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| 00:05.22 | Ayus | hi...how do i call the bot here? |
| 00:05.44 | sepult | !bot melde dich |
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| 00:05.59 | Ayus | ? |
| 00:06.21 | Ayus | !ifconfig |
| 00:06.21 | dpkg | ifconfig is used to configure or view your machine's network interfaces. use the -a option to view all of them, or man ifconfig for more. see also <ifup>, <ifdown>, <man interfaces>, or <interfaces> |
| 00:06.27 | sepult | Ayus: /msg dpkg <your help issue> |
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| 00:06.44 | Ayus | tnks |
| 00:06.47 | Ace2017-_ | Hi all |
| 00:06.56 | Ace2017-_ | can someone help me with this compile error? http://pastebin.com/d6a488fe2 |
| 00:06.56 | Zambezi | bbelt16ag: I'll give you a link. |
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| 00:07.11 | Ace2017-_ | the required file is installed as you can see from the output of locate |
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| 00:07.56 | Zambezi | bbelt16ag: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DVD_writing Even if it's Arch, the wiki is simple. |
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| 00:13.38 | bbelt16ag | yeah seems simple |
| 00:13.54 | bbelt16ag | i'''l pastebin the output when it errors |
| 00:14.35 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 00:14.39 | bbelt16ag | the mofo worked.. |
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| 00:14.49 | bbelt16ag | ok well maybe it was that blank dvd then.. |
| 00:14.52 | bbelt16ag | don't know |
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| 00:14.57 | Alcap | hey there |
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| 00:15.39 | bbelt16ag | um for future reference how would I install a older version of a package with aptitude? |
| 00:16.05 | firefox | all the work for opengl, and after reboot it doesnt work. I did a dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, and it still failed... I had to add vesa in. I miss the driver selection from etch... are they gonna fix that? |
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| 00:16.26 | firefox | bbelt16ag: are you talking about backports? |
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| 00:16.48 | sohum | is the loopback interface meant to show up in ip route? |
| 00:16.53 | bbelt16ag | no just like if there is a newer version of a package in the repo |
| 00:17.01 | bbelt16ag | and I want to use the older one? |
| 00:17.29 | firefox | sohum: I'm not an expert but I thin lo should always show up |
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| 00:18.00 | sohum | firefox: it does not seem to be, for me |
| 00:18.11 | firefox | bbelt16ag: I think you can get older packages from the backports repo. |
| 00:18.25 | sohum | firefox: and trying to contact local servers seems to be failing |
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| 00:18.43 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 00:19.19 | firefox | sohum: again I am not an expert by anymeans haha, but the loop back is important for servers in general.. a shot in the dark would be ifup lo |
| 00:19.33 | sohum | firefox: tried that, didn't help |
| 00:20.05 | firefox | sohum: /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
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| 00:22.41 | sohum | firefox: nope, didn't help |
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| 00:23.01 | sohum | firefox: eth0 came up fine and added stuff to the routes, but not lo |
| 00:23.31 | firefox | sohum: thats the extent of my bag of tricks... hmmm where is that networking file. |
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| 00:25.52 | firefox | sohum: /etc/network/interfaces , last thing I can think of, mine has "auto lo" in it. |
| 00:26.47 | firefox | sohum: "# The loopback network interface |
| 00:26.47 | firefox | auto lo |
| 00:26.47 | firefox | iface lo inet loopback |
| 00:26.57 | firefox | that entry |
| 00:27.36 | jpinx | having installed something from a downloaded .deb with dpkg -i how do I double check that all dependencies have been met? |
| 00:27.41 | firefox | sohum: if that is in there, then you'll need some oone that knows more haha |
| 00:27.44 | gentgeen__ | how do I move X to tty6 and (and of course then have only 5 VTS)? |
| 00:27.46 | sohum | firefox: yep, that's in there |
| 00:27.58 | pl4yer0ne | jpinx, it should check deps as normal |
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| 00:28.30 | firefox | jpinx: It wouldnt have let you install it with out all of them being met I thought |
| 00:28.32 | sohum | firefox: although .. huh. ping localhost workd |
| 00:28.35 | jpinx | pl4yer0ne: yes, and I installed the pkgs it asked for, but I'd like to double check that there are no un-met dependencies |
| 00:29.00 | gentgeen__ | I already edited /etc/inittab to take out tty6 ... but I do I now move GDM over to tty6 |
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| 00:29.06 | Fund | please help me |
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| 00:29.16 | Tramp | sohum: lo does not show up in ip route. It shows up in ifconfig lo |
| 00:29.30 | Fund | how can I edit my sources.list I have feisty fawn 7.04 |
| 00:29.36 | Fund | I need a list for sources |
| 00:29.40 | Fund | please :S |
| 00:29.40 | bbelt16ag | well it error this time.. |
| 00:29.43 | brady | Is there a command (like grep) which will print only even or odd lines? |
| 00:29.44 | bbelt16ag | gonna try another dvd.. |
| 00:29.54 | up365 | Fund, go to #ubuntu |
| 00:30.06 | pl4yer0ne | jpinx, in theory if it lets you install it then dependencies are met. |
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| 00:30.20 | Fund | up365 man they dont help.. they say search google |
| 00:30.22 | Fund | or dont know |
| 00:30.30 | Fund | can anyone help me here:/? |
| 00:30.39 | up365 | then google or go to ubuntu forum |
| 00:30.46 | sohum | Tramp: well, it's supposed to show up as the route to localhost, right? |
| 00:30.50 | Fund | I searched a lot |
| 00:30.51 | firefox | Fund: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:30.56 | bbelt16ag | :-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=3h/ASC=73h/ACQ=03h]: Input/output error |
| 00:31.04 | sohum | Tramp: but never mind, it seems debian's smart enough to do that automatically |
| 00:31.07 | firefox | that would be for debian though fund |
| 00:31.08 | Fund | firefox, can I PM you ? |
| 00:31.13 | bbelt16ag | ":-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=3h/ASC=73h/ACQ=03h]: Input/output error" |
| 00:31.22 | bbelt16ag | any ideas what that means? |
| 00:31.22 | jpinx | pl4yer0ne: it complains and tells you what's missing and it won't configure the pkg, but having done everything I want to double check |
| 00:31.31 | firefox | Fund: you would get better adivce from tea leaves |
| 00:31.37 | frindly | hello everybody! |
| 00:31.50 | amphi | firefox: heh |
| 00:31.55 | gentgeen__ | Fund, I assume you want a list of possible mirrors... google for "Ubuntu Repository Mirrors" |
| 00:32.11 | frostschutz | brady: sed -n 0~2p file, sed -n 1~2p file |
| 00:32.15 | Fund | I need it for Feisty Fawn 7.04 |
| 00:32.15 | gentgeen__ | then edit your source.list with any text editor |
| 00:32.22 | mythomaniac | anyone here using squeeze? |
| 00:32.36 | frindly | no. just installing lenny at the moment |
| 00:32.45 | brady | Much thanks, frostschutz. |
| 00:32.46 | frostschutz | brady: 2~2 even, 1~2 odd |
| 00:32.55 | pl4yer0ne | jpinx, you could do a dry run first |
| 00:33.19 | gentgeen__ | Fund, Fawn _IS_ ubuntu |
| 00:33.21 | jpinx | pl4yer0ne: thanks - I'm chasing down the dependencies now |
| 00:33.22 | bbelt16ag | any ideas why it would work on one dvd and not another? |
| 00:33.37 | up365 | Fund, desist in your ubuntu search here |
| 00:33.40 | bbelt16ag | there the same nothing wrong with them that I can see. except a smudge on one |
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| 00:34.00 | gentgeen__ | and not trying to be rude here... but from you questions, I am thinking that maybe a little googleing will be good for you |
| 00:34.03 | bbelt16ag | seems to be working now maybe a bad disk. |
| 00:34.11 | bbelt16ag | me? |
| 00:34.22 | firefox | jpinx: I am horrible with syntax... but dpkg -i --fix-missing might gather any thing thats unmet |
| 00:35.39 | jpinx | firefox: ta |
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| 00:36.18 | firefox | jpinx: I love total anihilation? |
| 00:36.39 | zibri | is it just me or is it impossible to apt-get mplayer in sid, with dependancies on libraw1394-8, which doesn't exist? |
| 00:36.54 | Guerin | !ta |
| 00:36.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, ta is an abbreviation for thomas_adam, or antipodean slang for "thank you". Total Annihilation(Best RTS *evar*). Teaching Assistant Tamil (language spoken in South India as well as Sri Lanka, Singapore and Malaysia) |
| 00:36.56 | pl4yer0ne | TA FTW |
| 00:37.07 | pl4yer0ne | also SC |
| 00:37.15 | Guerin | antipodean slang for "thank you" |
| 00:37.34 | jpinx | antipodean ??? wtf? |
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| 00:37.47 | Guerin | zibri: sid breaks. It's how life is. |
| 00:37.56 | zibri | Guerin: yes. i can live with it |
| 00:38.21 | zibri | Guerin: just wanted to know if somebody could confirm |
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| 00:38.31 | Alcap | can anyone tell me how to do an action based on a file name pattern? |
| 00:38.39 | Alcap | (it's a shell script) |
| 00:39.09 | pl4yer0ne | find (find pattern stuff goes here) -exec (your action here) |
| 00:39.39 | pl4yer0ne | or possibly print and xargs |
| 00:39.48 | Alcap | print? |
| 00:39.50 | pl4yer0ne | depending on what you wanna do |
| 00:39.52 | Alcap | let me man that |
| 00:40.16 | Alcap | I want to do something like this |
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| 00:41.22 | Alcap | if a file with the word part on the filename, then it will execute a command different than the commands for the other files |
| 00:41.25 | Alcap | example |
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| 00:41.42 | Guerin | Alcap: #bash |
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| 00:42.09 | pl4yer0ne | alcap man find |
| 00:42.15 | Alcap | I want to execute echo "hello" every time file is found, but everytime file.part is found I want it to execute echo "screw scrips" |
| 00:42.31 | Alcap | pl4yer0ne: already did |
| 00:42.45 | Alcap | care to point me in the right direction |
| 00:42.46 | Alcap | ? |
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| 00:43.09 | pl4yer0ne | go read http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
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| 00:43.47 | Alcap | #debian=RTFM |
| 00:43.49 | pl4yer0ne | perl would be easier |
| 00:43.57 | Alcap | I could have just stayed in google xD |
| 00:44.04 | Alcap | I just know a little bash |
| 00:44.21 | |Jason8| | Hello. I just installed PHP5 onto my debian server using apt-get install, but it's not letting me execute the .php script I want to execute. |
| 00:44.23 | |Jason8| | -bash: ./spawner.php: /usr/bin/php: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 00:44.38 | |Jason8| | there is no php or php5 in /usr/bin |
| 00:44.47 | |Jason8| | does it install somewhere else? |
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| 00:45.46 | bbelt16ag | I figured it out woohoo |
| 00:46.29 | pl4yer0ne | Alcap, learn some more then =) |
| 00:46.58 | Alcap | I'm trying:P |
| 00:47.02 | zibri | |Jason8|: apt-get install php5-cli? |
| 00:47.10 | scientes | build-essential wont install |
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| 00:47.37 | |Jason8| | zibri: That did it. |
| 00:47.39 | |Jason8| | Thanks! :D |
| 00:47.41 | scientes | its based on this wierd thing goin on with gcc-4.3-base |
| 00:47.45 | bbelt16ag | aparently the default options of k3b are for auto multisession. well since I was just deleting the old files I burned and then adding in the new files . well aparenlty it thinks I want a resumed session then.. which I don't. so I set it to default of no multisession and that worked this time. one more time to confirm I think |
| 00:48.03 | Akuw | what applications are there to video editing |
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| 00:58.00 | cheekee | when I run xterm I get the message ---urxvt: can't open display :0, aborting. |
| 00:58.08 | cheekee | what do I do? |
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| 00:59.26 | bbelt16ag | ok this is just getting meanie like |
| 00:59.34 | bbelt16ag | I gotta make a new tab everytime? |
| 00:59.48 | gentgeen__ | anyone know where the config for defining that [x|k|g]dm runs on vt7 ? (I want to change it to vt6) |
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| 01:00.57 | bbelt16ag | ok that's what its I gott make a new dvd tab every dang time.. |
| 01:01.07 | bbelt16ag | ok that's it I am writing a script screw this crap. |
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| 01:03.10 | Akuw | what applications are there to video editing ? |
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| 01:07.21 | linuxguy | I do not seem to be able to check if glxinfo is working, typing in glxinfo | grep just says command not found |
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| 01:08.00 | Wyzard | linuxguy: glxinfo is in the mesa-utils package |
| 01:08.07 | dtcrshr | Akuw: try kino |
| 01:08.23 | bbelt16ag | are you doing it a root? |
| 01:08.34 | bbelt16ag | scrath that.. |
| 01:08.35 | linuxguy | Wyzard, do i get that from synaptic or apt-get? |
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| 01:09.19 | Wyzard | linuxguy: doesn't matter; those are just different frontends to the same package system and the same repositories |
| 01:09.43 | linuxguy | Wyzard, thanks just instaalled it using apt-get |
| 01:09.43 | Wyzard | It's not that synaptic has one set of packages and apt-get has another |
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| 01:11.13 | linuxguy | Wyzard, it says unable to open screen0.0 weird? |
| 01:11.26 | Wyzard | linuxguy: Are you running it in X? |
| 01:11.55 | linuxguy | Wyzard, in console |
| 01:11.56 | Akuw | there is another? kino is no so good |
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| 01:12.16 | Wyzard | linuxguy: glxinfo tells you about the GLX extension of the X session you run it in |
| 01:12.31 | linuxguy | Wyzard, I am just putting the finishing touches to installed the nvidia card |
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| 01:12.59 | Wyzard | linuxguy: You can't use it in the console |
| 01:13.26 | linuxguy | Wyzard, glxinfo or glxgears will not work |
| 01:13.44 | Wyzard | linuxguy: They don't work when you run them in X? |
| 01:14.04 | Hazelesque | Hi there, nfdump's init script appears to be broken |
| 01:14.16 | Hazelesque | if VERBOSE is set to "no" in /lib/init/vars.sh |
| 01:14.18 | linuxguy | Wyzard, nope none of them, yet my card installed fine |
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| 01:14.37 | Hazelesque | then when the post-inst script for nfdump runs |
| 01:14.41 | Wyzard | linuxguy: Run "xdpyinfo | grep GLX" in your X session |
| 01:14.46 | Wyzard | linuxguy: Does it produce any output? |
| 01:14.50 | Hazelesque | and the /etc/default/... file is configured for the daemon to not run |
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| 01:15.16 | Hazelesque | (or, in fact, any time it tries to start it, if VERBOSE=no |
| 01:15.17 | Hazelesque | 0|1) [ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && log_end_msg 0 ;; |
| 01:15.37 | linuxguy | Wyzard, this is what replies i get pcTech:/home/linuxguy# xdpyinfo | grep GLX |
| 01:15.38 | linuxguy | Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyxdpyinfo: unable to open display ":0.0". |
| 01:15.39 | Hazelesque | ^ that will evaluate to "false" |
| 01:15.45 | Hazelesque | causing the init script to "fail" |
| 01:15.49 | Wyzard | linuxguy: *in your X session* |
| 01:16.10 | Wyzard | linuxguy: and as your normal account, not root |
| 01:16.30 | linuxguy | Wyzard, should i of logged out \in after indtstalling mesa-utils? |
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| 01:16.49 | Wyzard | linuxguy: no, there's no need for that |
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| 01:18.39 | linuxguy | Wyzard, thanks for your helpies there, i got, NV, GLX, rendering =yes :) :) |
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| 01:24.14 | UndertakerX2 | could some one tell me what file the shell usernames and permisions are stored? |
| 01:25.04 | Wyzard | "shell usernames"? |
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| 01:25.32 | Wyzard | If you mean the people who have system accounts and can log in and get a shell, that's in /etc/passwd, with password hashes in /etc/shadow |
| 01:25.41 | zinx | UndertakerX2: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:26.17 | simonrvn | "should i have" |
| 01:26.48 | Wyzard | simonrvn: You're about ten minutes late for that :-) |
| 01:26.56 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:26.57 | UndertakerX2 | zinx: well long story short have vsftpd installed and working, set a user as owner of /var/www and chmod it to 750 and 755 and get no permision errors if i try to edit or delete or upload a file |
| 01:28.52 | simonrvn | tries to take care of his slightly battered vocal cords |
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| 01:29.29 | aoeu | i'm rsyncing my etch backup over lenny. do i need to do anything to get grub to work, or will it just work? |
| 01:29.42 | UndertakerX2 | zinx: when i use shell the same thing applies |
| 01:29.51 | simonrvn | it should just work (tm) |
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| 01:38.51 | cmyers_ | Greetings debian folks - I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas for how to figure out which physical drive corresponds to which device /dev/sdX on my fileserver box. I have 8 drives all part of a software raid, and one of them failed but I can't tell which =( |
| 01:40.04 | zinx | cmyers_: ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/ |
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| 01:41.59 | UndertakerX2 | zinx: any suggestions |
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| 01:43.21 | zinx | UndertakerX2: i don't understand your configuration well enough to help, and i'm too lazy to figure it out :D |
| 01:43.47 | UndertakerX2 | zinx: then why both asking whats wrong? |
| 01:44.10 | zinx | UndertakerX2: because anyone else in here needs the same information, and most are not going to bother asking you. |
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| 01:44.49 | UndertakerX2 | zinx: and what info would that be? vsftpd.conf? |
| 01:45.47 | zinx | UndertakerX2: whole system, who vsftpd's running as, how it's set up to handle users, which user the ftp root is owned by, which user you tried to do stuff as, probably much more as the problem unfolds :/ |
| 01:46.07 | UndertakerX2 | zinx: not trying to falme just been working on this forever and cant get it running right, its the last major step to getting my server running |
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| 01:47.44 | linuxguy | !seen h2 |
| 01:47.44 | dpkg | h2 <~h2@c-76-103-131-228.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 5h 57m 34s ago, saying: 'looks like these are known and unfixed bugs for years now, so I guess the question is, when you get these types of errors, in approx, how can you work around them? It looks like approx is in fact not at all a working proxy, and fails when multiple systems'. |
| 01:48.35 | linuxguy | cmyers_, have you looked at the debian wiki? |
| 01:48.46 | worren | having keyboard problem. how to roll back to previous? i have backup before upgrade. how to use it? |
| 01:48.54 | jair | does anyone use asus here, I has been trying to find information about asus P5GD2-Deluxe and see if the bios support USB boot and I can't find anything... :( |
| 01:49.11 | Wyzard | jair: Any modern PC should support USB booting |
| 01:49.36 | jair | I enabled the USB support in the bios. |
| 01:49.55 | Wyzard | jair: In Award BIOSes, the option (in the boot-order menu) is labeled "USB Zip/LS", but it actually works for any USB mass-storage device, like flash drives |
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| 01:50.00 | linuxguy | jair, I use ASUS all the time.......have you checked asus support? |
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| 01:50.30 | linuxguy | Wyzard, thanks for your helpies.....everything worked and compiz does to |
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| 01:50.57 | jair | Wyzard: this is a Wyzard this is amibios |
| 01:51.18 | jair | linuxguy: I will check their page :( I has been looking at google though |
| 01:51.27 | Wyzard | I don't know about those, sorry |
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| 01:51.43 | cmyers_ | zinx, thanks for the suggestion. Wyzard, I haven't checked hte wiki yet but I wasn't sure what to search for. |
| 01:51.45 | jair | Wyzard: that's fine |
| 01:51.57 | linuxguy | jair, i think i saw something on my M2n68, saying its in the boot up options menu :) |
| 01:52.39 | jair | linuxguy: I actually see that menu but I can not boot though and this bios does not have the option to press for menu boot. |
| 01:52.48 | x|e | i just installed a new kernel and system hangs at waiting for root filesystem. did some reading and says that its the new IDE drivers naming the discs something other than whats in /etc/fstab.. so i changed everything to use UUID instead in /etc/fstab and in grub as well. yet system still hangs at waiting for root filesystem.. any ideas? |
| 01:53.29 | jair | linuxguy: when I try to go to the boot up options I can only select cd, hd, pxe nic card and floppy |
| 01:53.46 | jair | linuxguy: I will check again make sure I am not missing anything obvious |
| 01:53.58 | worren | having keyboard problem after upgrade. how to roll back to previous version? i have backup before upgrade. how to use it? |
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| 01:55.04 | jair | linuxguy: I think i found the option, while the bios is booting I can see something like "press F8 for popup" |
| 01:55.11 | thasp | what would I have to copy from one machine to another so all my groups/users/passwords are transferred over? |
| 01:55.35 | jair | linuxguy: so I pressed the F8 key and it shows the boot menu and I can actually choose the usb :) |
| 01:55.59 | Wyzard | thasp: /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group, /etc/gshadow |
| 01:56.05 | Wyzard | thasp: and home directories |
| 01:56.28 | thasp | thanks Wyzard |
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| 01:57.33 | linuxguy | jair, ive found some info as well on my m2n68 theres a section there usb configuration, under controller settings, theres something Legact usb support, enabled, it detects usb at boot up :) |
| 01:58.07 | worren | has anyone here upgraded 'testing' recently? |
| 01:58.11 | jair | linuxguy: yep |
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| 01:58.44 | jair | linuxguy: all the usb settings were enabled properly, all I needed to do is press F8 to get the popup menu and choose the usb |
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| 01:59.21 | linuxguy | jair, yep......hoped i helpe3d out |
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| 02:00.54 | jair | linuxguy: :) |
| 02:02.08 | cmyers_ | hmm, that was very helpful, it looks like the drive used to be /dev/sdi and somehow got renamed to sde, which is what made it fail (I think). Either that, or it really failed and in the process got renamed |
| 02:02.24 | cmyers_ | so now the problem is, /dev/sdi1 doesn't exist anymore, so I can't remove it from the array |
| 02:02.29 | cmyers_ | mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/hda6 |
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| 02:02.55 | cmyers_ | erm, sde1 instead of hda6 - when I type that, I get "mdadm: cannot find /dev/sdi1: No such file or directory" |
| 02:03.06 | cmyers_ | so how do I force it to remove it? |
| 02:03.27 | Wyzard | cmyers_: A device being renamed shouldn't make it fall out of the array -- it's the array metadata stored on the device that really identifies it as part of the array, not its name |
| 02:03.45 | cmyers_ | Wyzard : ah, then it probably really did fail. |
| 02:03.57 | cmyers_ | still, I would like to remove the bad reference from the array |
| 02:04.06 | Wyzard | cmyers_: Check your logs to see the messages from when it was dropped |
| 02:04.10 | CaT[t3] | well by the looks of it... do you actually -have- a /dev/sdi1? |
| 02:04.24 | CaT[t3] | i mean, is the file actually there |
| 02:04.27 | CaT[t3] | ? |
| 02:04.44 | CaT[t3] | ah it doesn't |
| 02:04.48 | cmyers_ | CaT[t3] nope, it is gone. I assume the dynamic dev node maker, what's it called, udev or something? probably removed it when the drive failed |
| 02:04.59 | CaT[t3] | prolly |
| 02:05.00 | cmyers_ | do I just need to temporarily create it? |
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| 02:05.55 | neo__ | /7895000--**/ |
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| 02:09.34 | cmyers_ | Hmm, can anyone tell me how to figure out the correct arguments to mknod to create /dev/sdi1 ? |
| 02:09.47 | cmyers_ | The debian wiki and general googling is not yielding results =( |
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| 02:10.58 | aidan | I've installed docbook-xsl but I can |
| 02:11.10 | aidan | 't work out where it's installing the stylesheets |
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| 02:13.25 | starbuck11 | does somebody use a phenom2 cpu??? |
| 02:13.45 | starbuck11 | i want to know if it is possible to use cool'n'quiet |
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| 02:16.50 | starbuck11 | maybe i have to ask tomorrow again ^^ |
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| 02:21.14 | aidan | starbuck11: cpu's don't make noise |
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| 02:23.13 | aidan | oh, I just reread what you wrote, continue |
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| 02:25.06 | SerajewelKS | cmyers_: on a modern debian install, udev will make those nodes for you |
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| 02:25.32 | carpii | what package do i need to share a directory via nfs? |
| 02:25.44 | carpii | given that i did a minimal install |
| 02:25.47 | SerajewelKS | carpii: probably nfs-server? |
| 02:26.04 | SerajewelKS | carpii: 'apt-cache search' is your friend |
| 02:26.14 | carpii | ah yes, good point :p |
| 02:26.28 | carpii | its listing unfs, nfs-user and nfs-kernel |
| 02:27.48 | carpii | ok seems kernel is the one to go for |
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| 02:28.16 | linuxguy | hhmm......interesting.....ive stopped my monitor from switching off in power control, but after only 10 mis of non use the screen goes blank instead of the screensaver kicking in...anyone any ideas why please? |
| 02:28.59 | Jaguen | erro in debian: No Screen Found -- any solved? |
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| 02:29.39 | SerajewelKS | Jaguen: you're going to have to provide a lot more information than that |
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| 02:31.33 | Jaguen | what you need |
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| 02:31.51 | SerajewelKS | X configuration and full X logs would be a start |
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| 02:32.02 | dzup | hi, you guy thin that i can redirect all my screen to be play by VNC server? like taking a movie of my screen, its possible or exist already a utility for that? |
| 02:32.08 | UndertakerX2 | whats a good full featuerd(but free) web hosting control panel? |
| 02:32.47 | carpii | webmin maybe |
| 02:33.02 | UndertakerX2 | carpil: thanks but didnt care for webmin |
| 02:33.05 | Ace2017-_ | dzup: kde4 can record the screen as well as xvidcap |
| 02:33.18 | Jaguen | want to start the screen flashes a picture and send a message down and says no screen found |
| 02:33.38 | carpii | most of the ones a commercial hosting provider uses are commercial |
| 02:33.43 | carpii | i dont know of any others really |
| 02:34.08 | dzup | Ace2017-_: am in gnome, but you mean if i run a game (UT) in full screen i an capture my game to a file? |
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| 02:36.00 | aidan | How can I see what files a package has installed? |
| 02:36.03 | Wyzard | !tell Jaguen about no screens found |
| 02:36.32 | Wyzard | aidan: dpkg -L packagename |
| 02:36.46 | Ace2017-_ | dzup: i doubt it, hardware acceleration would need to be disabled to do it, unless the game is run in wine |
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| 02:38.11 | Jaguen | VVyzard (EE) = No drivers avaliable -- my videocard is a ATI RAGE XL |
| 02:38.35 | thasp | is there a simple way to copy all the home directories from one system to another while maintaining proper permissions? |
| 02:38.37 | Ace2017-_ | dzup: it seems to be possible: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=752472 |
| 02:38.38 | thasp | and owners |
| 02:38.44 | cmyers_ | ugh, unplugged the wrong disk =( I have a 50/50 shot since I could narrow it down to the correct controller, but I guess I blew it =(. I'll try the other one when it's done rebuilding in 50 minutes =| |
| 02:38.45 | dzup | Ace2017-_: yeah i do winehq the windows game , soo for gnome you said xvidcap ? |
| 02:39.14 | cmyers_ | erm, 500 minutes. Turns out rebuilding a 1TB disk of an array takes along time. |
| 02:39.18 | dzup | Ace2017-_: thans bro |
| 02:39.34 | dzup | (keyboeard problems here) |
| 02:40.39 | Jaguen | VVyzard, at line indicate (EE) = No drivers avaliable -- my videocard is a ATI RAGE XL |
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| 02:44.50 | chuck | how do I get readline enabled with PHP in debian |
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| 02:45.37 | godlygeek | "sudo update-manager" works, but "gksu update-manager" gives me "warning: could not initiate dbus" and then a python backtrace... any clues what could be going wrong? |
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| 02:48.24 | Jaguen | want to start the screen flashes a picture and send a message down and says no screen found |
| 02:48.36 | Jaguen | Xorg, at line indicate (EE) = No drivers avaliable -- my videocard is a ATI RAGE XL |
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| 03:01.13 | linuxguy | Anyone any ideas why i cant play any flash movies on debian 5, i have installed the plugins for iceweasel |
| 03:01.16 | Jaguen | Help: after to start the screen flashes a picture and send a message down and says no screen found (debian) |
| 03:01.56 | Jaguen | at line indicate (EE) = No Drivers Found -- my videocard is ATI RADEON XL |
| 03:02.30 | linuxguy | Jaguen, have you installed the drivers for that card? |
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| 03:03.36 | Jaguen | mmm debian support it or not |
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| 03:04.47 | streuner | linuxguy, just install flash |
| 03:05.23 | linuxguy | Jaguen, yes this is debian support, 1st we need to know what is causing the problems,so ythe helpers here can eliminate what is causing this to happen |
| 03:05.29 | streuner | dpkg, flash |
| 03:05.30 | dpkg | flash is probably frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:06.14 | linuxguy | streuner, i have installed flashplayer from adobes site, but i will look at the wiki thanks |
| 03:06.25 | Jaguen | what you need linuxguy |
| 03:06.49 | streuner | linuxguy, strange, it should work then |
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| 03:06.55 | linuxguy | Jaguen, have you installed the linux drivers for the radeon card? |
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| 03:07.14 | Jaguen | no linux |
| 03:07.16 | kdub | i'm on 'unstable' if i want to switch to the new release, can i just edit my sources.list file to say stable, and apt-upgrade? |
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| 03:07.38 | streuner | kdub, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:07.47 | linuxguy | streuner, i thought so to, on any video i just get a big arrow |
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| 03:08.03 | Jaguen | and not where they are downloaded to a SPARC |
| 03:08.06 | streuner | youtube |
| 03:08.29 | streuner | kdub, /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 03:08.33 | Jaguen | any idea? |
| 03:08.37 | linuxguy | Jaguen, yo are not using linux?...debian is one of the best distros out there |
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| 03:10.09 | YuLiansu | Hi. Located in China, how I manage to access Internet through the great firewall of china? I used tor but too slow. I have a server in HK where I have root permission. |
| 03:10.28 | YuLiansu | Setting up VPN server on the server in HK sounds complicated. |
| 03:11.07 | Gr33n3gg | I set up my own VPN connection (server) the other day, not too hard. |
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| 03:11.12 | Gr33n3gg | Lemme find the link. |
| 03:11.23 | linuxguy | streuner, thanks ffor that wiki, but Im using lenny now, graphics card works fine, ive even tried rebooting etc to make it work |
| 03:11.47 | Gr33n3gg | YuLiansu: http://www.ducea.com/2008/06/19/setting-up-a-pptp-vpn-server-on-debian-etch/ |
| 03:12.35 | Jaguen | i need it, to work, any solution |
| 03:13.36 | linuxguy | Jaguen, ive never used SPARC before, have you looked at the wiki? |
| 03:13.43 | streuner | linuxguy, some flash version isnt support in linux at all, but most in youtube |
| 03:13.48 | YuLiansu | Gr33n3gg: thanks I'm checking the link (seems again blocked by GFC (Great firewall of China)) |
| 03:14.25 | linuxguy | strue do you think i need shockwave to? |
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| 03:14.59 | linuxguy | oops struelast post was meant for you sorry |
| 03:15.29 | Jaguen | no linux, who can help in that channel |
| 03:15.56 | streuner | linuxguy, shockwave isnt support, at least there is no plugin for linux |
| 03:16.01 | Gr33n3gg | YuLiansu: Is that page blocked? If so, try this: http://flippy01.co.cc/vpn.htm |
| 03:16.06 | streuner | supported |
| 03:16.25 | jamon | Jaguen: well try using "ati" or "radeon" in your xorg.conf for a driver as a test |
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| 03:16.49 | xxiao | WARNING: `makeinfo' is missing on your system. ---but the newest makeinfo is installed |
| 03:16.59 | streuner | well, most flash movies are playable for me, so no worries |
| 03:17.28 | YuLiansu | Gr33n3gg: okay, that works. I am following it:) |
| 03:18.47 | Gr33n3gg | YuLiansu: Good :) I put it on my server. |
| 03:18.58 | YuLiansu | Gr33n3gg: I save the page and follow it later. Got something to do today. |
| 03:19.03 | YuLiansu | Gr33n3gg: thanks. looks simple:) |
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| 03:19.17 | Gr33n3gg | YuLiansu: No problem, pretty easy to set up. |
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| 03:20.35 | linuxguy | streuner, i am trying to work out here if you are using Debian Linux or not? |
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| 03:24.27 | streuner | What do you think what kind of OS people in channel debian using? |
| 03:24.58 | CaT[t3] | some weird and whacky souls use ubuntu. |
| 03:25.12 | craigevil | linuxguy: are you running gnome? if so remove swfdec, then either install flashplugin-nonfree from sid or flashplayer-mozilla from dmm |
| 03:25.15 | Gr33n3gg | shudders |
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| 03:25.53 | linuxguy | craigevil, hi no im using kde |
| 03:26.23 | Wyzard | craigevil: How are those specific to GNOME? |
| 03:26.30 | streuner | hm |
| 03:26.42 | linuxguy | streuner, that is what i am trying to explain all the people here are using an OS called Debian, it is Linux |
| 03:26.56 | craigevil | Wyzard: swfdec-gnome - Tools to play SWF files (Macromedia Flash) on GNOME, because totem pulls that crap in |
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| 03:27.16 | streuner | linuxguy, oh, well, Linux is the Kernel, Debian is a distro... |
| 03:27.37 | Wyzard | craigevil: ah, I thought you mean that flashplugin-nonfree and flashplayer-mozilla are appropriate only in GNOME |
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| 03:28.25 | linuxguy | craigevil, how will i get those players please?..i only have the adobe player from thier site installed |
| 03:29.19 | craigevil | linuxguy: either use sid repo with non-free contrib or debian-multimedia-org, flashplugin-nonfree is sid flashplayer-mozilla is from dmm either one will install Adobe Flash 10 to the correct dir so it just works |
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| 03:30.27 | streuner | dmm should just easier for him... |
| 03:30.31 | streuner | be} |
| 03:30.40 | Ace2017-_ | thinks its easier to install flash from adobe |
| 03:31.04 | Wyzard | Ace2017-_: That doesn't get you automatic updates through apt |
| 03:31.25 | Wyzard | nor clean uninstall if you decide later you don't want Flash |
| 03:31.29 | Ace2017-_ | Wyzard: i know, but 64bit flash 10 wasn't available at the time |
| 03:31.51 | Ace2017-_ | Wyzard: i have to remove a single .so file and replace it with the new version, not hard |
| 03:32.24 | craigevil | dmm had 64bit flash within a day or two of adobe releasing it |
| 03:32.25 | KC | how well does their 64 bit flash 10 for linux work? |
| 03:32.27 | Wyzard | sure, when you notice that there's a new version -- how often do you check? |
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| 03:32.48 | Wyzard | KC: I've had a few browser crashes (running epiphany) that I suspect were caused by Flash, but overall it seems to work OK |
| 03:32.52 | linuxguy | craigevil, i see where you are coming from now, i have to add a line to the sources.config?..something like deb wget (?????) non-free? |
| 03:33.05 | KC | and dmm is still giving out the 32 bit version, at least for me |
| 03:33.08 | Ace2017-_ | KC: in firefox it works pretty flawlessly |
| 03:33.16 | craigevil | linuxguy: just add debian-multimedia.org's repo if you dont already have it |
| 03:33.23 | KC | that would be a major step up from 32 bit flash then |
| 03:33.32 | Wyzard | dunno about dmm, but sid has the 64-bit one |
| 03:33.35 | KC | flash teen destroyed firefox on me in 32 bit :( |
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| 03:34.12 | KC | hmm, how do i get it out of sid without upgrading to sid altogether then? |
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| 03:34.36 | streuner | backport |
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| 03:34.48 | KC | um... there's no source? |
| 03:35.08 | streuner | hm, thats a problem then, i forgot |
| 03:35.16 | linuxguy | craigevil, i know, im trying to work out what it is i should type |
| 03:35.32 | KC | also, i need to install a compiler |
| 03:35.33 | craigevil | linuxguy: take a look at http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ follow the directions there |
| 03:35.49 | linuxguy | craigevil, thanks will do :) |
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| 03:41.17 | bullgard4 | How are 'piped data' defined in 'man pastebinit': "OPTIONS: Required arguments: -f [filename] (or piped data)"? |
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| 03:42.32 | Wyzard | bullgard4: e.g. somecommand | pastebinit |
| 03:42.41 | carpii | more textfile | pastebininit |
| 03:43.00 | Wyzard | carpii: no need for more; pastebinit < textfile |
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| 03:43.24 | carpii | hm true :p |
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| 03:43.41 | carpii | its a bad habit ive gotten into i guess |
| 03:43.47 | bullgard4 | Wyzard, carpii : Thank you. |
| 03:43.55 | Wyzard | and "cat" would be more appropriate than "more" in that case -- "more" is meant for interactive prompting |
| 03:44.34 | carpii | yeah i tend to view a log using more |
| 03:44.42 | Wyzard | You should try "less" |
| 03:44.46 | carpii | and then pipe it into a command afterwards |
| 03:44.59 | carpii | ie, once ive looked at it |
| 03:45.13 | linuxguy | craigevil, thanks that site was interesting, i have the files needed now, they are .deb files but i am unsure how to install them...sorry for pestering you |
| 03:45.41 | craigevil | linuxguy: apt-get install flashplayre-mozilla or use synaptic if you prefer |
| 03:46.09 | craigevil | why download them when you can just add dmm to your sources.list and use aptitude/apt |
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| 03:48.01 | simonrvn | nsadmin: i put one together, finished just now, sources_list.m4 thingy; based off yours, with some tweaking. ;) |
| 03:48.22 | linuxguy | craigevil, they are not in synaptic, im new 3 days only to debian, apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla returned could not find package |
| 03:48.56 | craigevil | linuxguy: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add the dmm repo for whatever debian release you are running |
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| 03:49.38 | KC | why isn't the flash plugin in non free anyway? |
| 03:49.51 | craigevil | !adboe flash |
| 03:49.55 | craigevil | !adobe flash |
| 03:49.56 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and cannot be in a stable debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easist way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 03:50.21 | simonrvn | KC: um, it is in non-free |
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| 03:50.54 | chuck | how do I get readline in PHP working? |
| 03:50.56 | craigevil | linuxguy: if you want to do it the easy way you can use the extras script, pm me |
| 03:51.49 | KC | no security support for old versions is a lousy reason, adobe doesn't provide security support period (though that is a good reason...) |
| 03:52.14 | sshc | right. it isn't a good reason and it is a good reason |
| 03:52.22 | linuxguy | craigevil, that would be great 2 secs and thanks a lot |
| 03:52.41 | KC | !flash64beta |
| 03:52.41 | dpkg | To use the beta flash non-free player without running into problems in usermode download the tar.gz from http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html, mkdir /home/`whoami`/.mozilla/plugins and copy the extracted .so into it. |
| 03:53.20 | craigevil | sid (unstable) (web): Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin [contrib] |
| 03:53.22 | craigevil | 1:2.5: amd64 i386 |
| 03:54.19 | sshc | where can I find x? |
| 03:54.24 | sshc | dpkg: where can I find x? |
| 03:54.26 | dpkg | sshc: are you using Windows? |
| 03:54.37 | Ace2017-_ | in bash can i pipe to build.log as well has having scrolling text on the terminal? |
| 03:54.48 | simonrvn | oh it isn't, my bad |
| 03:55.07 | simonrvn | Ace2017-_: use tee |
| 03:55.17 | sshc | dpkg: a kind welcome to you too |
| 03:55.18 | dpkg | sshc: I give up, what is it? |
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| 03:55.38 | smacnay | Anyone using telepathy/empathy with any success or is it still too new to be considered stable? |
| 03:55.52 | pingouin | does hal mandatory with xorg ? |
| 03:56.01 | KC | well, youtube works |
| 03:56.07 | KC | i suppose thats enough |
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| 03:57.05 | BlizTark | hi can i install with only cd 1, or do i have to do net install for a single disk solution |
| 03:57.44 | KC | cd one includes the net install |
| 03:58.06 | KC | in fact, it requires the net |
| 03:58.39 | KC | how do you set up automatic updates? |
