kernel |
| 05:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't remember the previous ones |
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| 05:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nai, so why did you do all this ...(and not mention it, btw.) - didnt the alsa driver load? Throw an error in dmesg? |
| 05:47.18 | Nai | CutMeOwnThroat, because there was an etch guide on a linux laptop site, where someone has the same card/laptop, but they are very vague in their instructions |
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| 05:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ben_Cs, you won't have many commands... and many of them are built in... try hitting tab a few times for a full list... |
| 05:48.11 | Nai | CutMeOwnThroat, i am running 2.6.18-6-686 ,can i install "linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalt.1-686" from apt or is that a better one for me |
| 05:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nai, if the original alsa modules loaded without error, I would suppose they work... |
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| 05:48.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure... go for the etchnhalf one if you like |
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| 05:49.13 | Nai | i dont tihnk there was error, and i can see xmms graphically displaying audio but i dont hear audio, i have alsamixer open and things seem to be turned up, except for Speaker which is "off" |
| 05:49.32 | simonrvn | unmuted too? |
| 05:49.36 | Nai | originally there was no /dev/mixer but when i did aumix -d /dev/.static/dev/mixer i think it created it |
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| 05:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I really think the alsa guys do that muting stuff because they feel lonely and/or want a lot of guys to ask questions that are easy to answer |
| 05:50.52 | Ben_Cs | CutMeOwnThroat: do you know a coomand that will show me if there's net connection? |
| 05:51.01 | Nai | i assume it's referring to external speaker? |
| 05:51.17 | simonrvn | Ben_Cs: um, ping works |
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| 05:51.25 | Nai | Ben_Cs, it's possible your $PATH doesn't contain everything yet, you could try /bin/ping |
| 05:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ben_Cs, oh yeah, was coming to that :) try /sbin/ifconfig and /sbin/route to see if networ is configured |
| 05:51.28 | simonrvn | no, computer's |
| 05:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, he's on the install disk and says it has no ping (?) |
| 05:52.15 | simonrvn | oh busybox. doesn't it have ping? i thought it did |
| 05:52.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | now, I havent used an install disk the last 5 years or so... so I wouldnt know and just believe it :) |
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| 05:53.44 | Nai | CutMeOwnThroat: should Speaker be "off" or is this inrelated to the unboard card |
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| 05:53.58 | Ben_Cs | CutMeOwnThroat , Nai: ok thanks |
| 05:54.03 | Nai | CutMeOwnThroat: should Speaker be "off" or is this unrelated to the onboard card |
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| 05:54.48 | Raven | i am trying to install dosemu, and it doesnt find it in the repos.. i even tried to compile from source but make won't work for some reason |
| 05:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... sounds like the pc speaker and what's "off"? I only know muted (MM) or unmuted |
| 05:55.11 | Nai | Ben_Cs, you can try /bin/netstat -rn (to see if your gateway is set) or /usr/bin/telnet google.com (to make connection to web server) |
| 05:55.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raven, contrib |
| 05:55.29 | Nai | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.33 | simonrvn | that works |
| 05:55.39 | Raven | i need to at that to the sources list? |
| 05:55.40 | Raven | mk |
| 05:55.52 | simonrvn | might as well set you PATH, it'll save typing |
| 05:55.56 | simonrvn | your* |
| 05:56.00 | Nai | CutMeOwnThroat, there is Headphone, PCM, Mic, Mic Boos, Beep, Docking, Input So, Input So, Internal , Internal, <Speaker> |
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| 05:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raven, add contrib after main |
| 05:56.44 | Raven | good |
| 05:56.45 | Raven | thanks |
| 05:58.09 | Nai | spills water on self |
| 05:58.12 | Nai | **** ! |
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| 05:58.37 | refu | Hi... |
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| 05:58.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nai, just unmute all you can, set volume to 80% or so |
| 05:58.58 | refu | I need your help (sorry for my bad english) |
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| 05:59.09 | Nai | CutMeOwnThroat, i have mashed every key on the keyboard how do i unmute |
| 05:59.21 | refu | I want run PES6 with wine |
| 05:59.48 | refu | but when I tiping wine PES6.exe |
| 05:59.53 | refu | appear a error |
| 05:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nai, alsamixer, go to the channel, hit m (MM appears/disappears) |
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| 06:00.26 | Nai | OK NOW MY FUCJIUG SOUND IS WORKING |
| 06:00.38 | Nai | WHAT KIND OF BS IS THAT |
| 06:00.48 | d-b | Nai: please turn caps off. |
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| 06:01.10 | Nai | they were intentionally and individually applied |
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| 06:01.25 | Nai | was i adding too much drama? |
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| 06:01.48 | Ben_Cs | CutMeOwnThroat , Nai: the only one i could find in the paths you told me was: route. it shows some info but i can't say if the network is alive |
| 06:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nai, note I didn't really tell you more than what was in the checklist... |
| 06:02.11 | Nai | Ben_Cs, does /usr/bin/find exist? |
| 06:02.47 | Ben_Cs | Nai: yes |
| 06:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ben_Cs, if route -n shows a gateway (i.e. something else for gateway than 0.0.0.0) , your network is configured.... doesn't mean it works, but is a prequisite |
| 06:03.33 | Nai | Ben_Cs, i will let CutMeOwnThroat continue to assist you, good luck |
| 06:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what, after building up all that suspense by asking for find?! |
| 06:04.12 | Ben_Cs | CutMeOwnThroat: it shows something else than 0.0.0.0 but i suspect that the installation fails bevause the connection is being dropped during installation |
| 06:04.26 | Ben_Cs | Nai: ok thanks |
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| 06:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh Nai's gone |
| 06:21.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, too late to tell him that a simple "thank you" would have sufficed instead of all that shouting :-/ |
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| 06:24.52 | nsadmin | if next time he's made to figure it out himself, when he does he only shouts at himself :) |
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| 06:26.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he tried that and it didn't work :) |
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| 06:26.44 | Mousey | ^_^ |
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| 06:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | THEN he came here to ask us |
| 06:28.33 | O__o | hello i have a sparcstation5 machine, when i am installing debian, i got stuck with this error "Your installation CDROM cant be mounted" |
| 06:28.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally people are more like... grateful and relieved if you give them the solution after they failed to get it for some days/weeks... well, but how boring would the world be if we were all alike... |
| 06:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 06:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | O__o, how are you installing it, from cdrom? |
| 06:29.27 | Ben_Cs | CutMeOwnThroat: the install finished successfully finally. i told it not to check a mirror. but i can't see the desktop. i get "out of range" from my screen. |
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| 06:29.43 | O__o | yes from cdrom |
| 06:30.00 | O__o | it boots the cd |
| 06:30.05 | O__o | but cant mount why? |
| 06:30.07 | Mousey | scsi? usb? |
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| 06:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | O__o, funny... this kind of thing always makes me wonder how it booted from it in the first place |
| 06:30.25 | O__o | i have no idea, i am new to sparc |
| 06:30.39 | Mousey | it means the kernel isn't loading the cdrom driver before passing control from the bios to the os |
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| 06:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ben_Cs, so you're (in principle) in a graphical environment now? hm, hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get back to the console |
| 06:31.01 | O__o | so how to fix it? |
| 06:31.09 | Ben_Cs | CutMeOwnThroat: in principle. got back to console |
| 06:31.11 | Mousey | got an external usb? |
| 06:31.25 | Mousey | uh external usb cdrom, i mean |
| 06:31.40 | Ben_Cs | CutMeOwnThroat: i didn't get the hang of xrandr app |
| 06:31.44 | O__o | this is a sparcstation5 |
| 06:31.46 | Mousey | oh, also, is the cdrom internal |
| 06:31.51 | O__o | from like 1995 |
| 06:31.57 | Mousey | still has usb man |
| 06:31.59 | Ben_Cs | CutMeOwnThroat: is there something easier? |
| 06:32.02 | O__o | really? |
| 06:32.05 | Mousey | check! |
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| 06:32.22 | O__o | i dont see any usb plug |
| 06:32.25 | Mousey | oh |
| 06:32.25 | Mousey | suck |
| 06:32.33 | Mousey | well it's probably a scsi drive then |
| 06:32.51 | Ben_Cs | CutMeOwnThroat: isn't there something like there was is etch: Dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 06:32.54 | Mousey | pop the hood and check the cable going to the cdrom, should be extra fat ribbon cable |
| 06:32.54 | O__o | here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARCstation_5 |
| 06:33.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think sparcs 5s had usb... can't remember, though |
| 06:33.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | they *could* have had at that time |
| 06:33.43 | Mousey | The SPARCstation 5 can hold two internal 80 pins, single ended, fast-narrow SCA SCSI drives, a SCSI CDROM and a floppy. It also supports external SCSI devices. There is no IDE/ATAPI support. |
| 06:34.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ben_Cs, sure... but how are you going to do that if not from console? |
| 06:34.30 | Mousey | scsi cdrom, dollars to donuts the scsi controller driver isn't being loaded |
| 06:34.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ben_Cs, what monitor is that, TFT? |
| 06:34.30 | O__o | how to load the driver? |
| 06:34.30 | O__o | i have nothing here |
| 06:34.30 | Mousey | big ordeal |
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| 06:35.02 | Ben_Cs | CutMeOwnThroat: yes tft. i mean do it from console. i have a console. on the console where the desktop should be i get "out of range" |
| 06:35.07 | Mousey | it essentially boils down to recompile a kernel with the driver built in, respin the boot CD with that kernel |
| 06:35.07 | Mousey | or |
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| 06:35.17 | Mousey | modprobe the proper module at boot |
| 06:35.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | O__o, btw, there's #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net ... |
| 06:35.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | that might be quite common |
| 06:35.51 | O__o | no #debian-sparc |
| 06:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've used sparcs (I think even sparc 5) and I've used Debian, but I've never used Debian on sparc :) |
| 06:35.55 | O__o | empty |
| 06:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | on oftc.net! |
| 06:36.24 | Mousey | i have |
| 06:36.25 | Mousey | works great |
| 06:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what dpkg says and dpkg is never wrong!!!!1123 |
| 06:37.01 | Mousey | debian/SPARC works wonders, better than solaris on the same hardware |
| 06:37.05 | Mousey | the trick is getting it on there |
| 06:37.18 | O__o | whats da trick? |
| 06:37.27 | Mousey | getting the controller driver installed |
| 06:37.31 | Mousey | first of all |
| 06:37.32 | O__o | how? |
| 06:37.38 | O__o | i dont have any driver here |
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| 06:38.06 | Mousey | first you need to figure out WHICH scsi controller is installed |
| 06:38.15 | Mousey | LSI? Qlogic? adaptec? etc etc |
| 06:38.27 | Mousey | then you can worry about how to install the driver |
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| 06:38.40 | O__o | LSI i believe |
| 06:38.42 | Mousey | best case scenario: the driver is already on the CD, but isn't loading at boot time |
| 06:39.10 | Mousey | worst case scenario, the driver isn't on the boot CD, and you need to either spin a new one, find one with it on there, or netboot or something |
| 06:39.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't the kernel from the boot cd use the bios to access the cd? |
| 06:39.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean you want it proper for the final system... but it'd be handy to "just work" for the install |
| 06:39.38 | Mousey | you have a chicken and egg problem. the kernel can't access the driver without the bios |
| 06:40.00 | Mousey | uh |
| 06:40.02 | Mousey | i said that wrong |
| 06:40.08 | Mousey | you have a chicken and egg problem. the kernel can't access the bios without the driver |
| 06:40.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not? |
| 06:40.40 | Mousey | that's what drivers (kernel modules) do. they interface between the kernel -> BIOS -> Hardware |
| 06:40.47 | Mousey | it's How Computers Work(tm) |
| 06:41.12 | O__o | so which distro is best for sparc? |
| 06:41.16 | Mousey | debian! |
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| 06:41.28 | Raven | u just asked that question |
| 06:41.30 | Raven | in #debian |
| 06:41.32 | Mousey | =D |
| 06:41.34 | Raven | you're nuts :P |
| 06:41.43 | Raven | goto #posix or #linux or something |
| 06:41.50 | Mousey | he's not nuts, just frustrated |
| 06:42.03 | O__o | :) |
| 06:42.19 | O__o | its okay if i cant get this to work |
| 06:42.20 | Mousey | i had this same problem with gentoo on a PPC mac |
| 06:42.25 | Raven | well, im nuts, i've been arbitrarily considering installing dos on linux and linux on dos for no apparent reason |
| 06:42.28 | O__o | it is a free machine from someone |
| 06:42.35 | Raven | i did dos on debian, dos on freebsd, considered debian on dos |
| 06:42.44 | Raven | still going.. |
| 06:42.48 | Mousey | it doesn't really matter what distro you use, it's the kernel that has the problem, and the kernel is the one thing common among all the distros |
| 06:42.52 | O__o | i have 4 other computers here i can use |
| 06:43.14 | pl4yer0ne | O__o, what are you wanting to do with this machine? |
| 06:43.20 | Mousey | O__o: the best thing to do is google for the sparcstation 5's scsi controller kernel module in linux, find out what others are using/have used, and see if it's on the installCD you have |
| 06:43.33 | pl4yer0ne | you could always try solaris/opensolaris |
| 06:43.41 | O__o | maybe just play around with sparc, never really use a sparc before personally |
| 06:43.44 | Mousey | pl4yer0ne: that's an excellent suggestion |
| 06:44.03 | Mousey | O__o: well if you make it work, you'll be Smarter(tm) |
| 06:44.13 | O__o | :D |
| 06:44.42 | Mousey | but the only way to get from "it not working" to "it working" is you.. if you stop before it works, remember it's not debian, and it's not the sparcstation 5 |
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| 06:45.07 | O__o | i know because the machine has red hat 4 in it now |
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| 06:45.15 | Mousey | oh! |
| 06:45.21 | Mousey | well you've got a head start then! |
| 06:45.22 | O__o | but i dont have login name and password |
| 06:45.29 | Mousey | boot it single user mode |
| 06:45.32 | Mousey | also |
| 06:45.43 | Mousey | you don't really even need to log in |
| 06:45.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ifrp |
| 06:45.45 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 06:45.47 | O__o | how to boot it single user mode? |
| 06:45.54 | Mousey | !ifrp |
| 06:46.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, my psychic mode works again |
| 06:46.03 | Mousey | oh, well works for some ig uess |
| 06:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | very well |
| 06:46.14 | Mousey | O__o: what dpkg said |
| 06:46.41 | Mousey | O__o: also, you don't necessarily need to log in (tho it would help), read the scrolling output of the boot messages.. look for the scsi controller's driver loading |
| 06:47.10 | O__o | press e? |
| 06:47.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, JUST be impressed, no flippant repartee! |
| 06:47.13 | O__o | where? |
| 06:47.28 | Mousey | CutMeOwnThroat: =P |
| 06:47.30 | Mousey | yo mean like that? |
| 06:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | roughly |
| 06:47.54 | pl4yer0ne | and i think you can push pause/break to stop the kernel mesaages scrolling so you can read them. (i think from memory) |
| 06:48.02 | Mousey | ctrl-s |
| 06:48.13 | Mousey | and wouldn't it be SILO? |
| 06:48.21 | Mousey | (as opposed to LILO or GRUB) |
| 06:48.31 | O__o | it is silo here |
| 06:48.34 | O__o | i think |
| 06:48.40 | Mousey | i think so too. |
| 06:48.49 | Mousey | what boot cd are you using? |
| 06:48.59 | Mousey | the netboot? or the businesscard cd? |
| 06:49.02 | Mousey | or something else |
| 06:49.06 | O__o | wait |
| 06:49.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | silo? is there a pun with grain somewhere in there? |
| 06:49.26 | O__o | i am using debian-40r6-sparc-xfce-CD-1 |
| 06:49.35 | Mousey | wow |
| 06:50.17 | blast_hardcheese | hey Mousey |
| 06:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | like *that* actually |
| 06:50.29 | Mousey | hey bl |
| 06:50.33 | Mousey | hey blast_hardcheese |
| 06:50.38 | Mousey | what are YOU doing in here? |
| 06:50.49 | blast_hardcheese | uh... I run Debian? |
| 06:50.53 | Mousey | oh |
| 06:50.57 | Mousey | srsly? |
| 06:50.57 | blast_hardcheese | heh |
| 06:51.02 | Mousey | ducks |
| 06:51.06 | blast_hardcheese | And I occasionally have issues where I require assistance |
| 06:51.08 | blast_hardcheese | ;) |
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| 06:52.11 | blast_hardcheese | For example right now, "VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or 03:01", "Please append a correct "root=" boot option", "Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:01" |
| 06:52.13 | karsten | gooses Mousey |
| 06:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey, I'm here |
| 06:52.49 | blast_hardcheese | Trying to boot Debian 3.1 on a 486 laptop off a PCMCIA Flash disk |
| 06:52.54 | karsten | gooses CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:53.04 | Ben_Cs | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for your help. i'm off |
| 06:53.06 | pl4yer0ne | blast_hardcheese, sounds like it doesnt have the driver for your root disk in the initrd |
| 06:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and goosing myself |
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| 06:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that was quick |
| 06:53.20 | fallenwrk | have set a crontab backuping of oracle and now praying |
| 06:53.24 | Mousey | karsten: woo! |
| 06:53.30 | Mousey | chases karsten |
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| 06:53.39 | karsten | trips Mousey |
| 06:53.59 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: oh wow, you're hosed |
| 06:54.07 | trophaeum | is there an easy way to install xcache in php in debian without having to do it by source? |
| 06:54.19 | blast_hardcheese | pl4yer0ne: Hmmmmm. That makes me sad. |
| 06:54.25 | trophaeum | (etch) |
| 06:54.36 | Mousey | enjoys his trip, and collects souvineer toothpick umbrellas for karsten |
| 06:54.39 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: There goes my awesome strategy |
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| 06:54.54 | xoz_ | blast_hardcheese: pcmcia boot is never easy |
| 06:55.16 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: pl4yer0ne just means respin an initrd image WITH the requisite driver! |
| 06:55.29 | Mousey | it's not rocket surgery! |
| 06:55.45 | karsten | blast_hardcheese: Whatt's the boot manager for that? ISOLINUX or GRUB? |
| 06:55.50 | blast_hardcheese | Grub |
| 06:55.57 | pl4yer0ne | or its possible that its looking for root on hda1 and its now sda1 or something like that |
| 06:56.17 | karsten | blast_hardcheese: You should be able to go into the grub commandline and see what devices are showing up there. Is this a stock or compiled kernel? |
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| 06:56.28 | blast_hardcheese | Hmmmmmm, that's true actually; If it loads PCMCIA drivers it would stop being hda and start being something else |
| 06:56.30 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: what karsten is easier to do |
| 06:56.32 | karsten | blast_hardcheese: what pl4yer0ne said as well. |
| 06:56.45 | karsten | Heh. |
| 06:56.48 | karsten | Mousey: Tag, you're it. |
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| 06:56.55 | Mousey | dammit i type too slow |
| 06:56.59 | blast_hardcheese | karsten: The device is hd0 in grub |
| 06:57.12 | Mousey | at boot maybe, but does it STAY hd0? |
| 06:57.19 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: that was the point I made above |
| 06:57.20 | Mousey | (which is what they're trying to say) |
| 06:57.24 | pl4yer0ne | and in grub thats pretty easy to check, just hit e to edit the line and change it then enter and b to boot |
| 06:57.25 | karsten | blast_hardcheese: What's the boot dev? hd0 is *ONLY* GRUB's representation of it. |
| 06:57.35 | karsten | blast_hardcheese: I'd try /dev/sda1 for shins'n'grits. |
| 06:57.38 | blast_hardcheese | karsten: Oh, you can see that in grub? |
| 06:58.01 | karsten | blast_hardcheese: No. GRUB is actually its own OS with its own representation of drives. |
| 06:58.04 | blast_hardcheese | I thought grub only showed what grub saw the world as |
| 06:58.05 | blast_hardcheese | right |
| 06:58.10 | Mousey | my grub-fu isn't good enough to say "type -this- and it'll list all the drives grub sees" |
| 06:58.30 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: I was having difficulty just getting grub on the freakin disk |
| 06:58.43 | Mousey | well sounds like you're part way there =) |
| 06:58.47 | blast_hardcheese | grub-install'd multiple times, setup (hd1)'d multiple times as well. |
| 06:58.56 | Mousey | hd1??! |
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| 06:59.05 | gh0st3r | hey? |
| 06:59.06 | blast_hardcheese | Installing grub from a different machine |
| 06:59.08 | blast_hardcheese | one that boots |
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| 06:59.15 | blast_hardcheese | hd1 on that machine |
| 06:59.22 | StanManCan | is it just tar -zxf to unzip a .tar.gz |
| 06:59.22 | StanManCan | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.31 | blast_hardcheese | StanManCan: Yes |
| 06:59.37 | blast_hardcheese | -xzf |
| 06:59.38 | gh0st3r | ok im trying to set up 2 loopbacks... one normal one (127.0.0.1) and another loopback (10.1.5.1) |
| 06:59.41 | Mousey | StanManCan: yes, add v for fun and excitement |
| 06:59.48 | StanManCan | whats v do ? |
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| 06:59.52 | gh0st3r | how do i set up a second loopback in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:00.00 | Mousey | StanManCan: lists whatall is being untarr'd |
| 07:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | blast_hardcheese, exactly... it's "hell no, that feels wrong" for zxf :) |
| 07:00.05 | gh0st3r | StanManCan, verbose |
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| 07:00.12 | StanManCan | ah |
| 07:00.14 | StanManCan | should of guessed |
| 07:00.17 | StanManCan | thanks :) |
| 07:00.24 | blast_hardcheese | CutMeOwnThroat: hehe, I was going to explain that f should be the last arg, but I cbf'd |
| 07:00.57 | blast_hardcheese | also, "xzf" feels so much more natural, "extract zip file" |
| 07:01.03 | gh0st3r | Can anyone help? |
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| 07:01.39 | karsten | blast_hardcheese: Truth that GRUB onlhy sees its view of the world, but that includes ATA, SATA, PATA, and SCSI drives IIRC. (Not LVM though, f'rex). |
| 07:02.00 | karsten | blast_hardcheese: Grub *does* have very cool tab completion though. Of commands and devices. |
| 07:02.32 | gh0st3r | Can anyone help with setting up an extra loopback? |
| 07:02.33 | karsten | blast_hardcheese: You should be able to interactively edit the 'kernel' line and modify it to read "root=/dev/sda1" and attempt booting. |
| 07:02.45 | blast_hardcheese | karsten: Yes, which makes typing on this ultra-tiny keyboard _much_ easier. |
| 07:02.55 | pl4yer0ne | evening all |
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| 07:03.30 | blast_hardcheese | Trying sda1 now |
| 07:03.45 | karsten | blast_hardcheese: OK. |
| 07:03.58 | blast_hardcheese | F-F-FAIL'D |
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| 07:04.08 | xoz_ | blast_hardcheese: if your root is in pmcia, then the kernel should have the pcmcia driver statically compiled. |
| 07:04.13 | blast_hardcheese | Same error, except sda1 and 08:01 |
| 07:04.29 | xoz_ | blast_hardcheese: you have to customize your kernel. |
| 07:04.33 | blast_hardcheese | xoz_: Somehow I doubt the Debian 3.1 installer kernel has that set up |
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| 07:04.59 | blast_hardcheese | oh wait a minute, |
| 07:05.06 | trophaeum | how do i add a command to startup on etch? i have a new script in init.d, just need to add it to boot |
| 07:05.18 | xoz_ | blast_hardcheese: all deb kernel are module-based. so you have to do it on your own. that's why i said a while ago pcmcia boot is not straightforward. |
| 07:05.28 | blast_hardcheese | Do Flash-based PCMCIA Type-II cards expose a different kind of disk than PCMCIA Type-III HDD based cards? |
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| 07:05.48 | blast_hardcheese | xoz_: I have a type-3 that boots the Debian 2 installer with no problems |
| 07:05.54 | simonrvn | gh0st3r: why? |
| 07:05.58 | blast_hardcheese | I had completely forgotten about that |
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| 07:06.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell trophaeum -about init.d |
| 07:07.06 | gh0st3r | simonrvn, i need another interface for vmware |
| 07:07.20 | gh0st3r | simonrvn, i need to use it for firewall reasons |
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| 07:07.25 | Mousey | gh0st3r: ifup lo1 ip.ad.dd.re.ss |
| 07:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | trophaeum, mind you don't need that for debian packages - also mind that using the package is very much preferred if there is one |
| 07:07.27 | xoz_ | blast_hardcheese: you can check in the boot sequence if your pcmcia is detected. |
| 07:07.44 | gh0st3r | Mousey, how would i set it up in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:07.55 | gh0st3r | like auto lo0? |
| 07:08.01 | gh0st3r | iface lo0 inet static? |
| 07:08.02 | blast_hardcheese | hahaha, this laptop came with Windows 3.1 |
| 07:08.03 | trophaeum | CutMeOwnThroat, just trying to make sure memcache runs on boot |
| 07:08.06 | blast_hardcheese | awesome laptop is awesome |
| 07:08.10 | blast_hardcheese | Time for some Minesweeper! |
| 07:08.15 | xoz_ | blast_hardcheese: you have to check where is the problem first... is it the driver? if detected, did you use the correct naming in grub? |
| 07:08.42 | trophaeum | which it seems it does, thanks guys |
| 07:08.46 | Mousey | gh0st3r: donno. what you're doing is somehow Wrong(tm) and it's why you will have a hard time accomplishing it.. there's a Right(tm) way to do it.. i donno what it is. =) |
| 07:08.46 | xoz_ | blast_hardcheese: try live-cd first. |
| 07:08.57 | gh0st3r | Mousey, hahaha |
| 07:08.59 | blast_hardcheese | xoz_: unfortunately since it's not just a simple fix I'll just qemu it |
| 07:09.04 | gh0st3r | im guessing i guess :P |
| 07:09.04 | xoz_ | blast_hardcheese: then you can install to pcmcia later. |
| 07:09.05 | gh0st3r | hahaha |
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| 07:09.35 | xoz_ | blast_hardcheese: you have no internal hd? |
| 07:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | trophaeum, memcache as in "apt-cache show memcached"? |
| 07:09.53 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: is this that tablet you got from japan? |
| 07:10.09 | trophaeum | CutMeOwnThroat, ya |
| 07:10.14 | blast_hardcheese | xoz_: That's a complicated answer, my bios recognizes PCMCIA, CF, and the internal 4mb storage as ATA disks |
| 07:10.19 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: Nah, the Palmtop |
| 07:10.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | trophaeum, then use the package |
| 07:10.25 | xoz_ | blast_hardcheese: it is better you use a small portion of your internal hd to boot and for root and use the pcmcia disk for /usr and other dirs |
| 07:10.26 | Mousey | oh.. nm then |
| 07:10.29 | Mousey | i almost cared =) |
| 07:10.35 | trophaeum | CutMeOwnThroat, yup, i have, its all working now, thanks |
| 07:10.38 | bolt | I set up a config file for lm-sensors, making an /etc/fancontrol and ran /etc/init.d/fancontrol restart, producing no errors. still, the fans keep running at full speed?! pwmconfig was able to control both of them just fine when i set up the config file with it |
| 07:10.42 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: Dood holy crap, Japanese minesweeper shoots missiles at you |
| 07:10.51 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: what xoz_ said |
| 07:11.09 | Mousey | ..and wouldn't that be misslesweeper? |
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| 07:11.17 | blast_hardcheese | xoz_: Nah, I'm trying to boot the installer off PCMCIA to install :< |
| 07:11.35 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: not impossible, just means learning some initrd-fu |
| 07:11.48 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: I was joking about all the old NES games from Japan that were dumbed down for american gamers |
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| 07:11.59 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: oh |
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| 07:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | trophaeum, always look for packages first... "/msg dpkg search" for how to search for them |
| 07:12.22 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: we'll go over how to build custom initrd's at SCALE if you're still having this problem when i get to LA |
| 07:12.41 | xoz_ | blast_hardcheese: you have to doodle with the custom kernel i think. |
| 07:12.49 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: Thank you sir, I'll be playing with this laptop at the booth |
| 07:12.53 | Mousey | k |
| 07:13.01 | blast_hardcheese | actually, both of them, since I have two now. |
| 07:13.20 | Mousey | *cough*retrofag*cough* |
| 07:13.28 | Mousey | O=) |
| 07:13.35 | blast_hardcheese | heeeyyyyyyyyyyyy now |
| 07:13.40 | Mousey | ^_________________^ |
| 07:13.54 | blast_hardcheese | this thing is freakin cool :D |
| 07:13.54 | blast_hardcheese | I've shown you pictures, right? |
| 07:14.03 | Mousey | i'm afraid really |
| 07:14.09 | blast_hardcheese | Oh come on |
| 07:14.13 | Mousey | i wanna get that tablet working tho, that shit's CF too |
| 07:14.27 | blast_hardcheese | yeah, I've got all the tablet CFs sitting out on my table =__= |
| 07:14.41 | Mousey | will it take 16BG? |
| 07:14.43 | blast_hardcheese | Lemme boot up my camera and take some pictures of this thing |
| 07:14.47 | Mousey | GB, even |
| 07:14.58 | blast_hardcheese | Not sure, I hope so, I've got a 16 gig in one right now |
| 07:14.58 | Mousey | yay g33k pr0ns |
| 07:15.00 | blast_hardcheese | no OS on it yet |
| 07:15.15 | Mousey | bring that too, if we can get that going, i'll have a woody for sure |
| 07:15.18 | Mousey | *ahem*, i mean an etch |
| 07:15.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks some people get carried away here |
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| 07:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | not a squeeze? |
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| 07:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, not a squeeze?! |
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| 07:17.40 | Mousey | whats a squeeze? (or do i wanna know) |
| 07:17.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !squeeze |
| 07:17.47 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 07:17.54 | Mousey | oh |
| 07:17.55 | bolt | nevermind. solved it. turns out /etc/init.d/fancontrol doesn't print config errors to the console. running fancontrol manually does. :) |
| 07:17.56 | Mousey | THE CLAW |
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| 07:18.18 | Mousey | CutMeOwnThroat: honestly, if you saw how i ran debian, you'd probably have me kicked |
| 07:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, in a treadmill? |
| 07:18.40 | Mousey | i run stable/testing/unstable all at once, with apt.conf set to testing as default.. |
| 07:18.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, oh... that's unusual? :) |
| 07:18.59 | Mousey | i hope not |
