| 00:00.09 | Sebboh | hi. I see a package (in testing (squeeze)) on packages.debian.org that I don't see on my local machine (sources.conf specifies 'testing', apt-get update just done). What gives? Package is 'skytools'. |
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| 00:00.35 | Lennie78 | Chicago/Kohlrabi: found the solution, lh_config has an option -a where the architecture can be passed |
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| 00:00.41 | Teddybear_ | themill: sorry... its my fault... |
| 00:00.42 | Fah | i'm doing a dist-upgrade, but it seems to be stuck on a libc6 issue. It cant upgrade libc6 to 2.7 |
| 00:01.05 | bahadunn | Sebboh: perhaps not in your local mirror yet? |
| 00:01.25 | DeSian | themill: that was my fault, her is very nice :) |
| 00:01.40 | themill | dpkg: tell Fah about bat |
| 00:01.50 | Teddybear_ | but why should i talk englisch when DeSian can talk german ? *g* |
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| 00:02.32 | bahadunn | Teddybear_: the government of this channel may not like it |
| 00:02.38 | Sebboh | bahadunn, http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/debian/pool/main/s/skytools/ .. It's there in the server I specifed in my sources.list. Hm. Weird? |
| 00:03.10 | bahadunn | Sebboh: aptitude show skytools does not show the version you expect? |
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| 00:03.22 | themill | Sebboh: can you pastebin "apt-cache policy skytools" |
| 00:03.24 | Teddybear_ | ok ok... |
| 00:03.27 | Kohlrabi | Lennie78: nice, I will remember that, if someone asks :) |
| 00:03.44 | Sebboh | bahadunn, I'm not using aptitude, I'm using apt-get.. Well, and for example: "apt-cache search skytools" |
| 00:03.47 | Teddybear_ | DeSian: why don't you ask in our jabber chat? |
| 00:03.56 | Sebboh | themill, ah! checking. |
| 00:04.25 | bahadunn | Sebboh: it doesnt matter |
| 00:04.27 | Sebboh | themill, not much to pastebin: W: Unable to locate package skytools |
| 00:04.32 | Mikaze | wishes apt had a --shut-the-hell-up parameter so it would only print things when user input was needed. |
| 00:04.35 | Chicago | themill: Do you know the availability of packages which do a better jobs than xvidcap at capturing 100 percent of the frames? |
| 00:04.38 | bahadunn | Sebboh: apt-cache show skytools works just as well |
| 00:04.58 | Sebboh | bahadunn, no package found. |
| 00:05.23 | themill | Sebboh: that indicates that your mirror may not have been updated to squeeze yet. That package has only just gone into squeeze in the last few hours. |
| 00:05.26 | bahadunn | Sebboh: strange |
| 00:05.27 | themill | Chicago: no idea. |
| 00:05.35 | bahadunn | yeah |
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| 00:05.54 | DeSian | Teddybear_: i'm just asking, because the settings was faulty (apache). yet worked find and thanx. |
| 00:05.56 | Fah | here's all relevant information. http://paste.debian.net/28459/ |
| 00:05.59 | bahadunn | Sebboh: seems like your mirror is not updated yet so apt-get update did not do as you expected |
| 00:06.03 | Sebboh | themill, well, http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/debian/pool/main/s/skytools/ ... looks like it is there. Maybe they haven't updated the packages list file yet though? |
| 00:06.13 | Mikaze | Which Toy Story char is squeeze? |
| 00:06.20 | leachim6 | hey...how can I update to to lenny |
| 00:06.31 | leachim6 | I did "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it says no upgrade available |
| 00:06.32 | themill | leachim6: /topic |
| 00:06.33 | Sebboh | Anyway, skytools (some version) has been in Lenny in the past, too. ..At least, I thought. Anyway, I'll switch mirrors for fun. |
| 00:06.38 | Teddybear_ | DeSian: ahh.. ok.. pebcak har har har |
| 00:06.40 | themill | Sebboh: the package has been in sid all along, it's just only migrated to squeeze |
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| 00:06.47 | DeSian | !tell leachim6 about etch->lenny |
| 00:06.49 | Fah | should I try compiling a 2.6 kernel package and installing that first? |
| 00:06.57 | Sebboh | themill, so it was never in Lenny? Ok. |
| 00:07.12 | themill | Sebboh: it may have been at one stage, but it wasn't when lenny released. |
| 00:07.16 | Mikaze | Change etch to lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list and then run dist-upgrade. |
| 00:07.19 | Sebboh | I see. Thank you. |
| 00:07.35 | themill | Mikaze: there's more to it than that. be careful |
| 00:07.40 | DeSian | Teddybear_: ?! |
| 00:07.41 | newsense | yay my mirror finally has squeeze |
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| 00:08.01 | Lennie78 | Who do I contact if I have suggestion(s) for the Debian Live manual/wiki ? |
| 00:08.12 | newsense | should i do a an aptitude full-upgrade to go from lenny to squeeze ? |
| 00:08.16 | Teddybear_ | DeSian: Problem exists between cair and keyboard *g* |
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| 00:08.37 | themill | Fah: are you currently running etch with a 2.4 kernel on that machine> |
| 00:08.39 | Teddybear_ | DeSian: ups chair .. *g* |
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| 00:09.03 | DeSian | newsense: will be worked today or yet the full-upgrade |
| 00:09.16 | newsense | heh |
| 00:09.27 | Fah | themill: i'm trying to upgrade to the current stable release |
| 00:09.30 | DeSian | newsense: hmm |
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| 00:09.36 | Fah | themill: from the previous stable release |
| 00:09.40 | jhutchins | Woo! 20kB/s on the upgrade! I'm an idiot for trying it the day it released, should've waited a week. |
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| 00:09.45 | Lennie78 | for got by question about the debian live manual, I know, there is an e-mail address at the top-page of the manual ;-) |
| 00:09.52 | themill | Fah: I can see that, but that doesn't answer my question... what's the output of: uname -r |
| 00:10.10 | Fah | 2.4.29.050207 |
| 00:10.14 | DeSian | jhutchins: use torrents :) |
| 00:10.22 | Fah | yes, I have a 2.4 kernel currently |
| 00:10.37 | Teddybear_ | Fah: then you have to install a 2.6 Kernel from lenny |
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| 00:10.45 | jhutchins | DeSian: Can one use torrents directly with aptitude? Or do you mean to download the images. |
| 00:10.48 | themill | Fah: right, so as the release notes say, you need to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel first. See section 4.6.3. |
| 00:11.00 | Fah | Teddybear_: and when I try to do that, it can't procede |
| 00:11.02 | Teddybear_ | or perhaps the 2.6 from etch and then upgrade |
| 00:11.13 | bahadunn | jhutchins: images |
| 00:11.16 | Teddybear_ | well.. because udev right? |
| 00:11.18 | Hentai | is there a debian sparc channel? |
| 00:11.23 | Fah | hrm, I can grab the .deb and install it via dpkg I guess |
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| 00:11.29 | bahadunn | Hentai: not sure |
| 00:11.29 | Teddybear_ | or because the initramfs-tools |
| 00:11.35 | bahadunn | Hentai: you using debian on sparc? |
| 00:11.42 | themill | dpkg: tell Hentai about sparc |
| 00:11.46 | jhutchins | What kind of speed are you guys getting from torrents? |
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| 00:11.59 | Hentai | bahadunn, soon, preping my ultra 10 |
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| 00:12.24 | bahadunn | Hentai: I remember those days |
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| 00:12.35 | Teddybear_ | Fah: what say aptitude, when you try? |
| 00:12.41 | Hentai | bahadunn, wanted to find out what would be better the ATI onboard or the 3d gfx board expansion |
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| 00:12.59 | bahadunn | Hentai: are you going to be running a GUI on it? |
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| 00:13.11 | Hentai | bahadunn, yes |
| 00:13.25 | bahadunn | Hentai: you are not expecting 3d support though right? |
| 00:13.27 | Fah | http://paste.debian.net/28459/ shows a (ugly) comment where I'm trying to install a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:13.47 | Hentai | bahadunn, atleast until I learn more about it and decided what to do with the system, correct no need for 3d accelerated support |
| 00:13.54 | Fah | i think i need to add lines to my sources.list for the old release, install a 2.6 kernel from that and maybe it'll work |
| 00:14.00 | Hentai | unless I find a way to get quake 3 running on it bahadunn |
| 00:14.05 | bahadunn | Hentai: I would say the ati driver in xorg would do nicely |
| 00:14.16 | jhutchins | Fah: I would say you need to do a clean install and just go direct to lenny. |
| 00:14.29 | Fah | I'm upgrading this server remotely |
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| 00:14.35 | digitaloktay | hi people |
| 00:14.36 | Fah | a clean install isn't an option |
| 00:14.42 | bahadunn | Hentai: you may be able to build fglrx on sparc but I think not |
| 00:14.52 | Hentai | bahadunn, alright take it you used to deal with sparc64 and such before |
| 00:14.53 | bahadunn | Hentai: but maybe it is possible |
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| 00:14.56 | jhutchins | Fah: That's rough. |
| 00:14.57 | abrotman | Fah: you can certainly try that .. just make sure you've got someone on site in case it doesn't come back |
| 00:15.00 | themill | Fah: the instructions tell you to install an *etch* 2.6 kernel first |
| 00:15.12 | bahadunn | Hentai: yes but not with a GUI |
| 00:15.32 | bahadunn | Hentai: purely in a server production environment with command line only. So I never had to worry about a GUI |
| 00:15.47 | Fah | themill: they do, and thats fine and good, but if a person makes a mistake, there's no safety net |
| 00:15.55 | jelly-home | Fah: you need to upgrade your system to etch, first. Your sources.list is wrong there. |
| 00:15.57 | Hentai | bahadunn, I understand its a personal system just messing around with it, had it for years didn't really do anything with it |
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| 00:16.18 | bahadunn | Hentai: but debian runs on sparc fine and I dont see why you would not be able to install xorg on the system and use the drivers xorg provides for your graphics hardware |
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| 00:16.27 | bahadunn | Hentai: go for it |
| 00:16.36 | jhutchins | Fah: It's really difficult to get a smooth transition from the old 2.4 architecture to 2.6. I had a couple of Gentoo servers that I couldn't do the change with, ended up replacing them with Debian. |
| 00:16.44 | bahadunn | Hentai: sparc hardware is interesting for sure |
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| 00:16.55 | jelly-home | Fah: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1? |
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| 00:17.02 | jhutchins | Fah: So much of how Debian does things has changed. |
| 00:17.17 | Hentai | bahadunn, once its up I will be back in here with it on irc |
| 00:17.18 | bahadunn | Hentai: I think #debian-sparc would benefit you also as those guys may know a bit about it |
| 00:17.18 | Fah | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:17.26 | bahadunn | Hentai: sounds good |
| 00:17.28 | jhutchins | Fah: It was a much smoother transition in the RPM world, but they generally didn't even do upgrades until a year ot two ago. |
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| 00:17.59 | themill | Fah: (a) we like people to read (b) there's a safety net, you can change your sources.list back to etch, start reading and then complete your upgrade. |
| 00:18.02 | Hentai | bahadunn, invite only channel |
| 00:18.03 | jelly-home | Fah: replace "stable" in sources.list with "etch", do an apt-get update, and _then_ try installing a 2.6 kernel. |
| 00:18.13 | bahadunn | Hentai: on oftc |
| 00:18.21 | bahadunn | Hentai: connect to irc.debian.org |
| 00:18.22 | Hentai | ok |
| 00:18.30 | jelly-home | Fah: read etch release notes. |
| 00:18.50 | jhutchins | when was the 2.4 - 2.6 transition in Debian? |
| 00:18.59 | bahadunn | Hentai: wish you the best with your project |
| 00:19.03 | Teddybear_ | ohhh.. Sarge ? |
| 00:19.06 | Hentai | thanks bahadunn |
| 00:19.14 | Wyzard | jhulst: sarge had 2.6 available, etch made it the default |
| 00:19.25 | abrotman | jhutchins: sarge had both 2.4 and 2.6 .. etch only had 2.6 |
| 00:19.26 | Teddybear_ | and lenny 2.6 only |
| 00:19.35 | jhutchins | Wyzard: Ok, so he shouldn't have too hard a time getting etch from 4 to 6/ |
| 00:19.36 | jhutchins | . |
| 00:19.41 | Teddybear_ | etch supported 2.4 |
| 00:19.48 | jhutchins | Clearly. |
| 00:19.50 | Teddybear_ | lenny doesn't |
| 00:19.52 | jelly-home | Fah: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html |
| 00:20.01 | jelly-home | Teddybear_: it didn't really. |
| 00:20.22 | jelly-home | Teddybear_: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-incompatible-2.4 |
| 00:20.34 | Teddybear_ | jelly-home: i don't know.. but it should work you see... |
| 00:20.45 | jhutchins | Well, it must have supported it well enough that he's running 2.4 on a (mostly) etch system. |
| 00:20.53 | bahadunn | Hentai: if you ever get your hands on alpha equipment and want to run debian on it I use to deal some with that as well |
| 00:21.15 | jelly-home | Teddybear_: in any case, the upgrade to 2.6 needs to be done before attempting lenny. |
| 00:21.17 | Fah | yeah, and it says "Some applications may no longer work with a 2.4 kernel" |
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| 00:22.00 | jhutchins | Fah: I would say definitely get the system up to current etch with 2.6 first. |
| 00:22.09 | Fah | it does not say that running a 2.4 kernel will hose your upgrade. |
| 00:22.12 | jhutchins | Fah: Look for material on upgrading etch from 2.4 to 2.6. |
| 00:22.13 | Teddybear_ | i mean that i have read something about the reason why 2.4 doesn't work with lenny.. but i don't know the source of this |
| 00:22.16 | jelly-home | Fah: it also tells you how to install 2.6. |
| 00:22.17 | Fah | its current etch, i just need th e kernel |
| 00:22.25 | Hentai | bahadunn, heh thats one of the systems I wanted to orginally get but to run NT4 on |
| 00:22.26 | themill | Fah: the release notes for lenny do. Stop complaining and start reading. |
| 00:22.30 | Fah | yeah, its just stuck at the moment |
| 00:22.35 | jelly-home | Fah: your sources.list doesn't point to etch any more. |
| 00:22.40 | plsd | I'm trying to get Compiz to work on Debian 5.0 with Intel GMA 3100. I installed the packages libgl1-mesa-dri and compiz and then I restarted X and did "compiz --replace" which gives me this message http://pastebin.com/m598a6606 |
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| 00:22.43 | Fah | it does now |
| 00:22.44 | bahadunn | Hentai: I had two given to me |
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| 00:23.03 | bahadunn | Hentai: about 15 or 20 grand each new |
| 00:23.04 | jelly-home | Fah: it didn't when you pasted that error, though |
| 00:23.09 | bahadunn | Hentai: they were nice systems |
| 00:23.21 | bahadunn | Hentai: first thing I did with them was put debian on them :) |
| 00:23.21 | Fah | yes, and you explained what needed to happen |
| 00:23.24 | Fah | i'm working on it. |
| 00:23.36 | Hentai | bahadunn, recenrlty or while back? get rid of them? |
| 00:23.37 | Fah | once I can get apt-get -f install to clear out a stuck package |
| 00:23.45 | Fah | i can probably upgrade the kernel, reboot and resume |
| 00:23.47 | bahadunn | Hentai: couple years ago |
| 00:23.55 | bahadunn | Hentai: I donated them to my church |
| 00:24.24 | bahadunn | Hentai: the hardware was interesting though |
| 00:24.40 | Hentai | bahadunn, with debian on them to the church? interesting |
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| 00:24.52 | bahadunn | Hentai: yes |
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| 00:25.38 | Hentai | bahadunn, yeah I like messing with different archs but haven't gotten anything new recently |
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| 00:29.20 | bahadunn | Hentai: yeah that kind of hardware I have not had my hands on in a while |
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| 00:29.45 | bahadunn | Hentai: it has been mostly x86 amd64 for me in the last few years |
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| 00:30.29 | bahadunn | Hentai: had a few powerpc systems at one time or another as well |
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| 00:30.48 | bahadunn | Hentai: what I might do is get into running debian on ARM equipment |
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| 00:31.15 | bahadunn | Hentai: I have been meaning to play with some of that for a while but never got around to it so I might just have to get around to it |
| 00:31.23 | Hentai | bahadunn, anything you want to get rid of non x86? |
| 00:31.27 | xlotlu | whoa, testing got spammed with upgrades |
| 00:31.42 | Hentai | bahadunn, haha I'm just a pc tech windows mainly |
| 00:31.58 | bahadunn | Hentai: are you located in the US? |
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| 00:32.39 | Hydroxide | xlotlu: that happens just after a release becomes stable and a new testing is created :) |
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| 00:33.20 | Hentai | bahadunn, yeah i am |
| 00:33.26 | xlotlu | Hydroxide: i don't remember post-etch's testing to be _this_ aggressive :) |
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| 00:33.32 | baf_ | hi guys |
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| 00:33.59 | baf_ | why some libraries in repos are ending with 0? Ie: libtorrent-rasterbar0 ? |
| 00:34.03 | dogmagitron | hello #debian: can anyone tell me if running xmms2 consumes a lot of system resources on your system? it does on mine - 30% - it even beats firefox |
| 00:34.06 | bahadunn | Hentai: I have a few pieces of equipment I might be getting rid of soon but I am in the bahamas so shipping would not make sense |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | dogmagitron: the server or the client? |
| 00:34.30 | Hentai | bahadunn, np |
| 00:34.39 | bahadunn | Hentai: but I might be moving to the US so if that happens I might have some stuff in the future |
| 00:34.46 | Hentai | I understand bahadunn, ok |
| 00:34.56 | bahadunn | abrotman: I might move up to PA and become your neighbor |
| 00:35.06 | abrotman | lies! |
| 00:35.10 | dogmagitron | abrotman: i wouldnt know. but its a commandline app on my personal computer |
| 00:35.11 | bahadunn | abrotman: play my heavy metal real loud and stuff |
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| 00:35.43 | abrotman | dogmagitron: what are you trying to do with xmms2 ? |
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| 00:35.59 | dogmagitron | abrotman: playing mp3 on my pc |
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| 00:36.08 | abrotman | dogmagitron: that's all ? |
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| 00:36.21 | dogmagitron | abrotman: yes |
| 00:36.25 | abrotman | dogmagitron: do you use kde or gnome ? |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | or something else totoally ? |
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| 00:36.41 | dogmagitron | abrotman: icewm |
| 00:36.52 | dogmagitron | abrotman: it even beats firefox in cpu consumption |
| 00:36.54 | abrotman | dogmagitron: many people that used xmms1 now use audacious |
| 00:37.05 | abrotman | it's a gtk2 application .. |
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| 00:37.41 | xlotlu | dogmagitron: what's your cpu? |
| 00:37.48 | dogmagitron | abrotman: btw i am using 8.10 - yes i also have audacious but i am learning these new fangled cli apps |
| 00:37.54 | abrotman | dogmagitron: you should ask #ubuntu |
| 00:37.59 | bahadunn | 8.10 what? |
| 00:38.12 | dogmagitron | abrotman: they dont know |
| 00:38.15 | bahadunn | debian has no version number 8.10 |
| 00:38.19 | dogmagitron | xlotlu: celeron |
| 00:38.20 | bahadunn | hehe |
| 00:38.23 | abrotman | dogmagitron: how the hell would #debian know about ubuntu applications ? |
| 00:38.31 | bahadunn | good question |
| 00:38.31 | avu | dogmagitron, that's no reason to come here with your question |
| 00:38.49 | bahadunn | dogmagitron: ubuntu has many other support resources then IRC |
| 00:38.52 | dogmagitron | sighs |
| 00:39.02 | bahadunn | dogmagitron: we know it's ruff but come on |
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| 00:39.29 | dogmagitron | bahadunn: ok i git it |
| 00:39.32 | bahadunn | I mean what would happen if debian people went into #ubuntu to ask questions? |
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| 00:39.50 | dfighter | +b |
| 00:39.54 | dfighter | and a nice kick |
| 00:39.57 | dogmagitron | lol @ bahadunn: well the #ubuntu peeps would be confounded |
| 00:39.57 | dfighter | I guess |
| 00:40.11 | xlotlu | dogmagitron: if might be that the mp3 decoder used by that app is messed up, or that the ubuntu people made some mess.. |
| 00:40.22 | bahadunn | dfighter: maybe not a kick but rather a stern warning |
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| 00:40.38 | dogmagitron | xlotlu: thank you for the constructive reply |
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| 00:40.55 | Mikaze | uses mplayer for playing mp3's from the command line. Don't forget to run the codec download script. |
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| 00:41.10 | bahadunn | abrotman: if I show up in PA I guess I might have to take you for a guinness or something |
| 00:41.18 | dfighter | bahadunn, imagine someone calling M$ support asking for help to install Debian instead of winblows |
| 00:41.18 | dfighter | xD |
| 00:41.19 | xlotlu | i should go ask some iceweasel questions on #ubuntu just for kicks |
| 00:41.20 | Fah | hey, thanks for clarifying the etch->2.6 upgrade issue for me. Sorry I was a little wound up |
| 00:41.24 | dogmagitron | Mikaze: thanks for the idea |
| 00:41.27 | dfighter | I wonder what they'd say |
| 00:41.28 | bahadunn | dfighter: that would be cool |
| 00:41.44 | bahadunn | dfighter: we dont support debian |
| 00:41.46 | dfighter | well I take a unix instead of winblows for hosting anytime |
| 00:41.54 | bahadunn | yeah |
| 00:41.55 | Hentai | they would tell you they don't support debian |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | bahadunn: #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:42.30 | dogmagitron | ok #debian i am leaving now no need for some further hostilities - i got what i needed |
| 00:43.00 | dfighter | o.x |
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| 00:43.10 | ajcc | music player flame war? |
| 00:43.10 | abrotman | dogmagitron: thank you for understanding |
| 00:43.11 | dfighter | I haven't even taken out my whip |
| 00:43.15 | dfighter | what hostilities? |
| 00:43.35 | dogmagitron | thanks for the constructive replies - long live the spirit of freedom and open sources Cheers! |
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| 00:44.22 | Mikaze | wonders if there's a "Whites-Only" debian channel. |
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| 00:44.41 | dfighter | o.x |
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| 00:46.38 | Stanlin | Help, how to uninstall the changed made by splashy?? i have an horrible picture at the boot time |
| 00:46.50 | plsd | I'm trying to get Compiz to work on Debian 5.0 with Intel GMA 3100. I installed the packages libgl1-mesa-dri and compiz and then I restarted X and did "compiz --replace" which gives me this message http://pastebin.com/m598a6606 |
| 00:47.21 | Teddybear_ | Stanlin: uninstall splashy ... ?? |
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| 00:49.55 | RusBoy | guys i get "unable to open '/proc/net/route' to count entries " |
| 00:50.02 | RusBoy | is it internal wine error |
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| 00:50.05 | RusBoy | or some permission |
| 00:50.08 | RusBoy | what should i do ? |
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| 00:50.19 | Teddybear_ | plsd: what says the command "hostname" ? |
| 00:50.28 | donkdonk | someone is joking right? 5 dvd isos for lenny? wtf? |
| 00:50.35 | Stanlin | Teddybear_: thats the problem, ive uninstalled, but the settings are not rolled back |
| 00:50.40 | plsd | Teddybear_, debian |
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| 00:50.51 | craigevil | Stanlin: purge it |
| 00:51.14 | freetos00 | hdb is my first drive of windows NT (hdb)and my second drive is an linux drive (hdd), if I install debain on hdd and will I be able to boot to XP or will it not recognize it? |
| 00:51.41 | k-man | i'm getting this error when i do an apt-get update, W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:4D270D06F42584E6 |
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| 00:51.49 | k-man | how do i fix that? |
| 00:51.52 | donkdonk | why on earth does debian need 5 dvd's to install? |
| 00:52.00 | et | it doesn't. |
| 00:52.04 | ajcc | donkdonk: it's the package collection, it's quite large |
| 00:52.15 | bahadunn | dfighter: 18000+ packages? |
| 00:52.16 | Teddybear_ | donkdonk: because i have read about those things.. and setting the hostname should work... |
| 00:52.21 | bahadunn | dang it |
| 00:52.22 | et | donkdonk: the dvds are for computers with no internet connection. |
| 00:52.24 | bzed | donkdonk: all you need is the businesscard or netinst install cd |
| 00:52.26 | bahadunn | tab completion |
| 00:52.28 | Cope57 | donkdonk It is huge if you want every package available on a CD/DVD. You are better off downloading the netinstall CD... maybe 150 Mb then install what you need from the net. |
| 00:52.38 | donkdonk | ok |
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| 00:52.54 | freetos00 | will debian keep my XP boot option or will it erase it? |
| 00:52.56 | r0bert0 | hi all |
| 00:52.57 | donkdonk | sorry i never used debian before. i did not realized that is how it got released. |
| 00:52.57 | bahadunn | donkdonk: just get the netinst cd |
| 00:53.00 | bzed | donkdonk: you only need the dvds if you won;t have internet :) |
| 00:53.03 | Teddybear_ | plsd: because i have read about those things.. and setting the hostname should work... |
| 00:53.17 | Teddybear_ | donkdonk: sorry it was a mistake |
| 00:53.18 | ajcc | freetos00: it will be replaced with GRUB, which will make you a nice Windows XP alternative |
| 00:53.19 | Cope57 | Besides, who really needs 21 CD's anyway? Is it really 5 DVD's now? |
| 00:53.20 | bahadunn | donkdonk: whatever you do dont give up |
| 00:53.29 | plsd | Teddybear_, setting it to what? It seems strange that hostname has anything to do with compiz. |
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| 00:53.36 | Stanlin | craigevil: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove splashy which isn't installed. |
| 00:53.39 | bahadunn | donkdonk: take the time to learn about debian and I almost can guarantee you will really like it |
| 00:53.44 | bzed | Cope57: there're still people who don';t have internet and have old hardware |
| 00:53.55 | freetos00 | ajcc: so i will be able to boot xp after I install debain without editing anything? |
| 00:53.56 | bzed | Cope57: proucing cds is cheap these days |
| 00:54.04 | bahadunn | bzed: or secure environments |
| 00:54.07 | donkdonk | bahadunn: i am starting a new job in 2 weeks and i need to learn debian. all my experience is redhat/centos and ubuntu. |
| 00:54.17 | bahadunn | donkdonk: ah |
| 00:54.22 | bzed | bahadunn: well, a dvd is not less secure.. |
| 00:54.31 | bahadunn | donkdonk: well if you know linux you wont have much problems learning the debian bits |
| 00:54.33 | craigevil | Stanlin: apt-get purge splashy |
| 00:54.36 | ajcc | freetos00: yeah, if I recal correctly, the installation will ask you about it, but yes. if you do not destroy your windows xp installation, it will work together |
| 00:54.38 | plsd | donkdonk, if you know ubuntu you pretty much know debian. no big difference at all. |
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| 00:54.47 | donkdonk | plsd: ok, sweet |
| 00:54.48 | theholyduck | plsd, cept it doesnt suck |
| 00:54.48 | bahadunn | bzed: some secure environments do not allow network connections is what I meant |
| 00:54.53 | Teddybear_ | donkdonk: you only need one CD or DVD.... |
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| 00:55.00 | bzed | bahadunn: yeah :) |
| 00:55.07 | r0bert0 | freetos00: myabe you will have to modify some grub configs in order to make you windows xp appear as a runnable OS in the grub menu |
| 00:55.16 | theholyduck | plsd, ubuntu is basicly half debian stable half debian exprimental. all broken |
| 00:55.21 | theholyduck | wich really isnt the way to go about things |
| 00:55.26 | bzed | bahadunn: although we just carry a mirror on an usb disk with us in these cases :) |
| 00:55.32 | donkdonk | personally not a fan of ubuntu |
| 00:55.35 | bahadunn | bzed: also a solution |
| 00:55.43 | NotADJ | Ever see this Xen error? Error: I need 2048 KiB, but dom0_min_mem is 200704 and shrinking to 200704 KiB would leave only -52172 KiB free. |
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| 00:55.51 | bzed | r0bert0, freetos00: normally not, the installer should find the installed XP and add it to grub |
| 00:56.09 | plsd | theholyduck, that's a matter of taste :) IMO Ubuntu is pretty darn nice. |
| 00:56.22 | NotADJ | plsd: Winbloze pwnz0rz. |
| 00:56.23 | Teddybear_ | donkdonk: but debian have so mutch packages in the repository that you need 6 DVDs, when you want all Packages on DVD |
| 00:56.27 | NotADJ | Just kidding. |
| 00:56.34 | theholyduck | plsd, well half the packages you want are potentially broken and the other half is outdated |
| 00:56.40 | theholyduck | isnt really optimal |
| 00:56.44 | matthewpucc | hey guys. i'm having some problems with my new debian 5.0 VPS i'm setting up. I'm trying to load the fuse module (already installed from aptitude) and i get this error. # modprobe fuse |
| 00:56.45 | matthewpucc | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-92.1.18.el5.028stab060.2ent/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 00:56.55 | theholyduck | you get NEITHER stability NOR up to datedness |
| 00:57.00 | Teddybear_ | plsd ohh.... just a moment |
| 00:57.06 | theholyduck | most distros give you both. ubuntu is the only who doesnt give you any |
| 00:57.11 | theholyduck | err most distros give you 1 or the other |
| 00:57.17 | Vicfred | When I try to compile gnome-do i get this error, could someone help me? http://debian.pastebin.com/d69fa955e |
| 00:57.26 | freetos00 | cool, I want to switch my centos5.2 planetccrma/epel box over to debain5 , I guess the 18,000 apps will include the planetccrma stuff? |
| 00:57.31 | craigevil | why would you compile gnome? |
| 00:57.44 | ajcc | craigevil: performance? |
| 00:57.47 | plsd | theholyduck, I haven't had any problems with broken packages but I guess that depends on what you use. |
| 00:57.58 | Teddybear_ | plsd: check out if the hostname in your fact "debian" is in the /etc/hosts file |
| 00:58.17 | Vicfred | craigevil, me? |
| 00:58.19 | theholyduck | plsd, well as im saying experimental/unstable isnt NECESARILY broken |
| 00:58.22 | theholyduck | but they sometime are |
| 00:58.36 | theholyduck | but if you're going to be up to date. why not go all the way? |
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| 00:58.42 | craigevil | compiling does give that much of a performance boost |
| 00:58.43 | theholyduck | why make half your packages horribly outdated anyway? |
| 00:58.50 | bzed | freetos00: planetccrma ? |
| 00:58.54 | theholyduck | craigevil, he isnt compiling gnome |
| 00:58.56 | theholyduck | just some gnome app |
| 00:59.00 | Teddybear_ | plsd: it should be something like that "127.0.0.1 localhost debian" or something else |
| 00:59.03 | craigevil | theholyduck: thats what i do |
| 00:59.10 | ajcc | Vicfred: seems like you are missing some dependencies, have you runned apt-get build-dep gnome-do ? |
| 00:59.12 | renateitor | is lenny stable??? |
| 00:59.13 | freetos00 | bzed: yes, it''s an audio workstaiton |
| 00:59.14 | renateitor | :) |
| 00:59.18 | ewet | maybe not a debian specific question but anyways: is there a way to show the kde taskbar single-line no matter how high the bar is? |
| 00:59.29 | td123 | can I combine dvd's into 1 usb and it will just act as one giant repo? |
| 00:59.30 | plsd | Teddybear_, nope, it's just "127.0.0.1 localhost" |
| 00:59.42 | Teddybear_ | ok.... edit it! |
| 00:59.44 | craigevil | gnome-do Candidate: 0.4.2.0-1 |
| 00:59.45 | xlotlu | renateitor: you could say stable symlinks to lenny |
| 00:59.49 | plsd | Teddybear_, alright! |
| 00:59.54 | Teddybear_ | that should fix it |
| 00:59.54 | freetos00 | I'm not sure planetccrma offers .deb packages |
| 00:59.55 | bzed | freetos00: ah its a collection of software |
| 00:59.58 | theholyduck | plsd, the other problem with ubuntu really. is the fact that most of the developers doesnt seem to have the slightest clue how the damn thing works anymore :P |
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| 01:00.03 | theholyduck | and the userbase most DEFINITLY doesnt know |
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| 01:00.31 | freetos00 | ardour, rosegarden, muse, ctrljcack etc.. |
| 01:00.37 | aburch | ewet: Making the panel smaller might help. Or put it on the side ;) |
| 01:00.52 | Teddybear_ | beryl look at /etc/hostname and search in /etc/hosts to find and connect it.. |
| 01:00.53 | plsd | theholyduck, and a good thing with it is how many people have started using GNU/Linux thanks to it. |
| 01:01.05 | theholyduck | plsd, how is that a good thing? |
| 01:01.10 | theholyduck | ever since ubuntu came into existance |
| 01:01.13 | theholyduck | linux has gotten worse |
| 01:01.16 | theholyduck | ALL the linuxes |
| 01:01.16 | nightglider28 | Yay, runny Lenny. :D |
| 01:01.27 | theholyduck | xorg has become shittier than it was |
| 01:01.31 | gravity | blinks |
| 01:01.37 | gravity | theholyduck: What's wrong with xorg? |
| 01:01.39 | theholyduck | wich is quite an archivement when you consider how broken it was :P |
| 01:01.51 | ajcc | I really think Linux has become a lot better since "before" |
| 01:01.53 | gravity | Or rather, how has it gotten worse? I know plenty of what's wrong. |
| 01:02.00 | theholyduck | gravity, its a broken implementation of a broken design ment to be used on servers 30 years ago |
| 01:02.00 | theholyduck | :P |
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| 01:02.04 | bahadunn | theholyduck: you blame all this on ubuntu? |
| 01:02.06 | bzed | freetos00: I hope so :) if there's anything missing, please let me know, I'm interested in music stuff, too, but I'm missing spare time to spend on it |
| 01:02.10 | theholyduck | bahadunn, yes :P |
| 01:02.14 | gravity | theholyduck: How is it worse than it was in the xf86 days? |
| 01:02.28 | bahadunn | is trolling a sport? |
| 01:02.31 | theholyduck | they made the "linux should be usable by everyone" idea |
| 01:02.34 | ewet | aburch: but are no options. sometimes i really don't get it why this is overly configurable in kde and this is not... thank you anyways ;-) |
| 01:02.34 | theholyduck | fester |
| 01:02.41 | theholyduck | thus we know have the freedesktop idiots |
| 01:02.43 | gravity | theholyduck: You're full of shit. You don't know what you're talking about. |
| 01:02.46 | theholyduck | xorg thinkign they actually matter :P |
| 01:02.48 | plsd | theholyduck, well again, that's a matter of opinion, and I disagree. I think the situation is better now than it was before. And the more people who use GNU/Linux the better hardware support we get, more sites support it and so on. I think the more people who use free software the better |
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| 01:02.49 | freetos00 | bzed: is there a comprhensive list of software included in debian 5? |
| 01:02.50 | theholyduck | etc :P |
| 01:02.51 | Hentai | bahadunn, looks like my stuff isn't booting correctly heh, the computer still works |
| 01:03.01 | theholyduck | plsd, im not saying the hardware support isnt bettr |
| 01:03.06 | theholyduck | im just saying as a WHOLE |
| 01:03.08 | theholyduck | linux is worse |
| 01:03.16 | theholyduck | the idea of userfriendlyness only ruin things |
| 01:03.17 | asg | freetos00: apt-cache search . |
| 01:03.18 | ajcc | theholyduck: since when? |
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| 01:03.24 | plsd | theholyduck, and I'm saying I disagree :) |
| 01:03.29 | bahadunn | Hentai: any errors? |
| 01:03.32 | theholyduck | ajcc, well good example. |
| 01:03.38 | theholyduck | i got a bit of a nonstandard graphics card and motherboard |
| 01:03.40 | asg | freetos00: presuming you already have it installed |
| 01:03.44 | gravity | theholyduck: You have absolutely no specifics. You have a general idea. If you've got something specific then say it, otherwise stop trolling. |
| 01:03.45 | theholyduck | now 4 years ago |
| 01:03.53 | theholyduck | xorg couldnt configure itself |
| 01:03.53 | bzed | freetos00: http://packages.debian.org |
| 01:04.00 | freetos00 | asg: i'm downloading the netinstall now |
| 01:04.04 | theholyduck | so distros did fancy detection and configuring FOR it |
| 01:04.06 | theholyduck | and that worked |
| 01:04.12 | nightglider28 | !nvidia |
| 01:04.12 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 01:04.13 | abrotman | theholyduck: less enter key |
| 01:04.13 | theholyduck | now. the exact same hardware + xorg "autodetection" |
| 01:04.24 | theholyduck | and guess what. i have to manually edit xorg to get graphics |
| 01:04.30 | asg | freetos00: the major specifics can be found in the release notes available at www.debian.org |
| 01:04.30 | ewet | aburch: s/but/both/ |
| 01:04.31 | theholyduck | since they pick the wrong graphics driver. |
| 01:04.31 | bzed | !tell theholyduck about enter |
| 01:04.43 | gravity | theholyduck: What driver? |
| 01:04.49 | plsd | theholyduck, it certainly didnt work for me when I had to edit a bunch of stuff in xorg.conf which wasn't really that much fun to be honest. Now I don't even have to open xorg.conf to see what in it. |
| 01:04.51 | gravity | theholyduck: Also, what distro and what graphics card? |
| 01:04.59 | theholyduck | gravity, plain old nvidia card 7900gtx |
| 01:04.59 | NotADJ | Debian needs a new website. |
| 01:05.03 | sepult | how do i get the recommends installed too with apt-get ? |
| 01:05.06 | NotADJ | When was Lenny released?! |
| 01:05.06 | nightglider28 | !nvidia-prebuilt |
| 01:05.08 | gravity | theholyduck: It didn't pick nv? |
| 01:05.09 | theholyduck | 3 years ago i guess |
| 01:05.15 | asg | NotADJ: yesterday |
| 01:05.17 | Hentai | bahadunn, yeah doesn't seem to find the boot part of the cd, like it sees its there but I guess it can't find where to boot from |
| 01:05.18 | NotADJ | :O |
| 01:05.19 | theholyduck | gravity, it picked nv allright. but i get hz errors |
| 01:05.26 | NotADJ | missed it, and the epoch?! |
| 01:05.28 | Hentai | bahadunn, I might try a older version |
| 01:05.29 | NotADJ | cries. |
| 01:05.29 | gravity | theholyduck: So... how did it pick the wrong card? |
| 01:05.32 | Vicfred | ajcc, yes it still does not work |
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| 01:05.37 | gravity | theholyduck: Or rather, driver? What driver did you want? |
| 01:05.42 | Caelum | sepult: there's this thingy called "wajig" I think it does that |
| 01:05.44 | Teddybear_ | freetos00: e http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 01:05.47 | theholyduck | gravity, well i got a new ati card in another box. where xorg picks ati that doesnt work. |
| 01:05.51 | theholyduck | instead of radeonhd :P |
| 01:05.51 | bahadunn | Hentai: is this lenny you are trying? |
| 01:05.52 | asg | NotADJ: you always you date(1) to set the time back and enjoy the fun for yourself |
| 01:05.56 | asg | *use |
| 01:06.03 | Hentai | bahadunn, yep 5.0 |
| 01:06.07 | theholyduck | gravity, i wanted nv. but i wanted it to DISPLAY THINGS aswell |
| 01:06.13 | gravity | theholyduck: These aren't autodetection bugs. They're *driver* bugs |
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| 01:06.25 | gravity | theholyduck: These have absolutely nothing to do with user friendliness |
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| 01:06.34 | bahadunn | Hentai: did the guys on oftc give any pointers? |
| 01:06.44 | theholyduck | gravity, err back in the day when distros didnt trust xorg to autoconfigure the graphics. everything worked fine |
| 01:06.58 | Hentai | bahadunn, their not saying, no talk, waitting |
| 01:07.00 | theholyduck | the distro automatically created you a working xorg.conf with the right settings for everything |
| 01:07.01 | ajcc | Vicfred: hmm, somethings broken... did you get the source with apt-get? apt-get source gnome-do, it will get you some debian patches too |
| 01:07.03 | gravity | theholyduck: Because they basically wrote out a xorg.conf for you. Now you get to do it yourself. How's that for user friendly? |
| 01:07.17 | theholyduck | gravity, well i thought userfriendlyness ment i didnt have to do it myself :D |
| 01:07.33 | Vicfred | ajcc, i got it with bzr, i'll try with apt-get source |
| 01:07.34 | freetos00 | Teddybear_: thank you |
| 01:07.38 | theholyduck | linux has gotten LESS userfriendly in my book anyway |
| 01:07.42 | gravity | theholyduck: You've got your own bullshit standards. I'm sorry you ran in to bugs, but blaming Ubuntu only shows your own ignorance |
| 01:07.56 | gravity | theholyduck: Ubuntu had *nothing* to do with any of what you're complaining about |
| 01:07.57 | theholyduck | gravity, well i blame ubuntu for making userfriendly the new quality |
| 01:08.06 | nightglider28 | Ok, this isn't really a problem, more of a curiousity... |
| 01:08.08 | plsd | I used to have an ATI card back when you had to edit xorg.conf. It totally sucked. And it stopped me from using GNU/Linux until I bought a new computer with Intel graphics. |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | theholyduck: that's silly .. they weren't the first |
| 01:08.20 | theholyduck | abrotman, true |
| 01:08.25 | theholyduck | but they are the only ones who ever got any traction |
| 01:08.30 | theholyduck | and influence |
| 01:08.34 | Caelum | I use fglrx, I had to edit the fuck out of my xorg.conf to get anything to work |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | not true either .. but you can believe whatever you'd like |
| 01:08.45 | bzed | Caelum: blame ati. |
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| 01:08.51 | plsd | so just use another distro. I don't see how more options can be a bad thing. |
| 01:08.53 | asg | abrotman: alt.binaries.scientology |
| 01:08.57 | gravity | theholyduck: Did you report your bugs, btw? |
| 01:08.58 | Caelum | bzed: I'm not blaming anyone, just an observation :) |
| 01:09.06 | theholyduck | gravity, im not going to validate their cause |
| 01:09.12 | theholyduck | i want xorg gone and dead |
| 01:09.13 | gravity | theholyduck: wtf |
| 01:09.13 | abrotman | asg: oh .. they tried to recruit me .. |
| 01:09.16 | plsd | I don't like KDE but I think it's great that it's there for those who don't like Gnome. |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | theholyduck: LESS ENTER |
| 01:09.25 | asg | abrotman: it happens, to be sure |
| 01:09.26 | bahadunn | Hentai: I seem to recall problems like that but I cannot think what I did to get around it |
| 01:09.34 | sepult | i get almost 500 fps with fgl_glxgears here.... |
| 01:09.39 | td123 | theholyduck: "linux has gotten LESS userfriendly in my book anyway" may I ask the title of the book? does it have the words like windows or mac on it? |
| 01:09.42 | nightglider28 | I used the exact line (copy/pasted) that dpkg gave me to install the nvidia driver with nvidia pre-built. However, there is no nvidia-kernel/settings in Stable, apparently. |
| 01:09.45 | gravity | theholyduck: I hope you've started on a replacement. You can probably dig up the berlin sources somewhere. |
| 01:09.46 | bahadunn | Hentai: you trying to boot from ilo right? |
| 01:09.56 | abrotman | hands gravity Fresco |
| 01:09.59 | plsd | Teddybear_, the hosts thing didn't work. Same error |
| 01:10.02 | Hentai | bahadunn, ilo? |
| 01:10.08 | bahadunn | Hentai: ok> prompt? |
| 01:10.14 | theholyduck | gravity, well i just defiently sit in my corner using flux, xorg and urxvt and whine about how life was better back in the olden days |
| 01:10.22 | Hentai | bahadunn, yeah that prompt |
| 01:10.24 | gravity | lazy fuck |
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| 01:10.31 | theholyduck | gravity, thats me allright. :D |
| 01:10.37 | bahadunn | Hentai: and you do something like boot cdrom or something right? |
| 01:10.41 | asg | theholyduck: define olden days |
| 01:10.48 | asg | if you please |
| 01:10.54 | td123 | asg: last year :P |
| 01:10.55 | theholyduck | asg, early 2000's :P |
| 01:11.00 | asg | hahaha |
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| 01:11.42 | Hentai | yep bahadunn but no go, trying different cd drives |
| 01:11.58 | bahadunn | Hentai: tell me about the cd drive you are using |
| 01:11.58 | Teddybear_ | plsd: mhhhh |
| 01:12.00 | theholyduck | i have a debian related question actually. |
| 01:12.11 | asg | feel free to ask it |
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| 01:12.24 | theholyduck | why doesnt unstable/Exprimental ship svns of ffmpeg, mplayer and x264? |
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| 01:12.30 | theholyduck | as in week old at most ? |
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| 01:12.42 | up365 | Ok a very smooth non-glitch dist-upgrade from etch to lenny, thanks to all |
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| 01:13.08 | Vicfred | ajcc, the apt-get source version is 0.4.2, im compiling it from source cause i want the version 0.8 |
| 01:13.15 | asg | theholyduck: because even experimental has standards |
| 01:13.28 | theholyduck | asg, well yes. but when the SVNS are more stable and more usable than the releases? |
| 01:13.31 | Hentai | pionner dvd drive bahadunn |
| 01:13.35 | theholyduck | mplayer doesnt DO releases for example. |
| 01:13.39 | Teddybear_ | theholyduck: I think the idea what xorg plans isn't wrong..... |
| 01:13.42 | bahadunn | Hentai: what type of interface? |
| 01:13.55 | ajcc | Vicfred: oh, do you use the stable or unstable apt source? 0.4.2 seems very old |
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| 01:13.57 | Hentai | IDE, model DVD-120S |
| 01:14.00 | Hentai | bahadunn, ^ |
| 01:14.03 | bahadunn | hhmmm |
| 01:14.10 | asg | theholyduck: no, the daily builds are not stable generally. When a release occurs, *then* it becomes a candidate, maybe, to be packaged. |
| 01:14.14 | plsd | When i type "aptitude install unra" why doesn't it autocomplete to "unrar-free"? |
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| 01:14.21 | theholyduck | asg well yes, but mplayer doesnt HAVE releases |
| 01:14.24 | ajcc | Vicfred: never mind, was the same version in unstable |
| 01:14.27 | Stanlin | craigevil: Package splashy is not installed, so not removed |
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| 01:14.32 | theholyduck | anything but svn is unsupported and buggy |
| 01:14.35 | Vicfred | ajcc, i switched to unstable this morning but i tried on lenny first |
| 01:14.39 | gravity | Or maybe the maintainers have better things to do than upload weekly svn pulls to experimental where almost no one will use them? |
| 01:14.41 | bahadunn | Hentai: I recall having to use a drive connected directly to the IDE which you have. I also recall certain drives not working so you are right to try another drive |
| 01:14.43 | abrotman | maybe mplayer should write better software |
| 01:14.50 | asg | theholyduck: then grab them yourself it it is that important to you ... all the build tools are available |
| 01:14.58 | theholyduck | asg, well yes i build my own |
| 01:14.59 | asg | *if |
| 01:15.03 | bahadunn | Hentai: sparc hardware doesnt like booting off certain cdrom drives if I remember correctly |
| 01:15.18 | Hentai | bahadunn, checking the installation faq on sparc debian 5.0 |
| 01:15.19 | theholyduck | but like. doing mplayer support is hell because only like 2 distros package usable versions of the player |
| 01:15.25 | theholyduck | same goes for x264 and ffmpeg |
| 01:15.25 | bahadunn | Hentai: good idea |
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| 01:15.41 | ardya | hi folks....with lenny now stable, if I want to stay in testing, do I just change all instances of lenny in sources.list to squeeze, then apt-get update? |
| 01:15.55 | bahadunn | ardya: correct |
| 01:16.05 | theholyduck | abrotman, and writing a stable mediaplayer is pretty much impossible anyway. so you might as well just stick to using svns |
| 01:16.11 | ajcc | Vicfred: well, if the tar-ball from do.davebsd.com doesn't work, I really don't know what's wrong :( |
| 01:16.14 | ardya | and line that already say testing are fine as is? |
| 01:16.25 | theholyduck | there is a reason is better performing. and more featured than any other mediaplayer on linux .and thats because they dont do releases |
| 01:16.26 | bahadunn | ardya: correct |
| 01:16.47 | nsadmin | ardya do you want lenny? or do you want squzee |
| 01:16.48 | theholyduck | *it's |
| 01:16.56 | abrotman | theholyduck: stable or featureful ? |
| 01:16.57 | ardya | thank you kindly....any gotchas with a new testing tree after a new stable release? |
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| 01:17.10 | Hentai | bahadunn, found something, got to test |
| 01:17.15 | ardya | nsadmin: I have been using testing for a year or more |
| 01:17.24 | gravity | ardya: testing security isn't supported just yet. It won't be for a few weeks. |
| 01:17.27 | bahadunn | Hentai: okay. Let me know how it goes |
| 01:17.28 | theholyduck | abrotman, well encoder and decoder technology is constantly improving |
| 01:17.41 | abrotman | theholyduck: stop ducking the question .. |
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| 01:17.54 | nsadmin | so you've been using lenny... want to keep doing that? or go to the next testing? |
| 01:17.56 | theholyduck | abrotman, mplayer is plenty stable :P |
| 01:17.57 | asg | releases abrotman at 0.9.6.7.rc1-stablish-wtf-that-means |
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| 01:18.13 | Hentai | got it going bahadunn |
| 01:18.31 | abrotman | theholyduck: so .. not buggy .. you're contradicting yourself |
| 01:18.40 | bahadunn | nsadmin: I got the impression ardya was using lenny when it was testing and now that it is stable they want to use the new testing squeeze |
| 01:18.44 | theholyduck | abrotman, well mplayer "stable"is buggy |
| 01:18.46 | bahadunn | Hentai: what did you do? |
| 01:18.47 | theholyduck | mplayer "Unstable" isnt |
| 01:18.48 | dunlap | the channel title/desc needs updated |
| 01:19.02 | Hentai | bahadunn, turns out by default it seems the cd drive has to be on secondary master |
| 01:19.05 | bahadunn | mplayer is for loosers |
| 01:19.06 | ardya | gravity: yeah, read that on the site |
| 01:19.07 | nightglider28 | Stable is a perspective. >.> |
| 01:19.07 | asg | abrotman: remember, not having a release means not tagging your code in CVS/SVN/GIT |
| 01:19.13 | bahadunn | vlc is for winners |
| 01:19.17 | theholyduck | bahadunn, err. |
| 01:19.19 | Hentai | bahadunn, so I switched it over to secondary master and did probe-ide to check then boot cdrom |
| 01:19.25 | Teddybear_ | mplayer is one of the best mediaplayer ever |
| 01:19.30 | ardya | well thanks for the quick responses folks, you continue to give freenode a great name and place to ask questions |
| 01:19.32 | theholyduck | how can a player that performes worse. have a rubbish ui and have a BUTTLOAD of weird bugs |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | asg: it also means not owning up to the bugs :) |
| 01:19.35 | bahadunn | Hentai: cool |
| 01:19.39 | bahadunn | Hentai: glad you got it going |
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| 01:19.43 | Hentai | now I got a bigger problem |
| 01:19.44 | Vicfred | ajcc, the tar-ball worked thank you |
| 01:19.47 | theholyduck | be better than a player that performes well and ahs the best userinterface deviced. the keyboard? |
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| 01:19.53 | asg | abrotman: bugs happen and fixes can be backported |
| 01:19.53 | bahadunn | Hentai: oh |
| 01:19.59 | Stanlin | craigevil: hello |
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| 01:20.03 | nsadmin | bahadunn: so if someone was using mplayer but was making 200k/month, would he be a loser? |
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| 01:20.28 | Hentai | bahadunn, I don't have a ide cable with all 40 pins \ 40 wire |
| 01:20.31 | asg | Teddybear_: sad that it doesn't come with grammer checking |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | asg: but it's easier for them to say "you're not supported because you're not running svn" |
| 01:20.45 | bahadunn | nsadmin: well since money does not define loosers from winners you make the call |
| 01:20.49 | ajcc | Vicfred: yay! :) |
| 01:20.56 | theholyduck | abrotman, well its easier for the devs |
| 01:21.00 | bahadunn | nsadmin: and I was joking so maybe you should move on with your life now? |
| 01:21.02 | theholyduck | and any release they made would quickly be way outdated |
| 01:21.09 | ajcc | Vicfred: bzr most be broken then |
| 01:21.23 | theholyduck | and releasing a new mplayer every 2 week is alot of pain when you could just make everyone compile from svn |
| 01:21.25 | nightglider28 | !nvidia |
| 01:21.25 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 01:21.27 | nsadmin | bahadunn: well since software choice does not define losers from winners you make the call |
| 01:21.34 | asg | abrotman: but git is so much better |
| 01:21.39 | bahadunn | nsadmin: I have no problem with that |
| 01:21.40 | abrotman | theholyduck: right .. not owning up to crappy code |
| 01:21.47 | theholyduck | abrotman, err. what crappy code? |
| 01:21.47 | bahadunn | abrotman: git is better |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | asg: well .. whatever |
| 01:21.54 | abrotman | whichever |
| 01:22.02 | nsadmin | what is git better than and why? |
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| 01:22.10 | theholyduck | they all admit rc2 is a outdated crappilly written piece of shit. |
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| 01:22.18 | theholyduck | but any release they make now. is going to have to be made again in 2 weeks |
| 01:22.22 | theholyduck | and again 2 weeks later. |
| 01:22.22 | theholyduck | etc |
| 01:22.24 | bahadunn | nsadmin: git is better then other source code revision control systems |
| 01:22.27 | spook_ | nsadmin: http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ |
| 01:22.35 | bahadunn | nsadmin: the reasons are too numerous to count |
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| 01:22.43 | nsadmin | (please -someone- think before speaking) |
| 01:22.57 | bahadunn | nsadmin: you can learn about git and what makes it so nice on their website |
| 01:23.12 | asg | bahadunn: did you think before speaking? |
| 01:23.16 | bahadunn | asg: yes |
| 01:23.19 | bahadunn | asg: why? |
| 01:23.21 | nsadmin | what's it based on? |
| 01:23.33 | asg | bahadunn: 20:22 < nsadmin> (please -someone- think before speaking) |
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| 01:23.40 | gravity | I wouldn't say it's so much better than mercurial |
| 01:23.45 | nsadmin | is it more like cvs or more like arch? |
| 01:23.52 | bahadunn | I like git better then mercurial |
| 01:23.57 | bahadunn | but mercurial is nice too |
| 01:23.58 | roe | can someone explain the difference between the roundcube package in sid vs experimental? |
| 01:24.02 | bahadunn | I just prefer git |
| 01:24.03 | gravity | nsadmin: More like arch, although with significantly less pain |
| 01:24.10 | gravity | shudders to remember arch |
| 01:24.13 | roe | isn't experimental usually upstream of sid? |
| 01:24.26 | nsadmin | probably |
| 01:24.26 | bahadunn | both mercurial and git are miles ahead of cvs/svn |
| 01:24.27 | asg | bahadunn: the nice thing is you a) can have a preference and b) there are choices ... bravo |
| 01:24.29 | nsadmin | on the averabe |
| 01:24.37 | bahadunn | asg: indeed |
| 01:24.45 | nsadmin | and the gyre and gimbal of the wabe |
| 01:25.09 | asg | !jabberwockysmite nsadmin |
| 01:25.21 | \amethyst | roe: not necessarily---many packages go straight to sid, esepecially if the maintainer doesn't think the upgrade is too likely to cause breakage or compatibility problems |
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| 01:25.59 | Teddybear_ | roe: experimental is: 0.2~alpha-4 ; sid ist 0.2~stable-1.... why you need an answer? |
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| 01:26.17 | nsadmin | oh knoe! the toes that shun! |
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| 01:26.57 | eeg3_ | Why is debian's aide so significantly modified? |
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| 01:27.13 | roe | Teddybear_, yes, and the confusion is that .2-alpha seems to be older than .2-stable but if \amethyst is correct then it explains it |
| 01:27.16 | bahadunn | eeg3_: to fit better into the debian system I would gather |
| 01:27.17 | nsadmin | what;s a debian's aide? |
| 01:27.31 | bahadunn | eeg3: you should check out rkhunter also |
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| 01:27.41 | eeg3 | Well, there are so many changes that aren't really _needed_ |
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| 01:27.42 | bahadunn | nsadmin: it is a HIDS |
| 01:27.48 | asg | eeg3: such as? |
| 01:27.56 | MarkJones | Guys I realy coud use some advice.Each time I burn a CD/DVD in Etch, actually just tried burning Lenny DVD1, and K3B says it burned just fine, but when I run a md5sum on the /dev/cdrom it gives a different sum than the actuall ISO I got using Jigdo.Anyone know if I should just trust K3B or is there a better way other than md5sum to verify a burn? |
| 01:27.59 | nsadmin | hid, human interface device? |
| 01:28.17 | eeg3 | I just don't like having to maintain such a different program than on other systems. :\ |
| 01:28.18 | bahadunn | nsadmin: host intrusion detection system |
| 01:28.25 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 01:28.27 | eeg3 | Documentation could be better |
| 01:28.53 | MarkJones | are the other simaler things better like sha1 etc that I have seen? |
| 01:28.57 | bahadunn | eeg3: you should consider rkhunter |
| 01:28.58 | Stanlin | what is the last version of gimp? |
| 01:29.07 | asg | eeg3: the documentation will be from upstream in /usr/share/doc/<pkg>. Additional documentation may exist related to Debian. |
| 01:29.12 | eeg3 | bahadunn: I use chkrootkit |
| 01:29.14 | nsadmin | shoujldn't that be on gimp.org? |
| 01:29.25 | bahadunn | eeg3: okay |
| 01:29.32 | nsadmin | Stanlin: have you yet learned scheme and applied it to gimp? |
| 01:29.32 | Teddybear__ | gimp 2.6 |
| 01:29.40 | eeg3 | AIDE and chkrootkit aren't really the same :) |
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| 01:29.57 | bahadunn | eeg3: we know |
| 01:30.14 | eeg3 | Then why would you suggest something totally different? |
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| 01:30.22 | Teddybear__ | or better gimp2.6.5 |
| 01:30.37 | Wyzard | MarkJones: I've noticed that when read a DVD-RW to an image file, reading doesn't stop at the end of what's currently burned on the disc, but continues reading old data from previous burns, as if the DVD doesn't have a boundary telling the drive where to stop reading |
| 01:30.44 | bahadunn | eeg3: rkhunter keeps track of files as AIDE does as well as checking other things like root kits and other security vulns |
| 01:30.50 | newsense_ | i use tripwire with rkhunter |
| 01:30.55 | bahadunn | eeg3: open ports, daemon security etc... |
| 01:30.58 | Wyzard | MarkJones: If your drive is doing something similar, that'd cause an md5sum mismatch even if the data you burned is OK |
| 01:31.09 | bahadunn | eeg3: that is why I would suggest it in relation to AIDE or ckrootkit |
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| 01:31.53 | newsense_ | yeah rkhunter is nice, has many tests |
| 01:32.08 | MarkJones | Ok so only option is to just trust that K3B verified it correctly then? If so then thats ok with me, Im just asking. |
| 01:32.40 | bahadunn | newsense_: definately |
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| 01:32.55 | newsense_ | rkhunter+tripwire+snort+chkrootkit+tiger+checksecurity |
| 01:33.06 | newsense_ | thats what i use and more :) |
| 01:33.20 | \amethyst | MarkJones: if you know the size of the image |
| 01:33.23 | kj4 | newsense_: what type of systems do you administer? |
| 01:33.29 | bahadunn | newsense_: many of those are redundant |
| 01:33.37 | newsense_ | kj4: just my personal lan and family members |
| 01:33.40 | newsense_ | hehe |
| 01:33.44 | \amethyst | MarkJones: you could do head -c <number of bytes> /dev/cdrom | md5sum |
| 01:33.49 | oOarthurOo | Has the freeze been lifted on sid now... stuff rushing into it finally? |
| 01:33.51 | kj4 | newsense_: nice |
| 01:34.07 | bahadunn | newsense_: you should add logcheck to your list |
| 01:34.14 | newsense_ | i got it too |
| 01:34.21 | bahadunn | newsense_: sweet |
| 01:34.25 | eeg3 | I guess the redundancy he's using isn't too bad. If the intruder only changes one of the databases, he has fail-safes. |
| 01:34.36 | MarkJones | looks like that pipes the exact size (if you know it) to md5sum checker, that right? |
| 01:34.37 | newsense_ | it took mye a while to get my regexs to work though |
| 01:34.42 | bahadunn | eeg3: yeah but management would drive me nuts |
| 01:34.43 | \amethyst | MarkJones: yup |
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| 01:34.56 | Teddybear__ | MarkJones: when the iso file ist ok.. then you can trust if your hardware is ok *g* |
| 01:34.57 | newsense_ | i have tripwire db on a read only sd card too |
| 01:35.05 | eeg3 | bahadunn: Yeah that could be annoying. :) |
| 01:35.19 | MarkJones | cool Ill check out that head command in more detail.Thank you very much. |
| 01:35.19 | bahadunn | newsense_: you use snort by itself or with the web interface? |
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| 01:35.49 | newsense_ | the emails i get in the morning from all my apps keeps me busy for 20 minutes per box |
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| 01:35.55 | newsense_ | bahadunn: by itself |
| 01:36.01 | bahadunn | newsense_: you should check into acid for snort |
| 01:36.07 | maqr | didn't there used to be a non-us.debian.org? |
| 01:36.16 | newsense_ | bahadunn: i dont care for web interfaces too much |
| 01:36.20 | nsadmin | think so |
| 01:36.21 | asg | maqr: long ago ... not needed now |
| 01:36.43 | maqr | oh, ok |
| 01:36.48 | maqr | it's nxdomain now, btw |
| 01:37.04 | K_Dallas | debian-500-amd64-DVD-1.iso is lenny, right? |
| 01:37.29 | bahadunn | newsense_: makes viewing snort alerts much better |
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| 01:37.33 | nsadmin | is all of build-essential on one cd? |
| 01:37.36 | newsense_ | i get daily email reports |
| 01:37.59 | maqr | asg: what is it supposed to be replaced with? |
| 01:38.19 | abrotman | K_Dallas: yes |
| 01:38.31 | deegozzz | I am trying to move to aptitude from apt-get. What is the aptitude equivalent of apt-get upgrade --purge ? |
| 01:38.35 | K_Dallas | abrotman, thanks. I missed the launch yesterday :) |
| 01:38.46 | asg | maqr: the crypto that non-us was used for is now in main since patents and export restrictions have expired |
| 01:38.52 | abrotman | you didn't miss much |
| 01:39.11 | K_Dallas | abrotman, :) |
| 01:39.24 | nsadmin | I must have the whole party in my scroolbach |
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| 01:39.54 | deegozzz | And what is the aptitude equivalent of apt-get .. -u ? |
| 01:40.15 | deegozzz | (man page doesn't list either of these options) |
| 01:40.23 | nsadmin | man apt-get or man aptitude or read up... |
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| 01:40.44 | nsadmin | or run the interface and find it |
| 01:40.55 | td123 | you missed one of the servers crashing, causing a delay |
| 01:40.59 | Dewio | deegozzz: do an upgrade dry-run, or start a real upgrade and answer 'no' when it asks to continue |
| 01:41.15 | deegozzz | I did, see above. no --purge .. note: I am not asking to purge a pkg, but to purge if it removes during an upgrade... |
| 01:41.29 | Dewio | deegozzz: in fact even 'aptitude install' will list un-upgraded packages |
| 01:41.42 | deegozzz | huh? |
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| 01:42.04 | nsadmin | I'm being a bit short becasue I'm now expecting about a thousand little questions asked one at a time at about the rate of 2/minute that could be answered by a nonhuman |
| 01:42.23 | maqr | asg: that explains that, ty :) |
| 01:42.34 | asg | maqr: you're welcome |
| 01:43.11 | K_Dallas | Q: I have never used the installer which runs from inside Windows. Is it safe and does it the same job as running it from boot up? Thanks |
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| 01:43.30 | Hentai | bahadunn, ok modded a cable to work stabbed myself twice in the process |
| 01:43.31 | td123 | can't wait for 2 more years until kde 4 is in stable !!! :) |
| 01:44.24 | maqr | asg: oh wait, what about things like vnc4server? it doesn't seem to be in the main, but adding another non-us mirror makes it available |
| 01:44.44 | nsadmin | does your process hurt now? |
| 01:44.55 | asg | judd versions vnc4server |
| 01:44.56 | judd | asg: vnc4server -- etch: 4.1.1+X4.3.0-21 etch-security: 4.1.1+X4.3.0-21+etch1 lenny: 4.1.1+X4.3.0-31 sid: 4.1.1+X4.3.0-31 |
| 01:46.14 | asg | maqr: that doesn't seem to require non-us. Maybe contrib or non-free but definitely not non-us. Perhaps your sources are incorrect. |
| 01:46.26 | maqr | thanks, i'll double check |
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| 01:52.16 | Toad | hey all.. anyone run debian in a VM on a MacBook? |
| 01:52.20 | plsd | I'm trying to get Compiz to work on Debian 5.0 with Intel GMA 3100. I installed the packages libgl1-mesa-dri and compiz and then I restarted X and did "compiz --replace" which gives me this message http://pastebin.com/m598a6606 |
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| 01:52.44 | Toad | Trying to decide whether to get a Macbook or a PC laptop for my next machine, but running Linux is important |
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| 01:53.18 | abrotman | why run in a vm? |
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| 01:54.29 | MarkJones | Thank You to the person that told me how to check my CD images using head -c (number of bytes) /dev/cdrom | md5sum it worked perfectly! The syntax is easy to remeber I just I hope I remeber the name of the head command. Seems liek an odd name for it.hehe |
| 01:54.51 | shermunn | Is there a better way to connect to my ISP with DSL? Right now, I am using a 2-step process. First I use Network Admin to activate the Ethernet connection. Then, through konsole, I issue the command 'pon dsl-provider'. |
| 01:55.13 | elik | Toad, I wanted to go for MacBook too cause you can run OS X, Linux and Windows on it |
| 01:55.24 | elik | tripple boot man, can you imagine the possibilities!!! |
| 01:55.31 | Hydroxide | Toad: hi there :) |
| 01:55.36 | Toad | abrotman: because if I'm not running in a VM, makes more sense to go for the cheaper box |
| 01:55.40 | Toad | hey Hydroxide, how goes it? |
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| 01:56.01 | Hydroxide | it goes well, thanks. I just got a Lenovo ThinkPad X61 Tablet and it runs Debian nicely |
| 01:56.02 | abrotman | Toad: i've heard of people running it in .. Parallels i think |
| 01:56.16 | elik | Toad, if you don't care about Mac OS X.. just go for the PC, it's less expensive |
| 01:56.45 | Toad | elik: well, I like OSX, but I've been fulltime debian for the last year or so |
| 01:56.47 | nsadmin | shermunn: do you have a spare cheap box you can put two eths in? |
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| 01:56.58 | Hydroxide | Toad: wow, what prompted that change? |
| 01:57.28 | Toad | Hydroxide: my old G4 tower finally bit the dust so I built a core 2 quad desktop for home |
| 01:57.30 | elik | Toad, Mac OS X has a very unix like kernel, and runs an X server side to side with their graphical environment |
| 01:57.40 | shermunn | nsadmin: no, but what are you driving at? use another box just to be able to connect to an ISP? |
| 01:57.46 | elik | Toad, there is a package manager for linux app and all |
| 01:57.47 | Toad | elik: yea, I used OSX for 4-5 years |
| 01:58.03 | nsadmin | yes, and do nat so that you then have a lan |
| 01:58.04 | Toad | it's nice, but I realized eventually that I was running X11.app in rooted mode with fvwm more than I was actually using it like a mac ;) |
| 01:58.15 | Hydroxide | haha |
| 01:58.19 | kurtz | shermunn: write a startup script so it automatically dials for you |
| 01:58.22 | elik | lol |
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| 01:59.02 | Toad | so basically I was using inferior package management and had a lot more trouble building everything than if I just ran linux :) |
| 01:59.11 | shermunn | kurtz: is one available? |
| 01:59.20 | elik | shermunn, I think nsadmin refered to a router... |
| 01:59.28 | abrotman | shermunn: /msg dpkg run at startup |
| 01:59.29 | Hydroxide | Toad: well, you picked a great day to ask, given that Lenny just got released |
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| 01:59.33 | nsadmin | oh, this is a dialup not a dsl? |
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| 01:59.50 | Toad | so I guess my primary requirement is a decent screen, good linux compatibility (whether native or via a VM), and good battery life |
| 02:00.10 | Toad | since I'll probably be making a reasonable number of cross-country flights |
| 02:00.11 | elik | nsadmin, no, he did say dsl |
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| 02:00.22 | kurtz | shermunn: not that I know of (doesn't mean there isn't one out there) but it is pretty simple to write one ;) |
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| 02:00.43 | elik | Toad, one simple advice: get an Intel wifi card... pay more if you have to |
| 02:00.43 | nsadmin | he should be able to automate all thet in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:00.57 | nsadmin | elik: howcome? |
| 02:01.02 | Hydroxide | Toad: go ThinkPad with intel graphics and intel (or other well-supported) wifi. the only real caveat is that direct purchases from lenovo.com have annoyingly large shipping delays but I did eventually get mine in under a month |
| 02:01.10 | elik | nsadmin, howcomewhat? |
| 02:01.14 | drazak | can someone find me a better mirror of this so that I can download it faster, as I'm in an 80x80 console and can't look it up: http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-500-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 02:01.17 | Toad | hrm, was hoping to get it within the next 2 weeks |
| 02:01.19 | Hydroxide | Toad: (and they'll pay me $100 back to compensate for the delay.) the computer itself is great. |
| 02:01.22 | Hydroxide | Toad: then buy in a store |
| 02:01.27 | Toad | yea |
| 02:01.28 | nsadmin | elik: howcomeintelwificard |
| 02:01.29 | Hydroxide | Toad: or from a reseller like CDW |
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| 02:01.46 | shermunn | abrotman: i know that process. the issue here is writing the script itself. better still if it is already available, which i am sure there is since almost everyone has to connect to ISP with DSL nowadays. |
