| 00:00.12 | nightglider28 | jamon: Seriously? |
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| 00:00.15 | nightglider28 | Damn. |
| 00:00.19 | jamon | SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch3 |
| 00:00.25 | aranea | Meta: there is a package noscript, i think |
| 00:00.30 | Meta | Meh |
| 00:00.36 | nightglider28 | jamon: Kinda sad. :/ |
| 00:00.41 | Meta | Someone needs to make NoScript filters. |
| 00:00.44 | nailuj24 | puh |
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| 00:00.59 | nightglider28 | Meta: Or just enable sites as you come across them? |
| 00:00.59 | nailuj24 | its over, it nearly froze my session |
| 00:01.26 | Vincent0ne- | what did nailuj24 |
| 00:01.33 | Meta | Pshhh |
| 00:01.36 | nailuj24 | this link above |
| 00:01.39 | Meta | That's time consuming |
| 00:01.40 | nailuj24 | dont klick it ;) |
| 00:01.45 | Vincent0ne- | It doesnt show up in google |
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| 00:01.55 | nightglider28 | Damnit. |
| 00:02.00 | nightglider28 | What was I going to do.. |
| 00:02.20 | teratoma | looks fine in elinks ! |
| 00:02.21 | nailuj24 | shouldn't konqueror be able to block shit like that? *angry* |
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| 00:02.36 | Vincent0ne- | I use iceweasel |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | shouldn't you be smart enough to not click on spam links ? |
| 00:02.54 | Vincent0ne- | I didnt click but did search for an ircop |
| 00:03.05 | Vincent0ne- | hes lucky |
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| 00:05.02 | nightglider28 | brb-laundry |
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| 00:06.49 | td123 | are the cd's out yet? |
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| 00:09.22 | Lazyworm | will lenny supports EXT4? I mean not now, a few month later maybe? |
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| 00:09.55 | nightglider28 | Back. |
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| 00:10.08 | Wyzard | Lazyworm: no, because lenny uses kernel 2.6.26 and that doesn't have ext4 (at least not the finished version that you'd want to use) |
| 00:10.11 | nightglider28 | !lenny status |
| 00:10.12 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress Mirrors now show stable => lenny. |
| 00:10.43 | Wyzard | Lazyworm: There may be a "lenny-and-a-half" update in a year or so (like there was an "etch-and-a-half") and that would have a newer kernel which supports ext4 |
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| 00:11.29 | ewet | is there any serious planning towards kde4 in squeeze (or possibly later)? |
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| 00:12.09 | zu22 | i want to use wget to archive a wiki but i'm not sure how many levels it has so what should i do? also i want to make sure it downloads the CSS, images, etc.. everything. so should i just do "wget -r --level=BIGNUM" ? |
| 00:12.10 | _kringalf | i think kde 4.2 is planed in sid after lenny is stable |
| 00:12.30 | _kringalf | and later in squeeze |
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| 00:13.04 | Lazyworm | Wyzard: like 5.0r1 or something? thanks |
| 00:13.11 | ewet | _kringalf: i found no sources to read about that - any suggestions? |
| 00:13.35 | ewet | _kringalf: pts is pretty vague |
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| 00:13.57 | _kringalf | i think i read something in debianforum |
| 00:14.21 | Wyzard | Lazyworm: Probably later than that... etch-and-a-half was 4.0r6 |
| 00:14.25 | _kringalf | yeah, i didn't find anything specific but i din't look for too long |
| 00:14.47 | _kringalf | btw, what was the point of etch-and-a-half? |
| 00:14.53 | ewet | _kringalf: I will see. tnx |
| 00:14.58 | Wyzard | _kringalf: newer kernel with support for newer hardware |
| 00:15.06 | _kringalf | ah ok |
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| 00:15.16 | shivraj | ponders, have you ever seen a swift worm ? |
| 00:15.26 | shivraj | Lazyworm: ? |
| 00:15.29 | shivraj | hehe |
| 00:16.02 | Lazyworm | shivraj: huh? |
| 00:16.16 | forces | so... |
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| 00:16.30 | forces | if I have testing in my repos |
| 00:16.40 | forces | that's means I have squeeze? |
| 00:16.52 | jamon | forces: yes, so change to lenny if you want stable |
| 00:16.53 | _kringalf | not yet |
| 00:16.54 | Raylz | does lenny use the update manager? |
| 00:16.57 | ewet | _kringalf: just to be sure - debianforum.de right? |
| 00:16.59 | streuner | forces: after lenny is stable, yes |
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| 00:17.04 | _kringalf | yeah |
| 00:17.10 | _kringalf | ewet: yeah |
| 00:17.12 | Raylz | that stuff is kinda PITA |
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| 00:17.32 | forces | jamon, or change to stable |
| 00:17.34 | forces | :P |
| 00:17.51 | _kringalf | but i always use the "name" like lenny in the sources.list |
| 00:18.06 | forces | etch is old-stable right now? |
| 00:18.10 | Wyzard | yep |
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| 00:18.17 | jamon | forces: sure, but in 2 years when you aren't paying attention you'll automatically dist-upgrade by accident :p |
| 00:18.38 | forces | :P |
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| 00:19.08 | karmatronic | jamon: 2 years...if we re lucky... |
| 00:20.08 | ecadre | karmatronic, what, you think it might be less? |
| 00:20.10 | ecadre | :-P |
| 00:20.11 | jamon | etch was april 8, 2007: http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 |
| 00:20.26 | forces | distrowatch says lenny is still testing |
| 00:20.30 | karmatronic | ecadre: :) |
| 00:20.33 | nightglider28 | nods. |
| 00:20.35 | ecadre | jamon, hmm, actually, you're right |
| 00:20.39 | karmatronic | forces: they dont have a clue |
| 00:21.04 | jamon | i can't believe distrowatch are still online |
| 00:21.04 | abrotman | it is still testing |
| 00:21.04 | ecadre | forces, what does distrowatch know? |
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| 00:21.09 | karmatronic | jamon: and still etch packages look so old... |
| 00:21.20 | jamon | heh |
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| 00:22.06 | forces | when will be ready lenny stable ISOs ? |
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| 00:22.20 | forces | next week? |
| 00:22.31 | Wyzard | probably sometime tonight |
| 00:22.32 | Ljudkort | In a matter of hours |
| 00:22.41 | forces | ok |
| 00:22.43 | abrotman | oh nope .. i'm wrong |
| 00:22.47 | forces | is still waiting |
| 00:22.57 | Ljudkort | is waiting too |
| 00:23.12 | Wyzard | is mostly waiting for the release notes |
| 00:23.21 | themill | abrotman: "when is a release a release"... |
| 00:23.24 | abrotman | which ISO are you waiting for ? |
| 00:23.26 | Wyzard | or maybe someone here knows... what's the final story on Xen dom0 support in lenny? |
| 00:23.30 | nightglider28 | is waiting for the iso's. |
| 00:23.35 | Ljudkort | abrotman, netinst |
| 00:23.36 | abrotman | themill: yeah .. but testing points at squeeze now |
| 00:23.37 | forces | lenny stable ISOs |
| 00:23.39 | abrotman | Ljudkort: why? |
| 00:23.45 | Ljudkort | abrotman, why not? |
| 00:23.55 | abrotman | just get the RC2 and use that ? |
| 00:23.57 | themill | abrotman: quite. But the stable release notes are still for 4.0 on the website. |
| 00:24.01 | forces | etch out!! etch out!! etch out!! |
| 00:24.03 | Ljudkort | Could, but don't want to :$ |
| 00:24.14 | teratoma | not yet! netbooting with broadcom only works in etch! |
| 00:24.15 | ecadre | abrotman, Lenny is stable on the UK Debian mirror |
| 00:24.19 | teratoma | i know how much you all care |
| 00:24.24 | themill | forces: steady... |
| 00:24.25 | abrotman | ecadre: i can't help it if your mirror sucks :) |
| 00:24.52 | karmatronic | teratoma: you mean netinst? |
| 00:25.04 | themill | still thinks they should get rid of the stable symlink |
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| 00:25.29 | karmatronic | teratoma: anyway,it s a kernel issue.Cant you boot up with a different 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:25.42 | teratoma | karmatronic: with FAI . not without incredible pain . |
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| 00:27.24 | ecadre | abrotman, hmmm, actually, sorry, the stable smlink still points at etch, but the is a squeeze directory now |
| 00:27.30 | ecadre | ^symlink |
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| 00:28.16 | karmatronic | teratoma: sorry i have to ask.what you mean with FAI? |
| 00:28.51 | ecadre | oh, who cares. I'm going to wait a while before dist-upgrading anyway |
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| 00:29.16 | teratoma | karmatronic: FAI is a debian PXE boot package |
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| 00:30.10 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone explain to me the differences between cacao, openjdk and icedtea? |
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| 00:30.33 | PeskyJ | trying to run apt-get update on an old sarge machine... didn't work, searched google a bit, changed sources.list to point at archive.debian.org still doesn't work... I'm stuck what am I doing wrong |
| 00:30.59 | karmatronic | teratoma: ok |
| 00:31.28 | PeskyJ | also, after I have updated, what sources should be set in order to do a dist-upgrade ? |
| 00:32.24 | abrotman | PeskyJ: archive.debian.org has a readme |
| 00:33.07 | stew | PeskyJ: you are trying to stick with sarge? or upgrade to etch? |
| 00:34.02 | PeskyJ | abrotman: so it does... I never even thought of going there from a browser! |
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| 00:34.23 | PeskyJ | stew: want to get update to work first, then look at upgrading to etch |
| 00:34.48 | PeskyJ | stew: unless there's a safe/safer way to go straight to etch and everything still works? |
| 00:34.51 | sepult | hah i switched to unstable by hand oh |
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| 00:38.50 | PeskyJ | abrotman: the readme only says what I already tried, which is changing the deb entries in sources.list to point to archive.debian.org |
| 00:39.12 | abrotman | put your sources.list and the errors in a pastebin |
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| 00:40.03 | ecadre | abrotman, well, Lenny has definitely gone to stable on the UK mirrors now :-D |
| 00:40.28 | ecadre | gets a beer |
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| 00:41.09 | PeskyJ | I wonder if my hosting provider would give me a new server and let me run both temporarily while I transfer everything across :D |
| 00:41.22 | levander | Is dropbox still the only backup cloud service that has free accounts for Linux? |
| 00:41.49 | Ljudkort | Archive Update in progress on Sunet archive, Sweden |
| 00:42.55 | abrotman | levander: might want to ask in ##linux |
| 00:42.58 | ecadre | here's to the Debian devs (etc), raises! |
| 00:43.09 | ecadre | raises his bottle... cheers |
| 00:43.35 | JyZyXEL | did lenny release? |
| 00:43.50 | themill | !topicsmite JyZyXEL |
| 00:43.50 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon JyZyXEL. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:44.07 | abrotman | give him a few more smites |
| 00:44.27 | JyZyXEL | i don't know how to read topic in this client |
| 00:44.45 | nightglider28 | ... |
| 00:44.46 | JyZyXEL | guess i can always do this |
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| 00:44.54 | themill | *sigh* |
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| 00:45.15 | themill | ever wondered why people talk about /topic? |
| 00:45.35 | avu | they just like drawing slashes?! |
| 00:45.45 | bbelt16ag | gah |
| 00:45.54 | bbelt16ag | how do I get nano to open up the last page of a text file |
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| 00:46.03 | abrotman | page? |
| 00:46.08 | bbelt16ag | I don't want to go through thousands of pages to remove the last 100 lines or so.. |
| 00:46.09 | themill | dpkg stable sources.list is <reply>Despite the fact previous installers and countless websites will tell you to do this, do *not* use "stable" in your sources.list; use the release code name instead (e.g. "etch" or "lenny"). Upgrading between releases is no longer trivial; make sure you read the <release notes> and ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 00:46.10 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 00:46.40 | ecadre | bbelt16ag, nano has no pages. |
| 00:46.44 | JyZyXEL | apt-get source iptables fails |
| 00:46.45 | JyZyXEL | E: Unable to find a source package for iptabless |
| 00:46.58 | JyZyXEL | oh nice double s |
| 00:47.01 | bbelt16ag | ok then.. the bottom |
| 00:47.15 | JyZyXEL | yea i know we just hit it |
| 00:47.26 | bbelt16ag | I got 463k lines |
| 00:47.44 | abrotman | i can tell you in vi/vim .. |
| 00:47.48 | bbelt16ag | ok then vim |
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| 00:48.23 | bbelt16ag | I can use vim too |
| 00:48.29 | abrotman | :$ |
| 00:48.33 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 00:48.42 | bbelt16ag | thanks |
| 00:48.43 | linux_stu | how can i type an accented character? |
| 00:48.45 | abrotman | that was a vi command .. not some silly irc 'emoticon' |
| 00:48.52 | linux_stu | (i use gnome, i don't know if that matters) |
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| 00:49.03 | abrotman | linux_stu: gnome does have a character map |
| 00:49.11 | PeskyJ | bbelt16ag: use the command line |
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| 00:49.48 | themill | dpkg: tell linux_stu about compose |
| 00:50.27 | bbelt16ag | I got it workin now thanks peeps |
| 00:50.44 | Goat25 | where is the debian 5.0 release? i all planned to do today was install debian 5.0 and have valentine's day sex |
| 00:50.45 | bbelt16ag | that help linux_stu |
| 00:50.58 | linux_stu | yes, thanks |
| 00:51.14 | PeskyJ | bbelt16ag: cat -n file | tail -n 100 (then look at line numbers) then head -n number-of-lines-you-want-to-keep > newfile |
| 00:51.32 | bbelt16ag | cool |
| 00:52.02 | abrotman | !uuoc PeskyJ |
| 00:52.03 | dpkg | hands PeskyJ the "unnecessary use of cat" award |
| 00:52.10 | deegozzz | etch->leny |
| 00:52.14 | deegozzz | etch->lenny |
| 00:52.23 | deegozzz | oh, sorry, wrong channel |
| 00:52.25 | PeskyJ | beams... wow, an award, nice |
| 00:52.26 | abrotman | !tell deegozzz about etch->lenny |
| 00:52.30 | r1d3r | !lenny status |
| 00:52.31 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress Mirrors now show stable => lenny. |
| 00:53.08 | nightglider28 | !etch->lenn |
| 00:53.10 | nightglider28 | !etch->lenny |
| 00:53.13 | nightglider28 | Bleh. |
| 00:53.19 | r1d3r | !wwlr |
| 00:53.20 | dpkg | it has been said that wwlr is Lenny (5.0) will hopefully release on February 14, 2009. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00002.html http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable. Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>. |
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| 00:53.24 | abrotman | msg the freaking bot |
| 00:53.30 | nightglider28 | wwlr is? |
| 00:53.49 | ameyer | nightglider28: when will lenny release? |
| 00:53.51 | deegozzz | Is aptitude now preferred over apt-get? Could there be problems if I use apt-get? |
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| 00:54.06 | abrotman | deegozzz: yes, aptitude is preferred .. has been for awhile |
| 00:54.11 | nightglider28 | ameyer: lol I'm just a user. I have nothing to do with the release. |
| 00:54.33 | ameyer | nightglider28: no, I think that's what "wwlr" stands for |
| 00:54.34 | nightglider28 | ameyer: But some mirrors already have stable aimed at Lenny. Mostly what we're waiting for is the iso's. |
| 00:54.40 | nightglider28 | Ack. |
| 00:54.42 | path_ | deegozzz, why would be any problem? |
| 00:54.50 | nightglider28 | ameyer: Thanks.. |
| 00:54.52 | nightglider28 | thwaps self. |
| 00:54.53 | PeskyJ | rather than risk breaking anything I reckon I'll leave the sarge server alone and wait for a hosting company to have a lenny server then get one of those and transfer all the stuff over |
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| 00:55.30 | ameyer | you know, you really shouldn't still be running sarge |
| 00:55.48 | bbelt16ag | I am running etch on my server.. |
| 00:55.59 | Ace2017_- | any eta for nvidia 180.29 drivers into experimental? |
| 00:56.06 | ecadre | bbelt16ag, sorry, got distracted, the answer that you seek is Ctrl_ Ctrl v |
| 00:56.27 | nightglider28 | Ace2017_-: Those drivers get put in the repos? |
| 00:56.45 | Ace2017_- | nightglider28: yes |
| 00:56.49 | PeskyJ | ameyer: yeah I know... I want to update it but I cant |
| 00:56.53 | vinc456 | so in laymen's terms what will happen if i don't bother upgrading to lenny? i'll never receive security updates and be stuck with old software? |
| 00:56.54 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 00:56.55 | nightglider28 | Damn. I've been getting them from the nvidia website. |
| 00:56.56 | Ace2017_- | 180.22 is there now |
| 00:57.13 | ecadre | bbelt16ag: ie. control plus underscore then control plus v |
| 00:57.19 | nightglider28 | I've got 180.22 installed, manually. |
| 00:57.30 | bbelt16ag | ok I got it |
| 00:57.35 | bbelt16ag | thanks the vim worked well too |
| 00:57.50 | bbelt16ag | but will try to stick in the long term memory banks, doubt it will stay though heh |
| 00:57.59 | ameyer | vinc456: etch should get security updates for another 12 months or so |
| 00:58.12 | ameyer | unless squeeze comes out before then |
| 00:58.23 | Ace2017_- | nightglider28: if you get it from nvidia's site be sure to reinstall it if any xorg components are upgraded, i found that updating some mesa files overwrote symlinks needed for the driver installed by nvidia's installer to work correctly |
| 00:58.29 | ecadre | bbelt16ag, write it with a permanent marker onto your monitor screen :-D |
| 00:58.36 | bbelt16ag | lol |
| 00:58.38 | PeskyJ | bbelt16ag: just use head/tail... and cat if you can't remember the correct options/syntax :D |
| 00:58.48 | bbelt16ag | heh |
| 00:58.56 | nightglider28 | Ace2017_-: I plan on doing a fresh install when the stable Lenny iso's come out, anyway. I'll just apt-get the nvidia drivers, then. |
| 00:59.00 | bbelt16ag | wait a minute gonna put it on commalnd fu |
| 00:59.04 | nightglider28 | Ace2017_-: Thanks, though. |
| 00:59.13 | Bravewolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:59.25 | abrotman | no spacre |
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| 01:02.38 | bbelt16ag | I used commandline -fu to store the one line thanks again peeps |
| 01:02.45 | Wyzard | Has console-tools been superseded by kbd? |
| 01:03.16 | PeskyJ | how long do the hosting companies normally take to set up solutions using the new release? |
| 01:03.30 | nightglider28 | I'd hope they would take awhile. |
| 01:03.53 | nightglider28 | If I had a commercial hosting service, I would never move to a new release as soon as it came out. |
| 01:04.54 | ecadre | nightglider28, spot on. My dedicated servers are not upgrading for quite a while till I've checked everything |
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| 01:05.14 | ecadre | my desktop is another matter |
| 01:05.18 | nightglider28 | lol |
| 01:05.20 | nightglider28 | Indeed. |
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| 01:10.24 | philluminati | So when is Debian 5 coming out please? |
| 01:10.31 | nightglider28 | ... |
| 01:10.37 | nightglider28 | I give up. |
| 01:10.38 | philluminati | I heard it was valentine's day and not it isn't |
| 01:10.41 | lenios | so when do you plan to read topic? |
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| 01:11.00 | userek | Hello, what is xorg version in lenny? |
| 01:11.08 | userek | is it 1.5 or older? |
| 01:11.15 | ecadre | la la la |
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| 01:11.33 | r1d3r | usersk: its 1.4.2 |
| 01:11.38 | userek | great |
| 01:11.53 | userek | thanks |
| 01:11.54 | avtobiff | all information availabe on http://packages.debian.org :) |
| 01:12.19 | ecadre | soooo... what's this Lenny I keep reading about? |
| 01:12.27 | nightglider28 | thwaps ecadre. |
| 01:12.28 | nightglider28 | :P |
| 01:12.30 | ecadre | :-P |
| 01:12.39 | ecadre | ducks |
| 01:12.57 | td123 | ecadre: I hope you're joking |
| 01:13.06 | nightglider28 | td123: He is... |
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| 01:13.15 | nightglider28 | *(S)he |
| 01:13.20 | userek | heshe |
| 01:13.29 | td123 | lol |
| 01:13.35 | nightglider28 | sheesh. :P |
| 01:13.36 | philluminati | Can I just appologise for asking about the release date. I can imagine I'm not the first person to ask. |
| 01:13.36 | ecadre | I think I will take a contract out on the next journalist who makes a "witty" joke about Lemmy |
| 01:13.47 | nightglider28 | Lemmy? |
| 01:13.50 | lenios | sure Philadelphia |
| 01:13.57 | lenios | err, philluminati |
| 01:14.05 | nightglider28 | lol |
| 01:14.06 | lenios | too much people in here |
| 01:14.10 | ecadre | nightglider28, yeah, exactly |
| 01:14.20 | nightglider28 | ecadre: What is that? |
| 01:14.20 | nsadmin | philharmonic? |
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| 01:14.39 | nightglider28 | lenios: No just too many who have a nick beginning with p. :P |
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| 01:14.50 | r1d3r | lenios: user limit is 910, so ... |
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| 01:14.54 | ecadre | nightglider28, some bloke who plays a a guitar or screeches down a microphone |
| 01:15.07 | nightglider28 | ... |
| 01:15.08 | nightglider28 | Right. |
| 01:15.10 | avtobiff | # |
| 01:15.13 | avtobiff | BluRay installation images for i386 and amd64. |
| 01:15.14 | avtobiff | hah |
| 01:15.20 | nightglider28 | Fuck that. |
| 01:15.43 | ecadre | mutters... drm |
| 01:15.52 | nightglider28 | lol |
| 01:16.05 | nightglider28 | What was I going to do.. |
| 01:16.09 | nightglider28 | So... |
| 01:16.25 | nightglider28 | Is it just the netinst discs that won't have the bcm modules or every disc? |
| 01:16.34 | philluminati | Can't blame them for being excited. Debian day comes but once a blue moon. Plus it's valentine's day so we've got nothing better to do. You could have probably saved some hassle by putting something on the home page. |
| 01:17.14 | ecadre | philluminati, even my mother got excited |
| 01:17.27 | philluminati | My mum uses Fedora |
| 01:17.31 | nightglider28 | I'm just glad it didn't come out while I was at work. :) |
| 01:17.34 | nightglider28 | My mother uses Etch,. |
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| 01:17.41 | nightglider28 | Only because I installed it. |
| 01:17.43 | ecadre | my mum's on Lenny |
| 01:17.48 | nightglider28 | I'm pretty much the admin. |
| 01:17.58 | nightglider28 | My mother and my server are on Etch. My laptop is on Lenny. |
| 01:18.01 | ecadre | yeah, I did install it :-D |
| 01:18.04 | td123 | ubuntu on the family computer, they don't know the difference between that and xp :D |
| 01:18.08 | nightglider28 | lo |
| 01:18.32 | philluminati | I brought an eeepc for myself for christmas and when he laptop broke she 'guilted' me into giving her mine. |
| 01:18.48 | ecadre | td123, aaaw, you must tell them that they walk in freedom! |
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| 01:19.07 | ecadre | well, type anyway |
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| 01:19.33 | td123 | ecadre: not really, as long as it works, I'm not touching that computer, not even updating it |
| 01:19.33 | ecadre | philluminati, :'-( |
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| 01:20.22 | Samuel-NotAFK1 | Some third party repositories are still not considering Lenny to be stable. |
| 01:20.23 | philluminati | I don't like to be that guy that trys to force linux on people so I was you can have this or buy your own. She hasn't reported a single problem yet (It has been a week) |
| 01:20.23 | td123 | ecadre: I don't say anything to them, one day they had xp, the next day they got ubuntu and the only response they had was, why did you change the menu's icon... lol |
| 01:20.24 | r1d3r | just one question, why does lenny support ati-driver version 8? on etch it was 8.28! |
| 01:20.35 | ecadre | heh |
| 01:20.53 | philluminati | lol |
| 01:21.16 | stew | Samuel-NotAFK1: first party repsotories aren't either |
| 01:21.30 | Samuel-NotAFK1 | stew: They are for mee. |
| 01:21.33 | Samuel-NotAFK1 | s/mee/me/ |
| 01:21.44 | ecadre | philluminati, that was a tragic story, how you can still laugh I don't know :-( |
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| 01:22.00 | bbelt16ag | ok quick question for got what tool lets me see when my harddrives are setup to be checked at next boot... |
| 01:22.01 | stew | Samuel-NotAFK1: it will take 2 days to sync all of the official mirrors |
| 01:22.10 | bbelt16ag | is it e2fsck? |
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| 01:22.38 | H3XiL3D | hi guys |
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| 01:22.46 | _kringalf | bbelt16ag, tune2fs |
| 01:22.51 | _kringalf | for ext |
| 01:23.03 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 01:23.15 | H3XiL3D | im looking for an ncurses tool to configure the network and i dont know it's name does anyone know the name of it ? |
| 01:23.30 | epsilon2 | cmon lenny, we have a release saturday night party going on in c-base |
| 01:23.34 | stew | H3XiL3D: etherconf? |
| 01:23.46 | stew | that's the one that debian USED to have |
| 01:24.30 | H3XiL3D | humm.. cant find it with that name |
| 01:24.37 | stew | H3XiL3D: yes, it was removed |
| 01:24.52 | H3XiL3D | any replacement ? |
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| 01:24.55 | stew | H3XiL3D: no |
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| 01:25.15 | stew | H3XiL3D: besides, "/usr/bin/sensible-editor /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 01:25.43 | H3XiL3D | ok . i am also looking for a paste-bin cmd line tool . something like nopaste or wgetpaste. anything available ? |
| 01:25.53 | philluminati | ecadre. It is a little disappointing. Last week I still had it and when I found out about Debian's release this week I instantly new I was going to put in on my laptop. (Fedora doesn't package DWM or Kopete properly). If she is using it in 3 months I'll tell her to get her own so I can have mine back. |
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| 01:26.32 | stew | H3XiL3D: /msg dpkg pastebin pipe |
| 01:26.48 | JyZyXEL | stew isitoutyet?? |
| 01:26.56 | stew | JyZyXEL: /topic |
| 01:26.56 | philluminati | Last thing I want to do is to tell my mum to buy a netbook, find out she hates the keyboard and then blame me telling her to buy it. |
| 01:26.59 | H3XiL3D | thanks |
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| 01:27.15 | nightglider28 | philluminati: At least now she'll know. :P |
| 01:27.15 | philluminati | knew* |
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| 01:27.33 | ecadre | philluminati, you'll probably get the blame whatever happens.. I do |
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| 01:27.43 | JyZyXEL | "apt-get dist-upgrade" isn't it? :) |
| 01:28.03 | ecadre | philluminati, then again, she loves Debian |
| 01:28.17 | philluminati | :-) |
| 01:28.44 | ecadre | I've even got her doing bug reports and stuff these days |
| 01:28.54 | sepult | when the hell did i fill in 96 Gigs! |
| 01:28.59 | sepult | woah |
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| 01:29.47 | td123 | sepult: probably your browser's cache... full of, educational movies I suspect |
| 01:29.50 | ecadre | sepult, the little people come in at night and do it |
| 01:30.00 | philluminati | I actually feel better knowing she's on Linux now. I just trust it more myself hense I have more trust that when she used to it she can rely on it. |
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| 01:30.38 | sepult | no i think it's a failure somewhere |
| 01:30.38 | td123 | philluminati: exactly, if anything goes bad, it's most likely the config, not a trojan :P |
| 01:30.42 | philluminati | What would your mum need to file bug reports for? I assumed she'd be treading well worn ground |
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| 01:31.46 | ecadre | philluminati, mine switched about four years ago. I can ssh and vnc onto her desktop and fix/show her stuff whilst I'm still working. |
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| 01:33.10 | ecadre | philluminati, it was something in Epiphany. She did it all by herself the first time and got helped so well by the guy on the Gnome bug tracker that I emailed him and thanked him |
| 01:33.11 | asdfqwer | http://98.220.171.58 yay |
| 01:33.15 | asdfqwer | i did it |
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| 01:33.23 | JyZyXEL | atm "apt-get dist-upgrade" offers me: "692 upgraded, 216 newly installed, 17 to remove and 3 not upgraded." |
| 01:33.25 | asdfqwer | someone hack me |
| 01:33.34 | philluminati | :-) I like stories like that |
| 01:33.34 | stew | JyZyXEL: that's a sign that you are doing something wrong |
| 01:33.36 | nightglider28 | asdfqwer: Really? |
| 01:33.42 | asdfqwer | or at least tell me what's public |
| 01:33.43 | JyZyXEL | stew what? :( |
| 01:33.55 | stew | JyZyXEL: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:33.57 | JyZyXEL | stew i have "stable" as my sources |
| 01:33.57 | asdfqwer | i'm behind a private network tho |
| 01:34.00 | td123 | asdfqwer: I'm too busy, I'll just post that ip on some hacker forums :P |
| 01:34.06 | asdfqwer | LOL NOOOO |
| 01:34.12 | JyZyXEL | stew i don't know, go to 5.0? :) |
| 01:34.15 | asdfqwer | i'll close all my ports off |
| 01:34.18 | ecadre | philluminati, he emailed back to me to say it was nice to be thanked but that it didn't happen very often :-( |
| 01:34.31 | stew | JyZyXEL: then yes, "/msg dpkg lenny release notes" for the recommended upgrade procedure, it doesn't involve apt-get |
| 01:34.31 | td123 | asdfqwer: just kidding :P |
| 01:34.35 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: then when lenny gets released it;ll be even more |
| 01:34.38 | asdfqwer | k |
| 01:34.51 | td123 | or am i :-| |
| 01:35.00 | asdfqwer | but i'm curious as to how easy it would be tho |
| 01:35.13 | stew | JyZyXEL: and you should not use 'stable' in sources.list for this reason |
| 01:35.16 | asdfqwer | with a server on a private network w/ other windows machines |
| 01:35.17 | nsadmin | I'd suggest you put lenny instead of stable (if lenny is what you want right now) |
| 01:35.17 | td123 | asdfqwer: depends what you have open |
| 01:35.19 | d-b | asdfqwer: ... a backdoor could let them back in ports seemingly open or not |
| 01:35.29 | philluminati | Some OSS guys really are the kindest people you meet. I was on #amarok a few years back asking about a 64 bit issue and the guy in the chatroom talk me through some pretty detailed debugging stuff and was extremely patient with the fact I was a noob. Turned out to be a 64 bit issue and the next time I installed the distro it was gone. |
| 01:35.35 | d-b | udp hole punching, reverse ssh, using nc ... |
| 01:35.37 | asdfqwer | 22, 80, and a few application ports |
| 01:36.00 | JyZyXEL | :( |
| 01:36.03 | td123 | asdfqwer: I know |
| 01:36.11 | asdfqwer | when i nmap myself it won't even show me what ports are available |
| 01:36.16 | asdfqwer | but i ain't no wiley hacker |
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| 01:36.45 | d-b | asdfqwer: don't be so silly as to think a hacker will not be able to get back in if you "close" the ports |
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| 01:37.15 | ecadre | philluminati, yes :-) |
| 01:37.18 | td123 | asdfqwer: the onlly sure way is to pull the eth cord :P |
| 01:37.23 | asdfqwer | well, now that i've made my home computer public i need to look into it |
| 01:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, what am I doing wrong here: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_non-fr_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 01:37.53 | td123 | asdfqwer: what do you mean now that you made your computer public? |
| 01:37.53 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: apt-get update && aptitude update |
| 01:38.02 | asdfqwer | http://98.220.171.58 is my server |
| 01:38.07 | asdfqwer | my ip address |
| 01:38.15 | asdfqwer | ./who asdfqwer |
| 01:38.17 | JyZyXEL | aptitude install dpkg aptitude apt && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 01:38.22 | JyZyXEL | thats the recomended upgrade? |
| 01:38.31 | ecadre | asdf, now your bank account details |
| 01:38.32 | JyZyXEL | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html |
| 01:38.40 | stew | JyZyXEL: no it isn't |
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| 01:38.53 | JyZyXEL | well there was like a pilo of links |
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| 01:38.59 | td123 | asdfqwer: is that a cgi prog or... what did you code the front page with? |
| 01:39.01 | asdfqwer | ecadre, lol too bad i have no money |
| 01:39.03 | JyZyXEL | i don't know which one is the upgrade one |
| 01:39.04 | jhutchins_lt | Oh goody: Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/etch-backports/Release Unable to find expected entry non-fr/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 01:39.07 | asdfqwer | just php |
| 01:39.22 | moigh__ | hi |
| 01:39.30 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: non-free ? |
| 01:39.33 | moigh__ | somebody know how can fixe this? http://pastebin.com/d85b9bf0 |
| 01:39.33 | JyZyXEL | !lenny release notes |
| 01:39.33 | dpkg | Latest draft release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html, or http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual |
| 01:39.40 | JyZyXEL | its.. one of those |
| 01:39.51 | abrotman | read them all |
| 01:40.05 | stew | JyZyXEL: the first one, chapter 4 |
| 01:40.34 | JyZyXEL | well hidden |
| 01:40.35 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I'm guessing truncated cut-and-paste, free works. |
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| 01:40.42 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: enjoy |
| 01:41.00 | asdfqwer | what's a good cross-platform RDP app for debian? |
| 01:41.05 | td123 | asdfqwer: ook, I thought it was cgi :D |
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| 01:41.21 | ecadre | lovely, something to read in the next couple of days |
| 01:41.35 | asdfqwer | td123, nah, i just got this up and running yesterday |
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| 01:42.03 | td123 | asdfqwer: did you have to call your isp to open port 80? |
| 01:42.08 | asdfqwer | nope |
| 01:42.15 | td123 | it was already open? |
| 01:42.35 | asdfqwer | opended it through my router forwading to my address |
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| 01:43.10 | td123 | asdfqwer: are you sure that's it, it says you're on comcast and I know comcast blocks that port |
| 01:43.11 | asdfqwer | i had to fuss around w/ route a little bit |
| 01:43.21 | asdfqwer | ya i'm on comcast |
| 01:43.21 | Godfath3r | i have a problem with compiling an external module, basically i don't have /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ directory |
| 01:43.23 | Godfath3r | any help? |
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| 01:43.32 | td123 | asdfqwer: wierd |
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| 01:43.59 | moigh__ | hi somebody can help me? http://pastebin.com/d85b9bf0 |
| 01:44.10 | asdfqwer | which is what is nice aobut debian |
| 01:44.14 | asdfqwer | or linux in general |
| 01:44.22 | nightglider28 | asdfqwer: ? |
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| 01:44.30 | abrotman | Godfath3r: you shold .. is it a debian kernel? |
| 01:44.33 | ecadre | moigh__, I looked, but sorry :-/ |
| 01:44.37 | Wyzard | Godfath3r: That directory isn't needed for compiling out-of-tree modules afaik, but if it doesn't exist it means either you're missing all your modules, or you're using a custom-compiled kernel that uses no modules at all |
| 01:44.49 | asdfqwer | i had to add a static route for each gateway |
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| 01:45.00 | asdfqwer | until getting to my wan ip |
| 01:46.03 | Godfath3r | o compiled it myself Wyzard and abrotman |
| 01:46.14 | asdfqwer | then any request coming in, given an open port, my private ip will act as my wan ip |
| 01:46.47 | Wyzard | Godfath3r: What you need to compile out-of-tree modules is the configured source tree that you compiled the kernel from |
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| 01:47.18 | moigh__ | thanks ecadre :( |
| 01:47.32 | asdfqwer | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 01:47.32 | asdfqwer | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.128 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 01:47.32 | asdfqwer | default gw 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 01:47.46 | Godfath3r | Wyzard, ok i have it...what should i do |
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| 01:48.49 | enouf | Godfath3r: you sure the issue/error isn't lack of a /lib/module/$(uname -r)/build symlink |
| 01:48.56 | asdfqwer | can you keep adding static routes into isp gateways? |
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| 01:49.09 | enouf | which points to your kernel headers |
| 01:49.44 | enouf | oh |
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| 01:50.07 | Godfath3r | enouf, maybe that's the prob, the module compilation says that i don't have /lib/module/blahblah/build file... |
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| 01:50.20 | Godfath3r | how can i make it work? |
| 01:50.45 | Wyzard | Godfath3r: That's just a symlink to the corresponding kernel source tree |
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| 01:50.54 | Wyzard | Godfath3r: You can create it if it doesn't exist |
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| 01:51.08 | Godfath3r | i had...but no results :S |
| 01:51.08 | enouf | well, if you compiled yourself, you should have it point to your build headers - make-kpkg helps ;-) |
| 01:51.24 | enouf | Godfath3r: modprobe -l | wc -l ? |
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| 01:51.46 | enouf | 2119 |
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| 01:53.02 | Godfath3r | enouf, FATAL: Could not load /lib/module/2.6.28.4/modules.dep: no such file or directory |
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| 01:53.07 | Godfath3r | (with modprobe -l) |
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| 01:53.51 | enouf | aye - i've seen that - no linux-kbuild-* ? you might want to rethink your build processes ;-) |
| 01:53.58 | Wyzard | Godfath3r: run "depmod -ae" |
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| 01:54.36 | ecadre | asdfqwer, I just had a look at the Comcast webpage... epic fail... "Comcast.net Browser upgrade It's Time to Upgrade Your Browser |
| 01:54.36 | ecadre | The web browser you're using to view web sites appears to be out-of-date. In order to enjoy everything Comcast.net has to offer, you need to use a modern, standards-compliant internet browser." |
| 01:54.55 | Godfath3r | enouf, what do you mean? |
| 01:54.59 | asdfqwer | lol |
| 01:55.01 | Wyzard | ecadre: It's good that they try, but they don't recognize epiphany |
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| 01:55.25 | asdfqwer | i think comcast just caps your upload bandwidth |
| 01:55.28 | enouf | ecadre: send that POS javascript a useless user agent string ;-) or .. disable it entirely :-) |
| 01:55.48 | Godfath3r | Wyzard, again the same error says that i don't have /lib/modules/blahblah |
| 01:55.49 | ecadre | Wyzard, why is what they try to do good? |
| 01:56.00 | Wyzard | ecadre: Unless they've changed it recently (I switched to FiOS about a year ago) there's a link you can click to ignore the warning and continue anyway |
| 01:56.08 | Godfath3r | enouf, any suggestions? |
| 01:56.09 | Wyzard | ecadre: getting people to use modern browsers |
| 01:56.18 | enouf | Godfath3r: how did you build and install your kernel? where did you get the source? |
| 01:56.38 | Godfath3r | enouf, wget from kernel.org |
| 01:56.44 | Godfath3r | make menuconfig |
| 01:56.52 | Godfath3r | (long configuring :P) |
| 01:56.57 | Godfath3r | make |
| 01:57.00 | enouf | ok, that answers c) and part of a) |
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| 01:57.06 | Godfath3r | cp arch/x86 etc... :P |
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| 01:57.51 | ecadre | Wyzard, oh I could go on all night about this, suffice it to say that i disagree :-) |
| 01:58.16 | td1231 | does anyone have a link to that blog that says what phase debian's release is on? |
| 01:58.38 | Godfath3r | enouf, what's wrong with that kind of compiling? :P |
| 01:58.56 | Godfath3r | enouf, i thought that's the right way |
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| 02:00.02 | Wyzard | ecadre: You think it's bad for Comcast to encourage people to upgrade to a modern browser? |
| 02:00.02 | r1d3r | td1231: http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2009/02/14/lenny-release.html |
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| 02:00.13 | r1d3r | td1231: you mean this one? |
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| 02:00.47 | enouf | Godfath3r: it could work |
| 02:00.56 | td1231 | r1d3r: ya, I just found it also :D |
| 02:01.16 | Godfath3r | enouf, so...? |
| 02:01.19 | r1d3r | td1231: :-) |
| 02:01.49 | ecadre | Wyzard, well, whatever they're intention they've failed anyway, these sort of things usually do. What's it to do with them what browser I run on my computer? |
| 02:02.05 | enouf | Godfath3r: sounds like you left out config_modules or something really silly ;-) |
| 02:02.18 | ecadre | It's better to let the site degrade/upgrade nicely and let people decide what they want to use |
| 02:02.33 | Godfath3r | enouf, ok, let me check :P |
| 02:02.53 | Wyzard | ecadre: It's extra work for web developers to support the limitations of old browsers |
| 02:03.04 | enouf | Wyzard: what limitations? |
| 02:03.21 | Wyzard | enouf: rendering bugs, unsupported CSS features, that sort of thing |
| 02:03.37 | Wyzard | e.g. you can't use transparent PNGs if you want to support IE6 and earlier |
| 02:03.40 | enouf | Wyzard: oh, you mean their CRAP-ASSED ajax code and javashit? :-P |
| 02:03.58 | enouf | you;re way too funny |
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| 02:04.24 | Wyzard | enouf: Don't put words in my mouth -- I said nothing about ajax |
| 02:04.29 | ecadre | Wyzard, it's so retarded that when I turn off Javascript in Iceweasel it just lets it through, if it's on it claims it's an outdated browser that I must update. |
| 02:04.51 | enouf | that's like saying it's ok for Congress to pass a law that everyone drive Hummers .. lmao |
| 02:05.28 | Wyzard | ecadre: They wrote a site that only works in modern browsers because they felt it wasn't worth the time and effort to support old ones; that's fine |
| 02:05.34 | enouf | Wyzard: yeah - well ... 'rendering bugs' encompasses much more than just ajax and javashit |
| 02:05.44 | Wyzard | ecadre: Their mistake was in how thye decide whether you're using a modern browser or an old one |
| 02:05.44 | Raylz | are there lenny release torrent files out there? |
| 02:05.44 | nsadmin | would be a bummer |
| 02:05.50 | nsadmin | to be forced into a hummer |
| 02:05.52 | Raylz | nothing on torrentz.com yet |
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| 02:06.32 | enouf | ecadre: the workaround for you, if you so choose would be your about:config user.agent.whatever |
| 02:06.42 | Wyzard | Raylz: debian.org would be the place to get official Debian torrents, not torrentz.com |
| 02:06.50 | Wyzard | Raylz: but no, the CD/DVD images aren't finished yet |
| 02:07.01 | maelcum|konv | let me be the nth guy to ask: why isn't lenny released yet? :P |
| 02:07.21 | nightglider28 | Because people keep asking when it'll be released. |
| 02:07.29 | Raylz | Wyzard: ah ok, i thought the mirrors were only syncing |
| 02:07.39 | stew | maelcum|konv: becuase it takes so long to build all the isos |
| 02:07.42 | nsadmin | so he's ok because he asked why not when? |
| 02:07.43 | maelcum|konv | now that is an old joke |
| 02:08.02 | maelcum|konv | okay, i see. *basically* everything is going as planned. |
| 02:08.16 | ecadre | Wyzard, nope, it seems to work perfectly in Lynx for instance (yep, it's not an "old browser", but I bet they never built for it). They use HTML and CSS and it seems to "degrade" fine |
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| 02:08.52 | enouf | ecadre: and i use links2 and sometimes dillo, and sometimes midori and konqout even |
| 02:08.57 | enouf | ugh |
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| 02:09.10 | enouf | thanks stew |
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| 02:10.27 | ecadre | enouf, personally, I don't change the user string. If clever Dicks want to use it to try to exclude me from their websites then I avoid them. |
| 02:10.48 | enouf | ecadre: i do too |
| 02:11.23 | enouf | ecadre: i only alter my user string when i'm hacking MS sites :-P |
| 02:11.32 | ecadre | heh |
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| 02:12.25 | enouf | which reminds me .. hrm .. curious why Dillo doesn't have an 'icon' for itself :-P |
| 02:13.05 | d-b | so when do the torrentz leak |
| 02:13.15 | ewet | is there a tool to determine the filename encoding? convmv is only able to convert if i already know how files are encoded |
| 02:13.18 | ecadre | enouf, I like W3M in emacs |
| 02:13.31 | nightglider28 | Did anyone ever answer my question about the broadcom modules? |
| 02:13.49 | enouf | Godfath3r: what i did when 1st starting my own builds is i started with a decent .config i stole from a prior debian kernel - then cp it into /src/ run make oldconfig ; make menuconfig to tweak |
| 02:13.52 | ecadre | nightglider28, dunno, sorry |
| 02:14.00 | stew | d-b: probably somewhere around 0600-0700 utc |
| 02:14.49 | enouf | Godfath3r: atleast then you know you have most modules needed/used/wanted compiled in - to insert/unload at will |
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| 02:14.55 | Godfath3r | enouf, the thing is that with fedora i had no problem with /lib/modules |
| 02:15.00 | Godfath3r | with the same method |
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| 02:15.29 | Godfath3r | (sorry for the bad word -fedora- :P) |
| 02:15.30 | enouf | night: missed it |
| 02:15.35 | enouf | nightglider28: missed it |
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| 02:15.58 | nightglider28 | enouf: I asked if the broadcom modules were absent only from the netinst isos or all isos. |
| 02:16.03 | Godfath3r | enouf, i usually don't compile modules...build-in is my way around... |
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| 02:16.59 | Godfath3r | enouf, i re-compiled the kernel with all the *mod* things on... and nothing changed |
| 02:17.00 | enouf | nightglider28: hrm .. maybe check contents of linux-module-extra and maybe check out what, if anything is in the linux-patch-VERSION pkgs concerning broadcom, bcm , etc |
| 02:17.00 | Godfath3r | :S |
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| 02:17.42 | enouf | nightglider28: oh, well ,.. likely netinstall .. just b/c it's minimal and only includes the /pool/main ,, no /contrib nor /non-free |
| 02:18.12 | nightglider28 | Ok. |
| 02:18.16 | kingsley | While booting, how does ALSA decide which sound card to use? |
| 02:18.23 | nightglider28 | ty |
| 02:18.34 | enouf | Godfath3r: i'm not sure offhand - but it's something pretty simple, however esoteric |
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| 02:18.51 | enouf | kingsley: default ;-) |
| 02:19.46 | enouf | kingsley: check what /etc/modprobe.d/sound says about it - do you have a ~/.asoundrc file ? (if so, you can set it there for user) .. if you run alsaconf, it asks |
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| 02:20.38 | enouf | kingsley: if you cat /proc/asound/cards and notice the 0 card :-) |
| 02:20.56 | enouf | kingsley: alsamixer, then '/', nice summation |
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| 02:23.13 | digitaloktay | gn8 people |
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| 02:25.18 | kingsley | enouf: /proc/asound/cards and alsamixer '/' only list the card I do not wish to use. I have no ~/.asoundrc, and /etc/modprobe.d/sound lists the card I do want to use. |
| 02:25.25 | enouf | nightglider28: i should say; netinstall is minimal, when one has no network ;-) otherwise all of debianland is available ;-) |
| 02:25.59 | enouf | kingsley: yikes - run alsaconf again, and choose the card you want to use |
| 02:26.00 | nightglider28 | Bleh. |
| 02:26.07 | nightglider28 | I have the bandwidth. Might as well use it. |
| 02:27.27 | Godfath3r | enouf, ok...my bad...i didn't run make modules_install, i run make modules install :S |
| 02:27.34 | Godfath3r | thanx for any help!! |
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| 02:27.37 | enouf | Godfath3r: nice one :-P |
| 02:27.58 | kingsley | enouf: As you suggest, I've run alsaconf before, and it does indeed cause the right sound card to be used, until ... the next time I boot. Then I have no sound until I run alsaconf again. Do you happen to know how ALSA decides which sound card to use at boot time? |
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| 02:28.36 | abrotman | kingsley: did you check the alsa-project.org wiki ? |
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| 02:28.57 | ameyer | wonders if a line in cron using the @boot parameter could be used as a workaround for kingsley's problem |
| 02:28.57 | BirdInTux | i just now got debian new to it i guess |
| 02:29.03 | ameyer | or is it @reboot |
| 02:29.12 | beardy | It is. |
| 02:29.16 | ameyer | is a bit rusty with his cron-fu |
| 02:30.04 | mbrush001 | Can anybody help me display the results from line #6 into the dialog menu on line #19/20 ? |
| 02:30.05 | mbrush001 | http://www.pastebin.ca/1337629 |
| 02:30.06 | enouf | kingsley: oh .. i see now .. try alsactl -store ... or, you have other issues with modules and perhaps their loading and params .. i'm going to guess try "dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" kingsley - and maybe in your DE bootup, it's (the wrong one) chosen - try System > preferences > sound or something - check out the /etc/init.d/alsa* scripts |
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| 02:31.24 | enouf | kingsley: are the (any/all) modules needed for the good/preferred soundcard blacklisted anywhere? |
| 02:31.44 | enouf | kingsley: like grep -R /etc/modprobe.d/ and /etc/modules ... |
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| 02:32.20 | enouf | kingsley: compare lsmod output once you boot vs after running alsaconf after that |
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| 02:33.05 | enouf | kingsley: System > preferences > preferred devices ? |
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| 02:36.34 | [reed] | is it considered safe currently to upgrade a box from etch to lenny, or should I wait until the "release" has been done, even though I won't be using a CD |
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| 02:36.57 | stew | [reed]: safe, "/msg dpkg lenny release notes" for the recommended procedure |
| 02:37.06 | [reed] | thanks |
| 02:37.06 | pheezer | does anyone know a tool to find multiple domains from one ip address? |
| 02:37.08 | nsadmin | right after release, it's not going to be pretty... |
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| 02:37.10 | kingsley | enouf: I can't fault you for not having ideas. I'll try to address each one. |
| 02:37.10 | Guerin | [reed]: if your mirror's links have been updated, you're good to go. |
| 02:37.29 | kingsley | enouf: alsactl -store didn't work. |
| 02:38.07 | bahadunn | pheezer: what do you mean |
| 02:38.13 | bahadunn | pheezer: through PTRs? |
| 02:38.26 | enouf | kingsley: you giving us more specifics could help narrow it down .. which DE, do you autologin? |
| 02:38.32 | nsadmin | "didin't work" is not so informative |
| 02:38.43 | enouf | kingsley: what happens if you boot without any X or DE? |
| 02:38.44 | pheezer | i need to find a way to reverse lookup my server's ip to find all the domains hosted on it |
| 02:39.02 | pheezer | is that possible? |
| 02:39.20 | bahadunn | pheezer: not through reverse lookup |
| 02:39.30 | pheezer | well rather, is there a package that handles that though? |
| 02:39.36 | bahadunn | doubt it |
| 02:39.58 | kingsley | enouf: I do not know how to obtain a complete list of modules required by the sound card I wish to use, but /lib/linux-sound-base/noALSA.udev.blacklist does mention the card. |
| 02:41.11 | nsadmin | dunno if this is going to cause a trend... but pro audio developers are starting to resent alsa |
| 02:41.30 | enouf | kingsley: once your card is working ~$ cat /proc/asound/modules |
| 02:41.49 | Alcatros | if i upgrade debian over putty |
| 02:41.49 | maelcum|konv | it is probably because alsa is crap </troll> |
| 02:41.50 | enouf | kingsley: is the main one - all others are dependent upon that one |
| 02:41.57 | Alcatros | how do i get the active session back i had before? |
| 02:42.26 | bahadunn | Alcatros: is this something you backgrounded? |
| 02:42.41 | beardy | screen runs until you close the last shell, if that is your question. |
| 02:42.51 | enouf | kingsley: the file you listed, i never heard of - dunno if it would be an issue or not - have you been playing with custom udev rules? |
| 02:43.30 | Alcatros | during the upgrade it said upgrading network manager.... flup putty was away logically.. |
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| 02:43.54 | kingsley | enouf: It seems to me that this looks interesting... /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base installs the wrong sound card first, then the one I want. |
| 02:44.04 | enouf | kingsley: is alsa-oss installed? if so, is snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss loaded? (though i doubt this has to do with the wrong one becoming default upon boot up) - and it would be nice if you could even answer some questions - like about the DE autologin |
| 02:45.16 | kingsley | enouf: I do not use a user friendly desktop environment, like gnome or kde, so I can not try System > preferences > preferred devices. |
| 02:45.16 | enouf | kingsley: i choose not to toy with that file :-) |
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| 02:45.24 | enouf | kingsley: good - now i can drop all those thoughts and stop wasting my typing on that shit |
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| 02:46.41 | bitmonk | hello, i'm having trouble running make-kpkg against a custom tree, i was building with 'make O=~/build/linux-2.6.27.5-xen', but that's not really kernel-package's style, so i copied the .config into the base kernel tree and tried to run make-kpkg, but i get a few messages (glad to pastebin) and 'nothing to be done'. any thoughts on what i might be overlooking? |
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| 02:49.25 | bitmonk | oh, i'm an idiot, i had no target. |
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| 02:49.36 | bitmonk | i need #bitmonk just so i can ask myself things outloud sometimes ;d |
| 02:49.50 | jamon | bitmonk++ |
| 02:49.59 | bitmonk | ++ on being an idiot? :-P |
| 02:50.07 | jamon | good idea, i'll do that on my silc server so no one can hear me ;) |
| 02:50.17 | bitmonk | heh |
| 02:50.21 | bitmonk | yah i can probably just add one of my IM accounts to my buddy list |
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| 02:50.59 | bitmonk | sometimes it is just easier to solve a problem from the perspective of, "now, why wouldn't i get an answer to that question?" |
| 02:51.26 | jamon | that should be a dpkg factoid.. |
| 02:51.29 | bitmonk | of course the flipside is i've probably spent a week trying to sort something that i should have just asked on irc |
| 02:51.50 | bitmonk | and people are like "duh just run /usr/sbin/fix-everything !" |
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| 02:56.23 | batman_ramirez | hello... i have a network of computers with an ip of 192.xxx.xx.xx each one... the router is 200.xxx.xx .. if i wanna use vnc on one of these computers from other network with ip i have to use?? |
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| 02:57.14 | nicko | helo |
| 02:57.38 | nicko | anyone know if file system for CF card can be raided? |
| 02:58.02 | nicko | (raid 0) |
| 02:58.17 | nicko | (software raid ) |
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| 02:59.25 | jelly-home | nicko: raid works on block devices, not filesystems. |
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| 03:00.17 | jelly-home | nicko: if your CF card is presented as a block device, then it can likely be a part of md raid. |
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| 03:02.49 | kingsley | enouf: I vaguely recall adding no more than a few custom udev rules, and I do not recall any concerned with sound. |
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| 03:03.50 | kj4 | hello all |
| 03:04.01 | ice799 | I think I was asking about 32bit firefox3 for debian etch a while ago; I got it working. |
| 03:04.12 | kingsley | enouf: When sound is broken, /proc/asound/modules contains "0 snd_hda_intel". When sound works, it contains "0 snd_ens1371". |
| 03:04.18 | ice799 | It was really painful, I had to create a 32bit chroot and build a 32bit gtk and then link my firefox3 against that. |
| 03:04.19 | ice799 | Etc, etc. |
| 03:04.24 | ice799 | It was long, and painful. But it worked. |
| 03:04.43 | zinx | ice799: why do you need 32-bit firefox? |
| 03:04.47 | kingsley | enouf: The alsa-oss package is installed, but no oss related module is loaded. |
| 03:04.50 | abrotman | he wants FF3 on etch |
| 03:05.02 | zinx | ah |
| 03:05.04 | ice799 | correction: I have FF3 on etch with flash9. |
| 03:05.07 | ice799 | and it works. |
| 03:05.16 | ice799 | It was just painful. |
| 03:05.17 | zinx | nspluginwrapper works in etch too |
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| 03:05.31 | zinx | FF3, not so much |
| 03:05.38 | ice799 | FF3 works if you are willing to SUFFER. |
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| 03:05.48 | zinx | but hey, that's why there's lenny, right? |
| 03:05.50 | Alcatros | hey guys, how do i get my upgrade session back ? or when is the upgrade finished? while my putty disconnected during the upgrade |
| 03:05.59 | ice799 | zinx: No lenny needed, you can make it work. |
| 03:06.04 | ice799 | I am writing a blog post now about what you have to do. |
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| 03:06.25 | jamon | ice799: make it work versus "just works" though (not to discount your efforts) |
| 03:06.38 | abrotman | ice799: it'll be basically irrelevant by tomorrow |
| 03:06.41 | BirdInTux | kde takin care of |
| 03:06.46 | ice799 | abrotman: False. |
| 03:06.55 | ice799 | We use debian etch on our remote servers and we are not going to upgrade to lenny |
| 03:07.05 | ice799 | we needed firefox3 for automated browser testing of our application |
| 03:07.07 | abrotman | remote servers? X? firefox? |
| 03:07.11 | ice799 | Yep. |
| 03:07.11 | abrotman | that's wrong in so many ways |
| 03:07.16 | ice799 | No, it's perfect. |
| 03:07.21 | abrotman | it's .. dumb |
| 03:07.22 | ice799 | That's exactly what Xvfb was made for. |
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| 03:07.30 | ice799 | It's not dumb at all. |
| 03:07.37 | ice799 | how else would you automate browser testing? |
| 03:08.09 | abrotman | so you're going to test browsers in a chroot on a platform that is marked as "oldstable" ? |
| 03:08.22 | kingsley | enouf: Comparing the output of lsmod for sound and no sound, it seems to me that the biggest difference is that the following modules are loaded when sound is broken: snd_hda_intel, snd_seq_dummy and sound. |
| 03:08.36 | ice799 | abrotman: I'm testing my webapp in firefox3 |
| 03:08.43 | ice799 | abrotman: I'm not testing firefox3 itself. |
| 03:08.58 | abrotman | yeah .. that makes perfect sense .. have fun |
| 03:09.05 | ice799 | It works perfectly |
| 03:09.10 | ice799 | and has provided excellent results. |
| 03:09.55 | ice799 | abrotman: Sadly, the fun is over as of a few days ago. |
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| 03:10.16 | ice799 | Everything works, so there is nothing to do. Oh well. |
| 03:10.28 | Alcatros | Hey guys seriously.. how do i get my session back in debian? when i got disconnected .. and a task was running? |
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| 03:10.45 | abrotman | Alcatros: maybe retty |
| 03:10.48 | jamon | Alcatros: that's waht screen is for |
| 03:10.52 | mib_lbkw6p | hello, i was trying to upgrade some my system but my root directory "/" is full |
| 03:11.06 | Alcatros | screen ? .. |
| 03:11.15 | abrotman | you have to use screen before you start |
| 03:11.25 | mib_lbkw6p | i need to make some room but i don't know what is safe to delete |
| 03:11.26 | Alcatros | so .. screen 1 ? |
| 03:11.30 | nightglider28 | Screen rules. |
| 03:11.39 | nightglider28 | abrotman: irssi+screen=win :P |
| 03:12.00 | abrotman | nightglider28: that doesn't help him .. at all |
| 03:12.11 | jamon | nightglider28: screen+(irssi,silc,xmpp)+mutt>win |
| 03:12.21 | nightglider28 | That wasn't meant to hep him. I was saying irssi and screen rock, together. |
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| 03:12.43 | jamon | Alcatros: you want to run screen -S "make a name here" right when you connect |
| 03:12.53 | Alcatros | i c.. |
| 03:12.57 | Alcatros | the thing is .. |
| 03:13.04 | jamon | Alcatros: then do your upgrade, you can detatch at any time with ctrl+d |
| 03:13.15 | Alcatros | i'am now in front of the machine.. |
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| 03:13.21 | abrotman | i already told you |
| 03:13.24 | enouf | kingsley: enable bootlogd and have a look at /var/log/boot for perhaps some info |
| 03:13.24 | Alcatros | and of course Xwindow doesnt work anymore.. |
| 03:13.38 | jamon | Alcatros: excellent, create a local screen session on it to practise |
| 03:13.43 | Alcatros | and if i switch over to a console it seems to show inbounds from my network card.. |
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| 03:13.59 | abrotman | talks to the wind ... |
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| 03:14.09 | nightglider28 | abrotman: Might as well. |
| 03:14.09 | enouf | kingsley: or .. just create your own ~/.asoundrc file and define your cards there (or /etc/asound.conf or similar) |
| 03:14.42 | fonzarelli | if i want to install debian for the first time, would you recommend downloading the 'current weekly snapshot of Debian testing' ? |
| 03:14.49 | ice799 | fonzarelli: No. |
| 03:14.54 | abrotman | fonzarelli: yes |
| 03:14.57 | fonzarelli | lol |
| 03:15.08 | Alcatros | ...god damn.. |
| 03:15.08 | abrotman | fonzarelli: it will install lenny, which the release is being prepared for right now |
| 03:15.21 | Alcatros | i'am so fucked ,i cant get the console back where it was... |
| 03:15.26 | fonzarelli | abrotman: is that the same as installing lenny and running all patches? |
| 03:15.33 | abrotman | Alcatros: i already gave you the answer .. you ignored it |
| 03:15.47 | abrotman | fonzarelli: it is installing lenny |
| 03:15.53 | Alcatros | nope ... you didnt tell me how i can type in a command in a console which doesnt exist.. |
| 03:16.05 | abrotman | you have no console? |
| 03:16.10 | fonzarelli | abrotman: what's the difference between lenny rc2 and the current weekly snapshot? |
| 03:16.11 | Alcatros | .. not anymore, |
| 03:16.12 | abrotman | at all? no ttys? no ssh? no X ? |
| 03:16.19 | abrotman | fonzarelli: a few days .. |
| 03:16.20 | dureyes | anyone has a link for lenny stable? |
| 03:16.22 | Alcatros | X = gone while upgrading to lenny |
| 03:16.25 | abrotman | dureyes: not stable yet |
| 03:16.26 | fonzarelli | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:16.36 | abrotman | fonzarelli: you'll need http sources to get up to date then |
| 03:16.51 | Alcatros | Ctrl Alt F1-F8 = stuffed up consoles... they show the network transfer inbound |
| 03:16.53 | dureyes | ok, I thought Feb 14 was the release date.. |
| 03:16.53 | nicko | jelly-home: I don't have the CF yet, I am considering getting it |
| 03:16.58 | kj4 | is there a 'hyperterminal' type application installed in lenny by default, if so what is it's name, and if not, can someone recommend one |
| 03:17.01 | stew | dureyes: yes |
| 03:17.10 | abrotman | kj4: minicom .. not by default |
| 03:17.12 | kingsley | enouf: I need to go for a while, but before I do, I'd like to acknowledge your prolific intellect. Thanks. |
| 03:17.17 | enouf | kj4: gtkterm? |
| 03:17.20 | mib_lbkw6p | what can i do if "/" is 100% full? |
| 03:17.24 | nicko | jelly-home: so I don't know if it is a block device |
| 03:17.29 | kj4 | abrotman, enouf, thanks |
| 03:17.29 | Alcatros | abrotman: is there a default command to kill the X Window? |
| 03:17.39 | Alcatros | like button combinations.. |
| 03:17.39 | abrotman | depends how you started it |
| 03:17.44 | Alcatros | startx |
| 03:17.47 | enouf | kingsley: uh - ok - thanks? ;-) |
| 03:17.47 | abrotman | the release notes tell you not to upgrade from X |
| 03:17.58 | Alcatros | i didnt.. |
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| 03:18.09 | Alcatros | remote via putty per console.. |
| 03:18.19 | Alcatros | but thats now the only thing whats left... |
| 03:18.27 | enouf | kingsley: IIRC abrotman mentioned alsasrc site for some decent docs |
| 03:18.39 | abrotman | alsa-project.org |
| 03:19.39 | jelly-home | nicko: if it looks like an IDE or SCSI disk to the system, it's ok. |