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| 07:19.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi all, i've just installed a laptop and about half the 'special' buttons (fn+{1..9}) work. is there a particular process for filing bugs on those that dont work? |
| 07:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, I think it might be unusal that you know about it :) |
| 07:19.15 | bolt | I do that |
| 07:19.17 | Mousey | http://ross154.net/~mprov/MASTER.sources.list |
| 07:19.28 | Mousey | thank god, i thought i was a freak |
| 07:19.48 | Mousey | i had people at debian booths calling me nuts. i'm like.. how do you run debian another way in good conscience?? |
| 07:19.50 | bolt | all it takes is making damn sure what apt-get/aptitude is up to |
| 07:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, did you already /msg dpkg bobbitt ? |
| 07:20.10 | Mousey | apt-get -t unstable install <packages> |
| 07:20.17 | Mousey | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | works better without the space, though |
| 07:20.44 | Mousey | thats misguided |
| 07:20.48 | Mousey | imho |
| 07:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, no |
| 07:21.20 | Mousey | altho i agree about rpm and alien |
| 07:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ever tried to solve a dependency hell problem for a noob remotely? |
| 07:22.07 | Mousey | yea it goes something like this: "see the package it's complaining about? do apt-get -t unstable install <list of packages> with the broken ones listed put an - after it |
| 07:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is a package? |
| 07:22.53 | Mousey | seriously. if i ever catch n00bs using debian, i reformat their machines and point them to ubuntu, with instructions to call me when they grow up |
| 07:23.18 | nsadmin | Mousey: well ok... let's see... so you could... compile gcc, binutils, make... then compile libc and all other libs... then compile anything you want against those libs... |
| 07:23.19 | bolt | started out with debian. kind of stuck. |
| 07:23.22 | nsadmin | oh wait... |
| 07:23.27 | nsadmin | debian does that for you |
| 07:23.54 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: awwwww, I didn't know you cared |
| 07:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, and really, mixing stable and testing is a bad idea... libc versions differ quite a lot |
| 07:24.08 | nsadmin | the thing is, that because debian builds the packages using specific versions of compilers and libs, |
| 07:24.10 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: you're lucky i didn't suggest YOU start with ubuntu ;) |
| 07:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would they want to start with ubuntu? |
| 07:24.41 | blast_hardcheese | I started with Debian, I heard about Ubuntu, decided to try it, formatted it right after the login sound finished playing. |
| 07:24.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian is more stable... |
| 07:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 07:24.56 | Mousey | CutMeOwnThroat: seriously, install from netinst, add my sources.list, and apt.conf, which makes testing the default, then install everything you care about from unstable |
| 07:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | blast_hardcheese, ok, you got me laughing |
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| 07:25.29 | Mousey | CutMeOwnThroat: they'd want to start with ubuntu because they're n00bs |
| 07:25.35 | nsadmin | and those libs are -dynamic-, the issue of versioning becomes more significant as something that was compiled against a later version of the libs than you have is not likely to work |
| 07:25.47 | Mousey | if you're talking to someone who doesn't know what a PACKAGE is, they need a distro that fits their profile |
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| 07:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, you mean they want more broken packages, because that reminds them of Microsoft? |
| 07:25.53 | bolt | people who start out with ubuntu whine about everything they have to do manually in debian |
| 07:26.15 | nsadmin | Mousey: I see, so we try to fit every user's profile |
| 07:26.21 | bolt | or, maybe not even have to anymore. i always start out with a base install anyway |
| 07:26.27 | Mousey | bolt: yah, i've been saying for years "ubuntu" is an ancient african word that means "for people who don't wanna install debian package by package" |
| 07:26.51 | bolt | i don't think african is a language |
| 07:26.58 | nsadmin | Mousey: but as you know that statement isn't actually true anymore |
| 07:27.01 | Mousey | nsadmin: no the whole point of having a trillion distros is so we can fit the trillions of type of users and needs otu there |
| 07:27.29 | Mousey | bolt: touche' |
| 07:27.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought debian is for people who don't want to upgrade their system rpm by rpm |
| 07:27.41 | Mousey | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, i guess i am a freak after all |
| 07:27.44 | nsadmin | Mousey: I can understand that... but don't expect combinations of distributions to work |
| 07:27.55 | nsadmin | for reasons I already stated |
| 07:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, "work" is relative |
| 07:28.05 | Mousey | but i maintain that no debian system i've ever built for any architecture has given me an unsurmountable package or library problem |
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| 07:28.32 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: and it ranges from "small problems" to "not at all" |
| 07:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed :) |
| 07:29.00 | Mousey | nobody expects the spanish inquisition |
| 07:29.10 | Mousey | but that's what i get when i say lol, lookie it works! |
| 07:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | still - IMO it doesn't hurt to try mixing if the package you're mixing in doesn't pull in a million of dependencies |
| 07:29.35 | nsadmin | and nobody expected the spanish inquisition to be german... |
| 07:29.40 | Mousey | works great, especailly when unstable want something not in unstable it gets it from testing.. oh, not in testing either, then it gets it from stable |
| 07:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | so specially if it's a single package your chances are pretty good |
| 07:30.07 | Mousey | seriously, i start with the 153 MB netinst cd |
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| 07:30.17 | Mousey | add the multi branch sources list |
| 07:30.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah gets it from stable, then doesn't work because of wrong libraries |
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| 07:30.21 | Mousey | and apt-get -t unstable everythign else |
| 07:30.26 | Mousey | but it wORKS |
| 07:30.29 | Mousey | WORKS WORKS WORKS |
| 07:30.31 | Mousey | in fact |
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| 07:30.37 | Mousey | i challange you to find me an instance where it doesn't work |
| 07:30.41 | Mousey | then i'll be like oik |
| 07:30.44 | Mousey | i'm a dumbtard |
| 07:30.46 | nsadmin | Mousey: there are certain periods of time where each of those could work well generally... but after that they diverge more and more until they don't work at all |
| 07:31.06 | Mousey | so far, since potato that hasn't been the case for me |
| 07:31.30 | nsadmin | Mousey: run potato now and try current sid or experimental packages |
| 07:31.33 | Mousey | why? |
| 07:31.35 | Mousey | and no |
| 07:31.38 | Mousey | no experimental |
| 07:31.40 | Mousey | THEN it BREAKS |
| 07:31.46 | Mousey | no volatile either |
| 07:31.49 | pro | hi guys, anyone know a good way i can keep a record of the traffic passing through a linux box, if it has a reports system that management can look at that would be great too? |
| 07:31.50 | nsadmin | what, you're not up for a challenge? |
| 07:31.55 | Mousey | i'm up for a working system |
| 07:31.57 | Mousey | not a challange |
| 07:32.09 | nsadmin | you didn't say that before :P |
| 07:32.14 | Mousey | the stable/testing/unstable combination WORKS and is not a challange |
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| 07:32.18 | nsadmin | but I digress... |
| 07:32.41 | nsadmin | there's no guarantee of that |
| 07:32.48 | nsadmin | but good luck over time :) |
| 07:32.55 | bolt | pro: grab old box. stuff ipcop or smoothwall on it. make nice graphs. show management. imply lots of manual labour. get paid. |
| 07:32.56 | Mousey | been great since 1999 |
| 07:33.19 | sepski | pro, "record of the traffic passing" ? tcpdump to a file, let management read that file with a web browser ? |
| 07:33.31 | sepski | pro, they'll only look at it once but :) |
| 07:33.41 | Mousey | pro: splunk |
| 07:33.42 | pro | bolt, I cant do that, i have a debian box doing it all at the moment |
| 07:33.47 | nsadmin | Mousey: one failure to guarantee is: such a system is not supported |
| 07:33.57 | bolt | pro: VM? :P |
| 07:33.58 | pro | sepski, geee, thanks |
| 07:34.01 | nsadmin | so if it fails on you... oh well... |
| 07:34.10 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: http://whattheflash.com/~blast_hardcheese/pc110/ |
| 07:34.18 | Mousey | nsadmin: support? now you want support? use ubuntu or redhat or SUSE |
| 07:34.20 | Mousey | or windows |
| 07:34.24 | Mousey | they have support numbers you can call |
| 07:34.30 | Mousey | worth every penny i'm sure |
| 07:34.51 | Mousey | i've supported debian stable/testing/unstable myself in enterprise environments for years |
| 07:34.53 | pro | bolt, im trying to find something i can apt-get, or even build, maybe i'll just write my own |
| 07:35.12 | pro | but i was hoping there would be something |
| 07:35.21 | Mousey | pro: ntop |
| 07:35.47 | pro | Mousey, that only shows the past 24 hours though? |
| 07:35.52 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: This is the thing I'm trying to install on :) http://whattheflash.com/~blast_hardcheese/pc110/img_3292.sized.jpg |
| 07:35.54 | Mousey | pro: bzzzt, try again |
| 07:36.08 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: i know, i saw jeffgus's years ago |
| 07:36.17 | blast_hardcheese | yeah, that bastard |
| 07:36.19 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: tho i must say, he never tried to put linux on it ^_^ |
| 07:36.21 | bolt | pro: http://www.slugsite.com/archives/368 looked relevant to me |
| 07:36.28 | nsadmin | I didn't say I did... but what I am saying is such combinations are not supported... and while no one (for example here) has to answer anything, trying to answer questions about combinations like you're describing is ridiculous since at best the behavior is undefined and at worst you could be corrupting your filesystems |
| 07:36.30 | blast_hardcheese | Well, I've already got linux on mine |
| 07:36.34 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: we'll fsck with it, bring it to SCALE |
| 07:36.36 | blast_hardcheese | One of them anyway. |
| 07:36.38 | xoz_ | pro: try ntop? |
| 07:36.41 | pro | Mousey, not by default? i have looked at it a few times, i have never seen stats older than 24 hours |
| 07:36.42 | blast_hardcheese | Sounds good. |
| 07:36.50 | xoz_ | !info ntop |
| 07:36.54 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: memtest of 8 megs of ram never flew so fast |
| 07:36.56 | pro | xoz, thank you |
| 07:37.06 | pro | xoz_, thank you |
| 07:37.12 | bolt | blast_hardcheese: i'll steal that when you're not watching. |
| 07:37.13 | dpkg | ntop: (display network usage in web browser), section net, is optional. Version: 3:3.3-11+b2 (sid), Packaged size: 4416 kB, Installed size: 14508 kB |
| 07:37.19 | blast_hardcheese | bolt: :3 |
| 07:37.23 | nsadmin | 8... megs? wow, so just the kernel? |
| 07:37.28 | Mousey | nsadmin: right.. well.. my experience is just words. try it for yourself, that's all i can tell you.. it works fine, has worked ever since i've used debian.. and i've been doing this a long time now |
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| 07:37.40 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: that's why I'm still on 2.2 |
| 07:38.01 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: oh!! finally! a rational reason for using 2.2! |
| 07:38.09 | blast_hardcheese | however, my new one just came with the coveted 16 meg module, for a whopping total of 20 MB of ram! |
| 07:38.16 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: you have my vote |
| 07:38.23 | nsadmin | blast_ and no x, right? |
| 07:38.42 | Mousey | goes back to work, cheers |
| 07:38.46 | blast_hardcheese | There are actually specs for wiring up a 32 meg memory chip for this thing, |
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| 07:39.06 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: There are tutorials for getting X running, but you need the 20 meg model which I now have |
| 07:39.12 | blast_hardcheese | I will have X running at scale, hopefully. |
| 07:39.15 | pro | bolt, thank you, but im trying to log a different graph/report per computer on the network and pref. the protocols too, bandwidthd is nice though |
| 07:39.21 | karsten | trophaeum: update-rc.d if you didn't get that answer already. |
| 07:39.36 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese, you won't like the performance... can you say constant deep swappage? |
| 07:39.48 | trophaeum | karsten, i did, thx though, debian is a bit of a learning curve from fedora ill give it that |
| 07:40.00 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: Not if I build everything from scratch! |
| 07:40.02 | blast_hardcheese | :D |
| 07:40.14 | nsadmin | oh, ok :) so it |
| 07:40.20 | nsadmin | will be slackwarelike? |
| 07:40.24 | blast_hardcheese | I compiled 2.4.something on it, it took all night and half of the next day |
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| 07:40.54 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: it won't be as bad as all that, it'll be swap on FLASH! ^_^ |
| 07:41.02 | blast_hardcheese | Totally! |
| 07:41.14 | Mousey | the bottleneck will be the drive bus |
| 07:41.15 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 07:41.20 | bolt | pro: cacti? |
| 07:41.30 | blast_hardcheese | I actually bought a 16 gig CF card for this, I scaled back to a 4 |
| 07:41.37 | blast_hardcheese | upgraded my tablet :3 |
| 07:41.59 | pro | i think im just going to write something with iptables and php, should be hard |
| 07:42.37 | xoz_ | pro: ntop is not enough? |
| 07:43.18 | bolt | !cacti |
| 07:43.18 | dpkg | i guess cacti is a full network graphing solution designed to harness the power of RRDTool's data storage and graphing functionality. It provides a fast poller, advanced graph templating, multiple data acquisition methods, and user management features out of the box. All of this is wrapped in an intuitive, easy to use interface that makes sense for LAN-sized installations up to complex networks with hundreds of devices. cacti.net |
| 07:43.29 | pro | xoz_, its ok, but i have never seen how to record stuff for longer than 24 hours |
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| 07:43.48 | xoz_ | pro: it records weeks, months, and even years. |
| 07:44.10 | pro | xoz_, how? |
| 07:44.32 | xoz_ | pro: http://www.ntop.org/overview.html |
| 07:45.16 | pro | xoz_, i;ll have a look, thank you |
| 07:46.13 | xoz_ | pro: it uses rrd to record data... http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/gallery/index.en.html |
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| 07:46.49 | StanManCan | wow |
| 07:46.55 | StanManCan | did a complete re-install and same fucking problem |
| 07:46.57 | pro | xoz_, i know rrdtool i use it for lots of other stuff |
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| 07:47.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I was just going to give StanManCan some brilliant advice, but he's gone |
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| 07:50.39 | nsadmin | you mean like "installing any given os does not guarantee it will work"? |
| 07:51.38 | bolt | since when does a reinstall solve every problem? |
| 07:51.45 | bolt | ah. since windows. |
| 07:51.50 | Mousey | mean! |
| 07:51.54 | Mousey | (but funny) |
| 07:52.12 | Mousey | goes back to work, as he doesn't intend to be helpful, and nobody appreciates trolls |
| 07:52.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mean? |
| 07:52.13 | nsadmin | no, that just solves confusion when the user moves the mouse |
| 07:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's true |
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| 07:52.36 | blast_hardcheese | I enjoy not having any driver support in base Windows XP, so a reinstall actually leaves me with more problems than I started with |
| 07:53.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | blasted_hardcheese, someone should have told me that couple of weeks ago :) |
| 07:53.15 | Mousey | buys blast_hardcheese an apple |
| 07:53.17 | Mousey | ...oh wait |
| 07:53.23 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: I've got plenty |
| 07:53.29 | Mousey | gags |
| 07:53.34 | Mousey | sinner! |
| 07:53.49 | Mousey | my apple runs linux =D |
| 07:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you run xp on an apple? |
| 07:53.55 | nsadmin | if the apple is a macbook pro, buy me one too! |
| 07:53.59 | blast_hardcheese | Actually I went and showed my highschool teachers that I refused to use OSX and they refused to talk to me |
| 07:54.09 | blast_hardcheese | s/showed/told/ |
| 07:54.12 | Mousey | blasphemous_hardcheese: i get it now |
| 07:54.32 | Mousey | is supposed to be working, ta ta |
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| 07:54.54 | blast_hardcheese | What was amusing was the reason I started using Linux as my main OS was because NFS support under OSX blew, |
| 07:55.10 | blast_hardcheese | I switched to Debian and stuff just worked (after many hours of configuration ;) ) |
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| 07:55.38 | blast_hardcheese | the difference is that many hours of configuration would be many months of tinkering with the underbelly of OSX to figure out how to do the same thing. |
| 07:57.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | still installing linux doesn't put more buttons on your Mousey |
| 07:58.11 | bolt | there's always command-click |
| 07:58.50 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, that is an issue actually |
| 07:58.53 | dondelelcaro | you can also just use multiple fingers |
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| 07:58.59 | blast_hardcheese | it makes using xmonad very difficult. |
| 07:59.08 | blast_hardcheese | dondelelcaro: Not on a 12" PowerBook G4 |
| 07:59.25 | dondelelcaro | blast_hardcheese: if it has a synaptic mousepad, yes. |
| 07:59.44 | blast_hardcheese | ADB Trackpad ftw? |
| 07:59.50 | dondelelcaro | (I'd have to know which 12" powerbook g4 model to know for sure) |
| 07:59.57 | blast_hardcheese | the 867mhz |
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| 08:00.20 | blast_hardcheese | The trackpad is actually on an ADB bus |
| 08:00.21 | dondelelcaro | blast_hardcheese: that does multiple mouse buttons using a keypress instead, iirc. |
| 08:00.38 | blast_hardcheese | dondelelcaro: Right, using mouseemu |
| 08:00.42 | blast_hardcheese | which, unfortunately, sucks |
| 08:00.52 | dondelelcaro | well, it was a kernel patch originally; no clue what it is now |
| 08:01.00 | blast_hardcheese | Some kind of daemon |
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| 08:01.06 | blast_hardcheese | which crashes occasionally |
| 08:01.09 | blast_hardcheese | and takes X with it |
| 08:01.11 | Mousey | there's always CIFS |
| 08:01.15 | Mousey | NFS sucks |
| 08:01.18 | Mousey | hides |
| 08:01.22 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: meh |
| 08:01.29 | blast_hardcheese | NFS makes me feel 1337 |
| 08:01.32 | blast_hardcheese | ;) |
| 08:02.12 | blast_hardcheese | although admittedly samba configuration would be nicer for what I need it to do |
| 08:02.14 | Mousey | i wish somebody would fix libsynaptic and ksynaptic support |
| 08:02.21 | epsilon | nfs is pure quick'n'dirty |
| 08:02.27 | dondelelcaro | Mousey: consider yourself nominated |
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| 08:02.42 | Mousey | dondelelcaro: i lack the knowing-how-to-program prerequisite |
| 08:02.45 | blast_hardcheese | epsilon: What do the pros use? |
| 08:02.57 | blast_hardcheese | braindumps to Mousey |
| 08:02.58 | Mousey | putting me squarely in the all-i-can-has-is-bitching camp |
| 08:02.59 | blast_hardcheese | go do it |
| 08:03.00 | dondelelcaro | blast_hardcheese: there still isn't a /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button* anymore? |
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| 08:03.16 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: great, now i know everything but how to program device drivers |
| 08:03.20 | Mousey | don't get me started ;) |
| 08:03.38 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: Hey, I've read half of the first chapter of LKM ^^ |
| 08:03.42 | dondelelcaro | blast_hardcheese: yeah, it still exists. Use that instead of the mouseemu garbage. |
| 08:03.45 | Mousey | awesome, me too |
| 08:03.53 | Mousey | blast_hardcheese: and i bet you understood more of it than me |
| 08:04.07 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: Yeah, it actually looked relatively straightforward, |
| 08:04.29 | Mousey | fuck, i was sucked into this again |
| 08:04.33 | blast_hardcheese | I just needed to read the source to some real modules |
| 08:04.41 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, I know, I'm supposed to be writing iPhone apps >:| |
| 08:04.50 | Mousey | laughing out loud |
| 08:05.06 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: What time is it up there? |
| 08:05.07 | Mousey | debian runs on the iPhone =) |
| 08:05.19 | blast_hardcheese | No, _LINUX_ runs on the iPhone. |
| 08:05.23 | blast_hardcheese | with limited drivers. |
| 08:05.29 | blast_hardcheese | and no framebuffer |
| 08:05.33 | Mousey | *gasp* |
| 08:05.53 | Mousey | can you get a shell? |
| 08:05.58 | blast_hardcheese | over USB, yeah |
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| 08:06.06 | Mousey | hurray! didn't waste your monies then |
| 08:06.10 | blast_hardcheese | :) |
| 08:06.16 | blast_hardcheese | Not my monies |
| 08:06.20 | Mousey | even bettar! |
| 08:06.24 | blast_hardcheese | ino! |
| 08:06.29 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 08:06.33 | blast_hardcheese | ^^ |
| 08:06.58 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: Oh, one last thing and I go back to coding |
| 08:07.09 | Mousey | crap, i can't find a one character smily |
| 08:07.12 | Mousey | smiley |
| 08:07.21 | blast_hardcheese | シ |
| 08:07.22 | blast_hardcheese | muahaha |
| 08:07.26 | lumis | lol |
| 08:07.32 | streuner_ | hands Mousey a :-P |
| 08:07.34 | Mousey | katakana fail |
| 08:07.40 | Mousey | but funny |
| 08:07.56 | blast_hardcheese | Mousey: I now have access to 2TB of anime, |
| 08:08.04 | Mousey | that's it?? you're catching up!! |
| 08:08.04 | blast_hardcheese | and old TV shows |
| 08:08.06 | blast_hardcheese | and stuffs |
| 08:08.09 | Mousey | dude, hentai doesn't count |
| 08:08.27 | blast_hardcheese | sweats |
| 08:08.31 | Mousey | i thot you didn't watch ahime |
| 08:08.38 | Mousey | or whatever it is |
| 08:08.44 | blast_hardcheese | ahime? |
| 08:08.58 | blast_hardcheese | anime princess? |
| 08:09.16 | Mousey | Princess Hime! |
| 08:09.19 | Mousey | believe it |
| 08:09.23 | blast_hardcheese | snickers |
| 08:09.53 | blast_hardcheese | anyway; I've replaced Anime with Max Headroom, but seeing as I've finished that I've gone back to Otaku Jdramas, then I will go back to Animu. |
| 08:10.08 | blast_hardcheese | after Animu I will go back to MST3k, I'm halfway through season 3 |
| 08:10.10 | Mousey | thinks . o O ( weeaboo! ) |
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| 08:10.28 | blast_hardcheese | Nah, not weeaboo, just media whoer |
| 08:10.30 | blast_hardcheese | *whore |
| 08:10.55 | blast_hardcheese | cant wait until his 750 gig drives come |
| 08:10.57 | Mousey | goes away |
| 08:11.02 | blast_hardcheese | does as well. |
| 08:11.30 | xoz_ | replaces Mousey with rodents |
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| 08:21.15 | Ip_Man | can i somehow format microSD to Reiser or ext filesystem? |
| 08:21.25 | Ip_Man | sry 4 my english btw |
| 08:22.19 | liable | sure, its just like any other drive |
| 08:22.45 | Ip_Man | i guess i have to man mkfs? |
| 08:22.47 | Ip_Man | (: |
| 08:23.04 | liable | aye, mkfs.ext3 or whichever |
| 08:23.26 | lumis | mkfs.reiserfs device :) |
| 08:23.26 | Ip_Man | thx |
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| 08:24.16 | Ip_Man | uhm i have .xfs, .ext2\3 |
| 08:24.17 | liable | you'll need to run fdisk/cfdisk first |
| 08:24.18 | Ip_Man | but |
| 08:24.33 | Ip_Man | i have not reiser |
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| 08:24.45 | liable | apt-cache search reiser |
| 08:24.48 | Ip_Man | it is kinda slow on read\write |
| 08:24.56 | Ip_Man | what is the best choice? |
| 08:25.09 | jaggz- | anything in particular I should know about the final dist-upgrade command (full-upgrade)? I'm installing from within X for instance, and surprised it works without dying so far. |
| 08:25.38 | Mousey | the surprises are yet to come |
| 08:25.40 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 08:25.43 | liable | Ip_Man: FS probably wont make much difference, sd readers are just slow |
| 08:25.55 | Ip_Man | i c... |
| 08:25.56 | Ip_Man | thx |
| 08:26.03 | jaggz- | the release notes is a really long doc... |
| 08:27.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | シ? what the hell is that? |
| 08:27.21 | liable | awww |
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| 08:27.47 | Balgan | CutMeOwnThroat its a cute]smile |
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| 08:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yes, but how do you get it (except by copy&paste) |
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| 08:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | blast_hardcheese, is there a compose key sequence for シ? |
| 08:29.16 | blast_hardcheese | compose? |
| 08:29.26 | blast_hardcheese | I just use uim/scim |
| 08:29.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | wazzat? |
| 08:29.36 | jaggz- | hmm.. how do I know if I'm using mdadm? |
| 08:29.49 | liable | do you have raid? |
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| 08:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !compose |
| 08:29.59 | dpkg | To enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñAsk me about <compose sequences> for a how to find out what key combinations you can use. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command, or http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html |
| 08:29.59 | jaggz- | yeah.. using /dev/mapper/.... |
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| 08:30.24 | blast_hardcheese | huh |
| 08:30.28 | blast_hardcheese | interesting |
| 08:30.32 | blast_hardcheese | Did not know about that, |
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| 08:30.42 | blast_hardcheese | UIM/SCIM are Multilanguage input methods |
| 08:30.54 | jaggz- | n |
| 08:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | the bad thing is - I remapped one windows key to compose, the other to switch kbd layouts, now there's none left |
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| 08:31.25 | jaggz- | keyboards really need another row of function keys huh. |
| 08:31.43 | jaggz- | seriously.. I need something. |
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| 08:32.13 | blast_hardcheese | jaggz-: That's why I go for Japanese keyboards |
| 08:32.23 | blast_hardcheese | JP-106 > PC-104 |
| 08:32.27 | blast_hardcheese | two extra modifier keys |
| 08:32.34 | jaggz- | hm, what's that program to watch keystrokes? mapping 117 didn't work.. scancodes I mean. |
| 08:32.38 | wally | morning! I want to install apt on custom linux, how do I do that? I can't find anything on google no source code nothing... |
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| 08:33.13 | pmo_ | osFrenchDude, salut annecy |
| 08:33.14 | jaggz- | blast, that's cool. I'd still want a whole 'nother set I could arbitrarily asign. I never use my numpad -- I could probably asign those hm? |
| 08:34.07 | osFrenchDude | pmo_: 7-- 4 represents.. |
| 08:34.11 | osFrenchDude | pmo_: salut |
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| 08:36.31 | evilgeek | aptitude has suddenly started warning me that every package from http.us.debian.org is from an untrusted source. is something wrong on debian's end? |
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| 08:36.54 | pmo_ | osFrenchDude, y avait une chouette boutique.. a annecy ou j'allais me ravitailler en composant informatique.. pres d'un pont... enfin bon cela fait longtemps.. y a le lac, aussi, c'est une jolie ville annecy.. |
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| 08:37.53 | osFrenchDude | pmo_: ouai, en meme temps des ponts y'en a 2 ou trois a annecy |
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| 08:38.16 | osFrenchDude | mais moi j'ai trouve un shop qui assemble des PC sans OS, a cote de Bonlieu |
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| 08:39.48 | pmo_ | osFrenchDude, je sais plus.. me souviens, d'une sorte de.. peut etre vieille ville en face du lac.. et des petits ponts.. un cinema.. qui passe des films originaux.. puis plus haut, on arrive a une grande rue / un pont.. et sur la droite une boutique d'informatique.. mais bon.. cela date de 1997-2000 |
| 08:40.38 | pmo_ | osFrenchDude, Bonlieu :) je suis plus, depuis longtemps sur annecy et sa region :) |
| 08:40.40 | osFrenchDude | ouai, je vois pas la boutique info, mais je vois le quartier...sans doute sainte claire |
| 08:40.45 | pmo_ | osFrenchDude, je suis du cote de toulouse |
| 08:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | blast_hardcheese, so what's that シ character... japanese? |
| 08:41.42 | pmo_ | apres avoir fait un tour sur le luxembourg et en europe aussi.. faudra essayer l' eurorail / interrail, si tu n'as jamais essaye |
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| 08:41.56 | blast_hardcheese | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, It's a katakana "shi" |
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| 08:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
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| 08:43.33 | telmich | hello |
| 08:43.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't really want to draw all japanese characters... but a one-character smiley is kinda neat |
| 08:43.54 | osFrenchDude | pmo_: jamais alle, mais ca a l'air d'etre une jolie ville toulouse (et une jolie region a cote..) |
| 08:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fr |
| 08:44.27 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:44.30 | telmich | I've once installed some tool to create fancy web-galleries; now I'm wondering which name it had; anyone a hint on how to search within the installed packages? dpkg -l | grep -i gallery did not help |
| 08:44.54 | osFrenchDude | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry dude |
| 08:45.09 | osFrenchDude | CutMeOwnThroat: not even talking about debian ;) |
| 08:45.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know :) |
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| 08:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're trying to mask your being offtopic by speaking in heathen lingos :-P |
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| 08:45.45 | osFrenchDude | CutMeOwnThroat: you french |
| 08:45.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 08:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I understand barely enough to see you're offtopic |
| 08:46.42 | osFrenchDude | CutMeOwnThroat: ok ok...I'll never do it again...neither pmo_ will |
| 08:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ;) |
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| 08:56.40 | blast_hardcheese | One of the things I love about ancient hardware is that prep work that would have taken forever on hardware of the time can be done in minutes on a modern machine. |
| 08:56.56 | blast_hardcheese | qemu owns |
| 08:59.07 | liable | i believe the correct nomenclature is "pwns" |
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| 09:02.29 | jaggz- | ack |
| 09:02.59 | jaggz- | in full-upgrade, after the ncurses type of window was up (asking about config file differences), my console is scrolling in just one line |
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| 09:03.30 | jaggz- | ah, fixed itself after a while... with the next ncurses window :) |
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| 09:04.43 | blast_hardcheese | woohoo!! |
| 09:04.49 | blast_hardcheese | booting 2.6.8!!! |
| 09:04.57 | blast_hardcheese | how exciting |
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| 09:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, now nobody's really offtopic anymore |
| 09:06.18 | blast_hardcheese | takes off his pants |
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| 09:07.09 | blast_hardcheese | fsck, kernel panic. |
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| 09:09.18 | jaggz- | okay.. update is done |
| 09:09.20 | jaggz- | now what |
| 09:10.09 | jaggz- | looks at his irc client and kde bar wondering if it's bark over termite-eaten wood |
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| 09:11.54 | jaggz- | goin for a reboot |
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| 09:19.41 | osFrenchDude | Hi...I was wondering, I can use a virtual machine to "install" a windows and then use it for gaming (for example) |
| 09:19.45 | ferret_0567 | what is the LANG specification for en_US iso8859? |
