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| 00:00.18 | cheekee | when is x11 coming to unstable? |
| 00:01.58 | icebrain | x11? |
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| 00:10.03 | RickyWh | what is the command to find what my imagemagic path is? |
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| 00:10.39 | abrotman | RickyWh: which foo |
| 00:10.51 | RickyWh | old stable etch |
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| 00:11.19 | amphi | heh |
| 00:11.37 | abrotman | RichiH: no .. it's a command |
| 00:11.41 | abrotman | ermm |
| 00:11.43 | RickyWh | lol |
| 00:11.49 | abrotman | RickyWh: it's a command .. `which bash` .. for example |
| 00:12.01 | RickyWh | what does which foo do? |
| 00:12.19 | RichiH | yah yah] |
| 00:12.33 | amphi | returns an error, most likely ;) |
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| 00:13.46 | BitUnique | in /etc/X11/xorg.conf i should be able to use legacy drivers if i add Driver "nv" under Section Device right? |
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| 00:14.18 | themill | RickyWh: do you mean the imagemagick plugin path? |
| 00:14.30 | RickyWh | yes |
| 00:14.47 | RickyWh | I have a php script that asks for the path, the images are more clear on my gallery if I specify the path |
| 00:14.53 | RickyWh | so it says... |
| 00:15.10 | BitUnique | Couldn't find DDC routing table. What does this means in plain english? |
| 00:15.22 | BitUnique | mean* |
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| 00:15.46 | themill | RickyWh: I think it's something like /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.3.7/modules-Q16/ |
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| 00:18.34 | noppe | how can i fix a broken partition table? |
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| 00:21.29 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 00:21.37 | man_in_shack | anyone know how to get network manager to connect to a network via the cli? |
| 00:22.44 | themill | dpkg: tell man_in_shack about cnetworkmanager |
| 00:23.15 | man_in_shack | themill, no debian packages? :( |
| 00:23.43 | themill | it's only a python script... |
| 00:24.11 | man_in_shack | well that's not so bad then |
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| 00:29.32 | newsense_ | where in the ssh config file can you set it to disable password login and accept a key file only ? |
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| 00:31.16 | worren | help! after an upgrade, every key on the keyboard becomes the 'pause/break' key. |
| 00:31.49 | man_in_shack | newdebusr15, sshd_config: PasswordAuthentication no |
| 00:31.52 | Tramp | newsense_: man sshd_config, search for "PasswordAuth" |
| 00:32.37 | newsense_ | Tramp: thanks must have missed it, i was skimming the manpage |
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| 00:33.55 | scientes | what does it take to use a iso directly as a source for packages? |
| 00:34.07 | scientes | why does it have to be structured differently than a mirror? |
| 00:34.14 | abrotman | an ISO, or the actual CD ? |
| 00:34.21 | scientes | the iso |
| 00:34.27 | scientes | you cant just mount it and use it |
| 00:34.29 | abrotman | you shold be able to mount it over loopback |
| 00:34.33 | scientes | i mean loop mount it |
| 00:34.41 | scientes | but there is not way to use it |
| 00:34.45 | abrotman | apt-cdrom ? |
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| 00:34.51 | scientes | if you use file:// it doesnt use it and apt-cdrom wont recognize it |
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| 00:36.18 | scientes | apt-cdrom needs to be able to take absolute paths |
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| 00:37.10 | abrotman | it can take mount points |
| 00:37.26 | abrotman | so put the ISO in your fstab .. give it a mount point .. profit? |
| 00:37.31 | scientes | ah it needs APT::CDROM::NoMount; |
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| 00:38.37 | newsense_ | if i was to disable password logins to ssh, does anyone know if putty for windows supports authenticating via a key file ? |
| 00:38.57 | scientes | newsense_, it does but you must convert your private keys to puttys format |
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| 00:39.08 | scientes | newsense_, putty has a converter tool |
| 00:39.15 | worren | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.17 | abrotman | newsense_: yes it does |
| 00:39.25 | newsense_ | scientes: ok thanks, good thing i asked |
| 00:40.01 | newsense_ | would i want the rsa or dsa key for putty ? |
| 00:42.28 | jrbobdobs23 | Hi! I moved to HAL, so now there is no XKB stuff in xorg.conf. Where should I place it? I've added setxkbmap in ~/.xinitrc, but I guess it's not the right way. |
| 00:43.37 | newsense_ | i have ssh_host_(RSA|DSA)_key(.pub) files, if i wanted to login remotely which file would i need ? |
| 00:43.37 | worren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:44.25 | themill | enouf: judd now has the Piccy plugin loaded |
| 00:44.28 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 00:44.35 | man_in_shack | having some trouble with udev now |
| 00:44.36 | themill | judd: pciid 8086:4222 |
| 00:44.36 | judd | themill: [8086:4222] is 'PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwl3945' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=8086:4222 |
| 00:44.40 | man_in_shack | looks like the daemon isn't starting |
| 00:44.53 | man_in_shack | says something about not being able to remove links in /dev/.udev |
| 00:44.57 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 00:45.09 | scientes | abrotman, it doesnt work because the line in sources.list is the same |
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| 00:45.26 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:45.30 | abrotman | did you try using apt-cdrom ? |
| 00:45.31 | scientes | and when it wants the cdrom then it just asks for it to be inserted instead of going to a predetermined path |
| 00:45.43 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 00:46.02 | abrotman | i understand .. it's using cdrom:// and is trying to use the CD device |
| 00:46.33 | scientes | yeah, it needs to either be pure file:// or have chrom:// and then a file:// or something |
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| 00:46.56 | abrotman | and why doesn't file:// work ? |
| 00:46.57 | scientes | if the cdroms were layed out like the mirrors it would work with just file:// and be very clean |
| 00:47.10 | scientes | i was told the cdroms are not layed out the same |
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| 00:47.24 | scientes | also it wouldnt be trusted |
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| 00:48.45 | aoeu | upgrading to lenny broke my sound. i get the error "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" when i try to run alsamixer. when i redo the alsa setup, i get the same error. |
| 00:49.20 | scientes | aoeu, lenny broke my emu10k1 |
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| 00:50.25 | aoeu | scientes, how did you fix it? |
| 00:50.37 | dee25 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.39 | dee25 | it wont let me |
| 00:50.49 | abrotman | dee25: you need to be root to edit it |
| 00:50.56 | jmd | dee25, Perhaps you don't have permission. |
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| 00:51.01 | dee25 | how u root? |
| 00:51.12 | scientes | i didnt |
| 00:51.23 | themill | dee25: how did you get kde 4.2 on your machine if you couldn't do this? |
| 00:51.27 | dee25 | im on the file mananger |
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| 00:52.13 | dee25 | im learning my man |
| 00:52.40 | dee25 | im already root idk see why i cant edit it |
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| 00:54.25 | tim_home | hello I installed a new debian installation and then I want to compile qt-4.5-rc1 -> message: http://rafb.net/p/TRlemV73.html - anybody here who can help my blind eys? |
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| 00:54.38 | man_in_shack | bleh |
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| 00:54.50 | man_in_shack | who was it who pointed me to cnetworkmanager? |
| 00:55.21 | themill | hides |
| 00:55.27 | abrotman | finds themill |
| 00:55.51 | man_in_shack | themill, it's complaining it can't find a module called "pbkdf2" |
| 00:55.59 | themill | man_in_shack: I know nothing about it other than it exists... sorry. |
| 00:57.20 | man_in_shack | :( |
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| 01:03.39 | newsense_ | what are the keys created by openssh-server for ? |
| 01:04.31 | dee25 | can u take some things |
| 01:04.37 | dee25 | off the souce list |
| 01:04.43 | dee25 | cant be able to edit it |
| 01:04.54 | dee25 | im trying to install flashplayer |
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| 01:05.20 | newsense_ | i see each user should have their own private key they created, what are the keys openssh-server used for ? |
| 01:05.31 | newsense_ | *created by openssh-server |
| 01:05.37 | man_in_shack | grumbles |
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| 01:07.18 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 01:07.18 | dpkg | somebody said ssh keys was http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 01:07.47 | karsten | man_in_shack: Is there a woman in that shack? |
| 01:08.08 | man_in_shack | karsten, are you a woman asking me out? |
| 01:08.10 | scientes | why are cdroms not signed the way mirrors release files are? |
| 01:08.33 | newsense_ | can anyone tell me what the key files in /etc/ssh/ are for ? |
| 01:09.45 | scientes | newsense_, for identifying the server |
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| 01:10.12 | newsense_ | scientes: i dont follow |
| 01:10.34 | scientes | newsense_, read wikipedia |
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| 01:11.13 | newsense_ | scientes: i created a new key for my user can i put that key on a udb drive and use it to login to this server now |
| 01:11.55 | scientes | newsense_, only if it is their $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 01:12.07 | man_in_shack | ok, that was weird |
| 01:12.23 | man_in_shack | for some reason i got "no space left on device" for / after booting |
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| 01:13.07 | Extend | i just installed lenny standard system without a desktop environment |
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| 01:13.23 | Extend | cause i tried to install the desktop environment but it fail, my internet connection is bad |
| 01:13.31 | Extend | anyway i installed a standard system |
| 01:13.53 | Extend | what is the name of the desktop environment package |
| 01:14.04 | adama | Extend: do you want gnome or KDE? |
| 01:14.08 | Extend | gnome |
| 01:14.25 | adama | apt-get install xserver-xorg gdm gnome |
| 01:14.32 | adama | I believe will do the trick |
| 01:14.44 | vor | gdm? |
| 01:14.57 | man_in_shack | my lousy slow internet prevents me from installing debian on a friend's laptop :P |
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| 01:15.11 | adama | gdm, that thing that starts X and asks you to log in |
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| 01:15.32 | adama | gnome display manager |
| 01:15.35 | vor | it" an X loging do we need it? |
| 01:15.59 | man_in_shack | actually, it prevents me from doing anything useful with my own debian systems :( |
| 01:16.09 | vor | man_in_shack: DL the torrent |
| 01:16.22 | man_in_shack | vor, i do netinstalls anyway |
| 01:16.44 | vor | yep but on a bad connection |
| 01:16.48 | adama | vor: I'd say so |
| 01:16.49 | man_in_shack | stupid internet keeps dropping the connection halfway through downloading the Packages file |
| 01:17.13 | man_in_shack | and downloading a torrent of debian won't fix that |
| 01:17.22 | man_in_shack | nor is it likely to be any faster |
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| 01:17.43 | multibyte | specter or ulogd ? any suggestions ? |
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| 01:19.15 | kc | afer instaling 64 bit, grub is giving me an error 2 |
| 01:19.29 | kc | already ried reinstalling grub from recovery, was nogo |
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| 01:26.44 | endeavormac | is the dante-server package not in lenny? |
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| 01:26.55 | sanenick | i can access a computer through ssh & httpd but i cannot access web from inside it (e.g wget)..what could be wrong? |
| 01:26.56 | RickyWh | what is the command to see all cron's? |
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| 01:27.17 | endeavormac | because that's what it looks like, but i want to confirm |
| 01:27.36 | man_in_shack | endeavormac, packages.debian.org << should help if you're unsure |
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| 01:28.13 | man_in_shack | sanenick, firewall/iptables config, or default gateway not set correctly, or broken resolv.conf |
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| 01:29.35 | endeavormac | so according to this, i need either unstable or oldstable package repositories to get dante-server? http://packages.debian.org/dante-server can i just add the lines for oldstable in with lines for testing in my apt configuration? |
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| 01:30.18 | sanenick | man_in_shack: didn't touch iptables, gateway didn't change afaik but i will check.. should resolv.conf contain anything beside: nameserver address? |
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| 01:31.01 | nkuttler | endeavormac: that's probably not going to work |
| 01:31.05 | Tramp | sanenick: what exactly are you trying to access? The public IP of a NATed server from within the private network? |
| 01:31.06 | sanenick | man_in_shack: even pinging ips from doesn't work |
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| 01:31.36 | endeavormac | ok, thanks |
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| 01:32.09 | sanenick | Tramp: random web servers eg google.com |
| 01:32.24 | man_in_shack | hmm, it is interesting though |
| 01:32.39 | man_in_shack | dante is only in etch and sid, not in lenny or squeeze |
| 01:33.15 | Tramp | sanenick: ah, you cannot connect outside in general but connecting inside works. ... Can you ping by IP? ping the gateway? |
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| 01:34.02 | Tramp | sanenick: e.g. "ping 209.85.129.99" (which is one IP of www.google.com) |
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| 01:34.22 | kc | never mind, found the problem |
| 01:34.24 | yfk | how can I enable write permissions to a hfs+ partition I've mounted? |
| 01:34.33 | man_in_shack | yeah, i'd double-check and make sure the gateway is still correct |
| 01:34.42 | abrotman | yfk: don't think you can |
| 01:34.50 | yfk | :( |
| 01:34.57 | man_in_shack | yfk, assuming the kernel module supports it, mount -o remount,rw |
| 01:34.59 | abrotman | !hfs+ |
| 01:35.00 | dpkg | hfsplus is, like, the hfs+ kernel filesystem driver for modern mac filesystems. eg, "mount -t hfsplus ...". <parted> supports the resizing (shrink only) of HFS/HFS+ filesystems, provided that the start of the partition stays fixed. |
| 01:35.11 | sanenick | me@thebox:~$ wget google.com --2009-02-20 02:33:39-- http://google.com/ Resolving google.com... 74.125.45.100, 209.85.171.100, 74.125.67.100 |
| 01:35.27 | sanenick | then it hangs |
| 01:36.02 | man_in_shack | ok, so dns is working |
| 01:36.05 | Tramp | sanenick: I asked if you can (1) ping the Gateway (2) ping the IP I gave above |
| 01:36.14 | sanenick | Tramp: PING 209.85.129.99 (209.85.129.99) 56(84) bytes of data. then it hangs |
| 01:36.25 | sanenick | yes pinging gateway works |
| 01:37.03 | man_in_shack | according to my 2.6.28 kernel information, hfsplus module supports "full read-write access" |
| 01:37.13 | yfk | man_in_shack: sorry, I don't see excactly what you mean? is that one command? and what does it do? |
| 01:37.27 | man_in_shack | yfk, man mount |
| 01:37.36 | yfk | I have 2.6.27 |
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| 01:37.59 | man_in_shack | yfk, the command i gave you is missing one important component, which is the mountpoint or device node of the filesystem |
| 01:38.02 | abrotman | yfk: give us the full uname -a |
| 01:38.19 | Tramp | sanenick: check, if the default-GW you have set is correct (route -n) |
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| 01:38.39 | RickyWh | when a cron has fix asterisks, does that mean it will run every minute? |
| 01:38.42 | Tramp | sanenick: nvm. it is, because you can connect in |
| 01:38.43 | yfk | Linux yfk-desktop 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Tue Nov 4 19:33:20 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:38.50 | abrotman | RickyWh: yes |
| 01:38.57 | abrotman | yfk: go to #ubuntu for support |
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| 01:39.03 | Tramp | sanenick: check, if your gateway for some reasons blocks outgoing connections |
| 01:39.39 | yfk | abrotman: :) what does a Debian kernel look like? |
| 01:39.51 | abrotman | yfk: not funny, go to #ubuntu |
| 01:40.01 | sanenick | Tramp: how to do that? |
| 01:40.13 | RickyWh | what exactly does crontab -l do? |
| 01:40.13 | Goat25 | or #noobuntu |
| 01:40.14 | Tramp | sanenick: no idea. I don't know your gateway |
| 01:40.39 | sanenick | Tramp: ;) i would have to ask my friend then |
| 01:40.59 | Tramp | sanenick: whoever knows something about this gateway |
| 01:41.14 | RickyWh | when does this cron run at? */2 * * * * |
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| 01:41.31 | Tramp | RickyWh: man 5 crontab explains the syntax |
| 01:41.40 | man_in_shack | RickyWh, shouldn't man crontab tell you that? :) |
| 01:41.53 | Tramp | man_in_shack: no. That would give him crontab (1) |
| 01:41.58 | man_in_shack | ah |
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| 01:42.10 | man_in_shack | man 5 crontab then |
| 01:42.17 | Tramp | yes. I just said that |
| 01:42.26 | m0 | Hello, I updated my system and all my permissions dissappeared from my system any ideas why? |
| 01:42.33 | man_in_shack | yeah, laaaaagg here |
| 01:42.37 | RickyWh | it says that is for the minutes. so in theory this should run every 30 seconds? */2 * * * * |
| 01:42.43 | man_in_shack | m0, how did you update? |
| 01:42.49 | Tramp | man_in_shack: then you are forgiven :) |
| 01:42.50 | sanenick | it's pretty weird, because i have 82.229.244.191 as DNS server (opennic project) and it can translate domain names but cannot open other connections.. thx anyway |
| 01:42.51 | m0 | aptitude update |
| 01:42.52 | m0 | upgrade |
| 01:42.56 | man_in_shack | RickyWh, looks more like every 2 minutes to me |
| 01:43.10 | man_in_shack | cron doesn't do anything by seconds |
| 01:43.15 | RickyWh | ahh ok |
| 01:43.27 | RickyWh | is there a command needed to start the cron? |
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| 01:43.47 | nkuttler | RickyWh: /etc/init.d/cron start ? |
| 01:43.49 | man_in_shack | m0, ok, so what permissions exactly disappeared? |
| 01:44.05 | man_in_shack | nkuttler, don't you mean restart? |
| 01:44.15 | nkuttler | man_in_shack: that depends i guess |
| 01:44.19 | RickyWh | Starting periodic command scheduler: crond failed! |
| 01:44.48 | RickyWh | nevermind, stopped, then started, works fine |
| 01:44.57 | man_in_shack | heh |
| 01:44.58 | linuxguy | I have only just installed v5 and now ive been looking at how to install the graphics drivers and find the wiki a little complicated...i have a 1gb nvidia 9500gt card any helpies would be great |
| 01:45.16 | man_in_shack | reload should also work, cos that tells it to reload the config files |
| 01:45.42 | man_in_shack | linuxguy, you probably want to install nvidia-glx and a suitable nvidia-kernel package |
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| 01:46.18 | RickyWh | ya thx :) |
| 01:46.22 | linuxguy | man_in_shack, yes so i just type in install nvidia-glx as root? |
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| 01:46.33 | man_in_shack | facepalms |
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| 01:46.48 | man_in_shack | close, but you're missing something |
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| 01:47.13 | magyar | where can i get a 2.6.28 deb ? |
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| 01:47.18 | RickyWh | is there a cron log file that I can see if my cron has actually successfully ran? |
| 01:47.20 | linuxguy | man_in_shack, thats my problem....i now im missing something....but what? |
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| 01:47.29 | man_in_shack | and in order for nvidia-glx to work, you need a matching nvidia-kernel |
| 01:47.46 | man_in_shack | linuxguy, "install" is not the correct command. you need to tell a package manager to install |
| 01:48.12 | Goat25 | aptitude install MicrosoftBob |
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| 01:48.18 | man_in_shack | RickyWh, if it doesn't work, it will likely send a mail to root, or some other user you have nominated |
| 01:48.26 | man_in_shack | Goat25, hah, that would be cool ;) |
| 01:48.29 | linuxguy | man_in_shack, so do i use synaptic? |
| 01:48.43 | man_in_shack | linuxguy, do you have a gui to run synaptic in? |
| 01:48.52 | man_in_shack | i mean, you ARE installing video drivers here |
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| 01:49.11 | linuxguy | man_in_shack, ive just installed synaptic from terminal |
| 01:49.42 | linuxguy | man_in_shack, thats what i want to do install the video drivers for the nvidia card |
| 01:50.17 | man_in_shack | linuxguy, last time i checked synaptic is a gui program and won't run if you don't have a gui. so do you have a gui?> |
| 01:50.26 | yfk | I have this under /etc/mtab "/dev/sda2 /media/disk0s2 hfsplus rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal 0 0", shouldn't it mean I have rw ability? |
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| 01:50.56 | man_in_shack | magyar, you could make one using make-kpkg, but you sacrifice support from #debian if you do that |
| 01:51.01 | linuxguy | man_in_shack, agui as in graphic user interface? like a desktop? |
| 01:51.21 | man_in_shack | linuxguy, as in x.org |
| 01:52.01 | linuxguy | man_in_shack, no idea....i just want to install the drivers to make the card work |
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| 01:53.00 | man_in_shack | palmsface |
| 01:53.12 | man_in_shack | linuxguy, when you ran synaptic, did it do anything? |
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| 01:54.18 | linuxguy | man.....well i managed to install xchat from it, ive plenty of stuff there i can install :) |
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| 01:54.59 | linuxguy | man_in_shack, last message was meant for you |
| 01:55.01 | yfk | man_in_shack: you know you could direct the guy to use apt but choose to ask him so many questions you know he will not understand. this used to be a nice place... |
| 01:55.01 | man_in_shack | fine |
| 01:55.04 | magyar | man_in_shack: what about 2.6.27? |
| 01:55.04 | man_in_shack | now go install nvidia-glx |
| 01:55.25 | man_in_shack | magyar, same deal |
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| 01:55.57 | man_in_shack | yfk, do you really think that would help? :P |
| 01:56.29 | bitunique | any one remember the irc network service that lets you use msn? |
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| 01:56.50 | chapium | Hello all, I have a debian server that I would like to add a tv tuner card to. What tuners work well with Debian? |
| 01:56.54 | chapium | My goal is to record the video and save to a file that I can view from over the network later. |
| 01:57.08 | man_in_shack | bitunique, bittlebee? |
| 01:57.16 | bitunique | man_in_shack: thats it thanks |
| 01:57.26 | yfk | I don't know if you have envy on any of the default repos but I think that would be better than trying to install nvidia-glx |
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| 01:57.52 | abrotman | yfk: go to #ubuntu .. you're offtopic and can be banned |
| 01:57.54 | yfk | why would he insist on synaptic if he knew he could use apt directly?! |
| 01:57.56 | linuxguy | man_in_shack, says missing destination file |
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| 01:58.22 | KC | hmm, what are the debian-multimedia packages I need for video and audio? |
| 01:58.24 | yfk | abrotman: no I'm not, I discussing Debian issues |
| 01:58.30 | man_in_shack | yfk, no you're not |
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| 02:05.54 | linuxguy | >>is having a nitemare trying to find out how to install nvidia drivers ffffffffffor a 9500gt card :( |
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| 02:06.23 | itachi | helo |
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| 02:07.17 | itachi | i have some question for debian lenny |
| 02:07.29 | karsten | itachi: Just ask |
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| 02:10.08 | dkr | or not |
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| 02:10.40 | Sane | I edited my resolv.conf and put in opendns' nameservers |
| 02:10.46 | Sane | now the machine wont connect to the internet |
| 02:10.51 | Sane | how can I fix it? |
| 02:11.01 | linuxguy | I need some help installing the nvidias, Im using Lenny kde version, helpies would be great......wiki is to complicated |
| 02:11.02 | Sane | I dont remember what was there previously |
| 02:11.05 | dkr | put it back the way it was before it stopped working? |
| 02:11.28 | karsten | !tell Sane about network drill |
| 02:11.29 | itachi | karsten: what new in the lenny huh ? |
| 02:11.41 | karsten | Sane: Can you ping say an arbitrary Internet IP? |
| 02:11.42 | |Jason8| | So guys, for the life of me I can't remember what the package is to install all of the compiling kits. Sorry, I'm being braindead tonight. |
| 02:11.57 | karsten | itachi: Ask your question. I don't answer trivia |
| 02:11.59 | KC | did you enable non free and contrib yet? |
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| 02:12.19 | karsten | Sane: Eg: 66.102.1.104 (one of Google's IPs) |
| 02:12.20 | cheekee | I am using unstable so I have a US keyboard instead of UK |
| 02:12.25 | itachi | karsten: kernel ? |
| 02:12.36 | Sane | karsten: previously I could only ping IPs, not DNS |
| 02:12.44 | cheekee | How can I change that? |
| 02:12.44 | karsten | |Jason8|: What do you want to compile? gcc, generally. |
| 02:12.47 | karsten | itachi: Good idea. |
| 02:12.50 | Sane | now i cannot access the machine because im not at the same physical location |
| 02:12.52 | jmd | cheekee, Does unstable only work with US keyboards? |
| 02:12.53 | Sane | it has a static IP |
| 02:13.00 | karsten | Sane: OK. find a valid nameserver then. |
| 02:13.14 | Sane | karsten: I was used opendns nameservers |
| 02:13.14 | cheekee | jmd: It seems so |
| 02:13.18 | itachi | karsten: kernel 2.6.?? |
| 02:13.20 | karsten | Sane: Or install bind9 and use that, serve yourself. |
| 02:13.27 | Sane | put in two entries for each opendns entries |
| 02:13.28 | abrotman | !tell cheekee about keymap |
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| 02:13.49 | dkr | itachi: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 |
| 02:13.57 | cheekee | I had to fish about about to find the key for # |
| 02:14.00 | itachi | dkr: ok |
| 02:14.14 | jmd | cheekee, I always considered Americans a bit unstable myself. |
| 02:14.36 | linuxguy | I find that about Fedorians |
| 02:14.38 | cheekee | its the pound sign on the UK keyboard |
| 02:15.05 | cheekee | # = unstable pound |
| 02:15.19 | gravity | ugh, the libxi bug |
| 02:15.24 | karsten | itachi: What's your native language, and/or what's your actual problem? |
| 02:15.29 | jmd | of course the yanks call that hash sign "pound". |
| 02:15.41 | abrotman | there are numerous proper names for that symbol |
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| 02:15.55 | karsten | Sane: Can you ping those nameservers or query them directly with dig or host? |
| 02:15.57 | itachi | karsten: i'm from indonesia |
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| 02:16.14 | linuxguy | one is "hash sign" :) |
| 02:16.16 | dkr | karsten: I interpreted it as him wanting to know what version of stuff are included in lenny, :) |
| 02:16.22 | jmd | Reminds me of my Bleasdale days. Didn't have a backquote, so had to use the English pound sterling sign instead. |
| 02:16.34 | karsten | itachi: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 02:16.38 | abrotman | octothorpe! |
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| 02:16.46 | karsten | itachi: Answers your quesitons if dkr's mindreading is accurate. |
| 02:16.54 | cheekee | Also there is no X11 in ustable |
| 02:17.04 | cheekee | unstable |
| 02:17.05 | Sane | 208.67.222.222 (opendns nameserver) responds from here |
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| 02:17.18 | gravity | cheekee: Um...? |
| 02:17.22 | gravity | Yes there is |
| 02:17.30 | karsten | gravity: Hrm. This should be fun. |
| 02:17.33 | dkr | itachi: also http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html |
| 02:17.39 | itachi | karsten: sip, thank's you |
| 02:17.39 | cheekee | where? |
| 02:17.41 | karsten | cheekee: meet the xorg package maintainer. |
| 02:17.41 | jmd | abrotman, What do you call the ~ sign? |
| 02:17.42 | gravity | cheekee: xorg |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | tilde |
| 02:17.49 | gravity | karsten: Not so much these days |
| 02:17.54 | karsten | cheekee: gravity is the dd for that package. |
| 02:17.56 | itachi | dkr: ok |
| 02:17.58 | jmd | with an acute e? |
| 02:18.06 | Sane | karsten: both opendns server works |
| 02:18.06 | karsten | jmd: twiddle |
| 02:18.06 | karsten | gravity: Work with me! |
| 02:18.12 | Sane | the resolv.conf looks like |
| 02:18.16 | Sane | nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 02:18.17 | gravity | meh... jcristau and bgoglin pretty much own it. I'm just a helper these days. |
| 02:18.18 | abrotman | jmd: you mean the pronunciation |
| 02:18.19 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:18.26 | gravity | But yeah, I can definitely say there's X in unstable |
| 02:18.36 | Sane | nameserver 208.67.220.220 |
| 02:18.40 | jmd | yes |
| 02:18.41 | dkr | jmd: till-duh :) |
| 02:18.41 | cheekee | Aww! I don't want to go to Xorg to get another package that will break my dependencies |
| 02:18.56 | gravity | blinks |
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| 02:19.07 | gravity | I don't even know how to respond to that |
| 02:19.12 | jmd | Someone I used to know always insisted on "swung dash". |
| 02:19.18 | gravity | goes back to poking at the libxi bug |
| 02:19.25 | Sane | what should i do |
| 02:19.32 | cheekee | ccurrently almost all xorg packages are onhold until some thing is found that links with orca |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | poke harder! |
| 02:19.40 | acu | how can I see whether krfb or vncserver runs on background ? |
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| 02:19.49 | linuxguy | abrotman, the "~" is sigma :) |
| 02:19.52 | dkr | there is no gravity. the earth just sucks. |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | jmd: uhm .. mixed .. sometimes till-dee, but usually till-da ? |
| 02:20.01 | abrotman | i guess |
| 02:20.14 | Sane | anyone? |
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| 02:20.46 | dkr | acu: ps auxww|grep vnc |
| 02:20.48 | acu | I have terrible time connecting through krfb or any remote control tool - they are simply disconecting when I am pass the password control |
| 02:21.00 | Sane | no one knows about the resolv.conf problem? |
| 02:21.14 | Sane | I have to tell someone how to fix it, but have no clue how to go about it |
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| 02:21.28 | Sane | the machine uses a static IP too |
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| 02:22.13 | dkr | Sane: I haven't heard your problem, bu are you aware of nsswitch.conf? that decides the order things are used to resolve names, e.g. files (/etc/hosts) before dns (/etc/resolv.conf) |
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| 02:22.53 | itachi | karsten: did debian lenny have NetworkManager yet ? |
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| 02:23.34 | karsten | itachi: I don't know |
| 02:23.36 | Sane | dkr: basically I changed resolv.conf so that it would use opendns nameservers, and now i cant access the machine at all |
| 02:23.49 | acu | how can I kill krfb |
| 02:23.56 | linuxguy | Please can someone help me with the nvidia ddrivers? |
| 02:24.11 | acu | linuxguy: what your problem ? |
| 02:24.14 | gravity | Yes, lenny has NetworkManager |
| 02:24.32 | gravity | Etch had it too, not sure about sarge |
| 02:25.10 | acu | linuxguy: type your problem quickly - I agonized long enough that I might be of help |
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| 02:26.20 | linuxguy | acu, I have tried to follow the wiki and find it complicated, i just need to know the procedure so i can install the drivers, im ussing lenny and have a 1gb nvidia 9500gt card, thanks |
| 02:27.15 | acu | what exactly is your problem - did you install lenny and not get the resolution or what ? |
| 02:27.57 | dondelelcaro | Sane: that won't cause you to be unable to access the machine; it'll just make logging in slow |
| 02:27.57 | KC | linuxguy: did you enable non free? |
| 02:27.58 | dondelelcaro | (well, unless you're doing some kind of host-based authentication) |
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| 02:28.53 | linuxguy | KC.....i need to know what i am doing here, all i know at the moment is that i want to make the card work properly :) |
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| 02:28.57 | bitunique | how do i find the hardware ID for my GPU? |
| 02:29.01 | jsubl2 | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 02:29.31 | acu | because lenny works now with most Nvidia without any need of tweaking - however if you have time and want to get the "ultimate" drive you have to go to nvidia website and download their driver for the card you have - then you have to compile (you have to get out of xserver) and from terminal you have to run it - it will be compiled for you kernel |
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| 02:30.12 | bitunique | jsubl2: im in console with a failing GPU. can you please just give me the command? |
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| 02:30.36 | linuxguy | acu, waas that last post for me?..cos i cant compile....all i know is i need to get the card working |
| 02:30.49 | jsubl2 | bitunique: not that simple. you need to read the page and understand it |
| 02:31.12 | bitunique | im sure there is a command for it |
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| 02:31.53 | acu | linuxguy: did you install lenny from scratch? what exactly is your problem - what is the resolution you get now ? |
| 02:32.32 | linuxguy | acu, yes from scratch and yes the resolution, screensavers are jumpy to |
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| 02:33.13 | acu | linuxguy: what resolution do you get now ? |
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| 02:33.52 | linuxguy | 1280x768, ive had 1280x1024 from previous version of debian |
| 02:34.15 | linuxguy | acu, ^^^ last post was meant ffor you |
| 02:36.08 | acu | linuxguy do you run KDE ? |
| 02:36.39 | linuxguy | acu, yes kde |
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| 02:37.56 | acu | linuxguy: rightclick mouse on the desktop and choose CONFIGURE desktop - then DISPLAY - see whether you can change the resolution from there (and refresh rate - though if it is a LCD screen any refresh will do it ) |
| 02:38.52 | linuxguy | acu, i cant go any higher than 1280x768, i know the card can |
| 02:40.24 | acu | linuxguy: there is a program called randr - type at terminal xrandr |
| 02:41.00 | acu | however it used to be a file xorg.conf but now the configuration files are split and I am behind on details |
| 02:41.55 | acu | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (something like this would have allowed a choice of what kind of card you have and resolution etc) but now I do not think it works |
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| 02:42.35 | acu | linuxguy: otherwise just go to nvidia.com and download their file - run it and then you will have a gui for choosing different resolutions |
| 02:42.53 | linuxguy | acu, it gave me a reading saying max is 1280x1280, a little lower doen it saaid 1280x768* which is what im using now....would downloading the nvidia driver be a better idea? |
| 02:43.31 | acu | linuxguy: you might be able to change it with randr - there are people better than me on this - |
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| 02:44.41 | acu | but since lenny is stable - once you use nvidia driver you will be OK - the problem before was that every time the kernel was updated the driver needed a rerun from terminal |
| 02:45.37 | acu | linuxguy: the nvidia driver and interface is much better and detailed |
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| 02:46.20 | linuxguy | acu, thanks......i just found the wiki to complicated to understand |
| 02:46.20 | Qew | I think that with nvidia cards, it's best to use nvidia-settings instead of xrandr (which seems to give the wrong refresh rates on nvidia cards) |
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| 02:49.17 | acu | linuxguy: everything seems either broken or difficult to make it work - next few weeks I am planing to make some video tutorials on all this things - it took me long time to switch from windows to debian- and what is missing is proper tutorials - so I hope I can make it simple for all |
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| 02:50.19 | bitunique | is there a easy way at all to get my GPU hardware ID? |
| 02:50.28 | bitunique | or device ID if you like |
| 02:50.39 | linuxguy | acu, i have to agree with you 100% there the tutorials are a little complicated, all you have to look at is how suse install the same driver on the same page..all 3 instructions are there |
| 02:51.43 | acu | linuxguy: however once you know it - whatever you need to do takes less than a minute :) |
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| 02:52.16 | acu | I would say that one week of sweat = 1 minute of actual solution :) |
| 02:53.07 | craigevil | http://www.debiantutorials.org http://www.debian.org/doc/ http://www.debian-administration.org/ there are plenty of howtos sites, plus forums.debian.net has many howtos |
| 02:53.07 | haxality | hello, I want to set up this computer and another computer to use a crossover cable for networking |
| 02:53.10 | haxality | how might I do this |
| 02:53.20 | linuxguy | acu, yes exactly.........im quite new to debian, and ive got rid of it because lack of info to understand, but ive read a lot of good stuff about lenny and wanted another try with brand new stuff |
| 02:54.09 | craigevil | debian isnt any harder than any other distro if you take the time to read the debian docs and know how to google when you have issues |
| 02:54.13 | bitunique | no one knows how i can extract the device ID of my GPU? |
| 02:54.20 | linuxguy | haxality, do you have a router? |
| 02:54.30 | haxality | no, thus why I want to use a crossover cable |
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| 02:55.15 | acu | linuxguy: lenny kicks ass - it is very modern and gets recognized almost everything (almost as suse does it :) ) I have an NVIDIA with HDMI and a screen of 1920 X1080 and I did not need to do absolute nothing - just out of the box everything works like a charm |
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| 02:55.50 | abrotman | bitunique: lspci -nn |
| 02:56.25 | linuxguy | craigevil, thanks, but wouldnt it be easier to say this?..especially if you are new to debian ?..step 1 whatever, step 2...whatever, 3 check using grep***.....4 log out and in? |
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| 02:56.42 | acu | However I have two seemingly trivial things not working properly: one I cannot connect and take the desktop over with krfb krdc or tight vnc - I used to get this working in no time - now it disconects once I am authenticated - and I need to spend one week to figure out :( |
| 02:57.09 | linuxguy | acu, ive found that my card isnt a new as i expected...its just got a good spec |
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| 02:58.18 | craigevil | linuxguy: i jumped right into debian from windows xp, any questions i had, i had no problems finding on google, plus i cheat and use smxi |
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| 02:59.20 | linuxguy | craigevil, thanks.......i didnt know you could use smxi! |
| 02:59.40 | linuxguy | craigevil, i know how to use that from Sidux |
| 02:59.46 | craigevil | yes h2 has modifed it so it works just fine on pure debian |
| 02:59.52 | acu | linuxguy: so you have at least a start nvidia.com drivers, xrandr or learning how to tweak xorg.conf |
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| 03:00.27 | bitunique | abrotman: thanks :D |
| 03:00.28 | linuxguy | craigevil, so how do i install it?..apt-get install smxi? |
| 03:00.49 | abrotman | bitunique: what's this for ? |
| 03:00.55 | worren | it's the 'scroll-lock', not 'pause/break', that is activated by keying any other key. what is the cause? |
| 03:01.03 | linuxguy | acu, i know how to do the tweaking in xorg files....its just getting the bits there 1st :) |
| 03:01.07 | craigevil | linuxguy: Give it a try like this (as root): cd /usr/local/bin; wget techpatterns.com/smxi.zip;unzip smxi.zip; smxi |
| 03:01.46 | bitunique | abrotman: flashing my gpu bios |
| 03:01.46 | acu | linuxguy: it used to be quite simple - add an extraresolution for the card and restartx |
| 03:01.57 | linuxguy | craigevil, and then just drop dowwn to log in screen, get root and smxi and it installs the drivers? |
| 03:02.03 | bitunique | abrotman: my gpu is about to fail completly, so this is my last resrot |
| 03:02.10 | bitunique | resort' |
| 03:02.22 | linuxguy | acu, are you reading what craigevil is saying to? |
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| 03:02.55 | craigevil | linuxguy: works just the same as how you used it with sidux |
| 03:03.21 | linuxguy | BitUnique, if you have a failing cpu, theres no commands in linux that will make it work again |
| 03:03.37 | linuxguy | craig....ill give it atry now |
| 03:03.41 | linuxguy | brb |
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| 03:04.05 | acu | linuxguy: I did not try any of the craigevil methods - this is linux = limitless - I just need the simplest way to make it working :) |
| 03:04.17 | acu | anyhow, I have to go now - good luck :) |
| 03:04.28 | linuxguy | acu, have you ever tried sidux? |
| 03:04.29 | BitUnique | linuxguy: lmfao |
| 03:04.37 | acu | nope |
| 03:04.38 | BitUnique | linuxguy: i never said that. jesus christ |
| 03:04.45 | worren | the keyboard is not the problem, i change to a different one to confirm this. |
| 03:04.55 | acu | debian is a fullplate fulltime job :) |
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| 03:05.22 | linuxguy | acu its a unstable branch of debian with some little twists....drivers work almost 1st time especially with the smxi tweaks |
| 03:05.55 | acu | OK, that's interesting - I should have known that |
| 03:05.59 | acu | :) |
| 03:06.16 | linuxguy | acu, but its not as powefull as debian |
| 03:06.30 | linuxguy | brb thanks for your helpies they are noted |
| 03:06.39 | acu | I am a masochist - I like to do things the hard way - sweat and swear :) |
| 03:06.53 | acu | :) |
| 03:07.00 | acu | see you around guys |
| 03:07.09 | linuxguy | byee acu |
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| 03:13.33 | scientes | how do i identify which package a file belongs to? |
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| 03:13.53 | abrotman | scientes: apt-file or dpkg |
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| 03:15.15 | linuxguy | craigevil, that command didnt work...shouldnt there be an http after wget? |
| 03:15.30 | craigevil | no wget downloads |
| 03:16.16 | linuxguy | craigevil, thanks.....only sometimes ive seen an http there as well |
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| 03:19.49 | abrotman | stew: ^^ |
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| 03:20.12 | linuxguy | craigevil, i didnt have unzip installed....im installing that now :) |
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| 03:24.06 | sema4r | how can i force sudo to use my PATH and not the reset version ? env_keep doesn't seem to do the trick ... |
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| 03:25.59 | jhutchins | What does it mean when apt-cache search returns filenames, but aptitud install doesn't install them? |
| 03:26.11 | abrotman | filenames or packages? |
| 03:26.40 | jhutchins | d'oh! Already installed, nevermind. |
| 03:27.16 | moozilla | can someone help me, I get permission denied when I try to run a bash script |
| 03:27.48 | worren | it's the 'scroll-lock', not 'pause/break', that is activated by keying any other key. what is the cause? 0the keyboard is not the problem, i change to a different one to confirm this. |
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| 03:28.44 | jhutchins | moozilla: How are you calling it? |
| 03:28.55 | moozilla | I was doing |
| 03:28.56 | moozilla | ./test |
| 03:29.02 | linuxguy | >>damn..seems like uk debian seeerver is down :( |
| 03:29.06 | moozilla | how am I supposed to call it? |
| 03:29.11 | jhutchins | moozilla: Must be chmod +x |
| 03:29.13 | DrJoneszz | Hey guys, I'm trying to install debian (netinstall) on my machine, it's telling me no drivers for the ethernet card can be found, (Atheros, AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E) ... How can I fix this? |
| 03:29.21 | jhutchins | moozilla: otherwise bash test |
| 03:29.28 | jhutchins | or is it bash ./test? |
| 03:29.32 | jhutchins | One of those will work. |
| 03:29.32 | moozilla | bash test works |
| 03:29.34 | moozilla | thanks |
| 03:29.49 | BitUnique | how do i make a usb pen bootable? |
| 03:30.01 | moozilla | so I can chmod something to make ./test work jhutchins? |
| 03:30.10 | BitUnique | i have a bios upgrade in .bin format that i need to write to it |
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| 03:30.24 | jhutchins | yes, chmod +x test && ./test |
| 03:30.41 | worren | the 'scroll-lock'is activated by keying any other key. this happen after i did an 'apt-get upgrade. what is the cause? 0the keyboard is not the problem, i change to a different one to confirm this. |
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| 03:30.59 | jhutchins | BitUnique: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ or look for bootable dos usb drive |
| 03:31.18 | worren | the 'scroll-lock'is activated by keying any other key. this happen after i did an 'apt-get upgrade. what is the cause? the keyboard is not the problem, i change to a different one to confirm this. |
| 03:31.34 | jhutchins | BitUnique: You will probably need a bootable DOS pendrive, and I haven't succeeded yet or I'd show you a howto. |
