| 00:00.08 | beautifulsnow | My BFs here, so I guess I'm heading home now |
| 00:00.08 | beautifulsnow | You people were great today, thanks :) |
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| 00:00.22 | beautifulsnow | Phil4, Love WICD :) |
| 00:00.27 | beautifulsnow | honschu, evdev"? |
| 00:00.36 | beautifulsnow | evdevs pretty good yeah |
| 00:00.51 | honschu | yeah |
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| 00:01.35 | beautifulsnow | for your own sanity, i hope you dont see me again :) |
| 00:01.43 | beautifulsnow | good night everyone sorry i have to leave suddenly |
| 00:01.51 | honschu | hehe, byebye |
| 00:02.12 | spldart | I guess I'll continue to bang away at this edid problem on google. |
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| 00:04.01 | nsadmin | wonder if a depmod would have done it |
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| 00:04.34 | pl4yer0ne | hey does anyone use some kinf of web based passwd change using smbldap-passwd? |
| 00:04.52 | micols | Tramp: hehe , i just havn't dared upgrading this production server |
| 00:05.12 | micols | Tramp: but doing it now (and holding my breath), debian upgrade |
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| 00:05.43 | micols | somehow it likes updating initramfs'es and bootloaders automatically, and restarting ssh sometimes :) |
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| 00:06.15 | micols | i dont like any of those things, it should never try to do that, if i could just tell it that with an apt preferences line. |
| 00:06.22 | locality | okay i did ./configure & make |
| 00:06.24 | locality | now what |
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| 00:06.59 | micols | so im always afraid of upgrading my systems , especially that woody system of mine :P |
| 00:07.05 | nsadmin | pl4yer0ne: to change the unix passwd? do the words "hell no" mean anything to ya? |
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| 00:07.25 | locality | ah. |
| 00:07.48 | pl4yer0ne | nsadmin, i know i know |
| 00:08.06 | jelly-home | micols: does it help if you know that sshd restarting isn't supposed to kill running connections? |
| 00:08.19 | pl4yer0ne | oh when i say web based i mean internally not public facing. |
| 00:08.37 | micols | jelly-home: yes i was almost aware of that, so i open a few sessions :) |
| 00:08.40 | nsadmin | pl4yer0ne: having a separate userlist for a different purpose (i.e., -not- having anything to do with the unix users) I can see |
| 00:08.47 | micols | jelly-home: better 5 sessions than one :P |
| 00:09.04 | micols | from different machines |
| 00:09.29 | nsadmin | pl4yer0ne like maybe you have a web site you want users to be able to sign up at |
| 00:09.35 | micols | though i still wish for it not to attemt to mess up my boot sequence |
| 00:09.39 | ma_t | I have a very strange issue with my install, if I run $ sudo ls I get "sudo: uid 1000 does not exist in the passwd file!" running $ cat /etc/passwd shows me [matt] in the passwd file as uid 1000, then running $ sudo ls again works. Something has gone very very wrong with some library somewhere I'm guessing but I've no idea where to look. Can anyone throw me a bone? |
| 00:09.43 | micols | that is default nowadays |
| 00:09.59 | pl4yer0ne | no like the team leads want to be able to reset their teams passwords if they need to. |
| 00:10.34 | micols | i miss initrd and the time when it wouldn't usually try to force those updated |
| 00:10.34 | jelly-home | ma_t: what does "getent passwd matt" say, exactly? |
| 00:10.56 | ma_t | jelly-home: matt:x:1000:1000:Matt,,,:/home/matt:/bin/bash |
| 00:11.33 | jelly-home | looks reasonable. |
| 00:11.50 | jelly-home | ma_t: grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 00:12.08 | micols | how do you mkshadow? for /etc/shadow :) |
| 00:12.24 | micols | if you want to paste in /etc/passwd , shadow, group |
| 00:12.36 | ma_t | jelly-home: passwd: compat |
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| 00:12.40 | jelly-home | micols: uh, your machine still isn't converted to shadow? |
| 00:13.05 | micols | it is, just moving a few samba accounts over from another machine |
| 00:13.10 | jelly-home | ma_t: that's ok, too. |
| 00:13.17 | micols | so want to copy pass over. |
| 00:13.21 | pl4yer0ne | jelly-home, if it wasnt it would have the passwd hash in /etc/passwd |
| 00:13.37 | jelly-home | pl4yer0ne: different people |
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| 00:13.51 | ma_t | jelly-home: its not just restricted to my account, services are failing because they thing users don't exist. Everything has gone titsup.com since going from debian 4.0 to 4.1 (I think) |
| 00:14.17 | micols | and change pass if i feel like it, without passwd <user> requiring that i have finished both /etc/passwd , group, shadow :) |
| 00:14.22 | micols | :p |
| 00:14.36 | ma_t | ah, actually it seems my debian version is now 5.0 |
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| 00:15.31 | micols | i think it decided to keep my currently installed /etc/issue* file , way to go :) |
| 00:15.39 | micols | so it might say debian 3.0 :) |
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| 00:18.09 | locality | if you want to install a compiled package you have to type make install as root, right? |
| 00:18.29 | jelly-home | locality: that's not a package, then. |
| 00:18.33 | micols | actually it usually goes the way its supposed to do, when upgrading one release (1.0 increment), guess im just afraid because of all the dependency problems ive had over the years, and half-installed packages halting the apt system |
| 00:18.41 | locality | jelly-home: not a readymade package no |
| 00:18.55 | locality | it is what it is: ancient linux tarball |
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| 00:19.23 | jelly-home | locality: that's installing from source. installing a .tgz, .rpm or .deb, even if selfbuilt, would be a package |
| 00:19.36 | locality | jelly-home: yeah, installed from source :p |
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| 00:19.41 | locality | but, yes or no? |
| 00:19.51 | elik | locality, it depends on how it was packages |
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| 00:20.05 | elik | locality, sorry, not packaged... but the makefile |
| 00:20.10 | locality | im trying to get freetype2 running here |
| 00:20.16 | locality | anybody done that? |
| 00:20.25 | jelly-home | locality: what's wrong with freetype from the distro? |
| 00:20.28 | riot | wtf. I've got vi to crash. |
| 00:20.33 | locality | jelly-home: you mean there is one ? |
| 00:20.42 | locality | what the hell have i been doing |
| 00:20.54 | riot | or hang. Strace shows me its trying to do something with /dev/gpmctl!? I'm using screen and ssh, and am sittings 10 km away from that box!?! |
| 00:21.02 | abrotman | riot: or you hit ctrl-s ? |
| 00:21.09 | jelly-home | locality: that's a good question. What do you need it for? |
| 00:21.16 | riot | abrotman: nope, made that mistake too often to not verify ;) |
| 00:21.21 | locality | jelly-home: the fonts' |
| 00:21.36 | abrotman | riot: did you move the mouse? |
| 00:21.39 | locality | i need fonts and much nicer fonts than i got from the netinstall. |
| 00:21.40 | jelly-home | locality: the fonts' what? |
| 00:21.45 | locality | i need fonts! |
| 00:21.53 | jelly-home | !fonts |
| 00:21.53 | dpkg | [fonts] check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>. |
| 00:22.00 | locality | oh |
| 00:22.01 | jelly-home | oh cabbage. |
| 00:22.10 | riot | abrotman: as i've said, i'm 10 km away from that machine. |
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| 00:22.11 | locality | thanks |
| 00:22.24 | abrotman | riot: so why are you using gpm?! |
| 00:22.30 | abrotman | gmp ? |
| 00:22.41 | riot | abrotman: uh. I didn't tell it to do so! I'm using ssh.. |
| 00:22.46 | jelly-home | !tell locality -about msttcorefonts |
| 00:22.49 | riot | its playing stupid! :( |
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| 00:22.57 | abrotman | riot: just kill it and recover |
| 00:23.18 | riot | abrotman: what? vi? doesn't help. Every vi i start does the same :(( |
| 00:23.35 | riot | i'm removing gpm, as i don't reeeeaally need it, but that ain't a nice solution. |
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| 00:24.45 | jelly-home | & |
| 00:24.56 | locality | jelly-home: msttcorefonts ? okay |
| 00:25.05 | locality | this bot seems to talk to me |
| 00:25.07 | limpio | hi, what is the command to configure the time? |
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| 00:25.27 | adama | limpio: date |
| 00:25.45 | adama | limpio: also, /msg dpkg set the time |
| 00:25.50 | limpio | ok, i thought it was tz-something |
| 00:26.12 | adama | limpio: there is something to change your timezone too |
| 00:26.17 | riot | if i hadn't had that screen opened, my session might have died by that bug >:( |
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| 00:26.49 | limpio | adama: dpkg did not give any instructions |
| 00:27.24 | adama | dpkg: tell limpio about set the time |
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| 00:28.25 | limpio | adama: ok i got it, thanks |
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| 00:36.17 | locality | how do you install these fonts :/ |
| 00:36.20 | locality | dpkg ? |
| 00:36.21 | dpkg | locality: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:36.39 | locality | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 00:36.47 | locality | says i will need defoma |
| 00:36.49 | locality | xfonts-utils |
| 00:36.54 | locality | wth are these |
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| 00:37.18 | simonrvn | install those... if you do it properly, it'll install them too |
| 00:37.27 | simonrvn | aptitude install ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 00:37.27 | locality | ah |
| 00:37.42 | locality | so all i needed was aptitude* ? |
| 00:37.42 | simonrvn | that's what dependencies are |
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| 00:38.18 | MaDSeN | hey |
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| 00:39.00 | pobega | What's the easiest way to quickly reset the resolution of Xorg? |
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| 00:40.36 | amphi | 3xrandr |
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| 00:40.41 | amphi | er, xrandr |
| 00:40.59 | locality | whoa-. simonrvn, did difoma and the rest of those dependencies just installk when i hit "aptitude install ttf-mscorefonts-installer' ? |
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| 00:41.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ping |
| 00:41.40 | simonrvn | what did it spit out? look at your terminal... |
| 00:41.42 | pobega | Hm. I'm using an LCD monitor and I can't seem to set it to a proper resolution (something that would 'fit' the monitor); any ideas? |
| 00:41.59 | pobega | (for example, there is a good 30px of space off the right, beyond the limits of the monitor) |
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| 00:47.23 | locality | that page doesnt say WHAT to do with ttf-mscorefonts-installer_2.7_all.deb |
| 00:47.59 | linuxguy | how can i add myself as user to the sudoers file?..and ive forgotten where to find the sudoers file i need it for a script ive been given |
| 00:48.08 | abrotman | man sudoers |
| 00:48.32 | linuxguy | man sudoers |
| 00:48.55 | linuxguy | !man sudoers |
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| 00:50.28 | locality | Arrgh |
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| 00:53.04 | arisv | hello, let me ask you sth, why zd_rf.c does not exist in debian (/drivers/net/wireless/zd1211rw/)? |
| 00:53.53 | locality | where should it be? |
| 00:54.04 | locality | ohnevermind |
| 00:54.12 | arisv | I told u, /drivers/net/wireless/zd1211rw/ <- there :P |
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| 00:56.50 | arisv | anyone? |
| 00:57.42 | dondelelcaro | arisv: why should a c file be distributed? |
| 00:58.12 | arisv | dondelelcaro: in slackware let's say exists, this c file must be patched, in order my wireless usb stick to work. |
| 00:58.20 | arisv | and in debian, can't find it. |
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| 00:58.48 | dondelelcaro | arisv: the zd1211rw driver is included in the kernel; you shouldn't need to patch or build it |
| 00:59.04 | dondelelcaro | arisv: if you actually do, it's present in the kernel source package appropriate to whatever kernel you're running |
| 00:59.29 | arisv | dondelelcaro: zd1211rw driver is includer, but I must patched it to work as this post said: http://www.nabble.com/tp-link-WN322G-td21524214.html |
| 00:59.34 | arisv | included even. |
| 00:59.45 | arisv | read it, and you'll understand. |
| 00:59.47 | arisv | :) |
| 01:00.22 | dondelelcaro | arisv: so get the source code for that module from the kernel source, and build it with that patch |
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| 01:01.07 | arisv | dondelelcaro: where I can find that source code? |
| 01:01.17 | Phil4 | hrmm, Lenny was released? |
| 01:01.22 | Phil4 | what's the current testing called? |
| 01:01.22 | locality | oh i see. the fonts have to be downloaded separately |
| 01:01.22 | dondelelcaro | arisv: in the linux-source- package that matches the kernel you're running |
| 01:01.25 | dondelelcaro | Phil4: squeeze |
| 01:01.29 | arisv | ok |
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| 01:01.33 | Phil4 | cool, thanks :) |
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| 01:01.49 | vvd | hola, does "make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers" always rebuild everything or did i just change something that causes everything to rebuild (i ran the command twice which slightly different config)? |
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| 01:03.14 | dondelelcaro | vvd: yes, it always rebuilds everything |
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| 01:03.32 | vvd | dondelelcaro: can i change that via an option? |
| 01:03.44 | dondelelcaro | vvd: no, but it's something that is probably going to be fixed going forward |
| 01:03.57 | dondelelcaro | vvd: if you're doing a lot of building, ccache is probably useful |
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| 01:04.38 | vvd | dondelelcaro: yeah, ty |
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| 01:06.49 | vvd | dondelelcaro: but i could keep that kernel_header target result in between i guess? |
| 01:07.10 | vvd | no need to re-pkg that, right? |
| 01:07.18 | linuxguy | how can i add myself as user to the sudoers file?..and ive forgotten where to find the sudoers file i need it for a script ive been given |
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| 01:07.51 | vvd | linuxguy: visudo |
| 01:09.07 | linuxguy | vvd thanks but it does not tell me what i should do or type in a console |
| 01:10.00 | vvd | linuxguy: type "visudo" and it opens the sudo config which contains examples |
| 01:10.15 | vvd | as root |
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| 01:11.40 | dondelelcaro | vvd: yeah, but it doesn't take much to rebuild it, and if you changed something, you might as well |
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| 01:12.54 | vvd | dondelelcaro: true, first time it took much longer |
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| 01:18.22 | DeSian | where can looking for dpkg bot content list? or use search for something in dpkg BOT? |
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| 01:19.56 | dondelelcaro | !your factoids |
| 01:19.56 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
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| 01:21.03 | DeSian | dondelelcaro: thnx |
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| 01:22.59 | vvd | hmm, when i try to boot my new kernel i get "Loading, please wait..." and thats all. but when i use the new kernel with the old initrd (in grub) i get a warning saying that /lib/modules/my-custom-kernel does not exist. so something is wrong with my new initrd i guess...any ideas? |
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| 01:23.21 | vvd | (the directory exists) |
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| 01:27.07 | sepult | vvd: make a symlink in /lib/modules/your-custom-kernel to /usr/src/your-linux-source |
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| 01:27.47 | sepult | or copy the linux source to /lib/modulesyour-custom-kernel |
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| 01:29.46 | locality | ahhahaha |
| 01:29.50 | locality | okay! it worked! |
| 01:30.07 | locality | here's what i did: i copied the ttf fonts (georgia) into my homedir .fonts |
| 01:30.20 | locality | copy pasted the fonts basically, then ran fc-cache -fv |
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| 01:30.31 | locality | and now i can see georgia in opera |
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| 01:31.59 | locality | BUT |
| 01:32.12 | locality | how do i configure the antialiasing IN opera ? |
| 01:32.16 | arisv | dondelelcaro, I did an apt-get to grab my linux-source, now what, I found the zd_rf.c into linux-source-2.6.26, what's my next step? |
| 01:32.22 | locality | dpkg: antialiasing |
| 01:32.23 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, locality |
| 01:33.12 | arisv | dondelelcaro, are you still here? |
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| 01:34.35 | VieQ | hello, just done with netinstall |
| 01:34.51 | VieQ | what are needed apps to get Xserver running |
| 01:34.58 | locality | VieQ: congrats |
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| 01:35.33 | VieQ | thx locality just tryn lenny |
| 01:36.10 | VieQ | I am done with xorg, but still do not know how to configure it something is still missing |
| 01:36.21 | VieQ | something I have not install yet |
| 01:36.34 | VieQ | wanna give me hand with it? |
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| 01:39.02 | jpinx | VieQ: what desktop are you installing? |
| 01:39.12 | VieQ | openbox] |
| 01:39.14 | VieQ | openbox* |
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| 01:39.32 | saimazoon | hello |
| 01:39.36 | jpinx | install that and startx |
| 01:39.39 | saimazoon | my alsa device just stopped working |
| 01:39.41 | abrotman | VieQ: apttiude install xorg openbox |
| 01:39.43 | saimazoon | it says the device doesn't exist |
| 01:39.45 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 01:39.50 | jpinx | has no experience of openbox |
| 01:39.53 | saimazoon | but if I execute sound programs when logged in as root I can do it |
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| 01:40.15 | VieQ | ok, abrotman jpinx |
| 01:42.15 | VieQ | k be back here later to tell if every thing is good or I need another hand :) |
