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| 00:02.11 | niere | LooieENG: yes. ask your question ;) |
| 00:02.36 | niere | zzattack2: no, sorry |
| 00:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | niere, you contradict the bot!! |
| 00:02.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone ever used cfv? |
| 00:03.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 00:03.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is sleeping |
| 00:03.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, wake up! |
| 00:03.08 | dpkg | cutmeownthroat: I'm already awake! :) |
| 00:03.15 | LooieENG | I have a folder, then other folders inside, each with a .sfv file in, what's the command to check them all? I tried -h but it didn't really make sense |
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| 00:03.46 | LooieENG | I tried this, cfv -rf folder, cfv -rf folder/* and cfv -rf folder/*.sfv <- none worked |
| 00:03.48 | niere | CutMeOwnThroat: okok ;) |
| 00:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I really meant... |
| 00:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use cfv |
| 00:04.05 | dpkg | No, no one uses cfv, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:04.17 | niere | hehe |
| 00:04.19 | LooieENG | o.O |
| 00:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | he cleverly asked with the wrong syntax |
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| 00:05.53 | ChrisW | hi all, how can I force-sync time to an ntp server on mydebian box? |
| 00:05.58 | niere | LooieENG: i'm not sure, but a no-brainer would be find . -name '*.sfv' -exec cfv -f {} \; |
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| 00:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisW, I normally use (the outdated) ntpdate script for that... (need to stop ntp though) |
| 00:06.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | pretty sure there's a way to do it with ntpd itself as well |
| 00:07.05 | LooieENG | ooo, that worked, thanks. now I just need to figure out how to turn those into some nice results with PHP :/ |
| 00:07.05 | ChrisW | well, is there a package I can aptitude install that will just ,magically keep my system's time correct? |
| 00:07.34 | ChrisW | as for ntpdate, what's a good server to use? |
| 00:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, dpkg of course knows |
| 00:07.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ntpdate |
| 00:07.54 | dpkg | methinks ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. |
| 00:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | for general use, use ntp |
| 00:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can /msg dpkg ntp for that |
| 00:10.06 | ChrisW | heh, funnilly enough it was the windows box that was out |
| 00:10.18 | ChrisW | I ht the "update now" button and it wound its time back 2 minutes... |
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| 00:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... |
| 00:11.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | niere, there's no cfv factoid yet (hint, hint) |
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| 00:13.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, cfv is a file checksum creator and verifier. It supports sfv, sfvmd5, csv, csv2, csv4, md5, bsdmd5, torrent and crc files and has test-only support for par and par2 files. |
| 00:13.46 | dpkg | okay, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | feel free to improve on that :) |
| 00:16.16 | niere | CutMeOwnThroat: looks reasonable ;) |
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| 00:17.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just a condensed form of the package info |
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| 00:18.51 | niere | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, but from my experience i wouldn't know what else to add ;) |
| 00:18.57 | zzattack2 | can I use VLC 0.9.8 or 0.9.6 with lenny? there seems to be a lot of dependency problems |
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| 00:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions vlc |
| 00:24.40 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 sid: 0.8.6.h-5 experimental: 0.9.8a-1 |
| 00:26.42 | zzattack2 | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah i've seen that but I can't install the experimental one |
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| 00:27.21 | zzattack2 | appearently the dependent libcucul0 version isnt available |
| 00:27.30 | zzattack2 | only for sid |
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| 00:53.50 | mns | Does Debian have anything similar to Jumpstart or Kickstart ? |
| 00:55.00 | sebbs | mns: explain more |
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| 00:55.49 | sebbs | you mean like for sun? |
| 00:56.05 | mns | sebbs: yes like jumpstart from Sun and Kickstart from RedHat ? |
| 00:57.07 | sebbs | i dont know acctually i have not used in a while |
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| 00:57.27 | mns | I'm thinking of introducing Debian into the mix at work, but I need automated install capabilities. |
| 00:57.37 | sebbs | apt ? |
| 00:57.58 | mns | so that all the servers are installed exactly the same each time. |
| 00:58.13 | sebbs | hmm you could do that in many ways |
| 00:58.35 | sebbs | i would think compiling jumpstart would be easiest since you seem to know it |
| 00:58.46 | sebbs | if its not in the repo |
| 00:59.10 | sebbs | i dont know ive not used debian for a while i only use it at work atm |
| 00:59.28 | mns | Is Jumpstart from Sun available as source ? I wasn't aware of that ? |
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| 01:00.05 | sebbs | i heard they where going to opensource, perhaps this was only for java not all their software/ |
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| 01:00.59 | sebbs | http://woozle.org/~mfisk/tips/lisa.html |
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| 01:01.56 | sebbs | i dont know very much about this, so i cannot say, perhaps waiting a while until somebody more experience in this field is a good idea. |
| 01:02.18 | sebbs | *comes along |
| 01:04.06 | sebbs | time to go home, hope you get more help mns |
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| 01:09.28 | madmaxmad | Hey guys anyone around to help me out with a problem with a user account |
| 01:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | zzattack2, well, so? Are you saying you're trying to install an experimental package without unstable in your repros? |
| 01:11.32 | adama_ | madmaxmad: axe away |
| 01:11.44 | madmaxmad | i have a user that i changed the password. but now when i ssh into the box i enter the password and it says permission denied |
| 01:12.01 | madmaxmad | even tho i know its the proper password |
| 01:12.26 | adama_ | does it work with a local login? |
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| 01:12.36 | madmaxmad | cant |
| 01:12.45 | simNIX | waht does auth log say ? |
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| 01:15.41 | madmaxmad | its telling me invalid password for the user |
| 01:16.18 | adama_ | try setting it again as root like passwd username |
| 01:16.29 | madmaxmad | thats how ive done it |
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| 01:17.07 | adama_ | does "su - username" work? |
| 01:17.38 | adama_ | i e log you in as that user |
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| 01:18.03 | madmaxmad | oh |
| 01:18.08 | madmaxmad | i wonder |
| 01:18.29 | madmaxmad | i think i know now |
| 01:18.40 | simNIX | if you cat /etc/passwd|grep thatuser |
| 01:18.54 | simNIX | does it show a set shell at the enT ? |
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| 01:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mns, look at tasksel |
| 01:19.56 | madmaxmad | ok i think what happend was i usually have someone else help me with config work |
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| 01:20.09 | madmaxmad | and i beleive that he may have disabled ssh access for this user |
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| 01:20.57 | madmaxmad | Feb 12 20:18:51 cl-t165-060cl sshd[32547]: User psybnc from s01060016b62a9b30.ed.shawcable.net not allowed because listed in DenyUsers |
| 01:20.57 | madmaxmad | Feb 12 20:18:51 cl-t165-060cl sshd[32547]: Failed none for invalid user psybnc from 68.150.133.17 port 60724 ssh2 |
| 01:20.57 | madmaxmad | Feb 12 20:18:54 cl-t165-060cl sshd[32547]: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=s01060016b62a9b30.ed.shawcable.net user=psybnc |
| 01:20.57 | madmaxmad | Feb 12 20:18:55 cl-t165-060cl sshd[32547]: Failed password for invalid user psybnc from 68.150.133.17 port 60724 ssh2 |
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| 01:21.15 | madmaxmad | sorry |
| 01:21.34 | liable | look in your sshd.conf |
| 01:21.42 | liable | for denyusers |
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| 01:22.30 | madmaxmad | bah |
| 01:22.38 | madmaxmad | he did do that |
| 01:22.40 | madmaxmad | :/ |
| 01:22.42 | mns | CutMeOwnThroat: ok will do thanks. Although FAI seems to be what I am looking for. |
| 01:23.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | mns, ah, that might be even closer :) |
| 01:23.22 | madmaxmad | if i comment out that line i should be ok right? |
| 01:23.38 | mns | Yeah it does seem to be. This is great. |
| 01:23.43 | adama_ | madmaxmad: try it |
| 01:24.20 | madmaxmad | how do i restart the sshd to take that change? |
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| 01:24.59 | andylockran | /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 01:25.01 | simNIX | mns, I do auto install like here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 01:25.03 | adama_ | madmaxmad: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
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| 01:25.35 | madmaxmad | thank you guys |
| 01:25.45 | madmaxmad | makes mental note to beat up buddy' |
| 01:26.06 | Doonz | few |
| 01:26.14 | Doonz | is madmaxmad |
| 01:26.18 | _2 | is there any configuration tool for xorg that can search/setup modelines ? |
| 01:27.05 | simNIX | mns -> example http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/example-preseed.txt |
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| 01:28.45 | Westies | Hi all. The kernel driver for my NIC doesn't seem to work when my computer is turned on with a cat5 cable plugged in, but if I let it boot first and then plug in the cable it's fine. I'm assuming installing the drivers from the realtek site will fix this, but do I have to blacklist the kernel driver before installing it? |
| 01:29.13 | Westies | The PC is headless and I'm accessing it via ssh, so I'd like to be sure I don't mess it up to avoid having to haul out a monitor :p |
| 01:29.18 | simNIX | mns -> I pxe boot the files here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 01:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, videogen, x11-xserver-utils? |
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| 01:30.29 | _2 | fetching. |
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| 01:31.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, hah, yeah - xvidtune in x11-xserver-utils... but that only helps finetuning position |
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| 01:32.44 | mns | simNIX: Thanks. That sounds interesting too, but FAI lets me work with whatever OS I want, or at least Linux and Solaris anyway. |
| 01:33.04 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat i need something that can generate a working xorg.conf |
| 01:33.38 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat well "need" is imprecise. i am looking for... |
| 01:35.29 | mydrmeix | I do all this crazy stuff with new distros like edit xorg.conf in a X enviroment |
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| 01:37.43 | _2 | well i may have to hand edit xorg.conf but i'm not sure how to set it up for "maybe this monitor and maybe that one..." but i know that the default is useless. |
| 01:38.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | xorg in lenny doesn't need an xorg.conf anymore |
| 01:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's all autodetected |
| 01:38.20 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat it needs one if it's going to work |
| 01:38.38 | _2 | or should i say it autodetects incorrectly |
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| 01:39.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !drxx |
| 01:39.24 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 01:39.36 | _2 | useless |
| 01:40.17 | _2 | i tried that early on it generates a non-functional and almost empty xorg.conf |
| 01:40.23 | dondelelcaro | _2: you shouldn't need to touch xorg.conf in almost all cases |
| 01:40.35 | dondelelcaro | _2: when you do, it usually means it's a bug (or you've got a very complicated setup) |
| 01:40.50 | _2 | dondelelcaro then this must be complicated setup |
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| 01:41.16 | dondelelcaro | _2: what chipset is this? what monitor is plugged in? why do you think you need modelines? |
| 01:41.43 | _2 | dondelelcaro debian lenny on a toshiba satalite a135 all ati chip'd |
| 01:42.05 | _2 | dondelelcaro monitor is a dell crt |
| 01:42.15 | dondelelcaro | _2: and does the internal display work at all with the default configuration? |
| 01:42.23 | _2 | dondelelcaro yes. |
| 01:42.38 | dondelelcaro | _2: what is the output of xrandr; |
| 01:43.12 | _2 | i guess you want me to startx before i run that ? |
| 01:43.23 | dondelelcaro | that's kind of necessary, yes |
| 01:43.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 01:44.17 | _2 | http://pastebin.com/f7a1750db |
| 01:44.32 | dondelelcaro | in any event, once you see the xrandr output, you'll do something like xrandr --output FOO --auto --left-of BAR; where FOO is probably something like VGA, and bar is something like LVDS |
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| 01:45.00 | _2 | ? |
| 01:45.17 | dondelelcaro | _2: so what do you want to have happen? A larger display? or what? |
| 01:45.21 | K_Dallas | Q: If I am not mistaken OOo3 is not going to be in the coming Lenny. Is there a serious problem in OOo3 that neither ubuntu nor Debian is including it? Thanks |
| 01:45.31 | _2 | dondelelcaro a display that i can SEE |
| 01:45.36 | dondelelcaro | _2: if you want a single large display, run xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto --left-of LVDS; |
| 01:46.10 | _2 | dondelelcaro i jsut want it to output to the crt that is plugged in. |
| 01:46.10 | dondelelcaro | _2: right now you're driving both monitors at 1024x768, and presumably they're in mirror mode |
| 01:46.25 | _2 | but neither is working |
| 01:46.41 | toobaz1 | hello... I'm searching for something that does on pdf files what mpage does on ps: merge several pages in a single one. pdftk doesn't do it, and I searched a lot with no chance. Any hint? |
| 01:47.05 | dondelelcaro | _2: then run xrandr --output VGA-0 --off; xrandr --output LVDS --auto; and at least get the LVDS working. |
| 01:47.18 | dondelelcaro | toobaz1: uh... pdftk certainly does it |
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| 01:47.35 | dondelelcaro | toobaz1: man pdftk; and read about cat |
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| 01:48.45 | toobaz1 | dondelelcaro: no, unfortunately it doesn't. I repeat: I need several pages on a single one (not several files on a single one) |
| 01:48.45 | Klaz168 | hi, my apt sources.list file is missing, can someone give me Etch's sources.list file? |
| 01:48.48 | dondelelcaro | toobaz1: if you mean that you want it to do n-up printing, that's a different story. Try a2ps -2 foo.pdf; |
| 01:48.56 | _2 | dondelelcaro ran your command, it turned both the lcd and the crt off |
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| 01:49.28 | dondelelcaro | 17:46:25 <_2> but neither is working <-- does not compute --> 17:48:56 <_2> dondelelcaro ran your command, it turned both the lcd and the crt off |
| 01:49.34 | Klaz168 | or where can i find it? (I tried searching google.. no luck). |
| 01:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | toobaz1 pdfjoin? |
| 01:49.47 | _2 | dondelelcaro and ? |
| 01:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | toobaz1, oh, *pages* that's pdfnup, then |
| 01:49.59 | dondelelcaro | _2: if the monitors aren't working, they can't be turned off. |
| 01:50.43 | dondelelcaro | _2: you'll help whoever is going to help you next if you try to be as accurate with your statements as possible. Best of luck. |
| 01:50.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Klaz168, /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 01:50.50 | _2 | dondelelcaro what are you not understanding ? it wasn't the monitors that were not working it was xorg's output to the monitors that was gittery gobeldegook. |
| 01:50.58 | Klaz168 | CutMeOwnThroat, ty |
| 01:52.31 | Klaz168 | CutMeOwnThroat, that didnt give me a list! |
| 01:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Klaz168, sources.list are always hand-made |
| 01:53.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you need only 2 entries and this tells you how they look like |
| 01:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | what else do you need? |
| 01:53.21 | _2 | dondelelcaro heh. it strickes me odd that you can't understand that a monitor/display can be both not working and on... but what is more amazing is that if you specify one command and it doesn't do what you wanted it to do. you get mad at the user. :/ |
| 01:53.39 | Klaz168 | CutMeOwnThroat, o ok. i shud stop being lazy then x.x |
| 01:53.48 | toobaz1 | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you very much, pdfnup it is what I needed... but it depends on 100 MB of latex install! Since I need something to be called from a program of mine, and don't want it to depend on all that stuff, do you have any other idea, possibly even hackish? Otherwise I'll go through ps and back. |
| 01:54.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it also gives you /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 01:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see how you can ask for more |
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| 01:56.30 | pyrohotdog | 'alsactl restore' failed with error message ..... how does one fix this? It's irritating to run alsaconf after ever reboot. |
| 01:57.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian scripts already run that for you afaik |
| 01:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | toobaz1, well, I used to use latex anyway... but pdfnup really, really works well, I want to add |
| 01:58.56 | _2 | so anyone have a clue how to configure xorg so it might work correctly for a plugged in crt on a laptop ? |
| 01:59.07 | toobaz1 | CutMeOwnThroat: OK, I will try to provide both possibilities. Thank you very much for help. |
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| 02:11.50 | pyrohotdog | How do I configure alsa properly so it restores on reboot? |
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| 02:18.55 | at0m|c | pyrohotdog: alsactl store |
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| 02:21.24 | at0m|c | pyrohotdog: i see you seem to be having problems with "restore", maybe try #alsa ? |
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| 02:22.06 | nachox | what is the recommended HA software for debian? |
| 02:22.45 | Deiz | With two monitors (And TwinView), fullscreen applications take both. Is there a way around this? |
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| 02:27.36 | pyrohotdog | at0m|c: thanks, will do |
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| 02:30.31 | H2S04 | I just installed debian with debootstrap and everything is working properly except for my keymap in X11, in a plain tty my alt keys perform normally but in X my alt keys act like dead keys. I've set the locales and everything else I could think of. Plain US english keyboard. |
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| 02:42.59 | xoz_ | H2S04: what desktop manager? |
| 02:43.05 | xoz_ | or window manager? |
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| 02:44.32 | H2S04 | Xmonad. |
| 02:45.08 | H2S04 | it worked before when I did an install with the regular install cd. So I know it's a configuration problem. |
| 02:45.15 | H2S04 | I'm just not sure _where_. |
| 02:45.34 | H2S04 | I supposed I could try adding a kbd entry to xorg.conf, but I've not had to do that in the past. |
| 02:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | xorg.conf, yeah |
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| 02:46.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | in Section "InputDevice" |
| 02:46.31 | Tapout | is there a way to enable .. aptitude search <whatever> to show the package versions? I hate having to do; apt-cache showpkg <package> |
| 02:47.02 | H2S04 | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah but I know there's a setting somewhere else. |
| 02:47.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, no, but apt-cache madison XXX |
| 02:48.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, "probably no" - I don't know of any, that is |
| 02:48.43 | Tapout | madison eh, checking.. thx |
| 02:49.03 | Tapout | oh sweet |
| 02:49.25 | Tapout | ya cause i backported (ssb'd) the mysql 5.1.31 from experimental .. and one of the packages has an update today, wanted to see why |
| 02:49.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, actually aptitude -F "format" can do pretty much anything it seems |
| 02:50.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | --->This corresponds to the configuration option Aptitude::CmdLine::Package-Display-Format |
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| 02:50.42 | enouf | Tapout: apt-show-versions ? |
| 02:50.51 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, aptitude dist-upgrade is trying to update: libdbd-mysql-perl | 4.007-1 |
| 02:51.03 | xoz_ | H2S04: man xmodmap |
| 02:51.04 | Tapout | but the weird thing is, dpkg -l | grep -i libdbd-mysql .. shows that it's the same version |
| 02:51.06 | Tapout | any idea on that? |
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| 02:51.28 | xoz_ | H2S04: and man xev |
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| 02:51.52 | enouf | man setxkbmap? |
| 02:52.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, if anything in the package information differs from what you have installed, the repository has precedence |
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| 02:53.55 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, how do you handle that tho>? |
| 02:54.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno :) |
| 02:54.08 | Tapout | I had to backport the libdbd-* |
| 02:54.15 | Tapout | ok |
| 02:54.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | handle what? |
| 02:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought the -F |
| 02:54.48 | Tapout | well, dpkg wanting to overwrite the 'experimental' version for the lenny version |
| 02:54.50 | gewt | !rube-goldberg-install |
| 02:54.56 | gewt | o.0 |
| 02:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | spaces... |
| 02:55.05 | gewt | oh |
| 02:55.10 | gewt | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:55.10 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 02:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and he's not installing, just breaking the system with experimental |
| 02:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | packages |
| 02:55.36 | Tapout | hehe |
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| 02:55.41 | Tapout | not really breaking, it worked ;) |
| 02:55.55 | Tapout | i had no choice but to get 5.1.31 on this box, for replication sakes |
| 02:56.09 | enouf | see why what? read the changelogs |
| 02:56.27 | gewt | hm |
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| 02:56.36 | gewt | my P1 won't boot from floppy or cd |
| 02:56.42 | gewt | but it has a network card. |
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| 02:56.50 | enouf | gewt: mine boots from both |
| 02:56.59 | gewt | and I don't have a punch card reader or a dot-matrix printer. |
| 02:57.10 | gewt | it only boots from HDD |
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| 02:57.28 | enouf | mine also has a 10/100 pci nic, but it ain't ever going to boot from it |
| 02:57.51 | gewt | i xan only boot from hdd. |
| 02:57.54 | Tapout | i just let the upgrade go, done :) |
| 02:58.10 | gewt | how could I possibly install debian on it? |
| 02:58.10 | enouf | i doubt that |
| 02:58.12 | Tapout | is it possible that .. lenny is faster than etch? For some reason, everything is faster |
| 02:58.20 | enouf | you broke your floppy? :-p |
| 02:58.22 | Tapout | noticeably different |
| 02:58.26 | gewt | enouf, i don't have a floppy drive with the right pinout |
| 02:58.33 | enouf | ... |
| 02:58.40 | mydrmeix | itll call u home |
| 02:58.48 | gewt | it's so old it uses a weird connector pinout. |
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| 02:59.23 | JW | Hey someone please explain this: http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2009021001335NWDBRL "RandR 1.2 support on . . . (autodetection of available modes, dynamic resizing, placing and rotating of outputs), but no multiple displays anymore " |
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| 02:59.39 | enouf | http://goodbye-windows.com is for you gewt |
| 02:59.41 | JW | What does "no multiple displays anymore " really mean? They can't ber serious |
| 03:00.06 | gewt | it has windows 98 on it. |
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| 03:00.32 | enouf | i bet it's ~1.2GB drive too - or less |
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| 03:00.59 | gewt | enouf, 4.55GB |
| 03:01.03 | gewt | -5 |
| 03:01.08 | enouf | mine boots into win98 desktop in under 20 seconds O_o |
| 03:01.36 | gewt | wtf!? |
| 03:01.54 | enouf | wt4x wtf!? |
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| 03:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, -0.45 |
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| 03:07.57 | gewt | 42. |
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| 03:08.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you asked 4.55-5 ... |
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| 03:09.22 | gewt | lo |
| 03:09.40 | gewt | it's a 4.5GB drive |
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| 03:10.06 | mydrmeix | so I got a ultrasparc 333 its as loud as a airplane |
| 03:10.08 | zach__ | hi all. i'm sort of new with *nix, but i just installed the most basic debianeeepc and it's telling me "-bash: sudo: command not found" what's up with that? |
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| 03:10.36 | gewt | intall sudo. |
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| 03:11.08 | zach__ | like with "sudo apt-get install sudo"? |
| 03:11.15 | souldier | ive been getting random connection resets will connection to my ftp server |
| 03:11.30 | mydrmeix | zach__ basic doesnt have sudo |
| 03:12.00 | mydrmeix | try su (clap yo hands) run apt-get as root and exit |
| 03:12.31 | mydrmeix | and then hitup astalavista's securing su and ping and all that |
| 03:13.16 | mydrmeix | tho they took it off millw0rm so I dont know where to find it other than my hard drive |
| 03:13.46 | zach__ | ah okay i'm a few steps behind |
| 03:13.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | mydrmeix, that's normally the high-performance 2GB harddisk |
| 03:14.09 | zach__ | ...currently trying to figure out how to login to my root account |
| 03:14.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | loud == shows it's powerful :) |
| 03:14.21 | mydrmeix | zach__ "su" |
| 03:14.50 | zach__ | mydrmeix: ah! so that's what clap your hands was all about |
| 03:15.18 | mydrmeix | clap yo fingers for luck |
| 03:15.28 | simonrvn | snap |
| 03:16.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, need some help with that spine of yours? |
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| 03:17.03 | timido | Hey guy's |
| 03:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey gal |
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| 03:17.17 | timido | lol gal |
| 03:17.23 | pl4yer0ne | afternoon all |
| 03:17.23 | timido | that's funny |
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| 03:17.31 | timido | afternoon pl4yer0ne |
| 03:17.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, who knows |
| 03:18.58 | zach__ | anyone know how to check disk space from the command line? |
| 03:19.05 | mydrmeix | df |
| 03:19.12 | timido | zach__ man df |
| 03:19.12 | zach__ | ha cool |
| 03:19.14 | zach__ | ah |
| 03:19.16 | zach__ | thx |
| 03:19.21 | xoz_ | zach__: df -h |
| 03:19.25 | gewt | ehy isn't tit du? |
| 03:19.32 | gewt | du shoudl check disk usage. |
| 03:19.34 | gewt | or does it... |
| 03:19.41 | mydrmeix | disk free? |
| 03:19.47 | xoz_ | gewt: du is for dirs not partitions |
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| 03:21.32 | pl4yer0ne | has anyone used jungle disk on debian? |
| 03:23.34 | xoz_ | goes to the jungle to get his disk |
| 03:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks of wooden intersections cut out of trees on the term jungle disk |
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| 03:25.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, interesting |
| 03:26.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | pl4yer0ne, is that 15cent/timeframe or 15 cent one-time payment |
| 03:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 03:26.40 | pl4yer0ne | 15c p/month |
| 03:26.40 | timido | !lart CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:26.41 | dpkg | pries CutMeOwnThroat's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:26.49 | ameyer | heh, jungledick |
| 03:26.56 | ameyer | oh wait... |
| 03:27.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !timido |
| 03:27.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmao |
| 03:27.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
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| 03:27.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, ignore timido |
| 03:27.37 | dpkg | sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, timido" |
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| 03:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 03:27.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | xD |
| 03:28.24 | xbj_A21m | anyone familiar with live-helper? |
| 03:28.31 | xbj_A21m | hello by the way :p |
| 03:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | we call them lifeguards... |
| 03:28.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or psychiatrists? |
| 03:29.10 | enouf | MS Bob? |
| 03:30.07 | timido | xbj_A21m live-helper?? |
| 03:30.10 | timido | is that a win app |
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| 03:30.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, too expensive - that's $15 for 100gb - $150 for 1TB and you get a 1TB external harddrive for $130 |
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| 03:30.30 | dmoerner | timido, no, it builds live images from debian |
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| 03:31.40 | bullgard4 | enouf: [Technical English] What does mean "given a pathname for a file" in man 2 open? Does it exactly mean "You need to put in a pathname in the C function 'int open(const char *pathname, int flags);' in order that the C function open returns the associated file descriptor for the file whose path I have put in? Or what does "Given a pathname for a file" mean exactly here? |
| 03:31.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that means if you get 1TB worth of data somehow, you can buy a new additional 1TB disk every month at the same price |
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| 03:37.02 | xbj_A21m | timido why would I ask about windows apps in here |
| 03:37.11 | xbj_A21m | it's a tool to build a live Debian CD |
| 03:37.25 | enouf | bullgard4: good question - i can't say - if nobody replies try ##kernel, or ##c related channels? i'm going to presume that since pathname is underlined, it's meant very generally - since there are all sorts of types of files, and exceptions to what they can do |
| 03:38.11 | xoz_ | bullgard4: pathname means, path leading to the file. |
| 03:38.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | xbj_A21m, you'd be AMAZED what people ask in here |
| 03:38.57 | xbj_A21m | no I wouldn't :p |
| 03:39.03 | enouf | xoz_: so, nothing more than 'path to file'? |
| 03:39.07 | xbj_A21m | but I dunno why you'd assume it was a windows app |
| 03:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didnt :) |
| 03:39.22 | bullgard4 | xoz_: I know that " pathname" means 'path leading to the file'. But I have put a diffeerent question. |
| 03:39.25 | xoz_ | enouf: it is, give me a direction to locate the file |
| 03:39.38 | xbj_A21m | anyway I made one iso with it, then ran lh_build again to do some more modifying in the chroot but it won't build a new iso now |
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| 03:40.06 | xoz_ | bullgard4: the file descriptor and the file should point to the same thing |
| 03:40.13 | enouf | xoz_: ahh .. so more like an 'action to take'? |
| 03:40.22 | xoz_ | enouf: yep. |
| 03:40.29 | xoz_ | enouf: in this case, open it. |
| 03:40.47 | xoz_ | and return a pointer |
| 03:40.58 | xoz_ | so that i can manipulate it |
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| 03:47.36 | H2S04 | enouf, apparently my keymap was fine it was Xterm causing the problems :P |
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| 03:49.04 | H2S04 | enouf, xterm*eightBitInput: false fixed my problems :P |
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| 03:50.37 | enouf | H2S04: 16bit ftw! |
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| 03:51.09 | bullgard4 | enouf: A helpful person in ##c affirmed that my interpretation of the phrase "given a pathname for a file" in man 2 open is correct. -- So thank you very much for your help. |
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| 03:52.37 | enouf | bullgard4: very nice ... (note; xoz_ was a bit helpful as well - to me anyway) |
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| 03:54.33 | bullgard4 | enouf: Yes, but not very much to me. Probably because the native language of both of you is English. |
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| 03:56.10 | ferret_0567 | how do I control the mouse using the keyboard under GNOME? |
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| 03:57.31 | bsulzer | goodday ev'ryone. how can i take a snapshot of my current system? |
| 03:57.52 | bsulzer | it'd be very handy if it would be a .vdi... |
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| 04:02.15 | ferret_0567 | nvm |
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| 04:04.47 | spx2 | if an atexit handler is employed will it still be executed even if some signal is cuaght that terminates the program ? |
| 04:07.49 | \amethyst | spx2: from the manpage: |
| 04:08.00 | \amethyst | spx2: Functions registered using atexit() (and on_exit(3)) are not called if a process terminates abnormally because of the delivery of a signal. |
| 04:08.14 | spx2 | \amethyst: hmm |
| 04:08.21 | spx2 | \amethyst: that seems pretty clear :) |
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| 04:08.28 | \amethyst | if you catch the signal and exit in the handler, that would work |
| 04:12.43 | Stanlin | how to see what apps are launched at booting time? |
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| 04:25.21 | f | hi, i dont know if this is a debian question, but i have a network and i have 2 debian boxes on it, i got a new router today, and i can connect to internet from both machines, but i cannot ping the machines anylonger. (it worked with my old router) perhaps this is a router issue, i dont know how to resolve this. i would appriciate any help. |
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| 04:26.15 | dashs | Is there a twitter client that can be built and is functional on etch? |
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| 04:40.45 | georgina | I appear to be lacking repos even though apt-get/aptitude update execute with no errors. |
| 04:40.50 | simonrvn | !tell dashs -about ssb |
| 04:41.45 | georgina | My sources.list currently has one uncommented line which is the default Debian security server for Lenny. |
| 04:42.01 | simonrvn | you need more than that |
| 04:42.06 | georgina | Aptitude tells me I have 143 updates |
| 04:42.12 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 04:42.12 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 04:42.12 | georgina | But won't let me do the upgrade |
| 04:42.36 | georgina | !netselect-apt |
| 04:42.36 | dpkg | netselect takes a bunch of servers and uses multiple pings + traceroute to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you (choose the best mirror), or see http://students.washington.edu/eeyem/software/netsel.pl for a quickie perl script to pick the best debian mirror, or netselect-apt will find the fastest debian mirror and write a sources.list file for you!. Ask me about <netselect.etch> |
| 04:43.13 | puff | georgina: Ah... The light dawns. |
| 04:43.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need at least one lenny main repro |
| 04:43.30 | georgina | It has "main" written on the end |
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| 04:43.38 | georgina | updates main |
| 04:43.44 | puff | georgina: I think the thing is, the security repo is for critical security patches. Those, by themselves, arne't sufficient to upgrade. |
| 04:43.48 | simonrvn | yes, but like you said, you only have security |
| 04:43.51 | puff | georgina: At least, that would be my guess. |
| 04:44.09 | georgina | k, can you grab me an Aussie mirror? I'm lacking a browse |
| 04:44.11 | georgina | browser* |
| 04:44.22 | puff | georgina: E.g. to upgrade you need not only the security updates but updates to all of the other packages that didn't have security problems. |
| 04:44.29 | streuner_ | the link is dead for netse |
| 04:44.31 | simonrvn | typing one out, moment |
| 04:44.34 | streuner_ | the link is dead for netselect |
| 04:44.35 | puff | plays with gnuplot. Whee. |
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| 04:44.58 | georgina | I managed to kill my entire base system last week. :p |
| 04:45.01 | streuner_ | !factinfo netselect-apt |
| 04:45.01 | dpkg | netselect-apt -- created by gsimmons <~gsimmons@CPE-124-181-241-167.vic.bigpond.net.au> at Tue Dec 25 10:26:40 2007 (415 days); it has been requested 23 times, last by georgina, 2m 25s ago. |
| 04:45.06 | simonrvn | deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free # and deb-src |
| 04:45.39 | streuner_ | 415 days, hm |
| 04:45.42 | simonrvn | double checks |
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| 04:45.55 | georgina | Working |
| 04:45.56 | georgina | Ty. |
| 04:46.28 | simonrvn | georgina: add a / after debian in that line i typed |
| 04:46.53 | simonrvn | np |
| 04:47.03 | georgina | Thanks |
| 04:47.08 | georgina | Was wondering why it wasn't dling. :p |
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| 04:49.12 | georgina | Woot! 1MB a second on that mirror. :> |
| 04:51.06 | streuner_ | dpkg, netselect-apt is <reply> netselect takes a bunch of servers and uses multiple pings + traceroute to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you (choose the best mirror). netselect-apt will find the fastest debian mirror and write a sources.list file for you!. Ask me about <netselect.etch> |
| 04:51.06 | dpkg | ...but netselect-apt is already something else... |
| 04:51.33 | streuner_ | dpkg, no netselect-apt is <reply> netselect takes a bunch of servers and uses multiple pings + traceroute to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you (choose the best mirror). netselect-apt will find the fastest debian mirror and write a sources.list file for you!. Ask me about <netselect.etch> |
| 04:51.34 | dpkg | okay, streuner_ |
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| 04:52.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 04:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm getting "Warning: time of day goes back (-1097284us), taking countermeasures" during pings on an etch system |