| 03:32.06 | jhutchins | worren: easy on the repeats, at least let your question scroll off screen. Nobody here right now knows. |
| 03:32.21 | craigevil | worren: keyboard layout changed? xinit in sid has a bug that does that if your using gdm |
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| 03:33.43 | BitUnique | aaaw |
| 03:33.54 | linuxguy | craigevil, im installing unzip from root and i cant connect to the uk seeerver |
| 03:34.08 | BitUnique | any one know how i can flash my GPU bios then? |
| 03:34.20 | craigevil | linuxguy: so switch servers i live in US but i use nl because it tends to be fastre for me |
| 03:34.28 | linuxguy | craigevil, its ok now....took me 10 mins to connect |
| 03:34.35 | abrotman | BitUnique: maybe you should try ##hardware .. they may know some trick |
| 03:34.51 | BitUnique | abrotman: allright |
| 03:35.29 | shyam_k | anyone using offlineimap here? will that crash with python 2.5.2 i am getting error File "offlineimap/bin/offlineimap", line 20, in <module> #### from offlineimap import init ####ImportError: No module named offlineimap |
| 03:35.51 | worren | craigevil: i use 'testing'. kb layout can change in upgrade? the mouse is also weird. scrolling up or down changes the text size! |
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| 03:36.15 | gravity | is trying to fix the kb bug |
| 03:36.20 | craigevil | worren: not sure all i know is sid |
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| 03:37.08 | BitUnique | which burning software is best for console? |
| 03:37.12 | gravity | craigevil: Would you mind testing a fix for the kb bug in a few minutes? |
| 03:37.29 | Ace2027_- | hi all |
| 03:37.31 | gravity | craigevil: Presuming you're affected |
| 03:37.44 | craigevil | gravity: the bug didnt bite me i use US layout and kdm |
| 03:37.53 | gravity | craigevil: Ok, thanks anyway |
| 03:37.56 | Ace2027_- | is there a way to echo $*? echo all the variables when you do echo &[tab][tab]? |
| 03:37.59 | gravity | I'll ask the bug submitter to test then |
| 03:38.02 | craigevil | you might post it in the sidux forum, quite a few people there are having the issue |
| 03:38.08 | gravity | I'm pretty sure I understand what wen wrong |
| 03:38.10 | gravity | fuck sidux |
| 03:38.25 | worren | i do regular backup before the upgrade but which file to restore? |
| 03:38.29 | Ace2027_- | i want to see all the variables to check if they have a bad value in there |
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| 03:38.54 | craigevil | gravity: you do realize they submit quite a few bug fixes and bug report |
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| 03:39.16 | gravity | craigevil: It doesn't matter. I have a very low opinion of the distro. |
| 03:39.23 | GhostlyDeath | How would I use environment variables in the rename command's perl expression? |
| 03:39.33 | gravity | craigevil: It drains resources from direct testing of unstable |
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| 03:40.01 | craigevil | gravity: how is that it is unstable with a tweaked kernel and some scripts |
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| 03:41.14 | gravity | craigevil: Then why aren't they running unstable? |
| 03:41.21 | gravity | craigevil: And reporting bugs to the bts? |
| 03:41.35 | craigevil | gravity: they do report bugs to bts |
| 03:41.47 | gravity | craigevil: Except you just said that I have to go to their forums to get testers. |
| 03:41.56 | gravity | craigevil: That's not productive for me as a DD |
| 03:42.33 | craigevil | posting the fix on the bts or the mailing list would get them to test it, devs keep track of both |
| 03:42.52 | gravity | craigevil: I still think it's a drain on resources and shouldn't exist. There's no good reason for sidux to exist. |
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| 03:43.12 | gravity | Anyway, I've got a bug to fix |
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| 03:43.47 | craigevil | they also contribute packages to debian, touchfreeze is one that i can thnk nof off hand |
| 03:44.06 | gravity | craigevil: They could do that if they worked on Debian instead of sidux |
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| 03:46.39 | craigevil | gravity: i can see your point, i run both sidux on my desktop and debian sid on my eee, not much difference other than a newer kernel |
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| 03:47.26 | dracflamloc | quick q: in lenny, how can i watch .rm format videos? |
| 03:47.45 | gravity | sends his fix to the bug |
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| 03:47.56 | abrotman | but is it the fix? :) |
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| 03:48.49 | gravity | If anyone is having problems with their non-us kb map in sid, try adding "deb http://pkg-xorg.alioth.debian.org/libxi-fix ./" to their sources.list and upgrading their server from there. |
| 03:49.18 | mythomaniac | anyone here using squeeze? |
| 03:49.20 | gravity | abrotman: I haven't tried to reproduce it, so I can't say for sure. That's why we have testers. |
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| 03:50.12 | abrotman | gravity: there was a guy here earlier with that bug |
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| 03:52.47 | gravity | abrotman: Meh, I'm too lazy to track him down :-) |
| 03:53.03 | abrotman | i thnik he's gone |
| 03:53.16 | abrotman | cheekee: see above |
| 03:53.19 | abrotman | guess he wasn't |
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| 03:55.35 | abrotman | wait .. doesn't everyone use a US keymap ? :) |
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| 04:00.03 | matt7676 | If I would like to find all the rows from a file, which have more than two "-" characters, then something like that works: grep "\-.*\-.*" file.txt ? |
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| 04:01.00 | peyman_t | matt7676: grep ".*\-.*\-.*" foo |
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| 04:02.08 | matt7676 | peyman_t: but is'nt grep ".*\-.*\-.*" foo and grep "\-.*\-.*" foo just same? |
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| 04:03.26 | Meta | Current status: 629 new [-23192]. |
| 04:03.27 | Meta | There are 783 newly obsolete packages. <-- What's the deal with this? |
| 04:03.36 | peyman_t | matt7676: hmmm! yeah! actually even "\-.*\-" should work |
| 04:03.55 | gewt | :o |
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| 04:11.38 | TechN9Ne_1730 | i cant seem to set up a user for to use in proftpd, how can i set up a user? |
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| 04:12.39 | TechN9Ne_1730 | proftpd is up and running, just need to add a user |
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| 04:14.28 | thesnark | can somebody have the bot tell me how to upgrade to lenny? |
| 04:14.37 | gnufs | hello all |
| 04:14.38 | gnufs | could someone post his lenny sources.list to pastebin? |
| 04:14.54 | liable | thesnark: /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 04:15.10 | liable | !sources.list |
| 04:15.10 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 04:17.00 | acu | hey guys - I found that krfb is buggy - it does not work on a dual cpu computer running lenny - is anyone aware how to work it out ? |
| 04:17.30 | acu | vnc server (tight-vnc server) have the same problem = they do not work |
| 04:20.03 | gnufs | thanks |
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| 04:22.00 | mythomaniac | anyone here using squeeze? |
| 04:23.41 | liable | !anyone use squeeze? |
| 04:23.41 | dpkg | No, no one uses squeeze, not even the people who use it. |
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| 04:29.28 | newsense | squeeze base system packages arent out yet are they? |
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| 04:30.04 | linuxguy | craigevil, are you here? |
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| 04:38.09 | linuxguy | craigevil, are you here? |
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| 04:41.04 | liable | newsense: i wouldve thought they would be |
| 04:43.25 | newsense | liable: if i'm wrong i'm sorry, but AFAIK squeeze base packages have not been released yet |
| 04:44.05 | liable | newsense: i did a squeeze install the other day, but iirc i deselected base |
| 04:44.23 | liable | but i would be surprised if they arent released |
| 04:45.25 | newsense | liable: i track testing and lsb_release says im running lenny and i have had a few packages updated, but not enough to justify a new version of debian |
| 04:45.37 | prxtien | hey all, something is happening on my system and permissions in /dev/* are getting messed up, a reboot fixes it, but after a while i get problems again |
| 04:45.52 | prxtien | i have noticed my /dev/dahdi/* and /dev/null definatly messed up after about 30 minutes from boot |
| 04:45.58 | liable | newsense: interestingly, i noticed that /etc/debian_version still said 5.0, so your probably right |
| 04:45.59 | prxtien | how can i troubleshoot this kind of problem |
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| 04:48.52 | linuxguy | please anyone know how to install compiz-fusion on lenny?..i can only find bits about lenny testing |
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| 04:51.06 | linuxguy | !compiz |
| 04:51.06 | dpkg | [compiz] a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:52.36 | simonrvn | ok. this set of packages i'm trying to build uses cdbs. i need to tell cdbs to run autogen.sh (the source is from an upstream svn tree). what would i do to tell cdbs to run autogen.sh? |
| 04:53.15 | simonrvn | there's the autotools.mk fragment there but i have no idea how to make cdbs do what i need it to do. |
| 04:53.26 | up365 | linuxguy, http://www.compiz-fusion.org/ then #compiz-fusion |
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| 04:55.32 | BitUnique | can someone explain to me why burn doesnt detect my blank cd when trying to burn a iso? |
| 04:55.38 | linuxguy | up365, thanks |
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| 04:56.24 | pl4yer0ne | BitUnique, user error? |
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| 04:57.09 | BitUnique | pl4yer0ne: no its not "user error" |
| 04:57.30 | DrJoneszz | Hey guys, I'm trying to install debian (netinstall) on my machine, it's telling me no drivers for the ethernet card can be found, (Atheros, AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E) ... How can I fix this? |
| 04:57.52 | x|e | I am having a problem with a dvd writer.. it will write cd's read cd's read dvd's but not write dvd's. ill put a blank disc in burn what i want to burn... the software tells me the burn was successful yet when i put the disc back in it comes up a blank disc... i know it isnt a debian related question but was wondering if anyone can tell me a temp fix or point me in the right direction of a different channel to ask in. |
| 04:57.53 | linuxguy | BitUnique, maybe you have a bad disc or a faulty drive? |
| 04:57.56 | pl4yer0ne | does it give an error? |
| 04:58.45 | BitUnique | nothing is faulty, and it does not give a error other than insert blank cd/dvd. and yes the cd is blank. |
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| 04:59.12 | pl4yer0ne | are you sure its using the correct drive device? |
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| 05:00.35 | BitUnique | well, it should autoselect the correct device i assume, as there is no option in burn to define the device |
| 05:01.06 | pl4yer0ne | BitUnique, run burn-configure |
| 05:01.06 | BitUnique | im so close to throw my laptop against the wall now. |
| 05:02.15 | DrJoneszz | Anyone have any idea how I can fix my issue? I kinda need to install debian ASAP and can't get it to download the netinstall stuff :S |
| 05:03.04 | pl4yer0ne | you may also need to set your cd writer to use scsi |
| 05:03.18 | Caelum | what do I put in /etc/apt/apt.conf to install recommends automatically? |
| 05:03.54 | superjet_busy | Caelum: it's default to do so |
| 05:04.39 | PuraVida | I have a conflict with Perl packages installed via APT. This is a Lenny install from scratch using netinst. http://pastebin.com/m7aff837b. Help much appreciated. |
| 05:04.46 | Caelum | superjet_busy: no it's not... |
| 05:04.56 | BitUnique | pl4yer0ne: thanks |
| 05:05.40 | pl4yer0ne | no prob |
| 05:05.42 | PuraVida | There seems to be a conflict between versions 5.10.0-18 and 5.10.0-19. This is my first crack at Debian, so I'm not familiar with the tools/versioning. |
| 05:05.57 | pickcoder | DrJoneszz: you can either pop in a supported nic or build a custom install CD with a kernel that has the ar8121 support |
| 05:06.02 | superjet_busy | Caelum: etch? |
| 05:06.08 | Caelum | superjet_busy: unstable |
| 05:06.11 | simonrvn | repost: this set of packages i'm trying to build uses cdbs. i need to tell cdbs to run autogen.sh (the source is from an upstream svn tree). what would i do to tell cdbs to run autogen.sh? |
| 05:06.23 | pl4yer0ne | I am off home tho so if you need more help you'll have to ask or google burning cds on debian/linux |
| 05:06.56 | DrJoneszz | pickcoder, sorry I'm not like, that good haha. How would I do that :S |
| 05:07.21 | superjet_busy | Caelum: check files under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
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| 05:11.08 | simonrvn | Caelum: via aptitude it is the default. |
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| 05:12.13 | Caelum | simonrvn: if I do aptitude safe-upgrade it says recommends will not be installed |
| 05:13.01 | simonrvn | Caelum: turn it back on then from the ui. |
| 05:13.33 | simonrvn | F10 (or ^t) then set the option |
| 05:13.45 | badcrc | i just recently installed lenny with the lxde gui, shortly after that i upgraded to sid and tried to install kde, but i can't get it installed. what i do receive is: |
| 05:13.50 | badcrc | kcontrol: Depends: libraw1394-8 which is a virtual package |
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| 05:14.48 | cadu | guys, i have a debian box with very limited harddrive space (1gb) and a SAMBA mount (on a windows box) of 40gb, how can i make use of this 40gb on my /share drive with unix permissions/ownership without having to resort to a kludge like creating a huge 40gb dummy file inside the /share folder and formatting it as ,say , ext2, and "loopmounting" it over the network? thanks in advance... |
| 05:14.51 | Caelum | simonrvn: weird, it's on |
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| 05:15.32 | Ace2027_- | Hi all |
| 05:15.32 | newsense_ | i want to burn some mp3's on a cd from console |
| 05:15.46 | Ace2027_- | is it possible to have 2 versions of libc? |
| 05:16.01 | simonrvn | Caelum: that is weird |
| 05:16.11 | streuner | Ace2027_-: haha |
| 05:16.16 | simonrvn | hm, i think there might be an option to make it do so |
| 05:16.20 | linuxguy | anyone know where to find the compiz-fusion repo on debian please? |
| 05:16.24 | badcrc | but libraw1394-8 isn't available, libraw1394-11 is available and has been installed but i still cannot get kde-core on this new system |
| 05:16.43 | Ace2027_- | streuner: is that a no? |
| 05:16.45 | newsense_ | i want to burn some mp3's on a cd from console, can anyone recommend an app ? |
| 05:16.50 | Ace2027_- | i want to compile libc and zlib and everything all the way up to xorg into /opt/xorg |
| 05:17.46 | streuner | Ace2027_-: yes, thats a NO :-) |
| 05:17.50 | simonrvn | ok, i found something to help me with my question. please disregard. |
| 05:17.57 | Ace2027_- | streuner: why? |
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| 05:18.26 | badcrc | aptitude's output is here: http://pastebin.ca/1342603 |
| 05:18.46 | newsense_ | what do most people use o burn mp3's to a cd from console ? |
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| 05:19.59 | streuner | Ace2027_-: because all other apps on your system are optimized to work only with ONE libc6 :-) |
| 05:21.26 | Ace2027_- | streuner: but i'm installing the other libc into /opt so why won't all the apps i compile with it work with the one in /opt instead of the one system one? |
| 05:22.15 | badcrc | from what i can tell googling, this was also a problem with kde 3.5.4. http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org/msg17089.html |
| 05:22.46 | Ace2027_- | does dpkg have a notes feature? |
| 05:23.05 | Ace2027_- | so it'd say note: recompile stuff if i upgrade or downgrade libc? |
| 05:24.43 | PuraVida | ping? |
| 05:25.39 | Ace2027_- | pong? |
| 05:26.20 | PuraVida | That was reference to my APT/dpkg question earlier. Repost? |
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| 05:28.25 | Icemang | I'm trying virtualization with Xen and need a vanilla initramfs image to use, since the one generated for my system is unsuitable for a guest virtual machine. Is there a generic initramfs for Lenny? |
| 05:28.52 | mns | I've got an external 1TB hard drive that I've got connected to my laptop via USB. Anyone know how to get my Lenny system to mount the drive ? Either manually or automagically. |
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| 05:29.46 | Ace2027_- | PuraVida: did you try with aptitude? it handles those issues better and gives you options, if you don't like the first option it gives say no and it'll propose anotehr untill you get what you want |
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| 05:30.34 | Ace2027_- | mns: does it show up in /dev/? |
| 05:30.52 | streuner | mns: /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 05:31.10 | PuraVida | Ace2027_-: I did browse the packages using aptitude earlier, but didn't attempt to install. Do they share the same package database? |
| 05:31.31 | Ace2027_- | yup |
| 05:32.05 | Ace2027_- | aptitude is better in my opinion |
| 05:32.36 | Ace2027_- | you can do aptitude install firefox -R and it will ignore the recommended dependencies which are sometimes way too over the top |
| 05:33.09 | Ace2027_- | anyone know how to get a list of all recommended packages currently installed? |
| 05:33.35 | linuxguy | !compiz |
| 05:33.35 | dpkg | compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:33.40 | streuner | try dpkg -l | less |
| 05:34.03 | mns | Ace2027_-: I'm not sure what I'm looking for in /dev. I do see something at /dev/bus/usb/005/001 |
| 05:34.18 | streuner | mns: use the bot |
| 05:34.29 | Ace2027_- | mns: ok, does fdisk -l show the drive? |
| 05:34.36 | streuner | !usb storage |
| 05:34.36 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 05:35.12 | streuner | cat /proc/partitions do the tric |
| 05:35.17 | matt7676 | 2mbps is how many bps? 2000000? |
| 05:36.09 | mns | streuner: /proc/partitions has an entry for it. but I don't see anything under /dev/ though. |
| 05:36.37 | mns | streuner: also usb-storage and sd_mod are loaded as per lsmod |
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| 05:36.57 | streuner | mns, show us the output of cat in paste.debian.net |
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| 05:38.52 | mns | http://paste.debian.net/28793/ |
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| 05:39.55 | PuraVida | Ace2027_-: aptitude seems to have handed off to dpkg to downgrade perl-base so that Perl can be installed. |
| 05:39.59 | streuner | mns, and lsusb list the external HDẞ |
| 05:40.02 | FakeLife | Can someone please tell me how I would find our my Xorg version? |
| 05:40.20 | streuner | mns, and lsusb list the external HD? |
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| 05:41.10 | PuraVida | Encouraging, but this will be a server and needs to be scriptable so the need for aptitude concerns me. Any idea what could have gone wrong? It's a fresh install. Only 'less' and 'emacs21' were installed other than the base system. |
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| 05:42.33 | PuraVida | and oddly, the downgraded perl-base *-18 has exactly the same hash as the previous *-19 |
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| 05:43.26 | simonrvn | FakeLife: X -version doesn't work for you? or dpkg -l xorg ? |
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| 05:44.56 | FakeLife | simonrvn: I'm a linux newb. Thanks for the help. |
| 05:45.19 | simonrvn | hehe np |
| 05:45.25 | chicao | Hi folks, my notebook have a hotkey to active the wireless card ... I install the module to my wireless card but it still not working because the hotkey, some one can help ? |
| 05:45.30 | Icemang | Is there a way to obtain an initramfs image for a plain Lenny installation for use in virtualization? I'd use the one for my system but it tries to load device mapper drivers which are unneccessary. |
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| 05:46.38 | mns | streuner: Look at the pastebin again. I added a comment with the lsusb output. It doesn't seem to mention the HDD manufacturer or anything. |
| 05:48.32 | streuner | mns: well, just paste the line here |
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| 05:49.01 | mns | Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub |
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| 05:49.12 | LemensTS | how do i see the differences between 2 files |
| 05:49.16 | Ace2027_- | PuraVida: it lists 5.10.0-19 here, have you tried anoter repo? http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=perl |
| 05:49.41 | teratoma | LemensTS: diff file1 file2 |
| 05:49.50 | streuner | mns: no, thats not the external USB HD |
| 05:50.13 | mns | What would I be seeing for the external HDD ? |
| 05:50.55 | simonrvn | did Joeeigel get k-lined already? |
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| 05:51.11 | streuner | Bus 005 Device 007: ID 1058:1100 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. |
| 05:51.16 | streuner | something like that |
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| 05:51.46 | simonrvn | ah i see he did. thanks |
| 05:52.06 | mns | I got something like that when I attached the device. It showed up in the console .. |
| 05:52.29 | streuner | mns: unplug the HD (USB) and replug it, just look at /var/log/syslog and/or /var/log/messages AND dmesg |
| 05:52.59 | streuner | mns: you need to know, DOES the kernel SEE the HD or not... |
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| 05:54.32 | mns | streuner: I see it in dmesg .. you want me to paste it in pastebin ? |
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| 05:54.56 | streuner | Feb 20 06:54:41 amset NetworkManager: <debug> [1235109281.740616] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_7D9B_CC8D'). |
| 05:55.06 | streuner | mns, un |
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| 05:55.26 | streuner | mns, thats the output of /var/log/syslog after i replugged the HD... |
| 05:55.45 | mns | I didn't get anything in syslog or messages .. only in dmesg |
| 05:55.54 | streuner | ok |
| 05:56.02 | streuner | show us in paste.debian.net |
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| 05:57.02 | mns | Its there on http://paste.debian.net/28793/ |
| 05:57.55 | streuner | thats the old entry, not dmesg |
| 05:57.56 | magyar | hi ,trying to backup to an DLT-v4 scsi tape drive but keep getting "st0: Write not multiple of tape block size" |
| 05:58.22 | mns | Its the 2nd comment on that pastebin .. |
| 05:59.31 | streuner | mns: please wrote dmesg in a new poste |
| 06:00.01 | firefox | nooo! |
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| 06:00.23 | mns | 28794 is the new pastebin .. |
| 06:00.30 | firefox | can I have your hd? |
| 06:00.44 | mns | firefox: mine ? |
| 06:01.25 | streuner | mns, well its sdb then |
| 06:01.36 | firefox | who ever is gonna damage their laptop haha |
| 06:01.48 | streuner | mns, mount /dev/sdb(x) /mnt/usb should do the tric then |
| 06:02.29 | mns | streuner: thats the problem, there is no /dev/sdbX for me to mount though. |
| 06:02.44 | arezey | mns, sudo fdisk -l |
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| 06:03.08 | firefox | I'm using a 4gb hd right now... and its not flash |
| 06:03.15 | mns | only /dev/sda partitions are listed. |
| 06:03.27 | streuner | mns, you need to mount partitions NOT the whole HD /dev/sdb |
| 06:03.31 | mns | lol firefox .. I've been there ... |
| 06:03.44 | mns | streuner: yup .. that much I know :) |
| 06:03.49 | streuner | good |
| 06:03.53 | streuner | so just do it |
| 06:04.06 | firefox | mns: its got 1gb of ram though haha |
| 06:04.26 | mns | but with no /dev/sdb3 to mount (that's the partition according to /proc/partition) I can't mount it. |
| 06:04.48 | streuner | whats the error? |
| 06:05.13 | streuner | what happens if you run "mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt/usb"? |
| 06:05.25 | mns | streuner: mount: special device /dev/sdb3 does not exist |
| 06:05.25 | mns | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:05.50 | streuner | mns, dpkg -l udev |
| 06:05.50 | PuraVida | Ace2027_-: That's what I didn't understand. Perl seemed to need the latest, but didn't get it automatically when upgrading |
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| 06:06.11 | PuraVida | it's installed now though, at v *-18. It needed a manual downgrade |
| 06:06.33 | mns | I've got udev installed. If I attache my camera it works fine :) |
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| 06:07.13 | arezey | mns, well, if fdisk doesn't list sdb linux can't see it. something's wrong |
| 06:07.35 | Ace2027_- | PuraVida: aptitude upgrade not help? |
| 06:08.17 | Jurkki | hello. i'm trying to upgrade my server from etch to lenny. i'm a bit hesitant since the first step of upgrading aptitude suggests removing linux-kernel-headers. am i too jumpy on this one or is it perfectly safe? |
| 06:08.46 | streuner | arezey: http://paste.debian.net/28793 |
| 06:09.07 | streuner | arezey: linux can see it, cat /proc/partitions show an output |
| 06:09.12 | arezey | oh? |
| 06:09.15 | arezey | then fdisk fails |
| 06:09.40 | arezey | or, udev perhaps |
| 06:09.48 | arezey | use MAKEDEV? |
| 06:10.28 | Jurkki | http://paste.debian.net/28795/ |
| 06:11.13 | mns | arezey: .udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
| 06:11.25 | kabotage_ | what does -rf mean? |
| 06:11.33 | arezey | jurkki, AFAIK, linux-kernel-headers are build-related stuff, i think it's safe |
| 06:11.39 | arezey | kabotage_, recursive and force |
| 06:11.54 | arezey | kabotage_, or, do it on directories and do not ask questions ;) |
| 06:12.12 | kabotage_ | ahh. thanks. i thought it was refresh :D |
| 06:12.20 | nsadmin | kabotage_: it has no meaning unless you say what context the -rf apears in |
| 06:12.30 | Jurkki | well ok then. thanks arezey |
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| 06:13.21 | kabotage_ | nsadmin: rm -rf = remove recursive and force |
| 06:13.31 | streuner | mns, what does "ls -l /dev/sdb3" ? say? |
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| 06:13.55 | mns | streuner: ls: cannot access /dev/sdb3: No such file or directory |
| 06:14.18 | streuner | hm, udev didnt create the entry, no idea why |
| 06:14.23 | Ace2027_- | Jurkki: install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 or the correct one for your arch after you upgrade |
| 06:14.25 | nsadmin | aha, so then the context is rm. you should know rm is very powerful, in fact capable of destroying your whole system... sometimes it will do that if you put an extra space... |
| 06:14.29 | arezey | mns, streuner, perhaps temporarly kill udev and use MAKEDEV? |
| 06:15.03 | nsadmin | be careful with recursive options on these kinds of commands... also chmod and chown |
| 06:15.24 | mns | arezey: ./MAKEDEV sdb in the /dev directory ? |
| 06:15.32 | kabotage_ | nsadmin: yep, thats why i asked for the meaning of -rf. thanks for the info |
| 06:15.47 | arezey | mns, and the partitions too, if they don't appear. i haven't used MAKEDEV much |
| 06:15.53 | Ace2027_- | arezey: was it plugged in at boot? tried unplugging it and plugging it back in after a few seconds? |
| 06:16.08 | arezey | ace2027_, it's not my problem, mns:s |
| 06:16.14 | nsadmin | kabotage_ I'm glad to see that curiousity |
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| 06:16.25 | Ace2027_- | mns: : was it plugged in at boot? tried unplugging it and plugging it back in after a few seconds? |
| 06:16.32 | arezey | kabotage_, man rm, it shows that and the rest too |
| 06:16.55 | mns | Ace2027_-: it wasn't plugged in at boot. I have tried plugging it in, and unpluging it, turning it off and turning it on .. |
| 06:17.07 | nsadmin | that's not a bad idea... |
| 06:17.17 | worren | how to find the solution to a reported bug? its bug #514846. |
| 06:17.35 | streuner | !dbugs 514846 |
| 06:17.39 | dpkg | #514846:I[xkb-data] UK AT keyboard does not work on IBM compatible computers (); Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:06:04 UTC [] |
| 06:17.48 | enouf | mns: dmesg | tail say much? also; is there a small physical locking switch? |
| 06:18.05 | enouf | (what is it anyway?) |
| 06:18.18 | enouf | some usb key? a cf card? |
| 06:18.26 | streuner | USB HD |
| 06:18.40 | mns | Its a 1TB LaCie drive. Was working fine on my tower, but wanted to attach to my laptop to copy over via USB .. |
| 06:18.45 | enouf | hrm .. can those be u3 things? |
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| 06:18.53 | mns | u3 ? |
| 06:18.55 | streuner | enouf, udev doesnt create the needed entry for it |
| 06:19.01 | enouf | !u3 |
| 06:19.01 | dpkg | u3 is probably a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS in ... |
| 06:19.06 | streuner | enouf: no /dev/sdb3 |
| 06:19.11 | enouf | streuner: is udevd running? |
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| 06:19.21 | BirdInTux | I am having some problems getting java plug in to install is this a known problem right now? |
| 06:19.22 | enouf | mmmm: pgrep udevd |
| 06:19.25 | arezey | enouf, MAKEDEV failed. i guess so |
| 06:19.27 | streuner | enouf, its installed, but let ask him |
| 06:19.35 | enouf | er mns i meant, not mmmm |
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| 06:19.49 | mns | it was running. I just shut it down. I'll bring it back up and see what it does. |
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| 06:20.10 | streuner | mns, /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 06:20.29 | worren | streuner: where to get the soln to the bug? |
| 06:20.58 | mns | aha!! that seems to have fixed it. I've got the /dev/sdb3 partition in /dev/ now :) |
| 06:21.17 | arezey | thinking that udev was defunct |
| 06:21.18 | mns | and its mounted as well ... /media/usb0 .. |
| 06:21.19 | Wolfcastle | has anyone tried ext4 with debian lenny? |
| 06:22.27 | Ace2027_- | lenny doesn't have a new enough kernel for ext4 does it? |
| 06:22.35 | enouf | arezey: that .. or the usb ports/controller were in a sleep state |
| 06:22.53 | enouf | s/sleep/sleep or failed or suspend / whatever |
| 06:22.55 | CaT[t3] | ace: there isn't a new enough kernel for ext4 judging by the contents of linux-kernel mailing list :) |
| 06:23.02 | mns | Ace2027_-: there is support for ext4 in Lenny |
| 06:23.11 | worren | is there no soln to bug #514846? |
| 06:23.25 | worren | yet? |
| 06:23.34 | arezey | enouf, aha.. |
| 06:23.42 | enouf | arezey: something like http://alienghic.livejournal.com/382903.html |
| 06:23.43 | stew | mns: userspace support, but not kernel support yet without a custom kernel |
| 06:24.27 | mns | stew: ahhh ok. |
| 06:24.36 | enouf | streuner: good work |
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| 06:25.03 | stew | mns: requires 2.6.28, which isn't in debian yet |
| 06:25.06 | stew | its in NEW though |
| 06:25.09 | BitUnique | now that we're on the topic of usb - is there any one that can help me put FreeDos on a usb stick? |
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| 06:25.58 | worren | bug #514846 affects US kb too. |
| 06:26.09 | mns | Thanks streuner, arezey, Ace2027_- enouf ... |
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| 06:26.35 | enouf | stew: nice, no need for even buildserver for .28 :-) |
| 06:26.43 | streuner | mns, that happens not often (udev sleeping) |
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| 06:26.52 | Ace2027_- | stew: where is NEW? is it newer then experimental? |
| 06:26.54 | enouf | mns: no prob |
| 06:27.12 | enouf | Ace2027_-: part of the migration system |
| 06:27.29 | Ace2027_- | oh, never heard of the migration system |
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| 06:28.09 | tim__ | hello I installed a new debian installation and then I want to compile qt-4.5-rc1 -> message: http://rafb.net/p/TRlemV73.html - anybody here who can help my blind eys? - I think the makefiles are wrong, but how can happen this? |
| 06:28.20 | Ace2027_- | enouf: migration from ubuntu to debian? |
| 06:28.26 | enouf | Ace2027_-: no |
| 06:29.04 | Ace2027_- | i found a blog post with Server Migration From Ubuntu 8.04 To Debian 5.0 |
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| 06:29.45 | enouf | Ace2027_-: from devs (experimental) down into sid, then testing - but also, new houses stuff that's about to be uploaded to the ftp servers - IINM - but that's the best i can explain it - i don't know the migration system as well as others |
| 06:29.47 | Ace2027_- | tim__: i don't think kde4.2 compiles against it yet |
| 06:30.21 | worren | is there no soln to bug #514846? |
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| 06:30.21 | Ace2027_- | enouf: do you know where i can read up on it? |
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| 06:31.43 | tim__ | Ace2027_-: I don't want to compile kde .. I am a developer who compile qt software .... now I need debian for testing - but it does not work - and I don't know why |
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| 06:32.04 | worren | ? |
| 06:32.04 | tim__ | even I install qt from packages ... I can't compile qt applications |
| 06:32.18 | valdyn | tim__: you installed the -dev package too? |
| 06:32.24 | tim__ | yes |
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| 06:33.26 | valdyn | tim__: and what about that error message that tells you that you dont have g++ ? |
| 06:33.31 | enouf | Ace2027_-: deb docs, somewhere - maybe policy or the nmg - but here, grab it from here for now; http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ i'll bb soon |
| 06:33.31 | valdyn | tim__: g++ installed? |
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| 06:36.26 | tim__ | yes I think so - I compiled kernel before |
| 06:36.44 | valdyn | tim__: hehe, why dont you verify instead of think |
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| 06:37.34 | tim__ | I used only gentoo and windows before I had installed debian yesterday ... one minute |
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| 06:41.10 | enouf | Ace2027_-: here's the new area http://ftp-master.debian.org/ |
| 06:42.14 | nsadmin | waduzido? |
| 06:43.00 | enouf | - iwlagn driver for Intel Wifi Link 5100 and 5300. (closes: #501157) (ohhh shiny) |
| 06:43.24 | Ace2027_- | enouf: thanks |
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| 06:44.30 | celeritas | does anyone know if Ekiga might be borked with OSS? |
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| 06:44.57 | celeritas | "No devices found", though most other apps (including skype-oss and flash) work perfectly |
| 06:47.15 | enouf | thinks tim__ need some b-e |
| 06:48.38 | stoned | cogito. |
| 06:48.44 | stoned | ergo... Debian. |
| 06:48.48 | stoned | good stuff. |
| 06:48.54 | stoned | good stuff indeed. |
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| 06:49.55 | stoned | !debian |
| 06:49.55 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 06:50.01 | stoned | !lenny |
| 06:50.01 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 06:50.20 | stoned | !lenny release notes |
| 06:50.20 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask about <i-g>, <installer firmware> |
| 06:50.23 | tim__ | enouf: now my debian is broken ... which packages belong to g++? |
| 06:50.35 | tim__ | I have no network after reboot |
| 06:50.37 | stoned | argh! |
| 06:50.50 | enouf | tim__: install build-essential |
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| 06:51.44 | tim__ | thx enouf I will try it |
| 06:54.30 | nsadmin | I'd like to hear comparisons between trying to build 2.6.28 with etch and its compilers and those of lenny... here's mine: unless I use a specific version which I forgot, it won't build. I'll try it again in a few mins and give details as they come in |
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| 06:56.06 | simonrvn | worked fine here |
| 06:56.15 | nsadmin | on which? |
| 06:56.56 | nsadmin | etch? lenny? which version of... umm... howbout make and gcc |
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| 06:57.54 | maxagaz | hi |
| 06:58.04 | maxagaz | what's the difference between ldap and ldapi ? |
| 06:58.11 | nsadmin | i |
| 06:58.30 | maxagaz | thanks, that helps me a lot |
| 06:58.33 | nsadmin | or -i :) |
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| 06:58.37 | carcus__ | :) |
| 06:59.46 | nsadmin | maybe ldapi is api of ld (except that doesn't really make sense, I've also never heard of that) |
| 07:00.13 | nsadmin | maxagaz what would help more than the comparison? |
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| 07:01.06 | celeritas | nsadmin: it's not building on lenny? |
| 07:01.35 | nsadmin | celeritas: I'm actually guessing it will (I dont' run lenny yet) |
| 07:02.19 | nsadmin | I did get it to build under etch but I actually don't remember how |
| 07:03.25 | celeritas | nsadmin: worked for me immediately, with an upgraded gcc |
| 07:03.56 | simonrvn | nsadmin: both |
| 07:04.13 | TechN9Ne_1730 | i made user X owner of /var/www but i still cant upload files to www via ftp, i get a permision denied error. I also chmod var/www to 755, how can i get the current user permision to upload? |
| 07:04.16 | celeritas | gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) << worked fine here |
| 07:04.49 | enouf | nsadmin: the gcc version wouldn't have been bumped up to 4.3.x if gcc-4.1.x <=> gcc-4.3.x (i know there's a lot more software involved though ;-)) .. tried with the newer make-kpkg version ? |
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| 07:05.43 | celeritas | oh, I never used kpkg, should have probably |
| 07:05.47 | enouf | nsadmin: although, i would certainly atleast bump up all my build stuff, even if still running etch |
| 07:05.58 | simonrvn | make-kpkg |
| 07:06.10 | enouf | kernel-package :-) |
| 07:06.16 | simonrvn | !kp |
| 07:06.16 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps> |
| 07:06.31 | simonrvn | oh fucking hell |
| 07:06.41 | simonrvn | updates it |
| 07:07.11 | nsadmin | enouf like from backports? |
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| 07:08.45 | simonrvn | bit better. i know the new newbiedoc on berlios doesn't have the kernel building stuff... |
| 07:08.50 | enouf | nsadmin: what are you asking exactly? the build tool/utils? |
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| 07:09.11 | nsadmin | ok, let's see if I can piece this together... |
| 07:09.52 | enouf | nsadmin: sure .. i guess since a new libc6 would mean a release bumpup |
| 07:09.55 | simonrvn | etch's build stuff is getting old... not stuff like gcc and friends, but the debian stuff mostly. |
| 07:10.03 | nsadmin | I did build a 2.6.28 from etch using make-kpkg... but at this point I don't remember which compiler I used |
| 07:10.17 | simonrvn | i used the default |
| 07:10.40 | enouf | nsadmin: right - the ever important /usr/bin/gcc symlink ;-) (if no CC=gcc-version) flags weren't passed ;-) |
| 07:10.54 | simonrvn | only thing i did differently on that ex-etch box was install and set up ccache |
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| 07:11.00 | nsadmin | ymm, something's wrong with my build chain then... I'll figure it oug |
| 07:11.02 | nsadmin | t |
| 07:11.05 | diablo | hi guys |
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| 07:11.16 | nsadmin | if only I could remember how to spell oug |
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| 07:11.24 | diablo | i wanna know if the last version of debian have kde inside ? |
| 07:11.24 | nsadmin | OUT |
| 07:11.28 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:11.38 | nsadmin | argh. |
| 07:11.41 | simonrvn | diablo: it has for a while... |
| 07:11.47 | enouf | diablo: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 07:11.56 | simonrvn | maybe ask some more specific... |
| 07:12.02 | nsadmin | mine has AMD inside! |
| 07:12.16 | simonrvn | something* |
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| 07:12.20 | diablo | enouf : and can i install a kde3 ? |
| 07:12.24 | simonrvn | my spelling going to shit too ;p |
| 07:12.34 | simonrvn | see? |
| 07:12.34 | enouf | diablo: kde3.x is in lenny |
| 07:12.39 | celeritas | kde 3.5.9 still has some keyboard issues (I believe it's a window manager bug) |
| 07:13.18 | diablo | okay will do it, i installed it and i have gnome |
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| 07:13.33 | enouf | it? the wild thing? |
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| 07:15.35 | enouf | nsadmin: to me (although i'm no expert in the field) it's certainly acceptable to upgrade the system, in pieces (or in part) from Stable to something newer, _so_long_as_ the one doing so i a competent debian admin (you know what i mean) |
| 07:15.51 | simonrvn | backports... |
| 07:16.02 | enouf | nsadmin: (and has backups) ;-) |
| 07:16.18 | dondelelcaro | generally, if you need to ask whether you can upgrade in parts, you shouldn't |
| 07:16.22 | enouf | that's part of being competent :-P |
| 07:16.58 | enouf | dondelelcaro: that kind of applies to most things, doesn't it? :-) |
| 07:17.09 | enouf | (the need to ask bit) |
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| 07:18.39 | enouf | but .. in your case nsadmin, and since Lenny has been released, is there any reason not to bump up to Stable? |
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| 07:25.07 | TechN9Ne_1730 | i made user X owner of /var/www but i still cant upload files to www via ftp, i get a permision denied error. I also chmod var/www to 755, how can i get the current user permision to upload? |
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| 07:26.23 | Supaplex | can said user via ssh ls -l /var/www ? |
| 07:26.39 | Supaplex | ssh or shell |
| 07:27.35 | TechN9Ne_1730 | yes, short version of what was returned: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root |
| 07:27.47 | slim_ | hello all, after installing debian now i face trubles with my wirless card, it is netgear wg311v3 and it is already installed using ndiswrapper but i can't get it up, anyone can help me to solve it ? |
| 07:27.50 | diablo | take a look in pureftp i think it works great |
| 07:28.19 | TechN9Ne_1730 | Supaplex: btw great name, and great game :p |
| 07:28.30 | Supaplex | and great game anddddd yes it is. :) |
| 07:28.42 | Supaplex | TechN9Ne_1730: ls -ld /var/www/ |
| 07:29.25 | TechN9Ne_1730 | Supaplex: drwxr-xr-x 2 X root |
| 07:29.46 | Supaplex | TechN9Ne_1730: are you running selinux? |
| 07:29.55 | TechN9Ne_1730 | nope debian minimal |
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| 07:30.57 | Supaplex | I'd install strace, and run that on the daemon(s). strace -Ffo ftp.txt -p $(pidof ftpd) |
| 07:31.00 | Supaplex | or etc. |
| 07:34.21 | TechN9Ne_1730 | Supaplex: apt-get mirrors are down right now :( |
| 07:34.45 | nsadmin | down?! |
| 07:34.55 | Supaplex | there's no place like ::1 |
| 07:35.18 | TechN9Ne_1730 | Failed to fetch http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org' |
| 07:35.55 | nsadmin | try a different mirror... they can't be all down |
| 07:36.22 | TechN9Ne_1730 | wheres the source list at? i forgot |
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| 07:36.33 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.38 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.49 | nsadmin | me like m4! |
| 07:37.04 | simonrvn | nsadmin: i'd like to see yours sometime |
| 07:37.10 | Supaplex | ditto :) |
| 07:37.14 | nsadmin | ok |
| 07:37.24 | simonrvn | TechN9Ne_1730: um, that looks like a dns issue not an apt issue |
| 07:38.19 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.ca/1342655 |
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| 07:40.21 | TechN9Ne_1730 | eh i think im going to proabably go to bed and try tommorow |
| 07:40.32 | TechN9Ne_1730 | but thanks for the help everyone |
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| 07:42.28 | advorak | howdy! |
| 07:42.33 | enouf | slim_: which debian? show us your device lspci -nn output, or is it usb? |
| 07:42.42 | simonrvn | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 07:43.19 | slim_ | hello enouf , debian lenny moment i get lspci |
| 07:43.22 | backslash7 | 1;3D |
| 07:43.22 | advorak | hey it's been forever since I installed debian, but, does debian block ports by default? and if so, where must I enable them (such as to unblock port 3000) ...? |
| 07:43.52 | simonrvn | nsadmin: that fucking rocks |
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| 07:44.21 | simonrvn | so you run m4 on it and generates a sources.list? |
| 07:44.24 | slim_ | enouf: this is the part for ethrnet card " 05:01.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03) " |
| 07:45.19 | enouf | slim_: how does that help us? or your wg311v netgear issue? |
| 07:45.59 | enouf | slim_: and ... that's not lspci -nn output |
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| 07:46.29 | enouf | slim_: try lsusb -v (if it's usb) |
| 07:46.42 | slim_ | it is pci |
| 07:47.04 | enouf | slim_: pastebin entire lspci -nnk output |
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| 07:47.13 | slim_ | ok |
| 07:47.40 | backslash7 | vampirefrog: your own irc client written in C? ^^ |
| 07:47.51 | vampirefrog | yes |
| 07:47.53 | vampirefrog | uhm |
| 07:48.01 | vampirefrog | how come u're replying here and not on ##linux? |
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| 07:48.17 | backslash7 | vampirefrog: Messing around with irssi's multiple windows thingy :P sorry |
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| 07:48.47 | vampirefrog | yarr |
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| 07:50.02 | carpii__ | i did a minimal install of debian, but now i want to add an ssh server. which is normally installed? openssh-server or lsh-server? |
| 07:50.13 | slim_ | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/iuSSJC82.html |
| 07:50.43 | simonrvn | (yeh, i know stupid question) |
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| 07:51.11 | advorak | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.55 | simonrvn | carpii__: open* |
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| 07:52.07 | enouf | slim_: this is the only wireless item 05:01.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless [11ab:1faa] (rev 03) |
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| 07:52.14 | simonrvn | lsh is a bit of an oddball |
| 07:52.26 | slim_ | yes enouf this is the one i want to work |
| 07:52.48 | slim_ | enouf: ndiswrapper -l result is" mrv8335 : driver installed ... device (11AB:1FAA) present " |
| 07:53.25 | slim_ | i can't load ndiswrapper as module |
| 07:53.34 | carpii__ | thanks simonrvn |