| 03:58.43 | Ace2017-_ | simonrvn: tee [OPTION]... [FILE]... is what the man page said, so do i use: tee ./build.sh build.log? or tee build.log ./build.sh? |
| 03:58.50 | BlizTark | i understand |
| 03:59.02 | KC | or even better, automatic security only |
| 03:59.07 | simonrvn | smacnay: it works, fairly well, but it's a bit buggy here and there. quite usable though. the bug is like in usage. i haven't seen it crash. |
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| 03:59.39 | Ace2017-_ | simonrvn: tested it both ways with dmesg instead of ./build.sh and it didn't work |
| 03:59.46 | simonrvn | what i mean by that - to clarify - is that it does some things that aren't expected. |
| 04:00.03 | Ace2017-_ | ah found it, like grep |
| 04:00.11 | simonrvn | Ace2017-_: usually people use it in a pipe, like foo blah | tee file.log |
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| 04:00.21 | Ace2017-_ | dmesg|tee build.log |
| 04:00.22 | Ace2017-_ | thanks |
| 04:00.48 | simonrvn | np |
| 04:01.31 | smacnay | simonrvn: which version are you running because I couldn't get any irc channels to start or ekiga to work. |
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| 04:01.56 | simonrvn | i haven't used to it irc or ekiga |
| 04:02.02 | simonrvn | it for* |
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| 04:02.36 | smacnay | simonrvn: ah, that would explain your relative success. thanks - I would like to have one app to replace xchat and pidgin (and ekiga too). |
| 04:04.35 | Orion_X11 | Hi. I have a problem here. I just made a clean debian 5.0 installation and I need ndiswrapper to install my wireless card, but synaptic says that there is no ndiswrapper package! How Am I installing my card now? |
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| 04:04.55 | Orion_X11 | I am stuck in windows now |
| 04:05.27 | KC | hmm |
| 04:05.33 | KC | I have ndiswrapper available |
| 04:05.44 | Ace2017-_ | grep '*****' build.log. the xorg wiki lists this for checking errors, but it doesn't work, why? |
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| 04:05.56 | KC | try 'aptitude search ndiswrapper' in the console |
| 04:06.00 | Ace2017-_ | is the syntax wrong? |
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| 04:06.18 | Orion_X11 | KC, In your dvd 5.0? |
| 04:06.35 | KC | Oh, no |
| 04:06.39 | KC | in the online repos |
| 04:06.46 | KC | I tossed the CD |
| 04:07.21 | Orion_X11 | If I had the repos on-line I was in already in the net |
| 04:07.27 | Ace2017-_ | Orion_X11: ndiswrapper-source, ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
| 04:07.38 | Orion_X11 | This is the problem. Ndisw is not on the dvd |
| 04:07.41 | Orion_X11 | :-( |
| 04:07.46 | KC | take the dvd out |
| 04:08.25 | KC | you will need a ethernet cable to set up your wireless |
| 04:08.50 | Orion_X11 | Ace2017-_, I know that I need those packages, but they are not in the dvd. This is the problem |
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| 04:09.30 | KC | if you don't have an eathernet cable... |
| 04:09.44 | GhostlyDeath | I'm using GNOME and Openoffice.org has no titlebar and is stuck in Fullscreen mode, how do I stop this? |
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| 04:10.14 | xavier | hi,everyone. I have install lenny base system +xfce. So cool |
| 04:10.37 | KC | Orion_X11 http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/ndiswrapper-common/download |
| 04:10.43 | ctr2 | =) |
| 04:10.44 | KC | tada |
| 04:10.45 | Orion_X11 | KC, I used to set up the card without the ethernet cable, when ndiswrapper was included in the dvd. Things are become more complicated :-( |
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| 04:11.14 | KC | see my link, get a flash drive or somethin |
| 04:11.24 | KC | or an extra blank |
| 04:12.03 | GhostlyDeath | I tried the "Move titlebar onscreen" but that does nothing |
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| 04:30.23 | Ace2017-_ | wait a sec, ndiswrapper is on the disk |
| 04:30.23 | Joelito | hi all...anyone know an easy pseudo-terminal that has copy and paste features? I'm looking one for my fluxbox desktop |
| 04:30.47 | Ace2017-_ | according to the package list its on the first dvd, nspluginwrapper_0.9.91.5-2_amd64.deb |
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| 04:33.02 | Orion_X11 | where is the place for me to put ndiswrapper-source for module-assistant to find that? |
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| 04:36.32 | hughszg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.56 | Alam_Debian | yea |
| 04:37.06 | Orion_X11 | Why did they took away ndiswrapper from debian 5.0? Only to complicate things for people like me who do not have cable connection :-( |
| 04:37.08 | hughszg | thank you |
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| 04:38.46 | Orion_X11 | Someone help me please > where is the place to put ndiswrapper-source for module assistant to find that |
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| 04:40.27 | Orion_X11 | I am stuck in windows, because I do not have cable connection to set up my wireless card because they took ndiswrapper away from debian 5.0 |
| 04:42.48 | craigevil | downlaod the packages then use dpkg to install them how hard is that |
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| 04:44.27 | mespejel | hello |
| 04:44.52 | mespejel | hmm any idea how to install the linux headers |
| 04:45.06 | mespejel | the command that i knew is not working |
| 04:45.09 | mespejel | on debian |
| 04:45.30 | Joelito | linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 04:45.51 | Orion_X11 | craigevil, I have downloaded, but module-assistant is looking for the right place of ndiswrapper-souce to install that, but I do not know where is that place |
| 04:46.36 | Orion_X11 | craigevil, I have to find the right place to put the source. |
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| 04:47.25 | craigevil | its a .deb package use dpkg to install it |
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| 04:47.54 | Internat | is there a fdisk, or equivently, command line way to say create parition 1 of type x for all of a given disk? Im basicly trying to through a script build my system and i need it to put a partition on the drive of LVM type |
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| 04:48.41 | Wyzard | Internat: Take a look at the "sfdisk" program |
| 04:49.02 | Wyzard | Internat: It's more low-level, less hand-holding but its interface seems more suitable for scripting |
| 04:49.15 | Orion_X11 | craigevil, it is not. It ir a tar.gz package > http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ndiswrapper-source |
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| 04:49.43 | craigevil | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-source_1.53-2_all.deb |
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| 04:51.26 | Orion_X11 | craigevil, :-) |
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| 04:51.48 | Orion_X11 | craigevil, I am going to debian now. Thx |
| 04:52.23 | Ace2017-_ | Orion_X11: found it, its on disk 2 |
| 04:52.49 | Ace2017-_ | the second dvd |
| 04:53.18 | Ace2017-_ | with something as large as a dvd wonder why ndiswrapper wasn't put on the first one |
| 04:53.25 | Orion_X11 | Ace2017-_, It shoud be in disk 1. Since many people depend on that and do not have cable connection to set up wireless cards |
| 04:53.35 | Wyzard | Ace2017-_: That could be said of any package on DVDs 2 through 5 |
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| 04:54.53 | Orion_X11 | That was a terrible mistake to put that in the disk 2 and not in disk 1 |
| 04:55.09 | Ace2017-_ | mistakes happen i guess |
| 04:55.35 | Ace2017-_ | but really its not that hard to use an ethernet cable |
| 04:55.41 | Ace2017-_ | so i guess its ok |
| 04:56.05 | Ace2017-_ | if you have wifi you probably have ethernet, just plug in and get the debs |
| 04:56.15 | Ace2017-_ | also ndiswrapper needs firmware |
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| 04:57.01 | Orion_X11 | Ace2017-_, I know, but not everyone have cable connection. The devs are thinking only in terms of developed countries. This is the problem. They take somethings for granted. |
| 04:57.48 | Orion_X11 | I have to go |
| 04:57.53 | Ace2017-_ | bye |
| 04:58.06 | Orion_X11 | to try to install those packages |
| 04:58.28 | Orion_X11 | I want to get out from windows which is where I am |
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| 04:59.05 | Ace2017-_ | oh |
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| 05:01.41 | Ace2017-_ | if Orion_X11 comes back give him this link: http://jedrm.wordpress.com/2006/09/12/howto-updateinstallupgrade-a-debian-box-with-no-internet/ |
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| 05:28.44 | plsd | how can I scroll up in gnome terminal? I think I was able to do that with shift+pageup before but that doesn't seem to work. |
| 05:29.25 | rhodescus | plsd: I always use the page up key, or the roll button on the mouse. |
| 05:29.37 | UndertakerX2 | could some one tell me how to fix "You don't have permission to access /phpMyAdmin/ on this server." |
| 05:29.48 | rhodescus | plsd: guess page up doesn't work |
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| 05:30.12 | plsd | rhodescus, nope, neither does the scroll wheel which goes through earlier commands |
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| 05:30.33 | rhodescus | plsd: my scroll wheel works. |
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| 05:32.44 | rhodescus | plsd: if a scroll bar isn't showing, under the options menu item, you can edit the current profile to turn on the scrollback buffer. |
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| 05:33.18 | rhodescus | plsd: because shift+pageup works for me |
| 05:34.02 | rhodescus | plsd: also, certain programs inactivate the scrollback buffer, like less, or vi. |
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| 05:34.52 | plsd | rhodescus, ah I opened a new terminal window and it seems it works there, it's screen that's giving me trouble |
| 05:35.05 | rhodescus | I'm trying to mount and ext3 formatted drive with pmount, but it won't mount as the mounting user. Can I accomplish that? |
| 05:35.31 | rhodescus | plsd: screen? |
| 05:35.56 | at0m|c | rhodescus: GNU screen? |
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| 05:36.10 | Mikaze | Anyone know the proper way to allow local users printer access properly...without going thru 90% of the documentation to find out? Kinda hard to skip all the non-applicable info when you can only listen to it. |
| 05:36.11 | plsd | yeah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen , I found a solution though |
| 05:36.27 | rhodescus | plsd: cool |
| 05:37.07 | Wyzard | rhodescus: If the drive isn't recognized as a removable one, you need to whitelist it in /etc/pmount.allow |
| 05:37.22 | CaT[t3] | mikaze: it should just work. :) |
| 05:37.37 | rhodescus | Wyzard: it is recognized, and mounts via pmount, but doesn't allow the mounting user access. |
| 05:37.40 | CaT[t3] | can't remember doing anything special oh so many moons ago |
| 05:37.59 | Mikaze | tries it again then. Thanks. |
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| 05:38.08 | rhodescus | plsd: must have its own scrollback buffer then. |
| 05:38.17 | Wyzard | rhodescus: normal ext3 ownership/permissions apply once the filesystem is mounted |
| 05:38.28 | Wyzard | rhodescus: You may need to chown/chmod the files on the drive |
| 05:38.33 | CaT[t3] | mikaze: at worst you might have to add them to a group, but i don't remember doing that. i use cups btw. |
| 05:38.51 | rhodescus | Wyzard: ok, so I can't really have an automatically portable drive with an ext3 filesystem? |
| 05:39.06 | rhodescus | Wyzard: I wanted to avoid a fat32 portable backup drive |
| 05:39.48 | Wyzard | rhodescus: You might want to look into formatting the drive with UDF |
| 05:40.13 | rhodescus | Wyzard: UDF? isn't that the rewritable optical filesystem format? |
| 05:40.13 | Wyzard | rhodescus: That doesn't have fat32's 4GB file-size limit, but also doesn't have owner/permissions that wouldn't make sense on a portable drive |
| 05:40.33 | rhodescus | Wyzard: OK, that's what I wanted |
| 05:40.39 | Wyzard | rhodescus: It can be used for a variety of things (the 'U' stands for "universal") |
| 05:40.42 | Mikaze | Kewl. Worked. Wonder why it didn't work before. |
| 05:40.44 | rhodescus | Wyzard: I hope :) |
| 05:41.04 | rhodescus | Wyzard: does it work under windows too? |
| 05:41.14 | epsilon | UDF yes |
| 05:41.21 | epsilon | FS on UDF-disk depends |
| 05:41.22 | Wyzard | rhodescus: I don't think XP supports it out-of-the-box -- or maybe it does but read-only |
| 05:41.27 | CaT[t3] | mikaze: obviously there was a babttle between fairies and gremlins in your pc. for a while they had the upper hand but in the end the fairies were victorious. :) |
| 05:41.41 | Wyzard | but it should be supported if there's a UDF writer installed (they come with CD burning tools like Nero) |
| 05:41.43 | Wyzard | and OSX supports it |
| 05:41.52 | rhodescus | OK, I will give it a try, windows is just extra anyways. Thanks! |
| 05:41.55 | Wyzard | dunno about Vista |
| 05:41.58 | epsilon | XP/Vista supports UDF out-of-box with current patches. Win 2000 required extra driver (from panasonic) |
| 05:42.07 | rhodescus | epsilon: cool |
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| 05:43.02 | Wyzard | epsilon: read/write? |
| 05:43.08 | Mikaze | Dunno about Debian any more. Half the time my screen reader doesn't start (gnome-orca). Starting to act like Windows, as far as the GUI goes. |
| 05:43.48 | CaT[t3] | mikaze: are there other screen readers you can try? |
| 05:43.49 | epsilon | I tested W2K read&write, XP/Vista read - haven't tested write access |
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| 05:44.24 | Mikaze | Not really. They're all crap, except for the CLI ones. |
| 05:44.27 | epsilon | and same UDF-disk with NTFS (yes, no 4GB-lmit) could be read in Debian without and problem |
| 05:44.45 | CaT[t3] | mikaze: bugger. :/ |
| 05:45.11 | CaT[t3] | mikaze: (ok. curious does it deal withj similies properly? :)) |
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| 05:46.04 | Mikaze | grins Orca only works with gnome apps, and KDE has another one for KDE apps that Debian doesn't support yet. |
| 05:46.55 | Mikaze | Least now I can write again. |
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| 05:47.47 | BUMBACL0T | hey, i have an old machine and i want to use it as my router, it has two NICs, wireless and wired. i'm wondering if there's any bootable distro that can do this? |
| 05:48.07 | CaT[t3] | nothing like going from etch->lenny with 1500 packages |
| 05:48.23 | CaT[t3] | then having to re-add your changes to the config files. whee |
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| 05:48.56 | Mikaze | Thought Lenny had over 23,000 packages. |
| 05:49.15 | CaT[t3] | yeah but I have 1500 installed :) |
| 05:49.32 | Mikaze | That's not nearly enough. |
| 05:49.48 | CaT[t3] | it isn't? |
| 05:49.49 | Wyzard | CaT[t3]: I wish Debian had Gentoo's tool for updating config files... it lets you do interactive merging right from the replace-or-not prompt |
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| 05:51.06 | rhodescus | epsilon: so I install udftools? |
| 05:51.15 | Mikaze | cp the merge prg to debian. |
| 05:51.21 | CaT[t3] | wyzard: well I could do something similar. flop back to shell, open up both files in vim and copy across what i need. |
| 05:52.17 | Wyzard | Mikaze: It'd need to be integrated into dpkg's code for prompting whether to replace a conffile |
| 05:53.18 | Mikaze | Should be able to use diff in a script and compare the new config against the dpkg-old one |
| 05:53.30 | CaT[t3] | dpkg allows you to do all that already |
| 05:53.31 | dpkg | CaT[t3]: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 05:53.43 | CaT[t3] | dpkg: I wish you would poke a duck. |
| 05:53.44 | dpkg | CaT[t3]: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 05:54.42 | scientes | are clickthoughs not banned in debian? |
| 05:54.43 | Wyzard | The current prompt lets you view a diff, but to merge you have to drop to a shell and do it manually |
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| 05:58.32 | Mikaze | Bragamugoolafritz! |
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| 06:00.08 | Mikaze | points. Look! |
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| 06:07.38 | s0lid | is there a way to make debian like a cisco router? |
| 06:08.05 | s0lid | im setting up a software router base on debian |
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| 06:08.44 | s0lid | the usual iptables masquerading changes the ip of eth1 to eth0 i need the eth1 to be seen in the internet |
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| 06:11.08 | at0m|c | s0lid: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/mektroid/weblog/2 "Creating a Debian router with 3 NIC" |
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| 06:11.30 | s0lid | at0m|c, thank you very much! |
| 06:12.07 | at0m|c | s0lid: not a straight howto, but informative nevertheless |
| 06:12.08 | brian|lfs | anyone having random hard locks in lenny? |
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| 06:36.31 | marupa | Hi everyone. Trying to install squeeze on a desktop and trying to get my drives partitioned, but for some reason whenever I select separate partitions, it gets to the final partition, and freezes. |
| 06:37.51 | Internat | out of interest, is there aargument for ssh that tells it to STFU and accept any security warnings regardless? |
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| 06:40.29 | marupa | Any suggestions for why it freezes? |
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| 06:40.51 | nsadmin | marupa: it's not the stable dist? |
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| 06:41.12 | marupa | nsadmin, well, considering lenny was released 6 days ago, it may as well be. |
| 06:41.35 | nsadmin | the next day about 2000 new packages hit squeeze |
| 06:41.46 | nsadmin | so, might as well be? |
| 06:42.13 | nsadmin | howbout install the lenny base and upgrade |
| 06:42.26 | marupa | nsadmin, It did this with etch before. |
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| 06:42.50 | nsadmin | same hardware? |
| 06:42.56 | marupa | nsadmin, yes |
| 06:43.23 | nsadmin | perhaps it's the hardware? |
| 06:43.44 | vsayikiran | a general query , is ktorrent a P2P software just lihe the kaaza |
| 06:44.00 | Wyzard | sounds like it's a BitTorrent client |
| 06:44.02 | marupa | possibly, but I can partition the same drive in another computer just fine, or another drive in that computer just fine. |
| 06:44.09 | Wyzard | which is P2P software, but not "just like KaZaA" |
| 06:44.15 | Wyzard | different protocol |
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| 06:44.49 | nsadmin | if you put in another drive, do you also change the cable? |
| 06:44.52 | vsayikiran | Wyzard: i mean whether ktorrent is a P2P client or not? |
| 06:44.59 | bittin` | KTorrent is a torrent client yes |
| 06:44.59 | marupa | nsadmin, yes. |
| 06:45.08 | marupa | nsadmin, er, wait. no. |
| 06:45.13 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: BitTorrent is P2P |
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| 06:45.29 | marupa | I thought you meant when putting it in another computer do I use another cable. |
| 06:45.30 | nsadmin | so you use the same cable, ok, so that rules the cable out |
| 06:45.36 | vsayikiran | Wyzard: so KTorrent is also a P2P client |
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| 06:45.43 | Wyzard | yes |
| 06:45.52 | marupa | it partitions 1,5,6,7,8, but dies at 9. |
| 06:46.20 | nsadmin | what if you tell it to just partition 1,5,6,7,8 |
| 06:46.24 | vsayikiran | Wyzard: so previously i was asking whether Kaaza is also a P2P software or not? |
| 06:46.38 | marupa | nsadmin, Haven't tried that, but I kinda want all those partitions. |
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| 06:47.50 | nsadmin | what's 9? |
| 06:47.57 | marupa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:48.38 | nsadmin | is /home "the rest of the drive"? |
| 06:48.43 | fprimex | is there any way, during a debian-installer installation, to install additional kernels? |
| 06:48.44 | marupa | yep |
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| 06:49.32 | nsadmin | what if you made it smaller by say 10mb pr sp |
| 06:49.45 | marupa | from the beginning or end? |
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| 06:50.00 | nsadmin | try each |
| 06:50.35 | marupa | so stock /, /usr, /tmp, /var but 10MB smaller /home? or -10MB from each? |
| 06:51.13 | nsadmin | well it's crashing at 9, so try making that one smaller |
| 06:51.45 | marupa | ok |
| 06:51.46 | nsadmin | also for giggles, try not having 9, just as a test |
| 06:51.57 | marupa | maybe add another one after 9? |
| 06:52.09 | marupa | like, /home and then something else after? |
| 06:52.28 | nsadmin | sure, you could try that... but try these one change at a time |
| 06:52.33 | marupa | ok |
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| 06:55.52 | nsadmin | btw have you tried another linux but same partitions? |
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| 06:59.12 | yarodin | where i can find patches for openoffice.org 1:2.4.1-17+b1 ? |
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| 06:59.49 | yarodin | on patch-tracking i see only patches for 1:2.4.1-17 |
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| 07:03.47 | marupa | nsadmin, yes. other linux distros will install. |
| 07:04.03 | scientes | if i disable the root account will i still be able to log in in single-user mode? |
| 07:04.39 | Guerin | scientes: yes. |
| 07:04.51 | Guerin | scientes: but don't disable the root account; it's idiotical. |
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| 07:05.12 | scientes | well you can still log in via ssh |
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| 07:09.53 | moqq | hey, i have the boost c++ dev libs (libboost-dev) 1.34 installed (lenny) - some sofware i'm using requires 1.36. should i just remove the package and install it from source from the boost site? or what's the best way to do this |
| 07:09.54 | marupa | nsadmin, ok, tried every single combination. Added a partition before and after, cut the partition in half,everything. It always gets stuck on the last one. |
| 07:13.50 | nsadmin | I wonder if a lenny install would work |
| 07:14.53 | fprimex | hitting esc and executing a shell worked for me |
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| 07:15.19 | marupa | I can try. When checking expert, I can choose stable, maybe that? |
| 07:15.42 | nsadmin | moqq: you could. but then whatever uses it you;d also install from source |
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| 07:16.25 | nsadmin | install it in your home dir or /usr/local (places debian packages are not supposed to touch) |
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| 07:17.18 | nsadmin | marupa: I'd try a different installer... if it turns out to be the partitioner (or what follows), we'd want to rule that out |
| 07:17.27 | marupa | ok. |
| 07:17.51 | nsadmin | also |
| 07:18.01 | nsadmin | have you checked the bts? |
| 07:18.09 | marupa | nsadmin, bts? |
| 07:18.19 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 07:18.20 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 07:20.24 | nsadmin | additionally... check with this installer, get to where it crashes and see what partitions are on the drive |
| 07:20.36 | marupa | *nod* |
| 07:20.58 | nsadmin | maybe you'd have to reboot with some rescue media and run fdisk -l |
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| 07:21.26 | nsadmin | so maybe it put all partitions on, maybe it failed to write the last one... |
| 07:22.19 | nsadmin | if it put all partitions, then we could continue testing under the assumption the problem is in the next thing the installer tries to start |
| 07:22.38 | marupa | Huh. I found the squeeze ISO easy, but I can't find the lenny ISO. (I wanted the netinst) |
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| 07:23.03 | badcrc | i'm having some trouble with my new laptop. it has the intel 5100 wlan card. i've been following http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn to try to get it to work, but so far no luck. i'm running debian unstable with kde4.2 from experimental. is there someone here who can help? |
| 07:23.16 | nsadmin | not sure what's up with that |
| 07:23.20 | nsadmin | !netinst |
| 07:23.20 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but which is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 07:23.57 | marupa | There we go. Thanks. |
| 07:24.36 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 07:25.45 | enouf | badcrc: 1st off, if you're using debian unstable ... you can fix it yourself |
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| 07:26.41 | enouf | badcrc: 2nd off, did you install the .28 ? |
| 07:27.08 | enouf | badcrc: those instructions actually work for Lenny |
| 07:27.38 | enouf | when it was written, Lenny was testing .. oh crap - it |
| 07:27.47 | enouf | 's been updated ;-) |
| 07:28.26 | badcrc | enouf: yes. i was afraid to go with 2.6.27 because of some issue with bricking my nic (e1000e). i actually tried it first with lenny. then i updated to testing, then unstable. |
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| 07:29.07 | enouf | then you updated? wtf? |
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| 07:29.42 | badcrc | ? i'm at a loss here. it didn't work at any step along the way. it's a new laptop, what've i got to lose? |
| 07:30.04 | enouf | bring it back? demand a working one? |
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| 07:30.46 | badcrc | works in vista / win7beta |
| 07:30.56 | badcrc | not hardware issue |
| 07:31.21 | badcrc | if i didn't think there was something that could be done to the software to get it to work, i wouldn't be here. there wouldn't be a point. |
| 07:33.06 | enouf | badcrc: i'm here, i have no hardware issues |
| 07:33.30 | enouf | there's no point i guess eh? |
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| 07:34.12 | badcrc | nope, not tonight i guess. |
| 07:35.15 | enouf | you haven't told us anything that can help us to help you yet - but you have provided a good background of specs and what you're using |
| 07:36.23 | badcrc | enouf: fair enough. since i've been here before i was initially fishing for willingness to help. i suppose i should work on my technique. |
| 07:36.28 | scientes | how do i get that synaptic "intro to packages" dialog back? |
| 07:36.40 | enouf | so, .. do i really need to ask; "what's the error message" ? |
| 07:36.45 | scientes | i tried --purgeing and reinstalling and it didnt work |
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| 07:36.59 | badcrc | enouf: i'm getting there... |
| 07:37.14 | enouf | scientes: /msg dpkg confmiss (perhaps) |
| 07:37.36 | enouf | scientes: i have no idea, i don't use GUI package manglers |
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| 07:38.11 | enouf | maybe it's a feature that's been removed, for whatever reasons |
| 07:38.23 | scientes | its just cause its for someone else so i want to preserve to first-time dialogs |
| 07:38.36 | scientes | it appears the first time you run synaptic and asks if you want to see it in the future |
| 07:38.58 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> ? |
| 07:39.04 | scientes | didnt work |
| 07:39.11 | enouf | otherwise what you see is a DE thing |
| 07:39.47 | enouf | smells like kde to me |
| 07:40.07 | scientes | its pure gtk |
| 07:40.18 | badcrc | http://pastebin.ca/1343544 contains the contents of /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log |
| 07:40.21 | scientes | nothing in gconf... whatever i dont really care |
| 07:40.58 | badcrc | i've followed the guide at the wiki mentioned previously. neither knetworkmanager nor the manual wpasupplicant method work. |
| 07:41.15 | badcrc | output from iwconfig in a moment |
| 07:41.16 | scientes | synaptic is pretty good you should try it |
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| 07:41.34 | badcrc | scientes: you have _got_ to be trolling |
| 07:41.47 | SerajewelKS | enouf: hey |
| 07:41.52 | scientes | lol |
| 07:41.57 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i may have figured out what was causing that kernel weirdness on 2.6.26 |
| 07:42.01 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ola |
| 07:42.12 | enouf | oh? |
| 07:42.27 | SerajewelKS | enouf: and -- it doesn't appear to be hardware-dependent. i have unwittingly replicated it inside a VM. |
| 07:42.34 | scientes | badcrc, have you ever tried out the rpm distros gui package managers? |
| 07:42.53 | badcrc | not willingly |
| 07:43.01 | badcrc | at work we use rhel4 |
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| 07:43.36 | badcrc | iwconfig output: http://pastebin.ca/1343544 |
| 07:43.50 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the only things my VM has in common with my desktop are: (1) linux-image-2.6.26-1-686, (2) SATA drives, and (3) lvm2 |
| 07:44.03 | enouf | badcrc: find knetworkmanglerrc in ~/.kde/apps/config/ or something and wipe that shit from you shoes |
| 07:44.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: virtualized SATA drives, that is. and the emulated controller is not anywhere near the one on my desktop. |
| 07:44.48 | enouf | SerajewelKS: you'll have to refresh my tired old brainfart riddled memory |
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| 07:44.58 | SerajewelKS | enouf: so i believe that SATA in 2.6.26 is broken, or SATA+lvm2 in 2.6.26 is broken |
| 07:45.13 | SerajewelKS | enouf: on 2.6.26 processes on my box would randomly start going into uninterruptible sleep |
| 07:45.14 | enouf | which sata? all sata? |
| 07:45.20 | SerajewelKS | enouf: presumably waiting on HD I/O |
| 07:45.23 | enouf | oh ... ahhh |
| 07:45.27 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i am unsure, but it seems that way |
| 07:45.38 | enouf | i think your mobo sucks ass ;-) |
| 07:45.40 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i am trying to isolate the factors that trigger it |
| 07:45.46 | enouf | smart |
| 07:45.52 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if it was my mobo then this would not be happening in a VM |
| 07:45.53 | enouf | imtelligent even |
| 07:46.02 | enouf | why not? |
| 07:46.08 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the VM emulates a completely different set of devices |
| 07:46.13 | enouf | where do you think the VM get's it's info? |
| 07:46.19 | SerajewelKS | enouf: from the VM software |
| 07:46.25 | enouf | run an lspci IN THE VM |
| 07:46.29 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yes, i do |
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| 07:46.39 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the results are very different from lspci on the host |
| 07:46.46 | enouf | vmwarez sucks ass, and that doesn't make it different |
| 07:46.50 | SerajewelKS | in fact they are completely different |
| 07:46.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: who said i was using vmware |
| 07:46.58 | enouf | you can't get USB support, why not? |
| 07:47.04 | enouf | oh |
| 07:47.17 | enouf | no they aren'y |
| 07:47.24 | enouf | don't be an asshat |
| 07:47.24 | SerajewelKS | i am using virtualbox. all of the devices are emulated, except the CPU. |
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| 07:47.34 | enouf | no |
| 07:47.55 | SerajewelKS | you think that the VM is going to let the guest OS talk directly to my SATA controller? right. |
| 07:47.55 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: I'm using LVM on dm-crypt on md-raid on SATA disks on 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 07:48.01 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: I've noticed no problems |
| 07:48.15 | enouf | how does something like kvm know if your CPU has svm or vmx? |
| 07:48.26 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ah, the CPU is different, as i have noted |
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| 07:48.42 | SerajewelKS | >> 02:47 < SerajewelKS> i am using virtualbox. all of the devices are emulated, except the CPU. |
| 07:48.59 | enouf | was but an example SerajewelKS |
| 07:49.02 | SerajewelKS | the CPU is virtualized, and /proc/cpuinfo is identical on the host and guest |
| 07:49.30 | scientes | SerajewelKS, cpus arnt virtualized in certain virtualization situations |
| 07:49.34 | SerajewelKS | enouf: given the same VM configuration, lspci returns identical information to me regardless of the host environment -- even on windows |
| 07:49.39 | SerajewelKS | scientes: i am aware |
| 07:49.42 | scientes | what is the virt software? |
| 07:49.52 | enouf | make it happen using a completely diff sata controller and we'll talk |
| 07:49.57 | SerajewelKS | scientes: but it's the only thing that is directly virtualized -- e.g. the only thing the guest can really tinker with |
| 07:50.09 | SerajewelKS | scientes: virtualbox |
| 07:50.12 | enouf | a HARDWARE one |
| 07:50.15 | marupa | nsadmin, straight lenny didn't work. |
| 07:50.33 | scientes | SerajewelKS, i prefer kvm if you have the hardware |
| 07:50.41 | badcrc | i am just going to bail tonight. enouf, thanks for the help. i'll try again tomorrow |
| 07:50.50 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the fact that the guest completely craps out and the host runs fine is enough for me to declare that it is not an issue with my specific SATA controller. i would expect the host to die and the guest to run (as well as it can with an unresponsive virtual drive) |
| 07:50.58 | SerajewelKS | scientes: i don't care what you prefer, frankly |
| 07:51.11 | enouf | badcrc: sounds very er .. gala ;-) |
| 07:51.34 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i don't care |
| 07:51.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if the guest was triggering a kernel bug w/rt my SATA controller i would expect the host to freak out as well |
| 07:51.39 | vy | Hi! Despite I can see specific characters produced using AltGr combination in "xev" output, I cannot make AltGr work in urxvt or Firefox. (Consider "AltGr+q" which should produce "@".) Suprisingly, AltGr+q works in textboxes of WindowMaker configuration menu. Any ideas? |
| 07:51.41 | aidan | I'm having a problem with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=331661 ... they've removed the saxon.jar's form the package, and now my pdf engine is broken. How can I install the jars? |
| 07:52.07 | SerajewelKS | enouf: shrug, i thought you'd be happy to see i've made some diagnostic headway on this issue. whatever, i'll leave you out of the loop if you want. |
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| 07:52.23 | SerajewelKS | i don't need to be treated like a dick for trying to debug a kernel issue |
| 07:52.33 | enouf | fine - thanks - usually i DO care, but not under false pretenses |
| 07:52.35 | SerajewelKS | a very complicated and frustrating bug at that |
| 07:52.43 | enouf | sorry - i didn;t mean to |
| 07:52.46 | alkisg | Can I make a RAID 0 with multiple partitions with debian installer, or I have to make it with a live system before installing debian? |
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| 07:53.17 | enouf | SerajewelKS: really - my sincere apologies if i came off as rude and a dick |
| 07:53.38 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm just not aware of how a situation where the guest VM must redirect reads/writes to a file on the host could possibly have anything to do with the host SATA controller, from the guest's perspective |
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| 07:53.59 | SerajewelKS | enouf: mine as well, i'm a bit combative when to me my synopsis is obvious and i have trouble explaining what's in my head |
| 07:54.03 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i've been wrong before .. and will be again ... so |
| 07:54.10 | marupa | Any suggestions on why the installer is freezing on my drive? |
| 07:54.27 | SerajewelKS | scientes: and i didn't mean to snap at you either, but i'm not sure what your preference has to do with me debugging the kernel :) |
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| 07:54.44 | scientes | SerajewelKS, true |
| 07:54.50 | scientes | and i asked in the first place |
| 07:55.29 | enouf | SerajewelKS: can you atleast remind me of which sata controllers are involved? and what your BIOS settings are concerning sata drive modes? |
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| 07:55.35 | SerajewelKS | so -- basically, if the host is stable accessing my SATA drives, and the guest takes a crap accessing its virtual SATA drives (which are files on the host system) to me that means that the guest OS is freaking out with the emulated SATA controller, or lvm, or something |
| 07:55.50 | SerajewelKS | enouf: on the host: 02:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 03) |
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| 07:55.59 | SerajewelKS | enouf: this controller works fine with 2.6.28 |
| 07:56.00 | enouf | you should be using things like vmstat and iotop - have you? |
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| 07:56.06 | enouf | aff |
| 07:56.11 | enouf | ahh even |
| 07:56.19 | SerajewelKS | i think i did at one point, yes |
| 07:56.25 | SerajewelKS | the problem is this usually happens while i am asleep :/ |
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| 07:56.33 | SerajewelKS | i wake up to a frozen VM |
| 07:56.37 | enouf | ... |
| 07:56.38 | SerajewelKS | but the symptoms are all identical |
| 07:56.48 | enouf | SerajewelKS: blame your spouse? |
| 07:56.56 | H2S04 | enouf, look who it is! |
| 07:56.58 | SerajewelKS | and this one VM -- where i am using SATA *and* lvm -- is the only one i have issues with |
| 07:57.00 | enouf | SerajewelKS: or the pets? :-) |
| 07:57.08 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i am in a dorm, and my roommate is away, plus i keep my desktop locked :P |
| 07:57.18 | enouf | ... |
| 07:57.27 | SerajewelKS | however |
| 07:57.34 | SerajewelKS | the good news is that this is absolutely consistent |
| 07:57.39 | SerajewelKS | i have not woken up to a working VM yet |
| 07:57.49 | SerajewelKS | so something in the VM config is making the kernel take a shit |
| 07:57.49 | enouf | ... ... |
| 07:57.53 | SerajewelKS | which means i have isolated something |
| 07:58.20 | SerajewelKS | seems like bad news but to me it means now i can take a snapshot and have a consistent testing area |
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| 07:58.30 | enouf | are you uswsusp/s2ram/disk/powernow/ something? |
| 07:58.33 | SerajewelKS | enouf: btw, in the VM: 02:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 03) |
| 07:58.42 | SerajewelKS | enouf: no, not on the guest nor the host |
| 07:58.49 | SerajewelKS | erm |
| 07:58.56 | SerajewelKS | dammit, that's from the host |
| 07:59.06 | SerajewelKS | clipboard integration fail |
| 07:59.16 | enouf | CPU temps? |
| 07:59.22 | enouf | smartmontools? |
| 07:59.47 | SerajewelKS | well the pciid is 8086:2829 (rev 02), in the guest |
| 07:59.56 | SerajewelKS | CPU temps have been ~30C recently |
| 08:00.03 | SerajewelKS | sometimes 15C when i forget to close the window :/ |
| 08:00.07 | enouf | SerajewelKS: make it emulate say .. pata_marvell |
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| 08:00.22 | cmatheson | i was rsyncing one hosts / to another (dangerous, i know), and the connection got interrupted. i still have an ssh session to the remote host, but when i try to run a command, i get "-bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory". but if i run "[ -x /bin/ls ] && yes", the file does exist (and is executable)--any idea what is going on? |
| 08:00.26 | SerajewelKS | haha, i'm not sure i'm qualified to author a virtual device |
| 08:00.41 | SerajewelKS | i do plan on trying non-SATA tonight and seeing what happens |
| 08:00.48 | SerajewelKS | if it boots fine i know SATA at least plays a part |
| 08:00.54 | enouf | right .. that's my point - but whatever |
| 08:00.54 | SerajewelKS | erm if it runs fine |
| 08:01.11 | SerajewelKS | yup, my plan is to turn things on and off |
| 08:01.21 | SerajewelKS | compile a list of what works and what explodes |
| 08:01.36 | SerajewelKS | then maybe lkml can take a look |
| 08:01.42 | SerajewelKS | and with any luck a patch will reach lenny |
| 08:02.09 | enouf | all a VM does is isolate shit - you can't overcome broken hardware by containing some instructions/code in a VM - until you get into the CPU VT stuffs |
| 08:02.54 | H2S04 | sends enouf eggs. |
| 08:03.04 | enouf | otherwise, why would you/we even need a PC at all? |
| 08:03.12 | SerajewelKS | no, i can't -- but the host is now stable on 2.6.28 |
| 08:03.28 | enouf | just buy some RAM,.. enough to have a VM |
| 08:03.37 | SerajewelKS | the virtual SATA device in the VM redirects reads/writes into a file on the host |
| 08:03.44 | H2S04 | plugs enouf into his ram |
| 08:03.49 | SerajewelKS | so if the host is stable, the guest should be stable by that logic -- and it's not |
| 08:03.55 | enouf | SerajewelKS: oh .. right - .25.x and .28 work? |
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| 08:04.03 | SerajewelKS | enouf: .24 and .28 |
| 08:04.03 | enouf | and .24? |
| 08:04.08 | SerajewelKS | enouf: .25 suffers the same issue |
| 08:04.17 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i forgot all that ... :-/ |
| 08:04.19 | SerajewelKS | .25-.26 are broken for me. have not tried .27 |
| 08:04.30 | SerajewelKS | however fuse on .24 was hopelessly fucked |
| 08:04.42 | SerajewelKS | like kernel panic fucked |
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| 08:04.56 | SerajewelKS | .28 has been absolutely rock solid on this box |
| 08:05.01 | enouf | H2S04: you're so sad .. you're not even capable of making your client highlight my nick |
| 08:05.02 | newsense | i have a private ip assigned via dhcp from my gateway/router, what options if any do i have for dyndns ? |
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| 08:05.06 | enouf | i pity thee |
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| 08:05.21 | SerajewelKS | enouf: was the RAM comment directed at me btw? cause i have 4gb |
| 08:05.43 | enouf | just forget it .. i was babbling |
| 08:05.46 | SerajewelKS | haha ok |
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| 08:06.18 | Myxb | hi! anybody here with a BCM4328 wireless card on Lenny? how does it work? |
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| 08:06.26 | enouf | now, have you tried Debian vs kernel.org kernel versions? Built your own using make-kpkg from debian sources? |
| 08:06.35 | H2S04 | enouf, My client doesn't have any highlighters left. |
| 08:06.52 | enouf | H2S04: bravo - you finally did something right |
| 08:06.59 | H2S04 | enouf, he used them all in the paper. |
| 08:07.18 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the 2.6.28 kernel on this box was build with make-kpkg |
| 08:07.59 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i expect that it would work in the VM as well, except that the VM arch is x86, not amd64. so one of the things on my list of diagnostic todos is build 2.6.28 for i686 and try that in the VM |
| 08:08.07 | enouf | Myxb: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 08:08.16 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i've got about five things to try |