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| 03:20.34 | Alcatros | are there more questions after the network manager? or cant i reboot my machine? |
| 03:20.58 | BirdInTux | what is a good program to shrink my linux system partation |
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| 03:21.11 | enouf | hrn http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc |
| 03:21.16 | Coder365_1 | BirdInTux: gparted |
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| 03:22.38 | haxality | part of me wanted to pop in here just to say IS IT OUT YET but I guess I'll spare you guys since you all work so hard :) |
| 03:23.06 | zhangweiwu | Hi. how do I find my USB printer device in /dev/ ? There isn't something like lp0 or usblp0 like it used to be several years ago. |
| 03:23.09 | zhangweiwu | I guess I am outdated. |
| 03:23.11 | abrotman | Alcatros: do you have any way to login at all ? |
| 03:23.16 | Alcatros | no |
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| 03:23.30 | abrotman | zhangweiwu: /dev/usb/foo ? |
| 03:23.46 | enouf | nicko: even files can be made to look like block devices to the system, man losetup |
| 03:23.49 | s3a | can someone help me fix a dpkg problem? |
| 03:23.49 | s3a | (Reading database ... dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 03:23.49 | s3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.50 | s3a | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 03:24.07 | zhangweiwu | abrotman: right! thanks. but there is only one lp0 there. I should have two printers plugged in. |
| 03:24.08 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 03:24.31 | abrotman | zhangweiwu: dmesg might give you a hint as to what happenend |
| 03:24.46 | zhangweiwu | abrotman: both printers are working! and appear in lsusb |
| 03:24.54 | enouf | zhangweiwu: i think i had a /dev/usb/usb0 or something - try looking at dmesg |
| 03:25.17 | abrotman | zhangweiwu: lsusb just says the system sees them .. not that the drivers are loading |
| 03:25.18 | zhangweiwu | enouf: thanks. Now I think I am finding clues in dmesg. |
| 03:25.39 | zhangweiwu | abrotman: good hint. thanks |
| 03:25.54 | haxality | zhangweiwu, if you pastebin the dmesg output I could take a look, not that I'm any kind of prodigy |
| 03:26.03 | haxality | it sounds like you're already back on track though |
| 03:26.58 | enouf | s3a: sounds like an issue with the pkg itself - where did you get it? |
| 03:27.18 | enouf | s3a: and don't flood the channel with pasting |
| 03:27.48 | s3a | enouf, result for apt-get dist-upgrade, i also get this error message graphically with update manager and i didnt think id be flooding, i selectively cut out what was important of the error message |
| 03:28.24 | zhangweiwu | haxality: yes I think now I got what I need. the printer stuck and went wrong during a scanning (it has a scanner in it) and lost its device node in /dev/usb/ |
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| 03:29.21 | JyZyXEL | i can see some dpkg problems 8) |
| 03:29.25 | JyZyXEL | lenny must be out |
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| 03:29.45 | DaBonBon | it isn't |
| 03:29.52 | JyZyXEL | oh :( |
| 03:29.58 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: it's available on mirrors already, under the name "lenny" if not "stable"... I just finished upgrading several machines |
| 03:30.01 | H3XiL3D | is apache2.2-common also ssl ? |
| 03:30.12 | JyZyXEL | i think its available under "stable" |
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| 03:30.21 | stew | JyZyXEL: on some mirrors |
| 03:30.28 | stew | not on others |
| 03:30.30 | stew | H3XiL3D: yes |
| 03:30.37 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: Whether it's available as "stable" depends on your mirror, but it's been "lenny" forever |
| 03:30.55 | JyZyXEL | my mirror is serving it as stable :) |
| 03:31.18 | JyZyXEL | but im jsut gonna screw up the upgrade like i always screw everything up |
| 03:31.47 | nsadmin | then try with -d |
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| 03:32.46 | Alcatros | how can i verify does my upgrade is ok? |
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| 03:33.21 | mib_lbkw6p | my "/" is 262M of 268M but when i type "ls -lah" nothing is over one mb. |
| 03:33.27 | abrotman | Alcatros: can you login at all ? |
| 03:33.40 | Alcatros | i restarted my notebook |
| 03:33.43 | s3a | what does "lenny release in progress" mean? |
| 03:33.44 | Alcatros | so now i can.. |
| 03:33.49 | s3a | does that mean release in 24 hours? |
| 03:33.51 | Alcatros | but i need to use X Window, |
| 03:33.56 | mib_lbkw6p | any ideas on what i can do to free up some space? |
| 03:33.57 | abrotman | Alcatros: why? |
| 03:34.07 | stew | s3a: probably less |
| 03:34.07 | s3a | or is it the usual we're gonna release as soon as we can? |
| 03:34.07 | Wyzard | s3a: it means they're working on building all the CD images (over 500 of them) |
| 03:34.09 | Alcatros | while the other consoles auto fill automatically with crap... |
| 03:34.13 | H3XiL3D | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.29 | Alcatros | like.. as soon as i go over to them they fill themselfs with ip shit.. |
| 03:34.36 | Danny_G | wow, Debian 5.0 are 5 DVDs now |
| 03:34.40 | s3a | stew, Wyzard but compiz and cpufrequtils are both severely buggy still |
| 03:34.43 | stew | s3a: we're waiting for the isos to finish building, the ftp mirrors are syncing right now, after the isos finish building we push the cd mirrors and seed the torrents |
| 03:35.10 | Alcatros | i think my var log is exploding |
| 03:35.43 | Wyzard | stew: Is there a page somewhere that lists how many of the isos are built so far? |
| 03:36.00 | enouf | silly |
| 03:36.26 | enouf | everybody .. go to sleep for 24 hrs or something |
| 03:36.42 | stew | Wyzard: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.lenny_babble/ |
| 03:36.49 | enouf | it's like a MalWart mad dash on black friday |
| 03:36.56 | Danny_G | i see 30 CD iso images for 5.0 (i386) |
| 03:37.09 | enouf | heh - babble .. how apropos :-) |
| 03:37.16 | s3a | can someone please help me with my lenny dpkg problem? |
| 03:37.21 | Wyzard | stew: cool, thanks |
| 03:37.34 | stew | so its missing mipsel and sparc |
| 03:38.09 | abrotman | shouldn't the netinsts be in there ? |
| 03:38.17 | stew | the small images are done here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.lenny_bebble/ |
| 03:38.27 | s3a | does debian take bug reports as seriously if the release is classified "stable" as opposed to testing? |
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| 03:38.48 | stew | s3a: what do you mean? |
| 03:38.58 | nightglider28 | Probably. That's the stuff that should already be fiexed. |
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| 03:39.12 | nightglider28 | needs food. |
| 03:39.46 | zerothis | What CD iso should I download to get Debian on a 300mhz 128mb laptop? |
| 03:40.00 | nightglider28 | i386 |
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| 03:40.25 | s3a | stew, like last time i tried, lenny wasnt stable (to Debian's standards) and i still want to file bug reports and hope they are not ignored and as for my dpkg problem i get "dpkg returned an error code 2" |
| 03:40.30 | bitmonk | is there a usb img? |
| 03:40.46 | nightglider28 | Possibly. |
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| 03:41.03 | s3a | bitmonk, u can install to usb as if it is a hard drive just remove power from connected hard drive's while installing to usb |
| 03:41.04 | stew | s3a: no, your bug reports shouldn't be ignored. depending on the severity of the bug, the bugs won't be fied in stable however, they'd be fied in unstable |
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| 03:41.18 | bitmonk | s3a: want to install *from* usb on my netbook with no optical drive. |
| 03:41.20 | stew | s3a: show us the command you typed and the entire output when you get 'error code 2' |
| 03:41.23 | td1231 | what's the difference between netinstall and business card sizes? |
| 03:41.33 | stew | bitmonk: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 03:41.37 | bitmonk | i know i can use various tools, but they don't always work and are a pain. usb images ++ |
| 03:41.41 | abrotman | td1231: netinst has the basic system, business card rquires the internet to finish |
| 03:41.42 | bitmonk | will do.. also, is there lpia arch? |
| 03:41.52 | stew | td1231: businesscard is 30-50mb, netinstall is 130-150 |
| 03:42.14 | s3a | bitmonk, i havent solved my problem but http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=34266&highlight= |
| 03:42.21 | nightglider28 | abrotman: You think the businesscard would have the bcm modules? |
| 03:42.23 | jamon | last time i tried business card via usb it barfed looking for my cdrom |
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| 03:42.35 | stew | td1231: note though that when you start with the businesscard image, you have to download everything that was additionally on the netinstall, so its not as if you end up downloading less (you are more likely to end up downloading more with businesscard) |
| 03:43.00 | stew | jamon: yes, becuase the businesscard doesn't have all the base packages, you need at least a netinst |
| 03:43.10 | s3a | stew, http://pastebin.com/m3c56afca |
| 03:43.17 | stew | nightglider28: the businesscard would have exactly the same kernel and modules as the other installers |
| 03:43.18 | bitmonk | lpia = low power intel architecture (essentially, atom). ubuntu has a 'netbook remix' but it's a weak install, just untars a whole system, no partitioning options, wiped out my factory winxp, and the restore partition (on a machine with no optical drive), and just generally, yanno, lacked the functionality of an actual install. just a very vague grub warning 'dont do this unless you are sure!' or something, heh.. |
| 03:43.30 | nightglider28 | :/ |
| 03:43.34 | Wyzard | The reason I started using businesscard instead of netinst is that netinst only had a generic i386 kernel and would always install that rather than an optimized one, but businesscard had to download a kernel package so it'd download the right one for the system's processor |
| 03:43.43 | Wyzard | but that was a few releases ago, so it's probably not true anymore |
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| 03:44.44 | Wyzard | imports the available lenny .torrent files into transmission so as to beat the rush on the cdimage servers |
| 03:44.46 | stew | s3a: what version of python-uno is installed now? |
| 03:44.55 | bitmonk | was like "yeah, i am sure i want to run the netbook installer, wtf does this mean?!?" then automated parted and tar output. |
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| 03:45.19 | s3a | stew, http://pastebin.com/m532ba886 |
| 03:45.45 | enouf | nightglider28: after what i explained to you why would you even ask that? |
| 03:46.03 | bitmonk | it's like "thanks for selecting, 'yeah, whatever', we're deleting your working, if crappy, existing operating system, which also contained a wubi install, i hope you have another computer!' : -P |
| 03:46.24 | stew | s3a: i'd file a bug, that is something that should be fixed |
| 03:46.24 | nightglider28 | enouf: I have a tendency to check things way too many times. Sorry. :/ |
| 03:46.38 | s3a | stew, what is? |
| 03:46.48 | stew | s3a: the missing final newline |
| 03:47.01 | stew | s3a: after filing the bug, you might try "echo >> /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.list" |
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| 03:47.14 | s3a | why after? why not before? |
| 03:47.21 | s3a | stew, why after? why not before? |
| 03:47.42 | stew | s3a: becuase i don't trust that after you fix your problem you'll actually file it :) |
| 03:47.43 | bitmonk | s3a: btw have you read up on ubuntu wiki on creating usb installers from iso? there is a generic utility for it that often works. i also wonder if ubuntu's usb-image-creator or somesuch package may work on debian, it's a package included on ubuntu livecd, but not always installed. probably doesn't have deps that would cause issues on debian. |
| 03:48.07 | s3a | stew, not true, i try to file as many bugs to make debian god-like ;) |
| 03:48.08 | bitmonk | but, of course, it can be done manually, i'll poke at that thread and maybe also share some items from my notes of working with nexenta and ubuntu |
| 03:48.25 | enouf | nightglider28: not that .. i mean, i guess you just misunderstood me, or don't know enough about the differences between various distribution media - however, it's possible there are some exceptions (concerning missing modules) .. which one do you need? |
| 03:48.45 | stew | bitmonk: it sounds like you are talking about unetbootin |
| 03:48.47 | s3a | stew, and a bug report would lead to an update and my problem is that i cant install my updates |
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| 03:48.49 | nightglider28 | checks. |
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| 03:49.01 | nightglider28 | Hrmm. |
| 03:49.19 | nightglider28 | Posible that the driver is currently in my kernel and not a module as it's not showing up in lsmod. |
| 03:49.30 | bitmonk | stew: indeed. there is also an ubuntu tool, i'm not sure if it's ubuntu-specific enough to not work with debian, given much common ground wrt packaging and install. |
| 03:49.42 | nightglider28 | Either way I have the BCM5906M chipset. |
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| 03:50.07 | bitmonk | takes cover immediately after using the term 'debuntu' (now) |
| 03:50.19 | enouf | nightglider28: and which release are you trying to install? |
| 03:50.21 | nightglider28 | debuntu? Sounds familiar |
| 03:50.25 | nsadmin | nightglider28 what happens if you run ifconfig -a |
| 03:50.30 | enouf | nightglider28: is that a wifi chip? |
| 03:50.33 | nsadmin | how many paragraphs do you get |
| 03:50.34 | nightglider28 | enouf: I will be installing Lenny once the stable iso's are up. |
| 03:50.40 | nightglider28 | No, ethernet. |
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| 03:51.04 | bitmonk | what? no armor-piercing bullets? the debian community has gotten soft since i started using ubuntu! |
| 03:51.05 | nsadmin | why from isos? |
| 03:51.07 | bitmonk | (maybe it's time to come back) |
| 03:51.12 | nightglider28 | nsadmin: I get a list of interfaces. What are you looking for? |
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| 03:51.39 | nsadmin | a list of the interfaces? |
| 03:51.52 | nightglider28 | nsadmin: I've been ony the testing branch for about 6 months. I'd just like a fresh install when it goes stable. |
| 03:52.18 | nsadmin | that's up to you, I suppose |
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| 03:53.00 | enouf | !listvals 5906 |
| 03:53.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of '5906' by value (3): broadcom ;; bcm5906m ;; rfc981. |
| 03:53.19 | enouf | !bcm5906m |
| 03:53.19 | dpkg | from memory, bcm5906m is the Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express network controller. It is not supported by the tg3 driver in Etch's 2.6.18 kernel. For support of this device during Debian installation, ask me about <etchnhalf> or <install lenny>. |
| 03:54.02 | s3a | stew, any ideas on what i should do? |
| 03:54.12 | enouf | nightglider28: can you show me lspci -nn | grep -i bcm5906 output? |
| 03:54.15 | enouf | er |
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| 03:54.24 | enouf | nightglider28: can you show me lspci -nn | grep -i 5906 output? |
| 03:54.34 | nsadmin | nightglider28 still interested in a list of the interfaces (not the full output of ifconfig, but the list of interface names) |
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| 03:54.41 | nightglider28 | 09:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express [14e4:1713] (rev 02) |
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| 03:54.50 | enouf | nsadmin: ask for ls /sys/class/net :-) |
| 03:55.08 | nsadmin | does that to himself |
| 03:55.20 | enouf | nightglider28: looks fine for lenny |
| 03:55.25 | enouf | nightglider28: tg3 module |
| 03:55.26 | nightglider28 | eth0, lo, vmnet1, vmnet8, wlan0, wmaster0 |
| 03:55.33 | enouf | ~$ grep '14e4.*1713' /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.pcimap |
| 03:55.34 | enouf | tg3 0x000014e4 0x00001713 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 03:55.54 | nightglider28 | enouf: Yayness! *hugs* |
| 03:56.04 | nsadmin | so you have eth0 |
| 03:56.14 | nightglider28 | Yes. |
| 03:56.24 | BirdInTux | whats the command to install firefox |
| 03:56.33 | BirdInTux | without having to go to the site and all that crap |
| 03:56.34 | nsadmin | perhaps that's your ethernet port |
| 03:56.41 | nightglider28 | It is... |
| 03:57.34 | s3a | stew, ur echo >> /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.list command worked but i had to do dpkg --configure -a and what exactly should i file as a bug report? it's on python-uno? |
| 03:58.18 | abrotman | BirdInTux: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 03:58.33 | s3a | BirdInTux, su then apt-get install iceweasel (iceweasel=firefox for debian) |
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| 04:00.08 | enouf | graciously accepts the hugs :-) |
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| 04:01.43 | BirdInTux | oh ok then i have that |
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| 04:03.43 | d-b | lenny cds out ? |
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| 04:04.16 | nightglider28 | I'm going to bed. |
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| 04:04.25 | nightglider28 | 'night, people. |
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| 04:05.08 | MarkJones | Well maybe we'll get an official release tommorow. |
| 04:05.44 | Guerin | MarkJones: is tomorrow still going to be the weekend, UTC? |
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| 04:06.45 | MarkJones | UTC means what? |
| 04:06.58 | Wyzard | same thing as GMT |
| 04:07.00 | Guerin | MarkJones: it looks a lot like GMT, but isn't the same. |
| 04:07.09 | MarkJones | oh |
| 04:07.18 | Wyzard | well, different with respect to leap seconds or something like that, I think |
| 04:07.22 | Wyzard | but yeah, basically the same |
| 04:07.45 | teratoma | any idea why the net 0.0.0.0 would be missing from here?: http://pastebin.com/m31b6389d |
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| 04:08.23 | Wyzard | teratoma: you have no default route |
| 04:08.30 | Guerin | hm, i need to read a few of the articles I have open on my browser |
| 04:08.30 | teratoma | Wyzard: how do i fix that ? |
| 04:08.42 | Guerin | firefox just can't take the strain |
| 04:08.43 | Wyzard | teratoma: How is your eth0 configured? |
| 04:09.22 | teratoma | Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/m3c6559ab |
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| 04:10.11 | Wyzard | teratoma: Since you're using static IP configuration, you need a "gateway" line in the iface eth0 block in your interfaces file |
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| 04:10.32 | Wyzard | teratoma: set it to the address of your router |
| 04:12.03 | s3a | stew, what severity should i file the python-uno bug as? |
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| 04:12.53 | teratoma | Wyzard: tried that. ssame symtpoms |
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| 04:13.10 | Wyzard | teratoma: You have to ifdown and ifup the interface after you add the gateway line |
| 04:14.27 | teratoma | Wyzard: I don't believe you, but I'll try it! |
| 04:14.55 | mns | What's a Java Dev Environment people use that they would recommend ? |
| 04:15.44 | Wyzard | mns: eclipse |
| 04:16.47 | SAZ | Good night. |
| 04:16.49 | teratoma | Wyzard: same problem. http://pastebin.com/m43e16c45 |
| 04:16.49 | mns | What's a Java Dev Environment people use that they would recommend ? Outside of Eclipse, NetBeans, IDEA ... :) |
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| 04:17.01 | teratoma | emacs , eclipse, vim. there you go. |
| 04:17.10 | miksuh_ | mns: Netbeans |
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| 04:17.59 | mns | teratoma: With Emacs .. you use JDEE or JDEE + ECB ? Or OO-Browser ? |
| 04:18.15 | teratoma | do you know what emacs is ? |
| 04:18.32 | Wyzard | teratoma: What are those post-up and pre-down commands you're using? |
| 04:18.45 | teratoma | Wyzard: you told me to ifdown and ifup the interface |
| 04:18.56 | mns | teratoma: yeah I do know what Emacs is. |
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| 04:19.03 | teratoma | Wyzard: i really have no idea why 0.0.0..0 is not appearing. i have installed 100s and 100s of unix machines. i just dont get it |
| 04:19.12 | pickcoder | teratoma: you don't have a 10.0.1.0 gateway address? |
| 04:19.20 | teratoma | pickcoder: nope! my colo is insane |
| 04:19.26 | Wyzard | teratoma: I meant to run "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" at your prompt, not to put post-up lines in your interfaces file |
| 04:19.33 | teratoma | Wyzard: i tried that too |
| 04:19.38 | pickcoder | are they sprinkling magic dust on the routing tables? |
| 04:19.40 | miksuh | mns: netbeans is in the lenny contrib repository. i use it for the J2ME coding |
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| 04:19.52 | teratoma | the networking is working somehow... i can ssh in. |
| 04:20.02 | pickcoder | teratoma: route add default gw <ip> |
| 04:20.10 | Wyzard | teratoma: take those post-up lines out; they're wrong (do those programs even exist?) |
| 04:20.19 | Wyzard | pickcoder: that's not persistent though |
| 04:20.37 | pickcoder | if you can't get out your own machine after than then either you have the wrong gateway or your colo is even more bonkers |
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| 04:21.13 | pickcoder | I'm wiling to bet you are going to need a static subnet route to get out |
| 04:21.34 | mns | miksuh: its difficult to run Eclipse/NetBeans on a low end system. |
| 04:22.46 | teratoma | pickcoder: there is something else going on . not sure what. http://pastebin.com/m5fbd7e84 |
| 04:23.29 | Wyzard | teratoma: is it a vserver or OpenVZ system? |
| 04:23.30 | pickcoder | teratoma: then there's a big piece of the puzzle missing in the middle |
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| 04:23.43 | teratoma | Wyzard: nope. real hardware. real ethernet device. real everything. |
| 04:24.46 | Wyzard | dunno then |
| 04:24.58 | Wyzard | hmm, the mipsel CD build finished... looks like we're just waiting for sparc now |
| 04:25.14 | teratoma | pickcoder: here's me using similar network info on another machine : http://pastebin.com/m1ebb4ca4 |
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| 04:29.19 | td1231 | !lenny status |
| 04:29.19 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress Mirrors now show stable => lenny. |
| 04:29.46 | td1231 | what are the unforseen disasters? |
| 04:29.57 | Wyzard | a build machine crashing or something like that |
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| 04:30.07 | teratoma | what do you think unforseen means |
| 04:30.09 | Wyzard | or a huge bug being discovered |
| 04:30.09 | td1231 | wow |
| 04:30.13 | haxality | td1231, take a moment to think about your questions before asking them. |
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| 04:30.18 | haxality | really. |
| 04:30.27 | haxality | :P |
| 04:30.29 | td1231 | haxality: I was just curious |
| 04:30.40 | haxality | I know, but.. please try not to completely murder the english language |
| 04:31.01 | haxality | "What are the unforseen disasters" is just such a logic bomb |
| 04:31.07 | td1231 | how did I "murder" the English language? |
| 04:31.07 | haxality | my brain hurts from reading it |
| 04:31.17 | teratoma | maybe someone will discover evil broadcom proprietary drivers in the kernel |
| 04:31.26 | haxality | dude I'm just messing around don't take me super-seriously |
| 04:31.40 | td1231 | haxality: murdering languages is far more logical then my previous statement... right |
| 04:31.48 | teratoma | i sure wish there were more evil broadcom proprietary broadcom drivers in the kernel |
| 04:31.51 | haxality | now I'm really confused. |
| 04:31.55 | haxality | hahahaha |
| 04:32.05 | td1231 | haxality: wow |
| 04:32.09 | haxality | evil broadcom proprietary broadcom drivers? |
| 04:32.12 | haxality | the worst! |
| 04:32.38 | teratoma | haxality: since they took them out, i can't netboot anymore because i am too stupid to figure out how to build my own kernel and initrd and stick it in FAI |
| 04:32.48 | jzhou | great to know there is something as .lenny_babble though |
| 04:33.09 | haxality | :( |
| 04:33.19 | haxality | I was mostly poking fun at the extra <broadcom> you threw in there |
| 04:33.33 | haxality | unfortunately broadcom is mean and refuse to be nice with their hardware specs |
| 04:33.52 | teratoma | ive been at work for 18 hours on valentines day, i have an excuse |
| 04:33.58 | haxality | oh snap |
| 04:34.04 | haxality | valentine's day is BS anyways |
| 04:34.21 | haxality | working 18 hours on a saturday is just bad though |
| 04:34.37 | teratoma | i guess people must not netboot with newer Dells then, or they all use redhat |
| 04:34.39 | td1231 | If I download the netinst, is it going to be the same thing as getting the business card edition with the downloading? |
| 04:34.49 | stew | s3a: grave |
| 04:35.20 | haxality | td1231, it contains a few more drivers and packages to support more hardware and whatnot |
| 04:35.31 | haxality | if you want the absolute smallest install image then the business card will do it |
| 04:35.37 | haxality | (as far as CDs go) |
| 04:36.06 | haxality | all the net-based installers are going to download everything they need anyways so if you can spare the bandwidth and you have semi-normal hardware you should be ok |
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| 04:38.13 | jzhou | does anyone if the bot "dpkg" on this channel ever logged private messages? |
| 04:39.20 | stew | jzhou: yes, it would |
| 04:39.32 | jzhou | stew: thanks, stew. |
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| 04:41.50 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 04:41.56 | [gnubie] | is lenny released already? |
| 04:42.17 | jzhou | ask dpkg: iso generation in progress |
| 04:42.17 | Penix | who's lenny? what did he do? |
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| 04:43.05 | Internat | ISO generation in progress Mirrors now show stable => lenny. |
| 04:44.00 | path_ | but I don't see symlinks |
| 04:44.06 | path_ | http://debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ points to 4r07 |
| 04:44.11 | jzhou | a news so great brought by Internat, I will check it out right away, |
| 04:44.27 | stew | SOME mirrors show stable => lenny. it could take 2 days for all mirrors to be synced |
| 04:44.33 | abrotman | path_: not done generating it seems |
| 04:44.42 | stew | path_: the web will be rebuilt after the cd push |
| 04:44.43 | jzhou | but i think still there r 8 rc bugs unfixed. |
| 04:44.57 | jzhou | including an installer bug |
| 04:45.06 | stew | jzhou: more like 50 |
| 04:45.20 | stew | jzhou: the rc2 installer is the one being released |
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| 04:45.27 | path_ | ok, thanks guys :) |
| 04:45.31 | jzhou | stew: glad that u correct me |
| 04:46.10 | enouf | revises his 24hr statement to 48hrs |
| 04:46.12 | asdfqwer | anyone ever get this? |
| 04:46.14 | asdfqwer | Adding client to server's list failed, CORBA error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0 |
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| 04:46.25 | asdfqwer | Adding client to server's list failed, CORBA error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0 |
| 04:46.27 | sirob | wtf |
| 04:46.29 | stew | asdfqwer: please stop |
| 04:46.29 | asdfqwer | Adding client to server's list failed, CORBA error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0 |
| 04:46.31 | asdfqwer | Adding client to server's list failed, CORBA error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0 |
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| 04:47.49 | asdfqwer | sorry about that mates |
| 04:47.59 | kj4 | abrotman, thanks- minicom works well |
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| 04:48.20 | asdfqwer | but i think the error is pretty clear. .. |
| 04:48.57 | Penix | err... |
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| 04:49.38 | asdfqwer | what's COBRA? |
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| 04:49.59 | jzhou | carroll.aset.psu.edu has lenny up right now, just to let u guys know. |
| 04:50.20 | Wyzard | asdfqwer: It's a somewhat outdated middleware technology, basically object-oriented RPC |
| 04:50.28 | s3a | stew, http://pastebin.com/m10cd2dbd how do i get out of this and continue with the bug report? |
| 04:50.39 | Wyzard | asdfqwer: GNOME used to use it a lot, but has been moving away from it in favor of dbus |
| 04:50.51 | asdfqwer | Wyzard, any idea what package could be using it? |
| 04:50.52 | s3a | stew, that's what i get when filing bug report for python-uno |
| 04:51.00 | stew | COBRA or CORBA? |
| 04:51.13 | asdfqwer | ya, CORBA |
| 04:51.13 | sirob | CORBA |
| 04:51.15 | Wyzard | asdfqwer: Where are you seeing that message, and what actions of yours cause it to occur? |
| 04:51.25 | Wyzard | stew: Common Object Request Broker Architecture |
| 04:51.28 | asdfqwer | assorted process starts |
| 04:51.38 | asdfqwer | generally anything in gnome- |
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| 04:51.44 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 04:51.46 | stew | Wyzard: right, he said COBRA |
| 04:51.52 | stew | oh, but his flood said CORBA |
| 04:51.57 | Wyzard | oh, I see, didn't even notice that :-) |
| 04:52.01 | stew | s3a: yes, continue |
| 04:52.14 | s3a | stew, HOW do i continue? |
| 04:52.17 | stew | Wyzard: yeah, ignore me :) |
| 04:52.23 | stew | s3a: hit q |
| 04:52.34 | coniptor | I'm trying to move to a LUKS encrypted root. When I run the cryptsetup command with luksFormat I get this: |
| 04:52.36 | coniptor | Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec and verify that /dev/md2 contains at least 133 sectors. |
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| 04:52.39 | s3a | stew, thx |
| 04:52.41 | asdfqwer | some hello huh? |
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| 04:53.07 | jzhou | i could reasonably conjectured that the debian cd-image mirror is synced in alphabetical order. |
| 04:53.18 | coniptor | How do I check for essiv suport? I have cat'ed /proc/cryptsetup and have aes cbc and sha256 but not essiv |
| 04:53.19 | s3a | stew, title of bug report could be "caused dpkg error code (2) when attempting to upgrade" ? |
| 04:53.39 | deadcat_ | what linux-image do i use if i have a xeon cpu? with HT |
| 04:53.42 | asdfqwer | oh holy cow |
| 04:53.47 | asdfqwer | it could be this crux theme |
| 04:53.52 | Wyzard | coniptor: You need to load some modules -- dm-crypt, cbc, aes, sha256, maybe some others |
| 04:54.09 | Penix | deadcat_: be more specific. what sort of xeon? |
| 04:54.16 | coniptor | Wyzard: ty I'll check my kernel's lib modules path. |
| 04:54.16 | Wyzard | coniptor: I don't think there's a module for essiv |
| 04:54.35 | deadcat_ | Penix: 2.8GHz |
| 04:55.03 | Penix | deadcat_: no. what type of chip. there are Xeons based on everything from Pentium II's to x86_64 cores |
| 04:55.27 | Wyzard | coniptor: I use LUKS and I've never had to do anything manually with module paths |
| 04:55.33 | coniptor | Wyzard: then how do I determine the solution or cause of this issue. Have you run into it? |
| 04:55.35 | Penix | deadcat_: '2.8GHz' could be a 32bit Pentium 4 or a 64bit Core Something |
| 04:55.41 | s3a | deadcat_, x86, x86-64 |
| 04:55.49 | s3a | deadcat_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon |
| 04:55.53 | deadcat_ | k |
| 04:55.54 | Wyzard | coniptor: Make sure you have dm-crypt loaded |
| 04:56.04 | coniptor | Wyzard: I'm using a custom kernel but I have ALL the kernel modules in the crypto section compiled in as well as hifn for my hifn accelerator card |
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| 04:56.12 | coniptor | Wyzard: ok, will check |
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| 04:56.45 | enouf | deadcat_: any -686 image will do for any xeon |
| 04:56.52 | coniptor | Wyzard: I have dm_crypt, dm_round_robin, dm_multipath, dm_snapshot, dm_mirror, dm_log, dm_mod |
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| 04:57.32 | Wyzard | coniptor: crypto-related modules I have loaded, running sid's 2.6.26-1-amd64: crypto_blkcipher, dm_crypt, cbc, aes_generic, aes_x86_64, sha256_generic |
| 04:57.47 | asdfqwer | anyone know the utility for gnome-themes? |
| 04:57.59 | Wyzard | coniptor: crypto_blkcipher and aes_generic are dependencies of others in that list so they shouldn't need to be loaded manually |
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| 04:58.21 | coniptor | Wyzard: ok let me check on those. moment.. |
| 04:58.53 | s3a | stew, can u plz help me with the subject (=title) of my bug report? |
| 04:59.09 | deadcat_ | xeon cpu fam: 15, stepping 7, bogomips 5600 |
| 04:59.10 | Wyzard | coniptor: On my 32-bit laptop, I have the same modules except aes_i586 instead of aes_x86_64 |
| 04:59.10 | enouf | coniptor: i see essiv as a cipher, to be chosen/used during dmsetup time |
| 04:59.26 | stew | "file list missing final newline" or whatever the error message from dpkg was |
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| 04:59.39 | Wyzard | It's not a cipher |
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| 04:59.49 | Wyzard | It's an algorithm for calculating IVs for the cipher |
| 05:00.06 | asdfqwer | ah found it |
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| 05:00.18 | Wyzard | by taking the sha256 hash of the block number, I think, rather than just using the block number itself (which would be aes-cbc-plain) |
| 05:00.25 | polatov | what about lenny? |
| 05:00.44 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.59 | enouf | yes, algo - big deal |
| 05:01.04 | enouf | it's still not a module |
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| 05:01.31 | Wyzard | Well, the reason I was making the point that it isn't a cipher is because ciphers *are* kernel modules |
| 05:01.45 | coniptor | enouf: dmsetup, is that during install? I'm moving an existing etch r6 install from single ide to raid1 sata on md2 |
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| 05:01.57 | coniptor | I'm trying to use cryptsetup. |
| 05:02.01 | stew | polatov: have you seen the /topic? do you have a more specific question? |
| 05:02.29 | polatov | stew yes |
| 05:02.44 | polatov | today is 15 |
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| 05:02.51 | polatov | why so long? |
| 05:03.00 | ScottG489 | Ok so my debian server went down a few months ago (I wasnt using it too much at the time anyways) because of a power outage and it didn't seem to start normally like usual. I was just able to hook a monitor up to it to see what was wrong. I got the OS to boot up and right before the login it gives me this: "/usr/sbin/apache is not executable, not starting/reloading... failed!(in red letters)". Then on the next line: "Starting |
| 05:03.00 | ScottG489 | web server (apache2)..." So this (im guessing) has something to do with that power outage a while ago because it was working fine before. I just SSHed onto the server and also http requested it fine but I'm just wondering what that error could mean. |
| 05:03.03 | Wyzard | polatov: because there are over 500 CD images to build |
| 05:03.05 | stew | polatov: becuase there were around 550 isos to be built, and they are still building |
| 05:03.16 | polatov | oh |
| 05:03.21 | Wyzard | getting close to done, I think, though |
| 05:03.21 | polatov | ok )) |
| 05:03.23 | enouf | coniptor: read /Documentation/device-mapper/dm-crypt.txt |
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| 05:03.38 | Internat | yah! on my local mirror stable point to lenny :D |
| 05:03.41 | stew | polatov: we scheduled to start today at 1200utc and actuall get started around 1030, everything is looking good, its just a long process |
| 05:03.42 | coniptor | enouf: ty very much. checking now. =) |
| 05:03.48 | coniptor | Wyzard: ty as well |
| 05:04.36 | polatov | stew, lenny will be today? |
| 05:04.56 | Wyzard | stew: from that link you posted earlier, it looks like only sparc is missing |
| 05:04.59 | Internat | polatov: it already is on some mirrors |
| 05:05.02 | stew | Wyzard: yeah |
| 05:05.13 | Wyzard | hmm, but a s390.tmp directory just appeared there |
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| 05:05.21 | Internat | i just checked my local mirror and stable -> lenny |
| 05:05.24 | stew | Wyzard: it'll be a question of whether or not Sledge is asleep or if he wakes up or what :) |
| 05:05.35 | Wyzard | sledge? |
| 05:05.41 | polatov | Internat, link please |
| 05:05.44 | enouf | Wyzard: to be a pedant for a moment; no, ciphers aren;t modules, however 'cipher generating instruments' are :-P |
| 05:05.47 | jzhou | polatov: check out the mirror at debian carroll.aset.psu.edu, they have netinstall and business card installation cd ready |
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| 05:06.01 | stew | Wyzard: our current dpl is the one that does the iso's |
| 05:06.03 | stew | isos |
| 05:06.11 | Wyzard | ah |
| 05:06.14 | stew | (not becuase he's dpl, becuase he does the isos) |
| 05:06.30 | enouf | Wyzard: yes though, cipher-names are modulenames as well - yep |
| 05:06.34 | stew | polatov: it will probably be announced sometime in the, uhh next half of a day? |
| 05:08.02 | td1231 | is the netinstall for lenny out? |
| 05:08.21 | stew | td1231: has been for weeks |
| 05:08.22 | jzhou | td1231: check out ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/ |
| 05:09.22 | stew | oh and they have sparc? |
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| 05:09.25 | stew | oh the small ones |
| 05:10.32 | jzhou | stew: right, only netinstall and businesscard. |
| 05:11.05 | jzhou | stew: the psu mirror seems to be most up2date |
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| 05:14.55 | scientes | what gui should i install for a 1Ghz machine? |
| 05:15.24 | lenios | lxde? |
| 05:15.50 | jzhou | plain fvwm? |
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| 05:18.27 | scientes | qlxde looks nice |
| 05:18.33 | scientes | *lxde |
| 05:18.53 | sirob | scientes: you can use kde ;) |
| 05:19.47 | jzhou | sirob: he's talking about a lightweight desktop, so i would suggest that i stick with the default twm. |
| 05:20.03 | Supaplex | <3's openbox |
| 05:20.28 | r1d3r | sirob: right, but 3.5 not 4 |
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| 05:21.05 | sirob | jzhou: my desktop with kde 3.5.10 and kopete, irssi, konsole occupies ~100MB ram |
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| 05:21.30 | scientes | id like something for someone not good at all at computers |
| 05:21.38 | scientes | lxde looks good at that |
| 05:21.52 | scientes | i wish i could install gnome but it will probably be too much |
| 05:21.53 | sirob | scientes: yup :) |
| 05:21.55 | jzhou | sirob: with twm u get even less :) |
| 05:22.14 | sirob | scientes: you can try install xfce |
| 05:22.25 | sirob | jzhou: come on, ctwm |
| 05:22.30 | r1d3r | scientes: xfce is user-friendly, and also light weight |
| 05:22.30 | scientes | personally i never liked xfce |
| 05:22.38 | jzhou | sirob: finally i give up |
| 05:23.52 | scientes | maybe gnome/openbox? |
| 05:24.01 | scientes | of does gnome just use too much ram |
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| 05:25.36 | xxiao | forgiving my ignorance, is lenny release on this lovely day right after a black Friday? |
| 05:26.04 | teratoma | how do i compile an ethernet device driver directly into a kernel |
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| 05:28.04 | Wyzard | teratoma: Set it to * rather than M in menuconfig, just like anything else |
| 05:28.25 | scientes | teratoma, when you have your source tree you do make menuconfig and then find it with "/" or by browsing |
| 05:29.37 | Wyzard | wonders why teratoma wants to do that |
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| 05:33.46 | teratoma | Wyzard: i need to compile a custom kernel to use with FAI to netboot a Dell with lenny and a broadcom NIC |
| 05:34.36 | Wyzard | You can't use an initrd with that? |
| 05:37.21 | teratoma | Wyzard: im not sure what that means |
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| 05:39.02 | Wyzard | Typically drivers are built as modules and put into an initrd which gets loaded together with the kernel |
| 05:39.30 | Wyzard | That way the kernel can have a large set of drivers available, but only load the ones that are actually needed for the system it's running on |
| 05:39.48 | Wyzard | as opposed to having things compiled in statically, where they take up RAM regardless of whether they're needed or not |
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| 05:41.25 | teratoma | i have initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64 , how do i get the driver i compiled in there ? |
| 05:42.29 | Wyzard | The mkinitramfs program generates initrd files from modules installed in /lib/modules |
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| 05:49.56 | teratoma | how do i get the firmware for my driver in there ? |
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| 05:51.47 | enouf | i knew it |
| 05:51.58 | enouf | binary blobs ftw! |
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| 05:52.39 | enouf | haha @ |
| 05:52.41 | enouf | [11:40:54] <CIA-4> topconfig unset FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL |
| 05:52.41 | enouf | [11:40:54] <CIA-4> FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL is not particularly useful, |
| 05:53.01 | enouf | (that really has nothing to do with your situation though, AFAICT) |
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| 05:58.17 | GhostlyDeath | I'm using lenny and my kernel stops at "ACPI: Setting ELCR to 0200 (from 0cb8)", acpi=off fixes this problem, however it cripples ACPI which wouldn't be good for a laptop. Usually when I remove all power to my laptop then reboot into it, it works (most of the time) |
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| 06:01.38 | teratoma | i managed to the driver into my initrd img , but pxe is still not using it for some reason |
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| 06:05.31 | geophoenix | !lenny stastus |
| 06:05.43 | geophoenix | !lenny status |
| 06:05.43 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress Mirrors now show stable => lenny. |
| 06:06.12 | geophoenix | hmm |
| 06:06.13 | dato | the ISO generation is finishing, then the images will get pushed to the mirrors, and then we'll announce it. |
| 06:06.25 | epsilon | horray |
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| 06:06.35 | geophoenix | is happy |
| 06:06.43 | GhostlyDeath | so lenny is releasing in a few second? |
| 06:06.45 | GhostlyDeath | +s |
| 06:07.04 | stew | GhostlyDeath: no, but in the next couple of hours |
| 06:07.12 | GhostlyDeath | sounds good |
| 06:07.18 | geophoenix | very good |
| 06:07.23 | newsense | i heard the iso's were getting created earlier this morning and im sure it takes a while |
| 06:07.26 | GhostlyDeath | but anyway, I got a problem |
| 06:07.27 | Wyzard | hopefully at least the torrents will be seeded soon |
| 06:07.32 | Wyzard | newsense: They just finished, actually |
| 06:07.55 | GhostlyDeath | I got an Intel Atom N270, I boot the kernel with nosmp |
| 06:08.09 | GhostlyDeath | previously, the kernel booted fine |
| 06:08.26 | GhostlyDeath | but after I reinstalled the system it no longer boots correctly, regardless of the smp option |
| 06:08.45 | teratoma | anyone know how i can figure out where a kernel is looking for a firmware file ? |
| 06:09.13 | nkuttler | teratoma: dmesg? |
| 06:09.26 | teratoma | nkuttler: this is during pxe booting. no dmesg for me |
| 06:10.31 | newsense | Wyzard: you work for debian, just curious, not doubting you at all |
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| 06:10.39 | epsilon | are the packages of lenny on the servers already in stable version? |
| 06:10.47 | Wyzard | newsense: no, I don't |
| 06:11.06 | newsense | dam thought it would be cool, had a few follow up questions if ya did |
| 06:11.15 | dato | newsense: you can try me |
| 06:11.15 | td123 | are there any usb images for lenny? I tried putting the iso on a usb and when it booted, and went through installation, it hiccupped on the mounting cdrom part :P |
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| 06:11.30 | nkuttler | epsilon: there's a stable version of lenny? |
| 06:11.31 | newsense | dato: you do work for debian ? |
| 06:11.31 | epsilon | I mean if I run apt-get dist-upgrade on a lenny system, will I get the 50r0? |
| 06:11.41 | dato | epsilon: yes |
| 06:11.44 | epsilon | ok |
| 06:12.01 | dato | newsense: yes, I'm one of the members of the release team |
| 06:12.06 | td123 | I tried mounting on /media but that didn't work |
| 06:12.08 | nullboy | hey, does anyone know if the standard powerpc dvd will work with a ps3 other OS install? |
| 06:12.12 | d-b | dato: nice work. |
| 06:12.17 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: try other options |
| 06:12.32 | dato | d-b: thanks :-) |
| 06:12.36 | Wyzard | dato: in that case, congratulations on the release :-) |
| 06:12.44 | newsense | dato: first off i'd like to say i love the work you guys do and the distro, secondly,where is the "headquarters" or is there one ? |
| 06:12.50 | dondelelcaro | td123: that usually means that you haven't followed the instructions on how to prepare the usb media |
| 06:12.51 | dato | thank you, Wyzard |
| 06:13.24 | dondelelcaro | td123: specifically, you haven't put the iso in the proper location |
| 06:13.50 | dato | newsense: there is no "physical" heardquarters, of course, since developers live all around the world. for this release, you could say a certain irc channel were our headquarters ;-) |
| 06:14.03 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: with nosmp disabled, it stops at "Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.", acpi=off fixes the boot freezing but this is not an option I can take |
| 06:14.27 | td123 | dondelelcaro: ya, I just put the iso directly onto the usb, it boots fine, but it hiccups during the detecting cd part of the installation |
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| 06:14.58 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: i got all that prior - and nosmp is almost as bad as acpi=off in my book - unless it really isn't an smp capable cpu |
| 06:15.17 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: It has a single core, it's hyperthreaded |
| 06:15.22 | dondelelcaro | td123: you copy the .iso onto the usb filessytem, and it mounts it via a loopback; see the output on the debugging console |
| 06:15.28 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: have you pinpointed what ELCR is yet? |
| 06:15.31 | newsense | dato: thanks, and sorry for the dumb question, always been curious since i started using debian in the potato days |
| 06:15.40 | dato | newsense: heh, no problem |
| 06:15.53 | dato | newsense: you're actually an older user of debian that I am! ;-) |
| 06:16.07 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: other than "European Competition Law Review" or "Edmonton Children's Literature Roundtable", google isn't telling me much |
| 06:16.14 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: HT? ugh - tried acpi=ht ? or various other ones? how about disabling HT in the bios? who's kernel? Debians? |
| 06:16.33 | enouf | suggest you look into the acpi spec lit |
| 06:16.39 | GhostlyDeath | Debian's kernel |
| 06:16.41 | enouf | acpi.sf.net to start |
| 06:17.55 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: haha ... |
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| 06:18.01 | enouf | "Example Code and Data Size:" These are the sizes for the OS-independent acpica.lib produced by the Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 32-bit compiler. The debug version of the code includes the debug output trace mechanism and has a much larger code and data size. |
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| 06:18.30 | enouf | er . .. sorry - /me should get my friggin acronym letters correct |
| 06:18.32 | enouf | :-( |
| 06:19.06 | d-b | dato: so you guys are ready for the post lenny release upload flood right ? |
| 06:19.10 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: you too :-P |
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| 06:19.25 | enouf | ELCR != ECLR ;-) |
| 06:20.02 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: acpi=ht appears to make it work so far |
| 06:20.12 | GhostlyDeath | just need to check if it finds a battery |
| 06:20.27 | dato | d-b: yes indeed |
| 06:20.44 | GhostlyDeath | No |
| 06:22.54 | nullboy | lenny went stable? |
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| 06:23.09 | r1d3r | nullboy: long time ago |
| 06:23.19 | nullboy | how long ago? |
| 06:23.41 | dato | nullboy: the mirrors have now lenny as stable, but it hasn't been officially announced yet |
| 06:23.44 | hoxu | http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2009/02/14/lenny-release.html |
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| 06:23.48 | nullboy | i see |
| 06:24.11 | r1d3r | ~8 hours ago ;) ISO images are almost done! |
| 06:24.12 | apt | okay, r1d3r |
| 06:24.14 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: when testing all these various option check dmesg and /proc/cpuinfo to see if 2 cpus exist |
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| 06:24.28 | d-b | dato: you guys need to awk / grep to alter the site (doesn't look like you have a cms ^^) |
| 06:24.53 | cryingtux | lenny release delayed? |
| 06:24.54 | hoxu | apt, forget 8 hours ago ;) iso images |
| 06:24.54 | apt | i forgot 8 hours ago ;) iso images, hoxu |
| 06:24.54 | dato | d-b: all the updates to the site for Lenny are actually committed |
| 06:24.59 | newsense | dato: testing is pointed to lenny still too correct ? |
| 06:25.00 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: previously when this worked, with nosmp off, it found 2 processors, with it on, it was just 1 |
| 06:25.08 | hoxu | r1d3r, careful now :P |
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| 06:25.39 | dato | d-b: right before the announcement, the site gets rebuilt indicating lenny is now stable, and everything gets updated ;-) |
| 06:25.46 | dato | newsense: no, it points to squeeze already |
| 06:25.53 | r1d3r | hoxu: very! |
| 06:26.02 | dato | newsense: (which is identical to lenny at the moment) |
| 06:26.15 | d-b | wonders who will get 'first' package out for squeese |
| 06:26.30 | d-b | squeeze* |
| 06:26.38 | dato | d-b: I'm foreseeing a lot of them will migrate at the same time today or tomorrow |
| 06:26.47 | dato | takes a look to see how many |
| 06:27.05 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: Port 0x4d0-4d1 are ECLR1 and ECLR2, the "Edge/Level Control Registers" |
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| 06:27.23 | newsense | dato: ok sorry, i always forget how this works, |
| 06:27.32 | dato | np |
| 06:27.43 | enouf | * use ELCR to set PIC-mode trigger type for SCI |
| 06:27.54 | cryingtux | what happened to lenny release? |
| 06:28.02 | enouf | er .. seems the kernel code comments isn't immune from typos either |
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| 06:28.21 | newsense | dato: about two weeks from now squeeze will start to get some packages from sid, is that correct ? |
| 06:28.22 | enouf | i'm on it |
| 06:28.57 | dato | newsense: way earlier |
| 06:29.07 | geophoenix | xD naked bicyclists lol |
| 06:29.13 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: try perhaps acpi_sci=edge option |
| 06:29.32 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: I'll try it |
| 06:29.50 | dato | d-b: more than 3000 packages are waiting to migrate, that I can see, and many of them are ready to do so |
| 06:29.54 | newsense | i'm in no hurry, i just forget how it works everytime a testing release moves to stable |
| 06:29.56 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/arch/x86/kernel/acpi/boot.c#L446 maybe even try 'noapic' only .. |
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| 06:31.00 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: stops at the same place however, ELCR is now set to 0000 |
| 06:31.02 | nsadmin | if you use the codenames (and not stable testing etc) in your sources.list, you stick with the version you have even during/after release |
| 06:31.19 | newsense | yeah ive been tracking testing for years |
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| 06:32.17 | td123 | so there are no official debian usb images then? |
| 06:32.18 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: same results |
| 06:32.42 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: i'd say that url lists the general area you should be focusing on for possible solutions - try and understand what's happening there and work around it through a kernel option, and report a bug |
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| 06:32.53 | Wyzard | hmm... the draft lenny release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#system-changes say that selinux-basics is now priority standard and will be included in a new install, but I just did an install from the lenny netinst and selinux-basics is still priority optional and not installed |
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| 06:33.10 | dato | td123: they'll be published within one hour, I'm expecting |
| 06:33.27 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: ok - check all the various acpi options, not to mention stuff like 'pci=routeirq' that might even be suggested in dmesg somewhere |
| 06:33.38 | enouf | kernel-parameters.txt |
| 06:33.55 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: is that an amd64 install? how about kernel? |
| 06:34.04 | GhostlyDeath | it's i386 |
| 06:34.16 | GhostlyDeath | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 06:34.23 | enouf | ok |
| 06:34.26 | dato | Wyzard: seems like a mistake (or, rather, old information) in the release notes. |
| 06:34.33 | GhostlyDeath | the Atom doesn't do amd64 I believe |
| 06:34.44 | Wyzard | dato: hopefully that's just because it's a draft, and won't say that in the final release notes when they're published |
| 06:34.44 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: i'm curious, is the CPU 64bit though? |
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| 06:34.49 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: No |
| 06:35.00 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: grep flags .,.. oh ok |
| 06:35.21 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: if it was 64-bit, I would have installed a 64-bit OS |
| 06:35.24 | dato | Wyzard: no, the release notes have been frozen for a couple days, and that should be the final version (as shipped in the CDs) |
| 06:35.30 | Wyzard | ah |
| 06:35.31 | Wyzard | oh well |
| 06:35.37 | dato | Wyzard: however, I think the web version will be updated for fixes |
| 06:35.42 | dato | Wyzard: so you may want to submit a bug :-) |
| 06:35.42 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: without 4G+ or RAM, it wouldn't really make sense |
| 06:35.53 | enouf | s/or/of |
| 06:35.56 | dondelelcaro | yeah, they'll be unfrozen; the main reason they were frozen was for translations |
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| 06:36.31 | GhostlyDeath | well, my boot options are "ro nosmp ramdisk_size=128000" |
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| 06:36.53 | stew | Wyzard: there is a release-notes pseudo-package |
| 06:37.12 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: IINM , the only two HT specific kernel options are CONFIG_X86_HT=y and CONFIG_HT_IRQ=y |
| 06:37.14 | newsense | can anyone suggest a url to inofrmation on squeeze |
| 06:37.21 | Wyzard | stew: in the BTS, you mean? |
| 06:37.24 | stew | Wyzard: yeah |
| 06:37.58 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: not that i know that HT is the underlying cause or anything - but i've seen issues with it before on p4s |
| 06:38.38 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: have you been removing the nosmp option when testing the other recent ones we've discussed? |
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| 06:38.59 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: yes, same problem |
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| 06:39.57 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: ok - how are the BIOS options concerning acpi, apic (both I/O and Local), and HT ? |
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| 06:41.01 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: None |
| 06:41.17 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: er ... |
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| 06:41.23 | newsense | seems packages.debian.org is already updated :) |
| 06:41.28 | GhostlyDeath | and pci=routeirq makes it stop at ACPI: Core revision 20080321 |
| 06:41.30 | geophoenix | is there QT creator for linux ? |
| 06:41.51 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: try pci=noacpi (though not much better than acpi=off - it might confine the issue to the pci bus or something) |
| 06:42.55 | GhostlyDeath | that option with nosmp on fails |
| 06:43.01 | GhostlyDeath | now trying with nosmp off |
| 06:43.07 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L155 try the four choices listed there for acpi_sci= |
| 06:43.26 | geophoenix | ^^ |
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| 06:43.56 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: all the noXXXXX options don't have an on/off :-) careful how you word what you're doing :-P |
| 06:43.58 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 06:44.26 | enouf | trying with/without <option> might be clearer ;-) |
| 06:44.30 | CryptoMole | ive got real problems I cannot get lenny installed |
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| 06:45.37 | GhostlyDeath | low fails |
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| 06:45.37 | CryptoMole | it is a nt install and it goes untill it gets to the 809 0f 809 and stops? |
| 06:46.11 | CryptoMole | I tried 3 diffent mirrors and it is the same |
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| 06:48.17 | nsadmin | nt install? |
| 06:48.41 | enouf | wait longer |
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| 06:49.04 | nsadmin | oh net install |
| 06:49.36 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: Whenever I took the battery out and put it back in, it would boot |
| 06:49.39 | GhostlyDeath | most of the time |
| 06:51.06 | commx_ | Hi! I'm experiencing a problem with the openssh-server@debian4.0r7 recently on my virtualbox. whenever I connect with putty to it, sometimes I can't login with the error message "Server's host key didnt match the signature" - I never experienced anytime before. Does somebody know about this problem? |
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| 06:52.39 | dondelelcaro | commx_: presumably the host key you've got stored with putty doesn't match the server's key. Because of the ssh key generation problem, all keys were regenerated. |
| 06:52.54 | enouf | my last comment about wait longer wasn't directed to you GhostlyDeath , jfyi |
| 06:53.13 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: I know |
| 06:53.45 | teratoma | i wonder how this kernel mail fight over taking out the tg3 driver firmware turned out: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-netdev/2008/7/3/2335284/thread |
| 06:54.09 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: I recently upgraded to 2GB, however I doubt that's the cause since it worked fine and the memory all checked out |
| 06:54.42 | commx_ | I never ever used any keys and it always worked on any servers running debian before. I just wonder because sometimes I can log in then, but after a few minutes the connection gets dropped with that error message |
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| 06:55.46 | GhostlyDeath | oh hey what do you know, There is no shutdown option |
| 06:56.14 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: pulling out the battery and putting it back in worked, but it's getting very annoying |
| 06:56.40 | GhostlyDeath | also discovered that it had maybe less than 10%, however it should have been fully charged |
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| 06:57.02 | geophoenix | which channel is about debian development ? |
| 06:57.28 | osFrenchDude | Hi guys. Where shall I put my aliases in order to have them all the time...isn't it supposed to be ~/.bash_aliases ? |
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| 07:00.36 | osFrenchDude | or is it ~/.bashrc..? |
| 07:01.05 | polatov | !lenny status |
| 07:01.06 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress Mirrors now show stable => lenny. |
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| 07:01.39 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: What would complete powerloss have to do with ACPI deciding to work? |
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| 07:03.10 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: strangely, also if I wait long enough before a reboot |
| 07:03.39 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: maybe the previous state wasn't being removed properly |
| 07:03.41 | enouf | some sort of hardware reset mechanism GhostlyDeath .. even RAM discharge |
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| 07:05.01 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: confirming this |
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| 07:06.03 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: waiting 10 seconds works |
| 07:06.58 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: when the kernel froze and such, I did hold down the power button |
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| 07:07.12 | GhostlyDeath | and then started it immediately after |
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| 07:08.00 | enouf | i see |
| 07:08.14 | coniptor | Wyzard and enouf: I booted into my normal kernel which has the grsecurity patch and the same version without and they both give an error with essiv while 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem does not. Any clue what might still need to be compiled in to get LUKS working or do any other kernel modules/code conflict with LUKS? |
| 07:08.44 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: the only time I've had this problem is when I rebooted |
| 07:08.47 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: might want to try #hardware or ##electronics if they have ACPI spec and ATX knowledge |
| 07:08.56 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: this is the EEEPC 900A |
| 07:09.20 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: i have no idea what that is - but i'll take your word for it :-) |
| 07:09.31 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: Netbook, works nice |
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| 07:10.00 | GhostlyDeath | once you wipe Xandros and put in Debian and squashfs /usr (with -no-recovery -nopad -always-use-fragments) |
| 07:10.54 | enouf | coniptor: well .. you could copy over the .config from the -bigmem and build your own - config/tweak it - run diffs on the configs maybe even |
| 07:11.09 | enouf | coniptor: and no, no idea offhand |
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| 07:11.15 | Lagaro | 'ello everyone |
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| 07:12.17 | coniptor | enouf: I thought of that. I ran a diff between the bigmem and my custom config version and there are many framebuffer console pages worth of differences |
| 07:12.35 | enouf | figures |
| 07:12.35 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: well thanks for your help, even though it didn't help =) |
| 07:12.48 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: righto .. |
| 07:13.21 | coniptor | enouf: know if a tool exists to combine kernel configs to import from one config into another without removing/disabling stuff in the config to be imorted into? =/ |
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| 07:13.45 | coniptor | enouf: This is going to get involved. lol =/ |
| 07:13.55 | endeavormac | is there a separate channel for the debianlive project? |
| 07:13.57 | enouf | heh .. sure is |
| 07:14.21 | dondelelcaro | endeavormac: yes |
| 07:14.23 | enouf | endeavormac: /msg dpkg debian-live yes |
| 07:14.30 | endeavormac | ok thanks |
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| 07:15.36 | GhostlyDeath | so uh |
| 07:15.45 | GhostlyDeath | Where to I tune in to see the lenny ball drop? |
| 07:16.00 | enouf | coniptor: i guess i would 1st try taking your custom config and plopping it into a fresh debian 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem src/ and run make oldconfig |
| 07:16.12 | coniptor | enouf: Know if grsecurity and LUKS are mutually exclusive from experience or from others? |
| 07:16.35 | coniptor | enouf: not familiar with make oldconfig what does that do off hand? |
| 07:16.39 | polatov | !lenny status |
| 07:16.40 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress Mirrors now show stable => lenny. |
| 07:16.49 | enouf | coniptor: no i don't, but you did mention how with/without it - both fail - so i doubt it's related - but ... |
| 07:17.38 | enouf | coniptor: get your non-gr kernel config working 1st though - then once successful, add the gr patch stuffs to a new one and try |