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| 07:53.40 | enouf | slim_: ok - so ... you have wireless-tools installed? lsmod | egrep 'mrv8335|ndis' |
| 07:53.59 | enouf | what? why not slim_ ? |
| 07:54.10 | slim_ | enouf: no result |
| 07:54.29 | enouf | slim_: so, what happens when you modprobe? |
| 07:54.35 | slim_ | maybe i do something stupid in installing ndiswrapper it seem that module not build |
| 07:54.43 | enouf | slim_: http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper |
| 07:55.23 | slim_ | thanks enouf i know my wrong now, i will reinstall it again |
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| 07:55.50 | enouf | slim_: note; seems .28 has support, so then you won't need ndiswrapper anymore ;-) |
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| 07:56.13 | slim_ | hmm |
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| 07:56.59 | slim_ | enouf: where i can read about this, if it support it will be very good |
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| 07:57.28 | celeritas | is it normal to have glx version 1.4? |
| 07:58.32 | slim_ | enouf: i will use ndiswrapper untill install .28 :) |
| 07:58.39 | carpii__ | ok i installed sshd, and it says its running but i cant connect :/ I cant see iptables runnig either |
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| 07:58.53 | enouf | slim_: 11.3. Network http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28 (however, there seems to be SO many libertas variants, i'm not certain now) |
| 07:59.03 | enouf | slim_: correct |
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| 07:59.19 | enouf | slim_: * libertas_tf: New driver supporting "Marvell 8xxx Libertas WLAN driver support with thin firmware" and "Marvell Libertas 8388 USB 802.11b/g cards with thin firmware" (commit 1, 2, 3, 4, 5) |
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| 08:00.04 | carpii__ | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.52 port 22: Connection refused --- no firewall and sshd is running. what else could cause this ? |
| 08:00.04 | slim_ | enouf: that's good, i have two cards, from this :) |
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| 08:00.19 | PuraVida | Ace2027_-: Sorry, had to step out for a bit. Aptitude downgraded perl-base to v. *-18 so that Perl v. *-18 would install... and it did. Many thanks for your help. I'm going to play with apt-get for a while to try to understand why it wouldn't (and still won't) install v *-19. |
| 08:01.25 | enouf | well - i'm pretty sure, after looking at the Kconfig file that it's the 8xxx ones option and that thin firmware thing |
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| 08:01.30 | simonrvn | carpii__: iptables doesn't "run" |
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| 08:01.37 | simonrvn | carpii__: is it listening there? |
| 08:01.47 | enouf | config LIBERTAS_THINFIRM tristate "Marvell 8xxx Libertas WLAN driver support with thin firmware" |
| 08:02.05 | carpii__ | simon, sshd appears to be lietsning on 22, yes |
| 08:02.06 | simonrvn | celeritas: well, i'm on sid and i have: GL_VERSION: 1.3 Mesa 7.0.4 |
| 08:02.15 | stew | !connection refused |
| 08:02.15 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 08:02.21 | simonrvn | carpii__: and that ip too (or all)? |
| 08:02.46 | Supaplex | yay for tcptraceroute :) |
| 08:02.46 | carpii__ | netstat says its globbed to * |
| 08:02.56 | celeritas | simonrvn: I've got an app refusing to run without OpenGL 2.1 |
| 08:02.58 | simonrvn | stew: i always forget about that one, thanks |
| 08:03.19 | simonrvn | celeritas: some windows crap thing? |
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| 08:03.24 | stew | carpii__: show us the exact line from netstat |
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| 08:04.06 | carpii__ | tcp 0 0 *:ssh *.* LISTEN |
| 08:04.08 | celeritas | simonrvn: no, a Linux 64-bit binary |
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| 08:04.25 | carpii__ | and theres a similar line for tcp6 |
| 08:04.28 | simonrvn | celeritas: wtf did it get ogl 2.1? |
| 08:04.56 | carpii__ | could it be anything to do with /etc/hosts.allow ? |
| 08:04.58 | twisted` | 0_o my locales are b0rked cause it cannot install glibc-2.9-1 |
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| 08:05.21 | celeritas | simonrvn: hmm it's a bug in the app, and GLX does not correlate to OGL version |
| 08:05.31 | Supaplex | !lart b0rked locales |
| 08:05.31 | dpkg | pours gasoline all over b0rked locales, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
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| 08:06.17 | twisted` | werd. |
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| 08:06.56 | twisted` | weird cause my virtualbox was installed last week from businesscard 4xx and now 5xx |
| 08:07.01 | twisted` | and now it's completely fubar |
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| 08:07.52 | anewbie | hi there folks |
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| 08:07.58 | anewbie | can some one tellme one reposityory where i can find libssl-dev |
| 08:07.59 | anewbie | ?! |
| 08:08.08 | Supaplex | anewbie: packages.debian.org |
| 08:08.25 | anewbie | is there variant for sources.list for that |
| 08:08.26 | anewbie | ? |
| 08:08.38 | stew | anewbie: any debian 'main' repository |
| 08:08.44 | anewbie | geee |
| 08:08.54 | stew | anewbie: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 08:08.55 | tim__ | if I want to install this http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/telepathy-glib - which is the right way under debian? - I am new under debian too ;) |
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| 08:09.21 | enouf | stew: has judd been updated - or are we still in limbo? |
| 08:09.33 | stew | judd: versions libssl-dev |
| 08:09.34 | judd | stew: libssl-dev -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch3 etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch4 lenny: 0.9.8g-15 sid: 0.9.8g-15 squeeze: 0.9.8g-15 |
| 08:09.50 | enouf | oh Shiny! |
| 08:09.55 | fallenhitokiri | should it be possible to upgrade a vserver to lenny without upgrading the host? |
| 08:09.56 | stew | and judd is new and improved: |
| 08:10.03 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:10de |
| 08:10.04 | judd | stew: [8086:10de] is '82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=8086:10de |
| 08:10.06 | Supaplex | fallenhitokiri: why of course |
| 08:10.15 | enouf | stew: nice work ;-) |
| 08:10.20 | nsadmin | juddfu! |
| 08:10.20 | enouf | AHA! |
| 08:10.26 | stew | judd: kconfig CIFS |
| 08:10.27 | judd | stew: Searching for 'CIFS' in lenny kernel config gives CIFS=m CIFS_WEAK_PW_HASH=y CIFS_XATTR=y CIFS_POSIX=y CIFS_EXPERIMENTAL=y CIFS_UPCALL=y CIFS_DFS_UPCALL=y. |
| 08:10.29 | enouf | !hug themill |
| 08:10.29 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around themill |
| 08:10.37 | enouf | omg ... whoa |
| 08:10.42 | fallenhitokiri | Supaplex: I'm not sure the first test resultat in a crashed klogd in my vserver (uninstalling helped) and it seems to work. But I wanted to be sure before I kill my server *g* |
| 08:10.47 | nsadmin | wait what's that? |
| 08:10.49 | enouf | stop showing off! :-) |
| 08:11.08 | carpii__ | stew, any more suggestions on ssh please? |
| 08:11.09 | stew | enouf: don't thank me, i did little more than "git fetch themill ; git merge themill" |
| 08:11.11 | Supaplex | fallenhitokiri: try to be clear. guest? host? |
| 08:11.21 | enouf | judd kconfig LIBERTAS |
| 08:11.21 | judd | enouf: Searching for 'LIBERTAS' in lenny kernel config gives LIBERTAS=m LIBERTAS_USB=m LIBERTAS_CS=m LIBERTAS_SDIO=m. |
| 08:11.28 | stew | carpii__: can you connect to it on localhost? |
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| 08:11.34 | nsadmin | judd kconfig XEN |
| 08:11.34 | judd | nsadmin: Searching for 'XEN' in lenny kernel config gives NETXEN_NIC=m. |
| 08:11.36 | Supaplex | carpii__: like um. tcptraceroute? :) |
| 08:11.38 | fallenhitokiri | Supaplex: the vserver wasn't able to upgrade klogd. |
| 08:11.40 | carpii__ | yes stew |
| 08:11.42 | enouf | stew: still - and i will :-) |
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| 08:11.52 | enouf | judd kconfig MAGIC |
| 08:11.52 | judd | enouf: Searching for 'MAGIC' in lenny kernel config gives FB_NEOMAGIC=m MAGIC_SYSRQ=y. |
| 08:12.29 | enouf | stew: i suppose that kconfig search applies to the 2.6.26-x-686 Lenny only? |
| 08:12.31 | carpii__ | traceroute doesnt show much because its just on the lan |
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| 08:12.37 | carpii__ | but i can ping the box fine |
| 08:12.45 | enouf | ahh duh |
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| 08:13.06 | twisted` | k anyone any idea? I need the locales package (everything shouts about it) but I cannot install it because it depends on glibc-2.9-1 but it doesn't exist, google gives me nothing |
| 08:13.07 | enouf | it says so :-P ... well .. how about other ARCHs .. i guess was my point |
| 08:13.44 | enouf | (/me is not asking for other arch support, just wondering what it;s base search is, so i know) |
| 08:14.24 | tim__ | anybody can help me with installing http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/telepathy-glib - or give me a tip which is the right way? |
| 08:14.25 | stew | enouf: -686, but it knows about --release {etch,etchnhalf,lenny,sid,squeeze,trunk} (trunk being 2.6.28 from buildserver) |
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| 08:14.44 | Supaplex | fallenhitokiri: see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.invoke-rc.d.gz regarding policy-rc.d |
| 08:14.50 | stew | judd: kconfig EXT4 --release trunk |
| 08:14.51 | judd | stew: Searching for 'EXT4' in trunk kernel config gives EXT4_FS=m EXT4DEV_COMPAT=y EXT4_FS_XATTR=y EXT4_FS_POSIX_ACL=y EXT4_FS_SECURITY=y. |
| 08:14.52 | fallenhitokiri | Supaplex: thanks |
| 08:15.00 | enouf | stew: SHINY! |
| 08:15.05 | enouf | :-) |
| 08:15.43 | stew | carpii__: can you connect to the public ip address from the machine running sshd? |
| 08:15.59 | Ace2027_- | need help with compiling freetype: checking host system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-gnu-linux': machine `x86_64-gnu' not recognized |
| 08:16.14 | Supaplex | carpii__: tcptraceroute is different. |
| 08:16.16 | carpii__ | it doesnt really have a public ip :/ |
| 08:16.26 | Ace2027_- | freetype-1.3.1 to be precise |
| 08:16.30 | carpii__ | its just an unexposed machine on my lan |
| 08:16.35 | Supaplex | Ace2027_-: from apt-get source? |
| 08:16.43 | carpii__ | i havent modified hosts.allow do you think this is the problem? |
| 08:16.43 | Ace2027_- | Supaplex: no from their website |
| 08:16.52 | carpii__ | ok supa, i will try |
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| 08:17.59 | Supaplex | Ace2027_-: any reason for it over the one in your base release? uupdate might be what you're after to do it the debian way. |
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| 08:18.25 | Ace2027_- | Supaplex: there repos don't have it |
| 08:18.30 | enouf | tim__: likely the easiest is to /msg dpkg ssb (why do you need the unstable version?) 0.7.12-1 isn;t new enough? |
| 08:20.11 | tim__ | enouf: no it isn't because I will develop some things and under other distri it does not work, and all telepathy developers said to me under debian it works - now I installed a fresh debian in virtualbox to test it |
| 08:20.54 | enouf | tim__: which release of debian? Lenny? |
| 08:20.59 | tim__ | yes |
| 08:21.00 | Ace2027_- | Supaplex: actually i don't think i need freetype 1, i needed --with-freetype-config= to be set correctly |
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| 08:21.42 | enouf | tim__: well, Lenny is Stable, Squeeze is the new Testing, so you might need a newer libc6 or something major |
| 08:21.56 | enouf | tim__: but try the method i suggested |
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| 08:22.07 | tim__ | knowledge about debian based distris are not very good - because I develop under gentoo |
| 08:22.13 | enouf | tim__: /msg dpkg package basics |
| 08:22.58 | enouf | tim__: no prob, there's a debian way, and a gentoo way - then there's the generic way - but with debian sources work best using debian way ;-) |
| 08:23.21 | enouf | s/with/using |
| 08:23.22 | tim__ | ok I will read the package basics |
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| 08:23.42 | enouf | tim__: only add a deb-src line .. not a deb line |
| 08:23.59 | enouf | tim__: for the non-Stable repos you list |
| 08:24.09 | Supaplex | fscking wikitext. I give up. |
| 08:24.14 | Ace2027_- | how do i move multiple files from a directory? say move file1 file2 and file4 from /source/ to /dest/? i want to avoid doing mv /source/file1 /dest/ for each file |
| 08:24.19 | tim__ | enouf: the git url? |
| 08:24.28 | enouf | no |
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| 08:24.44 | enouf | the mirror lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:24.55 | tim__ | enouf: I see ... one minute |
| 08:24.58 | enouf | tim__: do you know how to /msg the bot? |
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| 08:25.11 | tim__ | yes I try it for one minute |
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| 08:25.20 | enouf | !try |
| 08:25.20 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 08:25.24 | enouf | :-P |
| 08:25.37 | Supaplex | !dpkg++ |
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| 08:26.29 | enouf | dpkg: group hug |
| 08:26.29 | dpkg | hug: use the group, Luke |
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| 08:28.05 | Supaplex | heh |
| 08:28.26 | Jurkki | any ideas how to start debug whats wrong with my network. it works for a while, like half a minute then it dies. i've just upgraded from etch to lenny and using the default kernel 2.6.26-1-686. if i revert back to 2.6.18-6-686 kernel, the network works fine. |
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| 08:29.01 | Jurkki | 21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 Ethernet |
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| 08:30.41 | CLOSER_BR | porque da esse erro : Warning: Screen isn't composited. Please run compiz (-fusion) or another compositing manager. quem me ajuda |
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| 08:31.02 | tim__ | enouf: this is the install line "apt-get source telepathy-glib" and then "apt-get build-dep telepathy-glib", but how have be the line in source.lst |
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| 08:32.43 | CLOSER_BR | tim__ porque da esse erro : Warning: Screen isn't composited. Please run compiz (-fusion) or another compositing manager. ??? |
| 08:33.14 | Supaplex | !es |
| 08:33.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 08:35.33 | simonrvn | because you're not running it at the moment |
| 08:35.45 | enouf | tim__: /msg dpkg deb-src |
| 08:35.48 | Supaplex | tim__: you don't configure every single source package in sources.list. it's a source "repo" much like the binary repo. apt-get source <something> is smart enough to grab the source package for that binary package. deb-src lines are usually identical to the respective deb lines. they easily coexist on the same repo. |
| 08:36.23 | enouf | tim__: /msg dpkg sources.list (even) |
| 08:36.28 | twisted` | fixed it, apt-get install locales-all instead of locales and then manually set the vars |
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| 08:36.36 | enouf | tim__: /msg dpkg security (while you're at it) |
| 08:36.53 | Supaplex | and source grabs upstream source (tarball), the patch (has debian/* and our diff), and misc infos about the packages built from it. |
| 08:37.42 | enouf | tim__: whenever you see <anything> anything enclosed in <> in a factoid, it's referring to another factoid - then you can ask dpkgbot about that/those |
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| 08:39.32 | enouf | tim__: in here, dpkgbot [dpkg] is a resident irc channel bot - on your system, dpkg is the low-level pkg manager - apt/aptitude are frontends - GUI frontends include synaptic, et al - please /msg dpkg grounding (and read the debian reference) |
| 08:39.55 | trifler | Im trying to install lua (mod_wombat) to work with apache. But I'm running into a wall since I'm new to the linux "scene". But I a file it says how to build from svn. And it mentions the commands ./bootstrap and ./configure. Are those two linux specific or are they files that should come from the svn-folder? |
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| 08:40.44 | Supaplex | trifler: the latter. svn should be installed (via apt-get install subversion) |
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| 08:41.32 | trifler | Supaplex: Can you instal programs using subversion or is that just a way to get ahold of the files? |
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| 08:41.40 | trifler | from the svn* |
| 08:41.42 | enouf | partially the latter :-P ./configure is a command you run when written like that - one you cd into src/ you run ./configure --help |
| 08:42.07 | enouf | depending on how it's pkgd, who uploaded, how it's to be built and installed |
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| 08:42.16 | tim__ | thx enouf - but you know time time time ... but I will read it know |
| 08:42.27 | trifler | enouf: This is what I'm trying to install -> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/mod_wombat/trunk/ |
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| 08:42.37 | enouf | use svn co |
| 08:42.44 | Supaplex | trifler: it's usually for working in a copy of the sources |
| 08:43.10 | enouf | now, how to build an out-of-tree kernel (or even apache) module? that's another course :-P |
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| 08:43.57 | enouf | there;s usually a corresponding svn:// to the http:// |
| 08:44.21 | trifler | enouf: "svn co uri" is just for getting a copy of the files on that uri I posted right? |
| 08:44.33 | enouf | use "svn co svn://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/mod_wombat/trunk/ |
| 08:44.41 | enouf | yeo |
| 08:44.45 | enouf | yep |
| 08:44.50 | enouf | the co == check out |
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| 08:45.13 | enouf | (forgot to close the quote, but drop both anyway) |
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| 08:47.58 | trifler | enouf: worked without the "":s |
| 08:47.59 | trifler | :) |
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| 08:48.47 | enouf | heh |
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| 08:51.53 | rrob | hi, i have question, i run debian in xenserver and when i start midnighcommander, it didnt show on terminal, only black line appears, i must ctrl+c break it. |
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| 08:56.28 | Mikaze | Anyone have experience trying to get a Lexmark Optra 1255 printer working? |
| 08:56.55 | Mikaze | Supposed to work perfectly with linux, but... |
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| 08:58.23 | carpii__ | ok i installed tcptraceroute and this suggests sshd is open, but i still cannot connect (connection closed) |
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| 09:00.05 | rrob | Mikaze --- sry not |
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| 09:04.10 | carpii__ | oh well, back to ubuntu-server i think :/ |
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| 09:05.18 | PDani | hi |
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| 09:05.44 | PDani | is it possible to umount a volume even if it is in use (like a shell somewhere keeps a dir open in it) |
| 09:06.33 | appar | PDani kill the shell |
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| 09:08.14 | carpii__ | you could try umount -f, but i thik really umount wants to close all handles on it before unmounting cleanly |
| 09:08.47 | appar | PDani lsof is your friend |
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| 09:14.30 | HSNews | People, how in debian do hinting for Tahoma? as here: http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/2599191.png (in top menu) |
| 09:14.35 | HSNews | I can't get this results |
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| 09:14.47 | enouf | and fuser |
| 09:15.22 | enouf | i don't even know what 'hinting' of fonts is |
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| 09:17.15 | ShishKabab | Hi. How do I install a Dutch ISpell disctionary? |
| 09:18.16 | enouf | apt-get install ? |
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| 09:18.52 | webmind | ShishKabab, aptitude install idutch |
| 09:19.28 | diablo | shishkabab isn't thaht food ? |
| 09:19.40 | webmind | ShishKabab, aptitude search ispell dutch told me :) |
| 09:19.42 | webmind | diablo, yes |
| 09:19.49 | webmind | meat on a stick :) |
| 09:19.50 | Jemt | !aptitude |
| 09:19.50 | dpkg | hmm... aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 09:19.57 | diablo | ^^^ |
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| 09:20.23 | wedge | dpkg: why not aptitude? |
| 09:20.23 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
| 09:20.48 | wedge | !nfs |
| 09:20.48 | dpkg | somebody said nfs was Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 09:20.52 | webmind | and it doesn't allow users to search for packages :) |
| 09:20.55 | simonrvn | um it does have build-dep now |
| 09:21.09 | simonrvn | webmind: yes it does |
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| 09:21.22 | Jemt | webmind: Sure it does |
| 09:21.26 | webmind | simonrvn, hmmm indeed |
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| 09:21.32 | webmind | weird.. I recall getting errors |
| 09:21.38 | webmind | ok, srory. |
| 09:21.41 | webmind | *sorry |
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| 09:21.44 | simonrvn | !why not aptitude =~ s/ and "apt-get build-dep"// |
| 09:21.44 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 09:21.53 | Jemt | It's just not searching descriptions per default (which I find annoying) |
| 09:21.58 | ShishKabab | webmind: I searched for ispell and it only found ispll and ispell-dictionary. When I try to install idutch it says that it can't find it. In which repository is it? |
| 09:22.06 | themill | simonrvn: it does? |
| 09:22.17 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:22.27 | simonrvn | lenny's |
| 09:22.32 | webmind | ShishKabab, main |
| 09:22.34 | themill | ohh! does too :) just not in the man page. |
| 09:22.42 | themill | err. rather not in the bash completion |
| 09:22.52 | webmind | ShishKabab, I don't know if it's lenny though |
| 09:22.55 | webmind | runs sid |
| 09:22.58 | simonrvn | ah, now that's a bug. not documented feature. |
| 09:23.21 | webmind | all bugs are undocumented features rights? ;) |
| 09:23.27 | themill | simonrvn: it is in the fine manual :) |
| 09:23.33 | wedge | !gfs |
| 09:23.33 | dpkg | hmm... gfs is The Global File System (GFS): it allows multiple Linux machines to share storage devices over a network. See http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ or http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ |
| 09:23.38 | simonrvn | oh it is? |
| 09:23.43 | simonrvn | cool, nm then |
| 09:23.50 | simonrvn | !btrfs |
| 09:23.50 | dpkg | it has been said that btrfs is a new copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Initially developed by Oracle, Btrfs is licensed under the GPL, see http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org, not ready for production use. |
| 09:23.54 | appar | debian etch supports gfs ? |
| 09:24.02 | bolt | !sing sussudio |
| 09:24.02 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
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| 09:24.19 | ShishKabab | webmind: I'm in Sid and have main contrib and non-free enabled. What could be the reason it isn't found? |
| 09:24.49 | Jemt | try 'aptitude update' |
| 09:24.58 | bolt | ShishKabab: you're in sid and have problems finding a package? |
| 09:25.15 | simonrvn | go figure |
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| 09:25.29 | webmind | aptitude update indeed |
| 09:25.36 | webmind | and check if it gives errors |
| 09:26.27 | nsadmin | if you're in sid... you're expected not just to deal with any problems that come up, you're also expected to fix them |
| 09:26.43 | themill | There's no reason not to search with apt-cache search instead of aptitude search if you're just wanting a simple search. aptitude's search power comes in its line-noise-esque search terms. |
| 09:26.52 | ShishKabab | Ah. aptitude update did it :) |
| 09:26.53 | webmind | nsadmin, never knew that :) |
| 09:26.57 | wedge | !bnx2 |
| 09:26.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bnx2 is the Broadcom NetXtreme II (BCM5706/5708) driver. Disabled in 'linux-2.6' 2.6.23-1 due to binary-only firmware, see http://bugs.debian.org/469349. Enabled again in 'linux-2.6' 2.6.24-7, install the <non-free> 'firmware-bnx2' package (etchnhalf, lenny) to enable driver use. Note: These devices will not be available during installation when using a <lenny>-based installer (this includes <etchnhalf>). |
| 09:27.07 | themill | wedge: /msg dpkg bnx2 |
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| 09:27.49 | simonrvn | wedge: /msg the bot. that's excessive. |
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| 09:28.24 | HSNews | how to Add Shutdown button to top panel? |
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| 09:28.36 | HSNews | near time |
| 09:28.41 | rpaulson | I'm trying to chainload grub from another grub , using map (hd1) (hd0) ; root (hd0) ; chainloader +1 ; boot, but I get "Error 2" |
| 09:28.53 | rpaulson | when I boot the device directly, it works |
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| 09:29.19 | simonrvn | HSNews: righ click on the section you want to add to and choose "add to panel..." |
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| 09:30.37 | HSNews | thank you! |
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| 09:33.02 | themill | !dbugs 495883 |
| 09:33.05 | dpkg | #495883:W[bash-completion] aptitude: add build-dep to bash_completion (confirmed pending); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:00:04 UTC [] |
| 09:33.09 | themill | simonrvn: ^^ :) |
| 09:33.57 | webmind | how come that key 4D270D06F42584E6 isn't imported in etch? while lenny uses it? |
| 09:34.10 | webmind | when I upgrade from etch to lenny, it complains that it doesn't have that keyu |
| 09:34.12 | webmind | *key |
| 09:34.23 | rpaulson | webmind: I think it installs it when you upgrade |
| 09:34.35 | rpaulson | webmind: got the same error message, but it went away after upgrade |
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| 09:34.43 | webmind | but you need it -before- the upgrade |
| 09:34.51 | rpaulson | webmind: I don't think you do |
| 09:34.56 | themill | webmind: install the debian-archive-keyring package |
| 09:35.29 | webmind | themill, that was installed |
| 09:35.57 | webmind | but upgrading works without warnings about signatures |
| 09:36.16 | enouf | rpaulson: you're missing a (the 2nd) map line |
| 09:36.43 | enouf | under your existing one, add map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 09:37.47 | enouf | IOW, you mapped hd1 -> hd0, but haven;t defined hd0 now, it went p00f, and hd0 is the 1st system disk (0x80) |
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| 09:39.11 | ApRoNaX | Türk olanınız varmı :) |
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| 09:39.32 | ApRoNaX | tokmu :( |
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| 09:39.32 | rpaulson | enouf: won't that just reverse the first map? |
| 09:39.38 | themill | !tr |
| 09:39.38 | dpkg | tr is probably türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 09:39.41 | rpaulson | enouf: I find that map command confusing.. :P |
| 09:39.47 | ApRoNaX | ok:) |
| 09:40.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | as lenny is new testing and unstable is not geared to be usable : ( |
| 09:40.01 | enouf | rpaulson: http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
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| 09:40.35 | enouf | no, hd0 needs to be mapped somewhere |
| 09:40.45 | mct | Is there an easy way to download debugging symbols for a random package in Debian? For example, other than rebuilding, can I easily get debugging symbols for fetchmail? |
| 09:40.48 | enouf | you overwrote it's existance with hd1 |
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| 09:41.52 | enouf | rpaulson: specifically http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm#Windows_on_a_non-first_hard_disk |
| 09:42.00 | rpaulson | enouf: I see, I'll try. reason I ask is it worked before.. but I don't know what changed, except new version on both usb stick and hdd |
| 09:42.05 | rpaulson | new version = lenny |
| 09:42.30 | rpaulson | enouf: I see, thanks, I'll try it. |
| 09:42.37 | enouf | no, it didn't work before :-P |
| 09:42.41 | enouf | not like that |
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| 09:43.30 | enouf | your BIOS changes which drive is system's 1st when you plug in another drive (especialy USB) .. i've seen that happen a gazillion times |
| 09:43.37 | enouf | Grub has no way to know this |
| 09:44.17 | hedin | how do i fix http://rafb.net/p/2QjTNR23.html it's comming when i run apt-get update |
| 09:44.19 | enouf | not only does your BIOS suck and change the 1st disk order, it moves each of the other ones into some other slots .. |
| 09:44.31 | rpaulson | enouf: well, actually it did, I booted from grub on USB, and from there booted GRUB on internal hdd, with _1_ map command |
| 09:44.49 | rpaulson | okay |
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| 09:45.09 | enouf | no, you chainloaded it, you didn't boot it .. but whatever |
| 09:45.30 | rpaulson | enouf: sorry, that's what I meant, and that's what I want (if it changes anything) |
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| 09:45.47 | enouf | ok - no worries |
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| 09:45.57 | enouf | i just get very pissed at stupid BIOSes |
| 09:46.06 | trifler | http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/mod_wombat/trunk/docs/building-from-subversion.txt -> the part install mod_wombat from subversion. I'm having troubles with that. It doesn't work for me. Is bootstrap a file that should be included in the src or this a program or such? :S |
| 09:46.28 | rpaulson | lol, me too. we have a server which reorders (randomly) a 4 channel sata array... |
| 09:46.35 | rpaulson | 1 of those disks is the boot disk |
| 09:46.56 | rpaulson | now imagine how many reboots before it manages to apply the 'correct' order |
| 09:47.20 | rpaulson | once it's on, never turn it off :P |
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| 09:49.42 | josen | Good morning altogether |
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| 09:50.17 | diablo | morning |
| 09:51.33 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know a quick way to apply a bandwith limit to netcat? |
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| 09:54.07 | rpaulson | enouf: it actually seems as if the map command does nothing, I've tried map (hd1) (hd0) and then (hd0) (hd1) and then tested it with root (hd0<tab><tab> but it still sees the original hd0 |
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| 09:54.44 | Lagbolt | hey, having problems with a raid5 array. it did not come up correctly. was giving "kicked non-fresh sd?? out of array" looked around, found site talking about removing and readding the drives. now they are listed as spares. |
| 09:55.10 | trifler | Can anyone see any presence of ./bootstrap here? http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/mod_wombat/trunk |
| 09:55.12 | josen | Lagbolt: how many drives were kicked out? show some more info |
| 09:55.15 | enouf | rpaulson: shame - seems you have even deeper issues |
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| 09:55.40 | Lagbolt | josen, http://pastebin.com/m3c1244ea |
| 09:55.45 | enouf | perhaps an exacting grub install would help - dunno man - figure it out |
| 09:56.07 | Lagbolt | josen, the drives that are listed as spares should be in the actual array |
| 09:56.38 | josen | Mh, I just had the same problem (glitchy connectors didnt getmy drives recognized one time at boot). |
| 09:56.46 | enouf | rpaulson: er check your #groot= line |
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| 09:57.06 | josen | You tried readding them? |
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| 09:57.24 | josen | but it says in dmesg directly afterwards that they are non-fresh and theyre kicked. right? |
| 09:57.29 | Lagbolt | josen, as in "mdadm /dev/md2 --add /dev/sd## |
| 09:57.40 | rpaulson | enouf: I will |
| 09:57.47 | rpaulson | enouf: thanks again |
| 09:57.52 | enouf | np |
| 09:57.52 | josen | okay, I cant guarantee too much (hope you have backups) |
| 09:58.03 | josen | I faulted them,deleted them and then... |
| 09:58.05 | Lagbolt | josen, yes kicked i can pastebin hang on |
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| 09:58.25 | Lagbolt | josen, so you did --fail --remove? |
| 09:58.29 | josen | yup |
| 09:58.29 | Lagbolt | then readd? |
| 09:58.32 | josen | stop |
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| 09:58.36 | enouf | Lagbolt: did you use --remove and --fail befiore tryibg to add? |
| 09:58.37 | Lagbolt | yeah thats what i did, now it thinks they are spares |
| 09:58.37 | josen | i forced the readd |
| 09:58.42 | Lagbolt | enouf, yeah |
| 09:58.53 | josen | with -f |
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| 09:59.04 | josen | 1. Fault the drives |
| 09:59.09 | josen | 2. Delete the drives from array |
| 09:59.14 | enouf | bingo |
| 09:59.29 | josen | 3. Forcefully re-add the drives (-f) |
| 09:59.29 | josen | Worked here. |
| 09:59.35 | Lagbolt | so fault, remove as separate commands? |
| 09:59.39 | josen | Yup |
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| 09:59.43 | enouf | yep |
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| 10:00.22 | josen | And dont do it, when you've drunken too much coffee. Was like a shot of Epinephrin to me :) |
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| 10:01.00 | Lagbolt | mdadm /dev/md2 --fail /dev/sdh1 && mdadm /dev/md2 --remove /dev/sdh1 && mdadm /dev/md2 -f --add /dev/sdh1 |
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| 10:01.05 | josen | When the raid is rechecking and rebuilduing, after the readd, dont reboot or mount it. will crash it. |
| 10:01.16 | Lagbolt | something like that, removing all 3 first before adding any? or remove and readd one at a time? |
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| 10:01.45 | josen | They are atomic operations. Shouldn't make a difference. I did it as written above. |
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| 10:02.10 | Lagbolt | http://pastebin.com/m5c6c10bd |
| 10:02.22 | josen | Yes.I got that one too. |
| 10:02.24 | josen | Ignore it. |
| 10:02.28 | Lagbolt | ok |
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| 10:02.58 | josen | My thumbs are crossed, Lagbolt |
| 10:02.59 | Lagbolt | do i use -f on all commands or just the re-add? |
| 10:03.26 | josen | Only re-add |
| 10:04.04 | Lagbolt | says device is busy :( --> mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdc1: Device or resource busy |
| 10:04.22 | josen | then forcefully fault them. |
| 10:04.32 | josen | You need to get them out of the array |
| 10:04.46 | Lagbolt | it doesnt remove them |
| 10:04.59 | Lagbolt | says no such device |
| 10:05.14 | enouf | Lagbolt: are you using your array for your '/' FS atm? |
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| 10:05.26 | Lagbolt | enouf, no, it is not root |
| 10:05.33 | josen | enouf: its dirty, he couldnt |
| 10:05.39 | josen | try rebooting |
| 10:05.42 | josen | then re-add |
| 10:06.00 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 10:06.04 | PuraVida | Can someone explain why a package version at packages.debian.org differs from that reported by apt-cache? PostgreSQL is v 8.3.6-1 here: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=postgresql&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all but 8.3.5-1 using apt-cache http://pastebin.com/m9777908. This is a fresh Lenny install from netisnt. |
| 10:06.06 | enouf | josen: an array will work when it's dirtu |
| 10:06.10 | enouf | dirty* |
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| 10:06.30 | josen | a 5 disk array with 4 removed drives in raid5? I doubt that. |
| 10:06.44 | enouf | PuraVida: you didn't apt-get update ? |
| 10:07.11 | enouf | josen: i have no idea how many drives or devices are failed |
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| 10:07.26 | enouf | nor how many constitute the array |
| 10:07.32 | rpaulson | enouf: allright, fixed it finally. I just reordered it: I need to do root (hd1) then map (hd1) (hd0) (and then the rest) |
| 10:07.35 | josen | He nopasted it. |
| 10:07.41 | enouf | but your statement was general, and so was my answer |
| 10:07.44 | enouf | so good read it |
| 10:07.45 | PuraVida | yessir. That's the first command here: http://pastebin.com/m9777908 |
| 10:07.50 | enouf | but i stand by what i said |
| 10:08.05 | josen | :) |
| 10:08.08 | Lagbolt | josen, enouf reboot same problem |
| 10:08.31 | enouf | rpaulson: it's about time :-) |
| 10:08.36 | Lagbolt | cant remove, says no such device, cant readd, device busy |
| 10:09.14 | josen | what if you stop the whole raid-subsystem, then assemble md2 manually? |
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| 10:09.48 | Lagbolt | josen, invoke-rc mdadm-raid stop, then what? or am i way off? |
| 10:10.12 | josen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.15 | PuraVida | enouf: apt-get update was done against this sources.list: http://pastebin.com/m7b6bb6e7 |
| 10:10.40 | Lagbolt | then what . . . /sbin/mdadm -A --auto=yes /dev/md2 --run /dev/sd[cdfg]1 |
| 10:10.43 | Lagbolt | something like that? |
| 10:11.13 | josen | mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sd[...]1 etc |
| 10:11.15 | josen | yup |
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| 10:11.38 | josen | I'm sorry, gtg. |
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| 10:11.51 | enouf | judd: versions PostgreSQL |
| 10:11.51 | Lagbolt | that assembles them as spares. |
| 10:11.55 | judd | enouf: PostgreSQL -- |
| 10:12.00 | enouf | judd: versions PostgreSQL8 |
| 10:12.01 | judd | enouf: PostgreSQL8 -- |
| 10:12.53 | rpaulson | enouf: yeah, strange though.. last time it needed to be before the root.. but too many things have changed (upgraded to lenny and changed partitions) |
| 10:13.07 | enouf | judd: versions PostgreSQL-8.1 |
| 10:13.08 | judd | enouf: PostgreSQL-8.1 -- |
| 10:13.22 | enouf | judd: versions postgresql-8.1 |
| 10:13.24 | judd | enouf: postgresql-8.1 -- etch-security: 8.1.11-0etch1 etch: 8.1.13-0etch1 |
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| 10:13.40 | enouf | CaSe mAtTerS |
| 10:14.22 | enouf | rpaulson: it's also using uuid now by default - maybe you want to look into using those |
| 10:14.28 | firefox | nooo! t it needs opegl to run. it was my main issue... installing fglrx-glx fixed everything. |
| 10:14.44 | enouf | rpaulson: apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 10:14.46 | enouf | :-) |
| 10:14.52 | enouf | though i realize there |
| 10:15.06 | firefox | ok... wierd input... |
| 10:15.23 | enouf | though i realize there'd be gazillions on a release dist-upgrade - that's what Release Notes are for ;-) |
| 10:16.02 | HSNews | how to know my IP? :)) |
| 10:16.07 | HSNews | sorry for nubies question |
| 10:16.09 | firefox | enouf: anyway it was you and cutme that recomended amarok, it looks cool. just wish it handeled video to, and like I said before.. I could get amarok to work cause it need opengl. and install fglrx-glx fixed it. |
| 10:16.11 | rpaulson | enouf: uuid wouldn't work, it's a scripted setup and needs to work.. the hardware is the only thing that stays the same |
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| 10:16.41 | HSNews | and which programm I can monitor my trafic? |
| 10:16.52 | enouf | PuraVida: diff ARCHs have diff version |
| 10:17.07 | enouf | PuraVida: * etch-backports (misc): object-relational SQL database, version 8.3 server 8.3.6-1~bpo40+1 [backports]: hppa i386 ia64 powerpc s390 sparc 8.3.5-1~bpo40+1 [backports]: alpha amd64 |
| 10:17.22 | rpaulson | enouf: are you talking about grub 2 btw? |
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| 10:17.59 | enouf | PuraVida: so, only in Etch-backports and only in these arches is there a 5.1 8.3.5-1~bpo40+1 [backports]: alpha amd6 |
| 10:18.05 | enouf | amd64 |
| 10:18.23 | enouf | for postgresql-8.1 |
| 10:18.30 | enouf | er !! for postgresql-8.3 |
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| 10:19.12 | enouf | firefox: cool - likely using the fglrx GLX libraries ;-) |
| 10:19.26 | enouf | the issue might've been resolvable though using radeon |
| 10:19.38 | enouf | you'd have to debug it |
| 10:19.41 | enouf | a bit |
| 10:19.48 | enouf | rpaulson: no |
| 10:20.03 | enouf | rpaulson: grub2 is MASSIVELY different ;-) |
| 10:20.20 | rdz | hi all. does the debian for ppc netinstall cd come with some memory test program? |
| 10:20.26 | Lagbolt | arg, now they are all listed as spares. |
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| 10:20.55 | themill | judd: versions postgresql-8.3 --arch amd64 |
| 10:20.56 | judd | themill: postgresql-8.3 -- etch-backports: 8.3.5-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.6-1 sid: 8.3.6-1 squeeze: 8.3.6-1 |
| 10:20.57 | rpaulson | enouf: okay, guess there's a reason for the advice on not using it on production systems |
| 10:21.00 | themill | enouf: ^^ |
| 10:21.02 | enouf | rpaulson: if you install Lenny using grub1, you'll notice in menu.lst (root=UUID=3546354354-xxxxxx) and maybe fstab |
| 10:21.21 | enouf | themill: !! bravo !! ;-) |
| 10:21.27 | enouf | dpkg: hug themill |
| 10:21.27 | dpkg | gives themill a hug |
| 10:21.38 | firefox | enouf: yeah.. suprisingly I didnt mess up anything putting my xorg together from a bunch of xorg.confs I found on google. Is the radeon faster? I hear all the time that the open source runs faster. |
| 10:21.53 | themill | enouf: not my work... but judd understand --release and --arch for most (all?) its commands |
| 10:22.38 | enouf | firefox: certainly not faster for any 3D support ;-) |
| 10:22.44 | enouf | oh realy? |
| 10:22.51 | enouf | hrm .. then i don't know firefox |
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| 10:23.38 | rpaulson | enouf: actually no, but that may be because I chose expert install? |
| 10:23.48 | enouf | themill: i didn't even see your recent postgresql call to judd until after - the bravo and hug were for all the integrated uddmill work you did! |
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| 10:24.03 | themill | enouf: heh |
| 10:24.13 | enouf | rpaulson: i thought you upgraded from etch? |
| 10:24.21 | firefox | enouf: pffft it it was opengl held together with chewing gum and chicken wire, I'd still love it just as much right now haha... besides, I doubt I will own any souls gamming with my massive 16mb video card. |
| 10:24.33 | enouf | rpaulson: i don;t know man .. perhaps expert mode mattered though |
| 10:24.43 | rpaulson | enouf: I have one upgraded and one fresh install of lenny |
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| 10:25.45 | enouf | firefox: 16MB ... haha and people scream at me about my OLD stuff when i tell them about my 32MB tnt2pro and 64MB gf2 (32M usable only on this chipset) |
| 10:26.02 | enouf | ok |
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| 10:28.08 | firefox | enouf: I havent thrown away one system yet... that includes my bravo ms66d... mmm 25 hz of pure power! I had the 83mhz chip to lol. I'm still trying to figure out what task its gonna perform around the house. |
| 10:28.14 | enouf | rpaulson: note; grub2 starts partitions at (hdX,1) a 0 no longer exists. AFAIK |
| 10:28.24 | enouf | rpaulson: disks still start at 0 |
| 10:28.45 | Lagbolt | how can i tell mdadm that the drives are not spares :( |
| 10:28.57 | enouf | firefox: toaster oven and hot tub ;-) |
| 10:29.53 | enouf | i wonder might you have a superblock era - FS metadata - can you fsck? |
| 10:30.02 | enouf | s/era/error |
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| 10:30.50 | liable | enouf: really? seems odd to change that |
| 10:31.24 | rpaulson | enouf: so main difference between grub 1 and 2 is $partitionstart++ ? :P |
| 10:31.34 | rpaulson | enouf: just kidding |
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| 10:31.43 | enouf | liable: i believe it was done to accomodate true multidisk spec support and GPT stuffs |
| 10:32.09 | enouf | rpaulson: no - main diff is grub2 is entirely modular |
| 10:32.16 | firefox | eh well... 4 hours over do for sleep. night enouf and all. |
| 10:32.21 | enouf | all the stageX have been exploded into small pieces |
| 10:32.38 | firefox | tommorrow its time to conquer splashy...lol |
| 10:32.40 | enouf | as well as all the FS modules/images |
| 10:32.51 | enouf | wel .. one and the same |
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| 10:32.59 | enouf | firefox: later |
| 10:33.33 | rpaulson | enouf: so you could boot grub off SAN for instance? |
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| 10:33.40 | enouf | also, no more menu.lst - there's /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/default/grub* now with grub2 |
| 10:33.53 | enouf | also separate -efi and such pkgs |
| 10:34.05 | enouf | rpaulson: ask in #grub |
| 10:34.34 | rpaulson | enouf: yeah that's where I went with my problem, but no one's awake :) |
| 10:34.39 | enouf | i built it and tried it way long time ago - started learning a bit about it - got involved in other things - dropped my interest :-) |
| 10:34.49 | nijan | Hello all, is it possible to have a working mouse in the shell without X? |
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| 10:35.07 | enouf | rpaulson: well, the channel has really only been supporting grub2 for some time now |
| 10:35.20 | rpaulson | enouf: oh, I see. |
| 10:35.33 | enouf | as far as the devs go atleast |
| 10:35.34 | gunkamanti | nijan: gpm |
| 10:35.46 | nijan | tnx |
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| 10:36.34 | HSNews | how I can know my IP address? |
| 10:36.50 | gunkamanti | HSNews: http://showip.net |
| 10:36.51 | nijan | guess it |
| 10:36.55 | webmind | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.09 | HSNews | from console |
| 10:37.15 | HSNews | ip of network |
| 10:37.15 | webmind | ifconfig |
| 10:37.15 | nijan | man ifconfig |
| 10:37.16 | enouf | liable: Multiboot Specification (not multidisk - my bad) |
| 10:37.19 | HSNews | ok |
| 10:37.26 | gunkamanti | w3m http://showip.net ;) |
| 10:37.39 | HSNews | bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 10:37.47 | webmind | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.49 | gunkamanti | you have to be superuser. |
| 10:37.52 | gunkamanti | or that. |
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| 10:38.04 | gunkamanti | the difference is that with ifconfig, you get the ip within the network, if you're behind a router. |
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| 10:38.11 | HSNews | ok thanks |
