| 00:00.01 | icebrain | enouf: I can plug in USB mouses, but I don't have any PS2 port, as the stick seems to be |
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| 00:00.25 | kingsley | enouf: Perhaps I should have elaborated that while your "!find rescan-scsi-bus.sh lenny" was delayed, so was my access to debian's bug report box. |
| 00:00.43 | enouf | [18:57:41] You're ignoring: |
| 00:00.44 | enouf | [18:57:41] *!*@unaffiliated/solidliq |
| 00:00.48 | enouf | sorry |
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| 00:00.56 | enouf | wrong window |
| 00:01.37 | Schuenemann | I connected with the router |
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| 00:02.05 | Geek`N`Proud | you okay enouf? |
| 00:02.16 | robin_sz | Hi, im trying to use keytool and jarsigner on etch, keytool seems to use the gkr style of keystore .. jarsigner doesnt seem to recognise it .. any clues? |
| 00:02.41 | enouf | Geek`N`Proud: not really |
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| 00:02.49 | enouf | could use a hug .. or more |
| 00:02.53 | Geek`N`Proud | hugs enouf |
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| 00:03.00 | mib_wo98q8 | hey all |
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| 00:03.16 | enouf | waits for more ... |
| 00:03.20 | Geek`N`Proud | haha |
| 00:03.22 | enouf | <jk> |
| 00:03.22 | robin_sz | if it goes beyond hugging, please draw the curtains ... |
| 00:03.24 | mib_wo98q8 | can anyone help me with this problem please http://tinyurl.com/d7kfx5 |
| 00:03.24 | enouf | not here |
| 00:03.56 | Geek`N`Proud | mib_wo98q8, nice :) |
| 00:04.18 | HardDisk_WP | Geek`N`Proud, I wouldn't download this one, it's a stealer |
| 00:04.21 | Geek`N`Proud | mib_wo98q8, just enable kernel debugging and send all bug reports to hans.reiser@namesys.net ;-p |
| 00:04.47 | zepard | guys any known resource about starting windowmanagers from cmdlines with display option? |
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| 00:04.57 | enouf | robin_sz: jar as in java? update-java-alternatives? |
| 00:05.10 | Geek`N`Proud | zepard, you can use the DISPLAY env variable 90% of the time |
| 00:05.10 | enouf | er.. |
| 00:05.30 | robin_sz | enouf, yes jar as in java .. |
| 00:05.34 | zepard | Geek`N`Proud: as -display optin! |
| 00:05.44 | robin_sz | i installed the sun jdk just fine ... |
| 00:05.47 | zepard | Geek`N`Proud: isn't the same? |
| 00:06.11 | enouf | xset? |
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| 00:06.29 | enouf | startx -- -:0.0 ? |
| 00:06.34 | enouf | er |
| 00:06.41 | Geek`N`Proud | zepard, yeah you can use something like -display :0 if it offers that but DISPLAY=:0 nameofwm is just as usable |
| 00:06.54 | robin_sz | enouf, whats update-java-alternatives supposed to do? |
| 00:07.25 | enouf | zepard: each WM installed should be listed under update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
| 00:07.33 | zepard | Geek`N`Proud: the option doesn't work will try those syntaxes |
| 00:07.45 | enouf | robin_sz: no idea - never touch the stuff ;-0 |
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| 00:08.30 | Geek`N`Proud | what's the dpkg option for finding out what package provides a file? |
| 00:08.40 | enouf | zepard: so, startxfce4 might be what you want with XFCE, or .. which has a manpage which can take ooptions, i would think |
| 00:08.51 | robin_sz | enouf, ok, I sussed it, i need to use the right keytool, ie the javary one |
| 00:08.56 | zepard | enouf: yes |
| 00:09.04 | enouf | Geek`N`Proud: installed or not? |
| 00:09.12 | Geek`N`Proud | installed |
| 00:09.16 | enouf | robin_sz: sweet |
| 00:09.21 | zepard | enouf: but wmaker, blackbox don't start with their respectiv -display option |
| 00:09.45 | zepard | enouf: even listed in alternatives |
| 00:09.46 | enouf | Geek`N`Proud: dpkg -S `which filename` for a binary |
| 00:10.03 | enouf | zepard: ouch |
| 00:10.04 | Geek`N`Proud | okay cool ^^ |
| 00:10.08 | Schuenemann | enouf, can you tell me how to configure it to use dhcp? |
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| 00:10.36 | enouf | zepard: put an export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; wmaker |
| 00:10.40 | robin_sz | enouf, thnaks, you are great |
| 00:10.48 | zepard | enouf: the variable is set |
| 00:10.58 | robin_sz | enouf, marry me and have my babies? |
| 00:11.08 | zepard | :) |
| 00:11.17 | enouf | Schuenemann: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 00:11.33 | enouf | robin_sz: i populate eggs ;-) |
| 00:11.40 | zepard | ok I'm going to sleep, will see this tomorrow |
| 00:11.44 | zepard | thx all |
| 00:11.48 | robin_sz | oh well, thnaks anyway |
| 00:12.11 | enouf | np |
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| 00:12.55 | Schuenemann | sorry. the router is already using dhcp. What other setting do I need after connected to the router? |
| 00:13.04 | enouf | Geek`N`Proud: install dlocate ; learn about locate and updatedb and /etc/cron.daily/* |
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| 00:13.55 | enouf | Geek`N`Proud: and see man update-dlocatedb (as a fast alternative to updatedb, and only relevant for dpkg) |
| 00:14.22 | enouf | Schuenemann: route |
| 00:14.34 | enouf | is the router set as default gw? |
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| 00:15.20 | enouf | Schuenemann: can you ping -c4 google.com ? |
| 00:15.37 | Schuenemann | no, says unknown host |
| 00:15.44 | enouf | if not you need to /msg dpkg resolv.conf |
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| 00:16.05 | enouf | well - what does output of route say? |
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| 00:16.16 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 00:16.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 00:16.53 | Schuenemann | give me a minute to copy it (I'll have to use the usb stick) |
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| 00:18.54 | Schuenemann | enouf, http://paste.debian.net/28935/ |
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| 00:19.53 | enouf | Schuenemann: looks ok |
| 00:20.00 | Schuenemann | the default line was added by me |
| 00:20.06 | Schuenemann | it's probably wrong |
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| 00:20.58 | enouf | Schuenemann: well 10.0.0.254 might be ;-) |
| 00:21.33 | enouf | Schuenemann: is that your router address as seen on the LAN? |
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| 00:22.23 | enouf | Schuenemann: and where did eth0 go? |
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| 00:22.35 | enouf | Schuenemann: ls /sys/class/net |
| 00:22.46 | HSNews | how to disable 'Computer' 'User's Home' and 'Trash' icons on desktop? |
| 00:22.47 | enouf | !tell Schuenemann -about 70 |
| 00:23.01 | [ThePro] | hey, is it possible to run a cronjob every 65 minutes using */65 ? |
| 00:23.05 | d-b | enouf: still here you machine! |
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| 00:23.24 | Schuenemann | eth0 eth1 lo |
| 00:23.25 | enouf | :-) |
| 00:23.30 | simonrvn | HSNews: gconf-editor Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor |
| 00:23.32 | Schuenemann | wait, let me see the router settings |
| 00:23.38 | HSNews | thanks! |
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| 00:24.43 | nocture | when im in console mode, no x or anything and i do apt-cache search something i get a whole list, and i will only be able to see the last part that fits the screen... any way to browse page by page? like dir /p was in windows |
| 00:24.43 | Lagaro | alright people, I've got a problem. It pertains to fsck and /lost+found and 7000 unreferenced inodes . . . |
| 00:24.47 | enouf | d-b: was that you as d-b-usb some time ago? |
| 00:25.02 | d-b | enouf: ah yeah. |
| 00:25.05 | enouf | nm |
| 00:25.06 | enouf | ok |
| 00:25.07 | d-b | off a usb stick. |
| 00:25.11 | Schuenemann | it says "default gateway: 192.168.1.25" |
| 00:25.13 | d-b | being stupid |
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| 00:25.31 | Lagaro | anyone had any expereience with lots of unreferenced inodes and a corrupted ext3 filesystem? |
| 00:25.41 | d-b | whilst trying to only install xfce and failing -> tasksel install xfce-desktop no worky (properly) |
| 00:25.53 | enouf | ... |
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| 00:26.34 | enouf | nocture: you could probably use and like /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 00:27.09 | enouf | nocture: apt-cache search <keyword> | less (apt-get install less) |
| 00:27.23 | nocture | thanks |
| 00:27.47 | nocture | exactly what i needed =) |
| 00:27.48 | enouf | nocture: as root; update-alternatives --config pager |
| 00:28.40 | nocture | <3 |
| 00:29.13 | enouf | starts to feel a bit better ;-) |
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| 00:29.40 | nocture | :) |
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| 00:30.49 | Schuenemann | enouf, this is the other machine's route: http://paste.debian.net/28936/ |
| 00:30.55 | Lagaro | so, does no one have any idea on how to put unreferenced inodes from /lost+found back into their proper places? |
| 00:31.18 | Lagaro | it got my /usr/bin, and /home directories . . . they're debian packages now . . . |
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| 00:33.27 | nsadmin | Lagaro: yes, I do: restore from your backup |
| 00:33.49 | debeee | hi, how to find/list all files contain some keywords? |
| 00:33.49 | Lagaro | nsadmin: mmm . . . works for /home/, but I never backed up /usr/bin . . . |
| 00:34.06 | nsadmin | well you could reinstall |
| 00:34.08 | Lagaro | debeee: find -name '<filename>', or use '*<filename>*' |
| 00:34.14 | debeee | find / | xargs grep "keywords" |
| 00:34.25 | nsadmin | since you have /home backed up, it shouldn't be a big problem |
| 00:34.28 | Lagaro | nsadmin: yea, I could . . . |
| 00:34.34 | debeee | that doesn't seem to do the job |
| 00:34.51 | Lagaro | nsadmin: it's a fairly old backup though, and I don't have a blank CD for a reinstall |
| 00:35.03 | Lagaro | nsadmin: "fairly old" meaning 2 weeks |
| 00:35.05 | nsadmin | do you have /home on a separate partition? |
| 00:35.15 | Lagaro | nsadmin: no, but after this I'm gonna . . . |
| 00:35.18 | enouf | Schuenemann: the other machine? |
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| 00:36.02 | Schuenemann | enouf, this one I'm using, not the notebook I'm trying to give internet access. Maybe its table helps? |
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| 00:37.23 | nsadmin | might be a good idea :) btw, glad to hear you have at least something backed up... personally I get miffed at the implied pressure put on a helper when someone comes and says "my filesystem went dead"... "backup?" "of course not, [I'm a newbie][can't afford backup hardware][can't be bothered]" |
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| 00:37.39 | debeee | ok, grep -l does the job |
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| 00:37.45 | Lagaro | nsadmin: yea, I know . . . I don't backup often, but I *do* backup |
| 00:37.46 | Polarina | Is the debian website available in other languages than English? |
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| 00:37.56 | Schuenemann | Polarina, yes |
| 00:37.59 | nsadmin | and yet not many people (1) make a backup plan or (2) actually back up |
| 00:38.15 | Lagaro | nsadmin: I backup 'round about every 2-3 months : |
| 00:38.20 | Polarina | Schuenemann: Could you direct me in the right direction? I can't seem to find them. |
| 00:38.23 | Lagaro | nsadmin: waay too infrequently |
| 00:38.37 | Schuenemann | Polarina, look in the footer |
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| 00:38.55 | Polarina | Schuenemann: I see them now, thank you. |
| 00:38.55 | Lagaro | nsadmin: well, I'll get cracking and see what I can save |
| 00:39.02 | Lagaro | nsadmin: thanks |
| 00:39.09 | nsadmin | so on this occasion you're lucky your backup is so new |
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| 00:39.14 | Lagaro | nsadmin: yep |
| 00:39.16 | enouf | Schuenemann: i thought we were setting up your wifi or somethng |
| 00:39.23 | Lagaro | nsadmin: but man, am I gonna backup more often now . . . |
| 00:39.45 | Wechner | hey, I have a problem here with the upgrade to lenny: during the process my exim4-config was not updated nor where any questions asked, it just left me with a broken config, so I've deleted my old config (I have backups) remove --purge'd all exim packages and wanted to start again, but somehow after a new installation all files in /etc/exim4/conf.d are missing only the folders are created |
| 00:39.54 | Wechner | has anyone ideas what that could be? |
| 00:40.05 | Wechner | I'm really really desperate and my mail is broken ;(( |
| 00:40.22 | nkuttler | Wechner: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 00:40.22 | Schuenemann | enouf, we are! I thought the other machine table would help realising the correct settings |
| 00:40.56 | enouf | Schuenemann: well, is the Desktop connected to the router? |
| 00:40.57 | bluequijote | someone could tell me how could I listen mms radio stream in amarok? |
| 00:41.06 | Schuenemann | enouf, yes |
| 00:41.18 | Schuenemann | enouf, not by wifi, though |
| 00:41.26 | nkuttler | Wechner: and btw, an upgrade should never touch configs without asking you. maybe reconfigure debconf or stop using --yes flags etc |
| 00:41.30 | enouf | Schuenemann: so, output of route for default gw is? |
| 00:41.50 | enouf | wait .. your router does both? |
| 00:42.00 | Schuenemann | yes |
| 00:42.10 | Wechner | nkuttler: it did not touch them, that's correct, but it didn't ask me either, it just exited with some error |
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| 00:42.14 | enouf | at same time? hrmm.. |
| 00:42.32 | Schuenemann | isn't that common? |
| 00:42.53 | enouf | i don't know, i suck at networking and wifi |
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| 00:42.55 | nkuttler | Wechner: as i said, fix that |
| 00:43.04 | Wechner | nkuttler: I will, thx! |
| 00:43.05 | Schuenemann | me too |
| 00:44.01 | enouf | Schuenemann: if i had to guess; 10.0.0.254 should likely be 10.0.0.1 |
| 00:44.28 | Schuenemann | but isn't that a different IP class? |
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| 00:44.59 | enouf | needs sleep - if nobody chimes in see ##networking |
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| 00:47.03 | Schuenemann | thanks for your help |
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| 00:47.20 | spersaud | do you have to change lenny to stable in the sources.list file ? |
| 00:47.51 | spersaud | I keep getting this error in gnome, ..... |
| 00:48.53 | themill | dpkg: tell spersaud about stable sources.list |
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| 00:49.06 | themill | spersaud: no, that is certainly *not* what you should do. |
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| 00:50.22 | spersaud | themill: can I change it back ? |
| 00:51.32 | themill | spersaud: yes, change it back to "lenny" and leave it as such until you want to change to a different release. Run "aptitude update" after changing it. |
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| 00:55.07 | jeff_47CO | I need some help troubleshooting an error. I recently upgraded my Debian install, and removed some unused (??) packages. Now apache2-mpm-prefork won't start: just says Pre-configuration failed. The error log is empty. Can someone help me coax a little more information from it?? I asked in #apache and they suggested I try here. |
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| 00:56.56 | nkuttler | jeff_47CO: set the log level to debug? |
| 00:57.20 | nijan_ | Hello all, I'm trying to set up my wireless connection for the first time. I ve alread installed the proper kernel and drivers for my card and from iwconfig it seems to be working well, but dhclient always exit with an annoying no dhcp offers; am I missing something? the router is open and no authentication is required; I do have wpasupplicant and my /etc/interfaces is just iface wlan0 inet dhcp wap-ssid wlan-ap |
| 00:57.39 | jeff_47CO | It is, that's the weird thing. |
| 00:58.12 | jeff_47CO | The last message I have is apache2 getting the sighup when I asked it to restart. |
| 00:58.20 | nkuttler | jeff_47CO: well, the #apache guys should at least tell you what pre-configuration means. did you try to wipe your config files? |
| 00:58.26 | nijan_ | from syslog no error as well |
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| 00:59.22 | jeff_47CO | no, I guess I should. |
| 01:00.10 | themill | jeff_47CO: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l '*apache*' ; apache2ctl -t" |
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| 01:00.40 | sepult | whats the default action of dpkg if it cannot locate any postinst or prerm config files in /var/lib/dpkg/info if a package is to be installed or removed or purged or reinstalled, what if i delete one of those by hand and try to remove the package with dpkg what is it supposed to do ? |
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| 01:01.07 | sepult | does it rigorously remove the package ? |
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| 01:03.07 | jeff_47CO | themill: pastebin? I assume that's a nice way so I don't flood everyone? |
| 01:03.16 | themill | !paste |
| 01:03.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:03.23 | Schuenemann | hey, why I don't have a /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 01:03.53 | jeff_47CO | nm, googled it. |
| 01:03.55 | jeff_47CO | !paste |
| 01:03.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:03.58 | jeff_47CO | ha |
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| 01:04.51 | jeff_47CO | OK, http://paste.debian.net/28937/ |
| 01:05.24 | jeff_47CO | Very useful too, that. |
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| 01:08.10 | sepult | which is the recommended tool to convert a files on a filesystem from one charset to the other ? |
| 01:08.21 | hikenboot | how do i list snapshots of a volume in lvm? |
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| 01:09.06 | themill | jeff_47CO: you don't actually have the "apache2" package installed which seems wrong. |
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| 01:09.39 | unop | sepult, there is no recommended tool, i don't think. but have a look at iconv |
| 01:09.44 | jeff_47CO | themill: doesn't apache2-mpm-prefork cover that? |
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| 01:10.46 | themill | jeff_47CO: the apache2 package only has docs in it so that shouldn't be the issue. |
| 01:10.49 | sepult | unop: thank you, i was thinkering with convert, recode or transcode but they all seem to be for something else |
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| 01:11.05 | unop | sepult, recode should work too |
| 01:11.11 | sepult | oh ok |
| 01:13.14 | jeff_47CO | themill: what does "rc" mean in that listing? should I be concerned that I have packages from woody, sarge, and lenny mixed? that seems like a potential problem. |
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| 01:14.12 | themill | jeff_47CO: that box sure has history :) rc means removed but configuration files remain. Shouldn't be the cause of your problem |
| 01:14.39 | jeff_47CO | themill: yeah, well I think housekeeping got me into this problem too! |
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| 01:15.10 | Tapout | man i wish debian had the hpn patch on ssh ... already integrated |
| 01:15.20 | themill | jeff_47CO: how did you remove what packages? was it working in between the upgrade and the housekeeping? |
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| 01:16.11 | jeff_47CO | themill: yes, it worked fine after the major upgrade. all packages were removed with aptitude, so I would think it would have warned me if I was removing something required. |
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| 01:16.40 | nijan | Hello all, I'm trying to set up my wireless connection for the first time. I ve alread installed the proper kernel and drivers for my card and from iwconfig it seems to be working well, but dhclient always exit with an annoying no dhcp offers; am I missing something? the connectio is not encrypted and no authentication is required; |
| 01:17.03 | themill | jeff_47CO: aptitude keeps logs ;) |
| 01:17.29 | jeff_47CO | themill: so reinstall until it works? |
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| 01:18.19 | themill | jeff_47CO: have a look for likely causes there, yes. I've never seen this Preconfiguration error though.... that's a new one on me |
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| 01:19.34 | jeff_47CO | themill: aha, I think I found it. gnutls |
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| 01:20.29 | jeff_47CO | I should have thought of that first: I had compiled it by hand, but replaced it with an older version from the repository. If I disable that module, apache2 starts. |
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| 01:21.14 | evilGUI | Is there somthing I could install that will email me if someone SSHs into my server without the range of my IP? |
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| 01:21.56 | suwro | hello |
| 01:22.00 | jeff_47CO | themill: related q, how can I clean up those old package remains? |
| 01:22.09 | suwro | how can I test if spamassassin works in amavisd-new ?? |
| 01:22.17 | themill | dpkg: tell jeff_47CO about purge |
| 01:22.23 | kj4 | anyone how to fix youtube in lenny? doesn't run in iceweasel or opera |
| 01:22.37 | jeff_47CO | ah, ok... probably from my early days before I new about that. |
| 01:22.47 | suwro | do I need to start spamd for amavis or amavis starts spamassassin manually on each mail ? |
| 01:23.31 | jeff_47CO | themill: thanks for your help. |
| 01:23.38 | themill | jeff_47CO: no worries. Good luck with it |
| 01:24.55 | suwro | kj4: you need flash plugin |
| 01:25.13 | kj4 | it appears to be installed |
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| 01:25.30 | dusty | Hey guys I am having some trouble getting dual monitors working with one big desktop setup. I have enabled the restricted fglrx driver, and then performed the following: aticonfig --initial=dual-head --screen-layout=left then aticonfig --dtop=horizontal --overlay-type=Xv and then restart X and it goes into X with my desktop wallpaper but nothing else happens just two monitors with the wallpaper on cant c |
| 01:25.37 | dusty | lick etc.. can anyone help me with this? |
| 01:26.37 | kj4 | suwro, any other thought? |
| 01:26.41 | kj4 | thoughts |
| 01:27.04 | dusty | anyone? |
| 01:27.04 | suwro | kj4: can you see simple flash pages? which version of flash you got? |
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| 01:27.34 | maher | is there a nice gui tool to edit my mouse button settings? |
| 01:28.35 | kj4 | suwro how do i check the flash version |
| 01:28.41 | maher | kj4: use marillat's flash |
| 01:28.50 | kj4 | maher, ok, how? |
| 01:28.55 | miksuh | maher: atleast i don't know any... |
| 01:29.03 | maher | kj4: about:plugins |
| 01:29.05 | maher | !marillat |
| 01:29.06 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze> |
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| 01:29.45 | miksuh | maher: if gnome's mouse preferences is not enough for you :) |
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| 01:30.41 | suwro | kj4: simple, open a flash page, clik right mouse button. Why do you use pure debian for desktop? |
| 01:30.52 | kj4 | i'm new to debian |
| 01:31.01 | maher | miksuh: i'm not using gnome/kde |
| 01:31.03 | kj4 | what should i use for a desktop>? |
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| 01:31.15 | miksuh | maher: ok then I can't help, sorry |
| 01:31.18 | suwro | kj4: switch to ubuntu then - it's debian for desktops - more user friendly |
| 01:31.27 | kj4 | sick of ubuntu |
| 01:31.35 | streuner | suwro: go to #ubuntu |
| 01:31.50 | streuner | and troll there |
| 01:31.58 | suwro | streuner: I use ubuntu for desktop and pure debian on servers. |
| 01:32.01 | kj4 | ubuntu is for linux illiterates |
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| 01:32.18 | miksuh | suwro: bullshit |
| 01:32.22 | streuner | using Debian for Desktop and server |
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| 01:32.31 | beardy | It all ends now. |
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| 01:33.52 | egn | hi, say I installed apache2, apt-get --purge removed apache2... then rm -rf /etc/apache2... how can I apt-get apache2 and tell it to re-create /etc/apache2 |
| 01:34.08 | themill | dpkg: tell egn about confmiss |
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| 01:34.12 | suwro | kj4: I am a developer, I don't have time to setup my desktop, all the time I had problems on Debian Desktop. It's my oppinion, after years of fixing desktops in debian. Now I click on a tool and it's set up. Maybe I got lausy - but I do more develop than fixing desktops inadequate problems. |
| 01:34.13 | beardy | egn: Use aptitude. |
| 01:34.15 | themill | egn: you need the apache2.2-common package |
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| 01:34.19 | beardy | !win themill |
| 01:34.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:34.27 | themill | oh yay |
| 01:34.41 | maher | egn: man aptitude look for the --*missing-congig* option |
| 01:35.06 | kj4 | suwro, i'm an aspiring adminstrator, i'm trying to learn more about linux. i dont' mind fixing things from time to time, that's what administrators do |
| 01:35.37 | suwro | kj4: you-re right - good luck on fixing gnome or kde |
| 01:35.42 | egn | maher: beardy: themill: thanks |
| 01:35.57 | jerrypozer | I just did a aptitude full-upgrade from etch -> lenny .. is there a way to rerun the full debian configuration as if this was a new install ? |
| 01:35.58 | kj4 | suwro, i dont run eeither, XFCE atm |
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| 01:36.04 | suwro | kj4: if you think that will help you "keep your server up" then you-re wrong! |
| 01:36.16 | kj4 | oh my |
| 01:36.23 | miksuh | suwro: interesting. i'm a developer and I like to work with my computer. I don't want to fight with brokn apps and syste, That's why I use Debian, not ubuntu. I wont system which works reliably. And yes, i have used Debian stable on desktop since 1998 and I have been wery happy with it. |
| 01:36.53 | miksuh | I don't want to waste my time on fighting with latest most buggy versions of sioftware like in ubuntu |
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| 01:37.34 | kj4 | suwro, different strokes, as they say. i do appreciate your help and advice, but i'm coming FROM ubuntu, not going to it |
| 01:37.35 | beardy | You both can run whatever you like, here the topic is Debian. |
| 01:37.37 | suwro | miksuh: I own dells laptops - trust me when I tell you - I am sick fighting with atm and booting with lots of params in debian Just to install it - when in Ubuntu works from the box. |
| 01:37.46 | miksuh | damn how bad english i did write :) I always make most typos when I try to write too fast :) |
| 01:38.15 | streuner | suwro: you are in the wrong channel atm |
| 01:38.41 | miksuh | suwro: well then it's problem on your laptop. And WTF`Whjat params you ned to give debian you boot? what are you talking about? |
| 01:38.44 | kj4 | beardy, good point. nobody in a debian channel should be advising people to run ubuntu, unless they are just assuming they are not competent enough to install/tweak/fix anything |
| 01:38.45 | streuner | suwro: we support Debian |
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| 01:39.05 | WX_0 | I setup the proprietary nVidia driver (Compiled w/kernel) and sound no longer works on my local user account (It is still accessible on the root account, I tested a few applications utilizing sound on the root account and they did work) - could that just be a problem w/permissions? |
| 01:39.05 | suwro | kj4: ok - then good luck struggling with desktop in debian - I like debian don't missunderstand me - I have 8 servers with it - but for desktop you have a lot to do just to run simple tasks |
| 01:39.05 | miksuh | suwro: I run Debian lenny on my laptop, desktop pc and server and no problems at all |
| 01:39.15 | suwro | miksuh: language pls. |
| 01:39.26 | miksuh | what language? |
| 01:39.47 | miksuh | what do you mean |
| 01:39.50 | suwro | miksuh: ok - is your hibernation and suspend working? |
| 01:39.59 | miksuh | yes it is |
| 01:40.00 | suwro | miksuh: from the box? |
| 01:40.06 | Ace2017-_ | hi all |
| 01:40.06 | miksuh | yes |
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| 01:41.15 | suwro | miksuh: and your fonts are nice and smoothed subpixeled. |
| 01:41.32 | suwro | miksuh: and your sound works perfectly |
| 01:41.34 | miksuh | suwro: I think these look just fine |
| 01:41.44 | miksuh | yes sound works whitout problems |
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| 01:41.56 | miksuh | I have no problem with sound at all |
| 01:42.05 | miksuh | puulseaudio works wery well too |
| 01:42.14 | suwro | miksuh: also your-e gimp and inkscape or open-office does not crash. |
| 01:42.18 | miksuh | over lan |
| 01:42.19 | suwro | miksuh: c'mon |
| 01:42.34 | miksuh | suwro: no those do not crash |
| 01:42.45 | icebrain | suwro: I'm also using Debian in my laptop and I have no problems |
| 01:42.57 | streuner | hm, what kind of idiot are you you or are you just a troll? :-) |
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| 01:43.09 | hikenboot | yo |
| 01:43.16 | beardy | yoyo |
| 01:43.47 | suwro | well then all you-re desktop users are luky - I just got sick to fix them. and look over the fence to Ubuntu or Redhat, at they're "No Problem" and "ease to use" |
| 01:44.04 | suwro | I choosed ubuntu coz it's still debian. |
| 01:44.06 | WX_0 | suwro: All problems I've had have been induced onto myself |
| 01:44.07 | icebrain | suwro: Easy != stable |
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| 01:44.21 | Ace2017-_ | how can i show the updates to a file in a terminal window? and have it cat the new lines added to the build.log? i tried $watch -n1 "grep 'building' build.log"; but it shows the start of the file only :( |
| 01:44.22 | WX_0 | suwro: I wouldn't rage about this in #debian |
| 01:44.28 | streuner | hm |
| 01:44.28 | nsadmin | suwro: it's not debian... |
| 01:44.45 | beardy | No, it isn't. Just drop it this now. |
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| 01:45.02 | miksuh | suwro: ubuntu is based on debian unstale, which does have a lot more bugs than stable which eg. I anm using |
| 01:45.10 | nsadmin | suwro: you're welcome to your choice |
| 01:45.11 | miksuh | so Ubuntu is much more buggy than debian |
| 01:45.13 | suwro | icebrain: man - i devel php and flex - I really don't have time to trigger font configure, fix sound problems, fix ndiswrapper wlan etc. That's why I didn't use windows in my last past 7 years. |
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| 01:45.41 | miksuh | typofix: ubuntu is based on debian unstable |
| 01:45.48 | miksuh | damn |
| 01:45.50 | nsadmin | is it still? |
| 01:45.51 | miksuh | unstable |
| 01:46.06 | miksuh | msaizar__: yes it is |
| 01:46.11 | icebrain | suwro: I don't use Windows either, but I haven't had any problems with neither Debian stable or testing |
| 01:46.16 | miksuh | nsadmin: yes it is |
| 01:46.23 | suwro | WX_0: where to rage then? The Debian TEAM admit that it's not DESKTOP READY like other distro, and they dont inted to make it in the next year neither. |
| 01:46.35 | nsadmin | so they still take sid and work on it for like 6 months? |
| 01:46.36 | suwro | icebrain: I had! :) |
| 01:46.37 | icebrain | suwro: have they? when? |
| 01:46.44 | nsadmin | one thing they don't do that with is kernels |
| 01:46.46 | miksuh | suwro: that's bullshit |
| 01:46.52 | nsadmin | they are building their own |
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| 01:46.58 | miksuh | suwro: nad a lie |
| 01:47.03 | miksuh | suwro: and a lie |
| 01:47.06 | miksuh | damn typos |
| 01:47.09 | suwro | ok, let's see |
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| 01:47.15 | Ace2017-_ | ok i found this works, but i would like a better solution if possible: tail -n 1000000000000 1 -f build.log|grep 'uilding' |
| 01:47.30 | icebrain | suwro: well, I had problems with Ubuntu, it installed the wrong video drivers and it wouldn't load Xorg, had to manually edit xorg.conf |
| 01:47.32 | nsadmin | suwro: just a moment... |
| 01:47.34 | suwro | what's the latest gnome stable version? |
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| 01:47.45 | nsadmin | you've already been asded to drop this |
| 01:48.01 | miksuh | suwro: 2.24, but so what? |
| 01:48.12 | streuner | beardy and nsadmin are right, this is getting really boring... |
| 01:48.14 | miksuh | lenny has 2.22 which is wery good |
| 01:48.19 | suwro | icebrain: that happens on other distro too - either on lenny if you know. it is not a Ubuntu/Debian/Suse/Slack whatever problem. |
| 01:48.37 | miksuh | suwro: you don't seem to undertsand that not all what to use latrest unteswted buggy versions |
| 01:48.38 | nsadmin | I personally don't care if you do or if you don't (maybe that's because I'm not involved in a discussion right now), but you could be taking space reserved for help conversations |
| 01:48.38 | suwro | miksuh: what's the latest lenny gnome package? |
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| 01:48.52 | miksuh | suwro: lenny has gnome 2.22 |
| 01:49.05 | suwro | miksuh: if the gnome developers declared it stable, why not? |
| 01:49.08 | icebrain | suwro: no, 'cause Debian installed the vesa drivers, which are safer and more reliable, although less feature full |
| 01:49.22 | miksuh | suwro: it does not mean it's ready |
| 01:49.33 | suwro | icebrain: ok - no comment - I tould you it's not a distro problem. |
| 01:49.37 | miksuh | or bug free enough |
| 01:50.11 | miksuh | suwro: if you really would be a developer as you claim you would understand that sopftware testing is important |
| 01:50.15 | miksuh | and testing takes time |
| 01:50.18 | nsadmin | suwro: why not try to build gnome of the latest version yourself... and then make it work with lenny |
| 01:50.19 | icebrain | suwro: it was! Debian installed vesa and it worked, Ubuntu installed the "ati" and it failed! |
| 01:50.24 | kj4 | i have caused textual assault in the debian channel, my apologies |
| 01:50.26 | nsadmin | make sure it works, test it fully |
| 01:50.29 | suwro | miksuh: do you realise what you just sayd? IT IS NOT READY - when it's stable? It's ready on that stage, the developer declared it stable. Debian will embrace it in 1 year only. |
| 01:50.36 | nsadmin | when you're done, what year will it be? |
| 01:50.40 | suwro | icebrain: ok. |
| 01:50.45 | Hydroxide | miksuh: if testing takes time, doesn't it make sense to not use the newest version in a stable release? |
| 01:50.58 | Hydroxide | miksuh: debian's gnome packages go through a rigorous QA process like the rest of Debian |
| 01:51.09 | suwro | nsadmin: coz I tould you - I don't have time all day long to play with configuring and installing things. |
| 01:51.28 | suwro | nsadmin: i need my tools and they need to work. |
| 01:51.31 | miksuh | Hydroxide: it makes sence to use eg. 2.22 and not 2.24 |
| 01:51.44 | Hydroxide | miksuh: we don't promise that it's bug free, but we do get rid of the serious bugs that would make it unworthy for release, and we do fix security problems regardless of whether gnome is still supporting it |
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| 01:51.48 | Hydroxide | miksuh: which is what lenny does |
| 01:51.48 | nsadmin | suwro: so why are you now alienating the devs that could deliver it to you faster if you don't bug em? |
| 01:52.24 | miksuh | Hydroxide: I know that, and i don't understand why you say that to me |
| 01:52.34 | miksuh | say it to suwro |
| 01:52.41 | suwro | nsadmin: the whole thing came from DESKTOP usage. I already tould you all that I am using debian on servers, for Desktop I see it very poorly. |
| 01:52.53 | ianw | is now away: Who poop rast! You want crazy millon dollra! WHO POOP RAST! -Robot Chicken |
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| 01:53.07 | nsadmin | suwro: ahh, so these things are how you see it? |
| 01:53.15 | stoned | uhm |
| 01:53.21 | stoned | ianw, cut that out |
| 01:53.27 | stoned | !tell ianw -about away |
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| 01:53.55 | suwro | but hey - stuberness is a bless - I was like you in my last 20 Years! :) waiting for linux to have a "Decent" desktop. |
| 01:54.01 | chucho | hola |
| 01:54.14 | nsadmin | suwro: ahh, so these things are how you see it? |
| 01:54.22 | suwro | btw - I am 45 Yr old. and using linux since 1995 |
| 01:54.32 | Hydroxide | suwro: if you don't want to use Debian on the desktop, that's fine. it works great for other people. the point of this channel is to help people use debian. it's not to have long extended flamewars about what's the right version of linux to use |
| 01:55.03 | miksuh | suwro: I have been using debian since 1998 |
| 01:55.12 | miksuh | and always stable on desktop |
| 01:55.17 | suwro | Hydroxide: ok - the man sayd that it's new in linux, Debian is not quite friendly wiht newbies. admit it! |
| 01:55.19 | kj4 | is there a metapackage i can pull in from debian-mulitmedia? |
| 01:55.31 | kj4 | so that lots of codecs will be installed |
| 01:55.37 | nsadmin | suwro: that would be trolling by its definition |
| 01:55.45 | Guerin | kj4: w32codecs |
| 01:55.49 | suwro | it's my oppinion. |
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| 01:55.58 | miksuh | suwro: why should anyone admit that? |
| 01:56.01 | Guerin | suwro: it's friendly. It's just picky about who its friends are. |
| 01:56.03 | Hydroxide | suwro: I think that's out of date relative to the current version of debian. anyway, this is not the place to try to get people to not use debian |
| 01:56.15 | suwro | Guerin: you-re right! :) |
| 01:56.16 | beardy | kj4: What Guerin said, in /msg dpkg debian multimedia |
| 01:56.19 | nsadmin | and you're trying to gain specific responses in your expression thereof... |
| 01:56.22 | miksuh | suwro: even my 50+ year old mother has used Debian almost 2 years now whitout any problems |
| 01:56.27 | nsadmin | that's trolling by definition |
| 01:56.30 | Hydroxide | suwro: people come here because they want to use debian or want information about debian |
| 01:56.32 | miksuh | and she knows nothing about computers |
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| 01:56.51 | miksuh | sure I did help her to start, but she's done just fine |
| 01:56.58 | icebrain | suwro: I agree that Debian is not as easy to start using to noobs. But I don't think that's a defect, just a characteristic. Different distros have different target users |
| 01:57.06 | Guerin | miksuh: mine since 2005 |
| 01:57.10 | miksuh | she lives 120km away from where i live so I can't always go ther to help |
| 01:57.21 | suwro | miksuh: aha - and she installed all the programs she needed, configure it and then uninstall it - when she realise there's another program better and does not need this any more! |
| 01:57.28 | kj4 | !dmm lenny |
| 01:57.29 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 01:57.53 | miksuh | suwro: synptic is easy to use |
| 01:57.53 | kj4 | bbl thanks all |
| 01:57.54 | zinx | wonders if he should poke an oper |
| 01:58.05 | miksuh | and by the way, lenny has Add/remove Applications tool too |
| 01:58.08 | Hydroxide | zinx: I'm already paying attention :) |
| 01:58.15 | nsadmin | suwro: more trolling, you're taking up space that should be used by help conversations |
| 01:58.17 | miksuh | it's the same tool which is in ubuntu |
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| 01:58.36 | suwro | miksuh: ok, no comment - your mom is smarter than my mom - all the time called me to do something on she's computer. |
| 01:58.36 | Hydroxide | suwro: please drop this - it's clearly stopped the flow of debian support conversation |
| 01:58.42 | Hydroxide | miksuh: and please stop encouraging him |
| 01:58.44 | app4des | icebrain: Actually debian is very easy to use, but still because of the outdated packages it is not good even for linux veterans that want to use debian as desktop. |
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| 01:59.22 | suwro | Hydroxide: since when a finger pointed to debian slow movemend became such a problem? |
| 01:59.31 | icebrain | app4des: I don't find the installer as dumbed down as Ubuntu's. Thankfully :P |
| 01:59.36 | Hydroxide | app4des: it's not as outdated as you might think nowadays. it got that reputation when sarge took almost three years to release |
| 01:59.42 | nsadmin | suwro: you have a solution you like in ubuntu. therefore you have no reason to try to stir things up here, which is just what you're doing |
| 02:00.03 | Hydroxide | suwro: since it dominated the channel to the extent of preventing support issues from being discussed here. |
| 02:00.06 | gparent | icebrain- Dumbed down installers are perfect for the average user, though, I'm sure that's what they're aiming fun. |
| 02:00.06 | app4des | icebrain: the installer is easier than even the windows xp installer, I don't know what you are talking about |
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| 02:00.27 | Hydroxide | suwro: you can stay here - the +b will go away in 10 minutes |
| 02:00.52 | app4des | Hydroxide: it is outdated, even if you only use unstable you are well behind much needed desktop functionality |
| 02:00.56 | Hydroxide | suwro: just stop with hammering this point home to the exclusion of every other conversation. |
| 02:01.16 | Hydroxide | app4des: hasn't been true for years. if you want to say that, please give specific and recent examples |
| 02:01.41 | nsadmin | app4des: old software isn't bad software... |
| 02:01.52 | nsadmin | example: I still use typist |
| 02:02.03 | icebrain | app4des: hmm, I don't recall it being to simple, but I didn't actually use it to the end, as I prefer netinstall. Besides, if I recall correctly it was still Sarge, maybe it evolved since? |
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| 02:02.20 | app4des | Yes but the desktop segmnent progresses fast, you need to adapt, and debian doesnt do that |
| 02:02.33 | beardy | !sns |
| 02:02.33 | dpkg | well, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 02:02.48 | nsadmin | why do you need to adapt? just keep using what you have |
| 02:03.11 | nsadmin | if you really do -need- something that's newer, you can always build it |
| 02:03.21 | gparent | It's not about need. |
| 02:03.22 | FirstSgt | I have a usb free agent drive that I am trying to mount, and use as a file-server |
| 02:03.34 | app4des | nsadmin: I don't understand, why NOT adapt? |
| 02:03.38 | FirstSgt | i typed mount, and do not see it mounted |
| 02:03.46 | app4des | nsadmin: you have to adapt to key your job done |
| 02:03.53 | beardy | FirstSgt: That is because you haven't mounted it yet probably. |
| 02:03.57 | FirstSgt | where can i find this drive? and how can I auto mount it on boot. |
| 02:04.02 | app4des | nsadmin: to get* |
| 02:04.03 | miksuh | Anyone should use what they want. But I don't like people who eg. use ubuntu and then come to debian channel to troll and say how bad debian is on desktop |
| 02:04.13 | beardy | !fstab |
| 02:04.13 | dpkg | methinks fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 02:04.20 | FirstSgt | beardy: i understand the schemas of /dev/sda[0=9] and /dev/hda[0-9] |
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| 02:04.38 | FirstSgt | but I am not familiar with using usb drives on a linux os |
| 02:04.40 | beardy | FirstSgt: Let me have a look if there's a suitable factoid. |
| 02:04.43 | streuner | miksuh, we realised that now, calm down |
