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| 00:00.27 | sepult | is ext3 buggy ? |
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| 00:01.26 | sepult | cause i get swap corruption and runaway inodes and counts and whatnot... |
| 00:01.49 | \amethyst | swap corruption? do you have a swap partition or a swap file? |
| 00:02.00 | sepult | swap partition |
| 00:02.11 | \amethyst | that would have nothing to do with ext3 then |
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| 00:02.17 | \amethyst | check you RAM and your disk first |
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| 00:02.33 | sepult | and what about the journal ? |
| 00:02.49 | \amethyst | sepult: what about it? |
| 00:03.04 | sepult | the internal journal upon recovering does show so many inodes which are no more referenced or so .. |
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| 00:04.14 | \amethyst | sepult: both swap and ext3 screwing up at the same time is what makes me suspect it's RAM, disk, controller, or cable |
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| 00:04.49 | \amethyst | sepult: I guess overlapping partitions could also be a cause, but that's unlikely |
| 00:04.55 | sepult | ok i maybe not correct with swap, cause i reformatted it and did a new install of lenny |
| 00:05.45 | sepult | last time i installed it i got a fill-super error i don't know what it means |
| 00:06.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 00:07.02 | sepult | and what does bread mean = |
| 00:07.03 | sepult | ? |
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| 00:08.17 | sepult | the count of free inodes for some group is false ? wth |
| 00:08.18 | karsten | sepult: context? |
| 00:08.26 | karsten | sepult: block-read I think. |
| 00:08.31 | sepult | oh ok |
| 00:09.23 | sepult | i didn't do anything else then install some packages with apt-get or aptitude, and got some errors regarding that, i wonder where those failures on my disk come from... |
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| 00:11.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are the other changes other than the name going from g77 to gfortran? |
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| 00:12.47 | ma3x | why 'dmesg' lines begin with 4499.222635 for example. before a time and date was stated but not anymore. what do those stamps mean now? |
| 00:13.27 | \amethyst | ma3x: seconds since bootup I believe |
| 00:13.45 | ma3x | wow, isn't that a freaky idea |
| 00:14.06 | ma3x | what the hell, how would that help me? |
| 00:14.13 | ma3x | if it's 32872.288572 secs or 133084.23750 |
| 00:14.30 | abrotman | uhm .. it's quite helpful |
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| 00:14.44 | veliux | hello i have a laptop asus f8sp with a 250 gig sata harddrive. When i try to install debian it doesnt show my harddrive partitions, that i made in gentoo? I am dual booting with vista home premium |
| 00:14.51 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: the initial bootstrap of the executable has changed and compiled objects are not binary compatible. Time to recompile all that old cruft! There's a thread about the transition on the debian-science mailing list from sept 2005 (and then istr again a bit later) |
| 00:14.52 | hachi | the gnome web browser, whatever it is called... the running process only calls it 'web-browser' |
| 00:15.08 | hachi | how do I make it ignore network-manager ? |
| 00:15.14 | ma3x | abrotman: how? |
| 00:15.27 | abrotman | so you iknow when the message happened |
| 00:15.59 | ma3x | well im not gonna calculate the seconds and milliseconds from the boot time |
| 00:16.01 | veliux | i have used the stable net install cd image. I then tried the tesing net install image, and then i tried the weekly build image, non of them detect my partitions on my harddrive |
| 00:16.11 | ma3x | i simply want a time and date stamp |
| 00:16.29 | frostschutz | ma3x: you don't have to calculate them, they are printed directly :) |
| 00:16.49 | ma3x | yeah but you need to calculate them so you can get the minutes and hours |
| 00:17.00 | abrotman | boohoo |
| 00:17.38 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: coupled with /proc/uptime, it's pretty trivial to calculate |
| 00:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, I mainly noticed, that it doesn't recognize -fforce-mem -fno-move-all-movables and -fno-reduce-all-givs anymore... mmm... damn, this used to "just compile" guess now I should check what these guys do (these are chemistry programs with non-free license that probably aren't maintained anymore)... lets see what else broke |
| 00:18.09 | veliux | CFdisk works fine in gentoo so i made ext3 partions in gentoo, but debian does not see them nor my win vista. It doesnt even detect myharddrive right. Is there anything i can do? |
| 00:18.19 | frostschutz | ma3x: I'm not aware of an option for this in a standard kernel |
| 00:18.25 | karsten | sepult: As in: http://man.netbsd.se/?find=bread+9+30 |
| 00:18.26 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: probably lots. |
| 00:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 00:18.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
| 00:19.10 | ma3x | ha ha, well someone had to realize that 'genuine' dream idea and put those secs/milliseconds there |
| 00:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I should try fort77 |
| 00:19.36 | veliux | I use a laptop asus f8sp, that has a 250 gig sata drive. Debian doesnt detect any partitions on my harddrive. Other linux distros work but i want debian. I tried all of the cd images as of late and non of them will allow me to install debian.....because of the harddrive issue. |
| 00:19.37 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I prefer the shelter of outpost42. |
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| 00:19.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | wazzat? |
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| 00:19.59 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: It's smaller and older than fort77. |
| 00:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I get a shitload of undefined references with both |
| 00:20.21 | frostschutz | ma3x: those timing printks are done by the kernel. for a human readable date you'd have to know the current time (not every kernel does) as well as the locale and timezone (welcome to the user space realm, kernel won't do that) |
| 00:20.22 | karsten | hands CutMeOwnThroat the chain that's just been yanked from him. |
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| 00:21.37 | frostschutz | ma3x: however you could probably get some user space app (the syslogger) to convert those timings for you in /var/log/dmesg. I don't know of any that do this however. |
| 00:21.53 | \amethyst | ma3x: say you've got the time of the message in $msgtime: read up idle < /proc/uptime; date -d "$(bc <<<"$up - $msgtime") seconds ago" |
| 00:22.08 | frostschutz | ma3x: I take it back, actually the syslogger does this in /var/log/messages |
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| 00:22.54 | \amethyst | ma3x: it might be slightly off, since time will elapse between reading the uptime and invoking date; so there's not much point to using the milliseconds |
| 00:22.55 | frostschutz | ma3x: /var/log/messages:Feb 9 19:19:03 deb [21405.810612] sd 10:0:0:0:... |
| 00:23.32 | frostschutz | things that userspace does for you ... |
| 00:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess there is no compatibility flag that I can select and it'll just act as g77 used to? |
| 00:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, that sucks - there's a piece of code in there that really wasn't a good idea because it makes stupid assumptions... it's easy to fix for every single case... but of course not if one can't compile anymore |
| 00:25.41 | ma3x | frostschutz: yes not long ago 'dmesg' looked like /var/log/messages with the same stamps. now you get the timing prinkts |
| 00:25.45 | ma3x | prinks |
| 00:25.52 | ma3x | ah i can't type it :) |
| 00:27.13 | frostschutz | ma3x: then you must've had some non standard kernel - I'm not aware of any readable date timing in dmesg, and I don't think it's possible to do in the kernel (with correct locale / timezone). |
| 00:27.44 | frostschutz | ma3x: or you had a non standard dmesg that showed the syslogger filtered dmesg instead of the real thing |
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| 00:28.24 | ma3x | maybe it was without the time and date stamp, i don't remember |
| 00:28.56 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: There's no g77 anymore? |
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| 00:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, no... replaced by gfortran |
| 00:31.05 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Hrm. |
| 00:31.09 | bolt | themill, dondelelcaro: found someone else with the same problem and a huge patch he's trying to get into xorg, hoping for version 7.5 for that. currently building xorg-server-core with https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8583 applied. hope this will be better :) |
| 00:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, exactly |
| 00:31.56 | bolt | your precious mouse acceleration threshold is doomed, DOOMED, i say! :D |
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| 00:35.13 | bolt | worst thing about this is, i'll probably not have to work with this gui crap for long, so i'll be back to ratpoison and no rodent soon enough |
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| 00:35.13 | bolt | oh well... |
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| 00:37.18 | sprax | Ok I'm confused. I installed mysql, but never got prompted to specify a password. I used the update user commands I found through google and it said the rows were changed, and yet when I try to mysql -u root -p I get no love. Can someone please tell me what to google to find the answers I need? Thanks. |
| 00:38.05 | bolt | sprax: root has no password by default. you should set one :) |
| 00:38.35 | bolt | (in mysql that is) |
| 00:38.52 | themill | !mysql initial password |
| 00:38.52 | dpkg | if you've never set a password for mysql before then you can run: /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'enter-your-good-new-password-here'; if you have set a password before, ask me about <forgot mysql root password> |
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| 00:39.17 | bolt | oh. neat. |
| 00:39.21 | sprax | cool, thanks |
| 00:39.23 | sprax | 1 sec I'll try |
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| 00:39.59 | sprax | worked like a charm! |
| 00:39.59 | bolt | is off to bed while this stuff compiles |
| 00:40.06 | sprax | thanks bolt, please excuse my noobishness |
| 00:40.25 | bolt | sprax: you should thank themill :) and no problem. |
| 00:40.32 | sprax | oh, duh |
| 00:40.37 | sprax | thanks themill |
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| 00:40.51 | sprax | is feeling rather foolish |
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| 00:44.41 | Mousey | stupid impostors |
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| 00:47.31 | xoox | In what case would a partition be "busy" when unmounted (not listed by mount) when trying to do an fsck |
| 00:49.03 | sepult | scsi and usb which got hot-unplugged lol |
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| 00:52.29 | nsadmin | xoox was it mounted before? |
| 00:52.46 | nsadmin | not sure the cases. |
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| 00:56.46 | samuel_ | hello guys |
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| 00:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I thought gfortran would be a drop-in replacement |
| 00:58.09 | themill | ha! |
| 00:58.36 | samuel_ | is there any way to get apt to ignore package updates for a package in particular? |
| 00:59.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha indeed :( |
| 00:59.11 | themill | samuel_: /msg dpkg hold ; but that's not always a good idea. Packages are normally updated for a good reason. |
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| 00:59.19 | mifritscher | hi |
| 00:59.39 | xoox | nsadmin: Yes. Became mount ro for unknown reasons. |
| 00:59.41 | mifritscher | is there a way to supress as much configure-questions as possible while installing packages? |
| 00:59.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, doh... now it compiles lots without errors |
| 00:59.59 | samuel_ | themill: I know, its just one in particular, django. There is a bug in all the latest versions that affects me. Thanks for the info! |
| 01:00.02 | base3 | hi there my xorg.conf just says "Configured Monitor" and "Configured Video Device" instead of identifying them and I think this is why i cant change the resolution above 800x600. Is there some way to autodetect the right values?? |
| 01:00.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, haha... and you told me... there must have been some stale object files around... |
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| 01:00.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn me... wasted half an hour on stupidity |
| 01:00.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | throws a quarter in the stupidity box |
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| 01:01.09 | stew | you throw a quarter in, and abrotman appears |
| 01:01.37 | themill | shhh! he'll know that we've been talking about him! |
| 01:02.00 | abrotman | should i care? |
| 01:02.14 | stew | abrotman: i just called you stupid |
| 01:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, you're talking jack-out-of-the-box here? |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | stew: ferwhy? |
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| 01:02.42 | stew | fer the lulz |
| 01:02.53 | abrotman | thinks Nyle has stolen stew's nick |
| 01:03.13 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: the only difference to the average half-hour on #d is that this was caused by your stupidity and not someone elses :P |
| 01:03.21 | abrotman | winks at stew |
| 01:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, you got a point there... |
| 01:05.39 | abrotman | stew: and while you're at it .. go ask mrs if it's the 12/13/14 |
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| 01:06.43 | stew | she doesn't seem ready to asnwer that |
| 01:06.58 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:08.43 | Stanlin | HELLO!! |
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| 01:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, I'm still kind of glad that it was just stale object files and not real syntax/library changes |
| 01:09.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, actually lots of people coming in after that quarter |
| 01:10.29 | themill | wanders off to empty the box... |
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| 01:12.09 | TobiG | hi |
| 01:12.13 | TobiG | I am looking for the appropriate boot.img.gz for etchnhalf iso's |
| 01:12.25 | TobiG | to create a bootable usb drive for etchnhalf |
| 01:12.41 | TobiG | not lucky getting the right file, any pointers where to find this ? |
| 01:12.48 | TobiG | thx in advance |
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| 01:15.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you read http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf ? |
| 01:15.20 | Stanlin | man, i love deb ian |
| 01:15.29 | Stanlin | how to learn the secrets of debian?? |
| 01:15.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | drag it off to guantanamo and start torturing |
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| 01:16.29 | Stanlin | guantanamo 5 star Resort? |
| 01:16.29 | Evanlec | hello im new to debian, how can i get vim with +python _and_ +ruby support? |
| 01:16.40 | Stanlin | Evanlec: #vim |
| 01:16.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is "python support"? |
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| 01:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | syntax highlighting? |
| 01:17.20 | Mousey | :syntax on |
| 01:17.24 | Evanlec | CutMeOwnThroat: that and scripting |
| 01:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | what scripting? |
| 01:17.41 | Mousey | by "vim" do you mean "emacs"? |
| 01:17.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | should all be there in the normal vim |
| 01:18.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least for syntax highlighting there's nothing extra to install - just need to switch it on |
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| 01:18.26 | Mousey | what CutMeOwnThroat said |
| 01:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, hm - look through apt-cache search --names-only vim |
| 01:18.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | you need to install a full vim |
| 01:19.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | default d. vim is vim.tiny |
| 01:19.14 | Evanlec | yea |
| 01:19.30 | Evanlec | im going to try vim-nox |
| 01:19.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's an additional vim-scripts you might want |
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| 01:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | use apt-cache show vim-scripts to see what the package is about |
| 01:21.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, there's a vim with a gui |
| 01:24.33 | Evanlec | hmm |
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| 01:24.50 | Evanlec | can't find vim-nox |
| 01:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not |
| 01:25.12 | avtolfm | vim-nox? |
| 01:25.16 | Evanlec | yes |
| 01:25.18 | Evanlec | vim-nox |
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| 01:25.22 | Evanlec | im on a headless box |
| 01:25.22 | avtolfm | wth is vim-nox? |
| 01:25.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | nox... no X |
| 01:25.30 | Evanlec | vim without X dependencies |
| 01:25.34 | avtolfm | uhm |
| 01:25.38 | avtolfm | gvim is for x |
| 01:25.42 | avtolfm | vim is for console |
| 01:25.42 | Evanlec | i know |
| 01:25.53 | Evanlec | but if you install vim-full it brings along the kitchen sink |
| 01:26.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing wrong with kitchens or sinks! |
| 01:26.15 | Evanlec | true |
| 01:26.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, vim-nox is in main |
| 01:26.23 | Evanlec | but i have little need for X on a headless server |
| 01:26.31 | Evanlec | is it? humph |
| 01:26.32 | avtolfm | i see, i just used to install vim and supossedly it installs vim-nox |
| 01:26.34 | Evanlec | why am i not finding it |
| 01:26.39 | avtolfm | it is indeed in main |
| 01:26.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:27.00 | Evanlec | whatsthe popular pastebin app on debian? |
| 01:27.05 | Evanlec | im coming from Archlinux ;p |
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| 01:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... did you run apt-get update? |
| 01:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyone will do, but you can /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 01:28.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, app |
| 01:28.14 | TobiG | nm, succeeded using the lenny boot.img.gz |
| 01:28.20 | KIT_VICIOUS | hi to all |
| 01:28.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like pastebinit on lenny |
| 01:28.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno about etch |
| 01:28.43 | Evanlec | pastebinit ftw! |
| 01:28.49 | Evanlec | sweet |
| 01:28.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | TobiG, that's what I was suggesting to you... |
| 01:28.56 | Evanlec | tahts what i use on arch, very simple python script |
| 01:29.07 | Evanlec | but also, where is python2.6 ? |
| 01:29.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or the page I was referring you to) |
| 01:29.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks around wildly... where has python2.6 gone |
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| 01:29.49 | TobiG | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry did not see it, |
| 01:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, it's not there yet... |
| 01:29.52 | TobiG | thx though |
| 01:29.59 | KIT_VICIOUS | can anyone help me for this - unicorn_ethdrv.c:7:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:30.04 | Evanlec | CutMeOwnThroat: bummer, i cant seem to find pastebinit package either |
| 01:30.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | TobiG, well, you figured... that's the main thing :) |
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| 01:30.13 | Evanlec | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-get update ran thru fine |
| 01:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, well, TELL us what you've got in /etc/apt/sources.list... normally it's only 2 lines anyway |
| 01:30.45 | KIT_VICIOUS | does anyone know the cause of thatmessage in a compilation source |
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| 01:31.11 | Evanlec | CutMeOwnThroat: http://dpaste.com/118769/ |
| 01:31.15 | KIT_VICIOUS | which package should i install to work correcly? |
| 01:31.21 | egcj | hi to all |
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| 01:31.44 | KIT_VICIOUS | hi |
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| 01:31.47 | avtolfm | KIT_VICIOUS, try aptitude install build-essential |
| 01:31.51 | KIT_VICIOUS | egcj |
| 01:31.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, well, no pastebinit for you - it's only in lenny (or perhaps in backports) |
| 01:32.02 | Evanlec | Oh! |
| 01:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions vim-nox |
| 01:32.07 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: vim-nox -- etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2 lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 sid: 2:7.2.079-1 |
| 01:32.09 | Evanlec | bummer! |
| 01:32.11 | KIT_VICIOUS | thx a lot |
| 01:32.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, oh, and there is indeed no vim-nox in etch either... |
| 01:32.26 | KIT_VICIOUS | but i think i have yet that packages |
| 01:32.41 | KIT_VICIOUS | cos i used it to compile madwifi's source |
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| 01:32.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, well, run the apt-cache thing I told you... it might just be called differently |
| 01:33.29 | the6step | CutMeOwnThroat: http://packages.debian.org/sid/vim-nox |
| 01:33.36 | the6step | it's cited there but i can't use it |
| 01:33.50 | Evanlec | the6step: its cuz we're on etch ;p |
| 01:33.52 | TobiG | vim-nox has been around a while |
| 01:34.02 | the6step | Evanlec: k |
| 01:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, you can use the one from backports, of course /msg dpkg bpo for that (but I really wonder why there is none in etch) |
| 01:34.11 | vladi_ | anyone know of a prog that gathere's hardware specs for an server and outputs the results? like ram / disk / cpu's etc.. possibly server's serial |
| 01:34.22 | avtolfm | Evanlec, I don't see which kitchen sink vim package pulls in http://packages.debian.org/etch/vim |
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| 01:34.37 | Evanlec | avtolfm: vim-full not vim |
| 01:34.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec/ the6step how many ARE you?! |
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| 01:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://packages.debian.org/etch/vim is for etch |
| 01:35.37 | eidolon | hi folks, i have a machine thats coming up as "Intel Xeon Processor x4" - my understanding is i should use the amd64 distirbution of etch on this, but on boot, it says "you need a 64 bit distribution" - did i pull down the wrong version? |
| 01:35.52 | avtolfm | Evanlec, i see. afaik vim-full is not installed when you install vim. i don't have it. |
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| 01:36.05 | the6step | CutMeOwnThroat: basically I'm personally trying to get python/ruby support on my machine and Evan is helping me |
| 01:36.13 | the6step | python/ruby support for vim that is |
| 01:36.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, I don't see any x dependencies on vim... and vim-common can be satisfied by vim, so should be ok |
| 01:36.33 | eidolon | this is the copy i'm using: -rw-r--r-- 1 dbs dbs 153217024 2009-02-08 12:01 debian-40r6-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:36.36 | egcj | please, im having this problem, the same as this one, but i download debian lenny amd64 today from the site... i have a p5q asus mobo. anyone knows anything about? |
| 01:36.41 | egcj | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/2b42495b5c7de0ed?pli=1 |
| 01:36.54 | Evanlec | CutMeOwnThroat: oh i know, but i need +python and +ruby support, so i'll have to go with vim-full |
| 01:36.58 | Stanlin | egcj: i cant read it |
| 01:37.21 | rahsputin | hello, i am making a custom kernel and did # make-kpkg --initrd kernel:image and get this error ---> http://rafb.net/p/NV0alW38.html |
| 01:37.31 | egcj | why Stanlin? |
| 01:37.35 | rahsputin | kernel_image^^^ |
| 01:37.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, no, vim-full is just a dummy metapackage |
| 01:37.43 | Stanlin | egcj: use net install |
| 01:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, there's no need to install it - except if you need the convenience |
| 01:38.11 | Evanlec | CutMeOwnThroat: i need +python +ruby ... |
| 01:38.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, always run apt-cache show <packagename> on the packages to see what they really are |
| 01:38.27 | TobiG | thx again CutMeOwnThroat, be careful with razors and knifes :) |
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| 01:38.32 | Stanlin | ruby is obsolete already |
| 01:38.34 | KIT_VICIOUS | evanlec |
| 01:38.36 | egcj | already tried but my network card is not reconazide |
| 01:38.41 | abrotman | egcj: does the the BIOS have any controller options like legacy ? |
| 01:38.43 | KIT_VICIOUS | i have build essential |
| 01:38.44 | abrotman | Stanlin: stop trolling |
| 01:38.50 | Stanlin | egcj: i mean pxe server |
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| 01:39.13 | KIT_VICIOUS | unicorn_ethdrv.c:7:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory someone has a solution for it? |
| 01:39.16 | egcj | abrotman sorry, but what is legacy? |
| 01:39.19 | avtolfm | egcj, you need zlib1g-dev it seems |
| 01:39.29 | abrotman | egcj: a controller option that might be in your bios |
| 01:39.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, look at e.g. http://packages.debian.org/etch/vim-full - and look at the dependencies... there's no special magic there |
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| 01:40.03 | egcj | abrotman no there is none active |
| 01:40.15 | Evanlec | CutMeOwnThroat: im not sure what you're trying to tell me, im telling you that all i need is +python and +ruby support compiled into vim |
| 01:40.31 | abrotman | egcj: you checked your BIOS and tried the installer already? |
| 01:40.41 | avtolfm | Evanlec, have you tried vim-python and/or vim-ruby? |
| 01:41.07 | Evanlec | avtolfm: yea, but i want both! |
| 01:41.17 | Evanlec | seems silly to have 2 extra packages |
| 01:41.22 | KIT_VICIOUS | does anyone have the solution for this problem ------------>unicorn_ethdrv.c:7:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:41.22 | egcj | avtolfm what is that? |
| 01:41.24 | KIT_VICIOUS | ? |
| 01:41.33 | avtolfm | egcj, aptitude show zlib1g-dev |
| 01:41.33 | abrotman | !tell KIT_VICIOUS about apt-file |
| 01:41.39 | egcj | abrotman many times |
| 01:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, I'm telling you that it *is* compiled in - and depending on what "python/ruby" support actually is, you might or might not need the libruby1.8 or e.g the python2.4 dependency - I severely doubt that syntax highlighting needs any of those |
| 01:41.51 | KIT_VICIOUS | the |
| 01:41.57 | KIT_VICIOUS | thx |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | avtolfm: he can't get it installed .. how will that package help ? |
| 01:42.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, just fn install vim and possibly vim-scripts and try if it does what you need |
| 01:42.11 | Evanlec | CutMeOwnThroat: no but i have plugins that are requiring python support build in |
| 01:42.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | then we don't have to discuss it another half an hour |
| 01:42.30 | Evanlec | heh |
| 01:42.44 | Evanlec | sorry i just dont understand debian philosophy |
| 01:42.53 | avtolfm | abrotman, egcj's paste |
| 01:42.55 | Evanlec | using old versions of software etc |
| 01:42.57 | egcj | lol what is that package for? |
| 01:43.10 | avtolfm | Evanlec, stable version of software |
| 01:43.13 | abrotman | if he can't get the system installed, how will he install that package ? |
| 01:43.27 | avtolfm | Evanlec, bleeding edge is often not stable (or rather unstable) |
| 01:43.31 | egcj | hehe |
| 01:43.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Evanlec, you don't need to just to install a package |
| 01:43.39 | Evanlec | avtolfm: i was suprised at how stable most of it really is |
| 01:43.58 | eidolon | ohh. further details. "Your CPU does nto support long mode. Use a 32bit distribution." |
| 01:44.03 | avtolfm | abrotman, egcj, sorry my bad |
| 01:44.16 | Stanlin | eidolon: sounds like a vm |
| 01:44.31 | avtolfm | some rahsputin had that problem. sorry for the noice then. |
| 01:44.32 | Ace2016_- | is there a visual representation of the deps on my system? |
| 01:44.38 | egcj | avtolfm no problem :D |
| 01:44.42 | zinx | eidolon: "Your CPU does nto support long mode. Use a 32bit distribution." |
| 01:44.55 | eidolon | Stanlin: it isn't. this is a hardware boot. that's booting right off the amd64 distro cd. |
| 01:44.57 | Cope | i'd like to import my firefox bookmarks and passwords into the debian web browser from a backup of /home on an ubuntu machine - what's the best way to do this? |
| 01:45.11 | eidolon | zinx: these are paired Xeon CPU's. afaik, they're full 64bit |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | Cope: if it's the same browser, just replace the bookmarks file |
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| 01:45.40 | zinx | eidolon: Dual and Quad core Xeons are, i believe.. some older Xeons are not |
| 01:46.03 | Stanlin | eidolon: lenny? |
| 01:46.07 | zinx | eidolon: and in any case, it says quite clearly that 64-bit is not supported with your current configuration |
| 01:46.07 | eidolon | this is coming up as 'Intel Xeon Processor x4" - the bios says "Number of cpus: 4" |
| 01:46.09 | Cope | abrotman: the debian browser is just firefox without some non-free / questionable stuff, isn't it? |
| 01:46.17 | eidolon | Stanlin: nosir, etch. |
| 01:46.23 | eidolon | (latest build) |
| 01:46.25 | abrotman | Cope: yep, so just find hte bookmarks file and overwrite it ? |
| 01:46.27 | abrotman | or directory |
| 01:46.28 | zinx | eidolon: so it hardly matters whether it's 64-bit or not :/ |
| 01:46.29 | Stanlin | eidolon: lenny then |
| 01:46.32 | Cope | tries |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | eidolon: tried i386 ? |
| 01:46.50 | eidolon | abrotman: well, that would sort of defeat the purpose of havein 64bit cpus, yah? |
| 01:46.59 | abrotman | eidolon: you're not even sure they're 64bit |
| 01:47.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 01:47.07 | zinx | eidolon: i would rather use a 32-bit distribution that works than a 64-bit one that doesn't. |
| 01:47.11 | zinx | eidolon: maybe that's just me? |
| 01:47.19 | abrotman | zinx: that's crazy talk! |
| 01:47.20 | Ace2016_- | eidolon: what cpus are they? |
| 01:47.21 | eidolon | zinx: there are variations on 'doesn't work' |
| 01:47.34 | eidolon | if this is a bios setting, it seems premature to toss the entire distro out, neh? |
| 01:47.51 | zinx | eidolon: "Your CPU does nto support long mode. Use a 32bit distribution." is "The amd64 port isn't going to do a damned thing. Grats on your paperweight." |
| 01:47.51 | eidolon | Ace2016_-: i'm not 100% sure. let me boot my sysrecovery cd and check. |
| 01:47.57 | Stanlin | eidolon: xeon was never well supported |
| 01:48.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | zinx, that's just you... better to have 2% performance gain and a system where 30% of the packages don't work or don't exist than sacrifice the performance!!!!!!!!111111111111234 |
| 01:48.11 | abrotman | Stanlin: stop lying |
| 01:48.15 | eidolon | CutMeOwnThroat: errr. what? |
| 01:48.22 | zinx | eidolon: i'm not aware of any BIOSes that let you disable amd64 |
| 01:48.23 | eidolon | i run 64bit systems everywhere. |
| 01:48.28 | Cope | abrotman: hrm, rsyncd /home/ubuntu/.mozilla/firefox to /home/debian/.mozilla |
| 01:48.31 | eidolon | and have not had '30% of packages not working' |
| 01:48.40 | Cope | restarted browser - no show of bookmarks |
| 01:48.43 | eidolon | that may hae been the case a couple years ago. |
| 01:48.53 | zinx | eidolon: but feel free to try... as long as you're getting the message that tells you to use a 32-bit distro, we can't really do anything for you other than tell you to use a 32-bit distro. |
| 01:49.02 | Stanlin | CutMeOwnThroat: just 2% of speed on 64 bit? |
| 01:49.08 | eidolon | zinx: *nod* just exploring options. let me get the exact CPU signature - would love to nail down if this is actually "these cpu's won't do this." |
| 01:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stanlin, depends on whay you do, I guess |
| 01:49.23 | eidolon | brb. rebooting with sysrecoverycd. |
| 01:49.40 | abrotman | eidolon: /proc/cpuinfo might have some info we'll find useful |
| 01:49.54 | eidolon | abrotman: yeah, but i can't get even that far with the etch cd i have. brb. :) |
| 01:50.05 | Ace2016_- | eidolon: how much ram do you have? |
| 01:50.18 | eidolon | 1gig |
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| 01:51.35 | Ace2016_- | then it could be 32bit, don't usually see a pair of 64bit xeons with 1gb of ram |
| 01:52.04 | eidolon | ... |
| 01:52.13 | eidolon | are you for real? :) |
| 01:52.22 | Ace2016_- | yes |
| 01:52.37 | zinx | looks like there are 32-bit dual / quad xeons |
| 01:52.43 | eidolon | dude, it's a used 1U chassis i bought on cl. just because someone took some of the ramsticks out doesn't mean it's suddenly been downgraded to 32bit :) |
| 01:52.56 | Stanlin | Core Xeon Quad ? |
| 01:53.06 | zinx | Stanlin: there is no "Core" |
| 01:53.08 | abrotman | zinx: dual core or dual socket ? |
| 01:53.09 | Ace2016_- | better reboot and check |
| 01:53.17 | zinx | Stanlin: it's "Xeon". |
| 01:53.21 | abrotman | there are tons of dual/quad socket/slot Xeon boards |
| 01:53.39 | zinx | abrotman: ah, the way he said it i was assuming core |
| 01:53.48 | abrotman | zinx: he may not know if he didn't crack the case |
| 01:53.49 | eidolon | i'm booted into sysrecovery. sec. cpuinfo says 'GenuineIntel' '15' '2' 'Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 2.00GHz" |
| 01:54.01 | zinx | abrotman: what kind of nutter doesn't open the case? |
| 01:54.04 | abrotman | that's definitely not 64bit |
| 01:54.07 | zinx | eidolon: it's 32-bit |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | zinx: NFC |
| 01:54.11 | eidolon | dangz |
| 01:54.19 | zinx | eidolon: so again, USE A 32-BIT DISTRIBUTION. |
| 01:54.22 | eidolon | overpaid. not a lot, but overpaid. |
| 01:54.25 | abrotman | eidolon: i have the same family/model here .. (but faster) .. 32bit |
| 01:54.28 | eidolon | zinx: now, sir, i believe you :) |
| 01:54.32 | eidolon | defeats. |
| 01:54.48 | Stanlin | eidolon: i would ask a refund .... |
| 01:54.53 | abrotman | no you wouldn't |
| 01:55.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands zinx a sysvbanner |
| 01:55.20 | eidolon | i bought 2 of these machines, chassis, cpu, ram, and all, for like $260. it's okay really :) |
| 01:55.31 | abrotman | come with rails ? |
| 01:55.39 | eidolon | http://www.flickr.com/photos/planet-geek/3255975781/ <-- that's the box |
| 01:55.54 | eidolon | no, no mounting rails - drive rails yes (that's always the killer for me). that i checked. |
| 01:55.55 | Cope | what's the recommended movie player these days, for dvds? |
| 01:55.59 | eidolon | mplayer |
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| 01:56.17 | Cope | does mplayer show the dvd menus? |
| 01:56.19 | eidolon | http://www.flickr.com/photos/planet-geek/3214217684/ <-- motherboard. |
| 01:56.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | always was always will be? :) |
| 01:56.28 | Ace2016_- | Cope: yes |
| 01:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | really? |
| 01:56.53 | Cope | Great; is it still recommended to build from source, or is the marillat repo still going? |
| 01:56.54 | abrotman | eidolon: that said .. you may have HT enabled, and they may show as four CPUs .. if you're smart, you'll disable the HT |
| 01:56.58 | Cope | dpkg: marillat |
| 01:56.59 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
| 01:57.01 | eidolon | yeah, i know HT is on. |
| 01:57.36 | tac | hi everyone, a question: why lists.debian.org isn't available now. Thanks in advance ! |
| 01:57.51 | abrotman | tac: works here |
| 01:58.19 | eidolon | well, these are still a vast improvement over my older platform - AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1.6gig. - single cpu :) that host has 20+ users on it and is running about 25 websites right now. this'll be a vast step up :) |
| 01:58.24 | eidolon | thanks for your help, guys. |
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| 01:58.38 | nsadmin | what are the available gtk+ libs in etch? I just got done searching, output confused me, what's the name of gtk+ in debian |
| 01:58.44 | tac | abrotman: Thanks, but do you mean the http page ? |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | tac: you mean your email got rejected ? |
| 01:59.23 | tac | abrotman: nah, I can't visit that page http://lists.debian.org now .. |
| 01:59.33 | abrotman | works just great here! |
| 01:59.43 | tac | don't know why, but that keeps not able to subscribe.. |
| 01:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | tac, probably the government suspects you... |
| 01:59.58 | Stanlin | tac try opendns |
| 02:00.01 | nsadmin | I'm looking to install solfege-3.12.1 which requires gtk+-2.6 |
| 02:00.02 | tac | abrotman: weird, thanks ! |
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| 02:00.51 | tac | Oh, maybe that's something. but why lists.debian. I could visit www.debian.org. Ok! thank you all Guys :) |
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| 02:01.44 | nsadmin | tac: lists is where the mailing lists are... bugs is where the bugs are... packages is where the packages... www is where the doubleyews are |
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| 02:01.53 | blahdeblah-lap | Hi. Can anyone recommend a utility that will allow me to extract individual components from a MIME-formatted message and convert the attachments from base64 to something readable? |
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| 02:02.45 | nsadmin | blahdeblah-lap: perl has the MIME module |
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| 02:03.07 | nsadmin | you can use that to create mimes and extract the parts |
| 02:03.22 | blahdeblah-lap | nsadmin: any command-line utilities rather than code-based ones? |
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| 02:03.53 | nsadmin | maybe you can compose a perl one-liner to do it |
| 02:04.49 | nsadmin | blahdeblah-lap: not that I know of, and btw, perl is probably not the only scripting language that has mime support |
| 02:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell blahdeblah-lap -about search |
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| 02:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find exactly one :) |
| 02:06.56 | Stanlin | !tell me -about sshfs |
| 02:07.03 | abrotman | !tell Stanlin about selftell |
| 02:07.18 | nsadmin | (or: /msg dpkg sshfs) |
| 02:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | was that a macro? |
| 02:07.22 | shabble | blahdeblah-lap: mimestrip? |
| 02:07.42 | nsadmin | macro parlo? |
| 02:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought of uudeview |
| 02:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure if it really does what he wants, though |
| 02:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, there's also mimedecode |
| 02:09.11 | tac | nsadmin and all : I mean this sentence on debian page "You can use simple web forms to subscribe or unsubscribe from individual mailing lists, available at their respective web pages at http://lists.debian.org/." DOESN"T WORK FOR ME. |
| 02:09.41 | tac | : ) know nothing about that ... help welcomed :) |
| 02:09.44 | enouf | uudecode |
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| 02:10.07 | Cope | Ace2016_-: ok mplayer installed and working on cli viz: mplayer dvd://2 |
| 02:10.07 | nsadmin | tac: why? |
| 02:10.23 | Cope | Ace2016_-: how do i get it to play the menus? |
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| 02:11.34 | dusty_ | Hey guys whats a good equaliser for gnome ? so i can tweak the bass of my sub etc ? |
| 02:11.56 | enouf | the titles are likely on another vob, try dvd://3 4 5 etc |
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| 02:12.20 | enouf | or, try 1-5 or something |
| 02:13.09 | tac | nsadmin I just can't navigate to that page. http://lists.debian.org Is that work for you too ? |
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| 02:15.13 | Ace2016_- | tac: can you ping it? |
| 02:15.14 | nsadmin | yeah, conqueror works fine |
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| 02:16.13 | Panarchy | syas Hi |
| 02:16.15 | Panarchy | Is it complicated to create a desktop/gnome menu shortcut for a command-line only program? |
| 02:16.36 | nsadmin | probably not |
| 02:17.10 | Ace2016_- | Cope: you might want to install mplayer and the libdvd things from debian multimedia |
| 02:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | tac, how about using a cgi proxy like e.g. anonymouse.org (there are lots of others) |
| 02:17.19 | Panarchy | nsadmin: Do you know how to do it>? |
| 02:17.24 | tac | nsadmin: So that's my problem. :) really curious... |
| 02:17.24 | Panarchy | If so, can you tell me? |
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| 02:17.30 | Ace2016_- | Panarchy: xterm -e command |
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| 02:17.36 | Cope | Ace2016_-: yeah done that |
| 02:17.46 | tac | Ace2016_-: Hard name ... hehe ping is OK.. |
| 02:17.49 | hooya | anyone know a channel for GNU R? |
| 02:18.29 | nsadmin | what's a r? |
| 02:18.33 | dusty_ | Hey guys whats a good equaliser for gnome ? so i can tweak the bass of my sub etc ? |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | the one in your audio palyer most likely |
| 02:19.07 | Panarchy | Ace2016_-: So xterm is my default terminal? |
| 02:20.06 | hooya | dusty_: there's a volume control applet.. to tweak the eq, you may have to rely on the player. |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | Panarchy: do you ahve another terminal you'd rather use ? |
| 02:20.08 | Ace2016_- | Panarchy: no, xterm is just a terminal app |
| 02:20.20 | Ace2016_- | Cope: did you try ogle? |
| 02:20.49 | hooya | nsadmin: a functional language for statistical analysis - think SPSS with no GUI but a full featured programming language. |
| 02:21.09 | Cope | Ace2016_-: no - just installed mplayer, libdvdcss and w32codecs |
| 02:21.09 | nsadmin | oh ok, I've heard of spss |
| 02:21.12 | tac | CutMeOwnThroat and Ace2016_-: thought that maybe my firewall or other limitation thing. Close this question, I 'll try proxy :) thanks for reply |
| 02:21.18 | Cope | everything is playing fine |
| 02:21.28 | Cope | but i cant get dvd menus |
| 02:21.30 | dusty_ | hooya, it does not let me do it in the applet or player |
| 02:21.40 | Ace2016_- | Cope: well you can try ogle or xine for that |
| 02:21.45 | Cope | ok |
| 02:22.05 | hooya | dusty_: xmms might be your friend. it's been a while since I used it so take it with a grain of salt. |
| 02:22.22 | abrotman | audacious |
| 02:22.42 | dusty_ | no im using last.fm to play the music through their app i jusr need a way to up the bass |
| 02:22.43 | hooya | oh, the audacity! |
| 02:23.03 | hooya | that reminds me of the 'up yours' ads for sprite |
| 02:23.20 | hooya | s/sprite/7up/ |
| 02:24.00 | nsadmin | ginger ale is better than both and vernor's ginger ale is the best I've found |
| 02:24.22 | nsadmin | but all of them have like 20 and 30 grams of sugar... |
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| 02:24.59 | Ace2016_- | nsadmin: is that as much as 2 tablespoons? |
| 02:25.35 | nsadmin | hmm, good question... I'd expect it to be more than that but I never weighed it |
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| 02:25.56 | nsadmin | if you're counting carbs, probably not a good thing :) |
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| 02:26.59 | Ace2016_- | no just compairing it to the amount in my tea |
| 02:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh dear... it compiled with gfortran, but segfaults... and I just overwrote the original :) |
| 02:27.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | (there goes another quarter) |
| 02:27.14 | Cope | Ace2016_-: xine seems to be working for me, thanks! |
| 02:27.20 | Ace2016_- | np |
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| 02:27.46 | Cope | any hints on getting lastfm playing? |
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| 02:30.26 | Panarchy | Confirming that this command would work gnome-terminal -e PROGRAM-NAME |
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| 02:34.44 | tac | CutMeOwnThroat: anonymous proxy works, Thanks ~ |
| 02:35.34 | Panarchy | Confirming that this command would work gnome-terminal -e PROGRAM-NAME |
| 02:35.45 | nsadmin | Panarchy: you can do that confirmation yourself in at least two ways |
| 02:36.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | tac, so what isp do you use and why on earth would it block the debian mailing list? |
| 02:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm china |
| 02:36.31 | nsadmin | any more questions? :P |