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| 07:18.15 | enouf | coniptor: the kernel README will tell you - it presents only NEW options, not yet configured |
| 07:18.29 | GhostlyDeath | So now that the mirrors are stable |
| 07:18.30 | coniptor | enouf: good advice. ty for your help. I'll check the README. |
| 07:18.31 | GhostlyDeath | upgrading time! |
| 07:19.02 | enouf | coniptor: but - hopefully you don't try jumping versions in leaps and bounds - like from 2.6.8 -> 2.6.26 |
| 07:22.35 | coniptor | The working one with LUKS is debian version 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem and the custom version I compiled was 2.6.26. |
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| 07:23.03 | enouf | coniptor: er ... |
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| 07:23.26 | newsense | grub2 standard in debian now ? |
| 07:23.56 | enouf | right .. ok .. yeah - carry on - there;s a lot different, but for a moment, i thought you were trying to go backwards |
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| 07:24.21 | enouf | newsense: it's an option |
| 07:24.41 | coniptor | enouf: nope forward a few revisions |
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| 07:25.17 | enouf | newsense: and so is grub1 and LiLo as well - grub1 won't be available if you choose LVM, unless you make a separate /boot off of LVM, IINM - and i'm sure there are other caveats |
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| 07:29.40 | coniptor | enouf: looking for a shortcut, I'm not the only one with this issue apparently: |
| 07:29.40 | coniptor | http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12472 |
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| 07:31.39 | enouf | coniptor: have you tried a debian .26-686{-bigmem} ? |
| 07:32.08 | enouf | coniptor: are you even using Etch? a mix? etch-backports? lenny? |
| 07:32.46 | coniptor | enouf: no I have not. I have not checked in aptitude for any updated kernels. I'll try that as a troubleshooting measure as well. I also have dazuko in both the custom kernels I mentioned. |
| 07:33.23 | coniptor | enouf: I'm using etch with the most recent errata/security updates. I have the etc backports repository in my sources.list but have apt.conf configured with etch as my distro |
| 07:33.50 | coniptor | etch backports, cheap belkin keyboard |
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| 07:34.13 | enouf | coniptor: i have no idea waht dakpsu is , i don't know if you're using initrd's with your custom kernels, and i have no idea which software versions you have installed, nor from where |
| 07:34.28 | enouf | oh |
| 07:34.33 | coniptor | dazuko it's a kernel bridge for virus scanners. |
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| 07:35.12 | coniptor | for my amavid clam virus scanning with postfix and avg and other free commercial virus scanners to sanitize my email |
| 07:35.17 | enouf | coniptor: etch-backports certainly has a .26 , not sure if they have a -bigmem |
| 07:35.42 | coniptor | enouf: I have my MB maxed at 8Gig I need bigmem in that case don't I? |
| 07:35.54 | coniptor | This is my home server. |
| 07:36.02 | enouf | coniptor: yes, or an amd64 kernel |
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| 07:36.48 | coniptor | oh, didn't know amd64 kernels covered that. It's a Intel Dual Core motherboard non-Itanium variety so that kernel should work then. |
| 07:36.58 | enouf | right |
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| 07:37.46 | coniptor | enouf: ty, I'll pull that down and try it out. I can at least verify that kernel revision works with LUKS or not and might have less to compare between configs then. ty =) |
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| 07:38.06 | enouf | coniptor: bingo ;-) |
| 07:38.26 | enouf | coniptor: also ... if a debian .26 works, start with that config |
| 07:38.44 | enouf | (as opposed to an .18 one) |
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| 07:39.02 | coniptor | enouf: will do thanks again. =) |
| 07:39.11 | enouf | since you're working on a custom .26 |
| 07:39.14 | enouf | ok |
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| 07:39.48 | coniptor | right |
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| 07:41.24 | Rug | Howdy all, on a bare-bones install (no desktop) is there any auto-mounting software installed? |
| 07:41.46 | sirob | Rug: nope |
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| 07:42.25 | sirob | !dpkg lenny status |
| 07:42.25 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress Mirrors now show stable => lenny. |
| 07:42.31 | Rug | does gnome-volume-manager still work? (or is it crippled like Ubuntu did?) |
| 07:42.34 | sirob | lets get some sleep |
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| 07:42.46 | dato | sirob: then it'll be released when you wake up |
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| 07:42.55 | dato | sirob: enjoy! |
| 07:43.28 | sirob | dato: you said that you are a dd ? |
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| 07:43.36 | dato | yeah |
| 07:43.44 | sirob | dato: do you know paravoid ? |
| 07:43.49 | dato | yeah |
| 07:43.52 | sirob | nice |
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| 07:46.09 | scientes | will lenny move to firefox 3.1 when it comes out? |
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| 07:46.30 | GhostlyDeath | scientes: Doubt uit |
| 07:46.31 | GhostlyDeath | -u |
| 07:46.35 | scientes | as it is a minor version |
| 07:46.40 | stew | scientes: not likely |
| 07:46.41 | GhostlyDeath | Lenny is like a cave man in a block of ice |
| 07:47.03 | kr1s | GhostlyDeath: Why? |
| 07:47.06 | sirob | scientes: o come on, use testing for desktop |
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| 07:47.13 | scientes | i am |
| 07:47.19 | scientes | but was just wondering |
| 07:47.23 | GhostlyDeath | well lenny just turned into stable |
| 07:47.26 | stew | scientes: the only reason that would happen would be if there was a security fix in it that was difficult to port to the version in lenny |
| 07:47.39 | scientes | aha |
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| 07:48.25 | scientes | tracemonkey will make it much faster |
| 07:48.32 | GhostlyDeath | I've heard people say that Firefox 3 crashes alot for them |
| 07:48.50 | scientes | thats caused by add ons |
| 07:48.52 | scientes | but yes |
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| 07:51.00 | soopy | Is it safe to move to lenny from etch now or will there be any changes until it's official ? |
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| 07:52.12 | dondelelcaro | soopy: you may want to wait until the actual announcement, but there won't be any changes from now until it releases. |
| 07:52.59 | s3a | GhostlyDeath, firefox 3 crashes frequently on ubuntu 8.10 but on lenny i havent seen iceweasel crash since pretty recent updates |
| 07:53.22 | scientes | s3a, its usually add ons |
| 07:53.34 | scientes | s3a, ubuntu adds their add on that should be removed |
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| 07:54.12 | GhostlyDeath | s3a: if it crashes on lenny, it's not our problem is it |
| 07:54.14 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 07:54.16 | GhostlyDeath | ubuntu* |
| 07:54.46 | soopy | Ok one more, today since on mirrors lenny is marked as stable with apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade I get a ton of packages to be upgraded. Before I upgrade should I "s/etch/lenny/" in my sources.list ? |
| 07:54.48 | s3a | GhostlyDeath, no it isn't really but i just backed up ur statement with wat im experiencing on ubuntu |
| 07:54.54 | GhostlyDeath | I MUST SACRIFICE SOMEONE TO THE DEBIAN GODS! |
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| 07:55.05 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: Steve Jobs? |
| 07:55.09 | dondelelcaro | soopy: see the release notes; they explain precisely what you have to do |
| 07:55.11 | scientes | lol |
| 07:55.11 | GhostlyDeath | YES! |
| 07:56.00 | soopy | dondelelcaro, oops missed that spot :) thnx |
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| 07:58.08 | coniptor | enouf: 2.6.26-bpo apparently conflicts with yaird? |
| 07:58.29 | enouf | coniptor: omg, why on earth? |
| 07:58.48 | coniptor | enouf: I wouldn't know but that is what aptitude is telling me. |
| 07:58.51 | enouf | coniptor: what's wrong with initramfs? |
| 07:59.23 | geophoenix | drinks coffe |
| 07:59.46 | coniptor | enouf: nothing that I'm aware of. I have not delved too deeply into ramdisks as yet. initramfs works as well or better as initramfs? |
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| 08:00.17 | enouf | ... |
| 08:00.25 | coniptor | heh |
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| 08:00.52 | enouf | coniptor: yaird, though it might still be viable, it's slowly fading and i would tell most to only use it if you have some special need |
| 08:01.05 | coniptor | ok, obviously I meant to yaird in place of the second initramfs mention |
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| 08:01.13 | enouf | i know ;-) |
| 08:01.18 | coniptor | =) |
| 08:01.50 | coniptor | durn belkin keyboard. these keys only work when they want to. |
| 08:02.19 | coniptor | I'll move over to initramfs then. I'm not used to one or the other as yet anyway. |
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| 08:10.28 | stew | dpkg: lenny status =~ s,ISO generation in progress,CD images are built and being pushed to mirrors, |
| 08:10.29 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 08:10.40 | karsten | What's after lenny? |
| 08:10.41 | dato | thanks, stew |
| 08:10.46 | stew | karsten: squeeze |
| 08:11.11 | karsten | stew: Will you shoot me if I ask WWSBR? ;-) |
| 08:11.37 | stew | karsten: wir, siyh, !rsn :) |
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| 08:12.03 | karsten | stew: very good. |
| 08:12.40 | karsten | wonders how many more toy story characters are left... |
| 08:12.55 | duraperidol | lol |
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| 08:13.56 | Supaplex | !mmorpg remaining toy story charaters |
| 08:13.56 | dpkg | fires off a few Massively Mobile Offensive Rocket Propelled Grenades at remaining toy story charaters for a total of 813 damage! |
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| 08:14.05 | Supaplex | karsten: none now... ;) |
| 08:14.32 | karsten | Supaplex: Really? I never saw the flix, not sure who all's in 'em. |
| 08:15.07 | Supaplex | I was kidding. eg, as if the RPGs blew them up. |
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| 08:16.51 | SerajewelKS | i'm pushing for rex |
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| 08:17.50 | SerajewelKS | i wonder if RC will be confusing come freeze |
| 08:18.00 | SerajewelKS | gotta get all the rc bugs out! |
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| 08:19.03 | newsense | funny, i was just thinking to myself earlier, i would like to get little toystory character toys for my computer room |
| 08:19.37 | newsense | was going to only display the ones debian has used for names though and display more as needed |
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| 08:21.06 | pabs3 | SerajewelKS: we use rc-buggy as an alias for experimental already: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 08:21.52 | SerajewelKS | pabs3: nice, i guess it managed to confuse me |
| 08:22.01 | SerajewelKS | guess that's what you call irony |
| 08:22.30 | pabs3 | :) |
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| 08:26.00 | openit | hi |
| 08:26.12 | openit | i wanted to know how the kde integration is in debian lenny |
| 08:26.40 | openit | have gtk applications have a nice appereance? |
| 08:26.42 | geophoenix | openit:try backports |
| 08:27.11 | geophoenix | openit: http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 08:27.11 | openit | uh? |
| 08:27.24 | openit | i want kde3 ;) |
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| 08:28.44 | ferret_0567 | sweet, suspend works on my Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop if I add SUSPEND_MODULES="b44" to /etc/pm/config.d/unload_modules! |
| 08:28.56 | geophoenix | try download debian with kde |
| 08:29.34 | openit | i wanted to use testing |
| 08:29.45 | openit | to you think they will put kde4 the next weeks? |
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| 08:31.07 | pabs3 | yes, or you can get it from experimental already |
| 08:31.32 | openit | hmm so there is no way for the future to use testing + kde3? |
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| 08:31.56 | pabs3 | kde3 will be removed from debian for squeeze IIRC |
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| 08:33.02 | openit | hmm, what does this mean when i use testing now? |
| 08:33.57 | pabs3 | you'll probably be using kde4 soon :) |
| 08:34.08 | openit | ah ok |
| 08:34.11 | JyZyXEL | so hows people doing with the upgrades? |
| 08:34.31 | openit | btw, is gnome better supported /integrated than kde? |
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| 08:35.32 | openit | msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 08:35.58 | GhostlyDeath | ouch my CPU is at 203F |
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| 08:36.06 | ferret_0567 | GhostlyDeath: dang |
| 08:36.13 | ferret_0567 | GhostlyDeath: put a nice heatsink on that thing! |
| 08:36.27 | ferret_0567 | GhostlyDeath: then maybe a fan on top of the heatsink! |
| 08:36.34 | GhostlyDeath | No room for a fan |
| 08:36.37 | GhostlyDeath | and the fan I have in it is dead |
| 08:36.45 | ferret_0567 | GhostlyDeath: then shut your computer down |
| 08:36.46 | pabs3 | and dump the box in liquid nitrogen |
| 08:36.48 | GhostlyDeath | something decided to run at 100% cpu power |
| 08:37.08 | ferret_0567 | GhostlyDeath: after that, install a heatsink and boot |
| 08:37.18 | ferret_0567 | GhostlyDeath: that should fix your high temp problem |
| 08:37.20 | GhostlyDeath | it's passively cooled through the keyboard plate |
| 08:37.45 | ferret_0567 | GhostlyDeath: I bet you a heatsink will perform much better |
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| 08:38.00 | GhostlyDeath | How big are these heatsinks? |
| 08:38.09 | ferret_0567 | GhostlyDeath: I have no idea |
| 08:38.16 | ferret_0567 | GhostlyDeath: look around for one small enough to fit |
| 08:38.27 | ferret_0567 | !hibernate |
| 08:38.33 | GhostlyDeath | I doubt 1/12 inch heat sinks would do much |
| 08:38.43 | x1250 | If i want to install a library in /usr/local, the standard way is to ./configure --prefix=/usr/local ? |
| 08:39.45 | ferret_0567 | x1250: yes, but the best way is to make a debian package for it |
| 08:39.57 | ferret_0567 | how do I get hibernation to work? |
| 08:40.21 | x1250 | ferret_0567, sure but I'm on a hurry |
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| 08:41.37 | openit | btw, is gnome better supported /integrated than kde? |
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| 08:43.23 | stew | openit: no they should be have good support/integration |
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| 08:43.30 | akkark1 | openit: you're about to start holywar by asking that |
| 08:43.47 | openit | nono, i do not want that :) |
| 08:43.54 | akkark1 | ) |
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| 08:44.14 | openit | it is just i noticed in other distribution a good kde integration but gnome wasn't that good and the other way... |
| 08:44.15 | geophoenix | picks up his sword |
| 08:44.25 | tanlaan | Hello everyone |
| 08:44.43 | tanlaan | So I've got an idea for a GUI implementation I would like to jimmy rig |
| 08:46.13 | newsense | haha, havent heard the term "jimmy rig" in a while |
| 08:46.14 | tanlaan | I can't figure out how I would do it, but I would like a full screen command line similar to a tty, but have some sort of window manager running that would be able to spawn graphical applications ontop of it. |
| 08:46.43 | newsense | tanlaan: there are console graphical apps |
| 08:47.13 | newsense | links2 mplayer vlc |
| 08:47.17 | newsense | just to name a few |
| 08:47.28 | tanlaan | newsense: Well what I mean is that I like the look and feel of having a fullscreen easy to read command line, similar to the tty. But I want to be able to run say firefox from it. So there needs to be a window manager atop it |
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| 08:47.58 | newsense | tanlaan: never heard of such a thing personally, not saying it doesnt exist |
| 08:47.59 | pabs3 | tanlaan: press F11 in gnome-terminal |
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| 08:48.07 | newsense | haha |
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| 08:48.07 | tanlaan | Sort of like using a command line as my desktop |
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| 08:48.30 | tanlaan | pabs3: lol, what I'm looking for is a little more complex than that. |
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| 08:48.36 | lxsameer | how can i control the speed of my cpu fan and my cpu critical temperature? |
| 08:48.45 | newsense | pabs3: im guessing f11 is the fullscreen key ? |
| 08:48.58 | pabs3 | yep |
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| 08:49.37 | pabs3 | tanlaan: tiling window manager perhaps? your idea isn't all that clear to me yet |
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| 08:50.09 | newsense | i kow most apps that do "graphical" in a console use libsvga |
| 08:50.11 | akkark1 | tanlaan: you have to switch between windows anyway so I cant see the defference between running usual teminal in fullscreen |
| 08:50.14 | openit | is testing good for a desktop pc? are there also security patches? |
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| 08:51.04 | pabs3 | openit: squeeze will not have security support for a while after the lenny release |
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| 08:51.30 | tanlaan | pabs3: Well I like the whole tty screen look and feel. Having a full screen command line. But if you try to run a graphical program from within it, it can't open it (obviously). I want to be able to. |
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| 08:51.56 | openit | ah |
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| 08:52.03 | tanlaan | pabs3: And with the switching between windows, I'd like to have the command line as my sort of 'desktop' so it would always be up and ready |
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| 08:52.34 | tanlaan | it's kinda odd I know, but I just seem to like the idea |
| 08:52.35 | akkark1 | ctrl+alt+f1...f7? |
| 08:52.49 | tanlaan | yea, a tty screen |
| 08:53.13 | tanlaan | but you can't run graphical applications from a tty screen |
| 08:53.23 | pabs3 | tanlaan: so, a 'console' theme for gnome-terminal/xterm/konsole/etc on your desktop instead of wallpaper? |
| 08:53.46 | tanlaan | pabs3: That would be a similar approach to what I want |
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| 08:54.07 | openit | yakuake |
| 08:54.26 | pabs3 | don't think that is currently possible, but it'd probably not be too hard to hack up with libvte or something |
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| 08:55.46 | tanlaan | pabs3: Well thank you for that lead, I'll look into it |
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| 09:03.56 | geophoenix | !lenny status |
| 09:03.56 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. CD images are built and being pushed to mirrors Mirrors now show stable => lenny. |
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| 09:07.39 | akkark1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 09:07.53 | akkark1 | grats, 5.0.0 |
| 09:07.57 | lhgergo | hi |
| 09:08.01 | lhgergo | is it the stable lenny? |
| 09:08.05 | akkark1 | yep |
| 09:08.16 | lhgergo | hurra! :-) |
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| 09:09.31 | geophoenix | released ? |
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| 09:10.26 | geophoenix | http://www.debian.org/CD/ Latest official release of the "stable" CD images: 4.0 rev7. |
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| 09:10.32 | pabs3 | #debian-devel topic says Lenny release: in progress (pushing CD images to mirrors) |
| 09:10.38 | {Aet}Pierluca | hi |
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| 09:11.20 | pabs3 | geophoenix: yeah, announcements and website updates not sent out yet |
| 09:11.31 | geophoenix | 0.0 |
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| 09:11.52 | [reed] | can somebody pastebin the /usr/share/python/debian_defaults from lenny? |
| 09:12.20 | dato | [reed]: http://dpaste.com/120766/ |
| 09:12.29 | [reed] | thx |
| 09:12.33 | pabs3 | geophoenix: after everything is done, it will look like http://www.debian.net/CD/ |
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| 09:12.58 | boodi1 | Hey: aptitude gave me error messages: "Dynamic MMap ran out of room", "errors in analysing texlive-lang-tibetan", problem with mergelist /var/lib/apt.../, "impossible analysis of the packet list or the status file" ... could it have to do with the repositories, or is it mor likely to be my local problem? |
| 09:13.16 | geophoenix | torrent ? |
| 09:13.53 | akkark1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 09:14.00 | dato | geophoenix: there are links to iso images via torrents in the URL pabs3 gave you |
| 09:14.08 | [reed] | boodi1: check upgrade release notes... I know dynamic mmap is listed there |
| 09:14.20 | stew | boodi1: /msg dpkg mmap |
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| 09:15.24 | [reed] | {Aet}Pierluca is spamming users |
| 09:15.29 | [reed] | in PM |
| 09:15.45 | [reed] | appreciate it if somebody would ban him/her... I can post a lot privately if wanted |
| 09:15.56 | akkark1 | confirm |
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| 09:16.17 | [reed] | s/lot/log/ |
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| 09:17.19 | geophoenix | i hope the servers don't crush |
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| 09:17.44 | mhymn | congrats everyone! lenny is here after all :) |
| 09:18.18 | akkark1 | thanx!) |
| 09:18.23 | lhgergo | I'm glad to see that lenny is here :) |
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| 09:18.50 | lhgergo | I was a bit frigtened when i saw that the stable on debian.org is still 4.0 |
| 09:18.54 | lhgergo | :) |
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| 09:20.26 | khaije1 | did it just happen? |
| 09:20.47 | dato | a release takes a lot of hours to push out |
| 09:20.54 | dato | so some bits leak before it is announced |
| 09:21.01 | khaije1 | oic |
| 09:21.06 | dato | you can't announce at the same time you push to mirrors |
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| 09:21.18 | geophoenix | 100kb/s download with torrent |
| 09:21.21 | geophoenix | nice |
| 09:21.21 | dato | because then people will see the announcement, but their mirror won't be up to date |
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| 09:21.43 | dato | but of course, if you push before the announcement, some people will see lenny before it is announced :-) |
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| 09:22.27 | [reed] | dato: yeah, as a Mozilla sysadmin, I know that to be all too true :/ |
| 09:23.11 | maligor | so they really did get 5.0 out? |
| 09:23.23 | stew | maligor: still working on it, but were almost there |
| 09:23.36 | maligor | oh, ok, I was wondering what those 500 images were then |
| 09:23.41 | dato | [reed]: except our CD images take 1 TB :P |
| 09:24.09 | internat1 | yeah.. would take a while to mirror all that |
| 09:24.11 | dato | (though luckily we don't push that size over the network: just the jidgo files, and the mirrors know how to re-create them; that rocks) |
| 09:24.21 | geophoenix | is very happy |
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| 09:24.29 | internat1 | jidgo? |
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| 09:24.35 | maligor | personally just wants to see new dangerous software appearing in sid ;) |
| 09:24.36 | internat1 | !jidgo |
| 09:24.37 | dpkg | i heard jidgo is spelled correctly jigdo |
| 09:24.44 | internat1 | !jigdo |
| 09:24.45 | dpkg | hmm... jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 09:24.58 | ferret_0567 | then why when I use the "stable" release in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get seems to be downloading stuff when I just updated it 3 secs before I changed it to stable? |
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| 09:25.15 | dato | maligor: *g* |
| 09:25.19 | pabs3 | what is BD? |
| 09:25.22 | Supaplex | ferret_0567: because you should be tracking the release |
| 09:25.25 | Supaplex | pabs3: blueray |
| 09:25.26 | stew | maligor: there's about 1gb queued up to go in later today :) |
| 09:25.35 | maligor | aargh |
| 09:25.39 | dato | pabs3: blue-ray disk |
| 09:26.12 | Supaplex | !party |
| 09:26.12 | dpkg | i heard party is Lego, and alcohol |
| 09:26.18 | Supaplex | o.O |
| 09:26.32 | pabs3 | would prefer 25GB microSD to blueray |
| 09:26.44 | Supaplex | ditto |
| 09:26.46 | ferret_0567 | Lego is party? |
| 09:26.48 | ferret_0567 | WTF? |
| 09:27.03 | khaije1 | hi |
| 09:27.04 | Supaplex | where's the $20 1tb microsd already? |
| 09:27.13 | ferret_0567 | you mean, like, Lego building blocks? |
| 09:27.27 | ferret_0567 | Supaplex: so now lenny -> stable? |
| 09:27.30 | khaije1 | if i want to rebase my system from lenny to squeeze how do i do that? |
| 09:27.43 | khaije1 | is there a dist-upgrade equivalent? |
| 09:27.50 | Supaplex | ferret_0567: mirrors are updating as we speak |
| 09:27.51 | stew | khaije1: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change lenny to squeeze |
| 09:28.10 | ferret_0567 | Supaplex: ok but yes or very soon? |
| 09:28.11 | stew | khaije1: lenny and squeeze are currently identical |
| 09:28.24 | boodi1 | Hi: I managed, thanks to dpkg, to work around aptitude, but the updating of the packages gives me errors on gnumeric, and the solver suggests to remove gnome, audacity, avahi, perl5.8, php5, vlc, snort, xterm (and all it's libraries) ... looks strange |
| 09:28.33 | khaije1 | do i need to do anything with the /etc/debian-release file or other potential miscellania |
| 09:28.33 | Supaplex | ferret_0567: it's not really atomic, so yes I guess. |
| 09:28.46 | stew | khaije1: nope |
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| 09:29.04 | ferret_0567 | ok, I have no updates available :D |
| 09:29.06 | stew | boodi1: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 09:29.11 | pabs3 | gets bitten by not being able to pin codenames |
| 09:29.27 | khaije1 | hmm interesting, so that file should really be called /etc/debian-initial-release heheheh |
| 09:29.48 | stew | khaije1: no, it will get updated when you get a new version of base_files |
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| 09:30.20 | geophoenix | is so happy :') |
| 09:30.26 | d-b | tis out ? |
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| 09:30.50 | d-b | did we get an announcement ? |
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| 09:31.08 | stew | d-b: no, its not officially out yet |
| 09:31.27 | mhymn | d-b: i saw the first page a while ago though :P |
| 09:31.40 | ferret_0567 | how do I get hibernation to work? |
| 09:31.58 | Supaplex | you pay it a salary |
| 09:32.10 | Supaplex | or apt-file search bin/s2disk |
| 09:32.11 | mhymn | hehe |
| 09:32.16 | ferret_0567 | hahah, very funny |
| 09:32.18 | boodi1 | I used aptitude - the graphical interface - dpkg suggested to insert the following line into /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . The file didn't exist, so I added it. No change. It also suggested to get rid of this error by deleting unused entries from sources.list ... it worked, but gave me dependency problems on gnumeric, and then, domino-effect, on orther packages. |
| 09:32.47 | Supaplex | boodi1: how many enteries are you tracking? |
| 09:33.04 | nkuttler | ferret_0567: uswsusp works fine for me |
| 09:33.17 | r1d3r | Hi guys, what is the difference between lenny and main in the sources.list file? I hear people say i should put lenny instead of main! |
| 09:33.26 | r1d3r | Arent they the same? |
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| 09:33.38 | nkuttler | r1d3r: no, don't touch main |
| 09:33.40 | khaije1 | stew: oh ok, i misunderstood you. i've currently got lenny as the base with sid and experimental incrimentally pinned... so in my case to go from lenny to squeeze i would remove (or pin to <1) the lenny.aptsource.list and do a dist-upgrade |
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| 09:34.02 | Supaplex | wahou it's permasunday^3 |
| 09:34.22 | Supaplex | gets out of here before he looses any more of his mind |
| 09:34.22 | ferret_0567 | well, I'll just suspend this laptop and head off to bed |
| 09:34.25 | r1d3r | nkuttler: What is the difference? |
| 09:34.30 | nkuttler | r1d3r: man sources.list |
| 09:34.34 | stew | boodi1: can you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 09:34.36 | ferret_0567 | Supaplex: permasunday? |
| 09:34.42 | Supaplex | !permasunday |
| 09:34.42 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 09:35.02 | ferret_0567 | lol |
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| 09:36.09 | boodi1 | Here's my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/28382/ |
| 09:36.59 | r1d3r | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 09:38.03 | boodi1 | Hmmm - Now I'm looking at it, I might better get rid of deb-src (I don't use it after all) |
| 09:38.13 | khaije1 | stew: this almost seems too easy... |
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| 09:39.28 | stew | khaije1: well, youd expect it to be easy, since lenny and squeeze are currently identical |
| 09:39.58 | stew | boodi1: are you trying to upgrade from etch to lenny? you should not use "stable" in sources.list. you should use a codename like 'etch' or 'lenny' |
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| 09:40.27 | khaije1 | stew: when lenny became stable didn't sid become testing aka squeeze? |
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| 09:41.01 | pabs3 | nope |
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| 09:41.14 | stew | khaije1: no, sid is always unstable. squeeze was created as an exact copy of lenny which will soon receive updates from sid |
| 09:41.15 | khaije1 | damn you debian !!!! |
| 09:41.19 | khaije1 | shakes fist |
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| 09:42.14 | khaije1 | so then in a practical sense squeeze doesn't exist yet? |
| 09:42.18 | stew | lenny status =~ s/CD images are built and being pushed to mirrors/debian.org website is being rebuilt/ |
| 09:42.26 | stew | khaije1: squeeze exists |
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| 09:42.34 | stew | !lenny status =~ s/CD images are built and being pushed to mirrors/debian.org website is being rebuilt/ |
| 09:42.34 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 09:43.17 | boodi1 | stew: tried to substitute stable with etch in sources.list - it doesn't find anything |
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| 09:43.29 | khaije1 | etch is now oldstable |
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| 09:43.37 | cousin_luigi | good to hear that! |
| 09:43.39 | cousin_luigi | :) |
| 09:44.14 | stew | boodi1: can you show me the error? |
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| 09:45.37 | boodi1 | No, I'm using the graphical interface ... it says "impossible to check the package list for http:// ..." etc |
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| 09:46.37 | boodi1 | Does anybody have a 'sources.list' for etch that works? |
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| 09:49.20 | stew | boodi1: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 09:49.26 | boodi1 | stew: I used the command line and it worked |
| 09:49.44 | khaije1 | ok correct me where i get this wrong... on a release this what happens 1) etch/stable is renamed to etch/oldstable, and lenny/testing is renamed to lenny/stable |
| 09:49.59 | boodi1 | with etch, instead of stable ... obviously something is going on in the 'stable' repositiories |
| 09:50.22 | khaije1 | then 2) lenny/testing/stable merges with sid to becoming the new squeeze/testing |
| 09:50.27 | stew | boodi1: stable is just a symlink to etch |
| 09:50.27 | khaije1 | correct? |
| 09:50.35 | Seldaek | boodi1: http://pastie.org/389637 |
| 09:50.42 | stew | khaije1: there is no 'merge with sid' |
| 09:50.56 | stew | khaije1: lenny is copied to squeeze and becomes the new testing |
| 09:50.56 | geophoenix | is so so so happy |
| 09:51.14 | dato | khaije1: to initialize squeeze, an exact copy of lenny is made |
| 09:52.16 | scientes | no_maam, stable is a symlink to lenny |
| 09:52.20 | khaije1 | it seems really odd to have testing and stable be identical under any rolling release regimen... |
| 09:52.28 | stew | right |
| 09:52.38 | scientes | not etch |
| 09:52.47 | pabs3 | w00t http://www.debian.org/ |
| 09:52.54 | scientes | it changed???!?!?!?!! |
| 09:53.03 | scientes | sweet |
| 09:53.03 | cousin_luigi | what are the different DVD images for? |
| 09:53.05 | boodi1 | YES |
| 09:53.08 | geophoenix | o.o debian.org updated |
| 09:53.24 | Tapout | bingo |
| 09:54.11 | stew | cousin_luigi: DVD1 is the installer and a lot of packages. DVD2,DVD3,etc are dvds full of more packages. you'd generally only need the other dvds if you were installing packages onto a machine that coulnd't fetch them from the network |
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| 09:54.19 | Remmy | Congratulations all, and thanks for the hard work :) |
| 09:54.25 | cousin_luigi | stew: ok |
| 09:54.41 | cousin_luigi | stew: so DVD1 will suffice for most? |
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| 09:55.01 | seria-mau | hi |
| 09:55.10 | khaije1 | so how is the squeeze ultimately branched from lenny? |
| 09:55.41 | internat1 | ./branch.sh i imagine ;) |
| 09:55.44 | boodi1 | ok, bye 4 now |
| 09:55.46 | stew | khaije1: hopefully later today we start allowing packages to migrate from unstable to testing again |
| 09:56.04 | stew | cousin_luigi: yes, or just a cd |
| 09:56.05 | boodi1 | thanks for help: I'll install lenny some time this evening |
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| 09:56.30 | seria-mau | what are the different live-cd images for? i can't think of a possible difference between standard, rescue and gnome since gnome is debian's standard desktop environment (which should make standard and gnome similar) or standard as shell only which should make standard and rescue similar. |
| 09:56.56 | seria-mau | or has the rescue live-cd x? |
| 09:57.08 | khaije1 | stew: iirc this happens automatically when a package has been in sid for 10-days it is pushed to testing. is that right? |
| 09:57.18 | seria-mau | can i install from all 3 of them to harddisk? |
| 09:57.22 | simplechat | hey, when you ask dpkg for etch->lenny why does it ask you to aptitude install aptitude |
| 09:57.29 | khaije1 | (or am i confusing it with experimental...) |
| 09:57.31 | simplechat | if you don't have aptitude, how are you going to use it to install aptitude? |
| 09:57.38 | Tapout | simplechat, newer aptitude? |
| 09:57.46 | simplechat | sure |
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| 09:57.48 | simplechat | but still, wtf |
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| 09:57.52 | simplechat | shouldn't it just be updated? |
| 09:57.53 | Tapout | you aptitude update, and then install the newer version |
| 09:58.00 | Tapout | i hope not |
| 09:58.06 | stew | khaije1: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/pkgs.html#testing-unstable |
| 09:58.07 | Tapout | i don't want my aptitude updating whenever it feels like it |
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| 09:58.41 | man_in_shack | congratulates everyone on the release |
| 09:58.48 | unanxbt | I have ktorrent as well as transmission but i noticed that i am getting more dowload speed with transmission, why it is so? |
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| 09:59.04 | simplechat | Tapout, isn't it just a package? |
| 09:59.15 | rohan | lenny is released right? the website debian.org is updated :D |
| 09:59.38 | rohan | but the topic here isn't :o |
| 09:59.41 | stew | rohan: not yet |
| 09:59.55 | rohan | stew: debian.org page says latest is 5.0 |
| 09:59.56 | stew | rohan: the announcement should go out very shortly though |
| 10:00.07 | man_in_shack | http://debian.org/News/2009/20090214 << it's been announced |
| 10:00.11 | rohan | http://debian.org/releases/stable/ also mentions lenny |
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| 10:00.16 | stew | rohan: yes, the web site regeneration is either done or close to do |
| 10:00.18 | stew | done* |
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| 10:00.25 | Vincent0ne- | hey rohan |
| 10:00.38 | pabs3 | the mails need to go out though |
| 10:00.41 | rohan | hi Vincent0ne- :D long time |
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| 10:00.44 | Vincent0ne- | hows u been |
| 10:00.49 | rohan | why not update the topic here? |
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| 10:01.00 | stew | rohan: the topic is still accurate |
| 10:01.02 | rohan | Vincent0ne-: i'm great! what about you? you using debian now? |
| 10:01.06 | Vincent0ne- | yea |
| 10:01.09 | stew | rohan: the release isn't done yet |
| 10:01.11 | Vincent0ne- | I am using lenny |
| 10:01.16 | rohan | stew: ah right, still in progress :) |
| 10:01.18 | patrikf | but the mail just arrived |
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| 10:01.26 | rohan | patrikf: to which ML? |
| 10:01.27 | r1d3r | Hey i got the release announcement from the mailing list! Congrats! |
| 10:01.36 | rohan | i'm on d-d-a and it's not there |
| 10:01.39 | rohan | r1d3r: which ml? |
| 10:01.44 | Vincent0ne- | I changed from opensuse due I gone off it |
| 10:01.55 | patrikf | rohan: d-a |
| 10:02.00 | DeSian | lenny isn't in progress is released http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 |
| 10:02.06 | r1d3r | rohan: debian-announce |
| 10:02.08 | stew | DeSian: getting close |
| 10:02.14 | Vincent0ne- | I thought lenny was going to be released in June |
| 10:02.16 | dato | stew: if it's on d-a, I think it's fair to update it here |
| 10:02.28 | stew | dato: okie dokie :) |
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| 10:02.32 | dato | thanks |
| 10:02.34 | dato | http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00002.html |
| 10:02.44 | stew | dpkg no, lenny is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 or Lenny is the binoculars or Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>. |
| 10:02.45 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 10:02.54 | stew | dpkg: no Lenny is the current <stable> release of debian. It released on February 15th, 2009. The release announcement is here: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 |
| 10:02.55 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 10:03.00 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> lenny released!: /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r7 released /msg dpkg etch | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic |
| 10:03.03 | DeSian | stew: thanx |
| 10:03.25 | Vincent0ne- | soon it got released as testing I got hold of it |
| 10:03.29 | stew | dato is our local release team assistant. I was waiting for his go-ahead :) thanks to dato |
| 10:03.32 | davi | 5.0 :-) |
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| 10:03.45 | Tapout | stew, me and then dato! |
| 10:03.46 | Tapout | :) |
| 10:03.52 | r1d3r | but the torrent link on debian.org still points to 4.0_7 |
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| 10:04.01 | Tapout | i defer to dato |
| 10:04.02 | Vincent0ne- | main thing at least it runs well compared Opensuse on my pc |
| 10:04.03 | MichaelClark | i love windows vista |
| 10:04.12 | Tapout | MichaelClark, and some people love macs.. who cares? |
| 10:04.18 | rohan | congratulations everyone, debian rocks :D |
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| 10:04.45 | Zvpun | Lenny lenny lenny! |
| 10:04.47 | nkuttler | hm, the exim4 upgrade wasn't really smooth |
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| 10:05.03 | Vincent0ne- | rohan I got hold of it at beginning of feb probley on 2/2/09 |
| 10:05.38 | rohan | http://www.debian.org/CD/ still shows 4.0r7 |
| 10:06.46 | seria-mau | rohan: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
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| 10:07.09 | dupondje | [874586.964946] eth0: too many iterations (6) in nv_nic_irq. |
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| 10:07.15 | dupondje | to bad this ain't fixxed in lenny :'( |
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| 10:07.29 | DeSian | is the SID still unstable or testing? |
| 10:07.37 | seria-mau | and i am still wondering what the difference between the live-cd's standard, gnome and rescue is :) |
| 10:07.40 | d-b | stew: out now right ? |
| 10:07.40 | mhymn | etch, nostalgia.. |
| 10:07.42 | d-b | (lenny) |
| 10:07.43 | patrikf | sid is unstable, testing will become squeeze. |
| 10:07.45 | dato | rohan: thanks for reporting, we're fixing it |
| 10:07.51 | stew | d-b: yes |
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| 10:07.53 | seria-mau | DeSian: sid is always unstable |
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| 10:08.28 | Vincent0ne- | mind u I managed to get skype to run on debian |
| 10:08.30 | DeSian | seria-mau: and what is the testing candidate after Lenny? |
| 10:08.31 | Vincent0ne- | lenny |
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| 10:08.57 | rohan | squeeze, DeSian |
| 10:09.12 | DeSian | rohan: thnx |
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| 10:09.58 | rohan | wow this time they have liveusb images too yay :D |
| 10:10.11 | rohan | are the livecds installable? iirc the 4.0 ones weren't |
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| 10:10.50 | stew | rohan: aiui, you can launch the debian installer from the livecd, but its not a "copy this image to my hard drive" like knoppix |
| 10:11.04 | r1d3r | woohoo i'm getting it. Debian rules! |
| 10:11.07 | elky | congrats to all the devs :) |
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| 10:11.34 | mhymn | elky: poor users :( |
| 10:11.40 | Vincent0ne- | I seen the debian installer, that can be booted off the opitcal media which is quite good for new users |
| 10:11.46 | rohan | stew: ok, that means i still need to download the packages i need right? |
| 10:11.55 | elky | mhymn, what is that supposed to mean? |
| 10:12.03 | akkark1 | next years' question "When will Squeeze release.. at last?" |
| 10:12.22 | nkuttler | next year? |
| 10:12.22 | patrikf | :-) |
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| 10:12.28 | Vincent0ne- | what I do to save downloading everything rohan I normally buy debian from linux emporium quite cheaply then it installs off dvds |
| 10:12.29 | stew | rohan: i'm not sure. i've never used it |
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| 10:12.33 | veal_meal | is debian still a good linux ? |
| 10:12.38 | patrikf | nkuttler: sure. you never can start asking early enough |
| 10:12.52 | veal_meal | i'm in the usa |
| 10:13.02 | veal_meal | anyone else here in the usa ? |
| 10:13.02 | rohan | veal_meal: i'm in india, and it's just as good here |
| 10:13.04 | patrikf | veal_meal, no, with lenny, everything's gone down. |
| 10:13.43 | veal_meal | patrikf: i can usually fix lenny by just updating and reinstalling things |
| 10:13.45 | seria-mau | stew: does the rescue live-cd have an installer, too? |
| 10:13.54 | veal_meal | that is to be expected with a testing distro |
| 10:13.56 | patrikf | was just kidding, of course. |
| 10:13.59 | d1b | i wonder if they got recovery for luks going... |
| 10:14.05 | shivraj | veal_meal: somewhat ...... else good to go |
| 10:14.05 | r1d3r | veal_meal: people arround me use ubuntu! (i dont know to laugh or cry) |
| 10:14.06 | stew | seria-mau: i don't know |
| 10:14.08 | seria-mau | would be the best joice then, i guesss |
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| 10:14.10 | seria-mau | -s |
| 10:14.22 | bd_ | veal_meal: lenny's (mostly) released, haven't you heard? :) |
| 10:14.47 | veal_meal | is there an official release planned ? |
| 10:14.52 | Vincent0ne- | veal_meal: this will tell u about lenny release |
| 10:14.52 | Vincent0ne- | http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 |
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| 10:15.02 | bd_ | !lenny status |
| 10:15.02 | dpkg | Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. debian.org website is being rebuilt Mirrors now show stable => lenny. |
| 10:15.05 | veal_meal | my server might survive another dist-upgrade |
| 10:15.15 | mhymn | elky: you congratulated the devs only |
| 10:15.18 | veal_meal | Vincent0ne-: thqnks |
| 10:15.23 | Vincent0ne- | your welcome |
| 10:15.30 | Vincent0ne- | I am running it at the moment |
| 10:15.38 | Vincent0ne- | after stop using opensuse |
| 10:15.56 | elky | mhymn, yeah, my mistake. congrats to all contribs |
| 10:16.16 | bd_ | oh hey, the release announcement went out |
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| 10:16.28 | bd_ | someone should update lenny status on dpkg, I guess :) |
| 10:16.29 | irix | hey, happy lenny |
| 10:16.30 | irix | :) |
| 10:16.34 | stew | bd_: done |
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| 10:17.39 | jintxo | starts backing up a couple pre-pro environments to stage a couple of test upgrades |
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| 10:19.32 | rohan | the release notes doesn't mention anything |
| 10:19.34 | pabs3 | rohan: try the Debian live FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ |
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| 10:20.13 | Zvpun | Thank you for Lenny and congratualtions! |
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| 10:20.29 | dato | rohan: http://www.debian.org/CD/ fixed |
| 10:20.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks to all Debian hackers for Lenny :) |
| 10:21.06 | lostson | agreed |
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| 10:21.07 | rohan | pabs3: i've read it :) it's more of a guide to _making_ liveimages, than using them |
| 10:21.40 | rohan | dato: wonderful :D |
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| 10:22.06 | geophoenix | seeds @ 50kb/s |
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| 10:22.18 | zxd | hi |
| 10:22.25 | geophoenix | ^.^ |
| 10:22.31 | zxd | i marked a package to be HOLD , where is that config saved |
| 10:22.35 | zxd | i don't see it in /etc/apt |
| 10:22.42 | akkark1 | leeches 25.5 kbs |
| 10:22.50 | seria-mau | seeds also at 50kB/s |
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| 10:23.07 | rohan | is it recommended to add debian-volatile to a stable debian install? |
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| 10:23.27 | geophoenix | i think i optional |
| 10:23.45 | geophoenix | *its |
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| 10:24.05 | rohan | is currently reading the install notes and release notes |
| 10:24.12 | rohan | i hope the live image queries are answered |
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| 10:24.37 | zophy[] | wow, debian 5.0, thanks everyone you, gals and guys are marvelous !!! |
| 10:24.41 | seria-mau | good point |
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| 10:25.10 | zxd | where are settings for held packages saved |
| 10:25.32 | rohan | zxd: /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 10:25.55 | zxd | rohan, i don't have that file |
| 10:26.29 | nkuttler | zxd: use dpkg --get/set-selections |
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| 10:27.15 | zxd | nkuttler, that shows me what's installed |
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| 10:27.36 | hanibana | Hi all |
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| 10:27.50 | nkuttler | zxd: no |
| 10:27.59 | zxd | nkuttler, no? |
| 10:28.24 | pabs3 | rohan: I expect you eject/unmount the usb stick, then dd the image to /dev/sdb or whatever it is |
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| 10:30.33 | zxd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:31.35 | arezey | lenny is stable! w00tz0r! \o/ |
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| 10:32.00 | hanibana | I have a Debian etch server. I have force-installed an upper version of a package with dpkg, because I need some of its new features in contrast to one in Debian mirror. Anway, every time I come to aptitude a package, it complains about this force-installed package and wants to remove it before installing. |
| 10:32.06 | hanibana | See : http://pastebin.com/d7959fe22 |
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| 10:32.35 | seria-mau | hanibana: use pinning |
| 10:32.41 | hanibana | I want apt somehow ignore it... is it any solution? |
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| 10:33.09 | rohan | i guess the live install media is not "official" - i can't find *any* mention of it anywhere in the install manual |
| 10:33.41 | seria-mau | rohan: the release notes mentions them |
| 10:33.53 | seria-mau | hanibana: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning?highlight=(pinning)|(apt) |
| 10:34.30 | rohan | seria-mau: if you mean section 2.3, it gives no link the CDs or usb images, neither are we told how to use them |
| 10:34.49 | Internat | congrats to the release team if your arround. Very much appreciated |
| 10:35.01 | hanibana | seria-mau: thanks, I'll take a look :) |
| 10:35.02 | rohan | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ i guess these are the ones though |
| 10:35.10 | nkuttler | zxd: i hope you're not going to edit that file.. |
| 10:35.11 | seria-mau | rohan: no, i meant http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 |
| 10:35.20 | arezey | why would squeeze users be "for a bumpy ride" ? |
| 10:36.13 | [SkG] | Hi, I were using lenny (as testing, but in my sources.list I have lenny) must I do dist-upgrade? |
| 10:36.21 | [SkG] | or, update and then upgrade? |
| 10:36.36 | stew | arezey: becuase the testing freeze will be lifted and a thousand packages waiting to migrate from unstable to testing will all go at once, and then developers start moving lots of stuff from experimental to unstable |
| 10:36.44 | seria-mau | arezey: afaik, squeeze will have no security support in the beginning |
| 10:36.50 | stew | [SkG]: upgrade should be enough |
| 10:36.51 | rohan | seria-mau: oh ok, that doesn't still mention whether the live cds are installable |
| 10:36.53 | stew | seria-mau: true |
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| 10:37.19 | stew | [SkG]: since lenny and squeeze are currently identical, nothing should be upgraded |
| 10:37.28 | [SkG] | ok |
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| 10:38.18 | _stack | I have a problem, why apt is giving me that message? http://rafb.net/p/VTafkU87.html |
| 10:38.26 | seria-mau | openjdk is now in main? nice :) |
| 10:38.47 | valdyn | _stack: sounds like you removed the gnome package |
| 10:39.13 | valdyn | _stack: which will make a huge list of packages like yours no longer needed by the one manually installed package |
| 10:39.14 | _stack | valdyn: isn't it a metapackage? |
| 10:39.23 | valdyn | _stack: sure, thats the point |
| 10:40.09 | _stack | and how do I tell, hey apt don't bore me about that, I don't want that metapackage because on the next upgrade you fill me with packagest that I don't want? |
| 10:40.33 | valdyn | _stack: i dont know the right way, you can apt-get install <cut and paste of that list> |
| 10:41.24 | akkark1 | u can't cut from stdout :-) |
| 10:41.37 | _stack | -.- |
| 10:41.51 | valdyn | akkark1: maybe you cant |
| 10:41.59 | _stack | anyway, I thing there must be a better way to tell apt to swith those packages to manually installed |
| 10:42.06 | rindolf | Congratulation on releasing Lenny! |
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| 10:42.15 | valdyn | _stack: yea, I'm sure there is |
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| 10:43.19 | _stack | aptitude keep-all |
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| 10:44.22 | _stack | quick solution , it works http://rafb.net/p/Rf02bR21.html |
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| 10:45.52 | rohan | can i jump in here? what's the problem? |
| 10:45.52 | dupondje | [874586.964946] eth0: too many iterations (6) in nv_nic_irq. <- where to report the 'bug' ? |
| 10:45.52 | dupondje | the solution is easy, just would be cool if it was added |
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| 10:46.17 | rohan | dupondje: is it your ethernet card driver that's causing it, or what? |
| 10:46.17 | valdyn | dupondje: whats the solution? |
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| 10:46.42 | dupondje | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blobdiff;f=drivers/net/forcedeth.c;h=0b12e48d5f37e49b8b476e6c6d4df47c153309d5;hp=74c588efa92ea9ac771f73b8b4f5e295a152bec4;hb=dccd547e2bf2c01a13c967ae03a705338394fad6;hpb=0befdb3e0a26a8949063915274e1bec8873c526b |
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| 10:46.44 | dupondje | thats the solution |
| 10:46.48 | dupondje | its in newer kernels ... |
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| 10:47.20 | valdyn | dupondje: then report it for the debian kernel package |
| 10:47.29 | valdyn | dupondje: linux-image-blah |
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| 10:47.56 | valdyn | dupondje: this is already overrideable with a module parameter though, needs no patch |
| 10:48.18 | dupondje | yea you can override it |
| 10:48.28 | dupondje | but its nicer if its patched no ? |
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| 10:48.44 | valdyn | dupondje: we dont know side effects |
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| 10:49.17 | arezey | stew, ah.. |
| 10:49.23 | dupondje | currenly forcedeth has 6 interrupts ... |
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| 10:49.35 | dupondje | most network drivers has 15-20 ... |
| 10:50.13 | dupondje | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=dccd547e2bf2c01a13c967ae03a705338394fad6 |
| 10:50.15 | dupondje | see comment ... |
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| 10:51.40 | yownanymous | anyone know anything about the Hurd project? |
| 10:52.25 | nkuttler | yownanymous: /msg dpkg hurd |
| 10:52.46 | yownanymous | OK... |
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| 10:53.19 | yownanymous | yeah but like |
| 10:53.26 | yownanymous | how ready is it? |
| 10:53.35 | valdyn | yownanymous: not |
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| 10:54.18 | yownanymous | well how about the next Linux release? |
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| 10:54.34 | valdyn | yownanymous: what has hurd got to do with linux? |
| 10:54.40 | yownanymous | nothing |
| 10:54.49 | yownanymous | just wondering how far off the next release of Linux is |
| 10:54.57 | yownanymous | debian linux that is |
| 10:54.59 | valdyn | yownanymous: a month |
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| 10:55.04 | valdyn | yownanymous: debian 18 months |
| 10:55.11 | yownanymous | woah |
| 10:55.16 | yownanymous | year and a half... |
| 10:55.21 | valdyn | yownanymous: thats just a wild guess |
| 10:55.38 | yownanymous | ah right |
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| 10:56.01 | valdyn | yownanymous: why are you asking this silly question when lenny just released? |
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| 10:56.15 | yownanymous | valdyn: I didn't know |
| 10:56.25 | yownanymous | I generally don't use debian |
| 10:56.37 | valdyn | !topicsmite yownanymous |
| 10:56.37 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon yownanymous. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 10:56.52 | yownanymous | hmm |
| 10:56.54 | stew | yownanymous: you were asking when our next release was less than an hour after we released :) |
| 10:56.58 | yownanymous | well I'm ignorant and mad for a start |
| 10:57.19 | yownanymous | completely insane |
| 10:57.23 | yownanymous | :P |
| 10:57.33 | rohan | yownanymous: you can bet on it though |
| 10:57.37 | rohan | !squeeze bet |
| 10:57.38 | dpkg | To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid. |
| 10:57.45 | yownanymous | what bet? |
| 10:57.46 | yownanymous | wha? |
| 10:58.03 | yownanymous | someone explain |
| 10:58.58 | valdyn | dpkg: squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! valdyn=2010-06-15/ |
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| 10:58.58 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
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| 10:59.05 | Vincent0ne- | back from bath |
| 10:59.10 | valdyn | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 10:59.10 | dpkg | ! valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 |
| 10:59.51 | yownanymous | oh |
| 11:00.00 | yownanymous | you bet on when the next edition will be released |
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| 11:00.15 | yownanymous | well I'm glad to hear that Lenny got released at last |
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| 11:00.41 | yownanymous | is it just me, or are the releases named after characters from Toy Story? |
| 11:00.42 | sy | ok, i'm running lenny, should i do an upograde now or a dist-upgrade ? |
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| 11:01.10 | sy | yownanymous:that seems to be the plan |
| 11:01.16 | yownanymous | sy: :D |
| 11:01.28 | valdyn | sy: upgrade first, that will let you see if dist-upgrade makes any difference at all |
| 11:01.33 | yownanymous | so if you get Debian to a right old age, you can name it Woody :P |
| 11:01.38 | sy | mmmmrrf |
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| 11:01.49 | stew | yownanymous: woody was released in 2002 |
| 11:01.58 | valdyn | !debian releases |
| 11:01.58 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
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| 11:02.04 | yownanymous | stew: I'm so used to the ubuntu alphabetical releases... |
| 11:02.14 | karmatronic | is it me or there s such a mess at the moment that upgrading is not recommended on testing |
| 11:02.32 | yownanymous | !squeeze bet |
| 11:02.32 | dpkg | To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid. |
| 11:02.36 | valdyn | karmatronic: why are you using testing right now? |
| 11:02.38 | valdyn | karmatronic: thats stupid |
| 11:02.49 | karmatronic | valdyn: alway use testing |
| 11:02.50 | sy | karmatronic: pay attention to the testing part of "testing" |
| 11:02.58 | valdyn | karmatronic: thats hardly a point |
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| 11:03.17 | Internat | anyone know what version of gcc was used to make the lenny 2.6.26 kernel? |
| 11:03.19 | stew | karmatronic: its not a mess now, but it should hopefully become a mess later today if the freeze is lifted |
| 11:03.30 | yownanymous | hang on |
| 11:03.32 | sy | i think i'll put testing in my sources.list |
| 11:03.41 | yownanymous | what character is squeeze? :/ |
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| 11:03.48 | logika | how can i upgrade from testing to another testing? since testing is now stable (lenny)? |
| 11:03.49 | seria-mau | after post-release rush, i always use testing. it's better for desktop machines (@home) imho |
| 11:03.57 | karmatronic | yownanymous: the alien |
| 11:04.01 | yownanymous | ah |
| 11:04.04 | valdyn | i cant wait for all the ignorant testing users to come in here in few days |
| 11:04.08 | sy | i'm not an alien |
| 11:04.14 | sy | stop saying that |
| 11:04.17 | yownanymous | valdyn: What, including me? |
| 11:04.18 | yownanymous | :P |
| 11:04.36 | karmatronic | valdyn: always use testing,why would i change today |
| 11:04.43 | karmatronic | valdyn: not supposed to make a difference |
| 11:04.52 | rohan | logika: keep your sources.list pointed to testing |
| 11:04.54 | valdyn | karmatronic: if you say so |
| 11:04.55 | yownanymous | I'm trying right now to test the Mint Debian live system |
| 11:05.00 | rohan | logika: that way you dont have to do anything |
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| 11:05.21 | logika | rohan: my sources.list has deb lines with the name lenny in it, isn't that a problem? |
| 11:05.22 | valdyn | yownanymous: im not talking about you testing something, testing is also a debian release status |
| 11:05.28 | karmatronic | rohan: thank you.valdy doesnt seem to agrre to this argument... |
| 11:05.36 | seria-mau | karmatronic: because squeeze will have no support from the security team in the beginning? they will wait until squeeze has settled down a bit |
| 11:05.50 | yownanymous | valdyn: I know |
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| 11:05.58 | yownanymous | valdyn: I always use testing editions |
| 11:05.59 | yownanymous | :P |
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| 11:06.02 | yownanymous | even of ubuntu |
| 11:06.04 | znh | Hello |
| 11:06.13 | antiii | is lenny stable now? |
| 11:06.15 | rohan | logika: so change all instances of "lenny" to "testing", you'll be fine |
| 11:06.16 | sy | it is a matter of pecuniary resource, not a genetic nor a transmutagenic equivilance |
| 11:06.19 | yownanymous | antiii: yes |
| 11:06.22 | antiii | oh cool |
| 11:06.27 | antiii | thought i downloades some other thing ;P |
| 11:06.28 | yownanymous | or so I think |
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| 11:06.34 | antiii | debian-500-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:06.35 | logika | rohan: i see, thanks for your help. |
| 11:06.38 | antiii | it said stable so :p |
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| 11:06.52 | sy | rohan: should i do that in my /etc/sources.list ? |
| 11:07.01 | yownanymous | has anyone noticed how busy #ubuntu is? It moves so fast... |
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| 11:07.11 | Vincent0ne- | I never go in there |
| 11:07.14 | capiira | hi all is there a way to tell apt-get to force-architecture ? |
| 11:07.20 | antiii | yownanymous impossible to get help :P |
| 11:07.25 | rohan | sy: do you also permanently want to remain on -testing? |
| 11:07.28 | znh | I'm having an issue with xinetd. I forwarded a port to an other computer on my network. This works fine inside the network, but once I try to reach it from the internet it wont work (times out). The port is forwarded at my router to the server. Other forwarded ports (router->server) work fine. anyone? |
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| 11:07.31 | rohan | capiira: no, why would you want to do that? |
| 11:07.43 | karmatronic | antiii: from finland? |
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| 11:07.47 | Vincent0ne- | I am happy using testing |
| 11:07.48 | yownanymous | antiii: I try to give help there to as many people as possible |
| 11:07.49 | capiira | to install 32libs on 64bit system |
| 11:08.08 | capiira | and run 32bit apps |
| 11:08.17 | sy | yownanymous: the absence of knowledge is evidenced by the preponderence of quizical appearances |
| 11:08.25 | yownanymous | sy: huh? |
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| 11:08.50 | yownanymous | you lot scare me you know that? :P |
| 11:08.54 | stew | capiira: "apt-cache search -n ia32". which libraries do you need? |
| 11:09.03 | Vincent0ne- | lol yownanymous |
| 11:09.11 | yownanymous | apparently been a bit of a mix-up in debian mint, meaning we've got the ubuntu and debian repos :S |
| 11:09.16 | yownanymous | which spells trouble |
| 11:09.21 | capiira | i know how to install them manually with uncomfortable way but i was thinking there is a easy way to do that |
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| 11:09.32 | stew | capiira: which libraries? |
| 11:09.39 | sy | yownanymous: i thought my statement was on topic |
| 11:09.45 | yownanymous | sy: Huh? |
| 11:09.48 | stew | sy: it wasn't |
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| 11:10.17 | yownanymous | you know what, every IRC channel I've ever been in has NOT spoken about the topic... |
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| 11:10.54 | capiira | libmozjs.so, libxul.so etc. |
| 11:11.01 | capiira | have a lot of them |
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| 11:12.04 | yownanymous | back |
| 11:12.07 | yownanymous | damn |
| 11:12.22 | yownanymous | I can't remember the command for getting rid of away status |
| 11:12.25 | yownanymous | little help? |
| 11:12.38 | seria-mau | simple /away should do it |
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| 11:12.50 | capiira | i probably have to write a script to fetch i686 deb url from debian site use a wget and call dpkg with --force-architecture |
| 11:12.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | or /back in xchat |
| 11:12.53 | yownanymous | yeah but its says I'm already marked away |
| 11:12.57 | yownanymous | ah |
| 11:13.00 | yownanymous | that's done the trick |
| 11:13.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | hates that new "feature" of xchat |
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| 11:13.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | stupid client |
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| 11:13.10 | capiira | was thinking apt-get has something like that already buildin |
| 11:13.14 | Vincent0ne- | what is the feature of xchat |
| 11:13.18 | seria-mau | Kamping_Kaiser: use irssi ;) |
| 11:13.20 | yownanymous | Kamping_Kaiser: Pidgin's the worst, believe me |
| 11:13.31 | vonsp | dont anyone have small ascii-art debian logo? i cant find anything on deibanart %( |
| 11:13.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | seria-mau, i do on my other computer, hence the confusion :) |