| 02:04.46 | nsadmin | app4des: let's talk about this more in about 20 mins... right now, let's let help conversations take more space |
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| 02:05.23 | beardy | !usbstorage |
| 02:05.24 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 02:05.24 | nsadmin | (you do what you want; I |
| 02:05.33 | nsadmin | m not trying to tell you what to do) |
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| 02:05.54 | nsadmin | but I am suggesting and maybe even requesting |
| 02:05.54 | FirstSgt | beardy: thank you |
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| 02:06.25 | beardy | FirstSgt: Well.. the modules might already be loaded. What you can do it, unplug it, plug it in, and run 'dmesg', you should see the device it is using then. |
| 02:07.14 | beardy | FirstSgt: The mounting above is if you use fat32/vfat as filesystem on it, which you wont if you only will use it in Debian. |
| 02:07.53 | FirstSgt | I do see it on proc/partitions... sbin is to superuser binaries as proc is to ___________ ? |
| 02:07.55 | miksuh | streuner: yeah, I think I'll start NetBeans and do some J2ME coding now anyway :) |
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| 02:08.45 | miksuh | it's 4am here, but I can sleep later :) |
| 02:08.47 | beardy | FirstSgt: I don't know what you mean with that. /proc is the interface to the kernels memory, information that the kernel provides. |
| 02:08.50 | beardy | !proc |
| 02:08.50 | dpkg | from memory, proc is on Unix-like computer systems, procfs is short for process filesystem: a pseudo-filesystem which is used to access kernel information about processes. Because /proc is not a real file system, it does not consume any storage space, and it consumes only a limited amount of memory. The filesystem is often mounted at /proc. It is supported under Solaris, BSD and Linux, and the latter also extends it to non-process-related data. |
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| 02:09.48 | FirstSgt | so is there a suggested mount point for a usb drive that will be used as a samba file server |
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| 02:10.38 | beardy | FirstSgt: /mnt/sambastorage perhaps? A directory of your naming under /mnt anyway. |
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| 02:11.09 | orion_X11 | how do I connect my laptop to my pc to get internet access. I remember that once I solved this with ip forward, but I forgot the command line |
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| 02:11.35 | FirstSgt | okay. I do see the free agent under 'computer' in gnome. but it says 'invalid option' when trying to mount via gui |
| 02:12.54 | FirstSgt | !startup |
| 02:12.54 | dpkg | i guess init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel> |
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| 02:13.02 | beardy | FirstSgt: You'd be better off learning to do things using a terminal. |
| 02:13.13 | beardy | !tell FirstSgt about automount |
| 02:13.58 | evilGUI | I'm running a blog off of a Debian server I setup, heres what I've done so far, changed default SSH port, enabled pub key auth, disabled root SSH logins, installed denyhosts. |
| 02:14.17 | evilGUI | For the webserver I'm using the default lighttpd install. |
| 02:14.23 | evilGUI | How secure am I? |
| 02:14.30 | beardy | !tell FirstSgt about gnome-volume-manager |
| 02:14.38 | beardy | FirstSgt: Perhaps that is what you want. |
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| 02:15.03 | FirstSgt | i will take your advise and do thinks via command prompt, my fav editor is vim |
| 02:15.21 | FirstSgt | i just wrote my first bash script that uses rsync to backup mysql |
| 02:15.30 | evilGUI | Is there anything else I should do? |
| 02:16.02 | evilGUI | oh and I also complied ufw and enabled it. |
| 02:16.21 | beardy | evilGUI: One can not answer that really. Depends very much on what you run on your webserver. |
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| 02:16.51 | evilGUI | beardy: Just wordpress with no addons. |
| 02:17.11 | beardy | evilGUI: Changing port does not add security, but it will stop many bruteforce attempts, just be aware of that. |
| 02:17.36 | evilGUI | beardy: I always keep everything up to date, and I did deny all IPs but my own for /wp-admin for wordpress. |
| 02:17.57 | evilGUI | beardy: I know, I also enabled pub key auth. |
| 02:18.11 | beardy | evilGUI: Not familliar with denyhosts, does it use iptables, a frontend or something? |
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| 02:19.13 | FirstSgt | evilGUI: wordpress, yuck |
| 02:19.15 | evilGUI | beardy: It adds the IPs to /etc/hosts.deny |
| 02:19.35 | beardy | evilGUI: What you also want anyway is a well maintained iptables filter. I like the frontend firehol. |
| 02:19.43 | Malf | I think I'm just having a 'searching the internet failure' but how do I get my machine to automatically umount/eject cds/dvds when I press the physical button to open the drive?\ |
| 02:19.53 | evilGUI | beardy: I was wondering if it worked with public key authentication. |
| 02:20.18 | suwro | "I wish debian would move quicker with desktop improvements" |
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| 02:20.23 | evilGUI | beardy: I'm using ufw which seems to work well, only downside is I have to recompile each version. |
| 02:20.32 | jpinx | I've just installed a gmailfs and I need to know where it's located so that I can refer to it in mount command. How do i find it? |
| 02:20.34 | beardy | evilGUI: I see. |
| 02:21.23 | evilGUI | I should just break down and learn iptables. |
| 02:22.02 | beardy | evilGUI: Yes, but it's better to use a good frontend instead of writing your own iptables and do it poorly.. so if so, learn it fully. |
| 02:22.29 | evilGUI | beardy: alright. |
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| 02:23.44 | suwro | evilGUI: better learn iptables on your own machine - You don't want iptables -P INPUT DROP and iptables -F then - remotelly - trust me! :) |
| 02:24.07 | evilGUI | suwro: heh |
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| 02:24.36 | beardy | evilGUI: If you want to go on, you can also do your logging to another machine, you could install a file alteration checker, like tripwire or simillar. Needs quite a bit of configuration though, iirc. |
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| 02:25.26 | beardy | evilGUI: Backup often and make sure they are restorable. |
| 02:25.28 | evilGUI | beardy: Is there anything that would email me? |
| 02:25.46 | beardy | evilGUI: The logs? Or tripwire and such things? |
| 02:26.20 | evilGUI | beardy: I do, but it's not the end of the world if this thing dies it's just my blog. |
| 02:26.34 | FirstSgt | if i've mounted a drive read only, how do i change to rw ? |
| 02:26.35 | beardy | evilGUI: Many log analyzing tools can do that yes, mail you reports based on search criteria of your choice and so on. |
| 02:26.49 | FirstSgt | there is no umount :P |
| 02:26.52 | beardy | evilGUI: Yep, just answering "is it something more I can do". :) |
| 02:27.09 | FirstSgt | nvm, :P |
| 02:27.09 | FirstSgt | :D |
| 02:27.23 | evilGUI | beardy: Thanks for your help. |
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| 02:28.31 | beardy | evilGUI: You're welcome. You seem to have a good attitude towards security, a large part of it all is that, to be aware and constantly work towards it. |
| 02:28.31 | thasp | when I get this in my dmesg and my wireless connection disconnects every 2 hours , what should I do? http://pastebin.com/m16d7ed69 |
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| 02:29.13 | thasp | I type ifdown wlan0 and ifup wlan0 and it's back up, iwconfig shows a 38 SNR which is more than enough to stay connected |
| 02:29.39 | thasp | I am using the ath5k driver from 2.6.28.4 |
| 02:29.50 | nsadmin | thasp: find out why it's happening |
| 02:30.00 | thasp | nsadmin: I believe that is why I am here |
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| 02:30.23 | batcoder-7 | how can i give my user write permisions for a memory stick ? |
| 02:30.32 | beardy | !mountrw |
| 02:30.33 | batcoder-7 | it can read but writes wont go |
| 02:30.39 | batcoder-7 | huh? |
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| 02:30.47 | FirstSgt | i dont get it... i cant mount the drive with -o rw |
| 02:30.53 | FirstSgt | or with -w |
| 02:31.20 | batcoder-7 | if anyone has any suggestions let me know. |
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| 02:33.26 | beardy | batcoder-7: What filesystem is on it? |
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| 02:36.57 | dureyes | I would like to remove all the plugins on iceweasel that comes preinstalled on debian 5.0, is there a single command to that? |
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| 02:38.14 | FirstSgt | ntfs file system i believe |
| 02:38.21 | FirstSgt | i can't even get access to cd into it |
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| 02:39.16 | FirstSgt | i even unmounted it, added cheney account to sudoers with visudo, mounted it with cheney, changed the owner to cheney, and i still get permission denied when trying to enter into it. |
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| 02:41.30 | jerrypozer | how do I search within the description of pkgs in aptitude ? |
| 02:41.32 | linuxguy | !seen craigevil |
| 02:41.32 | dpkg | craigevil is currently on #debian (2h 21m 56s), last said: '!downgrade'. |
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| 02:41.40 | Malf | Does anyone know how to automatically umount/eject cds/dvds when the physical button on the drive is pressed? |
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| 02:42.37 | linuxguy | Malf......do you mean if it doesnt work? |
| 02:43.26 | linuxguy | craigevil, are you in that smokers room? |
| 02:44.35 | Malf | linuxguy: I mean if I press the button right now it won't eject because the drive automatically mounted when I put in a disc. I would prefer that pressing the button automatically unmounts and ejects rather than quietly doing nothing |
| 02:44.39 | linuxguy | Malf, that last message i posted was for you |
| 02:46.10 | linuxguy | Malf, ah i see.......if you look on the monitor screen you should see an icon saying whatever is in the drive, right clicking on this will give you options to unmount and eject the cd :) |
| 02:46.19 | kaarlo` | gn8 |
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| 02:46.56 | Malf | linuxguy: *nod* I am just trying to find out if there's a way to make the physical button do the same thing |
| 02:47.39 | linuxguy | Malf thats the only way i know.....the only other I know is with a pin |
| 02:47.45 | Malf | ahah |
| 02:47.45 | Malf | true |
| 02:47.48 | miksuh | Malf: the physical button should work, except if some application is using the cd, then it might not open |
| 02:48.01 | miksuh | atlleast it works in my computer |
| 02:48.07 | Malf | *nod* |
| 02:48.10 | Malf | no luck on my end |
| 02:48.16 | JohnWittle | So I installed Debian without a DE on my Macbook Pro, and the apple firmware is interfering with GRUB. What are my options? |
| 02:48.32 | Malf | I have a feeling I have an old config setting laying around from back when I first installed or something but I don't really know |
| 02:48.41 | miksuh | Malf: but I recommend to use mouse and select eject anyway :) |
| 02:48.58 | Malf | yeah it's mainly that the wife will be using my machine for a week or two |
| 02:49.03 | Malf | and she might get confused by things like that |
| 02:49.19 | Afroman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.26 | JohnWittle | (willing to drop $5 in the paypal of anyone who can get debian working on my macbook pro) |
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| 02:51.54 | JohnWittle | wow |
| 02:51.55 | JohnWittle | lol |
| 02:51.57 | JohnWittle | i'm stunned |
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| 02:52.24 | JohnWittle | 871 people, no takers? |
| 02:52.27 | stoned | uhm |
| 02:52.48 | Afroman | I FUCKED THIS HOOKER IN IOWA |
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| 02:52.53 | stoned | that really makes me want to help you |
| 02:52.56 | stoned | Afroman, stop |
| 02:53.21 | JohnWittle | I installed and everything went fine, and now apple's bootloader-ish-thing claims there are no operating systems |
| 02:53.30 | stoned | JohnWittle, you're an impatient little man |
| 02:53.38 | JohnWittle | I am :( |
| 02:53.40 | linuxguy | Afroman, yes stop, this is debian support channel |
| 02:54.00 | Afroman | support channel huh? |
| 02:54.05 | jontyw | Hey, does anyone know if debian lenny contains blktap support? I want to use tap:aio, but it seems to be failing. Despite that, debian contains the xenblktap module, so it seems to have some support. Is it just somewhat tricky to configure? |
| 02:54.16 | Afroman | have any "manly support" for me? i lost my jockstrap |
| 02:54.21 | beardy | !ops Afroman |
| 02:54.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: beardy complains about: Afroman |
| 02:54.24 | stoned | Afroman, just because you don't see anyone opped doesn't mean you won't get booted if you continue |
| 02:54.26 | jontyw | (This is with regards to xen on debian, I should have said) |
| 02:54.56 | miksuh | Afroman: do you know what debian is :) |
| 02:55.01 | stoned | stop |
| 02:55.02 | Afroman | nope |
| 02:55.08 | miksuh | lol |
| 02:55.08 | beardy | Stop feeding it. |
| 02:55.25 | JohnWittle | stoned, were you being sarcastic? :D |
| 02:55.26 | stoned | even if he wassn't going to continue, you're incessant nagging may put him off and turn him into even more of a prick |
| 02:55.39 | stoned | we don't need 10 people telling him to stop |
| 02:55.43 | Afroman | i was done a while back lol |
| 02:55.43 | stoned | he was told, I'm sure hes not blind. |
| 02:55.45 | stoned | cut it out |
| 02:55.51 | stoned | JohnWittle, yes, playfully though ;) |
| 02:55.57 | JohnWittle | oh |
| 02:56.11 | JohnWittle | Well the thing is, I can't tell if it is a problem with debian, a problem with grub, or a problem with apple |
| 02:56.18 | JohnWittle | or a problem with the person inbetween the keyboard and the chair |
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| 02:56.23 | stoned | are you running debian ppc? |
| 02:56.31 | JohnWittle | no, the macbook pro is intel based |
| 02:56.35 | stoned | I see |
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| 02:56.40 | Afroman | can i sing about being high? |
| 02:56.48 | stoned | Afroman, #debian-chat |
| 02:56.56 | stoned | feel free to jump up and down naked in there |
| 02:56.58 | Afroman | nou |
| 02:57.01 | stoned | please keep it on topic in #debian |
| 02:57.09 | Afroman | i like to roll joints |
| 02:57.35 | JohnWittle | Afroman, why would you ever prefer joints over pipes? sure they taste a bit better but you lose all that smoke while it burns |
| 02:57.37 | JohnWittle | I mean |
| 02:57.45 | stoned | JohnWittle, fucking stop. |
| 02:57.47 | JohnWittle | Sorry :( |
| 02:57.55 | Afroman | cause i'm afroman from east palmdale. |
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| 02:58.11 | linuxguy | an op will be here soon :) |
| 02:58.18 | Afroman | k. |
| 02:58.26 | felix__ | Hi, i m trying to setup distcc. the problem is that i ve got a lot of segmentation faults while doing jobs for the client. the debian gcc version is 4.3.2 , client gentoo gcc version is 4.3.2 p1.2 . |
| 02:58.27 | stoned | ops are here now |
| 02:58.36 | Afroman | good4u |
| 02:58.36 | stoned | they are patient and lenient, don't take advantage of that |
| 02:58.37 | JohnWittle | In any case, I took this to ##apple but they yelled at me for using what they consider an inferior unix operating system |
| 02:58.43 | Afroman | one time i chocked on weed |
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| 02:59.00 | stoned | JohnWittle, I'm not sure how helpful #debian-boot can be |
| 02:59.05 | stoned | JohnWittle, try there on irc.debian.org |
| 02:59.07 | nsadmin | felix__ and the reason you're building this is? |
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| 03:00.10 | Queef | . |
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| 03:00.26 | stoned | ahh yes |
| 03:00.31 | stoned | its sunday in europe already |
| 03:00.33 | stoned | !sunday |
| 03:00.33 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:01.21 | felix__ | nsadmin: my client is a netbook and i d like to have gentoo on it |
| 03:01.35 | miksuh | stoned: heh yeah, people come back from the bar :) |
| 03:01.37 | afroman | Yes! Yes! Thank you for inviting me here for my final speech. |
| 03:01.37 | afroman | Ladies and gentlemen, homosexuals, lesbians, and transvestites, |
| 03:01.37 | afroman | allow me to introduce myself as the Hungry Hustler, Afroman. |
| 03:01.37 | afroman | I am the American Dream. Even though the government tried to experiment with me |
| 03:01.37 | afroman | by placing me in the projects, I'm still the American Dream. |
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| 03:01.51 | Guerin | afroman: stop being such a fuckwit |
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| 03:01.56 | liable | groan |
| 03:02.05 | felix__ | nsadmin: oh the server is 64 bit while the client is 32, is this handled by distcc? |
| 03:02.07 | d-b | kick ? |
| 03:02.28 | stoned | really man, get a life |
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| 03:02.53 | avu | felix__, no, distcc doesn't magically turn your compiler into a cross-compiler |
| 03:02.59 | stoned | is this your only form of entertainment on a saturday night; to be a fuckwit on irc and be disruptive in a support channel preventing others from getting support? |
| 03:03.09 | stoned | is this what you really want to do tonight? |
| 03:03.10 | beardy | He left, so.. |
| 03:03.12 | nsadmin | that woudl be feeding him |
| 03:03.20 | stoned | rhetorical! |
| 03:03.20 | miksuh | "American dream..." Atöeast now I'm happy I'm from europe :) |
| 03:03.26 | miksuh | atleast |
| 03:03.28 | felix__ | avu: thanks, trying to fix that |
| 03:03.32 | stoned | note: I didn't append his nicnkakme |
| 03:03.37 | stoned | I'm not an idiot man |
| 03:03.48 | stoned | if nick is no longer completed by tab, then they left |
| 03:03.49 | beardy | Really. |
| 03:03.52 | stoned | yes |
| 03:03.53 | stoned | really ;) |
| 03:03.58 | stoned | I used to be an idiot but then I got better |
| 03:04.04 | stoned | I took some medicine for it |
| 03:04.04 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:04.07 | jsubl2 | JohnWittle: i found a web page that may help. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation |
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| 03:04.50 | thasp | nsadmin i fixed my problem(so far), I rmmod'd ath5k and used madwifi |
| 03:04.57 | jsubl2 | JohnWittle: it is a link from http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro |
| 03:05.15 | nsadmin | thasp: ath5k doesn't work for your card? |
| 03:05.22 | JohnWittle | jsubl2, thank you |
| 03:05.49 | jsubl2 | JohnWittle: yw. good luck |
| 03:06.31 | JohnWittle | oh |
| 03:06.40 | JohnWittle | why didn't I know that macs used efi instead of bios? |
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| 03:17.23 | thasp | nsadmin: it works, but disconnects every 30 minutes, and gives considerably lower speeds (800 KBps) less when connected than madwifi |
| 03:17.38 | thasp | it's an atheros ar5005g |
| 03:18.00 | thasp | 2.6.26 was an awful kernel for ath5k too IMO, at least it worked and connected in 2.6.28 which is more than I can say for 26 |
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| 03:24.43 | infernix | i'm upgrading 32bits etch to amd64 lenny. yes i know, unsupported; i've done it before, I'm not worried (xen virtual server so can do stuff manually) |
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| 03:25.18 | infernix | however i forgot how to get apt to download and install amd64 packages instead of i386 |
| 03:25.47 | infernix | come to think of it, I might have downloaded all the amd64 packages manually and then installed them with dpkg |
| 03:26.00 | infernix | any clues are very appreciated :) |
| 03:27.48 | infernix | ah, found something already at http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/. correct search terms matter :) |
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| 03:32.31 | jontyw | Does ANYONE know anything about xen's tap:aio in debian? |
| 03:35.26 | Ace2017-_ | do debug builds create slower programs? i don't mind if the compile takes longer |
| 03:35.39 | Guerin | jontyw: no. It's one of the true mysteries of the universe. It was implemented without anyone even knowing how it works. Like Windows Vista. |
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| 03:36.30 | jontyw | :'( |
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| 03:51.27 | Ace2017-_ | if i run a large .sh file with lots of commands, then after execution i edit one of the lines it has not executed yet will the change to the sh file be carried out? |
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| 03:59.50 | Malf | so I found out that my cdrom drive actually is unmounting/ejecting when I press the button it's just the dvd drive that is not. Any ideas on the best way to track down why? |
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| 04:06.08 | nsadmin | Malf normally when the drive has media and it's mounted, the button has no effect |
| 04:07.05 | Malf | nsadmin: I understand that, however the cd-rom drive is quite capable of unmounting and then ejecting when I press the button. |
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| 04:09.13 | kunal | hello. i am using live usb help installer to burn an ISO of debian on my thumbdrive |
| 04:09.41 | kunal | but i doesnt do it and it asks for a zip folder as 1st option, if is scroll down it find all the other option *all files . |
| 04:09.54 | kunal | how to load the debain ISO on to the thumbdrive? |
| 04:10.30 | Guerin | kunal: man cp |
| 04:11.31 | kunal | whats cp? |
| 04:11.44 | d-b | copy |
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| 04:11.53 | avu | child porn |
| 04:11.55 | avu | obviously |
| 04:11.58 | Guerin | if you want the iso to be bootable it won't help you, though |
| 04:12.03 | Guerin | avu: heh. |
| 04:12.07 | kunal | i want it to be bootable. |
| 04:12.11 | kunal | thats the whole point. |
| 04:12.21 | kunal | my computer doesnt have CD-Rom. |
| 04:12.38 | kunal | and i am a windows user. |
| 04:12.51 | Guerin | kunal: dd if=/your/iso of=/your/usb/device ; |
| 04:13.01 | Guerin | kunal: no idea how you'd do that on windows; ask them. |
| 04:13.10 | kunal | ok. |
| 04:13.38 | kunal | anyone? |
| 04:13.39 | d-b | kunal: get unetbootin |
| 04:13.43 | avu | kunal, I've heard that ##windows here on freenode can actually be helpful |
| 04:13.52 | d-b | kunal: http://lubi.sourceforge.net/unetbootin.html |
| 04:13.54 | avu | YMMV of course, never been there myself |
| 04:14.07 | kunal | well i dont like windows ppl |
| 04:14.15 | kunal | they are all moral polices. |
| 04:14.24 | Guerin | kunal: we don't like them either |
| 04:14.27 | kunal | they make issues about every small things including using pirated softwares. |
| 04:14.29 | avu | Guerin, that's useless use of dd BTW ;p |
| 04:15.20 | Guerin | avu: yep, sure is. |
| 04:15.51 | avu | I#ve never figured out why t's so common to see dd used when it comes to copying images of harddrives and the likes |
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| 04:21.34 | obnauticus | Anyone here know a good way to stream a line-in device over the internets |
| 04:21.53 | obnauticus | like... what programs... i know icecast would be good...what else would I need :\ |
| 04:22.12 | esaym | enouf: from earlier today, I don't think you can have boot on a mdadm raid5 and use grub to install to mbr. Grub tries to read the /boot/grub/stage1 from /dev/sda1 and since that data is part of the array, grub can't find the files and bombs out.. I think. Everything works fine using raid1 on boot and raid 5 for everything else |
| 04:23.00 | JohnWittle | I have a debian fileserver in my house here, and i've been wondering... is there any way to make the font of the terminal smaller? |
| 04:23.05 | JohnWittle | it would make it more readable >.< |
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| 04:28.21 | karsten | JohnWittle: What's the terminal you're using? |
| 04:28.22 | karsten | joMore specifically: wyes, there are several ways, Specifics depend on the app you're using/ |
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| 04:28.27 | erin | hi peeps |
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| 04:30.20 | JohnWittle | karsten, um... THE terminal |
| 04:31.42 | erin | what is johnwittle |
| 04:31.56 | erin | exit |
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| 04:32.02 | erin | uit |
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| 04:32.09 | erin | q |
| 04:32.17 | JohnWittle | erin, try /quit |
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| 04:32.40 | JohnWittle | karsten, any ideas? |
| 04:33.04 | karsten | JohnWittle: Console, in other words? |
| 04:33.04 | karsten | johnwWittle: sorry, horrific lag. |
| 04:33.12 | JohnWittle | Yes |
| 04:33.14 | karsten | JohnWittle: VGA mode at boot will control that. XSetConsole There used to be a utility thtat would set the console fonts, I';I''m trying to remmeber the name of it. |
| 04:33.23 | karsten | er/quit |
| 04:33.35 | JohnWittle | Jeeze, nice lag :D |
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| 04:35.00 | erin | hi |
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| 04:35.03 | erin | dang it.. |
| 04:36.23 | zophy | where's a fast mirror that has the sarge dist ? |
| 04:36.55 | karsten | JohnWittle: Is there a "vga=" line in your grub config now? cat /proc/cmdline |
| 04:37.36 | nsadmin | zophy: sarge has been end-of-lifed, but you might still be able to find it at archive.debian.org... as far as speed, good luck... |
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| 04:38.22 | karsten | JohnWittle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions http://www.pendrivelinux.com/vga-boot-modes-to-set-screen-resolution/ |
| 04:38.34 | JohnWittle | thankya, that'll do fine :D |
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| 04:43.19 | zophy | nsadmin, ya dood, it is being very good for you to meet me |
| 04:45.53 | kj4 | can anyone help me with getting youtube to work on lenny? doesn't run in either opera or iceweasel |
| 04:46.22 | kj4 | i've already added the debian-mutlimedia gpg key |
| 04:46.35 | kj4 | and added the repository to sources.list |
| 04:46.40 | Guerin | kj4: aptitude install clive |
| 04:47.40 | kj4 | why, why aptitude over apt-get? not arguiing, just curious. i just installed per your inst |
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| 04:48.13 | bbelt16ag1 | hi |
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| 04:48.30 | Guerin | kj4: aptitude is better at dependencies and such. apt-get was only ever a demo frontend which ended up getting used for a decade |
| 04:48.31 | multibyte | !flash |
| 04:48.31 | dpkg | from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 04:48.40 | bbelt16ag1 | clear |
| 04:49.09 | Guerin | kj4: having installed clive, run `clive some-youtube-url, then play the clip with your video player of choice |
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| 04:51.44 | kj4 | Guerin, thanks, that works great. it still wont play in the browser though, the video is black, audio is OK. any thought on how to fix this? |
| 04:52.07 | Guerin | kj4: nope, flash is the hated enemy and I won't have it installed. |
| 04:52.20 | kj4 | hehe. ok. |
| 04:52.47 | Guerin | firefox is enough of a dog without it |
| 04:53.10 | adb | kj4: restart all web interfaces |
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| 04:53.36 | nsadmin | if you're not in a dash and you have some gnu cash, you can get gnash which is a replacement for flash |
| 04:54.32 | kj4 | adb, i restarted both browsers. opera has no video or audio (whitescreen) icebeagle has blackscreen, audio OK. |
| 04:55.07 | infernix | beats apt-get around for being such a PITA when upgrading i386 to amd64 |
| 04:55.08 | gords | hi all! what are the free rtmp server which runs on debian? and i only have a slow machine which have a 2.0 ghz 512mb ram and 128 mb video mem. |
| 04:55.10 | Guerin | nsadmin: but if you don't think it's going to crash, then I want some of your hash |
| 04:55.28 | gords | i have debian etch 4 |
| 04:55.42 | Guerin | gords: install lenny. It got released last week. |
| 04:56.24 | gords | Guerin, do lenny have an rtmp for it? |
| 04:56.40 | adb | kj4: and iceweasel ? |
| 04:56.58 | kj4 | Guerin, hypothetically speaking, if some did want to get flash working in their browser, just as a test to confirm what a hated enemy it still is, how would you recommend they go about that? |
| 04:57.08 | kj4 | adb: i meant to say iceweasel |
| 04:57.16 | kj4 | blackscreen good audio |
| 04:57.17 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.33 | adb | get what ? |
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| 04:58.48 | kj4 | adb: that directory doesn't exist |
| 04:58.55 | adb | hm |
| 04:58.58 | adb | make it |
| 04:59.20 | kj4 | done |
| 04:59.29 | adb | moment |
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| 05:02.14 | adb | kj4: as root , cd /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 05:02.47 | kj4 | there |
| 05:03.13 | adb | now do >> wget http://212.147.109.50/pub/libflashplayer.so |
| 05:04.49 | kj4 | pulling that now. is that from you? |
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| 05:05.36 | adb | yes 9.5M then, restart iceweasel , and you are done |
| 05:06.05 | infernix | great, succesfully upgraded etch i386 to amd64. debian = win :) |
| 05:06.23 | adb | !win infernix |
| 05:06.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, infernix! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 05:06.52 | infernix | and i did fuck up halfway |
| 05:07.10 | infernix | i had to purge libc6-amd64 (i386 package) and forgot to first symlink /lib64 to /lib :) |
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| 05:07.36 | adb | and win the 31 CD of LENNY |
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| 05:08.20 | infernix | lol |
| 05:08.43 | infernix | it really is 31 cds. im amazed |
| 05:08.48 | adb | yes |
| 05:08.53 | kj4 | adb, i had a library of the same name in /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/ |
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| 05:09.03 | infernix | its time for DVD9 images |
| 05:09.04 | kj4 | it is a little bigger than the one i just pulled |
| 05:09.26 | adb | mine is flash 10 |
| 05:09.34 | RichardBronosky | how do I install a debian experimental system? |
| 05:09.42 | infernix | i don't know of any other software (app nor OS) that needs 31 cds |
| 05:10.00 | adb | it is an OS |
| 05:10.02 | wedge | Does debian have a sparc channel? |
| 05:10.32 | RichardBronosky | I have the lenny net install ISO and I've installed in a VMWare vm, but I don't know how to use experimental |
| 05:10.34 | kj4 | adb: thanks that worked fine!! |
| 05:10.53 | kj4 | any idea how to get opera to use that same lib? |
| 05:11.01 | kj4 | works great in iceweasel |
| 05:11.01 | adb | y welcome :) |
| 05:11.02 | infernix | just saying, debian wins the award for having the largest installation cd set *ever*, hands down |
| 05:11.25 | adb | the #debian-sparc (Invite only channel) |
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| 05:12.24 | adb | kj4: try to put IT in opera/plugins |
| 05:12.36 | infernix | RichardBronosky: you probably mean sid; change /etc/apt/sources.list and change your repository to 'sid' or 'unstable', then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:12.37 | kj4 | got it |
| 05:12.47 | infernix | !sid |
| 05:12.47 | dpkg | i guess sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 05:12.50 | adb | but never tasted |
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| 05:13.21 | RichardBronosky | cool |
| 05:13.29 | kj4 | adb: yep, there is a place to add a path in opera- now that works great too THANK YOU! |
| 05:13.45 | cafuego | right, lets see if the adaptec driver in the actual lenny kernel is less broken than in the etch-n-half one. |
| 05:13.53 | adb | y welcome :) |
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| 05:14.07 | infernix | RichardBronosky: note the "no support" disclaimer for sid, do not use it in production environments |
| 05:14.22 | RichardBronosky | sure |
| 05:14.43 | RichardBronosky | I'm just poking at stuff in a VM. |
| 05:16.15 | karsten | infernix: *Now* you tell me. |
| 05:16.22 | infernix | :) |
| 05:16.26 | karsten | uses experminental in prod. |
| 05:16.38 | karsten | I;m waiting for the existential branch to be announced. |
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| 05:16.49 | infernix | rofl |
| 05:17.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:17.13 | infernix | after that comes what, spiritual? |
| 05:17.15 | infernix | conceptual? |
| 05:17.21 | Guerin | infernix: transcendental |
| 05:17.27 | infernix | hehe |
| 05:17.53 | Guerin | speaking of which, http://amysteinphoto.blogspot.com/2009/02/life-of-christ-in-cats.html |
| 05:18.06 | kj4 | so sid will not become a release someday? |
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| 05:18.14 | infernix | well, now that my box went from etch i386>amd64, lets put on lenny |
| 05:18.16 | infernix | kj4: correct |
| 05:18.17 | karsten | kj4: No. |
| 05:18.37 | kj4 | maybe if i watched toy story that would help me understand lol |
| 05:18.38 | Guerin | kj4: never. It's like asking if Michael Moore will ever be president |
| 05:18.41 | karsten | kj4: Sid breaks toys. It's always the unstable branch. Testing is the named release which will become stable one day. |
| 05:18.52 | evilGUI | I installed tripwire and I'm going to scp the files every night, am I giving myself a false sense of security? |
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| 05:19.13 | karsten | kj4: "still in development": is an (invalid) backronym which may help you remember. |
| 05:19.15 | evilGUI | I didn't really know what I was doing modifying the policy. |
| 05:19.38 | kj4 | karten: ok |
| 05:20.01 | kj4 | debian jumped up on distrowatch, that's nice |
| 05:20.42 | karsten | kj4: distrowatch';s metrics are pretty useless. "most searched for distro on our website" is pretty much what it tells you. |
| 05:21.03 | infernix | when are we running out of toy story names btw? haven't seen the movie so no clue here |
| 05:21.12 | karsten | infernix: RSN |
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| 05:21.34 | kj4 | karsten, is there a better measure somewhere? |
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| 05:22.16 | karsten | kj4: Linux distro use is very hard to estimate. |
| 05:22.18 | infernix | any ideas for what names to go for next? |
| 05:22.20 | miksuh | infernix: I think it wont take long until CD is as dead media as floppy disk is now. CD is just too small. Eg. usb-sticks can contain many times more data, and then there is DVD and blue ray.. |
| 05:22.24 | infernix | toy story 3 comes in 2010 |
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| 05:23.45 | karsten | kj4: It really depends on what utilization trends you're interested in. Direct user surveys are the most accurate, but most epensive to run. In industry, CIO/CTO type surveys might work, but there's still a fair amount of bottom-up implementation of stuff that CXOs aren't aware of. |
| 05:24.00 | karsten | miksuh: blue what? |
| 05:24.04 | infernix | miksuh: heh, yeah. i discovered a stack of floppies here (moving to a new house). don't even have an laptop with a floppy drive to read them |
| 05:24.13 | karsten | .me thinks miksuh didn't get the memo. |
| 05:24.29 | miksuh | karsten: what? |
| 05:24.42 | miksuh | what do you mean |
| 05:24.50 | karsten | A $COW_ORKER needed a floppy the other day. Another $COW_ORKER picked up a sealed box of 5.25" for him. |
| 05:24.52 | kj4 | karsten you souund like you have much experience in that area |
| 05:25.35 | karsten | miksuh: Blue ray won the standards war but lost the consumer war. I think It's going to be another DAT / microdisk |
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| 05:25.40 | karsten | kjI've watche d a bunch of people try to estimate Linux use. I've worked with survey data. |
| 05:25.54 | cafuego | woot |
| 05:26.49 | karsten | kj4: ... and survey methods. I've also seen various (dis)information campaings trying to estimate various measures of marketshare for Linux vs. other products (proprietary Unix, Windows NT, Win* Server, Mac*, mainframe). |
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| 05:27.21 | adb | intristing , go on karsten |
| 05:27.25 | cafuego | From what I see, Ubuntu is the most popular with new users these days. |
| 05:27.26 | karsten | kj4: The numbers are, simply, very hard to come by. And they're growing, but nobody can tell you exactly how much. |
| 05:27.42 | kj4 | it stands to reason that some of those proprietary vendors would have an interest in fudging those numbers |
| 05:27.46 | cafuego | But as for what sort of percentage of ppl use Linux, who knows? |
| 05:28.03 | infernix | blu-ray might fail as a pc storage medium, but do you really think the studios that are spitting out BD discs (especially the ones re-pressing their old HDDVD releases on BD) are going to do that yet again? |
| 05:28.03 | Guerin | who cares? |
| 05:28.07 | cafuego | Everyone with a Linksys WRT54G does, but they don;'t know ;-) |
| 05:28.16 | karsten | ubuntu definitely has the buzz. RH is hitting the Mainframe/Soaris / very conventional shops who've finally become convinced that Linux is the next must-deploy tool. |
| 05:28.25 | Guerin | demand for compatible hardware, softare and services is the only relevant measurement |
| 05:28.26 | kj4 | Guerin, i do, i find it interesting |
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| 05:28.56 | cafuego | infernix: As a consumer, there is no incentive for me to switch to bluray. I'd have to buy a new tv, a new player, new sound system ... why bother? |
| 05:28.57 | karsten | infernix: I think that video-on-media is dead. |
| 05:29.20 | cafuego | infernix: ... all that say I can pay *more* for video content? |
| 05:29.20 | karsten | cafuego: s/a new tv/a tv/ |
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| 05:29.50 | cafuego | karsten: I already have a tv myself... but SD. |
| 05:29.57 | kj4 | cafuego, i cutting out tv more and more for my family |
| 05:30.01 | karsten | cafuego: Speaking for myself. |
| 05:30.11 | Guerin | this seems an apposite time to mention the absurd new anti-piracy provisions which take effect in NZ copyright law next week |
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| 05:30.22 | cafuego | Guerin: SPeaking of NZ and next week ... |
| 05:30.25 | infernix | well i agree that its dying, media, but that doesn't apply worldwide |
| 05:30.36 | kj4 | Guerin, in you in NZ? |
| 05:30.44 | cafuego | infernix: Speaking from Australia, yes it does ;-) |
| 05:30.50 | Guerin | kj4: is me in NZ am, si. |
| 05:31.02 | karsten | Guerin: Isn't NZ the land where tomorrow is yesterday? |
| 05:31.02 | karsten | Guerin: ru a girl? |
| 05:31.03 | infernix | you can't quite stream hdtv content to places with crappy broadband |
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| 05:31.12 | cafuego | Guerin: I'll be finding myself in Wellington with my wife and a day of free time. |
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| 05:31.14 | Guerin | karsten: no to both. |
| 05:31.18 | infernix | then again you might wonder if those places have hdtv at all |
| 05:31.21 | infernix | :) |
| 05:31.33 | Guerin | cafuego: what day? |
| 05:31.40 | karsten | ./me was banking on "sometimes" |
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| 05:31.48 | cafuego | Guerin: monday - and part of tuesday |
| 05:32.05 | cafuego | Guerin: I was thinking of hiring a car and going to look at a volcano |
| 05:32.18 | karsten | cafuego: Which by my logic would be Saturday and Sunday |
| 05:32.52 | cafuego | karsten: I'll be there on sat/sun but without free time. |
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| 05:33.09 | cafuego | Guerin: Btw, you better be at linux.conf.au next year :-) |
| 05:33.14 | batman_ramirez | how can i add programs at e16 startup |
| 05:33.22 | karsten | offers cafuego a wholesale price, tomorrow only. |
| 05:33.32 | Guerin | cafuego: bah. we call that day `tomorrow', and I won't be here. I'm leaving tonight to go upcountry - f-i-l has cancer and I have to go set up a working-=from-home infrastructure up there so deb and I can be nearby |
| 05:33.39 | karsten | batman_ramirez: ~/.xsession or somewhere in E |
| 05:33.52 | cafuego | Guerin: Nono, mon/tue as in march. |
| 05:33.58 | samplr | how does initramfs-tools compare to yaird? |
| 05:34.16 | cafuego | Guerin: flying up coming friday |
| 05:34.17 | Guerin | cafuego: oh, next week. Likely to be back for that, cool. |
| 05:34.31 | Guerin | nextnext week, I sould say |
| 05:34.51 | karsten | cafuego: What's your usual location? |
| 05:34.57 | cafuego | karsten: Melbourne |
| 05:34.58 | karsten | is thinking Oz. |
| 05:35.07 | Guerin | and yes, I will be at lca - honestly, I'd be out of excuses if I couldn't be |
| 05:35.07 | karsten | Roight. |
| 05:35.20 | cafuego | Guerin: <heh> good! |
| 05:35.23 | karsten | Guerin: lca? |
| 05:35.40 | Guerin | karsten: linux.conf.au |
| 05:35.45 | cafuego | karsten: where Linus shaved Bdale this year. |
| 05:36.14 | karsten | And people say Linux geeks are dull... |
| 05:36.19 | karsten | cafuego: Brazillian? |
| 05:36.42 | batman_ramirez | exit |
| 05:36.45 | cafuego | karsten: No, a bit higher. I thik a brazilian would've upset the audience (or then again, maybe not...) |
| 05:36.52 | cafuego | batman_ramirez: /quit |
| 05:37.08 | karsten | cafuego: Yeah, I saw the pics. Frightening all the same. |
| 05:37.39 | cafuego | It was a bit. He was somewhat apologetic, I don't think he really wanted to :-) |
| 05:37.57 | cafuego | karsten: Anyway, good conference; you should come. |
| 05:38.05 | RichardBronosky | even with "sid main" in my sources, I do not get this version of pygame http://packages.debian.org/experimental/python/python-pygame |
| 05:38.17 | infernix | no videos yet from lca 2009 |
| 05:38.19 | cafuego | RichardBronosky: Correct. |
| 05:38.33 | RichardBronosky | why not? |
| 05:38.46 | karsten | cafuego: 2010 Wellington? |
| 05:38.46 | cafuego | infernix: Being processed; they went to DV tape this year, not DVD ... so pulling 'em off and editing takes longer. |
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| 05:38.50 | cafuego | karsten: yep |
| 05:38.53 | infernix | RichardBronosky: you need to use apt-pinning for the experimental branch |
| 05:39.00 | infernix | cafuego: aha |
| 05:39.06 | karsten | wasn't aware Oz had annexed Wellington. |
| 05:39.23 | cafuego | infernix: But stuff *was* recorded and there *will* be videos. |
| 05:39.35 | stoned | 0oz? |
| 05:39.36 | cafuego | karsten: the A in lca is for 'australasia' |
| 05:39.39 | RichardBronosky | googling apt-pinning |
| 05:39.42 | Guerin | karsten: there's a section in the Aussie constitution which allows for us to join the commonwealth |
| 05:39.44 | stoned | do you supposed Dorothy was in Australia? |
| 05:39.44 | infernix | yeah i saw what i could, but still anticipating more :) |
| 05:39.47 | stoned | I mean |
| 05:39.50 | stoned | just curious |
| 05:39.57 | cafuego | karsten: In 06 it was in Dunedis, so NZ isn't unprecedented |
| 05:40.07 | Internat | *ponders going to lca next year* |
| 05:40.10 | karsten | Guerin: I'm aware that NZ was exporting welfare motheres to Oz for a time. |
| 05:40.12 | stoned | but seriously |
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| 05:40.33 | stoned | we're off to see the Wyzard, the wonderful Wyzard of Oz |
