| 00:00.08 | johndo | DeSian: i already use aptitude since i upgraded to etch |
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| 00:00.36 | johndo | i only thought about getting back to apt-get as it now also has knowledge abput autoinstalled packages ;) |
| 00:01.05 | DeSian | ! why not aptitude |
| 00:01.05 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
| 00:01.06 | johndo | but looks like it's not a good idea |
| 00:01.29 | johndo | btw, how do i get a list of obsolete packages with aptitude? |
| 00:01.39 | llimeht | dpkg: tell johndo about obsolete |
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| 00:01.44 | johndo | (from the command line) |
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| 00:02.47 | johndo | llimeht: i know how to get it in the SAA interface, but it's a pain to use |
| 00:03.00 | llimeht | keep reading |
| 00:03.17 | johndo | oops |
| 00:03.37 | llimeht | or read the docs, as an experienced debian user who thinks he can pull off an etch/lenny/sid mix would do |
| 00:04.01 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 00:04.02 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 00:04.05 | johndo | ha, good :), thanks |
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| 00:04.56 | llimeht | "remember what she did to her husband's lenny" just doesn't have the same ring to it |
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| 00:05.28 | newsense | haha |
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| 00:07.07 | mandric | if i'm on etch, how do i get ruby 1.8.6? |
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| 00:07.58 | avu | mandric, do you want specifically 1.8.6 or would 1.8.7 be ok too? |
| 00:08.06 | avu | mandric, because the latter is in etch-backports |
| 00:08.11 | mandric | avu: oh cool |
| 00:08.19 | mandric | 1.8.7 should work i would assume |
| 00:08.32 | mandric | googling |
| 00:08.40 | avu | !tell mandric about backports |
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| 00:12.41 | johndo | this aptitude search interface is a good thing |
| 00:13.00 | johndo | and lenny even has an aptitude manpage which is readable \o/ |
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| 00:13.45 | llimeht | johndo: /msg dpkg aptitude search ; /msg dpkg man aptitude fix |
| 00:14.11 | johndo | too late for the fix, i'm on the way to lenny :) |
| 00:14.26 | llimeht | fsvo to |
| 00:14.45 | [ThePro] | is there a way to block IPs that even a ping will be rejected? |
| 00:15.09 | [ThePro] | it seems someone is DDoSing me |
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| 00:16.25 | johndo | ThePro: drop all packages from that ip and he does not see you anymore |
| 00:16.37 | johndo | that still does not protect you from a dos attack, though |
| 00:17.33 | johndo | *packets |
| 00:17.50 | johndo | talked too much about packages .. |
| 00:18.17 | JyZyXEL | i wonder why i have tcpspy running |
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| 00:34.42 | olspookishmagus | hello... where's imagemagick's combine within Debian? |
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| 00:36.30 | dondelelcaro | olspookishmagus: I think you mean composite? |
| 00:36.41 | olspookishmagus | nevermind that, it's now a switch of imagemagick's convert |
| 00:36.42 | amphi | olspookishmagus: for compoiting images? if I recall correctly that's convert(1) |
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| 00:43.36 | zzattack | hi |
| 00:44.11 | twisted` | hi, I just installed apache2, php5 (cgi and module) enabled php through a2enmod but for some reason php still doesn't work |
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| 00:44.42 | LooieENG | how do you update stuff with apt? |
| 00:44.57 | LooieENG | I thought it was apt-get update appName but apparently not |
| 00:45.05 | Mousey | apt-get -t unstable install libapache-mod-php5 php5 |
| 00:45.12 | twisted` | LooieENG: apt-get upgrade |
| 00:45.23 | twisted` | Mousey: already on unstable |
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| 00:45.44 | LooieENG | thanks twisted` |
| 00:45.44 | llimeht | twisted`: how do you know it doesn't work? |
| 00:45.45 | Mousey | the important part is the "libapache-mod-php5 php5" part |
| 00:45.51 | twisted` | didn't have pgp5 package tho yet... let's try that |
| 00:45.52 | Mousey | unless you want libapache-mod-php4 php4 |
| 00:46.02 | Mousey | not pgp |
| 00:46.03 | Mousey | php |
| 00:46.06 | twisted` | php5* |
| 00:46.08 | Mousey | k |
| 00:46.09 | twisted` | duh, typo |
| 00:46.15 | Mousey | good luck then |
| 00:46.39 | twisted` | hmm... nope :( |
| 00:46.43 | Mousey | YES! |
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| 00:47.01 | twisted` | what I'm testing, is opening a file from apache... index.php |
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| 00:47.20 | llimeht | twisted`: how |
| 00:47.21 | twisted` | when I run it from the cli, e.g. php /var/www/index.php it shows what it should |
| 00:47.27 | Mousey | DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml |
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| 00:47.54 | twisted` | Mousey: it tries to download the file instead of load |
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| 00:47.58 | twisted` | (firefox anyways_ |
| 00:47.58 | llimeht | dpkg: tell twisted` about php wants me to download still |
| 00:48.10 | twisted` | oh, wthf |
| 00:48.11 | zzattack2 | my system pretty much locks up so badly that essential services as DHCP and ip masquerading time out when there's a lot of disk IO, what can I do about this? |
| 00:48.27 | Mousey | thx llimeht |
| 00:48.39 | Mousey | dpkg: tell Mousey about php wants me to download still |
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| 00:49.17 | duckman_ | hello there |
| 00:49.22 | duckman_ | i have a samba issue |
| 00:49.24 | duckman_ | :( |
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| 00:49.41 | duckman_ | explained here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=206290#206290 |
| 00:50.03 | twisted` | thanks yo |
| 00:50.57 | GhostlyDeath | How can I stop Debian from sending DHCPREQUESTs and send only DHCPDISCOVER messages when attempting to get a network address via DHCP? |
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| 00:51.13 | zzattack2 | how are the permissions on the folder that is shared duckman_? |
| 00:51.32 | duckman_ | in the remote server, 755 |
| 00:51.36 | duckman_ | zzattack, |
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| 00:51.59 | duckman_ | remote machine* |
| 00:52.24 | duckman_ | its very strange.. i mount it with the user and password, the folder is owned by that user |
| 00:52.24 | llimeht | GhostlyDeath: man 5 dhclient.conf => "request" |
| 00:52.27 | zzattack2 | also on the files you try to edit/rename? |
| 00:52.47 | GhostlyDeath | llimeht: I'll check it out thanks |
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| 00:52.55 | duckman_ | zzattack, take a look: drwxr-xr-x 3 courtney courtney 4096 2009-02-05 23:19 Hocico |
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| 00:53.11 | duckman_ | zzattack, i mounted with cifs, with that user |
| 00:53.21 | llimeht | GhostlyDeath: hmmm, no, that's actually a different option. |
| 00:53.26 | duckman_ | zzattack, i can create, delete files, but not edit them |
| 00:54.01 | zzattack2 | but is there a difference between the folder permissinos and the file permissions? |
| 00:54.11 | duckman_ | zzattack, lets see.. |
| 00:54.29 | duckman_ | zzattack, no really.. :( |
| 00:54.33 | GhostlyDeath | llimeht: I think it does "In some cases, it may be desirable to send no parameter request list at all." |
| 00:54.34 | duckman_ | they have the same |
| 00:54.58 | GhostlyDeath | oh, yes it is the wrong one |
| 00:55.00 | duckman_ | zzattack, -rwxr-xr-x and drwxr-xr-x |
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| 00:55.02 | llimeht | GhostlyDeath: that's the for the list of options the client requests, e.g. nameservers etc |
| 00:55.18 | llimeht | GhostlyDeath: the better question is why you are wanting to do this |
| 00:55.35 | GhostlyDeath | So my IP isn't the same on every single network I connect to |
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| 00:56.22 | duckman_ | zzattack, the worst thing is , from windows there is no problem.. |
| 00:56.23 | llimeht | GhostlyDeath: that's up to the dhcp server to decide |
| 00:56.23 | GhostlyDeath | well, most networks anyway |
| 00:56.32 | zzattack2 | duckman_ that seems fine indeed |
| 00:57.15 | duckman_ | zzattack, and the same happens with other share, "/var/www" |
| 00:57.23 | zzattack2 | duckman_: it misses public write though |
| 00:57.36 | zzattack2 | duckman_: could you for debugging purposes chmod it 777? |
| 00:57.49 | duckman_ | zzattack, ok |
| 00:57.51 | llimeht | GhostlyDeath: if your dhcp client requests an IP that is not within the lease range that the server wants to give out, it will not get an ACK and will then have to do a discover to get an IP. |
| 00:58.19 | duckman_ | zzattack, chmod 777 /media/backup/ -R, done |
| 00:58.22 | GhostlyDeath | llimeht: I want it to use whatever IP DHCP gives me |
| 00:58.53 | GhostlyDeath | not what my computer wants currently |
| 00:58.54 | llimeht | GhostlyDeath: you will, that's how dhcp works. It's just that you can request an IP and you may (or may not) get that IP. |
| 00:59.09 | duckman_ | zzattack, "index.html" E212: Can't open file for writing :( |
| 00:59.20 | duckman_ | zzattack, (from my local pc) |
| 00:59.24 | zzattack2 | probably not necessary but did you remount? |
| 00:59.35 | duckman_ | zzattack, i´ll try |
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| 00:59.46 | GhostlyDeath | llimeht: I know that but I want to disable specific IP requests |
| 00:59.47 | JyZyXEL | llimeht are you willing to bet your life on that? |
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| 01:00.16 | llimeht | JyZyXEL: you make shit ads;l modems. go fix them |
| 01:00.16 | duckman_ | zzattack, no difference |
| 01:00.20 | zzattack2 | duckman_: try adding public = yes |
| 01:00.20 | llimeht | GhostlyDeath: *why* do you want dhcp to behave differently to how it is supposed to behave? |
| 01:00.23 | zzattack2 | sorry, sec |
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| 01:01.03 | zzattack2 | try adding public = yes, create mode = 777, directory mode = 777 |
| 01:01.12 | JyZyXEL | llimeht I leaked all the firmware sources and schematics |
| 01:01.30 | \amethyst | llimeht: he doesn't want to try renewing his old lease on the new network |
| 01:01.41 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 01:01.49 | llimeht | but for what purpose? to save 5 seconds? |
| 01:02.03 | duckman_ | zzattack2, done, nothing happened |
| 01:02.09 | Mousey | is there a difference between the gnome clock applet in debian and ubuntu? |
| 01:02.20 | zzattack2 | duckman_, restarted samba and remounted? |
| 01:02.32 | duckman_ | zzattack2, yes :( |
| 01:02.34 | llimeht | JyZyXEL: I don't care. That was at best unethical and does nothing to help free software or debian. Don't be so proud of that in #debian/ |
| 01:02.48 | duckman_ | zzattack2, http://pastebin.com/m66d821a2 |
| 01:02.51 | JyZyXEL | oh :( |
| 01:03.05 | duckman_ | zzattack2, the user is called courtney now, ignore that |
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| 01:03.17 | zzattack2 | duckman_: it says 755, not 777 |
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| 01:03.36 | duckman_ | zzattack2, oh, sorry, i will change it there too |
| 01:03.52 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: if it's just the timeout, you can reduce the reboot time in dhclient.conf (default is 10 seconds) |
| 01:04.06 | zzattack2 | duckman_: oh good, that was pretty much the last i could think of |
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| 01:04.21 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: otherwise, you could try removing the dhclient lease files |
| 01:04.33 | duckman_ | zzattack2, no diff :| |
| 01:04.51 | zzattack2 | then im affraid you'll have to ask in #samab |
| 01:05.08 | llimeht | I still don't understand *why* you're trying to monkey with dhcp in this way. |
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| 01:05.21 | duckman_ | zzattack2, good idea, thanks for your time |
| 01:05.24 | duckman_ | zzattack2, :) |
| 01:05.32 | zzattack2 | no problem |
| 01:05.38 | firefox | So, I have the flash problem with iceweasel. videos wont play. I have even purged iceweasel/all the flash stuff I have tried/ and even java. DnR didnt work.. so whats the next step? BTW I did have it working once... and after reboot it quit. |
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| 01:05.51 | zzattack2 | firefox: 64bit? |
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| 01:06.07 | firefox | 32 |
| 01:06.13 | llimeht | firefox: how are you trying to install flash? etch or lenny? |
| 01:06.21 | firefox | etch |
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| 01:06.46 | llimeht | firefox: you can't use flash10 with etch. /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 01:07.07 | firefox | not even the one you get from adobe? |
| 01:07.35 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: I suppose removing the leases would work |
| 01:08.11 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: thanks |
| 01:08.35 | llimeht | GhostlyDeath: I still don't understand *why* you're trying to monkey with dhcp in this way. |
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| 01:09.02 | GhostlyDeath | llimeht: Do you need to know why? |
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| 01:09.15 | llimeht | GhostlyDeath: it just seems like a waste of time, that's all. |
| 01:10.21 | firefox | I have used the flashplayer-mozilla before... same results I think I will removes all my flash stuff and try just that one then now. I'll let you know. ty |
| 01:10.33 | llimeht | GhostlyDeath: usually (but by no means all the time), when we can't see why you're trying to do something, it's because you're approaching the problem the wrong way. Or maybe we're seeing a use case we've never thought of. If it's the former, we can help you better, if it's the latter, then we get to learn something out of the exchange. |
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| 01:16.10 | at0m|c | hi, how can i see what processes use nfsd module? |
| 01:16.23 | firefox | ghostly: are you basically just trying to get the dhcp for the settings and having it set you up within the same criteria, so you dont show up on the dhcp clients list? |
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| 01:18.06 | lkthomas | guys, how could I config only owner could remove folder/files ? |
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| 01:19.35 | at0m|c | lkthomas: man chmod. for files, chmod 644, for folders chmod 755 |
| 01:19.50 | at0m|c | buit read that man so you understand |
| 01:19.56 | at0m|c | but |
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| 01:22.44 | \amethyst | lkthomas: sticky bit on the directory that contains the files |
| 01:23.21 | \amethyst | lkthomas: otherwise anyone who can write to a directory can remove files from that directory, regardless of the file permissions |
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| 01:27.06 | lkthomas | sticky bit = ? |
| 01:27.25 | \amethyst | lkthomas: chmod +t it's also called the 'restricted deletion' bit in man chmod |
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| 01:27.31 | stevedondley | what's the easiest way to determine my computer's architecture? intel/amd and 32/64 bit |
| 01:27.51 | stevedondley | I did cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:27.52 | lkthomas | \amethyst, so only owner could remove file, am I correct ? |
| 01:28.16 | stevedondley | but not sure how to determine whether it's 32 or 64 bit |
| 01:28.22 | dimm | good bye! :-) |
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| 01:28.33 | \amethyst | lkthomas: if the directory is sticky, then files in that directory can only be removed by someone who BOTH 1.) owns the file 2.) has write permission to the directory |
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| 01:28.50 | lkthomas | I see, ok |
| 01:28.54 | lkthomas | let me try, thanks |
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| 01:31.14 | mohadib | howdy |
| 01:31.41 | mohadib | to add a command line option to mysql, should i edit q1 |
| 01:31.43 | mohadib | er |
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| 01:31.57 | mohadib | should i edit /etc/mysql/debian-start ? |
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| 01:43.49 | sprax | so whats with sun-java5-jre (or java5-sun-jre)? Debian and non-free software and special licenses?? |
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| 01:45.09 | mydrmeix | maybe its compatibility |
| 01:45.30 | afroken | hi, is this setup possible: debian server with 5 thinclients, the clients' hard drive is on the server, they boot from network to get the OS image , the OS needs to be XP , would i be able to run XP in vmware and get the clients to use it? |
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| 01:47.01 | sprax | afroken you want to PXE boot XP on some computers with images hosted on a Debian server? |
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| 01:47.15 | \amethyst | afroken: is Windows going to be running on a VM on the server, or on the client? |
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| 01:47.23 | afroken | sprax, yes |
| 01:47.49 | afroken | \amethyst, i think i havent explained well, the client have no disc. |
| 01:47.54 | \amethyst | that's fine |
| 01:48.08 | \amethyst | you don't need vmware to run a diskless workstation |
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| 01:48.28 | afroken | \amethyst, does that mean i can have a linux server with XP images? |
| 01:48.32 | \amethyst | the question is, whose CPU is going to be executing Windows programs, the client's CPU or the virtual CPU on the server |
| 01:48.42 | afroken | clients |
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| 01:49.01 | \amethyst | afroken: the images are just files as far as the server is concerned |
| 01:49.07 | sprax | so a client with no hard drive needs to have a working windows desktop? |
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| 01:49.21 | StaosWork | !seen sclebo05 |
| 01:49.22 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'sclebo05', StaosWork |
| 01:49.33 | sprax | I don't know if XP will tolerate being PXE booted, but if so, then it should be pretty easy |
| 01:49.42 | Gnu_Raiz | !lenny |
| 01:49.43 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release (5.0, currently also known as "testing"). Lenny will be released real soon now.... To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. See also <wwlr> <testing> and <lenny status>. |
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| 01:50.02 | afroken | \amethyst, but i think the server would need to run some programme to make them bootable no? at the monet some proprietory win20003 is doing it |
| 01:50.15 | Gnu_Raiz | !lenny status |
| 01:50.15 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny> |
| 01:50.29 | \amethyst | afroken: that I don't know---it depends on what methods the clients have for getting the images |
| 01:50.37 | asg | Gnu_Raiz: you can also /msg the bot |
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| 01:50.58 | Stanlin | Yellow |
| 01:51.00 | Gnu_Raiz | looks like I have something to do this weekend. |
| 01:51.00 | afroken | \amethyst, ok, i will google more and come back |
| 01:51.15 | sprax | I think there is a PXE howto |
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| 01:51.15 | asg | Stanlin: stop that, you've been warned before |
| 01:51.43 | Stanlin | asg: excuse me? |
| 01:52.32 | asg | Stanlin: typing random shit in a channel is a waste of everyone's time. |
| 01:53.13 | asg | Stanlin: 21:17 < abrotman> Stanlin: stop it, you're being annoying again |
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| 01:53.46 | sprax | hmm |
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| 01:53.55 | sprax | shoulda waited a minute |
| 01:53.58 | sprax | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/text/Network-boot-HOWTO |
| 01:54.38 | \amethyst | sprax: that's old though "MS-Windows does not support diskless booting" |
| 01:55.00 | \amethyst | sprax: if you happen to be here when he gets back, http://sysadminman.net/blog/archives/8 seems relevant |
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| 01:55.39 | jzhou | sorry about that mistyped |
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| 01:56.13 | sprax | \amethyst thanks, I'm sure it was current when I last read it :) |
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| 02:02.00 | at0m|c | http://www.fogproject.org also serves PXE boots, was listening to their FLOSS podcast the other day.. they're serving large amounts of clients from a single server providing different OS's. |
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| 02:15.48 | enouf | sprax: no idea http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
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| 02:18.15 | LordOfThePings | hm |
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| 02:18.53 | LordOfThePings | enouf, ping |
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| 02:23.41 | Aster0ID | hey guys |
| 02:24.00 | misfitx7 | hey |
| 02:24.13 | Aster0ID | I'm getting a little frustrated here :) Debian will not mount an external usb hard drive |
| 02:24.22 | Aster0ID | What do I need to do? |
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| 02:24.49 | asg | Aster0ID: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 02:25.54 | Aster0ID | asg, what does all that mean (what dpkg is telling me. I am a newbie |
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| 02:27.12 | stew | !usb-storage |
| 02:27.12 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 02:27.21 | stew | Aster0ID: which part don't you understand? |
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| 02:27.32 | Aster0ID | how do I load 'usb-storage' |
| 02:27.38 | stew | Aster0ID: modprobe usb-storage |
| 02:27.38 | Aster0ID | does that mean connect the device? |
| 02:27.56 | stew | Aster0ID: no, it means 'load a kernel module name usb-storage' |
| 02:28.04 | liable | udev should do it for you |
| 02:28.21 | liable | check dmesg to see what it said when you plugged the device in |
| 02:29.08 | Aster0ID | brb |
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| 02:42.31 | karsten | Aster0ID: How are you attempting to mount external devices? What error messages are you getting (CLI or GUI)? |
| 02:42.39 | Stanlin | asg: random what?? i cant say hello? |
| 02:43.58 | karsten | Stanlin: last I checked, "Yellow" wasn't a greeting in any particular language. |
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| 02:44.16 | karsten | Stanlin: And there's only one winner when you argue with an op. |
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| 02:46.26 | debclair | hi everyone, can you please tell me what does the all-generic-ide boot parameter and how to use it? |
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| 02:58.09 | bullgard4 | What is an 'Internet file' as used in 'man lsof'? |
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| 03:02.00 | Stanlin | arguing? who what?? i just said hello... |
| 03:03.52 | stew | Stanlin: just drop it please. do you have something we could help you with? |
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| 03:07.56 | bluesman_ | hi all |
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| 03:08.31 | bluesman_ | i ve installed via debootstrap a sid on a AMD alix 2.6.26 but i wonder why proc is empty! |
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| 03:08.39 | bluesman_ | i also can't see any hd* sd* |
| 03:08.42 | bluesman_ | in /dev |
| 03:08.45 | bluesman_ | what's wrong? |
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| 03:10.29 | liable | mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 03:12.04 | ozatomic | i can find lib32stdc++6 and was wondering if there was a lib32stdc++5? |
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| 03:13.41 | Aster0ID | Can someone direct me to a Guide that shows me how to properly mount an external USB ntfs hard drive in Debian lenny? |
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| 03:14.04 | Aster0ID | When I connect it I get the Gnome window error message saying something.. |
| 03:14.10 | stew | Aster0ID: do you need readonly? or readwrite? |
| 03:14.27 | Aster0ID | stew, umm I think read write |
| 03:14.33 | karsten | bluesman_: Have you rebooted into the install yet or are you still in the installation environment from which you ran debootstrap? |
| 03:14.41 | stew | Aster0ID: install ntfs3g and read /usr/share/doc/ntfs3g |
| 03:14.56 | bluesman_ | karsten, i ve rebooted on the alix , outside chroot |
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| 03:15.01 | Aster0ID | apt-get install ntfs3g ??? |
| 03:15.05 | bluesman_ | i see loading kernel |
| 03:15.08 | bluesman_ | and then nothing |
| 03:15.10 | bluesman_ | it reboots |
| 03:15.17 | stew | Aster0ID: sure, and http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 03:15.40 | stew | Aster0ID: err, its 'ntfs-3g' not 'ntfs3g' |
| 03:16.02 | Aster0ID | thank you stew, will Automount work after I install it? |
| 03:16.13 | bluesman_ | infact in /dev there isn't (via chroot or just mounted) any hd* sd* |
| 03:16.29 | stew | Aster0ID: i don't know. what is the error? |
| 03:16.33 | obnauticus | What's a good second-stage bootloader that I can use to netbook any OS I may wish to install or boot live? |
| 03:16.45 | Aster0ID | stew, let me check, one moment |
| 03:16.58 | obnauticus | Like say i have 5 OS's that I can choose to install over my network, I have a netboot thing that gives me a menu where I can select which one I would like to install. |
| 03:18.12 | Aster0ID | stew, "invalid mount option when attempting to mountvolume" |
| 03:18.47 | stew | Aster0ID: i don't know. sorry |
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| 03:19.53 | bullgard4 | What is an 'Internet file' as used in 'man lsof'? |
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| 03:22.45 | avu | bullgard4, a file descriptor lsof 'lists open files' after all. so when it lists sockets, it lists them just because open sockets and open files are basically the same (ie file descriptors) |
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| 03:23.05 | avu | s/or/or./ |
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| 03:25.24 | simonrvn | bullgard4: in *nix, everthing is a file. |
| 03:25.47 | avu | well, it really is only as simple than that in theory :) |
| 03:25.52 | obnauticus | simonrvn in windows, everything is a file. |
| 03:26.08 | simonrvn | not like this |
| 03:26.26 | stew | files are special cases of registry entries |
| 03:26.33 | avu | heh |
| 03:26.51 | Aster0ID | stew, installing ntfs-3g fixed everything. Thanks |
| 03:27.14 | simonrvn | is listening to Scissor Tail and Bear Creek - Track 05 |
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| 03:28.03 | Aster0ID | Where can I check if my video card is supported by Debian/Linux? |
| 03:28.51 | faffi | Aster0ID: what kind of card is it, generally nvidia is supported more than ati |
| 03:29.00 | Aster0ID | ati radeon hd 3600 |
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| 03:29.47 | stew | Aster0ID: yes, it is supported |
| 03:30.07 | Aster0ID | faffi, how do you check for hardware (whether or not supported?) is there a website? |
| 03:30.07 | stew | (according to "man radeonhd") |
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| 03:30.18 | Aster0ID | stew, ah, I see |
| 03:30.20 | Aster0ID | cool |
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| 03:30.54 | bullgard4 | avu: Thank you for explaining. |
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| 03:41.05 | acadavid | Hi everybody. I made a fresh Debian (Testing) Installation. After installing i enabled pppoe (using pppoeconf) but it disconnects after a while... Actually it doesn't disconnect completly.. it's just i can't visit any other website (but i can still use emesene for example).. I've been looking for info about how to fix this but no success.. any idea about what can i do? |
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| 03:51.07 | yeti | Anyone looking for a tiling window manager for their console? I just discovered dvtm, its badass |
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| 03:57.50 | homecable | udp 0 0 *:bootpc *:* |
| 03:57.56 | homecable | what runs on that ? |
| 03:58.03 | homecable | port udp 68 |
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| 03:59.03 | testeman | /topic |
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| 04:03.17 | TwistOfFate | anyone installed nagios3 on debian? |
| 04:03.22 | TwistOfFate | i'm worried that it's installing samba too |
| 04:05.05 | simonrvn | look at the deps |
| 04:05.17 | homecable | what runs on port 68 ? |
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| 04:06.13 | jester45 | anything you want 2 but commonly 68 is used for bootp-client |
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| 04:06.20 | learning | anyone have scripts/software for 29/36 stuff? |
| 04:07.05 | jester45 | homecable, its a bootstrap client |
| 04:09.01 | learning | i've half a mind to join a club and beat you with it |
| 04:09.34 | jester45 | where did your other half go? |
| 04:10.47 | learning | the ball and chain is around here somewhere |
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| 04:14.05 | learning | she doesn't know about anything though.. its nice when she leaves me alone for a change |
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| 04:16.48 | uzbek | hi all! |
| 04:17.03 | learning | <feels ignored |
| 04:17.16 | uzbek | how can i disable system beep sound? |
| 04:17.22 | learning | unplug |
| 04:17.59 | learning | if that doesn't work, use the hose |
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| 04:20.42 | uzbek | what about throwing away my laptop? ;) learning |
| 04:21.07 | gewt | i break morning. |
| 04:21.10 | gewt | wrong tab. |
| 04:21.41 | learning | before i start, i have something to say... |
| 04:23.08 | learning | i have no idea how to fix.. just on here while looking for proof of intelligent designs |
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| 04:25.33 | uzbek | ok, |
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| 04:26.41 | PowerMX | hello who can help with iptables ??? |
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| 04:27.16 | PowerMX | hello who can help with iptables ??? |
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| 04:29.06 | learning | only like 600 ppl in the room.. maybe 10 check this once an hour |
| 04:29.15 | Rusty1 | !iptables |
| 04:29.16 | dpkg | hmm... iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
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| 04:30.05 | fas3r | hello |
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| 04:30.28 | learning | high? |
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| 04:30.53 | liable | eh? |
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| 04:31.58 | learning | wizard your waxing staff |
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| 04:32.34 | homecable | what tcl do i need to complie an eggdrop on debian ? |
| 04:32.47 | homecable | i dont want to apt-get install eggdrop |
| 04:32.51 | fas3r | do you know if exist a list of card who support POE (power over ethernet) .. |
| 04:33.04 | homecable | i want to beable to complie it on my own |
| 04:33.42 | dmoerner | homecable: Apt-get build-dep eggdrop |
| 04:34.27 | PowerMX | Rusty1 i cant open port from ircd maby can help i give u info u install ? |
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| 04:35.50 | liable | wat? |
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| 04:36.23 | PowerMX | ? |
| 04:36.49 | bazgee3 | Everyone check out my new forum! Its full of great people and great things to do with your spare time. http://www.livemayhem.com |
| 04:37.06 | enouf | no |
| 04:37.14 | homecable | dmoerner have u use that before ? |
| 04:37.17 | liable | bazgee3: dont spam here please |
| 04:37.32 | bazgee3 | Everyone check out my new forum! Its full of great people and great things to do with your spare time. http://www.livemayhem.com |
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| 04:37.39 | homecable | ban him |
| 04:37.46 | homecable | he spamed efnet |
| 04:37.55 | liable | give me ops and i will |
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| 04:40.08 | Rusty1 | PowerMX: can't really help. maybe describe your firewall setup somebody else can |
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| 04:42.40 | enouf | !+tell PowerMX -about ask |
| 04:42.40 | dpkg | told PowerMX about ask. |
| 04:42.59 | fas3r | it's possible to active power over ethernet (POE) on 3c90x card ( 3 com )? |
| 04:43.15 | enouf | ask them |
| 04:43.49 | enouf | 3com sucked ass ever since winmodems |
| 04:44.25 | fas3r | realtek ? |
| 04:45.10 | enouf | i don't know |
| 04:46.04 | PowerMX | :) |
| 04:46.28 | pickcoder | fas3r: if you need poe then consider a cheap poe auto-sensing switch |
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| 04:46.45 | pickcoder | or you can try frying hardware.. |
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| 04:47.00 | PowerMX | i can't create ircd server for fedora |
| 04:47.24 | mydrmeix | this is bunk I install dev for X.h and I still get make errors the header doesnt exist |
| 04:47.46 | mydrmeix | im not very skilled in make command options |
| 04:48.20 | faffi | mydrmeix: what are you compiling |
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| 04:48.29 | faffi | oh lol its right there |
| 04:48.43 | faffi | mydrmeix: try pointing the ./configure to the header location? |
| 04:48.58 | pickcoder | mydrmeix: make sure all of the dev packages you need are installed |
| 04:49.09 | pickcoder | apt-file search <header file> |
| 04:49.20 | fas3r | pickcoder: do you know if exist list of supported card ? |