| 10:38.16 | nijan | everytime I try to run X my radeon burps |
| 10:38.28 | gunkamanti | tell it to cut down on beans. |
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| 10:39.07 | Lirezh | Hi |
| 10:39.23 | Lirezh | How can I force console switch by command ? |
| 10:39.39 | nijan | ? alt+fN? |
| 10:39.48 | Lirezh | by command, not by key press |
| 10:39.50 | webmind | chvt |
| 10:39.53 | nijan | chvt |
| 10:39.54 | Lirezh | ty |
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| 10:40.17 | gunkamanti | Lirezh: why do you need it? :) |
| 10:40.52 | nijan | maybe he wants to do it on startup |
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| 10:42.03 | enouf | gunkamanti: ifconfig can be read without superuser privs, naturally, to make changes you need privs |
| 10:42.05 | enouf | ;-) |
| 10:42.25 | gunkamanti | yes, what i ment it's only in the path of the superuser. |
| 10:42.30 | Lirezh | I'm looking for nice ways to lock down a box and display a clean message |
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| 10:42.50 | enouf | gunkamanti: have to be != /sbin in PATH ;-) |
| 10:43.24 | enouf | Lirezh: man shutdown, man write, man wall |
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| 10:43.47 | enouf | er .. see /etc/*motd* maybe |
| 10:43.48 | gunkamanti | hm, looks like vlock is obsoleted, what's used now? |
| 10:43.57 | nijan | or clear |
| 10:44.06 | enouf | or reset |
| 10:44.19 | enouf | or tput, or .. :-p |
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| 10:44.43 | Lirezh | i know those tools enouf;) |
| 10:45.12 | gunkamanti | i think he was answering my curiousity :) |
| 10:45.22 | nijan | or echo |
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| 10:46.32 | nijan | I shall concentrate on my radeon instead... |
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| 10:46.45 | gunkamanti | nijan: define 'burp' :) |
| 10:49.58 | gunkamanti | any idea why antiword is not in testing? |
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| 10:54.43 | hark | gunkamanti: but it is :) |
| 10:55.40 | gunkamanti | you're sure? i have the most recent testing, it's not there. |
| 10:56.08 | hark | judd: versions antiword |
| 10:56.10 | judd | hark: antiword -- etch: 0.37-2 lenny: 0.37-3 sid: 0.37-3 squeeze: 0.37-3 |
| 10:56.28 | gunkamanti | hmm, strange... |
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| 10:57.00 | gunkamanti | "E: Couldn't find package antiword" |
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| 10:58.10 | hark | can you get other packages? like, what does "apt-cache policy less" say? |
| 10:58.18 | Gecko | Hey, I've installed the powerpc version of lenny to an embedded device. Every time I log in as root, it tells me to change the password (root enforced). I've tried to change it using passwd afterwards, but it still wants me to change password after each log in. Anyone know how to make it stop? |
| 10:59.17 | gunkamanti | yes, other packages are no problem. which line is of interest in policy? |
| 10:59.52 | rdz | is there a way to perform a memory test on PowerPC architecture? |
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| 11:00.40 | hark | Gecko: maybe expiry? check with chage |
| 11:01.09 | hark | gunkamanti: pastebin apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy antiword |
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| 11:02.22 | gunkamanti | hark: http://pastebin.com/d5504c61e |
| 11:02.25 | Gecko | hark: got it. The lack of hardware clock on my device made it think that I changed the password at unix time 0 :) |
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| 11:02.43 | kamathln | Gecko: LOL |
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| 11:03.24 | antii | can anyone give me some examples of good proxy servers? |
| 11:03.41 | gunkamanti | hark: very strange, now antiword installs fine... |
| 11:03.43 | antii | i need to be able to run it from school so i can do all i want |
| 11:03.44 | gunkamanti | wtf? |
| 11:04.03 | wedge | antii: setup a vpn |
| 11:04.17 | antii | wedge: like OpenVPN? |
| 11:04.26 | wedge | yes |
| 11:04.33 | wedge | and tunnel through port 80 |
| 11:04.38 | antii | ah |
| 11:04.47 | antii | but then i need Openvpn software on my school laptop :P? |
| 11:04.48 | wedge | then you can connect with your laptop at school or whatever |
| 11:04.51 | wedge | to your home computer |
| 11:04.56 | wedge | what os on your school laptop? |
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| 11:05.09 | wedge | and yes you need openvpns oftware on your laptop |
| 11:05.21 | antii | wedge: im running debian on it |
| 11:05.26 | EugenMayer | any problems known with CIFS mounted samba shared and openooffice? I seem to be not able to save a file, but craete new ones |
| 11:05.32 | aGGiS | ssh and nomachine? |
| 11:06.14 | hark | gunkamanti: yeah |
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| 11:06.21 | gunkamanti | how can that be that one package is unknown, and after a minute is known? ... |
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| 11:06.46 | gunkamanti | same with wv. |
| 11:07.10 | gunkamanti | whatever, i'll attribute it to a glitch in the matrix and move on ;) |
| 11:07.12 | antii | wedge: why? |
| 11:07.15 | nsadmin | define "to know" |
| 11:07.40 | hark | antii: ssh socks proxy? |
| 11:07.50 | antii | hark: whats that? |
| 11:08.13 | joltcan | ssh DynamicForward <3 |
| 11:08.43 | joltcan | ssh host -D 1234, to make a socks proxy on port 1234 |
| 11:08.58 | joltcan | it's the new black. Now: lunch |
| 11:09.05 | nsadmin | EugenMayer known problems will be on the bts |
| 11:09.21 | antii | dont need a client then? |
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| 11:09.50 | gunkamanti | nsadmin: one minute "apt-get install antiword" -> unknown package, the other minute it installs. |
| 11:09.54 | hark | antii: no, and just set it in firefox |
| 11:10.03 | antii | oh nice |
| 11:10.08 | antii | but what software do i need on my server? |
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| 11:10.35 | hark | just openssh-server |
| 11:10.43 | antii | oh |
| 11:11.05 | neoice | anyone know how to set up a dummy device in Lenny Xen? |
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| 11:23.23 | cantoma | Hi there I am trying to mount a ntfs drive using a normal user! I had something simple to fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /home/jduro/media/sda1/ ntfs rw,users,noauto 0 0" but i realize that in order to access it I need to set using a normal user I need to set up umask accordingly! I checked man mount and regarding umask only says that is an octal string! It doesn't give information regarding its content! Where can I |
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| 11:24.55 | enouf | Hey - i think i found a bug in Less |
| 11:24.57 | enouf | http://rafb.net/p/iNIgo730.html |
| 11:25.18 | enouf | anyone want to try and confirm? |
| 11:25.36 | enouf | in the search aspect and case-sensitivities |
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| 11:25.50 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.54 | Rokstead1 | is there a similar solution as /etc/profile.d/xxx.sh in Debian? |
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| 11:27.03 | EugenMayer | out of any reasons i get a Input/output error when trying to write on a CIFS mounted samba share. Any ideas? |
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| 11:29.07 | Elvish_Pillager | Hello. I installed debian (lenny) recently on my PPC box, and my games have no sound. Sound works fine for most other things, but not games. I'm assuming that they're using a different sound system or something, but I have no idea what it is - can I get some help here? |
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| 11:31.26 | debian_noob | Hi all |
| 11:31.54 | enouf | a little follow up using "man rsync |
| 11:32.03 | enouf | a little follow up using "man rsync" this time as an example http://rafb.net/p/ZLbSc872.html |
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| 11:32.09 | debian_noob | ive got a problem,my OS is not recognizing many filetypes |
| 11:32.17 | debian_noob | eg jpg |
| 11:32.30 | debian_noob | i have to open with eog to view it |
| 11:32.42 | gunkamanti | which window manager do you use? |
| 11:32.57 | gunkamanti | ok, probably gnome. |
| 11:32.57 | enouf | Rokstead1: i know there have been /etc/*.d/ dirs added as of late to alleviate/change the way some config options are done |
| 11:33.11 | Rokstead1 | enouf: I just read a few long mail threads about it |
| 11:33.16 | debian_noob | gunkamanti:right |
| 11:33.17 | enouf | Rokstead1: such as /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ for one |
| 11:33.21 | gunkamanti | debian_noob: you can check in #gnome if you get no answer here. |
| 11:33.28 | debian_noob | ok |
| 11:33.31 | debian_noob | maybe |
| 11:33.33 | enouf | Rokstead1: such as /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ for another |
| 11:33.34 | Rokstead1 | i like the way redhat and suse does it, because it helps add stuff to $PATH for example by means of packaging |
| 11:33.39 | debian_noob | but let me see |
| 11:33.48 | enouf | Rokstead1: such as /etc/grub.d/ for another |
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| 11:34.16 | enouf | we've had /etc/udev/rules.d/ for sometime |
| 11:34.22 | Rokstead1 | yup |
| 11:34.35 | debian_noob | anybody knows how to solve the problem with filetypes? |
| 11:34.36 | Rokstead1 | hope we get profile.d too soon. |
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| 11:35.09 | debian_noob | even the .desktop files are being opened with gedit |
| 11:35.13 | enouf | Rokstead1: maybe file a wishlist bug? |
| 11:35.21 | enouf | or atleast check if one hasn |
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| 11:35.25 | Rokstead1 | enouf: i'm pretty sure it's already up there |
| 11:35.27 | enouf | been filed? |
| 11:35.32 | enouf | oh |
| 11:35.33 | Trewas | EugenMayer: some samba server versions are broken with new enough cifs and that causes weird errors, more info for example there https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/286828/comments/56 (the bug has nothing to do with ubuntu per se, just had the url handy) |
| 11:35.48 | debian_noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.53 | Rokstead1 | enouf: judging by the many discussion threads I found by one quick google I think so |
| 11:36.04 | EugenMayer | Trewas: thank you |
| 11:36.05 | debian_noob | i have to open .jpg files manually |
| 11:36.15 | debian_noob | can anybody help me? |
| 11:36.22 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: Trewas don't many games use OSS ? |
| 11:36.25 | gunkamanti | is there a way to save all installed packages as a config file, so i can use this when installing a new system? |
| 11:36.27 | enouf | er |
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| 11:36.39 | enouf | EugenMayer: Trewas don't many games use OSS ? |
| 11:36.44 | petemc | gunkamanti: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 11:36.48 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: ignore me - bad tab |
| 11:36.58 | gunkamanti | thx petemc |
| 11:36.59 | enouf | EugenMayer: is alsa-oss installed? |
| 11:37.01 | Elvish_Pillager | but what you said applies directly to my query :o |
| 11:37.05 | debian_noob | can anybody help me? |
| 11:37.10 | EugenMayer | Trewas: actually my client is intrepid, my server is debain etch |
| 11:37.14 | Elvish_Pillager | so that's a funny coincidence |
| 11:37.24 | EugenMayer | enouf: wrong highlight? |
| 11:37.25 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: NO WAI! |
| 11:37.38 | enouf | fuck! |
| 11:37.42 | enouf | sorry |
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| 11:38.00 | enouf | goes back to school take reading lessons |
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| 11:38.06 | enouf | abd writing |
| 11:38.13 | enouf | :-P |
| 11:38.14 | petemc | typing, too |
| 11:38.14 | Trewas | EugenMayer: that's exactly the buggy combination |
| 11:38.32 | Elvish_Pillager | so probably that means that OSS isn't working for me (and yes, I have alsa-oss and oss-compat installed) |
| 11:39.10 | enouf | EugenMayer: wait -> yes i wrongly highlighted another ... but you're the one with Games and Samba on PPC issues? |
| 11:39.20 | enouf | I SUCK |
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| 11:39.26 | enouf | goes to bed |
| 11:39.38 | debian_noob | enouf:goodnight |
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| 11:39.43 | EugenMayer | enouf: my issue has nothing to do with games. Just a CIFS samba mount making troubles writing on it |
| 11:39.56 | EugenMayer | Trewas: so updating the samba server of etch should help? |
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| 11:40.04 | Elvish_Pillager | yeah, I'm the one with games on PPC issues, and I don't know what "samba" is :P |
| 11:40.11 | EugenMayer | i mean, what about dist-upgrading Trewas, are any problems known there? |
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| 11:41.00 | Trewas | EugenMayer: buggy servers were 3.0.24 and 3.0.25 and etch has 3.0.24, lenny is much newer so the problem should be gone |
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| 11:41.23 | EugenMayer | So Trewas, is dist-upgrade working for etch -> lenny? |
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| 11:41.55 | Trewas | EugenMayer: in general it should work, I haven't tried myself |
| 11:42.06 | CaT[t3] | eug: wfm |
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| 11:42.49 | CaT[t3] | eug: i've so far gone sarge->etch->lenny on this box. all with apt-get update and dist-upgrade |
| 11:44.36 | blast_hardcheese | Hey, I've just set up a Debian Live system, to enable home persistence do I need to specify "persistence" in the kernel args? The docs are a bit unclear, "persistence" is required for live-rw to be detected, but what about home-rw? I would assume so, but what if I have home-rw and no live-rw? |
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| 11:45.48 | nijan | Hi all, I remember of a graphical web browser that could be used from the shell, does anybody know if it still extists and what is its name? |
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| 11:46.07 | liable | links2 |
| 11:46.09 | enouf | !links2 |
| 11:46.09 | dpkg | i heard links2 is a text and graphics browser with https and javascript. http://packages.debian.org/links2, or for using in Console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in Console in GUI mode) Ask me about <links2 settings> |
| 11:46.19 | enouf | and others, w3m |
| 11:46.39 | nijan | w3m is graphical? |
| 11:46.45 | enouf | nijan: do you mean from Console ? as opposed to xterm? Shell is misleading |
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| 11:46.50 | enouf | no idea |
| 11:47.05 | nijan | Don t think so |
| 11:47.09 | enouf | do you mean without X? |
| 11:47.15 | enouf | yes you do |
| 11:47.34 | enouf | cause ANY browser can be launched from the "shell" |
| 11:47.36 | nijan | yes without it |
| 11:47.42 | enouf | links2 is one |
| 11:47.47 | enouf | i use it |
| 11:48.03 | enouf | without X kind of implies Console ;-) |
| 11:48.14 | nijan | yes links was what I was looking for |
| 11:48.19 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: Frame buffer web browser! Get on it! |
| 11:48.21 | blast_hardcheese | ;) |
| 11:48.30 | enouf | nijan: links2 -g is the GUI supported one |
| 11:48.35 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: yep ;-) |
| 11:48.42 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: see #debian-live |
| 11:49.00 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: Ah, good idea |
| 11:49.09 | enouf | vga=791 is a handy boot param ;-) |
| 11:49.13 | enouf | or similar |
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| 11:49.46 | enouf | i think links2 -g will only do 800x600 though in console, not sure - but it's very usable |
| 11:50.06 | enouf | nomax: make sure you reaad that README.Debian |
| 11:50.14 | enouf | er nijan |
| 11:50.21 | enouf | !tabsmite me |
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| 11:50.39 | xk | hmm |
| 11:50.41 | xk | !tabsmite me |
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| 11:51.46 | nijan | enouf: trying to get it works |
| 11:51.54 | nijan | -s+ |
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| 11:52.40 | enouf | need directfb |
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| 11:54.19 | nijan | hmm, I see |
| 11:54.41 | nijan | I ll have a coloured splash boot pic also |
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| 11:56.33 | Elvish_Pillager | hmph. google reveals that my problem is _common_, but the solutions it provides don't work |
| 11:56.56 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 11:56.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 11:57.41 | Elvish_Pillager | They don't do anything. A couple threads suggested running modprobe sound_pcm_oss and sound_mixer_oss; I did this, it seems to have had no affect |
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| 11:58.58 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: restart/reload alsa? using gnome? |
| 11:59.03 | Elvish_Pillager | yes, gnome |
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| 11:59.12 | Elvish_Pillager | how do I reload alsa? |
| 11:59.25 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: system > preferences > preferred devices? |
| 11:59.35 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: system > preferences > sound ? |
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| 11:59.50 | enouf | alsaconf - but there's another way |
| 12:00.06 | enouf | alsa reload or something |
| 12:00.10 | Elvish_Pillager | the first doesn't exist and the second doesn't offer a way |
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| 12:00.29 | Elvish_Pillager | hmm, I don't have alsaconf |
| 12:00.38 | enouf | uBuntu! |
| 12:00.41 | enouf | go away |
| 12:00.51 | Elvish_Pillager | huh? |
| 12:01.20 | enouf | !find sbin/alsaconf |
| 12:01.35 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: as root |
| 12:01.50 | enouf | or sudo |
| 12:01.51 | Elvish_Pillager | oh |
| 12:02.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/alsaconf' (1): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 12:02.08 | xk | !find sbin/sudo |
| 12:02.10 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: you can't do anything system-wide without being root/sudo |
| 12:02.15 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sbin/sudo' returned no results. |
| 12:02.26 | xk | hmmm.. that bug still hasn't been fixed. |
| 12:02.30 | enouf | xk: do which sudo in your shell |
| 12:02.40 | xk | enouf: just testing dpkg the bot |
| 12:02.56 | enouf | !find bin/sudo |
| 12:03.00 | maxagaz | how to check if a package is present ? |
| 12:03.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/sudo' (2): (/usr/bin/sudoku_generator) in misc/vdr-plugin-sudoku ;; (/usr/bin/{sudo|sudoedit}) in admin/sudo,admin/sudo-ldap. |
| 12:03.11 | xk | hmmm/// weird |
| 12:03.17 | enouf | maxagaz: dpkg -l |
| 12:03.27 | enouf | xk: it needs to be setuid root |
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| 12:03.44 | xk | enouf: im glad to see my changes to infobot (dpkg and apt) still run to this day :) |
| 12:03.50 | maxagaz | enouf, thanx |
| 12:04.22 | enouf | maxagaz: /msg dpkg grounding (should be helpful ;-)) |
| 12:04.31 | enouf | xk: nice |
| 12:04.52 | xk | can;t believe its nearly been 10 years since i first made changes to infobot |
| 12:04.58 | Elvish_Pillager | okay, ran alsaconf - nothing changed |
| 12:05.16 | Elvish_Pillager | it said "amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory" ; is that anything to worry about ? |
| 12:05.18 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 12:05.21 | enouf | select alsa |
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| 12:05.47 | enouf | but maybe you just need to specify it (or your card) within your app |
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| 12:06.01 | enouf | could be |
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| 12:06.15 | Elvish_Pillager | did that |
| 12:06.40 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: system > preferences > preferred devices <== there exists something LIKE that |
| 12:06.48 | enouf | i don't use gnome |
| 12:06.54 | enouf | but i know it's there |
| 12:07.16 | enouf | try gconf-editor too = /msg dpkg gnome |
| 12:07.22 | enouf | restart your DE sessions |
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| 12:09.12 | Elvish_Pillager | I don't see anything similar to "preferred devices" (of course I'm not sure what I'm looking for) |
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| 12:13.36 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: dpkg -l \*alsa* | grep ^.i |
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| 12:14.28 | Elvish_Pillager | yeah? |
| 12:14.30 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: lshal | grep device.file | sort ; cat /proc/asound/{driver,cards} |
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| 12:15.18 | enouf | sorry |
| 12:15.27 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: cat /proc/asound/{modules,cards} |
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| 12:15.52 | enouf | what? |
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| 12:16.07 | djace | is there any safe and easy way to copy all contents from one partition to another, which aren't the same size? |
| 12:16.19 | enouf | rsync -a ; cp -a |
| 12:16.22 | enouf | tar |
| 12:16.26 | enouf | and gzip |
| 12:16.29 | Elvish_Pillager | do you mean, what does that output? |
| 12:16.38 | dutchfish | djace, partimage |
| 12:16.53 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: pastebin the output of commands |
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| 12:17.18 | djace | thanks to both :D |
| 12:17.22 | enouf | dd the 1st 63 sectors :-P |
| 12:17.39 | enouf | of the partition .. but .. careful .. |
| 12:17.47 | dutchfish | enouf, partimage does that laready take in account (mbr) |
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| 12:17.56 | dutchfish | s/laready/already |
| 12:18.27 | Elvish_Pillager | http://pastebin.ca/1342812h |
| 12:18.29 | Elvish_Pillager | err |
| 12:18.31 | enouf | djace: for non-bootable partition, setup the other one (mkfs on it) and use a copying tool i mentioned |
| 12:18.32 | amigrave | what is the name of the package which adds something in kde3's kcontrol in order change gnome apps theme and fonts ? |
| 12:18.34 | Elvish_Pillager | http://pastebin.ca/1342812 |
| 12:19.01 | enouf | dutchfish: i know - otherwise it'd be pretty useless ;-) |
| 12:19.14 | dutchfish | enouf, ;) |
| 12:19.42 | enouf | amigrave: apt-cache search gtk qt theme |
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| 12:20.03 | enouf | gtk-qt-engine - theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x |
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| 12:20.05 | enouf | i think |
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| 12:22.57 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: everything looks ok there |
| 12:23.19 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: i really think it's a GAME issue - try some GNU games? |
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| 12:23.35 | Elvish_Pillager | suggest one |
| 12:23.42 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: or maybe look into something like mpd? as a server/client ? |
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| 12:23.56 | enouf | i don't know - look in your menu |
| 12:24.22 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: http://tutalouco.br.tripod.com/indexeng.html |
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| 12:25.16 | Elvish_Pillager | ...these are GNU games? |
| 12:25.31 | enouf | well - Free games - i meant |
| 12:25.34 | Elvish_Pillager | oh |
| 12:25.49 | dutchfish | Does debian contain a package to create/edit soundfonts ... bankwise preffered ...? |
| 12:25.52 | Elvish_Pillager | I only play free games already :) |
| 12:26.08 | Elvish_Pillager | blob wars, wesnoth |
| 12:26.11 | enouf | dutchfish: that'd be midi related, no? |
| 12:26.18 | dutchfish | enouf, yep |
| 12:26.26 | enouf | dutchfish: very proprietary those thungs are |
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| 12:26.50 | enouf | Elvish_Pillager: well, research for some that use alsa |
| 12:26.56 | dutchfish | enouf, i have created 2 of my own back then, want to convert them fro KORG to standaard GM fonts |
| 12:27.21 | enouf | have you no tshooting skills? ever hear Process of Elimination? ;-) |
| 12:28.19 | enouf | dutchfish: i should know, if i was involved in all that still, but i don't know at all - really only know of things like timidity and such |
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| 12:28.44 | dutchfish | enouf, no worry, i fianlly get it right |
| 12:28.48 | Elvish_Pillager | UQM's sound works when I tell it to use openAL instead of mixsdl |
| 12:28.54 | Farhadix | what is second column of "ls -l" result? |
| 12:28.56 | dutchfish | s/fianlly/finally |
| 12:29.13 | Lirezh | How can i restrict all virtual consoles to only console 1? like removing the alt+Fx shortcuts |
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| 12:31.34 | fireba11 | geez ... lenny release notes tell me to apt-get install apt first .. however that would remove my apache along with a heap of other stuff .. ^^ no-will-do :-) |
| 12:31.36 | superjet_busy | disable vt swtich in xorg.conf |
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| 12:33.52 | shingouz | hey? if i edit the grub menu.lst, do i need to run some update-grub or something before the edit works on boot? like with lilo.conf and running lilo after that? |
| 12:33.53 | chlue_ | fireba11: afaik apache is no longer part of debian stable. You have to tswitch to apache2 or keep these stuff from oldstable |
| 12:34.01 | Elvish_Pillager | w00t |
| 12:34.02 | petemc | shingouz: no |
| 12:34.11 | Elvish_Pillager | export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa solved my problem |
| 12:34.30 | Elvish_Pillager | thanks for the help |
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| 12:34.41 | enouf | Lirezh: i think you comment out avail ones in -- wait - edit /etc/inittab - or only boot into single user (recovery) |
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| 12:35.01 | shingouz | petemc: hmm... in that case i need to do another try with acpi=force. edited the menu.lst and it still keeps acpi off because of an old bios |
| 12:35.04 | enouf | !sdl |
| 12:35.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdl is the Simple DirectMedia Layer at http://libsdl.org/, or see esd-sdl, or #sdl |
| 12:35.12 | enouf | yeah = what a crock |
| 12:35.23 | enouf | like MPoop DirectX or someshit |
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| 12:35.58 | petemc | shingouz: i should suffix that statement with, you dont need to do anything if you're just changing the order of the kernels, there may be some things you need to run update-grub for |
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| 12:36.44 | enouf | shingouz: update-grub would try to automate what you did but with edits ;-) |
| 12:36.54 | enouf | er that you did with your edits |
| 12:37.01 | zafer__ | how do I permanently deactivate portmapper in debian 5 ? |
| 12:37.05 | shingouz | enouf: huh? |
| 12:37.20 | enouf | shingouz: acpi=force works if acpi is actually available |
| 12:37.27 | enouf | shingouz: what? |
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| 12:37.53 | enouf | shingouz: my .26 kernel doesn't need it though - heck i think .16 did, .18 didn't |
| 12:38.11 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.34 | enouf | shingouz: where did you append acpi=force? |
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| 12:39.02 | rpaulson | 7/wii rpaulson |
| 12:39.04 | enouf | zafer is a goner |
| 12:39.07 | rpaulson | oops |
| 12:39.10 | Studiosus | hi! Guy I know have his PS/2 notebook keyboard non-functional during install of lenny. External USB keyboard works. How this can be solved? |
| 12:39.21 | shingouz | enouf: behind the appropriate kernel line and acpi is present on the box, just that the system does not want to enable it automagically because the bios is too old |
| 12:39.53 | enouf | Studiosus: do you have ability in BIOS to disable ps/2 port?> |
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| 12:40.16 | enouf | shingouz: not true - that param OVERRIDES the default |
| 12:40.25 | enouf | shingouz: your kernel sucks |
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| 12:40.36 | shingouz | enouf: probably :D |
| 12:40.42 | enouf | shingouz: you don't need any acpi pkgs |
| 12:40.57 | enouf | shingouz: it's all in the kernel |
| 12:41.07 | enouf | for what we;re talking about |
| 12:41.09 | shingouz | mmm... true... enouf |
| 12:41.45 | Studiosus | no, only usb legacy support can be turned off, but it don't help |
| 12:41.52 | Studiosus | enouf no, only usb legacy support can be turned off, but it don't help |
| 12:42.49 | enouf | Studiosus: the config option ACPI_BLACKLIST is the option you refer to - but as i said acpi=force overrides it |
| 12:43.14 | enouf | Studiosus: i see, does the port work physically at all? not fried out? |
| 12:43.26 | enouf | the ps/2 keyboard you're using isn'y bad? |
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| 12:43.48 | Studiosus | enouf are you sure ACPI has something to do with PS/2? in bios notebook's keyboard works, so port seems to work. Notebook is of quite new model. |
| 12:43.49 | enouf | Studiosus: which debian release and which kernel? |
| 12:44.18 | enouf | what? |
| 12:44.26 | enouf | cat /proc/bus/imput |
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| 12:44.32 | enouf | cat /proc/bus/input |
| 12:44.34 | Studiosus | enouf I don't know exact version/kernel, but I can tell that same problem is encountered when installing Ubuntu 8.10 |
| 12:45.03 | enouf | cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
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| 12:45.16 | dutchfish | Studiosus, ubu 8.10 has 2.6.27.9 |
| 12:45.18 | enouf | Studiosus: ubuntu support is not available here |
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| 12:45.54 | dutchfish | Studiosus, uname -a maybe? |
| 12:45.58 | enouf | Studiosus: use lshw, dmidecode and other tools to see if the port is seen by SMBUS and friends |
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| 12:46.14 | enouf | it's likey fried, or it's a S-Video port :-P |
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| 12:46.52 | enouf | Studiosus: your kernel sucks |
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| 12:47.11 | enouf | N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" |
| 12:47.41 | enouf | N: Name="Plus More Enterprise LTD. USB-compliant keyboard" |
| 12:47.55 | enouf | yes. i have both types plugged in ;-) |
| 12:48.11 | dutchfish | enouf, he could use the keyboard in bios ..... |
| 12:48.21 | enouf | dutchfish: what? |
| 12:48.56 | dutchfish | enouf, that is what he stated |
| 12:49.12 | enouf | dutchfish: notebook integrated keyboard != ps/2 port connected keyboard |
| 12:50.20 | dutchfish | enouf, quote ... enouf are you sure ACPI has something to do with PS/2? in bios notebook's keyboard works, so port seems to work. Notebook is of quite new model. |
| 12:50.24 | enouf | Studiosus: please forgive me - i sent YOU two messages that i meant to send to shingouz |
| 12:50.33 | enouf | the ACPI related ones |
| 12:50.40 | enouf | wait |
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| 12:51.01 | enouf | sorry - just ONE message above -t he ACPI one |
| 12:51.04 | enouf | shingouz: go read |
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| 12:52.06 | amigrave | enouf: thanks ! |
| 12:52.07 | Studiosus | enouf ok :) but integrated keyboard seems to be PS/2 since that is what can be seen in Windows. I can add that during boot kernel prints something like 'Can't find ps/2 controller' |
| 12:52.28 | enouf | amigrave: heh - welcome |
| 12:52.42 | enouf | Studiosus: windows sucks ass |
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| 12:53.36 | enouf | Studiosus: it's possible ... if really new hardware, whichever kernel you're using hasn't the support yet |
| 12:54.07 | enouf | or .. is the ps/2 port connected to a PCI card that emulates it? or whatever? |
| 12:54.19 | enouf | oh wait - it''s a Craptop = i forgot |
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| 13:00.42 | jpinx | what are the total minimum packages to install on a base system to get X working on lenny - do I still need xorg? |
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| 13:01.31 | jpinx | it's a fresh minimal base install atm |
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| 13:02.02 | jpinx | thus far I've only installed sudo |
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| 13:02.25 | liable | yes you need xorg |
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| 13:02.42 | liable | seeing as that is what x is :P |
| 13:03.05 | jpinx | liable: ok - I just seem to remember something about things changing while I wasn't watching ;) |
| 13:03.14 | oleavr | hi. from userspace, is there a way to blacklist a specific USB device by vendor/device id so that the appropriate driver isn't loaded? (apart from blacklisting the entire driver, which I don't want) |
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| 13:04.23 | lventura | which program I can use to see the speed of my trafic in my ftp server? |
| 13:04.30 | xxtjaxx | whgich is the command for the packet search ? |
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| 13:04.50 | tobberoth | I'm trying to create an USB stick with a netinst image to install debian... I've inserted the stick and umounted it... it's /dev/sdg1... but I can't zcat the boot.img.gz to it, I get permission denied even when using sudo |
| 13:05.12 | peeaivo | hey, is it possible to install debian on macbook without having refit installed ? |
| 13:05.14 | yang | Is it possible to resize a LVM (ext) filesystem when adding a second volume into it with resize2fs, with a MOUNTED fs ? |
| 13:05.25 | rpaulson | tobberoth: have you created a partition? |
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| 13:05.32 | xxtjaxx | yang no+ |
| 13:05.38 | yang | does the |
| 13:05.42 | yang | debian ships with |
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| 13:05.43 | yang | ext2online |
| 13:05.46 | yang | patch |
| 13:05.49 | tobberoth | rpaulson: No, it doesn't say in the guide that I have to... |
| 13:06.04 | rpaulson | tobberoth: link to guide please |
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| 13:06.16 | tobberoth | rpaulson: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 13:06.22 | yang | xxtjaxx: why not? |
| 13:06.22 | tobberoth | I'm attempting to do the easy way |
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| 13:06.42 | rpaulson | it doesn't say sdg1 it says sdg |
| 13:06.48 | lventura | I want to see the speed with which data are entering in my ftp server. How to do? |
| 13:06.51 | rpaulson | (which is the complete device, not the first partition) |
| 13:07.02 | tobberoth | rpaulson: Oh I see, i didn't realize the difference :D |
| 13:07.11 | petemc | lventura: iptraf, jnettop |
| 13:07.16 | xxtjaxx | yang cuz its m,ounted so tzhe syystem has permanent access to it an d u would havb e to unmount it |
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| 13:07.30 | rpaulson | tobberoth: be sure you have nothing of value on that stick |
| 13:07.53 | tobberoth | rpaulson: No worries, it's a completely new stick, just opened the package :) |
| 13:08.13 | rpaulson | tobberoth: allright |
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| 13:08.25 | tobberoth | rpaulson: I'm still getting permission denied :/ |
| 13:08.32 | lventura | petemc ok thnx |
| 13:08.46 | rpaulson | tobberoth: ls -l /dev/sdg |
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| 13:09.04 | rcp | :D |
| 13:09.12 | tobberoth | rpaulson: That's odd, it claims the file or folder doesn't exist |
| 13:09.29 | rpaulson | tobberoth: dmesg | tail what does it say? |
| 13:09.49 | rpaulson | it should tell you the name of the storage device |
| 13:09.58 | rpaulson | after you plug it in |
| 13:10.20 | lventura | quit |
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| 13:11.29 | tobberoth | rpaulson: It says unable to enumerate USB device in port |
| 13:11.47 | rpaulson | try another usb port? |
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| 13:12.01 | tobberoth | hmm yeah, i'll try one of the ports in the back.. |
| 13:12.01 | rpaulson | or google linux <usb stick name> |
| 13:12.28 | bkw | Booting from a ide disk and a satadisk attached freeze at "ide1: port already in use" after the boot loader. Are there any workaround for this problem? |
| 13:13.22 | tobberoth | rpaulson: I got a lot more now that i entered it correctly, I'll paste the ouput. |
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| 13:14.16 | tobberoth | rpaulson: http://pastebin.com/d12e7fa72 |
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| 13:14.53 | pete_ | hi! I have NTFS partition inside LVM volume. How can i mount it? |
| 13:14.59 | tobberoth | Should I umount the stick before running the zcat command, or should I run it now? |
| 13:15.16 | pete_ | i mean i got LVM and inside that is partition table and i want to mount that one partition |
| 13:15.17 | rpaulson | tobberoth: let me guess, it's a sandisk cruzer? |
| 13:15.41 | tobberoth | rpaulson: Yes, I think so |
| 13:15.49 | rpaulson | tobberoth: yes, unmount it |
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| 13:16.24 | enouf | jpinx: xserver-xorg-core .. but you might be missing some much needed things, and racking your brain trying to figure out what they are :-P |
| 13:16.36 | enouf | judd: versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 13:16.37 | judd | enouf: xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 lenny: 2:1.4.2-10 sid: 2:1.4.2-10 squeeze: 2:1.4.2-10 experimental: 2:1.5.99.902-1 |
| 13:16.43 | pete_ | let me guess. you fagots dont know |
| 13:16.45 | tobberoth | rpaulson: Same error, permission denied :/ |
| 13:16.58 | lhgergo | hello |
| 13:17.07 | enouf | jpinx: xorg is the metapackage that makes it all nicenice from the getgo |
| 13:17.15 | tobberoth | rpaulson: However, ls -l /dev/sdg worked now |
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| 13:17.27 | lhgergo | what is your opinion: should i use lenny or sid? |
| 13:17.28 | tobberoth | this is the output: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 96 2009-02-20 14:12 /dev/sdg |
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| 13:18.15 | enouf | pete_: no you don't |
| 13:18.55 | pete_ | enouf: thats it absolutily true :D |
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| 13:19.01 | enouf | your 1st statement would make more sense than your 2nd one, bit both are wrong |
| 13:19.05 | pete_ | i know it has something todo with kpartx |
| 13:19.06 | icebrain | lhgergo: it depends on what you want |
| 13:19.07 | enouf | s/bit/but |
| 13:19.31 | enouf | pete_: a partition table is nothing more than data |
| 13:19.37 | lhgergo | icebrain, I'd like to use debian as a desktop system |
| 13:19.48 | jpinx | enouf: thanks - I just have a memory of somebody saying there was another way to get X going in less HDD space |
| 13:19.53 | lhgergo | like ubuntu |
| 13:20.14 | enouf | pete_: a MBR consists of some code + BPB + VolumeLabel area + a Partition Table + Signature bytes |
| 13:20.18 | pete_ | enouf: yes, but howto mount it? |
| 13:20.27 | enouf | you don't |
| 13:20.28 | petemc | enouf: why waste your time talking to idiots? |
| 13:20.35 | rpaulson | tobberoth: try su - to become root |
| 13:20.48 | enouf | petemc: maybe i can help .. i need a drink .. hold on everyone |
| 13:20.52 | icebrain | lhgergo: only use Sid if you are prepared to have a system that can break on each upgrade and force you to learn to do stuff by hand |
| 13:20.57 | pete_ | enouf: eeh...that makes no sense. I know i can mount LVM VG inside LVM with kpartx. So why cant i mount NTFS inside LVM LV? |
| 13:21.03 | avu | gfunk |
| 13:21.07 | avu | oops |
| 13:21.11 | avu | irssifail |
| 13:21.13 | icebrain | lhgergo: if you want a system that works fine use Lenny, it's stable |
| 13:21.24 | pete_ | well, i can use usb-passthrough but still.. |
| 13:21.34 | jpinx | lhgergo: lenny makes a fine desktop |
| 13:21.36 | lhgergo | icebrain, and can i install sid packages onto lenny? |
| 13:21.46 | lhgergo | for example i'd like to use newer wine |
| 13:21.49 | tobberoth | rpaulson: I.. can't O.o my password doesn't seem to be working, wtf |
| 13:22.03 | icebrain | lhgergo: yeah, but any package from Sid can bring problems |
| 13:22.15 | lhgergo | I see |
| 13:22.20 | lhgergo | thanks |
| 13:22.25 | icebrain | lhgergo: but I use Sid |
| 13:22.36 | rpaulson | tobberoth: sudo passwd root |
| 13:22.42 | rpaulson | and change the password for root |
| 13:22.44 | jpinx | lhgergo: I have heard it said that sid is no less stable than other distros |
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| 13:23.11 | enouf | pete_: LVM VG has nothing to do with ntfs, nor a typical "DOS partition table" |
| 13:23.24 | tobberoth | rpaulson: Awesome, thanks :) the zcat command seems to be working now |
| 13:23.32 | rpaulson | tobberoth: great :) |
| 13:23.38 | enouf | pete_: and i have no idea what kpartx is |
| 13:23.51 | icebrain | lhgergo: I don't have any problems with Sid, but that doesn't mean I won't |
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| 13:24.38 | pete_ | enouf: i know you dont know :D |
| 13:25.13 | lhgergo | icebrain, so lenny is the version called stable, because in it there ii surely no bugs |
| 13:25.16 | lhgergo | ? |
| 13:25.19 | enouf | pete_: that's not a good way to get any more help from me :-) |
| 13:25.24 | enouf | see? i can smile too |
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| 13:26.12 | icebrain | lhgergo: no bugs is impossible, but it's rock solid, it has been extremely tested and you won't find any major problem |
| 13:26.16 | bolt-wor1 | lhgergo: it's called stable because no new stuff gets into it except for bugfixes and security fixes |
| 13:26.39 | pete_ | enouf: thanks mate anyway. i figure out it already |
| 13:27.05 | enouf | you figured out i wa right? congratulations ;-) |
| 13:27.29 | lhgergo | bold-work, so if i'd like to use FRESH and stable software, i shouldn't use lenny? |
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| 13:27.38 | tdn | After installing Lenny on my file server, the clients (Ubuntu) are having problems with *very* slow NFS. Is there a known problem causing this? I have not been able to find anything in the release notes about it. |
| 13:27.44 | tarzeau | is someone good with gimp script-fu? i want a script to batch process 1000 files, 1st scale the image down to 640xWHATEVER keeping aspect ratio, then layer, liquid rescale WHATEVERx360... |
| 13:27.44 | enouf | lhgergo: atleast lenny, yes |
| 13:27.50 | enouf | lhgergo: start with lenny |
| 13:28.12 | enouf | lhgergo: Lenny was just released - it's FRESH .. and EXCITING! |
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| 13:28.20 | p0g0 | tarzeau: imagemagik is well suited for that |
| 13:28.22 | EugenMayer_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.45 | enouf | tarzeau: as p0g0 said. i think 'convert' cmd |
| 13:28.54 | tarzeau | p0g0: no, it can't do liquid rescale |
| 13:29.03 | tarzeau | enouf: i want to use liquid rescale, which imagemagick can not do |
| 13:29.04 | enouf | tarzeau: then there's the 'mogrify' one IIRC, that does NOT make a copy |
| 13:29.08 | p0g0 | tarzeau: what is that ? |
| 13:29.15 | tarzeau | enouf: yes i know but it doesn't do liquid rescale either |
| 13:29.35 | enouf | tarzeau: maybe running IrfanView in WINE ? :-P |
| 13:29.37 | enouf | runs |
| 13:29.41 | tarzeau | p0g0: it's a plugin for gimp, which not just cuts away lines, but lines that are least seen/processed by the brain, check youtube.com for gimp liquid rescale |
| 13:29.51 | tarzeau | enouf: it doesn't have liquid rescale, does it? |
| 13:29.58 | enouf | tarzeau: ya know? no idea |
| 13:30.06 | enouf | i don't even know what that means |
| 13:30.11 | lhgergo | enouf, i've already installed lenny. Unforunately some of the games, ive already run on Ubuntu with wine, doesn't work on Debian |
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| 13:30.35 | lhgergo | is it because the wine is older in it? |
| 13:30.35 | enouf | lhgergo: there's no reason why you cannot make them work |
| 13:30.39 | enouf | perhaps |
| 13:30.50 | enouf | but then you just backport a newer version |
| 13:30.52 | lhgergo | ok |
| 13:30.53 | enouf | well .. |
| 13:30.59 | lhgergo | thanks |
| 13:31.03 | enouf | somethings that you might .. wait |
| 13:32.11 | enouf | somethings that you might want to backport into Stable/Lenny would require a newer say "libc6" which is the underlying system libc, and so, yuou'd have to dist-upgrade to Testing/Squeeze - or fight really hard to bacport all pkgs involved |
| 13:32.18 | enouf | oh crap |
| 13:32.45 | p0g0 | tarzeau: you shrinking the images or trying to scale them up? There are a lot of tools for smoothing, degaussing that work well to remove artifacts in many formats, in imagemagik as well gimp as well as others. They work on reduction a lot better than magnification. |
| 13:32.57 | azeem_ | enouf: it's pretty unlikely general purpose applications use glibc feature newer than the one in lenny |
| 13:33.25 | tarzeau | p0g0: neihter. i try to liquid scale it, it's a special process, you need to check the youtube video to understand it |
| 13:33.27 | enouf | azeem: WINE is general purpose? |
| 13:33.53 | tarzeau | p0g0: it's not about removing artifacts, it's about keeping the aspect ratio, and changing the aspect ratio image size |
| 13:34.05 | enouf | azeem: i appreciate that input though - good to know |
| 13:34.06 | liable | yes, cooking, drinking, pickling |
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| 13:34.19 | enouf | liable: don't forget the spices! |
| 13:34.25 | tarzeau | p0g0: i'm not trying to magnify, i scale down. basically i change a bunch of pictures from 4:3 to 16:9 format for a photoframe |
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| 13:34.41 | azeem | enouf: I didn't read scrollback, Wine is certainly an exception |
| 13:34.49 | p0g0 | liable: drinking is a variant of pickling... |
| 13:34.55 | enouf | azeem: ;-) |
| 13:35.04 | liable | p0g0: yes, the brain and liver |
| 13:35.19 | enouf | p0g0: you have that backwards ;-) |
| 13:35.41 | p0g0 | enouf: I must be impaired. |
| 13:35.48 | liable | they wont need to embalm my liver... |
| 13:36.06 | enouf | p0g0: or seeing double :-O .. or about to spontaneously combust! O_o |
| 13:36.16 | enouf | i just like typing out that word |
| 13:36.20 | p0g0 | liable: I'm probably suitable ofr long term storage at Yucca Mountain. |
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| 13:36.30 | enouf | heh - no more room |
| 13:36.37 | enouf | really - not kidding |
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| 13:36.54 | p0g0 | enouf: yeah, but they're voting on tripling it's size...they'll make room. |