| 08:08.28 | enouf | SerajewelKS: cool - ok |
| 08:08.44 | enouf | SerajewelKS: er .. but which sources? |
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| 08:08.48 | newsense | Myxb: i use the 4318 and it works great, i was reading some airmon-ng documentation and they suggested the "airforce1" broadcom line of chips was second to the atheros chips |
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| 08:09.05 | SerajewelKS | right now i am booting it with the SATA controller disabled and the three virtual hard drives attached to the virtual IDE controllers |
| 08:09.08 | enouf | <SerajewelKS> enouf: the 2.6.28 kernel on this box was build with make-kpkg .. but which sources? |
| 08:09.14 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the vanilla kernel.org sources |
| 08:09.31 | enouf | SerajewelKS: and the failing .25 and .26 ? |
| 08:09.37 | SerajewelKS | stock debian |
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| 08:09.53 | SerajewelKS | (not self-built) |
| 08:10.18 | enouf | how about 2.6.25 / .26 ? kernel.org ? |
| 08:10.25 | enouf | i mean |
| 08:10.25 | Myxb | newsense: BCM4328 i have is slightly different. i want to avoid ndiswrapper, that's why i ask... |
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| 08:10.52 | newsense | Myxb: look at linuxwireless.org |
| 08:10.52 | SerajewelKS | enouf: right. 2.6.25/.26 were not built by me, i was using the ones provided by debian. |
| 08:10.55 | enouf | SerajewelKS: im trying to isolate it between a possible Debian patch vs kernel.org stock |
| 08:10.58 | SerajewelKS | enouf: same with .24 |
| 08:11.05 | SerajewelKS | enouf: right, i have not tried 2.6.26 from kernel.org |
| 08:11.07 | enouf | SerajewelKS: but this is where we were last time |
| 08:11.13 | enouf | why not? |
| 08:11.25 | SerajewelKS | because at that point i just wanted my box to not die |
| 08:11.29 | enouf | why are you dicking around with VMs instead? |
| 08:11.39 | enouf | ... |
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| 08:11.50 | SerajewelKS | now that i have a VM to dick with i am going to try as many permutations as i can, since it's reproducible in there, where i couldn't give a shit |
| 08:11.54 | enouf | .28 makes you happy |
| 08:12.07 | enouf | you already knew that |
| 08:12.15 | enouf | SerajewelKS: no |
| 08:12.20 | SerajewelKS | right, but that means i either need to build .28 for i686 for all my VMs, or the lenny kernel needs to be patched |
| 08:12.25 | enouf | it's not the same - where are you going to compile? |
| 08:12.30 | enouf | within the VM? |
| 08:12.30 | firefox | so xorg refuses to work with anything but Driver "vesa".. ans dpkg-reconfigure actually breaks it... not to mention... that I still get opengl... crazy... I'm just gonna let it do its think |
| 08:12.36 | SerajewelKS | either on my host or in the VM (or another VM) |
| 08:12.48 | SerajewelKS | hell or my laptop |
| 08:12.54 | enouf | now you're isolating regions of RAM even before you ever even test! |
| 08:13.09 | SerajewelKS | you think my ram is faulty? |
| 08:13.10 | enouf | i've had enough |
| 08:13.14 | enouf | !enouf |
| 08:13.14 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 08:13.49 | SerajewelKS | i thought my 6-hour memtest run dispelled that idea |
| 08:14.21 | SerajewelKS | it's not bulletproof but it's pretty damn intense |
| 08:15.05 | SerajewelKS | i'll compile it on four different boxen and cmp the results if that will prove anything... |
| 08:17.01 | SerajewelKS | anyway, time for bed. the VM is running with no SATA controller, let's see what happens in the morning. |
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| 08:19.57 | SerajewelKS | plus, i mean i do far more ram-intensive things than this and they seem to work ok, so pragmatically i have to assume that my ram is functioning ok if i'm going to make any headway into this problem. if it is the ram it will manifest itself way before i'm running a VM -- and i doubt a ram issue would affect just this *one* VM, which just so happens to have a configuration closely matching my desktop when it was having issues with 2.6.26. |
| 08:20.03 | SerajewelKS | at least that's how my mind is processing the data |
| 08:20.06 | SerajewelKS | is out |
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| 08:26.32 | zaza | zaza__zaza__1985@hotmail.com |
| 08:26.37 | zaza | come |
| 08:26.39 | zaza | woman |
| 08:27.11 | orgthingy | :p |
| 08:28.19 | icenine | lol. you're just going to get a bunch of emails from dudes pretending to be girl snow |
| 08:29.11 | thims | aswell as a bunch of spam soon |
| 08:29.41 | icenine | indeed man. the internets are savage |
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| 08:35.09 | simonrvn | what a dumbfuck... |
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| 08:53.35 | Zitter | (sorry if this question seems stupid). which apt-get to install new kernel? is apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 good, for example? |
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| 08:59.35 | simonrvn | Zitter: find a more current one |
| 08:59.43 | simonrvn | !tell Zitter -about search |
| 09:00.03 | Zitter | ok |
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| 09:03.27 | dureyes | I don't like the bloated software that goes with the default desktop installation on Debian 5.0, can someone give me a site that will show me how to do a custom install where I can choose what I want to install? |
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| 09:03.57 | enouf | Zitter: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 09:05.04 | enouf | dureyes: just install the de, then remove what you don't want |
| 09:05.15 | enouf | then when you break it, you know who to blame |
| 09:05.48 | dureyes | thats alot of unistall, rather install min Desktop and than install what I really use. |
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| 09:06.33 | dureyes | for example KDE is a beautiful desktop, but they added so much that its confusing. |
| 09:06.50 | enouf | a lot of uninstall? have fun |
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| 09:07.25 | enouf | !be a apt-get remove --purge barbie |
| 09:07.25 | dpkg | Aww, apt-get remove --purge is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
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| 09:10.43 | simonrvn | !remove kde |
| 09:10.43 | dpkg | methinks remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data |
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| 09:11.17 | nsadmin | dpkg --purge barbie is less typing :P |
| 09:11.17 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up barbie is less typing :P all over nsadmin and Akufen... |
| 09:11.56 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:12.00 | alkisg | I'm trying to install Debian Lenny with the KDE cd. I have 4 RAID partitions, I specify where to mount them but I get an error about notifying the kernel about the partition table changes, and that I won't be able to access /dev/md0 (and md1,md2,md3) until I reboot. So how can I install to RAID if I need to reboot every time??? |
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| 09:12.21 | Pendrag01 | My friend has a celeron 400mhz 128mb sdram 133mhz |
| 09:12.21 | Pendrag01 | what would be the best GUI linux flavor for that box... |
| 09:12.34 | Pendrag01 | I was thinking Mandrake or Ubuntu |
| 09:12.42 | simonrvn | openbox3 or console + framebuffer |
| 09:12.54 | enouf | don't think, know |
| 09:13.16 | debnewb | hello everyone, I just upgraded from etch to lenny. I cannot get xgl to work in my GUI "kde" I have an old geforce2 mx, It was working before I did the upgrade. I tried installing the drivers off the nvidia web site, they work but no xgl. am I missing something simple? There doesn't seem to be any supporting drivers in the repositories anymore either. I have to use 71xx drivers. |
| 09:13.21 | enouf | also, add 2x more DIMMs of atleast 128 each |
| 09:13.24 | simonrvn | mandrake or ubuntu are going to be too bloated by default.... |
| 09:13.32 | Pendrag01 | Ponder that guys, my friend has a "celeron 400mhz 128mb sdram 133mhz" what would be the best linux Os for him, he needs a gui to browse the net and check email |
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| 09:14.16 | enouf | if dmidecode says it can take 256 sticks, go for it, btw, pc100 is compatible with pc133 and vice-versa |
| 09:14.33 | simonrvn | Pendrag01: we did "ponder that" |
| 09:14.48 | enouf | just make sure you get low-density DIMMs |
| 09:14.55 | simonrvn | debnewb: don't use xgl, use plain xorg, it has the required support |
| 09:15.05 | thims | what package provides /usr/share/dict/words? I couldnt find wordlist |
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| 09:15.35 | simonrvn | it's a symlink |
| 09:15.41 | enouf | alkisg: sounds like you hit this snag - but it's been fixed a while now |
| 09:15.48 | simonrvn | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 2009-02-16 19:10 words -> /etc/dictionaries-common/words |
| 09:15.55 | debnewb | simonrvn I am using xorg. maybe I've made an error in my statment. I just cannot get opengl to work. |
| 09:16.12 | thims | dictionaries-common, ah. cool thanks simonrvn |
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| 09:16.27 | alkisg | enouf: I downloaded the lenny .iso today, should I download a testing daily build? |
| 09:16.39 | enouf | alkisg: this one http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto |
| 09:17.08 | enouf | alkisg: wait., what? i must misunderstand |
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| 09:17.33 | simonrvn | debnewb: you need composite enabled. you need to enable renderwithcomposite, install the *debian* nvidia-glx-legacy (i think, check the supported cards), and you need to read the nvidia-glx kernel source -legacy README that nvidia provides |
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| 09:18.08 | alkisg | enouf: I downloaded the lenny iso today, the "KDE #1" CD. |
| 09:18.32 | Pendrag01 | simonrvn: What about "Mac on a Stick" |
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| 09:19.10 | yarodin | where i can get patches for openoffice 1:2.4.1-17+b1 ? |
| 09:19.13 | simonrvn | never heard of it. if it's not debian, it's not supported here. |
| 09:19.22 | simonrvn | !sdn |
| 09:19.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
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| 09:19.31 | enouf | alkisg: how do you have 4 raid partitions? |
| 09:19.32 | simonrvn | yarodin: ^^^ |
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| 09:20.06 | simonrvn | md0->3 ;) |
| 09:20.09 | wp | hi, anyone else running 5.0 on a vserver? im getting the message: starting kernel log daemon.... and it wont come out? :) |
| 09:20.14 | enouf | alkisg: and note; each /dev/mdX is a mdadm array |
| 09:20.28 | alkisg | enouf: I created 4 partitions in 2 disks => 8 partitions in total. And I joined them 2 by 2 into 4 raid partitions |
| 09:20.38 | Pendrag01 | simonrvn, No shit it isn't supported here, but I used to admin this chanel, but THE Debian CHANNEL has the smartest people on the net, that is why I asked here. |
| 09:20.48 | enouf | alkisg: when? |
| 09:20.50 | alkisg | enouf: all this from within debian installer |
| 09:21.02 | alkisg | Today :) |
| 09:21.06 | simonrvn | Pendrag01: i don't care if you were the DPL. |
| 09:21.09 | enouf | ok then - it wasn't clear if they were there prior |
| 09:21.12 | debnewb | simonrvn I tried nvidia-glx-legacy first and could not get video. when I uninstalled that and installed the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.06-pkg1.run. Do I set renderwithcomposite in xorg.conf? |
| 09:21.13 | alkisg | Then I rebooted, tried to install but I get this error |
| 09:21.20 | yarodin | simonrvn: all packages on this site is ancient |
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| 09:21.31 | simonrvn | debnewb: yes |
| 09:21.37 | enouf | alkisg: 4 raid arrays |
| 09:21.42 | simonrvn | yarodin: um, yeh. |
| 09:21.43 | enouf | alkisg: not partitions |
| 09:21.57 | alkisg | enouf: yes, sorry about the wrong terminology |
| 09:22.14 | enouf | alkisg: so you made each one raid 1? mirrored |
| 09:22.21 | alkisg | raid 0 all of them |
| 09:22.24 | simonrvn | Pendrag01: i used to be an op in this chan. what's your point? |
| 09:22.48 | yarodin | simonrvn: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org/msg19851.html |
| 09:22.57 | yarodin | why it's not debian? |
| 09:22.57 | Pendrag01 | I already made it man, chill out, I don't need someone telling me what the purpose of this chanel is for, just like I am sure you don't either |
| 09:23.22 | Pendrag01 | BTW, OpenOffice isn't debian either, but you don't see me busting yardin's balls |
| 09:23.31 | simonrvn | Pendrag01: then don't ask off-topic questions. simple. |
| 09:23.44 | yarodin | wow |
| 09:23.53 | yarodin | i'm got it, few |
| 09:24.04 | simonrvn | because it's relevnt. you came in and asked about mandriva or ubuntu for your friend's box. *that* isn't debian. *plonk* |
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| 09:24.28 | simonrvn | yarodin: see? |
| 09:24.31 | simonrvn | :) |
| 09:24.40 | zophy | will lenny always be lenny, so that a year from now i can power up a dormant machine and update it from the lenny pool ? |
| 09:24.54 | plsd | zophy, lenny will always be lenny |
| 09:25.24 | yarodin | simonrvn: yep |
| 09:25.48 | alkisg | enouf: hmmmm... I switched to tty4 to see the error messages, and I get "kernel: hdb: lost interrupt". Is that severe? I connected the (IDE) disks today, maybe I misconnected some jumber - but BIOS detects the disks ok... |
| 09:25.52 | yarodin | but if i'm need in patch from gentoo portage for openoffice, i go to #gentoo for example |
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| 09:26.23 | enouf | alkisg: possible |
| 09:26.32 | debnewb | simonrvn thank you so much. it works now! |
| 09:26.47 | enouf | alkisg: check - now; which bootloader? |
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| 09:27.03 | simonrvn | oh, i was talking your openoffice 1:2.4.1-17+b1 request |
| 09:27.20 | simonrvn | where did you find it? |
| 09:27.27 | simonrvn | debnewb: cool |
| 09:27.32 | alkisg | enouf: I also have 3 more non-raid partitions, in 1 of them I'll put grub |
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| 09:27.50 | enouf | alkisg: is /boot one of those? |
| 09:28.09 | alkisg | enouf: Yes, I specified this in the debian installer (before it hanged :() |
| 09:28.14 | enouf | ok |
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| 09:28.44 | enouf | alkisg: grub installed ok? |
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| 09:29.11 | enouf | alkisg: did you start in 'expert' mode? |
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| 09:30.57 | jintxo | I'm looking for a popular iCal server for lenny, any suggestions or good experiences? |
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| 09:32.20 | nsadmin | jintxo: you might want to start with a list of all ical servers |
| 09:32.29 | yarodin | simonrvn: http://people.debian.org/~rene/openoffice.org/lenny/ |
| 09:32.35 | alkisg | enouf: no, installation hanged while writing the partition table, so grub didn't get installed. Yes, I started in expert mode. |
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| 09:33.32 | enouf | alkisg: i would file a bug report, atleast first ensure it's not a hardware issue |
| 09:34.16 | simonrvn | yarodin: of course, from the maintainer's debian site :) |
| 09:34.37 | rohan | i am trying to install debian using pen drive and KDE CD1 iso. however, it does not actuall install KDE, as the actual cd install would. i think this is because the installer is not getting preseeded from the cd. how do i ensure that i have an install same as if i would have installed using KDE CD1? |
| 09:35.33 | enouf | alkisg: it would appear, as best i can tell, your existing OS (windows?) has either a) messed up your disks or b) hijacked them |
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| 09:36.52 | enouf | alkisg: oh, also - in BIOS ensure you have no Anti-Virus protect the MBR and that i'ts unlocked, so yo speak |
| 09:37.02 | enouf | s/yo/to |
| 09:37.18 | alkisg | enouf: actually I had to use the ubuntu 8.10 alternate cd (=debian installer again) to create the raid arrays, because the lenny installer (newer or older version? I don't know) hanged even while creating the array (not only using it). |
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| 09:37.41 | alkisg | enouf: I'm trying to install ubuntu from the alternate cd now, to verify that my hardware/partition table etc are ok |
| 09:38.17 | enouf | alkisg: rather than double check the cables, jumpers, connections? |
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| 09:39.05 | firefox | enouf: amarok does play videos (well it has an addon just like my old setup),,, I'm going full amarok, lol |
| 09:39.47 | enouf | firefox: great - i use mplayer, others use vlc, some use xine, and still others use something else |
| 09:40.33 | firefox | enouf: I'm an mplayer fan. vlc gets way to choppy |
| 09:40.47 | omri | is there a command for expanding a relative path? |
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| 09:41.11 | debian_noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.11 | enouf | tab completion |
| 09:41.18 | debian_noob | it is not being recognized |
| 09:41.25 | omri | enouf: from a script .. |
| 09:41.27 | debian_noob | for example i have to open a .jpg file with EOG |
| 09:41.36 | debian_noob | even the .desktop files are being opened with gedit |
| 09:41.43 | debian_noob | does any body know the problem? |
| 09:41.44 | alkisg | enouf: Yes, I guess if I can see/handle the partitions then my cables are probably OK... Not 100%, but I'll check this first anyway :) |
| 09:42.14 | debian_noob | any idea? |
| 09:42.18 | debian_noob | i use GNOME |
| 09:42.36 | nsadmin | debian_noob open the file with the app you want to open it with |
| 09:42.50 | enouf | debian_noob: gconf-editor? |
| 09:43.02 | nsadmin | example, open a jpg with an image editor or image viewer |
| 09:43.03 | debian_noob | i am doing that nsadmin |
| 09:43.15 | enouf | debian_noob: gnome-control-[tab][tab] > |
| 09:43.17 | enouf | ? |
| 09:43.20 | debian_noob | but usually when i double click it , it opens |
| 09:43.23 | amphi | gthumb and gtkview are good IMHO |
| 09:43.39 | amphi | debian_noob: perhaps that's nautilus's settings? |
| 09:43.53 | nsadmin | no, you're double clicking on an icon |
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| 09:43.58 | antii | hmm, changed my hostname in /etc/hostname and restarted hostname.sh and checked my phpsysinfo and it said "Unknown" on hostname |
| 09:43.59 | debian_noob | amphi it was working until yesterday |
| 09:44.02 | enouf | debian_noob: i don't use gnome |
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| 09:44.08 | amphi | nor I |
| 09:44.15 | debian_noob | i ran apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:44.15 | omri | antii: did you update your /etc/hosts ? |
| 09:44.24 | debian_noob | and after that all gone |
| 09:44.29 | antii | sudo /etc/init.d/hostname.sh start |
| 09:44.30 | antii | omri: ? |
| 09:44.37 | nsadmin | what did you upgrade to? |
| 09:44.43 | omri | antii: no, edit /etc/hosts, update the 127.0.0.1 line |
| 09:44.48 | amphi | nor kde for that matter *cough* enough *cough* |
| 09:44.49 | debian_noob | nsadmin:means?? |
| 09:44.51 | nsadmin | btw, upgrades change things... didja notice? |
| 09:44.53 | amphi | ;) |
| 09:44.57 | amphi | er, enouf |
| 09:44.57 | antii | omri: how? |
| 09:45.00 | omri | antii: also, try restarting apache, HOSTNAME is an environment variable |
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| 09:45.05 | alkisg | enouf: I got the same error with the ubuntu alternate cd: "The kernel was unable to re-read the partition table on /dev/md1 (Invalid argument). This means Linux won't know anything about the modifications you made until you reboot. You should reboot your computer before doing anything with /dev/md1." |
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| 09:45.08 | omri | maybe it gets the hostname off of that. |
| 09:45.11 | antii | omri: have restarted, and can see my new name in uname -a |
| 09:45.14 | enouf | amphi: must've been a furr ball :-P |
| 09:45.19 | debian_noob | nsadmin: i run sid |
| 09:45.22 | amphi | heh |
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| 09:45.29 | debian_noob | nsadmin: so i upgraded to sid |
| 09:45.29 | alkisg | enouf: And of course I can't install if I get this on every boot... :) - OK, checking cables... |
| 09:45.31 | omri | antii: grep 127.0.0.1 /etc/hosts |
| 09:45.41 | nsadmin | debian_noob: then you're expected to be able to work through problems |
| 09:45.47 | enouf | alkisg: you don't need to reboot |
| 09:45.51 | antii | omri: 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 09:45.58 | nsadmin | also you're expected to check the bts for problems before asking |
| 09:46.07 | alkisg | enouf: how can I tell the kernel to reload the partition table? |
| 09:46.12 | hark | antii: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 09:46.22 | omri | antii: change it to 127.0.0.1 localhost <your_hostname_here> |
| 09:46.24 | debian_noob | nsadmin:im a newbie and am going 2 change 2 lenny as soon as my exams end |
| 09:46.32 | enouf | alkisg: you don't - you finish the installation |
| 09:46.44 | debian_noob | nsadmin:lenny stable has been released? |
| 09:46.53 | nsadmin | debian_noob: yes it has |
| 09:47.05 | debian_noob | good |
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| 09:47.08 | antii | ahh have to reboot it says |
| 09:47.16 | omri | antii: huh? no you don't. |
| 09:47.23 | debian_noob | but for now i just want 2 solve this problem |
| 09:47.30 | omri | this ain't no windows :P |
| 09:47.30 | enouf | !2 |
| 09:47.30 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 09:47.32 | alkisg | enouf: ah, ok. This is going good with the ubuntu alternate cd, it passed the point where lenny hanged. |
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| 09:47.46 | nsadmin | omri: if the disk is somehow busy while trying to reread the table, he might. |
| 09:47.54 | kana | hello, I have a problem in my firewall for windows vpn pptp , users get connected to the vpn server, but it keeps verifying username and password and then get error 721, here are my configurations http://rafb.net/p/45YJpL74.html |
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| 09:47.58 | debian_noob | enouf:sorry ,my mistake |
| 09:48.01 | enouf | lenny didn't hang, you just didn't wait :-P |
| 09:48.13 | alkisg | enouf: So if I install ubuntu with no problems, but lenny hangs, how can I install lenny then? :( |
| 09:48.14 | omri | nsadmin: heh |
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| 09:48.22 | hark | enouf: 101 ;) |
| 09:48.22 | alkisg | enouf: I waited about 30 minutes, it did hang :) |
| 09:48.33 | debian_noob | nsadmin:any ideas? |
| 09:48.44 | omri | debian_noob: did you do what I told you? |
| 09:48.46 | enouf | alkisg: fair enough |
| 09:48.48 | nsadmin | enouf: cud u send me a copy tu? |
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| 09:49.09 | enouf | alkisg: check alt-f4 - same hardware error? |
| 09:49.21 | enouf | nsadmin: mebe |
| 09:49.36 | nsadmin | meeeeeeeetuuuuuuuu! |
| 09:49.58 | debian_noob | omri:what did you tell me to do?? |
| 09:50.13 | hark | !aolsmite nsadmin |
| 09:50.41 | debian_noob | omri:??? |
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| 09:51.15 | antii | omri: how to edit then |
| 09:51.26 | icemang | I'm installing Lenny as a guest on a Xen system using HVM and grub refuses to install onto the virtual disk. Help! |
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| 09:52.10 | enouf | icemang: using pygrub? |
| 09:52.20 | icemang | No, what's that? |
| 09:52.25 | enouf | or is it grubpy ? |
| 09:52.32 | icemang | i see PV grub |
| 09:52.35 | enouf | the script |
| 09:52.40 | icemang | which is for paravirtualized enviroments |
| 09:52.41 | icemang | hm |
| 09:52.47 | icemang | i will google it |
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| 09:52.53 | enouf | well .. |
| 09:52.56 | debian_noob | enouf:what do you use if you dont use gnome and kde?? |
| 09:53.17 | enouf | debian_noob: nothing, i run naked |
| 09:53.20 | enouf | :-P |
| 09:53.26 | icemang | Isn't there a law against that? |
| 09:53.28 | antii | omri: ? |
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| 09:53.39 | debian_noob | enouf:fluxbox???xfce??? |
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| 09:53.59 | enouf | debian_noob: why does it matter - use what you want |
| 09:54.09 | debian_noob | enouf:Ok |
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| 09:55.05 | alkisg | enouf: no, I don't get this error. I think that's what makes debian hang, I don't know why, I'll investigate later on... |
| 09:55.07 | antii | oh nice it worked omri |
| 09:55.18 | debian_noob | can anybody help me? |
| 09:55.54 | trifler | I have a new phone with a mass storage device (in my world is like a usb memory stick) I've tried it out in my fathers computer and it works. Put when trying it on my computer fdisk -l doesn't detect it though dmesg spits out sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] sense key : 0x0 [current]. Any ideas on how to get it to mounst? |
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| 09:56.00 | enouf | alkisg: you could boot using BOOT_DEBUG=n (where n is 1, 2, 3) or so - see Install guide |
| 09:56.11 | enouf | alkisg: chapt 5 boot parameters |
| 09:56.27 | linlin | I need the linux version of the free VMWARE server. VMWARE's site is offline. Does anyone have a copy floating around? |
| 09:57.28 | enouf | amphi: just b/c i have somethings installed doesn't mean i use them :-P |
| 09:57.38 | debian_noob | trifler:what phone? |
| 09:57.49 | enouf | omg, i used b/c there ... yikes |
| 09:57.58 | enouf | hides |
| 09:58.14 | trifler | debian_noob: sonyercisson w980 |
| 09:58.32 | debian_noob | trifler:maybe you can enable disk mode on it |
| 09:58.48 | enouf | trifler: locked? |
| 09:59.01 | enouf | trifler: maybe it's a u3? |
| 09:59.07 | trifler | debian_noob: When I attach it, it ask my how to attach i choose the option mass storage mode. |
| 09:59.12 | debian_noob | trifler:its very troublesome to connect SE phones to computers |
| 09:59.20 | trifler | enouf: It works on a windows machine. |
| 09:59.27 | enouf | trifler: ofcourse |
| 09:59.30 | debian_noob | trifler:it does |
| 09:59.32 | enouf | !u3 |
| 09:59.32 | dpkg | i guess u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS in some ... |
| 09:59.57 | debian_noob | trifler:what other options are there? |
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| 10:01.19 | debian_noob | trifler:try installing cobex or gammu |
| 10:01.28 | alkisg | enouf: thanks. Another problem, now ubuntu mounted /dev/md* OK and continued with the installation, but right after that it shows me a "can't continue with the installation because an installation cd was not found and a mirror was not configured" (or something similar - I see localized messages) |
| 10:01.42 | alkisg | enouf: But I can `ls` the cd, the target file system, everything... :( |
| 10:01.51 | trifler | debian_noob: I was supposed to look at the list it gives me over attaching options but it doesn't show now :S |
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| 10:02.16 | trifler | It says, phone mode, media transfer, print, and mass storage |
| 10:02.22 | debian_noob | trifler:oh... |
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| 10:03.41 | trifler | this is bullcrap. |
| 10:03.47 | debian_noob | trifler:what? |
| 10:03.49 | amphi | enouf: ;) |
| 10:04.02 | trifler | why not just let it be like a normal usb memory stick. :SS |
| 10:04.32 | nsadmin | there will be an answer... |
| 10:04.34 | nsadmin | let it be... |
| 10:05.04 | mquin | trifler: someone decided it would be a good idea to evade a security feature that's been in windows for ages |
| 10:05.16 | debian_noob | trifler:bad luck.... |
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| 10:06.02 | trifler | mquin: They shoulda consulted me about that. |
| 10:06.11 | mquin | hehe |
| 10:07.10 | trifler | But anyways I learned something :) |
| 10:07.13 | trifler | Ty #debian |
| 10:07.47 | Phlogi | is it possible to get a list of "self" installed packes, this means all packages that are not installed as a dependency? |
| 10:07.55 | enouf | trifler: there's a <u3 uninstall> factoid |
| 10:07.55 | debian_noob | trifler:try ##linux |
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| 10:09.04 | trifler | enouf: That I don't understand. :S |
| 10:09.06 | enouf | but if it's not a u3, might try lsusb -v and try the vendor/device id |
| 10:09.21 | enouf | !u3 uninstall |
| 10:09.27 | enouf | !uninstall u3 |
| 10:09.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, uninstall u3 is see http://www.u3.com/support/default.aspx#CQ3 |
| 10:09.41 | enouf | ok, i had it backwards |
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| 10:10.01 | bjoernb | hello |
| 10:10.25 | icemang | does anyone ever install popcon? srsly |
| 10:10.49 | enouf | i think tarzeau is the only one |
| 10:11.23 | icemang | also enouf are you sure pygrub is supposed to work in full virtualization? |
| 10:11.55 | enouf | runs (btw, i might be confusing that nick with another one - so apologies if i'm mistaken) |
| 10:12.20 | enouf | icemang: i'm not even sure if this water in front of me isn't poisoned |
| 10:12.21 | trifler | enouf: That sounds a intresting. It feels though to "reach" that you need to install the sonyercisson software, attack the phone end then look for that option to threat the storage device like a normal frikkin device. And I don't have that here. |
| 10:12.26 | bjoernb | i installed gnucash. i want to use another LANG than that i provide in /etc/profile. so i started gnucash like this "LANG=de_DE /usr/bin/gnucash" as described in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#Running_GnuCash but i got the following error message: |
| 10:12.30 | bjoernb | gnc.bin-Message: main: binreloc relocation support was disabled at configure time. |
| 10:12.40 | bjoernb | * 11:05:04 WARN <Gtk> Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. |
| 10:12.51 | amphi | icemang: why not? you think it's not useful? |
| 10:13.04 | enouf | trifler: its in the Shed - it's labelled "Sledgehammer" |
| 10:13.46 | bjoernb | does that mean, that the packager of gnucash does not want me to change the language, or was not aware that someone wants another language as the default used language? |
| 10:13.46 | icemang | it would be really nice but it seems like I read that it replaced the kernel / initrd lines in the domu configuration file, which are used together in paravirtualized guests |
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| 10:14.18 | icemang | maybe i should just switch over to para and use pygrub |
| 10:14.30 | icemang | and just use debian-installer in hvm to chroot and install a xen kernel |
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| 10:14.35 | debian_noob | i am having a problem with java or flash |
| 10:14.42 | debian_noob | youtube isnt working |
| 10:14.51 | debian_noob | since i upgraded |
| 10:14.57 | icemang | mh |
| 10:15.04 | trifler | enouf: Well my last phone a motorla f3 diden't have anything on it. So I'm not really in a rush to fill this one up. But atleast now I know what the problem is. Which is good. |
| 10:15.13 | icemang | executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error. |
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| 10:16.23 | debian_noob | i have java and flash installed |
| 10:16.34 | debian_noob | but still it isntworking |
| 10:16.39 | debian_noob | i use iceweasel |
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| 10:16.47 | enouf | i don't |
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| 10:17.05 | debian_noob | enouf:then? |
| 10:17.14 | enouf | i use /msg dpkg youtube script |
| 10:18.07 | icemang | oh cool that was easier than i thought |
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| 10:18.26 | debian_noob | enouf:installed using aptitude? |
| 10:18.38 | icemang | i can just install the xen kernel into the guest, copy the kernel and bootloader out into dom0, and then run in paravirtualization |
| 10:18.39 | enouf | installed what? |
| 10:18.44 | icemang | thank you enouf! |
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| 10:18.57 | debian_noob | enouf:youtube script? |
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| 10:19.14 | enouf | debian_noob: it's a shell script |
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| 10:19.35 | debian_noob | enouf:explain |
| 10:19.36 | enouf | debian_noob: it's not a browser plugin or anything |
| 10:19.45 | debian_noob | enouf:i know |
| 10:19.45 | enouf | it uses mplayer |
| 10:19.59 | debian_noob | enouf:how did you install it? |
| 10:20.04 | enouf | it appears; that no you don't :-) |
| 10:20.14 | enouf | debian_noob: what is shell code? |
| 10:20.16 | enouf | text |
| 10:20.33 | debian_noob | enouf:?? |
| 10:20.41 | enouf | what makes it a script that executes? |
| 10:20.53 | bjoernb | debian_noob: i will help you in a query. |
| 10:21.07 | enouf | the chmod +x. along with the shebang |
| 10:21.26 | debian_noob | enouf:whats shebang? |
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| 10:21.41 | enouf | hash # + bang ! |
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| 10:22.03 | debian_noob | enouf:leave youtube script |
| 10:22.10 | dustybin | OUT OF MEMORY |
| 10:22.12 | dustybin | READY |
| 10:22.13 | dustybin | [] |
| 10:22.29 | bjoernb | enouf: please do not confuse debian_noob |
| 10:22.32 | enouf | debian_noob: tell your stupid irc client to place a space after the : |
| 10:22.42 | debian_noob | i just want to enable javascript and flash in my browser |
| 10:22.58 | Vincent0ne- | oh yea the bang on start of script |
| 10:23.02 | enouf | bjoernb: what? .. even if i was, why wouldn't i? |
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| 10:24.25 | Vincent0ne- | debian_noob: what client u using |
| 10:24.53 | Vincent0ne- | I see |
| 10:25.36 | bjoernb | debian-noob was using debian unstable. after telling me this the client quit. |
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| 10:26.48 | nsadmin | #+!/bin/bash? |
| 10:28.13 | bjoernb | you can highlight me if you have anything concerning my gnucash problem. i will be back later. cu. |
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| 10:29.24 | nsadmin | bjoernb: you can also post to one of the mailing lists |
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| 10:30.39 | Vincent0ne- | mind u bjoernb that debian newbie is better off using stable I think |
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| 10:31.19 | pressenter | Good morning. |
| 10:31.31 | pressenter | In what package is the screen application? |
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| 10:32.15 | plsd | pressenter, in the package screen...? |
| 10:32.44 | pressenter | Hmm, thought so. Guess i must be lacking some repos. |
| 10:32.51 | pressenter | Thank you very much. |
| 10:32.58 | pressenter | Take care. |
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| 10:34.35 | Coke | I just upgraded some X packages in testing and now when I start X and try to type in an xterm the keyboard is all screwy. It hangs, does control characters, delays, etc, it's the same for all users so it's not just my local xsession that's strange. How can I fix this? |
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| 10:36.29 | Coke | the wm doesn't focus properly when I click the windows either, it's as if X is screwing with the events. |
| 10:36.52 | alkisg | Can I have a common /boot partition for both debian + ubuntu? |
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| 10:37.14 | ppls | Think Amazon.com2019s OneClick shopping. It2019s definitely faster, but there are some risks to maintaining your personal information elsewhere. If a company that you2019re shopping with has a data breach, your personal information could be put at risk. It takes a little longer, but instead of storing your information on some server that you have no control over, just enter it yourself each time you shop. |
| 10:37.23 | ppls | is Amazon ONECLICK a security hazard? |
| 10:37.25 | dominikh- | okay. |
| 10:37.57 | ppls | anyone know? |
| 10:39.07 | jelly | ppls: it's not a debian support question, thus offtopic. Consider asking on some other channel. |
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| 10:39.27 | ThoMe | hihi |
| 10:39.46 | ThoMe | hello :-) |
| 10:40.05 | ThoMe | I would like one command for: grep imapfreigaben /etc/passwd |
| 10:40.05 | ThoMe | imapfreigaben:x:5011:5012::/home/imapfreigaben/Maildirs:/bin/sh |
| 10:40.17 | ThoMe | i would only 5011 and 5012 |
| 10:40.20 | ThoMe | is it posible? |
| 10:42.14 | carpii | what? |
| 10:42.16 | enouf | id -u ben? |
| 10:42.21 | enouf | id -g ben? |
| 10:42.23 | ThoMe | ah ok |
| 10:42.24 | ThoMe | :-) |
| 10:42.29 | nsadmin | ThoMe: no, you will need more than one |
| 10:42.42 | ThoMe | no will not |
| 10:43.09 | nsadmin | echo "imapfreigaben:x:5011:5012::/home/imapfreigaben/Maildirs:/bin/sh" | cut -f 3 -d: |
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| 10:43.43 | jelly | nsadmin: he wants fields 3 and 4 |
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| 10:43.59 | nsadmin | can you do that with cut? |
| 10:44.03 | Coke | X seems to think I'm holding down CTRL every second key, anybody else experience this "feature"? |
| 10:44.04 | carpii | yes |
| 10:44.06 | carpii | -f34 |
| 10:44.09 | Rydekull | awk |
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| 10:44.28 | jelly | carpii: that's field 34! |
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| 10:44.40 | enouf | comma! |
| 10:44.44 | carpii | 3,4 sorry |
| 10:44.49 | nsadmin | nono, tha's field 7! |
| 10:45.00 | carpii | :/ |
| 10:45.13 | enouf | why isn't it -1? |
| 10:45.16 | enouf | runs |
| 10:45.41 | nsadmin | or 0.75 |
| 10:45.45 | Rydekull | ThoMe: awk -F: '$1 ~ /^user$/ { print $3,$4 }' /etc/passwd |
| 10:46.01 | carpii | wow, talk about overkill |
| 10:46.09 | ThoMe | cool :-) |
| 10:46.12 | ThoMe | Rydekull: thank you :-) |
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| 10:46.17 | enouf | or 22 |
| 10:46.19 | Rydekull | ThoMe: you are more then welcome |
| 10:46.38 | enouf | ThoMe: getent passwd | awk ... |
| 10:46.50 | linuxguy | hi.......Im am using Lenny, graphics card etc is set up correctly, the opengl screensavers work on setting them up, but at the desired time they should kick in, the screen just goes black, any ideas what is causing this? |
| 10:46.59 | enouf | ThoMe: getent group | awk ... |
| 10:47.03 | ThoMe | but i need this for my php... |
| 10:47.06 | ThoMe | i think i use: |
| 10:47.06 | ThoMe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.06 | ThoMe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.06 | ThoMe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.06 | ThoMe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:47.12 | enouf | heh |
| 10:47.14 | ThoMe | grr |
| 10:47.15 | enouf | figures |
| 10:47.16 | ThoMe | :) |
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| 10:47.22 | enouf | we gotta flooder! |
| 10:47.53 | ppls | amazon is a great interface |
| 10:47.58 | ppls | so userfriendly |
| 10:48.01 | mavhc | and twice as many lines complaining about the flooding than the flood |
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| 10:48.31 | Rydekull | ThoMe: if you already have it split up like that, you can call system and use enouf's suggestion. Should be easiest, anyway, this isnt #php |
| 10:48.34 | nsadmin | mavhc: and one of those by th flooder! |
| 10:48.44 | ThoMe | Rydekull: sorry. |
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| 10:49.56 | enouf | where's the apology? |
| 10:49.58 | ppls | i own $$$$$$$$ of amazon stock. the company is so solid its stock can be used as a savings account. |
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| 10:50.27 | kana_ | hello, I have a problem in my firewall for windows vpn pptp , users get connected to the vpn server, but it keeps verifying username and password and then get error 721, here are my configurations http://rafb.net/p/45YJpL74.html |
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| 10:51.02 | nsadmin | ppls: proof it's not: it's a -tech- stock! |
| 10:52.00 | simonrvn | ppls: *cough* dot com *cough*. |
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| 10:55.02 | jelly | ppls: do you have a debian question? |
| 10:55.17 | bjoernb | re |
| 10:55.21 | jelly | ppls: this is a Turing test. How much is 2+2? |
| 10:55.42 | d-b | dpkg: 2+2 |
| 10:55.42 | dpkg | [2+2] 5 for large values of 2, or 57, or slashdot math |
| 10:55.52 | jelly | d-b: I'm not asking dpkg. |
| 10:56.05 | d-b | jelly: well he passed ? |
| 10:56.19 | enouf | gas? |
| 10:56.26 | jelly | away. |
| 10:56.28 | Coke | Anybody experience (testing) that X will think every 2nd keystroke has control modifier to it? |
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| 10:56.59 | simonrvn | Coke: mouse pad resting on your control key? |
| 10:57.03 | Coke | After upgrade my keyboard is useless in X, it will make every 2nd keystroke behave as if it had control mod. |
| 10:57.06 | enouf | !confuse the_three_muskateers |
| 10:57.06 | dpkg | Yes, those was your badger yesterday, the_three_muskateers? shirts of the people's republic of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 10:57.08 | jelly | you can't have control all the time. |
| 10:57.31 | Coke | simonrvn: no. unfortunately, the error doesn't seem to be my doing. this time. |
| 10:57.35 | simonrvn | bah-dum-tssh |
| 10:57.45 | enouf | Coke: what was in you older xorg.conf? |
| 10:57.51 | Coke | enouf: didn't change it |
| 10:58.04 | enouf | Coke: as far as xkb Options |
| 10:58.20 | enouf | Coke: then what is in you older xorg.conf? |
| 10:58.23 | enouf | er |
| 10:58.30 | enouf | Coke: then what is in your xorg.conf? |
| 10:58.53 | Coke | enouf: same think I had before upgrading when it was working fine. |
| 10:58.59 | Coke | enouf: I'm hard pressed to paste in console |
| 10:59.25 | Coke | rules xorg, model pc105, layout sv, driver kbd |
| 10:59.41 | Coke | if rename my xorg.conf and run the Xorg default settings the problem remains. |
| 10:59.51 | enouf | Coke: ~$ grep -i xkb /etc/X11/xorg.conf | xargs |
| 11:00.18 | Coke | enouf: it founds nothing |
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| 11:00.45 | enouf | well, add something like Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps,altwin:meta_win" |
| 11:00.48 | enouf | wait what? |
| 11:00.52 | enouf | pc105? |
| 11:00.57 | enouf | wtf is that? |
| 11:01.21 | simonrvn | pc104 plus extra key. rather common. |
| 11:01.41 | enouf | an extra Control key? :-) |
| 11:02.07 | enouf | sounds like a sun kbd |
| 11:02.10 | nsadmin | he has more control than he can control! |
| 11:02.14 | Coke | enouf: naw, doesn't do the trick |
| 11:02.43 | Cookie | hi |
| 11:02.45 | nsadmin | Coke: how are you testing exactly? |
| 11:02.53 | enouf | does it do anything? hrm.. use xev(in X) and showkey(in console) |
| 11:03.08 | Coke | nsadmin: starting x, starting x terminal (tested so far eterm, rxvt and xterm) |
| 11:03.26 | enouf | Coke: your DE is? |
| 11:03.28 | nsadmin | and you do this every time you alter the config? |
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| 11:03.30 | Coke | pressing any key for wm bindings, mouse button click on frame behaves as if I was pressing control |