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| 04:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | time was indeed wrong by a couple of minutes, so 1st restarted ntp, then after that didn't do anything stopped the ntp server and run ntpdate |
| 04:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | still getting the warning, though |
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| 05:11.13 | Lagaro | ello all |
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| 05:13.09 | Indoctrine | Why is /usr/lib/iceweasel not a valid path for the flash installer? |
| 05:13.40 | Lagaro | Indoctrine: what error message do you get? "invalid path"? |
| 05:13.45 | Indoctrine | Yep |
| 05:13.56 | Indoctrine | WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path. |
| 05:13.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you use flashplugin-nonfree* |
| 05:14.11 | Lagaro | Indoctrine: what about /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins? |
| 05:14.20 | Lagaro | has no idea, just throwing out random suggestions |
| 05:14.26 | Indoctrine | CutMeOwnThroat: I did install it, didn't work |
| 05:14.32 | Indoctrine | I'll give that a go, Lagaro |
| 05:15.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | now the real question is why that didn't work |
| 05:15.05 | Indoctrine | Nup |
| 05:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | was it visible in about:plugins? |
| 05:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | which package did you take? |
| 05:15.34 | Indoctrine | No plugins are installed |
| 05:15.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've got flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound for some reason |
| 05:15.48 | Indoctrine | That's the one I downloaded. |
| 05:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | downloaded? |
| 05:16.26 | Indoctrine | And installed |
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| 05:17.35 | endra | hello, my server is not responding after I did aptitude update/upgrade and rebooted, is there something going on after the latest update? |
| 05:17.42 | Lagaro | anyone know of a good framebuffer image viewer? other than zgv? |
| 05:17.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 05:18.02 | Lagaro | endra: uh, is your firewall blocking your pings etc? |
| 05:18.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just see that I got that installed as well, but what IW really uses seems to come from flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 05:18.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | from debian-multimedia |
| 05:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Indoctrine, try that one instead |
| 05:18.33 | endra | Lagaro, no firewall runs on startup, it is a manual script and it allows ping. it is not a firewall issue i am sure of it |
| 05:18.43 | Indoctrine | CutMeOwnThroat: Package not found. |
| 05:18.44 | Lagaro | endra: what version are you running? |
| 05:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Indoctrine, <CutMeOwnThroat> from debian-multimedia |
| 05:18.56 | Lagaro | Indoctrine: you need the debian-multimedia repo |
| 05:18.58 | Indoctrine | CutMeOwnThroat: Package not found. |
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| 05:19.09 | endra | Lagaro, stable with bigmem kernel |
| 05:19.30 | Indoctrine | Which would just be debian-multimedia tacked onto the end of the mirrors? |
| 05:19.34 | Lagaro | Indoctrine: add 'deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sid main' |
| 05:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it's not found if you don't have debian-multimedia |
| 05:19.43 | Indoctrine | I have Lenny. |
| 05:19.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dmm |
| 05:19.44 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
| 05:19.47 | Lagaro | Indoctrine: or whatever your version is |
| 05:20.06 | craigevil | flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree do the same thing |
| 05:20.07 | Lagaro | endra: hmm . . . what pkgs did you update? |
| 05:20.44 | Indoctrine | debian-multimedia-keyring? |
| 05:20.46 | endra | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 05:20.47 | endra | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.47 | endra | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.50 | endra | sorry for paste |
| 05:20.53 | Lagaro | endra: you say that your "server is not responding after . . .": can you clarify? |
| 05:21.02 | endra | Lagaro, I can't ping or connect to it |
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| 05:21.18 | Lagaro | endra: well, is the network interface up? |
| 05:21.27 | endra | Lagaro, I don't know, I can't tell because it's a dedicated server :P |
| 05:21.33 | endra | .. 2000 miles away |
| 05:21.33 | Lagaro | endra: is there a 'auto <interfacename>' in /etc/network/interfaces.list? |
| 05:21.42 | Lagaro | endra: ahh . . . hmmm |
| 05:21.48 | Lagaro | endra: tricky :P |
| 05:21.54 | endra | I already filed a ticket, I'm here to see if there is a problem going on |
| 05:22.02 | endra | maybe to assist them, they haven't responded yet, blast! |
| 05:22.08 | Lagaro | endra: I'd say that the network interface just isn't up by default |
| 05:22.17 | endra | Lagaro, I've rebooted before |
| 05:22.22 | Indoctrine | That got it working, thaks |
| 05:22.24 | Indoctrine | thanks* |
| 05:22.25 | Lagaro | endra: AFAIK there's no major problems like that in etch . . . |
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| 05:22.54 | endra | Lagaro, where would after-upgrade problems be posted, usually? |
| 05:23.25 | Lagaro | endra: that'd be a high-importance bug in the bugtracker |
| 05:23.33 | Lagaro | endra: (AFAIK) |
| 05:24.40 | pickcoder | I doubt those packages would have caused an issue with interfaces |
| 05:25.12 | Lagaro | pickcoder: yea, unless it's a new module that doesn't work for that NIC . . . |
| 05:25.20 | endra | Lagaro, http://pastebin.ca/1335718 do you see any problems? |
| 05:25.24 | pickcoder | hot-plug is probably the culprit if it's active on those eth devices |
| 05:25.47 | Lagaro | endra: I'll take a look |
| 05:25.58 | endra | thanks |
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| 05:26.55 | Lagaro | endra: no, all looks good, normal for kernel upgrades |
| 05:27.56 | Lagaro | endra: I've no idea why it's not working . . . unless it's a network/power outage, which I highly doubt |
| 05:29.49 | endra | damn, 15 minutes no reply |
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| 05:30.24 | endra | ah yay they are looking into it, thanks for the help |
| 05:30.29 | endra | I'll report back when we find out the issue |
| 05:30.32 | Lagaro | endra: alright |
| 05:30.42 | Lagaro | is eagarly awaiting the results |
| 05:30.48 | endra | and it's back online, wonder what they did |
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| 05:32.02 | endra | how can I kick off tty1? :P |
| 05:32.14 | Lagaro | so, no one knows of a good framebuffer image viewer besides zgv? |
| 05:32.57 | Lagaro | endra: clarify? |
| 05:33.17 | endra | Lagaro, can I kick off console user over ssh? |
| 05:33.21 | endra | as in.. log him out |
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| 05:34.02 | endra | 'It seems to might have just taken some extra time to boot up. It was at the debian prompt when I consoled it. Glad everything is well." |
| 05:34.10 | endra | lol. |
| 05:34.24 | endra | 15 minute bootup ftw |
| 05:34.28 | Lagaro | endra: well, you could kill -SIGTERM the BASH session . . . not the best idea . . . |
| 05:34.36 | Lagaro | endra: coulda done a disk check |
| 05:34.39 | endra | ahhh probably it was doing the hard drive check |
| 05:34.43 | endra | after 32 times or whatever |
| 05:34.56 | Lagaro | endra: 20 mounts or 30 days IIRC |
| 05:35.16 | endra | What's the check called? fsck? |
| 05:35.39 | Lagaro | endra: fsck is the disk-check helper tool, it calls fsck.<fstype> |
| 05:35.47 | endra | ah ok, thanks |
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| 05:36.04 | Lagaro | endra: tune2fs allows you to change that period |
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| 05:37.13 | draeath | anyone tried LXDE? |
| 05:37.32 | Lagaro | draeath: nope, but I can install it if you like, give it a look :P |
| 05:37.50 | draeath | Need something to do then? |
| 05:37.53 | draeath | ;) |
| 05:37.54 | Lagaro | draeath: actually, I tried it once, and didn't like it -- fluxbox was faster |
| 05:37.57 | Lagaro | draeath: yep :D |
| 05:38.09 | craigevil | i use lxde on my eee 701 |
| 05:38.14 | Lagaro | draeath: since no-one seems to know of a good FB image viewer |
| 05:38.14 | draeath | Well, I was going to put xfce in, and saw lxde in the menu |
| 05:38.23 | draeath | craigevil: excellent... im installing on an eee 1000 |
| 05:39.11 | draeath | Do you know what widget set it uses? |
| 05:39.31 | craigevil | lxde? it uses openbox for the wm |
| 05:39.34 | Lagaro | draeath: take a look at the depends |
| 05:39.47 | draeath | Lagaro: i'm not even into the installer yet, can't do that |
| 05:39.51 | Lagaro | draeath: GTK, it looks like |
| 05:40.03 | draeath | Lagaro: ty |
| 05:40.16 | draeath | I'll give it a shot. nothing stops me from later puting the xfce metapackage on :) |
| 05:40.19 | Lagaro | draeath: aye, the core lxde stuff depends on the GTK stuff -- libgtk, libcairo, etc |
| 05:40.45 | Lagaro | draeath: how fast is the eee 1000? |
| 05:40.56 | draeath | 2x 1.6ghz |
| 05:41.05 | Lagaro | draeath: woah |
| 05:41.09 | draeath | (hyperthreading) |
| 05:41.14 | draeath | Intel Atom |
| 05:41.26 | Lagaro | draeath: BTW: "lxlauncher": Easy-Mode launcher for subnotebook like EeePC |
| 05:41.40 | draeath | Lagaro: I hate those things, not gonna use that |
| 05:41.53 | Lagaro | draeath: heh, that's the same speed as this computer |
| 05:42.15 | Lagaro | draeath: man, I gotta get me one of those eees someday . . . |
| 05:42.20 | craigevil | faster than my 701 :( , which is still fast enough for me, it boots in 20 seconds and iceweasel loads as fast on it as it does on this crappy dell with a 2.4 cpu |
| 05:42.25 | draeath | Thing has an internal 8gm SSD, 32gb user-replaceable SSD, 802.11 N (draft), bluetooth... |
| 05:42.32 | draeath | and it only cost $400 US |
| 05:42.44 | draeath | came with 1gb ram, takes a replacement SODIMM up to 2gb |
| 05:42.45 | Lagaro | craigevil: heh |
| 05:42.59 | craigevil | just ordered my wife the new 1000HE from amazon, 160gb HD $374 |
| 05:43.06 | Lagaro | draeath: mann . . . don't make me go spend $400 US :| |
| 05:43.19 | draeath | Heh. I wanted the SSD. slower, but no moving parts (aside from the tiny quiet fan |
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| 05:43.45 | Lagaro | draeath: aye, my subnotebook has no moving parts . . . rules for longevity |
| 05:43.51 | craigevil | yeah my 701 has taken some abuse one with a HD probably wouldnt have survived, it bounced down 2 flights of stair |
| 05:43.59 | draeath | wow |
| 05:44.04 | draeath | i'm hoping mine has no such trials |
| 05:44.05 | Lagaro | craigevil: and it's still alive? |
| 05:44.19 | craigevil | only scratched the crystal case i have on it |
| 05:44.27 | Lagaro | craigevil: nice :P |
| 05:44.30 | draeath | hrm. wonder if i should use disk encryption. |
| 05:44.36 | draeath | is the LUKS bottleneck drive speed, or CPU? |
| 05:44.40 | craigevil | ive had it since last Feb still runs great |
| 05:44.55 | Lagaro | draeath: why would you need disk enc? any reason? :) |
| 05:45.05 | draeath | Paranoia |
| 05:45.06 | craigevil | you wouldnt notice much of a slow down with encryption |
| 05:45.20 | draeath | i wouldn't think so, half the time things are waiting for the physical write... |
| 05:45.24 | Lagaro | craigevil: aye |
| 05:45.25 | draeath | i'll give it a shot. |
| 05:45.36 | draeath | I think aes is fairly quick? |
| 05:45.40 | Lagaro | draeath: why not? experimentation is the essence of sysadmining . . . |
| 05:45.50 | craigevil | lurk in #eeepc or #debian-eeepc quite a few people use encryption |
| 05:46.29 | draeath | i've used it on my desktop lots, just wonder how it works on an SSD. Not an eee specific question though. |
| 05:46.32 | draeath | i'll give it ashot |
| 05:47.10 | draeath | heh maybe hack my kernel to build with the intel compiler. should scream then, with the atom sepcific stuff ;) |
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| 05:47.41 | draeath | arg i can't type tonight |
| 05:47.47 | Lagaro | so, no one here ever uses the framebuffer for image viewing? am I the only one? |
| 05:48.19 | draeath | Lagaro: see what depends on libsvga? |
| 05:48.29 | Lagaro | draeath: mmm, sure, why not |
| 05:48.48 | Lagaro | draeath: libsvga stuff doesn't really work on my computer for some reason |
| 05:48.50 | endra | thanks for the help lagaro |
| 05:48.59 | endra | i'm off to bed, good night |
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| 05:49.50 | Lagaro | draeath: nope, nothing . . . |
| 05:50.15 | Lagaro | draeath: could write an image viewer that uses the SDL, though . . . SDL supports framebuffer output . . . |
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| 05:51.04 | draeath | Lagaro: at this point I would evaluate why you need to use the framebuffer |
| 05:51.18 | draeath | which is more work - avoiding the framebuffer, or bending it to your will? |
| 05:51.55 | Lagaro | draeath: avoiding it -- trying to avoid X on my subnotebook as much as possible |
| 05:52.52 | draeath | Why not use that embedded X server? I forget the name, but DSL uses it |
| 05:53.44 | Lagaro | draeath: which one is that? eh, I'll go take a look at the pkgs DSL uses |
| 05:54.14 | Lagaro | draeath: actually, think I might be using that one |
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| 05:56.23 | draeath | I love how convoluted LUKS + LVM can get |
| 05:56.41 | Lagaro | draeath: lol, aye |
| 05:57.08 | Lagaro | draeath: also, FYI, I'm attempting to remove X altogether |
| 05:57.22 | abhishekbatra | hi |
| 05:57.24 | draeath | yet you want to have graphics. |
| 05:57.27 | Lagaro | draeath: taking 'a day without X' to the extreme, and also because it's faster |
| 05:57.28 | draeath | does not compute. |
| 05:57.44 | abhishekbatra | i just installed python-gtk2 on etch, but python still can't find pygtk |
| 05:58.14 | Lagaro | draeath: when you're talking about a 366MHz processor, with an impatient user like me, every quarter of a second counts |
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| 05:58.27 | draeath | ouch 366mhz... |
| 05:58.34 | draeath | I think back then I was using win05 |
| 05:58.34 | Lagaro | draeath: I can live w/o images, but it would be nice |
| 05:58.41 | draeath | er, win95, should my fingers cooperate |
| 05:58.54 | Lagaro | draeath: '95 on 366MHz? that musta flown . . . |
| 05:59.12 | draeath | oh yes. beleive it or not, but I actually played a game with 3d acceleration on that |
| 05:59.19 | draeath | i think i had a voodoo 2 |
| 05:59.21 | Lagaro | draeath: well, relitave to other MS products |
| 05:59.31 | Lagaro | draeath: *relative |
| 05:59.42 | draeath | win95 wasn't that bad really |
| 05:59.50 | draeath | it was 98 and me where the bloat started to creep |
| 05:59.56 | Lagaro | draeath: Debian on 366MHz in a console environment flies |
| 06:00.12 | Lagaro | draeath: aye, 98 = 95+MSIE5+bloat |
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| 06:00.23 | draeath | just the theme engine alone... |
| 06:00.41 | Lagaro | draeath: yep, used 98 on a 400MHz laptop for a few years |
| 06:00.45 | draeath | I remember playing with those themes, and thinking that it didn't get much better than that |
| 06:00.53 | Lagaro | draeath: :D |
| 06:01.01 | draeath | I found linux in 2000 |
| 06:01.18 | Lagaro | draeath: mmm, 9 years now? |
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| 06:01.34 | draeath | yea. only been my primary for 4 years now |
| 06:01.44 | draeath | prior to that i just goofed around with it |
| 06:02.06 | draeath | win2k for the 'real work' for a long while. xp was my switching point. |
| 06:02.38 | Lagaro | draeath: mmm . . . discovered it at about the same time (2000, 2001), never really did much with it |
| 06:03.01 | Lagaro | draeath: used a MEPIS LiveCD for a little while, then installed Sarge onto my laptop |
| 06:03.15 | draeath | I started playing with it the same time i started playing with programming languages. Programming isn't my thing, but I can do basic stuff... |
| 06:03.23 | draeath | Woody for me ;) |
| 06:03.36 | Lagaro | draeath: no sis900 driver for the NIC, no DRI, no internet period . . . |
| 06:03.45 | draeath | woody with kde 2.x i think? |
| 06:03.46 | Lagaro | draeath: those were the days . . . |
| 06:04.41 | Lagaro | draeath: now I had a great ceremony pressing the <enter> key wiping Vista off of this computer the day I got it |
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| 06:05.24 | Lagaro | draeath: the full extortionist ceremony . . . I think my laptop thanked me for it |
| 06:05.55 | Lagaro | draeath: since the install was flawless, no problems (got everything working 'cept for bluetooth within 2 hours) |
| 06:07.30 | xoz | ponders... wassup with all these sony blues... bluetooth, bluray. sony reeally lost it. |
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| 06:08.17 | Lagaro | xoz: aye, they did |
| 06:10.39 | xoz | now, microsoft naming something Vista... with no future. |
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| 06:11.09 | draeath | Lagaro: heh, back then I would configure my kernel just to do it. |
| 06:11.19 | draeath | If I remember right, i hopped on the gentoo train for a while |
| 06:11.41 | draeath | debian's always been the one that I fall back on when something turns me off |
| 06:12.19 | Lagaro | draeath: lol |
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| 06:12.41 | twisted` | xoz: sony didn't 'invent' bluetooth ;) |
| 06:12.49 | Lagaro | draeath: been thinking of trying gentoo . . . |
| 06:13.34 | twisted` | Lagaro: gentoo is nice, I'd been runnin it on my macbook if it had a normal usb-installer... which it lacked so I went with debian |
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| 06:14.14 | Lagaro | twisted`: mmm . . . debian's nice, but IMO it's mostly a server distro and stable desktop distro |
| 06:14.24 | TwistOfFate | i've forgotten |
| 06:14.29 | TwistOfFate | what's the location for package doco in debian? |
| 06:14.32 | Lagaro | twisted`: Sid's still not recent enough for me . . . |
| 06:14.41 | Lagaro | TwistOfFate: /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> |
| 06:14.44 | TwistOfFate | thanks |
| 06:14.46 | Lagaro | TwistOfFate: usually |
| 06:14.54 | craigevil | Lagaro: it usually is when testing isnt frozen |
| 06:16.57 | Lagaro | craigevil: mmm . . . even then . . . |
| 06:17.48 | twisted` | Lagaro: lol, I just got the base install.. rolled my own kernel, compiled e17 and grabbed firefox from repo :p |
| 06:18.28 | craigevil | the only thing thats usually behind is gnome, gimp, pidgin Openoffice, iceweasel are usually the same as upstream |
| 06:18.34 | Lagaro | twisted`: no point in using Debian w/o dpkg/apt :) |
| 06:19.10 | Lagaro | craigevil: dunno . . . Sid just seems to lag behind to me . . . 'specally with new packages . . . |
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| 06:19.40 | twisted` | Lagaro: like I said, it had a usb-installer |
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| 06:21.17 | Lagaro | twisted`: usb-installer and goodbye-microsoft.com :) |
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| 06:23.22 | twisted` | Lagaro: dunno... I don't buy microsoft products |
| 06:24.23 | twisted` | Lagaro: somehow the gentoo time thought it was nice to have a usb installer option, but only if you already had linux running so you can actually set it up! wow... how very nice... |
| 06:24.34 | twisted` | Lagaro: doesn't even work from within another *nix, so... |
| 06:24.41 | Lagaro | twisted`: lol |
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| 06:25.17 | Lagaro | twisted`: BTW -- goodbye-microsoft is a windows debootstrap that installs Debian onto a computer with Windows and no CD-ROM etc |
| 06:25.43 | Lagaro | twisted`: I've used it once or twice -- no blank CDROMs required :) |
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| 06:26.04 | I_Died_Once | quick question: what package gives you the 'ip addr' command ??? |
| 06:26.16 | I_Died_Once | to find out your IP ??? |
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| 06:26.24 | sussudio | ifconfig? |
| 06:26.24 | TwistOfFate | is the nagios3-common package broken in lenny? |
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| 06:26.44 | bsulzer | hello ev'rybody |
| 06:26.56 | Lagaro | bsulzer: hello |
| 06:27.12 | Lagaro | I_Died_Once: ifconfig will tell you |
| 06:27.29 | Lagaro | I_Died_Once: /sbin/ifconfig as non-root, just can't change anything |
| 06:27.52 | I_Died_Once | dont have it installed, and i can not see if from apt |
| 06:28.01 | bsulzer | i've got the following problem: when i start my wm by xdm or gdm, i see some failiure screen with a grey background and a console at the upper left corner |
| 06:28.12 | Lagaro | I_Died_Once: it's always installed, in the base system |
| 06:28.20 | I_Died_Once | ...... |
| 06:28.22 | bsulzer | but when i do it over startx, the wm starts normally |
| 06:28.42 | I_Died_Once | mofo@everex:~$ ifconfig |
| 06:28.42 | I_Died_Once | bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 06:28.42 | I_Died_Once | mofo@everex:~$ |
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| 06:28.50 | Lagaro | I_Died_Once: what happens when you type /sbin/ifconfig? |
| 06:29.07 | Lagaro | I_Died_Once: read what I said before |
| 06:29.23 | I_Died_Once | but i need the ip addr command |
| 06:29.38 | Lagaro | I_Died_Once: 'ip addr' command? |
| 06:29.42 | k-man | is there a linux ical server? |
| 06:29.44 | I_Died_Once | or would prefer it |
| 06:29.50 | spx2 | is a file descriptor proper to a process or global ? does the file descriptor with number 6 in a child process resemble the same thing as number 6 in a parent process for example ? or they are different things ? can I just pass a file descriptor number from a child to parent and expect it to work over there ? (as a sidenote,trying to do this with fds for unnamed pipes) |
| 06:29.57 | Lagaro | I_Died_Once: are you trying to figure out your IP address? local or global? |
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| 06:30.39 | bsulzer | is it possible that the gdm/xdm don't look at the .xinitrc? |
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| 06:30.59 | I_Died_Once | ...on just about every linux system i'vew ever used, you might ahve to install a package, but there is the 'ip addr' command that gives me what i need in short format |
| 06:31.28 | Lagaro | I_Died_Once: it's as root . . . |
| 06:31.34 | Lagaro | I_Died_Once: lemme check what package it's in |
| 06:31.47 | I_Died_Once | ty |
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| 06:32.24 | Lagaro | I_Died_Once: I'm wrong, not as root. it's in the package iproute |
| 06:32.56 | I_Died_Once | i bet thats it |
| 06:33.00 | I_Died_Once | installing now |
| 06:33.05 | I_Died_Once | i'll let you know |
| 06:34.05 | I_Died_Once | yep, thats what i was needing |
| 06:34.10 | I_Died_Once | thanks a lot, yo |
| 06:34.15 | I_Died_Once | woot woot |
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| 06:35.31 | bsulzer | Lagaro: may i ask you about my prob? you seem to be a specialist... |
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| 06:38.28 | Lagaro | bsulzer: well, I've no idea from what I've seen so far |
| 06:38.52 | Lagaro | bsulzer: but the problem is that DMs don't seem to be working? |
| 06:39.36 | Lagaro | bsulzer: "specialist"? where'd that come from? |
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| 06:40.09 | bsulzer | Lagaro: i figured it out by myself. |
| 06:40.46 | bsulzer | Lagaro: and what the devel is a DM? |
| 06:41.03 | bsulzer | Lagaro: forget it. it was a dumb question |
| 06:41.05 | Lagaro | bsulzer: Desktop Manager, like GDM or KDM . . . |
| 06:41.38 | Lagaro | bsulzer: what was the problem? |
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| 06:42.34 | bsulzer | Lagaro: with the DM's the failiure screen came (i don't know what it is called correctly), with startx there's no problem at all |
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| 06:44.07 | unitypunk | bsulzer or dungeon master :-p |
| 06:44.08 | Lagaro | bsulzer: so it's fixed, then? |
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| 06:44.45 | bsulzer | unitypunk: well, someone is into P&P-roleplaying? ;) |
| 06:44.58 | unitypunk | rofl |
| 06:45.01 | unitypunk | no |
| 06:45.07 | unitypunk | i just like nerd jokes. |
| 06:45.37 | bsulzer | Lagaro: fixed, yes and no. i just don't like to type startx ev'ry time i boot up my system... ;) |
| 06:45.44 | bsulzer | unitypunk: i c |
| 06:45.55 | zinx | Lagaro: get a display manager |
| 06:46.00 | zinx | erh, bsulzer |
| 06:46.17 | Lagaro | bsulzer: aye heh. what happens with DMs like wdm and xdm? they not work as well? |
| 06:46.44 | bsulzer | zinx: that's the problem. they screw it up... |
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| 06:46.46 | zinx | bsulzer: erh, hmm. check /var/log/Xorg.0.log after it fails and see what it says |
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| 06:47.09 | zinx | bsulzer: very odd that it's failing, though... it starts x in almost the same way, using the same config file(s) |
| 06:48.02 | bsulzer | Lagaro: wdm i haven't tried yet, only gdm and xdm |
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| 06:48.18 | bsulzer | zinx: jam |
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| 06:51.09 | Lagaro | bsulzer: wdm won't work if xdm doesn't . . . just wondered if you'd tried the "heavyweight" DMs like gdm/kdm |
| 06:52.22 | zinx | all of them -should- work if startx does |
| 06:52.31 | zinx | should probably figure out why they aren't by browsing /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 06:53.12 | bsulzer | it sais [config/hal] couldn't initialize context: (null) (null) |
| 06:53.27 | Lagaro | bsulzer: hal problem then? |
| 06:53.43 | Lagaro | bsulzer: this a new install? or is it a recent problem that's cropped up? |
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| 06:54.40 | bsulzer | the install is a few hours old |
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| 06:54.55 | Lagaro | bsulzer: ok, fresh install then heh |
| 06:55.03 | Lagaro | bsulzer: that's the only message you can find? |
| 06:55.04 | bsulzer | on ose-virtualbox i must say |
| 06:55.13 | Lagaro | bsulzer: same difference |
| 06:55.24 | kj4 | hello all |
| 06:55.28 | Lagaro | kj4: hello |
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| 06:55.59 | bsulzer | Lagaro: what difference? |
| 06:56.04 | kj4 | i didn't realize there were separate debian channels on different irc servers (duh) is this the best one? |
| 06:56.22 | Lagaro | bsulzer: no difference between virtualbox-ose and a real install besides speed |
| 06:56.30 | unitypunk | this is the biggest deb ive seen |
| 06:56.47 | kj4 | ok. unitypunk, are you from unity, NH? |
| 06:56.51 | Lagaro | unitypunk, kj4: yep, biggest #debian I've seen, so I hang out here |
| 06:56.51 | craigevil | kj4: here or oftc.net is fine, this channel is usually busier and a lof of people are in both |
| 06:57.00 | unitypunk | noo.. |
| 06:57.03 | kj4 | gotcha |
| 06:57.04 | bsulzer | Lagaro: ok, |
| 06:57.05 | craigevil | s/lof/lot |
| 06:57.05 | unitypunk | im from caulifornia |
| 06:57.15 | kj4 | unitypunk, ok |
| 06:57.27 | kj4 | i'm a new debian users |
| 06:57.30 | kj4 | user |
| 06:57.33 | unitypunk | good |
| 06:57.41 | Lagaro | kj4: then welcome to debian :) |
| 06:57.55 | bsulzer | Lagaro: i can't find any other |
| 06:58.10 | kj4 | thank you, last distro was arch, a fun distro |
| 06:58.27 | Lagaro | bsulzer: can you post your log to a pastebin-style site? I'll take a look if you like |
| 06:58.42 | Lagaro | bsulzer: but it's probably a Virtualbox virtual hardware problem |
| 06:58.55 | Lagaro | bsulzer: try stopping HAL, then starting the DM\ |
| 06:59.20 | bsulzer | Lagaro: how do i stop hal? |
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| 06:59.28 | Lagaro | bsulzer: /etc/init.d/hald stop |
| 06:59.37 | Lagaro | bsulzer: /etc/init.d/hal stop |
| 06:59.40 | Lagaro | bsulzer: sorry |
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| 07:00.34 | bsulzer | Lagaro: duh! i could have known it |
| 07:01.03 | Lagaro | bsulzer: any change? still giving you errors? |
| 07:01.34 | bsulzer | hal: no such file or directory (even as root) |
| 07:02.09 | Lagaro | bsulzer: alright, so you don't have HAL installed . . . install it . . . |
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| 07:02.25 | bsulzer | Lagaro: ok |
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| 07:02.29 | Lagaro | heh, just noticed this on screen's startup message: 'Send bugreports, fixes, enhancements, t-shirts, money, beer & pizza to screen@uni-erlangen.de' . . . lol |
| 07:03.43 | Lagaro | kj4: I've seen several people move from debian to arch . . . what's it like? |
| 07:04.06 | bsulzer | Lagaro: hal isn't installed on my native either... is that a problem? |
| 07:04.28 | kj4 | Lagaro, it's fast, it's got cutting edge versions of progs |
| 07:04.36 | kj4 | lots of daily upgrades |
| 07:04.42 | twisted` | Lagaro: nice, but no go from within osx :) |
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| 07:05.14 | Lagaro | twisted`: lol :) |
| 07:05.28 | kj4 | Lagaro, uses BSD style init, much configuration is done in one text file, /etc/rc.conf |
| 07:05.28 | Lagaro | kj4: mmm .. . I'll it on my testing partition next, then :) |
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| 07:05.53 | Lagaro | kj4: heh, time to wipe HURD off and give arch a go |
| 07:06.00 | Lagaro | = bored |
| 07:06.08 | kj4 | lagaro, but the daily 'uprades' can break stuff. one update broke printing and automounting of USB devices on two completeley different machines |
| 07:06.28 | Lagaro | kj4: so? there's a reason I use Sid . . . because I don't care about that kind of stuff |
| 07:06.35 | kj4 | Arch is very fast though, noticeably. it's mean and lean. |
| 07:06.52 | craigevil | ive never had anything important break running sid in the 5 yrs ive ran it |
| 07:07.08 | liable | your not trying hard enough then |
| 07:07.12 | craigevil | arch isnt any faster than debian |
| 07:07.16 | kj4 | Lagaro, so then you'd be quite happy with Arch. i'm looking for 100 percent stability on this machine (main desktop) |
| 07:07.22 | Lagaro | craigevil: I've had my X fonts deleted once or twice |
| 07:07.36 | Lagaro | craigevil: lots of minor problems, mostly with networking |
| 07:07.42 | kj4 | craigevil, well, then i guess i'll be quite happy with debian |
| 07:07.43 | liable | udev was fun for a while |
| 07:07.44 | craigevil | liable: kde4 will probably break a ton of things, whne it hits sid i will probably just go to using lxde like i do on my eee |
| 07:08.07 | Lagaro | craigevil: I'm treating KDE4 with a 100m pole . . . |
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| 07:08.24 | kj4 | <--103M pole |
| 07:08.40 | Lagaro | bsulzer: woah, no HAL for your native computer? what on earth are you running? |
| 07:08.41 | kj4 | i like XFCE currently, if i move from that, it will be 'lighter' |
| 07:09.10 | Lagaro | kj4: I like fluxbox . . . runs well on pretty much any computer, is flexible, and is customizable enough for me |
| 07:09.11 | bsulzer | Lagaro: debian |
| 07:09.14 | kj4 | craigevil, how do you like lxde? |
| 07:09.30 | Lagaro | bsulzer: aye, I guessed . . . but you don't have HAL? weird |
| 07:09.50 | bsulzer | Lagaro: i'm sorry |
| 07:09.52 | craigevil | kj4: i love it, it flies on my eee 701 |
| 07:09.52 | kj4 | Lagaro, yes, i've look at fluxbox, very nice- i'd like it on a laptop for sure |
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| 07:10.00 | Lagaro | bsulzer: ah well, not too weird I guess :) |
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| 07:10.28 | Lagaro | kj4: I use it on my ultraportable laptop -- an OLPC XO-1 pre-production |
| 07:10.55 | kj4 | Lagaro, on that note, how does automounting USB devices work under fluxbox? |
| 07:11.17 | craigevil | my sons XO still has the fedora/sugar on it, im considering putting debian on a 8gb sd so he doesnt have to use sugar |
| 07:11.29 | Lagaro | kj4: dunno, don't use automount :) |
| 07:11.43 | bsulzer | Lagaro: btw: on xorg told me someone to simlink .xinitrc to .xsession and iirc. it worked |
| 07:11.51 | kj4 | Lagaro, ok. i could get used to that, i guess |
| 07:11.56 | Lagaro | craigevil: debxo w/fluxbox fits comfortably onto the 1GB SSD |
| 07:12.05 | Lagaro | bsulzer: so everything's good then? |
| 07:12.10 | craigevil | yeah i was looking at that |
| 07:12.27 | Lagaro | craigevil: I use a 2GB SD card for swap and /home |
| 07:12.30 | bsulzer | Lagaro: now yes |
| 07:12.41 | Lagaro | bsulzer: grats :) |
| 07:12.43 | bsulzer | Lagaro: thx anyway. |
| 07:12.52 | Lagaro | bsulzer: sorry I couldn't help heh |
| 07:13.16 | bsulzer | Lagaro: you did your best, soldier... ;) |
| 07:13.24 | Lagaro | craigevil: one thing, though -- the olpc kernel modules spam /var/log/syslog with messages |
| 07:13.32 | Lagaro | bsulzer: aye, aye, sir. that I did. |
| 07:13.48 | Lagaro | salutes bsulzer |
| 07:13.56 | craigevil | so you turn off logging i did on my eee |
| 07:14.00 | bsulzer | bows |
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| 07:15.00 | Lagaro | craigevil: mmm, yea . . . could . . . never bothered to, though. easier just to 'rm /var/log/syslog && touch /var/log/syslog' every once in a while, or remove the modules from memory |
| 07:15.27 | Lagaro | craigevil: also, the SD swap is kinda unreliable for hibernation |
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| 07:15.40 | Lagaro | craigevil: it's touchy, doesn't always work |
| 07:15.47 | craigevil | i just used rccoonf so syslogd and klogd dont start |
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| 07:16.35 | Lagaro | craigevil: mmm . . . doesn't that affect other log stuff, like pppd as well? |
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| 07:17.10 | kj4 | are the one laptop per chimpanzee computers still available for sale? |
| 07:17.53 | Lagaro | kj4: not sure, the G1G1 amazon program might be running still |
| 07:17.56 | craigevil | doesnt seem to affect anything on my eee, ive ran it that way since last Feb |
| 07:18.09 | craigevil | i got my sons XO free for testing fedora 10 on it |
| 07:18.14 | kj4 | i'll check there |
| 07:18.18 | kj4 | wow |
| 07:18.19 | kj4 | how? |
| 07:18.27 | Lagaro | kj4: I've severed all ties with the OLPC . . . they screwed up so badly recently IMO |
| 07:18.42 | craigevil | G1G1 is over buy you can probably get one on ebay |
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| 07:19.01 | Lagaro | craigevil: . . . for $500 US . . . |
| 07:19.31 | craigevil | hehe screw that i just bought my wife the eee 1000HE for $374 and it has a 160GB HD |
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| 07:20.26 | Lagaro | craigevil: lol, I got mine pro bono as well . . . |
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| 07:20.55 | craigevil | the Xo is fine as a kids lappy no way i would have spent $399 on it though |
| 07:20.59 | Lagaro | craigevil: got my school to pay for it, on the basis that I would do a presentation on the OLPC to a bunch of students |
| 07:21.07 | kj4 | 433 mhz? no thanks |
| 07:21.16 | Lagaro | kj4: stepped down to 366MHz |
| 07:21.28 | craigevil | some games do run on it ok though like gcompris, freedoom, freedink |
| 07:21.36 | Lagaro | craigevil: I woulda paid $100US for it, but not $200 or $400 . . . |
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| 07:21.45 | kj4 | yikes. yeah, 100 new sounds right |
| 07:21.53 | Lagaro | craigevil: cfclient works pretty well :D |
| 07:22.03 | craigevil | crossfire? |
| 07:22.13 | craigevil | might have to install that its a fun game |
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| 07:23.00 | kj4 | why does my xorg look 'sparse', does lenny use something else? |
| 07:23.06 | Lagaro | craigevil: aye, it is . . . can't wait for 2.0 |
| 07:23.16 | Lagaro | kj4: why does it look 'sparse'? |
| 07:23.28 | kj4 | doesn't show video driver |
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| 07:23.48 | craigevil | kj4 depends on the card, xorg isnt supposed to need xorg.conf |
| 07:24.06 | kj4 | ah. so where do i look for info on the driver? |
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| 07:24.21 | Lagaro | kj4: what's your video card? |
| 07:24.36 | kj4 | nvidia 7500le |
| 07:24.47 | Lagaro | kj4: use the nv driver, in the package . . . hang on . . . |
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| 07:25.08 | Lagaro | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia IIRC |
| 07:25.23 | Lagaro | kj4: sorry, xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 07:25.26 | kj4 | thats the open source driver? |
| 07:25.32 | Lagaro | kj4: yea |
| 07:25.46 | kj4 | its probably already installed. |
| 07:25.49 | Lagaro | kj4: for the closed-source driver, well, use google . . . |
| 07:25.57 | Lagaro | kj4: perhaps, yea |
| 07:26.04 | kj4 | just wanted to verify that info |
| 07:26.11 | kj4 | where do I do that? |
| 07:26.24 | craigevil | apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-nv |
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| 07:27.03 | kj4 | craigevil, great, thanks |
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| 07:27.17 | Lagaro | well, I want more than 5 hours of sleep tonight . . . 'night, everyone |
| 07:27.25 | kj4 | yes, using v 2.1.10-1 of the nv package |
| 07:27.28 | Lagaro | bows |
| 07:27.38 | kj4 | later Lagaro |
| 07:27.41 | kj4 | thanks! |
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| 07:30.32 | kamathln | hi .. i am using the madwiffi modules for eeepc from eeepc.debain.net . the nm-applet (default debian gnome wifi manager) shows i am connected at 98% strength. but if i do iwconfig, it shows network card ath0 is not even set for my essid (its blank). what does this mean ? |
| 07:31.11 | liable | depends, can you access the internet? |
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| 07:31.53 | kamathln | liable: oh hi! no .. i cant even ping the router, i cant even get an ip from dhcp |
| 07:32.27 | liable | kamathln: oh well, click on NM and try and make it do something ;) |
| 07:32.32 | kamathln | it would work suddenly out of the blue, 1 in 20 tries. when it would work for a long time |
| 07:33.06 | kamathln | but once disconnected, its again a lottery luck that gets me conencted |
| 07:33.33 | kamathln | i am quite near the router and it shows 98% signal strength, so that should not be a problem |
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| 07:33.51 | liable | you might want to try another network manager or manually configuring it |
| 07:34.31 | kamathln | liable: tried wifi-radar .. but it only has wep enc and basic wpa+tkit encryption |
| 07:34.42 | kamathln | i need to use wpa2+aes |
| 07:35.28 | draeath | So, lenny RC2 installer put lilo on (in a situation where lilo won't work) |
| 07:35.36 | draeath | how do I get grub set up as if the installer did it? |
| 07:35.45 | draeath | I've got it up in a chroot from a rescue sstem |
| 07:35.49 | draeath | sstem -> system |
| 07:36.08 | liable | try 'grub-install /dev/whatever' |
| 07:36.14 | draeath | won't work |
| 07:36.18 | draeath | /boot/grub was NOT set up |
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| 07:36.31 | draeath | all it has is ascii.pff and moreblue-orbit-grub.png (i just installed grub-pc) |
| 07:36.39 | kamathln | dpkg-reconfigure grub ? |
| 07:36.45 | liable | reinstall grub, that should put its files in /boot |
| 07:36.49 | kamathln | apt-get install grub ? |
| 07:36.55 | draeath | I did that |
| 07:36.59 | draeath | 'grub' did nothing in /boot |
| 07:37.07 | draeath | grub-pc put /boot/grub and added those two files |
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| 07:37.32 | draeath | liable: no change |
| 07:37.38 | kamathln | oh interesting .. looks like grub is now segregated |
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| 07:38.41 | draeath | Now, here's whats going on. Installing to an eeepc 1000, chose the LXDE installer tree, normal mode (not expert). Set up /boot on a plain partition, rest is an encrypted. inside the encrypted, is an LVM containing / and swap |