| 09:23.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | osFrenchDude, if you have windows... of course - but graphics performance will obviously be quite bad |
| 09:24.45 | osFrenchDude | CutMeOwnThroat: well, to play simcity, I don't think I need such a powerful machine |
| 09:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might try wine first for that, tough |
| 09:25.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | or opencity, actually |
| 09:25.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ( apt-cache show opencity ) |
| 09:26.02 | osFrenchDude | CutMeOwnThroat: wine is good but crashes from time to time |
| 09:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | that may be |
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| 09:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but installing windows in a vm is a lot more hassle than just running something in wine |
| 09:27.14 | jaggz- | hm, x doesn't come up after etch->lenny and reboot. |
| 09:27.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems you can run simcity in wine: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/04/06/simcity-4-on-ubuntu-with-wine/ |
| 09:27.46 | jaggz- | it seems to think there's no ati module: (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 09:27.51 | osFrenchDude | CutMeOwnThroat: I do it...works well...but still crashes from time to time |
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| 09:29.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz-, then there probably isn't... |
| 09:29.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:30.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ati |
| 09:30.13 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 09:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... because it's not called ati |
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| 09:32.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah oh, find man page is wrong >.> |
| 09:33.30 | jaggz- | ooh |
| 09:33.49 | jaggz- | I was installing the xorg.*video-ati driver .. but this looks good (from ati).. |
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| 09:34.26 | jaggz- | thank you |
| 09:34.39 | xoz_ | osFrenchDude: try virtualbox |
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| 09:36.43 | suzu | hello |
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| 09:41.28 | anewbie | jelly-home, the problem last evening is fixed i del one of the default gates and fix the broadcast |
| 09:41.35 | anewbie | :) now the ftp works |
| 09:41.35 | anewbie | :D |
| 09:41.37 | anewbie | 10x a lot |
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| 09:44.02 | blast_hardcheese | WOOOO! |
| 09:44.10 | blast_hardcheese | out of memory!! |
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| 09:46.21 | blast_hardcheese | woohoo! Still booting! |
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| 09:48.20 | sente | hi, using apt-get or aptitude how can i grab the source for basic programs like 'who' and 'last'? or should i be using something else? |
| 09:48.36 | icenine | I have a fresh install of debian lenny. A fresh install of firefox 3. A fresh install of flash 10. I have plenty of swap enabled. As soon as I direct ffox to youtube.com, or video.google.com, I get a segfault. If I remove flash, I don't. It's flash.. what to do :'( |
| 09:48.53 | icenine | Anyone have an old flash9 lying around |
| 09:49.25 | blast_hardcheese | Woohoo! 7 minute boot! |
| 09:49.29 | blast_hardcheese | time to optimize |
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| 09:51.50 | vaq | Am I the only one who have virtual machines hanging when using linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen ? - They run for a few days and then they crash with 100% cpu usage. |
| 09:51.54 | icenine | sente: aptitude install util-linux |
| 09:52.50 | sente | icenine: aptitude says that is already installed |
| 09:53.17 | icenine | sente: ? ls /usr/bin/who |
| 09:53.19 | icenine | is it there? |
| 09:53.34 | sente | yes, i want the source not the binary |
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| 09:54.03 | icenine | ohh |
| 09:54.05 | icenine | sorry |
| 09:54.11 | blast_hardcheese | sente: apt-get source packagename |
| 09:54.23 | sente | thanks |
| 09:54.35 | blast_hardcheese | yep |
| 09:54.39 | icenine | I just picked up a copy of Advanced Unix Programming V2 |
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| 09:57.08 | sente | blast_hardcheese: thanks |
| 09:57.13 | blast_hardcheese | yep |
| 09:57.49 | blast_hardcheese | Crap, what's the tool that is run during install which allows you to select what you're going to be using your computer fo? |
| 09:57.51 | blast_hardcheese | *for? |
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| 09:58.17 | hark | tasksel |
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| 09:58.34 | blast_hardcheese | thanks hark |
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| 09:59.29 | icenine | it's my hypothesis that flash uses excessive amounts of free tmp diskspace... |
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| 10:00.04 | icenine | and it's sigsegv because i don't have enough :( |
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| 10:01.53 | Titosemi | hello! |
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| 10:02.52 | vaq | Am I the only one who have virtual machines hanging when using linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen ? - They run for a few days and then they crash with 100% cpu usage. |
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| 10:04.03 | mahnlto5 | does a corded mouse need usb 2.0? |
| 10:04.19 | blast_hardcheese | mahnlto5: very no. |
| 10:04.32 | mahnlto5 | ty |
| 10:04.48 | pif | hi, where do I find the build-deps of a package? |
| 10:04.49 | maligor | very few mice are usb 2 |
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| 10:05.00 | maligor | and they probably support 1.1 also |
| 10:05.51 | blast_hardcheese | maligor: "very few mice"? Are you saying you actually know of some, or are you not saying there are none just in case you're wrong? |
| 10:07.53 | maligor | oh, nm, they were just 12Mbps |
| 10:08.15 | maligor | Highspeed I guess |
| 10:08.24 | Guerin | fail |
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| 10:09.01 | maligor | gah.. I mean fullspeed, heh |
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| 10:09.18 | Titosemi | ey guys i have a debian on my laptop, but i am planning to install a server for the local network. The server will have, samba (4 the windows), apache, i want to have also the torrentclient and the ed2k client too with web interface, ssh, bind, mailserver |
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| 10:10.27 | Titosemi | i have a question, could i used the apt for the laptop sync with this server? |
| 10:10.48 | bolt-work | Titosemi: the "laptop sync"? |
| 10:11.00 | Titosemi | the apt.sources |
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| 10:11.35 | bolt-work | Titosemi: you want the server to be an apt repository? |
| 10:13.25 | Titosemi | bolt-work: yes, a local repository |
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| 10:14.57 | bolt-work | !repository |
| 10:14.57 | dpkg | methinks debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>. |
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| 10:16.31 | bolt-work | Titosemi: to answer your question, yes you can :) |
| 10:16.49 | Titosemi | cool |
| 10:16.56 | Titosemi | then, i should read :) |
| 10:16.58 | Titosemi | thanks |
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| 10:20.32 | ferret_0567 | is there a way to check for missing files? |
| 10:20.44 | ferret_0567 | besides writing a custom script to do it, that is |
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| 10:25.28 | grag | NICKLIST HELP |
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| 10:25.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | pity theres no 'buildd' tasksel option. wonder if it would get accepted |
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| 10:26.56 | blast_hardcheese | jeez, Sarge installs all this crap |
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| 10:31.16 | stEVIL | i just deleted 15gb file, however when my drive still shows a 100% full |
| 10:31.23 | monkey_d_luffy | My mouse has 3 buttons, but I would still like to enable the 3rd button emulation (via the simulataneous press of left and right). How can I do that for console and X? |
| 10:31.36 | monkey_d_luffy | stEVIL: df -i |
| 10:31.43 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I got a lot of "kernel: [1070845.636481] FAT: Directory bread(block 305157) failed" in my logs (so for a FAT usb hdd), any idea what that means ? |
| 10:31.44 | monkey_d_luffy | maybe you're out of inodes |
| 10:31.48 | stEVIL | monkey_d_luffy: only 20% fulle of inodes |
| 10:31.53 | avtobiff | luffy! |
| 10:32.28 | monkey_d_luffy | avtobiff! (whoever you are.. :p) |
| 10:32.33 | monkey_d_luffy | sorry, I don't recall you |
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| 10:32.51 | stEVIL | monkey_d_luffy: also when i do a du -hs on that drive, i get 11gb, and with i do a df -h, it shows that the drive is using 27gb |
| 10:33.13 | monkey_d_luffy | stEVIL: try to force a recheck on your HDD... but I don't remember how you do that |
| 10:33.26 | monkey_d_luffy | *a recheck on the next boot |
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| 10:34.36 | stEVIL | monkey_d_luffy: hmm it's currently in a live environment |
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| 10:35.26 | avtobiff | monkey_d_luffy, i don't think you should either. i don't recall you. just one piece. it is great. |
| 10:35.49 | monkey_d_luffy | avtobiff: gomu gomu :p |
| 10:35.56 | avtobiff | :D |
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| 10:37.28 | JyZyXEL | how do you see how full rrd database is? |
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| 10:40.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | damn you d-i. you didnt boot :( |
| 10:41.41 | DjMadness | Hi, i have a question, cant seam to find anything apon it, and i have been trying for weeks. i have access to 2 networks and their specific routers. each has their own internet connection, router1 192.168.0.1 (wired, default connection) router2 192.168.1.1 (over wireless connection) I want to be able to use both connections so they each can run the same service on the same port. However i seam to get stonewalled by one connection taki |
| 10:43.00 | sepski | DjMadness, you have configured 3 routing tables ? |
| 10:43.04 | petemc | DjMadness: its not straight forward to have two gateways |
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| 10:43.18 | sepski | !split access |
| 10:43.19 | dpkg | somebody said split access was when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
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| 10:43.47 | DjMadness | sepski: i have tried to use routing, but i kinda lost all connection each time. |
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| 10:44.14 | DjMadness | ill take a poke at the links. |
| 10:44.21 | sepski | djace, well the yellowpigs one above is a debianish example and works perfectly i use it with bind |
| 10:44.39 | sepski | the lartc one is better explained and generic but does the same thing |
| 10:45.51 | DjMadness | sepski: thanks, seamed my wording was off in the googling process, i will read apon it :) |
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| 10:46.41 | jaggz- | after etch->lenny, x won't run ... no ati module. the fglrx is not for this ati card (which is a Radeon 7000 series..), and now with the radeon driver set in xorg.conf, xorg is crashing with a backtrace |
| 10:46.56 | sepski | DjMadness, altho i have the real ip's on my interfaces. you seam to do nat on both. |
| 10:47.43 | DjMadness | sepski: ye, i am setting up some BNC's, but you know the max pr ip limit... got a friend to lend me his wireless. |
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| 10:47.52 | Stanlin | hi and help!! |
| 10:48.11 | Stanlin | splashy background looks horrible |
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| 10:48.15 | DjMadness | btw, does debian lenny have CONFIG_IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES compiled into the kernel ? /proc/config.gz does not exist. |
| 10:48.58 | sepski | DjMadness, /boot/config-$kernelversion |
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| 10:49.49 | DjMadness | ah nice, thank you again |
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| 10:53.10 | monkey_d_luffy | My mouse has 3 buttons, but I would still like to enable the 3rd button emulation (via the simulataneous press of left and right). How can I do that for console and X? |
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| 10:55.09 | jaggz- | okay, I modprobe'ed "radeon" and startx works, even though the driver is set to "ati" in xorg.conf |
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| 10:55.31 | jaggz- | however, I was set to kde before and now it's using gnome -- I can't find a window manager preference option |
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| 10:56.37 | Aldus | hello. I need some debian FTP shell utility to use via SSH and get all data (files + directory) from remote ftp folders (with user/password). Which would be some very good software to do this? Thanks |
| 10:57.09 | SlayerXP | Aldus: sftp? |
| 10:57.18 | Aldus | i'll check it out thanks |
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| 10:58.00 | SlayerXP | Aldus: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=ssh+ftp |
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| 10:59.31 | valdyn | monkey_d_luffy: enabling emulation doesnt disable the 3rd button |
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| 11:00.19 | valdyn | Aldus: youre confused |
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| 11:00.53 | valdyn | Aldus: sftp cant access remote ftp |
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| 11:01.22 | Aldus | ... |
| 11:01.31 | jaggz- | how do I pick kde? |
| 11:01.33 | Aldus | so what kind of advice it was |
| 11:01.44 | valdyn | Aldus: youre confused,your question makes no sense |
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| 11:02.37 | valdyn | Aldus: either you want ftp or you want ssh, or your want ssh with syntax like ftp |
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| 11:04.12 | valdyn | Aldus: and sftp is just the 3rd thing, only thing it has in common with ftp is that the user interface is like ftp |
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| 11:05.48 | doudou | I came to debian#oftc.net Maulkin ban me with dubious reasons |
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| 11:05.53 | Aldus | i just want to get everything on my system from a remote ftp folder |
| 11:06.00 | valdyn | doudou: i doubt that |
| 11:06.01 | doudou | i was asking what is security answer of debian? |
| 11:06.03 | Aldus | i have only ssh access so no gui clients |
| 11:06.09 | valdyn | doudou: you've been annoying the hell out of people |
| 11:06.22 | doudou | of course ideas are annoying |
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| 11:06.33 | valdyn | Aldus: there is ssh gui clients |
| 11:06.40 | valdyn | Aldus: like any file manager |
| 11:06.47 | jaggz- | figures maybe he should go for kde5 |
| 11:06.49 | jaggz- | 4 |
| 11:07.13 | valdyn | Aldus: so if you have a desktop environment installed,then im sure you already have a ssh gui |
| 11:07.19 | Aldus | I have a web server |
| 11:07.24 | sepski | doudou, your questions are not understandable |
| 11:07.38 | doudou | i said that gov have always spy ppl, they did this oppenning letters, they did this listenning phone call, they probably continue |
| 11:07.44 | jaggz- | pardon me, how do I select my window manager? |
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| 11:07.50 | doudou | what do debian, to prevent this? |
| 11:07.50 | valdyn | doudou: you dont have ideas, you have no clue, and *think* you got ideas, no matter what you're told |
| 11:08.18 | jaggz- | oh, desktop environment :) |
| 11:08.30 | valdyn | jaggz-: like kde? |
| 11:08.44 | valdyn | jaggz-: what is your way to log in? gdm? kdm? |
| 11:09.30 | doudou | ok, tell me what is my mistake: i read that linux have 2 security rings, the kernel level and out of kernel, if i install many programms as root, the security of my system is as low as the security of the programms i installed? true? |
| 11:09.52 | valdyn | doudou: no |
| 11:10.31 | doudou | valdyn, could you expand your answer? you wrote only 2 letters |
| 11:11.06 | monkey_d_luffy | Aldus: I don't want to disable the 3rd button. I'm just very used to copy-pasting with the two buttons (and not the third one). |
| 11:11.10 | valdyn | doudou: a system has as much security against remote exploits as the (few if any) network services that youre publically accessible have |
| 11:11.21 | jaggz- | valdyn, I just ran startx like I always have.. (except before upgrade to lenny when I really didn't have to -- init booted into X). |
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| 11:11.45 | valdyn | jaggz-: if you use startx, then you edit ~/.xsession to change your desktop environment |
| 11:11.54 | jaggz- | this guy points out running "startkde" .. but that doesn't exist here.. at the moment I'm updating kde 3 to kde 4 anyway, so we'll see how that goes |
| 11:11.58 | jaggz- | ah, thank you |
| 11:12.08 | valdyn | jaggz-: where "exec gnome-session" is for gnome and "exec startkde" for kde |
| 11:12.22 | valdyn | jaggz-: mind the "exec" it has a purpose |
| 11:12.23 | doudou | i am speaking of securtity prblems from inside, meaning programs running wih root priviledges and doing what they want |
| 11:12.43 | valdyn | doudou: you mean suid root programs? |
| 11:13.17 | valdyn | doudou: common programs only run as root if root starts them |
| 11:13.27 | doudou | the security from inside, is debain that garanty it? when i install a program with aptitude, then the security of that programm is garanted by debian? |
| 11:13.37 | valdyn | doudou: no it isnt |
| 11:13.55 | valdyn | doudou: do you have *any* idea how software works? |
| 11:13.57 | jaggz- | there's no .xsession file actually.. I'm reading a page on it but it's not a debian page |
| 11:14.12 | jaggz- | ooh.. it's pouring rain :) |
| 11:14.18 | valdyn | doudou: i can assure you that no one can guarantee anything like this, not even airplane software |
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| 11:14.35 | valdyn | doudou: and planes have crashed because of software errors |
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| 11:15.28 | doudou | what is see is that beside kernel threads there are many root process running, that can call other programms installed with root priviliedges, all this cant be checked |
| 11:15.40 | valdyn | ( if anyone remembers that Lauda Air plane where reverse thrust at full speed destroyed that plane ) |
| 11:16.08 | jaggz- | doudou, you might want to look into a bsd.. like netbsd I think.. I believe they are extra extra secure. |
| 11:16.25 | jaggz- | but not all *bsd's |
| 11:16.29 | valdyn | jaggz-: no, not netbsd, and these basics are ineherent to any unix |
| 11:16.34 | valdyn | jaggz-: you mean openbsd |
| 11:16.41 | jaggz- | maybe that one :) |
| 11:16.57 | valdyn | jaggz-: but doudou is just totally clueless, thats the problem |
| 11:17.06 | doudou | I understand nobody can garanty a bug free program, but they try to follow methods to prevent bugs, in debian installation i cant see any security method except trusting debian developper or maintainer or i dont know |
| 11:17.23 | valdyn | doudou: that is how it works. |
| 11:17.38 | doudou | so i would like to propose something |
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| 11:18.00 | valdyn | doudou: trust the "vendor" or read the source yourself, thats how it works |
| 11:18.20 | jaggz- | the super ai insidious-monitor source-code project security review system? |
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| 11:18.51 | doudou | as firefox success is that it choose simplicity, as python success is coherence and simplicity, maybe debian should release a simple system, with few programms, and strong security concerns |
| 11:19.14 | valdyn | doudou: haha |
| 11:19.32 | petemc | doudou: was it not enough to get silenced in one channel? you have to bring your wee argument to another? |
| 11:19.53 | jaggz- | is there a program to create my initial .xsession file? |
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| 11:20.06 | valdyn | jaggz-: umm |
| 11:20.13 | mahnlto5 | jaggz-, touch |
| 11:20.15 | mahnlto5 | ;) |
| 11:20.17 | valdyn | jaggz-: i told you what to put in it, whats the problem? |
| 11:20.21 | doudou | nobody can read the sources, even if it read them, could he see the bugs that could create security problems? nobody can do this so if you whant security, you must stay humble and build something minimalist |
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| 11:20.41 | valdyn | doudou: we already have openbsd |
| 11:20.47 | valdyn | doudou: debian is not that |
| 11:20.50 | jaggz- | valdyn, just one line is enough? The examples I found were more elaborate.. but I'm okay with just one line if it works. seems debian uses global standard paths and such .. |
| 11:21.11 | jaggz- | I just got worried about env vars for /usr/local/kde (which isn't on my system anyway) |
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| 11:21.59 | jaggz- | see, there's none there, so I can't replace "exec gnome-session" and such |
| 11:22.01 | doudou | well, trusting debian is dificult, but is seems debian concern many people, trusting openbsd seems much more difficult |
| 11:22.08 | jelly | does anyone know how to ignore all lines starting with nickname[,:] in xchat? |
| 11:22.13 | Maulkin | This isn't relevent here either |
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| 11:22.27 | icenine | jelly: preferably you do it by host |
| 11:22.34 | icenine | jelly: but right click user and ignore |
| 11:22.57 | jelly | icenine: I want to ignore all the other people's replies to the troll |
| 11:23.00 | icenine | or /ignore *!*@hostmask or /ignore *nick!*@* |
| 11:23.00 | valdyn | jaggz-: http://valdyn.org/~valdyn/xsession |
| 11:23.05 | icenine | jelly: oh, you'll need a script |
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| 11:23.09 | valdyn | jaggz-: having more than that does not make sense if you use kde or gnome |
| 11:23.20 | valdyn | jaggz-: and the lines you dont understand you dont need either |
| 11:23.27 | icenine | jelly: I can do it in python, hold up a sec |
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| 11:23.40 | icenine | but for xchat |
| 11:23.41 | icenine | uhg |
| 11:23.59 | jelly | icenine: it does python as well, but I'm clueless about the API |
| 11:24.00 | icenine | you need to split the string at the first : and compare the left to "nick" |
| 11:24.03 | Aldo | does anyone know a command line ftp client with some command to get a FULL FOLDER? (the standard ftp only allows "get" for regular files). |
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| 11:24.09 | icenine | jelly: it's probably relatively easy to figure out |
| 11:24.13 | petemc | Aldo: ncftp, lftp |
| 11:24.15 | jaggz- | hmm.. can't access your host.. traceroute reaches you though |
| 11:24.18 | valdyn | jaggz-: https://valdyn.org/~valdyn/xsession even |
| 11:24.24 | icenine | jelly: try writing it and i'll help if you get stuck |
| 11:24.28 | jaggz- | :) |
| 11:24.34 | valdyn | jaggz-: yea, i disabled plain http, sorry, its https |
| 11:26.24 | Aldo | petemc: i tried both. ncftp doesn't want to connect (says my login is incorrect). lftp doesn't allow to get a remote directory as well |
| 11:26.28 | valdyn | Aldo: standard ftp has mget |
| 11:26.28 | Aldo | like standard ftp |
| 11:26.55 | Aldo | mget says: not a regular file. |
| 11:27.03 | jaggz- | Made it into X :).. |
| 11:27.05 | Aldo | (on a folder) |
| 11:27.11 | Trewas | Aldo: use "mirror" command in lftp to fetch directories, mget works only with files |
| 11:27.11 | jaggz- | what do you mean, lines I don't understand?? :) |
| 11:27.29 | Aldo | oh very good |
| 11:27.54 | icenine | im installing xchat |
| 11:28.03 | Aldo | thank you Trewas |
| 11:28.03 | jaggz- | ncftpget |
| 11:28.06 | icenine | python scriptability makes it better than irssi :D |
| 11:28.13 | icenine | well there's irssi-python |
| 11:28.16 | jaggz- | also wget might work |
| 11:28.16 | icenine | but is there a package.. i doubt it |
| 11:28.39 | jaggz- | I'm not sure why my environment looks different than before |
| 11:29.20 | doudou | valdyn, it is correct to think that security from inside is at the same level as what debian developper furnish in their release? |
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| 11:30.18 | valdyn | doudou: what is that supposed to mean? |
| 11:30.21 | Aldo | thank everyone. Trewas: it was what i was looking for :) |
| 11:30.34 | jaggz- | brb |
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| 11:35.04 | doudou | it is supposed to be a question |
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| 11:36.02 | doudou | is there a direct link between the security from inside and the work of debian integraters? |
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| 11:39.29 | doudou | i can feel secure because debian developpers checks by example hald dbus and many others running in my computer? |
| 11:39.46 | doudou | checked |
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| 11:40.12 | Maulkin | yes |
| 11:40.15 | petemc | would it make you feel more secure if some random in an irc channel told you yes? |
| 11:40.34 | jaggz- | wow.. froze up.. power button got the system to shut down (including lots of HD noise, so I think linux actually shut down) -- but the neat thing was that nothing changed in the X11 display.. so I'm thinking I have a graphic driver problem. |
| 11:40.37 | petemc | not that Maulkin is some random, of couse... |
| 11:40.39 | jaggz- | not to mention graphics seem different and slow |
| 11:40.59 | jaggz- | so something's up with my ATI drivers |
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| 11:42.16 | jaggz- | ooh, neat project: xautomation |
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| 11:42.41 | doudou | i dont feel like random ppl in this channel. my question is simple, now my question is it not dangerous to integrate so many programms? |
| 11:42.50 | Maulkin | no. |
| 11:43.39 | jaggz- | yes, and the more you integrate the more dangerous it is |
| 11:43.43 | doudou | where can i read debates about questions to integrate or not some new programmes |
| 11:43.53 | jaggz- | even if you turn off your computer it's not safe |
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| 11:44.10 | jaggz- | doudou, why, right here in channel! |
| 11:44.11 | valdyn | doudou: how old are you? |
| 11:44.17 | valdyn | doudou: ( thats a serious question ) |
| 11:44.19 | jaggz- | try #debian-offtopic |
| 11:44.39 | dusty_ | Hey guys for some reason my mail.log didn't get rotated last night: http://rafb.net/p/52CwLx69.html any ideas why not |
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| 11:45.09 | rmrfchik | Hmm, I run http://www2.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider-driver.html under IceWeasel on debian/amd64 and on windows/ia32 under vbox on the same host. Native iceweasel gives ~6.8sec, windows ff ~2sec. |
| 11:45.15 | rmrfchik | wtf? |
| 11:45.19 | doudou | valdyn, what question do you have my age can help you to answer? |
| 11:45.28 | jaggz- | okay.. so.. I'm having an X display driver issue.. and working in 80x25 is .. well -- it was better back in the late 80's and early 90's before I had a larger monitor :) |
| 11:45.31 | valdyn | doudou: you need to read a serious book, your questions and the answers dont really make any sense without some decent background |
| 11:45.45 | valdyn | doudou: so i can suggest a book that you might actually understand |
| 11:45.59 | doudou | ok can i contibute? |
| 11:46.07 | Maulkin | doudou: http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp (see ones which start with ITP) |
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| 11:46.25 | jaggz- | rmrf, what is it? (no gui) |
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| 11:46.31 | doudou | can you propose some decent doc before asking ppl to buy books (except if you sell them) |
| 11:46.51 | valdyn | doudou: docs dont give you the background |
| 11:47.07 | valdyn | doudou: docs expect background |
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| 11:47.16 | doudou | you know i loose lot of time trying to understand simple things, and came to conclusion it was not possible to find answer without asking here |
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| 11:47.54 | Maulkin | rmrfchik: possibly a difference between amd64 and i386. And sunspidernormally takesa couple of minutes,not seconds |
| 11:48.15 | Maulkin | doudou: many others manage. |
| 11:48.17 | doudou | lot of ppl here beleaive it is possible, but it is wrong, they succed because they have been teeched with friedns or i dont know, and they feel that everybody can do the same, that is not true |
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| 11:48.35 | valdyn | doudou: people here actually work in IT |
| 11:48.42 | Maulkin | doudou: This is now offtopic. Please move to #debian-offtopic to continue |
| 11:48.43 | valdyn | doudou: they got some education |
| 11:48.53 | rmrfchik | Maulkin: but ia32 is running under hypervisor on amd64! |
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| 11:49.11 | doudou | they manage because they are not working alone, i suppose doc is not made to be understood by a group but by a person |
| 11:49.18 | Maulkin | rmrfchik: Can you paste the comparison pageurl? |
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| 11:49.27 | Maulkin | Last warning (again) |
| 11:50.11 | mircuist | fuck |
| 11:50.16 | jaggz- | doudou, put the same effort into your food sources! :) |
| 11:50.35 | doudou | ok speak of education and politeness, suppose you spend one hour reading some doc that is not satisfactory to understand, is the man who wrote the doc and says you try again, polite? |
| 11:50.37 | rmrfchik | Maulkin: this is ia32 http://tinyurl.com/bdt9nv |
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| 11:51.01 | Maulkin | You've been banned for 10 mins. |
| 11:51.40 | rmrfchik | running iceweseal... it takes a moment |
| 11:51.43 | dusty_ | Hey guys for some reason my mail.log didn't get rotated last night: http://rafb.net/p/52CwLx69.html any ideas why not |
| 11:51.45 | dusty_ | anyone ? |
| 11:51.48 | Maulkin | rmrfchik: doesn't seem tinyurl likes that |
| 11:51.57 | rmrfchik | Maulkin: huh? |
| 11:52.07 | Maulkin | Looks like it munges the url |
| 11:52.20 | rmrfchik | i tried in konq, works for me. hm |
| 11:52.29 | Maulkin | Can you pastebin it? |
| 11:52.34 | rmrfchik | sec |
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| 11:52.41 | mircuist | fuck you all! |
| 11:52.43 | OldMonk | gives a 2-page url |
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| 11:52.59 | OldMonk | why thank you mircuist... you sending supplies for consummation? |
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| 11:53.23 | rmrfchik | http://pastebin.com/d1f2d8638 |
| 11:53.40 | Maulkin | I meant pastebin the URL :) |
| 11:53.45 | rmrfchik | lol, sec |
| 11:53.49 | OldMonk | dude, he's wishing us all a great sex life! |
| 11:54.01 | rmrfchik | http://pastebin.com/d22702faa |
| 11:54.21 | rmrfchik | ...native still running |
| 11:54.30 | Maulkin | rar! |
| 11:54.36 | Maulkin | Only one test each? |
| 11:54.48 | rmrfchik | http://pastebin.com/d27aba478 |
| 11:54.53 | rmrfchik | this is native |
| 11:54.59 | rmrfchik | 6.3sec with 3.0.6 |
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| 11:55.37 | Maulkin | hrm. Nothing really different I can see. |
| 11:55.57 | Maulkin | I'd suggest mailing debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:56.18 | rmrfchik | have you tried the test? |
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| 11:57.51 | Maulkin | rmrfchik: same version in windows? |
| 11:58.03 | jaggz- | seriously, my graphics are slower than they used to be.. I'm pretty sure of this. and then this 3d program locked up my display |
| 11:58.21 | Maulkin | Gah, *heads off*, release work to do. |
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| 11:58.24 | rmrfchik | yes, 3.0.6 |
| 11:58.29 | jaggz- | I have to use radeon driver it seems (ATI Radeon 7000 (for R100/R200)) |
| 11:58.58 | dusty_ | anyone got any ideas why logrotate didn't rotate thge logs ? |
| 11:59.08 | Maulkin | Possibly try the iceweasel maintainers. |
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| 12:05.45 | valdyn | dusty_: system was down? |
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| 12:06.01 | valdyn | dusty_: were the other logs rotated? |
| 12:06.15 | Stanlin | what is better , perl or python?? ive read perl is for basic things, python is for complex |
| 12:06.19 | jaggz- | graphics seem different than they used to.. as if I were in a higher resolution than the 1600x1200, although I am in 1600x1200. |
| 12:06.36 | dusty_ | valdyn, system was not down, also no other logs were rotated. |
| 12:06.50 | valdyn | dusty_: you checked uptime? |
| 12:07.12 | dusty_ | yes |
| 12:07.39 | dusty_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.40 | valdyn | dusty_: cron is running? |
| 12:07.57 | valdyn | dusty_: so its just 11 hours up |
| 12:08.26 | jaggz- | ATI Radeon VE/7000 QZ (AGP/PCI) |
| 12:08.58 | dusty_ | mail:/var/log# ps aux | grep "cron*" |
| 12:08.58 | dusty_ | root 3647 0.0 0.3 11504 936 ? Ss 01:06 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 12:08.58 | dusty_ | root 9563 0.0 0.2 4400 784 pts/0 S+ 12:08 0:00 grep cron* |
| 12:09.03 | dusty_ | Yes I rebooted it last night,. |
| 12:09.30 | valdyn | dusty_: whats the entry for cron.daily in /etc/crontab |
