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00:00.21dondelelcarobrick: it's all done for you if you use reportbug
00:00.44bricki see, dondelelcaro ...
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00:01.12bricknever let it be said that i made it easy
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00:03.13dondelelcarobrick: apt-rdepends -p iceweasel|grep '^[a-z]'|xargs dpkg-query -W -f'${Package} ${Version}\n'; is the other way, though quite a bit more complicated
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00:03.38bricksweet, thank you :)
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00:06.24mike_xcrhi all
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00:06.33mike_xcr5.0r0 release today? ;>
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00:11.13MetaI'm considering going from Lenny to Sid... what do you think?
00:11.28icebrainMeta: I use Sid, no major problems here
00:11.29Tapoutno
00:11.34Tapoutlenny is awesome
00:11.46Metaicebrain: What kind of minor problems then? ;-)
00:11.56liableyeah, just wait untill thousands of probably packages flood the repo once lenny releases..
00:12.14MetaAnd how long will that be?
00:12.18liables/probably/probably buggy/
00:12.30icebrainMeta: Their probably my fault :P
00:12.41macI've been trying to find any type of cache or something that would prevent me from moving a Wifi card from one debian machine to another debian machine.  They are both Debian-From-Scratch (lenny) installs and I have the udev network-persistance rules disabled, they are both the same chipset card so drivers aren't the issue, but I can't get the new card to attach properly to my WPA network with ifup.  Any ideas?
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00:12.54Metaicebrain: Hehe.
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00:13.14MetaI only need to change my sources.list to "unstable" or "sid", right?
00:13.18liablemac: does udev give it the same iface name?
00:13.28mike_xcrMeta: Try Sid
00:13.48nightglider28mike_xcr: What chipset is it
00:13.50nightglider28*?
00:13.50macMeta: yes, that's why I removed the udev net-persistance rules
00:13.53Metamike_xcr: That works.
00:14.09mike_xcrnightglider28: chipset?
00:14.10icebrainMeta: yeah, but liable is probably right, I will probably switch to the new testing now
00:14.10macnightglider: ath5k is the module
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00:14.23nightglider28GAH!
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00:14.27Metaicebrain: Hmm?
00:14.33liablemac: and no madwifi installed?
00:14.34nightglider28mike_xcr: Sorry, tabpwn'd...
00:14.38mike_xcrnightglider28: :)
00:14.39icebrainMeta: sid is going to be the new testing, now with lenny's release
00:14.42nightglider28mac: Yeah...madwifi...
00:14.45macliable: no madwifi, using wext
00:14.45nightglider28thwaps his tab key.
00:14.53nightglider28mac: Go with madwifi.
00:14.57icebrainMeta: and Sid is going to be filled with buggy packages
00:15.02nightglider28Unless you don't have a gui instsalled..
00:15.03MetaWhy?
00:15.06liablemac: which chip and what kernel?
00:15.48icebrainMeta: Lenny is passing from testing to stable, so Sid passes to testing, and the new Sid will be filled with new packages
00:15.57liablewtf does a gui have to do with a wireless driver?
00:16.03MetaYes, fair enough.
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00:16.15MetaLenny was filled with new ones too, wasn't it?
00:16.16macKernel 2.6.26-1-686, chipset AR2413
00:16.32nightglider28liable: Nevermind.  I'm an idiot. :(
00:16.32macand I have no GUI installed, it's a Kiosk computer
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00:16.42nightglider28liable: Which happens quote often...
00:16.53liablemac: hmm, not familiar with ath5k's support of that chip. did it work ok in the other box?
00:17.06icebrainMeta: it was, but it has passed some time in the repos, so the bugs have been squashed (well, most)
00:17.19macyes, worked fine, and if I move that card to this box (they are an image of each other) that card works fine
00:17.20Metaicebrain: Well, I don't intend on installing much else than I already have.
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00:17.41icebrainMeta: yeah, but even the same programs will have buggy new versions
00:17.57liablemac: signal strength shows ok in the new box? antennae connected properly?
00:18.00Metaicebrain: It's all good, I can freeze and kill even the most stable programs.
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00:18.11liablenightglider28: ok, you had me for a second there :P
00:18.23icebrainMeta: well, that's your call :P
00:18.32icebrainMeta: but I want stuff to work :D
00:18.51nightglider28liable: I'm not as fluent with Linux as I'd like to be. :(
00:18.53MetaSo long as it does what I want, which is usually just the basic functionality...
00:19.09macYes, signal strength is good, antenna is connected, I am able to associate by using wpa_supplicant -c myNormalconf -i wlan0 -d wext but I can't get any DHCP offers when I try to use dhclient
00:19.15nightglider28liable: And I'm tired, which really doesn't help...
00:19.19icebrainMeta: if you don't need bleeding edge apps, just stick with testing
00:19.37MetaI like to think I can help
00:19.42liablenightglider28: takes time. lurking in here is a pretty good learning experience. (well, it used to be)
00:20.04nightglider28USed to be?
00:20.14nightglider28Has this channel gone downhill?
00:20.47MetaIt's quieter.
00:21.13liablemac: run wpasupp with -dd and see if it stops cycling and gives you a "start when"
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00:21.31liablethats usually when it has successfully associated
00:22.02liableor even -ddd if you want to see lots of confusing debug info ;)
00:22.10MetaBrb
00:22.38macliable: running it now
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00:23.04nightglider28Is there an estimate on what time Lenny will go stable?
00:23.16nightglider28pissed he works, tomorow.
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00:23.50MetaSuccess
00:24.18icebrainMeta: what?
00:24.26MetaUpdate
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00:25.07liablemac: has it stop spewing output?
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00:25.17macliable: it just keeps cycling with the new wifi card in, tries to associate, but doesn't complete and scans again
00:25.40liablemac: hmm, paste a good chunk of the output to a pastebin.
00:25.58liablemac: not that i can make much sense of most of it
00:26.14MetaHowever
00:26.22MetaI need an update server that keeps Sid updates...
00:26.33liablehuh?
00:26.46MetaSec
00:26.52nightglider28Meta: A local mirror?
00:26.58MetaW: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/sid/updates/main//binary-i386/Packages  404 Not Found [IP: 195.20.242.89 80]
00:27.10liablesid doesnt get security
00:27.32MetaAh
00:27.35MetaThat would be it then
00:28.14liablei hope you are willing to reinstall when sid breaks your box horribly in the next few days ;)
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00:28.33MetaCan't break worse than I broke my Lenny install
00:28.34boxxertrumpsis the module ntfs-mod for reading that fs?
00:28.44macliable: how do I use pastebin?  I'm kinda  noob at IRC. :)
00:29.10liablemac: with your web browser. paste.debian.net
00:29.12MetaI managed to kill the entire base system... so I had no root account.
00:29.22boxxertrumpspoor Meta
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00:29.53MetaI lived off a LiveCD while waiting for a friend to complete a Gentoo install... he didn't, so back to Debian
00:29.59liablemac: paste it in, hit submit, then give me the url it gives you back
00:30.00icebrainliable: it only breaks if Meta upgrades packages
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00:30.19liableicebrain: and how will he avoid doing that?
00:30.20MetaThe upgrade I just did didn't appear to break anything
00:30.43icebrainliable: by not typing apt-get upgrade? :P
00:31.26spersaudwhere can I get one of those cheap video cameras that work with linux ?
00:31.30icebrainliable: I now use Sid. If I change to testing after Lenny's release, will it complain? It should be the same version, no? Current Sid is tomorrow's Lenny, no?
00:31.31liableicebrain: even if he installs one new package, it could depend on a new libc6, which cause a cascade of other packages that need to be upgraded because of libc6
00:31.51liableicebrain: if you change it now, it should be ok
00:31.54macliable: http://paste.debian.net/28312/
00:32.03icebrainliable: yeah, I'll do that
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00:32.46MetaI've got the bandwidth
00:34.06liablemac: i take it your ssid is badwolf? it appears your ap isnt responding to the association request
00:34.24MetaDo they have dhclient going?
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00:34.43MetaCoz I was like "Why isn't this working?" with my wireless yesterday and I realised I needed dhclient
00:34.53liablemac: try changing your ap_scan value
00:35.36macMeta: yea, dhclient isn't able to get anything because it doesn't seem to be associating properly.  liable: at the moment I have it commented out, I'll uncomment it
00:36.01MetaMine wasn't associating
00:36.11MetaIt ended up being dhclient. :p
00:36.15darrh00how can I get  only debian/* files that's needed to build a deb package without having to download all files using apt-get source?
00:36.52liableMeta: actually, it would have been associating, dhclient is a different thing to associating
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00:37.19MetaDidn't have the hex value for the AP
00:37.35icebraindarrh00: apt-get build-dep <package>
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00:39.35icebraindarrh00: /msg dpkg build-dep
00:39.35macliable: I am getting an ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN]: Resource Temporarily unavailable error when I tried to dump the output of wpasup to a file, let me try again with script
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00:42.18liablemac: just let it run in a term, and copy/paste it
00:42.32liableif you want logging, it has a logfile option now
00:42.59macliable: copy/paste is a problem, no gui and no mouse
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00:43.29liablesee the -f option to man wpa_supplicant
00:43.30zu22how do i grep on a term with a $ in it such as $foo? i tried enclosing it in quotes but that doesn't help
00:44.03macliable: oh, that's useful.
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00:44.57icebrainzu22: grep \$foo ?
00:44.58maczu22: try escaping it with a backslash
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00:45.52zu22icebrain && mac: it worked! thanks
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00:46.42darrh00icebrain:that seems to be what I need,it will install all -dev package for me,I have already done that,What I really need is the debian directory which always comes with the debian source package,so my problem is whether I can get this directory without downloading the whole source package since I have downloaded  a new version of this package from upstream.
00:46.57macliable: -f didn't catch the ioctl message...  I wonder if the driver is caching some data about the card...
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00:47.38liablemac: btw you can use gpm for a mouse in console
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00:48.13asdfqwerbreakout teh champagne guise
00:48.23asdfqweri just got my debian server up and running
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00:49.04liable!congratulate asdfqwer
00:49.04dpkgHugs & Puppies asdfqwer, you did it!
00:49.15adama_asdfqwer: good enough excuse for me :) hope you don't mind, Ill stick with neer
00:49.18adama_*BEER
00:49.52asdfqwerty both
00:50.07icebraindarrh00: I don't know how to do that, sorry
00:50.44darrh00icebrain:thanks all the same :)
00:51.05asdfqwerso if i have a server behind a router; i could technically still ssh into my server through my router, correct?
00:51.25liableif you forward port 22 to the server, yes
00:51.30asdfqwerthats it?
00:51.36liableyes
00:51.41asdfqwerwow
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00:55.10macliable: here's another output after I changed the scan_ap value
00:55.12machttp://paste.debian.net/28314/
00:55.59macRelated question: are modules allowed to store information on the filessytem, and if so, where?
00:56.03liablemac: do you have scan_ssid set in your conf? and whats your ap_scan value?
00:56.14liablewhat do you mean?
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00:58.35macliable: I think the ath5k module might be remembering the previous card and setting up values wrong in the new one, is there a way to reset it?  Also, the ap_scan is set to 1, and I don't have scan_ssid set.
00:59.01liablemac: nope, it doesnt store anything
00:59.23liabletry scan_ssid=1
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01:01.08macliable: tried adding scan_ssid=1 to my network block, no change.  this configuration works with the original card.
01:02.21liablemac: yeah, but different chips behave differently. some have better driver support than others. if your old one was a 5212, its the best supported card in ath5k and works very well.
01:02.53macliable: they are identical chipsets
01:03.21liablewell, thats a bit odd then
01:03.36macliable: literally the only difference between these cards as far as I can tell is the MAC address.  I also have a 3rd that is doing the same thing as this new one.
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01:07.19macliable: do you have any ideas as to what package to look for an answer in?
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01:07.52xtraemehi
01:08.24xtraemeI wanted to ask something about dpkg... does anyone know about any document about the dependency sorting algorithm used by it?
01:08.33liablemac: try the ath5k-users list. you could try a newer kernel, 2.6.28 has a much better ath5k. also, just to be sure, reboot your ap
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01:09.43macthanks for all your help liable, now I have direction, that's more then I had an hour ago. :D
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01:10.17xtraemeI'd like to know how dpkg decides when to unpack pkg X before Y and so on
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01:11.19xtraemeanyone?
01:11.40xtraemedon't tell RTFS, because I did
01:12.15frostschutzxtraeme: dependencies first?
01:12.29xtraemeyes, how the deps are sorted
01:12.36xtraemedirect and indirect
01:12.50xtraemeI've implemented my own algorithm and wanted to compare
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01:13.41xtraeme(just in case there's any developer or anyone familiar with deeper understanding of dpkg)
01:13.55stonedcustomizable method combination
01:13.58stonedopps
01:14.01frostschutzdo you need a sophisticated algorithm for that? you simply don't install a package before it's dependencies are installed, that alone results in an order that does not break?
01:14.59Akuwi want to install jre, when i try to do it i got There is not sun-java5-jre
01:15.01xtraemeok... thx, night
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01:15.44Akuwcan i use  free-java-sdk   ?
01:15.49firefoxaku: I needed java for iceweasel... seems like its already there
01:16.09icebrainAkuw: sun-java6-jre
01:17.15firefoxAnyone got xmms2 working ?
01:17.52Akuwuse Amarok
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01:18.09CutMeOwnThroatAkuw, sun-java6-jre in non-free
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01:18.48firefoxI got a habit haha... I use winamp 2.x and xmms usualy. I heard good things ablout amarok, but I'd prefer to get xmms2 working... it stoped after upgrading to lenny
01:18.55CutMeOwnThroatfirefox, no, not even the people who got it working
01:19.13CutMeOwnThroatactually there was nothing to "get it to work"
01:19.35firefoxcutme: ??? so its currently broken?
01:19.39CutMeOwnThroatno
01:19.43CutMeOwnThroatworks fine
01:19.46CutMeOwnThroat!doesn't work
01:19.46dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
01:20.24CutMeOwnThroatonly problem I had was to load a playlist at first
01:20.41CutMeOwnThroatI used the sonata gui to it
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01:20.47CutMeOwnThroatwas ok, if a bit basic
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01:21.15firefoxcutme: upgraded to lenny, got all the xmms2 packages.. and the systray icon. when Icopy a link to  the  dektop, it says xmms not found.. when I start it from kmenu, the gui never shows up
01:22.13CutMeOwnThroatI never use systrays, desktop-icons (for files) or kmenu (i.e. kde)...
01:22.38CutMeOwnThroatstart things from the command line so you get the error messages
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01:23.23CutMeOwnThroathmm
01:23.28firefoxcutme: command line works fine
01:23.38CutMeOwnThroatI wonder what the xmms2 daemon is called... can't see it
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01:23.47firefoxxmms2d I think
01:23.51CutMeOwnThroatno
01:24.01CutMeOwnThroatdid ps aux |grep xmms and didn's see a thing while it was playing
01:24.20CutMeOwnThroatoh :)
01:24.20CutMeOwnThroatsorry\
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01:24.25CutMeOwnThroatsonata was something else *g*
01:24.31CutMeOwnThroatI tried a couple of things lately...
01:24.35VasisthaI am trying to figure out the best way to transfer the contents of a windoze 98 hard drive from one computer to my linux box over a network. I've got the windoze box booted with a linux live CD (grml). I looked through dpkg --get-selections and the apps that popped out at me were openssh-server, atftpd, and netcat. It'd be wonderful if someone could help me get this transfer started
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01:24.56CutMeOwnThroatsonata used mpd :)
01:25.22CutMeOwnThroatah
01:25.34CutMeOwnThroatabraca or esperanza
01:25.47firefoxhmmm
01:25.55CutMeOwnThroatyeah, xmms2d :)
01:26.25CutMeOwnThroatI run esperanza from the command line and it seems to start xmms2d ok
01:26.26CutMeOwnThroatand play
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01:26.46firefoxsutme: so this is weird... it plays an aduio file with xmms2 play... but its like a 30sec clip and it seems like the radio station I was listening to before the ugprade haha
01:26.49CutMeOwnThroatif that works for you, it's not a problem with xmms2 but with your systray/kde menues or whatever you use to start it
01:26.55CutMeOwnThroat!tab completion
01:26.56dpkgHit <tab> to complete the nick ( on irc ), the program- or filename ( in bash ) or various program parameters ( in bash with tab-completion scripts enabled )
01:27.22firefoxkk I will try that... and srry for the typing... I smashed my finger haha... fingernail is almost falling off
01:27.32firefoxnot purposely trying to mmurder your eyes
01:27.45CutMeOwnThroatjust think that'll be much easier :)
01:27.51CutMeOwnThroatcu[TAB]
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01:29.52firefoxohhh... kk xmms2-launch  finaly gave me an error I can check out
01:29.56asdfqwerwhat is gnome's administrative app suite called?
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01:30.50CutMeOwnThroatVasistha, many ways e.g.  ... winbox> tar -cvzf - /mounted/windows/drive | nc linuxbox -p 3000  and nc -l -p 3000 | tar -xvzf -
01:30.52asdfqweri thought it was gnome-system-settings
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01:31.32Raylzany updated packages out yet?
01:32.03CutMeOwnThroatVasistha, also  " /msg dpkg ntfsclone ", I guess...
01:32.43VasisthaCutMeOwnThroat: thank you! Looks great
01:32.59CutMeOwnThroatbtw, today was the day where the time on unix systems was 1234567890
01:33.13bitmonkhello, i'm having trouble connecting a single iscsi target using open-iscsi on freshly installed / updated Etch, with a configuration that works on CentOSv5.  I seem to be able to connect, and open a session for discovery, but no block devices show up in dmesg as was the case on centos.
01:33.29bitmonkany help would be much appreciated, i can pastebin configs or messages or anything that would be helpful.
01:33.37Vasisthawow, look at that, my time is now 1234575234. I guess I missed an important event. oh well.
01:33.55CutMeOwnThroatI went to a talk and missed it :)
01:34.20firefoxcutme: ERROR: ../src/xmms/ipc.c:938: Couldn't setup IPC listening on 'unix:///tmp/xmms-ipc-firefox'.
01:34.20firefoxFATAL: ../src/xmms/main.c:484: IPC failed to init!
01:34.25bitmonkah, no, i got it, i needed to re-run discovery after disconnecting it from the other machine.  w00t! :)
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01:34.29firefoxmake any sense?
01:34.29CutMeOwnThroatwhen's that fun date again when 32 bit will not be enough to hold the time?
01:34.41bitmonk2037ish IIRC, CutMeOwnThroat
01:34.58CutMeOwnThroatwell, some more time to relax until then :)
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01:35.16adama_CutMeOwnThroat: plan to retire by then ;)
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01:35.24CutMeOwnThroatwell...
01:35.34Winnipeg_Guyok... so debian should be shooting up the list on distro watch tonight... last thing I read on the mailing list said today was the big day
01:35.38CutMeOwnThroatwhat if the computer decides I'm not born and doesn't pay out my pension?
01:35.53Winnipeg_GuyHas anyone read anything otherwise... about delays or some such?
01:36.01CutMeOwnThroatWinnipeg_Guy, tommorrow? ... well, depends on your timezone, I guess :)
01:36.33CutMeOwnThroathehe
01:36.43Winnipeg_GuyI guess... I thought friday the 13th though. Good day to release I think. :)
01:36.45CutMeOwnThroatactually, they could have tried to release at 123456789 :)
01:36.53CutMeOwnThroater
01:36.58CutMeOwnThroat1234567890
01:37.38Winnipeg_GuyIs there a develop irc channel... might be fun to lurk and watch today
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01:38.13CutMeOwnThroatprobably on oftc
01:38.37asdfqweranyone have an idea why my users-admin program keeps crashing when changing the pw?
01:39.37CutMeOwnThroatsure, let me just tune up my psychic abilities a bit
01:40.19CutMeOwnThroatargh, argh, the headache!!! Oh no, they're having sex 20 blocks off and some others are fighting 15 blocks off
01:40.34asdfqwerwould not being in the sudo group have something to do with it?
01:40.42asdfqweroh you're good
01:41.06CutMeOwnThroatasdfqwer, run ldd /usr/bin/users-admin
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01:41.22asdfqwerhappens w/ root too
01:41.30CutMeOwnThroatlook out for something suspicious
01:42.00CutMeOwnThroatalso... run "gdb users-admin" as root, provoke the crash and type "bt"
01:42.20CutMeOwnThroatmight not be so very useful if there are no debugging symbols compiled in
01:42.30CutMeOwnThroatbut if you're lucky it shows you where it crashes
01:42.59asdfqwernice advice
01:43.00CutMeOwnThroatand.... (they're still having sex, btw) it'll be some runtime library that's the wrong version and is not 100% compatible with what you need
01:43.20CutMeOwnThroator of course it could be a plain simple bug in the program itself
01:43.34CutMeOwnThroatcheck the BTS, probably someone reported it already
01:43.42asdfqwerwould me pastebinning ldd's output help you?
01:43.56CutMeOwnThroatme?
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01:44.06asdfqwerno, bobesponja
01:44.06CutMeOwnThroatI don't even use that program!
01:44.12asdfqwerlol k
01:44.14CutMeOwnThroatyou could do it, though
01:44.16bobesponjaasdfqwer: what?
01:44.17asdfqwerk
01:44.21asdfqwernothing
01:44.27asdfqwerbeing sarcastic at CutMeOwnThroat
01:44.30CutMeOwnThroatbobesponja, we just figured it's all your fault
01:44.41bobesponjawhat did I do?
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01:44.56CutMeOwnThroatnothing! that's exactly it! how could you?!
01:44.59asdfqwerbobesponja: i need you to do 3 jumping jacks a cartwheel and fap onto your keyboard
01:45.06asdfqwerthis is my solution
01:45.12bobesponjaasdfqwer: ok, I'm on it
01:45.35bobesponjadone
01:45.36CutMeOwnThroathm hurry, I gottago
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01:45.47CutMeOwnThroatwell, problem solved, don't need ldd anymore, I guess
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01:46.36CutMeOwnThroatasdfqwer, check the ldd output for anything pointing to some crap you installed in /usr/local...
01:46.50asdfqwerhttp://debian.pastebin.com/m68e99c62
01:47.20CutMeOwnThroatdid you check the bts, thne?
01:47.26asdfqwerwait, is it line 66?
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01:48.06CutMeOwnThroatoh... is this a 32bit binary?
01:48.28asdfqwerlooks like it. i'm using a 64 bit platform
01:48.41CutMeOwnThroatthen all is 64 bit
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01:49.05CutMeOwnThroatmy, this thing is loading everything and their uncle
01:49.07asdfqwerI just got my server running today
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01:49.34asdfqwerso I haven't messed with any of my reposotories
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01:49.59VasisthaCutMeOwnThroat: I'm getting 'no port[s] to connect to' on the sending side of netcat. Tried with ports 3000 and 20000. The receiving side is patiently waiting for a connection. I don't believe either has a firewall up or anything
01:50.56CutMeOwnThroatasdfqwer, well, guess you can file a bug on it
01:51.30asdfqwerCutMeOwnThroat: i think the package is gnome-system-settings
01:51.31CutMeOwnThroatVasistha, probably your network in some way...
01:51.53CutMeOwnThroatVasistha, try pinging and check with /sbin/ifconfig  and /sbin/route
01:52.04CutMeOwnThroatasdfqwer, package gnome-system-tools
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01:52.48CutMeOwnThroatasdfqwer, apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update ; apt-file search users-admin
01:52.54asdfqwerk
01:52.56asdfqwergood idea
01:53.00CutMeOwnThroator dlocate
01:53.05CutMeOwnThroat<PROTECTED>
01:53.07CutMeOwnThroat:)
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01:53.35CutMeOwnThroatgottago
01:54.01asdfqwerk thanks tho
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01:54.18VasisthaCutMeOwnThroat: well, ping works both ways, and traceroute shows just 1 hop. they're both connected via cable to a linksys router, I'm just at home, no fancy network
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01:56.29ZambeziCan anyone check why mpd+ncmpc won't work? The folder .mpd is already made (not as root) and db, pid etc. Debian Lenny no DE, just Ratpoison and needed X-packages. http://www.pastebin.ca/1336633
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01:57.32VasisthaCutMeOwnThroat: hmm, scp seems to be working; I'm not so enthusiastic about it going at 2 MB/s, but I guess it's better to wait for an hour and a half than to pull my hair out. Thanks for your input! One of these days I will get netcat to work.
01:58.59mactimesHello everyone.
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02:00.20mactimesI currently have a squid proxy running at Etch and I'm facing problems with corrupted pages in cache.  Does anyone have a clue about how I could troubleshoot this and find the source of the problem?
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02:24.18brickwild question: what's the most impenetrable man page in debian? want to show someone a good example of horrible geekiness.
02:24.36newsensefind ?
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02:25.14newsensenm, find is more like the hardest to interprit
02:25.36brickthanks newsense, not bad
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02:27.04newsensebrick: maybe bash
02:27.29brickoh that one's a monster
02:27.39newsenselike 5000 lines IIRC
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02:27.55vitryhi
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02:30.40karmatronicD-1
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02:41.56stonedkarmatronic, yo
02:42.01stonedlong time no see
02:42.50karmatronicright
02:42.51karmatroniclot of works!
02:42.51karmatroniclot of guitar/piano too...
02:42.51karmatronicso today is the big day?
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02:43.44stoned:)
02:43.47stonedtomorrow
02:43.54stonedsaturday valentine thingy
02:44.02karmatronicdamn cool
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02:44.21karmatronicit s also the 123456789 timestamp day btw
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02:54.53Akuwyesterday i installed  flashplayer-mozilla  and libflash-swfplayer
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02:55.00JyZyXEL!lenny status
02:55.00dpkgBarring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>
02:55.04Akuwso i can play youtube
02:55.14Akuwin the morning all was ok
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02:55.46Akuwbut now when i want to see you flash pages, in the place of animation all is blank
02:55.54Akuwwhy?
02:56.35mydrmeixdpkg-reconfigure flashplayer-mozilla?
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02:57.33Akuwnothing
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02:58.11Akuwi used   dpkg-reconfigure flashplayer-mozilla
02:58.14Akuwbut is the same
02:58.36theodredquick question, trying to update and/or flush dns cache. i don't have bind9, or any there dnsd installed as i can find it at least. just updated the dns to my hostname, and it still tries to use the old value for the hostname. not the new. also, other systems outside my lan pick up the change immediately.
02:59.01Akuwwhat could be the problem?
02:59.08simonrvnshould update when the ttl expires
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03:01.58AkuwAbrot: can you help?
03:02.26mydrmeixAkuw 64bit?
03:02.33Akuwno
03:02.45Akuwthe rare thing is this was working ok
03:03.47mydrmeixyou could try apt-get remove flashplayer-mozilla and reinstall it with the browser closed
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03:05.43Akuwok, i uninstall, but the problem is still there
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03:08.13dondelelcarotheodred: run dig foohostname; and see what the output is. That'll tell you what the TTL is and which dns server you're talking to
03:09.06theodredty.
03:09.12theodredbut will that update the cache?
03:09.19Akuw??
03:09.21jsubl2whats a good gtk based rss reader for lenny
03:09.39dondelelcarotheodred: no, it'll tell you what is going on, so you can start even thinking about updating the cache
03:09.40theodredas it has a new result for the same hostname that is
03:09.54Akuwdamm
03:10.10Akuwi use apt-get remove   and clean
03:10.11dondelelcarotheodred: if it has the new result, then run host foohostname; and ping foohostname; to see what is going on.
03:10.18Akuwand reinstall again, but nothing
03:10.49theodreddondelelcaro: the router on my network is the culprit.
03:10.53theodredthanks.
03:11.17dondelelcarotheodred: np
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03:22.05ZambeziI'm trying to configure mpd. It says permission denied on my musicfolder (which is owned by me zambezi:zambezi). How can I add mpd to zambezi? I've never done this in terminal, but this time I have to cause I didn't install Gnome.
03:26.35dondelelcaroZambezi: normally you'd just let any user read your music folder
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03:29.00Zambezidondelelcaro: My user and root can read/write to the folder, but not when I'm trying to build the db, then it stops.
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03:30.09dondelelcaroZambezi: mpd runs as the user mpd. Normally you'd let any user read your music, since it's not normally sensitive data
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03:32.44Zambezidondelelcaro: I noticed the symlinks are owned by root root (in /var/lib/mpd/music/). I'm not really sure if it's a good idea to change ownership of them. The actualfiles is not owned by root (zambezi:zambezi).
03:33.09dondelelcaroZambezi: it doesn't matter who owns the symlinks. What matters are the permissions on your music.
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03:33.36dondelelcaroZambezi: right now you've presumably got them o-rwx, where I'm suggesting that you make the files o+r, and the directories o+rx
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03:34.07Sazpaimon_awww man
03:34.11Sazpaimon_did I miss 1234567890
03:34.24Zambezidondelelcaro: drwxr-xr-x   2 zambezi zambezi  4096 2008-08-25 17:57
03:34.37ZambeziSazpaimon_: Yes, but I recorded it on my cellphone. ;-)
03:34.50dondelelcaroZambezi: and all of the files below that are o+r?
03:36.14Sazpaimon_Zambezi, lucky git
03:36.15Sazpaimon_:(
03:36.22Zambezidondelelcaro: -rw-r--r-- is ownership.
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03:36.57dondelelcaroZambezi: for all of the files in your music collection?
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03:37.25Zambezidondelelcaro: Yes.
03:37.41dondelelcaroZambezi: then mpc update; should work just fine
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03:42.53Zambezidondelelcaro: Starting Music Player Daemon: mpdcannot open music_directory "/var/lib/mpd/music/Music/" (config line 8): Permission denied || failed!
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03:43.26dondelelcaroZambezi: so then /var/lib/mpd/music/Music is not o+rx
03:47.43Sazpaimon_so should i just go ahead and upgrade to lenny tonight or should I wait for release
03:47.57Sazpaimon_(I'm on a production server)
03:48.46enyawixany one have sums for the iso i burned the image and will boot
03:49.48ZambeziSazpaimon_: Then hold a couple of day is my advice. I'm always careful upgrade to new release the first week.
03:50.11Sazpaimon_Zambezi, you saying I put too much stock in the debian testing team?
03:50.16Sazpaimon_i doubt that
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03:50.55JordiGHSo are we partying tomorrow?
03:51.02enyawixchroot install?
03:51.16JordiGHI'm all pooped out from ##1234567890. I get knocked down, but I get up again.
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03:51.43Sazpaimon_im pissed I missed it
03:51.58Sazpaimon_I'll be around next time!!
03:51.58EuShellsHello. If I have a script with control codes, what happens if I cp the file, ftp forth and back etc - doesn't that break the controlcodes?
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03:52.03Sazpaimon_rolleyes
03:52.39Sazpaimon_remind me in 25 years for 2345678901
03:53.08JordiGHBut lenny seems to be on schedule! http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
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03:54.06nsadminSazpaimon_ why, will you party like it's 9876543210?
03:54.28ZambeziSazpaimon_: I'm not lucky trying to change the rights, still root. chmod o+rx /path/ What am I doing wrong?
03:54.39Zambezidondelelcaro: I'm not lucky trying to change the rights, still root. chmod o+rx /path/ What am I doing wrong?
03:54.54Sazpaimon_nsadmin, i'll stock up on all my alex chu live forever devices
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03:55.39Sazpaimon_or is it alex Chiu
03:55.57Sazpaimon_http://www.alexchiu.com/ yeah thats it
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04:01.59bazwhats a good way to restart *conky* to see my config changes?
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04:08.50IntensityHi.  I want to get loop-aes encryption to work on /.  I've been happy booting to /boot manually and issuing the relevant commands.  However the only problem now is that after the pivot_root and successful bootup, /.. still refers to the previous root.  Is this a limitation of pivot_root?
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04:16.27tarzeaulenny?
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04:17.23Intensitytarzeau: Not sure if you're asking me, but I'm using etch.
04:17.33kj4hello
04:18.41kj4how is everyone tonight?, post, 1234567890
04:19.00tarzeaui was asking if it got released already
04:20.30kevix1tarzeau: hanging around after the nyc lenny party
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04:37.14sy_what's up with that shiznatz ?
04:37.14sy_eh my bros, my heavy hanging bros ?
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04:48.49aarkeriohi!  Lenny is out ???
04:49.57firefoxthe cake is a lie.
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04:52.42rohansqueeze
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04:55.14rohanis the http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable being followed already?
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05:26.40aarkeriosomebody is using PostgreSQL ?   /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 restart is not working
05:27.11CutMeOwnThroaterror?
05:28.09aarkerionone, just as command work but is too fast
05:28.25CutMeOwnThroatthere's no too fast for commands to run :)
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05:29.12aarkerioI mean using pg_ctl stop takes a minute or some
05:29.13CutMeOwnThroatis /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 a bash script?
05:29.21aarkerioyea
05:29.42CutMeOwnThroatwell, guess 1st thing you can do is to add an -x after /bin/bash in line 1
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05:30.00CutMeOwnThroatnot SO useful, perhaps
05:30.05CutMeOwnThroatbut we'll get there
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05:31.31aarkeriois weird and after googled looks like is happening just to me
05:31.39aarkeriolet me see
05:31.42CutMeOwnThroatthe problem is that those scripts all use start-stop-daemon which hides away the real error
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05:32.25CutMeOwnThroatdoh, the mysql one does not, though
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05:34.24aarkeriosudo /etc/init.d/postfix restart   works well  and apache2 too
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05:34.58CutMeOwnThroatwhat version of debian is that, btw
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05:36.59CutMeOwnThroatoh and you shouldnt google for that but look here
05:37.00CutMeOwnThroat!bts
05:37.00dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
05:37.38CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions postgresql-8.3
05:37.39juddCutMeOwnThroat: postgresql-8.3 -- etch-backports: 8.3.6-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.6-1 sid: 8.3.6-1
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05:40.10CutMeOwnThroathttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=509050
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05:40.27sh4d3sl4y3r_how much time remaining for lenny?
05:40.27CutMeOwnThroataarkerio, still awake?
05:40.29sh4d3sl4y3r_:)
05:40.41CutMeOwnThroatless than 1234567890 seconds
05:40.43Laeborg|Lapey
05:40.45sh4d3sl4y3r_lol
05:40.59CutMeOwnThroattoday was 1234567890 day
05:41.03sh4d3sl4y3r_lmao
05:41.04Laeborg|Lapive just changed etch to lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list and then typed apt-get update followed by apt-get dist-upgrade
05:41.13Laeborg|Lapbut it didn't upgrade to lenny
05:41.22CutMeOwnThroatyes... 1234567890 seconds since unix counts seconds
05:42.04CutMeOwnThroatdpkg, etch->lenny
05:42.05dpkgEnsure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade).  Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny.  aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade.  Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>.
05:42.28CutMeOwnThroataptitude is the recommended tool...
05:42.44CutMeOwnThroatthat is... the lenny aptitude is, as you see
05:43.30sh4d3sl4y3r_<< prefers to "taste" lenny and switch back to the testing-unstable hybrit
05:43.33sh4d3sl4y3r_*hybrid
05:43.54Laeborg|LapCutMeOwnThroat: didn't make any changes
05:44.06Laeborg|Lapaptitude dist-upgrade).  Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable
05:44.30CutMeOwnThroatwell, you did
05:44.37CutMeOwnThroat<Laeborg|Lap> ive just changed etch to lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list
05:44.52Laeborg|Lap0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
05:44.58Laeborg|Lapit writes
05:45.16CutMeOwnThroatthen your 1st statement was wrong
05:45.27Laeborg|Lapno :S
05:45.28CutMeOwnThroatI guess
05:45.40Laeborg|Laphow can i check what version im use?
05:45.55ZambeziCutMeOwnThroat: You're often helpful. Do you perhaps have an untouched mpd.conf cause I forgot to make a backup of it and then removed it and thought aptitude would add it again, but no.
05:46.09CutMeOwnThroatLaeborg|Lap,  cat /etc/debian_version
05:46.30Laeborg|Lap4.0
05:46.31CutMeOwnThroatZambezi, I am?! And that when all my intention is to be unfriendly and cuss at people...
05:47.22ZambeziCutMeOwnThroat: That's why I said often instead of always. :-P
05:47.28aarkerioCutMeOwnThroat, yea, looks my pgsql problems is an /etc/hosts issue
05:47.29CutMeOwnThroatbah
05:47.34CutMeOwnThroatZambezi, but I actually know this one
05:48.02CutMeOwnThroatthere's a factoid, though, which will say it more coherently and complete than I'd probably do
05:48.05CutMeOwnThroat!confmiss
05:48.05dpkgthe reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted.  You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
05:48.36kj4how do i install the kernel sources in lenny?
05:48.55CutMeOwnThroator you can just do dpkg --purge <package> or apt-get --purge remove package, then install it again
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05:49.29CutMeOwnThroathow did you do it before lenny?
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05:50.25CutMeOwnThroatLaeborg, 4.0 is indeed etch
05:50.33Laeborgyep
05:50.38kj4lenny is my first debian distro
05:50.41Laeborgi want to upgrade to lenny
05:50.52CutMeOwnThroatkj4 what is it you really want to do?
05:51.11Laeborghas lenny become the new stable ?
05:51.16aarkeriokj4, first: uname -a
05:51.20kj4install the nvidia driver that craps out because i don't have the kernel sources
05:51.27aarkeriokj4, then apt-cache search linus sources
05:51.47aarkeriosudo apt-get install module-assistant
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05:51.58aarkeriosudo m-a prepare
05:52.10CutMeOwnThroatkj4, aren't there prebuilt nvida modules for your kernel?
05:52.12CutMeOwnThroat!nvidia
05:52.12dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.  If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>).  nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
05:52.32nsadmincan you m-a prepare without root privs?
05:53.12CutMeOwnThroatkj4, see above... 1st check if there is one for you... if not then go for the /msg dpkg nvidia m-a
05:53.26CutMeOwnThroatnsadmin, guess
05:53.28khaleel5000hey guys, has lenny become the stable yet?
05:53.30aarkerio$sudo m-a prepare
05:53.52aarkeriokhaleel5000, looks like
05:54.54kj4CutMeOwnThroat, thanks-  i've got to learn my way around the debian wiki a little better
05:55.04kj4reading that section now
05:56.30CutMeOwnThroatkhaleel5000, I guess you'll see that on www.debian.org first?
05:56.47CutMeOwnThroatit's not even the 14th here yet!
05:56.58CutMeOwnThroatstill 3 minutes to go in my timezone
05:57.08CutMeOwnThroatand they said: "the weekend of the 14th"
05:57.16CutMeOwnThroatso it could very well be Sunday
05:57.38nsadminisn't there a specific date?
05:57.53ZambeziCutMeOwnThroat: No, didn't help cause aptitude broke after I removed it.
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05:59.07r1d3rthe release time is at 12 UTC, actually at that time they will start to update the FTP-Master which will take about 2 hours.
05:59.33CutMeOwnThroatZambezi, pardon?
05:59.45CutMeOwnThroat"aptitude broke"?
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05:59.53CutMeOwnThroatnsadmin, yes, this weekend
05:59.58CutMeOwnThroatsounds pretty specific to me
06:00.13ZambeziCutMeOwnThroat: It can't proceed cause the configfile is missing.
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06:00.41log3ris debian with freebsd kernel a complete usuable OS ?
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06:01.10Supaplex!kbsd
06:01.10dpkgshorthand for debian's gnu userland under a FreeBSD kernel. See #gnu-kbsd (irc.freenode.net)
06:01.24Supaplexlog3r: it's pretty close
06:02.27CutMeOwnThroatZambezi, dpkg --purge packagename doesn't work?
06:02.35log3rare there also stable testing and sid?
06:07.20ZambeziCutMeOwnThroat: No, but now I read the whole errormessages and it needs access to the pidfile to be able to stop the daemon. And it's 07.10 here so I'm beat. It a project for "tomorrow".
06:08.06khaleel5000aarkerio:  CutMeOwnThroat  well at debian.org they are still referring to 4.0 as stable  :(
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06:09.49CutMeOwnThroat7.10?
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06:10.02CutMeOwnThroatkhaleel5000, well, what does that tell you...
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06:10.29khaleel5000:( not yet
06:10.45CutMeOwnThroatSaturday began 10 minutes ago here
06:10.47CutMeOwnThroatand they said they'd release this weekend
06:10.55CutMeOwnThroatthe weekend is over at Sunday, no?
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06:11.02khaleel5000saturday started 11 hours ago here ! :P
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06:11.28christozgood morning! I am connected via ssh with a remote computer, this computer is localy connected via samba with a windows computer, can i browse the shared folder of windows pc which is available on samba network?
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06:11.57parsifal_The way Apache 2 has been packaged and configured in Lenny is awesome
06:12.04dondelelcarochristoz: yes
06:12.10parsifal_it actually frickin tells me when and where I've made a configuration mistake
06:12.20CutMeOwnThroathehe
06:12.22dondelelcarochristoz: man smbclient for details
06:12.37parsifal_and I like how the conf files are separated, with vhosts and modules in their own little compartments
06:12.49parsifal_if someone responsible for that is in here, thanks!!
06:13.00christozdondelelcaro, ok thanks for the keyword
06:13.06CutMeOwnThroatI liked the way pretty much how it told me which servers it had to restart and what might break etc.
06:13.20aarkeriochristoz, or  mount -t  //network/ ...   I can't remember, google
06:13.31christozalright
06:13.46CutMeOwnThroatyou mean
06:13.48CutMeOwnThroat!smbmount
06:13.48dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, smbmount is 'smbmount //HOST/SHARE PASS -c 'mount MOUNT_POINT''
06:13.59aarkerioyea smbmount!