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| 04:49.43 | pickcoder | fas3r: poe is a function of the hardware so look on the 3com site |
| 04:50.14 | mydrmeix | faffi: Its a tone dialer doesnt have configure, but searching for the souce |
| 04:50.15 | fas3r | i have reltek card too |
| 04:50.17 | pickcoder | like I said before, if you're not sure and you need poe get an auto-sensing poe switch |
| 04:50.18 | mydrmeix | *source |
| 04:50.37 | fas3r | it's just when i had recompil my kernel i have see poe on netcard in experimental |
| 04:50.48 | enouf | no |
| 04:51.25 | mydrmeix | geez, Id take any DTMF dialer for gtk\X11 |
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| 04:52.28 | enouf | no, use windows you weenies |
| 04:53.25 | enouf | stop trying to homogenize you bozos |
| 04:54.03 | liable | pastuerises enouf |
| 04:54.05 | pickcoder | enouf: is that neccesary? |
| 04:54.19 | enouf | pickcoder: very |
| 04:54.31 | pickcoder | wonders why it wasn't called louieizing |
| 04:54.48 | enouf | liable: learn how to spell louie ;-) |
| 04:55.13 | learning | the wise can be spelled many ways |
| 04:55.26 | enouf | learning: learn this |
| 04:55.34 | learning | i am |
| 04:55.36 | pickcoder | prefers BCD |
| 04:55.52 | liable | has OCD |
| 04:56.18 | learning | looking for docs/scripts/software.. etc.. learned it all from scratch, staring at agent names/satanist sites 'till they started to blur and make sense |
| 04:56.39 | enouf | no you don't - not when it comes to rafter tails |
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| 04:57.06 | pickcoder | geez it's windy out |
| 04:57.26 | hachi | does anyone know why libtap-parser-perl isn't making libtest-harness-perl install on my lenny machine? |
| 04:57.36 | hachi | dpkg --status shows |
| 04:57.36 | dpkg | hachi: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:57.37 | hachi | Depends: libtest-harness-perl |
| 04:58.02 | hachi | but yet, dpkg --status libtest-harness-perl isn't showing anything |
| 04:58.07 | enouf | try apt-cache depends |
| 04:58.25 | hachi | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.32 | hachi | yup, it's there again |
| 04:58.50 | hachi | rdepends the other direction shows it |
| 04:58.57 | \amethyst | hachi: libtest-harness-perl is provided by recent perl-modules |
| 04:59.15 | enouf | so you have some rule that disallows Recommends |
| 04:59.25 | hachi | but I'm trying to get Tap::Parser installed |
| 04:59.38 | hachi | which is in libtest-harness-perl, and not in perl-modules |
| 04:59.51 | enouf | you're not doing it right |
| 05:00.00 | hachi | how do I depend on that module then? |
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| 05:00.19 | \amethyst | hachi: libtap-parser-perl is just a dummy package |
| 05:00.20 | enouf | what? |
| 05:00.23 | hachi | yes, it is |
| 05:00.38 | \amethyst | so Tap::Parser isn't available in debian |
| 05:00.40 | hachi | and it depends on libtest-harness-perl... why is perl-modules providing it? |
| 05:00.41 | learning | high tails? some kinda unwritten rules or somethin? |
| 05:00.42 | enouf | \amethyst: dummy = metapackage? |
| 05:00.57 | hachi | perl-modules doesn't actually provide the modules |
| 05:00.57 | \amethyst | enouf: transition package |
| 05:01.20 | enouf | \amethyst: transition? like the -k7 linux-images? |
| 05:01.52 | enouf | !transition |
| 05:02.04 | enouf | !metapackage |
| 05:02.04 | dpkg | it has been said that metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 05:02.40 | mydrmeix | http://pastebin.com/d37f6a8dd |
| 05:02.40 | homecable | my eggdrop isnt connecting |
| 05:02.41 | \amethyst | enouf: yes |
| 05:02.49 | enouf | \amethyst: right |
| 05:03.23 | enouf | homecable: if eggdrop isn't making soup daily - dump it |
| 05:04.12 | learning | pay no attention to the man behind the curtain |
| 05:04.17 | enouf | homecable: atleast .. itt must output eggfooyoung |
| 05:04.45 | \amethyst | hachi: Test::Harness has been moved into the core as of perl 5.10 |
| 05:05.10 | PowerMX | who can login in m root and installircd server Thanks for help |
| 05:05.26 | enouf | PowerMX: what? |
| 05:05.57 | PowerMX | enouf ircd server u can install ? |
| 05:05.59 | mydrmeix | development on debian seems tough |
| 05:06.01 | learning | stupid agents never have anything to say : / |
| 05:06.21 | mydrmeix | most freely available source code compiles on redhat |
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| 05:07.05 | fas3r | pickcoder: i have this netcard ; RealteK RTL8110SC |
| 05:07.33 | enouf | PowerMX: i know nothing about ircd |
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| 05:09.15 | enouf | PowerMX: you might want to look into user group access |
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| 05:11.14 | enouf | PowerMX: do noot pm people, pm bots |
| 05:11.26 | PowerMX | slaps enouf around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:11.51 | enouf | !penixstrike PowerMX |
| 05:11.51 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking PowerMX to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 05:12.01 | PowerMX | :D |
| 05:13.15 | PowerMX | there all people speak but no help who know comand open port i need help 2 mins but i cant i dont know |
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| 05:13.20 | PowerMX | fedora linux |
| 05:13.36 | enouf | fedora? |
| 05:13.43 | enouf | o m f g |
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| 05:13.54 | BlueEyes | hola |
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| 05:14.41 | zu22 | running testing, how can i fix my locale? http://pastebin.com/f453bb540 |
| 05:14.43 | enouf | idiot\ |
| 05:14.59 | zu22 | enouf: ? |
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| 05:15.20 | enouf | was going to pass out free brown contact lenses :0 |
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| 05:16.07 | enouf | zu22: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:16.15 | PowerMX | http://www.dagiticisunucum.net/cccheck/ |
| 05:16.18 | PowerMX | :D |
| 05:16.41 | learning | i am gonna pass out carved pumpkins this year |
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| 05:18.04 | enouf | learnsa learning how to use an exacto knife |
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| 05:19.45 | liable | why wontr iceweasel open an rtmp stream? |
| 05:20.14 | craigevil | liable: url? |
| 05:20.20 | learning | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:20.31 | liable | craigevil: |
| 05:20.43 | liable | rtmp://cp44823.edgefcs.net/ondemand/flash/tv/streams/gardening_australia/calabriangarden_ep02_2009.flv |
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| 05:22.49 | \amethyst | liable: because firefox doesn't do RTMP ? |
| 05:23.00 | liable | buggered if i know |
| 05:23.08 | liable | i just want to watch the video |
| 05:23.09 | PowerMX | who can login in m root and installircd server Thanks for help |
| 05:24.13 | enouf | ok ffoouungg tyjr e eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:24.48 | learning | cmon man.......... |
| 05:24.49 | enouf | PowerMX: rephrase |
| 05:25.54 | PowerMX | enouf install ircd u know who is |
| 05:25.55 | PowerMX | ? |
| 05:27.52 | amphi | !:e |
| 05:27.52 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
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| 05:28.10 | liable | is that welsh? |
| 05:28.16 | \amethyst | heh |
| 05:28.26 | amphi | nah, too many vowels |
| 05:28.54 | Supaplex | it's ciphertext for "I can has a cheezeburger?" |
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| 05:29.02 | liable | hmm, doesnt look like i can play rtmp in linux. that sucks balls |
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| 05:29.34 | Supaplex | rtmp gay asian midget pr0n? |
| 05:29.44 | PowerMX | i see there 7oo peoplebtthere oly loser |
| 05:29.45 | \amethyst | liable: supposedly there is some windows shareware program that works in wine... |
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| 05:30.01 | PowerMX | ok bye all Thanks for HELP :D |
| 05:30.12 | \amethyst | liable: and there is work in progress on supporting rtmp in gnash |
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| 05:30.22 | liable | \amethyst: yeah, i saw that. just surprised there is no native support |
| 05:30.28 | liable | saw that too |
| 05:30.34 | liable | !curse adobe |
| 05:30.34 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, adobe! |
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| 05:31.11 | \amethyst | liable: adobe flash player can play it, but presumably you need to generate a .swf that points to the stream or something |
| 05:31.13 | karsten | Ouch, that hurts. |
| 05:31.19 | \amethyst | and I know nothing about that |
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| 05:31.38 | kamathln | anybody from eeepc.debian.net around ? |
| 05:31.46 | liable | yeah |
| 05:32.13 | \amethyst | you can write if foo; then { bar; baz; fum; }; fi |
| 05:32.14 | liable | kamathln: whats up? |
| 05:32.15 | \amethyst | doh |
| 05:32.32 | kamathln | liable: i keep geting the GPG error |
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| 05:33.07 | liable | kamathln: hmm, the repo hasnt had any changes for ages, had no other complaints |
| 05:33.25 | kamathln | liable: of course i can use it .. but was worried |
| 05:33.34 | kamathln | liable: W: GPG error: http://eeepc.debian.net lenny Release: The following signatures c |
| 05:33.39 | liable | kamathln: did you use our installer? |
| 05:33.50 | kamathln | liable: err. no .. pure debian .. |
| 05:33.57 | kamathln | liable: used your repo for madwifi |
| 05:34.16 | liable | kamathln: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Repository |
| 05:34.18 | kamathln | liable: where do i get the keys / |
| 05:34.21 | kamathln | oh ok |
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| 05:35.06 | cunzhang | hi, I gets error "cc1:error:unrecognized option `-fwrapv'" when I try to install cx_freeze(a python package which makes python work with c) |
| 05:35.32 | kamathln | liable: damn.. I am really sorrry.. must have overlooked it |
| 05:35.47 | liable | no worries |
| 05:36.20 | cunzhang | Is there anything wrong? or how can I remove the parameter `-fwrapv'? |
| 05:36.57 | kamathln | liable: yippee .. no errors.. thx and c ya |
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| 05:37.14 | learning | guys have anything on the mathematical basis of languages? |
| 05:37.29 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:37.29 | learning | wondering if there are other patterns |
| 05:37.52 | liable | Guerin: i think someone handed out acid in the channel earlier |
| 05:37.56 | mydrmeix | i wouldn't call a Thinkpad for a eeepc upgrade |
| 05:38.04 | mydrmeix | doh |
| 05:38.08 | liable | huh? |
| 05:38.09 | Guerin | liable: so it would appear |
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| 05:40.45 | cunzhang | so bad. I can't find anything useful for me with google :( |
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| 05:46.15 | wd | trying to install kernel manually just did make install, i also installed lilo do i need to do the depmod "kernel" then mkinitrd.yaird because there is already ramdisk right? |
| 05:47.56 | Tapout | is there a way to compute non-standard packages that are installed? One of my boxes needs the primary disk swapped, so I gotta redo it. I want to list all the packages I installed so I can figure out which ones I gotta reinstall when redone |
| 05:48.45 | stew | Tapout: maybe try apt-show-versions |
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| 05:50.20 | Tapout | thanks stew |
| 05:50.44 | Tapout | second question, is there a person/place you guys trust to get a 5.1.30 *.deb file for etch? Sadly I need row-based replication in mysql |
| 05:52.12 | liable | backports? |
| 05:52.56 | Tapout | nah, that ends up causing havoc on my box |
| 05:53.10 | Tapout | all these other packages required upgrading and stuff for lenny |
| 05:53.14 | Tapout | and backports doesn't have 5.1.30 |
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| 05:54.50 | stew | no, backports wouldn't until it is in testing |
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| 05:55.06 | sysfault | how do i grab specific pkgs from lenny or sid? A pkg such as dynamips |
| 05:56.09 | stew | sysfault: /msg dpkg backports |
| 05:56.37 | stew | sysfault: you wouldn't want to install a package from lenny or sid directly, it will be compiled against the wrong libraries. use a backport instead |
| 05:58.13 | sysfault | stew, thanks. |
| 05:58.32 | mydrmeix | is gone.. autoaway after 15 min ..[cyp(l/on.p/on)] |
| 05:58.47 | Mousey | waves the bullshit flag |
| 05:58.49 | stew | mydrmeix: please turn that off in here |
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| 05:59.16 | Mousey | if it's compiled against the wrong libs, those libs will be installed as well, updating anything depending on them as well |
| 05:59.18 | mydrmeix | stew: sorry |
| 05:59.29 | Mousey | might be a big update, but the whole system profits as a result |
| 05:59.43 | Mousey | i am nobody tho, please ignore me. i'm clearly insane |
| 05:59.57 | stew | Mousey: no that's the problem. you don't want to just upgrade lots of core libraries to unstable |
| 06:00.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | \ignore Mousey |
| 06:00.10 | Mousey | seriously. i've never run debian another way |
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| 06:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't work :-P |
| 06:00.15 | Mousey | nor have i had an issue |
| 06:00.20 | Mousey | CutMeOwnThroat: windows is backwards =P |
| 06:00.22 | stew | judd: depends dynamips |
| 06:00.24 | Mousey | unix is forwards / |
| 06:00.30 | stew | judd: depends dynamips --release lenny |
| 06:00.31 | judd | stew: dynamips -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.3-1) |
| 06:00.43 | Mousey | apt-get -t unstable <packagename< |
| 06:00.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I knew that windows was backwards! |
| 06:00.48 | Mousey | <packagename> even |
| 06:00.53 | stew | Mousey: so he'd have to upgrade libc6. try "aptitude search ~i~D libc6" to see which packages that would affect |
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| 06:01.03 | stew | Mousey: the advice you are giving out is bad advice, please stop |
| 06:01.11 | Mousey | and they all get updated, nobody cries, system's more up to date as a result. whats the problem? |
| 06:01.16 | Mousey | fine whatever |
| 06:01.18 | Mousey | stops |
| 06:01.40 | stew | Mousey: one problem would be security updates |
| 06:01.53 | Mousey | don't ask me to stop then continue over me |
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| 06:02.08 | Mousey | cuz if there are security releases, they get into unstable, why is there no unstable/security branch?? |
| 06:02.09 | stew | i'm happy to stop. thanks |
| 06:02.13 | Mousey | fine, me too |
| 06:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | pity |
| 06:03.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I always miss all the fun |
| 06:03.32 | Mousey | CutMeOwnThroat: i showed you my sources.list.. i feel like the fscking gallelio of debian |
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| 06:04.01 | Mousey | hey look! it's the moon! the earth is round! copernicus was right! |
| 06:04.05 | Mousey | gets stoned |
| 06:04.07 | Mousey | and not the good kind |
| 06:04.11 | Tapout | how do you guys end up trusting a guy? This guy on dotdeb.org has the packages I need. Is there an audit system or some method to make sure he didn't apply customized patches to root me ; ) |
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| 06:04.33 | Mousey | md5 sums and gpg keys |
| 06:04.42 | stew | ? |
| 06:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | we look at him and say, oh well, probably a good bloke, we need the packages and are too lazy to make them ourselves |
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| 06:05.27 | Mousey | apt-get -t stable build-dep <packagename> ; apt-get -t stable source -b <packagename> |
| 06:05.27 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, if I knew how to make my own packages, I'd do it ;) |
| 06:05.34 | stew | Tapout: dotdeb used to notorious of providers of buggy php5 packages for sarge, but I haven't heard much about them lately |
| 06:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands stew a "be" |
| 06:06.26 | stew | yeah, sorry 'used to be notorius as providers of...' |
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| 06:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and an ass :-P |
| 06:06.41 | Tapout | How does one take mysql 5.1 source, create a package and tell it .. that it satisfies .. mysql-server-5.0 ? |
| 06:06.48 | Tapout | guide for this or something? |
| 06:06.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions mysql |
| 06:07.00 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: mysql -- |
| 06:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 06:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | so why don't you take mysql 5.1 from the Debian repositories? |
| 06:07.38 | Tapout | cause I'm on etch and it's on sid |
| 06:07.42 | stew | Tapout: that would not be simple to do correctly. you'd be better off trying to backport the experimental version |
| 06:07.47 | Mousey | holds his tongue |
| 06:07.51 | Tapout | i go to install it, and it complains that half the package dependancies are old, and need to be updated |
| 06:07.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Tapout about bpo |
| 06:08.09 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, ya it's not on backports :( |
| 06:08.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 06:08.20 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: mysql-server-5.1 -- experimental: 5.1.31-1 |
| 06:08.21 | stew | it won't be until it is in testing... |
| 06:08.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 06:08.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't think of having experimental in my repros right now |
| 06:08.52 | Tapout | I've source compiled but then If I go to install a package, it'll try and install mysql-server-5.0 and stuff. |
| 06:09.04 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, row-based replication :( |
| 06:09.05 | Mousey | discourages experimental being in sources.list |
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| 06:09.26 | Tapout | why don't these damn companies provide *.deb's ... |
| 06:09.30 | Tapout | they all give out .. *.rpm's :( |
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| 06:09.38 | Mousey | discourages alien too |
| 06:09.57 | stew | i would not want a .deb for mysql-server-5.1 that was created by mysql.com |
| 06:10.16 | pickcoder_ | one from microsoft.com would be better |
| 06:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, now there's no need for that - experimental always has a lower priority than anything else... only thing is that the defaults for pinning doesn't work well for >2 repros |
| 06:10.18 | pickcoder_ | heh |
| 06:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, you might just wait a couple of more days... |
| 06:11.03 | Mousey | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm perfectly happy with just running stable/testing/unstable and waiting for experimental packages to make their way into a real branch |
| 06:11.04 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, why? |
| 06:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | with any luck, lenny will become stable this weekend |
| 06:11.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and after that, a lot of buggy packages will rush from experimental into unstable :-P |
| 06:11.36 | Mousey | ...for x86 |
| 06:11.47 | stew | Mousey: for every arch, not just x86 |
| 06:11.49 | Mousey | and my apt-get upgrade will be appaling! |
| 06:12.06 | Mousey | stew: debian's back to releasing for all arches now? |
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| 06:12.18 | stew | Mousey: when has debian not released all arches? |
| 06:12.19 | Mousey | glees! |
| 06:12.29 | Mousey | i thought there was a time |
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| 06:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, you mean the time when it was called "ubuntu"?! |
| 06:12.50 | stew | we aparantly drop arm in favor of armel as soon as we release |
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| 06:12.59 | Mousey | boo, arm big-endian ftw!! |
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| 06:13.27 | Mousey | network traffic is big-endian and arms are endian agnostic, why cripple already slow machines? |
| 06:13.29 | stew | and we'll probably lose hppa and alpha |
| 06:13.31 | Mousey | pats his nslu2 |
| 06:13.49 | stew | its being dropped due to a lack of porters, so if you want it to stay around... |
| 06:13.53 | Mousey | aw.. i have friends who still run alpha.. |
| 06:14.05 | liable | heh, would have been humouros if you said you pet your slug |
| 06:14.21 | Mousey | actually the guys who maintain big endian arm are always hard at work crosscompiling |
| 06:14.30 | ganes | i am getting error if i install any package in my system "Can't exec "locale": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 16." |
| 06:14.31 | Mousey | but it's always failed to become an official branc |
| 06:14.33 | Mousey | ;_; |
| 06:14.44 | ganes | what i have to do know |
| 06:14.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, also, you might upgrade to the new stable then (well, or actually now if you don't mind upgrading some more packages after the release) and you'll be much closer to the new testing/unstable |
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| 06:15.37 | KC | is lenny officially stable now then? |
| 06:16.38 | stew | KC: not yet |
| 06:16.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | who said that? |
| 06:17.24 | KC | ok |
| 06:17.38 | KC | will it be in 2009 at all :P |
| 06:18.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what did you DO to /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm |
| 06:19.40 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, i think I'll just use this guys mysql 5.1 package (dotdeb.org) .. it gives me the latest mysql and satisfies all apt* stuff |
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| 06:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganes, in general you'll have to reinstall the debconf package - but how did you manage to get that file erased in the first place? |
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| 06:23.02 | ganes | CutMeOwnThroat, reinstall the debconf |
| 06:24.26 | ganes | CutMeOwnThroat, that i too not getting |
| 06:24.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess, if that's the only script that's missing, you can just use a copy from my lenny system... http://pastebin.com/f32237da5 - I'm not sure how well that works, though or how important this script is for the installation of a single package |
| 06:25.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm just looking at it... mmm... it loads a perl module if you borked the whole debconf package, that will be fun |
| 06:26.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | or all perl modules |
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| 06:28.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, experimental has a default pinning priority of "1" - so there should never ever be anything pulled in from experimental if it's anywhere else (or if you don't explicitly specify it) |
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| 06:33.36 | Mousey | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, well maybe you're encouraging me to experiment with it in my heretical ways of running debian |
| 06:35.23 | Mousey | but if it messes with an otherwise stable system, i'm gonna pooh pooh it =P |
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| 06:45.22 | pdbogen | Using make-kpkg, is it possible to just rebuild quickly for small changes? (I.e., the way the kernel makefile itself can do) |
| 06:45.26 | craigevil | depends on what you install from exp, i have gimp, pidgin and Ooo and they all work just fine |
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| 06:48.06 | unitypunk | hey |
| 06:48.43 | unitypunk | if i dont need a password to see my smb shares can i use any user/pass if asked for one? |
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| 07:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mousey, I just have it to *see* packages (i.e. for #debian) ... I never really install any of them :) |
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| 07:08.48 | Mousey | *nod* |
| 07:09.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | so when the guy asked, my apt-cache told me that there indeed *is* mysql5.1 |
| 07:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just didn't figure immediately that it's in experimental |
| 07:10.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, if you want to make extra-sure and still be able to see the packages, just add the deb-src lines |
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| 07:14.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh |
| 07:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll never understand why people ask something here that they could try out much faster |
| 07:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | or if they tried it already, why they don't pose the question differently, reflecting that |
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| 07:17.56 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, talking about me asking abotu mysql? |
| 07:18.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that smb password question up there |
| 07:18.26 | Tapout | ahh |
| 07:18.40 | Tapout | Cut, I read about Lenny coming in a week, for support for mysql 5.1.30 |
| 07:18.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | less than a week |
| 07:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | this weekend, afaik |
| 07:19.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !status lenny |
| 07:19.03 | Tapout | but, now I can't decide should I source compile and try and deal with packages trying to install mysql-server-5.0 .. or should I dotdeb install and remove it when lenny launches |
| 07:19.09 | Tapout | !status lenny |
| 07:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, wake up! |
| 07:19.20 | dpkg | cutmeownthroat: I'm already awake! :) |
| 07:19.23 | Tapout | <dpkg> Someone already said that 7 seconds ago |
| 07:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | fancy that |
| 07:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !status lenny |
| 07:19.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 07:19.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lenny status |
| 07:19.33 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny> |
| 07:19.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I *wanted* to swap them |
| 07:19.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | <--- tired |
| 07:20.02 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, if you needed 5.1.30 for replication sakes... master is 5.1.30 and slave (this box i gotta redo) ... |
| 07:20.08 | Tapout | what would you do? source compile for a week? |
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| 07:21.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, a week? |
| 07:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably not so bad... depends on the dependencies |
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| 07:22.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think if I really need it, I'd upgrade to lenny first |
| 07:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | (well, I did upgrade my desktops to lenny already ... ) |
| 07:22.19 | Tapout | and then what, source compile ? |
| 07:22.27 | Tapout | lenny shows only 5.0 still |
| 07:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
| 07:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | or see if I can mix in the experimental package... |
| 07:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I normally look how much dependencies a package pulls in - if it's just a single package from a different repro (2 or 3 from mysql, I guess) , normally only this package can be broken by mixing... |
| 07:23.54 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, if you source compile a package, is there a way to say 'hey, this package is already installed.. ignore"? |
| 07:24.40 | Tapout | there are a tonne of dependancies |
| 07:24.49 | Tapout | that will complain i'm sure |
| 07:24.49 | Tapout | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/mysql-server-5.1 |
| 07:25.18 | Tapout | i'll just install source, so much easier |
| 07:25.37 | Tapout | but there should be a way to take the mysql 5.0 package, replace source, install that package as if it were mysql 5.0 |
| 07:25.44 | Tapout | i don't know how people package stuff :( |
| 07:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are always a ton - but they might all be fullfilled with lenny-stuff |
| 07:26.25 | craigevil | you can always do apt-get install package -s to see what all it needs to pullin |
| 07:26.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | right now, lenny was frozen and not much got into unstable because the maintainers wanted to be able to do quick bugfixes via unstable |
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| 07:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I normally just tell it to install things and if there are dependencies it asks anyway if it may continue |
| 07:28.05 | stew | Tapout: before building, use "dch -n $versionnumber" to add the needed new changlog entry which determines the package version. if you want to change the package name edit debian/control |
| 07:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, no, if it has dependencies, you can just backport the experimental package... "/msg dpkg ssb" for the general procedure (although it is for sid) |
| 07:28.09 | stew | Tapout: and /msg dpkg equivs |
| 07:29.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but it's easier to take the already-existing experimental package than to take the unstable package and use it with the 5.1 code |
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| 07:30.22 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, is there a way to take 5.1 experimental .. and tell etch to recompile it using the current base? |
| 07:30.25 | Tapout | stew, reading |
| 07:30.46 | rmrfchik | o_O sun-java6-plugin is avail for amd64. |
| 07:30.50 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, for example... grab 5.1 source, recompile ( and it uses all the etch stuff it needs, ) .. and then it just works ? |
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| 07:31.37 | mrstone | hello ? |
| 07:31.50 | Tapout | goodbye ? |
| 07:31.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Trewas, err... did you READ what I wrote? |
| 07:31.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 07:32.06 | Tapout | yeah Trewas, did you read what he wrote?? :) |
| 07:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, ,ne Trewas |
| 07:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo ? |
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| 07:33.47 | Trewas | Yes. |
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| 07:34.09 | gentoo | is a superior distro |
| 07:34.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, just in case you're still going to read it... that's exactly what I told you and you should /msg dpkg ssb for it |
| 07:34.12 | gentoo | is a superior distro |
| 07:34.26 | simonrvn | stew: ^^^ |
| 07:34.27 | gentoo | is a superior distro |
| 07:34.31 | liable | !ops gentoo need to go |
| 07:34.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: gentoo need to go |
| 07:34.32 | Tapout | ^^ geek |
| 07:34.35 | gentoo | is a superior distro |
| 07:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks for a boot |
| 07:34.37 | gentoo | is a superior distro |
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| 07:34.41 | gentoo | is a superior distro |
| 07:34.44 | Tapout | !ops gentoo need to go |
| 07:34.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tapout complains about: gentoo need to go |
| 07:34.48 | gentoo | is a superior distro |
| 07:34.49 | simonrvn | gentoo is a dumbass |
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| 07:35.00 | simonrvn | thank you :) |
| 07:35.04 | peterS | np |
| 07:35.18 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, yes i am |
| 07:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | behavior like this gives gentoo a bad name... gives you the impression only retards use it, which I know not to be true |
| 07:36.03 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, does that work for experimental as well? |
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| 07:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I told you, no? |
| 07:38.02 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: no kidding. also people like that seems to me that they need to convince themselves of the idea they're pushing, instead of just being comfortable with their distro (or whatever it is, in general) of choice. |
| 07:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it sometimes doesn't work if you cant get the build-dependencies |
| 07:39.04 | Tapout | simonrvn, if I had 2 boxes to test on.. I'd do it |
| 07:39.34 | simonrvn | um, chroot() ? |
| 07:40.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, anyway - I'm on lenny, when I want to install it, it needs "libhtml-template-perl libmysqlclient15off libmysqlclient16 mysql-common" additional to the mysql-server/client-5.1 *I* guess I'd try mixing first and remove those packages if that doesn't work |
| 07:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | libhtml-template-perl is the only non-mysql-specific one, too... (and maybe that one can even come from lenny) |
| 07:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | g'night |
| 07:41.10 | Tapout | night and thanks |
| 07:42.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha - came back - to make myself clear - I'd try mixing it into lenny... I wouldn't try that with etch... the two are too far apart (several years) |