| 02:01.48 | Hydroxide | Toad: the computers have great linux support, including for thinkpad-specific stuff - check www.thinkwiki.org for lots of linux info for them |
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| 02:02.03 | elik | nsadmin, cause I got shares in intel |
| 02:02.16 | Toad | cool, thanks |
| 02:02.17 | Teddybear__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/5.0.0-live/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-500-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 02:02.22 | nsadmin | :P |
| 02:02.24 | elik | nsadmin, no, srsly |
| 02:02.37 | nsadmin | finds out if intel is in dogs of dow |
| 02:02.39 | elik | nsadmin, Intel write their own open source linux drivers |
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| 02:02.51 | Thasp | is moving all the user accounts and passwords on one computer(not including home directories) as easy as copying the /etc/passwd file from one to the other? |
| 02:03.01 | Toad | the main reason I'd get a MBP is for stupid junk like video chat and better presentation software I think |
| 02:03.07 | nsadmin | oh they do? how well do they support linux ap? |
| 02:03.10 | Hydroxide | Toad: sure, yeah |
| 02:03.10 | elik | Thasp, I don't think so |
| 02:03.26 | elik | Thasp, I'm pretty sure your passwords would be messed up, at least |
| 02:03.32 | elik | Thasp, because of the salt thingy |
| 02:03.46 | nsadmin | Thasp: maybe also /etc/group, gshadow, shadow, home dirs |
| 02:03.57 | Thasp | nsadmin, if I move all of those files, is my request then reasonable? |
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| 02:04.17 | nsadmin | you could try copying them and see |
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| 02:04.26 | nsadmin | it should work |
| 02:04.35 | Thasp | would it be possible to tell machine A to read machine B's userlist over network? |
| 02:04.38 | shermunn | nsadmin: /etc/network/interfaces is set up to connect automatically. the problem is after that, when i disconnect and have to reconnect. |
| 02:04.44 | I_Died_Once | trying to figure out why my nfs shares arent mounting by themselves anymore |
| 02:04.49 | Hydroxide | Toad: well, people are making great progress on jingle support for linux, so you'll soon be able to video chat with the googleverse from linux |
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| 02:05.01 | Toad | Hydroxide: ah, that's cool |
| 02:05.09 | nsadmin | Thasp: look into nis/yp |
| 02:05.19 | digitaloktay | \o/ yeah Lenny :) |
| 02:05.20 | Thasp | thanks nsadmin |
| 02:05.22 | nsadmin | but that's tedious to get right |
| 02:05.25 | Toad | Hydroxide: what's battery life like on those thinkpads compared to MBP? |
| 02:05.26 | Thasp | oh :( |
| 02:05.38 | Hydroxide | Toad: and there are lots of great (bt non-WYSIWYG) presentation solutions for linux, often based on latex or similar |
| 02:05.43 | Thasp | Toad the macbook batteries are terrible |
| 02:05.55 | nsadmin | you could also try ldap and figure out a dap structure to use |
| 02:06.02 | Thasp | Toad i buy, repair, and resell macbooks as a business and i have to replace half the batteries. |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | Toad: you can get different size batteries .. 6/9 cell .. i have an older "desktop replacement" and the battery is still good for 3 hours or sometimes more |
| 02:06.13 | abrotman | depending what i'm doing |
| 02:06.48 | Hydroxide | Toad: they offer multiple battery lifespans - I went for one that has about 7 hours specced, and linux is telling me right now that it's got 4h20m of life fully charged with no power-related tweaking |
| 02:06.51 | nsadmin | Thasp: what else is problematic about macbook hw? |
| 02:06.56 | Hydroxide | Toad: using wireless |
| 02:07.12 | Thasp | nsadmin, have a minute? |
| 02:07.24 | nsadmin | in a minute yes:) |
| 02:07.27 | Toad | Hydroxide: yea, I used beamer for a presentation a couple weeks back and it did a decent job |
| 02:07.31 | Thasp | ok i have something to show you then |
| 02:07.39 | nsadmin | hold that thought :) |
| 02:07.44 | Toad | but certainly wasn't confident that plugging my laptop into a projector would actualy set up mirroring correctly :) |
| 02:08.03 | Thasp | nsadmin are you familiar with the rumors that apple uses too much thermal paste on their macbooks? |
| 02:08.07 | Hydroxide | Toad: hehe :) with intel graphics they've got lots of the external monitor stuff working great |
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| 02:08.39 | matthewpucc | can someone help me get fuse working on lenny? |
| 02:08.41 | Hydroxide | Toad: there are intel employees working on X stuff (e.g. keith packard - also himself a debian developer so debian handles this stuff great) |
| 02:09.06 | Toad | Hydroxide: yea, I tried to get dual monitor working on this Dell D620 and failed miserably though |
| 02:09.08 | Hydroxide | Toad: the newest bits aren't in lenny, but lenny still has pretty new bits that autoconfigure a lot of stuff related to X |
| 02:09.14 | Toad | afaik this is intel graphics |
| 02:09.27 | Toad | at least I have intel_agp module loaded |
| 02:09.29 | Hydroxide | Toad: and debian experimental has some of the newest technologies like GEM and UXA |
| 02:09.39 | Thasp | nsadmin, they put more than thermal paste on. see this. http://upload.removed.us/files/9/BUG%20003.jpg |
| 02:09.45 | Hydroxide | Toad: which distro? if it's etch, things hvae changed a lot (e.g. RandR 1.2) |
| 02:09.45 | Thasp | http://upload.removed.us/files/9/BUG%20004.jpg http://upload.removed.us/files/9/BUG%20005.jpg |
| 02:09.50 | elik | Hydroxide, experimental == unstable == sid? |
| 02:10.01 | Hydroxide | elik: no |
| 02:10.03 | Thasp | i got one with no display and found that creature sitting in the pile of thermal paste around the gpu |
| 02:10.16 | Toad | Hydroxide: it was etch when I tried it.. have since upgraded |
| 02:10.36 | Hydroxide | elik: experimental == a staging area that's not part of the normal release workflow. a lot of major changes go through experimental first, like major X or KDE changes, before being ready for upload to unstable |
| 02:10.37 | Thasp | Toad, buy a macbook pro, get a free fossilized insect. http://upload.removed.us/files/9/BUG%20004.jpg |
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| 02:10.45 | Stanlin | Help , how to remove the picture on the splash grub selecto0r? |
| 02:10.46 | elik | Hydroxide, that experimental thing is new to me.. I knew about unstable, testing and released |
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| 02:11.17 | elik | Hydroxide, so experimental is kinda on top of unstable? |
| 02:11.45 | abrotman | Toad: i'm not an expert .. but i'd say the bug had less to do with it than what appears to be the substandard paste that was used |
| 02:11.57 | abrotman | erm .. Thasp ^^^ |
| 02:12.01 | Toad | nasty, haha |
| 02:12.01 | Teddybear__ | the new drm2 Intel drivers should be nice |
| 02:12.07 | Hydroxide | elik: yeah, it's not self-contained and needs to be used in combination with unstable. it's recommended that most people should avoid experimental unless you are experienced/skilled enough to decide you should ignore this recommendation :) |
| 02:12.41 | deegozzz | Apt-get used to show stuff like this: "Configuration file `/etc/mysql/my.cnf' ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation..." It seems that aptitute simply keeps the older file in case of such a conflict? |
| 02:12.57 | deegozzz | silenty? |
| 02:12.59 | nsadmin | elik: not exactly, experimental is for packages that could be very broken (they don't install , or maybe not remove, properly, etc)] |
| 02:13.17 | elik | I see, cool |
| 02:13.31 | Hydroxide | Toad: yeah, etch didn't have the stuff I'm referring to. take a look at this, which does apply to lenny and post-lenny: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 02:13.42 | Thasp | i have stories for days. macbooks are pretty, and sturdily built on the surface, but there are a lot of issues they have that thinkpads do not. this isn't a mac thing either, I like OSX ,I just dislike macbook construction |
| 02:13.53 | nsadmin | or the packaging works, but their functionality is not known to play well with other packages so well, etc |
| 02:13.55 | Hydroxide | Toad: (post-lenny will include RandR 1.3 or 2.0, which will have additional improvements |
| 02:14.26 | Thasp | 15% of the macbooks I get have a warped case a tiny bit, and this is to be expected, but apple has the dvd drive flush with the top case, so if it is warped, it disturbs the optical drive |
| 02:14.30 | nsadmin | Thasp: hmm... and yet they are pretty expensive |
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| 02:14.57 | Thasp | with a thinkpad there is clearance so that you can beat the case and not mess up the optical drive |
| 02:15.23 | nsadmin | I'd like to get say an asus laptop and run all three oses on that |
| 02:15.26 | Thasp | it _LOOKS_ sturdy ,and compared to a dell inspiron 8200 or something horrific, it is. but that's on the surface. it's not something i would trust in a mission critical environment compared to other laptops. |
| 02:15.53 | Thasp | i have neither good or bad to say about asus because i have never serviced one, but IBMs are such a treat. they're really made to be abused |
| 02:16.14 | Hydroxide | Toad: I also upgraded the ram to 4 GB and HDD to 500 GB via newegg for a total of $150 :) |
| 02:16.25 | I_Died_Once | what package is the font called "freesans" located ??? |
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| 02:16.33 | Toad | heh yea, I just bought another 500G for my desktop |
| 02:16.42 | Toad | figure I should mirror the whole damn thing before shipping it cross country |
| 02:16.43 | Hydroxide | Toad: also, I'm using amd64 debian, which now can do official adobe flash player and official sun java plugin |
| 02:16.53 | Hydroxide | Toad: (in a 64-bit browser, I mean) |
| 02:17.11 | Toad | Hydroxide: yea, my desktop is amd64 lenny also... it "works" but flash does decide to stop working every couple days |
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| 02:17.28 | Teddybear__ | I_Died_Once: try apt-cache or apt-file search |
| 02:17.32 | Hydroxide | Toad: you're using one of the free flash programs, right? |
| 02:18.43 | Hydroxide | Toad: the official adobe flash is available for amd64 from unstable (flashplugin-nonfree as usual), and will be in lenny-backports, but no longer in debian stable releases themselves starting with lenny, since it's impossible to apply the many necessary security updates without introducing new versions |
| 02:18.48 | I_Died_Once | TeddyBear__ neither are working |
| 02:19.15 | Hydroxide | Toad: as of yesterday, the unstable one installed fine on lenny |
| 02:19.31 | Teddybear__ | I_Died_Once: mhhh.. ok.. apt-file say this truetype font is in luola-data |
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| 02:21.19 | Teddybear__ | I_Died_Once: but i think you should install ttf-freefont |
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| 02:22.20 | Toad | Hydroxide: ah, I think I'm using somem kind of nspluginwrapper BS |
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| 02:23.05 | abrotman | the dmm repo has it |
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| 02:23.47 | BirdInTux | what is the command again to install KDE i tried sude apt-get KDE |
| 02:23.59 | BirdInTux | er sudo |
| 02:24.06 | Teddybear__ | BirdInTux: mhhhh |
| 02:24.27 | BirdInTux | im just missing something small |
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| 02:24.35 | Teddybear__ | what stupid question... |
| 02:24.53 | Teddybear__ | sudo apt-get install kde ??? |
| 02:25.03 | pickcoder | \o/ Lenny |
| 02:25.05 | BirdInTux | how is it a stupid question iv never used this crap before |
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| 02:25.15 | pickcoder | ponders how 100 bugs got squashed |
| 02:25.24 | Teddybear__ | BirdInTux: omg ..... man apt-get ? |
| 02:26.09 | BirdInTux | again I say iv never used this before |
| 02:26.10 | abrotman | pickcoder: didn't |
| 02:26.11 | gonzaloaf | hi. I have deleted all files inside /var/caches/apt/archives, now I cannot run apt-get update because it get this error: "E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.", how can I fix the problem? |
| 02:26.24 | Teddybear__ | or simply "apt-get" show the little help |
| 02:26.41 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf: just create it; it's a directory |
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| 02:27.01 | pickcoder | abrotman: so is it really stable then? :) |
| 02:27.18 | gonzaloaf | Wyzard, oh thanks |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | pickcoder: seems fine here |
| 02:27.34 | abrotman | i think my last bug got fixed on friday .. grub2 bug |
| 02:27.36 | kj4 | hello abrotman! |
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| 02:27.43 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:27.50 | pickcoder | I'll have to upgrade the box here soon |
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| 02:28.05 | gonzaloaf | how can I free some space on / ? |
| 02:28.24 | pickcoder | remove X? heh |
| 02:28.25 | nsadmin | erasefilesfrom it |
| 02:28.29 | Nathan-2 | i forgot to make debian on a bootable cd, is it possible to do it without? |
| 02:28.47 | Nathan-2 | and i dont mean a emulator |
| 02:29.15 | Nathan-2 | i could partition it then delete the other partition |
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| 02:29.30 | Nathan-2 | but, if theirs an easyer way, i would like to know |
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| 02:30.03 | Nathan-2 | 884 idle users?... |
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| 02:30.18 | abrotman | 883! |
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| 02:30.25 | multi_io | bounces around unidly |
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| 02:30.30 | abrotman | Nathan-2: a bootable CD ? |
| 02:30.35 | Nathan-2 | yeah |
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| 02:31.31 | Nathan-2 | ... |
| 02:31.37 | pickcoder | I think you mean rescue CD? |
| 02:31.49 | Nathan-2 | oh,, |
| 02:31.57 | Nathan-2 | but, i cant boot from teh cd |
| 02:32.07 | Nathan-2 | and i remember having it enabled |
| 02:32.16 | Nathan-2 | because i installed ubuntu. |
| 02:32.17 | pickcoder | please confuse more |
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| 02:32.35 | Nathan-2 | -.- |
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| 02:33.02 | abrotman | Nathan-2: i think you mean, you burnt it as data instead of image ? |
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| 02:33.21 | Nathan-2 | shit... i think i did... |
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| 02:33.41 | xperlx | I just upgraded debian releases. Over all it went great. I'm running a bunch of mod_perl stuff on apache 1.3. Apache upgraded, but is there no mod perl package now? |
| 02:33.42 | pickcoder | burnt? |
| 02:34.00 | Nathan-2 | oh, teh hell with it |
| 02:34.06 | pickcoder | xperlx: geez man upgrade to 2.0 atleast.. |
| 02:34.10 | Nathan-2 | im not burning it again |
| 02:34.21 | Nathan-2 | ill just partition it |
| 02:34.26 | pickcoder | Nathan-2: I still have no idea what you're talking about.. are you wanting to make a live CD? |
| 02:34.32 | xperlx | i could, provided everything tests fine |
| 02:34.41 | Wyzard | xperlx: libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 02:34.41 | Caelum | skeleton is great, takes me 5 minutes to add a new init script |
| 02:34.44 | xperlx | i was just wondering, if i Need to compile from source, its fine |
| 02:34.47 | xperlx | that's for apache2 |
| 02:34.49 | pickcoder | Wyzard: that's not for 1.3 |
| 02:34.53 | Nathan-2 | pickcoder, forget it. i dont hav time to reburn |
| 02:35.27 | Wyzard | apache 1.3 is deprecated |
| 02:35.35 | pickcoder | but it's still in Debian |
| 02:35.37 | pickcoder | :) |
| 02:35.41 | xperlx | I thought it wasn't going away til the next release |
| 02:35.59 | Nathan-2 | know of any .exe partition editors? |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | the release that happened yesterday ? |
| 02:36.02 | Wyzard | xperlx: apache 1.3 itself isn't, but apparently mod_perl has gone away already |
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| 02:36.12 | Inazad | can we play cod4 or cod5 on linux ? |
| 02:36.13 | xperlx | no, the squeeze (or whatever) release |
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| 02:36.18 | r0bert0 | hi all |
| 02:36.33 | pl4yer0ne | 'lo all |
| 02:37.08 | xperlx | no prob. |
| 02:37.14 | xperlx | i'll build from source and migrate later |
| 02:37.15 | Wyzard | xperlx: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libapache-mod-perl shows it in etch but not lenny |
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| 02:37.34 | Nathan-2 | like wubi for debian? |
| 02:37.53 | kingsley | What's a good way to diagnose why /dev/fd0 isn't working? |
| 02:38.01 | Wyzard | Nathan-2: wubi isn't an ".exe partition editor" |
| 02:38.07 | orion_x11 | which is the testing name for testing now? |
| 02:38.13 | Wyzard | orion_x11: squeeze |
| 02:38.18 | pl4yer0ne | kingsley, check the syslog |
| 02:38.20 | pickcoder | Nathan-2: ============================================================================== |
| 02:38.20 | nsadmin | first check bios and watch the boot process |
| 02:38.22 | pickcoder | oops |
| 02:38.28 | pickcoder | bad clipboard... no cookie |
| 02:38.41 | nsadmin | some irc lines are more equal than others... |
| 02:38.42 | pickcoder | http://goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 02:39.01 | orion_x11 | i tried to download it through jigdo, but it is not available |
| 02:39.17 | orion_x11 | when will it be available? |
| 02:39.39 | Wyzard | orion_x11: You're looking for CD images of testing? |
| 02:40.03 | orion_x11 | Wyzard: no, dvd image through jigdo |
| 02:40.18 | Wyzard | same difference |
| 02:40.34 | matthewpucc | can anyone tell me how i can get the source or headers for this kernel version "2.6.18-92.1.18.el5.028stab060.2ent" |
| 02:40.37 | Wyzard | I don't think there are any CD/DVD images of testing, in general |
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| 02:40.45 | Wyzard | There are snapshots of the installer but not of the full release afaik |
| 02:40.54 | orion_x11 | I have lenny here and would like to update for the new testing > squeeze |
| 02:40.58 | Seb | orion_x11: you simply install stable, and dist-upgrade to testing |
| 02:40.59 | Flexa | hello to all! |
| 02:41.09 | Teddybear__ | matthewpucc: this looks like a custom kernel image |
| 02:41.11 | Wyzard | You can do that with apt; you don't need a DVD for that |
| 02:41.12 | abrotman | orion_x11: they haven't diverged yet .. no point |
| 02:41.13 | Flexa | Someone has already updated the etch to lenny from yesterday to today by apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 02:41.15 | Flexa | Or are synchronizing the repositories? |
| 02:41.26 | matthewpucc | its supposed to be a standard lenny install |
| 02:41.48 | elik | abrotman, basically, if you change all your lenny to testing in sources.list, you stay on testing forever, right? |
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| 02:42.03 | Flexa | no i'm have the etch |
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| 02:42.12 | Flexa | the etch stable |
| 02:42.22 | orion_x11 | Wyzard: I am worried of breaking my system > downgrade to stable > upgrade to testing (squeeze) |
| 02:42.25 | elik | the lenny stable too |
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| 02:42.33 | abrotman | elik: yes |
| 02:42.36 | Wyzard | orion_x11: What are you running now? |
| 02:42.41 | kingsley | pl4yer0ne: Thanks. syslog revealed a little more diagnostic info. "end-request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0" |
| 02:42.46 | orion_x11 | Wyzard: lenny |
| 02:42.54 | Wyzard | orion_x11: lenny == stable |
| 02:42.58 | elik | abrotman, you participated in the release? |
| 02:42.59 | Wyzard | orion_x11: You don't have to downgrade anything |
| 02:43.05 | pl4yer0ne | kingsley, try a new floppy, they are notoriously bad |
| 02:43.06 | orion_x11 | Wyzard: I forgot |
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| 02:43.24 | Flexa | yes this is to etch for lenny stable |
| 02:43.26 | Wyzard | orion_x11: Just point your sources.list at squeeze and upgrade |
| 02:43.35 | Teddybear__ | orion_x11: lenny is stable... but the testing repo is the same at this time |
| 02:43.46 | kingsley | pl4yer0ne: I agree, and have already tried three. Plus, this floppy worked in another computer. |
| 02:43.57 | Wyzard | Teddybear__: not quite the same -- a bunch of new packages went into testing (from sid) today |
| 02:44.00 | Flexa | Are synchronizing the repositories? |
| 02:44.32 | pl4yer0ne | kingsley, I have found before that win* is more forgiving of crappy floppies. IE: they dont do as much error control |
| 02:44.38 | abrotman | elik: in what sense ? |
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| 02:44.45 | elik | abrotman, developper |
| 02:44.48 | Teddybear__ | Wyzard: year.. but it isn't so heavy |
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| 02:44.53 | orion_x11 | Wyzard: my source.list is written testing. So, do I have to write "squeeze" instead of "testing"? |
| 02:45.02 | pl4yer0ne | but apart from that have you made sure you are in the correct groups etc? |
| 02:45.05 | elik | orion_x11, no |
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| 02:45.08 | Teddybear__ | orion_x11: no |
| 02:45.12 | elik | orion_x11, testing is a state, it's permanent |
| 02:45.24 | elik | orion_x11, lenny was in testing, switched to stable |
| 02:45.30 | Wyzard | orion_x11: In that case you don't need to change anything, just update and upgrade |
| 02:46.18 | abrotman | elik: nope |
| 02:46.18 | elik | orion_x11, if you have lenny in your sources, you are, as of yesterday, stable |
| 02:46.18 | kingsley | pl4yer0ne: That's interesting. I'll try a new one from a box still wrapped in shrink wrap. |
| 02:46.18 | elik | abrotman, probably got a lot of questions about the release today? |
| 02:46.18 | abrotman | uh .. yep |
| 02:46.19 | elik | :) |
| 02:46.30 | JordiGH | So I've added some aliases and functions to my .bashrc so that cd works exactly as before, except it's now really pushd, and thus there's always a breadcrumb trail of which directories I've been in and "-" is my back button. Is there a good reason to not make this default behaviour? Should I push some patches upstream? :D |
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| 02:46.36 | orion_x11 | Wyzard: Ok. Guys thx. I will try. Is there anyone already using "squeeze" there? |
| 02:46.49 | JordiGH | !wwsr |
| 02:46.50 | dpkg | But Lenny isn't even out yet! Squeeze is the version after Lenny. |
| 02:46.57 | JordiGH | dpkg: Liar! |
| 02:46.57 | dpkg | hey, I just work here; I don't have to take that kind of abuse from you |
| 02:47.05 | elik | lol |
| 02:47.07 | Teddybear__ | orion_x11: can you ask in a few month ?? |
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| 02:47.26 | elik | orion_x11, I am, theoretically... |
| 02:47.27 | Flexa | |
| 02:47.27 | Flexa | the my business is so the upgrade to etch lenny ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian5.0 but now with this 404 not found |
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| 02:47.51 | beware | hi |
| 02:47.54 | elik | hello |
| 02:48.12 | beware | i find vim not showing cursor coordinates, even though "set ruler" is set in config files, in lenny |
| 02:48.13 | Flexa | the ftp us.debian.org too |
| 02:48.15 | abrotman | Flexa: 404 from what ? |
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| 02:48.23 | elik | beware, /join #vim |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | beware: using vim.tiny or vim.full ? |
| 02:48.26 | orion_x11 | Teddybear__: So. Am I at risk of updating for 'squeeze" just now or it is better to wait a little more? |
| 02:48.39 | beware | i dont know, i juse use the command "vim" |
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| 02:48.58 | kingsley | pl4yer0ne: The new floppy elicited the same error messages. Since no floppy worked, and the drive's light doesn't flicker, I suspect a bad drive. |
| 02:48.59 | Flexa | when composing the command apt-get upgrade and update |
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| 02:49.03 | elik | beware, go on #vim, we talk about it in details |
| 02:49.06 | JordiGH | orion_x11: Common wisdom is to wait a little for the dust to settle before upgrading if you want to stay in testing. |
| 02:49.22 | abrotman | beware: dpkg -l "vim*" .. which is installed ? |
| 02:49.36 | elik | beware, but what abrotman is saying is probably your problem |
| 02:49.43 | beware | cim-common and vim-tiny are both installed |
| 02:49.44 | Teddybear__ | orion_x11: when you want to use testing (squeeze) than you should make upgrades from time to time.. |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | IIRC vim.tiny doesn't have the ruler thing |
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| 02:50.24 | beware | ok |
| 02:50.26 | abrotman | beware: aptitude install vim |
| 02:50.27 | Teddybear__ | orion_x11: or you stay at lenny and upgrade to squeeze, when it will be done |
| 02:50.49 | Flexa | when composing the command apt-get upgrade and update returns 404 not found this is :-S |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | Flexa: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 02:51.10 | beware | yay for installs by server providers |
| 02:51.19 | beware | installing not only lots of stuff, but also the wrong stuff |
| 02:51.29 | JordiGH | wonders if Dreamhost is still running sarge. |
| 02:51.37 | nsadmin | Flexa: try apt-get update first |
| 02:51.38 | abrotman | beware: not really the "wrong" stuff .. but less than ideal for some people |
| 02:51.50 | abrotman | nsadmin: are you even paying attention ? |
| 02:51.55 | JordiGH | Yes, they are. |
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| 02:52.15 | JordiGH | Couldn't we root Dreamhost servers if they're running sarge? |
| 02:52.18 | beware | abrotman, is there a good reason to use vim-tiny on a dedicated server? |
| 02:52.23 | nsadmin | abrotman: that's what I always do when install or upgrade gives a 404\ |
| 02:52.25 | Flexa | apt source lists have ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian5.0/main contrib non-free |
| 02:52.26 | abrotman | JordiGH: that's not amusing at all |
| 02:52.32 | abrotman | Flexa: that's wrong |
| 02:52.36 | elik | beware, if you use over network alot, or on low power machines |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | Flexa: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | nsadmin: you didn't even read the issue he was having |
| 02:52.52 | nsadmin | oh, his sources.list is bad |
| 02:52.54 | nsadmin | :) |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | beware: smaller installation footprint i guess |
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| 02:53.02 | Flexa | ok ok i'm try |
| 02:53.08 | Flexa | tank you |
| 02:53.16 | beware | yes, on a core 2 duo machine, with a 160 GB disk, which has lots of stuff installed as it is;) |
| 02:53.16 | nsadmin | all I saw was 404 on upgrade |
| 02:53.20 | JordiGH | abrotman: Amusing? I'm just wondering, aren't they insecure? |
| 02:53.28 | abrotman | JordiGH: not our problem .. ask them |
| 02:53.33 | beware | hence, "lots of stuff, and the wrong stuff" |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | beware: it's also the default |
| 02:53.40 | beware | ok |
| 02:53.44 | beware | well, i regret that choice then |
| 02:53.53 | abrotman | beware: it works fine in most cases .. |
| 02:54.02 | beware | i cant live without coordinates:) |
| 02:54.05 | JordiGH | abrotman: Uh, Debian doesn't push security fixes into sarge, but it's found some since sarge, right? So sarge has unpatched security problems. |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | i usually only install vim if i plan to do much editing on the system |
| 02:54.09 | nsadmin | one thing's for sure... it's stuff! |
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| 02:54.22 | abrotman | JordiGH: and i'm sure they know this .. not our problem .. |
| 02:54.34 | beware | anyway, over and out |
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| 02:57.47 | bahadunn | Hentai: success? |
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| 03:00.17 | Hentai | bahadunn, yes after two stabings in my hand |
| 03:00.37 | bahadunn | Hentai: electrical stabbings? |
| 03:00.44 | Hentai | knife into hande |
| 03:00.46 | Hentai | -e |
| 03:00.48 | bahadunn | ah |
| 03:00.51 | bahadunn | Hentai: you okay? |
| 03:01.06 | Hentai | yeah, I was modifying a 80wire ide cable |
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| 03:01.19 | bahadunn | Hentai: debian is installed now? |
| 03:01.20 | Hentai | the plastic so it would accept all 40 pins |
| 03:01.22 | Hentai | no |
| 03:01.32 | bahadunn | more problems? |
| 03:01.38 | Hentai | a long time to go for download |
| 03:01.44 | bahadunn | oh okay |
| 03:01.47 | aarkerio | hi! somebody knows a good console encoder CD->Flac/Ogg ?? |
| 03:01.55 | bahadunn | Hentai: progress is good though |
| 03:02.06 | bahadunn | oggenc? |
| 03:02.13 | Hentai | I may download the dvd or cd version |
| 03:02.34 | aarkerio | as SoundJuicer but in console |
| 03:02.56 | bahadunn | I think there is a oggenc not sure though |
| 03:03.11 | Hentai | oh yeah my hdd is 8GB in there, I may just replace it with a 40GB I have |
| 03:03.13 | Wyzard | oggenc doesn't do CD ripping, just encoding |
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| 03:03.44 | aarkerio | I found jack package |
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| 03:04.29 | aarkerio | thx! |
| 03:04.31 | maggot_brain | does anyone know if it will be possible to build the 6.10 Free Radeon X.org driver on Lenny without changing any other packages? |
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| 03:05.54 | JordiGH | maggot_brain: tias |
| 03:05.56 | rohan | hi.. does debian 5 kde 3.5.9 use konqueror as the default file manager, or dolphin? |
| 03:06.08 | JordiGH | rohan: Konqueror. |
| 03:06.43 | maggot_brain | JordiGH: I'm sorry I don't understand |
| 03:06.48 | JordiGH | !tias |
| 03:06.48 | dpkg | [tias] try it and see, or what you should have done first |
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| 03:07.17 | grnmtn | hurray for lenny! :) |
| 03:07.19 | rohan_ | JordiGH: great, thanks :) |
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| 03:07.21 | maggot_brain | JordiGH: I would do but the machine runs Arch and not Debian, I'm just scouting around to see if anyone knows |
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| 03:08.29 | JordiGH | maggot_brain: The 6.10 radeon driver is packaged in experimental. It will probably take a bit of pain to get it backported into lenny, since I'm guessing it's sitting there along with the rest of the currently experimental xorg. |
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| 03:09.03 | maggot_brain | JordiGH: ok, I'm just asking the Radeon devs right now |
| 03:09.10 | Dewio | has anyone had issues with xmms2 refusing to play certain files? |
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| 03:09.20 | Dewio | it's possible the files are damaged in some way I guess, but every other player is happy enough |
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| 03:09.54 | Dewi | when I add files to the playlist they just don't make it on there |
| 03:10.00 | smacnay | How unstable are the testing upgrades right now? |
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| 03:11.25 | nsadmin | smacnay 323456345345.4239087234 |
| 03:11.39 | rohan_ | JordiGH: even if i install "d3lphin", konqi will be the default? |
| 03:11.39 | abrotman | smacnay: there aren't any |
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| 03:12.04 | JordiGH | rohan_: I'm almost sure it is, but now you're making me doubt. |
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| 03:12.42 | rohan_ | JordiGH: that's exactly what i was thinking.. if both d3lphin and konqi are there, what would be the default? |
| 03:13.06 | JordiGH | rohan_: konqui... and if not, you can make it the default. |
| 03:13.24 | rohan_ | JordiGH: could you tell me how, please? |
| 03:13.57 | JordiGH | rohan_: Eh, poking around system settings, filetypes somewhere, choose what's used to open directories. |
| 03:14.08 | JordiGH | rohan_: Sorry, it's been a while since I've been on KDE. |
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| 03:14.15 | gravity | maggot_brain: Give it a try. It might actually work. |
| 03:15.15 | rohan_ | JordiGH: ok, ty |
| 03:15.52 | Raylz | does flash work with the lenny konqueror? |
| 03:16.06 | gravity | maggot_brain: You'll need the xserver-xorg-dev package at least to have a shot |
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| 03:17.48 | maggot_brain | gravity: aye I know, I'm just asking one of the ATI guys about it now |
| 03:17.54 | gravity | Ok |
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| 03:21.15 | vignesh | Hi Guys |
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| 03:21.35 | smacnay | abrotman: I wonder if the 35 updates I see listed here might be from sid. Seems that my system is borrowing quite a few sid apps. |
| 03:21.38 | vignesh | I downloaded the live cd thinking I can also install from it .. is there anyway to install from it ? |
| 03:21.57 | smacnay | abrotman: a bunch are gstreamer and xmame stuff. |
| 03:22.06 | vignesh | I don`t see any install option |
| 03:22.10 | abrotman | you can use packages.debian.org to see |
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| 03:23.39 | vignesh | abrotman: can I install debian 5.0.0 from the live cd ? |
| 03:23.55 | abrotman | i'm not sure .. |
| 03:24.06 | elik | vignesh, why don't you get the net install? |
| 03:24.27 | vignesh | elik: I am on a slow connection, |
| 03:24.37 | elik | vignesh, slow like? |
| 03:24.50 | vignesh | elik: I can also install it on more than 3 computers once I get the cs |
| 03:24.54 | vignesh | cd* |
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| 03:25.39 | pl4yer0ne | anyone had probs installing lenny on 64bit? |
| 03:25.57 | elik | pl4yer0ne, I didn't have any.. but that was a while ago |
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| 03:26.19 | hollywoodb | pl4yer0ne: no issues here. what's the problem on your box? |
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| 03:26.33 | Teddybear__ | pl4yer0ne: everything works fine |
| 03:26.36 | elik | vignesh, hum, then you probably want the whole dvd suite.. but I don't know if you can actually install the live cd as you can do with ubuntu |
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| 03:26.52 | pl4yer0ne | hmmm using the multi-arch dvd and it wigs out trying to mount root |
| 03:26.55 | jsubl2 | I thought the xorg.cnf vs hal policies was a little funky |
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| 03:27.08 | NeonLightning | is there a program i can use to visualize what folders are taking what portion of my drivespace? |
| 03:27.26 | hollywoodb | pl4yer0ne: fwiw I used the netinst disc |
| 03:27.26 | elik | neoice, du |
| 03:27.30 | gravity | NeonLightning: baobab |
| 03:27.43 | mns | Ok so now that Lenny is out, what was in Sid becomes the new testing correct ? |
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| 03:27.55 | pl4yer0ne | yeah no worries, i'll try installing a few more times with different media and see if its repro |
| 03:28.01 | elik | eh, NeonLightning, du |
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| 03:28.31 | gravity | mns: No, Sid remains unstable. The new testing is named squeeze. |
| 03:28.42 | NeonLightning | gravity: thanks |
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| 03:28.56 | pl4yer0ne | mns, not really, testing is still testing, its just that lenny and testing are basically the same right now |
| 03:29.08 | elik | pl4yer0ne, no |
| 03:29.38 | elik | pl4yer0ne, well, I see what you mean... lenny is stable, but stable and testing are the same at this point |
| 03:29.41 | mns | gravity: what I meant was that what versions were in Sid on Thursday, now become part of testing, while what was "testing" now becomes "stable" yes ? |
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| 03:29.56 | gravity | mns: Yes |
| 03:30.02 | gravity | mns: Sorta. |
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| 03:30.23 | mns | that explains the 283 updates from aptitude update .. lol |
| 03:30.26 | gravity | mns: Packages are allowed to transition from unstable to testing according to the normal rules |
| 03:30.39 | gravity | mns: But sid doesn't just get copied over to squeeze |
| 03:30.53 | mns | not all of sid, but some of it. |
| 03:31.22 | Teddybear__ | 283 updates this time ? |
| 03:31.28 | pl4yer0ne | mns, no thats totally not what happens - all those updates are because testing was unfrozen |
| 03:32.24 | mns | Teddybear__: that's what I got when i ran aptitude update. |
| 03:32.32 | elik | pl4yer0ne, hum, I got those upgrades too, and my sources was lenny... |
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| 03:33.26 | pl4yer0ne | really? |
| 03:34.09 | abrotman | gravity: i thought squeeze was still frozen for a bit ? |
| 03:34.51 | Teddybear__ | wow... |
| 03:34.56 | elik | pl4yer0ne, yeah.. so I thought that's what was getting in just before atual release |
| 03:35.13 | elik | pl4yer0ne, then, I changed my sources to testing, and got only 2-3 upgrades |
| 03:35.37 | pl4yer0ne | wierd, I thought those updates were unfrozen stuff. I guess I was wrong. |
| 03:35.46 | mns | pl4yer0ne: all my GCC packages moved from 4.3.2 to 4.3.3 or at least it is trying to do that right now. Lenny went out with 4.3.2. Testing got unforzen, so that stuff in sid that needed to move to testing could be moved now that lenny was released. |
| 03:36.12 | mns | at least that's the way I visualise it to myself .. |
| 03:36.35 | gravity | abrotman: Is it? Is there a reason? |
| 03:36.53 | abrotman | gravity: thought it was normal to leave testing frozen for a bit .. perhaps i'm wrong |
| 03:37.12 | mns | abrotman: they did that when etch was released, you are correct. |
| 03:37.21 | gravity | Maybe. I'm not an ftpmaster |
| 03:37.31 | abrotman | we should find one! |
| 03:37.45 | elik | maybe to let developer get some time for themselves, and make up for the fact they were so busy on St-Valentine's day :P |
| 03:37.55 | mns | I'm looking for a new job ... maybe I should apply .. :) |
| 03:38.22 | gravity | It pays pretty bad |
| 03:38.38 | pickcoder | would rather be an scpmaster |
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| 03:39.01 | mns | hmmmm maybe I might apply once I find a proper job .. |
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| 03:41.13 | gravity | mns: You'll have much better luck going the normal packaging debian developer route rather than trying to jump in to ftpmaster directly |
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| 03:42.19 | pickcoder | did xserver change names again? |
| 03:42.25 | gravity | pickcoder: Uh... no |
| 03:42.34 | gravity | Why? |
| 03:42.34 | pickcoder | crap.. it's wanting to remove half of it |
| 03:43.25 | pickcoder | xserver-xorg-* |
| 03:43.51 | gravity | The input and video drivers? Just make sure it doesn't remove the ones you're using |
| 03:44.04 | pickcoder | I think core is kinda critical |
| 03:44.12 | pickcoder | but it wants to remove it |
| 03:44.12 | gravity | Yeah, you want that one |
| 03:44.17 | SerajewelKS | is there a libelf in amd64 that's linkable by 32-bit apps? |
| 03:44.22 | gravity | pickcoder: Don't let it |
| 03:44.27 | pickcoder | along with the meta package |
| 03:44.32 | pickcoder | xserver-xorg |
| 03:44.33 | gravity | Or let it and reinstall later |
| 03:44.55 | gravity | xserver-xorg isn't a metapackage. That's xorg. xserver-xorg has a bunch of useful packaging scripts |
| 03:45.12 | gravity | But anyway... you can either try using apt-get or use aptitude's interactive mode to smooth out the upgrade |
| 03:45.19 | pickcoder | kernel headers too |
| 03:45.31 | gravity | There's been some reports that aptitude is doing bad things by default on some upgrades |
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| 03:48.35 | pickcoder | aptitude has the same removal criteria as apt-get |
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| 03:48.39 | pickcoder | I'll fix it by hand |
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| 03:50.54 | Hazuki | Congratulations on 5.0 :) Longtime Linux user with a question: would it be possible to "slipstream" the Intel 4965 microcode into a iso image? |
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| 03:51.15 | amine | hey |
| 03:51.25 | amine | was there a big update lately? I got 255 packages that need upgrading |
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| 03:51.36 | Hazuki | amine, Lenny was just released... |
| 03:51.46 | amine | ah |
| 03:52.17 | amine | so should I update for a dedicated server? |
| 03:52.19 | xxxxx | very exciting day today, I've just installed onto my asus eee 1002ha and the only thing that I'm having an issue with at the moment is wireless. |
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| 03:52.55 | xxxxx | I'm following the wireless section of the wiki right now, I've modprobe'd ath5k, but unfortunately wlan0 isn't appearing. |
| 03:53.41 | Hazuki | xxxxx: from what I've read of the docs it says there's very few wireless cards supported |
| 03:53.55 | Hazuki | and that blasted Atheros card is something of a black sheep... |
| 03:54.09 | Hazuki | (supported in the installer I mean) |
| 03:54.22 | xxxxx | strange, I thought the asus eee was supported. |
| 03:54.36 | abrotman | xxxxx: #debian-eeepc on oftc |
| 03:54.45 | xxxxx | abrotman: merci |
| 03:55.20 | Hazuki | Googles around more for where to get (and put) the iwl4965 firmware in the amd64 installer... |
| 03:55.23 | tac_ | hey mans, then what about the status of etch, is it still being developed or maintained? Thanks :) |
| 03:55.43 | abrotman | tac_: security support will continue for a year or so .. and there will probably be another point release |
| 03:57.05 | tac_ | abrotman: Oh, great. So after the lenny's release, what will be the next Devel-Abbreviation for debian? for exa, lenny ++ ? |
| 03:57.34 | tac_ | forgive for my ingonorance :) |
| 03:57.35 | NeonLightning | squeeze |
| 03:57.54 | abrotman | tac_: squeeze |
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| 03:58.18 | Hazuki | What happens when we run out of Toy Story characters to use? |
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| 03:58.29 | tac_ | NeonLightning, abrotman: Ohya, good name :D |
| 03:58.31 | Shoopuf | Why would I want to choose Lenny instead of the latest Ubuntu release? |
| 03:58.34 | slackd00d | move to wall-e names |
| 03:58.36 | Hazuki | imagins Debian 9.0 Wall-E or so :) |
| 03:58.43 | Hazuki | hehe, you thought of it too ^^ |
| 03:58.48 | slackd00d | = ) |
| 03:58.57 | abrotman | Hazuki: we're still on TS1 .. there's TS2 and TS3 is coming |
| 03:59.01 | pl4yer0ne | Shoopuf, because Ubuntu is for Pussies(tm) |
| 03:59.04 | Hazuki | Ohh! Right |
| 03:59.45 | slackd00d | maybe they will make a new toy story when the names run out.....or just use the names in the credits |
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| 04:00.19 | NeonLightning | Shoopuf: i've personally found ubuntu to be kinda like trying to design debian for use by children altho at the same time some of the people i know that used gentoo for years now use ubuntu |
| 04:00.28 | pl4yer0ne | haha start using the actors maybe? Debian 30.0 "Hanks" |
| 04:00.31 | Hazuki | hm...can't find anything about slipstreaming iwl4965's ucode and drivers into an ISO. Also, does ESound work on Debian? I have this visualizer for music (extace) that needs it |
| 04:00.39 | slackd00d | heh |
| 04:00.52 | Hazuki | is currently on Arch, does not want to redo Gentoo just for ESound |
| 04:00.54 | Shoopuf | Hmm OK, well I'll try Debian anyway then :) |
| 04:00.56 | Wyzard | Shoopuf: Debian undergoes more rigorous testing and is aimed more at servers; Ubuntu focuses more on desktop latest-and-greatest and releases more frequently (with less rigorous testing) in order to have all the latest shiny desktop stuff |
| 04:00.58 | valdyn | Hazuki: who uses esd anymore? |
| 04:01.09 | valdyn | Hazuki: but its still in debian |
| 04:01.10 | Shoopuf | Wyzard: i see, thanks |
| 04:01.11 | Hazuki | valdyn, I do. My hearing is awful and extace lets me "see" music |
| 04:01.15 | tac_ | How many names in Toy have we been using ? :) |
| 04:01.24 | tac_ | so far I know only two |
| 04:01.28 | gravity | I hate the "server" distinction. It's such crap. Debian is fine for desktops too. |
| 04:01.34 | Hazuki | pokes her wireless. And her eardrums. Curse you, genetic inheritance. |
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| 04:01.43 | Wyzard | it is, and Ubuntu has a "server" installer; it's not an absolute distinction |
| 04:02.01 | NeonLightning | Hazuki: so i'm not the only one that can hear wireless devices |
| 04:02.30 | karsten | gravity: it's more a hoi polloi distinction IMO. |
| 04:02.31 | NeonLightning | or wait nm other way round |
| 04:02.32 | Hazuki | How can someone hear radiation? Sound is push-pull waves in air... |
| 04:02.33 | Wyzard | but Ubuntu is generally stable enough for desktops and keeps more up-to-date on things like the latest GNOME |
| 04:02.42 | pl4yer0ne | Ubuntu is like a debian testing sid hybryd without any QA at all. |
| 04:02.51 | karsten | Hazuki: Sound *is* radiation. |
| 04:02.57 | NeonLightning | Hazuki: i can hear tv's and most wireless routers |
| 04:02.59 | karsten | Hazuki: It's not EMR. |
| 04:03.03 | Shoopuf | so it sounds like Debian is more stable, more geared towards servers, and is better tested |
| 04:03.04 | pl4yer0ne | So some stuff is "Newer better more broken" |
| 04:03.07 | tac_ | Wyzard: Debian has a big problem with Gnome I think |
| 04:03.17 | Hazuki | ...what? No it's not o_O It's convection by definition. Alternative cycles of compression and rarefaction of a medium |
| 04:03.24 | karsten | NeonLightning: You're hearing oscillations in the audio spectrum. I hear 'em too. |
| 04:03.53 | kj4 | NeonLightning: describe what they sound like |
| 04:03.53 | jsubl2_ | NeonLightning: which wireless do you have |
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| 04:04.07 | NeonLightning | karsten: my wife and best friend can too my wife only hears the tv's though and my older son gets annoyed by the sound tv's make |
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| 04:04.12 | Hazuki | that high-pitched annoying sound is electricity-->vibration conversion somewhere. About 3000 Hz, seems to always be off to the side, right? |
| 04:04.46 | Wyzard | Shoopuf: as gravity pointed out, Debian works well on desktops too |
| 04:04.50 | NeonLightning | jsubl2_: right now i'm using my crappy belkin because my borrowed dlink died on my i can't remember what versions i'm wired in though |
| 04:04.51 | karsten | NeonLightning: TVs and some burgler alarms and animal deterrance systems. |
| 04:04.54 | Shoopuf | my monitor makes a kind of high-pitch "eeee" sound, but only can hear it when things are pretty quiet (it even makes this sound when it's off unless I unplug it) |
| 04:04.56 | Hazuki | sounds like a very very high-pitched viol crossed with the sound of rubbing a finger on the edge of a wineglass? |
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| 04:05.12 | karsten | Shoopuf: standby mode. |
| 04:05.15 | NeonLightning | yes |
| 04:05.18 | Wyzard | Shoopuf: and it'd probably be a better choice for something like an enterprise deployment where an IT department has to manage lots of desktops for a long time |
| 04:05.23 | jsubl2_ | NeonLightning: well my hearing is not great but I have never heard my intel iwl3945 |
| 04:05.32 | karsten | Shoopuf: CRT or LCD? |
| 04:05.34 | Shoopuf | OK I'll definitely start downloading Debian then :) |
| 04:05.37 | Shoopuf | karsten: LCD |
| 04:05.55 | Hazuki | Shoopuf: Debian is the byword for absolute stability in the Linux world. I prefer Arch and Gentoo at home but would use Debian for servers |
| 04:05.58 | NeonLightning | lcd's i don't often hear anything from |
| 04:05.59 | pflanze | Hello. Is there any alsa user which can tell me how to get arecord actually record microphone input? toggling feedback in alsamixer will make my voice heard, but arecord records a silent stream. |
| 04:06.01 | karsten | Shoopuf: Interesting. I mostly pick it up from CRTs. |
| 04:06.03 | gravity | Shoopuf: One nice thing with Debian is that you can run testing or unstable and have rolling updates every day. |
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| 04:06.19 | gravity | Shoopuf: This makes testing (or unstable, if you're in to that) very nice for some desktops |
| 04:06.32 | benley | Any knoe know where I might find docs about headless network installs? |
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| 04:06.45 | Wyzard | pflanze: In alsamixer, press Tab so that you're looking at the capture controls rather than the playback controls |
| 04:06.58 | pflanze | Wyzard: ok, and then? they are all set to some mid-level |
| 04:06.59 | benley | I knew how to do this with etch, but the lenny installer is all different and I can't figure out how to get the pxeboot rig to talk on the serial port instead of vga. |
| 04:07.32 | Wyzard | pflanze: See if some of them are muted or zeroed |
| 04:07.46 | pflanze | Wyzard: and "Input So" is set to "Mic" two times. There are no mute switches on any of the sliders. |
| 04:07.51 | Wyzard | pflanze: You might need to scroll to the right to see controls that are initially offscreen |
| 04:07.58 | Shoopuf | Oh that reminds me, I wonder if I'll have that "erratic volume slider" behavior problem with Debian :P Guess I'll have to install and find out. |
| 04:08.01 | Hazuki | Okay, again: is there a way to get an install iso image to support the iwl4965? I just need to know what to download and where to put it in the iso's directory structure |
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| 04:08.04 | karsten | benley: FAI |
| 04:08.08 | pflanze | Wyzard: no, there are none left I haven't seen. |
| 04:08.15 | Wyzard | pflanze: dunno then, sorry |
| 04:08.19 | abrotman | Hazuki: the firmware .. /lib/firmware/ |
| 04:08.22 | benley | karsten: that's overkill - all I need is to run the plain installer on the serial port |
| 04:08.41 | Hazuki | abrotman, aha, so I had that part right...where do I find the file though? |
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| 04:08.56 | abrotman | Hazuki: /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 04:09.00 | benley | karsten: etch shipped with a pxelinux.cfg.serial-9600 you could use with pxelinux to boot |
| 04:09.02 | Hazuki | oh, thanks ^^ |
| 04:09.10 | benley | karsten: I can't find any such thing to use with the lenny installer |
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| 04:10.17 | Hazuki | abrotman: thanks :) So I download this .deb, extract it somewhere, put the relevant files into the .iso tree (using MagicISO or similar) and burn the iso? |
| 04:10.31 | abrotman | Hazuki: seems reasonable |
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| 04:10.38 | Hazuki | thank you <3 |
| 04:10.43 | Shoopuf | What's the difference between CD-1.iso, CD-2.iso...CD-31.iso? :P |
| 04:10.44 | abrotman | probably be easier to just plug it in |
| 04:10.56 | abrotman | Shoopuf: they all have different software ... just get the netinst |
| 04:11.20 | karsten | benley: You should be able to pass kernel parms at boot. You don't mind having to type something at console to start? |
| 04:11.21 | benley | karsten: I'll hack something together until it works. Where should I post docs when I finish? |
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| 04:11.31 | benley | karsten: that's the key - I'm not physically present |
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| 04:11.38 | Wyzard | Shoopuf: If you wanted to have the entire set of Debian packages available offline, you'd download *all* of those (or the five DVDs) |
| 04:11.44 | benley | karsten: I have serial consoles attached to remote servers, and I can power cycle them using ipmi |
| 04:11.51 | karsten | benley: wiki.debian.org |
| 04:11.58 | Wyzard | Shoopuf: but you'll probably only ever actually install a small fraction of that software |
| 04:12.05 | karsten | benley: Alternately: boot anything, and chroot install. |
| 04:12.16 | benley | karsten: that's also a good idea |
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| 04:12.24 | karsten | benley: Assuming you can ssh in. |
| 04:12.24 | Wyzard | Shoopuf: If you have an internet connection available while installing, use the businesscard or netinst CD, which is small and will download just what's needed on the fly |
| 04:12.27 | benley | karsten: this has _got_ to be a solved problem though, all that's missing (or hard to find) is docs |
| 04:12.42 | SerajewelKS | what conf file do i have to dick with to let me start new X sessions from within another X session? |
| 04:12.52 | karsten | benley: For datacenters, PXE + FAI. |
| 04:12.55 | SerajewelKS | i vaguely recall it being because inside X i'm not a "console user" |
| 04:13.00 | karsten | benley: That's how $WORK does it. |
| 04:13.08 | benley | karsten: yeah I intend to use fai and/or preseeding later on |
| 04:13.16 | benley | I'm not to that point yet with this infrastructure. |
| 04:13.21 | karsten | SerajewelKS: /etc/X11/Xwrapper.conf |
| 04:13.35 | karsten | SerajewelKS: /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 04:13.57 | karsten | SerajewelKS: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 04:14.00 | SerajewelKS | karsten: thanks |
| 04:14.39 | benley | does a little dance after one of his machines that he thought was hard-locked suddenly finishes booting |
| 04:15.55 | SerajewelKS | karsten: haha turns out that not only doesn't start an X server but has the side-effect of killing off the current X server |
| 04:16.18 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: only nvidia drivers support this |
| 04:16.23 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: after what i have seeen |
| 04:16.28 | karsten | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 04:16.36 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you just want to start a new one? or use something like xnest ? |
| 04:16.44 | karsten | SerajewelKS: startx -- :1 |
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| 04:17.01 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Look into Xnest and xephyr as well. |
| 04:17.02 | \amethyst | benley: you might be able to modify the isolinux/*.cfg to add the appropriate kernel options to the installer disk... not sure how to do that and keep it bootable, though |
| 04:17.02 | karsten | ' |
| 04:17.12 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i am using binary nvidia drivers |
| 04:17.27 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: so they broken it |
| 04:17.30 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: start a new one for playing a full-screen game that doesn't allow minimization |
| 04:17.45 | benley | \amethyst: I'm netbooting, that's easier to do :) |
| 04:17.49 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: so what karsten just said doesn't work ? |
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| 04:18.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it tries to start an X server, fails, and crashes the current one too |
| 04:18.36 | abrotman | curses nvidia! |
| 04:18.44 | \amethyst | I imagine you'd lose direct rendering inside an xnest, which might not be so good for games |
| 04:18.54 | SerajewelKS | curses game developers who can't bind alt+tab to minimize the game |
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| 04:19.47 | pickcoder | I thought you didn't want it to be minimized? |
| 04:19.49 | karsten | abrotman: Dude, it's going to take more than that. |
| 04:20.01 | pickcoder | oh I msiread |
| 04:20.07 | karsten | abrotman: Bid on a nuke from North Korea and tell 'em like itis. |
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| 04:21.25 | SerajewelKS | though supposedly xephyr has some gl support |
| 04:21.47 | josh__ | i get init: cannot execute /sbin/getty when i boot my laptop. i just repeats over and over again |
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| 04:22.50 | CShadowRun | heres an arguement-invoking question for ya'll, i've got a really, really old laptop (600mhz, 128mb memory shared with the graphics card), and i want to know which package i should install to get a GUI on it. |
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| 04:23.22 | plsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.23 | CShadowRun | so obviously the least resource intensive one :P |
| 04:23.24 | abrotman | xorg and your window manager |
| 04:24.02 | Seb | what's the simplest way of booting a usb key in a virtualized environment ? I don't want to have to reboot this computer to check what's on it... |
| 04:24.14 | CShadowRun | abrotman i'll need panels and a wallpaper, and a basic set of utils, though. |
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| 04:24.36 | CShadowRun | so pretty much a desktop environment :p |
| 04:25.06 | karsten | Seb: qemu IMO |
| 04:25.07 | abrotman | xfce might be okay for you |
| 04:25.18 | Seb | karsten: ah, never used that before |
| 04:25.21 | karsten | Seb: UML's another option. |
| 04:25.26 | xoz | CShadowRun: 600 mhz is not really a slow machine. you can try openbox+fbpanel+conky |
| 04:25.36 | Seb | karsten: ok, I will do some reading on those two |
| 04:25.38 | pflanze | Wyzard: it *was* in fact toggled off--I just didn't realize: instead of the [M] sign which is used for outputs, alsamixer has "----" and I just didn't expect that to be a switch. DOH. |
| 04:25.39 | karsten | Seb: qemu will actually use the kernel on the key, UML uses a modified userspace kernel. |
| 04:25.40 | CShadowRun | xoz that sounds good, i'll try that :) |
| 04:25.44 | ZitZ | Does someone here have experience connecting to a university wireless network |
| 04:25.56 | Seb | karsten: I see, then qemu is more what i'm looking for |
| 04:26.00 | Seb | karsten: thank you very much |
| 04:26.19 | karsten | Seb: I'd go w/ qemu. UML i suseful for checking out the environment itself. I <3 qemu |
| 04:26.33 | josh__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.59 | karsten | Seb: If you plan on using it a lot or care about performance, install the kqemu kernel modules as well for kernel acceleration. |
| 04:27.09 | Seb | karsten: i see |
| 04:28.15 | xoz | Seb: or virtualbox |
| 04:29.03 | Seb | xoz: true |
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| 04:29.52 | ZitZ | Can someone check my /etc/network/interfaces if i pastebin it? |
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| 04:30.21 | Cope57 | sure |
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| 04:30.39 | nsadmin | ZitZ: someone can, if you pastebin it |
| 04:30.42 | naiba | i don't understand anything from here |
| 04:30.42 | naiba | lol |
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| 04:30.53 | mmlj4 | how about from there? |
| 04:31.01 | naiba | lol |
| 04:31.06 | naiba | :) |
| 04:31.11 | naiba | strange network |
| 04:31.16 | nsadmin | naiba: you've never been here before! I'm here... you're there! |
| 04:31.20 | naiba | but seems to be very helpful |
| 04:31.31 | xoz | !confuse naiba |
| 04:31.31 | dpkg | No, them are their pineapple tomorrow, naiba? lederhosen of the people's republic of mongolia with extra crabpaste |
| 04:31.36 | pickcoder | you must have never been on DALnet then |
| 04:31.52 | pickcoder | if Freenode is strange |
| 04:32.07 | naiba | strange for me |
| 04:32.11 | naiba | not in general |
| 04:32.17 | ZitZ | http://pastebin.com/md6e05 There it is, I substituted generic terms for my username and password |
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| 04:32.42 | naiba | whats about this channel anyway? |
| 04:32.51 | abrotman | naiba: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 04:32.52 | naiba | i dont know how i got here |
| 04:32.53 | naiba | lol |
| 04:32.59 | Seb | karsten: wow, that took me about 15 seconds to set up :) |
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| 04:33.18 | Cope57 | um, wireless, sorry I can not help. |
| 04:33.27 | naiba | yes, i want to be root in a server, but i can't |
| 04:33.28 | nsadmin | there is no setup for eth0 |
| 04:33.29 | naiba | cuz i |
| 04:33.38 | abrotman | naiba: which OS are you running ? |
| 04:33.39 | naiba | m so scriptkiddie and n00b too |
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| 04:34.05 | naiba | on my pc? |
| 04:34.13 | nsadmin | naiba: what kinds of things do you want to do |
| 04:34.14 | ZitZ | I usually use network manager for eth0, I'm trying to get wireless up at my university, broadcom official drivers |
| 04:34.21 | abrotman | nsadmin: please don't |
| 04:34.29 | abrotman | naiba: which OS is the system you want root on running? |
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| 04:34.47 | naiba | linux |
| 04:34.49 | nsadmin | specify. |
| 04:34.55 | td123 | I think this release converted me to debian |
| 04:34.58 | abrotman | naiba: yes, which OS ? |
| 04:34.58 | naiba | Linux mail 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:35.09 | abrotman | naiba: talk to your system administrator |
| 04:35.12 | benley | hooray for linux 2.4 |
| 04:35.15 | naiba | lol |
| 04:35.20 | nsadmin | I'm not goping to refrain from doing anything unless you say what you want me to refrain from. |
| 04:35.20 | td123 | It just works for me (besides the proprietary firmwares) which were easy to add I might add |
| 04:35.21 | benley | naiba: cat /etc/lsb-release |
| 04:35.33 | naiba | dosn't work |
| 04:35.41 | abrotman | naiba: talk to your system administrator |
| 04:36.10 | naiba | abrotman: the server is compromised i'm not legal in it |
| 04:36.17 | abrotman | naiba: is it your server? |
| 04:36.24 | naiba | i just told you |
| 04:36.27 | abrotman | naiba: is it your server? |
| 04:36.32 | naiba | i just told you man |
| 04:36.34 | Seb | snickers |
| 04:36.47 | abrotman | so you want us to help you get root access on a server that isn't yours ? |
| 04:36.53 | Seb | naiba: we're just trying to determine if it is indeed your server or not |
| 04:36.57 | Seb | naiba: could you clarify that for us ? |
| 04:37.09 | pickcoder | wonders if the conversation is worthwhile |
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| 04:37.31 | nsadmin | he has his own machine he can be root on |
| 04:37.43 | abrotman | nsadmin: you're 100% sure of that ? |
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| 04:37.50 | naiba | yes, i want to be root |
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| 04:37.55 | abrotman | naiba: IS IT YOUR SERVER? |
| 04:38.05 | naiba | abrotman: no |
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| 04:38.14 | K_Dallas | Q: I am gettting DVD image of lenny at 40-50K/s. Is it just because of the enormous traffic from others or that is my ISP? |
| 04:38.15 | abrotman | /deop abrotman |
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| 04:38.19 | plsd | SOLVED I'm using mplayer in Debian 5.0 and for example when changing the volume the thing that comes up is really big. Anyone know how I can make it smaller? --- SOLUTION TO PROBLEM IS ---> subfont-osd-scale=3 (or whatever number looks good) |
| 04:38.41 | kurtz | hahahaha |
| 04:39.00 | nsadmin | K_Dallas: do you run debian now? |
| 04:39.05 | pickcoder | abrotman: I was about to suggest the only method was live CD and chroot |
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| 04:39.12 | K_Dallas | nsadmin, nope, i am in windows right now |
| 04:39.17 | abrotman | pickcoder: he had said he was a script kiddie |
| 04:39.22 | pickcoder | and? |
| 04:39.24 | nsadmin | oh, you could get a netinst |
| 04:39.30 | pickcoder | if it's his machine then he could fix it with a live CD |
| 04:39.33 | K_Dallas | nsadmin, my ISP puts cap on torrent so using wget |
| 04:39.34 | pickcoder | end of conversation there |
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| 04:40.12 | nsadmin | K_Dallas:you don't need a (5g or more) dvd image |
| 04:40.14 | K_Dallas | nsadmin, i need the DVD for distributign to a few others so netinstall is not a good option for me |
| 04:40.41 | nsadmin | K_Dallas: but it might be for them as well |
| 04:41.04 | nsadmin | getting the image now is just not in the cards... lenny was -just- releasecxd |
| 04:41.12 | cristoper | K_Dallas: You might try a different mirror, or jigdo... but 40-50Kbps sounds fast to me :) |
| 04:41.15 | K_Dallas | nsadmin, if I go with CD images, how many do I need to have a basic gnome installation? |
| 04:41.24 | Wyzard | nsadmin: You may find it faster to use torrents than plain HTTP downloads |
| 04:41.37 | K_Dallas | cristoper, I have failed to find any other mirror for the DVd images |
| 04:41.43 | nsadmin | how many servers are torrenting? |
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| 04:41.53 | abrotman | K_Dallas: there is a list of cdimage mirrors |
| 04:42.01 | Wyzard | nsadmin: I downloaded the full i386 and amd64 DVD sets this morning at an average of over 1MB/sec |
| 04:42.25 | K_Dallas | abrotman, i looked at them but at least the 5-6 from Germany, US, HongKong, they didn'T have the image, at least not now |
| 04:42.27 | nsadmin | Wyzard: and you probably live next door to mae east :) |
| 04:42.46 | K_Dallas | checkign more mirrors |
| 04:42.58 | nsadmin | but seriously... what about jigdo? |
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| 04:43.14 | abrotman | K_Dallas: http://debian.inode.at/debian-cd/5.0.0/ .. there's one |
| 04:43.20 | Wyzard | jigdo uses normal mirrors, but those are probably slow from people upgrading |
| 04:43.20 | abrotman | first mirror i checked |
| 04:43.39 | nsadmin | wouldn't that be a less bandwidth-hungry solution? |
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| 04:43.55 | gaintsura | how do I change the DNS servers from the commandline |
| 04:44.05 | Wyzard | It's a little better since there are more normal apt mirrors than there are cdimage mirrors |
| 04:44.08 | benley | gaintsura: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:44.13 | Wyzard | but the mirror server is still a bottleneck |
| 04:44.17 | K_Dallas | thank you abrotman |
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| 04:44.19 | nsadmin | that's what they claim |
| 04:44.24 | Wyzard | torrents are best -- they get *faster* the more people are participating |
| 04:44.29 | gaintsura | benley: hm, I did that, then ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up; and it didn't take |
| 04:44.40 | abrotman | K_Dallas: but Wyzard is right .. try using the jigdo .. it's not torrents so your ISP shouldn't notice |
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| 04:44.53 | nsadmin | what about some kind of jigdo/torrent combination? |
| 04:45.00 | benley | gaintsura: you do not need to do that to change dns servers |
| 04:45.00 | Wyzard | oh, your ISP blocks torrents? |
| 04:45.16 | K_Dallas | abrotman, i have never used jigdo, can i run it under windows if not i would log into ubuntu |
| 04:45.29 | K_Dallas | Wyzard, caps them from 4pm to 2am |
| 04:45.30 | abrotman | K_Dallas: yes, there is a win32 jigdo client |
| 04:45.37 | abrotman | Wyzard: handicap apparently |
| 04:45.38 | benley | gaintsura: you may need to restart individual userland processes to make them use the new resolvers though |
| 04:45.40 | K_Dallas | abrotman, thanks, going to use it then |
| 04:46.26 | nsadmin | naiba just joined #ubuntu :) |
| 04:46.36 | abrotman | nsadmin: so go there and help him .. we don't care .. |
| 04:47.19 | Wyzard | ...and he just got banned there :-) |
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| 04:47.29 | cristoper | K_Dallas: "GNOME is the default desktop environment and is contained on the first CD." (From http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214) |
| 04:47.34 | nsadmin | that didn't last long :) |
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| 04:47.48 | pickcoder | shoulda told him to ask in #freenode |
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| 04:47.59 | srid | why doesn't `xbindkeys` differentiate between LEFT ALT key and RIGHT ALT key?? |
| 04:48.02 | nsadmin | there wasn;'t time :) |
| 04:48.20 | K_Dallas | cristoper, I was just afraid that it needed the 2nd or 3rd CD for gnome but seems the 1st CD would do the basic gnome then, thanks |
| 04:48.27 | abrotman | nsadmin: msg him .. make a friend |
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| 04:49.22 | pickcoder | lots of locales erors |
| 04:49.38 | pickcoder | ~errors |
| 04:49.39 | apt | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 04:49.57 | pickcoder | nice |
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| 04:51.23 | Wyzard | pickcoder: Messages about reverting to the default locale "C" because the configured one couldn't be found |
| 04:51.47 | pickcoder | they're Perl errors |
| 04:51.54 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 04:51.55 | corinth | I want to download an ISO for Debian, but I'm confused as to which image to download. Which should I most likely pick, being an average user with 32-bit architecture? |
| 04:51.57 | benley | feels stupid having trouble finding the lenny archive signing key |
| 04:52.00 | Wyzard | I know the message you're referring to |
| 04:52.04 | Wyzard | pickcoder: When that happens to me it usually means I accidentally uninstalled the locales package |
| 04:52.16 | pickcoder | benley: debian-archive-keyring |
| 04:52.20 | Wyzard | benley: You shouldn't need to install it manually... the release is signed with the etch key |
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| 04:52.34 | benley | pickcoder: that's it. Thanks :) |
| 04:52.35 | Wyzard | benley: and after you upgrade, you'll have the new version of debian-archive-keyring which contains the lenny key |
| 04:52.39 | pickcoder | Wyzard: I probably installed a custom version of Perl on here |
| 04:52.51 | benley | Wyzard: I was lacking debian-archive-keyring. |
| 04:52.52 | pickcoder | without removing the pkg |
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| 04:53.35 | Seb | karsten: apparently kqemu-source and qemu versions differ in sid for me |
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| 04:55.19 | Seb | pickcoder: no it usually means the locale you selected (as listed in your LC_* environment variables) isn't available on your system |
| 04:55.26 | rww | corinth: do you have reasonably-fast and reliable internet? |
| 04:55.37 | corinth | rww: Yes. |
| 04:55.50 | Seb | pickcoder: just "dpkg-reconfigure locales", or select a locale that is available on your system |
| 04:56.10 | pickcoder | Seb: I've done that before and it didn't help |
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| 04:56.30 | pickcoder | once the dist-upgrade is done I'll check the Perl version |
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| 04:56.54 | rww | corinth: I'd go with the netinstall CD, then. The image itself is small, and it'll download the packages it needs from the net. If your internet connection won't work during setup (e.g. if you have an tricksy wireless card), get CD-1 instead. |
| 04:57.28 | corinth | Thanks rww . Maybe I'll see you later. :-) |