| 12:09.43 | OldMonk | dusty_: what does logrotate -d /path/to/file say? |
| 12:10.20 | dusty_ | mail:/var/log# ps aux | grep "cron*" |
| 12:10.20 | dusty_ | root 3647 0.0 0.3 11504 936 ? Ss 01:06 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 12:10.21 | dusty_ | root 9563 0.0 0.2 4400 784 pts/0 S+ 12:08 0:00 grep cron* |
| 12:11.14 | dusty_ | OldMonk, logrotate -d /var/log/mail.log gves me this http://rafb.net/p/LBeLBy97.html |
| 12:11.39 | OldMonk | dusty_: does it work? or does it fail? |
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| 12:11.52 | valdyn | OldMonk: wtf |
| 12:11.58 | OldMonk | dusty_: er, /path/to/config/file |
| 12:12.07 | OldMonk | valdyn: i didn't see the paste :) |
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| 12:14.21 | dusty_ | so any ideas ? |
| 12:14.34 | OldMonk | dusty_: logrotate -d /path/to/config/file |
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| 12:14.43 | vertic39 | morning ...I have problems with my root-server debian system, it doesnot reboot properly (can't connect to it). I guess it has been hacked - any ideas how to recover that system? |
| 12:14.51 | valdyn | dusty_: 13:09 < valdyn> dusty_: whats the entry for cron.daily in /etc/crontab |
| 12:15.24 | valdyn | vertic39: ask the service provider |
| 12:15.33 | dusty_ | ok |
| 12:15.50 | OldMonk | you can't reliably recover a cracked system unless you really know what you're doing. do you? |
| 12:15.55 | liable | vertic39: just because you cant connect to it, its a rather large leap to think its been hacked |
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| 12:16.02 | vertic39 | true .. |
| 12:16.03 | dusty_ | valdyn, http://rafb.net/p/PFupwp74.html |
| 12:16.07 | kabotage | hi |
| 12:16.15 | vertic39 | the problem is he doesnot create any log files while starting |
| 12:16.20 | valdyn | dusty_: thats not what i asked |
| 12:16.29 | kabotage | how to be root on debian? newbie here :) |
| 12:16.31 | OldMonk | vertic39: did you run rkhunter? |
| 12:16.31 | dusty_ | oh sorry |
| 12:16.42 | kabotage | sudo doesnt work |
| 12:16.42 | vertic39 | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 12:16.45 | liable | vertic39: is there room in /var? |
| 12:16.51 | OldMonk | vertic39: are you root? |
| 12:16.58 | dusty_ | 4 8 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 12:16.59 | vertic39 | I am on the recovery system as root |
| 12:17.02 | OldMonk | vertic39: is another dpkg/apt/aptitude process running? |
| 12:17.02 | dusty_ | valdyn, ^^ |
| 12:17.20 | vertic39 | OldMonk: I don't know - how can I find out? |
| 12:17.25 | OldMonk | dusty_: did you test your config file? |
| 12:17.30 | OldMonk | vertic39: ps |
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| 12:17.53 | vertic39 | ps would be if I was logged in, or am I false? |
| 12:17.57 | liable | uh, if he is in recovery mode, there is not likely another process running |
| 12:18.05 | OldMonk | liable: true |
| 12:18.09 | liable | vertic39: is there room in /var? |
| 12:18.15 | vertic39 | room? |
| 12:18.16 | dusty_ | OldMonk, which config file ? |
| 12:18.28 | OldMonk | dusty_: your mail logrotate config file |
| 12:18.38 | vertic39 | you mean like space ... for writing new files? |
| 12:18.40 | liable | vertic39: df -h |
| 12:18.46 | liable | yes |
| 12:19.00 | vertic39 | ...ok |
| 12:19.02 | vertic39 | no room |
| 12:19.20 | dusty_ | OldMonk, /etc/logrotate.conf has the mail.log clause in it, so you want me to do logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.conf ? |
| 12:19.21 | liable | apt-get clean |
| 12:19.38 | OldMonk | dusty_: did you change anything in that file? |
| 12:19.43 | vertic39 | in the recovery? is it able to clean the mounted system? |
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| 12:19.51 | liable | yes |
| 12:20.23 | dusty_ | OldMonk, yes i did i pasted it in the original question, want me to re paste it ? |
| 12:20.27 | OldMonk | vertic39: you mounted the system root on a directory in the recovery system? |
| 12:20.32 | vertic39 | yes |
| 12:20.41 | OldMonk | dusty_: run logrotate -d on it then |
| 12:20.46 | dusty_ | ok |
| 12:20.52 | OldMonk | vertic39: then you need to chroot first |
| 12:21.14 | OldMonk | vertic39: otherwise you're trying to install packages into your ramdisk, which doesn't make sense |
| 12:21.26 | liable | hang on |
| 12:21.41 | liable | vertic39: what is your recovery system? |
| 12:21.47 | dusty_ | OldMonk, check this out: http://rafb.net/p/aYFk4c71.html |
| 12:21.48 | vertic39 | debian I guess |
| 12:22.08 | liable | vertic39: how did you get into the system now? |
| 12:22.30 | OldMonk | dusty_: let's see your conf again... |
| 12:22.34 | vertic39 | recovery mode is active over webgui |
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| 12:22.56 | liable | vertic39: ok, then you should be able to run apt-get clean |
| 12:23.06 | vertic39 | nothing happens |
| 12:23.17 | vertic39 | + install doesnot find the packet |
| 12:23.17 | dusty_ | OldMonk, http://rafb.net/p/oaYNwe54.html |
| 12:23.20 | liable | thats ok. does df -h show space now? |
| 12:23.28 | vertic39 | nope |
| 12:23.53 | vertic39 | ah wait .. |
| 12:23.54 | liable | vertic39: what do you mean by "install doesnt find packet"? |
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| 12:24.05 | vertic39 | I am not looking in the mounted system .. wait |
| 12:24.32 | vertic39 | it says 3,6G available in the mounted dir |
| 12:24.42 | liable | in /var? |
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| 12:24.50 | OldMonk | dusty_: no clue, it all looks ok to me |
| 12:24.54 | vertic39 | /var is the recovery .. |
| 12:25.15 | liable | huh? |
| 12:25.38 | OldMonk | liable: either he's confused or i am (and probably you too) |
| 12:25.47 | vertic39 | I am not quite experienced |
| 12:25.48 | liable | agreed |
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| 12:26.21 | vertic39 | I need to look with ls then, right? |
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| 12:27.12 | dusty_ | argh |
| 12:27.20 | dusty_ | bangs head against wall |
| 12:27.29 | p0g0 | vertic39: folks are trying to get you to delete uneeded files to make space on the hard drive you boot from. Your issue is that drive appears to be full. |
| 12:27.33 | dusty_ | I rely on the mail.log to be rotated so pflogsumm can email me statistics. |
| 12:27.43 | dusty_ | but it aint rotating and im not getting stats and im not sure why :( |
| 12:27.54 | vertic39 | p0g0: I got that - but it says there are 3,6G available |
| 12:27.57 | p0g0 | liable: I have electromotive force again! |
| 12:28.59 | p0g0 | vertic39:Maybe- was the df showing you the drive you booted from, and is that different from he recovery drive you're running now? |
| 12:29.06 | p0g0 | *the |
| 12:29.19 | vertic39 | the mounted hdd has 3,6G... |
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| 12:30.17 | dusty_ | OldMonk, Could it be that mail.log is not big enough to be rotated yet: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29K 2009-02-09 12:21 mail.log ? |
| 12:30.22 | vertic39 | and there is the /var from my real system located, isn't it? |
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| 12:31.11 | OldMonk | dusty_: i don't see a size entry in the conf |
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| 12:31.22 | p0g0 | vertic39: we have no way of knowing that, being ignorant of the details of your boot setup and the recovery setup. |
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| 12:31.59 | OldMonk | dusty_: other logs got rotated? |
| 12:32.10 | vertic39 | /dev/sda3 73G 66G 3,6G 95% /mnt/sda3 |
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| 12:32.30 | OldMonk | vertic39: is that your root partition? |
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| 12:32.52 | OldMonk | vertic39: cat /mnt/sda3/etc/fstab and paste it somewhere |
| 12:32.57 | vertic39 | I mounted /dev/sda3 on the recovery system - on sda3 there are the logs of my real system |
| 12:33.37 | vertic39 | http://pastebin.com/m7d59e01a |
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| 12:34.42 | OldMonk | vertic39: looks good. now do this: chroot /mnt/sda3; after that, run: mount /proc; mount /sys; then do whatever you need to with your package manager |
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| 12:34.45 | p0g0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:35.26 | OldMonk | vertic39: safer to mount /boot also after the chroot |
| 12:35.26 | vertic39 | ok, done |
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| 12:35.39 | OldMonk | vertic39: be sure to umount /boot before you exit the chroot |
| 12:35.47 | soms | hey, when my server is under somewhat heavy loadd a lot of services start failing |
| 12:36.08 | dusty_ | OldMonk, i can't see any other .gz logs under /var/log |
| 12:36.11 | valdyn | !tell soms -about ask |
| 12:36.14 | vertic39 | so but I don't know how to fix my problem |
| 12:36.22 | soms | for example when I extracted 10 rar archives simultaneously, dns and dhcp server didnt work anymore, and the whole network couldnt use the internet anymore |
| 12:36.30 | OldMonk | vertic39: so what is your problem? i've forgotten :) |
| 12:36.47 | valdyn | soms: dmesg | grep -i oom |
| 12:36.48 | vertic39 | I can't connect when it boots - no logfiles are created either |
| 12:36.49 | soms | i dont see anything suspicious in dmesg or messages |
| 12:36.50 | p0g0 | OldMonk: : a lock file |
| 12:36.50 | OldMonk | dusty_: lsattr -d / /var |
| 12:37.03 | OldMonk | p0g0: nah, that was in the recovery system |
| 12:37.05 | soms | valdyn: results in nothing |
| 12:37.13 | vertic39 | OldMonk. NOPE |
| 12:37.20 | vertic39 | the logs were from the real system |
| 12:37.22 | valdyn | soms: any proofs that those services actually failed? |
| 12:37.24 | OldMonk | vertic39: er, nope what? |
| 12:37.25 | p0g0 | ohh (casting dust upon my pate).... |
| 12:37.26 | valdyn | soms: like log output? |
| 12:37.55 | soms | valdyn: I wouldnt know in which fiels to look, but definitely not in /var/log/messages or dmesg |
| 12:38.17 | valdyn | soms: they might jsut be getting slow if you are forcing them to be swapped |
| 12:38.34 | OldMonk | vertic39: run rkhunter (or chkrootkit) if you have it installed (in the chroot) |
| 12:38.38 | vertic39 | http://pastebin.com/me2ed018 |
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| 12:38.42 | soms | they became that slow that timeouts occurred |
| 12:38.43 | vertic39 | okay |
| 12:38.51 | soms | and when DHCP leases are checked a new one isnt supplied in time |
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| 12:39.03 | OldMonk | vertic39: is this from before or after the chroot? |
| 12:39.24 | vertic39 | it is from when the server was last online |
| 12:39.35 | OldMonk | vertic39: so try the same thing again |
| 12:39.54 | p0g0 | vertic39: your original complaint was that you cannot log in to the box- is that still true? |
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| 12:40.00 | OldMonk | vertic39: however, once again: if your system has been compromised the best you canhope for is to backup your personal data and reinstall |
| 12:40.14 | valdyn | soms: run vmstat 1 while you are doing this |
| 12:40.24 | vertic39 | chkroot says there is nothing suspicious |
| 12:40.43 | OldMonk | vertic39: that's hopeful |
| 12:40.44 | p0g0 | vertic39: does sda1 still have a /boot dir on it? |
| 12:40.49 | dusty_ | OldMonk, http://rafb.net/p/LfuU9G27.html |
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| 12:40.55 | vertic39 | let me see |
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| 12:41.38 | valdyn | soms: if swap si / so show activity its swapping and possibly thrashing |
| 12:41.39 | p0g0 | vertic39: more correctly, is /dev/sda1the contents of your boot dir, as that is what your fstab indicated. |
| 12:42.02 | vertic39 | nope |
| 12:42.05 | soms | what do you mean swapping? |
| 12:42.12 | soms | RAM? |
| 12:42.22 | vertic39 | there are a lot of -smp / config + grub + lost+found |
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| 12:42.32 | OldMonk | dusty_: looks ok |
| 12:42.39 | valdyn | soms: writing or reading packages to or from swap |
| 12:42.42 | OldMonk | dusty_: you ok with forcing the logrotate? |
| 12:42.44 | p0g0 | vertic39: that sounds about right |
| 12:42.46 | valdyn | soms: writing or reading *pages* to or from swap |
| 12:42.55 | vertic39 | http://pastebin.com/m510ad774 |
| 12:42.55 | OldMonk | dusty_: it might result in some logs getting lost eventually |
| 12:43.08 | soms | valdyn I'm not sure but this box has a lot of RAM |
| 12:43.18 | soms | ill try what u suggest first |
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| 12:43.35 | p0g0 | vertic39: when you start the machine, do you get the grub menu? |
| 12:43.44 | valdyn | soms: alot is useless if you need a huge lot to run your workload |
| 12:43.48 | vertic39 | p0g0: it's a root server - only can ssh it |
| 12:43.52 | OldMonk | dusty_: you can logrotate -v /etc/logrotate.conf and see what it does. backup /var/log first. |
| 12:44.36 | OldMonk | vertic39: copy /var/log/dmesg /var/log/syslog from /mnt/sda3 somewhere and ask someone competent to examine them |
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| 12:44.37 | p0g0 | vertic39: nah, it has a BIOS, and the chip will search for a boot block- you should be able to see that iwth a monitor on the box. |
| 12:45.20 | OldMonk | dusty_: er, logrotate -v -f /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 12:45.46 | vertic39 | p0g0: of course it has a bios ^^ but ...it's rented |
| 12:46.02 | p0g0 | vertic39: you might have a headless system, one without a monitor, but the boot sequence for a grub install is the same- if grub is messed up, you'll likely not get the network started, and hence, no ssh. |
| 12:46.28 | OldMonk | p0g0: his system may not even be coming up at all |
| 12:46.43 | OldMonk | vertic39: can you ping the system once it boots? |
| 12:46.44 | p0g0 | OldMonk: good point, tho he can mount /dev/sda3 |
| 12:46.47 | vertic39 | nope |
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| 12:46.51 | vertic39 | no ping |
| 12:46.56 | OldMonk | p0g0: that's in recovery |
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| 12:47.09 | OldMonk | looks like a messed up grub entry to me |
| 12:47.21 | p0g0 | OldMonk: right, all it says is that the filesystem is intac on /dev/sda3 |
| 12:47.35 | p0g0 | OldMonk: I agree that is likely. |
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| 12:47.57 | OldMonk | dusty_: i'd suggest you get the hosting tech guys to boot the system for you and check what's wrong |
| 12:48.05 | OldMonk | er... |
| 12:48.10 | OldMonk | vertic39: i'd suggest you get the hosting tech guys to boot the system for you and check what's wrong |
| 12:48.15 | vertic39 | http://pastebin.com/m3c607c86 that's my grub menu.lst |
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| 12:48.35 | OldMonk | vertic39: almost impossible to debug grub remotely |
| 12:48.38 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 12:48.50 | mynullvoid | how can I clone my bootable usb? |
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| 12:49.08 | mahnlto5 | dd |
| 12:49.10 | mynullvoid | I tried dd but it won't boot |
| 12:49.16 | OldMonk | mynullvoid: dd if=/dev/usb/1 of=/dev/usb/2 (or whatever your paths are) |
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| 12:49.44 | mynullvoid | I want to clone the whole usb, even there are 3 partition in it |
| 12:49.52 | OldMonk | mynullvoid: dd will do that |
| 12:50.01 | mynullvoid | hmmm |
| 12:50.08 | valdyn | mynullvoid: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 12:50.11 | vertic39 | why do you think it is grub? |
| 12:50.23 | mynullvoid | hmmm |
| 12:50.26 | p0g0 | mynullvoid: did you reinstall grub after the dd? |
| 12:50.32 | mynullvoid | nope |
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| 12:50.44 | vertic39 | I don't think that there is something changed - more likely there is somehing fucked up after an update, isn't there? |
| 12:50.54 | mynullvoid | that's why I am asking for guide to clone my bootable usb |
| 12:51.25 | OldMonk | p0g0: would you need to? |
| 12:51.50 | OldMonk | vertic39: updates change things :) |
| 12:52.16 | p0g0 | OldMonk: I am not sure- but if the USB's don't have the same virtual CHS setup, I think grub might not find the right boot block... |
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| 12:52.26 | OldMonk | p0g0: ah, true |
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| 12:52.32 | mynullvoid | can I clone my usb into a image file? |
| 12:52.36 | liable | aloha p0g0 |
| 12:52.40 | p0g0 | mynullvoid: yes |
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| 12:52.53 | mynullvoid | any tool and how? |
| 12:52.58 | p0g0 | liable: gosh it's good to be civilized again. |
| 12:53.00 | OldMonk | mynullvoid: dd :) |
| 12:53.06 | valdyn | chs has nothing to do with this |
| 12:53.07 | mynullvoid | :D |
| 12:53.11 | liable | p0g0: heh, the ice melted? |
| 12:53.17 | valdyn | dd works and clones the whole block device |
| 12:53.21 | p0g0 | mynullvoid: of= /somedir/somefile |
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| 12:53.33 | zzattack2 | valdyn I logged vmstat under the same conditions, I lost my DHCP lease, pages started timing out etc |
| 12:53.35 | mynullvoid | dd if=/dev/sdb of=? |
| 12:53.55 | zzattack2 | I think that because I lost my shell I haven't got the entire log but i must have a part of, will u look at it? |
| 12:53.58 | p0g0 | liable: heck, went from -23c to +20C in three days. |
| 12:54.09 | valdyn | zzattack2: sure |
| 12:54.22 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 12:54.32 | zzattack2 | http://zzattack.org/vmstat.log |
| 12:54.41 | mynullvoid | and later after i restore it, how do I install grub in it? |
| 12:54.52 | zzattack2 | about two seconds after the logging started I started the unpackign of the archives |
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| 12:55.24 | zzattack2 | dmesg only shows quite some rejectwall messages |
| 12:55.27 | OldMonk | zzattack2: you sure have slow i/o |
| 12:55.40 | zzattack2 | OldMonk: oh? |
| 12:55.44 | valdyn | zzattack2: rejectwall? |
| 12:55.58 | liable | p0g0: would have been fun to see the landscape change i guess.. better to get lecky turned back on though |
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| 12:55.58 | zzattack2 | valdyn: iptables rejected connections |
| 12:56.00 | OldMonk | zzattack2: 60-70% of your cpu time is spent waiting for i/o tocomplete |
| 12:56.03 | mynullvoid | p0g0: how do I install the bootloader? |
| 12:56.09 | OldMonk | zzattack2: the last column |
| 12:56.10 | zzattack2 | OldMonk: that sucks |
| 12:56.18 | valdyn | OldMonk: thats expected when running unrar |
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| 12:56.27 | valdyn | zzattack2: thats just fine |
| 12:56.28 | p0g0 | valdyn: uhm, the scsi-style linear addressing still relies on the underlying controller to serve up the blocks...I have seen that be quite odd in rare circumstances, like just by adding another drive, the LBA/CHS settings on the first drive can change (yes, it really really happens). |
| 12:56.31 | zzattack2 | hm okay |
| 12:56.46 | valdyn | zzattack2: are you running some userspace firewall thing? |
| 12:56.58 | zzattack2 | not that I know |
| 12:57.02 | zzattack2 | just iptables |
| 12:57.08 | p0g0 | mynullvoid: man grub-install |
| 12:57.11 | OldMonk | valdyn: it is? *mutter* looks high to me but i could be wrong |
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| 12:58.13 | ronr | hi, how can I figure out how much memory a particular proces is using (by pid)? |
| 12:58.23 | zzattack2 | OldMonk: unrarring 5 files from and to the same disk must be very IO intensive and if as you say a lot of time is spent on waiting for IO |
| 12:58.26 | valdyn | zzattack2: the rejects should not be related, but they seem to be? or why did you mention it? |
| 12:58.34 | p0g0 | liable: It's less work when the mains are up...all those greenhouse flowers Really Hate 0 dg C. |
| 12:58.39 | zzattack2 | valdyn: thats just all I see in dmesg |
| 12:58.41 | valdyn | zzattack2: the io wait time is not spent |
| 12:58.58 | zzattack2 | valdyn: okay, so that shouldnt cause hangs then? |
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| 12:59.00 | valdyn | zzattack2: it just means that your cpu is faster than the disk can read data to unrar |
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| 12:59.08 | zzattack2 | alright |
| 12:59.29 | valdyn | zzattack2: any ids running? |
| 12:59.39 | valdyn | zzattack2: ( intrusion detection system ) ? |
| 12:59.46 | zzattack2 | nope |
| 13:00.06 | valdyn | zzattack2: network congested? that rar happens to/from local disk? |
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| 13:00.19 | zzattack2 | yes, extracted on the local disk |
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| 13:00.38 | valdyn | zzattack2: both from and to local? |
| 13:00.45 | zzattack2 | valdyn: yeah |
| 13:01.02 | valdyn | zzattack2: i cant explain this unless you are getting hangs |
| 13:01.11 | zzattack2 | also no other possible network congestion I'd say |
| 13:01.30 | zzattack2 | I'm the only one c onnected over gigabit, all others are over WAN or 100mbit |
| 13:01.56 | valdyn | zzattack2: maybe your nic driver is shit |
| 13:02.08 | valdyn | zzattack2: or the whole nic is shit |
| 13:02.16 | doudou | ban is finish? |
| 13:02.31 | scientes | zzattack2, is it a realtek 8168? |
| 13:02.35 | valdyn | zzattack2: check how pings work while you have those dhcp issues |
| 13:02.40 | p0g0 | or the switch gets FUBAR trying to manage 1gb along with 100mb |
| 13:02.54 | valdyn | zzattack2: if pings break down too then you have a kernel or hardware bug |
| 13:03.10 | scientes | zzattack2, or does ethtool say it is at 10Mbit? |
| 13:03.11 | Stanlin | HELP , why hibernation screws with the touchpad?? |
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| 13:03.24 | zzattack2 | the NICs are a onboard nVidia and a NETGEAR |
| 13:03.30 | Stanlin | HELP how to restart the touchpad? |
| 13:03.40 | scientes | zzattack2, is the nvidia a realtek 8168 or r8168 |
| 13:03.42 | zzattack2 | the nvidia has atheros chip |
| 13:03.44 | valdyn | zzattack2: so you could experimentally switch nics |
| 13:03.44 | sepski | Stanlin, remove and reload the kernel module for it. |
| 13:03.46 | scientes | zzattack2, use lspci -vvv |
| 13:03.56 | sepski | Stanlin, and the capital help is plain annoying ! |
| 13:04.10 | Stanlin | sepski: Thanks!!!! |
| 13:04.11 | zzattack2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.19 | scientes | yeah upgrade your kernel |
| 13:04.23 | scientes | i had the same problem |
| 13:04.27 | valdyn | zzattack2: which is what i would do, if both use different drivers chances are good it will work better with switched nics |
| 13:04.37 | zzattack2 | scientes im running 2.6.28.3 |
| 13:04.44 | scientes | hmmm |
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| 13:05.24 | scientes | well that is the probe, i had, the driver is r8169 but is suppose to work with r8168 too but it doesnt |
| 13:05.35 | zzattack2 | scientes: ethtool says the modem is conneted at 100mbit and the switch at 1000mbit |
| 13:05.41 | zzattack2 | which is correct |
| 13:05.44 | scientes | but now that driver works for me |
| 13:05.55 | scientes | oh well in my caseit said 10mb half duplux |
| 13:06.10 | mynullvoid | anyone know of good raid recovery tool out there? my server data can't be access, I guess some idiot shuffle the disc and not all data is gone, my server is on RAID 5 |
| 13:06.16 | zzattack2 | scientes: is it possible to just swap the wires and have the eth0 and eth1 interfaces swapped as well |
| 13:06.39 | valdyn | mynullvoid: shuffling disks doesnt do anything to kill your raid |
| 13:06.46 | scientes | zzattack2, well yes but you have to reconfigure the net on the box |
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| 13:07.18 | mynullvoid | valdyn: my server is not booting |
| 13:07.26 | zzattack2 | scientes: I mean, if I swap the wires and the interface names are swapped as well i wouldnt have to reconfigure the net |
| 13:07.26 | p0g0 | scientes: maybe- they might both be dhcp |
| 13:07.54 | valdyn | mynullvoid: so its kaputt, duh, doesnt mean someone shuffled disks |
| 13:07.59 | scientes | zzattack2, p0g0 yes the names are linked to the cards, but you might have to re dhclient your cards etc |
| 13:08.22 | jaggz- | why after etch->lenny upgrade is my X11 video (ati radeon) slower? |
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| 13:09.45 | mynullvoid | valdyn: what happen is that, my technician says, Server A power supply died, so he took all the 5 discs from Server A and put it in Server B, but he forget to take out the first disc; leaving one disc at the Server B and the rest of 4 disc from Server A; now both of the server data can't be accessed |
| 13:10.40 | p0g0 | mynullvoid: you've restored all the drives to their original order and settings? |
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| 13:11.49 | zzattack | ok I swapped the network wires, edited my firewall script and edited /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:13.09 | zzattack | should that do the trick |
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| 13:15.47 | frido | exist any sources that are "compilable" on 2.6.28.3 ? |
| 13:15.54 | frido | errr |
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| 13:21.39 | ^shark_ | is it advisable to add my own cron to /etc/crontab |
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| 13:22.18 | jelly | ^shark_: does it run as root? |
| 13:22.30 | ^shark_ | jelly: yes |
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| 13:23.12 | dusty_ | OldMonk, Look what happened: http://rafb.net/p/wukae877.html |
| 13:23.13 | jelly | ^shark_: you have a lot of options, all the /etc/cron.*, user's own crontab. I've never really had to edit /etc/crontab itself. |
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| 13:29.30 | mynullvoid | p0g0: I had restored all drives in their original order |
| 13:29.58 | mynullvoid | p0g0: now the server can't boot even with their original discs |
| 13:30.11 | mynullvoid | those are file servers |
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| 13:30.26 | p0g0 | mynullvoid: did your tech bomb the drive that he left in the old server? |
| 13:30.30 | mynullvoid | p0g0: i just need to copy the files |
| 13:30.49 | mynullvoid | bomb? |
| 13:30.56 | mynullvoid | i don't know what he did |
| 13:31.02 | p0g0 | mynullvoid: did he write to the drive when it was not in the raid array? |
| 13:31.04 | mynullvoid | p0g0: I had label the drives |
| 13:31.40 | mynullvoid | p0g0: he said unable to boot and he said just delete logical array which was empty |
| 13:31.54 | mynullvoid | p0g0: he said never installed anything |
| 13:31.56 | p0g0 | mynullvoid: well, I guess I'd use mdadm to examine the Raid array, and if that was intact, try to fsck the array. |
| 13:32.16 | mynullvoid | p0g0: it was running win2k |
| 13:32.24 | mynullvoid | and now it won't boot at all |
| 13:32.37 | p0g0 | looks at the channel title... |
| 13:32.53 | mynullvoid | p0g0: sorry it is out of topic |
| 13:33.05 | p0g0 | mynullvoid: good luck. |
| 13:33.06 | mynullvoid | p0g0: but I am dead because of him |
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| 13:33.24 | AndyGee | Hi |
| 13:33.29 | mynullvoid | p0g0: any link of any good software to recover those files? |
| 13:33.48 | p0g0 | mynullvoid: I don't. |
| 13:34.04 | p0g0 | *I don't know of any... |
| 13:34.25 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 13:34.27 | mynullvoid | thanks |
| 13:34.30 | mynullvoid | :( |
| 13:34.54 | AndyGee | How can i confirm that a kernel module did get options passed on boot? |
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| 13:36.10 | JyZyXEL | AndyGee from logs |
| 13:36.54 | jelly | mynullvoid: either contact a data recovery company or restore from backups (or do both) |
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| 13:39.10 | jelly | mynullvoid: at this point you might have invalid metadata describing the raid arrays on the four drives from server A, or the remaining 1 drive from server B or both; depends on what the raid controller tried to do |
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| 13:43.52 | Pete_ | hi! Im installing etch with debootstrap "debootstrap --arch amd64 etch ./ ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian", but it dont install all needed packages. Im missing lots of stuff. Like /etc/inittab |
| 13:44.15 | Pete_ | why? i have installed 32bit guests without no problem and only difference is "--arch amd64" is there somethink im missing now? |
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| 13:53.25 | upIRC | any prerequisites i need to know, dual booting vista and debian. Can grub manage this? |
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| 13:53.50 | tetraedr | hi |
| 13:53.50 | Titosemi | does anyone knows any app like apachetop but for the browser? |
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| 13:54.38 | tetraedr | I'm trying to install firefox 3.0.5 on debian lenny, I even installed it :) but now it says server not found on any url :( what should I do with it to make it work? |
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| 13:57.28 | apspoliveira__ | is there something like an Uninterruptible power supply (UPS) that can be used for, let's say, 4 hours? |
| 13:57.40 | tetraedr | apspoliveira__, yes |
| 13:57.48 | tetraedr | it's called industrial ups |
| 13:57.49 | ribasushi | can someone comment on this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506131#30 |
| 13:57.53 | tetraedr | used for raks |
| 13:57.59 | ribasushi | I have never heard of a sid freeze before...? |
| 13:58.15 | tetraedr | apspoliveira__, btw, have you ever heard about generator? :) |
| 13:58.24 | tetraedr | apspoliveira__, works while you got gas :) |
| 13:58.32 | stew | ribasushi: /msg dpkg slushy |
| 13:58.41 | doudou | what is channel for object programming and uml? |
| 13:58.54 | ribasushi | apspoliveira__: a mid-range 1500va APC will last about 3 - 4 hours if you don't have your monitor on |
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| 13:59.46 | ribasushi | bah... that's retarded |
| 13:59.48 | ribasushi | oh well |
| 13:59.49 | stew | my laptop runs for 4 hours after losing power |
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| 14:00.15 | ribasushi | stew: is it reasonable to ask him to release it into experimental? |
| 14:01.26 | stew | ribasushi: probably. its probably also reasonable for him to say "wait a week for lenny to be released" |
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| 14:02.20 | Titosemi | does anyone knows a apache monitoring tool? |
| 14:02.42 | ribasushi | stew: when did debian meeat a deadline? :) |
| 14:02.48 | ribasushi | *meet |
| 14:03.53 | apspoliveira__ | tetraedr: never heard |
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| 14:05.04 | apspoliveira__ | ribasushi: what means APC |
| 14:05.27 | ribasushi | http://www.apc.com/index.cfm?ISOCountryCode=us |
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| 14:07.08 | esaym | how do I see how many bytes of memory a program is using? |
| 14:07.21 | dtcrshr | top |
| 14:07.32 | dtcrshr | <> |
| 14:08.26 | tetraedr | any ideas on how to make firefox x32 to work on debian lenny x64? |
| 14:08.32 | abrotman | a chroot |
| 14:08.55 | tetraedr | abrotman, ??? |
| 14:09.00 | abrotman | !!! |
| 14:09.01 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 14:09.14 | ribasushi | tetraedr: however note that is is an unwieldy mess, consider rinning 32bit if you need 32bit software |
| 14:09.30 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+amd64+chroot&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 14:09.36 | tetraedr | ribasushi, I would run x64, but there is no such build :( |
| 14:09.46 | esaym | dtcrshr: yes but top shows percent, and for this process the usage percent is 0.0 |
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| 14:09.51 | tetraedr | abrotman, I understand what do you mean, but thats not the best way imho |
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| 14:10.19 | ribasushi | tetraedr: not best, only way |
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| 14:10.35 | abrotman | tetraedr: the best way would be to run i386 instead of amd64 .. i think that's fairly obvious |
| 14:11.13 | tetraedr | abrotman, neah, then I'll better latest nightly with x86_64 release, just there is no my locale :( |
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| 14:12.07 | abrotman | no FF locale or system locale? |
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| 14:12.45 | p0g0 | tetraedr: well, a gruesome workaround would be to install virtualbox OSE and then install a 32 bit os there. |
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| 14:13.19 | abrotman | that's worse than the chroot :) |
| 14:13.20 | quique_ | has anyone had experience with the Intel PRO/1000 PT Quad Port Server Adapter series under etch or lenny? |
| 14:13.22 | tetraedr | p0g0, iceweasel helped |
| 14:13.27 | tetraedr | abrotman, no ff locale |
| 14:13.50 | abrotman | so .. 32bit FF has your locale but 64bit doesn't ? |
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| 14:14.07 | tetraedr | abrotman, yup |
| 14:14.29 | tetraedr | abrotman, http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ - only en-US |
| 14:14.44 | abrotman | which locale is this ? |
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| 14:14.49 | tetraedr | btw, how do I clear those noices from snd-hda-intel on-board? |
| 14:15.03 | abrotman | would think en-US is pretty popular |
| 14:15.03 | tetraedr | abrotman, i need ru-RU |
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| 14:15.42 | XB23 | guys how do i check what users are in group sasl |
| 14:15.54 | OldMonk | ff locales are platform-dependent? |
| 14:15.54 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel-l10n-ru --arch amd64 |