| 11:13.34 | Vincent0ne- | I use pidgin as msn client |
| 11:13.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | yownanymous, dont worry, i know |
| 11:13.52 | yownanymous | I use emesene and Xchat :P |
| 11:14.19 | Vincent0ne- | the irc client I used kvirc for years |
| 11:14.28 | logika | :-) i just use bitlbee with erc under emacs |
| 11:15.06 | sy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:15.50 | seria-mau | emacs. eww. |
| 11:15.53 | cga | hi all. kudos for lenny!!!! |
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| 11:16.08 | Tuxie | seria-mau: nano <3 |
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| 11:16.35 | cga | i have a problem upgrading from etch. it returns the usual error on the key not installed. but i installed the debian-keyring. is that not enough? |
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| 11:19.29 | prahal | cga, have you installed the one from lenny ? |
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| 11:19.54 | luca__ | hello i would install Moonlight stable on debian lenny i386,where can find it? |
| 11:20.12 | mardi | luca__: apt? |
| 11:20.30 | rohan | cga: if you're following the release notes to upgrade, and you get that problem, you should file a bug |
| 11:20.36 | cga | prahal: i changed sources.list and installed the keyring. |
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| 11:20.49 | mardi | woooo Lenny wooo!! yeah!! |
| 11:20.52 | rohan | luca__: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight |
| 11:20.57 | luca__ | mardi: root@debian:~# aptitude search Moonlight |
| 11:20.57 | luca__ | root@debian:~# |
| 11:21.16 | rohan | luca__: no, it's not packaged into any distros yet (iirc) |
| 11:21.28 | rohan | luca__: for direct download - http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight |
| 11:21.36 | mardi | i have it here, i'm using testing |
| 11:21.45 | luca__ | http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight is down |
| 11:22.00 | prahal | luca__, I know it is on http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 11:22.31 | mardi | oh jeez, that's right, i have the multimedia repo, sorry |
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| 11:22.47 | rohan | oops yes, my bad. it's there on d-m |
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| 11:24.10 | mardi | so, as a long time Lenny user, do I actually need to do anything with 5.0, or can i just carry on as usual? |
| 11:24.16 | prahal | cga, I am just checking basic before digging further : apt-cache policy debian-keyring (did you apt-get update after changing the sources.list ?) |
| 11:24.25 | cryingtux | ! sources |
| 11:24.26 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 11:25.14 | rohan | is debian-multimedia stable also lenny now? |
| 11:25.19 | cryingtux | ! DE |
| 11:25.19 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
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| 11:25.38 | rohan | cryingtux: uh you can do all this in pm with the bot, and not disrupt the channel |
| 11:25.41 | cga | prahal: should i paste here? |
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| 11:25.58 | capiira | yeha, finaly unstable again :D |
| 11:26.03 | cryingtux | ok rohan |
| 11:26.18 | prahal | cga, just the line with the version :) |
| 11:26.41 | prahal | and the repo |
| 11:26.49 | prahal | too sorry |
| 11:26.51 | cga | Installed: 2009.01.18 |
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| 11:27.03 | prahal | yup it is the right one ... |
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| 11:27.07 | cga | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:27.35 | cga | i try with dpkg suggested commands |
| 11:28.17 | cryingtux | rohan: which light windows managers are there in lenny? |
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| 11:28.59 | haxality | hey guys don't you think maybe having two different release versions in the topic might be a little confusing to people? |
| 11:29.08 | valdyn | mardi: carry on as usual |
| 11:29.28 | valdyn | mardi: except if your sources.list references testing, then it should probably be lenny |
| 11:29.44 | prahal | cga, don't you have check for debsig in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg (should have no-debsiig) |
| 11:29.51 | prahal | sorry "no-debsig" |
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| 11:30.29 | mardi | valdyn: thanks, but i'd like to stay with testing, so i'm thinking about replacing the where it says 'lenn' with 'testing' |
| 11:30.53 | valdyn | mardi: thats ok, provided you know about the increased hazards |
| 11:31.08 | Fjordside | what arch to use with a Intel core 2 duo P8600? |
| 11:31.19 | valdyn | Fjordside: i386 or amd64 |
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| 11:31.51 | Fjordside | valdyn, what would you use of the 2? |
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| 11:32.13 | valdyn | Fjordside: i wouldnt know that without knowing my workload and my amount of ram |
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| 11:32.21 | prahal | cga, sorry have to go ... if nobody is able to help and this is not the debsig issue , please report it back to the bts :-/ |
| 11:32.24 | cga | prahal: i didn't check. anyway when i try to follow aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade i get a lot of unresolved dependencies, one conflict and some other stuff. FYI: sparc etch. i think i'll keep etch in here. don't wanna brake my little server. |
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| 11:32.28 | mardi | valdyn: you mean the normal everyday hazards with using testing? or are there new hazards associated with using testing while debian upgrades to 5.0? |
| 11:32.32 | cga | prahal: np thanks |
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| 11:32.41 | cyzie | when is squeeze release? |
| 11:32.45 | valdyn | mardi: testing was extremely safe the last few months |
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| 11:33.11 | mardi | valdyn: heck yeh!! i've been using it since about april of '08, it's been like a rock |
| 11:33.12 | valdyn | mardi: its dangerous after stable releases, but not very dangerous, you just need to watch dist-upgrades |
| 11:33.22 | nailuj24 | Congratulations for the release! |
| 11:33.25 | mardi | valdyn: ok, thanks for the info :) |
| 11:33.40 | nailuj24 | Even sid is quite safe if you install apt-listbugs and be careful |
| 11:34.15 | _GNR_ | grats for the lenny release! at last, testing is gonna get real updates :P |
| 11:34.18 | cryingtux | which light windows managers are there in lenny? anybody knows? |
| 11:34.41 | logika | cryingtux: i use xmonad. :) |
| 11:34.53 | valdyn | cryingtux: which wm beside compiz is "heavy" ? |
| 11:35.11 | cryingtux | valdyn:? |
| 11:35.29 | mardi | i use xfce on my old lappy, it runs well |
| 11:35.39 | valdyn | except that xfce is not a wm |
| 11:35.41 | nailuj24 | valdyn: Kwin with Compositing... Although it's pretty smooth even without OpenGL |
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| 11:36.23 | mardi | hmm... yeah... |
| 11:36.27 | cryingtux | valdyn: so which one you recommend ? |
| 11:36.34 | valdyn | cryingtux: its strange people asking unsecifically about "light" when a wm needs less than 1% the resources that your webbrowser needs |
| 11:36.50 | valdyn | cryingtux: i have no idea what you want |
| 11:36.54 | cyzie | when is squeeze release? |
| 11:37.11 | vonsp | when ~1300 bugs will be fixed |
| 11:37.29 | vonsp | i mean, when you fix them. |
| 11:37.38 | cryingtux | valdyn: if you ask me i want jwm but debian doesnt come with full packages for that, so we are left with openbox and others |
| 11:37.42 | cyzie | sure |
| 11:37.44 | cyzie | assign to me |
| 11:38.11 | khaije1 | so i know what the criteria for software to move from experimental to unstable to testing, but what is the criteria that allows software to move from testing to stable? or does that even happen/ |
| 11:38.12 | khaije1 | ? |
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| 11:40.06 | nailuj24 | khaije1: Testing gets frozen at a ceratin time |
| 11:40.09 | rohan | khaije1: never |
| 11:40.17 | rohan | khaije1: stable gets only security updates (officially) |
| 11:40.27 | rohan | unless you count AndAHalf where you get kernel updates too |
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| 11:43.23 | khaije1 | omg this finally makes sense lol |
| 11:43.47 | khaije1 | i feel like that latino guy at the obama town hall, THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!! |
| 11:44.03 | rohan | khaije1: have a look - http://debian.org/releases/ |
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| 11:44.38 | cryingtux | http://rafb.net/p/N0QaGr98.html |
| 11:44.50 | cryingtux | are these repos ok? |
| 11:44.53 | khaije1 | rohan: i get it now, i was thinking that there was more of an unbroken trickle from experimental to stable, as you just illustrated that i completely not the case |
| 11:44.59 | scientes | rohan, that page isnt updated |
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| 11:45.13 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 11:45.28 | Brujah | hy everybody |
| 11:45.31 | scientes | khaije1, all stables are forks of testing when testing is deemed stable enough |
| 11:45.41 | Brujah | I need help with building a deb package |
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| 11:46.07 | rohan | scientes: of course it is |
| 11:46.26 | scientes | :) |
| 11:46.34 | Brujah | anybody here that can help me with building a deb package? I already have a script that creates one but it need to be changed a bit and I have no clue about that |
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| 11:48.49 | scientes | Brujah, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=building+debian+packages |
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| 11:49.14 | scientes | Brujah, or the easy (fake) way: |
| 11:49.19 | scientes | dpkg checkinstall |
| 11:49.19 | dpkg | well, checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because of bug #281823 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 Ask me about <stow>. |
| 11:49.42 | khaije1 | checkinstall is great |
| 11:49.54 | myeggo | does not exists something as translate.google.com offline? |
| 11:50.06 | Brujah | its for our game lost labyrinth. and its not c++ so checkinstall will not work |
| 11:50.13 | cyzie | is there a file that stored the history of the package installed? |
| 11:50.40 | scientes | checkinstall is bad because it doesnt corretly determine requirements etc |
| 11:50.41 | Brujah | I have a script that does the magic already. just need it changed that it includes a whole folder (where I put all the licences stuff). thats for debian :-) |
| 11:50.43 | cryingtux | !openbox |
| 11:50.43 | dpkg | hmm... openbox is <blackbox>, but leeter, or better than <fluxbox>. http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox http://www.openbox.org/ #openbox @irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:51.08 | scientes | Brujah, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=building+debian+packages |
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| 11:51.31 | Brujah | I do not want to become a package maintainer :-) programming the game is enough for me :-) |
| 11:51.42 | webmind | uhm @topic: shouldn't http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/ be updated? |
| 11:51.59 | scientes | Brujah, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ its all there |
| 11:52.39 | scientes | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.39 | Brujah | cool |
| 11:52.44 | pabs3 | Brujah: contact the Debian games team perhaps |
| 11:52.58 | scientes | Brujah, that was the second google result |
| 11:53.01 | pabs3 | we need more people in that team though |
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| 11:54.48 | Brujah | I would really like it when somebody takes the packaging stuff. Because I can't build packages for suse, mandriva, redhat, slackware, debian. all of them different. This is a one man show. So I simply can't do it myself. I already have a script so it should be really easy for a maintainer to take it over. |
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| 11:56.16 | pabs3 | Brujah: which game is it? |
| 11:56.24 | Brujah | www.lostlabyrinth.com |
| 11:56.40 | Brujah | 100% open source :-) |
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| 11:57.06 | ja | hey guys, upgraded kernel to etchnhalf |
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| 11:57.16 | Brujah | we even found the authors of the modules we use. so there should be no problems with licences anymore |
| 11:57.24 | ja | now i have issues with my eth1, dhcp. |
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| 11:58.07 | ja | when i boot into my desktop, i have to run a ifdown eth1; ifup eth1 |
| 11:58.21 | ja | then it works, ill pastebin /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:59.13 | ja | http://rafb.net/p/uTBc1g83.html |
| 12:00.14 | pabs3 | Brujah: nice, posting the link in #freedesktop-games and #debian-games |
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| 12:00.42 | nkuttler | ja: does your interface need some kind of firmware? |
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| 12:01.26 | ja | no. |
| 12:01.31 | ja | its a wired network card |
| 12:01.44 | ja | well, least, it never did in 2.6.18! |
| 12:02.52 | nkuttler | ja: check dmesg, /var/log/messages |
| 12:02.56 | ja | for? |
| 12:03.03 | ja | hmm |
| 12:03.07 | ja | thinks |
| 12:03.16 | nkuttler | ja: interface up? tries dhcp? why failure? |
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| 12:03.33 | rohan | the install manual says something about using the "hd-media" images to boot the installer. where can i find those from? are they available on the cd itself/ |
| 12:03.40 | ja | nkuttler: ok :) |
| 12:04.08 | nkuttler | ja: oh, and check the dhcpd logs as well |
| 12:04.11 | busfahrer | Is there already a codename for the release after Squeeze? |
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| 12:05.05 | rohan | busfahrer: not so soon |
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| 12:05.26 | busfahrer | wb dpkg |
| 12:05.33 | superjet_busy | rohan: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 12:06.11 | rohan | superjet_busy: thanks, i just found them. |
| 12:06.20 | rohan | but are they also available on the cds? |
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| 12:07.31 | cryingtux | !netinstall |
| 12:07.32 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but which is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
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| 12:07.50 | spaceninja | why not go with testing in the first place? |
| 12:07.51 | scientes | superjet_busy, how do those work? is the whole installer in that second 13 mg initrd.gz |
| 12:08.07 | spaceninja | what's the advantage of using stable? |
| 12:08.19 | rohan | spaceninja: testing is not officially "supported" |
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| 12:08.23 | mardi | spaceninja: stability? |
| 12:08.27 | scientes | spaceninja, it wont break, and it always has promps security support |
| 12:08.35 | rohan | spaceninja: stable is rock solid, and it's for systems like servers which need 100% uptime |
| 12:08.46 | spaceninja | oh ok, thanks |
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| 12:09.03 | scientes | but for desktop systems you can often give up a little uptime for new features |
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| 12:09.31 | superjet_busy | scientes: you need iso or net to finish intallation, it's just to boot and launch installer |
| 12:09.31 | khaije1 | what does the channel use for daily desktop use? |
| 12:09.57 | scientes | superjet_busy, ahh, for old non-isolinux compatible comps |
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| 12:09.59 | rohan | khaije1: depends on what a person needs |
| 12:09.59 | mardi | khaije1: i use testing with xfce |
| 12:10.07 | patrikf | testing here, stable on the notebook |
| 12:10.11 | akkark | lenny |
| 12:10.14 | khaije1 | i was using lenny, but ended up pulling lots of unstable for kde4.2 |
| 12:10.20 | scientes | superjet_busy, couldnt you boot the pxeboots off the hd like that though and then not need any cd? |
| 12:10.23 | rohan | khaije1: kde 4.2 is there in unstable? |
| 12:10.32 | bp0 | ? /msg bots NOT people |
| 12:10.37 | bp0 | no bots |
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| 12:10.37 | khaije1 | meant to say experimental |
| 12:10.40 | superjet_busy | scientes: yes |
| 12:10.49 | khaije1 | i wish :-) |
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| 12:11.26 | patrikf | bp0: you should not send private messages to people, just to bots |
| 12:11.40 | scientes | bp0, ie dpkg is a bot |
| 12:11.59 | superjet_busy | scientes: or install it with grub4dos after download the first iso |
| 12:12.00 | khaije1 | bp0: so am i |
| 12:12.06 | patrikf | although "/msg bots NOT people" actually is somewhat ambiguous |
| 12:12.17 | spaceninja | .D |
| 12:12.23 | bp0 | heh |
| 12:12.24 | khaije1 | we are all bots, and we are all happy to met you |
| 12:12.26 | bp0 | alright then |
| 12:12.49 | khaije1 | signing off.... |
| 12:12.50 | spaceninja | geeks don't like to get personal :) |
| 12:12.50 | rohan | hmm installing from a usb pen drive using an iso looks really easy |
| 12:12.56 | spaceninja | I guess, or something |
| 12:13.13 | rohan | is kde 4.2 in experimental/ |
| 12:13.21 | khaije1 | rohan: yes |
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| 12:14.55 | scientes | superjet_busy, gmm to ld for me, ive only booted DOS once in my life :) |
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| 12:15.33 | dw | hey there. any idea why update-grub doesn't see xen after apt-get install xen-hypervisor? |
| 12:15.39 | dw | this happened before and it took ages to solve :( |
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| 12:16.41 | dw | i've just upgraded to lenny |
| 12:16.44 | superjet_busy | scientes: :) |
| 12:17.17 | xlotlu | yey. lenny is out |
| 12:17.39 | mardi | woooo Lenny wooo!! yeah!! |
| 12:18.04 | Leif | :) |
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| 12:20.51 | xlotlu | lmao at a ./ comment: Savor this moment guys, a Debian release is like a Solar eclipse, you are lucky if you get to see one in your lifetime! |
| 12:21.09 | Leif | :D |
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| 12:21.38 | maelcum|konv | as a matter of fact i have seen a solar eclipse before i was 20 |
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| 12:23.03 | akkark | partilal ones are not that rare |
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| 12:23.17 | akkark | 've seen three |
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| 12:44.36 | bp0 | why isnt grep -P supported in debian? |
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| 12:45.03 | Maior | bp0: seems to be for me... |
| 12:45.21 | bp0 | i get: grep: Support for the -P option is not compiled into this --disable-perl-regexp binary |
| 12:45.28 | rubikcube | hmm, why does `apt-get install apt` want to install stuff like libx11? |
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| 12:45.49 | webmind | bp0, same here (running sid though) |
| 12:46.00 | bp0 | < lenny |
| 12:46.19 | logika | rubikcube: you shouldn't be using apt-get anymore, use something like aptitude. |
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| 12:46.25 | maelcum|konv | logged into a beagle board running lenny |
| 12:47.17 | webmind | logika, what's the difference? |
| 12:47.23 | webmind | and the reason not to use apt? |
| 12:47.33 | abrotman | rubikcube: it doesn't .. it wasnts to install x libraries right ? |
| 12:47.53 | abrotman | !tell webmind about why aptitude |
| 12:48.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | i dont seem to have a `libx11` package |
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| 12:48.37 | webmind | thanks |
| 12:48.39 | rubikcube | well, I tried http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#aptupgrade1st first, but that didn't seem to want to update aptitude at first |
| 12:49.16 | rubikcube | oh, I just see, it should have worked alright |
| 12:49.24 | rubikcube | sorry and thanks :) |
| 12:49.53 | scientes | rubikcube, yeah if it doesnt actually prompt you its just letting you know things |
| 12:50.33 | rubikcube | !tell rubikcube about why aptitude |
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| 12:54.30 | abrotman | !tell rubikcube about selftell |
| 12:54.52 | rubikcube | :) |
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| 12:56.25 | stoffell | !tell stoffell about why aptitude |
| 12:57.16 | webmind | !tell webmind about selftell |
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| 12:58.37 | ilembitov1 | Hi, all. Some questions about Lenny. Is PackageKit available for Debian |
| 12:58.39 | ilembitov1 | ? |
| 12:58.47 | x1250 | hey guys, I'm compiling a game and getting a lot of this type of messages: undefined reference to `inflateEnd' and then a collect2: ld returned 1 exit status. Does anyone has a clue/hint? |
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| 12:59.45 | ilembitov1 | And second question is, where can I get KDE 4.2 for Lenny? In experimental only? |
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| 13:00.21 | nocte | lenny released:) |
| 13:00.24 | nocte | hola. |
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| 13:00.44 | maelcum|konv | cheers debian team! |
| 13:00.58 | luca__ | when upgrade a testing squeeze?I use always testing |
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| 13:01.58 | hikenboot | hello all--anyone able to tell me if the lenny release supports setting up raid and lvm in the gui installer |
| 13:02.21 | abrotman | if the curses one does, the GUI should |
| 13:02.33 | abrotman | luca__: is that a question ? |
| 13:03.20 | maelcum|konv | if you continue releasing releases at the same pace you will have to give names to the nails on the floor (if any) in the movie soon! |
| 13:04.51 | papagaj | hello, is there a way of ignoring missing packages when doing apt-get source src1 src2 ... srcN ? |
| 13:05.12 | papagaj | I already tried -m option, but download still stops at the first missing source |
| 13:05.24 | nocte | * |
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| 13:06.24 | Sebi | congrats to the release! :-) |
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| 13:07.19 | zxd | how does upstart differ from sysvinit " Through upstart, we are able to have an event-driven process" what does this mean |
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| 13:09.09 | nocte | papagaj: --ignore-missing |
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| 13:10.30 | Raylz | ha gz guys |
| 13:10.31 | Raylz | finally |
| 13:10.51 | valdyn | zxd: sysvinit just runs scripts in predifined order |
| 13:11.27 | valdyn | zxd: upstart runs scripts if they are needed for the one you actually want to start or triggered by events |
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| 13:12.06 | antii | hmm, installed debian onto my p3 processor but it says i got the SMP kernel, howcome? |
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| 13:12.27 | valdyn | antii: debian just ships smp kernels by default |
| 13:12.30 | abrotman | antii: they all are now |
| 13:12.33 | antii | okok |
| 13:12.34 | antii | thanks |
| 13:12.36 | abrotman | well . except -486 |
| 13:12.39 | valdyn | antii: unless you use the -486 one iirc |
| 13:13.06 | abrotman | stands behind valdyn and copies what he says |
| 13:13.20 | scientes | openbox in lenny doesnt seem to work well with kvm and virt-manager |
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| 13:13.30 | scientes | windows spondaneously move around the screen and nothing has decorations |
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| 13:14.00 | Igneous | wow... do you think it's an openbox thing? |
| 13:14.07 | Igneous | Tried compiling from the upstream ob source? |
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| 13:14.31 | scientes | ok, il stop complaining |
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| 13:15.19 | abrotman | scientes: is openbox actually running ? |
| 13:15.29 | scientes | good question |
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| 13:17.32 | zxd | valdyn, which events? |
| 13:17.40 | s1kx | :S |
| 13:17.44 | scientes | the problem seems to be bit depth settings |
| 13:17.56 | s1kx | for some reason lenny tries to change the mac everytime its rebooted here |
| 13:18.01 | scientes | obRender-ERROR **: Your bit depth is currently unhandles |
| 13:18.12 | s1kx | changed the /etc/udev/net-generator but everytime i do an aptitude update it will overwrite it again |
| 13:18.31 | abrotman | foredeth ? |
| 13:18.37 | Igneous | scientes: what bitdepth are you using? I've run openbox on computers at 640x480x8 |
| 13:18.52 | freal | hi, i'm wondering if anyone can tell me what key is used to sign the MD5SUMS and SHASUMS file in the cdimage archive? |
| 13:18.54 | scientes | its in kvm which uses a generic SVGA adapter |
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| 13:19.03 | scientes | that can run at 24-bit |
| 13:19.15 | Igneous | define it as such in your xorg.conf |
| 13:19.22 | Igneous | don't let xorg do the guessing |
| 13:19.23 | scientes | and its obviously at least 16-bit |
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| 13:19.41 | papagaj | thanks nocte, unluckily it does not work: I tried prepending --ignore-missing before source, after source and before each packagename as well |
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| 13:19.46 | scientes | ok, im just use to auto xorg and havent really learned how to configure it |
| 13:19.48 | Igneous | "DefaultDepth 24" |
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| 13:19.54 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 13:19.58 | papagaj | maybe it's not implemented for source, only for binaries... |
| 13:20.00 | Igneous | in the screens section, I think |
| 13:20.04 | man_in_shack | anyone familiar with schroot? i'm trying to kill some dead session |
| 13:20.09 | Igneous | don't know off the top of my head.. the manual will tell you though. |
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| 13:20.22 | man_in_shack | at least, i think they're dead. i don't know what could still be running in the chroots |
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| 13:21.58 | ilembitov2 | Do I get it right, that Lenny's backports won't get KDE 4.2 packages? |
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| 13:23.30 | abrotman | ilembitov2: maybe later .. |
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| 13:23.46 | Stuckey | Would someone here please tell me the proper way to make an install DVD out of the Stable Lenny .iso file? |
| 13:23.47 | ilembitov2 | I see. Thank you! |
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| 13:23.58 | Assid | heya |
| 13:24.00 | man_in_shack | ah, got it |
| 13:24.07 | Assid | hey lenny is out? |
| 13:24.08 | Assid | sweet |
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| 13:24.50 | Assid | when did it release? |
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| 13:25.01 | ilembitov1 | Another question - does netinst iso include the graphical installer? |
| 13:25.17 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:26.23 | scientes | how do i instal the key signing key? |
| 13:26.41 | scum | Where can I find the guide to switch from Etch to Lenny? |
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| 13:27.01 | man_in_shack | scum, read the channel topic |
| 13:27.34 | Igneous | Why don't people just ride stable? |
| 13:27.58 | Igneous | is there some advantage to following an actual timely release, instead of following one of the rolling ones? |
| 13:28.02 | scum | Wow that realy did not hit the sopt at all. Sure I will kepp on searching myself. |
| 13:28.07 | scum | spot |
| 13:28.08 | Petrov | scum: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-upgrade-from-etch-to-lenny/ |
| 13:28.17 | abrotman | Igneous: lenny is stable ? |
| 13:28.33 | scum | thanks Petrov |
| 13:28.38 | Igneous | abrotman: so lenny repos are "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 13:28.42 | Igneous | or are they "lenny" |
| 13:28.48 | Assid | hey what time did it release? |
| 13:28.59 | scientes | Assid, a number of hours ago |
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| 13:29.04 | man_in_shack | grumbles |
| 13:29.05 | abrotman | Igneous: ah .. i see .. you track the name so that you don't get a rude upgrade when stable changes |
| 13:29.11 | man_in_shack | i have a couple of schroot mounts that won't unmount |
| 13:29.18 | Assid | scientes: hrmm.. well.. i could have helped out during the release party |
| 13:29.23 | nocte | 13:29 -!- mode/#debian [+l 937] by debhelper |
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| 13:29.36 | nocte | how debhelper can modify +l, before a join ? |
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| 13:29.50 | Assid | do you guys need more seeders? on torrent |
| 13:30.02 | Igneous | abrotman: it seems like it would be equally annoying having to upgrade manually.. pretty much the same deal occurs, just changing repos and apt-get dist-upgrading |
| 13:30.09 | Igneous | you're just skipping the changing of repos |
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| 13:30.43 | abrotman | Igneous: problem is that when people don't know that stable has chnaged, and they would end up with a half-etch/half-lenny system where things just don't work well |
| 13:31.21 | Assid | donates 5MB/sec |
| 13:31.27 | hikenboot | where do i go to find the status of this bug 496093 |
| 13:31.34 | Igneous | ..really? how would that work? wouldn't an upgrade upgrade it all to "stable" (i.e. lenny) |
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| 13:32.05 | abrotman | Igneous: not necessarily |
| 13:32.10 | Assid | if you guys need bandwith lemme know |
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| 13:32.20 | abrotman | hikenboot: bugs.debian.org/<bug#> |
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| 13:32.25 | nocte | Assid: i need |
| 13:32.29 | hikenboot | thanks |
| 13:32.44 | Assid | nocte: use the torrent.. ive put up 5M/sec limit on one of the boxes |
| 13:32.47 | Igneous | abrotman: ah.. I wouldn't really know, I've been riding unstable for the last few years.. never had any real issues. |
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| 13:32.52 | Assid | if more is needed.. i will put up more servers |
| 13:33.04 | Igneous | But then again I don't use gnome, and have pretty minimal requirements for my install. |
| 13:33.07 | Igneous | Nothing with 4000 depends |
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| 13:33.34 | abrotman | doesn't see what gnome has to do with it |
| 13:33.56 | d-b | some one tell the people above that http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html |
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| 13:34.01 | d-b | shows sarge as old stable |
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| 13:34.10 | Assid | this is strange.. no one is downloading from my seed |
| 13:34.11 | themill | The perl and dpkg upgrades are the trickiest parts of etch->lenny. |
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| 13:34.36 | pop79 | where can I find the developers area on irc for debian |
| 13:34.42 | d-b | btw ddi they release with some rc bugs ? |
| 13:34.46 | scientes | pop79, #debian-dev |
| 13:34.49 | Assid | looks around.. for people to download off him |
| 13:34.54 | pop79 | thanks |
| 13:35.21 | pop79 | there is noone there |
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| 13:35.32 | abrotman | pop79: why are you looking for them ? |
| 13:35.35 | pop79 | that isn't the right channel |
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| 13:35.45 | pop79 | i need to chat with them on something |
| 13:35.49 | abrotman | yes, what? |
| 13:35.53 | antii | should i change owner of /var/www folder to my user or is it bad? |
| 13:35.56 | d-b | abrotman: who do i tell about the bug in the web interface for bugs.debian.org? |
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| 13:36.15 | abrotman | d-b: hehe .. you can file a bug :) |
| 13:36.21 | prahal | gee there is a bug in debugs , at least in http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and at least for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=424502 which is opened again while it should be closed |
| 13:36.25 | abrotman | the website may not have gotten a push yet .. so it might be out of date |
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| 13:36.47 | d-b | abrotman: no its been pushed for squeeze there + lenny as stable |
| 13:36.50 | geophoenix | where can i see what software is included in DVD ? |
| 13:36.57 | d-b | sarge is being labeled as old stable tho |
| 13:37.06 | abrotman | d-b: file a bug on debian-wwww ? |
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| 13:37.19 | hikenboot | does the netinstaller cd for lenny also contain the new gui installer? |
| 13:37.23 | abrotman | d-b: there is a #debian-wwww on oftc |
| 13:37.29 | d-b | abrotman: will let them know ^^ |
| 13:37.36 | mhymn | www isn't enough?!?! |
| 13:37.36 | abrotman | hikenboot: didn't i tell you uyes before ? |
| 13:37.37 | antii | anyone? |
| 13:37.38 | jelly-home | too many ws, abrotman |
| 13:37.47 | abrotman | he'll figure it out! |
| 13:37.52 | d-b | jelly-home: quick pwn him |
| 13:37.53 | prahal | ah ok d-b you already nailed down the issue :) |
| 13:37.55 | pop79 | im wanting to make a little type of tour for debian, so i want to chat about it |
| 13:38.05 | jelly-home | I wouldn't count on it |
| 13:38.16 | hikenboot | ah so it uses all the same backgroud stuff as the non gui installer thats great thanks! |
| 13:38.44 | abrotman | a little type of tour ? |
| 13:39.22 | prahal | pop79, well it has good support for supsend to ram/to disk that s definitely what I drive me back to it for this netbook |
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| 13:39.48 | pop79 | huh????????????????????????????????/ |
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| 13:40.52 | d-b | prahal: got it ^^ covered |
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| 13:41.30 | pop79 | give me another irc address of another debian based system |
| 13:41.48 | antii | should i have my /var/www folder as root or user? |
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| 13:42.52 | Polleke | antii, it should be readable by your http daemon |
| 13:43.02 | antii | so root? |
| 13:43.35 | Polleke | antii, well, that depends on your httpd |
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| 13:45.54 | Assid | cmon people use my bandwith |
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| 13:47.42 | ___roi | hi |
| 13:47.48 | amitz | I just have to say it: Thank you, finally! |
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| 13:48.16 | ___roi | someone here who knows a decent comparison of major linux distris? |
| 13:48.23 | ___roi | and would like to hand it over to me :D |
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| 13:48.46 | bahadunn | man, I am feeling the squeeze |
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| 13:49.24 | MrMinit | congratulations, guys! |
| 13:49.55 | geophoenix | slaps debian greece mirrors |
| 13:50.38 | man_in_shack | i'm not feeling the squeeze yet |
| 13:50.50 | bahadunn | man_in_shack: why not? |
| 13:50.51 | Igneous | Squeeze? |
| 13:50.59 | bahadunn | Igneous: new testing code name |
| 13:51.08 | man_in_shack | i'm having trouble with my debian chroot |
| 13:51.13 | man_in_shack | *lenny chroot |
| 13:51.26 | Igneous | Squeeze is the upcomming 6.0? |
| 13:51.39 | bahadunn | Igneous: it is the new testing |
| 13:51.45 | Igneous | I'm trying to remember which character Squeeze was |
| 13:51.47 | vonsp | dist-upgrade by completly default setting installs only two packages to upgrade from lenny to squeeze %) |
| 13:51.47 | bahadunn | Igneous: I dont knwo what the version number will be |
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| 13:51.53 | dfighter | upcoming in a few years >;-D |
| 13:52.10 | bahadunn | dfighter: squeeze is out now |
| 13:52.17 | dfighter | I mean for stable |
| 13:52.23 | bahadunn | dfighter: it might not be released until a few years |
| 13:52.31 | dfighter | yea |
| 13:52.33 | dfighter | thats what I said |
| 13:52.35 | dfighter | :) |
| 13:52.40 | bahadunn | I am feeling the squeeze already |
| 13:52.47 | dfighter | heh |
| 13:52.47 | Igneous | yeah... debian's release cycle... |
| 13:52.50 | Igneous | wow |
| 13:53.07 | jamon | Igneous: yeah it's terrific :p |
| 13:53.08 | dfighter | better safe than sorry |
| 13:53.13 | bahadunn | squeeze is nice I must say |
| 13:53.49 | Rockj | Congratulation's with Lenny. |
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| 13:54.13 | vonsp | bahadunn, but it do not show any visible differ from lenny, lol |
| 13:54.21 | bahadunn | vonsp: yeah I know |
| 13:54.29 | geophoenix | where can i see the packge.list of DVD debian lenny ? |
| 13:54.30 | bahadunn | I was going to say squeeze and lenny seem very similar |
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| 13:54.43 | themill | gee... why would that be, I wonder. |
| 13:54.50 | alturiak | testing is still frozen, so no new packages went into testing yet |
| 13:54.57 | bahadunn | themill: it is very strange |
| 13:55.01 | dfighter | bahadunn ofc they are similar |
| 13:55.15 | bahadunn | dfighter: yes of course |
| 13:55.16 | dfighter | if I understand it correctly squeeze = lenny right now |
| 13:55.20 | dfighter | since they just branched it |
| 13:55.25 | bahadunn | dfighter: are my attempts at humor going to high? |
| 13:55.27 | dfighter | since lenny went stable |
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| 13:55.41 | dfighter | it would seem so |
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| 13:55.58 | Igneous | bahadunn: I get them ;) |
| 13:56.07 | bahadunn | my apologies |
| 13:56.08 | vonsp | alturiak, where is possible to know when it will be unfreezed to get a lot of fresh packages? |
| 13:56.09 | webmind | hmm, will there be xen+selinux kernels available btw? or will I have to build those myself? |
| 13:56.13 | dfighter | I'm kinda new here so It might take time for me to get used to what's considered humor around here :P |
| 13:56.15 | geophoenix | nevermind i find it |
| 13:56.28 | Igneous | there is no humor |
| 13:56.30 | Igneous | only debian |
| 13:56.31 | bahadunn | vonsp: it will be unfrozen when it is time to unfreeze it |
| 13:56.36 | bahadunn | vonsp: no sooner and no later |
| 13:57.21 | d-b | !moo |
| 13:57.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 13:57.23 | bahadunn | dfighter: well if you dont know me it would be difficult to get |
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| 13:57.37 | ilembitov1 | Waht is multi-arch? |
| 13:57.38 | ilembitov1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/multi-arch/ |
| 13:57.51 | d-b | ilembitov1: a cd for more than one arch. |
| 13:57.58 | bahadunn | dfighter: those who know me know I have been using debian for some time so when I make such comments they either think I must be really stupid or joking |
| 13:58.00 | dustybin | BLOODY HECK LENNY IS RELEASED?????? |
| 13:58.04 | dfighter | bahadunn, since as I said Im new chances are I don't ;) |
| 13:58.16 | ilembitov1 | d-b: Does it install a hybrid system or something? |
| 13:58.21 | bahadunn | dfighter: nice to meet you by the way |
| 13:58.29 | dfighter | same :) |
| 13:58.42 | bahadunn | Igneous: hybrid what? |
| 13:58.49 | bahadunn | sighs |
| 13:58.53 | d-b | http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch/ |
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| 13:58.55 | bahadunn | ilembitov1: hybrid what? |
| 13:59.11 | bahadunn | juventus vs sampdoria |
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| 13:59.14 | bahadunn | be back in a bit |
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| 13:59.36 | abrotman | ilembitov1: it's a CD that can boot on different architectures |
| 13:59.57 | ilembitov1 | abrotman: but it can install either 32 or 64 bit system? |
| 13:59.59 | d-b | woops wrong wiki link |
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| 14:00.05 | RayTracer | so now I bought a fine new gbit switch, and of course I want to use jumbo frames with it. but it seems that pmtu discovery doesn't work between just two hosts on that switch. any hints on debugging, /proc tweaks, ...? I set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_mtu_probing to 1. |
| 14:00.08 | hailileris | hi guys just wanted to say congrats to all who made lenny 5.0 a reality.. Really cool guys love the work. |
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| 14:01.11 | antii | Any good guide for Samba (Debian/win) ? |
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| 14:03.10 | pookey | hi all - there appears to be a bug in etch to lenny upgrade, the default location of relay logs cahnges, and therefore replication breaks. |
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| 14:03.53 | abrotman | ilembitov1: i believe so .. yes |
| 14:04.19 | ilembitov1 | And for interest, where can I find blu-ray images? |
| 14:04.29 | hailileris | info hailileris |
| 14:04.47 | abrotman | ilembitov1: i don't think they're distributing BD ISOs .. |
| 14:05.03 | Igneous | ffffffff |
| 14:05.10 | abrotman | ilembitov1: or maybe just not built yet ? |
| 14:05.11 | Igneous | we could finally have one consolidated iso with bluray |
| 14:05.24 | abrotman | you do |
| 14:05.32 | abrotman | you just have to use jigdo currently to make it |
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| 14:06.28 | BrianHV | when updating exim4, I chose not to upgrade the configuration file, then found that I needed to. how do I get the choice again? |
| 14:07.03 | scorp6 | BrianHV: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 I guess |
| 14:07.13 | BrianHV | scorp6: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4-config is broken or not fully installed |
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| 14:09.35 | abrotman | BrianHV: if you "dpkg --configure -a" .. anything happen ? |
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| 14:10.07 | BrianHV | abrotman: nothing useful... gives the same error about the config file being wrong |
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| 14:10.43 | BrianHV | I reran update-exim4.conf.template and it seems to be ok |
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| 14:14.53 | Sertse | so quiet? everyone installing? |
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| 14:15.34 | ButterflyOfFire | Congratulations for Lenny ;) |
| 14:15.47 | antii | :d |
| 14:16.26 | haileris | yeah well done guys.. Nice looking Lenny :) |
| 14:16.48 | ButterflyOfFire | I have a little problem when upgrading, it's not really a serious problem but it is about locale en environment |
| 14:17.16 | haileris | ButterflyOfFire: What sort of problem? |
| 14:18.12 | ButterflyOfFire | here is it http://pastebin.com/d656da940 |
| 14:18.18 | DIFH-iceroot | apt-get dist-upgrade with lenny-repos is also installing a new kernel? or is lenny using the kernel from my old system (etch)? |
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| 14:19.11 | d-b | DIFH-iceroot: lenny has 2.6.26, etch has a 2.6.18 kernel, yes it is going to install a new kernel (2.6.26) |
| 14:19.15 | haileris | ButterflyOfFire: Ahh yeah.. it happens like that.. have you installed the locales package? or localepurge? |
| 14:19.30 | ButterflyOfFire | I don't know man :) |
| 14:19.32 | d-b | but untill you reboot you will be on the 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 14:19.35 | DIFH-iceroot | d-b: ok then i cant use lenny on my vserver :( |
| 14:19.41 | monkey_d_luffy | How do I know if a service is set to start when the computer boots up? |
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| 14:19.42 | haileris | ButterflyOfFire: if not ' apt-get install locales' |
| 14:19.55 | ButterflyOfFire | ok haileris I try this right now ;) |
| 14:19.56 | haileris | ButterflyOfFire: then dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:20.11 | haileris | ButterflyOfFire: Select the locales to Generate and make default.. |
| 14:20.28 | haileris | ButterflyOfFire: It will get rid of that annoying diag message |
| 14:20.48 | ButterflyOfFire | okay thanks ;) i'll do it haileris ;) |
| 14:20.49 | haileris | ButterflyOfFire: I recommend using localepurge too.. |
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| 14:21.05 | haileris | ButterflyOfFire: It will clear a lot of uneeded cruft from your machine. :) |
| 14:21.21 | ButterflyOfFire | Okidou :) |
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| 14:22.47 | haileris | monkey_d_luffy: Have you tried installing rcconf? |
| 14:23.01 | haileris | monkey_d_luffy: ncurses based but quite instinctive. |
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| 14:24.34 | Sertse | I'm more a bum or sysv-rc-conf man myself |
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| 14:25.42 | earthnative | vg,'ncijwin 6 |
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| 14:25.43 | haileris | Sertse: Yeah well each to their own :P Doesn't really matter I think. :) |
| 14:25.52 | earthnative | erg. keyboard fail. :( |
| 14:26.02 | haileris | later all |
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| 14:28.20 | yassine | hi everyone |
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| 14:28.50 | yassine | is it a good practice to install guest os over lvm so that one can adjust/extends their sizes later? |
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| 14:29.43 | assasukasse | http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 |
| 14:29.48 | assasukasse | please adjust the topic |
| 14:29.53 | assasukasse | debian 5 is out |
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| 14:30.05 | jamon | assasukasse: please read the topic? |
| 14:30.09 | tarzeau | but when is squeeze released? |
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| 14:30.34 | Wyzard | yassine: I've been using LVM for everything for several years |
| 14:30.37 | assasukasse | ah jamon sorry i noticed only 4.0r7 |
| 14:30.43 | assasukasse | instead i had to scroll :D |
| 14:30.45 | vonsp | tarzeau, when you fix all the 1300 release-critical bugs. |
| 14:30.48 | yassine | debian 5.0 rocks :) |
| 14:30.48 | jamon | ;) |
| 14:31.08 | yassine | Wyzard, is that a "yes" for my question? |
| 14:32.03 | Wyzard | yassine: I suppose, but you mentioned a guest OS so it sounds like you're using virtualization, and I don't know what virtualization technology you're using (some of them are very different from each other) |
| 14:32.22 | yassine | Wyzard, kvm at the moment |
| 14:32.39 | yassine | sorry about missing that "detail" :) |
| 14:32.49 | Rockj | what keyid is 4D270D06F42584E6 |
| 14:32.51 | Rockj | ? |
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| 14:32.59 | Rockj | I seem to miss it when trying to run a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:33.02 | Wyzard | yassine: If the guest needs its own disk "partition" for its filesystem, I'd recommend using a logical volume |
| 14:34.03 | yassine | Wyzard, the plan is to have a small image and once everything is set up and if space is needed one can extend some partition via lvm? |
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| 14:34.56 | Wyzard | yassine: If possible, you want to have your LVs correspond to individual partitions within the virtual machine, not a whole disk (i.e. the LV shouldn't contain a partition table within it) |
| 14:35.24 | spx2 | what's bgp ? |
| 14:35.28 | Wyzard | that way the LV contains just a plain filesystem, which is easy to resize if you use a filesystem type that supports it (such as ext3) |
| 14:35.32 | Wyzard | spx2: a routing protocol |
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| 14:35.42 | kantor | hi |
| 14:35.50 | kantor | I need to set a bigger socket send buffer as define by the wmem_max sysctl, is there a proble if my program sets the wmem_max then sets the socket SNDBUFF to that maximum but at exit leaves the wmem_max as it was set in the program (and doesn't sets back to the linux default) ? |
| 14:35.59 | yassine | ahh okay i got your point so that each partition would have its own LV |
| 14:36.15 | Wyzard | yassine: yes, if possible -- I do that with my Xen system but I don't know what KVM's capabilities are |
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| 14:36.19 | jamon | Rockj: F42584E6 is the lenny stable key, what's the problem? |
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| 14:37.07 | Rockj | jamon: I dont find it on pgp.mit.edu either and it gives me an error on trying to fetch apt-get update |
| 14:37.18 | Wyzard | yassine: If you provide an LV that the virtual machine thinks is a whole-disk device, you have to put partitions within it, which complicates resizing it (you have to repartition *within* the VM too) |
| 14:37.18 | scientes | i like lennys screensaver |
| 14:37.19 | yassine | Wyzard, Xen rocks my next box will tast its flavour i hope |
| 14:37.45 | d-b | scientes: it is the same as etch's isn't it ? |
| 14:37.49 | scientes | yassine, i think kvm is better if your hardware supports it |
| 14:37.53 | Wyzard | yassine: though in that case you could use LVM within the guest too |
| 14:37.55 | scientes | idk, i usually dont do screensavers |
| 14:37.56 | mns | topic |
| 14:38.10 | d-b | the floating debian ? |
| 14:38.33 | jamon | Rockj: pastebin your error(s)? |
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| 14:38.37 | Wyzard | yassine: you'd enlarge the LV in the host using lvresize, then run pvresize in the guest (after rebooting it probably) to make it notice the larger size, and then you have free space to run lvresize in the guest |
| 14:38.39 | spx2 | Wyzard: I could have consulted wikipedia myself,but what is it in short ? do my work for me dammit! |
| 14:38.39 | scientes | d-b, no eth polygons like those cool litle blocks you put together nto 2-D shaes |
| 14:39.21 | d-b | don't have that one ... |
| 14:39.25 | d-b | are you in kde ? |
| 14:39.37 | scientes | making sure its in gnome... |
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| 14:39.43 | scientes | i was in lxde |
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| 14:39.46 | Wyzard | spx2: I don't know a great deal about it, but it's a protocol used by Internet routers to inform each other about availability of communication lines and to choose optimal routes for traffic |
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| 14:40.12 | Rockj | jamon: W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 4D270D06F42584E6 |
| 14:40.18 | d-b | !bgp |
| 14:40.18 | dpkg | i heard bgp is Border Gateway Protocol, or an excellent, and complex external routing protocol, or problematic when the wrong people try to admin it |
| 14:40.49 | Rockj | jamon: made sure to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade with etch in sources.list to make sure it had the key. Maybe my mirror isn't synced? ftp.no.debian.org .. |
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| 14:42.49 | Rockj | jamon: because key is sure not known for my server when I tried changing the entry to lenny. ^^ |
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| 14:44.35 | jamon | Rockj: the update to apt itself will install the key iirc |
| 14:44.49 | Rockj | haven't done so far here.. |
| 14:45.02 | Rockj | what's the command to import the key manually? |
| 14:45.57 | Wyzard | I think it's actually the update to the debian-keyring package |
| 14:45.57 | _heniu | Hi, looking for help on recovering data from ext3 & evms can sombody help me ? |
| 14:45.57 | mirak | hi |
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| 14:45.57 | jamon | Wyzard: debian-archive-keyring you mean? |
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| 14:45.59 | |kos-mos| | hello |
| 14:46.00 | Wyzard | oops, yeah, that one |
| 14:46.27 | teclo- | yeah 5.0 is out... since when ? yesterday around 2200 UTC it was still "the latest version is Debian 4.0r7" on debian.org... so when was 5.0 released ? |
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| 14:47.07 | ButterflyOfFire | Rockj, to upgrade from Etch to Lenny I used debian-multimedia-keyring first |
| 14:47.13 | Wyzard | teclo-: I went to sleep around 0600 UTC and it wasn't announced yet |
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| 14:47.16 | mirak | where are the input devices associated to the KBD handler ? when I do "cat /proc/bus/input/devices" I see my remote input is associated to "kbd event5", so is there a way to get rid of KBD handler ? otherwise when I press key of my remote it's like if I press keys of my keyboard. |
| 14:47.40 | teclo- | Wyzard: ah, thanks for the info |
| 14:47.54 | |kos-mos| | can i use debian 5 live cd in order to install it on a computer? |
| 14:48.02 | teclo- | because you know, Neil McGovern said Feb 14th and he seemed to be very convivnced :) |
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| 14:48.17 | nocte | |kos-mos|: why u could not ? |
| 14:48.50 | neilv | teclo-: debian-announce email went out at about 10:00 utc on the 15th |
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| 14:49.28 | bp0 | how do you find what package installed a specific file? |
| 14:49.45 | asg | bp0: dpkg -S <file> |
| 14:50.03 | teclo- | hm I'm subscribed to debian-devel-announce, not debian-announce |
| 14:50.06 | teclo- | I should fix that |
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| 14:50.28 | Wyzard | hmm... a file that's been partially built with jigdo is suitable for finishing with bittorrent, right? |
| 14:50.29 | |kos-mos| | the live cd is not only a live system? |
| 14:50.37 | ttick | if I've been on 'testing'(lenny), and now I want to be on 'stable' (lenny), what do I need to do? |
| 14:50.39 | bp0 | asg thanks |
| 14:51.13 | nocte | |kos-mos|: the live cd is a live system, u can through this way test the systemn, and if u like it, install it |
| 14:51.16 | Rockj | ttick: simply run a apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude dist-upgrade (or what the equalient command is for aptitude) |
| 14:51.29 | Rockj | but you should probably backup your /etc dir and so on. |
| 14:51.35 | ttick | Rockj: so, apt-get dist-upgrade stable? |
| 14:51.58 | Wyzard | ttick: but read the lenny release notes first |
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| 14:52.08 | Rockj | check Release notes that came with the release of lenny |
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| 14:52.29 | Wyzard | the release notes have directions on upgrading |
| 14:52.29 | ttick | on debian.org I assume? |
| 14:52.32 | Ljudkort | I want to virtualize a small gamingserver (Left 4 Dead), as well as a WIKI. I am thinking about using Virtualbox, or KVM, which one do you suggest? |
| 14:52.45 | Wyzard | ttick: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 14:52.50 | |kos-mos| | nocte: understood, then it's like the live cd of a well-know distro? |
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| 14:52.52 | ttick | thanks |
| 14:53.33 | Rockj | jamon: ButterflyOfFire : weird, etch's debian-keyring should really contain lenny's stable key.. but it doesnt |
| 14:53.45 | Rockj | atleast didn't help to install etch's debian-keyring. |
| 14:53.56 | ButterflyOfFire | humm |
| 14:54.18 | Rockj | I guess I could change sources to lenny and then update the keyring package..but. hmf. :p |
| 14:54.24 | Rockj | what's the command for importing a key again? |
| 14:54.44 | Wyzard | Rockj: I've upgraded a few machines from etch to lenny already and didn't have any problems with keyrings |
| 14:55.25 | Wyzard | Rockj: I got a warning about a key not being available, but none of the packages showed up in aptitude as being unsigned -- maybe they're also signed with etch's key or something; I dunno |
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| 14:56.11 | kmkaplan | Rockj: see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/01/msg00008.html |
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| 14:57.52 | Rockj | Wyzard: kmkaplan : http://rafb.net/p/1fqWxV97.html |
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| 14:58.36 | Wyzard | Rockj: Are you having problems with apt telling you that packages are untrusted? |
| 14:59.21 | Rockj | As it says in pastebin, imported key and still gives the error/warning. |
| 14:59.44 | kmkaplan | You have to import it in apt. |
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| 14:59.57 | ButterflyOfFire | When I did the upgrade from Debian etch to Lenny I changed etch by lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list then I apt-get update then I wget http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/debian-multimedia-keyring/debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16_all.deb after that I had the problem of the Key then I made "gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" xxx is the key then typed "gpg --armor --export xxxxxxxxxxxx| apt- |
| 14:59.57 | ButterflyOfFire | key add -" xxxxxxxx is the key |
| 15:00.08 | ButterflyOfFire | but I don't know if all this is correct or not :( |
| 15:00.08 | kmkaplan | apt-key add filet.asc |
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| 15:00.37 | Wyzard | Rockj: just don't worry about it -- the lack of the new key shouldn't be a problem for your upgrade, and you'll get the new key as part of the upgrade |
| 15:00.46 | Wyzard | Rockj: You don't need to import it manually |
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| 15:02.21 | khaleel5000 | hey guys, YAY ! lenny is out, congracts |
| 15:03.03 | webmind | can't wait for sid to get updated again :) |
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| 15:03.27 | Ljudkort | I want to virtualize a small gaming server, I'm thinking about Virtualbox, or KVM, which do you suggest? |
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| 15:04.00 | tompaw | Hi |
| 15:04.22 | tompaw | How can I debug apache2's problem (etch i686) when it gives me no errors at all? even with loglevel set to debug? |
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| 15:04.33 | tompaw | It goes into background and HANGS. |
| 15:05.03 | khaleel5000 | consider updating factoid wwlr |
| 15:05.42 | |kos-mos| | bye guys |
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| 15:06.34 | Rockj | Wyzard: the apt-key add - was the required part. |
| 15:06.39 | Rockj | Wyzard: someone is still paranoid you see |
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| 15:07.08 | Rockj | or atleast like to figure out why it doesnt work out of the box |
| 15:07.11 | Wyzard | Rockj: I don't see what being paranoid has to do with it |
| 15:07.21 | ButterflyOfFire | Rockj, after that I taped apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:07.31 | ButterflyOfFire | but I still have a problem in locales |
| 15:07.40 | Wyzard | Rockj: The lenny release is signed with the same key that an up-to-date etch is, which you already have -- you don't need the new key for a safe upgrade |
| 15:07.48 | themill | khaleel5000: to what? |
| 15:07.49 | antii | anyone with samba/win? |
| 15:07.53 | Rockj | ButterflyOfFire: yeah, just making sure packages are signed and trusted. |
| 15:07.55 | Wyzard | Rockj: and once you've upgraded, you automatically have the new key for future safe upgrades |
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| 15:08.06 | antii | looking like that when i try smbclient -L //deb -U user, and it seems like i can connect from win but like the password is wrong :| |
| 15:08.34 | Rockj | Wyzard: I probably would have the new key after upgrade, but what if it was bad packages? hijacked code? I just say..WHAT IF ;) |
| 15:08.49 | ButterflyOfFire | paranoid lol |
| 15:08.51 | Rockj | (just to be annoying, there's a reason they are signed ) |
| 15:08.53 | Rockj | :p |
| 15:09.00 | lennard | Rockj: then it wouldnt have been signed with a valid etch key |
| 15:09.07 | lennard | which it was |
| 15:09.23 | Rockj | doesn't hurt to import the key the proper way then? :) |
| 15:09.33 | Rockj | instead of ignoring the warnings? |
| 15:09.34 | Wyzard | Rockj: the lenny release is signed with a key that you *already have* |
| 15:09.37 | kapp | Ljudkort: kvm, we run a quite beefy kvm machine at work that hosts ~30 small machines. it's rock solid! |
| 15:09.50 | lennard | the only warning you received was during the updating of the package list |
| 15:10.00 | Rockj | Wyzard: if I already had it, why did it give me a warning? apt for sure didn't know about it. |
| 15:10.07 | lennard | the packages themselves were signed with the known etch-key |
| 15:10.07 | Wyzard | Rockj: and I would say that the "proper way" to get the key is by upgrading the debian-archive-keyring package, not by importing it manually |
| 15:10.17 | lennard | including the package containing the lenny-key |
| 15:10.22 | Wyzard | Rockj: because it's signed with two keys and apt only knew about one of them |
| 15:10.28 | Rockj | Wyzard: I tried the debian-keyring package from etch.. |
| 15:10.39 | Ljudkort | kapp, awesome, thanks! :) |
| 15:10.41 | Wyzard | Rockj: so it warned you about the one it didn't know, and verified the signatures with the other |
| 15:10.49 | tdn | kapp, what do you use the kvm for? Servers or client machines? |
| 15:11.39 | Rockj | if you ask me, the lenny key could be back-imported into the debian-keyring package in etch? |
| 15:11.41 | Wyzard | Rockj: I was corrected earlier, btw -- the package is debian-archive-keyring, not debian-keyring |
| 15:11.47 | Rockj | ohh |
| 15:11.54 | kapp | tdn: linux servers and a couple of *cough* windows clients :) |
| 15:11.54 | Rockj | so there is a different between em? bummer |
| 15:12.08 | Wyzard | Rockj: As long as you have an up-to-date copy of etch's debian-archive-keyring, your lenny upgrade is safe |
| 15:12.13 | Rockj | *wipes his gpg keys and tries to install that package* |
| 15:12.17 | tdn | kapp, ok. So users log in via Terminal Services or? |
| 15:12.38 | Wyzard | Rockj: and the new lenny key probably will be added to etch's debian-archive-keyring at some point, perhaps for 4.0r8 |
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| 15:13.06 | osFrenchDude1 | where should I go to get some information about dvd::rip, please..? |
| 15:13.20 | Rockj | Wyzard: trying to install etch's debian-archive-keyring now to see if warning goes away. |
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| 15:13.26 | kapp | tdn: yep |
| 15:13.45 | Wyzard | Rockj: it won't get rid of the warning about the lenny key being missing, because it doesn't contain that key, but that's OK |
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| 15:13.48 | tdn | kapp, okay. Do you use Lenny? |
| 15:13.57 | Rockj | Wyzard: I just mean that when there is a new release, the older release's debian-archive-keyring package should be updated with the new release key. |
| 15:14.16 | ttick | what's the new name of 'testing'? Squeeze? |
| 15:14.16 | Wyzard | Rockj: yes, I understood what you meant |
| 15:14.25 | osFrenchDude1 | unless you can help me a little here |
| 15:14.36 | Wyzard | Rockj: but the new lenny key (the one you just imported) isn't really in-use yet |
| 15:15.03 | ButterflyOfFire | My problem is finally solved (I thought it was comming from "locales") but I used : sudo aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude (and everything is ok now) ;) |
| 15:15.08 | Wyzard | Rockj: the lenny release is apparently signed with it, but nobody actually *needs* that key because lenny is also signed with etch's key |
| 15:15.19 | tdn | kapp, I am planning to do something similar in the near future, so I am a bit interested to hear about your hands-on experience with this. Can you tell me what hardware you use and how many clients you host? An maybe what their typical usage profile is? And what Windows version? |
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| 15:15.35 | osFrenchDude1 | In fact I use dvd::rip and I don't have h264. Is it only a problem of codec not installed ? |
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| 15:16.39 | Wyzard | Rockj: apt gives you a big warning when you try to install packages that are unsigned or whose signature can't be verified... unless you get that warning for some reason, you have nothing to worry about |
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| 15:17.25 | kapp | tdn: the host is hardy64, 16GB RAM , servers currently on a mix of etch/hardy, clients windowsxp |
| 15:18.00 | Rockj | Wyzard: if you ask me, even if key is not used yet - it doesn't hurt to import it already? I'm no expert here, but for me it sounds better to get no warnings then warnings ^^ |
| 15:18.41 | Wyzard | Rockj: the key is in lenny's version of the debian-archive-keyring package |
| 15:18.50 | Wyzard | Rockj: After you finish your upgrade, you will have the key |
| 15:18.55 | Wyzard | no need to import it manually |
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| 15:19.39 | thrice` | hi all; i'm having trouble locating a usb-stick version of the netinst installer |
| 15:19.55 | Rockj | Wyzard: I understand that, im just wondering if it's "right"? That you should be given a warning when trying to do such a vital system upgrade. |
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| 15:20.25 | Wyzard | Rockj: The warning is because the lenny release is signed with two keys, either of which is sufficient by itself, and you don't have one of them yet |
| 15:20.33 | thrice` | should I make my own from an iso using syslinux, or do there already exist images geared towards usb-sticks ? |
| 15:20.34 | Wyzard | Rockj: it's harmless, because you do have the other one |
| 15:20.44 | beni- | hi guys. Is there a website where I can download Debian via IPv6, no IPv4? |