06:14.10dondelelcaroparsifal_: it's Stefan Fritsch; you can e-mail him (or use reportbug -k apache2)
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06:14.26aarkeriocreate mkdir /media/my_remote_disk
06:14.28parsifal_dondelelcaro, Cool, thanks for the info!
06:15.06dondelelcaroparsifal_: np; glad that you're liking what's in Debian
06:15.40parsifal_dondelelcaro, I am. This is my first real experience with it and I like it
06:16.03CutMeOwnThroatkhaleel5000, don't fault me for your timezone!
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06:19.14parsifal_I gotta say, too, XFCE4 is like the perfect WM; I'd used it before, but GNOME just keeps getting bigger and bigger.. it's hard to use it, especially in a VM
06:19.30khaleel5000CutMeOwnThroat: hehe,well i was told  lenny's release will be at UTC...so i thought its  more than 4 hrs there too
06:19.52Laeborghow can i upgrade my kde from 3.5 to 4.x ?
06:20.08Supaplex!start a wm war
06:20.08dpkgratpoison bites!
06:20.23Supaplex<3's openbox
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06:21.52CutMeOwnThroatLaeborg, you wait until it's gone from experimental to unstable and won't explode your computer and make you die in interesting ways anymore
06:22.09Laeborgokay :P
06:22.25CutMeOwnThroatof course, if you really WANT, you can install it from experimental
06:22.28CutMeOwnThroat!experimental
06:22.28dpkgexperimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development.  Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them.  DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING.  #debian does not support experimental.  For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
06:23.04CutMeOwnThroatthere's a #debian-kde as well... there might be someone there who's using kde4
06:23.38parsifal_what was that one WM.. it was really hot like 5 or more years ago..
06:23.41parsifal_it was super menu based
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06:24.22CutMeOwnThroatparsifal_, aptitude search ~Gx11::window-manager
06:24.39parsifal_CutMeOwnThroat, good idea
06:24.58parsifal_CutMeOwnThroat, what does the ~G do?
06:25.03CutMeOwnThroation2?
06:25.10parsifal_ion2.. that sounds really familar
06:25.11parsifal_familiar
06:25.18CutMeOwnThroatnot to me, though
06:25.32parsifal_oh is ion the keyboard one??
06:25.43CutMeOwnThroatstumpwm ... a lisp wm
06:25.44CutMeOwnThroathell
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06:25.50parsifal_oh no that was rat.. something
06:25.51CutMeOwnThroatemacs exploded
06:25.56CutMeOwnThroatratpoison
06:26.01parsifal_ratpoison, that's it
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06:26.52parsifal_I used it at this job to set up a bunch of semi-dumb terminals so they could run terminal apps and remote Windows apps on this Linux server
06:26.55CutMeOwnThroatI should probably find/switch to a WM that works out-of-the-box for me
06:26.56parsifal_crazy
06:27.09parsifal_I used to use WindowMaker for a long time
06:27.12parsifal_I still like it
06:27.12SupaplexCutMeOwnThroat: works out of the openbox? :D
06:27.17parsifal_lol
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06:27.25CutMeOwnThroatopenbox is indeed rather close
06:28.26Guerinuse evilwm
06:28.30Guerinit's wonderful
06:28.43Guerinno window decorations to get in your damned way
06:28.44Guerinno panels
06:28.47Guerinno bullshit
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06:30.20parsifal_maybe it was fluxbox..
06:30.22parsifal_do people still use that?
06:30.32firefoxI played around with it..
06:30.45parsifal_oh yeah I remember this
06:30.45firefoxDSL uses it I think
06:30.59CutMeOwnThroatI gues at least the packager uses it
06:31.05CutMeOwnThroatand the guy who wrote it
06:31.28parsifal_I remember they were still working on Enlightenment..
06:31.33parsifal_haha
06:32.01CutMeOwnThroatare there any WMs written in cobol?
06:32.07CutMeOwnThroator in brainfuck :)
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06:32.40parsifal_Xfce is pretty but still usable and fast
06:32.44parsifal_haha
06:32.49CutMeOwnThroathaha?
06:32.57parsifal_brainfuck
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06:33.02CutMeOwnThroatah
06:33.08parsifal_isn't that that language that was made to be confusing?
06:33.24parsifal_ah, no, it's something else
06:33.27CutMeOwnThroatI guess you could write it with brainfuck/TK
06:33.39parsifal_still doesn't make a whole lot of sense
06:34.23CutMeOwnThroat!brainfuck
06:34.23dpkg[brainfuck] a Turing complete language at http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/
06:34.41CutMeOwnThroatwell... 8 instructions
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06:35.03parsifal_I'm guessing it's hard to make inroads into the professional world when your language includes the word "fuck"
06:35.15Guerinparsifal_: not at all.
06:36.26parsifal_man, I'm beat
06:36.28parsifal_I'm going to bed
06:36.29parsifal_later
06:36.41CutMeOwnThroatbeats parsifal_
06:36.46parsifal_lol
06:36.52firefoxso... still no gui for xmms2, other than that everythings working..
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06:37.49CutMeOwnThroatfirefox,  abraca,esperanza?
06:38.04CutMeOwnThroatgxmms2?
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06:40.30firefoxcutme: you know.... I seriously need to get something for this A.D.D. haha
06:40.58CutMeOwnThroatadd? ads?
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06:41.13firefoxridalin haha
06:41.31CutMeOwnThroat!add
06:41.32dpkgrumour has it, add is the auto descruction device in debian
06:41.34CutMeOwnThroatI see
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06:45.10firefoxcutme: so both those work, but its not the default skianble xmms gui I am looking for... I mguess they will do until I figure it out
06:46.03CutMeOwnThroatno, they're not
06:46.10CutMeOwnThroatthey're pretty disappointing actually
06:46.21firefoxyeah...
06:46.36CutMeOwnThroatsonata/mpd is a bit better if you want server/client
06:46.41CutMeOwnThroatamarok is quite good
06:46.41firefoxbut atleast I dont have to right click the tray icon and hit next haha
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06:47.18firefoxI suppose I will have to get over my xenophobia and try amarok... does it do video to?
06:47.26CutMeOwnThroatno idea
06:47.41craigevilno
06:48.21CutMeOwnThroatmind, there's some... uh... amarok2 or so project that is nearly as incomplete as xmms2
06:48.30CutMeOwnThroatI think
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06:53.42firefoxhmm
06:54.01firefoxI liked the xmms-mplayer plugin.. just to keep all my media in one app...
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06:57.38CutMeOwnThroatI like commandline-mplayer
06:58.20CutMeOwnThroatno unnecessary gui elements
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07:02.08SupaplexCutMeOwnThroat: ditto :) mplayer -shuffle -playlist mymp3s.pls   ftw
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07:03.32firefoxAs you can tell( even though its worse with my smashed finger) commandline is not friendly with me hahah.
07:06.33spersaudis lenny stable yet ?
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07:07.26Guerin!topicbadger spersaud
07:07.26dpkg/topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that spersaud didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic...
07:07.42pdflatexuserIs there a bash/sed/linux command that selects part of a string, e.g. characters 5 through 8 ?
07:08.09Guerinpdflatexuser: ask #bash
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07:08.50pdflatexuserGuerin: and also #sed and also #????? ?
07:09.06alturiakpdflatexuser: try cut
07:09.07Guerinpdflatexuser: #bash is pretty good for all those sorts of tools
07:09.19Guerincut is what I'd use, but I can't tell you the syntax ottomh
07:09.34pdflatexuseralturiak: AFAIK cut requires delimiters
07:09.37rocksolidecho $string | cut -b5-8
07:09.55alturiakpdflatexuser: try man cut ;-)
07:10.59pdflatexuseralturiak: you're right (not bash after all)
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07:11.17alturiakrocksolid: I'd use -c, -b might be troublesome with multibyte chars, I guess
07:11.24mohadibwhere do i edit to add start up options to mysqld?
07:12.11spersaudis it a problem if you're running lenny and edit sources.list and put stable and run apt-get update ? then upgrade ?
07:12.24spersaudnow I switched it back to lenny .. and ..........
07:13.11spersaudshould that affect anything ?
07:13.13Guerinspersaud: just leave it as lenny and nothing will change.
07:13.31spersaudGuerin: I know, I now realize that ..
07:13.35spersaudbut I did that just now
07:14.17pdflatexuserCan Debian do "switch user" like Ubuntu (i.e. without logging out the current user?). I know it's possible to startx in tty8, etc. but that's not what I'm asking
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07:14.34mohadibanyone? wherer to add startup options for mysql?
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07:15.03Guerinmohadib: /etc/default/mysql might do it
07:15.28enoufpdflatexuser: sounds like a DE function
07:15.39mohadibGuerin: that file doesnt exist :\
07:15.48Guerinmohadib: hence `might'
07:15.53mohadibndos
07:15.56enoufmohadib: dpkg -L <pkgname> | grep doc (also might be useful)
07:16.59alkisgI'm packaging an educational application (english language lessons) into a .deb. What should I put into the "Section: xxx" line of the DEBIAN/control file? "Section: education" would sound good to me, but I couldn't find any other package that uses "ecucation" in the section line.
07:17.15mohadibenouf: thanks
07:17.15Guerin!sections
07:17.15dpkgsections are main, non-free, contrib. The Real Debian only includes main. http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#note
07:17.29Guerinalkisg: ^ determined by license.
07:17.30liablealkisg: theres a debian-edu team in debian
07:17.48alkisgHuh? I see "devel", "graphics" etc as the line in "sections"
07:17.58Guerinoh
07:18.10Guerinstupid dpkg
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07:19.02alkisgThe docs say: "The Section line gives the "section" where this Debian package is stored at the Debian FTP sites. " but I can't figure out what that means...
07:19.19Guerinalkisg: http://packages.debian.org/stable/ # I would suggest `miscellaneous'
07:19.28liablealkisg: doesnt apear to be an edu section, is it maths or ?
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07:21.17enoufIf you look at update-menus perhaps, i see under Apps  > Editors , Education, Graphics, Math ...
07:21.29alkisgErm, no, no appropriate section. I guess "miscellaneous" it is, then. But should I put "misc" or "miscellaneous"?
07:21.42alkisgenouf: I don't think it has to do with the gnome menu system...
07:21.59liablemisc
07:22.06alkisgThank you all :)
07:22.07enoufwow .. i just so inadvertantly fired up an app called ... Glade?
07:22.23liableisnt that a toilet freshener?
07:22.31enoufyes
07:22.51liabledid you accidently your whole pants?
07:22.52enoufliable: swims around with the tidy bowl man
07:22.56CutMeOwnThroatnow your computer smells nice?
07:23.28liablethat stuf smells worse than most turds..
07:24.00enoufalkisg: Gnome menu system? hrm, my menu says Debian, but i don't use menus
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07:26.07xavieranHi :)
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07:27.21dihymohappy lenny day?
07:27.31d-bits not out yet is it ?
07:27.40CutMeOwnThroatyes... questions if it got released all 2.34 minutes
07:27.49CutMeOwnThroatsee?
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07:28.21d-bCutMeOwnThroat: there are still some rc bugs no ?
07:28.26anonymou1I'm used to DOS, and am trying to write a quick and dirty command line program in C that fetches individual keystrokes without waiting for newline, and setbuf (stdin, NULL); / fgetc (stdin); isn't doing it for me... anyone know how to do this?
07:28.48enoufkeylogger?
07:29.23alkisgenouf: sorry, I didn't understand you before. Still, I don't think it is related with the debian menus.
07:29.27CutMeOwnThroatlooks at the channel name to see if it's called #c
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07:30.22enoufalkisg: well  .. to me a "Sections:" section is just fucken stupid .. especially if it has nothing to do with menus
07:30.39enoufalkisg: maybe you want to know more about debtags
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07:31.28enoufflushes KongOut after it took 10 minutes to load some crap-assed SWF video about how to use my cell phone
07:31.55enouf..and it doesn't even display .. haha
07:32.09CutMeOwnThroatyou flush after using glade?
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07:32.36anonymou1cut: It's a linux specific question; I'll try #c next if I can't find an answer, but I'm using a EEE PC with Linux, which is remotely decended from Debian, so I figured I might be able to ask here...
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07:32.57enouf!fail
07:32.59Guerinalkisg: linux is not even remotely descended from debian
07:33.04Guerin*sigh*
07:33.08Guerinanonymou1: linux is not even remotely descended from debian
07:33.14anonymou1nono... other way around...
07:33.14CutMeOwnThroathaha
07:33.22CutMeOwnThroatGuerin, well done... you made you point nicely
07:33.40Guerinhas his own section on failblog
07:34.00anonymou1Not what I was saying... the install on my EEE PC is a linux distro decended from Debian; which is beside the point anyway.  Thanks anyway.
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07:34.16iwksehi all, i'm having problems with accent letters in debian etch. i should set the LC_ALL env var?
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07:35.36Gueriniwkse: which locale?
07:35.41Guerin(and charset)
07:36.12iwkseso locale is en_GB but i need to write stuff with accents
07:36.27CutMeOwnThroatyou probably can
07:36.36Guerin!compose
07:36.36dpkgTo enter chars like ïÇô¿ or  Ã©Ã¢ÃŸÃ± in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñAsk me about <compose sequences> for a how to find out what key combinations you can use. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command, or http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html
07:36.48CutMeOwnThroatbtw.
07:36.56Guerinselect a locale of your choice and fire away. I recommend utf-8
07:36.59iwkseit's on terminal, i don't have an X server
07:37.04CutMeOwnThroatdo you see that stuff after "characters like" correctly?
07:37.15iwksei'm using en_GB.UTF-8
07:37.32CutMeOwnThroatthe stuff after the "or" is ok, the things before are garbled
07:37.38CutMeOwnThroat(for me)
07:37.45iwkseno i don't see correctly
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07:38.18iwkseactually i just need à ò è é ù
07:38.22CutMeOwnThroatuh console and needs accent?
07:38.24iwkseand ì maybe
07:38.32iwkseyes, working on some files
07:38.38iwksevim has troubles with that
07:38.49iwksebut also bash
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07:39.08CutMeOwnThroatand I wondered if Guerin sees them correctly :)
07:39.58Guerindoes
07:40.21CutMeOwnThroatstrange - looks like utf-8 to me and I thought I configured that
07:40.39CutMeOwnThroathm
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07:41.14CutMeOwnThroatiwkse, perhaps you can just switch to a kbd variant with dead keys
07:41.41CutMeOwnThroatthat should give you à ò è é ù
07:41.52iwkseso i can actually type them
07:41.58CutMeOwnThroatthere's also an international kbd and I configured my X to use that
07:41.59iwksethe problem is another
07:42.16iwksewhen i type them the terminal or vim get crazy, looks like a bug
07:42.16CutMeOwnThroatit is?
07:42.20iwkseeg i have
07:42.35kamathlnanyone knows if the madwifi modules supplied by eeepc.debain.net are customised ? i tried compiling tthe latest official madwifi and it does not even detect my card
07:42.46liableno they arent
07:42.55liablethey are built from the source in debian
07:43.00CutMeOwnThroatwell, try LC_CTYPE or as you said LC_ALL
07:43.01iwkseme@host$à
07:43.10liablekamathln: you need the hal version 10 for the 2425
07:43.16iwksepress backspace
07:43.22iwkseme@host
07:43.28iwkseit cuts the $
07:43.29enoufïÇô¿ or  Ã©Ã¢ÃŸÃ±
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07:44.03CutMeOwnThroatiwkse, you can fix that by pressing ctrl-l when it happens
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07:44.17iwksethis is not a real fix
07:44.25kamathlnliable: hal version 10 ?
07:44.28CutMeOwnThroatI know
07:44.28iwksesince i'm changing files, they are all screwed
07:44.33kamathlnfrom where /
07:44.35kamathln?
07:44.49pdflatexuserhow do I make "locate" start working in Hardy Heron ?
07:45.05arezey!ubuntu
07:45.05dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
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07:45.06iwksepdflatexuser: this is #debian not #ubuntu
07:45.07enoufyeah HAL9000 was a bit buggy .. according to Dave
07:45.30liablekamathln: http://snapshots.madwifi-project.org/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6/
07:45.51CutMeOwnThroatiwkse, if setting $LC_CTYPE or so doesn't help I don't know
07:46.18lxsameerhow can i controll that what module load at the boot time?
07:46.25CutMeOwnThroatiwkse, well - or run hexedit on the file :)
07:46.31enoufin /etc/modules
07:46.48enoufor .. /etc/modprobe.d/
07:47.09enoufdepending on control
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07:48.00CutMeOwnThroathmm
07:48.07CutMeOwnThroatiwkse, actually works fine for me in vim
07:48.19kamathlnliable .. thanks.. I also stumpbled upon http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k
07:48.30CutMeOwnThroatiwkse, console bash prompt refuses to print them, but vim prints/erases them fine
07:48.31enoufset: utfcrap ON
07:48.32enouf?
07:48.41liablekamathln: ath5k works in the 28 kernel, not the debian 2.6.26 one
07:48.45kamathlnliable: i am a bit of FOSS zealot .. so i'll try ath5k first
07:48.53kamathlnliable: oh..
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07:49.04liablefor that chipset..
07:49.19kamathlnliable:  2.6.28.5 here now.. trying
07:49.31liableshould work fine
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07:49.47pdflatexuserHardy Heron could just as easily have been a Debian?
07:49.54liableeh?
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07:50.13enoufit's components most certainly started out that way
07:50.18nsadminhurdy gurdy?
07:50.32CutMeOwnThroatiwkse, could it be that you have vim-tiny installed and that doesn't handle it as well?
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07:50.36enouf(most ... anyway) ...
07:50.46CutMeOwnThroatpdflatexuser, well and al gore could just as easily have become president
07:51.02pdflatexuserIt's like you come to Unix people, talk about Linux, and they tell you Linux is not Unix (just like Ubuntu is not Debian)
07:51.02tanlaanHey everyone
07:51.17iwkseCutMeOwnThroat: i'm checking this...
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07:51.24enoufCutMeOwnThroat: you mean; Al Gore could just as easily worked for Big Oil :-P
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07:51.36CutMeOwnThroatsomething like that
07:51.41liablewake up sheeple?
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07:51.51enouftime to flush
07:51.52CutMeOwnThroatsheeple?
07:51.54pdflatexuserAl Gore would have won if he ran in 2008 instead of 2000
07:52.05firefoxcutme: so it turns out there is no xmms2 gui... but I had been using xmms with all the xmms2 fixings  and it worked fine.. lenny doesnt have xmms by itself it seems.
07:52.11enouf!win pdflatexuser
07:52.11dpkgCongratulations, pdflatexuser! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
07:52.13kamathlnliable: it does not even associate
07:52.32enoufbah .. dpkg - wrong $VAR :-P
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07:52.40kamathlnliable: [prematurely hit enter] it does not even associate with the router
07:52.57CutMeOwnThroateeek
07:53.05liablekamathln: you dont have madwifi installed for that kernel do you? the iface is wlan0 or ath0?
07:53.06DaBonBonhow is the debian 5.0 release procedure going on? can i check the "status" somewhere?
07:53.11CutMeOwnThroathe prematurely ejaculated the sentence
07:53.21pdflatexuserenouf: I see your award, and would like to give you my award award for your award
07:53.23kamathlnwlan0
07:53.25liablekamathln: i dont have 28 on my 701, but i hear it works well
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07:53.42kamathlnliable .. me off for lunch .. will join back in an hour..
07:53.48enoufgoes to the john and fishes out another .. award
07:53.52kamathlnliable: thanks for all the help till now
07:53.53liablei have to go dig in the garden too..
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07:54.08CutMeOwnThroatDaBonBon, http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
07:54.18pdflatexuser!win liable
07:54.18dpkgCongratulations, liable! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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07:54.30pdflatexuser!win firefox
07:54.30dpkgCongratulations, firefox! You have won the US presidency!
07:54.36enouf* ath5k: add Mesh Point support (commit), add support for AR2417 v2 (commit), implement multi-rate retry support (commit)
07:54.45lxsameerenouf: i don't want acpi_cpufreq load at boot time what should i do?
07:54.58ribasushi!win ribasushi
07:54.58dpkgCongratulations, ribasushi! You have won the US presidency!
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07:55.10pdflatexuser!win dpkg
07:55.11dpkgCongratulations, dpkg! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
07:55.12ribasushiassassinates firefox
07:55.13CutMeOwnThroatI think you've played enough with the bot now, please stop
07:55.15liableok kids, enough
07:55.23enouflxsameer: hrm ... modinfo acpi_cpufreq | grep -i Depends
07:55.47enouflxsameer: maybe you want to remove some acpi-* or cpufreq* pkgs .. not sure
07:55.58CutMeOwnThroatyou can continue with "/msg dpkg win me"  if your heart hangs on it
07:56.39ribasushipokes CutMeOwnThroat with a stick
07:56.50ribasushistomps on liable
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07:57.17iwkseCutMeOwnThroat: ok it's fixed, it was just missing the locale i needed :>
07:57.29CutMeOwnThroatwhich one did you need?
07:57.35enoufdepends:        freq_table,processor
07:57.42iwksedonno why it could anyway print accented letters
07:57.46iwkseit_IT.UTF-8
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07:57.58CutMeOwnThroathuh
07:58.18CutMeOwnThroatwhy italian?!
07:58.23iwksebecause i need!
07:58.26enouf,,,
07:58.29iwkse:D
07:58.30CutMeOwnThroatlooks more like french accents to me... but ok
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07:58.41iwkseitalians accents are similar to french
07:58.45iwksethey just have few more
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08:00.58pdflatexuseriwkse: ... R's ?
08:01.45iwksepdflatexuser: i mean the other type of accent, we have just \ /
08:01.46changhello,debian lenny today becomes stable?
08:01.56CutMeOwnThroathttp://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
08:01.58iwksepdflatexuser: they also have the ~
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08:02.01Guerinchang: if you're in the right timezone it might
08:02.10CutMeOwnThroatchang, ^^
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08:02.34changim italian
08:02.44iwkseciao :)
08:03.02CutMeOwnThroatcould put something on that in the topic, actually... I guess it'll continue like this all day
08:03.07Guerinchang: i wouldn't rely on anything until tomorrow
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08:03.16changbut i use always testing,when lenny stable,my system great upgrade?
08:03.19Guerinchang: i recommend liberal use of topicbadger
08:03.40Guerinchang: if ou have testing in sources.list, it will change. If you have lenny, it won't.
08:03.43pdflatexuserWill Debian ever be as user-friendly as Ubuntu ?
08:03.48liableno
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08:03.53ribasushiluckily no
08:03.59Guerinpdflatexuser: it's already user-friendly, it's just picky about who its users are.
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08:04.07CutMeOwnThroathehe
08:04.09firefoxgue: lol
08:04.10CutMeOwnThroatwell said
08:04.11ribasushistupid user friendly == dumbed down
08:04.35CutMeOwnThroatGuerin, did you just come up with that or was it a quote?
08:04.38pdflatexuserif you want to be 1337 by using a user-unfriendly Linux, why not Slackware or one of those DIY kits ?
08:04.54GuerinCutMeOwnThroat: it's a misquote of an old saying about unix
08:04.59CutMeOwnThroatah
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08:05.20ribasushipdflatexuser: I don't want to be 1337, I just don't want an OS that centers around "Shiny!"
08:05.25Guerinpdflatexuser: what makes you think we want to be 1337? We have certain needs. debian fills them. Other systems don't. If they did, we'd use them instead.
08:05.25CutMeOwnThroatGuerin, google agrees to that
08:05.31CutMeOwnThroatdon't troll the feed!
08:05.34liablepdflatexuser: your comments are just asking to incite a trollfest, please stop it
08:05.57iceninelatex man
08:06.02changbut i want upgrade at new testing,and yes i've testing in sources.list not lenny,and so which package upgrade new testing?all packages?
08:06.05ribasushiwe can haz morning trollfests?
08:06.09ribasushido want!
08:06.09iceninenow you'd only use tha tif you wanted to be 1337
08:06.11iceninesure
08:06.12pdflatexuserit says so on Wiki : http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Linux
08:06.12CutMeOwnThroatliable, 2:0 for me... I seem to stay one step ahead :)
08:06.34Guerinchang: everything will begin to change. It will be an exciting time, over the next week or so.
08:06.41icenineknuth invented that shit, but, other software can do it.
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08:07.02changok
08:07.06liablei think i'll wait a week for the fun to die down
08:07.08Guerinpdflatexuser: uncyclopedia as an authoritative source, eh. Classy.
08:07.23Guerinicenine: nothing is as awesome as TeX.
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08:07.39ribasushiGuerin: LaTeX is more awesome
08:07.42pdflatexuserUncyclopedia means Not Encyclopedia, like GNU means Not Unix
08:07.58simonrvnpdflatexuser: that's not "Wiki", that's "a wiki".
08:08.07Guerinribasushi: it's just a bunch of config files for TeX. But yeah, it's more useful.
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08:08.48simonrvnsaying "Wiki" for some random wiki is pretty effing useless.
08:08.51Guerinpdflatexuser: i can cook a chicken and call it a duck, don't make it a duck. Even if it is on the table with its legs stickin' up.
08:09.01simonrvnthere's thousands and thousands of them around.
08:09.06CutMeOwnThroatducks?
08:09.11Guerinthem too
08:09.32CutMeOwnThroatreminds me of the joke with the very small piano
08:10.07Guerinribasushi: ok, so `config files' is perhaps a bit uncharitable.
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08:10.19CutMeOwnThroatslightly
08:10.47CutMeOwnThroatnow, 12 UTC means noon?
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08:11.03enouf!noone
08:11.03dpkgme thinks 'Noone' is a character (Buddy Noone) in a bad Clint Eastwood movie (Bloodline or someshit) .. it's not a word! .. so stop using it as such please! Also;  ***noone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean I do.
08:11.04CutMeOwnThroatprobably
08:11.12simonrvnOH FUCKING TODAY?! WOOT
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08:11.32CutMeOwnThroatsimonrvn, you're a quick one :)
08:11.32Guerinsimonrvn: personally, I would have won the pool if they'd waited another month
08:11.35pdflatexuserdpkg, tif
08:11.35dpkgno idea, pdflatexuser
08:11.56simonrvni hadn't realized the date until now ;)
08:12.05Guerinbut in fairness, if it happens, this will be the first time I've ever picked too late, and that, people, is called progress
08:12.06liablechealer wins
08:12.20pdflatexuserUbuntu has dpkg too, but we use it from the command line, not in chat rooms
08:12.25CutMeOwnThroatsimonrvn,  one of the next 1000 ppl coming in asking if it already released would have given you a hint
08:12.36liablepdflatexuser: jeez, just fucking stop it already
08:12.40iceninepdflatexuser, you are a blatant and pathetic troll
08:12.42simonrvni haven't been on dude ;)
08:12.45iceninepdflatexuser, work on your material
08:12.57nsadmindpkg, does ubuntu have you too?
08:12.58dpkgnsadmin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
08:13.12simonrvnpdflatexuser: do you need jokes? sounds like it 'cause yours are pretty damned lame.
08:13.24CutMeOwnThroatwell, stop feeding them already
08:13.36iceninepdflatexuser, change your nick to OBAMA666 and /join ##politics. let the fun begin
08:13.39CutMeOwnThroatif we're being totally offtopic for a longer time, it should at least be fun
08:13.51Guerinsimonrvn: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4844847a11.html
08:14.02Guerinicenine: that would be awesome
08:14.22icenineGuerin, you think that's good?
08:14.35Guerinicenine: BOTH the insane neo-nazis and the insane zionists would have at him.
08:14.41Guerinthat takes some doing
08:14.43firefoxIsnt unbuntu debian based anyway?
08:14.58icenineGuerin, i found  a rich spoiled kid with an inheritance in there, who buys these snake oil placebo "monoatomic" gold pills to increase his well being and spirituality at prices around ~$1000
08:15.00Guerinfirefox: yeah, like all cars are ford-based
08:15.15firefoxyay! ford!
08:15.15CutMeOwnThroatfirefox, /msg dpkg ubuntu
08:15.16iceninehow so
08:15.17Guerinicenine: was he an insane neo-nazi or an insane zionist?
08:15.22icenineford didn't invent cars
08:15.45icenineGuerin, nah
08:15.46Guerinicenine: debian didn't invent linux distros, it just created the first mass-produced one which was awesome enough to copy
08:15.58CutMeOwnThroatredhat?
08:15.59icenineGuerin, moderate zionism, no diff then standard american perspective
08:16.02Guerinicenine: you mean there are other types in there!!??!?!??
08:16.12pdflatexuserDebian is Ubuntu-compatible, but I don't think it's fair to say that one is based on another.
08:16.16icenineGuerin, debian is the only distro worth using
08:16.31icenineGuerin, i've used slackware, redhat, gentoo, arch
08:16.35icenineumm
08:16.41Guerinpdflatexuser: you're an idiot. Debian isn't binary-compatible with ubuntu, and ubuntu is directly based on debain.
08:16.51firefoxIf I could, I would make swee sweet love to debian... heckl I'd even claim the bastard children..
08:16.56Guerinicenine: I've used all the main ones except SuSE, and I concur.
08:17.07pdflatexuserGuerin: I didn't say it's BINARY-compatible
08:17.11icenineI used ubuntu, and sus
08:17.12iceninee
08:17.20iceninebut suse failed very very quickly
08:17.25simonrvnGuerin: hm interesting - surely it would at least have some protection from being exploited like fiat did.
08:17.26Guerinpdflatexuser: well, being as it's not BINARY-compatible, it's not ANY SORT OF compatible,.
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08:17.50Guerinsimonrvn: nope. And still doesn't in real terms - only in symbolic terms.
08:17.52iceninepdflatexuser, the fact that you even conisder saying the word "ubuntu" should make you contraband
08:18.01CutMeOwnThroatGuerin, I feel he improved his trolling :)
08:18.04iceninepdflatexuser, ubuntu = baby's rattle
08:18.13GuerinCutMeOwnThroat: yeah, well, it was from a low base.
08:18.25lxsameerenouf: how can i change the cpu freq with cpu-freq-utils
08:18.27CutMeOwnThroatyou like... totally went for it :)
08:18.45pdflatexuserGuerin: binary compatibility is not the only kind of compatibility
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08:19.04Guerini'm waiting for deb to put the bub to bed so I can make dinner. GOt some time to kill.
08:19.20Guerinpdflatexuser: it's a necessary, but not a sufficient condition.
08:19.31pdflatexuserGuerin: no
08:19.40CutMeOwnThroatyou married ians ex?
08:19.42Guerinpdflatexuser: is too
08:19.52simonrvnGuerin: *blink*. i hate saying the phrase, but "intellectual property rights" would be a /potentially/ constructive usage here. i'm quite aware of the implications of that...
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08:20.11Guerinsimonrvn: i'm currently struggling with that internal debate.
08:20.13pdflatexuserDepends on how you pronounce "Linux"
08:20.29enouflxsameer: cpufreq --help ? man cpufreq{d} ? dpkg -L cpufreq-utils | grep doc ? http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/cpu* ?
08:20.39CutMeOwnThroatI pronounce it shaddupalready
08:20.45simonrvnGuerin: yeh, it's a toughie.
08:21.19firefoxwell even though Linus  says its leen .. he's  not english so I say line!
08:21.48pdflatexuserfirefox: people from Texas usually say LINE-oox
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08:22.00firefoxTexas is a great state to
08:22.13firefoxyeeehaw
08:22.49simonrvnif you listen to english.au he says "Lin-ux" short i, short u
08:23.36Guerinlee-nucks
08:23.41CutMeOwnThroatmay I mention that this was just a more subtle way of trolling/insulting?
08:23.50cousin_luigiso, is lenny final out?
08:23.52cousin_luigi:)
08:23.55Guerinbut i say linnucks
08:24.08CutMeOwnThroatcousin_luigi, http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
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08:24.23firefoxcousin: /topic to
08:24.27Guerin!topicbadger cousin_luigi
08:24.27dpkg/topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that cousin_luigi didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic...
08:24.29Ip_Manëèíóêñ
08:24.51cousin_luigithanks!
08:24.52cousin_luigi:)
08:26.07thimsanyone have any idea what could cause a debian etch system that lets you retry a login twice, but if you fail the first time, and get the second attempt right, it still wont authenticate you
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08:27.17CutMeOwnThroathow do you know you got the 2nd attempt right
08:27.20simonrvnGuerin: dunno if you thought of this one, but going for 'trademarks' or 'IP', one gets sucked into settler society's ways, and we know where that's gotten humans. but, HTF do we protect ourselves from vampires like corporations like that?
08:27.23pdflatexuserWhat makes you say that Debian is better than Ubuntu? They are both great operating systems (I suppose), Ubuntu is just more user-friendly, while Debian makes you spend a lot of time tweaking getting basic functionality going
08:27.29simonrvnok, enough OT in here
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08:28.05Guerinsimonrvn: exactly my thoughts. I've been planning on writing on this very issue.
08:28.08enoufthims: the 2nd attempt wasn't right either
08:28.18thimsCutMeOwnThroat: I attempt to login using the correct password, on the first attempt it allows me to login, then I exit and try again intentially failing the first attempt, then entering correct password the second time and it fails
08:28.26thimsI have done this roughly 10 times now to ensure it isnt me
08:28.37enoufit's you
08:28.43thimssmacks enouf
08:28.47enouf!u
08:28.48dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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08:29.09CutMeOwnThroatsmacks enoyouf
08:29.30nsadminthere';s a ubie here?
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08:30.03geophoenixis waiting ?p?µ??et??a
08:30.04Harl0tsup guys ;)
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08:30.36Harl0tn e bod-e lookin 4 a date?
08:30.38CutMeOwnThroatthims, console? it might still have some key in the buffer...
08:30.51nsadminanother ubie :P
08:30.52pdflatexuserI've used Debian before, but I switched. Now I came here to help you see the light too (BTW, test me on my Debian knowledge - I know more than any of you)
08:30.59Harl0till buffer ur key bb
08:31.29CutMeOwnThroat!friday
08:31.29dpkgi guess friday is tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! !
08:31.38cousin_luigi:O
08:31.51CutMeOwnThroatbut... it's already over
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08:32.41matmoMorning all. What is the solution to packaging files intended for a fat32 formatted flash? I get install error setting ownership on the flash.
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08:33.18pdflatexuser!win ubuntu
08:33.18dpkgCongratulations, ubuntu! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
08:33.27enoufmatmo: there is no ownership on fat32
08:33.34enoufor any fatty
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08:33.57matmoenouf: I know, that's why I am asking. I want the package to install data to the flash
08:34.12CutMeOwnThroatmatmo, doesn't it?
08:34.17matmono
08:34.38enoufharl0t u luv me lung time?
08:34.40matmo"error setting ownership of ..."
08:34.45CutMeOwnThroatwell, so?
08:34.52omryhi. something strange happened with one of my boxes. used to be able to login without a password using authorized_keys, but it no longer work for some reason. tried to re-generate the key and update the authorized_keys but still no luck. same procedure used to work. any idea what can cause this?
08:34.52CutMeOwnThroatthat doesn't say it doesn't copy it
08:35.08omrymorning CutMeOwnThroat
08:35.10matmoCutMeOwnThroat: I checked, nothing got installed
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08:35.33matmobut I can tell that the postinst ran
08:35.37CutMeOwnThroatmatmo, dpkg --force-help
08:35.44CutMeOwnThroatI guess
08:35.47enoufmatmo: you don't install .debs onto fat
08:35.51CutMeOwnThroateve, omry
08:36.06matmoCutMeOwnThroat: I will check that
08:36.14nsadminmust lose weight, then you can install debs
08:36.22enoufand you NEVER need dpkg --force
08:36.48CutMeOwnThroatyou need it if you want to do real weird stuff :)
08:37.04matmoenouf: there are data files that I want to go direct to flash while prog goes to main volume
08:37.10nsadminwhat about fake weird stuff?
08:37.17enoufdata files are not .debs
08:37.41matmoenouf: no, but they are packaged with the app
08:37.43CutMeOwnThroatomry, private key world-(or group)readable?
08:38.00enoufjust format the fucken piece of fucken shit into a linux friendly filesystem
08:38.14CutMeOwnThroatenouf, really? what about umq-voice?
08:38.18enoufor chown the /mnt/point
08:38.26enouflike a good wintendos weenie
08:38.45arezey*looks at backlog* does #debian always get this... chaotic every day a release is "supposed" to come out?
08:38.54nsadminhaving to force dpkg is an indication that what you're doing might not work
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08:39.40nsadminarezey: you ain't seen nuthin yet
08:39.52nsadminwait till they release lenny
08:40.04arezeyookies
08:40.23omryCutMeOwnThroat, id_dsa is not readable by anyone buy owner (root)
08:40.45CutMeOwnThroatis thit for the user root?
08:40.45simonrvns/buy/by/
08:40.46arezeyhow fast will #debian be notified when it does come out?
08:40.52omryCutMeOwnThroat, yes.
08:41.59CutMeOwnThroatomry, I don't allow root to ssh in
08:42.05CutMeOwnThroatomry, perhaps that's default now
08:42.14simonrvnarezey: this isn't an official channel. that said, many here keep track of that sort of thing here.
08:42.23omryCutMeOwnThroat, tested ssh config. let me ssh root in to verify.
08:42.31arezeyright...
08:42.38CutMeOwnThroatomry, check for AllowRootLogin or wossname
08:42.48arezeyi take that as "as soon as somebody finds out"
08:42.52omryCutMeOwnThroat, I can ssh in as root.
08:42.58omry(providing a password)
08:43.07CutMeOwnThroatarezey, 20 minutes after the website spits it out
08:43.20CutMeOwnThroatarezey, http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
08:43.24arezeythought something like that
08:44.06tarzeauis it out already?
08:44.32arezeyno
08:45.41simonrvn08:45:34 (UTC+0000)
08:45.48simonrvnnow stop asking
08:45.57arezeyheh
08:46.11CutMeOwnThroatwhile true; sleep 2; echo is it out already; done
08:46.21simonrvnhehe
08:46.24arezeyheh
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08:48.34omryCutMeOwnThroat, got it. I managed to mess up the permissions on /root using a rsync -a
08:48.38omryit had group write.
08:48.45simonrvnwah
08:49.17jairI am trying to build a usb pendrive with debian etch 40r7 but there is a file I can not find on the ftp servers "syslinux.cfg"
08:49.30jairwhere I suppouse to find that configuration file?
08:49.56simonrvn!find syslinux.cfg
08:50.41dpkgDebian Search of 'syslinux.cfg' (3): (/etc/bootcd/syslinux.cfg) in utils/bootcd-i386 ;; (/usr/lib/mkrboot/syslinux/syslinux.cfg) in admin/mkrboot ;; (/usr/share/live-helper/templates.debian/syslinux/common/syslinux.cfg) in misc/live-helper.
08:50.59jairsimonrvn: thank you very much
08:51.10simonrvnyou could have done that yourself ;)
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08:51.22jairright :)
08:51.50CutMeOwnThroatjair, you might still /msg dpkg search or /msg dpkg apt-file
08:52.07enoufand/or see syslinux.zytor.com
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08:53.34jairCutMeOwnThroat: Thank you very much
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08:54.30DevilChaoshi folks can someone tell me either the correct linux-image.deb or how to get my 64bit kernel to pick up 4 gb of ram olso do i need to tweak my bios? i cant seem to find big mem tag through dselect search for linux image
08:54.52enouf!bigmem
08:54.52dpkg-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram.  If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit.
08:55.09enoufCONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y
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08:55.20enoufer ... nm
08:55.34enoufyour 64bit kernel isn't 64bit
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08:55.52DevilChaoswhy?
08:55.56DevilChaoslol
08:56.02enoufand/or enable Memory remap I/O hole in BIOS
08:56.26DevilChaoswhy isnt it 64bit?
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08:56.41enoufbecause 64bit kernels don't have a 4G issue
08:56.54DevilChaosah
08:57.07DevilChaosok so it should be down to my bios then
08:57.44DevilChaosim currently running 2.6.18-6-amd64
08:58.03CutMeOwnThroatwe could make some new bets...
08:58.55CutMeOwnThroateven if everything goes really well and according to plan, lenny won't release before midnight to Sunday UTC.... how often will someone ask in here if it already released until now?
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08:59.13CutMeOwnThroatI'd say... 150
08:59.40nsadminwhich debian kernel (from any dist) can do xen dom0?
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09:00.04leviathanhi folks
09:00.05nsadminthe lastest I thought was 2.6.18
09:00.07enoufs/dist/arch ?
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09:00.16enouf.26 can
09:00.21nsadminno, i386 only
09:00.28enoufso wtf with
09:00.32DevilChaosenouf config_highmem64 in the kernel config?
09:00.35enouf"any dist" ?
09:00.36nsadminit can? howbout .28?
09:00.51enoufDevilChaos: only in 32bit kernels
09:00.52nsadminsid or lenny or etch
09:01.02enoufsure - why not
09:01.18enoufthat's not a dist, but a release, or version
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09:01.51DevilChaosmight i add that i hate ubuntu
09:01.59DevilChaosthats a dist and a half
09:02.01DevilChaoslol
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09:07.51matmoCutMeOwnThroat: re dpkg --force, is there anything that can be done before building the package? Is ownership always set during install?
09:08.25FersureDevilChaos: ubuntu server is nice imo.
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09:09.21xinguis there a debian specific way to manipulate /etc/mime.types?
09:10.03Ip_Manin what group should i add my user so i could configure my network settings, for exemple to execute ifconfig
09:10.05Ip_Man?
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09:10.33Ip_Mannetdev?