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| 01:46.13 | nick4_ | I have mounted a directory with SSHFS but only root can see in it, how can I enable other uses to see and take files *from* it? |
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| 01:48.45 | jpinx | nick4_: did you create the mountpoint as root? |
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| 01:49.54 | maxagaz | what's the permission needed to be able to copy a file : +r is enough, or do i need a +x ? |
| 01:49.57 | jpinx | nick4_: create the mountpoint as the user you want to see the remote filesystem, and execute sshfs as that user |
| 01:49.59 | nick4_ | jpinx yes |
| 01:50.04 | nick4_ | okey |
| 01:50.12 | At0x0 | I installed the most basic install of Lenny without network support. I've got my network card working now, but my aptitude sources.list only contains entires for the CD and updates. How do I find the lines I need to add for all the regular repositories so I can install X, etc? |
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| 01:51.15 | batcoder-7 | for some reason i started getting these 440 not found |
| 01:51.26 | nick4_ | it was so simple, thanks jpinx :) |
| 01:51.29 | batcoder-7 | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main libpq5 8.3.5-1 |
| 01:51.30 | batcoder-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.37 | batcoder-7 | what is thei issue here? |
| 01:51.57 | jpinx | At0x0: to get you started add these lines |
| 01:51.57 | jpinx | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 01:51.58 | jpinx | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 01:52.14 | jpinx | and comment out the references to the CD |
| 01:52.29 | batcoder-7 | any ideas here? |
| 01:52.33 | jpinx | nick4_: yw |
| 01:52.48 | batcoder-7 | i am pretty sure it was working just fine before this |
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| 01:54.57 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
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| 01:55.42 | bbelt16ag | i need to make some key bindgings or a alias to login a root ( i know i know insecure) to my server.. would be nice to do it for user as well.. |
| 01:56.09 | bbelt16ag | should/can i do this in terminator terminal or do it with a alias or something in bash??? |
| 01:56.18 | bbelt16ag | whats the 411 on this. |
| 01:56.27 | narcarsiss | on lenny i cant find where to ajust the bass and trebel? any help |
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| 01:57.07 | jpinx | narcarsiss: alsamixer ? |
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| 01:57.38 | narcarsiss | dont list bass |
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| 02:00.27 | saimazoon | hello |
| 02:00.33 | saimazoon | i mangled my main user account with usermod -G |
| 02:00.34 | saimazoon | so |
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| 02:00.44 | saimazoon | which groups does a normal usuer belong to when created in debian |
| 02:00.47 | saimazoon | besides audio |
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| 02:00.58 | saimazoon | which I realised rather fast, because my sound stopped working |
| 02:01.31 | parazitu | hi, anyone know the GUI tool that show the running procces, basic computer information , network activity etc? |
| 02:01.43 | saimazoon | greklm |
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| 02:03.02 | karsten | saimazoo: gkrellm |
| 02:03.23 | karsten | I think.modulo a few L's. |
| 02:03.25 | parazitu | i probaly was looking for gnome-system-monitor |
| 02:03.43 | parazitu | ) |
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| 02:04.25 | karsten | What was that old Xt one? xsystemmonitor or something? |
| 02:04.30 | parazitu | gkrellm it's a kind of applet yes |
| 02:05.05 | karsten | uses windowmaler dock apps, of course. |
| 02:05.41 | karsten | parazitu: top! |
| 02:06.01 | karsten | s/mal/mak |
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| 02:07.46 | jpinx | narcarsiss: open alsamixer and hit F1 for help with the commands |
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| 02:09.25 | narcarsiss | only brings up terminal manual |
| 02:09.47 | vvd | dondelelcaro: third attempt and 2.6.28.7 boots yay |
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| 02:10.48 | narcarsiss | anyone have a clue when 2.24.0 will be ready as a upgrade package for lenny |
| 02:10.58 | narcarsiss | gnome* |
| 02:11.17 | jpinx | narcarsiss: hit ? instead of F1 |
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| 02:11.31 | craigevil | 2.24 probably wont even be in backports for quite a while its not even all in sid |
| 02:11.35 | parazitu | what is Build gtk host ? how to install this |
| 02:11.38 | bit0 | narcarsiss, http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.24-status.html |
| 02:11.47 | JordiGH | narcarsiss: Probably never, possibly backported in a year or so. Seriously, 2.24 has at least one serious regression, what do you need it for? |
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| 02:12.10 | bit0 | JordiGH, which regression? |
| 02:12.21 | JordiGH | bit0: It has no session management, for one. |
| 02:12.50 | narcarsiss | tabbed windows in lenny every time i open a window it makes a new one instead of opening it in the same window |
| 02:13.13 | bit0 | JordiGH, and what is the problem with gnome-session? |
| 02:13.31 | JordiGH | bit0: It doesn't exist in 2.24 |
| 02:13.59 | JordiGH | bit0: Josselin Moulette blogged about it, one sec. He might have an update on the situation, though. |
| 02:14.02 | bit0 | JordiGH, sure!, i've to launch everything by hand |
| 02:14.13 | bit0 | thanks JordiGH |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | 2.24 of what ? |
| 02:15.05 | abrotman | it may never get into lenny via backports.org |
| 02:15.06 | JordiGH | bit0: http://np237.livejournal.com/22014.html |
| 02:15.12 | JordiGH | abrotman: Gnome, yeah. |
| 02:15.39 | abrotman | JordiGH: that's old .. may have been fixed |
| 02:15.40 | narcarsiss | i take it after reading that list thet i should jusst not worry about it |
| 02:15.43 | JordiGH | bit0: He's one of the main Debian packagers for Gnome, btw. |
| 02:15.55 | narcarsiss | unless i want to try to install svn |
| 02:16.01 | JordiGH | abrotman: Two months old, yeah. But wasn't 2.24 already "released" by then? |
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| 02:16.12 | dkr | is there a way to add a patch to a package such that next time it gets updated, ok, that was dumb, obviously I have to recompile it each update |
| 02:16.31 | narcarsiss | 2.24 is out and stable but not for debian |
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| 02:16.48 | JordiGH | narcarsiss: Did they implement session management? |
| 02:17.03 | narcarsiss | i'll go find out |
| 02:17.23 | JordiGH | narcarsiss: Note that the UI is there for it; it just doesn't do anything. |
| 02:17.25 | dkr | yeah, it fixes the bug that annoys me that occured when I upgraded etch to lenny. (warping applications ot your current desktop when issued remote() commands. e.g. clicking on url in xchat/pidgni) |
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| 02:17.39 | abrotman | narcarsiss: if you can't wait, debian may not be hte distro for you |
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| 02:18.35 | JordiGH | narcarsiss: Debian releases when it's ready. If you prefer a distro that releases when it's not ready, try Ubuntu with its lovable pulseaudio. ;-) |
| 02:18.52 | narcarsiss | http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2008/03/25/session-management-in-224/ |
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| 02:19.07 | abrotman | that's older than the other post |
| 02:19.21 | narcarsiss | http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Window-Managers/gnome-session-11690.shtml |
| 02:19.41 | abrotman | then go compile it .. have fun |
| 02:19.43 | dkr | narcarsiss: your issue of new windows instead of tabs may be resolvable with a preference setting |
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| 02:20.17 | narcarsiss | well i was hoping so but could not find a setting for it :( |
| 02:20.19 | ABW|Lozer | Does debian, or all linux distros, store all hot objects in RAM? |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | narcarsiss: did you try asking #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org ? |
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| 02:20.43 | narcarsiss | even if it opens in the same window like windows *coff* |
| 02:21.03 | narcarsiss | didnt even know that chan existed |
| 02:21.25 | bit0 | JordiGH, thanks!, i'll wait until a real gnome-2.24 version :) |
| 02:22.17 | narcarsiss | http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/ |
| 02:22.23 | bit0 | JordiGH, pulseaudio problems?? |
| 02:22.25 | narcarsiss | they are all the links i have for 2.24 |
| 02:23.29 | JordiGH | bit0: Ubuntu shipped with pulseaudio, which is broken in all sorts of ways. But we're gonna get called for being offtopic in 5, 4, 3,... |
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| 02:24.02 | stew | offtopic |
| 02:24.09 | stew | i think i was late |
| 02:24.11 | bit0 | JordiGH, xDD.. i've problems with pulseaudio too. I've unstable-experimental |
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| 02:24.47 | narcarsiss | i dont think it is off topic since ubuntu is based off debian |
| 02:25.18 | JordiGH | narcarsiss: You must be new here... |
| 02:25.23 | bit0 | where is pulseaudio bug report? |
| 02:25.36 | JordiGH | bugs.debian.org/pulseaudio, perhaps? |
| 02:25.44 | narcarsiss | yup use to be apart of ubuntu just moved to debian |
| 02:25.51 | abrotman | yes, it is offtopic |
| 02:25.54 | narcarsiss | ubuntu to restricted |
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| 02:26.33 | narcarsiss | pulse audio is it ment to be much better than alsa? |
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| 02:26.59 | JordiGH | narcarsiss: It's usually Ubuntu users who think they're using Debian in disguise; it's Debian users who know how foreign and different and patched Ubuntu is. I probably have one more offtopic remark about Ubuntu before getting opsmited. |
| 02:27.06 | abrotman | JordiGH: stop already |
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| 02:27.52 | bit0 | sure, pulseaudio is plenty of bugs :( |
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| 02:28.52 | narcarsiss | yeah i can already tell the diff, debian gives me more control and more grey hairs :P but i like the freedome of beeing able to fix thinks to make em work ramble ramble ramble |
| 02:29.27 | narcarsiss | gnome 2.26 seems to have a lot of good looking new features http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap |
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| 02:31.45 | JordiGH | Hm, my USB mice work very strangely under lenny. Single clicks register as double clicks, it's way too fast too (so I think one scrolltick or whatever is called is also registering as two). |
| 02:31.57 | JordiGH | I wonder, do I have two mice drivers trying to read my mouse at once? |
| 02:32.33 | narcarsiss | how do you think i feel with my G9 |
| 02:33.05 | ABW|Lozer | Does debian store files accessed by a web server in it's RAM? |
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| 02:33.11 | tzanger | good evening |
| 02:33.32 | abrotman | ABW|Lozer: all linux distros should do that |
| 02:33.38 | tzanger | is there somewhere where I can find debian (preferably lenny) packages for things like mjpegtools? I am having a hard time believing that this stuff isn't already packaged up somewhere |
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| 02:34.18 | JordiGH | tzanger: From the name sounds like it might be in the unofficial debian-multimedia.org repos? |
| 02:34.21 | bit0 | good evening :) |
| 02:34.26 | tzanger | aha |
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| 02:34.34 | tzanger | I will see if I can't dig it up there, thank you JordiGH |
| 02:34.36 | bit0 | thanks JordiGH et al. |
| 02:35.14 | narcarsiss | tzanger did you enabel your other repos in synaptic? might find them there |
| 02:35.24 | abrotman | it's not in lenny that i can find |
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| 02:36.01 | tzanger | narcarsiss: don't use synaptic... just apt |
| 02:36.22 | JordiGH | narcarsiss: Yeah, aptitude is the recommended package manager in Debian, not synaptic. |
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| 02:36.43 | JordiGH | narcarsiss: If text scares you, they're working on a GTK+ frotend for aptitude. |
| 02:37.01 | abrotman | it's in some version of debian already |
| 02:37.25 | abrotman | experimental i would imagine |
| 02:37.27 | JordiGH | abrotman: I checked before release, was only in experimental, probably trickled down to unstable by now. |
| 02:37.36 | abrotman | not that i see |
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| 02:38.54 | JordiGH | Well... RSN. :-) |
| 02:39.23 | abrotman | you're sure of that? |
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| 02:39.47 | abrotman | last i checked, things don't flow from experimental to unstable ... |
| 02:40.13 | JordiGH | abrotman: The GSoC guy that worked on it was fairly confident that he would upload to unstable soon... iirc... :-/ |
| 02:40.15 | stew | abrotman: they do not |
| 02:40.25 | narcarsiss | no i'm fine with text but to enable the other repos i use synaptic it's a once off thing |
| 02:40.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: yeah .. i'm fairly confident that twinkies go bad ... |
| 02:40.54 | JordiGH | twinkies do go bad! |
| 02:40.59 | JordiGH | eventually. |
| 02:41.09 | abrotman | you sure? |
| 02:41.11 | stew | are you sure they don't just start that way? |
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| 02:41.25 | narcarsiss | what are twinkies? |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | stew: that's subjective :) |
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| 02:41.31 | abrotman | narcarsiss: wikipedia |
| 02:41.38 | narcarsiss | rofl tnx |
| 02:41.41 | narcarsiss | brb |
| 02:41.43 | stew | wikipedia goes bad |
| 02:42.06 | JordiGH | narcarsiss: You're not enabling repos willy-nilly, are you? Lots of non-Debian projects offer their own repos, and you really shouldn't be messing with them. Marillat and backports is about as unofficial as you should go. |
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| 02:42.33 | c0m1 | is there a limit to the number of partitions I can create? I'm installing Debian through the net install CD with seperate partions for /, /home/, swap, and /var, but /var partition creation keeps failing |
| 02:42.43 | JordiGH | abrotman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkies#Urban_legend |
| 02:42.46 | stoned | 4 primary partitions only |
| 02:43.01 | abrotman | JordiGH: and does it say they do or do not go bad? |
| 02:43.09 | JordiGH | abrotman: Just says that it takes longer... |
| 02:43.17 | c0m1 | stoned: hmm... should be working then. Maybe my hard drive is bad (???) |
| 02:43.18 | abrotman | that's not what it says |
| 02:43.30 | jpinx | twinkies ot? |
| 02:43.50 | JordiGH | Twenty five days. |
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| 02:44.27 | JordiGH | Hey, scilab got removed from the archives? |
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| 02:45.36 | JordiGH | No, it's in non-free... why is it still there? Oh, they just haven't packaged the recently liberated version. |
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| 02:47.03 | narcarsiss | repos i have are: standard lenny ones and: DFSG-compatible: non-DFSG-compatible: |
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| 02:47.52 | JordiGH | narcarsiss: Ah, not too bad, then. |
| 02:48.04 | JordiGH | narcarsiss: Don't go installing everything you see out there on the 'net. ;-) |
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| 02:49.40 | JordiGH | is still kinda sore about a half-broken Frostwire installation. |
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| 02:49.58 | stoned | how could frostwire not install |
| 02:50.10 | stoned | it depends on nothing, thought it own't run without a jvm |
| 02:50.12 | JordiGH | ... which messed up my MIME types and now makes me see MIME errors whenever any other package has to mess with MIMEtypes. |
| 02:50.18 | stoned | whod id it fail/break? |
| 02:50.48 | JordiGH | stoned: Well, that's a packaging error. It's got other minor packaging glitches as the MIME type problem, but it otherwise "seems" to work. |
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| 02:51.06 | stoned | unless frostwire is packaged for debian, you have to get from the frostwire site, and that package is good quality |
| 02:51.24 | JordiGH | stoned: Well, their packaging sucks. ;-) |
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| 02:51.34 | JordiGH | stoned: Which is probably why they haven't uploaded it to the Debian. |
| 02:51.52 | stoned | compared to debian's, sure, but it works, as I update it every release |
| 02:52.24 | stoned | there is always gtk-gnutella |
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| 02:52.41 | stoned | and from what I understand, it is much more configurable and tweakable for the gnutella network |
| 02:53.19 | JordiGH | stoned: Ah, is Frostwire just a gnutella client? |
| 02:53.25 | JordiGH | stoned: This is for my mom. |
| 02:53.28 | stoned | oh boy |
| 02:53.31 | JordiGH | It has to be mom-proof. |
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| 02:53.39 | stoned | its not mom-proof |
| 02:53.55 | JordiGH | She seems to have picked up Frostwire, though. |
| 02:54.01 | stoned | google for linux gnutella clients |
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| 02:54.08 | stoned | there are some pretty easy to use pointy clicky kinds |
| 02:54.10 | kindofabuzz | my gdebi does not work, starts fine but when i hit install package it just dissapears |
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| 02:55.04 | JordiGH | kindofabuzz: http://bugs.debian.org/gdebi |
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| 02:55.23 | JordiGH | kindofabuzz: Specifically, #493352 |
| 02:55.42 | kindofabuzz | k thanks |
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| 02:58.42 | peyman_t | hey guys, how do you transfer music to your ipod shuffle in linux? |
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| 02:59.33 | abrotman | rhythmbox maybe |
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| 02:59.49 | abrotman | gtkpod maybe ? |
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| 03:00.37 | peyman_t | abrotman: which one is better? |
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| 03:00.50 | abrotman | try them both |
| 03:01.14 | kindofabuzz | hmm i guess it's not fixed |
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| 03:01.19 | peyman_t | is there any kde based package? |
| 03:01.21 | kindofabuzz | dixed* |
| 03:01.24 | kindofabuzz | damnit |