| 15:20.45 | Wyzard | Rockj: Stop worrying about it and just upgrade :-) |
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| 15:21.28 | danboid | How big is the Lenny BD-ROM and can you burn blu-ray (data discs) under Debian? |
| 15:22.02 | Rockj | Wyzard: I know I know, just wonder if there would be ways it could be done so you actaully dont get the warning. :p Maybe apt needs an update to not give a warning when package is signed with one of the trusted keys? |
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| 15:22.38 | Wyzard | Rockj: Once etch's keyring package is updated with the new key, the warning won't happen anymore |
| 15:23.00 | ButterflyOfFire | My other problem is with MySQL Server (/etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: Using expire_logs_days without log_bin crashes the server. See README.Debian.gz failed!) I crawling the web to find a solution ;) |
| 15:23.28 | Wyzard | Rockj: btw, apt used to complain about unsigned packages unless *all* the signing keys could be verified, even though just one of them is sufficient -- fortunately that's been fixed |
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| 15:24.02 | Rockj | Wyzard: ohh, that's the answer im looking for. Anyway, next time lets hope the update get's pushed before release maybe? :) |
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| 15:24.11 | Stuckey | Hello, I'm about to install debian on a machine that is to be connected to the internet via PPPoE---is there a way to facilitate an internet connection during installation? |
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| 15:24.17 | Rockj | (I know, im being a picky and a bastard now) |
| 15:25.35 | beardy | Picky bastards makes the world go round. |
| 15:25.47 | ButterflyOfFire | ^^ |
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| 15:26.16 | rohan | The Debian 5.0 desktop is a blend of Gnome 2.20 and Gnome 2.22. ---> is that true? |
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| 15:26.27 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i am looking for an OCR program |
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| 15:26.38 | assasukasse | which one should i use? |
| 15:26.47 | beardy | !ocr |
| 15:26.47 | mhymn | assasukasse: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:26.47 | MJS | yes, rohan |
| 15:26.48 | dpkg | i heard ocr is (Optical Character Recognition) This is the technology that allows computers to "read" the text from physical objects. It requires a graphical representation of text to interpret. This usually comes from a scanned image. see http://jocr.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html |
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| 15:27.11 | Rockj | Wyzard: anyway, guess it's time to go on with the upgrade and enjoy it ^^; |
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| 15:27.58 | rohan | MJS: hmm how so? what part is 2.20 and what 2.22? |
| 15:28.20 | osFrenchDude1 | ,transcode |
| 15:28.42 | MJS | rohan, AFAIK there were some features the Debian Team had seen as too unstable in 2.22 |
| 15:28.46 | rohan | also this is strange - kde is a mix of 3.5.9 and 3.5.10, gnome is a mix of 2.20 and 2.22,.. lol what's going on! |
| 15:28.57 | MJS | but most parts are from 2.22 |
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| 15:29.15 | prahal | assasukasse, tesseract I guess . Otherwise there is gocr, clara and ocrad . I just tried clara and gocr at that time clara was the best one |
| 15:29.27 | Axz | A question about Debian 5, do i need all 5 DVDs to get it installed or are other 4 essential packages |
| 15:29.31 | assasukasse | ocrad doesn't work for me :( |
| 15:29.43 | Wyzard | Rockj: have fun |
| 15:29.43 | MJS | Axz, you only need the first CD/DVD |
| 15:29.58 | Axz | Oke what are other 4 DVDs? |
| 15:30.00 | MJS | Axz, you can download the rest on demand per apt |
| 15:30.05 | beardy | !netinstall |
| 15:30.06 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but which is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 15:30.11 | Axz | yeah thought so |
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| 15:30.16 | Axz | MJS, thanks dude |
| 15:30.16 | MJS | the other 4 are only software packages |
| 15:30.22 | MJS | no problem :) |
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| 15:32.13 | Axz | Does Debian 5 also support ATI HD cards? |
| 15:32.21 | rohan | !ati |
| 15:32.21 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 15:32.39 | Axz | !radeonhd |
| 15:32.39 | dpkg | radeonhd is, like, the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:32.42 | MJS | Axz: the fglrx drivers are running very well on my Ati X1600 Pro |
| 15:32.54 | Axz | MJS, running 4850 here |
| 15:33.01 | MJS | if you do not mind having proprietary drivers, it should be no problem |
| 15:33.11 | MJS | even if it's a bit tricky to install them |
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| 15:33.26 | MJS | hmm... isn't it one of the new cards? |
| 15:33.35 | Axz | well running on Ubuntu at the moment without any problem so it should not be problem on Debian |
| 15:34.03 | Axz | MJS, yeah it new ATI 4850 1GB version |
| 15:34.16 | MJS | hmm ok then it shouldn't be a problem |
| 15:34.22 | Axz | 512 where actually sold out :p |
| 15:34.25 | MJS | https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-9-1-x86.x86_64.run |
| 15:34.31 | ButterflyOfFire | Concerning My MySQL problem it was solved I MySQL-Server is working now. I opened nano /etc/myqsl/my.conf the searched this parameter "log_bin" which is commented by #. I removed the # and restarted MySQL and everything is okay ;) |
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| 15:34.40 | MJS | download this file - it's the driver |
| 15:34.53 | ilembitov1 | What is the best way for making a LiveUSB out of netinstal iso? |
| 15:35.09 | Zambezi | Anyone experienced a problem where the laptop crash when you close the lock (when the laptop is till running)? |
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| 15:35.27 | MJS | ilembitov1, copy the files from the iso image to your USB Stick |
| 15:35.35 | MJS | and install syslinux on it |
| 15:35.45 | themill | MJS, Axz: we don't recommend using the ati driver directly but rather the debian package for it. /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
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| 15:36.13 | antii | hello |
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| 15:36.19 | ilembitov1 | MJS: just copy and run syslinux /dev/sdx ? |
| 15:36.32 | antii | need some help with samba, im on windows and accessing samba (debian) i can read but not write, howcome? |
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| 15:36.44 | lvh | hi |
| 15:36.45 | User420 | Lenny is a big disappointment. |
| 15:36.57 | Axz | themill, and MJS thanks alot i will come back after i installed debian its downloading now, that way i can install it with some perfect help here |
| 15:37.02 | rohan | User420: why? |
| 15:37.13 | themill | rohan: don't feed the troll |
| 15:37.18 | lvh | I'm trying to install lenny from hd-media. It doesn't work. I boot, and I just get 'Boot error' -- nothing else. |
| 15:37.32 | User420 | rohan: Debian crashed on me first time in four years. |
| 15:37.33 | lvh | I think the stick's fine, because it boots on other amd64 boxes. |
| 15:37.59 | lvh | I have a Lenovo Thinkpad X301. any ideas? |
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| 15:38.27 | lvh | Yes, it's trying to boot from the stick and yes usb legacy support is enabled in the bios (and turning it off doesn't help either) |
| 15:39.16 | rohan | themill: ok, but i was curious to know :-s |
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| 15:40.52 | ma3x | im about to backup my debian. should i .tar dev/ or not necessary? |
| 15:40.57 | liable | lvh: what do you mean by boot from the stick? |
| 15:41.09 | lvh | liable: It tries to read from it. The led flashes. |
| 15:41.19 | liable | lvh: shouldnt you use the usb install if you are installing from usb? |
| 15:41.40 | liable | lvh: you installed grub on the usb stick? |
| 15:41.43 | lvh | liable: What do you mean? It is the usb install (hd-media) |
| 15:41.46 | lvh | liable: No. |
| 15:42.06 | lvh | liable: I used the gzipped image, as described in the documentation. |
| 15:42.07 | liable | hd-media is just a kernel and initrd, it needs grub to start it |
| 15:42.16 | jhutchins_lt | Does anyone know of any instructions on restoring the keyspan usb/serial drivers to the 2.6.24 (etch-n-half) kernel? |
| 15:42.32 | jhutchins_lt | I've found files to restore it to etch and sarge, but not etch-n-half. |
| 15:42.39 | lvh | liable: hd-media also has a boot.img.gz, which includes all the niceties, including SYSLINUX for booting. |
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| 15:43.36 | rohan | ma3x: don't |
| 15:43.38 | lvh | liable: (It doesn't have grub, but it does have a boot loader. As I said, it works on another box. I'm looking for specific advice/tips/tricks on getting USB sticks to boot on weird boxes) |
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| 15:43.58 | rohan | ma3x: /dev is dynamically generated |
| 15:44.34 | themill | ma3x: /msg dpkg things to backup |
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| 15:44.58 | shad0w | guys one question on sid now will move to kde4.2? |
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| 15:45.38 | lvh | shad0w: The debian kde team is already packaging 4.2 for sid, but it's not in vanilla |
| 15:45.45 | scum | Does anybody know where I can find the documentation on what to watch out for when switching from etch to lenny on debian.org? |
| 15:45.47 | lvh | shad0w: Similarly they package 4.1 for lenny |
| 15:45.59 | lvh | shad0w: You can find that page on alioth. |
| 15:46.00 | asg | scum: the release notes (see www.debian.org) |
| 15:46.01 | lvh | shad0w: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html |
| 15:46.09 | shad0w | 4.1 for lenny?but it is already on backport |
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| 15:46.29 | shad0w | i thought kde3.5 will remain on testing |
| 15:46.44 | lvh | shad0w: There's a difference between vanilla and the pkg-kde repos. |
| 15:47.06 | lvh | shad0w: If you're sure you want 4.x, they do package it, but it only gets into vanilla experimental or their own repos |
| 15:47.14 | lvh | shad0w: Read the link I gave you. |
| 15:47.36 | Wyzard | scum: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 15:47.47 | lvh | shad0w: It's not in vanilla for a reason. If you want it, they do package it, but you have to jump through an extra hoop. |
| 15:47.54 | p0g0 | lvh: is this the same box that you used to make the usb boot system? |
| 15:47.59 | ma3x | thanks themill |
| 15:48.17 | shad0w | lvh: hmm so need both sid and experimental? |
| 15:48.34 | lvh | p0g0: yes. |
| 15:48.42 | shad0w | but after the new release on stable will they move to kde4.2 to sid? |
| 15:48.45 | lvh | shad0w: Read that page for crying out loud |
| 15:48.49 | themill | shad0w: sid will have kde 4.2 in the next few weeks |
| 15:48.58 | themill | lvh: try answering his actual question. |
| 15:49.10 | shad0w | that was my question thnx themill |
| 15:49.12 | lvh | themill: It's *literally* on that page! |
| 15:49.17 | shad0w | and u too lvh |
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| 15:49.27 | p0g0 | lvi: so much for that notion. I've had good success with the sidux usb stuff, but that's about all I know. |
| 15:49.41 | lvh | p0g0: What, debootstrap? |
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| 15:49.48 | themill | lvh: nowhere on that page does it talk about the kde teams future plans to upload to sid. |
| 15:50.03 | lvh | p0g0: Or does that have a real debian-installer |
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| 15:50.32 | p0g0 | lvh: I'd have to check- the sidux (sidux.com) live cd will install to a usb. That works for me. |
| 15:51.25 | lvh | p0g0: The problem is that I don't *have* a box with a CD at the moment. I suppose I could feed the ISO to VMWare/virtualbox |
| 15:51.39 | p0g0 | lvh: yes, you could do that. |
| 15:52.25 | prahal | lvh, unetbootin |
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| 15:53.00 | th0ger | When will 2.6.28 come for sid? |
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| 15:53.08 | p0g0 | lvh: see also losetup and the loop device stuff, you can boot the iso directly-mount thenchroot. |
| 15:53.22 | p0g0 | * then chroot |
| 15:53.39 | lvh | p0g0: The problem is I've installed this box before (debian-installer testing nightlies), and the stick works on another amd64 box |
| 15:53.39 | noodles^ | what am i doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/m67d6b815 |
| 15:54.11 | themill | Security team release first DSA for the stable lenny.... DSA1725-1 |
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| 15:54.23 | scum | Any catastrophies reported on switching from etch to lenny as for today? |
| 15:54.24 | themill | That only took, what, 10 hours? |
| 15:54.25 | p0g0 | lvh: does your bios have settings for DOS USB support- mine required I enable that before it would boot from a USB |
| 15:54.39 | lvh | p0g0: If that's USB legacy support, I've tried it with both on and off |
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| 15:55.33 | LoloftheRings | Hi all, I tried etch before, but it was unable to connect due wireless driver problems. Will Lenny have the right drivers? |
| 15:55.34 | LoloftheRings | (ubuntu has..) |
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| 15:55.37 | p0g0 | lvh: dunno then, I've been able to boot both amd64 and intel 32 stuff just fine. |
| 15:55.55 | lvh | p0g0: same here |
| 15:56.20 | lvh | p0g0: I'll try manually making a stick |
| 15:56.23 | p0g0 | LoloftheRings: you might mention something about the wifi card and chipset... |
| 15:56.33 | prahal | noodles^, open2: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory at ... I believe either your have reach the max process number or your are really out of memory and swap . |
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| 15:56.58 | noodles^ | prahal ok |
| 15:57.02 | lvh | p0g0: Instead of using the standard image, that is. |
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| 15:57.07 | noodles^ | it's a vps, so :< |
| 15:57.11 | LoloftheRings | p0g0, its a linksys wireless G PCI Adapter, model no. WMP54G |
| 15:57.12 | teamregis | hi everybody |
| 15:57.13 | noodles^ | 128mb |
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| 15:57.46 | teamregis | Is Debian 5.0 a Dom0 host? |
| 15:57.48 | frostschutz | noodles^: no swap? |
| 15:58.03 | Wyzard | teamregis: yes |
| 15:58.18 | lvh | teamregis: Yes, you can use it fne as a first Xen domain |
| 15:58.23 | avu | teamregis, lenny doesn't come with a dom0 kernel, no |
| 15:58.29 | avu | teamregis, you have to build it yourself |
| 15:58.39 | lvh | teamregis: But you would need to make it yourself, as avu said :-) |
| 15:58.41 | Wyzard | avu: yes it does... I tested it last night |
| 15:59.03 | noodles^ | frostschutz no swap |
| 15:59.10 | lvh | Really? Strange, I don't think RC2 did that at least :-) |
| 15:59.17 | p0g0 | LoloftheRings: do you know the chipset- it appear to _not_ be an atheros, and hence, one I'll not know much about. |
| 15:59.24 | avu | Wyzard, huh? so the included a 2.6.18 after all? I find that hard to believe |
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| 15:59.56 | LoloftheRings | p0g0, no idea.. how can I find out |
| 15:59.59 | avu | Wyzard, and I find it just as hard to believe that they included the shady SuSE patches |
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| 16:00.19 | lvh | LoloftheRings: lspci | grep Network |
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| 16:00.51 | p0g0 | LoloftheRings: well, google the explicit model and revision, or the pc id, or look at lsmod when you have the card onboard. |
| 16:00.51 | LoloftheRings | currently at windows.. |
| 16:00.52 | themill | avu: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 16:00.57 | lvh | LoloftheRings: I'm assuming this is a laptop? Did it come with a centrino sticker? |
| 16:01.07 | LoloftheRings | nope, its a desktop |
| 16:01.15 | lvh | LoloftheRings: My Computer > Right click > Properties > Device Manager |
| 16:01.32 | avu | themill, thefuck |
| 16:01.42 | avu | themill, so they really did include those SuSE patches |
| 16:01.48 | Wyzard | avu: linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 works as dom0... I guess they did include the SuSE patch |
| 16:01.50 | themill | "variants of" |
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| 16:02.15 | lvh | avu: 'Quite the same way as Etch. The kernel is 2.6.26, the -xen variant contains patches from SuSE for dom0 support. ' apparently |
| 16:02.19 | avu | I think I just threw up a little in my mouth :) |
| 16:02.26 | avu | lvh, yes, I can read, thank you |
| 16:02.35 | lvh | avu: Why's that? What's so bad about them? |
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| 16:03.59 | Wyzard | hmm, interesting, so apparently I don't need the -xen kernel for domU in lenny |
| 16:04.01 | avu | lvh, it's basically a dead end approach. nothing more than a bunch of hacks to port the 2.6.18 patch to a more recent kernel that novell will surely drop like hot potatoes once the paravirt_ops based stuff is ready |
| 16:04.32 | LoloftheRings | well.. Iĺl just try lenny, I can always use ndiswrapper if the driver doesnt work |
| 16:04.35 | avu | but, well, the debian kernel knows what it's doing I guess :) |
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| 16:04.41 | Wyzard | and that page also explains why my gettys stopped working when I upgraded my domUs to lenny |
| 16:04.46 | lvh | avu: Apparently the debian kernel team disagrees :-p |
| 16:04.54 | p0g0 | LoloftheRings: try a live CD, and see if that works. |
| 16:05.02 | yannf | hello, update to Lenny breaks MRTG, see http://pastebin.ca/1338046 |
| 16:05.04 | lvh | avu: Oh well, as soon as the alternate hipervisor is done, we can drop the patches just like SuSE :-) |
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| 16:05.16 | lvh | s/hypervisor/hypervisor interface/ |
| 16:05.17 | yannf | any idea how to fix that please? |
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| 16:05.23 | LoloftheRings | p0g0, didnt know debian had live cd's :O |
| 16:05.35 | LoloftheRings | thanks anyway |
| 16:05.35 | boodie | OK, you might be fed up with questions regarding it, but I would like to upgrade from etch yo lenny ... dpkg suggests to put into /etc/apt/sources.list all distribution mentions into lenny, then " aptitude update"; "aptitude install dpkg aptitude"; "aptitude safe-upgrade"; "aptitude full-upgrade" ... does it look sound? |
| 16:05.51 | lvh | LoloftheRings: Official, not AFAIK, but plenty of them are debian-based. |
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| 16:05.55 | avu | lvh, yeah, I guess that would be something for lenny 1/2 |
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| 16:07.00 | bzed | boodie: except that I'd just use apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade - yes :) |
| 16:07.03 | themill | lvh: lenny has a live-cd too. check the release announcement |
| 16:07.12 | bzed | boodie: I prefer apt-get over aptitude since years |
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| 16:07.21 | boodie | Question: now lenny is stable ... should I refer to stable in sources.list? |
| 16:07.35 | themill | dpkg: tell boodie about stable sources.list |
| 16:07.46 | thrice` | I am having the damdest time getting a usb-stick to work for installation. do there happen to exist any pre-made .img files ? |
| 16:07.50 | themill | boodie: no, stick with "lenny" and keep using aptitude rather than apt-get. |
| 16:08.10 | lvh | bzed: Same, except dselect |
| 16:08.33 | themill | bzed: aptitude is less likely to have problems with etch->lenny than apt-get. |
| 16:08.37 | beardy | You have all had one long period with Etch learning to use aptitude. Failure to do so will result in a brutal beating from now on. |
| 16:08.47 | boodie | But is aptitude to be upgraded itself? |
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| 16:09.03 | themill | boodie: yes, it can handle that quite happily. |
| 16:09.08 | bzed | themill: aptitude always ran into trouble when I tried to upgrade something |
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| 16:09.20 | bzed | themill: apt-get works well for me since years, even on machines with a lot of packages |
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| 16:09.33 | themill | bzed: probably because you have some funky pinning that caused trouble. |
| 16:09.35 | bzed | themill: so no, I don't believe that aptitude will have less problems. |
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| 16:09.42 | bzed | themill: I have no pinning at all. |
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| 16:09.49 | themill | bzed: how many times have you tried out etch->lenny? |
| 16:09.56 | beardy | gives themill a stick |
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| 16:10.04 | avu | bzed, read the release announcement. even if you prefer apt-get, don't tell other people to use it anymore |
| 16:10.05 | bzed | themill: uh, around 40 |
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| 16:10.31 | avu | bzed, especially not for etch->lenny upgrades |
| 16:10.45 | bzed | avu: I do not care. aptitude is a weird peice of code |
| 16:10.57 | themill | bzed: right -- I've been doing it on a twice weekly basis for over a year now to see how various parts of the upgrade went. There are reasons why aptitude is recommended and reasons why the installer notes tell you to use it. |
| 16:11.10 | troubled | does a little dance, makes a little love and gets down tonight </dance> |
| 16:11.24 | jelly-home | !sing sussudio |
| 16:11.24 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 16:11.25 | boodie | So: 1) change all the references to lenny in the 'sources.list' 2) aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 16:11.25 | troubled | cheers debian |
| 16:11.29 | troubled | heh |
| 16:11.41 | bzed | themill: then we should fix apt-get. |
| 16:11.43 | osFrenchDude | I have a question. Todat is the great day and lenny is released. Does that mean that the former unstable is going to testing..? |
| 16:11.58 | Toast | To any of the devs and contributors here, thanks for the work you put in to get Lenny out. |
| 16:12.09 | bzed | themill: or just dtop both and rewrite it in a sane way |
| 16:12.55 | themill | bzed: no, aptitude is considered to be the better front end. apt-get is left there as *an* example front end that might help you get out of trouble in the same way that dpkg is left exposed rather than being hidden away from view. |
| 16:13.06 | lvh | p0g0: In case you're wondering, I figured it out |
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| 16:13.27 | themill | boodie: looks fine for most people, but make sure you've read the release notes |
| 16:13.35 | lvh | p0g0: my laptop doesn't like it when it doesn't see partition tables |
| 16:13.50 | lvh | p0g0: It wants a primary active partition :-/ |
| 16:13.55 | osFrenchDude | boodie: I'm kinda newb in debian. if I change lenny by testing in my sources.list, that means I'll stay in testing..of course |
| 16:13.56 | Wyzard | aptitude has a few quirks, but I've been using it for several years and it's fine overall |
| 16:14.19 | bzed | themill: unfortunately most sysadmins I know use apt-get and consider aptitude to be broken |
| 16:14.25 | themill | bs |
| 16:14.30 | jelly-home | lvh: nice BIOS... :-( which model? |
| 16:14.40 | lvh | jelly-home: Lenovo Thinkpad |
| 16:14.42 | lvh | jelly-home: X301 |
| 16:14.55 | bzed | themill: sorry, but that's how it is. |
| 16:15.01 | Wyzard | bzed: Are they people who actually have significant hands-on experience with aptitude, or did they try it once and find it confusing and never touch it again? |
| 16:15.03 | lvh | jelly-home: Let's just say I'm not as happy with it overall as I used to be with IBM thinkpads. |
| 16:15.05 | osFrenchDude | ,testing |
| 16:15.07 | themill | bzed: then you hand around with the wrong group. |
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| 16:15.18 | fusselkoordinato | hi |
| 16:15.23 | bzed | Wyzard, themill: they're all DDs since years |
| 16:15.23 | fusselkoordinato | einer da ? |
| 16:15.31 | themill | bzed: there's nothing more or less broken about aptitude than apt-get. |
| 16:15.33 | bzed | fusselkoordinato: du willst nach #debian.de |
| 16:15.34 | avu | !de |
| 16:15.34 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 16:15.51 | Wyzard | bzed: aptitude has been handling my daily sid upgrades for about two years |
| 16:15.52 | jelly-home | lvh: I've seen the blue key stop working on my Z60m if I mess with MBR code; but booting the OS works |
| 16:16.03 | nick4 | What is the package's name that contains glxgears? |
| 16:16.04 | bzed | Wyzard: daily upgrades work well, sure |
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| 16:16.14 | lvh | jelly-home: My last one was a T43p, which was already produced by lenovo but 100% ibm-designed |
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| 16:16.32 | bzed | Wyzard: but as soon as it start to become complicated, apt-get always worked better for me (even if aptitude suggested several things...) |
| 16:16.33 | Wyzard | bzed: and yesterday I upgraded three etch machines to lenny with aptitude |
| 16:16.48 | lvh | nick4: mesa-utils |
| 16:16.53 | nick4 | lvh thank you :) |
| 16:16.59 | lvh | nick4: If you want to figure this out for yourself in the future, use dpkg -S |
| 16:17.19 | gravity | Unless the package isn't installed, in which case you want apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 16:17.21 | jelly-home | bzed: you can coerce aptitude to find a better solution; that just isn't possible with apt |
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| 16:17.27 | Wyzard | bzed: for complex dependency situations, I find aptitude's ability to interactively browse the dependency tree and customize the solution to be invaluable |
| 16:17.32 | lvh | gravity: Ah, yes |
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| 16:17.46 | nick4 | lvh thanks again! |
| 16:18.04 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I have a Z60m too... what's this about the blue button? |
| 16:18.05 | lvh | nick4: you're welcome :-) |
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| 16:18.33 | lvh | I ignore the thinkvantage button to be honest. Xev doesn't see it, so it doesn't exist :-p |
| 16:18.33 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I've always pretty much ignored that button, since all it does afaik is launch the recovery tool at boot time |
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| 16:18.58 | lvh | There's another silly thing about my X301... you cant mute external speakers |
| 16:18.59 | jelly-home | Wyzard: overwriting mbr breaks that functionality |
| 16:19.00 | Wyzard | same here |
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| 16:19.15 | bzed | Wyzard: in most of the cases I'd have to use something like that, apt-get jsut presented me the right thing, while aptitudes first suggestion was to remove 50% of the system |
| 16:19.37 | lvh | You can put them on 0%, but you can't mute them. Also, the mute button on the keyboard does nothing. Same goes for the volume up/down buttons |
| 16:19.52 | Wyzard | jelly-home: hmm... it still works for me with grub installed |
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| 16:20.00 | lvh | bzed: Strange. I don't use aptitude myself, but I've never had that happen the few times I did. |
| 16:20.00 | gravity | bzed: aptitude in interactive mode is much better. It only tends to behave badly when you use apt-get extensively |
| 16:20.13 | S-i-A | hi |
| 16:20.27 | gravity | bzed: Usually as a result of doing weird things with local packages and pinning |
| 16:20.42 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I've left the recovery partition untouched in the partition, still in slot 2 (even though it means my partitions are out-of-order) |
| 16:20.49 | Wyzard | *in the partition table |
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| 16:21.31 | bzed | gravity: aptitude should handle that then. (and no pinning involved) |
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| 16:21.42 | gravity | shrugs |
| 16:21.49 | jelly-home | Wyzard: hm, that might be it. Mine's sda4 now. |
| 16:21.54 | lvh | gravity: true, but a lot of people are nostalgic and as soon as the new tool fails and the old one doesn't, they're quick to write off the old one as being bad (I'm not saying if that's a fair assessment or not) |
| 16:22.05 | gravity | bzed: Telling it not to remove things while in interactive mode is usually the best way to solve such problems in my experience. |
| 16:22.19 | gravity | lvh: Right |
| 16:22.56 | th0ger | I heard than when lenny goes stable, sid upgrades to kernel 2.6.28. When will it happen? |
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| 16:23.16 | osFrenchDude | given that I've been using lenny for 2 months, and that lenny is now released -- what do I have to do to remain in testing ? |
| 16:23.21 | gravity | bzed: For what it's worth, aptitude usually has good reason for wanting to remove something. Using interactive mode you can trivially explore what those reasons are. apt-get doesn't make that easy. |
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| 16:23.37 | gravity | dselect made it do-able, but it's lacking compared to aptitude |
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| 16:24.12 | Wyzard | dselect is ancient |
| 16:24.26 | gravity | And dead, aiui |
| 16:24.37 | th0ger | osFrenchDude: specify 'testing' (or squeeze) in your sources |
| 16:24.37 | bzed | gravity: yeah, that's true of course - but with apt-get I rarely run into the situation, also it behaves *much* better on slow machines, so I never had a real reason to use aptitude |
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| 16:25.11 | osFrenchDude | th0ger: and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
| 16:25.23 | Wyzard | bzed: The main reason I originally switched to aptitude was for its "auto" flags, making the distinction between a package that's installed because I specifically want it, and one that's installed just to satisfy dependencies |
| 16:25.35 | Wyzard | bzed: so that packages can be automatically removed when nothing depends on them anymore |
| 16:25.38 | bzed | Wyzard: apt-get is able to do that now, too |
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| 16:25.40 | th0ger | osFrenchDude: yes. |
| 16:25.59 | person | I don't seem to be able to update my mpd library with ario or sonata... why might that be? |
| 16:25.59 | Wyzard | bzed: I know... I'm glad it's no longer aptitude-specific |
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| 16:26.16 | osFrenchDude | th0ger: and everything is gonna be correctly handled ? |
| 16:26.16 | bzed | Wyzard: although debfoster and deborphan always worked well... |
| 16:26.25 | th0ger | osFrenchDude: should be |
| 16:26.28 | OPEN-SOURCE | Hi, i would like to know about an app for edditing animated gifs easylly in linuxm thanks |
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| 16:26.33 | person | I can connect to mpd though |
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| 16:26.58 | person | Ha-ha! |
| 16:27.01 | th0ger | osFrenchDude: perhaps aptitude full-upgrade, im not sure |
| 16:27.02 | ewet | hi, why is this? http://pastebin.com/m53aca324 |
| 16:27.23 | ewet | i fail to see different values for volatile and volatile-sloppy... |
| 16:27.30 | Wyzard | bzed: I used debfoster together with apt-get, but I prefer aptitude's way of handling it (integrated into the interactive tool, rather than just asking about a long list of packages one at a time) |
| 16:27.34 | bzed | OPEN-SOURCE: gimp-gap - an extension to gimp... that's what I'd use |
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| 16:28.30 | OPEN-SOURCE | bzed: thanks |
| 16:28.46 | Bravewolf | Is there any reason to use netinst instead of businesscard? |
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| 16:29.15 | bzed | Bravewolf: if you need packages to get your network running for example |
| 16:30.02 | OPEN-SOURCE | Could I know what is the usually politically ideology in debian developers? |
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| 16:30.19 | dfighter | o.x |
| 16:30.34 | Bravewolf | bzed: what do you mean? packages include in netinst and not in businesscard (I could guess pppoeconf). |
| 16:31.04 | bzed | Bravewolf: I didn't look in the list, but yeah, I guess that's not on the business card for example (I'm not sure though) |
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| 16:31.27 | bzed | OPEN-SOURCE: no. |
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| 16:32.29 | OPEN-SOURCE | bzed: I instally gimp-gap, but gimp seems to edit only one frame, first |
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| 16:33.34 | bzed | OPEN-SOURCE: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Advanced_Animations/ |
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| 16:33.41 | Bravewolf | bzed: ok, thank you for answert |
| 16:33.45 | Bravewolf | *answer |
| 16:33.55 | yannf | hello, update to Lenny breaks MRTG, see http://pastebin.ca/1338046 |
| 16:33.57 | yannf | any idea how to fix that please? |
| 16:34.41 | bolder | hello @ all , i am a beginner in linux and like to install debian/etch hmm stable whats kind of it i need dont know? |
| 16:35.11 | Wyzard | jelly-home: actually, taking another look, I'm not sure whether the ThinkVantage button is working for me... it gets the "startup interrupt menu" where I can choose a different boot device or to go into the BIOS setup, but I don't remember how to get to the recovery tool |
| 16:35.23 | Wyzard | bolder: You should install lenny, not etch |
| 16:35.30 | Wyzard | bolder: It was released yesterday so it's new and shiny :-) |
| 16:35.42 | bolder | howto get it with wget -c |
| 16:36.04 | bzed | bolder: since today, lenny is the stable version. |
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| 16:36.15 | Wyzard | bolder: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 16:36.54 | valdyn | !info mrtg etch |
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| 16:37.22 | dpkg | mrtg: (multi router traffic grapher), section net, is extra. Version: 2.14.7-2 (etch), Packaged size: 507 kB, Installed size: 1308 kB |
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| 16:38.01 | valdyn | yannf: did you read the changelog? |
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| 16:38.56 | valdyn | yannf: did your upgrade complete properly? |
| 16:39.10 | osFrenchDude | given that I changed my sources list with squeeze instead of lenny where possible, should I get a lot of upgrades ?? |
| 16:39.23 | valdyn | osFrenchDude: none |
| 16:39.25 | Wyzard | osFrenchDude: no, squeeze is the same as lenny right now |
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| 16:39.52 | osFrenchDude | Wyzard: and gonna change slowly but smoothly |
| 16:39.54 | Wyzard | osFrenchDude: The difference is that squeeze *will* get new packages, whereas lenny won't |
| 16:40.04 | valdyn | osFrenchDude: sid doesnt even have many changes yet, i guess |
| 16:40.07 | osFrenchDude | Wyzard: lenny is "freezed" |
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| 16:40.38 | valdyn | osFrenchDude: at leat by far not as many as it will have after all the stuff thats suitable for sid from experimental will be on |
| 16:41.12 | Wyzard | valdyn: that sentence hurts my head |
| 16:41.13 | bolder | i hope its the right one way >>> wget -c http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:41.14 | osFrenchDude | why are we talking about sid ?? |
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| 16:41.41 | valdyn | osFrenchDude: sid feeds squeeze |
| 16:42.05 | Wyzard | bolder: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, you only need the businesscard or netinst CD (which are very small), not the full CD set (which is very large) |
| 16:42.12 | yannf | valdyn, yes, upgrade completed fine |
| 16:42.18 | osFrenchDude | valdyn: aaahhh okkkaaayy. thank you |
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| 16:42.24 | stuckey | Hello |
| 16:42.31 | gmap | Hey its me again, still didn't figure out how to install iceweasel. here is a screenshot this time. http://i41.tinypic.com/2h3uceq.png |
| 16:42.39 | Wyzard | bolder: A businesscard or netinst install will download during installation, only the packages that you actually need, which is far less than the full CD set containing all available packages |
| 16:42.51 | bolder | Wyzard: it's the big one a prob ? |
| 16:42.59 | khaleel5000 | hey guys, which DVDiso has kde4 ? |
| 16:43.04 | khaleel5000 | of lnenny |
| 16:43.06 | khaleel5000 | lenny* |
| 16:43.18 | jhutchins_lt | There has to be a way to make just one module in a kernel tree instead of having to do make modules for the whole batch. |
| 16:43.21 | Wyzard | bolder: It's unnecessary load on the cdimage server downloading many gigabytes of software that you'll never actually install |
| 16:43.22 | stuckey | I'm having some trouble with an internet connection. I installed debian with the "install modules=ppp-udeb" boot option, which allowed me to confifure a pppoe connection (which worked during the install) but now it doesn't work when I boot the machine. |
| 16:43.26 | stuckey | Could anyone offer me some help? |
| 16:43.48 | valdyn | gmap: so your sources.list is still fucked? or you already upgraded individual packages higher than whats available according to your sources.list |
| 16:44.15 | Wyzard | bolder: and if you download the CD images, it's inconvenient for you because there are over 30 of them |
| 16:44.33 | Wyzard | the full CDs, that is |
| 16:44.42 | jhutchins_lt | There has to be a way to make just one module in a kernel tree instead of having to do make modules for the whole batch. |
| 16:44.47 | bolder | need i all of them 30? |
| 16:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | Oops, sorry. |
| 16:45.17 | gmap | valdyn here is my sources.list http://i39.tinypic.com/25owfux.png |
| 16:45.23 | Wyzard | bolder: no, not unless you need to be able to install things in the future without having an Internet connection |
| 16:45.35 | Wyzard | bolder: otherwise, apt can download packages on-demand |
| 16:45.39 | valdyn | gmap: ok, that sources.list is indeed fucked up |
| 16:46.00 | valdyn | gmap: stable is lenny, but you have etch sources too, why? |
| 16:46.01 | gmap | :( |
| 16:46.17 | valdyn | gmap: didnt we tell you already that you cant mix release names like that? |
| 16:46.19 | scum | So did I see right? dist-upgrade did just make an nvidia driver for me. |
| 16:46.19 | gmap | just googled around and found a bunch of sources to put in there |
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| 16:46.28 | valdyn | gmap: change every etch to lenny and every stable to lenny |
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| 16:47.07 | valdyn | gmap: and uh, just remove the first 2 lines |
| 16:47.10 | bolder | hmm ok i will use the light version and do the rest with apt |
| 16:47.14 | yannf | valdyn, i don't see anything related in the chanlog, but... |
| 16:47.22 | yannf | *ge |
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| 16:48.35 | valdyn | yannf: whats in the error log? |
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| 16:49.00 | gmap | valdyn your genious! thanks :) |
| 16:49.15 | valdyn | gmap: why? did that fix things already? |
| 16:49.19 | gmap | yea |
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| 16:50.32 | valdyn | yannf: mrtg has issues with missing dependencies |
| 16:50.38 | valdyn | yannf: i dont see your specific bug though |
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| 16:51.00 | LamerC | Hello. I'm getting an error and I don't know how to fix this yet. E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occurred while processing gnome-icon-theme (NewFileVer1) |
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| 16:51.09 | valdyn | !dynamic mmap |
| 16:51.09 | LamerC | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 16:51.09 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 16:51.12 | woden | Anyone know what is the name of the default mouse theme for GNOME? |
| 16:51.15 | valdyn | LamerC: ^^^^^ |
| 16:51.21 | ewet | concerning my apt-cache problems: are these http://sprunge.us/ASXY typical values for apt-cache stats? |
| 16:51.28 | LamerC | thanks |
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| 16:51.55 | valdyn | !lastlog yannf |
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| 16:51.57 | valdyn | gah |
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| 16:52.33 | LamerC | but, I have directory apt.conf.d, instead of a file apt.conf |
| 16:52.43 | LamerC | can I just create the file in the directory? |
| 16:53.03 | LamerC | like 01mmap |
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| 16:53.17 | LamerC | oops, already answered, sorry |
| 16:53.29 | valdyn | yannf: so you most likely miss some package, but i can see anything about that in what you pasted |
| 16:53.39 | yannf | valdyn, missing dependencies? this could explain that, but which ones? |
| 16:53.40 | valdyn | yannf: *cannot* |
| 16:53.53 | valdyn | yannf: nothign else is logged than what you pasted? |
| 16:53.58 | yannf | no |
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| 16:55.49 | ewet | please anyone? |
| 16:55.58 | ilaiho | what is the best way to keep a number of workstations up-to-date |
| 16:56.00 | subsume | Where on earth is MySQL's error log in debian? /var/log/mysql.* are empty. |
| 16:56.07 | valdyn | yannf: is mrtg-contrib installed? |
| 16:56.07 | ilaiho | they are not always on |
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| 16:56.35 | jhutchins_lt | ewet: They look plausible to me. Have you pastebinned your sources file? |
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| 16:57.20 | ewet | jhutchins_lt: i will |
| 16:57.21 | yannf | valdyn, yes, but just in case, I reinstalled mrtg and mrtg-contrib |
| 16:57.24 | vedant | hi, when will testing be updated to the 2.6.28 kernel? it's going to be almost 2 months since 2.6.28 was released |
| 16:58.36 | Wyzard | vedant: testing has been in freeze for the past few months in preparation for the lenny release, which occurred last night |
| 16:58.37 | icebrain | vedant: testing was on code freeze till just now |
| 16:58.41 | ewet | jhutchins_lt: http://sprunge.us/jRWf and preferences http://sprunge.us/DLFZ |
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| 16:59.06 | Wyzard | vedant: note that even sid doesn't have 2.6.28 (also related to the lenny freeze) |
| 16:59.16 | valdyn | yannf: monitoring squid? |
| 16:59.22 | vedant | I know testing was on freeze, I was patiently waiting for lenny to be released so that the free would go |
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| 16:59.40 | vedant | s/free/freeze |
| 16:59.43 | yannf | valdyn, squid, apache |
| 16:59.51 | yannf | valdyn, howto downgrade mrtg to an old version? |
| 16:59.52 | valdyn | yannf: google for your errors |
| 17:00.08 | valdyn | yannf: i dont know anything about mrtg, but your error is configuration related |
| 17:00.12 | vedant | as lenny is released now, by when will new packages trickle in? |
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| 17:00.28 | scum | Help, dist upgrade and myself can not stop the mysql process |
| 17:00.38 | Wyzard | vedant: well, freeze is over (or will be soon if it isn't yet) but it's up to the kernel maintainers to actually prepare and upload a 2.6.28 package |
| 17:01.02 | jhutchins_lt | ewet: They look reasonable to me but I'm by no means an apt expert. What's your symptom? |
| 17:01.03 | Wyzard | vedant: Maybe they have one already waiting to upload, or maybe they were working on lenny stuff and haven't even started packaging 2.6.28 yet |
| 17:01.14 | valdyn | yannf: and that googling is telling me that: your config should point to Squid's mib.txt (comes with Squid). |
| 17:01.27 | yannf | this is my bug report, submitted 2 hours ago, already on Google ;) http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist%40lists.debian.org/msg613617.html |
| 17:01.29 | scum | Think I got it thanks |
| 17:01.43 | vedant | Wyzard: so it can take much more than a couple of days. thanks, that's all I wanted to know. :) |
| 17:01.52 | scorp6 | 2.6.28-1~experimental.1~snapshot.12803 |
| 17:02.00 | Wyzard | vedant: could be just a few days, or could be weeks or more |
| 17:02.03 | jintxo | argh, location of smtpd.conf for saslauthd authentication changed! took me a while to figure out. |
| 17:02.07 | scorp6 | on http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net |
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| 17:02.19 | gmap | does debian use xinit or xsession |
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| 17:02.29 | vedant | Wyzard: please don't say weeks.. :P |
| 17:02.30 | Wyzard | scorp6: that's good -- looks like they've done some work on it already |
| 17:02.51 | ewet | jhutchins_lt: oh - to make a long story short: whenever i call apt-cache policy the whole system goes down (process isn't nice) and all memory is used - disabling swap accelerates the process ;-) |
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| 17:03.55 | Wyzard | It's interesting to watch the download speeds of my lenny torrents in transmission... they're bouncing between 12kB/sec and 1.5MB/sec |
| 17:03.59 | khaleel5000 | since kde4 is availale as backports of leny, it means no official dvd of lenny will contain them and one has to download them from net right? |
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| 17:04.21 | jhutchins_lt | ewet: What I would do would be to remove any existing cache and file lists and rebuild them. |
| 17:04.22 | ewet | jhutchins_lt: until today I thought it only happens with my locale (de_DE.UTF-8) but now i know it also happens with default locale as well :-/ |
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| 17:04.49 | valdyn | yannf: its entirely possible that the bug is in squid not having the mib.txt or whatever file at the wrong place or not at all |
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| 17:06.55 | valdyn | yannf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317813 |
| 17:07.05 | elirips | Hello. anyone has a hint for a tool, that allows me to draw the structure of a relational database? like the tables, their keys, relationships between tables, foreign keys, and so? |
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| 17:07.45 | vinc456 | elirips: i once used a program called smartdraw for a one-off assignment, it's for windows though |
| 17:07.57 | Wyzard | elirips: GNU Dia aims to be a clone of MS Visio, but I don't know how good it is |
| 17:08.26 | jintxo | if you're using postfix + saslauthd in etch and you upgrade to lenny, you need to change locaton of /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf to /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf (ops may want to take note to make a dpkg help item in the channel) |
| 17:08.55 | subsume | Where do MySQL errors go? I am not seeing complete errors in syslog. |
| 17:09.04 | ewet | jhutchins_lt: i am quite confused about the structure of apt related files and caches. do you have any information about that. |
| 17:09.33 | elirips | Wyzard, vinc456: thanks, I'll try dia. I tried with kivio, but it hasnt the shapes i need.. at last i still should have visio installed in win |
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| 17:09.51 | jhutchins_lt | ewet: No, I'm an RPM guy. I would suspect something under /var/(cache/) |
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| 17:09.54 | mhymn | elirips: graphviz, and also consider /msg dpkg search |
| 17:10.31 | ewet | jhutchins_lt: okay thank you anyway :-) |
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| 17:10.53 | elirips | mhymn: thx, i'll look at that too |
| 17:11.01 | EUShells | Hey - how can I know for sure, that grub is properly installed? For some reason I had both grub and lilo installed at the same time |
| 17:11.15 | EUShells | now I removed lilo, but to make sure, that grub is really installed, so the box will reboot (its a remote machine) |
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| 17:13.02 | cahoot | EUShells: you could try dd if=/dev/<dev> count=1 | strings - GRUB should turn up - no guarantees it's working though |
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| 17:13.27 | EUShells | the weird thing is, in /boot/grub, there's no menu.lst - I believe there should be, right? |
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| 17:13.49 | Raylz | hi ive just made a bootable usb stick with unetbootin and lenny |
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| 17:14.05 | Raylz | when i boot it i have a prompt: |
| 17:14.07 | Raylz | boot: |
| 17:14.13 | Raylz | what should i write in there? |
| 17:14.33 | ewet | jhutchins_lt: just out of curiosity: rpm on debian? |
| 17:14.33 | EUShells | cahoot, it mentions both lilo and grub, heh |
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| 17:14.53 | cahoot | hitting enter doesn't do the job? Raylz |
| 17:15.13 | Raylz | cahoot: im redirected to a gray screen |
| 17:15.24 | cahoot | EUShells: ok - this is way out of my league |
| 17:15.35 | Raylz | it says press tab to edit options |
| 17:15.39 | gpr | EUShells: why not reinstall grub , try grub-install |
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| 17:15.57 | jelly-home | EUShells: [mentions both lilo and grub] that's ok for grub. |
| 17:16.10 | EUShells | okay thanks - the thing is, if it doesn't boot again, hts pretty bad |
| 17:16.19 | EUShells | but again - I need the menu.lst file, for grub to boot the os properly, dont I? |
| 17:16.25 | jelly-home | EUShells: yes, |
| 17:16.37 | EUShells | shouldn't it like automatically create the file? :D |
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| 17:16.47 | Raylz | cahoot: any ideas? |
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| 17:17.12 | LamerC | Hello again. One more thing is something wrong with debian repositories. The package manager is telling me that there are 196 updates. I just updates several days again and there were only 3 then. |
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| 17:17.34 | file-exists-p | my (non-powered) usb hup make my PC wakeup after 3s of suspend ... |
| 17:17.36 | file-exists-p | any idea ? |
| 17:17.38 | Wyzard | LamerC: lenny was released last night |
| 17:17.52 | Wyzard | LamerC: If your sources.list points to "stable", you're now seeing an entirely new release, not just updates to etch |
| 17:17.55 | jelly-home | EUShells: did it install properly? Run update-grub if menu.lst is missing. |
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| 17:18.16 | EUShells | ah yer - already on it |
| 17:18.19 | beni- | hi. is there a possibility to list all installed packages with aptitude? |
| 17:18.25 | EUShells | seems to do the trick - forgot it was update-grub, not grub-something :) |
| 17:18.30 | avu | beni-, aptitude search '~i' |
| 17:18.42 | LamerC | oh, okay :). Hopefully the update will go smooth then. |
| 17:18.44 | EUShells | thanks you too - this must be it |
| 17:18.52 | ewet | jhutchins_lt: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,2G 15. Feb 18:17 /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin this does look out of place :-/ |
| 17:18.59 | Wyzard | LamerC: read the release notes -- they have directions on how to upgrade properly |
| 17:19.18 | Wyzard | LamerC: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 17:19.45 | jelly-home | ewet: move it away and run "aptitude update" again |
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| 17:21.23 | jhutchins_lt | ewet: That might be one of the ones to clear. |
| 17:21.36 | jhutchins_lt | ewet: back it up, delete it, see what you get. |
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| 17:21.45 | jhutchins_lt | ewet: what happens when you apt-get update? |
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| 17:21.54 | ewet | jelly-home, jhutchins_lt: already doing... wonder how that could happen... |
| 17:22.02 | bonez451 | I want to move my mail server.. exim4/postfix with mutt over to another ubuntu box on my home LAN. and I want to move Mailman and several lists it manages over to the same box... so that I can reformat and then install ubuntu on said box. it's running etch right now.. what's the best way to move these things? |
| 17:22.24 | ugly | I have GNOME's power management prefs set to blank my laptop's screen when I close the lid, but when doing so it remains lit. What could be causing this? (Dell laptop) |
| 17:22.56 | ewet | jhutchins_lt: well the new one is again that big :-/ |
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| 17:24.13 | valdyn | ugly: "radeontool light off" not being run by whichever stupid script |
| 17:24.41 | ewet | i lag 6s |
| 17:24.43 | jhutchins_lt | crap, invalid module format. |
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| 17:25.14 | stuckey_ | Hello, I'm having some trouble with getting my internet connection to come up automatically. I have to go to the terminal and restart networking and then bring up eth0 with ifconfig (or the reverse order) so that the internet connectino works. Could anyone here offer me some help? |
| 17:25.19 | jelly-home | ewet: do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/? pastebin the full output of the update process. |
| 17:25.23 | ugly | valdyn: it has an Intel graphics chipset |
| 17:25.26 | jhutchins_lt | ewet: I don't think it's the size, I suspect corruption. What was happening with apt-get update before you moved the fiel? |
| 17:25.28 | EUShells | I just rebooted the box - booted like a charm :-) |
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| 17:26.09 | Davedan | can I run a script automatically when a package is being installed using dpkg? |
| 17:26.17 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, when I make modules with the kernel.org tree, I get <module>.o instead of <module>.ko, and it won't load if I rename it. |
| 17:26.53 | ewet | jhutchins_lt: in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ there is only one file: apt-build |
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| 17:27.25 | jelly-home | ewet: and the contents thereof? |
| 17:27.32 | beni- | avu: thank you |
| 17:27.38 | ewet | jelly-home: empty |
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| 17:29.23 | gmap | after installing packages, they are not recognized as bash commands |
| 17:29.33 | jelly-home | ewet: comment out all nondefault deb lines (basically, keep line 6 and 7, and comment everything else), remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin again, run an aptitude update again. |
| 17:29.42 | gmap | for example apt-get install php5 installed. but when I do php -v bash says its not a command |
| 17:30.10 | chuck | how do I upgrade to lenny if I'm currently using etch-backports for some packages |
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| 17:30.18 | jelly-home | ewet: also clean up the files in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 17:30.37 | Wyzard | chuck: There's a section on that in the release notes |
| 17:30.58 | ewet | jhutchins_lt: apt-get update output: -- shit sprunge sent an empty reply :-( -- so I don't know |
| 17:31.07 | ewet | jelly-home: okay |
| 17:31.50 | jelly-home | ewet: you could also check the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists before rm-ing to see if there's anything immediately suspicious in size |
| 17:31.58 | gpr | has anyone updated etch amd64 xen to lenny? how it went? |
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| 17:32.36 | Wyzard | gpr: I upgraded some i386 Xen domUs to lenny, FWIW |
| 17:32.59 | Wyzard | gpr: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen has some notes that are worth reading |
| 17:33.07 | chuck | is there any way to list installed packages from a certain source? |
| 17:33.22 | chuck | i just want to list all of the packages I have installed from backports |
| 17:33.32 | gpr | Wyzard: did you have to change domU conf files, like disk names do somethig? |
| 17:33.57 | Wyzard | gpr: All I changed in the guests' config is which kernel gets booted |
| 17:34.15 | ewet | jelly-home, jhutchins_lt: okay heres what i did: i removed everything but lock and partial in /var/lib/apt/lists and deleted /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin, ran apt-get update and noe apt-cache policy is doing fine |
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| 17:34.24 | hd|3 | hi |
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| 17:34.39 | Wyzard | gpr: My domUs are still using the -xen kernel, because I hadn't yet read that wiki page and learned that it's not necessary (dom0 needs the special -xen kernel but the normal kernels work as domU thanks to paravirt_ops) |
| 17:34.39 | hd|3 | how do I force the loop NOT to exit when killall fails in "while true; do killall apache2 ; done"? |
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| 17:34.51 | Mimi | Rolling release means I never have to burn a new CD when there's a new release right? If I always want to be in Unstable, I will stay in Unstable, right? Sorry I |
| 17:34.55 | Mimi | 'I'm kinda slow xD |
| 17:34.58 | ewet | jelly-home, jhutchins_lt: however the new /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin is only 9Mb big |
| 17:35.14 | jelly-home | ewet: that's a normal size. |
| 17:35.26 | ewet | jelly-home: is suspect so |
| 17:35.31 | jhutchins_lt | can anybody tell me how (or point me to a howto) for building a single kernel module? The only source I can find is the kernel.org tree. |
| 17:35.38 | gpr | Wyzard: thanks, I have understood that domU now sees disk not like sd[abc] but xdc or something? |
| 17:35.43 | Wyzard | gpr: and console logins in my domUs (via "xm console") don't work because I haven't yet done the hvc0 thing mentioned on that page |
| 17:35.43 | Gnu_Raiz | any site to determine how hard the mirrors are hammered for Lenny? |
| 17:36.03 | Gnu_Raiz | debating if I should upgrade, or wait a few days. |
| 17:36.07 | teratoma | you have weird fetishes |
| 17:36.11 | ewet | jelly-home: i am deleting the old /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and the /var/lib/apt/lists.old directory now is that okay? |
| 17:36.19 | jelly-home | ewet: sure. |
| 17:36.22 | cahoot | jhutchins: module-assistant doesn't offer the needed module? |
| 17:36.37 | Wyzard | gpr: dunno about that... I have LVM volumes mapped to partitions in the guests, so I'm specifying names like "sda1" in the config file, and that continued to work fine |
| 17:36.56 | ewet | jelly-home: how could pkgcache.bin become so big any idea? |
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| 17:37.01 | teratoma | hd|3: what are you trying to do |
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| 17:37.25 | hd|3 | teratoma: my vserver has problems with RAM again (hoster is overselling :X) |
| 17:37.30 | hd|3 | I try to kill apache |
| 17:37.33 | swolchok | I've been running lenny all along. I have lenny pinned at 900 and unstable pinned at 800 in /etc/apt/preferences, which I thought was supposd to make apt prefer lenny. When I run safe-upgrade, it's fetching a ton of unstable packages |
| 17:37.39 | gpr | ok, I have read about hvc0 change, disk renaming is confusing. but it seem to worl old way, OK? |
| 17:37.40 | hd|3 | root@www:/usr/share/wordpress/wp-content/themes# while true; do killall apache2 ; done -bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory |
| 17:37.48 | hd|3 | this is the error |
| 17:38.08 | Wyzard | gpr: the hvc0 thing is for the console to work -- otherwise when you use "xm console" to view the guest's console, there's no login prompt |
| 17:38.09 | jelly-home | !tekk swolchok -about pinning |
| 17:38.15 | jelly-home | !tell swolchok -about pinning |
| 17:38.18 | Wyzard | gpr: That's not related to disks; I didn't have to change anything disk-related |
| 17:38.19 | teratoma | hd|3: i do not think bash's exit code is your problem |
| 17:38.42 | hd|3 | teratoma: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_09_02.html => As soon as the CONTROL-COMMAND fails, the loop exits |
| 17:38.49 | hd|3 | this is the problem :X |
| 17:39.28 | teratoma | hd|3: maybe you could do while true ; do if [ apache is running] ; then killall apache ; else ; fi ; done |
| 17:39.30 | Wyzard | gpr: I have a somewhat non-standard (compared to what xen-tools sets up) disk configuration though... each of my domUs' /boot filesystems is also mounted read-only in dom0, so that the guests boot from their own installed kernels, not from a kernel installed in dom0 |
| 17:39.44 | scientes | where do you download ancient releases? |
| 17:40.09 | teratoma | how ancient |
| 17:40.11 | hd|3 | teratoma: I can't check if it's running, pidof fails with the same error |
| 17:40.12 | chuck | so do I just leave the backports line in? |
| 17:40.28 | jelly-home | scientes: /msg dpkg ado |
| 17:40.29 | scientes | <Ringtailed-Fox> Netscape constantly segfaults, while star office simply says "glibc 2.7" and then quits |
| 17:40.35 | swolchok | jelly-home: thanks. anyone: today is probably not a good day to move to squeeze for people who use testing, right? |
| 17:40.38 | scientes | ie slink |
| 17:40.46 | scientes | according to distrowatch |
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| 17:41.16 | teratoma | hd|3: are you sure your script is failing on that error ? does something else work... like 'date >> /tmp/log' |
| 17:41.20 | Caelum | how do I reassemble the control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz and debian-binary files back into a .deb ? |
| 17:41.44 | jelly-home | swolchok: no idea. I won't upgrade my desktops for a week or two. ;-) |
| 17:41.47 | hd|3 | teratoma: again the cannot allocate memory error |
| 17:41.57 | scientes | teratoma, ? |
| 17:42.11 | hd|3 | teratoma: my vserver hoster is overselling, the machine doesn't have enought RAM plus SWAP to ensure ALL clients can get enough.... |
| 17:42.21 | gpr | Wyzard: I hava LVM's mapped as sd[abc] in domU, regular stuff, I just have read somewhere that except for console, there are also changes in how disks are seen in domU |
| 17:42.31 | chuck | do i leave backports in while upgrading to lenny |
| 17:42.33 | jelly-home | hd|3: find a better provider? |
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| 17:42.52 | ewet | jelly-home, jhutchins_lt: thank you everything is fine now :-) |
| 17:42.53 | teratoma | hd|3: so i dont think the non exit 0 code of your script is your problem. i dunno how you would killall then if you don't have enough memory to run killall |
| 17:43.06 | hd|3 | jelly-home: I already found another and moved the critical stuff away from this one |
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| 17:43.17 | Wyzard | gpr: I'm speculating, but that might be specific to domUs using the paravirt_ops-based Xen implementation (e.g. the one in the "regular" kernel package, not the -xen flavor) |
| 17:43.33 | Wyzard | gpr: I haven't switched my domUs to that yet; I just upgraded to the newer -xen kernel package |
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| 17:44.15 | ugly | I have GNOME's power management prefs set to blank my laptop's screen when I close the lid. It _initially_ blanks after closing the lid, but after a few seconds lights up again. What could be causing this? (Dell laptop) |
| 17:44.35 | Mimi | Hey... If I have unstable, and the next unstable is released, I don't need to burn a new CD do I? |
| 17:44.46 | Wyzard | Mimi: unstable is never released |
| 17:44.46 | gpr | Wyzard: so you are running etch, with leny -xen kernels? |
| 17:44.53 | jelly-home | Mimi: there is no "next" unstable |
| 17:45.07 | gpr | Wyzard: that is in domUs |
| 17:45.16 | Wyzard | gpr: no, I'm running lenny, with linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686 |
| 17:45.40 | Wyzard | gpr: My domUs *could* be using plain linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 but I haven't switched yet |
| 17:46.08 | Mimi | Wyzard, x-D! Oh okay, distrowatch says unstable is v.5 and that it was "released" yesterday. So it is always up to date? I'm just trying to figure out if I should go with lenny or sid |
| 17:46.24 | Wyzard | Mimi: 5.0 (lenny) is the new *stable* release |
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| 17:46.52 | Wyzard | Mimi: distrowatch says nothing about unstable |
| 17:47.16 | Wyzard | Mimi: Were you reading the announcement for sidux by mistake? |
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| 17:47.19 | bolder | bbl |
| 17:47.48 | gpr | Wyzard: ok, I guess I have to read wiki once again, I am also using amd64, and xen for amd64 entered in lenny relatively late, I am saved in last minute, I thank Debian people for that |
| 17:48.05 | Mimi | Wyzard, well, you know how it lists all the versions (from buzz to sid). So everyone would just run lenny (stable) ? |
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| 17:50.18 | chuck | do i leave backports in my sourecs.list when upgrading to lenny?! |
| 17:50.58 | chuck | anyone here? |
| 17:51.06 | teratoma | chuck: no. there is no lenny-backports yet. |
| 17:51.15 | chuck | so i just remove my backports line |
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| 17:51.28 | teratoma | or just comment it out. in case i dont know what i am talking about. |
| 17:51.52 | teratoma | then aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:51.58 | Davedan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:52.08 | zack23 | I've been running stable for the past year or so - when I do apt-get update should it not update me to lenny or is it simply current stable being codenamed lenny ? |
| 17:52.09 | jelly-home | teratoma: no, then "read the release notes" |