| 07:43.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's too likely to break in intersting ways :) |
| 07:43.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | really nite now :) |
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| 07:44.09 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: g'night |
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| 07:44.20 | simonrvn | i'm heading that way too, soon |
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| 07:47.21 | firefox | any idea why iceweasel> flashplayer-mozilla wont play flash videos? also should I jsut upgrade etch to lenny siince it will be stable soon anyway? |
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| 07:50.56 | xoz_ | votes for upgrade to lenny |
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| 07:52.02 | d-b | oi there are still 103 rc bugs ... any idea what is going to happen to these magically before the end of this coming weekend ? |
| 07:52.30 | xoz_ | lenny release is set on saturday |
| 07:52.43 | d-b | xoz_: yeah i know but 103 rc bugs still hold |
| 07:52.58 | xoz_ | d-b: yep |
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| 07:55.56 | firefox | hmm I think I will upgrade before I go to bed then. I have used it before w/o issues haha |
| 07:57.01 | xoz_ | etch->lenny |
| 07:57.19 | xoz_ | !etch->lenny |
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| 08:02.40 | enouf | !lenny release notes |
| 08:02.40 | dpkg | Latest draft release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html, or http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual |
| 08:02.43 | liable | jesus christ, iceweasel really is becoming a crashing locking up piece of crap |
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| 08:03.23 | enouf | liable: /msg dpkg links2 |
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| 08:05.30 | liable | does it have adblock? |
| 08:05.48 | d-b | liable: limit the ram |
| 08:05.54 | d-b | and it should get some what better.. |
| 08:06.10 | liable | for weasel? |
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| 08:07.31 | d-b | yeah. |
| 08:09.03 | enouf | one common side-effect of BLOAT is crashes |
| 08:09.48 | enouf | it took me 10 min t0 non typo that |
| 08:10.13 | liable | put down the whiskey bottle then and go to bed :P |
| 08:10.44 | vaq | Hello, I have 100+ million files which I need to synchronize to another server which already have a portion of the files, rsync seems to be to slow because for this. Anyon have an idea? |
| 08:11.06 | dondelelcaro | vaq: rsync is what you want |
| 08:11.15 | xoz_ | vaq: slow/ |
| 08:11.17 | xoz_ | ? |
| 08:11.27 | adama_ | has anyone used cdemu? what is the method to install it? i.e. which of these packages on their site do I need? |
| 08:11.35 | dondelelcaro | vaq: it'll take it a bit to figure out the set of files, but 100 million files is a ton of files |
| 08:11.41 | adama_ | cdemu.sourceforge.net |
| 08:12.15 | vaq | dondelelcaro: Okay, it uses almost 5+ hours to figure out the set of files. |
| 08:12.33 | xoz_ | vaq: wow |
| 08:12.51 | adama_ | vaq: is rsync being limited by bandwidth or CPU? You could enable compression |
| 08:13.30 | vaq | adama_: No it takes like 60% of the cpu, and it gigabit network |
| 08:13.36 | vaq | +s |
| 08:13.43 | dondelelcaro | vaq: your alternative is to use tar+ssh; but it's almost certainly being limited by the disk and the stats |
| 08:13.49 | vaq | ye |
| 08:13.53 | vaq | this is 3TB data |
| 08:13.59 | vaq | so tar is no option :) |
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| 08:14.07 | dondelelcaro | tar is always an option |
| 08:14.20 | vaq | Could I tune some tcp buffers for rsync or? |
| 08:14.26 | vaq | what about MTU 9000 ? |
| 08:14.28 | dondelelcaro | no, the issue is just the stat'ing |
| 08:14.36 | xoz_ | vaq: you have enough space? rsync needs temporary files |
| 08:15.03 | vaq | xoz_: Yes, both servers have 6.5 TB space |
| 08:15.23 | dondelelcaro | vaq: you may have better luck with -I, and similar options to get rsync not to bother to check the files, and just transfer them; you also may have better luck if you can split the job into pieces |
| 08:15.29 | dondelelcaro | vaq: and it's not like you need to tar the data up first |
| 08:15.35 | xoz_ | vaq: maybe, you can distribute them in subdirs so that the stating will be smaller per subdir. |
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| 08:16.43 | xoz_ | vaq: and you can issue parallel rsync for each subdir |
| 08:16.54 | stew | if you have lots of hardlinks, rsync can suck on large sets |
| 08:16.59 | vaq | Hmm |
| 08:17.31 | vaq | My current rsync command is: rsync -rtlvz rsync://xxxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/xxxx . |
| 08:17.33 | dondelelcaro | vaq: also, you probably will want to use rsync versions > 3, too |
| 08:17.57 | vaq | using rsync version 3.0.3 |
| 08:18.03 | dondelelcaro | vaq: on both ends? |
| 08:18.40 | vaq | hm nop |
| 08:18.43 | vaq | the server used 2.6.9 |
| 08:18.53 | dondelelcaro | well, then you'll want to change the server too |
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| 08:19.17 | dondelelcaro | (since modern versions use incremental recursion) |
| 08:19.45 | Ip_Man | Backtrack 4 is a debian-based? =) |
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| 08:19.57 | vaq | dondelelcaro: All right, do you have any comments to rsync -rtlvz options? |
| 08:19.58 | vaq | Ip_Man: yes |
| 08:20.03 | Ip_Man | awesome |
| 08:20.42 | xoz_ | vaq: no need for v? |
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| 08:21.12 | vaq | true |
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| 08:22.44 | vaq | so rsync -rtl |
| 08:22.48 | vaq | would be the best? |
| 08:22.57 | dondelelcaro | vaq: how much have you transfered? |
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| 08:23.34 | vaq | I don't need to compress with -z if i have gigabit network and enough cpu right? |
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| 08:23.56 | dondelelcaro | vaq: depends on what you're transfering |
| 08:24.05 | dondelelcaro | vaq: if it's text, use -z; if it's not, no point |
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| 08:24.19 | vaq | okay |
| 08:24.28 | vaq | it is small binaries |
| 08:24.43 | dondelelcaro | then no point |
| 08:25.17 | vaq | okay thanks |
| 08:26.23 | \amethyst | if you mean executables, they usually compress pretty well |
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| 08:26.37 | \amethyst | not as well as text, but 2:1 or so |
| 08:27.41 | Ip_Man | vaq, did u try backtrack 4 beta? |
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| 08:28.19 | \amethyst | theoretically more packets means more CPU usage, but I doubt in the 2:1 case it would be enough to make up for CPU time spent doing gzip |
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| 08:29.22 | xoz_ | still votes for subdir instead of stating one DIR |
| 08:29.37 | dondelelcaro | xoz_: incremental rsync makes that unecessary |
| 08:29.45 | xoz_ | ah |
| 08:29.56 | xingu | votes for collecting pp/s, mbit/s, and iop/s stats |
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| 08:30.30 | xoz_ | dondelelcaro: is it automatic? or need an option? |
| 08:30.34 | xingu | err pps, but anyway. |
| 08:30.51 | dondelelcaro | xoz_: if you've got > v3 rsync, it's automatic unless you use options that are incompatible with it |
| 08:31.08 | dondelelcaro | (or otherwise cause it to be turned off) |
| 08:31.39 | dondelelcaro | which generally makes sense, because you want to max out the network and the disk, while not using insane amounts of memory |
| 08:32.01 | xingu | or cpu |
| 08:32.26 | xoz_ | dondelelcaro: -r without --delete-before and other options that require stat of entire dirs.. very good feature in 3 |
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| 08:37.34 | xingu | vaq: it'd be a good idea to collect network util stats from say iftop alongside vmstat data before doing anything too drastic; isolating the problem description in terms of cpu, bandwidth, memory pressure, interrupt, or io bottleneck will help you identify what to improve. |
| 08:38.40 | xingu | vaq: as a sidebar, networks are packets/s as well as bytes/s bounded |
| 08:39.04 | xoz_ | he can just try instead of 100 million, just a million and check how long... then you can use it as multiplier for the 100 million |
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| 08:40.19 | xingu | he could; he could also try strapping on a blindfold and waggling a stick at a pinata |
| 08:40.50 | xingu | it still wouldn't be (good) science. :) |
| 08:40.52 | xoz_ | no need to be so detailed unless he is doing a paper for it. |
| 08:41.18 | xoz_ | he is not doing science, just doing the job :) |
| 08:41.52 | xingu | the job requires science; so here's the problem - if you haven't even described (let alone observed) the variables, how do you know when you're done? |
| 08:42.15 | xoz_ | forget the variables. |
| 08:42.17 | xoz_ | :) |
| 08:42.21 | xingu | snorts |
| 08:42.23 | stew | xingu: when the candy falls on the floor |
| 08:42.54 | xoz_ | or he can start with iperf to check the network performance |
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| 08:57.34 | bartvk | Hi, I want to rebuild the official Debian kernel package |
| 08:57.41 | bartvk | When I do "sudo apt-get source linux-2.6.26" |
| 08:58.01 | bartvk | I get "E: Unable to find a source package for linux-2.6.26" |
| 08:58.04 | liable | dont apt-get source |
| 08:58.04 | bartvk | Any idea why? |
| 08:58.12 | liable | do linux-source-2.6.26 |
| 08:58.28 | bartvk | you mean apt-get install linux-source-2.6.26? |
| 08:58.32 | liable | install, not source |
| 08:58.35 | liable | yep |
| 08:59.36 | bartvk | That works, but then I get a tarball without any Debian stuff; how can I then rebuild the Debian kernel package? |
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| 09:00.41 | liable | i think it has the patches already applied. i'm not certain about that though, i never worried about the debian patches |
| 09:01.38 | liable | it does, read the package description |
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| 09:02.34 | xoz_ | !simple sid backport |
| 09:02.34 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 09:03.11 | xoz_ | bartvk: similar to steps above... just ignore sid sources.list. |
| 09:03.48 | bartvk | xoz_, OK thanks |
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| 09:03.56 | xoz_ | bartvk: use make-kpkg |
| 09:04.00 | liable | uh, does linux-source have the debian dir? |
| 09:04.02 | spx2 | is there any chance that I could read comp.unix.programmer or comp . os . linux . development . system from some nntp ? |
| 09:04.06 | xoz_ | !make-kpkg |
| 09:04.06 | dpkg | i heard make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 09:20.09 | qabby | hello, im running two etch servers, and one is having a weird "hiccup": |
| 09:20.37 | qabby | the unix users can no longer login to their home directories |
| 09:20.54 | qabby | all the permissions are correct |
| 09:21.31 | qabby | but premission is denied... ive been fighting this thing for about 3 hours to no avail.... |
| 09:21.46 | qabby | i could really use some advise, please. :( |
| 09:21.57 | bartvk | Did you check the logs? |
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| 09:22.14 | qabby | no, i honestly have not.... |
| 09:22.29 | xoz_ | qabby: cannot ssh? cannot do terminal login? |
| 09:23.08 | xoz_ | root cannot also login? |
| 09:23.19 | bartvk | qabby, to add to xoz_, check /var/log/secure to see what's happening |
| 09:23.23 | qabby | everything was fine. tonight, i decided i would set up ssh and ftp and try to access ((no, root is still good)) |
| 09:23.25 | xoz_ | you may have /etc/nologin |
| 09:23.55 | qabby | after i attempted ssh and ftp, everything went to hell |
| 09:24.07 | xoz_ | qabby: user cannot ssh? |
| 09:24.23 | qabby | no, i uninstalled them, and things are still messed up |
| 09:24.40 | qabby | ((kk bartvk)) |
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| 09:25.50 | xoz_ | qabby: please be more detailed. we cannot read your mind. |
| 09:26.09 | xoz_ | messed up what/ |
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| 09:26.38 | xoz_ | what debian are you using? |
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| 09:27.48 | rastakid | hi all. quick question: my hosting company installed Debian lenny/sid on 3 production servers. is there any (safe) way to move to a stable release without reinstalling the server? |
| 09:27.51 | qabby | before todays events, everything was fine. then i was operating through webmin to apt-get ssh and proftpd.... starting configuring them, but was failing. i thought i was simply fighting my router firewall permissions, so i was about to quit for the night. |
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| 09:28.48 | simonrvn | rastakid: if it really is lenny, that won't matter, it's almost stable. |
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| 09:29.23 | qabby | i realized i forgot something, so i went back to the server, but not via webmin.. i logged directly with a sudoer user, and thats when i noticed that something was bad: "No directory, HOME=/" and ls in /home and /home/user gave my "Permission Denied" |
| 09:29.37 | qabby | (( im running etch 4.0_r6 )) |
| 09:29.49 | rastakid | well, /etc/debian_version is telling me it's "lenny/sid" |
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| 09:30.04 | xoz_ | you can use sshd -D in the server and ssh -vvv on the client to see what's going on |
| 09:30.10 | rastakid | simonrvn: however, installing packages like mysql-client-5-0 gives me problems. |
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| 09:30.31 | simonrvn | rastakid: then it's probably sid, since my lenny box says 5.0 |
| 09:30.32 | pif | where should I put environment variables to be seen by Xsession ? |
| 09:31.01 | qabby | all ownership and groupings etc had been changed to root, so i changed them back to the way they were supposed to be, but i still get permission denied in the user home directories with a "No directory...." error at login... |
| 09:31.07 | rastakid | simonrvn: which means i'm in trouble right? |
| 09:31.17 | qabby | i even deleted the users, re-add, and still the same problem |
| 09:32.15 | simonrvn | rastakid: sid is a moving target, not nice on a server. trust me, i've been there. it's doable if you have a clue, but a real PITA sometimes. |
| 09:32.21 | xoz_ | qabby: is this during terminal login or ssh? |
| 09:32.29 | simonrvn | s/sometimes/often/ |
| 09:32.56 | rastakid | simonrvn: thank you for your information. hoster will have to reinstall. client will have to wait. :( |
| 09:33.19 | simonrvn | qabby: um /home is root:root; only the user dir gets the user's owner/group |
| 09:33.25 | qabby | during login.... (( i also wound up removing ssh )) |
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| 09:34.17 | xoz_ | qabby: check /etc/passwd... the last field should be the home dir and the shell. |
| 09:34.23 | xoz_ | of the user |
| 09:34.38 | qabby | okay... |
| 09:34.44 | Xeross_ | Hey guys, i want a persistent usb insatll and i downloaded an img autobuild of the live project what's next |
| 09:34.53 | xoz_ | try sudo to the username and cd ~ or cd to his home dir |
| 09:35.09 | rastakid | simonrvn: 'downgrading' from sid to stable is not possible? |
| 09:35.20 | xoz_ | !downgrade |
| 09:35.20 | simonrvn | !downgrade |
| 09:35.20 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 09:35.54 | qabby | hmm.... thats strange.... no home directory is being added..... :^/ |
| 09:36.04 | simonrvn | rastakid: possible, but long and potentially painful. |
| 09:36.09 | xoz_ | qabby: use adduser not useradd |
| 09:36.28 | simonrvn | and stay away from webmin. geez. |
| 09:37.09 | qabby | aw, come on! i was under the false since of security that it made life easier :P |
| 09:37.26 | osFrenchDude | is there some norms about smileys...something like w3c for html that would say (K) is a kiss, whatever IM you use. I know, this is of reat interest for a debian channel using IRC..? |
| 09:37.49 | xoz_ | qabby: s/since/sense :) |
| 09:38.06 | qabby | :: signs :: |
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| 09:38.17 | dhGEE | hi |
| 09:38.19 | xoz_ | !webmin |
| 09:38.19 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 09:38.30 | dhGEE | after installing the dependencies for irssi |
| 09:38.34 | qabby | are the 22 hours of being awake showing already?? |: ( |
| 09:38.34 | dhGEE | i am left without a theme manager |
| 09:38.39 | qabby | hehe |
| 09:38.39 | dhGEE | and i cant change wallpaper |
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| 09:39.01 | dhGEE | i need a push in the right direction:p |
| 09:39.02 | xoz_ | qabby: so, your problem is solved now? |
| 09:39.18 | qabby | working on it.... |
| 09:39.33 | xoz_ | qabby: found the problem? |
| 09:39.39 | qabby | im really pissed about the webmin thing though.... at first light its really cool. |
| 09:40.14 | xoz_ | qabby: it is like windows |
| 09:40.22 | xoz_ | demo is better than the real thing. |
| 09:41.06 | simonrvn | dhGEE: o_O. wtf would the irssi deps have to do with a "theme manager"? what's a "theme manager"? |
| 09:41.24 | dhGEE | gnome-theme-manager |
| 09:41.26 | xoz_ | dhGEE: are you on drugs? :) |
| 09:41.32 | dhGEE | unforunately not |
| 09:41.35 | dhGEE | let me show you what it said:p |
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| 09:41.54 | xoz_ | will not blink |
| 09:42.23 | qabby | okay, i have been using adduser, of course, and im still not getting the default home directory being made.... something else is not right... |
| 09:42.30 | dhGEE | ookay i have closed my teminal since then |
| 09:42.37 | dhGEE | but basically it had a whole bunch of stuff it needed to remove |
| 09:42.45 | dhGEE | and 12301239 things to add |
| 09:42.48 | dhGEE | like 120mb of archives |
| 09:42.50 | dhGEE | just for irssi |
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| 09:44.08 | simonrvn | dhGEE: you screwed up something then |
| 09:44.21 | dhGEE | its probably from adding the wrong repo |
| 09:44.27 | dhGEE | the list it came with didnt have irssi at all |
| 09:44.39 | simonrvn | yeh, that's what i was thinking ;). |
| 09:44.56 | dhGEE | blah |
| 09:45.05 | dhGEE | it takes a long time to update anything on my connection |
| 09:45.10 | dhGEE | should i paste my sources.list ? |
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| 09:46.16 | simonrvn | nah, just check it over and make sure it's all kosher with the same release. |
| 09:46.16 | qabby | im checking the /etc/adduser.conf file and everything looks in order. |
| 09:46.23 | xoz_ | qabby: it is a trivial problem now. just making sure you have your users' home dir created. |
| 09:46.26 | dhGEE | 'gnome-control-central' is something it removed |
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| 09:46.38 | simonrvn | gnome-control-center |
| 09:46.39 | dhGEE | a lot of exactly what it changed would be nice heh |
| 09:46.43 | dhGEE | yeah thats it. |
| 09:46.53 | xoz_ | qabby: what is your command to adduser? |
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| 09:48.02 | xoz_ | qabby: use --debug option also |
| 09:48.02 | qabby | xoz_: pardon? |
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| 09:48.14 | qabby | yeah... one sec.... |
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| 09:48.28 | xoz_ | try sudo adduser --debug qabby1 |
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| 09:48.52 | angel_ | hi please |
| 09:48.58 | dhGEE | should i just reinstall control-center |
| 09:49.06 | dhGEE | or is this goin to conflict |
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| 09:49.24 | qabby | ran the debug: everything looks clean |
| 09:49.29 | xoz_ | qabby: it should mention... creating home dir...bla |
| 09:49.30 | Sbidicuda | hi |
| 09:49.32 | simonrvn | fix sources.list first |
| 09:49.32 | Sbidicuda | please |
| 09:49.48 | dhGEE | it doesnt look abnormal |
| 09:49.50 | qabby | im going to try and log this user know and see if it's as it should be.... |
| 09:49.55 | dhGEE | all i added was thje testing repo |
| 09:49.56 | xoz_ | qabby: did it mention creating home directory... /home/qabby1? |
| 09:50.02 | dhGEE | without that i didnt actually have irssi at all |
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| 09:50.23 | simonrvn | dhGEE: ok, paste it then. something sounds off. |
| 09:50.25 | qabby | FAIL. |
| 09:50.29 | xoz_ | qabby: check /home if his dir was created |
| 09:50.32 | simonrvn | !it |
| 09:50.32 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:50.39 | qabby | "No directory, logging in with HOME=/" |
| 09:50.40 | Sbidicuda | I need help with radeon 9200 and dvi output: I connected the radeon with dvi output to a LCD monitor (ACER AL2216W) but it said that there's no video signal from the board... How can I enable it wth xorg??? |
| 09:50.45 | simonrvn | Sbidicuda: ^^^ |
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| 09:51.03 | qabby | it was made. |
| 09:51.08 | simonrvn | Sbidicuda: never mind what i just said |
| 09:51.19 | dhGEE | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r6 _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20081219-16:03]/ etch contrib main |
| 09:51.21 | xoz_ | qabby: what about permission? /etc/passwd? |
| 09:51.22 | dhGEE | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 09:51.24 | dhGEE | thats all |
| 09:51.26 | dhGEE | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 09:51.29 | dhGEE | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
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| 09:51.33 | simonrvn | not HERE |
| 09:51.40 | qabby | 755 permissions under user:user |
| 09:51.41 | dhGEE | its only 4 lines:p |
| 09:52.01 | simonrvn | dhGEE: um, fix the sid line, and comment out the cd line |
| 09:52.12 | dhGEE | 'fix' ? |
| 09:52.14 | qabby | the directory is there in /etc/passwd |
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| 09:52.31 | simonrvn | dhGEE: um, actually, switch everything to lenny, and comment out the cd. it'll be less borked that way |
| 09:52.32 | xoz_ | qabby: and he has permission in /home/user? |
| 09:52.33 | qabby | this is weird. :^/ |
| 09:52.37 | dhGEE | okay |
| 09:52.39 | qabby | yep |
| 09:52.47 | dhGEE | cd line is commented out |
| 09:53.00 | dhGEE | so chase down the lenny repos and add them |
| 09:53.07 | dhGEE | do i leave anything of what ive got? |
| 09:53.09 | xoz_ | qabby: goto /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 09:53.14 | qabby | okay..... |
| 09:53.16 | simonrvn | dhGEE: s/etch/lenny/ s/sid/lenny/ |
| 09:53.17 | xoz_ | qabby: and ls -ltr |
| 09:53.31 | xoz_ | qabby: check the most recent packages installed |
| 09:53.58 | dhGEE | well, i dont understand at all |
| 09:54.02 | dhGEE | trying to google this up |
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| 09:54.13 | xoz_ | qabby: one of them may have broke your system |
| 09:54.17 | qabby | its the openssh-server and the proftpd that i installed today. |
| 09:54.22 | simonrvn | dhGEE: replace the 'sid' with lenny, and replace the 'etch' with lenny |
| 09:54.28 | xoz_ | qabby: any others? |
| 09:54.28 | qabby | yeah... im pretty sure of that too..... |
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| 09:55.11 | xoz_ | !depends ssh |
| 09:55.19 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 09:55.34 | dhGEE | right, its updating |
| 09:55.37 | qabby | libmysqlclient15off mysqpl-common wu-ftpd ... the rest is lib's.... and dhcp 3 and webmin about a week ago |
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| 09:55.58 | dhGEE | is there a log somewhere that would show exactly what was removed? |
| 09:56.07 | xoz_ | qabby: try reinstall adduser? |
| 09:56.09 | dhGEE | it was definitely more than one thing |
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| 09:56.20 | qabby | okay... |
| 09:56.34 | xoz_ | qabby: oh, it may not be adduser because it works |
| 09:56.39 | xoz_ | qabby: what about PAM |
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| 09:56.54 | qabby | ooh, snap! that might be it... hold.... |
| 09:57.27 | dhGEE | heh, ive done that simonrvn :p |
| 09:57.28 | qabby | (( getting soda too, brb. )) |
| 09:57.44 | dhGEE | is it just a matter of reinstalling everything that was removed |
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| 10:01.07 | xoz_ | vfat |
| 10:01.13 | qabby | erm, im getting "Couldn't find package... " for pam, pam_getenv and pam_windbind. |
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| 10:04.43 | xoz_ | qabby: i must go now... good luck |
| 10:04.51 | qabby | okay, thx |
| 10:05.10 | rastakid | simonrvn: thank you |
| 10:09.40 | dhGEE | now ti seems i am missing this |
| 10:09.44 | dhGEE | Details: Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-xpm.so |
| 10:09.51 | dhGEE | whenver4 i try and load a menu |
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| 10:23.09 | Agiofws | hi |
| 10:23.11 | Agiofws | where are procmails conf files stored ? |
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| 10:25.38 | sep | Agiofws, usualy ~/.procmailrc |
| 10:25.42 | jeefo | alsamixer says no device found |
| 10:25.43 | sep | ie file per user |
| 10:26.01 | Agiofws | ~/.procmailrc it is |
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| 10:26.04 | jeefo | it was working before :S |
| 10:26.17 | jeefo | can anybody help me ? |
| 10:26.55 | Agiofws | sep, can you help with some procmail rules ? |
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| 10:27.41 | jeefo | hello ????????? |
| 10:28.33 | jeefo | why i never get help here ! |
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| 10:31.12 | Agiofws | can anyone help me with some procmail rules here ? |
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| 10:36.07 | avu | !anyone |
| 10:36.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 10:40.02 | lamothe | Hi all, where can I get some help with packaging? i.e. cdbs, update-desktop-database? |
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| 10:40.32 | avu | lamothe, try #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 10:40.46 | lamothe | avu: Got it, ta! |
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| 10:42.31 | mib_6yises84 | hi |
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| 10:46.08 | etb | i want to do: sent mail from A user to appear at inbox of B user |
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| 10:46.24 | etb | how? |
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| 10:46.43 | etb | im using postfix |
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| 11:00.07 | anewbie | hi there :) |
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| 11:00.17 | anewbie | can some one tell way to list all the symlinks in the system |
| 11:00.18 | anewbie | ? |
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| 11:00.56 | Maior | find / -type l |
| 11:02.00 | anewbie | xxx@xxx:~$ sudo find / -type -l |
| 11:02.01 | anewbie | find: Arguments to -type should contain only one letter |
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| 11:04.34 | Maior | anewbie: now go back and read what I said |
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| 11:05.47 | lamothe | avu: Thanks, they were very responsive. |
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| 11:05.57 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 11:06.36 | gypsymauro | there is a way to mount a share via smbfs in /etc/fstab without storing password somewhere? or crypt it? |
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| 11:09.48 | pete_ | Hi! Anybody could point me to some clvm howto. I got some locking problems and no idea what causes those :/ |
| 11:10.10 | pete_ | i make new LV on node1 and it shows up correctly on node2 but node1 cant use it or activate it |
| 11:10.14 | pete_ | and i cant undestunt wh |
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| 11:12.46 | pete_ | Error locking on node puuppa-xen1: Internal lvm error, check syslog |
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| 11:12.54 | pete_ | all i et is this. And this is making me crazy |
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| 11:13.39 | pete_ | should i run "vgchange -aly" or "vgchange -aey" ? Is there any good howto or other info |
| 11:14.02 | |viracocha| | hi all |
| 11:14.28 | |viracocha| | maybe i found a strange behaviors on samba |
| 11:14.43 | |viracocha| | if i can explain |
| 11:14.57 | |viracocha| | i wait your ok |
| 11:16.26 | liable | ok |
| 11:16.45 | |viracocha| | in my office we have a cisco nslu2 |
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| 11:16.50 | |viracocha| | a disk-storage |
| 11:16.54 | liable | maybe #samba would be better, but it cant hurt to ask |
| 11:17.03 | osFrenchDude | I don't remember, when is lenny supposed to be release...I know it's soon... |
| 11:17.22 | Maior | y!lenny |
| 11:17.24 | Maior | fail |
| 11:17.25 | Maior | !lenny |
| 11:17.26 | dpkg | i heard lenny is the codename for the next Debian release (5.0, currently also known as "testing"). Lenny will be released real soon now.... To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. See also <wwlr> <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 11:17.27 | |viracocha| | i see in my network the disk ("linksys" |
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| 11:17.41 | |viracocha| | but when i see the content |
| 11:17.54 | |viracocha| | all file in the disk don't have the last character |
| 11:17.54 | osFrenchDude | !<lenny status> |
| 11:18.04 | osFrenchDude | !lenny status |
| 11:18.04 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny> |
| 11:18.07 | Rienzilla | Hi all, I have clamav installed on debian, with the debian-volatile repository in sources.list. Now my /var/lib/clamav directory is growing very fast with a lot of clamav-e3f65d4615cd062e8f7b272e3877a16d -like directories of about 30M each. What are those? can the be removed? |
| 11:18.22 | |viracocha| | example: file: test.txt -> i see test.tx |
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| 11:18.37 | |viracocha| | if i add the last char all work great |
| 11:18.56 | osFrenchDude | damn, it's "saint Valentin"...geeky or kinky night..? |
| 11:19.37 | |viracocha| | some ideas |
| 11:19.44 | |viracocha| | about this behaviors? |
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| 11:21.36 | osFrenchDude | Nonetheway, I'm still wondering why it took me so long to move from Ubuntu to Debian... |
| 11:22.05 | pete_ | VITUN HUORAT |
| 11:22.21 | osFrenchDude | nonetheway half way between nonetheless and by the way |
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| 11:33.25 | Touns | hi |
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| 11:40.06 | Touns | I was using apt-get at the beginning and a friend told me to use aptitude. But he say it was maybe not a good idea to use both of tools. But I only have use apt-get at the very beginning. But aptitude look like he doesn't want to update some package : http://sial.org/pbot/35014 |
| 11:40.41 | Touns | but they are not a lot of package that I have instaled since the beginning. Should I reuse apt-get ? |
| 11:40.56 | Touns | Or how can I do to update all this package ? |
| 11:41.12 | themill | Touns: what's the output of "LANG=C aptitude upgrade"? |
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| 11:42.09 | Touns | themill: http://sial.org/pbot/35015 |
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| 11:42.47 | themill | interesting translations (or lack of) :( |
| 11:43.12 | Touns | themill: ok, I repost with an aproximative translation |
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| 11:43.49 | themill | Touns: don't worry, my French is just good enough to cope. |
| 11:44.29 | themill | Touns: are you running lenny or sid? |
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| 11:47.59 | Touns | themill: http://sial.org/pbot/35016 |
| 11:48.04 | Touns | themill: I'm in lenny |
| 11:48.35 | Touns | s/in/under/ |
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| 11:50.18 | ph | What's the "official" way to manipulate the control file of a binary package without rebuilding the complete package? I just want to change the "Depends" line. |
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| 11:51.52 | themill | Touns: You need to work out why cpp-4.1 and friends are not being upgraded. Are they on hold? Other than that, it looks quite fine and normal. Switching between aptitude and apt-get should be quite fine with the exception of putting packages on hold for which two different databases exist. |
| 11:53.12 | Touns | themill: what exaclty mean "work out" : I should no more use this package ? |
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| 11:53.55 | Touns | or maybe "work out" means here "understand" ? |
| 11:54.04 | themill | yes |
| 11:54.51 | Touns | themill: I don't know if they are hold. How could I know that please ? |
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| 11:56.42 | themill | Touns: does "aptitude full-upgrade" list packages as being "kept back" (conservés) |
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| 11:58.51 | Touns | themill: it say that libssp0 is broken and he will remove it. And it says libssp0: Dépend: gcc-4.1-base (= 4.1.1-21) but 4.1.2-25 should be installed |
| 11:58.52 | themill | Touns: or any packages as being "not upgraded" (non mis à jour) |
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| 11:59.04 | Touns | and removing this package should solve this dependance |
| 11:59.47 | Touns | themill: only one broken : http://sial.org/pbot/35017 |
| 11:59.50 | themill | Touns: ahh... libssp0 isn't in lenny; this must be left over from some time ago. Let it remove that package and then all should be fine. |
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| 12:00.16 | Touns | themill: thanks :) |
| 12:00.30 | themill | no worries |
| 12:00.55 | Touns | themill: and aptitude full-upgrade is some apt equivalent as apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