| 07:38.41 | kamathln | drearth .. are you still getting lilo ? |
| 07:38.49 | draeath | This works on the desktop I have in front of me now. |
| 07:38.51 | draeath | But... |
| 07:39.12 | draeath | When I installed this desktop, the installer chose grub. The EeePC install chose lilo, which won't work properly with LUKS+LVM it seems |
| 07:39.25 | draeath | i get dropped to busybox because root wasn't found |
| 07:40.00 | kamathln | draeath: interesting .. on my eeepc, grub got installed by default |
| 07:40.11 | draeath | I wonder how it decides which loader to use |
| 07:40.24 | draeath | I also wonder how to tell it to knock it off and use grub anyways ;) |
| 07:40.44 | draeath | but in the meantime, I don't have a bootable system until I can do what the installer does when it puts grub down |
| 07:40.45 | kamathln | unless there is a lilo theme that decievingly looks like grub :-P |
| 07:40.54 | taneli | inux-image 2.6.26-13 pauses often for ~1 minute, -12 did not, what's up? |
| 07:41.03 | draeath | Heh, no, its lilo... |
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| 07:41.25 | kamathln | draeath: what are the files in your /boot/grub ? |
| 07:41.43 | liable | if you boot the installer in rescue mode, it gives you a menu for reinstalling grub |
| 07:42.01 | draeath | liable: i'll give that a shot |
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| 07:42.15 | draeath | what i love about the eeepc bios... it will boot nearly anything |
| 07:42.38 | kamathln | liable: oh! thx.. never needed to see "rescue mode" for debian till now |
| 07:42.39 | draeath | hrm, i wonder how the rescue mode will handle my luks+lvm |
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| 07:42.50 | kamathln | draeath: ?? like what devices? |
| 07:43.16 | draeath | first, i have to do 'cryptsetup luksOpen', then load up the LVM... |
| 07:43.29 | draeath | now, every time I've done this setup grub went on and all was set up for me |
| 07:43.31 | kamathln | draeath: what can eeepc bios boot ? |
| 07:43.44 | draeath | anything usb, network, even the SD card slot |
| 07:43.46 | julian_ | i need to pair with a bluetooth device outside of an X session. are there any command line tools that can be reccommended? |
| 07:43.49 | draeath | yes, i can boot from an SD card |
| 07:43.59 | kamathln | draeath: cool! |
| 07:44.10 | julian_ | a /msg dpkg bluetooth points to http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser which only discusses gnome and KDE support. |
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| 07:44.20 | kamathln | draeath: i think their next step is to boot cd from a loopback file on the hdd ;-) |
| 07:44.35 | draeath | kamathln: heh can already do that with grub |
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| 07:44.54 | kamathln | draeath: grub never ceased too amaze me |
| 07:45.17 | kamathln | s/too/to |
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| 07:45.25 | julian_ | notes grub's practically an OS in itself |
| 07:45.43 | draeath | ok, firing up rescue mode. here goes |
| 07:46.06 | kamathln | julian_: i remember using the "cat" to get someone's phone number from ext2 partition, before booting into windows |
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| 07:46.57 | kamathln | draeath: you should try minix in a vm .. the OS does not shut down the machine.. it returns control back to the boot loader! |
| 07:47.00 | julian_ | kamathln: precisely that sort of use case i refer to.. |
| 07:47.04 | liable | julian_: this might help for pairing from cli .. http://www.linux.ie/articles/bluetoothheadset.php |
| 07:47.20 | draeath | Good... rescue mode found the LUKS and is asking for the pass |
| 07:47.22 | julian_ | liable: thanks |
| 07:47.27 | liable | its a bit old now |
| 07:47.38 | julian_ | clicks |
| 07:47.45 | kamathln | anyone for my wifi blues ? |
| 07:47.59 | draeath | I dont see anything about grub |
| 07:48.13 | draeath | it's asking me if i want a shell in the installer environ, in the target system, or to reboot |
| 07:48.21 | liable | did you type 'rescue' at the installer prompt? |
| 07:48.24 | draeath | Which is where I was at with the otehr rescue cd |
| 07:48.33 | draeath | liable: i chose 'rescue mode' from the menu |
| 07:48.51 | draeath | This is lenny RC2, fyi |
| 07:49.02 | liable | try rescue as a prompt |
| 07:49.05 | julian_ | liable: yes, that one points to bluez-pin which isn't provided by bluez-utils anymore.. perhaps with cli bluetooth pairing lacking i will have to write a utility myself. |
| 07:49.27 | draeath | alright, ill try |
| 07:49.58 | liable | julian_: id be surprised if you cant do it somehow from cli anymore |
| 07:50.23 | draeath | liable: note that i don't need to just install grub. All the /boot/grub stuff that the debian-installer sets up, didn't happen |
| 07:50.33 | draeath | liable: i can load the MBR myself, that's not the problem |
| 07:50.38 | julian_ | liable: i would be do. |
| 07:50.43 | julian_ | that said i'm reading a lot of other people also failing to find a way out there. |
| 07:51.03 | julian_ | s/do/to |
| 07:52.03 | draeath | liable: no change, 'rescue' just puts me back with the option to start a shell |
| 07:52.10 | draeath | liable: which is handy, but not what I need |
| 07:52.18 | liable | odd |
| 07:52.34 | kamathln | draeath: do you have a seperate boot partition ? |
| 07:52.37 | liable | i'm sure i saw that as a rescue option last time i was poking around in it |
| 07:52.37 | draeath | hrm let me 'go back' a few times and i see the main menu |
| 07:52.40 | draeath | kamathln: yes |
| 07:52.44 | draeath | let me try now... |
| 07:52.57 | draeath | (had to go back a bunch of times to get to the master installer menu, that you get in expert mode) |
| 07:53.58 | draeath | bah wants me to partition again |
| 07:54.06 | draeath | lets see what happens if i tell it to use whats there without formatting |
| 07:54.26 | liable | it'll reinstall everything |
| 07:54.33 | draeath | dangit |
| 07:54.40 | draeath | stupid lilo |
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| 07:55.05 | draeath | whatever. ill just do-over and strangle it till it puts grub on instead :P |
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| 07:55.14 | draeath | no biggy, we have a 10gbit pipe here |
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| 07:56.27 | draeath | irritating. not sure why lilo is still around on x86 |
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| 07:57.38 | bolt | what has to happen to a autofs filesystem to prevent it from timing out? i set timeout=30, but when i am browsing around the filesystem with just ls and cd, it will disconnect and reconnect itself. is the timeout just how long it will stay mounted from first mount, regardless of whether i'm using it or not? |
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| 08:01.52 | halflife08 | bolt: increase the timeout to a large value 30seconds is way too small |
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| 08:02.08 | halflife08 | if you are running into problems like you are facing |
| 08:02.17 | draeath | decides to use 'expert' mode, since he's doing such strange things anyways |
| 08:02.24 | halflife08 | this is a recommendatio if it is a not a production server |
| 08:03.43 | xoz | bolt: timeout=300 |
| 08:03.53 | julian_ | liable: from what i read the only known bluetooth pairing cli app, bluez-pin, is only available as source now. the only other options for pairing on Linux are for gnome and or KDE users. |
| 08:04.00 | xoz | bolt: that is the default in /etc/default/autofs |
| 08:04.07 | halflife08 | bolt: setting it to zero disables it but, dont recommend it since it defects the purpose of autofs |
| 08:04.18 | liable | julian_: wonder why they dropped it? |
| 08:04.22 | xoz | bolt: 30 is too soon |
| 08:04.24 | liable | julian_: sounds a bit strange |
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| 08:04.34 | draeath | julian_: there's obex? |
| 08:04.45 | julian_ | liable: i don't know. it was a useful little utility, shipped with bluez-utils |
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| 08:04.53 | draeath | never used though. can't say i've ever used bluetooth |
| 08:05.01 | julian_ | draeath: doesn't seem to actually perform the pairing. does everything else. |
| 08:05.31 | liable | hmm, i paired my mobile about a year ago without problems |
| 08:05.38 | julian_ | me too.. |
| 08:05.49 | liable | i think i had to make it pair with my laptop, not my laptop with my mobile |
| 08:05.49 | julian_ | i don't use KDE or Gnome back then either. |
| 08:05.57 | julian_ | s/don\'t/didn\'t/ |
| 08:06.33 | liable | doing so with a headset or something would be problematic though |
| 08:07.13 | draeath | shame i don't know anything about bluetooth. sounds like a good project for a newbie |
| 08:07.16 | draeath | (cli for pairing) |
| 08:07.19 | julian_ | liable: if you want to transfer files to the phone you have to have an application on the laptop that prompts for a key code. the phone will ask you to enter one on the phone and then do the same on the laptop. |
| 08:07.37 | julian_ | draeath: i'm considering just writing a little app in Python or C to do it for me. |
| 08:07.51 | liable | julian_: no, i just had the pin in a config file, and the phone paired |
| 08:08.03 | julian_ | liable: right. perhaps that's an option. i'll explore that. |
| 08:08.07 | draeath | ah, same boat as wpa_supplicant was |
| 08:08.24 | draeath | where it would work if you set up the config file, but there was no way to just up and connect like you could with WEP |
| 08:08.32 | liable | wpa_cli is available |
| 08:08.42 | draeath | it wasn't previously |
| 08:08.52 | draeath | i just discovered wpa_passphrase also |
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| 08:09.22 | liable | its been available for ages |
| 08:09.49 | kj4 | see you all later, time for sleep |
| 08:10.05 | draeath | meh, i've been using network-manager for ages now ;) |
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| 08:10.34 | liable | i mean the kind of ages since before NM was even a twinkle in its devs eye ;) |
| 08:11.43 | draeath | wpa_cli requries you to have the passphrase set up in the config file, doesn't it? |
| 08:12.09 | liable | nope |
| 08:12.38 | liable | it isnt particularly friendly, but its 100% interactive |
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| 08:14.28 | o2T7 | Hi, I'm creating a debian package. After creating all (I do think so) the required files for it under "debian/", I chose pbuilder as tool for creating the chroot environment, but I'm not sure if it is the right election since my application includes a graphical frontend. My question is, is it possible to test graphical programs under the chroot environment created by pbuilder? |
| 08:16.05 | liable | you just build it, not use the package in the pbuilder chroot |
| 08:17.26 | o2T7 | liable: oh, ok, then. So the testing must be necessarily done in a production(or installed) system? |
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| 08:19.22 | o2T7 | liable: Do you mean, build and install? |
| 08:19.25 | liable | o2T7: you can test the install in a chroot, i guess you could even test the app in the chroot connecting to the host xserver, but i dont see why you would go through that much trouble. |
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| 08:19.38 | cousin_luigi | hi!:) |
| 08:19.53 | o2T7 | liable: you're right |
| 08:21.14 | o2T7 | thanks :) |
| 08:21.50 | liable | o2T7: pbuilder is mostly to make sure its built in a clean environment, not really for testing the app |
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| 08:23.15 | o2T7 | I see, that way I can see any unchecked dependecies and so on. Thank you very much. |
| 08:23.29 | liable | yw |
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| 08:34.37 | julian_ | wonders why dpkg is using literal metaphors: "bluetooth is, like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/" |
| 08:35.02 | julian_ | is dpkg an American school kid? |
| 08:35.19 | Guerin | !irritate julian_ |
| 08:35.19 | dpkg | julian_: wenas how does I run teh grafixx windows kthx |
| 08:35.38 | liable | where is penix |
| 08:36.07 | cake_ | anyone experienced the libgnutls13 upgrade not allowing v1 CAs "feature" yet ? |
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| 08:36.47 | liable | cake_: i thought we covered this yesterday? looks like a wontfix due to it not being the correct thing in the first place |
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| 08:39.17 | cake_ | liable: im still looking for a solution as to how i can generate a certificate that can be trusted |
| 08:40.22 | liable | cake_: ping the bug report? |
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| 08:41.44 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:42.44 | cake_ | liable: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/69ebe3e3c04b0613/7b66b6b1257ad01d?lnk=raot |
| 08:43.15 | cake_ | seems they are still discussing what to do |
| 08:43.27 | cake_ | my ldap auth system is still broken on the boxes i upgraded |
| 08:43.41 | akin | which gnome version does lenny have? |
| 08:44.01 | dimir | It was an accident!!!!!!!!!1111111 http://dimir.eu/fun/i-accidentallythe-whole-economy.jpg |
| 08:46.21 | julian_ | Guerin: hehe |
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| 08:50.25 | jarda-wien | hello |
| 08:50.52 | jarda-wien | does anybody use encfs or mount fuse filesystems via fstab? |
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| 08:56.58 | SunnyDP | jarda-not really |
| 08:57.14 | SunnyDP | i will start using ext4 soon |
| 08:57.20 | SunnyDP | real soon |
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| 08:58.05 | taneli | linux-image 2.6.26-13 pauses often for ~1 minute, -12 did not, anyone else seeing this? |
| 08:58.06 | maligor | just remember grub doesn't understand it afaik :P |
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| 08:58.37 | maligor | haven't checked very recently tho |
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| 09:00.18 | jarda-wien | well the thing is that I am trying to mount it via fstab at boot, with mout -a it works, but it doesn't get mounted at boot.... what could be the reson for that? |
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| 09:01.33 | maligor | jarda-wien, maybe mounts are handled before udev |
| 09:02.18 | maligor | but now that I think about it, it might not make much sense |
| 09:02.34 | maligor | it needs the /dev/fuse anyway |
| 09:03.44 | jarda-wien | I guess I will take a look into initscripts |
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| 09:04.29 | jarda-wien | maligor: but thanks for pointing me somewhere, I didn't know where to start |
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| 09:04.59 | maligor | or maybe the fuse drivers require some sort of registration, but dunno |
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| 09:05.14 | maligor | I'd imagine that'd just be done on the mount command sw level |
| 09:05.59 | jarda-wien | maligor: and you wouldn't know of any #fuse channel would you |
| 09:06.12 | maligor | unless it's #fuse, no :P |
| 09:06.26 | maligor | you could ask on the linux kernel channel |
| 09:06.40 | maligor | but dunno how intopic they think it would be |
| 09:06.55 | maligor | not really a kernel issue that |
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| 09:07.00 | Ip_Man | is it good to mount /usr as XFS on a low performance laptop? |
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| 09:09.04 | jarda-wien | maligor: well thanks anyway :-) |
| 09:09.21 | maligor | Ip_Man, because it doesn't do boot fsck? :P |
| 09:09.55 | Ip_Man | because of benchmarks |
| 09:10.06 | Ip_Man | reiser wins, but |
| 09:10.16 | Ip_Man | when usr is used intensively |
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| 09:10.38 | rootmos | how to i tell aptitute to just get the package from a differnt source than |
| 09:10.39 | rootmos | +the official debian archive? I have updated sources.list but when there is an |
| 09:10.46 | rootmos | +update in lenny it also updates my package |
| 09:10.52 | maligor | Ip_Man, I wouldn't use reiser anywhere |
| 09:11.00 | Ip_Man | why so? |
| 09:11.03 | maligor | it's unstable |
| 09:11.14 | Ip_Man | ext3 then? |
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| 09:11.19 | maligor | well, truth to tell, I never used v4 |
| 09:11.33 | maligor | but got some very interesting file corruption with v3 |
| 09:11.41 | mquin | g21 |
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| 09:12.08 | Ip_Man | it's a subnotebook, i am partitioning ssd |
| 09:12.12 | Ip_Man | so i guess |
| 09:12.16 | Ip_Man | ext3 may slow |
| 09:12.17 | sep | reiser wins ? only on vergin filesystems it degrades poorly over use. and when you loose your data becouse of reiserfs bugs you could not care less who won a artificial benchmark |
| 09:12.25 | Ip_Man | the whole perfomance |
| 09:12.40 | maligor | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 seems to say JFS would have low cpu |
| 09:13.02 | liable | seeing as its on ssb and probably a usb bus, does FS really matter? |
| 09:13.14 | liable | s/ssb/SD/ |
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| 09:13.26 | sep | ext3 is slow becouse it have conservative (safe) defaults. you can happily tune ext3 to be faster but you would have to pay attention to the issues you might run into. eg the need for a UPS and such |
| 09:13.31 | Ip_Man | mini pci-e |
| 09:13.43 | maligor | but it says jfs has higher latency for some ops :P |
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| 09:14.09 | maligor | sep, for a laptop that's not exactly a 'missing feature' :P |
| 09:14.13 | pivot_ | is there a way todisable syslog-logging for one single cronjob? i want syslog to records cronjobs of course, but there is one single entry i do not want to be logged.. |
| 09:14.25 | sep | if it's a ssd one would perhaps want a filesystem that minimices writes to avoid wear |
| 09:14.27 | simonrvn | maligor: jfs has lower cpu usage than xfs, but more than ext3 |
| 09:14.45 | sep | there are special flash filessystems too |
| 09:14.51 | liable | the wear thing is a bit of a misnomer |
| 09:14.56 | maligor | everything's a compromise eh |
| 09:15.04 | Ip_Man | so, any advices on how to set mount points, having fast 4 GB, 16 gb ssd and 900 mhz cpu? (: |
| 09:15.21 | Ip_Man | i am still in doubt \= |
| 09:15.21 | maligor | ext3 is the most tested stuff anyway tho |
| 09:15.36 | simonrvn | and ext4 is rather nice too |
| 09:15.48 | draeath | ext2 if you want to minimize writes |
| 09:15.48 | maligor | yeah, easy to upgrade to ext4 from ext3 |
| 09:15.55 | liable | Ip_Man: the eee's drive combo makes a good setup for / on the 4g and /home on the 16 |
| 09:16.01 | simonrvn | oh it is? cool |
| 09:16.10 | draeath | while it shouldn't matter nowdays, the journaling of all the newer FSs could impact lifetime |
| 09:16.13 | simonrvn | no need for mkfs ? |
| 09:16.14 | Ip_Man | i am not sure that |
| 09:16.20 | maligor | simonrvn, heh, it involves mounting the ext3 as ext4 |
| 09:16.21 | Ip_Man | 4 gb is enough |
| 09:16.25 | Ip_Man | for me |
| 09:16.26 | liable | it is |
| 09:16.27 | Ip_Man | :P |
| 09:16.28 | draeath | statistically though, you have to really go psycho on a flash drive to have it die any time during your lifetime |
| 09:16.40 | maligor | simonrvn, it'll become ext3-incompatible tho afaik |
| 09:16.42 | liable | well, unless you install a bucketload of shit |
| 09:16.48 | draeath | liable: har, my eeepc has 8/32 |
| 09:16.54 | Ip_Man | i like shit -_- |
| 09:16.55 | simonrvn | maligor: do i need to set some extra fs flags, or other preparation? |
| 09:17.17 | maligor | simonrvn, well, never saw anything that pointed to that |
| 09:17.33 | simonrvn | ok. i'll do some reearch. thanks |
| 09:17.35 | maligor | simonrvn, if you want to keep ext3 compability, you'd have to disable some fs features |
| 09:17.49 | maligor | like extents |
| 09:18.03 | liable | draeath: the 32 is flash? |
| 09:18.06 | simonrvn | yeh, i noticed some features 4 has that 3 doesn't (man mkfs.ext4) |
| 09:18.13 | simonrvn | yeh, i enabled those on the one part. |
| 09:18.16 | draeath | liable: 8 is flash soldered to the MB, its slightly faster. |
| 09:18.24 | liable | and the 32? |
| 09:18.28 | draeath | the 32 is a mini PCI-E type bus, with a big SSD plugged in |
| 09:18.41 | maligor | I'm very tempted to move my disks to ext4 but I'll just wait a bit more :P |
| 09:18.42 | Ip_Man | and finally i decided to mount 4gb at / and 16 at /home all in ext3 |
| 09:18.49 | draeath | liable: so ya, flash |
| 09:18.57 | draeath | liable: but upgradable/replaceable |
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| 09:19.03 | Ip_Man | i suspect it is the best way |
| 09:19.09 | draeath | same with memory, and even my wireless |
| 09:19.14 | Ip_Man | thx and sorry for my english |
| 09:19.24 | simonrvn | your english is fine |
| 09:19.27 | liable | Ip_Man: thats how i have my 901, its fine for my purposes |
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| 09:19.57 | Ip_Man | i think 901 is the best in eee model line |
| 09:20.00 | draeath | I like to have the 8gb as /, and put the 32 on /usr. I then move /home under /usr and symlink it (like freeBSD does) |
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| 09:20.18 | maligor | the whole netbook stuff seem to have spiraled out of control, now you can get a lot better laptops for the price of one of them :P |
| 09:20.29 | simonrvn | on another note, i managed to migrate the hosted sites to lighttpd. works as advertised ;p. |
| 09:20.43 | maligor | they should just get those ARM based versions (with linux!) out already |
| 09:20.47 | simonrvn | still doesn't get the netbook craze |
| 09:21.04 | draeath | maligor: i have a $400 netbook. it has 40gb of space, 802.11n, bluetooth, 10" screen, a 1.6ghz intel atom with hyperthread, and intel graphics. |
| 09:21.12 | draeath | that's pretty dang good for $400. |
| 09:21.17 | simonrvn | oh arm is nice. |
| 09:21.19 | Ip_Man | its light weight and small |
| 09:21.24 | draeath | and yes, the battery lasts between 5 and 7 hours, use depending |
| 09:21.32 | draeath | (and charges from empty in about 30m) |
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| 09:21.37 | liable | i have two, and i dont use them much except for working for debian-eeepc, they are great if you travel a lot. good for airports |
| 09:21.40 | maligor | simonrvn, well, it's the same as the old ultrasmall PC craze except with cheaper components |
| 09:21.43 | simonrvn | draeath: O_O |
| 09:21.57 | simonrvn | 30 min charge? nice |
| 09:22.00 | liable | the 901 has awsome battery life |
| 09:22.04 | simonrvn | maligor: yeh |
| 09:22.05 | draeath | I was suprised on the charge time |
| 09:22.10 | Ip_Man | good for wardriving with standart atheros wlan-card replaced |
| 09:22.10 | Guerin | i'm totally going to buy one of those and convert my T42 to a redundant-power router |
| 09:22.13 | Ip_Man | )) |
| 09:22.19 | maligor | ARM's would have even more incredible battery life |
| 09:22.21 | draeath | it takes much longer if you have it running while you charge though, but charges quickly when off or suspended |
| 09:22.22 | Guerin | hmm, now, what to do with my RAID .... |
| 09:22.27 | simonrvn | maligor: yeh |
| 09:22.34 | maligor | the soc's are ~2W-4W with most subsystems integrated |
| 09:22.39 | draeath | maligor: most of the power gets used by the atom's supporting chipset ;) |
| 09:22.48 | simonrvn | i'd go for a ppc or arm variant |
| 09:23.06 | maligor | And! You CAN'T install windows on it... except Windows CE |
| 09:23.10 | simonrvn | my mp3 player is an arm |
| 09:23.11 | maligor | definately a bonus :P |
| 09:23.23 | maligor | my cellphone is a dualcore arm |
| 09:23.27 | draeath | heh i used to have a sparc |
| 09:23.33 | draeath | no microsoft for that one |
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| 09:24.16 | simonrvn | dumb part is that it supports ogg, jpeg, mp3, wma, png, and something else, but the manuf. crippled it (in the ui) :( |
| 09:24.30 | draeath | simonrvn: i have a v1 sansa e200r, with rockbox |
| 09:24.34 | simonrvn | draeath: 32 or 64? |
| 09:24.35 | draeath | all crippling has been removed |
| 09:24.46 | simonrvn | express here |
| 09:24.51 | draeath | simonrvn: don't remember, it was an ultrasparc II |
| 09:24.55 | maligor | simonrvn, yeah, I've been looking for a new mp3 player but they all seem to have critical flaws :P |
| 09:24.59 | simonrvn | 32 iirc |
| 09:25.06 | jan247 | hi guys. i got a flash drive that i want to reset to clear everything in.. i tried using parted but i can't remove the damn partition. reporting an i/o error.. |
| 09:25.09 | jan247 | any tips? |
| 09:25.14 | draeath | maligor: get an old sansa e200 (not v2) and put rockbox on it :D |
| 09:25.33 | draeath | jan247: try 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever' and WATCH THE TYPING |
| 09:25.42 | draeath | no responsibility if you wipe your HD instead :P |
| 09:25.50 | jan247 | hehe. great, thanks |
| 09:26.00 | draeath | note if you just want to wipe the MBR and tables |
| 09:26.08 | draeath | add 'bs=512 count=1' to that command |
| 09:26.11 | simonrvn | draeath: the silly thing about my player is that the soc manuf. has linux dev. stuff easily available. wouldn't be too hard for someone with clue to port it to rockbox. |
| 09:26.16 | draeath | just the mbr, bs=404 |
| 09:26.20 | maligor | why would anyone want to wipe MBR and tables?-) |
| 09:26.30 | simonrvn | i don't have that sort of clue required. |
| 09:26.34 | maligor | oh.. i/o error? |
| 09:26.45 | draeath | jan247: wait, i/o error? |
| 09:26.52 | jan247 | yeah.. |
| 09:26.59 | draeath | jan247: flash drive's firmware (there's a controller chip) won't let you |
| 09:27.11 | jan247 | ah.. i see |
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| 09:27.19 | draeath | you COULD short out the right pins on the flash chip and zero it... |
| 09:27.33 | draeath | but then since the controller won't let you write to the table... you will end up with a useless drive |
| 09:27.34 | liable | that sounds like a bad idea |
| 09:27.48 | jan247 | hmm.. i see.. |
| 09:28.05 | draeath | call the stick's maker, and complain ;) |
| 09:28.10 | maligor | didn't know flashdrives blocked that stuff |
| 09:28.23 | draeath | jan247: is it one of those crazy sticks with the autorun menu etc? |
| 09:28.29 | maligor | ofcourse I just tend to use CF cards for everything |
| 09:28.32 | jan247 | hehe.. fat32 as expected. but i can't erase some files. |
| 09:28.38 | jan247 | yeah, autorun stuff |
| 09:28.42 | draeath | whats it called |
| 09:28.47 | liable | sony i bet |
| 09:28.49 | jan247 | my friend's actually.. she fears that it's a virus.. |
| 09:28.58 | draeath | having a braincramp and cant remember. think it starts with U |
| 09:29.05 | valdyn | jan247: fat32 is a filesystem, if thats your issue then you dont need to mess with partitions |
| 09:29.05 | jan247 | i'm not sure myself if it is. |
| 09:29.09 | jan247 | pqi |
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| 09:29.24 | jan247 | yeah. but i can't delete the files in the flahs drive |
| 09:29.31 | maligor | maybe the files just have system or read-only set?-) |
| 09:29.33 | draeath | Well, the one I had (comes on cruser mini's) the manufacteror has a tool to wipe all that out and turn it vanilla |
| 09:29.39 | jan247 | i thought i could just start anew.. |
| 09:29.55 | draeath | but it's a crappy tool that wipes the first drive it sees, and doesn't warn you. I lost an unintended flash drive to that :X |
| 09:30.03 | valdyn | !listkey flash |
| 09:30.06 | valdyn | !listkeys flash |
| 09:30.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'flash' by key (15 of 42): _default click to play flash ;; _default flash ;; _default flash bios ;; _default flash plug ;; _default flashplugin-nonfree ;; _default text in flash ;; adobe flash ;; adobe flash testing ;; click to play flash ;; css flash killer ;; flash ;; flash freeze ;; flash plugin ;; flash64beta ;; flashplugin. |
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| 09:30.18 | jan247 | oh, hehe. lemme check if this one has |
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| 09:30.21 | draeath | valdyn: wrong flash |
| 09:30.41 | valdyn | draeath: dpkg'S KI is limited |
| 09:30.44 | draeath | jan247: i would make sure you disconnect all other flash (external even) drives just in case |
| 09:30.45 | valdyn | draeath: dpkg'S AI is limited |
| 09:30.52 | simonrvn | draeath: i started a page on the sansa express port on the rockbox wiki if you're interested. |
| 09:30.52 | enouf | u3 ? |
| 09:30.57 | maligor | ahha! there be no flash64beta, it's 'alpha' :P |
| 09:31.01 | enouf | launchpad crap? |
| 09:31.08 | enouf | !u3 |
| 09:31.08 | dpkg | u3 is, like, a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS in some part |
| 09:31.09 | draeath | maligor: yea, get it from adobe labs |
| 09:31.13 | jan247 | hehe, tnx for the warning |
| 09:31.18 | draeath | U3 is removable!!! |
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| 09:31.24 | draeath | i think you need windows though. the U3 website has a tool |
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| 09:31.53 | draeath | maligor: i've had no issues with 64-bit flash 10 alpha. you just stick it in ~/.mozilla/plugins (it's just a .tar.gz of a .so file) |
| 09:32.30 | maligor | draeath, I know, aside from being slow as heck in fullscreen for video |
| 09:32.33 | draeath | that said I don't use flash beyond passive crap on websites, and youtube style things. i don't play games etc |
| 09:32.45 | maligor | I mean painfully slow.. it starts draining my cpu like there's no end |
| 09:32.46 | draeath | maligor: the 32b one is too. i think its a problem with linux flash |
| 09:32.53 | valdyn | 64-bit 'alpha' works better than 32-bit with nspluginwrapper, anyway |
| 09:33.07 | draeath | maligor: it doesn't use xv or something, like it should, and draws in a stupid manner |
| 09:33.47 | maligor | yeah, someone should petition google to move to JavaFX :P |
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| 09:34.04 | Gruelius | If the transfer speeds decline over time, what would that indicate (too small of a buffer or something) |
| 09:34.06 | draeath | I say we abolish non-svg-style animation completely |
| 09:34.26 | draeath | friends don't let friends use actionscript :) |
| 09:34.27 | valdyn | Gruelius: nothing at all |
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| 09:34.38 | Gruelius | valdyn: in general |
| 09:34.39 | Gruelius | lol |
| 09:35.03 | Guerin | Gruelius: likely indicates over-optimistic time-calculation algorithms |
| 09:35.07 | Gruelius | lol |
| 09:35.14 | Guerin | no, seriously |
| 09:35.18 | Gruelius | nah i understand |
| 09:35.22 | valdyn | Gruelius: if transfer speeds decline over time, then that does not indicate anything at all except that transfer speeds decline over time |
| 09:35.27 | Gruelius | lol |
| 09:35.37 | Gruelius | if i ask a samba related question will i get booted to #samba? |
| 09:35.40 | Gruelius | :p |
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| 09:35.54 | Guerin | Gruelius: yes. |
| 09:35.54 | maligor | a really small buffer would make the transfer speeds drop fast if it gets saturated |
| 09:36.00 | valdyn | Gruelius: if you ask vagueley you will not help at all, ever |
| 09:36.02 | maligor | not gradually |
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| 09:36.15 | zzattack | valdyn, we talked about my slow disk two days ago (my system becomes super slow and routing services start failing). it seems the disk itself is quite fast. do you know any more tests that I can run? |
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| 09:36.34 | valdyn | zzattack: read dmesg |
| 09:37.00 | Gruelius | ive got a 5 disk mdadm based raid5 array with 256k chunk size, and a mdadm based raid1array. Both give fine transfer speeeds when writing/reading locally but when i use samba, clients can only pull about 10mb/sec down with samba, any ideas? |
| 09:37.07 | draeath | hrm. installer saying grub often fails or hangs when installing to an XFS /boot, asking me if i really want to continue. |
| 09:37.08 | valdyn | zzattack: are you saying that routing and your disk performance degrade at the same time? |
| 09:37.10 | zzattack | valdyn: anything I should look out for |
| 09:37.11 | draeath | I've NEVER seen that problem. |
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| 09:37.21 | maligor | zzattack, errors |
| 09:37.26 | maligor | I/O errors mostly |
| 09:37.41 | Gruelius | im thinking its something to do with debian because i didnt get the issue with the same array and samba conf on ubuntu server |
| 09:37.42 | valdyn | zzattack: dmesg doesnt get new stuff at all, usually, unless you hotplug hardware or there is something wrong |
| 09:37.43 | zzattack | valdyn: when there's a lot of disk IO, clients in the lan cannot use the internet anymore, even dhcp leases fail |
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| 09:38.03 | valdyn | zzattack: oh, didnt we talk about that issue already? |
| 09:38.10 | bolt | xoz: but even with 30, it shouldn't disconnect, should it? i mean, if I set it to 300, will it then disconnect and reconnect every 300 seconds instead? |
| 09:38.31 | zzattack | valdyn, yeah we did, but I'm quite sure it's not about failing networking hardwawre |
| 09:38.33 | valdyn | zzattack: i told you to check if ping works while dhcp is broken |
| 09:38.49 | draeath | How do I send an install report? |
| 09:38.49 | zzattack | valdyn: ping doesnt work, as I lose my internal ip |
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| 09:39.03 | maligor | zzattack, set a static ip on the pinger |
| 09:39.06 | valdyn | zzattack: so set that ip manually |
| 09:39.09 | valdyn | zzattack: then ping |
| 09:39.10 | draeath | I want to report a good install on lenny RC2 ;) |
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| 09:39.26 | maligor | dhcp leases shouldn't drop if the dhcp server gets stuck tho |
| 09:39.35 | valdyn | zzattack: its important to know if userspace ( thats what a dhcp server is.. ) or kernel aswell ( thats sufficient to reply to pings ) fail |
| 09:39.49 | zzattack | valdyn: i'll run a test right now |
| 09:40.06 | valdyn | zzattack: did you switch nic as we discussed? |
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| 09:40.15 | zzattack | valdyn: yeah I did |
| 09:40.29 | zzattack | didnt seem to make a difference, althoguh something strange happened at first |
| 09:40.41 | valdyn | zzattack: you do have hardware issues.. |
| 09:40.44 | zzattack | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.01 | maligor | ifup? |
| 09:41.02 | bolt-work | it seems my autofs does not detect me using the file system when i'm just browsing it. it'll still disconnect it and reconnect the next time i try to cd to a directory. it does stay connected if i'm streaming a video from it or something though. is this normal behaviour? as "cd autofsmountpoint/" triggers a mount, i'd assume another cd inside the mountpoint triggered a timer reset, but it doesn't seem to do so |
| 09:41.20 | valdyn | zzattack: ifup crashing indicates towards hardware issues too |
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| 09:41.58 | zzattack | valdyn: that's pretty strange, all hardware is pretty new |
| 09:42.13 | valdyn | zzattack: who built the box? |
| 09:42.19 | zzattack | valdyn: I did |
| 09:42.37 | valdyn | zzattack: so you fucked it up |
| 09:42.50 | valdyn | zzattack: sometimes you cant mix specific components |
| 09:43.01 | zzattack | they're all pretty generic |
| 09:43.09 | valdyn | zzattack: uh? |
| 09:43.20 | valdyn | zzattack: its specific cards on a specific mainboard |
| 09:43.59 | valdyn | zzattack: play without network, compile a kernel and run memtest86, see if you get issues |
| 09:44.49 | zzattack | valdyn: the networking that starts failing isnt all that goes wrong |
| 09:44.55 | zzattack | gdm also becomes useless |
| 09:45.02 | valdyn | zzattack: sure |
| 09:45.14 | valdyn | zzattack: im telling you to play without network for a reason |
| 09:46.24 | valdyn | zzattack: you either have a specific broken component or something isnt properly connected or you ran into a hardware incompatibility |
| 09:47.09 | valdyn | zzattack: so what you need to do is to get an issue you can reproduce without involving that many components |
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| 09:47.16 | zzattack | valdyn: the pinging to other clients on the switch is fast, to the host is slow (avg 24ms) |
| 09:47.20 | valdyn | zzattack: like without network |
| 09:47.38 | valdyn | zzattack: so like memtest86 or compiling a kernel |
| 09:47.52 | valdyn | zzattack: once you got an issue without network, you remove hardware components and try again |
| 09:48.13 | valdyn | zzattack: if you cannot get an issue without network, then its got to be a network hardware issue |
| 09:48.14 | Zharf | well this is interesting... I put mount --bind /mnt/music /home/eclipser/music to /etc/rc.local.. it worked fine for a while but now it seems that it gets executed before my samba mount gets mounted on /mnt/music resulting in empty directory |
| 09:48.14 | zzattack | these tasks always run quite fine |
| 09:48.23 | Zharf | any ideas as to why? |
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| 09:48.31 | valdyn | zzattack: which tasks? |
| 09:48.52 | zzattack | valdyn: kernel compilation and memtest |
| 09:49.08 | valdyn | zzattack: so remove one nic completely and test the network stuff |
| 09:49.36 | SPF | how can I find out what distro I'm running (lenny/sarge) ? |
| 09:49.46 | zzattack | valdyn: but dont i need both nics for that |
| 09:50.07 | valdyn | zzattack: why would you need both nics for tests involving just one nic? |
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| 09:50.32 | zzattack | valdyn: it's the internet on clients in the lan that starts failing. without 2 nics I can't test that. |
| 09:50.43 | valdyn | zzattack: and dhcp isnt failing? |
| 09:50.54 | valdyn | zzattack: why would you need 2 nics to test dhcp? |
| 09:51.43 | zzattack | valdyn: ok |
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| 09:52.26 | Seldaek | heya, any idea why my .bashrc (and .bash_profile it seems) are not executed when I login (ssh/putty) on my server? |
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| 09:52.35 | valdyn | zzattack: the way to test this without removing components is doing in kernel timing analysis, thats way more difficult |
| 09:52.42 | Seldaek | also in screen when I create a new wnidow I have to use source .bashrc to load my config:/ |
| 09:52.52 | doudou | Hi, you can call me ban 10 |
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| 09:53.30 | valdyn | Seldaek: bash_profile is read on each login |
| 09:53.38 | doudou | well i want some informations about debain etch and ironpython, how to install? |
| 09:54.12 | valdyn | Seldaek: but bashrc only for non-login bashes |
| 09:54.18 | doudou | Is my friend Maulkin at the coffee machine? |
| 09:54.47 | valdyn | Seldaek: that is why debians .bash_profile contains code to read .bashrc too |
| 09:55.01 | valdyn | Seldaek: maybe yours does not? |
| 09:55.16 | zzattack2 | valdyn: will disabling the interfaces be enough or should I remove them? |
| 09:55.30 | zzattack2 | valdyn: one is on the motherboard so that onecant be removed btw |
| 09:55.34 | valdyn | zzattack2: if issues dont go away then you cant know |
| 09:55.37 | doudou | aptitude search iron |
| 09:55.56 | valdyn | zzattack2: but if issues do go away then disabling obviously was enough |
| 09:56.11 | Seldaek | valdyn: well it contained ". ~/.bashrc" which didn't work, so I changed to "source ~/.bashrc" but that didn't help.. also I tried an echo in there with no luck |
| 09:56.17 | Seldaek | it really seems nothing is ran |
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| 09:57.16 | icenine | wtf does debian open a terminal to launch browser pointed to by /etc/atlternatives/www-browser |
| 09:57.28 | icenine | rather, why does my xchat do it |
| 09:57.33 | zzattack2 | valdyn: nothing turns up in dmesg during massive disk IO |
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| 09:59.03 | rvsjoen | Seldaek : is it a bash shell ^_^ ? |
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| 10:08.06 | zzattack2 | valdyn: dhcp fails on either NIC. I disabled the onboard one from the mobo, I fysically removed the other one |
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| 10:08.25 | Gruelius | is 256k too large of a chunk size for a 5 disk mdadm raid5 array? |