| 14:15.56 | judd | abrotman: iceweasel-l10n-ru -- etch: 2.0.0.3+debian-1etch1 sid: 1:3.0.3+debian-2 lenny: 1:3.0.5+debian-1 sid: 1:3.0.6+debian-1 |
| 14:16.08 | abrotman | tetraedr: seems to be in etch and lenny and sid .. i don't see a problem |
| 14:16.31 | tetraedr | abrotman, I've meant clean FF, not iceweasel |
| 14:16.50 | abrotman | well, we told oyu how to do it .. you're on your own now |
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| 14:17.23 | tetraedr | abrotman, iceweasel seems to be ok, works and I'm currently installing add-ons I'm used to |
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| 14:17.38 | ribasushi | it's weird nobody packages ff in non-free |
| 14:17.40 | abrotman | tetraedr: the chroot is probably your best course at this point |
| 14:17.51 | XB23 | guys how do i check what users are in group sasl |
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| 14:18.02 | OldMonk | tetraedr: iceweasel is ff in any case |
| 14:18.06 | abrotman | ribasushi: that would be pretty irresponsible at this point |
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| 14:18.22 | abrotman | XB23: didn't you just ask that a minute ago? |
| 14:18.23 | tetraedr | OldMonk, sort of, but still this is a fork. for now it suits me and so be it. |
| 14:18.32 | ribasushi | abrotman: how different is this from providing flash for example? |
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| 14:18.43 | stew | ribasushi: debian doesn't distribute flash |
| 14:18.44 | abrotman | ribasushi: which they no longer will do .. for example |
| 14:18.45 | OldMonk | tetraedr: the only changes are branding changes AFAIK |
| 14:18.55 | XB23 | abrotman yeh but nobody answered |
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| 14:19.10 | ribasushi | I said provide not distribute ;) |
| 14:19.14 | abrotman | ribasushi: and the flashplugin-nonfree just downloaded the tar.gz from adobe .. they didn't actually distribute |
| 14:19.23 | OldMonk | XB23: grep '^sasl:' /etc/groups |
| 14:19.28 | ribasushi | a user couldn't care less how it got on the machine |
| 14:19.28 | tetraedr | I've got only question left: how do I remove those background noises frin on-board sound card (snd-hda-intel :)) ? |
| 14:19.57 | tetraedr | *from |
| 14:20.01 | p0g0 | ribasushi: ff is often a minor release or so ahead of iceweasel, but I run iceweasel here in 64 bit, with flashblock and flash- it runs fine, tho some sites whiene about not having the latest release- they seem to mis-interprate the release value. |
| 14:20.14 | p0g0 | *whine |
| 14:20.32 | ribasushi | p0g0: I use iceweasel too, but if I had the option I wouldn't |
| 14:20.46 | abrotman | you do have the option |
| 14:20.50 | stew | ribasushi: why don't you have the option of not using iceweasel? |
| 14:21.15 | ribasushi | non-apt == non-sensible option :) |
| 14:21.34 | stew | ribasushi: "aptitude remove iceweasel" should remove iceweasel for you |
| 14:21.53 | ribasushi | stew: and apt-get install firefox will do... what exactly? |
| 14:22.00 | Rusty1 | debugfs fu? |
| 14:22.05 | OldMonk | stew: he means replace iceweasel w/ ff |
| 14:22.25 | stew | ribasushi: it would say somethign along the lines of "no such package" |
| 14:22.34 | ribasushi | stew: bingo |
| 14:22.54 | stew | ribasushi: there are lots of other www-browsers available |
| 14:23.22 | ribasushi | this is beyond the point (why do I even argue) |
| 14:23.23 | JayPiKay | why not downloading it manually and extracting it to something like /opt? |
| 14:23.38 | abrotman | JayPiKay: see his comment about software outside apt |
| 14:23.45 | ribasushi | JayPiKay: for the same reason I use debian in favor of slackware or gentoo |
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| 14:24.27 | JayPiKay | abrotman, yeah so put it into /opt, it just stays there. That's what the directory is for |
| 14:24.41 | stew | ribasushi: why would you want firefox instead of iceweasel? |
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| 14:25.39 | ribasushi | because I'm implicitly distrust branches created on religious grounds |
| 14:25.47 | ribasushi | s/I'm/I/ |
| 14:26.00 | stew | ribasushi: what do you mean by religious? |
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| 14:26.27 | ribasushi | I mean insisting on Stallman kind of free |
| 14:26.48 | ribasushi | I use debian because of the convenience not because of whatever freedoms it comes with (and I suspect I am far from alone) |
| 14:27.10 | OldMonk | ribasushi: if a software's licence doesn't let it be distributed as free software, then you can't include that software in a free software distribution |
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| 14:27.22 | OldMonk | ribasushi: nothing religious about it |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | ribasushi: there are debian-based distros that don't care about such things .. you're welcome to use those instead |
| 14:27.40 | stew | ribasushi: you might want to try ubuntu then, or some other derived distribution |
| 14:27.43 | icenine | OldMonk, there is still non-free |
| 14:27.56 | stew | icenine: non-free won't work in this case |
| 14:28.06 | ribasushi | all the derivations insist on being too cutsy |
| 14:28.11 | OldMonk | stew: why not? curious... |
| 14:28.12 | icenine | agreed |
| 14:28.13 | ribasushi | ubuntu leading the way |
| 14:28.15 | icenine | make your own deriv |
| 14:28.18 | icenine | it's easy |
| 14:28.19 | icenine | heh |
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| 14:28.46 | icenine | 1. copy distribution 2. ....... 3. Profit! |
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| 14:28.55 | OldMonk | stew: got a url that explains why non-free won't work? |
| 14:28.57 | stew | OldMonk: becuase mozilla said we can't |
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| 14:29.14 | stew | OldMonk: and becuase we aren't allowed to provide security patches for it if it is named firefox |
| 14:29.16 | icenine | i agree |
| 14:29.21 | icenine | apt is the only good package management tool ; |
| 14:29.22 | icenine | :D |
| 14:29.23 | OldMonk | stew: ah, so |
| 14:29.31 | begemot | Guys, i think that kind of trolls, like ribasushi are not real, they just send to us by Micrisift, etc to recource those who are not completely discovered FSF philosophy! O_O |
| 14:29.45 | begemot | *Microsoft |
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| 14:31.05 | stew | OldMonk: for a url, /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
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| 14:31.43 | ribasushi | begemot: this is trolling - there are many things between microsoft and fsf |
| 14:31.57 | ribasushi | "with us or against us" got kicked out of office a month ago btw :) |
| 14:32.03 | OldMonk | stew: is this a trademark issue or a copyright issue? |
| 14:32.19 | OldMonk | feel free to not answer if it's not relevant here |
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| 14:32.22 | ribasushi | stew: so distribution is allowed, modifications are not |
| 14:32.35 | ribasushi | stew: meaning non-free would be a suitable place |
| 14:32.55 | OldMonk | ah, it's both -- trademark on modified copies and copyright on the artwork |
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| 14:33.13 | stew | OldMonk: trademark |
| 14:34.03 | OldMonk | stew: apparently the artwork copyright is also coming into play here (not for the rebranding though) |
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| 14:34.50 | stew | OldMonk: there are problems even if you ignore problems with the artwork |
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| 14:35.07 | OldMonk | stew: yup, i can see that. tangled... but iceweasel works for me, i'm not complaining |
| 14:35.08 | stew | ribasushi: its not suitable for non-free becuase we can't support it, and there are better alternatives available in main |
| 14:35.22 | ribasushi | stew: this however brings an imbalance |
| 14:35.35 | ribasushi | i.e. I have to chose which security team do I trust - debian or mozilla |
| 14:35.42 | ribasushi | the answer is quite obvious |
| 14:35.45 | OldMonk | hehheh |
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| 14:35.58 | stew | ribasushi: right, which is why you should use iceweasel |
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| 14:36.35 | ribasushi | well that's not my conclusion, but at least you acknowledge the issue |
| 14:37.01 | stew | ribasushi: wait, are you actually saying that getting the fix for mozilla would be better? |
| 14:37.06 | stoned | good morning |
| 14:37.19 | avu | ribasushi, on what data do you base that conclusion? |
| 14:37.29 | ribasushi | yes, because they are ahead of the pack (for obvious reasons) |
| 14:37.42 | ribasushi | it will take weeks to trickle to debian |
| 14:37.46 | ribasushi | to iceweasel sorry |
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| 14:37.52 | stew | ribasushi: so lets say there is a bug in firefox, then we wait for mozilla to fix the bug, then you wait for the debian packager to package a new upstream version, then wait for him to upload it to unstable, then you wait for it to move to testing, then you wait a year or so for testing to become stable, then you get a security fix in stable for firefox |
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| 14:38.14 | stew | ribasushi: the alternative is that debian is allowed to fix the bug and a debian patched version is uploaded directly to stable |
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| 14:38.31 | ribasushi | well, using stable is not a viable option anyway (especially if you use non-free) |
| 14:38.31 | stoned | yes.. then iceweasel has bugs that firefox doesn't |
| 14:38.57 | OldMonk | i thought he was referring to the openssl debacle? |
| 14:39.00 | ribasushi | I am not saying iceweasel is a waste of time |
| 14:39.02 | ribasushi | don't get me wrong |
| 14:39.03 | stoned | debian specific bugs... I also do not use IW, but FF |
| 14:39.04 | OldMonk | throws some more fuel onto the fire... |
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| 14:39.14 | ribasushi | OldMonk: I'm not, it wasn't debian's fault at all |
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| 14:39.27 | OldMonk | ribasushi: it wasn't? |
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| 14:39.31 | stoned | Iceweasel has ALWAYS randomly crashed at random times, firefox doesn't... I use what works. |
| 14:39.43 | stoned | foe me |
| 14:39.45 | quique_ | ribasushi: your arguments are flat |
| 14:40.00 | OldMonk | stoned: i used to have that problem till about 8-12 months back, not anymore |
| 14:40.04 | stoned | but on sid iw crashes very very less freq. |
| 14:40.11 | stoned | in only stable does IW crashed a lot |
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| 14:40.22 | ribasushi | OldMonk: the guy sent the patch for review and got an ack |
| 14:40.22 | quique_ | firefox has all sorts of problems |
| 14:40.27 | OldMonk | well, i use lenny |
| 14:40.29 | ribasushi | OldMonk: what more is there to look for? |
| 14:40.40 | OldMonk | ribasushi: ok, i'll take your word for it |
| 14:40.40 | stoned | OldMonk, I haven't used IW in a while, I guess I Can give it another shot |
| 14:40.50 | stoned | if you say the crashing has stopped |
| 14:40.55 | stew | stoned: which bug # are you talking about? |
| 14:41.00 | OldMonk | stoned: it's pretty rock stable now |
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| 14:41.04 | ribasushi | OldMonk: I actually looked it up at the time, he did submit the patch to openssl, and someone clearly said "no objections" |
| 14:41.11 | stoned | stew, I will try to find it, I forgot... |
| 14:41.29 | stoned | stew, its been a while though so that may not be applicable anymore |
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| 14:41.58 | OldMonk | ribasushi: it never went into openssl upstream though |
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| 14:42.23 | quique_ | hey does any know if the 82571GB chipset works well on debian? |
| 14:42.30 | ribasushi | OldMonk: that's beyond the point |
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| 14:43.17 | OldMonk | ribasushi: anyhow, if you say openssl approved the patch, that's something i didn't know. it was gross oversight on both parts then in any case |
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| 14:44.52 | ribasushi | OldMonk: I can even dig up the thread, but rathe busy |
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| 14:45.06 | ribasushi | but I am positive I found it when I was reading up on what happened |
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| 14:45.25 | OldMonk | ribasushi: nah, it's cool, i believe you (until and unless evidence to the contrary turns up) |
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| 14:47.03 | quique_ | can anyone help his or her fellow geek out here. I need to make a decision on an expensive 4 port nic and would like to know what I'm getting into... |
| 14:47.22 | ribasushi | quique_: sure a switch won't do? |
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| 14:47.27 | stew | OldMonk: thread starting here: http://marc.info/?l=openssl-dev&m=114651085826293&w=2 |
| 14:47.34 | quique_ | no I'm running xen |
| 14:47.52 | quique_ | and need various interfaces |
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| 14:48.52 | stoned | stew, msg |
| 14:48.58 | stew | no thanks |
| 14:49.01 | quique_ | right now I'm having issues with the 82563EB chipset in etch |
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| 14:49.43 | quique_ | got a supermicro x7dvl-e running 4.0r3 xen |
| 14:50.09 | tetraedr | is there any way I can change IRQ for some device if bios doesn't allow me to do this? (it doesn't config for this :( |
| 14:50.16 | quique_ | all the mac addresses show up as the same |
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| 14:53.48 | quique_ | ribasushi check out the paste bin of an ifconfig: http://paste.debian.net/28006/ |
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| 14:54.05 | valdyn | quique_: why would you need multiple interfaces for xen? |
| 14:54.20 | ribasushi | quique_: point taken |
| 14:54.20 | valdyn | quique_: can your system even saturate half of 4000Gb ? |
| 14:54.28 | quique_ | hi traffic |
| 14:55.02 | quique_ | 4000gb? |
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| 14:55.12 | quique_ | you mean 4gb? |
| 14:55.18 | valdyn | quique_: yea |
| 14:55.55 | quique_ | i've got multiple samba servers, openbravo servers, egroupware servers, pxe servers, etc |
| 14:56.17 | tetraedr | any ideas how to change irq not in bios? |
| 14:56.30 | abrotman | tetraedr: didn't you say it was an ISA device ? |
| 14:56.50 | tetraedr | abrotman, it wasn't ISA device, it is on-board device |
| 14:56.55 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 14:57.11 | tetraedr | abrotman, it shares irq with usb hub :) moving mouse makes more noise :):):):) |
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| 14:57.47 | abrotman | tetraedr: plug the mouse into the usb keyboard instead ? |
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| 14:58.23 | tetraedr | abrotman, this wount fix the problem (I've already tried :)) |
| 14:58.27 | valdyn | tetraedr: why would sharing an irq cause noise? |
| 14:58.37 | valdyn | tetraedr: thats nonsense |
| 14:58.44 | tetraedr | valdyn, thats the fact :) |
| 14:58.49 | abrotman | maybe it's a crappy hub ? |
| 14:58.51 | valdyn | tetraedr: no its nonsense |
| 14:58.53 | tetraedr | valdyn, http://alsa.opensrc.org/AlsaTips#Fighting_disturbed_sound |
| 14:59.34 | stoned | I feel much better now |
| 14:59.52 | stoned | IW also hasn't crashed in 10 mins + |
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| 15:00.04 | valdyn | tetraedr: its more likely electromagnetic interference than anything else |
| 15:00.07 | stoned | I think good thigns will happen |
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| 15:00.32 | tetraedr | valdyn, when I don't move the mouse its almost quiet. |
| 15:00.48 | tetraedr | valdyn, when I'm moving mouse - noise gets lourd |
| 15:00.50 | tetraedr | *louder |
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| 15:01.08 | Levan-i | hi, i installed netdiag by "apt-get install netdiag" i am using trafshow, i am on X86_AMD, but i see there is old version of trafshow, how do i upgrade the version of netdiag? |
| 15:01.09 | quique_ | valdyn you can actually hear the noise? |
| 15:01.21 | valdyn | quique_: he can |
| 15:01.41 | \amethyst | tetraedr: there was a link there about "if the sound disturbance is somehow related to moving windows or cursor": http://slinkp.com/LiLAQ/VideoCard/ |
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| 15:02.00 | quique_ | wtf? tetraedr can you try a different hub? |
| 15:02.04 | tetraedr | \amethyst, thanks, will look at it |
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| 15:02.14 | tetraedr | quique_, hub is working anyway. whats the sense? |
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| 15:02.27 | quique_ | to make sure it's the hub |
| 15:02.29 | \amethyst | tetraedr: does it happen when moving the mouse in text mode? |
| 15:02.29 | tetraedr | quique_, is there any way to change irq? |
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| 15:02.42 | quique_ | yes I think there is |
| 15:03.00 | tetraedr | \amethyst, the same, thats what /proc/interrupts says: 22: 11 3448 IO-APIC-fasteoi ehci_hcd:usb1, HDA Intel |
| 15:03.03 | quique_ | have to remember my lpi study stuff |
| 15:03.31 | quique_ | why do you think it's an irq think? |
| 15:03.35 | quique_ | thing? |
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| 15:04.03 | tetraedr | stop it people. can you tell me how to reassign irq for the specified device? |
| 15:04.24 | now | working with 8mb soundless strem vedio and with a swfobject which is a java script in leeny are there any other packages i would need to get this up and running on a web page (other than apache and PHP) |
| 15:04.35 | now | lenny |
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| 15:05.50 | Levan-i | hi, i installed netdiag by "apt-get install netdiag" i am using trafshow, i am on X86_AMD, but i see there is old version of trafshow, how do i upgrade the version of netdiag? |
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| 15:06.27 | quique_ | tetraedir i think you need to contact the mobo manufracturer |
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| 15:07.07 | stoned | why dont' you stream though something that doesn't require java and flash |
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| 15:07.20 | stoned | maybe like videolan... |
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| 15:08.27 | quique_ | tetraedr: what is the mobo make and model? it is sharing an irq? |
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| 15:09.07 | riot | hi |
| 15:09.19 | bolt-work | HELO, riot |
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| 15:10.23 | now | stoned: well as I understand it on the sever side I was thinking I have the script and the vid thats all I thought I would need its on the client side that what you mentioned is needed |
| 15:10.26 | riot | uh, i installed testing with dm_crypt and lvm on a usb-hdd for my workstation using my notebook. Now when i boot, the kernel looks for the dm_crypt on /dev/sda2 but as it is connected to a normal ide-controller now, it should be /dev/hda2.. how can i change that? |
| 15:11.05 | stoned | if it is 8mb why are you streaming it? |
| 15:11.07 | tetraedr | quique_, yes, it is sharing irq with usb hub. model - motherboard: nforce, chip: MCP61 |
| 15:11.19 | stoned | just embed it on your page and let people view it |
| 15:11.32 | bolt-work | riot: boot from something else and change it in fstab |
| 15:11.36 | \amethyst | tetraedr: does options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1 in /etc/modprobe.d/local help? You'll have to unload (modprobe -r) and reload the module while nothing is using sound |
| 15:11.38 | stoned | embed it as flash then like flv |
| 15:11.43 | pete__ | is there any xen users who have 32bit dom0 and its running 64bit domU's ?? |
| 15:12.02 | jogla | Hello |
| 15:12.04 | riot | bolt-work: uh, how can that help? The whole system is encrypted.. where's that /dev/sdb2 stored? |
| 15:12.21 | jogla | I'd like to install a debian system thats fully encrypted (everything but /boot). |
| 15:12.41 | tetraedr | \amethyst, no, same effect after rmmod snd-hda-intel && modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 15:12.49 | jogla | thats no problem with guided partitioning, but if you already have a windows system on the device that you want to keep, it seems impossible |
| 15:12.52 | \amethyst | tetraedr: did that change the IRQ? |
| 15:12.54 | riot | jogla: use the testing-daily installer images. They have an option for that |
| 15:13.02 | quique_ | tetraedr: and there are no options in the bios to change the irqs? |
| 15:13.17 | now | ok streaming it may have been the wrong work , i apologise , its a soundless 2min vid on a web page from a wedding they are phtos run one after another at a slow speed |
| 15:13.18 | \amethyst | tetraedr: it should have, as enable_msi tells it not to use the PCI interrupt pins, but to signal interrupts a different way |
| 15:13.18 | riot | jogla: do it manually, then. i just did. It isn't that complicated. |
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| 15:13.34 | bolt-work | riot: i'm not sure how your setup is, but it should be in /etc/fstab |
| 15:13.44 | tetraedr | \amethyst, yes, it moved! now it is: 1275: 0 104 PCI-MSI-edge HDA Intel |
| 15:13.54 | now | photos |
| 15:13.57 | riot | bolt-work: i mean, how can the booting kernel know about my fstab? It is inside of the dm_crypt :/ |
| 15:14.11 | bolt-work | riot: oh. right. |
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| 15:14.28 | bolt-work | riot: not sure how that works. i'd guess it's in your initrd or somesuch |
| 15:14.32 | riot | bolt-work: it just tries to use /dev/sdb2 as dm_crypt-root - but i can't find that entry anywhere on grub or the whole the boot-partition |
| 15:14.33 | tetraedr | \amethyst, but effect is the same :( |
| 15:14.45 | jogla | riot: i want to be everything in an encrypted lvm, how can that be done manually? |
| 15:14.47 | bolt-work | riot: check the initrd |
| 15:14.52 | \amethyst | tetraedr: hm |
| 15:14.57 | tetraedr | quique_, bios doesn't have any config options for irq of on-board devices |
| 15:15.05 | jogla | by manually you mean *after* the installation of the system? |
| 15:15.11 | tetraedr | \amethyst, for clarity of experiment i |
| 15:15.17 | tetraedr | 'll reboot |
| 15:15.35 | divan | hi guys, can anyone point me to the docs on how to create .udeb. I know that I need special fields in debian/control, but i'm not debconf hacker(yet) and cannot find any docs on it. |
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| 15:16.09 | now | stoned" my english is not the best what should I have said in this question to make it clear what I am trying to do |
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| 15:16.18 | Levan-i | hi, i installed netdiag by "apt-get install netdiag" i am using trafshow, i am on X86_AMD, but i see there is old version of trafshow, how do i upgrade the version of netdiag? |
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| 15:16.29 | riot | jogla: you cannot put windows inside, but for the rest: partition all the stuff as a dm_crypt, then configure that, so it gets written. In the resulting encrypted space, add a LVM(!!) and configure THAT. In there you add enough volumes for your partitions, then write that. Configure every volume to be the correct partition - et voila! |
| 15:16.34 | Levan-i | i want to filter the traffic to UDP protocol only |
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| 15:17.09 | bolt-work | really prefers encfs to actually encrypting the whole partition |
| 15:17.09 | martianlobster | what do I need to apt-get install to get nslookup? |
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| 15:17.24 | abrotman | !tell martianlobster about search |
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| 15:17.27 | abrotman | !tell martianlobster about apt-file |
| 15:17.29 | riot | bolt-work: so, hmm, maybe really boot the box using that usb-adaptor (so the drivenames are correct) - change the designations for the dm_crypt, create a new initrd and that should be it? You think it might work this way? |
| 15:17.59 | XB23 | using apt-get how do i remove something totally |
| 15:18.06 | XB23 | so if i reinstall it then it starts from scratch |
| 15:18.10 | stew | XB23: /msg dpkg purge |
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| 15:18.22 | jogla | riot: So i should create the lvm after the installation, or after writing but withing the installation process? |
| 15:18.24 | martianlobster | abrotman: ok I got it, apt-file |
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| 15:18.27 | martianlobster | ty |
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| 15:18.49 | tetraedr | \amethyst, everything is the same :( |
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| 15:19.02 | riot | jogla: create the lvm directly after creating the dm_crypt. |
| 15:19.03 | tetraedr | \amethyst, but somehow windows works and there are no noises |
| 15:19.13 | riot | jogla: during the installation of course. |
| 15:19.27 | riot | jogla: its part of the partitioning process |
| 15:19.55 | quique_ | tetraedor have you tried pluging it into a different usb port? |
| 15:20.36 | tetraedr | quique_, yes, but still some noise stays |
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| 15:21.19 | jogla | riot: ok |
| 15:21.23 | jogla | thank you |
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| 15:21.57 | riot | jogla: np |
| 15:22.43 | now | stoned: yes thats what to do embed it in my web page but I still need the swfobject see here what the lines on my page might look like http://pastebin.ca/1331626 |
| 15:23.12 | icenine | does anyone else find that flash 10 segfaults even on a fresh install? |
| 15:23.19 | icenine | of the whole distro... |
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| 15:24.53 | riot | uh LOL? i tried booting the system in my notebook, crypt_setup says: source device /dev/sda2 not found.. a few seconds later, the kernel registers /dev/sda2 but the system still hangs. |
| 15:25.09 | riot | "Waiting for root filesystem". DUH |
| 15:25.58 | divan | doesn't anyone familiar with .udebs? |
| 15:26.25 | divan | or is there an another channel for debian-developers? |
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| 15:28.28 | riot | how can i mount/modify an initramdisk? (within the rescue-environment) |
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| 15:36.42 | jelly | riot: try asking in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org, those are the installer (and presumably initramfs) people |
| 15:37.03 | jelly | possibly #debian-kernel, also over there |
| 15:37.28 | riot | mmhmm.. interesting.. first time i really dig into initrams.. interesting |
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| 15:37.42 | riot | jelly: got it, i think. I uncompressed the stuff and looked for the cryptsetup |
| 15:37.53 | riot | just gotta reassemble it again and copy it to its /boot :) |
| 15:38.27 | riot | but like i said, its quite interesting to look around inside initramdisks.. lots of interesting stuff could be done/modified there |
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| 15:57.20 | ma3x | what are popular hardware / network monitoring web daemons? |
| 15:57.29 | OldMonk | nagios? |
| 15:57.40 | ma3x | what else? |
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| 15:57.57 | OldMonk | that's the only one i use :) |
| 15:57.58 | gynterk | nagios |
| 15:58.12 | gynterk | zabbix |
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| 15:59.21 | bsurfer | ma3x: zabbix it's better |
| 15:59.28 | ma3x | why? |
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| 16:02.37 | jaggz | I can't get java applets to work, compiled with sun's java6 javac on my system.. |
| 16:02.44 | jaggz | in firefox. |
| 16:02.52 | jaggz | (iceweasel that is) |
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| 16:03.49 | jaggz | anyone had any luck with this? I read firefox uses gcj, but I can't get a java console working to see anything. java applets do work -- just not mine. come to think of it, even when I unzip this thing from the author it doesn't work either.. not locally. |
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| 16:07.06 | bittin_ | ingen stockholmare som hänger med till SLUG? |
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| 16:07.58 | jaggz | got it to work.. needed the sun-java6-plugin :) yay |
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| 16:09.56 | alcohol | ^([A-Z]+)\ (.+)$ why does this match lines that start with A, AA, etc. but not AAA? |
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| 16:10.03 | alcohol | I thought + meant more than one |
| 16:10.28 | alcohol | or at least one |
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| 16:10.35 | OldMonk | alcohol: it will, and it does |
| 16:10.53 | alcohol | when I run it |
| 16:10.58 | alcohol | "AR" => "archipel", |
| 16:10.58 | alcohol | ARBarbeiderspers |
| 16:11.05 | alcohol | it gets everything with 1 or 2 capitals |
| 16:11.12 | alcohol | but as you can see it doesnt do lines with 3 capitals |
| 16:11.13 | alcohol | :( |
| 16:11.23 | OldMonk | alcohol: what's that "\ " ? |
| 16:11.27 | alcohol | a space |
| 16:11.31 | alcohol | AR archipel |
| 16:11.35 | alcohol | was before transforming |
| 16:11.43 | stew | alcohol: where are you running this regex? |
| 16:11.48 | alcohol | notepad++ |
| 16:11.52 | OldMonk | alcohol: i see tabs in your data |
| 16:11.57 | alcohol | aha |
| 16:11.59 | alcohol | a tab |
| 16:11.59 | alcohol | :< |
| 16:12.36 | OldMonk | alcohol: if this PCRE just use \s |
| 16:13.02 | \amethyst | with most REs you can use [[:space:]] |
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| 16:13.40 | OldMonk | i find it impossible to keep track of all the various flavours going around... pcre and extended and posix and basic and ... |
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| 16:15.07 | themill | And it seems that soon perl won't use pcre... go figure |
| 16:15.18 | OldMonk | oh noes! |
| 16:15.23 | OldMonk | themill: perl6? |
| 16:15.25 | ribasushi | themill: citation needed |
| 16:15.27 | themill | yeah |
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| 16:16.21 | \amethyst | Perl6 will support P(5)CRE, it just won't be the default |
| 16:16.34 | \amethyst | s/will support/supports/ |
| 16:16.38 | themill | ribasushi: http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/design/apo/A05.html |
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| 16:19.34 | ribasushi | sweet |
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| 16:19.50 | themill | ribasushi: Perl6 will not use regular expressions at all (by default). It will use "rules" instead and these are syntactically quite different. See also wikipedia for examples http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl_6_rules . There was also a perl 5->6 guide/blog that discussed this a lot, but I can't find it now. |
| 16:20.46 | themill | But all this relies on perl6 ever actually being released. Until then, it's a bit of a moot point, I guess. |
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| 16:22.14 | ribasushi | themill: what makes you think it will not be released? :) |
| 16:22.25 | jelly | themill: I bet Duke Nukem Forever will be released before that. |
| 16:22.33 | themill | hehe |
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| 16:22.47 | stew | does e17 depend on perl6? |
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| 16:23.27 | \amethyst | you can get Perl 6 right now, it's just not finished |
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| 16:24.29 | themill | I wonder if #perl has a "wwp6r" factoid... and what sort of larting you get for asking that question. |
| 16:24.44 | jelly | ww6r? |
| 16:25.07 | jelly | p6 sounds like a CPU. will it run on i7? |
| 16:25.26 | themill | maybe it's ia64 only and that's what's slowing them down... |
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| 16:25.55 | eggy_ | Hello, I have an Acer Veriton, and I'm trying to get dual screen working, but it's not working out. I have two intel cards, the lspci is listed in this paste: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103272/ . The paste also lists my xorg.conf, and a screenshot of the kde4 display thing. It says I have two screens, both with the right resolution, but if I enable the TDMS screen, the second screen doesn't turn on, but it uses my one screen with an adjusted wrong re |
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| 16:26.16 | jelly | themill: I won't parrot the previous arguments |
| 16:26.25 | themill | boom-tish |
| 16:26.26 | OldMonk | ewww! |
| 16:26.31 | eggy_ | Any expert with xorg, help is appreciated :) |
| 16:26.53 | Balgan | eggy_ just ask ur question |
| 16:26.55 | Balgan | :] |
| 16:27.02 | abrotman | he did |
| 16:27.09 | Balgan | upz my bad |
| 16:27.11 | Balgan | only read up now |
| 16:27.12 | Balgan | :P |
| 16:27.19 | eggy_ | Also, I tried 5 different distros, and none were able to properly detect both my screens. |
| 16:27.21 | abrotman | eggy_: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 16:27.26 | abrotman | maybe |
| 16:27.35 | abrotman | eggy_: is it a real dual card? or one of those slave cards? |
| 16:27.41 | jelly | eggy_: pastebin the output of "xrandr" |
| 16:27.58 | eggy_ | abrotman: I don't know, the only thing I know is the output of lspci |
| 16:28.01 | eggy_ | jelly: ok, sec |
| 16:28.16 | abrotman | it's your machine! |
| 16:28.25 | eggy_ | jelly: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103273/ |
| 16:28.29 | jelly | eggy_: also, those two lspci lines are pretty much irrelevant. Even my old 2005 i915 has two lines in lspci |
| 16:28.50 | eggy_ | jelly: oh, should I pastebin the whole lspci? |