| 17:52.23 | teratoma | who reads release notes! |
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| 17:52.39 | chuck | teratoma: so I comment out backports, update && dist-upgrade, *then* i change etch references to lenny and update && dist-upgrade again? |
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| 17:52.53 | jelly-home | teratoma: people who like to spend less time with botched upgrades |
| 17:53.14 | jelly-home | chuck: /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 17:53.33 | chuck | jelly-home: yep, i've read the appropriate sections |
| 17:53.41 | chuck | they say nothing about what I should do with my backports source line |
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| 17:54.11 | jelly-home | chuck: no, but the upgrade stuff is covered. |
| 17:54.13 | teratoma | chuck: comment out backports. pretend backports does not exist in lenny. replace etch with lenny in your sources.list. aptitude update . aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:54.29 | chuck | teratoma: kk, that's what I thought |
| 17:54.31 | jelly-home | teratoma: it's NOT that simple. |
| 17:54.49 | zack23 | I'm confused - does lenny replace etch? If I have a etch running on my server now, do I replace etch with lenny in sources.list to upgrade? Lenny is the new stable is it? |
| 17:54.59 | jelly-home | teratoma: thnkfully chuck has actually read the notes and knows what to do |
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| 17:55.21 | Wyzard | zack23: yes, read the upgrade instructions in the release notes |
| 17:55.23 | teratoma | oh good! |
| 17:55.48 | teratoma | im still bitter the tg3 firmware is gone, but that's probably not debian's fault |
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| 17:56.23 | jelly-home | zack23: etch is now "oldstable", and will be managed by security team for at least 12 months. Plan and execute an upgrade during that time |
| 17:56.58 | zack23 | jelly-home: Oh I see so etch is moving to oldstable and lenny is the new "etch" or the new stable so to speak |
| 17:57.12 | chuck | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 17:57.12 | chuck | 4D270D06F42584E6 |
| 17:57.13 | Gnu_Raiz | you might want to put a link in the topic, for reference to the release notes. |
| 17:57.15 | chuck | is that okay? :S |
| 17:57.20 | jelly-home | zack23: lenny is new stable, yes. |
| 17:57.23 | Wyzard | chuck: yes, that's OK |
| 17:57.35 | zack23 | as far as I can tell, all I do is change etch to lenny in sources.list |
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| 17:57.50 | jelly-home | zack23: read the topic. |
| 17:57.56 | Wyzard | chuck: The lenny release is signed with both the current GPG key (the same one used for etch) and a new one that's meant for future lenny updates |
| 17:58.18 | chuck | why does aptitude install aptitude want to remove linux-kernel-headers :'( |
| 17:58.19 | jelly-home | zack23: read the release notes for the upgrade process, if you wish to upgrade. |
| 17:58.29 | Wyzard | chuck: The warning is because you don't have the lenny key yet, but that's OK since you have the etch key so apt can verify the package signatures, and you'll get the lenny key as part of the upgrade |
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| 17:58.47 | chuck | Wyzard: should aptitude install aptitude want to remove linux-kernel-headers |
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| 17:58.57 | jelly-home | chuck: linux-kernel-headers isn't actually needed for much anyway. |
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| 17:59.15 | chuck | jelly-home: are you being sarcastic or sincere? :P |
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| 17:59.28 | jelly-home | chuck: the latter |
| 17:59.29 | zack23 | jelly-home: thank you |
| 17:59.38 | Wyzard | chuck: that's fine; the package doesn't exist in lenny (it's renamed to linux-libc-dev IIRC) and it's only needed for compiling stuff |
| 17:59.52 | chuck | Wyzard: oh, linux-libc-dev is being installed |
| 17:59.54 | chuck | that's okay then |
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| 18:01.23 | EUShells | why does one of my servers, set to 'stable' rather than 'etch' or 'lenny' believe that stable is still etch? |
| 18:01.35 | Wyzard | your mirror might not have updated yet |
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| 18:02.31 | EUShells | ah yer - thought I used the same, but I didn't |
| 18:03.17 | joelsolanki | Err http://archive.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages |
| 18:03.17 | joelsolanki | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.25 | joelsolanki | any other link i can use please ? |
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| 18:03.29 | joelsolanki | i need for sarge |
| 18:03.51 | joelsolanki | sorry couple of our box has still sarge due to few development issue |
| 18:03.52 | joelsolanki | :( |
| 18:03.57 | miksuh | Eulex: lenny is now stable |
| 18:04.09 | joelsolanki | any other links plz for using sarge updates/install ? |
| 18:04.17 | Eulex | miksuh, mistab |
| 18:04.17 | leOn | joelsolanki: http://archive.debian.org |
| 18:04.41 | joelsolanki | leOn: i m currently using that but it gives error |
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| 18:05.20 | leOn | which error? |
| 18:05.33 | EUShells | 404 :) |
| 18:05.48 | joelsolanki | http://pastebin.ca/1338115 |
| 18:05.54 | joelsolanki | take a look at it le0n |
| 18:06.42 | joelsolanki | i have this lines |
| 18:06.53 | leOn | that's normal |
| 18:07.01 | joelsolanki | deb http://archive.debian.org sarge/updates main |
| 18:07.01 | leOn | sarge doesn't have updates |
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| 18:07.15 | bros | I have downloaded the latest Debian 5.0 PowerPC netinstall image and burned it to a disk. I am installing it to a PS3 (powerpc64/cell). The kernel included does not detect my CD-ROM drive. How can I use another kernel to boot then execute the CD-ROMs "init scripts"? |
| 18:07.22 | Eulex | joelsolanki, uh. the archive doesn't contain security update repos. |
| 18:07.37 | joelsolanki | ok |
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| 18:07.51 | Eulex | joelsolanki, use a normal mirror. |
| 18:07.52 | leOn | joelsolanki: try this |
| 18:07.53 | leOn | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 18:07.53 | leOn | deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
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| 18:08.02 | jhutchins | Can anyone point me to a howto for taking the kernel.org source for a module and compiling the module for debian? |
| 18:08.02 | joelsolanki | ok let me try |
| 18:08.07 | jhutchins | I'm missing a step or two. |
| 18:08.17 | micols | can one use wpa2 without wpa supplicant ? |
| 18:08.33 | heruan | debian lenny fresh install, crontab 3.0pl1-105 |
| 18:08.35 | Wyzard | micols: afaik, no |
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| 18:08.54 | heruan | $ crontab -e |
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| 18:09.04 | patrikf | micols: what's wrong with wpa-supplicant? |
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| 18:09.09 | micols | anyone got an easy example of a wpa2 supplicant.conf +interfaces ? |
| 18:09.18 | anom01y | how do I switch from ubuntu to debian ? |
| 18:09.27 | patrikf | micols: debian has it integrated into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:09.32 | leOn | micols: just use network-manager |
| 18:09.32 | heruan | error: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/heruan: Permission denied |
| 18:09.35 | Blues-Man | hi i ve installed sid from debootstrap on a Alix3d3, I haven't usb keyboard to login, which default root password there is on debian? |
| 18:09.38 | Wyzard | micols: If possible, use NetworkManager... it manages wpa_supplicant automatically and gives you a nice GUI frontend |
| 18:09.40 | micols | patrikf: i dont use gui |
| 18:09.48 | patrikf | micols: huh? |
| 18:09.55 | heruan | $ ls -ld /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 18:09.56 | heruan | drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab 4096 2008-09-28 11:33 /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
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| 18:10.10 | micols | so i need a post/preup directive or something in interfaces and a supplicant.conf |
| 18:10.14 | patrikf | micols: /etc/network/interfaces is the standard Debian method to configure your network |
| 18:10.14 | patrikf | micols: no. hold on |
| 18:10.14 | vonsp | anom01y, 1) delete ubuntu. 2) install debian. do not take it's goddamn /etc to system. |
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| 18:10.24 | leOn | heruan: is heruan user part of the crontab group? i don't think so |
| 18:10.35 | joelsolanki | le0n: that worked. thanks much. |
| 18:10.36 | joelsolanki | :) |
| 18:10.38 | heruan | leOn: no :) |
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| 18:10.58 | anom01y | vonsp, ok, how do I delete ubuntu and leave say /usr and /home ? |
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| 18:11.49 | patrikf | micols: read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
| 18:11.54 | leOn | well .. just dropped by to say i'm very excited about lenny becoming stable |
| 18:12.23 | vonsp | anom01y, rm -rf /etc /bin and so on %) but /usr is good to delete too. you just have to backup your homedir with all your configs. |
| 18:12.24 | anom01y | do I have to back stuff up |
| 18:12.37 | micols | i got 4 systems i need to upgrade, and 2 of them dont have enough diskspace :) |
| 18:12.41 | anom01y | ok |
| 18:12.46 | patrikf | micols: usually, the first example with wpa-ssid and -psk suffices |
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| 18:12.57 | Scruffy | ;) |
| 18:12.59 | anom01y | vonsp do I need the live cd to do all this deleting ? |
| 18:13.08 | leOn | anom01y: yes |
| 18:13.09 | anom01y | or can I just apt-install debian |
| 18:13.12 | anom01y | lol |
| 18:13.23 | micols | anom01y: debootstrap debian base |
| 18:13.27 | vonsp | well, you can perform dist-upgrade |
| 18:13.32 | micols | takes about 3-5mins |
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| 18:13.44 | leOn | anom01y: i would also sugest you consider having /home on a different partition |
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| 18:14.03 | vonsp | and better - on different hard disk. |
| 18:14.09 | anom01y | when I finally set up my new box I will do that. |
| 18:14.10 | Davedan | where can I find info on apt.conf.d ? |
| 18:14.13 | leOn | that way you can just perform regular installs without formatting the /home data |
| 18:14.33 | micols | anom01y: always do /tmp and home on different partitions/disks |
| 18:14.41 | micols | preferably var and usr too |
| 18:14.46 | anom01y | for now I just want to switch over from ubuntu to debian, hopefully I don't have to go buy a new video card |
| 18:15.16 | micols | anom01y: no you wont, you can taint your kernel in debian too |
| 18:15.19 | micols | all that you want :) |
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| 18:15.29 | vonsp | micols, for desktop different /tmp, /var and /usr ? for what reason? |
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| 18:16.06 | pupuser243119 | when you're trying to mount your root drive, and you get something like "/dev/sda7 does not look like an ext3 partition" - then what do you do? |
| 18:16.20 | micols | vonsp: easier reinstall |
| 18:16.42 | micols | less that can go wrong if you run out of diskspace |
| 18:16.45 | anom01y | vonsp, how do I do a dist-upgrade to debian when my current system is ubuntu ? |
| 18:17.07 | micols | running out of disk on /tmp isnt as severe as running out of diskspace in /home typically |
| 18:17.20 | vonsp | anom01y, with god's help. |
| 18:17.36 | micols | if you dont partition, you will get ALL errors at once :) |
| 18:17.42 | micols | and weird things will happen. |
| 18:17.54 | pupuser243119 | something like 'checkdisk' or something like that. |
| 18:18.10 | micols | i even tried making my /lib seperate, it isnt as fun though |
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| 18:18.43 | micols | but readonly root also is a nice thing. |
| 18:18.44 | anom01y | I guess the best way is to get the live cd, run it, backup /home and /usr, then install the live cd, and then copy back /home and /user... ? |
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| 18:18.59 | maher | what file in lenny's ikiwiki should be ikiwiki.cgi? |
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| 18:19.01 | anom01y | maybe not all /usr, just /usr/share or something |
| 18:19.04 | die7 | after kernel upgrade to 2.6.24 i get :sd driver need upgrade use bus type method...and system stack |
| 18:19.07 | die7 | any? |
| 18:19.28 | heruan | this is the day of denied permissions :/ |
| 18:19.30 | heruan | postfix/postdrop[924]: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/423631.924: Permission denied |
| 18:19.36 | micols | anom01y: just back up your homedir and dpkg -l (listing of programs) |
| 18:19.40 | heruan | hundreds of lines on syslog |
| 18:19.47 | micols | and base-install a debian + xserver |
| 18:20.03 | heruan | but I send and receive mails correctly (at least I guess) |
| 18:20.17 | anom01y | micols, what are the commands to base install debian + xserver ? |
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| 18:20.35 | micols | anom01y: usually some [enter], [next], [enter]'s :) |
| 18:20.42 | micols | but debootstrap can do it too |
| 18:21.03 | heruan | drwx-wx--- 2 postfix postdrop 4096 2009-02-15 18:18 /var/spool/postfix/maildrop/ |
| 18:21.15 | micols | anom01y: but for your purpose i recommend a Desktop system and debian netinstall |
| 18:21.17 | heruan | -rwxr-sr-x 1 root postdrop 13804 2008-09-14 16:09 /usr/sbin/postdrop |
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| 18:21.20 | micols | download a net boot cdrom (cd1) |
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| 18:21.30 | micols | it has all you need, you fetch the rest over the net. |
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| 18:21.53 | micols | then you will have gnome and openoffice etc. |
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| 18:22.13 | anom01y | micols, "usually some [enter], [next], [enter]'s :)" <--- what the hell is that supposed to mean ? |
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| 18:22.26 | anom01y | so far I have learned nothing |
| 18:22.34 | micols | anom01y: description of how to install debian with the "new" installer :) |
| 18:22.41 | anom01y | hmm |
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| 18:23.02 | micols | you just fetch a netboot iso and burn it, then click enter in the installer |
| 18:23.08 | micols | after backing up your /home of course. |
| 18:23.22 | anom01y | basically get the live cd, back up /home, install from the live cd ? |
| 18:23.24 | micols | but it should correctly use your /home anyway |
| 18:23.29 | khaleel5000 | hello, if i donwload and install lenny 64bit version, will 32 bit programs work fine? |
| 18:23.33 | anom01y | a netboot iso different from a live cd ? |
| 18:23.39 | micols | yes very different |
| 18:24.01 | joelsolanki | Hi |
| 18:24.07 | joelsolanki | Le0n: hi |
| 18:24.09 | micols | it fetches most packages from the net, and gives you a choice from base-install (terminal only stripped of most packages from Desktop), or Desktop etc |
| 18:24.27 | joelsolanki | i was in need to create a custom debian based cd. |
| 18:24.40 | joelsolanki | is there any url where i can find some info ? |
| 18:24.41 | micols | for your purpose you will most likely be able to just press [enter] through the whole installer |
| 18:24.45 | anom01y | netboot install -> not recommended for novice users |
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| 18:24.50 | micols | and it should keep your old /home i think. |
| 18:25.03 | micols | anom01y: how come? its the easiest way |
| 18:25.18 | joelsolanki | anyone plz ? want to customize debian OS to my requirement and create a iso |
| 18:25.23 | joelsolanki | any links ? |
| 18:25.30 | micols | joelsolanki: use debootstrap to fetch a debian dist |
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| 18:25.42 | micols | then you can modify it to your likings and make it iso later perhaps |
| 18:25.50 | dvs | So, what new? Ha ha ha |
| 18:25.56 | micols | there might be other ways though |
| 18:26.11 | dvs | !squeeze |
| 18:26.11 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 18:26.16 | joelsolanki | hmm |
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| 18:26.42 | micols | !lenny |
| 18:26.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, lenny is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on February 14th, 2009: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 or Lenny is the binoculars or Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>. |
| 18:27.04 | dvs | I just wanted to know who sqeeze was. |
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| 18:27.17 | elik | Celebrate good time, c'mon! |
| 18:27.23 | elik | Lenny is out, hooray |
| 18:27.41 | micols | elik: i need to get careless with rm -rf in my /var before i can upgrade my systems :) |
| 18:27.42 | anom01y | I don't know how to configre my bios for a network boot |
| 18:27.49 | micols | its overfilled. |
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| 18:28.09 | petemc | anom01y: network install is not the same as netboot, you want network install |
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| 18:28.18 | petemc | or netinst |
| 18:28.20 | stew | nice, 2528 packages will migrate to squeeze |
| 18:28.25 | micols | anom01y: you boot a network boot cd from CDROM |
| 18:28.28 | anom01y | I have no experience with netboot netinstall network boots any of that stuff |
| 18:28.39 | micols | anom01y: the netboot cd does install enough packages to have your netcard running and download the erst |
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| 18:28.42 | micols | rest* |
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| 18:28.59 | micols | anom01y: its easy as pie, and not only debian does this for this reason, its the best way usually |
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| 18:29.12 | petemc | micols: netboot is boot from the network, you're talking about network install |
| 18:29.52 | anom01y | micols so what is the link then to this cd I have to download ? |
| 18:29.54 | yeti | I always do a net install and i'm a bit newer to linux, there's virtually nothing different except you need to be connected to the internet |
| 18:30.00 | anom01y | then you say I select network boot |
| 18:30.01 | anom01y | ? |
| 18:30.06 | micols | petemc: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ |
| 18:30.08 | micols | you're wrong |
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| 18:30.19 | micols | no sorry :) |
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| 18:30.30 | micols | i mixed it up :) |
| 18:30.45 | micols | i just did a netboot, perhaps thats why :) |
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| 18:31.53 | anom01y | well I am still confused as hell.. what is the link to the cd image I need to download ? |
| 18:32.17 | anom01y | do I just download the live cd for debian 5 ? |
| 18:32.20 | ferret_0567 | Supaplex: so now lenny -> stable |
| 18:32.25 | ferret_0567 | opps |
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| 18:32.40 | openit | hi |
| 18:32.40 | Supaplex | !netinst |
| 18:32.41 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but which is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 18:32.42 | micols | Amorphous: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-500-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:32.48 | micols | anom01y: even |
| 18:32.53 | Caelum | anyone know how to reassemble a .deb ? |
| 18:32.58 | openit | i installed lenny(the installer is some monthes old) 64bit with kde3 |
| 18:33.00 | dvs | That reminds me, I have to update my install USB drive |
| 18:33.01 | micols | Caelum: dpkg -x |
| 18:33.09 | Supaplex | Caelum: apt-cache search repackage |
| 18:33.10 | anom01y | ahh screw it, I have no time for this now anyways.. |
| 18:33.21 | openit | which package do i need that synaptic, iceweasel etc... do not like in windows 2000? |
| 18:33.29 | micols | Caelum: nvm |
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| 18:33.32 | anom01y | I will look into this more tomorrow.. |
| 18:33.35 | WindBack | In the previous versions of xserver-xorg (in debian or ubuntu) when i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, I was asked about all the configuration options, and then I had the xorg.conf configured according to the data passed to the configuration. In the recents versions of xserver-xorg, when i do dpkg-reconfigure i am only asked about the keyboard options. Which application can I use to configure the xorg.conf video parametters?? |
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| 18:33.58 | yeti | just go to debain.org and download the netinstall iso (CD1) of the one you want, personally i'd get lenny sid |
| 18:34.06 | Caelum | Supaplex: I modified the control.tar.gz |
| 18:34.21 | I_Died_Once | got a quick quesiton.... i have a windows partition i need to reformat to ext2 to use it as a storage partition |
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| 18:34.23 | anom01y | lenny sid the best ? |
| 18:34.26 | I_Died_Once | what program can i do that with? |
| 18:34.29 | micols | anom01y: yes you most likely want testing or unstable debian |
| 18:34.44 | Supaplex | I_Died_Once: debian installer has parted built in. |
| 18:34.46 | I_Died_Once | currently set up as a dual boot system, but i dont need it any more |
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| 18:34.54 | Gnu_Raiz | thats because in xorg they have automated a lot of the functionality. |
| 18:34.55 | I_Died_Once | but i dont want to reinstall debian |
| 18:34.57 | yeti | anom01y: what kind of computer do you have? |
| 18:34.59 | micols | anom01y: stable is mostly for servers, no updates in years :) |
| 18:35.04 | bit-r0t | I am running Etch, when I tried 'apt-get update' I am getting error - "W: Conflicting distribution: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release (expected etch but got sarge)" |
| 18:35.26 | Gnu_Raiz | for example you won't see many modelines now. |
| 18:35.31 | Supaplex | I_Died_Once: you want to delete ext3 and use ntfs or whatever? |
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| 18:35.38 | yeti | bit-r0t: is ur soucelist on etch? |
| 18:35.44 | I_Died_Once | i need to change the ntfs to ext3 |
| 18:35.47 | nkuttler | WindBack: xorg is supposed to autodetect it's config |
| 18:35.51 | theodred | bit-r0t: check your etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:35.56 | Gnu_Raiz | yep, |
| 18:35.56 | Supaplex | I_Died_Once: fdisk, then mkfs.ext3 |
| 18:35.59 | bit-r0t | Yes @ yeti, I haven't upgraded to Lenny yet |
| 18:35.59 | Doug52392 | Will apt-get full-upgrade upgrade Debian from Etch to Lenny? |
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| 18:36.02 | theodred | make sure that the entries say :etch |
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| 18:36.18 | theodred | instead of "sarge" for all entries |
| 18:36.29 | WindBack | nkuttler, yes, but i read the xorg.conf and there is no configuration related to video |
| 18:36.30 | Supaplex | Doug52392: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 18:36.30 | dvs | Doug52392: have you changed your /etc/apt/sources.list file yet? |
| 18:36.37 | Caelum | Supaplex: don't see anything for repackage... |
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| 18:36.44 | Gnu_Raiz | need to update then upgrade first. |
| 18:36.52 | stew | Doug52392: well 'full-upgrade' isn't in etch's aptitude, so you'd have to upgrade aptitude first. the recommended procedure is in the release notes: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 18:36.54 | nkuttler | WindBack: that's why it's called automatic |
| 18:37.05 | Gnu_Raiz | you need to tell apt-get, or whatever that you have new sources. |
| 18:37.08 | anom01y | its far too busy here to get any help, I will try back in the night time tomorrow. |
| 18:37.10 | WindBack | nkuttler, also when i use the option phigh |
| 18:37.25 | nkuttler | WindBack: runtime autoconf |
| 18:37.32 | ttick | Anyone know how I check to see if the 2.6.26.2 kernel on this box has "support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec" ? |
| 18:37.33 | yeti | anom01y: what is the major issue? i think its more simple than you think |
| 18:37.37 | WindBack | nkuttler, ?? |
| 18:37.46 | WindBack | nkuttler, i didnt understand you |
| 18:37.47 | anom01y | yeti, I just want to switch from ubuntu to debian |
| 18:37.59 | nkuttler | WindBack: which part? |
| 18:38.01 | yeti | anom: how did u install ubuntu? |
| 18:38.05 | anom01y | I don't really run any servers, but I need something reliable and customizable |
| 18:38.10 | stew | anom01y: "/msg dpkg ig" is the install guide. you can download a debian installer by going to debian.org and clicking on "getting debian" |
| 18:38.14 | WindBack | nkuttler, runtime autoconf |
| 18:38.17 | Supaplex | Caelum: humm. there use to be a repackage util, but I can't find it now. :) |
| 18:38.36 | stew | WindBack: it is expected that xorg.conf wouldn't have any configuration for your video card. it is detected at runtime |
| 18:38.38 | anom01y | stew, I went there where is this lenny sid ? |
| 18:38.39 | Gnu_Raiz | do a backup, of important data then do a update of your sourcelist. |
| 18:38.40 | jelly-home | Caelum: dpkg-repack? |
| 18:39.02 | anom01y | is that debian 5 ? |
| 18:39.05 | stew | anom01y: lenny is currently stable, version 5.0.0. sid is the 'unstable' version meant for developers. you want lenny aka stable, not sid |
| 18:39.16 | Supaplex | jelly-home beat me to it. I was ready to type that :) but I don't think it applies to manually piecing control.tar.gz and the other friends together again. |
| 18:39.23 | Supaplex | Caelum: ^^^ |
| 18:39.23 | bit-r0t | That's my /etc/apt/sources.list @ theodred, I don't see any 'sarge' appearance on it - http://pastebin.ca/1338139 |
| 18:39.31 | anom01y | stew, ahh k, I dont want unstable |
| 18:39.52 | jelly-home | Supaplex, Caelum: it's only for an already installed package |
| 18:39.57 | yeti | anom: unstable doesn't mean it will crash, it just has the newest packages |
| 18:40.00 | anom01y | why would I want something that is "unstable" lol |
| 18:40.08 | anom01y | just doesnt sound right |
| 18:40.27 | anom01y | considering all the hell I've been through trying to get Linux to work for me |
| 18:40.29 | Supaplex | anom01y: it's for developers |
| 18:40.31 | yeti | anom: research how debain does their releases and you might |
| 18:40.39 | yeti | ...get it |
| 18:40.55 | WindBack | stew, So can i configure the resolution, for example?? |
| 18:41.06 | WindBack | stew, the kdm resloution |
| 18:41.10 | elik | What is the name of the new testing? |
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| 18:41.32 | amphi | anom01y: if you're not familiar with debian, you do not want to run sid (unstable) |
| 18:41.33 | stew | WindBack: you can set it at runtime with xrandr, or you can specify it in xorg.conf if you want to configure it statically |
| 18:41.33 | themill | yeti: please don't encourage people to run unstable unless you also promise to be at their service 24h/day to help them unbreak their machine when things go badly in sid. |
| 18:41.41 | Caelum | Supaplex: blah, just going to unpack the data.tar.gz, save the list of files, and run the scripts myself |
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| 18:41.54 | bit-r0t | Oh, nevermind. It's a bug and it has already been filed @ theodred, thank you for your time! |
| 18:41.54 | jelly-home | Caelum: wait, do you have a .deb? |
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| 18:42.07 | Caelum | jelly-home: I have a .deb, I just had to edit the preinst |
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| 18:42.56 | jelly-home | Caelum: dpkg --extract foo.deb foo; dpkg --control foo.deb foo/DEBIAN; $EDITOR foo/DEBIAN/preinst; dpkg -b foo . |
| 18:43.02 | WindBack | stew xrandr, I have never use it, How i can invoke it? |
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| 18:43.19 | micols | WindBack: 'xrandr' and then xrandr -s <number> |
| 18:43.32 | micols | where number is the resolution number |
| 18:43.37 | yeti | themill: i am running sid on a macbook, they are notorious for not working nicely and so far i have had the most luck with it than any other version. if someone is not willing to google a few things to configure it properly i would say that ubuntu is the way to go |
| 18:43.41 | anom01y | ok I am downloading debian stable 5.0 netinst minimal cd from debian.org |
| 18:43.47 | WindBack | micols, thanks micols |
| 18:43.54 | anom01y | I think that is going to work |
| 18:44.03 | yeti | anom01y: that is good |
| 18:44.18 | WindBack | micols, and this resolution is saved for the next boot? |
| 18:44.20 | stew | anom01y: how are you connecting it to the network? ethernet? wireless? |
| 18:44.24 | micols | anom01y: you should upgrade to testing after it is installed |
| 18:44.25 | anom01y | ethernet |
| 18:44.32 | micols | anom01y: its more useful for desktop machines |
| 18:44.32 | stew | anom01y: that should be fine |
| 18:44.35 | stew | micols: why? |
| 18:44.37 | anom01y | micols, why upgrade to testing ? |
| 18:44.46 | stew | anom01y: don't upgrade to testing |
| 18:44.48 | anom01y | I need something reliable |
| 18:44.54 | micols | anom01y: testing is reliable |
| 18:44.58 | stew | anom01y: then you definately don't want testing right now |
| 18:45.01 | stew | micols: not right now it isn't |
| 18:45.04 | anom01y | lol k |
| 18:45.05 | micols | sid is unreliable, testing is reliable most of the time |
| 18:46.02 | stew | this is the worst possible time for testing |
| 18:46.02 | micols | testing is encouraged for desktop use |
| 18:46.02 | anom01y | I am good on the experimental stuff |
| 18:46.02 | dvs | micols: not in the next few days |
| 18:46.02 | stew | micols: no, stop |
| 18:46.02 | micols | right we just got an upgrade, so thats an exception |
| 18:46.02 | anom01y | Im not using my computer as a lab rat I am sick of wasting hour and hours trying to fix things |
| 18:46.03 | micols | as sid will now be in testing right? |
| 18:46.03 | stew | micols: no |
| 18:46.11 | stew | micols: squeeze is testing |
| 18:46.16 | anom01y | Im just going to stick with "stable" cause it sounds good. |
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| 18:46.18 | stew | and it gets 2300+ new packages today |
| 18:46.20 | dvs | micols: and there's going to be a HUGE slew of changes in the next few days |
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| 18:46.28 | Caelum | jelly-home: THANK YOU |
| 18:46.46 | anom01y | can I select my desktop manager from this net cd ? |
| 18:46.52 | dvs | anom01y: good move |
| 18:46.54 | smacnay | dvs: sounds like I will hold off on updating "testing" for a few days. |
| 18:46.54 | anom01y | or do I have to reinstall xfce |
| 18:46.59 | yeti | anom01y: yes, which do you use? |
| 18:47.01 | micols | anom01y: go with stable for now, and after a few months upgrade to testing :) |
| 18:47.01 | stew | and we'll very soon get into painful, possibly length gnome and kde transitions very soon |
| 18:47.03 | anom01y | xfce |
| 18:47.06 | dvs | smacnay: good move too. |
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| 18:47.22 | micols | anom01y: most software like xfce, gnome etc are hopelessly outdated in stable normally. |
| 18:47.30 | smacnay | dvs: I am assuming that the unsettling will be for a little while and then iron itself out. |
| 18:47.31 | stew | smacnay: if you want xfce, you can start with a xfce install cd and choose the "desktop install" when asked. |
| 18:47.33 | Gnu_Raiz | all a netcd is is just the frame work, to boot debian, then you use the internet to download everything else. |
| 18:47.35 | stew | uhh |
| 18:47.37 | dvs | micols: not today. ;-) |
| 18:47.40 | micols | but as it all just got an upgrade yesterday it will be rather uptodate |
| 18:47.40 | stew | anom01y: if you want xfce, you can start with a xfce install cd and choose the "desktop install" when asked. |
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| 18:47.47 | soopy | How can I install postgresql 7.4 back to lenny in parallel with postgresql 8.3 so that I can save my databases ? |
| 18:47.51 | smacnay | stew: wrong guy... |
| 18:47.54 | Selveste1 | Hey :) I have just configured to new debian server and putted them into "production" but every time I restart one of the servers it changes the mac-address on one of the interfaces'es, and therefor also the Ethernet number, I have tryed to set the mac-address in /etc/network/interfaces and I have changed pressend_net.rules, but that did only work on the other interface :S any suggestion ? Sorry for my bad english |
| 18:48.00 | td123 | so I had this one problem where the installation media (usb) mounts the iso (extracted boot.img and wrote to usb w/ dd and then copied iso to usb) but when it tries to get the files from the iso it says it failed |
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| 18:48.13 | stew | anom01y: if you use the default installer, and choose "desktop" you'll get gnome. you can instead skip desktop and run "aptitude install xorg xfce4" after the install is done |
| 18:48.17 | stew | smacnay: yeah, sorry :) |
| 18:48.20 | smacnay | stew: maybe anom01y was looking at xfce. |
| 18:48.21 | anom01y | so after I install debian 5 stable, get xfce cd, and install the desktop version ? |
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| 18:49.10 | openit | which package do i need that synaptic, iceweasel etc... do not like in windows 2000? |
| 18:49.14 | openit | i installed lenny(the installer is some monthes old) 64bit with kde3 |
| 18:49.19 | nkuttler | soopy: 7.4 is not lenny. doesn't 8.4 have some compatibility mode? |
| 18:49.21 | stew | anom01y: you can either use a xfce debian install and get a xfce desktop, or you can use a regular installer, and after the install run "aptitude install xfce4 xorg" to add xfce to your install (without needing a different cd) |
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| 18:50.22 | soopy | nkuttler, from what guys at the postgresql channel tell me, probably not.. I have to find a way to install in parallel 7.4 and 8.3 so that I make backups of the databases with 7.4 |
| 18:50.22 | themill | yeti: sid's problems aren't ones you can just google answers to... sometimes you actually have to know what is going on. You might be good at google or you might be lucky with sid. I don't care; please don't recommend sid to people on #debian as you will be putting them in a difficult position. |
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| 18:51.16 | micols | i tried gnome 2.x about 4-5 years ago in sid, it was pretty bad with sawfish and all :) |
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| 18:51.24 | anom01y | xfce doesnt have a cd with the latest debian 5 stable |
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| 18:51.38 | Selveste1 | btw, its on a Debian 4.0r7 :) |
| 18:51.43 | anom01y | so I will skip the desktop part and run "aptitude install xfce4 xorg" |
| 18:51.43 | micols | just use the panel and it would crash. |
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| 18:51.51 | nkuttler | soopy: i'd guess you still can build 7.4 from oldstable sources, /msg dpkg ssbp and modify accordingly |
| 18:52.01 | yeti | themill: alright, sorry, just in my experience it seems that everyday computing is fine in sid and if someone is asking about how to install the i would assume that that is what they are lloking for, although it is an error on my part to make the assumption |
| 18:52.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | congrats to the debian team for lenny :) |
| 18:52.14 | LoloftheRings | hi all, I tried the lenny live cd but I have some trouble with connecting. I have a wireless network with wep encryption. |
| 18:52.23 | icebrew54 | livecd? |
| 18:52.26 | icebrew54 | wtf is that gayness? |
| 18:52.28 | MarkJones | Where are the Lenny images? I get bad links on there site. |
| 18:52.31 | LoloftheRings | had to cry :D |
| 18:52.35 | LoloftheRings | try |
| 18:52.40 | icebrew54 | yeah use netinst |
| 18:52.45 | icebrew54 | like a man :P |
| 18:52.57 | icebrew54 | dunno wtf this livecd business is about |
| 18:52.58 | LoloftheRings | I go a wireless connection here.. |
| 18:53.06 | LoloftheRings | got* |
| 18:53.07 | icebrew54 | LoloftheRings: sounds like you chose a bad network medium |
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| 18:53.21 | icebrew54 | LoloftheRings: time to get off your dead ass and plug in some cat-5 |
| 18:53.22 | themill | yeti: you've obviously been lucky with sid then :) May the luck stay with you. |
| 18:53.38 | LoloftheRings | icebrew, cat-5? |
| 18:53.44 | Selveste1 | Hey :) I have just configured to new Debian 4.0r7 server and putted them into "production" but every time I restart one of the servers it changes the mac-address on one of the interfaces'es, and therefor also the Ethernet number, I have tryed to set the mac-address in /etc/network/interfaces and I have changed pressend_net.rules, but that did only work on the other interface :S any suggestion ? Sorry for my bad english |
| 18:53.45 | icebrew54 | LoloftheRings: ethernet |
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| 18:53.59 | LoloftheRings | icebrew, my dad doesnt want the cables around :p |
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| 18:54.04 | stew | Selveste1: /msg dpkg forcedeth mac |
| 18:54.06 | micols | yeti: yes sid isnt fine for normal users, its fine for the more technical users who like to send in a bug report now and then, perhaps even fix the problem themselves |
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| 18:54.08 | yeti | themill: i have been and i hope it continues... i had 8 months of a semi-working computer with etch/gutsy/hardy/etch |
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| 18:54.14 | icebrew54 | LoloftheRings: you can't install it via wired connection then unplug it? |
| 18:54.29 | micols | yeti: and has always been that way, you might have been lucky,but it will crash horribly from time to time :) |
| 18:54.33 | yeti | themill: then sid came along and it just worked after some googling, it was glorious |
| 18:54.36 | LoloftheRings | icebrew, yea I could.. :P |
| 18:54.44 | icebrew54 | LoloftheRings: then grow a pair and handle it buddy |
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| 18:54.55 | LoloftheRings | icebrew, but still, I need a connection here to configure |
| 18:54.59 | yeti | themill: once again, i have been lucky and i hope that day never comes |
| 18:55.06 | dvs | yeti: must of caught sid on a good day. |
| 18:55.09 | icebrew54 | LoloftheRings: you fail :) |
| 18:55.18 | LoloftheRings | icebrew, yep. |
| 18:55.46 | LoloftheRings | icebrew: everything is running fine on ubuntu without any configuration so it should be possible.. |
| 18:56.08 | yeti | themill: i needed everything up to date but without its fingers getting in everthing involunarily since i'm on a mac and sid was the answer |
| 18:56.17 | LoloftheRings | icebrew, is iwconfig on the dvd? I can manage to get a connection through iwconfig :p |
| 18:56.39 | MarkJones | Anyone know if anyone has made any CD/DVD cover arts for the disk sets? |
| 18:56.41 | micols | anybody have a linksys AP with RDC chip?:) |
| 18:56.57 | micols | -- with linux on. |
| 18:57.21 | stew | MarkJones: i don't know, but I'd check http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd |
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| 18:57.46 | stew | LoloftheRings: which wireless chipset? |
| 18:57.51 | micols | stew: hasnt sid become the new testing when lenny got moved to stable? |
| 18:58.09 | stew | micols: no, squeeze was created as an exact copy of lenny. sid is always unstable |
| 18:58.21 | LoloftheRings | stew, I believe ralink.. |
| 18:58.36 | stew | micols: there are always lots of unreleasable packages in sid, so we can't move them to testing |
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| 18:58.45 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.54 | stew | nsadmin: yes, /topic |
| 18:59.01 | MarkJones | sweet Im gonna try an jigdo the DVD1 image against my testing DVD version.See if it works. |
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| 19:00.08 | nsadmin | did they decide to delay release until mirror pulse? |
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| 19:00.23 | bbelt16ag | hmmm |
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| 19:00.49 | jzhou | i think its been released late last night. |
| 19:01.05 | LoloftheRings | It was released yesterday |
| 19:01.19 | LoloftheRings | evening |
| 19:01.34 | jelly-home | stew: would be nice if the topic mentioned 5.0 explicitely. |
| 19:01.57 | dvs | is still looking for squiggy |
| 19:02.06 | jzhou | everybody knows lenny is 5.0 by the way |
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| 19:02.44 | jelly-home | jzhou: nope |
| 19:02.50 | epsilon | what, not 4.2? |
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| 19:02.59 | dvs | jzhou: I wouldn't count on it. |
| 19:03.03 | nsadmin | or even 4.00000001 |
| 19:03.03 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> lenny (debian 5.0.0) released!: /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r7 released /msg dpkg etch | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:03.11 | oOarthurOo | My iso says it is 500 |
| 19:03.12 | dvs | 5.0.0? |
| 19:03.15 | stew | diff: added (debian 5.0.0) |
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| 19:03.20 | Jemt | YEAH! |
| 19:03.21 | jelly-home | 5.0.0.0.0 |
| 19:03.30 | epsilon | why not 42... oh whyyyyyyy |
| 19:03.30 | stew | dvs: yes, and the first update won't be 5.0r1 but 5.0.1 |
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| 19:03.42 | jelly-home | stew: that's a sensible change! |
| 19:03.45 | dvs | stew: Really? Says who? ;-) |
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| 19:03.50 | stew | dvs: the release team |
| 19:03.51 | jelly-home | is surprised. |
| 19:03.51 | nsadmin | they got rid of the r? |
| 19:03.55 | stew | eys |
| 19:04.04 | dvs | CD publishers won't like that. |
| 19:04.05 | MarkJones | Oh there doing away with that naming scheme? the r1 r2 etc? |
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| 19:04.12 | nsadmin | eys the situation |
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| 19:04.31 | jelly-home | pokes nsadmin in the eys |
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| 19:04.38 | dvs | Aye |
| 19:04.38 | oOarthurOo | I wish they would have gone to a more sensible naming scheme. Something like Debian Home, Debian Basic, Debian Ultimate, Debian Business. It's just debian so I have no idea what I've got. |
| 19:04.49 | obcecado | lol |
| 19:04.51 | MarkJones | lol |
| 19:04.54 | dvs | !lart oOarthurOo |
| 19:04.54 | dpkg | takes out a cattle prod and gives oOarthurOo a good jolt |
| 19:04.55 | jzhou | DEBIAN IS NOT WINDOZE!!! |
| 19:05.01 | LoloftheRings | not? |
| 19:05.17 | nsadmin | oOarthurOo you have all those and more... you install what you want |
| 19:05.20 | jelly-home | !win oOarthurOo |
| 19:05.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, oOarthurOo! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:05.39 | stew | oOarthurOo: bue we don't have separate home/basic/etc versions |
| 19:05.40 | obcecado | 19:04:36 < dvs> Aye |
| 19:05.42 | jelly-home | oOarthurOo: nice troll! |
| 19:05.49 | oOarthurOo | bows |
| 19:05.49 | obcecado | sorry |
| 19:06.08 | jelly-home | oOarthurOo: are you available for Gnome releases? |
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| 19:06.14 | DeSian | oOarthurOo: go to #ubuntu |
| 19:06.32 | oOarthurOo | It was sarcasm. I'll go back to my lurking hole now. |
| 19:06.40 | jelly-home | :'( |
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| 19:07.30 | jelly-home | didn't expect the likes of stew to buy it |
| 19:07.37 | FalscherHase | hi. i've got 4gb ram. i missed to install the 64bit version. so i switched to the i686-bigmem kernel. 'free' and /proc/meminfo still show only 3.3GB ram. what's wrong? |
| 19:07.42 | dvs | Yeah! He's cheap! |
| 19:07.44 | dvs | hides |
| 19:07.53 | ttick | okay, out of the box this system fails "modprobe dm-mod", how would I go about installing dm-mod w/o compiling my own kernel or anything? |
| 19:07.56 | Doug52392 | Yeah, we really need a version of Debian with a 3-process limit! Debian Basic! |
| 19:07.56 | stew | it was free as in beer |
| 19:07.58 | Caelum | what's a simple firewall script that will block everything except port 80 and ping |
| 19:08.01 | OpenTokix | FalscherHase: you can install the amd64-kernel on a 32bit system |
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| 19:08.03 | MarkJones | I hope someone in the community makes some nice disc set label graphics. |
| 19:08.06 | dvs | FalscherHase: need bigmem version of kernel |
| 19:08.14 | stew | Doug52392: that might be the hurd port you are looking for |
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| 19:08.25 | dvs | oh, it is bigmem sorry |
| 19:08.29 | stew | MarkJones: you could be that person |
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| 19:09.18 | Wyzard | FalscherHase: I think that's a hardware/BIOS limitation, relating to some of the physical address space being used by other hardware, like your video card |
| 19:09.21 | FalscherHase | OpenTokix: oh, i didn't imagine that to be possible. i'll try it, thanks |
| 19:09.37 | OpenTokix | FalscherHase: yw |
| 19:09.52 | MarkJones | true |
| 19:09.59 | FalscherHase | Wyzard: so do you think there's a bios setting for this? or can't i do anything about it? |
| 19:10.00 | MarkJones | I might just make some. |
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| 19:10.09 | OpenTokix | FalscherHase: I assume you have a 64bit cpu |
| 19:10.15 | OpenTokix | FalscherHase: like a core 2 duo or similar? |
| 19:10.16 | Jemt | Yeah, I am really happy that you guys opened up for Java applications in the main repository ! :D |
| 19:10.18 | FalscherHase | OpenTokix: yes |
| 19:10.31 | Wyzard | FalscherHase: It's not something there's a setting for; mapping address space to hardware is something the BIOS just has to do |
| 19:10.44 | FalscherHase | Wyzard: ok, thanks |
| 19:11.00 | Wyzard | FalscherHase: It seems to work differently for 64-bit kernels, though, so try using the amd64 kernel like OpenTokix suggested |
| 19:11.01 | ttick | could someone please tell me how to do this: "Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec" ? |
| 19:11.03 | stew | Jemt: we've had them in main for years |
| 19:11.17 | Wyzard | FalscherHase: personally I'd just reinstall using real amd64 Debian |
| 19:11.26 | stew | ttick: grep SHA256 /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 19:11.37 | OpenTokix | FalscherHase: I have done that personally, worked perfectly |
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| 19:11.44 | Jemt | stew: "The availability and updates of OpenJDK, GNU Java compiler, GNU Java bytecode interpreter, Classpath and other free versions of Sun's Java technology, into Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 allow us to ship Java-based applications in Debian's main repository." (From the release notes) |
| 19:11.49 | OpenTokix | FalscherHase: installing 32bit + bigmem - and then switched kernel |
| 19:11.54 | stuckey | Hello---I'm having some trouble with my network connection. When booting up the machine the network connection doesn't come up, I have to manually "/etc/init.d/networking restart" for the internet to work. Would someone please offer me some help? |
| 19:11.58 | ttick | stew: grep: /boot/config-2.6.26.5: No such file or directory |
| 19:11.58 | stuckey | Here is my network interfaces file: http://paste.debian.net/28435/ |
| 19:12.12 | stew | ttick: then grep the .config wherever you compiled it |
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| 19:12.47 | ttick | stew: by 'it' you mean the kernel? I haven't -- this is a bin-distro box. |
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| 19:12.59 | stew | ttick: who compiled the kernel for you? |
| 19:13.05 | niriven | Can anyone tell me whats new in debian 5? Or where i can find out? |
| 19:13.12 | ttick | stew: the company I bought the hardware from. |
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| 19:13.28 | ttick | stew: a mini-server dealio. |
| 19:13.31 | Wyzard | niriven: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 |
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| 19:13.48 | ttick | stew: specifically, it's this: http://www.ctexcito.com/techspecs.html |
| 19:13.48 | niriven | Wyzard, thanks |
| 19:13.52 | Wyzard | niriven: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html |
| 19:13.54 | stew | ttick: does /proc/config.gz exist? |
| 19:13.55 | dvs | No KDE 4? Yuck! |
| 19:14.11 | ttick | stew: yes |
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| 19:14.31 | stew | ttick: zgrep SHA256 /proc/config.gz |
| 19:15.03 | ttick | stew: "# CONFIG_CRYPTO_SHA256 is not set" :/ |
| 19:15.11 | stew | ttick: there is your answer |
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| 19:15.22 | ttick | stew: thanks. I guess I'll beg them to compile it in nexttime |
| 19:15.31 | marsje | did anyone see this problem with exim4-config: http://pastebin.com/d586707d5 ? |
| 19:15.35 | stew | ttick: you can't use a debian kernel? |
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| 19:15.43 | marsje | when upgrading to lenny |
| 19:15.44 | dustybin | did lennys release go smooth? |
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| 19:16.07 | nkuttler | marsje: yes |
| 19:16.08 | ttick | stew: this is a debian distro, but I htink the hardware company rolls their own kernel to make it work on their hardware. |
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| 19:16.28 | marsje | nkuttler: how did you solve it? I don't understand it... |
| 19:16.31 | stew | dustybin: yes, it took much longer than expected to build the isos but everything went as planned otherwise |
| 19:16.42 | dustybin | ace :) |
| 19:16.43 | stew | dustybin: the entire process took 23.5 hours |
| 19:16.45 | nkuttler | marsje: read it again. then fix your config. |
| 19:16.48 | ttick | stew: not sure if they provide source or not -- I'd rather this box be a toaster, not hobby. :/ |
| 19:16.52 | dustybin | jeeze |
| 19:17.00 | marsje | nkuttler: fix as in use the workaround mentioned? |
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| 19:17.15 | nsadmin | heyy, now there are three news items posted in 2009! |
| 19:17.16 | marsje | nkuttler: I don't see the string DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF anywhere.. |
| 19:17.30 | nkuttler | marsje: how about DEBCONF? |
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| 19:18.15 | marsje | nkuttler: so it's about "DEBCONF" and not about "DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF"?? |
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| 19:19.01 | marsje | nkuttler: DEBCONF is all over the place |
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| 19:19.09 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 19:19.19 | faffi | hi |
| 19:19.19 | sobersabre | I'm having problem with upgade to lenny from etch. |
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| 19:19.26 | faffi | what problem is that |
| 19:19.29 | sobersabre | i386 system |
| 19:19.32 | dvs | join the club! ;-) |
| 19:19.35 | sobersabre | the problem is with the gconf schema. |
| 19:19.51 | sobersabre | of the package gnome-terminal-data |
| 19:20.05 | sobersabre | does anybody have a good file.schema for this damn thing ? |
| 19:20.19 | MarkJones | Does anyone know what is on the 5.0 live rescue cd image? |
| 19:20.37 | sobersabre | MarkJones: I think it's 5.0 live rescue CD image. |
| 19:20.40 | sobersabre | why do you ask ? |
| 19:20.55 | soopy | nkuttler, if I download the etch deb for postgresql 7.4 and install it , would that make it the same as compiling->backporting ? |
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| 19:21.23 | nsadmin | soopy: bi |
| 19:21.26 | nkuttler | soopy: no |
| 19:21.28 | nsadmin | err |
| 19:21.28 | MarkJones | Yeah I know that.hehe I just wondered what was actually on it as far as apps or features. |
| 19:21.30 | nsadmin | soopy: no |
| 19:21.42 | MarkJones | I might have to try it. |
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| 19:21.58 | soopy | ok I will follow the appropriate instructions :) |
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| 19:22.28 | MarkJones | Im also wondering about the standard cd image.I might have to test em on a VirtBox. |
| 19:22.31 | wp | hi |
| 19:22.38 | sobersabre | MarkJones: what is it that you want ? |
| 19:22.39 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 19:23.05 | sobersabre | anyway, about the gnome-terminal-data... is anybody having problem with it, or is it just me ? |
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| 19:24.11 | marsje | nkuttler: I'm no exim expert. Can you tell me what I have to _do_ to fix it? |
| 19:24.24 | MarkJones | Do I ave to want anything to just be chatting? hehe Im just excited about the new release.Impressed by all the stuff they came out with.Lots of cool options. |
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| 19:24.52 | boodie | Damn! I am upgrading etch -> lenny, and I did 'aptitude upgrade' following the "Upgrading from previous releases" but it warned me after it started, that 'aptitude upgrade' is deprecated, and "aptitude safe-upgrade" should be used instead, only it told it after the process was launched ... now it's chewing the 15235th package |
| 19:24.56 | nkuttler | marsje: install the config from the new exim4-config package, dpkg --extract it if necessary. then add your changes back to the config. |
| 19:25.06 | DeSian | changed the sources list to Squeeze bu "full-upgrade" do nothing! |
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| 19:25.26 | jelly-home | boodie: that's just a small syntax change, there's no change in functionality. |
| 19:25.31 | nkuttler | DeSian: did you update? |
| 19:25.41 | boodie | hmmm I am worried |
| 19:25.42 | DeSian | nkuttler: yes. |
| 19:25.46 | stew | DeSian: squeeze is identical to lenny right now. later today squeeze gets 2528 new packages |
| 19:25.59 | DeSian | aha stew thanx |
| 19:26.04 | DeSian | u r the best |
| 19:26.07 | marsje | nkuttler: it's gonna be a mess... thanks anyway |
| 19:26.12 | stew | actually later today being very soon: http://ftp-master.debian.org/dinstall.html |
| 19:26.30 | nsadmin | what was the exact time of release? |
| 19:26.30 | jelly-home | boodie: in other words, safe-upgrade does the exact same thing, only without the warning |
| 19:26.48 | boodie | Jeez; I didn't know I had so many packages installed (or is it scanning them all)? |
| 19:26.50 | nkuttler | marsje: i didn't like the exim upgrade either. you gotta do what you gotta do. |
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| 19:27.05 | stew | nsadmin: a few minutes after 1000 UTC today |
| 19:27.05 | jelly-home | !seen chealer |
| 19:27.05 | dpkg | chealer <~chealer@69.171.143.133> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 40m 47s ago, saying: 'billybigrigger: it's not in experimental, no'. |
| 19:27.18 | boodie | jelly-home: weird |
| 19:27.40 | sobersabre | has anybody have problems during etch->lenny upgrade ? |
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| 19:28.02 | marsje | nkuttler: the exim4 confif is definately the most complicated part of debian |
| 19:28.05 | sobersabre | s/has/does/ |
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| 19:28.27 | boodie | now is somewhere at 15400 pkgs, 1360 left behind, 100 in conflict |
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| 19:29.00 | dvs | 15400 packages installed!?! |
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| 19:29.17 | boodie | No, I hope not! |
| 19:29.34 | dvs | 1360 sounds more reasonable. |
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| 19:29.41 | jelly-home | boodie: pastebin the output instead of confusing the people |
| 19:29.42 | boodie | but to be honest I don't understand what it's doing |
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| 19:29.54 | Burps | Hi all |
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| 19:30.42 | dustybin | if squeeze gets a sh** load of packages later, would it be stable enough to use as a desktop? or should one wait a good few months before one uses squeeze for desktop uses? |
| 19:30.47 | Burps | So here come the lenny upgrade issues... ;) Ia have a DEll Laptop xps 1330 : upgarded from etch to lenny : now my keybord dosn't work on the kdm login screen (but does work in console) : any idea ? |
| 19:30.51 | boodie | It's in Italian + select & paste doesen't seem to work |
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| 19:31.42 | boodie | It could be that it' scanning all the packages, but only 1360 are in my Linux box |
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| 19:32.09 | Stanlin | HELp!!!! how to print?? |
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| 19:32.37 | Burps | Stanlin: apt-get install cups, but I thinkl you should be more specific in your question... |
| 19:32.45 | maelcum|konv | control-p? printscreen? |
| 19:32.59 | sobersabre | Stanlin: cat file | lpr |
| 19:33.04 | Stanlin | Burps: ok install |
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| 19:33.48 | boodie | An upgrade is a tricky job - no wonder it took them so long to tweak things |
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| 19:35.24 | Stanlin | ok , cops are installed |
| 19:35.34 | octoserver | anyone ever see a HP netbook with one CPU have cat /proc/cpuinfo show two cores? |
| 19:35.35 | nightglider28 | *cups? |
| 19:35.49 | dvs | octoserver: Hyperthreading. |
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| 19:36.07 | nightglider28 | dvs: Whhy would hyperthreading show two cores? |
| 19:36.13 | octoserver | yea? |
| 19:36.24 | td- | cuz it does |
| 19:36.26 | dvs | nightglider28: That's how it works. |
| 19:36.32 | carbonize | When we run 'apt-get update' where are the downloaded files saved? |
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| 19:36.45 | octoserver | isnt that jsut on the application level ? |
| 19:36.58 | Stanlin | my brother mfc 7840 aint detected |
| 19:37.03 | nightglider28 | I tuses unused xycles in a single core. :/ |
| 19:37.10 | dvs | octoserver: yes |
| 19:37.13 | nightglider28 | And I'm lagging like hell.l.. |
| 19:37.22 | dvs | octoserver: phsically, it is one CPU. |
| 19:37.30 | octoserver | having multiple threads? on the same cpu shows at two cpus? |
| 19:37.33 | dvs | octoserver: what CPU is it? |
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| 19:37.45 | maher | octoserver: if you have a dual core cpu... |
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| 19:37.46 | octoserver | i think it is the atom |
| 19:37.47 | Stanlin | Burps: installed, but i cant see my printer, its network wireless printer |
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| 19:38.03 | nightglider28 | octoserver: Hyperthreading is single-core but uses unused cycles. |
| 19:38.13 | nightglider28 | isn't sure about atom.. |
| 19:38.14 | octoserver | single core on the ho mini, cat /proc/cpuinfo shows two cores ? |
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| 19:38.25 | octoserver | *HP mini |
| 19:38.26 | Burps | Stanlin! open your browser at http://localhost:631 |
| 19:38.37 | Stanlin | Burps: oki |
| 19:38.40 | Wyzard | octoserver: hyperthreading is two execution contexts sharing a single core |
| 19:38.51 | Selveste1 | is it possible to prevent resolv.conf to be update ? cause my ISP updates my IP-address all the time, and this is constantly changing my resolv.conf |
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| 19:38.58 | Wyzard | octoserver: it really does look like two processors to the OS; they just share one set of processing resources |
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| 19:39.22 | Stanlin | Burps: how to install network printers |
| 19:39.52 | Burps | don't know |
| 19:39.54 | sobersabre | Stanlin: you're on your way. the web interface is supposed to be a GUI to do all this sh1te. |
| 19:40.00 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me where i can get dig for lenny? ;..; |
| 19:40.16 | nsadmin | dnsutils |
| 19:40.27 | sobersabre | mischief6: apt-cache search dig |
| 19:40.33 | mischief6 | sobersabre, did |
| 19:40.39 | mischief6 | nsadmin, its in that package? |
| 19:40.50 | nsadmin | I think so |
| 19:40.56 | mischief6 | awesome-o |
| 19:41.05 | stuckey | Does anyone here know how to make a PPPoE connection active at boot? |
| 19:41.08 | mischief6 | also, what is the difference between apt-* and aptitude? |
| 19:41.19 | Stanlin | sobersabre: mmm the search doesnt find anything |
| 19:41.40 | nsadmin | stuckey: how do you do it not at boot? |
| 19:41.41 | valdyn | stuckey: thats the default |
| 19:41.50 | carbonize | Sorry for repeating, I want to know where does 'APT' stores downloaded files? |
| 19:41.55 | valdyn | stuckey: at least if you used pppoeconf |
| 19:42.01 | dfighter | wow mc's default editor is nano now wtf... |
| 19:42.04 | amphi | carbonize: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 19:42.10 | newsense | /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 19:42.25 | sobersabre | Stanlin: what are you searching for ? |
| 19:42.29 | stuckey | nsadmin: I just reboot and it doens't work. It's that simple. |
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| 19:42.43 | carbonize | Thank you @ amphi & newsense |
| 19:42.43 | nsadmin | so how do you get on the net? |
| 19:42.46 | duglas | I want to extract from a working system a list of all the pkgs installed by "apt-get" ... this list should not include any pkgs installed as dependencys by apt-get. |
| 19:42.59 | valdyn | stuckey: did you use pppoeconf to set up pppoe? |
| 19:43.04 | stuckey | valdyn: Mine doesn't work... I just installed this sytem with the boot option "install modules=ppp-udeb" and the connection worked during the installation. However, it doesn't work upon boot until I do "/etc/init.d/networking restart". |
| 19:43.07 | sobersabre | Stanlin: do you know what is your network printer's hostname ? |
| 19:43.35 | valdyn | stuckey: show your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:43.44 | stuckey | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/28435/ |
| 19:43.46 | nkuttler | stuckey: can you pon it? |
| 19:43.55 | stuckey | nkuttler: what's that mean? |
| 19:44.00 | sobersabre | guys, I need to download gnome-terminal-data package directly. |
| 19:44.00 | dvs | o_O |
| 19:44.07 | nsadmin | stuckey: oh, you probably need an auto somethign in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:44.10 | newsense | duglas: debfoster keeps such a list, not sure about where to find that information in apt's db |
| 19:44.11 | sobersabre | The problem is it's installed and not configured. |
| 19:44.29 | sobersabre | so, when trying to use apt-get install --print-uris, I don't get a URL for some reason. |
| 19:44.34 | stuckey | nsadmin: I get that feeling too. ANd I wish I knew what that something was. |
| 19:44.34 | nkuttler | stuckey: man pon, default pon dsl-provider afaik |
| 19:44.36 | valdyn | stuckey: youre interfaces name is "provider" ? |
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| 19:44.47 | duglas | tks ... I will look at debfoster |
| 19:44.51 | sobersabre | can somebody paste a link to the package for i386, lenny |
| 19:44.53 | sobersabre | ? |
| 19:45.02 | stuckey | valdyn: that's what is in /etc/ppp/peers |
| 19:45.08 | marsje | how can I totally remove and reinstall exim in debian5? |
| 19:45.15 | valdyn | stuckey: irrelevant, interfaces are listed in ifconfig |
| 19:45.20 | marsje | everything is screwed up |
| 19:45.31 | stuckey | valdyn: You want to see ifconfig? |
| 19:45.36 | nsadmin | stuckey: look at your /etc/network/interfaces and pastebin it so we can see |
| 19:45.37 | valdyn | stuckey: that interfaces part wasnt autogenerated but you did set it? |
| 19:45.41 | nkuttler | marsje: purge it, then install. but why? |
| 19:45.43 | Selveste1 | dpkg --purge exim :P and then apt-get install exim |
| 19:45.43 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up exim :P and then apt-get install exim all over selveste1 and p0g0... |
| 19:45.51 | marsje | nkuttler: I don't know how else to fix it |
| 19:45.56 | valdyn | stuckey: if you cannot figure out the name if your ppp interface, then show me the whole output of ifconfig |
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| 19:46.03 | nsadmin | maybe the module isn't loaded early enough |
| 19:46.06 | stuckey | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/28435/ |
| 19:46.10 | nkuttler | marsje: install the config from the new exim4-config package, dpkg --extract it if necessary. then add your changes back to the config. |
| 19:46.25 | stuckey | valdyn: what interfaces part? everything that's in interfaces was autogenerated. |
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| 19:46.40 | sobersabre | can somebody paste a link to the package for i386, lenny of gnome-terminal-data ? |
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| 19:46.50 | stuckey | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/28436/ |
| 19:46.58 | marsje | nkuttler: I removed exim4 already... but when I reinstall it gives error about the config (which I just rm -rf'd) |
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| 19:47.10 | nkuttler | marsje: how do you reinstall it? |
| 19:47.12 | sobersabre | can somebody paste a link to the package for i386, lenny of gnome-terminal-data ? |
| 19:47.18 | Selveste1 | marsje try dpkg --purge exim :P |