| 04:59.14 | cristoper | Also, corinth, if you are trying Debian for the first time, you might want to try a live CD so you can try it out without installing anything: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:59.32 | corinth | Perfect. Thank you, cristoper. |
| 05:00.14 | cristoper | You're welcome :) |
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| 05:03.26 | corinth | I get a 404 for http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/, cristoper. |
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| 05:03.43 | corinth | Nm, it was being dumb. Lol. |
| 05:03.53 | Cope57 | What is the standard live CD, just a kernel? it is only 95M |
| 05:05.06 | pickcoder | nice.. make-kpkg blew up |
| 05:05.16 | Cope57 | maybe I should mention the amd64 standard... |
| 05:05.28 | corinth | debian-live-500-i386-standard is the "standard" live cd? |
| 05:06.07 | Cope57 | Don't know, I was asking myself |
| 05:06.11 | corinth | I had assumed that I'd choose between the gnome and kde live cds, but what is the standard? |
| 05:06.12 | corinth | Lol. |
| 05:06.48 | rww | corinth, Cope57: Standard is probably command-line only |
| 05:06.49 | beardy | When it comes to such things, there is none. Choose what you prefer. |
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| 05:07.13 | rww | i.e., packages with priority "standard" in the repositories. |
| 05:07.25 | cristoperb | Standard contains all packages of priority "standard" |
| 05:07.30 | cristoperb | yes, what rww said |
| 05:07.42 | Cope57 | I see those with Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE and a Rescue version. but what is the "Standard version which is considerably smaller? Is it just the Debian without a desktop enviroment? |
| 05:08.04 | beardy | Without X probably yes. |
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| 05:08.12 | corinth | What version of KDE does the Lenny live CD have? |
| 05:08.14 | cristoperb | Yes, basically. It makes for a good base system to build up from. |
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| 05:09.09 | Cope57 | hmm, sounds nice. I wonder how a standard with a minimal openbox desktop would be. Probably pretty fast. |
| 05:09.22 | cristoperb | It has KDE 3.5.9, I'm pretty sure |
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| 05:10.18 | corinth | I assume that I can install from the live CD if I wish? |
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| 05:12.16 | Cope57 | I do not know. I never used a live Debian CD before. Except that *buntu. |
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| 05:12.58 | Cope57 | I would rather just install it. But I guess trying before installing has a small selling point. |
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| 05:13.37 | d-b | poi in procmailrc -> can i have a * original to ? |
| 05:13.43 | d-b | do * work for sender... |
| 05:13.49 | corinth | I'm used to more bleeding-edge distros. I wanna give it a run before I commit it to a laptop I'm looking at. |
| 05:14.07 | d-b | corinth: try a livecd ^^ |
| 05:14.20 | corinth | Yeah, that's the point of our conversation. :-P |
| 05:15.12 | CShadowRun | xoz hi again, i installed the openbox package, how do i make openbox start? :) |
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| 05:18.20 | cristoperb | corinth, I've never tried it, but in theory you can install to your hd from the live CD (it includes the regular Debian Installer for that purpose) |
| 05:18.50 | drazak | I'm going to be trying that shortly |
| 05:19.08 | rmayorga | squeeze info from dpkg needs an update |
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| 05:19.38 | nsadmin | !squeeze |
| 05:19.39 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 05:19.42 | plsd | I had VirtualBox OSE in Ubuntu 8.10 and I saved my .vdi file just as you should by cloning it. Now I installed VirtualBox OSE in Debian 5.0 and I added it as existing drive and all that but when I try to start it I get this message "Failed to start the virtual machine WinXP". http://pastebin.com/d48dc4d20 (I also had seamless mode installed if that matters) |
| 05:20.01 | rmayorga | hmm, looks ok, having a second though |
| 05:21.14 | nsadmin | perhaps an additional news item should be posted announcing that squeeze is now testing? then link to that |
| 05:21.16 | pickcoder | KDE froze |
| 05:21.18 | pickcoder | meh |
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| 05:22.55 | nsadmin | gbear14275 specific informative concise complete... more people will know if they can help. |
| 05:23.23 | pickcoder | no input driver matching "mouse" |
| 05:23.27 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 05:23.28 | pickcoder | font errors |
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| 05:24.02 | nsadmin | the mull fonty? |
| 05:24.11 | gnufs | hello all |
| 05:24.24 | gnufs | does anyone know where i can find squeeze livecd? |
| 05:24.26 | boodie | hey: I gave "aptitude upgrade" yesterday (about 12 hs.), it's still counting 'open: 275; closed 41693; delayed: 2345; conflicting: 104', and the numbers are rolling ... is this anything normal? |
| 05:24.30 | gnufs | (or if there's any) |
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| 05:26.41 | Gigantic | !status lenny |
| 05:26.57 | Cope57 | aptitude upgrade still used? I thought it was replaced by aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 05:27.19 | rww | Cope57: upgrade still works, but issues a warning that it's deprecated |
| 05:27.25 | Gigantic | WOOOOOOOT |
| 05:27.38 | Gigantic | Lenny released fi na lly! |
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| 05:28.11 | Cope57 | aptitude dist-upgrade is replaced by aptitude full-upgrade last I checked. |
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| 05:29.56 | Cope57 | It is weird not being able to see the big change of lenny coming out. Long ago when Etch was still testing, I changed my repositories to "testing" and I have left it that way. Nothing has broken... yet. |
| 05:29.59 | cristoperb | dist-upgrade still works as a synonym of full-upgrade |
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| 05:32.03 | nsadmin | Cope57 it's about to... your next update will take you to squeeze, which is currently testing, and has/will have an additional 2000-someodd packages |
| 05:32.35 | nsadmin | if you want to stay with lenny, change your sources.list and update... now... |
| 05:32.54 | Cope57 | I updated today already. |
| 05:33.05 | Cope57 | you think it will break? |
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| 05:33.28 | nsadmin | dunno ;) I'm not running it... I'm still on what's now called oldstable :) |
| 05:33.30 | cristoperb | gnufs: I doubt anyone has built a Live CD for Squeeze yet (it's less than a day old!) |
| 05:34.21 | digerati | Cope: I think you'll be alright if you just leave it as testing in your sources. |
| 05:34.31 | gnufs | cristoperb: the old news in debian livecd project says "images for etch, lenny and sid are working. [2008-05-18]" |
| 05:34.42 | gnufs | i guessed sid is today's squeeze line |
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| 05:35.06 | gnufs | probably not that clear cut :) |
| 05:35.14 | nsadmin | at the point of change, squeeze got an exact copy of lenny |
| 05:35.31 | nsadmin | there's been one mirror pulse if that, since |
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| 05:36.49 | roe_ | I thought lenny was the T-Rex... |
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| 05:37.02 | pickcoder | so far the only thing I've found broken is a coulpe of xserver input drivers and fonts |
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| 05:38.20 | pl4yer0ne | roe_, lenny is the binoculars |
| 05:38.40 | Cope57 | Changed "testing" to "lenny" Then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. The status: 938 new in the repositories, but nothing needing upgraded. |
| 05:38.44 | roe_ | apparently, what was the t-rex's name |
| 05:38.47 | spanther | yay Debian 5.0 is so awesome and finally supports all my hardware including my thinkpad notebook :D 5.0 is very nice |
| 05:39.27 | gnufs | is not so happy about including nonfree blobs in the kernel though |
| 05:39.45 | Cope57 | What did they add? |
| 05:39.49 | td123 | spanther: I was also amazed, I had to load some proprietary firmware (wifi/webcam) but that was really easy to do and add it to startup, everything else "Just Works!" |
| 05:39.57 | pl4yer0ne | roe_, just "rex" isnt it |
| 05:40.00 | cristoperb | gnufs, I don't know what that note on the livecd site is referring to. I guess they took down all the old images for the Lenny release. But the Sidux project builds livecds based on sid: http://sidux.com/ |
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| 05:40.21 | td123 | does anyone know the name of the next debian release? |
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| 05:40.23 | spanther | td123: yup :) and since it's debian stable its some of the most stable operating systems |
| 05:40.33 | liable | td123: squeeze |
| 05:40.42 | gnufs | cristoperb: thanks! |
| 05:40.52 | td123 | really? who was squeeze in toy story? |
| 05:40.58 | digerati | The martians |
| 05:41.01 | xoz | the three-eyed monster |
| 05:41.02 | Cope57 | three eyed toy |
| 05:41.02 | td123 | oh |
| 05:41.08 | td123 | lol, nice |
| 05:41.31 | td123 | I think it should be mandatory that all debian users watch toy story :) |
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| 05:41.47 | Cope57 | sid, will never be stable. Good name for that branch... hehe |
| 05:42.11 | td123 | yup, and yet so sad at the same time >:-) |
| 05:42.16 | spanther | i ever liked debian most for its evil bad big stability while i had to fight with many incompatibilities. now everything nearly is just perfect x) |
| 05:42.19 | Cope57 | Toy Story was created using Linux clusters. |
| 05:42.21 | xoz | sid - Still In Development |
| 05:42.34 | Cope57 | As many movies using any CGI |
| 05:42.36 | cristoperb | Picture of Squeeze: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Squeezetoyalien.jpg :) |
| 05:43.12 | spanther | lol eew xD |
| 05:43.13 | xoz | after toy story, cars. |
| 05:43.42 | cristoperb | no, Nemo |
| 05:43.58 | digerati | Monsters Inc |
| 05:44.13 | Cope57 | Titanic |
| 05:44.32 | stoned | what? |
| 05:44.36 | cristoperb | haha |
| 05:44.46 | Cope57 | http://www.linuxmovies.org/ |
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| 05:44.54 | xoz | !titanic |
| 05:44.54 | dpkg | titanic is probably a shite movie |
| 05:45.04 | spanther | hey i luv titanic <.< |
| 05:45.26 | Cope57 | http://www.linuxmovies.org/studios.html |
| 05:45.41 | stoned | what happened to the big bad ass computer animatory thingies |
| 05:45.41 | kingsley | What's the whiziest, most eye catching and jaw dropping linux application to convert windows users with? Beryl? Open Office? |
| 05:45.46 | Cope57 | "Most big animation and effects movies since 2002 are Linux-based." |
| 05:45.48 | stoned | silicon graphics or whatever |
| 05:45.57 | stoned | didn't they have specialized hardware for all that |
| 05:46.02 | spanther | Disney uses Linux? O.o |
| 05:46.15 | stoned | perhaps this offtopic chatter is better suited for #debian-chat |
| 05:47.21 | spanther | which linux tool do they use for video editing and CGI animation? |
| 05:47.24 | Cope57 | 850 in this room and only 845 are idle. |
| 05:47.29 | digerati | kingsley: beryl is now compiz. And yeah, that or perhaps KDE 4 with conky and some other cool stuff. |
| 05:47.58 | cristoperb | kingsley, Open Office runs just as well on Windows, so that wouldn't be very convincing |
| 05:48.15 | blxd | spanther: houdini I think |
| 05:48.16 | pobega | spanther: I think it's called Blender |
| 05:48.36 | spanther | houdini sounds like a mage :) |
| 05:48.58 | cristoperb | Have any feature length films been made with Blender? |
| 05:49.14 | cristoperb | (Besides "Elephants Dream"?) |
| 05:49.35 | xoz | maya |
| 05:49.45 | Cope57 | http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/ |
| 05:50.03 | Cope57 | define feature length... |
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| 05:50.29 | xoz | star wars and many animations are maya ported from SGI unix to linux |
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| 05:52.19 | Cope57 | http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/ |
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| 05:54.06 | cristoperb | Good question. It turns out elephant's dream and big buck bunny are both shorts (I thought elephant's dream was longer for some reason -- I've obviously never seen either) |
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| 05:54.51 | Cope57 | You mean movies like Final Fantasy? |
| 05:55.20 | illumin8 | Hello, currently im using ubuntu 8.04, but with the new release of 5.0 Debian im interested in installing it. I have a AMD 64x2 system but use x86_32 version of ubuntu, would the i386 version of debian be better for me or the amd64? |
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| 05:56.02 | helo | i now realize i should have installed the package maintainer's version of a config file (courier imap) when upgrading to lenny... how can i do this? |
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| 05:56.05 | pickcoder | illumin8: how much RAM |
| 05:56.17 | illumin8 | pickcoder, 2gb |
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| 05:56.43 | pickcoder | unless you plan on doing 3D rendering or something extremely math intense the 32-bit release should suffice |
| 05:57.01 | illumin8 | Appreciated :) |
| 05:57.04 | pickcoder | the -bigmem version will get you over the 3GB limit if you upgrade |
| 05:57.05 | helo | is the package maintainer's version of the config file saved somewhere convenient? |
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| 05:57.35 | pickcoder | illumin8: also.. keep in mind that you can't just "upgrade" to 64-bit |
| 05:57.53 | illumin8 | pickcoder, yea i figured they were entirely diffirent systems |
| 05:57.56 | boodie | Cope57: I should have given 'aptitude safe-upgrade', unfortunately the release notes say 'aptitude upgrade', so I followed these ... what worries me, it has been rolling numbers for over 12 hours! What would happen if I stopped? I guess it would not reboot properly |
| 05:58.25 | illumin8 | pickcoder, if i upgrade my ram (not in the near future) ill probably have to do a reinstall for the 64 bit version. |
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| 05:58.57 | Cope57 | You could Ctrl+C and cancel it, but I hate fixing a mess. |
| 05:58.57 | pickcoder | you can go up to 16GB just fine with PAE in the bigmem |
| 05:59.21 | pickcoder | though I, personally, would probably go amd64 if it's over 8 |
| 05:59.27 | boodie | You suggesting to let it finish? |
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| 05:59.48 | trot | if my laptop has an atheros ar928x wireless card and only works with the ath9k driver, am I going to need to recompile a later kernel to get that support with the new release? |
| 05:59.50 | illumin8 | And does debian set up a swap on install automaticlly? or would i need to manually set one? |
| 06:00.05 | pickcoder | the installer will guide you or you can do it manually |
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| 06:00.27 | pickcoder | it supports softRAID setups and LVM as well in the disk partitioner |
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| 06:00.42 | illumin8 | awsome, im looking forward to this. |
| 06:00.49 | spanther | niiiice. made with blender :D http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Lone_House.jpg |
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| 06:06.57 | cristoperb | helo, there might be a better way (dpkg-reconfigure?) but you can pull an individual file from a .deb with dpkg-deb -X and tar |
| 06:07.45 | boodie | Problem is, I have to go to work & I don't like the idea of leaving the pc on, unattended + I have no idea if what's happening is normal, or it looped in some kind of bug |
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| 06:09.37 | \amethyst | helo: you can 1. figure out which package contains the conffile with dpkg -S; 2. remove your copy of the conffile; 3. reinstall the package with -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" |
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| 06:10.06 | \amethyst | helo: or if you want to replace all of the conffiles from that package, reinstall it with --force-confnew instead |
| 06:10.23 | \amethyst | helo: err, -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" |
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| 06:11.49 | cristoperb | I knew there was probably a better way. |
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| 06:14.38 | helo | cool... thanks |
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| 06:17.14 | Master2 | hi, I am maintaining a debian mirror in my lan using debmirror. Recently, i couldnot update my mirror and i get the error "Release signature does not verify." Is it because i need to add the lenny release key? |
| 06:20.28 | mnguyen_ | exit |
| 06:20.39 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure helo |
| 06:20.52 | enouf | helo: install the configure-debian pkg |
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| 06:21.37 | helo | doh broke my courier imap server upgrading heh |
| 06:21.43 | enouf | helo: btw - the conffile is usually saved right alongside your orig one - it usually has a .dpkg.new or something appended |
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| 06:23.29 | cristoperb | Debian just got "Server Distribution of the Year" in the linuxquestions.org poll (http://tinyurl.com/dec49x) |
| 06:24.43 | enouf | yeah, but most weenies still use IIS :-p |
| 06:24.52 | jdjb | lol |
| 06:25.19 | enouf | and the longest uptimes belong to *BSD boxen .. but their license sucks ass |
| 06:25.48 | samplr | I'm trying to do a network boot, but I'm getting "cannot open dev/console." My root is an nfs mount from a freebsd server |
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| 06:26.04 | enouf | it basically belongs in the "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" toolkit |
| 06:26.08 | Cope57 | 76% of all statistics are useless. |
| 06:26.23 | enouf | 99% are fabricated |
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| 06:26.40 | ttyX | how can i install debain lenny from kde live-cd? |
| 06:26.45 | ttyX | debian* |
| 06:28.13 | ttyX | can anyone please tell me |
| 06:28.17 | enouf | samplr: use the prescribed initrd |
| 06:28.21 | ttyX | how can i install from kde live cd |
| 06:28.32 | enouf | what is a kde live cd? |
| 06:28.55 | Master2 | hi, I am maintaining a debian mirror in my lan using debmirror. Recently, i couldnot update my mirror and i get the error "Release signature does not verify." Is it because i need to add the lenny release key? |
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| 06:29.16 | samplr | enouf: it should be using a good initrd, but I didn't make a change or two to the kernel without making a new initrd |
| 06:29.16 | enouf | Master2: sure seems like a gnupg issue |
| 06:29.31 | samplr | enouf: what did you mean by prescribed? |
| 06:29.35 | enouf | Master2: check with all the links in /topic |
| 06:30.02 | enouf | see if any mention how to update/regenerate/install a/the new key |
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| 06:31.16 | enouf | samplr: i mean debian linux-image-KERN-VER pkgs all come with an initrd that's generated upon installation, and the installer has it's own even |
| 06:31.47 | samplr | enouf: ah. I can't use a default kernel because it's missing the nfs root options |
| 06:33.10 | enouf | samplr: well, altering the /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf file and running update-initramfs (or dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version) to alter the NFSROOT= entry shouldn't affect that. AFAICT |
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| 06:33.45 | enouf | check also with /etc/default/nfs* |
| 06:33.48 | samplr | enouf: that was my thought. is the dev/console error because of the nfs version of it, or an initrd version? |
| 06:34.37 | enouf | samplr: AFAICT, the initrd has the stuff that creates /dev/console and does the pivot_root to real rootfs |
| 06:35.12 | samplr | enouf: ANOTHER error I saw was "pivot_root: No such file or directory" |
| 06:35.30 | samplr | and "devfs: not mounted" |
| 06:35.47 | enouf | samplr: netboot might be broken though :-/ .. not long ago, i heard a need to update the wiki.debian.org/ article - maybe the network console access only |
| 06:35.57 | enouf | ugh |
| 06:36.21 | helo | hrm... if i try to install dovecot, it tells me port 143 is in use, but i cannot connect to it without it being dropped by courier-imap |
| 06:36.39 | helo | i don't even see the courier-imap process running... |
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| 06:36.51 | enouf | samplr: sounds like an old initrd - from mkinitrd or yaird lore |
| 06:36.58 | samplr | hah |
| 06:36.59 | samplr | maybe |
| 06:37.06 | singlewindowuser | Congratulations to everyone on the 5.0 release! How is apt-get dist-upgrade going for everyone so far? |
| 06:37.07 | samplr | the installation is a few years old |
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| 06:37.13 | samplr | (that I based things on) |
| 06:37.31 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt#L114 |
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| 06:38.06 | mischief6 | singlewindowuser, No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. :( |
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| 06:38.46 | singlewindowuser | mischief6: why? |
| 06:39.00 | mischief6 | i don't know, that's what aptitude says. :D |
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| 06:41.11 | LamerC | Hello. I've just upgraded to Debian 5, and it seems mostly successful. I'm having one problem however with python programs using wxPython, any time 'import wx' is used I get an import error |
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| 06:42.00 | LamerC | The 'wx.pth' file is installed in /usr/lib/wx/python but not into /usr/lib/pythonX.Y/site-packages as it was in the previous releases. Is there another way to properly load the path for wxPython? |
| 06:42.10 | helo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:42.46 | helo | well done, i recklessly dist-upgraded my family's mail server without reading any upgrade docs, and after a reboot everything works fine |
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| 06:43.41 | karsten | Seb: Sec, not paying attention... |
| 06:43.54 | LamerC | Well I already reboot once but I guess I can reboot again. During the upgrade it shows justa few packages as 'broken' but now in the manager it seems like they are all fine. |
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| 06:45.20 | helo | night all... |
| 06:45.39 | singlewindowuser | mischief6: what does your sources.list say ? |
| 06:45.53 | ttyX | so there is no way to install from live cd? |
| 06:46.06 | mischief6 | singlewindowuser, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main lol |
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| 06:46.46 | singlewindowuser | mischief6: I'm guessing you understand the problem :) |
| 06:46.56 | mischief6 | i suppose :x |
| 06:47.00 | pl4yer0ne | you actually have "lol" in your sources? |
| 06:47.04 | mischief6 | think i should point it at lenny? |
| 06:47.08 | mischief6 | and no, pl4yer0ne haha |
| 06:47.53 | singlewindowuser | mischief6: "stable" would probably be better |
| 06:48.06 | karsten | Seb: So: you're sorted w/ qemu? I've not used kqemu myuself FYI. |
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| 06:49.02 | karsten | Seb: yes, qemu is pretty easy to use fo rthat purpose which is one reason I pointed you at it ;-) |
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| 06:51.25 | zophy | what name does the testing pool have now ? |
| 06:51.38 | zophy | lenny is stable |
| 06:51.50 | dondelelcaro | zophy: the next release is squeeze |
| 06:51.54 | kamathln | hi .. i just saw /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ somewhere .. what version of debian do i need to get that functionality ? |
| 06:52.10 | dondelelcaro | kamathln: etch's version of apt-get has it, iirc |
| 06:52.11 | kamathln | whups ! i already have it ! |
| 06:52.27 | kamathln | :-) running lenny here.. |
| 06:52.32 | spanther | lol |
| 06:52.47 | zophy | dondelelcaro, thank you |
| 06:53.21 | kamathln | btw, I want to wonder aloud if apt people want to steal apache's idea of /available and /enabled |
| 06:54.05 | zophy | kamathln, that idea has some tickle to it |
| 06:54.15 | kamathln | apt-src-enable eeepc.debian.net would be cool |
| 06:54.20 | kamathln | zophy: i did not get you |
| 06:54.25 | kamathln | define tickle |
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| 06:55.05 | dondelelcaro | kamathln: you can add that yourself if you want to |
| 06:55.09 | zophy | kamathln, tickle == interesting enough to notice |
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| 06:56.35 | kamathln | dondelelcaro: of course.. if it is that simple, i can try.. but i dont have enough time to learn the apt architecture and think of all the corner cases |
| 06:56.46 | dondelelcaro | kamathln: uh... it is that simple |
| 06:56.59 | dondelelcaro | kamathln: just symlink from some directory into sources.list.d |
| 06:57.06 | kamathln | dondelelcaro: and then testing is another matter |
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| 06:57.25 | kamathln | dondelelcaro: ah! why didnt i think of that! |
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| 06:57.43 | kamathln | a few scripts and that should be it .. getting to work right now |
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| 06:58.11 | GSaldana | what is needed on debian that ubuntu has to detect media keys on laptops correctly? |
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| 06:58.30 | LamerC | I'm back. The reboot didn't fix the wxPython problem. When I logged in, my screen was flickering so I had to reboot and log in again. |
| 06:58.34 | kamathln | debeee: hi |
| 06:58.42 | kj4 | hello all |
| 06:59.08 | debeee | hi |
| 06:59.30 | kamathln | debeee: you a user of a eee I presume ? |
| 06:59.43 | debeee | yes |
| 07:00.00 | kamathln | debeee: anything more ? whats your opinion |
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| 07:00.30 | kamathln | debeee: more importantly if you have some blog please share.. |
| 07:00.46 | debeee | i got 901 and broke twice on me in less than 6 months |
| 07:01.04 | kamathln | debeee: like i just found: http://www.array.org/ubuntu/ .. prolly i will find it helpfull |
| 07:01.23 | LamerC | I checked another wxPython package. The current package with lenny (2.8.7) postinst update-alternative but does so to /usr/lib/wx/python. I've checked one from wxWidgets for etch, and it uses update-alternative but to /usr/lib/pythonX.Y/site-packages |
| 07:02.45 | debeee | kamathln: i got it replace the when it broke in the first month and a month later the lcd display stop work and it the lcd replaced |
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| 07:04.22 | debeee | it works fine now, but the keyboard is little too small to type with other i think it good laptop and may a little too expansive.... |
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| 07:05.22 | kamathln | debeee: expensive? interesting |
| 07:05.25 | mischief6 | i have an EEE, haven't tried debian on it though |
| 07:05.40 | kamathln | mischief6: what model? |
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| 07:05.57 | mischief6 | 1000-BK003 |
| 07:06.08 | kamathln | which wifi chip ? |
| 07:06.10 | mischief6 | 10" screen, 40GB of total SSD space |
| 07:06.20 | mischief6 | ummm, i dono :x |
| 07:06.25 | SunnyDP | nyone happy about 5.0 release >??? :D:D:D |
| 07:06.30 | kamathln | i use the 904ha ..came with xp and 160G hdd :-p |
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| 07:07.14 | kamathln | SunnyDP: of course i am but to get to 3 smileys, you are on something .. |
| 07:07.21 | mischief6 | kamathln, it is an Ralink |
| 07:07.30 | kamathln | mischief6: ow |
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| 07:07.35 | debeee | kamathln: i bought it in 10/2008 and i cost me about $500-600 after i upgraded the memory to 2gb. it cheaper now.. |
| 07:07.36 | kamathln | mischief6: okie |
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| 07:07.54 | mischief6 | kamathln, it is wireless N though. :3 |
| 07:07.56 | kamathln | debeee: yeah .. much cheaper i guess |
| 07:08.05 | SunnyDP | hehe :D nah juts happy about 5.0r |
| 07:08.10 | kamathln | mischief6: it is still not atheros :-) |
| 07:08.11 | debeee | about $400 |
| 07:08.22 | mischief6 | kamathln, yeah :< |
| 07:08.22 | pl4yer0ne | evening all |
| 07:08.33 | SunnyDP | do i need CD 1 to 6 to install Debian ? |
| 07:08.34 | mischief6 | wait, i thought ralink did use atheros chipsets? |
| 07:08.35 | LamerC | I'm happy with it so far. I just got it upgraded. |
| 07:08.35 | kamathln | pl4yer0ne: you have internatiional audience |
| 07:08.59 | kamathln | mischief6: err.. no idea.. if it is, enjoy ;-) |
| 07:09.21 | debeee | eeepc 901 works well with debian |
| 07:09.36 | kamathln | 904ha too.. but the wifi driver is a problem |
| 07:09.51 | cristoperb | SunnyDP: CD 1 has everything you need to get going with GNOME |
| 07:09.55 | kamathln | the latest kernel compile also made the mixer a bit wierd |
| 07:09.56 | mischief6 | i need to try debian with my eee ^^ |
| 07:10.06 | debeee | go for it |
| 07:10.09 | kamathln | mischief6: its a must do |
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| 07:10.30 | mischief6 | kamathln, only problem is i must optimize debian for SSD |
| 07:10.35 | mischief6 | which i don't know how to do |
| 07:10.48 | kamathln | eeepc.debain.org? |
| 07:10.58 | cristoperb | GSaldana: Do you have acpi-support installed?? |
| 07:11.03 | mischief6 | Firefox can't find the server at eeepc.debian.org. :< |
| 07:11.09 | cristoperb | oops, one too many question marks |
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| 07:11.46 | LamerC | Um I just want to verify if this wxPython problem is a bug or not. The wxPython package postinst script says: |
| 07:11.46 | LamerC | update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/wx/python/wx.pth wx.pth/usr/lib/wx/python/wx2.8.pth 25 |
| 07:11.46 | LamerC | It seems like it should say: |
| 07:11.46 | LamerC | update-alternatives --install /usr/local/lib/python2.X/site-packages/wx.pth wx.pth/usr/lib/wx/python/wx2.8.pth 25 |
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| 07:11.55 | kamathln | mischief6: sorry http://eeepc.debian.net/ |
| 07:12.03 | deadcat_ | i have raid1 setup, not hot swappable, but if 1 drive goes back, will i know which one, and if i replace, will it just rebuilt? |
| 07:12.26 | kamathln | mischief6: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-eeepc |
| 07:12.44 | mischief6 | are those optimized for SSD use? |
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| 07:13.05 | kamathln | mischief6: if my memory serves me right, yes. |
| 07:13.20 | mischief6 | i'd like to make my SSD last as long as possible :p |
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| 07:13.49 | kamathln | mischief6: dont use swap |
| 07:13.54 | kamathln | add more ram |
| 07:13.58 | mischief6 | lol i wouldn't dare |
| 07:14.11 | mischief6 | my eee pc has 1GB of ram, it works fine in windows :x |
| 07:14.40 | mischief6 | i never use more than 300MB of ram even under xp, but i'd use less in debian |
| 07:14.47 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: you can tell, generally, and after issuing the proper commands it will be rebuilt, yes |
| 07:14.49 | debeee | don't some apps require swap? |
| 07:14.56 | dondelelcaro | debeee: no |
| 07:14.57 | mischief6 | require? :X |
| 07:15.03 | kamathln | almost anything is fine unsless you start using firef@#s with lots of tabs open |
| 07:15.25 | dondelelcaro | debeee: though it's often useful to have if you have long lived processes which have regions of memory which aren't often used |
| 07:15.33 | mischief6 | lol, on my main machine i usually have 35+ tabs in firefox, kamathln |
| 07:16.00 | kamathln | almost anything is fine unsless you start using firef@#s with lots of tabs open / |
| 07:16.09 | kamathln | whups. |
| 07:16.36 | kamathln | mischief6: what do you use your eee for ? as a wireless terminal for your desktop ? |
| 07:16.43 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, unless you've got no disk space, there's really no reason not to have swap |
| 07:16.52 | debeee | what about suspend, does it requires swap? |
| 07:17.15 | dondelelcaro | debeee: yes |
| 07:17.19 | kamathln | debeee: yes.. you can have a swap partition, keep it disables |
| 07:17.27 | kamathln | enable it only when you need to suspend |
| 07:17.27 | debeee | ok |
| 07:17.45 | kamathln | sudo swapon /dev/sdaX |
| 07:17.50 | dondelelcaro | kamathln: there's no point to having a swap partition if you're not going to use it |
| 07:17.57 | debeee | i need to create a script to do that? |
| 07:18.06 | dondelelcaro | debeee: don't bother. Just use the swap partition |
| 07:18.11 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: this is hardware raid1 though |
| 07:18.23 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: then it depends on the hardware raid card |
| 07:18.26 | kamathln | dondelelcaro: he uses a eee with ssd .. |
| 07:18.42 | mischief6 | kamathln, pretty much, for light web browsing, maybe for OpenOffice for school |
| 07:18.45 | debeee | adaptec or 3ware raid? |
| 07:18.56 | dondelelcaro | if you're using an eee with ssd, then you shouldn't bother suspending; it'll suspend to ram just fine |
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| 07:19.09 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: so if i want to test. i can shutdown, replace 1 drive, and just watch it rebuilt during boot process? |
| 07:19.24 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: in theory, yes; depends on the actual raid card, though |
| 07:19.27 | kamathln | dondelelcaro: what abt hibernate? |
| 07:19.31 | kj4 | finally! i got banned from a channel |
| 07:19.33 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: sounds good. |
| 07:19.46 | deadcat_ | so should i dist-upgrade on my server? or wait a week? |
| 07:19.58 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: the usual way you do this test is by ripping the drive out while it's running, but I'm not sure how well that works in a non-hotswap backplane |
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| 07:20.04 | kamathln | well. i'll get along with the scripts |
| 07:20.23 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: ya. this is just the card and the cable, no backplane.. |
| 07:20.29 | debeee | you shouldn't need to shutdown to replace drive with hardware raid. it should be hot swapable... |
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| 07:20.37 | dondelelcaro | debeee: that depends on the backplane |
| 07:20.43 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: took this MB and card from a server. (= to replace my 800MHz desktop |
| 07:20.52 | debeee | yes, |
| 07:21.06 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: which hardware raid card is it? |
| 07:21.30 | debeee | point of having hardware is hotswap ability |
| 07:21.40 | dondelelcaro | no, it's speed, actually |
| 07:21.42 | debeee | hardware raid. |
| 07:21.47 | debeee | that also |
| 07:21.51 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: let me open the case. i dressed up the cables really nice (= |
| 07:21.53 | dondelelcaro | (well, it's one of the reasons) |
| 07:21.56 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: lspci |
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| 07:22.10 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: oh |
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| 07:22.30 | debeee | i work with a lot 3ware and adaptec raid in the past... |
| 07:22.47 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: I know that 3ware cards drive status can all be shown by smartctl; adaptec cards and perc cards require other tools, but they may work with smartctl too. |
| 07:23.23 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: oh. |
| 07:23.46 | deadcat_ | lspci shows RAID bus controller: Intel Corp RAID Controller |
| 07:24.11 | deadcat_ | thats the scsi one i assume. because my IDE one is promise. which just holds my ide drives. |
| 07:24.46 | LamerC | okay I had to hunt it down. for some reason the installer install python-wxversion so I manually installed it to get it working |
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| 07:25.42 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: huh; never played with intel raid controllers |
| 07:26.02 | enouf | that's ot hardware raid |
| 07:26.05 | enouf | not* |
| 07:26.15 | enouf | they will say it is, but it isn't |
| 07:26.36 | deadcat_ | linux only see 1 drive after i setup raid1 in menu. |
| 07:26.57 | deadcat_ | enouf: with the built-in hardware. thats not hardware raid, didnt work on linux |
| 07:27.01 | enouf | give it up deadcat_ and use mdadm |
| 07:27.25 | debeee | anyone know what i need to edit in the /etc/nagios.cfg to get nagios to work with mysql? |
| 07:27.27 | enouf | and hat's not even lspci output |
| 07:27.38 | trifler | does iptabled -flush potentally kill a computer? |
| 07:27.43 | trifler | iptables* |
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| 07:29.19 | deadcat_ | do i use 686-bigmem for dual xeon with 4G ram? |
| 07:29.52 | Wyzard | deadcat_: yes |
| 07:30.12 | deadcat_ | k |
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| 07:30.32 | deadcat_ | this is a big jump from P3 800mhz, to dual xeon 2.8ghz w/ ht |
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| 07:30.51 | GSaldana | cristoperb: is acpi support enabled by default on a fresh lenny install? |
| 07:31.48 | GSaldana | i have a dell xps m1530 and the volume and media buttons are not functional |
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| 07:32.13 | Dracie_ | hi am install debian via debootstrap but I can't seem to get apt to place my kernel images in /boot or in / |
| 07:32.17 | debeee | i meant the /etc/nagios/database.cfg file... |
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| 07:35.18 | cristoperb | GSaldana: I think it is only installed by default as part of the "laptop" task. Run 'aptitude show acpi-support' to see whether it is currently installed. |
| 07:35.40 | enouf | apt-cache search ^acpi |
| 07:36.14 | Dracie_ | i fail i just installed debian via debootstrap or w/e its called to my / partition at /mnt/debinst |
| 07:37.12 | enouf | unless you're using kernel params to disable it, it should be working fine - that said; multimedia keys really have not much to do with general acpi support |
| 07:37.50 | enouf | Dracie_: your /etc/kernel-img.conf determines most of that |
| 07:38.18 | Dracie_ | enouf: yeah I realized that, i installed debian to my current root partition i fail lol |
| 07:38.19 | enouf | Dracie_: or .. you haven't chroot'd / debootstrapped properly |
| 07:38.27 | enouf | wonderful |
| 07:38.30 | Dracie_ | enouf: I dind't even actually mount that parititoon |
| 07:38.32 | Dracie_ | hal did |
| 07:38.33 | Dracie_ | lol |
| 07:38.35 | Dracie_ | =] |
| 07:38.46 | enouf | nice - automounting debootstrap :-p |
| 07:38.47 | Dracie_ | so I'll rm -rf /mnt/debinst/* lol |
| 07:38.52 | Dracie_ | :P |
| 07:39.00 | Dracie_ | it mounted the partition at media/disk so yeah |
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| 07:46.57 | plsd | I have a second hard drive mounted and when I try to move stuff to trash it can't do it so I only have the option of deleting it right away. This started when I deleted trash using another OS. How can I "restore" trash to that harddrive? |
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| 07:49.00 | negge | how do I install the UFW firewall in Debian? apt-get says it's referred to by another package, how do I find out which one? |
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| 07:50.23 | vaq | yay lenny got stable! |
| 07:50.45 | GSaldana | cristoperb: acpi is installed |
| 07:51.01 | enouf | !today |
| 07:51.02 | dpkg | from memory, today is try taking a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 07:51.13 | dzup | soo how lenny its running, slower/faster, heavy/light, etc/etc? |
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| 07:51.47 | enouf | kernels get faster, most apps (especially DEs) get more bloated |
| 07:51.54 | OpenTokix | Lenny is the complete win! |
| 07:52.04 | OpenTokix | Have been waiting for this release since september =) |
| 07:52.07 | negge | dzup: I never used Etch a lot but, I installed Lenny on an old laptop though and it's quite fast (for its age) and perfectly stable |
| 07:52.13 | enouf | (kernel get faster (even though they grow)) |
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| 07:52.24 | owen1 | anyone tried xfce and lxde and can share his experience? |
| 07:52.26 | OpenTokix | I installed Lenny on six machines - fast as lightning |
| 07:52.40 | negge | compared to Ubuntu (both 8.04 and 8.10), Lenny is definitely more light-weight |
| 07:52.48 | OpenTokix | owen1: xfce is nice - but it is a hassle to configure auto-stuff like click a link here and open there etc. |
| 07:53.21 | OpenTokix | must... not...flame... ubuntu.... |
| 07:53.25 | OpenTokix | I have to go |
| 07:53.26 | OpenTokix | *gone* |
| 07:53.37 | vaq | haha word OpenTokix |
| 07:53.42 | Deadboys | Can anyone help me change my FD_SETSIZE in etch |
| 07:53.56 | Deadboys | i edited typesizes.h |
| 07:54.01 | Deadboys | what else do i need to edit? |
| 07:54.01 | enouf | how did you type 6 chars = er 7 (if you include <Enter>) in one second? |
| 07:54.30 | trifler | Hello. I'm getting confused. I'm fiddling around with a computer. What I want is to direct the trafic through my server (2 nics) to the rest of the computers in my dorm. I've installed dnsmasq to handle the ip:s and such. But know I want the computers behind this one to be able to access the internet. Where should I look in order to "direct" the trafic? :S |
| 07:54.34 | enouf | er .. more if you include the pressing of Shift to generate the * |
| 07:54.47 | OpenTokix | enouf: are you talking to me? |
| 07:54.58 | enouf | OpenTokix: take a wild guess |
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| 07:55.02 | OpenTokix | enouf: I dont know |
| 07:55.07 | OpenTokix | enouf: I guessI write pretty fast? |
| 07:55.07 | vaq | Lenny: "Further improvements in system security include the installation of available security updates before the first reboot by the Debian Installer, the reduction of setuid root binaries and open ports in the standard installation, and the use of GCC hardening features in the builds of several security-critical packages. Various applications have specific improvements, too. PHP for example is now built with the Suhosin hardening patch." |
| 07:55.09 | enouf | !try |
| 07:55.09 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 07:55.11 | vaq | I like that |
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| 07:55.24 | cristoperb | GSaldana: What about the hotkey-setup package? |
| 07:55.43 | OpenTokix | enouf: but I really have to go now. |
| 07:55.45 | OpenTokix | *gone* |
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| 07:56.17 | negge | trifler: If you have a GUI on your server it's very easy to share an Internet connection using Firestarter. |
| 07:56.39 | enouf | OpenTokix: well, that "I guess Iwrite ..." sucked - that took 5x as long, and has typos and is only ~3x amount of characters |
| 07:56.44 | AliTarihi | Hi. I'm working on linEAKd to config my hotkeys. I want to know the Hibernate (Fn+f1) Keycode. |
| 07:57.18 | ekke | hi the amd64 release is that för intel 64bit cpus too? |
| 07:57.31 | enouf | ekke: yes |
| 07:57.34 | trifler | negge: I don't |
| 07:57.45 | enouf | ekke: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 07:58.32 | negge | trifler: okay, might be a bit harder then. Atleast I don't know how to do it. It shouldn't be too hard but you'll surely get away easier if you skip DHCP and use static IPs on all computers |
| 07:58.55 | ekke | enouf, ok thx |
| 07:58.57 | enouf | trifler: probably ipmasq pkg |
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| 07:59.58 | enouf | trifler: try debian-administration.org and search for ipmasq (ICS on windows) and iptable articles |
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| 08:00.08 | trifler | enouf: Im just unsure of what i should look for. |
| 08:00.13 | trifler | enouf: okey |
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| 08:00.17 | enouf | maybe even wiki.debian.org and also /usr/share/doc |
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| 08:00.40 | Deadboys | Can anyone help me with FD_SETSIZE its semi urgent |
| 08:00.53 | Deadboys | I edited typesizes.h and its still not allowing me more sockets |
| 08:01.10 | enouf | ekke: if you like 32bit only apps, and don't have more than 4G of ram, you likely want the i386 arch |
| 08:01.57 | xoz | trifler: apt-cache search firewall |
| 08:02.06 | xoz | trifler: and look for pyroman |
| 08:02.13 | xoz | trifler: or shorewall |
| 08:03.06 | ekke | enouf, irun i386 on tjis computer but i gonna try it on my gaming computer to run tf2 and wow so i think 64 wold be better for the ram support |
| 08:03.16 | cristoperb | AliTarihi (and might be useful to GSaldana): https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTesting/Keycodes |
| 08:03.22 | enouf | Deadboys: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/include/linux/posix_types.h |
| 08:03.26 | xoz | trifler: or ipmasq |
| 08:04.05 | debeee | deadboys, meaning? hehe.... |
| 08:07.06 | Deadboys | I edited posix_types.h aswell |
| 08:07.17 | tarzeau | does any of you know World of Goo? |
| 08:07.19 | Deadboys | Still not allowing me more sockets |
| 08:07.38 | trifler | enouf, xoz: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 this and dnsmasq should do it? :S |
| 08:07.48 | trifler | to start with. |
| 08:08.29 | enouf | Deadboys: nobody, myself included, has any idea wtf you're talking about - i guessed |
| 08:09.18 | enouf | and i'm sure you haven't had time to recompile a kernel |
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| 08:10.19 | Deadboys | Im trying to have more users on UnrealIRCD |
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| 08:12.19 | AliTarihi | cristoperb: thx the showkey worked :) But I saw strange thing. my Suspend to Ram key, creates a double key code and twice! Thus my laptop Suspends to ram twice :-s |
| 08:12.27 | enouf | judd: versions unrealircd |
| 08:12.28 | judd | enouf: unrealircd -- |
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| 08:12.40 | enouf | Deadboys: you fail |
| 08:12.59 | Deadboys | How do i fail |
| 08:13.04 | Deadboys | i edited everything im supposed ot |
| 08:13.06 | Deadboys | to* |
| 08:13.10 | Deadboys | and its not working proper |
| 08:13.33 | GSaldana | cristoperb: after i install hokey-setup what should i do? |
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| 08:13.59 | cristoperb | Try your media keys |
| 08:14.17 | cristoperb | If it's still no-go, this might be helpful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting |
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| 08:16.21 | tarzeau | how do i fix my x screenresolution if a game went fullscreen, then changed the res, and ended without restoring the original? |
| 08:17.00 | cristoperb | I'm going to bed. GSaldana, if you can't get your media keys working, remember the debian-users mailing list. Goodnight all. |
| 08:17.02 | tarzeau | ah xvidtune helped once more |
| 08:18.33 | enouf | tarzeau: i just use ctrl-alt-[+/-] ;-) |
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| 08:23.35 | trifler | I've installed dnsmasq on my computer and all my computers on the lan (behind eth0) gets an ip. Now I'm trying to get the computers behind the lan to access the internet (eth1) with the use of iptables and I've used this guide (http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23) but when i try to ping from the machine (ping -I eth0 www.google.com) i get 192.168.1.1 destination host unreachble. Any ideas on why and what I could do in order to be able to acce |
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| 08:24.45 | rmrfchik | what kernel is in lenny? |
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| 08:25.11 | Tapout | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 08:25.29 | vn | uh 64bits? |
| 08:25.44 | rmrfchik | Tapout: /sigh |
| 08:25.48 | xoz | trifler: use ipmasq, or pyroman |
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| 08:25.59 | Tapout | rmrfchik, sup? |
| 08:26.20 | vn | wat, a chix? |
| 08:26.29 | jessie | hey all |
| 08:26.29 | jessie | say i need to quickly unmount / without restarting. how do i do that? |
| 08:26.34 | rmrfchik | Tapout: i want 2.6.28 (for my eeeepc) |
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| 08:26.51 | rmrfchik | jessie: why u need this? |
| 08:26.55 | Tapout | rmrfchik, install it? :) |
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| 08:27.12 | jessie | rmrfchik: To check my drive for errors |
| 08:27.13 | jamesstanley | Does anyone know if /dev/parport0 works in Debian? |
| 08:27.14 | vn | Get:174 http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca lenny/main linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 2.6.26-13 [20.2MB] |
| 08:27.15 | rmrfchik | Tapout: manually build? |
| 08:27.24 | jessie | I believe it is currently mounted as read only as well. |
| 08:27.29 | rmrfchik | jessie: why to mount then? |
| 08:27.44 | Tapout | rmrfchik, you can't be the first to build a kernel on debian ;) |
| 08:28.35 | jessie | rmrfchik: Because, I needed to get the system up to get important data in case my second drive failed |
| 08:28.46 | rmrfchik | Tapout: I want to use system provided kernel.. getting older and lazy |
| 08:29.02 | rmrfchik | jessie: use raid |
| 08:29.37 | jessie | rmrfchik: I do. But, the one drive failed. I am doing a quick and dirty backup before doing much else. |
| 08:30.14 | jessie | so, more than anything, how do i remount a drive with rw? |
| 08:30.16 | rmrfchik | ah.. |
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| 08:30.27 | rmrfchik | jessie: mount -o rw,remount |
| 08:30.38 | jessie | rmrfchik: beautiful. i'll try that..... |
| 08:30.39 | rmrfchik | jessie: but, i think there must be other way. |
| 08:30.49 | jessie | rmrfchik: We'll see |
| 08:30.58 | rmrfchik | jessie: can you write your situation more detail? |
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| 08:33.12 | jessie | Well, I have a raid 1 setup. SCSI. Yesterday afternoon, one drive failed on me. I currently don't have any extra hard drives sitting around. For some reason, my controller didn't want to boot up while having a failed drive, so I created a new configuration that was just the one drive, no RAID. I booted up, but inodes were messed up, etc. so I keep getting errors. Currently, everthing (I have seperate /var and /home partitions) is rw except for /. |
| 08:33.47 | jessie | Btw, rmrfchik, "block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only" is what I get with mount / -o rw,remount |
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| 08:34.49 | rmrfchik | you booted with failed drive as /? |
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| 08:35.18 | jessie | Correct |
| 08:35.20 | xoz | jessie: you should have used a livecd |
| 08:35.38 | xoz | jessie: and mount the drives manually |
| 08:35.49 | jessie | xoz, i needed the server to be up and running as well... i know, not the best.... |
| 08:36.10 | rmrfchik | jessie: why you need root "rw" now? |
| 08:36.20 | rmrfchik | just copy all info and switch to good drive |
| 08:36.33 | xoz | jessie: you cannot fix root if it's broken if you are running it. |
| 08:36.37 | jessie | For some reason imap won't work without rw. |
| 08:36.49 | jessie | can't you go into user mode.... 2 or something? |
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| 08:37.14 | rmrfchik | sure, you have failed driver. what you want from system? to have it running with failed fs? lol |
| 08:37.22 | Skered | Can I figure out what trackepad this Dell Inspiron 5100 has via the Debian 5.0 install? The GUI install has it enabled. |
| 08:37.40 | xoz | Skered: try dmesg |
| 08:37.47 | jessie | lol. no, i just wanna check it one last time. on the last boot, it found no errors. |
| 08:37.50 | enouf | what's a trackpad? |
| 08:38.02 | xoz | Skered: or hwinfo |
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| 08:38.21 | enouf | !what's my hardware |
| 08:38.22 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 08:38.22 | rmrfchik | jessie: to check drive use badblocks |
| 08:38.26 | Skered | xoz: I'm looking at that right now but don't see anything interesting |
| 08:38.59 | Skered | xoz: That's a command that's enabled at a install console? hwinfo? |
| 08:39.03 | jessie | hmm..... sounds good rmrfchik |
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| 08:39.21 | xoz | Skered: aptitude install hwinfo or lshw |
| 08:39.26 | jessie | rmrfchik: and that should return some info? |
| 08:39.39 | rmrfchik | yes |
| 08:39.47 | jessie | nevermind. it's giving me quite a few numbers. lol. that can't be too good.... |
| 08:39.59 | rmrfchik | you checking good or bad drive now? |
| 08:40.05 | jessie | good |
| 08:40.39 | jessie | It's given me probably 20 or so blocks..... |
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| 08:40.50 | jessie | Well, more. maybe 30 |
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| 08:42.13 | my007ms | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.34 | my007ms | server can not access Internet, and i need to install squid |
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| 08:42.48 | my007ms | so i will download the deb and install them manual |
| 08:43.00 | my007ms | which package i need from this page http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=squid |
| 08:43.24 | my007ms | etch-backports or etch (oldstable) |
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| 08:44.15 | macsim`work | hi, php4-mysql is not avalable in lenny ? |
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| 08:44.39 | jessie | damn. just kicked myself out..... :S |
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| 08:45.39 | rmrfchik | jessie: trash drivers. buy new. |
| 08:45.58 | enouf | drive != driver |
| 08:46.05 | jessie | rmrfchik: I plan on it.... very soon. Haha.... Damn drives are goin' out..... |
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| 08:52.16 | macsim`work | anybody know backport for php4 on lenny ? |
| 08:52.32 | enouf | wrong way? |
| 08:52.41 | enouf | judd: versions php4 |
| 08:52.42 | judd | enouf: php4 -- etch: 6:4.4.4-8+etch6 etch-security: 6:4.4.4-8+etch6 |
| 08:52.45 | OpenTokix | enouf: ok =) |
| 08:52.57 | enouf | judd: versions php5 |
| 08:52.58 | judd | enouf: php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0-8+etch13 sid: 5.2.6-5 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3 |
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| 08:53.22 | [reed] | PHP4 isn't even supported anymore at all |
| 08:53.41 | enouf | stew: i think judd might be hiccuping again |
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| 08:54.01 | macsim`work | [reed], it's not possible to get it from another depot, just time to update website ? |
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| 08:54.26 | enouf | depot? where the bus stop is? ;-) |
| 08:54.29 | [reed] | macsim`work: not sure... I was just talking about the PHP team not even supporting it |
| 08:55.01 | macsim`work | [reed], thanks anyway |
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| 08:55.28 | kll | I'm trying to figure out the difference between en_US.UTF-8 and for example, sv_SE.UTF-8. I'm from sweden, so what would be the most correct to use? right now, I'm using en_US.UTF-8 which is working just fine.. |
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| 08:55.44 | anewbie | hi there guys i have a problem with nfs mounting |
| 08:55.47 | anewbie | mount.nfs: 10.10.0.24:/dev/sda6 failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 08:55.54 | enouf | s/depot/mirror (or you might mean 'repo' which is shorthand for repository) |
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| 08:56.00 | anewbie | i try various of sintaxys in /etc/fstab in the server side |
| 08:56.06 | anewbie | but the output is the same |
| 08:56.18 | twisted` | kll: language settings |
| 08:56.19 | anewbie | is there something else that i must do before mounting |
| 08:56.28 | anewbie | what i am missing |
| 08:56.35 | twisted` | kll: e.g. nl_NL.UTF-8 makes my apt go all dutch :p |
| 08:56.49 | kll | aha, I see |
| 08:56.53 | kll | twisted`: thanks :) |
| 08:56.57 | twisted` | kll: np |
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| 09:05.04 | bdelin88 | i am sure this is a dumb mistake i am making, but i just installed debian, and i have started off using ubuntu, anyways i am trying to run a command with my user account i created and i am using "sudo" it then reports: "bryce is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." Is this normal, and how do I add myself...should i add myself? |
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| 09:05.52 | liable | !sudoers |
| 09:05.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, sudoers is You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 09:05.55 | anewbie | bdelin88, edi your sudoers file |
| 09:05.57 | anewbie | in /etc/sudoers |
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| 09:06.18 | bdelin88 | i guess i need to login with root to do that |
| 09:06.47 | anewbie | your guessing are absolutely right :) |
| 09:07.15 | bdelin88 | command line too, looks like it wont let me in through the gui |
| 09:07.48 | anewbie | just make su root |
| 09:07.54 | anewbie | enter your root password |
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| 09:07.57 | bdelin88 | user privilege spec. -> my username? |
| 09:08.07 | anewbie | then nano /etc/sudoers |
| 09:08.11 | bdelin88 | i am in and on the edit page |
| 09:08.12 | anewbie | and then add the sudoer line |
| 09:08.13 | liable | !visudo |
| 09:08.13 | dpkg | hmm... visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers) |
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| 09:08.36 | anewbie | :) or just follow dpkg instuctions |
| 09:08.37 | anewbie | :D |
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| 09:09.50 | bdelin88 | anewbie: i am reading the man page, but i can't seem to scroll up and down lol, i thought it was pg up/dn? |
| 09:10.06 | anewbie | :O |
| 09:10.12 | anewbie | oohh duuude comeon |
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| 09:10.18 | anewbie | just hit enter |
| 09:10.21 | anewbie | o_0 |
| 09:10.22 | bdelin88 | yea i know, i'm learnin lol |
| 09:10.31 | anewbie | i am lame but this.. :) |
| 09:10.32 | bdelin88 | anewbie: how do i go back up lol |
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| 09:10.41 | anewbie | hmm |
| 09:10.44 | anewbie | page up :O ? |
| 09:10.57 | anewbie | strange i have never user back up |
| 09:10.58 | anewbie | :D |
| 09:11.20 | enouf | !pager |
| 09:11.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pager is a text viewer, like more, less, view, etc. apropos pager. |
| 09:11.39 | enouf | !more |
| 09:11.39 | dpkg | more is probably a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to less, but only allows forward navigation through the file (although newer implementations of more do allow for limited backward movement). The command-syntax is: more [options] <file_name>, or less |
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| 09:12.03 | enouf | !less |
| 09:12.03 | dpkg | i heard less is a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to more, but has the extended capability of allowing both forward and backward navigation through the file. Unlike vi (which can also be used to view files), less does not need to read the entire file before starting, resulting in faster load times with large files. The command-syntax is: less [options] <fi |
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| 09:12.32 | SunnyDP | !ipconfig |
| 09:12.34 | enouf | alright - some do !most |
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| 09:12.41 | bdelin88 | this doesn't seem right... |
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| 09:12.48 | SunnyDP | :D |
| 09:12.50 | enouf | er s/some/someone else |
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| 09:13.24 | liable | bdelin88: if your default pager is 'more' it doesn't let you scroll back up. install 'less' and start the man page again |
| 09:14.03 | bdelin88 | liable: thanks! |
| 09:14.17 | bdelin88 | liable: is it normal to have to edit this sudoers file? |
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| 09:14.29 | rdz | hi all. lilo upgrade asks me, whether i want to use the 'large-memory' option or not. how can i tell, if my BIOS is recent enough for this option? the motherboard is from 2002 |
| 09:14.38 | liable | bdelin88: yep, debian doesnt add people to sudoers by default like ubuntu |
| 09:15.11 | bdelin88 | liable: lol...ok where is the guide |
| 09:15.25 | bdelin88 | liable: i thought this would only take a few minutes |
| 09:15.25 | liable | see what dpkg said above |
| 09:15.31 | bdelin88 | liable: k |
| 09:15.39 | liable | it *does* only take a few minutes :P |
| 09:16.00 | enouf | rdz: find out what the large-memory option is for, and i'll tell you |
| 09:16.16 | liable | use visudo to edit the file, add a line user |
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| 09:16.51 | liable | user ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 09:17.14 | rdz | enouf, acorrding to the blue screen of lilo conf installer, it is used to provide more memory for kernel and initrd during boot time. is that what you wanted ot hear? |
| 09:17.15 | liable | that will get you going, but its not really safe |
| 09:17.19 | bdelin88 | liable: yea i did that and i am still getting permission denied.. |
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| 09:17.32 | bdelin88 | liable: i will just read up on it tomorrow, thanks and g'night :) |
| 09:17.35 | liable | bdelin88: you have to edit it as root.. |
| 09:17.45 | enouf | rdz: sounds ok to me |
| 09:17.51 | bdelin88 | liable: yep i got that part, no biggy :P |
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| 09:18.02 | liable | bdelin88: ok, nite |
| 09:18.22 | g00se | Just checking: Debian IS smart enough, to know, after a recent change of stable that a sources entry of "deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free" means the unstable i had before does it not? |
| 09:18.33 | rdz | enouf, would you enable 'large-memory'? |
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| 09:18.49 | Guerin | g00se: wtf? |
| 09:19.26 | Guerin | g00se: you can't convert from unstable to stable. If you have unstable in your sources.list, that's what you're running (and you're in for a hell of a time, because a release has just occurred) |
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| 09:19.44 | g00se | Guerin: Well that's what i mean |
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| 09:19.52 | Guerin | g00se: what's what you mean? |
| 09:20.05 | liable | you know.. |
| 09:20.10 | liable | what he meant.. |
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| 09:20.20 | g00se | I mean is it going to try to get the *latest* unstable |
| 09:20.34 | g00se | i.e. the *new* one |
| 09:20.42 | Guerin | g00se: of course it is. Why wouldn't it? |
| 09:20.51 | liable | there is no "new" unstable |
| 09:20.57 | Guerin | there is no `new' unstable - it changes every day regardless |
| 09:21.02 | liable | sid is sid is sid |
| 09:21.05 | Guerin | just some days it changes more than others |
| 09:21.50 | g00se | Guerin: what surprises me then, is that given versions change, it must normally be an error to use 'unstable' as opposed to say 'lenny' |
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| 09:22.22 | liable | g00se: that would be the case for "lenny" and "testing" sid is always unstable |
| 09:23.06 | g00se | liable: Yes, i see. |
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| 09:23.58 | g00se | In this case it doesn't matter much to me - it's only in a chroot version |
| 09:24.16 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 09:25.27 | enouf | rdz: likely, yes |
| 09:25.37 | Posterdati | please help, my box freezes on activating swap (athlon 1200 + lenny) |
| 09:25.42 | toomasr_ | hi there, does anybody know of a package that would send the administrator notifications when disk space gets low? |
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| 09:26.11 | Posterdati | please help, my box freezes on activating swap (athlon 1200 + lenny + kernel 2.6.26-1-686) |
| 09:26.17 | enouf | Posterdati: you have a resume= option in your kernel line? check your power management scripts in /etc/ |
| 09:26.20 | g00se | In fact, i think i'll make the chroot version into the new stable. Is it best to start again? For one thing: "Linux hpbrio 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 24 16:41:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux" is the current unstable chroot version |
| 09:26.26 | enouf | stop repeating ffs |
| 09:26.36 | enouf | oh .. you appended info |
| 09:27.15 | liable | g00se: yep, start a new chroot if you want lenny |
| 09:27.22 | enouf | Posterdati: boot into recovery mode and comment out your swap partition line from /etc/fstab - reboot - turn on swap after booting using swapon |
| 09:27.29 | Posterdati | enouf: no resume= option |
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| 09:27.42 | Posterdati | enouf: ok |
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| 09:28.53 | g00se | liable: Thanks. Are there any new facilitations for building a chroot version? Is it still debootstrap? |
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| 09:29.15 | lxsameer | what is the testing package now? |
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| 09:29.40 | riz_ | does someone have updated postgrey package? |
| 09:29.47 | corinth | Does Lenny ship with OO.org 3? |
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| 09:29.58 | riz_ | seems there is a problem: warning: connect to 127.0.0.1:60000: Connection refused |
| 09:30.00 | Posterdati | enouf: ok, then? |
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| 09:30.19 | Guerin | !connection refused |
| 09:30.19 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 09:30.33 | liable | g00se: yep, debootstrap or cdebootstrap |
| 09:30.51 | enouf | Posterdati: find out what's really wrong ... enable bootlogd too - /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 09:30.54 | liable | make sure postgrey is running |
| 09:31.16 | Posterdati | enouf: I commented out fstab line but it said activating swap... |
| 09:31.23 | enouf | no |
| 09:31.36 | Posterdati | enouf: yes |
| 09:31.39 | enouf | no |
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| 09:31.52 | Posterdati | I said yes |
| 09:32.43 | enouf | you're doing - or have done something very foolish - and are likely leaving out most of the story .. so no ;-) |
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| 09:34.02 | maligor | how would swap handle broken disks? |
| 09:35.10 | rdz | enouf, thanks |
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| 09:35.17 | Posterdati | enouf: I put a # before the swap line in /etc/fstab, but it try to activate swap when booting in single user mode |
| 09:35.25 | enouf | doesn't matter - unless he's got 32MB ram or something, or the power management shit is trying to resume, there's no reason swap would be activated |
| 09:35.45 | enouf | Posterdati: did it save your edit? |
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| 09:36.16 | Posterdati | enouf: sure :x |
| 09:36.28 | enouf | you're editing the wrong fstab then |
| 09:36.35 | enouf | or your kernel line sucks ass |
| 09:36.41 | maligor | and you're using standard debian boot scripts? |
| 09:36.44 | g00se | liable: Thanks |
| 09:36.59 | Posterdati | enouf: /etc/fstab |
| 09:37.06 | enouf | rdz: no prob - let me know when it blows up on ya :-) |
| 09:37.31 | maligor | except I don't think any of the bootscripts, even the ones in experimental, actually modify swap behaviour like that |
| 09:37.40 | enouf | Posterdati: more story ... less questions .. are you even using debian? are you installing? |
| 09:37.48 | maligor | not reading fstab is rather like a embedded system |
| 09:37.54 | worren | don't know when was the last time i mount a fs to /mnt but it should have been dismounted after i restart the system. the strange thing is that the fs is still in /mnt. this is taking up precious disk space. how to get rid of it? |
| 09:38.06 | Posterdati | enouf: no it was a functioning system |
| 09:38.12 | Posterdati | enouf: with lenny on it |
| 09:38.18 | enouf | no, you're not using debian? |
| 09:38.23 | petemc | worren: how is it taking up disk space? |
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| 09:38.47 | worren | petemc: i would think because of the fs. |
| 09:38.59 | Posterdati | enouf: I've got only debian on my pcs |
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| 09:39.13 | petemc | worren: it would use the same amount of space unmounted |
| 09:39.18 | worren | petemc: the issue is how to get rid of it. |
| 09:39.29 | maligor | Posterdati, you're not using reiser on root are you? |
| 09:39.34 | enouf | Posterdati: is your athlon a k7? the only weirdo thing i can think of is some -686 bug/incompatibility - might try the -486 kernel |
| 09:39.47 | Posterdati | maligor: ext3 |
| 09:39.49 | petemc | worren: its not in fstab? you havent added a mount line to other startup scripts? |
| 09:39.54 | Posterdati | enouf: yes, K7 |
| 09:40.30 | enouf | Posterdati: what kernel did you have prior? and when you upgraded from what to what ... this happened? |
| 09:40.35 | worren | petemc: no, its not in /etc/fstab. |
| 09:41.39 | Posterdati | enouf: it updated several time the same 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 09:41.53 | enouf | that makes no sense |
| 09:41.57 | Posterdati | enouf: no it is happening only now! |
| 09:42.04 | Posterdati | enouf: maybe a broken diski? |
| 09:42.04 | Wyzard | enouf: athlon == K7, afaik |
| 09:42.08 | Posterdati | enouf: maybe a broken disk? |
| 09:42.21 | enouf | shrugs |
| 09:42.41 | maligor | broken disks shouldn't cause hangs |
| 09:42.43 | enouf | Wyzard: yesah, i'd think a 1200 would be beyond the k6 reach ... |
| 09:42.57 | kamathln | Hi, I uploaded apt-src-easy.tar.bz2 to http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/13784/Mb4jDCByVxnHOi9F/apt-src-easy.tar.bz2 . |
| 09:43.02 | enouf | but not by much, eh? |
| 09:43.06 | kamathln | its completely untested code |
| 09:43.08 | Posterdati | enouf: athlon 1200 is a K7 |
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| 09:43.20 | kamathln | repeat: *untested code* |
| 09:43.24 | enouf | ok, how about you answer some questions .. intelligently ;-) |
| 09:43.26 | kamathln | so please review it |
| 09:43.58 | worren | help, anyone? the fs is still in /mnt after it is dismounted. |
| 09:44.18 | enouf | Posterdati: do you mean you've been running Lenny fine for some time, using the 2.6.26-1-686 kernel .. and have upgraded it over time, and only this upgrade it broke? |
| 09:44.18 | Posterdati | enouf: ok, now there's no more activating swap system message on boot rescue |
| 09:44.25 | maligor | worren, does it show up when you type 'mount'?-) |
| 09:44.28 | enouf | ... |