| 05:40.33 | cafuego | infernix: I managed to miss heaps.. so video will be good :-) |
| 05:40.36 | stoned | heh |
| 05:40.53 | karsten | cafuego: Missed heaps but got stacks? |
| 05:41.05 | cafuego | piles, unfortunately |
| 05:41.17 | cafuego | It's just no-win. |
| 05:41.24 | infernix | fosdem has some videos out already |
| 05:41.31 | stoned | RichardBronosky, need not pin |
| 05:41.47 | RichardBronosky | oh yeah? |
| 05:41.57 | stoned | RichardBronosky, make your sid line in sources.list, update, apt-get install -t unstable blahblahpckagename |
| 05:41.59 | infernix | but i was there so not much i missed, really |
| 05:42.15 | infernix | stoned: -t experimental? |
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| 05:42.22 | cafuego | mainly ended up gasbagging on the lawn and missing talks |
| 05:42.23 | stoned | did i say experimental? |
| 05:42.26 | stoned | no I didn't |
| 05:42.35 | stoned | should I have said experimental? |
| 05:42.37 | kj4 | \msg nickserv identify kj4 istillpoopmypants |
| 05:42.40 | stoned | no idea, but you get the point |
| 05:42.44 | stoned | use -t |
| 05:42.54 | Guerin | !pal karsten |
| 05:42.54 | dpkg | points at karsten and laughs |
| 05:42.58 | Guerin | !pal kj4 |
| 05:42.58 | dpkg | points at kj4 and laughs hysterically |
| 05:43.03 | karsten | kj4: / not \ |
| 05:43.14 | cafuego | kj4: is identified already, anyway |
| 05:43.15 | stoned | Guerin, sup man dude |
| 05:43.17 | karsten | kj4: ... and change your password |
| 05:43.17 | adb | kj4: so /msg nickserv identify ... |
| 05:43.20 | stoned | Guerin, hows the little critter |
| 05:43.34 | karsten | !pal Guerin's tab key |
| 05:43.34 | dpkg | points at Guerin's tab key and laughs |
| 05:43.39 | kj4 | i can't change that password, i use it in 325 places |
| 05:43.52 | cafuego | Right, I have napping to do. See youse later. |
| 05:43.54 | karsten | kj4: Now we know ;-) |
| 05:43.55 | Guerin | kj4: good to know. |
| 05:44.02 | Guerin | karsten: damn you. |
| 05:44.18 | Guerin | stoned: rioghteousness embodied. |
| 05:44.19 | karsten | kj4: I use passwords in *one* place, generate them with pwgen, and store them in a GPG encrypted file. |
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| 05:44.28 | Guerin | stoned: just about to hax some more photos |
| 05:44.33 | stoned | yes please |
| 05:44.42 | stoned | would love to see how he grow sup |
| 05:44.48 | stoned | i like kids |
| 05:44.52 | stoned | from a distance |
| 05:44.54 | stoned | :) |
| 05:45.13 | karsten | stoned: The trick is getting the seasoning right and *not* overcooking them. |
| 05:45.25 | karsten | is of course talking about goats. |
| 05:45.37 | stoned | lol |
| 05:45.49 | stoned | wanna see the cutest baby in the world? |
| 05:45.57 | K`zan | Hi Folks, I am setting up a new deb5 (KDE) install for a friend that is handicapped and only one problem is that iceweasel won't startup on a restart, everything else seems to be fine. Any suggestions? It is very VERY difficult for her to be able to start it otherwise. TMIA! |
| 05:46.05 | kj4 | karsten, i'm j/k, i'm not to your level, but not far behind |
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| 05:46.39 | karsten | kj4: browser password safes help a lot. SSH key auth does much of the rest. |
| 05:46.42 | stoned | Guerin, http://ws.podzone.org/229.jpg |
| 05:46.53 | liable | K`zan: open iceweasel then save the session for the log out |
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| 05:47.28 | stoned | can't fuck with this baby man, I mean I know people are biased towards thier own kids, but c'mon, this is the cutest baby in the world! |
| 05:47.31 | stoned | :D |
| 05:47.40 | karsten | stoned: Yours? |
| 05:47.43 | stoned | kinda |
| 05:47.46 | stoned | I'm her godfather |
| 05:47.50 | RichardBronosky | I still get 1.7 from apt-get install -t unstable python-pygame |
| 05:48.00 | RichardBronosky | same for experimental |
| 05:48.00 | infernix | RichardBronosky: -t experimental |
| 05:48.08 | karsten | was going to guess ""failed the paternity test but got stuck with the payments" |
| 05:48.10 | stoned | its my best friend jessie's husband and daughter in that pic |
| 05:48.13 | stoned | karsten, hahaha |
| 05:48.33 | infernix | RichardBronosky: and duplicate the sid sources in sources.list, then change sid to experimental. that way you have both in your sources.list |
| 05:48.40 | infernix | then it should work. from what i gather |
| 05:48.45 | RichardBronosky | ok |
| 05:48.50 | K`zan | liable: For her that is almost impossible, it needs to do like firefox did under ubuntu, when you restart the system, it needs to come back up in the desired desktop :-/. |
| 05:49.15 | liable | K`zan: it will if you do what i said. it will save that session forever |
| 05:49.16 | infernix | stoned: so experimental does not supersede sid by default for packages with newer versions in experimental? |
| 05:49.26 | stoned | infernix, no |
| 05:49.33 | infernix | nice, wasn't aware of thta |
| 05:49.38 | K`zan | The session saves, but icewesel doesn't restart in the new session. |
| 05:49.39 | stoned | by default everything in experimental has a lower priority afaik |
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| 05:49.47 | khades | hey |
| 05:49.55 | K`zan | It has to be manually launched after kde comes up. |
| 05:50.08 | stoned | lots of people keep experimental in sources.list but if it was defaulted to a higher priority, your system would get fucked |
| 05:50.11 | stoned | very very badly |
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| 05:50.15 | kunal | hello guys. |
| 05:50.17 | liable | K`zan: is it on the current desktop? |
| 05:50.17 | khades | how to change bash to dash in lenny? |
| 05:50.18 | stoned | thats why exp is lower priority |
| 05:50.27 | stoned | khades, /etc/passwd ? |
| 05:50.27 | kunal | i needed to aks you something. if its possible to change a BIO system? |
| 05:50.32 | infernix | K`zan: if it wasnt KDE i'd say use an .xsession file |
| 05:50.34 | kunal | BIOS |
| 05:50.41 | stoned | heh, I would just change the path to the shell in there |
| 05:50.43 | karsten | khades: As default /bin/sh? Or as your user shell? |
| 05:50.46 | infernix | K`zan: add 'iceweasel &' there. but no idea if that works for KDE |
| 05:50.46 | stoned | but I'm sure there are better ways |
| 05:50.51 | khades | as /bin/sh |
| 05:51.02 | stoned | infernix, nope |
| 05:51.03 | stoned | it will not |
| 05:51.10 | stoned | Ksession will not work on non-kde apps |
| 05:51.13 | karsten | khades: The first should be an install option for dash, otherwise: update-alternatives --config sh |
| 05:51.16 | stoned | (kde3.x that is) |
| 05:51.33 | stoned | you have to go to ~/.kde/Autostart and put it in there |
| 05:51.33 | RichardBronosky | infernix: yeah! thanks! |
| 05:51.40 | kunal | yes. anyone here who knows if its possible to change the Bios? |
| 05:51.44 | K`zan | infernix: I'll try that, thanks! |
| 05:52.05 | stoned | just go to that dir, and put in a link to like ln -s |
| 05:52.22 | liable | K`zan: if your OEM doesnt supply an iso, and only a windows executable, it can be difficult |
| 05:52.40 | liable | kunal: if your OEM doesnt supply an iso, and only a windows executable, it can be difficult |
| 05:52.43 | infernix | RichardBronosky: np. note that experimental packages probably only work on sid boxes, not lenny. |
| 05:52.49 | liable | K`zan: sorry, wrong nick |
| 05:52.54 | karsten | kunal: Generally: yes, you can re-flash your BIOS. If you do it wrong you're the proud owner of a brick. |
| 05:53.00 | stoned | infernix, incorrect |
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| 05:53.10 | stoned | infernix, they may or may not work on lenny, but will work on sid |
| 05:53.20 | stoned | definitely cause issues with stable for sure |
| 05:53.30 | stoned | oh nm, I misread you |
| 05:53.30 | karsten | stoned: Incorrect. They may or may not work ;-) |
| 05:53.36 | infernix | stoned: :) |
| 05:53.40 | infernix | its out, you know :) |
| 05:53.46 | stoned | yes I'm aware |
| 05:53.48 | K`zan | liable: :-) wondered about that :-). Google isn't much help either here, happens on both deb5 machines. Wonder if I should remove iceweasel and try installing firefox?!? |
| 05:53.51 | infernix | j/k |
| 05:53.56 | stoned | still waiting for a party |
| 05:53.57 | khades | hm, no sh alternative |
| 05:54.00 | stoned | i know its all good |
| 05:54.02 | RichardBronosky | infernix: I followed your instructions to get my VM to sid. I think I'm good. |
| 05:54.02 | stoned | you da man |
| 05:54.02 | liable | K`zan: works for me, has for ages |
| 05:54.26 | K`zan | liable: Removing iceweasel and replacing it with firefox? |
| 05:54.27 | karsten | khades: Is dash installed? It's the only alternate that I'm aware of. Well, maybe ash. |
| 05:54.33 | infernix | RichardBronosky: have fun :) |
| 05:54.33 | RichardBronosky | one last thing, how do I build the smallest deb install possible? |
| 05:54.46 | karsten | khades: Nope. ash => dash |
| 05:54.47 | liable | K`zan: no, saving the session brings iceweasel up after reboot |
| 05:54.47 | infernix | RichardBronosky: emdebian grip |
| 05:54.52 | infernix | google it |
| 05:54.53 | karsten | RichardBronosky: mudebs? |
| 05:55.12 | K`zan | liable: Will give it a go and see what happens, thanks VERY much! |
| 05:55.19 | stoned | if you replace with firefox then know this, none of your debian packagesk for addons will work |
| 05:55.19 | khades | i did dpkg-reconfigure dash and now it works |
| 05:55.26 | stoned | mozilla-mplayer will not work |
| 05:55.38 | stoned | flashplayer-mozilla or gnash or whatever will not work |
| 05:55.45 | stoned | java browser plugins will not work |
| 05:55.57 | stoned | you will have to install those individually for yoruself for the firefox yo uinstall in debin |
| 05:56.03 | K`zan | iceweasel save session |
| 05:56.06 | K`zan | ww |
| 05:56.07 | RichardBronosky | I just have this habit of building new VMs to test things. I want a base (template) install with nothing but bash and apt. |
| 05:56.08 | kunal | what stoned!!!! |
| 05:56.10 | stoned | that firefox will not work with debian stuff |
| 05:56.19 | kunal | if i add firefox i wont be able to work with debian stuff? |
| 05:56.20 | stoned | only iceweasel is configured to look in palces where debian pckages install stuff |
| 05:56.28 | stoned | it will, you just have to make it work |
| 05:56.35 | infernix | stoned: could just symlink a bit, right |
| 05:56.38 | kunal | why dont they just make it compatible. |
| 05:56.38 | stoned | yeh |
| 05:56.42 | infernix | eg ln -s iceweasel firefox |
| 05:56.45 | stoned | no |
| 05:56.54 | infernix | for /usr/lib/ dirs |
| 05:56.58 | stoned | you'd have to link the locations to the libs where stuff is installed |
| 05:57.04 | stoned | like /usr/lib/mozilla/ etc. |
| 05:57.08 | kunal | ah ok. |
| 05:57.11 | infernix | yeah. |
| 05:57.13 | stoned | cuz firefox will not look there, only iceweasel wil |
| 05:57.14 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 05:57.16 | kunal | thats not so bad tho. |
| 05:57.19 | infernix | so would work, but painful and might break with upgrades |
| 05:57.27 | kunal | oh dear. |
| 05:57.29 | kunal | ok now thats bad |
| 05:57.43 | kunal | if not firefox then what other good option do i have? |
| 05:57.44 | adb | RichardBronosky: debootstrap lenny lenny |
| 05:57.56 | stoned | whats the problem with iceweasel? |
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| 05:58.17 | infernix | well its not without problems |
| 05:58.32 | infernix | i sometimes get differently rendered pages in iceweasel vs firefox, same versions |
| 05:58.47 | kunal | ok. question for all you guys. what is the best reason to use debian? |
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| 05:59.02 | stoned | you don't want our reasons |
| 05:59.10 | stoned | they may or may not be good enough for you |
| 05:59.11 | RichardBronosky | cool, thanks all! |
| 05:59.13 | stoned | and probably wont' be |
| 05:59.21 | stoned | you have to use debian and make up your own mind |
| 05:59.23 | kunal | ok. fair enough |
| 05:59.31 | kunal | i am not going to push it further |
| 05:59.34 | adb | RichardBronosky: this will give you a base-system lenny , chroot in , mount /proc |
| 05:59.35 | stoned | good stuf |
| 05:59.40 | stoned | you're a smart man |
| 05:59.53 | kunal | stoned: you like ice weasel or fire fox more? |
| 05:59.59 | adb | RichardBronosky: and install /test things |
| 06:00.02 | stoned | I like what works |
| 06:00.05 | stoned | they both work |
| 06:00.13 | stoned | iceweasel causes me more grief than firefox |
| 06:00.18 | stoned | I use firefox fulltime in sid |
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| 06:00.27 | gords | hi! how would i install flash player on iceweasel? |
| 06:00.34 | gords | i'm using debian 4 etch |
| 06:00.35 | stoned | and I upgrade it without a problem, and it picks up debian pcakges for addons |
| 06:00.42 | kunal | firefox fulltime in sid? |
| 06:00.43 | kunal | whats sid? |
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| 06:00.57 | RichardBronosky | adb: I'm working with framebuffer stuff in the goal of build picture frames... |
| 06:00.59 | stoned | gords, i think the package is from debian-multimedia.org and you can uuse the package called flashplayer-mozilla |
| 06:01.15 | stoned | I'm not sure i think in debian its in non-free and its called flashplayer-nonfree |
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| 06:01.31 | RichardBronosky | I'm really nervous about having things not work on the final install. |
| 06:01.32 | stoned | not sure exactlky the name, and then there is gnash i think in etch too not sure never used it |
| 06:01.33 | kunal | stoned- so you could use the multimedia packages to surf on youtube etc right on ice weasel? |
| 06:01.42 | aidan | I can't seem to connect to mysql from the outside world ... do I need to do anything special? |
| 06:01.49 | RichardBronosky | SDL is a bit fickle anyway. |
| 06:01.49 | stoned | aidan, yes |
| 06:02.04 | stoned | aidan, mysql defaults to acceping connection sonly on localhost |
| 06:02.15 | stoned | you have to edit my.cnf and enable remote connection on port 3306 |
| 06:02.23 | aidan | stoned: great, thank you! |
| 06:02.34 | stoned | and then you have to add a user who has access to connect to it |
| 06:02.44 | stoned | or you an use root, but I wouldn't |
| 06:02.52 | stoned | kunal, sure |
| 06:02.59 | kunal | thanks stoned :) |
| 06:03.26 | stoned | its easy on firefox too kunal |
| 06:04.07 | stoned | just unpack firefox to /opt/firefox and go to ~/.mozilla/plugins and symlink the files installed by say the flashplayer-nonfree package's .so file there, same for java or whatever else |
| 06:04.26 | stoned | then when you want to upgrade firefox, simply unpack the newer version to /opt/firefox or something |
| 06:04.34 | kunal | oh thanks. i am not yet there. i am currently trying to upgrade the bios on my PC |
| 06:04.38 | stoned | I don't think it will let you upgrade through the help menu |
| 06:04.47 | stoned | word |
| 06:04.47 | kunal | because my BIOS wont let me boot thru a thumbdrive |
| 06:05.01 | stoned | and does the updated bios support that feature |
| 06:05.03 | kunal | and my system doesnt have a CD-Rom |
| 06:05.09 | stoned | or you are just upgrading the bios and hoping it will work? |
| 06:05.22 | kunal | yes. the newer American Megatrend does have the function |
| 06:05.28 | stoned | good stuff |
| 06:05.35 | kunal | all the new Bios systems have bootable thumbdrives |
| 06:05.52 | kunal | stoned- can your system boot via thumb drive? |
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| 06:05.58 | stoned | yes |
| 06:06.09 | kunal | when did you get your system? |
| 06:06.12 | kunal | post 2002? |
| 06:06.13 | stoned | I have F13/B on GA 965p S3 |
| 06:06.20 | infernix | stoned: do you run amd64 firefox in sid? |
| 06:06.27 | stoned | no |
| 06:06.36 | stoned | I run a chroot 32bit |
| 06:06.51 | stoned | for firefox and w32codecs |
| 06:06.54 | infernix | ever tried amd64 firefox? |
| 06:06.57 | stoned | flash/javaplugin etc. etc. |
| 06:07.06 | stoned | infernix, yes, its incredibly fast |
| 06:07.14 | stoned | especially on xp pro x64 |
| 06:07.21 | stoned | faster than sid |
| 06:07.24 | stoned | much much much faster |
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| 06:07.40 | infernix | iceweasel on sid with 64bit flash is everything but fast, i assure you |
| 06:07.52 | stoned | perhaps in your setup |
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| 06:07.59 | stoned | I've no problems at all |
| 06:08.09 | infernix | grmbls |
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| 06:08.57 | K`zan | How does one save a session in iceweasel, I see nothing in the menus and google isn't being any help?!? TIA! |
| 06:09.13 | stoned | you can't manually save a session afaik |
| 06:09.25 | stoned | the built in firefox session handling is featureless |
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| 06:09.40 | stoned | you have to get a session saving extention addons from addons.mozilla.org |
| 06:09.53 | stoned | there are a few, but I like to use Tab Mix Plus |
| 06:09.55 | stoned | its fantasti |
| 06:10.01 | stoned | its session saving is supreme |
| 06:10.04 | K`zan | stoned: Unfortunately, that was supposed to be a solution to iceweasel failing to come back up on a restart :-/. |
| 06:10.20 | stoned | wrong solution |
| 06:10.28 | stoned | if shit don't start, use safemode |
| 06:10.54 | K`zan | stoned: everything else but iw restarts just fine... |
| 06:10.55 | stoned | then you turn off extensions 1 by 1 to find the culprit |
| 06:11.05 | stoned | what do you mean restart? |
| 06:11.13 | stoned | restart iw, or the whole system |
| 06:11.17 | stoned | gnome or kde? |
| 06:11.20 | stoned | or something else |
| 06:11.31 | K`zan | shutdown, power oof turn back on - kde, sorry :-). |
| 06:11.42 | stoned | you know you're making me repeat myself |
| 06:11.47 | stoned | I told you already it will not work in kde |
| 06:11.59 | stoned | its a non kde app, how the fuck you think its gonna work with kde session saving? |
| 06:12.18 | K`zan | Sigh, OK, I guess she is going to have to go back to ubuntu where it works with firefox. Thanks. |
| 06:12.20 | stoned | you have to to to ~/.kde/Autostart and put your firefox shortcut there |
| 06:12.23 | stoned | or iceweasel whatever |
| 06:12.30 | stoned | yeh |
| 06:12.35 | stoned | ubuntu isnt using KDE |
| 06:12.47 | stoned | im sorry i don't mean to sound mean, but how thick are you?> |
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| 06:12.58 | infernix | K`zan: just make the symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart to /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 06:13.00 | K`zan | If we are going to be pedantic: kubuntu. |
| 06:13.03 | infernix | should be all |
| 06:13.13 | K`zan | OK, trying that now. |
| 06:13.17 | stoned | no no |
| 06:13.19 | stoned | hes going to ignore me |
| 06:13.26 | K`zan | With that attitude, yes. |
| 06:13.27 | stoned | and when i tell him again hes gonna show me attitude |
| 06:13.32 | stoned | why the fuck should I help him now. |
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| 06:13.45 | K`zan | I don't want your help, keep up with your nick. |
| 06:14.09 | stoned | yup |
| 06:14.18 | stoned | you're thick, you can't make shit work, and you want to go back to ubuntu |
| 06:14.23 | stoned | I think you should. |
| 06:15.03 | stoned | oh and btw |
| 06:15.06 | K`zan | Boy just don't get it :-). |
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| 06:15.15 | stoned | I use this nickname to help me filter the judgemental assholes like you |
| 06:15.19 | stoned | mission accomplished. |
| 06:15.41 | infernix | whistles |
| 06:15.45 | ubd | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.47 | stoned | ignores |
| 06:15.50 | stoned | :) |
| 06:16.04 | stoned | ubd, rtorrent |
| 06:16.08 | stoned | definitely, ssh |
| 06:16.12 | stoned | defnitely screen |
| 06:16.18 | stoned | must have screen |
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| 06:16.31 | ubd | i can connect screen to setup things |
| 06:16.35 | stoned | no |
| 06:16.38 | stoned | not a physical screen |
| 06:16.49 | ubd | ok |
| 06:16.53 | stoned | 'screen' is a gnu utility for multiplexing a shell env. |
| 06:16.54 | infernix | ubd: there are some webbased frontends for rtorrent too |
| 06:17.06 | stoned | infernix, then you want him to install apache :) |
| 06:17.12 | stoned | nah, lets keep it minimal |
| 06:17.23 | infernix | but yeah, apt-get install rtorrent screen |
| 06:17.31 | infernix | all the cool guys do it |
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| 06:17.36 | ubd | ok then ill install debian base. then ssh then screen and rtorrent yeah? |
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| 06:17.43 | stoned | yup |
| 06:17.52 | ubd | allright thanks |
| 06:17.55 | stoned | also, samba |
| 06:17.57 | infernix | ubd: you'll want to google some howto or tutorial about screen |
| 06:17.58 | K`zan | infernix: That works, MUCH appreciated. |
| 06:18.03 | stoned | you need Samba |
| 06:18.11 | infernix | K`zan: thank stoned, he's the kde man. i didnt know. ;) |
| 06:18.14 | stoned | if you're on windows and you're dl torrents on this linux machine |
| 06:18.25 | ubd | ok samba |
| 06:18.25 | stoned | you want to share the data using samba |
| 06:18.32 | K`zan | Heh, lives up to his nick and rude too. |
| 06:18.40 | infernix | hey come on now |
| 06:18.46 | stoned | infernix, its alright |
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| 06:18.53 | infernix | if you only knew |
| 06:18.55 | infernix | lights it up |
| 06:18.56 | ubd | it wont be bad if i format the drive fat for linux? |
| 06:18.59 | stoned | don't worrya bout it |
| 06:19.00 | infernix | :) |
| 06:19.05 | stoned | its good to be the bigger man sometimes. |
| 06:19.06 | K`zan | Anyway, that should keep me from having to foster her off to ubuncrap :). |
| 06:19.18 | K`zan | Try it sometime stoned |
| 06:19.28 | stoned | K`zan, please keep it on topic |
| 06:19.33 | stoned | #debian support |
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| 06:19.42 | stoned | you can take personal attacks to #debian-offtopic |
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| 06:19.47 | stoned | thanks. |
| 06:20.32 | ubd | and i will be using screen to add/remove torrents from xp machine rihgt? |
| 06:20.38 | stoned | no |
| 06:20.43 | stoned | ubd, google 'gnu screen' |
| 06:20.46 | stoned | start reading. |
| 06:20.50 | ubd | argh |
| 06:20.56 | ubd | :D |
| 06:20.57 | stoned | sorry man, gotta read ;) |
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| 06:21.35 | stoned | infernix, I haven't smoked in a few months |
| 06:21.49 | ubd | the page says theres a philosophy of gnu |
| 06:21.53 | stoned | lol |
| 06:21.53 | infernix | stoned: i'm dutch. :) |
| 06:21.56 | stoned | !scren |
| 06:21.59 | stoned | !screen |
| 06:21.59 | dpkg | hmm... screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or "aptitude install screen" |
| 06:22.13 | stoned | enjoy |
| 06:22.15 | ubd | oh ok |
| 06:22.25 | ubd | the thing is ssh then |
| 06:22.29 | stoned | no |
| 06:22.33 | stoned | its screen |
| 06:22.35 | ubd | .. |
| 06:22.44 | ubd | screen of ssh |
| 06:22.44 | infernix | <type="stereo">and as you all know, everyone here smokes. </type> |
| 06:22.53 | stoned | I'm not going to continue to repeat myself |
| 06:22.58 | stoned | you've been advised. go read. |
| 06:23.04 | ubd | this looks like philosophy of language now i am getting it |
| 06:23.21 | stoned | hehe you don't need to read the philosophy of gnu really |
| 06:23.25 | stoned | you clicked on the wrong link |
| 06:23.33 | stoned | screen is a program, read abotu it |
| 06:23.44 | stoned | so you can understnad how it works, then you can use it better |
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| 06:23.50 | stoned | the more you know.... |
| 06:24.06 | infernix | ubd: the curve might be high initially but it'll pay off |
| 06:24.43 | stoned | infernix, dutch! you lucky bastard! |
| 06:24.45 | stoned | I hate you. |
| 06:25.02 | stoned | just like, don't even talk to me anymore man ;) |
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| 06:25.35 | ubd | shall i join the local linux community before passing the curve of after |
| 06:25.36 | infernix | hehe |
| 06:25.45 | stoned | join it anytime |
| 06:25.49 | stoned | doesn't matter |
| 06:25.55 | ubd | are there any girls |
| 06:26.01 | infernix | stoned: closest from my home: 400 meters. |
| 06:26.03 | stoned | there are no girls |
| 06:26.11 | infernix | stoned: in my city, oh about 5 i think |
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| 06:26.16 | stoned | nice |
| 06:26.19 | ubd | but there must be tshirts with mottos |
| 06:26.33 | stoned | like.. what kind of mottos? |
| 06:26.33 | ubd | like i love cd.. |
| 06:26.51 | ubd | mk2fs -c -c ftw |
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| 06:27.05 | stoned | rm -rf /bin/laden |
| 06:27.07 | stoned | ;) |
| 06:27.16 | stoned | 'make love' |
| 06:27.19 | kunal | hey stoned. |
| 06:27.22 | stoned | yo |
| 06:27.26 | stoned | kunal bhai! |
| 06:27.30 | kunal | is it possible to install the iso directly on a hard disk externally |
| 06:27.33 | kunal | kunal bhai? |
| 06:27.41 | stoned | bhai in hindi means brother |
| 06:27.50 | stoned | kunal is a sanskrit name |
| 06:27.51 | ubd | but ass in turkish |
| 06:27.53 | kunal | you are not indian. |
| 06:28.00 | stoned | who says? |
| 06:28.05 | kunal | ;) |
| 06:28.08 | kunal | ok. you are |
| 06:28.09 | stoned | bhen chode |
| 06:28.11 | kunal | kaise ho stoned? |
| 06:28.13 | stoned | gaand mar doohga |
| 06:28.16 | stoned | fit hoon yaar |
| 06:28.19 | kunal | chup kar stoned. |
| 06:28.20 | [ka]killer | would segate scsi drives cause any problem during install of linux? |
| 06:28.21 | kunal | tu bhi yaar. |
| 06:28.28 | kunal | stoned. mera ek problem hai |
| 06:28.30 | stoned | #debian-chat mein aa ja yaar |
| 06:28.31 | [ka]killer | friend is having problems, i blame his distro, he blames the drives |
| 06:28.37 | stoned | english only in #debian ;) |
| 06:28.38 | stoned | unfortunately |
| 06:28.38 | ubd | [ka]killer never.. |
| 06:28.43 | kunal | ok. sorry . hey stoned. |
| 06:28.44 | stoned | kunal, whats the problem |
| 06:28.56 | [ka]killer | IBM Rebranded Seagate ST318451LC |
| 06:28.59 | kunal | can i install the debian files onto a hard disk? |
| 06:29.11 | ubd | kunal why not |
| 06:29.13 | stoned | kunal, uhm.. explain your goal |
| 06:29.21 | stoned | !wayttd kunal |
| 06:29.22 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, kunal? |
| 06:29.32 | ubd | he has a purpose |
| 06:29.39 | kunal | my computer is old. i want to install debian on a system that cannot take USB, cannot take CDrom |
| 06:29.48 | kunal | only way is to take out the hard disk and install on it directly |
| 06:29.54 | [ka]killer | its posible |
| 06:29.55 | stoned | kunal, do you have an existing OS ? |
| 06:29.56 | [ka]killer | i've done it |
| 06:29.56 | comradekingu | netboot? |
| 06:30.03 | [ka]killer | been a while tho |
| 06:30.06 | kunal | yes i am on my other computer. |
| 06:30.08 | stoned | no |
| 06:30.12 | kunal | i got hte file netboot |
| 06:30.13 | stoned | on this machien you want to install debian on |
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| 06:30.20 | stoned | does this machine have an os on it? |
| 06:30.26 | kunal | and it allowed me to install debain ISO on a thumb drive n worked fine. |
| 06:30.37 | stoned | I'm not very patient tonight |
| 06:30.40 | stoned | please work with me. |
| 06:30.49 | kunal | the machine which i am trying to get debian on had an exisiting OS |
| 06:30.52 | kunal | of windows |
| 06:30.59 | stoned | does it have one now that you can use? |
| 06:31.05 | stoned | any os, doesn't matter |
| 06:31.15 | kunal | no |
| 06:31.26 | stoned | then thats going to cause a problem |
| 06:31.29 | stoned | how about floppy? |
| 06:31.29 | kunal | it wont let me enter the OS as i am using pirated. |
| 06:31.37 | kunal | floppy i dont have a drive |
| 06:31.42 | kunal | i have only a thumb drive. |
| 06:31.47 | kunal | it has usb ports. |
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| 06:32.03 | stoned | of course it does, but you are unable to boot it with your bios |
| 06:32.04 | kunal | but i think the bios is old to allow a boot up from thumb drive. |
| 06:32.12 | stoned | it might be |
| 06:32.22 | stoned | the only other solution I can present is this |
| 06:32.23 | kunal | i need a reconformation on that. so i am reading about it. |
| 06:32.39 | [ka]killer | its the livecd thats causing the problem is the only thing i can think of |
| 06:32.46 | stoned | take out the hdd from the machine, put it into a machien you have an OS on |
| 06:32.52 | kunal | yes |
| 06:32.53 | [ka]killer | it hangs on initramfs |
| 06:32.54 | kunal | i thought that too |
| 06:32.54 | stoned | if you have debian even better |
| 06:32.55 | kunal | n then? |
| 06:33.01 | stoned | ok |
| 06:33.05 | infernix | [ka]killer: debian shouldnt care about disks. what scsi controller is it |
| 06:33.07 | swolchok | trying to get festival to work with asterisk out of the box on lenny. the problem seems to be that even though festivalcommand passes 'file for MODE, festival returns the raw sound data directly instead of writing a file |
| 06:33.08 | stoned | now, make your partitions |
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| 06:33.20 | stoned | kunal, after making partitions and formatting them |
| 06:33.22 | swolchok | asterisk is making the classic "Spawn extension (inbound, 287, 5) exited non-zero" complaint |
| 06:33.27 | stoned | kunal, do grub-install on that hdd |
| 06:33.27 | [ka]killer | let me force him to join here so i dont have to be the middle man |
| 06:33.43 | stoned | kunal, also, after grub is installed on that disk |
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| 06:34.04 | obnauticus | Anyone here know of a good deal with only the cli on debian to stream a microphone over the internets? |
| 06:34.07 | stoned | kunal, copy the debian cd1.iso or netinst .iso file as well as copying the netboot inidrd/kernel image there |
| 06:34.17 | obnauticus | like, how do i stream line-in over the intarnets |
| 06:34.21 | Rockj | Anyone could help me figure out what is causes some mad IOload on one of my servers? :/ Im getting rather desperate and htop/top doesnt show any cpu usage, but top detects heavy iowait. |
| 06:34.28 | stoned | kunal, then configure that grub's menu.lst to load the initrd.gz and linux image you got from netboot |
| 06:34.51 | stoned | actually s |
| 06:34.51 | Rockj | How should I detect those processes who causes the io-load? |
| 06:34.51 | stoned | sorry |
| 06:34.51 | [ka]killer | the scsi controller is Adaptec AIC-7895 |
| 06:34.52 | stoned | kunal, don't get the netboot,or you can get it, but hd-media would work just as well |
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| 06:35.00 | stoned | either netboot or hd-media |
| 06:35.11 | stoned | kunal, then take out the disk, put it back into the old machine, and boot up |
| 06:35.20 | stoned | you shoulod see a grub boot selection screen |
| 06:35.36 | stoned | kunal, then simply select the entry you created that boots the hd-media installer or the netboot isntaller |
| 06:35.41 | stoned | and voila, your problem is solved |
| 06:35.52 | stoned | its a bit involved, but in yoru case, this is the only solution I can think of |
| 06:35.56 | stoned | unless someone can advise something else |
| 06:35.57 | kunal | yes. |
| 06:36.06 | kunal | unless i get an external CD reader |
| 06:36.11 | kunal | then it becomes a totally diff story. |
| 06:36.15 | stoned | yeh that will solve problems |
| 06:36.49 | kunal | give me a sec stoned. reading your solution |
| 06:37.01 | stoned | its trivial really. |
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| 06:37.42 | kunal | ok. enough of work. stoned. |
| 06:37.47 | kunal | i think i'll figure it out from here |
| 06:37.50 | kunal | thanks for the start :) |
| 06:38.28 | stoned | take out the disk. put it into a machien with a live cd or linux. make partitiosn and format them. do grub-install on that hdd. copy netboot or hd-media installer kernel linux/initrd.gz there to that hdd. configure the new grub to load that installer. copy a debian iso there or don't, your chocie of netboot or hd-media. put the hdd back in the old system. boot |
| 06:38.35 | stoned | yup |
| 06:39.35 | infernix | [ka]killer: should work. |
| 06:39.41 | infernix | Rockj: google iotop |
| 06:39.47 | [ka]killer | yeah im blaming the distro hes trying to use |
| 06:39.52 | infernix | does need some kernel options though, but works wonders |
| 06:40.09 | infernix | [ka]killer: in rare cases your scsi bus could be incorrectly terminated |
| 06:40.27 | [ka]killer | it was a working system his office was getting rid of so he grabbed it |
| 06:40.35 | [ka]killer | netfinity 5000 system if im not mistaken |
| 06:40.44 | [ka]killer | has win 2k server on it |
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| 06:40.47 | [ka]killer | well had |
| 06:40.57 | [ka]killer | he swapped out the 9g drives in it for 18.5g drives |
| 06:41.17 | infernix | well then if he misconfigured the jumpers, it might very well be a termination issue |
| 06:41.26 | infernix | or same scsi ids or whatever |
| 06:41.35 | [ka]killer | they are all on channel B |
| 06:41.39 | Rockj | infernix: yeah, checking it out but it takes forever to apt-get it on that box..sighs |
| 06:41.53 | Rockj | infernix: load spikes up to 30 :S |
| 06:41.58 | infernix | Rockj: oh its apt-getable? nice |
| 06:42.05 | Rockj | yeah, since lenny. |
| 06:42.07 | Rockj | :) |
| 06:42.38 | Rockj | and damnit, the server is still running etch. pain in the ass |
| 06:43.01 | [ka]killer | lol |
| 06:43.21 | Rockj | that took me 8min to wait for answer on apt.. hehe. |
| 06:43.37 | [ka]killer | at least you got an answer |
| 06:43.43 | [ka]killer | i think the modem in our security lab died... |
| 06:43.55 | [ka]killer | took 30min to download 80b |
| 06:43.59 | [ka]killer | not even 80kb |
| 06:44.02 | [ka]killer | 80b |
| 06:44.06 | Rockj | auch. |
| 06:44.07 | stoned | but what are you people doing this debian bullshit on sunday morning? |
| 06:44.09 | stoned | what is wrong with you? |
| 06:44.14 | stoned | take a day of |
| 06:44.17 | stoned | enjoy you sunday |
| 06:44.21 | stoned | spend it with the family |
| 06:44.24 | [ka]killer | because i do my best work at 2am |
| 06:44.31 | [ka]killer | and the family is 200 miles away |
| 06:44.31 | stoned | get the fuck off irc ;) |
| 06:44.34 | stoned | awww |
| 06:44.39 | [ka]killer | cant do much with them today |
| 06:44.41 | stoned | mine is halfway across the planet |
| 06:45.00 | [ka]killer | at least you dont even have the temptation to jump in the car and drive home for the weekend |
| 06:45.07 | Rockj | Ill see if I can just change sources to lenny and do a apt-get update and apt-get install iotop :p |
| 06:45.10 | comradekingu | debian is in the unix family |
| 06:45.11 | Rockj | *hopes for the best* |
| 06:45.57 | Rockj | this can be interessting.. *grin* |
| 06:46.16 | [ka]killer | what sucks is our unix lab only has vi... |
| 06:46.22 | [ka]killer | it does not have vim or nano... |
| 06:46.25 | [ka]killer | i want to kill it |
| 06:46.30 | Rockj | Not sure if it will work, since it runs stock kernel and afaik iotop requires some special kernel stuff. |
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| 06:47.50 | Rockj | I'm screwd, maybe try to build from sources and put it into /usr/local then.. |
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| 06:50.38 | joelsolanki | Hey friends |
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| 06:51.11 | joelsolanki | i have been using CD for debian iso. but now i want to download ISO for dvd as i have buyed new. |
| 06:51.33 | joelsolanki | i m right now trying to download dvd for debian 5 but it shows me only 382 mb |
| 06:51.46 | joelsolanki | while it has to be 4.4 gb |
| 06:51.55 | joelsolanki | what is wrong ? |
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| 06:52.41 | joelsolanki | any hints plz |
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| 06:54.08 | hoxu | joelsolanki, where are you trying to download it from? Tried continuing the download (eg. wget -c)? |
| 06:55.13 | joelsolanki | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 06:55.27 | joelsolanki | i have opened above url in my browser. |
| 06:55.45 | joelsolanki | there it shows 4.4 GB DVD but when i click it, it shows me 382 mb |
| 06:55.54 | hoxu | uh, don't use a browser to download big files |
| 06:56.15 | joelsolanki | oh ok |
| 06:56.33 | hoxu | joelsolanki, nothing wrong with those files, use something like wget to download them |
| 06:56.50 | evilGUI | bittorent works great for downloading distro isos |
| 06:57.21 | joelsolanki | ok got it. let me give it a try |
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| 07:02.14 | Rockj | infernix: im basically screwed since iotop requires kernel 2.6.20 or newer with some options enabled. yawn |
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| 07:02.56 | infernix | Rockj: my point :) |
| 07:03.02 | infernix | its really nice though. |
| 07:07.44 | Rockj | quite annoying to have no idea what is causing the load, tried restarting main services with no luck |
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| 07:11.45 | Gigantic | Hey there, please gimme a hand here... I have an excrypted partition that I have no clue how to mount, it was created with another Linux, but now I have Debian in it... |
| 07:12.20 | Gigantic | how do I set it up? I was prompted at boot for passwd, I've installed the crypto services |
| 07:12.32 | Gigantic | and all I remembember is it was something about a LUKS |
| 07:13.57 | Rockj | try cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/device some-name |
| 07:14.15 | Rockj | should propt you for a password that you should enter to be able to unlock your LUKS volume |
| 07:14.29 | Rockj | afterwards you should be able to mount /dev/mapper/some-name I guess |
| 07:15.34 | Rockj | you might need to modprobe dm_crypt first. type dmsetup targets to confirm that crypt is loaded. |
| 07:16.29 | Rockj | Gigantic: understand? |
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| 07:21.58 | Ace2017-_ | is there a simpler way to grep 'a' or 'b' other use regexp to? |
| 07:22.13 | M4d3L | hi. how I can share a folder with windows? |
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| 07:23.00 | Ace2017-_ | M4d3L: you use samba |
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| 07:24.29 | Gigantic | Rockj: yep, srry busy around |
| 07:24.41 | Gigantic | ty i'll try in 10 mins :) |
| 07:25.42 | Rockj | Gigantic: I wrote some personal notes on my own blogg about it, when I setup my usb pen drive on ubuntu. Should be the same stuff for debian. http://www.roysindre.no/a/2008/11/25/encrypting-your-usb-pen-drive-with-luks/ |
| 07:25.52 | Rockj | Its getting 8.30am here so I'm heading to bed ^^; |
| 07:26.14 | Rockj | *hopes server load gets better at 14 or I need to do rambo teching again* |
| 07:26.28 | M4d3L | Ace2017-_: my problem is a little more complex I thing. its for the iphone. it doesnt have samba. I jailbreaked it and it look like to be base on debian. my iphone have a usb cable. anyway I can active the disk to be readable on windows? like a usb stick? |
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| 07:27.53 | timewriter | hi |
| 07:28.02 | timewriter | is netinstall better than downloading all 5 dvd iso ? |
| 07:28.10 | timewriter | i want to try debian 5 |
| 07:28.10 | Ace2017-_ | M4d3L: the iphone is not based on debian, its based on osx |
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| 07:28.45 | M4d3L | yeah but it use debian package no? |
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| 07:28.54 | Ace2017-_ | timewriter: yes, without a doubt, unless you have network issues, or you screw up your install (as i've done in the past) |
| 07:29.02 | Ace2017-_ | M4d3L: ... no |
| 07:29.20 | timewriter | no , its ok |
| 07:29.23 | Ace2017-_ | M4d3L: can you ask all that in ##iphone please? |
| 07:29.29 | timewriter | but i wonder how good are the local mirrors |
| 07:30.08 | M4d3L | it make 1 mount I ask it there lol you will never see anyone anwsering! |
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| 07:30.14 | M4d3L | month* |
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| 07:31.15 | Ace2017-_ | timewriter: they should be good, and you do have the option to choose a mirror, and its always easier to download and install the small netinstall disk than to download the first dvd which would take a lot longer |
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| 07:32.13 | timewriter | ok |
| 07:32.16 | timewriter | im burning it |
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| 07:32.35 | unop | Ace2017-_, you want to 'grep' something without using regular expressions? |
| 07:32.45 | timewriter | i was waiting for a new debian distro for a long time |
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| 07:35.30 | timewriter | i wonder how it will work on my pentium 3 laptop |
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| 07:36.49 | karsten | timewriter: Depends on what you install. Simple desktop or shell, fine. GNOME/KDE: molassas |
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| 07:37.06 | timewriter | gnome |
| 07:37.11 | timewriter | but ubuntu workd fine |
| 07:37.11 | karsten | timewriter: PIII is mostly small server class these days -- file/print |
| 07:37.24 | karsten | timewriter: Fuggedaboudit |
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| 07:37.53 | timewriter | i will see |
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| 07:38.31 | karsten | timewriter: I believe GNOME's made sme attempts at performance optimizing, but you're talking what -- 7 year old hardware? |
| 07:38.53 | timewriter | if ubuntu works , debian must work too , its not as bloated as ubuntu |
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| 07:39.03 | timewriter | i have 1 Gb of ram |
| 07:39.03 | timewriter | :) |
| 07:39.12 | karsten | timewriter: windowmaker, xfce4 (maybe),fluxbox, openbox, icewm are among the lighter window managers. |
| 07:39.23 | timewriter | but i like gnome |
| 07:39.31 | karsten | timewriter: Your performance will be much more governed by what you run than which distro. |
| 07:39.51 | timewriter | im bot about performance on this laptop |
| 07:39.54 | timewriter | not* |
| 07:40.01 | timewriter | pidgin and firefox :) |
| 07:40.11 | karsten | timewriter: *shrug*. I've run PIII HW, and I'm pretty familiar with what sort of performance it entails. |
| 07:40.44 | karsten | timewriter: That's pretty much a worst-case scenario. Why don't you kick in beale while you're at it. |
| 07:40.53 | karsten | erm, beagle. |
| 07:41.09 | timewriter | why do i need beagle ? |
| 07:41.22 | karsten | timewriter: Final nail in the coffin. |
| 07:41.28 | timewriter | heh |
| 07:41.32 | timewriter | nah , its ok |
| 07:41.44 | timewriter | 1 Gb of ram and a 1 ghz cpu will handle those |
| 07:41.45 | karsten | timewriter: beagle: proven to suck the last ounce of performance out of a system. |
| 07:42.52 | timewriter | this laptop must just stay on , with idle on pidgin |
| 07:42.54 | timewriter | thats all |
| 07:43.02 | timewriter | and i cant stand ubuntu |
| 07:43.23 | eap | timewriter: have you tried xfce ? |
| 07:43.32 | timewriter | no , i think i dont like it |
| 07:43.35 | timewriter | ive seen screenshots |
| 07:44.14 | timewriter | what is the main debian mirror ? |
| 07:44.32 | stoned | !mirror |
| 07:44.32 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 07:44.40 | timewriter | thank you |
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| 07:44.54 | stoned | !dpkgbo |
| 07:44.56 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 07:44.56 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 07:45.10 | timewriter | i got the netherlands one |