| 11:03.34 | Coke | enouf: icewm |
| 11:03.40 | Coke | enouf: also tried with just xterm |
| 11:04.12 | enouf | try pc104 :-P |
| 11:04.24 | linuxguy | hi.......Im am using Lenny, graphics card etc is set up correctly, the opengl screensavers work on setting them up, but at the desired time they should kick in, the screen just goes black, any ideas what is causing this? |
| 11:05.07 | enouf | no permission to exec screensaver? |
| 11:05.11 | Coke | I'm getting some warnings from xkbcomp, not sure of those are new |
| 11:05.14 | enouf | by your DE username? |
| 11:05.59 | Coke | Geeeesh |
| 11:06.17 | nsadmin | Geeeesh become swans, right? |
| 11:06.25 | linuxguy | enouf, i am not sure why this is happening with the screensavers, they work when setting up |
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| 11:06.28 | Coke | It's come to a reinstallation of the system after two years of valiant service. |
| 11:06.36 | enouf | nsadmin: that's just ducky |
| 11:06.37 | Coke | It's like putting down your sick pet. |
| 11:07.02 | enouf | Coke: just reboot :-P |
| 11:07.11 | Coke | enouf: tried it already |
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| 11:07.16 | enouf | ... |
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| 11:07.34 | Coke | I felt ashamed as it rebooted, as if I had been using some other operating system. |
| 11:07.39 | enouf | linuxguy: setting up == ? |
| 11:07.46 | enouf | haha |
| 11:08.01 | craigevil | linuxguy: check your power management settings, perhaps the monitor is blanking |
| 11:08.12 | nsadmin | Coke: you could cout off its paw and sew on a chicken foot |
| 11:08.28 | nsadmin | aka, remove all the x stuff and reinstall it, or |
| 11:08.45 | linuxguy | enouf, when setting up opengl screensavers, previewing them, they work, set the time, say 10mins, and all i get is a blank screen |
| 11:08.50 | Coke | nsadmin: well. unfortunately the joke ends here, because now I have to spend the better part of the day installing a new operating system instead of using my computer for my projects. |
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| 11:08.52 | nsadmin | just remove all the configs of it and do the confmiss thing |
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| 11:09.14 | linuxguy | craigevil, hi again......i have all the settings are set to disabled |
| 11:09.17 | Coke | nsadmin: it sounds like a draw between that work and just reinstalling |
| 11:10.08 | nsadmin | Coke: or -gasp- figure out what the actual problem is... |
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| 11:10.22 | Coke | nsadmin: that will probably take even longer since I don't have X to work in |
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| 11:11.00 | nsadmin | get comfortable in console mode |
| 11:11.04 | simonrvn | Coke: missing device driver for x maybe? like evdev or kbd ? |
| 11:11.04 | Coke | nsadmin: normally there's someone here who has read a post or can redirect |
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| 11:11.10 | craigevil | Coke: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 11:11.31 | enouf | worth a shot |
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| 11:11.44 | enouf | Coke: how about setxkbmap ? |
| 11:11.48 | Coke | simonrvn: reinstall xserver-xorg-input-driver-all |
| 11:11.55 | enouf | Coke: how about setxkbmap <your country code>? |
| 11:12.17 | enouf | dpkg-reconfure locales (also) |
| 11:12.17 | Coke | enouf: what default country code am I using now that adds CTRL to every 2nd keyboard event? |
| 11:12.23 | Coke | locales? |
| 11:12.30 | enouf | Coke: Bozoworld |
| 11:12.52 | enouf | it's part of the UN |
| 11:13.18 | Coke | I don't see how console data or locales would affect keyboard events. |
| 11:13.27 | Coke | Obviously something is wrong with the input driver. |
| 11:13.40 | enouf | i already told you about xev, but that fell on deaf ears |
| 11:14.12 | simonrvn | Coke: that -all package is just a meta-package |
| 11:14.40 | Coke | ha. it also toggles shift it seams |
| 11:14.42 | Coke | seems |
| 11:14.56 | Coke | keysyms in xev are reported as a A a A a A a A |
| 11:15.02 | simonrvn | corrupted file? |
| 11:15.04 | nsadmin | so ctrl applies every second keystroke... |
| 11:15.06 | Coke | simonrvn: I'm hoping it will reinstall the depds |
| 11:15.22 | nsadmin | I wonder if part of your system assumes a 2 byte charset |
| 11:15.38 | simonrvn | reinstalling a meta-package won't help anything |
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| 11:16.43 | craigevil | !bts |
| 11:16.43 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 11:17.54 | simonrvn | input-driver-evdev or kbd that's what you look at. i'd look into reinstalling the package(s) that provide the x keymaps too |
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| 11:18.55 | Coke | simonrvn: what packages provide those? |
| 11:19.01 | simonrvn | if that doesn't work, then check your hardware. maybe you spilled some juice or something and something's sticking ;p |
| 11:19.04 | craigevil | what is xmodmap? |
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| 11:19.29 | simonrvn | Coke: for you to find out and me to guess ;p |
| 11:20.17 | linuxguy | craigevil, thanks just checked the powersave and not the display settings, should all be ok now.......thanks |
| 11:20.21 | Coke | problem remains. |
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| 11:21.00 | enouf | so you use icewm launched from gdm within gnome? |
| 11:21.44 | Coke | enouf: I'm now running rxvt with -e xev |
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| 11:23.49 | Coke | how do USB images work? I just put the img file on the device? |
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| 11:24.15 | Coke | oh, all these new things, what's wrong with floppies anyway |
| 11:25.51 | Coke | this is a disaster. |
| 11:26.00 | Coke | no computer on a saturday! |
| 11:26.26 | simonrvn | try 4 days. try never. get some perspective ;). |
| 11:27.51 | enouf | simonrvn: s/juice/soda :-) |
| 11:28.13 | Coke | simonrvn: it's gonna get the Winblows treatment |
| 11:28.21 | simonrvn | oh no |
| 11:28.26 | simonrvn | poor you |
| 11:28.34 | Coke | indeed |
| 11:28.38 | simonrvn | that's like a downgrade |
| 11:28.52 | enouf | you really know how to quickly and progressively make things worse in a hurry |
| 11:28.55 | Coke | simonrvn: I'm not going to install Windows, I'm just going to treat Debian as if it was |
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| 11:29.16 | Coke | Magic errors -> reinstallation |
| 11:29.22 | enouf | cause you suck at tshooting? nice |
| 11:29.31 | thedave | hi! Is a separate /boot partion usefully? |
| 11:29.36 | simonrvn | oh *phew*. i would've --purged the X stuff and installed it again, like nsadmin said earlier. |
| 11:29.41 | Coke | enouf: no, I'm quite good at it. in particular when I have the source code |
| 11:29.44 | enouf | do /msg dpkg pebkac for a bio |
| 11:30.01 | Coke | enouf: trouble is, my interrest in X and it's source code is ZERO, I simply use it as a tool for other endeavours. |
| 11:30.06 | simonrvn | thedave: most of the time no, but needed if you have funky/unusual / set up. |
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| 11:30.32 | thedave | okay, thanks! |
| 11:30.34 | enouf | windows doesn't have source code |
| 11:30.41 | enouf | it's one giant binary blob |
| 11:31.01 | Coke | enouf: as opposed to many smaller binary blobs, i.e packages |
| 11:31.50 | enouf | somethings are semi-tolerable if they're small .. look at insects ;-) |
| 11:32.01 | Coke | enouf: malaria |
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| 11:32.33 | thedave | simonrvn, when installing debian has the "bootflag" option. Do I set this now to the / (root) partion? |
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| 11:32.35 | enouf | that's analogous to one bit/byte |
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| 11:32.49 | enouf | analagous* |
| 11:33.24 | Coke | im going to have to go out and by a new hard drive, I have nowhere to put all my files |
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| 11:33.41 | enouf | thedave: you don't need to |
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| 11:34.07 | enouf | thedave: if windows is also installed, ensure that partition has the boot flag set |
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| 11:34.23 | Coke | moves one step closer to total cynisism. |
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| 11:34.34 | thedave | ahh ok. it's a single debian install. then I can skip it. thanks :) |
| 11:34.37 | enouf | s/s/c |
| 11:34.52 | zigovr | hi all, I've a newly installed debian lenny installed in a VM, when I do "ssh -X" on it, there's no DISPLAY env variable defined, any idea what could be the problem ? (X11 forwarding is activated in sshd configuration) |
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| 11:35.09 | enouf | !sshx |
| 11:35.13 | enouf | er |
| 11:35.16 | dpkg | [sshx] You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 11:35.22 | enouf | oh .. heh |
| 11:35.44 | simonrvn | thedave: "partition". no. |
| 11:35.47 | zigovr | thanks, maybe I lack xauth then |
| 11:37.03 | thedave | ok thanks. I'll give it a go now |
| 11:37.17 | zigovr | yeah it worked ! thanks enouf |
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| 11:41.35 | vadmeste | Hi. Why sometimes "apt-get update" take too much time and sometimes don't ? |
| 11:41.53 | Coke | vadmeste: internet is mysterious |
| 11:42.02 | vadmeste | :) |
| 11:42.03 | enouf | sometimes there's a lot, sometimes a little? |
| 11:42.27 | vadmeste | yeah |
| 11:42.41 | Alkavan | hey, just installed samba to share my files with windows. didn't change any settings, i see the machine in the network browser, when i try to access it, windows ask for user and pass, but non of the ones i have work. |
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| 11:44.02 | Coke | enouf: any last words of advice before I embark into unknown territory? |
| 11:44.26 | enouf | can't think of anything |
| 11:44.46 | simonrvn | --purge x; install x |
| 11:45.10 | Coke | simonrvn: isn't that just a metapackage that "does nothing"? |
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| 11:46.16 | simonrvn | i meant stuff like the whole of your installed x packages |
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| 11:46.52 | Coke | simonrvn: that will take forever to track down |
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| 11:47.06 | simonrvn | not really. |
| 11:47.08 | DragoraN | which cd is "Binary 1" ? |
| 11:47.17 | simonrvn | 1 |
| 11:47.23 | DragoraN | well it is not :( |
| 11:47.42 | DragoraN | i have it inserted |
| 11:47.44 | DragoraN | and nothing |
| 11:47.51 | enouf | ... |
| 11:47.51 | simonrvn | it isn't? great, another confusing thing. |
| 11:48.11 | enouf | epic fail |
| 11:48.39 | Coke | DragoraN: you must have marked them wrong. |
| 11:48.44 | Coke | also, isn't binary 1 the one you boot from? |
| 11:48.53 | DragoraN | yes |
| 11:48.55 | DragoraN | it is |
| 11:49.06 | simonrvn | then it is cd #1 ... |
| 11:49.18 | DragoraN | ok |
| 11:49.25 | Coke | DragoraN: what iso did you download? |
| 11:49.30 | enouf | wrong arch? |
| 11:49.34 | DragoraN | CD1 |
| 11:49.36 | enouf | bad burn? |
| 11:49.42 | DragoraN | whole installation is ok |
| 11:49.49 | DragoraN | near the end, it requests for binary1 |
| 11:49.58 | enouf | ... |
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| 11:50.08 | Coke | simonrvn: after removal of xserver-xorg-core (and all that depend on it) and a reinstall, the problem remains |
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| 11:50.39 | vadmeste | DragoraN, so you inserted cd #1 or not ? |
| 11:50.44 | Blayz | Good morning. |
| 11:50.50 | DragoraN | cd#1 is the one i booted from |
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| 11:50.57 | Coke | DragoraN: yes, that's the one it wants |
| 11:51.00 | DragoraN | so it already it in cdrom |
| 11:51.16 | Coke | DragoraN: sure it's not requesting you to REMOVE the cd? |
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| 11:51.29 | DragoraN | no |
| 11:51.32 | DragoraN | media change |
| 11:51.46 | DragoraN | Please insert disk labelled... |
| 11:51.59 | Coke | Well... |
| 11:52.10 | Coke | If the installation program will ask for the same disc twice it's definately broken. |
| 11:52.20 | Coke | (or a Microsoft installer) |
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| 11:54.25 | Coke | DragoraN: I've noted a few bugs in most installations for various distros, sometimes the system is installed fine anyway. |
| 11:54.45 | Coke | If this was the end you might already have a working installation |
| 11:55.12 | DragoraN | it was not end |
| 11:55.16 | DragoraN | installing locales |
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| 11:55.24 | Tapout | hugepages on rhel is ... what on debian? It seems like debian doesn't suffer from small vm block sizes |
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| 11:55.35 | Coke | The archlinux installer ui croaked halfway through, still installed properly though |
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| 11:56.37 | Coke | DragoraN: I think I've experienced something similar to your problem, but unfortunately my X is broken so I can't check the firefox history. |
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| 11:59.51 | at0m|c | Coke: http://www.jwz.org/hacks/mork.pl "program that can read the Mozilla URL history file" |
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| 12:07.54 | enouf | Tapout: i've booted with HugePageTLB |
| 12:08.13 | enouf | in the past - didn't really use it though - 512MB total ram :-P |
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| 12:09.07 | Tapout | enouf, any idea where it's covered in debian manpages or where I can find more info? |
| 12:09.32 | Tapout | enouf, where do you live? I can send you older ram ;) |
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| 12:09.42 | enouf | Tapout: :/proc/sys/vm# echo 10 > nr_hugepages |
| 12:09.59 | enouf | Tapout: i have ram - that's the irony |
| 12:10.30 | Tapout | -bash: nr_hugepages: No such file or directory |
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| 12:10.59 | Tapout | ohhh |
| 12:11.03 | Tapout | etch vs lenny |
| 12:11.04 | Tapout | son of a !#@ |
| 12:11.21 | enouf | see /Documentation/vm/hugetlbpage.txt |
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| 12:12.30 | enouf | then; sysctl -a | grep huge |
| 12:12.53 | enouf | then; oh - there's a kernel param (or 2) you need to add - then reboot |
| 12:13.29 | Tapout | i don't see anything about this on etch, but on my lenny machine I see the nr_hugepages |
| 12:13.35 | Tapout | i'm trying to find the docs on etch |
| 12:13.43 | Tapout | updatedb running ;) |
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| 12:16.35 | enouf | Tapout: oo .. i have these commented out now in /etc/sysctl.conf http://rafb.net/p/g1TaZ483.html |
| 12:16.54 | diclev | Hello people. What do I have to do to resolve a problem: |
| 12:16.55 | diclev | ALSA lib pcm.c:2109: (snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_empty.so |
| 12:16.55 | diclev | Couldn't open audio: |
| 12:16.55 | diclev | ?? |
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| 12:17.13 | enouf | Tapout: documentation on etch? you mean 2.6.18? |
| 12:17.38 | enouf | Tapout: etch has a .24 and a .26 available |
| 12:17.46 | jpinx | what's the command to continuously see the last 'n' lines of a logfile. I thought it was some invocation of tail, but..... |
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| 12:19.19 | enouf | jpinx: yeah, tail -f |
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| 12:19.42 | enouf | jpinx: or .. you can use watch for binaries :-P |
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| 12:20.33 | jpinx | thanks enouf - it's early morning here - brain not functioning yet..... |
| 12:20.35 | enouf | diclev: modprobe snd_pcm_oss ? |
| 12:20.50 | enouf | diclev: and modprobe snd_mixer_oss |
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| 12:21.12 | Tapout | enouf, what package includes all the current kernel docs ? |
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| 12:21.39 | enouf | judd: versions linux-doc |
| 12:21.41 | judd | enouf: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 12:21.49 | enouf | wow |
| 12:21.55 | Tapout | probably this : kernel-internals-guide |
| 12:22.02 | enouf | Tapout: it comes with every kernel source |
| 12:22.07 | enouf | no |
| 12:22.22 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/ |
| 12:22.24 | Tapout | enouf, ya but on like etch .. it has .. 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 12:22.38 | enouf | but the /vm/ area is having an issue atm |
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| 12:23.00 | enouf | Tapout: that support wasn't there yet, iinm |
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| 12:23.06 | Tapout | iinm? |
| 12:23.27 | enouf | hrm |
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| 12:23.29 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/vm/hugetlbpage.txt |
| 12:23.32 | diclev | enouf, it seems I don't understand you |
| 12:23.36 | enouf | that works ;-) |
| 12:23.44 | diclev | hm |
| 12:23.48 | Tapout | thanks enouf |
| 12:24.24 | diclev | What's a problem "ALSA lib pcm.c:2109:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_empty.so" |
| 12:24.30 | diclev | ??? |
| 12:24.49 | enouf | diclev: as root run those commands |
| 12:25.05 | Coke | Byesies. New OS ensues... |
| 12:25.27 | diclev | enouf, "modprobe snd_pcm_oss"? |
| 12:26.18 | diclev | OK, run... |
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| 12:27.38 | diclev | enouf, there is no difference, those error appears |
| 12:27.51 | diclev | that* |
| 12:27.57 | Alkavan | hay, can someone help with samba sharing, i created a share called 'www' that shares /var/www , i set guest access to 'no'. and now it's asking for auth, but my linux account won't work. |
| 12:28.53 | Alkavan | with pdbedit -Lv myaccount i see i have no NT username set, i need to set that maybe? or set user to use that share in some way? |
| 12:29.11 | enouf | diclev: dpkg -l \*alsa* | grep ^.i |
| 12:29.13 | igrek | Alkavan: configure authentication or add accounts with 'smbpasswd' |
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| 12:29.22 | enouf | diclev: and when are you getting that error? |
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| 12:30.09 | diclev | enouf, then I try to run a game) |
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| 12:32.12 | enouf | !tell diclev -about pastebin |
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| 12:35.11 | alkisg | enouf: Ubuntu installed fine on my raid arrays from the alternate CD... But `hdparm -tT /dev/md0` shows about 5 MB/sec instead of the expected 40 MB/sec (my disk speed without RAID is about 22 MB/sec). I assume that it's not a hardware problem, because everything works (albeit slowly). So, could it be that I didn't use a correct method to create the RAID arrays? |
| 12:35.12 | Memphisto | hi folks |
| 12:35.17 | enouf | jpinx: what on earth ?? |
| 12:35.18 | jpinx | enouf: what's the syntax to combine several commands and pipe them all eg: > uname -a && uptime | pastebinit - |
| 12:35.41 | diclev | enouf, I've written that command, there is some info (or other), what do I have to do wiht this info? Error still appear |
| 12:35.47 | enouf | there are many ways jpinx |
| 12:35.51 | jpinx | enouf: you not seen pastebinit? really handy tool. |
| 12:35.56 | Memphisto | anyone got tip on a backup system for a newbie :) I'm using antix-m8 |
| 12:36.26 | carpii | jpinx, use backticks |
| 12:36.27 | enouf | alkisg: you had no raid arrays ; ergo ubuntu didn't install onto them |
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| 12:36.43 | jpinx | carpii: ta |
| 12:36.45 | carpii | echo `uptime` `uname -a` | pastebinit |
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| 12:37.08 | enouf | diclev: you post the output to a pastebin |
| 12:37.44 | jpinx | carpii: is there not a bracketing syntax - maybe like {uptime && uname -a}|pastebinit |
| 12:38.05 | diclev | enouf, what do you mean? |
| 12:38.05 | alkisg | enouf: explain, please? I have /dev/md0 to 3, and ubuntu installed into md0 with md3 mounted as home.... I want to install debian to /dev/md1, but how, if it doesn't see my raid? |
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| 12:38.44 | carpii | not that i know jpink, because the && is discarding the output from uptime i think |
| 12:38.58 | alkisg | (I mean if it hangs) |
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| 12:39.32 | jpinx | carpii: thanks |
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| 12:39.51 | carpii | hm tho |
| 12:39.52 | carpii | uptime && uname -a | more |
| 12:39.54 | carpii | works here |
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| 12:40.53 | carpii | hm no it doesnt, its only piping the uname -a |
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| 12:41.25 | d-b-usb | hi there how do i tell tasksel that i want to have xfce and not gnome ? |
| 12:41.37 | enouf | alkisg: how and when did you create md0-3 ? |
| 12:41.40 | jpinx | carpii: that needs linebreaks |
| 12:41.47 | diclev | So&so. "ALSA lib pcm.c:2109:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_empty.so || Couldn't open audio:". How to resolve this error? |
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| 12:43.07 | alkisg | enouf: I tried to create them with the debian lenny installation cd. It hanged. So I created them with the ubuntu 8.10 alternate cd like this: 1) create sda5, sda6, sda7, sda8, and sdb1, sdb2, sdb3, sdb4, and finally "raid" together sda5 with sdb1 to create md0, sda6 with sdb2 to create md1 etc. |
| 12:43.08 | jpinx | carpii: when I do uname&&uptime|pastebinit I get the uname output locally and the uptime goes to pasetbinit |
| 12:43.46 | carpii | yeah youre right |
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| 12:44.03 | d-b-usb | ... |
| 12:44.11 | alkisg | enouf: Then I tried to install Debian Lenny, it hanged again (and showed IDE errors). So I tried to install Ubuntu, which succeded. But the transfer rate is ~20% when it should be ~200%. And I want to install Debian, not Ubuntu... |
| 12:44.24 | enouf | alkisg: i don't like extended DOS partitions at all |
| 12:44.29 | esaym | can /boot be on a raid 5 partition with mdadm? |
| 12:44.58 | jpinx | carpii: and echo`uname``uptime`|pastebinit puts everything in pastebinit but without linebreaks:( |
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| 12:45.35 | enouf | esaym: i forget .. but atleast needs and initrd - and maybe using LiLo instead, it can |
| 12:45.37 | alkisg | enouf: I wanted many partitions to try a lot of OSes. And on one disk I already had an NTFS, a /boot and a swap partition, so extended was my only choice (I didn't want to mess with lvm yet) |
| 12:45.44 | enouf | s/and/an |
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| 12:47.12 | Tapout | enouf, thanks eh |
| 12:47.44 | enouf | alkisg: i can't really help.. try the lenny installer again - also, you might've found a bug, but i was the maintainer, i would refuse to fix any bug that involved using Ext'd + Logical partitions |
| 12:47.44 | Tapout | no offense to others, but with enouf in this channel.. it'd be sh!t :) |
| 12:47.53 | Tapout | without |
| 12:47.54 | esaym | enouf: ty |
| 12:47.54 | Tapout | lol |
| 12:47.56 | enouf | with? |
| 12:47.58 | enouf | :-P |
| 12:48.10 | Tapout | talk about a f up |
| 12:48.15 | enouf | Tapout: nice words - thanks - but really a silly statement |
| 12:48.16 | Tapout | no offense to others, but without enouf in this channel.. it'd be sh!t :) |
| 12:48.26 | Tapout | enouf, negative |
| 12:48.30 | enouf | stop already :-) |
| 12:48.33 | Tapout | see the channel when you're not here |
| 12:48.36 | Tapout | ... |
| 12:48.40 | alkisg | enouf: Hmm... so what are you proposing instead of extended partitions, coreboot + EFI? |
| 12:48.42 | Tapout | again, thanks... back to upgrading ;) |
| 12:48.56 | enouf | alkisg: o m g ... |
| 12:49.00 | d-b-usb | Tapout: you like getting kicked ? |
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| 12:49.28 | d-b-usb | alkisg: i like coreboot i wish i had support :( |
| 12:49.37 | enouf | alkisg: a swap can easily be deleted and recreated |
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| 12:49.53 | alkisg | Well, me too, but extended partitions are the only viable option right now... |
| 12:50.09 | alkisg | enouf: I needed 4 more partitions, not 1 :) |
| 12:50.12 | d-b-usb | enouf: or a swapfile |
| 12:50.32 | enouf | d-b-usb: not if one uses uswsusp |
| 12:50.39 | enouf | or variants |
| 12:50.56 | d-b-usb | enouf: whats the issue can't you suspend to a swap file ? |
| 12:50.57 | enouf | although i've heard of a kxec method, not sure how that works |
| 12:51.04 | enouf | d-b-usb: no, i think not |
| 12:51.12 | d-b-usb | i can suspend without a swap so... |
| 12:51.20 | enouf | suspend2ram |
| 12:51.25 | d-b-usb | perhaps hibernate ? |
| 12:51.31 | enouf | doesn't need anything other than ram ;-) |
| 12:51.42 | enouf | and trickle power ;-) |
| 12:51.51 | jpinx | use a swapfile maybe? |
| 12:51.59 | enouf | alkisg: i gotcha, oh well |
| 12:52.21 | enouf | beats a dead horsey |
| 12:52.55 | vsayikiran | enouf: is it possible to search a nickname in IRC channel |
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| 12:53.30 | d-b-usb | vsayikiran: try /msg nickserv info <nick> |
| 12:53.34 | alkisg | Bah... I guess that's it with my RAID on linux adventure, now I'm going to format it as usual (no extended, now I'll have enough primary partitions :P) and be done with it... :( |
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| 12:55.10 | luckz | is there any easy way to automatically restart a crashed process? |
| 12:55.14 | aidan | en_AU.UTF-8 .. what package should I install to support this locale? |
| 12:55.52 | vsayikiran | d-n-usb: :-( |
| 12:56.00 | aidan | I'm using a package (python) which is falling back to "C" locale because LANG doesn't exist (lang being en_AU.UTF8) |
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| 12:56.24 | d-b-usb | vsayikiran: use tab 'nick' type d then go tab |
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| 12:57.44 | vsayikiran | d-n-usb: i mean that with the command you gave me only gives the info of a known user.... i want to search a user whose name contains a certain pattern |
| 12:58.14 | d-b-usb | vsayikiran: this is debian. please keep on topic |
| 12:58.20 | d-b-usb | !offtopic |
| 12:58.20 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:58.50 | enouf | vsayikiran: do you mean in your backscroll? |
| 12:59.02 | enouf | vsayikiran: in irssi, use /lastlog nick |
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| 12:59.23 | plutobello | salve a tutti |
| 12:59.30 | enouf | aloha! |
| 12:59.33 | enouf | !it |
| 12:59.33 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:59.34 | plutobello_niubb | :) |
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| 12:59.43 | plutobello_niubb | ok. thanks |
| 12:59.51 | enouf | or engish here ;-) |
| 12:59.56 | plutobello_niubb | i go to deb-it |
| 12:59.57 | enouf | er english even ;-) |
| 13:00.06 | vsayikiran | enouf: i want to search all those nickname which contains god |
| 13:00.15 | plutobello_niubb | bye |
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| 13:00.19 | enouf | vsayikiran: you haven't answered me |
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| 13:00.46 | th0ger | In aptitude (cmdline) does {a} mean a dependency or suggestion? |
| 13:01.04 | th0ger | And why the letter {a}? |
| 13:01.10 | enouf | autoinstall? |
| 13:01.20 | enouf | !unmarkauto |
| 13:01.20 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 13:01.23 | vsayikiran | enouf: i am not using ircii... i am using pidgin... what do you mean by backscroll |
| 13:01.33 | enouf | i don't know though, i don't use aptitude |
| 13:01.45 | th0ger | enouf: thx |
| 13:02.39 | enouf | vsayikiran: the actual text that already scrolled by - many clients have buffers (backscroll) and you can set the amount - and many also have a enable 'log' command, which saves it al to disk |
| 13:03.09 | sladi | Hi, is there no 2.6.28 kernel in experimental yet? I added a line to the sources.list by replacing lenny with experimental. |
| 13:03.44 | enouf | sladi: don't do that |
| 13:03.57 | vsayikiran | enouf: not backscroll.....but on IRC server ... suppose i want to search all those nicknames who name contain god and are currently logged in |
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| 13:04.11 | enouf | and yes, it's in incoming, IINM - but grab it from buildserver |
| 13:04.26 | enouf | sladi: /msg dpkg trunk kernel |
| 13:04.46 | Internat | vsayikiran go have a look at the /who command |
| 13:04.48 | Internat | with wildcards |
| 13:04.56 | sladi | enouf: Thanks, I will read that. :) |
| 13:05.25 | vsayikiran | enouf: i am logged in the #debian-offtopic channel you can have a chat with me over there |
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| 13:05.51 | jpinx | carpii: the only way I could get that to work was like this |
| 13:05.52 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.55 | enouf | vsayikiran: ok .. i still don't understand what you want though |
| 13:06.05 | enouf | vsayikiran: and it's really not offtopi either |
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| 13:06.36 | enouf | vsayikiran: offtopic* .. that is, if you're using debian - but i have no idea how to answer your query |
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| 13:06.46 | vsayikiran | enouf: but d-b-usb says above as it is offtopic |
| 13:07.13 | enouf | people say many things .. i've not seen that nick, or if i have, not much |
| 13:07.38 | enouf | -> coffee |
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| 13:08.38 | d-b-usb | enouf: he wants to search for every nick containing god |
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| 13:09.05 | d-b-usb | he should make a plugin for irssi if he really wants to do that. |
| 13:09.08 | jpinx | d-b-usb: hopefully there's a little bit of god in all of us ;) |
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| 13:09.19 | d-b-usb | jpinx: whos the god ? |
| 13:09.22 | vsayikiran | enouf: very simple... suppose now the channel has 900 people logged into it...... i want to search a list of people who name contains a certain pattern lets say "*god*", then what should i do? |
| 13:09.51 | jpinx | d-b-usb: your personal god;) |
| 13:10.20 | Tapout | vsayikiran, try ; /who *god* .. it'll search your chan, parse that |
| 13:10.23 | d-b-usb | vsayikiran: why don't you be lazy and copy / paste the nicks then grep |
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| 13:11.07 | achilles | hello, please help me, I really have a big problem, I have debian firewall, I get error 721 when users try to connect PPTP VPN to a win2k server, they connect, but it last for 2 minutes verifying username and password and the got error 721, I DNAT port 1723 and protocol 47 to the VPN server |
| 13:11.42 | d-b-usb | achilles: sounds like a windows problem to me. |
| 13:11.45 | enouf | vsayikiran: you look at your list of nicks |
| 13:11.50 | d-b-usb | !openvpn |
| 13:11.50 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a virtual private network daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one TCP or UDP port. Packaged for Debian as 'openvpn', provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to interfaces(5). As this software uses OpenSSL, it is affected by <dsa1571>, see http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys ('openvpn-blacklist' package available in Lenny). http://openvpn.net/ #openvpn @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:12.18 | achilles | d-b-usb, users can connect if I bypass the firewall |
| 13:12.41 | enouf | vsayikiran: it's something you, as mentioned, write up the source code for a plugin to do that sort of thing - not sure how many people would use it |
| 13:12.43 | asg | achilles: then consult #iptables |
| 13:12.53 | achilles | asg, thank you |
| 13:13.05 | Xanthor | Since 2 days (my latest reboot), my mouse's clicks act like double clicks (for each buttons). Any idea of a recently upgraded package that could be responsible of this bug ? (I'm using sid. Bug tested with XFCE, GNOME, checked with xev...) |
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| 13:13.26 | enouf | vsayikiran: see the /list command too - but be careful - then if you have to - export/copy/paste that output, then grep it |
| 13:13.49 | vsayikiran | enouf: i think it will be useful to people on IRC channels if they need to search a certain nickname |
| 13:15.02 | d-b-usb | vsayikiran: ... google is good too |
| 13:15.15 | d-b-usb | just have to put in some info ^^ |
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| 13:16.15 | maligor | is there some tool to find packages that are outside the package lists (repositories)? |
| 13:16.34 | maligor | err.. that is, the local packages on system matched against the package lists |
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| 13:18.14 | esaym | How do I create the file "/boot/grub/stage1" |
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| 13:18.48 | enouf | i happen to know all the nicks i need to, thank you |
| 13:19.02 | enouf | esaym: you install grub |
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| 13:19.45 | enouf | maligor: what? try maybe something like ~$ grep-status -F Maintainer 'marillat@debian.org' -a -F Status -sPackage 'install ok installed' |
| 13:20.16 | enouf | maligor: you need to home in on the 'origin' aspect .. aptitude also has a nice small command to do so |
| 13:20.27 | esaym | hmm "grub-install --recheck hd0" = The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 13:20.41 | enouf | something like ~Ouinstalled or someshit |
| 13:21.08 | enouf | esaym: oh well - sounds like LVM or something |
| 13:21.21 | esaym | hmm |
| 13:21.29 | maligor | or just bruteforce it |
| 13:21.42 | maligor | wouldn't be too hard to write one from scratch |
| 13:22.22 | enouf | maligor: go steal one? |
| 13:22.38 | maligor | err.. what?-) |
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| 13:23.14 | enouf | maligor: IINM, stage1 gets embedded somewhere into the 1st 63 sectors :-) |
| 13:23.31 | enouf | even though it's complaining about a file in /boot |
| 13:23.35 | maligor | you just've mistargeted :P |
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| 13:24.21 | enouf | oh .. look at that, i ran it through a hex, it looks like a boot sector ;-) |
| 13:25.02 | enouf | i wonder if any of my disks partitions look like that ;-) .. or which disk's MBR :-P |
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| 13:26.07 | DexterF | hi |
| 13:26.42 | DexterF | got lenny in a vm, said vm is running in headless mode. needed to reboot it. my remote vnc script won't connect to gdm tho so I can't login. |
| 13:27.01 | DexterF | is gdm on another .. Xserver, display..? |
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| 13:28.21 | d-b-usb | DexterF: login manager really. |
| 13:29.05 | d-b-usb | DexterF: try finding out i guess. if you want to reboot it you should give your self ssh access so you can tunnel vnc... |
| 13:29.39 | DexterF | d-b-usb: exactly what my script does: ssh's there, forwards 5900, calls x11vnc locally and connects a viewer to localhost |
| 13:29.52 | DexterF | works fine once the X session is running, but can't get gdm |
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| 13:34.15 | DexterF | ah: perm issue with x11vnc, must run as root for gdm |
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| 13:36.22 | ScriptDevil | I am not able to get into anything other than gnome even when I save ~/.Xclients to contain exec dwm and choose Run .Xclient Script |
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| 13:37.17 | jelly | DexterF: yes. And if you log in at that gdm, it'll start a different X session so it'll disconnect you and you'll have to run x11vnc again |
| 13:37.31 | DexterF | jelly: well, yes. so? |
| 13:37.50 | jelly | DexterF: technically you don't _need_ to be root, just need to have access to the correct xauth file ;-) |
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| 13:38.49 | DexterF | ill just setup auto login for gdm and restart it... |
| 13:38.52 | DexterF | much easier.. |
| 13:39.02 | DexterF | need to login only one user anyway |
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| 13:39.17 | ScriptDevil | Can someone guide me? |
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| 13:40.42 | DexterF | ScriptDevil: no, need to know what you want to do. |
| 13:41.17 | ScriptDevil | DexterF: I did type in the question earlier. I chose not to repeat it. Anyway. here goes |
| 13:41.31 | ScriptDevil | I am not able to get into anything other than gnome even when I save ~/.Xclients to contain exec dwm and choose Run .Xclient Script How do I switch now? |
| 13:41.42 | DexterF | now I need to figure why X starts in wrong resolution tho I explicitly stated 1280x1024 in xorg.conf... |
| 13:42.04 | DexterF | ScriptDevil: ah, my fault :) |
| 13:42.12 | xavier | http://www.songtaste.com/song/125829/ |
| 13:42.17 | ScriptDevil | DexterF: If you are using xfce4, it auto configures for itself |
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| 13:42.20 | xavier | music |
| 13:42.26 | xavier | HAHA |
| 13:42.32 | DexterF | ScriptDevil: icewm actually |
| 13:42.42 | esaym | enouf: I think this is my grub issue http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464146 |
| 13:43.30 | ScriptDevil | DexterF: try removing all other resolutions |
| 13:44.14 | luckz | to auto-restart some app when it exits, is it best to use a self-calling script or a while loop? |
| 13:44.33 | simonrvn | !/.xsession |
| 13:44.33 | dpkg | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
| 13:44.47 | simonrvn | ScriptDevil: ^^^ |
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| 13:45.35 | ScriptDevil | simonrvn: Oh.. Ok. Well the general way was .Xclients. |
| 13:45.45 | ScriptDevil | simonrvn: I will try that |
| 13:45.55 | simonrvn | .xssesion in debian |
| 13:46.04 | simonrvn | .xsession even |
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| 13:51.17 | DeeebianOS | What should I do when I see this in Firefox? http://pastebin.com/m6ab62f9b |
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| 13:51.40 | DeeebianOS | s/Firefox/Iceweasel/ |
| 13:51.41 | enouf | esaym: looking |
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| 13:54.26 | enouf | esaym: yeah, you don't use raid or lvm /dev/names to install grub onto ... |
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| 13:55.06 | enouf | and in that example, he actually used the /boot partition number, so hd0,4 == hda5 |
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| 13:57.37 | nkuttler | DeeebianOS: if you trust the site add an exception |
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| 13:59.50 | DeeebianOS | nkuttler: It's my school's website. |
| 13:59.58 | DeeebianOS | nkuttler: What harm could be done if I trust it? |
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| 14:02.08 | christian_d | hello! |
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| 14:02.29 | Dartagnan | hi |
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| 14:03.13 | Dartagnan | i have aproblem....if i open a root terminal it cannot load its configuration ( gnome-terminal) |
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| 14:04.10 | christian_d | I've got a question: when I run "alsactl store", where can I find the stored settings? |
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| 14:04.39 | esaym | enouf: well I was using /dev/hda or hd(0,0) |
| 14:04.48 | Wyzard | christian_d: /var/lib/alsa/asound.state according to the manpage |
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| 14:06.12 | esaym | enouf: regardless, I am going to try with the latest lenny installer, the one I am using is many months old... |
| 14:06.30 | Wyzard | DeeebianOS: "trust the site" actually means "trust that it really is the school's site, and not someone impersonating the school's site" |
| 14:06.58 | DeeebianOS | Wyzard: Ah okay. |
| 14:07.11 | DeeebianOS | Wyzard: The wording could be better. |
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| 14:09.14 | enouf | esaym: ahh, yep |
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| 14:10.02 | enouf | esaym: did you ever answer any raid / lvm / where /boot is yet? |
| 14:10.07 | christian_d | are there any alsa scripts, whcih have to be runned while booting? |
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| 14:11.33 | nkuttler | Dartagnan: just use su in a normal terminal |
| 14:11.38 | esaym | enouf: no I don't think the installer ever asked |
| 14:12.05 | esaym | I just made a raid 5 with 3 disks, and put an ext3 / partition on top of that |
| 14:12.12 | Wyzard | christian_d: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils during startup and shutdown |
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| 14:12.26 | christian_d | Wyzard, thank you |
| 14:12.40 | esaym | the installer ran all the way until the grub installer, which I think is the last step before the reboot |
| 14:12.54 | Wyzard | christian_d: It does "alsactl store" at shutdown and "alsactl restore" during startup |
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| 14:14.32 | enouf | esaym: right - ok. so use (hd0,X), but where /boot lives |
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| 14:15.09 | bullgard4 | enouf: In contrast to Windows, in Debian there are 3 basic approaches to associate files with application programs: i.) explicit external type decarations (scripts and MIME); ii.) implicit naming type declarations (filename extensions); iii.) implicit data analysis declarations (magic and shebang). How is this mechanism (or theses mechansism) called? (In Windows it is called 'file type association'.) What are the appropriate ... |
| 14:15.09 | Akuw | why debian did that |
| 14:15.11 | Akuw | The developers behind the Debian Linux distribution have voted to proceed with the release of the next major version despite ongoing controversy over the inclusion of binary firmware in the kernel. |
| 14:15.15 | bullgard4 | ... technical terms for it in Debian? |
| 14:15.36 | enouf | esaym: use tab completion; "root (hd{tab}{tab}" and find /boot/grub/stage1 |
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| 14:16.33 | DragoraN | hi all |
| 14:16.34 | esaym | enouf: the stage1 was there /target/boot/grub/stage1 it just gave a read error |
| 14:16.38 | Wyzard | Akuw: because waiting for it to be resolved would have delayed the release too much |
| 14:16.49 | DragoraN | is there anything "installing installer-report" during installation ? |
| 14:16.52 | enouf | bullgard4: actually in windows it's called "Registered File Types" :-) |
| 14:16.55 | esaym | I could chroot to /target and run grub but I would get the same errors as the installer |
| 14:17.03 | esaym | but anyway, I got to run now |
| 14:17.05 | esaym | TY |
| 14:17.08 | christian_d | Wyzard, which log file to search for alsactl errors |
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| 14:17.25 | enouf | esaym: did i pass you this wiki thing? |
| 14:17.38 | d-b-usb | "package menu contains empty file name" ....? |
| 14:17.48 | bullgard4 | enouf: Yes. Please tell me more. :-) |
| 14:18.09 | enouf | figures - perfect time to leave .. heh, i was going to fix it for him ;-/ |