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| 09:44.40 | Posterdati | enouf: no! this update worked for some time |
| 09:44.41 | petemc | worren: is it in /proc/mounts ? |
| 09:44.49 | enouf | really ............... |
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| 09:45.12 | Posterdati | enouf: activating swap file ??? |
| 09:45.20 | kamathln | worren: you mean unmount right? during unmounting, did it give you any errors ? |
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| 09:46.06 | worren | i have 'umount' several times. if i create and use /mnt1, there is no problem. |
| 09:46.14 | enouf | it's fixed now? |
| 09:46.23 | enouf | Posterdati: and what happens exactly? it freezes at activating swap? i know the System time is set right about at that point - are you sure it's not a hwclock/rtc error? |
| 09:46.30 | worren | maligor: it does not show up in 'mount'. |
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| 09:46.40 | WinnieTehPooh | liky hunney |
| 09:46.50 | enouf | Wed Jan 21 14:59:31 2009: Setting the system clock. |
| 09:46.50 | enouf | Wed Jan 21 14:59:31 2009: System Clock set to: Wed Jan 21 14:59:31 EST 2009. |
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| 09:46.55 | maligor | worren, then it's not mounted |
| 09:46.59 | enouf | Wed Jan 21 14:59:31 2009: Activating swap:swapon on /dev/hdd2 |
| 09:47.10 | Posterdati | enouf: now I tried to activate swap with swapon: /dev/hda5: Device or resource busy |
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| 09:47.25 | enouf | you would see the same if only you listened |
| 09:47.31 | worren | maligor: the fs is still there when i do a 'ls /mnt'. |
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| 09:47.37 | kamathln | worren: i guess you had forgotten to mount it in the first placee |
| 09:47.39 | Posterdati | enouf: it freezes on activating swap |
| 09:47.44 | enouf | s/same/similar |
| 09:48.04 | Posterdati | enouf: time is correct from command date |
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| 09:48.07 | enouf | Posterdati: cat /proc/swaps |
| 09:48.10 | worren | kamathln: in that case, there shouldn't be any fs. |
| 09:48.27 | maligor | worren, is it a fuse fs? |
| 09:48.32 | enouf | Posterdati: you have a separate swap file? some dmraid going? ... |
| 09:48.33 | kamathln | what is the device mounted on /dev/ ? |
| 09:48.40 | Posterdati | /dev/hda5 partition 2650684 0 -1 |
| 09:48.47 | enouf | ugh |
| 09:48.48 | worren | maligor: what is a "fuse" fs? |
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| 09:48.55 | enouf | Posterdati: swapoff -a |
| 09:48.55 | Posterdati | enouf: no swapfile no dmraid |
| 09:48.57 | kamathln | worren: whups .. what is mounted on /mnt? |
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| 09:49.04 | enouf | Posterdati: cat /proc/swaps again |
| 09:49.14 | Posterdati | enouf: empty this time |
| 09:49.19 | kamathln | worren: are you insideany chroot ? |
| 09:49.23 | enouf | right - now, swapon -a |
| 09:49.26 | kamathln | worren: are you inside any chroot ? |
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| 09:49.43 | Posterdati | /dev/hda5 partition 2650684 0 -2 |
| 09:49.51 | trebor_dki | hello. i've got an error from an application running under 2.6.18-53 x86_64: maximum amount of separate memory mappings was exceeded - increase /proc/sys/vm/max_map_count. i do 64GB-RAM here - what can i put into there? |
| 09:49.54 | worren | kamathln: how to tell if i am inside any chroot? |
| 09:49.57 | enouf | Posterdati: it works! :-p |
| 09:50.04 | Posterdati | /proc/swaps I mean |
| 09:50.27 | kamathln | worren: no idea about that .. if you dont know whether you are in a chroot, you probably aren't in a chroot |
| 09:50.33 | Posterdati | but on booting (rescue mode) it says that it is activating a swap file not a swap partition! |
| 09:50.35 | enouf | Posterdati: rgrep -l hda5 /etc/ |
| 09:50.40 | worren | kamathln: :D |
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| 09:51.09 | enouf | Posterdati: fdisk -l ; cat /etc/fstab pastebin all 3 of those |
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| 09:51.16 | kamathln | worren: but again.. what is the system ? is it your own desktop/laptop or some remote server ? |
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| 09:51.55 | \amethyst | trebor_dki: do as it suggests: cat that file to see the current setting, and echo a greater setting into the file |
| 09:52.01 | worren | kamathln: it is my own standalone desktop running lenny. |
| 09:52.20 | worren | kamathln: i have just mounted /dev/sda3 to /mnt. |
| 09:52.30 | enouf | Posterdati: how much system RAM is installed? |
| 09:52.57 | \amethyst | trebor_dki: to make the change persistent across reboots, you can add vm.max_mount_count = 131072 (or whatever value you use) to /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 09:53.11 | Posterdati | the first: http://pastebin.com/d72b5c4e4 |
| 09:53.11 | enouf | trebor_dki: not a debian kernel eh? |
| 09:53.16 | Posterdati | enouf: 1 GB RAM |
| 09:53.29 | \amethyst | trebor_dki: oops, vm.max_map_count that is |
| 09:53.35 | kamathln | worren: after mounting , what did you do ? |
| 09:53.40 | worren | i did a /mnt and the fs is listed out. then i 'umount /mnt'. after this, 'ls /mnt' still list out the fs. why? |
| 09:53.54 | worren | i mean a 'ls /mnt'. |
| 09:54.11 | Posterdati | the second: http://pastebin.com/d45b65fa |
| 09:54.12 | enouf | Posterdati: run a memtest86+ on it ... have you messed with the DIMM(s) or inside the case recently? Does the BIOS see all the RAM? |
| 09:54.31 | worren | kamathln: you follow what i last said? |
| 09:54.33 | \amethyst | worren: is the mount point listed in /proc/mounts now (after you have umounted it) ? |
| 09:54.38 | kamathln | worren: was /dev/sda3 already mounted on some other directory when you did that ? |
| 09:54.41 | kamathln | worren: yeah |
| 09:54.46 | Posterdati | enouf: yes, no I didn't open it or playing with bios |
| 09:55.19 | enouf | Posterdati: er .. wtf? /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume |
| 09:55.32 | enouf | Posterdati: your hda5 is in there!@ |
| 09:55.32 | Posterdati | the latter: http://pastebin.com/m6f7dd2ce |
| 09:55.40 | g00se | Should a deboootstrap get the latest kernel image? |
| 09:55.47 | Posterdati | enouf: ??? |
| 09:55.52 | enouf | Posterdati: your initrd now has that in it! |
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| 09:56.01 | Posterdati | enouf: why? |
| 09:56.06 | enouf | lmao |
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| 09:56.21 | Posterdati | enouf: so? |
| 09:56.24 | enouf | because you played with some suspend or hibernate things |
| 09:56.28 | Posterdati | enouf: what shall I do? |
| 09:56.37 | enouf | reverse what you've done |
| 09:56.41 | worren | after i mounted, 'mount' list out sda3. after i dismounted, 'mount' does not. |
| 09:56.43 | kamathln | worren: this is wierd .. probably you need to wait for someone more knoledgable than me .. you can 1) wait and ask here after a while 2) ask on #kernel too 3) ask on #linux 4) hire a consultant |
| 09:56.57 | Posterdati | enouf: I don't know how! |
| 09:57.06 | enouf | hold on |
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| 09:57.14 | kamathln | worren: those were only suggestions and i take no responsibility to whatever happens |
| 09:57.15 | blafa | hello |
| 09:57.17 | kamathln | :-P |
| 09:57.27 | Posterdati | enouf: I don't need hibernate nor suspend stuffs on this pc never used! |
| 09:57.46 | worren | kamathln: ok, thks, anyway. earlier on, you asked if /dev/sda3 was mounted to some other dir. 'mount' would reveal that, right? |
| 09:57.49 | blafa | i got the following error messages when doing aptitude update: http://dpaste.com/121159/ |
| 09:58.14 | kamathln | worren: yeah.. i realized that .. thats why i bailed off :-) |
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| 09:58.45 | kamathln | So anybody wants to review my code ? http://tagz.in/l/7go/ |
| 09:58.49 | worren | kamathln: i will pose my problem again at another time. bye. |
| 09:59.06 | enouf | Posterdati: haha .. easiest is likely to just blow away your hda5 (only logical on that disk) and hda2 (ext'd) and create a new hda as a Primary and use that for swap |
| 09:59.12 | enouf | Posterdati: but .. hold on |
| 09:59.26 | Posterdati | enouf: shall I do dpkg -S to know which file is in a package? |
| 09:59.42 | enouf | Posterdati: just to finish that thought - you'd edit fstab to say hda2 for swap at that point |
| 09:59.51 | enouf | Posterdati: no |
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| 10:00.21 | enouf | it's a .postinst script that does it likely - and when you reinstall or install a kernel |
| 10:01.00 | neil_d | hi! I have a vmplayer runing Lenny (I think). I have a init.d script installed to run automatically, when I do a 'shutdown -h now', it doesn't shut down properly :( when I manually stop my custom init.d script, then run shutdown it does shut down ok. What init.d scripts does debain run when shutting down ? |
| 10:01.12 | enouf | Posterdati: cat /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume (pastebin if more than 1 line - i have to see this) |
| 10:01.22 | Posterdati | enouf: I've got selinux on this box (not enabled) |
| 10:01.34 | enouf | thanks for sharing |
| 10:01.35 | Posterdati | enouf: I'm rebooting the box |
| 10:01.45 | trifler | Erm Is it me or isen't there a way in dnsmasq to show the clients/domains conected? (assigned or what you say) |
| 10:01.49 | trebor_dki | \amethyst: i do not need to reboot - just change the value and restart the application, right? |
| 10:02.10 | kamathln | apt-src-enable eeepc_debian .. how does that sound to people around here ? Easy right ? it would link from /etc/apt/sources.list.d_available/eeepc_debian to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/eeepc_debian |
| 10:02.17 | Posterdati | enouf: now Activating swap went well |
| 10:02.19 | blafa | problem solved. it works. seems like there was a temporarily not available server. |
| 10:02.22 | blafa | bye |
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| 10:02.40 | enouf | er .. above, i meant to say ; " ...and create a new hda2 as a Primary ..." |
| 10:02.44 | Posterdati | enouf: it complains about /selinux mount point... |
| 10:02.48 | kamathln | any Debain devs around here ? |
| 10:02.48 | enouf | ... |
| 10:03.08 | enouf | Posterdati: cat what i asked for, and cat /proc/cmdline |
| 10:03.29 | enouf | you have no selinux |
| 10:03.39 | Posterdati | enouf: RESUME=/dev/hda5 |
| 10:03.41 | enouf | you probably aren't even using debian |
| 10:03.50 | Posterdati | enouf: I'm using debian lenny |
| 10:03.56 | enouf | i doubt it |
| 10:04.20 | enouf | Posterdati: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 10:04.33 | Posterdati | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:04.35 | Posterdati | 5.0 |
| 10:04.46 | enouf | Posterdati: rm that conf.d/resume file |
| 10:04.51 | Posterdati | root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet |
| 10:04.55 | ChrisW | shudders at a new major release :-S |
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| 10:05.07 | enouf | run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 10:05.58 | enouf | and apt-get remove --purge <any-and-all-suspend-hibernate-pkgs-you-installed> |
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| 10:06.22 | Posterdati | Running depmod. |
| 10:06.22 | Posterdati | Running mkinitramfs-kpkg. |
| 10:06.29 | enouf | bingo |
| 10:06.32 | Posterdati | it stopped |
| 10:06.37 | enouf | regeneration of initrd |
| 10:06.44 | enouf | wonderful |
| 10:07.13 | enouf | i don't think you've ever even powered off .. you've been looping in a suspend/hibernate state |
| 10:07.13 | Posterdati | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d5acb028a |
| 10:07.27 | Posterdati | enouf: lol |
| 10:07.43 | Posterdati | enouf: I used poweroff |
| 10:07.49 | enouf | WTF?! (2.6.26-13 was configured last, according to dpkg) |
| 10:07.54 | enouf | oh .. |
| 10:07.57 | enouf | wait |
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| 10:08.13 | Posterdati | enouf: but wait! Yesterday electric power went down! |
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| 10:08.48 | enouf | wonderful |
| 10:08.59 | Posterdati | 2.6.26-13 was configured last, according to dpkg) |
| 10:09.05 | Posterdati | what the hell |
| 10:09.18 | enouf | you tell me you have selinux, but it's not enabled, then you say it freezes on mounting /selinux .. lmao |
| 10:09.28 | loralitilli | hi, i have a problem, i just updagraded from etch to lenny, i saw that i dont need 915resolution anymore, the settings in xorg.conf telling that my laptop has the right resolution but it isn't. I drive an acer aspire 3680 with intel 940/945/950 ... any advice to fix my problem? |
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| 10:09.49 | enouf | Posterdati: run update-initramfs -u -k /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 10:10.02 | Posterdati | enouf: ok |
| 10:10.07 | enouf | once you remove that /resume file |
| 10:10.14 | Posterdati | ok |
| 10:11.46 | adnc | hello, i've had libc-client2002edebian installed, since i had some problems with my imap server i installed libc-client2007b, both are installed, which one of them will be used now? |
| 10:13.02 | Posterdati | enouf: /boot/initrd.img-/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 does not exist. Cannot update. |
| 10:13.33 | enouf | er ... |
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| 10:13.43 | enouf | Posterdati: run update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 10:14.00 | Posterdati | enouf: better! |
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| 10:14.19 | Posterdati | enouf: ok, now? |
| 10:14.25 | enouf | should be |
| 10:14.55 | Posterdati | enouf: I'm removing these old kernels |
| 10:15.09 | enouf | attaboy - leave one other recent one around |
| 10:15.14 | enouf | just in case ;-) |
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| 10:16.01 | cusco | hi |
| 10:16.09 | cusco | I need help, big time |
| 10:16.14 | enouf | Posterdati: might also want to 'touch /forcefsck' and reboot normally (it'll run fsck on your / at boot up) |
| 10:16.28 | cusco | trying to correct grub's instalation |
| 10:16.32 | Posterdati | enouf: ok |
| 10:16.57 | cusco | from a live distro I used grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda1 |
| 10:17.15 | cusco | then I rebooted and grub was there, but taking me to a command line |
| 10:17.22 | enouf | cusco: and what had been mounted there? |
| 10:17.31 | cusco | a debian instalation |
| 10:17.37 | enouf | ... |
| 10:17.49 | enouf | was it /dev/sda1 ? |
| 10:17.52 | cusco | (I am on that live distro right now) |
| 10:17.58 | cusco | a partition on my hard drive |
| 10:18.02 | Posterdati | enouf: I'm rebooting |
| 10:18.05 | cusco | with /bin /usr etc |
| 10:18.12 | enouf | Posterdati: ok |
| 10:18.12 | Posterdati | enouf: let's see |
| 10:18.19 | Posterdati | enouf: post stuffs |
| 10:18.23 | cusco | on that grub command line |
| 10:18.25 | enouf | sure |
| 10:18.25 | Posterdati | enouf: grub stuffs |
| 10:18.27 | cusco | I manually loaded the kernel |
| 10:18.34 | cusco | and manally loaded the initrd image |
| 10:18.37 | Posterdati | enouf: booting |
| 10:18.42 | enouf | !enter |
| 10:18.43 | cusco | and tehn "boot" |
| 10:18.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 10:18.48 | cusco | ok |
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| 10:19.06 | Posterdati | enouf: activating swap ok! now doing fsck |
| 10:19.17 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 10:19.18 | dpkg | \o/ is probably w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 10:19.41 | Posterdati | enouf: checking root |
| 10:19.41 | enouf | shouldn't celebrate too soon ... |
| 10:19.44 | petemc | !factinfo \o/ |
| 10:19.44 | dpkg | \o/ -- created by raf256 <~raf256@ip-2-66.gemini.net.pl> at Tue Jul 12 22:17:55 2005 (1314 days); it has been requested 51 times, last by enouf, 27s ago. |
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| 10:19.57 | petemc | that fool shouldnt have been allowed to create factoids |
| 10:20.00 | enouf | haha raf256 made that? |
| 10:20.16 | enouf | no, he shouldn't - it's his one shining moment i guess |
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| 10:20.34 | cusco | after manually loading the kernel image and the initrd image I just typed "boot" - it booted fine but it hangged |
| 10:21.03 | cusco | it hangged stating: wating for root file system - then after a few menutes it took me to a initramfs command line |
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| 10:21.23 | cusco | where I could mount partitions if I needed |
| 10:21.28 | loralitilli | okay, i checked the xorg.conf and tried a reboot, nothing changes ... |
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| 10:22.05 | enouf | cusco: right - you were dropped into busybox because your initrd/kernel couldn't mount real rootfs |
| 10:22.39 | cusco | but I could mount it manually afterwards |
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| 10:22.49 | cusco | with no problem |
| 10:22.53 | ramanK | what's the most important aspect of lenny? |
| 10:23.11 | cusco | and even chroot into it |
| 10:23.46 | enouf | cusco: what are you talking about manually loading ... ? |
| 10:24.11 | cusco | Im talking that grub didn't boot straight off, instead, took me to a grub command line |
| 10:24.36 | cusco | where I typed "kernel /boot/vm..." |
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| 10:25.28 | toxygen | hi |
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| 10:25.42 | toxygen | i would like to ask, was issue with libperl5-8 rised already? |
| 10:25.50 | enouf | cusco: how many bootable disks are attached? any external? |
| 10:26.13 | enouf | cusco: which disk are you attempting to boot off? and which ones have grub installed? |
| 10:26.23 | cusco | enouf: well yes, I am right now on a live distro on a pendrive |
| 10:26.33 | toxygen | libperl5-8 requires perl-base 5.8.8 which is not available in lenny (as it was superseeded by 5.10.0) |
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| 10:26.51 | toxygen | so basically there is libperl5.8 package in lenny which cannot be installed |
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| 10:27.18 | enouf | Posterdati: done? |
| 10:27.35 | toxygen | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libperl5.8 |
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| 10:29.38 | rubikcube | after the upgrade from etch to lenny, grub seemed to recognize the disks in a different order. This alone didn't surprise me very much. But the names stayed the same. (i.e. (hd1,0) became (hd0,0), but /dev/hdc still was /dev/hdc) strange... |
| 10:29.52 | themill | toxygen: that is a stale file from lenny/updates that will be removed the next time the security team clean up the archive |
| 10:30.02 | toxygen | themill: ok |
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| 10:30.17 | themill | stew: ^^ another stale lenny/updates package for you: libperl5.8 |
| 10:30.25 | cusco | enouf: trying to boot from sda1 |
| 10:30.35 | cusco | enouf: it is the only one with grub |
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| 10:31.00 | rdz | hi all. i just upgraded from lenny and haven't rebooted yet. in order to not lock me out, i want to be sure, that rebbooting is safe. in lilo.conf there are still references to /dev/hda and /dev/hda1. is it safe to replace those by their respective UUID names? |
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| 10:31.47 | Arrowmaster | grr i had APT::Default-Release "testing"; set on my testing/unstable mix box and after i did aptitude update it now wants to upgrade a bunch of packages to unstable, i changed "testing" to "lenny" but how can i make aptitude forget about wanting to upgrade the 100+ packages to unstable |
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| 10:32.19 | enouf | cusco: install grub into the MBR and be done with it |
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| 10:32.39 | cusco | mbr is /dev/sda0 ? |
| 10:32.46 | enouf | cusco: there was no need to mount / on /mnt/sda1 or whatever |
| 10:32.51 | themill | Arrowmaster: default-release can only be a release version not a codename. See man apt.conf |
| 10:32.52 | enouf | cusco: no, sda |
| 10:33.13 | enouf | cusco: make sure that's the correct disk |
| 10:33.58 | cusco | enouf: it is but I get this eeeeerror: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 10:34.04 | enouf | themill: oooo ... Lenny is a codename? :-P |
| 10:34.16 | Arrowmaster | themill: ah thanks, now i can go about trying to safely upgrade back to testing |
| 10:34.18 | enouf | cusco: you're not doing it correctly |
| 10:34.30 | cusco | let me paste to pastebin, hold |
| 10:34.46 | enouf | don't bother - get off of ubuntu |
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| 10:34.58 | enouf | and boot the debian cd into rescue mode |
| 10:35.14 | themill | Arrowmaster: if you've now got sane pinning and/or a sensible setting for default release, it should work fine. |
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| 10:35.31 | rubikcube | rdz: I don't know about lilo, but at least /dev/disk/by-uuid/... should be pretty safe. And as long as you still have an older kernel there, there's not much that could go wrong |
| 10:35.36 | cusco | this is not ubuntu, my debian net-install cd is damaged |
| 10:35.55 | rdz | rubikcube, thanks |
| 10:36.00 | cusco | that is what I get: http://rafb.net/p/dSkXiI96.html |
| 10:36.28 | enouf | rdz: why don't you test just the non-root partitions |
| 10:37.16 | enouf | although .. hehe - the initrd is what allows for UUID and LABEL names in grub root= lines, afaik |
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| 10:38.24 | rdz | enouf, what do you mean? |
| 10:38.49 | enouf | cusco: you don't do it from xterm, nor a console, you do it from a grub shell |
| 10:38.55 | enouf | find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 10:39.11 | enouf | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 10:39.16 | rubikcube | rdz: if you have physical access to the machine (and depend on it to reboot proberly and to provide ssh), there are no unsolvable problems |
| 10:39.30 | rubikcube | *...and DON'T depend... |
| 10:39.34 | rdz | rubikcube, i don't have physical access |
| 10:39.36 | enouf | rdz: ignore me - it's a bit too much to explain .. and i'm not 100% |
| 10:40.05 | rdz | rubikcube, i _need_ ssh to be started after reboot, otherwise i am screwed |
| 10:40.18 | enouf | rdz: and, i'm not sure about anything LiLo does |
| 10:40.27 | rdz | rubikcube, i guess, if i leave /dev/hda in lilo.cong, it won't be able to boot, would it? |
| 10:40.27 | rubikcube | rdz: then take more caution, I had to carry a monitor and keyboard to my router yesterday :) |
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| 10:40.42 | rdz | rubikcube, :-( |
| 10:40.52 | rdz | rubikcube, was it a long journey? |
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| 10:41.04 | rubikcube | no, just the other floor in this house |
| 10:41.06 | jelly-home | rubikcube: thankfully lcd monitors are light! |
| 10:41.09 | rdz | rubikcube, hehe.. ok. |
| 10:41.11 | enouf | haha @ "carry a monitor" |
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| 10:41.14 | rubikcube | jelly-home: yep :) |
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| 10:41.29 | enouf | not that light :-p |
| 10:41.42 | rdz | is there a way to test current lilo.conf? |
| 10:41.45 | rubikcube | that lcd monitor was old, small, and thus light |
| 10:41.50 | rdz | running lilo doens't show errors |
| 10:41.51 | enouf | my 17" weighs a ton ... the base is a friggin monster |
| 10:41.53 | lostson | whats a good ebook reader ? |
| 10:42.20 | jelly-home | rdz: lilo -t tests for syntax. if you already ran it and it didn't complain, -t will pass as well |
| 10:42.24 | enouf | much less bulkier though ... and easier to carry |
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| 10:42.39 | rbanffy | Hi folks. Yesterday I failed miserably when trying to install Lenny on an IBM PCServer 330 with a ServeRAID SCSI controller. The installed booted from the CD but then, when looking for packages, refused to acknowledge the CD drive where the disk was. Any tips? |
| 10:42.40 | Arrowmaster | themill: yeah i changed it to stable and it worked, now im doing the instructions for etch->lenny except doing lenny->squeeze instead |
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| 10:42.53 | rubikcube | rdz: the last time I used lilo was ~7 years ago, so I won't answer because I don't know the details, but grub behaved a bit strange yesterday ;) |
| 10:43.09 | rbanffy | Oops... "the installer booted from..." |
| 10:43.26 | rdz | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 10:44.08 | Kohvihoor | if i upgrade etch to lenny, will my configuration files stay intact or will they be overwritten? |
| 10:44.12 | themill | dpkg: tell Arrowmaster about lenny->squeeze |
| 10:44.39 | eightfold | hi! which image should i download if i want a basic apache/ftp/mysql box? i don't want the cd to install any files off the the internet. is debian-live-500-i386-standard.iso the one to get? |
| 10:44.57 | rdz | tries to reboot... ttyl |
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| 10:45.23 | alcohol | tries? |
| 10:45.26 | enouf | eightfold: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 10:45.27 | themill | Arrowmaster: there should be essentially nothing to do for lenny->squeeze. My suggestion to you would be to get rid of all the non-squeeze lines from your sources.list and then complete the upgrade. Following that, use some pinning to select squeeze. But since squeeze is likely to be a bit exciting for the next few months, this is a case of IYHTAYS. |
| 10:45.29 | alcohol | what? is his computer gonna fight back? |
| 10:45.29 | Arrowmaster | themill: meh safe-upgrade is already running, full-upgrade is next then ill be done |
| 10:46.11 | Arrowmaster | i dont have any pinning just default-release set |
| 10:47.08 | jelly-home | !wtf IYHTAYS |
| 10:47.08 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what IYHTAYS means... |
| 10:47.08 | jelly-home | you and me both, dpkg |
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| 10:47.08 | enouf | If you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 10:47.08 | themill | !IYHTAYS |
| 10:47.08 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 10:47.23 | jelly-home | enouf: no need to be rude! Just say what it means! |
| 10:47.30 | eightfold | hmm |
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| 10:47.33 | enouf | wrong nick! :-P |
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| 10:48.12 | jelly-home | hunts for Iyhtaysauruses |
| 10:48.18 | AliTarihi | I want to turn off the linEAKd OSD. what should I do? |
| 10:48.20 | enouf | heh |
| 10:48.37 | enouf | !wtf linEAKd |
| 10:48.39 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what linEAKd means... |
| 10:48.59 | enouf | you and me both, dpkg |
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| 10:49.42 | enouf | wanders off looking for linEAKdsauruses |
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| 10:50.54 | AliTarihi | enouf: ;) |
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| 10:52.37 | Kohvihoor | can anyone link me to building debian cd? |
| 10:53.04 | rdz | rubikcube, boot failed... i have to go there ..:-( |
| 10:53.28 | enouf | rdz: did you try using uuids? |
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| 10:53.41 | enouf | (curious) |
| 10:53.53 | enouf | but that sucks |
| 10:55.14 | rbanffy | Hi folks. Yesterday I failed miserably when trying to install Lenny on an IBM PCServer 330 with a ServeRAID SCSI controller. The installer booted from the CD but then, after a couple questions, when looking for packages, it refused to acknowledge the CD drive where the disk was. Any tips? What module should I "modprobe"? |
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| 10:56.44 | epsilon | is the drive mounted? |
| 10:57.11 | epsilon | and if nothing works - install minimum etch and upgrade |
| 10:57.21 | rdz | enouf, yeah |
| 10:57.36 | rubikcube | rdz: you don't know yet if boot failed or if it was "just" the network |
| 10:57.47 | rdz | enouf, i don't have any clue, where it failed.. it might be something completely different |
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| 10:57.58 | enouf | rdz: righto - thought i'd ask |
| 10:58.15 | rdz | rubikcube, what do you mean by 'just the network'? are there some issue with network? |
| 10:58.38 | rubikcube | rdz: here I ran into a network card driver problem on upgrade as well :( |
| 10:58.48 | rdz | rubikcube, i see |
| 10:59.12 | rdz | rubikcube, it doesn't matter for me, what the reason is, the effect is: i have to go there |
| 10:59.18 | rubikcube | It used to be fixed before 2.6.26 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515533 |
| 10:59.20 | rubikcube | :) |
| 10:59.23 | rubikcube | true indeed |
| 11:00.08 | enouf | rdz: but narrowing in on the issue (if you could) might help further headaches once you get there - like bring with you some spare hardware parts ;-) |
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| 11:00.36 | rdz | enouf, ok.. what do you think woul dbe useful? networking cards? |
| 11:01.00 | enouf | rdz: how'd you like to show up and figure out, that it's easier to toss in an intel pro card, instead of dicking around with firmware and binary blobs |
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| 11:01.05 | rdz | how comes, that there is less hardware support in lenny than in etch? this doens't make sense to me |
| 11:01.34 | enouf | rdz: it's not as cut and dry as that - but it's mainly wifi shit ;-) |
| 11:02.05 | rdz | enouf, ah i see.. there is no wifi involved in that machine, luckily |
| 11:02.15 | enouf | and video cards, and anything requiring firmware - but ofcourse Lenny's .26 supports newer hardware than Etch .18 did |
| 11:02.31 | enouf | the shit wasn't even made yet in April 07 |
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| 11:04.20 | kamathln | so anybody reviewed my apt-src-easy scripts ? |
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| 11:04.26 | rubikcube | do you have internet access when you are at the machine? then don't worry and ask again if you can't immediately find a solution :) |
| 11:04.39 | enouf | rdz: i'm just saying - if you show up at say 11pm, and find out at 1am you need a piece of hardware (or it would make it so much easier), ...guess how pissed you'll be if no MalWarts are near, or don't have what you need -- and guess where you're sleeping :-P |
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| 11:06.16 | kamathln | I think I need to say Hi |
| 11:06.19 | rdz | enouf, i see. thanks |
| 11:06.20 | kamathln | Hi everybody |
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| 11:06.49 | FragtioN | anyone ever had a problem signing into msn messenger when behind a linux firewall (debian) that's using normal ipv4 forwarding + masqueraded pppoe ppp iface ? |
| 11:06.53 | rdz | enouf, the machine doesn't use almost any fancy hardware.. the main problem is getting the key to the server room |
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| 11:07.15 | kamathln | ping |
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| 11:07.21 | cusco | pong |
| 11:07.22 | enouf | rdz: now you're thinkin :-) |
| 11:07.24 | boka | w00t |
| 11:07.28 | enouf | paddle |
| 11:07.33 | boka | hi enouf |
| 11:07.42 | rdz | enouf, yeah...:-) |
| 11:07.51 | kamathln | anybody wants to review my apt-src-easy scripts ? |
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| 11:11.08 | rdz | how about a 'will-my-machine-reboot-with-current-configuration' script? i really don't know ,how i could have taken care of more precautions.. and still there was no reliable way for me to test. i had to jump in the cold water. |
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| 11:12.06 | cusco | enouf: I installed grub fine now |
| 11:12.23 | cusco | but I don't have a /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 11:12.54 | enouf | rdz: well .. grub has a 'fallback' mechanism, don't know about lilo |
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| 11:13.17 | enouf | cusco: grub2? |
| 11:13.27 | rdz | enouf, grub doesn't run on this machine... for a reason that i cannot remember.. it's been years, when i set it up |
| 11:13.34 | cusco | it used to be |
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| 11:13.42 | ik_ | hello |
| 11:13.44 | cusco | the background image is also gone |
| 11:13.59 | cusco | but well I reinstalled it with grub2 too so yes I guess |
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| 11:14.25 | rubikcube | cusco: does it find the boot partition at least? |
| 11:14.31 | ik_ | i would like to install the lenny live system. how do i fire up the installation from a live system? |
| 11:14.39 | cusco | yes, it boots |
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| 11:14.58 | cusco | doesn't it use a menu.lst tho? |
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| 11:15.16 | kaduk | Hi |
| 11:15.20 | kaduk | how to set up pulse audio? |
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| 11:16.06 | enouf | rdz: sounds like you have either some proprietary hardware raid controller - or lvm on / and /boot with maybe no initrd, ... or certain mdadm modes with / on it .. |
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| 11:16.33 | mrglinux | please introduce a yahoo messenger client for command line |
| 11:16.44 | enouf | bitlbee ? |
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| 11:16.57 | enouf | !pulseaudio |
| 11:17.01 | enouf | !pulse |
| 11:17.07 | enouf | !installit |
| 11:17.08 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 11:17.18 | ik_ | !installit |
| 11:17.19 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 11:17.20 | enouf | !listvals pulseaudio |
| 11:17.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'pulseaudio' by value returned no results. |
| 11:17.28 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:18.02 | enouf | ik_: you can /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 11:18.14 | ik_ | enouf: thanks |
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| 11:18.31 | enouf | ik_: try #debian-live ? |
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| 11:18.48 | ik_ | exit |
| 11:18.52 | enouf | ik_: /msg dpkg live |
| 11:19.14 | carpii | im new to debian (from ubuntu) and wondering how to install sun jdk please? |
| 11:19.21 | enouf | why do people need to /quit one channel to /join another? mind-boggling |
| 11:19.27 | carpii | a guide im reading says install java-package, but its not found |
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| 11:19.54 | enouf | !java |
| 11:19.55 | dpkg | it has been said that java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java |
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| 11:20.37 | carpii | !install java |
| 11:20.38 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 11:21.40 | carpii | thanks enouf |
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| 11:21.59 | cusco | enouf: sorry if I am being a pain, but doen't grub2 brings a menu.lst ? |
| 11:22.36 | carpii | !lenny |
| 11:22.36 | dpkg | [lenny] the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>. |
| 11:25.05 | TwistOfFate | so what is the new name for testing? |
| 11:25.16 | nsadmin | squeegy |
| 11:25.27 | nsadmin | err |
| 11:25.32 | nsadmin | squeewee |
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| 11:25.38 | nsadmin | no that's not it either |
| 11:25.41 | nsadmin | squeeze |
| 11:25.52 | cusco | it squeezes trough |
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| 11:25.54 | cusco | :p |
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| 11:26.16 | TwistOfFate | squeeze |
| 11:26.17 | TwistOfFate | hmm |
| 11:27.01 | mrglinux | i instaleed bitlbee but it is just in root user |
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| 11:28.20 | rdz | enouf, i have lvm setup,but only for the /home |
| 11:28.29 | rdz | enouf, why can this be a problem? |
| 11:28.43 | enouf | cusco: no menu.lst, iirc |
| 11:29.14 | enouf | cusco: see #grub .. i think you pass options in /etc/grub.conf and /etc/default/grub* |
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| 11:29.49 | nsadmin | rdz: well if you have other lvm partitions, you can shrink one and grow another |
| 11:29.50 | cusco | gotcha enouf |
| 11:29.54 | enouf | might need to install --modules or some shit cusco |
| 11:29.55 | cusco | thanks |
| 11:30.11 | enouf | cusco: enbug.grub.org |
| 11:30.13 | enouf | np |
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| 11:30.48 | enouf | gah! |
| 11:30.50 | enouf | cusco: http://grub.enbug.org |
| 11:30.53 | corinth | I don't suppose that anyone knows of a nice visual guide for introduction to Lenny? :-) |
| 11:30.57 | rdz | nsadmin, the discussion was about why my system is not rebooting after upgrade. i don't want to change or touch the lvm partitions |
| 11:31.15 | rdz | nsadmin, or did i misunderstand what you were saying? |
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| 11:32.29 | cusco | ah |
| 11:32.32 | cusco | ok, thanks |
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| 11:33.43 | carpii | years ago, in DOS there used to be a setting to allow 50 lines in terminal text mode, instead of larger 25 line text. Im wondering if theres something similar in linux? |
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| 11:34.21 | enouf | carpii: boot using vga=791 or similar |
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| 11:35.20 | carpii | oh awesome, thanks :) |
| 11:35.44 | enouf | if you boot with vga=ask or something, you can select from ~10 or so choices, iirc - but passing a decimal of 791, or hex 0x319 or whatever it is, will give you 1024x768x16bit |
| 11:35.55 | carpii | whats the 791 referring to? |
| 11:36.03 | enouf | decimal of the hex |
| 11:36.11 | carpii | whats the hex referring to :p |
| 11:36.13 | enouf | !fbcon |
| 11:36.13 | dpkg | fbcon is, like, a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution> |
| 11:36.17 | carpii | just a mode id ? |
| 11:36.19 | enouf | !fbcon resolution |
| 11:36.20 | dpkg | i heard fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 11:36.31 | enouf | carpii: yeah - vga tables |
| 11:36.37 | carpii | ok thanks |
| 11:36.56 | enouf | carpii: find Framebuffer articles on tldp.org |
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| 11:38.53 | enouf | carpii: you append it to your kernel line |
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| 11:39.09 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.14 | enouf | for example |
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| 11:42.57 | FragtioN | Anyone know why I can't sign into msn messenger when behind a debian gw that's using normal ipv4 forwarding + NAT [masq] pppoe? Pretty much everything else works . If i dial up on the pc itself or use another linux-based router (wrt54g) it lets me log in |
| 11:42.58 | Posterdati | enouf: blocked! |
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| 11:45.34 | enouf | Posterdati: what!@? |
| 11:46.01 | jmut | how can I search for filename and not packagename. I am trying to figure out where curl.h is but couldn find it in curl package |
| 11:46.09 | petemc | jmut: apt-file |
| 11:46.11 | enouf | !apt-file |
| 11:46.11 | dpkg | i heard apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
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| 11:46.30 | avtolfm | jmut, or use http://packages.debian.org/file:curl.h |
| 11:46.46 | avtolfm | jmut, and it probably is in curl-dev or something similarly named |
| 11:46.46 | jmut | great. thank you all |
| 11:46.54 | Posterdati | enouf: during loading modules |
| 11:47.04 | enouf | what about it? |
| 11:47.10 | Posterdati | ctrl + c |
| 11:47.14 | Posterdati | blocked! |
| 11:47.17 | enouf | !enter |
| 11:47.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 11:47.22 | Posterdati | no activity for 45 minutes |
| 11:47.22 | carpii | what are the main reasons someone would choose debian over ubuntu? |
| 11:47.25 | enouf | Posterdati: what!@? |
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| 11:48.03 | enouf | carpii: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 11:48.50 | carpii | i understand, but if ubuntu is based on debian, doesnt it also inherit all of these reasons too?> |
| 11:49.00 | enouf | no! |
| 11:49.11 | carpii | oic |
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| 11:49.58 | enouf | Posterdati: /msg dpkg sysrq |
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| 11:52.11 | DrFrasierCrane | why there's no libserial package for debian ? |
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| 11:53.44 | osFrenchDude | Hi, Guys. I'd like to encode some vobs to mkv -- (*)264 and so far dvdrip does not seem to know it. Is it possible to do that, what should I install to do it, please.. |
| 11:54.35 | osFrenchDude | is h264enc enough ?? |
| 11:54.51 | JyZyXEL | osFrenchDude maybe mencoder or ffmpeg? |
| 11:54.58 | JyZyXEL | not really debian question |
| 11:54.58 | alcohol | osFrenchDude: perian? x: |
| 11:55.01 | alcohol | oh wait |
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| 11:55.04 | alcohol | this is debian |
| 11:55.06 | alcohol | ignore me |
| 11:55.08 | alcohol | -_- |
| 11:55.14 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 11:55.27 | osFrenchDude | JyZyXEL: got that installed already |
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| 11:55.34 | JyZyXEL | go to their channel then |
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| 11:56.35 | osFrenchDude | JyZyXEL: you were right ffmpeg and then h264 |
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| 11:58.49 | tux91 | Hello everybody. Did I get that right that there are no bugs in the software for lenny? |
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| 12:00.35 | xittum | tux91: all software got bugs |
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| 12:01.13 | tux91 | xittum: but lenny is like extremely stable right? |
| 12:01.16 | Posterdati | enouf: reboot was ok now |
| 12:01.23 | xittum | tux91: yep! |
| 12:01.23 | Posterdati | enouf: very trange |
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| 12:01.45 | tux91 | xittum: there are no critical bugs? |
| 12:01.55 | tux91 | xittum: is it stabler than ubuntu? |
| 12:02.08 | d-b | tux91: try for your self |
| 12:02.11 | xittum | tux91: try it! |
| 12:02.13 | xittum | hehe |
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| 12:03.05 | tux91 | cause i looked at the graphs that show release-critical bugs and it showed a lot of them |
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| 12:04.00 | carpii | tux, read the release notes, i imagine it lists known issues there |
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| 12:08.53 | shuge | Is someone Chinese user here ? |
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| 12:13.00 | Eulex | !cn |
| 12:13.00 | dpkg | cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 12:13.22 | liable | he be gone |
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| 12:14.04 | Eulex | I be slow |
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| 12:20.25 | dob1 | what is the name of the new testing? |
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| 12:21.42 | sep | squeeze |
| 12:22.07 | dob1 | from toy story too? |
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| 12:24.32 | eagle1 | hi ppl |
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| 12:24.41 | eagle1 | i'm going to upgrade a 4 to 5 |
| 12:24.50 | eagle1 | is a live server. any know issue? |
| 12:25.06 | liable | !lenny release notes |
| 12:25.06 | dpkg | from memory, lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask about <i-g>. |
| 12:25.10 | dob1 | anyway trying to upgrade from etch to lenny i get a problem with the keys http://rafb.net/p/D2eY6e73.html |
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| 12:28.32 | Uplift1 | hello |
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| 12:29.53 | Panchito | is ok to leave the sources.list to "lenny main" instead of "stable main" or it does not make a difference, tia.. |
| 12:30.14 | E-bola | best to use lenny if u ask me |
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| 12:30.16 | eagle1 | Panchito, i think that's no difference |
| 12:30.17 | sep | dob1, ofcourse |
| 12:30.17 | rubikcube | it shouldn't make a difference for quite some time |
| 12:30.24 | eagle1 | i use the name of the release |
| 12:30.49 | rubikcube | it will however when the next release becomes stable |
| 12:30.52 | E-bola | its a big difference |
| 12:30.55 | E-bola | if u use stable |
| 12:31.01 | E-bola | once a new stable is released, it will be used |
| 12:31.10 | E-bola | which is probably not what you want |
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| 12:31.42 | Panchito | I prefer the stable sources but don't want to use 4.0 |
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| 12:32.10 | nsadmin | howbout 2.0? |
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| 12:33.30 | nsadmin | Panchito so if you want lenny, then use lenny |
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| 12:34.01 | Stanlin1 | Hello, help, where to download the |
| 12:34.09 | Stanlin1 | net install for lenny |
| 12:34.47 | nsadmin | do you run debian now? |
| 12:35.16 | Stanlin1 | depends on the comp i am |
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| 12:35.40 | nsadmin | which one do you want lenny? |
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| 12:35.52 | Stanlin1 | nsadmin: debian 5 ultimate |
| 12:36.09 | nsadmin | and which computer do you want it on |
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| 12:41.56 | Stanlin2 | Help, if Lenny 5.0 is stable, what is the unestable name? |
| 12:42.04 | Arrowmaster | sid |
| 12:42.12 | Arrowmaster | sid is always unstable |
| 12:42.28 | Stanlin2 | Arrowmaster: sorry, i meant , testing, |
| 12:42.34 | Arrowmaster | squeeze |
| 12:42.41 | filipe | Debian SID is aways in development |
| 12:42.41 | eagle1 | the name of the unstable will not change |
| 12:42.46 | Stanlin2 | Arrowmaster: squeeze? |
| 12:42.48 | eagle1 | the next stable is squeeze |
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| 12:43.05 | Stanlin2 | squeeze = testing |
| 12:43.08 | Stanlin2 | lenny = stable |
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| 12:43.16 | filipe | yeah |
| 12:43.21 | Tapout | who picked out the name squeeze |
| 12:43.24 | Tapout | what a dumb name, no offense |
| 12:43.41 | Stanlin2 | abrotman |
| 12:43.44 | Stanlin2 | lol, just kidding |
| 12:44.10 | Stanlin2 | ok, so how to get the squeeze NET install? |
| 12:44.12 | huwenfeng | what is the most configurable ,usable, user-friendly and efficient distributed file system? i mean open source distributed file system. |
| 12:44.33 | liable | Stanlin2: you can install testing, from the lenny d-i |
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| 12:44.37 | d-b | huwenfeng: sshfs is ok. nfs is also... |
| 12:44.56 | rvsjoen | Stanlin2: you grab testing and do a dist upgrade to sid |
| 12:44.57 | Stanlin2 | liable: just i need to change stable for testing in the sources list, right? |
| 12:45.35 | rvsjoen | oh, sorry. misread you |
| 12:45.43 | Arrowmaster | i thought it had a config option to pick if you wanted stable or testing |
| 12:45.57 | liable | Stanlin2: you set debconf priority to low in the menu, or use expert mode |
| 12:46.16 | carpii | i installed a minimal netinst debian, installed mysql server and then sun java jre. Is there anything I can do to reduce the disk space further? Im trying to package up a vmware image and want it as small as possible |
| 12:46.40 | eagle1 | Upgrading over ssh when the connection is managed by NetworkManager can lead the upgrade failing/hanging when the NetworkManager service is restarted. If you are lucky, the ssh connection will not drop out; if you are unlucky, the ssh connection will drop out and at the next interactive point in the upgrade (e.g. dpkg "replace this file" or debconf) the entire upgrade is left in a horrible state. |
| 12:46.44 | eagle1 | lol |
| 12:47.05 | jpinx | I am having issues with connecting my laptop using a TP-LINK PCMCIA card. It doesn't appear in /etc/network/interfaces when I plug it in. How do I make that happen? I'm on Lenny. |
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| 12:48.02 | zirikili | hi all. what KDE is available on debian 5? |
| 12:48.39 | epsilon | packages.debian.org |
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| 12:51.01 | infinity0 | is there a way to get amd64 synaptic to retrieve i386 package lists and install them? |
| 12:51.04 | zirikili | may I use kde 4 on debian stable or testing ? or I have to use unstable packages? |
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| 12:51.23 | jpinx | can I just edit /etc/network/interfaces manually to include allow-hotplug ath0 and iface ath0 inet dhcp .? |
| 12:51.31 | Eulex | zirikili, you have my permission. |
| 12:51.36 | jamesstanley | Anyone know how to find out the load averages like top gives in C? |
| 12:51.57 | Eulex | zirikili, note that none of stable, testing or unstable currently do contain kde 4 |
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| 12:52.08 | zirikili | Eulex: thank you |
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| 12:52.21 | enouf | jamesstanley: iirc, there's unix top, in c |
| 12:52.41 | carpii | jamesstanley, its in /proc/uptime if that helps ? |
| 12:52.45 | enouf | poke about on sourceforge or freshmeat |
| 12:52.48 | jamesstanley | enouf: so you're saying I should just read the code? |
| 12:52.51 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 12:52.51 | carpii | oh in C, sorry |
| 12:52.58 | jamesstanley | carpii: that might work too |
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| 12:53.33 | enouf | jpinx: what does dmesg | tail say about your card? and lspci -nn ? |
| 12:54.06 | enouf | jpinx: you assign it an iface and use allow-hotplug, iinm |
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| 12:55.06 | jpinx | enouf: it doesn't say anything about it - that's the problems |
| 12:55.19 | jpinx | I need to somehow get it hot-pluggable |
| 12:55.42 | enouf | jpinx: well, udev needs to recognize it, load modules, etc |
| 12:55.56 | enouf | jpinx: install pcmciautils too |
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| 12:56.20 | jpinx | Hmm -- pcmciautils might be the answer - hang on |
| 12:56.42 | enouf | why ath0 (just saw your 2nd posting - missed it orig) |
| 12:57.03 | jpinx | or wifi0 ? |
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| 12:57.12 | enouf | don't guess ;-) |
| 12:57.24 | jpinx | heh |
| 12:57.34 | jpinx | pcmciautils is already installed |
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| 12:57.38 | enouf | jpinx: is udevd running? |
| 12:57.49 | jpinx | how do I check? |
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| 12:58.07 | enouf | there must be something about it in dmesg - unless it's a dud -- install lshw and plug it in - see any info about it |
| 12:58.27 | enouf | pgrep udevd |
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| 12:58.58 | jpinx | ok - installing lshw now |
| 12:59.26 | Xilent | hi @ll, i'm upgrading from etch to lenny, are there any changes in the raid controlling. |
| 12:59.42 | jpinx | unfortunately it's on this laptop - I need to go offline to plug it in and test |
| 12:59.47 | Xilent | packet configure says something about missing /dev/md/1 in mdadm.conf (there is only an entry /dev/md1) |
| 13:00.04 | enouf | Xilent: see the mdadm changelogs - and see lenny release notes |
| 13:00.05 | jpinx | pgrep udevd |
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| 13:00.32 | jpinx | gives 907 - so it appears to be running |
| 13:00.38 | jpinx | enouf ^^ |
| 13:00.39 | enouf | right |
| 13:01.08 | jpinx | what will lshw do ? |
| 13:01.27 | enouf | probe - why won't you show us dmesg! and lspci! |
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| 13:02.24 | jpinx | hang on - I need to go offline, plug it in, get the output, swap back to wired connection, paste it and tell you |
| 13:02.26 | jpinx | ;) |
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| 13:03.06 | jpinx | brb |
| 13:03.08 | enouf | ... |
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| 13:04.05 | enouf | and wtf is a TP-LINK card? |
| 13:04.32 | enouf | that POC doesn't have wired ethernet? |
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| 13:04.56 | dfighter | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tp-link |
| 13:04.57 | anthony | Hello All |
| 13:05.43 | epsilon | TP-LINK is a junc brand for network parts |
| 13:05.44 | carpii | i want to compress a lot of binaries on my system, and have them expanded when the system boots. Are there any tools to help me prepare this? |
| 13:05.52 | SunnyDP | Is there a program like msconfig for linux to check what programs services run at boot of computer ? |
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| 13:06.41 | dfighter | ./etc/init.d/ |
| 13:06.47 | dfighter | without the first . ofc |
| 13:06.50 | carpii | SunnyDP, try chkconfig --list ? Im not sure if debian support this though |
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| 13:07.05 | SunnyDP | ok thanks\will let you know |
| 13:07.08 | SunnyDP | i am on ubuntu |
| 13:07.35 | dfighter | then why are you asking for help in #debian? |
| 13:07.36 | dfighter | :( |
| 13:07.50 | SunnyDP | carpi: it has to be installed |
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| 13:08.02 | SunnyDP | through apt-get |
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| 13:08.06 | carpii | ok, well its just a bit of a wrapper for the scripts in /etc/rc.d anyway |
| 13:08.15 | SunnyDP | i was looking for something more like : from the box |
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| 13:08.35 | carpii | your window manager will probably have some admin tool to view the services |
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| 13:09.33 | carpii | in kde 3.5 its System settings -> Advanced Tab -> System Services |
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| 13:09.49 | [gnubie] | waves |
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| 13:10.11 | ddoom_ | when I tried to install the new debian on my machine it just stalls at Boot from CD/DVD: any ideas? |
| 13:10.20 | [gnubie] | i have an intel d945gclf2 motherboard.. what do you think is the atom processor, a 32bit or 64bit? |
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| 13:11.47 | antii | should my /var/www folder have those permission?drwxr-xr-x 2 antii antii 4096 2009-02-16 13:54 .drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 2009-02-15 12:09 .. |
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| 13:13.21 | carpii | why not |
| 13:13.24 | enouf | [gnubie]: er .. google knows - but someone with a netbook has a 32bit Atom |
| 13:13.40 | antii | carpii: not antii on both? |
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| 13:14.01 | carpii | it doesnt matter really, the webserver will often run as a different user anyway, and in most cases just needs read access |
| 13:14.09 | [gnubie] | enouf: i can't find one.. sorry |
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| 13:14.30 | enouf | can't find a google? |
| 13:14.36 | carpii | heh :) |
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| 13:15.25 | enouf | SunnyDP: top/htop, ps, pstree, etc |
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| 13:16.25 | roe_ | referencing the List_of_Toy_Story_characters page on wikipedia, it seems odd that Debian would use Slinky and Wheezy before Etch and Lenny |
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| 13:17.19 | abrotman | slink already been done |
| 13:17.36 | jpinx | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m2b4d1b18 |
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| 13:18.03 | roe_ | an I missed it because I was looking for slinky |
| 13:18.21 | jpinx | it looks like it's coming up as wifi0 - am I correct? |
| 13:18.22 | abrotman | !tell roe_ about release history |
| 13:18.32 | roe_ | abrotman, I am looking at the wiki article |
| 13:18.55 | roe_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases |
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| 13:20.56 | jpinx | I forgot the output of lshw - http://pastebin.com/m1290ea81 |
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| 13:21.09 | Sevet | hi everyone... i have 2 servers on a lan. i want to connect them with a crossover cable so they can reach each other via the crossover cable using their lan ip and everything else via the lan, then fallback to contacting each other via the lan if the crossover cable fails or is unplugged. this is working at the moment with the routes to the lan subnet and default gw on eth1 (lan) and lan ip of the other server usign 'route add -host' on eth0 (c |
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| 13:23.39 | jpinx | can I manually edit /etc/network/interfaces to include the wifi0 pcmcia card and add a line for allow-hotplug ? |
| 13:24.45 | enouf | jpinx: yeah |
| 13:24.56 | enouf | jpinx: ls /sys/class/net |
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| 13:25.53 | jpinx | enouf: that gives - eth0 irda0 lo |
| 13:26.03 | dtcrshr | anyone can recommend me a nice ftp gui client? i cant manage to open in nautilus |
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| 13:26.24 | dtcrshr | it only surfs from local folders, cant write a path... |
| 13:26.35 | mchelen | gftp is fine |
| 13:26.36 | enouf | jpinx: listen, i'm not familiar with all the variants and whatnot - but check out http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci |
| 13:26.52 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.59 | jpinx | enouf: cool -- thanks for the help |
| 13:27.04 | enouf | [ 9009.065995] AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, AR5416, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413, RF2133, RF2425, RF2417) [ 9009.192462] ath_pci 0000:05:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002) |
| 13:27.47 | jpinx | yea - it looks like it's doing something- just not quite getting there - I'll do some more reading... |
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| 13:27.54 | enouf | jpinx: i don't know if this is relevant, wouldn't seem so http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
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| 13:28.17 | trifler | Hello I'm trying to install tomcat on my server. I'm following this guide ( http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-setup-apache-tomcat-55-on-debian-etch.html ) but instead of java5-jdk I'm using java6-jdk. But when i try to install tomcat5.5 i get this error ( http://pastebin.se/197358 ) Any ideas? :S since java -version returns that i have java :S |
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| 13:29.51 | homy | Hi, what is the "rescue" live cd? |
| 13:29.59 | homy | (at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/bt-cd/) |
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| 13:32.06 | enouf | jpinx: hrm, maybe you do need ath5k .. maybe both ath_pci and ath5k - i don't know http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/Kconfig |
| 13:32.17 | ChrisW | hey all, just updated samba as a result of the new debian release... samba won't start now but where do I look to find the error message that's causing it? |
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| 13:32.49 | valdyn | ChrisW: java is not an indicator that you have the jdk |
| 13:32.55 | roe_ | anyone know of a window manager switcher? is such a a thing possible? |
| 13:33.07 | valdyn | ChrisW: as mentioned at: "* Not starting Tomcat: no Java Development Kit found" |
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| 13:34.33 | enouf | jpinx: that's why i asked you for lspci -nn, not lspci alone |
| 13:35.24 | jpinx | enouf: sorry - I'll do lspci -nn now |
| 13:35.25 | enouf | seems ath5k it is - PCI: 168C:001A Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC |
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| 13:35.49 | enouf | from the wiki - close enough match - but sure jpinx it'll help |
| 13:35.56 | ChrisW | valdyn: errr, what does java have to do with samba? |
| 13:36.20 | enouf | jpinx: or just | grep 168C |
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| 13:36.58 | stew | themill: yeah, well, judd doesn't know about sqeeze yet either. I've been waiting on someone to fix a firewall, I haven't been able to ssh into that box in days. It should be fixed today |
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| 13:37.15 | valdyn | ChrisW: oops, that should have been trifler |
| 13:37.31 | valdyn | trifler: 14:32 < valdyn> ChrisW: java is not an indicator that you have the jdk |
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| 13:38.21 | valdyn | ChrisW: why do you think its not starting? |
| 13:38.27 | trifler | valdyn: I solved it by changing JAVA_HOME. |
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| 13:38.41 | jpinx | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m3ca7b7c1 |
| 13:38.41 | homy | Hey, does anybody know what the "rescue" live cd image is (at http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/Kconfig)? |
| 13:38.50 | jpinx | does that make more sense to you? |
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| 13:39.08 | ChrisW | valdyn: # /etc/init.d/samba start |
| 13:39.08 | ChrisW | Starting Samba daemons: nmbd failed! |
| 13:39.10 | ChrisW | ;-) |
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| 13:39.25 | valdyn | ChrisW: which in the log file? |
| 13:39.31 | valdyn | ChrisW: what is in the log file? |
| 13:39.36 | ChrisW | which log file should i be looking at? |
| 13:39.56 | rvsjoen | homy: huh ? |
| 13:39.56 | i_am_ed | I've upgrading from etch to lenny on a diskless booting machine, using an nfs filesystem. I've had to install nfs-common, as per part 5.2 of Lenny's release notes but now I'm having problems booting the new kernel - it's hanging at 'Waiting for root file system', timing out the dropping to the busybox shell. I believe it's hanging at the part where it mounts /dev/nfs as root, before the network comes up so it can then go on to mount the real |
| 13:39.59 | valdyn | ChrisW: /var/log/samba/* |
| 13:40.02 | enouf | jpinx: yep, according to the updtaed debian wiki - it's a match [168c:001a] |
| 13:40.06 | ChrisW | '/var/log/samba/log.all has no entires in for today |
| 13:40.17 | valdyn | ChrisW: then /var/log/daemon.log.2.gz |
| 13:40.21 | jpinx | enouf: yep |
| 13:40.32 | rvsjoen | ChrisW: samba usually has its own log files |
| 13:40.43 | valdyn | ChrisW: then /var/log/daemon.log even |
| 13:40.44 | enouf | jpinx: now, i don't know what limits it has, vs madwifi, or any of that stuff - so .. i'd say modprobe ath5k if it isn;t to test |
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| 13:41.31 | valdyn | ChrisW: you could tell us what you alread did so we dont have to ask you to do things you already did |
| 13:41.36 | enouf | jpinx: you should see a wifi0 in ls /sys/class/net output .. |
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| 13:41.46 | ChrisW | valdyn: nothing in there from smb or nmbd, just whine from ntpd ( ntpd[16371]: sendto(87.229.78.162) (fd=-1): Bad file descriptor) which is a little disturbing... |
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| 13:42.03 | valdyn | ChrisW: start nmbd on command line |
| 13:42.09 | ChrisW | how do I do that? |
| 13:42.12 | enouf | jpinx: maybe your Bluetooth stuff is interfering? i doubt it, but that's what that irda0 is, iinm |
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| 13:42.16 | valdyn | ChrisW: like "nmbd" |
| 13:42.28 | ChrisW | no error |
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| 13:42.39 | ChrisW | no error with smbd either |
| 13:42.42 | themill | stew: sounds fun... you should have the box call home occasionally :) |
| 13:43.00 | jpinx | enouf: ok - I need to unplug wired and plug in wifi each time to test - takes me a minute... |
| 13:43.08 | liable | enouf: irda is infared |
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| 13:43.31 | ChrisW | starting "nmbd -i" gives "params.c:Parameter() - Invalid parameter name in config. file." |
| 13:43.33 | stew | sure |
| 13:43.33 | valdyn | ChrisW: killall smbd ; killall nmbd |
| 13:43.37 | ChrisW | no mention of what line the problem is on :-/ |
| 13:43.57 | enouf | liable: i know - but no BT devices also use IRDA? |
| 13:44.02 | Farhadix | hi guys, after installing ndiswrapper and runing ndiswrapper -i xx.inf, I had run modprobe ndiswrapper but returns Module not found, why? it needed kernel source? |
| 13:44.06 | enouf | er infrared - lirc |
| 13:44.26 | ttys1 | I'm trying to edit a writable pdf ile but the default pdf viewer doesn't support edit.Is there any other program I can use for that. Don't wanna have to switch to a windows box just to do that. |
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| 13:44.43 | liable | enouf: i havent seen them do that, usually usb names afir |
| 13:44.50 | liable | afair |
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| 13:45.04 | valdyn | ChrisW: nmbd -F -d5 |
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| 13:45.22 | valdyn | ChrisW: 5 is a debug level, i dont know which level would be good, valid is 0-10 |
| 13:45.25 | ROKO__ | http://nopaste.org/p/aBA4XTzClb |
| 13:45.29 | ROKO__ | pls help |
| 13:45.30 | enouf | liable: i see, and i'm not sure - what i meant though was say a remote control that works off of infrared, but also transmits via BT |
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| 13:46.18 | ChrisW | valdyn: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/104135/ |
| 13:46.27 | liable | enouf: i'm not sure either |
| 13:46.43 | ChrisW | is it complaining about workgroup? |
| 13:46.48 | homy | rvsjoen: sorry, the wrong link. I meant http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/bt-cd/ What is the "rescue" live cd image there? |
| 13:46.58 | valdyn | Hazuki: that or the next one |
| 13:47.00 | valdyn | gah |
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| 13:47.36 | valdyn | ChrisW: no idea, maybe you should read the changelog |
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| 13:47.51 | ROKO__ | http://nopaste.org/p/aBA4XTzClb |
| 13:47.52 | ROKO__ | pls help |
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| 13:48.36 | ChrisW | the full samba.conf is here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/104136/ |
| 13:48.42 | kork | hey, is there a way to enforce the usage of libata for pata disks (i.e. turn /dev/hda into /dev/sda)? |
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| 13:48.52 | kolpur | hi .. i want to develop a plugin in openoffice .. someone tell me how to proceed for it .. |
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| 13:49.02 | zepolen | do i want i386 or ia64 for a core 2 duo ? |
| 13:49.19 | jelly | zepolen: i386 or amd64. NOT ia64. |
| 13:49.19 | zepolen | assuming i want 64bit |
| 13:49.26 | jelly | zepolen: amd64 then. |
| 13:49.32 | zepolen | amd64 works on intel core 2 duo? |
| 13:49.36 | alcohol | yes |
| 13:49.37 | zepolen | thanks |
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| 13:49.43 | bdelin88 | !visudo |
| 13:49.43 | dpkg | i guess visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers) |
| 13:49.46 | jelly | !core2duo |
| 13:49.55 | liable | ROKO__: you need to actually ask a sensible question if you want people to help. just supplying a pastebin link isnt a good way to get help. if you ask a concise question, then people who think they might be able to help, will ask for more details.. |
| 13:50.08 | enouf | kork: change your BIOS .. but why do you want/need to? also there are newer libata_ kernel params |
| 13:50.10 | zepolen | does i386 support > 4gb ram? |
| 13:50.11 | kork | using "libata.atapi_enabled=1 combined_mode=libata" doesn't help |
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| 13:50.31 | jelly | zepolen: only the -bigmem flavored kernels do. |
| 13:50.35 | kork | enouf: those are what I'm looking for, the kernel parameters that is. those are indeed PATA disks, no sata controller in the system |
| 13:50.36 | zepolen | ah |
| 13:50.50 | carpii | ROKO, im not sure you can use the http host header like that |
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| 13:51.12 | carpii | or is this through a proxy ? |
| 13:51.19 | ROKO__ | proxy |
| 13:51.57 | carpii | why is this a debian question ? |
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| 13:52.19 | jmut | anyone using debian and SSD drives? |
| 13:52.30 | enouf | kork: modinfo libata |
| 13:52.32 | enouf | parm: force:Force ATA configurations including cable type, link speed and transfer mode (see Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt for details) (string) |
| 13:52.32 | abrotman | jmut: and if theyt were .. |
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| 13:52.34 | jmut | is all smooth or things are funky in linux world somehow when talking SSD |
| 13:52.37 | carpii | i use ubuntu with ssd is that helps |
| 13:52.45 | jmut | abrotman: :) |
| 13:52.54 | kork | enouf: aah, neat. thanks |
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| 13:53.30 | carpii | but my ssd just appears as a sata drive, so linux is not really any the wiser i think |
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| 13:54.24 | kork | guess that will be "libata.force" on the kernel command line then |
| 13:54.25 | valdyn | ChrisW: put the file up, not a paste |
| 13:54.43 | valdyn | ChrisW: maybe increasing the debug level would show info too |
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| 13:55.46 | carpii | how can i reduce the *initial* diskspace footprint used by debian ? If it expands some binaries after booting and requires more space that would be fine, I just want to minimise initial space |
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| 13:56.13 | valdyn | carpii: unselect any task |
| 13:56.28 | carpii | i did a base net install and all ive added is mysql and java |
| 13:56.42 | nightglider28 | Oh, btw. |
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| 13:56.45 | carpii | i was thinking maybe theres a way to compress lots of binaries and have them unpacked on boot |
| 13:56.54 | valdyn | carpii: you still get to a task selection dialogue where you might have unselected everything or not. |
| 13:56.58 | spanther | thank you very much for debian 5.0 dear debian team :) |
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| 13:57.01 | nightglider28 | Who was it that proved my bcm module was in the netinst iso? |
| 13:57.12 | valdyn | carpii: debian doesnt support that |
| 13:57.17 | nightglider28 | *The Lenny stable netinst iso |
| 13:57.19 | carpii | hrm |
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| 13:57.32 | carpii | i could just script it though, right? |
| 13:57.33 | nightglider28 | thinks it was stew . |
| 13:57.39 | carpii | so long as i didnt compress any system binaries |
| 13:57.39 | jpinx | enouf: ls /sys/class/net gave me ath0 irda0 lo wifi0 |
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| 13:57.53 | abrotman | carpii: see the fuse website ... |
| 13:58.11 | webmind | can someone explain my why 'apt-get upgrade' gives me packages to upgrade, but aptitude upgrade/safe-upgrade/full-upgrade does not? |
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| 13:58.25 | ChrisW | valdyn: the paste was the whole file ;-) |