| 12:01.44 | themill | Touns: no. aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade is the equivalent of apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. /msg dpkg full-upgrade |
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| 12:16.14 | Tapout | !etch->lenny |
| 12:16.26 | Tapout | !etch to lenny |
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| 12:20.40 | mib_6yises84 | hi |
| 12:20.52 | icebrain | hi, what's the best option to backup a whole fs over network with file integrity verification (hash or something)? |
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| 12:21.12 | Agiofws | hi |
| 12:21.18 | Agiofws | can someone tell me why ON earth this "subject: Re: [agiofws 23820077] billing" matches this rule * ^Subject:.*Fw in procmail ? ? ? |
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| 12:22.44 | mib_6yises84 | I have a debian minimal installed and firefox3. I installed cups, created a printer and can print test pages. But in firefox, when I click on print, my firefox crashes. I asked in #firefox, but they can't help me. What can be wrong here |
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| 12:24.48 | mib_6yises84 | Agiofws: agio"fw"s. Before the fw can be any sign. |
| 12:25.00 | maligor | mib_6yises84, why not use iceweasel? |
| 12:25.08 | Agiofws | mib_6yises84, i see |
| 12:25.16 | Agiofws | so whats the solution here |
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| 12:26.59 | mib_6yises84 | maligor: Because I want to use Firefox 3.0. But I don't think, there is much difference. |
| 12:27.23 | Samb1 | hi, does anyone know what I need to do to get encrypted DVDs playing in Etch? |
| 12:27.50 | mib_6yises84 | Agiofw: don't use *. After subject there is one space, and then there is FW, mostly the time. |
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| 12:29.05 | icebrain | mib_6yises84: my IceWeasel is FF 3.0.6. Just use Sid's |
| 12:29.09 | maligor | no, there isn't much difference aside from update policy and logo |
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| 12:29.28 | mib_6yises84 | maligor: Can't I use the orginal firefox? |
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| 12:29.45 | rvsjoen | I dont seem to be able to make my uml host and guest talk to each other through tuntap. I can see the arp request/reply on tap0 when dumping on the host, but the arp table on the guest is never updated |
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| 12:31.13 | mib_6yises84 | maligor: But what can be a problem. I changed lpr to gtklp. But firefox crashes. |
| 12:32.07 | Rizha | hello. i have some problem with my debian testing, if i use Ati Radeon 4670 the monitor cannot display. how to resolve this problem?? |
| 12:32.53 | rvsjoen | define 'cannot display' |
| 12:32.54 | Rizha | i search driver on amd site but there is no catalyst driver for 4670 |
| 12:33.05 | Rizha | yes like that |
| 12:33.18 | rvsjoen | nothing at all ? |
| 12:33.24 | Rizha | but if i use x200 series it cant |
| 12:33.45 | Rizha | i mean it wil display |
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| 12:35.13 | maligor | mib_6yises84, probably uses gtk print systems |
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| 12:38.34 | etb | where do i specify what name displays in from, when i send out mail? |
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| 12:41.43 | mib_6yises84 | maligor: I installed gtklp and changed the printer in firefox from lpr to gtklp |
| 12:41.47 | mib_6yises84 | But this does not work.# |
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| 12:42.13 | ktwilight[m] | am trying hard to understand udev, but failed. :/ can anyone tell me why my rules doesn't run as it should be? http://rafb.net/p/deShVT77.html so basically i have a script that runs whenever udev detects a usb storage, but it doesn't run...? the script works perfectly fine by itself, i just need it to 'communicate' on-demand when a usb stick is inserted. |
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| 12:42.34 | maligor | mib_6yises84, yeah, dunno, it's probably not a very tested configuration |
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| 12:52.45 | _Brandon_ | hi, when I install some packages, like mysql server, I get mailx/exim4 automatically installed but they aren't dependencies, how can I prevent this? |
| 12:53.08 | alcohol | uh |
| 12:53.15 | alcohol | lol |
| 12:53.16 | alcohol | it doesn't do that when I install mysql-server |
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| 12:53.56 | _Brandon_ | maybe you already have another smtp server installed |
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| 12:53.57 | sep | _Brandon_, install any MTA |
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| 12:54.06 | _Brandon_ | but I don't need any mta |
| 12:54.28 | TTT | hi, i have amd64 debian, and I'm trying to run some 32 bit software on it that needs some 32 bit libraries. Is there a way to get them using APT or do I have to get debs myself and unpack them into /emul/ia32/ |
| 12:54.29 | TTT | ? |
| 12:54.41 | sep | _Brandon_, *nix'y systems use mail as alerts, the system need it the same way you need a voice. use nullmailer or something simialr if you want a very light one |
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| 12:55.12 | _Brandon_ | TTT: they are usually called lib32* in apt |
| 12:56.06 | _Brandon_ | sep: ok thanks |
| 12:56.12 | TTT | _Brandon_, hmm, libssl doesn't seem to be there, I'll try fetching it manually |
| 12:56.13 | stuarticus | I have 2 external drives I would like to automount on reboot, is it safe to use the hdb and hdc entries in fstab, are they assigned arbitrarily? |
| 12:56.36 | themill | stuarticus: better to use the uuid. /msg dpkg uuid |
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| 12:57.34 | stuarticus | Is support installed as standard? |
| 12:57.39 | ktwilight[m] | awesome, solved. |
| 12:58.02 | jelly | stuarticus: for uuids? yes |
| 12:58.10 | stuarticus | thanks |
| 12:58.11 | themill | stuarticus: debian's mount understands uuids |
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| 13:04.03 | cmyers_ | Hmmm... I need a perl module which might not be in debian - is there a definitive way to check of some module (say Foo::Bar) is in some debian package somewhere? If I find out it isn't, is there a standard proceedure to add it, or do I just follow the new package maintainer instructions? |
| 13:04.23 | cmyers_ | Obviously, I did some apt-cache searches and not found it. |
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| 13:08.54 | rvsjoen | with perl dont you just install from CPAN ? |
| 13:09.53 | cmyers_ | you could...but my preference is to use debian packages. If I eventually want to add my code to debian, for example, all of my dependencies will also need to be debian packages. |
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| 13:10.20 | gh0ster | im guessing something SNMP based... ideas? |
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| 13:20.11 | beli | hi |
| 13:20.30 | beli | i tried to restart my apache2 webserver....now it doesnt start anymore |
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| 13:20.50 | beli | i just get warnings about virtual hosts (they have been there before) |
| 13:20.58 | beli | no error message |
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| 13:21.23 | beli | any ideas? |
| 13:21.39 | entmoot | hi |
| 13:22.37 | funkyHat | beli: are you sure it isn't starting? |
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| 13:23.24 | cmyers_ | FYI, I found the answer to my previous question - folks looking for CPAN modules which don't seem to be in the standard debian archive can check here: http://debian.pkgs.cpan.org/ It has an apt source with more packages, as well as instructions for building your own debian packages from CPAN packages easily. |
| 13:23.31 | stuarticus | Not sure if this question makes sense... But how do I change the user and group that the PHP process runs at? |
| 13:23.36 | stuarticus | Or see it |
| 13:24.03 | _Brandon_ | stuarticus: it uses the same user/group of the webserver |
| 13:24.33 | stuarticus | so in apache that would be in apache2.conf? |
| 13:25.00 | _Brandon_ | probably, it should be www-data anyway |
| 13:25.47 | beli | funkyHat: ps -ef | grep -i [h]ttpd ; echo $? returns 1 |
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| 13:25.58 | beli | funkyHat: no httpd processes running |
| 13:26.14 | _Brandon_ | it's not called httpd |
| 13:26.26 | jelly | cmyers_: Debian has long had dh-make-perl |
| 13:26.28 | nan8 | i am experiencing the problem described in the linux kernel bug tracker #12309 (http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309): Large I/O operations result in slow performance and high iowait times. to be more specific: my system (debian/lenny amd64) is unusable during heavy database write operations - for example creation of a big index. any tips / hints / links / news? (i already tried to use the deadline i/o scheduler but it |
| 13:26.29 | nan8 | didn't help) |
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| 13:27.22 | beli | it should give an error log on fault! |
| 13:27.30 | beli | s/log/message/ |
| 13:28.24 | cmyers_ | jelly: Thanks, googling dh-make-perl is also looking helpful =) "the more you know!" *cheesy music* |
| 13:28.53 | liable | mmmm, cheese.. |
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| 13:30.15 | entmoot | I cant unrar files through midnight commander.. I get this error... unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by unrar) |
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| 13:30.37 | entmoot | anyone know which package I miss? |
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| 13:33.46 | beli | found the error |
| 13:34.09 | beli | howto find out who maintains a debian package? |
| 13:34.25 | nan8 | entmoot: maybe a recent enough libc? |
| 13:34.50 | nan8 | entmoot: you should provide more details |
| 13:34.50 | Tapout | beli, type it in .. packages.debian.org ... right hand side it shows it |
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| 13:34.58 | beli | Tapout: thanks... |
| 13:35.08 | entmoot | nan8: I have libc6 |
| 13:35.10 | beli | got some bug report ;) |
| 13:35.31 | nan8 | entmoot: which version - does unrar on the command line work - output of ldd unrar |
| 13:35.58 | entmoot | nan8: im just use to apt-get unrar works in ubuntu.. dont here on debian |
| 13:36.10 | entmoot | nan8: cmd line gives me the same |
| 13:36.27 | nan8 | entmoot: which so you installed unrar via apt-get install unrar? |
| 13:36.29 | liable | do you have the non-free unrar? |
| 13:36.40 | p0g0 | liable: was that cheese as in beer and cheese, or cheese as in cheesy? |
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| 13:36.53 | liable | beer and cheese! |
| 13:37.07 | p0g0 | liable: just checking. |
| 13:37.10 | liable | loves a big chink o cheese washed down with beer |
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| 13:37.19 | liable | s/chink/chunk/ |
| 13:37.22 | entmoot | I have non-free |
| 13:37.43 | entmoot | cmd line + mc gives me that exact same error output |
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| 13:38.25 | etb | is mlocate faster than slocate? |
| 13:38.46 | liable | isnt that a kernel thing? |
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| 13:39.43 | nan8 | entmoot: did you install it via: "apt-get install unrar" ? |
| 13:40.33 | entmoot | nan8: you cant do that in debian.. only apt-get install unrar-nonfree |
| 13:40.56 | nan8 | entmoot: so you did: apt-get install unrar-nonfree ? |
| 13:41.03 | entmoot | yes |
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| 13:41.25 | nan8 | entmoot: which debian version? |
| 13:41.45 | entmoot | nan8: etch 4.0 |
| 13:42.08 | nan8 | entmoot: output of: ldd unrar |
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| 13:42.54 | etb | which is the default locate in debian?> |
| 13:43.06 | entmoot | nan8: sorry? |
| 13:43.42 | gynterk | is 2 GB to / part ok, if /var /usr /tmp are on different parts? |
| 13:43.51 | nan8 | entmoot: if you enter "ldd unrar" in your shell - the output is? |
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| 13:44.11 | abrotman | etb: the one you setup |
| 13:44.12 | entmoot | nan8: ldd: ./unrar: No such file or directory |
| 13:44.24 | etb | abrotman: what does aptitude install locate install? |
| 13:44.47 | abrotman | etb: probably a UTF for your area ? dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:44.51 | abrotman | echo $LANG |
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| 13:45.05 | nan8 | entmoot: sorry: "ldd $(which unrar)" |
| 13:45.29 | etb | abrotman: hm?? |
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| 13:45.42 | etb | i'm not on debian atm that's why i ask |
| 13:45.42 | mort_gib | HI |
| 13:47.06 | entmoot | /usr/local/bin/unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/local/bin/unrar) |
| 13:47.06 | entmoot | linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) |
| 13:47.06 | entmoot | libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb7e50000) |
| 13:47.06 | entmoot | libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm.so.6 (0xb7e2b000) |
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| 13:47.08 | dob1 | hi, can you suggest me a qos/shaper script to give more priority to normal normal traffic other than p2p traffic and similar? i found wondershaper and p2pshaper, seems ok but they are very old project (never updated from 2002,2004) |
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| 13:47.10 | entmoot | libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb7e1f000) |
| 13:47.12 | entmoot | libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7cee000) |
| 13:47.14 | entmoot | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f3e000) |
| 13:47.15 | rvsjoen | etb : http://pastebin.com/f1783c9f8 |
| 13:47.16 | entmoot | whoops |
| 13:47.19 | rvsjoen | nice |
| 13:47.23 | mort_gib | I need to find out if I can recover deleted emails from a Server running Cyrus imap?? |
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| 13:47.55 | etb | rvsjoen: check man locate and please tell me what it says at the very end |
| 13:47.56 | mort_gib | dob1: Use OPenBSD and PF |
| 13:48.07 | entmoot | nan8: http://rafb.net/p/iozEiK53.html |
| 13:48.08 | beli | mort_gib: how have they been deleted? |
| 13:48.11 | Eulex | entmoot, where did you find that unrar and why are you trying to run it on etch? |
| 13:48.18 | mort_gib | :-/ from Outlook |
| 13:48.42 | entmoot | Eulex: I want to unrar packed files in mc? |
| 13:48.44 | dob1 | mort_gib: i want to use linux |
| 13:48.49 | nan8 | entmoot: sorry - phone |
| 13:48.52 | rvsjoen | etb: http://pastebin.com/f2ab54f29 |
| 13:48.54 | gynterk | apt-get install unrar? |
| 13:49.04 | mort_gib | dob1: :-) Fair enough |
| 13:49.07 | entmoot | gynterk: still dont work on debian |
| 13:49.16 | beli | dob1: wondershaper is ok....they arent updated, cause there is nothing to be updated...they are _small_ scripts |
| 13:49.18 | gynterk | orly? odd works for me |
| 13:49.27 | gynterk | also w mc |
| 13:49.41 | dob1 | beli: ok then |
| 13:49.41 | entmoot | gynterk: with debian os? |
| 13:49.46 | Eulex | entmoot, can answer my first question, please? also, etch includes both an unrar and an unrar-free; no need to get it from anywhere else. |
| 13:49.53 | etb | rvsjoen: thansk |
| 13:50.05 | gynterk | entmoot, etch |
| 13:50.14 | CoolCold | hi |
| 13:50.29 | CoolCold | wanna stress-test machine with 16gb of ram |
| 13:50.35 | CoolCold | what tools should be used? |
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| 13:50.52 | entmoot | gynterk: hmm.. I dont get that |
| 13:50.54 | Eulex | CoolCold, cpuburn and stress |
| 13:51.08 | jelly | CoolCold: making lots of kernels at the same time! |
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| 13:51.35 | jelly | ... from a ramfs! |
| 13:51.38 | entmoot | I did netinstall though |
| 13:51.39 | gynterk | thou hm, i'm not sure that i'm using unrar from debian repo... |
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| 13:51.56 | Kasreyn | anyone know how to create debian/rules for a new project? |
| 13:52.04 | entmoot | gynterk: you got other source? |
| 13:52.27 | gynterk | not in sources.list anymore, I might have got a .deb from somewhere |
| 13:52.31 | Eulex | entmoot, you told him that "apt-get install unrar doesn't work"? do you have non-free sources? |
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| 13:52.44 | liable | hkman dh_make |
| 13:52.56 | liable | Kasreyn: man dh_make |
| 13:53.42 | liable | !tell Kasreyn about nmg |
| 13:54.06 | jaggz1 | some of these visualizations (animations) on macs are really beautiful.. is there something more beautiful under linux? there's something sort of.. missing.. in all of the xscreensaver programs (although they have their wonder-side too!) |
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| 13:54.34 | Eulex | jaggz1, you did look at the -gl screensavers, right? |
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| 13:54.40 | Kasreyn | liable: oh yeah thanks :) |
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| 13:54.51 | entmoot | Eulex: to start with I did install unrar-nonfree, worked now if I do install unrar like normal... I get.. unrar is newest version |
| 13:54.58 | liable | likes the cows on a tamompoline |
| 13:55.00 | jaggz1 | nupe |
| 13:55.14 | mne | Hi, copy&paste with the middlew mouse button does not work under gnome. Can someone help ? |
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| 13:55.43 | norbert_ | hi all; question: my usb stick is being auto mounted under Debian testing (with gnome 2.22.3) every other time, can I make it work every time? |
| 13:55.46 | Eulex | entmoot, there is no package named unrar-nonfree. |
| 13:55.54 | abrotman | abhishekbatra: probably depends on the device in question |
| 13:55.57 | liable | uh, yes there is |
| 13:56.05 | abrotman | judd: versions unrar-nonfree |
| 13:56.06 | judd | abrotman: unrar-nonfree -- |
| 13:56.14 | jaggz1 | looking for the files now, Eulex |
| 13:56.21 | Eulex | the non-free package is just named 'unrar' |
| 13:56.26 | abhishekbatra | face recog login? |
| 13:56.36 | liable | hmm, it used to be called unrar-nonfree |
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| 13:56.39 | Eulex | entmoot, can you show us you sources.list, and the output of apt-cache unrar unrar-free unrar-nonfree? |
| 13:56.40 | abrotman | looks at abhishekbatra's face, and logs him in |
| 13:56.47 | entmoot | Eulex: sorry unrar-free |
| 13:56.51 | abrotman | liable: i think that's the factoid name |
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| 13:57.08 | abrotman | !unrar-nonfree |
| 13:57.13 | abrotman | or not ... |
| 13:57.17 | liable | abrotman: i'm pretty sure it was the package name |
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| 13:57.25 | Eulex | liable, yes, I believe so too. perhaps in sarge. |
| 13:57.32 | entmoot | unrar-free is the package name |
| 13:58.00 | Eulex | entmoot, sorry, the command I wanted you to run was apt-cache policy unrar unrar-free |
| 13:58.14 | liable | Eulex: youre probably right |
| 13:58.16 | abhishekbatra | a device of lesser intelligence than that ;) |
| 13:58.23 | jelly | entmoot: uh, why not use "rar"? |
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| 13:58.32 | liable | damn, i spelled your right.. |
| 13:58.34 | abrotman | Eulex: nope |
| 13:58.43 | abrotman | liable: must have been an accident |
| 13:58.47 | kabotage | hey is this enough to make a debian desktop? i DL'ed the kde-cd-1. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc2/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 13:58.49 | entmoot | Eulex: http://rafb.net/p/U6BkId71.html |
| 13:58.50 | liable | it was! |
| 13:59.02 | abrotman | kabotage: which CD are you going to get ? |
| 13:59.33 | Eulex | entmoot, deiligt |
| 13:59.41 | kabotage | abrotman: lenny, the kde cd on that link. |
| 13:59.49 | entmoot | Eulex: haha wtf? |
| 13:59.56 | abrotman | kabotage: yep, that'll get you a basic KDE setup .. and a few bonus apps! |
| 14:00.07 | abrotman | kabotage: then you can get the rest via an http source |
| 14:00.08 | Eulex | <---- swede |
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| 14:00.19 | entmoot | Eulex: ohh :) |
| 14:00.36 | liable | hmm .. http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/unrar-nonfree |
| 14:01.05 | entmoot | Eulex: output -> http://rafb.net/p/k6lUip67.html |
| 14:01.15 | kabotage | abrotman: thanks. +50 karma on you man. :D |
| 14:01.47 | Kasreyn | dh_make works but what do i do when i want to install to /usr/games ? |
| 14:02.03 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:02.10 | stuarticus | best way to keep 2 local folders in sync, one being a backup of the other? Is Rsync suitable, or is it more for remote folders? |
| 14:02.12 | abrotman | goes to the mall to spend his karma |
| 14:02.22 | Rienzilla | rsync will do that just fine |
| 14:02.25 | abrotman | stuarticus: rsync should work |
| 14:02.27 | stuarticus | cool |
| 14:02.31 | Eulex | entmoot, all looks correct there, except that you do not seem to have non-free sources currently (but you probably once did). |
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| 14:03.24 | entmoot | Eulex: would reboot do any good ya think? |
| 14:03.27 | cake_ | hey |
| 14:03.39 | entmoot | eats cake_ |
| 14:03.40 | cake_ | did anyone else get affectecd by the recent libgnutls13 update? |
| 14:03.51 | cake_ | my ldap auth broke on the servers i upgraded |
| 14:03.59 | cake_ | which is not cool |
| 14:03.59 | cake_ | :p |
| 14:04.01 | liable | ouch |
| 14:04.23 | Eulex | entmoot, no. not at all. |
| 14:04.24 | liable | hyour servers run testing? |
| 14:04.32 | cake_ | so after reading abit i find that after the upgrade my self-signed CAs isnt trusted anymore |
| 14:04.40 | cake_ | well v1 CA that is |
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| 14:04.51 | cake_ | anyone know how i can fix it? |
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| 14:05.04 | entmoot | Eulex: hmm ok.. im lost then :( |
| 14:05.05 | Eulex | entmoot, oh wait, I took a look at the output you pasted above from ldd, and it says /usr/local/bin/unrar -- which means that you manually installed unrar in some way. get rid of it, and everything should 'just work' |
| 14:05.08 | cake_ | liable: etch |
| 14:05.30 | cake_ | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/69ebe3e3c04b0613/7b66b6b1257ad01d?lnk=raot |
| 14:05.33 | cake_ | discussion about it here |
| 14:05.47 | cake_ | but they dont provide a solution for the affected systems |
| 14:05.55 | jelly | cake_: wait... but a root CA cannot be anything other than self-signed! |
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| 14:06.24 | cake_ | jelly: err i suppose so |
| 14:06.28 | cake_ | let me refrase |
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| 14:06.50 | cake_ | "I believe the problem is that you have a V1 CA, which isn't permitted by" |
| 14:06.51 | cake_ | default by libgnutls. |
| 14:06.58 | cake_ | thats the problem |
| 14:07.24 | cake_ | cd /etc/ldap/ssl/ |
| 14:07.24 | cake_ | /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.sh -newca |
| 14:07.24 | cake_ | openssl req -newkey rsa:1024 -nodes -keyout newreq.pem -out newreq.pem |
| 14:07.25 | cake_ | /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.sh -sign |
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| 14:07.43 | cake_ | thats harsh |
| 14:07.43 | entmoot | Eulex: you are no. 1 Thnx a lot !!1 |
| 14:07.45 | cake_ | was only a few lines |
| 14:07.48 | entmoot | Eulex: works |
| 14:07.48 | cake_ | :p |
| 14:07.51 | cake_ | anyeay |
| 14:08.00 | cake_ | anyway |
| 14:08.11 | entmoot | thnx #debian |
| 14:08.11 | cake_ | i created the ca with /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.sh -newca |
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| 14:08.15 | jelly | cake_: is this a regression from the previous etch version? |
| 14:08.19 | Eulex | entmoot, np |
| 14:08.28 | cake_ | jelly: what do you mean? |
| 14:08.43 | liable | interesting bug |
| 14:08.51 | cake_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.55 | cake_ | this version breaks it |
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| 14:08.58 | cake_ | well fixes it |
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| 14:09.01 | jelly | cake_: did your setup work without changes with libgnutls13 released with etch? |
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| 14:09.14 | liable | jelly: did you read the link he gave? |
| 14:09.15 | cake_ | but at the same time messes up setups with v1 CAs it seems |
| 14:09.26 | cake_ | jelly: yeah before this securityfix |
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| 14:09.41 | d-b | cake_: are those using md5 ? |
| 14:09.50 | jaggz | any other beautiful audio-visualization software, like goom for xine, but even prettier? |
| 14:09.52 | jelly | liable: yes, but the graph says found in 0.9.94-1 |
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| 14:10.40 | d-b | jelly: amarok as some nice stuff |
| 14:10.46 | d-b | sorry i mean jaggz * |
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| 14:11.08 | jelly | liable: and I lied, it was tldr. |
| 14:11.49 | liable | hmm, we need a short attention span smite |
| 14:11.51 | liable | ;) |
| 14:12.20 | cake_ | d-b: wot? |
| 14:12.29 | abrotman | !kikismite liable |
| 14:12.29 | dpkg | smites liable with ... oooh, shiny! |
| 14:12.55 | Eulex | !win abrotman |
| 14:12.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 14:13.21 | liable | thats not a bad price! its $4 a can here! |
| 14:13.30 | liable | s/price/prize/ |
| 14:13.43 | abrotman | !prise Eulex |
| 14:13.43 | dpkg | forcibly removes Eulex from Eulex's keyboard |
| 14:14.09 | Eulex | :> |
| 14:14.11 | Eulex | I already have a lifetime supply of spam in my inbox |
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| 14:14.39 | Eulex | approximately 1700/month |
| 14:15.11 | liable | never heard of spamassasin? |
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| 14:15.55 | jelly | spamassassin ssometimess ssuckss |
| 14:16.02 | liable | yesss |
| 14:16.11 | beli | 1700/month ? |
| 14:16.13 | beli | thats nothing |
| 14:16.24 | jelly | Eulex: after filtering? Ew. |
| 14:16.37 | liable | adding blacklist checks helps an awefull lot too |
| 14:16.38 | beli | the best thing against mail spam is greylisting...does about 93% of the job |
| 14:16.42 | Eulex | no, before filtering |
| 14:16.57 | liable | indeed, postgrey ftw |
| 14:16.58 | abrotman | Eulex: just yours? or a group of people ? |
| 14:17.03 | jelly | beli: that might have been the case 2-3 years ago. |
| 14:17.05 | Eulex | just mine |
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| 14:17.31 | liable | greylisting still kills the large majority |
| 14:17.45 | liable | from what i see anyway |
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| 14:19.03 | beli | jelly: i run servers with postgrey and policy weighting for years...and it works perfect |
| 14:19.17 | beli | liable: right |
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| 14:23.36 | Rapp | is there a repo that contains a kernel >2.6.26 for debian testing? i CAN compile a kernel from source, but i would LOVE to have a package for testing, also with a header or source package |
| 14:24.06 | liable | kernel-team have 2.6.28 in their svn apparently |
| 14:24.27 | Rapp | who is kernel team, and where is their repo located? |
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| 14:27.04 | enouf | liable: alrighty then - done sleeping ;-) |
| 14:27.34 | liable | hehe |
| 14:27.35 | jelly | Rapp: for testing, no. |
| 14:27.57 | Rapp | jelly, thanks... :-( |
| 14:27.58 | enouf | uh ... you have to make it |
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| 14:28.20 | liable | there is one, i just cant find it.. its in git or svn.. |
| 14:28.34 | jelly | Rapp: #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org, their topic includes an URL to their buildserver. It's not a full deb ... line though. |
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| 14:28.44 | enouf | wiki.debian.org / DebianKernel :-P |
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| 14:29.05 | jaggz | jelly, I'll try amarok, thanks |
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| 14:29.17 | jelly | jaggz: ? |
| 14:29.26 | jelly | probably a miscomplete |
| 14:29.29 | jaggz | my coworker was mentioning the mac's new protools version 8 had something really nice-looking |
| 14:29.37 | jaggz | oh, no.. d-b |
| 14:29.48 | jaggz | sorry, your lines were sandwiched |
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| 14:31.09 | enouf | ham and icanhazscheeze ? |
| 14:31.25 | abrotman | mmm |
| 14:31.49 | liable | mmmm, cheese |
| 14:32.00 | beardy | mmm |
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| 14:32.32 | enouf | starts the picnicking and bbq :-) |
| 14:33.03 | beardy | lines up the beer and beverages |
| 14:33.21 | liable | eats everything in sight |
| 14:33.26 | jaggz | amarok outputs no sound... I just updated to lenny from etch. gxine works |
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| 14:33.42 | bolt-work | njkkjnkjnjknjk |
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| 14:34.17 | Rapp | jelly, thanks! |
| 14:34.24 | beardy | ties bolt-work's right hand to the picnick basket |
| 14:34.39 | jaggz | now it locked up when changing the audio system.. sigh. |
| 14:34.40 | enouf | hehe |
| 14:34.52 | billybigrigger | after a fresh install of lenny i have no x on first boot...this is a brand new system i built last night...its got onboard geforce 7050 gfx...running sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg does nothing |
| 14:34.53 | enouf | gee+xine? sounds like an abomination of xine, but ok :-p |
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| 14:35.23 | enouf | billybigrigger: lenny is autoconfigured X, no more drxx |
| 14:35.29 | jelly | dpkg: d-k is <reply>Preliminary packages for newer kernels are sometimes available in the kernel team's repo: "deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel trunk main"; See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel for more info, or visit #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org. |
| 14:35.29 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 14:35.30 | liable | hey booboo, whats in the pikinik basket |
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| 14:36.05 | enouf | dpkg: d-k is also see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 14:36.05 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
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| 14:36.48 | enouf | liable: bear meat? .. heh |
| 14:36.56 | billybigrigger | enouf, well it autoconfigured my x settings wrong then |
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| 14:37.45 | enouf | billybigrigger: yes - that happens ... so .. egrep 'EE|drv' /var/log/Xorg.0.log <-pastebin |
| 14:37.53 | jelly | enouf: probably better to put that near make-kpkg factoids |
| 14:38.03 | jaggz | enouf, yeah -- it runs when I run "xine", but the commandline options (corresponding to the manpages) are not the same -- gxine doesn't support some of xine's options I've noticed. (Or at least one) |
| 14:38.17 | enouf | jelly: perhaps ... |
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| 14:39.37 | enouf | jaggz: xine's config can be quite complicated - are you Master of your own Universe? |
| 14:39.37 | enouf | (or whatever that option is) |
| 14:39.51 | liable | all the video players suck. you have to have them all installed in the hope that maybe one will work when you try and play video |
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| 14:40.40 | enouf | er .. i'd say .. 'many video formats suck' |
| 14:40.45 | jelly | liable: where all ~ [mplayer, xine, vlc]? |
| 14:40.46 | kapipi | Will an apt-get remove inn2 also remove some innd data files? How can I see what it would remove? |
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| 14:41.02 | enouf | and windows weenies proliferate and exacerbate the situation |
| 14:41.04 | liable | with -d ? |
| 14:41.11 | liable | err |
| 14:41.21 | liable | whatever it is for --dry-run |
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| 14:41.24 | wohnout | hello everybody. I'm trying to backport package in pbuilder. Everything works great but I can't find anywhere how to change name of final package. Can somebody tell me how? |
| 14:41.40 | stew | kapipi: it will remove /var/lib/dpkg/info/$packagename.list and whatever is removed in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.{prerm,postrm} removes |
| 14:41.43 | jaggz | damn, my computer's not fast enough to run this screensaver |
| 14:41.54 | stew | kapipi: i mean the files listed in $packagename.list |
| 14:42.06 | jelly | kapipi: in general a remove doesn't touch anything in /var or /etc. A purge might do more of a cleanup. |
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| 14:42.47 | kapipi | ok thanks |
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| 14:42.53 | liable | jelly: yes, all three |
| 14:43.00 | pngwn | !ops ZeKeRiya spams on join |
| 14:43.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pngwn complains about: ZeKeRiya spams on join |
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| 14:43.20 | pngwn | TU |
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| 14:43.35 | liable | lorez wins |
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| 14:44.12 | stew | pngwn: thanks for the notice :) |
| 14:44.49 | enouf | never see onjoin spam :-( |
| 14:45.08 | enouf | has join/part messages hidden |
| 14:45.13 | amphi | you never /join, do you? ;) |
| 14:45.22 | liable | you need to get out more |
| 14:45.29 | jelly | and your pc too! |
| 14:45.38 | kapipi | Does apt keep track of which files have been changed and preserve any changed files when removing a package? I mean, probably the files in spool and etc would have changed in the case of innd. |
| 14:45.39 | enouf | amphi: i'm always 'picnicking and bbq'ing' ;-) |
| 14:45.54 | amphi | enouf: very wise |
| 14:46.24 | enouf | takes his boxen out for a walk |
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| 14:47.28 | jaggz | I need a new computer |