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| 14:19.02 | enouf | Anyway - if someone has been following, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto , but NOTE; the kid that just left was using an OLD installer, and the issue was fixed a while back! |
| 14:19.20 | enouf | bullgard4: ;-) .. i'm thinking, reviewing |
| 14:19.33 | dutchfish | enouf, i hate that also when they do like that ;) |
| 14:20.12 | enouf | dutchfish: the funny thing is; he's been here for a while and would reply over long breaks - then he just took off :-P |
| 14:20.28 | enouf | it wasn't like a typical drive-by |
| 14:20.44 | dutchfish | enouf, still ... |
| 14:20.45 | enouf | but it's best he get the New Lenny installer anyways - screw it |
| 14:21.05 | dutchfish | !coffee enouf |
| 14:21.05 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of hippy-blend International Roast Caterers Blend for enouf, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 14:21.10 | enouf | yes, still - IRL goes on ;-) |
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| 14:21.25 | enouf | dpkg: Danke dutchfish |
| 14:21.25 | dpkg | enouf: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:21.25 | Wireless | hi all |
| 14:21.27 | zophy | what is the most recent debian stable that uses the 2.4 kernel ? |
| 14:21.37 | Wireless | can someone help me with samba? |
| 14:21.53 | zophy | samba is as samba does |
| 14:22.04 | zophy | do you like chocolate ? |
| 14:22.04 | enouf | zophy: any reason? |
| 14:22.17 | Wyzard | zophy: etch (oldstable) supports 2.4 kernels, I believe, though it uses 2.6 by default |
| 14:22.22 | enouf | that makes no sense |
| 14:22.38 | enouf | Wyzard: no it doesn't |
| 14:22.46 | zophy | enouf: my cobalt uses 2.4 as the bios (sic) |
| 14:22.50 | Wireless | i cannont access to a samba share with an user but with the first user that i've created i can |
| 14:22.53 | enouf | Sarge came with a 2.4.27 and a 2.6.8 |
| 14:23.01 | zophy | ah sarge |
| 14:23.30 | themill | bullgard4: KDE just calls them "File Associations". |
| 14:23.43 | enouf | Wyzard: hi - sorry about the semi-tert response from me ;-) |
| 14:23.59 | bullgard4 | themill: Ah, where did you dig that out? |
| 14:24.18 | themill | bullgard4: K Control Centre has that as the label for those settings. |
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| 14:24.19 | zophy | kde is too sucky |
| 14:24.24 | enouf | bullgard4: i really don't know, but it's up to the application, i think -- bullgard4 look in kcotrol |
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| 14:24.28 | enouf | er kcontrol |
| 14:24.38 | bullgard4 | themill: Thank you. |
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| 14:25.06 | enouf | bullgard4: if that's all you wanted know? sheesh .. that was easy :-P |
| 14:25.38 | enouf | i thought you wanted some technical detailed term paper on how applications use those things ... or something :-P |
| 14:26.09 | bullgard4 | enouf: Well, if I have the proper English terms, I can start snooping. -- So I will proceed. -- Thank you. |
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| 14:26.53 | exodus | hello to everybody |
| 14:26.59 | enouf | bullgard4: no prob .. i just .. nevermind ;-) |
| 14:27.48 | exodus | i have got the following problem: when X-server starts the terminals (tty1-tty6) get nearby invisible |
| 14:27.55 | exodus | in some way nebulised |
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| 14:28.12 | Wyzard | enouf: I thought lenny was the first that actually dropped support for 2.4 kernels |
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| 14:28.24 | exodus | does anyone have got an idea about this? |
| 14:29.16 | Wireless | none help me? |
| 14:29.43 | exodus | i don't know if this is a debian- or a kernel-based problem |
| 14:29.53 | Wyzard | exodus: Use Ctrl-Alt-F1 for switching out of X, rather than Alt-F1 |
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| 14:30.09 | enouf | Wyzard: /msg dpkg dbse (IIRC, that last url ) |
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| 14:30.22 | enouf | Wyzard: crap - i think you're correct |
| 14:30.25 | enouf | "* libc 2.3.6 * support for 2.2 kernels has been dropped. libc will refuse to be installed on 2.2 kernels, the solution is to install a 2.4 (or a 2.6) kernel before the upgrade." |
| 14:30.27 | scyth | when will sid become "testing" ?:) |
| 14:30.30 | exodus | Wyzard: yes i use ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 14:30.50 | enouf | http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch |
| 14:31.00 | dutchfish | !sid |
| 14:31.00 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 14:31.17 | enouf | zophy: following? |
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| 14:31.51 | scyth | !testing |
| 14:31.51 | dpkg | testing is, like, a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and given that lenny has only just been released, users of squeeze are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. <lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target>. |
| 14:32.08 | Wyzard | exodus: and what's the problem? |
| 14:32.11 | dutchfish | scyth, normally after 14 days a package trafers to testing, if it is not to broken |
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| 14:33.06 | exodus | the problem is when i change to the terminal (by pressing ctrl-alt-f1) .... the terminal is in some way nebulised |
| 14:33.16 | enouf | Wyzard: aha! Removed packages * 2.4 kernels are only supported for upgrade from sarge. Users should install a 2.6 kernel after (or before) the upgrade (please see the release notes on that). |
| 14:33.24 | scyth | dutchfish, it's just I was always "testing" user... for 6 years now... but I was "forced" because of kde-4.2 to switch over to unstable/experimental |
| 14:33.29 | exodus | i nearby can't see anything |
| 14:33.39 | exodus | just when the room is very dark |
| 14:33.40 | exodus | :9 |
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| 14:33.45 | exodus | :) |
| 14:33.48 | Wyzard | enouf: ah, didn't know that |
| 14:33.53 | themill | bullgard4: freedesktop.org is probably the place to look for more details. |
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| 14:34.11 | dutchfish | scyth, well, kde-4.2 is not nearly complete, so that will take some time i gues |
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| 14:34.21 | enouf | Wyzard: wait ... |
| 14:34.23 | bullgard4 | themill: I will have a look there. -- Thank you. |
| 14:34.29 | enouf | Wyzard: the plot thinkens |
| 14:34.35 | enouf | thickens even |
| 14:34.37 | enouf | 2.3 Major kernel-related changes Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ships with kernel version 2.6.18 for all architectures; the release is still mostly [5] compatible with 2.4 kernels, but Debian no longer provides or supports 2.4 kernel packages. |
| 14:34.58 | enouf | 2.3 Major kernel-related changes http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html |
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| 14:35.31 | dutchfish | scyth, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kde |
| 14:36.34 | scyth | versions for squeeze are too old ... :( |
| 14:36.49 | scyth | still 3.x |
| 14:37.18 | dutchfish | scyth, they are in experimental now |
| 14:37.48 | scyth | 4.1 version is far from "experimental" name ... |
| 14:37.55 | dutchfish | scyth, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
| 14:38.12 | scyth | I'm using 4.2 from experimental .. and it works great ... |
| 14:38.24 | scyth | I just wanna see it in "testing" ... soon |
| 14:38.53 | dutchfish | scyth, there is more to it, then the eye meat |
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| 14:39.54 | scyth | it's not "perfectly" stable ... but that's why we don't want it in "lenny" ... |
| 14:40.08 | scyth | but we all want it in "testing" ... |
| 14:40.16 | dutchfish | scyth, give the poor huys a bit time, will you, to sort things out |
| 14:40.22 | dutchfish | s/huys/guys |
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| 14:41.35 | enouf | Wyzard: it's good we dug into this, that factoid (i had made sometime ago) needed some serious updating - done .. i had forgotten all about that factoid |
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| 14:42.38 | emilsedgh | how can i increase mysql's max_connections in debian? i cannot find where is the config file (i searched google, im still doing) |
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| 14:43.16 | asg | emilsedgh: in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 14:43.28 | zophy | anyway i get some message about the kernel being too old when i nfs boot my cobalt |
| 14:43.36 | emilsedgh | asg: i should set it under [mysql] section? |
| 14:43.46 | asg | emilsedgh: max_connections is under the [mysqld] section |
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| 14:46.20 | emilsedgh | thanks asg :) |
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| 14:49.11 | dutchfish | zophy, booting over PXE? |
| 14:49.21 | asg | emilsedgh: you're welcome |
| 14:50.18 | enouf | anything that requires epoll() will fail, since 2.4 doesn't have that |
| 14:50.48 | enouf | and other things only found in 2.6 |
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| 14:54.19 | dutchfish | zophy, if squashfs cant mount over nfs, you prolly need to update your syslinux from your / in your tftp-hpa server |
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| 14:56.06 | Akuw | i want to install cinerella but have problems with dependencies |
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| 14:56.51 | amoe | anyone know how to specify an exact number of bytes for a partition in the lenny installer? |
| 14:57.02 | enouf | amoe: why? |
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| 14:57.23 | amoe | enouf: because I want my partition to be exactly that size |
| 14:57.48 | enouf | amoe: parted lists bytes - oh, but in partman/libparted not sure - see the man page ;-) |
| 14:58.04 | dutchfish | amoe, it will be rounded by the nearest cyl/sect anayway |
| 14:58.06 | enouf | or. just use parted prior |
| 14:58.12 | amoe | dutchfish: that's fine |
| 14:58.26 | dutchfish | amoe, just the number = bytes |
| 14:58.40 | enouf | sector, is a must - cylinder boundaries are iffy |
| 14:58.42 | zophy | hmmm... this cobalt boots a 2.4 kernel from ROM and mount a filesystem via nfs, the 2.4 kernel is a problem, old technology |
| 14:58.47 | Akuw | http://www.pastebin.ca/1343708 |
| 14:58.51 | amoe | nah, it says that value is outside of the disk |
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| 14:59.09 | amoe | must be treating it as a cylinder/sector |
| 14:59.27 | enouf | amoe: if you narrow it down to a K amount, it can only be off via 1024bytes |
| 14:59.28 | dutchfish | zophy, argghh.. then you should update your rom i gues |
| 15:00.00 | amoe | enouf: cool |
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| 15:01.11 | enouf | amoe: well, 2048, if 1024 can be either way off your desired point .. |
| 15:01.12 | dutchfish | zophy, or run an older version of nfs |
| 15:02.37 | dutchfish | zophy, or skip it totally and boot through PXE |
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| 15:05.23 | DragoraN | how to measure hdd speed? pv /dev/zero > test is enough? |
| 15:05.44 | dutchfish | DragoraN, hdparm -tT i gues |
| 15:05.56 | DragoraN | i heared that that is not true |
| 15:05.56 | jelly | DragoraN: speed when doing what? |
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| 15:06.04 | DragoraN | from ram to HDD |
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| 15:07.06 | jelly | doing _what_ from ram to hdd? sustained write with one stream? multiple streams? random access? block size? at the beginning of disk? at the end? |
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| 15:07.16 | DragoraN | ok ok |
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| 15:08.35 | jelly | I mean, hdparm is as good as anything. If you want to see raw sustained read performance from the beginning of device. |
| 15:09.01 | stoned | jelly |
| 15:09.08 | Akuw | any help ? |
| 15:09.20 | jelly | stoned stoned stoned |
| 15:09.21 | stoned | its saturday |
| 15:09.25 | stoned | why are you working? |
| 15:09.36 | jelly | stoned: I get paid for it. |
| 15:09.47 | stoned | yeh, but thats no reason to work one more day |
| 15:09.54 | jelly | I get paid more? |
| 15:09.57 | peyman_t | Akuw: by all means, only if you had an english version |
| 15:10.05 | stoned | do you really 'need' the money? |
| 15:10.11 | enouf | ... |
| 15:10.19 | enouf | OT! |
| 15:10.21 | stoned | I'm against working 5 to enjoy 2, or any thing that gives you shitty odds |
| 15:10.33 | stoned | in your case working six to enjoy 1 |
| 15:10.38 | enouf | as in OverTime :-) |
| 15:10.43 | stoned | thats just fucked up, but its it is in overtime ;) |
| 15:10.44 | stoned | my bad |
| 15:11.15 | jelly | stoned: there's a deadline that needs to be met. |
| 15:11.51 | enouf | isn't there always? ;-) |
| 15:12.15 | themill | so you're chatting on irc... must be an important deadline :) |
| 15:12.25 | jelly | !penixstrike |
| 15:12.25 | dpkg | Dozens of Penices shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
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| 15:13.09 | c7a71k | hi |
| 15:13.40 | stoned | thats just the most terrible factoid |
| 15:13.45 | stoned | the original was at least bearable |
| 15:13.47 | c7a71k | does anyone know anything about getting sk98lin running on lenny? ...sky2 drops UDP packets with my card, and `make menuconfig` is failing |
| 15:13.52 | jelly | !penixstrike stoned |
| 15:13.52 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:14.00 | stoned | there it is |
| 15:14.12 | stoned | I use sky2 as well, but what is sk98lin? |
| 15:14.23 | c7a71k | an alternative driver |
| 15:14.25 | stoned | is that the module name? |
| 15:14.27 | stoned | I see |
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| 15:14.35 | c7a71k | yeeah it is the name |
| 15:14.37 | stoned | I've never heard of it |
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| 15:14.55 | stoned | well which nic do you have? |
| 15:15.07 | c7a71k | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 19) |
| 15:15.10 | jelly | the vendor's driver used to be named that way. An in-kernel driver named sk98lin was replaced by skge. |
| 15:15.23 | c7a71k | i had the same problem with etch.. installing sk98lin fixed it |
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| 15:15.37 | c7a71k | '*** 'make menuconfig' requires the ncurses libraries.' |
| 15:15.41 | c7a71k | but i have them installed |
| 15:15.49 | asg | libncurses5-dev |
| 15:15.55 | dutchfish | c7a71k, ncurses5-dev |
| 15:15.57 | jelly | c7a71k: and build-essential |
| 15:15.59 | c7a71k | pi libncurses5-dev |
| 15:16.05 | c7a71k | i'll try build-essential |
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| 15:16.13 | enouf | c7a71k: http://wiki.debian.org/libertas |
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| 15:16.48 | c7a71k | i don't think that's what i need |
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| 15:16.53 | c7a71k | this is an ethernet nic not wireless |
| 15:17.13 | enouf | oh, duh |
| 15:17.34 | c7a71k | make menuconfig still fails after installing build-essential :| |
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| 15:18.04 | jerng | hi all, is there a packet for mozilla-sunbird in the official debian repositories (main) ? |
| 15:18.21 | asg | jerng: it's called icedove in debian |
| 15:18.40 | c7a71k | ah i actually *didnt* have libncurses5-dev, my bad |
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| 15:18.52 | jerng | asg: icedove would be thunderbird, wouldn't it? |
| 15:19.54 | c7a71k | k if no one has any clues on sk98lin i'm going back to recompiling with it in |
| 15:19.55 | asg | jerng: ah, my mistake. Sorry. |
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| 15:20.47 | jerng | asg: ah, found it, it's called ICEOWL |
| 15:20.51 | __kk | Just installed Lenny. Why does "gimp" require a huge bundle of gnome libraries? Is there a package without these dependencies? |
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| 15:21.17 | asg | jerng: yep |
| 15:23.43 | themill | __kk: libraries such as? |
| 15:23.49 | Tapout | etch->lenny |
| 15:25.43 | __kk | themill: libgnome2-common, gnome-keyring, gconf2, etc |
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| 15:26.26 | themill | __kk: "aptitude why gimp libgnome2-common" will answer your question then. |
| 15:27.00 | themill | __kk: You can install without the recommended packages, but be aware that some functionality will then be missing. |
| 15:27.56 | Myxb | some cli commands like ifconfig are available only to superuser? how to make available also to normal user? |
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| 15:28.25 | enouf | Myxb: just type /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:28.53 | maligor | heh, am I stupid or what.. I've been inverting grep matches for a list but it means it prints them all non-matching for every single item |
| 15:28.56 | enouf | Myxb: or add /sbin:/usr/sbin: to PATH - you still need root/sudo |
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| 15:29.07 | enouf | to make changes - just not for reading |
| 15:29.20 | enouf | no matter what your PATH ends up being |
| 15:30.13 | enouf | Myxb: add you user to the adm group to be able to easily read log files in /var/log/ |
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| 15:30.58 | Myxb | enouf: where to change the PATH? and yes, i forgot about the group.. |
| 15:31.04 | enouf | Myxb: as your user, if there's one or a few that are like /sbin/ifconfig ; make aliases in your .bashrc |
| 15:31.35 | enouf | so; alias if='/sbin/ifconfig -a' for ex |
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| 15:31.43 | enouf | well .. wait |
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| 15:32.19 | enouf | heh, make the if more like ifii or something or maybe fff - you type if in the shell a lot :-) |
| 15:32.25 | themill | quite! |
| 15:32.53 | enouf | Myxb: change it in ~/.bashrc (or whatever rc for your shell) |
| 15:33.13 | themill | alias ifconfig=/sbin/ifconfig should be enough. |
| 15:33.17 | salvin | who has a dist-upgraded sid with gnome? |
| 15:33.28 | enouf | themill: ah .. but only an "if<enter>" would trigger it :-P |
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| 15:33.54 | Myxb | well, thanks! another one: i install apps (for example. kvirc) via cli. it is installed but never shows in gnome menu. how to fix that? |
| 15:33.56 | enouf | themill: just don't end sentences or code lines with if :-P |
| 15:34.27 | enouf | Myxb: maybe man update-menus? or some gnome things |
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| 15:34.51 | enouf | Myxb: try gconf-editor .. maybe - dunno, i don't use gnomw |
| 15:35.07 | salvin | who has a dist-upgraded sid with gnome? |
| 15:35.20 | jpinx | anyone expert in wine? I need to run a couple of windows apps on lenny. After aptitude install wine I get a configurator for wine, but no obvious way to actually install a programme |
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| 15:37.31 | V13 | hello, should KDE4 python apps install their modules in /usr/share/<projectname> or in /usr/share/kde4/apps/<projectname> ? |
| 15:37.44 | Myxb | enouf: i switched from ubuntu today. the menus were updated there automatically, so i just wonder. |
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| 15:40.45 | xxiao | texinfo 4.11 breaks my gcc(libiberty) compiling, the configure script complains "missing makeinfo" |
| 15:40.50 | jelly | Myxb: it's possible there are no triggers to update the menus for the user currently logged in. Running update-menus should make it appear (if kvirc itself installs a freedesktop menu entry) |
| 15:41.07 | xxiao | how do I roll it back to 4.8 under lenny? |
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| 15:41.36 | pem3v78 | how can I remap Alt-k to produce 'return' key press in Xorg / Gnome ? |
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| 15:43.17 | jelly | judd: find bin/makeinfo |
| 15:43.18 | judd | jelly: Error: "find" is not a valid command. |
| 15:43.53 | jelly | xxiao: is there really no /usr/bin/makeinfo ? |
| 15:43.59 | pem3v78 | I managed to use xbindkeys and xmacroplay, but it's slow :( |
| 15:44.06 | Akuw | any tool to convert from wmv to mpg ? |
| 15:44.38 | V13 | makeinfo is in texinfo, which is available for lenny |
| 15:44.42 | enouf | jpinx: i think the dir of ~/.wine/c: might be something |
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| 15:49.20 | Tapout | what's the command to show how to build sid packages on lenny by source |
| 15:49.26 | Tapout | i forget, it's like .. bpp or something |
| 15:49.34 | asg | Tapout: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 15:49.56 | Tapout | yes, thank you |
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| 15:58.40 | jpinx | enouf: I've got as far as trying to install the .exe after adding a missing .dll, but the programme (irfanview) won't actually run |
| 15:59.26 | enouf | jpinx: ouch .. why not? if there's one win app i like, it was that |
| 15:59.51 | jpinx | enouf: yep - me too |
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| 16:00.23 | enouf | jpinx: what does won't actually run mean? asked in #wine i'm sure someone else has tried that app |
| 16:00.26 | jpinx | I've been reading all morning and people have got it to work on wine on redhat, so there must be a way..... |
| 16:00.36 | enouf | bingo |
| 16:00.40 | enouf | hop skip to it |
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| 16:00.49 | jpinx | heh #wine is invite only - i got kicked on entry |
| 16:00.49 | enouf | and then install DVDShrink :-P |
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| 16:00.58 | enouf | #winehq ? |
| 16:01.10 | enouf | !wine |
| 16:01.10 | dpkg | methinks wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/, #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A not so buggy anymore alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
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| 16:01.45 | jpinx | aha - I was trying to join |
| 16:02.00 | jpinx | #wine - not #winehq ;) |
| 16:03.22 | V13 | try wine apps |
| 16:04.32 | jpinx | V13: what is wine apps? |
| 16:04.46 | V13 | first result in google :P |
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| 16:05.07 | V13 | a database for wine tricks for various apps |
| 16:05.13 | V13 | you want this: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7834 |
| 16:05.19 | V13 | don't know if it is going to help you though |
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| 16:06.02 | themill | jpinx: did you run it from the cli? It complains about specific dlls that you should be able to get hold of |
| 16:06.16 | jpinx | there doesn't appear to be a searchable list of apps and how to make them work in wine |
| 16:06.44 | jpinx | themill: I resolved the missing .dll and got a clean install of the .exe |
| 16:06.45 | V13 | search at the top right |
| 16:07.00 | V13 | or go to the link i pasted |
| 16:07.01 | salvin | i see .desktop files as plain text files in nautilus |
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| 16:07.06 | salvin | what do i modify? |
| 16:07.18 | themill | jpinx: the wine appdb is searchable as is the codeweaver's appdb |
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| 16:07.45 | jpinx | ok |
| 16:07.47 | V13 | jpinx: or go to "browse apps" and search from there |
| 16:08.11 | jpinx | been there - done that ;) |
| 16:08.25 | V13 | ok.. here's your t-shirt |
| 16:08.30 | themill | jpinx: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=163 |
| 16:08.59 | jpinx | I'm going for another attempt to install the .exe - there was some wierdness at the very end and the cl did not exit cleanly |
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| 16:09.24 | sdoq | hi! what are the voip app on linux that can help a 3-way conference in a pc-to-pc call? |
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| 16:09.57 | V13 | sdoq: twinkle does that i believe... haven't tested it |
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| 16:14.26 | V13 | heh... firefox running under wine is faster than native :) |
| 16:14.43 | V13 | (http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/benchmarks/browser-benchmarks-2-even-wine-beats-linux-firefox.html) |
| 16:15.02 | m3ltdown | i've got a server with heavy I/O using ext3, i assume a decent degree of fragmentation on the main partition, where 99% of the I/O is done. now ext3 has a fine way to avoid fragmentation, but in my case (>95% disk usage, 90% of CPU goes to I/O) i might assume that the level of fragmentation became relevant within the past months, the server is working for about one year by now. i do notice some performance issues compared to oth |
| 16:15.02 | m3ltdown | er servers in the same environment, which are running for about one month or so. now i'm searching for means to defragment the partition which is kind of hard (i mean the research for information), because ext2 supports that somehow but ext3 does not any more. one suggestion was to backup the data, purge it from the disk and restore it from the backup again to rewrite all the data to the disk again, which would "remove" the frag |
| 16:15.03 | m3ltdown | mentation in this case. but in my env there is no space to store the backup - it's all about 500-1000GB per server ... any ideas? |
| 16:15.33 | maligor | V13, I wonder how usable that result is, there's no mention of plugins |
| 16:15.59 | V13 | it says it looked javascript |
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| 16:16.04 | V13 | ah.. usable.. |
| 16:16.27 | Wyzard | m3ltdown: It's not that ext3 doesn't support defragmentation, it's that the defrag tool doesn't support ext3 |
| 16:16.41 | Wyzard | m3ltdown: I think it might not even support modern variants of ext2, actually (though I'm not sure) |
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| 16:17.07 | V13 | I wouldn't use that since the 0.1 seconds of extra delay would be less than the mental delay translating /tmp to Z:\tmp |
| 16:17.12 | m3ltdown | btw. i also assume a loss of disk space due to multiple usage of blocks with unused data in each block. compared to other servers the old ones seem to have less space with more or less equal file count and storage space usage |
| 16:17.13 | maligor | ext4 will support online defrag eventually |
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| 16:17.17 | Wyzard | m3ltdown: I've read that ext4 supports online defragmentation (e.g. while the system is running, no need to unmount) |
| 16:17.23 | Wyzard | dunno whether the tool to do it is available yet |
| 16:17.25 | maligor | but I wouldn't use that on servers |
| 16:17.28 | maligor | not yet anyway |
| 16:17.30 | V13 | xfs already does support online defrag |
| 16:17.53 | m3ltdown | i could even take ext3 for defrag, but it's about the fact that i do now know any means to do that other than that one i suggested (backup, purge, restore) |
| 16:17.55 | V13 | (xfs_fsr)... works great... |
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| 16:18.30 | m3ltdown | maligor: "not yet ready anyway" is the reason why i'm not using ext4 |
| 16:18.32 | wanderingi | does the qa.debian.org site not exist any more? |
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| 16:18.58 | V13 | m3ltdown if fragmentation is your problem then i suggest you consider changing to xfs. xfs_fsr works very well. Still needs free space. |
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| 16:19.16 | Wyzard | m3ltdown: ext4 is out of "development" as of 2.6.28 |
| 16:19.25 | m3ltdown | yes, i read that.... |
| 16:19.39 | sneezewort | Is there a safe way to cancel a forced disk check? |
| 16:19.43 | maligor | Wyzard, doesn't mean it's been field tested properly :P |
| 16:20.05 | V13 | ctrl-c ? |
| 16:20.15 | maligor | you should wait till ubuntu or fedora starts using it and see the fallout :P |
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| 16:20.24 | enouf | safe? |
| 16:20.33 | Wyzard | I plan to try it out on my laptop once sid gets 2.6.28 |
| 16:20.39 | enouf | just don't run it ;0 |
| 16:20.43 | V13 | not 100% sure. never had problems. never interrupted it when doing changes |
| 16:20.45 | m3ltdown | online defragmentation means that the partition is able to be defragmented while in operation - not that defragmentation is not necessary since this is done automatically, true? |
| 16:20.55 | V13 | yes |
| 16:20.56 | m3ltdown | because i can't imagine a way how a fs could do that automatically |
| 16:21.07 | V13 | most probably you don't want to |
| 16:21.15 | frostschutz | m3ltdown: it's like windows defrag utility... ;-) |
| 16:21.22 | m3ltdown | what is windows? |
| 16:21.29 | V13 | imagine a FS defragmenting 4GB files by itself :) |
| 16:21.41 | Wyzard | m3ltdown: well, it means you can have a low-priority defrag running continuously in the background, like a daemon |
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| 16:21.47 | Wyzard | or schedule it periodically with cron |
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| 16:21.50 | m3ltdown | that would be nice |
| 16:21.57 | V13 | that what xfs_fsr does |
| 16:22.02 | frostschutz | m3ltdown: but you shouldn't notice fragmentation much unless it's extreme... on a server with heavy I/O the I/O is going to be random anyways unless you're reading/writing only one file at a time |
| 16:22.08 | maligor | V13, that's why you have extents |
| 16:22.09 | enouf | i bet zfs has something like that |
| 16:22.17 | m3ltdown | can't await ext4 :/ ... i think online defrag is an important issue in ext4, it would be a shame if that support would be cut off |
| 16:22.36 | enouf | m3ltdown: just curious is the dir_index option set on your ext3? |
| 16:22.46 | V13 | maligor: would extends prohibit defrag of large files ? |
| 16:22.48 | wanderingi | m trying to find out a bit of information on how debian uses quality assurance practices, but the site seems to be down. anyone here able to offer any information? |
| 16:23.02 | m3ltdown | sure, but i read lots of benchmarks and experiments using backup->purge->restore and similar things, the result was pretty positive by means of performance in most cases |
| 16:23.11 | m3ltdown | yes, dir_index is set |
| 16:23.12 | enouf | !qa |
| 16:23.12 | dpkg | [qa] Quality Assurance (buzzword for "we test it until it's mostly fixed"), or http://qa.debian.org/, or debian-qa@lists.debian.org |
| 16:23.15 | maligor | V13, no, I don't see why it would, but it decreases large file defragmentation when used correctly |
| 16:23.24 | maligor | err.. fragmentation, not de :P |
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| 16:23.57 | enouf | m3ltdown: have you considered the noatime/relatime mount options? |
| 16:24.15 | V13 | (qa.debian.org is down) |
| 16:24.19 | m3ltdown | any ideas about plans or so, when ext4 might be considered as "stable enough" ? i'd assume 2010, what's your opinion? |
| 16:24.32 | zinx | 2009 |
| 16:24.33 | enouf | significant cut in useless disk writes |
| 16:24.42 | maligor | m3ltdown, a few months after it's default on some popular distro |
| 16:24.46 | m3ltdown | noatime is disabled ....what is relatime? |
| 16:24.47 | enouf | 111 |
| 16:24.52 | zinx | ext filesystem development goes pretty fast |
| 16:24.54 | maligor | it should shake out most issues |
| 16:25.00 | enouf | disabled? |
| 16:25.09 | m3ltdown | not considered for mount |
| 16:25.11 | enouf | atime is disabled? |
| 16:25.13 | V13 | m3ltdown: noatime is disabled means that you use atimes or not ? |
| 16:25.15 | enouf | using noatime? |
| 16:25.15 | m3ltdown | so disabled, yes |
| 16:25.16 | zinx | m3ltdown: read the docs? it's a hack to make some email client work |
| 16:25.26 | Wyzard | m3ltdown: relatime is explained in "man mount" |
| 16:25.32 | m3ltdown | give me a sec |
| 16:25.36 | enouf | i think you really don't know ;-) |
| 16:25.53 | enouf | cause you answered it like you didn't recognize it |
| 16:26.16 | m3ltdown | erm, in other words: access-time is not in use, since it is passed to mount |
| 16:26.20 | m3ltdown | same for nodiratime |
| 16:26.25 | V13 | search for noatime in /proc/mounts for the affected partition.... if it is not found add it to fstab and do a remount with that option |
| 16:26.33 | V13 | hm |
| 16:26.47 | V13 | m3ltdown are you sure you have 100% cpu usage ? |
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| 16:26.53 | enouf | noatime also implies nodiratime |
| 16:26.54 | V13 | perhaps it is iowait ? |
| 16:27.13 | enouf | i thought he said he had both :-/ |
| 16:27.14 | m3ltdown | not 100, but in rush hour the load is pretty high, iowait, yes |
| 16:27.25 | V13 | iowait is not cpu usage |
| 16:27.35 | ces200 | Google Earth for GNU/Linux 5.0.11337.1968 |
| 16:27.35 | ces200 | Unrecognized Google Earth version (use --force to build anyway) , help me |
| 16:27.41 | enouf | it could even be network bottlenecking |
| 16:27.43 | V13 | means the running process wait for i/o to complete and there are not other jobs that want to run |
| 16:27.53 | V13 | it's I/O not CPU |
| 16:28.05 | m3ltdown | on software-raid, doesn't this mean that iowait eats CPU as well? |
| 16:28.11 | m3ltdown | because the CPU has to control that access |
| 16:28.15 | zinx | ces200: try using --force |
| 16:28.16 | V13 | ? |
| 16:28.23 | m3ltdown | there is no raid-controller in software-daid |
| 16:28.25 | m3ltdown | r |
| 16:28.28 | enouf | well .. to perform the raid calcs, yep |
| 16:28.35 | m3ltdown | that's what i mean |
| 16:28.39 | Wyzard | m3ltdown: RAID calculation isn't iowait though |
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| 16:28.43 | m3ltdown | top shows me in that case 0% idle, but 100% iowait |
| 16:28.48 | V13 | no... it doesn't mean that the program waits the kernel |
| 16:28.54 | enouf | Wyzard: it cannot be? or ... |
| 16:28.56 | V13 | systime is the kernel time |
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| 16:29.39 | Wyzard | iowait is when the CPU is idle but disk activity is pending |
| 16:29.43 | enouf | i mean his high CPU could be caused by some of the raid calcs, that's what i was getting at mostly .. |
| 16:29.46 | V13 | iowait means that you have i/o and only that... |
| 16:29.57 | V13 | it is NOT CPU activity |
| 16:30.01 | V13 | the cpu is idle during iowait |
| 16:30.13 | V13 | if you start a second program you'll see iowait dissapear and the second program get the cpu |
| 16:30.15 | enouf | would you please shut up |
| 16:30.15 | m3ltdown | so what does it mean when top shows 0% idle, 100% wait? |
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| 16:30.28 | enouf | not good |
| 16:30.38 | enouf | pending processes |
| 16:30.42 | V13 | enouf: he said he has iowait.. not user os sys |
| 16:31.01 | enouf | V13: he said he has high iowait AND high CPU |
| 16:31.08 | themill | !dbugs 514052 |
| 16:31.12 | V13 | iowait is added to cpu total |
| 16:31.13 | dpkg | #514052:N[googleearth-package] googleearth-package: Update needed for the new 5.0 version (patch); Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:06:01 UTC [] |
| 16:31.23 | V13 | aka cpu total = 100 - idle |
| 16:31.24 | Wyzard | m3ltdown: it means your disks can't keep up with the load, and your processes are all blocked waiting for I/O |
| 16:31.29 | m3ltdown | yes both, that's true - in rush hour CPU and iowait are "the bottleneck" |
| 16:31.33 | themill | ces200: ^^ check dpkg's last line |
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| 16:31.40 | m3ltdown | that's how i got it, yes |
| 16:32.15 | ces200 | how can i patch |
| 16:32.20 | enouf | m3ltdown: have you tried a kernel with altered PREEMPT and HZ interrupt timer settings? |
| 16:32.26 | V13 | m3ltdown: if your sys and user cpu usage is low (and hi/si) then you don't have a cpu problem |
| 16:32.29 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 16:32.52 | bbelt16ag | how would I find out the bugs and issues with a package like dvd+rw-tools and growisofs? |
| 16:32.53 | V13 | can you copy-paste a line from top? |
| 16:32.54 | enouf | m3ltdown: are you aware of vmstat, and watching/using it, and iotop? |
| 16:33.02 | m3ltdown | let's just get back to relatime (mount). this is - as far as i understand man mount - almost the same as noatime, except that it updates the inode access time relative to modify or change time, true? |
| 16:33.12 | Wyzard | bbelt16ag: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 16:33.19 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 16:33.19 | bbelt16ag | ty |
| 16:33.22 | themill | ces200: all the patch does in the bug is to add the version string to the list of allowed versions. The --force option should work for you in that case. |
| 16:33.29 | m3ltdown | enouf: no, the kernel is debian-default |
| 16:33.30 | enouf | m3ltdown: if noatime was there already, leave it |
| 16:33.32 | bbelt16ag | just want to see if they having problems like me |
| 16:33.55 | m3ltdown | yes that how i configured it in the beginning, so i saw no relevance in relatime there |
| 16:33.57 | enouf | m3ltdown: i would change it to relatime only if some app can't work right without some aspect of atime |
| 16:34.03 | m3ltdown | not the case |
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| 16:34.58 | m3ltdown | and thanks for the hint, i did not know about iotop, let me check it out |
| 16:35.30 | xingu | m3ltdown: if the filesystem is >95% full all the defragmentation in the world won't help |
| 16:35.49 | enouf | heh, mine's about that now :-P |
| 16:36.03 | enouf | throw in more arrays! |
| 16:36.08 | xingu | m3ltdown: at that utilisation any ufslike file system will go bananas each and every time you ask it to search for a free block |
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| 16:36.51 | enouf | m3ltdown: when you need storage, do you add disks to the arrays? (like add 1 to an existing raid5 that has 3) or do you create another new array and add that? |
| 16:36.57 | ces200 | i dont setup google earth |
| 16:37.32 | m3ltdown | need of more storage implies a new server, because that also implies that the current server is really at its limits |
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| 16:37.49 | m3ltdown | so 95% is just an example, which is valid for one server |
| 16:38.01 | m3ltdown | usualy there is about 60-90% free space |
| 16:38.14 | enouf | ces200: i have no idea how to help with your issue - maybe try ##linux also if nobody here responds in a few more |
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| 16:38.49 | xingu | m3ltdown: the critical point tends to be around 90% util; stay under it; there's more than one reason why the defaults reserved area is sized the way it is |
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| 16:40.30 | m3ltdown | thanks for the hints guys. so my option for now is to wait for stable ext4 and to use iotop to determine problems :> |
| 16:40.37 | xingu | m3ltdown: extents will help significantly; the answer with io performance issues is almost universally 1/ profile the problem case (iostat, vmstat) 2/ add disks until avg svc time meets expectation |
| 16:41.23 | m3ltdown | svc..? |
| 16:41.44 | xingu | m3ltdown: it'd be a very very good idea to establish what your io mix actually was (write size/ read size/ iops in flight) |
| 16:41.49 | xingu | m3ltdown: service time |
| 16:42.08 | xingu | m3ltdown: ie delay before retiring (completing) read or write |
| 16:42.26 | vyrgozunqk | hi guys, does someone knows some nice ciryllic fonts ? |
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| 16:42.36 | vyrgozunqk | and where can i find them |
| 16:42.38 | vyrgozunqk | :) |
| 16:43.22 | xingu | m3ltdown: frequently if you sit down and measure this stuff, scope for improvement will surface; for instance you may be needlessly blending a linear-read mix with a scattered write mix on the same spindle group |
| 16:43.45 | m3ltdown | xingu: > a very very good idea to establish what your io mix actually was .. what in particular is it you mean? |
| 16:44.21 | xingu | m3ltdown: ie, contention is generally speaking the bane of storage design - it's expensive to solve it, it's better to redesign the volume layout such that it doesn't occur in the first place |
| 16:44.35 | xingu | m3ltdown: just as I said; read size, write size, io/s in flight |
| 16:44.40 | m3ltdown | the problem for me is that access on the whole disk(s) is happening in a random way |
| 16:45.08 | xingu | m3ltdown: a storage design for large numbers of small reads outstanding is not the right design for small numbers of large reads outstanding |
| 16:45.30 | xingu | m3ltdown: right; so why? what's the application? |
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| 16:45.39 | xingu | m3ltdown: and what is it trying to achieve? |
| 16:46.39 | m3ltdown | shared webhosting is the appication. many users accessing files (e.g. store, edit), site-visitors and db-applications which access them (downloads, sql-queries) |
| 16:47.10 | jpinx | if I add the repository for wine so that I get the latest version, will it conflict witht he debian repo? |
| 16:47.25 | m3ltdown | it will install the latest wine-packages only |
| 16:47.42 | themill | jpinx: you might want to uninstall all the debian wine packages first. |
| 16:47.54 | xingu | m3ltdown: ok so the last two first; download is dominated by long linear read if your fs cache is large and warm enough; sql is tricky, a rdbms will want a transaction log volume, an index, and a data volume as a minimum (each have totally different needs) |
| 16:48.12 | m3ltdown | true |
| 16:48.21 | jpinx | themill: done that - aptitude purge wine and also removed .wine from my user dir |
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| 16:48.44 | m3ltdown | so just add the wine repository of your choice to sources.list, update apt and install wine again |
| 16:48.49 | themill | jpinx: any libwine* packages left? I can't recall how tight the dependencies are. |
| 16:49.03 | xingu | m3ltdown: web serving is mostly a small-size large concurrency profile; again a primed cache and a good io scheduler will make mincemeat of it |
| 16:49.05 | jpinx | themill: I'll check.... |
| 16:49.08 | m3ltdown | themill: the new packages are capable of removing the conflicting parts |
| 16:49.28 | jpinx | dpkg -l | grep wine |
| 16:49.28 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep wine |
| 16:49.40 | xingu | m3ltdown: I'd hazard a guess that the write activity (page _updates_) are statistically insignificant and should be excluded from the design scope |
| 16:49.59 | xingu | m3ltdown: what you didn't mention was the inevitable log activity (which is linear append) |
| 16:50.01 | m3ltdown | perhaps i might profit from some info about io scheduling and disk cache - i made no changes there, it's all debian default |
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| 16:50.43 | m3ltdown | well, binary logging (for example with mysql) is disabled, httpd logs access and errors only (not even all access, just specific filetypes) |
| 16:50.49 | xingu | m3ltdown: so; if you insist on doing this all on one host you need; 1/ rdbms transaction volume; 2/ rdbms index volume; 3/ rdbms data volume; 4/ web content and download data volume; 5/ system log volume |
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| 16:50.53 | m3ltdown | besides that there is no relevant logging |
| 16:51.28 | xingu | m3ltdown: if you put those workloads onto the *same single* storage unit it's going to be a festering pile of dung; it'll do nothing, esquisitely well. |
| 16:51.58 | m3ltdown | that would be a good idea, i know that. but for most things in life, as in my case, money is in question. there are just 2 physical disks available, both used for raid1, so i've got all that on one RAID1-array |