| 13:58.45 | themill | dpkg: tell webmind about bat |
| 13:58.49 | bdelin88 | so visudo....and the difference between debian and ubuntu...I am guessing that I don't want to set up a "user ALL = ALL" account right? That I want to maybe make some kind of admin account? |
| 13:59.01 | enouf | jpinx: whoa - just saw a MadWifi thing in your dmesg - so you have both installed now? lmao |
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| 13:59.23 | carpii | abrotman, thx looks interesting. not sure its quite what im looking for though :/ |
| 13:59.23 | roe_ | I am trying to start a second X session on a new tty any thoughts on how to do this... I want to give e a go |
| 13:59.35 | abrotman | carpii: AFAICT .. what you just described |
| 13:59.35 | asg | roe_: startx :1 |
| 13:59.39 | jpinx | enouf: I have ot used any wifi on this laptop before |
| 13:59.39 | bdelin88 | anyone? i am not sure how to approach debian security |
| 13:59.46 | homy | Hey, anybody know what the "rescue" image distributed by the debian-live team is? |
| 13:59.48 | enouf | asg: on -- in there? |
| 13:59.51 | jpinx | so it's just got whatever is the default installation |
| 13:59.56 | carpii | ok ill look into it further, thanks |
| 13:59.57 | abrotman | bdelin88: you could just not setup sudo at all |
| 14:00.00 | enouf | asg: er no -- in there? |
| 14:00.03 | carpii | i thiought it was more a developer api initially |
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| 14:00.34 | bdelin88 | abrotman: yea but... i am trying to install a program let's say...so i need to completely switch to the root account to do that? |
| 14:00.45 | webmind | themill, nm, I made a typo :) |
| 14:00.52 | bdelin88 | abrotman: or is there a way to login in the terminak or something, or am i missing something? |
| 14:00.53 | themill | webmind: that would do it... :) |
| 14:00.57 | asg | roe_: sorry, forgot the -- 'startx -- :1' |
| 14:01.02 | asg | enouf: good catch |
| 14:01.07 | enouf | roe_: you have a DE, like kde? kmenu > switch user > start new session |
| 14:01.15 | enouf | asg: ;-) |
| 14:01.27 | abrotman | bdelin88: that's up to you .. i don't configure sudo, i don't seem to have problems installing software with aptitude |
| 14:01.29 | jpinx | enouf: what do I do then? |
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| 14:01.47 | enouf | jpinx: read the wiki info? |
| 14:01.50 | bdelin88 | no no, i mean like a .run file, i don't have permission to do that |
| 14:01.58 | enouf | !ath5k |
| 14:01.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx wireless LAN chipsets. It is a new driver under heavy development. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k and http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/About/ath5k for more information. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See also <wireless tree>. |
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| 14:02.07 | abrotman | bdelin88: why the heck would you do that? |
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| 14:02.14 | abrotman | also doesn't see how sudo helps with that |
| 14:02.20 | jpinx | enouf: and it tells me to purge madwifi - is that ok? |
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| 14:02.40 | MariusM | how do i grub to boot Win XP by default? |
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| 14:02.47 | bdelin88 | abrotman: well i am running debian in a vbox, my user that it created at install doesn't have permissions to apt-get install either |
| 14:02.48 | enouf | hey WIFI PEOPLE ! should the debian wiki link be added to that? or atleast referenced? http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
| 14:02.54 | abrotman | MariusM: change the "default" |
| 14:02.57 | themill | abrotman: he doesn't know how to do anything as root without either logging out of X and logging back in as root or using sudo. He doesn't know about su... |
| 14:02.59 | carpii | Marius, set it as the default :p |
| 14:03.12 | MariusM | how? |
| 14:03.17 | abrotman | bdelin88: so what ? .. use an xterm and use su .. |
| 14:03.19 | themill | dpkg: tell bdelin88 about su |
| 14:03.23 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.26 | bdelin88 | themill: yes, what i am saying is, i started with ubuntu, and i am not sure what to do! lol :) |
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| 14:03.32 | abrotman | MariusM: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:03.41 | liable | enouf: ? |
| 14:03.43 | enouf | jpinx: sure - what do i know :P |
| 14:04.00 | enouf | liable: see my wifi people ! comment just above |
| 14:04.03 | bdelin88 | themill: oh :) |
| 14:04.07 | MariusM | abrotman: do i have tochange from root account |
| 14:04.09 | MariusM | ? |
| 14:04.18 | abrotman | MariusM: you have to be root to edit that file |
| 14:04.31 | MariusM | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 14:05.13 | liable | oh |
| 14:05.26 | themill | bdelin88: the way sudo is often used, it only gives the illusion of security without actually being any help at all. |
| 14:05.37 | enouf | and the wiki modinfo ath5k shows how modinfo lists 2 AR24xx cards, so not just the 5xxx ones, correct? |
| 14:05.40 | dob1 | trying to upgrade from etch to lenny i get a problem with the keys http://rafb.net/p/D2eY6e73.html |
| 14:05.54 | bdelin88 | themill: u mean in ubuntu? |
| 14:05.57 | enouf | The following list is based on the alias fields of modinfo ath5k on Lenny. |
| 14:06.02 | dob1 | why? using etch instead on stable on source.list i don't have this problem |
| 14:06.11 | liable | enouf: 2.6.26 will load ath5k for 24xx cards, but it wont work :) |
| 14:06.34 | enouf | liable: wonderful@! |
| 14:06.38 | bdelin88 | !.run |
| 14:06.57 | enouf | liable: so - do what for a 24xx PCMCIA toshiba Card? |
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| 14:07.12 | liable | enouf: madwifi |
| 14:07.18 | enouf | liable: check the bottom of dmesg here http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m2b4d1b18 |
| 14:07.23 | jpinx | is listening... |
| 14:07.33 | enouf | jpinx: you better! |
| 14:07.34 | enouf | :-p |
| 14:07.36 | trifler | If I like I have f*cked up a conf file can i reinstall the package and overwrtie the conf and if so how? :) |
| 14:08.06 | enouf | liable: lspci -nn shows 5:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC [168c:001a] (rev 01) |
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| 14:08.17 | dob1 | or it is just a problem of the repository that i am using? |
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| 14:08.30 | liable | enouf: i'm not sure about the 2413 actually |
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| 14:08.42 | ChrisW | I see /etc/updatedb.conf is no longer around, how do we control what stuff is indexed by updatedb in Debian 5? |
| 14:08.45 | enouf | all lspci -nn if needed http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m3ca7b7c1 |
| 14:09.04 | enouf | liable: so - not sure if ath5k will work .. or? |
| 14:09.24 | spanther | !nvidia |
| 14:09.24 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 14:09.47 | liable | enouf: nope, i'm not sure for that chip |
| 14:09.48 | ShishKabab | Hi. What can I do to make OOo Writer work correctly in Sid? Many of the toolbar items don't get drawn except on mouse over. |
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| 14:09.55 | enouf | liable: i see - ok thanks |
| 14:09.58 | bdelin88 | themill: ok...last question, i was able to run this .run file very easily in ubuntu with "sudo file.run" and it went...now it is saying command now found, is there something else i am missing? |
| 14:10.01 | enouf | jpinx: back to the wiki! |
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| 14:10.44 | assasusonic | hello everyone, im looking for a private pastebin where i can paste some private information for my colleagues, of course debian.pastebin.com is unsuitable since is not private |
| 14:10.44 | bdelin88 | themill: even as root i am getting "Permission denied" |
| 14:10.53 | carpii | have you set execute permissions on it? |
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| 14:11.02 | roe_ | can anyone else confirm that the e17 package in experimental is broken? |
| 14:11.03 | bdelin88 | carpii: me? |
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| 14:11.10 | carpii | bde, yes |
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| 14:11.21 | carpii | bde, try sudo chmod 755 filename |
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| 14:12.43 | themill | carpii: except that we're not using sudo here. |
| 14:13.02 | carpii | oops, sorry. its because he said sudo i thought i was in #ubuntu :p |
| 14:13.15 | spanther | i dont like sudo i prefer su real root alot :) |
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| 14:15.10 | Chousuke | belongs to the sudo camp |
| 14:15.10 | bdelin88 | ? |
| 14:15.33 | bdelin88 | test |
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| 14:16.00 | bdelin88 | oops |
| 14:16.07 | bdelin88 | lol i was scrolled up a bit |
| 14:16.08 | jpinx | enouf: liable - thanks |
| 14:16.22 | Sevet | hi everyone... i have 2 servers on a lan. i want to connect them with a crossover cable so they can reach each other via the crossover cable using their lan ip and everything else via the lan, then fallback to contacting each other via the lan if the crossover cable fails or is unplugged. this is working at the moment with the routes to the lan subnet and default gw on eth1 (lan) and lan ip of the other server usign 'route add -host' on eth0 (c |
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| 14:16.51 | bdelin88 | themill: well i kinda thought since i switched to root i would have ultimate priviledges, i kinda figured that no permission would be denied to me so long as i am root, am i missing something? |
| 14:16.57 | Sevet | does anyone know if it's possible to use route like that, and why the -host rule isn't being removed/added when the cable is disconnected/connected? |
| 14:17.00 | enouf | jpinx: |
| 14:17.10 | enouf | oops .. jpinx anything work yet? |
| 14:17.20 | carpii | bde, did you try to chmod it ? |
| 14:18.00 | bdelin88 | carpii: well no, but why do i have to do that if i am root? |
| 14:18.35 | carpii | because its not working, so surely a suggestion is worth trying :p |
| 14:18.47 | carpii | its not just a permission, but it tells it that its something which is capable of being executed |
| 14:18.57 | bdelin88 | oh i know why |
| 14:18.58 | themill | bdelin88: root still has to obey permissions -- it's just that root can change them. If you don't have execute permission, you can't execute something. |
| 14:19.07 | bdelin88 | for some reason ubuntu was able to run it right off the cd |
| 14:19.17 | bdelin88 | it is saying i can't bc it is on cd |
| 14:19.32 | bdelin88 | themill: ok making more sense now, thanks... |
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| 14:23.45 | bdelin88 | good god |
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| 14:24.07 | enouf | almost sounds like you did some whacko pmount as root user :-P |
| 14:24.28 | enouf | just become a user, make sure you're in audio cdrom plugdev groups |
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| 14:25.17 | bdelin88 | if you are installing something and it says "Please install XX" what is the best way to go about acquiring that program (if apt-get XX fails because it's not in there) |
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| 14:25.32 | bdelin88 | like a missing package or something... |
| 14:25.36 | enouf | apt-cache search |
| 14:25.43 | enouf | apt-get update prior |
| 14:25.55 | liable | bdelin88: are you building something? |
| 14:26.13 | liable | bdelin88: paste the output to a pastebin |
| 14:26.15 | enouf | but .. did you burn a file to CD that needed to have the +x bit set, but you didn't do that before burning? :-P |
| 14:26.31 | enouf | just copy the fucken thing to the HDD and manipulate at will |
| 14:26.46 | d-b | um hi how big is the debian repo for download btw -> i have an rsync job running atm. |
| 14:26.49 | d-b | any ideas ? |
| 14:26.56 | bdelin88 | liable: well like i said, tryin to install vbox linux additions, a .run file, i run "sudo file.run" in ubuntu and it just goes, but here it is asking for header files and "GNU compiler" and "GNU make" |
| 14:26.58 | liable | 30 odd gig i think |
| 14:27.09 | enouf | !b-e bdeferme |
| 14:27.09 | dpkg | bdeferme: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:27.12 | enouf | er |
| 14:27.13 | d-b | liable: seems small |
| 14:27.15 | bdelin88 | enouf: i did copy it to my user desktop |
| 14:27.16 | enouf | !b-e bdelin88 |
| 14:27.17 | dpkg | bdelin88: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:27.36 | liable | whats that factoid for debstats? |
| 14:27.41 | bdelin88 | enouf: is this something that is just not installed by default with debian i guess? |
| 14:27.44 | enouf | and aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:27.45 | liable | !dstats |
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| 14:27.55 | enouf | !installit |
| 14:27.56 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 14:28.06 | enouf | liable: give it a repo ... |
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| 14:28.12 | liable | its updating.. |
| 14:28.17 | d-b | apt: !dstats |
| 14:28.21 | enouf | liable: dstats lenny or similar |
| 14:28.34 | d-b | !dstats lenny |
| 14:28.35 | carpii | if i move apache logs to write to a symlink on drive1 (which points to a dir on drive2), is this symlink being resolved on every write, or only when the log is first opened ? |
| 14:28.48 | enouf | liable: give it a repo ... <- heh, i meant release name :-P |
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| 14:28.58 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I just finished burning debian-500-amd64-DVD-1.iso and while readin the README I got this: |
| 14:28.59 | K_Dallas | You should keep in mind that this is a beta disc of the current development version of the Debian system. |
| 14:29.05 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 24768 packages, 1992 maintainers, 66513 MB installed size, 23404 MB compressed size. |
| 14:29.22 | K_Dallas | Is it again the beta or just that the README is not uptodate? |
| 14:29.23 | liable | heh, only half wrong :) |
| 14:29.32 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22972 packages, 1932 maintainers, 58994 MB installed size, 20835 MB compressed size. |
| 14:29.49 | _awe_ | Did i get this right: Squeeze does not exist yet ? |
| 14:29.55 | liable | yes it does |
| 14:30.01 | bdelin88 | aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) <- this mean i am only installing them for my user? |
| 14:30.11 | liable | bdelin88: for your running kernel |
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| 14:30.20 | enouf | bdelin88: no, it;ll install the current running kernel's headers |
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| 14:31.13 | K_Dallas | liable, so have i got the beta, again or it is the final release? |
| 14:31.19 | enouf | bdelin88: rule of thumb for building ; you ONLY need root privs to install, not to config, nor make ... one caveat with make-kpkg, and some others perhaps - install fakeroot |
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| 14:31.35 | bdelin88 | enouf: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 14:31.46 | K_Dallas | Q2: Is there statistics on how many have downloaded lenny during the weekend? (nothing exact just approximately)? |
| 14:31.46 | enouf | ... |
| 14:31.53 | bdelin88 | enouf: lol...where you learn this |
| 14:32.03 | bdelin88 | enouf: where do you* |
| 14:32.07 | enouf | bdelin88: you did it wrong - you have 2 (( ? |
| 14:32.31 | enouf | bdelin88: i don't know .. but you could for now replace $() with `` |
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| 14:32.54 | bdelin88 | enouf: oh ok, well i just put it in like u put it |
| 14:33.08 | enouf | bdelin88: are you using dash or something? |
| 14:33.47 | bdelin88 | enouf: it just says couldn't find packages whose name or description matched "linux-headers-$" "(uname -r)" |
| 14:33.53 | d-b | enouf: you can do make-kpkg fine up untill the end. |
| 14:33.54 | enouf | bdelin88: ~$ echo $(uname -r) |
| 14:34.04 | enouf | 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 14:34.18 | ChrisW | hurm, since updating to Debian 5, my postgres 7.5 instance won't start, seems to want to start the 8.3 one instead, but I don't want to upgrade *just* yet... |
| 14:34.20 | enouf | d-b: without fakeroot? |
| 14:34.28 | enouf | d-b: as user? |
| 14:34.32 | ChrisW | how do I get the old 7.4 instance to start (sorry, typo'd 7.5 before) |
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| 14:34.40 | bdelin88 | enouf: yea that's my version man... i don't know why it says i have out of date headers |
| 14:34.50 | enouf | ... |
| 14:35.07 | bdelin88 | enouf: this is ridiculous |
| 14:35.07 | enouf | it might be complaining about your gcc version which ... oh ffs |
| 14:35.11 | d-b | um. fakeroot ? don't think it was using that |
| 14:35.11 | abrotman | ChrisW: doubt you can .. binaries have likely been removed |
| 14:35.17 | bdelin88 | enouf: i am just tryin to install vbox linux additions lol |
| 14:35.30 | bdelin88 | enouf: my gcc version? |
| 14:35.36 | ChrisW | '/etc/init.d/postgresql-7.4 is still there |
| 14:35.37 | d-b | i just used make-kpkg told it to make my kernel +initrd |
| 14:35.53 | enouf | bdelin88: yes, you are being such ... i don't know vbox .. but do this ; ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 14:36.07 | d-b | before the end it can't make the pakackage -- > i assume where fakeroot is used. |
| 14:36.18 | _awe_ | Did i get this right: Squeeze does not exist yet ? cat /etc/issue gives me Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 14:36.19 | Sevet | does anyone know why eth0 would stay marked as down when a crossover cable is plugged in with allow-hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces? dmesg shows the link being detected |
| 14:36.20 | enouf | d-b: i think you were, and didn't realize it |
| 14:36.22 | ChrisW | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.22 | dpkg | ii postgresql-7.4 gives "rc postgresql-7.4 1:7.4.23-0etch1" 3.7-1 chrisw's private gamp collection |
| 14:36.24 | abrotman | ChrisW: but the binary is gone |
| 14:36.25 | ChrisW | what does rc mean? |
| 14:36.31 | abrotman | removed, config files remain |
| 14:36.40 | d-b | but you can then just finish it by re-issuing the command to build as root. |
| 14:36.54 | d-b | meh any ways most of it is built as user X. |
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| 14:36.59 | enouf | d-b: which you shouldn't have to |
| 14:37.04 | ChrisW | ug, so how do I update my db and config suc hthat it works with 8.3? |
| 14:37.04 | enouf | only to install |
| 14:37.16 | bdelin88 | enouf: it says no such file or directory |
| 14:37.32 | enouf | bdelin88: wonderful - you have no headers installed |
| 14:37.37 | bdelin88 | lol |
| 14:37.51 | bdelin88 | enouf: why wouldn't debian install that by default? isn't that kind of a given thing to do... |
| 14:37.54 | enouf | bdelin88: how can you have wrong one, and not have any? |
| 14:37.57 | enouf | custom kernel? |
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| 14:38.07 | ChrisW | this is what I got when I did the dist upgrade: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/104140/ |
| 14:38.11 | enouf | !build |
| 14:38.11 | dpkg | http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/1/dpkg-buildpackage.html |
| 14:38.15 | enouf | er |
| 14:38.17 | ChrisW | I do wish screens like that weren't just lies :-( |
| 14:38.18 | enouf | !source |
| 14:38.18 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 14:38.38 | ChrisW | "The PostgreSQL version 7.4 is obsolete, but the server or client packages are still installed", not according to dpkg :-( |
| 14:38.58 | enouf | this is good - aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts |
| 14:39.23 | enouf | kernel headers are as easy to install as i showed you |
| 14:39.32 | enouf | most headers are in -dev name pkgs |
| 14:39.45 | bdelin88 | 1sec phone |
| 14:39.50 | bdelin88 | ok back |
| 14:39.52 | enouf | !ding |
| 14:39.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, ding is a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/ |
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| 14:39.57 | ChrisW | how do I remove what's left of 7.4? |
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| 14:40.23 | enouf | bdelin88: custom kernel? |
| 14:40.38 | bdelin88 | enouf: i don't have custom nothing, i just installed debian off a cd |
| 14:40.48 | enouf | why would you need a CD for vbox pkgs? |
| 14:40.49 | bdelin88 | enouf: it's fresh and untouched |
| 14:41.07 | bdelin88 | enouf: well it's a .iso for guest OS additions |
| 14:41.16 | bdelin88 | enouf: it adds features to vbox |
| 14:41.19 | enouf | bdelin88: you have no network up? did you comment out the CDROM line in sources.list? |
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| 14:41.36 | bdelin88 | enouf: no i can access the internet |
| 14:41.42 | enouf | bdelin88: and ISO from where? Debian doesn't have it pkgd? |
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| 14:42.02 | abrotman | ChrisW: you probably don't want to until you've converted your data |
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| 14:42.17 | bdelin88 | enouf: well i guess i could check for a package... but this is probably something i am gonna have to do at one point i think |
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| 14:42.51 | enouf | !mantra |
| 14:42.55 | enouf | grah |
| 14:43.02 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 14:43.02 | dpkg | from memory, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 14:43.04 | enouf | bdelin88: apt-get update; ~$ apt-cache search virtualbox guest |
| 14:43.08 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 14:43.08 | maddash | whooooo 81 packages to upgrade |
| 14:43.27 | enouf | abrotman: fail :-) i wanted the debian mantra :-P |
| 14:43.39 | ChrisW | abrotman: yeah, I know that, but how do I convert my data? pg_upgradecluster 7.4 main -> Error: specified cluster is not running |
| 14:43.43 | abrotman | oh well |
| 14:43.54 | maddash | wtf is 'squeeze'? |
| 14:43.55 | enouf | virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.26-1-686 - PC virtualization solution for Linux 2.6.26 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 14:43.56 | ChrisW | well of course it's not running, debian has happilly removed the packages it'd need to run |
| 14:44.02 | ChrisW | what am I supposed to do now?! |
| 14:44.03 | abrotman | ChrisW: why didn't it convert it when you installed the new one ? |
| 14:44.08 | abrotman | !tell maddash about squeeze |
| 14:44.17 | enouf | bdelin88: vbox OSE correct? |
| 14:44.19 | ChrisW | the "new one" arrived as part of the dist-upgrade |
| 14:44.32 | enouf | bdelin88: otherwise - go -> #vbox or whatever |
| 14:44.41 | ChrisW | there was no warning saying "hey, I'm about to remove postgres7.4, haev you updated your data yet?" |
| 14:45.02 | ChrisW | ther was onyl the screen I posted in that paste, which says "you will need to upgrade, but you can do that when I'm done" |
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| 14:45.12 | bdelin88 | enouf: i found the utils one on there |
| 14:45.18 | mcbane | hi |
| 14:45.28 | bdelin88 | enouf: ok so it looks like this will install it, but what if i had to install a .run u know? |
| 14:45.38 | maddash | my sources.list points to testing, but /proc/version insists that I'm using Debian 4.3.2-1.1 |
| 14:45.39 | enouf | virtualbox-ose-guest-utils - x86 virtualization solution - guest utilities |
| 14:45.45 | maddash | isn't that wrong? |
| 14:45.49 | bdelin88 | enouf: yep it's workin |
| 14:45.55 | bdelin88 | enouf: :-) |
| 14:45.57 | mcbane | is there something similar like nice for harddrive access? |
| 14:46.08 | enouf | bdelin88: no idea .. chmod +x the file, then ./filename.run |
| 14:46.27 | bdelin88 | enouf: hmm, what about the headers and gnu compiler |
| 14:46.40 | enouf | bdelin88: they're good to have installed |
| 14:47.33 | bdelin88 | enouf: would u recommend apt-cache search for those? |
| 14:47.33 | enouf | mcbane: iotop maybe |
| 14:47.33 | ChrisW | so, anyone know how I can get postgresql-7.4 onto lenny so I can use pg_upgradecluster to update the data? |
| 14:47.33 | maddash | do I need to dist-upgrade to the new testing, or is an upgrade enough, since my sources.list has always pointed to testing? |
| 14:47.33 | mcbane | thanks enouf |
| 14:47.33 | abrotman | maddash: you upgrade however you do normally .. |
| 14:47.33 | enouf | mcbane: oh wait - you want to nice/renice HDD access somehiow? |
| 14:47.35 | mcbane | yes |
| 14:47.43 | enouf | mcbane: i mean .. i don't get it .. |
| 14:47.43 | bdelin88 | ~csweather |
| 14:47.53 | maddash | abrotman: but /proc/version says that I'm stuck on sub-Lenny! |
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| 14:48.15 | abrotman | maddash: if you run safe-upgrade .. how many packages are held back ? |
| 14:48.26 | zahna | so, with lenny being stable now, how long will etch be maintained? |
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| 14:48.34 | abrotman | zahna: probably a year or so |
| 14:48.47 | enouf | bdelin88: er - the command i gave you takes care of that - you can use "/msg dpkg search" whenever you like |
| 14:48.51 | mcbane | enouf: My problem is that I need one app to have write access at all times. Now there is another app that writes on the same hd and causes the first one to have problems |
| 14:48.52 | maddash | abrotman: 3: fglrx-amdccle, fglrx-driver, libgtk1.2 |
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| 14:49.06 | abrotman | maddash: sounds like you don't have the kernel metapackage installed |
| 14:49.10 | zahna | is debian coming out with releases quicker now, as a general rule? |
| 14:49.10 | enouf | bdelin88: build-essential is a metapackage - /msg dpkg metapackage |
| 14:49.11 | spanther | what have you done :'( in past i could edit the Xorg file easily but now there is no "Driver" or "Module" section anymore so no way to change :( |
| 14:49.20 | Sevet | does anyone know how to check why udev doesn't mark the eth0 interface as down when the driver detects the nic link is down? allow-hotplug is set in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 14:49.21 | abrotman | zahna: the last two took 22 months |
| 14:49.40 | liable | spanther: you can still add those sections |
| 14:49.40 | zahna | that seems quicker than the release before them |
| 14:49.52 | bdelin88 | enouf: where can i read up on that, i have no idea what you're talking about, only that you're telling me to enter commands that have something to do with the package program... |
| 14:49.59 | bdelin88 | enouf: but i would like to learn |
| 14:50.04 | spanther | liable: yes but i don't know where to put in the right things in place since i dont have the original "complete" Xorg file :( |
| 14:50.09 | enouf | bdelin88: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 14:50.37 | bdelin88 | enouf: no such file or directory "/msg" |
| 14:50.46 | enouf | bdelin88: in your irc client |
| 14:50.50 | liable | spanther: google, or man xorg.conf |
| 14:50.53 | bdelin88 | o |
| 14:50.55 | bdelin88 | lol |
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| 14:51.18 | enouf | bdelin88: dpkg here is the resident channel bot - the dpkg on your installation is the low-level pkg manager ;-) |
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| 14:51.39 | enouf | !what are you? |
| 14:51.39 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 14:51.55 | enouf | !tell bdelin88 about gender |
| 14:51.57 | giles_ | oopsie puppet upgraded a few of our packages to lenny over the weekend :/ |
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| 14:52.06 | bdelin88 | lol |
| 14:52.15 | giles_ | i'm trying to downgrade a few servers |
| 14:52.21 | enouf | easy on the lol kid |
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| 14:52.24 | enouf | ;-) |
| 14:52.34 | meow | !infobot |
| 14:52.34 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
| 14:52.35 | spanther | okay i'll try it |
| 14:52.42 | giles_ | some it's okay for but others have had tzdata upgraded |
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| 14:53.17 | openIT | hi |
| 14:53.19 | maddash | abrotman: ok, I pinned fglrx* to the current version in /etc/apt/preferences, and purged libgtk1.2. then I dist-upgraded, but /proc/version still says "Debian 4.3.2" |
| 14:53.22 | openIT | i want to use debian testing |
| 14:53.29 | openIT | is it better to use gnome or kde ? |
| 14:53.42 | enouf | whichever you like, or neither |
| 14:53.53 | abrotman | maddash: that doesn't mean anything |
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| 14:54.18 | enouf | maddash: wait, /proc/version? or /etc/debian_version ? |
| 14:54.23 | enouf | wait |
| 14:54.28 | maddash | enouf: /proc/version |
| 14:54.36 | enouf | paste it .. Yes, ... gcc 4.3.2 |
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| 14:54.44 | maddash | enouf: cat: /proc/debian_version: No such file or directory |
| 14:54.49 | enouf | it was until very recently 4.1.x |
| 14:54.59 | enouf | try again |
| 14:55.03 | maddash | enouf: you want me to paste mine? |
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| 14:55.19 | enouf | <enouf> maddash: .. /etc/debian_version ? |
| 14:55.32 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.38 | enouf | see 4.1.3 ? |
| 14:55.55 | maddash | enouf: /proc/version: Linux version 2.6.26.8 (root@nfkb) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) ) #1 Mon Jan 19 09:57:03 EST 2009 |
| 14:56.00 | enouf | oh, you mean the (Debian part?) |
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| 14:56.04 | spanther | yay 3D acceleration ftw :) |
| 14:56.08 | enouf | right ... and? |
| 14:56.08 | abrotman | maddash: that's the GCC version .. |
| 14:56.09 | maddash | enouf: yes... |
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| 14:56.16 | maddash | oh. duh. |
| 14:56.19 | enouf | maddash: so, that's really recent! |
| 14:56.20 | abrotman | yes ... duh indeed |
| 14:56.29 | maddash | smacks myself |
| 14:56.37 | enouf | !smack maddash |
| 14:56.37 | dpkg | smacks maddash upside the head. |
| 14:56.46 | ChrisW | so, what do I do to get this 7.4 cluster upgraded to 8.3? |
| 14:56.55 | enouf | maddash: you were looking for /etc/debian_version ? :-P |
| 14:57.00 | maddash | so, what's the formal way to get the running version of debian? |
| 14:57.07 | enouf | !version |
| 14:57.07 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 14:57.15 | abrotman | ChrisW: you could install an etch system in a VM .. put your data there, do the upgrade again and convert the data correctly this time |
| 14:57.31 | ChrisW | ug |
| 14:57.32 | maddash | enouf: thanks. didn't see the '/etc/' prefix. |
| 14:57.42 | enouf | maddash: more than once :-p |
| 14:58.09 | abrotman | ChrisW: did you try to install the etch 7.4 postgres packages on lenny to see if they would run ? |
| 14:58.11 | enouf | maddash: it's kind of .. important to be in the correct parent dir .. not to mention correct file_name :-) |
| 14:58.15 | maddash | enouf: cat /etc/debian_version: 5.0. isn't that lenny? |
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| 14:58.20 | ChrisW | how would I do that? |
| 14:58.21 | enouf | yes! |
| 14:58.24 | enouf | \o/ |
| 14:58.43 | maddash | enouf: but what about testing (aka squeeze)? |
| 14:58.51 | enouf | maddash: er ...so , what do you expect? 6 ? |
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| 14:59.06 | maddash | enouf: 5.1? |
| 14:59.23 | enouf | i'm not sure that's even decided yet |
| 14:59.26 | maddash | !versions |
| 14:59.28 | maddash | !timeline |
| 14:59.33 | enouf | maddash: but your kernel is older |
| 14:59.39 | ChrisW | abrotman: I'm guessing I need to put something in /etc/apt/sources.list, but what do I put in? |
| 14:59.39 | bdelin88 | enouf: i was able to get headers installed thanks to that nift apt-cache, thanks again :D |
| 15:00.01 | enouf | bdelin88: heh - your shell seems a bit .. broken :-) welcome though |
| 15:00.03 | Eulex | worth noting is that squeeze too currently has 5.0 in /etc/debian_version |
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| 15:00.06 | abrotman | ChrisW: an etch deb line .. or you can try getting the packages manually |
| 15:00.14 | maddash | I love Debainn. |
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| 15:00.16 | enouf | !win Eulex |
| 15:00.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, Eulex! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:00.17 | rvsjoen | any tips on how to make firefox open pdf files in acroread ^_^ ? |
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| 15:00.27 | abrotman | rvsjoen: FF or IW ? |
| 15:00.31 | bdelin88 | enouf: well that is strange, what do u think could b wrong, i don't want a broken shell :) |
| 15:00.31 | rvsjoen | FF |
| 15:00.34 | enouf | rvsjoen: edit > preferences ? |
| 15:00.42 | rvsjoen | nah, tried that |
| 15:00.46 | spanther | what i love at debian too is that they go the better way not to use this KDE4 ugly desktop with annoying few options and plasma playstuff :) |
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| 15:00.52 | enouf | bdelin88: echo $(uname -r) says? |
| 15:01.14 | abrotman | rvsjoen: why are you asking us? |
| 15:01.18 | rvsjoen | it just does not do anything when choosing the application to launch, I can open acroread manually and view the file, and I can also view other types of attacments |
| 15:01.22 | enouf | rvsjoen: it's file types associations - if gnome, go in there, if kde, go in there |
| 15:01.22 | ChrisW | abrotman: what deb line would you recommend? and where should I put it in sources.list? |
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| 15:01.39 | enouf | maybe you want a plugin .. who knows |
| 15:01.41 | abrotman | ChrisW: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 15:01.46 | rvsjoen | abrotman: you seem like intelligent people with constructive answers |
| 15:01.47 | abrotman | anywhere in the file |
| 15:01.48 | bdelin88 | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 15:01.56 | bdelin88 | enouf: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 15:01.56 | enouf | rvsjoen: links2 -g opens my PDFs in acroread nicely ;-) |
| 15:01.58 | abrotman | rvsjoen: but debian doesn't have Firefox, just Iceweasel |
| 15:02.10 | enouf | bdelin88: ok, so you just mistyped or something last time |
| 15:02.20 | bdelin88 | yea probably lol |
| 15:02.23 | bdelin88 | sry |
| 15:02.32 | spanther | abrotman: but its still the same :P |
| 15:02.56 | ChrisW | abrotman: okay, I have "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main" at the top of sources.list, aptitude install postgresql-7.4 still gives: No candidate version found for postgresql-7.4 |
| 15:03.12 | abrotman | spanther: i have no idea which version of FF he's running or how mozilla has changed it .. there's a huge setup of mime type file associations in IW .. it's not hard to find or setup |
| 15:03.18 | enouf | bdelin88: echo $SHELL ; echo $TERM ...just so you can see some things .. |
| 15:03.26 | abrotman | ChrisW: did you run aptitude update first ? |
| 15:03.29 | enouf | bdelin88: then do; printenv |
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| 15:03.33 | ChrisW | ah, no, thanks :-) |
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| 15:03.52 | bdelin88 | enouf: k 1 sec |
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| 15:05.18 | bdelin88 | enouf: want to see the output? |
| 15:05.31 | enouf | bdelin88: not really |
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| 15:05.42 | bdelin88 | enouf: lol ok |
| 15:05.58 | enouf | bdelin88: just a quick few commands to test your shell :-) |
| 15:05.59 | parsifal_ | Is there a file that runs after X has launched? |
| 15:06.06 | parsifal_ | is that .Xresources or whatever? |
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| 15:06.15 | bdelin88 | ah ok, well it printed a bunch of stuff |
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| 15:06.43 | enouf | bdelin88: go into ~/.bashrc and remove the comments from the 3 lines that start with # if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then |
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| 15:08.51 | enouf | bdelin88: '#' is a comment - (those lines are not read/processed) - not for all languages though, and not for most /etc/apt/* files (which use a // or something for comments), and not in grub's menu.lst automagic list area |
| 15:08.57 | bdelin88 | enouf: they are uncommented |
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| 15:09.25 | bdelin88 | enouf: yep i am familiar with them :), i am ok with ubuntu, but not familiar at all with debian |
| 15:09.27 | enouf | bdelin88: then tab-completion should be working - do this ~[TAB][TAB] |
| 15:09.37 | maddash | ~ |
| 15:09.48 | enouf | maddash: in your shell |
| 15:09.55 | bdelin88 | enouf: yep it works as well |
| 15:09.59 | enouf | ok |
| 15:10.25 | enouf | bdelin88: your shell passes inspection .. i'm going to Stamp it with Seal of Approval now |
| 15:10.32 | bdelin88 | enouf: i think i am getting the hang of this |
| 15:10.37 | bdelin88 | enouf: lol |
| 15:10.58 | parsifal_ | enouf: lol |
| 15:11.09 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:12.15 | bdelin88 | enouf: now what IS odd, is that literally right after i installed debian i am prompted that i have a kernel failure, and again, it says i have a kernel failure |
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| 15:12.56 | alcohol | bdelin88: that means the kernel failed =[ |
| 15:13.03 | giles_ | hrm is there a way I can remove a package without it's dependencies? |
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| 15:13.13 | giles_ | or at least force a downgrade |
| 15:13.13 | alcohol | yes |
| 15:13.17 | alcohol | but I forgot how =[ |
| 15:13.28 | giles_ | heh k i'll keep manning |
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| 15:14.11 | bdelin88 | alcohol: why the hell does the kernel fail with a new install |
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| 15:14.25 | alcohol | bad kernel? |
| 15:14.54 | parsifal_ | is happy there's a package of evince that's GTK-only, not only the one that has GNOME support |
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| 15:15.11 | bdelin88 | alcohol: jesus |
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| 15:15.20 | alcohol | giles_: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/apt-get-remove-and-dependencies-183772/ not sure how useful the info is there |
| 15:15.28 | alcohol | giles_: but it sounded like what you were looking for |
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| 15:15.36 | bdelin88 | alcohol: this is why i keep goin back to windows man |
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| 15:15.55 | alcohol | bdelin88: did you pick a wrong architecture? |
| 15:16.19 | bdelin88 | bdelin88: x86 for my 32bit system |
| 15:16.57 | alcohol | yeah that's wrong |
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| 15:17.05 | bdelin88 | what |
| 15:17.09 | alcohol | I would get the blue one |
| 15:17.11 | alcohol | =] |
| 15:17.14 | bdelin88 | i thought 86 was 32? |
| 15:17.21 | enouf | !42 |
| 15:17.21 | dpkg | hmm... 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
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| 15:17.33 | alcohol | x42! |
| 15:17.37 | ChrisW | abrotman: okay, that worked, now how do I remove/destroy/purge the postgresql-7.4 package? |
| 15:17.45 | giles_ | hrm alcohol that is sort of what I want but I think it would remove util-linux too |
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| 15:17.50 | enouf | bdelin88: what are you talking abuot? the system boots and works, right? |
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| 15:18.17 | alcohol | giles_: I can't say that for certain, but doesn't apt-get have a test mode that does ultimately nothing but shows you what it -would- have done without said mode? |
| 15:18.20 | maligor | everyone should adopt microsofts logical numbering instead, x64.... x64 > x86! |
| 15:18.24 | alcohol | I could be completely wrong there :< |
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| 15:18.50 | Farhadix | Hi everybody, I have installed Lenny in shell mode. now I wanna install ndiswrapper, I have installed ndiswrapper-common, ndiswrapper-utils-1.9, linux-headers, linux-image. after that when I ran ndiswrapper -v, it returns some error: http://nopaste.com/p/a1c7R8TQ9 how fix it? |
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| 15:19.50 | bdelin88 | alcohol: no wait i downloaded i386 i think |
| 15:20.23 | maligor | Farhadix, you probably need to build the kernel module |
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| 15:20.43 | Farhadix | maligor: how? |
| 15:20.45 | maligor | Farhadix, you can use module-assistant, probably with: m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 15:20.54 | maligor | (after you install module-assistant) |
| 15:21.11 | bdelin88 | alcohol: debian-500-i386-netinst.iso is what i downloaded and installed |
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| 15:21.17 | maligor | Farhadix, what wifi card is it btw? |
| 15:21.27 | alcohol | bdelin88: ok. I didn't use that one. |
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| 15:21.37 | maligor | quite a lot of cards have viable proper drivers these days |
| 15:21.52 | ssastre | hi guys, Q: there is any know problem when using a debian samba client connected on an ubuntu samba server? |
| 15:21.58 | bdelin88 | alcohol: yes, but that is 32 bit is it not? |
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| 15:22.20 | maligor | bdeferme, i386 = 32bit x86 |
| 15:22.22 | ssastre | I'm experiencing some downtime on the client (a reboot connects again just fine) |
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| 15:22.29 | Farhadix | maligor: in fact, I dont know what brand. but it use bcmwl5 driver |
| 15:22.33 | maligor | agh.. wrong target |
| 15:22.38 | maligor | bdelin88, that was for you :P |
| 15:22.39 | aronofsky | hi guys, i got a problem trying to use JOD converter, it works with OO official version but not with debian package ones ... does anyone got a clue about where it could come from ? |
| 15:22.48 | Youpi | Why is my .local 3.2G and my .config 2.5G, is it normal ? |
| 15:22.54 | maligor | Farhadix, broadcom? |
| 15:22.54 | maddash | enouf: abrotman: thanks for the help |
| 15:23.05 | Farhadix | i think |
| 15:23.21 | maligor | did lenny ship with b43? |
| 15:23.33 | alcohol | no, b52 |
| 15:24.00 | bdelin88 | maligor: ah ok thanks :) well it should be fine then, i have no idea why kernel fails |
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| 15:25.38 | maligor | Farhadix, yeah, it seems to include b43 |
| 15:25.43 | maligor | Farhadix, you can try that too |
| 15:25.51 | maligor | or b43legacy |
| 15:26.28 | maligor | Farhadix, http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 15:26.33 | maligor | Farhadix, see the bit about firmware installation |
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| 15:27.15 | Farhadix | maligor: thanks alot :D |
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| 15:28.19 | maligor | Farhadix, you'll need the b43-fwcutter package too |
| 15:28.43 | maligor | which seems to be in contrib |
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| 15:32.35 | enouf | Farhadix: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 15:41.35 | Killer_Werdohl_ | moin |
| 15:41.42 | Killer_Werdohl_ | wie kann ich nen eigenen channel machen ? |
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| 16:01.21 | dracflamloc | quick q: does 'lenny' support ext4 out of the box |
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| 16:02.47 | damjan | dracflamloc: from what I've seen it uses kernel 2.6.26 and it only has a ext4dev module |
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| 16:05.26 | stew | dracflamloc: you'd have to upgrade to 2.6.28. there will be an interim release kernel sometime down the road for lenny which will support ext4 (like in the 6 month to a year timeframe) |
| 16:05.40 | stew | dracflamloc: but you can always add a newer kernel on your own sometime sooner |
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| 16:06.09 | stew | dracflamloc: the userspace support tools for ext4 should be there already |
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| 16:07.16 | miha | hello my current hosting uses debian + ispconfig.. what would be good way for arbitrary mail redirect/mail lists, don't want million mailboxes, just easy way to do redirects and perhaps list (with reply-to and subject) |
| 16:07.32 | miha | it has lots of domains hosted |
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| 16:08.04 | miha | i can recommend something to admin, but he doesnt want to compromise on security |
| 16:08.14 | miha | any ideas?! |
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| 16:10.12 | Fah | miha: without knowing the details its a little hard to say. Is he hosting mail or just redirecting it? Does he want a sealed server ala cyrus or is he ok with system accounts for users? Are we talking thousands of users? |
| 16:10.34 | miha | well it's normal hosting with not so little users, many domains |
| 16:10.44 | miha | right now i can set some redirects at ispconfig |
| 16:10.55 | miha | but no mail lists |
| 16:11.01 | miha | (reply-to, subject prefix) |
| 16:11.15 | Fah | you could probably use mailman witha little fussing with the aliases/virtual tables |
| 16:11.25 | dracflamloc | i read that debian now has a live-cd version? where would i find that |
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| 16:12.19 | Fah | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 16:12.38 | miha | fax well i know 'you can do everything' however 1. it should be not too complicated (i'm not complete noob, but this is not my priority), 2. it should be secure (i dont want to compromise all server because of my typo) |
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| 16:13.36 | Fah | what do you mean by secure? Security is a process |
| 16:13.57 | miha | well the 'root' wants to know what this means |
| 16:14.32 | miha | it's hard to convince him to install anything system wide |
| 16:14.37 | miha | he'd prefer to have it in my sandbox:) |
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| 16:16.27 | miha | i have some really sexy domains:) and want to give mail redirects to l33t folks, but in controlled way:) |
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| 16:17.05 | carpii | i doubt youre gonna do that without installing something system wide really |
| 16:17.15 | miha | well it's already mail server |
| 16:17.24 | carpii | my advice is, if youre serious about hosting, get a dedicated unmanaged server and do it yourself |
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| 16:17.55 | miha | carpii simple math: 100 eur a year for hosting or 100 year a month for my own server+my time |
| 16:18.07 | miha | 100 a month, second part |
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| 16:18.19 | carpii | shrugs |
| 16:18.27 | carpii | ive never had to ask an admin to open things up for me |
| 16:18.31 | carpii | so it pays dividends in that way |
| 16:18.49 | Fah | there are lots of guides/howtos for doing mail hosting |
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| 16:19.02 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 16:19.10 | miha | fah well already i have real accounts set at ispconfig |
| 16:19.14 | carpii | it all depends what sort of mail you want to provide |
| 16:19.15 | Fah | but if you're looking for a way to do it in your home directory, I know of no decent solutions |
| 16:19.19 | carpii | virtual pop, or webmail etc |
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| 16:19.33 | miha | fah but i dont want to add mailbox for everyone |
| 16:19.34 | johnfg | I've never done a successful upgrade in linux, from one version to another. Seems like something always messes up. |
| 16:19.44 | carpii | some mail servers can use mysql as a backend, which might keep admin happy regarding security |
| 16:19.46 | carpii | or might not |
| 16:19.50 | johnfg | However, I wonder if you think that debian's got a better handle on this? |
| 16:19.58 | Fah | miha: you can forward mail via aliases/virtualhosts |
| 16:20.07 | miha | yeah |
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| 16:20.16 | miha | fah: but not mail lists |
| 16:20.16 | Fah | if you want to host mail without system accounts, check out cyrus |
| 16:20.25 | johnfg | I've been running lenny, unstable for quite some time, and did already download and burn the iso-dvd. |
| 16:20.26 | Fah | mail lists dont need local accounts. |
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| 16:20.52 | johnfg | Is there a way to upgrade the distribution to stable lenny? |
| 16:20.59 | Fah | well, beyond a potential account for the mail list software to run as |
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| 16:21.45 | miha | fah yeah |
| 16:22.01 | miha | fah i dont expect some magic wand, just thought somebody would tell me "this worked for me" :) |
| 16:22.03 | Fah | find a mail list solution with features you want/need and read the guides for integrating it with your mail s ystem |
| 16:22.05 | Fah | system |
| 16:22.12 | Fah | i use mailman |
| 16:22.17 | Fah | but i dont host a ton of domains |
| 16:22.30 | petemc | google offers free email for domains |
| 16:22.47 | Fah | offers groups too |
| 16:22.55 | carpii | they say they do, but i looked into that this morning and they seemed to want $50 an account for it |
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| 16:23.02 | petemc | no, its free |
| 16:23.08 | miha | dunno |
| 16:23.08 | petemc | ive its used it for dozens of domains |
| 16:23.12 | petemc | s/its// |
| 16:23.30 | petemc | they have commercial offerings too, obviously |
| 16:24.00 | carpii | thats what confused me. It said free and when i clicked the link it was asking me to contact corporate sales etc |
| 16:24.04 | carpii | maybe just mislinked |
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| 16:26.25 | error4o4 | do you know if load on a vps i displayed per host or per vps? my vps is getting slow, load is about 4-5.. have another vps (same characteristics) but not in production yet where its about 0.05 |
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| 16:28.26 | frostschutz | error4o4: depends on how the virtualization is done I guess. for me (xen vserver) its load per vps. |
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| 16:29.39 | toxygen | hello |
| 16:30.05 | toxygen | i would like to ask what is the correct way of upgrading postgresql from 4.0 to 5.0 |
| 16:30.12 | benley | error4o4: are you using xen or openvz or what? |
| 16:30.14 | toxygen | seems lenny didn't offer me postgresql upgrade |
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| 16:31.07 | error4o4 | benley: Virtuozzo |
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| 16:33.57 | g00se_ | Where did iceape go in lenny? |
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| 16:34.29 | liable | rc bug? |
| 16:34.48 | nightglider28 | g00se_: Was it the replacement for Firefox or Seamonkey? |
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| 16:35.18 | nightglider28 | If it was the Seamonkey replacement, I think it's now Iceape. |
| 16:35.19 | ctux | hi |
| 16:35.23 | nightglider28 | Not iceape. |
| 16:35.25 | wirre22 | I have debian installed in a small VPS (256 mb ram) and have noticed that the clock runs very slow. Especially when the system is under load the clock looses 5 sec every 10 sec... Is that normal? |
| 16:35.25 | nightglider28 | Iceowl. |
| 16:35.25 | g00se_ | nightgliader28:I thought it was the replacement for mozilla ;-) |
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| 16:35.38 | themill | g00se_: iceape isn't in lenny. Check the release notes. |
| 16:35.39 | nightglider28 | g00se_: Or i'm an idiot. Definite possibility. |
| 16:36.07 | nightglider28 | g00se_: Client doesn't support tabbing? |
| 16:36.17 | g00se_ | themill: What is it now then? i.e. what's the default browser? |
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| 16:36.34 | kereoz | hi |
| 16:36.46 | ctux | do the official Debian lenny live CDs have the installer enabled too? |
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| 16:36.52 | kereoz | there is something I would like to discuss about |
| 16:36.52 | nightglider28 | g00se_: Default I believe is IceWeasel. |
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| 16:37.07 | themill | g00se_: iceape was never the default browser. You might be thinking of iceweasel |
| 16:37.31 | nightglider28 | kereoz: I don't guarantee I'll be of help, but I can try. |
| 16:37.55 | g00se_ | themill: Oh yes - you're right. It was just that i made it the default ;-) |
| 16:38.00 | kereoz | for those who have already used gentoo or arch, I guess you all noticed that the color output really helps when it comes to read long outputs |
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| 16:38.07 | ctux | do the official Debian lenny live CDs have the installer enabled too? anybody please |
| 16:38.13 | stew | i'm not sure there is any such thing as a "default browser in debian" other than "whatever you happen to have currently set as x-www-browser alternative" |
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| 16:38.27 | kereoz | I would like to see such a thing with the debian tools |
| 16:38.34 | kereoz | and even with init |
| 16:38.56 | kereoz | do you know if there is any reason why debian doesn't have it ? |
| 16:39.37 | nightglider28 | Is there any front-end for aptitude? |
| 16:39.49 | jpinx | iirc different desktop managers ship with different browsers |
| 16:40.00 | nightglider28 | Indeeed. |
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| 16:40.26 | nightglider28 | Gnome has Epiphany (though I think they're switching to another one, can't remember the name, atm), KDE has konq, etc. |
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| 16:40.46 | g00se_ | themill: Just reading the release notes. Can't see aught about iceape disappearing |
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| 16:41.05 | themill | g00se_: section 5.6 |
| 16:41.06 | vn | if there a problem, when dist-upgrading, if I keep my old config files? |
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| 16:41.13 | ctux | !installer |
| 16:41.25 | jpinx | nightglider28: yep - and if you try to install epiphany on lxce(fro example) you end up with loads of gnome stuff |
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| 16:41.55 | g00se_ | themill: Thanks |
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| 16:42.07 | nightglider28 | jpinx: One of the biggest things I hate about components from a heavier DE. :P |
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| 16:42.19 | carpii | is there any terminal util that will graph where my diskspace is being used, by directory? |
| 16:42.32 | carpii | a bit like the usual treesize app for guis |
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| 16:42.45 | patrikf | hmmm. |
| 16:42.59 | jpinx | nightglider28: I wanted lxde and epiphany because I thought it would be small on my eeepc hdd, but I ended up bigger than iceweasel |
| 16:43.02 | patrikf | carpii: du will do that |
| 16:43.04 | jpinx | :( |
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| 16:43.20 | nightglider28 | jpinx: I don't see why you'd want Epiphany, anyway. It's just a "Me, too!" browser. |
| 16:43.26 | orion_x11 | I changed my source.list to testing instead of lenny > updated ans upgraded many packages. It took a long time 4 hours. So, does it means that I ma using "squeeze" nos? |
| 16:43.27 | dv_ | hello |
| 16:43.28 | carpii | im using du atm, but its hard to get it usable because it either lists all directories, or just a grand total |
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| 16:43.38 | dv_ | nightglider28, it tends to be leaner and faster sometimes |
| 16:43.45 | jpinx | nightglider28: it's small on the hdd |
| 16:43.48 | nightglider28 | dv_: Only if you're running gnome. |
| 16:43.50 | dv_ | because it doesnt have this xul-on-top-of-gtk thing |
| 16:43.53 | patrikf | carpii: try: du -h --max-depth=1 |
| 16:44.06 | jpinx | dv_: yes - assuming you have gnome already |
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| 16:44.18 | MeStesso | hello |
| 16:44.18 | dv_ | what happens if you dont have gnome? |
| 16:44.22 | nightglider28 | Otherwise it pulls pointless deps that do nothing but take up space. |
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| 16:44.28 | dv_ | ah ok, needs to load the .so's |
| 16:44.31 | jpinx | what's the option though - if i want a small browser on lxde |
| 16:44.44 | carpii | patrik, does max-depth only affect the reporting? ie would it still include files 4 levels deep? |
| 16:44.45 | nightglider28 | dv_: Then you're pulling enough of the gnome libs that you might as well run it, anyway. |
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| 16:44.58 | carpii | still include them in the total i mean |
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| 16:45.03 | dv_ | you can always use midori, which is pure gtk + webkit.. |
| 16:45.11 | nightglider28 | Never used it. |
| 16:45.20 | dv_ | arora is the same, but with qt4 |
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| 16:45.35 | MeStesso | I've got a problem: I've installed debian inside a vmware virtual machine. I errouneusly set vmware to use networking using NAT. but I need to switch to bridged networking. I've changed it in vmware, but debian is not connected to the network anymore. how can I fix that? or do I have to reinstall debian another time? |
| 16:45.46 | nightglider28 | I prefer Kazehkaze for light systems. |
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| 16:45.52 | jpinx | dv_: I couldn't find a way to change the browser user_agent in midori |
| 16:46.04 | nightglider28 | Not necessarily featureful, but doesn't pull useless deps. |
| 16:46.14 | orion_x11 | Sorry to ask again > I changed my source.list to testing instead of lenny > updated and upgraded many packages. It took a long time 4 hours. So, does it means that I ma using "squeeze" now? |
| 16:46.39 | carpii | patrik, thanks, i think max-depth is doing what i wanted :) |
| 16:46.50 | dv_ | orion_x11, yes |
| 16:47.03 | orion_x11 | dv_: :-) |
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| 16:47.47 | nightglider28 | jpinx: The fucked up thing, though, is that Epiphany, gnome-core, and iceweasel are all tied together (I forget what pulls what, but meh), forcing you to have both browsers if you run gnome. |
| 16:48.05 | jpinx | nightglider28: yea - it's a real mess |
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| 16:48.21 | dv_ | hmm can somebody explain to me why openoffice looks like crap from 1995ß |
| 16:48.22 | dv_ | ? |
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| 16:48.37 | jpinx | nightglider28: I'd love to find a tabbed browser that can do JRE, user_agent changes and flash |
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| 16:48.46 | dv_ | I mean, the look of it is like win95 |
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| 16:49.12 | nightglider28 | If memory serves, Gnome-core pulls Epiphany, Epiphany uses Gecko so it pulls Fx. |
| 16:49.35 | dzup | carpii: you can try for example: find /home/ -type d -size +1024k -exec ls -lh {} \; | awk '{ print $8 ": " $5 }' |
| 16:49.40 | abrotman | nightglider28: no |
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| 16:50.03 | dv_ | I mean, I expect it to look more like this: http://www.linuxlinks.com/portal/content/reviews/converting/Screenshots/Screenshot-OpenOffice.png |
| 16:50.28 | carpii | thanks dzup, ill give that a tyr too :) |
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| 16:50.54 | themill | nightglider28: aptitude why gnome epiphany => "Unable to find a reason to install epiphany." .... .oO(says it all really) |
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| 16:51.52 | dv_ | but instead it looks like this: http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6954/openofficeld2.png |
| 16:51.58 | \amethyst | themill: epiphany isn't the browser, though |
| 16:52.12 | themill | \amethyst: yeah, I know... should be -browser :) |
| 16:52.39 | nightglider28 | themill: Epiphany=boulderdash clone. :) |
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| 16:53.04 | nightglider28 | Hrmm.. |
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| 16:53.37 | nightglider28 | The fuk.. |
| 16:53.41 | vipersniper | i download debian 5.0 from the debian.org and burn to cd but the cd will not boot |
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| 16:53.45 | jpinx | so - what is the stand-alone lightweight browser that can do user_agent switching, flash and JRE ? |
| 16:53.48 | Aldus | how do I know in debian if my system is 32 or 64 bit? |
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| 16:54.09 | carpii | jpinx, try firefox? |
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| 16:54.17 | carpii | theres an extension to changeuser agent easily |
| 16:54.18 | vipersniper | Aldus, you download the correct os version |
| 16:54.29 | hark | Aldus: dpkg-architecture |
| 16:54.32 | dv_ | Aldus, uname -a |
| 16:54.37 | MeStesso | ok, I got the interface to work. but now I've a problem: DNS are not working. so, for example "ping 91.121.xxx.xxx" works, while "ping google.com" doesn't... this is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastie.org/390816 what is wrong? |
| 16:54.48 | dv_ | it outputs i386/i686 if its 32bit, amd64 if its 64 |
| 16:54.49 | dv_ | iirc |
| 16:54.56 | Aldus | i686 |
| 16:54.59 | Aldus | so it's 32 bit, thanks |
| 16:55.09 | nightglider28 | jpinx: Define lightweight. |
| 16:55.24 | dv_ | also note that intel core duos support amd64 |
| 16:55.26 | themill | dv_: except of course you can run an amd64 kernel with a 32bit userspace |
| 16:55.30 | jpinx | nightglider28: low space usage on the hdd |
| 16:55.41 | dv_ | themill, not out of the box though |
| 16:55.57 | nightglider28 | jpinx: I liked Kasehakaze when I tried it on Fluxbuntu, but it's been awhile, so I'm not sure it fills your requiremenst. |
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| 16:56.00 | magyar | hi, have this line in my fstab "//dc01/unix_dump$ /mnt/dc01 cifs user,credentials=/etc/cifs.secret 0 0" it doesn't mount at boot time |
| 16:56.00 | vipersniper | this cd will not boot debian-Lenny-DI-rc2-ia64-CD-1.iso |
| 16:56.02 | vipersniper | why |
| 16:56.03 | abrotman | jpinx: sadly .. nothing |
| 16:56.11 | abrotman | vipersniper: because you're on amd64, not ia64 |
| 16:56.39 | hark | dv_: install the openoffice kde/gtk/gnome package |
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| 16:56.48 | orion_x11 | I did not know that debian 5.0 was about to be released so 2 days before I built a new lenny (which was still testing) through jigdo and now I wanted to build another testing (squeeze) dvd through the not so old lenny dvd I have. But, there is no .template and .jigdo to squeeze yet, So I am using that still lenny (testing) to make a lenny stable. Then when .template and .jigdo for squeeze is available I want to use lenny stable to make a squeeze. Will i |
| 16:56.48 | orion_x11 | t be possible? |
| 16:56.53 | jpinx | abrotman: yea - my quest continues......... |
| 16:56.55 | dv_ | already on it. didnt know these are separated.. |
| 16:56.55 | vipersniper | abrotman, im on intel |
| 16:56.57 | \amethyst | vipersniper: ia64 is itanium, amd64 is x86_64 |
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| 16:57.01 | MeStesso | it's cool too see I'm completely ignored :) |
| 16:57.02 | abrotman | vipersniper: you want amd64 |
| 16:57.07 | vipersniper | ok |
| 16:57.09 | vipersniper | thanks |
| 16:57.11 | abrotman | MeStesso: did you say something? |
| 16:57.11 | stew | its too bad that renaming i386 to x86 and amd64 to x86_64 is not something that is likely to happen in the debian archive |
| 16:57.15 | dv_ | ia64 is rare on desktops |
| 16:57.18 | \amethyst | vipersniper: it's called amd64 even for intel chips because intel copied AMD's instruction set |
| 16:57.19 | stew | and renaming contrib while we're at it |
| 16:57.20 | themill | dv_: it's only an "aptitude install linux-image-amd64" away |
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| 16:57.25 | MeStesso | abrotman: ok, I got the interface to work. but now I've a problem: DNS are not working. so, for example "ping 91.121.xxx.xxx" works, while "ping google.com" doesn't... this is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastie.org/390816 what is wrong? |
| 16:57.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:57.29 | jpinx | wonders how long it would take to build a browser from scratch |
| 16:57.38 | abrotman | MeStesso: look at your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:57.46 | nightglider28 | Ok. |
| 16:57.46 | dv_ | jpinx, depends. for example, it is very easy to get webkit to work in qt4. |
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| 16:57.53 | carpii | i think writing a browser would sap the will to live out of me |
| 16:57.54 | themill | stew: s/contrib/fraught/ perhaps? or s/contrib/problematic/? |
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| 16:58.05 | cryingtux | abrotman: do the lenny live cds come with an installer ? |
| 16:58.06 | maligor | jpinx, very easy if you define telnet as a 'browser' |
| 16:58.06 | sy | ok, if my sources.list uses "stable" then my debian 4.0 server will get trashed if i update or upgrade right ? |
| 16:58.11 | dv_ | jpinx, if you include the html renderer and the network code, it becomes *very* hard |
| 16:58.18 | themill | dpkg: tell sy about stable sources.list |
| 16:58.18 | carpii | and javascript engine :p |
| 16:58.20 | abrotman | cryingtux: i'm not sure, why not use the regular installer ? |
| 16:58.24 | themill | sy: correct... it's not a good plan |
| 16:58.35 | jpinx | dv_: :( |
| 16:58.38 | MeStesso | abrotman: http://pastie.org/390823 that's it. is it correct? |
| 16:58.43 | stew | themill: i don't know. but 'contrib' does nothing to help people understand what it is |
| 16:58.45 | sy | a lot of people might not know about this |
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| 16:58.51 | nightglider28 | dv_: I stand corrected. I just removed epiphany and its components. |
| 16:58.59 | abrotman | MeStesso: if that is your internal dns server |
| 16:59.00 | dv_ | jpinx, but why would you want to write an html renderer + network stuff? |
| 16:59.10 | cryingtux | abrotman: sure i will, i accidentally downloaded the live and i dont see any installer, so i guess i will download regular one |
| 16:59.18 | dv_ | jpinx, most people actually want to do the stuff on top of that. |
| 16:59.30 | abrotman | MeStesso: based on your interfaces file, i'm skeptical |
| 16:59.32 | themill | stew: very true. Especially with the usual meaning of contrib in the "someone else's dodgy scripts that we've included as examples" menaing. |
| 16:59.34 | MeStesso | abrotman: dunno :) I just know that ip's not in my home network... I must set up opendns |
| 16:59.37 | nightglider28 | jpinx: It would be insanely difficult to write a browser from scratch. |
| 16:59.47 | jpinx | dv_: it has to do basic html rendering - naturally |
| 16:59.48 | sy | if i change my sources.list to refer to the etch pool will my server be preserved ? |
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| 17:00.20 | themill | sy: correct, a lot of people dont know about this. And we try to convince people of that here, but some people tell us that it's not a problem. Yes, change your sources.list to point only to etch and you'll be ok. |
| 17:00.29 | nightglider28 | jpinx: The renderer would be a royal pia simply due to the errors it would have to handle from the broken HTML/CSS/JavaScript/etc that 95% of the web is composed of. |
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| 17:00.53 | MeStesso | abrotman: ok it works. I edited that file and included OpenDNS (208.67.222.222) now it's working. thank you! |
| 17:00.58 | carpii | trying to write a browser without a large team of devs is just pointless |
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| 17:01.01 | abrotman | MeStesso: enjoy |
| 17:01.03 | jpinx | makes you appreciate the browser you've got ;) |
| 17:01.05 | carpii | youd be better off joining the firefox team or something |
| 17:01.10 | nightglider28 | jpinx: Indeed. |
| 17:01.12 | carpii | and contribute rather than compete |
| 17:01.20 | jpinx | carpii: good idea..... |
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| 17:01.48 | abrotman | jpinx: i was trying to get uh .. kazehakase to work .. but the webkit version is utterly useless and crashful |
| 17:01.52 | nightglider28 | jpinx: I read a /. comment from a guy who did try to make his own browser from scratch and gave up because he couldn't get the renderer to handle the pile of shit that is myspace. :P |
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| 17:02.15 | carpii | heh yeah, the problemis writing something thats standards compliant, but then is flexible enough to handle crappy markup |
| 17:02.19 | jpinx | nightglider28: hehehe |
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| 17:02.27 | carpii | no wonder theyre all full of bugs :D |
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| 17:03.01 | jpinx | iceweasel is just ffx with some naming changes, supposedly, but they *are* different |
| 17:03.07 | nightglider28 | Offtopic:How long is the oldstable branch maintained for? Until it's no longer oldstable? |
| 17:03.11 | dv_ | jpinx, also html stuff is chock full of special cases |
| 17:03.23 | abrotman | nightglider28: security support for maybe a year |
| 17:03.32 | dv_ | this type of stuff has to mature over time, something you would have to do on your own with the code |
| 17:03.36 | dv_ | -> not good. |
| 17:04.01 | nightglider28 | jpinx: Apparently, Debian patches the hell out of Fx and Mozilla considered the result of the patching a competing product, so doens't allow Debian to use the Mozilla logos/trademarks. |
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| 17:04.20 | orion_x11 | Again > I did not know that debian 5.0 was about to be released. So 2 days before I built a new lenny (which was still testing) through jigdo and now I wanted to build another testing (squeeze) dvd through the not so old lenny dvd I have. But, there is no .template and .jigdo to squeeze yet, So I am using that still lenny (testing) to make a lenny stable. Then when .template and .jigdo for squeeze is available I want to use lenny stable to make a squeez |
| 17:04.21 | orion_x11 | e. Will it be possible? |
| 17:04.30 | jpinx | nightglider28: ah - ok -- that explains it...;) |
| 17:04.32 | dv_ | people called mozilla for help with the patched debian stuff |
| 17:04.40 | dv_ | so mozilla was a little fed up |
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| 17:04.59 | dv_ | because they dont really know about the patches, its not their work |
| 17:05.18 | jpinx | at least iceweasel seems to be standalone - no huge dependencies |
| 17:05.32 | dv_ | no, but iw itself is huge :) |
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| 17:05.40 | jpinx | dv_: yea |
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| 17:05.57 | jpinx | but it's the thing you probably use most on your computer |
| 17:06.10 | nightglider28 | jpinx: It requires Gnome. :P |