| 14:47.28 | enouf | kapipi: strace it .. or strace a -s |
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| 14:47.57 | jaggz | this one... 1.7GHz is too slow isn't it? |
| 14:48.17 | enouf | p2 350MHz works for me :-P |
| 14:48.25 | kapipi | enouf: strace? |
| 14:48.44 | enouf | and let's me know right away when i've installed BLOATware |
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| 14:49.14 | enouf | kapipi: yes - strace: /usr/bin/strace |
| 14:49.56 | kapipi | enouf: uhm, don't have it, and what would it help me? |
| 14:50.14 | enouf | kapipi: if you don't care, i don't mind ;-) |
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| 14:50.34 | kapipi | enouf: I just don't see what you want me to do with it? |
| 14:50.41 | enouf | kapipi: then ignore me |
| 14:50.50 | kapipi | enouf: ok? |
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| 14:51.00 | kapipi | is confused |
| 14:51.16 | SunnyDP | kapipi :D:D:D |
| 14:51.30 | kapipi | enouf: I recommend drfconf! |
| 14:51.47 | enouf | kapipi: i'm on it - thanks ;-) |
| 14:51.53 | kapipi | :-DD |
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| 14:52.21 | parsifal_ | If I download Debian, does it come with GNUStep as an included package? |
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| 14:52.56 | enouf | judd: versions gnustep |
| 14:52.57 | judd | enouf: gnustep -- etch: 5.2 lenny: 7.3 sid: 7.3 |
| 14:53.51 | stew | parsifal_: gnustep is in debian. it woulnd't be installed by default, but should be readily available post-install |
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| 14:54.11 | beardy | !installit |
| 14:54.11 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 14:54.41 | parsifal_ | stew: Cool. Does debian use GDM or something else X-based for login? Or is it all command-line? |
| 14:54.48 | mastro | hi, can you link me the doc for init.d scripts? and tell me wich command update the runlevel links? (reading from default-start 2, 3, 4 ...) thanks |
| 14:54.53 | parsifal_ | beardy: thanks that was really helpful |
| 14:54.56 | enouf | !dm |
| 14:54.57 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 14:54.57 | beardy | parsifal_: Whatever you like. xdm, gdm, kdm |
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| 14:55.06 | beardy | parsifal_: or wdm, possibly more |
| 14:55.13 | parsifal_ | okay |
| 14:55.37 | enouf | mastro: /msg dpkg update-rc.d |
| 14:55.46 | beardy | parsifal_: Welcome to the world of choice and freedom. |
| 14:55.53 | parsifal_ | hehe |
| 14:55.53 | theholyduck | beardy, or slim! |
| 14:55.55 | stew | parsifal_: it provides gdm,xdm,kdm,slim,wdm and maybe more. if you ask for a "desktop" install you'd get gnome, unless you used a 'xfce' or 'kde' install cd. if you don't ask for a desktop, you get no graphical login and can choose one later if you like |
| 14:55.56 | theholyduck | likes slim |
| 14:56.14 | parsifal_ | once upon a time I had a Linux install that was really pared down.. I like a command-line login that just executes startx (and then whatever wm I like) |
| 14:56.27 | parsifal_ | ahhh, interesting -- thanks stew |
| 14:56.33 | beardy | That's also all possible, if you like that. |
| 14:56.36 | parsifal_ | If I download the netinst one, will it ask me which I want? |
| 14:56.44 | theholyduck | naw |
| 14:56.46 | Maior | parsifal_: I just don't run X |
| 14:56.47 | theholyduck | just gnome as i remember |
| 14:56.54 | theholyduck | unless you select you dont want desktop |
| 14:57.03 | parsifal_ | Maior: This is something I can respect |
| 14:57.12 | enouf | parsifal_: just untick all 'tasksel' options selected - or choose 'standard' only |
| 14:57.14 | parsifal_ | ah okay, interesting, good to know theholyduck |
| 14:57.29 | stew | parsifal_: during the install, you are offered several "tasks" like "desktop install" or "laptop" or "file server". if you choose to install the "desktop" task, you get a graphical login, otherwise you get text based |
| 14:57.37 | Maior | parsifal_: but Debian is very nice and sane wrt minimal systems |
| 14:57.38 | beardy | parsifal_: The netinst installs a basic base system, no X. The business card netinst installs less things from the disk still, and fetches almost everything over the net. |
| 14:57.49 | parsifal_ | stew, enouf: Cool, that is good to know |
| 14:57.51 | stew | (and if you don't install "desktop" you could later run "tasksel install desktop" or "aptitude install xorg gnome" or "aptitude install xorg kde" |
| 14:57.54 | enouf | parsifal_: standard installs all pkgs of priority required, important and standard |
| 14:57.56 | parsifal_ | good lord this is like the most helpful IRC channel I've ever been on |
| 14:58.11 | parsifal_ | Maior: Yeah it seems like everything is based on frickin GTK+ these days |
| 14:58.12 | beardy | Some people, like me, dislike the tasks altogether, and just install the packages they want. |
| 14:58.36 | Maior | it's things like this that make me so happy I switched to Debian |
| 14:58.40 | parsifal_ | beardy: Oh cool; yeah I think I like the idea of a very minimal system to start with, and then I install X, etc. That way I understand everything |
| 14:58.50 | Maior | now I just need to sort a package of mplayer that doesn't use X libs ;) |
| 14:59.05 | parsifal_ | Maior: What would it use otherwise? |
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| 14:59.14 | Maior | parsifal_: I use it for -dumpaudio |
| 14:59.19 | beardy | parsifal_: Then install with the netinst, and don't select any tasks. Look around the system, and then you run aptitude when you miss something, and install it. |
| 14:59.20 | enouf | parsifal_: /msg dpkg metapackage (xorg is one of those, so is build-essential - yet b-e is very useful ;-)) |
| 14:59.21 | Maior | and occasionally, aalib viewing |
| 14:59.53 | parsifal_ | Maior: Ahhh.. Yeah I'd imagine mplayer would be hard to build! Wait, doesn't it or VLC just use output plugins? There must be like a null output plugin for video |
| 14:59.59 | parsifal_ | tho I guess it still has a UI |
| 15:00.10 | parsifal_ | beardy: Sounds like a great plan |
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| 15:00.19 | Maior | parsifal_: trivial to build from source, I just need to take some time to learn about packaging stuff for Debian |
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| 15:00.26 | enouf | Maior: if that really is important, just go grab mplayer source from svn and build it how you like |
| 15:00.36 | Maior | enouf: ^^ did ;) |
| 15:00.47 | parsifal_ | Maior: ahh |
| 15:00.54 | enouf | Maior: there's even a DPKG_BUILD_OPTIONS ... |
| 15:00.54 | beardy | parsifal_: Don't untick the "base" task though.. let that install, but don't select any others. |
| 15:00.54 | AliTarihi | Hi, anyone got mplayerthumbs working? |
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| 15:01.09 | Maior | enouf: ah, cheers |
| 15:01.10 | mastro | enouf: tnx... and what about a doc? with best practice and a list of variable like $networks that you can use |
| 15:01.10 | beardy | parsifal_: less, and other nice things is in it, that you do want |
| 15:01.20 | parsifal_ | beardy: I'll make sure the most important things are included: Kernel, bash, vim ;-) |
| 15:01.28 | parsifal_ | ahh |
| 15:01.34 | parsifal_ | yeah, the stuff I use without thinking about it |
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| 15:01.45 | enouf | mastro: sorry ? did i accidentally highlight your nick? or ... |
| 15:02.01 | enouf | chacks for brainfarts .. |
| 15:02.22 | enouf | mastro: ahh .. ok - update-rc.d ;-) |
| 15:03.03 | enouf | mastro: /etc/init.d/skeleton - but /msg dpkg rcconf - follow the URLs listed ... hrm, man init, man runlevels, man inittab |
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| 15:03.53 | mastro | enouf: thank you very much |
| 15:04.05 | enouf | mastro: /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> is also loaded with info ;-) |
| 15:04.14 | enouf | welcome |
| 15:04.15 | mastro | enouf: very well |
| 15:04.24 | mastro | enouf: you was of much help! thanks again |
| 15:05.00 | parsifal_ | 161MB for netinst is a lot smaller than the DVD image for Ubuntu, haha |
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| 15:05.33 | beardy | The 40MB "businesscard" iso is smaller. |
| 15:05.34 | AliTarihi | Hi, anyone got mplayerthumbs working? |
| 15:05.39 | parsifal_ | this is true |
| 15:05.45 | rvsjoen | I can't seem to be able to make my uml host and guest system talk to each other, when pinging the host from the guest I see the arp request/replies on the host, when pinging the guest from the host I see nothing. Im trying to use tuntap |
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| 15:08.47 | enouf | beardy: depends on which ARCH! |
| 15:08.48 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:09.05 | beardy | enouf: Yeah. |
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| 15:09.21 | beardy | enouf: Ubuntu doesn't have one at all for $arch, one can say too then.. |
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| 15:09.31 | enouf | iirc, the ppc one is 2x the size or so |
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| 15:10.18 | beardy | I default to x86 in my thinking and saying. |
| 15:10.35 | beardy | For good or bad. |
| 15:10.42 | enouf | indeed - so does judd - you're in good company ;-) |
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| 15:18.34 | parsifal_ | <3 VirtualBox |
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| 15:22.51 | myeggo | <3 VirtualBox too |
| 15:23.22 | et | vmware is <3er ;) |
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| 15:23.58 | myeggo | vmware is not paid required? |
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| 15:24.18 | Alcatros | How can i install perl 5.10 in debian ? |
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| 15:25.05 | stew | Alcatros: upgrade to lenny |
| 15:25.36 | myeggo | im looking for information how to creating gnome applets |
| 15:25.37 | Alcatros | how can i upgrade to lenny without downloding millions of megabytes? i |
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| 15:25.53 | AliTarihi | Any luck to get mplayerthumbs working on Lenny? |
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| 15:27.05 | themill | Alcatros: depends how many packages you've got installed, but it's typically hundreds of MB not millions for etch->lenny. |
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| 15:27.20 | momelod | greetings |
| 15:27.24 | Alcatros | lets ask like that, how do i get perl 5.10 installed without upgrading ? because i hang on a 30kb/s |
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| 15:27.54 | RichardBronosky | How do I get apt to install a specific version of a package that exists in both Etch and Experimental? (both being in my sources) |
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| 15:28.28 | stew | RichardBronosky: we'd strongly recommend that you don't do that, but backport the packages instead: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:28.46 | momelod | can anyone tell me how to get rid of this error i everytime i run apt-get install: "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18-6-powerpc_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1_powerpc.deb. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). A package failed to install. Trying to recover:" |
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| 15:29.05 | momelod | this happend after i installed my system and did an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
| 15:29.18 | momelod | it then tried re-installing the kernel i already had installed |
| 15:29.26 | momelod | and now i keep seeing that error |
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| 15:31.24 | abhishekbatra | could be a problem with the archive, try moving it to a safe place before installing |
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| 15:32.26 | Pendrag01 | In what movie did harrison ford have his eyes replaced, then hide in a bath tub until he had to have them scanned by robotic spiders? |
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| 15:35.17 | myosound | Pendrag01: I don't think that was harrison ford movie; sounds like 'minority report' |
| 15:35.22 | shabble | erm, wasn't taht tom cruise? |
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| 15:37.48 | stew | Pendrag01: try #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
| 15:38.19 | JyZyXEL | !lenny status |
| 15:38.19 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny> |
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| 15:38.47 | Eulex | yay! |
| 15:38.49 | sputnick_ | hi guys |
| 15:38.55 | JyZyXEL | stew are you excited? |
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| 15:39.04 | stew | JyZyXEL: indeed |
| 15:39.07 | Tapout | hey stew, I've upgraded to Lenny... question, do I just grab the Experimental mysql 5.1.31 package and install the deb or is there a better way to install it? |
| 15:39.20 | beardy | !experimental |
| 15:39.20 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 15:39.22 | sputnick_ | I wonder if someone here knows an equivalent to auto-apt or apt-file for rpm manager... |
| 15:39.48 | stew | Tapout: the safest thing is to wait for a backport |
| 15:39.52 | jelly | sputnick_: don't you mean, yum manager? |
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| 15:40.03 | beardy | Don't you mean to ask somewhere else? |
| 15:40.07 | stew | Tapout: the next safest is to backport it yourself: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:40.20 | sputnick_ | jelly by example, yes |
| 15:40.29 | stew | Tapout: of course, you should be checking the bts before you consider doing anything with experimental |
| 15:40.40 | Tapout | bts? |
| 15:40.43 | Tapout | !bts |
| 15:40.43 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 15:40.44 | parsifal_ | I much prefer the Debian time-zone selecter. I hate having to pick Chicago or Mexico City every time |
| 15:40.46 | jelly | sputnick_: it will be best to ask in the proper channel for your distro, right |
| 15:40.54 | sputnick_ | auto-apt install dependencies automaticly, I need the same on a Centos/rpm |
| 15:41.16 | jelly | um. apt installs dependencies automatically by default. |
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| 15:41.17 | sputnick_ | I bet some guys here knows auto-apt that's why I ask here |
| 15:41.30 | abrotman | sputnick_: apt4rpm ? |
| 15:41.31 | enouf | i think the experimental factoid needs a ! after DOING |
| 15:41.43 | enouf | or maybe after NOT! :-P |
| 15:41.47 | sputnick_ | abrotman: that's a clue, yes |
| 15:42.24 | enouf | !auto-apt |
| 15:42.24 | dpkg | auto-apt is, like, very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=auto-apt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 15:43.44 | andylockran | hey all |
| 15:44.03 | parsifal_ | hola |
| 15:44.07 | Tapout | stew, do you happen to know a trigger to get dpkg to explain the steps? |
| 15:44.09 | beardy | !greet andylockran |
| 15:44.09 | dpkg | Howdy, andylockran |
| 15:44.12 | Tapout | I already checked the bugs, cleared |
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| 15:44.19 | stew | Tapout: the steps involved in ssb? |
| 15:44.23 | Alcatros | if i try to ./configure.gnu my perl 5.10 package and it says i have no C Compiler but i got gcc installed , what could i do to fix this ? |
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| 15:44.26 | Tapout | !ssb |
| 15:44.26 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 15:44.35 | andylockran | beardy: cheers for the welcome :) |
| 15:44.36 | enouf | !b-e Alcatros |
| 15:44.37 | dpkg | Alcatros: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 15:44.44 | abrotman | !tell Tapout about msg the bot |
| 15:45.33 | Tapout | well, I see mysql-server-5.1 on Experimental. I am just getting my Lenny fired up... (still processing). I see I can go into the packages.debian.org, grab the *.deb file and try and install that (hopefully it works) but there must be a better way to do it... maybe it's ssb |
| 15:45.37 | Alcatros | is libc6-devel a part of build-essentials ? |
| 15:45.42 | kamathln | I am using gnome on latest debian(lenny) .. every time i set my laptop to recharge, evolution pops up .. any ideas if this is specific to debian ? will check on #gnome too |
| 15:45.47 | Tapout | i'll try ssb |
| 15:46.05 | stew | Alcatros: yes, but you mean libc6-dev |
| 15:46.05 | Tapout | roger abrotman |
| 15:46.15 | Alcatros | thanks alot! |
| 15:46.24 | stew | Alcatros: (apt-cache depends build-essential) |
| 15:46.35 | kamathln | btw, using lenny here |
| 15:46.59 | jelly | sputnick_: yum is the standard packaging interface in centos 5, it's comparable to apt. |
| 15:47.12 | sputnick_ | heh ! :D |
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| 15:47.40 | enouf | Alcatros: ~$ pi cat /usr/share/build-essential/essential-packages-list |
| 15:47.40 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1334891 |
| 15:48.20 | sputnick_ | I wonder if you know a auto-apt equivalent jelly, not apt-get... |
| 15:48.31 | enouf | Alcatros: however |
| 15:48.35 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache depends build-essential is what you want |
| 15:48.36 | apt | enouf: that's too long |
| 15:48.49 | enouf | apt: silly bot you ;-) |
| 15:48.53 | Alcatros | ok i c ... iam just downloading it .. |
| 15:48.59 | abrotman | sputnick_: wouldn't it make more sense to ask the channel for your distro ? |
| 15:49.15 | stew | abrotman: oooh i know the answer to that one |
| 15:49.17 | sputnick_ | yes, both... |
| 15:49.33 | abrotman | eh? |
| 15:49.48 | abrotman | stew: but you know everything! |
| 15:49.49 | enouf | AC/DC both? ;- |
| 15:49.59 | icebrew54 | ACDC? |
| 15:50.01 | Maior | sputnick_: urpmf |
| 15:50.02 | icebrew54 | fuck yeha buddy! |
| 15:50.11 | d-b | kamathln: that's odd i don't get that on my laptop |
| 15:50.11 | beardy | No one answered me there for all 30 seconds! |
| 15:50.28 | d-b | beardy: good so wait. |
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| 15:50.48 | beardy | ... |
| 15:50.54 | kamathln | d-b: its a eee |
| 15:51.09 | enouf | sputnick_: try ##linux when there's nowhere left to go ;-) |
| 15:51.14 | abrotman | beardy: it's okay .. i got it .. even if d-b totally missed it |
| 15:51.22 | beardy | abrotman: Good. |
| 15:51.23 | sputnick_ | k |
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| 15:51.27 | stew | abrotman: i know today is probably the day mrs. stew starts talking in -ot again |
| 15:51.45 | beardy | stew: How right you are. |
| 15:51.49 | abrotman | stew: she's been chatty |
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| 15:52.36 | beardy | Feels like spring, a bit, I guess. When they wake up and starts talking about such things. |
| 15:52.40 | beardy | :) |
| 15:52.40 | d-b | kamathln_away: i dno't have an eee but its rather odd just test what happens if you purge the evolution settings |
| 15:52.47 | beardy | (Even though it's -4C and snow.) |
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| 15:53.01 | kamathln_away | d-b: evolution not even configured! |
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| 15:53.10 | d-b | kamathln_away: ^^ oh... |
| 15:53.20 | kamathln_away | d-b: thx.. going away for dinner |
| 15:53.25 | stew | beardy: it was like 16 here yesterday |
| 15:53.34 | beardy | stew: Nice :) |
| 15:55.39 | Tapout | stew, when I go to : apt-get build-dep mysql-server-5.1 ... it wants to install about 30 'new' packages... is there a way to force it to use what's available? |
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| 15:56.05 | stew | Tapout: isn't that what it is doing? |
| 15:56.14 | stew | Tapout: installing 30 available packages/ |
| 15:56.40 | Tapout | i think it's trying to bring 'experimental' .. 'autoconf' and the rest of those packages |
| 15:56.46 | Tapout | on to my lenny box |
| 15:57.04 | andylockran | ok, I'm pretty new to debian (coming from RHEL).. but I've been using ubuntu on the desktop for ~3 years.. |
| 15:57.09 | stew | judd: builddep mysql-server-5.1 --release experimental |
| 15:57.09 | judd | stew: mysql-dfsg-5.1 -- BuildDepends: libtool (>= 1.4.2-7), procps | hurd, debhelper (>= 4.1.16), file (>= 3.28-1), libncurses5-dev (>= 5.0-6), perl (>= 5.6.0), libwrap0-dev (>= 7.6-8.3), zlib1g-dev (>= 1:1.1.3-5), libreadline5-dev | libreadline-dev, psmisc, po-debconf, chrpath, automake1.9, doxygen, texlive-latex-base, gs, dpatch, gawk, bison, lsb-release |
| 15:57.35 | enouf | experimental is not a "release"! |
| 15:57.38 | andylockran | is emailing a package maintainer regarding an outstanding wishlist patch acceptable - Bug 435598) |
| 15:57.38 | stew | Tapout: why are you installing autoconf from experimental? |
| 15:57.39 | enouf | :-P |
| 15:57.46 | Tapout | stew, I don't want it |
| 15:57.52 | Tapout | i just want mysql 5.1.31 on this lenny box :) |
| 15:57.57 | Tapout | i was trying that ssd |
| 15:58.02 | enouf | ssb |
| 15:58.04 | Tapout | ssb method |
| 15:58.11 | Tapout | but it is trying to update those other packages |
| 15:58.14 | stew | Tapout: what makes you think that autoconf is being installed from experimental? |
| 15:58.28 | stew | Tapout: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy autoconf"? |
| 15:58.28 | enouf | all of a sudden thinks about the sst |
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| 15:58.47 | Tapout | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1334902 |
| 15:59.25 | Tapout | http://pastebin.ca/1334903 |
| 15:59.32 | Tapout | second one is the policy |
| 15:59.51 | stew | Tapout: yes, its installing the lenny version of autoconf |
| 15:59.55 | Pendrag01 | ah thanks myosound, they have the same Eye Lab and eye guy in Blade Runner, with Harrison Ford |
| 15:59.55 | stew | Tapout: which is what you want |
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| 16:00.19 | Tapout | oh |
| 16:00.32 | Tapout | well lemme try and install autoconf on it's own and retry, see if it satisifies it |
| 16:00.38 | Tapout | satisfies |
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| 16:00.48 | stew | Tapout: apt-get build-dep would install it for you |
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| 16:01.19 | Tapout | ya i was scared it was grabbing Experimental's autoconf and the rest of them |
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| 16:01.37 | beardy | stew: Is the database for judd easier to build and taking less space than what I heard it did, before? |
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| 16:01.52 | mannie1984_ | hi |
| 16:01.54 | Tapout | thank you stew |
| 16:02.09 | beardy | stew: If one wanted to try it.. if it's a shareable plugin that is.. |
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| 16:04.06 | enouf | stew: if the builddep output from judd is more than <x-amount-of-characters> the 300/500 char limit per line (whatever the amount is) will judd end the 1st output with a '...' ? -- so then one can ask 'judd more' (as i recall you telling me once, IIRC) |
| 16:04.49 | beardy | That's right, in general. |
| 16:04.59 | stew | beardy: the database is udd, which isn't necessarily trivial to setup |
| 16:05.05 | stew | beardy: the plugin is here: |
| 16:05.15 | stew | http://git.vireo.org/judd.git/ |
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| 16:05.47 | beardy | stew: Thanks. |
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| 16:06.09 | stew | dpkg: udd |
| 16:06.09 | dpkg | stew: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 16:06.16 | enouf | heh |
| 16:06.18 | beardy | :> |
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| 16:06.31 | parsifal_ | wow, sudo isn't even installed with this basic system, haha |
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| 16:07.09 | enouf | parsifal_: why would it be when there's root :-P |
| 16:07.15 | beardy | It's not something everyone wants, needs, or uses. |
| 16:07.15 | stew | dpkg: udd is the "ultimate debian database", an effort to gather lots of useful information about debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant postgres database. see http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase |
| 16:07.15 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 16:07.28 | parsifal_ | enouf: I've just never used a system that didn't include sudo; it's awesome, haha |
| 16:07.43 | parsifal_ | I'm all for minimalism |
| 16:07.44 | enouf | parsifal_: /msg dpkg installit |
| 16:07.46 | enouf | :-) |
| 16:07.50 | Maior | parsifal_: see what I mean re minimal systems ;) |
| 16:07.53 | enouf | parsifal_: /msg dpkg sudoers |
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| 16:08.17 | parsifal_ | I don't need to install it; I just think it's funny :P |
| 16:08.29 | enouf | ahh |
| 16:08.32 | omry_ | I got a strange problem with a server (fresh Lenny installation, 2.6.26-1 686) : if I restart the networking, eth0 does not come back online. if I bring it on manually after that it gets back after outputting eth0: link is not ready followed by eth0: link becomes ready . any idea what can cause this behavior? |
| 16:08.36 | stew | enouf: yes. if the output of any query to judd goes over ___ characters it says [More] to which you can say "more" up to 50 times |
| 16:08.50 | enouf | stew: wow - cool - great |
| 16:09.05 | stew | enouf: /msg judd build-dep openoffice.org |
| 16:09.13 | enouf | haha .. no thanks :-p |
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| 16:09.26 | parsifal_ | lol |
| 16:09.30 | enouf | stew: point taken ;-) |
| 16:09.33 | beardy | Does it go over the limit? |
| 16:10.03 | stew | <builddep openoffice.org> ends with "(8 more messages)" |
| 16:11.09 | stew | beardy: 14G /var/lib/postgresql/8.3/ |
| 16:11.54 | beardy | stew: Oh.. :) |
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| 16:12.44 | stew | i'm working on making the dak database contain all the packages information, once that is working i might move it off of udd and on to dak |
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| 16:12.54 | beardy | Cool. |
| 16:13.20 | stew | oh, hmm, but then debian-multimedia and lenny-backports wouldn't be in there |
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| 16:13.52 | beardy | I think.. maybe relaying to judd would be my option.. (i'd ask first if so), instead.. |
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| 16:15.55 | themill | stew: bpo stuff is listed on p.d.o, so is it not in dak somewhere already? |
| 16:16.37 | stew | themill: its not in dak, they have their own dak. same with volatile, but we're talking over volatile, it looks like |
| 16:17.31 | stew | pdo is consuming Packages.gz files afaik |
| 16:17.34 | themill | stew: so p.d.o is fed of some superset database that aggregates from multiple archives. |
| 16:17.46 | RichardBronosky | I've done something weird and now apt thinks I have a bunch of unmet dependencies for everything I try to install. is there a cache I can clear? |
| 16:17.46 | themill | right. So that would be another application of judd :) |
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| 16:18.26 | stew | themill: btw. it appears that udd people feel that importing the entire packages.gz every time is a feature |
| 16:18.30 | Illarane | Hi, is there an openssl development package in apt? openssl-dev doesn't exist, and I can't find anything in apt-cache apart from libcurl3-openssl-dev |
| 16:18.38 | stew | Illarane: libssh-dev |
| 16:18.43 | stew | Illarane: libssl-dev |
| 16:18.51 | Illarane | Figures... |
| 16:18.52 | themill | stew: eww? |
| 16:18.53 | Illarane | Thanks |
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| 16:19.46 | stew | themill: that's at least what I gather from reading through lucas' slides from fosdem, though I haven't watched the talk yet |
| 16:20.08 | jaggz | where's vboxdrv? i updated etch to lenny and virtualbox no longer works |
| 16:20.33 | themill | stew: ahh. I still think some sort of update as opposed to dump+reload would be smart |
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| 16:21.29 | saulus_ | how do I mount a single file (fstab)? |
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| 16:21.45 | stew | saulus_: the file is a filesystem image? or what? |
| 16:21.52 | saulus_ | how do I mount a single file from a filesystem that has already been mounted (fstab)? |
| 16:21.57 | beardy | saulus_: A loopback filesystem? |
| 16:22.03 | Rienzilla | mount -o loop in linux |
| 16:22.05 | stew | saulus_: what does it mean to mount a file? |
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| 16:22.09 | krime | Hi |
| 16:22.10 | saulus_ | no, just a /etc/vimrc or something |
| 16:22.15 | Rienzilla | ... |
| 16:22.23 | Rienzilla | goot luck mounting /etc/vimrc :) |
| 16:22.25 | Bert_2 | Since I did an update yesterday I noticed some strange things, my server is constantly having a high load and is using all of it's CPU, it has a lot of "./ssh 270" processes and they've been called by ./60666 which called sh -i which called /bin/bash ./x 72.249 they're running as the www-data user, what is this ??? |
| 16:22.27 | Rienzilla | good* |
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| 16:22.41 | beardy | saulus_: You don't mount files. What exactly are you tryin g to do with the file, if you "mount" it? |
| 16:22.44 | Maior | Bert_2: sounds like, for want of a better term, you've been 0wned |
| 16:22.47 | saulus_ | i want to distribute my vimrc from the host to the vservers, or the webserver ... |
| 16:22.48 | krime | I deleted an IRCd from my dedicated server using Debian. But looks like it's still running somewhere and I cant see it when I |
| 16:22.52 | krime | ps x |
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| 16:23.08 | Bert_2 | Maior: I already figured that out |
| 16:23.12 | arezey | krime, ps aux |
| 16:23.15 | saulus_ | a link is not enought because of the barrier vservers use |
| 16:23.27 | Maior | Bert_2: "what is this" suggests you hadn't |
| 16:23.45 | beardy | saulus_: Then you need a network file system, by the sounds of it. Or host it somewhere, using something that those machines can reach. |
| 16:23.59 | saulus_ | I want to mount /etc/vimrc /var/lib/vservers/webserver(here begins the barrier)/www/.vimrc |
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| 16:24.09 | Maior | saulus_: bind mount |
| 16:24.13 | Bert_2 | Maior: I hoped it was just a bug in something |
| 16:24.14 | Maior | possibly |
| 16:24.20 | krime | arezey, how can I list all users that has ssh access to the box? |
| 16:24.24 | Maior | saulus_: or a hard link, possibly |
| 16:24.33 | arezey | krime, i dunno |
| 16:24.36 | nicholas__ | anyone here knows how to associate public keys on a per-host basis ? |
| 16:24.37 | Maior | saulus_: (not familiar with "vservers") |
| 16:25.17 | stew | nicholas__: which public keys? what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 16:25.25 | krime | arezey, do you know how can I kill all processes from a specific user? |
| 16:25.31 | Maior | krime: slay |
| 16:25.41 | beardy | saulus_: Not familliar with vservers either, do they have a "host/gues share files" function you can use? |
| 16:25.47 | nicholas__ | stew, I have several keys and every time i need to specify the -i option to set which key use to that host |
| 16:25.54 | krime | bash: slay: command not found |
| 16:25.55 | nicholas__ | stew, in ssh |
| 16:26.04 | arezey | krime, what distro? |
| 16:26.05 | krime | Maior, no such command |
| 16:26.15 | krime | debian linux |
| 16:26.15 | stew | nicholas__: could you just put all the keys in ssh-agent, and let ssh-agent figure out which works for you? (this is what I do) |
| 16:26.23 | Maior | krime: so install it |
| 16:26.30 | arezey | krime, sudo apt-get install slay |
| 16:26.38 | parsifal_ | snap.. is there a way to apt-get remove something and also remove its dependencies (as long as other things don't depend on these things)? |
| 16:26.39 | \amethyst | nicholas__: man ssh_config, look for 'Host' |
| 16:26.47 | nicholas__ | stew, is it permanently or just for the session ? |
| 16:26.53 | arezey | of course he's running debian... forgot that this is not ##linux :P |
| 16:27.03 | saulus_ | I got it: mkdir /foo /bar; touch /foo/foo; touch /bar/bar; mount -o bind /foo/foo /bar/bar - that works fine |
| 16:27.15 | nicholas__ | \amethyst, I'll take a look |
| 16:27.34 | stew | nicholas__: ssh-agent is typically run for one session. if you run a display manager, it is probably already running and "ssh-add" will add keys to it |
| 16:27.42 | Bert_2 | can someone fetch me a command to search the entire filesystem for the file "60666" |
| 16:27.44 | Alcatros | will ./configure.gnu --prefix=/usr , install my new perl over the existing one ? |
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| 16:27.53 | hark | parsifal_: use aptitude instead .. or apt-get autoremove |
| 16:27.55 | arezey | Bert_2, find / -name 60666 |
| 16:28.03 | \amethyst | Alcatros: it will make it so that make install does |
| 16:28.11 | nicholas__ | stew, yeah, I used to do that, I just wanted a permanent way |
| 16:28.18 | enouf | Alcatros: not usually - you should be installing to /usr/local/ .. but ... |
| 16:28.22 | Alcatros | why does my perl --version still tells me than does i got perl 5.8.8? |
| 16:28.28 | krime | Maior, done |
| 16:28.34 | enouf | Alcatros: echo $PATH |
| 16:28.37 | krime | but I used "slay 1001" |
| 16:28.43 | enouf | Alcatros: whereis perl |
| 16:28.45 | krime | But processes are still running |
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| 16:28.48 | Maior | krime: you have a user named "1001"? cute |
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| 16:29.00 | arezey | heh |
| 16:29.06 | krime | I never created that |
| 16:29.09 | krime | :/ |
| 16:29.10 | Alcatros | usr bin perl is the first place it looks |
| 16:29.11 | \amethyst | Alcatros: what does type -p perl say? |
| 16:29.18 | enouf | that's a userid |
| 16:29.22 | Maior | krime: I think you're confused about uids and usernames |
| 16:29.22 | stew | nicholas__: you can specify multiple IdentityFiles in .ssh/ssh_config and those will be tried in order |
| 16:29.25 | Alcatros | usr bin perl |
| 16:29.26 | stew | nicholas__: (man ssh_config) |
| 16:29.39 | \amethyst | Alcatros: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:29.44 | Alcatros | etch.. |