| 13:37.15 | liable | danger will robinson! |
| 13:37.19 | p0g0 | enouf: yeah, it's overbooked and never yet opened |
| 13:37.25 | liable | flails arms |
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| 13:37.34 | enouf | p0g0: i love it when my eggs have thin shells - especially as weaponry keeps getting more and more powerful ;-) |
| 13:37.52 | tarzeau | hey wait the imagemagick source pkg supports liquid-rescale, just not the debian binary in sid.... haha |
| 13:37.58 | tarzeau | grabs the source and builds it himself |
| 13:38.17 | p0g0 | liable: you'll love the fact that my state legislature is actively repealing it's laws limiting nuke facilities to those with storge solutions... |
| 13:38.18 | enouf | liable: make sure you spin them to make it look like your right elbow is swinging your left forearm! ;-) |
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| 13:38.52 | tarzeau | ok experimental has a newer version |
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| 13:39.13 | enouf | p0g0: all any State has to do, is .. if they could. .. but they can't .. is pass a law outlawing the transportation of it through their state .. ugh |
| 13:39.30 | enouf | tarzeau: cool |
| 13:39.50 | tarzeau | experimental has 6.4.8, let's see if it has it |
| 13:39.56 | p0g0 | enouf: can't, the Interstate Commerce Clause prohibits exactly that, except by zoning/local control... |
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| 13:40.19 | tarzeau | enouf: gaaaaa debian doesn't have it :( |
| 13:40.20 | enouf | tarzeau: heck, if you're using sid pkgs., might as well .. Oh listen - question about Games - do not most non-FOSS games use OSS, ior something like that? they require SDL to work? |
| 13:40.31 | enouf | tarzeau: maybe even FOSS games? |
| 13:40.37 | enouf | tarzeau: ... |
| 13:40.59 | enouf | p0g0: right - Federal Gov has "Eminant Domain" GAH! |
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| 13:41.55 | enouf | Hey = can anyone check this out - a possible bug in Less .. before i file a report |
| 13:42.09 | enouf | http://rafb.net/p/iNIgo730.html and http://rafb.net/p/ZLbSc872.html |
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| 13:42.14 | p0g0 | enouf: well, our solution has held for 30+ years, it's just a corrupt brain-damaged pack of legislators that have no concept of the risks seeking to feed at the federal trough (see GNEP). |
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| 13:42.55 | enouf | Anyone testing - ensure you either a) alias less='less -IR' as i have, or fire yup less using atleast -I |
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| 13:43.40 | enouf | p0g0: yes, s/legislator/congresscritter |
| 13:43.46 | enouf | or maggot :-) |
| 13:44.19 | tarzeau | enouf, p0g0: here's examples: http://liquidrescale.wikidot.com/en:examples |
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| 13:44.58 | enouf | tarzeau: oh .. that's n i c e ;-) |
| 13:45.12 | tarzeau | enouf: yes, indeed, it is :) |
| 13:45.21 | enouf | tarzeau: it's quantifying it, basically |
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| 13:45.54 | tarzeau | enouf: i'm building imagemagick from source to have --liquid-rescale... |
| 13:46.15 | tarzeau | enouf: writing a wishlist bug |
| 13:46.17 | enouf | tarzeau: i can't even imagine how that's done (though i know it's mathematics) ;-) |
| 13:46.36 | mns | Anyone know how to measure the throughput of a USB hard drive ? |
| 13:46.39 | tarzeau | enouf: yeah, say when you have hard contrast, don't take away pixels, but if the contrast is not high then take away |
| 13:46.45 | tarzeau | enouf: it's very easy when you see the video |
| 13:46.55 | tarzeau | mns: wmhdplop ? |
| 13:46.57 | enouf | i mean .. both images look correct - although jumping from the 16:9 to the 4:3 with my eye makes the 4:3 seem a bit odd |
| 13:47.10 | enouf | i see |
| 13:47.28 | enouf | tarzeau: all good and decent and intelligent things are easy .. really |
| 13:47.40 | mns | I started the transfer of data from my laptop onto the external hard drive around 2am ... its almost 7 hours later .. and it still going ..... |
| 13:47.59 | mns | I'm transferring about 60-70G |
| 13:48.07 | petemc | mns: can you use df / du to give you some idea of how far along it is? |
| 13:48.16 | enouf | tarzeau: haha @ "Spot the differences" reminds me of Old HIGHLIGHT mags .. hahaha |
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| 13:48.26 | enouf | i used to love those man .. |
| 13:48.38 | petemc | mns: a lot of the usb caddies are crap |
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| 13:48.52 | enouf | mns: using what to transfer |
| 13:48.53 | enouf | ? |
| 13:48.59 | mns | petemc: not at the moment its in single user mode .. |
| 13:49.13 | mns | enouf: using tar |
| 13:49.23 | tarzeau | enouf: have you seen enblend (from experimental, the one with enfuse support) for hugin? |
| 13:49.28 | enouf | mns: if dd, in another sh, send a kill -SIGUSR1 PID-of-dd <-- CAREFUL! |
| 13:49.33 | enouf | oh |
| 13:49.36 | mns | should I have used dd ? |
| 13:49.38 | enouf | nevermind |
| 13:49.40 | enouf | no |
| 13:49.52 | enouf | you use tar + gz though is good ;-) |
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| 13:50.38 | enouf | tarzeau: no - i haven't, i'm not really into all that - i just know some thngs about the tools - basically, you heard all i know ;-) |
| 13:50.53 | mns | no this is just simple tar .. no compression or anything ... tar cf - dir1 dir2 ... dirN | ( cd /mountpoint ; tar xBpf - ) |
| 13:51.04 | tarzeau | enouf: you just need this library installed when building imagemagick: liblqr-1-0-dev |
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| 13:51.29 | enouf | mns: that's fine .. relax .. you might've tried using it with nc or something, but nm that now |
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| 13:51.45 | petemc | nc to usb? |
| 13:52.02 | enouf | tarzeau: the enblend one? or the --liquid-thing ? |
| 13:52.04 | mns | nc ? |
| 13:52.11 | liable | netcat |
| 13:52.11 | enouf | petemc: i missed that part |
| 13:52.14 | enouf | sorry |
| 13:52.17 | tarzeau | enouf: the liquid-rescale |
| 13:52.22 | enouf | mns: not applicable |
| 13:52.22 | petemc | its generally quicker to skip usb altoger |
| 13:52.27 | enouf | indeed |
| 13:52.47 | enouf | mns: next time, pull the drive from enclosure, install internally ;-) |
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| 13:53.15 | mns | maybe it would have been faster if I had left the disk attached to my tower via FireWire and then NFS mounted it on my laptop and then did the transfer .. :) |
| 13:53.28 | enouf | ... |
| 13:53.38 | mns | its a laptop .. I can't pull it from enclosure and put it in internally :) |
| 13:53.42 | enouf | nfs mounted == network == nc is available :-P |
| 13:53.46 | jpinx | what's the aptitude command to tell me a package size without actually installing it? |
| 13:53.59 | enouf | jpinx: apt-cache show |
| 13:53.59 | mns | goes and relaxes ... |
| 13:54.02 | enouf | aptitude show |
| 13:54.24 | jpinx | enouf: thanks - I knew you'd know :) |
| 13:54.41 | enouf | jpinx: note, one is in KB, the other in B |
| 13:54.42 | jpinx | aptitude show amsn |
| 13:54.49 | enouf | Installed Size vs Size |
| 13:54.56 | jpinx | Ooops- sorry - wrong window |
| 13:54.56 | enouf | i forget which is which |
| 13:55.02 | enouf | use common sense |
| 13:55.35 | jpinx | yep - np |
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| 13:56.07 | enouf | jpinx: you can pipe the output to grep for seeing one the line you want |
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| 13:56.21 | jpinx | nice output from show :) |
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| 13:56.43 | jpinx | loads of other useful info on dependencies etc |
| 13:56.45 | enouf | yes - useful info |
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| 13:57.05 | jpinx | loves debian |
| 13:57.11 | jpinx | !hug debian |
| 13:57.12 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around debian |
| 13:57.14 | buzz__ | is there a "debian" way of debugging init.d scripts? I have one which works, but fails to start on bootup (there are proper rc links to it). i've set -x in the script, but how can i make it log on bootup ? |
| 13:57.37 | buzz__ | well it may start but isnt working |
| 13:58.00 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 13:58.00 | dpkg | i heard bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 13:58.13 | buzz__ | thanks |
| 13:58.38 | liable | if you have it set -x it should show in dmesg |
| 13:58.43 | enouf | right |
| 13:58.51 | liable | try running it manually too |
| 13:58.51 | enouf | buzz__: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 13:59.05 | enouf | buzz__: is there a 'quiet' option? remove it |
| 13:59.05 | Nicador | Does anybody have an ideea how to disable the black screen if no activity? |
| 13:59.09 | buzz__ | ok |
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| 13:59.14 | buzz__ | ill check |
| 13:59.32 | enouf | but bootlogd is useful many times too |
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| 13:59.41 | enouf | Nicador: what? |
| 13:59.41 | buzz__ | ive enabled bootlogd and am rebooting |
| 13:59.56 | enouf | Nicador: in X ? in Console? what? |
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| 14:00.05 | Nicador | Console. I don't have a GUI. |
| 14:00.06 | enouf | Nicador: using a DE? |
| 14:00.09 | enouf | ok |
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| 14:00.20 | enouf | see /etc/console*/config |
| 14:00.26 | enouf | see the DPMS options |
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| 14:00.39 | liable | !blankscreen |
| 14:00.51 | liable | meh, i knew that wouldnt be correct |
| 14:00.52 | Nicador | console-setup or console-tools ? |
| 14:00.57 | enouf | maybe install console-tools pkg or whatever it is |
| 14:01.11 | enouf | Nicador: ls /etc/console* |
| 14:01.22 | enouf | er |
| 14:01.26 | enouf | Nicador: ls /etc/console*/config |
| 14:01.40 | enouf | yeah console-tools |
| 14:02.08 | enouf | console-setup might have some utils to interface more easily Nicador |
| 14:02.31 | enouf | perhaps run dpkg-reconfigure console-{tools,setup} |
| 14:02.37 | Nicador | BLANK_DPMS=off POWERDOWN_TIME=0 BLANK_TIME=0 |
| 14:02.48 | enouf | !info configure-debian |
| 14:02.50 | dpkg | configure-debian: (central configuration program for packages using debconf), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 14:02.57 | hark | !blank |
| 14:02.58 | dpkg | a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh Also see <dpms> for X blanking |
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| 14:03.36 | enouf | yeah, but he wants to enable blanking? like .. forever? |
| 14:03.50 | Nicador | Disable blanking... |
| 14:03.56 | enouf | Nicador: are you doing some like private CC-TV or something? |
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| 14:04.20 | Nicador | No I just wanna see the login message when I enter the server's room :D |
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| 14:04.29 | enouf | haha |
| 14:04.36 | enouf | cause it's headless? |
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| 14:04.44 | enouf | !bring-your-head! |
| 14:04.52 | nkuttler | Nicador: could be a BIOS setting |
| 14:05.12 | Nicador | nkuttler edited that part :) It's ok now... but still it's blanking after 10 minutes... |
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| 14:05.39 | nkuttler | Nicador: probably a good thing anyway. you know, save the planet etc. |
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| 14:06.00 | Decepticon | if i sat down and looked at top, and all the programs it lists and their memory usage %'s, if i added all those percentages up, and if i took my statistic from the program "free" ((cache_used/mem_total) * 100), would they be the same? and is this statistic equal to the "Active:" number given by the command "cat /proc/meminfo" |
| 14:06.03 | liable | check bios? |
| 14:06.47 | Nicador | nkuttler: I'm saving the planet by paying my bills ;) |
| 14:06.55 | enouf | Decepticon: why? |
| 14:06.56 | jpinx | any recommendations for the smallest/lightest gui irc client for lenny? |
| 14:07.02 | Decepticon | enouf just wondering |
| 14:07.08 | Decepticon | enouf just wondering the relation between those statistics |
| 14:07.17 | nkuttler | jpinx: what's wrong with irssi? |
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| 14:07.38 | liable | so 90's! |
| 14:07.43 | hark | bloated |
| 14:07.55 | nkuttler | just run it in kterm or something.. |
| 14:08.10 | nkuttler | or konsole or how do they call it? |
| 14:08.12 | enouf | Decepticon: i mean, is .. well .. for me to figure it out, would be .. painful - now, that said, how about you read; http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
| 14:08.21 | Nicador | It seamns setterm -blank 0 works only for the user that is already logged in... if I run it on boottime .. will it work even if no user is logged in ? |
| 14:08.34 | jpinx | nkuttler: I don't have kde |
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| 14:08.39 | lhgergo | thanks for help |
| 14:08.40 | lhgergo | bye |
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| 14:09.10 | enouf | Decepticon: otherwise, read ALL the relevant kernel lkml archives about /proc and such and then, follow what's going on as of late ;-) |
| 14:09.24 | enouf | Decepticon: to keep up with the chnges ;-) |
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| 14:10.47 | enouf | jpinx: i'm going to guess - xchat, but i never used it, i use -> /ctcp enouf version |
| 14:10.50 | enouf | :-P |
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| 14:11.32 | jpinx | heh |
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| 14:12.15 | enouf | Decepticon: relevant info though, IIUC what your issue is; see dmesg field concerning mem allocation, and see output of /proc/iomem |
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| 14:13.23 | enouf | Decepticon: ~$ dmesg | grep -A 10 -i 'virtual kernel' |
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| 14:14.18 | enouf | Decepticon: ~$ cat /proc/iomem | grep 'System RAM' |
| 14:14.27 | enouf | now, do some math ;-) |
| 14:14.32 | allikat | Hi, looking for a howto page on putting an installer on a live debian disk to install the live filesystem? |
| 14:14.34 | enouf | !math |
| 14:14.34 | dpkg | It's maths, not math, damn it. You don't say "I like mathematic", it's "I like mathematics". |
| 14:14.53 | enouf | allikat: see #debian-live |
| 14:15.01 | allikat | thanks enouf |
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| 14:15.06 | enouf | jpinx: ;-) |
| 14:15.18 | enouf | allikat: /msg dpkg cdd (fwiw) |
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| 14:16.08 | jpinx | enouf: naim seems to do IRC and aim as well - and it's a little smaller.... |
| 14:16.32 | enouf | hrm .. |
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| 14:16.50 | valdyn | Decepticon: you cant see in top how exactly shared pages are shared, so you cant get complete memory usage from that either |
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| 14:20.16 | slak | hi |
| 14:20.16 | amigrave | how can I know the version of my currently insalled xrandr ? |
| 14:20.26 | slak | can someone help me? i dropped mysql db by accident, the system db |
| 14:20.32 | slak | now i cant do anything with my mysql server |
| 14:20.43 | asg | restore from backups |
| 14:20.48 | slak | if i have an identical machine running mysql also, can i use that backup |
| 14:20.49 | nkuttler | amigrave: man xrandr comes to mind |
| 14:20.53 | slak | and how do i restore mysql db |
| 14:21.06 | slak | it wont let me just mysql mysql < mysqlbkp.sql |
| 14:21.09 | enouf | amigrave: dpkg -l <pkgname> |
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| 14:23.33 | buzz__ | hmm this init.d thing is driving me mad. according to the logs it runs but fails. but the command it runs is fine from shell, but the application doesnt seem to do very good logging itself so its a hard one to debug |
| 14:23.52 | liable | which app is it? |
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| 14:24.05 | buzz__ | bttrack (comes with bittorrent or bittornado) |
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| 14:24.35 | liable | wtf does that have an init script? |
| 14:24.57 | buzz__ | there is an init.d script in /usr/share/doc/bittorrent/examples |
| 14:25.06 | liable | does it have a file in /etc/default you need to edit? |
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| 14:25.12 | buzz__ | you might want to run the tracker on start |
| 14:25.13 | themill | I have 1300 files in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial (looks like lots of pdiff files). Is there an apt-way of cleaning them up? Is there any reason not to treat them to a dose of rm? |
| 14:25.22 | jpinx | is gdm included in the base install fro lenny? |
| 14:25.28 | buzz__ | liable, yeh and thats fine and the init.d works fine run manually |
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| 14:25.45 | buzz__ | but on bootup, bttrack runs, but "fails", but the reason is unknown |
| 14:26.07 | liable | buzz__: did you set it to run before networking is up? what if you make the start number later? |
| 14:26.26 | liable | themill: clean doesnt remove them? |
| 14:26.41 | liable | themill: removing them shouldnt hurt anyway |
| 14:26.44 | themill | liable: no, that only touches stuff in /var/cache/ |
| 14:26.45 | buzz__ | its its running on rc2.d/S20 |
| 14:27.07 | buzz__ | aah wait |
| 14:27.08 | buzz__ | ahaa |
| 14:27.14 | buzz__ | you made a good point |
| 14:27.19 | liable | s20 is quite early |
| 14:27.30 | buzz__ | i got a hd mount script as S20 which it needs |
| 14:27.31 | buzz__ | oops |
| 14:27.41 | enouf | themill: |
| 14:27.42 | enouf | ~$ ll /var/lib/apt/lists/partial | wc -l |
| 14:27.43 | enouf | 3 |
| 14:27.46 | enouf | :-( |
| 14:27.49 | themill | mmm... plus a file ".delete-me-later" |
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| 14:28.04 | buzz__ | liable, whats a good "late" value for something liek this 50 ? |
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| 14:28.06 | buzz__ | proftpd is on 50 |
| 14:28.11 | enouf | themill: ll == ls -al |
| 14:28.17 | buzz__ | webserver is on 20 |
| 14:28.26 | archutfpr | Ive installed openoffice3.0 but it doenst appears in alacarte menu. How can I fix it ? |
| 14:28.37 | liable | buzz__: the later the better, if its just some odd service, run it 99 |
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| 14:28.51 | buzz__ | liable, ok thanks. im sure this will be the fix ;-) |
| 14:28.59 | mns | archutfpr: alacarte ? |
| 14:29.04 | buzz__ | i had forgotten about my usb disk mount :) |
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| 14:29.10 | archutfpr | mns, gnome menu |
| 14:29.27 | mns | is there an entry for it in /usr/share/menu ? |
| 14:29.43 | archutfpr | mns, apt-get installed openoffice3 on /opt directory and doenst put in a entry on gnome menu |
| 14:30.04 | archutfpr | mns, there is not |
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| 14:30.24 | amigrave | nkuttler: thanks it was in the man page |
| 14:30.24 | alcohol | May I suggest adding it? |
| 14:30.25 | themill | hmm... well that freed up 150 MB on / for me :) |
| 14:31.04 | enouf | themill: heh - have you stopped your /etc/cron.X/ scripts from running :-P |
| 14:31.04 | amigrave | enouf: xrandr is contained in another package so dpkg -l was useless. the version was in the man page |
| 14:31.10 | mns | archutfpr: maybe its in /opt/share/menu ? |
| 14:31.11 | amigrave | is it possible to use an xrandr using protocol 1.1 under lenny ? |
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| 14:31.20 | valdyn | archutfpr: if apt-get installed oo.org at /opt then this was not a debian package |
| 14:31.29 | enouf | amigrave: install dlocate ; or use dpkg -S `which xrandr` |
| 14:31.42 | mns | if its not there, I'm not sure how to get GNOME to use a user specified menu entry .. |
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| 14:31.48 | themill | the package is also not called openoffice3 in debian. |
| 14:32.02 | themill | enouf: no... I don't know what sort of failure those files are from and by what process they should be cleansed. |
| 14:32.07 | liable | themill: sheesh, how the hell did you manage to get so many of those? |
| 14:32.12 | enouf | x11-xserver-utils: /usr/bin/xrandr |
| 14:32.19 | archutfpr | mns, Ive found a *.desktop files on /opt/broffice3.0/share/xdg and cp to /usr/share/menu ... how can I update menu now ? thanks |
| 14:32.20 | enouf | dlocate ftw |
| 14:32.29 | themill | liable: nfc. There were also a pile of *.FAILED files in /var/lib/apt/lists. |
| 14:32.43 | liable | themill: dodgy inet on that box? |
| 14:33.17 | enouf | themill: sorry? failures? the .delete-me-later? |
| 14:33.17 | themill | liable: perhaps had a problem at some stage. No idea. The file dates were all about a week ago but I don't remember having problems. (It's my laptop) |
| 14:33.30 | valdyn | archutfpr: why the fuck are you doing this? |
| 14:33.41 | valdyn | archutfpr: does a .desktop file like like a menu file? |
| 14:33.43 | amigrave | enouf: didn't knew dlocate. That's cool thanks |
| 14:34.07 | archutfpr | valdyn, yes. |
| 14:34.15 | valdyn | archutfpr: it does not |
| 14:34.17 | themill | enouf: yeah, piles of pdiffs lying around in .../partial with a .delete-me-later file and *.FAILED in /var/lib/apt/lists all sounds like something fell over and nothing came around to clean up after itself. |
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| 14:34.40 | archutfpr | valdyn, Ive found /opt/broffice3.0/share/xdg/ some files with .desktop extension. |
| 14:34.54 | dureyes | anyone knows what that error message is on when booting on Debian 5.0 about "Failed to allocate mem resource" |
| 14:34.56 | valdyn | archutfpr: you already said as much |
| 14:35.07 | archutfpr | valdyn, how can I add this entries to gnome menu ? |
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| 14:35.36 | themill | archutfpr: why not use the debian packages? |
| 14:35.45 | valdyn | archutfpr: ~/.local/share |
| 14:35.55 | valdyn | archutfpr: certainly not by putting it to the debian menu files |
| 14:36.10 | mns | archutfpr: I don't think that's going to work. The *.desktop files should probably be kept where they are. You'll want to modify your /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu file ... and the directory placed as a LegacyDir near the top. |
| 14:36.40 | mns | Or do what valdyn suggested. |
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| 14:36.43 | archutfpr | themill, debian uses a jurassic openoffice |
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| 14:37.01 | mns | OOo2 is Jurassic ? |
| 14:37.10 | Quazar | Is there a tutorial on how to install Tor on etch ? |
| 14:37.21 | valdyn | archutfpr: i doubt you need oo3 , but you certainly seem to think so, and oo3 is available from debian too |
| 14:37.36 | archutfpr | valdyn, really?? then i prefer |
| 14:37.43 | valdyn | Quazar: aptitude install tor doesnt work? |
| 14:37.55 | themill | judd versions openoffice.org |
| 14:37.55 | judd | themill: openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 squeeze: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 sid: 1:3.0.1-2 |
| 14:38.03 | Quazar | Konfusion:~# apt-get install tor privoxy |
| 14:38.04 | Quazar | Reading package lists... Done |
| 14:38.04 | Quazar | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 14:38.04 | Quazar | Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 14:38.05 | archutfpr | valdyn, Im in my college and I try apt-cache search openoffice, and shows me up a lot of openoffice and I installed one of them |
| 14:38.10 | Quazar | Sorry |
| 14:38.11 | Quazar | lol |
| 14:38.16 | themill | archutfpr: ^^ read judd's last line |
| 14:38.27 | Quazar | valdyn, did you get that |
| 14:38.28 | Quazar | ? |
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| 14:38.35 | valdyn | archutfpr: i cant fix your college providing bad packages |
| 14:38.38 | mns | OOo3 is part of sid. |
| 14:38.48 | themill | mns: no it's not. not yet |
| 14:38.49 | hark | Quazar: which version of debian? |
| 14:38.55 | valdyn | Quazar: privoxy isnt tor? |
| 14:38.59 | themill | mns: oh sorry... it's just gone in ;) |
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| 14:39.03 | archutfpr | valdyn, you dont, but I can with some help |
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| 14:39.18 | valdyn | archutfpr: its in sid |
| 14:39.24 | mns | hey I was basing in what you told judd to say :) |
| 14:39.28 | valdyn | !quick sid sarge mix |
| 14:39.33 | valdyn | !quick sid/sarge mix |
| 14:39.34 | dpkg | it has been said that quick sid/sarge mix is dont mix sarge and sid under any circumstances. if you need newer pacakges than those found in sarge, first upgrade to etch (ask me about <sarge->etch>) then ask me about <backports> |
| 14:39.39 | themill | valdyn: "sid sarge"?? |
| 14:39.46 | Quazar | Im using etch hark |
| 14:39.48 | valdyn | !quick sid/etch mix |
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| 14:39.56 | valdyn | gah |
| 14:40.04 | mns | archutfpr: what version of Debian are you using ? |
| 14:40.06 | Quazar | valdyn, i did what the page i was reading told me |
| 14:40.07 | valdyn | themill: i know, but that factoid wouldbe useful |
| 14:40.15 | themill | valdyn: I'm hoping you mean lenny/sid and that's only likely to work for the next few weeks and only for some packages. |
| 14:40.27 | enouf | son of a ... |
| 14:40.27 | archutfpr | mns, debian 5.0 |
| 14:40.29 | enouf | ~$ dpkg -l $(which xrandr | dlc /usr/bin/xrandr | awk '{ print$1 }') |
| 14:40.29 | valdyn | themill: i mean squeeze/sid |
| 14:40.34 | hark | Quazar: it's in backports |
| 14:40.37 | enouf | No packages found matching x11-xserver-utils:. |
| 14:40.37 | valdyn | themill: but surely no one made that factoid yet |
| 14:40.42 | enouf | how silly :-P |
| 14:40.53 | Quazar | hark, can you give me a page on where i can read this? |
| 14:40.57 | mns | archutfpr: just out of curiosity, what new feature of OOo3 do you require ? |
| 14:41.02 | archutfpr | mns, Im removing all packages non-debian |
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| 14:41.26 | enouf | themill: weird, i just wonder if i have some hidden .delete-me-later file that |
| 14:41.35 | enouf | 's working :-) |
| 14:41.47 | valdyn | archutfpr: which debian release are you actually running btw? |
| 14:42.02 | archutfpr | valdyn, debian 5.0 (with cat /etc/debian_version) |
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| 14:42.17 | valdyn | archutfpr: sids openoffice.org should work fine for you then |
| 14:42.25 | Lagbolt | enouf, i fixed that raid . . . dont know if you remember or are interested. just thought i would mention it |
| 14:42.31 | enouf | LINUX is being talked about on C-SPAN 1 live .. now .. FOSS in general - wikipedia and such |
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| 14:42.35 | hark | Quazar: /msg dpkg etch-backports |
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| 14:42.40 | valdyn | archutfpr: but dont upgrade your whole system to sid. |
| 14:42.43 | loop_ | hi people |
| 14:42.45 | archutfpr | valdyn, ok I'll install it |
| 14:43.00 | buzz__ | liable, ok. the tracker is working now its running later. thanks again |
| 14:43.05 | archutfpr | valdyn, I'm removing packages non-debian of openoffice |
| 14:43.07 | valdyn | archutfpr: and particularily dont upgrade your libc6 |
| 14:43.11 | liable | buzz__: yw |
| 14:43.15 | enouf | Author of Viral Spiral (Dacid Bollier) is on |
| 14:43.19 | mns | valdyn: how does he go about installing only sid version of OOo3 and nothing else ? |
| 14:43.20 | enouf | er David |
| 14:43.32 | enouf | Lagbolt: yes, im very interested |
| 14:43.32 | valdyn | mns: im lazy |
| 14:43.38 | archutfpr | valdyn, ok |
| 14:43.40 | Quazar | no shit =P |
| 14:43.42 | valdyn | mns: i was trying to get him to use a factoid, that no longer exists |
| 14:43.57 | valdyn | archutfpr: you can use http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 14:44.01 | jelly | judd: versions base-files |
| 14:44.02 | judd | jelly: base-files -- etch: 4 etch-backports: 4.0.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 5 sid: 5 squeeze: 5 |
| 14:44.05 | enouf | Lagbolt: and i'd like to know again , which kernels, and debian release and such ;-) |
| 14:44.14 | valdyn | archutfpr: mind, dependencies might not be that funny to grab, but they are listed |
| 14:44.17 | jelly | judd: where's my squeeze/sid, bitch! |
| 14:44.17 | judd | jelly: Error: "where's" is not a valid command. |
| 14:44.25 | archutfpr | valdyn, thanks for help |
| 14:44.49 | archutfpr | valdyn, it is possible to use a debian mirror without comment a local mirror added by admin ? |
| 14:44.52 | kolpur | Hi... Evolution Mail Client new version is 2.24 (stable) but why it's not still available in debian repos ? |
| 14:45.00 | Lagbolt | enouf, well not sure what caused it. happened going from etch to lenny, minimal packages. base install. this machine was just holding data in a lab |
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| 14:45.02 | archutfpr | valdyn, is it possible to use a debian mirror without comment a local mirror added by admin ? |
| 14:45.08 | mns | I would take a cautious approach and wait until it moves from SID to SQUEEZE ... then update to squeeze. |
| 14:45.15 | valdyn | archutfpr: apt-get install openoffice.org=<version> |
| 14:45.19 | enouf | jelly: want to seee SHINY? |
| 14:45.19 | valdyn | archutfpr: that might do that |
| 14:45.27 | kolpur | not only evolution but many of the packages latest versions are not present in debian repos |
| 14:45.33 | jelly | archutfpr: yes. The first one in sources.list will get used, if there are multiple places to get the same package and version. |
| 14:45.44 | valdyn | archutfpr: and sids version is 1:3.0.1-1 |
| 14:45.48 | enouf | jelly: do judd kconfig MAGIC |
| 14:45.51 | funkyHat | archutfpr: yes, if you add your mirrors after the local mirror, the remmote one will be used if the local ones aren't accessable |
| 14:45.52 | liable | dont expect much help getting it sorted though from that list |
| 14:45.59 | liable | echan |
| 14:46.05 | enouf | jelly: want to seee even more SHINY? |
| 14:46.07 | kolpur | what's the reason for such no updates of packages for debian ? |
| 14:46.15 | jelly | enouf: ooh |
| 14:46.22 | themill | dpkg: tell kolpur about stable |
| 14:46.24 | valdyn | kolpur: those things are all present |
| 14:46.28 | liable | kolpur: because you are running stable? |
| 14:46.32 | valdyn | kolpur: but they are not present in debian/stable |
| 14:46.34 | Lagbolt | enouf, used solution found here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=410136 |
| 14:46.40 | enouf | jelly: do judd pciid 8086:7190 |
| 14:46.42 | archutfpr | valdyn, im install with apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-pt-br . is a debian package? |
| 14:46.49 | Lagbolt | mdadm was smart enough to figure it out with a recreate |
| 14:46.59 | loop_ | I've a problem. I have a asus laptop with debian installed, It's work fine but now the sound hotkeys not work properly. Anyone can help me? what's the name of the packets for default hotkeys in debian lenny? |
| 14:47.00 | valdyn | archutfpr: thats a localisation package |
| 14:47.02 | jelly | enouf: I expected that to follow, so less fun |
| 14:47.08 | enouf | haha |
| 14:47.18 | enouf | !spank jelly |
| 14:47.18 | dpkg | bends jelly over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 14:47.28 | valdyn | archutfpr: dont do this if you are as clueless as you seem, just wait for it to enter squeeeze, you dont need oo3 |
| 14:47.28 | kolpur | but in the site .... ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/pool/main ... all the packages are the old ones |
| 14:47.33 | archutfpr | valdyn, ok Im install the full version |
| 14:47.47 | Lagbolt | enouf, wierd thing, it seemed that the change during the upgrade slightly altered the /dev/disk/by-id. . . not sure if that was the cause but it was def changed |
| 14:47.50 | enouf | jelly: ok .. check this |
| 14:47.50 | themill | enouf, jelly: kconfig and pciid also accept a --release argument. ask judd about help pciid and help kconfig |
| 14:48.02 | kolpur | i even tried testing thing in sources.list and tried to update the packages but only the old versions were downloading |
| 14:48.12 | archutfpr | valdyn, I just type apt-get install openoffice.org . is it fine ? |
| 14:48.20 | enouf | jelly: do judd kconfig --trunk EXT4 |
| 14:48.27 | themill | enouf: --release trunk |
| 14:48.30 | valdyn | archutfpr: probably |
| 14:48.33 | enouf | grah! |
| 14:48.34 | kolpur | is openoffice 3.0 present in debian repo ? |
| 14:48.36 | archutfpr | valdyn, now it installed openoffice 2.4 . thanks |
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| 14:48.47 | themill | enouf, jelly: with a special "--release trunk" that uses the kernel team's latest efforts |
| 14:48.50 | mns | archutfpr: no .. you need to do openofice.org=1:3.0.1-1 |
| 14:48.51 | enouf | Lagbolt: i am and will follow you - thank you - sincerely |
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| 14:49.04 | valdyn | mns: but he does not need the latest |
| 14:49.19 | mns | oh .. I thought he wanted ooo3 .. |
| 14:49.19 | archutfpr | mns, humm.. |
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| 14:49.35 | archutfpr | mns, 2.4 is very fine for now |
| 14:49.49 | valdyn | as a casual oo.org users i dont even notice a difference |
| 14:49.54 | jelly | judd: kconfig help |
| 14:49.54 | judd | jelly: Searching for 'help' in lenny kernel config gives no results. |
| 14:49.58 | archutfpr | mns, I just need to write a cientific begin college article. |
| 14:50.00 | mns | archutfpr: then you're all set just doing apt-get install openoffice :) |
| 14:50.00 | jelly | judd: hepl kconfig |
| 14:50.01 | judd | jelly: Error: "hepl" is not a valid command. |
| 14:50.13 | themill | !typosmite jelly |
| 14:50.13 | dpkg | makes jelly raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 14:50.14 | archutfpr | mns, thanks for your help |
| 14:50.39 | mns | archutfpr: you could even use Abiword instead of OO.o2 .. :) |
| 14:50.43 | jelly | adnoem order? |
| 14:51.04 | archutfpr | valdyn, dont you like openoffice? |
| 14:51.10 | valdyn | archutfpr: i thought scientists use tex anyway |
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| 14:51.20 | enouf | Lagbolt: hrm .. i can only think that perhaps the recent debian installs (again perhaps barrring 'expert' install mode) that grub installs using root=UUID=3215411-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx instead of /dev/name .. but mdadm uuids are NOT /dev/disk/by-uuids |
| 14:51.31 | enouf | er /by-uuid |
| 14:51.34 | valdyn | archutfpr: Im indifferent, i dont use it much |
| 14:51.36 | mns | valdyn: thats what I would have used. But I'm guessing he's a bit new to knwo about it. |
| 14:52.00 | valdyn | archutfpr: but I used tex for serious publications |
| 14:52.04 | enouf | Lagbolt: i have not yet looked at the URL you posted - will do now |
| 14:52.07 | archutfpr | valdyn, Yes. Latex is much better, but for a scratch Im using openoffice |
| 14:52.17 | valdyn | archutfpr: agreed |
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| 14:52.21 | mns | I prefer to use Emacs+LaTeX and if forced to, use OOo to work with MS DOC files at office. |
| 14:52.27 | archutfpr | valdyn, when I finish it, Ill transpose to latex |
| 14:52.55 | mns | archutfpr: OOo has an export to LaTeX option :) |
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| 14:53.11 | valdyn | thats probably going to be hard to read and modify? |
| 14:53.33 | kolpur | is openoffice 3.0 present in debian repo ? |
| 14:53.48 | valdyn | kolpur: its in a debian repo |
| 14:53.52 | archutfpr | mns, using export to latex is a good choice or my doc will be with a very strange code ? |
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| 14:54.04 | mns | valdyn: I don't know. I'm sure since its autogenarated its not going to be the best ... |
| 14:54.05 | valdyn | kolpur: no one here is going to support you using it though, because its in unstable |
| 14:54.25 | Lagbolt | enouf, it wasnt the / filesystem on the raid. was just a mounted raid5 for data storage. i always assumed when you make the array mdadm marks the drives so it shouldnt matter the uuid but dunno. |
| 14:54.38 | valdyn | Lagbolt: thats true |
| 14:54.39 | enouf | Lagbolt: 3 pages? please ... |
| 14:54.47 | enouf | send me to the correct post |
| 14:54.54 | Lagbolt | the other array loaded up with no trouble. so not sure. 3 pages? |
| 14:55.03 | enouf | the url |
| 14:55.05 | enouf | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=410136 |
| 14:55.38 | archutfpr | Thanks for all. Now I'll lunch. |
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| 14:55.51 | valdyn | Lagbolt: the UUID IS the mdadm mark |
| 14:55.53 | enouf | Lagbolt: valdyn what? |
| 14:56.01 | enouf | no |
| 14:56.14 | enouf | there are 2 DISTINCT uuids! |
| 14:56.24 | enouf | one is for mdadm, and one for blkid |
| 14:56.32 | enouf | they don't even LOOK the same |
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| 14:56.49 | enouf | the mdadm one is stored ONDISK in the superblock |
| 14:57.13 | kolpur | can someone tell me how to use svn .. |
| 14:57.16 | kolpur | SVN |
| 14:57.21 | enouf | i told him this earlier .. i think .. unless it was someone else |
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| 14:58.11 | enouf | valdyn: i apologize if i misunderstand what you were saying |
| 14:58.16 | Lagbolt | i am not sure what you mean by 3 pages. i followed basically what was done in the second post. . . by djamu. i can make a little pastebin of what i did command by command if you like detailing the problem i had |
| 14:58.21 | enouf | valdyn: i must admit, i'm pretty worn out |
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| 14:58.28 | valdyn | enouf: nah, i thoguht he referred to the raid uuid |
| 14:58.42 | valdyn | enouf: which is same for all raid disks |
| 14:58.47 | hark | kolpur: something specific? |
| 14:58.51 | enouf | Lagbolt: the 2nd post is http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2526794&postcount=2 |
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| 14:59.07 | Lagbolt | ah gotcha |
| 14:59.15 | Lagbolt | sorry :) |
| 14:59.20 | enouf | Lagbolt: the thread is 3 pages long |
| 14:59.29 | enouf | ok |
| 14:59.33 | enouf | no worries |
| 14:59.57 | hark | 3 pages long!! |
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| 15:00.12 | liable | omfg?! |
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| 15:00.27 | enouf | hark: most of which is filled with DIS-information ;-) |
| 15:00.41 | enouf | why bother |
| 15:00.49 | enouf | ask Albert ;-) |
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| 15:02.38 | valdyn | seriously that article misses the point |
| 15:02.57 | valdyn | where "wrong" raids get synced if people forget erasing superblocks |
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| 15:03.51 | enouf | wait .. |
| 15:04.03 | enouf | valdyn: haha ... i just was reading.. lmao |
| 15:04.23 | loop_ | anyone can help ,me? |
| 15:04.34 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 15:04.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 15:04.37 | enouf | valdyn: "just keep in mind that both the physical device (as part of the array ) & the MD device ( the complete array with filesystem ) have superblocks...." <-- should say - the File System , not Physical Device ;-) |
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| 15:05.06 | loop_ | I've a problem. I have a asus laptop with debian installed, It's work fine but now the sound hotkeys not work properly. what's the name of the packets for default hotkeys in debian lenny? how I resolve this problem? |
| 15:05.23 | enouf | and no, no physical device has a superblock, the mdadm does, and the FS that spans the array does |
| 15:05.27 | enouf | amiright? |
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| 15:05.42 | valdyn | enouf: raid members have superblocks |
| 15:05.59 | valdyn | enouf: and what a superblock is depends on the viewer |
| 15:06.03 | themill | dpkg: tell loop_ about multimedia keys |
| 15:06.10 | valdyn | enouf: where viewer can be lvm or mdadm or a filesystem |
| 15:06.27 | enouf | valdyn: wait - you mean each HDD that is part of the array, no matter whether a "slice" of the HDD (a partition) has it's own superblock? |
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| 15:06.38 | valdyn | enouf: yes |
| 15:06.41 | enouf | ok |
| 15:06.45 | valdyn | enouf: --zero-superblock works on raid members |
| 15:06.45 | enouf | i see |
| 15:07.07 | loop_ | themill: sorry but I don't understand |
| 15:07.11 | valdyn | enouf: and if you forget using that, you will get wrong raids assembled |
| 15:07.25 | EmleyMoor | zwho |
| 15:07.38 | enouf | valdyn: that must be a means of the array and underlying device-mapper, lvm, mdadm can tell whether or not WHICH DISKS (and/or their partitions) are actually part of the "array" |
| 15:07.40 | EmleyMoor | Oops |
| 15:07.47 | enouf | valdyn: that must be that 1MB needed |
| 15:07.53 | valdyn | enouf: yes |
| 15:07.59 | enouf | \o/ |
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| 15:08.05 | valdyn | enouf: at end of disk |
| 15:08.13 | valdyn | enouf: or at end of block device even |
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| 15:08.42 | khaleel5000 | hello, which lenny dvd has kde 3.5 in it ? |
| 15:08.45 | enouf | valdyn: i would think that too - wasn't sure though .. oh? .. partition == block device there? |
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| 15:09.03 | SexyKen | My server has been doing this a couple of times a day. Can anyone assist with any ideas of why? Or how to fix it? http://simplyprecise.com/lockedup.png |
| 15:09.05 | valdyn | enouf: yea |
| 15:09.15 | enouf | albeit, LVM LV, or LBA mapped DOS partition .. i see , ok |
| 15:09.41 | valdyn | enouf: and all new systems go out of their way trying not to interfer, so they waste some space |
| 15:09.49 | enouf | Lagbolt: thanks for bringing this all back up - i learned something .. i think :-P |
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| 15:10.04 | enouf | valdyn: sure. .. i get it - thanks |
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| 15:10.42 | enouf | khaleel5000: they all do - do you mean on CD1? |
| 15:10.47 | enouf | cd1 variants |
| 15:10.50 | enouf | cd1 variant |
| 15:10.52 | enouf | !cd1 variant |
| 15:10.55 | enouf | !cd1 variants |
| 15:11.00 | enouf | omg |
| 15:11.03 | valdyn | khaleel5000: the first dvd |
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| 15:11.08 | enouf | !listkeys cd1 |
| 15:11.10 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'cd1' by key (2): cd1 ;; various cd1. |
| 15:11.27 | enouf | !various cd1 |
| 15:11.27 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - There's one for GNOME, another for KDE, and one for XFCE/LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE/LXDE CD-1 of Lenny, you'd grab-> debian-500-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso from the mirrors(if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <installer firmware><release notes><ig> |
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| 15:11.48 | valdyn | khaleel5000: or actually i dont know if lenny even has kde 3.5, anyway the first dvd has kde |
| 15:11.49 | enouf | !factinfo various cd1 |
| 15:11.49 | dpkg | various cd1 -- created by enouf <n=stompthe@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net> 1d 7h 26m 2s ago; last modified 1d 7h 23m 3s ago by enouf!n=stompthe@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net; it has been requested 5 times, last by enouf, 22s ago. |
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| 15:11.54 | enouf | \o/ |
| 15:12.00 | SexyKen | Nice ass. |
| 15:12.04 | valdyn | !cd contents |
| 15:12.04 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 15:12.08 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: thanks |
| 15:12.15 | enouf | valdyn: lenny is 3.5.x |
| 15:12.18 | khaleel5000 | enouf: i meant DVD, thanks |
| 15:12.20 | enouf | khaleel5000: ^^^^^ |
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| 15:12.25 | khaleel5000 | yeah i meant 3.5.x |
| 15:12.45 | enouf | khaleel5000: DVD1 might not have full KDE env .. not sure |
| 15:12.50 | enouf | !popcon |
| 15:12.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 15:12.52 | fde | Hello, how long is it likely to take for Sid to start being fun again? aka, when will it start being populated with new software like kde 4.2? |
| 15:12.56 | enouf | !cd contents |
| 15:12.56 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 15:13.21 | enouf | judd: versions kde |
| 15:13.22 | judd | enouf: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48 squeeze: 5:48 |
| 15:13.26 | nijan | hello, sorry for the question but does anybody know if its possible to copy from link2 -g |
| 15:13.27 | alcohol | fde: lol, never? |
| 15:13.28 | enouf | er |
| 15:13.28 | valdyn | khaleel5000: im pretty sure that kde is popular enough to be on first dvd, but you can probably verify it |
| 15:13.33 | nijan | links |
| 15:13.38 | enouf | WTF is that? |
| 15:13.39 | fde | alcohol: why never? |
| 15:13.45 | enouf | version-wise? |
| 15:14.02 | fde | judd: versions kdebase |
| 15:14.02 | judd | fde: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 squeeze: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 |
| 15:14.03 | stew | fde: kde 4.2 should be going into sid RSN |
| 15:14.04 | enouf | judd: versions kde-desktop |
| 15:14.05 | judd | enouf: kde-desktop -- |
| 15:14.11 | valdyn | fde: pretty soon |
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| 15:14.27 | stew | judd: versions kdelibs5 |
| 15:14.28 | judd | stew: kdelibs5 -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-3 squeeze: 4:4.1.0-3 sid: 4:4.1.0-3+b1 experimental: 4:4.2.0-3 |
| 15:14.31 | enouf | !install kde |
| 15:14.31 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
| 15:14.52 | fde | enouf: that is the version of the kde meta package... it simply goes up by one every time they change something |
| 15:14.55 | enouf | stew: it's 4.x in Lenny? crap |
| 15:15.04 | enouf | khaleel5000: i was wrong |
| 15:15.30 | enouf | fde: i know what a metapackage is - thanks |
| 15:15.40 | fde | stew: ahh, thanks... yeah, I don't really want to mess with experimental, and do not particularly like 4.1.0, so I guess I'm stuck with arch/kubuntu for a bit longer. |
| 15:15.43 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-686 |
| 15:15.43 | judd | enouf: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.6.26+17 sid: 2.6.26+17 squeeze: 2.6.26+17 |
| 15:15.53 | enouf | ho's that for a metapackage ;-) |
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| 15:16.09 | fde | enouf: I wasn't the one that listed what it was... lol... you just asked about the versioning of 'kde' |
| 15:16.24 | nijan | enouf: did you get links2 able to copy a piece of text? |
| 15:16.26 | stew | enouf: i don't know what exactly that means though, its NOT a 4.1 DE, but some of the libs are there |
| 15:16.33 | enouf | nijan: what? |
| 15:16.46 | enouf | stew: that is s p o o k y |
| 15:16.49 | fde | Also, what does "squeeze" mean in this case? awaiting upload to mirrors? |