09:10.35CutMeOwnThroatmatmo, see it as a property of the filesystem... they're essentially tarfiles that preserve owner/permission
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09:12.36geophoenixslaps geophoenix and starts getting carried away
09:13.01CutMeOwnThroatslaps geophoenix with enthusiasm
09:13.02matmoCutMeOwnThroat: ok, but will owner/permissions be set if they are already what they need to be? IOW does the installer/tar blindly attempt to set them without checking?
09:13.14geophoenix:P
09:13.22DevilChaosIp_Man you should be in network group added as normal user and config through root
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09:14.40CutMeOwnThroatmatmo, well, try it - but I'd say it does... it's not the installer, it's tar, really (I don't think someone bothered to rewrite tar into dpkg - well, maybe someone did) - for root preserving owner is default ... well, look in the tar manpage
09:15.24CutMeOwnThroatmatmo, perhaps you should tell what you're really trying to do... seems to me you try to work against the universe
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09:15.45Ip_ManDevilChaos, gpasswd says there is no such group
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09:16.31spaceninjaI heard lenny will be relead today, on valentine's day
09:16.38DevilChaosok what is it exactly you are trying to do as i suspect your network is configured somewhat if you are on here
09:16.42DevilChaos?
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09:17.01spaceninjatrue?
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09:17.13Ip_Manuhm, i simply do dhclient as root
09:17.43Ip_Manthats how i'm here )
09:18.22DevilChaosem kde or gnome?
09:18.36Ip_Mankde
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09:18.41CutMeOwnThroatspaceninja, http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
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09:19.02Ip_Manthere is no network group in group list, when i look it thrugh kuser
09:19.20CutMeOwnThroatspaceninja, and yes
09:19.22DevilChaosi take it you want to set static ip address and the like dhcp shoulp assign you an ip aswell as hook onto ur router on modem
09:19.33co_laparwhere i can download rsvp for kernel 2.6?
09:19.36xoz_!tell spaceninja -about wwlr
09:19.41CutMeOwnThroatbah
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09:19.59Ip_Mani want to down and up my network interfaces for example
09:20.03Ip_Manas normal user
09:20.18CutMeOwnThroatuh, I'm hearing a french song on austrian radion while being in the US
09:20.27co_laparwhere i can download rsvp for kernel 2.6?
09:20.28CutMeOwnThroatis confused
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09:20.49geophoenixis better to download from bittorrent the new release or ftp ?
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09:21.22enoufxingu: i don't know - but it would appear that /etc/mailcap might also be of interest, and perhaps these files listed http://rafb.net/p/FVOu0B78.html
09:21.26DevilChaosIp_Man go to control-center in kde, internet & network settings and enter admin mode for root to config
09:21.37spaceninjaCutMeOwnThroat: ok thx
09:21.38co_lapargeophoenix : thanks
09:21.40Ip_Manhuh
09:21.47Ip_Manit takes even longer as sudo
09:21.51Ip_Man(:
09:22.06Ip_Mani just want to configure my network as normal user
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09:22.42geophoenixthanks ? what ?
09:22.42DevilChaosyes that is doing it as normal user you cant just simply do it and not become root to change the conf file
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09:22.51geophoenixi just asked a question
09:23.10xoz_geophoenix: bittorrent is faster
09:23.16Ip_Manu say its impossible? )
09:23.18geophoenixthanks
09:23.35enoufxingu: i also found update-mime and update-mime-database manpages
09:23.44Ip_Manmy english is bad, but i guess u want to say it is impossible :}
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09:24.08DevilChaosnothing is impossible with debian
09:24.09co_lapargeophoenix : can i instal kernel 2.4.19 to procesor amd athlon xp
09:24.11co_lapargeophoenix : can i instal kernel 2.4.19 to procesor amd athlon xp?
09:24.51DevilChaospossibility's are endless
09:25.13co_lapargeophoenix : can i instal kernel 2.4.19 to procesor amd athlon xp, how about debian 3
09:25.19co_lapargeophoenix : can i instal kernel 2.4.19 to procesor amd athlon xp, how about debian 3?
09:25.34geophoenixwhy do you ask me ?
09:25.34CutMeOwnThroat!echo
09:25.34dpkgECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o.......
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09:25.57co_laparSOMEBODY PLEASE : can i instal kernel 2.4.19 to procesor amd athlon xp, how about debian 3?
09:26.06DevilChaos!ask
09:26.06dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:26.06geophoenixnow its better :P
09:26.07Ip_Mani can't execute ifconfig as norman user, because /sbin is not in PATH env var
09:26.08enoufIp_Man: all you need to execute ifconfig is full path - to make changes you need privs
09:26.11Guerinco_lapar: welcome to 2009.
09:26.12Ip_Man:>
09:26.14Ip_Mani c
09:26.22Ip_Manalready noticed that
09:26.28enoufIp_Man: add /sbin to your PATH then
09:26.31Ip_Mani'm new to linux
09:26.46Ip_Manso i have no idea how ))
09:26.49CutMeOwnThroatI'm lew to ninux
09:27.04DevilChaos:)
09:27.36matmoCutMeOwnThroat: accept chat?
09:27.43enoufright - so go learn about possible implications - and learn how to do it - export PATH="$PATH:/sbin" for temporary
09:27.50CutMeOwnThroatI'm tired
09:27.56CutMeOwnThroatI'll hug my bed now
09:28.25DevilChaosIp_Man i suggest you go here for some how-tos in the case http:www.debian.org
09:28.26Ip_Manthx, i'm learning hard ._.
09:28.39Ip_Manreading debian wiki and howtos
09:28.41Ip_Man))
09:28.45DevilChaos<PROTECTED>
09:28.49enoufIp_Man: add your user to these groups as well (adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev saned powerdev) - use id -a to see info
09:28.50geophoenix:)
09:28.55DevilChaoscool cool
09:28.58Ip_Manalready added
09:29.02dihymo_http.us.debian.org is an IIS/6.0 server wtf?
09:29.02enoufIp_Man: or just 'groups'
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09:29.14Ip_Mani already know how to do that
09:29.15Ip_Manthx
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09:31.33Cope57http://share.foxmarks.com/folder/bookmarks/P4ZmkJFO4t
09:31.37Cope57:-D
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09:32.05Ip_Manhttp://img13.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/2/e/b/1/c/2eb1c1dbbe9c9e01c213039a52fb5f5c_full.jpg
09:32.16Cope57Just a few of many.
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09:33.46ferret_0567when using GNU Screen inside a xterm (xfce4-terminal), backspace does not work
09:34.22ferret_0567nvm
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09:34.24ferret_0567I fixed it
09:34.27enoufco_lapar: you should be using a 2.6.18 kernel or newer, and you can use a -686 version if you have a k7 CPU/Processor, otherwise use the -486 version
09:35.16enouf!fix ferret_0567
09:35.16dpkgtakes ferret_0567 to the vet for a "special" visit.
09:35.35ferret_0567enouf: why did you fix me?
09:35.49enoufferret_0567: dpkg did it ;-)
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09:36.18ferret_0567enouf: you told him to do it!
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09:38.09Cope57http://www.valentinejoys.com/funny_pictures/valentines_day_funny_02.jpg
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09:38.56ferret_0567enouf: why did you tell him to do it?
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09:41.09geophoenixR.I.P. cute little bear :'|
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09:42.16darkk^Does anyone know if 12 UTC from http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable means 12 AM or 12 PM ?
09:42.53Cope5712 is right before 1300
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09:43.06darkk^thanks!
09:43.25Cope5712 would be PM
09:43.43Cope5700 = AM or 0000
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09:46.18nsadminOO is AM, what's fm?
09:46.54Cope57Frequency Modulation
09:46.54geophoenixlol
09:47.01DevilChaoshe he
09:47.01nightglider28hehe
09:47.20nsadminyou mean...
09:47.30nsadminI can't get FM on my clock!??!
09:47.37geophoenixLOL
09:47.40DevilChaosheh
09:47.54DevilChaosonly if it has built in radeo
09:48.09Cope57You could if it was a clock radio
09:48.17nsadminthat's where they rope the cows? at the radeo?
09:48.19enoufAmplitude Modulates down all the needless chat
09:48.43DevilChaospossibly my spelling is terrible
09:48.59Cope57Somebody needs a nap real bad...
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09:50.08geophoenixslaps is boss
09:50.16geophoenix*his
09:50.36geophoenixi hate my boss
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09:55.20vaqIn what package is snmpwalk in?
09:55.36enouf!search
09:55.36dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'.  Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'.  Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here.  '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>.  See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help>
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10:02.49nsadminapt-get install dhcp3-server
10:02.52nsadminoops
10:04.14geophoenixE:couldn't find package
10:04.18geophoenixxD
10:04.24Cope57I never heard of it.
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10:05.38Cope57Neither has Debian http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=snmpwalk&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
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10:07.21jintxoCope57, if you're looking for snmpwalk, it would be in the "snmp" suite of programs I think
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10:14.47xinguenouf: ta, seems that editting it directly is still the go
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10:20.03enoufxingu: \o/
10:20.33rattleheadhello
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10:21.54rattleheadI changed my kernel to one marked as amd64. Now, is it x86 or x86_64? I feel lost about that.
10:22.31ferret_0567rattlehead: I believe it is amd64, try uname -m
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10:22.33xandamd64 is x86_64
10:22.59rattleheadxand: thanks
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10:25.21rattlehead!help
10:25.38liabledebhelper isnt a help bot
10:25.44rattleheadoh, I see
10:25.45liableyou want dpkg
10:25.46xavieranI need a small battery charge and wireless connection charge monitor for lxpanel... any ideas?
10:26.32liablexavieran: lxde supplies a battery monitor and wireless manager (the wireless manager is a little bit crap though)
10:26.37rattleheadnope, I've read at some forum that there is an issue with ATi drivers with amd64.
10:26.46xavieranliable: It does ? I will check it out then...
10:27.13liablexavieran: adding stuff to the panel isnt as intuitive as you think, it had me stumped for a bit
10:27.33rattleheadI've never installed ATi drivers before, so I wanted to check that as I want to avoid troubles.
10:27.53xavieranSo it does :D Silly me...
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10:30.19xavieranCan mplayer play dvd's if I install libdvd* ?
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10:31.21Alcatroscan somebody give me a good link to a guide how i get to the next distro level ... i currently got etch and want to upgrade it..
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10:31.52arezeyalcatros, lenny might be released today.
10:32.24enouf!tias xavieran
10:32.25Alcatrosseems i'am lucky... so is there a command i can type in ? to upgrade it ?
10:32.37xavieranenouf: ?
10:32.43enouf!tias
10:32.43dpkghmm... tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first
10:32.49xavieranOh
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10:33.13xavieranI just hate to waste bandwidth to download things...
10:33.19arezeyalcatros, well, edit /etc/sources.list and change all etch/stable:s into lenny. then do sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
10:33.29arezeythen reboot
10:33.36dokmaand pray :)
10:33.41arezeyindeed
10:35.40Alcatrosarezey: is the lenny one stable ?
10:35.44arezeynot yet
10:35.53arezeyin literal means... but it works for me
10:35.56enoufxavieran: the dmm mplayer plays DVDs just fine here
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10:36.42xavieranok enouf thanks
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10:37.11boodieHi; any news about lenny?
10:37.18arezeyperhaps coming out today
10:37.32boodieso I've heard
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10:38.28Cope57I pay no attention, my sources.lst has been "testing" since Etch was testing
10:38.54olimpicoHello, I have a question about priviledges, I'm using a ReadyNAS which runs a Debian Sarge. I created a new user and the problem is that every time this new user creates a file, directory or anything, this will be created as read only, even for this same user.
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10:39.05arezeyalcatros, sorry; /etc/apt/sources.list, not /etc/sources.list
10:39.14arezey<PROTECTED>
10:39.21arezeyno wait, sources.list...
10:39.26enouf.list
10:39.29arezeywonders what's wrong with him today
10:39.30enoufyep
10:39.37boodieso .. I'm the eternal newbie ... to hop onto lenny ... 1) update the sources.list 2) apt-get dist-update , or something similar?
10:39.49enoufmenu.lst has to be difficult about it :-p
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10:39.57arezeyheh
10:40.00olimpicoCan someone help me by telling me how can I configure the users priviledges, so that files created will be rw, at least for this same user?
10:40.14avuarezey, (also, the the steps to upgrade to lenny you outlined are wrong)
10:40.22avuboodie, /msg dpkg etch->lenny
10:40.24arezeydang. what was wrong?
10:40.37enoufwasn't paying attention
10:40.41arezeyaha...
10:40.42avuarezey, /msg dpkg etch->lenny and/or read the release notes
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10:40.49arezeyjust did
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10:41.04arezeyfiles that
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10:42.17enouf!tell olimpico -about permissions
10:43.14olimpicoenouf: ???
10:44.11arezeyolimpico, read dpkg's message.
10:44.11enoufolimpico: look in your irc client
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10:44.32enouf's other windows for a PM from dpkg, the channel bot
10:44.45enoufolimpico: /msg dpkg permissions
10:44.47Sal9000so, is debian 5.0 still on schedule for this weekend?:)
10:45.11arezeyfor today, hopefully
10:45.26Sal9000sweet
10:45.31olimpicoenouf: OK, thanks, I'll get to read then
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10:46.59enoufolimpico: your FS isn't mounted ro, otherwise you wouldn't be able to 'touch filename' (or 'mkdir dirname') to create files/dirs, so make sure your User is in the correct 'groups' also
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10:47.39enoufolimpico: the other important (per user) setting is their umask ...
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10:48.15Alcatroswhen i have changed all the etch to lenny in my sources list :-) i can just game apt-get upgrade?
10:48.19olimpicoenouf: the problem is that the ReadyNAS is a modified debian, and there are no groups
10:48.30olimpicoenouf: that's why I'm having the problems
10:48.35avu!tell Alcatros about etch->lenny
10:48.52enoufolimpico: dirs are 0777, files are 0666 by default when created - Debian adduser/useradd creates users with a 0022 umask via default - now, do some math
10:49.03enoufand you end up with files as 0644
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10:49.25enoufolimpico: i have no idea what a ReadyNAS is
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10:49.51olimpicoenouf: But with my new user this doesn't apply,
10:49.51zak_<PROTECTED>
10:49.52enoufolimpico: can you edit /etc/profile ? see the umask line in there?
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10:50.12avuolimpico, well, if you're not using Debian, you're porbably in the wrong channel with your questions?
10:50.13olimpicoenouf: I'm getting read only files
10:50.16enoufolimpico: how about within all your .bash* files?
10:50.37olimpicoavu: ReadyNAS uses Debian SARGE!!!
10:50.48avuolimpico, although I really think that you're wrong about there being now groups. that would require quite the heavy modifications in the kernel with very little gain
10:51.02geophoenixwhere can i see the time for lenny release ?
10:51.06avuolimpico, well, you just said it's a "modified debian" which means "not debian"
10:51.10geophoenixif there anywhere
10:51.28avugeophoenix, http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
10:51.39olimpicoavu: I'm assuming it is modified, since in normal debian, when you create a new user this doesn't happen
10:51.49geophoenixthanks
10:52.18olimpicoavu: And since it runs completely in ROM, I assume they made it much smaller
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10:53.54olimpicoavu: If it disturbs you that I'm asking about a modified debian SARGE, then just ignore me, enouf is very kindly trying to help me. My intention is not to disturb anyone, just to get some ideas on how to solve the problem
10:54.18arezeysince when was sarge an acronym?
10:54.21enoufit's ok .. let's move on
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10:55.02FSWolfhi quick question for the room i have a AMD64 Bit debian install and i want to run 32 aplications what do i need to install here
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10:55.12enoufi have really nothing more to try and help with, without getting really intense about what you have there  - and i'm already tired :-p
10:55.12FSWolf??
10:55.16nsadminseemingly aggregarious red garnished eggplant
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10:55.43enouf!ia32-libs
10:55.49enoufer ..
10:55.52FSWolfokie dokie one sec
10:56.03olimpicoenouf: thanks a lot any way!! I'll read the documentation you sent me
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10:56.22FSWolfmmm any thing else ?
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10:57.04enoufFSWolf: please don't pm me = no need
10:57.25FSWolfokie dokie sorry
10:57.51enoufplus it's poor netiquette ... in general, to just pm somone without asking - ok - no worries
10:57.57FSWolfmmm that doesnt seem to be enough
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10:58.30FSWolfthe ia32 bit package enough wont let me run this :?
10:58.46enouf!cannot create executables
10:58.46dpkgit has been said that cannot create executables is The error "C compiler cannot create executables" means you need to install build-essential. If you're using the AMD64 port, you may also need to install ia32-libs, ia32-libs-dev, libc6-dev and libc6-dev-i386 .. also check that your versions of gcc, g++, and libc6 are the latest.
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10:59.08FSWolfok thanks let me check these
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10:59.34enoufer .. you could also install a chroot setup - FSWolf , the -dev pkgs are build headers for building stuff
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11:00.59FSWolfinteresting idea enouf :?
11:02.07FSWolfthanks dpkg
11:02.08FSWolf:)
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11:02.39arezeyfswolf, btw you thank dpkg with !thanks :P
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11:02.56FSWolfiv installed those 32 bit libarys any others i might need u can think of?
11:03.00FSWolflol is that a bot XD
11:03.03FSWolf!thanks
11:03.03dpkgpas de quoi, FSWolf
11:03.04arezeysure
11:03.10FSWolfhehe
11:03.14arezeywhat did you think? :P
11:03.22FSWolfbeats me first time on this channel
11:03.25enoufFSWolf: you could /msg dpkg debootstrap  ... but there's also a guide on alioth.debian.org about it all , might be a bit dated now
11:03.25arezey:)
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11:04.19enoufFSWolf: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html
11:04.47FSWolfthanks agian enouf :))
11:05.02enoufLast Modified: $Id: debian-amd64-howto.xml,v 1.72 2006/09/24   eek
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11:05.35enoufFSWolf: wiki.debian.org and debian-administration.org - two more very useful sites
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11:07.06khaleel5000ah come on I think even according to UTC its feb 14th so WWLR !
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11:08.42Desaster_JojoHey
11:08.45khaije1what is the gui firewall/network manager of choice for complex situations?
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11:09.46beardyA gui isn't.
11:09.55beardyLook at firehol.
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11:11.36p0g0also look at shorewall
11:12.25khaije1i'm looking for something that will assist in managing multiple tap and tun devices as well, are these suitable for that purpose?
11:12.57mc68040if you something with a gui look at fwbuilder
11:13.15cousin_luigikhaije1: I suggest iptables
11:13.28khaije1can iptables manage tap and tuns?
11:13.40p0g0khaije1: shorewall does
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11:13.54beardyNo, your /etc/network/interfaces does that. You need to learn to read, and write, and use an editor.
11:13.57beardy!interfaces
11:13.57dpkgYour network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example).  Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively.  See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS.  Also ask me about <static route>.
11:14.23khaije1i probably mischaracterized my problem by saying it's a firewall thing, it's really more of a net-device management  problem
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11:17.00FSWolfmmm darn
11:17.08FSWolfstill not able to open the second life client XD
11:17.13p0g0khaije1: I suggest you start reading, but shorewall is just a set of scripts to manage iptables/netfilters-it is uniform across most linii, and has excellant control of interfaces, intitializations, managing other processes, and a good model for abstracting network design.
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11:18.23FSWolfbut ihave the 32 bit librarys :???
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11:21.13JdGordonis there any point waiting for lenny to go stable before installing? or do i just get the testing installcd and it will be the same thing anyway?
11:22.43Cope57Short answer... yes\
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11:23.10Desaster_Jojoyou can download the testing .iso - i'm running on lenny for 3 months without any problems etc
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11:23.51Cope57I have been running testing since Etch was testing, so it constantly is a rolling release.
11:23.51Desaster_Jojoin my opionion is lenny stable enough to run on desktop pcs
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11:24.38icebrainDesaster_Jojo: Lenny is already at deep freeze, so is as good as stable
11:24.52icebrainand we know stable doesn't mislead anyone :P
11:24.53Desaster_Jojowhen will lenny release? i heard something about today, but i cant believe it
11:25.03Cope57http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html
11:25.19Desaster_Jojo^^
11:25.59Desaster_Jojosee u l8r
11:26.04icebrain!lenny status
11:26.04dpkgBarring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>
11:26.19Desaster_Jojothx
11:26.29Desaster_Jojound dont forget: never change a running system :D
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11:26.37khaije1beardy: p0g0: you're both right, i need to start reading
11:27.04khaije1i'm just worried about the level of compounding complexity in the environment i'll be managing
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11:27.21tenehawkcan anyone help me with a xen problem i'm having?
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11:29.05Cope57http://www.howtoforge.com/howtos/linux/debian ;)
11:29.23Cope57Actually I never used it, so I had to look around.
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11:29.55tenehawklol yea, i'm getting a weird error
11:29.55tenehawk/disk.img is loopback-mounted through /dev/loop0,
11:29.55tenehawkwhich is mounted in the privileged domain,
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11:32.41sackyhello
11:32.47khaije1p0g0: oh wow! i'd forgotten shorewall had all these features... i think this is exactly what i'm looking for, thanks!
11:32.51sackyi have a problem with nfs
11:33.08sackymy client says RPC Error: Program not registered
11:33.57sackyi checked hosts.allow, hosts.deny and so on. daemon.log on my server says unauthorized client
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11:34.21sackyAny idea what i can do
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11:35.21sackyPortmap on server is version 6.0-5
11:35.39sackyand on client 6.0-9
11:35.48sackycould that be my problem?
11:35.54mc68040sacky: check /etc/exports on the server
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11:36.17sackyrpcinfo -p server says no registered program
11:36.32CutMeOwnThroatdo you allow them to access the portmapper?
11:36.40tenehawkhttp://pastebin.com/m6361a119
11:36.40sackyso why checking the exports file? That must be another problem
11:36.44tenehawkcan anyone help me with that?
11:36.57sackyportmap : 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 : allow
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11:37.13sackyin /etc/hosts.allow. Do you mean that?
11:37.27CutMeOwnThroatyes
11:37.47CutMeOwnThroatdid you restart all those services?
11:37.51CutMeOwnThroatwell, portmapper
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11:38.34sackyyes, several times. And i restarted the complete system too
11:38.43nsadminhow do hosts.allow/deny work? what reads those files?
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11:38.54tenehawkdoes anyone here know anything about XEN?  I need to get it up and running for a class project
11:38.58mc68040sacky: you said "my server says unauthorized client" ans that should be handled by /etc/exports on the server
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11:39.16sackyXen is fine. But you can also use virtual box, it is easier
11:39.21mc68040i assume that already comes from the nfsd
11:39.24CutMeOwnThroatmmm
11:39.35tenehawksacky: Have to use XEN for the class assignment
11:39.41CutMeOwnThroatsacky, anything in hosts.deny?
11:39.41tenehawkit was the project assigned to me
11:39.42sackyyes, but rpcinfo -p server should work?
11:39.44CutMeOwnThroathm
11:39.46sackyno
11:39.47nsadmintenehawk: it has a hypervisor which boots the first OS, called the dom0 or supervisory os
11:39.52avutenehawk, well, the error message is quite clear?
11:39.55CutMeOwnThroatalthough... allow should have precedence
11:39.56sackyXen for what?
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11:40.08nsadminthen you build and start domU (guest OSes) from the dom0
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11:40.34tenehawki'm just not understanding what i'm missing...
11:40.48avutenehawk, read the error. you have the disk image mounted in dom0
11:40.59CutMeOwnThroatsacky, netstat -an |grep 0:111 ?
11:40.59tenehawkso how do I not mount it in dom0?
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11:41.15avutenehawk, you don't.
11:41.22avutenehawk, again. read the error :)
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11:41.35sackyIt is listing on all devices
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11:41.48avutenehawk, just unmount it
11:41.51CutMeOwnThroat0 0.0.0.0:111?
11:41.57sackyyep
11:42.05CutMeOwnThroathm
11:42.07CutMeOwnThroatfirewall?
11:42.16tenehawkunmount what? the directory the image is stored in?
11:42.17sackyPolicy( Allow )
11:42.24tenehawkaka /VM
11:42.25tenehawk?
11:42.34avutenehawk, no, the image itself
11:42.34sackyAccept i mean
11:42.45tenehawkhow do i unmount the image... sorry lol
11:43.13whooperdootenehawk: umount -path-
11:43.13CutMeOwnThroatno rules with iptables-save?
11:43.14CutMeOwnThroathm
11:43.37CutMeOwnThroatbut rpcinfo -p localhost still fails...
11:43.48sackyare there any reason why client could be unouthorized? No, that works
11:43.52CutMeOwnThroator rpcinfo -p hostname ON localhost
11:44.01CutMeOwnThroatworks with localhost?
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11:44.21avusacky, are both the client and server debian? no OSX involved by any chance?
11:44.21tenehawkStill the same error after trying to start it
11:44.33tenehawkthoth:~# umount /VM/xen/domains/ra/disk.img
11:44.35avutenehawk, well, then you probably havent' undmounted the image
11:44.47sackyboth debian, yes.
11:44.50avutenehawk, type 'mount'
11:44.57avutenehawk, to see what's mounted where
11:45.10tenehawk/VM/xen/domains/ra/disk.img on /tmp/isD3RqLhLY type ext3 (rw,loop=/dev/loop0)
11:45.11CutMeOwnThroatsacky?
11:45.21avutenehawk, there you go. unmount that.
11:45.29sackyyes, i use debian on both machines
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11:45.51enouftenehawk: yes, you umount the dir/ it's mounted on/in
11:45.56tenehawkaight, it worked... sorry for the stupid question lol i was just like "huh"
11:45.56CutMeOwnThroatno... was "no that works" for rpcinfo -p localhost?
11:46.12sackyrpcinfo -p works on server
11:46.20avusacky, no idea then, sorry. just sounded like a problem I once had with OSX NFS clients
11:46.27CutMeOwnThroatyou should of said!
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11:46.58sackyI think there is a authorization problem. Are there any files rather than /etc/hosts.*
11:47.08whooperdootenehawk: its ok now?
11:48.06CutMeOwnThroatmm
11:48.20CutMeOwnThroatyou could add the exact IP instead of a mask in hosts.allow
11:48.29CutMeOwnThroatalthough that should be fine
11:48.33mc68040sacky: if rpcinfo is ok on the server, whats the output of showmount -e
11:48.52CutMeOwnThroathe should be able to do rpcinfo remotely as well
11:49.02CutMeOwnThroatcan't mount if the remote host can't access portmapper
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11:49.07sackyit shows the mounts
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11:49.23tenehawkwhooperdoo: yes, it started up
11:49.23CutMeOwnThroatso it doesn't matter (yet) what it shows
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11:49.29sackyright
11:49.30tenehawkbut now apparently i can't connect to it
11:49.31tenehawklol
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11:49.35tenehawk(no ssh)
11:49.49CutMeOwnThroatwell
11:50.06enoufshould you be trying some netbios things? nmbd and such? how about exportfs info - but "Program not Registered" ?  sounds like a EULA issue :-P
11:50.07CutMeOwnThroattelnet host 111?
11:50.28CutMeOwnThroatno, that's stupid - I don't know how that'd look like if it's not allowed
11:50.35avutenehawk, try xm console
11:50.44CutMeOwnThroatbut what I wonder is... is it really the correct host...
11:50.46sackytelnet works
11:50.58CutMeOwnThroatwe ruled out all the usual things, so it's probably someting pretty stupid
11:51.04avutenehawk, and see if the networkin the new domU is perperly set up
11:51.08avuproperly even
11:51.12tenehawkNope, no telnet
11:51.22CutMeOwnThroatsacky, you mean you get Escape character is '^]'.?
11:51.24tenehawknetworking is set to grab an IP via DHCP
11:51.28avutenehawk, not telnet
11:51.33avutenehawk, xm console
11:51.40sackymhh, yes
11:51.43avutenehawk, that doesn't need networking on the domU
11:52.00CutMeOwnThroatsacky, well, then it must be portmapper refusing the information
11:52.30tenehawkNice, it's hanging during boot
11:53.00sackyI will try to reinstall it
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11:53.20tenehawkhttp://pastebin.com/mef3cd04
11:54.07CutMeOwnThroatsacky, set a single ip instead of the netmask in host.allow
11:54.10avutenehawk, well, have you tried pressing return once or twice to see if you get a login prompt? :)
11:54.21tenehawkYep, nothing
11:54.25tenehawkwhole SSH shell frozen
11:54.29tenehawkcan't break out either
11:54.36avutenehawk, C-5
11:54.50avutenehawk, check out dmesg on dom0
11:54.54CutMeOwnThroatsacky, you can also run portmap in the foreground with -d
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11:55.05CutMeOwnThroatwhich is probably a good idea at this point :)
11:55.17deus___hi
11:55.18CutMeOwnThroatportmap -dvf
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11:56.24CutMeOwnThroatsacky, "note that localhost will always be allowed to access portmapper"
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11:57.43CutMeOwnThroatoh well
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11:57.56CutMeOwnThroatrpcinfo -p sacky
11:57.59paxcoderkinda OT, but #debian-offtopic moderators like that channel to be non-technical, so I'm asking here: How do you send ansii escape chars to the terminal?
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11:58.04paxcoderie in C
11:58.06CutMeOwnThroatseems I'm not in host.allow anymore :)
11:58.12tenehawkHeh, well now i gotta figure out why it's hanging during boot... dmesg shows nothing out of the blue either
11:58.30sackyMy update-rc.d is away
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11:58.43Maiorpaxcoder: \e
11:58.49jaggzanyone have a voice modem they use to receive calls in linux?
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12:00.00paxcoderMaior: lol. sry it's on the top of the manual. thx tho :-)
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12:00.47paxcoderMaior: should it be safe to assume ansii is supported in unixoids and most other major OS's?
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12:02.26CutMeOwnThroatnite
12:03.25kelikhiiiiiiiiii
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12:03.43tenehawkOk, it's starting up every time i run the command to get it to start, but it hangs at starting crond every time
12:03.57tenehawk[    6.128594] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
12:03.57tenehawk.
12:03.57tenehawkStarting periodic command scheduler: crond.
12:04.25paxcoderhmm strange. \e switch is present in bsd's manual, but not Debian's (including man 3)
12:04.41nsadmintenehawk: looks like crond starts normally... so: it's what's after that's the problem
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12:05.44tenehawkhow can i tell what it is then / fix it?
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12:06.17whooperdootenehawk: maybe console fonts/serial settings or something, you got ssh running on that vm?
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12:06.41tenehawknope. i havent even been able to get to a root prompt yet to install ssh
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12:08.50tenehawkany ideas on how to get past the boot up? lol
12:09.31whooperdootenehawk: its bootet up, but looks like you have to check console options. try google 'xen crond' you'l see
12:09.52AcTiVaTeAlt-SysRq-E should terminate it and give a login but that's not how you want to do it tbh
12:10.01whooperdootenehawk: xen vm is up, but there is no correct output for it defined
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12:12.19whooperdootenehawk: adding "extra = 'xencons=tty'"   on the end of the domain config file solved the problem.. see http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.isp/browse_thread/thread/ef3bf86a8c11c10a?pli=1
12:12.54tenehawkwhooperdoo: alright thanks :)
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12:13.53Maiorpaxcoder: I assume UTF-8 and then kick things in the balls that don't
12:14.03Maiorsome say I code in anger...
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12:14.56paxcoderMaior: so you don't know or?
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12:15.06themill!wayttd paxcoder
12:15.07dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, paxcoder?
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12:15.17p0g0jaggz: do you mean modem anser or voice answer?
12:15.47paxcoderMaior: I'm looking to preform the pgup for now. If it succeeds, I assume I'll be able to do anything :-)
12:15.55paxcoder*ie editor
12:16.19paxcodersry, themill not Maior
12:16.30tenehawkwhooperdoo: still not working 0_o
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12:16.38Maiorsounds like you want ##c
12:16.45Maioror ##linux
12:16.46Maiorand ncurses
12:16.48paxcoderMaior: yeah... will do
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12:16.54paxcoderno, i don't want ncurses :-P
12:17.04MaiorI wonder if I'm still banned from ##linux
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12:22.54tenehawkwhooperdoo: does adding "extra = 'xencons=tty'" only work for direct console or for ssh too?
12:22.59mardidebian woooo!!
12:23.53whooperdoowhooperdoo: without the single ' quotes, like: extra= "xencons=tty", that should work
12:24.09whooperdootenehawk: only the xm console
12:24.49tenehawkit worked.
12:25.01whooperdootenehawk: see :)
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12:26.06whooperdootenehawk: how did you setup the vm? installing
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12:29.30DeSiantoday is 14 Feb, what is with lenny?
12:29.51avuDeSian, well on its way it seems
12:29.56sysdefDeSian: there is a topic. what is with the topic?
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12:31.26DeSianavu: lenny status is:!?
12:31.35avu!lenny status
12:31.35dpkgBarring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>
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12:32.00liable20:58 < dato> lrwxrwxrwx 1 dak debadmin 4 Feb 14 12:46 dists/oldstable -> etch  .. from d-devel..
12:32.02DeSianavu: :D
12:32.30mardii think i'll stick with lenny until i need something from testing
12:32.30avu(that was 11:58 UTC :))
12:32.49mardilenny has been good to me, my dear lenny
12:33.02liableno, it was 20:58 utc+9
12:33.17arezeyuh? so is lenny out now or not?
12:33.25avuliable, whicih, if you think about it, is kind of the same thing ;)
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12:33.44DeSianmardi i use lenny since begin 2008 worked fine for me :)
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12:34.02liableavu: heh, you got me there
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12:35.32Kanohi, how to disalbe that "fast" reboot feature that directly boots linux again and does not do a real reset
12:35.45r0bert0hi all
12:35.45mardiDeSian: yeah! wooooo!!
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12:40.36DeSianhttp://www.debian-news.net/'
12:41.37mOO_kOWcan n1 help me get sound
12:42.27whooperdoomOO_kOW: is it not muted?
12:42.43mOO_kOW<PROTECTED>
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12:43.10mOO_kOWn im a girl i need this put simply lol
12:43.29mOO_kOWstep by step
12:44.16Cope57Like tech support does? I think they start with, "Is your computer plugged in?"
12:44.22whooperdoomOO_kOW: step1: is there a headphone plugged in?
12:44.23mOO_kOWlol
12:44.31mOO_kOWnot that simle
12:44.38mOO_kOWsimple
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12:45.12mOO_kOWi was on debian instaled it myself i wanted to use satanic ubuntu
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12:45.35pbnheh
12:45.43pbnlooks like mOO_kOW is a joke
12:45.45mOO_kOWyes my head phones r plugged in damit lol
12:45.55whooperdoomOO_kOW: for real?
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12:45.56pbndoesn't speak english
12:46.21pbn13:44 < mOO_kOW> i was on debian instaled it myself i wanted to use satanic ubuntu
12:46.26pbnthat's hilarious
12:46.30pbnor stupid, either
12:46.58mOO_kOWoh wat ever dam it now i know y i hate coming here
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12:47.51pbnoops
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12:48.11Vincent0ne-lol
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12:49.00geophoenixhi raziel
12:49.02pbnbut... Debian 5.0 isn't out today ? Neil McGovern said it would be out on February 14th 2009. And that's today :)
12:49.19whooperdoothis year?
12:49.21Cope57Today is not over yet...
12:49.21Vincent0ne-I got the testing version
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12:49.36geophoenixis waiting
12:49.40lostsonyeah maybe they just havent made the announcement yet
12:49.59geophoenixwill seed for the rest of the weekend and beyond
12:50.08Cope5724 hours of today left.... depending on your time zone.
12:50.31icebrain'round here only 11 left :P
12:50.33geophoenixstupid timezone
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12:51.18geophoenixhere we have 10 h left until the end of the day
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12:51.30Kanodid nobody reboot with lenny?
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12:52.14Cope57Reboot? That is a Windows feature right?
12:52.19geophoenixlol
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12:52.41Cope57I thought Linux users be Root, while Windows users reboot?
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12:52.48KanoCope57: there are ppl with more than 1 os on the hd and when i reboot i want my grub menu and not start the same os i run now
12:52.54razielactually restart is windows thing
12:53.07geophoenixyes
12:53.24geophoenixLOL reboot - root
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12:53.37icebrainKano: how do you reboot?
12:53.51Kanoselect reboot from kde menu
12:53.56geophoenixpress the reboot button ?
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12:54.01icebrainKano: try sudo shutdown -r now
12:54.46icebraingeophoenix: you don't soft shutdown? That must give you problems :P
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12:54.49Kanogeophoenix: i only know of a powerbutton
12:55.25Kanoand i dislike that selection menu when i press it. before it really powered the system off, much better
12:55.35geophoenixyes it gives you many problems
12:55.42lord_robicebrain: "reboot" does the same
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12:56.03geophoenixwatches reboot-restart word definition debate
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12:56.41razielis lenny going to be released today?
12:56.44Kanoicebrain: that does directly boot the kernel too
12:56.48tarzeaurestart is used for software. kexec can also restart the currently running linux kernel
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12:56.53tarzeauraziel: yes!
12:57.01mardiraziel: maybe!
12:57.12razielthought so :D
12:57.14icebrainKano: not in my Lenny...
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12:57.55Kanoicebrain: it was a 64 bit install a while ago using pure lenny installer
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12:58.05nailuj24raziel: I think it will be available around 7 pm UTC
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12:58.38icebrainKano: I don't know :|
12:58.42raziel6 more hours o.O for me
12:58.55Kanothe network-manager in lenny is crap too
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12:59.12tarzeauKano: you're free to not use it
12:59.26tarzeauKano: my network manager is$EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces
12:59.26geophoenixuser command-line
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12:59.30geophoenix*use
12:59.36icebrainraziel: 6 hours for everybody :P timezones don't affect the time diferences :P
12:59.44tarzeaugeophoenix: you know the command line is a big 80s
12:59.45tarzeaubit
12:59.47OldMonkdoes debian have network profiles?
12:59.59Kanotarzeau: thats a major regression when your pc has 2 nics
13:00.00geophoenixbut is cool
13:00.00tarzeaugeophoenix: nexstep showed in 1989 that you can do everything without command line
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13:00.16razielicebrain: lol i didnt think of that :D
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13:00.37tarzeauKano: you're free to use mac os x...
13:00.40Kanonext things grub2 + memtest86(+), you need the memtest86+ from experimental
13:00.46mardiwoooo xfce!!
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13:01.03tarzeauKano: if you think it's bugs or you wish it's improved use the BTS
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13:01.27bahadunntarzeau: howdy?
13:01.39OldMonkit's quicker to rsync -av --partial -u . laptop:~/ than to open one local file manager window, one remote file manager window, figure out which files in local are newer than corresponding file in remote, select those files and drag them to the remote window
13:01.39Kanothe grub hook in both packages in debian dir (for use with grub2) are wrong
13:01.43tarzeaubahadunn: fine, gotta fix some things
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13:02.00bahadunntarzeau: for the release?
13:02.10tarzeaubahadunn: nah, for today, for myself :)
13:02.15bahadunntarzeau: ah
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13:02.30Kanotarzeau: do you use grub2
13:02.44tarzeauKano: sometimes. but mostly grub 1.x
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13:03.12bahadunndoesnt briandmg maintain grub?
13:03.17ZambeziThis error occur when I try to start both ncmpc and mpc. Debian Lenny, no DE, just Ratpoison, kdm (to get Xorg). What's wrong? Both showing error: problems getting a response from "localhost" on port 6600 : Connection refused || and mpc also says:
13:03.18ZambeziMPD_HOST and/or MPD_PORT environment variables are not set
13:03.19Kanowell i try to switch everything over to grub2
13:03.29tarzeaubahadunn: yes i think so, and otavio makes patches
13:03.40tarzeauKano: grub2 still doesn't support the password protection
13:03.44tarzeauwhich we need for at work
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13:04.08soskohi all
13:04.13Kanotarzeau: boah, that protection is really a good one ;)
13:04.21tarzeauKano: it really is
13:04.27Kanoit is a joke
13:04.30tarzeauKano: no it's not
13:04.38Kanoof course it is
13:04.45tarzeauKano: it makes sure someone can't just boot with boot=/bin/bash
13:04.49tarzeauKano: bullshit, it's not
13:05.02Kanotarzeau: then boot via usb, cdrom whatever
13:05.08icebraintarzeau: can't a guy simply run a cd with it's own grub?
13:05.09tarzeauKano: of course we are not stupid
13:05.17tarzeauKano: our users can't boot via usb, cdrom whatever
13:05.25tarzeauicebrain: no, because it's disabled.
13:05.29icebrainoh, ok
13:05.33tarzeauand all managed systems are being watched
13:06.14soskois there an easy way to forward all mail that comes to my mbox on debian host to my real email address?
13:06.29Kanotarzeau: are they able to boot xp?
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13:07.01tarzeauKano: we have several managed systems. either windows xp, mac os x or debian gnu/linux. none of them are dual/triple boot
13:07.11OldMonksosko: use /etc/aliases or ~/.forward
13:07.18tarzeauKano: but the linux workstations can use rdesktop to access windows vista/office vista
13:07.20bahadunntarzeau: you still working at the uni?
13:07.28tarzeaubahadunn: ETH Zurich, yes
13:07.29Kanotarzeau: well you know when you have got admin access to win then you can install a grub2 loader inside win too
13:07.52tarzeauKano: nice. but on the manages machines nobody else than the people who run the systems have admin access
13:08.22Kanotarzeau: and of course there are no admin exploits for win ;)
13:08.43tarzeauKano: you know our users are glad if they can work. they don't have time for such things
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13:08.47nsadminexploits? for win?? yer crazy!