| 07:45.23 | Hyphenex | Gday, I downloaded the debian 4.0 R7 al CD image but I can't seem to boot from it |
| 07:45.36 | pythonstarter | What should I put in the first line of the script so that it runs portably across Linuxes? I saw things like "#! /bin/env python", but what if env is not in /bin, as in Debian? |
| 07:45.59 | timewriter | does xfce have a osx dock like start menu ? |
| 07:46.17 | stoned | ask in #xfce |
| 07:46.18 | stoned | :) |
| 07:46.26 | timewriter | ive seen this http://www.freesbie.org/share/1.1/manual/xfce.png |
| 07:46.34 | stoned | if it works on gnome, it will work in xfce |
| 07:46.44 | timewriter | no , i dont want that dock |
| 07:47.05 | timewriter | anyway , gnome its on the way already |
| 07:47.36 | stoned | there are a bunch for kde |
| 07:47.47 | stoned | I don't use gnome, hate gnome dunno nothing bout gnome |
| 07:47.50 | stoned | word. |
| 07:48.35 | timewriter | i like gnome :) |
| 07:48.37 | timewriter | simple |
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| 07:52.34 | enouf | karsten: a) fbset http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-16.html and b) vesafb-tng http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/vesafb-tng/ .. which refers everyone to the newer "uvesafb" in the kernel .. since ~.24? |
| 07:53.05 | kj4 | timewriter, i prefer gnome as well, but now I run xfce everywhere |
| 07:53.09 | enouf | see /Documentation/fb/* ;-) |
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| 07:54.27 | Gigantic | Rockj: good :) |
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| 07:54.31 | enouf | pythonstarter: /usr/bin/env |
| 07:54.31 | alkisg | To see Greek in console, I have to run `consolechars -f iso07.f16`. Is there some way to make this the default setting? (other than run it in .bashrc) |
| 07:54.55 | enouf | pythonstarter: don't ask me details though :-P |
| 07:55.20 | enouf | at0m|werk: boottime.keymap.gz ? |
| 07:55.33 | enouf | !listvals bootime.keymap.gz ? |
| 07:55.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bootime.keymap.gz ?' by value returned no results. |
| 07:55.36 | enouf | crap |
| 07:55.39 | enouf | !listvals bootime.keymap.gz |
| 07:55.41 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bootime.keymap.gz' by value returned no results. |
| 07:56.07 | kj4 | of testing and unstable, is testing the one I'd have better luck running as a desktop? |
| 07:56.10 | enouf | goes off to take spelling lessons and play with the bot in msg |
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| 07:56.37 | Ace2017-_ | Anyone know where i can get a good set of examples for regexp i can't get gprep to find lines with either 'Building' or 'Error' |
| 07:56.57 | Ace2017-_ | i can find lines with Building and Error, but not Building or Error :( |
| 07:57.19 | karsten | Ace2017-_: egrep '(Building|Error)' |
| 07:57.45 | karsten | Ace2017-_: man regex(7) |
| 07:57.58 | karsten | splits |
| 07:58.14 | Ace2017-_ | thanks |
| 07:59.04 | enouf | alkisg: actually, man loadkeys for Console, man setxkbmap for X ; but perhaps the pkgs console-tools and console-data can help - install / dpkg-reconfigure -- with loadkeys, yes, you need run it somehow on each boot |
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| 08:01.33 | enouf | alkisg: or, you can customize your /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz file - ahh .. just to Display them? hrm .. er, /msg dpkg locales and add as many as you like, ensure fonts are installed .. hrm |
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| 08:03.15 | Ace2017-_ | grep build.log --regexp='(Building|Error)' gets me nothing, but grep build.log --regexp={Building,Error} |
| 08:03.25 | Ace2017-_ | oh i have to use egrep |
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| 08:06.56 | negge | I run my own custom made kernel on my laptop which basically has as much as possible stripped out. I installed TrueCrypt but noticed that I can only mount the partitions when I use the stock kernel. Which configuration option do I have to enable to include support for these encrypted filesystems? |
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| 08:08.52 | alkisg | enouf: the fonts and locales _are_ installed, but to "select" them I have to run consolechars -f. In Ubuntu I used to do: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, but it's not install in my Lenny, and there's no /etc/default/console-setup file... :( |
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| 08:10.55 | Hyphenex | Hey, I found http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian/ but I can't find the net install image on it |
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| 08:12.11 | enouf | !find console-setup |
| 08:12.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'console-setup' (2): (/usr/share/doc/console-setup-mini/examples/console-setup) in utils/console-setup-mini ;; (/etc/init.d/console-setup, /usr/share/lintian/overrides/console-setup, /usr/share/doc/console-setup/examples/console-setup) in utils/console-setup. |
| 08:13.20 | Ace2017-_ | negge: stripping down the kernel is only useful when you are tight on space |
| 08:13.24 | obnauticus | Is anyone here good at setting up audio streams in linux? |
| 08:13.26 | obnauticus | RTSP-ish |
| 08:13.31 | obnauticus | a real time one :\ |
| 08:13.38 | alkisg | Hmmm... I have /etc/init.d/console-screen, but not console-setup... |
| 08:14.13 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/console-setup/filelist is console-setup pkg installed? |
| 08:14.19 | Hyphenex | finally found an ISO image, if I download an iso image from here, can I install it onto my PC? |
| 08:14.22 | Hyphenex | http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian-cd/5.0.0-live/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:14.23 | enouf | read all relevant docs/examples/man pages |
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| 08:14.37 | alkisg | enouf: is it needed? or does Debian use console-screen? |
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| 08:15.06 | enouf | alkisg: i wouldn't know for sure without reading them all either |
| 08:15.36 | enouf | !live |
| 08:15.36 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org) |
| 08:15.50 | alkisg | Ah, I think I found it, maybe it uses console-tools (/etc/console-tools/config), testing... :) |
| 08:15.51 | enouf | !debian-live |
| 08:15.52 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org) |
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| 08:16.11 | enouf | alkisg: silly me - i forgot to mention that dir/files |
| 08:19.26 | alkisg | enouf: that did the trick, thanks! |
| 08:20.09 | enouf | cool |
| 08:20.11 | negge | Ace2017-_: I'm doing it mainly to learn how to do it |
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| 08:21.22 | Hyphenex | I can't manage to get this damn CD to boot :( |
| 08:22.06 | timewriter | installation stuck |
| 08:22.15 | timewriter | at retrieving file 809 of 809 |
| 08:22.24 | liable | thats teh suck |
| 08:22.32 | Ace2017-_ | negge: so can you modprobe the modules? |
| 08:22.43 | liable | timewriter: wait for it to fail, it wont redownload the whole lot |
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| 08:22.50 | timewriter | ok |
| 08:23.00 | timewriter | i wonder what file 809 is |
| 08:23.06 | Ace2017-_ | Hyphenex: what CD? |
| 08:23.11 | liable | timewriter: it''l go back and start again, bit it wont redownload them all |
| 08:23.20 | timewriter | i cant cancel it |
| 08:23.30 | liable | timewriter: it can take a while to timeout |
| 08:23.35 | timewriter | ok |
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| 08:23.38 | timewriter | im waiting |
| 08:24.20 | simonrvn | you could try with wget -c too |
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| 08:24.34 | simonrvn | (means continue) |
| 08:25.11 | timewriter | i guess i will download the dvd |
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| 08:27.07 | timewriter | why are there 5 dvds ? |
| 08:27.33 | liable | !overfiends phallace |
| 08:27.42 | liable | meh |
| 08:28.08 | timewriter | do i need them all ? |
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| 08:28.27 | liable | no |
| 08:29.20 | timewriter | ok , 20 mins and i have the first dvd |
| 08:29.28 | timewriter | cant get more than 3.5 mb/sec |
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| 08:41.57 | Lukemob | hi, each time I start up apache2 deamon it asks me for a password of RSA used in SSL certificate.. how can I cross that, so it wont ask again |
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| 08:44.54 | simonrvn | remove it. openssl command line can do that... google it. |
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| 08:51.33 | YuLiansu | Hello. 1) in debian is there a way to enclose a jpeg image into a tiff image, losslessly? 2) if asked in wrong place, where should I ask this? |
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| 09:00.41 | liable | YuLiansu: i would imagine, the gimp guys would be the people to ask |
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| 09:02.00 | Lukemob | simonrvn, doesn't Debian set a chmod to system folders? |
| 09:02.08 | Lukemob | while installation-- |
| 09:02.17 | liable | hmm, i hope he knows what gimp is, and didnt take that some other way.. :) |
| 09:02.59 | obnauticus | wut |
| 09:03.01 | obnauticus | sox gives me segfault |
| 09:03.02 | obnauticus | :\ |
| 09:03.44 | Lukemob | my users can easily move to /etc/ and read/copy whatever they like |
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| 09:05.38 | simonrvn | Lukemob: yes... you scrwed something up |
| 09:06.14 | Lukemob | :/ |
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| 09:07.10 | Lukemob | do you know any way to restore it back? except reinstalling the system |
| 09:07.22 | simonrvn | and do NOT use -R to chmod it. they aren't all the same. |
| 09:07.29 | menbary | hi, does exists 'blueman' (bluetooth utilite) for Lenny? |
| 09:07.32 | simonrvn | chmod/chown |
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| 09:07.45 | simonrvn | !tell menbary -about search |
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| 09:08.32 | Lukemob | simonrvn, sure dude, I know.. |
| 09:08.34 | YuLiansu | Hi. Quite off-topic but an English question: can i say "codes" for software program? |
| 09:08.47 | YuLiansu | I only saw people use "code" and though this word doesn't have pulral form. |
| 09:08.54 | YuLiansu | plural form. |
| 09:09.05 | simonrvn | ok. i say that because i don't know who i'm dealing with :) |
| 09:09.21 | simonrvn | codes? not for s/w |
| 09:09.43 | YuLiansu | simonrvn: I thought it can be meant for software? "rent a coder" for example |
| 09:10.09 | simonrvn | no, "codes". i'm replying to your question.... |
| 09:10.41 | YuLiansu | simonrvn: oh, you mean "codes" can be used, e.g. other purpose, like encrypted message, but code can mean programm source, right? |
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| 09:11.22 | simonrvn | i've never seen "codes" used for software, unless one were doing crypto or something. |
| 09:11.29 | YuLiansu | simonrvn: so can I say, e.g. "tons of code was introduced in the new release" or "tons of code were introduced in the new release"? |
| 09:12.05 | simonrvn | i'd say tonnes of code, but that's me, tons or tonnes is fine |
| 09:12.11 | YuLiansu | simonrvn: is it a plural noun, like "people" as in "people are free", or a non-countable-noun, like "water is flooding"? |
| 09:12.13 | jackweb | Hello! Some packages with sources don't have the configure file. How to set --prefix= in this case? |
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| 09:12.25 | simonrvn | used in that context yes |
| 09:12.41 | YuLiansu | simonrvn: is it a plural noun, like "people" as in "people are free", or a non-countable-noun, like "water is flooding"? notice the difference on the be-word. |
| 09:12.42 | simonrvn | like any language, you have to look at context. |
| 09:13.05 | simonrvn | latter |
| 09:13.18 | YuLiansu | simonrvn: ok thanks. |
| 09:13.24 | simonrvn | your "be-word" is called a verb |
| 09:13.27 | Lukemob | simonrvn, dpkg-statoverride .. |
| 09:13.27 | enouf | jackweb: debian sources? see debian/{rules,control} |
| 09:13.29 | Lukemob | Definition: dpkg-statoverride: override ownership and mode of files |
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| 09:13.48 | simonrvn | Lukemob: seriously? that's what screwed it up? |
| 09:14.01 | simonrvn | i know what it does ;) |
| 09:14.03 | Lukemob | not really, i've found it out on google to restore it back :-) |
| 09:14.05 | jackweb | enouf: I mean any source I can get from for example gnu.org. |
| 09:14.20 | enouf | tons were / a ton was |
| 09:14.24 | simonrvn | that util doesn't have all of /etc i don't think. but try. |
| 09:15.01 | Lukemob | simonrvn, could you recommend me something pls dude |
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| 09:15.10 | enouf | jackweb: if it has no configure; a) use what INSTALL and README say ; b) play with automake/autoconf and make one |
| 09:15.51 | simonrvn | Lukemob: unless you had a copy of the perms and ownership already (i.e. backups), i can't. |
| 09:15.55 | jackweb | Thanks, but I have never played with automake/autoconf. I have to learn it. :) |
| 09:16.32 | Lukemob | uhmm, not really :-) |
| 09:16.47 | Lukemob | simonrvn, do you think that app could do it? |
| 09:17.04 | Lukemob | at least, help me at least a bit? |
| 09:17.09 | simonrvn | it has a database, on your system, consult it |
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| 09:18.05 | jackweb | enouf: ./Build -C /opt/ may be OK? |
| 09:18.16 | Trewas | Lukemob: stuff in /etc is (mostly) world readable by default, with some exceptions like /etc/shadow |
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| 09:19.14 | Lukemob | Trewas, uhmm ok. But I'm not sure if the system would allow users to read eg. SSL certificates or any important files |
| 09:21.04 | Trewas | Lukemob: you'll have to create ssl certificates yourself anyway so taking care of their proper permissions is not handled by package management system |
| 09:21.47 | Lukemob | Trewas, that's true mate. Just.. do I have to set the proper permission for every file/dir I need to protect? |
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| 09:22.36 | Trewas | Lukemob: yes |
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| 09:22.54 | Lukemob | Trewas, okey then. Thanks all for help |
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| 09:24.16 | nathan_ | hello gents, trying to muck out raid on my new to me proliant server with 4 scsi disks.. did a bit of googlin, but still not getting it right |
| 09:24.46 | nathan_ | also at a loss of how to utilize multiple cpu's |
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| 09:24.52 | DragoraN | hi all |
| 09:25.06 | Durangos | hi |
| 09:25.15 | DragoraN | is it possible that installing xen on lenny somehow disabled /etc/network/interfaces settings? |
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| 09:25.28 | DragoraN | my eth0 could not come up, i need to do ifup manually |
| 09:25.31 | nathan_ | yo DragoraN |
| 09:25.43 | Lukemob | DragoraN, if you do ifup.. do you get any errors? |
| 09:25.54 | nathan_ | What are you using Xen for? I've found it spotty at best |
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| 09:26.25 | DragoraN | Lukemob: no, everything is ok |
| 09:26.40 | DragoraN | nathan_: what is xen used for :) |
| 09:26.57 | Lukemob | you just said it.. |
| 09:27.41 | DragoraN | never mind |
| 09:27.49 | DragoraN | any idea with the eth? |
| 09:28.18 | nathan_ | did you look in the .conf file to see what etho calls there are there? A wag, but might be a start |
| 09:29.13 | DragoraN | which conf |
| 09:29.43 | nathan_ | think I've got the lvm/raid issue sorted with this re install. But does anyone know if lenny will see both procs on install? Last install cat /proc/cpuinfo only showed one |
| 09:29.46 | DragoraN | i have missing auto eth0 :)) sorry |
| 09:30.14 | nathan_ | like I said wag here DragoraN.. but I would think it would be in /etc/xen/ |
| 09:30.19 | Lukemob | nathan_, both cpu's should be there I think.. |
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| 09:31.10 | nathan_ | damn near on par with my dual core workstation |
| 09:31.12 | Internat | anyone here ever built custom modules for proftpd? im trying to build in mod_vroot and package it, but for some reason i cant |
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| 09:32.17 | nathan_ | nadda here Internat.. As soon as I get this RAID sorted on my sever have to get OpenVNC up and working right |
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| 09:33.17 | Internat | prods frankie. Hopefully frankie can help since their the package maintainer.. i used to easily be able to do it under etch.. somethings changed in lenny and its not building nicely. |
| 09:33.49 | nathan_ | Lenny is all I can get on this proliant without errors |
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| 09:34.06 | nathan_ | not that I'm complaining as long as I can get my issues sorted |
| 09:34.08 | Internat | ah ok |
| 09:34.23 | Internat | yeah im not hugely complaining, i just want vroot support in proftpd.. and it doesnt appear to be packaging the damm thing. |
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| 09:34.59 | nathan_ | ugh, have you grabbed source and tried a manual compile? I know that sucks, but sometimes that is all you can do |
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| 09:35.23 | Internat | thats what im doing |
| 09:35.46 | Internat | normally i just copy the mod_vroot.c into the modules folder, add it to the build list.. then do dpkg-buildpackage and volia. |
| 09:35.50 | nathan_ | ek, sorry to hear that.. Makes me remember my slackware days.. |
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| 09:36.20 | nathan_ | that's what I would think.. At the worst a make, make install |
| 09:36.42 | nathan_ | pia.. but learning is a good thing, and it's not wincrap.. so meh. it's all relative |
| 09:37.05 | Internat | nah i need to package it. so i can deploy to multiple servers easily |
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| 09:38.01 | nathan_ | same here.. Need to figure this out with this server.. Have one @ home for personal use, but have to do it @ uni on multiple machines for a midterm. |
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| 09:45.53 | honschu | Hi, I'm searching for a command-line tool to analyze the file-open-close behaviour of another program. |
| 09:46.52 | enouf | honschu: strace? |
| 09:48.00 | honschu | yes, I just found it ;-) |
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| 09:49.16 | enouf | honschu: something like maybe "strace -etrace=open,close -o logfile program_you_want_to_monitor" |
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| 09:53.17 | enouf | honschu: install manpages-dev pkg, see also ltrace (for libs) and /msg dpkg strace |
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| 10:10.49 | Jemt | Hi. Can someone tell me where the 'find' cron job is located on Lenny? It is not in /etc/cron.daily as it was on Etch |
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| 10:14.33 | Lukemob | Jemt, why don't you just do: crontab -e |
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| 10:15.11 | timewriter | well |
| 10:15.15 | timewriter | debian 5 ownz ubuntu |
| 10:15.27 | Jemt | Lukemob: I can't do that right now, it's not a running system. I have mounted the installation on a secondary computer |
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| 10:16.55 | Internat | stupid question, can anyone remind me what the first s in drwsrws--- means again? |
| 10:17.16 | at0m|werk | sticky? |
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| 10:17.28 | Lukemob | Jemt, try then have a look in: /etc/cron.daily/standard |
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| 10:17.36 | Internat | well thats what i thought, but i didnt think you could have sticky on the user, only the group. |
| 10:17.37 | Jemt | Lukemob: Thank you, will do that :) |
| 10:18.06 | at0m|werk | Internat: it goes on anything, as long as it's a directory |
| 10:18.15 | Internat | ah ok |
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| 10:18.36 | Internat | umm and one more question.. whats the octal to set a directory to that same thing? |
| 10:18.50 | at0m|werk | man chmod |
| 10:19.00 | at0m|werk | i dont know |
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| 10:19.32 | Twixboy_ | User: hi Password: leute |
| 10:19.33 | Twixboy_ | USer: hi Password: leute |
| 10:19.33 | Twixboy_ | User: hi Password: leute |
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| 10:19.42 | Twixboy_ | User: hi Password: leute |
| 10:19.50 | Twixboy_ | USer: hi Password: leute |
| 10:19.52 | Twixboy_ | User: hI Password: leute |
| 10:19.54 | Twixboy_ | User: hi Password: leute |
| 10:19.56 | Twixboy_ | USer: hi Password: leute |
| 10:19.56 | at0m|werk | kickban! |
| 10:19.58 | Twixboy_ | User: hi Password: leute |
| 10:20.04 | Twixboy_ | USer: hi Password: leute |
| 10:20.05 | Internat | !ops Twixboy_ |
| 10:20.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: internat complains about: Twixboy_ |
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| 10:21.47 | awilcox | How do I extract a .deb file to a directory without actually installing it? |
| 10:22.16 | liable | awilcox: dpkg -x |
| 10:22.48 | awilcox | This is going to sound like a weird question, but how do I run dpkg on ArchLinux? |
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| 10:23.03 | benley | awilcox: debs are ar archives |
| 10:23.12 | awilcox | benley: ahhhhhh okay |
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| 10:23.20 | benley | awilcox: you can probably use gnu ar to unpack them. BSD ar is better (oddly enough) |
| 10:23.26 | myeggo | hello, how can i turn on a computer via lan? i have enabled wake on lan but i dont know what program i can use |
| 10:23.37 | liable | awilcox: it is weird, because you do it like on debian.. with dpkg on the command line. |
| 10:23.52 | liable | arch is a deb based distro innit? |
| 10:24.05 | awilcox | benley: ar x worked \o/ |
| 10:24.05 | at0m|werk | myeggo: does your _hardware_ support WOL? |
| 10:24.07 | Ace2017-_ | myeggo: its called wakeonlan |
| 10:24.11 | benley | awilcox: yay |
| 10:24.14 | awilcox | liable: it uses pacman. |
| 10:24.17 | myeggo | at0m|werk: yes |
| 10:24.23 | myeggo | thank you Ace2017-_ |
| 10:24.25 | awilcox | benley: however I don't see xen.patch in linux-patches :( |
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| 10:24.56 | liable | get the source of the deb for the patch |
| 10:25.24 | awilcox | well according to the wiki this is linux-patch-debian-2.6.26_2.6.26-13_all.deb |
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| 10:25.47 | awilcox | therefore I downloaded that and extracted it, but now do not see it in /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.26/debian/debian/ :( |
| 10:26.13 | at0m|werk | awilcox: http://www.google.cz/search?q=extract+.deb+file first link already shows some methods |
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| 10:26.48 | awilcox | I see some powerpc and ata driver patches, but no xen. |
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| 10:28.38 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 10:28.56 | aaaaa | tolong |
| 10:29.00 | Rapp | whats the meta-package for basic development tools, and for compiling kernel modules (i.e. linux headers) |
| 10:29.06 | Rapp | ? |
| 10:29.09 | awilcox | Rapp: build-essential |
| 10:29.13 | Rapp | awilcox, thanks |
| 10:29.15 | awilcox | Rapp: linux-kernel-headers IIRC |
| 10:29.44 | Rapp | thanks |
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| 10:30.16 | enouf | Rapp: install also devscripts and fakeroot |
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| 10:30.35 | enouf | maybe even libc6-dev and shit |
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| 10:31.02 | awilcox | ah, found xen patches! |
| 10:31.09 | awilcox | they were hiding in debian/all/features. |
| 10:31.14 | awilcox | thanks to all for your help. |
| 10:31.18 | enouf | Rapp: it's called linux-headers-VER, so for running kernel; linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 10:33.14 | Rapp | enouf, thanks. i also figured that out, now everything works :) |
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| 10:48.58 | Rapp | how do i install the build deps for a certain package? |
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| 10:50.31 | abra | Howdy! |
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| 10:54.36 | zepard | hi all |
| 10:54.42 | rdz | Rapp, apt-get build-dep packagename, i guess |
| 10:55.28 | Kevin` | when's debian 6 coming out? |
| 10:55.33 | OpenTokix | haha |
| 10:55.55 | frk2 | be happy with lenny dude |
| 10:55.56 | frk2 | :) |
| 10:56.03 | Rapp | rdz, you're right. thanks |
| 10:56.13 | Kevin` | real question though, whats the new next name? been decided? |
| 10:56.20 | timewriter | they just released 5 , Kevin` |
| 10:56.48 | frk2 | debian = rock solid. I like the 2 year release cycle |
| 10:57.04 | timewriter | i just installed it on my laptop |
| 10:57.32 | frk2 | i always use debian for a server install though- ubuntu for the desktop :P I dont mind if my desktop breaks every now and then :P |
| 10:57.42 | OpenTokix | Kevin`: Next is named squeeze |
| 10:57.51 | OpenTokix | Kevin`: Release date TBA |
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| 10:58.23 | frk2 | man- we have a small opensource project and management of that only is a nightmare. I only wonder what it takes for distributions like debian to keep their act together :) |
| 10:58.42 | OpenTokix | frk2: Hard liqour |
| 10:58.48 | OpenTokix | and lots of it |
| 10:59.00 | OpenTokix | frk2: and Kevin` whipping them into shape |
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| 10:59.54 | abra | Can anybody explain me how to configure banshee via proxy? |
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| 11:01.08 | frk2 | OpenTokix, maybe :) |
| 11:02.00 | frk2 | im a beer guy |
| 11:02.34 | frk2 | how many guys total in debian, btw? |
| 11:02.41 | frk2 | and any full time? |
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| 11:04.48 | enouf | ^fives OpenTokix |
| 11:05.01 | OpenTokix | enouf: =) |
| 11:05.04 | OpenTokix | enouf: hi |
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| 11:07.30 | broadcaster | hi. does anybody else experience akregator crashes with v. 1.2.9? |
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| 11:08.29 | broadcaster | on my system it crashes on start. |
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| 11:08.44 | broadcaster | strace's it, but couldn't find anything obvious |
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| 11:11.02 | stanleysmith | lo |
| 11:11.04 | shai_hulud | hi. can you suggest any webcams that would work out of the box under debian? |
| 11:12.29 | stanleysmith | is it possible to customize DIFF command output by insterting the line number in front of each modified line ? |
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| 11:15.03 | sdoq | hi! how will i uninstall red5? i'm having these errors. http://pastebin.com/m7dea39f5 |
| 11:15.15 | plsd | Is there a way to change everything in 'locale' to swedish and still keep Debian english language? I'm trying to get Evolution to use 24 hour clock and after doing the command locale I noticed everything is en_US there, Only the clock is really bothering me right now but might as well change it all right? |
| 11:16.24 | zepard | stanleysmith: vidiff? |
| 11:16.35 | sdoq | i'm having this when i uninstall red5 E: red5: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 11:17.09 | stanleysmith | zepard: I dont know vidiff. looking for this on google ty |
| 11:17.52 | zepard | stanleysmith: it depends on if you wish only to analyze,or reuse the output! |
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| 11:19.13 | stanleysmith | zepard: actually I just need to analyze it and send it via email to someone. Before sending it i want to modify its general aspect, to make things more clearer |
| 11:19.31 | zepard | ah |
| 11:19.50 | obnauticus | Err, im having an interesting problem with my sound card |
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| 11:20.07 | obnauticus | it says the device is busy, which i can understand, however is a data application and it is not full duplex |
| 11:20.16 | stanleysmith | zepard, do you know the standard output format of diff ? |
| 11:20.22 | obnauticus | like, i have a two-way radio plugged into the mic/spk |
| 11:20.36 | obnauticus | however, i am using an application to listen to the radio, and another application to talk on the radio |
| 11:20.44 | obnauticus | i obviously cannot talk and listen on the physical two-way radio it's self |
| 11:20.52 | obnauticus | however is there a way to get the sound to let me do it? |
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| 11:21.21 | Fax6ki | hello |
| 11:21.24 | zepard | stanleysmith: standard? you make format as you wish |
| 11:21.37 | zepard | stanleysmith: try this maybe that's what you want |
| 11:21.38 | stanleysmith | how ? |
| 11:21.48 | zepard | stanleysmith: diff --line-format='%3dn %L' |
| 11:21.57 | zepard | file1 file2 |
| 11:21.57 | stanleysmith | let me test that :) |
| 11:22.13 | obnauticus | i.e. more than one application access my sound card i/o |
| 11:22.17 | Fax6ki | french user of debian here ? |
| 11:22.20 | zepard | stanleysmith: i found it in a forum |
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| 11:23.08 | zepard | stanleysmith: but the unified foramt is more practical for dev I think |
| 11:23.12 | Fax6ki | ( I ve a bug ... when I don't know if it's bug in fact ) |
| 11:23.13 | zepard | stanleysmith: diff -u |
| 11:23.21 | stanleysmith | wow ! zepard, that rocks ! |
| 11:23.43 | stanleysmith | it puts the line numbers just like I want :D |
| 11:23.45 | Janoff | hi im looking for a html editor like nvu/kompozer but which dont mess in code |
| 11:23.58 | zepard | stanleysmith: I prefer the -u option |
| 11:24.17 | zepard | stanleysmith: it gives you the line numbers too |
| 11:25.20 | Fax6ki | bye |
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| 11:25.59 | sdoq | anyone knows how to remove red5 on debian? |
| 11:26.06 | sdoq | Extend: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 11:26.19 | sdoq | i'm always having these |
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| 11:29.31 | simonrvn | red5? |
| 11:29.34 | celeritas | Whenever I hit caps lock, the mouse seems to freeze |
| 11:30.06 | celeritas | sometimes, it blocks all input completely! |
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| 11:31.51 | celeritas | does anyone have some sort of plausible explanation? |
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| 11:32.29 | kj4 | anyone here run squeeze on a laptop? |
| 11:32.56 | celeritas | okay, numlock seems to cause the same exact behavior |
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| 11:33.27 | frk2 | celeritas, thats the weirdest problem ive heard of by far. is this a USB keyboard? |
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| 11:33.42 | celeritas | frk2: it's this bug, only in Linux: http://kerneltrap.org/index.php?q=mailarchive/freebsd-hackers/2008/5/27/1948324 |
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| 11:33.58 | celeritas | yes, it's a USB keyboard, and I can't change it out without ripping this laptop apart |
| 11:34.08 | celeritas | it could be an X bug, but I doubt it |
| 11:34.40 | celeritas | eep, getting kernel errors like crazy while out of X but no freezes. let me (somehow) pastebin them |
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| 11:35.06 | enouf | evdev? |
| 11:35.19 | celeritas | could be. but it's psmouse that's sending the messages |
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| 11:35.41 | enouf | mouses have caps locks and numpads? |
| 11:35.53 | celeritas | http://www.pastie.org/396585 |
| 11:36.05 | celeritas | psmouse.c is reporting the messages. I'm not touching the mouse |
| 11:36.22 | enouf | cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 11:37.05 | celeritas | http://pastie.org/396586 |
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| 11:37.07 | enouf | i use a usb keys with usb->ps/2 adapter :-P |
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| 11:37.53 | celeritas | yeah, how the HELL can I do that? I'd have to rip this keyboard out |
| 11:38.05 | celeritas | so that means there's no hope? |
| 11:38.27 | enouf | i don't use craptops |
| 11:38.34 | enouf | too much OEM crap |
| 11:39.38 | celeritas | but honestly, how did this get into lenny? isn't it at least supposed to be "kind of" stable |
| 11:40.47 | enouf | i put it there .... to annoy you |
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| 11:41.43 | enouf | this is my laptop http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/3276475116_a97bd3b200_b.jpg |
| 11:42.09 | enouf | note how there's 2x optical drives |
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| 11:43.03 | simonrvn | enouf: heheh |
| 11:43.11 | at0m|werk | plenty heatpipe cooling |
| 11:43.12 | sdoq | simonrvn, yes, i'm having trouble uninstaling it |
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| 11:44.35 | enouf | simonrvn: ;-) |
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| 11:46.28 | celeritas | is evdev handled by the kernel at all? |
| 11:46.50 | sdoq | hi! i'm compiling an app and get this |
| 11:46.51 | sdoq | http://pastebin.com/m39760af6 |
| 11:47.24 | sdoq | i did the apt-get install automake autoconf and still having this |
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| 11:48.54 | lbt | when I run dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S how do I get it to exclude my .git heirarchy? |
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| 11:52.53 | Stanlin | Yellow |
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| 11:55.00 | superjet_busy | lbt: remove it first before build or change your rules |
| 11:55.01 | Jemt | Hi. What package manager does gnome-app-nstall use? Aptitude or apt-get? I'm asking in order to figure out whether it is going to handle dependencies properly or not |
| 11:55.58 | Stanlin | Jemt: aint aptitude and apt-get the same thing? |
| 11:56.45 | Jemt | Stanlin: Nope. They both use dpkg, but aptitude has better dependency handling |
| 11:57.10 | Jemt | Seems synaptic is using apt-get, but performing dependency handling it self too. Hmm |
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| 11:57.33 | Stanlin | Jemt: never had problems with apt-get |
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| 11:57.48 | Jemt | Stanlin: You will if you remove programs often :) |
| 11:58.04 | Jemt | I don't want all kinds of dependencies floating around on my system :) |
| 11:58.39 | craigevil | newer apt handles that with apt-get autoremove |
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| 11:59.12 | Jemt | craigevil: Is that just as efficient as the handling aptitude does ? |
| 11:59.15 | Stanlin | Jemt: this is classic, you wont have problems with apt-get if you dont mess wiht the sources.ltst |
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| 11:59.58 | Jemt | Stanlin: Removing programs on etch caused a lot of dependencies to be left behind. Hopefully this is working better on Lenny |
| 12:00.05 | Jemt | (which I have just installed) |
| 12:00.17 | craigevil | Jemt: never used aptitude so i couldnt say, but using autoremove and deborphan usually show the same thing |
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| 12:00.27 | Jemt | Now I'm just trying to figure out which graphical installer is the better one |
| 12:00.35 | Stanlin | used debian testing for 10 years without such problems on dependencies |
| 12:00.55 | Jemt | I prefer one program handling these dependencies |
| 12:01.07 | Rothgar | Anyone here good with iptables? |
| 12:01.19 | Jemt | Rothgar: Just ask the question :) |
| 12:01.53 | Rothgar | Well if I am going to deny all traffic, do I need to make a iptables rule for localhost? 127.0.0.1 to allow all traffic? |
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| 12:05.45 | lbt | superjet_busy: I was looking for info on how to change the rules.. it turns out that appending -I.git works fine. You know #debian has got to be one of the least helpful irc chans :) |
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| 12:07.01 | lbt | Rothgar: have you seen this page http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html I found it *very* useful. |
| 12:07.06 | mramish | i heard about an automated script to install nvidia drivers into debian. Somebody knows the name?? |
| 12:08.06 | Jemt | mramish: Installing the nVidia drivers is pretty simple. The configuration is a bit harder, but not that bad really |
| 12:08.27 | craigevil | mramish: www.smxi.org its not a #debian supported script though, but it does work well |
| 12:08.30 | Jemt | !tell mramish about nvidia |
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| 12:10.13 | mramish | !tell Jemt Thx ill try that, hope it works for me^^ |
| 12:10.24 | Stanlin | craigevil: what is smxi? |
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| 12:12.42 | craigevil | Stanlin: an all in one script (actual a set of scripts) for doing dist-upgrade, installing nvidia/ati drivers, installing vmware/virtualbox and a few other things |
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| 12:13.56 | hid3 | Hello everyone. My ethernet card (eth0) has 2 public IP addresses. However, I'd like to swap so that the secondary IP adress becomes primary and the primary becomes secondary. How can I do that without interrupting the network work and without loosing a remote (ssh) connection? |
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| 12:15.30 | Stanlin | hid3: not possible in my experience |
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| 12:17.35 | hid3 | Ah. That's the answer I expected but didn't want to hear. Well, seems like another night when I'll have to wake up at is comming :-) |
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| 12:21.02 | asdzxc | hi |
| 12:21.10 | asdzxc | how can i get binutils 2.18 to Etch ? |
| 12:21.26 | HSNews | how to list installed packages? |
| 12:21.58 | hid3 | asdzxc: lenny is out, you should upgrade. binutils is 2.18 there. |
| 12:22.16 | asdzxc | hid3 i can't just upgrade, it's production server |
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| 12:22.58 | asdzxc | i just need binutils >= 2.18 |
| 12:23.00 | hid3 | upgrade isn't painful. I did that on all my servers and it just took a few moments of downtime for a few services (bind, samba, mysql, apache) |
| 12:23.26 | jintxo | HSNews, dpkg -l | grep ^ii or even dpkg --get-selections "*", both should give you the list, in different formats |
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| 12:23.40 | HSNews | thank you! |
| 12:23.50 | temoto-mobi | Hello. Where iptables are usually kept in lenny? |
| 12:24.01 | hid3 | /sbin/iptables? |
| 12:24.06 | temoto-mobi | no, rules |
| 12:24.08 | HSNews | and.. question: If I compile and intall programm.. how to unistall it? |
| 12:24.11 | HSNews | (about php) |
| 12:24.21 | HSNews | with apt- ? |
| 12:24.26 | HSNews | or not? |
| 12:24.27 | temoto-mobi | HSNews: sudo make uninstall |
| 12:24.38 | HSNews | okay thanks |
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| 12:24.43 | hid3 | ah.. Rules are not kept in a file, they're in memory unless you save them to a file separately or using iptables-save |
| 12:25.07 | temoto-mobi | hid3: i understand. I'm asking for a common location for iptables-save. |
| 12:25.48 | hid3 | sorry, don't know where it dumps them by default. I usually do iptables-save > /path/to/my/file manually |
| 12:26.00 | temoto-mobi | i see |
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| 12:26.59 | temoto-mobi | :INPUT ACCEPT [21938:26985590] what does it mean? |
| 12:27.02 | Tapout | hid3, i did the same.. upgrade took seconds of downtime, and now it seems to be faster across the board |
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| 12:27.27 | hid3 | Tapout: what exactly faster you found? |
| 12:27.55 | Tapout | everything, box seems to respond faster |
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| 12:28.15 | linuxguy | does anyone know if theres a way to update synaptic? |
| 12:28.31 | hid3 | Haven't noticed that. Seems that my box isn't busy enought to notice the changes ;-) |
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| 12:29.01 | Tapout | hid3, throw in nginx into the mix.. boom |
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| 12:29.07 | craigevil | linuxguy: the same way you upgrade anything else |
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| 12:29.44 | temoto-mobi | BTW if anyone is having "kernel: 4gb seg fixup, process ldconfig..." abusing your syslog on Xen VPS, they recommend running ldconfig -F to recreate the cache. But my ldconfig doesn't understand -F. Running plain ldconfig helped, though. |
| 12:29.47 | linuxguy | craigevil, dont you ever sleep....hehe....thanks I will look into how its done |
| 12:29.48 | nkuttler | asdzxc: /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:30.07 | craigevil | linuxguy: every couple of days yeah |
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| 12:30.17 | asdzxc | nkuttler i already look in the backports - binutils isn't there |
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| 12:30.43 | hid3 | there're lots of backport repositors |
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| 12:30.57 | linuxguy | craigevil, i was the smoking rooms last nite......had a great chat with h2 and damentz |
| 12:30.58 | nkuttler | asdzxc: then check the other factoids dpkg referred to.. |
| 12:31.00 | asdzxc | i found also this http://hype.sourceforge.jp/f/dists/etch/backports/ |
| 12:31.06 | asdzxc | but they don't have amd64 arch |
| 12:31.10 | hid3 | I believe www.apt-get.org might help you find the correct backport |
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| 12:32.19 | asdzxc | there's only binutils 2.16 |
| 12:32.23 | asdzxc | on apt-get.org |
| 12:32.37 | asdzxc | for amd64 |
| 12:32.48 | nkuttler | asdzxc: you're not listening. dpkg tells you how to build your own |
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| 12:34.15 | asdzxc | so how can i build it ? |
| 12:34.18 | temoto-mobi | iptables-save :INPUT ACCEPT [21938:26985590] what does it mean? |
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| 12:34.49 | nkuttler | asdzxc: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:35.10 | sint | hey, how to get backports to work? i want to install a newer version of collectd and even if i have backports in source.list, it installs the old verison from debian. :( |
| 12:35.31 | temoto-mobi | sint: you have to explicitly tell it to install from backports. |
| 12:35.42 | asdzxc | nkuttler can i take source pkg from lenny ? |
| 12:35.47 | temoto-mobi | sint: like apt-get -t backports install xxx or something |
| 12:35.58 | enouf | yep |
| 12:36.03 | hid3 | temoto-mobi: tells your chain's default policy, affected packets and affected bytes by the policy |
| 12:36.26 | temoto-mobi | hid3: so it accepts everything? |
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| 12:36.31 | sint | temoto-mobi: i did this: apt-get -t edgy-backports install collectd and it installs version 3.10. but in backports it should be version 4.4. |
| 12:36.45 | temoto-mobi | sint: etch? |
| 12:36.49 | nkuttler | asdzxc: you replace all mentions of sid with lenny in the lines the bot gives you |
| 12:36.49 | hid3 | temoto-mobi: by default, yes, since it's ACCEPT |
| 12:36.55 | sint | oh |
| 12:36.56 | sint | :D |