| 10:08.54 | zzattack2 | valdyn: nothing shows up in dmesg, performance doesnt drop immediately but only about 2/3rd into the unarchiving process |
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| 10:09.04 | Gruelius | because im getting bad performance issues :( |
| 10:09.09 | tapas | hi, what's the easiest way to temporarily disable an init script? |
| 10:09.26 | tapas | chjange the first letter of the name to something which is not "S" or "K" |
| 10:09.37 | tapas | [the name of the symlink that is] |
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| 10:12.21 | bolt-work | it seems my autofs does not detect me using the file system when i'm just browsing it. it'll still disconnect it and reconnect the next time i try to cd to a directory. it does stay connected if i'm streaming a video from it or something though. is this normal behaviour? as "cd autofsmountpoint/" triggers a mount, i'd assume another cd inside the mountpoint triggered a timer reset, but it doesn't seem to do so |
| 10:12.23 | icenine | tapas, update-rc.d service remove |
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| 10:14.00 | tapas | icenine: will renaming the symlink work too? |
| 10:14.11 | streuner_ | no |
| 10:14.14 | icenine | tapas, why would you do something like that when the system provides you an organized way to do it |
| 10:15.10 | tapas | icenine: because then i can just rename them back without forgetting one, once i need the services again |
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| 10:15.32 | tapas | streuner_: was that an answer to me? |
| 10:15.43 | streuner_ | no |
| 10:15.48 | icenine | I am sure there is some sort of standard place that accomplishes the same goal |
| 10:16.00 | icenine | i'll read the script, hold on |
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| 10:16.09 | tapas | icenine: thanks :) |
| 10:16.15 | enouf | tapas: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 10:16.23 | streuner_ | tapas: why not just remove the symlink and later if needed re-install package? |
| 10:16.36 | streuner_ | sure, rcconf is easy |
| 10:16.48 | tapas | streuner_: well, if i renamed iot from S20foobar to nononono_S20fooabr ;) |
| 10:17.01 | icenine | lazy hack |
| 10:17.04 | enouf | neener neener? |
| 10:17.10 | streuner_ | tapas: look at rcconf |
| 10:17.11 | tapas | i would be hardpressed to forget it once want to restore it :) |
| 10:17.12 | enouf | !ignore me |
| 10:17.12 | dpkg | sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, enouf" |
| 10:17.31 | streuner_ | /ignore enouf all |
| 10:17.37 | icenine | tapas, doing stuff like that inevitably leads to a pile of trash computer |
| 10:17.43 | streuner_ | enouf: :-P |
| 10:17.57 | enouf | tapas: issues can arise once you consider all the symlinks/runlevels, and various S and K scripts |
| 10:18.13 | enouf | heh |
| 10:18.23 | tapas | icenine: well, like i said, this is temporary.. i do understand that you want me to look at the "debian" way of doing this.. and i am already looking.. |
| 10:18.29 | icenine | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.37 | icenine | tapas, not the debian way |
| 10:18.37 | tapas | i still wonder whether renaming the file does have the desired effect, too.. |
| 10:18.42 | icenine | tapas, the "right" way |
| 10:18.46 | doudou | I lost the command to tell x that .pdf should be handle by xpdf app. The command was so strange that i forgot to record it, i was something like aptitude ...reconfigure or something |
| 10:18.55 | icenine | tapas, if the toilet was closer than the washing machine, would ou wash your shirt in it? |
| 10:18.56 | enouf | tapas: you might want to play with the file-rc pkg it would seem - please read all relevant docs prior |
| 10:19.01 | icenine | just because it was easier |
| 10:19.02 | enouf | icenine: haha |
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| 10:19.28 | enouf | why not piss in the sink? all the drain/waste pipes are all connected! |
| 10:19.35 | icenine | :) |
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| 10:19.54 | twisted` | Setting up rubygems1.9 (1.2.0-3) ... I'm using sid, how can this package be outdated? |
| 10:20.11 | twisted` | tryin to get sproutcore but it's too old rubygems or something |
| 10:20.31 | bolt-work | twisted`: using sid, i assume you can fix your own dependency problems? |
| 10:21.00 | enouf | likely a side-effect of /msg dpkg slushy |
| 10:21.13 | twisted` | bolt-work: well, I can prolly compile a newer package, but I'm just surprised to see that this package is too old to be used for a project that's been around for quite some time ;) |
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| 10:23.26 | twisted` | according to the project page of rubygem 1.2.0 has been out since: 2008-06-21 22:16, and the 1.3.1 since 2008-10-28 20:26 |
| 10:23.32 | twisted` | hmm unstable not so unstable anymore... |
| 10:24.27 | doudou | do you play some ignore game? |
| 10:24.55 | tapas | now i still want to know.. and mainly because noone wants to answer: will changing the first letter of the name of the symbolic link to not be S or K prevent any execution of the script in the runlevel? |
| 10:25.03 | tapas | i guess it depends on the implementation of init |
| 10:25.24 | twisted` | ah, 1.3.1 is in the experimental |
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| 10:25.30 | tapas | since judging from the documentation i read it only guarantrees a certain behaviour for the cases where the name does start with S or K |
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| 10:28.22 | orion_x11 | can I use jigdo to update a Knoppix cd? |
| 10:28.42 | sep | orion_x11, you know you are asking in a debian channel ? |
| 10:28.57 | sep | orion_x11, it's very unlikely that we would know what you can do with a knoppix cd |
| 10:29.39 | orion_x11 | sep: Knoppix is live cd for debian |
| 10:29.55 | Agiofws | hi |
| 10:29.56 | tapas | i guess noone knows.. |
| 10:30.01 | tapas | which is fine :) |
| 10:30.05 | icenine | tapas, read the script |
| 10:30.08 | Agiofws | hey is there a quick switch for dictionaries in 0pen office ? |
| 10:30.09 | Maior | !knoppix |
| 10:30.09 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems. |
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| 10:30.28 | icenine | tapas, you don't need to be an expert to understand a script.. just need to understand fundamental programming nonsense |
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| 10:30.42 | tapas | icenine: which script do you mean? |
| 10:31.01 | icenine | update-rc.d |
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| 10:31.12 | icenine | see what it DOES, when it removes and adds |
| 10:31.32 | icenine | instead of searching through the docs i rather read scripts ;d |
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| 10:31.50 | mikearthur | if I add sid and lenny to my sources.list will it default to upgrading my packages from sid or lenny? |
| 10:32.12 | tapas | icenine: well, this script tells me how this scriupt modifies the runlevels, burt it doesn't tell me about how init behaves.. only implicitly.. |
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| 10:33.13 | icenine | tapas, if you crave understanding then seek it |
| 10:33.54 | tapas | i do in case you have missed it.. i'm searching the web, looking at manpages AND i ask in irc channels.. |
| 10:34.03 | tapas | irc channels are often the least helpful, but hey i still try ;) |
| 10:34.10 | Agiofws | hey is there a quick switch for dictionaries in 0pen office ? ? |
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| 10:35.17 | orion_x11 | Sorry for asking the question then. I did not mean to hurt anyone here |
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| 10:37.15 | twisted` | how can I explain apt that it should grab a dep from the sid repository and the other from the experimental? or is editin the sources list the way to go? |
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| 10:38.29 | craigevil | what are you trying to install? |
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| 10:39.27 | twisted` | craigevil: I want to get sproutcore installed, which needs ruby and rubygems (1.3.2) |
| 10:39.58 | twisted` | I just got rubygems 1.3.1* (typo before) BUT, now it doesn't wanna cus of some lame error |
| 10:40.04 | craigevil | easiest way to do it would be to use a GUI package manager like synaptic |
| 10:40.18 | twisted` | sure except this ain't got no gui :p |
| 10:41.11 | tapas | Agiofws: i have no idea.. but a fiend of mine lately raved about how easy it is to setup shortcuts for all kinds of stuff in ooorg |
| 10:41.18 | craigevil | ah ok, installing the exp package should pull in the needed depends and if the package in sid fills that install it |
| 10:41.26 | tapas | Agiofws: so maybe there's a way to do the switch via assigned shortcuts |
| 10:41.26 | Agiofws | kk |
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| 10:41.55 | Pihhan | hello |
| 10:42.09 | twisted` | craigevil: tried that when sid was enabled but it just grabbed everything from sid, so I installed the dependencies and then commented sid from the sources and installed the rubygems |
| 10:42.19 | twisted` | tho now I'm gonna hunt down what this ruby error is |
| 10:42.29 | Pihhan | someone know if it is possible to configure "Inform Guard" UPS on linux/debian? |
| 10:43.06 | twisted` | needs dev packages... sigh... |
| 10:43.23 | craigevil | twisted`: apt-get install -t experimenal package |
| 10:43.38 | twisted` | craigevil: oh? nice, thanks |
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| 10:45.43 | icenine | tapas, i'm looking through this right now |
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| 10:45.55 | icenine | tapas, playing with init on my other box |
| 10:46.20 | ikonia | Agiofws: you've asked the same question in ##windows ##linux #debian at least - just ask in the appropriate chanel |
| 10:46.35 | icenine | tapas, apt-get source minit, try stracing /sbin/init or even use gdb.. if you want to find out how it actually selects files.. what it absolutely does |
| 10:46.45 | icenine | or read source, potentially slower. |
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| 10:47.06 | Agiofws | yeah ok |
| 10:47.19 | tapas | Agiofws: for example #openoffice.org |
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| 10:49.41 | tapas | ok, this seems like the relevant doc: "When init changes runlevel first the targets of the links whose names start with a K are executed, each with the single argument stop, followed by the scripts prefixed with an S, each with the single argument start. (The links are those in the /etc/rcn.d directory corresponding to the new runlevel.) The K links are responsible for killing services and the S link for starting services upon entering the runlevel. |
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| 10:49.47 | twisted` | ugh... debian keeps messin with me:( settin up sproutcore on osx is a blast. |
| 10:49.48 | tapas | " |
| 10:50.03 | joko | Hi... I want to install Debian Stable in a PC with ICH9. I've tried the netinst CD, however it can't detect my CD drive. Is there any workaround? |
| 10:50.33 | twisted` | joko: usb install? |
| 10:51.38 | joko | twisted`: ok, I could try USB installation (plz give me a howto), but are you sure that later on I won't have trouble detecting the disk etc.? |
| 10:51.54 | twisted` | joko: dunno bout that tho |
| 10:52.16 | twisted` | joko: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media |
| 10:52.19 | twisted` | or ur local mirror... |
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| 10:52.29 | twisted` | lemme fetch the guide... u also need an iso (netinst is fine) |
| 10:53.09 | twisted` | joko: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html |
| 10:53.25 | twisted` | joko: ur lucky, took me an hour a few weeks back to find all that :p |
| 10:53.30 | joko | twisted`: Thanks a lot... :) |
| 10:53.35 | wallunit | The installer enables you to create an encrypted volume which contains multiple virtual volumes. For some reasons i can not use the installer. So how can i do that by myself? |
| 10:53.45 | twisted` | joko: np |
| 10:53.51 | craigevil | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 10:54.36 | twisted` | craigevil: heh, I actually never noticed there were multiple 'howtos' |
| 10:54.54 | twisted` | then again, zcat won't really change... |
| 10:55.05 | craigevil | probably not much difference between the two |
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| 10:56.17 | twisted` | craigevil: etch is a bit 'friendlier' |
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| 10:56.35 | twisted` | but the actual 'commands' didn't change |
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| 10:57.22 | YAA1 | Is there an official DEBIAN ETCH repository for backports ?? (updated samba packages for example) ?? |
| 10:57.38 | craigevil | !bpo |
| 10:57.38 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 10:58.35 | YAA1 | now..THATs fast! Thanks a lot |
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| 10:59.17 | themill | judd versions samba |
| 10:59.19 | judd | themill: samba -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1 lenny: 2:3.2.5-4 sid: 2:3.2.5-4 experimental: 2:3.3.0-1 |
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| 10:59.31 | zu22 | running lenny, i deleted the default* files in /etc/apache2/sites/available/ anyway i can get them from somewhere? |
| 10:59.55 | zu22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.06 | icenine | zu22, aptitude reinstall apache2 apache2-common |
| 11:00.13 | zu22 | icenine: ok thanks |
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| 11:00.14 | icenine | back up config files |
| 11:00.14 | themill | !confmiss |
| 11:00.14 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 11:00.23 | icenine | zu22, you'll lose your configuration |
| 11:00.31 | icenine | cp -R /etc/apache2 ~/apache2.bk |
| 11:00.50 | zu22 | icenine: ok thanks! will do |
| 11:01.02 | themill | icenine: shouldn't be necessary, although that's obviously a sensible precaution |
| 11:01.24 | icenine | i am a newbie |
| 11:01.26 | icenine | to debian |
| 11:01.37 | icenine | got sick of ricing |
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| 11:02.01 | rvsjoen | Cato9021: /dev/net/tun: File descriptor in bad state < any ideas on this one, the uml page says "This is due to a header mismatch between the upgraded kernel and the kernel that was originally installed on the machine. The fix is to make sure that /usr/src/linux points to the headers for the running kernel." |
| 11:02.14 | rvsjoen | wow, s/Cato9021/cat |
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| 11:03.03 | rvsjoen | im running 2.6.26-1 and /usr/src/linux points to linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 11:06.12 | chomwitt | hi. (a newbie question) how is gnome-app-install in related to APT and apt-like apps like synaptic. Do they refer to the same repositories? |
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| 11:14.49 | icenine | tapas, |
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| 11:15.13 | icenine | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-init 2.4.3 Customizing runlevels <--- it was in the manual :( i am upset. |
| 11:15.23 | ceil420 | happy 1234567890 Day, btw |
| 11:15.24 | tapas | icenine: hm? |
| 11:15.33 | icenine | Did you read the above? |
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| 11:15.56 | icenine | ceil420, no way, it's really 1234567890 day? |
| 11:16.03 | ceil420 | yeh :) |
| 11:16.12 | ceil420 | /exec -o date -d @1234567890 |
| 11:16.13 | ceil420 | Fri Feb 13 17:31:30 CST 2009 |
| 11:16.24 | ceil420 | (s/17/23/; for UTC) |
| 11:16.48 | ceil420 | also 1234554321 |
| 11:16.57 | ceil420 | Fri Feb 13 19:45:21 UTC 2009 |
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| 11:20.11 | icenine | wow |
| 11:20.24 | icenine | i had to look up the meaning of '@' |
| 11:20.32 | icenine | that is amazing man |
| 11:20.38 | ceil420 | :p |
| 11:20.41 | icenine | why wasn't there a celebration |
| 11:20.46 | ceil420 | there is |
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| 11:21.04 | ceil420 | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/02/unix-lovers-to.html |
| 11:21.16 | ceil420 | "Celebrations are planned in San Francisco, Vancouver, Seattle, Los Angeles and about 10 other locations worldwide, so don't be surprised if it takes the guys in IT a little longer to respond to your calls tomorrow afternoon, or if the Gadget Lab crew is hard to find." |
| 11:21.17 | ceil420 | :p |
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| 11:21.58 | ceil420 | and unfortunately, i have to work now (should be a holiday <_<) |
| 11:22.00 | ceil420 | ☮.☮,\/.. |
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| 11:28.06 | szonek | how can i remotely restar sshd without rc.d or init.d script? |
| 11:28.22 | liable | why not use the script? |
| 11:28.46 | szonek | i don't have one |
| 11:28.55 | avtolfm | szonek, in debian? |
| 11:28.58 | liable | why not? |
| 11:29.22 | szonek | avtolfm: freebsd, but i thought it's the same |
| 11:29.30 | liable | wtf |
| 11:29.32 | avtolfm | szonek, freebsd is not debian |
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| 11:29.42 | avtolfm | szonek, test joining #freebsd :) |
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| 11:29.53 | szonek | i thought sshd in debian is the same as in freebsd |
| 11:30.00 | szonek | i'm already there |
| 11:30.01 | icenine | lol |
| 11:30.02 | cake_ | liable: its fixable in ldap if i dont demand that my certificate needs to be validated.. its not a "good" fix tho |
| 11:30.04 | icenine | you're kidding man |
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| 11:30.23 | liable | smells troll |
| 11:30.31 | avtolfm | szonek, they are based on the same sshd dist probably but maybe are not the same. |
| 11:30.38 | szonek | okay, sorry |
| 11:30.44 | icenine | and avtolfm takes bait |
| 11:30.47 | avtolfm | szonek, you will probably get better answers in #freebsd about freebsd |
| 11:30.47 | icenine | gogogoo troll googoogog |
| 11:30.55 | liable | cake_: unforunately i dont have any good ideas, as i dont use it. |
| 11:31.06 | avtolfm | icenine, clapping your hands yet? |
| 11:31.11 | icenine | not yet |
| 11:31.16 | avtolfm | what about now?= |
| 11:31.21 | icenine | no |
| 11:31.25 | icenine | i'm disappointed |
| 11:31.39 | avtolfm | yeah, you really should clap your hands |
| 11:31.40 | icenine | was hoping to see some action |
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| 11:34.18 | hal90000 | i uninstalled a program with rm -rf how can i get it back? |
| 11:35.02 | Maior | that's, uh, not... |
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| 11:36.15 | icenine | someone told me to use apt-get but i get apt-get: command not found |
| 11:36.27 | hal90000 | no lol |
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| 11:36.56 | hal90000 | i uninstalled firefox |
| 11:37.21 | doudou | can you tell me the command that will create a uuid to a flash disk so grub can boot on it? |
| 11:38.00 | Maior | icenine: be root |
| 11:38.22 | icenine | Maior, it was a witticism |
| 11:39.09 | sep | i have a etch server running vmware server. i want to upgrade it to lenny. and perhaps also migrate away from vmware. the guests are mostly windows server instances. what would be a well supported solution/easy to admin (i am not the only one) in lenny ? |
| 11:39.25 | sep | that allows for easy migration |
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| 11:40.22 | jelly | hal90000: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 iceweasel|tail -2" and "apt-cache madison iceweasel" |
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| 11:46.27 | hal90000 | how do i pastebin? |
| 11:47.12 | debianite | s |
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| 11:47.46 | hal90000 | jelly can i just paste it in chan |
| 11:48.09 | jelly | !paste |
| 11:48.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 11:48.31 | hal90000 | i try to go to website, and it say "browser not found" |
| 11:48.41 | Thurin1 | If anyone has experience with creating LiveCD's with Debian could you please answer this question... --- How does one make a Live-DVD? Do I simply make the iso with the typical live-cd scripts and burn the slightly larger iso to DVD? Or do I need a whole other group of scripts? |
| 11:48.46 | jelly | !pastebin pipe |
| 11:48.46 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 11:49.04 | hal90000 | how to download from website without browser plz |
| 11:49.07 | sep | ill try to rephrase: if i want to run virtual windows servers on a headless debian lenny ? what would be the best solution included in debian ? |
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| 11:49.26 | jelly | hal90000: "wget -nd http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl" |
| 11:49.32 | hal90000 | ok |
| 11:49.32 | hal90000 | thz |
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| 11:50.40 | hal90000 | bash: ./paste2pastebin.pl: Permission denied |
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| 11:51.01 | Thurin1 | If anyone has experience with creating LiveCD's with Debian could you please answer this question... --- How does one make a Live-DVD? Do I simply make the iso with the typical live-cd scripts and burn the slightly larger iso to DVD? Or do I need a whole other group of scripts? |
| 11:51.17 | jelly | hal90000: it told you to do "perl paste2pastebin.pl" |
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| 11:51.41 | ribasushi | how is lenny comming up? |
| 11:51.54 | jelly | ribasushi: topic? |
| 11:52.10 | ribasushi | I know the official status |
| 11:52.17 | ribasushi | what's the buzz in the halls? :) |
| 11:52.29 | hal90000 | jelly, ok i do. now what? |
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| 11:53.02 | jelly | hal90000: pipe the output of the wanted commands to that perl command |
| 11:53.05 | hal90000 | i did |
| 11:53.09 | hal90000 | waht now |
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| 11:53.13 | hal90000 | i think it virus |
| 11:53.15 | hal90000 | nothig happen |
| 11:53.22 | jelly | hal90000: you should have gotten an URL back. |
| 11:53.31 | hal90000 | no, i get nothing |
| 11:53.38 | hal90000 | i think it virus |
| 11:54.04 | ajcc | ribasushi: we will see tomorrow :) |
| 11:54.11 | hal90000 | i just reinstall debian now |
| 11:54.15 | hal90000 | have to get rid of virus |
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| 11:54.16 | hal90000 | bye |
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| 11:54.24 | kabotage | how do you mount ntfs? i already have 3g |
| 11:54.35 | ajcc | virus? debian? |
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| 11:55.25 | zamuro | What?! |
| 11:55.33 | Thurin1 | kabotage, You mount it with -t ntfs-3g |
| 11:55.43 | ajcc | kabotage: man ntfs-3g ? look at the end, there's usage examples |
| 11:56.03 | craigevil | a virus in debian ? hahaha :P |
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| 11:56.21 | ajcc | craigevil: yeah, hal90000 said he had to reinstall debian to get rid of a virus, I'm stunned |
| 11:56.31 | doudou | how uuid are created and by what part of system? |
| 11:56.34 | zamuro | craigevil: Hey!! This is serious! Now I'm affraid some "hacker" will check my nude photos. |
| 11:56.42 | craigevil | in wine perhaps, even crap in iceweasels cache, but i seriously doubt anything else |
| 11:56.48 | blast_hardcheese | zamuro: They're not that great |
| 11:56.49 | blast_hardcheese | ;) |
| 11:56.54 | zamuro | blast_hardcheese: :O |
| 11:57.04 | zamuro | I'll call the cops!! |
| 11:57.09 | blast_hardcheese | :< |
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| 11:57.46 | zamuro | hahahahahahahaha If there's a better way to start a day at office, I just haven't heard of it yet. |
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| 11:58.35 | blast_hardcheese | So I found this neat app called "xmacro" |
| 11:58.51 | twisted` | zamuro: as long as ur not some cute celeb, be not worried :p |
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| 11:59.04 | ajcc | the ex owner of my dslr had tons of nude pictures "delted" on the memory card, not a pleasant experience when you try to restore the pictures of your grandparents |
| 11:59.07 | zamuro | twisted`: hahahahahahha |
| 11:59.10 | ajcc | deleted |
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| 11:59.30 | twisted` | ajcc: u bought the memory with it too? |
| 11:59.36 | ajcc | I got it for free |
| 11:59.48 | twisted` | ajcc: was it owned by some cute chick? |
| 12:00.04 | craigevil | if it was that easy to get a virus in debian my system would have been compromised long ago, this install will be 5 yrs old in July, running sid with daily apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:00.19 | ajcc | nope, some gross random 20+ guy with a hairy tummy... yuck |
| 12:00.24 | twisted` | craigevil: now that's livin on the edge :p |
| 12:00.31 | twisted` | craigevil: automatic unstable upgrades :p |
| 12:00.32 | blast_hardcheese | There's a bug in a game I'm playing that requires split-second timing to get in; I'd like to hit a button, record the macro, then play it back, but xmacrorec doesn't record how long I hold keys, just that I've held them |
| 12:00.39 | cadu_ | hello guys, i have a question about network-manager: i've installed debian [straight to unstable via network install] and put the full gnome with network-manager in it, how can i configure it so it connects to the available networks even without X running? i've disabled gdm, prefer to log in to console first |
| 12:00.44 | twisted` | ajcc: hahaha, pwnd |
| 12:00.53 | ajcc | twisted`: yeah, I had that feeling too |
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| 12:01.26 | bolt-work | cadu_: you're going to run unstable and you can't setup a network manually? |
| 12:02.12 | ajcc | bolt-work: I think he just want the latest software |
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| 12:02.26 | bolt-work | wrong distro |
| 12:02.40 | craigevil | ajcc: bah lenny has pretty much the same packages as sid atm |
| 12:02.42 | zamuro | wrong os, i must say |
| 12:02.52 | ajcc | cadu_: ifconfig is your friend here, dhclient too |
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| 12:03.36 | twisted` | ajcc: u could always post the images to 4chan, that'll show him to not shred his memory :p |
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| 12:03.37 | ajcc | cadu_: and read this :) http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 |
| 12:03.40 | cadu_ | bolt-work: duh, i CAN, i just want to know the DEBIAN, correct, defined way |
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| 12:03.58 | ajcc | twisted`: I saw one and wrote zeros over the entire card :P |
| 12:04.00 | moniker127 | Would anyone be willing to assist me with an issue i'm having? I'm trying to configure ubuntu 8.04 inside of vmware workstation, which is running ontop of windows 7. I've got the OS running beautifully, but i'm unable to browse the internet on the vm. |
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| 12:04.26 | craigevil | !ubuntu |
| 12:04.26 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 12:04.52 | cadu_ | i know i can config a roaming mode using /etc/config/networks, but networkmanager is already running, and when im using X its nice to have it running there...i just want to have the pc start without me having to log on and connect to the networks, in case my home network |
| 12:05.12 | liable | moniker127: you really want to ask vmware people, but ubuntu isnt debian, so you might want #ubuntu |
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| 12:05.15 | paxcoder | huh? there goes the bot |
| 12:05.19 | cadu_ | ajcc: its wireless :) |
| 12:05.28 | ajcc | I wonder if #debian got a better reputation than #ubuntu in getting help |
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| 12:05.33 | bolt-work | cadu_: look into whereami, perhaps? |
| 12:05.40 | cadu_ | ajcc: thats too basic :) |
| 12:05.48 | zamuro | ajcc: Doesn't. |
| 12:06.09 | cadu_ | bolt-work: long time since the last time i went here asking for help, forgot how people think they are the gods of the universe just by idling here, tsk tsk |
| 12:06.12 | twisted` | ajcc: zeroes are still recoverable, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/memorycard bs=1M; should cover it :p |
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| 12:06.46 | cadu_ | ajcc: thanks, but i was looking for a proper way to set up roaming-mode for wireless adapter in Debian |
| 12:06.48 | bolt-work | cadu_: where did that come from? i just suggested some software you could use |
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| 12:07.01 | cadu_ | bolt-work: "whereami" ? ;) |
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| 12:07.07 | bolt-work | cadu_: yes. that. |
| 12:07.29 | twisted` | k time for some fukung |
| 12:07.31 | o2T7 | Hi there again, when runnint "sudo pbuilder --build --basetgz ../base_unstable.tgz ../myprog_0.1-1.dsc", I get an error "make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.". I added the corresponding entry "libqt4-dev" to the file 'debian/control', but after updating the pbuilder image and making again the .deb package, the error persists. What's going on? |
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| 12:07.42 | cadu_ | bolt-work: you should check yor ass to see whereami :) |
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| 12:07.47 | ajcc | cadu_: it's still the same, just more man pages to read. but there's some nifty application that will make it all a bit easier, just can't remember the name. |
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| 12:08.03 | bolt-work | cadu_: don't be an idiot |
| 12:08.22 | OpenTokix | Hello, does anyone know if the etch and a half installer boots on 2.6.24, or if it boots on 2.6.18 and then installs 2.6.24? |
| 12:08.43 | ajcc | twisted`: I'll have to do that too then, it would be a pitty to smash the microdrive |
| 12:08.48 | blast_hardcheese | OpenTokix: boots on 2.6.24 |
| 12:08.51 | cadu_ | ajcc: well, the last time i did it in debian was to setup an entry in /etc/network/interfaces defining my wireless adapter and pointing it to a wpa_supplicant config file, and it would run it at every boot and set up network automagically |
| 12:08.56 | OpenTokix | blast_hardcheese: cool |
| 12:09.23 | blast_hardcheese | OpenTokix: It's the only way I can install on my new machine, hardware is unsupported on 2.6.18 :) |
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| 12:09.25 | twisted` | ajcc: hehehe |
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| 12:09.31 | OpenTokix | blast_hardcheese: ok, thanks alot |
| 12:09.34 | blast_hardcheese | yep |
| 12:09.38 | OpenTokix | blast_hardcheese: I have the same problem with my new machines |
| 12:09.42 | cadu_ | ajcc: just installed debian in this netbook i just bought and decided to give NetworkManager a spin, it works nicely withing X/Gnome but it waits for my password input on the keyring so it can use my wifi network password, got it? |
| 12:09.43 | OpenTokix | blast_hardcheese: using areca raidcontrollers |
| 12:09.53 | bolt-work | cadu_: apt-get install whereami already. it's basically the same as network-manager |
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| 12:10.03 | blast_hardcheese | OpenTokix: Ah |
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| 12:10.07 | psycodad | hello, sorry stupid question, am i supposed to use ia64 with an atom processor or simply i386 ? |
| 12:10.15 | OpenTokix | blast_hardcheese: 7T sweetness in one of them =) |
| 12:10.16 | streuner_ | judd, versions libgnutls26_2.4.2-5 |
| 12:10.17 | judd | streuner_: libgnutls26_2.4.2-5 -- |
| 12:10.21 | twisted` | ajcc: and else, for i in `seq 1 30`; do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/memorycard bs=1M; done; if u wanna take no chances :p haha |
| 12:10.24 | streuner_ | judd, versions libgnutls26 |
| 12:10.26 | judd | streuner_: libgnutls26 -- lenny: 2.4.2-6 sid: 2.4.2-6 experimental: 2.6.4-1 |
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| 12:10.41 | liable | psycodad: 386 |
| 12:10.56 | twisted` | psycodad: 368 |
| 12:11.01 | ajcc | cadu_: yeah, but you can enter the password in some of those configure files, I remember there being a syntax for it, when using wpa or simular |
| 12:11.02 | twisted` | psycodad: ia64 is itanium |
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| 12:11.38 | cadu_ | ajcc: thanks, will search it |
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| 12:12.09 | cadu_ | ajcc: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg607769.html <-- found the options for /etc/network/interfaces for using wpa_supplicant with it |
| 12:12.10 | blast_hardcheese | mini-split! |
| 12:12.23 | assasusonic | hello everyone |
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| 12:12.29 | kiss7163r | hi |
| 12:12.30 | assasusonic | i have a problem with my jfs partition |
| 12:12.41 | assasusonic | after a power loss it is inconsistent |
| 12:13.01 | assasusonic | i tried fsck but it says that both superblock and journal and the copies are inconsistent |
| 12:13.06 | assasusonic | is there any way to recover? |
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| 12:13.14 | ajcc | cadu_: that's the one :) |
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| 12:14.03 | cadu_ | ajcc: they haven't been input in the "interfaces" manpage, i should ditch NetworkManager ;) |
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| 12:14.30 | psycodad | thx all, i got a strange problem i've never seen before on a shuttle x27d: I boot the netinstaller via tftp which works fine, but when the installer tries to do dhcp it times out and also when i assign ip manually theres no connection. Would it make sense to boot from CD installer to have more drivers available ? |
| 12:14.39 | ajcc | cadu_: sadly new user don't like the man pages, so everything is on the net instead |
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| 12:16.01 | cadu_ | ajcc: if i had the chance i would love to update those, these "online" manuals are very good when one doesn't wants to memorize every switch of every command out there, don't you think? |
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| 12:17.31 | bolt-work | ... |
| 12:17.43 | ajcc | cadu_: I do, I use them all the time, finding the right manual can be hard sometimes, they are not that hard to edit, the use a strange markup language and you have to "convert" them into man-pages |
| 12:18.04 | bolt-work | psycodad: it might. check which driver your card requires |
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| 12:19.00 | cadu_ | ajcc: do you know if there is some site or group thats organizing translation/updating of those manpages? i would like to join if they exist, also i can translate stuff to portuguese and to some extent, japanese |
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| 12:19.13 | o2T7 | When running "sudo pbuilder --build --basetgz ../base_unstable.tgz ../myprog_0.1-1.dsc", I get an error "make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'". I have "libqt4-dev" within the 'Depends' section of the file 'debian/control'. |
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| 12:19.30 | twisted` | does anyone know if it's possible to have a gif as a bootscreen? http://media.fukung.net/images/8501/eb2b4c62fe7987af679175e2caec9160.gif that one would be awesome |
| 12:19.55 | sep | twisted`, you know you can convert images between formats |
| 12:20.04 | bolt-work | o2T7: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:20.15 | psycodad | bolt-work: heh, your "might" is enough to burn an etch cdrom and connect the usb drive and give it a try...with lenny it worked (i installed accidentally lenny short before) but I need etch because I need myth 0.20, thx. |
| 12:20.24 | sep | twisted`, animation no i do not think so |
| 12:20.37 | twisted` | sep: yeah it's about the animation :p |
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| 12:20.38 | o2T7 | bolt-work: I'm creating a debian package from sources |
| 12:20.47 | twisted` | sep: don't care if it has to become another format for it |
| 12:20.49 | o2T7 | or at least trying :) |
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| 12:21.32 | bolt-work | psycodad: you should check which module your card requires and see if that's on there. perhaps try etch-n-half? |
| 12:21.52 | zamuro | psycodad: you can always install older versions :P |
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| 12:23.21 | ajcc | cadu_: this is a good manual about the debian structure, including man pages: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html, and this about man pages http://www.schweikhardt.net/man_page_howto.html . I'm not sure where you can find the locale stuff (different languages) they have a mailing-list, search it |
| 12:23.45 | paxcoder | I'm using Debian testing, so the version of my Iceweasel is 3.0.6. Does that correspond to Firefox's versioning? |
| 12:24.16 | ajcc | paxcoder: Yes |
| 12:24.35 | icebrain | hi, is there any way to "reset" the video card? If I boot my laptop without the screen "up" (ie, turned on) and lift it later, the screen stays white. |
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| 12:24.53 | icebrain | even without Xorg |
| 12:25.05 | paxcoder | According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animated_Portable_Network_Graphics the file format shoud be supported, but as you may see on the right, the A/PNG is not animated, so all I see is a static PNG. Why? |
| 12:25.08 | paxcoder | ajcc: ? |
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| 12:25.56 | cadu_ | ajcc: found the problem with NetworkManager, the "systemwide setting" thing has been done in NM 0.7, just checked on debian and even on unstable it's still on 0.6 |
| 12:25.57 | Sepho | hi all |
| 12:25.58 | craigevil | yes 3.06 is the recent mozilla version of firefox |
| 12:26.06 | paxcoder | ajcc: diregard that. seems the reason is Mozilla's modified libpng. |
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| 12:26.31 | cadu_ | ajcc: i think ill have to stick with the more elegant /etc/network/interfaces or as some random folk vomited, whereami, thanks for your support |
| 12:26.38 | o2T7 | bolt-work: Do you have any ideas about where the problem could be? I'm misunderstanding something essential here |
| 12:28.30 | ajcc | cadu_: you can make your own debian packages, dpkg and make-dpkg, apt-get install build-dep networkmanager will get you the required build depends installed |
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| 12:31.56 | Sepho | why when i logon as root i have bash-3.2# instead of root@directory ?? |
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| 12:33.10 | ajcc | Sepho: root@directory is a custom promt, if it's not in your root's .bashrc it will use the default promt |
| 12:33.21 | hurra | is there a kernel for debian without module loading support? |
| 12:33.57 | ajcc | Sepho: I would really recommend you to use sudo for all your super-user needs. it's very easy to set up: http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/sudo/ |
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| 12:34.44 | Sepho | thanks ajcc but i'm like use root :P it's simpler for me |
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| 12:35.33 | ajcc | hurra: you can always make one? but I guess there's a way to disable it at boot |
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| 12:35.58 | hurra | i'm looking for an already compiled and maintained one :) |
| 12:36.43 | ajcc | Sepho: it's simpler, but it's not a good thing to do. it takes a bit of getting used to, before you learn to use a normal user and sudo, but it's worth it, both for security reasons and learing purpose. |
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| 12:37.50 | Sepho | but i'm doing since my first day with linux, sudo is... rare |
| 12:38.53 | ajcc | hurra: I've found this article about it: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/harden-doc/html/securing-debian-howto/ch9.en.html |
| 12:39.31 | ajcc | Sepho: ok then, write up sudo on a note and get back to it later. today you should: make a new user, and use su for root access |
| 12:39.45 | hurra | ajcc: thanks :) |
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| 12:41.18 | craigevil | you can also install the harden-doc |