13:08.47bahadunnKano: we all know there are none
13:08.49tarzeauKano: and sooner or later we'll figure
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13:09.07tarzeauKano: there also exist linux exploits, and probably mac os x ones too.
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13:09.17bahadunnmac os x?
13:09.20bahadunnI doubt it
13:09.29bahadunnwindows and os x are the most secure in the world
13:09.38nsadminmmhmm :P
13:09.42OldMonkbahadunn: CERT advisory for os/x a week or two ago
13:09.52OldMonkoh, ok
13:09.53bahadunnOldMonk: if CERT is to be believed
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13:10.41OldMonkbahadunn: nah, you're right... winduhs, os/x and the unbreakable database (oracle) -- the pioneers and shining examples of secure programming in our sploit-ridden world
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13:10.52bahadunnOldMonk: yeah
13:10.59bahadunnOldMonk: oracle makes me puke
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13:11.23OldMonkbahadunn: not here please ;)
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13:11.41bahadunnOldMonk: no in the bucket or something of course
13:11.49bahadunnOldMonk: I am not a sicko or something :-P
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13:12.57doudouWhat is the most used framework for PHP?
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13:13.09bahadunndoudou: what do you mean by framework?
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13:13.14bahadunndoudou: like drupal?
13:13.25geophoenixis there a framework for php?
13:13.27bahadunndoudou: wordpress and such?
13:13.49geophoenix^.^
13:14.10geophoenixfor what blogs ?
13:14.11OldMonknah, php has templating and MVC frameworks
13:14.21bahadunnnevermind
13:14.32soskodrupal is cms imo, not a real framework
13:14.36bahadunnseems there are a bunch of php frameworks
13:14.45bahadunnhttp://www.phpframeworks.com/
13:15.03soskocakephp, code igniter, symfony, etc etc just some of them
13:15.05doudoulike monodevelop
13:15.06bahadunnshivers at the thought of a php framework
13:15.18OldMonkdoudou: i've heard good reports about zend, if you can call anyting associated with php ``good''
13:15.34doudoui am very big programming beginner, i am even not sure of the meaning of framework
13:15.43bahadunnpython/django is my choice
13:15.45OldMonkdoudou: then why use php?
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13:15.53bahadunndoudou: yeah why use php?
13:16.10doudoui saw many people asking to make server in PHP
13:16.21OldMonki'd start with java or python -- they enforce structure
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13:16.24tarzeaui want to make server with LENNY
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13:16.30bahadunndoudou: a framework is something people use to build web applications
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13:16.36doudouif it could be simple like with monodevelop, i could try to learn
13:16.37bahadunntarzeau: me too dang it
13:16.49beardyI want to make sweet LENNY to your server.
13:16.51doudouso monodevelop is a framework
13:17.01bahadunnbeardy: you are odd
13:17.16beardybahadunn: Atleast I know how to quote.
13:17.18valdyndoudou: its not
13:17.25OldMonkdoudou: monodevelop is an ide, not a framework
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13:17.31bahadunnbeardy: :-P
13:17.42OldMonkdoudou: if you want ide, then go with java and eclipse IMNSHO
13:17.42beardyHtf are you anyway.
13:17.52bahadunnhtf?
13:17.59soskoOldMonk: why NSH ? :)
13:18.04bahadunnshivers at java
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13:18.10OldMonksosko: i'm rarely humble :)
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13:18.15soskohaha
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13:18.45bahadunndoudou: you should give python a go
13:18.49doudoucan you give me the link to debian server that tell what files are in packages and more
13:19.04bahadunndoudou: you can use dpkg
13:19.06valdyn!pdo
13:19.06dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
13:19.07asgdoudou: djangobook.com <------ go read that
13:19.17OldMonkdoudou: dude, why're you jumping between all the planets in the solar system in each sentence?
13:19.18doudoui love python, is there python and pph way to easily develop web applications?
13:19.40bahadunndoudou: django
13:20.07OldMonkwhat's a good ide for python (answers of emacs and vi shall be treated with disdain)
13:20.23bahadunnOldMonk: I dont know
13:20.34bahadunnOldMonk: I like geany but I dont know if it is an IDE
13:20.36beardyTry nano.
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13:20.51OldMonkbeardy: *polite laugh*
13:20.54valdynknowing doudous typical level of knowledge he shouldnt use an ide
13:20.56bahadunnOldMonk: yes geany is an IDE
13:21.03valdynbut learn things beyond Hello World first
13:21.09bahadunnOldMonk: I like geany or just a text editor
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13:21.16tarzeaubahadunn: my latest panorama: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/panorama/slides/eth-hil-hip-hit.html
13:21.33OldMonkwell, i'd use emacs but i can see it is a bit intimidating to a new user
13:21.40bahadunntarzeau: very nice
13:21.44bahadunntarzeau: is that the uni?
13:21.51tarzeaubahadunn: a small part of it
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13:22.04bahadunntarzeau: is that snow on the streets?
13:22.14tarzeaubahadunn: it's three buildings (1/3) of that campus (which is just half of it all at that location)
13:22.15brutusHi, how do I move my applications, places, system panel to the left? It's all crammed up to the right...
13:22.17tarzeaubahadunn: yes
13:23.20liablebrutus: right click it, and click the move menu?
13:23.42soskobahadunn: yes, but it mostly depends where on earth are you. literally. :D
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13:24.08brutusliable, I tried that, but the move option is greyed out and disabled
13:24.23JohGrobruts: right click, and unlock
13:24.25bahadunnsosko: I live in the islands so I dont see snow
13:24.33JohGrobrutus: tehn right click and move
13:24.34brutusliable, Oh its locked...working fine now...thanks
13:24.38tarzeaubahadunn: in the fridge?
13:24.53tarzeaubahadunn: we don't have the sea, here
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13:25.18bahadunntarzeau: fridge is self defrosting
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13:25.43tarzeaubahadunn: what's the highest mountains you have on your islands?
13:25.55bahadunntarzeau: I think 120 feet above sea level
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13:27.00Sbidicudaplease help, I'm trying to setup an hylafax server, but there's no faxsetup nor faxadduser program
13:27.17bahadunntarzeau: 7 meters above sea level according to wikipedia
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13:27.32tarzeaubahadunn: haha, you don't have mountains
13:27.38bahadunntarzeau: make that 70 meters
13:27.44doudouso to resume, python -> django ; look at zend ; look at eclipse ; for debian there was a better link than packages.debian.org, the page was showing all distrib and a select let you choose name of file or description or package name ...
13:27.50bahadunntarzeau: 70 meters above sea level
13:27.51tarzeaubahadunn: that's nothing...
13:27.55bahadunntarzeau: yes I know
13:28.00soskomore like a hill :)
13:28.17tarzeaubahadunn: and what about the highest trees?
13:28.18bahadunntarzeau: might be moving to the US hopefully and then I will be in real mountains
13:28.35tarzeaubahadunn: where, to the us?
13:29.12s_20Sbidicuda: they should be in /usr/sbin/ if you have hylafax-server isntalled
13:29.19s_20maybe that's not in your $PATH
13:29.22HoxzerWhy would my keyboard language be changed to the USA everytime I login in gnome ? This started when I turned auto login on. AND yes the language is set to finnish in gnome settings and eventhough I reclick the "default" box it wont change it back. It actually changes it to the finnish when I click default on some other language.
13:29.29Sbidicudas_20: ok done, my fault
13:29.31bahadunntarzeau: TN maybe
13:29.32HoxzerReally really strange
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13:29.37s_20Sbidicuda: you're welcome
13:29.40HoxzerAnd really really confusing and frustarating
13:29.47bahadunntarzeau: depends where I can find work
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13:30.33s_20any news on the lenny release? :)
13:30.36doudoupopcon says eclipse is almost 8x more asked than django
13:30.43s_20(yes, i did ask the bot)
13:30.53s_20(i'm just very curious)
13:30.54bahadunnsosko: bot does not know
13:31.00bahadunns_20: bot does not know
13:31.18bahadunns_20: I dont think anyone here knows
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13:31.34s_20bahadunn: *sigh* alright
13:31.39tarzeaumaybe that helps:
13:31.44tarzeauhttp://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
13:31.44d-b-ubunoi any release party information for lenny up ?
13:32.01d-b-ubunlike *when* it is released
13:32.01tarzeaud-b-ubun: in what country?
13:32.05d-b-ubunaustralia
13:32.15doudouvaldyn, i should be able to use mondevelop or windows C# and .NET  before next year, what is close to these and PHP
13:32.17MarkJonesI sure hope they do release today!
13:32.23tarzeaud-b-ubun: you have more than just kangoroos and koala bears?
13:32.24s_20seeing as it is still very early over there in the US i'm hopeful it'll still happen today
13:32.42d-b-ubuns_20: 70rc bugs ?
13:32.42liabledrop-bears
13:32.44d-b-ubunprobably not
13:32.45ascenttarzeau: lots of tarmac to cover on motorbikes ;)
13:32.54bahadunnd-b-ubun: those fires under control yet?
13:32.54d-b-ubunliable: any you know it ^^
13:33.03d-b-ubunbahadunn: mostly.
13:33.03bahadunnd-b-ubun: hope you are not near them
13:33.07s_20tarzeau: they also have interesting accents and nice beaches
13:33.08d-b-ubunnar i'm in sydney
13:33.10bahadunnd-b-ubun: that is good to know
13:33.17ascent150kms north of melbourne we're the fires, right?
13:33.28d-b-ubunyeah. pretty scary for them.
13:33.28MarkJonesYeah but does any OS ever actually have 0 bugs on release.I realy doubt its possible.
13:33.31ascentfriends of mine are in sydney right now, heading back to holland any day
13:33.38ascentd-b-ubun: sure thing.
13:33.42d-b-ubunMarkJones: RC -> release critical
13:33.43d-b-ubun!rc
13:33.44dpkgit has been said that rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate
13:33.50MarkJonesyeah I know
13:33.56tarzeaubut rc is also remote control
13:33.58bahadunnI dont think I would ever visit australia
13:34.06d-b-ubunbahadunn: why not ?
13:34.07bahadunnd-b-ubun: no offense meant
13:34.08tarzeaubahadunn: i'd love to
13:34.09s_20d-b-ubun: i don't think the rc bugs are gonna stop them
13:34.13MarkJonesI seriously dought RC is ever =0, ever.
13:34.19bahadunnd-b-ubun: to many deadly creatures there
13:34.21d-b-ubuns_20: 0 rc bug policy
13:34.22ascentI've already visited it \o/ yay
13:34.25ascentbahadunn: lol
13:34.26d-b-ubun!ready
13:34.28tarzeaubahadunn: and the ozone hole
13:34.37d-b-ubun!release policy
13:34.39bahadunntarzeau: well that surely wont help either
13:34.42tarzeaubahadunn: and the great britain people put the criminals to australia too
13:34.55liable...
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13:35.14ascentI've travelled on motorbikes from syndney->melbourne->perth, was one hell of a great trip :)
13:35.19bahadunntarzeau: not anymore
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13:35.28s_20d-b-ubun: well.. they said set the release for today, i also dont think they have any illusions about the rc bugs magically disappearing
13:35.38s_20so i think they won't be bothered all that much by the rc bugs after all
13:35.38bahadunntarzeau: that was back hundreds of years ago
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13:35.47bahadunntarzeau: crazy turk
13:35.52tarzeaubahadunn: do you think the criminals are not in australia anymore?
13:35.53d-b-ubuns_20: i think they will downgrade them.
13:36.15bahadunntarzeau: there are some there but the british dont send them there anymore
13:36.18MarkJonesLast minute bugs will probably be fixed on 5.0r1
13:36.21s_20d-b-ubun: which is what you could call 'not let them bother you all that much', right? ;)
13:36.22d-b-ubuntarzeau: dude more people kill each other in the us, you need a license to own a gun here and they are not easy to get.
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13:36.26d-b-ubununlike the us.
13:36.40d-b-ubunno offense
13:36.45d-b-ubunoffence *
13:36.48tarzeaud-b-ubun: i'm j/k ;)
13:36.50s_20*licence :(
13:36.53liableit aint that hard..
13:36.55beardyoff fence
13:37.00MarkJonesLook at etch it has been out and tested for 2 years and it has MANY bugs but is stable as hell.
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13:37.12bahadunnI like the US and the right to bear arms
13:37.20d-b-ubunMarkJones: didn't it have 0 rc bugs for release tho ?
13:37.21bahadunnnot to get political or anything
13:37.29beardyThen don't.
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13:37.49tarzeaubahadunn: can't you make some macro photos of some insects of your islands?
13:37.56doudouit was packages.debian.org/search i was confused by comming from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages page that look much less old
13:37.58tarzeaubahadunn: or of fish and other things on the island?
13:38.09doudoumuch older
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13:38.12bahadunnbeardy: that directed at everyone or just me?
13:38.27bahadunntarzeau: I guess if I knew how
13:38.37tarzeaubahadunn: with a photo camera?
13:38.43beardybahadunn: Just you, oddball.
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13:39.03bahadunnbeardy: ah well what I said was a response to someone's remark just so you know
13:39.04doudouis it possible that lenny is much slower than etch?
13:39.12bahadunndoudou: slower how?
13:39.16tarzeaudoudou: no
13:39.18bahadunndoudou: performance wise?
13:39.30doudouso it is my usb drive that is slower
13:39.37bahadunndoudou: probably
13:39.43d-b-ubunwell.... 2.6.18 kernel only had a small amount of kernel io slowness...
13:40.05bahadunnwhat kernel is with lenny?
13:40.07bahadunn2.6.27?
13:40.11s_20.26
13:40.15bahadunnah
13:40.16newsensewipes the crust out of eyes
13:40.27newsenseis lenny released yet ?
13:40.27s_20i know that because i'm stuck with .26 in sid and can't wait to get my hands on .28 ;)
13:40.31bahadunnnewsense: you paint a lovely picture
13:40.32s_20newsense: nope
13:40.39newsensehaha
13:40.41liabledoesnt want to know what newsense got up to
13:40.48bahadunns_20: you could compile .28
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13:40.55newsenseliable: haha
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13:41.16s_20bahadunn: yes i could, if i wasn't so lazy....
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13:41.50s_20also it's been quite a long time since i last compiled a kernel myself, i'd also need to read up again how to do it 'the debian way'
13:42.08d-b-ubuns_20: make clean && make menuconfig
13:42.19d-b-ubunthen ... gooooo
13:42.32s_20d-b-ubun: that's where the whole 'the debian way' thing comes in, i'd want it to be properly packaged :)
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13:44.05doudoui would like to say something negative, but maybe tomorrow
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13:44.18doudou10 minutes ban
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13:44.23s_20o_O
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13:44.39OldMonks_20: make-kpkg?
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13:45.10s_20that sounds good
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13:47.07s_20OldMonk: thank you, i'll give it a shot
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13:47.24OldMonks_20: anytime
13:47.25s_20*wgets the source*
13:47.29d-b-ubuns_20: i have problems with my 2.6.28's tho.... even when i ran make oldconfig i couldn't unlock my luks disk on my laptop, desktop was fine (different compile /options maybe... ) but needed a ps/2 mouse
13:47.39jamonmay the source be with you s_20
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13:47.55d-b-ubunbut having said that it runs fine on my nas ^^ (armel)
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13:48.53s_20d-b-ubun: thanks for the warning, that's why i want it to be properly packaged, so that i can go back anytime without having to hassle with grub myself or be afraid it might clumsily overwrite something
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13:49.09d-b-ubuns_20: i did package it properly -> compiled the debian way.
13:49.13d-b-ubunbut vanilla sources.
13:49.19s_20alright, good for you then ;)
13:49.28s_20are there any debian patches for 2.6.28 already?
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13:51.22s_20sepult_: => #debian-kde
13:51.28sepult_oh
13:51.29sepult_ok
13:53.03Samuel-NotAFK1Should I change everything in my /etc/apt/sources.list from Lenny to Stable?
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13:55.22s_20Samuel-NotAFK1: doesn't matter
13:55.32s_20that is as long as lenny stays stable
13:55.33jamonSamuel-NotAFK1: leave it at lenny
13:55.41s_20and you shouldn't do that until lenny is released
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14:00.38geophoenixtoo much green and red on my screen :(
14:01.19Tapouthow many ipv6 ips can you add to one box?  Is there a way to add them all with wildcards?
14:01.45OldMonkwhat's ``all''?
14:02.01scorp6how is progressing the release of lenny?
14:02.13xand!wwlr
14:02.13dpkgLenny (5.0) will hopefully release on February 14, 2009. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00002.html http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable. Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>.
14:02.20xandoh, that's today
14:02.29Tapoutold, lets say you have a /64 ...  and you wanna add lets say .. 2500 ipv6 ips that are random on that /64 ... how?
14:02.29jacobw-ukscorp6: etch 4.0r7 has been released today
14:02.30Tapout:)
14:02.40jacobw-ukscorp6: what that means about lenny i don't know
14:02.45OldMonkTapout: use a script?  shell or perl
14:02.47scorp6jacobw-uk: ok thx :D
14:02.57TapoutOldMonk, but won't that mess up ifconfig having that many aliases?
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14:03.31OldMonkTapout: it shouldn't -- i've tried up to 1000+ addresses without issues adding them
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14:04.09d-b-ubun!lenny status
14:04.09dpkgBarring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>
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14:06.01cyzieany cli rss reader?
14:06.21ascentcyzie: I'm using an irc server with a bot that reads 'em..
14:06.28jacobw-uk!etch->lenny
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14:07.03cyzieascent, im looking for a application that read rss rather than from a bot :)
14:07.09simplechathey, did lenny release?
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14:07.13simplechatisn't 4.0 etch?
14:07.30ascentsimplechat: no/yes ;)
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14:07.48simplechatascent, damn
14:07.54simplechatwasn't it meant to be released yesterday?
14:08.01ascenttoday.
14:08.09ascentwell, depening on your timezone I suppose :p[
14:08.12simplechatyeah
14:08.15simplechatits the 15th here
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14:09.08simplechatascent, so later today?
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14:09.16ascentwe all hope so simplechat
14:09.17ascent;)
14:09.19sepult_i have filesystem loops
14:09.21sepult_oh no
14:09.30sepult_again
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14:09.59simplechatascent, damn
14:10.00simplechatlol
14:10.04liablelooks like lenny just released
14:10.24liablejust wait for the mirror updates i spose
14:10.41tarzeauftp team changed testing to be squeeze
14:10.41nailuj24liable: debian.org still shows etch as stable
14:11.52jamonnailuj24: take some time, http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
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14:12.58geophoenixit's time ?
14:13.09liableits very close
14:13.22liabledato changed the topic of #debian-devel to: Lenny release: in progress (mirror team working) | 4.0r7 released
14:13.50geophoenixr7 ?
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14:14.11lord_robmany people "complaining" here are using sid, aren't they ? :)
14:14.17liablenot sure what thats about, last update for etch i guess
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14:14.44patrikfwow, they release with so many remaining RC bugs?
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14:15.10liablei dont think anyone is complaining, its just always an interesting time for debian users. it doesnt happen that often :P
14:15.13simplechatlord_rob, nah, i have to upgrade my stable servers
14:15.33simplechatand i'm wondering if i should wait until lenny is out before i build my next one :)
14:15.38jamonthere's a planned lenny and a half patrikf
14:15.58geophoenixthinks his going to have a heart attack
14:16.03liablesimplechat: word, thats actually the often forgotten complaint when everyone is whining about debian being so old
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14:16.18simplechatliable, i'll say
14:16.22Nigromantehi
14:16.28simplechati have to use at the very least testing and sometimes unstable in order to get everything working
14:16.41jamonthat's what dist-upgrade -s is for :)
14:16.57simplechatsure, but i still need a stable server
14:17.07simplechatjust need a package for a server
14:17.09lord_robliable: I know I know, j/k :) anyway many people are nervous about the release (me included, even if I'm using sid, and I'm not directly concerned)
14:17.11simplechatis looking at memcachedb
14:17.19Nigromantehello, any recent news about lenny ?
14:17.26patrikfjamon: it's not about lenny+half, there will be r1 anyways
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14:17.39patrikfstill, quite some bugs
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14:18.05jamontrue enough, but it's been running on my servers for a month or 2 no problems
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14:22.18enzo72!ciao
14:22.18dpkgwell, ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter.
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14:22.25enzo72!list
14:22.26dpkgone warez list being sent to enzo72
14:22.26Trewaslenny would be never released if the release would wait until zero RC bugs... there are always new bugs
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14:27.30geophoenix872 users
14:27.32geophoenixcool
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14:27.50s_20geophoenix: it's that special time of the year again.......
14:28.03geophoenixlol
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14:32.24JordiGHHow do you define commands for dpkg, the bot?
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14:32.55geophoenix!help
14:33.02Tapoutasg, mirc?   cntl+enter bypasses the parsing of /
14:33.06Tapout/msg dpkg help
14:33.56asgTapout: the use whatever mirc uses to PM the bot
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14:36.18cryingtuxhello
14:36.18lhgergoif i download the lenny (testing) now, what packages will be in it? Those, which will be in the stable?
14:36.37JordiGHlhgergo: wait a few hours before the release is done.
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14:36.55cryingtuxwhat is "debian-40r7-etchnhalf-i386" iso??
14:36.57themillno point in waiting, things aren't going to change
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14:37.05JordiGHcryingtux: The last etch release, presumably.
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14:37.25altiouswhen...
14:37.28altiouswhen? :)
14:37.56themillJordiGH: by "last" you mean "most recent" not "final", though
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14:38.15JordiGHthemill: How long is oldstable supported?
14:38.21cryingtuxJordiGH: you mean there wont be any further releases for etch?
14:38.24enoufas etch will remain supported for ... another year?
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14:38.35liableusually
14:38.44enouftwas 6months. one time, IIRC, then altered
14:38.45sepult_i did a dpkg-scanpackages of / and got filesystem-loops and too many layers of symbolic links; do i have to be alerted now ?
14:38.58OldMonkhmm, so if i have servers running lenny i should change sources.list to point to "testing" if i want to continue using testing, right?
14:39.02digitaloktayhi debian
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14:39.21liableOldMonk: yes, but a wise man would wait a week for the dust to settle :P
14:39.23enoufOldMonk: or squeeze - but yes, brace yourself :-P
14:39.24Wyzardcryingtux: lenny is being released today, so there won't be any more etch releases (though there'll still be security updates until oldstable support is dropped)
14:39.43arezeyhopes it really does
14:39.49enoufconcurs with liable
14:39.53stewWyzard: there will be an etch r8
14:40.09Wyzardoh?
14:40.22enouflikely ... in-the-making
14:40.32rdzhi all. i am looking for a proxy, that redirects some urls to some local server. there is a whole bunch of proxies around. which one would be appropriate for what i want?
14:40.33cryingtuxWyzard: indeed i was looking for lenny release isos on debian website as i read it will be released today, but all i found were updated etch isos
14:40.49WyzardWhat will that be, a final roll-up of all released updates when etch support is dropped?
14:40.55stewcryingtux: the isos are being built right now
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14:41.17stewWyzard: etch support continues for a year.  there is likely to be an r9 as well
14:41.25liablestew: shouldnt you be busy doing ftp stuff? off you go and get lenny released!
14:41.33lhgergoso should i wait or should i download?
14:41.38cryingtuxstew:thanks, we can wait till tomorrow to get the isos
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14:42.26bolthow can I figure out when netbeans-ide version 6.5 could make it into debian? currently, 6.0.1 is the newest. should i ask the maintainer, or is there a better way?
14:42.31stewliable: there isn't anything for me to do, i'm just watching Ganneff :)
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14:44.43liablebolt: yup, file a wishlist or mail the maintainer i guess
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14:45.59enoufhaha
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14:46.21enoufstew: who's wearing the Catcher's mitt? :-P
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14:50.38Tapoutanyone know an ipv6 capable console browser I can test my ipv6 site with?
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14:51.26kj4hello debian peoples
14:51.54enoufTapout: how does the browser know if it's .. wait, is that GET=HTTP1.0/1.1 related?
14:52.18enoufgah - i can't even do that right
14:52.30Tapoutenouf, well seeing how you need ping6, traceroute6, and all those apps, I figured I'd need a specialized browser
14:52.32sepultgkiagia: i'm in the process of rebuilding them, got them from branches for my 4.2 i installed with apt and the trunk versin, i'll test both
14:52.37sepultups sorry
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14:52.56enoufTapout: see what happens when you try links2
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14:53.15enoufor elinks or whatever, or w3m? how about wget? :-P
14:53.40Tapoutlinks2 = host not found :(
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14:54.01enoufheh
14:54.16enoufTapout: Setup > Network Options?
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14:54.55enoufwait .. host not found could be almost anything, like no route / gw even, right?
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14:56.04Tapoutenouf, ping ipv6.google.com  = same message
14:56.10Tapoutping6 ipv6.google.com = works
14:56.20Tapoutnah nothing in settings_ Network options
14:56.22enoufwow
14:56.58enoufTapout: is there anything special one needs for DNS lookups? can you use the IP in the browser?
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14:57.22harkTapout: w3m
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14:57.33enoufdig6 ; whois6 ? :-P
14:57.44Alcatroswhen i try to update my debian ...  aptitude safe-upgrade is telling me the following,,, ghostscript: Conflicts: gs-esp (< 8.62) but 8.15.3.dfsg.1-1etch1 how can i remove this ?
14:58.08Tapoutsweet
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14:58.14Tapoutw3m has it, thanks hark
14:58.18abrotmanAlcatros: remove what?
14:58.20TapoutBINGO IN HALL, HOLD CARDS WHILE WE CHECK
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14:58.39Alcatros.. this dependency seem to conflict... ? so cant i remove something to make it better?
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14:59.53abrotmanAlcatros: does it tell you packages are held back ?
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15:00.29harkAlcatros: you installed something from lenny?
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15:00.39AlcatrosThe following packages have unmet dependencies: , the postet above  is written down..
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15:00.49Raw1when comes Lenny?
15:00.55liablesoon
15:00.55Alcatrosi havent finished the upgrade proceedure.. i just inputet the command ,,, aptitude save-upgrade
15:01.03harksoon
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15:01.17abrotmanAlcatros: put it all in a pastebin
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15:02.44Alcatroshttp://sial.org/pbot/35054
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15:04.58Alcatrosany ideas abrotman
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15:05.05harkAlcatros: you should do a full-upgrade to move to lenny
15:05.12liable!any ideas?
15:05.12Alcatrosk
15:05.12dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a box full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 three-legged weasels.  And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours!
15:05.24Alcatros:P
15:05.41liablei miss that one :)
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15:06.54geophoenixwireless-tools are included in debian lenny right ?
15:06.59Alcatrosi 'am fully upgrading ..
15:07.04Alcatroshope it works well ;-)
15:07.08liablegeophoenix: yep
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15:08.40r0bis lenny being released today?
15:08.48khaleel5100hahahahaha
15:09.04stewr0b: yes
15:09.10Alcatroslenny isnt released today but ... my Grammy is ..
15:09.17liablecan we add in /topic that its in the works?
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15:09.32abrotmanto add more drama ?
15:09.41liablei havent topicsmited anyone for a long while, now is the prefect time!
15:09.43JordiGHYes, drama!
15:09.44abrotman!lenny status
15:09.44dpkgBarring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>
15:09.49vsayikiranplease see this bug report. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502004. did anyone face the same problem. is there any solution. please let me know
15:09.52JordiGH!wwlr
15:09.53dpkgLenny (5.0) will hopefully release on February 14, 2009. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00002.html http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable. Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>.
15:10.23Alcatrosdpkg: lenny status
15:10.24dpkgBarring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>
15:10.25patrikfJordiGH: honestly, how many times have you queried this factoid today? ;-)
15:10.36JordiGHpatrikf: First time. :-)
15:10.44Alcatrosdpkg: wwlr
15:10.44dpkgLenny (5.0) will hopefully release on February 14, 2009. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00002.html http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable. Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>.
15:10.45khaleel5100hey i think they are trying to update teh site for release of Lenny...........debian.org says "The latest stable release of Debian is 4.0. The last update to this release was made on February 14th, 2009. Read more about available versions of Debian."
15:10.48revlowhats up with the etch release today? (according to debian.org)  thats no sign that the release of lenny is affected?
15:10.50geophoenix..
15:10.51patrikfJordiGH: damn.
15:10.56khaleel5100but actually i believe the update was on 10 feb
15:10.56nsadminthey could ubuntuize the name and call it lenny lover
15:11.00Tapoutguys guys guys, i'll get lenny updated here in a minute, just wait .. I'll get it done ;)
15:11.02khaleel5100of ETCH
15:11.10harmattan'hopefully' : tell NASA that the space shuttle will 'hopefully' work OK... :-(
15:11.15patrikfkhaleel5100: AFAIK 4.0r7 came out today
15:11.22abrotmanno
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15:11.29asgit came out a few days ago
15:11.31digitaloktayby release lenny, moves the packages from experimental to unstable?
15:11.33liableyay, so we can spam the channel, but not put it in the topic?
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15:11.38khaleel5100patrikf: http://debian.org/releases/
15:11.45abrotmandigitaloktay: not at all
15:11.45revlokhaleel5100: I read both, the topic for examples reads 10. feb the website reads today
15:11.53BUMBACL0TThe next release of Debian is codenamed "lenny"  Â— no release date has been set
15:11.59abrotmanrevlo: might just be when the news made it to the website
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15:12.25abrotmanvsayikiran: your lenny system is up to date?
15:12.27nsadminBUMBACL0T: but they're thinking of releasing today
15:12.33BUMBACL0Tah
15:12.33liablejust put it in the topic ffs, we know the ftp team are working on it
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15:13.08nsadminpersonally I hope they delay the release until the mirrors are uptodate
15:13.11abrotmanliable: fix <lenny status>
15:13.20digitaloktayabrotman, openoffice.org 3 and kde 4.2 and and ....
15:13.27liableabrotman: no, put it in the topic
15:13.30d-b-ubunabrotman: some thingchange ?
15:13.48abrotmandigitaloktay: and what? that's not a question
15:13.52abrotmanliable: fix the factoid
15:14.10abrotmanthey're apparently preparing the CDs currently
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15:14.23liableabrotman: wtf? its about to be released, why do we need to reference factoids? isnt that what the topic is for?
15:14.23d-b-ubunabrotman: what about the 0 rc but policy ?
15:14.28vsayikiranabrotman: yes its uptodate
15:14.50abrotmanliable: you mean the factoid in the topic that says /msg dpkg lenny status  ?
15:14.54digitaloktayabrotman, openoffice 3 moves to unstable? and kde4 too?
15:15.01abrotmand-b-ubun: what about it?
15:15.09abrotmandigitaloktay: probably not
15:15.11vsayikiranabrotman: even few days back i got the same problem
15:15.15liableabrotman: dont be such an ass
15:15.17d-b-ubunis it being maintained or not ?
15:15.22d-b-ubundoesn't seem like it
15:15.24abrotmanyou fix the factoid .. i'll fix the topic :)
15:15.32vsayikiranabrotman: i update my lenny every friday or saturday
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15:16.10abrotmand-b-ubun: they'll fix the bugs or remove the packages supposedly
15:16.39d-b-ubunbut if they are building the cdroms now .... andthere are still 82 bugs on the tracker ... where did those 82 bugs go
15:16.41abrotmanvsayikiran: tried changing different X options ?
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15:17.04abrotmand-b-ubun: that thing might be out of date by now ..
15:17.26d-b-ubunprobably if they are moving as fast as i assume they are
15:17.26abrotmand-b-ubun: you could go ask the release team, but they might be busy
15:17.49d-b-ubuni might lurk on the irc room what is it ? ....
15:18.20abrotmanoh .. i guess there isn't a release channel that i see
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15:18.37liablejeez, i cant even remember how to alter factoids anymore..
15:18.53lhgergohi again
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15:18.56d-b-ubunyah abrotman they are reducing the severity of the bugs just noticed k yeah that 82 number is out of date
15:19.06liableabrotman: just fix the topic!
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15:19.08d-b-ubunabrotman: so i assume lenny is released then ?
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15:19.30abrotmanliable: you can fix weifi drivers, but not the bot? :)
15:19.49abrotmand-b-ubun: i already said .. they're supposedly preparing CDs
15:19.59abrotmanit seems stew will give us an update in a moment!
15:20.01lhgergowhen will be avaliable the lenny stable? I know, that everybody ask this, but i'm curious :-)!
15:20.01liableabrotman: its been a long time since i played with factoids. i only have a very small ram in my brain :P
15:20.02d-b-ubunabrotman:  ok thank you ^^ . cool
15:20.03arezeyoo geez here we go...
15:20.28themillthe lenny status factoid is still correct.... nothing to change
15:20.31wwlrabrotman:  liable  stp fighing, make me OP and I wil fix the factoid /topic
15:20.33*** topic/#debian by stew -> lenny release in progress: /msg dpkg lenny status | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r7 released /msg dpkg etch | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic
15:20.46arezeyhmm.
15:20.50asglhgergo: rest assured that as soon as the release is final, it will appear in the /topic.
15:20.53arezeyguess we didn't go yet
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15:21.20liablestew: thanks
15:21.27liableabrotman: see, its not so hard!
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15:21.56lhgergothanks
15:22.03hoxu!be a /topic barbie
15:22.03dpkgAww, /topic is HARD! Let's go shopping, hoxu
15:22.13patrikfshouldn't <lenny status> contain some more detail?
15:22.28arezeyindeed
15:22.30themill!lenny status
15:22.30dpkgBarring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>.  ISO generation in progress
15:22.32abrotmandid you read the whole thing ?
15:22.41wwlrd-b-ubun: btw read this http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html          (Remaining RC bugs_
15:22.47wwlrthey might leave some, and fix for RC1
15:22.48patrikfabrotman: yes, but a minute ago :)
15:22.57arezeysame here
15:23.01abrotmanwwlr: r1
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15:23.29wwlryeah sorry r1
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15:24.33stews/might leave/are leaving/
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15:26.05lhgergobye
15:27.09geophoenixwe will reach 1000 users  ?
15:27.31arezeyhow many here is now?
15:27.42hoxu886, last peak was 942 (Fri May 16 23:17:01 2008)
15:27.48arezeyokies
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15:28.37simplechat:)
15:28.40geophoenixlet's watch a southpark episode
15:28.41liablehmm, i just notced my irssi status bar doesnt show that anymore.. dunno what i did to make that happen
15:28.41d-b-ubun887
15:28.45wwlrI currently have lenny testing installed, can i make a 'live cd/dvd' out of this install, which means make an image of this install (not a fresh from FTP,of this system,installed on my HD)
15:29.24abrotmanwwlr: yes
15:29.26liablewwlr: you can make a copy of it, sure
15:29.29arezeywell, considering they are now making ISO:s..
15:29.31wwlrhow?
15:29.38arezeythat's another question...
15:29.42wwlra good howto/keyword/programm
15:29.44abrotman!info bootcd lenny
15:30.12dpkgbootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.10+nmu1 (lenny), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 280 kB
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15:30.29geophoenixgoogle > remastersys
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15:31.21wwlrthanks
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15:32.46StuckeyHello
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15:33.14icebrainhi
15:33.16StuckeyDoes anyone here know anything about the HP postscript emulation interpreter?
15:33.45arezeyquickly coded channel user count viewing into his client ;P
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15:33.48Stuckey*"HP postscript level 3 emulatoion" is how it is listed on their specification sheet.
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15:37.48jelly-homeStuckey: why do you ask?
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15:38.03Stuckeyjelly-home: I'm looking for a printer and I want something that's postscript compatible
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15:38.28jelly-homeStuckey: it if says it has PS3, it probably has.
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15:38.53Stuckeyjelly-home: Well it's HP's Postscript interpreter, not the adobe original
15:38.59StuckeySo I'm wondering if it actual works like they say it does.
15:39.01patrikfhuh?
15:39.17patrikfStuckey: PS emulation means that the printer isn't operating in PostScript itself
15:39.21patrikfbut can handle it
15:39.26abrotmanStuckey: how is this related to Debian ?
15:39.31d-b-ubundoes any one know how i can buy stickers / stuff from debian direct ? (btw)
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15:39.44Stuckeyabrotman: It's a piece of hardware
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15:40.19abrotmanyeah .. and ask ##hardware ? i'm not sure what the PS3 implementation in a printer has to do with debian ..
15:40.41Stuckeyabrotman: thanks
15:40.46abrotmand-b-ubun: not from debian directly, but there are organizations that sell them and give some of the proceeds to debian
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15:41.24d-b-ubunabrotman: so i should donate directly
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15:41.47abrotmand-b-ubun: if you want to donate money, you send it to SPI
15:41.59d-b-ubunspi ?
15:42.04abrotmanbut if you've got uhm .. 10TB of storage to donate .. that'd be nice :)
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15:42.12asdfqwerhow come is that when i do useradd i can only use my new user in bash?
15:42.13abrotman!tell d-b-ubun about spi
15:42.34hoxuasdfqwer, use adduser, not useradd
15:42.39asdfqwerya
15:42.41asdfqwerthat
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15:43.15kolpuri'm not getting the updates available in the repository ....
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15:43.41kolpurdeb http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
15:43.43asdfqweredit your /etc/apt/sources.list
15:43.48kolpurthis is my sources.list
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15:44.07abrotmankolpur: new packages you mean ?
15:44.11Wyzardpatrikf: "PostScript emulation" just means that the printer implements the PostScript language, but hasn't licensed the PostScript trademark
15:44.29asdfqwerkolpur: use this url instead
15:44.34asdfqwerhttp://http.us.debian.org/debian
15:44.41abrotmanthat won't matter
15:44.46patrikfWyzard: oh
15:45.05abrotmankolpur: new packages you mean ?
15:45.12Wyzardpatrikf: It's HP's implementation of the PostScript language, rather than an official Adobe(tm) PostScript(tm) interpreter
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15:45.38patrikfWyzard: it wasn't me that was asking though
15:45.39kolpurnew packages i meant newer versions
15:46.01nfx333hello
15:46.05Wyzardyeah...  I was going to tell Stuckey that I have a LaserJet 1300 and he should consider whatever the current descendant of that model is, but it seems he left
15:46.13nfx333really lenny`s iso is generating?
15:46.26asgthey are being generated, yes
15:46.28arezeyyeah
15:46.35abrotmankolpur: because lenny is getting ready to release
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15:46.46bahadunnabrotman: now?
15:46.52abrotmanbahadunn: /topic
15:46.54arezeybahadunn, yep
15:46.56kolpuri even tried testing in the place of lenny
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15:47.01abrotmangets liable to tell everyone to /topic
15:47.07abrotmankolpur: because lenny is getting ready to release
15:47.11nfx333anybody know how long is it?
15:47.23td123nfx333: well, at least 6 or more hourse
15:47.32bahadunnabrotman: dpkg said the same thing a few hours ago
15:47.42asgabrotman: the irony is that the most vocal people asking about stable will never use it
15:47.48themillbahadunn: said what?
15:47.50abrotmanbahadunn: it's been altered .. notice the last bit
15:47.50arezeybahadunn, well it's nothing that happens in ~5 minutes
15:47.53nfx333td123: thx
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15:47.57td123nfx333: they are generating... that means they still have to upload to mirrors because they will crash
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15:47.58abrotmanasg: odd isn't it
15:48.08bahadunnah
15:48.12bahadunnISO generation in progress
15:48.14bahadunnsweet
15:48.20asgabrotman: you should setup a twitter feed and point people at it
15:48.20wwlr!
15:48.22themillamazing how reading helps
15:48.23spersaudthey should have released the OS at 12 AM, (contrast debian with MS which is prepackaged an in store shelves)
15:48.38asgspersaud: 12 AM in which timezone?
15:48.48spersaudasg: hehe :)
15:48.50d-b-ubunactually twitter is neat -> just wget / curl to post ^^
15:48.51td123gmt
15:48.53wwlrasg: lol
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15:49.03jelly-homeasg: the +12 one, naturally
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15:49.13asdfqwerhoxu: ty, adduser is way easier
15:49.13liableasg: uh, i wasnt being vocal abut stable, just about it not being in topic. and just so you cant lable me as one of those, i do use it. so go suck eggs :P
15:49.22Wyzardasg: indeed -- I'm waiting for lenny to be released so that I can start getting things like GNOME 2.24 and kernel 2.6.28 in sid  :-)
15:49.24LjudkortSoon to be.... <3
15:49.24asgjelly-home: quite so
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15:49.30wwlri think they should do the earliest possible one, like GMT +12 one, so who ever wake s up gets LENNY
15:49.38araneaspersaud: they need 60 days from release to shelves
15:49.39Sertsefrom the chat, it's real? cool
15:49.43asgWyzard: granted but it will take time before that will occur after release anyway
15:49.44jaggzI'm trying to install mplayer, compiled from source, but it requires libconfhelper-perl which, when I try to install it, wants to install mplayer-nogui -- which I don't think I want, right?
15:50.04spersaudaranea: you sound like an EX MICROSOFT worker
15:50.12Wyzardasg: I know, but the end of the freeze is a step in the right direction
15:50.17spersaudaranea: I wonder how many bugs they could have fixed in those 60 days
15:50.22liableasg: whilst you guys have been asleep, i have seen the lenny release thing all fucking day. so yes, i was vocal about it being in topic now that its known that it is actually happening
15:50.24jaggzbut I can't find a solution which seems to work
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15:50.42patrikfseconds the idea of a lenny release twitter feed
15:50.46jaggzwhen installing libconfhelper-perl it wants to install libggi-target-vcsa and mplayer-nogui
15:50.58asgWyzard: indeed it is
15:51.01wwlrjaggz:  may i suggest #mplayer for compiling from source?