| 02:36.33 | Panarchy | nsadmin: LiveCD is currently been created. I don't want my bash_history to be edited |
| 02:37.05 | Ace2016_- | Cope: you can use amarok2 with lastfm |
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| 02:37.39 | tac | CutMeOwnThoat: it doesn't close others. only lists.debian.org.. |
| 02:37.53 | nsadmin | wait... so you've come up with a valid reason to ask people instead of (1) trying it yourself and/or (2) checking the man page... congratulations |
| 02:38.02 | Ace2016_- | Cope: also there is this: http://apt.last.fm/ |
| 02:38.09 | Panarchy | lol |
| 02:38.25 | nsadmin | of course... if you have a separate machine... |
| 02:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice real name, nsadmin |
| 02:39.02 | nsadmin | I have a real name??! |
| 02:39.07 | xxiao | 10 trillion debt in usa means each person owes 40,000 |
| 02:39.26 | nsadmin | I didn't incur that debt :P |
| 02:39.27 | Panarchy | nsadmin: VMware |
| 02:39.28 | Panarchy | lol |
| 02:39.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | xxiao, bah, I don't and you're offtopic |
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| 02:40.01 | stew | xxiao: wrong channel |
| 02:40.06 | xxiao | nsadmin: where next next generations will have to pay, the problem is that the interest will roll like a snow ball |
| 02:40.37 | xxiao | i know...just read a new one that, and i did use python under debian to calculate that :) |
| 02:41.07 | stew | xxiao: drop it |
| 02:41.10 | nsadmin | you can have a rolling snowball in the snow on a big hill... and you can have a snowball on a normal day :) |
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| 02:41.32 | xxiao | iceland, 4million per person, wow |
| 02:41.40 | Sashi | is it possible to get find to not show the ./? |
| 02:41.47 | Ace2016_- | xxiao: is that in dollars? |
| 02:41.59 | xxiao | Ace2016_-: yes sir |
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| 02:42.25 | squisher | Sashi, man cut |
| 02:42.41 | xxiao | anyone found apt-build useful, i keep getting errors |
| 02:42.53 | Stanlin | whats the Lightest Ever ever Distro?? |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | Sashi: what would you rather it show ? |
| 02:42.59 | Sashi | isnt cut for files squisher |
| 02:42.59 | abrotman | Stanlin: try ##linux |
| 02:43.14 | Sashi | abrotman: just the files and folders? |
| 02:43.18 | xxiao | especially this one, "not enough pts" |
| 02:43.23 | Sashi | like no ./folder/file |
| 02:43.26 | squisher | Sashi, nope, cut lets you selectively cut output. Just pipe find's output to it |
| 02:43.27 | Sashi | but just folder/file |
| 02:43.29 | xxiao | but i did mount devpts to /dev/pts |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | Sashi: so relative? you could use cut to trim off the first two chars |
| 02:43.39 | Sashi | oh cool thx |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | i think that's what squisher was alluding to |
| 02:43.51 | squisher | yes abrotman :-) |
| 02:44.03 | nsadmin | Stanlin: no distro/lfs? |
| 02:44.09 | Sashi | err |
| 02:44.17 | Sashi | but thats the problem |
| 02:44.22 | abrotman | that is ? |
| 02:44.25 | Sashi | im outputing it into a file so people can see it |
| 02:44.31 | Panarchy | goes back to working on his Linux distribution [- http://panarchy.wordpress.com -] |
| 02:44.46 | Sashi | cut only outputs to terminal it doesnt save the file now does it? |
| 02:44.48 | squisher | so find <blah> | cut <bleh> > file Sashi |
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| 02:45.17 | squisher | hopes Sashi can figure out where the example starts and ends |
| 02:45.25 | nsadmin | Sashi: so learn the shell, learn a few commands and get creative... |
| 02:45.30 | squisher | Sashi, sounds like you should read up on some shell basics, it'll be very useful to you in the future |
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| 02:46.27 | nsadmin | one clue: you don't have to know everything about it in order to make use of it |
| 02:46.52 | squisher | finds that irc is a seriously great way of keeping himself from doing useful work :-P |
| 02:47.18 | nsadmin | that's why I learn more and more about less and less... |
| 02:47.28 | nsadmin | pretty soon I'll know everythign about nothing! |
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| 02:49.29 | abrotman | nsadmin: man most |
| 02:50.21 | nsadmin | No manual entry for most/ |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | tell nsadmin about installit |
| 02:50.47 | mischief6 | hello, when i use ldd on a program i created, a shared object isn't found, but i have installed the .so's to /usr/local/lib. how can i fix this? |
| 02:51.13 | squisher | mischief6, ldconfig |
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| 02:51.49 | mischief6 | how do i use ldconfig? :s |
| 02:51.52 | nsadmin | what's it for? :) I'm looking to do something else: I want to build the latest solfege but it requires gtk+ 2.6, can I get that? what's the package name? |
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| 02:52.38 | abrotman | nsadmin: on what ? |
| 02:52.48 | nsadmin | etch |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | etch has 2.8 IIRC |
| 02:53.03 | magyar | hi, in lenny "/etc/cron.daily/sysklogd" is rotating files daily. What is the proper way to omit rotation of mail.log ? |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | judd: versions libgtk2.0-0 |
| 02:53.07 | judd | abrotman: libgtk2.0-0 -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.11-4 sid: 2.12.11-4 experimental: 2.14.7-1 |
| 02:53.17 | squisher | mischief6, just run 'ldconfig' as root, that's all. It'll scan /usr/local/lib for you |
| 02:53.24 | abrotman | magyar: how often would you prefer it be rotated ? |
| 02:53.38 | nsadmin | cool, is that gtk+? |
| 02:53.46 | magyar | abrotman: weekly |
| 02:53.46 | abrotman | AFAIK yes |
| 02:54.17 | mischief6 | squisher, i just did that, but ldd still shows the .so as not found :X |
| 02:54.29 | Stanlin | how to optimize the performance in debian? |
| 02:55.06 | abrotman | magyar: what's in sysklogd-listfiles ? |
| 02:55.19 | squisher | mischief6, hmm, not sure then. Make sure that /usr/local/lib is listed somewhere in /etc/ld.so.conf or in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/* |
| 02:55.21 | abrotman | erm .. syslogd-listfiles |
| 02:55.27 | xxiao | mischief6: did you put /usr/local/lib into /etc/ld.so.conf before you run ldconfig -v? |
| 02:56.04 | squisher | magyar, logrotate does that, doesn't it? Check /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d/* |
| 02:56.10 | mischief6 | um, i made a file in ld.so.conf.d/ called libgmp.conf, which has /usr/local/lib in it |
| 02:56.11 | nsadmin | how do I show attributes on the source of a package (example, I want to see those of gtk+2.0) |
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| 02:56.26 | mischief6 | and ran ldconfig, and then ldd on my binary, but still fruitless |
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| 02:57.27 | mischief6 | huh, the .so's show up in ldconfig -v |
| 02:57.32 | mischief6 | but not in ldd |
| 02:57.46 | mischief6 | :x what might be the problem there? |
| 02:57.52 | squisher | mischief6, how did you install the lib? |
| 02:57.55 | nsadmin | or howbout just: a list of the binary packages produced by gtk+2.0 |
| 02:58.12 | squisher | nsadmin, grab the sources and look at debian/control |
| 02:58.16 | mischief6 | squisher, i compiled it from source using the provided makefile |
| 02:58.19 | magyar | abrotman: whatever is in "/etc/syslog.conf" |
| 02:58.22 | xxiao | mischief6: if it's not in ldd, that means your program does not include it at all |
| 02:58.31 | nsadmin | gotta be a better way |
| 02:58.41 | mischief6 | xxiao, no no. it says it is not found in ldd |
| 02:58.43 | squisher | nsadmin, check packages.debian.org, it's probably on there too |
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| 02:58.56 | abrotman | magyar: not quite .. it has different output depending on the flags you give |
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| 03:00.59 | magyar | abrotman: by default it has "syslog" and "mail.log" |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | paste theoutput |
| 03:01.15 | nsadmin | squisher found it... you hit this website: http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/gtk+2.0 |
| 03:02.17 | mischief6 | here is my exact problem: http://codepad.org/1FNy6F8a if anyone cares to look |
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| 03:03.51 | magyar | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1332236 |
| 03:04.14 | Sashi | squisher: i went sed route |
| 03:04.57 | nsadmin | !find pygtk |
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| 03:05.30 | squisher | Sashi, that'll do obviously :) |
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| 03:05.36 | serr | hi |
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| 03:05.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pygtk' (4 of 13): (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/pygtkglext-1.0.pc) in python/python-gtkglext1 ;; (/usr/share/doc/python-jabber/examples/pygtkjab.py) in python/python-jabber ;; (/usr/share/doc/python-gtkmvc-doc/pygtkmvc.pdf.gz) in doc/python-gtkmvc-doc ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/zebrapygtk.so) in devel/zebra-dbg. |
| 03:06.01 | serr | hi |
| 03:06.02 | serr | hi |
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| 03:06.30 | click170 | Is there a maximum number of times you can hard-link a file? |
| 03:06.54 | nsadmin | number of inodes in the fielsystem? |
| 03:07.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I installed kde4.2 from experimental. Everything is working fine. However when i try to install kwin using apt-get/ aptitude it tends to remove some necessary packages like kde4, kde4-minimal, etc. Any solution? |
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| 03:08.36 | magyar | abrotman: where does it read the configurations from? Is it /etc/cron.daily/syslogd? |
| 03:08.54 | abrotman | man syslogd-listfiles tells you where |
| 03:08.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and here is the result http://pastie.org/384672 |
| 03:09.42 | mischief6 | so..any ideas why my program can't see my shared objects? :( |
| 03:09.51 | nsadmin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: experimental is the kind of thing you would provide solutions for... |
| 03:10.02 | Sashi | hmm one more thing |
| 03:10.11 | Sashi | is it possible for find to omit certain folders? |
| 03:10.27 | nsadmin | yes |
| 03:10.29 | squisher | mischief6, arch? 32bit vs 64bit maybe? Just a guess though |
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| 03:10.44 | Sashi | oh? |
| 03:10.51 | mischief6 | squisher, 32 bit |
| 03:10.52 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you should go to #debian-kde for help with kde4 |
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| 03:11.07 | Sashi | nsadmin: how? |
| 03:11.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i went there, no response. very few people. So asked here |
| 03:11.19 | nsadmin | experiment with -prune |
| 03:11.27 | mischief6 | squisher, the box is a pentium 3 :P |
| 03:12.42 | squisher | mischief6, like I said, a guess :-) Check LD_* env. vars too |
| 03:12.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i guess i will wait till debian comes out of freeze and kde4 gets into unstable atleast |
| 03:12.46 | faffi | Hey guys, i dont use a login manager, so if i ctrl alt backspace from X, it drops me to a terminal, is there a proper way to lock the terminal? |
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| 03:13.17 | abrotman | faffi: what is your DE/WM ? |
| 03:13.26 | squisher | faffi, use 'startx ; exit' |
| 03:13.36 | mischief6 | squisher, i have no LD_* env vars :x |
| 03:13.36 | faffi | abrotman: KDE |
| 03:13.45 | abrotman | faffi: i'd imagine KDE has a "lock" button |
| 03:13.48 | magyar | abrotman: /etc/syslog.conf? Why that i have two leny installs with same /etc/syslog.conf file but different syslogd-listfiles output? |
| 03:13.54 | faffi | it does, but i can ctrl alt backspace and kill X |
| 03:13.59 | faffi | abrotman: and it drops me to a terminal |
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| 03:14.02 | abrotman | faffi: that's wrong ... |
| 03:14.07 | mischief6 | faffi, xlock? |
| 03:14.09 | abrotman | faffi: startx ; vlock ? |
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| 03:14.29 | abrotman | magyar: diff your syslog.conf files ? |
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| 03:15.27 | magyar | abrotman: yeap, like twins, no diff |
| 03:15.39 | Furious_Joe | If I copy over /var/cache/apt/archives/* from an old to a new debian install, will I be able to install any pkg I have on the old without downloading lots? |
| 03:16.08 | abrotman | magyar: AFAIK the /etc/syslog.conf is the only file it looks in |
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| 03:16.43 | faffi | abrotman: ok, vlock looks good, so i think im just gonna alias "startx ; vlock" |
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| 03:17.37 | stew | Furious_Joe: yes |
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| 03:18.18 | Furious_Joe | cool, thanks |
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| 03:20.24 | lolsac | hi |
| 03:21.34 | lolsac | does debian work? |
| 03:21.55 | StanManCan | "you're looking for packages labelled 'kernel-source', 'kernel-headers', and 'gcc'. " |
| 03:21.55 | \amethyst | for whom? |
| 03:21.57 | abrotman | that's the best you've got? |
| 03:22.01 | StanManCan | what would the package names be for those ? |
| 03:22.13 | abrotman | StanManCan: linux-headers for example |
| 03:22.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S @ does debian work |
| 03:22.21 | lolsac | yeah.. doe sit work?! |
| 03:22.54 | abrotman | !tell lolsac about ask |
| 03:23.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 03:23.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmao |
| 03:23.02 | \amethyst | sh4d3sl4y3r_: linux-source-<version>, linux-headers-$(uname -r), and gcc |
| 03:23.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ? |
| 03:23.19 | \amethyst | doh |
| 03:23.19 | abrotman | fixes \amethyst's nicktab |
| 03:23.30 | \amethyst | StanManCan: linux-source-<version>, linux-headers-$(uname -r), and gcc |
| 03:23.35 | lolsac | abrotman lol ur nick is funy |
| 03:23.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 03:23.36 | StanManCan | thank you |
| 03:23.42 | StanManCan | how do you find your version ? |
| 03:23.47 | lolsac | i want to install debian on my pc |
| 03:23.55 | abrotman | !tell lolsac about ig |
| 03:23.57 | abrotman | !tell lolsac about netinst |
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| 03:24.43 | lolsac | why is some furfag named dpkg blogging into the window of my IRC client |
| 03:24.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | HAHAHAHA |
| 03:24.53 | magyar | hmm, is there a reason why klogd and sysklogd are needed, default install of lenny is not installing them |
| 03:24.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmao |
| 03:24.56 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: STOP |
| 03:25.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
| 03:25.03 | squisher | lolsac, because you are asking questions which others have asked before? |
| 03:25.21 | lolsac | impossible. no one can have asked my original questions. |
| 03:26.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | brb in a min |
| 03:26.40 | StanManCan | \amethyst: Linux cloverfield 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sat Dec 27 09:31:05 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:27.04 | StanManCan | \amethyst: cloverfield:/home/asterisk# apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 03:27.12 | abrotman | StanManCan: what are you trying to install ? |
| 03:27.14 | StanManCan | \amethyst: says i can't find package |
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| 03:27.25 | StanManCan | i need to install kernel-source |
| 03:27.29 | abrotman | StanManCan: what are you trying to install ? |
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| 03:27.40 | faffi | abrotman: thanks, vlock is marverlous |
| 03:27.49 | \amethyst | StanManCan: just the base part: linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 03:27.49 | faffi | i made an alias to startx ; vlock :) |
| 03:28.03 | lolsac | so anyways, |
| 03:28.13 | lolsac | how do i install debian on my windows vista computer |
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| 03:28.19 | lolsac | also, does debian run the internet? |
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| 03:28.21 | StanManCan | abrotman: asterisk |
| 03:28.25 | abrotman | lolsac: go troll somewhere else |
| 03:28.33 | abrotman | StanManCan: it should just need the headers |
| 03:28.36 | lolsac | abrotman: don't accuse me wrongly of trolling. |
| 03:28.48 | abrotman | then i can state correctly you're a moron ? |
| 03:28.56 | faffi | lolsac: internet runs on a series of tubes, you didnt know this? |
| 03:28.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman can i laugh? |
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| 03:29.07 | abrotman | lolsac: the bot already told you where to find the installation guide and the installation media .. |
| 03:29.11 | lolsac | you can call me a homosexual of black lineage if you wish, but don't call me a troll |
| 03:29.12 | lolsac | thanks. |
| 03:29.20 | abrotman | lolsac: the bot already told you where to find the installation guide and the installation media .. |
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| 03:29.43 | abrotman | i suggest you read the whole manual before asking more questions |
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| 03:29.52 | OldMonk | lolsac: thereby implying that homosexual and black are derogatory terms? |
| 03:30.02 | lolsac | oh!!! so dpkg is a bot. gotcha. i thought it was some furfag emo |
| 03:30.08 | lolsac | old_boilermaker: excuse me!? |
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| 03:30.21 | abrotman | lolsac: stop using those terms |
| 03:30.31 | lolsac | what terms? |
| 03:30.33 | OldMonk | lolsac: i resent the implication that you insule someone by calling them gay and/or black |
| 03:30.42 | OldMonk | s/insule/insult/ |
| 03:31.03 | lolsac | OldMonk: i am gay and black myself, and i take offence to this |
| 03:31.12 | abrotman | no one cares |
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| 03:31.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lenny is scheduled for 14th? |
| 03:31.37 | lolsac | abrotman: OldMonk does, apparently. lulz |
| 03:31.47 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: no, guesstimated |
| 03:31.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm |
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| 03:32.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | it will be a headache to get the DVD set here. To get etch I had to meet some random guy from the internet |
| 03:32.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Internet is very slow here |
| 03:33.11 | magyar | abrotman: forget klogd and sysklogd. rsyslogd is the bomb |
| 03:33.18 | squisher | sh4d3sl4y3r_, order it online? |
| 03:33.20 | craigevil | StanManCan: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-686 , like abrotman said you should just need the headers, if you need the source aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18 |
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| 03:33.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I don't have debit card. Lets see if I can find a store |
| 03:33.57 | lolsac | i RLY like lunix and would install it with pleasure if it sux0red a bit less.. |
| 03:33.58 | lolsac | u know |
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| 03:34.16 | OldMonk | abrotman++ |
| 03:34.17 | abrotman | lolsac: go troll somewhere else, have a good night |
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| 03:34.50 | OldMonk | sh4d3sl4y3r_: where're you located? which city? |
| 03:34.56 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:34.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Kolkata, India |
| 03:34.57 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 03:35.20 | OldMonk | sh4d3sl4y3r_: there's about a gazillion people in kol who'd be glad to give you debian dvds |
| 03:35.28 | abrotman | magyar: syslogd-list-files -s mail.log |
| 03:35.31 | OldMonk | sh4d3sl4y3r_: write the lug-cal mailing list |
| 03:35.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok will do that |
| 03:36.11 | OldMonk | of course, about 75% of them will first ask, ``why don't you install ubuntu?'' first ;) |
| 03:36.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | as usual my answer : i don't use derivatives |
| 03:36.40 | magyar | abrotman: i figured that, but from what I notice, default lenny is installing "rsyslog" instead of "klogd" and "sysklogd" it works by default with the right rotation |
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| 03:37.31 | magyar | abrotman: in anycase, thanks for your input |
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| 03:41.38 | OldMonk | wtf? aptitude safe-upgrade: supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 5.0 |
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| 03:41.55 | abrotman | and if you do a full-upgrade, what comes in ? |
| 03:42.32 | OldMonk | i'm not risking that... IAC there're no packages held back |
| 03:44.08 | OldMonk | laptop:~# aptitude -d full-upgrade ... 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 03:44.30 | OldMonk | what /was/ that anyway? |
| 03:45.49 | abrotman | does the safe-upgrade still dot hat ? |
| 03:46.18 | OldMonk | now there's nothing left to upgrade... let me check anyway |
| 03:46.42 | OldMonk | nope, now it's clean (if you can call doing nothing clean) |
| 03:48.07 | abrotman | well .. problem solved or something |
| 03:48.16 | OldMonk | seems to be an issue with upgrading apt & co -- i presume they'll be the first to get upgraded if there're n packages pending |
| 03:48.44 | OldMonk | abrotman: c'est possible, but i'd still like to know why it happened. did you read vernor vinge's the peace war? |
| 03:49.03 | abrotman | can't imagine that's related to aptitude freaking out |
| 03:49.20 | OldMonk | abrotman: tells you to suspect all problems that solve themselves |
| 03:49.39 | abrotman | equilibrium is bad ? |
| 03:50.04 | OldMonk | equilibrium achieved by the insertion of an unknown, unreplicable factor, yes |
| 03:50.08 | abrotman | you don't know that the problem solved itself, you just don't know how it got solved :) |
| 03:50.25 | abrotman | looks at the Gremlins |
| 03:50.52 | OldMonk | aptitude --purge remove debian-package-gremlins |
| 03:51.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | why is it that except me, everyone shifted to aptitude :S |
| 03:52.02 | OldMonk | because aptitude is almost as good as sex? |
| 03:52.08 | abrotman | !tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about why aptitude |
| 03:52.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 03:52.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm need to change habits now i guess |
| 03:53.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | brb |
| 03:53.48 | OldMonk | so like does aptitude have a --verbose switch? need to upgrade the desktop too, will run it verbose if piossible to pin-point the problem |
| 03:55.33 | squisher | !tell squisher about why aptitude |
| 03:55.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | back |
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| 03:55.48 | abrotman | !tell squisher about selftell |
| 03:55.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
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| 03:56.05 | OldMonk | nope, same issue even with the -v -v -v -v -- unknown debian release |
| 03:56.12 | squisher | heh, makes sense abrotman :) |
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| 03:56.22 | coz_ | hey all |
| 03:56.36 | abrotman | OldMonk: i think you wanted `aptitude -vvvvv moo` |
| 03:56.50 | OldMonk | abrotman: should be the same thing, no? |
| 03:57.00 | abrotman | read the whole command |
| 03:57.05 | coz_ | I asked earlier witho no response and would like to ask again... if any of you knew or worked with Shane Lee who was the maintiner of the debian repository of shame please pm |
| 03:57.21 | abrotman | coz_: you're probably in the wrong place |
| 03:57.28 | coz_ | abrotman, why is that |
| 03:57.35 | OldMonk | aptitude has a moo command? |
| 03:57.38 | abrotman | not many maintainers here |
| 03:57.54 | coz_ | abrotman, is there a dev channel for debian |
| 03:58.14 | abrotman | coz_: there is, but that package doesn't seem to be in debian at all .. why are you looking for him ? |
| 03:58.50 | coz_ | abrotman, well I am not looking for him since he has passed away I am looking for people who knew him we are writign a dedication for him |
| 03:59.33 | coz_ | barring mispellings :) |
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| 03:59.42 | abrotman | Thiemo ? |
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| 04:00.13 | abrotman | try something like lists.debian.org and see if there's an appropriate list perhaps |
| 04:00.18 | craigevil | coz_: your best bet for info about Shame would be the sidux forum or irc |
| 04:00.37 | coz_ | craigevil, I tried sidux and no one was there but let me try again thanks all |
| 04:00.38 | abrotman | oh, there's a #sidux on oftc |
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| 04:00.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmmm |
| 04:00.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | sidux |
| 04:01.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is a good distro |
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| 04:01.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | only if they had a better installer |
| 04:01.07 | abrotman | is offtopic here |
| 04:01.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !offtopic |
| 04:01.22 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 04:01.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | A little that is |
| 04:01.32 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :) |
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| 04:01.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and the channel is not that busy now |
| 04:02.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | btw, who programmed this bot? |
| 04:02.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | you? |
| 04:02.28 | OldMonk | wokeh, probably a postgresql issue |
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| 04:02.36 | tetraedr | hi |
| 04:02.50 | tetraedr | how do I set up framebuffer and its resolution to 1920x1200? |
| 04:03.11 | OldMonk | apparently the postgresql packages can't identify the debian release and are hence complaining |
| 04:03.23 | Lovecraft | tetraedr: Tried using fbset? |
| 04:03.24 | abrotman | OldMonk: sound outdated |
| 04:03.34 | tetraedr | Lovecraft, it says can't open /dev/fb0 :( |
| 04:03.42 | OldMonk | abrotman: the pg packages? |
| 04:03.53 | Lovecraft | tetraedr: Tried using fbset as a prived user? |
| 04:04.00 | tetraedr | Lovecraft, under root |
| 04:04.02 | abrotman | OldMonk: yeah .. you could check the BTS though |
| 04:04.21 | Lovecraft | tetraedr: Its possible you're not using an fb display. |
| 04:04.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman, what do you use in general? testing? or some hybrid |
| 04:04.39 | tetraedr | Lovecraft, yes, thats why I'm asking how do I enable it? |
| 04:04.47 | OldMonk | abrotman: i'm assuming that the bug will get fixed in the next pg packaging, so not acting any further. |
| 04:05.01 | Lovecraft | tetraedr: What videocard do you have? |
| 04:05.10 | tetraedr | Lovecraft, nvidia, drivers installed |
| 04:06.12 | Lovecraft | tetraedr: video=nvidiafb:1920x1200-75@24 |
| 04:06.34 | Lovecraft | As a kernel parameter. |
| 04:06.46 | Lovecraft | Or something similar |
| 04:06.56 | tetraedr | Lovecraft, thanks, as I understand 75 is refresh rate, right? |
| 04:07.02 | Lovecraft | Yes. |
| 04:07.12 | tetraedr | Lovecraft, thanks again, went trying |
| 04:07.19 | Lovecraft | So that may vary, and it may not take the params. |
| 04:07.31 | Lovecraft | fiddle with the knobs. |
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| 04:08.31 | Lovecraft | If its modular, modinfo nvidiafb and see what params it will take. |
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| 04:14.50 | AussieGuy | is there any manuals out there I can read, on managing large amounts of servers at once? |
| 04:14.52 | AussieGuy | like 10 or 20 |
| 04:15.18 | OldMonk | AussieGuy: start with a configuration management guide |
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| 04:16.23 | AussieGuy | I should write one? |
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| 04:17.44 | OldMonk | AussieGuy: IMO there's never enough good documentation :) |
| 04:17.51 | AussieGuy | Ive written user manuals etc, for data entry ppl |
| 04:18.00 | AussieGuy | they help alot, cut down lots of questions |
| 04:18.51 | Lovecraft | Well sheeoot; thats what irc is for .. lots of iffy suggestions from people that know even less than you. |
| 04:19.45 | Lovecraft | Although I have seen some Debian tools that are reputed to help with that. |
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| 04:21.10 | Lovecraft | Day-O! |
| 04:21.12 | squisher | does anyone know an (gui) app where you can select alsa devices defined in the asoundrc? |
| 04:22.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | AussieGuy, nis+ or ldap howto? :) |
| 04:22.57 | squisher | I just need some random app so that I can look up in the sources how to do that :-) |
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| 04:23.25 | OldMonk | squisher: jack had something like that IIRC |
| 04:23.51 | squisher | OldMonk, isn't jack a daemon? |
| 04:24.08 | AussieGuy | not sure nis+ or ldap would help. I manily use rsync to keep the systems identical, so maybe coming up with an rsync protocol for ppl to use would be a good idea |
| 04:24.26 | squisher | ah, it's in python... C would probably be easier, but it might give me a hint anyways. Thanks OldMonk |
| 04:24.30 | OldMonk | AussieGuy: then you definitely need a config management tool like parrot or cfengine |
| 04:24.46 | OldMonk | er, parrot? |
| 04:24.50 | Lovecraft | AussieGuy: Debian has tools to keep machine in sync, config-wise. |
| 04:25.27 | OldMonk | AussieGuy: er, puppet |
| 04:26.10 | OldMonk | AussieGuy: http://lopsa.org/ may be a good place to get started |
| 04:26.49 | Lovecraft | But or course the wheel is so hanfy it gets re-invented many times a day. |
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| 04:27.59 | rewesh | hi |
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| 04:29.28 | rewesh | I got a problem... my /usr partition is 100 % full is there any way to enlarge this partion remotely or mounted in another larger partion..or anything |
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| 04:30.46 | craigevil | !paste |
| 04:30.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 04:32.31 | OldMonk | rewesh: if you have ample space in another partition, you could make an image there, copy /usr over to the image and mount the image. then you can find free (unpartitioned) space on a disk, partition it, make a filesystem, copy the image contents over to the new FS and mount that as /usr |
| 04:33.00 | OldMonk | rewesh: if you already have ample partitionable space on the disk, just copy /usr over and mount it on the new partition. |
| 04:33.12 | OldMonk | rewesh: if your /usr is an lvm, just extend the lvm. |
| 04:33.30 | OldMonk | rewesh: if none of the above are true then you're probably screwed |
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| 04:34.55 | rewesh | how to make an image of /usr |
| 04:35.20 | OldMonk | rewesh: man dd; man mke2fs; man mount; man cp (-a option) |
| 04:35.44 | AussieGuy | ah k cool, puppet sounds like it would save alot of time |
| 04:36.24 | squisher | I'd recommend to use tar instead of cp rewesh |
| 04:36.25 | rewesh | can i do this without rebooting the server ? |
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| 04:36.37 | OldMonk | rewesh: most of it, yes |
| 04:36.41 | Lovecraft | Once upon a time, I made a partition and copied /usr* to it, rmed all of /usr/* and mounted the new partition on /usr |
| 04:36.57 | OldMonk | rewesh: if you create a new partition you may need to reboot for the system to see it |
| 04:37.54 | Lovecraft | Voila: /dev/hda4 on /usr type ext3 (rw) |
| 04:39.41 | rewesh | may be i am asking the question wrong....right now the home partition is very big, can i without creating any partition , point the full /usr partition into the /home partition, something like simlink or such so that the system would think that /usr has increased in space |
| 04:40.08 | OldMonk | rewesh: something like that, except it's not symlinks, it's mount |
| 04:40.30 | OldMonk | er ok, theoretically you can just copy /usr to /home and symlink it too |
| 04:41.03 | OldMonk | but i wouldn't recommend that, for some reason i can't figure out right now |
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| 04:42.17 | rewesh | and is there a simple command to mount the /usr partition into the /home ? |
| 04:42.44 | ramindia | iam new to debian..from redhat moving to debian for installing some tools |
| 04:42.51 | OldMonk | rewesh: is /usr a separate partition right now? |
| 04:42.57 | ramindia | how can i install python related latest version |
| 04:42.59 | rewesh | yes |
| 04:43.00 | ramindia | apt-get using |
| 04:43.31 | OldMonk | rewesh: mount -oremount,ro /usr; cp -a /usr /home; umount /usr; rmdir /usr; ln -s /home/usr / |
| 04:43.34 | Lovecraft | rewesh: man mv. Move it there, rm /usr, and ln -s /home/usr /usr |
| 04:43.45 | OldMonk | rewesh: check before using, not guaranteed to work |
| 04:44.08 | Lovecraft | All the tools required to do it are under /bin |
| 04:44.22 | Lovecraft | So it should work. |
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| 04:44.34 | OldMonk | oh wait, umount /usr after the cp/mv finishes |
| 04:44.49 | Lovecraft | Yeah .. fiddle with the details. |
| 04:45.02 | rewesh | <OldMonk> should i paste your command as is ? |
| 04:45.08 | OldMonk | and be sure to do the umount, rm and symlink in a single command line |
| 04:45.36 | OldMonk | rewesh: if you do that and something breaks it's not my responsibility -- that was an indication, not a precise solution |
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| 04:45.53 | rewesh | OLDMonk...sure do not worry |
| 04:46.19 | rewesh | OldMonk can you retype the command one more time and how to undo it |
| 04:46.59 | OldMonk | rewesh: ok, it /should/ work, but get another opinion first |
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| 04:48.05 | OldMonk | rewesh: seriously, if you aren't comfortable administrating unix from the command line i'd suggest you get someone more experienced to do this for you |
| 04:48.32 | OldMonk | rewesh: because if you get something wrong you can break your system in horrible, painful ways |
| 04:48.37 | wikkedfin | command line rules |
| 04:49.15 | OldMonk | also, i wouldn't recommend /usr as a symlink to /home as a long-term solution to your problem |
| 04:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | a) never write rm -rf / .... |
| 04:49.39 | Lovecraft | rewesh: If /usr is a mountpoint, cp all of /usr/* to /home/usr, rm -rf /usr and ln -s /home/usr / |
| 04:49.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | was trying to write down the command line rules |
| 04:49.56 | OldMonk | Lovecraft: you still need to umount /usr first |
| 04:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | (in case that wasn't obvious) |
| 04:50.11 | wikkedfin | CutMeOwnThroat, why not rm -rf / is a wonderful thing to exec in console |
| 04:50.19 | Lovecraft | Yup you would. |
| 04:50.55 | OldMonk | and i'd also recommend a mount -oremount,ro /usr first just in case |
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| 04:51.15 | Facedown | would rm rf / even run if you're a regular user and not root? |
| 04:51.19 | Lovecraft | umount /usr after rm -rf and before ls -s |
| 04:51.24 | OldMonk | Facedown: it would |
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| 04:51.38 | Facedown | and it wouldn't throw an error? |
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| 04:51.41 | Lovecraft | ln -s that is. |
| 04:51.43 | OldMonk | Facedown: it'd delete all the files and directories the usr has perms to delete |
| 04:51.48 | Facedown | Oh |
| 04:51.53 | k-man | how does one make a rescue disk for a debian system? |
| 04:51.55 | OldMonk | Facedown: and yes, it'd throw lots of errors too |
| 04:52.12 | Mousey | kman burn an ubuntu live cd |
| 04:52.16 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 04:52.25 | OldMonk | Facedown: try it in a xen domU sometime ;) |
| 04:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | OldMonk, ok, I'm willing to give the second opinion... and it is: it /could/ work |
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| 04:53.18 | OldMonk | rewesh: go ahead then and try it |
| 04:53.44 | rewesh | i am just waiting for the other opinon as you said |
| 04:54.03 | OldMonk | rewesh: what CutMeOwnThroat (apparently a pratchett fan) said, if you believe his competence |
| 04:54.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I wouldn't want to do that :) |
| 04:54.15 | OldMonk | myself, i'm wiling to believe anyone who reads pratcherr ;) |
| 04:54.19 | OldMonk | er, pratchett |
| 04:54.41 | k-man | what i mean is, how do i make a rescue disk from a currently working system, for use later if something goes wrong? |
| 04:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | not if he doesn't have a firm opinion on this himself... |
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| 04:55.07 | OldMonk | yeah, i agree he should get someone better acquainted w/ command line to do it |
| 04:55.58 | OldMonk | k-man: will remastersys do what you want? |
| 04:56.33 | OldMonk | k-man: er, wait: mondo rescue |
| 04:56.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, there's a mistake in it :) |
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| 04:56.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think |
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| 04:56.49 | OldMonk | CutMeOwnThroat: there is? do tell... |
| 04:57.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | won't it make a lot of cute little /home/bin /home/lib /home/somethings? |
| 04:57.38 | OldMonk | CutMeOwnThroat: if you cp -a /usr/ then it will. if you cp -a /usr , it won't |
| 04:58.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
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| 04:58.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be |
| 04:58.57 | Mousey | hmm |
| 04:58.57 | OldMonk | actually even then it won't. it'll create top-level subdirs if you cp -a /usr/*, but we don't want to do that |
| 04:59.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that definitely |
| 04:59.08 | Mousey | wth? |
| 04:59.22 | nick_h[litage] | is the "news" user used for anything these days, or can i safely remove it? |
| 04:59.24 | k-man | OldMonk: maybe - looks like a full backup solution where i was looking for something to make a bootable cd from my existing system, so that if something gets stuffed up, i can boot off the cd |
| 04:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems you're right :) |
| 04:59.55 | OldMonk | CutMeOwnThroat: i usually am ;) if i weren't so humble i'd be perfect! |
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| 05:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 05:00.17 | OldMonk | k-man: can't you select which parts of the system to backup onto the dvd? |
| 05:01.22 | Led_Zeppelin | have an email question. At my university we are running debian and our sysadmin has sendmail running on all of our workstations. The workstation's sendmail.cf points to a a smart host. I am not sure why she is running the deamon though. Any thoughts? |
| 05:01.38 | k-man | OldMonk: yeah, ill give it a go |
| 05:01.40 | StanManCan | I'm running in console only and I just installed asterisk and rebooted and now " rtc: lost some interupts at 1024MHz" is filling up my screen.. Any idea what thats from ? |
| 05:02.44 | OldMonk | got to go |
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| 05:02.58 | OldMonk | disappears before rewesh bj0rks his system |
| 05:03.03 | Tramp | Led_Zeppelin: probably because this smarthost accepts your server (but not any client) for relaying |
| 05:03.39 | Led_Zeppelin | Tramp, well, she has the smart host in /etc/sendmail.cf too. The mail is going thru there versus 127.0.0.1:25 |
| 05:03.47 | Led_Zeppelin | you think its by mistake? |
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| 05:04.56 | Tramp | Led_Zeppelin: ah, every workstation points to a "local" (i.e. univerity-owned) smarthost - no, that's ok I'd say. |
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| 05:06.20 | Tramp | Led_Zeppelin: so your chain is local_applicatino->local_sendmail->university_smarthost |
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| 05:08.25 | rewesh | OldMonk , where in your command that the system will know that /usr folder points to the unmounted or deleted /usr partition ? i know there is a simlink , but where taht simlink points to or from ? |
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| 05:09.58 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 05:10.06 | lkthomas | I follow this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/SambaDomainController#head-14ded7d0e8509e070c3685bb98100dd790500424 |
| 05:10.17 | lkthomas | and it does not work on "Join the samba BDC to NT domain" |
| 05:10.20 | lkthomas | anyone have idea why ? |
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| 05:16.25 | multi_io | my printer (Brother HL-2150N with matching Linux driver from Brother) prints every page displaced toward the bottom of the paper (with some parts not being printed at all), UNTIL... |
| 05:16.35 | multi_io | ...I print the CUPS test page on the printer! |
| 05:16.51 | multi_io | after that, the printouts are aligned properly. |
| 05:17.01 | multi_io | (until at some later time it stops working again, initiated by something I don'T know) |
| 05:17.11 | multi_io | how weird is that? |
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| 05:23.49 | tetraedr | I've managed to make framebuffer work, but it can't give 1920x1200, it gives: 2048x1536 :( there are 2 questions: how to I make framebuffer to work on 1920x1200 with nvidias propietary drivers? |
| 05:23.54 | tetraedr | Naisel, ? |
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| 05:28.49 | egcj | is that possible to install debian on a asus P5Q and make it work? if anyone believe that this is possible please explain me |
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| 05:31.20 | tetraedr | egcj, if to be honest, asus linux support suxx, they don't support it at all, only at some specific models. got x50v and it's impossible to set it up there |
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| 05:31.37 | tetraedr | egcj, so asus + linux = impossibility |
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| 05:43.38 | chuckc | i have a 3TB raid5 array that i am setting up LVM on. with out knowing any better, I used the default PE Size when creating the volume group. Now i want to change to size to 64MB but the change does seem to take, nor can i delete the volume group. any advice? |
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| 05:50.56 | Sebboh | Hi. I have a question about SPF records, for email. Is there a good channel to ask that in? Or, how about here? |
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| 05:58.31 | karsten | Sebboh: you might ask in one of the MTA channels if you don't get an answer here. |
| 05:59.22 | Ip_Man | How can i configure acpi settings on my notebook? I just want it to stay working, wile notebook is closed. |
| 05:59.34 | Ip_Man | sorry for my english |
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| 06:02.18 | karsten | Ip_Man: Um, check that it isn't a BIOS setting. |
| 06:02.34 | Ip_Man | it is not |
| 06:02.36 | Ip_Man | cuz |
| 06:02.37 | karsten | Ip_Man: I think there's also a place to configure this possibly in /etc/power/ or /etc/acpi/ but I'm not sure. |
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| 06:02.49 | Ip_Man | when i start up with backtrack linux |
| 06:02.53 | lszyba1 | hello |
| 06:02.53 | Ip_Man | it works |
| 06:02.57 | cahoot | Ip_Man: using gnome? |
| 06:03.04 | Ip_Man | kde |
| 06:03.07 | Ip_Man | 3 |
| 06:03.22 | lszyba1 | I'm trying to lvcreate 100% of the free space...how can I do that? |
| 06:03.47 | cahoot | Ip_Man: I suspect kde has a power manager to config |
| 06:04.10 | Ip_Man | oh kay )) |
| 06:04.11 | Ip_Man | thx |
| 06:04.37 | lszyba1 | lvcreate -L 100%FREE -n files_sata hplinux_sata |
| 06:04.37 | lszyba1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.38 | lszyba1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.11 | lszyba1 | anybody? |
| 06:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, it goes to sleep when closed?! |
| 06:09.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | mine never did that |
| 06:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | could really be a kde thing |
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| 06:14.52 | Panarchy | says Hi |
| 06:15.37 | Panarchy | What's the command to reset GNOME-panel? As I just booted up and I'm getting nothing but the wallpaper |
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| 06:19.43 | Panarchy | What's the command to reset GNOME-panel? As I just booted up and I'm getting nothing but the wallpaper |
| 06:21.08 | newsense | alt+f2 gnome-panel ? |
| 06:23.05 | Panarchy | Thanks |
| 06:23.08 | Panarchy | Just got an error |
| 06:23.29 | newsense | from running gnme-panel ? |
| 06:23.42 | Panarchy | Here is the error: http://i41.tinypic.com/2s93wgm.jpg |
| 06:24.25 | Panarchy | I'm using VMware, so I was able to make that screenshot |
| 06:24.46 | newsense | what version of debian ? |
| 06:25.25 | Panarchy | etch |
| 06:25.31 | Panarchy | With Ubuntu Human theme :P |
| 06:25.46 | Panarchy | just changed to tty2 and did sudo reboot |
| 06:26.17 | Panarchy | So maybe it'll work now |