| 16:29.49 | nicholas__ | stew, thanks |
| 16:29.50 | \amethyst | Alcatros: so you still have the Debian version of perl |
| 16:29.52 | enouf | Alcatros: is your / key broke? |
| 16:30.00 | Alcatros | yes 5.8.8 |
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| 16:30.12 | Alcatros | define key ? |
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| 16:30.19 | enouf | ... |
| 16:30.23 | arezey | alcatros, one key, many keys making a keyboard |
| 16:30.28 | \amethyst | Alcatros: if you installed a later version yourself into /usr then upgraded the debian package, you will have overwritten your local version |
| 16:30.46 | \amethyst | Alcatros: that's why local software should generally go in /usr/local/bin |
| 16:30.57 | Alcatros | i would like to upgrade only the perl package to 5.10 but i have no idea how to .. |
| 16:31.08 | themill | Sounds like a fantastic way of destroying your machine. |
| 16:31.23 | enouf | !nuke the machine |
| 16:31.23 | dpkg | fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at the machine |
| 16:31.40 | parsifal_ | hark: good call on aptitude.. been a while since I used this |
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| 16:31.58 | Alcatros | i have to hand in a assignment tomorow, i realized does i have to use perl 5.10 while 5.8.8 doesnt have the functions embeded i need to use.. |
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| 16:32.05 | parsifal_ | I had gnustep confused with windowmaker -- doh |
| 16:32.11 | Alcatros | i need a quick fix right now , i freak out here.. |
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| 16:32.19 | enouf | !confuse parsifal_ |
| 16:32.19 | dpkg | No, them is my mushroom yesterday, parsifal_? pants of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 16:32.28 | parsifal_ | 8| |
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| 16:32.40 | stew | Alcatros: i'd not recommend trying to upgrade the system's perl to 5.10 without moving everything to lenny |
| 16:32.45 | parsifal_ | dangit, windowmaker isn't a package and their site is down |
| 16:32.47 | xlotlu | i wonder what's wrong with nvidia. they're upgrading drivers like crazy |
| 16:32.54 | Alcatros | why stew ? |
| 16:32.58 | \amethyst | Alcatros: either configure it with prefix=/usr/local or upgrade to lenny or install lenny in a chroot |
| 16:33.03 | stew | Alcatros: its very core to your debian system |
| 16:33.08 | enouf | parsifal_: apt-cache search x-window-manager ? |
| 16:33.21 | Maior | parsifal_: wmaker |
| 16:33.23 | omry_ | any idea what could cause an interface to stay down after an /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 16:33.27 | Maior | parsifal_: (apt-cache search windowmaker) |
| 16:33.31 | stew | Alcatros: you could perhaps install another copy of perl in /usr/local or $HOME or /opt or whereever, but don't mess with /usr/bin/perl |
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| 16:33.33 | parsifal_ | Maior: AH! |
| 16:33.42 | stew | Alcatros: or upgrade to lenny which has 5.10 already |
| 16:33.54 | parsifal_ | it seemed rather odd that windowmaker wouldn't be a package :P |
| 16:33.57 | Alcatros | so can i adjust my environment variable so it takes perl from another place for my user? |
| 16:34.01 | parsifal_ | that's right, wmaker is the name of the executable too |
| 16:34.12 | \amethyst | Alcatros: because if something breaks and /usr/bin/perl doesn't work properly, you might not be able to fix the problem using the packaging system, since many parts of the packaging system depend on Perl |
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| 16:34.22 | Bert_2 | say, does the user www-data have a password on debian servers ? |
| 16:34.35 | mib_98pesmhn | hi |
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| 16:34.43 | mib_98pesmhn | I want to ask again, ho |
| 16:34.57 | parsifal_ | startx && wmaker ftw! |
| 16:34.58 | \amethyst | Bert_2: not by default; you can check with getent shadow www-data (as root) |
| 16:35.28 | mib_98pesmhn | My Firefox3 can't print. You advisted mee to install xprint and change the firefox config, but it still crashes. I can't open the print dialog |
| 16:35.31 | Alcatros | ok , i installed perl in /usr (which i know is not the perfect place) so i get it now like #!/usr/perl ? |
| 16:35.40 | Bert_2 | \amethyst: what should I see when it has/hasn't got a password ? |
| 16:36.14 | stew | Alcatros: no, /usr/bin/perl, which would mean you did exactly what I'm recommending you NOT do |
| 16:36.23 | arezey | alcatros, congratulations on destroying your system |
| 16:36.25 | enouf | precisely |
| 16:36.43 | Alcatros | but if i call perl --version it still says 5.8.8 |
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| 16:36.53 | arezey | uhh |
| 16:36.53 | enouf | your env sucks ass |
| 16:36.58 | stew | Alcatros: how exactly did you install it to /usr ? |
| 16:37.14 | Alcatros | ./configure.gnu --prefix=/usr |
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| 16:37.23 | enouf | probably not even using Debian |
| 16:37.30 | Gini | Hi. |
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| 16:37.35 | Gini | I need "help" |
| 16:37.38 | shivraj | dumb debian question here, are they gonna release lenny with all of those bugs ? |
| 16:37.44 | zleap | i am going to try wincrap XP again, |
| 16:37.50 | arezey | you have any idea that if you configure something to be installed into /usr, the binaries go into /usr/bin? |
| 16:37.58 | arezey | alcatros, ^ |
| 16:38.00 | enouf | shivraj: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 16:38.12 | zleap | for some reason the proper nvidia drivers won't work, i remove them, and it goesd back to what i had before, and fixes the webcam support |
| 16:38.16 | Maior | shivraj: what bugs? |
| 16:38.17 | Bert_2 | what's /dev/shm used for ? |
| 16:38.17 | Alcatros | yes ? |
| 16:38.24 | stew | Alcatros: that would configure it to go to /usr/bin/perl but not actually install anything, just configure the source. I'd recommend NOT installing it to /usr |
| 16:38.27 | shivraj | Maior: the release critical bugs |
| 16:38.29 | enouf | shared memory - POSIX crap |
| 16:38.32 | shivraj | there's like 1300 |
| 16:38.36 | arezey | alcatros, you have any idea that if you configure something to be installed into /usr, the binaries go into /usr/bin? |
| 16:38.38 | Maior | Bert_2: tbh, you sound sufficiently 0wned that you want to reinstall |
| 16:38.41 | parsifal_ | man it's been forever since I used wmaker.. |
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| 16:39.22 | Alcatros | no @ arezey , i actually have no clue what i'am doing , @ stew so where would u install it for a temporary installation ? |
| 16:39.39 | Bert_2 | Maior: I found their process, I deleted it, but they came in as a www-data user, but I have no idea how that's possible |
| 16:39.40 | jelly | Alcatros: --prefix=/opt/perl5.10 or /opt/perl |
| 16:39.40 | arezey | thought so... |
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| 16:39.45 | stew | Alcatros: if you have no clue what you are doing, I recommend not doing this at all, and instead upgrade to lenny if you need perl 5.10 |
| 16:39.49 | Maior | Bert_2: running any cgi handlers? |
| 16:39.50 | Tapout | what does the mysql-common_5.1.31-2_all.deb all typically mean? all platforms? |
| 16:39.59 | jelly | Alcatros: why do you need perl 5.10? |
| 16:40.01 | Maior | Alcatros: ~/tmp/perl |
| 16:40.02 | Alcatros | if i upgrade to lenny i get a 0 mark in my perl assignment .. |
| 16:40.09 | Bert_2 | Maior: awstats |
| 16:40.11 | Alcatros | while it is due in 6 hours |
| 16:40.13 | stew | Tapout: yes, a platform independent package that can be installed on any arch without modification |
| 16:40.16 | arezey | huh? |
| 16:40.26 | Maior | Bert_2: that's not a cgi handler, unless I'm incredibly mistaken |
| 16:40.28 | Tapout | thanks stew |
| 16:40.47 | arezey | alcatros, how come the os version affects your assigment grade? |
| 16:40.50 | Bert_2 | Maior: awstats is a perl webapp |
| 16:40.59 | Maior | Bert_2: right, so not a cgi handler |
| 16:41.14 | Maior | but it sounds like you have mod_cgi or mod_perl or similar |
| 16:41.14 | Alcatros | i got 30kb/s and i will need another 3 hours to download this cd you recommend.. |
| 16:41.21 | Bert_2 | Maior: it's the only thing I've got in /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 16:41.30 | arezey | oh.. |
| 16:41.30 | jelly | Alcatros: why do you need perl 5.10? |
| 16:41.39 | Maior | Bert_2: things in cgi-bin aren't cgi handlers |
| 16:41.43 | arezey | jelly, he needs a function only in 5.10 |
| 16:41.44 | Alcatros | because i need to programm a calculator .. |
| 16:41.51 | Bert_2 | Maior: what are cgi handlers then ? |
| 16:41.56 | parsifal_ | okay so this program is complaining that I need the "build and header files" for my kernel. I installed linux-kernel-headers.. what else is there? |
| 16:42.00 | stew | Alcatros: what do you need from 5.10 that isn't available in 5.8? |
| 16:42.02 | Maior | Bert_2: sounds like some cgi lala of yours (possibly awstats) was compromised |
| 16:42.03 | Alcatros | and i want to use statements like eval join($op, pop @stack, pop @stack) if ( $op =~ m{^[-+*/]$} ); |
| 16:42.12 | Alcatros | say ,,, for example.. |
| 16:42.14 | Maior | Bert_2: things like mod_php |
| 16:42.15 | Alcatros | switch .. ect.. |
| 16:42.20 | shivraj | Alcatros: so just get the base system, ... its liek 50 mb |
| 16:42.20 | Maior | ish |
| 16:42.27 | Bert_2 | Maior: I've got plenty of those |
| 16:42.31 | stew | Alcatros: why can't you do those in perl 5.8? |
| 16:42.40 | Alcatros | while i was in the perl channel |
| 16:42.45 | Alcatros | and they all told me to upgrade it .. |
| 16:42.58 | stew | Alcatros: why? |
| 16:42.58 | jelly | Alcatros: of course they would. |
| 16:43.00 | arezey | oh geez |
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| 16:43.11 | Tapout | stew, I did that ssb, everything was created except the libdbd-mysql-perl. If I go to install libdbd-mysql-perl, it wants to force install of mysql-client.. how do you handle this situation? |
| 16:43.11 | jelly | stew: they're upstream. It's SOP! |
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| 16:43.42 | stew | Alcatros: i'd recommend just using the perl you already have. |
| 16:43.59 | Alcatros | i have to write this Polish Notation Reverse Calculator.. |
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| 16:44.19 | jelly | Alcatros: if you have a perl 5.10 tarball, install it in "/opt/perl", or _anywhere_ but /usr. |
| 16:44.25 | Alcatros | so i thougt using given() when() statements... for this.. and thats why i run into all the trouble.. |
| 16:44.31 | Alcatros | yea i am making the thingy.. |
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| 16:44.56 | Alcatros | so the path i write into my perl file will be #!/opt/perl5.10 ? |
| 16:45.16 | jelly | Alcatros: it will be ${prefix}/bin/perl |
| 16:45.18 | Alcatros | atm i use #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 16:45.19 | stew | Tapout: i'd recommend backporting mysql-client as well |
| 16:45.33 | Alcatros | ok .. |
| 16:45.44 | Alcatros | #!/opt/perl5.10/bin/perl |
| 16:45.47 | \amethyst | Sipingal: & |
| 16:45.52 | jelly | Alcatros: right |
| 16:45.54 | \amethyst | Sipingal: doh |
| 16:46.07 | Alcatros | thanks alot for helping me jelly ! :-) |
| 16:46.10 | enouf | Alcatros: and .. for the time being add that to the beginning of your PATH |
| 16:46.26 | enouf | not the binary, but the parent dir |
| 16:46.29 | Alcatros | how would i do this ? |
| 16:46.36 | Alcatros | not does i screw up again.. |
| 16:46.48 | enouf | export PATH="PATH:/other/path" |
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| 16:46.53 | jelly | PATH=/opt/perl5.10/bin:$PATH |
| 16:47.03 | Tapout | i love you stew |
| 16:47.04 | jelly | enouf: uh, you just said "to the beginning" |
| 16:47.16 | enouf | jelly: yes! sorry! |
| 16:47.20 | enouf | i suck |
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| 16:47.36 | Alcatros | thanks ... |
| 16:47.41 | jelly | enouf: good for your partner |
| 16:48.06 | Alcatros | now another wierd thingy ... why i have no directory in /opt/ i was running it with root... and the prefix , make , make install |
| 16:48.06 | enouf | jelly: she is all compliments indeed :-) |
| 16:48.28 | enouf | (wow - that sounded so ... formal - heh) |
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| 16:48.51 | enouf | define it |
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| 16:48.54 | jelly | Alcatros: create it before doing a make install, and inspect the errors make install gives you |
| 16:49.16 | Alcatros | just the main directory ..? or some sub directories as well ? |
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| 16:49.27 | jelly | Alcatros: just the prefix |
| 16:49.56 | kabotage | hey how do i install kde4 on debian lenny? :D |
| 16:50.02 | jelly | stops responding to homework assignment questions now, good luck |
| 16:50.27 | _awe_ | hi, i'm using testing. but i want to install pidgin 2.5 which is not available in testing. how should i proceed? |
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| 16:50.56 | enouf | and how the heck did i not add the $ into $PATH .. i know i typed the $ .. wtf? |
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| 16:51.45 | enouf | kabotage: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 16:52.04 | jelly | _awe_: if it is available in unstable, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:52.14 | stew | not yet |
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| 16:52.52 | jelly | ssb mentions uupdate as well |
| 16:53.08 | jelly | judd: versions pidgn |
| 16:53.08 | judd | jelly: pidgn -- |
| 16:53.10 | jelly | judd: versions pidgin |
| 16:53.10 | judd | jelly: pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.4.3-4 sid: 2.4.3-4 experimental: 2.5.4-1 |
| 16:53.59 | jelly | there, _awe_, you can try making a backport from experimental deb-src using the ssb procedure. |
| 16:54.24 | Tapout | stew |
| 16:54.26 | Tapout | did you hear me? |
| 16:54.33 | Tapout | I said, I love you :) .. nah really, thank you. |
| 16:54.46 | stew | Tapout: :) you're welcome |
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| 16:56.04 | _awe_ | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~thanks jelly |
| 16:56.22 | RobNyc | whats the difference from having sid or unstable in your repository.. samething either or ? |
| 16:56.32 | Bert_2 | Hi, what command should I use to list all directories a specific user owns ? |
| 16:56.43 | stew | RobNyc: no difference. there is a difference for other releases, but not for unstable/sid |
| 16:57.09 | stew | Bert_2: find /somedir -user username |
| 16:57.12 | RobNyc | stew, ty |
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| 16:58.38 | jackweb | Hello. How to change the cursor of the mouse in GNOME? |
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| 16:59.33 | kabotage | hey anyone would like to help me installing kde4 on lenny? |
| 17:00.10 | shivraj | jackweb: I think you have to get a different profile/theme |
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| 17:00.22 | jackweb | I had white cursor, after dist-upgrade it became black. |
| 17:00.30 | jackweb | (probably default in X) |
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| 17:00.58 | jackweb | I would like to have previous - white. :) |
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| 17:01.19 | enouf | jackweb: try update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme perhaps |
| 17:01.36 | jackweb | ok, I'll try |
| 17:01.45 | mne | Hi guys, does anyone use backupninja ? I would like to do encrypted backups to an external harddisk. However, backupninja should only do backups if the external harddisk can be mounted. |
| 17:01.46 | jackweb | as root? |
| 17:02.05 | enouf | yes |
| 17:02.29 | jackweb | 'No alternatives for x-cursor-theme'. :/ |
| 17:02.35 | enouf | mne: you can write a udev rule to automate that |
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| 17:03.19 | enouf | jackweb: oh well - no idea what to do specifically for gnome, maybe gconf-editor |
| 17:03.33 | jackweb | Ok. |
| 17:03.42 | enouf | though i bet there's also a nice GUI thingy thingamajig |
| 17:04.00 | Bert_2 | sorry, but is www-data supposed to own things in /proc/ ? |
| 17:04.01 | mne | enouf, hmm, I would rather like to so a simple check in one of the backup scripts in /etc/backup.d. If the check (backup disk is available and mounted) is ok, the backup can be done, otherwise it aborts |
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| 17:04.41 | enouf | mne: i'd do that with a udev rule |
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| 17:04.50 | enouf | RUN+= |
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| 17:04.56 | jackweb | enouf: and how to change generally, for X? |
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| 17:04.57 | enouf | yourscript that checks |
| 17:05.09 | enouf | jackweb: the first way |
| 17:05.11 | hanibana | hi all :) |
| 17:05.14 | mne | enouf, any what should the udev rule do ? triggering the backup as soon as the backup disk is connected ? |
| 17:05.39 | enouf | triggers a script that checks if it's mounted - and if so, continues |
| 17:05.45 | hanibana | I'm using gnome with Debian Lenny. The annoying thing is that I can NOT select other applications as default in Properties --> "Open with" tab for a file; for example, multimedia files. I can NOT select any of radio buttons! |
| 17:05.58 | enouf | mne: or .. what you just mentioned |
| 17:06.04 | \amethyst | mne: if ! mount | grep -Fq "on /media/backups "; then echo "not mounted"; if ! mount /media/backups; then echo "count not mount"; exit 1; fi; fi |
| 17:06.08 | hanibana | I wondered if there be some plain text config files for such thing of gnome to manipulate them manually. |
| 17:06.18 | hanibana | any idea or experience ?! |
| 17:06.24 | enouf | mne: http://www.cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda and /msg dpkg udev rules |
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| 17:06.51 | mne | enouf, thanks for the link |
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| 17:07.06 | enouf | thank the author ;-) |
| 17:07.13 | mne | hehe |
| 17:07.47 | jackweb | What is that way you have started to describe? :) |
| 17:08.08 | enouf | jackweb: the update-alternatives system |
| 17:08.35 | jackweb | What arguments? |
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| 17:08.51 | mne | \amethyst, thanks. But my problem is rather with backupninja. I would have to include a check like this in each buckup-script in /etc/backup.d. This is not what I want. I would rather like to control backupninja itself. ... Dude, I'm so stupid ;) backupninja is triggered by cron.d anyways. I can just put the check in there :PO |
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| 17:09.12 | enouf | hanibana: i'm guessing - but are you sure you're logged in as regular user, and not some default login? |
| 17:09.27 | Bert_2 | on a standard setup, are you able to login as www-data over SSH on debian or not ? |
| 17:09.32 | enouf | hanibana: also /msg dpkg gnome (and checkout gconf-tool) |
| 17:09.50 | hanibana | enouf: I have a regular user. |
| 17:10.02 | \amethyst | Bert_2: I would not think so, no, unless you have changed www-data's password, or have a /var/www/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 17:10.12 | mne | Bert_2, usually there is no password set for www-data, so you can't login |
| 17:10.34 | mne | Bert_2, I would setup a regular user and do key-based login then |
| 17:10.38 | enouf | hanibana: well, my point being .. perhaps only a registered system user (such as one with /home/username and id of say 1000) can alter those - or try gksu |
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| 17:10.56 | Bert_2 | mne \amethyst: so that means the guys who succeded in 0wning me came through webmin, webalizer, phpmyadmin or some of my apache stuff |
| 17:11.17 | hanibana | enouf: i started naultils as root, but... |
| 17:11.24 | \amethyst | Bert_2: I'd start with webmin |
| 17:11.26 | \amethyst | !webmin |
| 17:11.26 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 17:11.34 | hanibana | enouf: you mean gconf-editor ? |
| 17:11.36 | enouf | hanibana: not too smart |
| 17:11.39 | enouf | yeah |
| 17:11.55 | mne | Bert_2, could be. However, they might also have exploited some (maybe even known) vulnerability in the services you're running |
| 17:12.01 | enouf | i always mixup gconftool2 and gconf-editor |
| 17:12.13 | enouf | what an XML nightmare .. heh |
| 17:12.21 | Maior | with processes running as www-data, I'd be inclined to assume cgi compromise |
| 17:12.24 | Bert_2 | mne: I'm not sure whether they turned up 2 days ago or on friday last week |
| 17:12.38 | hanibana | enouf: what can I do with this gksu ? |
| 17:12.46 | enouf | anything you want |
| 17:12.52 | enouf | know how to read man pages? |
| 17:12.56 | hanibana | enouf: I mean start what with it? |
| 17:13.13 | enouf | whatever you want concerning gnome things |
| 17:13.24 | hanibana | enouf: yes, it's part of our foods! |
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| 17:13.29 | enouf | there's a gksudo as well |
| 17:13.56 | enouf | whacks hanibana upside the head with the feet of gnome |
| 17:13.58 | mne | Bert_2, I would secure all those admin tools on a webserver in a way that they may be only accessed by authorized people. This could be for example a VPN secured access so that admin-users first connect to the VPN and then have access to phpmyadmin, webmin and stuff. At least you could do http authentication before you can login to webmin, phpmyadmin and such |
| 17:14.22 | abrotman | or just be smarter and not use them at all |
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| 17:14.32 | Bert_2 | mne: that's already the case, they must have used a vulnerability |
| 17:14.36 | mne | abrotman, yep ;) |
| 17:14.39 | hanibana | enouf: why whack me :( ;) |
| 17:14.50 | enouf | hanibana: it was a love tap ;-) |
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| 17:14.55 | jackweb | enouf: what arguments am I to run update-alternatives with? |
| 17:15.12 | hanibana | haha |
| 17:15.22 | Bert_2 | mne: I've just updated webmin from 1.410 to 1.450 and I deleted all their junk, but they've used around 28GB or traffic the a************ |
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| 17:15.55 | Bert_2 | mne: but all my stuff uses passwords and SSL, so it has to be a vulnerabilty, right ? |
| 17:15.59 | enouf | jackweb: you're probably not even using debian |
| 17:16.01 | enouf | dpkg: /usr/sbin/update-alternatives |
| 17:16.01 | dpkg | enouf: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:16.04 | Maior | Bert_2: find / -user www-data |
| 17:16.12 | Maior | Bert_2: and have a good look through that |
| 17:16.12 | Paul_E | multiple layers! |
| 17:16.23 | mne | Bert_2, have a look at your websrvers access log. If it was some lame web-based exploit and you're lucky you might find how they got in |
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| 17:16.38 | mne | Bert_2, not neccessarily |
| 17:17.33 | enouf | Bert_2: Rule 1 ; PEBKAC trumps all prior security measures |
| 17:17.39 | Maior | I spend a lot of my time analysing compromises via cgi scripts |
| 17:17.49 | Alcatros | when i type in whereis perl , it gives me a path , if this perl file has a different version (5.8.8) than my version which i get by simply typing perl --version (5.10.0) how can i find out where i left this 5.10.0 perl file ? |
| 17:17.50 | mne | Bert_2, imagine something like phpmyadmin. You might access it over http and phpmyadmin itself required a valid user account as well. However, if some of the phpmyadmin PHP scripts are buggy and one might directly access them (without prior authentication), it might pose a problem. |
| 17:17.55 | stew | enouf: where does having an old version of webmin fit in? |
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| 17:18.04 | enouf | heh |
| 17:18.21 | enouf | i didn't even catch that much of the story |
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| 17:18.36 | stew | ^an old^any |
| 17:18.38 | beardy | He's forked. |
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| 17:18.56 | enouf | it's been a l-o-n-g-winded drawn out s-l-o-w drizzle |
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| 17:19.28 | mne | As Paul_E already said, you get the most out of security by building multiple security layers. So that if one layer is broken, there is still the second security layer and so on |
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| 17:19.54 | Alcatros | somebody has a clue for me ? |
| 17:20.08 | beardy | !cluebat Alcatros |
| 17:20.08 | dpkg | beats Alcatros with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 2! The install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 17:20.11 | valdyn | Alcatros: hash -r; which perl |
| 17:20.15 | parsifal_ | Is there an X command/program for figuring out which resolution is currently being used? |
| 17:20.24 | beardy | (Irresitable, sorry.) |
| 17:20.38 | enouf | parsifal_: xrandr |
| 17:20.45 | mne | xrandr |
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| 17:21.02 | jackweb | Why do you think I'm not using Debian? :D |
| 17:21.15 | Alcatros | thx |
| 17:21.20 | enouf | even xdpyinfo, and glxinfo iirc |
| 17:21.24 | parsifal_ | enouf: *perfect*; thank you |
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| 17:21.57 | enouf | parsifal_: cool - many useful utils listed in /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
| 17:22.13 | beardy | jackweb: Because you didn't read the manual, or tried running it. |
| 17:22.17 | beardy | Probably. |
| 17:22.29 | Alcatros | valdyn: hash -r /pathofperl doesnt give me anything back |
| 17:22.31 | parsifal_ | enouf: neat bot |
| 17:22.40 | enouf | very |
| 17:22.48 | valdyn | Alcatros: who told you to enter that? |
| 17:22.50 | enouf | !dondelelcaro++ |
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| 17:23.17 | beardy | !factoidauthors++ |
| 17:23.41 | enouf | jackweb: because the update-alternatives system is part of dpkg and you seem to have neither available :-P |
| 17:23.43 | Alcatros | valdyn: sorry my fault.. got it |
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| 17:25.35 | jackweb | enouf: I have got Debian testing. |
| 17:25.59 | enouf | jackweb: you're on your way then ;-) |
| 17:26.35 | enouf | jackweb: why are you asking me for arguments/options to update-alternatives? |
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| 17:27.14 | jackweb | enouf: Ok, there is such packages, but I have made a mistake - it is xconfig-themes, not x-config-themes. :) |
| 17:27.26 | enouf | jackweb: if you cursor (and/or theme) is broken .. fix it .. install something missing ;-) |
| 17:27.45 | enouf | ugh |
| 17:28.11 | mns | If I use a USB 2.0 device on a USB 1.1 port, besides maybe getting lower throughput, is there any other thing I would need to watch out for ? |
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| 17:28.33 | beardy | mns: Not that I know no. |
| 17:29.03 | jackweb | enouf: xcursor-themes is not installed yet, so I have to install it. ;) |
| 17:29.09 | beardy | mns: #hardware |
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| 17:29.41 | jackweb | I hope my cursor will be ordinary then. :) |
| 17:29.55 | jackweb | when I install that package |
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| 17:34.08 | enouf | mns: "... maybe getting lower throughput ..." ? rofl :-p |
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| 17:34.50 | enouf | although most HID things don't require 2.0 speeds |
| 17:35.03 | enouf | s/require/utilize |
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| 17:35.22 | jackweb | I have installed xcursor-themes, have restarted X-server, but the cursor is still black and update-alternatives still shows me there are no alternatives for xcursor-themes. :) |
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| 17:36.15 | mne | Hmm, i wonder if someone has destroyed the partition table of a disk how to restore it ;) |
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| 17:37.09 | Tapout | I installed postfix, where do the *.conf.dist files go? |
| 17:37.15 | [ROSEdu]AlexJ | hello |
| 17:37.46 | [ROSEdu]AlexJ | i read that on 14th of feb the final version of lenny is supposed to be released...how official is that? |
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| 17:38.02 | Maior | mne: anything still in /proc/partitions? |
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| 17:39.13 | Glanzmann | What do I use under Lenny to encode wavs to mp3s? |
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| 17:39.23 | Glanzmann | For lame there doesn't seem to be a installation candidate? |
| 17:39.35 | Glanzmann | Is there a apt url that I can put to my apt.sources to get lame? |
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| 17:39.45 | Glanzmann | the programm not the attitude. |
| 17:39.46 | themill | [ROSEdu]AlexJ: /topic |
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| 17:40.11 | enouf | Glanzmann: /msg dplg dmm |
| 17:40.15 | mns | Glanzmann: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main |
| 17:40.19 | mne | Maior, the machine has been down and is not bootable. Also booting into a recovery-cdrom does not show any partitions |
| 17:40.26 | enouf | mns: not if etch :-P |
| 17:40.27 | themill | mns: s/testing/lenny/ |
| 17:40.36 | Glanzmann | mns: Okay, I'm actually an mirror of debian-multimedia. |
| 17:40.36 | enouf | oh crap |
| 17:40.39 | [ROSEdu]AlexJ | the topic only talks about etch :P |
| 17:40.43 | enouf | i suck .. again |
| 17:40.50 | Glanzmann | But I didn't know that they have lenny ready by now. |
| 17:40.58 | themill | [ROSEdu]AlexJ: keep reading past the first 5 words |
| 17:41.13 | Glanzmann | Thanks a lot for the heads-up. |
| 17:41.26 | enouf | mne: /msg dpkg gpart |
| 17:42.03 | [ROSEdu]AlexJ | ok..thanks |
| 17:42.28 | mne | enouf, thanks |
| 17:44.24 | parsifal_ | In the battle of me vs. xorg, I win. |
| 17:44.41 | parsifal_ | Had to increase the amount of VRAM in VirtualBox to enable a higher resolution. Booya |
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| 17:45.38 | parsifal_ | does anyone know of a command-line IM client that supports Jabber/Google Talk? |
| 17:45.49 | mns | themill: I use testing in it only because I will almost always be running testing :) |
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| 17:46.18 | mns | parsifal_: pidgin has a CLI version, not that I remember what its called. |
| 17:46.20 | themill | mns: yes, but others won't. Be careful you don't bugger someone else's box up. |
| 17:46.57 | AliTarihi | Any idea how to get multimedia keys to work? |
| 17:47.01 | AliTarihi | I'm on KDE 4.2 on Lenny |
| 17:47.20 | dutchfish | hi, where can i get info on how Debian (Lenny) handles NUMA on complex memory cache hierarchies and multiple Memory Nodes? |
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| 17:47.47 | parsifal_ | mns: Finch? |
| 17:47.48 | mns | themill: good point. |
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| 17:47.54 | mns | parsifal_: yeah that's it .. |
| 17:48.13 | parsifal_ | wow it does fake windowing and everything |
| 17:48.34 | simonrvn | finch is rather neat |
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| 17:48.42 | mns | I could not get the hang of it so I never used finch much. |
| 17:48.49 | parsifal_ | I dunno if I like the windowing so far |
| 17:49.00 | parsifal_ | I'm tempted to use Bitlbee but I don't think it supports jabber |
| 17:49.08 | parsifal_ | oh it does |
| 17:49.28 | parsifal_ | maybe I'll just use that |
| 17:49.40 | mns | how does one use bitlbee ? |
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| 17:49.53 | parsifal_ | mns: It acts as an IRC server |
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| 17:53.15 | AliTarihi | Any idea how to get multimedia keys to work? |
| 17:53.18 | AliTarihi | I'm on 4.2 on Lenny |
| 17:53.24 | AliTarihi | KDE |
| 17:53.50 | dutchfish | AliTarihi, define "multimedia keys" |
| 17:54.12 | themill | AliTarihi: /msg dpkg kde4 ; /msg dpkg multimedia keys ; /msg dpkg repeat |
| 17:54.29 | mns | parsifal_: can you do multiple accounts with bitlbee ? meaning work with two or three acounts on yahoo .. I've got one for family, one for work, and one for gaming / job hunting / etc ? |
| 17:54.39 | AliTarihi | dutchfish: the Play, Pause, Next, Back |
| 17:54.47 | dutchfish | AliTarihi, ah ok |
| 17:54.50 | parsifal_ | mns: That's a good question; I dunno |
| 17:55.09 | parsifal_ | mns: I think I'm actually not gonna use it tho because it's kind of a pain to use -- you have to do "user: message" to message people |
| 17:55.16 | troythetechguy | I connected client1 to serverA via ssh using the IP address of the server. I found out I can use the hostname instead of the IP address, but when i connect from cleint1 to ServerA using the hostname, I'm asked if I want to accept the RSA again. Becuase I already connected Client1 to ServerA previously, is it normal that I'm asked to accept RSA when using hostname instead of IP address? |
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| 17:55.24 | parsifal_ | mns: It adds people to the channel that represent all your IM buddies |
| 17:56.39 | dutchfish | troythetechguy, ssh keys are stored client side on entity IP is not the same as its hostname |
| 17:56.48 | mns | parsifal_: yeah .. that might not be what I want. :) |
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| 17:57.04 | enouf | dutchfish: well .. it shouldn't handle much different than the kernel.org defaults would .. AFAICT |
| 17:57.39 | parsifal_ | mns: me either :) |
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| 17:57.55 | dutchfish | enouf, i was just curieus if there are any userland tools already, i can make one myself, but just to make sure ... |
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| 17:58.12 | khaleel5000 | ah /join kde-debian |
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| 17:58.30 | dutchfish | enouf, i am delving into latest xen atm: http://www.kernel.org/hg/index.cgi/linux-2.6/rev/a218867f2d50 |
| 17:58.42 | parsifal_ | I ended up installing this "ayttm" IM program |