15:51.05jaggzk
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15:51.29jaggzgoing there.. although this is a dependency thing with debian and I'm not sure what response I'll get there
15:51.41Maiorjaggz: was trivial to build for me
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15:51.44wwlrit was just a sgugestion
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15:51.56mageshcsehi
15:51.59s_20jesus, almost 900 people
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15:52.21arezeywonder will we get to 1k users here
15:52.25nfx333(%
15:52.30mageshcsecan any body tell me when is the next debian release scheduled for????
15:52.31jaggzit built okay.. but the dpkg install isn't happy yet.
15:52.36arezeymageshcse, today
15:52.38stewmageshcse: today
15:52.44s_20mageshcse: today
15:52.47arezeyheh
15:52.48asgliable: perhaps a little nap is in order so when you wake, it will be ready for you.
15:52.56mageshcsedebian 5
15:52.58mageshcse????
15:52.59mageshcse???
15:53.02arezeyyeah
15:53.03Sertseyes today
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15:53.10arezeyand please use less question marks
15:53.10liableasg: hmm, you didnt actually read what i said did you? :/
15:53.16ham5today!
15:53.20mageshcseare u sure.... hope not the development version?
15:53.22wwlrmageshcse: today
15:53.25beardy!u
15:53.26dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
15:53.27arezeymageshcse, yep.
15:53.36arezeythey're making cd iso:s at the moment
15:53.41Sertseare we already on the post mortem what could people have done better game already?
15:53.45mageshcseok
15:53.48mageshcsethankyou
15:53.52arezeymageshcse, /msg dpkg lenny status
15:54.05liableasg: it would be appreciated if you did rather than being a smug prick
15:54.25asgliable: I'm not, I just don't see what the big deal is
15:54.35jamonrelease day brings out the best in everyone huh?
15:54.40arezeyyep
15:54.44s_20jamon: always
15:54.49ham5every so offten some one just say 'today'
15:54.50arezeybtw what's the next release codename?
15:54.56stewarezey: squeeze
15:55.03arezeysqueeze? ok...
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15:55.16s_20arezey: he's not even kidding
15:55.17wwlri am trying to install remastersys, but it gives me error, unmet dependencies Depends: casper  but it is not installable Depends: ubiquity  but it is not installable
15:55.18arezeycan't remember such character in toy story.
15:55.26stewarezey: the 3 eyed alien squeze toys
15:55.35arezeyah, those.
15:55.36Sertseit's not the release guys, it's the unfreezing that's exciting ;)
15:55.45jamoni hear squeeze, i think argybargy
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15:55.54abrotmani think The Who
15:56.00jamonthat too :)
15:56.14Wyzardoh, so "squeeze" is from Toy Story 1?
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15:56.16JordiGHI think "my main squeeze".
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15:56.30WyzardI'd heard that "etch" was the last name from the original movie that hadn't been used by Debian yet
15:56.34d-b>900 people !
15:56.36toad_is there any way to read a .docx with the packages in lenny ?
15:56.36mageshcsewhere can i download the debian 5 now
15:56.40mageshcseany links
15:56.41Wyzard(other than the toy car named RC Buggy, which would be a terrible name for a release)
15:56.47d-btoad_: with open office.org
15:56.47abrotmanWyzard: yes from TS1
15:56.56toad_d-b: is 2.x
15:57.04asgWyzard: that would be rather apropos(1) though
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15:57.05d-btoad_: it will still work. ^^
15:57.06patrikfd-b, not yet.
15:57.06Wyzardstill hasn't actually seen TS2
15:57.14patrikfwell, now it's >900 ppl.
15:57.14toad_d-b: ooo 2.4 has backported support for docx?
15:57.23d-btoad_: yeah.
15:57.29toad_ok thanks
15:57.32jaggzhow do I search for a package which depends on another?
15:57.41superjet_there will be toy 3, may be debian should say hello to the director for better name to use for future...
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15:57.57jaggz(for all installed packages depending on a given-name'd package)
15:58.01spersaudwhere is the official release party going to be ? NY ? LA ? Europe ?
15:58.03JordiGHsuperjet_: We're not gonna run out of toys any time soon.
15:58.19superjet_JordiGH: :)
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15:58.46geophoenix1 more
15:58.46abrotmanspersaud: they already started
15:59.04JordiGHabrotman: Are they listed anyways?
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15:59.06Wyzardhmm, apparently TS2 has a character named "Stinky Pete"...  will we someday see a Debian release codenamed "stinky"?
15:59.10JordiGHwonders if there's one nearby.
15:59.15arezeyhahah
15:59.19geophoenixYEAH
15:59.19abrotmanJordiGH: they wouldn't invite you
15:59.27geophoenix900 users online
15:59.31JordiGHabrotman: Now that damog's gone, they might!
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16:00.32asdfqwerif i'm using a kernel release for amd64 and x86_64 as my machine type will this cause problems?
16:00.36m3ltdownwhat's the name of that tool that searches for an occurance of a pattern within files in the current directory and lists the file-name and line-number then? :/
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16:00.52patrikfasdfqwer: amd64 and x86_64 is the same thing
16:00.53zophyis there a cooler system monitor than gkrellm ?
16:00.56themillm3ltdown: grep
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16:01.09Wyzardasdfqwer: no, "amd64" is correct for Intel x86_64 processors
16:01.10asdfqwerpatrikf: how many machine types are there?
16:01.20asdfqweruname -m
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16:01.30JordiGHm3ltdown: grep
16:01.38arezeym3ltdown, grep
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16:01.44patrikfasdfqwer: many. for a list of those supported by linux, consult the linux source, for those supported by debian, debian.org.
16:01.48Wyzardasdfqwer: (Intel's "x86_64" is just another name for "amd64" -- AMD implemented it first in their own processors, then Intel copied it)
16:01.59asdfqwerlittle boogers
16:01.59JordiGHm3ltdown: Btw, alias grep='grep --colour=auto' ;-)
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16:02.31m3ltdownerm, yes, but what parameters should one use for that purpose? i want it to search the whole subdirectory-tree, not just files i specified as argument
16:02.45arezeym3ltdown, man grep
16:02.46patrikfm3ltdown: read man grep
16:03.09m3ltdownholy crep
16:03.13spersaudasdfqwer: I think it will even run on a rolex watch ... I saw an article about this
16:03.17bahadunnwhat will the new testing code name be?
16:03.21abrotmansqueeze
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16:03.31JordiGH!wwsr
16:03.31dpkgBut Lenny isn't even out yet! Squeeze is the version after Lenny.
16:03.43JordiGHRelease date on squeeze, NAO!
16:03.46bahadunnokay
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16:03.56arezeyheh
16:04.04asdfqwerspersaud: hah! what would x86 machine?
16:04.53abrotmani386 ?
16:05.26mageshcsehey debian 5 development release is only available
16:05.39arezeyit's not out *yet*
16:05.41asdfqwerabrotman: aren't these interchangeable?
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16:05.54asdfqweri mean, the terminology
16:06.02d-bhi how can i remount / and turn an option off ( like mount -o remount,nodiratime / -> but say i wanted to disable it ...)
16:06.23abrotmanmageshcse: you can install it now, just make sure you point your sources at lenny
16:06.24spersaudasdfqwer: what kind of machine do you have ?
16:06.24mageshcsearezey actually the stable lenny is to be released today right
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16:06.31simplechatd-b, umount then mount
16:06.33arezeymageshcse, yep, but not *yet*
16:06.36simplechateasy way
16:06.50d-bsimplechat: its my / (root)
16:06.50miksuhmageshcse: yeah, but lenny is not released yet
16:06.58d-bnot so easy.
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16:07.06mageshcsearezey will get released with today
16:07.08mageshcsearezey will get released within today
16:07.12simplechatd-b, you can do it to your /, with some provisos
16:07.19asdfqwerspersaud: when i uname -m it tells me x86_64, but my cpu and mobo is for amd
16:07.20arezeynever knew he was a computer program
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16:07.38mageshcsearezey sorry will it get released within today
16:07.43arezeyshould
16:07.49simplechatd-b, i'm off
16:07.50gewthm
16:07.50asdfqwerspersaud: i'm still using the amd64 kernel release though
16:07.51simplechattoo late for me
16:07.54gewtit's the 14th.
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16:08.09Sertsegosh, from 5-6 people reply "today", at exactly the same moment.... I think it's trustworthy to just...believe without further questions
16:08.10arezeygewt, it will also be 14th after a couple of hours. patience!
16:08.25themillcongratulates gewt on being able to read the calendar
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16:09.30Sertsechannel limit, we won't get the 1000 users then?
16:09.45miksuh6 hours left of this 14th day here :)
16:09.52arezeysertse, the channel limit is dynamic
16:09.53sjokkishow do you guys suggest making a personal file server available over the net? is vpn the best solution, or should i look into other things?
16:09.53d-boh.... damn we can't get there?
16:10.06arezeysertse, debhelper increases it as users join
16:10.06d-bsjokkis: sftp
16:10.15Sertseahh ok thanks
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16:10.24sjokkisd-b: i want to mount it, tho. it holds my music collection etc
16:10.27sjokkiscan sftp do that?
16:10.32arezeysertse, i gues it's to prevent join floods..
16:10.34d-bah... sshfs
16:11.02gewtsshfs!
16:11.03sjokkisok. thanks
16:11.17Maior<3 sshfs
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16:13.45superjet_samba more faster
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16:14.10DevilChaoshaving a few problems configuring xserver with my laptop it should just work but think i am missing something in /etc/X11/xorg.conf it doesnt have the usual stuff like what driver im using and when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i dont get aked what driver to use etc it goes staright to the framebuffer question ?
16:14.23OpenTokix<3 openvpn and nfs
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16:15.10DevilChaosi have been msg'ing dpkg for info but no luick
16:15.15DevilChaosluck
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16:15.28jnuddgood morning everyone, I am trying desperately to troubleshoot a conflict with my lvm2 volume and a usb disk connected to my server. Looks like the usb disk took over /dev/sda1, which is also used by my /boot partition. What can I do to fix this?
16:15.40stewDevilChaos: this is expected.  the x server can detect that stuff automatically at runtime now
16:15.41cahootDevilChaos: already tried without any xorg.conf at all?
16:15.46superjet_DevilChaos: modify it by hand or copy it from livecd
16:16.04abrotmanDevilChaos: lenny xorg tries to figure it out .. use X -configure if you want a generated xorg.conf
16:16.15stewDevilChaos: if the autodetection isn't working for you, you can make the xorg.conf more specific by editing it by hand.  or you can use X -configure to generate a detailed one
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16:17.05DevilChaoscoolio trying now
16:17.05n0nsenseuii
16:17.11n0nsenselenny in progress :>
16:17.29n0nsensei wonder how the next testing will be called...
16:17.44miksuhsqeeze
16:17.48n0nsenseah
16:17.49miksuhsqueeze
16:17.51n0nsensenice :-)
16:17.54arezeysqueeze
16:18.00n0nsensesqueeze
16:18.02n0nsense:-D
16:18.07arezeysqueeze! pour all of the water out from the sponge!
16:18.10OpenTokixjnudd: add labels to your boot partitons etc. - and change grub to use LABEL instead of devices.
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16:18.31n0nsensearezey: sponge bob? :-D
16:18.41arezeymaybe him too if you wish
16:18.42superjet_when release news will be put onto homepage?
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16:19.00geophoenix901
16:19.19geophoenixdamn it we lost one
16:19.26geophoenixcomeback
16:19.27jnuddopentokix: I assume I use tune2fs to add a label, right?
16:19.39arezeysuperjet_, http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
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16:20.25abrotmansuperjet_: it hasn't been released technically yet
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16:20.41OpenTokixjnudd: yes
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16:21.07superjet_arezey: have it already :)
16:21.29superjet_abrotman: yes, just curious
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16:22.12sjokkishrm. for a file server, do i want raid10 or raid01?
16:22.13kolpurhi...  i'm facing a different problem that my bookmarks are not being saved .. when i restart my system i'm unable to see my bookmarks
16:22.19sjokkisit's for home use. movies, music etc
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16:22.31sjokkisi'm using raid5 now and it's insanely slow
16:22.33spersaudcompiz fusion is now in lenny right ?
16:22.39superjet_yes
16:22.40Wyzardsjokkis: raid5 is slow for writing
16:22.42MarkJonesNo Lenny today huh?
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16:22.50stewMarkJones: lenny today
16:22.53themill!topicsmite MarkJones
16:22.53dpkgAnd the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon MarkJones.  And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken.  And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
16:22.55sjokkisWyzard: slow for reading too, here
16:22.55Wyzardsjokkis: raid10 performs better but takes more disks to get equivalent available storage space
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16:23.01sjokkisbut yes, especially writing
16:23.03jnuddtune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda1" I assume that's because my USB disk is NTFS, do I have to format the drive now?
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16:23.37sjokkisWyzard: my raid5 might just be useless because all the disks are connected through a sata controller card
16:23.46sjokkisat least two of them are. i can't quite remember
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16:23.57Wyzardsjokkis: Why would that make the RAID useless?
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16:24.29sjokkisbecause the entire array is accessed through a single PCI bus
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16:24.46Wyzardsjokkis: I doubt that matters...  the PCI bus is far faster than any disk
16:24.47jnuddopentokix: do I have to format my usb drive since it's ntfs?
16:25.07Wyzardsjokkis: unless you have a huge number of drives or something
16:25.12jnuddopentokix: I get: tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda1" I assume that's because my USB disk is NTFS, do I have to format the drive now?
16:25.28sjokkisWyzard: just three
16:25.34Wyzardsjokkis: That should be fine
16:25.45sjokkisi kinda hate how raid5 forces me to use the same size disk when i upgrade tho
16:25.55Wyzardsjokkis: That's true of any RAID level
16:26.00OpenTokixjnudd: one can assume you have to remove the usb-disk first
16:26.05MarkJonesIm not sure why they keep releasing r5 r6 r7 releases like every week it seems.Seems kinda pointless doing it that often.
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16:26.24Wyzardsjokkis: well, except append, but that doesn't really count
16:26.28sjokkistrue
16:26.32jnuddopentokix: my problem is that the usb-disk is attached to a server which is 100 km away from here... any other way to just disable the device?
16:26.44OpenTokixThis is truely bizarre - I installed etch and a half on a machine, netinst - but now when machine is booted - it can't seem to use the network card, the same card it used a few minutes ago
16:26.59OpenTokixjnudd: dunno, actually
16:27.09Wyzardsjokkis: You can put in a bigger disk, but the extra space won't be usable...  however, if you replace *all* your disks with bigger ones, you can expand the array into the new space
16:27.10sjokkisWyzard: you think raid5 is good, or would you rather recommend raid10/raid01?
16:27.10asgMarkJones: the rX releases were 2 months apart
16:27.12OpenTokixjnudd: why are you using usb-drives on a server?
16:27.22OpenTokixjnudd: are you connected thru ipmi or something?
16:27.30Wyzardsjokkis: I switched from 3-disk raid5 to 4-disk raid10 a few months ago for performance reasons
16:27.39MarkJonesHey there doesnt happen to be any Boss BR-1600 recording studio owners here are there? Wondered if the USB works on Debian or linux in general? Just thought I would ask. I just ordered one.
16:27.40sjokkiswhat is your array used for?
16:27.43jnuddopentokix: old server, only 72 gigs of storage, wanted to do an offsite rsync on it
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16:28.06Wyzardsjokkis: personal desktop that doubles as a personal fileserver
16:28.13sjokkissame as me then
16:28.15geophoenix905 :)
16:28.32Wyzardsjokkis: ~100GB of Linux distro CD/DVD images, a bunch of virtual machines, etc.
16:28.32sjokkisif i choose to move to raid10, could i get a single disk now, then add another for raid1, and then two more for raid10 later?
16:28.41jnuddopentokix: no ipmi, just ssh
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16:29.16OpenTokixjnudd: ok
16:29.16Wyzardsjokkis: I've been thinking that it might be better to use a separate machine for the fileserver and have a smaller and faster disk for the desktop machine though
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16:29.25sjokkisit would. that's what i'm doing
16:29.52Wyzardsjokkis: On a separate fileserver machine, performance isn't such an issue, and I'd probably switch back to raid5
16:29.56sjokkis(causality goes from the first sentence to the second. not opposite)
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16:30.31stewabrotman: btw thanks,  i've got a who song stuck in my head now
16:30.34WyzardI just got tired of having my desktop more or less lock up due to I/O starvation when I was writing out a big file to the array
16:31.02sjokkishrm. i should test the read and write speed of my array
16:31.09asgstew: Pinball Wyzard?
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16:31.32Wyzardflips his arms and bounces a silver ball around
16:31.33stewasg: momma's got a squeeze box
16:31.50asgWyzard: TILT TILT TILT
16:31.54Wyzardfalls over
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16:32.26xxspeedalright i got lenny installed
16:32.44xxspeedhow can i make aptitude download pentium4 optimized packages
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16:32.50Wyzardsjokkis: Anyway, changing RAID levels is tricky...  you can't really do it in-place
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16:33.17DevilChaosdoes the xorg.conf file have to be in the root dir now?
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16:33.30d-bxxspeed: ... apt-build can *build* them but i don't think you are going to find pentium4 optimized packages. you can get amd64 -> i686 package compile optimized and (higher)
16:33.48stewxxspeed: you first have to find somwhere that provices pentium4 optomized packages, debian doesn't
16:34.02iceninewhy not
16:34.02Wyzardsjokkis: When I switched my system from raid5 to raid10, I did it by installing the new disk, then pulling one of the three disks out of my 3-disk raid5 (making it degraded), then used the two free disks to make a degraded raid10, copied all the data over to it, and finally removed the raid5 array and added those two disks to the new raid10, making it complete
16:34.09sjokkisWyzard: i know i have to move everything
16:34.11iceninewhy would I run i386 code on my pentium4
16:34.23d-bxxspeed: better off wit ha compiled customised kernel.
16:34.24sjokkisthat's not really a problem
16:34.25iceninethat's like putting regular gasoline in a mercedes
16:34.34d-bicenine: not really.
16:34.39themillicenine: in what way.
16:34.39RienzillaI put regular gasoline in my mercedes every time :)
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16:34.50Rienzillaand I run i386 apps :)
16:34.51cahoota diesel merc?
16:34.52icenineyou're wasting power if you run unoptimized code
16:34.55Rienzillano
16:34.59icenineevery extra instruction pumps co2 into the air
16:35.01themillicenine: explain that some more
16:35.01d-bicenine: its not that bad.
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16:35.13stewicenine: the amount of benefit of compiling cpu specific optimized packages is tiny compared to the huge amount of disk space /bandwidth it would take for the mirrors
16:35.16d-byou spend more energy in total optimizing
16:35.22iceninethemill, well al gore wouldn't be very proud
16:35.35icenineand you know al gore he runs gentoo
16:35.45Wyzardicenine: Most programs don't really benefit from being compiled with P4-specific optimizations
16:35.46monkey_d_luffyWhat the problem with gimp and print screen?   "there is no image data in the clipboard to paste"    This has happened to me since the dawn of time, well since I'm using Debian, for 3 or 4 years now.   While I can paste the image fine in krita (right now my laptop doesn't has it, but my desktop does and this problem happens there too).
16:35.47d-bicenine: that's his business not ours
16:35.52Rienzillaal gore is wrong anyway ;)
16:35.54monkey_d_luffyI'm using KDE
16:35.58avuobvious troll is obvious
16:36.15Wyzardicebrain: For things that do benefit from optimization for newer processors, like the kernel and libc, there are -686 packages available
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16:36.40iceninewhat? who's trolling. that guy thinks h e needs p4 packages. lol
16:36.49icenineI'm being facetious
16:36.53d-bicenine: you are wanting a kick ?
16:37.08iceninefor what? having a sense of humor?
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16:37.34xxspeedwell thanks guys
16:37.35piper69howdy all
16:37.46xxspeedi'm gonna look for an optimized source
16:38.05themill!gentoosmite xxspeed
16:38.05dpkgspends 8 weeks recompiling xxspeed, and when it's all done, xxspeed runs 0.7% faster than previously
16:38.16DevilChaosdamn it i get no screens found now
16:38.19sjokkisWyzard: my raid5 array gets 55mb/s reads
16:38.26xxspeedhow else am i going to run gnome and kde
16:38.28sjokkisthat's actually not terrible
16:38.30xxspeedthat bloatware
16:38.31sjokkis(i think)
16:38.33xxspeedneeds to be optimized
16:38.34piper69i am asking for an opinion , how can i setup an account for my friend to use my debian box, for FTP
16:38.40themillxxspeed: huh?
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16:38.54xxspeedwell if I use ratpoision or ion i can have like 20 firefox youtube tabs
16:39.01xxspeedbut if i use gnome I can only have like a few
16:39.21Wyzardsjokkis: my raid10 gets 113
16:39.25themillwhat bs
16:39.26silencio01somebody from France?
16:39.30sjokkisWyzard: damn
16:39.31themill!fr
16:39.31xxspeedalso doesn't help that i'm running apache to serve my dungeons and dragons website
16:39.32dpkgPour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net.  French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
16:39.43Wyzardsjokkis: that's the "buffered disk reads" number from hdparm -tT
16:40.04s_20isn't it kinda pointless to have the message in both french *and* english? ;)
16:40.09sjokkisWyzard: same
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16:40.37Wyzardsjokkis: That can be influenced by the disks themselves, though, not just the use of RAID...  FWIW, I'm using four Seagate 750GB Barracuda disks
16:41.45cahoots_20: look upon it as a small language course
16:41.47Wyzardsjokkis: btw, the "cached disk reads" number (which should be much higher) tells you how fast data can be transferred from the disks to the CPU through the controller and over the PCI bus
16:42.12Wyzardsjokkis: As I'm sure you can see, your PCI  bus is not the bottleneck, the physical disk access is
16:42.42sjokkisyea
16:42.58silencio01Some body know if Lenny was relesed?
16:42.59sjokkiscached disk reads was 270mb/s
16:43.07sjokkisread*
16:43.08abrotmansilencio01: /topic
16:43.19silencio01ok :D
16:43.38Wyzardhmm, that's lower than I'd expected -- mine was 3.2GB/s
16:43.45OpenTokixwow
16:43.48OpenTokixlenny today =)
16:43.52arezeyyeah
16:43.53Wyzardthough I'm using PCIe -- if you're using plain PCI, that's less surprising, I guess
16:43.55OpenTokixthat would be soooo perfect timeing wise =)
16:43.57OpenTokixfor me =)
16:44.00sjokkisregular PCI yes
16:44.05arezeyopentokix, how so?
16:44.23Wyzardstill, plenty fast enough for the disks
16:44.29sjokkisWyzard: maybe i should just get a single drive to grow my raid5 a bit, and invest in a proper computer to put them in
16:44.43OpenTokixarezey: I am installing nine new machines today, going to the US (from sweden) to install them in the rack on the 6:th of March =)
16:44.57OpenTokixarezey: and I just noticed that one of the machines need lenny to get the NIC to work =)
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16:45.05arezeyaha
16:45.06Wyzardsjokkis: The thing that holds me back from putting my array in a separate fileserver is that then I have to deal with something like NFS or samba, neither of which I really like much
16:45.08sjokkisWyzard: a motherboard, two gigs ram and a cpu isn't expensive really
16:45.12OpenTokixarezey: It is perfect =)
16:45.22sjokkisright now these drives are in my media centre
16:45.26sjokkiswhich is kinda lame really
16:45.27miksuhicenine: it's ridiculous to say that running i386 OS on P4 would waste energy. A lot more matters if you use power svaing features like frequency sclaing etc.
16:45.34sjokkissince it shouldn't be noisy
16:45.35miksuhscaling
16:45.48miksuhsawing
16:45.50miksuhdamn typos
16:45.53sjokkisand if i move those drives out i could get away with a much slimmer case for the htpc
16:45.58miksuhsaving
16:46.01miksuhargh
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16:46.38monkey_d_luffyDoes anyone else has problems with GIMP and KDE?  I'm unable to paste from clipboard!
16:46.52sjokkisWyzard: yeah, i think i'm just gonna add one more drive to my raid
16:46.53Vincent0ne-hmmm I thought i386 OS really ment the architechture
16:46.55OldMonkmonkey_d_luffy: checking...
16:47.06sjokkisWyzard: thanks for your advice
16:47.12Wyzardyou're welcome
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16:48.38sjokkisactually, one more question. how many drives would you consider optimal for raid5?
16:48.40enouftells miksuh: and icenine about ACPI and DPMS modes :-p
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16:48.55miksuhVincent0ne-: you can run 32bit OS on 64bit hardware. Eg i386 version of Debian on 64bit computer
16:49.18epsilonsjokkis: in classic raid5 term 3+
16:49.39sjokkisof course 3+. but is there some upper limit where it's better to make a new array rather than keep growing?
16:49.46themillmonkey_d_luffy: I see the same behaviour.
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16:49.49Vincent0ne-I get u there
16:49.55Wyzardsjokkis: I *think* I've read somewhere that 4 drives is the "sweet spot" for raid5, but all I can do is repeat what I've heard elsewhere; I don't know myself
16:50.04epsilonsjokkis: hm, 8 + hotspare?
16:50.09enoufi think all concerned need to speak of kernelland/userland when talking of 32/64bit things
16:50.11Vincent0ne-I used to run 32 bit OpenSuSE on a 64 bit machines
16:50.13OpenTokixWyzard: if you have more then 4, raid6 + hot spare is always a nice option
16:50.56OldMonkmonkey_d_luffy: copy from OOo draw to gimp is working; copy from konqueror to gimp isn't
16:51.09monkey_d_luffyOldMonk and themill:  I just noticed that I can screenshot gimp's own window, but I'm unable to do it with an opengl application (window mode)
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16:51.47jamonraid6 is going to be better the larger your array becomes
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16:52.15Wyzardjamon: I assume you mean in terms of safety, not performance
16:52.16monkey_d_luffyOldMonk: you just made my day... I didn't knew I could paste a screenshot with konqueror
16:52.22monkey_d_luffyburns gimp
16:52.25monkey_d_luffy:)
16:52.37jamonWyzard: yeah, problem with raid 5 is if an error occurs during recovery you're hosed
16:52.44jamonwhereas raid6 stores 2 parity bits
16:52.50Wyzardyep
16:52.50OldMonkmonkey_d_luffy: you may pay me now ;)
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16:53.14Walexjamon: http://WWW.BAARF.com/
16:53.23avtobiff17:46 <@Ginzor> 34.69 % mainstream
16:53.26avtobiffwtf
16:53.35Wyzardjamon: I haven't used raid6, but I've read that it's slightly slower than raid5 in the one-disk-failed case, and very slow when two disks fail
16:53.38jamonoh i like that one Wyzard ;)
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16:54.11monkey_d_luffyOldMonk: I use FOSS... I'm poor :p
16:54.13Wyzardjamon: If you're referring to that baarf.com link, that wasn't me
16:54.20OpenTokixWyzard: who cares about performance with failed disks?
16:54.24jamonah right, thanks Walex
16:54.38jamonOpenTokix: well recovery and hotswapping in a live server
16:54.40OldMonkmonkey_d_luffy: i use it too, and i am too, hence the suggestion :)
16:55.06Walexjamon: let's say it is very controversial, and there are plenty of people who like RAID5 and RAID6, but I think that they are bad news like the BAARF.com people.
16:55.08WyzardOpenTokix: mostly for speed of recovery
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16:55.21TrewasWyzard: raid5 with two failed disks does not exist anymore, if you care about that raid6 is infinitely better :)
16:55.33WalexLinux has a particularly nice sw RAID10 implementation, and RAID10 is by far the best "generic" choice.
16:55.46monkey_d_luffyOldMonk: I thought monks had no need for wealth ;)
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16:56.01WyzardTrewas: true
16:56.09OldMonkmonkey_d_luffy: i'm no more a monk than you're a monkey :)
16:56.22SAZGood morning.
16:56.41SAZIs there any known problem with gfs2 on lenny?
16:56.43WyzardTrewas: though I've actually recovered a raid5 with two disks lost (one of them hadn't actually failed, just had an I/O timeout caused by a bad cable that caused the md driver to kick it out of the array)
16:56.44enoufand some of us are apes
16:56.52OpenTokixWyzard: Depends very much on your controller, but it will always be slow - since it is the disk that puts the limit in the recovery speed.
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16:57.11monkey_d_luffyOldMonk: haha ;)
16:57.17OldMonkenouf: i'll be sure to keep that in mind and hide the bananas
16:57.32OpenTokixWyzard: but with a good controller you can probably get an array in good condition in about an hour
16:57.32Pa0l0salve chi parla italiano ?
16:57.37SAZIf I try to run apache2 configured with a docroot on a gfs2 volume, it is showing a kernel bug in glock.c:1134
16:57.39OpenTokixWyzard: with a hot spare, you are pretty safe with raid6
16:57.43LabanI'm quite new to debian, used linux for a few years though. Having some problems with apt. It won't install build-essential for me. Searching finds it, but then it won't install. Ideas+
16:57.47Laban?
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16:57.49Laban# aptitude install build-essential
16:57.54LabanNo candidate version found for build-essential
16:57.55enouf!it
16:57.55dpkgCiao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:58.31Labanroot@joel:/etc/apt# apt-cache search build-essential
16:58.31Labanbuild-essential - informational list of build-essential packages
16:58.34enoufLaban: what about apt-get install ...?
16:58.41Labansame result
16:59.02enoufLaban: use -u ,, or check out apt-cache policy
16:59.22LabanNow that I think of it
16:59.27LabanI can't install anything it seems
16:59.27enoufdpkg -l build-essential | tail -n 1
16:59.27dpkgNo packages found matching build-essential | tail -n 1
16:59.40enoufer .. ro on /var ?
17:00.11LabanNo packages found matching build-essential.
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17:00.41LabanHow can it find the package when searching but not when installing?
17:01.00d-bLaban: check your /etc/apt/sources .....
17:01.03LabanIt's AMD64 if that matters btw...
17:01.34Laban<PROTECTED>
17:01.44bzedLaban: put that into a pastebin.
17:01.48enoufLaban: check that your /lists is in order too
17:01.52Labandeb       http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/         etch main contrib non-free
17:01.55JemtI read that Debian would be released today - can anyone verify that ?
17:02.00Labanthe other lines are commented out
17:02.01JemtDebian Lenny that is
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17:02.09bzedJemt: yes
17:02.15JemtSweet! :D
17:02.23enouf!topicsmite Jemt
17:02.23dpkgAnd the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Jemt.  And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken.  And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
17:02.25JemtHopefully all mirrors will be updated :)
17:02.29d-bLaban: .... dude please enable the security mirror ....
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17:02.37wwlrJemt: yes
17:02.45JemtHehe :)
17:02.50d-b!security
17:02.50dpkgPut "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security>  Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>.
17:02.53geophoenixis waiting
17:02.53LabanI will. It was just to test if anything would work if I switched mirror
17:02.58sjokkisWyzard: reading about raid10 i'm not sure i agree with you that all raid levels require all disks of the same size
17:03.23enoufLaban: did you run update after adding new mirror and removing all others?
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17:03.58enoufbets you did not
17:04.08sjokkisif you're mirroring disks 1+2 (call those a), and 3+4 (b), and then striping across a+b, there's no reason why the first pair has to be the same size as the second pair
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17:04.27enoufyour cache is still holding the info from your older mirrors, which for some silly reason, you've removed ... sigh
17:05.03Wyzardsjokkis: afaik striping does require the components to be the same size...  otherwise the extra space at the end of one component wouldn't have any corresponding space on the other component to stripe with
17:05.06Labanenouf: Yes I did
17:05.14enoufso .. you have no Packages.gz or whatever for the one mirror you have now listed - nor an entry for it in /lists
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17:06.31damjanI've created a preseed file to automatically install base Debian + some tools like ssh, ntp, smartmontools etc.. Now, I'd also like to set smartd to automatically start, and maybe change some settings in sshd .. can I do that via the preseed file ?
17:06.36enoufand i mean /var/lib/apt/lists
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17:07.00sjokkisWyzard: but you're just adding the two raid1-arrays to a single virtual drive
17:07.05sjokkisthere's no reason why they'd have to be the same size
17:07.20sjokkisit's just lvm...
17:07.35Wyzardsjokkis: You're thinking of append, which is different from striping
17:07.40enoufdamjan: i would look at/to the debconf phase
17:07.44sjokkisWyzard: ah
17:08.00Wyzardsjokkis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_0#RAID_0 -- look at the diagram
17:08.08d-bsjokkis:  are sure that 1 +2 disks striped must be mirrored by disks 3 +4, meaning 3 +5 must be double 1 /2
17:08.20sjokkisWyzard: yeah, seems you're right
17:08.54sjokkisis striping better than appending, tho?
17:08.55damjanenouf: ok.. didn't find out how to enable smartd with debconf.. where to look?
17:09.30Wyzardsjokkis: for performance it's better, but it has the limitation that the drives have to be the same size (appending has no such limitation)
17:09.37Pa0l0ragazzi mi aiutate ho questo server che mi dice questo  mi si blocca di continuo  Read-only file system
17:09.52sjokkisWyzard: writing isn't distributed across drives with append?
17:09.56avtobiff!it
17:09.56dpkgCiao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:10.12Wyzardsjokkis: not contiguous writing
17:10.22enoufheh .. not sure .. but i guess you could use a customized rc.local or something to start a particular service (or to run a script or commands - heck, maybe even cron), or just enable it's symlinks using update-rc.d
17:10.30enoufor any other tool
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17:10.38urkohello
17:11.03urkowhat means /msg dpkg lenny status*
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17:11.22enoufurko: type that into your irc client
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17:11.39enoufurko: with no leading blank spaces
17:11.41urkothnx enouf
17:11.45patrikfurko: send the message "lenny status" to the user (in this case, bot = computer program sitting in IRC) "dpkg"
17:11.48enoufno prob ;-)
17:11.57Labanenouf: There are a bunch of files in /var/lib/apt/lists
17:12.05enoufyes, there should be
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17:12.42Labanhttp://www.pastebucket.net/q6fznp
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17:13.15Wyzardsjokkis: btw, IIRC the Linux "raid10" driver can do some strange things, like making a raid10 array out of five disks
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17:13.37Wyzardsjokkis: in which some data blocks have more redundant copies than others
17:13.40Labanenouf: So why do I still get the error when installing anything? http://www.pastebucket.net/g9hlv8
17:13.49OpenTokixbest raid is the raid0+0
17:13.54OpenTokixfor added fail!
17:13.58Wyzardhehe
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17:15.03enoufLaban: bad timing? the mirrors are being synced? for Lenny release
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17:15.34enoufLaban: show ouput and command of apt-get -s install build-essential - and dpkg -l i showed earlier
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17:16.08damjanenouf: it does have the scripts in /etc/rcx.d/ ... the problem is a enabled=False in /etc/default/
17:17.05damjanone other thing .. does the lenny installer support setting grub and fstab to use UUID insted of device nodes?
17:17.21enoufdamjan: i'm pretty sure you can basically append scripts to do what you need at/towards the end of the preseeding phase - not sure exactly how/what offhand
17:17.24abruptusHi, I'm fairly new to using a linux distribution as a desktop OS and I have a problem: before upgrading debian etch to debian lenny, I could seamlessly install anjuta, now I get an error message:
17:17.52geophoenixstill generating iso
17:17.53damjanenouf: ok.. I'll do that.. I thought maybe there was a more kosher way :)
17:17.58abruptushttp://rafb.net/p/Bl2Fxj23.html
17:17.59enoufdamjan: i'm pretty sure it does that now, automatically - IOW, i think it uses UUIDs only now, instead of /dev/names
17:18.05Labanenouf: The whole output of dpkg -l?
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17:18.19lennarddamjan: my most recent lenny install actually did that by default
17:18.20Labanoh dpkg -l build-essential | tail -n 1
17:18.30damjanenouf: well in my auto-everything preseed didn't use UUIDs
17:18.47damjanenouf: maybe that depends on some package beeing installed?
17:18.53enouf[11:57:48] <enouf> dpkg -l build-essential | tail -n 1
17:18.55enouf[11:57:23] <enouf> Laban: use -u ,, or check out apt-cache policy
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17:19.08damjanthough, when I changed after ward to UUIDs everything worked
17:19.10Labanhttp://www.pastebucket.net/skx97p
17:19.36damjanlennard: did it ask you to use UUIDs
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17:20.09lennardno, it did not
17:20.11lennardit just did
17:20.36lennardit just did use the UUID, that is
17:20.49damjanstrange
17:20.53lennardI noticed when booting
17:20.53enoufLaban: i'm going to blame it on the release of Lenny today, and mirror jostling
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17:21.53Labanenouf: Aww.... :(
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17:22.17Scorpionboypennelol
17:22.37geophoenixdusts off a kitchen towel and slaps it at geophoenix
17:22.41geophoenixpops down the farm, grabs a Shetland Pony and slaps geophoenix with it!
17:22.56geophoenix:P
17:23.01abruptusnew paste: http://rafb.net/p/SFxMZ738.html
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17:23.58enouf!nopony geophoenix
17:23.58dpkggeophoenix: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg
17:24.04sysdefgeophoenix: there is also a test channel called #test
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17:24.48geophoenixwhy ? :'|
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17:24.58simonrvnis going to wait a while before doing any sort of updates ;)
17:25.21sysdef( ... and a bot called shetlandpony )
17:25.27beardyBut it's stable, what can go wrong!
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17:27.06geophoenix912 users online
17:28.06geophoenixdamn it
17:28.11mirakhi
17:28.19mirakhow can I have the options list of a module ?
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17:28.37iormirak: modinfo <module>
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17:28.59gmapi installed a minimal netinst of debian, and I am having trouble installing apache2. I am doing apt-get install apache2 but it is not being found. Any ideas?
17:29.07abruptushas anyone a solution to this error message: http://rafb.net/p/SFxMZ738.html ?
17:29.23abruptusgot* :P
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17:29.59mirakior: thank you
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17:30.26geophoenixgmap: apt-get update , apt-get install apache2 , see your sources.list
17:30.29simonrvnit's release day, it's release day!
17:30.37geophoenixsomeday
17:30.39patrikfabruptus: try to reinstall libgbf-1-0
17:30.43simonrvnTODAY
17:30.54geophoenixone day at the time
17:30.57simonrvn!topicsmite geophoenix
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17:30.57dpkgAnd the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon geophoenix.  And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken.  And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
17:31.01patrikfabruptus: if it doesn't work after that, you'll have to file a bug against libgbf
17:31.06Wyzardis, ironically, downloading the etch r7 businesscard CDs right now
17:31.13patrikfheh
17:31.21simonrvnheh
17:31.22abruptuspatrikf: oh okay I'll try
17:31.35gmapgeophoenix i did apt-get update, and still not working. how do I find my source.list
17:31.49Labangmap: Sounds just like what I'm having trouble with
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17:31.59Labangmap: Recognize this: http://www.pastebucket.net/s3lrj7
17:31.59geophoenixnano /etc/apt/sources.list
17:31.59simonrvngmap: /etc/apt/sources.list
17:32.21abruptuspatrikf: well I can't even remove it
17:32.24patrikfjust executed "sudo" in a root shell
17:32.38patrikfabruptus: aptitude reinstall libgbf-1-0
17:32.47patrikfabruptus: or, I think, "L" in the aptitude GUI
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17:33.23abruptusE: I wasn't able to locate file for the libgbf-1-0 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
17:33.24abruptusE: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download
17:33.40geophoenixwill be back
17:34.32patrikfabruptus: oh. I didn't read the full log.
17:34.49patrikfabruptus: does the error occur with aptitude instead of apt-get as well?
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17:35.29silencio01It will  be new year, :P  soon Lenny
17:35.31abruptuspatrikf: thats what occurs with aptitude
17:35.46patrikfabruptus: I mean installing anjuta
17:35.56patrikfabruptus: at the pastebin, it says apt-get
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17:36.47wwlrcome on its about to be 15th here !
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17:36.57abruptuspatrikf: it's the same error as with apt-get install
17:37.03miksuhabruptus: lenny has libgbf-1-1, not libgbf-1-+
17:37.05miksuhabruptus: lenny has libgbf-1-1, not libgbf-1-0
17:37.11gmapmy sources.list is pretty empty. do i have to manually type the servers in there?
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17:37.35patrikfabruptus: try aptitude install -libgbf-1-0 libgbf-1-1
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17:38.26baf_hello
17:38.56baf_when will lenny be out?
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17:40.26ham5today, and the next one is code named squeeze
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17:41.02baf_ham5: do you know which timezone?
17:41.26ham5they are making the isos as we speek
17:41.53maggot_brainham5: seriously? the isos are being made?
17:42.01abruptuspatrikf: http://rafb.net/p/FlQEvw28.html
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17:42.30baf_hmm and what about repos for disupgrade. Can't wait ... ;-)
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17:43.17abruptusI also tried another solution but that somehow removed too much ... so I canceled that
17:43.45cryingtux!windows managers
17:43.45dpkgThis is #Debian, managers, not #bungholes!
17:43.56abruptusiceweasel was killed so I guess it had to be something a bit more crucial
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17:44.16patrikfabruptus: okay... try: dpkg --force-all --remove libgbf-1-0 libgbf-1-dev
17:44.25Labanenouf: There were bad settings in /etc/apt/preferences
17:44.28cryingtuxwhich windows managers are offered by debian lenny?
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17:44.55patrikfabruptus: if that succeeds, you'll have to: aptitude install libgbf-1-1 libgbf-1-dev
17:45.41vsayikiranabortman: do you remember me just few hours i told that my xserver keeps on crashing for unknown reasons.......my lenny is up to date...still the problem persists.. tell me what to do?