| 06:27.37 | Panarchy | Once I finished rebooting, I got this: http://i39.tinypic.com/23l1l43.jpg |
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| 06:29.11 | Panarchy | When I rebooted, I got this: http://i39.tinypic.com/23l1l43.jpg followed by this: http://i41.tinypic.com/2s93wgm.jpg |
| 06:29.16 | mick_laptop | anyone know what package supplies termcap? |
| 06:29.41 | mick_laptop | i tried apt-cache search termcap and it gave me unrelated things |
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| 06:29.44 | newsense | Panarchy: might want to ask in #gnome |
| 06:29.57 | mick_laptop | when i stfw - i get references to bo :) |
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| 06:30.27 | mick_laptop | i remember that there was once a termcap-compat |
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| 06:30.55 | \amethyst | mick_laptop: apt-file search libtermcap shows libncurses5-dev |
| 06:31.11 | mick_laptop | ah yes, thanks |
| 06:31.22 | Panarchy | When I rebooted, I got this: http://i39.tinypic.com/23l1l43.jpg followed by this: http://i41.tinypic.com/2s93wgm.jpg followed by this: http://i43.tinypic.com/2sbschl.jpg |
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| 06:32.09 | Panarchy | Now I've got my wallpaper loaded, but GNOME-panel hasn't loaded. |
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| 06:50.14 | otwieracz | Hello. |
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| 06:51.08 | otwieracz | I have Debian Etch, how to make upgrade witch will change kernel to 2.6.25 or newer? |
| 06:51.53 | Panarchy | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:52.06 | Panarchy | though you might need to update your sources.list first |
| 06:52.07 | otwieracz | And I will have newer kernel? |
| 06:52.12 | Panarchy | yes |
| 06:52.24 | Panarchy | once you've updated your sources.list run sudo apt-get update |
| 06:52.26 | otwieracz | What i must update in mirrors list? |
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| 06:52.30 | Panarchy | ten sudo apt-get dist-upgradew |
| 06:52.32 | Panarchy | ten sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:52.38 | Panarchy | then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:52.40 | otwieracz | :] |
| 06:53.23 | otwieracz | I must add mirrors for lenny or sid? |
| 06:53.26 | otwieracz | Or what? |
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| 06:54.07 | Panarchy | Whatever the newest one is that you want to download kernels and programs from |
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| 06:54.26 | Panarchy | I barely use Debian, so I won't be of much help there |
| 06:54.55 | craigevil | otwieracz: you can install 2.6.26 from backports |
| 06:55.15 | otwieracz | craigevil: but how? |
| 06:55.24 | craigevil | !bpo |
| 06:55.24 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 06:55.50 | otwieracz | And I will have new kernel? |
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| 06:58.10 | otwieracz | OK, i'm going to try |
| 06:58.24 | n0nsense | hi there |
| 06:58.42 | n0nsense | again... anyone here who tried to install jabberd2 on lenny? |
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| 06:59.46 | Panarchy | Are new kernels bigger (in MB) than older kernels? |
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| 07:01.18 | Panarchy | Are new kernels bigger (in MB) than older kernels? |
| 07:01.18 | n0nsense | Panarchy: i think that depends from what is compiled into them |
| 07:01.36 | n0nsense | -.- |
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| 07:58.42 | omry | using apt-cacher, I am getting the following error when running apt-get update: W: Failed to fetch http://apt-cacher:3142/debian/dists/lenny/contrib/source/SourcesIndex MD5Sum mismatch |
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| 08:00.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh... why would I suddenly get setpriority: Permission denied. on a renice +12 |
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| 08:00.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would mean the shell must be reniced even further |
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| 08:01.30 | omry | if I connect the repo directly it works, but when I go through apt-cacher it wont. tried to clean the apt-cacher cache dir. didn't help. any idea? |
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| 08:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the error... |
| 08:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | "MD5Sum mismatch" |
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| 08:02.29 | omry | CutMeOwnThroat, if I download the file directly, I can extract it just fine |
| 08:02.34 | omry | (directly from apt-cacher) |
| 08:02.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not the point |
| 08:02.50 | omry | so? |
| 08:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | there might be a separate md5 somewhere |
| 08:03.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it compares that against the file |
| 08:03.09 | omry | true. there might |
| 08:03.12 | omry | any idea where? |
| 08:03.53 | omry | tried to also clean the apt-get cache (apt-get clean) |
| 08:04.06 | omry | maybe it didn't clean everything? |
| 08:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://apt-cacher:3142? |
| 08:04.22 | omry | local apt-cacher server. |
| 08:04.28 | omry | on another machine on the lan. |
| 08:04.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe... never used the thing |
| 08:04.47 | omry | used to work fine for months. |
| 08:04.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... guess you can always strace it |
| 08:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | so did my cns script |
| 08:05.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, guess it's not -x for csh |
| 08:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it IS! |
| 08:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh sweet bash compatibility |
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| 08:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... as I thought it's limit stacksize unlimited |
| 08:06.33 | draeath | Do the kernel source packages include debian patches, or are they unmodified? |
| 08:06.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | but why would that suddenly change |
| 08:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | draeath, contains patches |
| 08:07.05 | draeath | Thanks. Next... |
| 08:07.17 | anewbie | hi there folks |
| 08:07.19 | draeath | I can just grab the /boot/config- for a given kernel package and use that to base from? |
| 08:07.27 | anewbie | what must be the reason to recive that output |
| 08:07.28 | anewbie | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/lenny/dists/main/contrib/source/Sources 404 Not Found |
| 08:07.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... that's what it's for |
| 08:07.43 | anewbie | is there any problem with the mirrors or ? i have problem with sources.list |
| 08:07.45 | Mousey | i'm gonna guess http://ftp.debian.org/debian/lenny/dists/main/contrib/source/Sources wasn't found |
| 08:07.54 | draeath | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks. my further questions belong in the kernel channel ;) |
| 08:07.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !prize Mousey |
| 08:07.54 | dpkg | gives Mousey a beer. |
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| 08:07.58 | Mousey | wee!!! |
| 08:08.05 | omry | CutMeOwnThroat, ah, found a work around: removed the problematic soruce from apt-get, updated, and added it back. |
| 08:08.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | omry, weird |
| 08:08.43 | omry | CutMeOwnThroat, very. I did do some other things in the mean time like cleaning apt-cacher cache dir, so maybe it's a combination of things. |
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| 08:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | anewbie, ever pointed your browswer towards http://ftp.debian.org/debian/lenny/dists/main/contrib/source/Sources dear sir? |
| 08:09.09 | anewbie | ... |
| 08:09.20 | lkthomas | guys |
| 08:09.21 | lkthomas | /usr/sbin/groupadd 'Print Operators' |
| 08:09.21 | lkthomas | groupadd: Print Operators is not a valid group name |
| 08:09.28 | lkthomas | why I can't contain space on group adding ? |
| 08:10.01 | omry | maybe you just can't. |
| 08:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about not putting capital letters into a group as well |
| 08:10.17 | Mousey | try ubuntu |
| 08:10.18 | anewbie | CutMeOwnThroat no found |
| 08:10.19 | anewbie | :D |
| 08:10.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I know the answer! |
| 08:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | because it wasn't programmed to contain spaces!!!!123 |
| 08:10.33 | anewbie | this means that the problem is not in my eee |
| 08:10.52 | lkthomas | I am trying to push NT4 domain controller group to samba |
| 08:10.57 | lkthomas | and end up like that |
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| 08:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, what... and I don't get a prize? |
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| 08:11.39 | Mousey | !prize CutMeOwnThroat |
| 08:11.39 | dpkg | gives CutMeOwnThroat a yogi pin. |
| 08:11.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray! |
| 08:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | now... it doesn't show that I'm extremely tired, does it? |
| 08:12.14 | Mousey | IRC doesn't have status lines |
| 08:12.16 | omry | a yogi pin? I want one! |
| 08:12.37 | Mousey | omry keep playing for fabulous awards and prizes |
| 08:12.53 | omry | :) |
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| 08:13.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf |
| 08:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | why can I do ulimit -s unlimited in bash and it removes the limit of 8192kb, but when I call the csh script it gives me "setpriority: Permission denied." |
| 08:15.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | does that make any sense? |
| 08:15.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | CutMeOwnThroat, no, not really |
| 08:16.48 | yojimbo-san | I've installed lenny today, / comes from LVM using RAID1'd SATA devices as the pv. I want to install Xen, so apparently I need grub ... but grub-setup says "Core image is too big for embedding". What should I be doing? :-) |
| 08:17.23 | Ip_Man | i want my notebook not to get to sleep mode, when i close it, what should i edit in /etc/acpi ? |
| 08:17.32 | Ip_Man | \= |
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| 08:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... i figured it out |
| 08:20.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 08:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !renicesmite me |
| 08:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... wait for it |
| 08:23.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ip_Man, you'll have to figure what makes it go to sleep mode automatically |
| 08:24.02 | Ip_Man | uhm |
| 08:24.21 | Ip_Man | in kde i configured this out with kpowersave |
| 08:24.23 | Ip_Man | but |
| 08:24.28 | Mousey | huh? |
| 08:24.35 | Ip_Man | if i switch to console from kdm |
| 08:24.41 | Ip_Man | with ctrl+alt+# |
| 08:24.50 | Ip_Man | it goes to sleep mode |
| 08:24.56 | Ip_Man | when i close it |
| 08:24.57 | Mousey | ctrl-alt-shift-3? |
| 08:25.04 | Ip_Man | (sry for my english btw) |
| 08:25.23 | Ip_Man | ctrl+alt+f1 for ex |
| 08:25.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about NOT going to the console before closing the laptop? |
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| 08:26.02 | Ip_Man | when i need to save as much power, as i can |
| 08:26.09 | Ip_Man | i have to go to console |
| 08:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 08:26.15 | Ip_Man | am i wrong? |
| 08:26.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't matter |
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| 08:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps it does, I'm not god |
| 08:26.52 | Mousey | it's more about cpufreq if you'r tryna save battery |
| 08:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'd bet small sums of money that it doesn't |
| 08:27.17 | Mousey | and none of this p4_clockmod nonsense |
| 08:27.27 | Ip_Man | yep, i also switch my freq to 600 Mhz |
| 08:27.31 | Mousey | you need full on for real acpi_cpufreq goodness |
| 08:27.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | the backlight goes off when you close the laptop - why should it matter what it shows |
| 08:27.47 | Mousey | well as long as it's better than a celeron-M |
| 08:27.55 | Ip_Man | besides i don't need wm to run kismet and gpsd |
| 08:28.04 | Mousey | and it's actually SpeedStep or PowerNow, then yah, you're saving battery |
| 08:28.25 | Mousey | kismet and gpsd is using the wifi radio. that's a batterysuck |
| 08:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | wlan needs battery though |
| 08:28.34 | Mousey | so cpufreq doesn't buy you much |
| 08:28.39 | Ip_Man | i know :P |
| 08:28.51 | Ip_Man | i need it to work as long |
| 08:28.53 | Ip_Man | as i can |
| 08:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and are we talking about some illegal data collecting with a laptop on battery here? |
| 08:28.55 | Ip_Man | thats all |
| 08:29.05 | Mousey | get a battery with MOAR CELLS |
| 08:29.09 | Ip_Man | collecting data on itself is not illegal |
| 08:29.20 | Mousey | rainbow tables man |
| 08:29.22 | Ip_Man | i have not enough money to buy it |
| 08:29.22 | Mousey | save some time |
| 08:29.27 | Ip_Man | wt6f |
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| 08:29.36 | Ip_Man | i just need to edit /etc/acpi |
| 08:30.09 | Ip_Man | i don't need rainbowtables on my laptop |
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| 08:30.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends... there are some guys who collected lots of mp3s and got sued |
| 08:30.21 | Mousey | http://rainbowtables.shmoo.com/ |
| 08:30.26 | Ip_Man | i just want to make a pretty good map with wlan APs |
| 08:30.30 | Mousey | oh |
| 08:30.35 | Ip_Man | damn.. |
| 08:30.47 | Mousey | srsly, get a car inverter then |
| 08:30.51 | Ip_Man | i know what is rainbow tables |
| 08:30.54 | Mousey | they're cheap |
| 08:30.57 | Ip_Man | i have no car |
| 08:30.59 | Ip_Man | \= |
| 08:31.06 | Mousey | a monkey and a grinder! |
| 08:31.15 | Ip_Man | (: |
| 08:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 08:31.15 | Mousey | generate power while you walk! |
| 08:31.26 | Mousey | monkey pickpockets people who steal to pay for beer |
| 08:31.32 | Mousey | it's green energy! |
| 08:31.35 | alcohol | CutMeOwnThroat: how many? :< |
| 08:32.02 | Ip_Man | and can't you just help me? (: |
| 08:32.12 | Mousey | we did |
| 08:32.14 | Mousey | oh |
| 08:32.15 | Mousey | i know |
| 08:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | alcohol, 1 |
| 08:32.21 | Mousey | lower the wifi's TX power |
| 08:32.30 | alcohol | CutMeOwnThroat: that's not a lot. |
| 08:32.32 | Mousey | to 10mW from 100mW or whatever |
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| 08:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | alcohol, everyone has to start out small at some time |
| 08:32.50 | Ip_Man | i just don't need wm |
| 08:32.58 | Ip_Man | when i'm running kismet |
| 08:32.59 | Mousey | ratpoison! |
| 08:33.08 | Mousey | WM's don't use battery, they use memory |
| 08:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
| 08:33.24 | Ip_Man | whatever -_- |
| 08:33.28 | Mousey | memory that'll be using your battery whether you're using the memory or not |
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| 08:33.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's like saying "I don't need water when I visit my bank" |
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| 08:33.57 | Mousey | Ed Zachary!! |
| 08:34.02 | Ip_Man | and i don't need wm to run kismet |
| 08:34.04 | Ip_Man | \= |
| 08:34.15 | alcohol | what is kismet? |
| 08:34.15 | Mousey | and wm hasn nothing to do with battery! |
| 08:34.22 | alcohol | isn't that some geeky wireless h4x0r tool? :< |
| 08:34.24 | Ip_Man | i just want everything to be configured well |
| 08:34.27 | Mousey | kismet is a wifi ap info collector |
| 08:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | alcohol, yeah... only evil wlan crackers use that |
| 08:34.50 | Mousey | configuring things well also has nothing to do with battery life |
| 08:35.00 | Mousey | maybe i don't understand your question |
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| 08:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 08:35.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | this conversation went well with "rollin" from limp bizkit... "pump that shit... rollin rollin rollin" |
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| 08:36.04 | Mousey | uh |
| 08:36.14 | Ip_Man | the q: My laptop goes to sleep mode, when i close it. What should i do to make it not to go to sleep mode, when i close it? |
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| 08:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, indeed... but my player reverted to music afterwards |
| 08:36.33 | Ip_Man | \= |
| 08:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | give it coffee! |
| 08:36.41 | Ip_Man | (((: |
| 08:36.42 | Mousey | rename lid.sh |
| 08:36.48 | Ip_Man | thx |
| 08:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, that's in the same dir as nosmoke.exe? |
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| 08:37.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | will try if his laptop also automatically goes to sleep mode on a console at home |
| 08:37.51 | Ip_Man | fixed -_- |
| 08:37.59 | xoz_ | Ip_Man: check acpi events |
| 08:38.03 | Ip_Man | it ok |
| 08:38.07 | Ip_Man | i renamed it |
| 08:38.18 | Mousey | aah, but was it effective? |
| 08:38.22 | Ip_Man | yep |
| 08:38.31 | Mousey | enjoys teaching bad habits |
| 08:38.34 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 08:38.40 | Ip_Man | huh |
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| 08:39.12 | Mousey | Ip_Man: my advice to you is the same for everyone; there's a million ways to skin a cat.. not all of them are good ideas.. =) |
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| 08:39.47 | Ip_Man | is it good to skin cats? |
| 08:40.00 | Ip_Man | (i rofl, my english is bad) |
| 08:40.03 | Mousey | depends on how much your spouse likes sweaters |
| 08:40.08 | craigevil | yes how else can you make sweet and sour chicken |
| 08:40.53 | yojimbo-san | Ip_Man: sounds like it's APM you should be lookin at, not acpi ... http://www.osnews.com/story/10275/Portable_Freedom_with_Debian |
| 08:41.03 | Ip_Man | its already fixed |
| 08:41.11 | Ip_Man | everythings cool |
| 08:41.21 | xoz_ | gives yojimbo-san a time machine :) |
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| 08:42.05 | yojimbo-san | :-) I was googling his q while trying to fix my grub problem ... |
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| 08:42.19 | Ip_Man | apm was before acpi i guess |
| 08:42.23 | Ip_Man | -_- |
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| 08:42.36 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 08:43.42 | simonrvn | 3 times already since moving to lenny, has apache been wedged. totally zombie, and totally hogging the ports. %(*^@%(%$#@@%@!%@%!@%& |
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| 08:44.27 | alcohol | lies |
| 08:44.34 | achilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.54 | alcohol | nat = wet |
| 08:45.12 | achilles | hmm ? |
| 08:45.15 | simonrvn | NAT == network address translation. the internal network one. |
| 08:45.29 | simonrvn | ignore alcohol, s/he's probably drunk. |
| 08:45.34 | alcohol | nat = wet in dutch |
| 08:45.35 | alcohol | :( |
| 08:45.44 | achilles | simonrvn, heheh |
| 08:45.55 | simonrvn | alcohol: i'm just kidding :) |
| 08:46.01 | alcohol | :p |
| 08:46.21 | achilles | simonrvn, so when somebody ask me, what is the NAT IP , I tell him the private ip address which is the gateway , not the public IP address |
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| 08:46.36 | achilles | right ? |
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| 08:46.45 | Ip_Man | priv8 |
| 08:46.46 | Ip_Man | -_- |
| 08:46.54 | achilles | :) |
| 08:47.06 | achilles | thanks guys |
| 08:47.10 | simonrvn | uh, gateway would be the machine that the nat "lives" behind. |
| 08:47.20 | myeggo | hello, i have a C project designed basicly for windows, i dont have configure script and nothing, can i still compile that project in debian? |
| 08:47.25 | simonrvn | s/nat/natted machines/ |
| 08:47.40 | achilles | ah |
| 08:47.49 | Ip_Man | is behind nut |
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| 08:48.20 | yojimbo-san | simonrvn: apache on lenny seems to have problems with resources, especially under load; try reducing the number of workers as low as you can ... |
| 08:49.23 | simonrvn | yojimbo-san: thanks. and yeh, it was under load, like 3-6 avg./1 min |
| 08:49.33 | Thick_McRunfast | Hey all, Is there a kernel arg equivalent of "netcfg/dhcp_timeout string 60"? |
| 08:50.10 | Thick_McRunfast | My NIC takes about 30 seconds to come online, and I'd like to preseed my debian installation from a local webserver |
| 08:50.41 | Thick_McRunfast | normally I'd just say interface=eth0 and be done with it, but unfortunately this is not making it easy |
| 08:50.52 | simonrvn | no, that's passed to d-i, it's not a kernel arg per se. |
| 08:51.04 | Mousey | change your name, you're confusing people |
| 08:51.28 | Mousey | Bob_Johnson: just hit ctrl-c |
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| 08:51.32 | Mousey | it's not a kernel issue for dhcp |
| 08:51.34 | Mousey | macfag |
| 08:52.02 | Bob_Johnson | Mousey: Bah. |
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| 08:52.16 | vaq | http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 - Where do I find the source for this image? (Including the xen patches?) ? |
| 08:52.18 | Mousey | man dhclient |
| 08:52.35 | Bob_Johnson | Mousey: You don't seem to understand my question |
| 08:52.36 | Mousey | also ctrl-c during the DHCPREQUESTs |
| 08:52.36 | simonrvn | !tell Mousey -about gay |
| 08:53.16 | jogla | Where can i find the testing net-install image? |
| 08:53.35 | Mousey | simonrvn: clearly you've never heard of 4chan. and it's ok. Bob_Johnson -is- gay, so it's not really an insult =) |
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| 08:53.55 | liable | Bob_Johnson: see the install guide, i dont think you can preseed that particular argument, but check to make sure |
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| 08:54.02 | bjorkintosh | how's it that apt-get install gmake doesn't work? |
| 08:54.06 | Bob_Johnson | Mousey: Sigh |
| 08:54.17 | liable | Bob_Johnson: if you are there for the install, you can just run dhclient in vt2 |
| 08:54.26 | Bob_Johnson | liable: Fair enough. I'll figure something out |
| 08:55.03 | liable | !tell jogla -about d-i |
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| 08:55.27 | xoz_ | bjorkintosh: no gmake |
| 08:55.44 | bjorkintosh | eh? |
| 08:55.48 | bjorkintosh | why not? |
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| 08:56.01 | xoz_ | bjorkintosh: try make |
| 08:56.07 | xoz_ | !info make |
| 08:56.29 | bjorkintosh | gmake works better i think. |
| 08:56.41 | xoz_ | bjorkintosh: make in debian is GNU make |
| 08:56.44 | vaq | http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 - Where do I find the source for this image? (Including the xen patches?) ? |
| 08:56.50 | dpkg | make: (The GNU version of the "make" utility.), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.81-5 (sid), Packaged size: 372 kB, Installed size: 968 kB |
| 08:56.57 | xoz_ | bjorkintosh: see? |
| 08:57.12 | Mousey | vaq linux-source--2.6.18-6 |
| 08:57.13 | bjorkintosh | oh |
| 08:57.14 | Mousey | -- |
| 08:57.25 | vaq | Mousey: It doesnt include the xen patches |
| 08:57.53 | Mousey | xen isn't included? |
| 08:57.59 | xoz_ | bjorkintosh: next time, use bash completion or apt-cache search <string> before you complain why a package is not there.... or try apt-file search <string> |
| 08:58.08 | vaq | Mousey: no |
| 08:58.10 | simonrvn | Mousey: yes i've heard of 4chan, and i didn't know that about Bob_Johnson |
| 08:58.36 | Bob_Johnson | simonrvn: Don't mind Mousey, he likes to say things. |
| 08:58.41 | bjorkintosh | apt-get said 'no workey' when i asked. |
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| 08:58.59 | simonrvn | Bob_Johnson: i don't doubt that. |
| 08:59.13 | xoz_ | bjorkintosh: search it first before you assume it is there...maybe it has differnt name... |
| 08:59.26 | xoz_ | !search |
| 08:59.26 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
| 08:59.46 | bjorkintosh | so gmake is make. |
| 08:59.46 | bjorkintosh | what if i wanted plain old make? |
| 08:59.46 | bjorkintosh | what would i call it then? |
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| 09:00.09 | xoz_ | bjorkintosh: ^^^ use your common sense and some pcakge management search commands |
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| 09:00.34 | bjorkintosh | my common sense? i didn't know i had a share in it! |
| 09:00.41 | simonrvn | ah damn, yojimbo-san left. i guess i'll go see the bts for that thing about apache. |
| 09:01.45 | xoz_ | bjorkintosh: /msg dpkg search |
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| 09:02.17 | bjorkLinux | that was fun. |
| 09:02.25 | bjorkLinux | setting the date correctly caused X to crash. |
| 09:02.33 | Mousey | things! |
| 09:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | bjorkLinux, simple, you wouldn't want that |
| 09:04.23 | bjorkLinux | gmake isn't working why wouldn't i want ye olde make then? |
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| 09:05.11 | xoz_ | or try remake instead of make |
| 09:05.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | liar, liar |
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| 09:05.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | because sco owns the original make |
| 09:05.55 | bjorkLinux | oh fuck that! |
| 09:05.59 | bjorkLinux | fine. |
| 09:06.01 | Mousey | things |
| 09:06.02 | bjorkLinux | gmake it is :D |
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| 09:08.39 | vimpulse | hi all. I am trying to install the non-Free nvidia drivers on Lenny. But dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not prompt me to choose a graphics driver as as http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-abcff7ad4e50d7724ecc0dcd467a2232648281a5 claims it will. How do I force Debian to load nvidia instead of nv? Do I do it by editing my xorg.conf the manual way? |
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| 09:09.12 | lostson | vimpulse: install nvidia-xconfig |
| 09:09.21 | vimpulse | lostson: so the wiki is out of date? |
| 09:09.26 | lostson | possibly |
| 09:09.44 | lostson | you can edit xorg.conf by hand if you wish as well just change nv to nvidia |
| 09:10.18 | vimpulse | lostson: i will use nvidia-xconfig, it is 4:10am here and it will reduce my chances of making a mistake. |
| 09:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | if there still is an xorg.conf |
| 09:10.41 | lostson | vimpulse: ok its 3am here and i am gonna go make some coffee |
| 09:10.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... only 3:10 here |
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| 09:12.25 | vimpulse | lostson: ok thanks :) |
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| 09:12.55 | vimpulse | lostson: btw, would you like some unsolicited advice? if it is 3am, you should not help others on IRC. it is more important that you go to sleep. |
| 09:12.59 | vimpulse | :) |
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| 09:13.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what, and miss all the fun? |
| 09:14.24 | vimpulse | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. you too btw :) |
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| 09:22.58 | lostson | vimpulse: got to sleep i just got up |
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| 09:25.20 | whiteplane | hi. I wonder if one of my servers was vulnerable to any (known) user-to-root exploit. How can I test? perhaps some automatic tool to try known exploits? |
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| 09:28.11 | jogla | liable: Thank you |
| 09:28.18 | liable | no worries |
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| 09:28.25 | n0nsense | whiteplane: maybe with a forkbomb? :-D |
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| 09:29.15 | jabis | is back |
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| 09:30.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell jabis -about away |
| 09:31.18 | jogla | liable: can i install it via usb-stick too? There's this link to other media, but i'm a bit lost |
| 09:31.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb install |
| 09:31.52 | dpkg | from memory, usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 09:31.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
| 09:32.15 | liable | jogla: yep, see the install guide for how to install via usb |
| 09:32.24 | liable | !ig |
| 09:32.24 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r6 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 09:32.25 | jabis | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't have any settings in this bitchy client of mine, it only chooses to do so on #freenode |
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| 09:33.11 | cast | jabis: irssi is a good client |
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| 09:34.28 | jabis | cast, ya I know, just have'n't had the time to install yet, so going with ksirc or whatever |
| 09:34.32 | jogla | thanks again |
| 09:34.56 | simonrvn | man, with this shit i've been through for for the etch->lenny migration, i'm almost tempted to run sid on my server just so i don't have to locally build stuff anymore. |
| 09:35.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start an irc client war |
| 09:35.05 | dpkg | telnet hostname 6667 is eleet |
| 09:35.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you did? |
| 09:36.01 | simonrvn | yeh, until you realize you quickly get tired of sending a ping every few minutes |
| 09:36.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny... I had no problems at all etch->lenny... but getting rid of these last sarge packages was hell |
| 09:36.09 | simonrvn | no i haven't. |
| 09:36.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, then it's ok |
| 09:38.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I thought you had |
| 09:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | nearly |
| 09:38.29 | Ip_Man | i was configuring all the stuff and now, when i start up, i get return: 24: Illegal number: Starting |
| 09:38.31 | Ip_Man | messages |
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| 09:38.42 | Ip_Man | whats wrong? |
| 09:38.46 | simonrvn | i have, in the past, run sid on that box. i don't recommend it for anyone sane. |
| 09:38.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not 42 :) |
| 09:38.56 | simonrvn | not as a server os |
| 09:39.07 | Ip_Man | and how can i fix it? |
| 09:39.34 | simonrvn | that's really vague |
| 09:39.38 | whiteplane | why metasploit is not packed for debian |
| 09:39.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone who doesn't know what "42" is :( |
| 09:39.59 | simonrvn | i do ;) |
| 09:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | everyone does... but him |
| 09:40.52 | simonrvn | whiteplane: RFP it then, if it really isn't. /msg dpkg search |
| 09:40.56 | Ip_Man | shame of me |
| 09:41.12 | Ip_Man | i'm nnewbie to linux |
| 09:41.34 | simonrvn | has nothing to do with the linux kernel |
| 09:42.24 | simonrvn | looks up at the toolbar clock and sees 4:42 |
| 09:42.31 | Ip_Man | i just tried to follow manuals wile configuring debian on eee pc \= |
| 09:42.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ip_Man, read this book(s): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Novels - it has nothing to do with your problem whatsoever, but you will feel better |
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| 09:44.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ip_Man, you local library might have it and it has been translated in over 30 languages, so there is no excuse! |
| 09:45.07 | simonrvn | 30, of several thousand ;). |
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| 09:45.31 | Ip_Man | i'll read it right after i'll figure out what happened |
| 09:45.43 | simonrvn | i bet there isn't one in my ancestors' languages ;). |
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| 09:46.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, that will only matter after you figured out about that necromancy thingy, so it's of no relevance |
| 09:46.22 | unitypunk | is there a default user name and password for the " shared folders" under administration |
| 09:47.06 | jabis | CutMeOwnThroat: happen to know how to get rid the autoaw-message in ksirc? :) |
| 09:47.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, it would have been more appropriate to say it has been translated in over 42 languages, though :) |
| 09:47.28 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:47.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jabis, no idea |
| 09:47.53 | jabis | googling |
| 09:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jabis, it's not really as if I care... I'm so tired, the matches under my eylids keep snapping |
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| 09:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | tries gas lighters |
| 09:49.34 | unitypunk | anyone? |
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| 09:52.54 | cytr0n | hi.. |
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| 09:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ip_Man, uh... is that Debian?! See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052256 |
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| 09:56.08 | Ip_Man | already reading |
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| 09:56.31 | Ip_Man | looks like it happened because of splashy and dash replace |
| 09:56.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 09:56.53 | lxsameer | hi i have a local repository that contain etch and lenny package . can i delete the etch parts , i mean that can i clean repo from eth ? i just want lenny |
| 09:57.34 | amitz | Ip_Man: dude, that film is ok at the beginning but a bit disappointing at the end :-) |
| 09:57.39 | stuarticus | Hi everyone, I am tryin to chown a usb dribe /media/usbdisk so I can ftp in to it, I get permission denied in the logs when I try at the mo, but chown -hR ftpuser:ftpuser /media/usbdisk/folder isn't worrking, any idea why? |
| 09:57.59 | Ip_Man | amitz (: |
| 09:58.12 | cytr0n | yes u can delete the etch package lxsameer |
| 09:58.25 | Ip_Man | i like the scene, when he kicks japanese asses |
| 09:58.38 | Ip_Man | (: |
| 09:58.43 | Ip_Man | 1 vs 10 -_- |
| 09:58.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuarticus, it's vfat? |
| 09:58.49 | Ip_Man | wing-chun mastah |
| 09:58.49 | stuarticus | yes |
| 09:59.00 | simonrvn | ftp to an usb stick? o_O |
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| 09:59.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was already the answer :) |
| 09:59.11 | stuarticus | fat32, external drive |
| 09:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are no users on vfat |
| 09:59.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and no permissions |
| 09:59.31 | amitz | Ip_Man: that part is too surreal, in my not so humble opinion :-) |
| 09:59.36 | lxsameer | cytr0n, can you tell me how ? |
| 09:59.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | man mount then /vfat |
| 09:59.47 | Ip_Man | it is just a movie |
| 09:59.51 | stuarticus | So it's not possible :-( |
| 09:59.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure is |
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| 10:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the mount manpage... you need some mount options |
| 10:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 10:00.33 | Ip_Man | this crap happened to me after apt-get remove splashy |
| 10:00.37 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 10:00.38 | stuarticus | thx |
| 10:00.40 | Ip_Man | \= |
| 10:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you should also go to sleep sometimes! |
| 10:01.24 | simonrvn | yes, i know. i'm waiting on my kernel build to finish so i can install it, then reboot so i can kill 2 birds with one stone. |
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| 10:01.40 | simonrvn | i.e., that, and unwedge apache |
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| 10:01.53 | amitz | Ip_Man: it is a good movie, but the patriotic message really screwed the ending.. The patriotism make it too surreal. |
| 10:02.02 | simonrvn | i have 10 apache processes stuck in memory, occupying ports. |
| 10:02.06 | Ip_Man | china, communism |
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| 10:02.21 | cytr0n | lxsameer, open the file /etc/apt/sources.list and delete or better comment the etch sources out by using # |
| 10:02.24 | Ip_Man | like in russia 20-30 years ago |
| 10:02.37 | Ip_Man | everything should be patriotic |
| 10:02.39 | Ip_Man | -_- |
| 10:02.45 | cytr0n | lxsameer, do u have the lenny sources there? |
| 10:03.06 | amitz | well, at the least I can appreciate that so... |
| 10:03.10 | Ip_Man | i think its pretty funny |
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| 10:04.14 | lxsameer | cytr0n, i know this one but i mean that a local repo mixed up with lenny and etch a dir with each lenny and etch package |
| 10:05.04 | cytr0n | i can give u my source.list if u want... |
| 10:05.33 | Ip_Man | seems like i have to update initramfs, but there is no ability to boot from cd\dvd to chroot, is there some live usb version of debian? |
| 10:05.56 | Ip_Man | (sorry for my english again) |
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| 10:08.26 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: here's me going to sleep. g'night |
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| 10:11.49 | stuarticus | So I want to use uid= and gid= when mounting? |
| 10:12.05 | jelly-home | stuarticus: very likely, yes. |
| 10:12.09 | stuarticus | thx |
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| 10:12.30 | Akuw | hi |
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| 10:12.40 | Akuw | how can install pigin using repository? |
| 10:12.56 | Akuw | i am on Etch |
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| 10:14.06 | cast | Akuw: backports.org |
| 10:14.47 | ronr | I got a machine here that often crashes (X just goes blank and the machine responds to nothing but a hard reset), I can't find any messages in the logs (so I guess the crash prevents debian from writing the problems to the logs), any clues how I can figure out what is happening? |
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| 10:15.50 | Akuw | but pidgin is non-free? is not GPL? |
| 10:15.54 | cast | ronr: does it happen without x? |
| 10:16.05 | cast | Akuw: its just new. its called gaim in etch. |
| 10:16.30 | ronr | cast: I don't know, someone is using the machine all the time and working in console is not an option (the machine crashes about once a day, sitting down and just waiting for it is not an option) |
| 10:17.02 | cast | couldnt test over night? or weekend? |
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| 10:17.36 | ronr | cast: we can try, afaik the machine never crashed when it was kept idle though, but it's definitely worth trying |
| 10:18.35 | cast | ronr: id start it up, compiling a kernel 50 times or something. |
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| 10:19.42 | max_ | a quick one, i dont wont samba to start on boot where shall i look for conf |
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| 10:20.38 | draeath | Wow... lenny release is right around the corner! |
| 10:20.53 | ronr | cast: I'll try that, thx |
| 10:21.42 | rvsjoen | max_ : sysv-rc-conf, rcconf, update-rd.d , take your pick (or just remove the symlinks in /etd/rcX.d where X is your runlevel |
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| 10:26.10 | draeath | Well, lenny has been running on my workstation here for a month, not a single issue noted (that I was aware of). For what that's worth. |
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| 10:27.38 | g00se | What must i do to ensure that X is forwarded correctly when i'm in via ssh AND chrooted? |
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| 10:30.05 | nargon | can anyone tell me how to force eth0 down on boot? |
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| 10:30.27 | bolt-work | ifconfig eth0 down? |
| 10:30.39 | nargon | i mean automatically |
| 10:31.00 | bolt-work | !run at startup |
| 10:31.00 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 10:31.08 | nargon | i don't have anything specified in /etc/network/interfaces regarding eth0 however it pops up when the system boots |
| 10:31.12 | bolt-work | sure you want it to go up in the first place though? |
| 10:31.21 | nargon | i dont' want it to come up at all |
| 10:31.52 | bolt-work | try specifying it in /etc/network/interfaces and tell it not to go up there |
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| 10:32.12 | nargon | bolt-work what can i use to specify it down in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 10:32.13 | alcohol | yeah, add noauto |
| 10:32.15 | alcohol | or something like that |
| 10:32.20 | mquin | nargon: do you have nework-manager installed? |
| 10:32.21 | nargon | noauto eth0 ? |
| 10:32.34 | alcohol | or wait, was that for mounts? |
| 10:32.34 | alcohol | x: |
| 10:32.40 | alcohol | confused himself now |
| 10:32.51 | nargon | mquin no these are some production blade servers everything is good but that eth0 keeps popping up.. |
| 10:33.01 | nargon | oddly when that interface is up I have packet delays on some of the other interfaces |
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| 10:33.35 | nargon | since this is a voip server i need no delay and eth0 being up seems to be a culprit even though it has no ip assigned to it.. |
| 10:33.36 | nargon | its odd |
| 10:33.43 | mquin | n-m will attempt to configure all your interfaces if it's running, so I'd check that |
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| 10:34.18 | bolt-work | if you really want to brute force it, blacklist the module for it (given the other network devices use another module) |
| 10:34.21 | mquin | nargon: is eth0 being assigned an address, or is it just in an 'up' state with no address? |
| 10:34.57 | bolt-work | nargon: but like others have said, try noauto in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:34.59 | nargon | mquin its just in an up state with no address.. i'm not using the interface for anything either |
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| 10:35.08 | nargon | ok i'm looking for syntax on noauto |
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| 10:38.04 | nargon | man interfaces /noauto yeilded nothing |
| 10:38.21 | mquin | nargon: that's kinda odd, interfaces don't usually come up on their own unless ifup or network-manger does it. A possible workaround would be to create a 'manual' entry in /etc/network/interfaces that just sets the interface down, but that seems a bit hacky |
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| 10:38.50 | jelly-home | nargon: one just removes the "auto eth0" line or "allow-hotplug eth0" if they exist |
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| 10:39.17 | nargon | jelly-home auto eth0 did not exist rebooting.. |
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| 10:39.33 | nargon | tried: noauto eth0 .. |
| 10:39.48 | Sazpaimon | why does openssh-server require libgtk2.0-dev to be built, I don't want any X libraries installed but I want a newer openssh server |
| 10:40.19 | _stack | maybe a --witout-x option exists |
| 10:40.20 | jelly-home | nargon: pastebin your interfaces file |
| 10:40.31 | _stack | *without |
| 10:40.40 | Sazpaimon | _stack, not for apt-get build |
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| 10:40.48 | cast | Sazpaimon: does aptitude -R install openssh-server -s still want x? |
| 10:40.48 | Sazpaimon | im just gonna run dpkg-buildpackage with -d |
| 10:41.07 | Sazpaimon | cast, i wanted to backport it |
| 10:41.10 | mquin | iface eth0 inet manu~. |
| 10:41.14 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: debian packages include build dependencies for all their binary packages. Some parts (ssh-askpass?) are GUI. |
| 10:41.26 | cast | ah. |
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| 10:41.52 | _stack | if you want to backport I think you must adapt to the debian packaging choice...so include X support (to export x11) |
| 10:41.57 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: you can install the build dependencies, build, and remove them afterwards |
| 10:42.08 | Sazpaimon | jelly-home, yeah I guess I'll do that then |
| 10:42.21 | Sazpaimon | it installs a crapload of xlibs that i didn't want, i'll just remove them after building |
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| 10:42.43 | _stack | but, isn't there a way to specify custom configure option to buildpackage? |
| 10:43.19 | _stack | modifyng the rules file it could be a way , by the way :) |
| 10:43.45 | Sazpaimon | yeah but it'd just be easier to play it safe and just satisfy the dependencies |
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| 10:44.37 | jelly-home | right; that usually leads to least amount of surprise |
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| 10:45.09 | Sazpaimon | man 50MB of packages just to do that though |
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| 10:46.44 | nargon | jelly-home http://pastebin.com/m64519e77 thats my interfaces and ifconfig |
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| 10:51.10 | mquin | nargon: this is ugly, but it might work - add to your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:51.12 | mquin | auto eth0 |