| 16:51.59 | V13 | from my experience, use a controller with cache and battery. It will greately improve the system because sync i/o won't be actualy sync |
| 16:52.23 | m3ltdown | V13: that's one idea for future plans |
| 16:52.39 | xingu | m3ltdown: multilane sata enclosures and controllers can be had relatively cheaply these days |
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| 16:52.48 | V13 | battery backed controllers with cache are expensive (:-()... |
| 16:53.13 | m3ltdown | sure, but my datacenter still requires lots of increase in costs for such upgrades. right now i do not have my own servers |
| 16:53.24 | xingu | aah |
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| 16:54.15 | V13 | m3ltdown how much cache does your systems use ? |
| 16:54.19 | V13 | (from memory) |
| 16:54.25 | m3ltdown | but my infrastructure is growing pretty fast, money income as well, so i have future plans regarding better design, but right now i have to live with my current setup and to try to opzimize it |
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| 16:54.39 | xingu | m3ltdown: in that case moan at your vhost provider ;) at a guess what's doing the damage is the rdbms transaction log (this will be adding write barriers into your io mix, which will be deadly) |
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| 16:55.09 | V13 | xingu doesn't s/w raid add those too ? |
| 16:55.13 | xingu | m3ltdown: if there's a way to put that onto a separate spindle do so |
| 16:55.47 | digitaloktay | hi debian |
| 16:55.55 | m3ltdown | as i said, i have no nameable experience with disk cache or scheduling, it might be a good idea to study that |
| 16:56.12 | xingu | V13: not per se; mostly it depends on what the application is asking for; all the block layer will do on behalf of softraid is ask that the disks in the volume are kept coherent with their parity |
| 16:56.18 | m3ltdown | those are physical servers - they just do not belong to me |
| 16:56.27 | m3ltdown | it's not about virtual servers |
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| 16:56.48 | m3ltdown | i did not buy them, nor can i build them |
| 16:56.55 | xingu | nods |
| 16:57.15 | V13 | xingu and the superblock... right ? |
| 16:57.34 | m3ltdown | any suggestions about info or tutorials or something about disk-cache and scheduling which is relevant for this case? |
| 16:57.34 | xingu | m3ltdown: you can appreciate the limitations though; until you get more spindles frankly you're pissing in the wind |
| 16:57.48 | m3ltdown | that's life? |
| 16:58.02 | xingu | m3ltdown: pretty much; there's no scheduler that can outsmart a dumb workload mix |
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| 16:58.50 | m3ltdown | i do not even know what algorithm is in use right now? as i said, this is debian-default |
| 16:59.03 | m3ltdown | or how the disk-cache is configured |
| 16:59.13 | xingu | m3ltdown: and again it comes back to service time; your scheduler will be sorting and queueing io merrily snoozing while the disk under it is going bananas full-stroking from one end to the other in a mix of small reads, large reads, and small writes with barriers. |
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| 16:59.55 | m3ltdown | i see there is no universal solution (scheduling algorithm) for that available |
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| 17:00.29 | xingu | m3ltdown: cat /sys/block/*/queue/scheduler |
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| 17:01.11 | m3ltdown | sda/sdb: noop anticipatory deadline [cfq] |
| 17:01.22 | mrglinux | hi I define my ssh port on my debian server to 2233 I was in root I taked a mistake and run chmod 777 / because I past another path but not pasted so I close my terminal window fastest but now I can not connect to my server with 2233 port |
| 17:01.22 | mrglinux | ssh mrg.name -o port=2233 ssh: connect to host mrg.name port 22: Connection refused |
| 17:01.32 | xingu | m3ltdown: readahead is wrong for the rdbms data volume, no readahead is wrong for the web content and downloads |
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| 17:01.40 | enouf | xingu: do you think toying with the 4 or so various I/O schedulers (even on the fly) might show something either a) useful info for tshooting , and b) perhaps a small perf increase? worth a shot? or |
| 17:01.54 | xingu | m3ltdown: again until you've got more surfaces to play with, you'll waste a lot of time going nowhere |
| 17:01.55 | m3ltdown | i see the point .. :/ |
| 17:01.57 | mrglinux | what shall I do? |
| 17:02.12 | enouf | (since that doesn't require a kernel recompile, and it's easy to change) |
| 17:02.17 | xingu | enouf: no. :) |
| 17:02.24 | enouf | xingu: gracias ;-) |
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| 17:02.40 | mrglinux | what does this error mean ? => Connection closed by 209.9.237.125 |
| 17:02.55 | V13 | m3lt: how much cache is your system using ? |
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| 17:02.58 | enouf | xingu: but - hrm, how about if NCQ is disabled? and/or not using the AHCI if available? |
| 17:03.02 | mrglinux | pleas help me ... I'm so sad |
| 17:03.12 | xingu | enouf: cfq is the right choice for nearly every workload; noop can be a good pick for latency-sensitive stuff like media streaming; and deadline *can* be a good pick for some rdbms volumes (and it can also be atrocious - always benchmark) |
| 17:03.14 | V13 | if you have many reads you may be able to have great performance boost by just adding memory |
| 17:03.33 | enouf | xingu: i see - thank you .. |
| 17:03.44 | xingu | enouf: if ncq isn't available you're dead in the water, I'm sorry - I tend to assume a sane system to start with when talking about storage design :) |
| 17:04.09 | enouf | xingu: haha .. right - i'm so .. er .. fundamentalist :-) |
| 17:04.09 | V13 | xingu : i belive this is not true... |
| 17:04.16 | xingu | enouf: without ncq your sata 3Gb/s link will behave like an ata100 interface in practice |
| 17:04.41 | V13 | ncq support is most probably wrong in most systems... |
| 17:04.48 | V13 | because of combinations of controllers/drives |
| 17:05.03 | V13 | and then again it is not a good approach. there is no support for bariers with ncq |
| 17:05.06 | V13 | (right?) |
| 17:05.19 | enouf | well - i can see it becoming an factor/issue when there's striping and chunk sizes in the equation |
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| 17:05.30 | xingu | enouf: the bandwidth delay product on sata 3.0Gb/s link is scarily huge when you allow for average seek time |
| 17:05.40 | mrglinux | no idea ? |
| 17:05.40 | xingu | enouf: without ncq you're sucking a thickshake through a cheese straw |
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| 17:06.10 | mrglinux | the 2233 port is open but not connected to that |
| 17:06.11 | enouf | MickeyDs shakes are awesome! ... (after a few hours at room temp) ;-) |
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| 17:06.42 | enouf | too bad the rest of their 'food' (heh, COUGH) .. sucks ass |
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| 17:07.20 | xingu | enouf: on the down side, almost every host-end raid solution gets ncq error recovery totally wrong and is basically an accident waiting to happen |
| 17:07.26 | V13 | xingu: do you have a success story with ncq ? |
| 17:07.38 | xxtjaxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.39 | V13 | exactly |
| 17:07.47 | enouf | m3ltdown: yeah, how about the hardware - checked dmesg ? grep -i for ncg and ahci , etc - what are the disks and their caches? connected how, i presume a sata link |
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| 17:08.01 | xingu | enouf: even linux only recently fixed it and only for sii I believe, I think the intel stuff is still broken (it was november when I last looked) |
| 17:08.01 | V13 | you need sas/tcq for that thing |
| 17:08.18 | m3ltdown | ncg / ahci, no results |
| 17:08.43 | enouf | xingu: yikes .. :-/ .. hrm, i recall that LBA address issue on newer Large Hitachi's .. |
| 17:08.53 | enouf | m3ltdown: ncq |
| 17:08.53 | xingu | V13: yes; for instance I have a consumer grade box (areca 5020 controller) dangling at the far end of an ich9r channel |
| 17:09.09 | enouf | my bad, i had type g by mistake |
| 17:09.13 | V13 | with what disks ? |
| 17:09.27 | xxtjaxx | how can i add printer? |
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| 17:09.33 | xingu | V13: the controller allegedly gets ncq error recovery right (I'll never know, it's proprietry firmware; if it breaks I sue their ass is about the extent of it) |
| 17:09.41 | xingu | V13: spinpoint 1tb's |
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| 17:09.53 | enouf | m3ltdown: check you BIOS (when you get some down time) as to SATA controller mode settings - pastebin output of lspci -nnk |
| 17:09.54 | hikenboot | hello all I have two volumes on my system one called system and one called snapshots they are in a separate volume group can i take a snapshot of system and put it in snapshot if they are in a separate group if so how? |
| 17:09.54 | m3ltdown | ncq, still none |
| 17:10.08 | m3ltdown | i can't access the bios, it's about servers in a datacenter |
| 17:10.09 | V13 | ltb ? |
| 17:10.16 | enouf | or , are they scsi disks m3ltdown ? |
| 17:10.19 | V13 | xingu: is it cheaper than sas ? |
| 17:10.20 | m3ltdown | sata |
| 17:10.23 | enouf | so |
| 17:10.27 | enouf | pastebin |
| 17:10.31 | V13 | xingy (the whole solution) |
| 17:10.33 | xingu | V13: much |
| 17:10.33 | mrglinux | no idea no sultion between 920 user ? |
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| 17:11.14 | xingu | V13: when I was shopping the breakeven was about the 16spindle point; and even so you could still do more creative things with multilane sata than sas |
| 17:12.18 | V13 | no time now but.... i believe that ncq become practically useless in most cases where you need data integrity (thus deactivating disk cache) |
| 17:12.36 | xingu | V13: that's exactly what I'm touching on; it's all down to error recovery |
| 17:12.38 | V13 | when using s/w raid, since many operations need to update the superblock |
| 17:12.42 | m3ltdown | i'm confused, there is no lspci in apt on my server... it's lenny btw |
| 17:12.54 | enouf | pciutils |
| 17:12.56 | V13 | pciutils |
| 17:13.09 | m3ltdown | ah..sure |
| 17:13.32 | xingu | V13: with raid you have ncq errors propagating to the raid subsystem rather than the os; and you can only hope that it recovers the error (and in many cases this hope would be misplaced) |
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| 17:13.37 | mick_laptop | i am trying to access a system (i have a login) but it just disconnects me after i login. I see "Have a lot of fun..." then it disconnects me. I'm wondering if there is a way that i can get past this (since it does log me in, and i'm sure that they didn't give me a /bin/false as a default shell) |
| 17:13.49 | V13 | then again, i say again that he should look at his cache... perhaps some GB of memory increase the speed by a factor of N |
| 17:14.00 | xingu | V13: but the point is that *without* it you're on a hiding to nothing; one transaction outstanding, disk seek latencies == lots of idle links. |
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| 17:14.07 | V13 | xingu: i'm not suggesting h/w raid |
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| 17:14.29 | V13 | xingu yes... agreed |
| 17:14.45 | Rydekull | access #debian.se list |
| 17:14.49 | Rydekull | err |
| 17:14.53 | Rydekull | Wrong window :-D |
| 17:15.04 | mick_laptop | i tried to execute commands (like: ssh me@host ls) but it doesn't even give me a disconnect message, it just goes back to my terminal |
| 17:15.11 | xxtjaxx_ | how can i add a printer to lenny? |
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| 17:15.59 | V13 | xingu: databae usage means searching indexes. One thing about this is that you try as hard as possible to keep indexes in memory cache. If you don't you reach a bad point. |
| 17:16.04 | mick_laptop | xxtjaxx_: there are a number of graphical ways -- example kde has a frontent to cups |
| 17:16.08 | V13 | and he said he has databases |
| 17:16.08 | xingu | V13: yup |
| 17:16.13 | xingu | V13: *nod* |
| 17:16.23 | Neo_The_User | Hello. When I try building the ati drivers, it can't find ldconfig. How do I install ldconfig in debian sid? |
| 17:16.33 | Neo_The_User | ubuntu has ldconfig |
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| 17:16.47 | xingu | V13: I think it'd be a good idea for him to split the web from download from database into separate vhosts if not hosts. |
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| 17:16.55 | mick_laptop | Neo_The_User: apt-file search ldconfig |
| 17:16.58 | xingu | V13: but if costs are an issue... |
| 17:17.02 | Neo_The_User | its not in there |
| 17:17.07 | mick_laptop | i think it is in build-essentials |
| 17:17.14 | Neo_The_User | oh thank you |
| 17:17.16 | V13 | memory is really cheap |
| 17:17.17 | Neo_The_User | :D |
| 17:17.37 | Neo_The_User | oh wait, I have that installed too |
| 17:17.41 | V13 | it's better to have a lot of low speed GBs than some high speed.... for his case |
| 17:17.55 | V13 | anyway... got to go... nice talking :) |
| 17:17.59 | V13 | bye :) |
| 17:18.15 | mmlj4 | LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), how to fix, please? |
| 17:18.29 | tCzern | hello, I want to download a bootable CD of Debian that will work on an system with a 4 year old Nvidia Card. I tried already a few times with other distros and it always got stuck with a gray screen. Any chances with Debian then? |
| 17:18.40 | enouf | mmlj4: install the locales pkg(s) |
| 17:19.04 | enouf | mmlj4: run genlocale command if needed - /msg dpkg locales |
| 17:19.09 | Neo_The_User | I have an installation bug. How do I report it? |
| 17:19.10 | DevilChaos | hey guys finally got my laptop to work again but having a problem with kdm it doesnt want to see my password for normal user account as it is currently only accepting lowercase passwods with no special characters any suggestions? stable release suposedly |
| 17:19.28 | mick_laptop | tCzern: sure it might work, but the debian live cd isn't that old |
| 17:19.43 | mick_laptop | tCzern: go with a knoppix cd from 4 years ago |
| 17:19.46 | enouf | mmlj4: LC_ALL= being unset is fine - i can tell that something is kicking you that error though - the (unset) |
| 17:19.49 | Neo_The_User | Whenever I choose unstable in the lenny install CD, usb and networking don't work but if I chose testing and then upgrade to sid, it works fine. |
| 17:20.15 | enouf | mmlj4: actually, i don't think LANGUAGE= is used anymore either - only LANG= |
| 17:20.20 | mick_laptop | tCzern: it has been my experience w/ older hardware -- the older software sometimes works better (since some things get taken out of the kernel later) |
| 17:20.36 | enouf | mmlj4: check what's in /etc/default/locale too |
| 17:20.42 | enouf | and /etc/environment |
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| 17:21.33 | mick_laptop | dpkg: tell Neo_The_User about bts |
| 17:21.59 | mrglinux | why no body answer me?? |
| 17:22.09 | enouf | mrglinux: what's the issue? |
| 17:22.38 | mrglinux | enouf I taked a mistake with chmod in root on my debian server |
| 17:22.44 | mrglinux | now I can not connect to ssh |
| 17:22.52 | enouf | tCzern: i use 1999 era video cards, not an issue |
| 17:22.58 | enouf | tCzern: er nvidia ones |
| 17:23.12 | Neo_The_User | mrglinux calm down |
| 17:23.18 | mrglinux | enouf I copy a path to chmod and my command was #chmod 777 -R / |
| 17:23.22 | enouf | mrglinux: hrm .. ok .. but note; i'm not too good with networking |
| 17:23.24 | DevilChaos | might it be keyboard layout aswell as locale in gdm that are diff that i cant login with my usuall good passwords? |
| 17:23.31 | mrglinux | but when I past .not pasted and I after press enter |
| 17:23.31 | DevilChaos | kdm sorry |
| 17:23.31 | enouf | mrglinux: do you know about ##networking? |
| 17:23.33 | mick_laptop | mrglinux: why would you do that? |
| 17:23.36 | mrglinux | so I close fast |
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| 17:23.48 | mick_laptop | mrglinux: it is because the files in /etc/ssh are 777 |
| 17:23.49 | enouf | mrglinux: why would you run that command? |
| 17:24.10 | mrglinux | enouf |
| 17:24.13 | mrglinux | enouf some dir |
| 17:24.15 | mick_laptop | mrglinux: make them only editable by root (if you have physical access) |
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| 17:24.18 | mrglinux | in htdocs |
| 17:24.21 | Neo_The_User | i ran sudo rm -rf --force /usr and my system broke. how do i fix it? |
| 17:24.23 | mrglinux | has problem |
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| 17:24.28 | enouf | mrglinux: / is not some dir/ my friend |
| 17:24.33 | enouf | oh |
| 17:24.34 | mrglinux | I copy the path but |
| 17:24.35 | mick_laptop | Neo_The_User: serious? |
| 17:24.38 | Neo_The_User | yes |
| 17:24.47 | mrglinux | it didn't past and I pressed enter |
| 17:24.54 | enouf | Neo_The_User: restore from backup |
| 17:24.57 | mrglinux | and I so close terminal fast |
| 17:24.57 | Neo_The_User | i was trying to erase a folder in /usr/lib but i messed up |
| 17:25.01 | DevilChaos | re-install required? |
| 17:25.06 | mrglinux | I don't know im confiue |
| 17:25.20 | enouf | there are no folders, and you shouldn't mess about in /usr/lib/ |
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| 17:25.26 | DevilChaos | enouf:anysuggestions? |
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| 17:26.01 | enouf | not really - not with much pain - even to think about it .. you could try ext3grep i suppose |
| 17:26.10 | mrglinux | enouf but my port is open |
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| 17:26.35 | mick_laptop | i wonder if there is a project that has a "fix insain chmod" command :) |
| 17:26.43 | mick_laptop | that puts in sain permissions |
| 17:26.44 | mmlj4 | enouf: I don't have /etc/default/locale on any of my debian boxen |
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| 17:26.54 | enouf | mrglinux: i'm sorry - i can't help you my friend - i do hope another .. somewhere .. can |
| 17:27.23 | enouf | mmlj4: it's from a bygone era then - or ... you;'re using a variant of debian |
| 17:27.32 | mick_laptop | mrglinux: like i said, it will not work -- because /etc/ssh has the wrong permissions |
| 17:27.46 | mick_laptop | not to mention more can be broken if you use selinux |
| 17:27.54 | mrglinux | mick_laptop: so what shall I do? |
| 17:27.55 | mick_laptop | for selinux 777 == 000 |
| 17:27.56 | enouf | i'm almost positive the Installer plants that file there - but it could be Sarge's installer ;-) |
| 17:28.13 | mick_laptop | mrglinux: get physical access and fix it manually |
| 17:28.28 | enouf | boot a livecd? |
| 17:29.36 | enouf | m3ltdown: no lspci -nnk ? :-/ |
| 17:29.50 | mmlj4 | ok, I'm running dpkg-reconfigure locale ... do I want en_US ISO-8859-1, en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15, or en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8, or a combination thereof? |
| 17:30.04 | m3ltdown | erm |
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| 17:31.04 | mick_laptop | mrglinux: i'll /msg you |
| 17:31.13 | m3ltdown | just curious, why pci..? lspci --nk shows info from the ethernet/audio/video-devices only |
| 17:31.29 | SerajewelKS | enouf: well, the VM is still running. gonna put it back in SATA mode and see what happens in the same timeframe |
| 17:31.43 | m3ltdown | i don't see any info related to disks here |
| 17:32.36 | Linuturk | is ext4 available for debian lenny? |
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| 17:37.44 | SerajewelKS | Linuturk: ext4dev is |
| 17:37.57 | SerajewelKS | Linuturk: which presumably you don't want to use in a production environment |
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| 17:38.40 | tCzern | mick_laptop: thanks, I was thinking of Knoppix |
| 17:38.40 | enouf | xingu: haha .. i had been away .. then i came back ... started reading where i left off .. and that's when i had asked you about the i/o scheduler .. Now, i''ve just caught up to that point and i see you went into all that about 5-6 lines just above my query - funny shit man |
| 17:38.43 | Linuturk | SerajewelKS: thanks :) |
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| 17:46.44 | zrin | something strange ... |
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| 17:46.59 | zrin | bk007@dlman:~/backup$ ls -l etc/motd: lrwxrwxrwx 1 bk007 backup 25 2009-02-21 18:39 etc/motd -> /var/run/motd |
| 17:47.13 | zrin | getfattr etc/motd: <no output> |
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| 17:47.31 | zrin | getfattr -h etc/motd: getfattr: etc/motd: No such file or directory |
| 17:47.38 | zrin | ??? |
| 17:48.23 | WX_0 | That would be /etc/motd, not etc/motd |
| 17:48.39 | zrin | WX_0: it's a backup copy |
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| 17:48.54 | WX_0 | zrin: In a local directory? |
| 17:48.59 | zrin | WX_0: and the file (symb link) exists |
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| 17:49.17 | Theoden | Real Help for Firefox Users => http://howto.helpero.com/howto/Speed-Up-Firefox_31.html |
| 17:49.22 | jelly | Linuturk: the userspace is pretty much ready for ext4. To boot from it you might have to update klibc-tools to version from unstable, or use a rootfstype=ext4 boot parameter |
| 17:49.26 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps my ssh on debian stable is not allowing x1 forwarding.. its complaining it can't find xauth.. do you know where it is suppose to be or what package it is in.. |
| 17:49.32 | zrin | WX_0: yes, commands are given in ~/backup |
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| 17:49.47 | jelly | Linuturk: and you'll really want newer kernel than what's in lenny. |
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| 17:50.14 | mrglinux | http://pastebin.com/m7e2e7fa7 it is my ssh log output |
| 17:50.14 | enouf | xingu: thanks for the convo/info |
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| 17:50.40 | jelly | Linuturk: I've just installed a system with ext4 as root and custom 2.6.28.5 kernel, so far it works. |
| 17:50.50 | jerome | hi there, I'm looking for some information about power management on an imac g3 with debian PPC. Any experience with that kind of setup, suspend / hibernate support ? |
| 17:51.00 | enouf | bbelt16ag: xauth pkg |
| 17:51.04 | bbelt16ag | ok.. |
| 17:51.14 | enouf | bbelt16ag: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 17:51.41 | enouf | bbelt16ag: /msg dpkg search (so you can help yourself next time ;-) ) |
| 17:52.09 | bbelt16ag | Couldn't find any package matching "xauth". However, the following |
| 17:52.09 | bbelt16ag | packages contain "xauth" in their description: |
| 17:52.09 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.19 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 17:52.44 | enouf | jerome: hrm, there's a #debianppc, and there's the mailing list @lists.debian.org - and the wiki.debian.org |
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| 17:53.57 | KomiaPoika | how can i mount read/write a ntfs hard drive? |
| 17:55.17 | jerome | enouf: hmm thanks. |
| 17:55.37 | enouf | KomiaPoika: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 17:55.41 | jdjb | KomiaPoika: look at ntfs-3g |
| 17:56.12 | enouf | KomiaPoika: ensure your username ends up also in the fuser group |
| 17:56.23 | bbelt16ag | thanks peeps I got her workin.. |
| 17:56.35 | enouf | KomiaPoika: 'groups' or 'id -a' as user will show it |
| 17:56.37 | bbelt16ag | I keep forgetting about dpkg |
| 17:56.49 | enouf | or even id -a username .. etc |
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| 17:57.03 | enouf | bbelt16ag: xauth pkg? |
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| 17:57.42 | bbelt16ag | yes I found it |
| 17:57.47 | enouf | ok |
| 17:57.48 | bbelt16ag | xbase-clients had the package I needed |
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| 17:57.58 | kunal | hello guys. |
| 17:58.03 | enouf | bahram: righto - i thought Lenny uses xauth though |
| 17:58.12 | enouf | bbelt16ag: i mean you not bahram |
| 17:58.21 | enouf | !sshx |
| 17:58.21 | dpkg | sshx is probably You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
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| 17:58.48 | enouf | you must have the etch or earlier version of X on one of those |
| 17:58.59 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 17:59.03 | enouf | judd: versions xauth |
| 17:59.05 | judd | enouf: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 17:59.10 | bbelt16ag | cool |
| 17:59.13 | enouf | ruh roh :-/ |
| 17:59.19 | outlier | If I want to try out debian (having used ubuntu for a while and been irritated by all the regressions in the last 2 versions) what version do you recommend trying out for a fairly complex desktop setup (multiple monitors, raid, several usb peripherals, nfs & samba shares, etc)? |
| 17:59.38 | enouf | !lenny |
| 17:59.39 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 17:59.40 | kunal | hey guys, i want to know how to load a debian installation on a thumbdrive from a windows operating system. |
| 17:59.48 | bbelt16ag | sorry it is etch doh.. |
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| 18:00.48 | enouf | kunal: maybe http://goodbye-windows.com (i haven't done what you ask though) .. cant you boot a livecd and follow /msg dpkg usb install? |
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| 18:02.57 | kunal | hmmm i could. so you mean i should get a debain liveCD. run it and type the command /msg dkpg usb install. right? |
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| 18:03.09 | mns | Would connecting two computers (a laptop and desktop) with an ethernet crossover cable and transferring data that way be faster then say NFS/rsync or such ? |
| 18:03.12 | SerajewelKS | enouf: hah, interesting. turning on SATA has caused a freeze within 30 seconds of boot. |
| 18:03.21 | SerajewelKS | erm |
| 18:03.22 | SerajewelKS | 30 minutes |
| 18:03.34 | SerajewelKS | i went to shower and when i came back the guest was frozen |
| 18:04.25 | SerajewelKS | i am now 95% certain that it's something to do with SATA |
| 18:05.36 | enouf | SerajewelKS: "turning on SATA" ? |
| 18:05.57 | enouf | how did you "turning on SATA" ? |
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| 18:06.15 | JPT | i thing he means hotplugging sata hdds to his computer |
| 18:06.18 | JPT | think |
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| 18:06.52 | enouf | mns: it's still a networked FS needed - so no, in most cases - but look at netcat ;-) |
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| 18:07.22 | kunal | is there a live cd for debian? |
| 18:07.40 | sol1dus | when i run xterm via x-terminal-emulator, it doesn't seem to pick up my xresource or xdefaults settings |
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| 18:07.47 | enouf | JPT: you finished washing the windows? i heard you were out off a scaffold of a skyscraper :-P |
| 18:07.49 | geophoenix | any guides about installing ati drivers in debian lenny ? |
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| 18:07.51 | sol1dus | but if i run /usr/bin/xterm it seems to woork |
| 18:07.56 | sol1dus | any idea why this is happeniing? |
| 18:08.03 | nkuttler | kunal: yes |
| 18:08.07 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i turned on the SATA controller on the VM settings and moved the three virtual hard disk attachments from IDE primary master, IDE primary slave, and IDE secondary slave to SATA ports 0, 1, and 2 |
| 18:08.15 | JPT | enouf: it was not that hard... but it took some time :) |
| 18:08.33 | kunal | nkuttler- is it possible to use a live CD to make a USB installation file? |
| 18:08.58 | nkuttler | kunal: no idea. the install guide should explain such things though |
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| 18:09.16 | SerajewelKS | enouf: with the SATA controller switched off, the SATA device is not presented to the guest (e.g. it does not appear in lspci output) and you cannot attach more than three virtual disks -- you have IDE primary master/slave and IDE secondary slave to work with (IDE secondary master is reserved for CD-ROM images) |
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| 18:09.30 | kunal | nkuttler- http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/ -----> does this let me directly install ROM to my windows? |
| 18:09.53 | nkuttler | kunal: install rom? |
| 18:10.13 | enouf | SerajewelKS: good, now replicate the same but on real hardware |
| 18:10.33 | enouf | 30min isn't long |
| 18:10.39 | kunal | installation file! |
| 18:10.54 | nkuttler | kunal: what do you mean by installation file? |
| 18:11.04 | SerajewelKS | i've replicated it on real hardware plenty, remember? :) |
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| 18:11.22 | SerajewelKS | enouf: my next trial is booting the VM on a different host machine and seeing if i get a freeze too |
| 18:11.40 | kunal | nkuttler- file which i can load into my thumb drive so that i can install debian on my other computer. |
| 18:11.44 | SerajewelKS | if i do then i know that it's either the kernel or the VM software that's screwing up |
| 18:11.58 | SerajewelKS | and that this particular host machine hardware configuration has nothing to do with it |
| 18:12.14 | SerajewelKS | or that the other host has the same faulty config (it's a laptop, so i doubt it) |
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| 18:12.26 | nkuttler | !tell kunal about ig |
| 18:12.50 | zrin | how to fast find ad take look at the source code of getfattr? |
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| 18:13.06 | nkuttler | zrin: apt-get source package |
| 18:13.07 | enouf | fast find? |
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| 18:13.23 | kunal | ok. thanks nkuttler. whats the diff. in Lenny and Etch? |
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| 18:13.27 | enouf | isn't that the MPoop spyware? |
| 18:13.32 | kunal | i think Lenny is beter |
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| 18:13.34 | kunal | cus its newer. |
| 18:13.37 | enouf | kunal: lenny is stable now |
| 18:13.41 | enouf | it is newer |
| 18:13.44 | zrin | nkuttler: can I find it online? |
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| 18:14.10 | nkuttler | zrin: google.com? |
| 18:14.35 | outlier | Which version of debian is recommended for a complex workstation setup? (i.e. best working & accurately documented audio, video, multi-head, samba, nfs, etc) |
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| 18:14.40 | SerajewelKS | enouf: hmm, i just turned SATA back off, now 3 minutes into the VM life cycle it froze again. |
| 18:14.44 | SerajewelKS | pokes around |
| 18:14.48 | zrin | nkuttler: sure... |
| 18:15.00 | SerajewelKS | only common thread now is lvm |
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| 18:15.17 | nkuttler | zrin: packages.debian.org |
| 18:15.45 | zrin | nkuttler: apt-get source seems to be the fastest way for small packages |
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| 18:17.24 | kunal | damn. running debain from a thumbdrive is very hard. |
| 18:20.07 | antii | kunal: its not fast! :P |
| 18:21.05 | kunal | antii- i am a windows user so i really dont understand all the linux prefixes. i really have a headache running linux. |
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| 18:21.59 | kunal | i simply want to know the fastest way to get a linux distro and to get the installation files onto a thumbrive(USB) to put it in my system that lacks a CD rom |
| 18:22.20 | kunal | i know i can do alot of reading to get it done. but really i am kind of screwed with work |
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| 18:23.36 | jpinx | enouf: irfanview doesn't work in wine :( |
| 18:23.44 | enouf | SerajewelKS: lvm? wtf? |
| 18:23.57 | enouf | jpinx: you finally asked someone? :-P |
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| 18:24.17 | jpinx | I've been working on it all morning with the guys from winehq |
| 18:24.38 | jpinx | I have an install of the latest wine and it works with other stuff, but not irfanview |
| 18:24.47 | enouf | jpinx: why not? |
| 18:24.57 | jpinx | something about a page error |
| 18:25.08 | jpinx | you want to see the error output? |
| 18:25.19 | jpinx | it installs, but doesn't run |
| 18:25.23 | enouf | jpinx: i think the source is free? orr ..no? or |
| 18:25.40 | jpinx | I believe it's free - hence my using it |
| 18:25.42 | jpinx | ;) |
| 18:25.46 | enouf | is it just a freeware/shareware app |
| 18:25.55 | enouf | jpinx: no, i mean the code! |
| 18:26.06 | jpinx | yes - I mean the code |
| 18:26.27 | enouf | then compile the fucker to run on linux |
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| 18:26.40 | enouf | how? i dunno - you do it |
| 18:27.24 | Geek`N`Proud | enouf, download the source tarball.. then in the terminal extract it and do ./configure; make; make install |
| 18:27.35 | Geek`N`Proud | enouf, usually that is enough |
| 18:27.53 | jpinx | enouf: heh :p |
| 18:27.56 | themill | Geek`N`Proud: you might like to check the context a little... |
| 18:28.25 | jpinx | Geek`N`Proud: I'm looking for the source |
| 18:28.30 | Geek`N`Proud | ah my bad |
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| 18:29.46 | mns | enouf: is there something like iotop but for networks ? I want to see at what speed netcat is transferring things .. |
| 18:30.10 | jpinx | quote - IrfanView is provided as freeware, but only for private, non-commercial use (that means at home). |
| 18:30.19 | jpinx | but no sign of the source code |
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| 18:30.36 | kunal | please PM(personal message) me if anyone here is a professional in installing Debian through USB thumb drive. |
| 18:30.38 | kunal | thanks. |
| 18:30.53 | mns | Is IrfanView available for Linux ? I thought it was just a Windows app ? |
| 18:31.51 | RobertLaptop | Does anyone have instructions on upgrading from etch to lenny? |
| 18:32.10 | themill | RobertLaptop: /topic |
| 18:32.16 | jpinx | mns: I've been trying to get it to run in wine |
| 18:32.17 | Geek`N`Proud | RobertLaptop, open /etc/apt/sources.list and replace the etch lines with lenny |
| 18:32.24 | Geek`N`Proud | then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:33.28 | Geek`N`Proud | (and yes, it is 99% of the time that easy =]) |
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| 18:33.28 | RobertLaptop | Geek 'N' Proud that is the easy part. That I have already done. I am getting key error.s |
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| 18:33.46 | kunal | no one here helps me. |
| 18:33.46 | Geek`N`Proud | RobertLaptop, pastebin the output of the errors |
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| 18:33.49 | kunal | what kind of chat room is this. |
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| 18:34.09 | kunal | i know i am the biggest laizest guy on this chat room |
| 18:34.14 | kunal | but there is a reason. |
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| 18:34.21 | kunal | ok.i'll shut up and get to work |
| 18:34.27 | kunal | sorry .excuse me stupidity. |
| 18:34.30 | nkuttler | kunal: maybe you should tell us which step from the install guide fails |
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| 18:34.36 | jpinx | kunal: look at debian.org |
| 18:34.40 | RobertLaptop | I can never remember how to install install updated keys. http://pastebin.ca/1343807 |
| 18:34.45 | themill | Geek`N`Proud: I know you're hoping to help.... but that's *not* the way of upgrading from etch to lenny. |
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| 18:34.49 | jpinx | there's detailed instructions on how to install there |
| 18:34.56 | mns | RobertLaptop: There is a page on the Debian wiki about getting updated keys .. I can't remember it though |
| 18:35.02 | themill | dpkg: tell RobertLaptop about etch->lenny key |
| 18:35.27 | themill | RobertLaptop: it's not an issue. Just keep on following the release notes. (You have read them, haven't you?) |
| 18:36.11 | pbn | Hi... I've got a display adapter and screen that can do 1024x768, but I can't go higher than 800x600... Any idea ? |
| 18:36.54 | RobertLaptop | I didn't think it was an issue I was looking for something I couldn't find though a google search a document on upgrading the key. |
| 18:37.03 | luke3321 | pbn: Maybe an old driver? |
| 18:37.10 | luke3321 | or a generic driver? |
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| 18:37.58 | tretle | hi I was wondering whether rollbacks are going to be supported by the apt backend any time soon? |
| 18:38.47 | mns | Besides /sys and /dev and /mnt directories are there any other directories I should probably ignore when transferring from one system to another system ? |
| 18:39.12 | luke3321 | maybe /tmp? |
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| 18:39.17 | maher | mns: /proc |
| 18:39.18 | luke3321 | could be wrong tho |
| 18:39.26 | mns | yup .. got /proc .. |
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| 18:40.05 | mns | luke3321: you're right, it could be something to ignore, but in my case I want it .. and its a pointer to /var/tmp anyway .. |
| 18:40.14 | xingu | mns: quite probably /media |
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| 18:40.29 | luke3321 | mns: Ah, okay |
| 18:40.32 | mns | xingu: got that. |
| 18:40.53 | mns | anyone knwo a good network top ? |
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| 18:41.43 | Memphisto | rsync -Pvax /etc /usr /var /home /backup << anyone who could tell me a rsync command for copy an entire hdd? |
| 18:42.01 | Memphisto | I did that line over here, earlier today |
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| 18:42.41 | moyix | hi, with a freshly installed debian 5 and the build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r`, I get "#error unknown processor family" when trying to compile the "hello world" kernel module example from ( http://www.faqs.org/docs/kernel/c143.html ) |
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| 18:43.55 | moyix | anyone seen this before / know of a fix? |
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| 18:44.50 | jabis | moyix: type uname -r in your console what does it return |
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| 18:45.37 | moyix | jabis: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 18:46.02 | valdyn | Memphisto: why are you asking when you nearly got it already? |
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| 18:46.21 | pbn | luke3321: it's an onboard VIA chipset on a mini-itx mainboard |
| 18:46.28 | Memphisto | 'cause that line I've got from another one |
| 18:46.39 | valdyn | Memphisto: except that you are confusing hdd with filesystem |
| 18:46.53 | valdyn | Memphisto: rsync works on files and filesystems, not "hdd" |
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| 18:47.11 | valdyn | Memphisto: you should do yourself a favour and read the manpage |
| 18:47.24 | Memphisto | ok |
| 18:47.34 | luke3321 | pbn: You wouldnt happen to know the model of the onboard chip, would you? |
| 18:48.06 | valdyn | Memphisto: *maybe* "rsync -avH --expluce=/backup / /backup" is what you want, but since backups are quite sensitive an issue.. you want to understand what you are doing |
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| 18:48.15 | pbn | luke3321: well lspci will tell me, just a minute :) |
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| 18:48.23 | valdyn | "rsync -avH --exclude=/backup / /backup" |
| 18:48.28 | Memphisto | maybe read some more |
| 18:48.35 | luke3321 | pbn: You are right there ^^ |
| 18:48.58 | jabis | moyix: does aptitude search linux-headers-`uname -r` show it's uninstalled? |
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| 18:49.29 | Memphisto | valdyn, the line over here, is this enough if I re install my OS? |
| 18:49.48 | valdyn | Memphisto: your line? |
| 18:49.51 | Memphisto | the computer will be the "same" |
| 18:49.51 | luke3321 | pbn: Allthough lspci loves to be cryptic... |
| 18:49.55 | Memphisto | rsync -Pvax /etc /usr /var /home /backup |
| 18:50.02 | valdyn | Memphisto: thats to much |
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| 18:50.31 | valdyn | Memphisto: /usr is filled by "reinstalling the OS" already, you dont need to back that up |
| 18:50.51 | moyix | jabis: it shows it as installed ("i linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 ...") |
| 18:50.53 | Memphisto | ok |
| 18:50.53 | valdyn | Memphisto: same for most of /var |
| 18:51.11 | Memphisto | as I said, I got that line from another mate |
| 18:51.15 | valdyn | Memphisto: but do whole var if you can afford it |
| 18:51.29 | valdyn | Memphisto: since figuring out what in var you need to back up is another challenge |
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| 18:51.56 | Memphisto | one time, I will manage to "destroy" some in my OS :) |
| 18:51.58 | pbn | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8623 [Apollo CLE266] integrated CastleRock graphics (rev 03) |
| 18:51.59 | valdyn | Memphisto: which services are going to be on that system? |
| 18:52.01 | enouf | mns: look at ntop, maybe netperf, and iptraf |
| 18:52.05 | pbn | luke3321: there you go :) |
| 18:52.10 | Memphisto | just a laptop for home use |
| 18:52.14 | enouf | mns: or iftop even |
| 18:52.25 | valdyn | Memphisto: so just backup /etc/ and /home/ |
| 18:52.31 | pbn | luke3321: and xserver-xorg-video-via is installed |
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| 18:52.42 | valdyn | Memphisto: and to make reinstalling the system easier, use : |
| 18:52.46 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 18:52.46 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
| 18:52.48 | luke3321 | pbn: Okay, give me a sec |
| 18:52.58 | valdyn | Memphisto: ^^^^^ and backup that selectionfile |
| 18:53.36 | Memphisto | my mepis os, is that built on debian? Or am I wrong here? |
| 18:53.37 | luke3321 | pbn: Would you pastebin you xorg.conf? |
| 18:54.03 | valdyn | Memphisto: it uses dpkg and apt-get, so that would work ok |
| 18:54.08 | Memphisto | ok |
| 18:54.10 | pbn | luke3321: ok.... |
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| 18:55.35 | pbn | luke3321: http://paste.debian.net/28915/ |
| 18:55.44 | Memphisto | I've got much to learn, thanks for helping me out valdyn |
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| 18:56.45 | luke3321 | pbn: What resolution do you want? |
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| 18:57.13 | pbn | luke3321: 1024x768 |
| 18:57.37 | luke3321 | okay, one sec |
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| 18:58.41 | kunal | yes |
| 18:58.48 | kunal | i found a good link to install debain directly from windows. |
| 18:58.57 | kunal | http://debianmalaysia.blogspot.com/2009/02/experience-installing-debian-on-lenovo.html |
| 18:59.54 | jabis | moyix: sry I gotta go :/ |
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| 19:00.18 | luke3321 | pbn: Add this : http://paste.debian.net/28916/ , to the Screen section of your xorg |
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| 19:01.17 | racecar56 | is debian better than ubuntu? |
| 19:01.24 | kunal | anyday dude. |
| 19:01.31 | kunal | debian is the best operating linux system. |
| 19:01.32 | moyix | jabis: no worries. I think I'll file a bug, this is as simple as I could make the conditions, and it's still failing... |