| 17:58.48 | parsifal_ | has all the features I want and doesn't require frickin GTK |
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| 17:59.32 | dutchfish | enouf, specially cpu set implementation |
| 17:59.38 | enouf | dutchfish: nice ... i'm not aware of anything much other than the numa=fake boot options for the kernel |
| 17:59.55 | dutchfish | enouf, i have my hand atm at real numa systems |
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| 18:00.15 | troythetechguy | dutchfish: Thanks for your explanation. I think I understand, but what does on entity mean? |
| 18:00.33 | parsifal_ | is Firefox 2 still the official Debian version? |
| 18:00.46 | dutchfish | troythetechguy, basically one line in ~/.shh/knownhosts or something like that |
| 18:01.35 | dutchfish | troythetechguy, so a box can have its line for its IP ANF for its hostname (they are not the same) |
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| 18:01.46 | dutchfish | s/ANF/AND |
| 18:01.53 | troythetechguy | dutchfish: Got it! Thank you. |
| 18:01.59 | jelly | parsifal_: yes. 5.0 will have 3. |
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| 18:02.26 | parsifal_ | jelly: okay, thanks |
| 18:02.35 | schasi | hi |
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| 18:03.21 | schasi | can i somehow let vncserver use :0 where there is already something running? It complains and uses :1, but that is not the display i want to connect to |
| 18:03.24 | enouf | dutchfish: nice - shoot a email to the debian-kernel list? |
| 18:03.46 | dutchfish | enouf, not yet, this is still a sandbox (a pretty expensiv eone ....) |
| 18:03.48 | dkr | schasi: use x11nvc |
| 18:04.09 | dkr | except spelled correctly |
| 18:04.23 | dkr | x11vnc -display :0 |
| 18:04.28 | parsifal_ | *gasp* Firefox has forced my hand: I have to install GTK |
| 18:04.28 | dutchfish | enouf, i am still not clear if i go the kvm road yet for this, or decide to use the more conventional xen road |
| 18:04.37 | schasi | dkr: The Problem is that i'm banned to the console on the computer i want to connect to. It does not seem to catch my ctrl+f7 |
| 18:04.54 | dutchfish | enouf, i have to test it both i am afraid |
| 18:05.09 | jelly | schasi: ctrl-alt-f7? |
| 18:05.15 | dkr | schasi: you mean alt+f7? |
| 18:05.19 | stew | "chvt 7" ? |
| 18:05.22 | schasi | dkr: Yes, i do |
| 18:05.29 | dutchfish | enouf, seams like xen is more troublesome in the latest kernels |
| 18:05.31 | schasi | Oh, i cannot log in as well ;-) |
| 18:05.40 | enouf | dutchfish: test test test - ;-) |
| 18:05.41 | Tapout | anyone know the iptables command to block port 25 offhand? I gotta block it cause my postfix is broken and it's bouncing emails |
| 18:05.41 | jelly | stew: not if he can't log in |
| 18:05.48 | dutchfish | enouf, you bet! ;) |
| 18:05.57 | schasi | And everything written is in capital letters, but if i activate shiftlock it is in normal letters... |
| 18:06.14 | enouf | dutchfish: aye - even though most/all of it is in kernel now? kvm is teh clear winner there ;-) |
| 18:06.30 | schasi | i can only log in via ssh atm |
| 18:06.34 | dkr | Tapout: just stop the postfix process? |
| 18:06.40 | dutchfish | enouf, i am also expririmenting with double and quadruple kvm heads as a single workstation |
| 18:06.43 | jelly | Tapout: like, iptables -I INPUT 1 -m tcp -p tcp --dport 25 -m state --state NEW -j REJECT ? |
| 18:07.19 | Tapout | jelly, yea thank you |
| 18:07.26 | Tapout | dkr, i gotta fix it and start/stop ... |
| 18:07.32 | parsifal_ | "iceweasel" |
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| 18:08.14 | sint | hey, how to create a directory writeable for all users with file written into also writeable to all users? |
| 18:08.22 | dutchfish | enouf, so thats why task sheduling and non-uniform access times realted to memory, comes heavely into play (CPU sets) |
| 18:08.25 | enouf | dutchfish: sounds sweet - and highly customizable ;-) |
| 18:08.35 | dutchfish | enouf, yep |
| 18:08.41 | jelly | sint: no simple way. |
| 18:08.43 | enouf | dutchfish: sure, yep |
| 18:08.47 | dutchfish | enouf, distributed computing |
| 18:08.54 | sint | jelly: but there is a way? |
| 18:09.05 | enouf | dutchfish: distcc, i was going to say :-p |
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| 18:09.19 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, but there are alreadybetter examples |
| 18:09.28 | jelly | sint: a user, if they want, can change permissions on their file. Then others cannot write to it (but they might be able to delete it, that's a property of the directory) |
| 18:10.31 | mramish | one question is it possible to get the sane backend fron sid into lenny? |
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| 18:12.09 | sint | jelly: ok, if he change the permissions, but i thats a special case and its ok. but i just want it to be 777 by default for files written into. |
| 18:12.10 | dkr | sint: chmod 4775 dir; chgrp users dir; put all your users in "users" group. :) the 4 in chmod sets the setgid bit, which means files created int eh dir will be group-owned by the same as the dir. hrm, but you have to make sure everyone's umask is 002 so new files they create are also group-writable |
| 18:12.37 | enouf | has a feeling someone is using ntfs or vfat |
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| 18:13.07 | jelly | dkr, sint: make that 2775. |
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| 18:13.16 | dkr | oops, yeah |
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| 18:13.27 | dkr | confused setuid and setgid |
| 18:13.30 | sint | dkr: how to make sure about umask? |
| 18:13.44 | enouf | profile |
| 18:13.52 | mramish | ecasue with sidux my scanner works fine but with lenny it doesnt say anything............... |
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| 18:14.01 | mramish | b |
| 18:14.12 | abrotman | mramish: does it show up in lsusb ? |
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| 18:14.34 | abrotman | the sane stuff is very likely the same version in lenny and sid currently |
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| 18:14.59 | dkr | does the default bash source /etc/profile ? |
| 18:15.16 | abrotman | test it and find out |
| 18:15.20 | phreekbird | howdy |
| 18:15.30 | mramish | dunno because atm iam using mandriva on my desktop and sidux on my main desk but i want to switch to debian on my desktop system |
| 18:15.53 | mramish | sidux on my netbook |
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| 18:16.13 | abrotman | uhm .. so how do you know the lenny one doesn't work ? |
| 18:16.18 | dkr | /etc/skel/.profile:# the default umask is set in /etc/profile |
| 18:16.21 | enouf | dkr: AFAICT, that's where my user umask is set from - i think .bash_profile sources it? or vice-versa or someshit |
| 18:16.30 | dkr | but I don't see anywhere the default .profile or .bashrc source /etc/profile |
| 18:16.43 | abrotman | dkr: the skel stuff is copied to your $HOME on account creation normally |
| 18:16.51 | phreekbird | i got this xgt deb file from xenexpress, is there a way to make that into an iso, so i can throw it on any x86 machine and run the installer, what i really like is the fact that when you install deb on xen, it automagically installs, sets up ssh, xfce, and vnc, ask for some info, and off it goes, what i really want is an iso that will auto do that for me? any ideas? |
| 18:16.52 | dkr | yeah, that's why I looked at that, :) |
| 18:16.52 | mramish | ive used the live system and it doesnt work at all |
| 18:17.27 | abrotman | i'm not sure how up to date the livecd is |
| 18:17.51 | enouf | # the default umask is set in /etc/login.defs |
| 18:18.00 | enouf | #umask 022 |
| 18:18.08 | enouf | in .bash_profile |
| 18:18.20 | mramish | as i said its strange that this sidux thing works and debian lenny doesnt |
| 18:18.45 | mramish | theyre using the same sources |
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| 18:19.01 | enouf | heh # Therefore the use of pam_umask is recommended (Debian package libpam-umask) |
| 18:19.04 | dkr | "--noprofile Do not read either the system-wide startup file /etc/profile or any of the personal initialization files ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, or ~/.profile. By default, bash reads these files when it is invoked as a login shell" |
| 18:19.20 | dkr | so /etc/profile is read by bash itself. doesn't need to be sourced from any of the . files |
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| 18:19.53 | parsifal_ | aghghh I ran ayttm as root so it saved all my configs in /root |
| 18:19.54 | parsifal_ | damnit, haha |
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| 18:21.38 | sint | dkr: so i should change /etc/profile? |
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| 18:22.48 | dkr | sint: well, it's a bit kludgy, but yeah changing to umask 002 instead of umask 022 will make it so that any new files crated will be group writable |
| 18:23.07 | dkr | unless yuor users override the umask themselves. or use tcsh |
| 18:23.11 | dkr | or other shell |
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| 18:23.58 | dkr | anyone see something wrong with changing that default? e.g. a security issue if various daemons are creating things group writable? oh, but this is just for interactive shells |
| 18:25.28 | parsifal_ | so it looks like I can get pidgin, but it's labeled a "backport" -- how exactly does that work? |
| 18:25.46 | Tapout | is there a way I can see the ./configure line for php5-cgi ? |
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| 18:26.07 | sint | dkr: hm, so there are no security issues by changing the umask?! i am still not sure what umask is about ;) |
| 18:26.42 | stew | Tapout: it would be in debian/rules file in the php5 source package |
| 18:27.02 | Tapout | k thanks |
| 18:27.26 | dutchfish | dkr, you can grant write permisions on a directory if it is a save area, but execute rights is a diferent animal! |
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| 18:28.01 | dkr | sint: it's what controls the default permissions of new files you create. if you want files created by your users to be writable by others, that' what you'll need to do. |
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| 18:29.01 | sint | dkr: ya, but i don't want it to be in the whole system. just for on directory. but it seems not possible, right? |
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| 18:29.10 | sint | on -> one |
| 18:29.20 | stew | sint: by default, files are created with "666-umask" permissions, so if umask=002, new files are created with 666-002=664 permissions |
| 18:29.28 | stew | sint: no, not possible. you'd have to use acls |
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| 18:30.05 | dkr | sint: well, that's where the group ownership and setgid bit comes in. if user crates a file owned by them and group owned byt heir private group no one else is in, it doesn't matetr that they crated the fiel group writable. only if they create the file in the dir the the shared group will other people in the group be able to write it |
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| 18:32.03 | dkr | or you could write a cron job that makes everythign in that one dir writable periodically, heh |
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| 18:32.58 | dkr | or you could use a revision control system like sane people that need to have multiple people work on the same files |
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| 18:34.19 | sint | dkr: i think i got it! a directorys gid by default is not "users", isn't it? if i create a directory it always says sint:sint. those directories are not writeable by other users |
| 18:34.43 | sint | or even files |
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| 18:35.15 | Vyrus001 | how do i add a splunk user |
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| 18:35.33 | patrikf | Vyrus001: splunk? |
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| 18:37.28 | yoanis | where i can download linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 from? |
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| 18:38.22 | stew | yoanis: debian no longer ships it. what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:38.34 | yoanis | i'm running kernel version 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 18:38.56 | epsilon | self-compiled? |
| 18:38.58 | yoanis | stew:lenny |
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| 18:39.12 | Vyrus001 | patrikf: splunk... its a logging program |
| 18:39.18 | dkr | sint: right |
| 18:39.23 | epsilon | I thought lenny has .26 |
| 18:40.25 | sint | dkr: ok then, thanks allot!! :) |
| 18:40.26 | stew | yoanis: you should upgrade to 2.6.26-1 then |
| 18:40.26 | sint | dkr: it works! :) |
| 18:40.35 | yoanis | stew: but, is there any place where i can find the package, in case upgrading is not an option |
| 18:40.35 | yoanis | ? |
| 18:40.58 | stew | yoanis: you can look on snapshots.debian.net ; I don't know if they have been updating recently though |
| 18:41.13 | stew | yoanis: note that that kernel has known security problems |
| 18:41.32 | yoanis | stew: noticed |
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| 18:47.36 | yoanis | stew: thanks |
| 18:48.08 | whut | apt-get would install a package that is corrupt (aborted download) no matter what I do. I tried so far apt-get clean, apt-get --purge remove <packagename>, apt-get autoclean. Nothing works. What should I do? |
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| 18:48.30 | stew | whut: apt-get update? |
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| 18:49.40 | whut | stew: Doesn't work either. =( |
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| 18:50.05 | stew | whut: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 18:52.59 | whut | stew: Input: http://rafb.net/p/Ox4yfK29.html |
| 18:53.20 | stew | oh, not debian |
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| 18:53.52 | whut | stew: removing http://rafb.net/p/CBFKNM38.html |
| 18:54.01 | whut | The Input = installing |
| 18:54.12 | hanibana | enouf: I found the solution for that "Properties -> open with" problem. There was a .local folder at home dir that was "rwx" only for root ! I don't know why it was default. The related config file for my problem was .local/share/applications/defaults.list ... |
| 18:54.19 | stew | whut: you should be asking in a medibuntu channel or whatever that is that you are running |
| 18:54.20 | whut | Why? =) |
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| 18:54.35 | whut | stew: They are st00pid. =( |
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| 18:54.43 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 18:54.43 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 18:54.49 | hanibana | enouf: I chmod it and it worked. |
| 18:54.52 | abrotman | then install debian, we do not support debian-based distros here |
| 18:55.01 | stew | whut: sorry, i don't think we're going to be able to help you with that |
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| 19:08.06 | cirzgamanti | hi, how can i see the specs of hardware, like video card etc.? |
| 19:08.29 | stew | cirzgamanti: /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
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| 19:08.44 | parsifal_ | building Firefox 3. Probably a good time to take lunch |
| 19:08.50 | cirzgamanti | thx! |
| 19:09.09 | stew | parsifal_: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 19:09.19 | parsifal_ | er, I'm not building Firefox; I'm building gtk |
| 19:09.23 | parsifal_ | stew: etch |
| 19:09.25 | parsifal_ | stable |
| 19:09.32 | parsifal_ | 4.0r7 |
| 19:09.44 | stew | parsifal_: how are you getting the newer gtk on etch? |
| 19:09.54 | parsifal_ | well it's gtk+-2.10.14 |
| 19:09.56 | parsifal_ | I dunno how new that is |
| 19:10.00 | parsifal_ | I'm just building the sources |
| 19:10.18 | stew | parsifal_: why not just upgrade to lenny, that already has this stuff compiled for you? |
| 19:10.23 | parsifal_ | stew: I did not know about Lenny; I'm new to Debian |
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| 19:10.34 | parsifal_ | oh can I just do apt-get upgrade lenny or something? |
| 19:11.36 | stew | parsifal_: lenny is the version of debian which will become the new stable this weekend. you could upgrade to it: "/msg dpkg lenny release notes" has upgrade instructions in chapter 4 |
| 19:11.50 | parsifal_ | stew: What version would that make it? |
| 19:11.54 | stew | parsifal_: as of saturday, you'll no longer be running "stable" but "oldstable" |
| 19:12.02 | stew | parsifal_: 5.0r0 |
| 19:12.05 | parsifal_ | sheesh, wasn't this one just released? |
| 19:12.12 | parsifal_ | wow, I thought 5.0 was way far off |
| 19:12.13 | stew | parsifal_: it was released in april 2007 |
| 19:12.17 | parsifal_ | well now I look like an idiot! haha |
| 19:12.23 | parsifal_ | oh I guess r7 is kinda new |
| 19:12.24 | stew | parsifal_: no, its 48 hours off |
| 19:12.32 | parsifal_ | exciting |
| 19:12.46 | stew | parsifal_: yes, r7 was released this week, which was security patches for r6 |
| 19:13.02 | parsifal_ | okay |
| 19:13.21 | parsifal_ | well this is just a virtual machine; maybe it'd be easier to just download a new ISO |
| 19:13.43 | parsifal_ | is there an ISO of an RC or something that will become 5.0r0? |
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| 19:14.07 | stew | parsifal_: perhaps. http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer is the installers for lenny. its an rc, but it is the one that will become the first released installer |
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| 19:15.23 | parsifal_ | stew: But worst case scenario, I install RC 2 and do an apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:16.20 | stew | parsifal_: yes |
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| 19:16.26 | parsifal_ | nice |
| 19:16.33 | parsifal_ | thanks for the info |
| 19:16.51 | parsifal_ | time for lunch -- take it eays |
| 19:16.52 | parsifal_ | easy |
| 19:16.54 | stew | the rc2 installer will become the r0 installer with no changes. there will be a handful of packages which will get into lenny before releasing, and you can always upgrade them as you would with a security fix for lenny after it is released |
| 19:17.05 | parsifal_ | oh, great |
| 19:17.10 | osFrenchDude | can you remind me please how to check a disk please |
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| 19:17.18 | parsifal_ | and it already has Firefox 3 and everything ;) |
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| 19:17.49 | stew | parsifal_: it has iceweasel3 which is debian's fork of firefox 3 which is pratically identical except with the non-free artwork replaced |
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| 19:18.04 | parsifal_ | stew: Oh is that why it's called iceweasel? interesting |
| 19:18.10 | parsifal_ | gotta stick to your ideals I spose :) |
| 19:18.13 | stew | parsifal_: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 19:18.42 | parsifal_ | wow that is so bizarre |
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| 19:18.48 | parsifal_ | so it's Firefox, but not officially? |
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| 19:19.01 | stew | parsifal_: mozilla told us we no longer are allowed to use the firefox trademark, becuase we ship modified versions of firefox (modified for non-free artwork, and we provide security fixed) |
| 19:19.11 | stew | *fixes |
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| 19:19.24 | parsifal_ | ahhh |
| 19:19.29 | parsifal_ | you provide your own patches to Firefox? |
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| 19:19.48 | parsifal_ | that's cool.. but I spose they figure they're protecting themselves |
| 19:20.16 | stew | parsifal_: yes, we provide security updates to older versions of software in stable (becuase that's the idea of stable, to not change versions) |
| 19:20.24 | stew | they want us to not support the older versions |
| 19:20.28 | parsifal_ | haha.. good point |
| 19:20.57 | parsifal_ | I can see why this happened then |
| 19:21.24 | parsifal_ | bbl |
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| 19:24.04 | th0ger | My ath0+wifi0 disappeared, how do I get them back? Im running madwifi on apspireOne, and it used to work. ath5k is loaded, and tried to restart services networking+wicd |
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| 19:28.29 | SerajewelKS | th0ger: ath5k is not madwifi, you're thinking of ath_pci |
| 19:28.40 | SerajewelKS | th0ger: did you build the madwifi modules yourself? |
| 19:29.27 | th0ger | SerajewelKS: nope |
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| 19:30.28 | th0ger | ath_pci is also loaded |
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| 19:31.02 | patrikf | th0ger: try rmmod ath_pci; rmmod ath5k; modprobe ath_pci |
| 19:31.08 | patrikf | th0ger: and observe dmesg |
| 19:33.38 | th0ger | dmesg is so quiet |
| 19:33.42 | enouf | th0ger: udevd is running? ls /sys/class/net says? |
| 19:33.55 | firefox | whew.... probably should have just done a clean lenny install... |
| 19:36.10 | th0ger | restarted udev; class/net has eth0 and lo only |
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| 19:40.59 | nexxer | hiyas, is it possible to send CTRL-A commands to a screen session within a screen session? |
| 19:41.49 | stew | nexxer: "ctrl-a a" sends ctrl-a to the screen session inside the screen session |
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| 19:42.25 | avu | (which gets really funny if you have several screens nested inside each other) |
| 19:42.27 | RichardBronosky | stew: true, with the default escape only |
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| 19:42.47 | beardy | Yes, fun fun. |
| 19:42.53 | patrikf | avu: now why on earth would you do that? :D |
| 19:42.56 | stew | sure, otherwise its ctrl-a to send ctrl-a |
| 19:43.02 | beardy | You would. |
| 19:43.10 | beardy | I do, but only two mostly. |
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| 19:43.13 | nexxer | heh |
| 19:43.16 | avu | patrikf, you sound like I'd need a reason |
| 19:43.18 | nexxer | this *is* fun |
| 19:43.26 | nexxer | thanks stew, all |
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| 19:45.44 | nexxer | heh i have to force my fingers to hit "ctrl-a a ctrl-a a" |
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| 19:46.59 | \amethyst | nexxer: I usually use escape ^]^] in my .screenrc, to free ctrl-a |
| 19:47.49 | nexxer | \amethyst, that way ctrl-a always gets sent to the innermost screen? |
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| 19:48.42 | \amethyst | nexxer: that way ctrl-a gets sent through to the application; I don't typically do nested screens |
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| 19:49.04 | nexxer | gotcha |
| 19:49.21 | rohan | why isn't the lenny pool 2 =~ ... factoid working? |
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| 19:49.36 | bohnex | hi, how can i install this on etch? http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/php5-xcache |
| 19:49.46 | themill | rohan: there isn't one |
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| 19:50.03 | themill | dpkg: tell bohnex about bpo |
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| 19:50.21 | patrikf | nexxer: iirc, ctrl-a ctrl-a ctrl-a ctrl-a should do as well |
| 19:50.26 | rohan | themill: 01:16 <dpkg> to add a bet to the lenny pool, /msg dpkg lenny pool 2 =~ --> that's what the "lenny bet" factoid told me |
| 19:50.37 | \amethyst | dpkg, lenny bet =~ s/2/1/ |
| 19:50.37 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 19:50.43 | \amethyst | dpkg, lenny bet =~ s/2/1/ |
| 19:50.55 | \amethyst | dpkg, lenny bet =~ s/2/1/ |
| 19:50.56 | dpkg | OK, \amethyst |
| 19:51.00 | \amethyst | dpkg, lenny bet =~ s/3/2/ |
| 19:51.00 | dpkg | OK, \amethyst |
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| 19:51.20 | themill | it's a bit late to be making bets at this stage! |
| 19:51.24 | \amethyst | heh |
| 19:51.24 | nexxer | patrik i'm happy with ctrl-a a n/p :) |
| 19:51.35 | rohan | themill: heh ok i didn't know that the betting was going on from a long time |
| 19:52.11 | themill | rohan: since etch's release... |
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| 19:52.55 | rohan | hehe ok no point then |
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| 19:53.25 | stew | gpm=2009-02-10 |
| 19:54.26 | themill | !squeeze bet |
| 19:54.26 | dpkg | To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid. |
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| 19:54.39 | themill | rohan: ^^ but feel free to get into the running for squeeze :) |
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| 19:55.05 | rohan | wow it's there already! |
| 19:55.09 | rohan | thanks, themill |
| 19:55.27 | \amethyst | !factinfo squeeze bet |
| 19:55.27 | dpkg | squeeze bet -- created by themill <n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill> 2m 17s ago; it has been requested 3 times, last by rohan, 15s ago. |
| 19:55.31 | \amethyst | :) |
| 19:55.39 | rohan | :D |
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| 20:00.23 | kj4 | hello every buddy |
| 20:00.38 | rizha | hellp , i have troble in debian with ati hd 4670. monitor cannot display it |
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| 20:02.53 | path__ | why suhosin.log.syslog.facility = 9 isnt defined on suhosin.ini ? |
| 20:03.01 | path__ | :/ |
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| 20:04.58 | stew | wow, this vpn i just connected to pushed 409 new routes to me |
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| 20:06.53 | kj4 | lenny/XFCE. adding a directory to ~/Desktop/ and it does not appear on the Desktop. |
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| 20:07.12 | kj4 | happens to both files and directories |
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| 20:07.21 | kj4 | can anyone help? |
| 20:07.22 | dashs | How evil is Adobe Air? |
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| 20:09.38 | jackweb | Hello. Could anybody help me who has got default cursor in GNOME? I would like to know the name of that cursor. |
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| 20:11.07 | cahoot | jackweb: the one defined by: /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme? |
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| 20:12.33 | jackweb | cahoot: OK, thanks. |
| 20:12.42 | bstock | hey, so i've got a dir with ~300,000 files in it. what would be the best way to sort them into folders of say, 10,000? can i write a bash script to do it, or should i use perl/python or something? |
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| 20:15.11 | abrotman | sort them how? |
| 20:15.15 | jackweb | cahoot: I've had to install gnome-themes. It's strange I haven't had it installed, but it's after dist-upgrade. |
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| 20:16.03 | bstock | abrotman: just by the amount of files. like, make a '1' dir and dump first 10k files there, '2' dir for next 10k, etc |
| 20:16.38 | abrotman | bstock: make a file with all the filenames, use split -l 10000 .. write a script to move the contents ? |
| 20:16.57 | elyezer | is there a repo that I could get eclipse 3.4? |
| 20:17.03 | elyezer | dpkg, eclipse |
| 20:17.03 | dpkg | somebody said eclipse was the end of the world, or an extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/ |
| 20:17.18 | abrotman | elyezer: i told you yesterday |
| 20:17.22 | parsifal_ | extensible/expandable |
| 20:17.23 | parsifal_ | haha |
| 20:17.27 | elyezer | abrotman, only downloading? |
| 20:17.49 | elyezer | I'll see the log |
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| 20:18.47 | Yuijin | how to installation ssh and configuration on debian? |
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| 20:19.31 | abrotman | aptitude install openssh-server |
| 20:19.56 | parsifal_ | wow, Debian 5 has a graphical installer. is that new? |
| 20:20.06 | abrotman | yeah .. in 4 |
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| 20:20.11 | parsifal_ | oh |
| 20:20.32 | parsifal_ | I must've skipped it somehow |
| 20:20.45 | sepski | parsifal_, it was not the default selection |
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| 20:21.08 | stew | parsifal_: you didn't miss much. its the exact same process, exact same questions, with nicer fonts |
| 20:21.40 | parsifal_ | stew: I missed out on nicer fonts?? ugh! |
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| 20:22.23 | Yuijin | i connection my local |
| 20:22.41 | Yuijin | 127.0.0.1 |
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| 20:22.57 | elyezer | abrotman, =/ only download |
| 20:23.00 | elyezer | ok thank you |
| 20:23.08 | elyezer | and sorry I don't saw that yesterday |
| 20:23.18 | Yuijin | ssh ex@127.0.0.1 example |
| 20:23.25 | stew | Yuijin: what about it? |
| 20:24.01 | Yuijin | but i dont conneciremote pc |
| 20:24.37 | Yuijin | but i dont connection on remote pc |
| 20:24.57 | stew | !tr |
| 20:24.57 | dpkg | hmm... tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 20:27.05 | elyezer | why lenny don't have the last version of eclipse? There is a why? |
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| 20:29.20 | ntn | ther're still 94 release-critical bugs in lenny (http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/). will we have to wait until that counter reaches 0? |
| 20:29.29 | ntn | or will it be releases with still some bugs in? |
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| 20:29.50 | stew | ntn: it will release with some bugs in |
| 20:29.57 | Yuijin | stew:yes |
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| 20:30.14 | stew | ntn: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html |
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| 20:30.42 | dihymo | is there a kind of sound amplifier plugin for the main sound system - pulseaudio specifically |
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| 20:31.07 | stew | elyezer: when was the last version of eclipse released? |
| 20:31.29 | ntn | thank you |
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| 20:33.35 | elyezer | stew, Archived Release3.3.2Thu, 21 Feb 2008 -- 18:00 (-0500) |
| 20:33.42 | elyezer | it is the 3.3 version |
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| 20:33.50 | elyezer | not the last 3.4 |
| 20:34.04 | Vasistha | I'm trying to set up a network printer that a windows client (actually within virtualbox) can access. At this point windows is able to see the printer, but does not have access to it. I've added uncomfortable insecure anonymous lines into cupsd.conf but still it won't work: http://paste.debian.net/28229/ |
| 20:34.07 | stew | elyezer: i don't know why 3.3 wasn't uploaded then |
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| 20:34.41 | elyezer | stew, can I ask for the upload somewhere? |
| 20:34.47 | Vasistha | dihymo: what are you trying to do? Just pump up the volume, or are you trying to edit a sound file? |
| 20:35.06 | elyezer | the unstable version of debian is not bleeding edge then... |
| 20:35.14 | dihymo | pump up the volume in real time from youtube |
| 20:35.44 | dihymo | unstable is more like there will blood, experimental is no country for old men |
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| 20:36.08 | stew | elyezer: a bug is already filed: http://bugs.debian.org/432350 |
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| 20:36.24 | stew | elyezer: /msg dpkg slushy |
| 20:36.26 | Vasistha | dihymo: well there may be a few different places where volume is adjusted, and if just one of them is turned down then that turns it down. Are you using kde? |
| 20:36.42 | dihymo | gnome |
| 20:36.53 | stew | elyezer: there is no way you will see 3.3 or 3.4 in lenny now that it has been frozen, I'd expect you might see 3.4 in unstable sometime after the release |
| 20:36.57 | dihymo | all systems are up to the limit |
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| 20:37.29 | dihymo | so 2 days to go? |
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| 20:37.56 | Vasistha | dihymo: just to double-check -- you've got both master and PCM turned up? |
| 20:38.15 | dihymo | all up to 11 |
| 20:38.39 | elyezer | stew, undestood |
| 20:38.57 | themill | stew: I think they've been having trouble packaging eclipse and istr there may be one or more MIA maintainers involved. Plus people were busy with openjdk. |
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| 20:39.53 | stew | i recall hearing it was quite a hairy tarball to deal with |
| 20:40.04 | stew | which big java projects often are |
| 20:40.06 | Vasistha | dihymo: And if it's a laptop you've probably got the laptop volume turned up as well. AFAIK you're hitting the limit in terms of what the computer can output. After that you need to get an external amplifier or stronger powered speakers, or if you want to try to do it in software you're getting into the zone of changing the sound file, which you certainly won't be able to do in real-time while watching youtube |
| 20:40.18 | stew | (as you know, i'm sure) |
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| 20:40.43 | themill | stew: quite :) |
| 20:41.11 | Vasistha | dihymo: on youtube you're definitely gonna encounter amateur videos from people that did not have their sound set up well, so the sound in the youtube video file will be very low |
| 20:41.27 | stew | i need to do something with my java itp |
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| 20:41.45 | stew | themill: do you have packages in the archive yet? |
| 20:42.38 | themill | stew: :( |
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| 20:44.52 | jelly-home | Vasistha: [changing the sound file] shouldn't alsa be able to do lots of processing on a stream? |
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| 20:45.54 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to create an alsa sink that writes output to a file and possibly also sends the data to another sink? |
| 20:46.09 | Vasistha | jelly-home: I suppose it should, that's kinda the whole point of alsa, huh? That didn't even occur to me and I don't really know much about alsa. dihymo, you might visit #alsa or some such |