| 15:17.00 | enouf | !squeeze |
| 15:17.00 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 15:17.02 | valdyn | fde: squeeze is testing now |
| 15:17.07 | stoned | Kjikaqawej! |
| 15:17.12 | stoned | Good morning people |
| 15:17.23 | enouf | nijan: install gpm if you want to use a mouse |
| 15:17.31 | nijan | eheh, I can't copy using links2, I highlight a text but doesnt go in the buffer |
| 15:17.36 | nijan | enouf: have it |
| 15:17.40 | enouf | nijan: in console with links2 g |
| 15:17.40 | fde | stew: ahh... yeah, they drug some things in for compat with qt4 apps that need it... last time I was using Debian they started doing that. |
| 15:17.46 | enouf | nijan: in console with links2 -g |
| 15:17.55 | enouf | nijan: so configure it right |
| 15:18.05 | nijan | links2 or what? |
| 15:18.15 | fde | valdyn: ahh... think I knew that |
| 15:18.17 | enouf | nijan: you have no buffer then |
| 15:18.27 | enouf | what? |
| 15:18.37 | nijan | actually it doesnt work only with links2 |
| 15:18.39 | stew | fde: watch http://planet.debian.org ; I'd expect a post from "Ana" or "Sune" in the next week about 4.2 in unstable |
| 15:18.51 | nijan | I thought there was something else to do |
| 15:18.53 | enouf | nijan: .msg dpkg gpm |
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| 15:18.58 | fde | stew: will do, thanks a lot! |
| 15:19.00 | enouf | nijan: /msg dpkg gpm |
| 15:19.23 | stew | fde: probably here: http://ekaia.org/blog/ |
| 15:19.34 | enouf | nijan: directfb + gpm might have some issues - don't remember |
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| 15:20.36 | nijan | I see, I asked you because you told that you were using it... |
| 15:20.44 | enouf | nijan: and i am |
| 15:20.48 | nijan | does it work for you? |
| 15:21.04 | enouf | nijan: in X mostly .. but ,, OFCOURSE i've used it in console |
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| 15:21.35 | enouf | nijan: why else would i refer you to the README.Debian ? |
| 15:21.43 | enouf | are you nuts? |
| 15:21.53 | nijan | I have nuts |
| 15:22.00 | enouf | mine are bigger |
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| 15:22.17 | nijan | You better watch out then. |
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| 15:22.31 | nijan | thanks however |
| 15:23.08 | enouf | no, i swing them about willy-nilly - sometimes i accidentally knock people out |
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| 15:23.14 | enouf | so they better watch out |
| 15:23.44 | ShredZ | can I force cups to scale to A4 no matter what ? |
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| 15:23.53 | enouf | nijan: i will try to help however i can .. you know this |
| 15:24.16 | enouf | nijan: the cut/copy/paste buffers in fbcon are different than X |
| 15:24.43 | khaleel5000 | enouf: i am sory i am a bit confused, so does DVD1 of lenny have complete (or majority of kde 3x packages)? |
| 15:24.55 | nijan | rotf at 17:23 |
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| 15:26.52 | enouf | nijan: i have something - not sure if this is X-related http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/25/paste-to-terminal-keyboard-shortcuts/ but this is def console http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Control_keys |
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| 15:28.36 | enouf | khaleel5000: i don't know - but i do know that http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-500-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 15:28.39 | enouf | does |
| 15:29.06 | enouf | khaleel5000: er .. atleast i think it has 3.5.x |
| 15:29.18 | enouf | khaleel5000: might have some 4.x libs integrated |
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| 15:32.00 | khaleel5000 | enouf: thanks |
| 15:32.05 | nijan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:33.43 | tehfox | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 15:33.51 | tehfox | hm. |
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| 15:37.02 | nijan | it seems to use a different buffer, because Im able to copy inside links itself. Deserves a better investigation |
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| 15:38.51 | SimonB__ | Hi all... |
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| 15:39.26 | tehfox | hello, when I try to "update-initramfs -u" my kernel, the RAID arrays are not included in the initramfs (there are no MD_DEVS in /conf/md.conf when I gunzip and extract the ramdisk). I can't find any reference why doesn't it detect the arrays. Is there any way to ensure it detects the arrays, or I need to modify it after every "update-initramfs" and add the arrays manually? |
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| 15:40.27 | ribasushi | what do I need to do to populate /boot/grub/ with all the boot stage images? |
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| 15:41.59 | santi_2 | hi |
| 15:42.11 | santi_2 | anyone know debian for apple ppc? |
| 15:42.21 | nkuttler | santi_2: #debian-ppc ? |
| 15:42.25 | santi_2 | yes |
| 15:42.34 | santi_2 | i dont know XD |
| 15:42.49 | nkuttler | !ppc |
| 15:42.50 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 15:43.25 | santi_2 | thanx |
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| 15:53.52 | Heavy-D | hey guys, whats the easiest way to get a log file (in /var/log) from my debian ftp server nto a format that I can save it in notepad on my Windows desktop? |
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| 15:54.41 | peppe | Heavy-D: the files in there are (should be?) plaintext files, what's the problem? |
| 15:55.06 | tehfox | Heavy-D: if you have problems with newline characters, use a better editor (if possible) |
| 15:55.24 | peppe | oh, the newlines. of course |
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| 15:57.12 | Heavy-D | yeah the problem i'm havnig is i did a 'cat' and outputted the contents to a file and then downloaded that file, opened it in notepad but it didn't have any CR's in it so it was all on one line |
| 15:57.16 | Heavy-D | and difficult to read |
| 15:57.36 | Heavy-D | any idea how to select all in Nano? |
| 15:57.38 | nsadmin | Heavy-D: you can easily write a converter |
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| 15:58.07 | zahna | does debian have a program to merge all the config files after a dist-upgrade? |
| 15:58.24 | nsadmin | merge? for what purpose? |
| 15:58.42 | zahna | for updating the distribution default files with the old maintained ones |
| 15:58.44 | cahoot | gentooism? |
| 15:59.00 | zahna | cahoot: actually a freebsdism, which gentoo adopted |
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| 15:59.28 | nsadmin | zahna: debian doesn't maintain config files in a merged fashion |
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| 16:00.03 | themill | zahna: that's mostly handled by the packages during the dist-upgrade. Usually, either config snippets are held in conf.d directories or the config file is generated through debconf. |
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| 16:00.06 | zahna | is there a package that contains them or something? |
| 16:00.14 | enouf | no |
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| 16:00.20 | nsadmin | the packages generate them usually |
| 16:00.37 | themill | zahna: some packages use ucf for managing their config files. |
| 16:00.43 | boot_loop | Is there really that much difference between ubuntu and debian? I installed them both with the gnome DE, and they work and feel the same to me... |
| 16:00.50 | enouf | yes |
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| 16:01.00 | zahna | so if there's a file there already does the package just skip installing it? |
| 16:01.24 | nsadmin | boot_loop: from a user standpoint, most unix oses feel the same |
| 16:01.48 | mns | zahna: you are asked if you want to keep the old one, put the new one, and have the choice of seeing the diff between the two. |
| 16:02.10 | zahna | mns: oh, so the merge happens on a per package level? |
| 16:02.15 | nsadmin | boot_loop: maybe it depends on why you're asking :) |
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| 16:02.35 | enouf | yeah, unices are like attraction .. could be physical (video and under the hood) or just mental (under the hood) |
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| 16:03.12 | Heavy-D | hey guys sorry to ask again, but is there a way to select all with nano? |
| 16:03.23 | nsadmin | but unlike unix, attraction is fragile and fleeting |
| 16:03.43 | nsadmin | Heavy-D: nano does have a man page |
| 16:03.53 | mns | zahna: yes, if I understand what you're asking for correctly. |
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| 16:04.00 | Absolute0 | dpkg only says how to install flash64 for firefox |
| 16:04.00 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Absolute0 |
| 16:04.06 | Absolute0 | where does opera keep its plugins? |
| 16:04.08 | boot_loop | nsadmin: what do you mean by attraction is fleeting? Do you mean each linux flavor only has a short term of popularity before it fades? |
| 16:04.25 | itchi | Hi, i have some mails in /var/mail/$USERNAME due some little glitch. Now all is back online and how can i deliver back these mails in /var/mail/* ? |
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| 16:04.39 | zahna | mns: cool |
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| 16:05.03 | mns | boot_loop: yeah .... unless its Debian in which case its everlasting :) |
| 16:05.18 | azeem | itchi: they are already delivered, maybe you want them processed again by procmail or so? |
| 16:05.18 | Absolute0 | or how do i prevent my firefox from crashing? |
| 16:05.18 | cahoot | boot_loop: in during the process it distroys your ability to feel attraction to the alternatives |
| 16:05.31 | nsadmin | boot_loop: no, enouf was comparing unix to attraction and mentioning similarities... I was mentioning differences :) |
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| 16:05.58 | itchi | azeem: Excactly, i piped the content back to procmail but no reaction |
| 16:06.10 | azeem | itchi: man procmail, search for "formail" |
| 16:06.11 | boot_loop | mns: I've used debian for years for servers; it's very secure out of the box, and it's intuitive and easy for me to use. But I use Ubuntu for most things now, and the reasons I was attracted to Ubuntu was because of it's ties to Debian |
| 16:06.29 | itchi | azeem: Thanks! Im looking to |
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| 16:07.35 | mns | an offspring of debian is still debian if you ask me :) |
| 16:07.50 | nsadmin | boot_loop: for one, they're different enough that people say "not invented here" and refuse to discuss the other |
| 16:07.53 | boot_loop | mns: yeah I feel the same way |
| 16:08.07 | liable | mns: uh, no |
| 16:09.21 | nsadmin | mns: there are more and more differences every day... you can look at how ubuntu generates its dist: it takes debian sid and works on it for a few months |
| 16:09.58 | nsadmin | so if you use debian stable, you could be looking at different features in dpkg, and that could include different package format |
| 16:10.35 | zahna | doesn't ubuntu even have a different init system? |
| 16:10.35 | nsadmin | ubuntu does not use debian kernels, so hardware support is potentially very different |
| 16:10.45 | zahna | upstart or something? |
| 16:10.59 | nsadmin | upstart is also in debian experimental |
| 16:11.10 | zahna | debian isn't switching to it, are they? |
| 16:11.20 | nsadmin | at the moment no |
| 16:11.31 | nsadmin | but perhaps they're looking at it |
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| 16:12.17 | zahna | really? |
| 16:12.20 | zahna | why? |
| 16:12.28 | Linuturk | where would I put modules that need to be unloaded before suspend/hibernate and loaded after suspend/hibernate? |
| 16:12.33 | nsadmin | I do think debian wants an init system which is based on dependencies |
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| 16:12.55 | zahna | doesn't update-rc.d do dependencies? |
| 16:13.00 | liable | Linuturk: depends on how you hibernate. it will be in whatever systems /etc files |
| 16:13.04 | nsadmin | nope |
| 16:13.09 | nsadmin | sure doesn't |
| 16:13.13 | linuxguy | Hi with some help last night, i got my nvidia card working properly, but when i look at the xorg.conf file there isnt much there, im trying to increase the resolution on the card, any helps would be great |
| 16:13.32 | Linuturk | liable: how do I tell what my system uses to hibernate? |
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| 16:13.51 | linuxguy | if it starts to snore :) |
| 16:13.52 | zahna | well, if they are going to abandon tradition, they should go with something more comprehensive, like sun's smf |
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| 16:14.19 | Linuturk | is pm one of those? |
| 16:14.32 | liable | pm-suspend is, yes |
| 16:14.35 | Linuturk | liable: /etc/pm/ ? |
| 16:14.42 | nsadmin | tradition is "everyone MUST know C in order to do any sysadmin tasks" |
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| 16:14.56 | nsadmin | thats definitely false these days |
| 16:14.58 | Linuturk | does that handle hibernation as well liable ? |
| 16:15.12 | zahna | that is not tradition |
| 16:15.22 | liable | Linuturk: i dont know actually, i gave up on it years ago due to various issues |
| 16:15.30 | nsadmin | yes it is, because C is the base of most bins |
| 16:15.38 | liable | nsadmin: wtf does C have to do with being an admin? |
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| 16:16.06 | nsadmin | and the truth is if you dont' know C, you won't be able to evaluate whether some code is insecure, fix and recompile |
| 16:16.27 | liable | pulls the bullshit alarm handle |
| 16:16.39 | nsadmin | liable: you weren't alive in the day when they were doing that? |
| 16:16.42 | zahna | nsadmin: if you think admins used to do that, you are mistaken |
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| 16:17.31 | zahna | admins have never looked through every line of code for security |
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| 16:17.46 | saivin | hi, does anyone know how to change the background in lxde? |
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| 16:18.40 | nsadmin | my point tho, is tradition is pretty much bullshit because tradition tends to block modern ideas |
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| 16:19.11 | zahna | nsadmin: change for the sake of change is foolish |
| 16:19.28 | saivin | hi, does anyone know how to change the background in lxde? |
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| 16:20.04 | nsadmin | and even if that's true, change will happen whether it's for the sake of change or not |
| 16:20.41 | zahna | hopefully not in this distro |
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| 16:20.48 | [evilgenius101] | where can i find IP Tables |
| 16:20.54 | nsadmin | of course in this distro and every other |
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| 16:21.14 | [evilgenius101] | i need to ban some ips from accessing apache |
| 16:21.15 | nsadmin | if you think that's not the case, maybe you should make your own |
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| 16:21.37 | zahna | i'm just glad you don't have commit rights |
| 16:21.49 | saivin | hi, does anyone know how to change the background in lxde? |
| 16:21.50 | nsadmin | how do you know I don't :) |
| 16:22.05 | zahna | because you don't sound experienced enough |
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| 16:22.21 | nsadmin | ahh, sounds like a traditionalist :) |
| 16:22.42 | antii | doesent linux support WPA2? |
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| 16:23.16 | saivin | auh... all i see is two guys discussing some finer philosophical points... no technical discussion... :( |
| 16:23.46 | cahoot | antii: it does |
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| 16:24.06 | saivin | hi, does anyone know how to change the background in lxde? |
| 16:24.15 | Paul_E | evaluates every line of code in MS products before deploying across the network. |
| 16:24.26 | liable | antii: of course. whether the driver you use or the ap you are connecting to behave correctly is another matter |
| 16:24.33 | Paul_E | ... with a lovely pearl comb, I might add... |
| 16:25.00 | liable | saivin: isnt it in the openbox manager thing it has? |
| 16:25.29 | nsadmin | zahna: you just don't like change... I don't necessarily either, but when people bat the word tradition around in order to apply pressure to slow change, I find that insidious and stupid |
| 16:25.57 | saivin | oh god, somebody at last... liable: it does have obconf but i cant change the background image... |
| 16:26.16 | saivin | it has theme, resolution etc not background image change option... |
| 16:27.00 | nsadmin | zahna: in fact I don't think you'd be satisfied without a psychological profile for every dd |
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| 16:27.36 | sander__ | How can I play back an dvd compressed in an .iso file? |
| 16:27.40 | zahna | nsadmin: i do like worthwhile change. we just have different standards to when the change it worth making. that's all i have to say. |
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| 16:28.01 | nsadmin | how do you know what my standards are? I haven't stated them |
| 16:28.12 | nsadmin | pretty forward and assumptive of you |
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| 16:28.25 | liable | saivin: hmm, gimme 5, looking for it myself |
| 16:28.30 | sander__ | mplayer works partly.. but the picture is not as good as it should have been |
| 16:28.46 | zahna | i'm done discussing the idea of change. we differ. |
| 16:29.19 | nsadmin | what I was telling you, was fact: debian WILL change, and you might like some changes and might not like others. |
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| 16:30.26 | ringo999 | how can I see which version of debian I'm running? |
| 16:30.26 | parsifal_ | What is that key combo that switches you to different virtual consoles? |
| 16:30.32 | liable | saivin: right click on the desktop |
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| 16:30.35 | parsifal_ | it's something and then a number |
| 16:30.56 | nsadmin | ringo999 try looking at the fiel /etc/debian_version |
| 16:31.35 | themill | parsifal_: Ctrl+Alt+F1 if you're in X, Alt+F1 if you're not. |
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| 16:33.43 | ringo999 | nsadmin: it says 5.0 - so lenny. however, in my /etc/apt/sources.list file I'm getting packages from sid repository...? |
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| 16:34.04 | nsadmin | ringo999: why are you doing that?\ |
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| 16:34.33 | saivin | oops... liable, i did killall pcmanfm and now if i rightclick i get desktop settings... |
| 16:34.46 | saivin | i was not getting it before... |
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| 16:35.26 | ringo999 | nsadmin: i guess at some point i wanted to "upgrade" to unstable... |
| 16:35.34 | ringo999 | nsadmin: but I got confused... |
| 16:35.46 | saivin | now i can set it... thanks a lot liable... |
| 16:35.50 | nsadmin | so you probably have a mixed system |
| 16:35.59 | liable | saivin: cool |
| 16:36.21 | nsadmin | which is not necessarily going to work |
| 16:37.12 | ringo999 | nsadmin: so how do i fix that? |
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| 16:38.04 | nsadmin | ringo999: the only supported ways are to restore from backup or upgrade. downgrade is not supported in debian and very likely never will be |
| 16:38.29 | themill | !partial downgrade |
| 16:38.30 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
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| 16:38.40 | nsadmin | the developers decided that to support downgrades would be too much work |
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| 16:39.48 | liable | NO |
| 16:39.49 | stew | yxam77: hello to you to! :) |
| 16:39.49 | nsadmin | STEAVE |
| 16:40.08 | parsifal_ | themill, cool, thanks |
| 16:40.12 | jdjb | did Debian 5 remove the "module.blacklist=yes" kernel parameters when installing? (this was the main reason for using debian 4 on my laptop..) |
| 16:40.24 | parsifal_ | Is there a simple gtk image viewer? |
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| 16:40.59 | liable | yes, i can never remember its name though |
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| 16:41.17 | nsadmin | jdjb: if you run grub, you can put it back... I guess you should check if your present kernel supports that parameter |
| 16:41.27 | asg | liable: eog |
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| 16:41.54 | jdjb | nsadmin: I'm doing a fresh install though...I need to blacklist the modules on the install disc because the system freezes when a couple of them loads even in the installation kernel |
| 16:42.05 | liable | asg: wasnt what i was thinking of, but i'll try not to remember than one too |
| 16:42.12 | stew | feh |
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| 16:42.46 | nsadmin | jdjb: hmm... you could put that on the kernel command line when you boot the installer |
| 16:42.55 | blubberdiblub | depends on what one considers simple. gqview is also quite plain in comparison to other viewers |
| 16:43.14 | jdjb | nsadmin: yes...I tried that...worked in debian 4...in debian 5 it just reports "unknown boot option sdhci.blacklist=yes" |
| 16:43.22 | liable | i think gqview was the one i was thinking of |
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| 16:43.30 | enouf | parsifal_: try gliv |
| 16:43.38 | parsifal_ | enouf, I just found ristretto for Xfce |
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| 16:43.44 | parsifal_ | thanks tho |
| 16:43.45 | asg | liable: ah, that sounds familiar |
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| 16:44.02 | nsadmin | jdjb: why not install 4 and upgrade to 5 |
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| 16:44.27 | enouf | parsifal_: it's great for scrolling moneyshots :-) |
| 16:44.33 | jdjb | nsadmin: that seems to be the only solution....disappointing though as I figure a fresh 5 install is more likely to work flawlessly...thanks for your help anyway |
| 16:44.40 | nsadmin | you could install just the base of 4, then upgrade that base to 5 |
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| 16:45.00 | parsifal_ | enouf: what? haha |
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| 16:45.07 | nsadmin | upgrading has been well supported since debian's inception |
| 16:45.11 | enouf | is not well .. and so .. retreats into his shell |
| 16:45.15 | nsadmin | in other words: |
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| 16:45.18 | nsadmin | it should work :) |
| 16:45.23 | ringo999 | nsadmin: well, I think I rather would like to upgrade. I thought I could upgrade simply by adding sid to my sources.list and then aptitude upgrade? |
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| 16:45.36 | jdjb | nsadmin: yep :p I hear ya...that's what I will do |
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| 16:45.52 | jdjb | just disappointing they removed a major functionality (for me) from debian 5...dunno wy |
| 16:45.54 | jdjb | why* |
| 16:45.55 | nsadmin | ringo999: didn't you already do that? |
| 16:46.00 | liable | enouf: not sleeping, and living on booze wiil do that! i have a few days to go before i have to do the same :P |
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| 16:48.01 | nsadmin | ringo999: didn't you say there are sid sources in your sources.list? |
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| 16:49.48 | ringo999 | nsadmin: yes I already did that, but how to I upgrade to sid then? |
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| 16:50.10 | ringo999 | nsadmin: so i have a non mixed system? |
| 16:50.27 | nsadmin | you're sure you want sid... |
| 16:51.26 | nsadmin | one thing that could mean... is that problems you find may not be within the awareness of people who might potentially help you in the future... which might mean: you have to fix it yourself |
| 16:52.21 | nsadmin | if you're ok with that, try aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 16:53.06 | Lirezh | can I easily upgrade to binutils 2.18 or higher on deb 4.0 ? |
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| 16:53.22 | IceD^ | trying to configure ldap/apache auth, having cn=username,dc=foo,dc=com scheme and want to auth by cn |
| 16:53.25 | dellsucks | how do i makesure this system that i'm on is a debian machine |
| 16:53.26 | dellsucks | ? |
| 16:53.41 | IceD^ | is AuthLDAPUrl ldap://localhost/dc=foo,dc=com?cn correct? |
| 16:53.50 | nsadmin | an analogy to draw... under stable, you live in a nice city with little crime and stores within walking distance |
| 16:53.55 | ringo999 | nsadmin: well, would that be better than the mixed up system I have now? or what do you suggest in such a case? |
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| 16:54.11 | nsadmin | under sid, you're in a desert with nothing for a hundred miles |
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| 16:54.39 | Lirezh | anyone knows ? |
| 16:54.45 | dellsucks | how do I know what version of Debain i'm running? |
| 16:54.48 | dellsucks | Debian* |
| 16:54.53 | dellsucks | something i can cat? |
| 16:54.57 | nsadmin | dellsucks: install it on that system |
| 16:55.07 | dellsucks | this server is already installed |
| 16:55.17 | nsadmin | is it yours? |
| 16:55.17 | ringo999 | nsadmin: so i just stay at what I got? and eventually reinstall? |
| 16:55.22 | dellsucks | nsadmin: just bought a dedi |
| 16:55.28 | dellsucks | but they said they installed centos |
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| 16:55.38 | dellsucks | when i asked for debian |
| 16:55.41 | Lirezh | can i use binutils from lenny without large upgrades ? |
| 16:55.47 | mns | dellsucks: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:55.49 | dellsucks | it seems to have apt-get and sources show lenny |
| 16:55.58 | dellsucks | ah ok thanks |
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| 16:56.26 | amphi | dellsucks: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:56.29 | ringo999 | nsadmin: for example, the "crime" im getting right now is when I try to wake from "suspend to ram", sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt |
| 16:56.32 | nsadmin | btw I've had very good luck with refurbished dell laptops :P |
| 16:56.32 | dellsucks | got it |
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| 16:56.48 | ringo999 | nsadmin: sometimes the screen stays blank, other times the mouse is messed up... |
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| 16:56.54 | mns | damn .. he didn't tell us what he was running ! |
| 16:57.02 | ringo999 | nsadmin: mouse <- touchpad |
| 16:57.35 | Lirezh | ehm I mean i am running etch, and need newer binutils not sarge |
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| 16:58.17 | nsadmin | ringo999: I am not familiar with suspend... but I would say it's probably the kernel that supports that |
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| 16:58.41 | nsadmin | one question, do you have sufficient ram to suspend to? |
| 16:58.48 | enouf | liable: heh |
| 16:58.49 | icebrain | I don't know if it has suspend to ram, but for suspend to disk TuxOnIce works perfectly :P |
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| 16:59.33 | _Brandon_ | anyone knows what's the replacement of ksynaptics? apt says that is referred by another package |
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| 16:59.46 | mns | Lirezh: binutils depends on libc, so you'll end up upgrading libc, which means probably a bunch of things that depend on it also, like the kernel, etc will get upgraded too. |
| 17:00.04 | amphi | for suspend to disk, good ol' swsusp has always worked for me |
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| 17:00.42 | Lirezh | ah shit |
| 17:00.49 | liable | suspend2 used to be very good, i have no idea what works now |
| 17:00.50 | Lirezh | My problem is that etch uses too old binutils for PaX |
| 17:00.56 | ringo999 | nsadmin: yes, 2gb... |
| 17:01.00 | Lirezh | i can't compile my kernel with old binutils ;/ |
| 17:01.10 | mns | Lirezh: so your short answer is "no it can't be done" and the long answer is "well it can't be done because .......... " |
| 17:01.24 | ringo999 | nsadmin: im using "sudo s2ram -f -p -m" |
| 17:01.43 | mns | Lirezh: have you tried backports ? may be there is a backport of the newer binutils .. |
| 17:02.04 | Lirezh | i'll try google thatt |
| 17:02.11 | mns | backports.org |
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| 17:02.42 | Lirezh | nothing in there |
| 17:02.46 | nsadmin | amphi: can you use an lvm vol with swsusp? |
| 17:03.04 | mns | Lirezh: let me check |
| 17:03.27 | mns | you're on Etch right ? |
| 17:03.41 | Lirezh | yes |
| 17:03.44 | ringo999 | nsadmin: im running on a macbook, maybe that's the problem |
| 17:04.04 | Lirezh | it needs binutils 2.18 or higher |
| 17:04.10 | Lirezh | 2.17-2 is on etch |
| 17:04.41 | nsadmin | oh, I have no idea for a macbook |
| 17:05.25 | amphi | nsadmin: no idea |
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| 17:06.17 | mns | yeah, you're right, there is no binutils in backports. |
| 17:06.40 | glassdimly | hey guys |
| 17:06.52 | glassdimly | and gals |
| 17:06.53 | mns | Lirezh: sorry, I can't think of anything else. |
| 17:07.02 | Lirezh | I'll try to compile it on my etch |
| 17:07.17 | Lirezh | thanks for the help mns |
| 17:07.21 | mns | no probs |
| 17:07.39 | jdjb | ahh linux 2.4....your long fsck brings me back... |
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| 17:10.09 | karsten | jdjb: y'know, after the next generation of filesystems we'll look back with fond memories of the good old times when we could fsck all day without ever taking a break. |
| 17:11.08 | jdjb | karsten: agreed :-)...I am fsck'ing a 63 gig ext3 partition atm with a 2.4 kernel...I could barely afford 20 gigs back the last time I did this ;-) and even then...the 20 gigs had to be shared between multiple partitions |
| 17:11.32 | liable | karsten: a bit like compiling as the excuse for not doing work |
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| 17:12.05 | mns | How does one check if the network interface is half-duplex or full-duplex ? |
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| 17:12.24 | asg | mns: mii-tool |
| 17:12.50 | mns | asg: thanks |
| 17:12.55 | asg | mns: ethtool also works with some NICs |
| 17:13.09 | liable | heh, i typed mtt-tools, then hung on hitting the enter key. my memory is shot |
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| 17:18.01 | B14CKH4T | hi guys |
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| 17:21.05 | magyar_ | hi, trying to backup a lenny server onto a DLT-V4 drive ( new drive and IBM cartridges) The error is: http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
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| 17:27.33 | magyar_ | XPSlammer, ? |
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| 17:27.56 | XPSlammer | magyar_: the error is not at http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 17:28.20 | magyar_ | shiat! |
| 17:28.23 | magyar_ | http://pastebin.ca/1343006 |
| 17:28.27 | magyar_ | XPSlammer, ^ |
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| 17:30.31 | XPSlammer | magyar_: ewww. that looks like deep sark scsi voodoo. do you know the drive definitely works? |
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| 17:31.17 | magyar_ | XPSlammer, it works like a dream without compression "j4" |
| 17:31.32 | magyar_ | but as soon as I use compression it fails |
| 17:31.39 | XPSlammer | then don't :) |
| 17:31.54 | XPSlammer | LTOs have hardware compression anyway, don't they? |
| 17:32.35 | magyar_ | sure |
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| 17:34.19 | ribasushi_ | where are the lenny update apt sources urls? |
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| 17:35.19 | racecar56 | how do i configure with dhcp? it failed during setup |
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| 17:35.28 | racecar56 | using lenny with kde 3.5.10 |
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| 17:37.55 | ribasushi | grrr |
| 17:38.23 | jdjb | I have a freshly installed debian 4 system with working internet connection...easiest way to upgrade to debian 5 is apt-get dist-ugprade? |
| 17:38.30 | sonasegaio | yo, i've installed minimal debian 5.0, now start to install only pkg strictly necessary: i've installed xorg then instead of gnome-core i want to install only some pkg. |
| 17:38.32 | asg | ribasushi: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 17:38.37 | ribasushi | where was this text/factoid about the security and volatile and so on things? |
| 17:38.39 | asg | jdjb: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 17:39.04 | sonasegaio | checking http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gnome-core i start with metacity but i found that it install also nautilus and some other stuff like scrollkeeper... why? |
| 17:39.06 | asg | ribasushi: /msg dpkg volatile ; /msg dpkg security |
| 17:40.03 | sonasegaio | if i would like to install only x-server (xorg) and metacity? |
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| 17:41.08 | sonasegaio | don't find that dependecy on metacity package http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/metacity |
| 17:42.54 | Seb | sonasegaio: make sure apt doesn't install suggests: and recommends: by default, maybe ? |
| 17:42.56 | stew | sonasegaio: metacity Recommends: gnome-session which Recommends: nautilus |
| 17:43.09 | stew | it installs Recommends: by default but not Suggests: |
| 17:43.15 | Seb | stew: is there a factoid describing how to disable this behavior ? |
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| 17:43.32 | deb_ | hello,i've debian testing,with hardisk SAMSUNG HD501LJ,why not recognizes this HD? |
| 17:43.39 | stew | Seb: aptitude --without-recommends |
| 17:43.41 | liable | !recommends |
| 17:43.44 | sonasegaio | ahhhh! ok now, how to install it without reccomends-packages? sry i'm nub...apt-get install metacity --? |
| 17:43.47 | sonasegaio | stew: thanks |
| 17:43.59 | Seb | stew: oh i meant to permanently disable it |
| 17:44.08 | Seb | stew: but i didn't know about --without-recommends, cool |
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| 17:44.16 | liable | there is a factoid for it somewhere |
| 17:44.18 | mns | deb_: is it external or internal drive ? |
| 17:44.23 | somebee_ | hi.. I restarted a dedicated webserver earlier today (after updating kernel) and it never managed to restart.. Its been going on for hours now, reporting "lost page write due to I/O error on sda" ... etc on startup. Its equipped with two Raptors in raid1.. is this one or both of the disks crashing? |
| 17:44.24 | Seb | echo 'APT::Install-Suggests "false";' >| /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02Recommends |
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| 17:44.27 | stew | !apt recommends |
| 17:44.27 | dpkg | Since lenny, APT installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want this, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf, or as a one-off, you can: apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name, or set the APT::Install-Recommends option to false. |
| 17:44.36 | stew | !start an install-recommends war |
| 17:44.37 | dpkg | apt-get now installs a minesweeper when I told it to install bacula. *sob* |
| 17:44.50 | Seb | stew: awesome :) |
| 17:44.52 | liable | hah |
| 17:45.07 | sonasegaio | thank to all men |
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| 17:46.09 | sonasegaio | it is necessary gnome-session? after install xorg and metacity |
| 17:46.26 | deb_ | mns: is internal drive |
| 17:46.33 | stew | sonasegaio: not necessary, now |
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| 17:46.43 | stew | err "no" not "now" |
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| 17:47.36 | mns | deb_: what do you see in /proc/partitions ? Have you partitioned it already ? What fs is on it ? |
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| 17:48.03 | sonasegaio | stew: what it does? if my computer is a home web-server mono-user, how it could be useful? |
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| 17:48.43 | DragoraN | hi all |
| 17:48.51 | deb_ | not partitioned,not see my hardisk for install debian |
| 17:48.52 | DragoraN | why lenny installer cannot detect BCM5703X nic ? |
| 17:48.53 | ribasushi | hm... |
| 17:49.07 | sonasegaio | only save session's windows for next access? |
| 17:49.12 | stew | sonasegaio: gnome-session would give you a "gnome desktop environment". It could automatically start applications (such as nautilus and gnome-panel) when you login, and set preferences like mouse speed and such |
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| 17:49.31 | stew | DragoraN: perhaps it needs firmware? |
| 17:49.43 | DragoraN | stew: LAN NIC ? |
| 17:49.52 | sonasegaio | so an "auto-start" and "save windows" service? |
| 17:49.53 | DragoraN | stew: its not wlan |
| 17:49.55 | ribasushi | I want to have general apt pinned to lenny, but still have the ability to install newer stuff via aptitude. I added an APT::Default-Release "lenny"; config item, yet if I add testing/sid to the repositories aptitude tells me there is stuff to upgrade |
| 17:49.56 | stew | DragoraN: yes |
| 17:49.56 | ribasushi | why? |
| 17:50.05 | DragoraN | stew: how can i do that? |
| 17:50.23 | mns | deb_: oh you're trying to install Debian and not seeing it ? |
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| 17:50.45 | deb_ | yes |
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| 17:51.00 | racecar56 | how do i configure the network card with dhcp? it failed during setup... im using kde 3.5.10 |
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| 17:51.08 | racecar56 | debian 5 |
| 17:51.17 | stew | DragoraN: IF it needs firmware (I'm only guessing, but some broadcom nics do) you should be prompted during the lenny installer to load them from a usb key, or so I've heard. I've not used a recent lenny installer |
| 17:51.32 | stew | racecar56: man interfaces |
| 17:51.39 | stew | racecar56: or /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 17:51.51 | DragoraN | stew: but they are not available on HP site (server is HP DL380 G3) |
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| 17:52.48 | younnn | hello |
| 17:52.51 | mns | deb_: haven't worked with the installer in quiet a few years. sorry don't know much about why it wouldn't be recognising it or such. |
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| 17:53.17 | sonasegaio | during netinst, what include the "standard system" in tasksel? libs? fonts? ...? |
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| 17:53.41 | stew | DragoraN: iirc those use the tg3 module. i know there have been firmware problems with that module in the past. i don't know if they still exist. try "modprobe -r tg3 ;modprobe tg3 ; dmesg | tail" and see if dmesg spits out anything diagnostic |
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| 17:54.49 | ribasushi | anyone help with pinning to lenny? |
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| 17:54.54 | stuckey | Hello, I'm installing nvidia drivers the debian way. I ran the script to tell which version I need and it says "Uh oh. Your card is only supported by versions ulterior to 173, which were only packaged in experimental. Uh oh. Your card is only supported by the 71.86 legacy drivers series, which is not in Lenny." |
| 17:55.11 | ribasushi | APT::Default-Release "lenny"; doesn't seem to work the way I think it does |
| 17:55.21 | strepsnecks | strepsnecks, u are so handsome |
| 17:55.25 | strepsnecks | :) |
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| 17:56.28 | stew | ribasushi: you'd have to use "stable" not "lenny" afaik, but it is not safe to mix stable with non-stable. use backports instead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:56.53 | ribasushi | stew: ah so it doesn't work with named releases, noted |
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| 17:57.07 | ribasushi | stew: I am quite comfortable with the mix, thanks for the note though |
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| 17:59.39 | ribasushi | stew: is the Default-Release a wrapper around the pinning mechanism, or is it a totally separate beast? |
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| 18:00.34 | bolt-work | /. down? |
| 18:00.35 | jdjb | debian 5: apt-get install kde...will this give me kde 3.5.something or kde4 ? |
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| 18:01.01 | bolt-work | jdjb: apt-cache policy kde |
| 18:01.36 | dustybin | NEXT WITHOUT FOR |
| 18:01.39 | jdjb | bolt-work: Candidate: 5:48?? what does that mean.. |
| 18:01.40 | dustybin | READY |
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| 18:02.23 | racecar56 | when i try to do auto eth0 with my debian vm it just gives up and does local only |
| 18:02.52 | jelly | jdjb: 5:48 is a version number. |
| 18:03.19 | jelly | dustybin: SYS64738 |
| 18:03.22 | jdjb | jelly: yes...I realize that...but it doesn't tell me what version of KDE I'm getting...there is no KDE 5 (obviously) |
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| 18:03.31 | dustybin | resets |
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| 18:03.57 | stew | ribasushi: its part of the pinning mechanism, see "man apt_preferences" |
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| 18:06.07 | jelly | jdjb: "apt-cache show kde" would show its dependencies, which hopefully have better package versions. That package version is "48", btw. 5: is an epoch and basically means "we screwed up with versioning this package and started from scratch 5 times so far" |
| 18:06.26 | jelly | jdjb: kde = 3.5.10 |
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| 18:06.45 | jdjb | jelly: thanks :-) I eventually did some showpkg's to find it...but I figured someone on here would've been actually running kde and could tell me quicker |
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| 18:07.01 | dustybin | debian kicks ass, there isnt anything else to compare it to |
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| 18:07.13 | jelly | I missed the line with "<jdjb> debian 5: apt-get install kde...will this give me kde 3.5.something or kde4 ?" |
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| 18:07.59 | XPSlammer | dustybin: wait til you get to have a bath with twins. |
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| 18:08.44 | dustybin | O,o |
| 18:10.00 | racecar56 | omg my problem is solved i just had to change the network adapter from pcnet pci to pcnet fast (its a vbox vm) |
| 18:10.01 | dustybin | is debian one big act of subversive playful cleverness ? |
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| 18:10.11 | racecar56 | btw yayz for debian 5 |
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| 18:11.52 | Lildonkey | hola consulta |
| 18:11.58 | racecar56 | how do i make ctrl+f4 not bing me to desktop 4? i use it in firefox to close tabs >_< |
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| 18:12.07 | Lildonkey | acabo de migrar hacia debian |
| 18:12.15 | Lildonkey | pero el problema es video |
| 18:12.25 | Lildonkey | como logro la instalacion de ati 200m |
| 18:13.00 | Lildonkey | la distribucion es debian 5.0 |
| 18:13.15 | jelly | !es |
| 18:13.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:13.16 | jdjb | racecar56: what wm? |
| 18:13.21 | racecar56 | kde 3 |
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| 18:14.22 | EugenMayer_ | where does procmail move the emails if it could not move them to the dest ( which was not there yet or whatever ) |
| 18:14.24 | BirdInTux | could someone assist me please I am having troubles getting java and flash plug ins installed |
| 18:14.49 | BirdInTux | flash shows up in my about:plugins but it dont work |
| 18:15.00 | jelly | EugenMayer_: could not move them? Look in its log. |
| 18:15.11 | BirdInTux | and java i have installed its even in my start menu |
| 18:15.29 | thedave | hi! I installed my debian on a flash disk router. is there a way to minimize the write access like disabling all logging, mount the complete thing as readonly or create ramdisk? (I read somewhere that flash discs have limited write counts) |
| 18:15.41 | EugenMayer_ | jelly yes, the dir was not presednt ( drive not mounted ) |
| 18:15.42 | somebee | anyone here? I have had a server crash with two 74gb raptors in raid1.. how can I read the contents of one of those disks on mac? (I have an external SATA usb cabinet) |
| 18:15.50 | jelly | EugenMayer_: which you should have enabled with something like LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail.log |
| 18:16.07 | cheekee | I have a system with no root or user passwords. Is this dangerous? |
| 18:16.38 | BirdInTux | depends on if you have valuable stuff cheekee lol |
| 18:16.47 | BirdInTux | linux people are the king of the hackers lol |
| 18:17.02 | jelly | cheekee: it depends on whether you're a troll or not. |
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| 18:22.34 | cheekee | jelly: lol, no I am genuine.... I have Knoppix 6.0.1, b4 you groan, I hasten to add it runs entirely on Debian packages. The problem is that is really a USB pen-drive system so it doesn't come with all the security of normal linux systems |
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| 18:24.27 | cheekee | But creating a root account for a pen-drive system does seem a bit rich |
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| 18:25.20 | stoned | hola holio |
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| 18:25.44 | stoned | uhm |
| 18:25.55 | stoned | knoppix uses entirely nothing but debian packageS? |
| 18:26.05 | stoned | but thats bullshit |
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| 18:26.49 | stoned | so why are you not asking in #knoppix ? You like debian alot? you'd rather ask here? then why don't you install debian cheekee |
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| 18:27.10 | MJS | does someone know how to restore data from FAT Partitions? |
| 18:27.29 | stoned | its like I go to burger king and ask for a big mac, its its meat bread and condiments right, same thing |
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| 18:27.33 | stoned | ... |
| 18:27.45 | cheekee | The latest release Knoppix 6.0.1 only uses debian repertories. They have locks on some custom-made things so you can't change them |
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| 18:27.54 | stoned | MJS, fat has tons of undelete utils doesn't it |
| 18:27.59 | stoned | MJS, have you googled at all? |
| 18:28.18 | cheekee | only unstable debian |
| 18:28.18 | MJS | yes but found only some for windows |
| 18:28.37 | stoned | fsck.vfat with a -u switch? |
| 18:28.44 | stoned | perhaps you can read the docs, or google a bit |
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| 18:29.18 | stoned | cheekee, if you are not using debian you will not find support here. You will not win this argument. I've been here over 8 years and I've not seen anyone EVER win this argument. |