| 16:29.03 | jelly | eggy_: which debian release are you using? |
| 16:29.11 | eggy_ | abrotman: it's an Acer Veriton, a small pre-build computer. I just know it has a blue and white port |
| 16:29.22 | eggy_ | jelly: unstable with packages from experimental |
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| 16:29.27 | abrotman | DVI and dsub15 right ? |
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| 16:30.04 | eggy_ | abrotman: yeah |
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| 16:30.37 | jelly | eggy_: there seems to be a bug in experimental video-intel (or maybe xorg server) that makes the contents of second screen black, even if the screen gets initialized to proper mode |
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| 16:31.08 | jelly | eggy_: xrandr --output TMDS-1 --same-as VGA --auto ? |
| 16:31.11 | eggy_ | jelly: ok, so I should use packages from unstable or lenny instead? |
| 16:31.38 | eggy_ | wow, wait. That command bugged my resolution |
| 16:31.49 | eggy_ | A part of my one working screen is now missing :p |
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| 16:32.29 | jelly | eggy_: for the time being, I worked around it by defining both screens in xorg.conf and had them enabled from the start. The black thing happens only when the second output is enabled afterwards |
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| 16:32.47 | jelly | eggy_: did anything appear on the other display? |
| 16:32.58 | eggy_ | jelly: no, nothing at all |
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| 16:33.13 | eggy_ | It only works on the tty's, tty1 etc |
| 16:33.24 | jelly | eggy_: paste xrandr output again |
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| 16:33.39 | eggy_ | Ok, sorry, my xserver is hanging, let me get it back up |
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| 16:36.12 | jelly | eggy_: read http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 (esp. the part about adding a Virtual ... line in Section Screen, SubSection Display) |
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| 16:36.29 | eggy_ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103274/ |
| 16:36.39 | eggy_ | jelly: ok |
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| 16:37.06 | danielito | can I deny access to a user that logs in via ssh except to one command? |
| 16:37.16 | danielito | I mean deny access to everything :) |
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| 16:37.46 | jelly | eggy_: that command should have enabled the DVI-D output (white one ;-) and made it display a part of the same screen as your VGA-connected output |
| 16:38.45 | jelly | eggy_: I recommend you use DVI output (what xrandr shows as TMDS-1) for the better/larger display |
| 16:38.54 | \amethyst | danielito: is it acceptible to disable to user's password and give them a ssh key? |
| 16:39.10 | danielito | \amethyst: yep |
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| 16:39.39 | eggy_ | jelly: the problem is, the bigger screen only has the blue cable, and the smaller only DVI-D |
| 16:39.39 | \amethyst | danielito: then you can specify the command to run in their ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 16:39.57 | eggy_ | jelly: anyway, I shall read your (and abrotman's links). Thanks a lot in advance |
| 16:40.03 | \amethyst | danielito: man sshd, look for command= |
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| 16:40.10 | danielito | \amethyst: thsx |
| 16:40.15 | jelly | eggy_: a HDTV resolution display with only a VGA connection? Interesting. |
| 16:40.17 | \amethyst | danielito: you probably also want to turn off port forwarding and maybe other things |
| 16:40.22 | tziku | hello i make a simbolic link in /var/www and www-data cand read. I chmod 777...but still can't read. (lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 24 2009-02-09 18:37 logs -> /usr/hlds2/cstrike/logs/). And apache "You don't have permission to access /logs on this server." |
| 16:41.09 | eggy_ | jelly: yeah, I didn't look at that when I bought it, the one with the DVI-D was only 10 euro more |
| 16:41.10 | \amethyst | tziku: www-data needs read and execute permissions on /usr/hlds2/cstrike/logs, and execute permissions on all its ancestor directories |
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| 16:41.31 | tziku | \amethyst and what should i do ? |
| 16:41.52 | stew | tziku: what does "ls -ld /usr/hlds2/cstrike/logs/" return? |
| 16:42.09 | tziku | drwxrwxrwx 2 www-data root 16384 2009-02-09 18:19 /usr/hlds2/cstrike/logs/ |
| 16:42.23 | \amethyst | tziku: chmod +x /usr/hlds2 /usr/hlds2/cstrike to set the execute permissions |
| 16:42.33 | jelly | eggy_: oh well. does the smaller screen work if you unplug the VGA one and restart X with only the DVI-D plugged in? |
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| 16:42.48 | tziku | thanks, now is working |
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| 16:43.48 | \amethyst | tziku: execute permission is needed to "traverse" a directory (to use it in a pathname, including symlink destinations) |
| 16:43.52 | eggy_ | jelly: yep |
| 16:43.54 | Kobaz | so i'm having a network card problem |
| 16:44.09 | Kobaz | the card is detected but not being brought up properly, for some reason |
| 16:44.10 | Kobaz | eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xdf568000, 00:40:ca:9f:bb:1e, IRQ 11 |
| 16:44.10 | Kobaz | # ifconfig eth0 |
| 16:44.10 | Kobaz | eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
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| 16:44.18 | eggy_ | jelly: I even managed one time to get both screens duplicated with 1600x1200 |
| 16:44.18 | tziku | aha. i will remember this for future. Thanks \amethyst |
| 16:44.21 | Kobaz | blah |
| 16:44.25 | eggy_ | jelly: but that's pretty useless |
| 16:44.26 | jelly | eggy_: plug in the other display now, and try xrandr --output VGA --auto |
| 16:44.33 | \amethyst | Kobaz: lenny or etch? |
| 16:44.42 | Kobaz | anyways, dmesg is reporting it comming up as eth0, but eth0 doesn't exist |
| 16:44.49 | Kobaz | etch |
| 16:44.57 | jelly | eggy_: that should get you both screens with 1600x1200 if everything goes well |
| 16:44.57 | \amethyst | Kobaz: does ifconfig -a list it on a different device name? |
| 16:45.06 | \amethyst | Kobaz: eth1 or eth2 or something like that? |
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| 16:45.21 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 16:45.28 | Kobaz | good point |
| 16:45.30 | Kobaz | checking |
| 16:45.55 | Kobaz | eth2 |
| 16:45.56 | eggy_ | jelly: didn't work. Both are plugged in, both work on tty1, and when booting, but in X, only the VGA one (big one) works |
| 16:45.57 | Kobaz | blah |
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| 16:46.09 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 16:46.09 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 16:46.14 | Kobaz | i've been figing with this forever... |
| 16:46.21 | jelly | eggy_: did you restart X in the meantime? |
| 16:46.21 | Kobaz | hah, never knew about ifconfig -a |
| 16:46.36 | \amethyst | Kobaz: does the MAC address change when you reboot? or have you had other ethernet devices in this machine before this one? |
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| 16:46.54 | Kobaz | it's a little embedded thing with an onboard nic, no other network cards |
| 16:47.02 | eggy_ | jelly: I did restart it a few times, yes |
| 16:47.10 | \amethyst | Kobaz: check the z25 file... does it list different mac addresses? |
| 16:47.11 | eggy_ | jelly: does that matter? |
| 16:47.17 | Kobaz | oooo |
| 16:47.21 | Kobaz | i coppied this install from another box |
| 16:47.26 | \amethyst | Kobaz: aha |
| 16:47.27 | Kobaz | yeah it must have the other mac from the other box |
| 16:47.30 | Kobaz | doe |
| 16:47.37 | jelly | eggy_: Yes. What I meant is: start X with only DVI-D plugged in. Not exiting X, plug the VGA one and do "xrandr --output VGA --auto" to enable VGA on the fly |
| 16:47.37 | \amethyst | Kobaz: just rm that file and reboot |
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| 16:47.42 | Scurz | hi |
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| 16:48.05 | eggy_ | jelly: ah, ok |
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| 16:48.09 | eggy_ | jelly: just a sec :) |
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| 16:48.10 | jaggz | why do I have to restart mozilla to get this java applet to refresh with the new version? does the java vm cache it (even though I've cleared the browser cache)? |
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| 16:49.59 | jl_ | question about "famd". Is there a way to start it without portmapper running? |
| 16:50.38 | eggy_ | jelly: yep, that duplicated it |
| 16:50.51 | Scurz | I use an iptables script on a server A, it works, I use the same script (so, the same rules) on another server B and on B, the rules don't work because iptables blocks everything on B (and ssh...), why ? the rules are http://pastebin.com/m1e63e77 |
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| 16:51.22 | eggy_ | jelly: do you think it would be wise to just ditch the whole xorg.conf? To just have no xorg.conf, and just do some xrandr command to get xinerama with two screens? |
| 16:52.40 | danielito | Scurz: well. ssh is surely blocked, you haven't any rule for port 22 |
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| 16:53.07 | eggy_ | jelly: the maximum size I can set the VGA to is 1600x1200 though, and the max resolution is 1920x1080 |
| 16:53.16 | \amethyst | jl_: I don't think so, but you might be able to use gamin rather than fam |
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| 16:55.46 | jl_ | \amethyst: thanks does it require portmapper too? |
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| 16:57.42 | \amethyst | jl_: it does not (but as a result, I believe it doesn't work for files on NFS) |
| 16:58.01 | Scurz | danielito: ssh is on 64 |
| 16:58.03 | \amethyst | jl_: but if you don't run portmapper, you don't have NFS, so... |
| 16:58.23 | Scurz | danielito: even http is blocked |
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| 16:58.30 | Scurz | (on all services...) |
| 16:59.24 | Scurz | (s/on/and) |
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| 16:59.48 | jelly | eggy_: you must have the Virtual line mentioned above to be able to use an effective screen of, say, (1920+1600) x 1200 size |
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| 17:00.31 | saulus | when I do "make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd binary" - does the new kernel gets information only from .config or is there some debian settings stuff, thats automatically gets set? My kernel seems to compile things, I turned off. |
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| 17:01.17 | eggy_ | jelly: ah ok, I'll continue reading the tutorial and hacking my xorg.conf :) |
| 17:01.32 | jl_ | \amethyst: I dont run NSF. courier depends on either fam or gamin ... I don't like to run portmaper so fam fails |
| 17:01.48 | jelly | eggy_: so plug something like "Virtual 3520 1200" in there (or even larger vertical if you plan on pivoting your monitors) |
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| 17:02.16 | \amethyst | jl_: then gamin should be fine |
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| 17:03.31 | niere | Scurz: you are using the script on two different machines, and for the one machine A it's working as intended, and for the other machine B not, even though the intentions are the same for both machines? |
| 17:03.49 | Scurz | niere: yes |
| 17:04.02 | jl_ | \amethyst: still trying to see if I cant get away with neither |
| 17:04.22 | niere | Scurz: then i guess there's other "things" interfering with your netfilter config (on either machine) |
| 17:04.53 | Scurz | niere: yes |
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| 17:05.44 | eggy_ | jelly: the tutorial mentions having only one screen section, should I comment out one, and just add the virtual line? |
| 17:05.49 | niere | Scurz: did you check the output of iptables -L (-v -n) on both machines (after running the script)? |
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| 17:06.59 | ohgs | My ATI ES1000 515E worked fine under etch but I've been unable to get it working under Lenny- dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't help. Is this card known not to work under Lenny? |
| 17:06.59 | Scurz | niere: on the second machine i can't list rules because it's a dedicated server, and I've to reboot it when I start the script |
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| 17:07.26 | eggy_ | jelly: also, it says, comment out ServerLayout. I should comment out the whole section? (I thought xorg.conf needed at least a ServerLayout section) |
| 17:08.09 | niere | Scurz: add an iptables -L -n -v >> ~/iptables.out 2>&1 to the end of your script? |
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| 17:08.43 | Scurz | I'm going to |
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| 17:11.34 | ohgs | Are there no utils I can get to help configure/ debug xorg under lenny other than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 17:12.11 | jelly | eggy_: I'd try a single screen session first, yes. Mine has two, but... |
| 17:12.12 | niere | ohgs: vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 17:12.36 | ohgs | niere: Yeah I've been playing with that, commenting bits out |
| 17:12.59 | jelly | ohgs: to generate a nonempty xorg.conf: X -configure |
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| 17:27.30 | Scurz | niere: http://pastebin.com/m6745604f I see why |
| 17:27.45 | Scurz | because of the source and the destination |
| 17:27.51 | Scurz | isn't it ? |
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| 17:31.06 | niere | Scurz: no, 0.0.0.0/0 means from/to any address |
| 17:31.47 | Scurz | oh okay |
| 17:31.55 | Scurz | so, what's your conclusion ? |
| 17:33.06 | niere | Scurz: tell me again, possibly in detail, what you want to achieve exactly on machine B |
| 17:34.14 | Scurz | niere: I only want to have a firewall, so, I'm setting up iptables rules, I want to allow a few services (ssh on 64, http, imap, pop, smtp, etc.) |
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| 17:35.43 | niere | Scurz: and sshd is listening on port 64? |
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| 17:36.01 | Scurz | yes |
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| 17:40.51 | deconvolution | hello, is there any command tools or libraries that can capture a specific region of X window? I used to use gimp but it is only for one window or the whole region |
| 17:41.03 | PrMoriarty | what is the package containing server-bridge command. |
| 17:41.04 | PrMoriarty | ? |
| 17:41.06 | PrMoriarty | or binary |
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| 17:41.50 | deconvolution | PrMoriarty, use apt-file search |
| 17:41.56 | tarzeau | is there a program that slowly scrolls panorama images from right to left? |
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| 17:42.16 | PrMoriarty | deconvolution, thank you |
| 17:42.25 | Flesje^ | cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points --> Can i see the current temps of the CPU with that command? |
| 17:43.05 | deconvolution | Flesje, why not run it ? |
| 17:43.14 | Scurz | niere: and ? |
| 17:43.14 | Flesje | critical (S5): 76 C |
| 17:43.14 | Flesje | passive: 73 C: tc1=4 tc2=3 tsp=60 devices=0xc24e7338 |
| 17:43.14 | Flesje | active[0]: 73 C: devices=0xdfb836bc |
| 17:43.18 | PrMoriarty | Decepticon, nothing |
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| 17:44.00 | deconvolution | Flesje, so you should cat temperature |
| 17:44.11 | Flesje | if i cat temperature it says 22C |
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| 17:44.16 | niere | Scurz: i'm not sure |
| 17:44.17 | Flesje | for a box in a DC where the temps are 25C |
| 17:44.23 | Flesje | so guess that aint right |
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| 17:44.40 | deconvolution | Box in a DC? |
| 17:44.44 | Flesje | and syslog told me it was to warm |
| 17:44.49 | Flesje | pc in a datacenter |
| 17:45.06 | Flesje | server04 kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
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| 17:47.39 | deconvolution | Flesje, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/cpu-temperature-above-threshold-readings-are-wrong-i-think-372519/ |
| 17:47.46 | deconvolution | you might want to check this :) |
| 17:47.53 | Flesje | ok thanks |
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| 17:48.44 | Scurz | niere: of what ? |
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| 17:49.35 | niere | Scurz: why it's not working for you |
| 17:50.03 | Scurz | okay, and so, why ? :) |
| 17:50.34 | niere | Scurz: i mean the rules should allow for an incoming tcp connection on port 64. why that does not work is beyond me. |
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| 17:51.03 | niere | Scurz: it might be that it's not allowed on the system you're trying to connect from |
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| 17:51.44 | DeFender1031 | is there a way for me to get a list of packages i have installed? (not ALL packages that ARE installed, only the ones i actually installed, rather than things that were installed automatically as dependancies) |
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| 17:52.28 | stew | DeFender1031: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
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| 17:53.02 | bhundven | Flesje: you may also want to check out: http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Documentation as well. |
| 17:53.15 | themill | DeFender1031: also, /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 17:54.22 | SQlvpapir | can any of you access this page? http://image.shuttle.com/ResourceCenter/download_file.jsp?file_id=12181 |
| 17:54.48 | Scurz | niere: ah |
| 17:54.52 | deconvolution | SQlvpapir, connection dropped |
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| 17:56.41 | DeFender1031 | thanks |
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| 17:58.41 | Scurz | niere: because with iptables -L, rules seem ok |
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| 18:00.53 | DeFender1031 | stew, that gave me tons of things that are dependancies |
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| 18:01.42 | stew | DeFender1031: it wouldn't have given you anything that was marked as automatically installed |
| 18:01.43 | niere | Scurz: the rules on what machine? |
| 18:02.08 | DeFender1031 | stew, well i'm telling you i got tons of packages that started with "lib" |
| 18:02.25 | nick_h[litage] | i awoke this morning to my shiny new remote server sitting at 100% cpu load. after rebooting it via the management console, i had a look around to see what might have caused this. |
| 18:02.31 | stew | DeFender1031: ok |
| 18:02.36 | DeFender1031 | and a lot of other things i know for a fact i never installed |
| 18:02.47 | DeFender1031 | but that other things depend on |
| 18:03.03 | themill | DeFender1031: if you installed them using apt-get on etch or earlier, then they would be marked as being manually installed |
| 18:03.08 | stew | DeFender1031: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:03.15 | nick_h[litage] | unfortunately, i have no idea why this happened. there aren't large numbers of iptables messages, and the web server wasn't touched |
| 18:03.15 | DeFender1031 | damn |
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| 18:03.27 | DeFender1031 | stew, lenny upgraded from etch |
| 18:03.38 | DeFender1031 | themill, any way around that? |
| 18:03.46 | nick_h[litage] | but for some reason, at 7:45am, the box jumped to 100% load: https://stats.linode.com/generate_graph.sh?linode=linode17056&username=nickh&graph=cpu&span=daily |
| 18:03.51 | stew | DeFender1031: anything that was installed with etch's apt-get would be marked as manually installed |
| 18:03.55 | themill | DeFender1031: there are reasons why aptitude has been the recommended frontend to apt for a while now. You could look at deborphan and debfoster. |
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| 18:04.27 | stew | DeFender1031: you can mark things as automatically installed with apt-mark or aptitude markauto |
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| 18:10.15 | tmccrary2 | Newb question, how do you copy a symlink as the target file instead of the link? |
| 18:10.34 | tmccrary2 | like if I have ALink -> ../ActualFile |
| 18:10.51 | tmccrary2 | and I copy ALink with cp ALink ~/mynewalink |
| 18:11.06 | tmccrary2 | what flag can I use to copy the file itself in place of the symlink? |
| 18:11.27 | tmccrary2 | so that mynewalink is a file containing ActualFile's contents |
| 18:11.38 | nicholas__ | tmccrary2, cp -H |
| 18:12.16 | tmccrary2 | nicholas__: ah thanks, I saw that in the man page but it has a rather terse description :) |
| 18:12.22 | salman | greetings |
| 18:12.30 | nicholas__ | tmccrary2, :) |
| 18:13.02 | salman | anybody using ftp.at.debian.org in sources? I am unable to connect to them today |
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| 18:15.13 | hark | tmccrary2: info coreutils cp will be more helpful |
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| 18:18.57 | salman | I am not very sure it is the site issue. could someone please look at my apt-get update errors and help : http://rafb.net/p/WsOikf59.html |
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| 18:19.40 | abrotman | salman: you have a proxy you're trying to pass everything through .. which apparently is failing |
| 18:20.02 | abrotman | and your sources.list are broken anyways |
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| 18:20.50 | Duk_work | I think if you put the poop-ding into RAMUS, the clavicle will exceed Port 19. |
| 18:21.22 | hark | looks like anon-proxy |
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| 18:22.04 | PlanarPlatypus | Anyone know why aptitude might be ignoring my apt-preferences file? followed http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html but with unstable at -10 and aptitude is still listing all the unstable packages as upgrades. Google doesn't imply this is a known bug... |
| 18:22.14 | salman | abrotman: I am connecting in an internet cafe. 6 hours ago I connected from the same cafe with no problem. |
| 18:22.37 | salman | abrotman: where to start checking? |
| 18:22.38 | abrotman | salman: `host ftp.de.debian.org` .. returns what ? |
| 18:22.47 | abrotman | and your sources are still not good |
| 18:22.59 | stew | PlanarPlatypus: show us the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" for one such package? |
| 18:23.03 | stew | PlanarPlatypus: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:23.13 | salman | abrotman: ftp.de.debian.org has address 141.76.2.4 |
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| 18:24.51 | abrotman | salman: you very likely have a proxy setup somehow .. |
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| 18:25.03 | abrotman | or apt thinks you have one |
| 18:25.37 | hark | salman: try unset http_proxy and then aptitude update |
| 18:26.58 | PlanarPlatypus | stew: http://paste.debian.net/28024/ |
| 18:27.10 | salman | hark: working.. thanks... probably in my last update:upgrade session this morning a proxy slipped in . I will check the boot up services :-) |
| 18:27.41 | stew | PlanarPlatypus: it doesn't appear to be pinned yet, as it is still showing up as 500 instead of -10, but you should be asking in #ubuntu for help for ubuntu, not here, sorry |
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| 18:27.45 | hark | salman: it's probably anon-proxy |
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| 18:29.15 | PlanarPlatypus | stew, tried, they seemed disinterested. Thanks for the pointer anyhow |
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| 18:29.48 | IamSOG | you guys should take a look at this bike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABVYdVY_r0s This is nice, but seems a bit loud :o and this thing only have 2 gears |
| 18:30.04 | stew | IamSOG: does this have something to do with debian support? |
| 18:30.05 | hark | PlanarPlatypus: also because there is no unstable afaik in ubuntu and you're trying to pin that |
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| 18:30.33 | IamSOG | no stew it's just a ... very nice bike :D |
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| 18:30.52 | stew | IamSOG: wrong channel then. try #defocus or #debian-offtopic for social chat |
| 18:31.14 | IamSOG | Thanks... didn't know there's one #debian-offtopic :P |
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| 18:33.30 | PlanarPlatypus | stew: fwiw just got it fixed, had the wrong syntax in the preferences file. Thanks again for the pointer |
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| 18:35.15 | parodyoflanguage | Does anyone know which debian package the bash info manual is in? |
| 18:35.34 | hark | there isn't one |
| 18:36.04 | parodyoflanguage | Bash lacks an info manual or there's no debian package? |
| 18:36.14 | tarzeau | uses zsh |
| 18:36.17 | nicholas__ | bash-doc ? |
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| 18:36.32 | parodyoflanguage | nicholas__, I installed bash-doc, no manual. |
| 18:36.37 | tarzeau | zsh has www.zsh.org which is helpful, unlike www.bash.org |
| 18:36.47 | salman | does the debian lenny first iso contain apache, mysql and php? |
| 18:36.49 | parodyoflanguage | hahah |
| 18:36.56 | nicholas__ | parodyoflanguage, here in my machine, 'info bash' returns the manual |
| 18:37.14 | parodyoflanguage | nicholas__, well, I get the man page. |
| 18:37.33 | nicholas__ | oh yeah, that's true, my mistake |
| 18:38.23 | parodyoflanguage | I'll just download it from http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/ |
| 18:38.28 | nicholas__ | parodyoflanguage, http://info2html.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/info2html-demo/info2html?(bash.info.gz)Top |
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| 18:38.53 | parodyoflanguage | Just suprised there isn't a debian package. |
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| 18:39.13 | hark | parodyoflanguage: http://bugs.debian.org/427804 |
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| 18:48.44 | pflanze | Hello. I'm trying to get iwlwifi working; does anyone know what to do after installing the firmware-iwlwifi package? There is 0 docs about it. |
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| 18:50.33 | Scurz | niere: on the machine B |
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| 18:51.54 | salman | http://packages.debian.org/testing/ lists all packages in testing.. is there a list of packages available in the 1st and 2nd isos? I want to download the iso for an offline installation |
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| 18:54.01 | nick_h[litage] | salman: why do you need a list of packages to download the first ISO? |
| 18:54.25 | riot | uh, why does the debian testing-netinst-installer not offer grub? |
| 18:54.39 | Neaai | hi. How would i tell mount "mount a filesystem on /dev/sdb which begins at block X and ends at block Y" without rewriting a partition table? |
| 18:54.46 | riot | it did as usb-stick, but not on this cd i burnt |
| 18:55.02 | niere | Scurz: i don't know why it's not working as intended. anyway, you can review all OUTPUT rules, since they are either obsolete, or you want to add a DROP policy. |
| 18:55.02 | avtobiff | riot, did you use lvm and put /boot on the lvm? |
| 18:55.22 | salman | I want to download one single file 'iso' to install in an offline test pc.. I want to use it as LAMP test server, so I want the iso to include those packages |
| 18:55.23 | riot | avtobiff: oooh! Thanks alot for reminding me!!! i almost forgot boot... whoa.. that would've crashed upon me... |
| 18:55.29 | avtobiff | riot, :) |
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| 18:56.02 | avtobiff | riot, you see, the installer is "smart". if you don't have /boot outside lvm you cannot install grub, because grub cannot handle that |
| 18:56.09 | avtobiff | it may soon though i have seen |
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| 18:56.27 | DustyDingo | can i set the command apt-get will use to fetch files over http? |
| 18:56.41 | abrotman | DustyDingo: as opposed to? |
| 18:56.42 | riot | ooohmy.. it is SO smart... i had the base system installed into the crypto-lvm.. just added a mountpoint for boot afterwards and what does it do.. .format everything again |
| 18:56.43 | DustyDingo | i want to limit the rate for wget |
| 18:56.51 | abrotman | DustyDingo: apt-cache show trickle |
| 18:56.55 | avtobiff | riot, yeah. :( |
| 18:56.57 | riot | the installer maybe smart, partman is dumber than a brick |
| 18:56.59 | stew | DustyDingo: no, it doesn't use wget, but an internal http client |
| 18:57.04 | frostschutz | Neaai: I think you can create loop devices that operate on offsets of other devices which you can then mount |
| 18:57.08 | DustyDingo | abrotman: no |
| 18:57.41 | abrotman | DustyDingo: yes |
| 18:57.41 | hark | salman: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 18:57.41 | frostschutz | Neaai: losetup, --offset option |
| 18:58.13 | DustyDingo | somehow i could remeber, that this can be changed to use wget |
| 18:58.18 | DustyDingo | but maybe i mix it up with portage |
| 18:58.25 | frostschutz | riot: I set up the crypto lvm manually and used debootstrap to install into it. :) |
| 18:58.28 | Neaai | frostschutz: Well, the manpage of mount doesn't have much to say about offsets, and losetup(8) is not very friendly either. Is there any place where I can find something more to focus upon ? |
| 18:58.32 | hark | riot: you should select not to format the partition in the partitioning screen |
| 18:58.58 | riot | frostschutz: after all that annoyances, i should've done the same... |
| 18:59.35 | riot | hark: hmm, might've solved that.. partman could've noticed itself.. but partman.. well... |
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| 19:00.18 | p0g0 | Neaai: You could use dd to copy the block range to a file, then mount that, assuming it is a valid filesystem in the range you dd'd. |
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| 19:00.53 | Neaai | p0g0: I'll see what I can achive with this idea. Thanks for the hint. |
| 19:01.13 | frostschutz | Neaai: losetup with offset should be straightforward actually |
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| 19:01.21 | saulus | does make-kpkg change my settings? I think I get modules compiled, I personally disabled |
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| 19:01.40 | frostschutz | Neaai: I had a tutorial that described how to mount partitions in a dd disk image that used offsets, I'll try to find it again |
| 19:01.49 | dondelelcaro | saulus: it doesn't change them |
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| 19:02.36 | Neaai | frostschutz: I'm doing some searching as well. Thank you in the meanwhile. |
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| 19:03.00 | frostschutz | Neaai: http://www.docunext.com/blog/2007/07/08/losetup-working-with-raw-disk-images/ |
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| 19:03.25 | blsecres | can someone tell me if they have the font -dejavu-dejavu sans mono-medium-r-normal--17-120-100-100-c-0-iso10646-1 on their system? |
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| 19:03.44 | Neaai | frostschutz: I'll give it a read. Thank you. |
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| 19:05.28 | frostschutz | blsecres: I only have 120-75 ;) |
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| 19:05.59 | khaleel5000 | hello, i have installed compiz fusion on debian (lenny ) with ati X1650 pro agp, using fglrx, all is well, except when I play video, the video starts shuttering in all players (kaffeine, vlc, xine, )BUT not in mplayer.........how do i resolve this issue in other players? |
| 19:06.10 | blsecres | hatter243: OK, I've somehow lost that font and can't figure out what package provided it |
| 19:06.16 | Scurz | niere: ok |
| 19:06.21 | blsecres | frostschutz: OK, I've somehow lost that font and can't figure out what package provided it |
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| 19:07.03 | frostschutz | blsecres: dunno. seems I never had that font and I have about every font package installed. :) |
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| 19:08.40 | Aquaraptor | is there a webpage type thing that I could put on a server to monitor the output of lm-sensors, much like phpsysinfo does? |
| 19:08.44 | CoolCold | helllo |
| 19:08.54 | Aquaraptor | hello |
| 19:08.57 | CoolCold | is there any way to set timer/alarm in bash/sh? |
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| 19:09.22 | blsecres | CoolCold: something like at? |
| 19:09.25 | dkr | CoolCold: sleep 300;echo 5 minutes have gone by |
| 19:09.38 | CoolCold | for example i do read bla - and wanna read be terminated after, say 5 seconds |
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| 19:09.51 | sackhacker | hello |
| 19:10.27 | dkr | CoolCold: TMOUT If set to a value greater than zero, TMOUT is treated as the default timeout for the read builtin |
| 19:10.33 | dkr | CoolCold: man bash :) |
| 19:10.42 | sackhacker | i have installed 2.6.26-1-xen-686 and now i like to get nvidia working. Any idea or experience? |
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| 19:11.34 | CoolCold | i'm writing simple inetd script |
| 19:11.53 | sackhacker | for nvidia? |
| 19:12.22 | sackhacker | What can i do to get nvidia working? |
| 19:12.29 | naitram | using tar to archive /etc dir, so can put back custom settings when create new machine. non of the links in my rc2.d etc... appear. Is there a switch for this? |
| 19:12.42 | xxiao | i have rarely seens this: aptitude update then "E: Method http has died unexpectedly!" |