| 19:01.34 | racecar56 | :> |
| 19:01.47 | kunal | racecar. do you believe me? |
| 19:01.50 | racecar56 | yes |
| 19:02.03 | racecar56 | ill be coming because im a kde3 lover but ubuntu is killing kde3 |
| 19:02.23 | racecar56 | im going to reburn my debian cd its etch r7 lol |
| 19:02.28 | racecar56 | *r6 |
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| 19:03.45 | kunal | well debian is suppose to be the father of linux. |
| 19:04.29 | ix | what the deuce? |
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| 19:04.50 | unop | kunal, Torvalds would probably throw a fit if he heard that. |
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| 19:05.19 | pbn | luke3321: thank you, trying... |
| 19:05.33 | luke3321 | pbn: no prob, tell me how it goes |
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| 19:09.40 | racecar56 | w00t im gonna burn my debian 5 now |
| 19:09.59 | racecar56 | currently i got debian 4.0r6 (on the cd) lololz |
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| 19:11.01 | rohan | even after installing gtk-qt-engine, my iceweasel doesn't look like Qt apps. what am i missing? |
| 19:11.47 | valdyn | rohan: gtk needs to be set to use that engine |
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| 19:12.08 | rohan | valdyn: i went to kcontrol and selected the proper option in GTK Themse and Fonts menu |
| 19:12.27 | racecar56 | :D debian time for me |
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| 19:13.47 | valdyn | rohan: what about different gtk applications? |
| 19:14.00 | rohan | i have only iceweasel |
| 19:14.05 | alexertech | hi everybody ... how can i list all the scripts that are running in boot ¿? |
| 19:14.23 | valdyn | rohan: point is i dont think iceweasel even is a gtk application |
| 19:15.12 | pbn | luke3321: hmm it's still stuck at 800x600 :( |
| 19:15.24 | pbn | luke3321: and krandrtray doens't show any resolution above 800x600 |
| 19:15.44 | luke3321 | pbn: hmmm... Interesting... |
| 19:15.44 | rohan | valdyn: after logging out and in kde, it works now :) |
| 19:15.54 | valdyn | rohan: neat |
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| 19:16.08 | valdyn | rohan: that would mean iceweasel was not restarted |
| 19:16.23 | luke3321 | pbn: I think thats pretty much as much as I can do.... Sorry I couldnt help |
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| 19:16.58 | pbn | luke3321: bah, thanks anyway :) |
| 19:17.09 | luke3321 | pbn: No problem |
| 19:17.26 | rohan | also, some dmesg output is redirected to stdout on my vt1-6 .. how do i prevent that from happening? e.g. when i put a pen drive, it says "new usb device detected" etc on the VTs |
| 19:17.39 | valdyn | alexertech: ls /etc/rcS.d/ /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 19:17.52 | racecar56 | anyone here who came to debian and left (k)ubuntu because they are dropping kde3? (this is waht im doing) |
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| 19:18.51 | rohan | racecar56: this isn't the place to discuss it, but you can stick to kubuntu 8.04 |
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| 19:19.02 | racecar56 | its dying to soon |
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| 19:19.33 | racecar56 | i have ubuntu 8.10 with unofficial kde3 packages that really fail (gtk breaks, so firefox looks bad) |
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| 19:20.17 | rohan | racecar56: well, from next release on, even debian won't have kde3. all distros are set out to obsolete it |
| 19:20.26 | racecar56 | o_o |
| 19:20.48 | racecar56 | ill be sticking around lenny then |
| 19:20.54 | racecar56 | :> |
| 19:21.02 | rohan | :) |
| 19:21.26 | rohan | i think the way to disable the log messages from "spilling" to VT is some conf file - but i can't recall it. does anyone know? |
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| 19:21.47 | simonrvn | !kernel printk |
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| 19:22.33 | racecar56 | where are the md5sum for the debian jigdo download? |
| 19:22.36 | enouf | valdyn: heh, a little variation; ~$ find /etc/rcS.d/ /etc/rc2.d/ | grep 'S' |
| 19:22.54 | simonrvn | !printk console |
| 19:22.54 | dpkg | [printk console] see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 19:22.54 | enouf | grabs the README in rcS as well, since the S matches :-P |
| 19:23.03 | simonrvn | rohan: ^^^ |
| 19:23.08 | stoned | Kjikaqawej! |
| 19:23.16 | rohan | simonrvn: thanks :) |
| 19:23.36 | enouf | rohan: there should be a line there already, just uncomment it |
| 19:23.38 | stoned | hi |
| 19:23.44 | enouf | +relevant |
| 19:24.06 | racecar56 | how long will lenny be supported? |
| 19:24.08 | simonrvn | hi stoned |
| 19:24.52 | enouf | racecar56: likely for a year after the next stable release, which could be anywhere from 18-2yrs from now or so |
| 19:24.57 | racecar56 | k |
| 19:25.11 | rohan | enouf: aha thanks |
| 19:25.13 | enouf | so 2.6-3yrs from now, say |
| 19:25.28 | enouf | er 2.5 .. but who knows, might be less ;-) |
| 19:25.51 | enouf | rohan: yeah, /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 19:26.48 | simonrvn | brb |
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| 19:28.45 | mns | I'm using netcat to transfer files, but I'm getting a lot of errors of the type "can not open, no such file or directory" |
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| 19:29.44 | alexertech | thanks valdyn ç |
| 19:29.57 | enouf | mns: see if find also returns those sorts of errors - check if said files/dir exist |
| 19:30.09 | racecar56 | well im going with kde3 because kde4 dosent seem too stable for me and it makes my 3D stuff glitch out |
| 19:30.16 | racecar56 | that is the main reason |
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| 19:30.21 | KomiaPoi1a | when trying to install nvidia driver on debian5 i get a warning the kernel was built with gcc 4.1 and i have gcc 4.3, is it still ok to build the kernel module with gcc 4.3? |
| 19:30.42 | racecar56 | (although i do not really use 3D things on my pc, my laptop is better at it) |
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| 19:32.43 | mns | enouf: they exist on my laptop, they do not on my desktop. On the desktop: cd /data ; nc -l -p 1234 | tar xvpf - and then on the laptop: cd / ; tar cpf - bin boot etc opt lib usr sbin home | nc -w 5 desktop 1234 |
| 19:34.11 | mns | desktop:/data is my external drive connected via firewire and has nothing on it .. |
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| 19:34.36 | mns | since its doing a tar extract I wouldn't have thought it would need to exist already .. |
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| 19:34.53 | mns | or did I miss something ? |
| 19:34.59 | thedave | any ideas why a mbr/grub install could fail when installing to a CF disc? |
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| 19:41.29 | goauld | please tell me a utility under linux to perform a "low level format" not a wipe with zeroes. |
| 19:41.42 | rohan | goauld: mkfs |
| 19:41.49 | goauld | pfff |
| 19:42.04 | goauld | mkfs is for making partitions |
| 19:42.15 | rohan | no, it is for making filesystems on partitions |
| 19:42.23 | rohan | which is what you would call 'formatting' |
| 19:42.28 | mns | mkfs is for making file systems after you've made the partitions with parted/fdisk .. |
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| 19:42.36 | rohan | probably not 'low level' though, i don't know what that means |
| 19:42.44 | goauld | i am asking for a "LOW LEVEL FORMAT", do you know what is that? |
| 19:42.57 | cahoot | try google? |
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| 19:42.59 | mns | google "linux low lever format" |
| 19:43.04 | goauld | i tried |
| 19:43.11 | jabis | low level formats are dangerous for new hard disks... -.- |
| 19:43.38 | goauld | and all i get is people asking how to low level format a disk, and people responding "why would you do that" or "thats dangerous" or "better is a normal format" |
| 19:43.40 | goauld | tdamn |
| 19:43.41 | goauld | damn |
| 19:43.46 | goauld | i want a low level format |
| 19:43.51 | goauld | lol |
| 19:43.51 | enouf | goauld: what year was the HDD manufactured? |
| 19:44.00 | kunal | can gparted run on windows? |
| 19:44.10 | enouf | there's no such thing since ZBR tech |
| 19:44.10 | jabis | goauld: http://linuxgazette.net/issue37/tag/38.html (The Answer Guy 37: Low Level Formatting) |
| 19:44.12 | goauld | 2006 probably im not sure |
| 19:44.36 | goauld | laptop disk |
| 19:44.42 | jpinx | enouf: I have left a message on irfanview to see if they will release the source code |
| 19:44.45 | enouf | mns: maybe try one dir/ - but is your firewire drive partitioned w/FS ? |
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| 19:45.01 | enouf | jpinx: heh - or atleast port it to linux ;-) |
| 19:45.11 | mns | enouf: yeah its partitioned ..otherwise I wouldn't be able to mount it right ? :) |
| 19:45.26 | kunal | ... |
| 19:45.27 | enouf | missed it |
| 19:45.32 | jpinx | enouf: they have pretty much said that they won't do the work |
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| 19:46.03 | jpinx | so I asked if they'll release the source - maybe of a slightly older version even |
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| 19:47.35 | kunal | you there ? |
| 19:47.44 | mns | jpinx: whats so special about irfanview that you want it ? I'm sure for picture viewing there is enough comparable stuff on the linux side. |
| 19:47.57 | mns | imagemagick / graphicsmagick ? |
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| 19:48.19 | rohan | gwenview |
| 19:48.55 | jpinx | mns: there isn't |
| 19:49.07 | jpinx | it's not just a viewer |
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| 19:50.29 | valdyn | jpinx: irfanview has what over the linux tools? |
| 19:51.12 | jpinx | creates galleries instantly portable as webpages, instant file/image size reduction |
| 19:51.34 | valdyn | jpinx: various tools for galleries |
| 19:51.45 | jpinx | installs gwenview to see if it'll do it |
| 19:52.08 | valdyn | jpinx: but probably not a thing that is an image viewer at the same time |
| 19:52.19 | jpinx | Knoqueror used to have a gallery tool - but I don't use KDE (and don;t want to) |
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| 19:52.48 | jpinx | batch size reduction is a big deal |
| 19:52.55 | valdyn | jpinx: apt-cache search image gallery |
| 19:52.56 | themill | jpinx: mogrify |
| 19:53.15 | themill | jpinx: or for an image gallery, I use llgal. |
| 19:53.19 | jabis | adobe media gallery sdk + imagemagick = easy |
| 19:53.21 | jpinx | all too heavy - irfanview is a really lightweight application |
| 19:53.35 | valdyn | jpinx: mogrify heavy? |
| 19:53.37 | valdyn | wtf |
| 19:53.38 | enouf | mns: something maybe like (tar --one-filesystem -cpf - /) | nc -w 5 desktop 1234 and (cd /data ; nc -l -p 1234 | tar xvpf -) on other - and yes, you need tar and nc on both machines. (i'm not setup to test this, or even a smaller version right here, now - so, ymmv) You might need some quoting around the () or something |
| 19:53.45 | jpinx | it takes the whole of gimp to do what irfanview does |
| 19:53.46 | themill | jpinx: umm... llgal is a small perl script. |
| 19:53.49 | zinx | valdyn: the CLI is too fancy, it needs a simple light GUI interface |
| 19:53.54 | zinx | valdyn: :P~ |
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| 19:54.08 | enouf | mns: as i say, you should test with maybe one small dir/ first only - and are you root? |
| 19:54.10 | jpinx | if it isn't gui - forget it |
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| 19:54.33 | themill | jpinx: right... I want a light gui that does *everything* and isn't big... |
| 19:54.44 | jpinx | loves aptitude - install, test and purge :) |
| 19:54.59 | jabis | lol "I want it all, but no bloat" |
| 19:54.59 | jpinx | themill: yes - it's called irfanview ;) |
| 19:55.01 | enouf | themill: someone is singing my song? :-P |
| 19:55.05 | valdyn | integrating image viewer with web generation is probably silly, and unique |
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| 19:55.25 | valdyn | and you didnt want kallery |
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| 19:55.32 | valdyn | so run irfanview in wine |
| 19:55.33 | themill | jpinx: one small tool to do one job properly. |
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| 19:55.45 | jpinx | vladywine can't handle it |
| 19:55.48 | valdyn | i always thought irfanview a pos that just my dad uses |
| 19:55.59 | valdyn | ( b/c he knows nothing else ) |
| 19:56.00 | enouf | when i used irfanview with win98. there was no web integration, and i nver bothered with any plugin nonsense |
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| 19:56.18 | jpinx | irfanview doesn't need plugins |
| 19:56.35 | jpinx | it does all the good stuff anyway |
| 19:56.40 | enouf | well, if it does all that crap you say it does, it's Bloat |
| 19:56.42 | enouf | ware |
| 19:56.43 | valdyn | jpinx: theres no app that is irfanview while not being irfanview |
| 19:57.03 | jpinx | valdyn: hehe |
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| 19:57.26 | jpinx | considers a virtualbox just for irfanview |
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| 19:57.36 | valdyn | libapache-gallery-perl has no gui, but doesnt even need one ui |
| 19:57.37 | enouf | your dad? sheesh i feel old |
| 19:57.43 | jabis | jpinx: a good choice x) |
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| 19:57.55 | valdyn | enouf: im not that young, i just get to fix everyones computers still |
| 19:58.05 | enouf | heh |
| 19:58.10 | mns | enouf: I'm doing it as root on each side and have both nc and tar on each side .. :) |
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| 19:58.23 | mns | enouf: it does some of the directories .. then starts complaining .. |
| 19:58.39 | jpinx | jabis: the only thing that stops me using virtualbox are this old laptop with only 256MBs RAM |
| 19:58.54 | enouf | jpinx: i like it, cause yes, lean and mean and does the job clean - has some nice features, batch conversion, etc - but also great for pr0n slideshows ;-) |
| 19:59.00 | enouf | gliv is nice for that |
| 19:59.10 | jpinx | enouf: hehe |
| 19:59.19 | enouf | mns: even the command i mentioned? |
| 19:59.28 | jabis | jpinx, yeah, that sounds heavily limiting |
| 19:59.34 | enouf | mns: what does it say? can you pastebin? |
| 19:59.59 | mns | enouf: haven't tried your command yet .. trying it out .. now ... |
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| 20:00.28 | alkisg | I want to install Debian with KDE 4. Does "debian-500-i386-kde-CD-1.iso" have KDE 4 or 3.5? And if it's 3.5, what should I do to install KDE 4? |
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| 20:00.46 | enouf | mns: are all the dirs you listed contained within one partition? |
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| 20:01.32 | enouf | alkisg: erm .. i think Lenny has 3.5.10? |
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| 20:01.46 | enouf | alkisg: which is 5.0.0 |
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| 20:02.03 | alkisg | enouf: ah... damn... so what should I do, install testing/sid or something? |
| 20:02.13 | enouf | alkisg: might have some kde4 backports? /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 20:02.28 | jpinx | damn - gwenview is dragging a wheelbarrow full of dependencies in from KDE:( |
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| 20:02.41 | phorce1 | what might setting reserved blocks to 0% on a data-only drive break? |
| 20:02.57 | jpinx | purges. .... again |
| 20:03.18 | jabis | alkisg: why not setting up minimal and selecting the packages during install :) |
| 20:03.40 | asg | phorce1: the auto-defrag that most modern filesystems use that space for. |
| 20:03.43 | alkisg | Can I enable the backports (or testing / sid / something) while installing? |
| 20:04.05 | phorce1 | asg: including ext2/3? |
| 20:04.06 | alkisg | I don't want to install KDE 3.5 first, and then KDE 4 on top of it... |
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| 20:04.18 | kaarlo` | reh |
| 20:04.36 | asg | phorce1: yes |
| 20:04.37 | enouf | alkisg: who says you have to install any kde at all? |
| 20:04.48 | IOS|warlock | Is there an easy way of allowing "ftpuser:ftpgroup" to edit files owned by "www-data:www-data"? -- I'm currently using pure-ftpd, and don't want to chown the /var/www/X folders to www-data:www-data |
| 20:05.05 | alkisg | enouf: Last time I installed Debian was 5 years ago, so I don't remember much about the installation process... :) |
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| 20:05.23 | alkisg | That's what I'm asking, a quick what to download / what to install... |
| 20:05.44 | alkisg | I don't care about stability on this PC, it's for me to test Debian and for my kids to play with it. |
| 20:05.55 | phorce1 | asg: <sigh> it was nice seeing how much I could get back on a terrorbyte partition. Guess I'll go google to see how low I can set it without breakage |
| 20:06.06 | lepine | hey, i just dist-upgraded a machine of mine, and /etc/debian_version remained at 4.0 ... the others i did changed to 5.0 ... did i do anything wrong? |
| 20:06.08 | alkisg | I just want to also see KDE4... |
| 20:06.09 | enouf | alkisg: if you deselect, or not select Desktop, you won't get one - but /msg dpkg various cd1 |
| 20:06.15 | enouf | !cd1 |
| 20:06.15 | dpkg | cd1 is probably Debian 3.0 r1 i386. CD #1 of official Debian CD-ROM sets for Intel x86 will present a boot: prompt on most hardware. Press F3 to see the list of kernel options available from which to boot. Just type your chosen flavor name (idepci, vanilla, compact, bf24) at the boot: prompt followed by return. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-install-cd |
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| 20:06.25 | enouf | !various cd1 |
| 20:06.26 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - There's one for GNOME, another for KDE, and one for XFCE/LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE/LXDE CD-1 of Lenny, you'd grab-> debian-500-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso from the mirrors(if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <installer firmware><release notes><ig> |
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| 20:06.52 | goauld | what is the best debian way to backup data? |
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| 20:07.07 | asg | depends on the data and your retention requirements |
| 20:07.12 | jabis | goauld: tar and rsync |
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| 20:07.13 | IOS|warlock | tar is what I prefere |
| 20:07.25 | themill | dpkg, no cd1 is <reply> see various cd1 |
| 20:07.25 | lepine | why would dist-upgrade NOT update /etc/debian_version? Have i done anything wrong? |
| 20:07.25 | dpkg | themill: okay |
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| 20:07.33 | alkisg | So, (1) I install a minimal system with no desktop, (2) I enable backports and/or testing repositories, and (3) I install kde4-desktop? Is that it? |
| 20:07.36 | goauld | rsync depends on samba? |
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| 20:07.55 | jabis | alkisg, yep |
| 20:08.03 | alkisg | Thanks :) |
| 20:08.08 | lepine | libclient probably |
| 20:08.13 | themill | lepine: can you pastebin "apt-cache policy; dpkg -l libc6 base-files" |
| 20:08.17 | lepine | so you don't have to actually mount fs's |
| 20:08.24 | lepine | themill: sure |
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| 20:09.20 | enouf | themill: and what happens to the info from <cd1> :-/ |
| 20:09.23 | goauld | i have complains with rsync, they say things about files impossible to copy / delte etc. i think its about "file codepages, utf , iso8859-1, differences" |
| 20:09.26 | goauld | a fix? |
| 20:09.53 | lepine | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1343861 |
| 20:10.00 | lepine | indeed, it didn't upgrade |
| 20:10.25 | lepine | checking sources.list ... |
| 20:10.52 | lepine | etch is specifically mentionned ... |
| 20:10.53 | mns | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/28921/ |
| 20:11.16 | enouf | mns: did we... oh |
| 20:11.21 | mns | that's the kind of errors I get .. |
| 20:11.21 | themill | lepine: looks like you've not done any upgrading at all by the looks of that. |
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| 20:11.32 | lepine | themill: true |
| 20:11.41 | lepine | which repositories should i add? |
| 20:11.43 | themill | enouf: there wasn't anything useful there... it was all out of date. |
| 20:12.11 | lepine | http://pastebin.ca/1343863 contains my sources.list |
| 20:12.30 | enouf | mns: you have files named like this? opt/ibm/lotus/notes/framework/shared/eclipse/plugins/com.ibm.productivity.tools.core_3.0.1.20080130-2245/icons/Line(45)_16x16_d.png |
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| 20:13.04 | enouf | mns: ls -l that sucker .. |
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| 20:13.16 | enouf | themill: oh? pertained more to Etch installer? |
| 20:13.25 | themill | enouf: sarge... |
| 20:13.56 | themill | enouf: in fact, it was written for woody, but the info may have still been correct for sarge. |
| 20:14.20 | enouf | themill: whoa ... btw, i updated my little <dbse> (which i even forgot about, and i'm sure nobody used/uses) :-) |
| 20:14.24 | Kabraxis | I generated server.crt usign easy-rsa (OpenVPN) but the lenght of file is 0. I tried a few time and always file is empty... |
| 20:14.28 | mns | ahhh .. |
| 20:14.33 | mns | I get it .. file quoting issue .. |
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| 20:14.40 | themill | enouf: dbel is probably more useful now |
| 20:14.44 | Kabraxis | Somebody have any idea why? |
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| 20:14.55 | jabis | goauld, check the options you pass to rsync :) |
| 20:14.59 | enouf | themill: didn't know it was born :-P |
| 20:15.21 | jabis | goauld, man rsync is your best pal :) |
| 20:15.35 | enouf | !pal rsync |
| 20:15.35 | dpkg | points at rsync and laughs uproariously |
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| 20:16.09 | jelly-home | that's not how you use rsync correctly, btw. |
| 20:17.07 | LuXor | guys need help, i want to download debian... but i have downloaded some ISO image-s and when installing i have received an error message, i can't remember exactly what error it was... but there were lot of them :( so i need help in next things: advice of Tool to burn the Debian ISO, advice of Good Debian Version for i not were crazy about this erros.... |
| 20:17.19 | mns | enouf: even if I escape the ( in the file name, it wont ls -l that sucker .. |
| 20:17.31 | enouf | mns: use tab completion |
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| 20:18.11 | mns | enouf: I did .. and it still says no .. |
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| 20:18.22 | enouf | no what? no pony? |
| 20:18.33 | mns | No such file or directory .. |
| 20:18.36 | LuXor | guys need help, i want to download debian... but i have downloaded some ISO image-s and when installing i have received an error message, i can't remember exactly what error it was... but there were lot of them :( so i need help in next things: advice of Tool to burn the Debian ISO, advice of Good Debian Version for i not were crazy about this erros.... |
| 20:18.43 | dmoerner | LuXor, use Lenny netinst disk. don't repeat your question. |
| 20:18.44 | enouf | well, then it doesn't exist mns |
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| 20:19.22 | LuXor | can someone help? |
| 20:20.05 | mns | enouf: user error .. I forgot the .png at the end .. no wonder it kept saying that .. |
| 20:20.11 | enouf | mns: you likely have stale open file handles or something - flush your disk cache maybe, and run updatedb - or umount and remount. but i realize it's your / , so maybe 3 finger salute it :P |
| 20:20.16 | jabis | LuXor: just get the minimal install of latest stable |
| 20:20.24 | enouf | mns: tab completion does all that |
| 20:20.43 | LuXor | jabis: i dont get it |
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| 20:21.18 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:21.22 | mns | enouf: tab completion does that but not if you've got the same file name .. with .png and _d.png extensions .. :) you have to choose at that point and I didn't do that .. |
| 20:21.43 | enouf | yeah, i can tell |
| 20:21.47 | jabis | LuXor: www.debian.org -> getting debian |
| 20:21.57 | eptalon | I wondered how do rename a file? |
| 20:22.09 | mns | I'l try the 3 finger salute and see what that does .. and go straight into single user mode .. |
| 20:22.14 | asg | eptalon: mv |
| 20:22.17 | eptalon | mv does not seem to work? |
| 20:22.19 | enouf | wait, why? |
| 20:22.34 | asg | eptalon: move <file.old> <file.new> |
| 20:22.35 | enouf | but yeah, that's actually smarter to do it there |
| 20:22.39 | asg | eptalon: er, mv |
| 20:22.39 | eptalon | asg: filename was lost in an xfs recovery? |
| 20:22.58 | enouf | ... |
| 20:22.59 | eptalon | but file seems to be ok? |
| 20:23.05 | mns | enouf: to save time :) I could try out the other options .. but .. |
| 20:23.14 | eptalon | ie. vlc plays it, but it has no name? |
| 20:23.19 | jabis | if you don't have the perms to touch a file, add sudo in front of the mv |
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| 20:23.42 | enouf | mns: i always try to do stuff like that with as few things running as possible |
| 20:23.44 | eptalon | jabis: Its not a permsa problem. its an fs problem |
| 20:24.08 | mns | which is why I was in single user mode |
| 20:24.13 | mns | same here enouf |
| 20:25.26 | jabis | eptalon: apt-get --reinstall install yourpackage |
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| 20:26.42 | eptalon | jabis: thats not what I am talking about |
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| 20:27.42 | eptalon | my porblem; I use XFS (file system), which at one time crashed, and I had to repair, but had to junk some "unwritten logs". This made a few filenames "null" |
| 20:28.48 | eptalon | but I think I found a solution. |
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| 20:29.05 | eptalon | dele directory, and re-extract files from archive. |
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| 20:30.28 | mns | enouf: yeah .. still no luck. |
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| 20:31.17 | enouf | ... |
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| 20:33.00 | enouf | mns: spaces and shit in filenames, wonderful - there's gotta be some tar option to deal with that aspect, i know find -print0 | xargs -0 can deal with it, maybe you should mount / ro, and dd the sucker over |
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| 20:35.11 | jpinx | enouf: wine allows an older irfanview to work just fine. I've got 3.33 running. http://www.oldversion.com/IrfanView.html |
| 20:35.29 | eptalon | enouf: there are multi-file rename, I think. |
| 20:35.43 | asg | eptalon: using rename(1) |
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| 20:37.02 | eptalon | asg: does that rename null filenames? |
| 20:37.17 | FreakGuard | which tool was again for runlevel config? (which daemons to start and so one) |
| 20:37.57 | asg | FreakGuard: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 20:38.17 | eptalon | there is also a package file-rc some people like |
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| 20:38.48 | asg | eptalon: have you run fsck on the filesystem? If the directory information is corrupt, it should put the file in lost+found and you can move it where you wish. |
| 20:38.48 | FreakGuard | asg, thanks |
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| 20:39.45 | enouf | jpinx: old versions ftw - i haven't used it in years, so all i know is old versions :-P |
| 20:40.09 | eptalon | asg: there are about 2000 of them, all neatly numbered.. |
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| 20:40.51 | kdub | if i change 'unstable' to 'stable' in sources.list, and upgrade, will that make my distribution the stable, or will it just destroy everything? |
| 20:41.16 | asg | kdub: downgrades are not supported. It will cause problems. |
| 20:41.27 | kdub | alright, thanks asg |
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| 20:42.27 | jpinx | enouf: heh |
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| 20:42.38 | asg | eptalon: if you had a backup of 'ls -l' in that dir, you could rename them via a script. Given the magnitude, I'd just restore from backups. |
| 20:42.38 | eptalon | kdub: it will likely not work. |
| 20:43.05 | eptalon | asg: thats what I was trying to do. |
| 20:43.10 | Stanlin1 | help!! how to download all the bazaar changes on to a local directory? |
| 20:43.48 | asg | Stanlin1: #bzr |
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| 20:45.36 | wvmac3 | is anyone familiar with elive and can i add extra repositories without messing up the system? |
| 20:45.45 | eptalon | asg: 37G of restored data |
| 20:46.02 | eptalon | and no I dont have a "ls" of that dir. |
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| 20:48.02 | jpinx | enouf: I have 3.99 running now. Can't find any downloads between that and latest, but 3.99 is doing everything I want :) |
| 20:49.59 | asg | eptalon: if you don't have a way to link each file to its old filename (i.e. via some mapping between filesize -> filename) I don't know how you might fix the problem. |
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| 20:51.29 | tobberoth | Just installed Debian 5.0 netinst image (graphical installer). Everything worked great until GNOME boots where I get a "monitor out of range" error. I can only use the virtual terminals. |
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| 20:52.08 | jabis | tobberoth: lemme guess, ati card? |
| 20:52.17 | tobberoth | jabis: No, Nvidia. |
| 20:52.31 | jabis | well, the answer is Xorg.conf |
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| 20:53.09 | patco444 | Proactol is a groundbreaking development in weight loss treatment, and is exactly what over weight people have been waiting for - http://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=119443&s=38 |
| 20:53.19 | tobberoth | Heh yeah, I was afraid of that ^^.. well, I know the monitor can deal with 1400x900 at 70hz, I just have to find how to properly enter it |
| 20:53.38 | jabis | your virtual screen is set to over your monitor supports,, ctrl+alt+numpad plus a few times to switch resolutions |
| 20:54.34 | jabis | the virtual screen is prolly sniffing to 1920 x something |
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| 20:54.51 | linuxguy | tobberoth, do you mean in your xorg.conf file? |
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| 20:54.56 | tobberoth | awesome, that worked! It's way off but at least I can see the menues etc, shouldn't be hard to put in proper settings from GNOME |
| 20:55.05 | Vorodie | hi |
| 20:55.11 | tobberoth | Thanks for the help |
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| 20:55.47 | jabis | tobberoth: just get the latest drivers from nvidia and it should be a piece of cake :) |
| 20:56.00 | simonrvn | mumbles something about goddamned spammers and their mothers |
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| 20:56.24 | Vorodie | i have a computer with two monitors. (laptop) when i boot the system with both monitors attached i see the console (tty) only on the laptop monitor. is it possble to make it appear on the external monitor as well? |
| 20:56.52 | tobberoth | jabis: Yeah, guess I'll have to do that. The resolution menu in GNOME is empty XD |
| 20:57.01 | linuxguy | h2 are you here in disguise? |
| 20:57.24 | enouf | !dual monitors |
| 20:57.24 | dpkg | For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr> |
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| 20:57.41 | jabis | tobberoth, yep, you've no modelines & stuff for the monitor section, so it won't display anything |
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| 20:58.06 | Vorodie | enouf: thanks, but that's not what i asked |
| 20:58.27 | enouf | then i don't know what you asked |
| 20:58.42 | simonrvn | Vorodie: console on both? AFAIK no you can't do both. |
| 20:58.45 | Vorodie | i want to use both monitors when i swich to text mode. |
| 20:58.45 | linuxguy | tobberoth, wait till you see craigevil or h2 here before you start downloading nvidia drivers.......they worked for me :) |
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| 20:59.16 | bolt | is there a good rss reader that can display headlines on the desktop, like conky does for system statistics? |
| 20:59.17 | Vorodie | simonrvn: if not both, maybe i can switch the output from one to an other? |
| 20:59.23 | simonrvn | Vorodie: i would go find out if it's possible from a little 'research'. |
| 20:59.35 | linuxguy | tobberoth, i mean their script did :) |
| 20:59.40 | enouf | wait - VGA and VESA support up to ... er 1600x1200 ? |
| 20:59.51 | simonrvn | AFAIK you can't do that dynamically. |
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| 21:00.15 | simonrvn | i.e., without a reboot and bootloader tweaking. |
| 21:00.15 | MFen | does anyone know what dpkg -l status "ic" is? |
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| 21:00.21 | Vorodie | i did a "little" research before asking.... |
| 21:00.22 | enouf | i mean - as one large display - or .. does he want a mirror image on monitor 2? |
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| 21:00.43 | Vorodie | enouf: let's say i was a mirror |
| 21:00.46 | enouf | oh sure, yeah, vga= kernel boot param, sure |
| 21:00.48 | jabis | enouf, yep, and without any xorg configuration your virtual screen throws it to 1920xsomething |
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| 21:01.01 | MFen | i have package libgdl-gnome-1-0 with status 'ic'. apt-get install libgdl-gnome-1-0 says it's referred to by another package, but apt-cache showpkg shows no reverse dependencies. apt-get remove libgdl-gnome-1-0 says it's not installed (same if i add --purge) |
| 21:01.13 | MFen | basically i have this crazy package i can't get rid of wedged in my database |
| 21:01.18 | jelly-home | Vorodie: switching video outputs depends on the laptop model. There's usually a Fn+some-F-key combo |
| 21:01.40 | simonrvn | MFen: try just dpkg -P |
| 21:01.57 | wintix | what amount of network interface aliases e.g. eth0:0 eth0:1 .. is possible? |
| 21:01.58 | Vorodie | jelly-home: well my laptop ignore that one |
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| 21:02.11 | MFen | simonrvn: thanks, that did the trick |
| 21:02.19 | enouf | is that craptop a mac? |
| 21:02.21 | eptalon | wintix: how many do you need? |
| 21:02.21 | simonrvn | wintix: a lot |
| 21:02.23 | eevar_ | when can we expect postgresql8.4 in testing / unstable? |
| 21:02.26 | jelly-home | Vorodie: does it work before Linux is booted? |
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| 21:02.28 | asg | wintix: probably more than you need. What are your requirements? |
| 21:02.34 | simonrvn | eevar_: WIR |
| 21:02.51 | Vorodie | jelly-home: nope. |
| 21:02.53 | asg | eevar_: check incoming.debian.org and let us know when it shows up |
| 21:03.09 | jelly-home | Vorodie: complain to your hardware vendor, then |
| 21:03.12 | Vorodie | it's a dell inspiron 1525 (if it helps) |
| 21:03.15 | MFen | simonrvn: just to close the loop, what is the "c" in the "ic" status? |
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| 21:03.49 | simonrvn | ic seems like an ipossible state, but dpkg -l | head -n 6 will tell you |
| 21:03.54 | simonrvn | imp* |
| 21:03.57 | wintix | eptalon, simonrvn, asg: well. about 15000-30000 ipv6 adresses. |
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| 21:04.29 | simonrvn | witf |
| 21:04.30 | MFen | simonrvn: it says "cfg-files", but that doesn't mean anything to me |
| 21:04.32 | valdyn | wintix: you dont need virtual interfaces for ipv6 address on one iface necessarily |
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| 21:04.50 | valdyn | wintix: and you probably want to do something entirely silly anyway |
| 21:04.57 | simonrvn | what the package mgt. system considers configuration files |
| 21:05.45 | asg | MFen: you basically have indicated that a) you want to install the package (you previously removed it) because b) the config files still exist (i.e., you didn't purge it) |
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| 21:05.53 | MFen | hmm |
| 21:05.58 | wintix | valdyn: nope. it actually is a really serious requirement. consider a shared hosting environment. you have a few thousand customers on a box and each domain wants to have its own domain for nice ssl support. |
| 21:05.58 | eevar_ | simonrvn, asg: i mean, when is that? -- once they start releasing rc's, or not until the stable release is out? |
| 21:06.06 | MFen | it might have gotten state 'i' because i tried apt-get install libgdl-gnome-1-0 when i spotted it as having a problem |
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| 21:06.17 | eevar_ | or even pre-rc? |
| 21:06.17 | somedude | woah when did the new debian come out |
| 21:06.18 | wintix | valdyn: its own ipv6 of course |
| 21:06.22 | MFen | i don't know how it could have state 'c' if it was not actually installed though |
| 21:06.24 | dmoerner | somedude, feb 14 |
| 21:06.26 | asg | somedude: last weekend |
| 21:06.28 | valdyn | wintix: thats going to be alot of domains with no actual users |
| 21:06.31 | somedude | awesome |
| 21:06.50 | somedude | 22 months is not a bad amount of time for an upgrade not too long but not too fast either |
| 21:06.50 | valdyn | wintix: virtual domains in http cant do ssl? |
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| 21:07.04 | simonrvn | eevar_: we're not the DDs involved. ask them. |
| 21:07.04 | somedude | i'm stoked |
| 21:07.15 | jabis | Vorodie: you could try setting Option "monitorlayout" "lvdm,crt" in xorg.conf under the device section |
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| 21:07.26 | asg | eevar_: once packages start flowing into sid again, then it is possible that 8.4 will arrive. Again, that depends on if the maintainer of postgresql has decided to upload a new package. |
| 21:07.45 | somedude | like two weeks ago i was looking around the debian site for info on the upcoming release, didnt see much i started thinking about changing one of my boxes to fedora |
| 21:07.56 | wintix | valdyn: in my understanding each domain you want to have ssl for has to have its own ip |
| 21:07.56 | somedude | now that plan is scrapped |
| 21:08.07 | valdyn | wintix: quick test just told me it works up to 99999999 at least |
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| 21:08.30 | eevar_ | Oktane, thanks |
| 21:08.35 | eevar_ | Oktane, even |
| 21:08.48 | valdyn | wintix: question is if just one server can deal with having 99999999 apache processes |
| 21:08.53 | eevar_ | argh @ autocomplete. sorry Oktane , was typing OK |
| 21:08.57 | simonrvn | wintix: yes. you can always use wildcard ssl/domains |
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| 21:09.12 | eptalon | what option is there to display inode number in ls? |
| 21:09.44 | jelly-home | -i |
| 21:09.47 | simonrvn | auto-complete usually gets in the way. i turn that off if i'm using xchat... |
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| 21:10.04 | wintix | valdyn: that is definitely going to be interesting, yes. thank you for your help, everybody. |
| 21:10.33 | kunal | is there any free VoIP system on Debian? |
| 21:10.40 | asg | kunal: asterisk |
| 21:10.59 | kunal | Can I use asterisk to call anywhere for free on Debian? |
| 21:11.00 | valdyn | kunal: do you not really mean something like skype? |
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| 21:11.12 | kunal | something like skype |
| 21:11.22 | asg | kunal: ekiga |
| 21:11.26 | kunal | but I need something thats either dirt cheap or free. |
| 21:11.28 | valdyn | kunal: asterisk is a voip system, skype isnt |
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| 21:11.39 | valdyn | kunal: just use skype |
| 21:11.41 | eptalon | kunal: there is skype (nonfree), an I think gnome-meeting or somesuch |
| 21:11.42 | kunal | what i need to do is call from my PC to mobile phones. |
| 21:11.45 | kunal | skype is not free. |
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| 21:12.00 | valdyn | kunal: nothing is free to call landlines and mobile phones |
| 21:12.02 | kunal | i know there is a system that allows this. |
| 21:12.12 | valdyn | kunal: ad supported systems yes |
| 21:12.19 | eptalon | kunal: skype uses a prepaid system iirc. |
| 21:12.19 | valdyn | kunal: but having to listen to ads isnt free |
| 21:12.21 | kunal | some of the VoIP plans allows us to call to certain places for free. |
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| 21:12.22 | wintix | kunal: fwdout |
| 21:12.36 | kunal | fwdout? |
| 21:12.41 | valdyn | kunal: those plans are not free either |
| 21:12.46 | jelly-home | !tanstaafl |
| 21:12.47 | dpkg | tanstaafl is probably "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch", from Robert A. Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" Heinlein, "The cat who walks through walls" |
| 21:13.01 | eptalon | kunal: usual is: free inside the own porvider's network. |
| 21:13.15 | kunal | oh ok. |
| 21:13.23 | kunal | so theres no free cheap way out |
| 21:13.34 | kunal | rather than to use their the sytem the offer? |
| 21:13.43 | kunal | is there any whole sellers for VoIp |
| 21:13.45 | wintix | kunal: hmm. seems fwdout has closed its doors. nevermind. |
| 21:13.51 | asg | kunal: tons, google for them |
| 21:13.52 | edju | which kde does debian provide? not 4.x, i hope. |
| 21:13.55 | eptalon | kunal: there are various voip providers that offer priceplans. |
| 21:13.57 | kunal | whats fwdout? |
| 21:14.07 | eptalon | edju: what version of debian? |
| 21:14.10 | avu | edju, stable (ie lenny) comes with 3.5.10 |
| 21:14.11 | kunal | yes. i know. but which is the biggest one that has started it. |
| 21:14.13 | valdyn | every phone company here is also a voip provider |
| 21:14.22 | kunal | because i know alot of these price plans are outsourced |
| 21:14.34 | edju | 3.5.10 - good. |
| 21:14.46 | kunal | some big provider gives them some plan and then these smaller services sell it to locals. |
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| 21:15.01 | kunal | so i rather go directly to the big companies that run this system. |
| 21:15.03 | Iradieh | Is there an application to burn divx/xvid/avi movies on a cd-r and play them on a divxplayer? |
| 21:15.07 | tobberoth | jabis: I've run into more trouble. I found a guide on how to install the non-free nvidia drivers but the guide isn't working. It's telling me to apt-get nvidia-kernel-common which isn't in the repositories. |
| 21:15.19 | valdyn | kunal: which country are you talking about? |
| 21:15.28 | simonrvn | !tell tobberoth -about non-free |
| 21:15.41 | kunal | thailand. |
| 21:15.53 | eptalon | Iradieh: k3b is a nice graphical one that burns cd/dvd.. |
| 21:15.57 | valdyn | kunal: so go ask someone that is familiar with thai phone stuff |
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| 21:16.05 | valdyn | kunal: it doesnt work like that here |
| 21:16.09 | Haris | !dpkg iptables |
| 21:16.09 | dpkg | i heard iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 21:16.15 | valdyn | kunal: ( europe nor usa ) |
| 21:16.21 | eptalon | kunal: searched "thailand voip" in google? |
| 21:16.26 | Haris | how does one ask the version of iptables in lenny from dpkg ? |