| 12:36.58 | asdzxc | nkuttler ok, thnx |
| 12:37.34 | sint | temoto-mobi: stupid mistake. work fine now |
| 12:38.08 | temoto-mobi | hid3: i'm setting up sshguard and it says there must be no default allow higher in chain. Doesn't that ACCEPT confront requirement? |
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| 12:39.31 | hid3 | temoto-mobi: just shange your ssh port and add iptables rules to accept ssh connections only from trusted networks and you won't need any sshguard |
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| 12:42.44 | linuxguy | craigevil, would the command apt-get update synaptic work? |
| 12:43.28 | nkuttler | linuxguy: no |
| 12:43.36 | craigevil | linuxguy: if there is a newer version apt-get upgrade would install it, unless your trying to install it from a different realese |
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| 12:44.08 | linuxguy | craigevil, i see now, thanks |
| 12:44.21 | linuxguy | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 12:47.34 | BlastuR | hey.. i just noticed something when upgrading my etch to lenny (as described by /msg dpkg etch->lenny).. there are some dependency issues, for which aptitude suggests a solution. It asks if I accept in my local language, i.e "do you accept? [J/n/q]?" .. but if I hit J (which is Yes in my language), it tells me that the reply has to be "y", "n" or "q" .. i.e., i think it only works for english as intended :) |
| 12:48.21 | stew | BlastuR: interesting. you should definately file a bug about this. /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 12:48.51 | linuxguy | odd ive just tried to instaall some apps and i got an error something to do with Monkey?? |
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| 12:49.13 | nkuttler | BlastuR: just a guess, is your keymap maybe qwerty? |
| 12:49.43 | temoto-mobi | BlastuR: at least you had a choice. That guy on #linux posted a fsck question like "Inode xxxx has bad blocks. Clear<y>?" |
| 12:49.52 | BlastuR | seems to be the case for all Aptitude prompts .. now it asks "Do you wish to continue? [J/n/?]" .. and it again only accepts y, n or ?.. not J |
| 12:50.06 | BlastuR | nkuttler, how can I tell? |
| 12:50.18 | temoto-mobi | BlastuR: capital case is default choice. Just press Enter. |
| 12:50.20 | nkuttler | BlastuR: press the y key? |
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| 12:50.49 | BlastuR | pressing the y key yields a y char .. so yeah, if that answers your question :) |
| 12:50.55 | plsd | BlastuR, I think I noticed the same thing in Ubuntu. It asks for j or n but j didn't work, only y. |
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| 12:51.17 | nkuttler | BlastuR: yes, file a bug. |
| 12:51.39 | BlastuR | right, will do |
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| 12:54.26 | asdzxc | how can i upgrade package with dpkg ? |
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| 12:54.47 | asdzxc | i have binutils 2.17 installed and i want to install package with bintuils 2.18 |
| 12:55.20 | linuxguy | craigevil, ever seen that before.......Monkey caused an error when downloading aapps? |
| 12:55.22 | stew | asdzxc: what version of debian are you running? and why do you want to upgrade binutils? |
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| 12:55.56 | craigevil | linuxguy: nope never seen that |
| 12:55.58 | asdzxc | stew forget it, my fault. thnx |
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| 12:56.45 | linuxguy | ive just had it twice one from synaptic and one from debian......i was using this command apt-get install pokerth |
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| 13:01.13 | xenon_ | Hello |
| 13:01.39 | xenon_ | I have installed debian lenny and I am making some modifications in gconf-editor, nevertheless they never take effect |
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| 13:02.33 | Polarina | Can I use a DVD image file to boot up from a USB stick for installation? |
| 13:03.04 | xenon_ | Gconf-editor keep my change, if I restart what I modified it is modified but if for example I included a command to be run by a shortcut when I type the shortcut this program is not runned |
| 13:03.27 | xenon_ | do you all understand me? I don't know a lot of English |
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| 13:05.56 | jpinx | anyone tried to get the gmailfs working on lenny - I can't get it to mount. |
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| 13:07.53 | GIORGIO_Mx | ciao |
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| 13:14.43 | enouf | xenon_: try system > preferences > sessions ? |
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| 13:16.22 | XaeroOne | hi |
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| 13:17.51 | XaeroOne | I was reading the archlinux wiki which explains on how to install source packages so that pacman (package manager for arch) could handle the package, I was wondering if something similar could be done with debian |
| 13:19.03 | stew | XaeroOne: /msg dpkg source |
| 13:19.17 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know a quick way to apply a bandwith limit to netcat? |
| 13:20.02 | stew | vlt: perhaps using trickle? |
| 13:20.47 | xenon_ | enouf: what am I supposed to get doing that? |
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| 13:21.12 | XaeroOne | no no I'm doing downloading the source from the debian mirrors, I downloading the .tar.gz from a website |
| 13:21.48 | XaeroOne | what I am really trying to do is use a package called pyNeighborhood which I can't find in synaptic |
| 13:22.00 | Jemt | ARGH! Where did clanbomber go? Did it change name? |
| 13:22.04 | Jemt | (Running Lenny) |
| 13:23.32 | enouf | xenon_: i don't use gnome, i know you can put scripts in there that autorun on login |
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| 13:25.39 | xenon_ | enouf: but I want to use a shortcut key to do that. Nevertheless that is not so important my real problem is that when I change stuff in gconf-editor in metacity or in compiz it doesn't take effect |
| 13:25.51 | xenon_ | enouf: It is ignored. |
| 13:26.10 | xenon_ | is written in the file but it never takes effects ... |
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| 13:30.14 | stuckey | Does anyone know how I can change the (update-rc.d) so that gdm doesn't automatically start up at boot? And how I can change it back so that it starts at boot?? |
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| 13:31.21 | liable | !nodm |
| 13:31.21 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 13:43.46 | wp | hi |
| 13:44.00 | wp | http://www.ducea.com/2008/10/21/bnx2-missing-from-stock-debian-2624-etchnhalf-kernel/ <--- why isnt that listed in the release notes? :( |
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| 13:44.12 | wp | would have saved me a trip to the datacenter .. |
| 13:45.14 | tecneeq | it was removed to support the transportation industry. you know, we have all do our part to solve the crisis ;) |
| 13:45.24 | tecneeq | to do even |
| 13:45.39 | Polarina | tecneeq: Haha. |
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| 13:46.53 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.56 | mns | What is a good program to use for checking your hard drive ? something like memtest is for memory. |
| 13:47.14 | Akuw | so, debian begin to accept privative drivers and firmware? |
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| 13:48.17 | tecneeq | mns: md5, dd and a bit of /bin/sh. write a mb of data and md5 it to see if write/read worked |
| 13:48.29 | wp | Akuw: they dropped them, i lost one server because of this... i wish they listed this in the release notes |
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| 13:49.17 | tecneeq | Akuw: i guess they had to, it's a PITA, but at one point you have to make a bold decision to get a release out i guess |
| 13:49.37 | Akuw | what was the problem? |
| 13:49.56 | tecneeq | mns: since this is a interesting problem, would you mind sharing your solution eventually? |
| 13:50.27 | Akuw | well, i think you have to be strong with FSF |
| 13:50.33 | Akuw | this break freedoom |
| 13:50.41 | hark | wp: there's a separate package in non-free - firmware-bnx2 |
| 13:50.41 | tecneeq | Akuw: license problems i would guess, debian was always quite picky in that area |
| 13:51.02 | wp | hark: yes, i noticed and installed it. but it would have been nice to be noticed about it :) |
| 13:51.11 | asg | mns: /sbin/badblocks can also be used to check drives |
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| 13:51.36 | wp | i didnth ave it installed, so my nic wasnt detected |
| 13:52.00 | Akuw | why you told you lost a server? |
| 13:52.14 | HSNews | how to show Line number in vim? |
| 13:52.23 | HSNews | Where cursor is |
| 13:52.32 | hark | oh, it's already in the link :) |
| 13:53.13 | wp | Akuw: i've been at the datacenter to notice that it didnt load the nic, so i googled that up |
| 13:53.26 | asg | HSNews: ctrl+G |
| 13:53.41 | stew | wp: the fact that the firmware was removed WAS in the changelog for the kernel package. where else should debian have listed it? |
| 13:53.46 | hark | wp: the link you gave states that it is infact mentioned in the release notes |
| 13:53.59 | wp | hark: can you show me where please? :) |
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| 13:54.51 | Geek`N`Proud | Akuw, where has it broken freedom - if people want freedom they simply don't enable the "non-free" or "contrib" repositories |
| 13:55.09 | Akuw | well |
| 13:55.21 | stew | all the software in contrib is free |
| 13:55.22 | hark | wp: read the last paragraph :) |
| 13:55.25 | Akuw | but debian is asking for drivers now |
| 13:55.34 | stew | Akuw: what do you mean by "asking for"? |
| 13:55.37 | Akuw | in the past there was not that option |
| 13:55.54 | Akuw | so, you can install now privative drivers |
| 13:56.18 | Geek`N`Proud | Akuw, that has always been the case.. firmware was originally not split out |
| 13:56.24 | stew | Akuw: what do you mean by 'privative'? |
| 13:56.39 | Akuw | non free |
| 13:56.42 | jpinx | is there a way I can create an item in the desktop application menu? |
| 13:56.43 | Akuw | no open |
| 13:56.44 | Geek`N`Proud | Debian has enforced freedom to a higher standard in this release than in the past releases |
| 13:56.50 | wp | hark: which paragraph? i cant find it hehe |
| 13:56.55 | Geek`N`Proud | stew, s/privative/proprietary =] |
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| 13:57.09 | Akuw | why fsf don't have debian in the list of free OS ? |
| 13:57.20 | stew | Akuw: when was it that you were not able to install non-free drivers in debian? |
| 13:57.23 | Geek`N`Proud | Akuw, because it offers a "non-free" repository |
| 13:57.30 | Akuw | FSF encourage to use privative instead propietary |
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| 13:57.43 | mns | tecneeq: unfortunately at the moment I'm looking for an existing solution. as I'm trying to check a production disk. I think badblocks as pointed out by asg might be what I need. |
| 13:57.57 | Geek`N`Proud | Debian gives users the choice between free and non-free drivers |
| 13:58.11 | Geek`N`Proud | and free drivers are always the default |
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| 13:58.28 | stew | Akuw: can you give me an example of a non-free driver that you are talking about? |
| 13:58.39 | Akuw | well |
| 13:58.47 | hark | wp: there's this line: "This is also properly documented in the release notes:" |
| 13:58.48 | stew | !dict privative |
| 13:58.52 | dpkg | Dictionary 'privative' (1 of 2): \Priv"a*tive\, a. [L. privativus: cf. F. privatif. See {Private}.] 1. Causing privation; depriving. [1913 Webster] 2. Consisting in the absence of something; not positive; negative. [1913 Webster] Privative blessings, blessings of immunity, safeguard, liberty, and integrity. --Jer. Taylor. [1913 Webster] 3. (Gram.) Implying privation or negation; giving a negative force to a word; as, alpha privative; privative ... |
| 13:59.00 | hark | heh |
| 13:59.03 | Akuw | the instalation in debian 5.0 ask for a driver in a CD, that driver could be non free |
| 13:59.14 | stew | i don't see how that word could be used correctly in place of proprietary |
| 13:59.15 | Geek`N`Proud | Akuw, that is user choice |
| 13:59.37 | hark | wp: found it? |
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| 14:00.02 | Akuw | i see what is the problem now |
| 14:00.06 | liable | it would not have asked for a driver, but for firmware |
| 14:00.18 | wp | hark: let me check |
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| 14:00.26 | Geek`N`Proud | Akuw, some systems depend on non-free drivers and firmware too - Debian needs to work on those machines too |
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| 14:00.36 | Geek`N`Proud | for example new NVIDIA cards need the proprietary drivers |
| 14:00.48 | Akuw | i see |
| 14:00.52 | Geek`N`Proud | (even "vesa" fails on those cards) |
| 14:01.05 | Akuw | the problem is that companies no want to free drivers |
| 14:01.12 | stew | Geek`N`Proud: which nvidia cards need proprietary drivers? |
| 14:01.14 | liable | d-i only does firmware, not proprietry drivers |
| 14:01.14 | wp | hark: nope? :/ |
| 14:01.27 | Geek`N`Proud | stew, lemme call up the page.. I read it on the nouveau site |
| 14:01.48 | stew | actually nevermind |
| 14:02.07 | wp | hark: do you have a section number like 6.2 or something? |
| 14:02.40 | hark | wp: oh, i meant the ducea.com link |
| 14:02.53 | wp | hark: i am looking the release notes, because thats where i expect it to be? :) |
| 14:02.54 | hark | wp: the release notes are here: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf |
| 14:02.58 | Geek`N`Proud | stew: i'll paste now i've found it :P |
| 14:03.06 | Geek`N`Proud | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Nouveau%20Companion%2042 |
| 14:03.38 | Geek`N`Proud | according to that page 8200/8300s are the affected ones =] |
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| 14:04.09 | wp | hark: ok found it, but i upgraded from Etch to Lenny, why would i read the release notes for Etch 4.0r5? |
| 14:04.12 | Geek`N`Proud | I know someone with one who needed the very latest NVIDIA drivers on a bleeding edge distro to get it working |
| 14:04.20 | m3ltdown | where to configure wheter atop starts as daemon ..? i see no /etc/atop directory or entries in /etc/default |
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| 14:05.50 | stew | wp: http://release.debian.org/stable/4.0/4.0r5/ |
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| 14:06.19 | wp | stew: yes, but i upgraded from etch to lenny, so i read the lenny release notes, is that strange or?? :) |
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| 14:06.30 | stew | wp: is what strange? |
| 14:06.31 | hark | i guess he wants it to be in the lenny release notes |
| 14:06.51 | wp | stew: well, why would i read the release notes of Etch, if i upgrade from Etch to Lenny? |
| 14:07.19 | stew | wp: you would have read the release notes of etch when you installed or upgraded to etch and there release notes of lenny when you upgraded from etch to lenny |
| 14:07.23 | wp | because in the release notes of Lenny, there no mention about a half etch debian release |
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| 14:07.36 | stew | wp: why does that matter? |
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| 14:08.39 | wp | oh well :) |
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| 14:09.10 | wp | i didnt have a 2.4.24 kernel available in etch at all |
| 14:10.10 | stew | wp: you didn't? |
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| 14:10.30 | wp | stew: nope, otherwise i would have come across it |
| 14:10.36 | stew | wp: which arch are you running? |
| 14:10.38 | wp | i used kernel with vserver source |
| 14:10.41 | wp | ia86 |
| 14:11.00 | stew | wp: then you had a 2.6.24 kernel available |
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| 14:12.01 | wp | i have a similar ssystem still running on etch, and there's no more packages available and its on 24.18? |
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| 14:12.27 | wp | deb http://ftp.debian.nl/debian/ etch main is in sources.list |
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| 14:13.05 | wp | is that a wrong entry or? |
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| 14:13.42 | stew | wp: no, that is correct, and you should have http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 available |
| 14:13.46 | Schuenemann | enouf, hey, it's working now :-) |
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| 14:14.18 | enouf | Schuenemann: w00h00 |
| 14:14.18 | liable | stew: is that available in the standard etch repo? |
| 14:14.20 | wp | stew: i dont have it available, thats why the upgrade to lenny went wrong |
| 14:14.27 | stew | liable: yes |
| 14:14.28 | Schuenemann | enouf, now I just need a dist-upgrade |
| 14:14.33 | Schuenemann | enouf, thanks |
| 14:14.34 | stew | wp: what does that have to do with an upgrade to lenny going wrong? |
| 14:15.11 | wp | stew: well, when i upgrade this Etch system to Lenny, i will not see the Releasenotes where there's a notice about missing bnx2 firmware's |
| 14:15.24 | wp | because my system is up to date according to apt :) |
| 14:15.40 | wp | i just wonder if im doing something wrong in this process hehe |
| 14:16.15 | wp | stew: how come i dont see any packages with 2.6.24? |
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| 14:16.31 | stew | wp: how exactly are you looking for packages? |
| 14:16.41 | wp | apt-cache search kernel |
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| 14:17.10 | benny-` | When iam creating a loop device file with "dd" its very slow and CPU intensive. When xen creates such a loop file for a new vserver, its very fast. does someone know that trick? |
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| 14:17.24 | stew | wp: try running apt-get update ; then apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.24 |
| 14:17.38 | danners | hey does somebody know when the new kernel for x86 will hit unstable? |
| 14:17.50 | enouf | soon |
| 14:18.04 | wp | stew: i see it now, but there's no vserver kernel for that, and im using that one? |
| 14:18.29 | enouf | wp: -vserver-xen? or just -vserver ? |
| 14:18.38 | wp | just -vserver |
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| 14:19.00 | enouf | well, your .24 would be etch-backports, so only if someone backported it |
| 14:19.20 | hikenboot | can anyone explain to me why when i take snapshots of my system I only see one snapshot listed under lvdisplay? |
| 14:19.22 | enouf | benny-`: what? |
| 14:19.29 | stew | enouf: etch-backports? |
| 14:19.38 | wp | enouf: huh? |
| 14:19.41 | enouf | er .. oldstable? |
| 14:19.57 | hikenboot | is there another command to see the full list of snapshots |
| 14:20.00 | stew | danners: which kernel are you looking for? 2.6.29? |
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| 14:20.06 | enouf | stew: duh |
| 14:20.10 | enouf | etchnhalf! |
| 14:20.13 | danners | just wo undestand: why is the kernel already avaible for x86_64 but not for other architextures |
| 14:20.18 | danners | stew: no 2.6.28 |
| 14:20.19 | enouf | wp: i meant etchnhald |
| 14:20.22 | wp | but if you run another flavor of the kernel you will miss the etchnhalf upgrade |
| 14:20.22 | enouf | wp: i meant etchnhalf* |
| 14:20.27 | stew | danners: 2.6.28 entered unstable yesterday |
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| 14:20.39 | stew | danners: its not available on all arches yet becuase its still building |
| 14:20.47 | blubberdiblub | stew: ah, good to know |
| 14:20.49 | enouf | how's that for soon? :-) |
| 14:20.53 | danners | stew: ah :) thanks |
| 14:21.01 | wp | stew: but did i do something wrong or ...? :) |
| 14:21.12 | stew | wp: i don't think so |
| 14:21.25 | stew | wp: perhaps you'd want apt-listchanges installed |
| 14:21.28 | wp | stew: there will be a lot of people running into this |
| 14:21.31 | stew | wp: yes |
| 14:21.37 | enouf | wp: do you have any debian linux-image-version pkgs installed? |
| 14:21.38 | Akuw | if i installed debian but can't remember the user password |
| 14:21.41 | Akuw | what can i do? |
| 14:21.56 | stew | danners: unfortunately http://buildd.debian.org/linux-2.6 is currently down |
| 14:22.03 | wp | enouf: linux-kernel-headers that one |
| 14:22.18 | enouf | wp: no, linux-image-* |
| 14:22.25 | wp | stew: but this problem would be fixed if there's a mention in the lenny release notes |
| 14:22.29 | danners | stew: thanks for the link could be useful in future... |
| 14:22.39 | stew | wp: so file a bug, with a patch |
| 14:22.40 | wp | enouf: linux-image-2.6-vserver-amd64 |
| 14:22.52 | wp | enouf: those are all my entries :) |
| 14:22.54 | jabis | Akuw, if you remember the super user password, there's no problem :) |
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| 14:23.05 | enouf | ok, so, follow the instructs to upgrade - see /topic |
| 14:23.27 | stew | wp: actually, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515264 |
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| 14:23.41 | enouf | wp: i asked you if they/it was installed - not anything about entries |
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| 14:24.17 | Akuw | i am trying to access using consolebut says Login incorrect |
| 14:24.35 | stew | Akuw: can you login as root? |
| 14:24.50 | _pseud0nym | I have a novice-level question about file/directory permissions. Suppose I give a user write permission but not read permission, it wouldn't make sense. So, when I apply write permission, does read permission is always implied by default? |
| 14:25.02 | Akuw | i just installed debian |
| 14:25.07 | wp | stew: hehe, thats exactly my point. thanks |
| 14:25.12 | Akuw | by default root access is enabled? |
| 14:25.12 | wp | stew: i hope it will be in soon.. |
| 14:25.29 | _pseud0nym | single user login == root access @ Akuw |
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| 14:26.51 | enouf | benny-`: are you comparing dd writing and filling a large file on a loop device vs a Xen kernel creating a vHost from RAM? and speed diffs? all i can say is - when using dd, use bs=4M .. will make it go as fast as it can, (if you're not referring to a sparse file - that's much faster) |
| 14:27.10 | jpinx | anyone know where lxde keeps it's configuration files? |
| 14:27.39 | peyman_t | _pseud0nym: it makes sense, why not. and no, read permission is not always implied by default |
| 14:27.55 | enouf | benny-`: if sparse files are your bag, might want to see /Documentation/device-mapper/zero.txt |
| 14:28.00 | stew | jpinx: not knowing anything about lxde, i'd guess that you should check ~/.lxde* and ~/.config/lxde* |
| 14:28.10 | _pseud0nym | It should be, don't you think @ peyman_t? |
| 14:28.21 | jpinx | stew - did that - no luck - hence the question |
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| 14:28.36 | enouf | stew: ever notice ~/.local ? :-/ |
| 14:28.41 | peyman_t | _pseud0nym: no. what would you do if you need the user to able to log into a file, but don't read the log? |
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| 14:29.32 | _pseud0nym | hmmm.... you have a point there |
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| 14:30.38 | jeremy_c | When I type: apt-get openvpn ... it wants to install 24 upgraded packages, remove 6 (sun-java...) and install gcj components. I want to continue using sun-java and I do not wish to do any of the upgrades it has selected right now. How can I just install openvpn and it's requirements? |
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| 14:30.48 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, a few days ago i did install lenny (kde version) in a vm with the default kde install. After some tests I did install it on my laptop (it works like a charm) but I didn't use the full default kde install. In the full kde install there is a very great ksplash theme (you know, the splash screen of kde) and I can't find it, any idea ? package name ? url ? |
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| 14:31.31 | wp | stew: thanks again. i'm happy it wasnt me :-) |
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| 14:32.21 | enouf | jeremy_c: see if some of those are Recommends; if so, aptitude -R ... is easiest - or add a line for apt-get to a file which i can show you |
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| 14:33.16 | jeremy_c | enouf: they are all under "The following extra packages will be installed:" |
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| 14:33.24 | mns | I am trying to use find to search for zero length files in /etc but I don't want it to go into the rc?.d directories. I can't seem to figure out how to tell it to not do that. find /etc -empty ... but how do I say "exclude rc?.d" ? |
| 14:33.25 | enouf | so what |
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| 14:33.47 | enouf | that's because Recommends == True via default |
| 14:33.48 | pbn | Hello it seems the "apt-setup" command is gone... I'd like to redo the configuration of sources.list which is done in debian-installer where I can choose the country then the mirrror.... How can I do that ? |
| 14:33.49 | at0m|werk | henry-nicolas: apt-cache search ksplash |
| 14:34.08 | rpaulson | why is the CC.pm perl module in oldstable but not in unstable, nor in stable? |
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| 14:34.45 | enouf | pbn: edit by hand; done - /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 14:35.12 | henry-nicolas | rpaulson: I only got ksplash and ksplash-engine-moodin, none containing the good splash theme |
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| 14:35.32 | enouf | you might also want to /msg dpkg apt-spy and /msg dpkg netselect-apt |
| 14:35.39 | benny-` | enouf: i dont understand |
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| 14:36.05 | jabis | pbm, easiest way is to just vim /etc/apt/sources.list add repos, and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:36.25 | jabis | well, only the updating is mandatory -.- |
| 14:36.27 | enouf | benny-`: you and me both - heh |
| 14:36.41 | enouf | benny-`: i'm guessing as to what you meant |
| 14:37.26 | enouf | henry-nicolas: is that kde4? |
| 14:37.45 | henry-nicolas | enouf: no kde3 |
| 14:38.03 | henry-nicolas | enouf: and the splash I saw was with the default kde3 from lenny |
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| 14:38.18 | enouf | henry-nicolas: try maybe tasksel install kde-desktop |
| 14:38.20 | ubd | my laptop is connected to my pc via ethernet cable. pc is winxp and connected to internet via wireless. can i make a netinstall on the laptop? |
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| 14:39.23 | enouf | henry-nicolas: how about this; it's on one of these pkgs i bet http://packages.debian.org/lenny/kde |
| 14:39.30 | Jefones | Where Can I found the package list that content in laptop? |
| 14:39.43 | enouf | henry-nicolas: one of the "dep" ones, like artwork or whatever |
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| 14:39.59 | henry-nicolas | enouf: I will try, thanks |
| 14:40.10 | XaeroOne | i had a question about apt: when you install a package it installs the dependencies after prompting, when you remove the package are the dependencies removed as well? |
| 14:40.24 | hark | Jefones: tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 14:40.37 | ubd | XaeroOne: NO of course LOL |
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| 14:40.52 | elux | hey guys |
| 14:40.58 | Jefones | hark: thanks |
| 14:41.00 | peyman_t | XaeroOne: apt-get autoremove does that |
| 14:41.12 | ubd | peyman_t NO it does not haha |
| 14:41.12 | elux | how can i protect my system with Stack-Smashing Protection? |
| 14:41.30 | elux | is it something at the kernel level or a patch to GCC my apps need to be compiled with? |
| 14:41.31 | themill | ubd: yes it does. /msg dpkg autoremove |
| 14:41.33 | hark | XaeroOne: if you use aptitude, and from lenny onwards apt-get with autoremove |
| 14:41.36 | peyman_t | ubd: hah? |
| 14:41.40 | azeem | elux: you need to recompiler your apps with the correct gcc flags I think |
| 14:41.41 | enouf | henry-nicolas: you can see a list of that tasksel i mentioned ; ~$ tasksel --task-packages kde-desktop |
| 14:41.53 | elux | azeem: interesting. why isnt it enabled by default? |
| 14:42.01 | azeem | there are side effectst |
| 14:42.02 | enouf | list of pkgs (but not also their depends, or recommends) |
| 14:42.05 | ubd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:42.17 | elux | azeem: i see. like what? |
| 14:42.26 | azeem | I don't know the details |
| 14:43.00 | enouf | hehe ; ~$ apt-cache rdepends $(tasksel --task-packages kde-desktop | xargs) |
| 14:43.13 | elux | azeem: well its worth seeing how it works. |
| 14:43.13 | elux | thanks |
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| 14:43.27 | asg | ubd: yes, you'll need to route/nat the laptop traffic via the xp machine using Internet Connection Sharing or whatever it's called these days. |
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| 14:44.09 | elux | azeem: how can i enable it system wide on my system and then recompile all of the system binaries? .. hrmm i guess if i do this then i cant use apt to install binary apps since ill have to compile everything myself to make it effective |
| 14:44.32 | starbuck | test |
| 14:44.42 | asg | test failed |
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| 14:44.45 | azeem | elux: right |
| 14:44.58 | azeem | elux: I don't think it makes sense to recompile your binaries |
| 14:45.12 | elux | azeem: im surprised its not enabled by default for all applications |
| 14:45.19 | azeem | elux: unless you have some very specific needs, like a particular server application on the internet |
| 14:45.26 | azeem | elux: 15:41 < azeem> there are side effectst |
| 14:45.34 | elux | azeem: gotcha |
| 14:45.45 | elux | azeem: but even sometimes system binaries can be exploited via a buffer overflow |
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| 14:46.13 | azeem | elux: sure |
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| 14:49.59 | XaeroOne | I downloaded a .deb file and when i do "dpkg -i abc.deb" it says that there are missing dependencies but doesn't download and install them, how can make it do that? |
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| 14:51.28 | plee | XaeroOne, try apt-get install dep |
| 14:51.41 | plee | and see if that does it |
| 14:51.53 | hark | XaeroOne: apt-get install -f |
| 14:51.54 | XaeroOne | what is dep? |
| 14:52.02 | plee | and change dep with whatever package is missing |
| 14:52.17 | _pseud0nym | 'apt-get install -fix-broken' after you have 'dpkg -i foo' @ XaeroOne |
| 14:52.39 | XaeroOne | oh so there is no way I can have the dependencies download and install automatically? |
| 14:52.48 | Federico2 | bye |
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| 14:53.34 | XaeroOne | when I do dpkg -i foo it says missing dependencies and doesn't install the package |
| 14:53.45 | plee | XaeroOne, not from just a downloaded package no |
| 14:53.54 | hark | XaeroOne: apt-get install -f or use gdebi |
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| 14:54.49 | XaeroOne | whereever I read about debian there is always mention of the no of packages it has but I can't seem to find many packages |
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| 14:55.10 | plee | XaeroOne, start using apt-get then? |
| 14:55.13 | XaeroOne | is that because of the configuration in the sources? |
| 14:55.50 | XaeroOne | how to search packages using apt-get? I use synaptic to search |
| 14:55.53 | plee | XaeroOne, you can use main contrib non-free after you sources, and use mirrors not cdrom. |
| 14:56.10 | plee | XaeroOne, and you can use apt-cache search package |
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| 14:57.13 | XaeroOne | oh apt-cache for searching, no wonder I couldn't find the option for apt-get for searching |
| 14:57.57 | plee | :) |
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| 14:58.19 | kj4 | hello all |
| 14:58.51 | kj4 | s/a/a |
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| 14:59.33 | XaeroOne | I have a lot of packages in the dvd and don't want to insert the dvd each time, can I just copy all the packages to the apt cache and remove the cdrom line from the sources.lst? |
| 14:59.59 | XaeroOne | it won't have to download it if it is in the cache already right? |
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| 15:04.09 | _pseud0nym | Is there a channel to report 'evince' errors? |
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| 15:05.09 | Tapout | dpkg changelog linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 15:05.09 | dpkg | Tapout: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:05.19 | Tapout | for some reason, on etch.. my buddy can't see the changelog |
| 15:05.24 | Tapout | on lenny, I see the changelog |
| 15:05.26 | spldart | Any opinions on running etch on a Eee PC 900HA? Perhaps as a dual boot xp/debian. |
| 15:05.27 | Tapout | anyone know why? |
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| 15:06.07 | spldart | What would be the most efficient way to install deb on one noting the lack of an optical drive. |
| 15:06.19 | ksa | Hi there. the package file in etch.. what is that called in lenny? Cant seem to find it. |
| 15:06.46 | liable | spldart: usb an option? |
| 15:07.04 | ksa | hmm it is there |
| 15:07.05 | ksa | but |
| 15:07.10 | spldart | I've never tried to install from usb. I 'think' it can boot from usb. |
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| 15:07.29 | spldart | would I put, say, a netinst of debian on a flash? |
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| 15:08.02 | liable | spldart: see the install manual, it has instructions for using a usb stick |
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| 15:08.23 | plee | XaeroOne, just comment out the cdrom part, and add a line to a mirror instead |
| 15:08.37 | spldart | guess I'll download that. I didn't assume they would have instructions that could help me do a linux install |
| 15:08.49 | liable | !ig |
| 15:08.49 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r7) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual. <installer firmware> |
| 15:08.51 | hark | spldart: /msg dpkg eeepc |
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| 15:08.54 | XaeroOne | add a line to mirror? there is already one mirror listed |
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| 15:09.04 | liable | spldart: oh, you have an eee? |
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| 15:09.25 | plee | XaeroOne, then use it :) and just comment out the cdrom line |
| 15:09.28 | spldart | I'm considering buying one for 299$ but it comes with xp home |
| 15:09.46 | spldart | I wanna do a dual boot. Xp pro and debian etch or maybe lenny |
| 15:09.47 | XaeroOne | one last question |
| 15:09.59 | spldart | looking for experience along these lines |
| 15:10.06 | XaeroOne | 2 actually |
| 15:10.19 | liable | spldart: etch wont work, has to be lenny. check the wiki, we have our own installer for the eee. |
| 15:10.39 | spldart | OH! Thanks. That's exactly the kind of info I need :) |
| 15:11.19 | hikenboot | never mind figured it out ls /dev/<Volume name> |
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| 15:11.23 | XaeroOne | lets say something goes wrong and I am only left with a partition with the apt cache, can I install all the software back by using this cache? |
| 15:12.08 | XaeroOne | btw, by "etch wont work" you mean on the eee right? |
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| 15:12.26 | liable | spldart: there a #debian-eeepc channel on irc.debian.org too |
| 15:12.28 | liable | XaeroOne: yes |
| 15:12.45 | _pseud0nym | There's something called 'easy peasy', google it @ spldart |
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| 15:13.31 | spldart | kewlio :) |
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| 15:16.20 | plee | XaeroOne, no, but you can use the list to get your system back to how it was... |
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| 15:16.50 | XaeroOne | ok great, that for all the help |
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| 15:17.11 | XaeroOne | make life with linux a who lot easier |
| 15:17.22 | XaeroOne | *whole :-P |
| 15:17.32 | plee | XaeroOne, and you can also with the help from dpkg get the current list of packages installed on your system :) |
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| 15:18.53 | XaeroOne | when you install a software like lets say a window manager, how does it automatically appear in the log it options? does apt-get install put it there? |
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| 15:20.30 | plee | XaeroOne, when you install gnome, it also installs gdm, same for kde.. it installs kdm |
| 15:20.53 | XaeroOne | but i have gdm and installed wmii it shows up there |
| 15:21.08 | plee | XaeroOne, and every wm gets listed if the login manager has the support for it |
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| 15:21.12 | XaeroOne | I dont like things being automatically starting |
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| 15:21.38 | XaeroOne | ok so if I install a sshd it won't automatically start right? |
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| 15:22.37 | plee | XaeroOne, I think it actually starts automatically, but you can change that |
| 15:23.01 | XaeroOne | ok thanks, getting late gotta go |
| 15:23.03 | plee | XaeroOne, you can make it so it doesn't start automatically |
| 15:23.05 | XaeroOne | thank for all the help |
| 15:23.09 | plee | np :) |
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| 15:23.52 | spldart | thanks again |
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| 15:31.10 | Zmanu | hello |
| 15:31.21 | Zmanu | is gnome 2.24 is under SID ? |
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| 15:32.22 | themill | Zmanu: /msg dpkg search ; /msg dpkg gnome status |
| 15:32.29 | asg | !judd versions gnome |
| 15:32.45 | asg | doh |
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| 15:32.50 | asg | judd versions gnome |
| 15:32.51 | judd | asg: gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6 lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 squeeze: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 |
| 15:33.01 | asg | Zmanu: ^^ not yet |
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| 15:33.26 | Zmanu | ok thanks |
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| 15:35.27 | Zmanu | judd versions kde |
| 15:35.28 | judd | Zmanu: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48 squeeze: 5:48 |
| 15:35.39 | Zmanu | judd versions ion |
| 15:35.39 | judd | Zmanu: ion -- |
| 15:35.42 | Zmanu | judd versions ion3 |
| 15:35.43 | judd | Zmanu: ion3 -- lenny/non-free: 20080825-1 squeeze/non-free: 20080825-1 sid/non-free: 20090110-1 |
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| 15:38.07 | SPF | how do I umount a non existing volume? |
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| 15:38.25 | SPF | I attached a hdd, but it got stuck |
| 15:38.30 | SPF | on usb |
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| 15:41.39 | rdz | SPF, either it is mounted, than it is existing, or it is not mounted, so you don't need to unmount it |
| 15:43.04 | SPF | rdz: it is listed as mounted, but I unplugged the device |
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| 15:43.25 | SPF | well, I tried turning it off and on first |
| 15:43.37 | rdz | SPF, where it is listed as mounted? |
| 15:44.02 | rdz | SPF, have you GNOME running, so that new storage device will be mounted automatically? |
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| 15:45.10 | Elmaron | I have the debian eee pc edition |
| 15:45.18 | Elmaron | what do I need to install/to do to get ntfs write support? |
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| 15:46.23 | enouf | ntfs-3g+fuse |
| 15:46.53 | SPF | rdz: no |
| 15:47.10 | SPF | rdz: it's listed when I put mount |
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| 15:48.27 | Elmaron | enouf: there is no package "fuse" |
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| 15:49.09 | rdz | SPF, but you already disconnected the drive? |
| 15:49.17 | enouf | !fuse |
| 15:49.17 | dpkg | it has been said that fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, Samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in Debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
| 15:49.43 | woden | Good afternoon. I would like to install Debian 5 to a hard drive partition, customize it, and then turn it into a live CD. Are there tools that perform this task? |
| 15:49.54 | enouf | !tell Elmaron -about search |
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| 15:50.06 | SPF | rdz: by now yes |
| 15:50.09 | enouf | woden: maybe the bootcd pkg is for you |
| 15:50.17 | enouf | !info bootcd |
| 15:50.19 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.12 (sid), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 15:50.21 | hark | Elmaron: just installing ntfs-3g will do |
| 15:50.29 | enouf | judd: versions bootcd |
| 15:50.30 | rdz | SPF, this goes over my knowledge, i am sorry |
| 15:50.30 | judd | enouf: bootcd -- etch: 3.00 lenny: 3.10+nmu1 sid: 3.12 squeeze: 3.12 |
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| 15:50.58 | SPF | rdz: guess I'll need to reboot |
| 15:50.58 | rdz | SPF, i would have tried to reboot the machine, but i don't know, if that is possible in your case |
| 15:51.03 | enouf | woden: apt-cache show bootcd |
| 15:51.18 | Elmaron | hark: ok I did... how do I need to mount to get write support? I tried "mount /dev/sdb1 /media/hdd" but still no write support |
| 15:51.25 | Elmaron | also "-rw" at the end didn't work |
| 15:51.32 | hark | Elmaron: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 15:51.53 | hark | Elmaron: -t ntfs-3g |
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| 15:52.41 | rdz | SPF, may try 'udevadm trigger' as root |
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| 15:53.07 | rdz | SPF, this should at least remove the device node, and there cannot be any mount without according device node |
| 15:53.37 | SPF | udevadm: command not found |
| 15:53.56 | rdz | SPF, what debian version are you running? |
| 15:54.00 | rdz | SPF, did you do it as root? |
| 15:54.05 | SPF | I use sudo |
| 15:54.11 | SPF | I'm running 4.0 |
| 15:54.12 | rdz | SPF, you won't see the command as regular user |
| 15:54.30 | SPF | udev |
| 15:54.30 | SPF | udevcontrol udevd udevinfo udevmonitor udevsettle udevtest udevtrigger |
| 15:54.31 | rdz | SPF, aha.... i can're remember, if 4.0 already had udevadm |
| 15:54.50 | rdz | SPF, try 'udevtrigger' then |
| 15:55.04 | enouf | right |
| 15:55.07 | Elmaron | hark: thanks, works just fine now :) |
| 15:55.21 | enouf | udevadm replaces udevmonitor / udevtrigger / whatever |
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| 15:55.28 | enouf | in lenny and up |
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| 15:55.45 | rdz | enouf, i see |
| 15:56.07 | SPF | rdz: nothing happened, even with udevtrigger /dev/sdg1 |
| 15:56.20 | enouf | you could try also a) ./sbin/MAKEDEV and or b) /etc/init.d/udev stop (then start) |
| 15:56.39 | enouf | i came late - so am lost - haven't followed |
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| 15:57.22 | enouf | reading backscroll .. makes no sense .. sigh |
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| 15:58.11 | enouf | SPF: cat /proc/mounts shows the device mounted? try eject /dev/sdg |
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| 15:58.32 | enouf | did you lazy umount it? and pull it? |