| 20:46.37 | stew | SerajewelKS: the former is possible at lesat, via some .asoundrc magic |
| 20:47.09 | SerajewelKS | stew: hrm, do you know a starting point i can look for docs? google hasn't yielded anything useful in 10 mins. |
| 20:47.32 | Vasistha | dihymo: keep in mind that if you are going to use alsa to adjust gain, it will result in a degradation of sound quality, so this may be something that you'd want to turn on just for a very low-volume video |
| 20:48.41 | stew | SerajewelKS: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html look for "Plugin: file" |
| 20:49.21 | stew | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html#pcm_plugins_file |
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| 20:56.53 | SerajewelKS | stew: awesome, thanks |
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| 20:59.03 | d0uglas | hi. i see on netstat that there is an irc bot on one of my servers. how can I figure out which process it is? |
| 20:59.21 | stew | d0uglas: add -p to the netstat options |
| 20:59.39 | stew | (which requires root to see processes you don't own) |
| 21:00.10 | d0uglas | well, got it .. oslo.no.eu.underne:ircd ESTABLISHED19807/httpd |
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| 21:03.15 | d0uglas | well there it is... ./home/admin2/psybnc/flwd/httpd |
| 21:03.18 | bolt | pastebin.com down?! |
| 21:03.18 | d0uglas | god damnit. |
| 21:03.46 | SerajewelKS | stew: it looks like i can use "pcm.tofile { type file \n slave real-device }" to get what i want |
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| 21:04.01 | stew | SerajewelKS: you, at this point, know more than i do :) |
| 21:04.14 | SerajewelKS | stew: haha, ok. just thought you'd like to know. |
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| 21:04.44 | SerajewelKS | i have messed around with .asoundrc before i just forgot what these device/slave/sink things were called, so google wasn't to helpful |
| 21:04.58 | d0uglas | now how can i figure out what is triggering this httpd program to start on boot? |
| 21:05.12 | Vasistha | ah, solved my cups problem! just went to the cups administration panel, restored the default confid, and checked the box, Share published printers connected to this system |
| 21:05.14 | themill | d0uglas: perhaps a user cron job. |
| 21:06.50 | clars | I wanna install lenny_netboot from an SDcard using unetbootin, under the install_boot I can not detect and mount the "Cd-rom |
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| 21:10.32 | d0uglas | assuming this irc bot was announcing my system was compromised to people on undernet, now that I've found the account and files, if I move them and rename them (failing to find it in cron) am i ... well I'll just reboot |
| 21:10.57 | d0uglas | hope it doesn't recreate itself |
| 21:11.24 | SerajewelKS | hmm, firefox doesn't seem to respect pcm.!default |
| 21:11.38 | themill | d0uglas: if you have a machine that may have been compromised, then you would be better of reinstalling. |
| 21:11.55 | d0uglas | I know that but don't have time for at least another few days |
| 21:12.20 | jelly-home | themill: this is under the assumption he can't figure out how it was compromised |
| 21:12.31 | d0uglas | and reading the .bash_history it is quite clear I was compromised |
| 21:12.38 | d0uglas | possibly something related to roundcube |
| 21:12.53 | SerajewelKS | or flash doesn't anyway |
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| 21:13.25 | themill | jelly-home: assuming that there isn't yet another back door around that you've not yet found isn't a great plan though |
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| 21:14.11 | jelly-home | themill: good thing no one said it was |
| 21:14.24 | d0uglas | could one machine completely saturate a 5mbit connection to the point that it is unusable from someone using my machine to do a dos attack on someone else? |
| 21:14.39 | d0uglas | (saturate it from the inside, blasting data out) |
| 21:15.00 | jester45 | yea |
| 21:15.00 | stew | d0uglas: sure |
| 21:15.44 | jester45 | you can saturate any bandwidth given you have a traget that will use that much and machine that can push that much data |
| 21:15.47 | parsifal_ | does anyone know the default mouse driver for xorg.conf? |
| 21:16.44 | parsifal_ | apparently it's "mouse" |
| 21:16.45 | parsifal_ | hehe |
| 21:16.51 | stew | parsifal_: 'mouse' "man mousedrv" |
| 21:16.56 | enouf | parsifal_: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:17.14 | enouf | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so |
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| 21:17.44 | parsifal_ | I tried copying over my xorg.conf from etch to lenny and for whatever reason it's not respecting my mode lines |
| 21:17.48 | enouf | oh, my bad, you wanted the name for xorg.conf |
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| 21:18.08 | enouf | parsifal_: try running cvt |
| 21:18.11 | parsifal_ | yea |
| 21:18.33 | parsifal_ | Not using mode "1680x1050" (no mode of this name) |
| 21:18.35 | parsifal_ | that's weird.. |
| 21:18.44 | parsifal_ | didn't have a problem in etch |
| 21:18.50 | SerajewelKS | ok, so, if i define a new slave, and i want to make it the default device -- but i want its slave to be the current default, how would i go about that? |
| 21:18.56 | SerajewelKS | right now it's looping on itself |
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| 21:19.11 | bantu_ | Hey good pepple, I got 6.0 and I can't get it to recognise the LAN |
| 21:19.21 | bantu_ | knoppix thaa\t is |
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| 21:19.43 | themill | bantu_: try #knoppix. |
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| 21:20.03 | bantu_ | themill I did |
| 21:20.25 | bantu_ | Believe me I did, I've been waiting for 40 minutes now |
| 21:20.28 | bantu_ | I tried adding the I.P. and what not... |
| 21:20.31 | enouf | parsifal_: might need a DisplaySize set .. |
| 21:21.00 | enouf | parsifal_: see xrandr - the <dual monitors> factoid is informative about it |
| 21:21.12 | parsifal_ | hmm |
| 21:21.18 | themill | bantu_: then try again. Try explaining your problem better. #debian can't help you with a knoppix problem. /msg dpkg ask ; /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 21:21.29 | enouf | SerajewelKS: slave of what? love? |
| 21:21.58 | SerajewelKS | enouf: that's what alsa calls them |
| 21:22.03 | jelly-home | enouf: what would it be looping on? :-| |
| 21:22.06 | enouf | oh |
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| 21:22.39 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i'd guess you do that in a ~/.asoundrc file - or /etc/asound.conf |
| 21:23.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | bantu_, and /msg dpkg knoppix :) |
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| 21:29.29 | nsadmin | people familiar with upstart: can I have it not start things that depend on networking up? |
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| 21:38.38 | parsifal_ | I just went back to etch cuz I know it works |
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| 21:45.13 | MikeH | Evening all |
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| 21:45.33 | MikeH | is there any easy way to take a text file, and rearrange each line alphabetically |
| 21:45.55 | Maior | MikeH: sort |
| 21:45.55 | stew | MikeH: sort < textfile |
| 21:46.08 | MikeH | ie. B\nY\nA would becoming A\nB\nY |
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| 21:46.31 | stew | MikeH: echo -e "B\nY\nA" | sort |
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| 21:47.18 | MikeH | aah lovely |
| 21:47.21 | MikeH | thank you |
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| 21:47.56 | Nombreee | hi there |
| 21:48.02 | Nombreee | debian include kde ? |
| 21:48.08 | Eulex | yes |
| 21:48.10 | Maior | yes |
| 21:48.36 | themill | dpkg: tell Nombreee about install kde |
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| 21:48.38 | Nombreee | i just need the base system with a gui |
| 21:48.44 | Nombreee | sould download the cd1 ? |
| 21:49.08 | dan-ny | good night ;) |
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| 21:49.21 | nsadmin | Nombreee: got networkign? get the netinst, install base then install whatever gui part |
| 21:49.29 | themill | Nombreee: cd1 doesn't contain KDE. There's a kde version of CD1, however or if you will have a network connected, then just use the netinst |
| 21:49.59 | Agiofws | hey guys ... can i connect a new message that arrives in my mail box with a sound ? do i configure that in .procmailrc ? or in muttrc ? |
| 21:50.00 | Nombreee | nice |
| 21:50.06 | parsifal_ | yay for Firefox 3 |
| 21:50.11 | Agiofws | ? |
| 21:50.19 | Agiofws | parsifal_, whats new in ff ? |
| 21:50.33 | nsadmin | Agiofws: g? |
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| 21:51.10 | Agiofws | nsadmin, ? |
| 21:51.31 | nsadmin | nm, dumb joke |
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| 21:55.02 | jaggz | how do I use bluetooth? I ran kdebluetooth and have my adaptor in.. it's recognized as a USB device.. but I don't see any interface to work with it at all |
| 21:55.17 | jaggz | like, set its ID, recognize devices in range, etc. |
| 21:55.33 | jaggz | konquerer in bluetooth:// shows .. blank. |
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| 21:56.52 | parsifal_ | Agiofws: I just wasn't running FF3 before |
| 21:56.59 | Agiofws | ok |
| 21:57.01 | mne | I have huge problems with one of my SATA harddisks: It works for a while but then I get lots of errors like "ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 ..... res 61/04:08:47:08:30/04:00:5b:00:00/e0 Emask 0x1 (device error)" Can you suggest anything ? As soon as the errors occur, the disk is unuseable |
| 21:57.09 | jaggz | oh.. it seems to work now.. hm |
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| 21:57.16 | jaggz | wish me luck |
| 21:58.34 | mne | I already replaced the sata data-cable btw. |
| 21:58.54 | dkr | mne: smartctl can give you more details usually (unless they are completely borked and you can't even get that info from the firmware) |
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| 22:00.31 | mne | dkr, should I query something specific with smartctl ? |
| 22:01.22 | dkr | smartctl -a /dev/whatever will print all the info it can get |
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| 22:01.48 | jaggz | it paired.. not sure what to do now though :) |
| 22:01.58 | mne | dkr, yep. I bought the disk last week. The SMART test is ok (i.e. PASSED) |
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| 22:02.41 | pbn | Hello, how can I tell rdiff-backup --compare to compare only files and *not* directories... thank you... |
| 22:03.12 | mne | dkr, I read something on a similar error here: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=29043 |
| 22:03.38 | mne | dkr, do you think switching to ide-legacy will help ? I guess this would also cause performance issues ? |
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| 22:05.07 | dkr | mne: I don't know. I wouldn't think so. the fact that it work s awhile and then errors makes me think it might not be a driver issue |
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| 22:06.07 | niere | mne: are there any errors in the SMART error log? the command to see it is smartctl -l error /dev/name |
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| 22:08.28 | niere | mne: and since the error is occuring after some time, you might check the temperature of the disk. can you read its SMART values after the errors occurred, or is it completely unusable after that? |
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| 22:10.26 | firefox | just upgraded etch to lenny, having opengl issues. could be I am just not using the right command... before dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg gave me the option to choose a driver.. now it doesnt... |
| 22:10.50 | mne | dkr, to me it seems like the error occurs when I start writing large amounts of data to the disk. |
| 22:10.51 | mne | niere, there are: http://rafb.net/p/BsLHVy43.html |
| 22:10.55 | mne | niere, should I bring back the disk to my reseller ? Is it a disk firmware issue ? |
| 22:10.59 | mne | niere, after a while the disk becomes useable again |
| 22:11.05 | mne | niere, temperature is about 30°C |
| 22:11.13 | mne | this is the full SMART output if you're interested: http://rafb.net/p/laCrCv87.html |
| 22:11.35 | Zambezi | If I have a serious suggestion to the dev's, which is the best way to mention it? |
| 22:12.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps a wishlist bugreport? |
| 22:12.26 | Eulex | mne, check the cable, also try it in another computer if possible |
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| 22:12.53 | Eulex | by check the cable I mean check whether it is correctly connected in both ends, and try another one if possible |
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| 22:13.04 | mne | Eulex, I already replaced the cable without success |
| 22:13.09 | Eulex | ok |
| 22:13.35 | niere | mne: well, the SMART values all look fine, but you might want to run a selftest (-t long), just to be sure. do you have other disks on a similar controller (i.e. using the same driver) in this machine? |
| 22:14.12 | niere | Eulex: i'd say cabling errors are very unlikely |
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| 22:14.42 | Eulex | Niamor, yes, I agree |
| 22:14.42 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: Cause when I installed with netinstall, the mirror went down during installation. So I would like to have two repos, the second commented. Sounds good? |
| 22:14.46 | mne | I'm running a short disk self-test now, maybe I get some interesting results. Anyway, the disk has errors in its error logs, I guess that should not be the case for a completely new disk |
| 22:15.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, I thought you can choose mirrors during the netinstall? |
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| 22:15.58 | niere | mne: well, that one error in the SMART log looks pretty bogus, if you ask me |
| 22:16.18 | niere | mne: i wouldn't give it too much thought, but then again, perhaps it's a sign... |
| 22:16.30 | mne | niere, yes, there is another (hitachi) disk on the same controller which works just fine |
| 22:16.44 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: I can and it worked well, but during download, the mirror went down so the download stopped working. |
| 22:17.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, I see... that's a rather unlikely event, though :) |
| 22:17.15 | niere | mne: ok, so it really comes down to the disk failing somehow |
| 22:17.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mom |
| 22:18.21 | mne | niere, I wonder if setting the disk to the slower 1.5Gbps transfer mode would help |
| 22:18.21 | mne | niere, the (short) selftest completed without error |
| 22:18.27 | mne | I will try a long self-test later |
| 22:18.51 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: I was unlucky I guess. And I couldn't an alternate source. I had to abort, but it worked out well. |
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| 22:19.12 | niere | mne: have you watched the time it takes for the disk to fail? maybe there's a hint if it always takes (about) the same time. or maybe there's alot of i/o going on when the failure happens? |
| 22:19.22 | mne | niere, yep. I've been searching the web for hours now, but I'm really not sure why it doesn't work. On the linux-ata site I read that there are some samsung disks that have firmware issues. But my disk isn't listed |
| 22:19.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, feedback on the installation process is welcome... or so I read :) - I'm just trying to find the page |
| 22:19.56 | niere | mne: you can have the selftest run while the disk is in use - it might be slowed down a bit, but you can use the disk just as usual |
| 22:20.06 | mne | niere, If I copy some large file to the disk (e.g. 5GB) it takes about 30 sec until the errors occur |
| 22:20.24 | mne | niere, ok, I'm starting a long self-test then |
| 22:20.37 | niere | mne: then i'd try the same with the slower transfer mode, and look if it's the same then |
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| 22:21.13 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: There was another problem with RC2 so I need to report that bug too. |
| 22:21.42 | niere | mne: this kinda looks like a firmware bug to me, so the SMART results might not help. but running a test doesn't hurt, anyway ;) |
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| 22:24.05 | mne | niere, I'll give that a try. I guess I need to set the 1.5Gbps jumper on the disk since there is no way to do that in software, right ? |
| 22:24.05 | mne | Also, my sata controller supports AHCI (I think it is called like that). Should I enable it ? |
| 22:24.07 | mne | niere, I also looked for a firmware update, but could not find anything. It seems that samsung doesn't offer harddisk firmware updates at all |
| 22:25.23 | niere | mne: perhaps you can set the transfer mode in some samsung disk utility (probably via some dos boot floppy/cd) |
| 22:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, hm, can't find what I remember - only found this http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#mailing-list |
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| 22:26.38 | niere | mne: and do enable ahci, if it does not make the other disks on that controller unusable somehow |
| 22:26.52 | niere | (it shouldn't but you never know...) |
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| 22:28.35 | mne | niere, right, I remember that there was such a tool on the samsung website |
| 22:28.35 | mne | I guess the best would be to just bring the disk back to the reseller and take another one. The hitachi disk seems to work fine |
| 22:28.39 | mne | niere, with ahci enabled the same error occurs. The other disks work without issues |
| 22:28.43 | mne | I even get read errors now. Could that be caused by the SMART long-tets ? |
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| 22:29.15 | niere | mne: i guess |
| 22:29.39 | niere | mne: if you can bring the disk back, i'd go for it ;) |
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| 22:31.29 | mne | niere, yep, I think in a long-term view this will be the least painful way. Unfortunately, I already have 400Gb of data on the disk :( But I have backups |
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| 22:31.57 | riot | is the proprietary nvidia-glx driver unable to rotate screens? |
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| 22:34.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! there it is |
| 22:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html#submit-bug |
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| 22:46.09 | parsifal_ | ah, finally all my work is done |
| 22:46.17 | parsifal_ | now I can screw around with my new Debian install, hee |
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| 22:46.29 | julian | can anyone reccommend a cli application, in Etch, suitable for pairing bluetooth devices? it seems bluepin and bluez-pin no longer exist. |
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| 22:46.37 | prxtien | hey all, anyone get vlc 0.9.x working on etch? |
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| 22:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | they don't? |
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| 22:48.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | julian, bluez-utils? (also, /msg dpkg bluetooth ) |
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| 22:50.45 | alexfranci | hello! i have some problems with a raid1. i have a partition (hda6) full of data. i would like to create a new raid array with that partition and sda6: so my datas can be in raid1.how can i do? |
| 22:50.51 | julian | CutMeOwnThroat: bluez-pin used to be part of bluez-utils. this is why i ask. |
| 22:51.02 | alexfranci | i don't want to erase my hda6 partition... |
| 22:51.09 | julian | nonetheless i'll msg dpkg about it, cheers |
| 22:52.31 | enouf | alexfranci: before anything, make backups of all your data |
| 22:52.47 | alexfranci | enouf, do i risk to loose something? |
| 22:52.53 | alexfranci | i can't backup data |
| 22:52.56 | enouf | alexfranci: are you using any raid or lvm or dmraid now? |
| 22:52.57 | alexfranci | i have no room |
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| 22:53.05 | alexfranci | no |
| 22:53.05 | enouf | alexfranci: yes |
| 22:54.01 | alexfranci | enouf, i have hda6 (on use) and sda6 (free) |
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| 22:54.07 | alexfranci | how can i do? |
| 22:54.09 | enouf | alexfranci: whenever one messes with partitions/file systems/raids etc - there's always a risk - some things more than others |
| 22:54.13 | [1]Win34Hunt | hello |
| 22:54.19 | alexfranci | copy all the datas to sda6? |
| 22:54.25 | alexfranci | and then work on hda6? |
| 22:54.31 | alexfranci | it's a backup... |
| 22:54.56 | [1]Win34Hunt | alexfranci is a son of a whore |
| 22:54.57 | Kalleos | hi, Ive just downloaded VLC and want to play a mkv file in H264 format. It doesnt work |
| 22:55.02 | Kalleos | how can I make it to work? |
| 22:55.04 | enouf | alexfranci: install mdadm and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm - and man pages - use zless to view the .gz files, or do like i did, and gunzip them all |
| 22:55.12 | Kalleos | do i have to install a codec? which? |
| 22:55.22 | julian | notes wiki.debian.org is timing out. |
| 22:55.38 | [1]Win34Hunt | hei alex |
| 22:55.43 | alexfranci | thank you... |
| 22:55.59 | [1]Win34Hunt | is really? |
| 22:56.04 | alexfranci | [1]Win34Hunt, what? |
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| 22:57.03 | enouf | [1]Win34Hunt: what's your problem? |
| 22:57.08 | abrotman | [1]Win34Hunt: do you have a debian related question ? |
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| 22:57.22 | [1]Win34Hunt | no abort |
| 22:57.28 | abrotman | no what? |
| 22:57.46 | abrotman | [1]Win34Hunt: so you're just here to cause problems? |
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| 22:58.08 | [1]Win34Hunt | bye |
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| 22:58.16 | abrotman | thanks for stoping in |
| 22:58.18 | abrotman | stopping |
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| 22:58.27 | [1]Win34Hunt | alex you is a son..... |
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| 22:58.42 | alexfranci | thank you abrotman |
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| 22:58.54 | dan_p | ooops |
| 22:58.56 | abrotman | eh .. wrong ban .. |
| 22:59.26 | zzattack | hi, im experiencing a gigantic performance fall when there's a lot of disk io. what can I do about that? |
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| 23:00.30 | alexfranci | enouf, if i create the raid with my sda6 (free now), format it and then copy all the data to it... then switch and add the hda6 partition to the array. what do u think? |
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| 23:01.43 | enouf | alexfranci: no |
| 23:01.53 | alexfranci | why not? |
| 23:02.12 | enouf | abrotman: thanks |
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| 23:03.52 | enouf | abrotman: because you obviously haven't read 10. and 10b. from file:///usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.recipes |
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| 23:04.46 | abrotman | enouf: not me |
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| 23:04.57 | enouf | abrotman: right |
| 23:05.07 | abrotman | alexfranci: see enouf's url |
| 23:05.08 | enouf | alexfranci: see my last comment |
| 23:05.14 | alexfranci | k |
| 23:06.06 | alexfranci | enouf, :D is what i said |
| 23:06.08 | alexfranci | thank you however |
| 23:06.11 | alexfranci | is it safe? |
| 23:06.16 | alexfranci | have i to backup? |
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| 23:07.22 | zzattack | any of you have any idea about what I just asked? pc becoming unworkably slow on lots of disk io? |
| 23:07.24 | niere | zzattack: (taking a wild guess) get more (dedicated) disk controllers |
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| 23:07.41 | peterm | hi |
| 23:07.45 | zzattack | niere: im planning on doing that, however i feel this is still somewhat software related |
| 23:07.46 | enouf | alexfranci: yes, make backups PRIOR - read the friggin thing - you can't use 10 so easily if hda6 is your '/' FS ... then look at 10b and what it says about safety and backups! |
| 23:07.48 | peterm | how can i restart a tty device? |
| 23:07.57 | alexfranci | enouf, ok |
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| 23:08.10 | peterm | i can't log out because it tty1 doesn't react but tty2 does |
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| 23:08.18 | enouf | peterm: hrm ... one of tput? or is it telinit |
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| 23:08.57 | peterm | enouf, sorry i don't know :-( i just want to be able to log in on tty1 again. can i force somebody to log out? |
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| 23:09.04 | peterm | like kill <uid> |
| 23:09.40 | Maior | peterm: kill the sshd |
| 23:09.48 | Maior | *login process / whatever |
| 23:10.05 | peterm | Maior, which is the default login process? |
| 23:10.23 | zzattack | niere: it's so bad, when I extract 4 archives at the same time all masquerading starts to fail |
| 23:10.49 | niere | alexfranci: take care when you copy your old data to the new partition; the suggested tar usage from the recipes file will e.g. not copy extended attributes (afaik) |
| 23:11.05 | niere | zzattack: hm, strange |
| 23:11.07 | zzattack | niere: I logged using vmstad during unrarring several archives: http://zzattack.org/vmstat.log |
| 23:11.09 | enouf | telinit -q will reread /etc/inittab which should respawn all the TTYs, but don't count on it behaving exactly like that - you can use many things to kill a User - slay, skill, kill, .. |
| 23:11.21 | alexfranci | niere, extended attributes as? |
| 23:11.55 | niere | alexfranci: as in `getfattr <filename>` |
| 23:12.08 | enouf | alexfranci: dont worry so much about extended attr - worry if your hda6 is / and note the --one-filesystem tar option |
| 23:12.10 | niere | alexfranci: but if you don't know what it is, it's probably not going to be a problem ;) |
| 23:12.30 | alexfranci | i've decided not to create the raid |
| 23:12.35 | alexfranci | i have no room to make backup |
| 23:12.42 | alexfranci | 350GB of datas :D |
| 23:12.44 | alexfranci | no room |
| 23:12.51 | enouf | alexfranci: then use sda6 as storage/backup ;-) |
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| 23:13.28 | enouf | and invest in more HDDs ;-) |
| 23:13.56 | alexfranci | enouf, can u be more clear please? i should use sda6 as temporary backup for hda6 |
| 23:14.02 | alexfranci | do 10. for hda6 |
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| 23:14.08 | alexfranci | and then add sda6 to the array? |
| 23:14.23 | enouf | alexfranci: sure - if your data is important to you - you should always have backups |
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| 23:14.34 | enouf | alexfranci: no |
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| 23:14.52 | alexfranci | enouf, no? so what do u mean for "then use sda6 as storage/backup ;-)" |
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| 23:15.34 | enouf | alexfranci: " i should use sda6 as temporary backup for hda6" != " do 10. for hda6 .. and then add sda6 to the array?" |
| 23:15.43 | stoned | yo |
| 23:15.57 | niere | zzattack: the stats look like your "data lines" are too small (or your disks too slow) |
| 23:16.06 | enouf | alexfranci: it means, man rsync, man tar, man gz, man cp, etc etc |
| 23:16.35 | enouf | stoned: yo .. mah homeslice |
| 23:16.47 | zzattack | niere: the disk is pretty fast, hold on i'll run hdparm. can I do something about these data lines? |
| 23:17.16 | alexfranci | enouf, i am not a n00b. "" i should use sda6 as temporary backup for hda6"" -> cp -a /dev/hda6 /dev/sda6. create degraded array for hda6. then add sda6 to the array. if something goes wrong, i will use the backup of sda6 |
| 23:17.31 | alexfranci | i meant that |
| 23:18.33 | niere | zzattack: so you're only using this one disk (and not e.g. copying from this to another, which is on the same IDE cable (if IDE))? |
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| 23:18.57 | zzattack | niere: sata, un unrarring is from one disk to the same disk indeed |
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| 23:19.34 | icebrain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:20.36 | Kalleos | Ive installed VLC and cant play h264 .mkv video files. Do I have to install an additional codec separately? |
| 23:20.53 | niere | alexfranci: why don't you keep all the original data on hda6, and create the degraded array on sda6, copy the stuff over, reboot (to see that it works) and then (if it does) add hda6 to the array? |
| 23:21.27 | alexfranci | niere, yes it could be a solution. what do u thing enouf? |
| 23:21.28 | niere | but icebrain is right, that's all rather not debian-specific |
| 23:21.33 | alexfranci | *think |
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| 23:22.43 | icebrain | niere: I'm right, but I wasn't trying to be, I was really trying to join #linux :D |
| 23:22.55 | DexterF | hi |
| 23:23.27 | DexterF | so, etch-lenny upgrade - as usual? alter sources, dist-upgrade? tripwires? |
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| 23:24.02 | niere | icebrain: hehe |
| 23:24.45 | DexterF | duh, topic, nvm |
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| 23:32.10 | DexterF | how long will there be sec updates for etch once lenny is released? |
| 23:32.57 | Kalleos | is there a way to look up the graphiccard my notebook uses? |
| 23:33.06 | Kalleos | a tool or something? |
| 23:33.17 | simNIX | lspci ? |
| 23:33.38 | icebrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.40 | icebrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.41 | Kalleos | lol year |
| 23:33.44 | icebrain | sorry! |
| 23:33.49 | simNIX | np :) |
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| 23:34.37 | Kalleos | GeForce4 420 Go - did the debian installation automatically get a good driver for it? |
| 23:34.54 | icebrain | I have the disk like this: [__free__[**ext3**]], I want to extend the partition to use the whole space, but if I simply resize it the superblock will be at the middle of the partition. How can I move the FS to the start of the partition when I resize it? |
| 23:34.56 | Kalleos | or should everyone get a driver by himself |
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| 23:35.01 | simNIX | isnt geforce nvidia ? |
| 23:35.03 | DexterF | 5 years ago #debian elders would have gone with torches and forks after you for this ;) |
| 23:35.07 | Kalleos | right |
| 23:35.14 | zinx | icebrain: parted / gparted |
| 23:35.20 | simNIX | debian Etch or Lenny ? |
| 23:35.25 | Kalleos | etch |
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| 23:35.36 | niere | icebrain: if the filesystem is small enough that you can move it completetly to a new partition in the free space, you can extend it afterwards |
| 23:35.48 | simNIX | On Lenny I got in repositor a legacey nvidia |
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| 23:36.06 | simNIX | I recomend search with synaptic for geforce |
| 23:36.07 | niere | icebrain: extending is (afaik) only possible at the end of a partition/filesystem |
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| 23:36.22 | zinx | niere: parted will extend/move it anywhere |
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| 23:36.32 | icebrain | zinx: even the FS? |
| 23:36.36 | zinx | icebrain: yes. |
| 23:36.41 | DexterF | Kalleos: only 2d drivers for nvidia. not really too hot. you might want the closed src drivers from nv unless you're a free as in free speech type. |
| 23:36.44 | icebrain | zinx: ok, thanks |
| 23:37.34 | zinx | icebrain: you will need to use a live cd / etc if it's a partition that's in use (i.e., your /) |
| 23:37.45 | zinx | icebrain: but that goes for whatever method you decide to use |
| 23:38.00 | icebrain | zinx: it's /home, so I can unmount if I log as root |
| 23:38.10 | niere | zinx: not if it's lvm, but well... ;) |
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| 23:38.54 | Sepho | hi all |
| 23:38.55 | enouf | Ian_Daniher|XO: be very careful when messing with logicals and the ext'd partition (if any) |
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| 23:39.08 | Sepho | anybody uses aterm? I've a problem :( |
| 23:39.10 | enouf | er icebrain i meant, not Ian_Daniher|XO |
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| 23:40.43 | enouf | icebrain: do yourself a small flavor - man sfdisk (see -d option) use it for each partition's boot sector - maybe even dd the 1st 64 or so sectors |
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| 23:43.42 | stoned | zinx, hi |
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| 23:43.54 | stoned | Sepho, ask |
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| 23:45.03 | zzattack2 | niere: any idea about these data lines? |
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| 23:48.07 | niere | zzattack2: no, i'm pretty clueless. since it's sata, it cannot be a pio-mode-problem. and even with that wait and system cpu cycles your system should not be that strained |
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| 23:54.19 | Muffin | ...can anybody recommend an opposite of libpam-mysql? I want mysql to authenticate based on /etc/shadow, while libpam-mysql allows system authentication based on a mysql db... |
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| 23:58.07 | LooieENG | anyone ever used cfv? |
| 23:58.50 | zzattack2 | niere: any advice as to what I should do? |
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