| 10:51.13 | mquin | iface eth0 inet manual up ifconfig eth0 down |
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| 10:51.33 | nargon | mquin thanks i'll try it |
| 10:51.40 | mquin | (gah, pastefail - put a return between 'manual' and 'up' |
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| 10:59.51 | nargon | mquin: still comes up... |
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| 11:01.27 | mquin | nargon: that would suggest that something is setting it up later in the boot process - you're either going to have to take a very close look at what you're running and find what might be doing it, or have something run right at the end of the init process to take it down |
| 11:01.31 | nargon | i noticed durring boot "starting MTA" comes up and then tries to bring eth0 up then fails |
| 11:02.38 | nargon | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not read |
| 11:02.44 | nargon | from dmesg |
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| 11:04.51 | otwieracz | hello. |
| 11:05.11 | otwieracz | How to protect linux-image package for updating? |
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| 11:05.38 | otwieracz | I don't want to downgrade it but i need to do dist-upgrade |
| 11:05.38 | szonek | hi |
| 11:05.43 | otwieracz | hi |
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| 11:06.49 | cast | otwieracz: does aptitude hold pkg do that? |
| 11:07.11 | otwieracz | cast: i installed 2.6.26 kernel on my etch |
| 11:07.13 | cast | alternatively you could use the aptitude gui when you upgrade and unselect it |
| 11:07.23 | otwieracz | And I want to do dist-upgrade |
| 11:07.39 | otwieracz | But i don't want to downgrade my kernel |
| 11:07.56 | szonek | i have problem with SSH, it started to act weird today, after some time i couldn't connect do our server and i get the "ssh_exchange_identification Connection closed by remote host problem" error, after sending HUP to sshd it works as it should, but after some time (~30 minutes) i get the same error |
| 11:08.04 | cast | i dont see a problem, then |
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| 11:08.23 | otwieracz | cast: what should i do? |
| 11:08.41 | cast | im a bit confused. you want to upgrade but you want the kernel to stay the same? |
| 11:09.12 | otwieracz | yes |
| 11:09.19 | cast | ok. |
| 11:09.23 | otwieracz | sry about my english :] |
| 11:09.55 | cast | try aptitude hold on the packages you want not to be upgraded, |
| 11:10.05 | otwieracz | But how? |
| 11:10.18 | cast | aptitude hold |
| 11:10.21 | cast | blinks |
| 11:11.18 | jelly | nargon: tbh I don't know why eth0 and eth1 go UP |
| 11:11.24 | otwieracz | aptitudeis reeeeeeaaaaallllly sllllooooooowww |
| 11:12.00 | nargon | jelly.. wierd.. k i'm trying to find a place to stash: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 11:12.11 | jelly | nargon: also, don't bother censoring your IPs. We don't care (and you forgot to do it in one place) |
| 11:12.17 | nargon | any place i can add commands .. |
| 11:12.21 | nargon | :) yeah i realized that... |
| 11:12.22 | nargon | :P |
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| 11:13.18 | prxtien | whats the best way for me to launch an application as a privledged user from root? |
| 11:13.26 | prxtien | non-privleged even |
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| 11:13.34 | nargon | jelly.. i'm gonna throw :ifconfig eth0 down in the /etc/rc.local... |
| 11:14.21 | jelly | nargon: eh, whatever works. Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or a dhcp client process running? |
| 11:14.25 | nargon | as dpkg suggested earlier.. |
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| 11:14.43 | nargon | sorry not familiar with debian how tell dhcp client runnnig? |
| 11:15.50 | jelly | there'd be a process named like dhclient or pump |
| 11:16.36 | nargon | pgrep dhclient, pump yeilds nothing... maybee they died out though not sure if they ever try running |
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| 11:17.07 | jelly | or dhclient3 |
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| 11:17.40 | nargon | jelly negative.. no such process |
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| 11:18.21 | nargon | rc.local trick worked for now.. |
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| 11:18.44 | nargon | how do I disable the MTA attemptign to run ? |
| 11:18.56 | nargon | seems like that somehow wanted to use eth0 |
| 11:18.57 | nargon | durring boot |
| 11:19.18 | nargon | caused a pause durring boot for starting MTA |
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| 11:22.45 | nargon | ok... now that eth1 and eth0 are down on boot floodpinging neighbors does not result in odd 230ms packet delays... |
| 11:22.50 | nargon | i guess that takes care of it... |
| 11:23.04 | nargon | strange though that eth0 or eth1 being up would cause packet delays on another interface |
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| 11:25.22 | nargon | i spent the first half of the morning blaming the cisco switch.. |
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| 11:27.59 | jelly | It's Linux' fault! |
| 11:28.27 | jelly | and why _do_ you have your main network on eth2 instead of eth0! |
| 11:29.47 | nargon | jelly. cause..... thats where the blade registered the switch modules on the blades :) |
| 11:30.04 | nargon | noice how i blamed the blades and not linux :P ;) |
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| 11:30.32 | jelly | must be HP. |
| 11:30.37 | nargon | IBM... |
| 11:30.46 | jelly | yeah. |
| 11:31.31 | nargon | each blad has direct connections to two cisco switch modules and two coper passthrough modules... |
| 11:32.54 | jelly | sounds like a failover setup (that just isn't implemented) |
| 11:35.01 | nargon | could be used for anything... i happen only to need the two nics connected to the cisco's don't really need the direct nic passthrough connections |
| 11:35.05 | enouf | someone quite a few hours ago asked about high resolution timers or something? http://www.google.com/gwt/n?source=pagecreator&u=http://madhurtanwani.googlepages.com/highrestimer |
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| 11:35.26 | UselessWolf | hiho |
| 11:35.31 | nargon | thanks for the help |
| 11:35.32 | enouf | oops .. twas OFTC.net |
| 11:35.42 | UselessWolf | i need some help |
| 11:35.42 | UselessWolf | ^^ |
| 11:35.46 | g00se | What must i do to ensure that X is forwarded correctly when i'm in via ssh AND chrooted? |
| 11:36.00 | UselessWolf | i have downloaded usenet files and need a par cecker |
| 11:36.06 | UselessWolf | for yenc |
| 11:36.11 | UselessWolf | someone can help me? |
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| 11:36.51 | jelly | UselessWolf: apt-cache search par2 |
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| 11:37.54 | UselessWolf | parchive - Use PAR files to reconstruct missing parts of multi-part archives |
| 11:38.00 | UselessWolf | that looks good but how to use that |
| 11:38.19 | UselessWolf | oh |
| 11:38.22 | UselessWolf | got it.. |
| 11:38.23 | UselessWolf | ^ |
| 11:38.24 | UselessWolf | ^^ |
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| 11:39.00 | cast | you go man par |
| 11:39.26 | enouf | gives UselessWolf a birdie |
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| 11:46.04 | Posterdati | come on #openmodelica, free models for everyone :) |
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| 11:46.48 | cast | models of? |
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| 11:50.31 | jelly | Posterdati: please don't spam. |
| 11:51.08 | mavez | they better be sexy models |
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| 11:53.41 | cast | sexy claymation models |
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| 11:56.00 | Young_ | Hi! Have anyone used a software called "imsniff"? |
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| 11:56.01 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 11:56.01 | dpkg | qotd172 is probably <abrotman> !maint sex |
| 11:56.13 | cast | Young_: not me, whats it do? |
| 11:56.22 | enouf | not i either |
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| 11:57.40 | Young_ | cast: It is a software that records conversations from MSN. |
| 11:57.54 | cast | ahh. |
| 11:58.06 | cast | id use ngrep personally, but anyway, what about imsniff? |
| 11:58.18 | enouf | sound + video? |
| 11:58.27 | Young_ | No, just text. |
| 11:58.51 | cast | enouf: that would be neat, especially splicing in your own audio |
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| 11:59.14 | enouf | cast: i have some subliminal messages i'd like to insert :-) |
| 11:59.15 | Posterdati | jelly: not spam... no! |
| 12:00.09 | Young_ | I'm configuring a server that needs to log all the MSN conversations which passes through it. |
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| 12:00.26 | enouf | cast: actually, i'd like to get a hold of some internal redmond transmissions and play them back in reverse :-P |
| 12:00.31 | Young_ | And it is running this software called imsniff to build the logs. |
| 12:01.02 | enouf | cast: would make for great death metal lyrics |
| 12:01.02 | cast | Young_: why? |
| 12:01.19 | Young_ | But when I start to chat it return an error. |
| 12:01.52 | cast | yeah yeah...error...but why are you logging msn convos? |
| 12:01.53 | enouf | cries over the things he never imagined what people would try to use GNU/Linux for .... |
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| 12:03.01 | Young_ | cast: Because I'm configuring a server to do this. |
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| 12:03.11 | cast | but why. |
| 12:03.29 | icebrain | Young_: what's the error? |
| 12:03.40 | cast | i dont have a problem with it, if people want to not have their traffic sniffed they should use a protocol that isn't shit, like xmpp |
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| 12:04.06 | Young_ | icebrain: "No switchboard or unknown owner, can't log". |
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| 12:06.00 | cast | if its to impliment some internal policy recording all messaging to be achived, im compelled to suggest better means. |
| 12:08.51 | Young_ | It was an exigence of my company. They want to record all the conversations to avoid industrial espionage. |
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| 12:09.35 | cast | i find the thought of doing so over msn amusing |
| 12:09.54 | Maior | is there any package of mplayer for those of us who don't want to do X-type stuff (but like watching things with aalib, or using -dumpaudio)? |
| 12:10.30 | icebrain | debian's mplayer can do that, |
| 12:10.38 | Maior | I don't quite understand why I need, e.g., libxcursor |
| 12:10.50 | Maior | or libxinerama1 |
| 12:10.54 | alsd | Maior: because it's compiled with X support |
| 12:10.55 | icebrain | Young_: maybe it doesn't work with newer protocol versions.. |
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| 12:11.10 | Maior | alsd: is there a package that isn't (and I'm failing at finding) |
| 12:11.23 | Dragonking | Hello. I have wierd problem with my PCMCIA network card, tried to ask google about it but I couldn't find anything useful for me.. I installed lenny on my notebook - I use with it PCMCIA wireless card, I *can*connect to the network, borowse internet etc, but few times per minute network just gets stalled for a while. |
| 12:11.28 | Young_ | Does anyone suggest another software that could do this? |
| 12:11.47 | alsd | Maior: i guess there's no official one, but you can rebuild your own package with different libraries |
| 12:12.19 | alsd | Maior: that doesn't prevent mplayer from doing what you want, anyway, just mandates you to install those libs |
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| 12:12.38 | Maior | alsd: indeed |
| 12:12.49 | Dragonking | I did not have this problem under other OSes, and I'm a bit confused about it. Status lights on my network card are blinking in a weird way as well... any of you experienced something simillar? |
| 12:12.52 | rvsjoen | what moron would use msn for espionage anyhow ? |
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| 12:13.15 | cast | rvsjoen: marketing |
| 12:13.17 | cast | rvsjoen: HR |
| 12:13.21 | cast | thinks who else |
| 12:13.22 | Maior | alsd: well, it doesn't actually, if you define "what I want" as including "not having a variety of X junk installed" ;) |
| 12:13.25 | Maior | but cheers |
| 12:14.43 | alsd | Maior: so get the source, remove x libraries, and rebuild |
| 12:14.48 | Maior | indeed, am doing |
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| 12:16.22 | icebrain | Young_: it seems IMSniffer is very recent... I'll try installing it here |
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| 12:18.01 | Maior | <3 make -j |
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| 12:18.16 | enouf | how can i use pkill (or friends/cousins) to kill more than one process, by name, in one command, such like; "~# pkill kio_http konqueror kdesu kwallet" I've read man pkill, but i don't see anytihng related, do i need to mess with delimiter? |
| 12:19.01 | enouf | maybe pkill `pidof name1 name2 name3` ? |
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| 12:19.53 | Young_ | Well, actually I'm not questioning the reasons, I'm just fulfilling orders. |
| 12:20.36 | Young_ | icebrain: Thanks. I'll try to install it here too... |
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| 12:20.56 | Young_ | The "imsniff" software isn't updated since 2005. |
| 12:24.28 | icebrain | Young_: I was confused 'cause there's a IMSniffer on sourceforge, with 2008 releases, but it seems to be Windows only |
| 12:25.02 | icebrain | Young_: if imsniffer is that old I doubt it covers MSN9P |
| 12:25.16 | Young_ | icebrain: Hm... Yes. Just see. |
| 12:25.59 | Young_ | icebrain: The "Im Sniffer" is just for Windows. I need a software running in Debian. |
| 12:26.21 | alcohol | Young_: that's invasion of privacy |
| 12:26.31 | alcohol | Young_: punishable by law |
| 12:27.06 | _stack | not in all countryes :) |
| 12:27.10 | Young_ | alcohol: Well, I live in Brazil and here it is not. |
| 12:27.54 | cast | alcohol: though, as one is at work, everything you do should be work...thus owned by company... |
| 12:28.01 | alcohol | Young_: wrong |
| 12:28.02 | alcohol | Article 5 of the 1988 Constitution of Brazil[721] provides that "the privacy, private life, honor and image of persons are inviolable, and the right to compensation for property or moral damages resulting from their violation is ensured."[722] The Constitution also holds the home as "inviolable," and "no one may enter therein without the consent of the dweller, except in the event of flagrante delicto or disaster, or to give help, or, during the day, |
| 12:28.02 | alcohol | by court order."[723] Correspondence and electronic communication are also protected, except by court order "for purposes of criminal investigation or criminal procedural finding of facts." |
| 12:28.09 | alcohol | cast: also wrong, company cannot overal such laws |
| 12:28.15 | icebrain | Young_: oh, falas portugues? :P pois, acho que o imsniff nao da, a nao ser que alguem pegue no codigo e o adapte para o novo protocolo |
| 12:28.16 | cast | alcohol: my uni had a policy, we monitor everything. you have no privacy. |
| 12:28.22 | Young_ | alcohol: Anyway, I'm just accomplishing orders. |
| 12:28.24 | alcohol | cast: then your uni is liable to be suid |
| 12:28.26 | alcohol | sued* |
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| 12:28.52 | cast | alcohol: *shrugs* my country isn't big on privacy/etc :\ |
| 12:29.05 | alcohol | cast: I find that unlikely |
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| 12:29.37 | cast | waits for the country wide firewall |
| 12:29.39 | Young_ | icebrain: Pelo visto, causei discussão com o pessoal aÃÂ. Eu estou procurando alguma outra solução, mas as demais parecem usar mysql e php, mas não entendo nada de nenhum dos dois. |
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| 12:31.13 | icebrain | Young_: como vao ler os textos? Vao pesquisar por palavras chave ou ler tudo, linha a linha? Poderia simplesmente instalar um sniffer normal e configura-lo para apanhar tudo na porta do MSN |
| 12:31.38 | alcohol | icebrain: that would have been my suggestion too. |
| 12:31.43 | alcohol | but perhaps too complicated. |
| 12:31.48 | Young_ | A idéia é gerar documentos acessÃÂveis via web. |
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| 12:31.52 | alcohol | would require some knowledge of the protocol |
| 12:32.14 | Young_ | Ok, I'll try to talk in english... |
| 12:32.18 | alcohol | could you guys keep it to english, or move it to a private message? |
| 12:32.24 | alcohol | either will be fine (: |
| 12:32.25 | Young_ | Sorry. |
| 12:32.27 | icebrain | I think the protocol transmits in plain text |
| 12:32.52 | cast | msn chat is in plaintext, auth is secured against sniffing though |
| 12:33.03 | alcohol | icebrain: but turning it into an easily readable/searchable log would require some tinkering |
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| 12:33.17 | cast | i remember when they upgraded the network, and was dismayed at why they'd do such a halfassed job |
| 12:33.29 | alcohol | well |
| 12:33.35 | Young_ | It is not capturing all the conversations, it works in some computers, but it doesn't work with the other ones. |
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| 12:33.39 | alcohol | to be honest, I don't see why they should encrypt it |
| 12:34.08 | alcohol | they should merely add an extra option supporting a ssl connection between two clients, or something. |
| 12:34.22 | rvsjoen | Young_ : where are you capturing ? |
| 12:34.37 | alcohol | Young_: are you sure all computers run through the same server then? |
| 12:34.47 | cast | alcohol: should be the default, to protect against Young_ |
| 12:34.56 | alcohol | cast: true enough |
| 12:35.06 | Young_ | rvsjoen: It is a proxy server, running squid and iptables, and all the computers connect through it. |
| 12:35.07 | alcohol | Young_: also, not knowning what program you are using now and not knowning how it works means there could be any numbers of reason |
| 12:35.34 | enouf | ugh .. opensolaris has a pargs command, where is this on linux? |
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| 12:35.52 | p0g0 | Dragonking: It sounds like you are losing signal and reauthenticating- what kind of wireless card? |
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| 12:36.29 | rvsjoen | which software would you ladies use to run a virtual machine for testing purposes ? qvm ? kqemu ? uml ? I'm basically looking for pro's and con's |
| 12:36.31 | Young_ | alcohol: I'm using the "imsniff" software. |
| 12:36.40 | Young_ | alcohol: http://sourceforge.net/projects/im-snif/ |
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| 12:37.02 | rvsjoen | hmm. virtualbox looks interesting too |
| 12:37.02 | alcohol | Young_: you should probably try and find out if they have an irc channel or forum somewhere, for support |
| 12:37.55 | cast | rvsjoen: kvm |
| 12:38.17 | icebrain | I've been reading some of the code and that errors happens when a call is made to a function with a NULL connection, it seems to be an exception :| |
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| 12:38.42 | Dragonking | p0g0: A cheap one, TP-LINK or something |
| 12:39.27 | Dragonking | p0g0: But I think it is settings/debian releated, it works perfectly fine under windows/ubuntu |
| 12:39.36 | enouf | rvsjoen: egrep 'svm|vmx' /proc/cpuinfo (for kvm usage) |
| 12:39.39 | rvsjoen | cast : kvm claims to have requirements of hardware virtualization support :/ which I dont have |
| 12:39.56 | cast | rvsjoen: yeah...it as that. :\ |
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| 12:40.03 | enouf | well, it'll use qemu when you have no CPU VT |
| 12:40.18 | cast | rvsjoen: uml will only let you run linux, fwiw |
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| 12:40.58 | rvsjoen | I would prefer to be able to emulate different architectures |
| 12:41.06 | rvsjoen | i'll try qemu |
| 12:41.07 | Young_ | icebrain: Well... I'll try a little bit more. If anyone knows a good and free software to log MSN conversations, please tell me. |
| 12:41.08 | rvsjoen | thanks |
| 12:41.16 | Young_ | Well... I'll try a little bit more. If anyone knows a good and free software to log MSN conversations, please tell me. |
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| 12:42.03 | icenine | Young_, you mean your own convo or convos on the network |
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| 12:42.25 | p0g0 | Dragonking: what driver does it use? |
| 12:42.39 | Young_ | icenine: On the network. Connecting through the firewall machine. |
| 12:43.00 | otwieracz | Is any nopaste commiter in debian repo? |
| 12:43.09 | icenine | Young_, what's wrong with any network monitoring tool |
| 12:43.10 | Dragonking | p0g0: Plus, I have this KDE monitor for connection and it shows that I'm always connected... but I don't know how reliabe this is |
| 12:43.29 | alcohol | icenine: nothing, but it requires brains. |
| 12:43.37 | icenine | oh ya |
| 12:43.51 | Dragonking | p0g0: Well... to be honest I have no clue, I only plugged it in, booted linux and it was working like that. Prolly some pre-installed debian PCMCIA utils |
| 12:43.53 | icenine | brains and a freaking regex. |
| 12:43.55 | alcohol | icenine: doesn't come with fancy config and predefined functions and all. |
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| 12:44.26 | icenine | this is when you offer $ |
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| 12:44.36 | icenine | try rentacoder.com put up a $200 offer |
| 12:44.39 | alcohol | icenine: what about € ? |
| 12:44.46 | icenine | I'll take that over $ actually |
| 12:44.49 | icebrain | Young_: try http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Communications/Chat/IMSpector-18740.shtml |
| 12:44.51 | alcohol | :p |
| 12:45.03 | Dragonking | p0g0: I'm rather newbie when it comes to drivers for that... |
| 12:45.39 | icenine | Even wireshark has a default filter for AIM traffic |
| 12:45.44 | icenine | i'm surprised it doesn't have MSN |
| 12:45.47 | icenine | it might even |
| 12:46.04 | p0g0 | Dragonking: well, if you cannot figure what chipset or driver... The droputs you describe are often due to 'background scanning' and the card loses association briefly- the lag you observe is the re-association and re-authentication- if you do your homework, you may be able to turn off background scanning. |
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| 12:47.04 | Dragonking | p0g0: Ok, thanks for a hint :) |
| 12:47.07 | Young_ | icebrain: I have tried it before, but doesn't worked. I'll give it another try. Thank you. |
| 12:48.11 | enouf | Dragonking: have you inquired the ethX using ethtool?, also see if there are any tx/rx errors in ifconfig output |
| 12:48.19 | p0g0 | Dragonking: it's also possible that your card is using a lower transmit power level under Linux than MS. |
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| 12:48.48 | enouf | Dragonking: also, is managed/promiscuous mode a possible issue |
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| 12:49.14 | Dragonking | thinks he really needs to do his homework... |
| 12:49.34 | Dragonking | Ok, thanks, will try to figure it out somehow :) |
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| 12:50.24 | p0g0 | Dragonking: lspci will tell you the chipset, lsmod will tell you the driver. |
| 12:50.29 | enouf | yes, pcmciautils is the newer pkg - dpkg -L pcmciautils | grep doc |
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| 12:50.45 | enouf | in Lenny lspci -k will also |
| 12:51.55 | enouf | !4.0r7 |
| 12:51.55 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r7 was released on February 9th, 2009. This revision corrects security issues present in the stable release, along with adjustments for serious problems. http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090210 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/ChangeLog |
| 12:52.02 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 12:52.03 | dpkg | hmm... \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 12:52.55 | Dragonking | p0g0: lspci gives me info about Atheros Communications Inc |
| 12:52.56 | enouf | Dragonking: which debian release and kernel version? |
| 12:53.18 | Dragonking | enouf: lenny, 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 12:54.34 | enouf | Dragonking: ok .. |
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| 12:55.30 | Dragonking | enouf: ifconfig shows no errors/colissions/anything for that interface (or for any other) |
| 12:55.39 | rpaulson | why can I only find -amd64 linux-images and no -ia64 images? |
| 12:56.16 | liable | rpaulson: do you have an itanium processor? |
| 12:56.25 | enouf | Dragonking: as sudo/root , check for running services using netstat -tunap and lsof -i -n, use 'ps ef' and 'ps aux', see if avahi-deamon is running and kill it (not that i think that's the issue) but install htop (or use top) and watch it |
| 12:56.30 | rpaulson | liable: no, core 2 |
| 12:56.41 | liable | rpaulson: so use the amd64 one then |
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| 12:56.49 | enouf | rpaulson: use i386 or amd64, not ia64 |
| 12:56.59 | rpaulson | liable: okay.. so why call it amd64 if it's not amd specific? :P |
| 12:57.09 | p0g0 | Dragonking: is the interface names ath0 or wlan0? |
| 12:57.12 | liable | rpaulson: i agree its confusing |
| 12:57.14 | enouf | rpaulson: amd created the extensions |
| 12:57.17 | Dragonking | p0g0: wlan0 |
| 12:57.21 | enouf | !amd64 |
| 12:57.21 | dpkg | [amd64] the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64> |
| 12:57.27 | cast | ago amd! |
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| 12:58.24 | rpaulson | okay, any good reason for "why amd64"? any performance enhancement? |
| 12:58.25 | p0g0 | Dragonking: you are using the ath5k driver most likely then- I don't know how to turn off background scanning with that, but you might figure it out- you can blackist ath5k and use madwifi instead- that has a mod parm to turn off background scanning. |
| 12:58.38 | cast | rpaulson: run in 64bit mode |
| 12:58.40 | enouf | believes giving due credit to each specific corp when needed - intel had/has a stranglehold on the sheeple market |
| 12:58.58 | rpaulson | enouf: I agree, didn't know they made it :) |
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| 12:59.15 | enouf | Dragonking: /msg dpkg ath5k (if you are indeed using that) |
| 12:59.23 | Dragonking | p0g0: ok... hm I might too boot ubuntu from cd too and check what drivers it loads for my wifi... |
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| 12:59.55 | rpaulson | cast: yeah, but can I expect a performance enhancement from just changing the kernel and installing the libamd64? |
| 13:00.01 | enouf | Dragonking: /msg dpkg blacklist (if necessary - and blacklist-initramfs) |
| 13:00.11 | p0g0 | Dragonking: ath5k is now part of the kernel and will be the driver you get with recent kernels- it's a work-in-progress and lacks AP mode, but it's coming along pretty quickly. |
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| 13:00.35 | cast | rpaulson: nfi, i didnt bother looking at 64bit kernel 32bit userland benchmarks |
| 13:01.00 | enouf | FWIW -- "For those interested, the following new and updated content concerning wireless LAN chipset support (and device usage) is now available on the Debian Wiki." http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2009/02/msg00006.html |
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| 13:01.49 | enouf | !bravo gsimmons! |
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| 13:02.11 | enouf | (and other contributors) |
| 13:02.18 | enouf | er +all |
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| 13:03.25 | enouf | !x86_64 |
| 13:03.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64> |
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| 13:04.24 | enouf | er ..sorry about the double/same factoid output - thought the wiki link would be in this one explaining how AMD came out with the extensions 1st |
| 13:04.56 | alcohol | amd64 is also for core2duo? |
| 13:04.58 | rpaulson | enouf: okay.. so first it says optimized for x86 64, then it tells me to consider using the non-optimized? |
| 13:05.00 | alcohol | I wasn't aware of that x: |
| 13:05.25 | Maior | alcohol: if it's 64bit C2D (I don't know, beyond C2Ds being Intel), yes |
| 13:05.54 | jelly | Maior: core2duo are all 64bit. |
| 13:05.55 | alcohol | that factoid says "core2duo machines are amd64" |
| 13:06.01 | cast | alcohol: intel just copied amd64 and named it em64t |
| 13:06.11 | Maior | don't make the mistake I made, and wonder why your machine won't boot ia64 stuff... |
| 13:07.01 | alcohol | jelly: windows returns "intel core 2 cpu", that's not a duo I presume? x: |
| 13:07.29 | jelly | alcohol: I don't know much aobut windows, sorry |
| 13:07.54 | enouf | alcohol: all core2 are 64bit |
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| 13:08.09 | otwieracz | I have problem with IPTABLES and kernel 2.6.26 (from repository, precompiled) |
| 13:08.16 | enouf | some 1st gen coreduo / coresolo are not |
| 13:08.24 | liable | i have a core2solo thats not :P |
| 13:08.26 | otwieracz | Whan im trying to load iptables rules i have error: |
| 13:08.27 | otwieracz | iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `NAT': |
| 13:08.33 | otwieracz | what should i do? |
| 13:08.51 | enouf | smacks liable with a core2soloduosinglecoresole2duo |
| 13:09.30 | rvsjoen | any ideas when ncurses based interfaces dont work in xterm ? they only output escape characters to the screen |
| 13:09.38 | cast | id like to think im a computer guy, but the whole intel processing naming has me a bit confused |
| 13:09.42 | rvsjoen | TERM=xterm |
| 13:09.50 | jelly | otwieracz: are you using a custom kernel? Is this a real, physical machine? |
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| 13:10.09 | otwieracz | Real, psychical machine and kernel downloaded in deb from packages.debian.org |
| 13:10.13 | enouf | cast: they recently renamed their em64t -> intel 64 // haha |
| 13:10.42 | cast | oh dear, so is ia64 still itanium{2?} |
| 13:10.50 | rvsjoen | also tried setting TERM to vt100 and linux, no effect only color changes |
| 13:11.08 | jelly | rvsjoen: can we have an example app? |
| 13:11.09 | rpaulson | cast: I actually thought at one time that core 2 meant 2 cores... I don't know what made me think that :P |
| 13:11.09 | enouf | cast: the really hysterical thing is 64bit has been pushed for almost 10yrs now .. and according to moore's/murphy |
| 13:11.25 | enouf | s' law - it's all a crock-of-shit ;-) |
| 13:11.26 | rvsjoen | jelly: example app ? this is make menuconfig of the kernel |
| 13:11.55 | enouf | cast: yes, ia64 is only itanium{2} |
| 13:11.57 | rvsjoen | I assume other ncurses apps are also borked, can try iptraf though |
| 13:11.59 | cyzie | hi, i have created CA using openssl and of cause create my own server cert and keys. i understand that when we deploy the server cert and key to the apache, when client browse to the server, then there is an exception, how do we "remove" this exception ? |
| 13:12.08 | jelly | rvsjoen: also dpkg -l xterm libc6 libncurses5\* |grep ^.i |
| 13:12.16 | enouf | rvsjoen: you have .. ahh jelly-home has ya |
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| 13:12.31 | petemc | cyzie: i dont believe you can with self signed certs |
| 13:12.35 | jelly | rvsjoen: use a pastebin for more than 3 lines |
| 13:12.44 | enouf | likely missing libncurses5-dev |
| 13:12.48 | rvsjoen | jelly: http://dpaste.com/118912/ |
| 13:13.00 | petemc | cyzie: the only thing you can is tell your browser about the cert prior |
| 13:13.03 | rvsjoen | if I did it would tell me and not launch the interface afaik |
| 13:13.32 | enouf | perhaps |
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| 13:13.40 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 13:13.49 | gypsymauro | how can I reconfigure X.org? |
| 13:13.52 | rvsjoen | at least it used to fail miserably when missing the dev package |
| 13:14.00 | jelly | rvsjoen: looks all right; can you do a screenshot? |
| 13:14.00 | cyzie | petemc, i do some investigation there is something called chain certificate or intermediate CA whereby we can assign the chain server to the apache directive, SSLChainFile, but it would not work. |
| 13:14.05 | enouf | well, no, not really - the -dev is used by the kernel scripts |
| 13:14.24 | enouf | ok, well .. your locale is screwed :-P |
| 13:14.33 | enouf | or you're missing fonts :-) |
| 13:14.33 | rvsjoen | jelly: sure, one moment |
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| 13:14.40 | jelly | enouf: the -dev is used when building lxdialog; if he didn't have it, he wouldn't be able to use menuconfig at all |
| 13:14.53 | enouf | jelly: sure, ok |
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| 13:16.00 | jelly | otwieracz: does modinfo iptable-nat return anything? |
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| 13:16.32 | jelly | otwieracz: if it does, try modprobing it manually |
| 13:16.51 | rvsjoen | jelly: http://imagebin.org/38089 those escape sequences are from trying to navigate |
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| 13:17.03 | otwieracz | jelly: i load it and nothing |
| 13:17.07 | rvsjoen | enter seems to work though |
| 13:17.08 | otwieracz | Always the same |
| 13:17.31 | jelly | rvsjoen: hm. are you using screen in addition? |
| 13:17.42 | rvsjoen | no, just xterm |
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| 13:18.34 | jelly | rvsjoen: when you ctrl-middleclick on xterm and hold it, does it show that application keypad is enabled? |
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| 13:18.53 | jelly | rvsjoen: sorry, application cursor keys |
| 13:19.26 | rvsjoen | it didnt, but it didnt help turning them on |
| 13:19.49 | jelly | otwieracz: and iptables still complains? what is the exact command that fails? |
| 13:20.12 | jelly | otwieracz: uname -r? |
| 13:20.38 | otwieracz | 2.6.26-bpo.1-486 |
| 13:20.45 | otwieracz | and command |
| 13:20.52 | otwieracz | iptables -t NAT -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 13:21.01 | enouf | rvsjoen: try some dpkg-reconfigure <something> things? ..or perhaps one (or more) pkg is not installed correctly? try dpkg --configure -a , or apt-get install -f ? |
| 13:21.16 | rvsjoen | also efter quitting menuconfig I have toreset the terminal because the height is broked |
| 13:21.46 | jelly | rvsjoen: what does stty -a show before you run menuconfig? |
| 13:22.04 | rvsjoen | http://dpaste.com/118913/ |
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| 13:22.27 | enouf | rvsjoen: everything else video related works correctly? |
| 13:22.37 | rvsjoen | as far as I know |
| 13:22.57 | jelly | rvsjoen: looks reasonable to me (I don't know what most of those booleans do, though ;-) |
| 13:23.00 | enouf | rvsjoen: which arch/kernel and which debian release? |
| 13:23.06 | rvsjoen | the alt+1,2,3 in bitchx doesnt work though, have to use esc+1,2,3 |
| 13:23.19 | rvsjoen | 2.6.26-1 on lenny |
| 13:23.26 | enouf | hrm, keymap issue? |
| 13:23.35 | jelly | rvsjoen: what's your $LANG set to (or other locale settings)? |
| 13:23.44 | rvsjoen | en_US |
| 13:24.00 | jelly | rvsjoen: (not .UTF-8, good) |
| 13:24.00 | enouf | rvsjoen: 'locale' outputs that? |
| 13:24.14 | jelly | rvsjoen: frankly I have no idea |
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| 13:24.36 | rvsjoen | http://dpaste.com/118915/ everything except LC_ALL |
| 13:24.45 | rvsjoen | me neither, its really annoying |
| 13:25.04 | jelly | rvsjoen: sometimes, doing a "TERM=vt100 reset" instead of doing a reset with correct TERM makes a terminal emulator reset itself better |
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| 13:25.45 | rvsjoen | i'll try to knock some sense out of google, thanks for the help so far |
| 13:26.10 | enouf | rvsjoen: which keys are you pressing that gives those ESC sequence ooutput in your http://imagebin.org/38089 ? |
| 13:26.36 | rvsjoen | the arrows on the keyboard |
| 13:26.39 | jelly | rvsjoen: those visible escape codes correspond to application cursors. But you _are_ in a curses app so that should work |
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| 13:26.43 | rvsjoen | not the numeric keypad |
| 13:26.46 | enouf | rvsjoen: /msg dpkg insert |
| 13:26.58 | otwieracz | jelly: any ideas? |
| 13:27.12 | rvsjoen | the keys work, the command history and such |
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| 13:27.39 | jelly | otwieracz: not really. Does lsmod confirm that module to be loaded? |
| 13:27.44 | rvsjoen | the insert button gives me a "~" ^_^ |
| 13:28.07 | rvsjoen | so does pgup and pgdn.. somethis is seriously wrong heere |
| 13:28.23 | otwieracz | jelly: i have loaded every module with "nat" in filename |
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| 13:31.11 | jelly | otwieracz: btw, which cpu does that machine have? |
| 13:31.34 | datacrusher | hi fellas! i just mouted a debian box, with 3 eth, 2 comes an equal adsl links, and the other one goes to my internal network. im searching for some rules to use them both with load balance, and do also share a tunnel that ill dial with pppd to a pptp vpn. does i need to install some other thing besides iptables? |
| 13:31.52 | jelly | otwieracz: (totally unrelated question, I just think you might be better off with a -686 kernel instead of -486 in most cases) |
| 13:31.53 | enouf | rvsjoen: well .. twas an issue with older .26-1 kernels, and it would get triggered once dropping to console from X, or such - toggling the Insert key would fix it |
| 13:32.01 | rvsjoen | datacrusher: read the advanced routing howto |
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| 13:32.22 | enouf | rvsjoen: cat /proc/version says? (just curious) |
| 13:32.35 | rvsjoen | Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 |
| 13:32.35 | jelly | datacrusher: you'll likely need iproute package |
| 13:33.04 | enouf | rvsjoen: ok, insert was fixed by then, iinm - btw - is that a macbook or something? |
| 13:33.11 | rvsjoen | nope, desktop |
| 13:33.38 | enouf | rvsjoen: i dunno - pure lenny? any pinning? and backported sid pkgs? |
| 13:33.48 | enouf | experimental? (shudders) |
| 13:33.58 | rvsjoen | nothing exceptional |
| 13:34.01 | rvsjoen | pure lenny |
| 13:34.22 | otwieracz | jelly: i can install 686 kernel on 486 system? |
| 13:34.37 | jelly | rvsjoen: does another terminal emulator (say, rxvt) work in a different way? |
| 13:34.40 | otwieracz | 586 system* |
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| 13:34.46 | otwieracz | It is i586 |
| 13:34.55 | enouf | rvsjoen: all i can think of, is your keymap is corrupt or something - /msg dpkg keymap (that's all i got, sorry) |
| 13:35.24 | jelly | otwieracz: i586? An Intel Pentium? |
| 13:35.26 | enouf | did you spill soda all over your keyboard recently ? :-) |
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| 13:35.51 | jelly | otwieracz: grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:35.52 | rvsjoen | same thing with rxvt |
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| 13:36.05 | otwieracz | jelly: not, Geode GX1 :] |
| 13:36.06 | enouf | rvsjoen: you have gnome or kde at all? |
| 13:36.08 | jelly | rvsjoen: console? :-) |
| 13:36.13 | otwieracz | jelly: model name : Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by National Semi |
| 13:36.16 | rvsjoen | xfce/compiz |
| 13:36.16 | enouf | otwieracz: wth is it? |
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| 13:36.19 | enouf | ok |
| 13:36.25 | jelly | otwieracz: oh right, I think you want -486 for that one |
| 13:36.37 | otwieracz | It is i586 |
| 13:36.50 | jelly | rvsjoen: I meant, does it also not work in text console? |
| 13:36.59 | rvsjoen | hold on i'll check |
| 13:37.25 | bzed | yes. |
| 13:37.28 | rvsjoen | nah, same thing |
| 13:37.39 | jelly | rvsjoen: crap |
| 13:37.44 | bzed | ewin. |
| 13:37.46 | jelly | "should work" |
| 13:37.48 | rvsjoen | hehe |
| 13:38.18 | rvsjoen | well that rules out a lot of stuff at least |
| 13:38.30 | jelly | rvsjoen: is libncursesw5-dev installed? |
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| 13:38.39 | enouf | w? |
| 13:38.52 | jelly | w. |
| 13:38.54 | enouf | never heard of that one .. |
| 13:39.13 | rvsjoen | not the dev package, libncurses5w is installed |
| 13:39.14 | otwieracz | help.. |
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| 13:39.35 | datacrusher | the weight stuff will do, thanks |
| 13:39.41 | enouf | rvsjoen: dpkg-reconfigure console-{setup-data} ? |
| 13:39.43 | datacrusher | ill test the routing from the pptpclient, to see it works |
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| 13:40.02 | jelly | rvsjoen: well. I'd try installing that and rebuilding the utilities, just for fun |
| 13:40.24 | jelly | enouf: console-* won't help with X, and he has the same issue in X |
| 13:40.34 | rvsjoen | brb, compiz is killing me. doesnt like when I switch to a text based console |
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| 13:40.53 | enouf | ugh |
| 13:41.20 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 13:41.22 | salman | my debian boot time is the longest I have seen.. how to reduce that? |
| 13:42.46 | jelly | salman: remove unneeded services (you'll have to figure out on your own which ones you don't need) for a start |
| 13:43.26 | rvsjoen | wtf.. |
| 13:43.32 | rvsjoen | iptraf works |
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| 13:44.01 | rvsjoen | oh really... |
| 13:44.23 | rvsjoen | it works when I run it with sudo, interesting |
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| 13:45.25 | rvsjoen | env;sudo env, gives the same value for TERM,SHELL and LANG.. |
| 13:46.06 | jelly | rvsjoen: diff -u <(stty -a) <(sudo stty -a) ;-) |
| 13:46.20 | salman | jelly, I am using System/Administration/Services in gnome and these are the ones enabled: anacron, atd, klogd, sysklogd, dictd, gdm, sensord, hotkey-setup, avahi-daemon, portmap, dbus |
| 13:46.27 | rvsjoen | jelly: nothing |
| 13:46.40 | salman | jelly an addition to the disabled ones :-) |
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| 13:47.16 | jelly | salman: I won't be able to help you with that, no idea of what Gnome uses |
| 13:47.41 | enouf | passes jelly one foot |
| 13:48.15 | jelly | rvsjoen: so there's no difference in TERM or LANG or stty settings, but it works under sudo? |
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| 13:48.23 | rvsjoen | yup |
| 13:48.24 | jelly | shrugs |
| 13:48.35 | johndo | hi |
| 13:48.35 | jelly | good luck |
| 13:48.38 | rvsjoen | hehe |
| 13:48.51 | enouf | sudo sh -c 'locale' ? :-p |
| 13:48.57 | johndo | how do i get rid of a dpkg hold state? |
| 13:49.01 | icebrain | salman: that doesn't seem much to me, I run almost the same stuff and I boot in 40 secs on a P3 |
| 13:49.04 | enouf | !hold |
| 13:49.04 | dpkg | well, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic). Always hold back packages using 'dpkg' to make sure! |
| 13:49.07 | rvsjoen | enouf : wild guess, same :p |
| 13:49.12 | rvsjoen | and it holds true |
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| 13:50.01 | johndo | i don't want to set it to hold, i want to UNhold it ;) |
| 13:50.07 | enouf | rvsjoen: wait, echo $PATH as user - mv /usr/loca/bin to end of $PATH |
| 13:50.21 | salman | icebrain: there are other things running but I do not know from where can I disable/enable them such as vmware stuff |
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| 13:51.57 | rvsjoen | enouf : same result, path is now "/usr/java/jdk1.6.0_06/bin:/home/sjoen/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/bin |
| 13:52.18 | icebrain | salman: sudo /etc/init.d/vmware stop |
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| 13:52.23 | enouf | johndo: we know - rtfm |
| 13:52.43 | rvsjoen | wth |
| 13:52.57 | enouf | rvsjoen: er .. weirdness in /home/sjoen/bin? |
| 13:53.04 | rvsjoen | 'make menuconfig' does not work, 'strace make menuconfig' works (both as a normal user) |
| 13:53.06 | johndo | enouf: thanks, maybe you can add it to http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 13:53.23 | enouf | not that manual |
| 13:53.32 | salman | icebrain: but where can I get a list of these services? in order to make the changes permanent |
| 13:53.33 | Dragonking | enouf, p0g0 thank a lot! I blacklisted ath5k and compiled madwifi, now it works perfectly. :) |
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| 13:53.43 | enouf | Dragonking: ;-) |
| 13:53.48 | rvsjoen | enouf : just a few symlinks to newer versions of firefox/thunderbird and a few custom python scripts |
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| 13:53.57 | icebrain | salman: there's a package to administrate the daemons that should run on boot, but I can't remember the name :| |
| 13:54.03 | Joelio | hey guys, how do I get the firmware for my broadcom network card onto the etch-backport kernel? |
| 13:54.12 | szonek | few months ago i've created filter for messages in Evolution. How can i delete it? I can't find any listing of existing filters - there is Edition -> Messages Filters but it's empty |
| 13:54.13 | rvsjoen | why the heck would it make a difference to run it through strace ? |
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| 13:54.31 | enouf | rvsjoen: it's easy enough to export PATH=something - then test - then switch it back, but ok |
| 13:54.32 | icenine | Dragonking, ath5k is a feisty beasdt |
| 13:54.36 | icenine | beast* |
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| 13:54.46 | Maior | rvsjoen: race conditions, at a guess |
| 13:54.56 | rvsjoen | sounds plausible |
| 13:55.04 | enouf | export PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/bin |
| 13:55.05 | icenine | my system is all of a sudden workign smoothly on ath5k |
| 13:55.11 | icenine | but older versions of it fail |
| 13:55.13 | icebrain | salman: there's rcconf and sysv-rc-conf |
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| 13:55.21 | rvsjoen | enouf : same |
| 13:55.31 | icebrain | salman: you can use them to choose what daemons should run on startup |