17:46.12vsayikiranabortman: just now few minutes back it crashed
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17:48.11abruptuspatrikf: thanks! installing anjuta also succeeded!
17:48.26patrikfabruptus: do you know how to submit a bug report to the debian bug tracker?
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17:48.31wwlrcryingtux: kde3.5, kde 4, gnome,fluxbox,blackbox, some otherrs
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17:48.48vsayikiranabrotman: do you remember me just few hours back i told that my xserver keeps on crashing for unknown reasons.......my lenny is up to date...still the problem persists.. tell me what to do? i have submitted bug report report also
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17:49.46abruptuspatrikf: no, not yet
17:49.47cryingtuxwwlr:kde4 too?
17:50.14cryingtuxi would want jwm if available on lenny
17:50.25miksuhvsayikiran: do you use fglrx
17:50.33wwlrcryingtux: sorry not kde4, but has backports
17:50.40wwlryou can install kde4 like a charm, no biggy
17:50.42wwlrits quite stable
17:50.50patrikfabruptus: well, you should file one for libgbf-1-dev, include http://rafb.net/p/FlQEvw28.html in your report
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17:51.00wwlrcryingtux: yeah prolly it will have jwm
17:51.02vsayikiranmiksuh: how can i find that
17:51.11enoufLaban: nice
17:51.18cryingtuxwwlr: jwm is kool if available
17:51.50patrikfabruptus: (but copy the information to your bug report, because the paste will disappear sometime)
17:52.04wwlrcryingtux: i am using lenny, i have experimental repos, so synaptic is showing jwm, cant say 100% but MOST probably yeah
17:52.06abruptuspatrikf: is there any guideline for making a report?
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17:52.20cryingtuxi would love to do netinstall , tried on daily built iso`s of lenny previously and it was a charm to get lenny that way
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17:52.44vsayikiranmiksuh: how can i know that my lenny uses fglrx
17:52.45wwlrhey guys i found  a bug in lenny......i.e "its not released yet"
17:52.53miksuhvsayikiran: well if you don't know that then you can be sure you don't use fglrx :)
17:53.00cryingtuxwwlr :)
17:53.05patrikfabruptus: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
17:53.14vsayikiranmiksuh: hey please tell me i want to know
17:53.43cryingtuxwwlr: isnt enabling experimental repos a bit risky?
17:53.43baf_wwlr: i am confirming that as a bug. Its fairly reproducible
17:53.46vsayikiranmiksuh: atleast tell me for GODS sake...:-(
17:54.03miksuhvsayikiran: you ned to install fglrx drivers, it's not used by default. So if you have not installed then obviously you don't use it :)
17:54.15stewvsayikiran: /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you which driver is being used
17:54.36wwlrbaf_: its 1 hour to 15th feb here GMT +5!
17:54.45vsayikiranmiksuh: so should i install it to solve the xserver crash problem
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17:54.52abruptuspatrikf: and how sure are you, that this is a bug?
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17:55.14cryingtuxwwrl: GMT +5?
17:55.25patrikfabruptus: I am certain ;-) nothing serious though, but annoying
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17:55.50wwlrcryingtux: experimental.........well not much if you know what you are doing, i had them for radeon drivers, thats all
17:56.00wwlryeah GMT +5 , my timezone
17:56.11patrikfabruptus: the debian packaging should prevent such things from happening
17:56.40cryingtuxwwlr: we have same time zone i guess
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17:56.48miksuhvsayikiran: fglrx is ATI's proprietary driver for the ATI gfx cards. I just asked if you use it because I have had åroblems with latest fglrx drivers
17:56.54gmapcan someone help with this message
17:56.56gmappackage apache2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean tat the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. E: Package apache2 has no installation canditate.
17:57.10miksuhproblems
17:57.12vsayikiranmiksuh: fglrx is not installed, please see my bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502004 and suggest me what should i do
17:57.23wwlrcryingtux: you from South asia ?
17:57.40cryingtuxyes
17:57.41silencio01apt-get update ?
17:57.54vsayikiranmiksuh: my lappy does not have any ATI graphics card, i use Intel graphics accelerator
17:58.14maggot_brainvsayikiran: do the crashes happen when you use Open Office?
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17:58.35gmapsilencio01 i did update a few times, still no cigar
17:58.37abruptuspatrikf: hmm okay... now when I start anjuta through the shell, it is completely different looking than it was before
17:58.38baf_wwlr: at my place they have 5 hours left ;-)
17:58.49vsayikiranmaggot_brain: no, but more oftenly with firefox or any other browser
17:59.12vsayikiranmaggot_brain: i never had to use open office so i cant say
17:59.17wwlrtick tock tick tock
17:59.46maggot_brainvsayikiran: I had an issue with OO.o crashing my X server on Arch with ATI drivers but I heard it also happened with Intel, something to do with font rendering
17:59.48silencio01wwlr: :D
17:59.53patrikfabruptus: no clue on that, that may be totally fine
18:00.14baf_wwlr: same mood here
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18:00.15abruptusI don't have a projects tab
18:00.32vsayikiranmaggot_brain: yes if you read my bug report it says cryllic font is not installed smth like that, some rping() error
18:00.42abruptushmm why did I even upgrade to lenny *sniff*
18:00.43wwlrits 14th feb and they are breakign our hearts!
18:00.47patrikfabruptus: as I said, I don't know anjuta, maybe check with the homepage and any screenshots, maybe the UI changed
18:00.48maggot_brainvsayikiran: the main thing is trying to make the crash reproducible, i.e. finding something or process that is guaranteed to crash the X server
18:01.14maggot_brainvsayikiran: did you try installing Cyrillic fonts (Russian / Slavic fonts)?
18:01.30abruptuspatrikf: well it seems to me that I don't have a lot of functions
18:01.35vsayikiranmaggot_brain: so how should i do that, no i never installed any russian / slavic fonts
18:01.59maggot_brainvsayikiran: I'll find the package for you, two seconds
18:02.02vsayikiranmaggot_brain: but i recently installed devanagari fonts
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18:02.22patrikfabruptus: try starting anjuta in a terminal and check for error messages in the terminal
18:02.37maggot_brainvsayikiran: yuk! I only know Bengali, no idea with Hindi!
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18:02.52vsayikiranmaggot_brain: but this crash happens almost every time i try to minimize the browser window
18:02.53miksuhabruptus: those are most likely just not in use. activate plugins from anjuta menu
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18:03.12miksuhif i did understood what you meant...
18:03.22vsayikiranmaggot_brain: yes both are indic fonts may have some common problem
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18:04.01maggot_brainvsayikiran: aptitude install xfonts-cyrillic
18:04.20maggot_brainvsayikiran: then restart the X server, what site are you on when it crashes?
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18:04.29miksuhfrom anjuta preferences ofcourse
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18:05.03aarkeriosomebody knows about he announcement expected for today?
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18:05.22aarkeriowhere is Lenny!!!! :-p
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18:05.30arezeyaarkerio, /topic
18:05.34maherthe new firefox/iceweasel in lenny has this pop up thing that tells you when you've finished downloading files - how do i get rid of it?
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18:05.39vsayikiranmaggot_brain: well i cant say any particular website but it happens with almost everywebsite i visit. the last time i was visiting musicindiaonline.com and mp3hungama.com
18:06.16DexterFarezey: well, that mean mirrors are being updated or rather "when its done and that just happen not be right now" ?
18:06.16vsayikiranmaggot_brain: why you want me to install cryllic fonts. i dont have any use of it? any special reason
18:06.20abruptuspatrikf: there are some warnings and failures, but miksah: thanks that did it, the names on the plugins are irritating though and do not reveal the full functionality (to me) so I thought I didn't have the latest version of the program...
18:06.22maggot_brainvsayikiran: difficult for me to test cos my desktop runs Arch and I don't have the same hardware
18:06.38patrikfabruptus: did you file a bug against libgbf?
18:06.38maggot_brainvsayikiran: erm, cos that's what was mentioned in the error message
18:06.47abruptuspatrikf: not yet
18:08.00maggot_brainvsayikiran: looks like some sort of generic X error
18:08.23maggot_brainFatal server error:lockup from the bug report
18:09.19alturiakso... at what point in the release-process (http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable) will the freeze be lifted?
18:09.27vsayikiranmaggot_brain: yes
18:09.38abruptuspatrikf: what is libgdf for by the way?
18:09.49vsayikiranmaggot_brain: but there is no cryllic font in lenny
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18:10.17vsayikiranmaggot_brain: also search for some rping() method i think that to be the cause
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18:10.32stewalturiak: should be tomorrow
18:10.33maggot_brainvsayikiran: have you tried going on the relevant xorg irc channel?
18:10.37abruptuspatrikf: oh and is there any directory of libraries or something alike where I can look up things like this? :)
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18:10.42arezeydexterf, well, they're making iso images right now. so i guess not yet..
18:10.47arezeydexterf, /msg dpkg lenny status
18:10.50alturiakstew: thanks
18:11.07vsayikiranmaggot_brain: no, tell me the channels name
18:11.18patrikfabruptus: $ aptitude show libgbf-1-1 :-)
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18:11.44DexterFalright. in the meantime: I upgraded an etch box to lenny yesterday and had to kill power to the box while it was conf'ing packages. now a lot of stuff is broken, dpkg lists packages as "pn"
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18:11.49DexterFwhat should I do here?
18:11.51jadewhello, how can I properly setup the network? after I boot up eth0 is down and I have to up it manually and call dhclient. Is there a proper way to do this or should I set up an init.d script that does that?
18:12.11Tchakahi
18:12.20maggot_brainvsayikiran: #intel-gfx
18:12.22gmaphow do i set up apt so that it install of the required dependencies automatically
18:12.43vsayikiranmaggot_brain: are you a bengali
18:12.43gmapi do apt-get install php5 but it fails due to unmet dependencies
18:12.47maggot_brainvsayikiran: make sure you know the version of X you're using and the version of the intel driver when asking a question
18:13.02maggot_brainvsayikiran: Yes I am a Bengali
18:13.11maherDexterF: is you system in a usable state?
18:13.21maggot_brainvsayikiran: my Bangla is not good though, I'm BBCD
18:13.22DexterFmaher: well, I get a boot prompt
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18:13.51TchakaI would like to change the prompt color when I switch in root. How can I do that?
18:13.55maherDexterF: try dpkg --audit
18:14.01Wyzardgmap: apt always installs dependencies automatically...  if it's telling you it can't install something due to unmet dependencies, it means either the dependencies aren't available (apt doesn't have a place to get them from) or they can't be installed for some reason (e.g. conflicts with other packages)
18:14.03DexterFmaher: I'm logged in as root from an ssh, so kernel is alive, bash is ok, network and sshd are up
18:14.03DexterFok
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18:14.21DexterFmaher: returns nothing
18:14.33miksuhabruptus: You can get package description using: aptitude show <package>, Synaptic or use packages.debian.org
18:14.34MaiorTchaka: modify root's shell config
18:14.54maherDexterF: if dpkg is happy try using aptitude to install the packages you want...
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18:15.02vsayikiranmaggot_brain: what does BBCD mean?
18:15.07miksuhother ways ofcourse too
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18:15.16TchakaMaior, you mean the root's .bashrc?
18:15.23MaiorTchaka: if that's the shell used
18:15.36DexterFmaher: that's a lot. almost any all the xserver packages for examle. what does "pn" mean anyway, the manpage isn't helping
18:15.39Maiormaggot_brain: heh haven't heard that term used in a long time
18:15.54maggot_brainvsayikiran: British Born Confused Desi
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18:16.17vsayikiranmaggot_brain: haha........:-D:-D
18:16.27TchakaMaior, do you know if there is one way to do this change in my bashrc? Therefore each user could choose for example their own color...
18:16.33vsayikiranmaggot_brain: since how long are you in UK?
18:16.39MaiorTchaka: yes, for bash, modify PS1
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18:17.02maggot_brainvsayikiran: may want to take this into the #debian-offtopic channel
18:17.23vsayikiranmaggot_brain: are you part of debian developement team
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18:17.38maherDexterF: p = purged n = not installed (it tells you at the very top of the output of dpkg -l)
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18:17.55DexterFmaher: duh, grep. my fault.
18:17.59BrujahHy everybody
18:18.05maggot_brainvsayikiran: no, not at all, I don't even use Debian any more, but I'm considering switching back for some of my machines
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18:18.09enoufTchaka: http://linuxgazette.net/issue65/padala.html is one..
18:18.11abruptuspatrikf, miksuh: thanks!
18:18.31BrujahSomebody wrote me the files to create a deb package. why is there a rules and a rules.all?
18:18.35maherDexterF: if you know what you want installed just install it - you may be able to extract your old lists of installed packages from /var/backups/...
18:18.36Brujahwhats the difference?
18:18.38vsayikiranmaggot_brain: or intel testing team or something like that
18:18.58maggot_brainvsayikiran: no again, just trying to help out a fellow Indian
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18:19.22enoufhttp://www.termsys.demon.co.uk/vtansi.htm "Set Attribute Mode      <ESC>[{attr1};...;{attrn}m"
18:19.36patrikfabruptus: nudge me when you've done the bug report or have any questions
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18:19.59DexterFmaher: uh huh. at it this moment.
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18:20.54enoufTchaka: also (if you really want to get deeper) man console_codes ; man bash ; man bash_builtins
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18:21.36sk4use zsh luke!
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18:22.18nfx333)%
18:22.32nfx333when it done? )%
18:22.48s_20patience.
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18:23.18abruptuspatrikf: well ok, what is nudging?
18:23.23arnold963_7HE IS HERE ENGLISCH OR GERMAN CHAT
18:23.31Tchakaenouf, actually what I would like is, when I am in my shell as simple user and then switch in root with su, the color of the prompt is changed by red for example to see that this shell is as root
18:23.35patrikfarnold963_7: english, and no need to shout
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18:24.33patrikfabruptus: somewhat like physically shaking somebody. in IRC terms, highlight me (i.e. say my nick) ;-)
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18:25.28abruptuspatrikf: oh ok :)... I can't believe that there aren't any bugs reported http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=libgbf-1-0
18:25.38enoufTchaka: right, i do that - someone mentioned /root/,bashrc already and it's PS1= line
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18:26.07enoufTchaka: root@sarge:~# echo $PS1
18:26.07enouf\[\033[01;34m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$
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18:26.10patrikfabruptus: well it's really just a minor thing... and you should report to -1-dev by the way
18:26.46enoufTchaka: as a user however; this is what i use; ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;35m\]\w\$ \[\033[00m\]
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18:27.48enoufTchaka: which shows me only the ~$ as prompt .. in the color i prefer for this shell
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18:30.07abruptuspatrikf: I'm confused... I think I didn't even have 1-dev installed
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18:30.44patrikfabruptus: you tried to install libgbf-1-dev (a newer package), which had a file in common with libgbf-1-0
18:30.45abruptuspatrikf: oh I read it had to be upgraded, so I think it was installed..
18:30.57abrotmanvsayikiran: have you tried using the vesa driver?
18:31.03multi_ioany xawtv users here? Looks like the "ratio" option in ~/.xawtv has no effect at all.
18:31.14patrikfabruptus: libgbf-1-dev should mention in its metadata that prior to installing it, -1-0 has to be removed
18:31.23patrikfabruptus: ("Conflicts:")
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18:31.55enoufTchaka: if you don't have a /root/.bashrc make one, copy over any relevant bits you like from your ~/.bashrc  then edit and use it ;-)
18:32.17enouf(or your favorite shell rc file)
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18:33.22vsayikiranabrotman: please tell me will aptitude show this information
18:33.44abrotmanvsayikiran: X -configure .. choose the vesa driver instead of the intel driver
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18:35.11Tchakaenouf, are you sure about the syntax?
18:35.15vsayikiranabrotman: can i change this in /etc/Xorg.conf file
18:35.21Tchakaenouf, bash: \[\033[0;35m\][\w] $ \[\033[0;0m\]: command not found
18:35.30abrotmanyou can try if you're capable of writing an xorg.conf
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18:36.32jelly-homeTchaka: sounds like you need to find a better way to copy/paste those escape codes
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18:37.24enoufTchaka: ~$ echo -e "\[\033[0;35m\][\w] $ \[\033[0;0m\]:"
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18:37.52vsayikiranabrotman: so please tell me, i have edited a couple of times......or atleast give the full command to reconfigure X
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18:38.10abrotmani did .. X -configure
18:38.13enoufTchaka: take a look at your $PS1 line in your ~/.bashrc
18:38.19miksuhgmap: shutdown -r now
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18:38.43MarkJonesWhat does that mean Lenny release in progress? Like is it gonna be today or just like sometime in the next few months or your guess is as good as any?
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18:39.06WyzardMarkJones: it means they're building the CD images now
18:39.12MarkJonesOh ok.
18:39.31stewMarkJones: its being worked on, expect the official announcement sometime in the next 24 hours
18:39.41MarkJonesOk
18:39.46epsilon+ 1 years
18:39.55stewthere are 525 or so different cd images that need to be built
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18:40.23MarkJonesWonder if anyone made up any nice CD/DVD labels yet.Maybe Ill make a nice lightscribe labeled DVD set.
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18:40.48gmapi have php5 installed. but php is still not recognzed as a bash command
18:40.49epsilonI have to test a server today/tonight... how different is the lenny installer RC2 and final?
18:40.49Wyzardstill wants to see nice quality foil stickers with the Debian swirl on them
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18:40.59epsilongm152: php_cli
18:41.00td123maybe someone should change the title to cd's are building... so that ppl would stop asking
18:41.07stewepsilon: identical
18:41.12epsilon*gmap
18:41.13Wyzardgmap: The regular php5 package is the apache module...  install php5-cli for the command-line version
18:41.14miksuhDVD, USB etc images too
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18:41.24epsilonstew: ok
18:41.32epsilon*leech*
18:41.42MarkJonesLenny wont have a live CD feature right?
18:42.06stewMarkJones: it will, as etch did
18:42.09miksuhyes it does
18:42.19stewMarkJones: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/
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18:42.34MarkJonesoh is it a special download.......oh sweet.Ill check it out.
18:42.58stewepsilon: uhh, the installer itself did not change at all.  there have been a few package updates, but you can get those simply post install with an aptitude upgrade if any of them actualy affect you
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18:43.24MarkJonesAre the live images an official release?
18:43.32MarkJonesor 3rd party deal?
18:43.48stewMarkJones: they are official
18:44.39MarkJonesnice
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18:44.46vsayikiranabrotman: please give me the command to reconfigure is it dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
18:44.56beardy!drxx vsayikiran
18:44.56dpkgvsayikiran: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
18:44.57abrotmani did .. X -configure
18:45.03gmapwyzard thanks, how do i install firefox 3 on the minimal netinst debian?
18:45.29Wyzardgmap: Debian's firefox package is called "iceweasel"
18:45.30valdyngmap: etch?
18:45.45gmapetch?
18:45.48gmapwhats that mean
18:45.53MarkJonesSo do most of you guys/gals use Debian for strictly servers or do you use it as I have been for a day to day desktop?
18:45.58valdyngmap: same as debian 4.0
18:46.02miksuhgmap: aptitude install iceweasel
18:46.15valdyn!tell MarkJones -about polls
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18:46.23WyzardMarkJones: I run stable (several instances in Xen) on my home router, and sid on my desktop
18:46.33gmapis there a feature that will automatically install the dependencies?
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18:46.42MarkJones-about polls
18:46.44MarkJones?
18:46.44Wyzardgmap: apt always installs dependencies automatically
18:46.56valdynMarkJones: read what dpkg told you
18:47.01miksuhMarcoBXBRO1: no I have been using debian stable on desktop sunce 1998
18:47.01gmapcause apt-get install iceweasel fails due to unmet dependencies "broken package"
18:47.16miksuhMarkJones: : no I have been using debian stable on desktop sunce 1998
18:47.27valdyngmap: that means someone is broken, we cant know what without you showing us the complete error
18:47.36gmapok let me type it
18:47.37valdyngmap: *something* is broken, naturally
18:47.48miksuhsunce=since
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18:48.10MarkJonesOk you lost me ? read what dpkg says.
18:48.12MarkJoneswhat?
18:48.16valdyn!polls
18:48.16dpkg"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
18:48.37valdynagain, for people who cant use their irc client ;)
18:48.47jamonbastards those badgers
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18:49.01qquick_Hi, Does anyone use hfs+ drives on their system. fsck.hfsplus doesn't mark it is as clean. I have disable journalling.
18:49.12valdynhaha
18:49.12MarkJonesOk so the rules are ask general questions to the masses but not to any perticular people? What?
18:49.23gmapthe following packages have unmet dependencies: iceweasel: depends: libcairo2 but it is not going to be installed. depends: libgtk2.0 but it is not going to be installed depends: libpang1.0 but it is not going to be installed. E: broken packages
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18:49.29valdynMarkJones: is it so hard to understand what a poll is?
18:49.32blueyedIs it possible to get previous releases from "experimental"? (like what snapshots provides for experimental)
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18:49.41MarkJonesI know what a poll is.
18:49.42Wyzardgmap: What happens if you run "apt-get install libcairo2" ?
18:49.48MarkJonesI was just making conversation
18:50.03Tchakaenouf, I keep this one: PS1="\[\033[1;31m\][\u:\w] $ \[\033[0;0m\]" :-) thx
18:50.04MarkJonesIs that wrong or what?
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18:50.16gmapwyzard then i get the same error, with 3 more unmet dependencies
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18:50.49Wyzardgmap: try telling apt to install one of those
18:50.53MarkJonesI wasnt sure if I was gettting flamed or being told how to do a poll.
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18:50.58MarkJoneshehe
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18:51.10enoufTchaka: not too shabby :-)
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18:51.30Wyzardgmap: when apt says something is "not going to be installed", it means it can't for some reason; telling it explicitly to install that thing will make it tell you why it can't
18:51.31valdynMarkJones: i just told you that you shouldnt do polls, which you did above, theres not much reason to discusss that as i didnt make the rules
18:51.48shivraj935 ........
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18:51.57miksuhgmap: pastebin your sources.list, maybe there is something wrong in it
18:51.58MarkJonesHmm I didnt realy see it as a poll.
18:52.05MarkJonesIm not marketing anything.
18:52.10shivrajis this the official release party ? this channel ?
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18:52.14gmapwyzard i tried one of those. libc6 was already installed, but libfreetype6 did install successfully
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18:52.44MarkJonesWho here prefers ketchup over mayo? If so what brand. That would be a poll.
18:52.57Wyzardgmap: What message did you get from apt regarding something depending on libc6?
18:52.57Tchakaenouf, it's just for root
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18:53.14miksuhshivraj: yeah ircing and drinking beer :)
18:54.12MarkJonesSo where is the proper place to ask questions to the whole room?
18:54.19valdyngmap: you have or had a broken sources.list
18:54.27valdynMarkJones: not here,  i dont know where
18:54.32MarkJoneshehe
18:54.36MarkJonesWhatever.
18:54.44shivrajMarkJones: make a website ?
18:55.07jelly-homeMarkJones: #defocus
18:55.07gmapwhen i try apt-get install iceweasel it get: some packages could not be installed. this may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are sing the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of incoming. since you only requested a single operation it is extemely likely that te package is simply not installable and a bug...
18:55.09gmap...report against that package should be filed... then it shows the unmet dependencies: libcairo2, libgtk2, libpango1
18:55.14MarkJonestoo lazy to spend that much time on something nobody will ever read.
18:55.36miksuhgmap: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
18:55.40valdyngmap: dont need more of that, paste your sources.list on a paste site
18:55.45stewgmap: sow us the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel libc6 libcairo2 libgtk2" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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18:56.14Wyzardgmap: I meant the message that mentioned libc6, not the original one mentioning libcairo2, libgtk2, and libpango1
18:56.42mirakhi
18:56.48mirakI have a problem with a dvb card ir receiver . The probleme is that the IR is on /dev/input/event5 have a handler like this H: Handlers=kbd event5 . I don't want it bound to keyboards keys, this is not ok of course
18:56.56gmapwyzard i get the same error with libcairo2 as iceweasel, just different unmet dependencies.
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18:57.01MarkJonesSo anyways I was asking if most people use Debian stable for desktops or just for servers. Seeing as the packages are a bit older but very reliable for the most part.
18:57.01Wyzardgmap: You already have libc6 installed, of course (the entire system depends on it) but I suspect that you're mixing etch and lenny and the thing you're trying to install depends on a *newer version* of libc6 that apt can't install due to dependency conflicts
18:57.08mirakso I wondering how to not have kbd handling event5
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18:57.15akkark.gmap is getting such a lot of help, that's so nice of you all
18:57.22Wyzardgmap: That's why people are telling you to post your sources.list and some "apt-cache policy" output
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18:58.00gmapok, ill type it by hand though. my host machine is ubuntu, but my client is debian netinst on virtualbox. everything is command line
18:58.06stewi'll bet he doesn't have a main mirror
18:58.24WyzardMarkJones: I wouldn't want to use stable for my own desktop since the release cycle is too slow and I'm skilled enough to troubleshoot sid issues when they come up, but I'd probably feel differently if I were deploying desktops across an enterprise or something
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18:59.50MarkJonesWow thats interesting.Im suprised that there are any people besides devs and bug reporters that use sid.You must be a very patient person and knowledgable.
19:00.00enoufvsayikiran: just some wild assed guesses, (i looked at the 1st part only of your bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502004) have you tried changing Driver          "i810" to "intel" instead? How about (review the file) any ~/.xsession-errors ?  Ensure 915resolution pkg is not still installed, and any config files removed (set aside) .. You're on Lenny, correct? man intel , man xorg.conf
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19:00.42WyzardMarkJones: I'm pretty knowledgeable about Debian, and I attribute that largely to running sid as my main desktop OS for about eight years -- sometimes one has to learn out of necessity in order to fix problems  :-)
19:00.57enoufvsayikiran: and for good testing, try "vesa" for a while .. see if X crashes .. run memtest86+ as well to test your RAM
19:01.24enoufvsayikiran: i'd run memtest86+ if using 'vesa' also crashes X
19:01.24mirakis there a way to unload all modules of a device ? modprobe says they are in use, I can't find the good way to unload them
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19:01.37valdynmirak: make them unused
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19:01.51mirakvaldyn: how do I know how they are used ?
19:01.55td123zomg when is debian coming out!!
19:02.00mirakvaldyn: I removed what I though used them
19:02.05valdynmirak: first kill the process using the device, then remove the modules in order
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19:02.33valdynmirak: lsof / fuser
19:02.45enoufmirak: modinfo <modulename> | grep -i depends  - see info in the modules.dep file (unload them in order)
19:02.58Zvpunwwlr
19:03.05mirakthanks I finally found the right module
19:03.11enoufmirak: 1st try the lsof/fuser route mentioned
19:03.19cousin_luigiwonders why the "ISO generation progress" takes so long
19:03.23Zvpunlenny lenny go go go!
19:03.39valdyncousin_luigi: because its like 100 disk images?
19:03.40vsayikiranenouf: i will do it
19:03.42enoufcousin_luigi: can you count to 5 HUNDRED PLUS?
19:03.44ZvpunEPOCH 1234567890 is over yet where is lenny?
19:03.45cousin_luigioh
19:03.54mirakI tried lsof first but it was empty on the device, so I guess it was just an order problem. now I guess about order there is no real way to know ?
19:04.00stewyeah, its well over 500 isos
19:04.05vsayikiranenouf: please some details about all this procedure memtest etc
19:04.10cousin_luigithat many?
19:04.19Wyzardcousin_luigi: Think of all the architectures Debian supports
19:04.20enoufsaw stew mention something about 525 earlier ;-)
19:04.21valdynwow, i wouldnt have guessed 500
19:04.22asgcousin_luigi: feel free to create the image on a 32MB / 133Mhz arm device
19:04.28stewyes, 13 arches, most arches have 33 cds + dvds
19:04.43stewthen debian live is 36 isos
19:04.44cousin_luigi:O
19:04.55cousin_luigi<hat off>
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19:05.12miksuhtd123: they are building the cd/dvd/usb etc images right now
19:05.35gmapwyzard here you go http://rafb.net/p/uOzSKQ65.html
19:05.41td123zomg when is debian coming out!!
19:05.47enoufvsayikiran: well - easiest is to run it from the Installer CD boot .. or many livecds have it - or see /boot/grub/menu.lst - install the memtest86+ pkg, and run update-grub (please READ all relevant docs and man pages prior)
19:05.52mirakvaldyn enouf : I just need an hint about something. I use the ir receiver of a TT C1500 DVB card. the problem is that the event5 associated to the IR port, seems to be handled by the keyboard handler, (kbd) . I am wondering how I can change that because the remote key acts like some keys of the keyboard, and that's anoying
19:06.01valdyngmap: replace "all" with "main contrib non-free"
19:06.16valdyngmap: hmm, no nevermind
19:06.17miksuhtd123: see ^^
19:06.18td123sorry, I just couldn't resist doing the "zomg when is debian coming out!!"
19:06.21JemtHave any of your guys found a mirror with Debian Lenny? There nothing on debian.org yet
19:06.22valdyn!sources.list
19:06.22dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
19:06.24nailuj24enouf: It's terrible to wait all this time ;) but iso generation still in progress...
19:06.28valdyngmap: read what dpkg said
19:06.33JemtI'm really looking forward to the final release :)
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19:07.07td123Jemt: yup, and the rest isn't
19:07.07valdynnailuj24: why? use the latest netinst and install from there
19:07.20vsayikiranenouf: :-( pretty difficult task for a naive user like me
19:07.27wwlrZvpun: at your service
19:07.32miksuhtd123: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable
19:07.33enoufmirak: man .. no idea - try the various #videolan #vlc #mplayer channels  and any other ones like that you can think of
19:07.43Jemttd-: You have? The rest isn't what?
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19:07.48wwlrcomeon guys, its already 15th ehre !
19:07.52nailuj24valdyn: I just have wireless lan up here, and WPA encrypton is not supported from netinst AFAIR
19:07.53wwlrits a scam, no lenny today
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19:08.07Zvpunwwlr: when will lenny release?
19:08.27wwlrgood question
19:08.38Zvpunyour the wwlr man, you should know
19:08.41sepskiwhen it's built :)
19:08.53mirakenouf: I think I have an idea of what's wrong, I am not sure it's specically related to multimedia, I think anyone knowing well the events could help. but I will try there indeed
19:08.57asgwwlr: you are more than welcome to ask for a refund
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19:09.21td123when did you start building images?
19:09.22wwlrasg: hehe , refund !
19:09.24vsayikiranenouf: do i need to install xorg-xserver-video-vesa
19:09.47vsayikiranabrotman: do i need to install vesa driver
19:10.02ecadreasks for refund :-P
19:10.04gmapvaldyn i removed the first 2 lines of http://rafb.net/p/uOzSKQ65.html and ran apt-get update. still not installing apt-get install libcairo2
19:10.11sepskitd123, acording to this    http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2009/02/14/lenny-release.html   at around 14:18  and it will take some hours still
19:10.14abrotmanvsayikiran: put your xorg.conf in a pastebin
19:10.22vsayikiranabrotman: ok
19:10.26enoufvsayikiran: yes .. if it;s not installed
19:10.29valdyngmap: you have no such line   http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main
19:10.35ecadresepski, 14:18 where?
19:10.37valdyngmap: that is your issue, removing wont help that
19:10.47wwlrmost of release critical bugs havent been resolved yet . the devs were busy fixing bug #501242 Konqueror crashes when more than 256 windows are opened
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19:10.59sepskiecadre, quote from the page  (All times in UTC)
19:11.15miksuhgmap: I thought you use lenny, but that's etch, lenny is not stable yet
19:11.19wwlror to make gnome look less shitty
19:11.21wwlrhides
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19:11.31enoufmirak: #hardware .. ##electronics related ? xmodmap is of no use? the lirc packages? .. as i say, no idea
19:11.47gmapvaldyn, ok i get it. ill try adding that
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19:12.12enoufmirak: maybe check available module parms from modinfo output
19:12.27jelly-home!wwlr
19:12.28dpkgi heard wwlr is Lenny (5.0) will hopefully release on February 14, 2009. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00002.html http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable. Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>.
19:12.41vsayikiranenouf: http://pastebin.com/m57b7b856
19:12.48wwlrthats just to keep us at our homes , waithing,, while devs score chicks and drink
19:12.56wwlrthey cant score when we are around
19:12.56Hydroxidethe release is being prepared currently. people are working on it.
19:13.16enoufvsayikiran: abrotman asked you for a paste or something ;-)
19:13.21ecadresepski, it's OK, I'm not that impatient, it's just when times get posted without any context  :-)
19:13.24Hydroxidecheck back in several hours for the official announcement
19:13.31ewetwhy is apt-cache using _all_ my memory, killing some other apps in the process, being _not_ a nice process?
19:13.37Hydroxide(several hours or tomorrow etc - depends on how long things take and what timezone you're in)
19:13.52enoufewet: renice it
19:13.58vsayikiranenouf: yes i sent to you my mistake
19:13.58wwlrHydroxide: so that means lenny isint ready yet
19:14.07jelly-homeewet: apt-cache itself doesn't kill anything.  Your kernel might, if it gets really thight with memory.
19:14.10vsayikiranabrotman: http://pastebin.com/m57b7b856
19:14.43abrotmanvsayikiran: and oyu're on lenny ?
19:14.52Hydroxidewwlr: it means it's ready, and the mechanics of the releasing process are currently underway. cds are being built, archive changes are occurring, etc. if you mean that the release isn't 100% finished at this moment, then true
19:14.52mirakenouf I well try #lirc
19:14.53ewetjelly-home: yeah I know - well so where's the f***ing difference?
19:14.58vsayikiranabrotman: yes lenny
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19:15.09Hydroxidewwlr: but it is in the process of being released as we speak.
19:15.10abrotmanvsayikiran: i'd say to try to mv the xorg.conf to xorg.conf.bkup ... and try it again
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19:15.18enoufewet: actually ... there's MUCH
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19:15.38sepulti'm linked to the nfs ?
19:15.42sepultwhaaaaaat ?
19:15.47vsayikiranabrotman: ok so i should install xorg-xserver-vesa driver
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19:16.02abrotmanvsayikiran: just try moving the xorg.conf
19:16.06enoufewet: kernel settings can more easily be tweaked - rather than trying to control how an application uses/accessess main memory
19:16.20valdynewet: sounds like you dont have swap
19:16.26valdynewet: and not much memory at all
19:16.33ewetthat was not the f**king point here! I was asking _why_ the f**k this happens! no matter how the f**king kernel get around (or -apparently- doesn't)
19:16.41wwlrHydroxide: so whats the purpose of putting an unmeetable release date
19:16.52ewetvaldyn: I have 2Gb ram and a 1gb swap
19:17.14abrotmanwwlr: it was always an estimated release date ..
19:17.16valdynewet: and how much did apt-cache use?
19:17.34gmapvaldyn, heres my new sources.list http://rafb.net/p/Ud2jAr88.html i ran apt-get update and it still is not working well
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19:17.47wwlrcome on, its like corporation's stuff 'estimated', unforseeable, unprecedented,
19:18.04Wyzardewet: I've used apt-cache plenty of times and it's never done anything like that to me
19:18.04ecadrewwlr, obviously just to annoy you  :-P
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19:18.04enoufewet: i noticed newer (certain) versions of apt (as in Lenny) did take much longer than usual ... so i upgraded - although the issue never totally went away - and stop whining like that please
19:18.06ewetI am no swap advocate though because my whole system becomes sluggish when memory holes occur. i prefer the memory to run out before my system needs 15min to recover fron heavy swapping
19:18.07miksuhwwlr: what's your problem?
19:18.09valdyngmap: dpkg -l libc6
19:18.10vsayikiranabrotman: ok i will rename the xorg file and try to dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
19:18.15wwlrwhen did debian,org  become debian inc
19:18.16valdyngmap: i want to know the version number
19:18.19abrotmanvsayikiran: okay
19:18.22ewetvaldyn: _all_ my memory for 15min
19:18.35valdynewet: how do you know?
19:18.37enoufewet: something is wrong
19:18.38abrotmanwwlr: would you rather they forced the release on a date and released broken software?
19:18.45vsayikiranabrotman: what about the memtest86+ do i need to do that also?
19:18.54valdynewet: can you reproduce this?
19:18.56ewetvaldyn: because _a lot_ of programs have been killed
19:19.02abrotmanvsayikiran: i didn't say anything about that
19:19.10ewetvaldyn: apt-cache ploicy - every time
19:19.15valdynewet: so that might aswell have been cause by something not apt-cache
19:19.19wwlrabrotman: all i am saying is that instead of starting the release process on 14th, they should consider saying 15th, and do the work on 14th
19:19.21valdynewet: ok
19:19.23Rienzillaonce the kernel starts killingstuff something has seriously screwed up :)
19:19.43abrotmanwwlr: maybe you should get off your lazy behind and help instead of whining
19:19.45vsayikiranabrotman: sorry but someone told me that i should install vesa driver and try memtest86+
19:19.48valdynewet: do you have an insane number of sources in /etc/apt/sources.list?
19:20.04miksuhwwlr: yeah, why don't you help them do it faster?
19:20.08enoufvsayikiran: that'd be i ;)
19:20.11ewetvaldyn: not really the usual suspects
19:20.20wwlri am making key suggestions to improve their projects
19:20.30wwlrits like plago
19:20.32wwlrplato*
19:20.41enoufvsayikiran: now, as i said, don't worry until vesa and intel and all those other things also cause the exact same behaviour
19:20.47miksuhwwlr: sound like whining to me
19:20.49wwlrthe 14th feb mistake on the debian is gone again
19:21.09valdynewet: bug in apt-cache or a broken database
19:21.11wwlri call it 'enhanced criticism'
19:21.15ecadrewell. I'm happy to wait a little longer, a Debian stable release is a stunning achievement. When I've had a look over it I'm sure it'll go onto my servers... thankyou Debian people and well done :-)
19:21.23miksuhwwlr: I dom't
19:21.24ewetsee here: http://pastebin.com/m5d97c85c
19:21.24gmaplibc6 2.3.6.ds1-13et valdyn
19:21.24abrotmanwwlr: wrong place for it ..
19:21.25mark882enhanced whining maybe
19:21.25valdynewet:  i cant debug that for you, see strace or gdb or file a bug report
19:21.28miksuhwwlr: I don't
19:21.30vsayikiranenouf: hey if vesa and intel cause the same thing then whats the solution
19:21.31enoufvsayikiran: and drxx doesn't really do anything for you on Lenny - as abrotman said, you'd run X -configure, and/or Xorg -configure and then editt to taste
19:21.39JemtActually we planned a lot of things in our company because we knew that Debian would be released today. We have been preparing a release of a new product
19:21.43abrotmanhe should just move the xorg.conf out of the way .. and just start X
19:21.44enoufvsayikiran: other tshooting
19:21.49cryingtuxbut i guess debian has a good news for us, etch came up with another bug fix release
19:21.54ewetvaldyn: any way to de-break my database?
19:21.58enoufyeah - why is he even using one?
19:22.10valdynewet: apt-get update?
19:22.47ewetvaldyn: well if it's that it doesn't help because that's what I started before
19:22.51nightglider28I've been at work all day.  Lenny go stable, yet?
19:23.00nailuj24nightglider28: Not yet
19:23.14nightglider28nailuj24: :(
19:23.14nailuj24nightglider28: Must be out every minute...
19:23.25miksuhnightglider28: they are building the images
19:23.26valdynewet: do a debsums check on the involved executables and libraries
19:23.28vsayikiranenouf: now i'm confused i hope lenny and xorg-intel developers do something about it....:-(
19:23.34Sazpaimonso is lenny safe to aptitude to?
19:23.39nightglider28nailuj24: What?
19:23.39valdynewet: other than that i cant really help you debug it..
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19:23.58nailuj24nightglider28: Lenny must be out every minute, I guess
19:24.09ewetvaldyn: debsum?
19:24.12enoufewet: i'd copy off all relevant files, and then rm the originals, then do some stuff with small files for a while, then cp back your copies into orig locations
19:24.14nailuj24They are genearting ISOs four hours
19:24.26valdynewet: man debsums
19:24.28nightglider28nailuj24: How...so?
19:24.35ecadreSazpaimon, I have Lenny on my desktop and it's fine (for me), servers will go over in the next week or so.
19:24.42nightglider28I'll brb.  Need to ssh to another box.
19:24.42miksuhnightglider28: lots of images
19:24.43arezeynightglider28, well, they have to make about a ton of them
19:24.52Sazpaimonecadre, so then its a no-go for servers as of yet?
19:24.54nightglider28Ah.
19:25.14enoufewet: cp -a as root to copy off elsewhere ... run vmstat while you run apt-cache - learn about the kernel.overcommit_* settings, man proc
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19:25.25ewetvaldyn: no manual entry (that's why I ask)
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19:26.25Wyzardewet: It's a package; you probably need to install it
19:26.29ewetenouf: what files - all the cache?
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19:26.33enoufewet: http://rafb.net/p/NufY6f23.html for an ex
19:26.34ecadreSazpaimon, depends upon what you're aiming for I suppose.  By common wisdom Stable is best for servers, security fixes package stability etc.
19:26.53enoufewet: depends which ones it opens - hence strace
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19:27.01Sazpaimonecadre, well lenny will be stable in the comming hours will it not?
19:27.13abruptuspatrikf: sorry but I didn't file the bugreport yet.. I gotta restart the pc now tho, just to let you know I will file the bugreport later
19:27.16ecadreSazpaimon, I'll be checking that everything works OK on a test box and then switching my servers
19:27.22enoufewet: are you using a Debian kernel? and which release? Lenny?