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| 17:06.24 | dv_ | unfortunately, due to the nature of the HTML DOM, and all the images & plugins today's pages have, a small memory footprint is very hard to achieve in a browser |
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| 17:07.24 | nightglider28 | I'd love it if, when Mozilla has more marketshare, they start tweaking Gecko to accept less and less broken code. :P |
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| 17:07.43 | carpii | well its the only way people are gonna start writing better html really |
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| 17:07.44 | orion_x11 | rolling up too quickly > I did not know that debian 5.0 was about to be released. So 2 days before I built a new lenny (which was still testing) through jigdo and now I wanted to build another testing (squeeze) dvd through the not so old lenny dvd I have. But, there is no .template and .jigdo to squeeze yet, So I am using that still lenny (testing) to make a lenny stable. Then when .template and .jigdo for squeeze is available I want to use lenny stable |
| 17:07.44 | orion_x11 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:08.26 | carpii | i wonder how much faster a browser would be if it could assume all html was 100% valid |
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| 17:08.46 | nightglider28 | carpii: It would freeze pretty fucking quick. ;) |
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| 17:08.56 | carpii | hehe :) |
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| 17:09.28 | Aldus | I have a fresh debian installation, but it says that the port 25 (mail server) is taken. What should I stop/uninstall to free this port? |
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| 17:09.42 | carpii | try ps aux | grep sendmail |
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| 17:09.51 | abrotman | Aldus: it means you have a mail server running .. is that not what you want ? |
| 17:09.51 | Farhadix | mikala: |
| 17:10.00 | Farhadix | sorry |
| 17:10.07 | Aldus | i have licensed surgemail, i want to install that |
| 17:10.23 | nightglider28 | carpii: But that actually would be interesting. |
| 17:10.27 | Aldus | carpii: root 10402 0.0 0.0 2852 704 pts/0 S+ 19:09 0:00 grep sendmail |
| 17:10.43 | abrotman | Aldus: you'll have to use something like equivs to make it work correctly |
| 17:10.59 | nightglider28 | carpii: I bet if people know how much faster browing could be with valid code, they'd start pushing for better standards compliance. |
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| 17:11.16 | carpii | yup |
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| 17:11.36 | damjan_ | Aldus: netstat -tlnp |
| 17:11.48 | carpii | tho until IE is insignificant ppl are always gonna have to pollute their css and html with crap just to get it working there :/ |
| 17:11.55 | carpii | anyway, i need sleep, ciao :) |
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| 17:12.11 | Aldus | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2 255/exim4 |
| 17:12.16 | nightglider28 | carpii: The renderer could accept code with typos (one or two errors that would produce an error, but render fine), but would simply toss shit like myspace. :P |
| 17:12.32 | nightglider28 | carpii: 'night |
| 17:12.35 | nightglider28 | damn. |
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| 17:12.43 | nightglider28 | Who else wants to carry on this discussion with me? |
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| 17:13.18 | orion_x11 | Why is that I cannot write any email with free browsers in hotmail account? |
| 17:13.41 | abrotman | !tell Aldus about equivs |
| 17:13.54 | abrotman | orion_x11: which have you tried ? |
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| 17:14.16 | nightglider28 | orion_x11: Free as in OSS? |
| 17:14.28 | nightglider28 | orion_x11: I think I heard something about hotmail blocking anything but IE. |
| 17:14.32 | nightglider28 | orion_x11: Don't quote me on that, thoughj. |
| 17:14.38 | orion_x11 | iceape, iceweasel, epiphany |
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| 17:15.06 | nightglider28 | orion_x11: Try changing the useragent and retrying. |
| 17:15.27 | orion_x11 | nightglider28: no idea how to to that |
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| 17:16.28 | orion_x11 | nightglider28: how? |
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| 17:16.58 | nightglider28 | orion_x11: Type about:config in the address bar. |
| 17:17.35 | orion_x11 | nightglider28: done |
| 17:17.52 | nightglider28 | Type in useragent and wait a second. |
| 17:18.15 | orion_x11 | ok |
| 17:18.19 | orion_x11 | and (...) |
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| 17:19.15 | nightglider28 | Where it says iceweasel, Change it to (i think) Internet Explorer. Not sure what version to use. |
| 17:19.22 | nightglider28 | I think you can even use Mosaic. |
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| 17:19.49 | nightglider28 | But I've never had to use an IE useragent. Firefox, yes. |
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| 17:20.34 | orion_x11 | nightglider28: do you mean that I can also write "mosaic"? |
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| 17:21.19 | nightglider28 | orion_x11: Try Internet Explorer. |
| 17:21.23 | nightglider28 | ffs i can't type. |
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| 17:21.31 | nightglider28 | had to retype IE at least 5 times. |
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| 17:23.47 | nightglider28 | bbias-food |
| 17:24.00 | nightglider28 | orion_x11: If it doesn't work, hold tight. I'll be back in 15-20 mins. |
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| 17:26.03 | orion_x11 | nightglider28: did not work :-( |
| 17:26.22 | joko | Hi, which tool would you recommend me to set which services should start at default? |
| 17:26.41 | OldMonk | joko: update-rc.d |
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| 17:28.10 | joko | OldMonk: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/lighttpd exists during rc.d purge <= Should I use -f to properly remove it? |
| 17:28.18 | OldMonk | joko: yes |
| 17:28.26 | joko | Thanks |
| 17:28.38 | orion_x11 | another boring thing is that when accessing www.hotmail.com it always asks to update the browser |
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| 17:29.22 | joko | orion_x11: I think hotmail is now offering free POP3 access... |
| 17:29.25 | joko | ;) |
| 17:29.45 | craigevil | hotmail works just fine if you set the user.agent in iceweasel to Firefox |
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| 17:30.13 | jpinx | back to browser issues again..... |
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| 17:30.42 | klaus | nvidia-xconfig doesnt work due to an empty xorg.con |
| 17:30.43 | klaus | f |
| 17:30.50 | abrotman | X -configure |
| 17:30.58 | klaus | thx |
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| 17:32.07 | jpinx | I know firefoa has a development team and a # - what about iceweasel? |
| 17:32.12 | jpinx | *firefox |
| 17:32.22 | parsifal_ | Is there a common command that does math functions? |
| 17:32.30 | parsifal_ | like if I give it 10/13, it'll give me the result? |
| 17:32.35 | craigevil | bc |
| 17:32.38 | OldMonk | parsifal_: bc |
| 17:32.40 | sy | i wonder how fragile the testing pool is right now ? |
| 17:33.19 | craigevil | sy: testing wont be bad for a while, even in sid so far i have only had 50 updates in the last few days |
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| 17:33.34 | parsifal_ | craigevil, OldMonk, Great; how do I get it to return results as floats? |
| 17:33.41 | OldMonk | parsifal_: bc -l |
| 17:33.53 | parsifal_ | ah |
| 17:33.54 | sy | wow, i wonder if i can bind the windows key on my keyboard to switch screens in screen |
| 17:34.06 | OldMonk | or you can set precision in bc itself |
| 17:34.06 | parsifal_ | perfect, thanks OldMonk |
| 17:34.10 | parsifal_ | oh |
| 17:34.11 | parsifal_ | ? |
| 17:34.18 | craigevil | jpinx: iceweasel is updated when firefox is, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009020409 Firefox/3.0.6 (Debian-3.0.6-1) GTB5 |
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| 17:34.22 | parsifal_ | I think ideally I'll be binding this to a shortcut in vim |
| 17:34.29 | OldMonk | parsifal_: man bc, there's some variable you can set for precision |
| 17:34.37 | cirzgamanti` | is there intel speedstep functionality available for debian? |
| 17:34.39 | parsifal_ | so I can do math calculations.. if I could get it to round to 3 decimal places, that'd be ideal |
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| 17:35.11 | jpinx | craigevil: ok - ta |
| 17:35.30 | jelly | parsifal_: if you're doing integet math only, even bash can do $((2+2)) |
| 17:35.41 | parsifal_ | jelly, nah I need float but thanks |
| 17:35.41 | jamesstanley | parsifal_: places is a variable for the number of decimal places |
| 17:36.00 | OldMonk | parsifal_: scale=3 |
| 17:36.08 | jamesstanley | scale even, my bad |
| 17:36.24 | jelly | parsifal_: echo 'scale=4; 4/7'|bc |
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| 17:36.37 | orion_x11 | craigevil: Unfortunately, did not work here :-( |
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| 17:36.53 | parsifal_ | jelly, that is perfect |
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| 17:37.16 | parsifal_ | What would the vim syntax be for putting the currently-selected text in for the calculation? |
| 17:37.18 | parsifal_ | I want to key-bind it |
| 17:37.19 | jelly | cirzgamanti`: it's available for Linux. |
| 17:37.27 | jelly | cirzgamanti`: so, yes. |
| 17:38.20 | OldMonk | parsifal_: may not work as you want, you'll probably have to write a macro for it |
| 17:38.32 | nightglider28 | Back. |
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| 17:38.43 | OldMonk | parsifal_: since you'll have to add the scale portion somehow to the selected text |
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| 17:38.50 | sosnix | hi |
| 17:38.56 | sosnix | who can great english? |
| 17:39.02 | sosnix | or from UK |
| 17:39.02 | cirzgamanti` | mine |
| 17:39.05 | parsifal_ | OldMonk, lol, yeah substituting % in for the formula didn't work very well |
| 17:39.22 | nightglider28 | jpinx: Since when did they offer free pop3?! |
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| 17:39.44 | nightglider28 | Since the better servies did, too? :P |
| 17:39.58 | orion_x11 | nightglider28: I have changed the useragent to Internet Explore, Mosaic and Firefox and did not work. Still not writing, but only reading emails :-( |
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| 17:40.21 | nightglider28 | orion_x11: Oh, you can read emails? |
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| 17:40.37 | nightglider28 | In that case the useagent has nothing to do with it. |
| 17:40.50 | nightglider28 | Possibly a javascript issue. do you have NoScript installed? |
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| 17:41.06 | enouf | when installing a pkg; i see -> (Reading database ... 163945 files and directories currently installed.) <-- which file/dir(s) is that exactly ?? |
| 17:41.11 | spaceninja | when will I have the chance to install gnome? |
| 17:41.15 | spaceninja | during the installation |
| 17:41.16 | parsifal_ | I'll just use this pc/em calculator I found online |
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| 17:41.28 | orion_x11 | nightglider28: apt-get noscript? |
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| 17:41.39 | parsifal_ | except it doesn't have an IE version.. ugh, what a pain in the ass this is |
| 17:42.26 | craigevil | User Agent Switcher > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59 |
| 17:42.30 | nightglider28 | orion_x11: No, it's an addon for IceWeasel. If you have it that could be the problem. |
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| 17:42.39 | nightglider28 | orion_x11: if not then I can't be sure. |
| 17:42.52 | nightglider28 | craigevil: He's able to read, but not write. Not a useragent issue. |
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| 17:43.23 | Fah | parsifal_: IE version? Are you still working on calculations? you know google does math right? |
| 17:43.25 | jintxo | enouf, I've asked myself that before and just assumed that is the number of files / folders contained in all installed .deb packages. |
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| 17:43.49 | jintxo | could be some other numbe, I guess. just makes sense that way |
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| 17:44.44 | jpinx | orion_x11: I can't write mails in hotmail either |
| 17:44.48 | enouf | jintxo: well .. i previously thought i found it in file:///var/lib/dpkg/{available,status} |
| 17:44.52 | jpinx | so I use Yahoo instead ;) |
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| 17:44.59 | enouf | and i may have |
| 17:45.07 | nightglider28 | jpinx: Bah. Gmail. :P |
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| 17:45.42 | jpinx | orion_x11: I have never been able to resolve that issue and I just put it down to a MS exclusivity thing |
| 17:45.51 | jpinx | nightglider28: yea - that too |
| 17:46.07 | nightglider28 | jpinx: I would love to host my own mail server. :( |
| 17:46.09 | craigevil | i just sent my self an email using hotmail to my yahoo account no problem writing whatsoever |
| 17:46.24 | craigevil | works just fine |
| 17:46.26 | jpinx | nightglider28: I have a server with postfix running |
| 17:46.45 | jpinx | craigevil: what browser are you using? |
| 17:46.48 | orion_x11 | jpinx: So do I. But, I'd like to fix this. Are they so smart? |
| 17:46.49 | jintxo | enouf, but those two files you reference just list information about packages, not their contents, right? |
| 17:46.55 | nightglider28 | jpinx: I have a server on a 768/128k line. |
| 17:47.00 | nightglider28 | jpinx: kBITS. |
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| 17:47.10 | jpinx | nightglider28: ah........ |
| 17:47.17 | craigevil | Iceweasel Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009020409 Firefox/3.0.6 (Debian-3.0.6-1) GTB5 |
| 17:47.27 | jpinx | mines in a hi-tech park on a uni campus |
| 17:47.28 | nightglider28 | jpinx: Can't do much with it until I get it on my 650kB/150kB line. |
| 17:47.44 | nightglider28 | jpinx: Mine's on my mother's connection. I'm bringing it down to where I live, though. |
| 17:48.00 | jpinx | craigevil: what settingshave you changed? |
| 17:48.25 | spaceninja | so the base system isn't installed through apt? |
| 17:48.26 | craigevil | other than changing the user.agent to Firefox none that would affect hotmail |
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| 17:48.38 | parsifal_ | how does vim pass data with !? |
| 17:48.47 | parsifal_ | is it stdin? is it as arguments? |
| 17:48.50 | OldMonk | parsifal_: it replaces data |
| 17:48.58 | jpinx | craigevil: ok - I'll try that again |
| 17:48.58 | dvs | !wwsl |
| 17:49.03 | OldMonk | or wait, it can pass too if you use :! |
| 17:49.03 | parsifal_ | no I mean, how does it pass what you select to the command? |
| 17:49.22 | OldMonk | parsifal_: select; then: :!bc -l |
| 17:49.45 | parsifal_ | OldMonk, I ended up writing a Bash script, but using $1 in the script doesn't seem to work |
| 17:50.13 | OldMonk | parsifal_: it'll be on stdin, not an argument |
| 17:50.21 | parsifal_ | OldMonk, I figured; thanks |
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| 17:51.11 | parsifal_ | YAY, worked |
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| 17:52.18 | enouf | jintxo: there's no need to reference contents - "reading database..." cannot possibly mean dpkg -c *.deb .. can it? |
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| 17:52.36 | enouf | or even worse .. grepping it |
| 17:52.38 | enouf | all |
| 17:52.43 | orion_x11 | jpinx: Have you tried craigevil hint? I've tried here, but no lucky :-( |
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| 17:53.22 | jpinx | craigevil: and orion_x11 - it seems that hotmail is *very* sensetive tot he useragent |
| 17:53.24 | jintxo | enouf, so you're looking for the database? |
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| 17:54.01 | enouf | jintxo: kind of , yes |
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| 17:54.17 | jpinx | orion_x11: I set it to netscape on XP and I can now send from hotmail |
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| 17:54.57 | enouf | jintxo: i've mv those files in there i mentioned OFF the HDD - then returned them .. HOWEVER .. all those blocks freed are marked free at that point, BUT i didn't fill them prior to mv back |
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| 17:55.26 | enouf | jintxo: i'm a FS contiguous allocation nut |
| 17:55.36 | orion_x11 | jpinx: Do you mean that if I set it to netscape in firefox, iceape and iceweasel it might work? |
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| 17:56.02 | orion_x11 | jpinx: I am in debian |
| 17:56.11 | jpinx | orion_x11: I have it set to netscape on XP and it works |
| 17:56.19 | jpinx | I am on debian too |
| 17:56.40 | khaleel5000 | I am in debian |
| 17:56.51 | jpinx | orion_x11: the user_agent is just an identifier for the browser and can actually say anything you want |
| 17:57.17 | craigevil | Debians iceweasel works just fine with hotmail, ive sent a test msg to yahoo and gmail both arrived, and yes i can write the mesage as well, using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009020409 Firefox/3.0.6 (Debian-3.0.6-1) GTB5 |
| 17:57.19 | jintxo | enouf, I see, hehe. I' not sure I understand you though. so you moved 2 files of your HD, you moved them back, and the blocks that were freed when you moved them off are still free, right? isn't that kind of normal? |
| 17:58.04 | jpinx | craigevil: it only works if you change the user_agent |
| 17:58.09 | enouf | jintxo: yes - but i forgot about all that .. until after i did the deed ... i forgot to leave them off (for a while) |
| 17:58.26 | craigevil | jpinx: i set mine to Firefox fro day one so i can use google extensions |
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| 17:58.49 | enouf | jintxo: more than two - there are/were those backup versions too - anything semi-large within that dir/ |
| 17:58.51 | jpinx | craigevil: exactly - it does not work out-of-the-box ;) |
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| 17:59.02 | jintxo | "did the deed" .. ... yes .... sounds interesting hehehe |
| 17:59.06 | orion_x11 | jpinx: do you mean that if I change the useragent in those browsers to Netscape it might work? |
| 17:59.15 | jpinx | orion_x11: yes |
| 17:59.18 | linkslice | when adding an alias that I want to be permanent do I have to 'add auto eth1:1' or is it enough to just add the alias string? |
| 17:59.34 | enouf | jintxo: to be honest though - it does work .. i've donwe it previously with all of /home and /usr/share/doc/* |
| 17:59.39 | OldMonk | linkslice: add it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:59.53 | linkslice | OldMonk, yeah that's the file I'm talking about |
| 18:00.02 | orion_x11 | jpinx: I will try then. But, do I write "Netscape" or "netscape"? |
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| 18:00.23 | OldMonk | linkslice: you have to auto it too, otherwise it won't come up at boot |
| 18:00.30 | jpinx | orion_x11: maybe you need to google user_agent and read up a bit |
| 18:00.33 | valdyn | linkslice: interfaces does not need to know that its an alias, so it probably does not |
| 18:00.42 | jintxo | enouf, I'm not 100% sure I understand you, but it seems you're "defragging" by moving files off the FS and then back on. did I get that right? so you move them back and some are fragmented and that's what bothers you? |
| 18:00.42 | valdyn | linkslice: which means that its like any other interface |
| 18:00.43 | linkslice | that's what I thought. |
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| 18:01.21 | valdyn | linkslice: beside that it would also not be convenient to have no way to make aliases go up only manually |
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| 18:01.45 | inSanity808 | hi ppl |
| 18:01.50 | inSanity808 | I cant find mencoder |
| 18:01.51 | nightglider28 | 'lo |
| 18:01.59 | inSanity808 | using aptitude |
| 18:02.08 | hark | inSanity808: it's not in debian |
| 18:02.08 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 18:02.08 | dpkg | hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze> |
| 18:02.09 | inSanity808 | is it in the debian repository? |
| 18:02.12 | valdyn | inSanity808: ^^^ |
| 18:02.17 | inSanity808 | k thanks :) |
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| 18:02.21 | hark | inSanity808: but you can /msg dpkg mencoder |
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| 18:02.33 | enouf | jintxo: kind of - the thing is - all those fragmented areas of the disk, which are now free, need to FIRST to be filled by other crap that's not large . so it's not an issue ... THEN the large portions moved bacl |
| 18:02.36 | enouf | back |
| 18:02.52 | OldMonk | how many countries are the debian multimedia packages patented in? |
| 18:03.03 | valdyn | OldMonk: this is mainly about the usa |
| 18:03.05 | enouf | jintxo: once you've filled all the prior space marked as free (that is fragged) |
| 18:03.33 | enouf | jintxo: but note - now .. i'm dealing with a FS / disk that's 96% full ;-) |
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| 18:03.36 | jelly | enouf: or one can copy off everything, reformat and put back and not care for the next 3-5 years |
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| 18:03.48 | valdyn | OldMonk: code patents arent really defendable in court at most countries |
| 18:03.55 | enouf | jelly: bingo - i choose to do it one dir/ at a time ;-) |
| 18:04.04 | enouf | one parent dir/ that is |
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| 18:04.19 | OldMonk | isn't it a bit unfair to everyone else to keep packages from debian main just because of one country? |
| 18:04.21 | valdyn | OldMonk: its quite irrelevant where they are patented |
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| 18:04.37 | jelly | enouf: yes... that doesn't work |
| 18:04.38 | OldMonk | valdyn: most countries don't have software patents at all |
| 18:04.39 | valdyn | OldMonk: ( except for the usa ) |
| 18:04.45 | valdyn | OldMonk: oh, youre wrong |
| 18:04.47 | jintxo | enouf, that sounds like a lot of work, and I don't think you'd get where you want to get |
| 18:04.49 | OldMonk | officially europe doesn't have them |
| 18:04.51 | valdyn | OldMonk: europa has ALOT |
| 18:05.03 | OldMonk | valdyn: uh-huh, not officially |
| 18:05.05 | Mikaze | Grease the politician's palms to get what you want here. |
| 18:05.13 | valdyn | OldMonk: it has alot, they are registered and paid for, they are just not useful in court |
| 18:05.15 | enouf | jintxo: oh , but i have |
| 18:05.19 | negge | guys I need some advice. I decided to start using a firewall on my home server so I installed UFW (please don't bash me for not hacking with iptables...). Now I ran "netstat -tap | grep smb" to find out which port Samba is listening on and it tells me it uses port 2203, however, even if I allow all connections on that port I cannot mount any shares if I set the default policy to deny. What am I doing wrong here? |
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| 18:05.38 | enouf | when i enter /home now? .. BAM! |
| 18:05.42 | enouf | it's all there |
| 18:05.49 | enouf | no disk chuggging |
| 18:06.00 | valdyn | OldMonk: yea, we agree |
| 18:06.02 | valdyn | OldMonk: i guess |
| 18:06.03 | OldMonk | valdyn: ok, those are software patents that have been sneaked into the register under some other guise |
| 18:06.11 | Mikaze | recommends arnos-iptables-firewall. |
| 18:06.11 | nightglider28 | enouf: Was it you who showed me that my bcm modules were in the netinst cd? |
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| 18:06.35 | valdyn | OldMonk: i dont know if they got sneaked |
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| 18:06.55 | jintxo | negge, usually samba would listen on 139 and 445 (usual windows SMB ports). are you sure that's samba on 2203? |
| 18:06.57 | negge | Mikaze: any particular reason to ditch iptables in favor of it? The ultimate solution for me would be a firewall that can be remotely administered using a GUI |
| 18:06.59 | n0dl | hello, I just installed the nvidia legacy drivers and X refuses to start. When i try lsmod | grep nvidia, nothing is printed to the console. When I try to modprobe nvidia i get an error stating there is no such device. When i tried locate nvidia.ko, however, it shows up in /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/nvidia.ko. |
| 18:07.28 | OldMonk | valdyn: since they're s/w patents, and europe doesn't permit patents on s/w, i'd assume they got sneaked :) |
| 18:07.41 | nightglider28 | ack. |
| 18:07.46 | valdyn | OldMonk: europe doesnt disallow those patents |
| 18:07.47 | nightglider28 | !nvidia |
| 18:07.47 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 18:07.51 | negge | jintxo: yeah now that you mention it I remember using port 445 at work on one server, the strange thing is netstat doesn't show any action on that port whatsoever |
| 18:07.58 | OldMonk | and i believe the irish patent office was merrily granting s/w patents to everyone who asked |
| 18:08.01 | valdyn | OldMonk: patenting something is entirely unrelated to being able to defend it in court |
| 18:08.03 | jpinx | OldMonk: since when did europe ban patents on software? |
| 18:08.04 | OldMonk | or maybe s/asked/paid/ |
| 18:08.11 | nightglider28 | valdyn: uhhh, heh, not really. |
| 18:08.18 | valdyn | nightglider28: yes |
| 18:08.18 | OldMonk | jpinx: that was the last i heard on ffii |
| 18:08.22 | enouf | nightglider28: er ... |
| 18:08.34 | nightglider28 | Europe doesn't recognize software patents... |
| 18:08.36 | OldMonk | jpinx: or maybe not banned, but voted against |
| 18:08.36 | negge | jintxo: I'll try allowing port 445... |
| 18:08.41 | jintxo | negge, I just checked a couple samba servers I got and those are the ports they listen on ... have you changed the defaults? |
| 18:08.43 | jpinx | europe hasn't banned skype - for example |
| 18:08.53 | OldMonk | jpinx: skype isn't a software patent |
| 18:08.55 | enouf | nightglider28: i said netinstall has /pool/main only , no /contrib nor /non-free |
| 18:09.09 | OldMonk | it's software that is patented in .us, which is a different matter |
| 18:09.10 | parsifal_ | Does anyone know of a program that provides clipboard history? |
| 18:09.21 | negge | jintxo: not that I recall |
| 18:09.22 | negge | I |
| 18:09.23 | nightglider28 | enouf: Well apparently the netinst did have my module. Thanks, anyway. :) |
| 18:09.23 | parsifal_ | so your last X copies/pastes are saved |
| 18:09.33 | OldMonk | but technically skype can't defend it's software using patents in europe, or india for that matter |
| 18:09.33 | negge | I'll try remounting the shares now |
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| 18:09.42 | nightglider28 | jpinx: Skype isn't patented, simply closed-source. |
| 18:09.42 | amphi | jpinx: they're just not recognised; the .eu patent office still seems to like awarding them though |
| 18:09.45 | Quibus | Congratulations all for the release! :-) |
| 18:09.50 | enouf | nightglider28: then it's not in contrib or non-free - AFAICT |
| 18:09.56 | OldMonk | amphi: .eu or individual .eu countries? |
| 18:10.06 | jpinx | amphi: got to keep those beaurocrats working somehow..... |
| 18:10.10 | nightglider28 | enouf: Doesn't matter to me where as long as it works. :P |
| 18:10.11 | amphi | OldMonk: EU, I believe |
| 18:10.11 | enouf | nightglider28: whcih module? lspci -k will show you |
| 18:10.13 | Quibus | Is there a list which package is on which cd? I'm curious where my software ended up :-) |
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| 18:10.27 | OldMonk | hmm, there's a centralised .eu patent office? i didn't know that... |
| 18:10.28 | enouf | nightglider28: well, now, i'm interested .. i need to follow up |
| 18:10.28 | amphi | OldMonk: some countries, also, eg. .uk |
| 18:10.30 | valdyn | nightglider28: patents can be used to sue in court, but just because you own a patent on anything does not mean that that patent is worth anything at all in court |
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| 18:10.40 | negge | jintxo: great, opening up port 445 made it all work smoothly! Still don't have any clue why netstat is talking about port 2203 though... |
| 18:10.45 | nightglider28 | enouf: tg3. |
| 18:10.49 | OldMonk | valdyn: there's also the question of jurisdiction |
| 18:10.58 | dob1 | trying to upgrade from etch to lenny i get a problem with the keys http://rafb.net/p/D2eY6e73.html after apt-get update, what can i do? |
| 18:11.01 | amphi | jpinx: there's plenty of work for them in the salt mines, as far as I'm concerned |
| 18:11.06 | valdyn | nightglider28: thats the whole point, sure there should be a correlation, or the whole system is pointless |
| 18:11.08 | nightglider28 | valdyn: I'm well aware... |
| 18:11.09 | jintxo | negge, 2203 doesn't sound like anything SMB/CIFS related, maybe it's a special samba thing, no idea |
| 18:11.10 | OldMonk | amphi++ |
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| 18:11.38 | nightglider28 | valdyn: Not sure why you're trying to explain this to me, honestly. :) |
| 18:11.48 | negge | jintxo: no matter what switches I used on netstat there was no mention of port 445 anywhere in the output... |
| 18:11.48 | ferret_0567_ | how do I add ssh to the default runlevel? |
| 18:11.50 | jintxo | negge, I know ... your samba process ID (pid) is 2203, right? lol |
| 18:12.16 | OldMonk | anyhow, coming back to my original point -- is it fair to keep software out of debian main repos because of limitations on that software in one country? |
| 18:12.17 | jintxo | you were looking at the wrong column, no? |
| 18:12.20 | negge | jintxo: of course, that's it:D |
| 18:12.20 | jintxo | negge, ^ |
| 18:12.24 | Mikaze | grep "2203" /etc/services |
| 18:12.32 | valdyn | OldMonk: nope |
| 18:12.54 | jintxo | :-) |
| 18:12.55 | valdyn | OldMonk: but its useful |
| 18:12.56 | klaus | what stuff do i need to ugprade for the new alsa whatever? |
| 18:13.01 | nightglider28 | OldMonk: It's less of an issue of legalities between countries and more about differences in licensing. |
| 18:13.01 | klaus | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) doesnt work properly |
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| 18:13.10 | valdyn | OldMonk: marillat is supported just fine |
| 18:13.21 | negge | guess I just looked at the wrong column. I don't even know if "netstat -tap" is the correct way to detect port activity, I just read it in some random article somewhere and have been using it since. Works most of the time:) |
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| 18:13.23 | OldMonk | valdyn: that's not really the point |
| 18:13.28 | enouf | nightglider28: the kernel ships with modules.... and all linux-image-versions are in /pool/main AFAICT - so it's not like those could be in /contrib or /non-free anyway - like other ones, like maybe certain wifi firmware and such can - anyways, !now! i recall finding it for you in MY kernel here (2.6.26-1-686) through a grep .. so |
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| 18:13.36 | OldMonk | nightglider28: is it a licence issue or a patent issue? |
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| 18:13.59 | ferret_0567_ | how do I add ssh to the default runlevel on Debian Lenny? |
| 18:14.04 | valdyn | OldMonk: im european, i know that i can use debian main in the us just fine, and i know where the software that is free in europe and not in the us can be gotten |
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| 18:14.17 | valdyn | OldMonk: thats what i mean with "useful" |
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| 18:14.35 | magyar | hmm. I restarted the /etc/init.d/networking services now mu connection is dead. |
| 18:14.55 | nightglider28 | OldMonk: License. Debian prefers to stay as oss as possible (though I just discovered that all gstreamer plugins are installed by default. Possibly something to do with my use of the netinst disc), so they try to have closed-source stuff and stuff that simply can't be packaged with oss separate. |
| 18:15.19 | nightglider28 | enouf: Yes, the only thing that had to be installed separately was the firmware-iwlwifi package. |
| 18:15.36 | OldMonk | nightglider28: mplayer and all the free codecs are licenced free anyway, aren't they? |
| 18:15.36 | valdyn | OldMonk: but, i would rather like to see dmm in non-us or just somewhere next to main in debian, indeed |
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| 18:15.59 | enouf | nightglider28: well - that's kind of "necessary" for functionality .. isn't it? |
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| 18:16.14 | xxgodsmackxx321 | http://tinyurl.com/cashcrate13 for free cash! |
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| 18:16.17 | enouf | !firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:16.21 | OldMonk | valdyn: exactly, with the installer giving you the option to NOT add it to the default repo list if you happen to be in a patent-restricted country |
| 18:16.28 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: can you help me with adding ssh to the default runlevel? I forget how to do it |
| 18:16.48 | enouf | ferret_0567_: install rcconf ; /msg dpkg rcconf |
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| 18:16.58 | OldMonk | otherwise that repository should get added by default to sources.list |
| 18:17.01 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: thanks |
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| 18:17.24 | OldMonk | prods a couple of debian packagers to light a bit of a fire |
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| 18:17.42 | enouf | ferret_0567_: np |
| 18:18.02 | nightglider28 | OldMonk: I'm think so, but there are also issues such as the gstreamer packages. Some of them have codecs (such as mp3) that, while they aren't directly licensed from their respective patent holders, are reverse engineered. The problem with them is that they may or may not infringe on patents, which is why they're usually not recommended for use in countries that recognize software patents. |
| 18:18.30 | OldMonk | nightglider28: again, i can count the countries that do recognise software patents on the fingers of two hands |
| 18:18.39 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: it seems everything was already enabled |
| 18:18.50 | nightglider28 | enouf: Not entirely. I was able to install it manually. I do plan on getting a wireless router, but until then, ethernet works. |
| 18:18.59 | OldMonk | whereas i'd need to be a centipede to be able to count the countries that do not have software patents :) |
| 18:19.47 | ferret_0567_ | dang, connecting to new IPs is really slow |
| 18:19.52 | ferret_0567_ | wtf? |
| 18:20.03 | ferret_0567_ | nvm |
| 18:20.06 | nightglider28 | OldMonk: So your agument is that all packages should be placed in the same repos because most countries don't recognize the patents that would make some packages legally dubious? |
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| 18:20.19 | enouf | nightglider28: my point is, you asked if a certain module needed was included with the Lenny default kernel .. and one other way to find out for WiFi shit is to see http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2009/02/msg00006.html |
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| 18:20.21 | openIT | hi |
| 18:20.23 | OldMonk | nightglider28: legally dubious in some few countries. |
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| 18:20.30 | openIT | where do i find the standard lenny wallpaper in kde3? |
| 18:20.43 | openIT | i installed lenny, changed the wallpaper but cannot find the default lenny wallpaper |
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| 18:20.57 | nightglider28 | enouf: Sorry, two convos at once. Thanks, though. |
| 18:21.03 | enouf | ferret_0567_: what's the actual prob;em |
| 18:21.03 | Trewas | OldMonk: many european countries have patents related to mp3/mpeg4, at least you get rights to them when you license... however not all of them may be related to software implementations |
| 18:21.04 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: would you please nmap -P0 -p22 70.120.93.94 for me? (It's my home IP address) |
| 18:21.25 | OldMonk | Trewas: enforceable in court? |
| 18:21.29 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: it was a problem with whatismyip.org |
| 18:21.32 | Trewas | OldMonk: who wants to try? |
| 18:21.41 | enouf | ferret_0567_: that's not smart to do in public .. ask me if you can PM me |
| 18:21.41 | OldMonk | Trewas: rms? ;) |
| 18:21.55 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: I wouldn't really worry about it |
| 18:22.12 | enouf | ferret_0567_: you'll get kicked for asking |
| 18:22.17 | enouf | ferret_0567_: understand? |
| 18:22.23 | ferret_0567_ | really? |
| 18:22.25 | nightglider28 | OldMonk: Honestly, I can't debate laws in other countires (indeed, not even in my own). All I know is that different repos have different legal traps in being mixed. |
| 18:22.43 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: seriously? I'll get kicked for asking? |
| 18:23.02 | nightglider28 | OldMonk: Ironically enough, though, the mp3 codec is patented by the Frauenhoffer institute. That's a German name. :P |
| 18:23.11 | OldMonk | hmm, need to talk this over with some lawyers, and maybe rms next time i see him |
| 18:23.12 | Mikaze | It's illegal to do anything in public. |
| 18:23.18 | OldMonk | nightglider28: yeah, it's german :) |
| 18:23.24 | enouf | http://rafb.net/p/OS7FVb23.html |
| 18:23.44 | enouf | ferret_0567_: did i laugh or smile? |
| 18:24.15 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: I don't know, I am not telepathic |
| 18:24.31 | nightglider28 | OldMonk: Now, how this works, I've honestly got no idea. Maybe it's an American company (entirely possible). Maybe they simply patented it in the us only. I don't know. |
| 18:24.36 | enouf | ferret_0567_: but .. you can understand english |
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| 18:24.46 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: I cannot see your face over the internet, nor do I have a secret camera inside your house watching your every move |
| 18:24.57 | OldMonk | nightglider28: nah, it's a german institute, and it's patented in the us and also in europe AFAIR |
| 18:25.06 | enouf | ferret_0567_: that has nothing to do with what i mentioned |
| 18:25.12 | amphi | ferret_0567_: the loss is yours, you can be sure ;) |
| 18:25.21 | OldMonk | with the proviso that the european patent is technically inadmissible in court |
| 18:25.32 | ferret_0567_ | enouf, amphi: I will have the router reconfigured quickly |
| 18:25.40 | abrotman | moves the patent conversation to #debian-offtopic |
| 18:25.40 | enouf | ferret_0567_: you do NOT ask people in a public channel to 'address' any certain personal IP |
| 18:26.09 | enouf | sends in the black helos and the economic hitmen |
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| 18:26.27 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: now I know, but seriously, why would I get kicked for asking? |
| 18:26.32 | jelly | ferret_0567_: well, if we saw your IP in the /whois we might be more inclined to test the visibility of your sshd. |
| 18:26.39 | enouf | ferret_0567_: it's bad netiquette |
| 18:26.49 | nightglider28 | OldMonk: Which makes me question why they patented it in Europe in the first place. Especially considering a patent filed in one country may not be valid in another. |
| 18:27.03 | OldMonk | nightglider28: it's not |
| 18:27.04 | nightglider28 | abrotman: Sorry, I'll stop. |
| 18:27.13 | enouf | ferret_0567_: it's like - "why is it bad for me to say HI when i show up" |
| 18:27.27 | abrotman | don't have to stop .. just asking you to move it to #debian-offtopic .. been going on awhile |
| 18:27.31 | openIT | gets crazy |
| 18:27.38 | openIT | where is the lenny wallpaper?? |
| 18:27.48 | enouf | ferret_0567_: think about if most people did it .. but really? think about if you wanted to DDOS a certain site |
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| 18:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... how long was lenny frozen now? |
| 18:28.13 | enouf | ferret_0567_: you post their IP and ask for hits to test it |
| 18:28.23 | nightglider28 | abrotman: I'm not interested in it enough to go somewhere else, so I'm stopping. :P |
| 18:28.42 | enouf | ferret_0567_: any response youngun? |
| 18:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | nightglider28, you typed so many words on it, and now /join #debian-offtopic is too much? Explain |
| 18:29.33 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: I would think if their website stops working you have succeeded |
| 18:29.41 | enouf | ... |
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| 18:29.51 | enouf | ok .. kick the little wise ass :-P |
| 18:29.54 | nightglider28 | CutMeOwnThroat: My actions don't always have explainations. Most of it is whim. |
| 18:30.15 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: that is, IF people actually hit the site all at once |
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| 18:30.24 | enouf | ferret_0567_: you're too smart not to grasp the concept |
| 18:30.26 | nightglider28 | CutMeOwnThroat: Plus it would've come to a stop, soon, anyway. |
| 18:30.31 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: it would be better to get your own botnet to do the dirty work |
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| 18:30.39 | OldMonk | nightglider28: i'm not so sure about that :) |
| 18:30.42 | enouf | if you don't stop, i',m going to tell your mommy |
| 18:30.45 | cirzgamanti` | how do i ensure that a service like cpudynd runs at system startup? |
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| 18:30.57 | nightglider28 | OldMonk: I would've given up, eventually. |
| 18:31.09 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: don't stop? What am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:31.22 | jelly | cirzgamanti`: debian's services will do that by default after being installed. |
| 18:31.32 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: I've never actually formed a botnet or anything like that before |
| 18:31.33 | enouf | ferret_0567_: nothing - forget it .. really |
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| 18:31.39 | cirzgamanti | jelly: cool. thx |
| 18:31.40 | enouf | move on |
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| 18:32.19 | jelly | cirzgamanti: there are exceptions that need to be configured correctly first; the documentation (/usr/share/doc/packagename) usually points you to edit /etc/default/service to enable it |
| 18:32.24 | enouf | cirzgamanti: rcconf is a nice util |
| 18:32.48 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: the reason why the ssh port is filtered is because the IP address on the LAN is wrong |
| 18:32.56 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: I am going to fix it now\ |
| 18:33.08 | enouf | wondeful |
| 18:33.37 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: notice that I am in #haskell? |
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| 18:33.42 | enouf | no |
| 18:33.47 | cirzgamanti | thx again, i was just looking for the config that is used at startup |
| 18:34.01 | enouf | i only care about money and beautiful women |
| 18:34.04 | enouf | :-P |
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| 18:34.20 | jelly | enouf: ferrets can be loveable. |
| 18:34.30 | enouf | jelly: and biting |
| 18:34.33 | ferret_0567_ | only cares about money and computers |
| 18:34.53 | hologram | i just really like sandwiches |
| 18:34.56 | cirzgamanti | enouf: thx for rcconf, looks useful |
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| 18:35.07 | ferret_0567_ | enouf: biting? you don't think I'm one of those wild tree ferrets, do you? |
| 18:35.08 | enouf | hologram: ham and cheese? |
| 18:35.17 | enouf | cirzgamanti: yes, i use it |
| 18:35.21 | asarch | Can I use the "NetInstall" ISO to boot from an USB stick? |
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| 18:35.43 | enouf | ferret_0567_: no more OT here please = it's not ##linux |
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| 18:35.44 | ferret_0567_ | asarch: yeah, but it only do netinstall, not install from the drive |
| 18:35.45 | hologram | enouf: no. i mean SANDWICHES man .. the kind you build up from a blueprint ... the kind of real sandwich that takes planning and testing |
| 18:35.48 | enouf | thanks |
| 18:36.15 | asarch | How can I copy the ISO image to the USB stick? |
| 18:36.22 | asarch | Is it with dd? |
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| 18:36.47 | enouf | sends hologram into the kitchen to whip up some sandwiches |
| 18:36.48 | sunkan | Rebooting server upgraded etch->lenny. Cross your fingers.. |
| 18:36.50 | ferret_0567_ | asarch: no, besides you would have to copy GRUB with eltorito support to your USB drive |
| 18:36.52 | hologram | enouf: :) |
| 18:37.00 | enouf | ;-) |
| 18:37.11 | ferret_0567_ | hologram: I want a really good sandwich right now |
| 18:37.18 | hologram | ferret_0567_: follow your dreams! |
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| 18:37.27 | hologram | ferret_0567_: with sandwiches anything is possible! |
| 18:37.27 | phogg | computers are magic... the right incantation makes anything work |
| 18:37.36 | ferret_0567_ | hologram: can't, have to administer my boxes |
| 18:38.05 | hologram | blasphemy .. |
| 18:38.10 | hologram | putting computers over sandwiches.. |
| 18:38.13 | hologram | for shame! |
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| 18:38.29 | enouf | asarch: i believe that's all outlined in the Installation Guide |
| 18:38.44 | enouf | asarch: /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 18:38.49 | ferret_0567_ | hologram: F*** sandwiches when I can fix a problem with my computers |
| 18:38.51 | jelly | phogg: my laptop can't do a good sandwich. And the toast only gets lukewarm |
| 18:39.09 | hologram | ferret_0567_: you cant eat a computer though can you? |
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| 18:39.17 | phogg | jelly: How did I get in the middle of this? |
| 18:39.19 | ferret_0567_ | jelly: it sounds like you need a Pentium 4 |
| 18:39.19 | ABLomas | what i'm missing: before upgrade to lenny (potato, woody, etch, etc) i used LC_ALL=lt_LC.UTF-8, and LANG variable set to "C". This way all apps had english as their "talk" language |
| 18:39.23 | OldMonk | you can if you fry the chips first |
| 18:39.29 | hologram | :) |
| 18:39.29 | asmarin | what is the next testing version? before was lenny |
| 18:39.30 | phogg | soups > sandwiches |
| 18:39.31 | ABLomas | now on lenny LANG variable is ignored |
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| 18:39.44 | ABLomas | i regenerated locales |
| 18:39.44 | nightglider28 | I could put a slice of bread between my external drives and have toast, I bet. :P |
| 18:39.45 | hologram | phogg: do you want a WAR? because thats where this is headed |
| 18:40.03 | jelly | phogg: I guess someone cast Confusion, spell radius one irc channel |
| 18:40.06 | phogg | hologram: bring it on. Hot soup will scald you, what's your sandwich gonna do? |
| 18:40.07 | enouf | ABLomas: no more /etc/default/locale .. or something |
| 18:40.07 | ABLomas | still, aptitude and other programs talk in my language, not english ;-) |
| 18:40.12 | hologram | phogg: LIES! |
| 18:40.17 | enouf | !locales |
| 18:40.17 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (Etch, Lenny) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 18:40.27 | ABLomas | i regenerated! |
| 18:40.32 | enouf | er /etc/environemtn i mean |
| 18:40.37 | phogg | so what is environment used for any more? |
| 18:40.40 | ABLomas | and set all those variables in my ~/.bash_profile |
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| 18:40.58 | enouf | i don't know phogg |
| 18:41.01 | jelly | phogg: for.. global environment variables? |
| 18:41.24 | jelly | unsets phogg's ORACLE_HOME |
| 18:41.27 | enouf | jelly: but fresh lenny installs populate it? |
| 18:41.28 | ABLomas | problem is not missing variable, etc |
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| 18:41.32 | jelly | enouf: no. |
| 18:41.36 | enouf | jelly: right |
| 18:41.37 | phogg | jelly: pfft, everyone knows globals are bad |
| 18:41.40 | enouf | so .. nothing |
| 18:41.40 | ABLomas | problem is that my LANG variable is ignored ;-) |
| 18:41.49 | ABLomas | i can set LANG to anything i want |
| 18:41.51 | phogg | jelly: and anyway, I meant officially. All I ever had in there was locale stuff. |
| 18:41.58 | ABLomas | and programs still talking NOT in english |
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| 18:42.09 | enouf | so use $LANGUAGE |
| 18:42.16 | ABLomas | hm ? |
| 18:42.20 | enouf | yes |
| 18:42.27 | ABLomas | never heard about |
| 18:42.34 | ABLomas | only about LANG |
| 18:42.36 | enouf | LANGUAGE=Whatever |
| 18:42.37 | ABLomas | i go check |
| 18:42.37 | jelly | ABLomas: does your destination locale exist in /etc/locale.gen? "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
| 18:42.44 | ABLomas | ofc it exists |
| 18:42.53 | jelly | had to ask |
| 18:43.03 | ABLomas | and it is set, it's ok! ;-) |
| 18:43.15 | jelly | and... where's the problem? |
| 18:44.10 | enouf | LANGUAGE="en_US:en_GB:en" |
| 18:44.14 | ABLomas | new variable - LANGUAGE |
| 18:44.19 | ABLomas | i allways used LANG |
| 18:44.20 | enouf | for whatever reason |
| 18:44.22 | ABLomas | not LANGUAGE |
| 18:44.26 | ABLomas | and it works |
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| 18:44.30 | enouf | :-) |
| 18:44.43 | ABLomas | hrrrrrr |
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| 18:44.54 | ABLomas | can't find in docs or release notes yet |
| 18:44.59 | enouf | newbee :-P |
| 18:45.00 | ABLomas | anything about |
| 18:45.00 | jelly | ABLomas: "man 7 locale". I'd probably be better to use LC_MESSAGES and LANG, not LANG and LC_ALL |
| 18:45.02 | ABLomas | but still |
| 18:45.10 | jelly | it'd* |
| 18:45.21 | ABLomas | jelly: the problem is that LANG does not works, but LANGUAGE works |
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| 18:45.33 | ABLomas | and i never heard about LANGUAGE, but allways used LANG |
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| 18:45.47 | enouf | ~$ locale | xargs |
| 18:45.48 | enouf | LANG=en_US LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en LC_CTYPE=en_US |
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| 18:45.52 | ABLomas | i go read about differences |
| 18:45.56 | jelly | ABLomas: LANGUAGE is likely a GNU thing. I'm not familiar with it either |
| 18:46.01 | ABLomas | but still |
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| 18:46.08 | enouf | !gnusmite someone |
| 18:46.31 | enouf | it's a ubuntu thing! |
| 18:46.33 | enouf | :-P |
| 18:46.37 | ABLomas | many older manuals mention only LANG, etc. I thing this should be added to rel notes, that LANG does not works anymore |
| 18:46.50 | jelly | ABLomas: it _should_ work. |
| 18:47.03 | ABLomas | it does not |
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| 18:47.06 | enouf | ABLomas: please file appropriate bug reports ;-) |
| 18:47.07 | ABLomas | sec |
| 18:47.09 | enouf | thanks |
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| 18:47.59 | jelly | ABLomas: if it doesn't, it's a bug or you're-doing-it-wrong |
| 18:47.59 | asmarin | what is the name of the actual testing debian version? |
| 18:47.59 | asmarin | or putting testing instead lenny do it directly? |
| 18:47.59 | enouf | squeeze me, tease me .. before i have to go |
| 18:47.59 | jelly | ABLomas: pastebin "env|egrep 'LC_|LANG'; locale" |
| 18:48.10 | ABLomas | http://p.defau.lt/?zMywTeDDs7vKDN89HXPPJA |
| 18:48.12 | jelly | alturiak: also pastebin grep -v ^# /etc/locale.gen |
| 18:48.19 | ABLomas | all i changed - is language |
| 18:48.23 | alturiak | psshh :) |
| 18:48.23 | ABLomas | and LANG is set to the same |
| 18:48.42 | jelly | ABLomas: however that's not what I asked for |
| 18:48.48 | enouf | squeeze me, tease me .. and no one needs to know |
| 18:48.50 | Warptwist | I'm having some issues connecting a second nic to my debian box, both nics shows up in lspci, but i can't configure eth1 as debian tells me "no such device" |
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| 18:49.04 | ABLomas | sec |
| 18:49.13 | OldMonk | Warptwist: is the driver for the second nic loaded? |
| 18:49.27 | enouf | oh wait .. valentines day is over .. sorry |
| 18:49.47 | asmarin | squezzy is stable or can destroy my install? |
| 18:50.00 | Warptwist | i don't know. how do I check it? (sorry for noobie questions ;) Haven't been playing around with debian forl ong...) |
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| 18:50.13 | ABLomas | locales thing: http://p.defau.lt/?2_tJchZQ_Obkspe4oOdNvQ |
| 18:50.14 | enouf | asmarin: put "squeegie man" |
| 18:50.22 | asmarin | squeegie man |
| 18:50.28 | asmarin | is a irc bot? |
| 18:50.29 | jelly | asmarin: lenny is stable. squeeze is "testing". |
| 18:50.34 | asmarin | vale vale |
| 18:50.36 | asmarin | ok ok |
| 18:50.39 | enouf | falls out of bed |
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| 18:51.16 | jelly | ABLomas: AFAICT, it works as intended... LC_ALL overrides everything |
| 18:51.23 | ABLomas | ;-) |
| 18:51.24 | ABLomas | no |
| 18:51.31 | ABLomas | LC_ALL sets everything |
| 18:51.37 | ABLomas | and then u can set every variable |
| 18:51.41 | ABLomas | indvidually |
| 18:51.44 | ABLomas | independent |
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| 18:51.56 | ABLomas | at least, it works on woody/sid/etch/ |
| 18:51.56 | jelly | ABLomas: ok, and if you set LC_MESSAGES=C, for example? |
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| 18:52.08 | ABLomas | wait a sec |
| 18:52.09 | ABLomas | ;-) |
| 18:52.16 | jelly | ABLomas: LANG sets everything. LC_ALL overrides. |
| 18:52.27 | ABLomas | hm, AFAIK no |
| 18:52.38 | jelly | ABLomas: basically, don't use LC_ALL. |
| 18:52.48 | ABLomas | but i can make env diff and messages on lenny/etch and show what's changed :P |
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| 18:52.58 | ABLomas | well, ok |
| 18:53.07 | ABLomas | i just can't understand why |
| 18:53.07 | enouf | ABLomas: leave LC_ALL= unset |
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| 18:53.10 | ABLomas | LCV_ALL sets all |
| 18:53.16 | ABLomas | and then i set LANG to language |
| 18:53.18 | jelly | ABLomas: LC_ALL overrides LANG. |
| 18:53.23 | ABLomas | LANG sets only interface language |
| 18:53.26 | jelly | ABLomas: NO |
| 18:53.28 | enouf | omg |
| 18:53.33 | ABLomas | no, it does not |
| 18:53.34 | jelly | ABLomas: LC_MESSAGES sets the messages. |
| 18:53.50 | enouf | jelly: it acts funny - be forewarned |
| 18:53.54 | ABLomas | well, at least, it worked on every linux distro i had |
| 18:53.56 | enouf | i can attest to that |
| 18:54.00 | jelly | ABLomas: LANG is what you normally use. You override it with LC_stuff |
| 18:54.12 | ABLomas | ... |
| 18:54.18 | ABLomas | ok, i made example |
| 18:54.19 | ABLomas | sec |
| 18:54.33 | jelly | ABLomas: LC_ALL overrides LANG for everything. |
| 18:54.34 | enouf | ABLomas: take your time - test configs, come bacl |
| 18:54.37 | enouf | back* |
| 18:54.48 | beardy | LC_CTYPE is the only one I usually want. |
| 18:54.59 | enouf | LC_ALL=C == ANSI only , IINM |
| 18:55.02 | jelly | ABLomas: locale(1) shows you the results, and they look pretty much as expected |
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| 18:55.50 | enouf | thinks someone actually listened this time ;-) |
| 18:55.58 | enouf | how respectful ;-) |
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| 18:56.10 | beardy | Just an illusion. |
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| 18:56.28 | ABLomas | thanks, but this anyway, does not explain difference between etch and lenny, just a sec, i made example |
| 18:56.30 | enouf | beardy: and so is my beard ? |
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| 18:56.49 | enouf | ABLomas: easy - we'll wait |
| 18:56.49 | jelly | ABLomas: so, if you wanted everything in lt_LT, but English messages, you'd use (for UTF-8) LANG=lt_LT.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 18:56.57 | beardy | enouf: It may very well be. I haven't seen any enoufpics. |
| 18:57.14 | enouf | beardy: i only shoot pr0n :-P |
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| 18:57.46 | beardy | enouf: And you aren't bearded there.. alright. |
| 18:58.04 | jelly | ABLomas: I have a global LANG=hr_HR.UTF-8, and my own LC_MESSAGES=C, and am happy |
| 18:58.12 | enouf | beardy: i am, i shave my partners ... shhhh |
| 18:58.15 | ABLomas | hm |
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| 18:58.56 | ABLomas | it's ok, but there's only one really old system, and only one app in my language - midnight commander ;=-) |
| 18:59.03 | enouf | jelly: what needs to be restarted/reloaded for setting changes to take affect? |
| 18:59.06 | ABLomas | need to copypaste somehow |
| 18:59.17 | enouf | !paste |
| 18:59.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:59.19 | ABLomas | will check differences |
| 18:59.21 | OldMonk | read ``copulate'' |
| 18:59.23 | giles_ | elo all |
| 18:59.39 | jelly | enouf: env.vars are inherited across the process tree. |
| 18:59.48 | giles_ | anyone got a link for some pointers for downgrading a system that was half updated to lenny over the weekend? |
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| 18:59.57 | enouf | OldMonk: and copious amounts of it |
| 18:59.58 | giles_ | I've got some boxes downgraded |
| 19:00.09 | OldMonk | enouf: sounds like a plan |
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| 19:00.22 | beardy | What's up with that broken quotation? |
| 19:00.32 | beardy | It's "". |
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| 19:00.36 | enouf | OldMonk: feels better when put into action ;-) |
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| 19:01.01 | linkslice | I've got a file that starts with a - and I'm trying to remove it, rm "-filename" won't work rm \-filename doesn't either |
| 19:01.12 | enouf | beardy: it's the GNU, or {La}Tex way |
| 19:01.14 | ABLomas | jelly: yes, you're right... Ehh, problem is that apt-get, aptitude and other programs weren't translated, and i do not use mc, so never saw difference |
| 19:01.22 | ABLomas | thanks for help |
| 19:01.24 | jelly | ABLomas: it's possible that you've stumbled onto an app that didn't have a translation in etch or before, and misinterpreted the results |
| 19:01.25 | damjan | linkslice: rm -- -filename |
| 19:01.27 | ABLomas | LANGUAGE works |
| 19:01.28 | jelly | heh |
| 19:01.31 | enouf | the leading " is a `` for some ungodly reason |
| 19:01.41 | eagle1 | tryed '? |
| 19:01.43 | ABLomas | as you said |
| 19:02.03 | jelly | never said anything about LANGUAGE |
| 19:02.16 | linkslice | damjan, ah thanks |
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| 19:02.38 | enouf | jelly: but when is /etc/ file read was my question - i wasn't asking about export VAR= in a current shell |
| 19:02.58 | cirzgamanti | anybody here uses lirc? i'm missing /dev/lirc |
| 19:03.04 | enouf | said LANGUAGE= |
| 19:03.13 | ABLomas | well, then some1 said, thanks to him and to you :~ |
| 19:03.14 | jelly | enouf: pam_environment does that, I believe. So, login time. |
| 19:03.27 | jelly | enouf: or su time. Or gdm time. or... |
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| 19:03.54 | enouf | jelly: fair enough - so a logout/login other than say a sysctl -w or some other telinit thing |
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| 19:04.12 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, haven't used it in a long time, but If I recall correctly, the /dev/ stuff is created when the modules are loaded. are they loaded? |
| 19:04.20 | tourett_ | http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/3391499/ |
| 19:04.25 | jelly | enouf: or just login again and have that session with updated env. vars |
| 19:04.28 | enouf | or when one updates /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/hosts.* or something |
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| 19:05.15 | enouf | jelly: well, that doesn't work when you add your user to a new group say |
| 19:05.32 | enouf | but then there's newgrp or whatever |
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| 19:06.06 | OldMonk | isn't newgrp superceded for the most part? |
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| 19:06.20 | OldMonk | now you have all subsidiary groups available |
| 19:06.32 | jelly | enouf: what do you mean? If you log in again the user gets a new group. |
| 19:06.33 | enouf | ffs .. another person that places a c correctly ;-) |
| 19:06.40 | jelly | enouf: in that session. |
| 19:06.45 | Fah | isn't newgrp still needed to chose which of your groups is the default for the creation of new files? |
| 19:06.56 | enouf | jelly: not if they didn't logout in other ones |
| 19:07.03 | jelly | enouf: try it. |
| 19:07.03 | OldMonk | Fah: yes, it is |
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| 19:07.07 | enouf | jelly: you |
| 19:07.20 | enouf | jelly: oh , i have .. trust me |
| 19:07.30 | cirzgamanti | jintxo: don't think so, i'm working on it. thx for the hint. |
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| 19:07.39 | enouf | jelly: you've been using windows or slowaris too long |
| 19:08.17 | jelly | shrugs |
| 19:08.18 | enouf | jelly: a 'group' isn't an ENV=VARIABLE |
| 19:08.20 | Fah | ok, so then what's it superceded by? |
| 19:08.35 | Fah | i'm probably misunderstanding what you're saying |
| 19:08.36 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, alright. modprobe -l to see the list of modules you have (for example: "modprobe -l | grep lirc" to see modules that contain lirc in their name) |
| 19:08.51 | Fah | not trying to be obtuse, i only caught the one comment |
| 19:08.59 | enouf | jelly: it takes the typical PAM login /shadow stuffs into consideration |
| 19:09.01 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, and lsmod to see which ones are loaded |
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| 19:09.21 | enouf | ..anyway |
| 19:10.55 | enouf | ABLomas: what's the good word mi amigo? |
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| 19:11.09 | ABLomas | hm ? |
| 19:11.15 | enouf | .. |
| 19:11.18 | Glencore | Do ubuntu packages work with debian? |
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| 19:11.31 | ABLomas | sorry didn't understood what u asked |
| 19:11.46 | hoxu | Glencore, no |
| 19:11.47 | enouf | ABLomas: any results of your tests? |
| 19:12.08 | enouf | Glencore: why bother? /msg dpkg dstats lenny |
| 19:12.22 | enouf | !u |
| 19:12.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 19:12.30 | ABLomas | (21:01:14)< ABLomas> jelly: yes, you're right... Ehh, problem is that apt-get, aptitude and other programs weren't translated, and i do not use mc, so never saw difference |
| 19:12.31 | jelly | enouf: works as I expected it to: http://paste.debian.net/28498/ |
| 19:12.44 | jelly | enouf: perhaps it was a misunderstanding |
| 19:12.46 | Glencore | enouf, as a general user should i stick with ubuntu? |
| 19:12.47 | cirzgamanti | jintxo: the problem seems to be that the modules need to be compiled in debian 4 (and also 5 it seems). i can't get linux-headers-2.6.24-1-amd64, which seems to be needed. |
| 19:13.08 | Vasistha | Glencore: are you using ubuntu now? |
| 19:13.16 | jelly | enouf: new session gets new group; old session doesn't |
| 19:13.17 | Glencore | no |
| 19:13.26 | Glencore | new comp vista atm |
| 19:13.28 | jelly | ABLomas: I've seen that, thanks |
| 19:13.41 | abrotman | Glencore: you realize this is #debian right ? |
| 19:13.48 | ABLomas | it's for enouf |
| 19:13.50 | ABLomas | he asked |
| 19:13.51 | Vasistha | Glencore: oh, you are wondering if you should install ubuntu or debian? Maybe you are thinking of trying a dual boot? |
| 19:13.58 | Zambezi | I need to add myself in a group, but I don't know the name of the group. How can I list all the group? I need to have access for me scanner without using root. |
| 19:14.06 | jelly | ABLomas: clearly I need to get off the computer! |
| 19:14.13 | Vasistha | Zambezi: well you could just browse the /etc/group file |
| 19:14.22 | enouf | jelly: did jelly completely logout or not though? maybe i'm misunderstanding |
| 19:14.34 | jelly | enouf: I do not logout. |
| 19:14.36 | cirzgamanti | jintxo: ok, seems that only 2.6.26-1-amd64 is available. is it easy to upgrade my current kernel too? i guess otherwise the module won't run. |
| 19:14.39 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, I wonder if module assistant can do it? try with m-a auto-install lirc (if you have m-a installed) |
| 19:14.47 | Glencore | Vasistha, I used ubuntu before but would prefer a distro that would force me to learn more about gnu/linux |
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| 19:14.47 | Vasistha | Zambezi: I have a 'scanner' group |
| 19:14.53 | jelly | enouf: no need to |
| 19:14.57 | Glencore | abrotman, yeah :) |
| 19:15.20 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, module-assistant was designed for this kind of stuff (auto-compiling and installing modules additional to the "base" kernel modules) |
| 19:15.26 | enouf | jelly: so .. groups and 'id' command might list your user as in newgroup - but do you have true group privs? |
| 19:15.27 | cirzgamanti | m-a always complains about not having the right kernel headers. i guess i need to get 2.6.26 |
| 19:15.33 | jelly | enouf: ... |
| 19:15.39 | enouf | jelly: see my point? |
| 19:15.40 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, probably a good idea if that's the case |
| 19:15.46 | enouf | jelly: seriously |
| 19:15.49 | Vasistha | Glencore: Go for it, then, install debian! |
| 19:15.59 | jelly | enouf: those _are_ the privs. |
| 19:16.08 | enouf | jelly: i've done what you've done with newgrp |
| 19:16.17 | enouf | things do NOT work as expected |
| 19:16.22 | Vasistha | Glencore: but as stated before, ubuntu and debian packages, while using the same package format, are not compatible |
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| 19:16.41 | Zambezi | Vasistha: scanner:x:110:saned - means I run: adduser zambezi scanner? |
| 19:16.42 | enouf | cause you're in essence, within a subshell env ... IIRC |
| 19:16.45 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, upgrading the kernel is probably much easier than you think, if it's a debian kernel, of course. just install it and reboot and donde (uninstall the old one when you get sick of it being around) |
| 19:16.47 | jelly | enouf: maybe you don't understand what newgrp does |
| 19:16.50 | Glencore | Vasistha, is the package support vast? |
| 19:16.58 | Vasistha | Zambezi: not quite, gimme a sec to get the right syntax |
| 19:17.00 | enouf | jelly: look at top/htop /tree output |
| 19:17.02 | Glencore | Vasistha, difference i mean |
| 19:17.23 | enouf | pstree even |
| 19:17.23 | Vasistha | Zambezi: usermod -aG scanner zambezi |
| 19:17.33 | cirzgamanti | jintxo: would that be linux-image-xxx ? |
| 19:17.48 | Zambezi | Vasistha: I did fresh install without DE. Just Ratpoison so now it's not as easy. I'll try your command. |
| 19:17.51 | Vasistha | Glencore: well I can tell you that debian has a whole lot of packages, I think there are quite a few more than ubuntu. |
| 19:17.52 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, ya |
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| 19:18.22 | Vasistha | Zambezi: it wouldn't hurt you to 'man usermod' just to see what that's doing ;) |
| 19:18.23 | jelly | enouf: going afk |
| 19:18.34 | cirzgamanti | any idea why lirc modules are not compiled in debian? |
| 19:18.36 | enouf | jelly: with newgrp .. AFAIU, you cannot join already running processes that are owned under grpname - so to speak |
| 19:18.38 | enouf | ok |
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| 19:18.55 | Vasistha | Glencore: afaik debian is the "biggest" distro, meaning it has more packages than any other. |
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| 19:19.18 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 19:19.18 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
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| 19:19.36 | jintxo | lol |
| 19:19.36 | jelly | !penixstrike Guerin |
| 19:19.36 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Guerin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:19.47 | Guerin | was true in 1998, still true now |
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| 19:20.06 | jelly | stealz Guerin's hamm |
| 19:20.20 | magyar | hi, what is /etc/init.d/networking do? |
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| 19:20.40 | Fah | stops/starts networking? |
| 19:20.49 | Glencore | Vasistha, thanks :) |
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| 19:21.04 | Hentai | what command to run x config? |
| 19:21.09 | Guerin | peeps jelly's bo |
| 19:21.14 | abrotman | magyar: remember the other day when you were complaining about me treating you like a noob ? |
| 19:21.24 | Guerin | heh |
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| 19:21.32 | asg | Guerin: hamm and potato, tasty |
| 19:21.39 | valdyn | magyar: are you going to ask this for every file you dont know the purpose of? |
| 19:21.41 | cristoper | It's hard for me to believe Debian has more packages than Ubuntu. Doesn't Ubuntu basically have all of sid + a ton in the 'universe' repo? |
| 19:21.42 | Vasistha | magyar: it parses the /etc/network/interfaces file and reconfigures network devices based on those found in that file |
| 19:21.51 | Guerin | asg: coming in 2012: debian hash! |
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| 19:22.01 | valdyn | cristoper: universe is unsupported |
| 19:22.01 | Guerin | cristoper: they don't support it. We do. |
| 19:22.02 | asg | "I want the reds man" -- Chong |
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| 19:22.28 | Fah | yes, its true. Ubuntu has all of ubuntu plus some of debian |
| 19:22.44 | cristoper | That's true... |
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| 19:23.52 | Vasistha | cristoper: you can find debian archives on sun's virtualbox, the opera browser, wicd, and a host of other places. Just because there is an archive with packages that MAY be compatible does not make those packages part of the distro -- and that's what the "universe" is, it's unsopported unofficial packages, not from ubuntu, that may or may not work |
| 19:23.52 | cristoper | but the point is that Ubuntu users have at least as many packages available to them as Debian users |
| 19:24.11 | abrotman | *knows* there is a better place to discuss ubuntu |
| 19:24.15 | MoDaX | cristoper: sid that is typically out of sync by 3-4 months and tons of other questionable quality packages |
| 19:24.20 | zirimola | I dont have any data in hard-disk with this command debian:/etc/network# dump 0auf /dev/sdc1 /dev/sda1 |
| 19:24.20 | zirimola | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.26 | valdyn | cristoper: in that sense its the same amount of packages |
| 19:24.32 | zirimola | OUTPUT DUMP: Average transfer rate: 9934 kB/s |