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| 13:55.59 | enouf | rvsjoen: cat /etc/default/locale (not that this matters) ? .. grah . try another keyboard! :-P |
| 13:56.02 | rvsjoen | oh well, this hunt needs to continue later. have stuff to do. thanks for the help so far |
| 13:56.07 | enouf | heh |
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| 13:56.17 | rvsjoen | weird with strace though |
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| 13:56.59 | [ThePro] | join #django |
| 13:57.10 | [ThePro] | whoops ^^ |
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| 13:57.18 | alcohol | fail |
| 13:57.21 | [ThePro] | :) |
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| 13:58.11 | otwieracz | Where i can get "screen"? |
| 13:58.16 | otwieracz | In what package is it? |
| 13:58.18 | beardy | !installit |
| 13:58.19 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 13:58.36 | eggy_ | otwieracz: 'screen' |
| 13:58.42 | [ThePro] | huh? |
| 13:58.48 | otwieracz | nothing, my fail |
| 13:58.55 | [ThePro] | dont you just have to 'apt-get install screen' ? ^^ |
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| 13:59.50 | Maior | [ThePro]: indeed |
| 14:00.02 | Maior | <3 the "installit" mentality *SO MUCH* |
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| 14:04.56 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:04.56 | dpkg | <peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing |
| 14:05.20 | bolt-work | wtf |
| 14:05.48 | Maior | .... |
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| 14:06.08 | liable | mouse ball.. |
| 14:06.22 | werwolf | hi, how looks with lenny and valentine? |
| 14:06.33 | jelly | !wwlr |
| 14:06.34 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release when it's ready, with a tentative release date being set for February 14, 2009. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html for details. Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>. |
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| 14:07.07 | werwolf | jelly I read it should be released 14.2. is this correct? |
| 14:07.16 | salman | icebrain: wow.. too many services.. how can I know which ones do what? and which ones do I need? there is no help in either rcconf and sysv-rc-conf |
| 14:07.32 | jelly | werwolf: better replace that "should" with "might" |
| 14:07.40 | icebrain | salman: try man |
| 14:07.40 | werwolf | ok, may |
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| 14:08.03 | jelly | werwolf: May sounds like a reasonable time, yes. |
| 14:08.10 | icebrain | salman: if you "man DAEMONNAME" it should give you a nice description... |
| 14:08.18 | werwolf | ok, thank you |
| 14:08.42 | salman | icebrain: I will try that.. thank you.. |
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| 14:09.42 | salman | is it also possible to change the order of services running.. ie, wlan or eth trying to connect should be AFTER X loads |
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| 14:10.39 | icebrain | salman: don't know how you can configure that without messing things up |
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| 14:11.42 | craigevil | you can set it in /etc/network/interfaces to allow-hotplug rather than auto, but then you will have to start your wireless |
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| 14:12.18 | Bnerd[TM] | anybody here using cfengine 3? i have no specific question, just wanted to get some impression whether it's ready for prime time on new installs instead of 2, and if it's really that much simpler and more powerful IYO? |
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| 14:13.27 | craigevil | salman: how many services do you have running? on my eee running lxde i only have 62 processes running once lxde starts and my wireless is connected |
| 14:14.09 | salman | craigevil: how can I tell? it seems like 200 :-) |
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| 14:14.30 | icebrain | try using 'top' |
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| 14:14.44 | jelly | Bnerd[TM]: while you're here, ask if anyone's using puppet as well! |
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| 14:15.32 | salman | oh.. another issue.. I am trying to download the first lenny iso using jigdo.. I am now recieving this error: Found 0 of the 34 files required by the template |
| 14:15.42 | salman | Aaargh - 34 files could not be downloaded. This should not |
| 14:15.42 | salman | happen! Depending on the problem, it may help to retry downloading |
| 14:15.42 | salman | the missing files. |
| 14:16.14 | salman | I tried rerunning jigdo-lite several time but got the same error |
| 14:16.29 | Bnerd[TM] | jelly: ? |
| 14:16.41 | icebrain | Don't know - I've always used netinst |
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| 14:17.16 | salman | icebrain: me too.. but this time I am trying to install in in offline pc for testing |
| 14:17.46 | salman | icebrain: that will actually runn lenny in vmware |
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| 14:18.31 | icebrain | salman: you could try to download it from bittorrent, i know people who did. As long as you check the md5 afterwards... |
| 14:18.51 | x1250 | guys, I'm having trouble with games that try to use /dev/dsp to initialize sound, although this are not games from the repos (enemy territory and planeshift). I found a script on the debian games wiki for et, but planeshift seems to be another story. This is what planeshift has to say: http://paste.ubuntu.com/116459/ |
| 14:19.14 | jelly | Bnerd[TM]: http://www.reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/CfengineVsPuppet (note, written by the puppet author) |
| 14:19.16 | x1250 | any way to fixe this thing? |
| 14:19.17 | salman | I tried bittorrent but but spent half an hour without downloading a single byte.. |
| 14:19.55 | icenine | DEBUG: No device specified DEBUG: Falling back on default device |
| 14:20.00 | icenine | it's the APP's fault |
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| 14:20.21 | icenine | make sure you select the right audio output in the app's config |
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| 14:20.53 | alkii | is there some howto as to restoring a broken install to basic usability? |
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| 14:21.35 | x1250 | icenine, ok, I'll take a look |
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| 14:21.55 | troythetechguy | Is there a way to put a screen lock on a tty? |
| 14:22.15 | abrotman | vlock |
| 14:22.55 | troythetechguy | abrotman: thanks. |
| 14:23.07 | icebrain | salman: there's always http mirrors... |
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| 14:23.46 | valdyn | x1250: configure your openal to use alsa |
| 14:24.16 | Bnerd[TM] | jelly: puppet is very nice, yes, and cfengine can be a pain; but mark burgess has some *very* good points about principles and distribution |
| 14:24.26 | salman | my time is up here.. I will try other options tomorrow.. thank you for your help all of you, specially icebrain and jelly |
| 14:24.50 | Bnerd[TM] | jelly: that's why i asked for cfengine 3 specifically, it's rather new (this year), and is supposed to retain/improve the power while getting rid of some of the pain |
| 14:24.56 | icebrain | x1250: but shouldn't there be a /dev/dsp file anyway? |
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| 14:26.31 | grnmtn | does anyone know how to put the full debian installer on a usb stick, and make it bootable? |
| 14:26.46 | grnmtn | would dd'ing an install cd to the usb stick work? |
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| 14:26.51 | nocti | hi guys, is there a command that will process an output just like `find . -printf %C -print` will? |
| 14:26.55 | x1250 | valdyn, you mean in /etc/openal/alsoft.conf ? |
| 14:27.06 | abrotman | !tell grnmtn about usb install |
| 14:27.30 | x1250 | valdyn, should I change 'device = default' to something else? |
| 14:28.19 | x1250 | or maybe set 'drivers = alsa' |
| 14:28.31 | nicholas__ | grnmtn, don't know if this is what you're looking for.. but take a look at debian live |
| 14:28.33 | x1250 | aah, but that is the default |
| 14:28.48 | jelly | Bnerd[TM]: you might have more luck in an enterprisey distro channel (or perhaps #debian on irc.debian.org?) ... with our mere 100 prod. servers, we haven't gotten around to using any of that bunch. |
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| 14:30.09 | grnmtn | abrotman: I've seen the usual usb install instructions, but that is a minimal image, and the kernel support my NIC apparently |
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| 14:30.19 | Bnerd[TM] | jelly: my problem with the enterprisey guys is that they'll blindly recommend cfengine because it's the 'big name brand'...full 'nobody ever got fired for buying ibm" CYA mode. but thanks... |
| 14:30.23 | grnmtn | I know the full debian installer does, I've used it on the same hardware before |
| 14:30.31 | grnmtn | but I don't have a CD drive in this machine |
| 14:30.32 | abrotman | grnmtn: doesn't support you mean ? |
| 14:30.40 | abrotman | the usb install and the 'full installer' are the same |
| 14:30.44 | jelly | Bnerd[TM]: point. |
| 14:30.56 | Bnerd[TM] | jelly: my problem is more that cf3 looks really nice, but he says it's so general that it can support robotics, space &c applications...so i'm a bit afraid it's gone into full architecture astronautics... |
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| 14:31.11 | Bnerd[TM] | jelly: you know, software you can do everything with, but would never want to ;) |
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| 14:31.44 | jelly | does it have an embedded crippled lisp implementation yet? |
| 14:31.56 | x1250 | valdyn, done, that fixed it. Had to configure ~/.openalrc as in here: http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Linux_software_audio_mixing_with_FlightGear |
| 14:31.59 | x1250 | valdyn, thanks |
| 14:32.27 | Aldus | Hi, I am a debian newbye. I just run on my test server (using mysql, apache, tomcat and some other servers) the command "top" and I see that I have only 99 mb free over 2 Gigabytes. The swap (4 gigabytes) is totally unused. Is it normal that my applications are using so much memory, almost 2g, since the server is almost unused? Thanks |
| 14:32.35 | grnmtn | abrotman: right, that's what I meant |
| 14:33.22 | grnmtn | abrotman: it's hard to google for, because it comes up with instructions for persistent usb installations, which isn't what I want |
| 14:33.31 | icebrain | Aldus: my memory is always almost full, but I think it has to do with caching |
| 14:33.52 | icebrain | Aldus: if the apps request more memory it is released, AFAIk |
| 14:33.54 | abrotman | grnmtn: did you check both guides in that factoid ? |
| 14:33.55 | grnmtn | abrotman: the usb installer is only 15MB, it's not the full install |
| 14:33.56 | Polleke | Aldus, that's totally normal |
| 14:34.17 | abrotman | grnmtn: that's the businesscard |
| 14:34.26 | Aldus | thank you Polleke |
| 14:35.12 | Bnerd[TM] | jelly: lol...i guess these days it wouldn't be crippled lisp but terrible scheme. does nothing right, but i'll be damned if it doesn't substitute loops for tail recursion. ;) |
| 14:35.32 | Bnerd[TM] | jelly: but your initial point is taken..i'm contemplating puppet too |
| 14:35.43 | Polleke | Aldus, and nothing to be worried about. As icebrain explained, the kernel likes to just cache if no other prorgram requests the space. |
| 14:36.43 | grnmtn | abrotman: everything in the offical documentation seems to point toward that image for usb installs |
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| 14:36.44 | grnmtn | abrotman: I'm looking more now though . . . |
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| 14:37.18 | abrotman | someone broke the factoid |
| 14:37.30 | abrotman | glares at enouf .. again |
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| 14:39.37 | abrotman | !tell grnmtn about usb install |
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| 14:39.45 | abrotman | i fixedishedi it |
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| 14:41.35 | jelly | !cookie abrotman |
| 14:41.36 | dpkg | Hey jelly, qotd153 is abrotman: yes, I'm waiting for the german scat collection myself |
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| 14:41.50 | jelly | SO not what I wanted it to give you |
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| 14:42.53 | jelly | dpkg: bad bot! |
| 14:42.53 | dpkg | :( |
| 14:43.38 | abrotman | kind of weird .. it stripped the <asg> bit |
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| 14:46.00 | jelly | dpkg: cookie jelly |
| 14:46.02 | dpkg | pulls out the cookie jar and finds CMD: crawl-smite (.*?)... ($1): summons (1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|0) (jellys|acid jallys|ogres|high elfs|kobolts|gnomes|fire giants|spinny frogs|deamons) to slaughter $1 using (own teeth|bare hands|magical energy|swords|clubs|fails) |
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| 14:46.12 | jelly | fail! |
| 14:46.43 | jelly | ok, so cookie gets a random matching factoid |
| 14:47.35 | stew | !give jelly a cookie |
| 14:47.36 | dpkg | gives jelly a home-baked oatmeal raisin cookie to cheer him up. |
| 14:47.59 | jelly | eats it |
| 14:48.15 | stew | !greycatsnack |
| 14:48.15 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a peanut butter cookie for all the hard work |
| 14:48.36 | jelly | !seen greycat |
| 14:48.37 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'greycat', jelly |
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| 14:50.08 | enouf | looks menacingly back at abrotman for the baseless accusation :-p |
| 14:50.23 | enouf | s/implication |
| 14:50.46 | Enigma | What happed to the php5-common package in lenny? The latest version seems to be a non-maintainer upload. Is this a common case? Because I will upgrade this package on a live server and I dont know if I can trust thouse uploaders. |
| 14:51.50 | enouf | Enigma: nmg usually means NEW-maintainer upload, not NON .. IINM |
| 14:52.24 | enouf | !maint php5-common |
| 14:52.29 | dpkg | php5-common: Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 14:53.01 | stew | Enigma: the current php5-common in lenny was a security related upload prepared by 2 of the php5 maintainers, it wasn't a NMU |
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| 14:54.46 | Enigma | enouf: ok, just curious: when 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1~lenny1 was accepted with the comment "* Non-maintainer upload.". So this is NOT related to the latest 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 package? |
| 14:55.23 | abrotman | enouf: you were the last person to edit it .. |
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| 14:55.47 | stew | Enigma: yes, that was a non-maintainer upload, the subsequent upload was a maintainer upload, and the maitnainer says "Incorporate changes from NMU" |
| 14:55.56 | stew | Enigma: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/php5/php5_5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2/changelog |
| 14:56.55 | enouf | Enigma: sorry - not sure .. i'll let others follow up with you |
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| 14:57.10 | enouf | abrotman: which one? <usb install> |
| 14:57.17 | abrotman | i fixed it now |
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| 14:58.02 | enouf | abrotman: which one?! and what was wrong? if i edited that, it was likely a change from a broken url to a working one? |
| 14:58.23 | abrotman | i have no idea what the prior value was before you changed it, but the result was broken |
| 14:58.36 | enouf | WHICH ONE!? |
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| 15:01.58 | achilles | hello, I have ADSL connection, is there a way to let my linux pc dial and have the connection and the DSL router acts only as a modem |
| 15:01.59 | *** topic/#debian by abrotman -> 4.0r7 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg lenny status | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:02.16 | szonek | few months ago i've created filter for messages in Evolution. How can i delete it? I can't find any listing of existing filters - there is Edition -> Message Filters but it's empty......... anyone? |
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| 15:03.44 | frostschutz | achilles: some dsl modem / router combo devices have a setting for bridge mode so it acts only as modem to another router or pc. if your modem doesnt support this you're out of luck. |
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| 15:04.14 | achilles | frostschutz, ah .. thanks |
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| 15:06.58 | frankb | /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 15:07.11 | frankb | the nofile parameter does not work |
| 15:07.34 | frankb | etch amd64 |
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| 15:08.10 | \amethyst | frankb: how are you testing? |
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| 15:14.52 | enouf | Enigma: wow, another apology from me, i was even wrong about what NMG stands for .. sorry again for the unintended misinformation |
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| 15:15.42 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps is there issues with adobe flash player nine and firefox/debian ? |
| 15:15.52 | bbelt16ag | I can't get hulu to work at all now.. |
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| 15:16.28 | alkii | what are {a} packages? |
| 15:17.28 | \amethyst | alkii: {a} is for packages that are bing automatically installed or removed. {u} is for packages that are being removed because they are unused |
| 15:17.35 | alkii | ohhh |
| 15:17.41 | \amethyst | alkii: AFAIK this is only explained in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/NEWS |
| 15:17.43 | alkii | so there's nothing wrong with a {a} package |
| 15:17.49 | \amethyst | alkii: I can't find it in the manual anywhere |
| 15:17.50 | \amethyst | alkii: nope |
| 15:17.52 | alkii | aaand it's not a different kind of package |
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| 15:18.30 | guldnot | problem... I have 2 IPs on my server and need postfix to be able to send mail from both IPs... is there any way to do this? tried to run two seperate postfix without progres |
| 15:18.43 | abrotman | why? |
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| 15:19.25 | guldnot | abrotman why I need mail send from the two IPs or why I didn't get two postfix to work? =) |
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| 15:19.39 | MrWax | How can I jump to screen #10 ? |
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| 15:20.36 | \amethyst | MrWax: you mean virtual terminals? alt-f10 or ctrl-alt-f10 (you need ctrl-alt- in X) |
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| 15:20.50 | MrWax | \amethyst: yes |
| 15:21.01 | MrWax | both don't work to me |
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| 15:21.10 | \amethyst | MrWax: then you don't have anything running on VT 10 |
| 15:21.22 | MrWax | putty standard settings, does that make sense? |
| 15:21.35 | \amethyst | MrWax: err... doesn't work through putty |
| 15:21.40 | \amethyst | MrWax: only at the keyboard |
| 15:21.48 | MrWax | ah damn, any other ways to reach screen 10 and 11? |
| 15:21.50 | themill | ssh x tunneling with DISPLAY=:10? |
| 15:22.07 | \amethyst | MrWax: what do you want to do with them? |
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| 15:22.17 | MrWax | work in them, and/or kill them i guess |
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| 15:22.22 | abrotman | guldnot: why do you need to send from two IPs |
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| 15:22.58 | MrWax | \amethyst: any ways to fix that? |
| 15:23.09 | \amethyst | MrWax: you can kill them by finding the login shell for tty10 and killing it |
| 15:23.18 | MrWax | to jump to the next screen for example, when i am in screen9 |
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| 15:23.34 | guldnot | abrotman this server is used to send mail to members of a community... 100.000 emails once a month... IP1 is used to this.. IP2 should be used to activatione-mails, support-emails etc |
| 15:23.46 | \amethyst | MrWax: wait, are you talking about the 'screen' program? |
| 15:23.51 | ribasushi | is there an approved way to get a 1000hz kernel on debian? |
| 15:23.56 | ribasushi | or make-kpkg is the way to go? |
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| 15:24.09 | abrotman | make-kpkg |
| 15:24.31 | MrWax | \amethyst: yes |
| 15:24.36 | \amethyst | MrWax: OHH |
| 15:24.41 | abrotman | guldnot: i'd ask #postfix, but you're likely going to need two instances i'd guess |
| 15:24.59 | \amethyst | MrWax: I thought you were talking about the built-in virtual terminals (tty1 etc) |
| 15:25.06 | ribasushi | guldnot: two instances, no way around it |
| 15:25.28 | \amethyst | MrWax: C-a n switches to the next screen window |
| 15:25.40 | MrWax | \amethyst: thanks! |
| 15:25.42 | guldnot | thx abrotman & ribasushi... the two instances however insist on using the same conf-file |
| 15:25.44 | \amethyst | MrWax: or you can bind a key to 'select 10' |
| 15:26.00 | abrotman | guldnot: you're going to need one in a separate install directory pointing at its own set of conf files |
| 15:26.05 | \amethyst | MrWax: C-a :select 10<Enter> will go there directly |
| 15:26.21 | MrWax | ah yep |
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| 15:26.57 | guldnot | abrotman tried that but must have missed something |
| 15:26.59 | guldnot | I'll try again |
| 15:27.04 | guldnot | thx |
| 15:27.09 | ribasushi | guldnot: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433660 |
| 15:27.10 | magyar_ | is there any sarge repos? |
| 15:27.21 | ribasushi | guldnot: there is no out of the box support for multi instances yet |
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| 15:28.56 | \amethyst | MrWax: in man screen, search for demo2 --- that's an example of how to make a binding to switch to windows above 9 |
| 15:29.26 | abrotman | magyar_: archive.debian.org |
| 15:29.51 | magicquotes | hi! how will i install flash player on iceweasel? i executed the flashplayer-installer and it prompted me for the destination. i typed-in /user/lib/iceweasel, and it seemed that it has been installed but after i restarted iceweasel, it still couln't play flash files |
| 15:29.58 | magyar_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:30.10 | magicquotes | im using debian etch 4 2.6.18, any idea please |
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| 15:30.21 | MrWax | \amethyst: ok will check |
| 15:30.39 | magicquotes | sorry, usr/lib/iceweasel rather |
| 15:30.46 | themill | dpkg: tell magicquotes about adobe flash |
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| 15:32.22 | pierre_le | magicquotes, are you running 32 or 64 etch? flash closed bins are 32 only |
| 15:32.37 | magicquotes | 32 etch |
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| 15:33.02 | on | hello |
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| 15:33.39 | magicquotes | pierre_le: any idea? |
| 15:33.47 | abrotman | magicquotes: /msg dpkg dmm .. you can't use flash10 |
| 15:33.47 | pierre_le | no, sry |
| 15:33.53 | themill | magicquotes: just follow the instructions dpkg gave you |
| 15:34.04 | magicquotes | themill: ok thanks |
| 15:34.11 | Posterdati | please how can I force deb packages for i386 on amd64? |
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| 15:36.00 | abrotman | Posterdati: you cannot |
| 15:36.12 | Posterdati | abrotman: :( |
| 15:36.31 | Posterdati | abrotman: I got openmodelica debs that was compiled on i386 |
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| 15:36.45 | \amethyst | Posterdati: it is possible (look at the list of --force- options in man dpkg), but it is very unlikely to work |
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| 15:36.51 | hellues | hey |
| 15:36.55 | bittin_ | hi |
| 15:37.03 | \amethyst | Posterdati: maybe you can debootstrap a 32-bit install in a chroot, and install the program there |
| 15:37.20 | pseubodot | Posterdati: build yourself virtual i386 machine, and then install your package into that. |
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| 15:37.33 | pseubodot | qemu works fairly well |
| 15:37.37 | Posterdati | \\amethyst :( |
| 15:37.43 | Posterdati | \amethyst :( |
| 15:37.50 | hellues | i have a problem.My system recognized my wirelesscard before one hour ago.Now i cannot recieve any signal from wireless.And My sstem doesnt know my wireless card .How can i handle ? |
| 15:37.53 | Posterdati | pseubodot: good! |
| 15:38.17 | hellues | my wireless card intel wireless 4965 |
| 15:38.24 | pseubodot | see abrotman? I'm not just cute... |
| 15:38.47 | hellues | i install firmware-iwlwifi,network-manager,network-manager-gnome pls help me |
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| 15:39.45 | hellues | anyone ? |
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| 15:39.59 | abrotman | sweeps pseubodot into his loving harms |
| 15:40.07 | abrotman | arms .. eh |
| 15:40.21 | pseubodot | does something to abrotman in another channel ... |
| 15:40.33 | hellues | help me pls damn debian |
| 15:40.50 | Posterdati | hellues: ( |
| 15:41.00 | Posterdati | hellues: debian is not "damn" |
| 15:41.10 | kris | hellues: go for root and type in aptitude |
| 15:41.22 | Posterdati | hellues: debian is a dam againts the evil |
| 15:41.24 | jamon | hellues: we're not all here to help you the instant you have a question either, a little patience goes a long way here |
| 15:41.28 | hellues | aptitude what kris |
| 15:41.38 | hellues | sorry |
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| 15:41.47 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 15:41.57 | Posterdati | ciao mauro |
| 15:42.02 | stew | hellues: is there a hardware killswitch that got switched? |
| 15:42.02 | kris | just type in aptitude in conlose when root |
| 15:42.10 | hellues | stew, |
| 15:42.15 | gypsymauro | ciao Posterdati :) |
| 15:42.25 | Posterdati | gypsymauro: come vai? |
| 15:42.32 | hellues | this switch out of work |
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| 15:42.36 | hellues | doesnt work |
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| 15:42.45 | Posterdati | hellues: it happens |
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| 15:42.55 | kris | guys btw is there a better driver than fglrx for radeon 9600? I think it keeps crashing my box |
| 15:42.55 | stew | hellues: unload and reload the driver, then check dmssg |
| 15:42.57 | gypsymauro | I've installed xorg on lenny but keyboard layout and video resolution are both wrong how can I adjust them? |
| 15:43.01 | UncleG | anyone familiar with pbm2g3? |
| 15:43.03 | gypsymauro | Posterdati: fine tanx;) |
| 15:43.18 | hellues | stew, how can i unload reload driver ? |
| 15:43.20 | jamon | hellues: check in dmesg for rfkill related messages |
| 15:43.25 | kris | according to xorg "ati" driver doesnt exist |
| 15:43.42 | hellues | i reinstall driver.No changes occur. |
| 15:43.56 | stew | hellues: modprobe -r driver ; modprobe driver |
| 15:44.03 | hellues | okey |
| 15:44.03 | stew | kris: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 15:44.16 | kris | stew: thnx ill try it now :) |
| 15:44.22 | hellues | modprobe -r mac80211 then modprobe mac80211 |
| 15:44.31 | stew | hellues: that's not your wireless driver |
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| 15:44.39 | stew | hellues: which chipset do you have? |
| 15:44.53 | hellues | intel pro wireless 4965 |
| 15:45.00 | hellues | firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 15:45.18 | stew | hellues: modprobe -r iwl4965 ; modprobe iwl4965 |
| 15:45.30 | jamon | hellues, stew: there's cfg80211 as well |
| 15:46.26 | hellues | stew, |
| 15:46.29 | hellues | okey i did it |
| 15:46.41 | achilles | hello, I have installed an internal firewall that does NATing between 192.168..( servers IPs) and 172.20..( hosts IPs) .. but it's really very bad especially when large file transfare happens, I thought to let both hosts and servers within the same subnet and enable IP_forwarding .. what do you think ? |
| 15:47.20 | stew | achilles: why is it very bad? |
| 15:47.45 | achilles | stew, slow and causes some errors for large file transfare |
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| 15:47.59 | stew | achilles: what errors? |
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| 15:48.31 | jelly | kris: which distro? |
| 15:48.36 | kris | lenny |
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| 15:48.45 | enouf | achilles: how large are the files? which FStypes are involved? |
| 15:48.48 | jelly | kris: xserver-xorg-video-radeon is the free driver |
| 15:49.16 | achilles | stew, like the source is no longer available.. but when retrying it passes and then causes the problems again |
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| 15:49.40 | achilles | enouf, around 3G .. or remote installation |
| 15:49.45 | stew | achilles: how are you doing the transfers? over what protocol? |
| 15:49.49 | kris | jelly: not found in my repos |
| 15:49.55 | hellues | stew, http://www.paste.org/validate.php |
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| 15:50.03 | hellues | it says efprom not found |
| 15:50.09 | enouf | hellues: some general info here http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 15:50.24 | kris | anything beats fglrx - each time i need opengl i get a hard reset :/ |
| 15:50.32 | achilles | stew, smb |
| 15:50.39 | hellues | enouf, can you check my url pls |
| 15:50.46 | stew | achilles: which fs type are you using? |
| 15:50.50 | stew | achilles: smbfs? cifs? |
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| 15:51.10 | achilles | stew, cifs |
| 15:51.29 | stew | achilles: are there errors in the server logs? |
| 15:51.40 | \amethyst | hellues: the URL you pasted says "Error", then three error messages from the pastebin |
| 15:51.43 | stew | achilles: what os is the server running? |
| 15:51.47 | achilles | stew, no, on client sides |
| 15:51.49 | enouf | hellues: there's nothing there - you forgot the exact/distinct URL |
| 15:52.02 | achilles | stew, both debian and windows server 2003 |
| 15:52.13 | achilles | but the problem appears mostly on win |
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| 15:52.14 | hellues | sorry |
| 15:52.16 | enouf | heh => "Error Sorry, you have not included your name, or the name you have provided is invalid. Sorry, the security code you have provided is invalid. Sorry, you have not added any content." |
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| 15:52.36 | hellues | http://paste.org/index.php?id=5315 |
| 15:52.47 | hellues | this works |
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| 15:53.48 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.07 | enouf | what did you do to your eeprom!! |
| 15:54.12 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:54.19 | hellues | nothing :D |
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| 15:54.38 | hellues | i really did nothing.I rebooted my machine and it give this error |
| 15:54.50 | hellues | are there a way to fix this error enouf |
| 15:54.52 | enouf | hellues: that's you coming out if sleep/suspend? |
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| 15:55.22 | enouf | you have ACPI errors prior hellues |
| 15:55.33 | hellues | hmm i did some suspend |
| 15:55.36 | enouf | and APIC errors too |
| 15:55.39 | hellues | the reason is that |
| 15:55.54 | hellues | yes i took apic error 40 something like that |
| 15:55.54 | enouf | yes - so see the URL i gave and try the pre-up method perhaps |
| 15:56.31 | hellues | pre up method |
| 15:56.39 | enouf | hellues: does/did it work before? if so, before what? |
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| 15:57.06 | enouf | hellues: is the firmware installed in /lib/firmware ? |
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| 15:57.55 | hellues | enouf, iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode |
| 15:57.58 | hellues | yes |
| 15:58.50 | enouf | yes what? |
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| 15:59.10 | hellues | yes i guess firmware install |
| 15:59.12 | kris | stew: so i installed the drivers, reconfigured xorg but i got signal 11 SV aborting |
| 15:59.25 | hellues | this thing is in /lib/firmware |
| 15:59.30 | enouf | hellues: also, next time, pastebin output of /var/log/dmesg |
| 15:59.31 | hellues | things* |
| 15:59.44 | enouf | hellues: but i asked you more than one question |
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| 16:00.21 | hellues | this works good before 1-2 hours |
| 16:00.26 | linuxpoet | O.k. can someone explain the debian release names to me? What is lenny |
| 16:00.30 | hellues | enouf, |
| 16:00.39 | enouf | hellues: ok - then waht happens? |
| 16:00.50 | enouf | linuxpoet: /msg dpkg releases |
| 16:00.54 | hellues | nothing it doesnt work now |
| 16:01.03 | enouf | hellues: why not? what did you do? |
| 16:01.07 | hellues | my wireless doesnt work |
| 16:01.10 | hellues | i dont know |
| 16:01.20 | hellues | the only rease can be "suspend" |
| 16:01.20 | enouf | did you Suspend or Sleep? |
| 16:01.23 | linuxpoet | well there ya go, thanks enouf |
| 16:01.32 | Akuw | i need to encode a php code, what application is there to debian? |
| 16:01.33 | hellues | yes i do suspend lots of time |
| 16:01.33 | enouf | right - so - hellues reboot fully .. again |
| 16:01.43 | hellues | i reboot my machine |
| 16:01.49 | hellues | it is useless |
| 16:02.00 | hellues | but i reboot |
| 16:02.10 | enouf | well .. something got messed up - dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi |
| 16:03.05 | enouf | it might be you have remnants from the older ipw drivers about |
| 16:03.12 | linuxpoet | o.k. so if I am currently running lenny I should switch to stable the moment the latest is announced yes? |
| 16:03.53 | jamon | linuxpoet: just leave it as lenny, that way when the next testing goes stable you don't get an unexpected dist-upgrade surprise |
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| 16:04.17 | linuxpoet | jamon: but I don't want to stay in testing :( |
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| 16:05.08 | magicquotes | themill: thanks |
| 16:05.08 | jamon | linuxpoet: exactly :) |
| 16:05.40 | jamon | linuxpoet: when lenny goes to stable, leaving the name as it is means you'll stay with it |
| 16:06.24 | linuxpoet | oh |
| 16:06.32 | linuxpoet | I thought lenny was "always" testiong |
| 16:06.38 | webmind | nope |
| 16:06.46 | jamon | linuxpoet: the only name that stays the same is sid |
| 16:06.49 | webmind | only very confising since sid is always unstable :) |
| 16:06.55 | linuxpoet | aha! |
| 16:06.58 | webmind | *confusing |
| 16:07.01 | linuxpoet | o.k. so we will just leave it, works for me :) |
| 16:07.06 | linuxpoet | thanks for the tips |
| 16:07.08 | jamon | ;) |
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| 16:07.54 | enouf | linuxpoet: yeah, prior to Etch, the last Stable release was Sarge, then Etch ,... and soon Lenny will become the "Stable" release - and Squeeze will be the name of the new Testing |
| 16:08.20 | linuxpoet | squeeze? |
| 16:08.28 | linuxpoet | is it going to try and get out quickly? |
| 16:08.29 | linuxpoet | :) |
| 16:08.30 | enouf | as mentioned Sid is always Unstable |
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| 16:08.52 | enouf | linuxpoet: could be tight! :-P |
| 16:08.55 | enouf | runs |
| 16:09.00 | linuxpoet | hah |
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| 16:09.38 | arvind_khadri | hi, i wanted some help with gpg.... |
| 16:10.08 | arvind_khadri | if there is revoked next to my key does it mean that it has been revoked? |
| 16:10.08 | jamon | arvind_khadri: you don't any more? j/k, what's your question? |
| 16:10.27 | enouf | arvind_khadri: you sure you don't mean SSL? |
| 16:10.45 | arvind_khadri | enouf, jamon http://paste.ubuntu.com/116489/ look at this |
| 16:10.58 | enouf | ubuntu? no thanks |
| 16:11.33 | arvind_khadri | enouf, :S |
| 16:12.02 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: go to #ubuntu |
| 16:12.05 | hark | he's running debian |
| 16:12.13 | abrotman | hark: not by his hostname in his paste |
| 16:12.14 | arvind_khadri | hark, i was... |
| 16:12.25 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: ask #ubuntu or #gnupg |
| 16:12.39 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, thanks for that :) |
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| 16:13.07 | hark | arvind_khadri: debian not work out? |
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| 16:13.48 | arvind_khadri | hark, nah.... i liked it a lot...but had a very old kernel..and lenny to has .24... my h/w wudnt have been supported |
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| 16:14.44 | abrotman | lenny has .26 |
| 16:15.37 | arvind_khadri | ok |
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| 16:22.40 | ohgs | I need to have my new Debian server assigned a different external IP than the other as they're the same right now. If I should be able to do this through my firewall what am I looking for? |
| 16:22.50 | ma3x | can partition encryption be done during the installation of debian, or it should be setup after installing debian? |
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| 16:23.40 | alcohol | ma3x: I hax you |
| 16:23.40 | ohgs | ma3x: You can setup encrypted LVM partitions in the DEbian installer, unsure about normal ones |
| 16:24.07 | ma3x | but once your system is up and running you can't encrypt the partition anymore, right? |
| 16:25.17 | ohgs | I've never done it so I can't say and besides I don't know what your question means. Why would you want to encrypt twice? |
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| 16:26.16 | \amethyst | name=${A}_${B}; echo "${!name}" |
| 16:26.17 | \amethyst | doh |
| 16:26.26 | jamon | ma3x: you can't encrypt an existing non-encrypted partition, it has to be done as physical partition, on top of which you create a regular filesystem (at least according to the installer) |
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| 16:26.45 | enouf | gives \amethyst a tabbed gui irc client |
| 16:27.02 | ma3x | ohgs: not twice. but if you have already non encrypted partition of debian with data on it, can you encrypt it without having to reinstalll |
| 16:27.09 | ma3x | oh ok there is the answer |
| 16:27.21 | ohgs | :) |
| 16:27.58 | enouf | ma3x: there are other ways though .. with certain choices - you can encrypt dirs/files with truecrypt say - so .. |
| 16:28.01 | ohgs | Anyone know how I give machines separate external IPs that are behind the same firewall? Can I? If so, whats this called? |
| 16:28.12 | ma3x | what's the advantage of encrypted partition? is it not hackable? :) |
| 16:28.46 | enouf | ma3x: one mounts partitions/file systems - no passphrase, no mount ;-) |
| 16:29.20 | jamon | ma3x: if you do encrypt partitions, encrypt your swap too, else it is possible to sniff your passphrase form a swap volume on resume |
| 16:29.48 | ma3x | does the debian installer give you the option to encrypt swap? |
| 16:29.54 | enouf | or just wipe your swap regularly ;-) |
| 16:30.08 | ohgs | 'wipe your swap' :D |
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| 16:30.18 | jamon | ma3x: you'd create another encrypted volume, then put swap on it |
| 16:30.29 | enouf | or ..setup a swapfile - but you might need a partition to use for suspend garb |
| 16:30.42 | jamon | enouf: that, but attacks have more to do with suspend/resume |
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| 16:31.01 | jamon | and even then there is the cold boot method to sniff from ram even after shutdown |
| 16:31.08 | enouf | jamon: or RAM and keyloggers .. and ftp :-) |
| 16:31.12 | jamon | lol |
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| 16:31.29 | jamon | digs around for his shiny tinfoil hat |
| 16:31.44 | ma3x | how fast is encrypted partition? |
| 16:31.49 | ohgs | I take it from the lack of response that 1 firewall only has 1 external IP for everything behind it then? |
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| 16:32.15 | jamon | ma3x: maybe 5% slower sometimes, i haven't noticed on my laptop tbh |
| 16:32.30 | ribasushi | how do I determine what configure options were used when a packaged software was compiled? |
| 16:32.38 | ma3x | cool |
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| 16:32.48 | enouf | ohgs: i'm not sure what you're even asking, and not that i would know - but also try ##networking and ##linux even perhaps |
| 16:32.52 | jelly | ohgs: or that you're asking in a suboptimal place. #netfilter, #iptables |
| 16:33.08 | enouf | even better channels, sure |
| 16:33.55 | ohgs | enouf: Oh wow, ##networking, never knew- thanks for the tip! |
| 16:33.57 | enouf | ribasushi: get the source, look at the debian/control and /rules , etc |
| 16:34.00 | ribasushi | ohgs: your question is misguided at best |
| 16:34.15 | abrotman | ribasushi: the rules file |
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| 16:34.34 | jelly | baiting with "no one knows my answer" sure worked, though |
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| 16:36.00 | ma3x | how do i disable the automatic fsck after 30 boots |
| 16:36.15 | alcohol | use a condom |
| 16:36.15 | ribasushi | ma3x: tune2fs |
| 16:36.59 | ma3x | hah, are you drinking again? |
| 16:37.07 | MrWax | how can I see how big a package is that I want to install? |
| 16:37.39 | tarzeau | MrWax: with apt-cache show pkg |
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| 16:38.00 | MrWax | tahnks |
| 16:38.01 | MrWax | thanks |
| 16:38.01 | tarzeau | MrWax: the Installed-Size: |
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| 16:40.13 | MrWax | tarzeau: 2584 is like only 2.5kb, how come debian-policy file is so small, any idea? |
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| 16:41.33 | tarzeau | MrWax: that's kb not bytes |
| 16:41.47 | MrWax | ehh oops ok |
| 16:41.47 | tarzeau | MrWax: i know it sucks, one value is bytes, the other kbytes |
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| 16:41.55 | tarzeau | MrWax: don't ask me, ask #debian-devel |
| 16:42.02 | enouf | heh |
| 16:42.06 | MrWax | ah then its a lot, 2.5mb |
| 16:42.22 | MrWax | well, a lot, debian-policy is not a trivial thing I guess |
| 16:42.24 | MrWax | hehe |
| 16:42.39 | KC | what's the name of the audio output device? |
| 16:42.42 | KC | /dev/dsp? |
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| 16:43.46 | [dEbo] | If i was going to encrypt a hdd how much space would it take off. |
| 16:43.47 | tarzeau | KC: depends if you use alsa or not |
| 16:43.52 | enouf | tarzeau: hola! got a links2 handy? remember my http://git.kernel.org question? and having to reload/refresh? just curious, so i can either a) file a possible bug report, b) chalk it up to "weird shit that only happens to me" |
| 16:44.13 | hingwah | is it possible to see which application is connected to a unix socket? For example, if I do netstat -ax | grep /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 , I can only see Xorg is connected to it,but not able to see the X clients, lsof show the X clients is connected to some unix socket but there is no name assoicated with it |
| 16:44.31 | tarzeau | enouf: i have no idea, i told you to talk to the links2 authors directly, no? |
| 16:44.32 | sphenxes | if i click Applications, USB, i can see my Hama card reader which is connected through USB cable. however, i can't mount my flash card and I can't find it using fdisk -l. how can I mount my flash card? (Debian etch, Genome) |
| 16:44.35 | enouf | KC: with alsa. /dev/snd/ is usually the dir ..... |
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| 16:44.47 | KC | using alsa, yes |
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| 16:44.58 | tarzeau | KC: then it's not /dev/dsp, unless you use alsa-oss |
| 16:44.59 | enouf | tarzeau: i think you mentioned someone's nickname here, but they were silent? or .. |
| 16:45.22 | enouf | tarzeau: all i'm asking you to do is click a fucken URL and tell me what happens |
| 16:45.24 | tarzeau | enouf: clock or sushi, he's often in #linux.ch |
| 16:45.38 | tarzeau | enouf: i think i did that... already |
| 16:45.52 | enouf | then .. my bad, i don't recall |
| 16:46.31 | MrWax | Hmm, in the README in /etc/init.d/ is stated: "They must include "#!/bin/sh" at the top." but all files include #!/bin/bash - any idea what's up with this and why the difference? |
| 16:46.34 | enouf | KC: what for? you don't need to kknow the name - but do this, fire up alsamixer and hit / |
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| 16:47.38 | \amethyst | MrWax: that applies to *.sh scripts specifically |
| 16:47.48 | kfogel | On my Debian 'testing' dist box, which is completely bleeding-edge up-to-date, I can't view Chinese-language pages in Firefox anymore. For example: http://rocksun.cn/bkrpr-project-intro/. The page comes up, but all the Chinese characters show as little squares containing the Unicode code point. Is there some package I should 'apt-get install' to solve this? |
| 16:48.11 | \amethyst | MrWax: they have to include a shbang since they might be executed; however, they might be sourced by a shell other than bash, so they can't rely on bash-specific features |
| 16:48.11 | MrWax | \amethyst: ok, any idea why this is? |
| 16:48.15 | KC | enouf: shoutcast server |
| 16:48.23 | enouf | MrWax: no, just ignore it - and no, not all include #!/bin/bash - /bin/sh doesn't have bashisms, and it's meant like that, because many systems have /bin/sh as a symlink to their preferred shell |
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| 16:48.26 | KC | cause icecast isn't good enough for the guy running the relay |
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| 16:48.54 | MrWax | enouf: ok, clear |
| 16:49.22 | monkey_d_luffy | Is there any way to know what architecture my cpu is? And I mean it from a gcc point of view. For example, intel core 2 duo would be -march=nocona |
| 16:49.51 | enouf | MrWax: you realize i'm mostly just making this shit up, right? ;-) (though i'm sure part of what i said is atleast semi-truthful) |
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| 16:50.17 | MrWax | Your last line seems logical |
| 16:50.25 | MrWax | "..many systems have /bin/sh as a symlink to their preferred shell" |