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| 19:47.26 | stuckey | nsadmin: Like I siad, I just installed this, so I haven't changed anything. Everything that's there was autogenerated by using the "install modules=ppp-udeb" at boot. |
| 19:47.39 | marsje | nkuttler: aptitude remove exim4, aptitude install exim4-daemon-light |
| 19:47.41 | sobersabre | Somebody please paste a URL to the package for i386, lenny of gnome-terminal-data ? |
| 19:48.03 | nkuttler | marsje: i said purge |
| 19:48.06 | marsje | nkuttler: as of today I'm using aptitude instead of apt-get and it confuses me as well |
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| 19:48.12 | sobersabre | or the output of your: apt-get install --print-uris gnome-terminal-data |
| 19:48.21 | carbonize | I want to upgrade to lenny, but I have only 1.6 Gigs on '/var' partition & I don't wish to mess with other partitions. Is there a way out? |
| 19:48.37 | nkuttler | marsje: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.69-9_all.deb |
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| 19:48.57 | dvs | carbonize: Tried "apt-get autoclean"? |
| 19:49.02 | Selveste1 | sobersabre : http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-terminal/gnome-terminal-data_2.22.3-3_all.deb |
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| 19:49.04 | valdyn | stuckey: http://paste.debian.net/28438 |
| 19:49.11 | valdyn | stuckey: i dont know what fucked up your entry |
| 19:49.15 | sobersabre | carbonize: apt-get cleanl mkdir /home/archives; cd /var/cache/apt; mv archives archives.old; ln -s /home/archives |
| 19:49.19 | Olof_ | hello, i recently performed an upgrade from etch to lenny (today) |
| 19:49.21 | Setebos | sobersabre, use xterm, plus screenrc, and let gnome-terminal away from your box |
| 19:49.32 | sobersabre | carbonize: use the brains while pasting my text... |
| 19:49.36 | Olof_ | and when i restart my webserver i get the following error "[warn] The Alias directive in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf at line 240 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier Alias." |
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| 19:49.52 | stuckey | valdyn: But what you gave me should be substitude for what I have in my file now? |
| 19:49.54 | sobersabre | Setebos: I can't remove it in this broken state. |
| 19:49.54 | Olof_ | it happened when i installed phpmyadmin i think |
| 19:49.56 | carbonize | Sure, thanks @ sobersabre |
| 19:49.59 | stuckey | valdyn: should I file a bug report on this perhaps? |
| 19:50.06 | valdyn | stuckey: i dont know |
| 19:50.08 | Olof_ | had anyone experienced the same error? |
| 19:50.29 | nkuttler | marsje: and next time when you do an upgrade, check the differences in the config files |
| 19:50.31 | sobersabre | Selveste1: thanks. getting it. |
| 19:50.45 | Selveste1 | sobersabre : np :) |
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| 19:51.23 | marsje | nkuttler: I know... there were too many changes in the past for me to understand what it meant... anyway. it was working fine until before the upgrade |
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| 19:51.26 | sobersabre | ( i mean s/cleanl/clean;/ ) |
| 19:51.27 | Selveste1 | is it possible to prevent resolv.conf to be update ? cause my ISP updates my IP-address all the time, and this is constantly changing my resolv.conf |
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| 19:51.50 | nsadmin | Selveste1 look into the package resolvconf |
| 19:52.10 | nsadmin | it adds syntax to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:52.24 | Macskeeball2 | I've updated from Etch to Lenny today. The only unofficial thing I'd been running was Folding@Home. I see it running in top after a reboot, so I think it's working, but is it known to have problems with Lenny? |
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| 19:53.14 | nsadmin | if it's unofficial, it's not known whether that's known |
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| 19:53.25 | Macskeeball2 | I installed Folding via finstall if it matters. |
| 19:53.26 | Macskeeball2 | Ok. |
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| 19:53.34 | csc_ | hello |
| 19:53.41 | nsadmin | what's a finstall? |
| 19:53.49 | Macskeeball2 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome/finstall |
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| 19:54.04 | Macskeeball2 | That page applies to Debian as well. |
| 19:54.16 | csc_ | i am trying to disable the prompt of a password from the samba server when mounting a shared dir. do you have any idea on what options i have to use? google does not help |
| 19:54.42 | Macskeeball2 | finstall is the semi-official installer for Folding@Home on Unix. |
| 19:54.52 | thender | hi. I have 3 NICs in a box here, and I am trying to make it so they can all connect to their respective networks and play nice in one machine when one program is binding to all 3. so far i've gotten it to work with 2, but not 3. here is my iproute script http://pastebin.com/m44b2b4fa |
| 19:55.09 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:55.11 | thender | does anything look wrong with that? anything i put in the table 3 spot gets rerouted to table 2 for some reason |
| 19:55.14 | sobersabre | Selveste1: I think you've helped me out! |
| 19:55.34 | sobersabre | moved past that error with gnome-terminal-data.scheme parsing error. |
| 19:55.47 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 19:56.38 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me if i actually need 3 instances of rsyslogd..? |
| 19:56.59 | sobersabre | Macskeeball2: does Folding@HOME run via BOINC ? |
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| 19:57.09 | Macskeeball2 | sobersabre: No |
| 19:57.14 | sobersabre | well, how then ? |
| 19:57.15 | enouf | carbonize: another option might be apt-cdrom |
| 19:57.20 | Macskeeball2 | It has it's own client. |
| 19:57.23 | sobersabre | Macskeeball2: do you know what BOINC is ? |
| 19:57.29 | Macskeeball2 | Yes. |
| 19:57.41 | sobersabre | ok, so ... does that thing run under special user ? |
| 19:57.42 | carbonize | Yes, but that'd mean I'll have to download all of the ISOs @ enouf |
| 19:57.44 | Macskeeball2 | SETI and many other distriibuted computing projects use BOINC. |
| 19:57.47 | enouf | carbonize: or apt-zip with usb sticks/drives or something - but that seems like a PITA to keep doing for updtaes/upgrades |
| 19:57.58 | Macskeeball2 | Ah, ok. |
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| 19:58.07 | sobersabre | Macskeeball2: can you answer ? |
| 19:58.13 | enouf | carbonize: well, a cd/dvd RW media might make it simpler |
| 19:58.17 | Macskeeball2 | sobersabre: I dunno. Let me check. |
| 19:58.17 | nkuttler | csc_: the sambe howto is quite thorough |
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| 19:58.23 | enouf | carbonize: think about buying some more HDDs ;-) |
| 19:58.26 | Wyzard | mischief6: On a single machine? |
| 19:58.27 | jamon | carbonize: apt-proxy? |
| 19:58.31 | sobersabre | I mean if it does, it has a HOME, and it should have a log. |
| 19:58.39 | mischief6 | Wyzard, yeah, its a vps that has debian 5 |
| 19:58.56 | sobersabre | Besides it should have some kind of "done work" monitoring. |
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| 19:59.13 | sobersabre | if yours increased by any means since the upgrade, I don't think you have any problems. |
| 19:59.17 | Macskeeball2 | sobersabre: No, it doesn't have a home. |
| 19:59.32 | sobersabre | so, does it have a ~/somefolder or ~/.somefolder ? |
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| 19:59.44 | carbonize | Thanks, people! |
| 19:59.52 | boodie | 16837 packages scanned! Does anybody know how many there are? |
| 19:59.57 | Wyzard | mischief6: and you see 3 instances of rsyslogd running? |
| 20:00.04 | sobersabre | Macskeeball2: "~" means your home directory. |
| 20:00.04 | mischief6 | yeah |
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| 20:00.11 | CoolCold | congrats with first security fix in lenny (: |
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| 20:00.17 | Burps | btw : found my laptop keybooard lenny upgrade problem : apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd |
| 20:00.23 | Macskeeball2 | sobersabre: Yes, it has a ~/foldingathome |
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| 20:00.35 | Macskeeball2 | I'm examining that now. |
| 20:00.38 | sobersabre | Macskeeball2: ... do you think something will happen, if you look in there.... ? |
| 20:00.39 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 20:00.56 | file-exists-p | hi. how to prevent my usb hub from resuming my thinkpad 3s after it suspends to ram ? |
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| 20:01.05 | scgtrp | what's the fastest way to deselect all of aptitude's recommendations to install gnome packages? |
| 20:01.42 | Wyzard | mischief6: Most likely you're seeing 3 threads of one rsyslogd process, but depending on where you're seeing it, it could be an indication that you're using an old threads implementation |
| 20:01.46 | enouf | Burps: i recall a similar issue you described the fix for when people were upgrading to etch from sarge - fix was; install these 2 pkgs; xorg-xserver-video-all xorg-xserver-input-all |
| 20:01.56 | scgtrp | and also, how do you quit tasksel? |
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| 20:02.14 | mischief6 | Wyzard, each one has a different PID. i am looking at them in htop. |
| 20:02.14 | enouf | scgtrp: use SPACEBAR to toggle on/off? |
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| 20:02.22 | nkuttler | scgtrp: try /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 20:02.37 | Wyzard | mischief6: OK, htop is just misleading about that |
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| 20:02.41 | enouf | scgtrp: within the Installer? |
| 20:02.48 | Wyzard | mischief6: Run "ps -eLf | grep rsyslog" |
| 20:03.13 | scgtrp | enouf: no, quit tasksel entirely, i was attempting to use it to remove gnome |
| 20:03.20 | Wyzard | mischief6: Notice that the three lins have the same value in the PID column, but different values in the LWP column (and those values are the ones you see as "PID" in htop) |
| 20:03.22 | enouf | mischief6: are some children? use f5 to toggle tree view |
| 20:03.23 | Selveste1 | I'm thinking about buying some HDDs, but is it possible to add the new drive to my already existing raid and then expand the partition ? |
| 20:03.31 | enouf | scgtrp: oh ... |
| 20:03.43 | enouf | scgtrp: then see nkuttler 's answer |
| 20:03.53 | Wyzard | mischief6: and notice that they all have an NLWP value of 3 |
| 20:03.55 | Macskeeball2 | sobersabre: Yes, Folding@Home is indeed working for me on Lenny. Thanks. |
| 20:03.55 | scgtrp | yeah, doing that |
| 20:04.03 | enouf | Selveste1: what kind of raid? |
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| 20:04.17 | Selveste1 | raid 0 and 1 |
| 20:04.21 | mischief6 | Wyzard, so it is only one instance? :x |
| 20:04.25 | scgtrp | hm. it appears that i somehow didn't get all of the base system (just had to install sudo and psmisc myself) - is there a base system metapackage i can install for that stuff? |
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| 20:04.37 | Wyzard | mischief6: yes, one process with three threads |
| 20:04.38 | enouf | scgtrp: might look into -R aptitude option |
| 20:04.47 | Wyzard | mischief6: The LWP number is actually the thread ID, not process ID |
| 20:04.50 | sobersabre | Macskeeball2: np |
| 20:05.12 | enouf | scgtrp: there is pkgs of priority important+required+standard .. |
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| 20:05.36 | nkuttler | scgtrp: and optional. like sudo. |
| 20:05.37 | mischief6 | enouf, why does it seem like many F* keys don't work in htop -.- |
| 20:05.39 | enouf | scgtrp: which constitute a base-install, although policy doesn't need to include ~standard |
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| 20:05.58 | enouf | mischief6: i think you might need to set it up = check any ~/.htoprc files? |
| 20:06.01 | Wyzard | mischief6: If you see them having different process IDs, though (e.g. different PID values in the output of "ps -eLf"), that's a sign that you're using the old "linuxthreads" threading implementation, rather than the newer NPTL |
| 20:06.18 | enouf | mischief6: in Linux Console, i notice some funk when using htop |
| 20:06.26 | mischief6 | thanks for removing the ambiguity Wyzard |
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| 20:06.54 | mischief6 | enouf, i only ever use htop through ssh :s |
| 20:07.01 | sobersabre | guys, I have a general question: when using freebsd, and compilihg stuff, I can see things running FAR faster, than when compiling the same things in linux. |
| 20:07.10 | sobersabre | It's not related to how much overhead. |
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| 20:07.21 | sobersabre | I think it's related to the speed of the console. |
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| 20:07.35 | samsun | when i attempt to do a netinstall on my laptop using debian-500-i386-netinst.iso, the install seems to freeze after "Retrieving fil 811 of 811". any pointers on where i can look to figure out what's going wrong? |
| 20:07.49 | samsun | this is my first attempt at installing debian |
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| 20:07.57 | jelly-home | sobersabre: In console? Are you using the framebuffer console? In X? |
| 20:08.04 | stun__ | hi all |
| 20:08.04 | sobersabre | both |
| 20:08.12 | Stanlin | sobersabre: help |
| 20:08.15 | stun__ | i just installed debian 5 |
| 20:08.22 | sobersabre | maybe it's tty setup |
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| 20:08.26 | stun__ | and someone it seems it dosnt support my ATI card |
| 20:08.27 | Stanlin | Help my brother mfc 7840 aint detected |
| 20:08.33 | stun__ | all i get is black screen |
| 20:08.33 | Stanlin | Help my brother mfc 7840 aint detected by cops |
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| 20:09.00 | jelly-home | sobersabre: so is it a text or a framebuffer console? |
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| 20:09.17 | sobersabre | both are slower than fbsd |
| 20:09.18 | nkuttler | samsun: hm, ctrl+alt+f1 and check the processes? |
| 20:09.20 | enouf | Stanlin: dcop? ..oh, CUPS? |
| 20:09.27 | Stanlin | enouf: cups sorry |
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| 20:09.43 | enouf | Stanlin: seen linuxprinting.org? no idea, sorry |
| 20:09.46 | nkuttler | samsun: there's probably some log on some console too |
| 20:09.49 | stun__ | could someone please help me? |
| 20:10.04 | stun__ | !ati |
| 20:10.04 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
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| 20:10.15 | stun__ | !radeabhd |
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| 20:10.17 | Stanlin | hello Help my brother mfc 7840 aint detected by cops in debian |
| 20:10.22 | stun__ | !radeanhd |
| 20:10.27 | stun__ | lol |
| 20:10.30 | samsun | nkuttler: i see the the last package download in the console, and then see no activity after that. i've let it sit for about 30 minutes, i assume that's not normal ;) |
| 20:10.38 | stun__ | !radeonhd |
| 20:10.38 | dpkg | [radeonhd] the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:10.39 | jelly-home | Stanlin: please use "/msg dpkg radeonhd" instead of !... |
| 20:10.48 | jelly-home | stun__: please use "/msg dpkg radeonhd" instead of !... |
| 20:11.06 | nkuttler | samsun: well, run top |
| 20:11.14 | nkuttler | samsun: but usually, no |
| 20:11.26 | Stanlin | jelly-home: i have problems with my pruinter not owith my video card |
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| 20:11.56 | jelly-home | Stanlin: apologies for the mistyped nickname |
| 20:11.59 | samsun | nkuttler, ok. i was thinking about downloading full dvd images and trying that. will dvd #1 give me everything i need to finish the initial install? |
| 20:12.15 | Stanlin | jelly-home: apologies accepted... help me lol |
| 20:12.18 | nkuttler | samsun: never used one |
| 20:12.21 | samsun | k |
| 20:12.27 | jelly-home | Stanlin: I won't, lol |
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| 20:12.54 | nkuttler | stun__: the vesa driver could work. try that in the meantime |
| 20:12.58 | Stanlin | jelly-home: you must be abrotman relative |
| 20:13.03 | enouf | samsun: are you sure you have a very recent ISO, and you ran checksums on it? |
| 20:13.14 | jelly-home | Stanlin: if I must! |
| 20:13.17 | samsun | enouf: i didnt checksum it, i'll do that |
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| 20:13.30 | stun__ | nkuttler: cant get tp gdm i did ctrl +alt F1 to get to terminal |
| 20:13.41 | stun__ | any idea to get GUI running? |
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| 20:13.48 | enouf | samsun: well, the ISO is now burned? choose the Check Integrity option at boot |
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| 20:14.02 | samsun | enouf, will do |
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| 20:14.16 | jelly-home | sobersabre: "time seq 1 100000" in console? |
| 20:14.16 | enouf | samsun: but if it's not an ISO from say today - i'd try a brand new one .. atleast .. |
| 20:14.19 | samsun | enouf, i'm testing the disk in a virtual machine now |
| 20:14.21 | nkuttler | stun__: add Driver "vesa" in the Device secion |
| 20:14.29 | samsun | enouf, its from yesterday |
| 20:14.34 | sobersabre | jelly-home: moment. |
| 20:14.42 | jelly-home | sobersabre: in _text mode_ console, to be more precise, not a fb one |
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| 20:14.50 | sobersabre | I thought I could simply change something like 3800 to 38000 |
| 20:14.52 | sobersabre | :) |
| 20:14.58 | stun__ | nkuttler: i cant install it using GUI need in shell, whats best solution installing it? |
| 20:15.00 | kurtz | can anyone tell me where I might be able to donwload bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw so I can install my NIC when installing the OS? |
| 20:15.08 | octoserver | what is the best backup util at this time in someones opinion? rsync perhaps ? |
| 20:15.13 | sobersabre | jelly-home: if I loaded fb drivers it won't be so easy now. |
| 20:15.20 | sobersabre | I'm in the middle of an upgrade :) |
| 20:15.20 | nkuttler | stun__: ctrl+alt+f1. vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:15.23 | stun__ | nkuttler: when pc reboots my screen goes all black |
| 20:15.29 | nkuttler | stun__: ah. that's bad |
| 20:16.17 | stun__ | nkuttler:oke did vi.. what to edit> |
| 20:16.18 | stun__ | ? |
| 20:16.23 | enouf | stun__: are you using fglrx or something? |
| 20:16.50 | stun__ | enouf: installed ATI drivers on installl using shell |
| 20:16.51 | sobersabre | jelly-home: real: 8.731 sec. |
| 20:16.51 | enouf | stun__: can you boot into recovery mode, alter your xorg.conf to include Vert/Hor refresh rates for your Monitor? |
| 20:17.07 | jelly-home | sobersabre: mine does 29.4s :-( |
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| 20:17.08 | enouf | stun__: ugh .. no idea with those |
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| 20:17.27 | gewt | should I update to 5.0? |
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| 20:17.41 | enouf | stun__: maybe even add a DisplaySize Xmm Ymm entry |
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| 20:17.55 | sobersabre | jelly-home: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "cpu MHz" |
| 20:18.00 | jelly-home | sobersabre: do you have X running? |
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| 20:18.12 | sobersabre | jelly-home: not now. |
| 20:18.19 | sobersabre | I mean yes now. sorry. |
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| 20:18.28 | gewt | ... |
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| 20:18.38 | jelly-home | sobersabre: in an rxvt-unicode-lite, it's about 2.0s |
| 20:18.38 | gewt | apt-get dist-upgarde says NOTHING to upgrade |
| 20:18.42 | nkuttler | stun__: so you do get to the linux console? |
| 20:18.46 | lfuser-845 | hello |
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| 20:18.49 | sobersabre | jelly-home: anyway, to my question :) |
| 20:19.02 | stun__ | nkuttler: yes |
| 20:19.02 | enouf | !bnx2 firmware |
| 20:19.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, bnx2 is the Broadcom NetXtreme II (BCM5706/5708) driver. Disabled in 'linux-2.6' 2.6.23-1 due to binary-only firmware, see http://bugs.debian.org/469349. Enabled again in 'linux-2.6' 2.6.24-7, install the <non-free> 'firmware-bnx2' package (etchnhalf, lenny) to enable driver use. Note: These devices will not be available during installation when using a <lenny>-based installer (this includes <etchnhalf>). |
| 20:19.03 | sobersabre | do you think it's related to the tty's line speed setup ? |
| 20:19.11 | stun__ | xorg.con nkuttler |
| 20:19.11 | enouf | kurtz: see ^^^ |
| 20:19.12 | jelly-home | sobersabre: no. |
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| 20:19.20 | nsadmin | gewt do you want to upgrade? |
| 20:19.24 | jelly-home | sobersabre: those aren't real ttys. |
| 20:19.26 | Stanlin | Holy mother of aligator, Brother makes drivers for Debian!!! |
| 20:19.28 | nkuttler | stun__: yeah, search Section "Device" |
| 20:19.29 | Stanlin | YOHOOO |
| 20:19.31 | gewt | yes |
| 20:19.36 | sobersabre | jelly-home: yes, I know they are not real :) |
| 20:19.50 | sobersabre | WHAT is then different ? kernel's attitude ? |
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| 20:20.03 | stun__ | nkuttler: oke Configured Video Device |
| 20:20.05 | nkuttler | stun__: add a line Driver "vesa" in it. the /etc/init.d/gdm start. the start your research how to get your ati drivers running |
| 20:20.17 | nsadmin | gewt as long as you're ok with things changing... go ahead |
| 20:20.19 | jelly-home | sobersabre: redraw time? who knows? |
| 20:20.22 | td123 | wow, this debian release has to be the nicest out of the box on this comp yet :D |
| 20:20.25 | gewt | nvm fized it |
| 20:20.29 | stun__ | nkuttler: 2th is aticonfig-Device[0] |
| 20:20.30 | gewt | fixed* |
| 20:20.35 | Tempus_Fugit | ok so im trying to install debian 4.0 i386 r6 into a laptop which is partitioned or going to be and upon install it cant find drivers for my dvd rw....now what |
| 20:20.40 | td123 | gj debian team |
| 20:20.41 | gpm | hi. i have a usb wireless thing. it seems to use rt73usb and rt2x00usb. i want to install with the netboot images from an ubuntu install (downloading linux and initrd.gz). i see these images have the rt2x00usb module but not rt73usb. is there a way i can build an alternate initrd.gz that also includes my wireless card and install that way? |
| 20:20.47 | nkuttler | stun__: paste the conf somewhere |
| 20:20.49 | Stanlin | jelly-home: when is the Debian Ultimate 7 coming out? |
| 20:20.58 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: try Lenny - which is stable now |
| 20:20.58 | stun__ | lol cant runnong on other pc |
| 20:21.00 | sobersabre | jelly-home: I did once time all this stuff, and the fbsd terminals and consoles were faster by times (especially the console) |
| 20:21.01 | stun__ | nkuttler: |
| 20:21.02 | jelly-home | Stanlin: ? |
| 20:21.06 | nkuttler | stun__: not here |
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| 20:21.13 | gpm | from ubuntu to testing |
| 20:21.14 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: see /topic |
| 20:21.16 | Tempus_Fugit | will it have drivers for my dvd rw |
| 20:21.17 | Stanlin | jelly-home: the new debian release |
| 20:21.21 | sobersabre | Stanlin: stop being Stalin. |
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| 20:21.33 | jelly-home | Stanlin: read the topic. |
| 20:21.33 | stun__ | wiat where to add the vesa part? |
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| 20:22.14 | Tempus_Fugit | ok let me try downloading that |
| 20:22.24 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: it most certainly would - no guarantees, but much newer kernel - if you want to try this; pass this at the boot: prompt; "installgui generic.all_generic_ide=1" (no quotes - remove {gui} for no GUI) |
| 20:22.30 | gewt | uh |
| 20:22.39 | gewt | whats a good mirror that's nto being attacked? |
| 20:22.40 | kurtz | enouf: can you suggest a work around? or should I just install with etch? |
| 20:22.48 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: alternatively; :"install libata.atapi_enabled=1" |
| 20:23.02 | Stanlin | Help!! ERROR : Brother LPD filter is not installed. how to fix it |
| 20:23.05 | jelly-home | sobersabre: frankly, I've no idea why would an xterm running in Xorg on fbsd be faster than an xterm on Xorg on Linux. |
| 20:23.34 | enouf | kurtz: i wouldn't fight it .. so if it works on Etch, install etch, upgrade to Lenny - please /msg dpkg release notes ; /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 20:23.42 | enouf | gah |
| 20:23.44 | sobersabre | jelly-home: I think it's priority of the task. if it's a tty related... is there some notion of a tty in the task ? |
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| 20:23.52 | enouf | i mean /msg dpkg lenny release notes kurtz |
| 20:23.57 | Stanlin | s.o.s. |
| 20:23.58 | sobersabre | I mean tty returns you a tty's name. |
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| 20:24.13 | sobersabre | or maybe the speed of the vc's in fbsd IS faster.\ |
| 20:24.14 | kurtz | enouf: ok thanks for the info |
| 20:24.25 | sobersabre | never had the time to search for an answer. only got to asking the question :) |
| 20:24.26 | kurtz | that sucks balls though :P |
| 20:24.43 | jelly-home | sobersabre: that's why I didn't say anything about the relative vc speed. ;-) |
| 20:24.45 | enouf | kurtz: blame your NIC Chip manufacturer ;-) |
| 20:24.48 | Tempus_Fugit | ty enouf |
| 20:24.54 | enouf | np |
| 20:25.03 | kurtz | indeed |
| 20:25.09 | sobersabre | relative to the inertial system of coordinates ? |
| 20:25.09 | Tempus_Fugit | i have a shell opened atm |
| 20:25.11 | sobersabre | :) |
| 20:25.28 | Tempus_Fugit | im on my desktop right now but laptop is on the bed |
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| 20:25.43 | Tempus_Fugit | which version of lenny would i want |
| 20:25.45 | Tempus_Fugit | alpha |
| 20:25.48 | Tempus_Fugit | or 386 |
| 20:25.52 | sobersabre | dpkg -l linux-image |
| 20:25.52 | dpkg | ii linux-image 2.6-3 sobersabre's private stamp collection |
| 20:25.56 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: what CPU? |
| 20:26.02 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 20:26.27 | stun__ | nkuttler: rebooting |
| 20:26.29 | Tempus_Fugit | sorry had to check its a new laptop |
| 20:26.39 | Tempus_Fugit | intel pentium dual core |
| 20:27.15 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: it's most likely .. yeah i386 or amd64 - but with amd64, it's all 64bit, so issues might arise when using certain DE apps, like java, flash, etc |
| 20:27.23 | jelly-home | Tempus_Fugit: if you don't know, use i386 |
| 20:27.37 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: so .. if you have less than 4G ram, go i386 |
| 20:27.39 | stun__ | nkuttler: same after reboot |
| 20:27.44 | sobersabre | jelly-home: who knows.... maybe it's an alpha desktop. |
| 20:27.46 | stun__ | changed xorg.conf |
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| 20:27.50 | Tempus_Fugit | yeah it has 3 gigs ram |
| 20:27.52 | sobersabre | Tempus_Fugit: is the desktop BIG ? |
| 20:28.03 | jelly-home | sobersabre: <Tempus_Fugit> sorry had to check its a new laptop |
| 20:28.05 | Tempus_Fugit | yes my desktop is huge |
| 20:28.07 | scgtrp | i'm getting this error trying to install some packages: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 20:28.12 | nightglider28 | Is there a PAE equivalent for Linux? |
| 20:28.12 | nkuttler | stun__: move your xorg.conf somewhere else and run startx |
| 20:28.21 | Tempus_Fugit | lapppy is on the bed |
| 20:28.21 | nkuttler | stun__: there's no need to reboot |
| 20:28.25 | jelly-home | nightglider28: yes, it's called "PAE". |
| 20:28.31 | enouf | scgtrp: you have other instances of apt/dpkg/aptitude running |
| 20:28.41 | Tempus_Fugit | my desktop is 64 bit |
| 20:28.42 | sobersabre | Tempus_Fugit: if you're into scientific computing, and you don't need flash... |
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| 20:28.52 | Tempus_Fugit | which is my next project to get on debian |
| 20:28.54 | nightglider28 | Ah, so that's not just Windows' solution, it's in general? |
| 20:29.02 | sobersabre | you may want to install amd64 onto your laptop. |
| 20:29.05 | jelly-home | nightglider28: PAE is a CPU feature. |
| 20:29.06 | enouf | nightglider28: no, it's an x86 issue |
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| 20:29.17 | enouf | nightglider28: and a 32bit one |
| 20:29.28 | nightglider28 | Oh, nice. |
| 20:29.30 | sobersabre | Tempus_Fugit: what is your next project? |
| 20:29.33 | nightglider28 | enouf: I'm aware. |
| 20:29.39 | Tempus_Fugit | i dont think the laptop is 64 bit compatible |
| 20:29.49 | jelly-home | nightglider28: Debian's -686-bigmem flavor kernels have it enabled. |
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| 20:29.55 | sobersabre | Tempus_Fugit: you said it's core duo... |
| 20:29.59 | enouf | nightglider28: to use PAE, just install a -bigmem kernel - /msg dpkg bigmem |
| 20:30.10 | nightglider28 | jelly-home: Thanks, but I was just wondering. I have no need for it. :) |
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| 20:30.17 | sobersabre | is it intel core 2 duo ? |
| 20:30.23 | nightglider28 | None of my machines have any more than 2 gigs. |
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| 20:30.50 | gpm | hi. i have a usb wireless thing. it seems to use rt73usb and rt2x00usb. i want to install with the netboot images from an ubuntu install (downloading linux and initrd.gz). i see these images have the rt2x00usb module but not rt73usb. is there a way i can build an alternate initrd.gz that also includes my wireless card and install that way? |
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| 20:31.16 | stun__ | nkuttler: oke xorg.conf moved |
| 20:31.24 | stun__ | getting fatal error |
| 20:31.28 | sobersabre | gpm: yes, we can! |
| 20:31.37 | sobersabre | :) :) :) |
| 20:31.55 | gpm | sobersabre: i don't even know which source to grab, let alone if there's a config file i can edit. |
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| 20:32.00 | sobersabre | you need the kernel-package, build-essentials, etc. |
| 20:32.04 | Tempus_Fugit | my next project is my desktop which is ......thermaltake armor case amd phenom 9500 2.2 ghz 250 gig SATA hd (x4) so 1 tb hd 4 gigs ram and ati radeon sapphire 512 mb graphics card. the 4 hard drives are raided 1 atm i want 500 gigs for windows xp 64 bit and 500 for debian amd 64 |
| 20:32.24 | gpm | sobersabre: sure sure, but which source should i get, and is there a config file for the linux/initrd.gz that was built for the installer? |
| 20:32.29 | Tempus_Fugit | thats my next project |
| 20:32.31 | jelly-home | gpm: it's a nontrivial task |
| 20:32.52 | Tempus_Fugit | and yes i want to learn programming which is why im mainly interested in linux to begin with |
| 20:32.56 | nightglider28 | Tempus_Fugit: Bloody hell what are you going to use that for? |
| 20:33.00 | gpm | jelly-home: first steps? it seems like it ought to be trivial, but i have no clue where to start. |
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| 20:33.11 | sobersabre | gpm kernel-source, man. |
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| 20:33.28 | intero | hi |
| 20:33.40 | gpm | sobersabre: from ubuntu? surely not...and how do i know that my new images will run the installer like the ones that don't have rt73usb do? |
| 20:33.42 | Tempus_Fugit | nightglider hopefully anything i can think of |
| 20:33.47 | intero | i am having some issues with X. in particular, when i type with my keyboard on plain console i have experiment a normal behavior, while if i run X i experience some kind of interference, it's as if the ctrl key was automagially always pushed, which make it hard to to almost everything... also, if i launch X by console, that's what i read on screen: http://paste.debian.net/28443/ . please notice that everything was working f |
| 20:34.03 | jelly-home | gpm: that was my way of saying "can't be done easily, best to install base first and use wired" |
| 20:34.08 | Setebos | Tempus_Fugit, to developp on linux you don't even need an old Pentium III with 40 go hd |
| 20:34.24 | gpm | jelly-home: aha. so it's best to get a netinst cd or something and go from there... |
| 20:34.25 | nightglider28 | Tempus_Fugit: That sounds like a HTPC system until I see the dual-boot bit. |
| 20:34.27 | gpm | ok |
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| 20:34.34 | enouf | intero: perhaps "/msg dpkg insert" is your issue? |
| 20:34.36 | gpm | stupid wireless card. |
| 20:34.43 | jelly-home | !rt73 |
| 20:34.44 | dpkg | The Ralink RT73 USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the enhanced legacy driver (rt73) and next-generation driver (rt73usb), both available from the <rt2x00> project. Firmware is required to be loaded before driver operation. See http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 for driver and firmware installation instructions. See also <ralink firmware>, <rt2x00>. |
| 20:35.10 | Setebos | Tempus_Fugit, with such hardware, i won't go dual boot, but will run xen or other hypervisor |
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| 20:35.14 | intero | enouf: let me check... |
| 20:35.25 | gpm | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 20:35.25 | jelly-home | gpm: I don't have the hardware and can't vouch for the quality of advice above. |
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| 20:35.53 | Tempus_Fugit | yeah i know i created a monster and now i need to learn how to use it lol |
| 20:36.05 | sobersabre | gpm, BTW, it doesn't matter what kernel you're booting with PXE. |
| 20:36.21 | enouf | intero: otherwise "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and ensure all the locales you use are enabled and installed .. and maybe /msg dpkg keymap (it's also possible you have a keyboard issue - try another one, or maybe you need an xorg.conf option) man showkey and man xev |
| 20:36.22 | gpm | jelly-home: eh, debian wiki is usually reliable, in my experience |
| 20:36.23 | Tempus_Fugit | so you would not advise having dual boot on a raid system |
| 20:36.24 | gpm | sobersabre: what's PXE? |
| 20:36.32 | sobersabre | what matters is what scripts run, and what architecture/os version is spilled onto the HD during that. |
| 20:36.40 | sobersabre | you were saying something about netboot... |
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| 20:36.43 | sobersabre | weren't you ? |
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| 20:36.53 | Tempus_Fugit | btw there is no lenny i386 in the new release |
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| 20:36.55 | gpm | haha, never mind. i don't think what i want done is done easily |
| 20:36.58 | Tempus_Fugit | but there is x86 |
| 20:37.02 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 20:37.13 | Tempus_Fugit | err intel x86 |
| 20:37.23 | sobersabre | do you have a copper link to do all the netinst over it, and then play with the wifi after it's ready ? |
| 20:37.25 | Tempus_Fugit | is that what i would need for the new lappy |
| 20:37.28 | dob1_ | hi, before updating to lenny i would like to know which deb packages i installed from not-official repository. how can i do this search? |
| 20:37.37 | intero | enouf: unfortunately it's not the insert thing |
| 20:37.42 | Setebos | Tempus_Fugit, well, you know on such hardware you can decide to install linux and run windows under kvm |
| 20:37.57 | Tempus_Fugit | huh? |
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| 20:38.07 | enouf | dob1_: ~$ grep-status -F Maintainer 'marillat@debian.org' -a -F Status -sPackage 'install ok installed' (or use aptitude to search for Origin) |
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| 20:38.22 | gpm | sobersabre: i don't know what a copper link is, but i do plan now to just boot a netinst CD to install base and then get the wireless working. |
| 20:38.26 | octoberdan | Currently I have reverse port forwarding set up so that I can log into Box B and then from there Log into Box C, from Box A. However, instead of keying in my password during the session, I want to use rsa keys and port forwarding such that if Box B is compromised, Box C is not at risk of also being compromised. How would I pull this off? |
| 20:38.27 | enouf | dob1_: hopefully, you only used dmm as non-official :-P |
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| 20:38.35 | Tempus_Fugit | enouf is there any chance i can get you to call me |
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| 20:38.44 | Tempus_Fugit | here in the states |
| 20:38.50 | octoberdan | Is my logic sound? |
| 20:38.52 | enouf | go away |
| 20:38.57 | sobersabre | gpm: copper is the wired ethernet. |
| 20:39.00 | dob1_ | enouf: i used some backports packages |
| 20:39.01 | Tempus_Fugit | who me |
| 20:39.01 | toxygen | hello, i would like to ask, have any problems with upgrade of machines with grsec been reported? |
| 20:39.18 | enouf | dob1_: well, use that as a search field ... |
| 20:39.25 | toxygen | one of my machines stopped responding after 2 hours after upgrade to 5.0 |
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| 20:39.30 | stuckey | Hello I just installed lenny and my onscreen fonts are tiny; does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 20:39.33 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: what do you mean 'call' you? |
| 20:39.39 | toxygen | just after upgrade, everything seemed fine |
| 20:39.41 | dob1_ | enouf: ok thanks |
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| 20:39.43 | Tempus_Fugit | on the phone |
| 20:40.02 | enouf | send me some pics 1st, then i'll answer :-P |
| 20:40.07 | enouf | <jk>! |
| 20:40.08 | Tempus_Fugit | lmao |
| 20:40.10 | gpm | sobersabre: cool. new nomenclature, thanks! |
| 20:40.18 | Tempus_Fugit | i am male if thats what ya wanna know |
| 20:40.23 | jelly-home | toxygen: I haven't upgraded mine yet, but, which kernel and grsec patch version do you have? |
| 20:40.25 | enouf | go away |
| 20:40.37 | Tempus_Fugit | not hitting on you enouf just trying to get some help |
| 20:40.45 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: please - also - take this offtopic elsewhere .. thanks |
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| 20:40.50 | sobersabre | gpm: as opposed to the optical fiber or wireless |
| 20:40.55 | gpm | sobersabre: gotcha |
| 20:41.00 | Tempus_Fugit | huh |
| 20:41.10 | Pandasaur | so |
| 20:41.10 | Tempus_Fugit | take what off topic |
| 20:41.15 | Pandasaur | windows is inherently more secure |
| 20:41.17 | Pandasaur | discuss? |
| 20:41.28 | jelly-home | !ops Pandasaur trolling |
| 20:41.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: Pandasaur trolling |
| 20:41.30 | enouf | stop cluttering the channel with useless babble! .. thanks |
| 20:41.34 | jelly-home | Pandasaur: there. |
| 20:41.40 | Tempus_Fugit | hahaha windhoes more secure than linux |
| 20:42.04 | enouf | wanders offf |
| 20:42.11 | jelly-home | Tempus_Fugit: please do not feed the trolls. |
| 20:42.17 | Tempus_Fugit | where do all viruses go |
| 20:42.19 | octoberdan | Tempus_Fugit: Ignore Pandasaur. Don't feed the troll |
| 20:42.26 | Tempus_Fugit | ok |
| 20:42.27 | amphi | enouf: come back 'ere! |
| 20:42.28 | mail | feeds Pandasaur |
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| 20:42.36 | Chronopolous | also feeds |
| 20:42.52 | oOarthurOo | thinks it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is. |
| 20:43.00 | nightglider28 | grabs his troll goggles. |
| 20:43.04 | Tempus_Fugit | ok so i gues i will have to figure this out on my own |
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| 20:43.28 | Pandasaur | om nom nom |
| 20:43.30 | sobersabre | Pandasaur: proof you're not a bot. |
| 20:43.49 | Pandasaur | what, that doesn't even make sense |
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| 20:44.09 | sobersabre | hm... |
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| 20:44.40 | Pandasaur | it's a question posed as a statement |
| 20:44.42 | sobersabre | puts on his trollproven cond0m... just in case. |
| 20:44.54 | penrod | greetings: how do I change an etch distribution to use shadow passwords and not md5 ? |
| 20:45.06 | amphi | sobersabre: he fails the turing test either way, so who cares? |
| 20:45.11 | intero | enouf: on locales reconfiguration: *** update-locale: Error: invalid locale settings: LANGUAGE=it_IT LANG=it_IT.UTF-8 LC_ALL=it_IT.UTF-8@euro |
| 20:45.12 | Pandasaur | I do? |
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| 20:45.23 | stew | Pandasaur: do you have anything on-topic? |
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| 20:45.34 | intero | enouf: do you have a /etc/environment file? |
| 20:45.36 | Pandasaur | hmm |
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| 20:45.39 | toxygen | jelly-home: the most recent one |
| 20:45.40 | stew | Pandasaur: if you are just here to troll, please just keep quiet |
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| 20:45.44 | toxygen | jelly-home: moment |
| 20:45.45 | enouf | intero: yes |
| 20:45.47 | cr3 | what is the proper way of spawning a browser window, regardless of the default browser installed? is there something like default-browser? |
| 20:46.06 | toxygen | jelly-home: 2.6.27.10 i recall blurry |
| 20:46.06 | sobersabre | stew: you have an "if" up there... |
| 20:46.06 | nsadmin | Pandasaur windows and its securiity could be discussed on #windows |
| 20:46.11 | maher | cr3: yes - www-browser |
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| 20:46.19 | enouf | intero: in most cases you wouldn't need to set LC_ALL= |
| 20:46.27 | Pandasaur | debian is inherent less secure than windows? |
| 20:46.29 | peppe | sensible-browser ? |
| 20:46.31 | maher | cr3: you can use update-alternatives to change the browser it points ot |
| 20:46.33 | enouf | intero: not to mention that @euro part seems very odd |
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| 20:46.50 | aohreaper | hey guys whens this game coming out anybody know? |
| 20:46.55 | mail | a game? |
| 20:46.57 | mail | on linux? |
| 20:47.02 | aohreaper | z day..? |
| 20:47.02 | cr3 | maher: aha! thanks for adding that second part, I noticed mine points to lynx... that's how pathetic I am :) |
| 20:47.13 | enouf | intero: also check for what's in /etc/default/locale if it exists |
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| 20:47.21 | Pandasaur | don't lie mail |
| 20:47.33 | Chronopolous | ya mail, not possible |
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| 20:47.52 | intero | enouf: let me clean that up :) default locale file has LANGUAGE=it_IT LC_ALL=it_IT.UTF-8@euro |
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| 20:47.59 | cygnus_ | hi i think i am running etch |
| 20:48.08 | cygnus_ | because lenny is released will my apt-get now use lenny |
| 20:48.09 | sobersabre | mail, get up, don't lie. |
| 20:48.13 | jelly-home | Pandasaur: peruse #debian-offtopic for any non-support questions. This channel is only for support issues. |
| 20:48.48 | sobersabre | Pandasaur: understand, there's been a new release, many support questions. |
| 20:48.49 | toxygen | jelly-home: i'm asking because i'm not sure if it was cause of grsec or not |
| 20:49.05 | scgtrp | what's a good lightweight desktop? preferably something that supports ssh in its file manager like gnome |
| 20:49.10 | toxygen | jelly-home: the thing is, it looks just as if it was forkbombed - it replies to ping, but nothing else |
| 20:49.21 | toxygen | jelly-home: but ulimits were set and everything |
| 20:49.30 | jelly-home | toxygen: you have no console access I gather? |
| 20:49.37 | sobersabre | scgtrp: why do you need it lightweight ? |
| 20:49.44 | nightglider28 | mail: Nexuiz, PokerTH, ManiaDrive, and some others. |
| 20:49.48 | scgtrp | sobersabre: using it on an ancient laptop |
| 20:49.48 | cr3 | maher: I was expecting www-browser to potentially point to firefox but even update-alternatives --list www-browser only lists w3m and lynx |
| 20:49.51 | toxygen | jelly-home: you are right unfortunately |
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| 20:50.04 | cr3 | maher: aha! x-www-browser! |
| 20:50.10 | enouf | amphi: i must go out for some adult beverage refreshment sustanance ;-) - will return later |
| 20:50.19 | cygnus_ | i currently have deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ main main contrib non-free |
| 20:50.19 | enouf | +smokes :-P |
| 20:50.23 | cygnus_ | can i change etch to stable ? |
| 20:50.26 | amphi | ACK |
| 20:50.33 | enouf | !scare amphi |
| 20:50.33 | dpkg | swiftly pops a paper sack behind amphi! HAH! made you jump! |
| 20:50.37 | td123 | so I am wondering how I would go about running a program on startup and reloading a module |
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| 20:50.51 | amphi | some chance ;) |
| 20:50.58 | cr3 | maher: or sensible-browser might be a good choice too! |
| 20:51.09 | amphi | the topror is upon me |
| 20:51.10 | maher | cr3: i'm not sure why there are so many... |
| 20:51.13 | jelly-home | toxygen: dunno. $employer is running 2.6.27.7-grsec with etch. I have a couple machines still on 2.6.24.7-grsec |
| 20:51.14 | amphi | *torpor |
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| 20:51.35 | maher | cygnus_: do you mean to lenny? |
| 20:52.01 | cygnus_ | maher: no i mean to stable |
| 20:52.01 | octoberdan | There are plenty of good games for Gnu/Linux! |
| 20:52.05 | octoberdan | Like... fortune! |
| 20:52.15 | nightglider28 | octoberdan: There are quite a few, actually. |
| 20:52.16 | cygnus_ | because i want it to always be upgraded to stable when whatever become stable |
| 20:52.17 | sobersabre | scgtrp: there are many window managers without a file manager. I mean that are not a part of "desktop environment". |
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| 20:52.22 | td123 | could I just make a shell script and put add that to my startup programs? |
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| 20:52.25 | Pandasaur | aww i'm sorry kids |
| 20:52.27 | Pandasaur | my wireless dropped |
| 20:52.32 | Pandasaur | guess that doesn't happen on debian |
| 20:52.33 | Pandasaur | wait |
| 20:52.39 | Pandasaur | does wireless actually work on debian |
| 20:52.41 | sobersabre | fluxbox is lightweight, windowmaker is ok, fvwm is nice.. |
| 20:52.45 | nsadmin | !enter |
| 20:52.45 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:52.50 | stew | Pandasaur: what version o fdebian are you running? |
| 20:52.52 | sepski | !goplay |
| 20:53.03 | intero | enouf: regerantion completed after modifying default locale. however the problem is still there.... |
| 20:53.05 | octoberdan | stew: He's trolling. Just ignore him |
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| 20:53.11 | octoberdan | or her... or it |
| 20:53.18 | octoberdan | they! |
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| 20:53.22 | soulchild | Hi all |
| 20:53.23 | xxiao | anyone tried to use vyatta's 'dpkg -l' to build a router from scratch? |
| 20:53.26 | cr3 | maher: provides flexibility, www-browser for command line, x-www-browser for graphical and sensible-browser for both |
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| 20:53.34 | nightglider28 | octoberdan: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfdownloads/ |
| 20:53.45 | soulchild | Si there a way to get memory stick duos on integrated ricoh card readers to work??? |
| 20:53.45 | intero | enouf: when i type in X, my Scroll lock led lights up and down after every key pushed |
| 20:53.48 | maher | cygnus_: if you change sources to stable you will automatically update your sources to the new stable whenver it changes - this is probably not desirable |
| 20:54.14 | octoberdan | nightglider28: Thank you for the link, but I don't play games. I am aware though of the large (ethical) selection |
| 20:54.17 | soulchild | Is there a way to get memory stick duo cards on an integrated ricoh card readers to work? SD Card work perfectly. |
| 20:54.26 | octoberdan | nightglider28: Should I ever start... |
| 20:54.29 | td123 | when I add a program to run during startup, do I have to add sudo or no |
| 20:54.36 | Uldics | Hello al and Im almost crying with a problem here. Made a fresh Lenny install on my eeepc few days ago and today wanted to make wireless work on it with network-manager. And then the hell began. As i understand, network-manager had some dependencies from Gnome (I use only KDE), that was also ok. After installing the network-manager with all its dependencies i got a bunch of strange errors (with Kpackage and also in console with apt-get). Made |
| 20:54.36 | Uldics | apt-get clean and also autoclean, autoremove. So i restarted thinking of getting it better. But now I cant even get a kde started. I get an error repeatedly and stop at console login. When i log in as root, i see only some 5 processes listed. When i kill kdm and start it again, it flashes screen few times like when you change resolution and then just stays in console and kdm is in pstree. My error when doing anything in apt-get then is--> |
| 20:54.36 | Uldics | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:55.23 | cygnus_ | ok thank you |
| 20:55.38 | nightglider28 | octoberdan: I advise against using that actual distro, however. |
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| 20:56.35 | nightglider28 | octoberdan: While I do believe it is one of the few distros that has a big enough niche to actually be a distro, it has a severe issue that is not advertised, which is sound does not work on most snd-hda-intel chips. |
| 20:56.51 | jelly-home | soulchild: hardware support is primarily a function of Linux kernel drivers. You should try a newer vanilla kernel. |
| 20:57.02 | octoberdan | nightglider28: What distro is this? |
| 20:57.29 | nightglider28 | octoberdan: linuX-gamers. |
| 20:57.51 | octoberdan | Ah, thought it was just a collection |
| 20:57.56 | nsadmin | nightglider28: hardware is supported by kernels |
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| 20:58.21 | sobersabre | nightglider28: and you can always play with oss v4 for intel hda... |
| 20:58.22 | nsadmin | and hda module can be supplied with the model of card you have |
| 20:58.50 | nightglider28 | nsadmin: It is. The problem is, a lot of manufacturers have snd-hda-intel chips, but they have to be loaded with different arguments. The linuX-gamers team uses the Arch kernel and did I don't know what to it, but it doesn't load the modules, correctly. |
| 20:59.23 | sobersabre | nightglider28: you probably should rtfm their way of giving modules parameters. |
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| 20:59.36 | octoberdan | I'mcurious about PCLinuxOS... |
| 20:59.41 | Setebos | nightglider28, modprobe.conf |
| 20:59.43 | sobersabre | Debian has a nice way of doing it via /etc/modprobe.conf or /etc/modprobe.d |
| 20:59.51 | octoberdan | Sorry, that's off topic, Iguess... |
| 20:59.53 | cygnus_ | does debian have a non-us part anymore? because i tried adding various ources to apt but they always fail |
| 21:00.05 | Wyzard | cygnus_: no, it was merged into main a few years ago |
| 21:00.08 | cygnus_ | good |
| 21:00.11 | cygnus_ | thank you |
| 21:00.11 | nsadmin | non-us is gone |
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| 21:00.18 | Teddybear_ | most of the cards supported by intel-hda works without any options |
| 21:00.22 | sobersabre | everything is us now ;-) |
| 21:00.37 | cygnus_ | ye |
| 21:00.37 | nsadmin | or non-us |
| 21:00.38 | cygnus_ | i really hated that |
| 21:00.42 | brick | what do i have to do to install an experimental package (mysql-server-5.1) ? |
| 21:00.43 | nightglider28 | sobersabre: They don't have much of a manual because 1)It's a fairly new distro. They only have 0.9.3 and 0.9.4. and 2)it's not installable. It's simple a livecd. |
| 21:00.44 | cygnus_ | is pine still have to compile from souce? |
| 21:01.01 | Teddybear_ | i think you mean the codec, that doesn't match your card |
| 21:01.03 | soulchild | jelly-home: is there a site with actual precompiled vanilla kernels for debian ? |
| 21:01.17 | nightglider28 | Setebos: If I ever feel like trying, again, I'll make note of that, thanks. :) |
| 21:01.18 | oOarthurOo | have the floodgates opened for sid and testing yet? |
| 21:01.19 | sobersabre | nightglider28: live cds suck a$$. |
| 21:01.33 | sobersabre | soulchild: yes, debian.org |
| 21:01.50 | jelly-home | soulchild: newer ones than in distro, not really |
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| 21:02.19 | nightglider28 | sobersabre: Agreed, but it's got zero productivity software, no repos, nothing. it is simply Arch with fluxbox and a tons of games installed. |
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| 21:02.57 | Setebos | nightglider28, apt-get install tux-racer |
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| 21:03.26 | Pandasaur | tux racer? |
| 21:03.29 | Pandasaur | is that any fun? |
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| 21:03.41 | sobersabre | Pandasaur: some compare it to sex. |
| 21:03.49 | octoberdan | haha! |
| 21:03.56 | nightglider28 | Setebos: Eh, I've played that, before. I'm not too interested in it. |
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| 21:04.09 | nightglider28 | Setebos: I prefer Nexuiz, but it doesn't have any servers up. |
| 21:04.10 | ewet | hi again :-) - now shouldn't this look a lot different?: apt-cache policy http://sprunge.us/ZVcV and /etc/apt/preferences http://sprunge.us/JTST |
| 21:04.11 | octoberdan | Pandasaur: There's doom and quake... |
| 21:04.35 | nightglider28 | Setebos: I also enjoy PokerTH. That is excellent. |
| 21:04.42 | Setebos | well openarena doesn't have mush servers up either |
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| 21:05.08 | Pandasaur | eh octoberdan? |
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| 21:05.40 | stuckey | does anyone know how to fix on screen fonts so that they're not too small to be read? |
| 21:05.57 | sobersabre | stuckey: in console or in X ? |
| 21:06.06 | Teddybear_ | nexuiz, warsow, openarena, alienarena, sauerbraten... and manny more |
| 21:06.06 | stuckey | sobersabre: in X |
| 21:06.13 | sobersabre | in GNOME or KDE ? |
| 21:06.13 | ewet | I think of something like 900 for ftp.de.debian.org and 901 for security.debian.org and what is that "1" for lenny/volatile-sloppy/* |
| 21:06.15 | Wyzard | here's an interesting quirk... fresh install of lenny, installed xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 and rebooted so I'm running under the hypervisor... how my text-mode cursor is displayed four places to the right of where it actually "is" |
| 21:06.24 | stuckey | sobersabre: I just installed stable, and the on screen fonts, espeically in epiphany, are extremely small. |
| 21:06.34 | nightglider28 | Teddybear_: bzTanks. |
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| 21:06.42 | ewet | I fail to see different values for volatile and volatile-sloppy anyways |
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| 21:06.53 | Teddybear_ | pingus *g* |
| 21:06.57 | nightglider28 | Teddybear_: I tried sauerbraten. Could not for the life of my figure out the purpose. |
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| 21:07.18 | sobersabre | stuckey: I think you need hm |
| 21:07.32 | stuckey | sobersabre: what's HM? |
| 21:07.39 | sobersabre | go to System->Preferences->Appearance->Fonts. |
| 21:07.42 | octoberdan | planeshift looks kind of awesome... |
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| 21:08.15 | td123 | hmmm, any ideas on why this isn't working, I installed firmware-iwlwifi the firmware for intel 3945 wifi card, did modprobe iwl3945 and it doesn't work, no light when turned on and it doesn't show up in the network manager applet |
| 21:08.17 | Teddybear_ | and never ever forget frozen-bubbles |
| 21:08.20 | stuckey | sobersabre: This isn't controled by some sort of configuration file? |
| 21:08.27 | sobersabre | if you can see on the top panel the words "Applications, Places, System" |
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| 21:09.00 | nightglider28 | Teddybear_: gl117 isn't too bad. |
| 21:09.09 | nightglider28 | Could use some work, though. |
| 21:09.09 | sobersabre | stuckey: some things are controlled by file, some by gconf entry (something like a registry in windows, but it's a bit different) |
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| 21:09.34 | Teddybear_ | stuckey: you can search it in gconf, when you want to edit xml files |
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| 21:10.30 | stuckey | Teddybear_: so how to I get the fonts to a readable size? |
| 21:10.47 | octoserver | is Zimbra any good ? |
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| 21:11.14 | cygnus | hi i upgraded my sources to lenny but i keep getting this |
| 21:11.16 | octoserver | or better to just install crap yourself ? |
| 21:11.23 | cygnus | when i type apt-get update |
| 21:11.25 | cygnus | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 21:11.25 | cygnus | 4D270D06F42584E6 |
| 21:11.25 | cygnus | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 21:11.38 | cygnus | it only 3 lines |
| 21:11.46 | amphi | stuckey: you could try changing the dpi setting in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc perhaps |
| 21:11.51 | SeJo | what is the difference between sid and lenny? |
| 21:12.08 | Teddybear_ | uhhh hot... gimp 2.6 is in sid ... year |
| 21:12.11 | nightglider28 | SeJo: One's stable, the other's unstable? |
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| 21:12.24 | amphi | SeJo: lenny is the stable release, sid is the unstable branch |
| 21:12.41 | Pandasaur | three lines in entirely unacceptable cygnus. |
| 21:12.48 | stuckey | amphi: how do I do that? I'm looking at the file but there's just 3 lines in it... I don't see anything about dpi |
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| 21:12.59 | cygnus | i ran apt-key update |
| 21:13.02 | cygnus | but that leaves all the keys |
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| 21:13.36 | Teddybear_ | cygnus: try "apt-get install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring" and then apt-get update |
| 21:13.56 | cygnus | ok thank you |
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| 21:14.32 | sobersabre | guys, is there a special chan for debian-ppc ? |
| 21:14.41 | stew | sobersabre: #debianppc |
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| 21:14.46 | cygnus | so after i done that and update |
| 21:14.49 | cygnus | is the recommneded thing |
| 21:14.50 | sobersabre | stew: thanks. |
| 21:14.51 | Teddybear_ | stuckey: i say "you can search in gconf" *g* i don't know the place in the gconf folders |
| 21:14.52 | cygnus | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:15.01 | cygnus | or is there some cleaner way that remoes old things |
| 21:15.05 | stoned | amphi, lenny is table? |
| 21:15.07 | arezey | cygnus, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 21:15.07 | stoned | stable? |
| 21:15.09 | arezey | stoned, yeh |
| 21:15.14 | stoned | topic |
| 21:15.15 | stew | cygnus: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 21:15.18 | cygnus | thank you |
| 21:15.18 | amphi | stoned: verily |
| 21:15.18 | stoned | sweet! |
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| 21:15.32 | stoned | I was gone for almost a week man |
| 21:15.47 | xfel | Hi. Is there some "debian equivalent" of AuthPF? |
| 21:15.48 | octoberdan | I want to forward traffic received on port foo of BoxA to port bar of BoxB... |
| 21:15.49 | SeJo | how long does it take for a package in experimental to reach lenny? |
| 21:15.57 | stoned | SeJo, years |
| 21:15.58 | arezey | sejo, forever |
| 21:16.08 | arezey | sejo, squeeze is another thing, now |
| 21:16.11 | amphi | stuckey: mine says 'exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 75 -nolisten tcp' |
| 21:16.12 | stuckey | Teddybear_: you mean gconf-editor? |
| 21:16.12 | newsense | im waiting on testing's new packages to roll in myself :) |
| 21:16.13 | jelly-home | stoned: be assured that nothing of importance happened. Unless you have "stable" in sources.list. |
| 21:16.15 | stew | SeJo: they don't migrate. they have to be re-uploaded by the matiainer |
| 21:16.17 | SeJo | can i install a package from experimental on lenny? |
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| 21:16.31 | maher | octoberdan: ssh can do this |
| 21:16.32 | stoned | jelly-home, I haven't noticed anything, and I use names always |
| 21:16.34 | stew | SeJo: we'd recommend backporting it: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:16.34 | stuckey | amphi: and did you have to edit that? |
| 21:16.39 | cygnus | what is the diff between safe-upgrade and full-upgrade? |
| 21:16.46 | stoned | cygnus, man aptitude |
| 21:16.52 | stoned | cygnus, ist spelled out there |
| 21:16.55 | Teddybear_ | stuckey: you can use the editor, or you search the folders of gconf and edit the xml files |
| 21:16.59 | amphi | stuckey: yes, it was 100 IIRC, and fonts were too big, on my small panel ;) |
| 21:17.05 | stew | SeJo: becuase of the long freeze, libraries on unstable/experimental and lenny have become quite divergent |
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| 21:17.16 | amphi | stuckey: or 96, i forget |
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| 21:17.18 | cygnus | my aptitude doesnt have that since i haven't upgraded from etch yet |
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| 21:17.31 | stuckey | amphi: OH I see what this is now... |
| 21:17.44 | maher | cygnus: upgrade apt first then it will have it |
| 21:17.51 | stew | cygnus: safe-upgrade won't install new packages or remove packages. only upgrade whichever can be upgraded without changing the set of installed packages. this option used to be called "upgrade" |
| 21:18.01 | stuckey | amphi: there's a formula for determing this. |
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| 21:18.08 | amphi | stuckey: but I don't run a DE; if you do, that may override that setting |
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| 21:18.20 | cygnus | i see |
| 21:18.21 | cygnus | thanks |
| 21:18.22 | stuckey | amphi: you don't run a deesktop enviroment? |
| 21:18.24 | arezey | amphi, what are you on then? |
| 21:18.27 | Teddybear_ | but to change the dpi is not the solution.... better you try to put your geometry of the monitor to xorg.conf |
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| 21:18.38 | sk4 | my lenny dont't want open sites that has no pings. (May be it sounded ugly) Anybody know why? |
| 21:18.44 | magdalene | skitters across the back of the #debian_couch and drops into the lush fronds of the #debian_fern |
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| 21:18.57 | amphi | stuckey: well, yeah, width of the screen in pixels/width of the screen in inches ;) (assuming square pixels) |
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| 21:19.03 | Wild | hiyas =) |
| 21:19.06 | octoberdan | maher: That's what I'm messing with |
| 21:19.12 | amphi | stuckey: openbox at the moment |
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| 21:19.19 | arezey | amphi, aha. |
| 21:19.23 | stuckey | amphi: what is that and why? |
| 21:19.30 | stuckey | Teddybear_: shouldn't x -configure do that automatically? |
| 21:19.33 | arezey | stuckey, it's a window manager. |
| 21:19.50 | stuckey | arezey: what's the difference between using that an dusing gnome? |
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| 21:19.51 | arezey | quite lite one, so i've heard |
| 21:19.52 | mischief6 | i have a usb to ide/sata bridge with an ide dvd drive connected to it at sda, how can i mount it? |
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| 21:20.00 | octoberdan | maher: I'm tightening the security of a reverse tunnel I have going. I want to protect against the case of the middleman being compromised |
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| 21:20.52 | Teddybear_ | nooo.. when xorg or perhaps the driver can't get the right data from the monitor, than you have to do this manually |
| 21:20.55 | octoberdan | maher: So I'm disabling passwords and instead setting up port forwarding to the tunnel. The client will connect to the forward using rsa keys for the ultimate target host |
| 21:21.00 | arezey | stuckey, window manager == thing that manages windows, desktop environment == thing with a full desktop, panels, apps and so on... a desktop environment contains a window manager |
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| 21:21.49 | sobersabre | bye guys, good luck with lenny. |
| 21:22.07 | stuckey | Teddybear_: I'm using an nvidia 9800 gt card... so I don't know if it's got a driver or not that's loaded... |
| 21:22.24 | arezey | stuckey, you may use window manager and not a desktop environment for example because of limited hardware, or just simply wanting to use liter stuff :) |
| 21:22.43 | stuckey | arezey: *lighter? |
| 21:22.44 | rubikcube | hmm, how do I find out which driver was selected by the kernel for a network device? |
| 21:22.58 | arezey | stuckey, yeah, well, lite -> liter :) |
| 21:23.20 | arezey | anyhow i'm off to sleep -> |
| 21:23.23 | stuckey | arezey: haha no, you mean light |
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| 21:23.31 | arezey | stuckey, whatever |
| 21:23.44 | rubikcube | it used to work automatically for 2.6.18, but fails after some time for 2.6.26 :( |
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| 21:24.21 | td123 | how do you remove the computer, home, and trash from gnome's desktop ? |