| 03:01.28 | abrotman | peyman_t: apt-cache search kde ipod |
| 03:01.43 | abrotman | amarok seems popular |
| 03:01.59 | JordiGH | prefers to buy Debian-based audio players. :D |
| 03:02.01 | kindofabuzz | banshee has ipod support, exaile too, rythombox too, songbird too =) |
| 03:02.07 | JordiGH | makes a rude gesture to Apple. |
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| 03:02.15 | peyman_t | abrotman: yeah, but evidently the amarok doesn't work with it |
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| 03:02.34 | abrotman | peyman_t: buy from companies that don't suck? :) |
| 03:02.46 | superjoe | how come when I install the package 'git' I don't have the binary /usr/bin/git? |
| 03:02.46 | JordiGH | Yeah, iPod touch doesn't work with Linux yet. |
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| 03:02.55 | JordiGH | Supaplex: You need git-core, for some reason. |
| 03:03.00 | abrotman | superjoe: wrong package |
| 03:03.05 | peyman_t | abrotman: haha, i'll tell my girl friend for next time |
| 03:03.06 | superjoe | JordiGH: leave Supaplex out of this |
| 03:03.14 | superjoe | ;) |
| 03:03.30 | kindofabuzz | but then they wouldn't have a popular music player! you always have to get what's popular. not what is the best, don't you know that? =) |
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| 03:03.37 | peyman_t | abrotman: thanks anyway |
| 03:03.56 | JordiGH | peyman_t: I subconscioulsy convinced my girlfriend buy a Samsung player instead of an iPod... she was pretty pissed off with DRM at the time. |
| 03:04.21 | superjoe | so... debian developers... can we make git depend on git-core? |
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| 03:04.25 | kindofabuzz | i know a girl that bought an ipod because she thought that was the only thing you can listen to podcasts on |
| 03:04.41 | narcarsiss | Processor4x Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.06GHz |
| 03:04.41 | narcarsiss | Memory3632MB (450MB used) |
| 03:04.41 | narcarsiss | Operating SystemDebian GNU/Linux 5.0 |
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| 03:04.50 | superjoe | kindofabuzz: that's what they imply |
| 03:04.59 | superjoe | if you don't reason it out you never realize what podcasts are |
| 03:05.13 | superjoe | some people just don't care enough to reason it out |
| 03:05.19 | kindofabuzz | yup |
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| 03:05.38 | kindofabuzz | some people don't care enough to realize linux is a better os either |
| 03:05.43 | narcarsiss | posted that in wrong chat |
| 03:05.50 | narcarsiss | and god booted |
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| 03:05.58 | JordiGH | superjoe: Did you look at the description of git? |
| 03:06.02 | badcrc | i'm having trouble setting up my new laptop's wireless card. it's an intel 5100 and i need to use WPA with AES and a pre-shared-key. my configuration details are at http://pastebin.ca/1346470 |
| 03:06.05 | superjoe | JordiGH: no |
| 03:06.13 | JordiGH | superjoe: PEBKAC. ;-) |
| 03:06.50 | badcrc | could someone knowledgeable take a look? |
| 03:07.37 | superjoe | JordiGH: I still argue that logically, the package 'git' should supply the binary 'git' |
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| 03:08.25 | badcrc | the card appears to turn on (i get the wifi led lit up) but it won't associate with my access point |
| 03:08.35 | JordiGH | superjoe: Read the damn package description! |
| 03:08.46 | superjoe | right, it's a dummy package |
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| 03:08.55 | superjoe | my point still stands |
| 03:08.56 | JordiGH | superjoe: It's a transitional package. They're gonna get rid of if eventually. |
| 03:09.04 | superjoe | JordiGH: and then what? |
| 03:09.09 | stew | superjoe: yes, hopefully what you want will be true for squeeze+1 |
| 03:09.14 | JordiGH | superjoe: And presumably then git will be git. |
| 03:09.16 | superjoe | aha |
| 03:09.22 | superjoe | aww but not for squeeze? |
| 03:09.28 | superjoe | that's a terribly long release cycle |
| 03:09.35 | JordiGH | Possibly for squeeze, why not? |
| 03:09.48 | stew | judd: info git --release etch |
| 03:09.49 | judd | stew: git (utils): is optional; Version: 4.3.20-10; Size: 261.1k; Installed: 939k -- GNU Interactive Tools, a file browser/viewer and process viewer/killer |
| 03:09.56 | stew | judd: info git --release lenny |
| 03:09.57 | judd | stew: git (utils): is optional; Version: 4.9.4-1; Size: 11.9k; Installed: 60k -- transitional dummy package which can be safely removed |
| 03:10.23 | superjoe | judd: info git --release squeeze |
| 03:10.23 | judd | superjoe: git (utils): is optional; Version: 4.9.4-1; Size: 11.9k; Installed: 60k -- transitional dummy package which can be safely removed |
| 03:10.27 | stew | oh, if its a dummy in lenny, then it could potentially be git-core for squeeze, i guess, but i don't know if that has actually been planned |
| 03:12.58 | JordiGH | Alright, my brother claims that this morning Windows Vista somehow erased some files that he had written to his Windows desktop from Debian. This is data loss. This is very bad. But I have no idea what could have caused it, and now I can't reproduce. :-( |
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| 03:13.45 | JordiGH | He's concluded that Linux isn't stable enough for serious work. :-( |
| 03:13.52 | kindofabuzz | JordiGH, two possibilities, he did not actually right them or he just can't find them |
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| 03:13.59 | kindofabuzz | write* |
| 03:14.09 | kindofabuzz | lol and vista is? |
| 03:14.10 | JordiGH | kindofabuzz: He made vague claims of some kind of scandisk check erasing the files. |
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| 03:14.35 | kindofabuzz | JordiGH, so vista did it then? why is he blaming linux? |
| 03:14.51 | JordiGH | kindofabuzz: Because Linux wrote the files. :-/ Is this ntfs-3g thing reliable or not? |
| 03:15.24 | kindofabuzz | JordiGH, if linux wrote the files then they are there, unless windows did something to them. not a linux fault |
| 03:15.46 | kindofabuzz | he probably wrote them somewhere and forgot where he wrote them |
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| 03:16.16 | kindofabuzz | world of goo is fun! try it out |
| 03:16.19 | JordiGH | kindofabuzz: I think he did "search" on them and couldn't find them... Linux won't mount an ntfs drive that has been hibernated, will it? |
| 03:16.34 | superjoe | but don't pirate it, those dudes worked hard |
| 03:16.35 | JordiGH | I think he hibernates Windows and then tries to boot Linux... |
| 03:16.43 | kindofabuzz | probably not, since hibernate means it's in ram, well in linux it's that way |
| 03:16.50 | superjoe | JordiGH: I do that regularly |
| 03:16.52 | kindofabuzz | or is that suspend? i dunno |
| 03:17.17 | kindofabuzz | does hibernate work in debian? i know it never did for me in ubuntu |
| 03:17.20 | JordiGH | kindofabuzz: hibernate means to disk, suspend is to RAM, and I think Linux calls hibernate "suspend to disk", but Gnome does call it "Hibernate". |
| 03:17.36 | badcrc | JordiGH: i wouldn't mount a hibernated disk if i were you |
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| 03:17.50 | superjoe | badcrc: why not? |
| 03:17.55 | JordiGH | badcrc: Yeah, it's a bad idea, but the question is, will Linux do it? Let me try right now. |
| 03:18.09 | nexous | Hi, I'm trying to get situated with domain controllers on linux.. but anyway. I've been following a howto that requires authclientconfig; yet can't find it anywhere. |
| 03:18.11 | kindofabuzz | JordiGH, so your brother was mounting a hibernated disc? sorry, but that kind of shows his intelligence already |
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| 03:18.22 | badcrc | windows is expecting everything to be exactly the way it left it |
| 03:18.29 | superjoe | ah |
| 03:18.36 | superjoe | maybe I should stop mounting with the --force option then |
| 03:18.41 | kindofabuzz | yup, i bet it would confuse the hell out of windows. try it! |
| 03:18.44 | JordiGH | kindofabuzz: He shouldn't be smart at all. Linux should just refuse to mount it. Let me see if I it actually does. |
| 03:18.54 | JordiGH | kindofabuzz: It's my job to be smart, not his. I'm the sysadmin, not him. |
| 03:18.57 | badcrc | JordiGH: linux assumes you know what you're doing |
| 03:19.09 | superjoe | I think I only do read-only from the hibernated ntfs-partition |
| 03:19.29 | kindofabuzz | i'm about to try hibernate and see if it finally works for this system. |
| 03:19.42 | maxagaz | what's the command to see which services are launched ? |
| 03:20.03 | abrotman | you mean like in redhat? |
| 03:20.11 | maxagaz | yes |
| 03:20.13 | lostson | i use rcconf personally |
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| 03:20.53 | badcrc | has anyone gotten an intel wifi-link 5100 card working with wpasupplicant? |
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| 03:21.50 | JordiGH | uses /etc/init.d |
| 03:22.26 | doxie | JordiGH: don't use that. that sucks |
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| 03:22.39 | Shadium | Hello for all |
| 03:22.46 | doxie | hi Shadium |
| 03:22.49 | Shadium | I have a question |
| 03:22.55 | JordiGH | doxie: Is there a better way to disable, say, gdm? |
| 03:22.55 | doxie | o rly? |
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| 03:23.15 | doxie | JordiGH: erase the entry on init.d :p |
| 03:23.35 | JordiGH | doxie: Didn't we just establish that this sucks? |
| 03:23.39 | Shadium | I did install this package kfreebsd-source-7.0 I don't know use the package, this package sustituying linux kernel :S |
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| 03:23.48 | Tramp | !tell JordiGH about nodm |
| 03:23.51 | doxie | yeah, but will solve your problem |
| 03:23.57 | Shadium | Sorry my bad english |
| 03:24.06 | doxie | wtf is nodm? |
| 03:24.14 | JordiGH | Oh, updaterc.d? |
| 03:24.42 | doxie | find -o / | cat | grep gdm |
| 03:24.57 | Tramp | JordiGH: I'd recommend the last solution |
| 03:25.08 | doxie | find -| cat | grep gdm |
| 03:25.14 | Tramp | JordiGH: echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 03:25.29 | JordiGH | Dammit... what the hell did my brother do? ntfs-3g does indeed refuse to mount a hibernated volume. |
| 03:25.52 | doxie | JordiGH: shove a banana up your brother's fun hole |
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| 03:26.01 | superjoe | JordiGH: PEBKAC ;) |
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| 03:26.06 | lostson | thats quite graphic |
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| 03:28.07 | JordiGH | stew: Thanks, I thought that was rather uncalled for. :-/ |
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| 03:32.00 | linlin | /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf line 112: subnet 192.168.0.201 netmask 255.255.0.0: bad subnet number/mask combination. |
| 03:32.15 | linlin | is that not an acceptable subnet for that ip address? |
| 03:32.45 | abrotman | it could be |
| 03:32.51 | abrotman | oh wait .. no |
| 03:33.08 | linlin | throws the same error with 255.255.255.0 |
| 03:33.10 | abrotman | judd: info ipcalc --release lenny |
| 03:33.11 | judd | abrotman: ipcalc (net): is optional; Version: 0.41-1; Size: 25.8k; Installed: 128k -- parameter calculator for IPv4 addresses |
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| 03:33.30 | Tramp | "...201" is never a subnet |
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| 03:34.25 | JordiGH | subnets have to be .0? |
| 03:34.39 | Tramp | no |
| 03:35.38 | JordiGH | Tramp: http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/grunter.htm |
| 03:36.06 | Tramp | e.g. ...200/30 is a fine subnet |
| 03:36.30 | linlin | so what would be an acceptable aprameter to satisfy dhcpd ? |
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| 03:40.20 | Tramp | JordiGH: thanks for this witty link. I really appreciate it. You might have taken a second to say "thanks" for the answer to your gdm-problem I gave above while this other guy was spilling out bad advice |
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| 03:43.02 | JordiGH | Tramp: :-) Thanks for the helpful advice. |
| 03:43.57 | Tramp | JordiGH: yw |
| 03:45.09 | JordiGH | Tramp: The entire internet is carefully documented in that link, btw. |
| 03:45.41 | Tramp | JordiGH: I'm actually just browsing it. It's really a good one |
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| 03:48.49 | bbelt16ag | hey how am i suppose to set colors for ls when debian is ignoring the dir_colors files???? i need to change these colors |
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| 03:49.16 | JordiGH | bbelt16ag: Are you in an xterm? |
| 03:49.27 | bbelt16ag | terminator |
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| 03:49.38 | JordiGH | ... is that an xterm? |
| 03:49.40 | JordiGH | !info terminator |
| 03:49.49 | bbelt16ag | it uses gnome-terminal i think |
| 03:50.07 | dpkg | terminator: (multiple GNOME terminals in one window), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 120 kB, Installed size: 1064 kB |
| 03:50.28 | bugjar | bbelt16ag - it is showing colors, just not the correct ones? or is it showing none? |
| 03:50.54 | bbelt16ag | showing colors need to change then so i can identify a wrong terminal. aka turn them red when i a root would be awesome. |
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| 03:51.25 | JordiGH | bbelt16ag: I set colours in gnome-terminal's profile; ls seems to obey them. |
| 03:52.15 | bugjar | jordigh - the only prob with that is if one is in without X. :( |
| 03:52.57 | JordiGH | bugjar: Anyways, my point being, the actual colours used are a function of the terminal; you'll have to configure the ttys to use their own colour schemes too somehow... or so it seems to me. |
| 03:53.15 | bbelt16ag | eh? |
| 03:53.18 | JordiGH | (Btw, coloured grep, how did I ever live without it) |
| 03:53.28 | JordiGH | bbelt16ag: ^^ |
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| 03:53.52 | bugjar | JordiGH - fair enough. |
| 03:54.35 | bbelt16ag | how would i do that |
| 03:54.35 | JordiGH | I wish I knew how my brother presumably deleted his files... |
| 03:54.53 | JordiGH | bbelt16ag: set colours for a tty? Hell, console-tools or probably something of the sort. |
| 03:55.12 | bugjar | speaking of X - how does one tell xterm to use alt keys as modifiers for controlling irssi instead of making them print chars? |
| 03:56.42 | karsten | bugjar: Might be easier to tell irssi to pick up a different control character. But generally that's your window manager's job, I think. |
| 03:57.21 | bugjar | JordiGH - when i get to work tomorrow, i get to resurect a RH box that a lab dude crashed. i've never figured out how to handle fsck's picking up lost inodes...in addition to figuring out RH's weirdness. |
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| 03:58.04 | bugjar | karsten: hrm. |
| 03:58.20 | karsten | bugjar: I'll leave you to sort that out for yourself now ;-) |
| 03:58.44 | bbelt16ag | why can't i jsut set something n bashrc or login rc to set folders to red when i do a ls or a dir.. |
| 03:58.49 | bbelt16ag | seem easy enough to me. |
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| 03:59.13 | karsten | bergwolf: You can. man dircolors |
| 03:59.14 | bbelt16ag | its not like its rocket science.. |
| 03:59.16 | htmlol | bugjar: you just have to modify its keybindings. of course, you can use esc instead of alt in irssi. |
| 03:59.26 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ... as they say at Lockheed. |
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| 03:59.28 | bbelt16ag | karsten it wont work i tried i got a config here |
| 03:59.29 | chaim | hi |
| 03:59.51 | chaim | my spell checker on evolution crash it |
| 03:59.57 | karsten | bergwolf: nm. |
| 04:00.04 | karsten | chaim: FEATURE! |
| 04:00.20 | karsten | is a *huge* evolution fan. NOT! |
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| 04:00.29 | bugjar | chaim .... to ensure that you use mutt? |
| 04:00.41 | karsten | chaim: Drop that piece of crap. Check out KDE's Kontact instead. |
| 04:00.41 | chaim | karsten, what do you use? |
| 04:00.48 | karsten | chaim: ... or mutt, yeah, mutt. |
| 04:01.07 | chaim | mutt? get real, I get tons of html |
| 04:01.18 | karsten | chaim: IMVAO, evolution sucks rocks, and if you must use a GUI mail client, KDE's Kontact is much better. I prefer mutt for real work. |
| 04:01.23 | karsten | chaim: mutt handles HTML quite well. |
| 04:01.41 | chaim | karsten, really? |
| 04:01.46 | stew | i get lots of html email and mutt is great at helping me ignore it |
| 04:01.51 | chaim | karsten, how? it is text based |
| 04:02.08 | karsten | chaim: In fact nothing handles mail like mutt. My preferred mode is to use an IMAP server, Kontact to handle calendar stuff and GUI mail if I absolutely must, mutt for Getting Shit Done. |
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| 04:02.15 | amphi | chaim: it has w3m -dump clean it uop here if I recall correctly |
| 04:02.16 | chaim | stew, the day I'll ignore my clients I would be out of work |
| 04:02.18 | karsten | chaim: So, oddly enough, is html. |
| 04:02.48 | bbelt16ag | will this work for me http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg533595.html |
| 04:03.15 | karsten | chaim: /etc/mailcap defines handlers for various MIME types. Mutt uses that. you define a handler. |
| 04:03.19 | chaim | amphi, what is that? |
| 04:03.24 | stew | chaim: they really send it html only and not multiplart/alternative? |
| 04:03.54 | karsten | chaim: I can handle html, Word, PDFs, and a number of other formats, pretty much all the time. Usually w3m, catdoc, and pdf2txt or something like that. |
| 04:04.18 | amphi | chaim: a console mode browser |
| 04:04.23 | chaim | OK what do you do about hebrew? |
| 04:04.29 | karsten | chaim: Most HTML mailsers send both text and HTML. You also can define which of those you read by default. |
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| 04:04.51 | karsten | chaim: It's all bckwards. |
| 04:05.05 | bugjar | chaim : i delete it! |
| 04:05.06 | bugjar | hahahaa |
| 04:05.15 | simonrvn | karsten! |
| 04:05.22 | chaim | yes , hebrew is right to left, + indentation |
| 04:05.24 | bugjar | chaim : seriously, i think the terminal handles the character set |
| 04:05.43 | karsten | simonrvn: Hola |
| 04:05.46 | karsten | chaim: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/10-2004/12193.html |
| 04:06.01 | bbelt16ag | yay |
| 04:06.02 | karsten | chaim: Just be warned, it handles arabic as well. |
| 04:06.11 | bbelt16ag | i got it i got yaya |
| 04:06.32 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Schweet |
| 04:07.17 | chaim | I can try mutt, but just as an experiment, I trust that it will be all wrong |
| 04:07.39 | bugjar | chaim : by trusting that it is not correct, you're halfway there! |