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| 16:50.36 | enouf | right, atleast Debian does |
| 16:50.38 | Blackhold | hello |
| 16:50.43 | \amethyst | MrWax: from policy: if the script name ends in .sh, the script will be sourced in runlevel S rather than being run in a forked subprocess, but will be explicitly run by sh in all other runlevels. |
| 16:51.42 | enouf | like bootmisc.sh ? and hwclock.sh? |
| 16:52.05 | yporti | monkey_d_luffy, consult the safe flags on google or compile with march=native (gcc >= 4.3.0) |
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| 16:52.20 | \amethyst | MrWax: since the shell running in runlevel S that sources the scripts might not be bash, the .sh scripts cannot use bashisms. Since the scripts will be executed (rather than sourced) in the other runlevels, they must have a #! line |
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| 16:52.23 | enouf | yep, i guess so ;-) |
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| 16:52.42 | Blackhold | I've got a computer with 4 scsi disk, and 1 ide, when booting, ide disk is mounted sometimes to sda1 and other times sdd1, there's some way to identify disks and tell to udev to always mount ide as sda1? |
| 16:52.53 | \amethyst | MrWax: and since they aren't allowed to use bashisms, #! /bin/sh is the most sensible #! line |
| 16:52.57 | \amethyst | enouf: yeah |
| 16:53.29 | enouf | Blackhold: use UUIDs or LABELs |
| 16:53.47 | enouf | find them through 'blkid' or ls -l /dev/disk/* |
| 16:54.03 | Blackhold | ok |
| 16:54.05 | Blackhold | I try |
| 16:54.29 | dandc | I just updated mdadm on my lenny system, and it complained about my config... what is the correct way to say "ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-device=2"? It says unrecognized word ARRAY |
| 16:54.46 | dandc | I'm a little worried my system won't boot back up again if I don't fix it now |
| 16:54.48 | enouf | Blackhold: so, in grub you'd have root=UUID=32434354-xxxx .. and in /etc/fstab you'd have UUID=3235435-xxxx as 1st column entry |
| 16:55.13 | enouf | Blackhold: or replace UUID=2123.22.2 with LABEL=label-name |
| 16:55.20 | tdeath | i have a similar weird issue...4 x 750G sw raid0 vols, all of a sudden i cannot build/run the array saying I have corrupted/missing superblock, even after calculating the add'l 4096 size and trying alternatives nogo |
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| 16:56.03 | Blackhold | enouf: ok.. I'm looking |
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| 16:56.47 | Neaai | Hi. What is responsible for mounting automatically usb devices under lenny ? |
| 16:56.55 | enouf | !automount |
| 16:56.55 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount> |
| 16:57.01 | abrotman | many things can be |
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| 17:00.25 | Neaai | abrotman: enouf: I see. In my case actually, it works fine but for a friend it doesn't. It has worked for me since I did my vanilla standard lenny install and I want to find out what that is, so we can check my friend's system and see what he's missing. |
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| 17:00.48 | stew | i need to maybe have that mention halevt |
| 17:01.01 | enouf | halibut? |
| 17:01.05 | enouf | runs |
| 17:01.07 | \amethyst | Neaai: for one thing, make sure the user is in group 'plugdev' |
| 17:01.23 | enouf | point! |
| 17:01.50 | Neaai | \amethyst: I'll do that. |
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| 17:03.22 | Neaai | Is there any daemon I should make sure to be running? hald and udevd for example? |
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| 17:03.38 | magyar_ | looking for a IT support helpdesk software. Anyone knows of any? |
| 17:03.44 | MrWax | \amethyst enouf: so in fact, !#/bin/bash or !#/bin/sh doesn't matter if there is a symlink from /bin/sh to /bin/bash anyway? |
| 17:03.49 | \amethyst | Neaai: hal and gnome-volume-manager (or whatever the KDE equivalent is) |
| 17:04.09 | \amethyst | MrWax: it's possible to change that symlink to point to a different, faster shell |
| 17:04.13 | enouf | Neaai: udevd for sure |
| 17:04.18 | \amethyst | MrWax: dash for example |
| 17:04.22 | Neaai | \amethyst: I'll check those. Thanks for the hints. Thanks enouf too. |
| 17:04.37 | MrWax | \amethyst: is bash per definition better than sh in debian? |
| 17:04.49 | \amethyst | MrWax: it has more features |
| 17:04.49 | enouf | Neaai: hald (hal and it's many entries) .. mostly if a DE is involved, but yeah, most do have it running |
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| 17:05.30 | \amethyst | MrWax: even when /bin/sh is bash, invoking it as 'sh' instead of 'bash' turns off a few features |
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| 17:05.42 | Blackhold | enouf: thanks! it worked :D |
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| 17:06.05 | enouf | Blackhold: bravo! ;-) |
| 17:06.07 | \amethyst | MrWax: in Debian, scripts with #! /bin/sh are allowed to rely on Posix shell features plus a specific list of a couple of extra features |
| 17:06.12 | Blackhold | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.22 | enouf | heh .. attaboy! |
| 17:06.23 | Blackhold | I was almost to reinstall server! |
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| 17:06.46 | MrWax | \amethyst: ok |
| 17:06.54 | \amethyst | MrWax: if it needs more than that, it has to be #! /bin/bash (but then it's not safe to source from a /bin/sh script, which is why /etc/init.d/*.sh are not allowed to use #! /bin/bash, and hence bash-specific features) |
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| 17:07.41 | MrWax | \amethyst: so /bin/sh always have to be a symlink to a shell type (bash etc) ? |
| 17:07.44 | enouf | \amethyst: is there any reason you're leaving a space in between #! and /bin/whatever in your recent examples? |
| 17:07.46 | MrWax | \amethyst: what if it isn't? |
| 17:07.46 | stew | \amethyst: since when are /etc/init.d scripts not allowed to use #! /bin/bash ? |
| 17:08.01 | \amethyst | stew: /etc/init.d/*.sh specifically |
| 17:08.05 | enouf | you too stew!? |
| 17:08.07 | stew | oh |
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| 17:08.15 | stew | enouf: it IS historically more correct |
| 17:08.24 | enouf | hrm ... i suck |
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| 17:08.52 | stew | it used to be that "#!<space>" was the magic sequence not just "#!" |
| 17:08.57 | \amethyst | MrWax: well, it should be either a symlink to a posix shell, or an actually posix shell binary |
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| 17:09.08 | stew | but that is something older than linux afaik |
| 17:09.08 | enouf | great! it's more legible too! |
| 17:09.15 | MrWax | what means "a posix shell" ? |
| 17:09.23 | \amethyst | MrWax: if it's missing, or is a directory or some crap, the system will not work |
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| 17:09.47 | \amethyst | MrWax: Posix is the international standard for Unix-like operating systems |
| 17:09.51 | MrWax | ok |
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| 17:10.00 | MrWax | thanks for the info, will read further in the bash manual |
| 17:10.34 | \amethyst | MrWax: the Posix standard for sh is at: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html |
| 17:10.50 | \amethyst | MrWax: but it's pretty dry reading, even compared to the bash documentation :) |
| 17:10.55 | rvsjoen | somebody give me the name of a simple ncurses based app that does not need root privileges to run, nothing comes to mind atm |
| 17:11.05 | rvsjoen | pretty please with sugar on top |
| 17:11.09 | \amethyst | rvsjoen: nethack |
| 17:11.12 | bittin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.12 | rvsjoen | ty |
| 17:11.31 | \amethyst | rvsjoen: actually, top is even better |
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| 17:11.39 | rvsjoen | top is curses ? |
| 17:11.54 | \amethyst | well, it links against the curses library |
| 17:11.59 | \amethyst | I guess it might use just terminfo |
| 17:12.02 | rvsjoen | ok, then i'm out of options ^_^ |
| 17:12.36 | enouf | rvsjoen: configure-debian comes to mind |
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| 17:13.08 | enouf | maybe apt-listchanges even .. hrm |
| 17:13.20 | rvsjoen | configure-debian needs to run as root |
| 17:13.22 | hark | aptitude, htop |
| 17:13.23 | rvsjoen | :/ |
| 17:13.45 | rvsjoen | aptitude, how could I not think of that |
| 17:13.46 | enouf | rvsjoen: ahh crap -sorry |
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| 17:13.56 | rvsjoen | ok that works |
| 17:13.59 | rvsjoen | stupid shit |
| 17:14.02 | enouf | you're right - i figured what's the harm at looking ;-) |
| 17:14.47 | rvsjoen | then I suspect this is a kernel problem, i'll post to lkml tomorrow |
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| 17:15.10 | enouf | rvsjoen: make menuconfig :-P |
| 17:15.14 | rvsjoen | indeed |
| 17:15.15 | enouf | hides |
| 17:15.16 | rvsjoen | _still_ |
| 17:15.18 | rvsjoen | :p |
| 17:15.22 | rvsjoen | hate that damn thing |
| 17:15.49 | enouf | rvsjoen: yeah, well, i noticed you were config'ing a 2.6.29-rcX :-) |
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| 17:16.13 | rvsjoen | its the latest pull from linus, never suspected problems with this though |
| 17:16.47 | enouf | oh, i've had weirdo make menuconfig output in the paset with -rc versions |
| 17:17.01 | enouf | but you were experiencing it most everywhere |
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| 17:18.27 | rvsjoen | oh well, I shall live to fight the same battle another day |
| 17:18.51 | rvsjoen | with any luck its fixed by tomorrow ^_^ |
| 17:19.22 | nick_h[litage] | when are daily cron jobs run? |
| 17:19.48 | \amethyst | also, we've been halfway through the 32-bit signed epoch for a while |
| 17:19.50 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:19.51 | rvsjoen | look in /etc/crontab |
| 17:19.53 | infernix | anyone with broadcom gigabit cards? i'm getting poor performance on stock lenny with the bnx2 driver. iperf is doing only ~200 mbit |
| 17:20.05 | infernix | or does bnx2 simply suck so bad? |
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| 17:20.30 | rvsjoen | nick_h[litage] : 06:25 if it is the same as mine |
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| 17:20.41 | nick_h[litage] | rvsjoen: how did you determine that? |
| 17:21.06 | rvsjoen | 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 17:21.29 | kfogel | On my Debian 'testing' dist box, which is completely bleeding-edge up-to-date, I can't view Chinese-language pages in Firefox anymore. For example: http://rocksun.cn/bkrpr-project-intro/. The page comes up, but all the Chinese characters show as little squares containing the Unicode code point. Is there some package I should 'apt-get install' to solve this? |
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| 17:22.36 | dtcrshr | hi fellas! im with a litle problem, and dunno how to test it. iv just installed debian etch, to use as a firewall. i got 3 eth cards. 2 for the 2 adsl links, and one for the internal network. |
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| 17:22.57 | dtcrshr | one of the eth if its enables, nothing works, if i do it now i lost all my connection |
| 17:23.10 | dtcrshr | and i didnt done nothing at all, just setting the ips |
| 17:23.30 | dtcrshr | is there a way to test the connections? im sure the eth cards are ok. |
| 17:23.30 | nick_h[litage] | rvsjoen: hah, good point =P |
| 17:24.41 | nick_h[litage] | how do you set when the daily cron jobs are run? |
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| 17:25.20 | infernix | hmm, tshark is reporting loads and loads of [TCP Previous segment lost] when running iperf |
| 17:25.30 | UncleGemc | Anyone in here familiar with pmbtog3? |
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| 17:25.49 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: man 5 crontab |
| 17:26.10 | nick_h[litage] | thanks |
| 17:26.16 | enouf | nick_h[litage]: your /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly} |
| 17:27.02 | UncleGemc | I am having 1 simple problem and have googled the piss out of it and the manuals have no input for me. The output file is always a miniature of the original and impossible to see in the fax |
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| 17:28.08 | _stack | what I have to install in order to see a page like this correctly ? http://www.lxde.org/zh-tw/lxde |
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| 17:30.57 | rvsjoen | ok this shit works with sudo, normal root, with strace, ltrace, and inside a screen as a normal user.... |
| 17:31.09 | rvsjoen | are you kidding me |
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| 17:33.44 | by_debian | hi there |
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| 17:34.04 | by_debian | im new debian user |
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| 17:34.49 | boxxertrumps | hi new debian user, we were all there once |
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| 17:38.19 | rvsjoen | enouf : fyi, works with zsh, and bash --posix, so the problem seems to be in bash somewhere |
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| 17:39.09 | enouf | rvsjoen: interesting - which version do you have? |
| 17:39.36 | rvsjoen | 3.2.39(1) |
| 17:39.55 | enouf | GNU bash, version 3.1.17(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 17:40.15 | rvsjoen | still not entirely convinced though, as it works with screen and sudo, which would just fork new bash shells |
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| 17:45.10 | enouf | rvsjoen: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 17:45.21 | rvsjoen | points to bash |
| 17:45.52 | rvsjoen | im posting to the bash maintainers, will see what happens |
| 17:46.52 | monkey_d_luffy | yporti: thanks for the info! :) |
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| 17:48.04 | yporti | monkey_d_luffy, you're welcome :) |
| 17:48.21 | rvsjoen | now im going home, later |
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| 17:49.08 | enouf | rvsjoen: does update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator point to xterm as default? |
| 17:49.17 | LiENUS | is there a site showing whats changed in the debian apt repositories? |
| 17:49.27 | LiENUS | ie if theres a kernel update what was changed between it and the last one |
| 17:49.36 | rvsjoen | no, /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal.wrapper |
| 17:49.48 | enouf | LiENUS: apt-cache policy pkgname |
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| 17:49.58 | Alex00 | hello |
| 17:50.06 | Alex00 | i need some help installing ruby |
| 17:50.06 | enouf | rvsjoen: hrm, i have like 9 choices here :-P |
| 17:50.17 | rvsjoen | yeah, I have 7 |
| 17:50.25 | enouf | rvsjoen: and that one isn't on my list ;0 |
| 17:50.36 | rvsjoen | are you running xfce ? |
| 17:50.46 | Alex00 | it give me this errors /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27 |
| 17:50.49 | rvsjoen | and I really need to get moving, catch my ride home :P cya tomorrow |
| 17:50.51 | enouf | rvsjoen: not at all |
| 17:50.52 | Alex00 | :in `gem_original_require': no such file to load -- net/ssh (LoadError) |
| 17:50.54 | enouf | ok |
| 17:51.03 | Alex00 | from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in `require' |
| 17:51.09 | enouf | rvsjoen: but you might want to set it to xterm |
| 17:51.12 | LiENUS | enouf, that looks like its just telling me where its going to get updates from |
| 17:51.19 | LiENUS | not why theres an update available for it |
| 17:51.19 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.25 | Alex00 | what i need to install for ruby to work fine ? |
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| 17:51.47 | enouf | LiENUS: once you update; and run that, it'll show Installed and Available |
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| 17:52.26 | themill | LiENUS: aptitude update ; aptitude -s dist-upgrade. or /msg dpkg apt-listchanges |
| 17:52.49 | Alex00 | can help me with that errors on ruby ? |
| 17:52.53 | enouf | LiENUS: if you're using gnome or something, you might want to try some update-manager thingy - apt-cache search update manager thingy |
| 17:53.12 | LiENUS | themill, thank you |
| 17:53.21 | LiENUS | apt-listchanges looks like what i want |
| 17:53.32 | enouf | no, it's not |
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| 17:53.34 | enouf | :-) |
| 17:53.58 | enouf | LiENUS: apt-listchanges shows the changelogs just prior to installing and can email them too |
| 17:54.11 | themill | you can also cancel the installation though |
| 17:54.14 | enouf | maybe apt-show-versions |
| 17:54.32 | LiENUS | enouf, the version information really doesnt tell me much of anything |
| 17:54.40 | themill | enouf: it's the changelog that he wants to see |
| 17:54.43 | LiENUS | i see that libc6-xen is exactly the same version except with +b1 on the end |
| 17:54.43 | enouf | but you have to tell us whether or not you plan on mixing releases |
| 17:55.01 | LiENUS | which really doesnt tell me anything more than its a newer version |
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| 17:55.26 | stew | LiENUS: its a newer build of the same version |
| 17:55.30 | enouf | "what's changed" to me meant "what pkgs (have changed) are new" .. newer versions avai;able |
| 17:55.34 | Alex00 | any help for me ? |
| 17:55.44 | enouf | guess i misunderstand bringlish |
| 17:55.51 | stew | LiENUS: so the source didn't change, it was rebuilt with the same source against newer libraries |
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| 17:56.06 | themill | enouf: [17:49] <LiENUS> ie if theres a kernel update what was changed between it and the last one |
| 17:56.19 | enouf | themill: yes, a NEW kernel pkg |
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| 17:56.25 | enouf | otherwise it's not an update |
| 17:56.32 | themill | *sigh* |
| 17:56.41 | enouf | grah |
| 17:56.59 | enouf | !8ball can i please have some bringlish lessons? |
| 17:56.59 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
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| 17:57.59 | enouf | LiENUS: my bad then - i misunderstood what you were looking for |
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| 17:59.11 | zack23 | today libc6 was updated in debian etch - do I have to recompile some custom tools or should I be okay? |
| 17:59.21 | Alex00 | some help for me plz |
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| 18:00.40 | enouf | judd: versions ruby |
| 18:00.42 | judd | enouf: ruby -- etch: 1.8.2-1 lenny: 4.2 sid: 4.2 |
| 18:01.05 | Alex00 | yes, help me with that ruby errors |
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| 18:01.22 | enouf | Alex00: why are you compiling? i have no idea about anything ruby |
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| 18:01.39 | Alex00 | i compile a ruby script |
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| 18:01.47 | enouf | Alex00: uname -r |
| 18:02.00 | Alex00 | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 18:02.09 | khaleel5000 | how do i know which packages are installed oon my system |
| 18:02.14 | enouf | oh - might get better help in ruby related channels Alex00 |
| 18:02.22 | halflife08 | khaleel5000: dpkg -l |
| 18:02.31 | enouf | !selections |
| 18:02.31 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
| 18:02.37 | Alex00 | ok |
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| 18:06.54 | LiENUS | erm themill i'm not seeing how to configure apt-listchanges to work when doing an update |
| 18:07.03 | hark | khaleel5000: aptitude search ~i |
| 18:07.16 | hark | LiENUS: dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges |
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| 18:08.37 | Neaai | Hi. I was thinking, as I have read in several places that vanilla standard debian installations are not very fit for production usage, and several of them pointed on ways how to harden such a system. Now my thought was, as there are many cases where debian is used in production, how easy/hard would be a utility (or a small .deb package) to do the routine hardening or at least some barebones of it? |
| 18:09.49 | enouf | !tell Neaai -about harden-doc |
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| 18:11.04 | dtcrshr | well |
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| 18:11.29 | enouf | Neaai: if you want to start messing with patching your own kernel - have at it - but depends what you mean; i mean using Xen to isolate and confine users (and resources each can use) might be an option too |
| 18:11.40 | enouf | and there are many other ways |
| 18:12.25 | Nwallins | Hi, I have a software system (homegrown) that is designed to be used by a normal user. it involves importing flat files from a data source. I want to make these files generally accessible for other users (of the software system) per their group. is /var the right place to store the data, or is that for system/admin use only? |
| 18:13.04 | Nwallins | any user of the system can initiate the download, so /home does not seem like a good place |
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| 18:13.36 | jamon | Nwallins: try /var/local |
| 18:13.49 | Nwallins | jamon: will do, thanks |
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| 18:14.00 | deus___ | bye |
| 18:14.25 | Neaai | enouf: I see. What I was thinking was something not as extreme though, even if it's one of the best ways to it. I was thinking more like say a package that would ask questions and do some initial starts on hardening, based on the answers given, as in "this is a webserver? Will it have databases?" and so on. |
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| 18:14.44 | khaleel5000 | i want to give ext4 a try (on lenny/sid ) is there any chance of new kernel being released with ext4 support? |
| 18:15.02 | abrotman | khaleel5000: technically already there |
| 18:15.09 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: technically? |
| 18:15.26 | nick_h[litage] | ps is reporting that ~25 splunkd processes are eating 21% of my memory. am i right in assuming that means that all of them, together, are using 21%?: http://pastie.org/385184 |
| 18:15.29 | jamon | Neaai: i think bastille has an interactive type setup |
| 18:16.12 | enouf | Neaai: well, you might want to look at tasksel, so as to choose/install only the needed software to run it .. but other than that, i can't think of anything more central, other than what i mentioned and say the debian reference - and other writings/manuals, but note; most docs are in /usr/share/doc |
| 18:16.45 | enouf | Neaai: for ex; "tasksel --task-packages web-server" |
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| 18:17.26 | enouf | Neaai: "tasksel --list-tasks" |
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| 18:17.30 | Neaai | jamon: I see, i'll have a look at it. enouf: I get your point |
| 18:17.30 | s_20 | hi. |
| 18:17.43 | s_20 | does anyone know if a new kernel image will come to debian (sid? experimental?) soon(ish)? i just got a new hard drive and would like to give ext4 a go, but 2.6.26 isn't exactly the best choice then i suppose |
| 18:18.21 | stew | s_20: soon after lenny releases |
| 18:18.31 | s_20 | stew: any news on that? ;) |
| 18:18.44 | enouf | Neaai: i'm not coming up with much offhand - ask later as well if nobody else chimes in - see debian-administration.org is another suggest |
| 18:18.45 | stew | s_20: yes, /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 18:20.28 | Neaai | enouf: I surely will. My question comes more from the need when you have to install systems many times and there are processes that are repeated. |
| 18:20.35 | s_20 | stew: that was actually very useful, thank you :D |
| 18:20.51 | enouf | Neaai: other than that, you might want to install and use some sort of iptables frontend (as a firewall) and ensure you disable any unneeded services from running, even though they're installed - /msg dpkg rcconf |
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| 18:21.14 | abrotman | khabah |
| 18:21.46 | enouf | Neaai: you might want to also /msg dpkg preseeding (for that) |
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| 18:22.49 | enouf | Neaai: if the hardware is the same (mostly) also see the systemimage-* pkgs perhaps - heck, clone the systems |
| 18:22.58 | Neaai | enouf: thanks again. I'm checking all these in the meantime |
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| 18:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | khabah? is that some sort of chocolate drink? |
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| 18:25.58 | bilbo82 | hi i've been looking at the details of syslog online (mostly man pages), I have not been able to determine how to configure logs such that they archive when a given size has been reached. Can someone point me to the right direction? |
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| 18:27.17 | shabble | bilbo82: I think that's a job for 'logrotate' |
| 18:27.35 | enouf | or syslog-ng, but i haven't messed with it |
| 18:27.40 | shabble | see http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/logrotate8.html |
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| 18:28.29 | bilbo82 | thanks guys/gals :) |
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| 18:30.02 | dtcrshr | hi there. i got 2 internet connections on my debian box. if i set up both of them, all the traffic goes down. how do i set to use both eths/ |
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| 18:30.39 | quique_ | dtcrchr: load balancing |
| 18:30.53 | quique_ | check out shorewall |
| 18:31.04 | quique_ | it's in the repos |
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| 18:32.22 | quique_ | they also have a site with a bunch of howtos: http://www.shorewall.net/MultiISP.html |
| 18:32.54 | quique_ | this link if for a multinic router, but you could adapt it to your needs |
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| 18:33.14 | dtcrshr | shorewall, ill do that |
| 18:33.15 | dtcrshr | thanks |
| 18:33.35 | simonrvn | dtcrshr: it's because in that setup, you can't use default routes in a single-homed way, you gotta set it up multi-homed. |
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| 18:34.15 | dtcrshr | hmm.. ill take a look at shorewall. actually, i just need to share this connections, the load balance isnt quite in firs plan |
| 18:34.25 | dtcrshr | ill read some about, thanks |
| 18:34.28 | dtcrshr | multi homed, shorewall |
| 18:34.49 | simonrvn | shorewall can do that i'm pretty sure |
| 18:35.26 | dtcrshr | hm |
| 18:35.41 | dtcrshr | how do i set to the programs i get through synaptic, go straight to the start menu? |
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| 18:36.02 | dtcrshr | or i have to put everyone by hand on the alacarte |
| 18:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | quique_, but it's shorewall-shell now! |
| 18:36.12 | quique_ | aptitude install shorewall |
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| 18:36.15 | simonrvn | dtcrshr: install menu package |
| 18:36.17 | quique_ | well it depends |
| 18:36.38 | quique_ | the newest version is shorewall-perl 4.2.5 |
| 18:37.28 | quique_ | it compiles way faster |
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| 18:37.28 | quique_ | but the version in the repos is old v3.2 |
| 18:37.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean etch... |
| 18:37.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but thats... so nearly oldstable :-P |
| 18:38.02 | quique_ | CutMeOwnThroat: but you're right you can install 4.2.5 shorewall-shell to have the old bash compiler |
| 18:38.17 | dtcrshr | hm.. shorewall its CLI only? |
| 18:38.20 | quique_ | yeah etch is stable |
| 18:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | quique_, shorewall in lenny is a dummy package which pulls in shorewall-shell |
| 18:38.39 | dtcrshr | i have to put this up today... seems i gotta read a lot aheuhaue |
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| 18:39.00 | quique_ | dtcrchr: yeah CLI only |
| 18:39.32 | quique_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I've only installed lenny on a play box what's the version in the lenny repos? |
| 18:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, version shorewall |
| 18:39.50 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 18:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 18:39.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions shorewall |
| 18:39.57 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: shorewall -- etch: 3.2.6-2 sid: 4.0.14-4 lenny: 4.0.15-1 sid: 4.0.15-1 |
| 18:40.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions shorewall-shell |
| 18:40.21 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: shorewall-shell -- sid: 4.0.14-2 lenny: 4.0.15-1 sid: 4.0.15-1 |
| 18:40.23 | stew | judd: versions shorewall-perl |
| 18:40.23 | judd | stew: shorewall-perl -- sid: 4.0.14-5 lenny: 4.0.15-1 sid: 4.0.15-1 |
| 18:40.27 | quique_ | does that pull from the peopleconnector repos? |
| 18:40.33 | simonrvn | woo |
| 18:40.37 | stew | grr |
| 18:40.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... sid twice |
| 18:40.40 | simonrvn | pats judd |
| 18:40.41 | stew | yeah |
| 18:40.41 | enouf | stew: ! |
| 18:40.43 | enouf | :-) |
| 18:40.56 | enouf | just notifying you ... but late :-p |
| 18:41.10 | simonrvn | hey stew |
| 18:41.19 | simonrvn | hey other people |
| 18:41.21 | stew | hi |
| 18:41.32 | duckx | hy hy |
| 18:41.40 | enouf | aloha |
| 18:41.56 | duckx | Someone should put seahorse-plugins out of NEW .... |
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| 18:42.17 | faffi | anyone have thoughts on how to find a jr sysadmin job :P |
| 18:43.25 | shabble | find a junior sysadmin, and kill them ;p |
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| 18:44.41 | faffi | thanks shabble :D |
| 18:44.57 | quique_ | odesk.com |
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| 18:47.16 | XTF | Hi. Does anyone know where "kernel: nf_conntrack: table full, dropping packet." comes from? I've no idea where conntrack gets enabled in Lenny. |
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| 18:49.00 | enouf | modinfo nf[tab][tab] should show interesting things ;-) |
| 18:49.19 | quique_ | XTF; in the kernel |
| 18:49.23 | quique_ | it's a module |
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| 18:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what's so interesting about nff2rad? |
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| 18:50.56 | enouf | ~$ modprobe -l nf_conntrack* | wc -l |
| 18:50.57 | enouf | 17 |
| 18:51.10 | XTF | quique_: Yes, so where does it get loaded? AFAIK it's not there by default. |
| 18:51.46 | XTF | Ah, great: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
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| 18:56.36 | kfogel | On my Debian 'testing' dist box, which is completely bleeding-edge up-to-date, I can't view Chinese-language pages in Firefox anymore. For example: http://rocksun.cn/bkrpr-project-intro/. The page comes up, but all the Chinese characters show as little squares containing the Unicode code point. Is there some package I should 'apt-get install' to solve this? |
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| 18:58.10 | quique_ | XTF; what are you using? etch o lenny? and what kernel? |
| 18:58.56 | quique_ | XTF; also what are you tying to do? |
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| 18:59.11 | nick_h[litage] | when using ps, how do you hide threads? |
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| 19:00.11 | XTF | quique_: Lenny with 2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 (installed by host) |
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| 19:00.20 | XTF | I'd like to uninstall that module |
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| 19:04.12 | quique_ | XTF: is this a NAT gateway? |
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| 19:06.24 | XTF | quique_: No, it's a normal dedicated internet server with a high new connection rate |
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| 19:07.13 | KEBA | hello |
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| 19:08.13 | KEBA | when will lenny be released? some sources say 14/2, is that right? |
| 19:08.44 | quique_ | XTF: seems like the kernel has run out of slots to track connections |
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| 19:09.25 | quique_ | XTF: you should do a tcpdump on that machine. some one may be attacking it |
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| 19:09.44 | ameyer | KEBA: what I'm seeing is "the weekend of February 14th" |
| 19:09.56 | KEBA | ameyer: thx |
| 19:09.58 | ameyer | guesses they mean February 14, 2010 |
| 19:10.07 | KEBA | lol |
| 19:10.34 | ameyer | I mean, it hasn't even been 2 years since Etch was released |
| 19:11.20 | XTF | quique_: No, the high connection rate is expected, I just need to disable that module or increase it's capacity. |
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| 19:13.22 | monkey_d_luffy | how do you check if a function is in a library file? (.a extension) Is it with ar? objdump? |
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| 19:14.41 | enouf | i'd go with readelf and objdump |
| 19:14.45 | abrotman | strings! |
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| 19:14.57 | enouf | hack! |
| 19:15.01 | enouf | :-p |
| 19:15.06 | quique_ | XTF; # modprobe ip_conntrack hashsize=$HASHSIZE |
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| 19:16.15 | quique_ | XTF: i recommend you read this site: http://www.wallfire.org/misc/netfilter_conntrack_perf.txt |
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| 19:16.23 | sackhacker | hi, can anyone tell me where i find the 2.6.26-1-xen-686 sources? |
| 19:16.36 | abrotman | i don't tihnk they're separatted aynmore ? |
| 19:16.41 | abrotman | smacks his fingers |
| 19:16.59 | sackhacker | i like to compile nvidia on this kernel |
| 19:17.29 | quique_ | sackhacker: just install the headers |
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| 19:19.47 | sackhacker | i installed the headers but this seems not to be enough |
| 19:19.58 | sackhacker | If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure |
| 19:19.58 | sackhacker | you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel |
| 19:19.58 | sackhacker | installed on your system. |
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| 19:21.12 | KC | what is the command to get a listing of the phyical hardware ids? |
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| 19:21.21 | KC | lspci? |
| 19:21.30 | enouf | KC: lspci -nn if you want for PCI |
| 19:21.51 | enouf | KC: lshw too - lspci -n for less info |
| 19:22.01 | sackhacker | Unable to determine the target kernel version |
| 19:22.04 | enouf | well .. no names |
| 19:22.06 | sackhacker | what can i do? |
| 19:22.40 | enouf | sackhacker: you might need to tell it subarch=xen or something ; what's uname -r say? |
| 19:22.50 | KC | ok, so now I need to figure out how to get an Intel G31 chipsets graphics working |
| 19:22.57 | sackhacker | 2.6.26-1-xen-686 |
| 19:23.43 | sackhacker | make SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-xen-686/ subarch=2.6.26-1-xen-686 module ?? |
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| 19:25.04 | enouf | make ? |
| 19:25.06 | XTF | quique_: So hashsize was the wrong var. ;) |
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| 19:26.15 | quique_ | XTF: what do you mean? |
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| 19:27.10 | quique_ | XTF: CONNTRACK_MAX? |
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| 19:29.12 | DexterF | hi |
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| 19:30.45 | peleg | I have added *.local.domain to /etc/hosts and restarted apache; I thought that this is all I should do in order to be able to ping x.local.domain, assuming I have ServerAlias *.local.domain in the relevant virtual host |
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| 19:30.45 | jzhou | recent channel traffic is quite abnormal |
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| 19:30.46 | peleg | What did I miss? |
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| 19:30.46 | DexterF | lenny in vmware: ran upgrade yesterday, rebooted, now X res is bogus tho I stated 1280x1024 explicitly in xorg.conf. it's running IceWM and I have no clue how to change res. pointers? |
| 19:31.02 | chomwitt | hi. purging liferea in lenny doesnt remove somehow the old feeds. is it a gconf thing? |
| 19:31.12 | peleg | Is it an apache issue, or a debian one? |
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| 19:32.10 | LooieENG | how do I open a .bz2 file? not .tar.bz2, just .bz2 |
| 19:32.21 | Guerin | LooieENG: bunzip2 |
| 19:32.40 | hannes__ | a game just locked up and i could only get out by alt-sysrq-r,alt-sysrq-s,ctrl-alt-f2 and killing the process |
| 19:32.53 | LooieENG | E: Couldn't find package bunzip2 :( |
| 19:32.55 | hannes__ | now if i go back to x it freezes again and i have to do the same procedure |
| 19:33.01 | LooieENG | can I do it with tar, bzip2, or something else? |
| 19:33.02 | hannes__ | any idea how i can fix this? |
| 19:33.13 | abrotman | chomwitt: purge removes systemwide settings, not personal settings |
| 19:33.21 | hannes__ | in the x server (xfce) i can get no keys or mouse input |
| 19:33.24 | abrotman | LooieENG: man bzip2 |
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| 19:33.49 | chomwitt | abrotman: thanks for tip. i'll check |
| 19:34.09 | hannes__ | music still plays though :> |
| 19:34.38 | LooieENG | guess not then :( |
| 19:35.13 | abrotman | did oyu even read the man page? |
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| 19:36.50 | LooieENG | oh, didn't know there was more :S |
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| 19:37.24 | paxcoder | did anyone ever hear of and managed to play a pnm (portable anymap format)? |
| 19:37.41 | KC | can anyone help with getting graphics acceleration to work on a intel graphics chipset? |
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| 19:37.44 | paxcoder | Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_anymap |
| 19:37.47 | KC | GMA 3100 |
| 19:37.48 | jelly | paxcoder: play? |
| 19:38.13 | jelly | paxcoder: it sounds like an image format. |
| 19:38.40 | paxcoder | jelly: yeah, but i found it in .rm (Real Media) container [I guess as much: .rm is an extension] |
| 19:38.43 | jelly | KC: which debian release? |
| 19:38.45 | LooieENG | thanks abrotman |
| 19:38.50 | KC | Lenny |
| 19:39.07 | jelly | KC: what seems to be the problem? |
| 19:39.31 | paxcoder | jelly: Re: http://web.mit.edu/jmorzins/www/knuth/gac.html |
| 19:39.51 | KC | any time I try to do anything involving graphics, the system slows way way down, and the processor monitor shows 100% |
| 19:39.56 | KC | this includes 2d stuff |
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| 19:40.13 | jelly | KC: an example? |
| 19:40.24 | unitypunk | i need some help with samba |
| 19:40.32 | KC | screensavers with 3d, pretty much any non sdl game |
| 19:40.38 | KC | some SDL based games |
| 19:40.56 | unitypunk | i can see the computer but when i try to get in to see the files its shareing it asks for a password |
| 19:41.16 | KC | also fancy desktop enviornment stuff |
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| 19:41.33 | jelly | KC: ok. For 3D, you need to use intel driver for Xorg if it isn't used already, and have libgl1-mesa-dri installed |
| 19:41.33 | quique_ | unitypunk: security:SHARE |
| 19:41.47 | unitypunk | huh? |
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| 19:41.59 | jelly | KC: if you're using a compositing window manager like compiz, that's 3D as well |
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| 19:42.08 | quique_ | unitypunk: in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 19:42.37 | mc68040 | KC: i had to add a 'Driver "intel"' to my xorg.conf, because xorg didnt recognize the chipset and used the vesa driver |
| 19:42.46 | zack23 | What is this DNS Cache Poisoning warnings I am getting from our Debian etch server - is there some fix? |
| 19:42.47 | KC | both of those are already installed |
| 19:43.00 | KC | lemme check xorg.conf though |
| 19:43.05 | unitypunk | looking at it quique_ |
| 19:43.14 | simonrvn | zack23: just make sure you're up to date |
| 19:43.15 | unitypunk | aam i looking for that specific line? |
| 19:43.17 | KC | mc68040: can you be more specific? |
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| 19:43.47 | zack23 | simonrvn: I am - however, for some reason still gets picked up by a security audit. Hmm - is it some setting in a conf file? |
| 19:43.47 | jelly | paxcoder: those .rm files are just playlists, pointing to streams, like pnm://media.cmpnet.com/technetcast/tnc_mit_dk_01.rm |
| 19:43.52 | SerajewelKS | does gpg's --export-secret-key option export the public key as well, or will i have to export both to make a copy of the entire key? |
| 19:44.13 | jelly | paxcoder: so that pnm isn't .pnm image format, but a streaming protocol of some sort |
| 19:44.39 | jelly | KC: pastebin your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:44.40 | paxcoder | jelly: yeah. Totem says I'm missing a plugin for it |
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| 19:45.13 | mc68040 | KC: check what driver is used in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:45.27 | jelly | paxcoder: are you sure those streams still work? |
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| 19:45.50 | paxcoder | jelly: *shrugs* everything else seems to be broken, so who probably not. |
| 19:46.00 | paxcoder | jelly: thx anyway |
| 19:46.11 | Akuw | hi |
| 19:46.12 | KC | http://pastebin.com/m18c149fc |
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| 19:46.56 | Akuw | i am using Firestarter, and every time i try to use google is blocked, but another web pages and chat is ok |
| 19:47.01 | jelly | paxcoder: eg. mplayer just sits at Connecting to server media.cmpnet.com[66.77.26.4]: 7070... |
| 19:47.02 | mc68040 | KC: lol, look at line 69 :) |
| 19:47.17 | karsten | Installing a new system, looking at BIOS. ATA or AHCI for SATA operating mode? |
| 19:47.18 | abrotman | KC: you're using the VESA driver .. what is your video card? |
| 19:47.21 | quique_ | unitypunk: read this: http://www.debuntu.org/guest-file-sharing-with-samba |
| 19:47.21 | KC | so change that to intel? |
| 19:47.25 | KC | intel gma 3100 |
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| 19:47.50 | abrotman | KC: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel .. then change that to intel |
| 19:47.55 | jelly | paxcoder: that domain technetcast.com is squatted, presumably dead. You might have some luck at archive.org if you're really interested |
| 19:47.55 | abrotman | it might work better |
| 19:47.58 | KC | thats already installed |
| 19:48.02 | paxcoder | jelly: darnit. first vid like this not found youtube *shakes head* |
| 19:48.16 | paxcoder | jelly: i doubt they store vids (streams!?). |
| 19:48.18 | mc68040 | KC: then change to intel |
| 19:48.19 | karsten | HW is Dell Latitude D8309 |
| 19:48.21 | karsten | HW is Dell Latitude D830 |
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| 19:48.27 | unitypunk | i dont mind it asking for a password |
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| 19:48.36 | unitypunk | but i have no idea what password/user to use |
| 19:48.42 | KC | right, restarting X |
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| 19:49.08 | maru | karsten: AHCI |
| 19:49.15 | karsten | maru: tx |
| 19:49.24 | karsten | WTF is "Flash Cache Module"? |
| 19:49.58 | chomwitt | abrotman: i thought that if i remove the ~/.liferea dir i'd have a clean install but i did it and old feeds still there!!! |
| 19:50.15 | abrotman | chomwitt: i don't use it .. |
| 19:50.32 | chomwitt | abrotman: ok. sorry |
| 19:50.44 | Akuw | abrotman: |
| 19:50.45 | jelly | karsten: Intel and MS had a system to use about 1GB of onboard flash and fill it with the data needed for boot |
| 19:50.55 | Akuw | abrotman: i am using Firestarter, and every time i try to use google is blocked, but another web pages and chat is ok |
| 19:51.10 | abrotman | chomwitt: i was just telling you what purge did |
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| 19:51.12 | jelly | karsten: I think it works in Vista, possibly XP too |
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| 19:51.23 | sputnick | hi there |
| 19:51.28 | abrotman | Akuw: yu'd have to paste all your firewall rules somewhere |
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| 19:51.52 | KC | Note to self |
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| 19:51.56 | sputnick | I've lost all my TTYs. Any clue ? I'm running Lenny on a laptop aceraspire 5610 |
| 19:52.07 | KC | The problem is *always* with xorg |
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| 19:52.20 | KC | *xorg.conf rather |
| 19:52.22 | abrotman | KC: etch or lenny ? |
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| 19:52.44 | sputnick | KC: me ? |
| 19:52.46 | KC | lenny/sid/experimental hybrid (cause I'm running KDE 4) |
| 19:52.56 | jelly | karsten: I _think_ this is the marketing name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Turbo_Memory |
| 19:52.57 | KC | but it used to be etch |
| 19:52.58 | abrotman | KC: you probably shouldn't even have an xorg.conf .. |
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| 19:53.02 | mc68040 | KC: destop or laptop system? |
| 19:53.06 | KC | desktop |
| 19:53.10 | KC | its already fixed though |
| 19:53.22 | KC | I just changed 'vesa' to 'intel' in xorg.conf |
| 19:53.23 | karsten | jelly: So: disable? |
| 19:53.37 | abrotman | i'm just saying .. if oyu leave your xorg.conf blank, it may automagically figure it all out with better options than you've chosen |
| 19:53.54 | mc68040 | abrotman: not on my toshiba laptop... |
| 19:53.56 | KC | Will have to try that next time I have a problem |
| 19:54.07 | KC | though its automagic version is the problem I think |
| 19:54.18 | jelly | karsten: I've no idea what happens if you enable it; will likely look like any flash device |
| 19:54.23 | KC | etch didn't have drivers for the chipset, which is why I'm on Lenny |