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| 19:13.26 | xxiao | this is on lenny, just did a bootstrap, booted to it, then upgrade exits as shown above |
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| 19:13.49 | xxiao | 0dd |
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| 19:15.08 | CoolCold | dkr: 10x :) |
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| 19:16.47 | WormBe | Is debian sid more stable than Archlinux? |
| 19:17.13 | Scurz | niere: http://pastebin.com/m6a3a3299 I tried these rules, even problem.. |
| 19:17.37 | pobega | WormBe: I think that's a question of opinion, and it depends on what packages you use. Sid can only be comparable to other Debian releases, in my opinion. |
| 19:19.24 | WormBe | pobega: well, you could count how many times the core packages break on one distro and another |
| 19:19.34 | simonrvn | what do you mean stable? it's relatively sane? it doesn't crash? what? i find OS stability - not crashing - is dependent on a) the kernel b) the hardware. if those are working well, then the software on top has a better chance of being stable too. so it's a rather vague question. |
| 19:19.50 | naitram | how to preserve symlinks when using tar. IE... /etc/rc2.d/20myserver_d doesn't get saved in tar file. How to correct |
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| 19:20.36 | pobega | WormBe: It's like asking what melts quicker, ice cream or spumoni; It all depends on a lot of variables. |
| 19:21.16 | pobega | WormBe: Sid can have a horrible week (I remember a while back X broke for a lot of users), as can Arch - again, it's all variable. |
| 19:21.21 | WormBe | simonrvn: usually by stable, I mean not having many 'critical' bugs being passed to the packages |
| 19:21.38 | WormBe | and not having everything broken |
| 19:22.06 | WormBe | pobega: yeah sure it is variable, but there is also the frequency of these events |
| 19:23.02 | simonrvn | WormBe: no such thing dude. |
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| 19:26.05 | simonrvn | WormBe: i think the issue is more whether or not those bugs actually get fixed or not. for that, you look longer term. |
| 19:26.46 | simonrvn | it's normal to have bugs, we're not perfect animals, but them getting fixed is more to the point, i think. |
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| 19:27.27 | stew | WormBe: if you are worried about the number of bugs, sid is probably not for you. also note that you are not likely to get a good answer to any question like "what is ____, debian or ___" in this channel, you might try ##linux |
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| 19:28.45 | naitram | anyone tell me how to backup / restore /etc directory including rc2.d ... to preserve symlinks so I dont have to run update-rc.d after clean install |
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| 19:29.26 | WormBe | ok i see |
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| 19:41.53 | xxiao | did a new debian, why each time login as root was asked to renew password, where to turn this annoying reminder off? |
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| 19:42.34 | dondelelcaro | xxiao: because the password time had expired; man chage |
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| 19:46.44 | xxiao | dondelelcaro: that helps, i used 'date' to change 1970 to 2009, guess that caused the expiration. thanks |
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| 19:53.54 | Scurz | niere: the problem is almost fixed, my rules work if I don't put "iptables -t filter -P INPUT DROP"... |
| 19:54.03 | Scurz | and with OUTPUT |
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| 19:54.13 | rogg | greetings all |
| 19:54.28 | Titosemi | general question to Gnome users... have your nautilus tab browsing view? |
| 19:54.29 | rogg | Anyone here know what 802.11-DS is? I'm having a hell of a time finding any info on it. |
| 19:54.51 | rogg | my laptop's wireless card is showing that, instead of 802.11 like it should, and I think that's why I can't get onto the network.. |
| 19:54.56 | Scurz | niere: but the firewall is not useful if I don't drop everything, first... |
| 19:54.59 | adama_ | Titosemi: no |
| 19:55.18 | p0g0 | rogg: sounds like a #wireless question |
| 19:55.28 | rogg | ooh hey neat. |
| 19:55.31 | p0g0 | rogg: what make of card? |
| 19:55.36 | rogg | p0g0: Thanks. didn't know there was such a place. |
| 19:55.44 | rogg | p0g0: Cisco Aironet.. uses the airo driver |
| 19:55.45 | Titosemi | adama_, thanks |
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| 19:55.47 | Titosemi | :( |
| 19:56.06 | eggy_ | I just can't get dual screen working. This is the output of xrandr, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103314/ , this is Xorg.0.log, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103312/ , and this is my xorg.conf, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103310/ . I have tried 5 different distro's, none were able to get my screens working. They do work individually, just not at the same time. Is it possible that I start multiple X servers at the same time, one for each screen? I don't ca |
| 19:56.13 | abrotman | rogg: sounds like a model name |
| 19:56.38 | p0g0 | rogg: also, see #openwrt for general wireless wisdom. If you had an atheros chipset, I'd have suggested #madwifi also |
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| 19:57.14 | eggy_ | Did my whole message get through or did I get cut off? |
| 19:57.30 | p0g0 | eggy_: it got cut o |
| 19:57.34 | stew | eggy_: ended with "I don't ca" |
| 19:57.48 | eggy_ | p0g0: stew ok |
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| 19:58.33 | eggy_ | It said: 'I don't care about dragging windows anymore, I just want to get two screens to display something. I've already gone through http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, and it's just not working. How can I start multiple X servers?' |
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| 20:00.38 | dondelelcaro | eggy_: and xrandr --output VGA --left-of TMDS-1; doesn't work? |
| 20:01.04 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: nope :( |
| 20:01.29 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: the screen just remains black |
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| 20:02.09 | eggy_ | And xorg knows about the screen, it just isn't able to make them work together. The best you can get it both screens at 1600x1200 |
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| 20:02.30 | eggy_ | Here a screenshot of the kde configure dialog: ftp://eggy.student.utwente.nl/screens.jpg |
| 20:02.33 | Titosemi | does anyone knows why nmap -sP 10.0.0.1/24 doesnt show all the computer that are online on this subnet but the reply a normal ping? |
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| 20:03.28 | eggy_ | If you enable it, the best you can get it a cloned screen with a crappy resolution |
| 20:04.07 | eggy_ | You know, sometimes I just hate linux. In xp, you just click 3 times, it works. I've spent half my weekend, and a few evenings on this crap, and it's just not going to work |
| 20:04.23 | mrts | update-alternatives drives me crazy... I want to add a custom option to the list for java, supposedly --install would do this, but the --help and man instructions are confusing and there is no concrete example |
| 20:04.24 | eggy_ | I think xorg just sucks. Or the intel drivers, whatever |
| 20:05.33 | mrts | suppose my `java` is in /opt/java/jdk1.6.0_12/bin/java, how should I properly add it to the alternatives list? |
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| 20:06.26 | stew | eggy_: have you tried something like "xrandr --output VGA --left-of TMDS-1" ? |
| 20:06.45 | riot | uh, where is iceape-browser gone to? |
| 20:06.49 | eggy_ | stew: yeah, dondelelcaro just pasted that. It does nothing |
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| 20:07.14 | khaleel5000 | hello, i have debian (lenny) using fglrx or radeon (for my x1650 pro agp) whenever I run any movie, it doesnt run the full screen,even if i sleect fulll screen or press f, the screen becomes full, but the whole movie is shown on only small area (though no scene is cut) its just like kinda zoomed out, how do i solve this |
| 20:07.32 | stew | that's what works here |
| 20:07.36 | stew | (fwiw) |
| 20:08.00 | valdyn | khaleel5000: which movie player are you using? |
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| 20:08.56 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: i am referring to Mplayer, |
| 20:09.10 | valdyn | khaleel5000: try "mplayer -vo xv movie" |
| 20:09.30 | eggy_ | stew: with intel drivers? |
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| 20:09.36 | stew | eggy_: yes |
| 20:09.59 | eggy_ | stew: weird. What's your xorg.conf? |
| 20:10.00 | dondelelcaro | eggy_: you also should be using the default xorg.conf; you shouldn't need any customization of it |
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| 20:10.11 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: i already use xv but ok will try |
| 20:10.13 | mrts | sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /opt/java/jdk1.6.0_12/bin/java 1 --> mv: cannot stat `java': No such file or directory | wtf? |
| 20:10.30 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: I went with that. Believe me, I don't like writing xorg.conf. But it didn't work |
| 20:10.49 | stew | eggy_: http://rafb.net/p/3E81d826.html |
| 20:11.04 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: I don't know, maybe it's because it's two cards, instead of one. No distro was able to detect them correctly, I think it might just not be possible |
| 20:11.22 | dondelelcaro | eggy_: what you're showing is the output from one card, not two. |
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| 20:11.58 | dondelelcaro | (there's no second card there at all) |
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| 20:12.34 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: same issue |
| 20:12.37 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: in the Xorg.0.log? |
| 20:12.43 | Hadaka | anyone have any recent ipsec troubles on debian unstable? my racoon can no longer connect, since a couple days ago |
| 20:12.49 | Hadaka | (I update almost daily) |
| 20:13.13 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: oh. I don't know. lspci says 0:2:0 and 0:2:1 (I thought that meant two cards, but I don't really know how to parse that stuff) |
| 20:13.16 | mrts | (doh, by the way, `sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /opt/java/jdk1.6.0_12/bin/java 1` is the right way to do it, the confusing "cannot stat..." came from borked earlier experiments, I had to `sudo update-alternatives --remove-all java` to get it working) |
| 20:13.22 | click170 | Hey why does 'tail -f' stops reading the file after around a day? |
| 20:13.23 | valdyn | khaleel5000: looks like fglrx xv is broken? |
| 20:13.36 | valdyn | khaleel5000: -vo gl or gl2 should also scale to the whole screen by default |
| 20:13.40 | abrotman | click170: which file? |
| 20:13.45 | mrts | click170: is it a logfile? |
| 20:13.49 | stew | click170: i'd buess becuase you are looking at a file that is being rotated by logrotate |
| 20:13.50 | mrts | if so, it's rotated |
| 20:13.50 | click170 | logs, syslog, auth.log, etc |
| 20:13.52 | valdyn | khaleel5000: did you change your mplayer configuration at all? |
| 20:13.53 | dondelelcaro | eggy_: you could very well have two cards, but everything that I'm seeing shows up as a single card |
| 20:13.59 | abrotman | click170: they're being rotated .. |
| 20:14.01 | click170 | Ah. Ok, that explains it. |
| 20:14.10 | abrotman | right out from under you! |
| 20:14.10 | negge | I have some shares mounted using Samba with the CIFS filesystem, although the scandinavian characters in all filenames appear as questionmarks in Nautilus. Any way to fix this? |
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| 20:14.21 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: ah I see |
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| 20:14.46 | dondelelcaro | eggy_: if you have two cards, you'll see things like Intel(1) |
| 20:14.56 | dondelelcaro | (well, two cards working, anyway) |
| 20:15.28 | valdyn | negge: man mount, see iocharset and codepage and install the dejavu fonts |
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| 20:16.02 | valdyn | negge: im not actually sure if your default bitstream stuff has scandinavian characters, it might, if it does not then dejavu will add those |
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| 20:17.21 | negge | valdyn: scandinavian characters look just fine on all folders except the Samba shares |
| 20:18.35 | negge | I've seen that iocharset thing used sometimes, I'm gonna give it a try |
| 20:18.35 | valdyn | negge: then its just man mount for you |
| 20:18.35 | rogg | hrmm |
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| 20:19.01 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: any ideas about my mplayer issue? -vo xv got same issue |
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| 20:19.02 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: stew: ok, it's just not working, but I'm ok with that. how can I start two X servers, one desktop/screen? |
| 20:19.02 | rogg | what file do I have to edit to blacklist modules? I put them in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, but it didn't do anything. I assume there's another? |
| 20:19.02 | valdyn | khaleel5000: /lastlog |
| 20:19.02 | deadcat | abrotman: damn. a-rod juiced. |
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| 20:19.10 | dondelelcaro | eggy_: you don't; you start a single X server with two displays. |
| 20:19.13 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: how /werhe is it ? |
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| 20:19.41 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: yeah, but that option isn't working. |
| 20:19.47 | valdyn | khaleel5000: you missed alot of stuff i said, thats in "/lastlog valdyn" |
| 20:19.57 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: you're saying, it's not possible to run multiple X servers? |
| 20:20.36 | valdyn | khaleel5000: you probably dont have xv, check mplayer output |
| 20:21.31 | jelly-home | eggy_: you're still messing with that dualhead setup? |
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| 20:21.44 | eggy_ | jelly-home: yes :(, it's Just Not Working |
| 20:21.56 | eggy_ | jelly-home: half teh weekend and 2 evenings |
| 20:22.06 | dondelelcaro | eggy_: no, I'm just saying that it's not how you do it |
| 20:22.17 | jelly-home | eggy_: can we have your current xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 20:22.28 | valdyn | khaleel5000: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/197639 |
| 20:22.31 | eggy_ | jelly-home: yes, let me find it, just a second |
| 20:22.36 | dondelelcaro | eggy_: you configure the X server to detect both cards by having driver sections for them, and then screens for each of the cards |
| 20:22.55 | jelly-home | eggy_: last I heard was you got dualhead working and just needed to set a large enough Virtual |
| 20:23.01 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: i use xv for kaffeine too, i have it |
| 20:23.12 | khaleel5000 | else i think it wouldnt have playeed at all |
| 20:23.24 | eggy_ | jelly-home: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103314/ , http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103312/ , http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103310/ |
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| 20:23.34 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: eggy_ had a single card with two outputs, 2-3 hours ago; anything changed? :-) |
| 20:24.04 | valdyn | khaleel5000: think is useless, read the output |
| 20:24.15 | valdyn | khaleel5000: and that bug report |
| 20:24.29 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: I had 2 driver sections, 2 monitor, 2 screens. But in that howto I read I must have one screen section. I basically tried all permutations I could think of |
| 20:24.57 | jelly-home | eggy_: 2 driver sections is wrong. 2 monitor and screens might not be needed |
| 20:25.05 | eggy_ | jelly-home: well, I had a cloned screen with a messed up resolution. That's as far as I got |
| 20:25.06 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: yeah i didnt read your message about bug report before typing the bug report, i just read it , its pretty self explainatory. Thanks |
| 20:25.14 | keith4 | I can't seem to see any external disks attached to an LSI HBA using etch. 'lshw' shows them (as UNCLAIMED), but "fdisk -l" doesn't |
| 20:25.39 | stew | eggy_: what version of debian is this? |
| 20:25.41 | negge | valdyn: thanks for the hint, adding iocharset=utf8 to the fstab line seemed to solve the problem just fine:) |
| 20:25.42 | jelly-home | eggy_: is this 103312 your actual current xrandr output? |
| 20:25.53 | valdyn | negge: yes and no |
| 20:26.11 | valdyn | negge: should have given you a warning, mounting like that |
| 20:26.27 | dondelelcaro | eggy_: you have one screen section if you're using xinerama; if you're not, you don't. |
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| 20:26.41 | valdyn | negge: or maybe that warning and its meaning arent valid for cifs, and just for vfat |
| 20:26.42 | eggy_ | jelly-home: yep |
| 20:26.45 | eggy_ | dondelelcaro: oh I see |
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| 20:26.54 | eggy_ | stew: unstable, with packages from experimetnal |
| 20:27.05 | keith4 | ah jeez |
| 20:27.12 | stew | eggy_: then you should try with 0 driver sections 0 monitor sections 0 screens |
| 20:27.19 | jelly-home | eggy_: great. Now, just for fun, try enabling VGA: xrandr --output VGA --auto |
| 20:27.31 | stew | eggy_: like, try with a fresh xorg.conf from "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 20:27.44 | stew | eggy_: which should be nearly empty, like mine |
| 20:28.17 | negge | valdyn: I got no warnings at all |
| 20:28.27 | negge | it seems to work fine |
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| 20:28.32 | bolt | what's the hex color code for the default "gray" color specified by this line in .Xresources? "Rxvt*foreground: gray" |
| 20:28.32 | eggy_ | jelly-home: sorry, the xrandr was wrong, this is the current setup: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103325/ |
| 20:28.50 | eggy_ | stew: I did that, and then I only get the VGA screen |
| 20:28.58 | eggy_ | stew: the other is just black |
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| 20:29.33 | jelly-home | eggy_: that was for the wrong xrandr setup. with 103325, I see you don't have Virtual set up large enough. |
| 20:29.38 | sjokkis | hi. how do you guys suggest implementing the function keys on laptops? i'm not using gnome or kde, so while those offer solutions, they wouldn't work for me |
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| 20:29.46 | eggy_ | stew: if you want I could try again, but I already did it quite a few times :p. Well, one did dpkg-reconfigure once or twice |
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| 20:29.51 | stew | eggy_: then try "xrandr --output TDMS-1 --auto --left-of VGA" |
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| 20:30.13 | jelly-home | stew: his max Virtual cannot accomodate --left-of |
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| 20:30.33 | bazyl | hi everybody ;) |
| 20:30.37 | zleap1 | hi |
| 20:30.59 | eggy_ | jelly-home: ok, I will restart X, I renamed my xorg.conf because it the virtual section was making everything darned slow |
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| 20:31.11 | eggy_ | jelly-home: I think even if it will work, everything will be slow |
| 20:31.26 | bazyl | my DVD works fine under windows, under lenny/sid drops I/O errors, any clue? |
| 20:31.50 | jelly-home | eggy_: that's right, but you can't have your screens left <-> right to each other if you don't make it that large |
| 20:31.57 | valdyn | bazyl: what kind of errors? |
| 20:32.33 | eggy_ | jelly-home: right, so I have contradictory requirements I guess. Isn't it possible to run multiple X servers? Might that run smoothly? |
| 20:32.37 | jelly-home | eggy_: you could arrange xrandr to think of them set up below/above each other |
| 20:32.38 | bazyl | the same CD or DVD reads under windows, under linux drops I/O error |
| 20:32.41 | negge | valdyn: I have another slight problem with my Samba shares, maybe you can help me. Every time I shut down my computer I get a message saying "CIFS VFS: Server not responding" which prevents my computer from shutting down. Do you know anything about this? |
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| 20:32.57 | valdyn | bazyl: im asking because the drive actually having trouble to read the medium on one os and not on the other makes no sense at all |
| 20:32.57 | jelly-home | eggy_: nope, cant have two X servers on one hw at the same time |
| 20:33.22 | bazyl | valdyn: yes, it's srange |
| 20:33.26 | bazyl | but its true |
| 20:33.38 | valdyn | bazyl: so show us the actual error messages |
| 20:33.54 | eggy_ | jelly-home: oh I see. Ok, so I need to set virtual to 1920 x (1200 + 1080) in my xorg.conf? |
| 20:34.00 | jelly-home | eggy_: right |
| 20:34.12 | bazyl | valdyn: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 17 |
| 20:34.14 | bazyl | for example |
| 20:34.20 | eggy_ | jelly-home: with one screen section, 2 monitor, 2 device? |
| 20:34.21 | bazyl | and so on |
| 20:34.33 | valdyn | bazyl: when doing what kind of access? |
| 20:34.35 | forces | lenny will be ready for this february 14th? |
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| 20:34.42 | enouf | bazyl: that's a buffer underrun error .. or so |
| 20:34.43 | valdyn | bazyl: on what type of medium and what content |
| 20:34.52 | bazyl | the funny thing is that k3b writes CD or DVD correctly |
| 20:35.06 | valdyn | bazyl: no surprise there, dvd do that |
| 20:35.08 | stoned | enouf, ping |
| 20:35.09 | bazyl | but it cant read the same CD or dVd |
| 20:35.22 | jelly-home | eggy_: 1 device for your hardware. |
| 20:35.29 | enouf | stoned: in a bit, ok? i'll rejoin frosted then |
| 20:35.38 | stoned | tyt |
| 20:35.54 | eggy_ | jelly-home: ok. So what should I say for BusID? it uses both 0:2:0 and 0:2:1 |
| 20:36.01 | valdyn | bazyl: so what is it? an svcd? |
| 20:36.01 | jelly-home | eggy_: remove it. |
| 20:36.08 | valdyn | bazyl: an iso filesystem? |
| 20:36.14 | eggy_ | jelly-home: ah I see |
| 20:36.31 | jelly-home | eggy_: ignore the 0:2:1 device, X knows what to do. |
| 20:36.39 | eggy_ | jelly-home: and should I leave Option "Monitor-VGA" "Monitor0" and Option "Monitor-TMDS-1" "Monitor1" ? |
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| 20:36.51 | bazyl | valdyn: HL-DT-STDVD-RAM GSA-H58N, 1.03, max UDMA/66 |
| 20:37.10 | valdyn | bazyl: i guess the drive itself is the only thing i didnt ask about |
| 20:37.15 | jelly-home | eggy_: those I _think_ shouldn't matter if you're using xrandr. |
| 20:37.30 | bazyl | for example i can mount the cd, but i can't read the files |
| 20:37.42 | valdyn | bazyl: whats the disk controller? |
| 20:37.46 | bazyl | it just cant read |
| 20:37.47 | eggy_ | jelly-home: ok. I'll try restarting X |
| 20:37.58 | enouf | bazyl: answer the specific questions please |
| 20:38.19 | bazyl | i dont know what you mean |
| 20:38.29 | enouf | all that info should've been given in your 1st initial post |
| 20:38.52 | bazyl | ok, i am beginner |
| 20:38.54 | valdyn | does ubuntu use the new libata drivers or the same as debian? |
| 20:38.59 | bazyl | i am to week ;) |
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| 20:39.19 | valdyn | bazyl: i'd want you to try the 2nd set of drivers that exists |
| 20:39.22 | eggy_ | jelly-home: ain't doing nothing. It only messes up the resolution of the one working VGA screen. Let me pastebin my xorg.conf again |
| 20:39.32 | jelly-home | eggy_: messes up? |
| 20:39.45 | bazyl | valdyn: how can i swap the drivers ? |
| 20:39.46 | valdyn | bazyl: but i dont actually know which livecd uses those newer drivers, maybe ubuntu does |
| 20:39.58 | valdyn | bazyl: you would have to build a new kernel |
| 20:39.58 | enouf | bazyl: see if stopping hal helps - just a guess (file:///usr/share/doc/hal/examples/no-cd-media-check.fdi) .. is it constantly seeking/spinning when media is inserted? |
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| 20:40.15 | valdyn | bazyl: now right now i still dont know which driver this is, since you cant hell me |
| 20:40.22 | valdyn | bazyl: ..which controller its connected to |
| 20:40.35 | eggy_ | jelly-home: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103326/ |
| 20:40.36 | bazyl | ok, what is controller ? |
| 20:40.40 | valdyn | bazyl: so i cant be certain taht theres another |
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| 20:40.46 | bazyl | where i can check it? |
| 20:40.50 | eggy_ | jelly-home: yeah, like, I think it uses 1600x1200 |
| 20:40.57 | valdyn | bazyl: lspci | grep -i ata |
| 20:41.10 | valdyn | bazyl: and lspci | grep -i ide |
| 20:41.12 | eggy_ | Although it says Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1200, maximum 1920 x 2280 |
| 20:41.21 | eggy_ | Oh, yeah, that's wrong |
| 20:41.29 | jelly-home | eggy_: that doesn't sound half bad. |
| 20:41.38 | bazyl | valdyn: 00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 10) |
| 20:41.47 | eggy_ | jelly-home: shall I pastebin the whole xrandr? |
| 20:41.55 | jelly-home | eggy_: yes, full xrandr please and don't restart anything |
| 20:41.56 | valdyn | bazyl: lsmod | grep via |
| 20:42.02 | valdyn | bazyl: better if you use a paste site |
| 20:42.27 | bazyl | valdyn: upss, too much lines ;) |
| 20:42.28 | eggy_ | jelly-home: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103327/ |
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| 20:42.51 | bazyl | valdyn: libata 159600 3 pata_via,pata_acpi,ata_generic |
| 20:44.05 | valdyn | bazyl: uname -r |
| 20:44.11 | zleap1 | ouch |
| 20:44.13 | bazyl | valdyn: 2.6.24-23-generic |
| 20:44.13 | zleap1 | another netsplit |
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| 20:44.23 | valdyn | bazyl: youre not running debian |
| 20:44.24 | enouf | ugh |
| 20:44.24 | jelly-home | eggy_: hm. Is the DVI monitor working? |
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| 20:44.28 | bazyl | valdyn: kubuntu (/etc/debian_version: lenny/sid) |
| 20:44.28 | valdyn | bazyl: debian does not use these drivers, because they are still experimental for all i know |
| 20:44.28 | eggy_ | jelly-home: in the kde screen configure dialog, both screens are set exactly right, just over each other, like in the screenshot on ftp://eggy.student.utwente.nl/screens.jpg , only then enabled |
| 20:44.28 | |syzygy| | Hi, I am running Debian Lenny amd64...Gnash is not working so hot...trying to get flash to install but for package ia32-lib-gtk, I get this message: |
| 20:44.28 | |syzygy| | E: /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs-gtk_2.7_amd64.deb: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) |
| 20:44.28 | eggy_ | jelly-home: no, it's black |
| 20:44.40 | valdyn | bazyl: see how it goes if you use an actual debian kernel |
| 20:44.45 | eggy_ | jelly-home: and when I say 'identify outputs', it shows both VGA and TDMS-1 on my one VGA screen |
| 20:44.59 | valdyn | bazyl: but kubuntu is not debian, and i cannot help you with unknown kernels on an unknown system |
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| 20:45.11 | eggy_ | jelly-home: I think the intel drivers are just incapable :( |
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| 20:45.31 | valdyn | |syzygy|: disk full or broken |
| 20:45.33 | stew | eggy_: trust me, they are capable |
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| 20:45.35 | jelly-home | eggy_: ignore that identify for now, it just displays names in the middle of what it thinks are the display viewports |
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| 20:45.37 | bazyl | valdyn: i appreciate your help ;) |
| 20:45.41 | bazyl | valdyn: thanks |
| 20:45.52 | eggy_ | jelly-home: ah ok |
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| 20:45.57 | valdyn | bazyl: and fye, those drivers defenitely were labeled experimental in 2.6.24 |
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| 20:46.02 | jelly-home | eggy_: restart X with VGA unplugged, please |
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| 20:46.10 | valdyn | bazyl: *fyi* |
| 20:46.12 | eggy_ | jelly-home: okidoki |
| 20:46.17 | bazyl | valdyn: so what you suggest ? |
| 20:46.22 | bazyl | downgrade kernel ? |
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| 20:46.47 | valdyn | bazyl: i *cant* help |
| 20:46.56 | valdyn | bazyl: as using a debian kernel might hose your system |
| 20:47.10 | jelly-home | eggy_: does your VGA monitor tell you when there's no input, or when the input is invalid? |
| 20:47.23 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting the following when I try to re-enable polling on /dev/dvdrw: |
| 20:47.29 | EmleyMoor | Following symlink from /dev/dvdrw to /dev/hdi. |
| 20:47.29 | valdyn | bazyl: /j #kubuntu, ask there |
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| 20:47.37 | EmleyMoor | Cannot find storage device /dev/dvdrw. |
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| 20:47.45 | bazyl | valdyn: i have asked, no answer |
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| 20:47.59 | eggy_ | jelly-home: no, it only moans now that the cable is unplugged |
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| 20:48.05 | bazyl | valdyn: maybe ill try again ;) |
| 20:48.20 | jelly-home | eggy_: I meant in general, and that sounds like "yes" |
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| 20:48.38 | |syzygy| | valdyn: you mean /var/cache directory is full or broken? |
| 20:48.41 | eggy_ | jelly-home: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103330/ is the new xrandr |
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| 20:49.07 | eggy_ | jelly-home: it doesn't complain when the cable is plugged in, it just shows a black screen if the non-vga screen is working |
| 20:49.14 | jelly-home | eggy_: is there a proper 1600x1200 on the DVI monitor now? |
| 20:49.21 | eggy_ | jelly-home: yep |
| 20:49.35 | valdyn | |syzygy|: yea |
| 20:49.54 | jelly-home | eggy_: plug it back in without restarting X. power it off and on; does it complain of no input? |
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| 20:51.01 | eggy_ | jelly-home: "no signal", and then a black screen |
| 20:51.12 | jelly-home | eggy_: that's good. |
| 20:51.22 | eggy_ | It is? :p |
| 20:52.06 | jelly-home | eggy_: this means you'll be able to tell the difference between "black screen because of no input" and "black screen becuase Xorg really gives out a black screen" |
| 20:52.26 | eggy_ | jelly-home: ah |
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| 20:52.38 | eggy_ | jelly-home: ok, so what do we do? |
| 20:52.50 | jelly-home | eggy_: xrandr --output VGA --auto |
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| 20:53.09 | jelly-home | eggy_: it should probably show a duplicate 1600x1200 on VGA as well |
| 20:53.32 | eggy_ | jelly-home: ok, my DVI screen has a messed up resolution, and the VGA screen has a messed up resolution |
| 20:53.39 | jelly-home | hah |
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| 20:53.49 | jelly-home | eggy_: are you able to read anything? |
| 20:53.54 | eggy_ | Shall I pastebin xrandr? |
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| 20:54.18 | eggy_ | Yeah, it's a small part of the screen. Only missing ~100-200 pixels |
| 20:54.30 | jelly-home | eggy_: describe the mess up; try to make the monitors display which resolution they think they're getting |
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| 20:54.52 | jelly-home | eggy_: ie. power cycle VGA, see if it tells you some resolution info |
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| 20:57.07 | jelly-home | eggy_: also pastebin the xrandr, sure; does anything change with the DVI display if you do a xrandr --output VGA --below TMDS-1 ? |
| 20:57.08 | eggy_ | I think both are 1920x1200 |
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| 20:57.42 | eggy_ | jelly-home: yeah, that changed something. I have now a correct resolution for the DVI |
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| 20:57.55 | eggy_ | Seriously! |
| 20:57.58 | eggy_ | I think it's working! |
| 20:58.20 | jelly-home | eggy_: hrm. and VGA is black, or? |
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| 20:58.51 | eggy_ | jelly-home: it's pretty damn slow, but the DVI is correct, and the VGA is extended below the DVI |
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| 20:59.25 | sackhacker | Hi |
| 20:59.36 | eggy_ | jelly-home: there's still a non-reachable bar though, it does show a wallpaper |
| 21:00.06 | jelly-home | eggy_: what did the xrandr output show before "xrandr --output VGA --below TMDS-1", and what does it show now? |
| 21:00.10 | sackhacker | Does anyone of you have a nvidia graphic card and uses it with xen? |
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| 21:00.53 | eggy_ | jelly-home: it showed nothing, and now it shows http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103336/ |
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| 21:01.19 | eggy_ | jelly-home: and it's working, I can play full-screen movies on it. But when I play, they are horribly slow |
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| 21:01.45 | jelly-home | eggy_: um... xrandr command showed no output at all? |
| 21:02.03 | eggy_ | xrandr --output VGA --below TMDS-1 didn't, now |
| 21:02.05 | eggy_ | no* |
| 21:02.17 | eggy_ | jelly-home: should it? |
| 21:02.26 | jelly-home | I mean "xrandr" by itself, before doing the --below cmd |
| 21:02.36 | eggy_ | Ah. |