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| 12:41.38 | ajcc | I didn't know that :) |
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| 12:41.55 | craigevil | apt-get install harden-doc or aptitude if you prefer |
| 12:41.58 | mne | Hi, i bought a moderately fast flashdisk to speed up my debian installation. Unfortunately, large data transfers cause the system to be in a wait state which effectively blocks all other read/write operations. Is there a way to change this ? |
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| 12:43.15 | ajcc | craigevil: I just did, nifty :) |
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| 12:43.33 | craigevil | most of the debian docs can be installed |
| 12:43.52 | craigevil | mne use the netinstall ? |
| 12:44.26 | krionux | hi fella, i migrate a sarge to etch and still have /usr/sbin/termwrap |
| 12:44.57 | krionux | in inittab i mean |
| 12:45.29 | enouf | mne: might your flash disk be mounted in async mode? |
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| 12:45.43 | mne | craigevil, ??? what does that have to do with it ? |
| 12:45.54 | mne | enouf, thanks, I'll try that out. What does async mode do ? |
| 12:46.35 | enouf | asynchronous, as opposed to synchronous |
| 12:46.35 | enouf | man mount |
| 12:46.43 | enouf | check dmesg, etc |
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| 12:47.18 | enouf | fast flaskdisk .. on a USB 1.1 bus == slow slow slow :-P |
| 12:48.38 | mne | enouf, I'm using the "defaults" option for the flashdisk which includes "async" as well. |
| 12:48.57 | mne | enouf, the flashdisk is attached over a sata link |
| 12:48.59 | enouf | mne: right, don't do that |
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| 12:49.31 | mne | enouf, anything else I could try ? |
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| 12:49.59 | enouf | just remove 'defaults' and mount using sane options |
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| 12:52.20 | hkais | hello |
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| 12:52.50 | hkais | anyone here who uses udf and blueray (BD-RE) and can tell me how to format it properly? |
| 12:54.29 | mne | enouf, and what are sane options for a flashdisk ? ;) defaults == rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, async. This doesn't look to bad, does it ? |
| 12:55.21 | enouf | mne: when in doubt, just remove the specific troublesome mount option |
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| 13:01.27 | Urko | hello |
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| 13:01.52 | Urko | sorry of interuption, but I am corious if Debian will be released tomorow? |
| 13:02.11 | Urko | (lenny I mean) |
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| 13:02.45 | liable | its supposed to. whether it does, who knows.. |
| 13:02.51 | Urko | :) |
| 13:03.06 | Urko | I hope it will be released |
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| 13:03.22 | Urko | becouse I need some things to do |
| 13:03.32 | Urko | thnx for info. guys |
| 13:03.38 | mne | enouf, sorry, i misunderstood you. I thought the async option would be sane. I'll remove it and see if it makes a difference |
| 13:04.15 | ajcc | Urko: you can always install the lastes release candidate if it get delayed |
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| 13:04.39 | Urko | Rc2 for lenny is no longer awaible on debian wiki |
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| 13:05.07 | enouf | hkais: the only thing i can really offer is this http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/Blu-ray/ and whatever docs/tools are in the "udftools" pkgs |
| 13:05.33 | enouf | mne: bingo |
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| 13:05.41 | gabri-shatana | ciao |
| 13:05.49 | gabri-shatana | non riesco più a loggare come root |
| 13:06.03 | liable | looks like chealer wins the pool bet |
| 13:06.03 | enouf | !it |
| 13:06.03 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:06.10 | gabri-shatana | sorry |
| 13:06.13 | liable | !lenny pool 1. |
| 13:06.13 | dpkg | rektide=2008-08-21 themill=2008-12-01 dutchfish=2008-11-11 brylie=2008-07-15 <thedonvaughn>=2009-2-05 slxix=2008-10-31 <asg>=argh, not before I finish upgrading the sarge boxes. avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, abrotman=2009-04-08 streuner=2009-06-15 hark=2009-04-17 |
| 13:06.52 | sahin | need some ideas to my WAN simulator debian project.. |
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| 13:09.36 | rvsjoen | trying to cat /dev/net/tun in lenny gives me "file descriptor in bad state" anyone have a clue what can cause this ? |
| 13:11.02 | enouf | lsof? |
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| 13:11.35 | rvsjoen | empty when grepping for tun |
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| 13:11.50 | enouf | tap? |
| 13:12.04 | rvsjoen | nothing |
| 13:12.13 | sahin | Is it easy in Perl (cgi-bin) to make wan simulator with grapichal interface? |
| 13:12.19 | jelly | sahin: apart fromthe obvious, implementing latency and perhaps packet lossage? |
| 13:12.26 | enouf | fuser? lsof -i -n ? |
| 13:13.10 | sahin | Jelly, I want to implemante all the tradionel functions. |
| 13:13.12 | enouf | rvsjoen: you're running lsof as root, right? netstat as well perhaps |
| 13:13.16 | hark | rvsjoen: does the same here, where are you seeing an error? |
| 13:13.39 | rvsjoen | hark : im suspecting it is the reason uml can't talk to the host through the tap device |
| 13:13.44 | jelly | rvsjoen: is that device even supposed to be used with cat? |
| 13:14.26 | jelly | rvsjoen: which user are you running uml as? |
| 13:14.33 | rvsjoen | root (sudo) |
| 13:14.38 | jelly | eww. |
| 13:14.43 | rvsjoen | the uml wiki says "This is due to a header mismatch between the upgraded kernel and the kernel that was originally installed on the machine. The fix is to make sure that /usr/src/linux points to the headers for the running kernel. " |
| 13:15.07 | rvsjoen | I don't believe that though |
| 13:15.14 | rvsjoen | there's nothing wrong with the headers |
| 13:15.26 | jelly | rvsjoen: are uml-utilities installed? |
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| 13:15.35 | rvsjoen | yes, and running |
| 13:16.04 | gabri-shatana | when i try to login i have ths error "setgid operation not permitted2 |
| 13:16.20 | rvsjoen | when pinging from the guest to the host I can dump tap0 and see arp requests/replies, when pinging from the host I see nothing on the guest |
| 13:16.41 | rvsjoen | also the arp reply never reaches the guest when pinging the host, the arp table is never updated |
| 13:17.15 | rvsjoen | I was looking for a way to test the tuntap device without the influence of uml |
| 13:17.22 | rvsjoen | tried to cat /dev/net/tun |
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| 13:18.37 | enouf | rvsjoen: tunctl is no help? |
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| 13:19.05 | rvsjoen | I can create tap0 manually using tunctl, but I have no way of testing it |
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| 13:19.28 | rvsjoen | when I run uml the utilities create the tap device for me |
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| 13:24.02 | rvsjoen | enouf: vmlinux (uml) has lots of open file handles do /dev/net/tun when uml is running |
| 13:24.25 | rvsjoen | and it is a character device so there is no reason I shouldn't be able to cat it |
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| 13:27.05 | rvsjoen | looks like that messages would be issued if a 'wrong' ioctl is made |
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| 13:29.40 | rvsjoen | having a hard time believing that is the problem though |
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| 13:30.53 | Izamael | A good pdf reader for linux? |
| 13:31.06 | OldMonk | xpdf, kpdf |
| 13:31.10 | avtolfm | evince |
| 13:31.13 | Izamael | ty |
| 13:32.37 | jelly | <rvsjoen> and it is a character device so there is no reason I shouldn't be able to cat it # um, you shouldn't really assume that particular device even has read() and write() implemented |
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| 13:33.11 | rvsjoen | I checked the file_operations structure in tun.c |
| 13:33.28 | amimusa | hello, i am trying to find packages to audite wireless network... any suggestion ? |
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| 13:35.05 | amimusa | i am making a study about security, so my goal is listen air packages and check the security trying to get the password, if i found them, the intention is talk to the owner to make him/her know his/her security hole |
| 13:35.27 | amimusa | any air listeners ? |
| 13:35.31 | rvsjoen | which password ? |
| 13:35.38 | rvsjoen | are you talking about the wireless encryption ? |
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| 13:36.16 | blast_hardcheese | amimusa: nmap/aircrack-ng |
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| 13:36.20 | blast_hardcheese | but you already knew that |
| 13:36.23 | rvsjoen | anyhow, google aircrack-ng, and get a card that supports monitor mode |
| 13:36.25 | ribasushi | if one has lenny in the sources file - will anything change tomorrow, or there will be nothing massive to upgrade? |
| 13:36.26 | peppe | amimusa: aircrack-ng has almost everything you may need |
| 13:36.32 | blast_hardcheese | err, |
| 13:36.41 | liable | ribasushi: no big changes |
| 13:36.46 | blast_hardcheese | s/nmap/the other one that I was thinking of/ |
| 13:36.48 | blast_hardcheese | kismet |
| 13:37.00 | amimusa | blast_hardcheese, you read my mind :) |
| 13:37.00 | avtolfm | will lenny be released tomorrow? |
| 13:37.06 | liable | maybe |
| 13:37.07 | avtolfm | is out of the loop seemingly |
| 13:37.10 | icebrain | yeah, aircrack+kismet is all you need |
| 13:37.15 | amimusa | thanks for all suggestions |
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| 13:37.57 | amimusa | i can't listen the audio in this video: http://widgetpf.razorstream.com/apps/v.1.0/inc/mailplayer.aspx?hex=09b1f327-81e0-4f9d-a6d2-be3834f7c2c1&mediaId=22184712&lic=hw&hash=08358e6b1282782dd44d7ae2d2a3c1396ac79ac9&rec=amimusa@gmail.com |
| 13:38.05 | OldMonk | ``released''? |
| 13:38.10 | amimusa | which codec should i need, please |
| 13:38.15 | amimusa | thanks for check it |
| 13:38.45 | amimusa | it's not me that man, just a friend playing with videomail, i'd like to develop a system but with free software |
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| 13:38.58 | amimusa | thanks for you time and support |
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| 13:40.53 | simeon_ | hi all |
| 13:40.56 | simeon_ | how do I easily install all the suggested packages for a given package? |
| 13:41.12 | amimusa | aptitude install |
| 13:41.15 | OldMonk | simeon_: not the package itself? |
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| 13:41.28 | amimusa | aptitude install <package> |
| 13:41.35 | amimusa | as root |
| 13:42.00 | simeon_ | both the package, and everything it "suggests" |
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| 13:42.26 | simeon_ | like I want to install dictd, and all the dict-* packages it suggests |
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| 13:43.17 | amimusa | man apt-get maybe can help you if there is some opion, otherwise, try each suggested dict |
| 13:43.21 | stew | simeon_: aptitude install '~Rsuggests:dictd' |
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| 13:43.36 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache show dictd | grep Suggests |
| 13:43.51 | amimusa | how can i discover which audio codec a video needs ? |
| 13:43.54 | simeon_ | ah, awesome |
| 13:43.56 | simeon_ | thank you enouf |
| 13:44.14 | amimusa | i can't listen this one: http://widgetpf.razorstream.com/apps/v.1.0/inc/mailplayer.aspx?hex=09b1f327-81e0-4f9d-a6d2-be3834f7c2c1&mediaId=22184712&lic=hw&hash=08358e6b1282782dd44d7ae2d2a3c1396ac79ac9&rec=amimusa@gmail.com |
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| 13:44.54 | amimusa | please, don't look at the program ... i don't like neither |
| 13:44.54 | enouf | ~$ apt-get install -s $(apt-cache show dictd | grep Suggests) <-- but that won't work right, many many times - simeon_ use stew 's aptitude method |
| 13:45.22 | simeon_ | ah... yes, sorry I meant to thank stew |
| 13:45.29 | simeon_ | I did use his method :) |
| 13:45.38 | simeon_ | thanks strew |
| 13:45.41 | stew | heh enouf: your thanks has been revoked |
| 13:45.43 | stew | :) |
| 13:45.44 | simeon_ | erk, |
| 13:45.47 | simeon_ | thanks stew |
| 13:45.52 | amimusa | a channel specilized about codecs ?¿ |
| 13:46.01 | simeon_ | enouf: thanks also :) |
| 13:46.05 | enouf | learns to shut up sooner :-P |
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| 13:46.27 | amimusa | i'd like to listen that link i pasted before |
| 13:46.32 | simeon_ | enouf: dictd suggest a zillion packages, so the cmdline might be too long? |
| 13:46.42 | mns | Any truth to Lenny coming out tomorrow ? Apparently OSNews is running a story that it will be released tomorrow. |
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| 13:47.00 | stew | mns: we start the release procedure tomorrow. we hopefully finish the release procedure tomorrow too |
| 13:47.26 | enouf | simeon_: i only see a few listed here :-( ... a zillion you say? |
| 13:47.34 | Izamael | u can upgrade a recently installed distro in a easy way yes |
| 13:47.45 | Izamael | just started with debian and now a new release =) |
| 13:47.46 | stew | well i guess the cd builds have probably already started |
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| 13:48.05 | stew | Izamael: yes, "/msg dpkg lenny relelase notes" has an upgrade procedure in chapter 4 |
| 13:48.06 | simeon_ | enouf: 70 packages |
| 13:48.16 | Izamael | nice ty stew |
| 13:48.33 | enouf | simeon_: no, my command is wrong for many reasons, one; it doesn't take into account and/or, delimiters such as comma separated paths, etc etc |
| 13:48.34 | simeon_ | now I can continue writing my wife's valentines poem, but use dict suffix matches |
| 13:48.36 | mns | amimusa: I can see the video and hear the audio in my browser, but I don't know what codec it is using. I'm using Debian/testing ... |
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| 13:48.49 | enouf | simeon_: ouch - something is wrong |
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| 13:49.17 | amimusa | I am on an ubuntu 8.04 right now with firefox |
| 13:49.39 | OldMonk | simeon_: roses are red / violets are blue / all my base / are belong to you <-- should be enough for anyone ;) |
| 13:50.14 | simeon_ | OldMonk: I didn't wash the dishes while she was at her ballet class last night :( |
| 13:50.24 | Izamael | hehe |
| 13:50.28 | simeon_ | OldMonk: it might not be enough |
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| 13:51.02 | simeon_ | at least I have the power of open source on my side |
| 13:51.17 | simeon_ | together we will regain her trust! |
| 13:51.46 | Izamael | I would suggest washing some more dishes before trusting that too much ;) |
| 13:51.49 | OldMonk | thus speaketh the true geek |
| 13:53.20 | doudou | Hi, today i wanted to start a new install of debian on /dev/sdf1 i made mke2fs -j /dev/sdf1 ; downloaded netinst.iso ; mount -o loop netinst.iso ISO; copy grub and install it on /dev/sdf1; copy vmlinuz and initrd from ISO to sdf1; reboot; then the install begins but stop trying to mount a CD?? what is the correct netinst file do i need? |
| 13:53.38 | mns | amimusa: I don't know how Ubuntu does it. I've got gstreamer on my system |
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| 13:54.03 | amimusa | nice thanks i am trying to check it |
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| 13:54.24 | Wulf_ | Hello |
| 13:55.29 | simeon_ | doudou: sounds like a gentoo-like approach to installing debian |
| 13:55.32 | Wulf_ | can someone suggest an image viewer? I want to view an image with resolution 1200x331897 pixels. I don't want it resized, but I want it scrollable. And it shouldn't eat up my memory :) |
| 13:55.44 | Maior | Wulf_: xview |
| 13:55.55 | foetus | hy - is there a serious reason to update from r6 to r7? i have downloaded the latest r6-DVDs and i wanna use it.. |
| 13:55.55 | OldMonk | Wulf_: never tried it on images that large, but will gqview do what you need? |
| 13:55.56 | icebrain | feh |
| 13:55.56 | enouf | gliv |
| 13:56.04 | simeon_ | doudou: chances are the initrd is customized for the netinst CD and it won't work for a normal install |
| 13:56.24 | doudou | simeon_ before i was doing from windows, runing some windows programm, reboot and then it was proposing correctly to install debian, i lost this way |
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| 13:57.30 | doudou | is there another iso file with correct initrd and linux kernel to boot? |
| 13:57.31 | Xunie | Can a debian package contain spaces in a repo? (something like "this\ is\ a\ package"?) |
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| 13:57.58 | Xunie | doudou, Wait, You get that on boot? |
| 13:58.10 | Mark17 | hello, i get the following error: http://yourpaste.net/1653/ how could i solve it? |
| 13:58.26 | Xunie | doudou, Ehm, wait, I mean you get that when the kernel is booted? Or from grub/syslinux/[your bootloader here] ? |
| 13:58.27 | simeon_ | doudou: the best way to install debian is to write the iso to a CD and boot from it, then use the debian installer |
| 13:58.48 | Xunie | doudou, Indeed, This can be done with nero buring rom and ofcourse, Free tools! |
| 13:59.04 | simeon_ | doudou: if you can't boot from the CD, or the installer doesn't work from you, you can try using debootstrap |
| 13:59.10 | doudou | yes this boot, grub ask kernel and initrd, then it boot, then ask for language keyboard then should detect network and start install but not this file |
| 13:59.20 | stew | Mark17: yikes. perhaps try "aptitude resistall libc6 debconf" |
| 13:59.29 | doudou | i get rid of CD and floppy five years ago |
| 13:59.44 | doudou | i thought they were obsolete |
| 13:59.47 | Xunie | doudou, wait, How are you booting now then? |
| 13:59.58 | Xunie | Also: cd's are still commonly used over here.. Atleast I doo. |
| 14:00.00 | doudou | i am boot from usb |
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| 14:00.12 | Xunie | doudou, Bleh, I had some problems with it today. |
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| 14:00.19 | Xunie | And gees, I wiped my hard drive! |
| 14:00.25 | doudou | i boot from micro sd card 4gb you know very small and noiseless |
| 14:00.25 | jelly | stew: resist all libc6? |
| 14:00.26 | Xunie | My porno! :'( |
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| 14:01.26 | doudou | i found another iso mini.iso, you know problem with debian is that there are too many doc, too many links, no date ... |
| 14:01.28 | Xunie | doudou, Well, To be honest I don't like dvd's either, But I just install one distro, And I use it. |
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| 14:01.46 | Xunie | doudou, If you don't like debian, You can use Ubuntu. |
| 14:01.49 | doudou | i get rid of hard drive too, obsolete too much noise |
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| 14:02.05 | Wulf_ | icebrain: feh fails and can't scroll it |
| 14:02.05 | Xunie | doudou, Now you're trollin' me. |
| 14:02.17 | superjet_busy | it's there some way to record with hd-intel(alc268)? compiled newer alsa-driver with no luck and audio only works with work with modprobe snd-hda-intel model=auto |
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| 14:02.29 | doudou | xunie, each you stop liking your mother you get rid of her? |
| 14:02.37 | Mark17 | stew: that doesnt help |
| 14:02.39 | Xunie | superjet_busy, Do you have X installed? (I geuss so) |
| 14:02.52 | Wulf_ | Maior: xview eats my memory.. |
| 14:03.01 | superjet_busy | Xunie: yes |
| 14:03.21 | Xunie | doudou, No, I don't.. Because I am going to regret that.. As without hard drives: Where to store all the porn(o)? |
| 14:03.33 | Xunie | superjet_busy, gnome? |
| 14:03.48 | superjet_busy | Xunie: gnome and xfce are same |
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| 14:04.04 | OldMonk | doudou: yo momma so fat she include mplayer in a base install |
| 14:04.04 | Xunie | superjet_busy, What ever, Add that mixing util to one of your bars, And open it. |
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| 14:04.46 | Xunie | OldMonk, mplayer isn't big... |
| 14:04.53 | Mark17 | http://yourpaste.net/1654/ << i still get that error |
| 14:05.01 | doudou | i am afraid i think i start to adopt debian as my new mother |
| 14:05.24 | Mark17 | aptitude resistall isnt working, so i tried aptitude reinstall |
| 14:05.26 | Wulf_ | OldMonk: gqview eats my memory too |
| 14:05.28 | doudou | give a link to a decent initrd and linux kernel too boot and install debian on usb stick |
| 14:05.37 | OldMonk | Wulf_: one of the other suggestions then... |
| 14:05.39 | Xunie | Mark17, Wait, what? |
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| 14:05.47 | icebrain | Wulf_: feh can't show the image? O_o |
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| 14:05.55 | stew | Mark17: what version of libc6 is installed now? |
| 14:06.04 | stew | i'm not sure what "due to missing arch" means |
| 14:06.06 | Xunie | superjet_busy, Still with me? |
| 14:06.22 | Mark17 | Xunie: see http://yourpaste.net/1654/ for what i get when i try to use aptitude |
| 14:06.25 | superjet_busy | Xunie: yes, i've tried but failed to do it |
| 14:06.35 | superjet_busy | Xunie: sorry |
| 14:06.36 | Xunie | superjet_busy, there is a CLI way though (open alsamixer and browse trough the controlls) |
| 14:06.39 | Mark17 | stew: how can i see what i have now? |
| 14:06.45 | superjet_busy | Xunie: sure |
| 14:06.49 | Wulf_ | enouf: gliv also eats my memory |
| 14:06.56 | Xunie | superjet_busy, Might be because the input source isn't correctly... |
| 14:06.56 | Wulf_ | OldMonk: none work. |
| 14:06.59 | stew | Mark17: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: and Candidate: ? |
| 14:07.05 | Wulf_ | looks like I have to write my own image viewer *sigh* |
| 14:07.08 | Xunie | Mark17, Use apt-get ! |
| 14:07.20 | superjet_busy | Xunie: so i think it maybe due to alc268 no well supported now |
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| 14:07.25 | OldMonk | Wulf_: gimp then? |
| 14:07.29 | doudou | grub can deal with initrd.gz or i must gzip -d them? |
| 14:07.32 | Xunie | 'apt-get [install/remove/purge/clean/autoremove/autopurge/etc...] [package]' |
| 14:07.34 | Wulf_ | OldMonk: refuses to open the file. too large. |
| 14:07.38 | stew | Mark17: there is no reason to believe apt-get would be able to fix this any better than aptitude |
| 14:07.50 | Mark17 | Installed: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 |
| 14:07.53 | OldMonk | Wulf_: how large is the image file? |
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| 14:07.55 | Xunie | superjet_busy, I really have some problems with audio on my laptop, So I use ubuntu, Its basically the same :P |
| 14:07.57 | Mark17 | Xunie: apt-get is also not working... |
| 14:08.03 | doudou | do you think that gentoo can propose me to a netinstall in less than a hour? |
| 14:08.06 | Xunie | Mark17, hold on.. |
| 14:08.08 | Wulf_ | OldMonk: 1493280019 bytes, ppm format |
| 14:08.10 | enouf | Wulf_: tell the image creator to learn how to make images that don't eat your RAM |
| 14:08.19 | stew | Mark17: what arch is this? |
| 14:08.25 | stew | oh i386 |
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| 14:08.46 | superjet_busy | Xunie: yes, i'ev compiled latest alsa-driver with no luck |
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| 14:08.53 | superjet_busy | s/ev/ve |
| 14:08.55 | stew | Mark17: is 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 also in Candidate? |
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| 14:09.08 | Xunie | superjet_busy, Try messing around with alsamixer |
| 14:09.20 | Mark17 | stew: yes |
| 14:09.26 | icebrain | Wulf_: can't you crop it in multiple slices with imagemagick? |
| 14:09.27 | OldMonk | Wulf_: would it be ok to scale it, or do you have to view at that res only? |
| 14:09.28 | Xunie | and Mark17 , Is there another instance of aptitude running or something?... You might want to try rebooting... |
| 14:09.31 | josip_ | Hello, I've stopped tomcat and now it won't start complaining that "Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5su: must be run from a terminal". Any ideas what might cause this? |
| 14:09.40 | stew | Mark17: don't listen to Xunie |
| 14:09.59 | stew | Mark17: does /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1* exist? |
| 14:10.02 | Xunie | stew, Mark17, Indeed, Listen to stew because he knows more of your situation! |
| 14:10.44 | stew | if another copy of aptitude was running he'd get an error on the lockfile. rebooting is for fixing problems in windows |
| 14:10.47 | Mark17 | stew: it doesnt exist |
| 14:10.51 | Wulf_ | icebrain: that's what I had before and I didn't like it. I just want a really huge image which I can scroll |
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| 14:11.21 | Mark17 | in /var/cache/apt/archives/ only lock and partial/ exists |
| 14:11.24 | OldMonk | Wulf_: i don't know any os that could handle a 1.4G file :) |
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| 14:11.55 | Xunie | stew, Well, What ever... I don't know what to do with it, And rebooting _might_ help! And to be honest: What about the partition table? (/proc/partitions) |
| 14:12.04 | Maior | OldMonk: really? |
| 14:12.08 | themill | Wulf_: most image formats don't allow for only extracting a small section of a file without opening the entire file |
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| 14:12.15 | stew | Mark17: do you have free space available on /var ? |
| 14:12.16 | Wulf_ | themill: ppm format does |
| 14:12.21 | OldMonk | Maior: yes, which is not to say such os's don't exist |
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| 14:12.54 | stew | Mark17: can you show us what happens when you just run "aptitude install debconf tzdata libc6"? |
| 14:13.05 | stew | Mark17: is there anything you know you did that might have started all of this? |
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| 14:13.28 | Mark17 | i have 90+ GB available on the partition /var is on |
| 14:13.39 | Mark17 | i dont know the reason |
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| 14:13.47 | log3r | i |
| 14:13.49 | Mark17 | 1 moment so i can run that what you did say |
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| 14:13.58 | enouf | it isn't mounted ro, is it? .. er nm |
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| 14:14.04 | Akuw | hi |
| 14:14.14 | OldMonk | Mark17: what does /var/lib/dpkg contain? |
| 14:14.17 | Eulex | Wulf_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Graphics_File |
| 14:14.23 | Akuw | how can i know where jre-6u12-linux-i586.bin is installed? |
| 14:14.32 | Akuw | i still don't install |
| 14:14.41 | themill | Wulf_: no, ppm format is well designed for extracting a slice of rows, but not for extracting a slice of columns which it seems is what you want. |
| 14:14.46 | Akuw | how can i know where jre-6u12-linux-i586.bin will be installed? |
| 14:14.52 | stew | Akuw: is there a reason you are installing the .bin instead of using the debian packages? |
| 14:14.59 | AliTarihi | Hi! I get a undefined reference to ... error for `XFlush', `XFree' and a few other functions, while compiling a program. |
| 14:15.01 | Akuw | hummm |
| 14:15.15 | Eulex | Wulf_, "ROI extraction: Since version 5, PGF supports extraction of regions of interest (ROI) without decoding the whole image." |
| 14:15.40 | stew | nice: http://backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/ |
| 14:15.43 | enouf | Eulex: ROI == the money shot!? ;-) |
| 14:15.44 | Akuw | what is the name of package? |
| 14:15.48 | Wulf_ | themill: my image has 1200 columns and a lot rows |
| 14:15.54 | stew | Akuw: sun-java5-jre |
| 14:16.00 | stew | Akuw: err sun-java6-jre |
| 14:16.02 | Eulex | enouf, money shot? |
| 14:16.09 | enouf | oh my .. heh |
| 14:16.45 | Mark17 | stew: http://yourpaste.net/1655/ (it contains answers to your last questions) |
| 14:17.00 | OldMonk | Mark17: what does /var/lib/dpkg contain? |
| 14:17.11 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_shot |
| 14:18.01 | stew | Mark17: does /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1_i386.deb exist now? |
| 14:18.05 | themill | Wulf_: ahh.... you specified it as columns * rows not the other way... it would be nice if graphics formats could be consistent on this. Then yes, ppm format can help you there, although finding the ROI is pretty computationally intensive with that format. |
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| 14:18.51 | Stuckey | Hello |
| 14:18.57 | Mark17 | OldMonk: the content of /var/lib/dpkg is also listed in the last link to a pastebin i did past here |
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| 14:19.14 | stew | its odd to me that it was marked as an upgrade |
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| 14:19.33 | Mark17 | the following file now exists /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1_i386.deb |
| 14:19.45 | Stuckey | Does anyone know of a good resource for learning about printing in linux aside forom the tldp? |
| 14:19.50 | Stuckey | *from |
| 14:20.04 | enouf | linuxprinting.org? |
| 14:20.22 | OldMonk | brb |
| 14:21.27 | blast_hardcheese | How does one sleep for milliseconds in C++? All the results I can find are for Windows |
| 14:21.49 | stew | blast_hardcheese: ask ##c++ |
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| 14:21.56 | stew | Mark17: "strace -f -o /tmp/dpkg.strace dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1_i386.deb" then upload /tmp/dpkg.strace to paste.debian.net |
| 14:22.00 | blast_hardcheese | stew: Ah, good point. sorry |
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| 14:22.19 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: someone asked about some highres timers the other day - got me curious, i found http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/timers/ |
| 14:22.43 | Maior | blast_hardcheese: usleep() |
| 14:22.55 | Maior | (but yes, what stew said) |
| 14:23.23 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: That's a bit above me at the moment, bookmarked for later :) |
| 14:23.39 | blast_hardcheese | Maior: Ah, thanks |
| 14:24.52 | Stuckey | enouf: Do you know to define a "networked Postscript printer"? |
| 14:25.03 | Stuckey | That's in the tldp but I don't understand what they mean... |
| 14:25.05 | enouf | Maior: nice, blast_hardcheese a search of src/ for usleep yields atleast http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/ftrace.txt#L1014 .. interesting ;-0 |
| 14:25.05 | Mark17 | stew: http://paste.debian.net/28267/ |
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| 14:25.43 | enouf | Stuckey: no, i stink at anything to do with printers - i don't even know what a postscript file is |
| 14:25.59 | Stuckey | Okay, thanks anyway |
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| 14:27.18 | enouf | Stuckey: i did try installing and using CUPS not too long ago - and a dpkg-reconfigure cups allowed some setup - then you have http://localhost:631 things |
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| 14:27.46 | Stuckey | enouf: what exactly is cups? What does it do? |
| 14:28.20 | enouf | !cups |
| 14:28.20 | dpkg | i heard cups is a printing system available at http://www.cups.org or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup> |
| 14:28.25 | enouf | gah |
| 14:28.38 | enouf | Common Unix Printing System |
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| 14:29.43 | Sebi | helau |
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| 14:30.29 | enouf | awoehah |
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| 14:31.59 | Sebi | right now i'm using lenny with several packages from unstable and experimental, i upgraded to the latest kernel today and afterwards my machine refused to boot. i'm using grub2, and i pinpointed it down to the wrong instructions in the grub.conf (respectively the config snippets) |
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| 14:32.50 | bolt-work | Sebi: boot from another device and fix your grub |
| 14:33.08 | JyZyXEL | date +%s |
| 14:34.17 | rvsjoen | I tried building uml from source in hope that there was something wrong with the utilities, still doesn't work.. stupid thing |
| 14:36.35 | themill | Sebi: there was a brown-paper-bag upload of grub2 in lenny yesterday but that was only supposed to be for hurd machines. |
| 14:36.43 | scientes | is there anyway to downgrade after you accidentally install packages from the wrong repo |
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| 14:37.30 | JyZyXEL | scientes purge the packages installed from wrong repo and reinstall from right repo? |
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| 14:37.46 | josip_ | hm, anyone with an idea ? |
| 14:38.05 | bolt-work | it seems my autofs does not detect me using the file system when i'm just browsing it. it'll still disconnect it and reconnect the next time i try to cd to a directory. it does stay connected if i'm streaming a video from it or something though. is this normal behaviour? as "cd autofsmountpoint/" triggers a mount, i'd assume another cd inside the mountpoint triggered a timer reset, but it doesn't seem to do so |
| 14:38.24 | josip_ | hm, anyone with an idea ? |
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| 14:39.11 | beardy | No, all out of those, come back on Sunday. |
| 14:39.14 | rvsjoen | josip_ : any idea ? I propose a banana split and lots of beer |
| 14:39.33 | bolt-work | chocolate cake! |
| 14:39.38 | JyZyXEL | lol i got mail from uptimed :D |
| 14:39.47 | beardy | !lol |
| 14:39.47 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 14:40.02 | JyZyXEL | bwahahaha i got mail from uptimed :D |
| 14:40.16 | josip_ | The problem again: I've stopped tomcat and now it won't start complaining that "Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5su: must be run from a terminal". Any ideas what might cause this? |
| 14:40.26 | JyZyXEL | The uptime of foobar has reached a milestone: 70 days, 00:00:00 (ten weeks) |
| 14:41.45 | themill | JyZyXEL: congratulations, you are presumably running a vulnerable kernel, then. |
| 14:41.45 | rvsjoen | josip_ : im going to take a leap of faith and guess you are not running it from a terminal |
| 14:41.45 | enouf | bolt: are you sure your (perhaps) USB attached device/drive isn't falling into Sleep mode? |
| 14:41.56 | bolt-work | enouf: definately. it's sshfs mounts. |
| 14:42.20 | enouf | bolt-work: or .. perhaps some hal-daemon borkage? .. what? |
| 14:42.20 | bolt-work | enouf: and it unmounts after the exact timeout i've set. i've tried changing it. it just doesn't detect me using it when all i do is browse |
| 14:42.27 | rvsjoen | i'm still looking for a way to verify that my tap device actually works, if anyone is feeling creative |
| 14:42.33 | enouf | bolt-work: i misunderstand then .. entirely |
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| 14:42.43 | simeon_ | poem done - going home |
| 14:42.44 | enouf | what timeout? |
| 14:43.13 | josip_ | rvsjoen: of course :) |
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| 14:43.17 | enouf | rvsjoen: i'm sad to say/ask - you've seen /Documentation/uml stuff? |
| 14:43.38 | enouf | simeon_: can i borrow that? |
| 14:44.00 | bolt-work | enouf: in /etc/auto.master, i've set a timeout for when autofs should unmount the sshfs mounts after a given amount of inactivity. my problem is that browsing the filesystem does not count as activity. i have to actually read or alter a file, which i don't understand, since it will automatically mount the filesystem if i just try to ls a directory in there. |
| 14:44.17 | rvsjoen | omg.. how could I miss that, I read the kernel docs about tuntap but not this one, i'll give it a read. thanks |
| 14:44.21 | enouf | bolt-work: maybe mtime/atime issue? |
| 14:44.43 | bolt-work | hm.. |
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| 14:45.00 | bolt-work | i'll poke around and check for noatime |
| 14:45.22 | enouf | rvsjoen: it's old though .. it seems - it's also poorly formatted in many areas - IIRC, i installed it - and it was still messed up - so caveat emptor ;-) |
| 14:45.23 | Sebi | bolt-work: i'm actually booting from that device; i fiddeled with the grub command line and got it to work.. |
| 14:45.40 | enouf | rvsjoen: you;ll see things like; 6 6. .7 7. . T TU UN N/ /T TA AP P w wi it th h a a p pr re ec co on nf fi ig gu ur re ed d t ta ap p d de ev vi ic ce e 1 |
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| 14:45.43 | enouf | heh |
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| 14:45.51 | rvsjoen | less -R solves that |
| 14:46.05 | enouf | it shouldn't have to |
| 14:48.00 | rvsjoen | didn't really state anything I didn't know though :/ |
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| 14:48.34 | enouf | rvsjoen: though i don't know your end goals/requirements, might want to also look at things like Xen, vserver, openvz, vbox, vmware, qemu - and even lguest and kvm |
| 14:48.42 | rvsjoen | every guide on the net suggests that my current setup should work |
| 14:48.57 | enouf | well .. does it? ;-) |
| 14:49.19 | rvsjoen | yeah, might try qemu, or just resort to the obsolete ethertap or slirp, its still really annoying |
| 14:49.49 | rvsjoen | it's not as much about getting it to work as it is abuot understanding why it doesn't :p |
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| 14:50.36 | rvsjoen | and I was hoping to be able to test that the tap0 device works without running uml, so I can eliminate the device driver |
| 14:50.44 | rvsjoen | no luck so far though |
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| 14:51.37 | enouf | bolt-work: yeah and/or relatime |
| 14:51.44 | rvsjoen | the few examples I found were outdated |
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| 14:52.28 | Aldus | Hi. I have to download data from a website that is login protected. I have the login data, but it's over 40000 pages and I don't want to save them manually. Is there any command-line browser that could allow me to authenticate and download the pages to files? Firefox only can open them to tabs or windows and not save to files :( |
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| 14:52.40 | OldMonk | Aldus: wget |
| 14:53.03 | debi4 | mirror repos have same packages as US debian repos with same package versions ? |
| 14:53.09 | liable | it can do auth? |
| 14:53.10 | Aldus | i can't authenticate with wget for some reason, the login form contains some javascript |
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| 14:53.27 | rvsjoen | does the site do cookies ? |
| 14:53.27 | OldMonk | liable: it can do http auth |
| 14:53.31 | Aldus | rvs yes |
| 14:53.41 | icebrain | Aldus: DownThemAll? |
| 14:53.51 | Aldus | I will check it |
| 14:53.51 | rvsjoen | you should be able to save the cookie and make curl send it with the requests |
| 14:54.05 | rvsjoen | wget probably also does it |
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| 14:54.19 | Aldus | It would be very good, but the cookies are the same for all browsers? |
| 14:54.20 | icebrain | Aldus: DTA can save all the links to files |
| 14:55.13 | Aldus | the links are a lot.... |
| 14:55.19 | Aldus | 1 - 10 first last etc. |
| 14:55.22 | Aldus | pagination |
| 14:55.32 | enouf | check out xml2? |
| 14:55.35 | icebrain | Oh, it has pages? Hmm, not sure then |
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| 14:55.55 | Aldus | it uses querystrings ... like index.php?p=1 ... 100000 |
| 14:56.06 | Aldus | I just have to bypass the login thing somehow |
| 14:56.10 | debi4 | is there any difference in local mirror and US repositories other than speed like some packages are missing in local mirror ? |
| 14:56.11 | Aldus | then I could use wget :( |
| 14:56.23 | amimusa | thanks, good bye |
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| 14:56.48 | icebrain | Aldus: try writing "javascript:alert(document.cookie);", I think you can use that info in wget's cookie files |
| 14:56.58 | themill | Aldus: wget can send cookies from a cookies.txt file |
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| 14:57.24 | Aldus | where can I find cookies.txt? Firefox 3 uses sqlite cookies |