| 15:58.44 | enouf | heh - sounds kinky - even to me :-P |
| 15:59.16 | enouf | oops, add 1 |
| 15:59.20 | SPF | enouf: the device got stuck and needed to be resetted |
| 15:59.52 | SPF | now /etc/init.d/udev start is stuck |
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| 16:00.09 | enouf | !stuck |
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| 16:02.19 | enouf | heh, i meant 'cd /dev ; ./MAKEDEV' otherwise the leading . isn't applicable |
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| 16:02.38 | enouf | (that's only a symlink anyway) |
| 16:02.39 | saivin | hi i wanted to uninstall 'cheese' and other packages that i'm never going to use on my desktop. but its says due to dependency i can't do it. |
| 16:02.53 | saivin | isn't there anyway around...? |
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| 16:03.06 | enouf | !equivs |
| 16:03.06 | dpkg | well, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 16:03.22 | SPF | enouf: I know :) |
| 16:03.50 | SPF | eject also doesn't help |
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| 16:03.51 | SPF | Error: mount point /mnt is not below /media/ |
| 16:03.51 | SPF | eject: unmount of `/mnt' failed |
| 16:04.01 | SPF | maybe I should mount in /media from now on? |
| 16:04.06 | enouf | SPF: wrong mount point |
| 16:04.10 | enouf | nope |
| 16:04.22 | enouf | only stupid DEs mount there |
| 16:04.33 | blizzkid_ | lo all, not really a debian-question, but anyone knows of a good howto on setting up an anvironment to cross-compile for mips? |
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| 16:04.56 | enouf | it all depends on your /etc/fstab and your goals - and whatever the various automounters expect |
| 16:05.04 | enouf | which i loathe |
| 16:06.14 | woden | sds |
| 16:06.20 | SPF | enouf: it's a portable hdd. I just borrowed it for a few minutes |
| 16:06.27 | woden | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:10.37 | enouf | SPF: i like to borrow things sometime |
| 16:10.51 | enouf | woden: no, it's not wrong, just not my preferred place |
| 16:11.13 | enouf | woden: hence; the /mnt dir ;-) |
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| 16:12.07 | woden | Why is there both a /mnt and a /media directory anyway? |
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| 16:12.50 | nkuttler | !fhs |
| 16:12.50 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 16:13.02 | SPF | enouf: so how do you use borrowed devices? |
| 16:13.17 | rdz | how can i set the default python version? it seems, that my debian lenny is still using 2.3 |
| 16:13.20 | enouf | woden: /media was generated in response for hotplug/udev/hal/dbus |
| 16:13.26 | enouf | basically |
| 16:13.42 | enouf | SPF: i said things, not devices |
| 16:13.44 | jeff_co47 | I have a package that is returning an error when I uninstall it, but the response just says "exit code 1". How can I find the "post removal script" that aptitude mentions so I can look it over? |
| 16:14.25 | nkuttler | jeff_co47: /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postrm |
| 16:14.29 | enouf | jeff_co47: in er .. i use dlocate cause i can't recall all the time ;-) |
| 16:14.34 | enouf | bingo |
| 16:14.57 | babbage | rdz, I'm using lenny and here the default is 2.5. |
| 16:15.13 | jeff_co47 | thank you, perfect! |
| 16:15.47 | rdz | babbage, when i installed 'moinmoin-common', i got some lines: INFO: using old version '/usr/bin/python2.3' |
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| 16:16.02 | babbage | rdz: take a look at "pyversions -d" |
| 16:16.04 | rdz | babbage, python2.5 is installed, though.. but it seems not to be used as defualt |
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| 16:16.24 | enouf | broken symlink? update-alternatives subsytem? |
| 16:16.41 | rdz | babbage, pyversions -d |
| 16:16.41 | rdz | python2.5 |
| 16:16.41 | rdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.45 | enouf | which python |
| 16:17.12 | babbage | It seems to somehow be controlled by /usr/share/python/debian_defaults but I don't know what the mechanism is. |
| 16:17.30 | enouf | *shrugs* as well |
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| 16:18.53 | rdz | i have: /usr/bin/python -> python2.5 |
| 16:19.10 | rdz | but why was 2.3 used when intalling some python stuff? |
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| 16:19.17 | bieler | after updating on lenny, I recieve the following message: run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/amavisd-new exited with return code 1 |
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| 16:20.53 | bieler | everything works fine, an when i run amavisd-new manualy there is no error nor a errormessage |
| 16:22.01 | nkuttler | bieler: did you take a look what the script does? |
| 16:22.30 | bieler | little bit yes, but i understand not everything in this script... |
| 16:23.06 | nkuttler | bieler: you could add a set -x at the top and run it |
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| 16:24.10 | bieler | so yes, this script yes, test -e /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob && exec /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob sa-clean |
| 16:24.19 | bieler | if i run these 2 manualy, there is no error. |
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| 16:25.08 | nkuttler | bieler: that's all that is in the script? |
| 16:25.19 | bieler | yes |
| 16:25.37 | bieler | so #!/bin/sh :D |
| 16:25.42 | SleepyPenguin | Anyone know a good web page for setting up Lenny with Postfix and SMTP authentication ? Tried a few. Not found a good one. |
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| 16:26.51 | nkuttler | bieler: odd. maybe something wrong with the cron environment, missing paths or something... see env and friends |
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| 16:34.08 | luiz | alguem aqui fala portugues rs |
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| 16:34.39 | nkuttler | !pt |
| 16:34.39 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 16:36.02 | debianite | Hi, I'm installing Lenny from the net install cd and after retriving the last file from the server it just stops, any idias why? |
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| 16:39.24 | anusia | I installed ubuntu on new empty hardidsk. On the old disk I have Windows - I want to copy its partition to new disk. What I have tried: I created partionion on new disk with size of old-disk-win-partition and copied data using dd. Any ideas why windows doesn't boot from this copied win partition? |
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| 16:39.55 | bolt | anusia: you want #ubuntu |
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| 16:40.31 | Werther | Does somebody know whether it is possible to use playonlinux on Xandros ? |
| 16:40.51 | bolt | ... |
| 16:40.53 | bolt | #debian!!! |
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| 16:40.58 | anusia | bolt: it's debian based distro |
| 16:41.05 | bolt | !ubuntu |
| 16:41.06 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:41.18 | jpinx | !tell anusia about offtopic |
| 16:41.19 | nkuttler | anusia: windows is OT anyway |
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| 16:41.39 | Werther | yeah, I know, but there is not a xandros channel... |
| 16:41.45 | anusia | nkuttler: OT? |
| 16:42.07 | bolt | Werther: try their forums. we're not responsible for xandros' lack of an irc channel |
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| 16:42.31 | debianite | Hi, I'm installing Lenny from the net install cd but it stops after retriving the last file from the server, any ideas why? |
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| 16:42.47 | bolt | debianite: alt+f4 |
| 16:42.53 | bolt | debianite: check what's going on in the console |
| 16:42.57 | Werther | bolt - you sure is responsible for your lack of courtesy :) |
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| 16:43.45 | enouf | Werther: anusia this is a debian support channel, not a debain+variants one |
| 16:44.08 | jpinx | thought xandros was based on slackware.... |
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| 16:44.16 | enouf | who cares! |
| 16:44.26 | bolt | you really want to know? |
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| 16:45.03 | debianite | bolt: it just says " in-target: get:798 http://ftp.pt.debian.org lenny/main powertop...deb |
| 16:45.04 | enouf | debianite: wait ... |
| 16:45.18 | jpinx | Werther: try ##linux |
| 16:45.33 | temoto-mobi | bolt: what kind of debian standards ubuntu is unlikely to live up? |
| 16:45.42 | enouf | who cares!? |
| 16:45.56 | temoto-mobi | just curious |
| 16:46.01 | bolt | temoto-mobi: i'm not at liberty to discuss that information at the moment |
| 16:46.04 | nkuttler | temoto-mobi: it's not debian. different kernel, libc, case closed |
| 16:46.06 | enouf | !ot |
| 16:46.07 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 16:46.21 | Werther | thank you jpinx, i'll try this, but I thought Debian was a better guess since I usually install my programs from Debian packages |
| 16:46.24 | enouf | and try #defocus or other channels |
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| 16:46.40 | bolt | Werther: why not just use debian then? |
| 16:47.19 | Werther | because I have an asus eeepc, and Xandros is default on it |
| 16:47.23 | jpinx | Werther: a common mis-understanding. We recommend and support only debian installations |
| 16:47.30 | enouf | !eeepc |
| 16:47.30 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:47.38 | jpinx | Werther: try #eeepc |
| 16:48.01 | Werther | oh, thanks, I didn't know there was a dedicated channel :) |
| 16:48.48 | jpinx | Werther: also #debian-eeepc on irc.debian.org |
| 16:48.56 | jpinx | uses an eeepc too |
| 16:49.16 | Werther | jpinx: ok, thank you for your answers |
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| 16:49.31 | debianite | I chose to create an encryped lvm and it took 5 hours to erase all data on a 320Gb hd, and after retriving all pakages from the server it just stops there, what gives??? |
| 16:49.33 | Werther | see you |
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| 16:50.54 | nkuttler | debianite: that sucks. is there still a wget process running or something like that? |
| 16:51.35 | nkuttler | debianite: anyway, you might want #debian-boot |
| 16:51.49 | nkuttler | hm, or what was the installer channel? |
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| 16:51.56 | debianite | nkuttler: mo idea, alt+F4 says just that its geting tha file, that all... |
| 16:52.26 | nkuttler | debianite: i'd just try to kill whatever process is blocking things... i'm not saying it's a good idea though |
| 16:52.37 | enouf | no it doesn't suck - if you want encryption, data must be written to the entire HDD, so no remnants are left over |
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| 16:53.03 | nkuttler | enouf: a frozen installer sucks imo |
| 16:53.05 | enouf | HDD/partition/VG/LV/md/dm device or parition |
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| 16:53.27 | enouf | the 5 hours for 320G isn't relevant |
| 16:53.32 | nkuttler | debianite: and use top, ps etc to find out what's happening |
| 16:53.35 | debianite | nkuttler: something must be wrong, ive donne this all the time on a 80Gb hd and all went well..., I'm lost!!! |
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| 16:53.56 | enouf | likely your pentium pro CPU :-P |
| 16:54.10 | enouf | using a Hitachi HDD? |
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| 16:54.58 | enouf | debianite: slice the partitions into ~120G segments or less. .. see what happens |
| 16:55.05 | keith4_ | is anyone aware of a packaged music player, other than rhythmbox, that can play from DAAPD/itunes-sharing? |
| 16:55.22 | enouf | the 48bitLBA bug will EAT old BIOSes |
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| 16:55.57 | debianite | enouf: I'm going to try and install without the encrypting and see how it goes... |
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| 16:56.15 | enouf | debianite: no .. ! is it a Lenny installer? recent ISO? |
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| 16:56.33 | enouf | and answer the HDD questions! |
| 16:56.56 | enouf | debianite: remember " ive donne this all the time on a 80Gb hd and all went well." |
| 16:57.16 | debianite | enouf: yes, itas the latest from the repos... |
| 16:57.30 | enouf | ok, now answer b) |
| 16:57.53 | enouf | or c) and d) |
| 16:57.57 | debianite | enouf: yes, but, it should be ok too no wathever drive or not? |
| 16:58.03 | enouf | no |
| 16:58.16 | enouf | why am i asking! |
| 16:58.17 | enouf | ? |
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| 17:06.15 | wubrgamer | hey guys, i just installed debian 5.0, kde from the DVD installer |
| 17:06.30 | wubrgamer | i would now like to install xfce, i know that in ubuntu you can simply install xubuntu-desktop |
| 17:06.36 | wubrgamer | how do I do a similar action in debian? |
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| 17:07.13 | _Maikon_ | lm_sensors don't work fine to me :S |
| 17:07.13 | leptosom | apt-get install xfce4 |
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| 17:07.48 | wubrgamer | leptosom: and that will be the +exact+ same thing as installing from the dvd installer? |
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| 17:08.07 | wubrgamer | i'll get all the xfce packages and configurations that debian has done? |
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| 17:08.34 | wubrgamer | leptosom: |
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| 17:09.02 | leptosom | xfce4 with dependencies |
| 17:09.04 | enouf | !xfce4 |
| 17:09.04 | dpkg | xfce is, like, a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins. #xfce @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:09.32 | _Maikon_ | any frontend for lm_sensors? |
| 17:09.46 | wubrgamer | so i need xfce4 and xfce4-goodies? |
| 17:09.53 | wubrgamer | is there a metapackage in debian? |
| 17:09.56 | wally | hi, is there any way of checking if ssh connection to a particular host is established? I can see it on netstat, but I don't know if it's a good practice to awk and regex netstat output in a script. I'd appreciate your help. |
| 17:09.58 | wubrgamer | like for the entire xfce DESKTOP |
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| 17:10.14 | keith4_ | _Maikon_: it's pretty simple. you run sensors-detect. if it finds anything, you load the modules. then you run 'sensors' |
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| 17:10.41 | keith4_ | wubrgamer: /msg dpkg search |
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| 17:10.56 | wubrgamer | keith4_: thanks |
| 17:10.58 | _Maikon_ | keith4_ yes (: , but now I need a front end |
| 17:11.01 | leptosom | wubrgamer: yes u get the complete desktop with xfce4, with goodies u get some panel plugins |
| 17:11.12 | keith4_ | _Maikon_: there's a gnome applet |
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| 17:11.36 | _Maikon_ | keith4_ that is what I need |
| 17:11.40 | keith4_ | _Maikon_: there's also a kde sensors thing, if that's more your style |
| 17:12.10 | _Maikon_ | keith4_ gnome :P, don't you know the name of that applet? |
| 17:12.14 | keith4_ | _Maikon_: there's also xsensors |
| 17:12.21 | keith4_ | _Maikon_: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:12.28 | wubrgamer | thanks all |
| 17:12.36 | keith4_ | also, http://packages.debian.org/sensors |
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| 17:14.27 | _Maikon_ | i'll try wine+everest... xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 17:14.35 | _Maikon_ | yes sure xD |
| 17:15.40 | jeff_co47 | my install seems to be trying to mount /dev/pts in both mtab and fstab. which one is the "right" place to mount it? |
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| 17:17.21 | _Maikon_ | all temps are wrong :S |
| 17:17.31 | theholyduck | jeff_co47, mtab is whats mounted. fstab is what to mount |
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| 17:18.09 | jeff_co47 | hmm, I'm getting an error during boot that says "/dev/pts already mounted", so it seems like I've got a duplication somewhere... |
| 17:18.20 | theholyduck | jeff_co47, 2 times in fstab? |
| 17:18.23 | theholyduck | or some script doing it? |
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| 17:18.36 | theholyduck | anyways mtab only lists whats currently mounted |
| 17:18.40 | theholyduck | by fstab or normal mount |
| 17:18.55 | jeff_co47 | theholyduck: must be a script, it's not in fstab. or I mean, only once in fstab. |
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| 17:19.21 | theholyduck | jeff_co47, well i have no idea. but its not exactly a HARMFULL error |
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| 17:19.57 | jeff_co47 | theholyduck: right, I know. just trying to clean up everything after upgrading. |
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| 17:22.18 | _Maikon_ | why lm_sensors give wrong temps :s |
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| 17:24.56 | kunal | hello guys |
| 17:25.00 | Paavo | I upgraded to Lenny, and lost access to the public Samba shares on the Debian box from my WinXP SP3 box. smbclient can list shares and view share contents from the Debian box. The WinXP box can only see the shares, not connect to them. Any ideas? |
| 17:26.36 | kunal | i got through debian installation using a thumb drive. i right now need to install the rest of the files and my computer doesnt have a CD reader. but i can access to the debian page. |
| 17:26.54 | kunal | is it possible for me find the ethernet drivers and use it to connect to internet to get rest of the data for installation? |
| 17:27.21 | jpinx | kunal go debian.org and look for installation methods |
| 17:27.22 | ShamwowVideoProf | _Maikon_ what Super I/O and chipset? |
| 17:27.29 | at0m|werk | kunal: far most drivers are included in the kernel |
| 17:27.44 | kunal | atom- its only 144mb file. |
| 17:27.45 | at0m|werk | kunal: lspci can tell you more on the hardware |
| 17:27.48 | kunal | my installation |
| 17:28.03 | kunal | my installation file which i started by system with. |
| 17:28.12 | kunal | so i think that wont have all the kerne. |
| 17:28.14 | kunal | kernel. |
| 17:28.28 | at0m|werk | kunal: you think wrong |
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| 17:28.57 | kunal | ok. i use a NEC T-400 |
| 17:29.25 | kunal | so you telling me that 144 mb minimal installation disc has most of kernels? |
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| 17:31.01 | at0m|werk | it has _the_ kernel, or one version of it, and that won't usually change by installing a graphical environment and it's apps |
| 17:31.39 | _Maikon_ | ShamwowVideoProf chipset g31, what is I/O ? |
| 17:31.41 | roe_ | is there an rss feed or some way to keep an eye on new packages being submitted to testing? |
| 17:31.49 | ShamwowVideoProf | Input Output |
| 17:32.00 | _Maikon_ | :S |
| 17:33.04 | ShamwowVideoProf | brb |
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| 17:36.16 | Darkclaw66 | can someone please fix this statement? it is not showing the 20 largest files du -ah "$1" | sort -n -r | head -n 20 |
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| 17:37.09 | MariusM | can someone tell what can i do to make the sound work on my desktop debian lenny? after i configure my soundcard with alsaconf sound work fine. but when i restart my linux box it sound stop working :( |
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| 17:38.00 | dureyes | using Debian 5.0 and can't find xmms original version, only see xmms2, is that a recommended install xmms2? |
| 17:38.25 | plee | xmms is deprecated |
| 17:38.32 | plee | xmms2 is the new one |
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| 17:40.00 | icebrain | roe_: there is for sid, but not for testing, afaik |
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| 17:42.13 | somedude | i tried to install debian from cd and it said cdrom not detected |
| 17:42.33 | somedude | which seems kind of retarded since it started the install of a cdrom then proceeded to not detect itself |
| 17:42.38 | keith4_ | Darkclaw66: #bash ? |
| 17:42.47 | somedude | i assume i need some kind of switch at the install prompt |
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| 17:43.55 | somedude | any ideas |
| 17:44.36 | Darkclaw66 | already there keith4 |
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| 17:44.48 | Darkclaw66 | but its not directly related to bash |
| 17:45.05 | Paavo | answering myself: seems like all i needed to do was reboot the windows box: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2007-May/053388.html |
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| 17:46.14 | kunal | SITUATION:- I dont have a CD-ROM in my system and need to install on it via a thumb drive. I have managed to infiltrate my Windows XP(locked pirated version) through safe model and used Debian installation on Windows Safe Mode. Now after running the installation i reached a point that i have to decide what i want to do |
| 17:46.26 | kunal | here are the choices- please let me list |
| 17:46.35 | kunal | choose a language |
| 17:46.38 | kunal | select keyboard language |
| 17:46.46 | kunal | detect and mount cd rom |
| 17:46.48 | keith4_ | ~pastebin |
| 17:46.49 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 17:46.58 | kunal | oh ok. |
| 17:46.59 | kunal | sorry |
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| 17:48.24 | mns | If I am using dd to copy from one drive to another, will it preserve permissions, ownership, etc ? |
| 17:48.52 | icebrain | somedude: is it a SATA drive? |
| 17:48.54 | plee | yeah |
| 17:49.29 | kunal | anyways so i have the option to choose language, select keyboard language, detect/mount cd rom, load installer compilation from cd, detect network hardware, config nexwork, change conf priority, check integrity of cd form, and execute shell |
| 17:49.33 | icebrain | somedude: there were problems with those in etch installer |
| 17:49.42 | kunal | what should i do if i dont have a cd rom in my machine? |
| 17:50.03 | somedude | what do you do if you have a cdrom but debian doesnt detect it |
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| 17:50.24 | kunal | use a thumbdrive somedude |
| 17:50.55 | icebrain | somedude: see http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedora-linux-help/28840-cd-rom-not-detected-install.html |
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| 17:51.34 | hid3 | ouch |
| 17:51.40 | hid3 | netsplit was painful |
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| 17:52.00 | rindolf | Hi all. |
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| 17:52.35 | rindolf | Why does apt-get dist-upgrade starts downloading all the packages again after I restarted it (the download hang)? |
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| 17:53.12 | keith4_ | it won't |
| 17:53.20 | kunal | keith4 |
| 17:53.21 | kunal | i need help |
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| 17:53.27 | rindolf | keith4: are you talking to me? |
| 17:53.31 | keith4_ | rindolf: yep |
| 17:53.37 | rindolf | keith4: ah. |
| 17:53.39 | kunal | keith4. can you help me? |
| 17:53.40 | keith4_ | kunal: you can netboot, or install from a USB device |
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| 17:53.46 | keith4_ | kunal: or you can debootstrap |
| 17:53.50 | kunal | i already installed the file |
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| 17:53.56 | kunal | i managed to get debian started |
| 17:54.03 | kunal | i am at the installation stage. |
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| 17:54.11 | kunal | please congragulate me for that |
| 17:54.15 | kunal | anyways |
| 17:54.19 | kunal | more importantly., |
| 17:54.29 | kunal | how do I go on from there? |
| 17:54.39 | kunal | it tells me to mount a CD! |
| 17:54.48 | rindolf | keith4: I See. |
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| 17:55.05 | keith4_ | kunal: are you using the netinst image? |
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| 17:55.10 | at0m|werk | kunal: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to reflect online repositories instead of CD |
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| 17:55.18 | kunal | ok. |
| 17:55.55 | kunal | atom-werk- does the debian installation have ethernet connectivity? |
| 17:56.02 | at0m|werk | sure |
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| 17:56.08 | vyrgozunqk | hey guys, is there any online repository with gnome 2.24 for debian ?! |
| 17:56.20 | kunal | thanks |
| 17:56.32 | at0m|werk | try to run /sbin/ifconfig, it will show your current network settings |
| 17:56.35 | at0m|werk | if any :> |
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| 17:57.12 | danilom | Error: python module libxslt (libxslt python bindings) is required |
| 17:57.12 | dondelelcaro | vyrgozunqk: it's in experimental. |
| 17:57.20 | danilom | trying toinstall openerp |
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| 17:57.51 | kunal | atom werk: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to reflect online repositories instead of CD ---> means to execute a shell? |
| 17:57.55 | vyrgozunqk | dondelelcaro, i added experimental, but with synaptic i can't find anything, only 3-4 libraries ... |
| 17:58.05 | vyrgozunqk | of 2.24 |
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| 17:58.18 | vyrgozunqk | now i'm doing a dist-upgrade... |
| 17:58.25 | at0m|werk | kunal: aren't you on the console now? |
| 17:58.28 | dondelelcaro | vyrgozunqk: the whole thing may not be in experimental, but that's where parts of it are. |
| 17:58.35 | dondelelcaro | if you want it to be there faster,s you can join the grnome group and help out. |
| 17:58.37 | vyrgozunqk | mhm |
| 17:58.40 | kunal | not in the console- at the installation page- atom werk. |
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| 17:58.49 | kunal | i have all these option for installation. |
| 17:58.53 | vyrgozunqk | but i need the new nautilus |
| 17:59.03 | K_Dallas | Hi! Q: I used ubuntu 8.10 for a while and was unhappy with the audio. What is the audio engine in Lenny and does it work well on laptops+skype? Thanks |
| 17:59.03 | vyrgozunqk | do you know if its there ? |
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| 17:59.06 | kunal | like choose language, detect and mount cd rom detect network hardware etc. |
| 17:59.21 | vyrgozunqk | K_Dallas, lenny uses ALSA |
| 17:59.23 | vyrgozunqk | ;) |
| 17:59.30 | sigp226 | How do I make it so that an NTFS volume is only writable by root and my own user account but no others? |
| 17:59.39 | K_Dallas | vyrgozunqk, so no pulseaudio |
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| 17:59.48 | vyrgozunqk | K_Dallas, yes |
| 17:59.54 | vyrgozunqk | only in the repository |
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| 18:00.00 | Iradieh | Does anyone here uses NX on OS X to connect to a linux computer using awesome tiling? (hilight me) |
| 18:00.03 | vyrgozunqk | :} if you want to install it |
| 18:00.03 | K_Dallas | vyrgozunqk, i see. thanks |
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| 18:00.22 | K_Dallas | vyrgozunqk, it seems promissing but i guess not that stable afterall, for the time beign at least |
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| 18:01.12 | vyrgozunqk | K_Dallas, yes and it's verry heavy on my Sempron 2600+, when playing music i get 3~5 % CPU load by pulse :) |
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| 18:01.40 | K_Dallas | vyrgozunqk, that is too much. i haven't watched the cpu usage |
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| 18:02.25 | vyrgozunqk | mhm, too much, and thats the primary reason for which i don't use it |
| 18:02.26 | linux--guy | should I be able to dd a 8gb drive to a file on a 16gb drive? I tried and it fills up the drive?? |
| 18:03.05 | K_Dallas | vyrgozunqk, so i can all forget about it for now :) |
| 18:03.21 | vyrgozunqk | exactly :) |
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| 18:03.38 | sigp226 | When I mount an ntfs partition it has 777 file permissions, how do I make it so that it has 770 |
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| 18:04.02 | vyrgozunqk | unless you have 2 or 3 Audio controllers and want to use them simulatenously |
| 18:04.09 | vyrgozunqk | ;) |
| 18:04.22 | _stack | if I have a chroot and I want to execute X programs inside the chroot, how should I do? |
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| 18:05.31 | at0m|werk | kunal: press Ctl-Alt-F2 to open another tty/console |
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| 18:07.53 | at0m|werk | kunal: then run /sbin/ifconfig to check your network settings, if you have an IP try "ping -c1 sex.com" to test the network connection |
| 18:08.06 | danilom | sid is debian testing???????? |
| 18:08.16 | elik | I recently repartitioned my hds. I changed my /etc/fstab, but been having issues with libcrypt, saying it could not stat file for resume on a deleted partition... turns out /etc/uswsusp.conf is pointing to this device, and a few more files too (/etc/blkid.tab and such).. is there a way to fix all those references to old partitions??? |
| 18:08.32 | ttick | is this a new "feature": mount.nfs4: mount system call failed. I'm running 'testing', btw. |
| 18:08.35 | vyrgozunqk | danilom, no, testing is squeeze |
| 18:08.39 | vyrgozunqk | ;) |
| 18:08.43 | danilom | im now in stable (lenny) i need to install some packet from sid |
| 18:08.48 | zinx | danilom: sid is always unstable, and please don't abuse punctuation like that, one question mark will do. |
| 18:08.48 | danilom | so sid is unstable? |
| 18:08.55 | danilom | ufff |
| 18:08.55 | vyrgozunqk | yep |
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| 18:09.09 | vyrgozunqk | sid will always be unstable ;) |
| 18:09.14 | danilom | zinx ok excuse me |
| 18:09.54 | jhutchins_lt | make menuconfig is complaing that it needs ncurses-devel, but apt-cache can't find ncurses-devel. ? |
| 18:09.55 | danilom | someone can help me with openerp installation |
| 18:10.11 | ttick | From the verbose mode: mount.nfs4: mount system call failed. Anyone else having trouble with nfsv4 mounts? This is my first attempt. |
| 18:10.35 | at0m|werk | kunal: if network connection is confirmed with ping, "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" to edit your repositories IAW http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
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| 18:11.13 | Jefones | Can i select packages manualy during the lenny instalation? |
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| 18:12.48 | hid3 | Did anyone succeed in making/mounting ext4 filesystem with the latest stable release? |
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| 18:13.52 | kunal | atom werk - i get a message for /sbin/ifconfig as not found. |
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| 18:15.10 | \amethyst | kunal: then you need to install the net-tools package; it's strange that you don't have it, since it's priority: important |
| 18:15.18 | at0m|werk | kunal: ok, then the installer isn't far enough yet |
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| 18:15.21 | \amethyst | kunal: oh, sorry, I misunderstood |
| 18:15.29 | kunal | ok. its ok. please help me. |
| 18:15.34 | at0m|werk | \amethyst: he's just walking through the installer |
| 18:15.35 | jhutchins_lt | There we go, ncurses-dev |
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| 18:15.41 | kunal | yes. i am stuck there. |
| 18:15.45 | honschu | Hi, why doesn't "$(expr 2 * 2)" work on my bash? It says: expr: syntax error |
| 18:15.46 | elik | What should uswsusp and initram-fs be pointing to? Swap partition or my root partition? |
| 18:15.46 | kunal | as i dont have any CD-ROM |
| 18:15.50 | at0m|werk | kunal: continue the installer and ignore the cdrom question |
| 18:16.02 | kunal | ok. its only a 144mb sized installer i have. |
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| 18:16.13 | kunal | you sure it will go the entire way? |
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| 18:16.18 | at0m|werk | that's no problem. surwe. |
| 18:16.21 | at0m|werk | sure! |
| 18:16.50 | inimino | why does gcc ship without a manpage? |
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| 18:17.13 | themill | dpkg: tell inimino about gcc-doc |
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| 18:17.28 | inimino | and why does gcc not appear to use the alternatives system like everything else? |
| 18:17.30 | at0m|werk | the only problem arises with some exotic wireless controllers, for which drivers may not be in the kernel. still you can download them manually to another usb-stick and manually install them |
| 18:17.37 | kunal | ok. i will try. my 1st time doing something like this so please excuse me for my uncertainty |
| 18:17.46 | kunal | thanks alot for having patience with me . |
| 18:17.50 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | i switched from etch to squeeze and form 2.6.24amd 64 to 2.6.26amd 64 to slove some issues that we happening all issues were fixed but googleearth-package will not install it gives me gtk errors and some other things ideas? |
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| 18:17.59 | themill | inimino: the default compiler is not something you would normally mess with; it is not managed through the alternatives system |
| 18:18.15 | at0m|werk | kunal: we've all been there, we know it wasn't always easy back then :) |
| 18:18.16 | honschu | oh thanks ;-) |
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| 18:18.52 | inimino | themill: ok |
| 18:18.56 | at0m|werk | kunal: and still isn't, from time to time :] |
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| 18:19.44 | vyrgozunqk | guys i have a problem, just made an dist upgrade |
| 18:20.04 | vyrgozunqk | the shortcuts on the desktop are not recognized as shortcuts |
| 18:20.12 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | i have to celebrate no more ndiswrapper it is such a great day |
| 18:20.16 | vyrgozunqk | intead they are recognized as text files |
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| 18:20.20 | vyrgozunqk | with no icons |
| 18:20.31 | elik | amd64deb-2-6-24, oh, on a 64 bits system, congrats |
| 18:20.32 | at0m|werk | vyrgozunqk: everybody seems to have that :> |
| 18:20.37 | vyrgozunqk | really ? |
| 18:20.42 | vyrgozunqk | 0_o |
| 18:21.05 | vyrgozunqk | and can it be fixed ? |
| 18:21.26 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | thank you |
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| 18:21.47 | at0m|werk | i wonder if that'd be related to http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 :] |
| 18:22.02 | at0m|werk | (the .desktop files problem, both in kde and gnome) |
| 18:22.15 | vyrgozunqk | ok, i'll take a look tnx ;) |
| 18:22.30 | at0m|werk | hoh, it's time to go home. courage, kunal! |
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| 18:24.45 | kunal | ok atom werk- my message now: DETECT AND MOUND CD ROM- There was problem reading from the removiable media.Please make sure right meida is present. If you continue to have trouble, your removoalble media might be bad. (I have option to click continue) |
| 18:24.49 | kunal | should i click continue? |
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| 18:25.39 | alex-weej | i have a broken installation root in /mnt/broken. i would like to fix it by upgrading my packages, but i can't chroot because within my broken system not even a shell will run properly |
| 18:25.43 | mirak | hi |
| 18:25.47 | mirak | for a 32bits distro and a core2duo, what -march= should I use ? core2 ? |
| 18:26.06 | alex-weej | dpkg/apt-get etc. is working in /, can i get it to operate on /mnt/broken ? |
| 18:26.11 | zinx | mirak: the default |
| 18:26.44 | zinx | mirak: definitely not core2 or anything related to 64-bit. |
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| 18:28.06 | honschu | is thre program to "word wrap" a file of, let's say 20 letters a line |
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| 18:28.07 | honschu | ? |
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| 18:29.01 | elik | After repartitioning my hd, /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume points to an unexisting partition. I tried to fix with dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools to no avail. apt-get install -reinstall didn't fix either. How can I fix that (Other than just fixing by hand) |
| 18:29.12 | elik | honschu, you might want to look at print |
| 18:29.22 | kunal | - my message now: DETECT AND MOUND CD ROM- There was problem reading from the removiable media.Please make sure right meida is present. If you continue to have trouble, your removoalble media might be bad. (I have option to click continue) |
| 18:29.41 | \amethyst | honschu: fmt -w 20 < file > file.new |
| 18:29.54 | kunal | amethyst- |
| 18:29.57 | elik | honschu, sorry, fmt was what I was looking for |
| 18:29.59 | kunal | can you help me? |
| 18:30.10 | kunal | my error reads as following -ok atom werk- my message now: DETECT AND MOUND CD ROM- There was problem reading from the removiable media.Please make sure right meida is present. If you continue to have trouble, your removoalble media might be bad. (I have option to click continue) |
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| 18:30.51 | newsense | anyone know when testing will start getting a lot more new packages ? |
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| 18:33.39 | dondelelcaro | newsense: now? |
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| 18:34.07 | dondelelcaro | newsense: packages have already propogated, and they'll continue going in. If you're looking for specific things, though, you should jump in and help the team that's deploying those packages. |
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| 18:35.57 | newsense | dondelelcaro: where could i get specific information reguarding me helping to deploy the packages ? |
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| 18:36.53 | kunal | anyone here to help me! |
| 18:37.01 | arezey | what's your problem! |
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| 18:37.06 | kunal | * please.. |
| 18:37.10 | Fiskah | php points to a wrong php binary. How do I change that? |
| 18:37.14 | kunal | my error reads as following -ok atom werk- my message now: DETECT AND MOUND CD ROM- There was problem reading from the removiable media.Please make sure right meida is present. If you continue to have trouble, your removoalble media might be bad. (I have option to click continue) |
| 18:37.19 | Fiskah | I'm kindda tired of using the full path the whole time :) |
| 18:37.23 | themill | Fiskah: what do you mean? |
| 18:37.30 | arezey | Fiskah, sudo ln -svf /path/to/php $(which php) |
| 18:37.34 | Zasz | anyone still running sarge here? can you tell me what your apt sources are? |
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| 18:38.13 | themill | arezey: yuck. |
| 18:38.13 | rpaulson | why is the CC.pm perl module in oldstable but not in unstable, nor in stable? |
| 18:38.13 | Zasz | I'm getting 404 not found errors and i'm wondering if my sources just need to be formatted differently |
| 18:38.14 | stew | Zasz: you can get sarge packages from archives.debian.org (but you should be upgrading to etch (then maybe to lenny)) asap |
| 18:38.23 | rpaulson | does anyone know? |
| 18:38.30 | stew | Zasz: support for sare ended quite some time ago |
| 18:38.31 | Zasz | ill try it stew, yes I need to upgrade this box |
| 18:38.33 | stew | sarge* |
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| 18:38.47 | arezey | themill. ? |
| 18:38.58 | Fiskah | themill: "whereis php" says /usr/bin/php but the one I use is located somewhere else. So currently I use /path/to/php instead of just php in my commandline which is quite annoying.... |
| 18:39.14 | Fiskah | arezey: Without being an expert that seems like a wrong solution :) |
| 18:39.24 | themill | Fiskah: is there a reason you're not using the php that is in the debian packages? |
| 18:39.25 | arezey | hm. |
| 18:39.26 | Zasz | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main |
| 18:39.36 | Zasz | should that be http://archives.debian.org |
| 18:39.45 | Fiskah | themill: yep |
| 18:39.54 | stew | Zasz: you can get rid of that completely, security support for sarge ended a long time ago |
| 18:39.54 | arezey | zasz, you need them both afaik |
| 18:40.01 | Fiskah | the one from the packages is the one that apache uses, but I need another one for commandline |
| 18:40.14 | Zasz | ok |
| 18:40.23 | nkuttler | Zasz: upgrade and /msg dpkg security |
| 18:40.29 | themill | Fiskah: debian ships packages for php for the command line too. php5-cli |
| 18:40.39 | Zasz | is dist-upgrade from sarge to lenny supported? |
| 18:40.46 | themill | Zasz: no. Go via etch. |
| 18:41.07 | Fiskah | themill: I am aware :) The solution I have now works fine except for the commandline path "shortcut" being wrong |
| 18:41.17 | Zasz | yea. I just need to get this thing updated before it gets comprimised |
| 18:41.23 | Zasz | fortunately there is very little running on it |
| 18:41.37 | themill | Fiskah: except that if you just used the debian package for php-cli then /usr/bin/php would be right... |
| 18:41.55 | kunal | anywyas |
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| 18:42.23 | arezey | why can't you just jump from sarge to lenny? |
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| 18:42.55 | nkuttler | arezey: it's not supported.. |
| 18:43.17 | arezey | oh, i thought there was a technical reason behind it |
| 18:43.54 | nkuttler | arezey: you would probably run into problems that are fixable if you knew what you're doing. |
| 18:44.15 | themill | arezey: It's untested and the package transitions are unlikely to be in place. We see a lot of train wrecks in here with people who have tried (while lenny was testing). |
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| 18:44.37 | Zasz | upgrading to etch with deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian etch main contrib |
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| 18:44.59 | arezey | themill, nkuttler, right |
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| 18:47.16 | thirst | hi guys |
| 18:47.29 | arezey | how do you startup the gnome network manager? |
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| 18:47.45 | arezey | nevermind, found it |
| 18:48.19 | thirst | wanted help in filing a bug report on bugzilla by email. I tried sending the email, but bugzilla says no valid version. Does anyone know how to send an email to bugzilla to return a list of all valid versions. |
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| 18:48.43 | alex-weej | ok i've got a weird problem. if i run stuff with /lib/ld-*.so /bin/something, i can run executables. |
| 18:48.51 | alex-weej | otherwise, it craps out saying "no such file or directory" |
| 18:49.08 | alex-weej | do i need to d something with ldconfig? |
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| 18:51.34 | Zasz | kernel.org mirror is nice n fast |
| 18:51.44 | Tapout | have you guys seen this before? box takes forever to boot ... etch->lenny ... if-up.d/mountnfs[eth1:2]: waiting for interface eth1:40 before doing NFS mounts |
| 18:51.56 | arezey | wtf, evolution's send/receive button is disabled even though i do have the account set and network manager is on... |
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| 18:53.57 | asdfqwer | is compiz safe on etch? |
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| 18:55.21 | nkuttler | Tapout: sounds like eth1 isn't ready |
| 18:55.30 | asdfqwer | i'm a little uneasy installing something as unstable as compiz given all my variants. |
| 18:55.30 | Tapout | it definitely is |