| 19:54.43 | Neaai | good night all. I'm off |
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| 19:54.51 | KC | apparently the config didn't regenerate after the upgrade |
| 19:55.22 | jelly | karsten: and I doubt Debian installer or Debian itself know how to use it for its intended purpose |
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| 19:55.37 | jelly | KC: which KDE are you running, 4.2? |
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| 19:55.45 | KC | jelly: yes |
| 19:56.07 | jelly | KC: debian-kde people say that thing only works on sid, _not_ lenny/sid |
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| 19:56.25 | KC | debian-kde people do not have my google-fu skills |
| 19:56.43 | jelly | debian-kde people WROTE AND PACKAGED that thing. |
| 19:56.55 | jelly | they might have a clue about the requirements |
| 19:56.55 | KC | there's a way to config apt so it fetching things from sid if it needs them though |
| 19:57.00 | jelly | I know. |
| 19:57.14 | jelly | just don't expect it to be stable or anything |
| 19:57.17 | chomwitt | abrotman: i understand what u said so i remove it manually. so my question is where does liferea found the old feeds after purging pkg and manually removing ./liferea dir? |
| 19:57.27 | KC | more stable than KDE 3 was actually |
| 19:57.49 | KC | the new RSS reader glitched out for a sec, but the only real problems have been missing feature ones |
| 19:57.50 | jelly | KC: did you pastebin Xorg.0.log? |
| 19:57.57 | KC | no |
| 19:58.06 | KC | someone gave me a solution before I needed to |
| 19:58.14 | jelly | oh, great then |
| 19:58.26 | jelly | missed it. |
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| 19:58.34 | samuel | hello guys |
| 19:58.49 | abrotman | chomwitt: i say again .. i don't use it |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | mc68040: may .. important word |
| 19:59.11 | samuel | I know how to configure a computer to use a manual address, but is there a way to configure using dhcp but with a manual address? |
| 19:59.19 | chomwitt | ok. sorry again. |
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| 20:00.40 | jelly | samuel: dhcp servers can be told to give out always the same IP to the machine with a particular MAC address. |
| 20:01.27 | samuel | jelly: problem is I dont have access to the dhcp server, I was just told to use an "automatic configuration with manual address" |
| 20:02.15 | jelly | samuel: ask them what they meant. |
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| 20:02.40 | jelly | samuel: did they also give you the address to use? |
| 20:02.44 | samuel | yes |
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| 20:03.22 | maco | i see that debian replaced spim with gxemul on the basis that gxemul has more features. reading the docs, it seems to be missing the ability to execute assembly instructions (i requires binaries), which was (AFAIK) spim's entire purpose |
| 20:03.39 | mc68040 | abrotman: you are right, im only a bit frustrated about xorg, hal, s2ram, pm-suspend quirks, ... |
| 20:04.02 | maco | does anyone know if there's a way to "trick" gxemul into executing assembly? |
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| 20:04.33 | jelly | samuel: then they probably mean to set up the address manually and fetch the dns servers from dhcp. I'm not sure how to do this in Debian, but you can configure the network for dhcp first, then take note of the configured name servers, then down the network and configure it manually with your ip address and those same dns servers. |
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| 20:06.32 | samuel | jelly: thats what I have done, but I was hoping to see if there was something that can do this automatically |
| 20:06.38 | samuel | oh well, thanks |
| 20:07.12 | sputnick | is anybody knows why sometimes my keyboard do strange thinks like if I press altGr a long time ? that hapens randomly... I'm runing Lenny |
| 20:07.33 | jelly | "don't do that then" |
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| 20:10.51 | TheOne1 | any apt pinning gurus here? |
| 20:11.06 | TheOne1 | Odd problem on a sarge -> etch upgrade: My local package archive is no longer picked up in a pinning on o=. apt-cache policy is here: http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/5640 . |
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| 20:17.09 | abrotman | TheOne1: we'd need to see your preferences file and your sources.list also |
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| 20:19.10 | haxi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:19.30 | tarzeau | haxi: amsn + webcam works |
| 20:19.40 | tarzeau | haxi: on mac os x as well as on linux |
| 20:19.58 | tarzeau | haxi: if you can't get the driver for your webcam to work, that's not amsn's fault |
| 20:20.05 | jelly | TheOne1: and the repo's Release file for sarge and etch, if possible |
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| 20:20.43 | TheOne1 | just a sec |
| 20:20.53 | haxi | tarzeau: when I configure my webcam thru amsn webcam config the preview works well |
| 20:21.13 | jelly | TheOne1: possibly the best description of issues with pinning I found so far: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html |
| 20:21.19 | tarzeau | haxi: a/s/l? |
| 20:21.22 | haxi | but when I try to send the webcam to a friend (or to receive), the guy see a blank image and then it's not working |
| 20:21.35 | jelly | tarzeau: 40/m/fbi |
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| 20:22.06 | haxi | tarzeau: why do you need my asl. |
| 20:22.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: how does osx relate to getting it working on debian ? |
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| 20:22.37 | TheOne1 | jelly, thanks, but that looks pretty much like what I've dealt with. |
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| 20:22.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: he asked about a nix msn client |
| 20:22.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: try to be helpful .. jeez |
| 20:23.37 | haxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.43 | haxi | I wonder why. |
| 20:24.48 | mc68040 | haxi: u have the correct NAT settings on your router? |
| 20:25.15 | TheOne1 | preference file: http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/5641 |
| 20:25.15 | TheOne1 | release file: http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/5642 |
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| 20:25.53 | abrotman | TheOne1: sources.list ? |
| 20:25.56 | TheOne1 | The odd thing is that this same archive looks fine under sarge, but not under etch |
| 20:26.35 | haxi | mc68040: I guess, it was working before my debian reinstall two weeks ago, and I ain't touched my router. |
| 20:26.48 | TheOne1 | http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/5643 |
| 20:28.32 | TheOne1 | The wierd part is that under etch, bp.o still gets the full details of the Release under apt-cache policy, but my local archive, which hasn't changed configuration, looks fine under sarge, but under etch I only get the 'c=test' |
| 20:28.55 | TheOne1 | or 'c=local' |
| 20:28.56 | abrotman | doesn't the pinning name hve to match? etch is etch .. not etch is stable ? |
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| 20:29.54 | TheOne1 | well, in this case, the pin I care about is the 0=Gamelogic pin |
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| 20:30.21 | TheOne1 | I can clean up any other issues as needed. |
| 20:30.35 | GhostInTheShell | anyone running Debian on HP Compaq laptop? |
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| 20:31.53 | abrotman | GhostInTheShell: ask a real question please |
| 20:32.11 | TheOne1 | I also have a workaround, which is to use Pin: origin foo", but this is less than ideal, as I then have to have 'foo' resolve everywhere, or else change the preferences depending on what host it's hitting |
| 20:32.27 | GhostInTheShell | i had problems with suspend on such laptop, it's halting after suspend and i cannot wake up the OS |
| 20:32.39 | abrotman | !tell GhostInTheShell about laptop |
| 20:32.52 | GhostInTheShell | abrotman: 10x |
| 20:33.04 | themill | dpkg: tell GhostInTheShell about suspend troubleshooting |
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| 20:33.48 | xst | I have a server hosted as a co-location at a certain provider. This provider takes about 52 USD per year to enable reverse DNS lookup for my IP. Is that a fair price? |
| 20:34.06 | abrotman | depends how useful it is for you |
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| 20:35.55 | xst | abrotman: some email servers refuse to accept emails if they cannot make a reverse lookup on the IP |
| 20:36.15 | Maior | xst: so use a different smtp server |
| 20:36.40 | xst | I am just curious if this is a normal thing to charge for |
| 20:36.49 | xst | or if it should be a free service |
| 20:36.59 | TheOne1 | A good hosting provider shouldn't charge more than a nominal fee to provide RDNS. |
| 20:37.16 | TheOne1 | and it really should be a non-recurring charge |
| 20:37.24 | xst | but what is "a normal fee"? |
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| 20:37.30 | TheOne1 | It doesn't cost anything to maintain. |
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| 20:38.35 | mc68040 | GhostInTheShell: if you have the right s2ram settings (i need -f -p -s) have a look in /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/ |
| 20:38.40 | TheOne1 | I don't know what is reasonable, but I wouldn't pay more than about $50 once. |
| 20:38.50 | TheOne1 | I certainly wouldn't pay $50/mo. |
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| 20:39.08 | abrotman | xst: i know that .. i'm asking you how valuable it is to you .. we don't control our RDNS unforunately (though i do set it up) .. and we have very few problems with email getting delivered because the RDNS doesn't match |
| 20:39.21 | TheOne1 | my current provider does/did not charge for the RDNS record setup. |
| 20:39.30 | xst | TheOne1: The price is $52/year |
| 20:39.36 | xst | which I still think is expensive |
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| 20:39.56 | TheOne1 | I would consider ANY recurring charge for that to be too high. |
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| 20:40.11 | TheOne1 | It is a one-time setup. |
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| 20:41.03 | TheOne1 | and any colo worth the name should be able to set it up without charge, or for a small one-time charge. |
| 20:41.13 | themill | TheOne1: things are charged for what they're worth to you not what they cost to provide. Particularly in a monopolist position (which is true for rdns). |
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| 20:41.53 | TheOne1 | And if someone wanted to cahrge me that, I'd find another hosting provider. |
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| 20:42.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hello homies |
| 20:42.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :) |
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| 20:43.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, so what do they charge for air these days? |
| 20:44.56 | rjent_ | I am stuck attempting to push to git.debian.org with the following http://gist.github.com/61431 Any ideas would be appreciated. fwiw: I can push to other projects at git.debian.org but not this one. |
| 20:44.57 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: fortunately, there's not a monopolist supplier. |
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| 20:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, or drinking water for that matter... |
| 20:46.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. tapwater |
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| 20:47.47 | DammitJim | good afternoon |
| 20:47.53 | DammitJim | can someone help me with configuring a Dell Wireless 410 bluetooth adapter in lenny? |
| 20:47.53 | Akuw | LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so [/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so)] |
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| 20:48.54 | DammitJim | or can you point me in the right direction? |
| 20:48.58 | DammitJim | I've been googling with no avail |
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| 20:49.43 | Wowbagger_ | I'm trying to get java working in iceweasel.. I've installed sun-java6-plugin and I see it using about:plugins, but when I go to a java page I just get the coffee cup appearing and nothing happens... any ideas? |
| 20:50.04 | Wowbagger_ | I mean I see it in about:plugins |
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| 20:50.40 | Wowbagger_ | pulls out hair |
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| 20:51.58 | Akuw | any adea |
| 20:51.59 | Akuw | ida |
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| 20:52.12 | bazyl | hi everybody ;) |
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| 20:52.21 | Tempusfugit | hello all |
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| 20:52.46 | Tempusfugit | I came looking for some serious help |
| 20:52.51 | adilalpman | hi |
| 20:52.57 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: which debian? which architecture? |
| 20:53.04 | themill | Akuw: you can't use flash10 with etch. Use flash9 instead. /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 20:53.07 | Wowbagger_ | 32 bit testing |
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| 20:53.16 | abrotman | Akuw: i told you that *hours* ago |
| 20:53.27 | Tempusfugit | ok here is my predicament and i will see if anyone can help |
| 20:53.35 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: update-java-plugin .. or something like that |
| 20:53.42 | abrotman | update-java-alternative |
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| 20:53.46 | Tempusfugit | i built a monster computer last year with my taxes |
| 20:53.47 | adilalpman | i need help about msi vr330's wireless connection on debian 4.0 |
| 20:53.52 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: update-alternatives maybe? |
| 20:53.58 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: nope .. said what i meant |
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| 20:54.08 | themill | update-java-alternatives |
| 20:54.13 | abrotman | i missed an s~ |
| 20:54.14 | Tempusfugit | if you need to know the config let me know and i will tell ya |
| 20:54.16 | malv | so I am a bit curious to know how debian truly differs from ubuntu. After looking at some of the changelogs, it appears that debian testing is the same as ubuntu. Am I wrong? |
| 20:54.21 | abrotman | and an excliamation point |
| 20:54.30 | abrotman | malv: yes |
| 20:54.34 | malv | how so? |
| 20:54.37 | stew | malv: yes |
| 20:54.43 | adilalpman | can anybody help me? |
| 20:54.50 | abrotman | Tempusfugit: it would help if you stopped hitting enter and put the whole problem on one line |
| 20:55.08 | stew | malv: ubuntu is a completely different project with different goals and different release strategies |
| 20:55.14 | malv | the ubuntu packages I checked seemed to have the debian patches along with some ubuntu patches |
| 20:55.15 | abrotman | strategy ? |
| 20:55.32 | stew | malv: yes, more evidence that they are different |
| 20:55.33 | adilalpman | i need help about my msi vr330 laptop's wireless network connection... |
| 20:55.42 | adilalpman | i cant use it now |
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| 20:56.04 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: there's only one alternative and it seems that that part of things is set ok. |
| 20:56.29 | adilalpman | pls come my private who can help me... |
| 20:56.33 | malv | the reason I was interested in debian is that I heard it was much more stable. But then as I looked at the packages I noticed they seem virtually the same as the debian packages. |
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| 20:56.43 | Tempusfugit | ok so i am trying to get debian amd 64 installed into a raid config with windows xp 64bit i have 4 250 gig SATA drives raid 1 atm but am finding i need to understand boot sectors and everything to get debian installed along with windows |
| 20:56.54 | malv | so what makes it more stable? |
| 20:56.59 | DammitJim | where do I find the supported hardware for lenny? |
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| 20:57.08 | abrotman | kernel docs |
| 20:57.11 | malv | from what I can tell Ubuntu is just debian with some extra packages |
| 20:57.16 | Tempusfugit | is there anyone in the states that can maybe call me |
| 20:57.18 | abrotman | malv: wrong |
| 20:57.21 | stew | Wowbagger_: stick some log messages in the Applet class to see how far it gets when it loads |
| 20:57.25 | themill | dpkg: tell malv about why debian |
| 20:57.29 | abrotman | Tempusfugit: understand what about it? |
| 20:57.36 | DammitJim | maligor, I think ubuntu parted a while back from the main debian development |
| 20:57.47 | Tempusfugit | i think once i get debian installled i can start learning how to use it |
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| 20:57.48 | adilalpman | who can help me :S |
| 20:57.57 | kfogel | On my Debian 'testing' dist box, which is completely bleeding-edge up-to-date, I can't view Chinese-language pages in Firefox anymore. For example: http://rocksun.cn/bkrpr-project-intro/. The page comes up, but all the Chinese characters show as little squares containing the Unicode code point. Is there some package I should 'apt-get install' to solve this? |
| 20:58.01 | Wowbagger_ | stew: dude, I'm java illiterate.. how do I do that? |
| 20:58.02 | malv | yes, but it not the philosophy that I am talking about but what's under the hood and realiability |
| 20:58.11 | abrotman | adilalpman: need more information .. like the chipset |
| 20:58.15 | malv | i realize that ubuntu has different goals than debian |
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| 20:58.22 | stew | Wowbagger_: then you should be talking to the author of the java applet |
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| 20:58.26 | ringo999 | wondering, is there a tool which simulates how different browsers interpret my homepage? |
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| 20:58.32 | Wowbagger_ | stew: all applets don't run |
| 20:58.39 | Wowbagger_ | stew: It's not the applet's fault. |
| 20:58.40 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: have you restarted iceweasel since you installed the plugin ? |
| 20:58.41 | Tempusfugit | well i guess when i install debian i need to tell it what drives ad boot sector to start with so i dont mess up my windows partition |
| 20:58.48 | malv | but basically all I see in Ubuntu is debian + tweaks |
| 20:58.48 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: yup many times |
| 20:58.54 | hachi | is there a way I can force my debian initrd to drop me into busybox? |
| 20:59.06 | abrotman | adilalpman: talk here, not in /msg |
| 20:59.16 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml |
| 20:59.17 | hachi | I really need to tweak something before disks are started up, and I just can't get the thing to drop me into busybox |
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| 20:59.30 | abrotman | malv: keep saying that, you're still wrong |
| 20:59.39 | adilalpman | abrotman, it looks like use MSI 6877 Wireless LAN Driver |
| 20:59.46 | hachi | _yaSemin_ just spammed me on entering this channel |
| 20:59.49 | hachi | something about porn |
| 20:59.54 | abrotman | adilalpman: chipset .. not marketing name |
| 20:59.54 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: now strange.. before I tried your link I noticed that my page eventually loaded.. took forever |
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| 20:59.57 | Wowbagger_ | yours loaded ok |
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| 21:00.07 | Wowbagger_ | hmm.. gonna try restarting iceweasel |
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| 21:00.12 | Tempusfugit | see I KNOW linux is way better than windows and if i can start using it i can learn what i need to |
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| 21:00.17 | hachi | thank you abrotman |
| 21:00.19 | nima0102 | Hi |
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| 21:00.35 | abrotman | tomaw: *!*@88.241.23.88 onjoin |
| 21:01.01 | tomaw | abrotman: a2 just got it on its cycle before you kicked it |
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| 21:01.06 | abrotman | thanks |
| 21:01.35 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: ok.. so I restarted java and loaded the link you sent.. It's sitting there with the orange square java cup box logo. |
| 21:01.41 | Tempusfugit | i have the iso's ready to install and i know i need to pull up a shell on install and yes i am brand new to linux |
| 21:01.44 | Wowbagger_ | restarted iceweasel even |
| 21:01.54 | linnuxxy | is there a java runtime environment (JRE) for ARM? |
| 21:02.02 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: usually means it's downloading |
| 21:02.06 | themill | malv: not all tweaks are a good idea. Those that are, debian uses too or even better send them to the original authors. |
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| 21:02.17 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: ok.. strange that's it so slow. |
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| 21:02.27 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: no activity lights on the modem |
| 21:02.27 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: you're on dialup! |
| 21:02.46 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: something's borked.. |
| 21:03.00 | hachi | how can I get my debian initrd dump me into busybox? |
| 21:03.03 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: have any other browsers installed? epiphany or konq ? |
| 21:03.17 | riot | is there a nvidia-compatible tool to setup console-fonts? |
| 21:03.21 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: yeah, should I try epiphany? |
| 21:03.33 | stew | if you think it is a browser specific problem (which i doubt), then try appletviewer |
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| 21:04.19 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: hm.. eventually started in iceweasel (took that long) |
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| 21:04.26 | Tempus_Fugit | is there anyone willing to call me from the states |
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| 21:04.44 | Tempus_Fugit | im in missouri if that helps |
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| 21:05.30 | Tempus_Fugit | ok where did everyone go |
| 21:05.35 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: what do you need to know that we can't tell you over irc? |
| 21:05.52 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: and once it starts working (with that test page you sent) I can load the other pages that didn't work before. It's like something's not getting initialized right. |
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| 21:06.08 | Tempus_Fugit | hmmm stew |
| 21:06.17 | Tempus_Fugit | here is my config |
| 21:06.40 | Caelum | when gnome tries to automount something it says permission denied, even though I'm in group disk, what am I doing wrong? |
| 21:07.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, your credit card number :-P |
| 21:07.07 | hachi | is there any documentation on debian initrd options? |
| 21:07.08 | stew | Caelum: you don't want the disk group, you migth want the plugdev group |
| 21:07.11 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: 7 |
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| 21:07.33 | Caelum | stew: looks like the device is group "floppy" thank you |
| 21:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, hehe... must be a diamond coated platinum card then if the numbers so short |
| 21:07.53 | Caelum | adds himself to both groups |
| 21:07.56 | Tempus_Fugit | thermaltake armor tower asus wifi m3a3 mb 4 gig ram 4 250 gig sata drives raid 1 ati radeon sapphire 512 mb graphics card with windows xp 64 bit |
| 21:08.28 | Tempus_Fugit | im not using 500 gigs in my raid which i have set aside for linux |
| 21:08.40 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: software raid? |
| 21:08.57 | Tempus_Fugit | not sure |
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| 21:09.16 | Tempus_Fugit | its all hardware done to the mb but there is no separate raid controller |
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| 21:09.30 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: did your motherboard cost less than, say, $300? |
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| 21:09.40 | Tempus_Fugit | i am running a marvell raid controller in the bios |
| 21:09.59 | Tempus_Fugit | it was right at that price maybe lil more |
| 21:10.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | did he as a question?! |
| 21:10.33 | Tempus_Fugit | let me see if i can find a link to my mb |
| 21:10.34 | stew | no, he hasn't yet asked a question |
| 21:10.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are you answering to, then? |
| 21:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... it's the day when you got your psychic mode on :) |
| 21:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'm impressed... seems to work better than mine - I usually only answer things a couple of seconds before they're asked |
| 21:11.33 | Tempus_Fugit | no i did ask a ? im trying to figure out how to get linux to play nice with my raid |
| 21:11.49 | Tempus_Fugit | on top of my windows raid |
| 21:12.15 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: i don't believe you have a raid controller, i don't think marvell makes raid controllers |
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| 21:12.25 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: you probably have fakeraid, which linux would see as a bunch of independent disks |
| 21:12.28 | Tempus_Fugit | http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=149&l3=591&l4=0&model=1930&modelmenu=1 |
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| 21:12.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you really didn't, but stew started answering that anyways :) |
| 21:12.32 | Tempus_Fugit | that is my mb |
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| 21:13.20 | csc_ | hello |
| 21:13.22 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: i agree .. java sucks :) |
| 21:13.30 | csc_ | where can i get splash screens for grub? |
| 21:14.18 | Tempus_Fugit | if i can get someone to really help me figure out how to install debian amd 64 with my raid then i can start learning things on my own |
| 21:14.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !splashy |
| 21:14.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 21:14.22 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: grumble. Takes like 5 min to start. |
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| 21:14.33 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: try a different browser? |
| 21:14.43 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: same symptom in epiphany |
| 21:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... that's a bit out of date... anyone who uses it feel like updating a bit? |
| 21:14.47 | Tempus_Fugit | but i am very new at linux have had dual boot before but never had to install with raid |
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| 21:15.22 | Tempus_Fugit | which is a bit out of date my mb |
| 21:15.24 | Tempus_Fugit | ??? |
| 21:15.25 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: googling shows some people complaining about this, but no solutions. |
| 21:15.40 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: you don't have a raid controller. you could see if dmraid supports it and run software raid on it |
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| 21:16.38 | Tempus_Fugit | ok now that brings me to the line code for using dmraid |
| 21:16.44 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: gonna try downgrading to java5 |
| 21:16.57 | Tempus_Fugit | i did see that option on the debian install guide |
| 21:17.23 | Tempus_Fugit | but thats where knowing the boot sectors comes in |
| 21:18.02 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: what do you need to know about boot sectors? |
| 21:18.07 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: if you give me contents |
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| 21:18.47 | Tempus_Fugit | this is why i needed someone to call me cuz when i actually start doing the install if i screw up i wont have net available |
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| 21:19.20 | Tempus_Fugit | i need to figure out how to tell linux where to start installing on my drives |
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| 21:19.32 | Tempus_Fugit | what sector it is sposed to start in |
| 21:19.50 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: the boot sector is the first sector |
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| 21:20.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I dunno - I really never ever touched splashy... how should I know - I could only remove all that sarge-stuff - someone who uses it would do a much better job, I think |
| 21:20.02 | Tempus_Fugit | of which drive |
| 21:20.08 | Tempus_Fugit | there are 4 of them |
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| 21:20.22 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: the first sector of each of those drives is a boot sector |
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| 21:20.37 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: java5 seems similar (still waiting for the test page to load).. (just have the cup with rotating spikes) |
| 21:20.45 | Tempus_Fugit | ok so are tey labeled 1234 or abcd |
| 21:20.56 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: is what labelled? |
| 21:21.17 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: yup, eventually runs. |
| 21:21.18 | Tempus_Fugit | i had started to try the install |
| 21:21.31 | Tempus_Fugit | and saw that i can open a shell on install |
| 21:21.40 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: weird .. have not seen that |
| 21:21.40 | Tempus_Fugit | but what will the cmd look like |
| 21:21.47 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: what command? |
| 21:21.51 | Tempus_Fugit | dmraid |
| 21:21.59 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: if you run uhm .. java from the command line .. does it return anything ? |
| 21:22.20 | bstock | depends on the code |
| 21:22.22 | Tempus_Fugit | how do i make sure i dont overwrite my windows partition |
| 21:22.23 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: command not found |
| 21:22.26 | Tempus_Fugit | so to speak |
| 21:22.28 | abrotman | figured |
| 21:22.42 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: does dmraid support your ata chipset? |
| 21:22.52 | Tempus_Fugit | good ? |
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| 21:23.06 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: you think that's a clue? |
| 21:23.21 | stew | Wowbagger_: have you run update-java-alternatives? |
| 21:23.24 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: not really .. but if you only have the plugin .. |
| 21:23.26 | Tempus_Fugit | my cpu is amd phenom 9500 2.2 gig |
| 21:23.37 | stew | you can't only have the plugin |
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| 21:24.11 | abrotman | i assume he has the jre .. but not he jdk |
| 21:24.21 | Tempus_Fugit | stew are you in the states ?? |
| 21:24.24 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: yes |
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| 21:24.40 | Tempus_Fugit | can i call you or you call me |
| 21:24.51 | Wowbagger_ | stew: abrotman: I ran update-java-alternatives -a and now typing java runs it (and -version works fine). |
| 21:25.00 | abrotman | uhm .. i said that before1 |
| 21:25.01 | abrotman | ! |
| 21:25.02 | billybigrigger | hi all, i just installed etch on my desktop, and i think i selected the wrong resolutions during setup, cause once the system boots, and gets to the point where i think it loads gdm, my monitor goes out of range...so how do i boot straight to a tty? |
| 21:25.32 | abrotman | billybigrigger: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:25.36 | abrotman | billybigrigger: what is your video card? |
| 21:25.37 | Tempus_Fugit | hmm we have another trucker in the crowd huh |
| 21:25.38 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: not without a signed contractor agreement in place |
| 21:25.39 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: and I tried it before, no effect on the browser. no effect this time either. |
| 21:25.48 | billybigrigger | abrotman: onboard intel i845 |
| 21:25.49 | Tempus_Fugit | huh |
| 21:25.54 | abrotman | Wowbagger_: so java -version returns the Sun java ? |
| 21:26.02 | abrotman | billybigrigger: which resolution did you pick? and hwich driver? |
| 21:26.32 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: returns: java version "1.5.0_16"... I don't see "sun" anywhere though.. but I think that's the right one, no? |
| 21:26.36 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: better ? |
| 21:26.36 | Tempus_Fugit | stew i take it you consult ?? |
| 21:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, thx :) |
| 21:26.47 | Tempus_Fugit | and can i afford your fees |
| 21:27.10 | abrotman | throws peanuts at stew |
| 21:27.10 | Tempus_Fugit | ok nm i know the answer to the last ? |
| 21:27.46 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: i'm not really looking for work |
| 21:27.54 | Tempus_Fugit | lol |
| 21:27.59 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: i'll try to answer questions here if you have any |
| 21:28.02 | karsten | me throws stews at peanuts. |
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| 21:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, messy |
| 21:28.36 | Wowbagger_ | abrotman: stew: thanks for the help (despite no real change ;).. But I gotta get going. Might try again later. |
| 21:28.38 | nsadmin | thrown beef stew |
| 21:28.52 | Tempus_Fugit | ok stew where can i look to find the line code i will need during install to get it right |
| 21:29.04 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: 'line code'? |
| 21:29.21 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: i don't believe that what you want to do is possible |
| 21:29.23 | Tempus_Fugit | cuz if i just type in dmraid not sure if that will take it all the way thru install |
| 21:29.35 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: i don't believe that dmraid supports your sata controller |
| 21:29.43 | billybigrigger | abrotman: sorry phone rang...uhh i chose all resolutions and it didnt let me pick a driver |
| 21:30.03 | Tempus_Fugit | ok so if i open a shell and type in dmraid......then what |
| 21:30.05 | billybigrigger | abrotman: how do i get to a tty if i cant see gdm? |
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| 21:30.45 | nsadmin | dmraid is raid with device mapper? |
| 21:31.09 | stew | nsadmin: apt-cache show dmraid |
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| 21:31.24 | Tempus_Fugit | ok so it will know where i have windows installed and not delete it ?? |
| 21:31.34 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: i doubt it |
| 21:31.39 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: that's my style |
| 21:31.51 | billybigrigger | hi all, i just installed etch on my desktop, and i think i selected the wrong resolutions during setup, cause once the system boots, and gets to the point where i think it loads gdm, my monitor goes out of range...so how do i boot straight to a tty? |
| 21:31.57 | karsten | ponders BIOS settings. To speedstep or not to speedstep.... |
| 21:32.01 | Tempus_Fugit | thats my ? |
| 21:32.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | billybigrigger, refined that question, eh? |
| 21:32.35 | Tempus_Fugit | stew do you see my dilemma now? |
| 21:32.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | billybigrigger, ctrl-alt-F1 should still work... if you see the login or not... try that first |
| 21:32.46 | billybigrigger | CutMeOwnThroat: i didnt refine the q, its the same q |
| 21:32.56 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: yes, you setup windows on software raid, and linux doesn't support your windows software raid |
| 21:32.58 | billybigrigger | CutMeOwnThroat: tried that, ctrl-alt-f1 f2 f3 f4 nothing |
| 21:33.01 | nsadmin | billybigrigger: try ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 21:33.09 | Tempus_Fugit | correct |
| 21:33.09 | xingu | karsten: is there a goose-step option? |
| 21:33.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, I said that! |
| 21:33.17 | nsadmin | so I now see |
| 21:33.38 | nsadmin | are you using grub to boot? |
| 21:33.46 | Tempus_Fugit | who me |
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| 21:33.58 | billybigrigger | me? |
| 21:34.03 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 21:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | billybigrigger, if you're networked, you can ssh in - else you can boot into single user mode - in gurb 'e' then add "single" |
| 21:34.12 | Tempus_Fugit | lol which me |
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| 21:34.23 | DexterF | hey |
| 21:34.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tempus_Fugit, how many yous are there? |
| 21:34.33 | Tempus_Fugit | lmao |
| 21:34.41 | billybigrigger | no i used lilo (dumb thing to do) but it was the default so i went with it, was going to use grub later on |
| 21:34.42 | nsadmin | are there also some ewes? |
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| 21:34.43 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: did you see if dmraid discovers your device? |
| 21:35.04 | billybigrigger | CutMeOwnThroat: well ill try booting the system again...but im not sure if sshd is started or not... |
| 21:35.04 | Tempus_Fugit | yeah i tried and no it doesnt |
| 21:35.17 | nsadmin | billybigrigger: not sure how to get into single user mode with lilo |
| 21:35.18 | DexterF | before I file a bug report: anyone else update iceweasel today and now it says on startup "instance already running but not responding" but wont start? |
| 21:35.26 | Tempus_Fugit | thats why i need particulars |
| 21:35.38 | Tempus_Fugit | and probly some line code to tell it what to do |
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| 21:35.52 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: what do you need particulars about? |
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| 21:36.00 | mc68040 | DexterF: remove the lock file by hand |
| 21:36.01 | billybigrigger | haha |
| 21:36.07 | billybigrigger | this is wierd |
| 21:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | DexterF, check if there's really no instance and look for a lock file |
| 21:36.13 | billybigrigger | on 3rd reboot, i get GDM |
| 21:36.17 | billybigrigger | wierd |
| 21:36.28 | Tempus_Fugit | i may need to write a driver for my device to tell it what to do |
| 21:36.57 | nsadmin | if you can write a driver, you can learn shell commands :) |
| 21:37.01 | Tempus_Fugit | i think to do what im trying to do i damn near need a stinkin govt cyber hacker |
| 21:37.12 | Tempus_Fugit | this is true |
| 21:37.14 | Tempus_Fugit | and i cant do either |
| 21:37.21 | Tempus_Fugit | hence the reason i need help |
| 21:37.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | billybigrigger, if you can't even ping it, suppose it's dead... |
| 21:37.31 | malv | is lenny considered unstable? |
| 21:37.37 | malv | i mean "testing" |
| 21:37.43 | nsadmin | you can 't learn? you just claimed to be untrainable |
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| 21:37.59 | Tempus_Fugit | ok correction |
| 21:38.14 | abrotman | malv: currently, yes |
| 21:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | billybigrigger, for lilo just press shift at startup and add single after the linux-something when the kernel choices appear |
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| 21:38.29 | mc68040 | DexterF: the lock file should be ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/lock |
| 21:38.37 | Tempus_Fugit | i can learn but do not have the knowledge i currently need |
| 21:38.43 | billybigrigger | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont get kernel choices with lilo, it just boots |
| 21:38.52 | nsadmin | Tempus_Fugit: hence why you need to learn |
| 21:38.59 | Tempus_Fugit | correct |
| 21:39.02 | karsten | billybigrigger: hit <shift> during boot time to get menu. |
| 21:39.07 | DexterF | mc68040: no such file... |
| 21:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | malv, but that might change in 4 days |
| 21:39.23 | Tempus_Fugit | so now what |
| 21:39.29 | billybigrigger | karsten: k, will try thanks |
| 21:39.31 | karsten | billybigrigger: or up/down arror. You can also edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file to enable menu display. |
| 21:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | billybigrigger, NOT if you press shift... see, that's why I didn't just wrote the 2nd part of that sentence |
| 21:39.48 | karsten | billybigrigger: if "hiddenmenu" is specified, comment it out. |
| 21:39.50 | Tempus_Fugit | am i really trying to acomplish the impossible in a newbie state |
| 21:40.02 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: yes |
| 21:40.05 | karsten | billybigrigger: I also generally set a boot timeout of 5-10 seconds. |
| 21:40.14 | Tempus_Fugit | WWWWWWWWonderful |
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| 21:40.38 | nsadmin | let me see if I understand... you have an existing raid with content... yes? |
| 21:40.45 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: you are not going to be able to save the windows raid in its currnet state and share it with linux |
| 21:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, yes... and it seems to be a windows software raid |
| 21:41.02 | Tempus_Fugit | ok let me modify |
| 21:41.08 | Tempus_Fugit | i will wipe everything |
| 21:41.17 | nsadmin | sure about that? |
| 21:41.21 | Tempus_Fugit | if that will make it doable |
| 21:41.36 | billybigrigger | wow this sucks |
| 21:41.37 | nsadmin | you don't want to back up first? |
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| 21:41.40 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: you are going to need to install linux to some other drives, or you are going to have to redo your windows raid in some way that you have access to partitions on those drives which are independent of whatever windows software raid might be on there |
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| 21:41.47 | Tempus_Fugit | i did |
| 21:41.58 | Tempus_Fugit | bought a 1 tb external |
| 21:42.37 | Tempus_Fugit | thats the way it started stew i had my raid 0 all 4 striped |
| 21:42.42 | nsadmin | that would be easier |
| 21:42.52 | Tempus_Fugit | and was going to partition that |
| 21:42.55 | nsadmin | got a spare drive laying around? |
| 21:43.02 | abrotman | bah .. i thought last match won ... |
| 21:43.02 | Tempus_Fugit | that dont work either |
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| 21:43.06 | stew | what were you raiding together? the drives? or partitions on the drives? |
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| 21:43.42 | Tempus_Fugit | all 4 drives were raided 0 or striped then i was going to partition that |
| 21:43.50 | billybigrigger | karsten: CutMeOwnThroat: what do i enter at the lilo menu? only option i see is Linux and i get boot: is this where i type in single? |
| 21:43.53 | Tempus_Fugit | and linux did not recognize the partiton |
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| 21:44.19 | kj4 | hello all |
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| 21:44.24 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: yes, linux is not going to recognize software raid that you are setting up using windows drivers |
| 21:44.24 | nsadmin | billybigrigger: if you hit tab at the boot: menu it will give you a list of kernels |
| 21:44.27 | billybigrigger | karsten: CutMeOwnThroat only image i have is Linux so theres no recovery kernel image or anything like that on default etch install eh? |
| 21:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | billybigrigger, tab autocompletes (probably to 'Linux' then) add single after that |
| 21:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | billybigrigger, hey, he's using our full name :) |
| 21:44.37 | billybigrigger | nsadmin: only have 1 "Linux" |
| 21:44.40 | kj4 | can debian be installed without a DE, and then add XFCE? |
| 21:44.42 | Tempus_Fugit | i originally wanted 750 gigs for windows and 250 for debian |
| 21:44.44 | karsten | billybigrigger: What are you trying to do? |
| 21:44.47 | abrotman | kj4: yes |
| 21:44.48 | stew | kj4: yes |
| 21:44.51 | nsadmin | ok, try Linux single |
| 21:45.02 | billybigrigger | k |
| 21:45.05 | billybigrigger | trying Linux single |
| 21:45.12 | karsten | billybigrigger: You can get an interactive GRUB commandline at boot with both command and filename completion. |
| 21:45.13 | stew | kj4: just install without the "desktop" option, then sometime after install, run "aptitude install xfce4 xorg" |
| 21:45.14 | nsadmin | (if you want to get into single-user mode) |
| 21:45.23 | karsten | billybigrigger: I'm sorta half-following this channel, sorry. |
| 21:45.26 | billybigrigger | i dont have grub, i have LILO |
| 21:45.34 | kj4 | stew: thanks, are you an xfce user on debian? |
| 21:45.41 | stew | kj4: OR you can use the xfce install cds which debian provides and choose the desktop option during install |
| 21:45.47 | stew | kj4: no, i'm not an xfce user |
| 21:46.04 | kj4 | stew, thanks |
| 21:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, are you talking of me?! :-P |
| 21:46.14 | Tempus_Fugit | ok so in otherwords im screwed |
| 21:46.37 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: can you raid together partitions in windows instead of entire drives? |
| 21:46.39 | kj4 | stew: i'm an arch linux user, and thinking of jumping to slackware or debian from my main desktop OS |