| 14:57.49 | icebrain | Aldus: copy the content printed by javascript:alert(document.cookie); |
| 14:57.59 | icebrain | Aldus: save it on a text file |
| 14:58.03 | enouf | rvsjoen: might also be of interest; user-mode-linux-doc: /usr/share/doc/user-mode-linux-doc/html/networking.html |
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| 14:58.55 | icebrain | Aldus: then you can use wget --load-cookies=file |
| 14:59.27 | themill | Aldus: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8154 or http://blog.schlunzen.org/2008/06/19/firefox-3-und-cookiestxt/ |
| 14:59.50 | themill | Aldus: or use the javascript icebrain suggested |
| 14:59.56 | Aldus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:01.30 | enouf | what the world needs more of ... javashit ... just to annoy everyone |
| 15:01.36 | rvsjoen | hehe |
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| 15:02.50 | ringo999 | how can i query the range of public ips an institution owns? whois? |
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| 15:05.42 | rvsjoen | eat me |
| 15:05.42 | AliTarihi | I get errors compiling a package any idea: http://pastebin.com/m724a7806 |
| 15:05.43 | underdev | anyone know where apache.conf is located by default in debian 4? |
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| 15:06.16 | themill | underdev: apache2.2 or apache1.3? |
| 15:06.22 | rvsjoen | enouf : ok, when I create the tap device manually instead of using uml utilities (uml_net) it works! |
| 15:06.28 | rvsjoen | yay |
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| 15:06.45 | underdev | themill not sure |
| 15:06.48 | stew | underdev: /etc/apache2 ; but you shouldn't edit it. edit one of the files in /etc/apache2/{sites-enabled,port.conf,httpd.conf} instead |
| 15:06.51 | rvsjoen | so I guess it is the uml_net that is borked |
| 15:07.42 | underdev | duh, ty |
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| 15:07.51 | themill | underdev: /msg dpkg apache it works |
| 15:08.01 | scientes | phew |
| 15:08.06 | scientes | finially fixed that |
| 15:08.17 | scientes | that is a pain, accidentially half-upgrading your system |
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| 15:09.27 | enouf | rvsjoen: interesting .. hrm |
| 15:10.13 | Sebi | is there any grub2 devel? |
| 15:10.26 | enouf | Sebi: the channel #grub |
| 15:10.34 | Sebi | tx. |
| 15:10.45 | rvsjoen | i will do some more research now that I am able to confirm the tuntap device works |
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| 15:11.13 | enouf | rvsjoen: manually with /sbin/MAKEDEV or mknod? or ...? |
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| 15:12.29 | bolt-work | noooes! |
| 15:12.30 | rvsjoen | no, the tun device is ok, when running uml with uml_net I specify eth0=tuntap,,,192.168.0.253, which causes uml_net to create a tap0 device on the host with that IP when eth0 is brought up |
| 15:12.46 | rvsjoen | instead I create tap0 manually, gave it that ip and passed eth0=tuntap,tap0 to uml |
| 15:12.56 | enouf | ahh |
| 15:13.18 | rvsjoen | so uml_net is doing something else when trying to create the tap device |
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| 15:26.52 | doudou | I did it, i found a mini.iso that worked, but it is rather slow |
| 15:27.38 | doudou | now, i have a fresh new debian, only xserver-xorg-common fluxbox xterm weechat xpdf |
| 15:28.14 | doudou | i want to have a mono2.0 machine, how should i proceed? i must upgrade etch to another? |
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| 15:29.38 | doudou | or i must download sources to install? |
| 15:30.10 | doudou | did you ban me 10 minutes again? Maulkin is back? |
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| 15:31.00 | Maulkin | No, everyone is just ignoring you. |
| 15:31.07 | stew | doudou: there is no ban, no |
| 15:31.14 | Maior | u/lastlog doudou |
| 15:31.16 | Maior | oops |
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| 15:32.10 | doudou | i did my network install from last debian and another usb drive, with mini.iso the kernel and initrd where strong enought to install everything |
| 15:32.17 | Chris7mas | sal all |
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| 15:32.45 | jpinx | I have a wireless router - how can I see if anyone is piggy-backing my connection? |
| 15:33.07 | petemc | jpinx: a lot of routers show a table of clients mac addresses |
| 15:33.15 | doudou | Maulkin you are not a logic man, a logic man cant say : i am ignoring you, that's nonsense |
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| 15:33.45 | jpinx | petemc: thanks - I have the interface page open in a browser - I'll have to search for the mac... |
| 15:33.59 | doudou | -disconnected from server- |
| 15:34.00 | rvsjoen | does debian have a default location for iptables-save (that's actually executed on boot) ? |
| 15:34.14 | stew | rvsjoen: no |
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| 15:34.27 | rvsjoen | alrighty then |
| 15:34.51 | stew | rvsjoen: i'd recommend loading it from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:35.26 | OldMonk | rvsjoen: ...or just install lokkit |
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| 15:35.37 | rvsjoen | is the order the interfaces are brought up deterministic ? |
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| 15:35.43 | doudou | so my question is to be precise: should i upgrade the etch to another strange name and then i will be able to aptitude mono2.0 and monodevelopp, or should i try to download sources and install from my new clean debian |
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| 15:35.58 | shad0w | debian lenny will come with kde4.2? |
| 15:36.01 | abrotman | no |
| 15:36.03 | stew | shad0w: no |
| 15:36.12 | doudou | or what should i read to get answer to this kind of question |
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| 15:36.17 | stew | doudou: for upgrading from etch to lenny, follow chapter 4 of the release notes: /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 15:36.36 | stew | doudou: http://packages.debian.org/packagename can tell you which version of a package comes with which release |
| 15:36.47 | doudou | thanks stew |
| 15:36.47 | shad0w | when will kde4.2 move to testing? |
| 15:36.56 | themill | judd versions mono-common |
| 15:36.58 | judd | themill: mono-common -- etch: 1.2.2.1-1etch1 etch-security: 1.2.2.1-1etch1 etch-backports: 1.9.1+dfsg-4~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.9.1+dfsg-6 sid: 1.9.1+dfsg-6 experimental: 2.0.1-4 |
| 15:37.24 | stew | shad0w: it will move to unstable shortly after lenny releases, how long it will take to migrate to testing is hard to predict |
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| 15:37.55 | Aldus | the solution with wget worked. Now I have a performance question. Actually my scripts: download from remote with wget, opens a file, write the contents inside this file, echoes some output, goes to the next file. Is creating new files a very resource intensive thing? Would it be better to have shorter times to use mysql to store in a database? (I am talking about 200000-300000 pages) |
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| 15:38.05 | shad0w | thnx stew kde4.1.4 will go to testing now? |
| 15:38.14 | shad0w | after lenny release i mean |
| 15:38.31 | stew | shad0w: no, the first 4.x release in unstable or testing will be 4.2 |
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| 15:38.50 | OldMonk | Aldus: how will you write it into a database? |
| 15:39.07 | Aldus | probably with php |
| 15:39.13 | stew | shad0w: probably whatever is in experimental now |
| 15:39.28 | Aldus | or whatever else, even mysql command line |
| 15:39.32 | shad0w | ok i see stew |
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| 15:39.41 | shad0w | thnx bro |
| 15:39.48 | OldMonk | Aldus: wget will probably still make temporary files |
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| 15:40.18 | Aldus | is the output anyhow relevant? |
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| 15:40.23 | Aldus | (the echo) |
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| 15:41.13 | user_corrupt | how do a view the permissions settings of a folder from the command line? |
| 15:41.22 | OldMonk | Aldus: you can turn that off with --queit |
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| 15:41.31 | OldMonk | user_corrupt: ls -ld $folder |
| 15:41.41 | stew | user_corrupt: "ls -ld /path/to/driectory" or "stat /path/to/directory" |
| 15:41.46 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 15:42.08 | doudou | there is only one trick in netinst to usb, when you boot debian wrote root=/dev/sda1 but motherboard decided to /dev/sde1, i suppose that debian install should move to use uuid in the grub config file |
| 15:42.31 | burris | ok silly question, I have a .deb file, I want to install this .deb but also automatically download all dependencies, best I can figure is "dpkg -i" followed by "apt-get -f install" is there a better way? |
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| 15:43.05 | stew | burris: that is the recommended way |
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| 15:43.13 | burris | thanks stew! |
| 15:43.24 | stew | perhaps gdebi can do something different |
| 15:43.28 | stew | but i've never used it |
| 15:43.45 | Aldus | thanks |
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| 15:44.35 | tulas | exit |
| 15:44.48 | burris | looks like gdebi can do it and it also doesn't have to use gtk or whatever |
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| 15:49.33 | doudou | i change in /etc/apt/sources.list etch to sid and main to experimental |
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| 15:50.37 | jelly | Aldus: you might be able to optimize the connections to the remote site by creating a file with a list of urls, and make wget use that, wget should be able to figure out it can reuse the same http connection. |
| 15:51.14 | themill | dpkg: tell doudou about sources.list |
| 15:51.28 | themill | doudou: please rtfm. That's not how you do it on so many counts. |
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| 15:51.30 | jelly | Aldus: if the remote site isn't under your control, unannounced hammering with 200k requests might be taken as hostility; be polite |
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| 15:52.39 | themill | Aldus: --random-wait can be useful. (see man wget) |
| 15:52.58 | doudou | themill i never understood where is the manual, and what dpkg means |
| 15:53.38 | bolt-work | doudou: the manual is a program you have installed. just type "man wget" without quotes in your console |
| 15:53.44 | doudou | themill i google debian etch sid, and found a page telling what to do change in sources.list |
| 15:53.49 | Doonz | hey guys. when i do a list -l how do i make it list based on the date/time versus alphebetical |
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| 15:55.16 | themill | doudou: If you don't understand that dpkg just told you to "man sources.list", then perhaps you'd do better in #debian-fr. Also, the rule for both sid and experimental is "if you don't already know how to do it, we're not going to help you". You have to be capable of finding and reading documentation yourself before you go anywhere near either sid or experimental. And to be perfectly blunt, I don't believe you are up to that challenge. |
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| 15:55.35 | parsifal_ | If anyone wants to know how to get up and running with Lenny and X, under VirtualBox, I'm your guy :P |
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| 15:56.29 | doudou | themill debian-fr is not a help channel, it is a channel you can go and drink a beer thats all |
| 15:56.54 | themill | doudou: #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net? |
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| 15:58.43 | doudou | i did man wget and man sources.list i did not got any answer of how go from etch to sid experimental, anyhow mono is 2.2 and sid experimental is only mono2.0 so i must try to download and compile mono2.0 and you may know what lol is that task |
| 15:59.06 | stew | doudou: you don't want sid or eperimental |
| 15:59.13 | stew | experimental* |
| 15:59.40 | themill | you probably don't actually want mono 2.2 |
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| 16:00.04 | stew | doudou: you might want /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:00.12 | doudou | yes i want mono2.2 monodevelopp1.9 and ironpython, how i dont know |
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| 16:00.45 | stew | doudou: if you wnat mono2.2 and it isn't in debian, your choices are to try to install it from source, following upstream's instructions, or wait |
| 16:00.45 | g00se | What's a good lightweight Quicktime moview viewer (Etch mplayer's crashing with .mov files)? |
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| 16:03.46 | jelly | g00se: is that the mplayer from the distro, or from debian-multimedia? |
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| 16:04.51 | jelly | g00se: if it's from the distro, try the one from "/msg dpkg dmm etch" |
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| 16:05.52 | g00se | jelly: Thanks - that's a new one on me |
| 16:06.23 | g00se | wn |
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| 16:07.59 | jelly | g00se: http://debian-multimedia.org for more details (/msg dpkg d-m) |
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| 16:10.57 | g00se | jelly: Thanks |
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| 16:15.06 | samuel | hello guys |
| 16:16.14 | samuel | guys, I have a dual boot computer, with time set @ local in hardware, linux time is off by -6 (from gmt) - how can i tell debian that the time in hardware is set to local time, not utc? |
| 16:16.33 | stew | samuel: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 16:16.55 | samuel | stew: perfect, thanks! |
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| 16:21.58 | g00se_ | jelly: Do you find the multimedia package apps generally more stable then? |
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| 16:28.19 | jelly | g00se_: at least for mplayer and mencoder, they're not crippled. |
| 16:28.36 | jelly | g00se_: debian has to remove some functionality because of patent issues |
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| 16:32.35 | enouf | and ffmpeg, iinm |
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| 16:35.59 | mib_gk8spprs | I just got my own virtual txt msg business card keyword with unlimited usage for free from a company called sundrop systems http://www.sundropsystems.com/mytxtra/Bcard/ |
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| 16:37.10 | nfi|ermes | i have a bash scricpt that begin in this way: /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -f notifiche@grupposilo.it << EOF |
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| 16:37.27 | nfi|ermes | when i run it : scripts/notify.sh: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `&' |
| 16:37.54 | doudou | themill i did it easily : #debian-fr: You're banned from that channel |
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| 16:38.05 | myeggo | hello |
| 16:38.21 | myeggo | if i change my current nvidia 6600 gforce for nvidia 7300 pci express |
| 16:38.25 | myeggo | i will need reinstall driver? |
| 16:38.29 | myeggo | or the current one can handle it |
| 16:39.24 | themill | doudou: does the fact that you get banned from every channel you go to not make you stop and think about your interactions with others? |
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| 16:41.37 | nfi|ermes | when i run it : scripts/notify.sh: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `&' |
| 16:41.57 | themill | nfi|ermes: do you literally have < in there or do you have a < ? |
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| 16:42.36 | themill | nfi|ermes: and the first line should be #!/bin/sh for the script. |
| 16:43.39 | bolt-work | myeggo: how are we supposed to know what your current driver is? |
| 16:43.53 | doudou | themill i have not all the words needed to explain you, how obsolete i consider your idea of interactions with others |
| 16:44.30 | myeggo | oh right, sorry my stupidness |
| 16:44.41 | myeggo | i ahve installed the driver from repository, i also dont know what exactly it is |
| 16:44.44 | myeggo | where can i see it? |
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| 16:46.10 | themill | doudou: perhaps you've just answered your own question as to why you find it so hard to get help. Actually, you've probably answered in in two ways: you lack the language skills and you don't seem to understand that when you annoy volunteers, they stop volunteering to help you. |
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| 16:47.14 | bolt-work | doudou: you are using a communication protocol from the 80's to try and get help and then complain about obsolete ways to interact? |
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| 16:47.18 | enouf | however, i do like that use of obsolete there :-P |
| 16:47.44 | petemc | acting like a dick is the future for sure |
| 16:47.48 | doudou | themill maybe you give too much value to your help |
| 16:47.57 | enouf | but obtuse might be more apropos :-) .. or maybe isocsoles :-P |
| 16:48.19 | themill | doudou: I do, however, value my time. And no more of it is going to be spent on you. |
| 16:48.22 | themill | *plonk* |
| 16:48.32 | enouf | knows he seriously mangled that spelling ... |
| 16:48.40 | stew | actutely |
| 16:48.52 | enouf | !ding |
| 16:48.52 | dpkg | i guess ding is a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/ |
| 16:49.08 | bolt-work | enouf, gratz |
| 16:49.08 | doudou | themill i would never complain about someone shuting up, i will ever complain about someone helping without the will nor the mood to help |
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| 16:49.56 | doudou | themill there is no help at all saying "you must search", you are only helping yourself |
| 16:50.05 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 16:50.05 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell", a non-POSIX compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org |
| 16:50.15 | paxcoder | debian doesn't ship with non-free repo on the mediums, correct? |
| 16:50.15 | enouf | stew: i find your comment highly ... tangential :-P |
| 16:50.32 | beardy | Incorrect. |
| 16:50.36 | doudou | themill there is no help considering system is good and ppl is the failure, better is to shut up thats my credo |
| 16:50.46 | enouf | paxcoder: no .. not even contrib , IIRC .. oh? |
| 16:51.01 | bolt-work | doudou: i suggest you try that |
| 16:51.01 | rvsjoen | heh |
| 16:51.02 | stew | doudou: his "*plonk*" comment was an indication that he now has you on ignore. as this is not really on-topic, can you please stop? |
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| 16:51.15 | beardy | !plonk |
| 16:51.16 | dpkg | methinks plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 16:51.35 | paxcoder | enouf: i'm sorry i don't understand. is that a yes or no? |
| 16:51.56 | enouf | paxcoder: i'm questioning myself - not your fault .. i was unclear |
| 16:52.02 | doudou | more there is a big problem trying to make ppl beleive they are different from others, there is not a gap between all, and some talented persons do not show any talent to prose anormaly complex system |
| 16:52.36 | stew | doudou: wrong channel. please keep this channel on-topic. |
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| 16:52.39 | paxcoder | beardy? |
| 16:53.13 | beardy | paxcoder: I only have Woody on CD. It had it all, if things hasn't changed, everything in Debian is shipped on CD's, in the free world. |
| 16:53.20 | enouf | beardy: care to clarify .. i thought i only recall seeing ../poo/main/..... (i guess i should mount an ISO) |
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| 16:53.33 | enouf | er s/poo/pool .. heh |
| 16:53.33 | doudou | stew, consider why that this may be in right channel indeed, but ok i will stop, i think i have been enought clear |
| 16:53.43 | paxcoder | enouf: lol |
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| 16:53.56 | beardy | enouf: Haha |
| 16:54.00 | bolt-work | doudou: your input will be taken into consideration and a reply may be posted some time next fall |
| 16:54.25 | paxcoder | beardy: enouf: i have an idea. why don't i pop my DVD in and take a look, eh? XD |
| 16:54.35 | enouf | paxcoder: win! :-p |
| 16:54.37 | beardy | paxcoder: Brilliant idea good Sir. |
| 16:54.54 | stew | doudou: this is definately the wrong channel, it seems like your ranting might be better in a social channel like #debian-offtopic or #defocus, or perhaps ##philosophy. please only use this channel for debian end-user support |
| 16:55.14 | rvsjoen | hm.. aptitude's nice lines has been replaced by characters, I thought changing the locale would help but noo.. |
| 16:55.45 | enouf | paxcoder: though .. there might be other areas, with things like linux-modules-extra and such dispersed elsewhere on the medium - so it might not be as easy as looking where i imply |
| 16:56.23 | themill | rvsjoen: /msg dpkg ssh linedraw |
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| 16:57.04 | paxcoder | beardy: enouf: cd has main only in pool. dvd includes contrib too. and those are just the 1st medium |
| 16:57.15 | rvsjoen | ty |
| 16:57.21 | doudou | stew, why can you determine that? |
| 16:57.22 | themill | paxcoder: /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 16:58.12 | stew | doudou: because i'm one of the moderators of this channel. please drop it and stay on topic |
| 16:58.25 | beardy | paxcoder: Well. It's the same content on both cd:s and dvd:s, and I am quite sure, until proven that I'm wrong, that they contain main, contrib, and non-free. |
| 16:58.27 | doudou | stew, strange for a channel of random ppl, that some act if here is organized like army, captain stew? |
| 16:58.31 | enouf | hrm ... /mnt/point/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6/nic-extra-modules-2.6.18-3-486-di_1.38_i386.udeb Yes, i see paxcoder |
| 16:58.35 | doudou | ok moderators |
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| 16:58.47 | doudou | anyway mono2.2 compiled |
| 16:58.56 | bolt-work | doudou: i'd advice you to stop it right about now |
| 16:58.57 | rvsjoen | aptitude works fine on my machine in xterm, but not in the uml guest (also in an xterm), I tried both en_US iso-8859-1 and utf-8 |
| 16:58.57 | enouf | paxcoder: let me peek inside that udeb though .. one sec |
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| 16:59.01 | beardy | Captain stew, what shall we do, doudou made a dodo! |
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| 16:59.24 | Ace2016_- | Whats the best gui app to edit .cpp files in? one that makes stuff clickable so you can walk through it seeing what stuff do? |
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| 16:59.37 | beardy | Ace2016_-: $FAVOURITEGUIEDITOR |
| 16:59.51 | Ace2016_- | -.- |
| 16:59.52 | doudou | stew, please make them shut up, they are boringly trolling me |
| 17:00.02 | stew | doudou: use /ignore |
| 17:00.11 | Ace2016_- | beardy: echo $FAVOURITEGUIEDITOR |
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| 17:00.47 | enouf | paxcoder: i don't even know if all those modules within that udeb i mentioned (just by chance, i happen to grab that one, but it did come from beneath /pool/main/ ...) so .. my answer is? i'm not sure :-P |
| 17:00.58 | triplc | is lenny out today? |
| 17:01.00 | themill | Ace2016_-: kdevelop is nice for that |
| 17:01.01 | doudou | i wont spend time to learn /ignore command, i leave girls |
| 17:01.01 | beardy | Ace2016_-: :) I prefer non gui editors. But maybe what you want is an IDE, if you want to follow functions and such. |
| 17:01.17 | stew | triplc: no, hopefully tomorrow |
| 17:01.19 | beardy | Leave one for me. |
| 17:01.33 | triplc | stew, nice |
| 17:01.37 | bolt-work | "learn" /ignore? that's a new one. i must write that down |
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| 17:01.45 | triplc | using lenny for half a year by now |
| 17:01.46 | paxcoder | enouf: i tried searching for unrar, but only unrar-free came up. i did find nvidia-kernel though, but i don't know weather that is the proprietary thing. |
| 17:02.00 | Ace2016_- | beardy: yea i want clickable functions |
| 17:02.01 | dutchfish | paxcoder, non-free |
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| 17:02.19 | enouf | paxcoder: show me what's in nvidia-kernel - that's likely only a script ... |
| 17:02.21 | Ace2016_- | themill: trying kdevelop, doesn't seem to have clickable things |
| 17:02.38 | paxcoder | enouf: pool/contrib/n/nvidia-kernel-common/nvidia-kernel-common_20080825+1_all.deb |
| 17:02.45 | paxcoder | oh wait |
| 17:02.47 | Ace2016_- | how does one even get firmilear with a huge bit of unknown code? you can't read it like a book since it jumps all over the place |
| 17:02.49 | themill | Ace2016_-: it has ctags support. I'm not sure what more you want |
| 17:02.53 | enouf | paxcoder: that likely reaches out to nvidia.com and d/l's the ... er .. dpkg -c paxcoder |
| 17:03.10 | enouf | paxcoder: er, you have /contrib/ :-P |
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| 17:03.25 | dutchfish | Ace2016_-, use a IDE with a colapsing tree-view |
| 17:03.39 | paxcoder | enouf: it says a binary: http://packages.debian.org/etch/nvidia-kernel-common |
| 17:03.53 | paxcoder | enouf: no wait. that's dependency |
| 17:03.58 | enouf | paxcoder: i've loop mounted only a netinstall ISO, not DVD1.. which as you know, has much less software |
| 17:04.09 | Ace2016_- | dutchfish: like? |
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| 17:04.37 | dutchfish | Ace2016_-, eclipse geany etc etc |
| 17:04.39 | themill | Ace2016_-: kdevelop has a collapsing tree view of the class hierarchy |
| 17:04.49 | dutchfish | themill, yep |
| 17:04.58 | beardy | Obviously the netinstall images doesn't need, or have contrib or non-free. |
| 17:04.59 | Ace2016_- | themill: just found it |
| 17:05.00 | enouf | paxcoder: ls pool/ :-) |
| 17:05.18 | paxcoder | enouf: it has 4 kB, so it's not a driver |
| 17:05.39 | enouf | beardy: you've helped me expel my brainfart .. thanks :-) |
| 17:05.52 | paxcoder | enouf: and it's part of contrib, so... *shrugs* |
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| 17:07.33 | booiiing | hi all |
| 17:07.56 | booiiing | i have a question about flashplayer-nonfree-extrasound |
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| 17:08.28 | booiiing | some months ago i switched to using oss4 instead of alsa and stayed there, since i had much better sound |
| 17:08.45 | Stuckey | hello |
| 17:08.45 | paxcoder | enouf: beardy: can we conclude there's no non-free stuff (only contrib) on dvd's? themill? |
| 17:08.46 | booiiing | so i looked for a way to get sound from all applications to use oss |
| 17:08.57 | Stuckey | could anyone tell me how I can find out if a printer is compatible with post script? |
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| 17:09.15 | enouf | !policy |
| 17:09.15 | dpkg | from memory, policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 17:09.19 | booiiing | flashplayer needed -extrasound back then, but i remember reading that it would not be needed with flashplayer 10 |
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| 17:09.33 | OldMonk | Stuckey: if you mean, whether the printer has PS, then check the printer specs |
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| 17:09.48 | themill | paxcoder: aiui, yes. But I'm sure that's documented somewhere. |
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| 17:09.52 | Stuckey | OldMonk: It doesn't say on the brother website (http://www.brother-usa.com/mfc/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=MFC5490CN) |
| 17:10.05 | booiiing | as it is officially released and distributed by debian now, i am using flashplayer 10 now and i am interested in how i would get sound to work with oss now? |
| 17:10.09 | OldMonk | Stuckey: if it doesn't then it probably doesn't have PS |
| 17:10.25 | booiiing | by the way: i am on x86_64, so no -extrasound-package for me :( |
| 17:10.26 | paxcoder | shrugs |
| 17:10.33 | OldMonk | Stuckey: why do you need PS anyway? on linux the drivers do a fair job of rendering PS for various printers |
| 17:10.40 | wallunit | At the moment i am using aterm but i am looking for a cool alternative terminal supporting unicode. |
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| 17:10.50 | stew | flashplayer 10 is not released nor distributed by debian |
| 17:11.16 | Stuckey | OldMonk: Because PS is the most efficient way to do it. It's faster using PS. |
| 17:11.22 | themill | OldMonk: ps=>${random printer language} rarely has the printer doing 35ppm as described in those specs. |
| 17:11.29 | paxcoder | themill: enouf: beardy: here's for the conclusion: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#nonfree |
| 17:11.49 | paxcoder | the answer is no, debian doesn't put non free on their CD's (mediums) |
| 17:11.51 | booiiing | stew, i maybe used a wrong formulation, since i am not a native english speaker. i hope you can forgive me |
| 17:12.01 | OldMonk | ah, i didn't know that printer rendering of PS was faster than cpu rendering |
| 17:12.27 | booiiing | i meant that flashplayer 10 has been released and the installer-script which is distributed in the non-free-section of debian installs that version |
| 17:12.46 | themill | OldMonk: it's not the rendering that takes the time, it's that you often end up with a multi-MB raster image of each page being sent to the printer. |
| 17:12.54 | stew | booiiing: pardon me, i'm being pedantic |
| 17:12.59 | OldMonk | themill: i see |
| 17:13.15 | booiiing | wallunit, there is an xterm with unicode-support |
| 17:13.34 | booiiing | gnome-terminal supports unicode, too |
| 17:13.59 | themill | Stuckey: I'm sure someone pointed you to the linux printing website earlier: http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Brother-MFC-5490CN |
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| 17:14.38 | wallunit | booiiing: thanks. I know gnome-terminal but i am looking for something lightwight. unicode-xterm sounds good |
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| 17:15.01 | stew | wallunit: rxvt-unicode is another |
| 17:15.33 | Stuckey | themill: Yeah but it doesn't say if it supports PS |
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| 17:15.41 | Stuckey | themill: It just says it doesn't support PJL---what's that? |
| 17:16.20 | themill | Stuckey: it doesn't support PS (that page would say so if it did). It does, however, say that it works perfectly, which is normally a good sign. People normally note if a printer is slow with the drivers that are used. |
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| 17:20.16 | enouf | paxcoder: aye - no we know :-p |
| 17:20.23 | enouf | er s/no/now |
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| 17:20.36 | paxcoder | hehe |
| 17:20.41 | kolpur | can we create new documents or presentations from terminal ? |
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| 17:20.44 | paxcoder | unless dreaded blobs creep in |
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| 17:21.24 | kolpur | can we create new documents or presentations from terminal ? |
| 17:21.26 | kolpur | can we create new documents or presentations from terminal ? |
| 17:21.28 | kolpur | can we create new documents or presentations from terminal ? |
| 17:21.32 | enouf | ... |
| 17:21.43 | Spida | kolpur: (la)tex. |
| 17:21.52 | Spida | kolpur: and stop flooding. |
| 17:21.56 | stew | kolpur: please don't repeat yourself like that |
| 17:22.01 | Spida | kolpur: and who is "we"? |
| 17:22.13 | kolpur | nobody was giving a reply in many channels ... so just got irrirtated |
| 17:22.17 | kolpur | irritated |
| 17:22.25 | kolpur | thank you Spida |
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| 17:23.23 | Stuckey | Could someone tell me what exactly CUPS is and what it does? Do you have to have it installed to print? |
| 17:23.33 | Spida | kolpur: cross-posting is as bad as flooding. meaning, you aren't trusting the people you asked to help you and wasting the time of other people after you already got help |
| 17:23.43 | booiiing | kolpur, not getting an answer could be related to your bad question |
| 17:24.04 | Stuckey | themill: I just read in the tldp that most printers "native language" isn't Postscript. |
| 17:24.11 | booiiing | kolpur, maybe you should have a look at http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 17:24.13 | kolpur | can we create new documents using openoffice command in terminal |
| 17:24.19 | Stuckey | kolpur: Yes |
| 17:24.49 | Spida | booiiing: i was just opening that page... |
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| 17:25.42 | kolpur | in manpage of openoffice there is no option of creating a new ones |
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| 17:25.52 | kolpur | it was only opening the existing files |
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| 17:26.07 | Orbixx | Hi, can anybody help with some dependancy issues when installing webmin with dpkg? |
| 17:26.25 | booiiing | kolpur, by simply running "oowriter" for example, you will open an empty writing-document |
| 17:26.38 | Orbixx | http://pastebin.com/d17a0f3ce |
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| 17:26.51 | stew | Orbixx: you should be asking whoever created that webmin package, and note that the debs from the webmin authors are notably poor quality |
| 17:26.52 | kolpur | if i want to name the document say "accountdetails" |
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| 17:27.12 | kolpur | oowriter accountdetails is unable to do that |
| 17:27.25 | stew | Orbixx: "aptitude -f install" should fix the broken dependencies |
| 17:27.25 | Orbixx | http://pastebin.com/d1df71414 <- The apt-get to install the dependancies |
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| 17:27.51 | abrotman | Orbixx: you your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 17:28.36 | Orbixx | stew: Looks like it's working... |
| 17:28.42 | kolpur | <Orbixx> : its clear that libnet-ssleay-perl package isn't available in repository |
| 17:28.45 | Orbixx | stew: I used apt-get -f install, which didn't work. |
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| 17:29.02 | stew | Orbixx: but what did? aptitude? |
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| 17:31.22 | milinek | hi all, i've problem with Debian 5 on FreeRunner. Ordinary user can't use any internet applications, e.g. with ping, it says ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted, what can i do please? |
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| 17:31.31 | tourett_ | http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/3391499/ I`m poor ! thanks |
| 17:31.34 | tourett_ | http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/3391499/ I`m poor ! thanks |
| 17:31.49 | dutchfish | !tell milinek about sudo |
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| 17:32.05 | Ljudkort | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.09 | OldMonk | milinek: is /bin/ping setuid root? |
| 17:32.36 | milinek | OldMonk: yes, but it is only for ping, and e.g. gajim doesn't work too |
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| 17:33.00 | kolpur | milinek : check out the user privileges |
| 17:33.07 | OldMonk | milinek: is / mounted nosuid? |
| 17:33.29 | OldMonk | milinek: let's look at ping first, shall we? |
| 17:34.24 | milinek | OldMonk: i know that it works with setuid |
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| 17:34.41 | OldMonk | milinek: so is /bin/ping setuid? |
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| 17:36.27 | Stuckey | Does anyone know of a decent scanner/printer that's Postscript compatible? |
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| 17:36.54 | milinek | OldMonk: now i set it, and ping works |
| 17:37.03 | OldMonk | milinek: congrats :) |
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| 17:39.43 | milinek | OldMonk: but main problem, with gajim still exists :-( |
| 17:39.57 | OldMonk | since i don't know what gajim is i won't comment |
| 17:40.13 | milinek | OldMonk: oh, sry - jabber client |
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| 17:40.56 | OldMonk | milinek: and what's the error that gajim gives? |
| 17:41.19 | enouf | chimes in with; " since i don't know what gajim, nor jabber client is, i won't comment" |
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| 17:41.51 | milinek | OldMonk: no errors :-(, neither from shell |
| 17:42.06 | milinek | *nor is better here i think |
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| 17:44.36 | OldMonk | milinek: do other, simpler internet applications word? |
| 17:44.40 | OldMonk | er, work? |
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| 17:45.37 | JBzh | Hi |
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| 17:46.20 | milinek | OldMonk: ssh works, so it seems to be other problem :-/ |
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| 17:46.38 | OldMonk | milinek: could be a firewall somewhere |
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| 17:48.38 | milinek | OldMonk: will be a gajim problem, because says couldn't connect to gmail.com, but ping ping to gmail ok |
| 17:48.45 | JyZyXEL | how do you get Flash working in Konqueror? |
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| 17:49.13 | JyZyXEL | does someone package Adobe Flash for Debian? |
| 17:49.17 | enouf | JyZyXEL: maybe tryenabling plugins in Settings > configure konqout > plugins |
| 17:49.40 | milinek | OldMonk: so very thanks for Your help with ping, i'll look for some another jabber client |
| 17:49.47 | JyZyXEL | flash is probably not going to be on offical repos |
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| 17:50.09 | niez | hello |
| 17:50.15 | OldMonk | milinek: could your configuration be incorrect? |
| 17:50.22 | OldMonk | wrong port or server, e.g.? |
| 17:50.42 | abrotman | !tell JyZyXEL about dmm |
| 17:50.51 | abrotman | or use gnash/swf-dec |
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| 17:50.59 | niez | is there any web interface for cd/dvd burning tools? |
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| 17:51.18 | lhgergo | hi |
| 17:51.27 | milinek | OldMonk: not impossible, but i double checked it, so not probable |
| 17:51.30 | JyZyXEL | apt-cache search flash not good enough |
| 17:51.54 | JyZyXEL | | grep Adobe helped |
| 17:51.56 | lhgergo | when is the stable lenny going to be avalaible? |
| 17:52.27 | cahoot | lhgergo: see topic? |
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| 17:53.40 | lhgergo | thanks :) |
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| 18:03.08 | JyZyXEL | iceweasel uses some different adobe flashplayer? |
| 18:03.23 | JyZyXEL | it stopped working and youtube player is just empty black box |
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| 18:05.02 | JyZyXEL | enouf btw there is no plugin section in konqueror |
| 18:05.08 | samuel_ | anyone here use roundcube from repos? |
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| 18:06.05 | samuel | I cant seem to figure out how to run roundcube |
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| 18:06.31 | enouf | JyZyXEL: there is in mine |
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| 18:07.50 | JyZyXEL | enouf where? o.o |
| 18:08.05 | JyZyXEL | i can't see it anywhere |
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| 18:10.26 | maligor | JyZyXEL, you can see used plugins from: about:plugins |
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| 18:10.32 | filipe | lol Dudu |
| 18:10.40 | maligor | there's a bunch of possible options for adobe flash |
| 18:11.16 | enouf | JyZyXEL: maybe you need to enable it from within kcontrol or something? but it's 2nd from the end/bottom, between Browser Ident, and <Something> |
| 18:11.22 | Dudu | filipe, lollllll |
| 18:11.50 | enouf | JyZyXEL: you are using 3.5.x, yes? |
| 18:12.32 | JyZyXEL | i don't know, the one on lenny :p |
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| 18:15.33 | maligor | is there a standard for loading commands on session startup? (icc profile load) |