| 19:24.32 | zirimola | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:24.58 | MoDaX | cristoper: debian goes for quality (even sid/testing), not quantity |
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| 19:25.34 | magyar | abrotman: the reason I ask, is when I call "networking" restart it sould restart the networking stack. In my case it destroys all connections except for "lo" |
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| 19:25.45 | valdyn | magyar: you arent supposed to run that command |
| 19:25.47 | magyar | so i figured I'll ask just in case I dont do something right |
| 19:25.55 | cristoper | MoDaX: yes, good points. But earlier someone made the claim that Debian has more packages than Ubuntu... |
| 19:26.00 | abrotman | and it sounds like something is wrong in your config anyways |
| 19:26.03 | giles_ | hrm |
| 19:26.07 | magyar | valdyn: so what do I run to reset networking? |
| 19:26.15 | Vasistha | magyar: why don't you pastebin your /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 19:26.16 | giles_ | i've found a strange way of downgrading my libc6 |
| 19:26.20 | giles_ | installing dellomsa |
| 19:26.26 | valdyn | magyar: what are you trying to accomplish with "resetting the networking" ? |
| 19:26.40 | MoDaX | cristoper: definitely, ubuntu main has waaaay less packages than debian main. and main is what ubuntu actually "support" |
| 19:26.45 | magyar | valdyn: if I make changes to the interfaces |
| 19:26.56 | valdyn | magyar: in the interfaces file? |
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| 19:27.20 | zirimola | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.23 | giles_ | can anyone think of a smaller package that depends on libc6? |
| 19:27.36 | valdyn | magyar: making changes to interfaces is not equivalant to editing the file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:27.37 | abrotman | giles_: apt-cache rdepends libc6 |
| 19:27.40 | valdyn | magyar: so be precise please |
| 19:27.40 | zirimola | debian:/etc/network# dump 0auf /dev/sdc1 /dev/sda1 DUMP IS DONE but is empty my disk |
| 19:27.55 | MoDaX | giles_: cdebconf |
| 19:28.02 | cristoper | MoDaX: Ah okay, in that sense. But I bet most (as in almost all) Ubuntu users use additional repositories, like Universe, so they don't notice (except for possibly some quality issues like you said...) |
| 19:28.11 | magyar | valdyn: making changes to the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:28.27 | MoDaX | cristoper: oh and they all use backports |
| 19:28.28 | MoDaX | :) |
| 19:28.47 | Vasistha | cristoper: lots of debian users use debian-multimedia.org |
| 19:28.49 | Hentai | wheres the x configuration stored at normally? |
| 19:28.51 | zirimola | debian:/etc/network# dump 0auf /dev/sdc1 /dev/sda1 DUMP IS DONE but is empty my disk |
| 19:28.56 | valdyn | magyar: then you do ifdown <iface> before you make a change and ifup <iface> after you make a change to a specific interface |
| 19:29.08 | MoDaX | ubuntu model looks such a mess for me |
| 19:29.16 | magyar | Vasistha: I think there is a problem with my "/etc/networks" file as it seems to be left the same from "sarge" |
| 19:29.33 | cristoper | Vasistha: including me :) |
| 19:29.42 | Guerin | Hentai: depends on your x version. > 7.3 has none |
| 19:29.43 | valdyn | magyar: and if you want to see how network interfaces would be setup right after a reboot, then you can do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 19:30.01 | Hentai | Guerin, this would be debain 5.0 |
| 19:30.04 | magyar | valdyn: I know that part, but what if I have four interfaces and I had to make changes, do each iface.... hmm? |
| 19:30.09 | Hentai | Guerin, also sparc6 version |
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| 19:30.11 | Vasistha | magyar don't worry about /etc/networks; /etc/network should be a directory, could you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 19:30.29 | magyar | Vasistha: sure, one sec |
| 19:30.31 | valdyn | magyar: ifdown -a; ifup -a |
| 19:30.33 | Hentai | Guerin, well then anyway I can go about editing what gfx card drivers load? |
| 19:30.53 | jackweb | Hello. Is there a possiblity to view what packages were installed lately? [aptitude] |
| 19:31.00 | Wyzard | jackweb: /var/log/aptitude |
| 19:31.05 | jackweb | Ok, thanks. |
| 19:31.14 | valdyn | magyar: -a : If given to ifup, affect all interfaces marked auto. |
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| 19:31.21 | cirzgamanti | jintxo: that means that every time i upgrade the kernel, i have to think of re-compiling the lirc module, right? |
| 19:31.36 | Vasistha | wtf, why does icedove only offer to import mail from communicator 4.x? I've been reading on the web that it can import from eudora ... any ideas? |
| 19:31.38 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, yes, and that's the reason module-assistant exists |
| 19:31.53 | jintxo | or at least one of them, I guess |
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| 19:32.10 | jackweb | Nice information... |
| 19:32.19 | magyar | Vasistha: http://pastebin.ca/1339227 |
| 19:32.28 | valdyn | Vasistha: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Importing_from_Eudora_(Thunderbird) |
| 19:32.55 | deadcat_ | dist-upgrading my server... |
| 19:32.57 | cirzgamanti | i compiled the module now, an did modprobe lirc_atiusb. still no /dev/lirc :( but thanx so far. |
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| 19:33.19 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, does dmesg say that the module detected your hardware? |
| 19:33.19 | zirimola | debian:/etc/network# dump 0auf /dev/sdc1 /dev/sda1 DUMP IS DONE but is empty my disk |
| 19:33.39 | valdyn | magyar: so which of your interfaces are set to "auto" ? |
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| 19:33.43 | magyar | valdyn: "allow-hotplug" and "auto" |
| 19:33.50 | magyar | can i have both? |
| 19:34.07 | valdyn | magyar: its entirely different things |
| 19:34.08 | Vasistha | valdyn: yeah, there we go ... I am expecting that when I do Tools > Import... > Mail > that I should then have an option to import from Eudora, but it only offers Communicator 4.x, which I imagine is incompatible. Same situation on first run. |
| 19:34.09 | magyar | valdyn: well on reboot it seems to bring the ifaces up |
| 19:34.15 | jackweb | Was there any party here in occassion releasing Debian 5.0? :D |
| 19:34.19 | abrotman | zirimola: i'd guess you dumped a partition .. not a filesystem ? |
| 19:34.27 | cirzgamanti | jintxo: yes, it talks about lirc_dev: ir remote control driver registered; usbcore: registered new interface driver lirc_atiusb |
| 19:34.27 | valdyn | magyar: ok, i see |
| 19:34.38 | magyar | eheheh, not a noob |
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| 19:34.42 | valdyn | magyar: thats is because technically a reboot is a hotplug for each device |
| 19:34.52 | magyar | bahh |
| 19:35.16 | valdyn | magyar: you dont really need or want allow-hotplug i think |
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| 19:35.25 | valdyn | magyar: though it doesnt hurt |
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| 19:36.13 | magyar | nice option valdyn, one can see in the logs more info, but than again, maybe auto does the same thing |
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| 19:36.41 | Vasistha | does allow-hotplug automatically reconfigure the interface if the cable gets unplugged / plugged? |
| 19:36.43 | valdyn | magyar: auto makes /etc/init.d/networking start or ifup -a bring the interfaces up |
| 19:36.59 | valdyn | magyar: allow-hotplug makes hotplug events bring the interfaces up |
| 19:37.03 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, hm, around the time I was using lirc they were changing the /dev location of the devices ... somewhere in /dev/input/ but I can't remember enough to be of help, sorry |
| 19:37.10 | valdyn | magyar: you can trigger both on command line |
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| 19:37.15 | Vasistha | ah, thanks |
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| 19:37.47 | cirzgamanti | jintxo: many thanks so far :) |
| 19:37.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | as lenny is released, when will unstable come out of freeze and the updates like Gnome 2.24 and the latest kernel will come up? |
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| 19:38.12 | cirzgamanti | and kde4 :) |
| 19:38.24 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, see if new stuff appears in /dev/input when you load/unload the module and with that and bit of google magic, you might be almost there |
| 19:38.31 | valdyn | Vasistha: this has nothing to do with cabling |
| 19:38.50 | Vasistha | thanks |
| 19:38.59 | magyar | valdyn: not too sure, but I think the default is "allow-hotplug" but than again it could be for "dhcp" not for static |
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| 19:39.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes kde 4 too |
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| 19:39.09 | Vasistha | oh yeah, that's right, I used to use iflpugd |
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| 19:39.14 | Vasistha | * ifplugd |
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| 19:39.21 | valdyn | magyar: thats ok, i told you allow-hotplug doesnt hurt |
| 19:39.48 | magyar | valdyn: except it wont work with ifup -a |
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| 19:40.03 | valdyn | magyar: it doesnt break ifup -a |
| 19:40.05 | sunkan | Upgrade went fine, but HP system homepage seems to be a bit broken |
| 19:40.11 | valdyn | magyar: its just not "auto", obviously |
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| 19:40.32 | chrisw_ | hi all, got an lenny upgrade that's gone badly wrong... the network connection died while I was doing the ugrade, now the machine complains that it can't mount /dev/hdc1 when I try to start it up... |
| 19:40.37 | chrisw_ | who should I do next? |
| 19:40.38 | cirzgamanti | jiv |
| 19:40.50 | magyar | valdyn: so the skinny is, for "/etc/init.d/networking" to work "auto" must be set |
| 19:41.01 | valdyn | chrisw_: why did you reboot if the network connection died? |
| 19:41.03 | chrisw_ | who -> what |
| 19:41.03 | ajehals | I have a wierd issue with df (stable on sparc) where it is reporting negative disk usage... Anyone else seen anything like this? |
| 19:41.05 | cirzgamanti | jintxo: i tried that, there's no device that pops up in /dev/input. i'll check further. |
| 19:41.20 | chrisw_ | valdyn: the machine appeared to have rebooted itself |
| 19:41.23 | valdyn | magyar: no, for ... to bring the interface up automatically, auto must be set |
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| 19:41.37 | honschu | chrisw_: is your root on /dev/hdc1? |
| 19:41.37 | chrisw_ | anyway, it is where it is, I'm looking for ideas on how to recover it :_S |
| 19:41.40 | SuperNick | hi |
| 19:41.51 | valdyn | chrisw_: hdc1 could be sd[abc]1 now |
| 19:41.52 | SuperNick | which debian iso should i choose for intel core 2 duo ? |
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| 19:41.52 | chrisw_ | honschu: I would guess, how would I check? |
| 19:42.04 | euxneks | is there an apt command to find out what package provides a certain command? |
| 19:42.14 | valdyn | !tell euxneks -about search |
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| 19:42.36 | chrisw_ | euxneks: I just use http://packages.debian.org and search there ;-) |
| 19:42.39 | ajehals | euxneks apt-file might be appropriate too. |
| 19:42.43 | honschu | chrisw_: Just boot with another system and fix it |
| 19:42.44 | kingsley | After installing the "manpages-ko" package, what else needs to be done to actually see man pages in the Korean language? |
| 19:42.45 | stew | SuperNick: either an amd64 or i386 depending if you want to run in 64 or 32 bits |
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| 19:42.52 | chrisw_ | honschu: easier said that done... |
| 19:42.57 | honschu | chrisw_: RescueCD, LiveSystem... |
| 19:43.11 | euxneks | thanks all :) |
| 19:43.17 | chrisw_ | how do I burn a RescueCD? |
| 19:43.24 | magyar | valdyn: but the /etc/init.d/networking calles "if ifup -a; then" |
| 19:43.41 | honschu | chrisw_: You can just use the installerCD and mount the root filesystem |
| 19:43.49 | anything | hello, I have installed samba, my users from windows access the files based on their system passwords, now can I let this authentication based on ldap smbNT passowrd ? do I need to modify PAM ? |
| 19:43.59 | chrisw_ | honschu: well, okay, btu mounting the root filesystem is the problem |
| 19:44.10 | valdyn | magyar: yes,so? |
| 19:44.22 | magyar | anything: look into winbind |
| 19:44.25 | chrisw_ | from an initramfs prompt, how would I expect to mount the root filesystem? |
| 19:44.32 | euxneks | congrats all on Lenny btw |
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| 19:44.54 | anything | magyar thank you |
| 19:44.59 | valdyn | chrisw_: you dont really need to mount it if you can just find it |
| 19:45.01 | honschu | chrisw_: I don't know about your partition table. but maybe you can give it at the bootloader promt with "root=/dev/hda1" or so |
| 19:45.18 | magyar | valdyn: therefore, "interfaces" file must be "auto" for that script to work |
| 19:45.22 | ajehals | Just to clarify my issue - output from df is here -> http://debian.pastebin.com/m2f3cb01c |
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| 19:45.23 | magyar | anything: np |
| 19:45.24 | valdyn | magyar: no |
| 19:45.34 | chrisw_ | well, in /dev, there doesn't appear to be any sdxx or hdxx :_S |
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| 19:45.54 | valdyn | magyar: i already told you, auto is so the interface is brought up automatically be /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 19:46.04 | honschu | chrisw_: sure, it's managed by udev. just look with fdisk -l |
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| 19:46.21 | magyar | valdyn: so why in my case it does not work, if I run the "networking" script I only get lo and all the other interfaces get "destroy" |
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| 19:46.32 | valdyn | magyar: because you arent able to be precise |
| 19:46.36 | stef_ | hello. did anyone manage to install Zimbra on Debian Lenny? |
| 19:46.43 | chrisw_ | hmm, fdisk not found :-S |
| 19:46.51 | honschu | chrisw_: it's in /sbin |
| 19:46.53 | valdyn | magyar: no auto = interface not brought up, thast intended and works as intended |
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| 19:47.09 | magyar | more confused than before the command :/join ##debian |
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| 19:47.25 | chrisw_ | honschu: no it's not |
| 19:47.56 | chrisw_ | there's only about 6 things in /sbin, and fdisk isn't one of them... |
| 19:47.59 | honschu | chrisw_: What system do you booted up? |
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| 19:48.24 | chrisw_ | not sure what you mean... |
| 19:48.41 | chrisw_ | it's debian, probably somewhere between etch and lenny |
| 19:48.56 | honschu | chrisw_: and you have a shell (bash or so) running on that system? |
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| 19:49.29 | chrisw_ | yeah, it's the emergency shell thing you get when the boot up can't mount the root partition... |
| 19:49.33 | ABLomas | stef_: what's the problem with zimbra? ;-) |
| 19:49.34 | valdyn | magyar: read the section about -a in "man ifup" |
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| 19:49.56 | chrisw_ | wonders if magyar is hungarian? |
| 19:50.14 | anything | magyar, this goes so far ... I don't have active directory, it's good solution for AD if it's already installed, in my case, I only have file server shares files and users access it without domain controller |
| 19:50.37 | honschu | chrisw_: then just poke around with "mount /dev/hda1 /" or "mount /dev/sda1 /" and so on |
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| 19:50.41 | valdyn | chrisw_: why would you need fdisk? |
| 19:50.50 | valdyn | chrisw_: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 19:50.57 | Zambezi | Vasistha: Thanks! It hopefully did the trick. I'm going to reboot later tonight. I need move some hardware anyway. |
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| 19:51.30 | honschu | valdyn: thanks I didn't know that ;-) ... just used fdisk -l ;) |
| 19:51.37 | stef_ | ablomas: I had Zimbra 5.0.11 installed on debian etch then upgraded to lenny. Now I want to build Zimbra from source to install it on Lenny(no prebuilt package available). The problem is I don't know how to keep its conf files and data. |
| 19:52.05 | Vasistha | Zambezi: you don't need to reboot, but you might need to log out and log back into KDE or GNOME or whatever so that all of the gui processes have the new group membership |
| 19:52.17 | ABLomas | hm |
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| 19:52.28 | ABLomas | zimbra itself installs on /opt/zimbra by default |
| 19:52.36 | ABLomas | so simply take entire direcroty |
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| 19:52.48 | ABLomas | and copy |
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| 19:52.53 | Vasistha | Zambezi: alternately you can 'su zambezi' from a gui command line and then start your scanning program from that command line, it ought to then have the new group membership |
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| 19:53.04 | ABLomas | or you can take "conf" dir, if only configs needed |
| 19:53.16 | chrisw_ | I'll cat /proc/partitions... bear with me... |
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| 19:53.24 | ABLomas | actually, i do not understand what's the problem... take and install as allways |
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| 19:54.46 | stef_ | ablomas: ok, let me look. will come back with further info |
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| 19:55.45 | chrisw_ | urg, waiting for the root partition to tiem out |
| 19:55.53 | icebrain | Miss29f is spamming... |
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| 19:56.11 | chrisw_ | urm, /proc/partitions is empty :-S |
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| 19:56.24 | chrisw_ | why could that be? |
| 19:56.25 | icebrain | >> 19:55:02 Miss29f | http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 19:56.40 | stew | icebrain: thanks for the message. however please don't help him spam by repeating here :) |
| 19:57.02 | honschu | chrisw_: Do you typed "cat /proc/partitions" ? |
| 19:57.06 | icebrain | stew: of course, sorry, how stupid :P |
| 19:57.09 | chrisw_ | yes |
| 19:57.22 | honschu | chrisw_: and nothing there? |
| 19:57.28 | chrisw_ | gave me the headings, but no entries |
| 19:57.59 | chrisw_ | the disk is obviously working 'cos it loaded the kernel from it... |
| 19:58.00 | stef_ | ablomas: what directories/files should be preserved when upgrading zimbra? |
| 19:58.21 | ABLomas | install dir |
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| 19:58.29 | ABLomas | probably /opt/zimbra as default |
| 19:59.13 | ABLomas | i suggest you not to rebuild from source, etc, until u can't clearly know what u want, and express it here :P~ |
| 19:59.41 | stef_ | ablomas: I simply want a Zimbra version that runs on debian lenny. The current prebuilt one only runs on etch. |
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| 19:59.57 | mischief6 | anyone here want to provide their opinions on wajig vs using apt-* & aptitude? |
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| 20:00.28 | ABLomas | stef_: it should run on lenny without problems ;-) |
| 20:00.31 | beardy | Use aptitude. |
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| 20:00.38 | Cope57 | Opinions? um sure... what is wajig, and why is it used/ |
| 20:00.44 | Zambezi | Vasistha: You're right. I didn't know. Thanks alot! I also made a note about the command cause it's not that often I'll use it. But I need to move a memory to another slot too and configure the sound. |
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| 20:00.58 | mischief6 | wajig is a python frontend to the rest of the package management utilities |
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| 20:01.04 | boodi2 | Ok - my trial to upgrade went from etch to lenny went wrong it seems the lin box is still up (in etch) ... I had toi reboot |
| 20:01.19 | stef_ | ablomas: no it doesn't. it's prebuilt for perl 5.8 while lenny has perl 5.10 |
| 20:01.32 | honschu | chrisw_: what is your harddrive called, just look at "dmesg" hda? hdb? hdc? sda? |
| 20:01.34 | Cope57 | It is a front end to dpkg? |
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| 20:02.00 | Vasistha | Zambezi: yeah, I always have to look at the manpage when I use it. at least it's easy to remember "usermod" |
| 20:02.01 | mischief6 | its a front end to several utilities actually |
| 20:02.17 | mischief6 | Cope57, http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Wajig_Packages.html |
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| 20:03.49 | Cope57 | Why not just use the actual package manager instead of using a front end? but then again, it is linux, you are free to use what you want, how you want. Enjoy. |
| 20:04.20 | chrisw_ | honschu: can't see any hard drive looking things in dmesg, which might be part of the problem ;-0 |
| 20:04.33 | chrisw_ | however, again, the kernel is loaded off this disk, so I don't see how that can be... |
| 20:04.39 | kll | Cope57: because remembering which apt- utility you're supposed to use for something is not always that easy.. that's why you have wajig :) |
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| 20:04.47 | Zambezi | Vasistha: I'm going to learn basic scripting and make a "config-script" and put all settings there. |
| 20:05.12 | kelt | I got this usb drive... and apparently when I try to fdisk the thing... it won't let me and it gets magically re-mounted |
| 20:05.17 | boodi2 | I was in the middle of upgrading etch to lenny after 26 hours of running "aptitude upgrade" I rebooted; how can I now fix the eventual mess? |
| 20:05.22 | honschu | chrisw_: maybe it's that ramdisk kernel thing i never understand why someone should use it... |
| 20:05.25 | kll | mischief6: not really sure what kind of input you're looking for.. but I'm using wajig which I find to be the "right level" for me.. I like command line driven so I prefer wajig over aptitude |
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| 20:06.01 | kelt | fdisk says "Hey IDIOT you can't write a partition table because the device is busy" ... and exits fdisk and somehow the usbdrive has been mounted! |
| 20:06.04 | DexterF | hi |
| 20:06.18 | chrisw_ | honschu: no idea what you're talking about I'm afraid... but yes, this is an initramfs prompt, which happened because it couldn't mount the root file system :-S |
| 20:06.22 | honschu | chrisw_: I mean initramfs |
| 20:06.26 | DexterF | a lil over tired, so forgive me: ssh -X won't get me sound, right...? |
| 20:06.28 | kelt | is there a way to figure how why this usb drive keeps re-mounting itself? |
| 20:06.31 | Cope57 | I never heard of wajig, and I just checked, and I do not have it installed, so I do not have a use for it. Been using Debian since 2003, and I do not see any reason to be changing any way I am running my box. |
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| 20:06.49 | ajehals | Fair enough, I have df reporting negative values for a locally mounted ext3 partition - even after a remount / reformat... |
| 20:06.59 | mischief6 | kll, you can use aptitude in a command-line fashion. but that site claims that wajig is simpler for package management, just wondering if it is in popular use |
| 20:06.59 | Cope57 | But, thanks for the alternative... |
| 20:07.01 | Vasistha | kelt: it may be that you have a desktop daemon that is automounting |
| 20:07.04 | chrisw_ | honschu: okay, but still left wondering what to do next... |
| 20:07.12 | kelt | Vasistha: that is what I was thinking |
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| 20:07.21 | kelt | Vasistha: I'm running gnome |
| 20:07.53 | n0mad | whats wrong: openvt -c 3 su user -c "blahblah" and i get: "illegal vt number", (there is no getty on tty3) what im missing maybe ? |
| 20:07.59 | kll | mischief6: I was under the impression that aptitude is curses based? anyway, I don't know if wajig is simpler or more or less popular.. but it does work well for me :) |
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| 20:08.29 | Vasistha | kelt: well ... I know in kde it's at control center > kde components > services manager > KDED Media Manager. Probably something similar in gnome |
| 20:08.44 | mischief6 | kll, by running just 'aptitude' you get the curses interface, but you can use 'aptitude search <name>' for apt-cache search, 'aptitude install <name>' etc |
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| 20:10.40 | sameerynho | hi i have some question about debmirror... |
| 20:10.48 | selim | I try to get saslauthd running on lenny but every time I try to do "testsaslauthd -f /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/ -u <user> -p <pw>" I get this: connect() : Connection refused |
| 20:11.05 | Guerin | !connection refused |
| 20:11.06 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 20:11.18 | jintxo | selim, for testslasauthd you need to add "mux" to the end of your -f parameter. |
| 20:11.23 | kelt | Vasistha: yeah, I don't know how to turn automount off for gnome |
| 20:11.24 | sameerynho | does debmirror support pausing ? i mean can i stop downloading and resume that later? |
| 20:11.44 | kelt | Vasistha: but google does :) |
| 20:11.46 | selim | jintxo: I tried that too no effect |
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| 20:11.48 | honschu | chrisw_: I have no clue about initramfs, ... I would just use a rescue-linux-live-cd |
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| 20:12.06 | chrisw_ | how do i burn one of those? |
| 20:12.23 | jintxo | selim, and if you upgraded a working postfix+saslauthd from etch to lenny, I found that smtpd.conf shuld be moved from /usr/lib/sasl2/ to /etc/postfix/sasl/ (found out yesterday upgrading pre-production environment) |
| 20:12.25 | honschu | chrisw_: and install a normal flat kernel onto the harddisk |
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| 20:13.04 | honschu | chrisw_: Just use google |
| 20:13.07 | jintxo | selim, I understand saslauthd is running? |
| 20:13.14 | sameerynho | please help me |
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| 20:14.04 | selim | jintxo: yes |
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| 20:14.37 | selim | jintxo: hmm it's working now but still not talking to smtp/postfix |
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| 20:16.54 | jintxo | selim, for postfix I believe you need to have /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf (content, for example: pwcheck_method:saslauthd) |
| 20:17.00 | cirzgamanti | jintxo: looks like it won't create a /dev/lirc because udev is active. will anything break in a running system when i disable udev temporarily (like my usb devices disappear or something like that) ? |
| 20:17.41 | selim | jintxo: already there |
| 20:17.50 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, not so sure ... the "correct" thing to do would be to have udev create the devices for you automatically .. I have no idea what will happen if you disable udev |
| 20:19.10 | jintxo | selim, I have also found that I need to remove the modules I don't use form /usr/lib/sasl2/ (I only leave the *plain* ones in there because that's what I use). maybe saslauthd is trying to do NTLM authentication or someting and failing ... |
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| 20:19.51 | jintxo | selim, I move the libs I don't use from that dir to a "disabled" subdirectory. |
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| 20:20.51 | SuperNick | hi, wich debian should i take for 64bit core2duo ? |
| 20:21.10 | SuperNick | Intel IA-64 AM64 i386or what |
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| 20:21.17 | cristoper | amd64 |
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| 20:21.29 | magyar | anything_: quote "authentication based on ldap smbNT" is that what you were asking? |
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| 20:21.59 | magyar | anything_: ldap is kind of AD |
| 20:22.08 | cirzgamanti | jintxo: :( the lirc config says "if DEVICE is set to /dev/lirc and udev is in use /dev/lirc0 will be automatically used instead". that's a goddamn lie!! ;) |
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| 20:22.28 | anything_ | magyar yes , I just want the username and password to be stored and compared from LDAP |
| 20:22.55 | magyar | anything_: ldap om the smb server |
| 20:22.56 | magyar | ? |
| 20:23.20 | anything_ | magyar no on another machine |
| 20:23.38 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, I recall having problems with this same stuff you are dealing with. are you sure you're not missing a module? I remember lirc was 2 modules, one specific to the IR device and one more "general" but this was sooo long ago :-) |
| 20:23.47 | magyar | anything_: another *nix server? |
| 20:23.56 | jintxo | I still have that card, just don't use it sine I moved to this house. |
| 20:24.00 | cirzgamanti | lirc homepage says no modules needed for asusdh. |
| 20:24.09 | cirzgamanti | found that out after compiling the modules ;) |
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| 20:24.23 | cirzgamanti | i rmmod the modules again, so that should not be a problem i hope. |
| 20:24.51 | anything_ | magyar no no only LDAP used by radius server |
| 20:24.52 | jintxo | cirzgamanti, don't you need like a lirc_gpio or lirc_serial or something like that loaded? |
| 20:25.00 | cirzgamanti | the general mod is lirc_dev probably |
| 20:25.06 | jintxo | yah |
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| 20:25.51 | magyar | anything_: ohh, then you must setup ldap on the client *nix server and configure it to auth to radius |
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| 20:26.08 | cirzgamanti | i did modprobe lirc_dev now, and /etc/init.d/lirc restart, still no /dev/lirc* (except /dev/lircd, which is something else) |
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| 20:26.24 | jintxo | selim, try moving those libs out of the way. maybe your postfix is "announcing" ntlm or sasl auth but is unable to do it, therefore confusing the clients. if it doesn't work, you can always put the libs back |
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| 20:26.39 | Elive_user18 | hey guys - quick question: esd works under root but regular user gives me following errors: esd - ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' ... |
| 20:26.58 | anything_ | magyar no I don't have any nix server, freeRadius contacts ldap directly |
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| 20:27.18 | selim | jintxo: it was a permission problem: adduser postfix sasl solved the problem |
| 20:27.31 | jintxo | selim, ah, good to know :-) |
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| 20:28.05 | DaBonBon | i am using the install guide to install my system using pen drive. i have put the kde-CD1.iso on the pen drive. yet, the gtk installer can't find it. it searches only the hard disk drive for the ISO |
| 20:28.07 | DaBonBon | what should i do? |
| 20:28.14 | selim | jintxo: thank you for your help |
| 20:28.15 | cristoper | Elive_user18: I have no idea. Does the regular user belong to the 'audio' group? |
| 20:28.19 | abrotman | Elive_user18: i think you want #elive |
| 20:28.34 | magyar | anything_: so you want to have the clients auth agains ldap server? |
| 20:28.43 | jintxo | selim, yup |
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| 20:28.49 | anything_ | magyar yes exactly |
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| 20:29.35 | magyar | anything_: you need to set /etc/nsswitch.conf to enable ldap |
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| 20:30.05 | anything_ | magyar ah .. no need for PAM_LDAP ? |
| 20:30.11 | rpaulson | when will it be possible to install hplip again? |
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| 20:30.17 | rpaulson | without removing my kernel.. |
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| 20:31.56 | magyar | anything_: sure, pam should know about it also |
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| 20:32.17 | adama | I'm running sid, did a dist-upgrade and rebooted to put in a DVD_RW and now: http://overdrive.polarcom.com/Screenshot-Computer.png ... none of those icons will open either |
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| 20:32.39 | anything_ | magyar thanks very much |
| 20:32.49 | magyar | rpaulson: it is possible |
| 20:32.55 | magyar | anything_: np |
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| 20:33.06 | adama | Couldn't display "computer:///Domus.volume". The location is not a folder. |
| 20:33.08 | rpaulson | magyar: in unstable? |
| 20:33.10 | boodi2 | ok, yesterday, trying to upgrade from etch to lenny, I launched "aptitude upgrade"; after 26 hours I stopped it. Now it seems that there are (maybe) all the packages ready, and lenny running ... what would be my best next move? |
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| 20:33.56 | magyar | rpaulson: sure, unless it's n/a in unstable |
| 20:34.13 | Wyzard | adama: I noticed earlier today that I have a similar problem with PDF files, no actions for opening them |
| 20:34.15 | Elive_user18 | xmms cannot play sound. it tells me 'please check if snd card conf corr or no ther program is blocking the soundcard' how can I check whats blocking soundcard? |
| 20:34.27 | stef_ | anyone here upgraded zimbra from source, on debian lenny or etch? |
| 20:34.31 | adama | Elive_user18: lsof /dev/dsp |
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| 20:34.32 | Wyzard | adama: A bunch of libraries have been updated in the past day or so -- looks like GNOME 2.24 is starting to go in |
| 20:34.39 | gnufs | hi all |
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| 20:34.50 | SuperNick | whats is the version IA64 |
| 20:34.50 | gnufs | i keep geting "W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.238.52 80]" with apt update |
| 20:35.13 | rpaulson | magyar: http://paste.debian.net/28502/ |
| 20:35.40 | rpaulson | apt suggests I remove my linux image to install hplip.. I disagree :P |
| 20:36.19 | Elive_user18 | lsof: status error on /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 20:36.53 | adama | Elive_user18: try lsof /dev/audio |
| 20:37.01 | Elive_user18 | adama, i had issues with esd, i added user's group to audio and that solved esd problems but now still having issues with xmms connectiong to soundserver |
| 20:37.16 | SuperNick | what difference between ia64 and amd64 debian ? |
| 20:37.23 | Elive_user18 | [root ~]# lsof /dev/audio |
| 20:37.23 | Elive_user18 | lsof: status error on /dev/audio: No such file or directory |
| 20:37.23 | Elive_user18 | lsof 4.78 |
| 20:37.28 | Wyzard | SuperNick: completely different architectures |
| 20:37.31 | magyar | rpaulson: what happens if you clear all pending actions and do a apt-get update |
| 20:37.33 | adama | Elive_user18: what do you have chosen for "output Plugin" in xmms prefs? |
| 20:37.33 | Wyzard | SuperNick: IA64 is Itanium |
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| 20:38.04 | icebrain | does Debian enable PGO while compiling Iceweasel? Those figures on TuxRadar are frightening :P |
| 20:38.06 | Wyzard | SuperNick: amd64 (aka "x86_64" aka "x64") is what you find in modern PCs |
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| 20:38.23 | abrotman | Elive_user18: you should be in #elive |
| 20:38.48 | rpaulson | magyar: my apt cache is already updated |
| 20:38.57 | Elive_user18 | its not distro's fault... they are debian... and more ppl know they sheet here |
| 20:39.02 | Elive_user18 | but thank you for suggestion |
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| 20:39.16 | SuperNick | for intel core2duo 64bit, i should use amd64 ? not ia ? |
| 20:39.30 | Wyzard | SuperNick: yes |
| 20:39.52 | rpaulson | rpaulson: it was already installed, but then I did a dist-upgrade which removed it |
| 20:39.54 | abrotman | Elive_user18: no, go to #elive |
| 20:39.55 | rpaulson | magyar: |
| 20:40.04 | rpaulson | magyar: and now I can't install it again without removing my kernel |
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| 20:40.45 | jelly-home | icebrain: no. PGO implies having a P first, and I gather the mozilla people don't give out their "typical user actions" with the source |
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| 20:41.11 | Wyzard | SuperNick: Intel created IA64 ("Itanium") but it didn't sell well (it's nicknamed "Itanic"), then AMD created AMD64, then Intel copied the AMD64 instruction set and implemented it in their own "Intel 64" processors like the Core 2 |
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| 20:41.58 | Wyzard | SuperNick: That's why "amd64" is the correct choice for your Intel processor -- it's named after AMD because AMD created it, but Intel and AMD both implement it |
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| 20:42.08 | magyar | rpaulson: i dont have unstable, but try: apt-get clean;apt-get check |
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| 20:42.25 | rpaulson | rpaulson: it doesn't help |
| 20:42.33 | Elive_user18 | what is it to you abrotman? if you dont know ... dont answer it.. damm |
| 20:42.44 | magyar | wow |
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| 20:42.59 | abrotman | Elive_user18: i'm telling you this channel is to support Debian users, not elive users .. we do not support debian-based distros here, go to #elive or ##linux |
| 20:43.15 | keith4 | how is it that watching a youtube video with the non-free flash 9 plugin can use an entire 3Ghz core, and still be choppy? *with* hardware acceleration turned on |
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| 20:43.33 | jelly-home | Elive_user18: we cannot support users that have unknown changes done to their distro which is only based off debian |
| 20:43.54 | Wyzard | keith4: hehe... I notice that too, just yesterday |
| 20:44.02 | jelly-home | keith4: ask Adobe? |
| 20:44.08 | corinth | I just installed Lenny. I need help getting my wireless internet to work. Please help, ask whatever info you need and ye shall receive. |
| 20:44.13 | magyar | rpaulson: some thing is b0rken. I am not sure, but there might be a "unstable" channel for debian |
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| 20:44.26 | keith4 | jelly-home: yah, i guess. just making sure i'm not crazy. or the only one with this problem |
| 20:44.41 | Wyzard | keith4: I also noticed that Moonlight (Mono's Silverlight implementation) went 1.0 recently in sid... if it works well, hopefully Silverlight provides Flash with some competition to make it improve |
| 20:44.46 | PeterFA | How far along is Debian Squishy? |
| 20:44.53 | nkuttler | corinth: which part of getting it to work fails? |
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| 20:45.22 | corinth | nkuttler: I can't see any wireless networks. |
| 20:45.27 | PeterFA | refrains for off-topic cursing of Mono, .NET, Silverlight, and Flash. |
| 20:45.40 | corinth | In Ubuntu, I had to install te itrepid-backports-moduels package to enable my wireless. |
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| 20:45.50 | magyar | rpaulson: !unstable |
| 20:45.54 | corinth | Also, what graphical package manager does Debian use? |
| 20:46.08 | Elive_user18 | its debian and enlightenment... what window manager has to do with support... I am having issues with sound lsof /dev/dsp |
| 20:46.08 | Elive_user18 | lsof: status error on /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 20:46.08 | Elive_user18 | lsof 4.78 |
| 20:46.08 | Elive_user18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.08 | Elive_user18 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:46.15 | magyar | magyar: !unstable |
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| 20:46.21 | abrotman | corinth: what is your wifi chipset ? |
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| 20:46.36 | corinth | abrotman: Not sure. How can I find it out? |
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| 20:46.48 | abrotman | Elive_user18: you've been sileneced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 20:46.54 | abrotman | corinth: lspci or lsusb |
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| 20:47.10 | rabies | anyone know where i can get a pspice RAW file importer for octave? |
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| 20:47.47 | corinth | abrotman: Atheros AR242x |
| 20:48.06 | icebrain | jelly-home: oh, I didn't know that, thanks |
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| 20:49.41 | cirzgamanti | i have a relatively unspoiled debian install (<1 week), and it takes quite long to connect to any web address. it connects to the router the same way my previous debian machine did, but takes maybe ten seconds before loading a web site etc.; any ideas where the problem may be? |
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| 20:49.54 | keith4 | cirzgamanti: DNS |
| 20:50.10 | cirzgamanti | on the router, on on the debian machine? |
| 20:50.12 | abrotman | corinth: you very likely need firmware |
| 20:50.26 | Fah | yeah, sounds a lot like a slow resolver |
| 20:50.28 | abrotman | corinth: moment |
| 20:50.34 | corinth | abrotman: I can do that, I'm sure. My pc is connected to the internet. |
| 20:50.47 | corinth | Thanks for the effort, even if it doesn't produce results, abrotman . :-) |
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| 20:51.02 | PeterFA | Is there not a dpkg response for !squishy? |
| 20:51.02 | jelly-home | keith4: I bet it's the resolver, not DNS itself ;-) |
| 20:51.21 | MrWax | anyone knows how to set up a proxy with putty from your shell? |
| 20:51.23 | Wyzard | PeterFA: It's "squeeze", not "squishy" :-) |
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| 20:51.36 | Fah | no, its DNS. keith4 b0rked the intertubes |
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| 20:51.47 | PeterFA | Oh. |
| 20:52.11 | cirzgamanti | jelly-home, keith4: should i check the config of the router? probably not, because other machines connect ok. how could i check? |
| 20:52.34 | jelly-home | cirzgamanti: is "getent hosts google.com" slow? |
| 20:52.48 | keith4 | cirzgamanti: when you resolve a hostname... and then resolve it again, is it much faster the second time? |
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| 20:53.09 | abrotman | corinth: what is the pciid from lspci -nn |
| 20:53.24 | PeterFA | I wonder how messy it will be to switch to Squeeze before KDE4 is there when I have KDE4 installed from the repos that deliver it, but apart from the main repos for Lenny. |
| 20:53.28 | cirzgamanti | jelly-home: yes. |
| 20:53.41 | cirzgamanti | keith4: i don't think so. |
| 20:53.55 | jelly-home | cirzgamanti: grep ^hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 20:53.59 | cirzgamanti | keith4: how would you check for this? |
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| 20:54.19 | jelly-home | cirzgamanti: you would run "getent hosts google.com" again |
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| 20:54.36 | cirzgamanti | jelly-home: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 20:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, depends on how messy those KDE4 packages are ,no? Updates to testing should leave them alone as long as there's no package with a higher version number... |
| 20:54.44 | jelly-home | all it does is resolve a hostname. |
| 20:54.44 | cirzgamanti | keith4: no, it's still slow. |
| 20:54.45 | nanonyme | Hmm, so Lenny is released now. Should I expect 2.6.28 kernel images to get to unstable soon? |
| 20:54.46 | corinth | abrotman: lspci -nm output a lot of things, but I don't see anything that says pciid |
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| 20:54.55 | abrotman | corinth: it's at the end of the line |
| 20:54.58 | cirzgamanti | s/still/again |
| 20:55.02 | abrotman | like 8086:124f |
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| 20:55.49 | jelly-home | cirzgamanti: all right. now comment that line and replace it with just "hosts: files dns" |
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| 20:56.12 | abrotman | corinth: it's -nn .. not -nm |
| 20:56.17 | jelly-home | cirzgamanti: ... and try again |
| 20:56.17 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm thinking that Squeeze will have KDE4 in the main repos, whereas Lenny does not. Now Lenny is frozen, and on my system I have some extra repos enabled just for KDE4. When I switch to Squeeze (which I plan to do as soon as it looks safe) what happens depends on the status of KDE4 packages in the main repos. |
| 20:56.24 | cirzgamanti | still slow |
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| 20:56.52 | corinth | Oh, thanks. One sec, lol. |
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| 20:57.02 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, if they are there, then I should just drop the extra repos, but if not, then I should keep them, or maybe look for a more appropriate repo, depending on how things turn out. |
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| 20:57.21 | jelly-home | cirzgamanti: about the same, or any better? |
| 20:57.27 | cirzgamanti | can't have something to do with dhcp? because i'm thinking of switching to static ip, just forgot how i did this last time, and don't want to break anything. |
| 20:57.31 | corinth | abrotman: 168c:001c |
| 20:57.31 | mischief6 | wow, installing apt-build just grabbed 72MB of packages i don't think i need :/ |
| 20:57.35 | corinth | Does that make any sense? |
| 20:57.38 | cirzgamanti | jelly-home: wait, i'll time it :) |
| 20:57.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, well, yes - they will be left alone until testing has packages with an equal or higher version number than what you've got installed - as long as you keep the extra repros that's unlikely to happen |
| 20:58.16 | keith4 | cirzgamanti: are you using the router as a DNS server? or are you using upstream servers, like from your ISP? |
| 20:58.27 | jelly-home | cirzgamanti: pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/nsswitch.conf and the file strace.log generated by "strace -ostrace.log -TT getent hosts google.com" |
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| 20:58.42 | abrotman | corinth: it's an ath5k .. it's probably already got the driver, just needs to be setup .. |
| 20:59.00 | corinth | How do I go about doing that? |
| 20:59.05 | cirzgamanti | it's the same time (24secs) with the old line, and with the new |
| 20:59.17 | keith4 | 24 seconds to resolve a host? holy crap |
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| 20:59.29 | cirzgamanti | keith4: actually, i'm not sure. networking is where i'm worst |
| 20:59.30 | abrotman | corinth: look at `ifconfig -a` .. do you see it there ? or look through dmesg |
| 20:59.43 | cirzgamanti | jelly-home: wilco |
| 20:59.50 | keith4 | cirzgamanti: .. how did you time it? |
| 21:00.01 | cirzgamanti | # time :) |
| 21:00.04 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, what should I do if Squeeze has KDE4? |
| 21:00.15 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, do I remove the extra repos or not? |
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| 21:00.19 | jelly-home | 24s is effin long. |
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| 21:00.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, what you like :) |
| 21:00.27 | axolx | get guys -- i have a cron job that i can see on syslog is running, but it does not produce the file it's supposed to. if i run it manually, it produces the files just fine. what could i be missing? |
| 21:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, only thing you should do is to make sure you're not mixing kde packages from the external repro and main - that might be quite some mess (or so I think) |
| 21:01.28 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, well, how does dpkg determine what repos to use? Say they have the same packages? |
| 21:01.32 | keith4 | axolx: cron does not have ENV |
| 21:01.34 | adama | axolx: use full paths, no ~ or relative paths |
| 21:01.40 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, basically. |
| 21:01.51 | cirzgamanti | jelly-home: resolv.conf has 92.168.1.10[01] and 213.168.112.60 as nameservers. is that of any help? |
| 21:02.10 | corinth | abrotman: It says bash: ifconfig: command not found |
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| 21:02.16 | corinth | I'm pasting dmesg though |
| 21:02.16 | keith4 | cirzgamanti: 192.168.1.10[01], you mean ? |
| 21:02.22 | abrotman | corinth: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 21:02.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, /msg dpkg pinning |
| 21:02.31 | cirzgamanti | keith4: yes, sorry |
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| 21:02.51 | keith4 | cirzgamanti: and are both of those valid IPs on your network? |
| 21:02.54 | jelly-home | cirzgamanti: your router's ip is...? |
| 21:03.03 | corinth | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m705dbc1a |
| 21:03.10 | cirzgamanti | 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:03.18 | keith4 | interesting |
| 21:03.20 | mischief6 | does anyone here use apt-build?...is it really worth the ~300mb of packages it installed for me? |
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| 21:03.36 | cirzgamanti | hm, seems like i f'ed up my net installation ;) |
| 21:03.39 | keith4 | cirzgamanti: what are 192.168.1.100 and 101? |
| 21:03.54 | corinth | abrotman: I ran /sbin/ifconfig . It has some info on wlan0. What part of it do you need? |
| 21:03.59 | cirzgamanti | the question would be why are they in resolv.conf? :) |
| 21:04.04 | keith4 | looks like your router is handing out DNS servers that don't exist via DHCP |
| 21:04.10 | corinth | I can paste if I need to, but it means copying between machines on a thumb drive then pastebin. |
| 21:04.12 | corinth | Lol. |
| 21:04.15 | scientes | how can i run the grub other os detection script after isntalling? |
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| 21:04.24 | cirzgamanti | those are the two static IPs configured in the router, so that my two machines have the same ip all the time. |
| 21:04.27 | abrotman | corinth: nothing .. just configure it .. static or DHCP? WEP/WPA ? |
| 21:04.28 | paxcoder | screams: NEW DEBIAAAAAANNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:04.35 | jelly-home | cirzgamanti: either you put them there, or your dhcp server (your router again?) told the OS to put them there |
| 21:04.38 | scientes | yes paxcoder |
| 21:04.46 | infinity1 | mischief6: no. don't use it. i use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:04.51 | paxcoder | jumps up and down |
| 21:05.06 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks. |
| 21:05.08 | corinth | abrotman: I use WEP |
| 21:05.10 | mischief6 | is there a way to remove apt-build and everything that came with it infinity1? |
| 21:05.12 | scientes | or do i have to figure out my menu.1st manually? |
| 21:05.15 | jelly-home | paxcoder: really! I didn't know. Hey, let's join #debian-offtopic and discuss it! |
| 21:05.17 | DaBonBon | did anyone successfully install debian using pen drive, and iso from pen drive? |
| 21:05.23 | infinity1 | paxcoder: yay. its official. now get working on 6.0 already |
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| 21:05.26 | abrotman | corinth: pretty easy to setup .. |
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| 21:05.41 | cirzgamanti | would putting 192.168.1.1 as nameserver work? |
| 21:05.41 | vdka | bouya |
| 21:05.42 | abrotman | corinth: paste your interfaces file .. and i'll paste one back in the pastebin |
| 21:05.43 | infinity1 | mischief6: autoremove? not sure. |
| 21:05.47 | mischief6 | matthewpucc, you didn't even say hi to me today :< |
| 21:05.57 | scientes | cirzgamanti, if there is a nameserver there |
| 21:05.58 | corinth | abrotman: Where is the interfaces file? |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:06.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, so basically the default is a bit stupid if you have >2 repros :( only really works with stable alone or testing/unstable |
| 21:06.26 | cirzgamanti | so maybe just comment out the 192.* |
| 21:06.27 | scientes | cirzgamanti, try dig @192.168.1.1 google.com |
| 21:06.48 | axolx | hey guys: can anyone spot if there's a problem w this cron entry: */1 * * * * root sh /root/backups/hpcms/backup.sh >> /root/backups/hpcms/log.txt |
| 21:06.55 | cirzgamanti | yay, that worked! (commenting out the fake 192.*) |
| 21:07.06 | abrotman | axolx: and where is that located ? |
| 21:07.09 | scientes | so noone know how to detect other oses for menu.last again? |
| 21:07.10 | cirzgamanti | I CAN WALK AGAIN!!! :)) |
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| 21:07.26 | axolx | abrotman: got that from crontab -l |
| 21:07.38 | cirzgamanti | it was a bit of a strange feeling to have glass fibre connection, but have to wait a quarter minute for each request... |
| 21:07.43 | xota | hi! if I change my sources.list from lenny to testing, can I have problems? |
| 21:07.53 | Tramp | cirzgamanti: problem is: they will probably come back the next time you get a dhcp IP |
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| 21:07.56 | eptalon | heyas |
| 21:08.06 | infinity1 | xota: you shouldn't really |
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| 21:08.13 | cirzgamanti | Tramp: one more reason to configure static ip now :) |
| 21:08.14 | nanonyme | infinity1: That's a hefty promise. |
| 21:08.15 | rgr | whats the way to list dependencies in debian using apt? |
| 21:08.38 | infinity1 | nanonyme: lol |
| 21:08.40 | axolx | abrotman: if there were any errors i should see them in log.txt right? that file is created but has no content. yet the backup scrip generates nothing |
| 21:08.49 | Tramp | cirzgamanti: right. This will solve this problem. Edit /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces has examples too) |
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| 21:08.51 | cirzgamanti | thx 100x so far keith4 + jelly-home |
| 21:08.52 | soulpro | aptitude show pkgname i think shows dependencies |
| 21:08.58 | nanonyme | infinity1: He can have problems with stable releases too, after all. :) |
| 21:09.13 | rgr | oh, it is there. build-dep. |
| 21:09.13 | xota | infinity1: days ago, the lenny was the testing, so I think, that If I like to continue over a testing os, I can do it. Am i mistake? |
| 21:09.15 | infinity1 | xota: testing was just released, but it will start changing very soon. |
| 21:09.19 | corinth | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m76940dfe |
| 21:09.33 | eptalon | some crashing fs blew away most of /var/lib/dpkg status. |
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| 21:09.43 | nanonyme | I don't think Squeeze has that many things Lenny doesn't have yet but I might be wrong... |
| 21:09.46 | eptalon | (the postins,t prerm, etc) files. |
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| 21:10.07 | eptalon | nanonyme: Squeeze? |
| 21:10.12 | nanonyme | eptalon: The new testing. |
| 21:10.18 | eptalon | oh. |
| 21:10.21 | infinity1 | xota: i woudln't run testing on a production machine. but if its a workstation that you don't mind fiddling with fixing somethings once in awhile, its fine. |
| 21:10.39 | At0x0 | I'm getting the error message "Feb 16 15:09:43 debian sendmail[16658]: My unqualified host name (debian) unknown; sleeping for retry" when I send a simple email via sendmail command line. In my /etc/hosts file I have "127.0.1.1 debian". Can anyone tell me why I'm still getting this error message? |
| 21:10.49 | abrotman | corinth: http://pastebin.com/m6ace1541 |
| 21:10.55 | keith4 | cirzgamanti: really, you should fix your DHCP server |
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| 21:10.58 | nanonyme | infinity1: I always thought it as stable => server, testing => desktop. |
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| 21:11.00 | eptalon | xota: Another (very) good time is to get the data-containing /home on its own partition. |
| 21:11.01 | xota | infinity1: it's my desktop machine. I don't like unstable, but testing (old lenny) was very stable, so I like to continue with testing |
| 21:11.03 | keith4 | cirzgamanti: so it doesn't hand out wrong IPs for DNS servers |
| 21:11.07 | gr00ber | Lenny is for faggots |
| 21:11.10 | infinity1 | xota: i use to use unstable when testing didn't exist. it was sometimes annoying, but almost never had any major issues. |
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| 21:11.20 | infinity1 | xota: thats fine. |
| 21:11.30 | nanonyme | xota: Well, even the unstable is currently pretty old. :P |
| 21:11.32 | mischief6 | infinity1, where can i find this..autoremove? :s |
| 21:11.45 | nanonyme | Should get fixed as people bump new versions. |
| 21:11.53 | infinity1 | apt-get autormove ? or is it aptitude autoremove? |
| 21:11.58 | cirzgamanti | keith4: on the router, or on the debian machine? |
| 21:12.05 | keith4 | cirzgamanti: on the router |
| 21:12.15 | nanonyme | Heck, I think eg X.org 7.4 is currently only in experimental. |
| 21:12.20 | eptalon | mischief6: apt-get "autoremov" |
| 21:12.22 | eptalon | e |
| 21:12.22 | xota | ok, I'm doing it. the lenny was released last week, so I only have one packet to upgrade. is it correct? |
| 21:12.26 | infinity1 | nanonyme: really? is that because everyone was working on leenny? |
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| 21:12.42 | corinth | How do I add myself to sudo users? |
| 21:12.46 | nanonyme | infinity1: No, it is because unstable was "frozen" for a while. |
| 21:12.49 | mischief6 | infinity1, eptalon thanks |
| 21:12.57 | infinity1 | xota: sounds right |
| 21:13.01 | nanonyme | infinity1: As in, not officially frozen, no new packages just were put in. |
| 21:13.08 | infinity1 | xota: i wouldn't expect much difference. its only a week |
| 21:13.13 | dana_good1 | corinth: visudoers |
| 21:13.14 | nanonyme | That's as far as I've understood it. |
| 21:13.41 | xota | yes yes, I was only asking, because I only have this machine now, and I need it ;D It's normal no diference, but there will be ;D |
| 21:13.44 | infinity1 | i think i'l upgrade this box i'm on to lenny ;) |
| 21:13.52 | cirzgamanti | keith4: that's easier said than done. i'm a total networking dummie, no idea why. |
| 21:13.56 | corinth | dana_good1: Sorry, what? It can't find the command. |
| 21:14.06 | nanonyme | infinity1: Unstable should start rolling now though, eventually the packages get to new testing and then we're back on track. :) |
| 21:14.11 | xota | upgrades day, I go to upgrade my nvidia drivers too! thank so much! |
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| 21:14.43 | infinity1 | nanonyme: yea. hopefully 6.0 isn't frozen for a year before it releases. |
| 21:14.50 | nanonyme | infinity1: You didn't find it surprising that unstable didn't have a newer Linux kernel than 2.6.26? |
| 21:15.03 | infinity1 | nanonyme: i haven't used unstable in a long time |
| 21:15.17 | dana_good1 | corinth: sorry its visudo |
| 21:15.25 | infinity1 | nanonyme: if unstable had zfs i'd upgrade in a heart-beat. other than that, i don't think i care :) |
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| 21:15.40 | nanonyme | infinity1: I don't use it, I just check the package listing so I know what's going to get into testing soonish. |
| 21:15.43 | dana_good1 | corinth: you should look up the syntax on google before editing too much. |
| 21:15.50 | jelly-home | infinity1: unstable Debian GNU/kFreeBSD might have it. |
| 21:16.06 | monkeyblack | I forgot my sudo password, how can I reset the password again? |
| 21:16.11 | jelly-home | infinity1: you won't see ZFS in Linux soon |
| 21:16.13 | infinity1 | jelly-home: the linux kernel will never have it |
| 21:16.26 | abrotman | monkeyblack: it's your user password |
| 21:16.26 | OpenTokix | ext4 <3 =) |
| 21:16.30 | arezey | how long will squeeze be bumpy? |
| 21:16.36 | infinity1 | ext4 sux balls |
| 21:16.41 | monkeyblack | isnt it the root password? |
| 21:16.42 | nanonyme | abrotman: At least if it's actually sudo instead of su. ;) |
| 21:16.45 | bittin_ | i just got home from a Debian 5.0 Release fest |
| 21:16.49 | keith4 | monkeyblack: no |
| 21:16.51 | jelly-home | arezey: until December 2010. |
| 21:16.51 | nanonyme | monkeyblack: User password for sudo, root for su. |
| 21:16.58 | arezey | jelly-home, yeah, right |
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| 21:17.22 | infinity1 | jelly-home: that sounds a little optimistic |
| 21:17.23 | infinity1 | hah |
| 21:17.41 | nanonyme | infinity1: Or pessimistic, depends on which way you look at it from. |
| 21:17.52 | jelly-home | infinity1: I'm an optimist. /msg dpkg lenny pool 1 |
| 21:18.36 | jelly-home | !squeeze pool |
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| 21:18.54 | jelly-home | dpkg: you need to be taught things. |
| 21:18.54 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 21:19.01 | arezey | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 21:19.02 | dpkg | ! valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 |
| 21:19.03 | arezey | :) |
| 21:19.07 | orioni | hi there , my debian distro doesnt read the /etc/network/interface |
| 21:19.08 | corinth | How do I save my sudoers file when editing with visudo? |
| 21:19.10 | nanonyme | On the bright side: if it's out december 2010, we'll have fully moved to KMS+GEM with radeon by then. |
| 21:19.13 | arezey | but wow o_O |
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| 21:19.35 | orioni | the syntax is ok |
| 21:19.36 | nanonyme | (Erm, frozen then even) |
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| 21:19.38 | dana_good1 | corinth: :w |
| 21:19.53 | jpinx | corinth: Ctrl o -- iirc |
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| 21:20.02 | arezey | but... what i really meant was how long will the "update flood" continue |
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| 21:20.24 | nanonyme | Isn't it mostly a good thing? :P |
| 21:20.35 | infinity1 | what update flood? |
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| 21:20.42 | arezey | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 21:20.51 | orioni | hi there , my debian distro doesnt read the /etc/network/interface , and i have to reconfigure the interfaces every time the system starts |
| 21:20.54 | arezey | kicks dpkg |
| 21:20.57 | orioni | any help ? |
| 21:21.06 | infinity1 | arezey: is there like a mailing list or something |
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| 21:21.14 | nanonyme | orioni: Did you mean interfaces? |
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| 21:21.17 | arezey | well, [23:19:10] <dpkg> At present, it should be no more difficult than s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while. If you don't know what that means or why that would be, stick with lenny. |
| 21:21.24 | orioni | yes |
| 21:21.26 | nanonyme | Hehe. |
| 21:21.31 | arezey | i was wondering how long will that "bumpy ride" continue |
| 21:21.35 | infinity1 | orioni: you're probably mistaken |
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| 21:21.59 | orioni | this /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:22.01 | anddam | hello |
| 21:22.09 | nanonyme | arezey: Well, I have to use X.org from experimental still so I can't understand how Squeezy could be more of a bumpy ride than what I currently experience. :P |
| 21:22.16 | nanonyme | Erm, Squeeze even. |
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| 21:22.27 | nanonyme | (That is, no problems) |
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| 21:22.30 | samba | hi all - i have some questions regarding repository structure - i'm still learning the tools used to manage a repo, but we have somewhat special requirements, and may be writing our own tools for it |
| 21:22.47 | infinity1 | i love the debian website. its so pre web 1.0 |
| 21:23.14 | samba | what i can't yet grasp is how a specific version of a package is associated with a specific distribution - where is that map defined? |
| 21:23.16 | arezey | anyhow, i'm off to sleep -> |
| 21:23.24 | infinity1 | it porbably loads fine with ncsa mosaic |
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| 21:23.58 | infinity1 | samba: cool ain't it |
| 21:24.29 | infinity1 | samba: check packages.debian.org. maybe that will help you |
| 21:25.27 | infinity1 | samba: once you get the hang of it, you'll be mixing packages between versions. its awesome. |
| 21:26.19 | orioni | anyhelp with the /etc/network/interfaces problem ? |
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| 21:26.37 | samba | infinity1: do you have something more specific? I've already seen how each packages define the 'Section' field of the control file, and that relates to the component they're in, but nothing in the package indicates which distribution they fall under |
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| 21:27.22 | At0x0 | Anyone gotten these errors w/ sendmail before? http://pastebin.com/m36dc24d7 -- My /etc/hosts file and other settings seem right, but sendmail hangs for up to a minute trying to resolve "debian" (localhost). |
| 21:27.33 | infinity1 | samba: hmm ...the package |
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| 21:28.11 | infinity1 | samba: i think i see what you're saying. |
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| 21:28.30 | infinity1 | a packae ins't pinned to a version of debian? well, it sorta is. notice "Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1)" |
| 21:28.34 | m3ltdown | how to flush the dns cache? :/ |
| 21:28.46 | infinity1 | m3ltdown: linux doesn't have a dns cache by default |
| 21:28.59 | m3ltdown | hm |
| 21:28.59 | infinity1 | its not like ipconfig /flushdns on windows |
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| 21:29.31 | cirzgamanti` | keith4: i solved the router issue. turns out i misread the fields under "dhcp server" it says "static DNS [1-5]". i thought i have to enter the static IPs there that i want to use 8P i zeroed them out, now all is fine. |
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| 21:29.46 | corinth | abrotman: I edited /etc/network/interfaces and added what you gave me, but no internet still. |
| 21:29.57 | adama | http://overdrive.polarcom.com/Screenshot-bonnefoy.png ...I think I've lost my file associations. This has also happened for .desktop files, .drive files, ... how to get them back?? |
| 21:30.00 | corinth | Additionally, it now doesn't even show wireless as an option in KNetworkManager |
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| 21:30.30 | sputnick | hi there |
| 21:30.33 | abrotman | corinth: ifup wlan0 ? |
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| 21:31.06 | sputnick | what is the best way to have nvidia modules for my custom 2.6.28 kernel ? m-a failed... |
| 21:31.22 | corinth | abrotman: ifup: interface wlan0 already configured |
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| 21:31.43 | samba | infinity1: i'm aware of the version dependencies that packages can enforce, but that still doesn't say "this version of this package is in sid, not lenny" or anything to that effect |
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| 21:32.08 | abrotman | corinth: sorry .. down then up |
| 21:32.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | back |
| 21:32.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman you are here |
| 21:32.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | as i asked above. when will the unstable get out of freeze |
| 21:32.35 | infinity1 | samba: yep. its not tied to a version of debian other than the dependecies |
| 21:32.39 | abrotman | it is |
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| 21:32.43 | corinth | abrotman: Sorry, what? |
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| 21:32.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok. i am waiting for gnome 2.24 and stuffs |
| 21:33.17 | abrotman | corinth: take it down and then up |
| 21:33.19 | infinity1 | samba: the main dependency being the binaries libc6 |
| 21:33.37 | corinth | abrotman: How do I do that? |
| 21:33.39 | monkeyblack_ | anyone knows why I keep getting this message everytime I try to sudo? "monkeyblack is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 21:33.39 | monkeyblack_ | " |
| 21:33.45 | corinth | Sorry, I'm a total Debian noob. |
| 21:33.59 | samba | infinity1: ok, so are those libc6 and the like mapped to different distros? |
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| 21:34.22 | keith4 | monkeyblack: oddly enough, it means you don't have an entry in the sudoers file. |
| 21:34.27 | infinity1 | samba: this might help as well. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-testing |
| 21:34.28 | abrotman | corinth: ifdown wlan0 |
| 21:34.37 | orioni | hi there , my debian distro doesnt read the /etc/network/interfaces , and i have to reconfigure the interfaces every time the system starts |
| 21:34.40 | monkeyblack_ | keith4: how can I add one? |
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| 21:34.51 | orioni | any help ? |
| 21:34.53 | infinity1 | samba: i dont think the version of libc6 changes in a release of debian |
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| 21:35.16 | keith4 | monkeyblack: you need to fix /etc/sudoers |
| 21:35.22 | infinity1 | samba: so basically, a binary package is pinned to that version of libc6 which in turn pins it to a specific version of debian |
| 21:35.24 | gpr | orion: does the file exists at all, or it has errors |
| 21:35.37 | orioni | gpr: iit exists |
| 21:35.41 | orioni | no error |
| 21:35.49 | infinity1 | samba: but you generally can run older binaries on newer versions of debian (newer libc) |
| 21:35.50 | orioni | the same file works OK on another machine |
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| 21:36.19 | keith4 | orioni: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces, and the output of 'ifconfig -a' |
| 21:36.20 | monkeyblack_ | keith4: I would have to switch back to my root account? |
| 21:36.20 | gpr | orioni: so when system boots, what ifconfig says |
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| 21:36.51 | corinth | abrotman: That didn't work. :-( |
| 21:36.52 | orioni | nothing at all |
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| 21:37.05 | keith4 | monkeyblack_: "switch back to"? |
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| 21:37.11 | samba | infinity1: right, and that's what i'm trying to figure out - if that libc6 is pinned to a specific version/release/distro of debian (terminology of the reference material re: repos), where is that "pinning" defined? i can't imagine it to be client-side, since the repo/server side implements that mapping in the Packages.{bz2,gz} files |
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| 21:37.26 | keith4 | monkeyblack_: you can't edit the sudoers file without root privs, for obvious reasons |
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| 21:37.38 | gpr | orioni: what ifup eth0 does? |
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| 21:38.12 | abrotman | corinth: reboot the whole system, then paste the output of ifconfig -a and dmesg |
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| 21:38.38 | corinth | abrotman: Ok. Brb. |