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| 21:24.44 | Teddybear_ | Section "Monitor" ->DisplaySize 336 252 # 96 DPI @ 1280x960 |
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| 21:25.25 | aev | how can i prohibit a specific user from using a specific command? |
| 21:25.38 | Teddybear_ | you have to figure out the real size of your monitor and put it in config like this |
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| 21:25.50 | stuckey | Teddybear_: So using this card I'll have to download the driver from nvidia and install it... using their run file to get my screen to look correctly? |
| 21:26.46 | Teddybear_ | stuckey: no.. you don't have to install the proprietary driver, look at the lines above |
| 21:26.53 | Steven_M | hi all, does Debian have a package for the shell progress bar tool called bar? Fedora has it, but I can't seem to find one for Debian |
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| 21:27.16 | stuckey | Teddybear_: oh okay... sorry. But essentially I can't use my card if I don't install the propritary driver, right? |
| 21:27.26 | patrikf | Steven_M: there's "pv" that you can pipe stuff through and it will show a progress bar |
| 21:28.01 | ewet | is it okay to comment in /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 21:28.11 | Teddybear_ | stuckey: i don't know ... but i think that the xorg driver "nv" can work with your card |
| 21:28.13 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a way to see what files Linux has in it's cache? |
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| 21:28.31 | stuckey | Teddybear_: so can I just run x -configure... shouldn't that pick up the card? |
| 21:29.00 | Teddybear_ | stuckey: but when you want to play fast games.. i think its better to use the driver from Nvidia |
| 21:29.40 | stuckey | Teddybear_: okay thanks |
| 21:29.40 | Steven_M | patrikf: thanks :) I wonder why bar itself has not been ported. |
| 21:29.57 | Teddybear_ | stuckey: when the package "xserver-xorg-video-nv" is installed |
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| 21:30.52 | Teddybear_ | than should xorg use this driver... "X -configure" is obsolet |
| 21:31.09 | stuckey | Teddybear_: oh I had no idea... |
| 21:31.18 | stew | its not obsolete |
| 21:31.31 | simonrvn | it is not. stop spewing fud |
| 21:31.37 | stuckey | So that's the proper thing to do, to set up a machine that has an Nvidia graphics card? |
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| 21:32.18 | stoned | simonrvn, fud? |
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| 21:32.26 | Teddybear_ | but you dont need it anymore |
| 21:32.29 | stoned | simonrvn, fear uncertainty and doubt? |
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| 21:33.22 | cusco | hi |
| 21:33.34 | stew | nobody ever needed it, you could always write a config file by hand, its still useful for generating one for you |
| 21:33.35 | stoned | GhostlyDeath, you mean you want to see whats in the actual memory cache? |
| 21:33.46 | simonrvn | yes |
| 21:33.57 | GhostlyDeath | stoned: well, whatever files are in cache, just a list, not the data |
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| 21:34.21 | cusco | I installed windows on a certain partition I left blank on my harddrive and bybye grub... now Im running a live linux but when using grub-install it ays it cannot read the file stage1 |
| 21:34.24 | stuckey | stew: is this run when you first install a system? |
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| 21:34.48 | cusco | root@bt:~# grub-install /dev/sda --root-directory=/mnt/sda1/boot/ |
| 21:34.48 | cusco | The file /mnt/sda1/boot//boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 21:35.00 | ewet | Pin: release o=Sun Microsystems, Inc.,l=Sun Microsystems, Inc. -- what should I do? damn Sun! |
| 21:35.03 | stoned | cusco, just use grub for NT |
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| 21:35.18 | ewet | the "," is a delimiter. does escaping help? |
| 21:35.27 | cusco | should I? |
| 21:35.30 | stoned | cusco, cusco or are you trying to get the linux parittions grub back? |
| 21:35.55 | cusco | partitions are fine |
| 21:35.59 | jahor | hi. i could not stop thinking that pinning based on source-package names could be very useful ... anyone has oposite meening ? |
| 21:36.03 | cusco | I canna ccess them from the live cd |
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| 21:36.22 | uk_ | http://paste.debian.net/28446/ |
| 21:36.41 | Teddybear_ | try: grub-install /dev/sda --root-directory=/mnt/sda1/ |
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| 21:36.47 | stoned | cusco, because what I did was that I setup grub for NT to load xp as well as my linux partitions OS, and both were chainloaded, and in the linux partitions grub menu, it did the same, that way even if i make a mistake selecting the wrong os, I don't have to reboot, I can go between both grubs... but thats kinda irrelevant |
| 21:37.10 | cusco | Teddybear_: yea sorry that was dumb of me dooh |
| 21:37.24 | Teddybear_ | because the message:" ....../boot//boot/....." |
| 21:37.28 | Teddybear_ | ??? |
| 21:37.28 | cusco | Teddybear_: and it worked! thanks for noticing |
| 21:37.40 | cusco | Im just too tired I guess |
| 21:37.45 | cusco | :)) |
| 21:37.56 | stoned | hah, I didn't even see he pasted two lines after his initial query |
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| 21:38.21 | ktwilight__ | yay~ :) |
| 21:38.25 | ktwilight__ | congrats to lenny~ |
| 21:38.39 | stoned | no congrats to all the developers and testers and bug fixers |
| 21:38.50 | stoned | and utmost gratitude |
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| 21:39.02 | stoned | yay for the DDs and Maintainers |
| 21:39.03 | cusco | is lenny out |
| 21:39.06 | spook_ | yes indeed, i'm looking forward to upgrading |
| 21:39.07 | stoned | cusco, /topic |
| 21:39.08 | cusco | ouch I did not read the topic |
| 21:39.09 | ktwilight__ | :) |
| 21:39.12 | stoned | cusco, heh |
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| 21:39.21 | cusco | justin time |
| 21:39.35 | cusco | was that today? |
| 21:39.38 | stoned | I had this dude in my 11th grade high school class, his name was Justin Casey |
| 21:39.41 | ktwilight__ | surprised surprised, no changes for my lenny (when it was testing). |
| 21:39.45 | cusco | or how many days ago? |
| 21:39.52 | stoned | I dunno i found out today |
| 21:39.54 | ktwilight__ | cusco, yesterday |
| 21:39.57 | ktwilight__ | though i just found out today. |
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| 21:39.58 | cusco | uses always testing |
| 21:40.00 | cusco | hooray |
| 21:40.02 | stoned | im sure debian.org has the news + date |
| 21:40.06 | ktwilight__ | debian's page says yesterday. |
| 21:40.13 | cusco | cool |
| 21:40.20 | stoned | omg! |
| 21:40.26 | stoned | debian.org has an image on it! |
| 21:40.29 | kj4 | heloo all |
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| 21:40.46 | Steven_M | bye *, have a good day :) |
| 21:40.47 | stoned | holy balls that hasn't happened in ever since I Can remember! it was always just imagelss really |
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| 21:41.37 | stoned | The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 5.0 (codenamed "Lenny") after 22 months of constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports a total of twelve processor architectures and includes the KDE, GNOME, Xfce, and LXDE desktop environments. It also features compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and software developed for version 3.2 of the LSB. <-- that is by far the most ... |
| 21:41.43 | stoned | ... impressive thing ever |
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| 21:41.52 | stoned | 12 archs and 50gb worth packages I think |
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| 21:42.16 | stoned | jeeez |
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| 21:42.25 | WildyLion | oh wow |
| 21:42.31 | WildyLion | it really has an image =) |
| 21:42.35 | stoned | yeh! |
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| 21:42.41 | stoned | it looks wicked cool |
| 21:42.41 | stuckey | Could anyone tell me if 3D Acceleration is needed by anything besides games? |
| 21:42.47 | WildyLion | they need to rethink their design, and the codenames too |
| 21:42.48 | stoned | stuckey, yes, compiz confusion |
| 21:43.00 | stuckey | stoned: okay anything else? playing dvd's? |
| 21:43.03 | stoned | stuckey, some 3d apps that do modeling rendering and animation |
| 21:43.05 | WildyLion | would you use a distro named [ganja] squeeze on a production server? xD |
| 21:43.15 | xxiao | Welcome, Lenny, to the world full of Toys |
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| 21:43.40 | stoned | stuckey, why would you not want it? I assume you dont' want 3d? |
| 21:43.45 | cusco | it will be time to drooll on squeeze soon |
| 21:43.49 | stuckey | stoned: I don't want to use a propritary driver. |
| 21:43.51 | stoned | stuckey, or are you having trouble making 3d work on yoru system? |
| 21:43.53 | dan_ | can someone help me ? i think i screwed up my deb cache: http://pastebin.on.nimp.org/M8LF7Mt6 |
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| 21:44.06 | stoned | stuckey, you have nvidia so you're out of luck, if you have ati, you're good to go |
| 21:44.10 | tomaw | don't click that, it'll kill your browser |
| 21:44.21 | stuckey | stoned: I'm trying to figure out the proper way of installing of setting up a system I just isntalled with an nvidia card. |
| 21:44.23 | stoned | ati + free drivers == 3d |
| 21:44.33 | cusco | stuckey: open source drivers also provide a direct rendering interface |
| 21:44.35 | stuckey | stoned: there's free drivers for nvidia on debian. |
| 21:44.38 | stoned | stuckey, for nvidia to give you 3d accel yo have to use non-free nvidia binary drivers |
| 21:44.49 | stoned | stuckey, nv doesn't support dri, only nvidia does |
| 21:44.56 | cusco | doesn't it |
| 21:44.57 | cusco | ouch |
| 21:44.59 | stuckey | cusco: Could you be more detailed? What's adirect redering interface? |
| 21:45.10 | stoned | stuckey, wikipedia |
| 21:45.28 | nightglider28 | tomaw: <3 Iceweasel+noscript. :D |
| 21:45.33 | tomaw | :) |
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| 21:45.38 | _GNR_ | stuckey you don't need 3d if don't use 3d programs or games |
| 21:45.40 | stoned | tomaw, what? |
| 21:45.42 | nightglider28 | tomaw: That and the fact that i don't have any JRE. Period. |
| 21:45.50 | stuckey | _GNR_: Okay good... I can use the free driver. |
| 21:46.07 | stoned | oh noscript |
| 21:46.15 | Teddybear_ | stoned: only on older cards :-( |
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| 21:46.30 | stoned | Teddybear_, what are you talking about? in what context? |
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| 21:47.00 | Teddybear_ | stoned: the thing about ati + free driver = 3d |
| 21:47.09 | stoned | true |
| 21:47.20 | stoned | upto r6x |
| 21:47.29 | stuckey | stoned: yeah but it isn't as good as the nvidia driver. |
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| 21:47.35 | stoned | 7x and 8x series are not supported 3d yet by radeonhd |
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| 21:47.45 | mischief6 | i have a usb to ide/sata bridge with an ide dvd drive connected to it at sda, how can i mount it? |
| 21:47.59 | stuckey | _GNR_: how do I set up this free driver? |
| 21:48.10 | stoned | mischief6, does your system pick it up? when you plugin the usb, what does dmesg say? |
| 21:48.12 | ewet | how am I supposed to pin a repo that has a "," (a delimiter in /etc/apt/preferences) in it descriptions (all of them). take a look http://pastebin.com/m17711d39 |
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| 21:48.17 | pleed | Hi there |
| 21:48.18 | bdelin88 | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable hey which 1 do i download lol |
| 21:48.18 | scally | anyone here knw of a way to test a laptop fan to see if it works or not? I have an HP that seems to me getting to hot and no fan is kicking on. |
| 21:48.19 | _GNR_ | stuckey what is your graphics card? |
| 21:48.24 | stoned | mischief6, it should have a device node, you can mount the device node like a cd |
| 21:48.27 | stuckey | _GNR_: 9800 GT |
| 21:48.32 | enouf | intero: i really have no idea then what the issue is - hrm... checked with /msg dpkg bts ? |
| 21:48.41 | stoned | mischief6, if you put in a dvd, you dont' hae to mount it,s ame fo audio cd, but data cd/dvd you can mount regularly |
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| 21:48.42 | bdelin88 | i don't mind the dvd one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-dvd/ but is debain really like 6 dvd's worth? |
| 21:48.48 | stoned | mischief6, find out your device node first |
| 21:48.59 | enouf | ewet: /msg dpkg pinning doesn't help? |
| 21:49.14 | valdyn | bdelin88: you dont need those |
| 21:49.19 | pleed | I m trying to use "set smtp=mail.example.org" in my debian system, but mail seems to try connecting to the local exim. Does anyone know how to bring it using the smtp i want? |
| 21:49.23 | bdelin88 | valdyn: lol which one then |
| 21:49.26 | mischief6 | stoned, device node? :x |
| 21:49.37 | stoned | mischief6, uhm... oh boy |
| 21:49.38 | pleed | the configuration line is from /etc/mail.rc |
| 21:49.42 | enouf | mischief6: what medium is in it? loop mount cd/dvds |
| 21:49.42 | valdyn | bdelin88: just the netinstall or the first cd |
| 21:49.48 | mischief6 | stoned, haha, :x |
| 21:49.50 | stoned | mischief6, ok like /dev/sdX |
| 21:49.51 | enouf | mischief6: if it's an ISO cd |
| 21:49.59 | bdelin88 | valdyn: oh yea i see it now, sry about that, and thanks |
| 21:50.01 | stoned | mischief6, like that, thats a device node |
| 21:50.13 | bdelin88 | valdyn: does it matter wether i get the first cd or dvd? |
| 21:50.23 | ewet | enouf: well man apt_preferences was the first thing I did |
| 21:50.24 | valdyn | bdelin88: not really |
| 21:50.25 | bdelin88 | valdyn: is it a matter of compression or features i guess |
| 21:50.27 | enouf | mischief6: lsmod | egrep 'isofs|udf' |
| 21:50.30 | stoned | mischief6, X being a number |
| 21:50.31 | enouf | modprobe those |
| 21:50.35 | mischief6 | stoned, dmesg is saying something about sr0 and sg0 |
| 21:50.43 | stoned | enouf, uhm.. do you know what he is doing? |
| 21:50.47 | valdyn | mischief6: sr0 is a cd drive |
| 21:50.51 | stoned | enouf, why does he need that? |
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| 21:50.52 | _GNR_ | stuckey: I don't know if this driver is supported out of the box with debian yet, what is the driver that automatically loads to you? |
| 21:50.57 | enouf | mischief6: that's fine - and there are symlinks- modprobe sr_mod |
| 21:51.11 | enouf | intero: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sr0 |
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| 21:51.30 | bdelin88 | valdyn: well i was also looking at the usb-hdd install, do i download just the first ".img" file? ftp://mirror.rit.edu/debian-cd/5.0.0-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 21:51.31 | stuckey | _GNR_: there isn't one... Do you want to see my xorg? |
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| 21:51.41 | enouf | stoned: no - and i really don't care - i'm just spewing info - got a problem? |
| 21:51.44 | enouf | :-p |
| 21:52.18 | _GNR_ | sure |
| 21:52.24 | enouf | mentor: the B: entry is the true block device name - all the S: entries are symlinks |
| 21:52.29 | enouf | gah |
| 21:52.31 | enouf | mischief6: |
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| 21:52.50 | mischief6 | yes? |
| 21:52.52 | stuckey | _GNR_: http://paste.debian.net/28450/ |
| 21:53.01 | stuckey | _GNR_: that's the way it is after installation |
| 21:53.04 | enouf | ahh .. i see it's !Sunday |
| 21:53.15 | _GNR_ | can you post the xorg log? |
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| 21:53.42 | enouf | udevadm if udevinfo doesn't exist |
| 21:53.49 | enouf | i guess |
| 21:53.50 | mischief6 | aha, enouf mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom seems to work :) |
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| 21:54.21 | enouf | now you know |
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| 21:54.27 | valdyn | mischief6: and you could just have used /dev/cdrom |
| 21:54.40 | mischief6 | valdyn, i have two cdroms. |
| 21:54.43 | enouf | valdyn: perhaps .. depends |
| 21:54.51 | mischief6 | one is internal, this one is on a USB to IDE/SATA bridge |
| 21:54.55 | valdyn | mischief6: /dev/cdrom[01] |
| 21:55.15 | mischief6 | hrm, it seems you're right. |
| 21:55.17 | mischief6 | :X |
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| 21:55.19 | enouf | mischief6: notice what's in /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-cd.rules |
| 21:55.21 | enouf | or whatever |
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| 21:55.41 | _GNR_ | stuckey, can you post the log? /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:56.01 | enouf | that's what udevinfo will kick out and use - although, really it parses /sys (sysfs) and walks the tree |
| 21:56.54 | stuckey | _GNR_: http://paste.debian.net/28452/ |
| 21:57.45 | enouf | heh $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-cd.rules works :-P |
| 21:58.01 | Teddybear_ | stuckey: try to install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
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| 21:59.10 | _GNR_ | stuckey: yes try to install nv and nouveau and test both of them |
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| 22:01.21 | enouf | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 22:01.22 | judd | enouf: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau -- experimental: 1:0.0.10~git+20090205+4dfd0b1-1 |
| 22:01.27 | enouf | heh |
| 22:01.30 | octoserver | why when upgrading does my java6 get uninstalled and java5 put back in ?" |
| 22:01.32 | enouf | yeah - try it out ;-) |
| 22:02.00 | enouf | octoserver: no idea - try update-java-alternatives |
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| 22:04.50 | intero | enouf: sorry to bother but... got any other idea? |
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| 22:07.01 | tsrk | does debian use sudo? |
| 22:07.02 | Teddybear_ | alternatives doesn't matter... |
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| 22:07.18 | bzed | tsrk: you can use it if you want to |
| 22:07.24 | tsrk | bzed, is it used by default? |
| 22:07.29 | bzed | tsrk: but by default you have a root account |
| 22:07.34 | tsrk | ok |
| 22:07.34 | s5a | what is the command to find out the ip of a site using terminal again? |
| 22:07.41 | tsrk | s5a, ping |
| 22:07.46 | s5a | tsrk, k, thx |
| 22:07.49 | WildyLion | s5a, or nslookup |
| 22:07.50 | bzed | s5a: host |
| 22:07.55 | WildyLion | s5a, or dig |
| 22:07.58 | Joint | hey how do you enable php on apache for debian |
| 22:08.00 | tsrk | n5a, their solutions are probably better |
| 22:08.02 | soopy | nkuttler, I cannot build postgresql 7 |
| 22:08.02 | Teddybear_ | tsrk: in debian you can use the sudo like ubuntu, but it isn't default |
| 22:08.05 | tsrk | mine also pi ngs them |
| 22:08.07 | bzed | WildyLion: nslookup is deprecated (wlathough I still like it) |
| 22:08.11 | tsrk | Teddybear_, ok, thanks, that's what i was wondering |
| 22:08.13 | dondelelcaro | Joint: install libapache2-mod-php4 or whatever you want. |
| 22:08.28 | tsrk | is there any good reason to use sudo instead of a root account? |
| 22:08.30 | bzed | dondelelcaro: s/4/5/ :) |
| 22:08.50 | WildyLion | tsrk, it's easier to delegate privileges with sudo |
| 22:08.51 | soopy | nkuttler, I cannot build postgresql 7.4 statically or dynamically.. Will a static package from etch do the trick to have 7.4 and 8.3 parallel in etch ? |
| 22:08.53 | Joint | dondelelcaro, got it. now what. i still cannot see php scripts on my server- |
| 22:09.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell Joint -about php wants me to download still |
| 22:09.26 | tsrk | WildyLion, but if i'm the only one with root access? |
| 22:09.54 | dondelelcaro | tsrk: even then it's still useful, because you shouldn't be root unless you absolutely need to be |
| 22:09.59 | cygnus | is there a way to remove all the X related packages easily that i have installed |
| 22:10.02 | dondelelcaro | tsrk: sudo makes it easier for you to become root for single tasks |
| 22:10.08 | Teddybear_ | tsrk: sudo is nice for simple things.. that the user can do.. but everything with sudo.. not nice |
| 22:10.08 | tsrk | dondelelcaro, ok |
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| 22:10.19 | WildyLion | tsrk, then you may use root account, but it's still convenient to use sudo because you could invoke it one command at a time |
| 22:10.34 | WildyLion | Teddybear_, then you have 'sudo su -' ;) |
| 22:10.45 | tsrk | WildyLion, well, if i used sudo shouldn't i disable the root account? |
| 22:10.50 | tsrk | or should i keep it anyway |
| 22:10.55 | scally | Anyone here know how to test a laptop fan to see if it works? |
| 22:10.59 | WildyLion | tsrk, it's a matter of preference |
| 22:11.11 | tsrk | WildyLion, ok |
| 22:11.26 | tsrk | also, is it true that it's a security risk to use sudo without a password prompt? |
| 22:11.30 | WildyLion | we keep it accessible only by a key, for maint scripts |
| 22:11.31 | tsrk | (to disable the password prompt) |
| 22:11.41 | s5a | tsrk, u can use sudo if u want it to unroot u after doing what it does and su instead of sudo -i so keep su |
| 22:11.42 | WildyLion | tsrk, it's a security risk |
| 22:11.51 | tsrk | WildyLion, how so? |
| 22:11.58 | WildyLion | had a _ton_ of cases where another user typed something in a forgotten console |
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| 22:12.06 | enouf | intero: sorry - not offhand, no |
| 22:12.10 | tsrk | but what about that vs logging in as root? |
| 22:12.15 | tsrk | specifically, rsync |
| 22:12.29 | tsrk | (i'm switching to debian from ubuntu, and on ubuntu i had to enable the root account just for rsync) |
| 22:12.33 | Rydekull | tsrk: It is a 'risk' as in the fact that it can be used asmuch as if you'd forget your account somewhere, or if someone cacks your password, or exploits your account or whatever, then it gets easy to gain root access |
| 22:12.35 | tsrk | cause i wanted it to have root privs on a remote machine |
| 22:12.46 | Teddybear_ | but when you have the default, with root... you can setup sudo, with only some tools that the user could use.... its more secure i think |
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| 22:13.11 | tsrk | Teddybear_, so it's like partial root privs? |
| 22:13.12 | WildyLion | tsrk, you can always have a root account accepting only public keys from remote sites |
| 22:13.12 | enouf | intero: use xev (in X) and showkey (in console) to see your keypress mappings - /msg dpkg keymap (as i mentioned much earlier) |
| 22:13.15 | lxsameer | hi , ihave download the debian repository with deb mirror. both the stabel and testing package . does lenny moved to stable ? |
| 22:13.30 | enouf | intero: possible you have some Dead Keys set somewhere |
| 22:13.30 | Rydekull | WildyLion: ... please, no |
| 22:13.32 | Teddybear_ | tsrk: yes.. |
| 22:13.40 | lxsameer | i mean does lenny packages moved from testing to stable? |
| 22:13.47 | enouf | intero: try other keyboards - and various types - usb and ps/2 |
| 22:13.50 | Stanlin | Help!! ERROR : Brother LPD filter is not installed. how to fix it |
| 22:13.52 | tsrk | WildyLion, i don't really know about keys and stuff but i'll google for that |
| 22:13.53 | WildyLion | Rydekull, whynot? |
| 22:13.55 | enouf | intero: that's all i got man |
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| 22:14.13 | Teddybear_ | lxsameer: yes.. the mirrors should be up to date with lenny |
| 22:14.18 | Rydekull | WildyLion: Well, same thing, just a different risk. Do you get the account on one machine, you can spread like wilfire throughout the park |
| 22:14.20 | intero | enouf: thanks. unfortunately i only got ps2 :) however will see if xev points out some issue |
| 22:14.21 | enouf | intero: note also ; man setxkbdmap ; man loadkeys |
| 22:14.22 | intero | thanks a bunch |
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| 22:14.44 | ugly | is there a way to show a list of installed packages sorted by date? |
| 22:14.50 | WildyLion | Rydekull, protected keys of course. I don't use passwordless keys unless absolutely necessary |
| 22:14.52 | Rydekull | WildyLion: Or just the simple fact of auditing, you completely loose the trail on each machine |
| 22:14.56 | intero | enouf: i tried setxkbmap but i can't seem to be able to launch it in console and can't type that on X :( |
| 22:14.59 | ugly | (date installed, that is) |
| 22:15.02 | enouf | ugly: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:15.09 | enouf | perhaps |
| 22:15.11 | enouf | ugly: /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 22:15.14 | Teddybear_ | ugly: you can look at the log in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:15.15 | ugly | I'll check it out, thanks |
| 22:15.19 | lxsameer | Teddybear_: if i update my repo with deb mirror then all the stable packages should retrieve again? |
| 22:15.20 | Stanlin | s/o/s/ |
| 22:15.36 | Teddybear_ | lxsameer: it should... i think |
| 22:15.37 | Rydekull | WildyLion: Never ever login as root directly, in any way but on a console. Physical access is full access either way |
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| 22:15.49 | enouf | intero: that's because it's set*X*kbmap :-) |
| 22:15.58 | WildyLion | Rydekull, it's that way 99% |
| 22:16.10 | lxsameer | Teddybear_: what about the testing package ? is there still lenny packages? |
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| 22:16.16 | WildyLion | usually I don't even bother to enable root access |
| 22:16.43 | WildyLion | there are special causes like backup, and that's not very secure, i know |
| 22:16.56 | MetalWolf | Hi, has anyone else had the problem that once Lenny is installed it boots up that gdm never comes up and you get left with a black screen? |
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| 22:17.52 | Teddybear_ | testing should be lenny... |
| 22:18.00 | MetalWolf | cntrl-alt F1 etc don't seem to do anything either... bringing it up in single user mode isn't an issue either. |
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| 22:18.18 | Teddybear_ | but in a few days its testing *g* |
| 22:18.37 | drfrog666 | hello, i need help with debian perl module that isnt working right, is this the right channel? |
| 22:18.55 | enouf | ugly: i doubt it'll list/show dependencies and recommends pulled in via installing though .. maybe install dctrl-tools and grep-dctrl - use grep-{dctrl,status,available} see those man pages - or look into using aptitude |
| 22:19.26 | ugly | enouf: thanks |
| 22:19.40 | Vincent0ne- | cool u using debian too enouf |
| 22:19.42 | Vincent0ne- | hi all |
| 22:19.54 | enouf | Vincent0ne-: oh .. just a tad ;-) |
| 22:19.59 | Vincent0ne- | I thought this was different room |
| 22:20.03 | Vincent0ne- | lol |
| 22:20.04 | intero | enouf: on my box the x is not capitalized :-? |
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| 22:20.25 | WildyLion | Rydekull, btw have you had any experience with IDS systems? Need recommendation on what to use with port monitoring on the external line |
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| 22:20.34 | MetalWolf | how does one file a bug report for debian these days? |
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| 22:20.52 | enouf | intero: stop being silly - i was emphasizing the X part |
| 22:20.53 | WildyLion | MetalWolf, reportbug? |
| 22:21.02 | Rydekull | WildyLion: no direct experience in setting them up, no. Things that still need to be filled in on my security resumé |
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| 22:21.18 | MetalWolf | on the system... cool. Just got it coming up now (finally) |
| 22:21.28 | WildyLion | Rydekull, mine too, need to ask my colleagues |
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| 22:21.52 | WildyLion | plan to use a mirrored port to catch suspicious activity |
| 22:21.55 | intero | enouf: ah. i thought you were serious. if i launch setxkbmap it what i get is Cannot open display "default display" |
| 22:22.23 | MetalWolf | just in case anyone else hits this problem. Dual Screens doesn't seem to work with Debian 5.0, disconnected the second screen and the system came up ok. I have a 9600 NVIDIA card |
| 22:22.35 | enouf | ugly: other ways might include checking the dates on the .debs, but your /var/cache/apt* archive might need to have relevant mount options so dates are not skewed |
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| 22:22.54 | enouf | intero: i am serious - but not roebuck |
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| 22:23.43 | enouf | intero: you're root? if echo $DISPLAY says nothing; export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
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| 22:23.56 | Deeboy | Data: 0x34 0x32 0x31 0x41 0x30 0x30 |
| 22:24.02 | Deeboy | Does anyone know what encryption this is? |
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| 22:25.07 | valdyn | Deeboy: thats encrypted? |
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| 22:25.20 | dfighter | how do you even know it is xD |
| 22:25.26 | Monkeyhax | Deeboy: RC4 |
| 22:25.27 | dfighter | unless someone told you it is |
| 22:25.46 | enouf | Deeboy: 0x prefix usually means hex |
| 22:25.51 | Deeboy | enoufok |
| 22:26.03 | Deeboy | need a good hex to normal converter |
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| 22:26.18 | enouf | use your shell's echo :-P |
| 22:26.21 | zzattack | valdyn: my issues with the enourmous system slowdowns on lots of disk activity reduced a lot by using ext4 instead of ext3. I also adjusted kernel timings to 'desktop' which may have helped as well |
| 22:26.39 | dfighter | Deeboy, use your head? |
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| 22:26.46 | Deeboy | dfighter: ? |
| 22:27.00 | intero | enouf: yes i am root and yes i was using 0.0 instead of :0.0, silly me. thanks. however: didn't solve. shall i try en instead of it? |
| 22:27.09 | s5a | is there a command that tells u wat a specific program is written in (programming language)? |
| 22:27.14 | dfighter | 3*16+4, 3*16+2, 3*16+1, 4*16+1, 3+16+0, 3+16+0 |
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| 22:27.25 | enouf | intero: i'm lost again |
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| 22:28.11 | enouf | s5a: file, objdump, readelf, et al might help ascertain |
| 22:28.46 | |rubikcu| | If I think that an archived bug should be reopened, is there a way to do that? Mails to nnn@bugs.debian.org will simply bounce |
| 22:28.50 | elik | enouf, tell you what a binary executable was written in??? |
| 22:28.54 | enouf | gah - mostly file and it's magic.mime i guess ... eww .. nm |
| 22:28.56 | elik | enouf, like, oh, this was C++ |
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| 22:29.12 | enouf | elik: no idea man - ignore me |
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| 22:30.23 | elik | enouf, no, you usually have a good idea.. I was just wondering if file could do magic I didn't know about |
| 22:30.37 | cirzgamanti | hi, could somebody point me to a guide on how to upgrade from stable to testing? |
| 22:30.49 | elik | cause once it's down to byte code, it's usually hard to trace it back to origin... and it's a bit the point of it all |
| 22:31.26 | elik | cirzgamanti, someone else can confirm, but it's usually as simple as changing your sources from stable to testing, then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 22:31.59 | cirzgamanti | elik: ok, that's what i was going to try to do thx. |
| 22:32.13 | enouf | cirzgamanti: no - because testing just became stable |
| 22:32.28 | cirzgamanti | i haven't done this for some time; how are the odds that my system will be working afterwards? :) |
| 22:32.46 | enouf | cirzgamanti: wise men wait some time ; variable though |
| 22:32.56 | rubicube | cirzgamanti: shouldn't it be quite equivalent at this very time? |
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| 22:33.04 | elik | enouf, I just switched my sources from lenny to testing |
| 22:33.21 | elik | enouf, cause I want to stay on the testing fork, not become stable |
| 22:33.27 | elik | enouf, was that a... wise move? |
| 22:33.37 | cirzgamanti | enouf: the thing is i'd like to use kde 4.x soon, but probably it's cleaner to do an upgrade to testing now, instead of installing the backport to lenny first, and upgrade later? |
| 22:33.39 | enouf | (unless you're willing to deal with some possible borkage and either a) help submit patches - or b) report bugs) |
| 22:34.06 | enouf | elik: you tell us ;-) |
| 22:34.21 | elik | enouf, system is still good, no reboot thogh :P |
| 22:34.33 | elik | enouf, I just had 2-- something upgrades this morning |
| 22:34.39 | enouf | elik: better wait :-P |
| 22:35.10 | kj4 | hello all |
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| 22:35.37 | enouf | cirzgamanti: Debian is a rolling distro = upgradeable .. many people work hard to make sure that goes smoothly - sometimes it doesn't |
| 22:35.44 | retybok | How does one change the application language from gnome in lenny? |
| 22:35.57 | xxiao | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 22:36.02 | enouf | retybok: application? |
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| 22:36.13 | xxiao | why do i have to run update.locale to get rid of this? |
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| 22:36.21 | enouf | retybok: see System > preferences .. and also gconf-editor |
| 22:36.22 | retybok | enouf: yeah, the language of the menus, etc. |
| 22:36.29 | kj4 | msg nickserv identify kj4 istillpoopmypants |
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| 22:36.40 | retybok | enouf: I can't find anything relevant in system > preferences |
| 22:36.55 | enouf | look harder - or /msg dpkg gnome |
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| 22:37.23 | enouf | xxiao: not enough information |
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| 22:37.49 | enouf | !enouf |
| 22:37.49 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
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| 22:38.18 | xxiao | enouf: just did a debootstrap in a new lenny, chroot to it, loading all vyatta packages to it, then I hit all those LC_* LANG thing |
| 22:38.33 | retybok | enouf: can't find anything... |
| 22:38.35 | cygnus | is there a way to remove all the X related packages easily that i have installed |
| 22:38.37 | xxiao | enouf: perl is falling back to "C" |
| 22:38.42 | enouf | you guys suck |
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| 22:38.55 | enouf | !try |
| 22:38.56 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
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| 22:39.14 | fridy | hi |
| 22:39.14 | retybok | enouf: don't answer if you don't want to help |
| 22:39.18 | enouf | cygnus: /msg dpkg remove Xorg |
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| 22:39.21 | xxiao | enouf: i saw something similar on ubuntu 8.04 LTS, had to run update-locale |
| 22:39.32 | xxiao | it's just annoying |
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| 22:40.00 | fridy | does anybody know, what happened to mailscanner in lenny? it's not included in my package list... :-( |
| 22:40.05 | enouf | cygnus: sorry /msg dpkg remove X |
| 22:41.23 | enouf | xxiao: is there any part of the "update-alternatives .." system that can help? |
| 22:41.23 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a way to undo an operation done by "mv"? |
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| 22:41.37 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: using ZFS? |
| 22:41.44 | GhostlyDeath | Ext3 |
| 22:41.48 | enouf | nice |
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| 22:41.53 | enouf | !ext3grep |
| 22:41.53 | dpkg | somebody said ext3grep was a tool to assist in recovering deleted files from an <ext3> filesystem. http://code.google.com/p/ext3grep/ Packaged for Debian since Lenny. |
| 22:42.20 | ma3x | why when i do ifup eth0 i get these two warnings before doing NFS mounts (warning). interface lo before doing NFS mounts (warning). interface wlan0 |
| 22:42.26 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: mv back ;-) |
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| 22:42.32 | Stanlin | Help!! ERROR : Brother LPD filter is not installed. how to fix it |
| 22:42.51 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: I lost a bunch of files |
| 22:43.01 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: mv != rm |
| 22:43.04 | cygnus | thank you |
| 22:43.10 | cygnus | wil lthat remove all the x apps |
| 22:43.14 | GhostlyDeath | mv never asked me if I wanted to overwrite anything |
| 22:43.19 | craigevil | ext3grep - Tool to help recover deleted files on ext3 filesystems is in the debian repos although its probably on in sid atm |
| 22:43.44 | enouf | cygnus: you could also then dpkg -l \*xorg* | grep ^.i to see |
| 22:44.08 | cygnus | ok thanks |
| 22:44.21 | cygnus | but let i have xmms installed for example |
| 22:44.25 | cygnus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.25 | elik | first reboot after dist-upgrade to testing from lenny |
| 22:44.28 | elik | wish me luck :D |
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| 22:44.42 | cygnus | good luck |
| 22:44.46 | fridy | elik: good look |
| 22:44.46 | enouf | cygnus: replace xorg with xserver too ... for completeness ;-) |
| 22:45.08 | thender | if I have 3 NICs in one machine all connected to different gateways, is there a way they can each make connections to separate sites without the see-saw effect? |
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| 22:45.25 | enouf | see-saw? |
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| 22:45.32 | enouf | teeter-tooter? |
| 22:45.36 | thender | as eth2 goes up in speed eth1 goes down in speed |
| 22:46.23 | enouf | er teeter-totter? |
| 22:46.24 | thender | and vice versa. once one of them hits their max speed, the other times out whoever was connected to it |
| 22:46.24 | xxiao | ok. on lenny, ssmtp failed to install |
| 22:46.24 | thender | the NIC designated as the default route is unaffected, but the ones i assigned specific routing tables to all screw eac other |
| 22:46.24 | thender | see-saw, enouf :( |
| 22:46.26 | enouf | thender: look into using kvm ;-) |
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| 22:46.29 | cirzgamanti` | elik: after changing all "lenny" to "testing" in sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade gives me '0 upgraded'. does it still think lenny is testing? |
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| 22:46.44 | enouf | thender: offloading is a specialty |
| 22:46.47 | octoberdan | "I'm alright to drive! Look, if it makes you feel any better, I'll stop if I hit someone" |
| 22:46.51 | OpenTokix | cirzgamanti`: One can assume not many packages have changed in one day =) |
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| 22:47.09 | enouf | thender: there might be other ways - check lartc.org |
| 22:47.13 | thender | enouf: it works fine with 2 machines, but not with 3. i don't understand why it doesn't scale |
| 22:47.31 | thender | http://pastebin.com/m58f9922a <-- is my iproute script |
| 22:47.40 | enouf | hrm ... well dual / bi connections are usually the requests |
| 22:47.43 | OpenTokix | cirzgamanti`: It is not like the current sid is forked to testing simultaniously |
| 22:47.54 | intero | enouf: i seem to solve with Option "XkbRules" "xfree" in xorg.conf |
| 22:48.00 | cirzgamanti` | OpenTokix: ah, that's what i thought probably. |
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| 22:48.16 | enouf | intero: interesting ... wonder why |
| 22:48.24 | intero | enouf: dont tell me |
| 22:48.25 | intero | :) |
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| 22:48.55 | DimmuR| | are there any ways to build python3.0 in debian or packages to download? |
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| 22:49.02 | enouf | intero: i use all types of keyboards, some ps/2,. some usb, some with usb->ps/2 adapters ;-) |
| 22:49.03 | intero | enouf: yea it really solves that |
| 22:49.08 | fridy | does anybody know, what happened to mailscanner in lenny? |
| 22:49.09 | thender | enouf, any recommendation on where to start? their guide is a bit intimidating but I'm sure I could figure something out if I had a starting point |
| 22:49.27 | enouf | thender: no - but ##networking might ;-) |
| 22:49.38 | Teddybear_ | intero: but it should be "xorg" on X.org |
| 22:50.27 | intero | Teddybear_: sure thing, and so it's been for the last couple of years |
| 22:50.34 | intero | dont know what broke it |
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| 22:50.39 | elik | Yay |
| 22:50.40 | cirzgamanti` | any hints on how to get kde 4.x now that i'm on testing again? |
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| 22:50.56 | enouf | thender: i used to recommend the gentoo-wiki as well but . we all know that tradgedy -- note; the wiki.debian.org is afoot and coming on strong ;-) also trty debian-administration.org |
| 22:51.02 | dfighter | you can always dl the source from kde's site and compile it |
| 22:51.14 | elik | cirzgamanti, weren't you on lenny in the first place? |
| 22:51.15 | thender | i miss when the gentoo wiki was useful :( |
| 22:51.23 | intero | Teddybear_: i'll eventually move back someday |
| 22:51.27 | xxiao | alright...re-made a vyatta on lenny |
| 22:51.27 | thender | in 2006 it helped me set up mrtg without requiring any left brain function |
| 22:51.29 | cirzgamanti` | dfighter: i'd really rather like a nice package :) |
| 22:51.32 | elik | thender, why isn't it anymore? |
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| 22:51.41 | Teddybear_ | cirzgamanti: you can put experimental to your sources.list |
| 22:51.45 | Deeboy | 9F0607A00000000310105F3401008104000002C68A0230308E10000000000000000041031E0302031F009C01009A030902145F2A0208269F1A0208269F2608E9B230BE8E99DE3082025C009F360200239F37043E611C26950500800080009F100706060A036400009F0702FFC09F2701409F34034103029F080200849B02F8009F3501229F3303E0B8C09F3901039F0E0500100000009F0F05F068FCF8009F0D05F060EC28009F0902008C |
| 22:51.49 | Deeboy | this is MD5 right? |
| 22:51.52 | intero | enouf: thanks alot for everything |
| 22:51.58 | dfighter | Deeboy how the hell should we know? |
| 22:52.03 | intero | Deeboy: too long afaik |
| 22:52.05 | dfighter | that's a big number |
| 22:52.14 | dfighter | thats all that you can tell about it |
| 22:52.17 | Deeboy | any idea what encoding or encryption it is |
| 22:52.20 | comradekingu | Is there a wubi-like installer for debian lenny 5.0? I found http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 22:52.21 | Deeboy | ? |
| 22:52.26 | dfighter | Deeboy: it's a number |
| 22:52.36 | Deeboy | dfighter: how do you know? |
| 22:52.39 | Teddybear_ | www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 22:52.41 | comradekingu | But that will install etch 4.0, and its not officially endorsed |
| 22:52.41 | dfighter | lol |
| 22:52.46 | cirzgamanti` | elik: yes, why? Teddybear_ : thx, i'll try that |
| 22:52.59 | dfighter | Deeboy, like I looked at it? |
| 22:53.01 | elik | dfighter, it's bounded between 0 and F |
| 22:53.04 | dfighter | it's a big hexa number |
| 22:53.24 | cygnus | after i upgraded using aptitude can i go back to using apt-get |
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| 22:53.33 | enouf | intero: np |
| 22:53.33 | elik | cirzgamanti, well, why did you go on testing if you wanted to stay on 4.X |
| 22:53.36 | Deeboy | dfighter: any way to convert that? |
| 22:53.45 | comradekingu | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/more.html --> By default, this program always installs Debian etch |
| 22:53.53 | elik | cirzgamanti, I'm not sure it's possible to downgrade... |
| 22:54.07 | dfighter | Deeboy, convert to what? |
| 22:54.10 | elik | you'd have needed to stay on etch |
| 22:54.11 | dfighter | decimal? |
| 22:54.12 | Teddybear_ | but i think that the Windows-Installer should be install stable or use this "etch" ? |
| 22:54.13 | dfighter | binary? |
| 22:54.15 | dfighter | or what? |
| 22:54.25 | elik | dfighter, no, hexa |
| 22:54.32 | dfighter | elik: I know it is |
| 22:54.37 | elik | hum, sorry |
| 22:54.40 | dfighter | but he asked if there is any way to convert it |
| 22:54.41 | dfighter | lol |
| 22:54.46 | cirzgamanti` | elik: kde 4.x, not debian |
| 22:54.54 | dfighter | thats why I asked what he wants to convert it to |
| 22:55.00 | rubikcube | hi, I guess that /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-486/modules.pcimap is a lookup table for devices <-> compatible modules, correct? |
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| 22:55.11 | marsje | does anyone have recipient black listing configured in exim (in lenny)? I can't seem to get it to work... |
| 22:55.33 | cirzgamanti` | hmm, looks like kde 4.2 depends on some sid packages :( |
| 22:55.55 | xxiao | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog ---which package i'm missing? |
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| 22:56.37 | Teddybear_ | xxiao: dialog ??? |
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| 22:57.07 | xxiao | Teddybear_: thanks. trying that |
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| 22:57.30 | dfighter | speaking of hexa |
| 22:57.32 | Teddybear_ | and i think xdialog or python-dialog... try it out |
| 22:57.36 | dfighter | I need some C0FFEE |
| 22:57.40 | dfighter | xD |
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| 22:58.46 | Teddybear_ | xxiao: but the debconf package say only "dialog" |
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| 23:00.04 | xxiao | Teddybear_: looks like dialog did it. |
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| 23:00.55 | Teddybear_ | xxiao: fine |
| 23:01.19 | xxiao | Teddybear_: thanks! just replicated vyatta basic pkgs on lenny |
| 23:01.48 | xxiao | curious on what pkgs vyatta is using for a good router |
| 23:02.19 | henriquetft | W: Conflicting distribution: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release (expected etch but got sarge). |
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| 23:02.26 | henriquetft | someone knows what is that? |
| 23:02.42 | henriquetft | on aptitude update |
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| 23:03.00 | Teddybear_ | mhhh... they don't need to use debconf, i think |
| 23:03.10 | elik | probably something to do with lenny just being released |
| 23:03.17 | henriquetft | hmm |
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| 23:04.19 | elik | debian-multimedia repo is messed up... wasn't etch still testing not so long ago? |
| 23:04.28 | enouf | dfighter: add sambuca atleast |
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| 23:05.44 | Teddybear_ | etch is 22month old |
| 23:05.46 | dfighter | sambuca? |
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| 23:06.30 | elik | hum, sambuca |
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| 23:08.32 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambuca |
| 23:08.49 | dfighter | yea I've read that :P |
| 23:09.09 | enouf | Teddybear_: B'day in `2 months? |
| 23:09.22 | enouf | er s/`/~ |
| 23:11.20 | nightglider28 | Alright, question.. |
| 23:11.27 | muddd | okie dokie answer |
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| 23:12.11 | nightglider28 | I have two external firewire drives. Both are 500gb 7200rm. I have them daisy-chained. I have the ext3 hooked directly to my laptop and the NTFS hooked to the ext3. |
| 23:12.45 | nightglider28 | Would I be able to copy to my NTFS drive faster from my laptop or from the ext3? |
| 23:13.11 | cygnus | hi after i upgraded to debian lenny my x is much smaller resolution is there a way to change it back to how it was before |
| 23:13.12 | muddd | using what to copy? |
| 23:13.21 | cygnus | i care because i use nxclient to ssh in and now it's much laggier |
| 23:13.30 | nightglider28 | muddd: Nautilus and CTRL+(C/V). |
| 23:13.47 | gravity | cygnus: xrandr |
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| 23:14.04 | muddd | um, i'm guessing maybe ext3 would be faster, have you benchmarked it? |
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| 23:14.27 | nightglider28 | I have not. |
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| 23:15.04 | muddd | have you read about how to do home-made benchmarking? I know some use programs to do that but I use "dd" and "time" |
| 23:15.07 | karsten | muddd: faster than what? |
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| 23:15.28 | mrglinux | i installed leny in text mode but when i enter ifconfig the eth0 doesn't appear in list. but the lamp of NIC is light . does it need to install ? |
| 23:15.31 | muddd | ntfs and ext3 drive daisy chained with firewire |
| 23:15.40 | muddd | drives |
| 23:15.43 | karsten | muddd: bonnie++ is a typical burn-in program, not sure it does menchmarking |
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| 23:15.55 | muddd | nightglider28 has asked that above |
| 23:15.56 | dominiq | hello |
| 23:16.03 | enouf | muddd: sounds like a homogenational nightmare |
| 23:16.10 | muddd | heheheh |
| 23:16.13 | karsten | muddd: "daisy-chained"? I'll check scrollback |
| 23:16.21 | dominiq | so lenny is now stable? |
| 23:16.33 | gravity | dominiq: Yes |
| 23:16.43 | karsten | dominiq: /topic |
| 23:16.58 | dominiq | that's just great to hear |
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| 23:17.49 | zack23_ | I've upgraded my server to lenny - thanks for the help guys...all is running well... btw, what is the latest kernel for lenny? |
| 23:18.01 | Stanlin | Help, how to reduce the Font size? |
| 23:18.05 | streuner | 2.6.26 |
| 23:18.05 | cygnus | gravity: i can change the resolution using gnome screen resolutio nbut it just is not the smae as before |
| 23:18.08 | streuner | i guess |
| 23:18.33 | zack23_ | hmm the kernel didnt get upgraded - do I have to do this manually? |
| 23:18.40 | streuner | yes |
| 23:18.46 | themill | zack23_: did you read the release notes? |
| 23:18.57 | mrglinux | debian lenny doesn't recognize my network card |
| 23:19.23 | dominiq | mrglinux model? |
| 23:19.43 | zack23_ | themill: yes I did "If you are currently running a 2.6 series kernel from etch this upgrade will take place automatically after you do a full upgrade of the system packages" |
| 23:19.54 | Teddybear_ | zack23_: yes... or install the meta-packet |
| 23:19.57 | mrglinux | dominiq d-link it's a Ethernet cart (eth0 ) |
| 23:19.57 | enouf | Stanlin: just use windows, you'll be happier |
| 23:20.05 | zack23_ | themill: it didn't do the upgrade of the kernel - I'm still running 2.6.25 |
| 23:20.09 | mrglinux | and the lampp is light alsoi |
| 23:20.14 | Stanlin | enouf: i use debian for 10 years. |
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| 23:20.21 | enouf | Stanlin: no you haven't |
| 23:20.23 | zack23_ | (I did "aptitude full-upgrade") |
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| 23:20.32 | Stanlin | enouf: i did, just i have bad memory |
| 23:20.41 | amphi | Stanlin: I thought your fonts were too small |
| 23:20.41 | Teddybear_ | zack23_: is linux-image-2.6 installed?? |
| 23:20.42 | streuner | zack23_: well, .25 isnt a Debian Kernel. |
| 23:20.52 | multi_io | why doesn't aptitude display the full repository path when referring to repositories listed in sources.list? |
| 23:21.01 | mrglinux | is it possible eth0 doesn't show in ifconfig ? |
| 23:21.01 | multi_io | e.g. the repository is named "http://tick:9999/debian-security" in sources.list, but aptitude only calls it "http://tick" |
| 23:21.02 | Stanlin | amphi: well i just want to show more information in 10" screen |
| 23:21.03 | themill | zack23_: right, so you didn't read section 4.6 of the release notes |
| 23:21.05 | enouf | Stanlin: no - i have bad memory |
| 23:21.15 | enouf | Stanlin: what you have is a troll bug |
| 23:21.37 | amphi | Stanlin: I already told you how I changed it |
| 23:21.49 | enouf | steps back |
| 23:22.07 | mrglinux | no solution? |
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| 23:22.18 | multi_io | (which presumably works if you're using real remote repositories instead of approx-hosted local ones, because with remote repositories the hostname is different for each one) |
| 23:22.39 | enouf | mrglinux: ls /sys/class/net |
| 23:22.50 | zack23_ | themill: that quote is from 4.6.2 - I am rereading it in case I missed something but I don't think so |
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| 23:23.19 | mrglinux | enouf eth0 lo but when i enter ifconfig just show lo |
| 23:23.31 | Teddybear_ | zack23_: on your machine in no "linux-image-2.6-(arch)" installed... |
| 23:23.43 | Teddybear_ | so it doesn't upgrade the kernel |
| 23:23.47 | zack23_ | Teddybear_: oh, like linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem ? |
| 23:23.53 | Teddybear_ | yes |
| 23:23.58 | themill | zack23_: that quote is from a paragraph that starts "if you are running a 2.6 kernel from etch" which you were not, hence it wasn't automatic |
| 23:24.04 | MetalWolf | hi, how can I tell which nvidia video driver I am currently using? |
| 23:24.31 | Stanlin | amphi: how to change font size?? its the first time im asking that |
| 23:24.36 | enouf | MetalWolf: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:25.01 | zack23_ | also one more simple question - I've been used to running apt-get for a while but now all the docs are referencing aptitude - is this just another frontend to apt-get ? |
| 23:25.26 | Teddybear_ | zack23_: if this meta-packet is installed it will upgrade.. if only linux-image-2.6.24-xxxxx is installed it will not |
| 23:25.27 | mrglinux | enouf ? |
| 23:25.42 | amphi | Stanlin: sorry, I mistook you for someone else |
| 23:25.46 | MetalWolf | thats enouf.... I'm guessing nv_drv.so is xserver-xorg-video-nv ? |
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| 23:26.14 | amphi | Stanlin: I changed the dpi setting in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 23:26.31 | zack23_ | Teddybear_: Okay I installed linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem and it installed linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem - what about the headers? I have linux-headers-2.6.25-2-686-bigmem and linux-headers-2.6.25-2-common - can i get rid of the last two packages? |
| 23:26.34 | Teddybear_ | aptitude is another frontend to dpkg.. apt-get is allso a frontend to dpkg |
| 23:26.38 | themill | zack23_: aptitude isn't another front end to apt-get, it's a better front end to libapt. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 23:26.41 | amphi | Stanlin: 75 is ok on this 12" panel, FWIW |
| 23:26.59 | Teddybear_ | install linux-headers-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 23:27.03 | Stanlin | amphi: whats the range? lower is more smaller? |
| 23:27.20 | Stanlin | amphi: if i use 50.. will it be small? |
| 23:27.42 | enouf | zack23_: do you know what a symbolic link is? |
| 23:27.48 | amphi | lower will be smaller |
| 23:27.56 | zack23_ | enouf: yes.... |
| 23:28.00 | Teddybear_ | lower = smaller |
| 23:28.11 | enouf | zack23_: and are you aware of readlink? |
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| 23:28.34 | zack23_ | yes that just reads the value |
| 23:28.37 | Stanlin | amphi: would you mind to paste that line? i dont have such dpi settings in my xorg.conf |
| 23:28.43 | zack23_ | of said symbolic link.. |
| 23:28.51 | enouf | zack23_: no .. it follows the link |
| 23:28.55 | amphi | Stanlin: I said nothing about xorg.conf |
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| 23:29.07 | Stanlin | amphi: ...ouch |
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| 23:29.12 | enouf | zack23_: said link could point to anything |
| 23:29.37 | zack23_ | enouf: right so you are saying that these linux files are essentially symbolic links to specific versions |
| 23:29.51 | Stanlin | amphi: there is no such line in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
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| 23:30.10 | zack23_ | (installing linux-headers-2.6-686-bigmem now)...I must've installed a specific version a while back and it stuck on that |
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| 23:30.32 | Teddybear_ | zack23_: do you read my line about the header package? |
| 23:30.34 | enouf | zack23_: do you have any deb-src lines in sources.list? |
| 23:30.37 | enouf | zack23_: |
| 23:30.40 | enouf | /mnt/p3/home/exper/linux-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
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| 23:30.43 | amphi | Stanlin: there is in mine |
| 23:30.46 | enouf | crap |
| 23:30.59 | amphi | Stanlin: "exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 75 -nolisten tcp" |
| 23:31.00 | enouf | zack23_: $ apt-cache showsrc linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem |
| 23:31.08 | enouf | zack23_: 25 is old |
| 23:31.11 | enouf | remove it |
| 23:31.34 | zack23_ | well let me upgrade to 26 first, reboot and them remove 25 right? |
| 23:31.35 | Stanlin | amphi: thank you a lot |
| 23:31.47 | Teddybear_ | zack23_: yes |
| 23:31.47 | enouf | zack23_: /msg dpkg security |
| 23:31.52 | Stanlin | amphi: ill need to backup this comp, ill never be able to customize the config again like this |
| 23:32.13 | enouf | zack23_: always keep known working kernels around |
| 23:32.19 | enouf | until you are sure |
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| 23:33.07 | zack23_ | yes, 25 is working..i'll keep it until i boot into 26 and know things are fine |
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| 23:34.05 | zack23_ | enouf: yes I had that line in sources.list, thanks |
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| 23:34.45 | Teddybear_ | nice to read that the users here in this channel give hints to stay secure |
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| 23:36.17 | Chicago | Can someone recommend an alternative to http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/ which can be installed via the package manager? (On Lenny). |
| 23:36.46 | Lennie78 | I'm trying to make a Debian Live (USB) on an AMD64-machine but I can't find how to create i386-flavor, any pointers (I tried config/chroot LH_LINUX_FLAVOURS it didn't seem to work) ? |
| 23:37.17 | themill | dpkg: tell Chicago about dmm |
| 23:37.18 | Chicago | Lennie78: For installing debian or running debian? |
| 23:37.37 | Kohlrabi | Lennie78: 0x3A28213A 0x6339392C, 0x7363682E |
| 23:37.44 | themill | Chicago: xvidcap is on debian-multimedia.org; see the msg you just got from dpkg |
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| 23:37.52 | enouf | try Baskin-Robbins for flavors |
| 23:37.53 | Chicago | themill: gracias |
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| 23:38.04 | Lennie78 | Chicago: running, but I'm thinking of adding some parts like debbootstrap and seeing how far I can get to be dual-functional ;-) |
| 23:38.32 | i_am_ed | I'm upgrading a diskless installation (NFS filesystem) from etch to lenny. I've had to hold the 'mount' package because it complains about the NFS mount otherwise. Any ideas how I can upgrade 'mount' to the lenny version? |
| 23:39.44 | themill | i_am_ed: section 5.2 of the release notes covers this -- does this help? |
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| 23:40.27 | Lennie78 | Kohlrabi: I don't think I understood your remark |
| 23:40.28 | enouf | i_am_ed: likely your initrd options in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf (or /etc/default/nfs*) are wrong |
| 23:40.36 | i_am_ed | themill: i'll look, thanks. I think I need nfs-common installed (which I had assumed was already installed, tbh) |
| 23:40.44 | Kohlrabi | Lennie78: some...pointers |
| 23:40.57 | themill | i_am_ed: that's what the notes seem to suggest, yes. |
| 23:41.00 | enouf | nm |
| 23:41.01 | Lennie78 | Kohlrabi: ohh, ok :-) |
| 23:41.06 | Kohlrabi | Lennie78: http://xkcd.com/138/ |
| 23:41.20 | Kohlrabi | old but good :) |
| 23:41.38 | Lennie78 | Kohlrabi: is this were I respond with: I hate you ? ;-) |
| 23:41.42 | zack23_ | hate losing my good uptime, but i've upgraded to 26 and things are up fine. i will remove 25 in a couple of days |
| 23:41.48 | Kohlrabi | Lennie78: yup :) |
| 23:42.02 | zack23_ | enouf: I also have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main in sources.list - is this fine? |
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| 23:42.12 | Stanlin | test |
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| 23:42.32 | themill | Stanlin: fail. Try again |
| 23:43.10 | enouf | zack23_: fine? for what? |
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| 23:43.23 | Wyzard | Does anyone here have experience with installing lenny in Xen using the xm-debian.cfg file mentioned on the Debian wiki? It mostly works for me, but it can't find pygrub due to bug #481105, which is |
| 23:43.30 | Wyzard | oops, which is over half a year old |
| 23:43.37 | zack23_ | I mean is that the entry required for staying with lenny? I notice non-free is not there.. |
| 23:43.51 | Lennie78 | Kohlrabi: I think I might be incapable of hate, sowwy I can't oblige |
| 23:44.25 | enouf | Wyzard: wasn't the pygrub bug hand;ed in a security upgrade? |
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| 23:44.35 | Lennie78 | Kohlrabi: you don't by any chance of an answer to my question ? |
| 23:45.21 | Wyzard | enouf: this is on a freshly-installed lenny, using the xm-debian.cfg from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/xen/ |
| 23:45.23 | Kohlrabi | Lennie78: sadly, no |
| 23:45.32 | enouf | Wyzard: are you referring to |
| 23:45.45 | enouf | ,18 or .26 ? |
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| 23:45.51 | Wyzard | .26 |
| 23:45.54 | Stanlin | ping |
| 23:45.55 | enouf | ok |
| 23:46.13 | Wyzard | and it's not a security problem as far as I can tell; it's just that one of the xend python scripts has the path "/usr/bin/pygrub" in it but pygrub is actually in /usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/bin |
| 23:46.17 | enouf | Wyzard: you got me .. dunno |
| 23:46.20 | Stanlin | amphi: how to reduce the font padding or margin? |
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| 23:47.07 | DeSian | any how to in debian wiki about connection dyndns with /var/www ? |
| 23:47.26 | amphi | Stanlin: why would you need to do that? use another font, if you din't like that one's spacing; FWIW, I find deja vu sans [mono] pleasant |
| 23:47.29 | Chicago | themill: Thanks, I followed the pm and read the debian-multimedia page; now I have the package. :) |
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| 23:47.40 | yassine | hey guys is it possible to have vim-full installed without the gtk stuff with it? |
| 23:47.46 | themill | Chicago: excellent ;) |
| 23:47.49 | Wyzard | I can fix it -- bug #481105 even has a patch -- but I'm surprised if lenny's final set of files for installing under Xen (the ones at that link I mentioned) are nonfunctional as-is |
| 23:48.06 | enouf | Wyzard: what i'm recalling was a real security issue |
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| 23:48.32 | Wyzard | yeah, I heard about something like that, but I don't think it's related |
| 23:48.35 | CheeToS | I keep getting the following after running aptitude update: |
| 23:48.37 | Raylz | are there still release critical bugs around? |
| 23:48.37 | CheeToS | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 23:48.37 | CheeToS | 4D270D06F42584E6 |
| 23:48.52 | enouf | Wyzard: had to do with alllowing domU to enter dom0 though a grub thing |
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| 23:49.11 | enouf | ok |
| 23:49.21 | enouf | not related perhaps |
| 23:49.42 | themill | yassine: vim-full is actually vim-gnome, so no. You presumably just want the "vim" package. |
| 23:50.17 | DeSian | i have dyndns subdomain with my IP, will redirect it to my /var/www/Web directory, the account is add in router. any how to or instruction? :) |
| 23:50.20 | Stanlin | test |
| 23:50.34 | Stanlin | wow now its so small... i will miss all answers... |
| 23:50.35 | maligor | you mean vim-nox? |
| 23:51.00 | yassine | themill, that's what i figured out thanks! |
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| 23:53.14 | themill | CheeToS: install the debian-archive-keyring package |
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| 23:54.03 | CheeToS | that did it, thanks |
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| 23:55.02 | enouf | "does it" |
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| 23:56.27 | Teddybear_ | hi DeSian *g* |
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| 23:56.50 | DeSian | hi Teddybear_ |
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| 23:57.21 | Teddybear_ | DeSian: mach einfach eine Portweiterleitung in deinem Router |
| 23:57.53 | Teddybear_ | und dann im apache nen vhost anlegen der auf deine dyndns reagiert |
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| 23:58.37 | DeSian | Teddybear_: habe ich gemacht, bin gerade auf andere PC. danke http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php?topic=222958.0 |
| 23:58.43 | themill | !de |
| 23:58.43 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
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| 23:59.02 | DeSian | themill: srry |
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| 23:59.19 | Teddybear_ | wtf? |
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| 23:59.58 | themill | DeSian: no worries -- you'll just get better help in german in the german-language channel. Trust me, you don't want me to start trying to speak german to you to help you.... |