| 18:55.55 | Tapout | nkuttler, the problem is... 256 ips on this box.. it goes thru each .. over and over, i'll figure out where to disable this |
| 18:56.21 | nkuttler | Tapout: just disable the nfs mount for now? |
| 18:56.58 | kunal | nkuttler- is it requred to mount a CD to install Debian? |
| 18:57.11 | dondelelcaro | Tapout: if you've got that many ips, you don't need aliases for each of them. Use ip addr add in the post rules of the mailn interface. |
| 18:57.14 | nkuttler | !tell kunal about ig |
| 18:57.36 | kunal | thanks nkuttler :) hahaha...yes i know i should read more on this. |
| 18:57.37 | mischief- | can anyone tell me how i can find the maintainer of a package and contact them? |
| 18:57.52 | nkuttler | kunal: short answer: no |
| 18:57.54 | Tapout | dondelelcaro, that's better than having aliases then? |
| 18:58.06 | Tapout | dondelelcaro, which file did you put your rules in...? |
| 18:58.38 | dondelelcaro | Tapout: in /etc/network/interfaces as a post rule |
| 18:58.58 | Tapout | dondelelcaro,can I see a sample of what you mean? |
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| 18:59.08 | Tapout | box will be another 15 minutes before its up |
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| 18:59.24 | Tapout | sadly, it's doing a foreach (alias) { scan all other aliases ; sleep 10; } it seems |
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| 19:01.06 | jelly-home | Tapout: post-ip for i in {2..254}; do ip a add 192.168.42.${i}/24 dev eth0; done ;-) |
| 19:01.17 | jelly-home | post-up* |
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| 19:01.48 | Tapout | i don't have .. anything post-up inside /etc/network/ |
| 19:01.52 | nkuttler | interfaces takes bash syntax? |
| 19:01.54 | dondelelcaro | yeah, sorry... the connection here at SCALE is really really laggy, so I'm typing about a paragraph before I see what I'm writing. |
| 19:01.54 | Tapout | i'll google this :) |
| 19:01.58 | nkuttler | Tapout: man 5 interfaces |
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| 19:02.49 | Tapout | thanks jelly |
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| 19:03.07 | Tapout | thanks dondelelcaro, and thanks nkuttler |
| 19:03.12 | jelly-home | nkuttler: whatever /bin/sh can parse |
| 19:03.25 | nkuttler | jelly-home: ok |
| 19:03.26 | kunal | nkuttler- do you think its a good idea to install a network hardware in the starting of installation? will it allow me to access debain sites to continue installation? |
| 19:03.33 | gewt | whats the proper sysctl key to get the kernel's boot time? |
| 19:03.37 | rohan | i used kde cd1 to install debian. it installs a LOT of useless kde stuff, which i removed painstakingly step by step using synaptic. now whenever i try to do aptitude dist-upgrade, it says The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: and tries to remove all of kde. how do i prevent that? |
| 19:04.14 | dondelelcaro | rohan: pmark the parts of kde that you actually want as manually installed, and they won't be removed. |
| 19:04.21 | nkuttler | kunal: yes, it's a good idea and yes |
| 19:04.38 | jhutchins_lt | I wish I didn't have to completely recompile the whole kernel just to get the keyspan firmware modules back, but it's the only howto I can find that works. |
| 19:04.39 | gewt | is there even a sysctl key to get the kernel boottime? |
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| 19:04.51 | rohan | dondelelcaro: how do i do that? what is "pmark"? |
| 19:05.13 | kunal | nkuttler- is there any place where i can find all the network drivers so that i could load it in my USB drive? |
| 19:05.27 | dondelelcaro | rohan: mark., not pmark. I don't use synaptic, so I can't tell you, but in aptitude, you hit capital M |
| 19:05.37 | dondelelcaro | rohan: or use aptitude unmarkauto foopkg; |
| 19:05.48 | rohan | dondelelcaro: great, thanks! |
| 19:05.57 | jelly-home | Tapout: http://paste.debian.net/28971/ ... from an actual setup I had a while ago |
| 19:05.59 | nkuttler | kunal: probably not. don't know too much about nics. |
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| 19:06.34 | Zasz | server didn't come back up |
| 19:06.36 | Zasz | yay! |
| 19:06.37 | kunal | nkuttler- thanks anyways. i'll have to see if i can find it as my system says it cannot read my remoable media or it cannot find any. |
| 19:07.02 | kunal | i am guessing its the latter one. i think there is a place where all the network drivers are stored on debian |
| 19:07.10 | rohan | dondelelcaro: when i do aptitude unmarkauto akregator, it still prompts me to remove ~171 kde packages |
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| 19:08.00 | dondelelcaro | rohan: you'll have to do that for the other kde packages that you want to keep. |
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| 19:08.23 | rohan | dondelelcaro: so i mention unmarkauto and those 171 packages all in one go/ |
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| 19:09.13 | dondelelcaro | rohan: or use the aptitude interface, and look at the kde metapackage, and mark the packages that you actually want as manually installed there. |
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| 19:10.10 | jair | hello everyone. I set up mdadm on two IDE PATA drives and running "watch cat /proc/mdstat" I notice that the synchronization will take long time ==> http://paste.debian.net/28972/ |
| 19:10.26 | jair | is this because the drives are pretty big? |
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| 19:10.43 | jair | by the way I did this using the new lenny :) |
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| 19:10.57 | jair | so then now lenny is the "stable" version of debian? |
| 19:11.02 | jhutchins_lt | jair: Yes, and because ideally you don't want the sync to affect running programs on the system. |
| 19:11.13 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | how do i get gnome witht he up buttone for going to the parent folder |
| 19:11.36 | jair | jhutchins_lt: are you saying that is why the syncing is slow? |
| 19:11.36 | Tapout | sweet thanks jelly |
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| 19:12.16 | Tapout | I've noticed with Lenny, there are a billion more entries into 'rcconf' ... they should have a column that explains each somewhere ;) |
| 19:12.24 | jhutchins_lt | jair: Probably part of it. |
| 19:12.27 | Jemt | Can I see what modules is loaded by xorg ? |
| 19:12.32 | Jemt | (ie glx) |
| 19:12.35 | jair | jhutchins_lt: 1hour and 40 minutes approx |
| 19:12.39 | gravity | Jemt: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:13.03 | jair | jhutchins_lt: did you check my pasted link? http://paste.debian.net/28972/ |
| 19:13.18 | jair | jhutchins_lt: anyway I am just making sure this is normal |
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| 19:14.39 | Jemt | gravity: Okay, thought so. Thank you :) |
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| 19:25.10 | EBC | Hi all, I recently installed Debian over Windows ME, and accidentally overwrote everything. Now, this would be fine with me, but the other members of my household are Windows-users, and don't know the basics of *nix OS's, and want me to put Windows XP on it. I've read up a bit, and saw that I'm not the only one that's not able to install over Debian (when trying to boot XP from the CD it says "Setup is reading your configurati |
| 19:25.49 | asdfqwer | hallo... |
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| 19:26.15 | asdfqwer | can ati cards run on nvidia-kernel? |
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| 19:27.21 | dustybin | EBC: you might want to grab yourself a copy of this book: http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Computer-Basics/dp/B000ZKQQYE/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235330812&sr=8-7 |
| 19:27.41 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:29.08 | asdfqwer | amd64deb-2-6-24, did you wow me. |
| 19:29.32 | EBC | dustybin: Hehe, thanks for the help :p . I've tried using the partitioner to create a Windows partition, but when I attempt to save the changes, it says that "No root file system is defined". |
| 19:29.32 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | googleearth error Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading theme icon 'gtk-cancel' |
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| 19:30.19 | gparent | can you just install windows over debian, reinstall debian aside Windows, and it'll all be good and well |
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| 19:30.43 | gparent | just use half the disk for win and half for unallocated spaces when you install XP |
| 19:30.50 | gparent | then let debian installer partition the remaining space itself |
| 19:30.55 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | i installed right on top of vista no issues |
| 19:31.19 | gparent | or you can boot off GParted |
| 19:31.21 | gparent | and delete all partitions |
| 19:31.29 | gparent | if the Win CD is giving you trouble |
| 19:31.41 | EBC | gparent: Debian is messing with the boot discs; I've tried to install XP from the disc, and it won't let me; I also tried with OpenSuse, same problem |
| 19:31.52 | gparent | Debian can't mess with XP's disk. |
| 19:31.57 | gparent | The disk is fine. |
| 19:32.02 | EBC | meh |
| 19:32.02 | gparent | It's the software on the disk that's broken. |
| 19:32.18 | gparent | If you only have trouble removing the partitions, I suggest gparted. |
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| 19:32.37 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | install windows install debian resize the windows partition and g2g |
| 19:32.39 | gparent | aside from being awfully close to my IRC nickname, it's a great partition editor and should take care of the thing no problems. |
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| 19:33.39 | EBC | When I try to boot XP off of the disc, it goes to a black screen, and also goes to a black screen if I try to use the Opensuse Live disc |
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| 19:34.01 | dvs | EBC: What about Debian live disk? |
| 19:34.12 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | this is not a debian issue |
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| 19:34.26 | EBC | dvs, Debian live disc works fine |
| 19:34.37 | gparent | \o/ |
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| 19:36.06 | scientes | im sick of reviews of linux distros where the reviewer only spend 15 minutes with the thing and didnt even read the release notes |
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| 19:36.58 | dvs | scientes: I'm sick of reviews that mainly concentrate on the installation. |
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| 19:37.12 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | will debian ever have a certification? |
| 19:37.15 | scientes | thats cause the reviewer has never even used linux IMHO |
| 19:37.15 | rohan | scientes: give an example? |
| 19:37.20 | dvs | LSB 3.0? |
| 19:37.21 | rohan | amd64deb-2-6-24: certification like? |
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| 19:37.28 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | rhl |
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| 19:37.40 | rohan | amd64deb-2-6-24: what is "rhl"? |
| 19:37.48 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | red hat |
| 19:38.04 | rohan | umm i know *that* , but what certifications did you have in mind? |
| 19:38.16 | la_boheme | so i installed debian 5.0 lenny, and all is (just about) well with the world. what i would like to know is how i can try out kernels newer than 2.6.26-1, without having to compile and stuff |
| 19:38.26 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | certs so we can get jobs |
| 19:38.45 | scientes | la_boheme, you can add the testing and experimental repos or compile your own, but that is not recommended |
| 19:39.01 | rohan | la_boheme: compile your own using kernel-package |
| 19:39.15 | rohan | adding testing or unstable repo is very risky |
| 19:39.19 | dvs | la_boheme: or use backports. |
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| 19:39.39 | scientes | rohan, not if you use pinning, but yes not recommended |
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| 19:40.00 | la_boheme | rohan: i guess my xorg/drm/mesa from experimental is liable to ignite any second then :) |
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| 19:40.25 | gravity | It's not too bad. Lots of people seem to be running it. |
| 19:40.30 | rohan | la_boheme: if you are experienced, you can get away with mixing and matching repos |
| 19:40.38 | rohan | i am not, so i find it "very risky" :) |
| 19:40.53 | scientes | some people screw it up |
| 19:41.12 | cheekee | Can anyone tell me why I was banned yesterday? I did nothing wrong |
| 19:41.29 | scientes | cheekee, ask whoever banned you |
| 19:41.40 | kunal | hello. what to do at the Debian installer main menu if you dont have any CD to mount? |
| 19:42.06 | nkuttler | kunal: er, when does the installer ask you to mount a cd? |
| 19:42.17 | gparent | It looks for it, but I never had it ask for t. |
| 19:42.17 | scientes | kunal, you have to have some installer, weather cd tftp etc, the menu does not even have the kernel loaded at that point |
| 19:42.18 | kunal | yes. |
| 19:42.18 | dvs | kunal: how are you installing it? |
| 19:42.18 | gparent | it* |
| 19:42.20 | rohan | kunal: do you at least have the ISO somewhere? |
| 19:42.33 | cheekee | I don't know who or why. I had a few login problems and then I was banned, by someone. |
| 19:42.40 | kunal | yes |
| 19:42.42 | kunal | rohan |
| 19:42.44 | scientes | cheekee, dont ask that here |
| 19:42.45 | kunal | i have the iso |
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| 19:43.03 | kunal | dvs- installing via USB drive. |
| 19:43.19 | scientes | kunal, you are asking the wrong questions |
| 19:43.19 | scientes | kunal, dont assume we can read your mind, say what you are trying to do |
| 19:43.22 | scientes | and why |
| 19:43.23 | nkuttler | kunal: you could loop mount it |
| 19:43.26 | dvs | kunal: that's part of the installation guide |
| 19:43.26 | cheekee | I did nothing wrong, thats why I have the courage to ask |
| 19:43.31 | stew | cheekee: PM |
| 19:43.36 | kunal | ok scintes- and everyone |
| 19:43.38 | rohan | kunal: then why not put the ISO on the pen drive itself/ |
| 19:43.43 | rohan | that's what i did, and it workd for me |
| 19:43.52 | kunal | rohan. the entire iso file? |
| 19:43.58 | rohan | kunal: that's one way, yes |
| 19:44.00 | kunal | like burn it fully on thumb drive? |
| 19:44.05 | la_boheme | ok. another question. i have enabled the debian-multimedia.org repo, are there any other reasonably well regarded 3rd party repos for media apps ? |
| 19:44.07 | rohan | otherwise, put it somewhere where the installer can find it |
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| 19:44.15 | rohan | i.e., less than two levels deep, kunal |
| 19:44.21 | krunk- | been a while since I used debian, just installed 5.0 on my virtual machine. pretty slick, painless |
| 19:44.39 | kunal | ok. i think its best to use pictures to express myself |
| 19:44.49 | kunal | i think a picture will be albot more clearer on expressing my problem |
| 19:45.13 | rohan | kunal: i think you'll be in a lot better position if you re-read the installation manual |
| 19:45.15 | la_boheme | a picture is worth 4096 bytes |
| 19:45.33 | kunal | well if i get a cropped picture |
| 19:45.36 | kunal | its smaller. |
| 19:45.40 | dvs | kunal: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 19:45.56 | kunal | thanks dvs. |
| 19:45.59 | dvs | np |
| 19:46.53 | cheekee | anyway a good day/nights chat to you all. I was just a bit annoyed yesterday because I couldn't get my daily fix of Debian chat. Today, hopefully its all good |
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| 19:48.01 | stew | cheekee: are you ignoring my PMs then? |
| 19:48.21 | DeathWolf | anyone sees any reason ssh -D generates a lot of upstream? |
| 19:48.23 | cheekee | stew: sorry what is a PM? |
| 19:48.49 | trifler | cheekee: A private message for just you from stew. |
| 19:48.58 | stew | cheekee: i've been trying to get information from you in Private Messages so that I could help you |
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| 19:49.36 | cheekee | I am on IRSSI. I just started using it so I don't know how to access PMs |
| 19:50.10 | trifler | cheekee: press ctrl+n to move forward in your windows. or ctr+b to back. |
| 19:50.14 | rohan | cheekee: it opens as a new "window", when sent to you |
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| 19:50.42 | trifler | cheekee: You can also use alt+(1-0) and q to p to hop inbetween windows. |
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| 19:52.02 | stoned | a-l, z-m |
| 19:52.34 | stoned | plus even more bindings for shitf_alt_1-0,a-l,z-m :D |
| 19:52.48 | stoned | and stuff but thats like if you have like 50 billion windows |
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| 19:54.13 | dvs | stoned! |
| 19:54.32 | kunal | stoned! |
| 19:54.44 | kunal | kaise ho bhai |
| 19:56.04 | buntfalke | Does anyone know a good handwriting recognition software? |
| 19:56.44 | scientes | buntfalke, i talked to a guy once that creates handwriting recognition software for the FBI |
| 19:56.50 | scientes | it was really simple stuff |
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| 19:57.15 | scientes | wait, it was fingerprint recognition |
| 19:57.21 | buntfalke | Cool. But how exactly is this going to help me? |
| 19:57.24 | icebrain | lol |
| 19:57.25 | scientes | i have no idea |
| 19:57.26 | kunal | scientes- he wants a program |
| 19:57.31 | buntfalke | :-) |
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| 19:57.40 | scientes | if i knew i would say |
| 19:57.57 | stoned | hey im alright |
| 19:58.01 | kunal | buntfalke- i know a few for windows, if thats going to hle. |
| 19:58.06 | kunal | help. |
| 19:58.27 | buntfalke | kunal: --> query |
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| 19:59.30 | icebrain | buntfalke: have you tried googling it? first page returns a review on CellWriter by Linux.coom |
| 20:00.19 | buntfalke | icebrain: i tried wikiing it ;-) |
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| 20:00.25 | kunal | stoned. |
| 20:01.21 | stoned | yo |
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| 20:01.24 | dvs | nes |
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| 20:02.08 | stoned | kunal, if you feel more comfortable in #debian-in you can go there |
| 20:02.13 | Sashi | ello |
| 20:02.17 | kunal | thanks stoned. |
| 20:02.29 | Sashi | i have a small problem |
| 20:02.30 | stoned | sure |
| 20:02.42 | stoned | though there are only a few of us indians there |
| 20:02.52 | stoned | you may have better luck asking for support in #debian |
| 20:03.00 | stoned | it doesn't seem like english is an issue for you |
| 20:03.03 | Sashi | my lan is connected to a gigabit switch, all comps have gigabit nics, right now im trying to transfer over some files and the max is around 2-3MB/s anyne know why |
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| 20:03.20 | scientes | Sashi, hard drive speed? |
| 20:03.23 | Sashi | nope |
| 20:03.27 | Sashi | i used hdparm |
| 20:03.32 | Sashi | about 800MB/s |
| 20:03.35 | scientes | try ethtool |
| 20:03.49 | scientes | you have to use hdparm with caching off |
| 20:04.02 | pop79 | hi |
| 20:04.04 | Sashi | whats the command for that |
| 20:04.11 | scientes | idk, try ethtool also |
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| 20:04.51 | scientes | r8169 (realtek) had a kernel bug that created even slower speeds too |
| 20:04.57 | Sashi | nope its on at 1000Mb/s |
| 20:05.06 | Sashi | its a netgear gigabit nic |
| 20:05.36 | Sashi | ok wait nvm its picking up i guess? lol |
| 20:05.45 | Sashi | its at 28MB/s still a tad slow for gigabit lan |
| 20:05.53 | Sashi | i expect at least 40-50 |
| 20:05.59 | scientes | hard drives are rarely faster than that |
| 20:06.40 | Sashi | oh? |
| 20:06.43 | buntfalke | icebrain: cellwriter is online recognition (as in "as you write"). I need offline recog., as in: scanned documents |
| 20:06.56 | dvs | scientes: hard drives are approaching 100MB/s peak |
| 20:06.58 | scientes | you have to moved things from ram to ram |
| 20:07.06 | scientes | well i have slow hard drives then cause im cheep :) |
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| 20:07.17 | Sashi | it still looks its at 2MB tho |
| 20:07.20 | stoned | what about solid state raids ? |
| 20:07.21 | Sashi | it likes to stay at 2 |
| 20:07.26 | stoned | thats freaking FAST eh |
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| 20:07.55 | stoned | expensive though |
| 20:08.03 | stoned | very very expensive |
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| 20:08.21 | commander_ | i run ubuntu 8.10 how can i get lenny 5.0? |
| 20:08.32 | stoned | !d-i commander_ |
| 20:08.32 | dpkg | commander_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/. |
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| 20:08.55 | rohan | commander_: ubuntu and debian aren't related. you have to install debian separately. you can't "upgrade" your ubuntu to debian |
| 20:08.58 | stoned | commander_, download debian netinst, read the install guide, boot with it, or use debian cd1 or kdecd1 |
| 20:09.19 | stoned | commander_, or you can debootstrap a debian inside ubuntu use both simultaneously |
| 20:09.36 | stoned | commander_, or you can debootstrap to full debian and wipe out ubuntu after |
| 20:09.44 | stoned | !tell commander_ -about ig |
| 20:09.47 | rohan | whoa, too complicated |
| 20:09.53 | stoned | commander_, read the install guide |
| 20:10.03 | stoned | chapters 2-5 |
| 20:10.10 | stoned | especially 3 |
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| 20:10.21 | commander_ | can i keep both cuz i got Vista on here too |
| 20:11.12 | rohan | commander_: you can, but you need to create a separate partition for debian |
| 20:11.14 | stoned | sure, install debian in a new partition and don't do the grub install step, modify your ubuntu's grub to make a new entry to this partition/kernel/initrd OR you can wipe ubuntu grub and use the one from debian |
| 20:11.41 | stoned | I think debian's grub install should create entries for ubuntu and vista |
| 20:12.01 | stoned | so you can probably use that... |
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| 20:13.45 | obnauticus | Anyone here know how to duplex a sound card with oss? |
| 20:14.07 | obnauticus | Like... I want two processes to be able to access two different i/o on the sound card |
| 20:14.26 | stoned | that depends |
| 20:14.28 | obnauticus | i have one application i want to `listen` to the line-in, and one application i want to play sound files on the line-out |
| 20:14.38 | obnauticus | well...im never using the same port at once |
| 20:14.42 | obnauticus | it just says /dev/dsp is busy :( |
| 20:14.43 | stoned | dmix/alsa can do software mixing where an application doesn't block access to the device |
| 20:15.00 | stoned | if your application controls the sound device then I don't think you can multiplex |
| 20:15.03 | obnauticus | well mpg123-alsa blocks access :( |
| 20:15.09 | stoned | hydrogen is known to do that |
| 20:15.15 | obnauticus | errr |
| 20:15.16 | stoned | as well as skeyp in my exp |
| 20:15.22 | stoned | could be few others |
| 20:15.23 | obnauticus | Same with asterisk. |
| 20:15.25 | commander_ | can i install it inside ubuntu? |
| 20:15.30 | stoned | commander_, yes |
| 20:15.34 | obnauticus | I am not surprised about asterisk though |
| 20:15.36 | stoned | !tell commander_ -about debootstrap |
| 20:15.42 | obnauticus | stoned i would probably have to get two sound cards then, eh |
| 20:15.49 | stoned | I'm stoned |
| 20:15.57 | stoned | I dunno nothing bout nothing, you may wish to confirm it with someone else here too |
| 20:16.01 | stoned | :/ |
| 20:16.05 | jelly-home | I'm Batman, |
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| 20:17.32 | dvs | jelly-home: one of my favourite lines of all time. ;-) |
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| 20:17.56 | stoned | shouldn't batme be like half bat, half man |
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| 20:18.08 | stoned | batman* |
| 20:18.16 | gigo | I have a program compiled with mcs meant for mono called: hello.exe. If I just do ./hello.exe it runs automatically. How does it happen? |
| 20:18.27 | stoned | but he is the coolest, using technology to kick ass, without superpowers, he is a real super hero |
| 20:18.31 | gigo | why do I not have to do mono hello.exe. Why does it run only with ./hello.exe / |
| 20:18.32 | gigo | ? |
| 20:18.35 | stoned | gigo, uhm |
| 20:18.47 | stoned | gigo, read more about mono cli |
| 20:19.02 | stoned | and how the code is converted to il and then to .. im not gonna explain it |
| 20:19.04 | HSNews | people. how to set eth0 as default? eth1 as secondary? |
| 20:19.16 | stoned | also join #C# and ##mono |
| 20:19.19 | keith4_ | !interfaces |
| 20:19.19 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 20:19.34 | gigo | stoned, no, I mean Linux wouldn't execute a code unless it knows the interpreter from the she-bang line or it is an ELF32 file |
| 20:19.47 | HSNews | I've got internet by eth0 but eth1 conflicted with eth0 and deny internet traffic |
| 20:20.02 | gigo | but my hello.exe is neither ELF file nor does it have a shebang line on the top. how then Linux understands that it must be executed with mono? |
| 20:20.09 | HSNews | keith4_: thanks |
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| 20:20.18 | dvs | gigo: I think that's called "binding" but I've never done it before. |
| 20:20.42 | jelly-home | HSNews: don't put the "gateway" line in the definition of the second interface. |
| 20:21.14 | commander_ | how and what âdo i download? i386 and what do i get? |
| 20:21.16 | HSNews | jelly-home: Hm... where is it? In Network applet? |
| 20:21.25 | stoned | You can also make a systemwide change, and use binfmt to register the exe files as non-native binaries |
| 20:21.31 | stoned | modprobe bimft |
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| 20:21.35 | jelly-home | gigo: binfmt-misc |
| 20:21.59 | gigo | jelly, what is binfmt-misc |
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| 20:22.24 | stoned | http://www.mono-project.com/Guide:Running_Mono_Applications |
| 20:22.27 | jelly-home | HSNews: it's in the interfaces file that dpkg told you about |
| 20:22.28 | stoned | enjoy |
| 20:22.47 | Farhadix | Hey guys, which group can mount and unmount drives? and which can write in fat/ntfs drives? |
| 20:23.01 | keith4_ | !fstab |
| 20:23.01 | dpkg | somebody said fstab was a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 20:23.15 | HSNews | in interfaces file i have only: auto lo |
| 20:23.15 | HSNews | iface lo inet loopback |
| 20:23.16 | HSNews | ( |
| 20:23.25 | keith4_ | !pastebin |
| 20:23.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 20:23.34 | HSNews | ok |
| 20:23.59 | keith4_ | I wonder if I could go a whole day with just telling dpkg to spit factoids... |
| 20:24.34 | stoned | use !tell ? |
| 20:24.49 | stoned | like /msg dpkt tell blah about blah |
| 20:24.49 | stoned | ? |
| 20:24.53 | sd32 | I wonder why debian abandoned the live cd in lenny? |
| 20:25.00 | keith4_ | stoned: yep |
| 20:25.06 | dvs | sd32: They have one |
| 20:25.15 | sd32 | dvs, really? |
| 20:25.18 | stoned | 2009-02-15: Debian Live Lenny 5.0.0 |
| 20:25.19 | stoned | Debian Lenny 5.0.0 was released, for the first time also featuring live systems. |
| 20:25.26 | dvs | sd32: yes, I d'l it yesterday |
| 20:25.39 | stoned | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:25.42 | sd32 | dvs ok thanks |
| 20:25.45 | dvs | np |
| 20:25.53 | sd32 | tahnks stoned |
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| 20:26.41 | gigo | stoned, that's a good article. thanks. |
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| 20:27.02 | stoned | yup |
| 20:27.06 | somedude | does anyone know what to do if it says your cdrom is not recognized when you install |
| 20:27.25 | stoned | it means your hardware is newer than the drivers in the kernel |
| 20:27.26 | jelly-home | HSNews: I have no idea of how your network gets configured then, sorry. |
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| 20:27.49 | somedude | wow the kernel must be really old because this pc is from like 5 years ago at least |
| 20:27.51 | stoned | somedude, what hw do you have? mobo? whats your controller? |
| 20:27.57 | stoned | hm |
| 20:28.05 | stoned | well then is your cdrom connected? |
| 20:28.06 | stoned | lol |
| 20:28.16 | somedude | yeah since the install boots off the cdrom |
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| 20:28.32 | stoned | i thought it was bios maybe sometimes people don't know the diff |
| 20:28.32 | somedude | its funny debian has trouble installing from a cdrom but they sell bluray discs of it |
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| 20:28.44 | stoned | its not funny |
| 20:28.57 | somedude | yeah its more annoying than funny |
| 20:29.00 | dvs | somedude: I've miffed that Debian is up to 5 DVDs now |
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| 20:29.13 | somedude | well i always do a netinstall anyways |
| 20:29.17 | stoned | the whole words uses debian cds, so debian doesn't have a problem |
| 20:29.20 | stoned | YOU have a problem |
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| 20:29.39 | somedude | the whole words? |
| 20:29.41 | stoned | don't blame debian for something it has no control over |
| 20:29.54 | somedude | it has no control over if it supports a 5 year old cdrom drive? |
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| 20:29.59 | valdyn | somedude: have you tried a different distro at all? |
| 20:30.01 | stew | somedude: what version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 20:30.03 | somedude | if it doesnt have control of that what does it have control of |
| 20:30.06 | somedude | 5.0 |
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| 20:30.40 | valdyn | somedude: you dont understand what you are talking of |
| 20:30.41 | Farhadix | I have added my user to "disk" group. but I can't mount and write in ntfs/vfat drives. |
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| 20:30.55 | somedude | what dont i understand |
| 20:31.01 | stoned | Farhadix, its kinda not hard ;) |
| 20:31.07 | kunal | stoned, if you dont mind, can you meet me at debian-in |
| 20:31.11 | stoned | Farhadix, /msg dpkg ntfs-rw or /msg dpkg ntfsro |
| 20:31.15 | stoned | kunal, sure |
| 20:31.18 | kunal | thanks. |
| 20:31.35 | Farhadix | thanks |
| 20:31.55 | stew | somedude: how is the cdrom connected? ide? |
| 20:31.58 | stoned | Farhadix, for fat, /msg dpkg vfatrw I think |
| 20:32.01 | somedude | yeah |
| 20:32.04 | stoned | hm |
| 20:32.09 | stew | somedude: which controller do you have? |
| 20:32.33 | somedude | i don't know i don't have the controller memorized |
| 20:32.47 | valdyn | Farhadix: why would you add your user to disk group? |
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| 20:32.49 | stew | somedude: lspci should tell you |
| 20:32.54 | valdyn | Farhadix: thats like giving the user root |
| 20:33.00 | somedude | well when linux is installed i'll be sure to run that |
| 20:33.13 | kunal | i used safe mode windows to install my debian. |
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| 20:33.36 | kunal | i took a USB drive and ran CMD safe mode. |
| 20:33.45 | stoned | kunal, yeh ok so you didn't do what I was saying |
| 20:33.47 | kunal | and from there i made a command to install Debian |
| 20:33.55 | stoned | did you put a debian iso on the usb thingy? |
| 20:33.55 | kunal | no because |
| 20:34.00 | kunal | yes. i did |
| 20:34.13 | kunal | and i went to safe mode windows |
| 20:34.18 | kunal | safe mode CMD |
| 20:34.20 | kunal | and ran it there |
| 20:34.23 | valdyn | somedude: you dont need to install it to run lspci |
| 20:34.25 | kunal | ran the setup.exe file. |
| 20:34.25 | stoned | what? |
| 20:34.33 | stoned | I'm not aware of any setup.exe ! |
| 20:34.42 | stoned | is it something that works like debian.exe? |
| 20:34.45 | jpinx | when I chroot into a 2nd lenny I can't get aptitude to connect to the repos. Any ideas why or where should I look for the errors? |
| 20:34.47 | kunal | yes. there is a setup.exe for debian. |
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| 20:35.03 | somedude | so now i wonder couldnt the installer run lspci and see what controller you have and then respond accordingly |
| 20:35.04 | kunal | that installs a boot up file |
| 20:35.06 | valdyn | jpinx: start by telling us the error message(s) |
| 20:35.12 | somedude | it seems like needless tasks are put to the end user than should be in the program |
| 20:35.24 | stoned | kunal, can you get back into windows safe mode? and have networking? I'm thinking it would be as simple as using debian.exe (/msg dpkg debian.exe) |
| 20:35.25 | kunal | stoned-its what took me to this stage where i have the thing |
| 20:35.34 | themill | stoned: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32 |
| 20:35.37 | jpinx | valdyn: just "Could not resolve âsecurity.debian.orgâ" |
| 20:35.38 | stew | somedude: the installer shouldn't need lspci, it can see the hardware directly, usually, yes |
| 20:35.43 | valdyn | somedude: this is not the whine channel, report a bug or fix it, or shut up |
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| 20:35.54 | stoned | kunal, well you can switch to tty2 and try to mount the iso manuallyk |
| 20:35.58 | somedude | i didnt whine i made a statement |
| 20:35.59 | kunal | i dont have full access in windows. i do have access into safemode windows. |
| 20:36.03 | kunal | yes |
| 20:36.05 | kunal | that could work. |
| 20:36.06 | stoned | themill, thanks man, I had no idea, I haven't read the instal guide yet |
| 20:36.07 | kunal | let me do that now |
| 20:36.14 | kunal | ok |
| 20:36.17 | stoned | this must be a new thing, I've never heard of a setup.exe in debian before |
| 20:36.20 | kunal | pressed control alt f4 |
| 20:36.29 | stoned | kunal, I have no knowledge of this, I don't know if i can be helpful |
| 20:36.37 | kunal | ok. |
| 20:36.49 | somedude | also it seems strange end users should be expected to fix bad code again this seems like needless tasks passed on to the user |
| 20:36.58 | somedude | doesnt seem efficent |
| 20:37.03 | stew | somedude: which code is bad? |
| 20:37.11 | somedude | i dont think this will increase your productivity |
| 20:37.14 | kunal | ctl + alt + f4 = tty2 right ? |
| 20:37.15 | stoned | kunal, though you should still be able to mount the iso fromthe usb to the place |
| 20:37.20 | stoned | kunal, alt+f2 |
| 20:37.22 | somedude | the code some guy just told me to fix by hand apparently |
| 20:37.31 | stoned | f4 = tty4(log console) |
| 20:37.32 | stew | somedude: note that debian is an operating system comprised entirely of contribution by volunteer end-users |
| 20:37.34 | Farhadix | dpkg tell me about adding some lines to fstab, but in lenny when I click on a partition it makes automatically a folder under /media and mount partition(root user), I like this feature of lenny and I wanna save this. now How I can enable this feature for other users without writing any thing in fstab |
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| 20:37.43 | stoned | lol cute |
| 20:37.52 | stoned | Farhadix, /msg dpkg searchterm |
| 20:37.55 | kunal | oh ok. stoned- i think from here on i'll have to do reearch? |
| 20:37.57 | stew | somedude: what code? what guy? |
| 20:38.02 | stoned | Farhadix, hang on |
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| 20:38.27 | kunal | i think here i have to load in kernels in tty2 mode. |
| 20:38.39 | stoned | kunal, yeh, go to tty2, and mount the iso file to the device debian will read, I have no idea where you'd mount it to |
| 20:38.50 | boot_loop | if I ran the command 'sudo modprobe -r psmouse' to disable my touch stick mouse on my laptop but it also disabled my touchpad, now I want my touchpad back, how do I revert that command? |
| 20:38.52 | jpinx | valdyn: from my chroot I can ping the outside world, but Aptitude can't connect to us.debian.org |
| 20:38.59 | commander_ | stoned r u there? |
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| 20:39.11 | valdyn | jpinx: what is the error message? what is "the outside world" ? |
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| 20:39.15 | stoned | kunal, though I would still say that if you can get into safe mode again with networking, just install debian.exe and go from there it wil lbe really easy |
| 20:39.40 | valdyn | jpinx: itl be much easier if you just paste specific commands with their outputs, i would have to ask much less questions |
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| 20:39.48 | jpinx | valdyn: 64 bytes from 193.110.88.147: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=191 ms |
| 20:40.06 | valdyn | jpinx: so now i can still only guess that you used an ip to ping, not a name |
| 20:40.06 | jpinx | Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release.gpg |
| 20:40.06 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.12 | valdyn | jpinx: is that true? |
| 20:40.30 | jpinx | yes |
| 20:40.43 | valdyn | jpinx: ok, make /etc/resolv.conf identical to /etc/resolv.conf in the main system |
| 20:40.51 | jpinx | ok - thanks |
| 20:41.22 | kunal | stoned. i think 1 part of the installation is complete. i think stoned, i am on phase 2 where I need to mount a CD to complete the installation. or need to manually config it to connect to ethernet and download rest of installation. |
| 20:41.24 | stoned | had a phoen call |
| 20:41.25 | stoned | back |
| 20:41.27 | stoned | commander_, yes |
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| 20:41.46 | stoned | kunal, if you did netboot you wouldn't have this problem like I advised lat night |
| 20:42.07 | kunal | whats netboot? |
| 20:42.12 | kunal | let me wiki it |
| 20:42.16 | stoned | !netboot |
| 20:42.17 | dpkg | netboot is, like, put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS (static, not module) in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt |
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| 20:42.27 | _Maikon_ | hello to all |
| 20:42.28 | stoned | ahh boy nevermind that |
| 20:42.36 | stoned | useless factoid for this |
| 20:42.39 | _Maikon_ | i have a problem |
| 20:42.48 | kunal | stoned- i think i can still install netboot |
| 20:42.52 | _Maikon_ | my mp4 videos don't sound |
| 20:42.59 | valdyn | stoned: wheres the factoid where you get the boot.img over network? |
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| 20:43.05 | valdyn | stoned: the kernel even |
| 20:43.14 | stoned | kunal, netboot is a minimal kernel/initrd.gz which boots debian and then it will download the debian installer and launch it, which in turn will download the debian base system |
| 20:43.22 | stoned | valdyn, not sure |
| 20:43.35 | valdyn | !pxe |
| 20:43.35 | dpkg | hmm... pxe is Preboot eXecution Environment, a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 Also ask about <gPXE>. |
| 20:43.43 | kunal | stoned- can i launch netboot from safe mode windows? |
| 20:43.44 | valdyn | mm |
| 20:43.57 | stoned | sure |
| 20:44.09 | commander_ | i need help big time i can't download 5.0 and i don't know which 1 to DL |
| 20:44.14 | stoned | if you are online inside safemode with entworking even easier |
| 20:44.25 | LightKnight | Hi there, anyone knowledgeable with ddrescue? It's stuck on "Trimming error areas..." at a certain point for hours, and I don't know whether I can kill it or not. |
| 20:44.27 | stoned | if offline, you'd need to download the stuff on a other computer and transfer it to here |
| 20:44.40 | stoned | commander_, you want gnome or kde? |
| 20:44.40 | valdyn | commander_: the first cd or dvd or the netinstall disk, just netinstall if you dont need wlan in the beginning |
| 20:44.53 | kunal | yes. stoned- i think its best if i have the system online. |
| 20:44.59 | themill | dpkg: tell commander_ about cd1 |
| 20:45.06 | kunal | can netboot detect ethernet port? |
| 20:45.07 | stoned | well can you get into window safe mode with networking? |
| 20:45.07 | dmoerner | 2.6.28 is in sid amd64...hopefully the rest of the buildds will catch up to amd64 which also has glibc 2.9 |
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| 20:45.22 | commander_ | I DOn't have a CD just a thumbdrive |
| 20:45.25 | kunal | testing |
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| 20:45.43 | stoned | kunal, 1) go to windows safemode with networking if you can. browse to www.goodbye-microsoft.com. 2) download debian.exe, launch it, follow onscreen instructions, enjoy |
| 20:45.44 | commander_ | gnome would suffice |
| 20:45.59 | Farhadix | stoned, did you find any way? |
| 20:46.09 | dvs | dmoerner: only squeeze will "catch up" soon |
| 20:46.19 | kunal | thanks stoned :) |
| 20:46.30 | kunal | hope this works. |
| 20:46.37 | valdyn | dvs: sid |
| 20:46.43 | valdyn | dvs: thats what hes only talking about |
| 20:46.46 | stoned | kunal, if you do not have internet on that safemode windows, then you need to go to a computer with internet, download netboot kernel/initrd.gz, grub for NT, then install grub for NT in windows, change c:\menu.lst to contain an entry to the initrd.gz and go from there |
| 20:46.59 | dvs | valdyn: oh, builds, not dists. |
| 20:47.12 | stoned | kunal, I have a great idea |
| 20:47.18 | kunal | go on. |
| 20:47.26 | stoned | kunal, take out the cdrom from your other computer, temporarily hook it up to the system without a cdrom, and install |
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| 20:47.32 | stoned | that would just like, totally be painles |
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| 20:48.07 | stoned | Farhadix, find what? |
| 20:48.09 | kunal | yes its an awesome idea. only problem is that i am using a thinkpad laptop. and my other computer is some old laptop without a CD rom. |
| 20:48.21 | stoned | oh its laptops |
| 20:48.25 | kunal | yes. |
| 20:48.29 | valdyn | kunal: you can also use pxe boot |
| 20:48.31 | kunal | makes things alot more complicated. |
| 20:48.38 | stoned | setup pxe on your other system |
| 20:48.39 | kunal | whats pxe boot? |
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| 20:48.56 | valdyn | kunal: your network card can load an operating system kernel itself directly |
| 20:49.00 | stoned | you can boot the installer over the network |
| 20:49.04 | dmoerner | i always use pxe to install on my cdrom-less thinkpad |
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| 20:49.21 | kunal | ah good idea |
| 20:49.23 | stoned | me too, I have a live cd being served as pxe |
| 20:49.23 | valdyn | kunal: im not sure its to hard for you to set up, but i found it very nice to install on cdrom-less thinkpads |
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| 20:49.42 | kunal | i think this pxe idea might just work |
| 20:49.44 | dmoerner | you can use the old knoppix 5.1.1 livecd image, it has an automated dhcp server/tftp server |
| 20:49.54 | kunal | as its working via ethernet ports |
| 20:50.05 | dmoerner | and then from the booted knoppix system you can either bootstrap debian by hand or install grub and the installer initrd/kernel |
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| 20:50.21 | kunal | so just connect both the computers with a standard internet cable |
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| 20:50.45 | valdyn | kunal: no, you need "special" network cards on one of both at least, or a crossover cable |
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| 20:50.54 | valdyn | kunal: i dont know if thinkpads require crossover cable or not |