| 04:07.51 | karsten | chaim: Give it a shot. No promises about Hebrew but I think you'll be happy. |
| 04:07.57 | karsten | bugjar: Point! |
| 04:08.08 | bugjar | chaim : btw, which dictionary do ya use? |
| 04:08.23 | bugjar | rather, spellcheckers? |
| 04:08.35 | chaim | bugjar, I think aspell |
| 04:08.44 | bugjar | uses spellchess... which explains why i am so confused... :/ |
| 04:08.49 | karsten | bugjar: A pessimist can always be pleasently surprised. |
| 04:08.56 | chaim | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.05 | karsten | uses fortune as his spellchecker. |
| 04:09.30 | karsten | chaim: It's possible that there's a solution to your problem, but my evo experiences are really bad. |
| 04:10.01 | bugjar | i like mutt, but i'll be darned if it doesn't have a learning curve |
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| 04:10.16 | bugjar | 'course, i started using mutt after being used to pine. |
| 04:10.43 | karsten | bugjar: Dittos. Fortunately I hadn't used pine for a while. |
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| 04:11.02 | chaim | I used pine |
| 04:11.10 | chaim | but not at work |
| 04:11.15 | karsten | mail => mailx => cc:mail => Outlook => Pine => Netscape => mutt |
| 04:11.34 | karsten | That's basically 1987 - present, started using mutt in 1999/2000 or so. |
| 04:12.02 | karsten | Tried Evo, Kontact, and Outlok since then, currently using Gmail at work. The one mailer I really want to try out is sup. |
| 04:12.09 | karsten | Otherwise: mutt is teh rawk. |
| 04:12.15 | karsten | And I am teh gone. |
| 04:12.20 | bugjar | i never saw a difference between mail & mailx (i started much later with mail/x, tho) |
| 04:13.01 | Qew | chaim, maybe Claws Mail would be an alternative GUI client to try out. |
| 04:13.05 | karsten | bugjar: mailx *is* mail on newer systems. As of 1987 or so, mail was pretty primative. |
| 04:13.05 | bugjar | i kinda consider mutt to be like fvwm -- more power than most people can handle and about as much time to get it really well set up. :-/ |
| 04:13.23 | karsten | Oh yeah, used elm on HPUX, and a VMS mailer for a while. |
| 04:13.36 | chaim | Qew, tried, no good for hebrew |
| 04:13.38 | bugjar | hrm. i might have been using elm in 92 |
| 04:13.45 | karsten | bugjar: Read In The Beginning Was The Command LIne. The part about Hole Hawgs. |
| 04:13.54 | chaim | anyway , problem solved |
| 04:14.09 | karsten | *really* aways |
| 04:14.18 | bugjar | too bad i like both mutt & fvwm. |
| 04:14.23 | chaim | seemd like I had the hebrew dictionary checked, so I unchecked it and no crashs now |
| 04:14.56 | bugjar | chaim : does it look through the hebrew with it unchecked? |
| 04:15.07 | chaim | no |
| 04:15.20 | chaim | I guess the hebrew dictionary is bugged |
| 04:15.31 | bugjar | chaim : worked=around, i guess. |
| 04:16.18 | chaim | bugjar, yes, but I don't need a hebrew dictionary it is just my inglesh that saked :D |
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| 04:17.46 | bugjar | chaim : oh. well, then no harm done! |
| 04:18.32 | chaim | true |
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| 04:19.20 | chaim | and I have etch which is a zillion versions backwards |
| 04:19.33 | chaim | so no point to even bug report it |
| 04:19.52 | bugjar | etch->lenny? |
| 04:20.05 | chaim | soon |
| 04:20.10 | chaim | planned |
| 04:20.30 | chaim | just need to find the time to do that and the backups |
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| 04:23.02 | bugjar | i hear, i want to do a couple at work, but they want me to do etch->centos. |
| 04:23.11 | bugjar | gah |
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| 04:46.40 | slartibartfast | anybody know when kde 4.2 comes into Sid ? |
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| 04:56.41 | SerajewelKS | [ 324.788068] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 116s! [hald-addon-stor:2212] |
| 04:56.42 | SerajewelKS | awesome |
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| 05:04.07 | locality | Failrar: interesting host |
| 05:04.15 | Failrar | RAmen! |
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| 05:17.50 | Younix | noodles! |
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| 05:22.07 | dellsucks | anyone know how I could recover the root pass :P |
| 05:22.12 | dellsucks | i have a all access sudoers account |
| 05:22.53 | locality | read it off the disk using an electron microscope |
| 05:22.54 | woonix | recover or reset? |
| 05:22.57 | Younix | dellsucks: http://tinyurl.com/af8r3t |
| 05:23.09 | dellsucks | it's a dedicated server i bought |
| 05:23.55 | woonix | Younix: cute site |
| 05:24.02 | Younix | woonix: indeed. |
| 05:24.04 | dellsucks | lol yeah that is |
| 05:28.50 | woonix | I installed Asterisk and now I can blacklist telemarkers and collection agencies. /gloat |
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| 05:32.09 | _abc_ | woonix: what provider, what user interface ? |
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| 05:33.30 | woonix | Douglas Telecom (SIP provider in Portland, OR). I'm not sure what you mean by UI. I have a Linksys PAP2-NA that I configured to connect to my Asterisk server, and I have a cheapo cordless phone connected to that. |
| 05:33.51 | woonix | Basic service is $5.00/mo. Free incoming calls and a low rate for outgoing. |
| 05:35.21 | woonix | They give you a username and password and you use whatever SIP device you have. |
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| 05:36.06 | woonix | It took about 1 1/2 days of trial and error editing extensions.conf and sip.conf to get everything working. |
| 05:36.34 | woonix | I RTFM and STFW |
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| 05:37.39 | woonix | _abc_: does tha answer your question? |
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| 05:40.38 | woonix | I set up my call routing so that blacklisted numbers get a message saying that the phone is no longer in service :D |
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| 05:45.25 | locality | what kind of packages does universe have for the Xen virtualizer? |
| 05:45.30 | locality | hypervisor* |
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| 05:46.39 | woonix | are you talking Ubuntu now? |
| 05:47.40 | woonix | Do a search: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for Ubuntu and http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages for Debian |
| 05:47.48 | woonix | You can see what is available |
| 05:48.37 | locality | ooooh |
| 05:49.01 | locality | ty |
| 05:49.07 | locality | kind stranger |
| 05:49.07 | woonix | :-) |
| 05:49.10 | locality | ;) |
| 05:49.27 | woonix | May the force be with you. |
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| 05:51.42 | kingsley | How do you copy text from a file displayed by Adobe reader, and paste it into an xterm or vim? |
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| 06:14.33 | flourish | hi, i have a question. Yesterday my manager told me an intersting thing. It is about one of his friends who is a linux system administrator. The company the administrator works in once has developed a server product, but after they combine it to execute binary file, they delete the source files and after running the service again they delete the executable binary files, so only one copy of the software in the world but in the memory of that machine. Th |
| 06:15.01 | flourish | sorry, compile |
| 06:15.21 | narcarsiss | what |
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| 06:15.52 | flourish | grab binary files from memory! |
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| 06:18.15 | flourish | say apache2 for example, after running the apache2 service, someone delete the /usr/sbin/apache2 file. So you do not have a reliable apache2, and you want to grab the apache2 file from memory. Is it possible to do this task? |
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| 06:19.47 | steven_ | morning |
| 06:20.25 | flourish | morning |
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| 06:21.14 | steven_ | Anyone got anytips for tuning a debian machine that's a dedicated firewall |
| 06:21.28 | steven_ | ie just make it forward packets as fast as possible |
| 06:22.00 | steven_ | i think iv'e already coverd the more common tweeks turning off syncookies, increassing conntrack entries etc etc |
| 06:22.22 | sparr | what program can i use to see activity on my audio input(s)? I am trying to figure out which channel on which device corresponds to my actual mic jack |
| 06:22.57 | steven_ | But what about schedulers...? other things |
| 06:23.31 | steven_ | i haven't thought of ? |
| 06:25.19 | enouf | sparr: i see â01-01: emu10k1 mic : Mic Capture : capture 1 |
| 06:25.45 | enouf | from alsamixer ; then hit '/' |
| 06:26.19 | enouf | under /proc/asound/pcm |
| 06:27.29 | sparr | enouf: heh, mine isnt quite that simple |
| 06:28.13 | sparr | 00-02: ALC883 Analog : ALC883 Analog : capture 1 | 00-01: ALC883 Digital : ALC883 Digital : playback 1 : capture 1 | 00-00: ALC883 Analog : ALC883 Analog : playback 1 : capture 1 |
| 06:28.30 | sparr | and it gets a lot more complex than that elsewhere |
| 06:28.38 | enouf | i have that also - from my 2nd sound card |
| 06:28.45 | sparr | just one here |
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| 06:32.01 | enouf | what are you actually looking for? a /dev/name? |
| 06:32.09 | Iradieh__ | Does anyone know how I can see the temperature of my Mac Mini (Running Deb 5)? It has a C2D processor |
| 06:32.19 | Iradieh__ | I got tm-sensors installed and I tried sensors-detect but no luck |
| 06:32.23 | flourish | maybe acpi -V |
| 06:32.29 | flourish | :) |
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| 06:32.59 | enouf | ~$ lshal | grep device.file | sort |
| 06:33.03 | kindofabuzz | ok i tried to test hibernate, which was a mistake, now when booting i get a prompt to hit a F key, i hit the key and the grub comes up, select the grub and i get error 22. but, i can boot the grub using supergrupdisk. i don't get it |
| 06:33.38 | sparr | enouf: preferably something that maps to the english(ish) names that the channels have in alsamixer |
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| 06:33.50 | Iradieh__ | flourish: it should work with sensor, it worked before I re-Installed Debian again |
| 06:34.00 | enouf | amixer | less |
| 06:34.00 | kindofabuzz | when you hibernate is there some kind of temp fstab that is created or something? |
| 06:34.51 | sparr | enouf: back to the original request, i want to see that alongside a display of what is actually coming across that channel |
| 06:35.03 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure hibernate ? |
| 06:35.46 | kindofabuzz | ? |
| 06:35.51 | kindofabuzz | will that fix it? |
| 06:36.08 | Iradieh__ | I got tm-sensors installed and I tried sensors-detect but no luck, I got a macmini Debian 5 with C2D processor |
| 06:36.12 | Iradieh__ | Could someone help me |
| 06:36.22 | kindofabuzz | i just don't see how supergrubdisk uses the same grub and it works, but without the disc i get error 22 |
| 06:36.22 | enouf | lsof and fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp |
| 06:36.53 | enouf | i still have no friggin idea what you want |
| 06:37.10 | kindofabuzz | me? |
| 06:37.15 | enouf | no |
| 06:37.35 | vn | hi, [notice] child pid 2928 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) <=== when visiting my pic gallery, since the dist-upgrade...what can I do? thats in the apache's error.log |
| 06:38.29 | flourish | lumato: Iradieh__ sorry, i do not have experience with sensor |
| 06:38.43 | kindofabuzz | where does hibernate sote it's settings? |
| 06:38.46 | kindofabuzz | store* |
| 06:39.01 | enouf | kindofabuzz: hibernate might add an entry to /etc/initramfs-tool/*conf* or something - and alter your initrd - and/or your kernel /proc/cmdline |
| 06:40.48 | kindofabuzz | hmm /proc/cmdline is fine |
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| 06:42.18 | kindofabuzz | i guess those others are fine too. hmm any ideas? |
| 06:43.25 | kindofabuzz | i do have a resume in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d, which points to my swap, maybe delete that? |
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| 06:44.52 | kindofabuzz | ok moved that resume file, lemme try to reboot |
| 06:44.55 | enouf | Iradieh__: tm-? or lm- ? anyways, does lsmod show that processor, thermal, thermal_sys, fan are loaded? |
| 06:44.58 | kindofabuzz | crosses fingers |
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| 06:45.17 | Iradieh__ | enouf: yes |
| 06:45.20 | Iradieh__ | enouf: lm sorry |
| 06:45.31 | Iradieh__ | fan 9352 0 |
| 06:45.42 | Iradieh__ | i2c_dev 10640 0 |
| 06:46.32 | enouf | Iradieh__: you're missing a few? |
| 06:46.59 | Iradieh__ | No |
| 06:46.59 | Iradieh__ | I mean |
| 06:47.01 | Iradieh__ | It detects |
| 06:47.08 | Iradieh__ | and I add it to modules |
| 06:47.11 | Iradieh__ | and I restart modules |
| 06:47.13 | Iradieh__ | even tried rebooting |
| 06:47.20 | Iradieh__ | but when running sensors i get no sensors found |
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| 06:47.55 | Iradieh__ | lspci -v|egrep -e 'ISA|SMBus' -A3 gives me TWO sensors |
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| 06:52.19 | mcgrof-g1 | *tap tap* |
| 06:52.30 | mcgrof-g1 | this thing on? |
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| 06:54.00 | kindofabuzz | enouf, well the problem was that my hd boot order changed. i didn't think it was possible for an OS to do anything like that |
| 06:54.16 | kindofabuzz | to bios* |
| 06:54.25 | askvictor | is there a way to send a running process into a background state (like Ctrl-Z, bg) but so that its detached i.e. I can close the shell and the proccess continues? |
| 06:54.40 | kindofabuzz | askvictor, use screns |
| 06:54.43 | kindofabuzz | screens |
| 06:54.52 | kindofabuzz | google it |
| 06:55.06 | askvictor | the proc is already running; i don't want to stop it |
| 06:55.12 | kindofabuzz | screens |
| 06:55.19 | kindofabuzz | or screen |
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| 06:55.52 | kindofabuzz | you can even ssh into and resume into a screen |
| 06:56.10 | kindofabuzz | !screen |
| 06:56.10 | dpkg | methinks screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or "aptitude install screen" |
| 06:56.32 | steven_ | askvictor: you can also use nohup |
| 06:57.04 | askvictor | that would be nice if i were starting a new process, but i need to do this on a process that is already going |
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| 06:57.33 | kindofabuzz | oh probaly tough luck on that |
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| 06:58.32 | steven_ | askvictor: don't think that's possible, at least not easily |
| 06:59.10 | kindofabuzz | there is some way you can take over a users processes or something like that. don't know if that applies though |
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| 07:02.30 | cromag | !dk |
| 07:02.30 | dpkg | [dk] Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark |
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| 07:04.29 | askvictor | thanks; process finioshed while working it out :) |
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| 07:06.24 | enouf | kindofabuzz: possible you have a few grubs installed? and other one was the one supergrubdisk was using? .. whatever |
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| 07:11.02 | kindofabuzz | enouf, no, one grub. the hibernate switched my bios hd boot order |
| 07:11.50 | enouf | yikes |
| 07:12.20 | Younix | dpkg: i love you. |
| 07:12.21 | dpkg | I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/ |
| 07:12.25 | Younix | ofc. |
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| 07:36.53 | batcoder-7 | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main libpq5 8.3.5-1 |
| 07:36.54 | batcoder-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.59 | batcoder-7 | why am i getting this? |
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| 07:37.49 | mnguyen | Anybody here who can recommend a good iTunes alternative? |
| 07:38.09 | Younix | mnguyen: .. |
| 07:38.18 | Younix | to download music? to listen to music? |
| 07:38.18 | Younix | what |
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| 07:38.34 | mnguyen | Younix: to listen to music |
| 07:38.44 | Younix | hmm |
| 07:38.54 | mnguyen | i'm using openbox right now |
| 07:39.02 | Younix | i like amarok |
| 07:39.04 | Younix | :< |
| 07:39.04 | mnguyen | so i have a pretty light system |
| 07:39.09 | Younix | amarok is pretty light |
| 07:39.17 | Younix | if configured properly |
| 07:39.29 | mnguyen | Younix: yeah i had a feeling you were going to say that ;) I'd have to install all the kde-libs though |
| 07:39.46 | Younix | :< |
| 07:39.51 | Younix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_media_players |
| 07:39.55 | lnostdal | uh, totem? .. it plays my music and complains little |
| 07:39.56 | Younix | take your pic |
| 07:40.04 | Younix | k |
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| 07:40.54 | mnguyen | Younix: heh okay thanks :) |
| 07:41.03 | Younix | :P |
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| 08:06.53 | Younix | i once knew a girl named "paul" |
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| 08:11.12 | achilles | hello, is it possible to apply quotas on NFS mounted file system ? |
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| 08:12.46 | Younix | achilles: http://tinyurl.com/brtawf |
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| 08:13.55 | achilles | Younix, hehe ... thanks |
| 08:14.04 | Younix | :) |
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| 08:16.18 | achilles | Okay I have another question, I'm trying to pull out query of leases from dhcp server this RFC 3488 is new, I just want to be sure that's possible |
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| 08:21.56 | antipivo | hi all! who use Rhythmbox ? |
| 08:22.05 | valdyn | !tell antipivo -about polls |
| 08:22.41 | Younix | is curious |
| 08:22.48 | Younix | !tell Younix -about polls |
| 08:22.56 | avu | !tell Younix about self tell |
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| 08:23.21 | Younix | acknowledged |
| 08:23.23 | Younix | :P |
| 08:23.26 | zeeble | hi.. anyone here runs a website that has a newsletter service attached with it? i'd like some suggestions for a newsletter management software that can handle bounces, subscriptions and unsubscribe stuff |
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| 08:24.14 | antipivo | advise please list radio station from Rhythmbox |
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| 08:28.10 | Iradieh__ | If I want to TOTALLY remove xfce4 and every trace of it, what do I type then? I tried sudo apt-get autoremmove --purge xfce4 but the file size seemed smaller then when I installed |