19:27.38enoufapt-cache policy apt says? (pastebin)
19:27.44ewetenouf: I am using all lenny - nothing special
19:28.04enoufewet: in a VM? or bare hardware? which arch?
19:28.13ewethowever I experienced problems with german locale as well apt-cache behaved better when using LANG=C
19:28.18enoufewet: cat /proc/cmdline as well
19:28.28ewetenouf: amd64 no VM
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19:28.41ewetgrep overcomm /etc/sysctl.conf gives nothing
19:28.46Samuel-NotAFKsam@sam-laptop:~$ sudo check-selinux-installation
19:28.46Samuel-NotAFK[sudo] password for sam:
19:28.46Samuel-NotAFKFSCKFIX is not enabled - not serious, but could prevent system from booting...
19:28.47enoufewet: i know
19:28.54ecadreSazpaimon, yep, but watch those Debian servers go:-)    I think I'll wait a little while before dist-upgrading, maybe I'm a little to catious, but better safe than sorry.
19:29.04ewetenouf: know what?
19:29.06ecadre^too
19:29.16enoufewet: i was showing you mine - why amd64 with 2G ram? .. well ..
19:29.16sjokkishm i wonder if i should get the 10" or the 9" asus eee
19:29.26sjokkisanyone here have either of the two?
19:29.34sjokkis(or just an opinion)
19:29.35patrikfabruptus: I think reportbug will ask you for email adresses you want the bug to be sent. if it does, list me (patrik@fimml.at) please. thanks!
19:29.43nailuj24sjokkis: I have an EEE 4G
19:30.01nailuj24sjokkis: WLAN doenst work ootb, you need to compile the latest kernel
19:30.07ewetenouf: because of freq-stepping...
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19:30.28gmapWyzard, when I do apt-get update i get, W: couldnt stat source package list http://security etch/updates/main Packages(/var/lib/apt/lists/security_debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 no such file or directory)
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19:30.35ewet32bit is K6 only
19:30.45enoufewet: lenny? checkout iotop as well perhaps as a tool .. i say something weird is wrong - broken install - something silly - HDDs in PIO mode .. bad RAM even .. something weird
19:30.47sjokkisnailuj24: is that a problem with the new ones too?
19:30.51craigevilwifi works just fine on any of the eee models with the debian kernel no need to compile a kernel
19:31.07enoufewet: ugh .. CPU is?
19:31.09abrotmansjokkis: you might want to ask #debian-eeepc on oftc
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19:31.20nailuj24sjokkis: Don't know, but if they use the same wirless chip (AR5007EG) there will be problems
19:31.27sjokkisabrotman: will do
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19:31.28enoufewet: you mean the i386 doesn't have the cpufreq scaling yuo require? wtf?
19:31.29Zvpundpkg: listkey lenny pool
19:31.39enoufwait, what?
19:31.40Evilrickwhat do I use to spool mail from my isp pop server into my company courier imap server
19:31.47ewetenouf: come on frequency stepping does not bother me right now!
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19:31.49enouf32bit is what?
19:32.01asgewet: fetchmail should do the trick
19:32.14ewetasg: what?
19:32.16asgsorry, Evilrick ^^
19:32.21Evilrickt athanks
19:32.38enouf!k6
19:32.41enoufhehe
19:32.55enoufewet: do you even know what you just said? :-P
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19:33.21ryan_using Dokuwiki I added this "$conf['useacl'] = 1;" to acl.auth.php but I still dont see a "login" button.  Where is this "login" button supposed to be?
19:33.39mydrmeixi managed to get lenny running with everything I use on windows plus a game in half a hour
19:33.53Tchakaregarding the firewall, by default all the traffic is accepted?
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19:34.03jamonryan_: what do the folks in #dokuwiki have to say?
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19:34.16WyzardTchaka: yes, Debian does not do any firewalling by default
19:34.22ewetenouf: i don't suspect i/o problems or a broken install in general or bad memory because apt-cache is the _only_ prog behaving badly (okhams razor you know...)
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19:34.58ewetthink stracing apt-cache and a bug-report is the best i could do right now :-/
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19:35.12ryan_jamon: nothing
19:35.21ryan_jamon: no one seems to be listening there
19:35.24TchakaWyzard, ok so if I do iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 6850 -j ACCEPT
19:35.31enoufewet: you posted outputs i asked for?
19:35.38TchakaWyzard, that'S useless
19:35.46jamonryan_: they are, just like any other channel, it takes a little time
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19:36.03WyzardTchaka: unless you've set up some other iptables rules that would otherwise block those connections, yes
19:36.08WyzardTchaka: The tables are empty by default
19:36.11miksuhewet: frequency stepping works just fine on my AMD 64 x2 3800+ computer with 32bit Debian
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19:36.12asgTchaka: no, Debian assumes you know what you want to do with it and how to do it. It doesn't particularly care to hold your hand.
19:36.16nightglider28Bah.
19:36.32TchakaWyzard, ok
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19:37.22Tchakathat's means if transmission is telling me that the port is closed, the problem is related to my router
19:37.24ryan_jamon: any channel other than #debian ;)
19:37.32jamonheh fair enough
19:37.45Vincent0ne-ryan_ type /list to see others
19:38.18nightglider28Vincent0ne-: Actually, /list alone would could freeze his client on a server like freenode.
19:38.24jamonwell ryan_, reading their install doc, did you setup acl when first installing or only configure that after in a conf/local.php?
19:38.36nightglider28He might want to narrow it to chans with debian in the name
19:38.43abrotmanno it won't
19:38.44Vincent0ne-is there a website on free node with channel lists
19:38.46ewetmiksuh: yeah! look when I set up my system it was freq-stepping vs. acpi. don't know the details anymore but since I run a amd64 it's gone. however I plan to use 4gb here anyways so no big deal
19:38.50abrotmanVincent0ne-: /msg alis help
19:38.55blxdgo lenny go!
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19:39.17miksuhewet: I have not any problems like that
19:39.19ewetenouf: [20:28] <ewet> grep overcomm /etc/sysctl.conf gives nothing
19:40.03ewetmiksuh: then you're lucky - i had. but like I said I don't know the details anymore
19:40.05enoufewet: i asked for cat /proc/cmdline and your CPU make/model amongst others
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19:40.31ewetroot=/dev/mapper/lvm-root ro vga=0x0318
19:40.36valdynTchaka: the port being closed means that internet cant reach your transmission, it does not mean that *any* port is closed
19:40.40enoufewet: and what about this 32bit k6 crap? and is that a Laptop?
19:41.19miksuhewet: really, maybe you just did brake your system
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19:41.25saulus_Some users have to change their password when they login. I dont know why. I use ldap and changed /etc/pam.d/common-* and /etc/nsswitch.conf. Why could this be?
19:41.43saulus_The problem is they have to change it EVERY LOGIN
19:41.52ewetenouf: k6/amd64 topic closed - please. my problems circle around apt-cache right now - and 3rd time: i dunno anymore allright?
19:41.52Tchakavaldyn, iam talking about the client to download with torrent files
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19:42.02valdynTchaka: i know that
19:42.08Tchakavaldyn, and the port is closed
19:42.14ewetand I suspect my ssystem not to be broken because everything runs just fine except apt-cache
19:42.19valdynTchaka: such programs lie, because truth is complex enough that users dont understand it
19:42.53Tchakavaldyn, ok, do you have an idea what's going on so?
19:42.54enoufcmdline is fine ewet - ok - so ... dmesg | grep ACPI | wc -l  ; grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo
19:42.55valdynTchaka: no port is closed, transmission cannot be accessed from outside, so that port is a) firewalled or b) not forewarded
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19:43.04enoufewet: you are too funny
19:43.18miksuhewet: I meant that frequency stepping
19:43.28ewetenouf: why that?
19:43.33enouf...
19:43.40valdynTchaka: where b) can only be the case if theres a router between the transmission running box and the internet
19:43.41ewetmodel name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
19:43.42enoufgives up
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19:44.39enoufSamuel-NotAFK: if you look at /etc/default/rcS you might see that fsck info you want - if that's why you flooded yourself right off the channel
19:45.03jamonok ewet, you say rograms were killed, if you haven't, reboot and then troubleshoot
19:45.15jamons/rograms/programs
19:45.26Tchakavaldyn, I created a Portforwarding rule in my router netgear WGR614v6, port 51413 TCP/UDP for my static IP 192.168.1.35
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19:45.30valdynTchaka: i cant tell you which setup you, just what you already heared about default debian having no firewall active and that you need to ask your routers manual or support if it does not run debian
19:45.49see_plusplusCan Debian Stable run WINE and Microsoft Office with no problem?
19:46.01valdynTchaka: transmission runs on 192.168.1.35 ? and is set to use that port?
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19:46.22jamonsee_plusplus: depends on the office version, openoffice is a great alternative if you haven't used/heard of it
19:46.38nailuj24see_plusplus: If wine supports Microsoft Office, although I don't believe that
19:46.52jamonnailuj24, see_plusplus 2003 is fine, no access though
19:46.57Tchakatransmission runs on my desktop that got the 192.168.1.35 ip
19:46.58see_plusplusjamon, I have heard of it. Sometimes I need to use Office though. I use both...
19:47.08Vincent0ne-I thought wine should support MS office, I ran many games on debian
19:47.11valdynTchaka: how do you know it does?
19:47.12Vincent0ne-lenny
19:47.20see_plusplusI use Office 2000 - so I think WINE should support it.
19:47.55jamoncheck the wine site, http://winehq.org
19:47.57Tchakavaldyn, ifconfig?
19:48.03nailuj24Well, OpenOffice, at least the "Novell Version" is able to handle docx (well, it can read the text^^) while older Versions of Microsoft office can't, so OO is worth a try
19:48.04valdynTchaka: alright
19:48.24miksuhnailuj24: debian has that version with .docx support
19:48.27miksuhit's in lenny
19:48.34nailuj24miksuh: Awesome
19:48.34WyzardTchaka: You forwarded port 51413 on your router, but 6850 is the port you asked earlier about making an iptables rule to allow
19:48.40ecadreyes, docx opens in Lenny
19:49.11valdynTchaka: is transmission set to use that port?
19:49.16nailuj24miksuh: Although I was always wondering why Debian cared not about patents, I remember it has ootb MP3-Support
19:49.18TchakaWyzard, I tested with seveal ports
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19:49.40valdynTchaka: your irc ip address is not routable it seems
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19:49.48valdynTchaka: i dont know whats wrong with that
19:49.57Tchakaright now 51413 is the port useb by transmission and forwarded by the rotuer
19:50.19valdynTchaka: now give me your internet ip, but use message, not everyone needs to see it
19:50.31valdynTchaka: but you can change that ip anyway by reconnecting i guess
19:50.36nico__Hi. There use to be Debian Unstable images available for download. I can't find them anymore. Where are they now?
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19:50.48seria-maulooks like lenny is stable: http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2009/02/14/lenny-release.html
19:51.02Tchakavaldyn, why do you need my internet ip?
19:51.05Vincent0ne-I used lenny for 2 weeks, I never had problems on it
19:51.06Gnurduxso is testing unfrozen?
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19:51.16Samuel-NotAFK1I just switched on SELinux and now my Wi-Fi is broken.
19:51.25valdynTchaka: to see if its routable and if that port is accessible or not, and why its being blocked
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19:51.43valdynTchaka: i see your irc ip, but that ip is not routable, which is weird
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19:52.02ecadreSamuel-NotAFK1, that'll teach yer  :-P     (sorr, not very helpful)
19:52.08ecadre^sorry
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19:52.36Wyzardseria-mau: yeah, looks like "stable" now points to lenny in the archive...  I'm starting to upgrade some etch boxes
19:53.05valdynTchaka: everyone *should* be able to see your ip btw, in /whois Tchaka, but yours is somehow broken
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19:53.16ZvpunWyzard: how can you check what stable points to?
19:53.47valdynTchaka: hmm, or was broken
19:53.47ewetin which package is apt-cache if I am about to check this with debsums?
19:53.50Tchakavaldyn, in the router status page of the routerm there is another ip
19:53.57WyzardZvpun: I did an aptitude update on an etch box that has "stable" in its sources.list and it saw lenny packages  :-)
19:54.06valdynTchaka: ok
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19:54.22Sazpaimonhow do I hold back a package for a dist-upgrade
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19:54.58craigevil!hold
19:54.58dpkgrumour has it, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic). Always hold back packages using 'dpkg' to make sure!
19:55.09Tapouthow do I probe a partition to see if it's.. ext3 or xfs?
19:55.28WyzardTapout: file -s /dev/foo
19:55.29DustyDingohm, which package includes 'xv'? can't find it with apt-file
19:55.29nfx333)%
19:55.33nfx333how long
19:55.35abruptusit's not a debian-related question, but does anybody know how to set up something like a "trap port" for hackers or similar, which is open, but controlled so you can easily block the attack... do you probably know what I am searching for? I got it explained like this as an internship in a firm but I didn't think of asking if there is a term for that.
19:55.37nfx333iso generation
19:55.50abruptusas I was an internship*
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19:55.58Tchakavaldyn, do you know what is this ip for?
19:56.16Gnu_Raizkind of slow considering Lenny just out.
19:56.18craigevilabruptus:  a honeypot?
19:56.20valdynTchaka: its your internet ip address
19:56.42Tchakavaldyn, but if I go to this page http://www.mon-ip.com/
19:56.44valdynTchaka: till your reconnect, then you get a new one
19:56.48jamonTapout: df -hT, first google result
19:56.48Tchakavaldyn, I have another one
19:56.49Tapoutthanks Wyzard
19:56.51abruptuscraigevil: could be, I will look that up
19:56.59valdynTchaka: another than what?
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19:57.46abruptuscraigevil: hmmm I think that's not what I was searching for, though it's interesting, too
19:58.13abruptuscraigevil: the trap was more like a port opened on a specific computer I think
19:58.48valdynTchaka: Meine IP: should be your internet address
19:58.56Sazpaimoncraigevil, last i chcked holds dont work for dist-upgrade's
19:59.00Sazpaimon*checked
19:59.11Sazpaimonmaybe I'm mistaken though
19:59.18abruptuscraigevil: well as reading further through wikipedias definition of it, I think that could be it
19:59.26Tchakavaldyn, ok and now what else?
19:59.47valdynTchaka: youre being fucked with by arcor
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20:00.10enoufTapout: blkid works too
20:00.12harmattanDustyDingo: probably in non-free
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20:00.44enoufjamon: df only shows mounted partition infos
20:00.51BornToBePulihi
20:00.55Tchakavaldyn, why the router gives me this ip in the connection status 192.168.178.22
20:00.59jamonenouf: yep that's right
20:01.11valdynTchaka: thats a local network ip
20:01.14BornToBePulihow can I rip the boot image from an xp cd in linux?
20:01.15DustyDingoharmattan: no
20:01.25Tchakavaldyn, ok but used by who?
20:01.31valdynTchaka: = only used in your lan
20:01.36enoufjamon: that said, i use df -T all the time
20:02.04valdynTchaka: you want to show the complete output of "ifconfig -a" of your computer
20:02.08enoufwhat boot image BornToBePuli ?
20:02.20jamonenouf: i think using fsck -N will figure out what the fstype is if it is supported
20:02.31BornToBePulii want to make an windows xp cd bootable
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20:02.56enoufjamon: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sda1
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20:03.18enoufisolinux BornToBePuli - are you using debian?
20:03.37hovisI'm trying to find out where I define my DNS servers after I set up a static IP, but all my google hits are for setting up a server, where I just want the client end.  Where do I punch the addresses in?
20:03.37BornToBePuliyes, debian
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20:03.44Tchakavaldyn, http://pastebin.com/m328e4694
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20:04.17valdynTchaka: can you access the internet at all from that computer?
20:04.27valdynTchaka: whats the output of "route" ?
20:04.32enoufBornToBePuli: you could also run WINE and load up some windows apps and use those (nero) or whatever, or try k3b or something
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20:04.50Tchakavaldyn, Ive no problem to access internet
20:05.03BornToBePuliisolinux and syslinux are the same?
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20:05.13abrotmanBornToBePuli: i think you want ##windows
20:05.14Wyzardhovis: /etc/resolv.conf
20:05.22hovisWyzard: tyvm
20:05.22enoufnearly - but no BornToBePuli
20:05.40Tchakavaldyn, http://pastebin.com/m65c24702
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20:06.02enoufisolinux is an El Torito thing, whereas syslinux is a x86 boot sector, etc etc = see syslinux.zytor.com
20:06.09valdynTchaka: that output combined with your router makes no sense
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20:06.53valdynTchaka: ping www.google.de works from that box?
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20:07.00Tchakavaldyn, what do you suggest?
20:07.06enoufhovis: /etc/resolv.conf
20:07.10BornToBePulithanks for the infos
20:07.13valdynTchaka: if it does, paste the output of "traceroute www.google.com" too
20:07.14Tchakavaldyn, yes
20:07.26hovisenouf: ty
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20:07.35enoufhovis: /msg dpkg resolv.conf (and interfaces)
20:07.44loic-mDoes anybody know why there are no xvid packages in Debian?
20:08.09Tchakavaldyn,
20:08.15Tchakavaldyn, http://pastebin.com/m344fc29
20:08.48hovisenouf: actually, I opened resolv.conf to edit it, and it mentioned a script that updates the file.  The man page for that script shows how to add the DNS info to /etc/network/interfaces, which is ideal.  Thank you for your suggestion.
20:08.59valdynTchaka: who the hell named 192.168.178.22 localhost  ?
20:09.11enouf;-)
20:09.13valdynTchaka: thats utterly confusing
20:09.37valdynTchaka: that ip is one router that you might have set up properly now, BUT
20:09.45Tchakavaldyn, I do not know the router is not mine :D
20:09.51valdynTchaka: your path to the internet crosses your fritzbox too
20:10.05valdynTchaka: and that fritzbox is the one that needs to forward that port primarily
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20:10.14vsayikiranis there any DeLL + debian specific channel
20:10.15enoufloic-m: /msg dpkg dmm
20:10.40enoufvsayikiran: i think not - tried wiki.debian.org ?
20:10.41nightglider28vsayikiran: What model?
20:11.02enoufvsayikiran: oh, if a laptop? /msg dpkg laptop
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20:11.27valdynTchaka: so theres 2 routers,  192.168.178.22 has that port forwarding on, which is probably needed anyway, due to the fucked up way how your network might be set up,but primarily you need to set it up at 192.168.178.1
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20:11.30loic-menouf: I don't understand
20:11.44enouf!dmm
20:11.44dpkgdmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>
20:12.02enoufloic-m: you would type what i said into your irc client
20:12.02valdynTchaka: and 192.168.178.1 needs to forward the port to either 192.168.178.22  or 192.168.1.35
20:12.04patrikf!dmm lenny
20:12.04dpkgTo add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
20:12.09valdynTchaka: which of both it is i cant know
20:12.14digitaloktay!dmm unstable
20:12.24digitaloktay!dmm sid
20:12.26enoufloic-m: then you'd receive a message from dpkgbot in a PM
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20:12.37loic-menouf: thanks
20:12.57enoufnp
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20:13.25geophoenixis back
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20:14.48abrotmanvsayikiran: did you try moving your xorg.conf yet ?
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20:15.24Tchakavaldyn, if I want to change the ip 192.168.178.22  I have to use a static ip adresse, and that means I have to set the DNS Server myself
20:15.44vsayikiranabrotman: yes somewhat busy i will try after 10 mins...... i will contact you again....
20:15.46valdynTchaka: why would you change the ip?
20:15.55nightglider28vsayikiran: What model is your laptop?
20:16.00valdynTchaka: why do you use 2 routers?
20:16.01nightglider28*Is your computer?
20:16.16abrotmanvsayikiran: please try it now before you run around checking other websites
20:16.23valdynTchaka: why isnt everything plugged into the fritzbox?
20:16.48vsayikiranabrotman: so you wanted me to rename xorg file and run this command dpkg-reconfigre xorg-xserver.....am i right?
20:16.55abrotmanno
20:17.02abrotmanjust move it ..
20:17.05Tchakavaldyn, the fritzbox does not have the wireless
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20:17.21valdynTchaka: ok
20:17.33vsayikiranabrotman: then how will i start my gnome desktop without xorg.conf file
20:17.35valdynTchaka: leave ip addresses as they are, leave most stuff as it is
20:17.41abrotmanvsayikiran: just try it ..
20:17.52valdynTchaka: make the fritzbox forward the port to
20:18.02valdynTchaka: 192.168.178.22
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20:18.37valdynTchaka: and 192.168.178.22 is already setup to forward to 192.168.1.35
20:18.45vsayikiranabrotman: but i tried this before by mistake ....because i wont be able to launch gdm if xorg.conf file is not present
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20:19.14abrotmanvsayikiran: okay .. fine dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:19.15valdynTchaka: everything else, like santising your lan  pretty much goes beyond what i can do over this channel
20:19.37hovisWhen I make changes to /etc/network/interfaces and then issue `/etc/inet.d/networking restart`, that should update all my interfaces right?  ('Cause it's not...)
20:19.49Tchakavaldyn, shit I've no access to the fritzbox
20:20.03vsayikiranabrotman: actually when i started using linux sometime 2 year back then i mistakenly removed the xorg.conf file and when i restarted the lappy it gave me some error and i could not luanch gdm
20:20.03valdynTchaka: theres no way around that
20:20.15RatfinkI'm thinking of getting a debian live cd, what version should I get? (the names like lenny confuse me)
20:20.17abrotmanvsayikiran: are you going to keep arguing or go try it ?
20:20.47vsayikiranabrotman: so thats what i am telling i will rename and then run the reconfigure command... is it OK.....
20:21.22vsayikiranabrotman: yes i will try just give me ten minutes i'm chatting with another friend
20:21.24enoufvsayikiran: Lenny's Xorg does it differently
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20:21.36enouf!drxx
20:21.36dpkgTo reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up.  If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>.  From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>.  You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template.
20:22.07valdynRatfink: get lenny
20:22.21Tchakavaldyn, 192.168.178.22 is the ip of the netgear and 192.168.178.1 of the fritzbox?
20:22.23vsayikiranenouf: ok but i need some guidance from you and abrotman
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20:22.45enoufvsayikiran: and please don't ask for our time, when you don't have any .. and have you checked all the stuff i mentioned? like even 915resolution pkgs and config?
20:22.46valdynTchaka: i just read names in that traceroute output
20:22.51valdynTchaka: you can read..
20:22.59Ratfinkvaldyn: okay, thanks.
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20:24.13vsayikiranenouf: its not like that actually my friend came online just few minutes back
20:24.22Tchakavaldyn, Iam not very familiar with network
20:24.43valdynTchaka: thats ok, i already told you precisely what to do
20:24.49IntensityHow do I get Debian's kernel to boot initrd into an interactive debug mode where I get a /bin/sh within the initrd and can choose to mount my own root using switch_root?  Is there a kernel boot parameter for this?  Do I specify initrd but with a different init= parameter?
20:25.01vsayikiranenouf: you said to me to install vesa pkg but i have searched with aptitude i dont have such pkg
20:25.06valdynTchaka: fritz.box (192.168.178.1) /  localhost (192.168.178.22) <- I cant tell if that is netgear
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20:25.35vsayikiranenouf: then you told me to do some memtest86+ .... i will install it now....
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20:26.29Tchakavaldyn, thank you for your help
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20:28.08vsayikiranabrotman: now i will run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver ...suppose something wrong happens then what should i do?
20:28.09geophoenixis there a certificate for Debian ? like ubuntu certified profecional ?
20:28.16valdyngeophoenix: hah
20:28.24valdyngeophoenix: debian is non-profit
20:28.37Zvpungeophoenix: there is a certified bash manpage reader
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20:28.52geophoenixhmm
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20:31.28vsayikiranenouf: if i run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver and something wrong happens then what should i do?
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20:31.56bonwardhi, i need some help with skype
20:32.12sepskibonward, rm -rf or talk to a good lawyer
20:32.19bonwardeverything works ok with sound output, but i can't get it to work with the mic on debian
20:32.31bonwardoh?
20:32.59ewetvaldyn: so here is the strace - finally after _a lot_ of waiting: http://pastebin.com/mb9d0ca2
20:33.00sepskibonward, you have enabeled and selected the right mic in your mixer ?
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20:33.10Evilrickhow do I get fetchmail to deliver mail into my ~/Maildir folder so I can get it with courier imap
20:33.15bonwardbonward, i have both mics enabled
20:33.23geophoenix7 more users right ?
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20:33.30valdynEvilrick: fetchmail just does it
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20:33.54valdynEvilrick: your mda does even
20:34.06bonwardwhat information do you need from kmix (I am on kde 4.2)
20:34.08Evilrickmail ends up in /var/spool/mail
20:34.11valdynEvilrick: whats your mda?
20:34.27Evilrickexim I would assume
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20:34.38valdynEvilrick: whats your mda line in .fetchmailrc?
20:35.09bonwardi am also trying to record/playback with arecord/aplay but the sound is there at times, very low
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20:35.15bonwardi am a bit lost :/
20:35.44Evilrickuser "rick@blah.com", with password "xxxxx", is "rick" here;
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20:35.55valdynEvilrick: that line doesnt start with mda
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20:36.17valdynEvilrick: theres no mda line?
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20:36.30Evilrickok.. I'll google mda
20:36.43valdynEvilrick: that doesnt answer my question
20:37.22Evilrickwell I never used fetchmail before
20:37.29valdynEvilrick: ok
20:37.30Evilricktahts just what looked to be correct
20:37.39Evilrickbased on examples I found on the net
20:37.59valdynEvilrick: and your mta is exim4 ?
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20:38.17Evilrickyeah
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20:39.12valdynEvilrick: now set exim4 to use maildir, thats done by setting dc_localdelivery='maildir_home' in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, then running "update-exim4.conf" and restarting exim4
20:39.17geophoenixslaps his ISP
20:39.23n0nsense9~
20:39.25ewetokay to anyone still interested in helping me with my apt-cache problem: strace apt-cache policy gives this: http://pastebin.com/mb9d0ca2
20:39.29n0nsensegeophoenix: with what?
20:39.41n0nsensegeophoenix: with a LART? :-D
20:39.41FarhadixHi guys, I need sources.list file that set for using sid repositories, any can help me and paste that in a paste site?
20:39.43valdynEvilrick: mda in fetchmailrc can set an mda manually, the default is your mta, exim4 for you
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20:39.53geophoenixwith a knife
20:40.09n0nsenseFarhadix: http://n0nsense.xinutec.org/~n0nsense/sources.list
20:40.16ewetoh - and LANG=C apt-cache policy returns promptly!
20:40.20n0nsenseFarhadix: change every lenny to sid and uncomment last line ^^
20:40.21n0nsenseer
20:40.26n0nsensecomment-out last line
20:40.34ewetwithout _any_ memory problems - _every_ time!
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20:40.51Evilrickvaldyn: thanks for your help :)
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20:41.19abrotmanFarhadix: please don't use sid
20:41.26valdynewet: so you have a broken locale somewhere
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20:41.34Farhadixn0nsense, thanks
20:41.35abrotman!tell Farhadix about sid upgrade
20:41.36valdynewet: use debsums if you didnt
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20:41.43Farhadixabrotman, why
20:41.47abrotman!tell Farhadix about sid upgrade
20:41.53ewetvaldyn: so I suspect now...
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20:41.59avu!tell Farhadix about sid faq
20:42.01abrotmanFarhadix: if you can't even figure out how to install sid .. how are you going to fix it when it breaks ?
20:42.10Evilrickany idea what the correct way is to get fetchmail to check every 20 seconds?
20:42.17ewetvaldyn: debsums on apt was ok
20:42.21sepski*/20 * * *  in crontab
20:42.29sepskioh seconds 111
20:42.30avuthat's every 20 minutes
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20:42.36sepskijust noticed
20:42.44aburchEvilrick: IIRC fetchmail -d 20
20:42.45Evilrickdoes cron run it?
20:42.50EvilrickI thought it daemonised
20:42.59sepskiEvilrick, depends on how you do it
20:43.04valdynewet: that would include the locale messages for apt
20:43.04Farhadixthanks gutys
20:43.11soopyI am running etch and now for the 4.0r7 release with dist-upgrade I get a warning that some packets like php5-common need a version of glibc newere to be upgraded and so they will stay at the version that they are now.. How can i resolve this matter ? Should I upgrade glibc ?
20:43.12Farhadixguys
20:43.28Evilrickaburch: was wondering if there was a setting for /etc/default/fetchmail instead of modyfying the init.d script
20:43.30ewetvaldyn: _every_ part of debsums apt shows OK...
20:43.44Ing1hello
20:43.51n0nsenseno need to stay here... bye :-)
20:43.54aburchEvilrick: The OPTIONS= part of /etc/default/fetchmail?
20:43.56n0nsenseI just forgot to part ^^
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20:44.18ewetvaldyn: strace env LANG=C apt-cache policy gives this: http://pastebin.com/m54aafb29
20:44.23aburchEvilrick: I don't use it though.
20:44.54valdynewet: "strace -eopen apt-cache policy 2>&1 | grep locale " versus "LC_ALL=C strace -eopen apt-cache policy 2>&1 | grep locale"
20:45.47ewetvaldyn: please _not_ another strace could I also search the already known strace? please... (20min system havoc)
20:46.08ewetvaldyn: debsums apt gives http://pastebin.com/m4e99e7f6
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20:47.09valdynewet: use my lines, I dont want to read thru all that or filter myself
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20:47.34valdynewet: probably without the | grep locale though
20:47.48LooieENGanyone know a simple command that will return (as bytes) the disk size?
20:48.02LooieENGnot how much free space is left, not how much is used, JUST the size of the hdd
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20:48.12aburchLooieENG: cat /proc/partitions
20:48.14abrotmanof the partition or total disk ?
20:48.22LooieENGdisk
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20:50.14LooieENGactually, partition will be fine, but that didn't work aburch
20:50.23LooieENGcat: /proc/partitions: No such file or directory
20:50.34valdynLooieENG: are you on debian?
20:50.50LooieENGvaldyn: yeah, but it's on a VPS :/ Debian 4.0 minimal
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20:51.03valdynLooieENG: and no procfs mounted?
20:51.14LooieENGnope
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20:51.41ewetvaldyn: grep locale de_apt-cache.out gives http://pastebin.com/m10c6b7b0 grep locale c_apt-cache.out gives: open("/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive", O_RDONLY) = 3
20:51.59ewet-1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) does not look good :-/
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20:54.08LooieENGif I extract the info from df -H will it work on both a VPS and server?
20:54.14LooieENGit says simfs
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20:54.18valdynewet: thats fine
20:54.27valdynewet: regenerate locales : run locale-gen as root
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20:54.40geophoenix954 o.0
20:54.42prahalhi I am trying to output on an hd tv . There are a  bunch of custom modelines available on the net though I prefer to check the edid info but I am unable to find out how to get the edid of a secondary monitor
20:54.49geophoenixw0w
20:55.00prahalmyy primary being the internal display of the laptop
20:55.10valdynewet: does that list your de locale?
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20:55.20ewetvaldyn: yes
20:55.22valdynewet: locale de is what exactly for you?
20:55.29ZvpunI dont understand javac: non-static variable this cannot be referenced from a static context. at line 27 at http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=40331
20:55.35ewetvaldyn: german
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20:55.49ewetvaldyn: I mean apt-cache without LANG=C
20:55.50valdynewet: no, theres no locale thats just called "de", whats the complete name
20:55.56abrotmanZvpun: you want ##java
20:55.58prahalif I could find a way with a tool like read-edid that would be perfect . But a way with X -logverbose would be neat too
20:56.11valdynewet: whats the complete output of "echo $LANG"
20:56.11Zvpunabrotman: sorry mistake
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20:56.14ewetde_DE.ISO-8859-15@euro... de_DE.ISO-8859-1... de_DE.UTF-8...
20:56.28ewetde_DE.UTF-8 sorry
20:56.58ewetthat one before was the output of locale-gen
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20:58.51valdyn21:56 < valdyn> ewet: whats the complete output of "echo $LANG"
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20:59.27ewetvaldyn: [21:56] <ewet> de_DE.UTF-8
20:59.42nfx333)%
20:59.45valdynewet: see if apt-cache is still broken
20:59.45nfx333stupid
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21:00.09nfx333now 14 or 15 feb?
21:00.10nfx333UTC
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21:00.18valdynnfx333: 14
21:00.24nfx333valdyn: thx
21:00.30ewetvaldyn: it is - I stopped it in the very first stages of consuming all memory
21:00.56valdynewet: i think this must be related to your vps
21:01.01geophoenixok its 1 h remaining until 15feb
21:01.05valdynewet: its not the locale data itself
21:01.15ewetseems so
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21:01.53valdynewet: something that libc6 or apt is doing with locales is triggering it appearantly
21:02.02christoph_debiangeophoenix, s/1/3/g
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21:02.21ewetvaldyn: yes
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21:02.45ewetvaldyn: bug report...
21:02.48caverdudehi, how do I use vi to split a large text file into equal parts?
21:03.00abrotmancaverdude: man split
21:03.10datogeophoenix: 2h in my timezone, and many more hours in other timezones, fwiw.
21:03.26geophoenix:/
21:03.29Tchakavaldyn, I configured the fritzbox, everything is working :) thx again
21:03.33Wyzard8 hours here
21:03.37valdynTchaka: welcome
21:03.56abruptuspatrikf: I'm now using reportbug
21:04.00ewetvaldyn: just another torture through strace apt-cache with the new locales and then a bug report with it... I am very surprised that I am the first one (if I am)
21:04.17DustyDingocaverdude: dont use vi for that
21:04.20valdynewet: is vps without /proc common?
21:04.24DustyDingohave a look on 'split'
21:04.29zophyfirefox 306 keeps crashing for me, it just disappears and there is a message in .xsession-errors   -->  run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 12751 Segmentation fault      "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
21:04.35valdynewet: uh, or was that someone else?
21:04.44caverdudeabrotman thats a unix command? actually I was going to use vim for windows
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21:04.57abrotmancaverdude: then why are you asking here?
21:05.03DustyDingocaverdude: use winrar then :P
21:05.12abrotmancaverdude: and there is cygwin
21:05.30valdynewet: btw, i use your locale, it works fine on various boxes
21:05.32caverdudehrm
21:05.35caverdudeok
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21:07.07abruptuspatrikf: and I am asked (in novice mode) if the bug I found is in a given list, the options I am given are [ y N m r q s f ? ] what do [m r s f ?] mean
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21:07.59avuabruptus, that you can enter '?' to get the other ones explained to you :)
21:08.04ewetvaldyn: you lucky one - vps/proc? no idea -- thank you anyways :-)
21:08.32abruptusavu: oh ok I thought that was "I don't know" :)
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21:08.56parsifal_Is there a Flash player for Iceweasel in Lenny?
21:09.05parsifal_also, how do I upgrade to 5.0 now that it's out? :)
21:09.31abrotmanparsifal_: /msg dpkg adobe flash
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21:09.40asdfqwersomeone care to explain a secure way for adding a new user to my sudoers file?
21:09.40stewparsifal_: there is gnash and swfdec-mozilla for lenny
21:09.41abrotmanparsifal_: and if your sources.list points at lenny, you're done
21:09.56asdfqwerlike root is root ALL=(ALL) ALL
21:10.10asdfqwerwhich is fairly elusive since its root
21:10.11parsifal_abrotman, Oh, really? like Lenny is just already 5.0? I downloaded it like 2 days ago
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21:10.21parsifal_stew: Cool, thanks
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21:10.59prahalby the way there is a bug in initramfs if one have /etc/environment it parses whatever is at its last line as if it was LANG env variable .
21:11.05parsifal_stew: between gnash and swfdec, which do you recommend?
21:11.17stewparsifal_: i've only used gnash
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21:11.26prahalI ll report it as soon as possible if nobody find time to do test and reproduce .
21:11.27asdfqwern/m i found a good example
21:11.34ewetvaldyn: besides the errors are the same: -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) ...
21:11.53prahalparsifal_, gnash as a development tool definitely
21:11.56ewetbut deactivating the swapfile saved me a lot of hassle ^^
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21:12.03parsifal_stew: If I install mozilla-plugin-gnash, will that affect iceweasel?
21:12.07parsifal_prahal: good to know
21:12.16stewparsifal_: yes
21:12.23parsifal_stew: I figured; cool
21:12.37caverdudeI'm about to begin using debian some, the web host I am using uses debian
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21:12.52prahalonly it does not handle  amf yet :-( I still have to use the adobe debug player from time to time
21:13.02parsifal_prahal: what is amf?
21:13.35prahalparsifal_, a kind of "soap" made by marcomedia (remote procedure)
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21:13.43parsifal_prahal: ahh
21:14.19prahalKind of usefull when you need to upload things and a post is not an option
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21:14.42avuit's generally faster and nicer to use to communicate with backend servers from flash
21:14.48avu(than HTTP)
21:14.50prahalparsifal_, are you doing actionscript devel ?
21:15.04parsifal_prahal: Not at the moment, but I have
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21:15.51parsifal_brb Bioshock :)
21:16.05gravityI need to get a system that can actually run that game :-(
21:16.24prahalparsifal_, then give haxe a shot . It definitely is a viable option (lack of api documentation for the objects from adobe though they are weel documented on adobe site
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21:16.36parsifal_prahal: neat
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21:16.47GNR_Hello guys I have a problem, Because of a recent update of the avahi package in testing/lenny, everytime I start Gnome a message appears says that the avahi service is disabled because I belong to a local domain. Anyone knows what this is about?
21:16.57parsifal_gravity: I had the same problem. Then I ragged on my family and they pitched in and got me an Xbox 360 for Christmas ;)
21:17.09geophoenixhttp://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-N_UGFLT0VMY/manowar_die_for_metal_music_video/  do not fall asleep while waiting
21:17.13avuprahal, haxe is not compatible with as3 as mtasc was with as2
21:17.18parsifal_geophoenix,  haha
21:17.22avuprahal, so it's pretty much useless
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21:17.33geophoenixDie For Metal
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21:17.46prahalGNR_, yup means that your network domain (say mymachine.mydomain) is "local" which is not supported if you use bonjour/avahi
21:17.50parsifal_geophoenix, does someone actually die?
21:18.07GNR_prahal why before the update this message never appeared?
21:18.12geophoenixyeap
21:18.27parsifal_geophoenix, yes?? omg I'm not gonna watch it
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21:18.51prahalavu, it is . I just had to spend 4 hours to port my project from as2+mx to haxe with as3 like implementation (mostly spent learning peculiarities from as3)
21:19.15ferret_avu: aye, if you want to use haxe you have to basically learn yet another api that hardly anyone in the world will be able to help you with
21:19.26ferret_Better off using flex if you want as3
21:19.27prahalthough started from scratch with haxe it would take less time
21:19.39geophoenixhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VusHr-tnwY < u have to join this army before u listen to metal xD
21:19.41avuferret_, exactly. and there's tons of third party libs/stuff to use for as3
21:19.52avuand practically none for haxe
21:19.56avusame with IDE support
21:20.03prahalGNR_, I bet the error was not handled properly (no UI for it)
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21:20.15avunot that I use either of them much though, I'm just the backend-guy here :)
21:20.46abruptusI just figured out that there is barely official divx support for linux, are there any alternatives or is there even a newer version than 6.1.1
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21:21.19avuabruptus, there's xvid of course. if you're talking about divx the codec
21:21.29GNR_prahal, what is the best way to disable this message, error notification?
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21:21.50abruptusavu: huh is this basically the same codec?
21:21.56Guerinavu: use mplayer with w32codecs, and it'll play anything
21:21.59avuabruptus, and virtually any media player on linux can play any divx encoded file pretty much out of the box either way
21:22.03Guerinabruptus: ^
21:22.04avuabruptus, it's better
21:22.16Guerinxvid is a free-ish implementation of divx
21:22.19avuabruptus, it will make you rich and happy
21:22.29Guerinboth are wildly inferior to the mighty x.264
21:22.36avuheh
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21:23.09jelly-homeGuerin: where "wildly" means "industry said so"?
21:23.14windmillGuerin, I've never understood what is so great about x.264
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21:24.20prahalGNR_, http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAndUnicastDotLocal about how to disable the error without touching the settings I don't know . Maybe the error notification has a "don't show again", there could be a gconf setting , or maybe /etc/default/avahi-daemon
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21:24.30abruptusavu: cool, thanks, and Guerin: can I get w32codecs legally anywhere? And what if I want to play a divx video on a website?
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21:24.58Guerinjelly-home: no, where "wildly" means "objectively higher quality at lower bitrates, especially for high-motion videos"
21:25.10abruptusI think I already have mplayer installed
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21:25.35Guerinwindmill: basically, you can make your video files smaller without having them look like shit, or you can keep them the same size and have them look better
21:25.44jelly-homeGuerin: I never noticed.  It's possible my 3Mbps x264 IPTV provider is crap.
21:25.46Guerin(the cost is cpu time, both in encoding and decoding stages)
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21:26.53abruptusGuerin, oh and how does it actually make it look better when not compressing it?
21:27.06GNR_prahal thanks, Ok I will search for a solution, it was just strange that a default lenny installation pops-up error message on first boot
21:27.08ewetbtw is there a irc client where you can write notes concerning several nick names - not just ban them or watch them?
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21:29.05Guerinjelly-home: it's most noticeable at lower bitrates - sportscasts distributed by bittorrent is where my experience lies
21:29.11asgewet: not sure if there is one but it should be easy to hack such functionality into irssi
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21:29.32Guerinabruptus: it makes it look *less bad than other compression schemes*, not better than the original
21:29.46jakuubhi hi :-)
21:29.52jakuubwhat about lenny, when it will be ?