| 20:51.08 | bolt | alsa |
| 20:51.11 | valdyn | kunal: or you have a switch |
| 20:51.13 | bolt | er. wrong window |
| 20:51.18 | commander_ | hello |
| 20:51.20 | kunal | or a switch. no i dont |
| 20:51.26 | kunal | you mean a lan port? |
| 20:51.30 | kunal | i have a router |
| 20:51.38 | valdyn | kunal: you have a switch then |
| 20:51.45 | kunal | sorry. yes |
| 20:51.45 | kunal | i do |
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| 20:51.51 | valdyn | kunal: those "routers" you buy for cheap have a switch integrated |
| 20:51.59 | Dominicus | I'm using KDE 4.2 from the experimental repository. Can someone tell me whether I should be reporting a critical failure of KDE 4.2 with a debian bug tracker, or with a KDE bug tracker? |
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| 20:52.27 | valdyn | Dominicus: debian bug tracker primarily |
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| 20:52.54 | kunal | right valdyn. all of this is very helpful acutally. i have a direction i know i could work through now. |
| 20:53.01 | Dominicus | valdyn: Thanks. I've never had to track/report a bug before, so i was unsure where to post it. =) |
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| 20:53.12 | kunal | only problem is that its 2AM here at night |
| 20:53.15 | valdyn | Dominicus: just run reportbug |
| 20:53.18 | kunal | and i need to sleep as i have to get work done. |
| 20:53.19 | kunal | tmrw |
| 20:53.30 | kunal | so please excuse me for now. i will work on this again tmrw morning. |
| 20:53.39 | aburch | Dominicus: Report them in the KDE bug tracker. See http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html. |
| 20:53.41 | kunal | sigh. its alot of owrk for me. |
| 20:53.41 | dvs | kunal: you must stay!!! ;-) |
| 20:53.46 | kunal | hahaha |
| 20:53.48 | kunal | pleasee! |
| 20:54.12 | Dominicus | valdyn: That reportbug is nifty. and Thanks aburch. |
| 20:54.16 | aburch | Dominicus: Or ask on the mailing list mentioned there. |
| 20:54.33 | kunal | anyways valdyn, stoned and dvs. thanks alot for your help :) |
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| 20:54.36 | kunal | much appriciated. |
| 20:54.39 | dvs | np |
| 20:54.41 | kunal | good night guys. |
| 20:54.45 | kunal | ttyl |
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| 21:04.45 | sameerynho | how can i update my local testing repository with debmirror? |
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| 21:05.11 | eptalon | heyas |
| 21:05.32 | eptalon | Is there a meaningful way to recover data form a lost+found directory? |
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| 21:08.08 | stoned | man im blowing up today people callin left n right |
| 21:08.15 | stoned | kun... |
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| 21:09.52 | Twixboy_ | Pennergame ist coolPennergame ist CoolP |
| 21:09.52 | Twixboy_ | nnerg |
| 21:09.52 | Twixboy_ | me ist cool |
| 21:09.52 | Twixboy_ | Pennergame ist cool |
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| 21:10.28 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, two failed kernel compiles 'caus it can't find zlib.h. |
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| 21:12.27 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: theres at least 2 distinct zlib.h, tell the complete error |
| 21:12.33 | sepult | i don't get "kde" showed as a session menu on kdm ? what's the reason ? |
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| 21:16.50 | linux_stu | when i try to mount /dev/sdb1 immediately after a seemingly successful 'sudo mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/sdb1', i get the error 'FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors'. what is this? |
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| 21:17.25 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/28987/ |
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| 21:19.07 | asdfqwer | good fs for disk images? and/or static storage? |
| 21:19.10 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: I think that was the same error I got on the debian sources (loosing track a bit). |
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| 21:19.15 | \amethyst | linux_stu: how big is /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 21:19.24 | linux_stu | \amethyst, 128 mb |
| 21:19.36 | linux_stu | it's an sd card |
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| 21:20.59 | linux_stu | \amethyst, mount gives me the error "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program..." |
| 21:21.20 | \amethyst | linux_stu: what if you pass -R 1 to mkdosfs ? |
| 21:21.33 | linux_stu | dmesg has the lines " FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors" and " VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdb1." |
| 21:21.33 | linux_stu | ok |
| 21:21.47 | \amethyst | linux_stu: looking over the source, that message happens when the FS doesn't have any reserved sectors |
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| 21:22.03 | \amethyst | linux_stu: that's strange, though, because mkdosfs is supposed to default to one |
| 21:22.13 | linux_stu | hmm |
| 21:22.30 | linux_stu | i formatted it to ext3 once and it was able to mount fine. |
| 21:22.47 | wedge | what package provides /usr/bin/php5 in lenny? |
| 21:22.58 | linux_stu | in fdisk, the partition is "/dev/sdb1 * 1 979 125296 6 FAT16" |
| 21:23.00 | wedge | I already have php5 installed, but can only see /usr/bin/php5-cgi |
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| 21:23.28 | blizzkid | lo all. Anyone in here would be willing to create a rtorrent binary for mips? |
| 21:23.28 | tziku | How can i format a memorystick with bigger clusters ? |
| 21:23.59 | \amethyst | tziku: the -s option to mkdosfs |
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| 21:24.19 | tziku | thx \amethyst |
| 21:24.38 | avu | !tell wedge about search |
| 21:25.29 | linux_stu | is at a loss |
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| 21:25.53 | \amethyst | linux_stu: mkfsing with -R 1 doesn't help? |
| 21:25.59 | linux_stu | \amethyst, nope |
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| 21:26.43 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
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| 21:28.22 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: that part where your build is failing is building a userspace program |
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| 21:30.42 | dihymo | linux-kbuild-2.6.28 anyone have that one? |
| 21:31.22 | eptalon | dihymo: that was broken, last time I checked.. |
| 21:31.33 | eptalon | Or has sid updated to 2.6.28 yet? |
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| 21:31.50 | valdyn | eptalon: yes, or its building atm |
| 21:32.07 | stew | dihymo: its in the NEW queue waiting approval |
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| 21:33.19 | dihymo | i have linux-image-2.6.28 (takes forever to ask for the password for the encrypted disc) |
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| 21:34.37 | eptalon | valdyn: linux-kbuild for 2.6.28 not installable.. |
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| 21:40.39 | stef_ | Hello, is there any way I can downgrade perl from 5.10 to 5.8 on lenny ? I need it in order to run Zimbra |
| 21:41.11 | valdyn | stef_: or you could add perl 5.8 just for zimbra |
| 21:41.27 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Thanks, allready running the build with that - good to get validation! |
| 21:41.31 | stef_ | valdyn: how could I do that? |
| 21:42.05 | valdyn | stef_: by building it yourself and installing it somewhere where it does not interfer with debian stuff |
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| 21:42.29 | valdyn | stef_: perl 5.10 really breaks zimbra? |
| 21:42.58 | stef_ | valdyn: yes, it does... /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /opt/zimbra/zimbramon/lib/i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi/auto/IO/IO.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr |
| 21:43.04 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: cd Documentation/lguest ; make |
| 21:43.11 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: thats a quick test |
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| 21:44.15 | stef_ | so, is there a way to downgrade to perl 5.8 on debian lenny? |
| 21:44.26 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Like I said, alredy running the build, and it got past that error and is ... building the dpkg now. Thanks! |
| 21:44.33 | eptalon | 2.6.28 headers depend on broken package? |
| 21:44.56 | valdyn | eptalon: this is sid, and beside that new packages do not flow in instantly |
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| 21:45.26 | jhutchins_lt | still needs a program, all he knows is etch, etchnhalf, lenny. |
| 21:45.46 | jhutchins_lt | If the names were alphabetical... |
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| 21:47.06 | unjustice | Hi, I just installed Debian Lenny and I was trying to set up a RAID 1 array across 3 disks, it looks like the install worked, is there a way to check that the RAID is working? mdadm, er something? |
| 21:47.27 | valdyn | unjustice: cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 21:47.48 | eptalon | what did I miss? |
| 21:48.00 | jhutchins_lt | Is unstable sid or squeze? And is unstable == testing? |
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| 21:48.13 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: sid,no |
| 21:48.24 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: unstable = sid, thats not testing |
| 21:48.26 | unjustice | Personalities : [raid1] |
| 21:48.26 | unjustice | md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 sda1[0] |
| 21:48.26 | unjustice | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.31 | unjustice | valdyn: thanks, what should I be looking for... |
| 21:48.34 | unjustice | that? |
| 21:48.42 | valdyn | unjustice: thats a raid |
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| 21:48.59 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: What's testing's name then? |
| 21:49.08 | unjustice | valdyn: sweet, thank you much |
| 21:49.09 | eptalon | unjustice: thats a raid array with one (failed) drive |
| 21:49.16 | unjustice | ? |
| 21:49.18 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: squeeze, I guess |
| 21:49.32 | valdyn | unjustice: you have only 1 block device ( sda1 ) in that raid |
| 21:49.35 | unjustice | eptalon: so one of my drives is not responding... |
| 21:49.41 | eptalon | unjustice: A RAID1 needs 2 drives to work. |
| 21:49.44 | valdyn | unjustice: no |
| 21:49.45 | unjustice | I have 3 |
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| 21:50.05 | unjustice | okay |
| 21:50.10 | valdyn | unjustice: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/whatever |
| 21:50.16 | eptalon | unjustice: md1 : active raid1 sdc1[0] sdd1[1] 979840 blocks [2/2] [UU] |
| 21:50.36 | valdyn | unjustice: the size is 2 disks, its not 3 |
| 21:50.43 | eptalon | unjustice: thats how a raid1 looks here (working) |
| 21:51.12 | eptalon | unjustice: with 3 drives, you can make a RAID5, with less lost capacity. |
| 21:51.18 | valdyn | unjustice: its working fine, but it cannot mirror |
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| 21:51.24 | unjustice | eptalon: oh... |
| 21:51.37 | unjustice | eptalon: I thought I needed 4 for RAID 5....grrr |
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| 21:51.43 | eptalon | unjustice: or a RAID1 with a ht spare (which is a vaste of space) |
| 21:52.05 | unjustice | eptalon: that is a long time to wait to repartition all of the drives again for a RAID 5 |
| 21:52.07 | Kabraxis | I am sorry for stupid question but i dont use Debian for everyday. Why in lenny firefox and thunerbird doesnt exist? I know iceweasel exist but why? |
| 21:52.07 | valdyn | raid10 on 3 disks can be neat too |
| 21:52.15 | unjustice | yeah, I thought I would try it |
| 21:52.23 | eptalon | unjustice: min 3 (active) for a RAID5, min 4 active for a RAID6 |
| 21:52.24 | Tapout | jelly-home, you there? |
| 21:52.44 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Rebooting to the new kernel now. It won't actually do anything different, but should have restored the keyspan firmware. |
| 21:52.49 | unjustice | eptalon: ah..okay, well the one I have can still mirror one whole drive, right? |
| 21:52.53 | eptalon | valdyn: how od oyu do that with 3 disks? |
| 21:52.57 | valdyn | Kabraxis: the tradmark is not free, and in the end mozilla disallowed debian the use of the trademark |
| 21:53.04 | valdyn | eptalon: you just do it |
| 21:53.08 | unjustice | haha |
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| 21:53.14 | jhutchins_lt | WHich means theoretically I could go plug the keyspan into the new server and it would work - if I felt like driving in. |
| 21:53.19 | eptalon | unjustice: you have one working drive (and a failed mirror drive) |
| 21:53.27 | valdyn | eptalon: mdadm --create --level 10 --num-devices 3 or somesuch |
| 21:53.34 | eptalon | unjustice: once you add the failed disak, it will resync. |
| 21:54.05 | Kabraxis | valdyn: mmm... disallowed only Debian distribution? I dont understand. Why in other firefox package still exist? |
| 21:54.08 | unjustice | eptalon: so, I need to add that via the mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/ "drive" command |
| 21:54.09 | unjustice | ? |
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| 21:54.19 | valdyn | Kabraxis: because it disallowed distribution only debian, yes |
| 21:54.23 | valdyn | !iceweasel |
| 21:54.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 21:54.30 | valdyn | Kabraxis: ^^^ |
| 21:54.32 | eptalon | unjustice: yes |
| 21:54.36 | jelly-home | Tapout: my mind isn't! |
| 21:55.11 | eptalon | unjustice: and if your first is /dev/sdaX, your second shouldnt be /dev/sdaY (because thats on the same disk) |
| 21:55.30 | valdyn | unjustice: it wont resync once you add the failed disk, it will remain auto-read-only till you write something to the raid |
| 21:55.32 | Tapout | jelly-home, that post-up didn'tw ork for me |
| 21:55.34 | Tapout | didn't work for me |
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| 21:56.05 | Kabraxis | valdyn: mmm but still dont understand why only debian? Why not example gentoo or other distriubtions? |
| 21:56.08 | jelly-home | Tapout: what error did you get? |
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| 21:56.14 | Tapout | post-ip for i in {0..255}; do ip addr add 205.2.9.${i}/24 dev eth1; done |
| 21:56.16 | Tapout | no error |
| 21:56.18 | valdyn | Kabraxis: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 21:56.25 | Kabraxis | valdyn: ;) |
| 21:56.32 | unjustice | eptalon: okay, is there a way for me to check which drive is which, I do not want to overwrite the primary volume with / on it as a RAID? Sorry for the weird questions, this is my first time with RAID setup...a bit confusing :) |
| 21:57.09 | jelly-home | Tapout: and how do you know it doesn't work? |
| 21:57.11 | Tapout | jelly.... "ip: command not found" |
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| 21:57.25 | jelly-home | Tapout: that's an error. |
| 21:57.35 | jelly-home | Tapout: install it. package iproute |
| 21:57.37 | eptalon | unjustice: run mount; anything listed in there would not be good to add; apart from that, I think mdadm has some scan functionality. |
| 21:57.38 | Tapout | i just tried it outside of that script |
| 21:57.42 | Tapout | ok thanks |
| 21:57.52 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.08 | orci | hi, I installed 5.0 via net installation cdrom. How can I install gnome-desktop now? I do not see any gnome-desktop meta package |
| 21:58.16 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: uh? dont use a space as prefix |
| 21:58.22 | jelly-home | Tapout: also, you cannot use addresses .0 or .255, and probably .1 neither |
| 21:58.33 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: D'Oh! |
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| 21:59.26 | jelly-home | Tapout: in genenal, you can't use the zeroeth(sp?) and last address in your network segment, and the first one is usually reserved for the route |
| 21:59.30 | jelly-home | router* |
| 22:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Also common for the router to be at 254 |
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| 22:01.25 | unjustice | eptalon: I am looking in fstab, and I do not see all 3 drives listed... |
| 22:01.52 | evilGUI | I want to install Debian on my laptop, I have a few questions, does the Debian kernel use 8k stacks? Or do I need to recompile a kernel with 8k stacks to get my wifi working? |
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| 22:01.56 | Tapout | jelly, they've got the full \c routed to another ip |
| 22:02.02 | Tapout | i dunno, it just works :) |
| 22:02.09 | azeem | evilGUI: what kind of wifi do you have? |
| 22:02.11 | Tapout | 0 and 254 work, 255 doesn't.. |
| 22:02.31 | unjustice | eptalon: http://pastebin.com/m2c0104c6 |
| 22:02.50 | stuckey | I'm seeing funny looking boxes in Iceweasel, the boxes have numbers in them and they're showing up where chinese characters should be. Does anyone know why this is? |
| 22:02.54 | evilGUI | azeem: RTL8185 opensource drivers don't work hardly at all, so I have to use ndiswrapper. |
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| 22:03.13 | unjustice | eptalon: if I am trying to setup a mirror, I need the swap and the /boot on a non-RAID hd, right? |
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| 22:03.34 | azeem | evilGUI: what's the kernel option called? |
| 22:03.35 | jelly-home | Tapout: verify your netmask is really /24, then. |
| 22:03.41 | valdyn | stuckey: no chinese fonts installed? |
| 22:04.33 | stuckey | valdyn: Go to http://ap6.pccu.edu.tw/Encyclopedia/ and tell me what you see. |
| 22:04.37 | evilGUI | azeem: It's under kernel hacking, it's called somthing like use 4kstacks instead of 8k or somthing along those lines I have to disable that. |
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| 22:04.58 | azeem | evilGUI: well try then |
| 22:05.04 | valdyn | stuckey: chinese characters |
| 22:05.20 | evilGUI | azeem: Alright I'll try I was just hoping I wouldn't have to recompile heh. |
| 22:05.32 | stuckey | valdyn: How do I get chinese characters instaead of these funny looking number-boxes? |
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| 22:05.59 | azeem | evilGUI: I don't think anybody cares much; if you could provide the kernel option name, somebody might be able to check their stock kernel config |
| 22:06.09 | backslash | hey guys |
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| 22:06.26 | evilGUI | azeem: Alright. |
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| 22:06.38 | valdyn | stuckey: some ttf-* named packages, you probably know better than me |
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| 22:06.50 | stew | judd: kconfig 4K |
| 22:06.50 | judd | stew: Searching for '4K' in lenny kernel config gives 4KSTACKS=n. |
| 22:07.14 | evilGUI | IUse 4Kb for kernel stacks instead of 8Kb |
| 22:07.21 | evilGUI | Use* |
| 22:07.22 | valdyn | stuckey: ttf-arphic-ukai or ttf-arphic-uming |
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| 22:07.53 | bolt | is there a guide somewhere on getting 7.1 alsa sound up and running? i currenly have stereo sound, but i need to set up 7.1 and upmixing of 2 channel content |
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| 22:08.24 | valdyn | stuckey: or ttf-sil-yi - Unicode font for Yi (a script used in southwestern China) ? i dont know anything about this |
| 22:09.08 | Tapout | thanks jelly |
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| 22:09.20 | stuckey | valdyn: It doesn't make sense to me... I thought everything used Unicode now... Going to ask in xorg. |
| 22:10.14 | jelly-home | Tapout: note that ifconfig doesn't show all the addresses; ip addr does |
| 22:10.42 | Tapout | yep that's a pretty slick tool |
| 22:11.09 | valdyn | stuckey: you are confused |
| 22:11.38 | valdyn | stuckey: all these fonts implement a part of unicode |
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| 22:12.06 | valdyn | stuckey: you can hardly expect one font to cover all of unicode |
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| 22:12.26 | valdyn | stuckey: heck theres unicode parts that dont even have an actual font implementation i bet |
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| 22:12.57 | tux91 | Does anybody know how to replace debian's standard networking daemon with NetworkManager? |
| 22:13.06 | stuckey | tux91: ??? |
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| 22:13.21 | stuckey | tux91: what's debian's standard networking daemon? |
| 22:13.32 | jelly-home | tux91: there is no need for a networking daemon in a base debian system |
| 22:13.35 | valdyn | tux91: dont have interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces that you want to be used with networkmanager |
| 22:13.49 | tux91 | stuckey: it's a scrpit called networking in /etc/init.d |
| 22:13.52 | stew | tux91: debian doesn't have a standard netowrking daemon. "aptitude install network-manager" and read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 22:13.57 | valdyn | tux91: its just not a daemon that you are replacing |
| 22:14.09 | tux91 | whatever it is |
| 22:14.17 | tux91 | stew: thanks |
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| 22:14.49 | valdyn | does that README mention allow-hotplug now? |
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| 22:15.20 | stuckey | valdyn: So there's Unicode, and then there's fonts, and some Fonts are capable of displaying some Unicode characters... Is that making sense? |
| 22:15.28 | unjustice | can someone help me identify which hard drive to include in my RAID 1 without compromising my OS's functionality? With the partitions I have, and the hard drives listed in fstab...I am not sure which one I am supposed to add to complete the mirror... |
| 22:15.43 | valdyn | hmm it doesnt, but allow-hotplug can break network-manager |
| 22:15.56 | valdyn | stuckey: yea |
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| 22:16.20 | valdyn | stuckey: except that every font is capable of displaying some unicode characters, practically |
| 22:16.24 | stuckey | valdyn: How do fonts interact with Unicode? |
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| 22:16.40 | stuckey | valdyn: I mean, how does it know to come up on the screen in Iceweasel when it seems X unicode character? |
| 22:16.45 | valdyn | stuckey: unicode is just a number - character mapping |
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| 22:17.10 | valdyn | stuckey: so A has its number, B has its number, random chinese character has nother number |
| 22:17.50 | tux91 | So, is "networking" now replaced with "network-manager" automatically? |
| 22:18.02 | valdyn | tux91: didnt i just tell you? |
| 22:18.13 | valdyn | tux91: or the readme |
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| 22:18.34 | tux91 | valdyn: i read it, it didn't mention that stuff |
| 22:18.49 | stuckey | valdyn: Okay and where do Fonts come into the picture? |
| 22:18.56 | valdyn | tux91: that nm controls (just) interfaces that are not set up in specific way, as described in the README in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:19.34 | valdyn | tux91: so read the README again, it explicitely mentions this |
| 22:19.40 | tux91 | valdyn: so, installing network-manager and running the applet is all I need? |
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| 22:19.52 | valdyn | tux91: clearly, i cant help you if you cant read |
| 22:20.05 | tux91 | valdyn: chill out man) |
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| 22:22.19 | edju | I need the gtk library. along w/ gdk and gmodule. What do I install to get them? |
| 22:22.40 | jelly-home | edju: what do you need them for? |
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| 22:23.14 | edju | jelly-home, , turboprint. |
| 22:23.17 | jelly-home | edju: iow, do you need to compile something, or to make a ready-made binary usable? |
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| 22:23.57 | edju | jelly-home, to get the gui stuff for turboprint. |
| 22:24.29 | edju | jelly-home, provides the driver for my printer. |
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| 22:25.44 | jelly-home | edju: can you get ldd /path/to/binary/that/doesn't-work output? |
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| 22:27.33 | edju | jelly-home, nahh, not necessary. there is no binary that doesn't work. I'll just keep looking. |
| 22:27.56 | jelly-home | edju: so if everything works, what's the problem? |
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| 22:31.09 | jelly-home | edju: I have no idea about your application's installation process; if it doesn't build anything, libglib2.0-0 and libgtk2.0-0 packages are the ones providing dynamic libraries you asked about, |
| 22:31.19 | jelly-home | . |
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| 22:34.36 | la_boheme | i'd like a repo that has experimental/nightly builds of vlc, apart from lenny experimental, whose version is pants |
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| 22:36.13 | jelly-home | I thought "pants" meant "good". |
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| 22:36.59 | la_boheme | pants means execrable |
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| 22:37.07 | abrotman | lenny is not experiemental |
| 22:37.21 | abrotman | and you'd probably want to ask #vlc if such a thing exists |
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| 22:38.17 | jelly-home | www.videolan.org -> download -> Debian GNU/Linux -> look at them repos! |
| 22:38.33 | la_boheme | abrotman: i already have asked #vlc. and i am running lenny right now, with the experimental repo active |
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| 22:38.44 | jelly-home | "Development snapshots are available on nightlies.videolan.org." |
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| 22:39.41 | abrotman | la_boheme: if it's not in lenny, and not in experimental, you're kind of on your own i'd guess |
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| 22:41.37 | la_boheme | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 22:42.41 | UndertakerX2 | could some one update this list of dependancies for etch to lenny for me http://debian.pastebin.com/d19b2c851 |
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| 22:46.00 | abrotman | UndertakerX2: seems fine |
| 22:46.06 | abrotman | did you actually try it ? |
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| 22:46.46 | UndertakerX2 | abrotman: yes i get Couldn't find package build-essential |
| 22:47.15 | UndertakerX2 | abrotman: among other dependiancies that cant be found |
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| 22:47.44 | abrotman | then you did something wrong |
| 22:47.49 | abrotman | judd: versions build-essential |
| 22:47.49 | judd | abrotman: build-essential -- etch: 11.3 lenny: 11.4 sid: 11.4 squeeze: 11.4 |
| 22:48.17 | jelly-home | UndertakerX2: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 22:49.45 | UndertakerX2 | jlly: sure http://debian.pastebin.com/m557c5e52 |
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| 22:50.45 | abrotman | UndertakerX2: did you try `apt-get update` before trying to install ? |
| 22:51.16 | UndertakerX2 | abrotman: no, is it nesscescary? |
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| 22:51.31 | abrotman | if it's not working it might be a good place to start |
| 22:51.37 | abrotman | alos .. you shold probably be using aptitude |
| 22:51.52 | jelly-home | UndertakerX2: is this machine still running etch? |
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| 22:52.31 | jelly-home | UndertakerX2: if it is, you'll want to read "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" and upgrade the system before installing anything else |
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| 22:53.32 | UndertakerX2 | jelly: apt-get update seems to have worked, no i have a vps running lenny |
| 22:54.50 | Tapout | I've got a file... /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs ... how can I tell what package that file is included with? |
| 22:55.23 | abrotman | !tell Tapout about search |
| 22:55.50 | jelly-home | UndertakerX2: you should read the release notes for lenny anyway, and prefer using aptitude to apt-get for installing and removing packages |
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| 22:57.09 | russian_ulysses | !aptitude |
| 22:57.09 | dpkg | hmm... aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 22:57.15 | UndertakerX2 | jelly-home: why apttitude instead of apt-get? |
| 22:57.46 | jelly-home | !tell UndertakerX2 -about why aptitude |
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| 22:58.35 | UndertakerX2 | thanks for those reads guys will keep them in mind |
| 22:58.37 | ugly | I've noticed when I try to use tab completion to get a list of files that match a pattern in bash, nothing appears - specifically when I use *pattern (e.g. matching extensions) - what option controls this? |
| 22:58.50 | ugly | testing branch |
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| 23:00.41 | asdzxc | hi |
| 23:00.45 | asdzxc | how can i watch file for changes ? |
| 23:00.59 | asdzxc | i also need to know which process made the change |
| 23:01.26 | themill | asdzxc: perhaps look at the inotifywait command |
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| 23:01.47 | js_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.49 | js_ | oops |
| 23:02.01 | asdzxc | themill it won't tell 'who' |
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| 23:02.28 | ugly | ah fixed it, just had to disable bash_completion in ~/.bashrc |
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| 23:06.47 | ChrisW | hi all, the output of pstree is a bunch of goo.. I'm guessing the encoding is wrong somewhere in the term, or bash, or ?... anyone got any ideas how to correct? |
| 23:07.22 | Tapout | export LANG=POSIX |
| 23:07.23 | Tapout | perhaps |
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| 23:07.51 | themill | ChrisW: /msg dpkg ssh linedraw |
| 23:07.58 | ChrisW | echo $LANG gives en_US.UTF-8 |
| 23:08.29 | \amethyst | ChrisW: what does the crap look like? |
| 23:08.40 | \amethyst | ChrisW: â all over the place? |
| 23:08.45 | jelly-home | ChrisW: your terminal emulator might be not UTF-8 compliant |
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| 23:10.14 | ChrisW | themill: you rock, thanks :-) |
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| 23:12.29 | Tchaka | I nned the full pathname of a J2SE installation, I can find it? |
| 23:12.45 | Tchaka | on my machine |
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| 23:16.41 | BabuJee | Tchaka, uhm.. the path to the binaries? |
| 23:16.48 | BabuJee | Tchaka, dpkg -L pkgname |
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| 23:17.09 | BabuJee | grep for whatever you want, bin maybe |
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| 23:17.53 | Tchaka | BabuJee, sqldeveloper asks me the full pathname of my J2SE installation |
| 23:18.03 | BabuJee | debian doesn't have j2se does it? |
| 23:18.15 | \amethyst | Tchaka: in debian it's typically a subdirectory under /usr/lib/jvm/ |
| 23:18.32 | \amethyst | Tchaka: which one depends on which java implementation you're using |
| 23:18.53 | BabuJee | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch12.html |
| 23:18.57 | Tchaka | I installed openjdk-6-jdk |
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| 23:19.15 | Tapout | can I safely remove that damned /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs .. if I don't use nfs? it's messing up my box on reboot .. |
| 23:19.21 | Tapout | taking forever to load up |
| 23:19.30 | Tapout | and i got a workaround, but i wanna get rid of this before i employ the workaround |
| 23:19.32 | BabuJee | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/index.html#contents |
| 23:19.37 | BabuJee | take a look here at this document |
| 23:19.37 | \amethyst | Tchaka: so /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk probably |
| 23:19.38 | abrotman | Tapout: why not remove the nfs package ? |
| 23:19.48 | Tapout | abrotman, i did.. that file is still there |
| 23:19.50 | BabuJee | good stuff |
| 23:19.50 | Tapout | stayed there |
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| 23:19.59 | Tapout | and i purge'd |
| 23:20.13 | abrotman | purged which package ? |
| 23:20.16 | Tapout | if-up.d/mountnfs[eth1:58]: waiting for interface eth1:65 before doing NFS mount |
| 23:20.18 | Tapout | nfs-common |
| 23:20.31 | \amethyst | abrotman: that script is from initscripts, not nfs-common |
| 23:20.40 | Tapout | dpkg -S /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs said .. initscripts |
| 23:20.41 | dpkg | Dingos ate my /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs said .. initscripts! |
| 23:20.47 | abrotman | i see that, but i'm wondering which package he removed |
| 23:20.56 | Tapout | i removed .. 'nfs-common' |
| 23:21.19 | abrotman | you could set the script -x |
| 23:21.56 | Tapout | ya I'll do that.. but if you've got 256 aliases (which my isp, by default uses.. doesn't use the 'ip addr' method) ... it messes up the box on start |
| 23:21.58 | ceil420 | there a list where i can see all the sid entries for sources.list somewhere? |
| 23:22.01 | Tapout | from etch->lenny that is |
| 23:22.19 | ceil420 | like the 'main contrib non-free' type stuff? |
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| 23:22.26 | abrotman | ceil420: that's all of them |
| 23:22.32 | ceil420 | oh is it? |
| 23:22.43 | ceil420 | well that was easier than i thought :p |
| 23:22.44 | ceil420 | cheers |
| 23:22.48 | themill | iyhtays... |
| 23:22.48 | ceil420 | comments out lenny |
| 23:22.56 | abrotman | oh this should go poorly |
| 23:22.58 | Tchaka | \amethyst, seems to be the right path |
| 23:23.05 | ceil420 | lol |
| 23:24.01 | ceil420 | i fear no sid :p |
| 23:24.48 | themill | And yet you can't use google or read man 5 sources.list. This does not bode well. |
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| 23:25.22 | antii | can anyone help me with a apache thing? |
| 23:25.22 | antii | i wanna make so noone cant enter the folder from web, but only i can, then i wanna do so everyone can see images i can link |
| 23:25.34 | ceil420 | themill, that doesn't tell me all the sid components |
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| 23:25.53 | ceil420 | and it occurred to me to at least browse to debian.org shortly after pressing return :x |
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| 23:26.29 | I_Died_Once | Hey, this is a bit off topic, but worth asking.... |
| 23:26.31 | themill | ceil420: it tells me that your knowledge of debian isn't very good though. And man 5 sources.list lists all components in debian. |
| 23:27.01 | ceil420 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.01 | ceil420 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.01 | I_Died_Once | anyone know what program, or where to find a nice how to as aI am looking at taking a large file and I would like to split it down to smaller rar files... |
| 23:27.10 | ceil420 | if that's what you're on about, how am i to know that's all of them? |
| 23:27.15 | I_Died_Once | ....and create par2 files and upload them somewhere |
| 23:27.34 | abrotman | like .. split? |
| 23:27.34 | themill | ceil420: if you're up to running sid, you should. |
| 23:28.08 | I_Died_Once | i have a few 700meg-ish files I want to send a few people |
| 23:28.13 | ceil420 | i've had sid in use for a while; i just went in to ghost lenny today and wanted to make sure i didn't leave anything out |
| 23:28.30 | I_Died_Once | not sure on how to split it up and create the par files |
| 23:28.44 | \amethyst | I don't know of anything in Debian for creating PAR2 files |
| 23:29.04 | \amethyst | there are a few programs for verifying and repairing PAR2 sets, but not creating them |
| 23:29.16 | I_Died_Once | i dont even know where to look for the appropriate place to find help on that on |
| 23:29.25 | sylarr | I am having a bit of a problem - my server stop responding it happened twice yesterday, and today, no response from keyboard/mouse, network, etc. |
| 23:29.33 | I_Died_Once | exactly, i know how to retrieve the file frokm them, just not...... yeah |
| 23:29.39 | sylarr | But after reboot it acts OK |
| 23:29.39 | sylarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.50 | stoned | \amethyst, isn't that like the rarsoft parity creation thingy? |
| 23:29.54 | \amethyst | I_Died_Once: aha, parchive |
| 23:30.01 | stoned | \amethyst, I thought thwere was a non-free tool for this |
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| 23:32.02 | \amethyst | I_Died_Once: oh, I missed it, there's a par2 in Debian |
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| 23:33.07 | sylarr | lenny released ? weehee! |
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| 23:33.38 | I_Died_Once | yeah, those programs all help reassemble the files being split |
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| 23:33.47 | I_Died_Once | i'm looking to do the splitting |
| 23:34.31 | \amethyst | I_Died_Once: you can split into chunks with split, but the chunks won't be valid rar files themselves |
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| 23:35.05 | \amethyst | I_Died_Once: probably you'll have to use rar with the -v option |
| 23:35.09 | sylarr | ps. I was disconnected so may if anyone responded to me , I missed it |
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| 23:36.49 | sylarr | how come lenny was released? I see that it still has release critical bugs |
| 23:38.38 | sylarr | I want to move my system to a software raid 5 |
| 23:38.47 | themill | subscribes sylarr to d-d-a |
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| 23:39.42 | sylarr | Disability Discrimination Act ? |
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| 23:40.07 | sylarr | Developmental Disabilities Administration of Maryland? |
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| 23:40.45 | \amethyst | debian-devel-announce |
| 23:40.54 | sylarr | o |
| 23:41.01 | azeem | the Lenny announcement went to debian-announce, methinks |
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| 23:41.54 | themill | sylarr: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00000.html |
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| 23:46.08 | Tapout | abrotman, hrmm... chmod -x 'n that script screws the network setup. Doesnt' complete |
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| 23:46.23 | abrotman | cute |
| 23:47.01 | Tapout | so i guess i gotta suffer through 20 minute reboots :) |
| 23:47.20 | Tapout | i'll just remove the aliases and use the damn post-up method |
| 23:47.25 | sylarr | OK |
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| 23:47.48 | sylarr | I hope that the bugs concerning upgrading etch to lenny were fixed |
| 23:48.00 | \amethyst | Tapout: it might be worth filing a bug report against initscripts (if there isn't already one there) |
| 23:48.04 | abrotman | Tapout: why don't you find out why the script takes so long |
| 23:48.20 | sylarr | now to the main issue |
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| 23:49.20 | Tapout | abrotman, i've got eth0:1..256 ... aliases... it's doing... foreach (@aliases) { setup nfs/check nfs/await for network to be ready; sleep 20; } <-- the sleep 20 seems like that is what it's doing ;) |
| 23:49.45 | mosno | can anyone vouch for KVM on Lenny? i've got a Core 2 Duo laptop with 2GB RAM, for Windows XP and SLES10 guests |
| 23:50.06 | abrotman | Tapout: that seems .. dumb |
| 23:50.24 | Tapout | abrotman, i'll show you one of the lines, and it does it for each alias |
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| 23:50.42 | jelly-home | Tapout: do you actually need nfs? |
| 23:50.45 | Tapout | jelly had a method to get around it, i haven't tried it fully... using post-up and 'ip' to add multiple ips |
| 23:50.51 | Tapout | jelly, hell no |
| 23:50.56 | Tapout | i don't want anything nfs :) |
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| 23:51.02 | jelly-home | Tapout: so just purge the package. |
| 23:51.07 | Tapout | i did... :) |
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| 23:51.13 | Tapout | it's still there tho |
| 23:51.21 | jelly-home | Tapout: what's still there? |
| 23:51.24 | sylarr | does the boot CD have mdadm loading capability? |
| 23:51.25 | Tapout | i purged all packages that were installed |
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| 23:51.30 | \amethyst | Tapout: where is the sleep 20 coming from? |
| 23:51.43 | Tapout | jelly, the script is still messing up, with or without nfs |
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| 23:51.50 | Tapout | i removed nfs-common (only thing installed with nfs) |
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| 23:52.15 | jelly-home | Tapout: which script? |
| 23:52.18 | \amethyst | Tapout: since the script already checks if you have remote fs in a different place, it might make sense to do that check earlier and exit immediately if there is no remote fs |
| 23:52.30 | Tapout | \amethyst, that's my pseudo code... it's really just doing... foreach (alias) { await for eth0:1 to be ready ... eth0:256 to be ready } .. and on the next iteration, does it all over again |
| 23:52.38 | themill | Tapout:/etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs is a conffile. It's yours to edit. |
| 23:52.48 | Tapout | jelly, /etc/network/if-up.d/mountfs |
| 23:52.50 | Tapout | jelly, /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs |
| 23:53.10 | themill | that script doesn't contain "sleep" anywhere.... |
| 23:53.14 | Tapout | themill, i know |
| 23:53.19 | Tapout | it's as if it's sleeping 20 |
| 23:53.27 | Tapout | trust me, no sleep there, but it takes a boatload of time on each iteration |
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| 23:54.06 | themill | Tapout: if you know you don't need nfs, just stick exit 0 at the top of it |
| 23:54.37 | Tapout | themill, i chmod -x'd it.. broke network init.. i'll try your exit 0 |
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| 23:55.19 | Tapout | here's a clip : http://pastebin.ca/1344483 |
| 23:55.38 | Tapout | in about 15 minutes i'll be able to try your exit 0 ;) |
| 23:55.57 | themill | I don't want to know why you have that many aliases, do I. |
| 23:56.01 | \amethyst | hm |
| 23:56.28 | \amethyst | it might be reasonable to add break after the mkdir /var/run/network/mountnfs_earlyexit |
| 23:56.35 | Tapout | lol ; I want to confirm this bug. As of initscripts 2.86.ds1-61 this is not fixed. |
| 23:56.35 | Tapout | And It's absolutely not funny to wait until 900 aliases will be up. And I |
| 23:56.39 | Tapout | someone has 900 aliases |
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| 23:57.05 | \amethyst | that would at least reduce the number of times grep -c gets called |
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| 23:57.23 | Tapout | themill, is it wrong to get a /24 for legit reasons? :) |
| 23:58.05 | jelly-home | a /24 has only 254 usable addresses, not 256 :-> |
| 23:58.13 | sergiu | hi |
| 23:58.21 | sergiu | anyone know, how to install debian lenny from LiveCD? |
| 23:58.31 | gparent | Boot it |
| 23:58.32 | gparent | Hit enter. |
| 23:58.47 | gparent | Oh live |
| 23:58.47 | sergiu | i am now runnig debian from live cd.. |
| 23:58.49 | gparent | Nevermind... |
| 23:58.53 | jelly-home | gparent: and then? |
| 23:58.57 | sergiu | ;-) |
| 23:59.04 | gparent | And then i suck at reading. |
| 23:59.04 | gparent | :) |
| 23:59.59 | Tapout | jelly, got 2 more ips |