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| 18:29.28 | stoned | cheekee, please consult with your distributions channel |
| 18:29.30 | stoned | thanks |
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| 18:30.23 | jdjb | stoned: I think his question about no passwords is pretty independent of what distribution he is using |
| 18:30.38 | stoned | yes, but I'm only for debian, my support is only for debian users |
| 18:30.43 | stoned | anyone else can go fuck themselves |
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| 18:31.12 | jdjb | stoned: then don't answer him :-) |
| 18:31.12 | stoned | I will do as I please |
| 18:31.12 | stoned | pleae see my above statement |
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| 18:31.38 | StyXman | I want to track two bugs that bites me: when I introduce a cd I don't get a meesage from my device manager. the other one is that digikam can't erase photos from sd cards. I just want to be sure the system is properly configured, so, how do I see if hal/dbus events are correctly triggered? what should I do besides putting my user in the plugdev group? I can figure out by myself more app level bugs |
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| 18:32.07 | stoned | I think for the cdrom bit you may need pmount? |
| 18:32.31 | stoned | when you plugin in usb or sd cards you should see something in dmesg output |
| 18:32.50 | stoned | er usb |
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| 18:33.04 | stoned | as for the sd cards, I've never owned one, never used one, refuse to use one ;) |
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| 18:33.30 | stoned | i know very little about that. Though what error message you get when you try to access or delete from the sd card |
| 18:33.37 | stoned | ? |
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| 18:34.19 | jelly | cheekee: if the system is shielded from network access and you're always present when it's used and it carries no sensitive data, I guess it's safe enough. |
| 18:34.26 | StyXman | stoned: let me see |
| 18:34.45 | stoned | StyXman, btw, you do know that after you add a user to a group you have to completely log that use out and login again |
| 18:34.51 | stoned | for the change to take effect |
| 18:35.18 | StyXman | well, the sd card got automatically mounted |
| 18:35.30 | StyXman | stoned: of course |
| 18:35.35 | stoned | if you are unable to delete, but it mounts, then it could be a permission issue |
| 18:35.47 | stoned | maybe its not automounting with correct perms |
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| 18:36.00 | stoned | try to have it mounted regularly as you do, but su to root maybe then try to delete one file |
| 18:36.03 | stoned | see what happens |
| 18:36.27 | StyXman | beh, it works now :| |
| 18:36.35 | stoned | coulda just been a brain fart ;) |
| 18:36.36 | StyXman | ok, forget about the ds cards |
| 18:37.21 | cheekee | jelly: thanks I just added a root passwd |
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| 18:37.55 | stoned | Guerin, today is my brothers birthday. You remeber my brother don't you, what 5 or 6 years ago hehehe |
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| 18:38.24 | one_2_one | hi all |
| 18:38.27 | stoned | hi |
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| 18:38.38 | racecar56 | hi |
| 18:38.41 | one_2_one | how can i download all packages from repository ? |
| 18:38.45 | one_2_one | apt-get -d * |
| 18:38.48 | Kobaz | how do i set ntpd to be stratum 1, so it treat's the system time as authoritive |
| 18:38.51 | one_2_one | doesent do that |
| 18:38.57 | one_2_one | :| |
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| 18:39.01 | racecar56 | O_O download all packages?? LOL |
| 18:39.08 | one_2_one | yes its only 1400 |
| 18:39.16 | one_2_one | ps2 arch |
| 18:39.17 | racecar56 | lol |
| 18:39.21 | StyXman | now, I inserted the cd and nothing happens. that's ok, I don't want it mounted automatically (or maybe I do, but that's not the point). the point is my kde's device manager shows nothing. how do I make sure thta hal/dbus are working properly in this case? |
| 18:39.45 | stoned | kde3 or 4? |
| 18:39.53 | StyXman | stoned: actually kde4 |
| 18:39.57 | stoned | StyXman, oh go away |
| 18:39.58 | one_2_one | so ? |
| 18:39.59 | stoned | I hate you!!! |
| 18:40.00 | jelly | one_2_one: why? |
| 18:40.01 | stoned | ;) |
| 18:40.04 | valdyn | one_2_one: use jigdo |
| 18:40.24 | valdyn | one_2_one: if theres a jigdo template for ps2 that is |
| 18:40.25 | stoned | don't download all packages, if you need to why don't you just get the torrents for the dvd images |
| 18:40.29 | stoned | ? |
| 18:40.29 | jelly | one_2_one: you could just mirror the repository instead. |
| 18:40.29 | StyXman | one_2_one: do you want to make a mirror or to install all the packages? |
| 18:40.47 | one_2_one | jelly i have the feeling that the repository will be shut down |
| 18:40.48 | StyXman | stoned: it's easy to compile :-P |
| 18:40.53 | cheekee | If I ask people whether they prefer Gnome to KDE4 is that polling? |
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| 18:41.00 | stoned | cheekee, yes |
| 18:41.01 | valdyn | cheekee: yes |
| 18:41.06 | StyXman | cheekee: of course |
| 18:41.17 | cheekee | ok! I dodn't ask |
| 18:41.18 | StyXman | or, that's one way of polling |
| 18:41.21 | stoned | but if you ask an individual that in the proper context its ok |
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| 18:41.24 | stoned | for example |
| 18:41.25 | one_2_one | <StyXman> get all packages.... then i can use it or not |
| 18:41.30 | stoned | StyXman, do you perfer kde3 or kde4? |
| 18:41.31 | StyXman | the other one goes on the lines of 'are we there yet?' |
| 18:41.39 | stoned | thats not a poll really becuase its in the context |
| 18:41.42 | stoned | imo anyway |
| 18:41.51 | StyXman | stoned: I'm a kde developer, or some sort of, so... |
| 18:41.52 | cheekee | ok |
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| 18:41.56 | stoned | me too! |
| 18:42.05 | Vinterbound | installing debian was much quicker when i downloaded the 2nd cd, it wasn't made clear that it will have to download the rest of the packages if i got only the first cd |
| 18:42.06 | one_2_one | <jelly> ok gonna check that |
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| 18:42.07 | stoned | not fully developer but I'm on the localization project |
| 18:42.08 | stoned | ;) |
| 18:42.09 | StyXman | one_2_one: you want a local mirror |
| 18:42.16 | StyXman | one_2_one: use debmirror |
| 18:42.25 | stoned | kde's that is, besides the one for debian that i do |
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| 18:42.42 | StyXman | stoned: which language? |
| 18:42.44 | stoned | kde is the most awemest ever and anyone can suck a big fat one! kde4 can suck it too |
| 18:42.47 | stoned | StyXman, Urdu |
| 18:42.49 | stoned | !ur |
| 18:42.49 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
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| 18:43.03 | StyXman | stoned: hmm, where's that from? |
| 18:43.07 | stoned | Pakistan |
| 18:43.10 | StyXman | geezuz |
| 18:43.12 | one_2_one | StyXman well this blackrhino distro soesnt have all apps like debian :| |
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| 18:43.29 | StyXman | one_2_one: but it's debain based? |
| 18:43.32 | one_2_one | yes |
| 18:43.32 | stoned | urdu is a very widely spoken language |
| 18:43.33 | StyXman | debian* |
| 18:43.40 | StyXman | one_2_one: make a local mirror w/ debmirror |
| 18:43.49 | cheekee | I really think it should be possible to download a functional debian system by only 1 CD and then do the full download and install over the net |
| 18:43.49 | stoned | its a shame debian is without it, but hopefully not for long |
| 18:43.57 | stoned | cheekee, you can. |
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| 18:44.02 | StyXman | just add all the needed params to make a mirror of blackrhino instead of a debian one |
| 18:44.07 | valdyn | cheekee: why should? |
| 18:44.07 | stoned | all you need is a 150mb iso. Netinst |
| 18:44.08 | cheekee | ok |
| 18:44.10 | jdjb | cheekee: I just did that an hour ago.. |
| 18:44.11 | valdyn | cheekee: its been possible forever |
| 18:44.20 | stoned | or netboot |
| 18:44.21 | StyXman | cheekee: look for netinstall |
| 18:44.32 | stoned | I like netboot, I can directly install sid that way ;) |
| 18:44.39 | StyXman | 140MiB or so iso image |
| 18:44.44 | stoned | no mucking about with testing netinst iso |
| 18:44.51 | StyXman | yeah, specially with local mirrors :) |
| 18:45.24 | StyXman | so, does anyone knows how to see dbus/ahl events? |
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| 18:46.07 | cheekee | Anyway I already have Debian 5.0 on another system, I started with Etch and then kept upgrading on the internet after that |
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| 18:50.14 | stoned | isn't there some sort of a dbus-watch tool in dbus-1-utils |
| 18:50.25 | stoned | why do I remember that vaguely, I could have been stoned |
| 18:50.32 | stoned | but I somehow remember that |
| 18:50.34 | somebee | can anyone recommend any tools / process for rescuing data from a broken raid1 setup (two raptors) |
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| 18:50.40 | somebee | only drives in server |
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| 18:50.42 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ping |
| 18:50.43 | cheekee | I was mainly talking about making it easy for new-new users not old-new users like me |
| 18:51.17 | StyXman | stoned: dbus-monitor :) |
| 18:51.21 | racecar56 | what am i gonna do? the resolution on my vbox virtual machine (guest debian host ubuntu) dosent resize to the window and the xorg.conf looks ok... and yes autoresize IS enabled |
| 18:51.24 | stoned | yeh somthing like that |
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| 18:51.59 | Supaplex | mmm dpkg -L <foo> | grep bin/ ftw :) |
| 18:52.03 | bolt-work | somebee: both drives broke? |
| 18:52.03 | Alkavan | hay, just installed debian 5.0 on vmware, i did a net install with basic system only. the installer set my network to use DHCP, and i need it to be static IP, how i change this configuration? ifconfig only? or i need to change some files? (not new to linux, but don't remember much) |
| 18:52.11 | stoned | Supaplex, yo |
| 18:52.14 | jelly | racecar56: are virtualbox tools installed inside the guest? |
| 18:52.22 | Supaplex | stoned: mama |
| 18:52.26 | stoned | lol |
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| 18:52.34 | racecar56 | yes |
| 18:52.35 | stoned | Supaplex, good afternoon sir ;) |
| 18:52.36 | somebee | bolt-work: hopefully not.. but I cannot get the server to boot.. notifies about hundreds on errors on start, and takes hours |
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| 18:52.52 | somebee | "cannot write to ### i/o on sda1" etc etc |
| 18:52.58 | bolt-work | somebee: take the faulty drive out of there, put a new one in, sync the array... |
| 18:53.05 | Supaplex | stoned: *yawn* the giveadamn is busticated. sorry =) |
| 18:53.12 | stoned | hehe asshole |
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| 18:53.18 | somebee | bolt-work: it has worked perfectly for a year, but had to do a restart after updating to bigmem kernel.. never got it to boot again (with old kernel either) |
| 18:53.23 | stoned | ahhh boy, good to have you back to normal |
| 18:53.25 | stoned | heh |
| 18:53.49 | bolt-work | somebee: what kind of errors are you getting? are you using hardware or software raid? |
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| 18:54.53 | jelly | racecar56: are you using the correct xorg driver? |
| 18:55.06 | Alkavan | . /etc/network/interfaces would control network interfaces settings? |
| 18:55.16 | StyXman | Alkavan: yeap |
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| 18:55.26 | jelly | racecar56: please answer in the channel. |
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| 18:55.46 | stoned | man I haven't seen anything on the lenny release party in nyc yet |
| 18:55.48 | stoned | on nyc-soc |
| 18:56.00 | stoned | wtf is taking so long |
| 18:56.06 | racecar56 | waht do you mean correct xorg driver, dosent the VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run script do it all? |
| 18:56.12 | jelly | racecar56: have you read the manual? I _think_ to make full use of vbox additions for xorg you need to use the proper driver. |
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| 18:56.36 | jelly | racecar56: I don't know. |
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| 18:56.57 | SerajewelKS | the additions setup script modifies xorg.conf to include the mouse driver but NOT the video driver |
| 18:56.58 | crackintosh | what program would I use to modify a line in a file? awk? |
| 18:57.02 | SerajewelKS | you have to do that yourself, at least on debian |
| 18:57.11 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh: probably sed |
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| 18:57.31 | crackintosh | I have a file that has a date in it, I need to change that date every sunday by shell script. |
| 18:57.47 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh: yeah, sed |
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| 18:58.08 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh: what's the format of the line? |
| 18:58.29 | crackintosh | one line, |
| 18:58.30 | crackintosh | 02/18/09 |
| 18:58.35 | jelly | crackintosh: sed, awk, perl, whatever you know how to use. |
| 18:58.37 | crackintosh | need to say todays date. |
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| 18:59.05 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh: mmm, well look at the date --format option (i think) to see how to get that format |
| 18:59.10 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh: is that the only thing on the line? |
| 18:59.21 | jelly | crackintosh: if \d is a digit, are there any other lines looking like \d\d / \d\d / \d\d ? |
| 18:59.35 | BubbaT | When I get to the portion of the install where I partition the drive. It will not let me create an extended partition. Any idea why? |
| 18:59.39 | crackintosh | I was thinking of just doing rm filename.txt echo %M/%D/%Y >> filename.txt or something like that. |
| 18:59.45 | crackintosh | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 18:59.49 | Fah | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.58 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh: if that's the only thing in the file then... yeah, what Fah said |
| 19:00.04 | racecar56 | my debian 5 isnt connecting to the net anymore?? waht am i going to do about this its annoying |
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| 19:00.30 | SerajewelKS | racecar56: i dunno, provide diagnostic details? |
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| 19:00.37 | SerajewelKS | racecar56: you can complain too, but that won't fix your problem |
| 19:00.39 | stoned | gameboy advance sp uses an arm cpu, no mmc, you do guys suppose debian in some form could be made to work on gba sp |
| 19:00.45 | jelly | crackintosh: except your format seems to have to be %m/%d/%y |
| 19:00.45 | racecar56 | like what details? |
| 19:00.52 | wah | hi. what is the right way to set the console font in debian lenny? |
| 19:00.55 | crackintosh | jelly: yeah i got that, thanks for looking out |
| 19:00.56 | stoned | using say a 1gb or something programmable flash cartridge for the system |
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| 19:01.08 | wah | is it kbd or console-tools? |
| 19:01.10 | SerajewelKS | racecar56: like the output of 'ifconfig' 'route -n' etc |
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| 19:01.24 | racecar56 | k |
| 19:01.29 | Fah | yeah, dont just paste my example. it also includes a newline |
| 19:01.32 | SerajewelKS | racecar56: in a pastebin of course |
| 19:01.40 | cheekee | It doesn't connect via what? cable or wireless? And did it ever connect as Debian 5.0? |
| 19:01.44 | Fah | you may or may not want a newline. i have no idea |
| 19:01.55 | SerajewelKS | Fah: most unixy things expect trailing newlines |
| 19:01.57 | jelly | stoned: if it works on a DS... |
| 19:02.02 | Fah | but for a single line file with a date string.... date +format > file is yourfriend |
| 19:02.11 | stoned | jelly, it works on a DS |
| 19:02.14 | jelly | stoned: a Nintendo DS doesn't have a mmu either. |
| 19:02.17 | stoned | in my googling that didn't come up |
| 19:02.19 | stoned | jelly, hmm |
| 19:02.20 | Fah | SerajewelKS: i've been bitten both ways. But newlines are fairly standard. |
| 19:02.21 | SerajewelKS | Fah: and there is always: echo -n "`date +...`" > foo |
| 19:02.39 | stoned | jelly, I have a custom gba flash card that I can burn roms to, even convert movies, mp3s, books in to a fba format rom |
| 19:02.51 | stoned | I wanted to do something with it that doesn't depend on windows |
| 19:02.54 | Fah | SerajewelKS: yes. solving the problem is trivial. i'm just pointing it out |
| 19:03.03 | SerajewelKS | Fah: ah, k |
| 19:03.05 | stoned | like if I can do the same thing, but instea dof running the windows like OS, run debian or something |
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| 19:03.34 | racecar56 | hold on my vm was powered off... |
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| 19:04.27 | jelly | stoned: have fun porting an OS to weird hardware! |
| 19:04.27 | racecar56 | ifconfig: command not found |
| 19:04.35 | crackintosh | thanks guys! |
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| 19:04.38 | stoned | could be fun |
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| 19:04.44 | stoned | I've got some free time on my hands |
| 19:04.51 | racecar56 | route: command not found |
| 19:04.57 | stoned | I stopped working to fully concentrate on my IT consulting firm |
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| 19:05.02 | stoned | so I have much more time now heh |
| 19:05.16 | vadmeste | Hi. As I found, Lenny contains Evolution 2.24 although Squeeze and Sid contain just Evolution 2.22.3, is that normal ? |
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| 19:06.05 | wah | vadmeste: are you sure? |
| 19:06.21 | wah | vadmeste: as i'm not - have a look at packages.debian.org |
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| 19:08.17 | somebee | bolt-work: still here? appreciate the help. I'm running hardware raid (areca controller).. I get lots of "cannot ** i/o to sda1 etc (don't have the exact errors here now).. and its trying to 'remount filesystem read-only' after a while |
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| 19:09.28 | Alkavan | debian got any package manager? netowrked or not? |
| 19:09.42 | Alkavan | how it's called? |
| 19:09.54 | vadmeste | wah, sorry, it was a mistake.. |
| 19:10.00 | AliTarihi | any command to print the current keyboard layout? |
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| 19:11.21 | Fah | Alkavan: check out the man pages for dkpg and apt-get? |
| 19:11.36 | Fah | Alkavan: er, thats dpkg |
| 19:12.00 | scientes | when pam shadow is md5 is that cramm5d, digest or plain? |
| 19:12.47 | vadmeste | wah, just one last question.. is that possible that Evolution upgrade in squeeze someday ? |
| 19:12.47 | Alkavan | thanks |
| 19:12.57 | vadmeste | to 2.24 for example |
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| 19:13.39 | dkr | vadmeste: yes |
| 19:13.42 | Fah | Alkavan: there are also gui frontends |
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| 19:14.12 | vadmeste | ok, thanks for everyone |
| 19:14.12 | scientes | can i install and make work sommand-not-found on lenny, or would the database of command-not-found only work with sqeeze? |
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| 19:14.38 | scientes | vadmeste, wouldnt all of gnome update? |
| 19:14.54 | Mikaze | Hello. Anyone have experience setting up a Lexmark Optra 1255 printer? Have the ppd file and all, but still having a problem getting Debian to see it. |
| 19:15.24 | vadmeste | scientes, I think no.. |
| 19:15.43 | scientes | it is testing and 2.24 is released |
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| 19:18.00 | vadmeste | scientes, i still have gnome 2.22.3 |
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| 19:18.26 | scientes | i have 2.24 and have had it for a while |
| 19:18.36 | vadmeste | scientes, how can I verify if squeeze is installed properly ? |
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| 19:19.41 | stuckey | Hello. Could anyone tell me how I can find out if a particular video chipset (intel x4500hd) is supported in stable? |
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| 19:22.50 | cgibin | why is it upon typing su in any user that command works. how can i make it so that su command only uses 1 user.. i know about sudo i m not trying to use sudo |
| 19:23.30 | cgibin | on my unix wheel take cares of does inputs |
| 19:23.39 | PuraVida | Can someone explain why a package version at packages.debian.org differs from that reported by apt-cache? PostgreSQL is v 8.3.6-1 here: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=postgresql&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all but 8.3.5-1 using apt-cache http://pastebin.com/m9777908. This is a fresh Lenny install from netisnt. |
| 19:24.29 | cgibin | see the source.list |
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| 19:25.49 | cgibin | any ideas? |
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| 19:27.28 | PuraVida | cgibin: http://pastebin.com/m7b6bb6e7 |
| 19:28.24 | alekz | exit |
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| 19:30.22 | EugenMayer_ | if i have mails in my maildir and i want them to be processed by procmail to move them into the specific folder, how would i do that? I have a procmail conf, the problem is, it failed the last time because the dest. was not moounted |
| 19:30.55 | stoned | hm |
| 19:31.00 | EugenMayer_ | + great work on the upgrade path to lenny. I had not problems at all, it took some time, but it just worked |
| 19:31.06 | karsten | EugenMayer_: for msg in $( find . -type f ); do procmail -f <rulfile> <$msg; done |
| 19:31.19 | karsten | s/rulfile/rulefile |
| 19:31.58 | EugenMayer_ | karsten: sure it should work ? |
| 19:32.06 | EugenMayer_ | i have done that, it did not move the mails |
| 19:32.19 | karsten | EugenMayer_: Confirm the procmail option for invoking a specific rule |
| 19:33.01 | karsten | EugenMayer_: It won't move the mails. It will process them according to the procmail recipies you've stated. They should then be disposed of (in new copies) according to those rules. |
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| 19:33.01 | karsten | EugenMayer_: The originals will remain. |
| 19:33.07 | EugenMayer_ | oh, ok |
| 19:33.34 | karsten | EugenMayer_: If you're using a header cache and have aattempted processing the mail previously, then the rules won't be applied because of the header cache recipie. |
| 19:33.44 | karsten | EugenMayer_: If that doesn't mean anything to you, hold on one sec. |
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| 19:34.30 | scientes | whats the pam password format when set to md5 (default) |
| 19:34.42 | scientes | crammd5 digestmd5 or plainmd5 |
| 19:35.07 | karsten | EugenMayer_: http://zer0.org/procmail/mini-faq.html and read cache |
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| 19:37.16 | karsten | scientes: check /etc/pam/d/passwd. You probably need to find out what common-o\password entails |
| 19:37.16 | phet | Hello, what do I need in order to work with qt? I'm in xfce |
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| 19:37.38 | karsten | scientes: I see: password [success=1 default=ignore] pam_unix.so obscure sha512 |
| 19:37.55 | plee | phet, as in programing in qt? |
| 19:37.58 | karsten | scientes: Which suggests a sha512 algorithm, but I;m just reporting what I see. |
| 19:38.11 | scientes | mine is password required pam_unix.so nullok md5 |
| 19:38.15 | karsten | EugenMayer_: You squared away then? |
| 19:38.29 | scientes | and is a pretty much standard lenny install |
| 19:38.31 | EugenMayer_ | karsten: iam reading what you gave me :) |
| 19:38.34 | karsten | euYou can also enable procmail logging and digesting, to various levels, to track what's going on. |
| 19:38.43 | karsten | EugenMayer_: *good* :) |
| 19:38.55 | phet | plee, yes, just programming in qt |
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| 19:39.09 | EugenMayer_ | karsten: a lot of great input. Yet i cant see a file used for header-cache. Anyway to switch procmail to verbose? |
| 19:39.25 | karsten | EugenMayer_: man procmail procmailrc procmailex (I think) for more info |
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| 19:39.58 | linuxguy | who wrote the wiki ffro nvidia graphics cards? |
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| 19:40.31 | karsten | EugenMayer_: It's only used if defined in your .orcimailrc. I used the set of recipies set up by one of Linus's buddies, was available for a while as "spam-filter" package. Nice set of rules |
| 19:40.36 | plee | phet, you could start with the qt4-dev-tools |
| 19:40.52 | scientes | i was just interested in authenticating without sending passwords |
| 19:40.53 | plee | phet, I'm not into qt myself so... |
| 19:41.08 | phet | I also need "qmake", Im trying it in aptitude but it returns me a lot of packages |
| 19:41.22 | phet | libqt4-opengl libqt4-assistant libqt4-test libqt4-dbus libqt4-qt3support avidemux-qt libqtcore4 libqt4-sql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqt4-network |
| 19:41.22 | phet | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.29 | phet | I just wrote "aptitude install qt" |
| 19:41.31 | phet | sorry |
| 19:41.42 | karsten | EugenMayer_: procmail, procmailrc, procmailsc (scoring), and procmailex (examples). They're excellent manpages, a bit daunting at first, but with that and the FAQ you'll be cooking on gas. |
| 19:41.57 | cgibin | does debian comes with blf.so? |
| 19:42.15 | karsten | scientes: ssh public-key authentication? |
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| 19:42.24 | scientes | for imap |
| 19:42.28 | karsten | scientes: Or local login w/o password? |
| 19:42.37 | karsten | scientes: Try writing |
| 19:42.40 | scientes | now has-based |
| 19:42.41 | karsten | scientes: a complete |
| 19:42.44 | scientes | lol |
| 19:42.52 | karsten | scientes: sentence. And question. On one line. Pleas |
| 19:43.15 | karsten | !tell cgibin about search |
| 19:43.17 | scientes | imap authentication, hash based |
| 19:43.20 | EugenMayer_ | karsten: thank you a _lot_! |
| 19:43.28 | karsten | EugenMayer_: NP |
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| 19:43.45 | plee | phet, heh. yeah there is alot of packages :) but apt-get install qt4-qmake installs just qmake :) |
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| 19:44.45 | phet | plee it finds nothing with that name :( |
| 19:44.50 | Hazelesque | Hey, I can't seem to install mplayer on lenny amd64 |
| 19:44.57 | Hazelesque | (from the debian repository) |
| 19:45.04 | tom760 | i downloaded an old debian that is multiple cd ISO's. would it be easy to convert to a DVD image? is it just a matter of extracting all ISO's to a folder and making sure I add the boot sector to the burn? |
| 19:45.05 | Hazelesque | I get a bunch of uninstallable packages |
| 19:45.07 | Hazelesque | http://qwerty.pastebin.com/m6a39a246 |
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| 19:45.52 | karsten | tom760: What are you trying to do and why are you jumping through hoops to do it? |
| 19:46.00 | plee | phet, maybe it's my non-free in apt :) |
| 19:46.32 | tom760 | karsten: i was just about to burn some cdrs and saw i don't have many. i wondered if it would be quick to burn 1 dvd instead of 7 cds |
| 19:46.49 | karsten | tom760: Do a netinstall. |
| 19:46.49 | cgibin | why is it upon typing su in any user that command works. how can i make it so that su command only uses 1 user.. i know about sudo i m not trying to use sudo |
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| 19:47.14 | karsten | tom760: Unless you''re collecting old Debian install media, in which case your question really isn't very interesting. |
| 19:47.22 | Fah | the netinstall image is very small and you only need one disc |
| 19:47.30 | tom760 | karsten: good idea. does that use ftp or what? |
| 19:47.36 | karsten | cgibin: Are you a member of the "wheel": group? |
| 19:47.41 | axolx | hey guys -- im on etch. i want to install php so i can connect to a mysql DB on another server. i think i need the package php5-mysql for the drivers, but that package also installs mysql, which i dont need since the DB is on another server. how can i install just the drivers but no the mysql server? |
| 19:47.44 | cgibin | i asign a wheel user on unix i m not sure how i can do it on deiban. again do i need to work with etc/pam.d/su |
| 19:47.49 | karsten | !tell tom760 about netinst |
| 19:48.29 | tom760 | will that still work with debian 3.0? |
| 19:48.39 | Fah | it uses anything apt supports. You probably want the ftp/http support |
| 19:48.57 | karsten | cgibin: IIRC that's a specific property of the wheel group, controlled mysteriously somewhere else. 'su' *should* prompt for a password (root's) always. I prefer sudo as should you. |
| 19:49.10 | phet | can anyone point me an example of a sources.list with testing? I feel mine is outdated |
| 19:49.39 | Fah | 3.0 does support apt-get, but its ancient. why install it? |
| 19:49.47 | cgibin | karsten, the thing is any user does su that command line works.. i like only 1 user to do su other will say its not a su member to use the su |
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| 19:50.09 | tom760 | Fah: just trying to test something that was released back when that was the latest debian |
| 19:50.12 | karsten | cgibin: Um. That's wrong. |
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| 19:50.24 | Fah | tom760: you should probably be fine. |
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| 19:50.37 | tom760 | k. thanks guys |
| 19:50.37 | kimrhh | any apt repositories with vmware packages? |
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| 19:50.51 | karsten | tom760: What Fah said, I guess. |
| 19:51.03 | karsten | !tell kimrhh about vmware |
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| 19:51.50 | kimrhh | karsten: well i could guess that, but there could be unofficial ones |
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| 19:52.12 | karsten | kimrhh: You could guess what? |
| 19:52.15 | kimrhh | there have been at least |
| 19:52.24 | kimrhh | karsten: that it's not supported by Debian |
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| 19:53.03 | cgibin | i just made a user upon doing su that user has access to the su command |
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| 19:53.16 | karsten | kimrhh: Read the factoid. Ask VMWare if you have questions about their product. The #vmware channel here is *not* official VMWare support FYI. |
| 19:53.24 | EugenMayer_ | karsten: now i have mails left in /var/mail/myuser....how to get them out there |
| 19:53.31 | kimrhh | karsten: what? |
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| 19:53.45 | kimrhh | it has nothing to do with vmware |
| 19:53.50 | kimrhh | nvm |
| 19:53.52 | karsten | EugenMayer_: If you're satisfied that they're moved to where you want them, delete ;em. |
| 19:53.52 | feld | so i have a debian lenny install (upgrade from etch) and i cant get postgres to play nice. it doesnt create all the config files even if i purge the packages and then put them back on. there literalyl is no /etc/postgres/8.3/.... |
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| 19:54.40 | karsten | adds the fact that vmware "has nothing to do with vmware" to his vast collection of useless trivia. |
| 19:54.47 | EugenMayer_ | karsten: they got not moved, because i had a missing rule in my procmailrc. i added the rule but its still there |
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| 19:54.59 | karsten | EugenMayer_: Check your message cache. |
| 19:55.04 | karsten | EugenMayer_: ... if you have one. |
| 19:55.26 | karsten | EugenMayer_: You can also test for message-ID headers (not surefire, but pretty good), to see if the messages have been appropriately processed. |
| 19:55.32 | Hazelesque | so, is mplayer broken on debian lenny amd64? |
| 19:55.50 | karsten | EugenMayer_: I like doing cleanup in mutt which has a duplicate-message tagging feature, allowing you to delete dupes. |
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| 19:56.46 | EugenMayer_ | karsten: in the FAQ you gave me the tell me, which dir is used for the cache, but how is the file named? |
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| 19:57.32 | karsten | EugenMayer_: I think it's either a collection of files or one big file with the messegeIDs hashed into it. I don't recall which |
| 19:57.39 | ces200 | hi, can u help me, W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 <-- how can i do ? |
| 19:57.54 | karsten | EugenMayer_: Either way, clear out the directory (delete any files in it, but don;t delete the directory itself) and you're good. |
| 19:57.59 | cgibin | any ideas? |
| 19:58.33 | jelly | Hazelesque: pastebin "apt-cache policy mplayer" |
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| 19:59.09 | karsten | ces200: You need the package key. Looking for the factoid on that... |
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| 19:59.17 | Hazelesque | jelly: http://qwerty.pastebin.com/m5f76fa69 |
| 19:59.45 | ces200 | whereis package key |
| 19:59.54 | ces200 | i dont understand |
| 20:00.01 | Hazelesque | hmm |
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| 20:00.09 | Hazelesque | I get the feeling my pin preferences may need updating |
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| 20:01.22 | jelly | a feeling not entirely unreasonable. |
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| 20:01.55 | Hazelesque | jelly: OK, the pin preferences were borked :) |
| 20:02.12 | karsten | ces200: Debian package lists are signed. There are a set of keys for this. The keys need to be locally imported. |
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| 20:02.52 | karsten | ces200: I've remembered and forgotten how to do this several times in my life |
| 20:02.59 | Hazelesque | jelly: http://qwerty.pastebin.com/d6ebd861a < the pin preferences I was using |
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| 20:03.09 | vadmeste | hi.. how can I verify that I upgraded properly to squezze ? and why gnome is still not emerged to 2.24 ? |
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| 20:03.19 | ces200 | gpg --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg --list-key A70DAF536070D3A1 ? |
| 20:03.26 | karsten | ces200: I'm currently in one of the "I've forgotten" phases. |
| 20:03.53 | Hazelesque | jelly: I was previously using mplayer in a sid chroot, but it was crashing whilst trying to play flac files |
| 20:04.00 | Hazelesque | so I thought I'd see what the version in lenny was like |
| 20:04.16 | cgibin | how do i disable other users who does su. any all the users in the system when they do su that command works for them. |
| 20:04.42 | craigevil | vadmeste: gnome 2.24 is still in exp parts of it have been slowly moving into sid |
| 20:04.54 | mns | I seem to have a high load on my system. Anyone know how I can track this down ? Anything else besides top ? |
| 20:05.00 | Hazelesque | MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: init_audio_codec |
| 20:05.01 | Hazelesque | - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM. |
| 20:05.19 | Hazelesque | tears at her hair, and contemplates converting them to something else |
| 20:05.31 | clars | I wanna make sure that the client get the samme local_IP address frome the DHCProuter when connecting - but What to write in /etc7network/interfaces ? |
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| 20:05.38 | vadmeste | craigevil, hmm so SID is not that bad ? |
| 20:05.58 | jelly | Hazelesque: interesting you're using the distribution build of mplayer. Most people give up and use the one from debian-multimedia |
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| 20:06.16 | craigevil | vadmeste: depends on what you mean by bad, upgrade yesterday broke things in gnome |
| 20:06.19 | jelly | Hazelesque: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 20:06.58 | Hazelesque | jelly: I |
| 20:07.07 | Hazelesque | 'm aware of the debian-multimedia build of mplaer |
| 20:07.09 | Hazelesque | mplayer* |
| 20:07.10 | jelly | hit enter too often? |
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| 20:07.17 | jelly | ah. |
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| 20:07.26 | Hazelesque | and it was what I was using in the sid chroot |
| 20:07.58 | albacker | Hello everyone. does the latest debian work good with ATI graphic card ? ( i use ubuntu ) |
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| 20:08.20 | Hazelesque | but I've also had problems with cmarillat's package versioning |
| 20:08.41 | Hazelesque | and when I was trying to use, uh, libavformat-dev, I think |
| 20:08.57 | Hazelesque | and concluded that cmarillat's packages are a bit flaky |
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| 20:09.18 | icebrain | albacker: my lenny worked fine with both "ati" open source driver and fglrx, official driver, even in 3D games |
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| 20:12.11 | HazardX | So, if I've got a package that I want to install (in a .deb), but I don't want to install it to root, lets say its to be installed in /tmp/test (as if it were the real system, dependencies and all), how would I do so? |
| 20:12.27 | MaQuiche | hi, i'm trying to underclock my laptop's cpu (amd turion 64 ML-30). i am under debian 5 and i tried the cpufreq widget but it seems like the cpu is not recognized. i'm looking for another way to underclock it. thanks for the help |
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| 20:12.47 | linuxguy | craigevil, remember alst nite, you told me about H2's way of installing nvidia drivers aand it seemed to work??? |
| 20:13.04 | HazardX | MaQuiche, you sure that the system has loaded a cpufreq driver/module to support your mainboard/CPU? |
| 20:13.12 | craigevil | linuxguy: sure ive never seen it not work |
| 20:13.17 | Hazelesque | scowls at the cisco aironet 1200-series web admin interface |
| 20:14.07 | thedave | does anyone have experience with installing debian to a flash disc or usb pen drive? How long does the drive last before you need to buy a new one? |
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| 20:16.04 | linuxguy | craigevil, well to an extent it did, screensavers work fine now, not choppy like before, but Im still missing a few things, 1 glx isnt working, 2 flash isnt either, 3 i cant change the resolution, 4 the xorg.file is very sparce, like theres no modules etc, any ideas how i can correct these probs please? |
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| 20:16.19 | MaQuiche | HazardX, i checked with lsmod and i don't think so. |
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| 20:16.35 | craigevil | linuxguy: run the nvidia-config app |
| 20:16.46 | linuxguy | aaaaas root? |
| 20:16.59 | HazardX | MaQuiche, there's a config tool that's part of cpufreq-something (or something very similar to that in the package list) that will check and try to load it for you |
| 20:17.27 | MaQuiche | HazardX, i'll check it out thanks |
| 20:18.01 | linuxguy | craigevil, just tried that said command not found (i typed in nvidia-config) as rot |
| 20:19.04 | HazardX | Anyone know how to get aptitude/apt-get/dpkg install a package (and dependencies) into some arbitrary folder? |
| 20:20.19 | dondelelcaro | HazardX: you don't; use dpkg-deb or similar to unpack them. |
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| 20:22.39 | HazardX | dondelelcaro, no, actually I do. I think dpkg's --root=blah option is what I want, but I'm not familar enough with how dpkg itself works |
| 20:23.10 | EugenMayer_ | for crontabs, in the minut col, */5 would mean every 5 minutes, or? |
| 20:23.19 | Hazelesque | HazardX: or, you could use the dry run option to apt |
| 20:23.23 | dondelelcaro | HazardX: no, you don't. The reason why you don't is because using dpkg to install things like that alters the status database, which also means that you've now got packages installed in to places that aren't normal |
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| 20:23.27 | Hazelesque | then use "ar" to unpack all the packages |
| 20:23.27 | dondelelcaro | HazardX: what exactly ware you trying to do? |
| 20:23.33 | karsten | thedave: It usually lasts untill until it breaks |
| 20:23.44 | dondelelcaro | EugenMayer_: yes. man 5 crontab; for details |
| 20:24.01 | HazardX | dondelelcaro, fix a broken install |
| 20:24.03 | Hazelesque | based on the list that the dry run gave you |
| 20:24.12 | thedave | thanks, that's helpful :) |
| 20:24.16 | dondelelcaro | HazardX: a broken install of what? where? what's the error? |
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| 20:24.39 | HazardX | A buncha stuff in /usr was *erhm* deleted by a...misbehaving script on the machine whose root volume is now connected to another debian box |
| 20:25.05 | HazardX | (and various other places) |
| 20:25.13 | dondelelcaro | HazardX: ok, so your first step is to get dpkg and apt-get working on that partition. |
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| 20:25.45 | dondelelcaro | HazardX: get the dpkg and apt-get debs, then run dpkg-deb -x dpkgfoo.deb /path/to/root; dpkg-deb -x aptfoo.deb /path/to/root; |
| 20:25.57 | dondelelcaro | HazardX: then see if you can chroot /path/to/root; and go from there |
| 20:26.10 | HazardX | Alright, that's what I was looking to do, thankyoumuch. |
| 20:26.49 | dondelelcaro | once you've got them working, you can install everything else from inside the chroot, which is what you really want to do |
| 20:26.53 | rigormrts | i can't install amarok |
| 20:27.01 | dondelelcaro | !tell rigormrts -about bat |
| 20:27.04 | HazardX | dondelelcaro, yes, yes it is :) |
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| 20:28.12 | rigormrts | ? |
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| 20:31.06 | craigevil | linuxguy: take a look at http://paste.debian.net/28830/ thats a friends xrog.conf running debian sid |
| 20:31.19 | dondelelcaro | rigormrts: if you can't install amarok, we need more information. See what dpkg told you, and follow those instructions |
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| 20:34.52 | lifestream | Anyone know how to force laptop fan to turn on? Google isnt being nice to me |
| 20:35.09 | HazardX | lifestream, depends heavily on the laptop |
| 20:35.40 | HazardX | some are wired and its done independantly from the bios/ACPI functions entirely, or at too low a level for the software to instruct in any way |
| 20:36.04 | lifestream | Oh |
| 20:36.14 | lifestream | Learned something today, thanks ^^ |
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| 20:37.18 | Kalleos | I'm trying to deactive my wlancard... it uses eth1 |
| 20:37.38 | Kalleos | but after I type ifdown eth1 following error appears: |
| 20:37.52 | Kalleos | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 20:37.52 | Kalleos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.00 | hulatang | on my new install debian, when I remote ssh into it, after 5 min I will get disconnected, and when I reconnect, the DSA host key changed and I got "WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED" |
| 20:38.38 | Kalleos | after that, continous ifdown eth1 only shows the error: ifdown: interface eth1 not configured |
| 20:38.51 | hulatang | but login at the local machine still works fine |
| 20:39.00 | hulatang | what this could be? |
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| 20:39.23 | Kalleos | so how can I deactivate my wlancard then.. |
| 20:39.25 | Kalleos | ? |
| 20:39.25 | jelly | hulatang: did openssh-server package update in between? |
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| 20:39.56 | hulatang | jelly: no, this happens constantly |
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| 20:40.31 | hulatang | and I'm not running any un official ports |
| 20:40.49 | hulatang | apt-get install update, then apt-get update shows nothing need to be updated |
| 20:40.49 | starbuck11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.00 | jelly | hulatang: which debian release? is the machine on your local network? |
| 20:41.26 | EugenMayer | i would like to install a sambe version < above 3.2.5 ( lenny ) .. because it seem to have some bug with CIFS as client ( ubuntu intrepid ) |
| 20:41.36 | jelly | starbuck11: there's nothing wrong. 5% space is reserved by default. |
| 20:41.38 | HazardX | starbuck11, ext3 reserves space not factoring into the totoal available to your user? |
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| 20:42.14 | starbuck11 | yes, but a difference of 14 Gbyte?? it seems a lot to me |
| 20:42.21 | hulatang | jelly: debian etch stable, this machine has a external IP |
| 20:42.30 | linuxguy | craigevil, ive just looked at that, thanks, my xorg.file is about 20-30 lines long, btw the nvidia-config did not work, nor did nvidia-settings, |
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| 20:42.31 | jelly | starbuck11: 14GB is 5% of 280. |
| 20:42.31 | hulatang | directly connected to internet |
| 20:42.37 | HazardX | starbuck11, what's 5% of 274? |
| 20:42.45 | HazardX | Darn you jelly, you keep beatn' me! |
| 20:42.54 | jelly | HazardX: in your dreams... |
| 20:43.05 | HazardX | Tehehehe. |
| 20:43.06 | starbuck11 | oh, i see , sorry for bothering |
| 20:43.12 | HazardX | no problem. |
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| 20:43.23 | tom760 | if i want to run debian kernel version 2.4.26 what version of debian should i install? i noticed on the current ubuntu i tried to use a kernel not nearly that old and ran into problems. i was thinking i should install debian 3.0. |
| 20:43.28 | Kalleos | nobody understands my problem right? |
| 20:44.44 | Kalleos | (plz ignore the scary grammar) |
| 20:45.42 | icebrain | tom760: why would you want to run 2.4.*? |
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| 20:46.55 | tom760 | icebrain: trying to see if a kernel module worked with the feature i need when it was first released. |
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| 20:47.51 | sfv | i have a pgp encrypted msg, how do i decrypt it? |
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| 20:48.15 | starbuck11 | cool, i resized the reserved space of /home to 1%.. that was easy :) |
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| 20:48.48 | icebrain | tom760: well, woody (3.0) is the last stable to run 2.4.26, afaik |
| 20:49.10 | tom760 | icebrain: k |
| 20:49.25 | MaQuiche | HazardX, i loaded the module powernow-k8 and now my cpu is correctly recognized, and i can underclock it. thanks for the help. :) |
| 20:49.42 | HazardX | MaQuiche, good, glad to have helped :) |