| 18:15.42 | enouf | JyZyXEL: looks like this; http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D1EpnOVJuA8/SPr9gvfTpXI/AAAAAAAABc0/RxkzM3g-8vI/s400/konq_plugins.png |
| 18:16.10 | JyZyXEL | yea i don't have that |
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| 18:17.15 | filipe | Dudu |
| 18:17.20 | filipe | you are a noob man |
| 18:18.00 | filipe | ahha |
| 18:18.03 | Dudu | filipe, you are jack lol |
| 18:18.04 | Dudu | kkkkkkkk |
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| 18:19.43 | enouf | JyZyXEL: you're probably using Windows or something |
| 18:20.08 | samuel | is there any way to get apt-get to purge all old config files? |
| 18:20.47 | hark | samuel: aptitude purge ~c |
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| 18:21.20 | jelly | and a shell that doesn't expand ~c to that user's homedir |
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| 18:22.04 | enouf | ewww |
| 18:22.26 | samuel | hark: thanks, easy enough! |
| 18:22.29 | hark | that could be fun |
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| 18:25.19 | master_of_master | hi, does anyone know a equivalent alternativ to 'abook' ? |
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| 18:25.48 | abrotman | which is? |
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| 18:27.12 | enouf | an 'alternative' is usually; a logical and similar other choice :-P |
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| 18:28.22 | master_of_master | enouf: I'm searching for a similar program, so that I can compare |
| 18:28.49 | enouf | audio book? |
| 18:28.54 | abrotman | master_of_master: we're asking you to tell us what 'abook' is |
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| 18:29.14 | enouf | http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html try that |
| 18:29.17 | abrotman | sadly .. enouf thinks he's being funny |
| 18:29.36 | enouf | and don't call me shirley! |
| 18:29.55 | master_of_master | abrotman: sorry, I didn't get that fact. abook is a ncurse based address book |
| 18:30.03 | master_of_master | apt-cache show abook |
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| 18:31.28 | abrotman | then why do you need an alternative if it's in debian ?> |
| 18:32.06 | master_of_master | abrotman: I'd like to know if there is something similar |
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| 18:34.27 | enouf | master_of_master: ~$ apt-cache search address book | wc -l |
| 18:34.28 | enouf | 154 |
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| 18:34.56 | enouf | master_of_master: might want to become aquainted with debtags to ease narrowing the field to ncurses based apps |
| 18:35.07 | abrotman | yeah .. i just tried that .. not much better |
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| 18:35.41 | jamesstanley | Does anyone know how to listen to the sound output with /dev/dsp? |
| 18:35.59 | jamesstanley | I'm talking about reading from it with a C program |
| 18:36.13 | Sbidicuda | hi |
| 18:36.16 | jamesstanley | hi |
| 18:36.27 | Sbidicuda | please I got no dvi output from my radeon 9200 |
| 18:36.43 | Sbidicuda | how can I fix it? |
| 18:37.19 | enouf | gatos? |
| 18:38.30 | DexterF | those still exist? |
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| 18:40.46 | DexterF | I'm upgrading one box here to lenny, there's one thing about aptitude that bugs me on major updates: it asks a lot in between and won't continue until I told it what to do "should I restart this and that, do want to keep config file XY" etc |
| 18:41.56 | DexterF | is there a way to congregate these questions some more so that it requieres less of my attention? |
| 18:41.56 | adama_ | DexterF: you can use aptitude -y |
| 18:41.56 | DexterF | sounds risky. I actually *do* wanna review what aptitude is unsure about. |
| 18:41.58 | enouf | aptitude --leave-me-the-hell-alone install ... |
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| 18:42.37 | adama_ | aptitude -y will still prompt for "dangerous" actions |
| 18:42.46 | pickcoder | DexterF: dump the output to a text file and print it? |
| 18:42.48 | adama_ | says the manpage |
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| 18:43.37 | DexterF | well... question is if that includes merging configs |
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| 18:44.01 | |hashbang| | lol |
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| 18:48.00 | _stack | is it possible to list all the packages offered by a repository? |
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| 18:48.45 | hedgehoginfog | I'm on DHCP and whenever I try to connect with a usual ethernet wire I get no routes and no ip address is given to me after I ifup the interface. However, when I plug the same wire into a wireless access point everything works fine and routes are present. Does it prove that my ethernet connector is damaged/not working? |
| 18:49.03 | abrotman | cross over cable perhaps ? |
| 18:49.10 | abrotman | !tell _stack about which repo |
| 18:49.13 | DexterF | in case someone cares: safe-upgrade failed and bitched about nfs mount and that nfs-common has to be upgraded before mount can be upgraded |
| 18:49.21 | DexterF | did that manually |
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| 18:49.31 | hedgehoginfog | abchirk: I use the same cabel in both cases. |
| 18:49.45 | hedgehoginfog | It was to abrotman. |
| 18:49.58 | abrotman | router? computer? |
| 18:50.06 | |hashbang| | hedgehoginfog: when you use your cable in the other (network switch I assume), is there a DHCP server on that switch? |
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| 18:51.17 | hedgehoginfog | Look guys, I've got a cable coming to my room from nowhere: when I plug it into my laptop internal ethernet card I have no routes and no ip after I set up the interface |
| 18:51.44 | JBzh | !tell JBzh about which repo |
| 18:51.46 | abrotman | nowhere? |
| 18:51.48 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.51 | abrotman | !tell JBzh about selftell |
| 18:51.54 | hedgehoginfog | but when I plug it into a wireless point and set up a wlan interfaces everything works fine. DHCP servers assigns me an address and I have a route to my VPN server. |
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| 18:52.13 | pickcoder | hedgehoginfog: "nowhere" has to be something |
| 18:52.23 | pickcoder | it's either a switch or another router or possibly another PC |
| 18:52.24 | hedgehoginfog | I've no idea what it is. |
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| 18:52.38 | hedgehoginfog | and ISP refuses to talk about that either. |
| 18:52.48 | pickcoder | well for obvious reasons |
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| 18:52.58 | hedgehoginfog | How would you explain that phenomena? |
| 18:53.08 | |hashbang| | hedgehoginfog: if you have a cable coming into your room, and you don't know where it's coming from or where it's plugged into, then I would think that is an issue and explains why you can't get an IP.. |
| 18:53.14 | pickcoder | without knowing what "nowhere" is it's impossible to suggesting anything |
| 18:53.24 | pickcoder | it could be a cable TV drop for all I know |
| 18:53.31 | _stack | abrotman: I wanted to know all the packages avaiable on a certain repository, not installed ones for example.. |
| 18:53.47 | DexterF | hedgehoginfog: do I gather correctly: there's a random cable coming out of... the cellar or so and you wonder why no ISP gives you some IP adress wehen you plug it in? |
| 18:53.47 | hedgehoginfog | |hashbang|: You don't ream me carefully enough. I do get an IP after I plug that cabel to my wife point |
| 18:53.49 | pickcoder | or a cut cable under the floor |
| 18:53.50 | abrotman | _stack: look in the Packages file |
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| 18:54.20 | hedgehoginfog | |hashbang|: THe problem only exists when i'm trying to connect the cable directly to my pc |
| 18:54.25 | abrotman | looks at what appear to be almost 100 RC bugs in lenny |
| 18:54.29 | JBzh | abrotman: sorry about that, didn't know, won't do that again. Thanks :) |
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| 18:54.34 | DexterF | dont plug cables in your wife. unless she's into that sort of thing of course |
| 18:54.37 | pickcoder | abrotman: up and down and back up now? |
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| 18:54.47 | _stack | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:55.00 | DexterF | hedgehoginfog: and do you get out into the www when you go via the AP? |
| 18:55.32 | hedgehoginfog | DexterF: Try to read again. The cable coming from nowhere gives _the_ Internet. Somehow, it does. But the problem is that it only does when a wifi access point is in the game. |
| 18:55.56 | pickcoder | ponders... |
| 18:56.04 | pickcoder | hedgehoginfog: what kind of internet service? |
| 18:56.10 | hedgehoginfog | DexterF: Yes. I can establish a vpn tunnel with my name and password and it works |
| 18:56.10 | DexterF | hedgehoginfog: hot another nic or computer to check with? |
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| 18:56.32 | pickcoder | I'm thinking it's PPPoE on the cable and you're plugging it into the access point which is setup for PPPoE |
| 18:56.43 | pickcoder | you can do that with a nic in Linux but it's not configured that way by default |
| 18:56.50 | DexterF | abrotman: 100 is a tad much for releasing tomorrow I guess? |
| 18:57.01 | hedgehoginfog | DexterF: You mean check the cable? My explanation is that the ethernet connector on my laptop is damaged. |
| 18:57.20 | pickcoder | hedgehoginfog: if you get link status then it's no the nic |
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| 18:57.24 | pickcoder | regardless of routes |
| 18:57.27 | DexterF | hedgehoginfog: good lead there from pickcoder. can you access the AP's conf interface and check what it think of that cable link? |
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| 18:58.00 | hedgehoginfog | hm...I hate to say that, but what's link status? |
| 18:58.09 | pickcoder | the LED that says "I'm alive?" |
| 18:58.15 | pickcoder | or blinks when you have traffic |
| 18:58.28 | pickcoder | or use eth-tool |
| 18:58.33 | pickcoder | to verify link condition |
| 18:58.35 | hedgehoginfog | ah, I have kwifimanager and it blinks and sings and ... |
| 18:58.44 | |hashbang| | or mii-tool |
| 18:59.21 | pickcoder | then do what DexterF suggested and determine how your WAN port is configured on the wifi AP |
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| 18:59.39 | hedgehoginfog | It's interesting that the response from the DHCP server is the same both in case of direct connection and when I'm trying via an AP. |
| 19:00.06 | hedgehoginfog | again, what did DexterF suggest? |
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| 19:00.11 | hedgehoginfog | to check what? |
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| 19:00.29 | pickcoder | login to the AP config web pages and look at the "Internet" or WAN config |
| 19:00.34 | DexterF | access the AP's conf interface and check what it thinks of that WAN link |
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| 19:00.44 | pickcoder | the router probably supports several protocols for connection |
| 19:00.58 | xxiao | is there a way to check the "purity" of a debian installation, i want to check if it's 100% lenny, checksum should be correct, any single dpkg -i packages are reported, etc? |
| 19:01.00 | abrotman | DexterF: not sure .. i'm not an ftp-master |
| 19:01.03 | hedgehoginfog | I don't WANT to use the AP. |
| 19:01.11 | abrotman | xxiao: debsums perhaps |
| 19:01.14 | hedgehoginfog | I want to establish a direct connection which is not working currently |
| 19:01.19 | abrotman | !tell xxiao about which repo |
| 19:01.21 | abrotman | might also help |
| 19:01.24 | hedgehoginfog | What I want is to find out why. |
| 19:01.28 | xxiao | abrotman: tried that, debsums is not really good enough |
| 19:01.37 | stew | xxiao: try apt-show-versions |
| 19:01.44 | pickcoder | hedgehoginfog: and we're trying to help detemermine why but if you can't get the info we ask for them it's hopeless |
| 19:01.50 | pickcoder | meh.. determine |
| 19:01.58 | pickcoder | s/them/then |
| 19:02.15 | xxiao | stew: will do, i want to keep a pure system for my website for security reasons |
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| 19:02.40 | hedgehoginfog | pickcoder: It's either the cable or the connector, right? |
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| 19:03.12 | walle | Hi. I'm looking for a filesystem (probably fuse) which makes it possible to list all files and folders even if the storage is offline (for use with example unionfs). My use for this would be to have several usb devices mounted and mount all those mount points with unionfs, and be able to see the full tree even if i take one offline. Anyone know if such file system exists? |
| 19:03.21 | pickcoder | hedgehoginfog: no! |
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| 19:03.27 | pickcoder | geez.. |
| 19:03.34 | pickcoder | goes back to work |
| 19:03.35 | Orbixx | Can somebody link me to a default sources.list for Debian in the UK/EU? |
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| 19:03.46 | stew | Orbixx: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 19:03.51 | hedgehoginfog | pickcoder: If they both work, the what is the problem? |
| 19:03.55 | hedgehoginfog | then |
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| 19:05.14 | xxiao | stew: apt-show-version did what it says, show-versions, it does not tell me which packages are not from lenny (e.g. dpkg -i ) |
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| 19:06.09 | stew | xxiao: it should say "No available version in archive" if it is not available from debian |
| 19:06.23 | stew | xxiao: hmm, i'm not sure if this would tell you if you have someting newer than lenny |
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| 19:09.07 | xxiao | stew: thanks. upgrading etch to lenny now, some 'dpkg -i' are kept back so i want to check the purity of etch then lenny |
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| 19:10.05 | stew | xxiao: see "/msg dpkg kept back" if you haven't already |
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| 19:12.04 | xxiao | stew: type in here and nothing popped up |
| 19:12.16 | stew | dpkg: tell xxiao about kept back |
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| 19:12.38 | xxiao | still nothing... dpkg ? |
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| 19:12.49 | stew | xxiao: which irc client are you using? |
| 19:13.02 | nixG | is back |
| 19:13.02 | xxiao | stew: mibbit, as i'm behind firewall/proxy |
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| 19:13.29 | stew | xxiao: i don't know how to use mibbit. do you perhaps some other tab for your private conversation with dpkg now? |
| 19:13.30 | xxiao | i failed to set up irssi at work |
| 19:14.03 | xxiao | stew: you're right...reading tab now :) |
| 19:14.23 | th0ger | My ath0 and wifi0 disappeared from ifconfig, and i cant get them up. Which script is supposed to bring them up? |
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| 19:15.15 | hark | does ifconfig -a show them? |
| 19:15.40 | xxiao | th0ger: iwconfig to see if you have any wireless at all |
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| 19:15.53 | hedgehoginfog | sudo iwlist scan |
| 19:16.08 | th0ger | iwconfig gives only eth0 and lo |
| 19:16.22 | hark | th0ger: modprobe -r ath_pci ; modprobe ath_pci. check dmesg |
| 19:16.23 | xxiao | th0ger: that means your wireless card is not set up at all |
| 19:16.48 | th0ger | xxiao: it used to work :-) |
| 19:17.03 | xxiao | hedgehoginfog: if iwconfig is empty, iwlist scan will fail too |
| 19:17.25 | xxiao | th0ger: well as hark said dmesg | grep ath |
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| 19:18.01 | th0ger | dmesg |grep ath it null |
| 19:18.09 | th0ger | is empty |
| 19:18.11 | xxiao | it has been two hours since etch started upgrading to lenny |
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| 19:18.28 | xxiao | so do the modprobe thing as th0ger said |
| 19:18.30 | th0ger | ath_pci seems to be loaded |
| 19:18.39 | jkn | checkout this liberty reserve money spinn promo |
| 19:18.40 | jkn | http://onlinewealthmachine.blogspot.com/ |
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| 19:19.37 | th0ger | lsmod -> ath_pci; still no ath in dmesg |
| 19:19.39 | Petrov | it is true, the new version tomorrow? |
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| 19:22.00 | xxiao | th0ger: does 'cat /proc/interrupts' say anything on ath? |
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| 19:22.13 | xxiao | th0ger: does 'lspci' show anything on 'atheros'? |
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| 19:23.03 | th0ger | interupts say nothing about ath. Should look for? |
| 19:23.29 | th0ger | lspci|grep ath is empty |
| 19:23.42 | xxiao | grep -i ath to ignore case |
| 19:23.48 | shad0w | which card r u trying to install? |
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| 19:24.02 | xxiao | sometimes it says "Atheros" |
| 19:24.36 | th0ger | shad0w: its an acer aspire one, dont know the name of the card |
| 19:24.53 | xxiao | two super capable guru are let go today :( |
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| 19:25.11 | shad0w | and u r trying to install madwifi right? |
| 19:25.20 | th0ger | still no Atheros in lspci |
| 19:25.24 | xxiao | the only "justification" i can think of is their pay |
| 19:25.26 | th0ger | shad0w: yes |
| 19:25.42 | th0ger | i suddenly stopped working |
| 19:25.55 | xxiao | th0ger: maybe the card is getting loose |
| 19:26.01 | shad0w | lspci | grep Atheros |
| 19:26.24 | th0ger | shad0w: empty... |
| 19:26.34 | shad0w | give us lspci |
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| 19:27.46 | th0ger | shad0w: i should mention there is a network switch on the laptop. But i cant see when its on and off, because the wifiled is not working |
| 19:28.04 | th0ger | will the switch turn off the card completely |
| 19:28.28 | shad0w | yes but if i dont know which card your net book has i cannot help |
| 19:28.34 | shad0w | so give us lspci |
| 19:28.36 | abrotman | th0ger: paste all the lspci and lsusb in a pastebin |
| 19:28.43 | xxiao | th0ger: on my dell laptop, if i press the button "wifi" then wifi is totally gone |
| 19:28.55 | th0ger | shad0w: ok |
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| 19:30.23 | th0ger | lspci: http://pastebin.ca/1336338 |
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| 19:31.58 | abrotman | th0ger: and you're sure it's not usb ? |
| 19:32.02 | DexterF | damn |
| 19:32.05 | abrotman | th0ger: did you possibly turn it off in the bios ? |
| 19:32.16 | th0ger | abrotman: nope |
| 19:32.25 | DexterF | I startet the lenny upgrade from an ssh and I need to power down the machine I ssh'ed from. ideas? |
| 19:32.30 | th0ger | abrotman: i didnt edit bios recently |
| 19:32.40 | DexterF | ctrl-z and resume from a local terminal..? |
| 19:32.46 | hark | th0ger: reboot |
| 19:32.47 | icebrain | hi,can "at" use a unix time to run? |
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| 19:33.08 | shad0w | which model is it th0ger? |
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| 19:33.18 | abrotman | th0ger: check anyways ? |
| 19:33.22 | th0ger | dmesg says many times: pciehp: Card present on Slot(0003_0002); pciehp: Card not present on Slot(0003_0002) |
| 19:33.30 | th0ger | hark: tried rebooting |
| 19:33.37 | abrotman | DexterF: power down or reboot ? |
| 19:33.41 | hark | that's the SD card |
| 19:33.54 | abrotman | DexterF: where in the upgrade procdess is it ? |
| 19:34.06 | th0ger | shad0w: A0A 110 |
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| 19:34.27 | th0ger | hark: ok |
| 19:34.36 | hark | th0ger: you tried adding ram or something? |
| 19:34.41 | doudou | hi ./configure return with : configure: error: You need to install update-mime-database |
| 19:34.44 | th0ger | nope |
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| 19:34.56 | th0ger | hark: nope |
| 19:34.57 | abrotman | doudou: what do you think that might mean ? |
| 19:35.00 | antii | shall i get this installer if i want netinstall? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/gtk-miniiso/ |
| 19:35.09 | stew | doudou: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 19:35.31 | doudou | abrotman exactly.exactly? or myidea.exactly? |
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| 19:36.45 | doudou | stew i did http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=mime-database |
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| 19:37.11 | th0ger | did you look at my lspci, was it useful? |
| 19:37.25 | doudou | abrotman, myidea.exactly is that this mess is very near to catch me |
| 19:37.47 | stew | doudou: ./configure wouldn't know anything about debian packages. it is talking about a file, not a package |
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| 19:37.55 | abrotman | very near to catch you indeed |
| 19:37.58 | doudou | abrotman exactly.exactly i have no idea, probably i need to install gnome ... snif |
| 19:38.09 | hark | doudou: search contents |
| 19:38.11 | Aster0ID | which is the most popular password manager (like keepass) for linux out there? |
| 19:38.20 | DexterF | abrotman: well, downaloading, but I am in dist-upgrade for the 2nd time already |
| 19:38.25 | DexterF | system is halfway confed |
| 19:38.36 | abrotman | DexterF: if it's downloading .. you can ctrl-c .. if not, i wouldn't interrupt it |
| 19:39.24 | doudou | you won today, i reconize i am stupid and i should have found, thanks hark |
| 19:40.07 | hedgehoginfog | DexterF: The AP had nothing to do with it. It's the connector on the laptop. It's broken. |
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| 19:42.10 | xxiao | th0ger: i think your aspire has a wireless button on the panel, if you pressed it accidentally, you will disable wifi and there is nothing linux can do about it |
| 19:42.26 | Aster0ID | what do you guys use for managing passwords loging in linux? e.g. keepass? |
| 19:42.55 | simonrvn | what? |
| 19:43.03 | th0ger | xxiao: yes it has. I cant see when its on/off. Im pressing it all the time to see if it works |
| 19:43.05 | Maior | Aster0ID: I don't |
| 19:43.06 | doudou | but this is the first day i use : http://packages.debian.org/search? that seems a very nice tool |
| 19:43.18 | Maior | (though presumably you mean GNU/Linux) |
| 19:43.24 | DexterF | hedgehoginfog: bugger |
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| 19:43.24 | Maior | (in which I still don't) |
| 19:43.26 | infinity1 | !upgrade |
| 19:43.27 | dpkg | hmm... upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first Ask me about <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> |
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| 19:43.44 | infinity1 | !etch->lenny |
| 19:44.00 | hedgehoginfog | DexterF: ? |
| 19:44.33 | simonrvn | infinity1: do dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 19:44.45 | DexterF | hedgehoginfog: the broken connector |
| 19:44.59 | DexterF | abrotman: restarted with -y from a local term. seems to work. |
| 19:45.00 | simonrvn | the $addressCharacterfoo->bar thing is borked |
| 19:45.01 | hedgehoginfog | To say more, I still don't get what I was going to find out getting to AP web page. |
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| 19:45.12 | th0ger | Can i find out when the manual network card switch is on or off? Should that be lspci? |
| 19:45.33 | xxiao | th0ger: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=720410 looks like that button has issues |
| 19:46.06 | hedgehoginfog | dmesg |
| 19:46.13 | hedgehoginfog | link becomes ready |
| 19:46.15 | xxiao | th0ger: my bet is that that button disabled wifi, sometimes even a cold restart can not re-enable the button, the light on the button is not working |
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| 19:47.36 | lxsameer | hi i have a debian repository that have both packages of stable and testing version . is there any way to seprate them? |
| 19:48.15 | th0ger | xxiao: when my wifi was working i could use the button. The light i enebled manually with sysctrl |
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| 19:50.36 | assasuka | hi everyone |
| 19:50.44 | assasuka | how can i copy a whole dir for backup_ |
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| 19:50.50 | assasuka | a whole partition i mean |
| 19:51.05 | assasuka | i have a broken root partition that i need to backup into another working partition |
| 19:51.08 | assasuka | how to do it_ |
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| 19:55.26 | jelly-home | assasuka: the simplest way is using "cp -a". There's the assumption your filesystems are POSIX compliant (so not vfat or samba on the destination) |
| 19:55.26 | th0ger | still stuck with madwifi/atheros probelm. Will restart/check bios. Please, any new ideas I you have some. Later... |
| 19:57.03 | jpinx | I would like to know the mac address of my minilaptop so that I can allow it alone in my wireless router, but how do I find the mac address? |
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| 19:57.24 | Maior | jpinx: ifconfig |
| 19:57.43 | jpinx | Maior: ok - thanks - I'll try that |
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| 20:01.13 | assasuka | jelly-home, wouldn-t be better to use rsync_ |
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| 20:01.58 | lxsameer | what is the cpu frequency controller module? |
| 20:02.08 | Scrippie | unsure |
| 20:02.57 | jelly-home | assasuka: why do you think so? |
| 20:03.55 | dkr | you aren't going to be doing it more than once if the src is broken, right? |
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| 20:04.18 | jpinx | Maior: thanks - that worked a treat - I know it's OT but do you by any chance know how to find the mac address in XP? |
| 20:04.28 | Maior | jpinx: XP? |
| 20:04.34 | jelly-home | jpinx: ipconfig :-) |
| 20:04.35 | dkr | lxsameer: cpufrequtils ? |
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| 20:04.52 | assasuka | dunno :D |
| 20:04.53 | jpinx | really -- just the same?? hahaha cool :) |
| 20:05.00 | lxsameer | dkr: how can i disable it |
| 20:05.07 | jelly-home | jpinx: it's not the same. |
| 20:05.16 | assasuka | jelly-home, ok then cp -a * /mnt/hda3 ? |
| 20:05.23 | dkr | lxsameer: you mean uninstall the package? |
| 20:05.27 | jelly-home | jpinx: there's a whole different letter! |
| 20:05.32 | jpinx | thanks guys - my internet connection has just doubled in speed now that I've got rid of teh people piggy-backing my wifi |
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| 20:05.54 | jpinx | jelly-home: yes - clocked that thanks |
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| 20:06.18 | nightglider28 | One more day. :D |
| 20:06.21 | lxsameer | dkr: yeah . i don't want linux to control the cpu frequency . i want my cpu work normally |
| 20:06.29 | nightglider28 | jumps for joy. |
| 20:06.51 | dkr | lxsameer: havnig the package installed doesn't alter the frequency. it would only be different of you've used the tools provided byt hat package to do so |
| 20:07.19 | jelly-home | assasuka: Use . instead of *. If you have other filesystems mounted in that source directory, add -x to the options to make cp work on just one filesystem. |
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| 20:07.56 | assasuka | jelly-home, actually is the root partition, so there is nothing else, i mounted on /mnt/hda1 using a livecd |
| 20:08.04 | assasuka | now i try to move it to /mnt/hda3 |
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| 20:08.32 | jelly-home | assasuka: copy it, you mean. |
| 20:08.39 | assasuka | copy sorry |
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| 20:08.58 | infinity1 | jpinx: how many people were on it? |
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| 20:10.22 | jpinx | 3 un-wanted ;) |
| 20:10.34 | Firestarter- | any ops around zehra is spamming on join |
| 20:10.41 | infinity1 | jpinx: are you in an apartment complex? was it unsecured or WEP? |
| 20:10.53 | |hashbang| | you all see this. |
| 20:10.57 | |hashbang| | http://coolepochcountdown.com/ |
| 20:11.08 | simonrvn | !ops ZeHra on-join spam |
| 20:11.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: ZeHra on-join spam |
| 20:11.14 | jpinx | it's unsecured 'cos I rent out access to people who don't know how to configure their wifi |
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| 20:11.28 | abrotman | vorian: thanks! |
| 20:11.29 | infinity1 | |hashbang|: yea. UNIX time parties... |
| 20:11.33 | simonrvn | thanks vorian |
| 20:11.44 | jpinx | infinity1: I'm in a holiday village and there's always people jumping on it at the weekends |
| 20:12.08 | infinity1 | jpinx: heh. you should let them on an snoop their traffic. |
| 20:12.24 | jpinx | infinity1: but allowing specific mac addresses is certainly the way to do it |
| 20:12.27 | infinity1 | jpinx: find something good. AIM conversations, emails, |
| 20:12.38 | jpinx | infinity1: heh - I'd do that if I had the time |
| 20:12.51 | simonrvn | *cough* invasion of privacy *cough* |
| 20:12.51 | infinity1 | jpinx: MAC address security is easy to break in if they wanted. i doubt they will |
| 20:12.58 | jpinx | I could build a library of email address and maybe the odd bank account !!! hahahaha |
| 20:13.12 | epsilon | while true; do clear; ((FULLSECONDS=1234567890-$(date +%s), HOURS=(FULLSECONDS)/3600, MINUTES=((FULLSECONDS%86400)%3600)/60, SECONDS=(((FULLSECONDS%86400)%3600)%60))); echo -e "Celebrate @1234567890! ${HOURS}h ${MINUTES}m ${SECONDS}s remaining.\n\n`date +%s`"; sleep 1; done |
| 20:13.14 | jpinx | simonrvn: it's ok -- I'm joking |
| 20:13.20 | simonrvn | indictable offense there |
| 20:13.44 | jpinx | simonrvn: maybe in your country - but here in SOuth america - just about anything goes ;) |
| 20:14.16 | simonrvn | we live in a fascist state here (.ca) |
| 20:14.20 | infinity1 | simonrvn: whats the offese if you crack your neibors wep key and use the internet for free |
| 20:14.24 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 20:14.49 | jpinx | simonrvn: it's almost anarchy here ;) |
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| 20:15.05 | nightglider28 | infinity1: USA? |
| 20:15.26 | infinity1 | jpinx: i wish i could live in the 1800's for a bit. carry a revolver around wherever i go. i wonder what it would feel like. |
| 20:15.35 | infinity1 | nightglider28: yea |
| 20:15.41 | jelly-home | epsilon: you just won the Useless Use of Modulo award! |
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| 20:15.51 | nightglider28 | infinity1: I'm not entirely sure there are laws against it, yet. |
| 20:15.56 | epsilon | yay! |
| 20:15.59 | jpinx | infinity1: don't wish for that because everyone else is also carrying revolvers and they'll get you first :p |
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| 20:16.17 | infinity1 | jpinx: i never said anyone was out to get anyone :) |
| 20:16.23 | nightglider28 | infinity1: However, given most peoples' awareness of their wireless AP, your neighbor won't notice. :P |
| 20:16.31 | jpinx | infinity1: then why carry a revolver? |
| 20:16.40 | nightglider28 | *probably. |
| 20:16.42 | underdev | is there an introductory document to apache2 on debian... one that explains the different directories/configuration that debian uses? |
| 20:16.46 | infinity1 | jpinx: you just carry it. |
| 20:16.49 | simonrvn | for me the privacy issue is of concern. i wouldn't want my email sniffed, so i don't do it to others. |
| 20:17.08 | infinity1 | jpinx: you're not suppose to use it!! |
| 20:17.27 | simonrvn | underdev: it's pretty self-explanatory |
| 20:17.41 | bbelt16ag | was wondering if there is a way to deny access to the root user through ssh to all but a certain computer. basically deny acess to ssh as root to everyone else except computer#1? |
| 20:17.50 | jpinx | simonrvn: that's a perfectly logical thought process, but the reality is that the more people sniffing the better because it raises the awareness of the problem and increases the impetus for more security |
| 20:17.54 | infinity1 | nightglider28: yes. i've noticed that. though i do notice when they are running p2p |
| 20:18.17 | infinity1 | nightglider28: they buy internet access and use p2p and slow down my free internet. they have no right! heh |
| 20:18.18 | underdev | appeals to self-evidence are spacious |
| 20:18.22 | jpinx | infinity1: you can carry a revolver around in many parts of USA afaik |
| 20:18.23 | Maior | underdev: just read the supplied config |
| 20:18.25 | simonrvn | jpinx: that's just a rationalization, imo |
| 20:18.52 | nightglider28 | infinity1: lol |
| 20:18.54 | jpinx | simonrvn: fair comment, but it's not an agreement that sniffing is a good thing |
| 20:18.59 | infinity1 | jpinx: yea. i guess there are probably more sq miles that you can than not, but i'm not going to visit those areas |
| 20:19.09 | Sbidicuda | hi |
| 20:19.20 | simonrvn | jpinx: *nods* |
| 20:19.22 | Sbidicuda | please is there any kde fax program? |
| 20:19.23 | underdev | Maioor- which one, apache2.conf? |
| 20:19.39 | jpinx | infinity1: and the reason you don't want to is probably the same reason that you are a reasonable and civilised guy ;) |
| 20:19.42 | simonrvn | !tell Sbidicuda -about search |
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| 20:20.07 | jpinx | I'd better stop this OT or 'll get booted.... ;) |
| 20:20.13 | infinity1 | jpinx: i'd still like to live a month in the 1800's and carry one. just to see what its like. :) |
| 20:20.13 | Sbidicuda | simonrvn: I installed hylafax, but I need a frontend |
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| 20:21.10 | simonrvn | underdev: sure, but it's it is in this case. mods-enabled -> enabled modules sites-enabled -> enabled virtual hosts. do a2<tab><tab> to see what you can do to enable/disable those |
| 20:21.23 | jpinx | infinity1: #debian-offtopic |
| 20:21.39 | infinity1 | Sbidicuda: i think we live in a world where you can actually tell people ... "uhhh, i don't have a fax, can i email it |
| 20:21.40 | |hashbang| | in debian, is there a nvidia package I can install, or do I need to download the .bin from nvidia? |
| 20:21.43 | infinity1 | ? |
| 20:21.45 | infinity1 | " |
| 20:22.00 | Sbidicuda | infinity1: I got a modem fax |
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| 20:22.15 | simonrvn | Sbidicuda: Sbidicuda i guess you missed the "apt-cache search kde fax" |
| 20:22.15 | |hashbang| | or is there a deb repo I can use? |
| 20:22.17 | Sbidicuda | infinity1: and I need to send faxes |
| 20:22.25 | infinity1 | Sbidicuda: you can still lie. i have a fax and I always say i don't because its too much work to use the thing. |
| 20:22.27 | abrotman | !tell |hashbang| about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:22.38 | nightglider28 | |hashbang|: For nvidia drivers? You can download an installer from the nvidia website. |
| 20:22.40 | infinity1 | Sbidicuda: ok. i'll shutup |
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| 20:22.48 | abrotman | Sbidicuda: which version of debian ? |
| 20:22.54 | jelly-home | nightglider28: we don't recommend that here |
| 20:22.58 | |hashbang| | nightglider28: yea but I need to kernel headers too |
| 20:23.08 | nightglider28 | jelly-home: Why not? |
| 20:23.09 | Sbidicuda | abrotman: lenny |
| 20:23.21 | abrotman | apt-cache search kde fax ? |
| 20:23.27 | abrotman | apt-cache search hylafax ? |
| 20:23.30 | Sbidicuda | abrotman: I installed hylafax client and server, and I tried to print on fax... |
| 20:23.31 | jelly-home | nightglider28: nvidia's installer cares not about the packaging system |
| 20:23.39 | nightglider28 | |hashbang|: apt-cache search nvidia |
| 20:23.44 | nightglider28 | They're in there. |
| 20:23.50 | nightglider28 | jelly-home: Granted. |
| 20:23.52 | abrotman | if you have non-free sources enabled |
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| 20:23.57 | infinity1 | "According to a rough schedule posted on debian-devel-announce #1, Debian 5.0, codename Lenny, should be released on February 14th, 2009. " |
| 20:23.58 | Sbidicuda | abrotman: /usr/bin/fax: No such file or directory |
| 20:24.08 | icebrain | what servers do you use for clock sync? I tried pool.ntp.org but ntpdate returns "no server suitable" |
| 20:24.11 | |hashbang| | nightglider28: cool ty |
| 20:24.37 | simonrvn | Sbidicuda: i guess you missed the "apt-cache search kde fax" |
| 20:24.41 | abrotman | !tell Sbidicuda about search |
| 20:24.41 | sepult | are there any usable webcam session ready instant messengers there on debian ? |
| 20:24.46 | nightglider28 | jelly-home: I have a GeForce 8400M GS. It does take me awhile, but I can eventually get it. All I have to do it get the right packages, then run the installer. |
| 20:24.48 | abrotman | !find bin/fax lenny |
| 20:24.48 | Sbidicuda | simonrvn: I did |
| 20:24.48 | jelly-home | infinity1: "rough schedule" for Debian means +- 3 months, if you're lucky |
| 20:24.55 | simonrvn | i get 3 hits off that search |
| 20:25.01 | nightglider28 | |hashbang|: Also, you need to make sure you have GCC. |
| 20:25.12 | infinity1 | jelly-home: hmm...i was under the impression it was +/- 6-12 months. |
| 20:25.12 | abrotman | nightglider28: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 20:25.16 | jelly-home | nightglider28: and an apt upgrade will break them eventually. |
| 20:25.17 | infinity1 | :) |
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| 20:25.20 | simonrvn | on a lenny box |
| 20:25.32 | arezey | jelly-home, they said they're hoping to have it done this weekend. they're already preparing iirc |
| 20:25.40 | |hashbang| | nightglider28: yea, i've done the install plenty of times on fedora... just new to debian.. |
| 20:25.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/fax' (6 of 8): (/usr/bin/fax) in comm/efax ;; (/usr/bin/faxe) in non-free/editors/axe ;; (/usr/bin/faxrm) in comm/hylafax-client,comm/mgetty-fax ;; (/usr/bin/{fax2ps|fax2tiff}) in graphics/libtiff-tools ;; (/usr/sbin/faxsend) in comm/capi4hylafax,comm/hylafax-server ;; (/usr/bin/{faxalter|faxcover|faxmail|...}) in comm/hylafax-client. |
| 20:25.45 | jelly-home | arezey: I know. |
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| 20:26.06 | nightglider28 | jelly-home: Not surprising. |
| 20:26.08 | |hashbang| | !find nvidia pre-built |
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| 20:26.46 | kingsley_ | What's a good way to diagnose why dnsmasq abruptly stopped resolving a certain host's name into its IP address? |
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| 20:26.57 | nightglider28 | jelly-home: I've done it twice, but there were at least 4 months in between. i will admit it is very annoying to figure out. |
| 20:27.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'nvidia pre-built' returned no results. |
| 20:27.19 | |hashbang| | !asl |
| 20:27.19 | dpkg | |hashbang|, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
| 20:27.25 | |hashbang| | !help |
| 20:27.27 | abrotman | stop |
| 20:27.30 | jelly-home | nightglider28: in other words, it's best to abstain from suggesting it to random users in #debian |
| 20:27.34 | abrotman | the bot already told you what yu need |
| 20:27.48 | nightglider28 | jelly-home: Understood. |
| 20:27.52 | nightglider28 | jelly-home: Sorry. |
| 20:28.42 | jelly-home | nightglider28: don't be, it's just one of those "specific" things |
| 20:28.44 | Sbidicuda | ok tx |
| 20:28.53 | jelly-home | ... and there're a million of them |
| 20:29.24 | nightglider28 | heh, I'm aware. :P |
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| 20:37.57 | CompuHacker | Gentlemen. |
| 20:38.25 | nightglider28 | You assume there are no ladies, here? |
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| 20:38.52 | CompuHacker | That's not the point. |
| 20:38.53 | abrotman | maybe he doesn't want to talk to them? |
| 20:38.58 | CompuHacker | That's not it either |
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| 20:39.20 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 20:39.46 | enouf | ... |
| 20:39.47 | icebrain | should pool.ntp.org be pingable? |
| 20:40.03 | enouf | everything is pingable |
| 20:40.05 | abrotman | it's a pool .. that depends on each part |
| 20:40.11 | simonrvn | depends on the round-robin member |
| 20:40.26 | enouf | unless some bozo disables it ;-) |
| 20:40.49 | icebrain | I tried many times and it doesn't respond. Also, ntpdate doesn't update with it |