| 08:29.31 | Supaplex | zeeble: rss++ |
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| 08:29.48 | Younix | Iradieh__: http://tinyurl.com/d6gbgu |
| 08:30.10 | zeeble | Supaplex: lol, not rss |
| 08:30.18 | zeeble | already got rss working |
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| 08:32.07 | Iradieh__ | Younix: I did that |
| 08:32.10 | Iradieh__ | I cant find a complete guide |
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| 08:34.00 | Federico2 | morning |
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| 08:34.59 | henhir | Hello there, what is a good programm to search for filenames in a certain dir and maybe view text files from the results? |
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| 08:39.37 | zeeble | henhir: find |
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| 08:41.00 | Younix | i use locate. |
| 08:41.01 | Younix | :< |
| 08:41.04 | henhir | zeeble: at best a software that is capable of caching and results while you type. |
| 08:41.32 | Spida | is it possible to find out which program is using inotify on which file/directory? |
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| 08:43.04 | enouf | Younix: that's not very nice sending people to Google.com cloaked via a tinryurl ... once in a while, ok - but really |
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| 08:43.39 | Younix | i like it. :< |
| 08:43.44 | Younix | acknowledged, though |
| 08:43.47 | enouf | henhir: how view text files, list, or view contents? |
| 08:43.51 | zeeble | henhir: well, you could use google desktop :) |
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| 08:43.56 | achilles | enouf, why not very nice .. |
| 08:44.12 | achilles | enouf, Younix it's just a way to tell sth |
| 08:44.14 | zeeble | henhir: there is another software called "beagle" though |
| 08:44.20 | enouf | not applicable - it presumes the person hasn't yet googled |
| 08:44.20 | Younix | sth? |
| 08:44.27 | achilles | something |
| 08:44.48 | steven_ | Younix: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=KKK is much better :) |
| 08:44.53 | Younix | enouf: well usually i google around and see if _I_ can find the answer, and if so..then i do that |
| 08:45.11 | zeeble | henhir: http://beagle-project.org/Main_Page |
| 08:45.23 | enouf | Iradieh__: ~$ dpkg -l \*xfce* |
| 08:45.40 | Iradieh__ | enouf: as sudo |
| 08:45.45 | Younix | dpkg's "purge" factoid aid something like that |
| 08:45.49 | Younix | said* |
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| 08:45.57 | valdyn | !remove xfce |
| 08:45.58 | valdyn | !remove xfce4 |
| 08:45.59 | enouf | henhir: for starters - the things you might not see removed, might be depends and/or recommends |
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| 08:46.11 | Iradieh__ | enouf: it just printed alot of text |
| 08:46.14 | Iradieh__ | what did it do? |
| 08:46.36 | enouf | ooops |
| 08:46.44 | enouf | henhir: ~$ dpkg -l \*xfce* |
| 08:46.52 | Iradieh__ | :/ |
| 08:46.55 | Iradieh__ | What did I do now enouf ? |
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| 08:47.38 | enouf | oh goodnesss - i'm sorry |
| 08:47.48 | enouf | i can't get your friggin nicks straight |
| 08:47.52 | Iradieh__ | enouf: o_O |
| 08:47.54 | Iradieh__ | enouf: TWELL ME what I did |
| 08:47.57 | Iradieh__ | and how do I undo it |
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| 08:48.35 | enouf | henhir: ~$ dpkg -l \*xfce* | grep ^.i (will show any/all installed pkgs with xfce in the name) |
| 08:48.48 | enouf | er Iradieh__ |
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| 08:49.34 | Iradieh__ | enouf: how do I undo what I just did ;_; |
| 08:50.03 | enouf | apt-cache depends xfce4 will show you it's depends, use rdepends for reverse |
| 08:50.14 | enouf | what did you do? |
| 08:51.25 | enouf | henhir: my apologies; the only valid comment to you from me was; <enouf> henhir: how view text files, list, or view contents? |
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| 08:52.08 | DarkriftX | anyone know a good place to start looking for an arm .deb for firefox 3? |
| 08:52.21 | DarkriftX | doesnt seem to be in the apt repos |
| 08:52.56 | enouf | judd --release lenny --arch arm iceweasel |
| 08:52.57 | judd | enouf: Error: "--release" is not a valid command. |
| 08:53.18 | enouf | judd iceweasel --arch arm |
| 08:53.19 | judd | enouf: Error: "iceweasel" is not a valid command. |
| 08:53.27 | enouf | judd versions iceweasel --arch arm |
| 08:53.28 | judd | enouf: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.17-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.6-1 |
| 08:53.49 | enouf | DarkriftX: one of those, depending on which release you use |
| 08:53.54 | DarkriftX | oh, its iceweasel |
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| 08:54.04 | DarkriftX | i c |
| 08:54.06 | enouf | !why iceweasel |
| 08:54.06 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 08:54.42 | DarkriftX | heh, i think its already installed |
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| 08:55.06 | boraln | when i do a 'ls -la', my dir has sub-dir of '.' and '..'. Is this a sign that my system has been hacked? |
| 08:55.07 | DarkriftX | installed ldxe on my phone, ill check if it came with it |
| 08:55.16 | enouf | boraln: no |
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| 08:55.26 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 08:55.34 | enouf | boraln: . is PWD, and .. is the Parent |
| 08:55.38 | DarkriftX | . = current directory, .. = parent |
| 08:55.41 | boraln | enouf: i remember reading somewhere that it is so. |
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| 08:55.46 | DarkriftX | you read wrong |
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| 08:55.53 | DarkriftX | every computer in the world has . and .. |
| 08:55.55 | enouf | boraln: try this; cd ../ |
| 08:55.58 | DarkriftX | well, no |
| 08:56.00 | DarkriftX | but close lol |
| 08:56.26 | jackweb | Hello! How to get a list of programs using a given library? |
| 08:56.36 | enouf | jackweb: ldd |
| 08:56.47 | jackweb | Ok, thanks - I'll try. |
| 08:56.52 | enouf | er, perhaps .. might be reverse of what you asked |
| 08:56.53 | boraln | what about the case of a hacked system? what extra would 'ls -la' produce? |
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| 08:57.20 | rvsjoen | boraln: not necessarily anything |
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| 08:57.52 | rvsjoen | jackweb: are you talking about running or installed applications ? |
| 08:57.57 | DarkriftX | -l gives you file sizes and other info, -a is all (i think) |
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| 08:58.21 | DarkriftX | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.29 | DarkriftX | so -a tells it to display . and .. :S |
| 08:58.48 | boraln | sounds logical. |
| 08:58.49 | jackweb | rvsjoen: Installed by aptitude. |
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| 08:59.08 | boraln | bye. |
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| 08:59.26 | jackweb | I mean something an APT tool. Don't know if such exists. |
| 08:59.38 | jackweb | some APT tool* |
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| 09:00.26 | b1n42y | hi, can someone please point me to md5 checksum for deb 500 kde disk 1 |
| 09:00.28 | rvsjoen | jackweb: well, the graphical interface to aptitude is able to show you which packages depend on the one you are examining, dont know about any command line tools that do the same, they might exist |
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| 09:00.50 | rvsjoen | out, back in 30 |
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| 09:01.43 | b1n42y | i'd like to check wether my download is corrupt or copying of iso made it corrupt |
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| 09:03.03 | b1n42y | fark is every1 asleep |
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| 09:03.16 | enouf | jackweb: if you go to pdo, enter the library name in the file contents search area, and select your desired release, it'll kick back all pkgs that contain that lib |
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| 09:04.47 | enouf | b1n42y: a) the direct where you got the ISO, and b) 'check integrity' choice in the boot menu |
| 09:05.00 | enouf | er b1n42y: a) the directory ... |
| 09:05.14 | b1n42y | nevermind , found it but its for the iso im assuming the bittorent md5 iso is same yes ? |
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| 09:05.19 | enouf | (or it's parent, at worst) |
| 09:05.39 | b1n42y | enouf: ya my cd is corrupt ive already done that |
| 09:05.45 | enouf | doesn't bittorent do auto md5summing? |
| 09:05.57 | b1n42y | enouf: just want to make sure image is ok b4 i burn another one |
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| 09:06.24 | b1n42y | enouf: but i need to compare it , nevermind i think it was stupid question |
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| 09:08.13 | b1n42y | breaths a sigh of relief image on HD is fine, stupid k3b and cd and cd rom not buring properly |
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| 09:09.18 | enouf | b1n42y: here; one sec |
| 09:09.46 | b1n42y | i burnt it using 48 speed, but that shouldnt be a problem, but b4 i burnt it i marked the cd with a texter maybe thats it |
| 09:09.55 | b1n42y | 2240dcac38e8aaadfbb670506eb7323a |
| 09:09.56 | enouf | b1n42y: $ wodim -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdd -dao driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /path/to/iso |
| 09:10.00 | b1n42y | i got it thanks |
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| 09:10.09 | b1n42y | oh, |
| 09:10.14 | enouf | b1n42y: alter dev=/dev/hdd to correct /dev/name |
| 09:10.50 | enouf | b1n42y: also note; isoinfo -d dev=/dev/cdrom should kick out header info |
| 09:10.57 | b1n42y | they are 700mb cds for 650 data i dont need overburn |
| 09:11.08 | enouf | b1n42y: i think add -i , remove -d for a ISO file on HDD |
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| 09:11.46 | b1n42y | enouf: i saying k3b is dodgy? |
| 09:11.47 | enouf | b1n42y: trust me - that command has never failed me or others :-) do what you like though |
| 09:11.50 | b1n42y | tare* |
| 09:11.56 | b1n42y | enouf: are* |
| 09:12.12 | enouf | b1n42y: no - too many settings to set though |
| 09:12.15 | enouf | and unclear |
| 09:12.18 | jackweb | enouf: thanks. |
| 09:12.27 | enouf | np jackweb |
| 09:13.07 | b1n42y | enouf: oh ok, i see you have write mode in there and other stuff |
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| 09:15.01 | b1n42y | enouf: isoinfo -d dev=/dev/cdrom should kick out header info > whats that for |
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| 09:16.01 | enouf | b1n42y: don't worry about it if it's not useful to you |
| 09:17.14 | b1n42y | enouf: ok thanks for your help, ill try that if it fails with k3b, im using slower speed now and no texter, usually have no probs buring bootable iso's |
| 09:17.29 | enouf | ok |
| 09:17.51 | enouf | b1n42y: k3b can log the burn too - you save it, then review |
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| 09:18.07 | enouf | it also has a verify burn option |
| 09:18.24 | b1n42y | enouf: ya but then you need a degree to understand whats its trying to tell you :D |
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| 09:18.41 | enouf | heh |
| 09:19.19 | b1n42y | enouf: ya i cbf waiting for verify , but in this case would have saved me some time i guess i should have it on for OSes .... |
| 09:19.22 | enouf | b1n42y: what's a 'texter'? |
| 09:19.46 | b1n42y | enouf: haha spirit based marker, im in ozland |
| 09:19.51 | kj4 | hello all |
| 09:20.00 | enouf | oh, a Sharpie? |
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| 09:20.13 | b1n42y | enouf: 1 sec |
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| 09:20.51 | b1n42y | enouf: artline permanent marker xylene free |
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| 09:21.27 | enouf | wonderful - that doesn't matter - unless you started writing on the rim/edges or something |
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| 09:21.34 | enouf | or .. the wrong side :-P |
| 09:21.36 | b1n42y | enouf: but ive never actually pre marked before burning maybe it intereferd with the reflection |
| 09:21.42 | jackweb | enouf: and what if a package uses a library that must be installed invidually? (like libboost) The PDO will find only these files that are included to a package. |
| 09:22.20 | enouf | jackweb: that might've come from dmm? i'm not sure i understand |
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| 09:22.54 | enouf | jackweb: which pkgs require libraries to be installed individually? |
| 09:23.05 | b1n42y | enouf: thanks for your help, *rushes to install new deb on tablet* |
| 09:23.49 | enouf | the libboost pkg? then use my aforementioned method ; apt-cache {r}depends, and even apt-rdepends |
| 09:24.03 | enouf | b1n42y: cool |
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| 09:24.27 | Suzu | hi |
| 09:24.42 | nareshov | hi Suzu <3 |
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| 09:25.55 | stepomaticc | hi |
| 09:26.26 | ajcc | hi stepomaticc |
| 09:27.08 | jackweb | enouf: for example I'm looking for programs which use libsdl-mixer1.2 - I'm finding so frozen-bubble, etc. |
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| 09:28.51 | kj4 | i need a recommendation of a minimalist distribution based on debian |
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| 09:29.47 | rvsjoen | jackweb: try 'aptitude why <package>' |
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| 09:30.23 | ajcc | kj4: debian can be very minimalistic, but damnsmalllinux (DSL) is very minimalistic |
| 09:30.35 | rvsjoen | jackweb: in any case it will not list libraries that need to be manually installed |
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| 09:30.55 | kj4 | thanks ajcc i'm about to give dsl a shot, installed to the hard drive |
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| 09:31.51 | ajcc | kj4: on the site it says it becomes debian os when installed onto a harddrive, but might be a tiny one :) on my laptop I installed Debian without any of the graphical packages, and then added xorg and evilwm myself, quite minimalistic |
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| 09:32.11 | ajcc | kj4: but anyway, have fun! |
| 09:33.03 | kj4 | ajcc if i'm not thrilled with dsl i'll wipe it and try your method. thanks! |
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| 09:33.46 | Haret | hi |
| 09:33.53 | ajcc | Hi Haret |
| 09:33.54 | nareshov | !hello @ Haret |
| 09:34.03 | ajcc | !hello @ ajcc |
| 09:34.15 | nareshov | heh |
| 09:34.17 | Haret | what the locale of chanal? |
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| 09:34.32 | ajcc | nareshov: thought it was a bot introduction or something |
| 09:34.41 | nareshov | me too |
| 09:35.04 | Haret | whereis bot, ÿ íå áîò áëÿ |
| 09:35.26 | jackweb | rvsjoen: yeah, but it run for only installed packages? |
| 09:35.33 | jackweb | However, thank you for your help. |
| 09:35.40 | Haret | âî, òàê ëó÷øå) |
| 09:35.50 | rvsjoen | yes, it tells you why you need to have the package installed |
| 09:35.50 | rmrfchik | o_O |
| 09:36.10 | antipivo | Haret: zdarova )) |
| 09:36.21 | Haret | antipivo: ïðèâåò |
| 09:36.33 | antipivo | 0_o |
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| 09:37.18 | themill | !ru |
| 09:37.19 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 09:38.01 | antipivo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.18 | Haret | antipivo: yes |
| 09:38.23 | dimir | At least use utf-8. |
| 09:38.26 | dimir | ÐнаÑе пизда. |
| 09:38.28 | nareshov | ya |
| 09:38.28 | dimir | :-P |
| 09:38.32 | nareshov | no utf-8 there ;/ |
| 09:38.46 | antipivo | Haret: / join #debian-russian |
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| 09:39.56 | antipivo | Haret: if you wont learn English language on this channel ? ) |
| 09:40.07 | antipivo | *or |
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| 09:42.10 | DarkriftX | anyone know what i can do about this? http://pastebin.com/d8062de4 |
| 09:42.15 | DarkriftX | dpkg error |
| 09:42.16 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 09:42.23 | DarkriftX | wtf |
| 09:42.29 | Suzu | I will soon upgrade from etch to lenny. If I do a "apt-get distupgrade -s" first and all goes well, how much of a clue is it to tell wether the upgraded system will work correctly ? |
| 09:42.30 | nareshov | :D |
| 09:43.03 | Suzu | i mean could there be some changes in config files or so causing trouble ? |
| 09:43.59 | zeeble | not much, suzu. |
| 09:44.05 | rdz | Suzu, there are some config files, that change. i'd suggest to read the release notes and the upgrade guide |
| 09:44.21 | Suzu | ok thanks, thought so. |
| 09:44.25 | zeeble | i didnt have a lot of probs when i migrated.. but i moved from etch-> unstable a while ago. worked fine. |
| 09:44.28 | rdz | Suzu, at least you need to touch apache2 virtualhost config files |
| 09:45.06 | rdz | Suzu, depending on what services you are using, you might need to adapt more |
| 09:45.49 | Suzu | ok I'll read the release notes and upgrade guide |
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| 09:46.25 | rdz | Suzu, it is interesting to do so anyway, if you are hosting a debian server... probably this is less of a matter if it is about a local desktop box, i gues |
| 09:46.42 | kabotage | whats the -dbg for plasma? |
| 09:46.51 | Suzu | it is meant for servers in production |
| 09:46.52 | kabotage | and amarok? |
| 09:47.23 | Suzu | but I just wanted to have your advices first :) |
| 09:47.50 | rdz | Suzu, yo.. i am no debian guru, but i already upgraded and i was happy to have read the guidelines first |
| 09:48.05 | Suzu | ok |
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| 09:53.52 | enouf | ~$ apt-rdepends libsdl-mixer1.2 | grep -v -i depends (perhaps jackweb) |
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| 10:01.12 | nsadmin | rdz: I recently upgraded a laptop; I have yet to meet all the horribly broken bugs^W^W^Wupgraded packages, but the laptop's main reason for being is intact... (I did have to go back from 2.6.28 which I compiled to a 2.6.26 debian kernel which surprisingly loaded the sound module and its firmware, pretty much out of the box) |
| 10:01.30 | DarkriftX | on xstartup what would i put to start kde? im replacing lxsession from lxde |
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| 10:01.33 | nsadmin | I did read and follow the guidelines in section 4 |
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| 10:05.18 | amitz | my virtual machine from virtual machine manager says libvirtError: internal error Failed to add tap interface 'vnet%d' to bridge 'virbr0' : No such device |