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| 21:16.54 | kunal | might try. |
| 21:16.55 | valdyn | !info iptables lenny |
| 21:17.08 | valdyn | Haris: pdo is much faster usually |
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| 21:17.22 | Iradieh | Is there an application to burn divx/xvid/avi movies on a cd-r and play them on a divxplayer? I don't got X just commandline :) |
| 21:17.22 | dpkg | iptables: (administration tools for packet filtering and NAT), section net, is important. Version: 1.4.2-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 400 kB, Installed size: 1228 kB |
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| 21:17.47 | Haris | cool, I was thinking when debian would have iptables 1.4.x |
| 21:17.49 | Haris | thanks |
| 21:18.18 | simonrvn | has 1.4.2 even ;). the one with a fixed man page. |
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| 21:18.45 | tobberoth | simonrvn: Didn't help, it still can't find nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 21:18.57 | simonrvn | you updated? |
| 21:18.58 | tobberoth | simonrvn: nevermind, I'm stupid, forgot to update |
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| 21:19.02 | Haris | thanks guys |
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| 21:19.05 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 21:19.32 | rohan | what is the proper way to setup cpu frequncy scaling on my laptop? it uses an intel processor |
| 21:19.44 | evilGUI | I have a question I uncommented the security repo in the source.list is there anything else I need to do to recieve security updates? |
| 21:19.47 | simonrvn | tobberoth: that's a dumb move, but doesn't mean you're stupid. |
| 21:20.09 | simonrvn | evilGUI: update regularly |
| 21:20.20 | eptalon | evilGUI: run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade periodically? |
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| 21:21.08 | evilGUI | eptalon: Yeah. |
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| 21:21.51 | simonrvn | zophy: having network issues? |
| 21:21.54 | maher | evilchristel: if you use gnome there should be an updates button in the top left... |
| 21:22.04 | maher | evilGUI: : if you use gnome there should be an updates button in the top left... |
| 21:22.09 | simonrvn | hm, mayve an ircd |
| 21:22.09 | jvm | hi. i need to downgrade my libavcodec51 package because of this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493915 -- i am using the debian-multimedia version currently. i thought 'okay, uninstall it, remove debian-multimedia sources and install it again' but removing it would also mean that i'd 've to remove gnome and many other packages... any hint on how to downgrade or circumvent the problem? |
| 21:22.10 | valdyn | rohan: install cpufrequutils and read and edit /etc/default/cpufreq* |
| 21:22.22 | valdyn | rohan: with just one u ^ |
| 21:22.35 | maher | jvm: manually download the deb an dinstall it with dpkg |
| 21:23.08 | valdyn | jvm: aptitude install <packagename>=version |
| 21:23.09 | evilGUI | maher: I'm using Debian on my server. |
| 21:23.31 | valdyn | jvm: and the package should already be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:23.33 | nocture | anyone got experience with debian in virtualbox ? after i installed from netinstall (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) from here, when i shutdown the system it says something with single ended outside and it pauses the shutdown saying i can choose maintenance or Control-D to continue - either way i end up at login again, and i can't shut down |
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| 21:24.07 | valdyn | nocture: get the complete error message |
| 21:24.43 | nocture | ok, ill be back soon then ;p |
| 21:24.47 | maher | evilGUI: i susbscribe to the security announce email list and do updates as required |
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| 21:25.33 | RichiH | does anyone happen to have a working dual-screen xorg.conf for nvidia with different screen resolutions which they can paste into query? |
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| 21:26.09 | valdyn | RichiH: yes |
| 21:26.14 | rohan | valdyn: which docs do i read, to decide what cpufreq module is needed for my processor? |
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| 21:26.27 | RichiH | valdyn: yay |
| 21:26.31 | RichiH | fire away |
| 21:26.33 | evilGUI | Alright, also is there anything I should do to secure lighttpd or mysql? |
| 21:26.45 | valdyn | rohan: i dont know, acpi_cpufreq might just work |
| 21:27.01 | anewbie | hi there guys is there a software in debian that i can use to encrypt he passwords in my .conf files |
| 21:27.11 | jvm | valdyn, 'aptitude install libavcodec51=0.svn20080206-17' says it will downgrade the requested package and a few others, but also remove 70 packages (among them openoffice). |
| 21:27.44 | rohan | valdyn: if i don't mention any module in /etc/default/cpufreqd, is it ok? or do i need to mention a CPUFREQ_CPU_MODULE? |
| 21:28.08 | RichiH | valdyn: i have two people who are nagging me to get the TV working, please hurry :p |
| 21:28.12 | maher | jvm: you can tell dpkg to force install something in spite of brakage |
| 21:28.20 | evilGUI | Is this up to date? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ ? |
| 21:28.40 | asg | evilGUI: it is a little old but most of the info in there is applicable |
| 21:28.49 | evilGUI | asg: Alright. |
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| 21:31.45 | jvm | maher, valdyn: thank you. |
| 21:31.59 | CoolCold | i have machine, it's running under 2.6.24 kernel, and i wanna install 2.6.18-openvz kernel |
| 21:32.06 | CoolCold | is there way to map loaded modules and lspci output to hardware list? |
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| 21:33.40 | valdyn | RichiH: https://valdyn.org/~valdyn/xorg.conf |
| 21:33.42 | valdyn | RichiH: but i have dual screen disabled |
| 21:33.45 | streuner | !hcl |
| 21:33.45 | dpkg | it has been said that hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask about <modinfo pci alias> |
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| 21:35.06 | qubodup | hello |
| 21:35.13 | qubodup | http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary is down |
| 21:35.24 | qubodup | is there anyone here who can do something about it/ explain why this is? |
| 21:35.39 | qubodup | is evan prodromou (the author) in the room |
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| 21:36.24 | smack | My totem-gstreamer movies randomly stop, and when they do my music starts playing on the first song in my playlist. This happens on two separate computers of mine randomly. What would happen if dbus was crashing? How would I know if dbus was crashing? |
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| 21:36.56 | eptalon | smack: are the files oyu are playing ok? |
| 21:36.58 | maher | smack: you programs are probably fighting over who gets to access the sound card |
| 21:37.30 | smack | hmm, how do I fix the "fighting"? :) |
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| 21:38.19 | smack | Also, it happens when I only have my music player open. When it's just sitting there not playing. |
| 21:38.27 | smack | So actually it might not be the combination of the two causing it. |
| 21:38.42 | anewbie | what i am wrong |
| 21:38.57 | anewbie | libapache-htpasswd-perl |
| 21:39.06 | evilGUI | Does it matter where I add this in my SSH config file? AllowUsers |
| 21:39.19 | anewbie | is the only package that i find in repositorys for password cypting |
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| 21:39.24 | anewbie | ai make apt-get instal |
| 21:39.33 | anewbie | and there is no active htpasswd command |
| 21:39.36 | anewbie | needer man entry ?! |
| 21:40.03 | simonrvn | anewbie: apache2.2-common has htpasswd IIRC |
| 21:40.09 | smack | I think I'll start my rhythmbox up in a terminal so I can see if it outputs anything when it does it. |
| 21:40.13 | simonrvn | !find bin/htpasswd |
| 21:40.17 | maher | smack: ok - don't know why your music player would suddenly start playing... |
| 21:40.57 | smack | That's cool, thanks for letting me query your brain about it. :) |
| 21:41.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/htpasswd' (4): (/usr/bin/htpasswd.roxen4) in web/roxen4 ;; (/usr/bin/htpasswd-caudium) in web/caudium-modules ;; (/usr/bin/htpasswd) in web/apache2-utils,web/mini-httpd ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/htpasswd) in libdevel/apache2-dbg. |
| 21:41.12 | smack | I'm starting up both my music player and movie player in terminals so I can see if they spit out anything. |
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| 21:41.38 | simonrvn | anewbie: apache2-utils |
| 21:42.36 | anewbie | gee |
| 21:42.37 | anewbie | :) |
| 21:42.40 | anewbie | 10x simeon_ |
| 21:42.46 | anewbie | not you simeon_ |
| 21:42.49 | anewbie | i mean simonrvn |
| 21:42.50 | anewbie | :D |
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| 21:46.23 | nocture | ok ill try again |
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| 21:46.56 | nocture | i installed debian on virtualbox, when i use shutdown now it says error "single" exited outside the expected code flow, then it says "give root password for maintenance(or type Control-D for continue): |
| 21:47.04 | nocture | and nomatter what i do it ends up at login again, so i can't shutdown |
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| 21:48.23 | bzed | nocture: power it off?> |
| 21:48.29 | nocture | well |
| 21:48.32 | nocture | i would like it to shutdown properly |
| 21:48.37 | _Maikon_ | hello |
| 21:48.38 | nocture | and work correctly |
| 21:48.51 | bzed | nocture: never had a problem with it here... |
| 21:48.58 | nocture | :/ |
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| 21:49.30 | _Maikon_ | how runs debian on a msi wind? nice ? bad? any exp :) |
| 21:49.34 | dalgrun | estét |
| 21:49.48 | bzed | _Maikon_: out of curiosity: what's that? :D |
| 21:50.06 | _Maikon_ | bzed a nice netbook :D |
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| 21:50.33 | somedude | i tried to do a aptitude upgrade but it timed out trying to resolve |
| 21:50.35 | _Maikon_ | i read something about, but that person test it with a etch |
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| 21:51.29 | somedude | so now i dont know what to do |
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| 21:51.41 | somedude | is it an error or my pc is not fast enough |
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| 21:52.00 | jpinx | somedude: sounds like your conection |
| 21:52.07 | jpinx | try a different mirror? |
| 21:52.12 | _Maikon_ | somedude have you checked the /etc/apt/source.list ? |
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| 21:52.56 | _Maikon_ | maybe there's any mistake, check it with an apt-get update |
| 21:53.10 | somedude | you need more than 2.4MB to use debian now |
| 21:53.25 | somedude | wait |
| 21:53.28 | _Maikon_ | that is your conection? |
| 21:53.38 | somedude | apt-get? the install thing said to use aptitude now |
| 21:53.41 | somedude | fiber |
| 21:53.54 | somedude | hmmmm |
| 21:53.56 | jpinx | somedude: yes - use aptitude |
| 21:53.56 | WX_0 | Aptitude is apt-get, somedude |
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| 21:54.16 | _Maikon_ | WX_0 almost, but. there is no big diference |
| 21:54.18 | jpinx | WX_0: wrong aptitude is much more than apt-get |
| 21:54.19 | somedude | i dont think its the same since the upgrade instructions tell you to upgrade them both first before you install |
| 21:54.25 | WX_0 | jpinx: Oh? |
| 21:54.32 | _Maikon_ | jpinx why? |
| 21:54.39 | somedude | hmmm maybe the mirror is full with lots of downloaders |
| 21:54.41 | jpinx | man aptitude |
| 21:54.43 | somedude | the release is still pretty new |
| 21:54.47 | WX_0 | Doing so now. |
| 21:55.10 | jpinx | somedude: follow the upgrade instructions carefully |
| 21:55.16 | somedude | yeah i did |
| 21:55.21 | somedude | i got to aptitude upgrade |
| 21:55.25 | WX_0 | jpinx: The back-end is the same between the two.. |
| 21:55.25 | somedude | then it timed out |
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| 21:56.06 | jpinx | somedude I presume that is upgrading etch? |
| 21:56.07 | somedude | its just the resolving thing was saying like 3 dependencies to go then suddenly it shot up to like 200 and then it started going back down under 100 and it said timeout |
| 21:56.12 | somedude | yeah |
| 21:56.23 | somedude | i wasnt sure if its the script running to slow or the connection |
| 21:56.27 | somedude | it doesnt show what speed you get |
| 21:56.30 | jpinx | ok - use apt-get to upgrade etch |
| 21:56.38 | jpinx | see if that is any easier |
| 21:56.49 | somedude | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:57.01 | jpinx | apt-get doesn't chase dependendies to the same extent as aptitude |
| 21:57.27 | jpinx | somedude: no - you said you are at upgrade of etch |
| 21:57.35 | somedude | yeah |
| 21:57.47 | somedude | i followed the upgrade instructions to the "aptitude update" |
| 21:57.53 | somedude | so try a apt-get update? |
| 21:57.58 | jpinx | then it is apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
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| 21:58.09 | somedude | wait wait it was aptitude upgrade |
| 21:58.25 | somedude | ok i will try apt-get |
| 21:58.30 | jpinx | somedude: your etch needs to be up to the last upgrade before you go to lenny |
| 21:58.31 | Linuturk | aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 21:58.38 | somedude | yeah i did that |
| 21:58.45 | somedude | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.50 | somedude | it just times out for some reason |
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| 21:59.00 | jpinx | Linuturk: he's not at that stage yet |
| 21:59.37 | jpinx | somedude: if you are repeating processes and doubling back on the process you will have a bad result |
| 21:59.53 | somedude | i didnt repeat anything |
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| 22:00.11 | jpinx | stick to the plot exactly and don't move forward until each instruction is completed |
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| 22:00.23 | somedude | thats what i did |
| 22:00.36 | somedude | thats why im not moving forward |
| 22:00.39 | somedude | because it times out |
| 22:00.43 | somedude | so i cannot go forward |
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| 22:00.46 | jpinx | and where are you now exactly? |
| 22:00.51 | maher | somedude: try a different mirror in /apt/sources.list |
| 22:00.57 | somedude | "aptitude upgrade" |
| 22:01.11 | somedude | yeah i guess i'll try to switch mirrors |
| 22:01.31 | somedude | i just wanted to see what was wrong because the script does not show your download speed so you cant tell if the mirror is slow |
| 22:01.35 | jpinx | somedude: ok - you can do 2 things - try another mirror as I first suggested and then try apt-get |
| 22:01.42 | somedude | ok |
| 22:01.51 | somedude | sounds like a plan |
| 22:01.53 | somedude | thanks |
| 22:01.58 | jpinx | np |
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| 22:03.43 | HSNews | people I have conflict with network cards |
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| 22:03.57 | HSNews | I have 2 cards: eth0 - internet, eth1 - only network |
| 22:04.04 | HSNews | but Internet doesn't work |
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| 22:04.20 | edju | about to install debian. currently running that other one - starts with a u - coming to the mothership! i'll leave my home partition, but all those dot files . . . should I just rm them all? |
| 22:04.21 | HSNews | debian try to use internet from eth1 |
| 22:04.45 | HSNews | how to setup eth1 - only for network, eth0 - only for internet? |
| 22:04.51 | _Maikon_ | do you know witch port is eth0 and eth1? |
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| 22:05.21 | carl_ | I did a make install without thinking and overwrote some libs from ffmpeg and now i think ive managed to break the ffmpeg package. --reinstall --purge doesnt seem to fix things, is there another trick? |
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| 22:05.40 | HSNews | _Maikon_: what you mean 'port'? I don't know :( |
| 22:06.05 | _Maikon_ | hhmmm |
| 22:06.06 | HSNews | I know what is 'port' but what os port of eth i don't know |
| 22:06.08 | _Maikon_ | wireless? |
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| 22:06.19 | HSNews | _Maikon_: no |
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| 22:06.41 | jpinx | edju: depends on whether you have enough disk space to do a parallel install |
| 22:07.28 | jpinx | carl_: try using aptitude purge first - then aptitude install |
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| 22:07.59 | edju | jpinx, you mean a dual-boot? i don't want that - just debian. |
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| 22:08.34 | zepard | hi all |
| 22:08.58 | jpinx | dula boot to make sure you don't lose anything and then incorporate the old partitions as storage space |
| 22:09.02 | tux91 | Hello everybody. How do I install openoffice 3? |
| 22:09.10 | dmoerner | tux91, it's in sid now |
| 22:09.15 | dmoerner | what are you running? |
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| 22:09.41 | tux91 | dmoerner: stable + experimental |
| 22:09.50 | stoned | wow |
| 22:09.57 | stoned | I was just a victim of racial intimidation on irc |
| 22:10.01 | zepard | I have no clue about wmaker to start it from cmline with -display option, it simple doesn't start like this, anyone have a hint for this? without using xinitrc? |
| 22:10.02 | stoned | heh |
| 22:10.06 | stoned | it never ends |
| 22:10.12 | tux91 | dmoerner: does this mean i'll have to update to sid? |
| 22:10.13 | dmoerner | stoned, and i thought you were talking about the idea of stable and experimental hahaha |
| 22:10.19 | |adri| | hi all i have a problem with apache2 after mod ssl instalation |
| 22:10.21 | stoned | no man |
| 22:10.24 | stoned | I'm just a bit upset |
| 22:10.24 | |adri| | [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
| 22:10.31 | stoned | I wasn't ready to hear this shit |
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| 22:10.32 | |adri| | can i fix this ? |
| 22:10.49 | simonrvn | yes |
| 22:11.05 | stoned | my culture and religion were just severely attacked and I'm like wtf... so I was like, uhm.. ok, /part |
| 22:11.22 | stoned | heh but im not upset at hearing it, I'm upset that its still prevalent on freenode |
| 22:11.23 | maher | stoned: they found out you were really a dog? |
| 22:11.25 | stoned | where its us hackers |
| 22:11.29 | dmoerner | stoned, yeah that's bizarre. irc attracts those of all mindsets...not necessarily those willing to accept all mindsets |
| 22:11.37 | stoned | i mean, wer're without religious bias, race or religion |
| 22:11.38 | stoned | or culture |
| 22:11.46 | stoned | we're just techies, but no |
| 22:11.53 | stoned | blah whatever, I needed to vent, so I'm done now |
| 22:11.59 | stoned | continue with #debian support |
| 22:12.08 | HSNews | People, how to setup: eth0 via DHCP and eth1 via DCHP and make it work both. Eth0 - for Internet trafic |
| 22:12.18 | HSNews | eth1 - for networking |
| 22:12.32 | simonrvn | stoned: *plonk* the fucker and report him/her to fn staff |
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| 22:12.53 | stoned | simonrvn, 'Thats why america is better and thats why you're here. Go the fuck back to pakistan' |
| 22:12.56 | stoned | thats never nice to hear |
| 22:13.04 | stoned | simonrvn, nah, its alright, I'll pray for him |
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| 22:13.40 | simonrvn | that's not going to stop him. but anyway. </ot> |
| 22:13.44 | CoolCold | are there any reasons to use lilo? |
| 22:13.55 | CoolCold | hoster installed lilo as boot loader on server |
| 22:14.04 | CoolCold | i prefer grub personally |
| 22:14.05 | SQlvpapir | used to be only efi bl? |
| 22:14.07 | simonrvn | i can't think of any |
| 22:14.11 | stoned | grub is the shiznit |
| 22:14.13 | zepard | CoolCold: xfs? |
| 22:14.23 | CoolCold | no, ext3 |
| 22:14.26 | stoned | what does it stand for again? |
| 22:14.28 | tobberoth | My nvidia install went fine but turns out flash isn't working in Iceweasel. I can start flash movies and there is sound, but no video. |
| 22:14.29 | stoned | !grub |
| 22:14.30 | dpkg | [grub] the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors> |
| 22:14.36 | enouf | CoolCold: raidX+lvm+crypy |
| 22:14.40 | stoned | ahhh GRand Unified booter |
| 22:14.41 | enouf | crypt |
| 22:14.42 | CoolCold | no no |
| 22:14.50 | stoned | enouf, I need you buddy |
| 22:14.51 | CoolCold | well, raid1 for / |
| 22:15.03 | CoolCold | but grub perdectly works with raid1 |
| 22:15.17 | CoolCold | *perfectly |
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| 22:15.32 | MarGarina | Woohoo, OOo 3 in sid! |
| 22:15.41 | Kabraxis | When client connect to VPN server client lost connection with internet. I use OpenVPN. I have hashed ;push "redirect-gateway". Anybody have any idea why? |
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| 22:16.01 | zepard | MarGarina: no really |
| 22:16.12 | MarGarina | zepard: no? I'm apt-geting it |
| 22:16.16 | CoolCold | enouf: any more ideas? |
| 22:17.31 | gustavo | how do i reset gnome-panel settings? |
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| 22:19.23 | zepard | MarGarina: hah, you're rught |
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| 22:19.31 | zepard | ^right |
| 22:20.37 | zepard | still no idea about wmaker starting with -display |
| 22:20.39 | zepard | ? |
| 22:20.59 | zepard | is there a bug on wmaker? |
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| 22:22.24 | simonrvn | zepard: BTS |
| 22:22.31 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 22:22.31 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 22:22.48 | zepard | yes here I'm going |
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| 22:28.46 | tobberoth | That's odd, SOME videos work on youtube... seems to be some massive problems with the preinstalled flash player. |
| 22:28.51 | enouf | CoolCold: well, i can't think of any other advantage offhand, can you? |
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| 22:29.13 | enouf | CoolCold: maybe fallback modes? though i know grub can also do that |
| 22:29.14 | stoned | MarGarina, finally |
| 22:29.25 | stoned | my bowl is packed |
| 22:29.33 | jpinx | tobberoth: I had similar issues |
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| 22:30.00 | jpinx | tobberoth: I could not download some of youtube big videos |
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| 22:30.32 | tobberoth | jpinx: How did you fix it? |
| 22:31.10 | jpinx | tobberoth: I got a updated plugin |
| 22:32.05 | tobberoth | I don't even know how to uninstall the one that came preinstalled, it isn't in the repositories anymore so I can't remove it from apt-get |
| 22:32.19 | Farhadix | Hi guys, which group can mount and write in ntfs and vfat drives? |
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| 22:33.32 | Mikaze | Anyone recommend a really, really good flatbed scanner? |
| 22:34.14 | dusty | Hey guys, I have just bought myself another falt screen samsung monitor. I have cloned output working at the moment how do I get dual monitors working (ati radeon graphics card) 1 dvi one vga (both are 22" screens) |
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| 22:35.34 | brian|lfs | I should get a second acer 24 inch monitor lol |
| 22:35.40 | brian|lfs | that would be nuts that much screen |
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| 22:36.45 | sidh | hello gentle(wo)men |
| 22:37.12 | sidh | does someone use proxmox ? (debian derivaated project) |
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| 22:38.01 | karmatronic | hi guys |
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| 22:48.02 | stoned | yo |
| 22:48.06 | stoned | karmatronic, sup |
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| 22:49.17 | Ace2017-_ | does sudo strip the exported variables? |
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| 22:49.52 | gihad | Why do I find the same version of the linux kernel image in all the repositories for the stable, testing and unstable versions of debian ? |
| 22:49.54 | Ace2017-_ | i tried sudo ./autogen.sh and the configure fails, but the previous command was ./autogen.sh as the user and it went fine |
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| 22:51.01 | karmatronic | hi stoned |
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| 22:51.11 | kingsley | Is it reasonable to assume that a scsi host adapter card has failed when 1.) the kernel stopped seeing a SCSI scanner attached to it, and 2.) a week later, the kernel stopped seeing the SCSI host adapter? |
| 22:51.24 | karmatronic | gihad: hum.... |
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| 22:51.45 | karmatronic | gihad: probably since testing and stable are ver alike those days... |
| 22:52.29 | dusty | Does anyone know how to set up dual monitor under debian lenny with ati card ? |
| 22:52.38 | gihad | karmatronic: the same goes with KDE, all the versions of debian using the same KDE |
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| 22:52.58 | ShamwowVideoProf | hello all |
| 22:53.05 | karmatronic | gihad: and probably with more packages,lenny was release one week ago... |
| 22:53.07 | kingsley | Ace2017-_: Perhaps you could test it by doing something like ... $ export a=b ; sudo echo $a |
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| 22:54.19 | aburch | kingsley: That will do the same as just "export a=b; echo $a". The shell will expand $a *before* calling sudo. |
| 22:54.24 | HSNews | how to set autologin |
| 22:54.30 | HSNews | on load |
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| 22:55.21 | gihad | karmatronic: humm, I see |
| 22:55.37 | kingsley | aburch: Thanks. That's a good point. Ace2017-_: What aburch said. |
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| 22:56.24 | kingsley | aburch: What would you think of ... $ export a=b ; sudo 'echo $a' |
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| 22:58.01 | ShamwowVideoProf | when I install lenny 5.0 and choose unstable, USB and networking doesn't work. When I choose the 2.6-bigmem kernel on unstable, USB works but not networking. When I choose testing, no matter what kernel I choose, USB and networking work. When I choose testing and upgrade to unstable afterwards, everything works fine. anybody else have these problems? |
| 22:58.32 | ShamwowVideoProf | it's veh-wee veh-wee wee-ahd |
| 22:59.00 | aburch | kingsley: command not found. I recommend "man sudo": By default, the env_reset sudoers option is enabled. This causes commands to be executed with a minimal environment [...] |
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| 23:00.21 | kingsley | Ace2017-_: What aburch said. |
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| 23:01.28 | aburch | Ace2017-_: Why do you want to run ./autogen.sh as root at all if you can run is as a normal user just fine? |
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| 23:02.47 | ShamwowVideoProf | kem kem |
| 23:04.17 | starbuck11 | has somebody installed drupal6 in lenny via apt-get install? |
| 23:04.49 | ShamwowVideoProf | yes |
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| 23:05.01 | ShamwowVideoProf | I have starbuck11 but i have no idea what it does |
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| 23:05.13 | starbuck11 | ShamwowVideoProf, lol |
| 23:05.24 | Decepticon | on command line, what method is there to obtain the realtime cpu usage % |
| 23:05.36 | ceil420 | top? |
| 23:05.40 | Decepticon | right now i have top -b -n 1 -p 0 | awk '/^Cpu/{cpu=$2} END{printf "%d%%\n",cpu}' |
| 23:05.42 | Decepticon | i dont like it |
| 23:05.44 | Decepticon | its too slow |
| 23:06.06 | Decepticon | i need a number, not all this extra info, so i am parsing with awk |
| 23:06.27 | Decepticon | i will be calling it very often |
| 23:06.30 | Decepticon | so it needs to be fast |
| 23:06.50 | Decepticon | any ideas |
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| 23:08.13 | Decepticon | what other utililties are there that give cpu utilization infoi |
| 23:08.20 | Decepticon | and arent as slow as top |
| 23:08.31 | Decepticon | like free, free is fast, but for memory |
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| 23:09.16 | Decepticon | is there something similiar to free, for cpu usage, fast and lean (top takes too long to load for scripted purposes) |
| 23:09.20 | aburch | Decepticon: I think the kernel only records CPU time (see /proc/stat), so you need two points in time to calculate the average cpu usage betwwen them. |
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| 23:11.32 | Mikaze | Hello. Can anyone recommend a really, really good flatbed scanner? I'm blind and need to do OCR with it. The scanner the govt loaned me doesn't connect to the puter, except thru a password protected pin-drive port.. |
| 23:11.35 | Decepticon | i see |
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| 23:15.34 | Schuenemann | hi, I'm using Etch. To configure my wireless card (Intel 3945ABG), will I need to rebuild the kernel? "dmesg | grep wlan" outputs nothing. |
| 23:15.38 | enouf | Decepticon: perhaps look at libstatgrab6? |
| 23:16.00 | Decepticon | i will take a look and see |
| 23:16.14 | jpinx | what's the syntax for dpkg -l | grep "anything beginning with k" |
| 23:16.18 | enouf | Decepticon: http://www.i-scream.org/libstatgrab/ |
| 23:17.01 | enouf | jpinx: grep -i '^k' ... |
| 23:17.18 | jpinx | enouf: cheers :) |
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| 23:18.05 | comradekingu | Schuenemann: The 3945 should work, try "dmesg | grep kill switch" |
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| 23:19.03 | Schuenemann | comradekingu, is that syntax correct? It says "switch: file or directory not found" |
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| 23:19.57 | Schuenemann | the kernel is 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 23:20.46 | enouf | jpinx: my bad; ~$ dpkg -l | awk '{ print$2 }' | grep ^k |
| 23:20.59 | jpinx | enouf: yea - ok tks |
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| 23:21.30 | comradekingu | Schuenemann: Yes? Just a thought. If it doesnt give any results kill switch is off, meaning there is no problem there |
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| 23:21.59 | Schuenemann | comradekingu, I haven't installed any desktop environments yet, if that makes any difference |
| 23:22.43 | simonrvn | might want to consider upgrading to current stable, Schuenemann |
| 23:23.02 | Schuenemann | simonrvn, what, kernel? |
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| 23:23.53 | enouf | jpinx: you might like ~$ grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Version -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | grep ^k (install dctrl-tools and grep-dctrl pkgs) |
| 23:24.08 | comradekingu | The intel wireless cards have been supported for quite some time. But i think there was a change to the iwl driver at one point |
| 23:24.37 | enouf | jpinx: heck, add a | sort -n in there, just prior to the grep |
| 23:24.59 | enouf | comradekingu: many ;-) |
| 23:25.23 | comradekingu | Note: The iwlwifi driver has been merged into mainline kernel since 2.6.24. If you are using kernels after this release, please use the intree (drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi) driver directly. After 2.6.26 the intree driver iwlagn also supports the new 5100BG, 5100ABG, 5100AGN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series hardwares. |
| 23:25.29 | comradekingu | http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/ |
| 23:25.29 | enouf | !ipw3945 |
| 23:25.29 | dpkg | If you're running Lenny (or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel) - ask me about <iwlwifi> instead as you can't use the old ipw3945 driver. For etch with the 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. |
| 23:25.47 | Schuenemann | !iwlwifi |
| 23:25.47 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch> <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 23:26.00 | enouf | !tell Schuenemann: -about msgthebot |
| 23:26.03 | comradekingu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:26.51 | enouf | Schuenemann: follow the dpkg instructs for -> For etch with the 2.6.18 kernel, do.... |
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| 23:27.08 | Schuenemann | how am I going to install all that stuff without internet access? :-/ |
| 23:27.12 | enouf | !tell Schuenemann -about msgthebot |
| 23:27.20 | enouf | better |
| 23:27.25 | enouf | what? |
| 23:27.32 | gihad | I need to update to the 2.6.28 version of the kernel, I'm running 'testing'. Is there an easy way to upgrade my kernel ? |
| 23:27.48 | enouf | gihad: why? |
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| 23:28.06 | enouf | gihad: you're on squeeze now? not lenny? |
| 23:28.08 | gihad | enouf: I have an acer aspire one, several hardware are not 100|% supported by 2.6.26 |
| 23:28.24 | gihad | (hardware in my notebook) |
| 23:28.31 | gihad | enouf: squeeze |
| 23:28.34 | enouf | gihad: /msg dpkg trunk kernel (follow 1st url) |
| 23:29.23 | gihad | enouf: thank you |
| 23:30.06 | Schuenemann | enouf, the laptop has no internet yet. I'll need it to install those packages |
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| 23:31.24 | Fund | I need Encrypt Library |
| 23:31.30 | Fund | what is the name of the package |
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| 23:32.05 | enouf | Schuenemann: so d/l them onto usb key or burn to cd |
| 23:32.14 | jpinx | where is the folder containing the menu options on the desktop? Im using lxde and there's no obvious .file in ~/ |
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| 23:32.52 | enouf | Schuenemann: copy the .deb(s) into /var/cache/apt/archives and install using dpkg -i <pkgname> |
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| 23:33.33 | Schuenemann | enouf, but this computer has ubuntu, not debian |
| 23:33.36 | enouf | Schuenemann: packages.debian.org is from where |
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| 23:33.40 | enouf | what? |
| 23:33.49 | Schuenemann | the one I'm using now |
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| 23:34.19 | bolt | is there a good rss reader that can display headlines on the desktop, like conky does for system statistics? |
| 23:34.41 | Schuenemann | enouf, how about if I download it from here? http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=downloads Will it need kernel rebuild? |
| 23:34.49 | enouf | Schuenemann: i don;t care if you're on an ibm mainframe |
| 23:35.19 | enouf | do what dpkgbot suggests |
| 23:35.32 | Decepticon | enouf do you ahve any idea how saidar gets stats from libstatgrab so it calculates these % ? or how i can use the stats from statgrab to get these %'s on my own |
| 23:35.55 | enouf | Decepticon: all i know is, it's written in C :-) |
| 23:36.08 | Decepticon | statgrab seems interseting |
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| 23:37.14 | Schuenemann | I don't get it |
| 23:37.26 | Schuenemann | add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d -- I don't need to be using debian to do this? |
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| 23:37.53 | enouf | Schuenemann: not if you follow my alternate instructs, no |
| 23:38.17 | enouf | Schuenemann: but - you might want to add contrib and non-free anyway |
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| 23:39.09 | enouf | Schuenemann: ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) == ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 23:39.23 | enouf | (from what you said earlier) |
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| 23:39.36 | Schuenemann | I know that. I don't understand how am I going to get those .debs |
| 23:39.42 | enouf | !info ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 23:39.52 | enouf | <enouf> Schuenemann: packages.debian.org is from where |
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| 23:40.13 | enouf | awe crap - hold on |
| 23:40.22 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.07 | enouf | Schuenemann: http://packages.debian.org/etch/ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
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| 23:41.22 | enouf | !info ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-amd64 --release oldstable |
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| 23:41.41 | tobberoth | Nautilus keeps opening new windows when I double-click folders instead of opening them on the spot. How can I change this behaviour? |
| 23:41.43 | enouf | wow, i suck with the bots :-P |
| 23:41.53 | enouf | but it's there :-0 |
| 23:41.56 | cafuego | i wasn't going to say it, but yes |
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| 23:42.10 | cr3 | anyone happen to know how to mount an lvm partition from a usb drive? the pvs command is not returning any volume groups, just errors about not being able to read VolGroup00 |
| 23:42.48 | Schuenemann | enouf, ok, I'll look for the other packages |
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| 23:44.10 | enouf | Schuenemann: http://packages.debian.org/etch/firmware-ipw3945 and http://packages.debian.org/etch/ipw3945d |
| 23:44.20 | enouf | amazing - innit? |
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| 23:44.57 | enouf | Schuenemann: consider upgrading to Lenny (Stable) so you get to use the newer iwlwifi drivers :-p |
| 23:45.36 | Schuenemann | yeah... sounds reasonable. I wasn't stable when I got etch. The only problem is my slow connection |
| 23:45.59 | cafuego | it's only 5 DVDs, should take a few minutes tops ;-) |
| 23:46.18 | Schuenemann | it took me ages to get etch with only 1 DVD |
| 23:46.27 | enouf | hehe |
| 23:46.29 | enouf | ~$ ll /var/cache/apt/archives | grep '\.deb' | wc -l |
| 23:46.30 | enouf | 2177 |
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| 23:47.20 | cafuego | apt-cacher ftw |
| 23:47.46 | dmarkey | with bind9 it seems to be only listening to localhost, how do i make it listen on all interfaces? |
| 23:47.49 | enouf | considers debfoster, deborphan and apt-get autoclean |
| 23:47.51 | cafuego | v /var/cache/apt-cacher/packages | grep '\.deb' | wc -l |
| 23:47.52 | cafuego | 12494 |
| 23:47.57 | enouf | ... |
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| 23:48.27 | cafuego | 13GiB ftw |
| 23:48.32 | zepard | tobberoth: 1. Double-click on the âComputerâ icon on your desktop. |
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| 23:48.36 | zepard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:48.38 | zepard | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.52 | enouf | wtf |
| 23:48.58 | cafuego | zepard: I don't think I will. |
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| 23:49.19 | enouf | what is an icon? |
| 23:49.29 | enouf | you mean like the pope? |
| 23:49.31 | zepard | cafuego: :) |
| 23:49.37 | cafuego | dmarkey: The default behaviour is to always listen on all interfaces (ipv4 and ipv6) |
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| 23:49.56 | zepard | enouf: there are people on desktops |
| 23:50.06 | enouf | cafuego: nice to see you too :-P |
| 23:50.09 | cafuego | dmarkey: unless the other interfaces aren't up when bibnd starts, of course |
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| 23:50.40 | enouf | zepard: as long as they're female and willing, i'm happy :-P |
| 23:50.46 | enouf | hides |
| 23:51.03 | kingsley | How would you diagnose why a SCSI host adapter no longer sees a certain SCSI device? |
| 23:51.22 | enouf | kingsley: real scsi or sata? |
| 23:51.28 | zepard | enouf: well, should maybe rmove gnome-desktop and kde from the repo |
| 23:51.30 | zepard | :) |
| 23:51.33 | cafuego | kingsley: Move the device (change scsi id, different connector on scsi cable) |
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| 23:51.47 | kingsley | enouf: Thanks for asking. I'm confident that it's a real SCSI device. |
| 23:51.56 | cafuego | Check termination (hah!) |
| 23:52.06 | enouf | kingsley: rescan-scsi.sh from scsitools pkg |
| 23:52.22 | enouf | !find rescan-scsi.sh |
| 23:52.29 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'rescan-scsi.sh' returned no results. |
| 23:52.38 | enouf | awe crap |
| 23:52.46 | enouf | dpkg: you' |
| 23:52.46 | dpkg | enouf: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 23:52.52 | enouf | heh .. |
| 23:53.11 | themill | scsitools: /sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
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| 23:53.22 | Schuenemann | enouf, what is the next step after modprobe ? |
| 23:53.52 | starbuck11 | i get a problem with apt-file update: Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 23:54.19 | themill | starbuck11: don't worry about it. Security updates don't normally introduce new files |
| 23:54.20 | starbuck11 | and it really seems like this file doesnt exist at its specified place |
| 23:54.21 | enouf | aha! /sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh scsitools |
| 23:54.35 | enouf | !find rescan-scsi-bus.sh lenny |
| 23:55.04 | themill | dpkg, you're slow |
| 23:55.04 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
| 23:55.07 | cafuego | dmarkey: If there is a listen-on {}; directive in /etc/bind/named.conf.option that specifies just localhost, comment it out. |
| 23:55.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rescan-scsi-bus.sh' (2): (/sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh) in utils/scsitools ;; (/usr/share/doc/sg3-utils/examples/archive/rescan-scsi-bus.sh) in admin/sg3-utils. |
| 23:55.23 | Schuenemann | shouldn't dmesg | grep wlan return something? |
| 23:55.24 | starbuck11 | themill, thats a true word, but its irritating somehow, apt-file searches for a file but this file doesnt exist |
| 23:56.00 | manu_hack | dpkg: you are overpaid |
| 23:56.01 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 23:56.17 | enouf | Schuenemann: did you install all 3 .debs? |
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| 23:56.42 | kingsley | enouf & themill: Coincidentally, the bug retrieval phase of "aptitude install" is hanging on my box. |
| 23:56.45 | enouf | Schuenemann: dmesg | tail ; lsmod | grep <modulename> |
| 23:56.45 | themill | starbuck11: you can change the apt-file configuration if you really want, but if you're running lenny, then I wouldn't worry about running "apt-file update" again. |
| 23:57.12 | icebrain | hi, how can I know the last upgraded packages? my psmouse stops working (bad data from KBC) and this only started a few day ago |
| 23:57.31 | themill | icebrain: aptitude keeps logs |
| 23:57.32 | starbuck11 | ok, thx anyway |
| 23:57.43 | Schuenemann | enouf, hmm... it seems ok |
| 23:58.05 | Schuenemann | iwlist scanning shows my network |
| 23:58.13 | enouf | icebrain: you can swap it out without rebooting, got another known working one - oh it's the software issue? |
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| 23:58.48 | enouf | kingsley: i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 23:59.00 | icebrain | icebrain: the problem happens to a touchpad (well, a stick pad) from my laptop |
| 23:59.07 | icebrain | /icebrain/enouf/ |
| 23:59.08 | kingsley | enouf: I may owe you an apology for being too terse. |
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| 23:59.18 | icebrain | themill: thanks, I'll check it |