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| 21:03.10 | eggy_ | jelly-home: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103337/ |
| 21:03.22 | eggy_ | jelly-home: it seems like it fully works now, only it's darned slow :p |
| 21:04.35 | eggy_ | jelly-home: anyway, thanks a whole, whole lot. And thanks stew, dondelelcaro and abrotman too. I really appreciate it. |
| 21:04.36 | jelly-home | eggy_: which output driver are you using for video? |
| 21:04.53 | eggy_ | jelly-home: I don't know, I said 'intel' in xorg.conf |
| 21:05.03 | jelly-home | eggy_: what are you playing the video with? |
| 21:05.15 | eggy_ | jelly-home: I think the one that comes with xorg. kaffeine |
| 21:05.21 | jelly-home | ew. |
| 21:05.30 | eggy_ | Heh. But everything is slow, even the terminal |
| 21:05.44 | jelly-home | alright, pastebin "xvinfo" output |
| 21:06.34 | eggy_ | It just says: X-Video Extension version 2.2, screen #0, no adaptors present |
| 21:06.54 | jelly-home | I _guess_ video-intel might go into fully unaccelerated mode if your screen gets >2048. This is a bit weird, since it should only disable 3D |
| 21:07.13 | jelly-home | eggy_: that means no video accel |
| 21:07.20 | eggy_ | jelly-home: :( |
| 21:07.27 | eggy_ | No way to force it into anything? |
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| 21:07.33 | jelly-home | eggy_: and if you disable TMDS-1 output? |
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| 21:07.47 | jelly-home | eggy_: xrandr --output TMDS-1 --off |
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| 21:08.08 | jelly-home | eggy_: what happens with xvinfo output then, does it change? |
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| 21:08.32 | eggy_ | jelly-home: it says the exact same thing |
| 21:08.40 | jelly-home | ok, that sucks |
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| 21:09.34 | eggy_ | So basically, after very hard work, I have to choose between sluggish dual-screen, vs normal single screen? |
| 21:09.45 | jelly-home | eggy_: sounds like you'll have to use VGA only if you want to play video for the timew being, or possibly use a really low resolution on DVI so the total doesn't exceed 2048x2048 |
| 21:10.08 | jim__ | I'm trying to boot off a USB stick, following the instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en, but I'm not sure where to find the right version of boot.img.gz |
| 21:10.18 | eggy_ | jelly-home: I see. |
| 21:10.28 | jelly-home | eggy_: or ask #xorg (or amybe #debian-x or irc.debian.org) to help you getting accelerated mode with that card and both displays |
| 21:10.34 | jim__ | There isn't one on the netinst ISO I downloaded; do I need the full ISO? |
| 21:10.34 | eggy_ | jelly-home: do you think this might improve any time soon? |
| 21:11.43 | eggy_ | jelly-home: ok. Thanks very, very much for your help and time :) |
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| 21:11.51 | jelly-home | eggy_: I honestly have no idea. I thought the limit was raised to 4096x4096 with i965 chipset (your G33 thingy) |
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| 21:13.23 | jelly-home | eggy_: what I do know is that using a 2.6.28.x kernel brings in some acceleration improvement with intel driver |
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| 21:13.42 | jelly-home | eggy_: no idea if it'll magically fix everything for you |
| 21:13.56 | eggy_ | jelly-home: oh! cool. I'll start by giving that a go :) |
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| 21:15.55 | bolt | how can I make my mouse acceleration smooth, instead of jumping from high speed to low speed? running xfce4, if that has any relevance |
| 21:16.38 | abrotman | ween it off soda |
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| 21:17.13 | d-b | abrotman: ahahaahah |
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| 21:18.37 | eggy_ | Hmm, seems like there isn't a 2.6.28 package yet |
| 21:18.48 | abrotman | not officially, no |
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| 21:24.45 | Rayne | whois tomaw |
| 21:24.47 | Rayne | argl |
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| 21:25.13 | dkr | bolt: man xset |
| 21:25.39 | Rayne | tomaw, you send me a message? |
| 21:25.44 | Rayne | had |
| 21:25.45 | dkr | bolt: soemthing like xset m a b where a is accel threshold and b is multiplier, set the threshold really small to avoid the jump to muliplied speed |
| 21:26.21 | dkr | Rayne: he sent a global notice about a problem with freenode. ignore it |
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| 21:31.07 | karikari | Does anyone know the current maximum size on number of extends in LVM per LV, reading the internet indicates it was ~65500 but I get no "MAX LV Size" and have a LV with over 700000 extends ? |
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| 21:32.09 | karikari | Or put differently, do you know the maximum LV size dependent on the extend size (currently 4MB)? |
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| 21:33.42 | keith4 | something analogous to tw_cli or mpt-status? |
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| 21:37.15 | n0nsense | hi |
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| 21:38.08 | datacrusher | do i have an alternative to open .rar files on debian? |
| 21:38.20 | sjokkis | hi. how do you guys suggest implementing the function keys on laptops? i'm not using gnome or kde, so while those offer solutions, they wouldn't work for me |
| 21:38.29 | d-b | datacrusher: unrar or unrar-nonfree |
| 21:38.33 | datacrusher | iv searched synaptic for rar and winrar, but couldnt open. Iv downloaded a huge file, splited in .rar volumes |
| 21:38.36 | datacrusher | unrar, thanks |
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| 21:39.22 | n0nsense | sjokkis: acpi is responsible for this stuff, I think |
| 21:41.44 | sjokkis | really? |
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| 21:45.00 | jzhou | id TrasGirl is spamming here. pls ban. |
| 21:45.41 | datacrusher | hi people, im trying to use some of this linux-router-distros, but none of them serves me in what i want, so i wanna make the firewall with debian. I need to install 3 eth cards, 2 for adsl links, and one for the inner network. on the linux-routers, its plenty easy to share the internet, make a load balance and so on... is there a good tutorial for a debian -firewall-router? |
| 21:45.52 | CellKill | !op TrasGirL- Spamming in PM, multiple people |
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| 21:46.20 | stew | tomaw: ^ |
| 21:46.37 | jzhou | stew: great job |
| 21:46.46 | stew | CellKill: thanks for the notice :) |
| 21:46.57 | bolt | gah. the xset mouse acceleration feels completely horrible. there must be a patch somewhere to emulate how windows handles the mouse |
| 21:46.58 | tomaw | stew: fixed |
| 21:47.02 | jelly-home | datacrusher: probably not... install debian and peruse lartc.org? |
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| 21:47.13 | faffi | bolt: whats the problem exactly? |
| 21:47.16 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 21:47.17 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 21:47.24 | stew | CellKill: (you wanted !ops not !op btw) |
| 21:47.48 | nick_h[litage] | is the "news" user used for anything these days? |
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| 21:48.16 | jzhou | datacrusher: there is some distros specifically designed for such purpose, like freenas |
| 21:48.29 | bolt | faffi: the mouse is too slow when i move the mouse slowly, and too fast when i move it quickly. the transition between the two is also far from smooth. the only thing that works somewhat is lowering the acceleration to around 2 and setting the threshold to 1, but then the mouse is too slow altogether, although this improves aiming |
| 21:48.47 | faffi | bolt: what about xset m 2 2 |
| 21:48.59 | n0nsense | [22:37] < n0nsense> can anyone tell me something about jabberd2 in lenny? |
| 21:48.59 | faffi | i had the same issue, are you using a touchpad or is this on a desktop |
| 21:49.00 | bhundven | sjokkis: you may want to look at hotkey-setup |
| 21:49.11 | n0nsense | i don't know if it was just overseen or so |
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| 21:49.29 | CellKill | stew, ty, close though :P I was guessing |
| 21:49.58 | bhundven | sjokkis: and hotkeys |
| 21:50.10 | sjokkis | thanks bhundven |
| 21:50.19 | bolt | faffi: an acceleration of 2 feels quite okay, but i'm used to a lot higher. i barely move my hand when i use a mouse. when in windows at work, i use the highest speed available. still, the smooth transition from fast to slow movement in windows makes that setting completely useable. in xorg, the transition seems to become all to clear when I increase the acceleration |
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| 21:50.58 | bhundven | sjokkis: it also depends on the laptop, if you search for hotkey you will see packages like toshutils and tpd for toshiba and thinkpad keyboards |
| 21:51.07 | faffi | bolt: indeed it will if you like the sensitivity really high, im pretty sure you can use fractional values for the settings |
| 21:51.54 | faffi | bolt: you can express the values in fraction, try using an acceleration of 5/2 |
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| 21:52.32 | bolt | faffi: what I want is an acceleration of about 5. but when I set that, precise aiming is horrible |
| 21:52.37 | faffi | haha |
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| 21:52.45 | faffi | im sure it is, thats REALLY hih |
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| 21:53.57 | bolt | i just don't see why it has to be that bad. in the obvoius comparison to windows again, it feels perfectly okay there. moving the mouse very slowly will still produce very slow movements. in xorg, it moves a couple of pixels if i just blow on it |
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| 21:54.24 | coz_ | hey guys had any one of you worked with and or know shane form shame repo? |
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| 21:54.56 | Caelum | anyone using pidgin with jabber? |
| 21:55.04 | Caelum | I don't see it as an option in protocols |
| 21:55.19 | faffi | bolt: try setting the speed lower? |
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| 21:55.31 | faffi | xset m 3/4 5/2 |
| 21:56.21 | bolt | faffi: then i'll have to move my hand a lot more. with the settings you gave me now, the size of the mousepad roughly equals the screen |
| 21:56.40 | datacrusher | [jzhou]: ill take a look |
| 21:56.58 | datacrusher | my trouble with this embedded firewalls, is that i need one that gots an pppt client |
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| 21:57.22 | abrotman | Caelum: xmpp |
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| 21:57.30 | datacrusher | to share the entire pptp vpn to my network, most of them i have to apply kernel patches, pptp patches.. and didnt worked at all, too much loss of time |
| 21:57.33 | faffi | bolt: you could use a different mouse driver i assume |
| 21:57.51 | bolt | faffi: maybe it isn't using the full resolution of the mouse? any idea where to set that? |
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| 21:57.57 | Caelum | abrotman: ahh, thank you very much |
| 21:58.00 | bolt | faffi: it's an intellimouse explorer 3 |
| 21:58.09 | faffi | bolt: what do you mean by full resolution of the mouse |
| 21:58.22 | bolt | faffi: dpi |
| 21:58.24 | faffi | ahh |
| 21:58.57 | faffi | bolt: did you try setting an abnormally high speed with little acceleration |
| 21:59.44 | bolt | faffi: is there a speed setting? i've only discovered acceleration and threshold |
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| 22:00.38 | faffi | bolt: check pm |
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| 22:01.37 | coz_ | anyone who was friends with or worked with Shane Lee from devian repository of shame please pm me thanks |
| 22:01.48 | coz_ | debian repository or shame |
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| 22:02.33 | bolt | faffi: xset 5 1 feels okay when doing fast movements, but it doesn't slow down at all (naturally) when moving the mouse slowly. makes it hard to select small text and such |
| 22:03.05 | faffi | bolt: you can also set the Resolution option under your mouse section of xorg.conf |
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| 22:04.32 | faffi | bolt: Option "Resolution" "integer" Sets the resolution of the device in counts per inch. Setting this is only supported for some mice, including some PS/2 mice on some platforms. Default: whatever the mouse is already set to. |
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| 22:10.27 | XB23 | how can i start programs under different users on system boot |
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| 22:11.20 | RusBoy | guys how i switch between xfce to fluxbox on vnc on debian ? |
| 22:11.30 | avtolfm | XB23, start-stop-daemon maybe |
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| 22:13.07 | abrotman | XB23: how are you starting them now? |
| 22:14.36 | XB23 | manually by logging in and booting them |
| 22:14.56 | XB23 | i just want them to auto start , maybe crontab but i dont know how to set them on system boot |
| 22:15.10 | XB23 | so if my box reboots my things auto start |
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| 22:15.42 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 22:15.43 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
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| 22:15.50 | souldier | is this safe http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 ? |
| 22:16.11 | XB23 | nice one thanks |
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| 22:16.55 | abrotman | souldier: i've seen worse |
| 22:17.14 | abrotman | souldier: deborphan and debfoster can also help |
| 22:17.16 | souldier | abrotman: so could i do that without having problems? |
| 22:17.21 | souldier | hmm |
| 22:17.26 | zzattack | hi, it appears apaches mod_auth_mysql isnt working for apache 2.2, but it is in the debian repositories |
| 22:17.36 | helo | if i want to see the passwords that a brute-force ssh attacker is trying to use, what can i do? |
| 22:17.37 | souldier | i just want to clean up my system without fucking up something |
| 22:17.43 | abrotman | souldier: read thenotes below the article |
| 22:17.51 | zzattack | also, the replacement mod_authn_db is not in the debian repositories. why's that? |
| 22:17.55 | abrotman | helo: a tcp dumper |
| 22:18.11 | souldier | abrotman: the comments? |
| 22:18.14 | shabble | abrotman: they'd be encrypted, surely? |
| 22:18.25 | avtolfm | that was my intention as well |
| 22:18.34 | avtolfm | encrypted at the client side then sent to sshd |
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| 22:19.57 | helo | right... |
| 22:20.25 | helo | a patched SSH server, no doubt |
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| 22:21.05 | shabble | helo: yeah, probably. Run the real one on some other port |
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| 22:21.22 | helo | now that is a good idea... |
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| 22:22.16 | shabble | most of my public facing boxes run it on a random port. Cuts the brute forcing attacks down quite heavily |
| 22:22.27 | coz_ | I dont want this to be seen as a negative but again, if anyone who worked with, or knew shane lee from the debian repository of shame please PM me |
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| 22:22.32 | LEO_ | Hi everyone |
| 22:22.34 | shabble | and you can specify a non-standard port in the .ssh/config file on your clients, so you don't have to use -p every time. |
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| 22:22.39 | LEO_ | Is there no irc.debian.org any more? |
| 22:22.54 | stew | LEO_: there is, "irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.geo.oftc.net." |
| 22:23.25 | LEO_ | stew, I need to download and install Debian (switching from Windows) which file do I choose at : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 22:23.53 | stew | LEO_: if you can get your machine on the internet with a standard debian kernel, we'd recommend getting a 'netinst' image |
| 22:24.12 | LEO_ | stew, how come? |
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| 22:24.43 | LEO_ | I need a basic Debian install with Gnome |
| 22:24.53 | avtolfm | LEO_, you can get that with netinst. |
| 22:25.06 | stew | LEO_: becuase its a smallish image (~150mb) which contains only the packages you will definately be installing. it will install a base system that can fetch whatever else you might want to install on top of the base install from the internet |
| 22:25.22 | avtolfm | LEO_, thing is you download only 150 MB and the rest as necessary with netinst, instead of a fullblown 650 MB iso |
| 22:25.36 | stew | LEO_: if you install download a full cd (CD1), then you'll definately be downloading packages which you aren't going to need |
| 22:25.54 | LEO_ | stew, will it walk me through the process? I am new and dont know what commands to run |
| 22:26.16 | faffi | bolt: any luck? |
| 22:26.27 | LEO_ | avtolfm, stew, thanks guys, I'll go get started with netinstall |
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| 22:27.26 | bolt | faffi: not really. setting resolution and samplerate in xorg.conf didn't seem to do anything. tried both the "mouse" driver it was set to and "ExplorerPS/2" (though the mouse is USB) |
| 22:27.38 | faffi | if the e1000e ethernet driver thats being included in all the debian installs isnt working for newer hardware (i.e. the updated driver works), where would you submit something like that |
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| 22:28.14 | LEO_ | I just have one question. Is Debian better with drivers than Ubuntu? I had some problems with video card and webcam with Ubuntu, (was just giving it a try) |
| 22:28.24 | avtolfm | faffi, bugs.debian.org, use reportbug if possible |
| 22:28.39 | faffi | avtolfm: ok |
| 22:28.50 | avtolfm | faffi, the package reportbug that is |
| 22:29.04 | stew | LEO_: "/msg dpkg ig" for the install guide |
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| 22:29.27 | ice799 | I am using Debian Etch amd64, and I'd like to install some fonts for Pango to use. Anyone know which apt package I'd need to install? |
| 22:29.42 | ice799 | Right now, some apps which use pango are dying because I have no fonts installed |
| 22:29.46 | stew | LEO_: you will find that debian includes fewer drivers than ubuntu, becuase debian is more concerned with free software |
| 22:29.52 | ice799 | but I can't seem to find the fonts packages anywhere. |
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| 22:30.30 | joeyy | what tcl package do you need to complie a eggdrop ? |
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| 22:31.51 | stew | joeyy: "apt-get build-dep eggdrop" would get you everything you need to build eggdrop. but why would you compile it instead of just "aptitude install eggdrop"? |
| 22:32.16 | bolt | faffi: this looks like someone having the same issue https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/x-windows-mouse-pointer-acceleration-sucks-212538/ ..apparently, Resolution and SampleRate does nothing on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 22:33.38 | abrotman | stew: my imagination or you've been asking that a lot lately? |
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| 22:36.30 | zzattack | hi, it appears apaches mod_auth_mysql isnt working for apache 2.2, but it is in the debian repositories. also, the replacement mod_authn_db is not in the debian repositories. why's that? |
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| 22:37.11 | stew | abrotman: not your imagination |
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| 22:38.49 | abrotman | zzattack: which version of debian ? |
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| 22:43.43 | zzattack | abrotman: lenny |
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| 22:46.40 | Tchaka | could someone help me to install the ATI fglrx driver? I downloaded the latest ATI Linux installer from the Ati website |
| 22:46.48 | keith4 | bad! |
| 22:46.52 | keith4 | whips Tchaka |
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| 22:47.17 | Tchaka | and then I tried sh ati-driver-installer-* –buildpkg Debian/testing |
| 22:47.38 | Tchaka | but I am getting this error dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 512 |
| 22:47.51 | keith4 | why don't you use the packaged stuff in non-free? |
| 22:47.59 | keith4 | or use module-assistant? |
| 22:48.04 | abrotman | zzattack: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;dist=testing;package=libapache2-mod-auth-mysql .. a lot of resolved/archived ones .. maybe one is related ? |
| 22:48.12 | zzattack | ill have a read |
| 22:48.23 | batman_ramirez | i use the debian remote desktop viewer , but instead of show me the remote desktop shows me a remote terminal.. how can i see the remote desktop? |
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| 22:49.07 | Tchaka | keith4, actually I followed this howto http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-ati-fglrx-driver-in-debian.html |
| 22:49.34 | keith4 | Tchaka: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fglrx |
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| 22:50.58 | Tchaka | keith4, aptitude install fglrx-driver is enough? |
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| 22:54.39 | themill | dpkg: tell Tchaka about fglrx one-liner |
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| 22:55.08 | bolt | this is so darn stupid. when I do xset m 1 1 the mouse moves sooo smoothly, a subpixel at a time. if i increase the value to something like xset m 5 1, the mouse will not move less than 5 pixels at a time. it's like the darn thing is losing sensitivity just because i want it to move faster when i push it faster |
| 22:56.09 | stew | kill the rodent |
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| 22:56.42 | bolt | with xset m 1 1, if i barely touch the mouse, i can see it moving a wee bit on the screen. with xset m 5 1, nothing happens unless i move it quite far, and then the mouse jumps a couple of pixels. doesn't make sense to me |
| 22:56.50 | bolt | why isn't everyone bothered by this darn thing? |
| 22:57.18 | themill | I've never felt the need to change the settings... wfm ootb. |
| 22:57.48 | bolt | so that's why, then. everyone just accepts the default mouse speed. brilliant |
| 22:58.03 | deadcat | is it a problem to mix pc2100 and pc2700 dimms together? |
| 22:58.11 | deadcat | ddr |
| 22:58.16 | themill | bolt: are you setting threshold value too? |
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| 22:59.32 | bolt | themill: i've given up the entire threshold thingy. just using 1 (xset 5 1 as i said). the threshold is even more horribly implemented than the rest of the acceleration. no matter what I set it to, i can really feel the "jump" from low to high speed. it's about as smooth as rolling down a stairway |
| 22:59.48 | dondelelcaro | bolt: yes, because it's a threshold |
| 22:59.54 | bolt | dondelelcaro: exactly |
| 22:59.57 | dondelelcaro | bolt: if you want it to be continuous, set the threshold to 0 |
| 23:00.06 | themill | (not 1) |
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| 23:01.00 | bolt | dondelelcaro: tried that too. it still feels weird. when i get the normal movement speed about right, the slow speed will hardly move at all, and flicking the mouse sends it across 3 screens |
| 23:01.19 | dondelelcaro | well, that's about where it should be |
| 23:01.41 | themill | that's the acceleration value being too large then, not the threshold value |
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| 23:01.49 | karsten | What is it and where does it keep -- NIC assignments (eth0, eth1, eth2, etc.)? |
| 23:02.18 | themill | Tchaka: please keep it in the channel so that everyone can help you. |
| 23:02.31 | dondelelcaro | karsten: udev, generally, and /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 23:03.30 | bolt | i haven't looked at the algorithm for the 0 threshold, but setting a low acceleration and 0 threshold makes the mouse not move at all if i move it slowly enough. i can move it 5 times across the entire mousepad and it doesn't move a pixel on the screen. something gets rounded off to 0 where it shouldn't |
| 23:03.43 | streuner | shakes his head (karsen dont know about udev) |
| 23:04.02 | themill | karsten: or for etch (not lenny, it's /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules). In either case, /msg dpkg z25 and if in doubt, !blame udev :) |
| 23:04.05 | streuner | karsten* |
| 23:04.16 | dondelelcaro | bolt: yes, because it's a continuous function |
| 23:04.41 | Tchaka | themill, ok hum with the command you gave me, Iam supposed to have everything I need to have the 3d ready? |
| 23:05.10 | themill | Tchaka: yes, that should be sufficient to get 3d acceleration working |
| 23:06.06 | Tchaka | themill, because if I tried that: fgl_glxgears |
| 23:06.19 | bolt | dondelelcaro: it doesn't make sense to me at all to implement something that will eventually round off mouse movement to 0. it should track sub-pixel values and always increment the value by the lowest delta it can accurately measure as long as the mouse has indeed registered movement |
| 23:06.34 | Tchaka | themill, I amgetting X Error of failed request: GLXBadDrawable |
| 23:07.09 | themill | Tchaka: did you reconfigure X and then restart it? |
| 23:07.29 | Tchaka | themill, http://pastebin.com/m17d387bd |
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| 23:09.49 | bolt | dondelelcaro: if only there was a way to at least tweak whatever curve the function produces instead of just setting the maximum value. that would allow to set how fast the mouse should move when it's moved at a comfortable speed, and then it could calculate how much slower or faster it should go based on difference from that movement speed |
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| 23:14.53 | bolt | is tempted to set up a windows box just to control the debian machine through synergy, to get proper mouse movement |
| 23:15.53 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; it's not like it's difficult to modify the function that produces mouse movement |
| 23:15.56 | karsten | dondelelcaro: That's it, thanks. |
| 23:16.07 | karsten | streuner: I've known about it several times. |
| 23:16.24 | karsten | themill: I will blame udev ;-) |
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| 23:16.52 | stew | !widbu |
| 23:16.52 | dpkg | When in doubt, blame udev! |
| 23:17.17 | bolt | dondelelcaro: I might actually go do that. Any idea which source package I should get to find it? |
| 23:17.45 | themill | bolt: do you not think it's a little strange that the rest of the world doesn't feel the need to do the same? |
| 23:17.45 | Tchaka | themill, I reconfigured & restart x |
| 23:18.25 | Tchaka | themill, but still no 3d |
| 23:18.30 | bolt | themill: very. i have no idea how you survive though. i'm used to a mouse on windows, and ratpoison wm on linux. now, however, i need to work with some gui applications and the mouse is horrible |
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| 23:19.12 | themill | bolt: that wasn't actually what I meant. |
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| 23:19.33 | themill | Tchaka: can you please pastebin the output of "dpkg -l '*fglrx*' | grep ^.i" |
| 23:19.42 | bolt | themill: what did you mean? |
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| 23:20.35 | Tchaka | themill, http://pastebin.com/m7588031b |
| 23:20.44 | themill | bolt: it's almost certainly a local configuration issue. Believe it or not, some of us do use the mouse too and even use it with a gui. We're not just a bunch of people who look after servers at the end of an ssh session. |
| 23:21.31 | Ace2016_- | Anyone know what package gpref is a part of? (comping OO)configure: error: gperf not found but needed. Install it. |
| 23:21.38 | Ace2016_- | configure: error: gperf not found but needed. Install it. |
| 23:21.59 | Ace2016_- | oops! |
| 23:22.08 | Ace2016_- | i searched for gpref instead of gperf |
| 23:22.33 | bolt | themill: what could be the issue, then? the threshold thingy is a horrible idea, with the jump it's creating from slow to fast movement, so i assume most of you get the continous function thingy to work for you somehow? |
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| 23:22.57 | themill | Tchaka: that looks fine. the output of "lsmod | grep ^fglrx" ? |
| 23:23.17 | Tchaka | fglrx 2231064 0 |
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| 23:24.16 | themill | Tchaka: so far so good.... So can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log for us now? |
| 23:24.30 | Tchaka | themill, ok |
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| 23:25.49 | Tchaka | themill,xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/mf2e0827 |
| 23:27.11 | themill | bolt: I have an acceleration of 2/1 and threshold of 4 and have no issues working across 3 screens with either a mouse or trackpad. The movement is fast enough when I want it to be and fine enough for work in graphics drawing programs. |
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| 23:28.21 | bolt | themill: and the jump from low to high speed doesn't annoy you the slightest? there has to be a reason stuff like "moused" exists. not for linux, though :( http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=706 |
| 23:28.44 | Tchaka | themill, log http://pastebin.com/mb147ca3 |
| 23:28.47 | themill | bolt: I don't see a strange jump from low to high speed. |
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| 23:30.25 | bolt | themill: if you increase your acceleration to something like 3, you will see it |
| 23:30.50 | themill | bolt: right, but I don't want the acceleration that high. That's crazy. |
| 23:31.04 | themill | Tchaka: can you pastebin the entire log file not just the last 100 lines of it? |
| 23:31.46 | bolt | themill: it's probably just my personal perversity, which is why most people don't experience the same thing, but I want to be able to easily move the mouse across the entire screen without moving the base of my hand. i move the mouse using just the fingers holding it. |
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| 23:32.48 | Tchaka | themill, ok i think everything is there http://pastebin.com/m79600669 |
| 23:33.05 | themill | bolt: I do that with the settings I have (on the trackpad at least, probably not quite that far with a rodent). But as you said... this is not something that's broken with linux, it's your personal perversity... |
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| 23:34.39 | Tchaka | themill, weirdly I find that my xorg.cong is quite empty |
| 23:34.40 | bolt | themill: windows supports that perversity perfectly, however, and apparently so does freebsd with "moused". i think i'll have to alter the acceleration algorithm or get used to this and experience hell each time i go back and forth to the windows box at work |
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| 23:37.11 | themill | Tchaka: yes, that's lenny's new trick. Do you know if your RV770 is even properly supported by fglrx? (I don't) |
| 23:37.12 | Tchaka | themill, I did not find any error inside |
| 23:38.09 | Tchaka | themill, no |
| 23:38.18 | Tchaka | themill, I didnt check |
| 23:38.24 | bolt | themill: i don't think it's just me though. i've found literally hundreds of posts concerning xorg mouse acceleration, mostly people trying to get it to work properly, badmouthing it or suggesting improvements and patches |
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| 23:39.15 | Tchaka | themill, as I have recent graphic card I tried first to install the ati driver from the web site |
| 23:39.28 | themill | Tchaka: google tells me is should be, and google's always right, isn't it? Try adding something like this to the relevant section of the xorg.conf http://rafb.net/p/U2PJFN26.html |
| 23:39.48 | Tchaka | themill, but as I wrote at the beginning I also have issues |
| 23:39.50 | themill | bolt: you can also find many posts on the web telling you that the CIA kidnapped Elvis. |
| 23:40.07 | bolt | themill: good point |
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| 23:41.40 | Tchaka | themill, sorry for the newbies question but each time I edit my xorg.conf I have to restartx ? |
| 23:42.13 | themill | Tchaka: yes, you will. |
| 23:42.26 | Tchaka | ok lets go |
| 23:42.56 | themill | runs off and hides while Tchaka is gone |
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| 23:43.46 | Tchaka | themill, re I am still running with mesa :( |
| 23:44.13 | themill | Tchaka: feel like pastebinning your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log again? |
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| 23:46.06 | Tchaka | themill, log http://pastebin.com/m3d73d1fc |
| 23:47.10 | Tchaka | themill, xorg http://pastebin.com/m2bb85924 |
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| 23:48.51 | themill | Tchaka: you can only have one Section "Device" in the xorg.conf. Try commenting the first one out. |
| 23:48.52 | Tchaka | themill, do you know a forum where I could ask for help about my problem? |
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| 23:53.08 | Tchaka | themill, I cannot start x by commenting the first device section |
| 23:54.06 | Tchaka | themill, I have to sleep, could you just advice me a good forum where I could explain my problem? |
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| 23:54.46 | themill | Tchaka: :( you could try emailing the debian-users mailing list. See http://lists.debian.org |
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| 23:56.16 | Tchaka | themill, ok |
| 23:56.27 | Tchaka | themill, anyway thx for your help |
| 23:56.36 | themill | no worries. Good luck with it |
| 23:57.33 | Tchaka | good night |
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