| 10:05.57 | Suzu | rdz i can't seem to find an official upgrade guide on debian's website :/ would you have an url please ? |
| 10:06.02 | amitz | Somehow I don't have the virbr0 interface. The first time I installed, it exists. Debian lenny |
| 10:06.25 | amitz | How to create this virbr0, or what to do? |
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| 10:09.53 | rdz | Suzu, one sec |
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| 10:10.32 | amitz | solved. virsh net-start default |
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| 10:11.50 | rdz | Suzu, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 10:12.03 | rdz | Suzu, it is just chapter 4 of the release notes |
| 10:12.11 | Suzu | thanks rdz |
| 10:12.20 | rdz | Suzu, np |
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| 10:15.58 | cmyers_ | ugh... is it possible the debian version of a library (e.g. lua5.1) doesn't set up its pkg config stuff correctly? How would I confirm/rule out this is a problem with the lua5.1 packages in Lenny? |
| 10:16.30 | b1n42y | i ineed to install firmware for my wireless card how do i know whichj one |
| 10:16.30 | cmyers_ | (I am trying to build something which depends on lua and its ./configure script is dying saying it can't find lua, but the pkgs are installed and the libs are there... =( |
| 10:17.36 | cmyers_ | b1n42y: what wireless card is it? Do you know the chipset and/or which driver you will be using? |
| 10:17.57 | b1n42y | not sure |
| 10:18.21 | b1n42y | cmyers_: built in, its an intel |
| 10:18.31 | cmyers_ | try `sudo lspci -v | less` |
| 10:18.38 | cmyers_ | and look for it in that output. |
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| 10:18.52 | cmyers_ | if it is a 2200 or 2100 pro, you should have an easy time. |
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| 10:19.42 | cmyers_ | I just googled for like, "intel 2200 debian howto" and found a walkthrough with good instructions, if that's the one you have, I can try to dig it up again. |
| 10:20.13 | nareshov | check the debian wiki |
| 10:20.30 | cmyers_ | yeh, it might have been the one on the debian wiki - good howtos up there. |
| 10:20.44 | b1n42y | cmyers_: ok thanks, will give it a go |
| 10:21.53 | b1n42y | cmyers_: intel pro 2915ABG |
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| 10:22.10 | thyko | hi all |
| 10:22.15 | thyko | how do i make dhcpd serve only on eth1? |
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| 10:23.04 | b1n42y | cmyers_: looks like the firmware is the same as the 2200 |
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| 10:23.53 | cmyers_ | well I don't have my laptop handy right now, but I'm pretty sure if you `apt-cache search ipw2200`` you will find a driver package and a firmware package. I think all you need is to have both installed. |
| 10:24.06 | ma3x | i just installed debian on intel c2d. why is 686 the default image? isn't it supposed to be 486? |
| 10:24.16 | cmyers_ | if you need more detailed instructions than that (i.e. configuring wpa, iwconfig, etc) you should find a howto |
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| 10:25.18 | cmyers_ | oh, and the ipw2200 driver usually makes your wireless card an ethX, not a wlanX, so if you already have an ethernet card, your wireless will be "eth1" probably. |
| 10:25.19 | b1n42y | nah i just need to enable non free rep |
| 10:25.28 | cmyers_ | *smack head*, right, and that |
| 10:25.31 | b1n42y | yep |
| 10:25.40 | cmyers_ | I always forget about non-free because I add it to all my systems pretty much |
| 10:26.04 | cmyers_ | now if only I could figure out this pkg config problem |
| 10:26.26 | b1n42y | just started using kde aand deb, so i need to find sources,do i just enable or do i need to add url |
| 10:27.31 | cmyers_ | whatever your existing line is, say it already has "lenny contrib" you can just add " non-free" to the end. |
| 10:27.37 | cmyers_ | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:28.11 | cmyers_ | erm, here's an example: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 10:28.28 | b1n42y | thanks! |
| 10:28.33 | cmyers_ | no problemo |
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| 10:29.39 | b1n42y | cmyers_: whats the gui text for kde? |
| 10:29.51 | icemang__ | text editor? |
| 10:30.02 | icemang__ | i like kate |
| 10:30.16 | b1n42y | yep ta |
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| 10:35.24 | b1n42y | hmm, i only have updates main and volatile main which i just uncommented is there a way to get closest ftp in oz automatically, or is there alink to add from |
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| 10:37.58 | nareshov | b1n42y: try netselect |
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| 10:38.32 | ma3x | i just installed debian on intel c2d. why is 686 the default image? isn't it supposed to be 486? |
| 10:38.54 | epsilon | amd64 |
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| 10:39.52 | epsilon | and you don't want to use 486 on CPU after P2 |
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| 10:41.54 | quentusrex | Does anyone know, does the dns record have to match the server hostname? |
| 10:42.04 | quentusrex | can I have mail.mydomain.net as the hostname, |
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| 10:42.14 | petemc | quentusrex: its better if they match |
| 10:42.14 | quentusrex | and a dns record for mail.mydomain.com? |
| 10:42.33 | petemc | quentusrex: as in, its better to have matching forward and reverse dns, and to helo with that name |
| 10:42.34 | bkw | I run qemu guest with -vnc :10, and vncviewer :10 which works. In the vnc session I do export DISPLAY=":10.0", and then xhost + which gives xhost: unable to open display ":10.0" , any ideas how this can be solved? |
| 10:42.40 | jelly-home | quentusrex: it's a very good idea to have it so if you plan on receiving mail there. |
| 10:42.54 | quentusrex | then can I have a mx record for the domain mydomain.com, point to mail.mydomain.net ??? |
| 10:43.04 | jelly-home | quentusrex: yes. |
| 10:43.18 | quentusrex | bkw: ? |
| 10:43.24 | quentusrex | you're still up? |
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| 10:44.08 | quentusrex | hmm |
| 10:44.28 | quentusrex | must be a different bkw... |
| 10:44.42 | cmyers_ | Is it possible the debian version of a library (e.g. lua5.1) doesn't set up its pkg config stuff correctly? How would I confirm/rule out this is a problem with the lua5.1 packages in Lenny? I am trying to build something which depends on lua and its ./configure script is dying saying it can't find lua, but the pkgs are installed and the libs are there... =( |
| 10:45.05 | cmyers_ | I know nothing about pkg config, I was hoping someone here might? |
| 10:45.12 | jelly-home | cmyers_: is the correct matching -dev package installed? |
| 10:45.37 | cmyers_ | jelly-home yes, I believe so, and the /usr/lib/<etc> file is there. |
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| 10:48.05 | cmyers_ | jelly-home : in this instance, I have the following installed: liblua5.1-0 liblua5.1-0-dev liblua5.1-gtk-0 liblua5.1-gtk-dev liblua5.1-socket2 lua5.1 |
| 10:48.09 | jelly-home | cmyers_: /usr/lib/ what? A configure script will look for /usr/share/pkgconfig/*.pc and the header files, or similar |
| 10:48.10 | cmyers_ | but it can't find the package "lua" |
| 10:48.44 | cmyers_ | jelly-home : ok, that's helpful - I didn't know that was where they should all be kept |
| 10:48.48 | jelly-home | cmyers_: it should be looking for package "lua5.1": liblua5.1-0-dev: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/lua5.1.pc |
| 10:48.55 | cmyers_ | i have all those lua packages installed, but there is no "lua" package in that directory. |
| 10:49.20 | quentusrex | Also, is there much of a difference between (one level) A records such as www.mydomain.com and (two level) a records such as mysql.dbase.mydomain.com? and what about (three levels) serv1.mysql.dbase.mydomain.com ?? |
| 10:49.25 | jelly-home | (sorry for the wrong directory above) |
| 10:49.33 | b1n42y | nareshov: thanks stupid kpackager doesnt apt-get update .... |
| 10:49.40 | b1n42y | lucky i kinda know what im doing |
| 10:49.46 | petemc | quentusrex: the differences are obvious |
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| 10:50.05 | quentusrex | petemc: I mean when creating the records... |
| 10:50.07 | cmyers_ | `ls -lsa /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ | grep lua` => nothing found =( |
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| 10:50.49 | b1n42y | oh wait in its special .. *blushes* |
| 10:51.11 | jelly-home | dpkg: find /pkgconfig/lua lenny |
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| 10:51.15 | petemc | quentusrex: same answer |
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| 10:51.43 | cmyers_ | pokes dpkg... "wake up!" |
| 10:51.43 | quentusrex | petemc: I used the 'test it and see if it works' method, and it works... :) |
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| 10:51.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/pkgconfig/lua' (5 of 19): (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/lua50.pc) in libdevel/liblua50-dev ;; (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/lua5.1.pc) in libdevel/liblua5.1-0-dev ;; (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/lualib50.pc) in libdevel/liblualib50-dev ;; (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/lua5.1-bit.pc) in libdevel/liblua5.1-bit-dev ;; (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/lua5.1-lpeg.pc) in libdevel/liblua5.1-lpeg-dev. |
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| 10:52.10 | cmyers_ | oh, it must be a big search, hehe, I r imaptient =( |
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| 10:52.37 | cmyers_ | so I need to install "liblualib50-dev"? what a rediculous package name |
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| 10:53.00 | jelly-home | cmyers_: only if you want lua50. |
| 10:53.27 | cmyers_ | oh, wait, yeh, I do think I need 5.1+ |
| 10:53.35 | cmyers_ | so liblua5.1-lpeg-dev |
| 10:53.43 | jelly-home | cmyers_: it looks like liblua5.1-0-dev should provide /usr/lib/pkgconfig/lua5.1.pc, are you sure you have it installed? |
| 10:53.49 | cmyers_ | wait, that's the lpeg one. I actually can read, i swear =) |
| 10:53.59 | jelly-home | cmyers_: dpkg -L liblua5.1-0-dev|grep pkgconfig |
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| 10:54.23 | cmyers_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep liblua5.1-0-dev |
| 10:54.25 | cmyers_ | ii liblua5.1-0-dev |
| 10:55.08 | cmyers_ | yeh, WTF, it lists it when I do a "-L" even: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/lua5.1.pc |
| 10:55.15 | cmyers_ | my install must be corrupt. |
| 10:55.40 | jelly-home | debsums. |
| 10:55.58 | cmyers_ | *smack head* well it's there now. |
| 10:56.07 | jelly-home | riight. |
| 10:56.13 | cmyers_ | now to satisfy the next horrific mind-numbing dependency of this beast. |
| 10:56.20 | cmyers_ | thanks for the hand-holding - seriously. =) |
| 10:56.26 | jelly-home | np |
| 10:57.54 | cmyers_ | ahah, that's why it started working, I installed lua50 |
| 10:58.06 | cmyers_ | it is looking for lua.pc but not lua5.1.pc or something like that |
| 10:58.22 | cmyers_ | I am gonna make this thing build cleanly if it kills me. |
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| 11:04.54 | b1n42y | im getting .30 ms lag ! |
| 11:05.13 | b1n42y | kSirc is way coller then pidgin |
| 11:05.21 | b1n42y | cooler* |
| 11:05.43 | CoolCold | irssi is da best |
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| 11:09.58 | nareshov | irssi++ |
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| 11:13.28 | eeeeek | muahahah success wireless card working |
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| 11:14.05 | Ace2017_- | |tee build.log seems to mess with aptitude's output, is this to be expected? |
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| 11:14.58 | martian67 | hrm, how can i tell what process has a particular connection open |
| 11:14.59 | martian67 | ? |
| 11:15.15 | howtoo | is there any installers for installing debian i386 on < 256 mb disks? |
| 11:15.26 | Ace2017_- | martian67: netstat? |
| 11:15.34 | howtoo | found emdebian, but it only supports arm, it looks like |
| 11:15.44 | Ace2017_- | howtoo: maybe the netinstall disk |
| 11:15.51 | martian67 | Ace2017_-, dosent give you process information |
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| 11:16.21 | hedin | hi, i have installed kvm, but it woun't load.... http://rafb.net/p/VSUsjj22.html |
| 11:16.55 | howtoo | Ace2017_-, I'll check into it, thanks |
| 11:17.23 | sepski | martian67, netstat -p |
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| 11:17.33 | sepski | -plon even if its listening servers you wany |
| 11:17.48 | MoL0ToV^ | good day to all! i have a problem in my debian roaming profiles samba configuration. How to force the users to load the mandatory profile on the server instead the previously cached profile present into clients Document and settings folder? |
| 11:17.50 | sepski | -p may require root |
| 11:18.59 | enouf | i use -tunap |
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| 11:20.39 | Ace2017_- | enouf: is it common for firefox to be listening? |
| 11:21.26 | enouf | listening to what? i don't use firepoop, thank you very much ;-) |
| 11:22.13 | eeeeek | enouf: what do you use? |
| 11:22.13 | enouf | lsof | egrep -i 'LIST|ESTAB' is another fav |
| 11:22.14 | Ace2017_- | you use opera? |
| 11:22.20 | enouf | !links2 |
| 11:22.20 | dpkg | it has been said that links2 is a text and graphics browser with https and javascript. http://packages.debian.org/links2, or for using in Console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in Console in GUI mode) Ask me about <links2 settings> |
| 11:22.29 | eeeeek | opera = poor |
| 11:22.37 | hedin | !kvm |
| 11:22.38 | dpkg | well, kvm is kernel virtual memory kernel address space, or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios. |
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| 11:23.23 | Ace2017_- | eeeeek: its faster than friefox, especially with image manipulation and rendering on the screen |
| 11:23.52 | Ace2017_- | and it seems to render stuff better then the other linux browsers i have tried for a few minutes at a time |
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| 11:24.46 | hedin | Ace2017_-, is opera even in the repos? |
| 11:25.04 | martian67 | does anyone have any idea why apt-get -qq -d dist-upgrade |
| 11:25.13 | martian67 | would be running in the background? |
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| 11:25.33 | enouf | some update-manager called it? |
| 11:25.56 | martian67 | according to pstree |
| 11:26.03 | martian67 | its running from anacron |
| 11:26.04 | Ace2017_- | according to this its a trojen :( http://isc.sans.org/services.html |
| 11:26.06 | enouf | pstree -lunap |
| 11:26.35 | enouf | oh, than it's the /etc/cron.daily/* ? |
| 11:26.43 | martian67 | yes |
| 11:26.51 | martian67 | what is that doing? |
| 11:27.03 | enouf | or .weekly or whatever -- check out the scripts =P |
| 11:27.22 | martian67 | so its basicly cacheing the packages |
| 11:27.31 | martian67 | in preparation for my installing of them? |
| 11:27.47 | enouf | i recall the default time set for cron.daily was ~ 06.25am EST |
| 11:28.03 | jelly | martian67: correct. |
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| 11:28.35 | martian67 | couldnt that lead to some rather large downloads? heh |
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| 11:28.56 | enouf | i take it, the via rhine NIC is working? :-) |
| 11:29.06 | martian67 | enouf, weirdest thing ever |
| 11:29.16 | jelly | martian67: you shouldn't have enabled it, then |
| 11:29.25 | martian67 | i dont recall doing so |
| 11:29.28 | martian67 | but maybee i did o.O |
| 11:29.57 | martian67 | once i modded the via rhine driver to use those pci-ids |
| 11:30.01 | martian67 | and loaded the driver |
| 11:30.05 | martian67 | the pci-ids changed |
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| 11:30.13 | enouf | i saw .. in ##kernel |
| 11:30.13 | martian67 | to a normal via rhine model |
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| 11:30.35 | enouf | was going to comment, perhaps you needed also a modules.alias entry, but not sure |
| 11:30.47 | runlevelten | is there anything debian-specific I should know about configuring exim4? |
| 11:30.50 | martian67 | no, because its now that pci-id |
| 11:30.56 | martian67 | even under a different os |
| 11:31.05 | enouf | runlevelten: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-conf ? |
| 11:31.08 | martian67 | its not the driver "faking" it |
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| 11:31.14 | enouf | oh |
| 11:31.22 | enouf | martian67: eeprom? |
| 11:31.24 | martian67 | so thats really weird heh |
| 11:31.27 | martian67 | but why? |
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| 11:31.35 | enouf | ethtool -i // no idea |
| 11:32.08 | runlevelten | enouf: what I want to do is a tiny addition to an extant configuration with dust 3 inches thick - can I simply edit exim4.conf without hilarious results? |
| 11:32.13 | martian67 | jelly, how do you go about enabling/disabling that? |
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| 11:32.30 | jelly | martian67: ah, sorry, it seems apt now has that functionality built it. /etc/cron.daily/apt, man apt.conf |
| 11:32.33 | enouf | martian67: all i know is this http://lwn.net/Articles/300202/ about the e100e |
| 11:32.41 | enouf | er e1000 and e1000e |
| 11:32.45 | runlevelten | that's to say, assuming my changes don't have hilarious results themselves, heh |
| 11:32.52 | groken | can someone explain how all of the version of debootstrap differ? http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ |
| 11:33.06 | martian67 | but how could an eeprom even control the pci-id |
| 11:33.13 | enouf | martian67: i did chmod -x -R /etc/cron.daily/ :-) |
| 11:33.15 | martian67 | unless very purposefully |
| 11:33.24 | enouf | er |
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| 11:33.38 | martian67 | i mean, there would be very little point |
| 11:33.40 | EmleyMoor | If I intend to build an ADSL2+ router/firewall, is there a good PCI modem that would work well with Debian? |
| 11:33.44 | martian67 | in functionality like that |
| 11:33.52 | enouf | martian67: ask the vendor :-) |
| 11:34.00 | martian67 | EmleyMoor, why not just use an ethernet modem? |
| 11:34.20 | jelly | groken: your distro probably has newer versions of a package in newer distro releases. Ask #ubuntu. |
| 11:34.24 | enouf | martian67: have you run update-pccids ? i wonder how you got the pccid when lspci said unknown |
| 11:34.37 | enouf | Also there are Subvendor things |
| 11:34.43 | martian67 | enouf, because if its unknown, it shows it |