| 21:38.41 | orioni | success ( echo $? => 0 ) |
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| 21:39.16 | At0x0 | Anyone gotten these errors w/ sendmail before? http://pastebin.com/m36dc24d7 -- My /etc/hosts file and other settings seem right, but sendmail hangs for up to a minute trying to resolve "debian" (localhost). |
| 21:39.16 | infinity1 | samba: libc6 version doesn't change in released version of debian. so the packages are automatically pinned because they are compiled for that release |
| 21:39.35 | monkeyblack_ | keith4: I should myself to the User privilege specification |
| 21:39.35 | monkeyblack_ | ? |
| 21:39.42 | np | hello there! I'm just trying to get new lenny to work with my eeepc 701 wifi. ath5k is loaded at well, but I can't associate to access point. It don't see any with iwlist ;( |
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| 21:39.51 | np | 2.6.26-686-1 |
| 21:40.00 | np | I really have no idea why |
| 21:40.48 | infinity1 | samba: why a debian release has a particular version of libc? i don't know. |
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| 21:41.26 | infinity1 | samba: i imagine it has to do with stability and timing of the devlopment process |
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| 21:44.12 | gionn | np, i have a 900a, and the ath5k wifi module works good only on 2.6.28 |
| 21:44.41 | gionn | if you can't upgrade kernel, try with the madwifi drivers |
| 21:45.06 | gionn | they had worked for me also with the lenny 2.6.26 stock kernel |
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| 21:45.27 | adama | http://overdrive.polarcom.com/Screenshot-bonnefoy.png ...I think I've lost my file associations. This has also happened for .desktop files, .drive files, ... how to get them back?? |
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| 21:46.42 | josh_ | could someone help me with a boot up problem? I get init: cannot execute /sbin/getty? |
| 21:46.44 | ROKO__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.47 | ROKO__ | help plssss |
| 21:47.25 | adama | ROKO__: what is the problem |
| 21:47.46 | Fah | password your ssh keys? |
| 21:48.00 | ROKO__ | ssh rsa_key not working |
| 21:48.01 | ROKO__ | :{ |
| 21:48.09 | ROKO__ | see log in the link |
| 21:48.44 | adama | there is no log here, this is just you creating a key |
| 21:48.57 | ROKO__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:49.14 | ROKO__ | how create key |
| 21:49.14 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 21:49.16 | corinth | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m2ed13613 |
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| 21:49.22 | doolph | anyone know how can I add another hard disk to /home?? I am using LVM |
| 21:49.38 | adama | ROKO__: you did, this page shows that you did it. what are you trying to do now? |
| 21:49.58 | ROKO__ | ssh is not working |
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| 21:50.00 | ROKO__ | :@ |
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| 21:50.10 | adama | !doesn't work |
| 21:50.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:50.15 | ROKO__ | you can`t see ?? |
| 21:50.45 | hackel | I had installed the "trac" package on etch from backports.org and am having trouble upgrading to lenny. "pycentral remove trac" gives me : shared files found in old (/usr/share/pycentral/trac/site-packages/) and new locations (/usr/share/pyshared/) and so I can't remove the package. Any ideas to recover from this? |
| 21:50.47 | adama | ROKO__: no man, this page you pasted is just you creating a key! There's no error, no problem! |
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| 21:50.57 | ROKO__ | omg |
| 21:50.58 | ROKO__ | ... |
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| 21:51.14 | ROKO__ | how create this key |
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| 21:51.46 | adama | you created the key using the ssh-keygen command. See how it says "Private key saved to /root/.ssh2/id_dsa_2048_b"? |
| 21:51.54 | adama | that's the key |
| 21:52.01 | adama | 253-176:/etc/ssh# ssh-keygen -t dsa |
| 21:52.01 | abrotman | corinth: moment |
| 21:52.10 | adama | that was you, creating the key |
| 21:52.17 | abrotman | corinth: paste your interfaces file also |
| 21:52.25 | zophy | my ~ key doesn't work |
| 21:52.36 | ROKO__ | ssh-keygen -t dsa |
| 21:52.36 | ROKO__ | Generating 2048-bit dsa key pair |
| 21:52.36 | ROKO__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.36 | ROKO__ | Key generated. |
| 21:52.36 | ROKO__ | 2048-bit dsa, root@253-176, Mon Feb 16 2009 23:52:13 +0200 |
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| 21:52.53 | Vasistha | zophy: get a new keyboard/ |
| 21:53.01 | adama | ROKO__: you already showed us that |
| 21:53.11 | ROKO__ | how use this key |
| 21:53.13 | ROKO__ | ... |
| 21:53.13 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 21:53.14 | abrotman | zophy: looks fine here |
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| 21:53.56 | Fah | ROKO__: go read this: http://www.sshkeychain.org/mirrors/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
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| 21:54.00 | monkeyblack_ | how do I know which release of debian I have installed? is there a command for this, like how do i know id i have etch,lenny or sid |
| 21:54.12 | monkeyblack_ | if* |
| 21:54.54 | abrotman | monkeyblack_: look at your sources.list |
| 21:54.56 | ROKO__ | how remove ssh2 from my debian |
| 21:54.57 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 21:55.37 | Fah | apt-get remove ssh ssh-server |
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| 21:55.42 | deadcat | whats a good GUI cd (audio) burning tool that doesnt require me to install all those gnome crap? |
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| 21:56.14 | maximus_ | are gstreamer OSS plugins in lenny? |
| 21:56.30 | cristoper | monkeyblack_: 'cat /etc/issues' will give you a clue. But looking in /etc/apt/sources.list you can see what repositories you've been installing packages from. |
| 21:56.37 | Dracie_ | hi I can get 3d working in root, but not in my user... are there any groups that I need to add my user to? |
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| 21:56.48 | corinth | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m5d1e7c9d |
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| 21:57.08 | At0x0 | Anyone gotten these errors w/ sendmail before? http://pastebin.com/m36dc24d7 -- My /etc/hosts file and other settings seem right, but sendmail hangs for up to a minute trying to resolve "debian" (localhost). |
| 21:57.13 | keith4 | maximus_: probably lumped in with the good/bad/ugly plugins |
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| 21:57.18 | monkeyblack_ | cristoper: yeah im running etch, i looked into sources.list |
| 21:57.21 | maximus_ | keith4: ah, thanks |
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| 21:57.39 | maximus_ | keith4: I know Ubuntu has them, but I hear the oss plugin is fairly new and untested |
| 21:57.41 | policedar | hello people, I did a stock install of Debian etch onto my USB flash drive and installed GRUB to the MBR, however when I boot from the USB drive, I just get one line after the BIOS says 'Searching for Boot Record from USB RMD-FDD.. OK', which is GRUB. The computer doesn't respond to any key strokes at this point, I have to reboot. |
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| 21:58.02 | policedar | what am i doing wrong? grub-install to the mbr didn't give any errors. |
| 21:58.09 | doti | how can i know in a bash script the date that will be in 30 minutes |
| 21:58.27 | abrotman | corinth: please tell me you substituted mywifi for your actual wifi SSID ? |
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| 21:59.21 | policedar | people? any ideas? |
| 21:59.42 | keith4 | doti: #bash |
| 21:59.52 | monkeyblack_ | W: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 22:00.00 | monkeyblack_ | ;\ |
| 22:00.11 | Dracie_ | monkeyblack, you need to get the verification key if you want to feel safe |
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| 22:00.34 | monkeyblack_ | Dracie_: how can I get they key? |
| 22:00.37 | maximus_ | and not have to hit 'y' during every update |
| 22:00.41 | Dracie_ | policedar, look at the gentoo grub error wiki and reinstall grub |
| 22:01.01 | jamon | monkeyblack_: read that site carefully |
| 22:01.02 | Dracie_ | monkeyblack, its on the debian multimedia website |
| 22:01.08 | doti | keith4: what? |
| 22:01.09 | policedar | that's just the thing... it doesn't give an error. |
| 22:01.11 | Dracie_ | you might not notice it at first |
| 22:01.17 | doti | keith4: oh, im stupid, sorry |
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| 22:01.38 | Dracie_ | policedar, hmmm i dunno, look at the errors some don't look like errors |
| 22:01.40 | keith4 | monkeyblack_: it's packaged |
| 22:01.49 | keith4 | debian-multimedia-keyring, something like that |
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| 22:02.19 | monkeyblack_ | hmm i dont see it |
| 22:02.35 | Dracie_ | =] monkeyblack your looking too hard |
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| 22:02.37 | zsakr | whats the difference between full-upgrade ad upgrade ? |
| 22:02.52 | Eulex | zsakr, man aptitude |
| 22:02.53 | Dracie_ | zsakr, feel free to look at the debian documentation |
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| 22:03.50 | toxygen | hey |
| 22:04.10 | toxygen | i would like to ask, does anything like encrypted talkd or ntalkd exists? |
| 22:04.26 | abrotman | toxygen: jabber over tls? |
| 22:04.36 | OpenTokix | toxygen: just use talk over vpn |
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| 22:04.53 | zsakr | cant seem to get the difference |
| 22:04.56 | zsakr | please help me |
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| 22:05.23 | toxygen | abrotman: ok, something more simple, not bloated, <64K |
| 22:05.29 | toxygen | OpenTokix: good idea |
| 22:05.30 | abrotman | zsakr: man aptitude describes it pretty well |
| 22:05.35 | abrotman | toxygen: have everyone ssh in ? |
| 22:05.35 | toxygen | OpenTokix: never thought of it that way |
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| 22:06.06 | toxygen | abrotman: well, the problem is server<->server connection, not client<->server, as all clients are going over ssh |
| 22:06.20 | toxygen | zsakr: what's your problem |
| 22:06.41 | toxygen | i was just thinking more about ytalk over ssl layer, two things in one |
| 22:06.44 | Fah | At0x0: those sendmail issues... sendmail does very very badly with hostnames that dont actually resolve. When it starts, it wants to find the fqdn |
| 22:06.46 | toxygen | just linked with ssl lib |
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| 22:07.05 | zsakr | I just ran the full update it just finished |
| 22:07.06 | abrotman | toxygen: ah .. thought you were talking to local people |
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| 22:07.18 | At0x0 | Fah, is there a way to fix it? I haven't found anything on Google. |
| 22:07.30 | corinth | abrotman: Yes, of course. Hehe. |
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| 22:07.40 | toxygen | abrotman: well, if that was the case... but i talk to people on other servers |
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| 22:07.57 | josh_ | i get an error when i boot up its: init: cannot execute /sbin/getty. Does anyone knwo what that means?? |
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| 22:07.59 | toxygen | i remember me using talk first time some 12-13 years ago, no ytalk that time |
| 22:08.13 | abrotman | toxygen: i thought there was a tls enabled talkd replacement, but i don't see it now |
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| 22:08.16 | toxygen | zsakr: and what's the problem |
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| 22:08.28 | toxygen | abrotman: well, that's what i had in mind |
| 22:08.32 | gpr | zsakr: safe-upgrade is for regular updates, full-upgrade is for upgrading to new version, in short |
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| 22:08.46 | Fah | At0x0: yeah, add a dns entry for the mail host. |
| 22:08.53 | abrotman | corinth: so if you `ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0` .. do you get any errors ? |
| 22:09.12 | adama | http://overdrive.polarcom.com/Screenshot-bonnefoy.png ...I think I've lost my file associations. This has also happened for .desktop files, .drive files, ... how to get them back?? |
| 22:09.16 | Fah | At0x0: when you connect to other smtp hosts, they're just going to try and resolve your ip as well. might as well get it all set up correctly |
| 22:09.39 | zsakr | I had a few packets that didn't want to upgrade |
| 22:09.44 | zsakr | that were holdback |
| 22:09.49 | Fah | At0x0: or ditch sendmail and use a more reasonable mta |
| 22:09.54 | At0x0 | Fah, Well, i'm just doing this on my local machine to test something. I won't actually be sending emails. Shouldn't it be using /etc/hosts to look up the domain instead of going to the DNS? |
| 22:10.03 | zsakr | cpp-3.4 gcc-3.4 gcc-3.4-base libapache-mod-php5{a} php-pear php5-common php5-mcrypt php5-odbc php5-sybase |
| 22:10.12 | zsakr | any idea on why they were holdback ? |
| 22:10.22 | gpr | zsakr: full-upgrade usually fixes that |
| 22:10.23 | At0x0 | Fah, or what else would you suggest? All I've ever used is sendmail |
| 22:10.29 | Fah | At0x0: you'd think that, but gethostbyname and how they want name look ups to work is going to bite |
| 22:10.35 | toxygen | zsakr: did you use aptitude? |
| 22:10.44 | zsakr | yea but why would thet be holdback? |
| 22:10.49 | Fah | At0x0: i use postfix, but exim is simple, easy and fast too |
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| 22:10.57 | toxygen | zsakr: it was aptitude policy to allow smooth upgrade |
| 22:10.57 | cirzgamanti | is it normal that yesterday, 'apt-get upgrade' had 0 packages, now it has 205? :) |
| 22:10.57 | gpr | zsakr: it means that additional packages might be installed, not just upgrading existing |
| 22:11.06 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: yes, 5.0 is out :) |
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| 22:11.08 | At0x0 | Fah, I don't think I can add DNS entries to our DNS server. |
| 22:11.26 | cirzgamanti | toxygen: so what does that mean for the new testing? |
| 22:11.26 | pl4yer0ne | mornin all |
| 22:11.46 | Fah | At0x0: if this isn't an actual honest to god mail server, I'd probably give exim a shot first. Sendmail is... probably the most irritating mta I know of IMO |
| 22:11.48 | toxygen | zsakr: in aptitude you should see them in obsolete and local created packages, right? |
| 22:11.53 | cirzgamanti | is it like a bunch of packages from unstable will be moved to testing now? |
| 22:11.59 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: new testing is yesterday's unstable |
| 22:12.00 | zsakr | I already rana full upgrade and got those afterwards |
| 22:12.05 | At0x0 | Fah, Ok. |
| 22:12.18 | toxygen | zsakr: they were superseeded |
| 22:12.36 | toxygen | zsakr: that's the only thing that bothers you? why there were held back? just upgrade policy... |
| 22:12.45 | cirzgamanti | toxygen: is it wise to do an upgrade now? it looks like it wants to install kde4 and stuff. what are the odds that stuff will break? |
| 22:13.01 | zsakr | yea but I want to know why |
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| 22:13.31 | Fah | At0x0: you aren't alone with this issue. http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2008-09/msg01472.html i'm not defending it, I just know its a show stopper |
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| 22:13.43 | corinth | abrotman: Things that sort of look like error messages: wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
| 22:13.56 | abrotman | corinth: might want to double check your key and ssid |
| 22:13.59 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: what are you using now in sources.list, stable or tething? |
| 22:14.03 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: *testing |
| 22:14.10 | cirzgamanti | testing |
| 22:14.10 | abrotman | corinth: alternately, ask #madwifi .. maybe i'm missing something |
| 22:14.13 | At0x0 | Fah, Like you said, it's just for testing. I don't want to spend a hours and hours on this. I'll try exim. |
| 22:14.18 | corinth | abrotman: I'm positive that they're correct. |
| 22:14.25 | josh_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.30 | cirzgamanti | i replaced lenny with testing and did a small upgrade yesterday. |
| 22:14.40 | abrotman | corinth: what i gave you was all i've ever used for my wep stuff |
| 22:14.53 | cirzgamanti | toxygen: dvorak keyboard? :) |
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| 22:15.03 | toxygen | zsakr: i guess you would find answer in dev mailing list |
| 22:15.06 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: yes sir |
| 22:15.06 | corinth | abrotman: Thanks for the effort, abrotman. I apprecitae it, regardless. |
| 22:15.16 | abrotman | corinth: try #madwifi or #wireless .. |
| 22:15.17 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: didn't expect anyone to notice :) |
| 22:15.27 | cirzgamanti | takes one to spot one ;) |
| 22:15.33 | abrotman | corinth: i'm sure it's something silly that has been missed |
| 22:15.52 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: =] |
| 22:16.05 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: nice spot then :) |
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| 22:17.34 | iaindalton | Why does install-info's manual say --maxwidth is deprecated? It doesn't give an alternative and doesn't mention a config file. |
| 22:17.51 | gpr | zsakr: what happens when you manualy install, say aptitude install libapache-php, it wili spit out what is the problem, do you still have testing in sources.list? |
| 22:17.52 | cirzgamanti | so when i hit "Y" now and upgrade the 205 packages, i will probably have a non-broken system? ;) |
| 22:18.57 | josh_ | does anyone know anything about INIT in here? |
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| 22:19.15 | Fah | josh_: init the process? |
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| 22:19.49 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: well, you want lenny or new testing? |
| 22:19.56 | josh_ | yeah i get an Init: cannot exsecute /sbin/getty on bootup |
| 22:20.05 | Fah | ouch |
| 22:20.18 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: if you want lenny, replace testing with stable and do update |
| 22:20.18 | Fah | getty is the process that gives you terminals to login as |
| 22:20.28 | Fah | its specified in /etc/inittab |
| 22:20.29 | cirzgamanti | toxygen: never mind, i couldn't resist ;) |
| 22:20.31 | abrotman | josh_: on which version of debian ? |
| 22:20.35 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: lol, ok :) |
| 22:20.45 | josh_ | yeah it just keep repeating that over and over. I've check the permissino and their right, i've also replaced it using a backup i made before : DEBian Lenny |
| 22:20.56 | cirzgamanti | i prefer testing, if it works ;) |
| 22:21.07 | Fah | if you want to bypass init, pass the kernel the init=/bin/bash argument and it'll boot you right into a shell so you can look around |
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| 22:21.24 | Fah | that way you can double check that what inittab points to exists and is bootable |
| 22:21.33 | Fah | you're sure the root device is set correctly? |
| 22:21.54 | josh_ | like in fstab? |
| 22:21.59 | pl4yer0ne | if you use grub you can edit the boot options before booting too |
| 22:22.14 | pl4yer0ne | so you can change root device etc |
| 22:22.15 | Fah | what boot loader are you using? |
| 22:22.21 | josh_ | yeah i use grub |
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| 22:23.43 | josh_ | what should i look for once it is booted? |
| 22:23.47 | Fah | double check the boot options. if it looks right, append init=/bin/bash and boot into a shell. do an ls -l on /sbin/getty. It should exist, etc |
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| 22:24.29 | josh_ | welli 'm runnign a live session with ubuntu so i can check what i want as far as files are concerned now. |
| 22:24.34 | Fah | if you look at /etc/inittab make sure that the paths to getty are valid. if you boot up and ls -l / doesn't look right, you probably have the wrong partition set as root in the boot loader |
| 22:25.03 | Fah | oh, if you mount / you have a /sbin/getty right? and thats what /etc/inittab points to right? |
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| 22:26.28 | cirzgamanti | hm, looks like kde4 is being kept back anyways... |
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| 22:27.51 | krolyx | Bonsoir |
| 22:28.03 | toxygen | cirzgamanti: right, 3.5.5 in testing |
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| 22:28.31 | josh_ | is 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 normal? |
| 22:28.46 | josh_ | the others say just 23 not 2345 |
| 22:28.47 | krolyx | quelqu'un aurais une bonne adresse debian pour les nul svp |
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| 22:28.57 | Fah | yes |
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| 22:29.04 | josh_ | hmm |
| 22:29.04 | Fah | thats what mine says too |
| 22:29.27 | josh_ | well it's pointing to the right place. |
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| 22:29.54 | hkais1 | hello |
| 22:30.05 | krolyx | hi |
| 22:30.10 | josh_ | do these permission look right? -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 15104 2007-10-03 04:48 getty |
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| 22:30.25 | hkais1 | is there an generic url file handler in debian (kde/gnome) to open any file? |
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| 22:30.59 | phrack23 | josh_: yes |
| 22:31.06 | josh_ | thanks |
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| 22:32.49 | toolz | hi, I have just installed debian 4.0 on a machine and internet does not work on it |
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| 22:33.05 | toxygen | toolz: life sucks |
| 22:33.16 | format_c | toolz, I guess internet can not work on one machine |
| 22:33.18 | format_c | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.21 | toolz | I have it plugged into a switch everything is configured correctly it even downloaded from net everything it needed, I did a netinstall |
| 22:33.22 | josh_ | what else could be the problem? |
| 22:33.29 | toolz | but when it starts internet does not work |
| 22:33.39 | toolz | other computers plugged into the same switch work fine |
| 22:33.40 | toxygen | toolz: and 5.0 is out already |
| 22:33.55 | toxygen | toolz: try to run dhclient |
| 22:33.55 | toolz | cool |
| 22:34.15 | josh_ | is thebootup process logged? I watn to knwo what it says befoer i get the getty error, maybe that could shred some light on things |
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| 22:34.58 | toolz | toxygen its not a dhcp setup network |
| 22:35.26 | toolz | I manually config networks its a freebsd server acting as a network gateway for all other servers |
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| 22:35.35 | toolz | but works fine on other computers |
| 22:35.39 | toolz | only on this one itsnt |
| 22:36.00 | zErOaCid | i was trying to update debian etch but i' getting this error: W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 22:36.00 | zErOaCid | 4D270D06F42584E6 |
| 22:36.22 | toolz | and I have no idea why.. everything looks fine it just does not work, I can ping lan servers but I cant ping out of the lan |
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| 22:36.37 | phrack23 | toolz: can you ping an ip like 74.125.45.100 ? |
| 22:36.45 | toolz | no |
| 22:36.53 | toolz | I cant ping anything outside the lan |
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| 22:37.11 | ChrisW | what iso should i burn if I need a rescue cd? |
| 22:37.13 | phrack23 | does route -n show your router as gateway? |
| 22:37.15 | format_c | zErOaCid, go on |
| 22:37.31 | toolz | phrack23 when I installed the setup by itself found the correct gateway |
| 22:37.32 | ChrisW | and when I use it, what option do I go for to recover a screwed up etch -> lenny upgrade? |
| 22:37.37 | abrotman | !apt-key F42584E6 |
| 22:37.37 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys F42584E6 ; gpg --export F42584E6 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 22:37.44 | toolz | as I said it even downloaded and installed everything as I ran netinstall |
| 22:37.52 | toolz | but when it starts net is not working |
| 22:37.54 | toxygen | zErOaCid: well, 3 ways to solve this |
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| 22:38.17 | toolz | routing table looks empty |
| 22:38.26 | toolz | hmm? |
| 22:38.34 | phrack23 | route add default gw 1.2.3.4 |
| 22:38.42 | phrack23 | with your routers ip |
| 22:39.09 | zErOaCid | lemme try what dpkg is giving |
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| 22:39.26 | Stanlin | yellow |
| 22:39.37 | Stanlin | what is the name of the new debian testing? |
| 22:39.47 | eathprod | Hello, I was looking for keepassx, opera and some more, but seems like apt-get cant find anything on Debian 5 amd-64 |
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| 22:40.15 | Kohlrabi | Stanlin: Squeeze |
| 22:40.15 | eathprod | I need som more files in sources list? |
| 22:40.19 | abrotman | eathprod: opera isn't in debian, get it from opera.com |
| 22:40.47 | Kohlrabi | eathprod: Opera ist just free-as-in-beer |
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| 22:41.10 | abrotman | that's not it .. they don't allow redistribution and/or modification |
| 22:41.18 | eathprod | yes, but it doesent seem to find anything |
| 22:41.29 | toolz | yeah well gateway shows now on routing table but nowthing |
| 22:41.31 | toolz | nowthing |
| 22:41.34 | toolz | nothing* |
| 22:41.34 | toolz | blah |
| 22:42.00 | phrack23 | toolz: do you have more than 1 nic? |
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| 22:42.09 | zErOaCid | i got an error : http://pastebin.ca/1339422 |
| 22:42.10 | toolz | on this computet nope |
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| 22:42.49 | phrack23 | toolz: try to ping the ip again |
| 22:43.20 | zErOaCid | should i just change stable to etch on my source.list ? |
| 22:43.21 | josh_ | does init log errors? |
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| 22:43.31 | dzup | zErOaCid: apt-get install sudo |
| 22:43.50 | abrotman | zErOaCid: you don't have to install sudo |
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| 22:43.53 | helo | something odd is happening to my machine... i cannot run top, or vi a file... but i can ls, cat, etc... |
| 22:43.57 | ferret_0567 | how do I build a cross-compiler for x86_64 on an x86 on Debian? |
| 22:43.58 | abrotman | zErOaCid: just remove 'sudo' from the command |
| 22:44.01 | helo | i can log in |
| 22:44.12 | dkr | helo: what happens when you try? |
| 22:44.20 | Stanlin | help, ive just changed 'lenny' for 'Squeeze' but now apt-get update throws errors |
| 22:44.30 | zErOaCid | abrotman, ok |
| 22:44.43 | ferret_0567 | Stanlin: just use testing |
| 22:44.44 | abrotman | Stanlin: maybe if you don't know how to fix it, you shouldn't be doing that |
| 22:44.45 | helo | dkr: the command prompt returns to the next line, and i wait indefinitely |
| 22:44.50 | abrotman | ferret_0567: no do not tell him that |
| 22:44.54 | helo | cat /proc/loadavg shows all 0's |
| 22:44.56 | ferret_0567 | abrotman: why not? |
| 22:45.07 | helo | cat /proc/meminfo shows plenty of free ram |
| 22:45.09 | abrotman | ferret_0567: he can't make sources.list work .. and you want him perpetually on testing ? |
| 22:45.15 | toxygen | Stanlin: i would suggest using stable or testing keywords |
| 22:45.20 | abrotman | i wouldn't |
| 22:45.24 | ferret_0567 | abrotman: testing will be squeeze in a couple of weeks |
| 22:45.28 | helo | the entire machine just slowly starts to become less and less responsive |
| 22:45.29 | abrotman | ferret_0567: you're missing hte point |
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| 22:45.50 | helo | my hard drives seem to be ok as far as smartctl is concerned |
| 22:45.52 | abrotman | ferret_0567: stanlin is NOT capable of figuring out how to make his sources.list work .. but he should be using a development version ? |
| 22:46.08 | ferret_0567 | abrotman: oh, I see... |
| 22:46.15 | helo | maybe i have too many open files... |
| 22:46.18 | dkr | helo: after running top and it exiting like that, run: echo $? to see what the return code from the program was. oh and run dmesg to look for system errors |
| 22:46.21 | toxygen | helo: free -m |
| 22:46.28 | toxygen | helo: what does it show? |
| 22:46.31 | ferret_0567 | abrotman: well, I need a cross compiler |
| 22:46.31 | helo | 1617 free |
| 22:46.39 | zErOaCid | abrotman, with these packages that has been kept back when doing aptitude updrade, it will be upgraded when i do dist-upgrade? |
| 22:46.46 | ferret_0567 | is there any way to get one on Debian? |
| 22:46.56 | toxygen | helo: run atop and watch for bottlenecks |
| 22:46.56 | ferret_0567 | I want to use distcc here |
| 22:46.58 | abrotman | zErOaCid: i'd have to see your sources.list and the output of the error |
| 22:47.09 | abrotman | ferret_0567: i'm sure google has links .. |
| 22:48.26 | zErOaCid | abrotman, there's no error when i remove the 'sudo', i just did the aptitude upgrade |
| 22:48.26 | helo | dmesg shows some "mtrr: base(0xe0000000) is not aligned on a size(0x0000) boundary" messages |
| 22:48.27 | abrotman | zErOaCid: i know .. |
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| 22:49.07 | cirzgamanti | i did apt-get install kde4 (new testing), it complains about unmet deps for kdeedu and kstars (i won't use them now). these are blocking other apt-get operation now, what should i do? i tried apt-get remove kdeedu etc. which doesn't work. |
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| 22:51.42 | zErOaCid | abrotman, my sourcelist: http://pastebin.ca/1339433 |
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| 22:51.55 | cirzgamanti | hm, looks like i accidentally solved this problem... |
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| 22:53.44 | zmitya | hi all |
| 22:54.09 | zmitya | guys, I'm struggling to setup a chroot-ed sftp account with scponly on an etch :( |
| 22:54.16 | zmitya | please check this: http://paste.debian.net/28513/ |
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| 22:55.08 | abrotman | zErOaCid: you know that debian released a new stable over the weekend right ? |
| 22:55.20 | s3a | how do you make iceweasel ask to restore windows or open new window on startup because right now it automatically restores windows and i dont like that |
| 22:55.20 | zErOaCid | yep yep |
| 22:55.38 | zErOaCid | should i just change it back to etch? instead of stable ? |
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| 22:55.51 | cirzgamanti | i still don't really understand the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade. |
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| 22:56.06 | abrotman | zErOaCid: depends if you want etch or lenny .. but it sounds like you're alreeady halfway to lenny |
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| 22:56.13 | abrotman | cirzgamanti: man aptitude |
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| 22:56.27 | eathprod | apt-get update |
| 22:56.28 | zErOaCid | abrotman, alright thanks |
| 22:56.46 | cloudsynth | ...so what's debian 6.0 called? |
| 22:56.53 | eathprod | sry, wrong text window |
| 22:57.05 | dondelelcaro | cloudsynth: squeeze |
| 22:57.27 | cloudsynth | dondelelcaro: 0.0 there was a character named squeeze in toy story? |
| 22:57.43 | cirzgamanti | abrotman: thx |
| 22:57.55 | Kurogane | Hola, alguien me puede ayudar con un problema a instalar un kvm lo que sucede es que cuando lo corro el programa me dice que "Error: zlib check failed. Make sure to have the zlib libs and headers installed." ya le instale el zlib y el linux kernel y nada siempre el mismo error :\ |
| 22:58.19 | Joelito | Hi all how can I setup my webcam, this is my lsusb output => http://rafb.net/p/PqYHcM18.html |
| 22:58.39 | Joelito | Kurogane => #debian-es |
| 22:58.39 | s3a | does anyone here experience severe buggyness with compiz in lenny? |
| 22:59.10 | Kurogane | omg sorry i saw this a debian-es my bad |
| 22:59.13 | Kurogane | ;) |
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| 22:59.18 | dondelelcaro | cloudsynth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Squeeze_Toy_Aliens5~ |
| 22:59.30 | dondelelcaro | well, without the 5~ |
| 22:59.39 | cloudsynth | thanks.. :) |
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| 22:59.59 | Stanlin | toxygen , same problem with 'testing' |
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| 23:01.04 | Tempus_Fugit | hello all |
| 23:01.09 | abrotman | Stanlin: change it back to 'lenny' |
| 23:01.10 | Joelito | anyone help about installing webcams in debian 5.0? |
| 23:01.20 | Tempus_Fugit | hey abrot was up |
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| 23:01.42 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:01.52 | Tempus_Fugit | so i installed the new release yesterday |
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| 23:02.12 | _2 | who do i need to talk to about a vidio driver issue ? |
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| 23:02.16 | toxygen | Stanlin: what error? |
| 23:02.20 | simzee | Hello! Is there anyone out there, who can possibly help me with a problem about getting a 32bit application like Second Life to work on a 64bit debian distribution? |
| 23:02.20 | abrotman | _2: just ask |
| 23:02.21 | Tempus_Fugit | and on install it could not find my network card which is wireless |
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| 23:02.29 | abrotman | simzee: 32bit chroot |
| 23:02.37 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: we'd need to know which wifi card it is |
| 23:02.40 | Stanlin | abrotman: how to move from lenny to squiezil |
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| 23:02.52 | Tempus_Fugit | ok let me get my laptop brb |
| 23:03.01 | abrotman | Stanlin: change it back to 'lenny' |
| 23:03.17 | _2 | abrotman ok. |
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| 23:03.58 | simzee | abrotman: Could you give me a more exact command, that I can try please? :) |
| 23:04.17 | Tempus_Fugit | im gonna get into windows device manager and it shoulld tell me what the wireless card is |
| 23:04.37 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.39 | abrotman | simzee: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 |
| 23:04.48 | Stanlin | abrotman: its back, works fine, but now how to move to squizel |
| 23:05.02 | simzee | abrotman: thanks a bunch! |
| 23:05.10 | abrotman | Stanlin: i don't think you're technically capable of running squeeze and have no desire to help you create problems for yourself |
| 23:06.14 | Stanlin | abrotman: im doing my best please |
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| 23:06.21 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.26 | toxygen | why do you want testing in first place? |
| 23:06.32 | s3a | simzee, if it's a .deb file, then cd to directory then dpkg -i --force-architecture filename.deb |
| 23:06.53 | toxygen | Stanlin: that was question for you? |
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| 23:07.25 | damjan | Does anyone know if IO scheduling class and priority are inherited by children of a parent? |
| 23:07.32 | Stanlin | toxygen: how to move from lenny to testing |
| 23:07.33 | Tempus_Fugit | ok my wireless card is a atheros AR5009 802.11 a/g/n wifi adapter any way to get the new 5.0 to recognize it |
| 23:07.34 | abrotman | _2: which driver are you currently using ? |
| 23:07.41 | toxygen | Stanlin: why do you want testing? |
| 23:07.44 | _2 | abrotman radeon |
| 23:07.51 | ubuntuxer | http://delicious.com/loploplop |
| 23:07.51 | damjan | my idea is to set crond with a smaller priority so updatedb and stuff run with smaller priority |
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| 23:07.57 | nightglider28 | Tempus_Fugit: Have you installed the madwifi drivers? |
| 23:07.59 | Stanlin | toxygen: i used testing all my life, i use debian 10 years |
| 23:08.05 | abrotman | you have not |
| 23:08.07 | themill | Stanlin: for the next few months, testing is not going to be a good place to be unless you can handle problems. If you can't work out how to do this yourself, then you're not going to be able to solve these problems. |
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| 23:08.17 | nightglider28 | Tempus_Fugit: Or do you know if it's supported by the ath5k driver? |
| 23:08.26 | _2 | ? |
| 23:08.30 | Tempus_Fugit | no nightglider i have not do you know where i can find them |
| 23:08.34 | toxygen | Stanlin: ok, get some sleep and think it over |
| 23:08.37 | Tempus_Fugit | or are they on one of the disks |
| 23:08.46 | abrotman | _2: same thing happen with the vesa driver ? |
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| 23:08.54 | nightglider28 | !ath5k |
| 23:08.54 | dpkg | methinks ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx wireless LAN chipsets. It is a new driver under heavy development. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k and http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/About/ath5k for more information. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See also <wireless tree>. |
| 23:09.20 | _2 | abrotman how can i make it use the vesa driver ? |
| 23:09.21 | nightglider28 | Tempus_Fugit: The upside is that it's in the debian kernel. The downside is that I've heard it's unstable on Debian. |
| 23:09.22 | Tempus_Fugit | k ty |
| 23:09.38 | abrotman | i'm not sure that's an ath5k device |
| 23:09.44 | nightglider28 | Have you used this card with Etch or is this a new card? |
| 23:09.49 | nsadmin | how stable is that driver? how good is atheros 5k chipset? |
| 23:09.49 | nightglider28 | abrotman: I'm doubting it, too. |
| 23:09.53 | Tempus_Fugit | this is a new laptop |
| 23:10.01 | Stanlin | downloadig testing iso |
| 23:10.06 | Tempus_Fugit | it came with windhoes vista |
| 23:10.08 | Tempus_Fugit | grrr |
| 23:10.11 | _2 | abrotman is there a way to build an xorg.conf without writing it by hand ? |
| 23:10.12 | Tempus_Fugit | 32bit btw |
| 23:10.13 | themill | Stanlin: no such thing. Have fun with that. |
| 23:10.17 | abrotman | doesn't seem to be a 9k either |
| 23:10.21 | abrotman | _2: X -configure |
| 23:10.29 | ferret_0567 | thinks he won't have a problem with this upgrade to sqeeze |
| 23:10.33 | ferret_0567 | squeeze* |
| 23:10.41 | ubuntuxer | http://delicious.com/loploplop |
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| 23:10.54 | ferret_0567 | Tempus_Fugit: is it a 64-bit processor though? |
| 23:11.10 | Tempus_Fugit | let me see |
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| 23:11.21 | toxygen | Tempus_Fugit: uname -m |
| 23:11.22 | nightglider28 | wtf happened to the madwifi website? |
| 23:11.28 | abrotman | it changed color |
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| 23:11.50 | nightglider28 | And design. |
| 23:11.56 | nightglider28 | It used to be much more professional. |
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| 23:13.00 | nightglider28 | Actually, I could probably recite the steps do installing madwifi. :/ |
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| 23:13.43 | Tempus_Fugit | yer saying to find out the bit rate of the processor is uname -m |
| 23:13.46 | Tempus_Fugit | ??? |
| 23:14.00 | ferret_0567 | Tempus_Fugit: no, the processor type |
| 23:14.01 | toxygen | Tempus_Fugit: no, but of the mode you are in |
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| 23:14.09 | ferret_0567 | Tempus_Fugit: what does uname -m say? |
| 23:14.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | nightglider28, any way from preventing to do so here and now? |
| 23:14.11 | Tempus_Fugit | its an intel pentium dual core T4200 2.0 ghz |
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| 23:14.21 | toxygen | Tempus_Fugit: it's 64bit then |
| 23:14.23 | ferret_0567 | Tempus_Fugit: no, toxygen is right |
| 23:14.24 | nightglider28 | CutMeOwnThroat: Uncertainty. |
| 23:14.35 | ferret_0567 | Tempus_Fugit: try uname -m |
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| 23:14.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | throws a lump of uncertainty at nightglider28 |
| 23:14.42 | ferret_0567 | Tempus_Fugit: you might be running a 32-bit OS |
| 23:14.46 | Tempus_Fugit | ok this is dual boot |
| 23:14.53 | maximus_ | I'm getting the cryptic "failed to determine codename for release" |
| 23:15.04 | Tempus_Fugit | yes this version of vista is 32 bit |
| 23:15.09 | nightglider28 | Oh, you *wanted* to stop me from doing it. |
| 23:15.13 | rdz | hi all. this might not debian-only related, but where can i download ppd files for printers? i once stumbled across a big repository, but cannot find it anymore |
| 23:15.14 | ferret_0567 | Tempus_Fugit: what about Linux? |
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| 23:15.21 | thesnark | Why is it that no software ever seems to get updated? Could my repository settings be bad? I know somebody with ubuntu who can apt-get the newest version of what was iceweasel where mine is horribly out of date! Help please |
| 23:15.24 | Tempus_Fugit | let me reboot |
| 23:15.25 | maximus_ | where is this defined? I'm trying to install off a FAT partition and this was the FIRST time unetbootin has failed me |
| 23:15.25 | _2 | abrotman i used X -configure to generate an xorg.conf put it in /etc/X11/ and edited it --driver "radeon" -to- driver "vesa" # "radeon" startx runs but xorg doesn't start or the display is never affected by it... |
| 23:15.26 | ferret_0567 | Tempus_Fugit: is it 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 23:15.28 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: can you get the device string from the vista device manager? |
| 23:15.33 | Tempus_Fugit | and boot into the debian partition |
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| 23:15.39 | ferret_0567 | Tempus_Fugit: you should have been told when you downloaded Debian |
| 23:15.44 | abrotman | _2: you'd have to check the X log |
| 23:15.44 | Tempus_Fugit | yes i can |
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| 23:15.53 | themill | dpkg: tell thesnark about stable |
| 23:16.04 | maximus_ | does anyone at all know where the codename is defined? |
| 23:16.15 | Tempus_Fugit | which device string would you like abrotman |
| 23:16.16 | _2 | abrotman for ? |
| 23:16.16 | ferret_0567 | Tempus_Fugit: if it's not 64-bit, then I think you might be happier with 64-bit Debian GNU/Linux |
| 23:16.21 | Tempus_Fugit | for the atheros? |
| 23:16.24 | maximus_ | for debian-installer |
| 23:16.27 | nsadmin | thesnark debian goes not for "new" but for "stable and time spent testing" |
| 23:16.28 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: for the wifi |
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| 23:16.36 | Tempus_Fugit | ok 1 sec |
| 23:16.39 | abrotman | _2: for crash items |
| 23:16.40 | amphi | Tempus_Fugit: 'grep lm /proc/cpuinfo' will tell you if your cpu is 64bit |
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| 23:17.06 | thesnark | Oh shit! I didn't even notice there was a new stable version of debian! |
| 23:17.12 | thesnark | O_O |
| 23:17.19 | thesnark | is still on etch |
| 23:17.20 | goauld | neither did i till yesterday |
| 23:17.21 | amphi | heh |
| 23:17.25 | ferret_0567 | amphi: lm means long mode? |
| 23:17.31 | goauld | where is the promised KDE 4 ??? |
| 23:17.33 | _2 | abrotman it doesn't "crash" it just doesn't display anything |
| 23:17.37 | goauld | damn lazy devs |
| 23:17.40 | amphi | ferret_0567: something like that, if I recall correctly |
| 23:17.40 | nsadmin | thesnark yeah yeah, lenny's stable |
| 23:17.46 | goauld | i want KDE4 |
| 23:17.50 | nkuttler | goauld: where was it promised? |
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| 23:17.55 | thesnark | goauld so install it :-) |
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| 23:17.59 | themill | dpkg: tell goauld about kde4 |
| 23:18.00 | goauld | i saw it on the internet.... |
| 23:18.03 | abrotman | _2: check the X log |
| 23:18.05 | nkuttler | oh wow |
| 23:18.10 | _2 | abrotman i can ^C the console running startx and it returns to the shell prompt |
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| 23:18.25 | _2 | abrotman looking for what ? |
| 23:18.25 | _2 | http://pastebin.com/f6d5e81b2 |
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| 23:18.48 | ferret_0567 | which version of Debian has KDE 4.2? |
| 23:18.52 | abrotman | none |
| 23:18.53 | Tempus_Fugit | ok abrotman not sure if this is what you need but here goes......values are as follows: mem range D2600000- D260FFF |
| 23:18.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | goauld, well, you can have a share of the million pounds I won last week - they picked my email from the internet and I won! |
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| 23:18.57 | ravil | hi all |
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| 23:19.12 | ferret_0567 | abrotman: LOL! I know of 3 distros that have it |
| 23:19.21 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: not that at all .. it would say like PCI_VENDOR=24f2&PCI_SUBID=245d .. or some crap |
| 23:19.21 | themill | ferret_0567: which of them are debian? |
| 23:19.25 | abrotman | ferret_0567: and so what? |
| 23:19.32 | Tempus_Fugit | IRQ 0x00000011 (17) |
| 23:19.37 | themill | dpkg: tell ferret_0567 about kde4 |
| 23:19.38 | Tempus_Fugit | ok let me see |
| 23:20.30 | thesnark | This is my first time updating a distro...if I download a debian DVD of lenny can I just put it in a tell it to update? |
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| 23:20.46 | themill | thesnark: please read the release notes. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 23:20.58 | Stanlin | are you saying that testing is death? |
| 23:21.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 23:21.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | untreated tuberculosis is death... dunno about testing |
| 23:21.48 | amphi | Stanlin: testing is squeeze |
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| 23:22.01 | Tempus_Fugit | 1 sec i can get you any value you desire just a matter of filtering thru the info |
| 23:22.14 | maximus_ | how am I expected to get access to ifconfig/iwconfig while installing? |
| 23:22.27 | themill | Stanlin: I'm saying that if you can't work out how to upgrade your machine to testing on your own, then you won't have the ability to unbreak your machine when it needs unbreaking. And for the most part, we're not going to be very interested in helping you. We have stable releases that are designed to be not broken and suited to a wider audience. |
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| 23:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tempus_Fugit, ooo... how about the values of those little balls they'll draw on the next lotto drawing? |
| 23:22.41 | _2 | maximus_ alt+f2 ? |
| 23:22.51 | maximus_ | _2: yep, now where's the /binary/ |
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| 23:23.21 | maximus_ | or are we expected to supply our own networking tools? |
| 23:23.26 | Tempus_Fugit | lol cut |
| 23:23.47 | Tempus_Fugit | if i had those values i would be a full time student |
| 23:23.52 | _2 | maximus_ i only have an etch install cd, can't answer |
| 23:23.53 | nsadmin | the installer should be able to start networking if the hardware is supported |
| 23:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tempus_Fugit, well, you SAID " i can get you any value you desire just a matter of filtering thru the info" |
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| 23:24.17 | Vasistha | maximus_: there should be additional terminals available just press alt+f2 |
| 23:24.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | maximus_, /sbin/, as usual? |
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| 23:25.29 | maximus_ | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, not in /sbin/, as usual |
| 23:25.33 | Vasistha | maximus_: although you do have to wait until after a certain point in the installation process before those tools are available. |
| 23:25.34 | maximus_ | it's a busybox session |
| 23:25.41 | maximus_ | Vasistha: exactly |
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| 23:25.51 | maximus_ | Vasistha: how can I skip, as in say I don't want to set up the network |
| 23:26.08 | scgtrp | what's the correct way to force a network interface to reconnect? |
| 23:26.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo /*/iwconfig /*/*/iwconfig /*/*/*/iwconfig might be of assistance |
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| 23:26.08 | Vasistha | maximus_: well that should be very easy, there's a cancel option or soemthing |
| 23:26.08 | scgtrp | (wired ethernet on a pcmcia card) |
| 23:26.21 | maximus_ | Vasistha: yup, sure is |
| 23:26.28 | _2 | maximus_ so run the section of the installation which inserts modules finds and mounts the cd |
| 23:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | maximus_, ^^^ |
| 23:26.38 | maximus_ | Vasistha: only, when i get to a certain point, it says "Failed to determine the codename for the release" |
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| 23:27.07 | maximus_ | yeah, I've already done find | grep ifconfig. null response |
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| 23:27.14 | Vasistha | scgtrp: well it depends how you are connecting to the network. You might be using the default setup with /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/ifdown/ifconfig, or you might be using NetworkManager, or wicd |
| 23:27.28 | scgtrp | um... whatever the default is |
| 23:27.32 | _2 | abrotman any thoughts ? |
| 23:27.47 | scgtrp | i pulled the card out and put it back in, which worked, but seems like the wrong way to do it |
| 23:27.53 | maximus_ | Vasistha: any ideas? is there some way to "force" an install from the disk alone |
| 23:28.02 | Tempus_Fugit | ok abrotman in windows device manager its under hardware IDs and there is a few of them: PCI\VEN_168C&DEV_002A&SUBSYS_1381103C&REV_01 |
| 23:28.20 | maximus_ | as in a pure debootstrap command-line? |
| 23:28.21 | Vasistha | scgtrp: so you haven't installed NM or wicd, ok great. It's true you probably don't want to pull/reinsert pcmcia cards without first running pccardctl eject |
| 23:28.27 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: yay! |
| 23:28.38 | Vasistha | maximus_: oh I do that frequently, I just pull the cable :) |
| 23:28.48 | Tempus_Fugit | theres more you want all of them |
| 23:28.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tempus_Fugit, well, whenever you filtered these lotto values out, feel free to contact me (as long as they're for a drawing that han't happened yet... afterwards don't bother) :) |
| 23:29.00 | scgtrp | Vasistha, well, i was hoping to not have to pull it at all. i just want to force a reconnect in software |
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| 23:29.09 | Tempus_Fugit | lol cut |
| 23:29.11 | Vasistha | maximus_: and when it gets to auto-configuring the network I say skip ... you are using the netinst cd which is about 150 MB right? |
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| 23:29.31 | maximus_ | Vasistha: no, how do I avoid that error message which I specified before |
| 23:29.31 | Vasistha | scgtrp: is it connected or disconnected right now? |
| 23:29.40 | maximus_ | Vasistha: no, I'm not, I'm using the DVD installer, Disc 1 |
| 23:29.45 | maximus_ | Vasistha: only, when i get to a certain point, it says "Failed to determine the codename for the release" |
| 23:29.47 | scgtrp | Vasistha, it's connected now |
| 23:29.53 | Vasistha | maximus_: well I can't say that I know, I've never seen that error, it's rather odd, really :P |
| 23:29.57 | scgtrp | but was disconnected when i wanted to do it |
| 23:30.08 | scgtrp | (hence how i knew about pulling it working) |
| 23:30.11 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: i don't see it |
| 23:30.14 | Vasistha | scgtrp: ok that makes it easier, because we only need to find this info once (probably) |
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| 23:30.39 | Vasistha | scgtrp: run /sbin/ifconfig and you can pastebin the output or we can just discuss it |
| 23:30.46 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: i'd guess it would be ath5k if the lenny kernel supported it |
| 23:30.53 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.01 | Tempus_Fugit | heres another abrotman PCI\VEN_168C&DEV_002A&CC_028000 |
| 23:31.07 | nsadmin | what is the lenny kernel? |
| 23:31.10 | Vasistha | maximus_: you're using the official release dvd, or a beta, or...? |
| 23:31.10 | maximus_ | Vasistha: no, it's not really weird, it's just not solvable :P |
| 23:31.14 | Vasistha | nsadmin: 2.6.26 |
| 23:31.15 | olejorgenb | I'm a bit confused.. squeeze is the new testing, but what is sid now? still unstable? |
| 23:31.18 | maximus_ | Vasistha: debian 5.0 dvd 1 |
| 23:31.22 | azeem | olejorgenb: yes |
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| 23:31.29 | olejorgenb | azeem: ok, thanks |
| 23:31.30 | Vasistha | olejorgenb: you got it |
| 23:31.33 | maximus_ | what's the debootstrap command that'll work without a mirror, then |
| 23:31.35 | Tempus_Fugit | THERE ARE 4 VALUES IN HERE |
| 23:31.40 | Tempus_Fugit | oops sorry caps |
| 23:31.41 | amphi | maximus_: sid is always unstable |
| 23:31.41 | Vasistha | !tell olejorgenb about sid |
| 23:31.49 | olejorgenb | ah |
| 23:31.53 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: same thing .. |
| 23:31.57 | Cope57 | sid will always be unstable. The kid im Toy Story will never be all there... ;) |
| 23:32.02 | Tempus_Fugit | close |
| 23:32.21 | Tempus_Fugit | all of them are just shorter versions of the top one which is the one i gave you |
| 23:32.28 | gpm | hey guys. i have sshd installed and can connect to it on other machines connected to my router, however if i try to connect using my external ip address, it doesn't connect. the port is forwarded to my local ip. any clues? if it matters, the server is connected wirelessly to the router. |
| 23:32.57 | jamon | gpm: wireless usually uses dhcp unless you speficy otherwise |
| 23:32.58 | nsadmin | so... first mirror pulse since release went by? |
| 23:33.03 | scgtrp | Vasistha, http://pastebin.ca/1339474 |
| 23:33.03 | maximus_ | unknown location /cdrom/dists/lenny/Release |
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| 23:33.17 | maximus_ | amphi: lenny, not sid |
| 23:33.27 | gpm | jamon: sure, but my currently assigned ip is the one that i forwarded port 22 to. |
| 23:33.28 | scgtrp | Vasistha, do i really have to look a bunch of stuff up? there isn't just one generic 'reconnect' command? |
| 23:33.30 | aburch | gpm: Do you try to connect from the outside or from inside using the external ip? |
| 23:33.41 | maximus_ | and this isn't a stability issue, it's a dealbreaker |
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| 23:33.49 | gpm | aburch: both from a remote client and using the external ip on a local machine, neither worked |
| 23:33.50 | Vasistha | scgtrp: we will only look this up once ;) then we're set for good |
| 23:33.51 | amphi | maximus_: sorry, misfire |
| 23:33.58 | jamon | gpm: ah i see, well can you forward other ports to your ip as a test? |
| 23:33.59 | Vasistha | scgtrp: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 23:34.00 | gpm | though i could ping using the external ip on both clients |
| 23:34.06 | gpm | jamon: good idea, let me try that |
| 23:34.15 | Vasistha | scgtrp: or alternately, ifdown -a; ifup -a |
| 23:34.18 | maximus_ | Vasistha: hmm, guess debootstrap accepts file:/ URI's, that's what it took |
| 23:34.29 | scgtrp | Vasistha, is that different from ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up? that's one of the things i tried |
| 23:34.29 | Vasistha | maximus_: oh nice! |
| 23:34.38 | jamon | gpm: sometimes if you have dmz enabled on crappy routers that overrides any forwarding as well |
| 23:34.51 | Vasistha | scgtrp: nope, same. my shorter commands are a debianism though |
| 23:34.58 | Tempus_Fugit | ok abrot im on my laptop also i will cpy and pst all te values if that helps |
| 23:35.02 | scgtrp | hm. i run no other distros |
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| 23:35.24 | abrotman | grr .. peopel leave ... |
| 23:35.26 | Vasistha | scgtrp: some people in here use the longer commands though ... so did that not work? |
| 23:35.34 | scgtrp | nope |
| 23:35.43 | maximus_ | Vasistha: unetbootin only works for distros that don't do a lot of fiddling with the cdrom trying to "make it easy" |
| 23:35.48 | Tempus_Fugit | i didnt leave |
| 23:35.58 | Tempus_Fugit | just signed on from the laptop |
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| 23:36.05 | gpm | jamon: 80 (httpd) also doesn't work |
| 23:36.08 | scgtrp | maybe it's the card. i remember windows having similar problems with not reconnecting unless i reinsert the card |
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| 23:36.33 | scgtrp | ... that will be the 3rd ethernet controller to die on this laptop. there's a reason i call it the craptop |
| 23:36.41 | Vasistha | scgtrp: oh, it looks like you are connected directly to a modem or something, you've got a real ip address there. Are you at home with a dsl or cable connection or some such? |
| 23:36.49 | gpm | jamon: i tried http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/ though, and it says ports are open... |
| 23:36.56 | scgtrp | yeah, it's connected straight to a cable modem |
| 23:37.03 | jamon | gpm: check dmz |
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| 23:37.14 | Vasistha | scgtrp: and why do you want to reconnect if I may ask? |
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| 23:37.26 | gpm | jamon: it's disabled. |
| 23:37.31 | Tempus_Fugit | PCI\VEN_168C&DEV_002A&SUBSYS_1381103C PCI\VEN_168C&DEV_002A&CC_028000 PCI\VEN_168C&DEV_002A&CC_0280 |
| 23:37.36 | jamon | hmm |
| 23:37.36 | gpm | jamon: should i try enabling and see if it works? |
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| 23:37.51 | Tempus_Fugit | ok abrotman those are all the values plus the first one i gave you |
| 23:37.56 | scgtrp | Vasistha, there's a dongle between the ethernet card and the ethernet cable that tends to fall out sometimes |
| 23:38.05 | Stanlin | how do i use testing? |
| 23:38.14 | jamon | gpm: sure as a test, turn it off when done though |
| 23:38.21 | Vasistha | scgtrp: and when that happens it loses the connection? |
| 23:38.24 | gpm | jamon: yeah that didn't do it either. |
| 23:38.36 | scgtrp | of course. the cable is no longer attached to anything when that happens |
| 23:38.40 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: is this a desktop ? |
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| 23:38.50 | Vasistha | scgtrp: well if you connect it again and wait 30 seconds does it just pop back on? |
| 23:38.51 | Tempus_Fugit | no laptop |
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| 23:39.02 | scgtrp | hm. waiting... never thought of that. :) |
| 23:39.19 | jamon | so it's your system, itables running? ssh listening on more than just 127.0.0.1 or to your internal network? |
| 23:39.26 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: and it's PCI ? |
| 23:39.35 | scgtrp | i'll try this stuff next time it happens, don't feel like killing my connection again to test |
| 23:39.38 | scgtrp | thanks |
| 23:39.49 | Tempus_Fugit | it has both ethernet and wifi |
| 23:39.59 | abrotman | the only 002a i see is a PCI-Express adapter |
| 23:40.06 | gpm | jamon: uninstalled iptables, restarting apache and sshd |
| 23:40.10 | abrotman | 002a AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) |
| 23:40.20 | Tempus_Fugit | 1 sec |
| 23:40.20 | abrotman | from pci.ids |
| 23:40.47 | Tempus_Fugit | Atheros AR5009 802.11a/g/n WiFi Adapter |
| 23:40.56 | Tempus_Fugit | thats copied and pasted |
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| 23:42.27 | Tempus_Fugit | this is A HP G60-230US notebook pc |
| 23:42.37 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: seems you'll need ndiswrapper AFAICT |
| 23:42.54 | nightglider28 | ndiswrapper? |
| 23:42.58 | amphi | compat-wireless? |
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| 23:43.00 | nightglider28 | For an atheros chip? |
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| 23:43.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stanlin, with caution |
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| 23:43.20 | nightglider28 | abrotman: madwifi cna handle Atheros chips just fine as long as they're not USB. |
| 23:43.39 | abrotman | nightglider28: not all of them ... you're welcome to find proof that the ar5009 works fine with any linux driver .. i couldn't find it |
| 23:44.35 | Tempus_Fugit | i took your previous advice and downloaded the 5.0 lenny of i386 and upon install it could not detect my network hardware |
| 23:44.36 | nightglider28 | abrotman: http://www.linlap.com/wiki/HP+Pavilion+dv5z |
| 23:44.48 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.53 | nightglider28 | Note the specs, linux compat, and the note. |
| 23:45.01 | gpm | jamon: uninstalling iptables was not the trick...any other ideas? |
| 23:45.06 | abrotman | nightglider28: and look at his kernel version in lenny .. how does that help him ? |
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| 23:45.23 | RusBoy | hi all |
| 23:45.30 | RusBoy | guys how i give permission for my users on debian |
| 23:45.37 | RusBoy | to access /proc/net/route |
| 23:45.39 | RusBoy | ? |
| 23:45.40 | nightglider28 | I wasn't showing it would help him. You asked my to find proof it worked with a linux driver. |
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| 23:45.51 | nightglider28 | And apparently I failed.. |
| 23:45.55 | nsadmin | that's a kernel thing |
| 23:46.05 | nightglider28 | Two main problems with the Linux on HP Pavilion dv5z laptop is lack of drivers for the wireless card (madwifi just does not support it yet and ndiswrapper did not help either as none of Windows drivers for AR5009 are supported by it) |
| 23:46.11 | jamon | gpm: pastebin netstat -tupln |
| 23:46.23 | nsadmin | RusBoy: what are you really trying to accomplish |
| 23:46.25 | Tempus_Fugit | Rus you need to set that up from root |
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| 23:46.50 | RusBoy | nsadmin i got program that needs to read something from /proc/net/route |
| 23:46.53 | RusBoy | with root i dont have error |
| 23:46.55 | abrotman | nightglider28: yes, technically you're right, but provided no additional help .. thanks ;) |
| 23:46.57 | RusBoy | but with regular user |
| 23:47.03 | RusBoy | it says it can't |
| 23:47.06 | RusBoy | so i guess it is permission issue |
| 23:47.06 | nightglider28 | abrotman: I do what I can. |
| 23:47.11 | nightglider28 | :P |
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| 23:47.23 | gpm | jamon: http://paste.debian.net/28517/ |
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| 23:47.31 | hackerix | hi |
| 23:47.38 | maximus_ | I managed to "bootstrap" the thing... now is there an easy way to go about getting the kernel and menu.lst?\ |
| 23:47.39 | Tempus_Fugit | hi |
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| 23:47.55 | hackerix | there is anyone that have experience with openmosix and debian |
| 23:47.56 | hackerix | ? |
| 23:48.07 | scientes | is it possible to have kerneloops record to a log file what it sends? |
| 23:48.12 | nsadmin | RusBoy on my system that file is 444 which means anyone can read, no one can write |
| 23:48.24 | _2 | am i in the wrong channel ? |
| 23:48.36 | RusBoy | nsadmin ill try that now |
| 23:48.42 | RusBoy | but the porb i tried it with 777 |
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| 23:48.44 | RusBoy | and it didnt work |
| 23:49.28 | nsadmin | why would it need to write? |
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| 23:49.36 | maximus_ | what is the package for the linux kernel? or is that even on the first DVD? |
| 23:49.44 | nsadmin | it looks like informational stuff about routes |
| 23:50.03 | _2 | maximus_ linux-image-* |
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| 23:50.05 | RusBoy | nsadmin 444 didn't help |
| 23:50.12 | RusBoy | still the user can't read it |
| 23:50.14 | Tempus_Fugit | i think he wants to set permissions for users which he needs to do from root or have root access i think |
| 23:50.19 | nsadmin | what program is this that needs to write that and expects any effect |
| 23:50.20 | jamon | gpm: disable ipv6 for ssh and apache (or just entirely) |
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| 23:50.34 | RusBoy | nsadmin i change it this way ? : chmod 444 /proc/net/route |
| 23:50.35 | RusBoy | ? |
| 23:50.39 | maximus_ | _2: thanks. manual installs really suck :P |
| 23:50.42 | nsadmin | 444 should be what it was originally |
| 23:50.50 | gpm | jamon: that'd block it? i mean, i'm happy to, but i'm just curious |
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| 23:50.51 | _2 | maximus_ indeed. |
| 23:51.05 | jamon | gpm: if you have a line "ListenAddress ::" in ssh comment it out |
| 23:51.10 | MarkJones | Anyone else having trouble with Gdebi just disapearing after double clicking on a package to install it? |
| 23:51.21 | RusBoy | nsadmin but only root gets permission at this time |
| 23:51.30 | abrotman | MarkJones: did you check the bts? |
| 23:51.31 | nsadmin | RusBoy: do you get an error message when you ls /proc? |
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| 23:51.39 | MarkJones | Whats the bts? |
| 23:51.44 | intheboat | Thanks for all |
| 23:51.49 | RusBoy | nsadmin no |
| 23:51.49 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.03 | nsadmin | RusBoy: do you get an error message when you ls /proc/net? |
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| 23:52.21 | RusBoy | ls: reading directory /proc/net: Invalid argument |
| 23:52.31 | MarkJones | Your speaking greek to me. whats msg dpkg bts? |
| 23:52.38 | gpm | jamon: oh yeah those are commented out, still no go :( thanks btw |
| 23:52.49 | nsadmin | so support for /proc/net is not in your kernel |
| 23:53.00 | abrotman | !tell MarkJones about bts |
| 23:53.11 | RusBoy | nsadmin but if i go with root |
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| 23:53.12 | benley | nsadmin: send a private message to the dpkg bot about bts. it will answer. |
| 23:53.17 | benley | errrr |
| 23:53.19 | jamon | gpm: what does your AddressFamily line say? |
| 23:53.21 | benley | s/nsadmin/MarkJones/ |
| 23:53.26 | RusBoy | nsadmin if i go with root |
| 23:53.27 | RusBoy | it works |
| 23:53.34 | RusBoy | but under a user it doesn't |
| 23:53.46 | _2 | user is chroot jailed ? |
| 23:53.48 | nsadmin | RusBoy: not understanding why it would |
| 23:53.49 | Tempus_Fugit | so abrot am i screwed |
| 23:53.58 | nightglider28 | Tempus_Fugit: ? |
| 23:54.08 | gpm | jamon: i don't have a line with that in sshd config |
| 23:54.08 | RusBoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.10 | RusBoy | with root |
| 23:54.11 | RusBoy | works |
| 23:54.17 | RusBoy | with not root |
| 23:54.17 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: seems you shold try to use ndiswrapper |
| 23:54.18 | RusBoy | doens't |
| 23:54.19 | nsadmin | _2: hmm, that could be |
| 23:54.23 | MarkJones | Well ok that was pointless asking I guess.Sorry to bother. |
| 23:54.33 | Tempus_Fugit | i wasnt sure if there was a conclusion to my pci chipset and if there are drivers for it |
| 23:54.33 | nightglider28 | abrotman: According to my link, it won't work. Period. |
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| 23:54.37 | RusBoy | nsadmin ls /proc/net |
| 23:54.38 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: does the wired network work ? |
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| 23:54.44 | RusBoy | works with root |
| 23:54.46 | nightglider28 | Linux just sdoes not seem to support that chip, yet. |
| 23:54.52 | abrotman | nightglider28: eh? i read links that said it would with ndiswrapper |
| 23:54.55 | ravil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:55.06 | nightglider28 | meh |
| 23:55.06 | jamon | gpm: ok well in that case, try stopping networking, rmmod any ipv6 module, blacklist it, then restart networking and ssh to test |
| 23:55.07 | Tempus_Fugit | i will chexk that out and get back to you |
| 23:55.12 | cirzgamanti | what was the name for the 'mouse on linux console' ? |
| 23:55.18 | Tempus_Fugit | gonna have to free up a port on my router |
| 23:55.42 | abrotman | cirzgamanti: gpm |
| 23:55.55 | ewet_ | is it a good idea to setup selinux on debian machines right now or would it be considered as too progressive? (no offense intended;-) |
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| 23:55.57 | RusBoy | nsadmin got any idea why with root i can do ls /proc/net and with regular no ? |
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| 23:56.04 | gpm | abrotman: hi |
| 23:56.11 | _2 | RusBoy as root try useradd -m blah ;su - blah # and then try the ls /proc/net |
| 23:56.11 | jamon | gpm: or add AddressFamily inet to sshd_config |
| 23:56.16 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:56.26 | cirzgamanti | jamon: thx |
| 23:56.30 | gpm | jamon: oh, you mean you think it's only open to ipv6 based on netstat? |
| 23:56.31 | Tempus_Fugit | im in the process of downloading the 64 bit release for my desktop maybe i will try installing that version as well on the laptop if you say my cpu will handle 64 bit i like 64 bit better anyway |
| 23:56.36 | intheboat | <cirzgamanti> gpm |
| 23:56.59 | gpm | yeah i was trying to be funny |
| 23:57.00 | gpm | haha |
| 23:57.03 | RusBoy | nsadmin same |
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| 23:57.16 | gpm | every so often i will have a message addressed to me, but it's really about that program, which i use. |
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| 23:57.19 | jamon | gpm: well it was a while ago that i had the same problem with apache and ipv6 so i'm working from memory |
| 23:57.27 | gpm | jamon: ok. |
| 23:57.29 | Tempus_Fugit | ok all i will get back to you on my progress thnx for all the help |
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| 23:57.41 | Tempus_Fugit | will bbs |
| 23:57.53 | Tempus_Fugit | ty abrotman and night |
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| 23:58.17 | _2 | RusBoy ok you can exit from blah and userdell -r blah |
| 23:58.20 | abrotman | uhm .. okay |
| 23:58.27 | abrotman | thinks it's still early in MO |
| 23:58.41 | Tempus_Fugit | what does that mean |
| 23:58.41 | Vasistha | hmmm, kmail moving 8000 messages from the find dialog into a folder is taking some time! been 3 minutes now. hope it doesn't hang :P |
| 23:58.51 | Tempus_Fugit | its 6pm here |
| 23:58.58 | abrotman | early .. not bed time :) |
| 23:59.21 | Tempus_Fugit | ah ok im not intending on keeping you up |
| 23:59.22 | RusBoy | _2 and nsadmin any ideas ? |
| 23:59.31 | cirzgamanti | hm, what are the odds for that? ;) |
| 23:59.40 | _2 | RusBoy we tested my idea, sorry. no help. |
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| 23:59.59 | Tempus_Fugit | im sure i will see you on here possibly tomorrow with any progress i have made |