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| 20:49.48 | Kalleos | well I reformulate the question: How the heck can I ifdown eth1? it is my wlancard |
| 20:50.03 | Kalleos | I just want to deactive the wlancard so I have no access to my router via wlan |
| 20:50.23 | Kalleos | ifdown eth1 doesnt work |
| 20:50.24 | icebrain | tom760: maybe Sarge runs well with it, it runed on 2.4.27 |
| 20:50.24 | cahoot | ifdown eth1? |
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| 20:50.34 | Kalleos | i still have connection to the router |
| 20:50.35 | damjan | ip link set down dev eth1 |
| 20:50.37 | UndertakerX2 | I have proftpd running on my vps, I have a valid log in working, i have set the user to owner of /var/www but i get permision errors if i try to upload or delete files in the /var/www direcotrey, how can i fix this? |
| 20:50.41 | r00t_ | Some people believe that germans are a bunch of _fucking_ nazis |
| 20:50.41 | r00t_ | Are they? I don't know. |
| 20:50.41 | r00t_ | But what I do know is that I mock them as they trip over memorials |
| 20:50.41 | r00t_ | and I lobby the local city governments of germany to create more sligtly raised in-pavement memorials for german citizens to trip over |
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| 20:50.48 | hulatang | jelly: can you think of anything about why I have the ssh problem? |
| 20:51.01 | IceD^ | q - how to remove package and it's deps, unused by other packages |
| 20:51.03 | Kalleos | damjan, and then ip link set up dev eth1 for activating? |
| 20:51.06 | hulatang | jelly: should I try uninstall ssh and reinstall it? |
| 20:51.13 | damjan | Kalleos: yes |
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| 20:51.15 | komunista | hallo all |
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| 20:52.11 | Kalleos | but it is not normal to have still connection to the wlan router, after I used ifdown eth1, right? |
| 20:52.32 | jelly | hulatang: that warning appears when the remote host key changes, and your .ssh/known_hosts host key cache already knows about another host key for that host name or that IP address. |
| 20:52.57 | damjan | Kalleos: no, you sure eth1 is the wifi? |
| 20:53.07 | Kalleos | yeah |
| 20:53.07 | jelly | hulatang: oh, and etch is oldstable now. |
| 20:53.12 | Kalleos | pretty sure |
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| 20:54.09 | hulatang | jelly: ah,ok |
| 20:54.28 | Kalleos | But this error appeared one time: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not supported. |
| 20:54.44 | jelly | hulatang: if you had another machine with the same name, or the same IP, and sshed to it from your client, that error would appear when the new machine was used instead. |
| 20:54.53 | Kalleos | well if you got no idea, i try the ip link set down eth1 command |
| 20:55.15 | jelly | hulatang: if you remove the mentioned line from .ssh/known_hosts, the warning should disappear. |
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| 20:55.43 | r00t_ | Some people believe that germans are a bunch of _fucking_ nazis |
| 20:55.44 | r00t_ | Are they? I don't know. |
| 20:55.44 | r00t_ | But what I do know is that I mock them as they trip over memorials |
| 20:55.44 | r00t_ | and I lobby the local city governments of germany to create more sligtly raised in-pavement memorials for german citizens to trip over |
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| 20:55.52 | r00t_ | Also they can't just paint over a raised memorial "accidently" as germans are want to do. |
| 20:55.53 | hulatang | jelly: but it comes back after 5 min or so, and I could not login from ssh even after remove that with 'ssh-keygen -R IPADDRESS' |
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| 20:56.06 | hulatang | jelly: it will work again unless I login from local terminal |
| 20:56.09 | r00t_ | person: fuck you nazi |
| 20:56.29 | person | r00t_: Excuse me, sir, but have you gone absolutely bonkers mad? |
| 20:56.40 | HazardX | I think he has. |
| 20:56.51 | jelly | !ops r00t_ trolling |
| 20:56.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: r00t_ trolling |
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| 20:57.01 | komunista | please, i have recompiled kernel and iptables package with layer7 support, added the xtables-addons |
| 20:57.01 | komunista | the debian lenny box is the bridge and it works OK, but i can not use the addrtype match: |
| 20:57.01 | komunista | iptables -A FORWARD -m addrtype --dst-type BROADCAST -j DROP |
| 20:57.01 | komunista | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 20:57.01 | komunista | can someone help me, please? |
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| 20:57.31 | jelly | thanks in advance, amphi ;-) |
| 20:57.52 | jelly | hey you're not in the list. |
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| 20:58.59 | amphi | the list? |
| 20:59.03 | jelly | of ops. |
| 20:59.14 | jelly | in cmd: ops |
| 20:59.15 | amphi | no |
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| 20:59.28 | RyoumaEchizen | hello everybody i had deinstalled wpasupplicant and now i installed it again but no wlan device is found |
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| 20:59.44 | RyoumaEchizen | anybody know what to do? |
| 21:00.05 | damjan | deinstalling and installing doesn't solve any problmes |
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| 21:00.35 | komunista | please, i have recompiled kernel and iptables package with layer7 support |
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| 21:00.54 | IceD^ | so - no way to remove unneded packages in this `best` distro? |
| 21:00.57 | jelly | hulatang: is the machine on the same network segment as the client you're using to connect to it? |
| 21:01.13 | komunista | but i can not use the addrtype match extension to DROP the BROACASTs |
| 21:01.15 | Jemt | IceD^: Sure, aptitude remove |
| 21:01.16 | HazardX | IceD^ there's a program that tries to guess |
| 21:01.18 | RyoumaEchizen | damjang i know but it doesn't help me now |
| 21:01.24 | HazardX | (several in fact) |
| 21:01.25 | Kalleos | test |
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| 21:01.40 | komunista | with message – iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 21:01.41 | hulatang | jelly: yes |
| 21:01.48 | BearDK | how do I make a static resolv.conf file on Debian? (So it's not deleted every time by dhcpclient) |
| 21:01.52 | IceD^ | yeah, yeah |
| 21:01.58 | IceD^ | I just installed ejabberd |
| 21:02.06 | IceD^ | which installed several dep packages |
| 21:02.11 | RyoumaEchizen | damjang i need to know what packages i need for a working wlan |
| 21:02.14 | IceD^ | now I'd like to remove it |
| 21:02.23 | IceD^ | and it removes ONLY ejabberd, no deps |
| 21:02.24 | IceD^ | wtf |
| 21:02.29 | damjan | komunista: "addrtype" ? you need to have both the kernel module and iptables module for that I guess |
| 21:02.30 | Jemt | IceD^: Then remove the package you installed. Did you install it using aptitude ? |
| 21:02.49 | IceD^ | Jemt: via apt-get |
| 21:02.49 | jelly | hulatang: can you check that its /etc/ssh/ssh_host* files didn't actually change? Is it possible you're having more than one machine competing for the same IP address? |
| 21:02.51 | damjan | RyoumaEchizen: what kind of wifi card do you have |
| 21:03.00 | Jemt | IceD^: You should use Aptitude. Apt-get dosn't do clean up |
| 21:03.15 | Jemt | !tell IceD^ why aptitude |
| 21:03.18 | IceD^ | aptitude remove doesn't do it either |
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| 21:03.21 | RyoumaEchizen | damjan rt73 |
| 21:03.38 | jelly | IceD^: if you'd used aptitude when installing in the first place, it would |
| 21:03.39 | Jemt | !tell IceD^ about why aptitude |
| 21:03.47 | damjan | RyoumaEchizen: did you load the driver? |
| 21:03.50 | IceD^ | so, after installing package using apt-get, I left out with sh*t in my system |
| 21:03.51 | komunista | damjan: i use the lenny .config to configure the kernel (make oldconfig) |
| 21:03.51 | IceD^ | nice |
| 21:03.59 | jelly | IceD^: correct. |
| 21:04.00 | komunista | need i some extra steps? |
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| 21:04.11 | RyoumaEchizen | how can i load the driver? |
| 21:04.20 | RyoumaEchizen | i thought it would load automaticly |
| 21:04.21 | peppe | komunista: did you compiled the kernel module and the iptables module for addrtype matching? |
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| 21:04.44 | IceD^ | and apt-get even didn't warn you `this silly programm will create slackware here right now` |
| 21:04.53 | damjan | RyoumaEchizen: it should, check with "lsmod" |
| 21:05.04 | damjan | komunista: you'd have to check |
| 21:05.13 | peppe | IceD^: aptitude is the recommended frontend for apt since a while |
| 21:05.15 | jelly | IceD^: oh noes! |
| 21:05.25 | Jemt | IceD^: For fucks sake, give it a rest. Apt-get is used for some operations, aptitude for others. It's your own damn fault that you don't use the tools right |
| 21:05.27 | damjan | komunista: does "iptables -m addrtype --help |
| 21:05.33 | damjan | ... work? |
| 21:05.49 | Jemt | IceD^: Feel free to ask for help, but don't give us that attitude |
| 21:05.50 | komunista | damjan: yes, it works |
| 21:06.01 | jelly | IceD^: if you didn't whine as much, I might have told you about deborphan or debfoster, but now I won't. |
| 21:06.17 | RyoumaEchizen | damjan ls mod gives me a lot of lines with rt73 |
| 21:06.41 | IceD^ | I have opened man apt-get and it doesn't tell me that I SHOULD use aptitude |
| 21:07.09 | damjan | komunista: are you sure addrtype can be used in FORWARD? |
| 21:07.11 | peppe | and if you open man dpkg it doesn't tell you that you shoulde use apt |
| 21:07.19 | damjan | RyoumaEchizen: what does "iwconfig" say? |
| 21:07.25 | Jemt | IceD^: How on earth should apt-get know what you want to do ? |
| 21:07.36 | komunista | damjan: i do not know, but it is on the bridge box |
| 21:07.39 | RyoumaEchizen | yes there is a wlan0 to see with rt73 |
| 21:07.42 | HazardX | IceD^: That's like saying you didn't buy a car because the gas station didn't SAY you needed one to use the gas. |
| 21:07.47 | node357 | blaming people for not having information that is not up-front. that's not nice |
| 21:07.52 | IceD^ | HazardX: no way |
| 21:07.55 | hark | IceD^: try apt-get autoremove |
| 21:08.00 | tarzeau | Jemt: it's got the super cow powers? |
| 21:08.02 | damjan | RyoumaEchizen: ok, so what's the problem :) |
| 21:08.03 | HazardX | (given you can use gas for other things, but that's besides the point) |
| 21:08.10 | IceD^ | hark: debian 4.0 here |
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| 21:08.23 | damjan | komunista: bridge box? |
| 21:08.32 | IceD^ | and no way to upgrade for several reasons |
| 21:08.35 | jelly | IceD^: perhaps you should read the release notes for your OS. /msg dpkg release notes, /msg dpkg etch release notes |
| 21:08.48 | tarzeau | yuck i seriously can't understand how people can live with that old software (debian 4.0) |
| 21:08.51 | RyoumaEchizen | damjan i think i made a big mistake let's check this out |
| 21:08.57 | komunista | damjan: yes, two interfaces in the bridge |
| 21:09.03 | HazardX | no way to upgrade what? |
| 21:09.07 | tarzeau | i even get stuck with old crap in sid/experimental, forcing me to build stuff on my own |
| 21:09.18 | IceD^ | of course not, this server will be replaced by sane distro when I'll get some free time to spare |
| 21:09.24 | jelly | tarzeau: it almost makes me want to upgrade this woody box at work right now. |
| 21:09.43 | damjan | komunista: bridge has nothing to do with iptables |
| 21:09.59 | komunista | damjan, it has |
| 21:10.01 | damjan | komunista: what exactly do you want to do |
| 21:10.03 | HazardX | If you're talking about how aptitude is now marking everything to be removed, you can fix it, you'll just have to mark everything currently installed as installed, then it won't try to remove it (given it'll leave stuff a little kludgey since anything CURRENTLY installed won't get autoremoved because things which depeneded on it get removed) |
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| 21:10.15 | HazardX | ^@ IceD^ |
| 21:10.17 | IceD^ | actually, I have almost full xorg installed on this server (via some dep) |
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| 21:10.49 | komunista | damjan, my english is too bad for detailed discusion, but i need the transparent FW |
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| 21:10.58 | IceD^ | and something tells me that I have no way to even check which packages depends on them :) |
| 21:10.59 | hark | IceD^: yeah, from lenny onwards you can use either and can get rid of uneeded dependencies. for etch, deborphan/debfoster i guess. |
| 21:11.06 | HazardX | (but switching to use aptitude *now* will make your dependency mess fix-up easier) |
| 21:11.17 | damjan | komunista: AFAIK you need ebtables for that? |
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| 21:11.29 | HazardX | IceD^ use aptitude, its smarter (and can tell you without having to issue lots of commands) |
| 21:12.20 | komunista | damjan: this http://jengelh.medozas.de/images/nf-packet-flow.png works |
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| 21:13.11 | damjan | komunista: ok, and? |
| 21:13.46 | komunista | damjan: packets are going to the FORWARD chain |
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| 21:14.14 | komunista | only addrdtype do not works |
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| 21:14.52 | komunista | is possible, don not match addrtype BROADCAST on bridge? |
| 21:14.54 | damjan | komunista: AFAIK packets don't go to the FORWARD chain of iptables from two interfaces in a bridge |
| 21:15.07 | damjan | .. they go to the FORWARD chain of ebtables |
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| 21:15.35 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 21:15.43 | KomiaPoika | how can i reconfigure the login manager to use kdm |
| 21:15.44 | komunista | iptables -L FORWARD -v |
| 21:15.44 | komunista | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 701 packets, 51273 bytes) |
| 21:15.44 | komunista | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.18 | damjan | ... hmm .. unless you enable brouting, |
| 21:16.30 | komunista | i do not have brouting |
| 21:17.02 | komunista | and i have: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:17.02 | komunista | 0 |
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| 21:17.57 | mcknin | Question: I do not have a separate mount for my root "/" directory (only one for /boot and swap)... I want to change fstab to add ACL to '/', but I am afraid of messing something up. Can someone suggest to me a back up plan? IE: If I change fstab and reboot and it does not work, how can I recover? |
| 21:18.23 | HazardX | mcknin, what kind of ACL? |
| 21:18.33 | HazardX | just the ext3 ACL mount option? |
| 21:19.07 | damjan | komunista: maybe read this http://ebtables.sourceforge.net/br_fw_ia/br_fw_ia.html |
| 21:22.52 | komunista | damjan: aj read this |
| 21:22.56 | komunista | 5. Chain traversal for bridged IP packets |
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| 21:23.24 | Cpudan80 | Hello folks |
| 21:23.35 | Cpudan80 | Does debian 5 have a graphical boot splash? |
| 21:23.46 | Cpudan80 | or is just the itemized list of things going on...? |
| 21:24.09 | komunista | Therefore all iptables chains will be traversed while the IP packet is in the bridge code... |
| 21:24.11 | Maulkin | Cpudan80: install 'usplash' |
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| 21:24.23 | Cpudan80 | Maulkin: it's a package now? |
| 21:24.30 | komunista | damjan: all work as expected with stadard extensions |
| 21:24.32 | Cpudan80 | no having to recompile the kernel ? |
| 21:24.34 | Maulkin | Cpudan80: Yup, |
| 21:24.36 | Cpudan80 | awesome! |
| 21:24.38 | Cpudan80 | thanks |
| 21:24.42 | Maulkin | No worries |
| 21:24.48 | Maulkin | Or bootsplash |
| 21:24.54 | Maulkin | It's called something |
| 21:25.00 | komunista | only problem i have with addrtype |
| 21:25.02 | Cpudan80 | ok I'll figure it out |
| 21:25.06 | Cpudan80 | no worries |
| 21:25.22 | Maulkin | ahh, yes. usplash. Should pull in usplash-theme-debian |
| 21:25.58 | komunista | damjan: do you know where iptables (or netfilter) gets the broadcast address? |
| 21:26.15 | Cpudan80 | You just need CD1 to install right? |
| 21:26.23 | komunista | damjan: from address/mask of the real interface? |
| 21:26.34 | kingsley | Which command, if any, tells you if a certain URL is currently streaming ogg-vorbis? |
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| 21:27.38 | komunista | but eth0 nor eth1 do not have real IP address, only bridge iface |
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| 21:28.23 | komunista | damjan: is possible that problem is here? |
| 21:28.35 | damjan | that's normal |
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| 21:29.42 | komunista | damjan: i know it, but i do not know how is broadcast identicated (my bad english...) by this extension |
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| 21:30.53 | damjan | komunista: I think addrtype can be only applied on INPUT |
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| 21:31.11 | komunista | i try INPUT now, moment |
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| 21:31.42 | KomiaPoika | how can i set gcc compiler to 4.3 instead of 4.1? both are installed |
| 21:31.52 | komunista | no, the same output |
| 21:32.19 | damjan | and with iptables you can only do it on the br0 interface |
| 21:33.15 | damjan | komunista: I really think you need to use ebtables.. but I've never used it... so .. I dont know if I can help you more |
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| 21:33.27 | komunista | damjan: thank you |
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| 21:35.26 | karsten | dondelelcaro: bat == basic apt troubleshooting? |
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| 21:36.02 | JyZyXEL | god damn why doesn't cfdisk ever work with USB thumb drives |
| 21:36.06 | JyZyXEL | its always like "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder" |
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| 21:36.15 | JyZyXEL | and fdisk works just fine |
| 21:36.21 | karsten | JyZyXEL: real men use fdisk ;-) |
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| 21:36.26 | JyZyXEL | fdisk sucks |
| 21:36.37 | karsten | JyZyXEL: But it works. |
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| 21:36.43 | JyZyXEL | but it sucks |
| 21:36.51 | karsten | JyZyXEL: I guess, that's a new definition of suckitude: working. |
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| 21:36.55 | karsten | JyZyXEL: It sucks less ;-) |
| 21:37.16 | JyZyXEL | the UI is fukken fail |
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| 21:40.07 | mat7i | hello, i need some informatin about kernels, we have 2.4 and 2.6 which should I use for Proxy server with www+apache+squid+mail |
| 21:40.47 | Maulkin | 2.6 in Debian |
| 21:41.52 | ameyer | thought 2.4 didn't work anymore in Debian |
| 21:42.23 | ameyer | and when Debian drops support for something, you know it's really outdated... |
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| 21:42.55 | Hydroxide | ameyer: in the current stable release, I believe it doesn't work any more, correct |
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| 21:43.43 | Hydroxide | ameyer: in etch (a.k.a. oldstable) which still is getting security fixes for roughly one more year, it does still work, but there's no reason to start something new with etch in the absence of a specific reason to do so |
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| 21:44.59 | mat7i | ok tahk you very much :) |
| 21:45.03 | ameyer | I thought that was the case. |
| 21:45.20 | ameyer | but, for what it's worth, my point still mostly stands |
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| 21:46.19 | Hydroxide | nods at ameyer |
| 21:47.14 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yerp |
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| 21:50.11 | sebo | sa |
| 21:51.29 | sebo | bu ne yahu |
| 21:51.41 | jpinx | ekiga is a gnome offering of a voip solution - is there a free one not tied to gnome or KDE? |
| 21:51.58 | HeXiLeD | jpinx lote more like linphone |
| 21:52.01 | HeXiLeD | or mindsip |
| 21:52.21 | HeXiLeD | check wikipedia for a voip software comparison |
| 21:52.23 | starbuck11 | how can i disable some user to see other users homes or /etc for example? he must see only his own /home dir |
| 21:52.31 | jpinx | HeXiLeD: ok - thanks |
| 21:52.40 | HeXiLeD | i have ekiga and i dont have gnome. |
| 21:52.47 | dondelelcaro | starbuck11: they must also access parts of /etc too |
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| 21:53.28 | starbuck11 | dondelelcaro, yes but not the other users home dirs... |
| 21:53.30 | jpinx | HeXiLeD: yes - I know that's possible, but i believe ekiga brings in a lot of gnome pkgs when installed. I'm trying to be as lightweight as possible |
| 21:53.31 | mns | jpinx: Doesn't pidgin/gaim have support for VoIP ? |
| 21:53.52 | HeXiLeD | jpinx compile from source |
| 21:53.56 | jpinx | mns: I need pots connections too |
| 21:54.04 | mns | ahh ok |
| 21:54.07 | HeXiLeD | mns as far as i know they want to do it . |
| 21:54.30 | mns | HeXiLeD: I thought they'd already done it. |
| 21:54.35 | mns | my mistake. |
| 21:54.38 | jpinx | HeXiLeD: pidgin wants to do pots connections? |
| 21:54.48 | HeXiLeD | humm.. lemme check |
| 21:54.53 | HeXiLeD | "pots" |
| 21:54.55 | HeXiLeD | ? |
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| 21:55.04 | jpinx | plain old telephone system |
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| 21:55.21 | HeXiLeD | dont know |
| 21:56.22 | HeXiLeD | my pidgin has nothing about voip |
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| 21:57.54 | HeXiLeD | jpinx i would go for linphone or mindsip ( allows encryption ) |
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| 21:58.30 | karsten | dondelelcaro: tx |
| 21:58.37 | dondelelcaro | starbuck11: if other users don't want people to see their home directories, they can set their permissions appropriately |
| 21:58.39 | jpinx | hmmm - 0k -- encryption isn't a biggie - it's only the girlfriend ;) |
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| 21:59.04 | HeXiLeD | go with linphone |
| 21:59.05 | jpinx | looks for linphone |
| 21:59.13 | karsten | jpinx: To our girlfriends and our wives ... |
| 21:59.19 | karsten | jpinx: ... and may they never meet. |
| 21:59.33 | HeXiLeD | and avoide voip/phone sex |
| 21:59.38 | HeXiLeD | *avoid |
| 21:59.42 | jpinx | karsten: hehe |
| 21:59.50 | icebrain | starbuck11: chmod a-r /home/* |
| 22:00.02 | karsten | HeXiLeD: Clearly there's a need for a SOIP. |
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| 22:00.07 | jpinx | s/girlfriend/wife |
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| 22:00.18 | Pred2k5 | hi, how to install /dev/crypto ? |
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| 22:00.24 | karsten | s/wife/cat/ |
| 22:00.25 | HeXiLeD | lol |
| 22:00.29 | jelly | karsten: IPoS? |
| 22:00.43 | HeXiLeD | ;p; |
| 22:00.44 | HeXiLeD | lol |
| 22:00.46 | karsten | jelly: Beware the dropped packet phenomenon. |
| 22:00.49 | jpinx | karsten: wtf is SOIP - sound like bad soup ;) |
| 22:00.59 | HeXiLeD | lolol |
| 22:01.03 | HeXiLeD | sex over ip |
| 22:01.12 | karsten | jpinx: Sex ovrer IP Protocol |
| 22:01.14 | jpinx | heh |
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| 22:01.24 | jelly | maybe he meant it were StabbingInTheEye over IP. |
| 22:02.04 | karsten | jpinx: Better, it's already "storage over IP", so you can claim to be talking shop |
| 22:02.09 | karsten | jelly: That's IFSP |
| 22:02.17 | karsten | jelly: The Internet Face Stab Protocol |
| 22:02.18 | ameyer | stupidity over ip? sodomy over ip? sound over ip? soup over ip? |
| 22:02.42 | ameyer | $ over ip? |
| 22:02.59 | karsten | ameyer: PROFIT! |
| 22:03.28 | jpinx | I've lost the scrollback with all this NoIP (Nonsense over IP) what was the other one apart from linphone? |
| 22:03.50 | mns | 15 hours and counting to transfer using tar from an internal laptop drive to a directly connected USB external drive ... amount of data: 60-70GB. |
| 22:04.01 | karsten | jpinx: mindsip |
| 22:04.08 | jpinx | karsten: ta |
| 22:04.08 | mns | And this is using USB2 |
| 22:04.35 | karsten | mns: Um. Sounds like a possible drive failure? |
| 22:04.41 | jpinx | mns: did you consider using squashfs and then transferring? |
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| 22:04.58 | karsten | mns: Anything interesting in /var/log/mesages? What's iostat and/or vmstat tell you? |
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| 22:05.15 | zeno | lenny on mah phone woo :) |
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| 22:05.31 | mns | karsten: don't know. its in single user mode and I can't login on any other console .. |
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| 22:06.09 | mns | I can see its doing things .. the drive is chugging away and the 'v' option to tar is rattling off the names of the files onto the screen pretty quickly .. |
| 22:06.16 | mns | I just didn't think it would be this sloooooww |
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| 22:06.33 | richard | hello |
| 22:06.39 | richard | ello, I start using Linux 6 months ago, they recommend me to start with Ubuntu that's what I did. Now that I am more familiar with Linux and I know at least the basics, I would like to try Debian. |
| 22:06.40 | mns | brb |
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| 22:08.45 | dkr | nice of richard to let us know |
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| 22:10.28 | DragoraN | why does lenny installer gets stucked on 33% when creating filesystem? |
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| 22:11.15 | ktwilight | DragoraN, which fs? |
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| 22:11.28 | DragoraN | ktwilight: ext3 |
| 22:11.39 | ktwilight | what type of disk? |
| 22:11.53 | DragoraN | ktwilight: scsi (hp smart array logical disk) |
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| 22:12.25 | ktwilight | does it work before? |
| 22:13.25 | DragoraN | ktwilight: i dont know, i just got the server |
| 22:13.37 | DragoraN | ktwilight: ubuntu installed ok |
| 22:13.41 | DragoraN | ubuntu 8.04 |
| 22:14.01 | ktwilight | could be a driver problem |
| 22:14.10 | ktwilight | not sure what's the diff tbh |
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| 22:14.31 | surlyjake | has anyone heard of plans to make a debian version of mozilla's songbird music player? icebird? |
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| 22:16.39 | mespejel | which is the last stable debian versoin? |
| 22:16.43 | mespejel | 5.0 lenny |
| 22:16.44 | mespejel | ? |
| 22:16.46 | pthichat | yes |
| 22:16.49 | icebrain | hi, I'm running Sid and I have mkfs.ext4 installed, so I made a ext4 fs but then mount doesn't recognize ext4, what should I install? |
| 22:16.51 | mespejel | ok thax |
| 22:17.01 | mespejel | will be supported until when? |
| 22:17.33 | icebrain | mespejel: one year after the current testing gets out as stable |
| 22:18.06 | mespejel | lenny 6.0 is being testing now? |
| 22:18.07 | mespejel | wow |
| 22:18.07 | mespejel | ok |
| 22:18.38 | icebrain | no, it's called squeeze |
| 22:18.43 | icebrain | !squeeze |
| 22:18.43 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
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| 22:19.09 | mespejel | i see thanks |
| 22:19.18 | DeSian | http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze |
| 22:19.28 | mespejel | well i will try lenny 5 in a virtual machine lets see how it runs |
| 22:19.43 | icebrain | lenny = debian 5.0 |
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| 22:19.51 | icebrain | not lenny 5 :P |
| 22:19.54 | mespejel | lol |
| 22:19.55 | mespejel | ok |
| 22:20.03 | jpinx | karsten: I'm unable to find anything on mindsip voip. Do you have a homepage for them? |
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| 22:20.07 | mespejel | where can i get the iso? i dont need to burn the disk |
| 22:20.13 | mespejel | just the iso |
| 22:20.18 | mespejel | im using a vmware |
| 22:20.18 | icebrain | so, doesn't anyone know how to mount ext4 in debian? |
| 22:20.47 | DeSian | !tell mespejel about debian-image |
| 22:20.48 | mespejel | here is the best way? |
| 22:20.50 | mespejel | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 22:22.06 | DeSian | mespejel: Lenny image is her http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:22.13 | mespejel | oh it just come out 5 days ago |
| 22:22.15 | mespejel | wow im lucky |
| 22:22.16 | mespejel | cool |
| 22:22.34 | mespejel | you guys had to wait years lol |
| 22:23.14 | DeSian | mespejel: long testing making more stability ;) |
| 22:23.22 | mespejel | huh? why so many images? |
| 22:23.31 | mespejel | i need to download them all? how this work lol |
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| 22:23.40 | mespejel | when i download an image is always one all together |
| 22:24.28 | DeSian | mespejel: no just one |
| 22:25.32 | mespejel | ok thx |
| 22:25.48 | mespejel | at the end i will decide between fedora, suse, ubuntu or debian.. lol cant have many |
| 22:26.29 | DeSian | not mespejel debian is debian |
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| 22:26.47 | mespejel | oh yes i mean |
| 22:26.52 | DeSian | fior all another disti use Google or Channel search in IRC |
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| 22:27.09 | mespejel | no i mean.. i will try all.. and decide for one |
| 22:27.11 | mespejel | thats what i mean |
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| 22:27.34 | mespejel | well i already try fedora. will take me about 2 weeks to try all and decide i guess |
| 22:27.57 | DeSian | mespejel: u r free, use what you like. |
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| 22:29.31 | mespejel | blueray images? wow! i got to try that! |
| 22:29.34 | icebrain | how can I know to which package belongs a certain binary? |
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| 22:31.23 | linuxguy | mespejel, blueray cds are expensive and so are the cd drives......well the one i have saw were in the UK |
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| 22:33.27 | mespejel | oh man.. :( |
| 22:33.42 | mespejel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.48 | mespejel | crap |
| 22:33.59 | exon_ | mmm is debian a better distribution then ubuntu? |
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| 22:34.32 | amphi | !better |
| 22:34.32 | dpkg | i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 22:34.43 | mespejel | exon this is a debian room so i guess everyone will agree with that |
| 22:34.58 | amphi | !room |
| 22:34.59 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 22:35.01 | karsten | exon_: Depends on whom you ask. Not particularly insight ful here. |
| 22:35.01 | exon_ | :) |
| 22:35.14 | karsten | !tell exon_ about why debian |
| 22:35.17 | sepski | mespejel, i belive there is a patch running around for vmware-config and vmware-config-tools you might need on 5.0 |
| 22:35.24 | sepski | google for it |
| 22:35.51 | mespejel | ok |
| 22:35.52 | mespejel | thanks |
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| 22:36.31 | exon_ | says: ok the foo is better :) |
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| 22:38.10 | KjetilK | what kind of support is there for AMD's R600 cards in Lenny? |
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| 22:38.20 | KjetilK | is thinking about buying one |
| 22:38.35 | ioudas | is wondering about asp.net on a debian box.. doable? |
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| 22:39.18 | ioudas | as in hosting a box on the net with it |
| 22:39.32 | icebrain | ioudas: asp.net requires IIS, no? |
| 22:39.46 | ioudas | i thought there was a linux equiv? |
| 22:40.13 | icebrain | ioudas: it seems mono can handle it |
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| 22:40.43 | ioudas | i dont know mono really well and ive googled some places and installed some mono xsp server packages |
| 22:40.56 | ioudas | just not really sure where to go. cant seem to find useful info... |
| 22:41.18 | icebrain | have you seen http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cross-platform/introtomono2.aspx ? |
| 22:41.43 | ioudas | nope |
| 22:41.44 | ioudas | reads |
| 22:42.30 | icebrain | wonders why didn't anyone try ext4 on debian already... |
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| 22:44.31 | ioudas | ponders |
| 22:45.30 | icebrain | ioudas: any luck? |
| 22:45.47 | ioudas | i think i have it installed just not useable yet |
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| 22:47.14 | karsten | icebrain: destructive repartitioning? |
| 22:47.32 | icebrain | karsten: what? |
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| 22:48.11 | icebrain | karsten: I made a ext4 partition, but I can't mount it |
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| 22:49.38 | jpinx | to install a locally stored .deb do I use aptitude or dpkg? |
| 22:49.44 | ChrisW | anyone know what I'd put in a crontab to get a job to run once every 2 hrs? |
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| 22:49.58 | amphi | jpinx: dpkg -i |
| 22:50.05 | jpinx | amphi: ta |
| 22:50.09 | valdyn | ChrisW: dont edit crontab |
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| 22:50.27 | valdyn | ChrisW: = dont edit /etc/crontab |
| 22:50.35 | icebrain | ChrisW: man 5 crontab |
| 22:50.49 | teratoma | ChrisW: 1/2 in the 2nd field of cronta |
| 22:50.57 | ChrisW | valdyn: yes, thankyou, my egg sucking is moderately proficient ;-) |
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| 22:51.04 | linuxguy | How do you find out the IP addy you are using please? |
| 22:51.07 | ChrisW | teratoma: thanks |
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| 22:51.21 | icebrain | linuxguy: ifconfig? |
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| 22:52.57 | valdyn | linuxguy: or www.whatismyip.com |
| 22:53.06 | linuxguy | icebrain, thanks i will try |
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| 22:54.05 | valdyn | i doubt 1/2 does it |
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| 22:54.17 | godlygee1 | if sid wants to uninstall a few hundred packages after doing an upgrade, how can i track down what package got removed that depended on all of them? heh |
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| 22:54.21 | linuxguy | valdyn, thanks........i wass meaning the one for the router |
| 22:54.37 | ChrisW | valdyn: I reckon */2 would do it |
| 22:54.46 | valdyn | ChrisW: yes |
| 22:54.46 | mns | Can one do a rsync from one partition to another partition ? or is rsync meant for network transfers only ? |
| 22:54.58 | karsten | mns: Yes, no. |
| 22:55.07 | ChrisW | mns: what karsten said ;-) |
| 22:55.31 | valdyn | mns: one directory to another, partitions are a lower layer |
| 22:55.41 | jpinx | amphi: what's the reverse, if I want to remove a package installed locally by dpkg -i ? |
| 22:55.46 | mns | hmm ok. |
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| 22:55.58 | amphi | jpinx: you can do that with aptitude |
| 22:56.24 | jpinx | amphi: purge? |
| 22:56.41 | mns | my tar from one drive to another has been going for 16 hours and its 50% done. I'm thinking of maybe stopping it and trying something that might be faster ... |
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| 22:56.50 | amphi | that will also remove config files |
| 22:56.51 | valdyn | jpinx: its irrelevant where the package you want to remove was installed from |
| 22:56.59 | jpinx | thanks:) |
| 22:57.10 | valdyn | mns: its not going to be significantly faster |
| 22:57.29 | mns | and they said USB 2.0 is supposed to be fast !! |
| 22:57.38 | valdyn | mns: maybe its not usb2 |
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| 22:58.14 | valdyn | mns: tell us how many files and how much data you are copying |
| 22:58.29 | mns | I don't know how many files, but its about 74GB of data. |
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| 22:58.44 | valdyn | mns: how big are files? |
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| 22:59.04 | valdyn | mns: just roughly |
| 22:59.36 | mns | its a air-craft carrier load of files all varying in size from my .emacs file to JDKs .. |
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| 23:00.08 | valdyn | mns: its probably just usb1 |
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| 23:00.31 | valdyn | mns: watch speed in iotop while its just doing a large file |
| 23:00.40 | mns | even at USB 1.1 speeds .. shouldn't it be done by now ? |
| 23:00.51 | valdyn | mns: ( if you used the -v switch that is, otherwise you probably dont know |
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| 23:01.11 | valdyn | mns: use your calculator.. |
| 23:01.23 | mns | valdyn: yeah I used the -v switch . so its going to mess up my output .. but will try .. |
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| 23:01.38 | valdyn | mns: hmm? |
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| 23:01.52 | valdyn | mns: just follow tar output then and look at the running iotop |
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| 23:03.07 | mns | i backgrounded the tar for a sec .. no iotop on that laptop .. oh well. right now .. no network connection either .. its in single user mode .. |
| 23:03.18 | valdyn | mns: you backgrounded it? how? |
| 23:03.34 | valdyn | mns: dont tell me ctrl-z |
| 23:03.43 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:03.50 | mns | ctrl-z && bg |
| 23:03.59 | mns | it keeps writting . |
| 23:04.23 | valdyn | mns: not for much |
| 23:04.31 | mns | it still is .. |
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| 23:05.03 | valdyn | mns: if this takes 20 hours you got 1mb/sec transfer speed |
| 23:05.08 | valdyn | mns: thats probably usb1.0 |
| 23:05.13 | m3ltdown | how may files can an ext3-partition hold within one folder.....? |
| 23:05.21 | ScriptBox_ | hello I really need some help... |
| 23:05.34 | ScriptBox_ | How do I open ports in Debian?? |
| 23:05.41 | m3ltdown | and assuming there are e.g. 50 000 files, is the access slower in that case or doesn't the amount of files matter in that case? |
| 23:05.42 | valdyn | ScriptBox_: they're open |
| 23:05.47 | valdyn | ScriptBox_: you mean something els |
| 23:06.09 | mns | well lets see .. 4 more hours to go. got to go .. talk to you all later. |
| 23:06.10 | ScriptBox_ | In the server they are close.. |
| 23:06.14 | valdyn | m3ltdown: 50000 is not much at all in this situation |
| 23:06.23 | ScriptBox_ | the old admin closed them |
| 23:06.25 | valdyn | ops |
| 23:06.28 | m3ltdown | well i might assume much more, about 2.5mio |
| 23:06.33 | mns | I've got three USB ports on the laptop, how do I tell which one is a 2.0 port ? |
| 23:06.43 | valdyn | mns: 50000 is not much at all in your situation, it would slow things down but not significantly |
| 23:06.45 | ScriptBox_ | And now I need to open the port 8985, for using a Solr Server |
| 23:06.57 | ScriptBox_ | I did it with iptables |
| 23:07.08 | streuner | mns, look at BIOS and dmesg, just enable 2.0 if needed |
| 23:07.10 | valdyn | ScriptBox_: its already open by default in debian, you mean something else |
| 23:07.26 | valdyn | ScriptBox_: so maybe tell us completely what you are trying to do and we can guess what you need |
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| 23:08.13 | ScriptBox_ | valdyn: When I do a http://my.ip:8985/ I got no response... |
| 23:08.20 | valdyn | m3ltdown: at least as many as you have inodes available i would think |
| 23:08.38 | valdyn | ScriptBox_: i know, you wouldnt have come here otherwise |
| 23:08.40 | m3ltdown | how do i figure that out..? |
| 23:08.42 | mns | streuner: will try it later. got to go. hopefully when I come back its finished. :) |
| 23:08.50 | valdyn | ScriptBox_: tell us what you are trying to do |
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| 23:09.15 | ScriptBox_ | I want to start using a Solr server, in the Debian server |
| 23:09.38 | valdyn | ScriptBox_: or ill try for you: im trying to access http://my.ip:8985/ from the internet |
| 23:09.52 | valdyn | ScriptBox_: and I didnt enable port forwarding on my router |
| 23:09.53 | ScriptBox_ | And it uses jetty and using the port 8985 |
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| 23:10.36 | ScriptBox_ | And I just can't get no response... |
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| 23:11.06 | valdyn | ScriptBox_: its your router not forwarding 8985 to your debian box i guess |
| 23:11.13 | valdyn | !list open ports |
| 23:11.23 | valdyn | oo |
| 23:11.24 | valdyn | ScriptBox_: netstat -plunt lists open listening ports |
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| 23:13.25 | ScriptBox_ | When I do a netstat -plunt it shows the port 8985... |
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| 23:13.53 | bcessa | hi, this is a super newbie question, but here it is, how can I get a directory creation date? I can get the last modification date with ls -l but how can I see the creation date? |
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| 23:14.55 | Tramp | bcessa: you can't. Creation-date is not stored |
| 23:15.21 | Tramp | !ctime > bcessa |
| 23:15.33 | Tramp | !tell bcessa about ctime |
| 23:15.53 | bcessa | figures, thnx anyway, ctime? |
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| 23:17.01 | flindman | hi |
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| 23:20.57 | flindman | how to change the default kernel in the grub/menu.lst ? manually or using a script ? |
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| 23:21.14 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ping again |
| 23:21.17 | damiano | hello everybody |
| 23:21.24 | dondelelcaro | flindman: the first one listed is the default |
| 23:21.34 | dondelelcaro | (by default, anyway) |
| 23:21.52 | SerajewelKS | i have mine set to be the #2 entry, since the #1 entry is windows |
| 23:22.05 | damiano | i have a strange problem with apache mod rewrite..... i have mod rewrite installed....it loaded correctly, i restarted apache....but url rewrite doesn't work, what can i do? |
| 23:22.10 | SerajewelKS | (#1 is not a moving target for my reboot-to-windows shell script, while "second from the last" is a bit harder to script) |
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| 23:22.31 | dondelelcaro | flindman: that said, you can do things like default num, or use savedefault, or other fun things |
| 23:22.37 | SerajewelKS | damiano: try #apache? |
| 23:22.44 | SerajewelKS | damiano: they'll have more specific knowledge anyway |
| 23:22.45 | damiano | ok |
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| 23:23.09 | SerajewelKS | damiano: quick check: did you 'a2enmod rewrite'? |
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| 23:23.42 | SerajewelKS | damiano: mod_rewrite should be installed by default i think, but it may not be enabled by default |
| 23:24.03 | flindman | thank you |
| 23:24.05 | damiano | yes |
| 23:24.24 | damiano | i done |
| 23:24.27 | damiano | a2enmod rewrite |
| 23:24.41 | damiano | is enabled correctly...i saw in mods-enabled |
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| 23:25.17 | karsten | Any suggestions w/ GRUB error: I get a GRUB prompt, but *just* the words "GRUB _" where the '_' is the cursor |
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| 23:31.34 | pl4yer0ne | hooray for working on the w/e! |
| 23:31.44 | pl4yer0ne | oh wait no it sucks large hairy items |
| 23:34.02 | SerajewelKS | karsten: uhm, reinstall grub? |
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| 23:40.48 | amoe | Hi. I'm installing lenny on my laptop which has a wired and wireless NIC. The installer is trying to use the wired NIC, which I can't use at the moment. Is there any way to force use of the wireless card? (I'm not being offered a choice of interfaces - does this mean a problem with hardware detection?) |
| 23:41.14 | Brack10 | I'm half way through an etch install...should I cancel it and download lenny or do an upgrade once it's done installing? |
| 23:41.41 | cirzgamanti | are there vnc servers that are commonly regarded as most mature? |
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| 23:42.13 | cirzgamanti | Brack10: i personally would do a clean lenny install. |
| 23:42.21 | cirzgamanti | although it should work. |
| 23:42.46 | Brack10 | ok |
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| 23:42.58 | Brack10 | also bandwith is an issue, on 1.5 meg T1 |
| 23:43.04 | Brack10 | so which requires less? |
| 23:43.22 | cirzgamanti | well, the way you do it now, you'll download most stuff twice. |
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| 23:44.43 | amoe | If I have more than one network interface, would I normally be offered a choice by debian-installer? |
| 23:46.30 | Brack10 | amoe: choice of what? |
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| 23:46.36 | amoe | network interface |
| 23:46.40 | amoe | to use for the installation |
| 23:46.48 | Brack10 | ah gotcha |
| 23:46.51 | Brack10 | don't know :) |
| 23:47.25 | pl4yer0ne | amoe drop to a console and see if its detected |
| 23:47.51 | pl4yer0ne | via ifconfig, dmesg, whatever else you can think of |
| 23:47.59 | amoe | I did, but ifconfig didn't work |
| 23:48.04 | amoe | didn't try dmesg |
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| 23:48.39 | pl4yer0ne | you could try installing in expert mode too |
| 23:49.03 | amoe | nice idea... will give it a try |
| 23:49.14 | amoe | I think basically my 2 wireless nics are not being detected |
| 23:49.18 | pl4yer0ne | do or do not, there is no try |
| 23:49.18 | acu | krfb desktop sharing is buggy - it does not work in DUAL core cpus - is any way to fix that - or at least warn the users about it ? |
| 23:49.24 | amoe | one I know probably won't be |
| 23:49.31 | amoe | the other one I thought would be |
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| 23:49.45 | amoe | but yeah, let's move :) |
| 23:50.09 | pl4yer0ne | amoe IIRC: it doesnt use wifi by default because they normally recquire additional setup to work |
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| 23:50.48 | amoe | cheers pl4yer0ne. am off to try the install again... |
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| 23:54.58 | slim_ | hello all, after install nvidia drivers in debian lenny , my fonts become small, and i suffer from reading it, is this because native resolution of the monitor ? |
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| 23:58.05 | Zambezi | I have Debian Lenny, ATI HD 2xxx PCI-graphiccard, Ratpoison (no Gnome, no extra additional drivers except the basics). I'm going to configure my second monitor. Is this a good tutorial then? I don't have my second monitor yet, but I can use an old one temporary. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 23:59.16 | bbelt16ag | ok this is really really starting to be a urgent need to burn dvds... |
| 23:59.26 | bbelt16ag | and my k3b and growisofs is not working WTH |