| 11:34.49 | enouf | martian67: so msinfo32 mentions it |
| 11:34.56 | enouf | ph |
| 11:34.59 | enouf | oh |
| 11:35.02 | groken | jelly: i'm actually trying to use this on a centos system so that i can install something else on a xen vps |
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| 11:35.07 | EmleyMoor | martian67: Would the Viking card be any good as one? (presents as an 8139 (cp or too?) to the OS) |
| 11:35.10 | martian67 | also there is a commandline option to force it |
| 11:35.20 | enouf | well, lspci -v and lspci -nnk is useful |
| 11:35.25 | EmleyMoor | (trying to save a power outlet) |
| 11:35.38 | jelly | groken: what "something else" would that be? |
| 11:35.46 | martian67 | EmleyMoor, i have zero experience with pci adsl modems |
| 11:35.53 | martian67 | always struck me as a little pointless |
| 11:36.01 | groken | jelly: ubuntu 8.04lts |
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| 11:36.06 | enouf | martian67: black market card? |
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| 11:36.23 | martian67 | enouf, maybee, but damn thats weird |
| 11:36.29 | jelly | groken: you'll have to ask #ubuntu about their installation method. |
| 11:36.39 | enouf | is sad |
| 11:36.48 | martian67 | definately one of the biggest wtfs ive experienced lately heh |
| 11:36.56 | martian67 | enouf, why? |
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| 11:37.09 | enouf | it's 6:30am and .. i just ran out of liquor .. and i didn't even have much yet :-/ |
| 11:37.29 | martian67 | move to somewhere without a 5pm rule heh |
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| 11:38.06 | enouf | oh .. there's a noon rule, not 5pm .. some bars are open ~10 ish, but still - that's a long time :-/ |
| 11:38.08 | groken | jelly: ok, thanks |
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| 11:38.44 | enouf | but really all i have to do, is wait till ~8am .. someone i know wakes up ;-) |
| 11:38.46 | martian67 | where i am they have to stop from 2am-6am |
| 11:38.53 | enouf | still long time |
| 11:40.01 | martian67 | what i want is a linux distribution on a pci card |
| 11:40.03 | enouf | wait, actually - there's a 9-10am rule for stores - i think the bars/pubs only open then .. cause of Lunch :-) |
| 11:40.06 | martian67 | that you can ssh/telnet into |
| 11:40.21 | martian67 | and that has an ethernet jack |
| 11:40.43 | enouf | i could go to the supermarket right now, and get beer.. but that sucks - and i'm stopping my OT now! |
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| 11:42.13 | martian67 | thats actually basicly what the killer nic is |
| 11:42.23 | martian67 | but w/o the abillity to ssh in iirc |
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| 12:04.21 | nivanson | hi, i have a server running. it has two equal harddrives but one is not used. I want to migrate my current hdd into a software raid before it breaks down so i can replace it later on without mayor downtime. Are there any guides for migrating from single hdd setup to software raid? |
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| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/adduser.conf' returned no results. |
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| 12:05.32 | epsilon | guide... not sure, but there must be |
| 12:06.16 | nivanson | i had some irregularities some hour ago... it stopped reading and then i tried restarting it and grub hanged. after i shut it off for a while it started working. temperatures were ok. |
| 12:06.26 | epsilon | but this could be little complicated... cause you need RAID (mdadm) -> (optionally LVM/encryption) -> partitions -> filesystem |
| 12:07.21 | epsilon | so filesystem is on the top... you have to rebuild entire storage from scratch, you can't just mirror existing ext3 to a RAID IIRC |
| 12:07.45 | nivanson | its a simple partition scheme... sda1 /, sda2 extended, sda5, swap |
| 12:08.35 | nivanson | epsilon: it is turning out to become a bother :/ maybe i should turn to my sil fake raid card and use the "mirror" tool |
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| 12:09.31 | epsilon | ok, so here's the procedure |
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| 12:10.05 | epsilon | you take the 2nd empty disk. Create partitions for each filesystem |
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| 12:11.26 | epsilon | in this partition you create desgredated RAID, example for RAID 1, 2 discs: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=raid1 --raid-devices=2 missing /dev/hdb2 |
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| 12:12.30 | epsilon | so an array, but with one disk in raid1. mdadm may complain the array is degredated, but inore. it's supposed to be so |
| 12:12.48 | nivanson | epsilon: im with you so far :D |
| 12:13.14 | epsilon | after that you have device /dev/md0. Just mkfs.<filesystem> /dev/md0 |
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| 12:13.42 | epsilon | copy from 1st disc -> this new filesystem on 2nd disk |
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| 12:14.47 | epsilon | aftre copy is done, unplug the 1st disk and make the raid-disc to boot (you know, MBR and such stuf... ask google |
| 12:15.18 | epsilon | if that works, plug 1st disc, flush it and create partitions like on 2nd disc. add it with mdadm to array |
| 12:15.41 | epsilon | that's the short verion... got the basic idea of the order? |
| 12:16.10 | dutchfish | hi, using kommander, creating a new project, makes useinternalparser the fefault in wich i can not use the reserved word @exec to execute things like date, ls etc. When not using the internal parser it does work. can someone explain why this behavior? |
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| 12:16.20 | nivanson | yeah i got it! thanks a lot! I will do some more research and then start the procedure :) |
| 12:16.24 | dutchfish | s/fefault/default |
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| 12:17.48 | epsilon | of course you repeat that for each partition... so /dev/md0, md1, md2... depends how many partition you have |
| 12:18.00 | dutchfish | or should i address this q to another #ofrum? |
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| 12:19.25 | epsilon | fstab would look like: /dev/md0 / ext3 defaults 0 0 |
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| 12:20.37 | epsilon | oh, and final step to add the disc 1 to array would be like: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/hda2 |
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| 12:23.16 | plsd | Anyone know how I can get my podcasts back on Rhythmbox? It automatically started downloading a bunch but I wanted to do that manually do I selected all and deleted both file and entry, now it's all empty. How can I get just the entries back? |
| 12:25.21 | plsd | Oh and can the package reportbug also be used for usability "bugs"? |
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| 12:28.38 | eeeeek | ahh theres nothing quite like a tried and stable system, for example i havent been getting 25mb/s transfers from usb stick on any other distro |
| 12:28.48 | eeeeek | erm 158 |
| 12:29.00 | eeeeek | arg 15* |
| 12:29.25 | plsd | nothing like double checking before pressing that enter key huh? :D |
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| 12:29.44 | eeeeek | lots of configuring in debian though, so i can see why ubuntu is popular, plsd sorry |
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| 12:30.05 | plsd | eeeeek, I was just kidding :) |
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| 12:30.38 | eeeeek | slaps plsd around with a small 50lb Unix Manual |
| 12:30.59 | osFrenchDude | Hi..I have a bunch of software (links) in my kde autostart folder. This is working pretty except that some of them (pidgin and amarok for example) are launched twice if don't quit them before shutdown. Is there a way to avoid that ?? |
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| 12:31.46 | petemc | osFrenchDude: at a guess its saving your session, so you can probably tell it not to do that |
| 12:31.49 | themill | osFrenchDude: easiest approaches would be don't save your session when you log out, or include them in the autostart |
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| 12:33.35 | osFrenchDude | petemc: I'll take a look in the kcontrol center |
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| 12:34.55 | osFrenchDude | yep, I have 3 options : restore previous, restore manually, empty session...(I'll try the empty one) |
| 12:35.45 | rgr | anyone understand sound enough to help me get mpd use mplayer as the default player? |
| 12:36.08 | osFrenchDude | I also would lile to have an open source lucida Grande like font for my system...so you know something about that ? |
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| 12:38.54 | b1n42y | is it me or is debian faster than ubuntu |
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| 12:39.27 | Superbartt | less bloated b1n42y |
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| 12:40.02 | b1n42y | Superbartt: hmm that may be the case but even amarok starts faster |
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| 12:41.12 | Superbartt | maybe a better kernel, or just less background shit |
| 12:41.27 | Superbartt | I don't really know, I just know that most people think ubuntu is kinda bloated some times |
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| 12:41.41 | b1n42y | Superbartt: in any case I love it better, its known for stability and im happy so far |
| 12:42.30 | b1n42y | Superbartt: plus kde 3.5.10 rocks |
| 12:42.33 | Roomer | Hi there. Can anyone tell me where i can download the DVDs of Etch (4.0r7)? They are not in the archives yet but already gone from the stable mirrors. |
| 12:42.38 | nareshov | it's the QA that differs, right? |
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| 12:43.38 | Tenkawa | anyone got a workaround for the latest libc6 update for openvz hosts not running 2.6.18 yet? |
| 12:43.54 | b1n42y | Superbartt: for example one annoying thing in ubuntu is that the hiding panel doesnt hide unless you focus on it, kde 3.5.10 doesnt have that prob |
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| 12:45.07 | osFrenchDude | I'm back... |
| 12:45.12 | petemc | this isnt really the right place to point of perceived faults of ubuntu |
| 12:45.29 | plsd | Can the package reportbug also be used for usability "bugs"? |
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| 12:45.40 | petemc | plsd: it cant be used for bugs of any kind |
| 12:45.53 | plsd | petemc, thanks. |
| 12:45.54 | petemc | erm, can be |
| 12:46.12 | plsd | that's how i read it :) |
| 12:46.19 | petemc | all good :) |
| 12:46.25 | Tenkawa | notes its early heheheh |
| 12:46.28 | Tenkawa | at least here |
| 12:46.29 | Tenkawa | :) |
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| 12:47.01 | plsd | Is the bug you found listed above [y|N|m|r|q|s|f|?]? ---> yes, no, maybe? r? q? s? f? |
| 12:47.06 | jelly | plsd: ? |
| 12:47.34 | plsd | in reportbug, novice mode, when reporting a bug, it shows a list of bugs and asks that |
| 12:47.42 | jelly | plsd: yes. Answer ? |
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| 12:47.51 | XPSlammer | plsd: "?" |
| 12:48.18 | jelly | finds this exchange mildly amusing"?" |
| 12:48.18 | plsd | what does m, r, q, s and f mean? |
| 12:48.23 | Superbartt | b1n42y another one fell for the debian love xD (late response, i'm sitting in a train on a really crappy 3g mobile internet connection xD) |
| 12:48.33 | themill | plsd: thought of hitting ? and finding out? |
| 12:48.39 | jelly | plsd: type in the question mark and press enter |
| 12:48.50 | plsd | Actually no, but I just did. Easy to miss though. |
| 12:49.22 | jelly | what did you think that |? part meant? |
| 12:49.34 | themill | debian can do a lot of things, but teaching people to read isn't our primary aim. |
| 12:49.45 | jelly | [m]aybe |
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| 12:49.54 | stew | use edubuntu |
| 12:50.02 | stew | or skoelinu |
| 12:50.07 | themill | hehe |
| 12:50.27 | plsd | yeah, or make NOVICE mode more usable maybe |
| 12:50.43 | themill | plsd: reportbug-ng is a work in progress |
| 12:50.45 | jelly | plsd: that sounds reasonable |
| 12:50.59 | b1n42y | Superbartt: hehe yeah i think ive found my distro after trying about 5 or 6 in the last 6mths ;D |
| 12:51.14 | stew | reportbug-ng is NOT recommended for use |
| 12:51.15 | plsd | themill, that's why I asked if I could report usability bugs as I was going to report that thing. |
| 12:51.25 | Tenkawa | keeps hovering back to debian no matter what distro he tries |
| 12:51.26 | b1n42y | can anyone tell me why ticker mode displays black filled blocks instead of text? |
| 12:51.34 | jelly | if one reports a bug aobut reportbug being unusable, does it get automatically rejected? |
| 12:51.41 | themill | stew: quite... work in progress. |
| 12:52.31 | themill | Is there an apt config option to tell apt I don't care about GPG signed release files and not to complain "The following signatures couldn't be verified..."? |
| 12:52.54 | enouf | martian67: ok, reloaded - feeling better now ;-) |
| 12:53.03 | martian67 | lol |
| 12:53.44 | b1n42y | Tenkawa how do you comment like that and does everyone see it? |
| 12:54.09 | Tenkawa | b1n42y: what do you mean? the /me command in most irc clients? |
| 12:54.11 | jelly | /me does an actions |
| 12:54.22 | Tenkawa | waves |
| 12:54.23 | Tenkawa | :) |
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| 12:54.50 | b1n42y | Test |
| 12:54.54 | Tenkawa | :) |
| 12:55.04 | jelly | Test failed. |
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| 12:55.50 | b1n42y | wow Ksirc even has history up arrow, pidgin sucks lol, ok no more comparing, me happy |
| 12:56.01 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
| 12:56.03 | Tenkawa | I use irssi |
| 12:56.07 | martian67 | pidgin is really lame for irc |
| 12:56.26 | stew | themill: hmm, there is Acquire::gpgv::Options "--ignore-time-conflict" |
| 12:56.32 | b1n42y | ACTION |
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| 12:57.45 | stew | themill: i could have sworn there were more but I don't see them in the index |
| 12:57.58 | themill | stew: there's also a APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true"; There's no way of getting apt to dump all of its hidden config settings is there? |
| 12:58.03 | Tenkawa | stew: what did he do? |
| 12:58.12 | osFrenchDude | I also would lile to have an open source lucida Grande like font for my system (debian squeeze -- kde 3.5)...do you know something about that ? |
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| 12:58.26 | Tenkawa | missed something |
| 12:59.07 | jelly | stew: a warning to the newb might be useful; he was just playing with the irc client |
| 12:59.08 | stew | themill: in thoery they should be listed in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 12:59.15 | enouf | themill: file:///usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz ? |
| 12:59.32 | enouf | !latesmite me |
| 12:59.42 | themill | stew, enouf: yes... been back and forth through that to no avail. |
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| 13:02.24 | Boohbah | osFrenchDude: don't like msttcorefonts? |
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| 13:03.04 | osFrenchDude | Boohbah: it's not what I meant. but I really like the lucida grande, so...I'd like to get it |
| 13:03.07 | osFrenchDude | ,font |
| 13:03.31 | Boohbah | osFrenchDude: apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 13:03.41 | stew | themill: Dir::Bin::gpg = "/bin/true" :) |
| 13:03.46 | jelly | osFrenchDude: a legal way to have it would be to ... buy it |
| 13:03.51 | enouf | ok - anybody else notice mplayer from dmm sid (and even prior versions) go from 0-50, then 51-100 in volume levels? even alsamixer does |
| 13:03.57 | osFrenchDude | Boohbah: already installed |
| 13:04.02 | Tenkawa | why would you want to bypass gpg sigs though? |
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| 13:04.16 | enouf | IOW 1 and 51 are lowest; 50 and 100 are highest |
| 13:04.20 | osFrenchDude | jelly: even though I have a mac os x dual boot ? |
| 13:04.22 | themill | Tenkawa: this is for a db mining exercise not for use on a real system |
| 13:04.30 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 13:04.37 | enouf | it's really starting to piss me off |
| 13:04.38 | jelly | osFrenchDude: so you already have the font? |
| 13:04.57 | jelly | osFrenchDude: if it's .ttf, /msg dpkg install font |
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| 13:05.23 | jelly | I don't know whether xorg and the libs support opentype |
| 13:05.41 | enouf | joins #mplayer and hears all the {debian,dmm} version bashing; /me pummels tghe bozos, but i will get some resolve |
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| 13:05.54 | osFrenchDude | jelly: no I don't have it but I guess I can take it from the install CD.. |
| 13:06.32 | jelly | osFrenchDude: well, if it's there in OSX, it's somewhere on disk. |
| 13:07.06 | osFrenchDude | jelly: probably hidden in some archive...? |
| 13:07.40 | jelly | I'm clueless when it comes to OSX. |
| 13:09.14 | b1n42y | so the 5dvds contain the 25000 packages available to debian? |
| 13:09.25 | jelly | osFrenchDude: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucida_Sans_Unicode says Lucida Grande is "nearly identical" |
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| 13:11.00 | keel | hi ppl, is it possible to swap capslock and control in a virtual terminal. |
| 13:11.09 | keel | I got it to work with X using xmodmap |
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| 13:11.22 | keel | is there a similar solution for virtual terminals? |
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| 13:15.54 | icemang__ | I'm trying to compile a module on a Debian system using instructions for Gentoo. The gentoo instructions mention /lib/modules/[kernel name]/build . is there an equivalent directory on debian? |
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| 13:16.50 | jelly | icemang__: which module? Are packages build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed? |
| 13:17.08 | stew | icemang__: it would be the same directory on debian, after you hav installed the linux-headers package jelly named |
| 13:17.18 | icemang__ | thanks, i missed that step |
| 13:17.23 | icemang__ | i've got build-essential but not headers |
| 13:17.23 | icemang__ | gg |
| 13:17.34 | jelly | !wtf gg |
| 13:17.35 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what gg means... |
| 13:17.43 | jelly | dpkg: you and me both |
| 13:17.43 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 13:18.07 | icemang__ | gg meaning good game... sorry, it's kind of an in-joke |
| 13:18.15 | icemang__ | (i lost that particular game) |