21:29.59abruptusGuerin: then I misunderstood that. ;)
21:30.02ewetasg: it would be most interesting to be able to record the nature of discussions you know... :-)
21:30.03Guerin!topicbadger jakuub
21:30.04dpkg/topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that jakuub didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic...
21:30.05jakuubi see last 2 bugs in bugtracker :-)
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21:30.57prahalparsifal_, avu : yep haxe is not fitted if you want to do things with dependencies on third party classes (as there is only alpha quality papervision  port and such problems ) . Though for developping swf9/10 I find it the best if you need to develop 1/on linux 2/with core needs only. Yes flex is a good option too . With both one should be able to fulfill any development needs for actionscript.
21:30.59jakuubshit :-)
21:31.03asgewet: again, you could hack that into irssi using the scripting interface. If you just want to cull certain conversations, it, as most other clients, has a logging feature that you could then edit after the fact.
21:31.10jakuub1/2 month, it`s bad
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21:31.25ST47dpkg is a bot, right?
21:31.27dpkgST47: I give up, what is it?
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21:31.31ST47K.
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21:31.50asg!botsnak
21:31.52asg!botsnack
21:31.53dpkgasg: :)
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21:31.58ewetasg: irssi sure is a mighty client - does it have utf?
21:31.58prahalnobody for a secondary monitor edid detection issue ? which are the tools available to diagnose (read-edid only manages the primary monitor, xresproble seems obsolete)
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21:32.16eweti think that was the issue with it...
21:32.19vsayikiranwhen will lenny release
21:32.39geophoenixsomeday
21:32.45geophoenixtoday
21:32.50asgewet: not sure about that but someone else here may know
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21:33.07ewetthat's for sure :-)
21:33.20monkeyblackis debian 4.0 using the latest linux kernel?
21:33.37vsayikirangeophoenix: today means according to which timezone
21:33.38jakuubmmm good luck :-)
21:33.46jakuubthis night will be long
21:34.00geophoenixwell
21:34.37geophoenixi do not really know which timezone
21:34.41td123monkeyblack: no
21:35.13td123monkeyblack: even 5.0 isn't going to use latest
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21:35.31monkeyblackso I should update once debian is installed?
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21:35.41stewmonkeyblack: 4.0 has 2.6.18 and 2.6.24
21:35.53stewmonkeyblack: what do you need a newer kernel for?
21:35.55jelly-homemonkeyblack: it depends on why you need the "newest"
21:36.04td123stew: probably ext4
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21:36.16Zvpunmonkeyblack: if you need a very new kernel add kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel to your sources list, otherwise dont bother and take the default kernel.
21:36.24jakuubyes
21:36.37bzedZvpun: don't bother is the better option.
21:36.43jakuubyou can download kernel from other source
21:36.49PhorcePI just accidentally re-wrote my /boot partition with fsck.  Have not rebooted, how would I go about recovering it?
21:36.52bzedZvpun: the buildserver.net kernels may be broken at any time
21:37.14Zvpunbzed: if your laptop is broken because your wlan chipset is not supported, whats the lesser evil?
21:37.17bzedPhorceP: fschk doesn't break things
21:37.23jakuubi have great question
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21:37.31stewand compiling out of tree modules for a buildserver kernel would be problematic on etch
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21:37.55td123stew: would compiling vanilla kernels on lenny be a problem?
21:38.06Guerintd123: no.
21:38.13stewtd123: no
21:38.16jakuubwhat will we do, if debian will be run out of toy story names ?;-)
21:38.17td123err, I meant using :P
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21:38.32antiiijust installed debian from cd, got ethernet and all but cant find any packages?
21:38.38patrikfjakuub: take over pixar and make another movie
21:38.41antiiiadded # before the things in sources.list config
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21:38.45td123fixed my question: would using vanilla kernels on lenny be a problem?
21:38.54jakuubaha
21:38.56jakuubi think :-)
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21:39.25jakuubi have taught that debian has slow develop model due to small number of toy story names :-)
21:39.44rafuch0what happen when you get to the point when you almost know a lot stuff of debian... lets say that you consider a expert user and you want more information more technical information ....where you can go? what book to reed? or what to do? to get to next level?
21:39.45Zvpunhahaha this is realy great
21:40.08td123rafuch0: use a different distro
21:40.09Zvpunrafuch0: become a maintainer
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21:40.35jakuublol :-) kubuntu is best (joke)
21:40.44td123being an expert in one distro doesn't make you an expert in another
21:40.45jakuubis the best :-)
21:40.52prahalPhorceP, make an image of the disc and work on the image
21:41.05jakuubpatrikf: and what about pornstars ?;-)
21:41.14jakuubpatrikf: i think it`s probably better :-)
21:41.33patrikfjakuub: I wasn't saying it had to be an animation movie ;-)
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21:41.43jakuubpatrikf: debian 14.0 alias silvia saint :D
21:41.58td123oh god
21:42.09patrikfwell if we end up THERE I certainly will question our then release managers.
21:42.21aarkerio15.0 Natascha Grey
21:42.28geophoenix..
21:42.40sepskijakuub, we'd never ever run out of names that's for sure
21:42.49td123aarkerio: by then, she's going to be old and wrinkly and no one's going to look at her :D
21:42.55jakuubxD
21:43.14jakuubsepski: stop with toy story, lets make names of pornstars :)
21:43.24td123wait a second, that could describe debian :P except the "no one's going to look at her" part
21:43.27PhorcePbzed: So you think just reboot and normal disk maint will restore the partition?
21:43.44td123I call debian 10 mandingo
21:43.52jakuub;]
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21:44.12jakuubi think pornstars are good
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21:45.03sepskithey probably have copyrights on their artist names
21:45.07sepski:P
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21:46.07jakuublol
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21:46.10jakuublet`s make it
21:46.15patrikfabruptus: how's the bug report doing?
21:46.20jakuubin stores will be box with porn image of porn star
21:46.27jakuuband on the front will be debian logo :D
21:46.44jakuubit`s good shop article
21:47.00jakuubpeople`ll think that it`s porn, but it will be gnu/linux system :-)
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21:47.23asdfqweris it a god idea to create a user (say www) for handling all web-services as a way to fakeroot?
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21:47.46karmatronicasdfqwer: recommended for apache
21:47.47td123jakuub: under the pornstar will be the logo "long live freedom, man!"
21:47.53karmatronicadama_: and for most services
21:47.53asdfqwerso say i have like 10 users; their root would be to run something as www
21:48.07jakuub:-)
21:48.39sepskiasdfqwer, there allready is a www-data user
21:48.47asdfqweroh there is, eh?
21:49.26Wyzard_hmm...  I upgraded a Xen domU from etch to lenny and the new kernel isn't booting  :-/
21:49.32jelly-homejakuub: your ' has gone all wonky and `-like.
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21:50.16abruptuspatrikf: well still not ready. I'm using "reportbug" or so in novice mode and currently I'm viewing another bugreport which says "I recommend upgrading this package to latest upstream version 0.3.0. As an example, it's needed to build anjuta trunk." the report is on libgbf-1-1" and I don't know if that was the same bug that I figured out
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21:50.30prahalWyzard, what was the error
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21:50.49prahalroot vfs not found or else ?
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21:51.40asdfqwersepski, well isn't that convient
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21:51.56asdfqwersepski, did apache include that?
21:52.00patrikfabruptus: it's not related.
21:52.17Wyzard_prahal: It seems to be even failing to start the kernel...  the log says the domain crashed, and if I start it with "xm create -c" I get my prompt back without any messages at all from the domain's console
21:52.22karmatronicasdfqwer: yes
21:52.27abruptuspatrikf: ok
21:52.28patrikfabruptus: the update has been made, the trouble is that libgbf-1-dev replaces a file that previously was in libgbf-1-0 but doesn't conflict with libgbf-1-0.
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21:52.34karmatronicasdfqwer: wwwrun i guess
21:52.45DigBigDudes ... have you seen this website ??? www.digbigbrotherjenson.be ...
21:52.53asdfqwerthey can't access serverroot though, can they?
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21:53.31Wyzard_prahal: I can still boot it with the old kernel, so it seems like it must be a problem with the new vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-xen-686
21:53.43karmatronicasdfqwer: well your server root can only be accessed depending on how its related to DocumentRoot
21:54.08karmatronicasdfqwer: and if you allow browsing directories which doesnt contain an index.* file
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21:57.24asdfqwerkarmatronic, seems like it'd be safer to use /home/user/site
21:57.33asdfqwerprobably a lot more tasking though
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21:58.15abruptuspatrikf: and why can't it overwrite? if it already upgrades libgdf-1-0 to 1-1
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21:58.55patrikfabruptus: because aptitude didn't know it and tried to install libgdf-1-dev *before* removing libgdf-1-0
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22:00.28Ratfinkis there an official Debian live CD torrent?
22:00.38asdfqwerI just discovered this ancient mysterious UNIX wheel group
22:01.07patrikfRatfink, http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/, they probably have a torrent.
22:01.15Ratfinkthanks, I'll check
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22:01.44patrikfRatfink: but be aware of the difference Debian Live <-> Debian installation media
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22:02.39RatfinkI didn't want an installation media, I just wanted to see what debian was like
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22:02.55jakuubpomtidom
22:03.06gewtwant 5.0
22:03.44patrikfRatfink: alright then
22:04.20abruptuspatrikf: I'm a bit confused... because removing would mean, there wouldn't be any occurences of overwriting a file, right?
22:04.21xittumgewt: then install it
22:04.22Zvpunwant pizza
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22:04.48patrikfabruptus: yes. but as it plans to remove the package after installing -1-dev, it's still there at the time -1-dev is unpacked.
22:05.01lumis_Zvpun: you and me both :)
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22:05.13abruptuspatrikf: yes of course
22:05.14asdfqwer!tell me about wheel
22:06.20RatfinkAHA! I found a Debian KDE 4.2 Live CD!
22:06.42RatfinkJust what I wanted!
22:06.43gewt:o
22:06.57abruptuspatrikf: how do you tell aptitude that it can either overwrite that file because it is anyways being updated or remove the package in which the file is first.. well.. which way does it handle it?
22:06.58gewtsues kdemod 4.0 on arch
22:07.01gewtuses*
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22:07.06gewton my desktop.
22:07.09gewtserver runs debian.
22:07.13gewt(vps)
22:07.17gewthome servers run fbsd
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22:07.39patrikfabruptus: usually, one would set the Conflicts: field in a package, telling aptitude that two package can't be installed at the same time.
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22:07.55patrikfabruptus: you basically just need to post the aptitude output, I can add relevant information to the bug then.
22:08.10xittumRatfink: where? sounds unofficial - to get a impression of debian i think it would be better to install into a virtual machine.. or even better on your harddrive :)
22:08.17abruptuspatrikf: does it then decide to remove the conflicting package first, or to ignore any files related with it?
22:08.23jakuubokay :-)
22:08.27jakuub52 minutes to midnight
22:08.33jakuuband 5.0 nowhere
22:08.44lumisjakuub: I know :(
22:08.45patrikfabruptus: it would then remove the other package first, I think.
22:08.53jakuubwhen it will be :-)
22:08.57jakuubcoders lets roll 1
22:09.01Zvpunisnt it midnight already in UTC?
22:09.11jakuubokay
22:09.18jakuubyou have 110 minutes :-)
22:09.18lumisit's 22:09 here (GMT)
22:09.18jelly-homexittum: since kde 4.2 at present only happens to be in experimental repositories and requires use of Debian unstable, it probably _is_ unofficial.
22:09.19datoZvpun: it's 22 in UTC
22:09.20lumislol
22:09.21patrikfZvpun: to more hours
22:09.22abruptuspatrikf: but wouldnt that be a bit too much of work removing the package instead of ignoring...
22:09.27xittumtypes "cat /etc/debian_version" - 5.0 is here
22:09.31jakuubi am utc + 1
22:09.35r1d3rRatfink: Where did you find the KDE 4.2 live cd?
22:09.46datoand let's say the announcement will come 14th... Hawaii time, most likely.
22:09.50jakuubdo you think that the`ll make it ?
22:09.55jakuubin 110 minutes :-)
22:10.00patrikfabruptus: no. if two packages want to install the same file, they can't coexist.
22:10.01xittumjelly-home: as i said ;)
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22:10.12setienthey i got a wierd problem
22:10.15datothe images really take a long time, and we don't want to do the announcements until they are properly mirrored, torrents seeded, etc.
22:10.25patrikfabruptus: otherwise, one of those two packages would be broken anyways.
22:10.26jelly-homejakuub: there's still plenty of time until 23:59:59, UTC+12
22:10.30setienta LAMP problem.  A very stupid Lamp problem.  If i change   AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 .php
22:10.40setient<PROTECTED>
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22:10.42patrikfabruptus: so aptitude forces you to select only one of them (or it will suggest one package to be removed automatically)
22:10.42jakuubjelly-home: thats bad :-)
22:10.44dato(and hi!, btw; I'm one of the members of the release team)
22:10.46setientor remove one it works any ideas
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22:10.53baf_hi
22:10.53jakuubits GMT time :-) not UTC + 12
22:10.54jakuub:D
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22:11.07Zvpundato: is there some release ticker?
22:11.15datoticker?
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22:11.18patrikfI liked the idea of a twitter feed
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22:11.38Zvpunblog or something?
22:11.38patrikf"twits from the (release|ftp|cd) team", whatever
22:11.45baf_hmm, so it seem lenny is still not out
22:11.54lxsameerhi , how can i use debmirror for updating my local repository
22:11.55jelly-homedato: Hi! Never mind the release, can you make Amarok 2.0.1.1 be less buggy?
22:11.57jelly-home;-)
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22:12.22datopatrikf: I wanted to do twitter, but we had people that preferred not to do twitter and use an own blog, but nobody had time to set it up, I'm afraid.
22:12.24abruptuspatrikf: oh ok but if it is exactly the same file?
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22:12.43patrikfabruptus: then there shouldn't be two packages providing it ;-)
22:12.48datojelly-home: I no longer maintainer Amarok, but I'll be releasing Minirok 2.0 tomorrow </shameless plug>
22:12.50abruptuspatrikf: haha ok :)
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22:13.17xittumdato: build on what?
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22:13.40datoxittum: build what on what, sorry?
22:13.45jelly-homedato: will it have... lastfm?
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22:14.05xittumdato: minrok - but i think i get it now.. a joke right? :)
22:14.07datojelly-home: you mean submission or radio?
22:14.14DeSianjakuub: i will Lenny Stable, is the wor finished completely no previous or later. set a dato to Released version from debian, 14 feb or semptember 2008 make nonsense, and harms Debian Project credibility.
22:14.14jelly-homedato: that too.
22:14.23datoxittum: no, it's not a joke: http://chistera.yi.org/~adeodato/code/minirok/
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22:14.44datojelly-home: it does submission, but I don't think it'll ever make radio, no.
22:14.51jelly-homedato: I've tried the current one but it was too light for my taste.
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22:15.08datojelly-home: perfectly understandable, it's very... mini.
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22:16.18DeSiansimply said: the lenny will be released soon, not 14 feb 09, from 01:00 utc to 00:00.
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22:16.48xittumdato: oh nice - amarok 2 seems to need a few more numbers before its stable (as if it has ever been..hehe)
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22:17.53datoit's rather unfortunate that "14 Feb" got pushed out as a final date, since I really announced it for (literally) "The weekend of February 14th", and then some miscomunication happened.
22:18.25setientWhy is the php5 package always broken on debian.
22:18.52arezeydato, it's still february 14th on some parts of the world
22:18.59jelly-homesetient: there's a number of reasons; which breakage in specific you dislike?
22:19.10datoarezey, that's the spirit!
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22:19.40arezeydato, and you said "the weekend of february 14th" . sunday belongs to that weekend :)
22:19.59miksuhwwlr: damn, it's 15th here already... but i live in Finland :)
22:20.02Zvpunalso they still have to add some breakage to php5
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22:20.07miksuhdamn, it's 15th here already... but i live in Finland :)
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22:20.08arezeyhi-fives miksuh
22:20.19miksuhthat was not for the wwlr :)
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22:20.39datoarezey: yes; but 2009-02-14 got very publicized, and many people are complaining already ;-)
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22:20.51nfx333still 14 feb UTC?
22:20.58arezeyfor two more hours
22:21.02ZvpunI assume there is much more excitement than complainment
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22:21.32nightglider28dato: I am very eager, but I'm glad you don't push it out the door when you want it out the door like *cough* some other distros.
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22:21.46nightglider28nfx333:
22:21.49nightglider28damnit.
22:22.11nightglider28nfx333: Only 1722 in EST.
22:22.18nfx333nightglider28: thx
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22:22.46datoZvpun: yes, of course. it is just very sad because the ones that complain make very noise and hurt a lot. check, for example, http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2009/02/14/lenny-release.html. this developer spent literally half day working, and then he gets comment #2 spit in his/our face. but that's the way it is, and I accept that, and thank everybody for your support! ;-)
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22:22.59setientjelly-home: the fact that if i change the php handler to handle .html files.  it works.  it interperts the php files.  When i try to use a .php file, it asks to download
22:23.05setientI am starting to lose my mind.
22:23.13Zvpundato: I am, for one, are very excited
22:23.17dato:-)
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22:23.29arezeyactually is much more keen on squeeze becoming testing rather than lenny becoming stable
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22:23.58ewet^^
22:24.00Knorrie:)
22:24.05nightglider28arezey: I though unstable was sid?
22:24.09Zvpundato: besides who said life was fair?
22:24.14patrikfdato: at least #3 follows up to spit #2 in the face. ;-)
22:24.16Knorrienightglider28: and will always be
22:24.17arezeynightglider28, and will always be
22:24.20arezeyhahahahah
22:24.20Knorriewow
22:24.27nightglider28....
22:24.31Knorriearezey: *clap hands*
22:24.33Knorrielol
22:24.35arezeynow how was that possible?
22:24.38Knorriehehehehe
22:24.41Knorriedunno
22:24.49Knorriebut it's funny
22:24.50setientjelly-home: any ideas :(
22:24.57jelly-homesetient: I never understood why it was AddType and not AddHandler.
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22:24.59nightglider28Slightly confusing but makes sense.  That kid was quite unstable.
22:25.13nsadminnightglider28 unstable is sid, will remain sid (unless they change things) and sid will never be released
22:25.14Zvpunis there a list of parties somewhere?
22:25.15nightglider28So it's only the testing branch that gets a new name?
22:25.24arezeystable was etch and will be lenny
22:25.29arezeytesting was lenny and will be squeeze
22:25.34arezeyunstable will always be sid
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22:25.40setientjelly-home: tried both.
22:25.57epsilonI have an Xeon CPU I can't figure ouit which one exactly... it's running with amd64, so can I assume it has to support EMT64? or can a 32cpu booted with amd64-kernel?
22:26.00nightglider28arezey: Never knew that, before.  Thanks. :)
22:26.31arezeynp
22:26.31\amethystepsilon:  it definitely supports EMT64, or you wouldn't be able to run an amd64 kernel
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22:26.38\amethystepsilon:  cat /proc/cpuinfo
22:26.39jelly-homesetient: what do the response headers look like for a .html and a .php URL after activating your change?
22:26.42arezeyout to sleep, hopefully testing will be squeeze when he wakes up
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22:26.50arezeynight!
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22:27.26\amethystepsilon:  under the flags, 'lm' means it supports 64-bit mode
22:27.28epsilon\amethyst: I have that outpiut (and of dmidecode) in front of me, but I see no flag saying anything about 64bit... strange
22:27.28nightglider28'night, arezey. :)
22:27.41epsilonah, lm I see it
22:27.43setienthere is the wierd thing
22:27.46\amethystepsilon:  'lm' is an abbreviation for 'long mode'
22:27.48setientit is now showing up int eh access log.
22:28.01epsilonand what's cpu flag for HVT?
22:28.07setientthe php ones but the html files do
22:28.17setientthis is really really just wierd.
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22:28.49epsilonthere's exectly 2 Xeon CPU modell matching my CPU then - one can VT, one can't VT (rest is same)
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22:28.58qquick_Hi, I've got a problem with ext3. I had a power cut and my machine refused to boot.  I ran fsck, it then preceded to copy my whole root directory to lost+found. Is there an easy way to reverse the process ?
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22:29.10setientand not in the error log
22:29.23setientqquick_: not really
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22:30.16qquick_ass. Is that normal for ext3 ?. I've never used it on a machine before. Surely it should survive a power cycle.
22:30.20Knorriesadly not
22:30.28\amethystsetient:  I think vmx or svm
22:30.29Knorrieit should
22:31.03setient\amethyst: hmm vmx or svm?
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22:31.47\amethystsetient:  oops, wrong nick-complete
22:31.54\amethystepsilon:  I think vmx or svm
22:32.04setientjelly-home: wierd amirite?
22:32.25setientIt is just not handling the php files right yet it can handle .html files or i bet
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22:33.08setientif i add a handler for .doo
22:33.11setientand rename the file.doo
22:33.19setientit works, interperts the php displays the phpinfo page
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22:36.31carpenterguyhad problems with wireless in kde after update. Installed gnome and removed kde, wireless works again. How can I find what network manager or vers. I am using?
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22:38.56shamessFor some reason, SSH just seems to randomly stop working sometimes. I don't know when it decides to turn itself off (or crash, I guess), but typically when I try to log on using SSH I get a "network not found" error. I have to log in with telnet and start SSH (first time I had to do that, I tried restarting, but it said it wasn't running). Does anyone know where I should start looking to see where the problem is? I'm fairly new with all things linux.
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22:39.33ZvpunIs there a list of release parties?
22:39.41valdynshamess: at your router / firewall
22:40.08valdynshamess: err, if its really crashing, at your hardware
22:40.21shamessvaldyn: this is on my virtual private server, so I really can't access any of the hardware...
22:40.33shamessI was worried someone would say hardware though...
22:40.51valdynshamess: well, ssh is an extremely reliable piece of software
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22:41.01valdynshamess: which is why im saying that h/w faults are more likely
22:41.02stonedrise and shine
22:41.04shamessvaldyn: yeah, I assumed so.
22:41.05sparrcan I copy the contents of an install CD ISO to a usb drive and boot from it?  do i have to take any other steps?
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22:41.16geophoenix!lenny status
22:41.16dpkgBarring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>.  ISO generation in progress
22:41.17shamessvaldyn: any idea where any errors would go though, if there were any?
22:41.21valdynshamess: and virtualisation adds one layer, i cant debug this..
22:41.31setientshamess: is it a virtuozzo based virtual machine
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22:41.35valdynshamess: crashes should show in syslog by default i believe
22:41.49setientor openvz
22:42.01shamessI've really no idea how they're virtualising.
22:42.02setientcuz openvz/virtuozzo kill processes when you run out of certain resource limits
22:42.08setientwhere are you buying it from
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22:42.24valdynshamess: and dmesg
22:42.38valdynshamess: like this:  spamd[5525]: segfault at dfedc4a ip b7bc0d55 sp bfa587c0 error 4.....
22:42.48valdynshamess: except this isnt sshd.
22:43.06shamessOhh, I am on limited resources at the moment... I'm renting from http://www.redwoodvirtual.com/, so their cheapest package which isn't amazing.
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22:43.19valdynshamess: check for the oom killer
22:43.28valdynsetient: or do these systems use something else?
22:43.35shamessI should probably switch to a better provider, I've been having all sorts of weird problems with them.
22:43.49carpenterguyrephrase my question, has network been a problem on lenny like it has been on another distro?
22:43.56shamessI just can't afford to at the moment, and there are thousands of companies, it's hard to find a good one to trust...
22:44.02valdyncarpenterguy: thats a silly question
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22:44.48valdyn!tell carpenterguy -about ask
22:44.49valdyncarpenterguy: half the internet is built with linux distros, its not a problem.
22:44.49carpenterguynetwork manager
22:44.49Knorrieshamess: try slicehost?
22:44.51valdyncarpenterguy: you still need to ask a specific question
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22:45.09valdyncarpenterguy: youre free to not use network-manager too
22:45.21ewetvery free indeed
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22:45.55ewetso free you should take the opportunity!
22:45.57forceslenny is stable right now?
22:46.18nightglider28forces: No.
22:46.42forceswhen lenny will be stable?
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22:47.17ewetQOTD ^^
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22:47.40gravityforces: /topic
22:47.46nightglider28ewet: QOTD?
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22:48.29forcesroad today
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22:49.06shamessKnorrie: If you don't mind me asking, why'd you recommend them? Are they the people you're using?
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22:49.23s1kxis it possible to do a a full dist upgrade over SSH or do i have to have console access?
22:49.38petemcs1kx: works fine over ssh
22:49.47s1kxhow exactly?
22:50.05alexxoidhi guys, does anybody have been setuped a voxware metasound decoder?
22:50.11dondelelcaros1kx: you ssh in, and follow the release notes
22:50.13Knorrieshamess: yes my company is
22:50.26geophoenixhas no pills
22:50.27beardyYou read them through before starting.
22:50.33bzeds1kx: probably start screen first and do it in there, in case your connection dies
22:50.39Knorrieshamess: and i'm really happy with it
22:50.41ewetnightglider28: Queen Of The Damned?
22:50.45s1kxhehe thanks for the warning :P
22:50.45nightglider28As long as I have Etch in my sources.list and don't do a dist-upgrade, I won't pull any Lenny packages, correct?
22:50.51ewetor Question of the Day
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22:50.54dondelelcaronightglider28: that's correct
22:50.58nightglider28ty
22:51.02nightglider28ewet: What about it?
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22:51.44Knorrieshamess: slicehost is a "We built a hosting company for people who know their stuff"
22:51.54boxxertrumpsHey, what do you guys think i should use for an authentication server? basically i want to setup something so that the user logs in and their home directory is on a nfs
22:51.58nightglider28dondelelcaro: I have two boxes that are about two hours away and don't really have anyone who can get to them in a hurry if an upgrade goes wrong, so I'm watching deb-devel-announce and waiting about a week. :)
22:52.11Knorrieshamess: you can get a bare-bones debian on xen, and do whatever you want with that
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22:52.53boxxertrumpsthere any ways to get that done efficiently?
22:53.00dondelelcaroboxxertrumps: ldap is the typical thing, with libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap, but it really depends what you're doing
22:53.23ewetI suppose there will be an announcement when the debian team starts to maintain security updates for testing again?
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22:53.25boxxertrumpsdondelelcaro: small, 5-10 user thing
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22:54.14shamessKnorrie: Oh, nice. They don't seem to have a problem with people running IRC bots either (which are just something I'm playing around with, with my course friends) - a lot of companies I've found don't like them for some reason.
22:54.40setientirc bots are silly
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22:54.45setientthey cause you to get ddosed usually
22:54.51Knorrieshamess: as long as you're a nice netizen, no...
22:55.15Knorriethere are nice bots (like gozerbot.org) ;]
22:55.45boxxertrumpsoh my, "E: Couldn't find package ldap"
22:55.54shamessKnorrie: I'm nice enough. :) I won't be able to switch any time soon (being a poor student and all), but if you wanna give me your referral email or code, I'll use it when I eventually do sign up.
22:55.56Knorrieaptitude update?
22:56.30setientKnorrie: is it rapidxen ?
22:56.32Knorrieshamess: i dont mind, just pm me
22:56.41Knorrierapidwhat?
22:56.43setienthehe
22:56.46setientthat is my vps provider
22:56.49setientxen based badass
22:56.58boxxertrumpsnothing :/
22:57.18Knorrieboxxertrumps: apt-cache search ldap
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22:57.38dazmanYea.. there is no package "ldap".. do a search and choose whichever you need :)
22:57.45geophoenixgoodnight,bye
22:57.46Knorrieboxxertrumps: probably you're looking for slapd or whatever
22:57.49Knorriegonn
22:57.52Knorriegeophoenix: nn
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22:58.26boxxertrumpsyeah, slapd
22:58.30boxxertrumpsthanks guys
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22:59.31paxcoderhey people i mounted an image with a loopback to a directory, but i can't make file system on it, it says it has 0 size
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22:59.56ewet_any answer? (lag...)
22:59.57paxcoderthe image, although filled with 0's weighs 50 megs. is there a way for me to make a FS on it?
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23:00.33nightglider28ewet_: Yes?
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23:02.24eweti meant any answer concerning testing security updates - asked at [23:53]
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23:02.31nightglider28Ah.
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23:03.50datoewet: yes, there should be one
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23:04.52ewetdato: that would be my day when i switch to testing again :-)
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23:05.37datoewet: you could send a mail to the testing security team asking when that's going to be
23:05.59ewetorly? better not :-)
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23:06.48MarkJonesDang this is dissapointing.
23:06.54eweti would maybe after two weeks ...
23:07.40miksuhboxxertrumps: try slapd :)
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23:08.29valdynpaxcoder: why would you mount it before creating the fs?
23:08.36datoewet: yeah, I didn't mean right now or tomorrow. ;-)
23:08.36miksuhoh nevermind, you already got it
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23:23.55d-bis debian lenny out yet ?
23:23.57ice799Hi - I am running debian etch amd64 and everything works great, except one minor thing. I've followed the directions on Etch Backports, but I can't seem to get wine installed
23:24.13ice799when I try "apt-get install wine" I get a list of "unmet dependencies"
23:24.17nightglider28d-b: No..
23:24.22Wyzard_d-b: "stable" is lenny on the apt mirrors, but the CD images aren't finished yet
23:24.31d-bWyzard_: so that's a yet.
23:24.34d-byes*
23:24.41ice799I am guessing that perhaps apt won't go to the backports to get the dependencies by default, maybe that is why it won't install?
23:24.47Guerinalso, the mirror update takes a while
23:25.09niereice799: this might be due to the fact that dependencies for wine/backports are newer in backports, but won't be installed (because of pinning)
23:25.23Guerinso your local mirror might not be go as yet - try one of the central ones if you can't wait
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23:25.43d-bGuerin: my local is a debian sponsor it , i'm guessing it is
23:25.49niereice799: you can override that with -t etch-backports
23:25.58ice799niere: Is that bad?
23:26.16Guerind-b: why guess, when you can check?
23:26.21niereice799: depends on the dependent packages ;)
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23:26.40d-bGuerin: good point ^^
23:27.09ice799niere: So, let's say I install it and other stuff starts acting weird, how can I remove those packages? Can I just do: apt-get -t etch-backports remove --purge wine  ?
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23:28.25karmatronic!lenny
23:28.25dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release (5.0, currently also known as "testing"). Lenny will be released real soon now.... To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>.  Lenny is the binoculars.  See also <wwlr> <testing> and <lenny status>.
23:28.50karmatronic!lenny status
23:28.51dpkgBarring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>.  ISO generation in progress  Mirrors now show stable => lenny.
23:29.12karmatronic!wwlr
23:29.13dpkg[wwlr] Lenny (5.0) will hopefully release on February 14, 2009. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00002.html http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable. Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>.
23:29.19jelly-homekarmatronic: msg the bot
23:29.19nightglider28I'm waiting for the iso's.
23:30.05niereice799: it's certainly possible, but i don't know of a trivial command to do that
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23:30.18niereice799: but perhaps someone else knows ;)
23:30.19nightglider28Which iso is usually the most downloaded?
23:30.32nightglider28I want to help seed it when they come out.
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23:31.27Wyzard_nightglider28: I intend to seed the i386 and amd64 netinst and businesscard CDs, and full DVDs
23:31.32nightglider28Assuming it's useful to me, at least.
23:32.00nightglider28Wyzard_: I would, but I'd rather seed faster to fewer people than slower to many.
23:32.18nightglider28And my upstream is only about 150k.
23:32.25Wyzard_doesn't matter; you're distributing the same amount of software either way
23:32.37Wyzard_hmm, I just saw my ghost disappear
23:32.39nierenightglider28: that sounds more like "slower to fewer people" ;)
23:33.10karmatronicreally fun to wait for the new release...
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23:33.47Wyzardkarmatronic: You can upgrade to it already; it's just the install CDs that are still being worked on
23:33.53nightglider28niere: It's better than the connection I used to be on.  19k tops. :P
23:33.56WyzardI just finished upgrading one of my machines a little while ago
23:34.05karmatronicWyzard: actaully , i use testing
23:34.30Wyzardah, so you're not actually planning on installing lenny on anything
23:34.31karmatronicWyzard: but i think this new release is good to propose to clients at work
23:34.48nightglider28karmatronic: What do these clients do?
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23:35.28karmatronicWyzard: well there are a lot :)
23:35.42nightglider28Either way, I'm going to throttle the number of peers who connect to me so *my* connection doesn't get nuked.
23:36.18karmatronicWyzard: but they basically run apache,tomcat,jboss,postfix,vsftpd and so on
23:36.25karmatronicWyzard: also oracle and sap...
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23:36.41Wyzardkarmatronic: nightglider28 is the one who asked
23:36.48nightglider28karmatronic: :P
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23:37.29jamonkarmatronic: we have hundres of customers running those things at work, many have been on lenny for a few months
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23:38.19karmatronicjamon: i would propose a testing release to a client,though i use it on my personal servers and laptops
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23:38.27karmatronicjamon: mean i wouldnt
23:38.49teratomaanyone ever try to net boot with lenny and fai a machine with a broadcom eth card ?
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23:39.02nightglider28I've had Lenny on my laptop for about...almost since I've had it (~6 mos.)
23:39.06jamonkarmatronic: yeah fair enough, and then there's ubuntu :p
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23:39.17nightglider28Ick.
23:39.55Sertsemorning
23:40.04Sertse"mirrors now show stable" :)
23:40.10nightglider28Morn.
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23:41.00d-bteratoma: um... i have a tg3 here and that works...
23:41.01karmatronicjamon: not really into the ubuntu thing.good copy though,and great marketing
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23:41.12teratomad-b: you netbooted with fai ?
23:41.20jamonkarmatronic: i know what you mean
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23:41.33Raylzhm, gmt+1: 0:43, wheres my release ;(
23:41.49d-bteratoma: nari mean the kernel works. i don't know if it can netboot- > as in my eth is supported by the kernel.
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23:41.55jamonkarmatronic: and it keeps me busy when they've had enough of it and want me to migrate their boxen to debian
23:42.37teratomad-b: are you using lenny ?
23:42.41themillRaylz: the mirrors show the release. And if you read the announcement, it was just "we hope to start the release process on Feb 14"
23:42.43d-bteratoma: yeah
23:42.58teratomad-b: the driver for my card was in etch, but now it's in nonfree in lenny
23:43.05karmatronicjamon: spanish?
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23:43.18d-bteratoma: that's to bad. i guess you might not be able to netboot then.
23:43.22miksuhRaylz: there is still some parts of this planet which have 14th day :)
23:43.28d-bi suggest you get a different thernet card...
23:43.31jamonkarmatronic: hola
23:43.36Raylzmiksuh: i know xD
23:43.37d-bor just netboot etch and upgrade.
23:43.46Wyzardmikala: It's not yet 7PM where I am
23:43.57Wyzardon the 14th, that is
23:44.02Raylzthemill: which mirrors? im only seeing 4.0r7
23:44.12karmatronicjamon: hola :)
23:44.30teratomad-b: i will probably try netbooting with etch.  that is not an elegant solution though
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23:44.42d-bteratoma: using non-free software isn't either ^^
23:44.52miksuhit would be easier if eartrh would be flat :)
23:44.56miksuh14th day everywhere
23:45.05miksuhat the same time :)
23:45.08nightglider28miksuh: Some peole think it is..
23:45.14miksuhheh
23:45.17d-bmiksuh: yeah don't ruin it !
23:45.20themillRaylz: mirror updates take time
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23:45.28teratomad-b: Broadcom is too busy getting sued to provide free driver source
23:45.41d-bteratoma: good. they can go broke.
23:45.42Raylzthemill: im extremely excited :)
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23:46.09themillRaylz: about what? It's not like anything has changed other than a symlink...
23:46.10teratomad-b: millions of nerds run Dells , i guess they're going to be surprised when they install lenny
23:46.12nightglider28teratoma: I vaguely remember something about that.  Sued for what, again?
23:46.24d-bteratoma: my dell works.
23:46.27nightglider28teratoma: I have a dell. >.>
23:46.29teratomanightglider28: their CEO had a sex drug hooker dungeon
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23:46.41nightglider28teratoma: It's one that came with with Ubuntu
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23:46.55Raylzthemill: i dont have it installed atm
23:47.07nightglider28teratoma: Will my broadcom driver not be in the Lenny kernel?
23:47.09teratomatry netbooting your dell with lenny
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23:47.15d-bnightglider28: which one is it ?
23:47.22nightglider28d-b: 1420n.
23:47.29teratomanightglider28: it's in non-free . good luck net installing it
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23:47.32d-bno driver / module ?
23:47.40nightglider28Ethernet is bcm, wireless is iwl1394.
23:47.46nightglider28teratoma: Fuck.  Why?
23:47.54teratomai think we're talking about different broadcom drivers
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23:48.20teratomasome mighty debian person who wants to cause my horrible pain must have noticed the broadcom driver was not freely available
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23:48.39nightglider28d-b: What?
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23:49.10d-bteratoma: freely ?
23:49.17d-bgo file a bug.
23:49.44dob1hi, other than wondershaper, what traffic shaper/qos script can i use on a gateway?
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23:50.28nightglider28d-b: BCM5906M
23:51.07nightglider28Will it not be in any of the Debian iso's or just not on the netinst disc?
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23:51.55nsadminnightglider28 does the machine have a wired ethernet port?
23:52.16nightglider28Yes, that's the interface I'm talking about.
23:52.31abrotmanlspci -nn might be more helpful
23:52.43shivrajso Lenny is officially stable ? where's the after party ?
23:52.44nsadminoh ok, and it's not working?
23:52.46nightglider28The wireless is intel.  iwl3945, I think.  That *will* need firmware.
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23:53.02themill!iwlwifi
23:53.03dpkg[iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23.  Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi".  "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset.  See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945).  See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>.  #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net
23:53.26nightglider28themill: I know how to install it.
23:53.28nightglider2809:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express [14e4:1713] (rev 02)
23:53.35d-bnightglider28: i think that's fine.
23:53.42miksuhnightglider28: afaik lenny installer allows you to have firmware in the cd/gloppy/usb
23:53.44teratomayou can easily install the broadcom firmware , after you install.  now if you're netbooting, that might be a problem!
23:53.57PotterThe Debian Team is Proud to Announce LENNY http://lennywiki.on.nimp.org
23:53.59nightglider28teratoma: Yeah, that was the plan.  It might have to change. :/
23:54.01miksuhso if you need proprietary firmware download if before installation
23:54.07Potterall links are on there
23:54.10abrotmanthat's a tg3 card
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23:54.15miksuhI have not tried it,
23:54.27themillthanks, tomaw
23:54.41abrotmanwonders if not really having to op up cheapens that :)
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23:55.58teratomais there a way i can pass an argument to initrd to tell it where to find my broadcom driver firmware ?
23:56.09miksuhgloppy=floppy
23:56.14nightglider28miksuh: I figured. :P
23:56.16abrotmanteratoma: when ?
23:56.40nightglider28d-b: Is there a way to check if my ethernet module is on the install cd before burning?
23:56.55nsadminI hve something else that needs firmware... as long as it's in /etc/firmware it will load automatically when the drier is inserted
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23:57.19abrotmannsadmin: you mean /lib/firmware/ ?
23:57.27nightglider28Really...
23:57.30PotterThe Debian Team is Proud to Announce LENNY http://lennywiki.on.nimp.org
23:57.36nsadminyeah
23:57.36PotterThe Debian Team is Proud to Announce LENNY http://lennywiki.on.nimp.org
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23:57.43miksuhWOW !!
23:57.44nailuj24really???
23:57.45abrotmanlovely
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23:57.49shivrajteratoma: if you can get a wireless router that can take ddwrt, that thing sucks, my computer used to freeze like crazy with it
23:57.51abrotmanno .. it's spam .. do not click it
23:57.52Metarofl
23:57.53nsadminno probably not
23:58.07PhorcePsilly spammers
23:58.13shivrajban him
23:58.23nightglider28abrotman: I was slightly scarred the first time.  I think noscript saved me from the worst, though.
23:58.25nsadminhe did that
23:58.26Vincent0ne-hmmm not here as well
23:58.34nailuj24oh my fucking good
23:58.38nailuj24goodness
23:58.43stonedshivraj, yo
23:58.46MetaGod damn
23:58.50shivrajstoned: sup
23:58.51MetaWhy did I click that?
23:58.54nailuj24it opens hundreds of thousands of windows
23:58.59stonedshivraj, namaste, fit, you?
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23:59.00nightglider28nailuj24: It does?
23:59.05nightglider28lol
23:59.05abrotmanjust ignore it
23:59.12nailuj24i use konqueror
23:59.16nsadminMeta: because spomeone told you not to? :)
23:59.22nightglider28I use Fx+noscript.
23:59.23Metawanders off to the Mozilla site for NoScript
23:59.24nailuj24have about 200 windows open now
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23:59.37nailuj24i guess my pc will crash soon
23:59.37shivrajstoned: namaste, but I dont speak hindi, I am from Guyana
23:59.37Metansadmin: Probably. :D I had to open terminal and killall. D:
23:59.37teratomaabrotman: I'm netbooting with FAI
23:59.42nightglider28<3 NoScript.
23:59.45jamonworst part? that site is running debian etch..
23:59.54jelly-homenailuj24: "do not feed the trolls"
23:59.55stonedshivraj, you've told me before, and I remember. Namastey anyway.

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