| 21:46.45 | Tempus_Fugit | and this would even be difficult to accomplish for an advanced user am i correct? |
| 21:46.47 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I guess that means we're each quarter-paying-attention to the channel. |
| 21:46.57 | nsadmin | maybe, but if you're willing to blow the raid away and redo it (do you want linux and windows? or what?) |
| 21:46.59 | billybigrigger | CutMeOwnThroat: xorg.conf seems to be using "i810" but i have an i845 |
| 21:47.00 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: what is "this"? |
| 21:47.06 | billybigrigger | CutMeOwnThroat: think that could be my problem? |
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| 21:47.19 | Tempus_Fugit | what im trying to do |
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| 21:47.26 | Tempus_Fugit | with my raid |
| 21:47.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, oh, I thouht I was the half who was paying attention :) |
| 21:47.40 | karsten | kj4: "arch linux user" sounds like you should specify your experience level by belt color or something. |
| 21:47.42 | karsten | stew: A four letter word beginning in 't'. |
| 21:47.43 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: we've established that what you are trying to do is impossible. so it has nothing to do with skill level |
| 21:47.43 | Tempus_Fugit | and get windows and linux to play nice on a 3rd party raid controller |
| 21:47.49 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: That could well be it. |
| 21:47.52 | Tempus_Fugit | or software raid controoler |
| 21:48.01 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I wasn't paying attention. |
| 21:48.03 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: that is certainly possible |
| 21:48.09 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: ... least of all to what I was saying. |
| 21:48.14 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: just not the way you are hoping to do it |
| 21:48.23 | Tempus_Fugit | ok so what do i need to change to make a semblance of what i want possible |
| 21:48.35 | nsadmin | first pick a goal |
| 21:48.47 | billybigrigger | is there such thing as an i845 driver for etch??? |
| 21:48.52 | billybigrigger | or should i be using i810? |
| 21:48.53 | kj4 | karsten, if there are 10 belt colors i might be 3rd or fourth from the bottom |
| 21:49.25 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: you need to reverse engeneer the windows drivers so that you can extend dmraid to include support for it. i'd recommend instead that you just partition each of the drives so that each drive has a partition for windows software raid, and a partition for linux software raid |
| 21:49.30 | Tempus_Fugit | well i seriously want linux so i can start learning shell commands and even programming |
| 21:49.35 | Tempus_Fugit | screw windows |
| 21:49.41 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: we can help you setup the linux software raid, i have no idea how to do things in windows |
| 21:49.50 | Tempus_Fugit | windhoes sucks |
| 21:50.07 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: if you don't wish to run windows, you can just tell the debian installer to setup raid for you, which would blow away all your data in the process |
| 21:50.08 | jelly-home | billybigrigger: driver named "i810" is supposed to handle all intel cards (except the newer ones); does it not work? |
| 21:50.10 | nsadmin | sure about that? |
| 21:50.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | kj4 that probably means you can destroy /etc/password with a single stroke by now :) |
| 21:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/stroke/punch/ |
| 21:50.40 | billybigrigger | jelly-home, ya it works, just had wrong resolutions |
| 21:50.47 | kj4 | CutMeOwnThroat, yep- : ) i don't claim to be an expert, i just know what NOT to do, usually |
| 21:50.51 | nsadmin | Tempus_Fugit: what are some of the things you did on your windows machine while you had it going? |
| 21:51.01 | billybigrigger | ok, now this is the first time i've booting into gnome after a fresh install and i get an error and initialize HAL |
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| 21:51.11 | Tempus_Fugit | well im on it right nw |
| 21:51.12 | Tempus_Fugit | now |
| 21:51.22 | nsadmin | so ircing would be one |
| 21:51.29 | Tempus_Fugit | and i have everything backed up i need to the 1 TB external drive |
| 21:51.34 | jelly-home | billybigrigger: thre is an updated driver "intel" in packages xserver-xorg-video-intel, it might work better but it might work worse too |
| 21:51.36 | Tempus_Fugit | so i can wipe everything off |
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| 21:51.57 | nsadmin | you a gamer? |
| 21:51.59 | Tempus_Fugit | and start fresh |
| 21:52.05 | Tempus_Fugit | me no |
| 21:52.23 | Tempus_Fugit | would rather spend my time learning code than gaming |
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| 21:52.34 | nsadmin | run anything like video editing or audio editing stuff? |
| 21:52.44 | Tempus_Fugit | no |
| 21:52.44 | stew | i can't imagine how that is relevant |
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| 21:53.10 | nsadmin | ok, it seems to me it doesn't matter whether you use windows or linux |
| 21:53.15 | Tempus_Fugit | wasnt sure if nsa was talking to me or not |
| 21:53.39 | Tempus_Fugit | but linux is more stable |
| 21:53.45 | billybigrigger | how do i fix this failed to initialize HAL! error? |
| 21:54.21 | Tempus_Fugit | and if i start now maybe in a few years i can get a job in the linux field because windhoes is losing a lot of customers to mac and linux |
| 21:54.38 | nsadmin | stew if he runs complex/proprietary stuff he might have needed windows... since he doesn't, he could wipe and not use windows at all... if he wants |
| 21:55.05 | Tempus_Fugit | well the only thing i enjoy about windows is itunes |
| 21:55.14 | Tempus_Fugit | cuz of the free college courses online |
| 21:55.19 | stew | nsadmin: he uses proprietary stuff not supported in linux |
| 21:55.41 | nsadmin | what other than itunes?\ |
| 21:55.47 | stew | nsadmin: i don't know |
| 21:55.56 | Tempus_Fugit | nothing really |
| 21:56.04 | nsadmin | ok well it's up to you |
| 21:56.05 | Tempus_Fugit | other than some dj'ing programs |
| 21:56.21 | Tempus_Fugit | i see your point and it is tempting |
| 21:56.36 | Tempus_Fugit | but linux will read the audio files |
| 21:56.47 | Tempus_Fugit | that are on my external drive correct? |
| 21:57.04 | nsadmin | probably |
| 21:57.08 | Tempus_Fugit | i just wont be able to add any additional files |
| 21:57.09 | DeSian | Tempus_Fugit: Amarok |
| 21:57.12 | nsadmin | are they .wavs? |
| 21:57.32 | Tempus_Fugit | mp3 and wma i believe |
| 21:57.44 | nsadmin | oh, no problem there |
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| 21:58.02 | nsadmin | what kind of filesystem on the external? |
| 21:58.05 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: debian doesn't ship software for decoding wma, but you can get it from other sources |
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| 21:58.16 | Tempus_Fugit | windows fat32 i think |
| 21:58.26 | Bsims | Anyone ever use a lua script with elinks? I am not sure where to place it to get it to work. |
| 21:58.29 | nsadmin | that's no problem |
| 21:58.50 | nsadmin | how big are the raided drives? |
| 21:59.06 | Tempus_Fugit | 250 gigs a piece 4 of them |
| 21:59.35 | Tempus_Fugit | spent 1900 last year on just the tower |
| 21:59.36 | hachi | anyone know how to get the debian initrd to give me a busybox shell? |
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| 21:59.45 | nsadmin | another thing you -could- consider is getting a hardware raid controller like a 3ware |
| 21:59.55 | billybigrigger | so if i downloaded the mini.iso are all the packages i downloaded up to date? i see on debian's site that Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 updated |
| 21:59.56 | billybigrigger | ??? |
| 21:59.58 | Tempus_Fugit | those are like 500 huh |
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| 22:00.27 | nsadmin | billybigrigger: not necessarily, but you can upgrade from the net easily |
| 22:00.55 | billybigrigger | nsadmin: well i ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade --yes and it hit 2 mirrors and no updates |
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| 22:01.22 | nsadmin | billybigrigger: so you're already up to date? |
| 22:01.22 | billybigrigger | security.debian.org and ftp.us.debian.org are the only software repos in debian? am i correct? |
| 22:01.29 | patrikf | hachi: you could have a look in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ to find out, looking for /proc/cmdline |
| 22:01.44 | Tempus_Fugit | and how do i know which 3ware i would need |
| 22:01.48 | nsadmin | billybigrigger: other than mirrors of same |
| 22:01.55 | billybigrigger | nsadmin: ok well im up to date i guess |
| 22:01.58 | patrikf | hachi: there's "break" defaulting to break before mounting stuff, which might or might not be what you want |
| 22:02.08 | hachi | yeah, I guess it is |
| 22:02.12 | billybigrigger | i just downloaded the mini.iso and did a netinstall today so i guess im good to go eh? |
| 22:02.19 | hachi | I'm a little annoyed that it won't start a shell if 'panic' is set |
| 22:02.47 | nsadmin | billybigrigger: sure... at minimum, you have the base, which is enough to install more packages |
| 22:02.50 | hachi | I have panic set for a reason, because when the kernel actually panics it's hard for me to power cycle the machine |
| 22:02.54 | Tempus_Fugit | ok so stew you think if i partitoned each of my drives that would make it easier |
| 22:02.56 | billybigrigger | nsadmin: you know how i can resolve this "failed to initialize HAL!" message i get upon logging into gnome? |
| 22:03.20 | nsadmin | no, I don't know hardly anything about hal |
| 22:03.50 | patrikf | hachi: I'm not quite sure, but sysrq might work |
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| 22:03.58 | hachi | huh? |
| 22:04.11 | hachi | I'm on a serial line |
| 22:04.16 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: if you have partitions which linux can do whatever it wants with, it makes it easy to have linux not touch the windows stuff. I have no idea about how easy or hard or possible it is to have windows raid a bunch of partitions together |
| 22:04.19 | hachi | which means I have to figure out how to send a BREAK |
| 22:04.26 | hachi | which is... hard to say the least |
| 22:04.29 | patrikf | :) |
| 22:04.36 | patrikf | and then it probably won't even work ;-) |
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| 22:04.45 | hachi | yeah, I know it does |
| 22:04.50 | nsadmin | Tempus_Fugit: I do, and I think you should reserve maybe 20% for another raid system (or just unpartitioned space) |
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| 22:04.55 | hachi | but every single console server has a different way to send breaks |
| 22:05.04 | hachi | and I don't know how to figure out what console server I'm on |
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| 22:07.06 | tanlaan | Hey everyone |
| 22:07.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tempus_Fugit, well... if I would want to dual-boot and share the drives I'd either get a real hardware raid... or consider if I really really need a raid... of course, it is not such a big problem to have a raid in windows or linux, if the other OS doesn't touch it |
| 22:07.08 | Tempus_Fugit | hmmm ok i will have to play with my options |
| 22:07.24 | tanlaan | I was wondering if anyone could help me think of the best implementation for an idea I had |
| 22:07.50 | Tempus_Fugit | now i hope you all can see why i wanted to talk to someone on the phone |
| 22:08.07 | Tempus_Fugit | given the extent of what i am trying to do |
| 22:08.13 | tanlaan | I want to mix a tty command line with xfce. What I mean is have a full screen easily readable command line like a tty, but have xfce running on top so that I could spawn real GUI programs |
| 22:08.49 | tanlaan | I don't want icons or anything, I would like to be able to just run the programs from command line and have them open on screen. |
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| 22:09.06 | tanlaan | I haven't decided how I would implement a program switcher yet though. |
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| 22:10.01 | arezey | tanlaan, the only idea i have is to make a full-screen gnome-terminal with a huge font |
| 22:10.15 | Tempus_Fugit | i aprreciate everyones input |
| 22:10.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | tanlaan, that sounds more like... awesome or ratpoison or something than like xfce |
| 22:11.04 | Maior | tanlaan: sounds very much like a lightweight wm (so, xfce I gather might suffice) with...a maximised terminal |
| 22:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tempus_Fugit, no... we don't understand that at all... really |
| 22:11.17 | Maior | tanlaan: xterm / similar |
| 22:11.36 | tanlaan | CutMeOwnThroat, ratpoison would be cool, but I can't spawn and GUI applications can I? |
| 22:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | tanlaan, ?? and='an' ? |
| 22:12.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure... it's only getting a bit weird |
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| 22:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's definitely not something for me |
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| 22:12.34 | Maior | just doesn't run X, and finds it much easier |
| 22:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like to be able to place windows any way I want |
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| 22:12.59 | Tempus_Fugit | ok well then sorry to impose |
| 22:12.59 | tanlaan | Maior, That is what I'm trying to do, sort of. I don't know if that would be the best route though. Would you happen to know if it is possible to replace your desktop with a fullscreen xterm? So it doesn't react like an open window? |
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| 22:13.23 | nsadmin | Tempus_Fugit: did you decide on what to do? |
| 22:13.28 | Maior | tanlaan: pass, I don't run X so I'm not familiar with "desktops". I have a "full screen terminal", it's called a vt... |
| 22:13.28 | tanlaan | CutMeOwnThroat, Yea, that is sort of what I wanted to be able to do =/ |
| 22:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Maior, uh... that's like... just one xterm... well, perhaps like a couple of screen sessions - doesn't compare to the xterm-zoo I sometimes have |
| 22:13.45 | Tempus_Fugit | well not really nsa |
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| 22:13.50 | Maior | CutMeOwnThroat: screen and chvt - indeed |
| 22:13.58 | Tempus_Fugit | it seems as though i might be at an impass |
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| 22:14.04 | tanlaan | Maior, isn't a vt just a tty? |
| 22:14.07 | nsadmin | but wiping is totaly ok? |
| 22:14.09 | Maior | (more accurately, nested screens, since I find that more convenient than chvt) |
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| 22:14.28 | nsadmin | (perhaps that didn't come out right...) |
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| 22:14.39 | Maior | tanlaan: as I gather, it's a little more complicated than that, but to an approximation, "yes" wouldn't be inappropriate |
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| 22:14.42 | Tempus_Fugit | and i realize you advanced users get tired of us newbies asking dumb ?'s but everybody had to start somewhere |
| 22:15.01 | boxxertrumps | What seems to bve the problem here? |
| 22:15.03 | Tempus_Fugit | yes i planned on wiping everything |
| 22:15.05 | tanlaan | Maior, alright, well I'll search around a bit more and see if I can uncover anything :) |
| 22:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | tanlaan, there are a bunch of minimal wm's in the Debian repositories... just try one after another |
| 22:15.34 | nsadmin | Tempus_Fugit: ok. why not try running the installer then, and see what happens |
| 22:15.39 | patrikf | tanlaan: you can run an xterm (or whatever) simply without a window manager |
| 22:15.39 | Tempus_Fugit | np boxxer |
| 22:15.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | tanlaan, wmii might be another one |
| 22:15.52 | Tempus_Fugit | i have trid it |
| 22:15.55 | Tempus_Fugit | tried it |
| 22:16.01 | tanlaan | CutMeOwnThroat, I just found that :) |
| 22:16.02 | Tempus_Fugit | and it needs shell commands |
| 22:16.14 | boxxertrumps | which repo would i have to add to get kde4? |
| 22:16.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | tanlaan, apt-cache search minimal window manager |
| 22:16.18 | Tempus_Fugit | to tell it what i want to do since im in uncharted waters so to speak |
| 22:16.26 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: what needs shell commands? |
| 22:16.26 | abrotman | anyone suggest giving him a liveCD in case his install goes poorly ? |
| 22:16.29 | boxxertrumps | why don't i google such a simple question... |
| 22:16.33 | Tempus_Fugit | the installer |
| 22:16.37 | nsadmin | I think you can get it to establish an array without using the shell |
| 22:16.42 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: what makes you think it needs shell commands? |
| 22:17.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | tanlaan, how could I forget about evilwm :)) |
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| 22:17.10 | Tempus_Fugit | cuz the standard installers dont know what to do with my setup |
| 22:17.25 | Tempus_Fugit | maybe there are no drivers for the marvell raid controller |
| 22:17.26 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: no amount of shell commands are going to change that |
| 22:17.41 | nsadmin | if you let the debian installer wipe the drives and make a whole new (and wholly different) array, you should be good to go |
| 22:17.51 | Tempus_Fugit | which came with the mb |
| 22:17.52 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: i don't believe marvell makes raid controllers |
| 22:18.23 | tanlaan | CutMeOwnThroat, While I install debian I'll check it out :) |
| 22:18.27 | nsadmin | can he put a lspci in a file from the installer? |
| 22:18.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | tanlaan, possibly also larswm or lwm |
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| 22:19.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | tanlaan, hehe, I think lwm was the one you had to recompile to configure it :) |
| 22:19.17 | tanlaan | CutMeOwnThroat, Ouch haha |
| 22:19.29 | Tempus_Fugit | well when i open the marvell raid controller it pulls up a local host domain |
| 22:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | tanlaan, apt-cache show lwm ... basically says "configuration just wastes disk space" |
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| 22:22.20 | Tempus_Fugit | 1 more ? |
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| 22:22.39 | Tempus_Fugit | if i wipe everything and install linux first |
| 22:22.55 | Tempus_Fugit | will windows cover up the linux partitoon |
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| 22:23.12 | nsadmin | Tempus_Fugit you won't have windows anymore |
| 22:23.30 | Tempus_Fugit | yeah so windows has to be installed first |
| 22:23.34 | Tempus_Fugit | then linux |
| 22:23.43 | kj4 | how does debian's init system compare to ubuntu's? |
| 22:23.54 | nsadmin | oic, so you're going to try both |
| 22:23.57 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: it doesn't have to be installed first, but it is generally easier to setup windows first if you are going to steup both |
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| 22:24.34 | nsadmin | kj4 ubuntu is trying that upstart thing, which debian has as an experimental package |
| 22:24.36 | Tempus_Fugit | well like i said i have done a dual boot b4 |
| 22:24.45 | cire | how may I read out the cpu-vid under lenny? sensors doesn't show it. |
| 22:24.55 | icebrain | partly because Windows installs its own boot manager which, of course, doesn't detect linux |
| 22:25.06 | Tempus_Fugit | and you have to install linux first otherwise windows will not recognize the linux parttion |
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| 22:25.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | tanlaan, debtags search x11::window-manager for a hopefully mostly complete list... |
| 22:25.50 | kj4 | nsadmin, i'm thinking to try debian as my primary desktop, with xfce. i'm coming from arch, and ubuntu before that |
| 22:25.50 | icebrain | no, you have to install windows first, 'cause grub which is installed with Linux detects both |
| 22:26.00 | Tempus_Fugit | right |
| 22:26.02 | stew | Tempus_Fugit: i don't believe that to be true, as people here are always recommending to install windows first |
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| 22:26.14 | Tempus_Fugit | and im gonna do that on my laptop |
| 22:26.23 | Tempus_Fugit | cuz there is no raid setup there |
| 22:26.31 | Tempus_Fugit | thats easy |
| 22:26.39 | nsadmin | yeah, that would be easy |
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| 22:26.43 | kj4 | nsadmin, i'm aspiring to deepen my knowledge, ubuntu did nothing for that, arch did plenty, i'm hoping to continue in that manner with debain |
| 22:26.50 | tanlaan | CutMeOwnThroat, I must go now, but I'll be on later |
| 22:26.52 | Tempus_Fugit | its my raid thats giving me probs on my desktop |
| 22:26.57 | tanlaan | Have a good day everyone :) |
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| 22:27.21 | icebrain | kj4: I think Arch forces you more to do stuff by hand than Debian |
| 22:27.26 | nsadmin | kj4 on any of the above you can for example learn the shell |
| 22:28.08 | nsadmin | so you want to deepen you knowledge of sys admin and configuration |
| 22:28.09 | nsadmin | ? |
| 22:28.23 | kj4 | nsadmin, exactly. |
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| 22:28.58 | Ip_Man | sorry for such question, i'm new to linux. When i type shutdown now with root, my laptop not shutdowns completely |
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| 22:29.11 | kj4 | nsadmin, i'm a former MS admin |
| 22:29.26 | nsadmin | oh ok... |
| 22:29.31 | icebrain | Ip_Man: try shutdown -h now |
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| 22:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | kj4, well, you might take a spare disk and go for LFS... I don't think it's really something you want to *use* but it's probably teaching you a lot |
| 22:29.37 | icebrain | Ip_Man: -h is for "halt" |
| 22:29.38 | Ip_Man | now i c "Give root password for maintenance:" \= |
| 22:29.42 | Ip_Man | k |
| 22:29.53 | Ip_Man | i just used init 0 |
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| 22:29.56 | Ip_Man | :P |
| 22:30.02 | icebrain | Ip_Man: that's not good :P |
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| 22:30.13 | Ip_Man | thats why i asked |
| 22:30.14 | icebrain | Ip_Man: sudo shutdown -h now |
| 22:30.15 | kj4 | CutMeOwnThroat, i've heard that before- can i do that on a VM? |
| 22:30.19 | kj4 | brb |
| 22:30.20 | nsadmin | you might as well reboot :) |
| 22:30.20 | \amethyst | icebrain: shutdown without -h puts the system in single-user mode |
| 22:30.23 | \amethyst | doh |
| 22:30.31 | \amethyst | Ip_Man: shutdown without -h or -r puts the system in single-user mode |
| 22:30.39 | Ip_Man | oh |
| 22:30.41 | Ip_Man | thx |
| 22:31.06 | icebrain | \amethyst: exactly, he was wondering why shutdown wouldn't shutdown :P |
| 22:31.19 | nsadmin | misnamed probably |
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| 22:31.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, pardon? -h Halt or power off after shutdown. |
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| 22:31.56 | nsadmin | but the shutdown process involves bringing all the server daemons down properly |
| 22:32.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, oh with___out___ |
| 22:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
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| 22:32.14 | by_debian | aahh debian ahh |
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| 22:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | *wipes glasses* |
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| 22:32.31 | icebrain | nsadmin: yeah, but shutdown does that, doesn't it? |
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| 22:32.36 | nsadmin | in single user mode, it kinda is shut down :) |
| 22:32.52 | pflanze | Hello. Does anyone else see problems with a thinkpad crashing with lenny after recent apt dist-upgrades? |
| 22:33.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | logout now, backup later... the system is going down NOW |
| 22:33.10 | nsadmin | pflanze: so you do. describe. |
| 22:33.12 | pflanze | upon sleep I should say. |
| 22:33.21 | pflanze | or more precisely, upon wakeup from sleep. |
| 22:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd see problems with lenny crashing independent on what hardwar :) |
| 22:34.08 | pflanze | I send the laptop to sleep, which seems to work like normal; then upon wakeup, it comes up with black screen; |
| 22:34.11 | hachi | http://nopaste.snit.ch/15576 |
| 22:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | pflanze, oh, I start getting what you're talking about... I had that on a different type of laptop |
| 22:34.17 | hachi | anyone know what this might be caused by? |
| 22:34.29 | hachi | the destination machine is a debian machine, and the source machine can ssh to other machines just fine |
| 22:34.36 | nsadmin | it seems like after the upgrade sleeping isn't working properly, maybe not configured, maybe parts missing |
| 22:34.42 | pflanze | if it was on a console, I can still type commands (without feedback); if it was on X, I can't switch to the console, so seems to be locked up hard in that case. |
| 22:35.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | pflanze, and it was/is the external usb wireless stick... - but it was not going to sleep properly in half of the cases either (would just keep sitting on a console) and in the other half it wouldn't come up again |
| 22:35.28 | pflanze | I'm using self-compiled kernel.org kernels; I've checked with my previous kernel without change so my last guess is that it's the recent debian dist-upgrade, i.e. userspace. |
| 22:35.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, mine behaved different |
| 22:35.46 | pflanze | no usb involved here (except for a mouse) |
| 22:35.46 | nsadmin | what is a good usb wireless dongle to get |
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| 22:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | pflanze, just saying it was additional hardware in my case that did it |
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| 22:38.01 | pflanze | no additional hw here. I really can't see what else changed than the debian userspace upgrade. |
| 22:38.25 | pflanze | I just don't have any clue as to where to look for. |
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| 22:39.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there's |
| 22:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !suspend troubleshooting |
| 22:39.41 | dpkg | A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp. |
| 22:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I found it's not as useful as it could be |
| 22:39.51 | pflanze | I really want something to record package states and make me able to downgrade to a previous state. |
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| 22:41.14 | nsadmin | pflanze: not going to happen in debian |
| 22:41.22 | pflanze | why not? |
| 22:41.26 | nsadmin | but there is a way to do that... you back up |
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| 22:41.43 | pflanze | yes, I do make backups, but those include my own data too, |
| 22:41.43 | \amethyst | pflanze: because debian packages don't necessarily support downgrades |
| 22:41.54 | pflanze | so it's a hassle to downgrade from those. |
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| 22:42.17 | nsadmin | very early in debian history it was decided to not support downgrades |
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| 22:42.51 | pflanze | so I guess LVM snapshots are to the rescue; |
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| 22:43.06 | \amethyst | pflanze: because, for example, foobar_1.2 might not support config files generated by foobar_1.3 |
| 22:43.11 | pflanze | anyone knows a correct list of folders to keep/downgrade? |
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| 22:43.31 | pflanze | \amethyst: that's why I'd want such a downgrade tool to back those up and replay. |
| 22:43.54 | \amethyst | pflanze: probably everything except /home, /tmp, /opt, and /usr/local |
| 22:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | pflanze, /var/log/dpkg.log might be of help |
| 22:44.33 | themill | you'd also need to be able to role back ~/.quuxrc etc too |
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| 22:44.59 | nsadmin | homey don't play quux! |
| 22:45.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 22:45.32 | nsadmin | j/k |
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| 22:45.44 | sosnix | Hello |
| 22:45.50 | nsadmin | never seen "mad tv" I take it? |
| 22:45.53 | sosnix | do u remember me ? :>>> |
| 22:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 22:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and no |
| 22:46.00 | sosnix | how can i uninstall Apache ? |
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| 22:46.03 | sosnix | What command ? |
| 22:46.09 | pflanze | CutMeOwnThroat: /var/log/dpkg.log looks interesting, thanks. (I'd be so happy not having to program that thing myself, though) |
| 22:46.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | pflanze, also /var/log/apt/* |
| 22:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, term.log |
| 22:47.00 | nsadmin | it'd be nice to build a layer on top of debian packaging system to allow savepoints |
| 22:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sosnix, probably apt-get remove apache\* |
| 22:47.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, nah, then it's become a bit more like windows |
| 22:47.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, anyway, you I think you can do that |
| 22:47.54 | pflanze | well, at this point I'd like to have such a windowsish solution! |
| 22:48.00 | themill | It's also completely unworkable. |
| 22:48.06 | sosnix | yea |
| 22:48.07 | sosnix | remove |
| 22:48.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | pflanze, you could have done dpkg -l > file :) |
| 22:48.40 | pflanze | CutMeOwnThroat: actually I did that; that's my first attempt at recording package state. |
| 22:48.46 | sosnix | Themill: Thanks for your Patience |
| 22:48.47 | nsadmin | themill: but it might be partially workable... and adding the others might just be harder |
| 22:48.59 | themill | pflanze: "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" would be better |
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| 22:49.01 | Tempus_Fugit | ok all thnx for the help im out for awhile |
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| 22:49.56 | pflanze | CutMeOwnThroat: actually dpkg -l "*", to keep the versions too. |
| 22:50.02 | themill | nsadmin: but there are just enough cases where it's never going to work that you probably may as well try. (e.g. try downgrading from subversion 1.5 to 1.4) |
| 22:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | pflanze, well, then you can roll back... do grep ^ii yourdpkgfile |head | awk '{print "apt-get install " $2"="$3 }' ... at your own risk |
| 22:50.15 | pflanze | ehr that's what you said |
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| 22:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | pflanze, dpkg -l prints names and versions |
| 22:51.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | pflanze, all you need are the repositories that still contain those versions |
| 22:51.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and luck, luck, luck... :) |
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| 22:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | pflanze, without the head of course... you can chop that off :-P |
| 22:51.45 | nsadmin | themill: in a case like that you'd have to alter any svn repos too? |
| 22:52.03 | themill | nsadmin: and your working copies (well, you can't, in fact) |
| 22:52.33 | nsadmin | good point |
| 22:52.35 | themill | nsadmin: "alter" in the sense of rm -rf and then check out afresh. |
| 22:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 22:53.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but actually - having a ... cvs or whatever repository which contains versioned info on dpkg -l might be useful |
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| 22:53.30 | themill | !flw36 |
| 22:53.30 | dpkg | < stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing? < Eulex> stumbles, no < nvz> stumbles: haha < nvz> stumbles: thats cute < stumbles> heh off i go then clickety click |
| 22:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:54.32 | nsadmin | what's flw? |
| 22:54.51 | themill | famous last words |
| 22:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | even if you don't use it to downgrade, it'll be valuable for debugging sometimes |
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| 22:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | usefulness for downgrade is of course limited, because there's often some package versions you can't get |
| 22:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e not in the normal reps anymore, but not yet in snapshots (although I wonder where those are stored in the meantime) |
| 22:56.29 | nsadmin | ya, I want to downgrade to bo! |
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| 22:57.46 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: lots of times they'll still be in the mirrors but a symlink hasn't been changed yet |
| 22:58.03 | Maior | sigh |
| 22:58.05 | Maior | 22:57 <dpkg> Too many queries from you, ignoring for 5 minutes. |
| 22:58.08 | Maior | attempted to read all of the flw-en |
| 22:58.16 | Maior | (which aren't 0-indexed?? shocking ;)) |
| 22:58.23 | themill | Maior: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=*flw*&term=key |
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| 22:59.02 | Maior | themill: ahah, cheers! |
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| 23:00.27 | td123 | so I have a question about debian.. since it doesn't update packages (only security fixes) for a specific release.. and since the releases are far apart, is debian's main idea behind this is that if a package does its job, you don't need anything more? (ie new features and bug fixes) |
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| 23:01.09 | td123 | has always wondered |
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| 23:01.27 | icebrain | isn't that the purpose of sid? |
| 23:01.33 | stew | td123: the idea is that upgrading some stuff is bound to break some other. so don't change anything unless you really have to, until you are ready to move to another newer stable version |
| 23:02.14 | stew | (and the updates aren't only security fixes, but security fixes are the majority) |
| 23:02.31 | themill | !moving target |
| 23:02.31 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Config file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. |
| 23:02.56 | stew | td123: if one needs something newer than what is available on stable, there is volatile and backports: /msg dpkg volatile ; /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 23:06.05 | td123 | stew: ty, I don't actually run debian myself (used to) but I was always curious (I might put it on some of my other machines when lenny comes out ) :P |
| 23:06.55 | td123 | I always liked the debian dvd set (no network connection required for all the packages) :) |
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| 23:07.10 | Maior | just moved to Debian and is remarkably happy |
| 23:07.27 | Maior | (especially once I get used to apt-get and co., having come from urpmi/rpm) |
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| 23:10.47 | stew | Maior: don't get used to apt-get, get used to aptitude |
| 23:11.11 | Maior | ....ew |
| 23:11.24 | Maior | kinda cute, but still a little ew |
| 23:11.44 | themill | Maior: you can use aptitude as a drop-in command-line replacement for apt-get and it is recommended that you do. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 23:12.47 | Maior | themill: the implication of your directing me towards that factoid seems to be that apt-get doesn't do that, which doesn't strike me as correct |
| 23:13.06 | themill | once more in English? |
| 23:13.12 | themill | !why aptitude |
| 23:13.12 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 23:13.14 | nevyn | aptitude provides things that apt-get doesn't |
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| 23:14.04 | themill | Maior: all those things only aptitude can do and apt-get cannot, with the exception of handling automatically installed packages which is new in lenny. |
| 23:14.09 | Maior | themill: that is, "more advanced" perhaps (but I'd be interested in something actually quantifiable - r-ing tf README now) |
| 23:15.41 | newsense | themill: what do you mean by "handling automatically installed packages" |
| 23:15.49 | Maior | any tips on making it play nicely with small $COLUMNS (<= 20)? |
| 23:16.01 | Maior | otherwise, it's rather horrendous for me compared to apt-get |
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| 23:17.12 | Maior | (but nifty nonetheless) |
| 23:17.19 | themill | Maior: "aptitude install frobinator" looks awfully like "apt-get install frobinator" to me. |
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| 23:17.34 | themill | newsense: /msg dpkg autoremove ; /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 23:17.44 | nevyn | Maior: you may be confused as aptitude also includes a curses ui |
| 23:17.51 | Maior | nevyn: ah, indeed I am |
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| 23:18.26 | Maior | I'm starting to get too used to "<foo>" rather than "<foo> --help", courtesy of my 9-5 involving OSX |
| 23:18.27 | nevyn | Maior: but what themill is advocating is using it as a dropin replacment where you used apt-get due to it's superiour dependancy handling |
| 23:18.43 | Maior | that makes much more sense, cheers |
| 23:18.47 | Maior | aliases |
| 23:18.55 | newsense | themill: thanks |
| 23:18.56 | Maior | themill: yeah, sorry, cheers |
| 23:19.02 | themill | no worries. |
| 23:19.10 | nevyn | I wouldn't alias it |
| 23:19.16 | nevyn | well apt-get I would |
| 23:19.30 | nevyn | I still use apt-cache search a lot |
| 23:19.32 | themill | mumbles something about apt-get build-dep |
| 23:19.41 | Maior | nevyn: I maintain a rosetta-stone-esque set of scripts |
| 23:19.50 | nevyn | really |
| 23:19.51 | nevyn | eww |
| 23:19.55 | nevyn | use puppet |
| 23:20.07 | nevyn | puppet is the sysmgmt rosetta stone.. |
| 23:20.14 | Maior | cute |
| 23:20.16 | nevyn | and someone else maintians it. |
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| 23:20.24 | helo | dpkg: hibernate |
| 23:20.24 | dpkg | helo: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:20.29 | helo | bah |
| 23:20.38 | Maior | however, part of this is for boxen where, though I have root, I don't have vast quantities of say in the administration (yay hilarity) |
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| 23:20.50 | Maior | but cheers for the fyi |
| 23:21.02 | helo | dpkg: suspend |
| 23:21.02 | dpkg | Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (a.k.a. hibernate) or suspend to ram. The in-kernel suspend now works pretty well in etch (and even better in lenny) . There are also kernel patches that provide more features such as <tuxonice>. Installing the uswsusp and hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or kpowersave should be enough. Also ask me about <suspend troubleshooting>. |
| 23:21.43 | themill | helo: you can also /msg dpkg suspend |
| 23:21.57 | helo | is it possible to suspend without using gnome-power-manager or kpowersave? |
| 23:22.21 | themill | helo: yes, you can run s2ram or s2disk directly |
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| 23:23.34 | zu22 | i want to be able to download more packages than just the default, what can i add to my sources.list? right now it just has "deb http://ftp-mirror.internap.com/pub/debian/ etch main" |
| 23:23.38 | zu22 | i want to get all types of packages not just 'main' |
| 23:23.51 | \amethyst | zu22: add contrib non-free to the end |
| 23:23.59 | zu22 | \amethyst: thanks! |
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| 23:24.06 | \amethyst | zu22: also, you want an entry for etch-updates on security.debian.org |
| 23:24.09 | \amethyst | !etch security |
| 23:24.10 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 23:24.19 | zu22 | \amethyst: oh ok, thanks, i will add that in right now |
| 23:24.42 | themill | zu22: if there are other multimedia related things you can find, /msg dpkg dmme |
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| 23:24.54 | zu22 | themill: cool! |
| 23:25.19 | EagleScreen | Debian 5.0 comming soon :D |
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| 23:29.51 | Thasp | lspci shows this 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139 but it doesn't show up when I go ifconfig, how can I see if this is working? |
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| 23:30.32 | helo | whee... nice that i have auto-rejoin disabled in irssi so script kiddies don't jack with my ip... |
| 23:30.46 | helo | would be even nicer if it worked... |
| 23:31.17 | slacker_nl | right.. |
| 23:32.05 | slacker_nl | dist-upgrade to update packages..? |
| 23:32.16 | slacker_nl | i normally only do upgrade |
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| 23:33.03 | themill | slacker_nl: sometimes you will need a dist-upgrade to install new packages as part of a security update. e.g. DSA1576 was such a case. |
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| 23:34.28 | themill | Thasp: 8139cp or 8139too module should support that card. /msg dpkg which ethernet module |
| 23:34.38 | slacker_nl | themill: and the regular upgrade command will not install the new package? |
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| 23:34.54 | Thasp | i got it, i modprobe'd a marvell by habit :( |
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| 23:35.07 | themill | slacker_nl: correct. /msg dpkg dist-upgrade |
| 23:36.28 | slacker_nl | themill: i think i just founf my answer to this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1060870 |
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| 23:37.17 | Maior | themill: uh, is that a conflict wrt "aptitude as a dropin replacement for apt-get"? |
| 23:37.27 | Maior | "This command was originally named dist-upgrade for historical reasons, and aptitude still recognizes dist-upgrade as a synonym for full-upgrade." |
| 23:37.28 | jhamlin | using debian etch. I try to render with kpovmodeler but get "povray: cannot open the user configuration" and no rendered output. How can I get kpovmodeler to actually render?? |
| 23:37.40 | themill | Maior: in what way? |
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| 23:38.06 | Maior | themill: man apt-get describes dist-upgrade as being different to full-upgrade |
| 23:38.14 | themill | Maior: where |
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| 23:38.43 | Maior | themill: whoops sorry, I mean the dist-upgrade factoid |
| 23:38.52 | themill | Maior: full-upgrade is not mentioned anywhere in man apt-get |
| 23:38.55 | Maior | needs more sleep, my apologies |
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| 23:43.27 | jhamlin | Hmmmm weird that kpovmodeler is in etch if it doesn't work at all... |
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| 23:44.34 | stew | tomaw: ^^ |
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| 23:46.44 | themill | jhamlin: did you install the povray package too? |
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| 23:48.35 | ringo999 | hi im trying to compile mktorrent which requries openssl. I have openssl installed, however, make can't include openssl/sha.h - Where could I find that file, what am I doing wrong (not that experienced with compiling). Thanks |
| 23:48.46 | Thasp | I have a wireless card that will see a signal fine, and even work with iwlist wlan1 scan, but it will not actually connect to the AP |
| 23:48.57 | Thasp | could there be an IRQ issue, or is this an OS thing? |
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| 23:49.35 | themill | ringo999: apt-file is your friend. /msg dpkg apt-file ; apt-file search ssl/sha.h |
| 23:49.55 | themill | ringo999: when you're compiling things, you will normally need a -dev package not just the main library package. |
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| 23:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thasp, you're talking about *your* ap there, which is unencrypted and open to all? |
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| 23:57.48 | Thasp | CutMeOwnThroat, my AP across the room, it uses WPA |
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| 23:58.03 | icebrew54 | omg not WEP? |
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| 23:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thasp, uh... try unencrypted 1st, then work your way up |
| 23:58.17 | Thasp | nah my neighbors have their own internet, they don't need mien |
| 23:58.43 | Thasp | CutMeOwnThroat, it works with unencrypted and WPA with a belkin, but not a tp-link |
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| 23:58.51 | Thasp | they're both atheros |
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| 23:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | tp? |
| 23:59.43 | Thasp | some other brand of cheap wifi card |
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| 23:59.59 | ringo999 | themill: thanks. so since i have the main library already installed (through aptitude) how do i proceed? apt-file search tells me /usr/include/openssl/sha.h but that doesnt exist in my system... |