| 20:41.00 | abrotman | it doesn't mean you're resolving different ones |
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| 20:41.07 | jelly-home | icebrain: is it at least resolvable? |
| 20:41.10 | enouf | --- pool.ntp.org ping statistics --- |
| 20:41.10 | enouf | 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3010ms |
| 20:41.22 | abrotman | there is a uhm .. a debian ntp pool ? |
| 20:41.23 | icebrain | jelly-home: yeah, I get the IP |
| 20:41.29 | jelly-home | icebrain: which one? |
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| 20:41.49 | icebrain | 193.126.17.66 |
| 20:42.02 | enouf | 64 bytes from phoenix.netservicesgroup.com (64.113.33.2): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=43.6 ms |
| 20:42.19 | enouf | hrm .. odd to have pheonix from NY :-p |
| 20:42.21 | CompuHacker | Successful ping, Time=151 ms |
| 20:42.40 | jelly-home | icebrain: worksforme, returns echo replies |
| 20:43.01 | icebrain | it must be a netfilter problem :| |
| 20:43.10 | jelly-home | if it must... |
| 20:43.21 | enouf | stamps jelly-home 's statement of worksforme with a big [TM] |
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| 20:44.06 | jelly-home | enouf: the owner didn't protect the trade mark, so it went generic. |
| 20:44.20 | enouf | moves jelly-home ' |
| 20:44.33 | icebrain | My iptables INPUT deny everything unless is related or established, do I need a special rule for pongs? |
| 20:44.34 | enouf | s request into the "patent pending" bin |
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| 20:45.25 | enouf | icebrain: not really, but you might want to set up some rules if paddles are involved :-p |
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| 20:45.31 | |hashbang| | what's the package name for 4.0R7 kernel source? |
| 20:45.57 | jelly-home | |hashbang|: why do you need the source? |
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| 20:46.12 | |hashbang| | jelly-home: to build the nvidia drivers |
| 20:46.14 | icebrain | >P |
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| 20:46.43 | jelly-home | |hashbang|: you'll want to follow the advice given in "/msg dpkg nvidia one-liner", then |
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| 20:47.43 | |hashbang| | ok ty |
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| 20:49.16 | Pihhan | can i mirror debian to local network and install using network installer? |
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| 20:50.05 | dkr | yes |
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| 20:50.55 | Pihhan | what if i want add some packages, thus modifying Release file? |
| 20:51.36 | Pihhan | and so i cannot sign release - i dont have a key - and network installer refuses mirror with different key |
| 20:51.38 | dkr | I don't understand the question |
| 20:52.00 | Pihhan | i have mirror with section with my own packages |
| 20:52.15 | dkr | just make your custom repo separate? I'm nto familiar with it, never doneit myself. I just know that you can indeed do a net nistall from your own mirror |
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| 20:52.52 | Pihhan | well i make my mirror from dvd images i download |
| 20:53.02 | Pihhan | seems this cannot work |
| 20:53.14 | Pihhan | worked fine with sarge :( |
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| 20:56.45 | ryan-c | how do you find out what dynamic major number a module was assigned? |
| 20:57.15 | |hashbang| | jelly-home: wow, this is alot different than what I'm used to... thank you for the tip!! |
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| 21:07.54 | b0erds | hey there |
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| 21:08.10 | firefox | hi! |
| 21:08.23 | b0erds | had a linux-image-update after doing apt-get upgrade. |
| 21:08.32 | b0erds | now my remote server reboot is taking forever |
| 21:08.49 | b0erds | does anyone have an idea why? |
| 21:10.08 | khaleel5000 | hello, at what time (and according to which timezone will lenny be released?) |
| 21:11.19 | firefox | b0: no idea, sounds interesting though... my guess is that you cant watch it boot because its remote? (will be interested in the answer since I will be doing the same soon) |
| 21:11.51 | b0erds | yes i am |
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| 21:12.03 | b0erds | (rebooting it remote) |
| 21:12.14 | firefox | khal: I most likely am wrong. I heard saturday |
| 21:13.26 | khaleel5000 | i also heard saturday,14 feb , its already 2am saturday here, so i wanted to know which timezone will its release follow? |
| 21:14.32 | firefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.33 | Guerin | khaleel5000: everything in debian happens on universal time |
| 21:14.49 | khaleel5000 | Guerin: ok,thanks |
| 21:14.54 | khaleel5000 | thats 3 more hourS! |
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| 21:16.16 | jekader | hi! Can anybody tell me the current debian archive size? |
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| 21:16.46 | enouf | jekader: /msg dpkg dstats <release> |
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| 21:16.50 | jacobw-uk | jekader: massive |
| 21:16.58 | arezey | jekader, uhh. big? |
| 21:16.58 | enouf | 40-50GB |
| 21:17.06 | sepski | jekader, about 335 GB http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 21:17.09 | jekader | I want to make an official mirror, and the mirror guide says the full archive is 355 gb |
| 21:17.13 | jekader | but I don't believe that |
| 21:17.18 | sepski | oh it must have grown a bit then |
| 21:17.19 | enouf | for any <general> ARCH, IINM |
| 21:17.33 | arezey | IINM? |
| 21:17.37 | enouf | !iinm |
| 21:17.38 | dpkg | it has been said that iinm is "If I'm Not Mistaken" |
| 21:17.43 | arezey | aha. |
| 21:17.47 | enouf | !dstats lenny |
| 21:17.52 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22972 packages, 1932 maintainers, 58994 MB installed size, 20835 MB compressed size. |
| 21:18.01 | enouf | 58GB |
| 21:18.04 | sepski | og 335 in march 2008 so 355 is probably correct |
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| 21:18.39 | enouf | sorry - missed the "Official Mirror" qualification |
| 21:18.50 | jekader | a friend of mine mirrors stable + testing, i386+amd64 - that occupies 75 gb |
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| 21:19.08 | jekader | I beleive it's much much larger... |
| 21:19.28 | jekader | I've also found these numbers: http://ftp-master.debian.org/~joerg/arch-space |
| 21:19.40 | sepski | values from march 2008 http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 21:19.41 | jekader | The only problem is I can't decrypt them :D |
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| 21:19.52 | enouf | what!? |
| 21:20.10 | enouf | !mirror |
| 21:20.10 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 21:20.34 | paxcoder | what what? |
| 21:20.40 | jekader | I want a full archive |
| 21:20.51 | enouf | spanks Dorothy and kicks toto back into Kanses |
| 21:20.53 | sepski | jekader, if you want to make a official mirror you should not have just exactly enough space it grows constantly. |
| 21:20.56 | enouf | er Kansas |
| 21:21.04 | enouf | Cans+Ass :-P |
| 21:21.25 | jekader | sepski - that's why I want to know how much does it currently occupy! |
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| 21:21.36 | jekader | *occupies |
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| 21:21.42 | enouf | paxcoder: why would you want to decrypt a mirror archive? |
| 21:21.46 | jacobw-uk | well if you had stable/i388 + stable/amd64 + testing/i386 + testing/amd64 assuming each branch/arch is around 21GB then that _should_ be around 80/90GB |
| 21:21.53 | sepski | jekader, ask in #debian-mirror |
| 21:22.08 | jekader | no such channel |
| 21:22.17 | enouf | wrong netqwork |
| 21:22.26 | jekader | yep, maybe :) |
| 21:22.31 | paxcoder | enouf: just joined. afraid i'm not up to speed. |
| 21:22.32 | enouf | irc.debian.org |
| 21:22.42 | enouf | paxcoder: then hush hon ;-) |
| 21:23.20 | enouf | thinks stoned should see this |
| 21:23.40 | sepski | jekader, sorry it's #debian-mirrors (with s) |
| 21:23.42 | sepski | and on oftc |
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| 21:24.06 | enouf | irc.debian.org == irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:24.25 | paxcoder | is there a way form me to write to /lib/init/rw (tmpfs) without making it writable to everyone? |
| 21:24.34 | sepski | enouf, yeah i should try to remember to use the official debian name :) |
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| 21:25.11 | enouf | sepski: nah .. i'm just pointing out how both are correct ;-) |
| 21:25.33 | enouf | paxcoder: why? |
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| 21:26.06 | paxcoder | enouf: just for the heck of it? XD |
| 21:26.09 | enouf | paxcoder: and .. i'm not sure it is writeable to everyone |
| 21:26.22 | jekader | sepski - OK, thanks, I'll ask them now |
| 21:26.31 | paxcoder | enouf: no, i meant: i can make it writable to everyone, but would rather avoid that. |
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| 21:28.45 | mramish | Is it possible that the install instals the nvidia drivers during the setup process? |
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| 21:29.08 | kj4 | hello all! |
| 21:29.53 | mramish | so that the driver gets loaded during 1st boot |
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| 21:33.45 | jpinx | in lenny I am unable to unplug my PCMCIA ethernet card and plug-in my PCMCIA wifi card. What am I missing? |
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| 21:35.04 | enouf | paxcoder: i haven't tried messing with that aspect of the init system yet, so not sure |
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| 21:36.03 | paxcoder | enouf: can i see & change it's (or any "file"s) group and how? |
| 21:36.05 | jelly-home | jpinx: is it really pcmcia or cardbus (is the connector gold-plated)? |
| 21:36.29 | kj4 | xfce on lenny: new files and directories created in ~/Desktop/ don't appear on the Desktop, anyone seen this issue and can help? |
| 21:36.53 | jelly-home | kj4: do old ones appear? |
| 21:37.00 | kj4 | yes |
| 21:37.17 | enouf | paxcoder: i'm too lazy and busy to investigate tm |
| 21:37.22 | enouf | s/tm/atm |
| 21:37.30 | jelly-home | kj4: well, no easy answer then. |
| 21:37.46 | abrotman | jpinx: they may need an allow-hotplug stanza |
| 21:37.48 | jpinx | jelly-home: it's an old toshibe T8000 laptop and the PCMCIA card plugs in with about 70 pins |
| 21:38.10 | jpinx | the wifi card lights up - but there's no-one home ;) |
| 21:38.10 | enouf | jpinx: try unloading the modules and dependent ones, then load the required ones |
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| 21:38.39 | jpinx | enouf: que? |
| 21:38.44 | jelly-home | jpinx: pastebin the dmesg output before and after plugging in a device. |
| 21:39.05 | b0erds | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.16 | jpinx | jelly-home: ok - give me a minute - it'll take me offline.... |
| 21:39.16 | jelly-home | jpinx: use the wired card, it's more likely to work |
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| 21:39.52 | jelly-home | jpinx: oh, if you're going offline for that, make note of lspci and lsmod before and after too |
| 21:39.54 | jpinx | jelly-home: it's a TP-LINK TL-WN510G 54Mbps |
| 21:40.04 | abrotman | jpinx: cna you paste your interfaces file in a pastebin ? |
| 21:40.26 | jpinx | 54M Wireless CardBus Adaptor |
| 21:40.28 | jelly-home | that's 99% a cardbus card (32bit PCI-like one, not old 16bit PCMCIA) |
| 21:40.42 | jpinx | ok ok -- I'll pastebin all the info in a few minutes |
| 21:40.56 | paxcoder | enouf: "ls -g" to find out "chgrp" to change it ;-P |
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| 21:42.49 | newsense_ | when lenny goes "stable" is it be expected that there will br a lot of updates ? |
| 21:43.15 | paxcoder | "newsense". hmmm |
| 21:43.29 | enouf | paxcoder: wonderful |
| 21:43.53 | newsense_ | since its been frozen for some time i would think there would be a lot of updates |
| 21:44.05 | abrotman | newsense_: in lenny or in testing ? |
| 21:44.15 | newsense_ | abrotman: hmmm |
| 21:44.24 | newsense_ | abrotman: both i guess |
| 21:45.01 | abrotman | lenny will be released as stable .. so what's there on release will remain there .. testing remains frozen for two weeks or so while the DDs party it up .. and then it will reopen .. usually causing mass borkage |
| 21:45.17 | newsense_ | nice |
| 21:45.22 | paxcoder | hehe. wonder what will happen to the servers the day they announce it becoming stable :_) |
| 21:45.35 | abrotman | same thing that happens every time |
| 21:45.38 | paxcoder | ddos :-P |
| 21:45.38 | newsense_ | i usually track testing but dont remember what happened last time when etch was moved to stable |
| 21:46.14 | newsense_ | as of now all my sources are tracking testing |
| 21:46.17 | paxcoder | well actually, no. because of the mirrors. maybe in the us tho |
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| 21:47.03 | abrotman | newsense_: you won't get any changes for a week or two .. then stuff will start flooding in |
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| 21:47.25 | paxcoder | abrotman: why? |
| 21:47.34 | newsense_ | abrotman: if i was to change my sources to lenny would i get updates right away, just curious ? |
| 21:47.47 | paxcoder | fkors |
| 21:47.52 | paxcoder | umm. of course |
| 21:48.10 | paxcoder | like now XD |
| 21:48.23 | abrotman | i just explained |
| 21:48.30 | abrotman | newsense_: no, you'd be running stable |
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| 21:49.00 | newsense_ | abrotman: but since lenny has been frozen once its released as stable won't there be many updates |
| 21:49.06 | abrotman | right |
| 21:49.10 | newsense_ | abrotman: sorry if that doesnt make sense |
| 21:49.40 | abrotman | etch becomes oldstable, lenny becomes stable, testing is still stuck (soon to be renamed squeeze), and sid remains unstable |
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| 21:49.59 | newsense_ | abrotman: i can't remember what happened last time when etch was moved to stable from testing, must not have been bad though or i would have remembered it |
| 21:50.05 | abrotman | after a week or two, testing becomes unfrozen, and things from unstable start flowing in again, but it usually results in a mess for a bit |
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| 21:50.24 | paxcoder | oh, what an amazing flood of bugs that shall be |
| 21:50.29 | newsense_ | abrotman: great thanks for cleaing that up |
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| 21:50.56 | abrotman | for example, on my main machine i track testing, but i'll change it to be lenny until the first major update of my chosen DE to flow into testing before going back (not really much of a point otherwise, and i like that mahcine to function) |
| 21:51.25 | newsense_ | im going to disable my backups in about a week and a half than just to be sure nothing goes wrong :) |
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| 21:52.02 | newsense_ | abrotman: cool, i was thinking about doing the same but i guess it isn'y required |
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| 21:54.54 | abrotman | newsense_: not required, but if it's your main machine and oyu don't like breakage, it might be smart |
| 21:55.00 | gzoob | hello all. i m having issues with source.list repository http://debian.pastebin.com/m4cf8e45b |
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| 21:55.18 | hkais1 | hi |
| 21:55.54 | abrotman | gzoob: did you install debian-archive-keyring ? |
| 21:55.55 | hkais1 | is under gnome/kde a url filehandler like the rundll32 under windows? I want to open generic files, which may be registered under gnome |
| 21:56.01 | gzoob | i did couple of things however the pub key didnt work gpg: imported: 1 |
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| 21:56.38 | abrotman | gzoob: is that an unofficial repo ? |
| 21:56.43 | gzoob | let me grep and see if its installed |
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| 21:56.51 | abrotman | !apt-key 4BA401C3 |
| 21:56.51 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4BA401C3 ; gpg --export 4BA401C3 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:56.53 | gzoob | debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version |
| 21:57.03 | gzoob | i dont use sudo |
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| 21:57.09 | gzoob | oh sorry |
| 21:57.13 | abrotman | then run it as root and leave out just the sudo part |
| 21:57.20 | abrotman | still need the apt-key add - |
| 21:57.23 | gzoob | bash: sudo: command not found |
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| 21:57.35 | abrotman | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4BA401C3 ; gpg --export 4BA401C3 | apt-key add - |
| 21:57.36 | abrotman | run as root |
| 21:57.48 | gzoob | gpg: unchanged: 1 |
| 21:57.58 | gzoob | that worked :) |
| 21:58.10 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 21:58.23 | gzoob | thank you abrotman |
| 21:58.41 | gzoob | i m sorry i didnt say thank you on time. :) thank you again |
| 21:58.47 | Andymeows | is there a program that lists the cputime for a process that is displayed in top? |
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| 21:59.03 | abrotman | doesn't top do that ? |
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| 21:59.30 | Andymeows | abrotman: I need to get just the cputime programatically |
| 22:00.01 | abrotman | ps ? |
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| 22:00.59 | jpinx | abrotman: , jelly-home: , http://pastebin.com/m4f6fff6 |
| 22:01.13 | jpinx | it's a huge paste - sorry about that |
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| 22:02.04 | SPF | Andymeows: you could take a look at /proc/<pid>/stat |
| 22:02.19 | SPF | because top gets all the pid info there |
| 22:03.19 | SPF | Andymeows: http://www.linuxhowtos.org/System/procstat.htm |
| 22:03.25 | dondelelcaro | Andymeows: or man proc |
| 22:03.32 | dondelelcaro | (specifically, proc(5)) |
| 22:03.58 | jacobw-uk | hi there, does anyone know if there is telnet client in the debian repositories that allows multiple connection to different hosts from the same instance of the client |
| 22:04.34 | jpinx | enouf: that's the paste ^^ |
| 22:04.39 | abrotman | jpinx: interfaces file ? |
| 22:04.44 | jelly-home | jpinx: seems like your wired card is a pcmcia, so not visible in lspci (but visible in dmesg, say lines 910-923). Your wifi is a cardbus |
| 22:04.49 | Andymeows | cool, thanks guys |
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| 22:05.13 | jpinx | jelly-home: so how do I get the wifi card to work |
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| 22:06.06 | jpinx | I would be ok if it's the only connection I have - if I can just get it to work;) |
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| 22:14.27 | sepult | why is there svn and cvs ? i mean obviously svn is used for kde for example but is there a cvs repo too for it ? |
| 22:14.45 | amphi | because not everyone uses git ;) |
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| 22:14.51 | doudou | i need gtk-sharp |
| 22:15.16 | sepult | ok, so it's just another tool for the same task then ? |
| 22:15.21 | abrotman | !vcs |
| 22:15.25 | abrotman | bah ... |
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| 22:15.26 | Setebos | clearcase rulez |
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| 22:15.43 | Eulex | sep, yes. and svn is better, in most aspects. |
| 22:15.45 | abrotman | sepult: there are *tons* of different Version Control Systems .. cvs and svn are only two |
| 22:15.47 | maligor | sepult, let's not forget mercurial, git, arch, bazaar... ect |
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| 22:15.55 | abrotman | maligor: i think arch is mostly dead |
| 22:16.21 | maligor | mm.. yeah, but mercurial, git and bazaar are much better than svn or cvs :) |
| 22:16.30 | abrotman | define better ... |
| 22:16.38 | maligor | better workflow |
| 22:16.57 | maligor | it's inherit feature of distributed vcs |
| 22:17.08 | Rydekull | 1 million flies cant be wrong |
| 22:17.53 | maligor | you can much easier vc your local changes.. .you could argue to that, that central is better at storing these changes... but well.. |
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| 22:18.10 | maligor | some things are better left out of head |
| 22:18.19 | maligor | or even branches |
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| 22:18.25 | abrotman | maligor: its |
| 22:18.36 | maligor | public that is |
| 22:19.15 | Setebos | clearcase is the best |
| 22:19.50 | Setebos | git it's just a pure megalomaniac stuff |
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| 22:20.28 | baz | how can i know what version of an app apt-get will install |
| 22:20.42 | path_ | apt-cache show package |
| 22:20.44 | abrotman | baz: apt-cache policy foo .. the Candidate |
| 22:20.53 | Rydekull | aptitude show package |
| 22:21.11 | baz | that worked, thanks guys |
| 22:21.39 | baz | also i'm sure this has been discussed but whats the deal with apt-get and aptitude, which is better, which should i use |
| 22:22.09 | Rydekull | aptitude is prefered since etch |
| 22:22.43 | Rydekull | !aptitude |
| 22:22.43 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
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| 22:24.18 | et | !aptitude-fu |
| 22:24.18 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true |
| 22:24.47 | baz | !why not aptitude |
| 22:24.47 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
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| 22:25.11 | abrotman | Rydekull: but does it show what you have vs what is available ? |
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| 22:27.12 | Rydekull | abrotman: you are asking for the equivalent of what commands? |
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| 22:28.34 | sepult | which would be the way to get the for example /trunk/KDE with its subdirectorys the same way it's on the server ? |
| 22:28.44 | sepult | is there a recursive way to ? |
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| 22:35.50 | OllyDBG | HAPPY 1234567890 DAY - JOIN ##1234567890 TO CELEBRATE :-))) |
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| 22:41.42 | FenrirReturns | I just apt-get linux-image-etchnhalf-2.6.24 so I could use the iwl3945 and mac80211 drivers, which were utilized as soon as I booted, but I can't seem to use kismet or put my card into monitor mode manually, I get the error "Device or resource busy". Also I know have an extra eth device. Any ideas? |
| 22:42.54 | Doonz | video tapes |
| 22:42.54 | Doonz | hey guys, if im using software raid (mdadm) and i pull out a failed drive and put a new one in what do i have to do so that drive is seen? |
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| 22:45.05 | abrotman | Rydekull: apt-cache policy foo |
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| 22:45.18 | jpinx | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m27e152d6 -- the interfaces file appears to be the same with either wired or wifi card plugged in |
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| 22:46.19 | TheAvatar_ | Hey - if I would need the e.g. top5 most cpu hungry processes (with pid,uid (username), usage) - how would I approach that? It is a task that will run each 2-5th second or so, so it has to be rather lightweight |
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| 22:47.54 | abrotman | jpinx: your wifi isn't in there |
| 22:48.17 | abrotman | jpinx: allow-hotplug ath0 |
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| 22:48.25 | abrotman | jpinx: iface ath0 inet dhcp |
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| 22:48.53 | jpinx | abrotman: ok - I need to cut this connection to do this - I'll try it and come back |
| 22:49.02 | jpinx | anything else I should try? |
| 22:49.07 | abrotman | try that first |
| 22:49.13 | jpinx | k |
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| 22:50.45 | firefox | LOL.. so after upgrading etch>lenny... all sorts of things broke. I have been trying to get xmms working for a while. I'd click the icon and nothing would happen... then I finally loaded up kpackage... |
| 22:50.51 | firefox | its not installed.... |
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| 22:54.24 | jpinx | I don't appear to have those commands - even as sudo :( |
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| 22:55.10 | jpinx | anyone know of equivalents - or how to fix this? |
| 22:55.14 | doudou | hi |
| 22:55.22 | sepult | what's about the -j# option to make when i have a core-duo processor is it then -j3 ? |
| 22:55.42 | sepult | or j4 ? |
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| 22:55.58 | nightglider28 | It's whichever gives you more performance. |
| 22:56.13 | sepult | ok |
| 22:56.41 | nightglider28 | The number is how many compiling threads will be run at a time. Set it to whatever appears to give the most performance. |
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| 22:57.42 | twobitsprite | watch -t -n1 ' echo "$((1234567890-`date +%s`)) seconds remaining "' |
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| 23:00.46 | firefox | ok, I was wrong... thought it was pebcak error... but I cant get xmms2 to run... if I copy the icon to my bar it says it doesnt exist.. if I run it from K menu... it just sits there mocking me... |
| 23:01.24 | firefox | any idea? (already DnR) |
| 23:01.41 | nightglider28 | DnR? |
| 23:02.24 | firefox | delete and reinstalled ( sorry windows term I suppose, I purged it) |
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| 23:11.59 | Illarane | 20 minutes!! |
| 23:12.13 | nightglider28 | ? |
| 23:12.18 | Rayne | yay! |
| 23:12.27 | Rayne | party!! |
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| 23:12.37 | joe | nightglider28, python -c 'import time; print time.ctime(1234567890)' |
| 23:13.01 | nightglider28 | No, thanks. |
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| 23:14.34 | Toast | So I'm not the only here watching the clock then! |
| 23:14.44 | dkr | http://coolepochcountdown.com/ |
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| 23:20.15 | Kornholijo | oye |
| 23:20.22 | Kornholijo | why is time() returning funny numbers :s? |
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| 23:21.51 | salvin | when is the release of lenny? |
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| 23:22.18 | spider- | no |
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| 23:22.43 | salvin | spider-, ? |
| 23:23.04 | kj4 | ah, i missed epoch 1234567890 time |
| 23:23.10 | Kornholijo | no |
| 23:23.12 | Kornholijo | still 8 mins |
| 23:23.22 | toad_ | I change the pin entry in /etc/apt/preferences from "testing" to "lenny", and dist-upgrade wants to install a load of new packages ... testing == lenny, so what's up? |
| 23:23.22 | kj4 | yeah? |
| 23:23.28 | kj4 | where is a countdown |
| 23:23.33 | icebrain | watch -t -n1 ' echo "$((1234567890-`date +%s`)) seconds remaining "' |
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| 23:23.41 | zibri | Kornholijo: funny numbers? |
| 23:23.43 | infinity1 | 0 |
| 23:23.45 | Kornholijo | yes |
| 23:23.51 | zibri | Kornholijo: seconds since 1970? |
| 23:24.04 | Rydekull | icebrain: hehe, http://unix.st/node/17 <-- another solution |
| 23:24.07 | toad_ | I have a lenny/sid/etch system which i want to go stable when lenny is released as stable ... |
| 23:24.19 | Kornholijo | yes :S |
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| 23:24.37 | zibri | because that's how a unix/linux system keeps track of time |
| 23:24.45 | Kornholijo | look at them |
| 23:24.50 | Kornholijo | 1234567~ |
| 23:24.50 | chuck | lenny is going to be released tomorrow!?! |
| 23:24.55 | nightglider28 | I currently have lenny on my laptop. It will be reinstalled when it goes stable. |
| 23:24.56 | chuck | say it ain't so! |
| 23:25.00 | nightglider28 | chuck: Should be. |
| 23:25.01 | Knorrie | chuck: it is :) |
| 23:25.17 | salvin | toad_, you must change your sources.list |
| 23:25.24 | toad_ | why does switching the pin value from "testing" to "lenny" cause it to want to install more packages? |
| 23:25.31 | toad_ | salvin: i have all 3 in my sources.list |
| 23:25.32 | nightglider28 | I also have an Etch server at home and my mother's system runs Etch. Those will be updated in about a week or two. |
| 23:25.37 | maggot_brain | so exactly how close to release is Lenny? Will it be release tomorrow? |
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| 23:25.57 | toad_ | with testing 900 stable 700 unstable 600 |
| 23:26.03 | Kornholijo | 333 seconds remaining ._. |
| 23:26.09 | salvin | toad_, from testing to lenny |
| 23:26.16 | toad_ | i change this to lenny 900 etch 700 sid 600, and it changes stuff |
| 23:26.18 | toad_ | ah |
| 23:26.20 | toad_ | will check |
| 23:26.41 | spersaud | hehe,, ... more like tonight |
| 23:26.47 | toad_ | no, i have the names in sources.list |
| 23:27.27 | Gnu_Raiz | whos on call so I can wine about my install? |
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| 23:28.05 | spersaud | is the apt-get and apt-cache being replaced by aptitude ? |
| 23:28.09 | Kornholijo | no |
| 23:28.17 | icebrain | Gnu_Raiz: I like french wine :P |
| 23:28.20 | Kornholijo | aptitude is frontend for apt |
| 23:28.22 | toad_ | salvin: any ideas? |
| 23:28.27 | Gnu_Raiz | why would they, some like cmd only. |
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| 23:28.49 | nightglider28 | I prefer apt-get. |
| 23:28.56 | Gnu_Raiz | I probably won't update my laptop for a while, that is the only machine I have debian on. |
| 23:28.58 | icebrain | Kornholijo: you can do aptitude install package |
| 23:28.59 | salvin | toad_, paste them |
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| 23:29.06 | Kornholijo | icebrain: yes? |
| 23:29.18 | icebrain | Kornholijo: and it doesn't have any gui that way |
| 23:29.19 | Gnu_Raiz | I decided to go with a few different distro's just to learn a few. |
| 23:29.26 | icebrain | !why aptitude |
| 23:29.26 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 23:29.32 | spersaud | icebrain: wine made in south america is much better, in Chile, Argentina, Colombia ... and much less .. dont let FRENCH and Italian fool you |
| 23:29.59 | Toast | I'm hoping it's released on 1234567890. |
| 23:30.02 | spersaud | icebrain: yeah I noticed it was much better |
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| 23:30.24 | Gnu_Raiz | That would be cool! a tribute to Unix. |
| 23:30.24 | toad_ | salvin: http://amphibian.dyndns.org/sources.list http://amphibian.dyndns.org/preferences |
| 23:30.34 | Kornholijo | aaaaaaa 60 seconds left till end of the world |
| 23:30.34 | icebrain | spersaud: I was kidding. My fav wine is Portuguese (Porto) |
| 23:30.41 | icebrain | 50 secs! |
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| 23:30.50 | Kornholijo | 40 secs! |
| 23:30.55 | paxcoder | what what? |
| 23:31.03 | Kornholijo | 30 secs! |
| 23:31.03 | icebrain | watch -t -n1 ' echo "$((1234567890-`date +%s`)) seconds remaining "' |
| 23:31.11 | icebrain | 20 |
| 23:31.14 | paxcoder | i have it in gnome |
| 23:31.14 | Kornholijo | 1234567907 |
| 23:31.18 | Kornholijo | 15 secs |
| 23:31.30 | Wulf_ | cheers at the time() value. Hooray! |
| 23:31.30 | Toast | Happy new year!!! ... or something :) |
| 23:31.31 | paxcoder | i see ti :-) yaaay! |
| 23:31.32 | icebrain | YEAH! |
| 23:31.32 | Kornholijo | 1234567925 |
| 23:31.33 | Kornholijo | yoyoyo |
| 23:31.35 | Kornholijo | owned :s |
| 23:31.45 | icebrain | -9 secs :D |
| 23:31.50 | Ace2016_- | HAPPY >1234567890!!!!!! |
| 23:31.54 | Kornholijo | !!!! |
| 23:31.54 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 23:31.54 | spersaud | what are you peeps doing ? |
| 23:31.59 | paxcoder | 30 secs here still |
| 23:32.05 | Kornholijo | ntpdate plz |
| 23:32.11 | toad_ | salvin: i did the dist-upgrade with the old preferences, so i am up to date; i change "testing" to "lenny" and it wants to install tons of stuff |
| 23:32.23 | icebrain | spersaud: it was epoch 1234567890 |
| 23:32.27 | salvin | happy lenny |
| 23:32.38 | martian67 | happy 1234567890 |
| 23:32.46 | paxcoder | i got here on time XD |
| 23:32.49 | BUMBACL0T | wow |
| 23:32.56 | BUMBACL0T | that music scared the fuck outta me |
| 23:32.57 | Gnu_Raiz | Hey I need a T-shirt, as I also was born in 1970. |
| 23:33.14 | Rydekull | Gnu_Raiz: "Been there, done that, got the t-shirt"? |
| 23:33.37 | toad_ | is it safe at this point to remove the sid lines from sources.list ? |
| 23:33.47 | Gnu_Raiz | need one, any source. |
| 23:34.00 | DeSian | Lenny is her! |
| 23:34.06 | LightKnight | happy 1234567890 and happy lenny everybody :-) |
| 23:34.08 | KC | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.12 | Kornholijo | :D |
| 23:34.17 | nightglider28 | It's stable, now? |
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| 23:34.24 | toad_ | it's not on the website |
| 23:34.26 | KC | Lenny is officially stable now? |
| 23:34.32 | dondelelcaro | KC: no |
| 23:34.36 | nightglider28 | :( |
| 23:34.40 | KC | aww |
| 23:34.44 | alexfranci | happy epoch time!!!!!! |
| 23:34.51 | toad_ | no, we just passed time in millis since 1970 = 123457890 |
| 23:34.54 | dondelelcaro | we never release before a weekend |
| 23:34.58 | toad_ | no, we just passed time in millis since 1970 = 1234567890 |
| 23:35.02 | \amethyst | toad_: seconds, not milliseconds |
| 23:35.09 | toad_ | hmmm ok |
| 23:35.12 | nightglider28 | dondelelcaro: Doesn't help me. I work this weekend. :( |
| 23:35.13 | amphi | heh |
| 23:35.13 | toad_ | is too used to java |
| 23:35.23 | \amethyst | toad_: pi seconds ~ a nanocentury |
| 23:35.41 | toad_ | speaking of lenny, is it safe to remove the sid lines from sources.list on a lenny/sid/etch machine? |
| 23:36.14 | dondelelcaro | toad_: uh... if you've been upgrading like that, you almost certainly have a sid machine |
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| 23:36.16 | toad_ | my understanding is during the testing period for lenny, you need sid in sources.list as well, deprioritised in preferences ... but now i can get rid? |
| 23:36.27 | dondelelcaro | toad_: no, you don't need sid in the sources.list at all |
| 23:36.30 | Raylz | ok, 1234567890, wheres lenny? |
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| 23:36.33 | toad_ | dondelelcaro: preferences says 900 lenny 700 sid 600 etch |
| 23:36.41 | toad_ | so i can get rid of sid and etch now? |
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| 23:37.27 | toad_ | tries it, see what happens... |
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| 23:37.41 | dondelelcaro | toad_: if you had specified a default release, yes, but there was no real reason to have that configuration in the first place |
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| 23:37.54 | toad_ | dondelelcaro: when i set it up ppl said u needed it |
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| 23:38.10 | toad_ | because testing is/was incomplete and needed to be patched by unstable |
| 23:38.11 | dondelelcaro | well, whoever said that didn't know what they were talkinga bout |
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| 23:38.14 | toad_ | but maybe that's not true any more |
| 23:38.19 | dondelelcaro | it was never true |
| 23:38.29 | toad_ | ok so you only ever needed to specify lenny ? |
| 23:38.35 | toad_ | great... |
| 23:38.36 | dondelelcaro | testing doesn't have some packages, but that's because those packages aren't going to be in the release |
| 23:38.53 | \amethyst | that and security |
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| 23:40.23 | toad_ | ironically the reason this system is even running lenny is mythtv, which i now build from source :| |
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| 23:42.34 | dondelelcaro | toad_: why? the debian-multimedia packages of mythtv are pretty reasoanble |
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| 23:42.57 | toad_ | ironically the reason this system is even running lenny is mythtv, which i now build from source :| |
| 23:42.59 | toad_ | argh |
| 23:43.00 | toad_ | sorry |
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| 23:43.10 | gimmal | hi helpful debian folks. got a question: is there a way to get an app to have permissions to bind to a priveleged port, without it running as root? the expalnation: trying to get vlc to be able to bind to port 1234, given as the msft vlc client doesn't let you change the port number for a net conn (crazy thing, i figure...). asked in #linpeople but they're all partying for 1234567890 day heh |
| 23:43.27 | toad_ | dondelelcaro: debugging segfaults :( |
| 23:43.29 | sepult | anyones using merkaator ? |
| 23:43.31 | dondelelcaro | toad_: ah |
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| 23:43.55 | dondelelcaro | toad_: in such cases, you can still use the packages, but build them with DEB_BUILD_OPTS="nostrip,nopt" |
| 23:43.57 | \amethyst | gimmal: 1234 isn't normally privileged |
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| 23:44.22 | gimmal | doh, huh, yeah, it's above the 1024 isn't it -- vlc couldn't bind to the port, i just jumped to the conclusion. thanks! |
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| 23:45.08 | toad_ | cool, my system is now pure lenny |
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| 23:45.12 | sepult | i get very much delayed image construction in Merkaartor, what may be the cause ? |
| 23:45.19 | gimmal | now why wouldn't 1234 be bindable, when there's nothing netstat shows that's using 1234? |
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| 23:45.30 | gimmal | used netstat --inet -a |
| 23:45.31 | \amethyst | gimmal: what's the error? |
| 23:45.49 | gimmal | amethyst: will scroll the window to check, thanks |
| 23:45.51 | \amethyst | gimmal: try --inet6 too |
| 23:46.08 | gimmal | heh, will try it again to check. inet6 ok |
| 23:46.20 | \amethyst | gimmal: in case vlc is trying to bind the ipv6 port |
| 23:46.42 | gimmal | yeah && danke |
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| 23:48.06 | gimmal | amethyst: um, the problem disappeared, I guess -- it was something like "can't bind to port" -- thanks for the help tho, serious |
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| 23:49.59 | gimmal | alright, will just have to share the dvd via samba, I guess, wheeeheheee home network funj |
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| 23:51.17 | kj4 | i really feel different, now that the sequential epoch has passed |
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| 23:51.23 | mac | I am trying to image a debian-from-scratch (lenny) computer and restore the image in another identical computer with (obviously) different MAC addresses. udev was reasigning the other network devices in the new computer to different logical names (eth1 instead of eth0) so I removed the two auto-generated rules and rebooted and my wireless still will not come up. If I move the wireless card from the machine I made the image i |
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| 23:54.24 | JyZyXEL | #1234567890 is flooding so hard |
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| 23:55.16 | brick | is there a dpkg command i can use to get the version numbers of the tree of dependent packages back from iceweasel, for filing a bug? |
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| 23:56.16 | gimmal | hey that didn't work. stretching the limits of wotness, anyone might know of something that can let you stream and control a linux-controlled dvd player from a non-linux host on the same network? not sure if there is such a thing |
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| 23:57.20 | maggot_brain | gimmal: VLC? |
| 23:58.03 | gimmal | maggot_brain: trying it, on vista actually - entertainment platform, nothing more really -- but can't get it to read over a mapped network drive, with the dvd shared via samba |
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| 23:58.42 | maggot_brain | gimmal: you always try one of the Windows MythTV frontends |
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| 23:59.01 | Gnu_Raiz | 1234569444 ok just checking. |
| 23:59.10 | gimmal | maggot_brain: mythv, hey that sounds like it could work; thanks & shytte |
| 23:59.26 | gimmal | er mythtv - kbd doesn't have a breathalizer on it heh |