| 13:18.28 | jelly | ty |
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| 13:18.56 | themill | stew: nope. apt has a conversation with gpgv, it doesn't just look for an exit status. I either need to tell apt not to try testing the gpg signature or tell gpgv to always say its valid. I imagine the latter is certainly not possible. |
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| 13:19.17 | stew | utsl |
| 13:19.37 | jelly | themill: gpgv can easily become a wrapper. |
| 13:20.02 | jelly | when in doubt, wrap it. |
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| 13:20.43 | themill | I was hoping not to go there... It would be easier to (somehow) create a trusted.gpg and feed that in to apt. |
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| 13:23.01 | icemang__ | haha i also typoed PRESENCE |
| 13:23.07 | icemang__ | IGNORE_XEN_RESENCE doesn't mean anything! |
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| 13:23.42 | SPF | how do I remove the last comma in a file with sed? |
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| 13:24.06 | nox-Hand | Hey yall! |
| 13:24.47 | nox-Hand | Got an external here, NTFS. I can mount it fine, but only my root user can get access to it. I would like my normal user to also have access -- ideas? I tried the ,user line in fstab, nothing happened :\ Just get permission denied |
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| 13:27.35 | icemang__ | haha! |
| 13:27.42 | icemang__ | nvidia driver status upgraded to broken! |
| 13:27.48 | b1n42y | thinks Ktron is trully evil |
| 13:28.09 | petemc | nox-Hand: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
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| 13:30.09 | nox-Hand | Why, thankyou petemc :) |
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| 13:33.55 | extor | I just installed the gnome-osd package in the new lenny and it didn't seem to add the icon to the system/preferences menu like it used to do and it's not working too well either. The test works but the x-chat plugin doesnt seem to work |
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| 13:36.21 | phorsyon | Hi Folks! Please say "Yes!" to usability, vote for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120147 and have fun :-D |
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| 13:39.22 | shakaponk | hello guys. i'm a linux beginner. as i logged in to my vserver today my autocompletion to et lead to etags. how can i remove it? can't remember that i installed something similiar... |
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| 13:40.33 | Alex-KS02 | ñèðàíè vps.. |
| 13:40.35 | jelly | shakaponk: dpkg -S `which etags` will tell you which package the binary is a part of, remove it the usual way. |
| 13:40.42 | Alex-KS02 | sorry |
| 13:41.20 | shakaponk | jelly: dpkg: /usr/bin/etags not found. |
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| 13:41.39 | themill | jelly: etags is managed through alternatives so "which etags" isn't useful |
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| 13:42.00 | jelly | themill: I'll leave shakaponk in your expert hands, then |
| 13:42.07 | themill | no!! |
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| 13:42.18 | shakaponk | yeeeessss ;-) |
| 13:42.32 | jelly | eheheheee |
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| 13:43.20 | themill | shakaponk: because etags is managed by the alternatives system, you need to search for the package that contains the output of "readlink -f /usr/bin/etags" |
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| 13:44.33 | shakaponk | themill: could you be a little bit more exactly? i'm a noob :-\ |
| 13:44.53 | themill | what's the output of "readlink -f /usr/bin/etags"? |
| 13:45.20 | shakaponk | ... /usr/bin/etags.emacs21 |
| 13:45.37 | jelly | ponders dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which etags)) |
| 13:45.51 | themill | shakaponk: right, so you now need to find the package that has that binary: dpkg -S /usr/bin/etags.emacs21 |
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| 13:46.34 | shakaponk | themill: i understand :-) emacs21-bin-common: /usr/bin/etags.emacs21 |
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| 13:46.53 | jelly | It came... with Emacs!!1 |
| 13:47.19 | themill | shakaponk: sounds plausible. So now you can remove that emacs packag should you so desire. |
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| 13:47.54 | shakaponk | but that's strange, i've never installed that. could it be a referenced and necessary package? |
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| 13:48.34 | themill | It's an editor that frequently gets pulled in. |
| 13:48.59 | shakaponk | yes, that's why i'm wondering why could it be necessary |
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| 13:49.29 | shakaponk | themill: so i can remove it without having doubts |
| 13:50.33 | stew | shakaponk: try "aptitude why emacs21-bin-common" |
| 13:50.50 | shakaponk | yeah, just did it |
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| 13:51.15 | shakaponk | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/Eoniyq |
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| 13:53.38 | stew | shakaponk: what about "aptitude why emacs21-bin-common" ? |
| 13:54.09 | shakaponk | stew: Unknown command "why" aptitude 0.4.4...... |
| 13:54.19 | stew | ahh |
| 13:54.37 | stew | right, still on oldstable |
| 13:55.06 | shakaponk | any other ideas? i just would like to remove it... |
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| 13:55.51 | stew | shakaponk: then remove it. just pay attention to what gets removed with it |
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| 14:00.31 | shakaponk | ok, removed :-) i'll see if something is broken :-D thx for your help... ;-) |
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| 14:05.03 | ewet | hi, does aptitude work with pinning the same way like apt-get? |
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| 14:09.38 | flourish | when two users login a remote server, is it possible that one can see all the operate another one does? |
| 14:09.59 | petemc | flourish: not by default |
| 14:10.25 | flourish | petemc: you means it is possible? How can i do that |
| 14:10.57 | petemc | flourish: you can enable process accounting |
| 14:11.13 | petemc | or do you want to watch in real time? |
| 14:11.17 | jelly | process accounting doesn't even track command arguments |
| 14:11.30 | flourish | what's the different |
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| 14:12.15 | flourish | i think watch in real time will be better |
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| 14:13.54 | petemc | flourish: ttysnoop or get them to use screen |
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| 14:14.51 | flourish | petemc: ttysnoop: the real time way? |
| 14:15.10 | petemc | yz |
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| 14:17.18 | flourish | petemc: thanks very much, i will try to study process accounting and ttysnoop myself. See you |
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| 14:18.04 | Heebie-II | Hi. Has anyone seen physical interfaces "drop out" of bonding pairs by themselves? |
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| 14:18.39 | gordonjcp | hi |
| 14:18.54 | gordonjcp | do desktop versions of Debian require pulseaudio? |
| 14:19.06 | app4des | no |
| 14:19.10 | valdyn | gordonjcp: theres no desktop version of debian |
| 14:19.23 | wedge | there are desktop derivates :P |
| 14:19.27 | wedge | ubuntu for example |
| 14:19.31 | gordonjcp | valdyn: Debian with a desktop environment installed, if you're being pedantic then |
| 14:19.46 | ewet | does no one know this? |
| 14:19.54 | app4des | gordonjcp: only ALSA for the default desktop install |
| 14:19.55 | gordonjcp | wedge: yes, but the ubuntu-desktop metapackage requires pulseaudio |
| 14:20.09 | gordonjcp | app4des: good good, so it's goodbye Ubuntu then |
| 14:20.12 | valdyn | gordonjcp: debian does not set up sound in applications for you |
| 14:20.19 | valdyn | gordonjcp: ubuntu does |
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| 14:21.07 | valdyn | gordonjcp: so once you picked your sound system you get to configure each and every app to use that |
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| 14:21.22 | gordonjcp | valdyn: I only ever want it to use jack |
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| 14:21.40 | valdyn | gordonjcp: whats "it" ? most apps dont even talk jack |
| 14:21.52 | gordonjcp | valdyn: every linux audio app ;-) |
| 14:22.15 | gordonjcp | valdyn: ardour, soft synths, audacity - all of these use jack |
| 14:22.33 | valdyn | gordonjcp: yea, thats a special subset |
| 14:22.36 | gordonjcp | valdyn: under no circumstances should any other app make any sort of noise ;-) |
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| 14:23.35 | app4des | pulseaudio will be good when it actually becomes bug free |
| 14:23.53 | enouf | pulseaudio sucks ass |
| 14:23.59 | valdyn | gordonjcp: that should be easy, make jack use a hardware device directly ), in most soundcards that will block everything else |
| 14:24.05 | valdyn | pulseaudio rocks |
| 14:24.09 | valdyn | !start a sound daemon war |
| 14:24.13 | valdyn | gah |
| 14:24.15 | bbelt16ag | hi |
| 14:24.22 | amphi | enouf: jack FTW! ;) |
| 14:24.35 | valdyn | most people dont need jack |
| 14:24.58 | gordonjcp | valdyn: yup |
| 14:25.02 | enouf | we're not most people |
| 14:25.12 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.19 | gordonjcp | valdyn: I've never seen much of a use for pulseaudio |
| 14:25.35 | gordonjcp | I don't really know what it does, just that it makes my sound cards break |
| 14:25.45 | valdyn | gordonjcp: i can control volume for every app individuall in one interface |
| 14:25.56 | gordonjcp | that's nice |
| 14:25.57 | valdyn | gordonjcp: i dont know if jack can do that, pure alsa cant |
| 14:26.01 | gordonjcp | not sure why I'd do that |
| 14:26.11 | bbelt16ag | quit |
| 14:26.32 | valdyn | gordonjcp: and 2nd thing i really use alot is being able to redirect sound while its running |
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| 14:26.37 | enouf | mplayer doesn't even work right - pulseaudio magnifies the deficiencies |
| 14:26.39 | valdyn | gordonjcp: also cant do that with pure alsa |
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| 14:27.02 | valdyn | enouf: works perfectly fine here |
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| 14:27.42 | app4des | gordonjcp: if pulseaudio was stable and actually worked, it would be good, a subsystem to take all the different mess of linux audio outputs and unify them |
| 14:27.45 | valdyn | gordonjcp: but the apps i use with sound output share nothing with your apps |
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| 14:28.08 | valdyn | app4des: if he needs jack then pulseaudio will never be ok for him |
| 14:28.13 | valdyn | app4des: it doesnt even try |
| 14:28.30 | gordonjcp | app4des: it's too slow though |
| 14:28.53 | gordonjcp | valdyn: redirect sound? like, feed the output of one app into another? That's what jack is for... |
| 14:29.00 | valdyn | gordonjcp: no |
| 14:29.07 | valdyn | gordonjcp: switch output devices |
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| 14:29.16 | gordonjcp | valdyn: oh, okay |
| 14:29.29 | gordonjcp | I don't think you can do with with jack across cards |
| 14:29.38 | gordonjcp | you can do it across multiple channels within one card |
| 14:29.49 | valdyn | gordonjcp: say im watching a movie with headphones, someone comes over wants to hear, then ill just redirect to speakers |
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| 14:30.12 | gordonjcp | ie. I couldn't switch from my Delta 1010 to the onboard sound, but I could switch from channels 1 and 2 to channels 7 and 8 on the 1010 |
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| 14:30.18 | gordonjcp | valdyn: yeah |
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| 14:30.34 | app4des | valdyn: I will just switch on the speakers :P |
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| 14:31.03 | valdyn | app4des: that would be one way, but i dont have anything but these usb headphones |
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| 14:31.10 | jelly | would merely unmute the front speaker output |
| 14:31.17 | valdyn | app4des: which makes them an extra sound card |
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| 14:34.17 | app4des | whatever, both graphics and audio outputs are not in that good shape in linux. There needs to be some unification. |
| 14:34.39 | valdyn | having jack + pulseaudio is a necessity |
| 14:34.48 | valdyn | say the developers |
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| 14:35.05 | valdyn | cant have both, features of pulseaudio and extremely low latency |
| 14:35.14 | valdyn | but who knows, i dont |
| 14:35.21 | enouf | Audio in Linux reminds me of wimodems |
| 14:35.57 | enouf | eachone, a worse piece of shit than the last |
| 14:35.58 | valdyn | i do think i remember though that windows highend sound apps replace kernel parts |
| 14:36.01 | valdyn | just for low latency |
| 14:36.04 | valdyn | thats even more fucked up |
| 14:37.12 | enouf | gotta love that kde ph{e.o}nom .. whatever that fucked up piece of crap is called |
| 14:37.35 | app4des | guys is there any way to make gstreamer output to opengl (gl) like mplayer can? |
| 14:37.37 | valdyn | phonon? |
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| 14:37.51 | enouf | i guess |
| 14:38.19 | valdyn | app4des: you are aware that it is configured with gstreamer-properties? |
| 14:38.29 | valdyn | app4des: only xshm and xv there.. |
| 14:38.46 | valdyn | app4des: where xv = opengl kind of, in modern cards, even intel |
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| 14:39.12 | app4des | valdyn: there is no selection for opengl.. xv is not opengl, it is different output |
| 14:39.38 | valdyn | app4des: yea, i know, but modern xv implementations redirect it to the 3D engine |
| 14:39.53 | valdyn | app4des: nvidia does that, intel does that, i dont know about ati |
| 14:40.03 | app4des | valdyn: I know, but I need direct opengl output |
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| 14:40.38 | Xunie | Ok, mordy compiled and packaged twin 0.6.0 for himself last night, And he sent me the package too, And it pretty much works, But being a debian fan I'd like to see it in the repo... |
| 14:40.38 | valdyn | app4des: certainly not in debian, i dont know if elsewhere |
| 14:40.39 | app4des | valdyn: is there a gstreamer plugin for that? |
| 14:40.51 | Xunie | Its a Terminal Window manager :P |
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| 14:42.01 | valdyn | app4des: oh wait |
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| 14:42.29 | valdyn | app4des: im getting this message: gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'glimagesink' |
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| 14:43.36 | app4des | valdyn: yeah one of the plugins that it doesn't find is that |
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| 14:46.25 | asulao | Hi. Is it possible to install debian ia64 on a debian i386 installation, or does it have to go into a new partition by itself? |
| 14:46.42 | valdyn | asulao: not possible |
| 14:46.57 | Xunie | asulao, Ehm, It isn't possible to even run anything... |
| 14:47.04 | valdyn | asulao: and you dont want that, you just think ia64 was something you want |
| 14:47.06 | valdyn | !ia64 |
| 14:47.07 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 14:47.08 | petemc | asulao: you dont want ia64 |
| 14:47.15 | Xunie | asulao, If youn eed a file from such disk, Install it in qemu (if qemu supports x86_64 ofcourse :P) |
| 14:47.39 | asulao | it's for an intal dual core 2 |
| 14:47.46 | asulao | on a macbook pro actually |
| 14:47.51 | valdyn | app4des: its from gst-plugins-bad. but its not in the debian package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad |
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| 14:48.04 | amphi | asulao: amd64 for that, not ia64,which is for itanium |
| 14:48.05 | Xunie | petemc, What about a turion64 x2 ? |
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| 14:48.13 | Xunie | petemc, Turion TL-56 |
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| 14:48.47 | asulao | amphi, ok, then my question above where sed s/ia64/amd64/, is possible? |
| 14:49.36 | asulao | Hi. Is it possible to install debian amd64 on a debian i386 installation, or does it have to go into a new partition by itself? |
| 14:49.42 | asulao | that way :) |
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| 14:50.33 | asulao | I need to develop for both i386 and amd64, so I was wondering if I could have just one installation |
| 14:51.25 | app4des | asulao: I think that if you have only amd64 version you can develop for both |
| 14:51.40 | valdyn | asulao: amd64 installations can run i386 programs |
| 14:51.43 | app4des | asulao: but not the other way around |
| 14:51.48 | asulao | of course |
| 14:52.09 | asulao | hmm, actually I didn't want through all the pain again about getting to work debian on the mac |
| 14:52.32 | asulao | I supose it's a clean install what I have to do |
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| 14:53.46 | Thunderchild | hi guys. I'm checking aut the new 5.0 Lenny. |
| 14:53.53 | Thunderchild | Could you tell me (or direct me to a resource about) what the installer means with "Standard system" when it comes to installing packages? |
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| 14:54.15 | app4des | Thunderchild: it is tasksel |
| 14:54.38 | Thunderchild | yep, I've read about that when I did a quick search for the issue |
| 14:54.46 | Thunderchild | I'm just wondering what packages get installed |
| 14:54.52 | app4des | Thunderchild: install tasksel if you haven't, and look at its manual man tasksel |
| 14:55.18 | app4des | Thunderchild: there should be a command to show what it installed for each group (like the standard you want) |
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| 14:55.52 | Thunderchild | app4des: hmk... problem is there's no way to enter such a command or see other details in the installer. |
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| 14:56.12 | Thunderchild | blackbox at its best *g* |
| 14:56.23 | OxideZA | hey people |
| 14:56.35 | OxideZA | can you tell me what is a good linux that i can use as a server? |
| 14:56.43 | petemc | blackbox? isnt it busybox? |
| 14:56.46 | hoxu | OxideZA, debian |
| 14:56.49 | slackthumbz | debian |
| 14:56.52 | OxideZA | ok |
| 14:56.53 | OxideZA | thanks |
| 14:56.54 | OxideZA | im new to |
| 14:56.57 | OxideZA | linux |
| 14:57.00 | hoxu | !enter |
| 14:57.00 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:57.01 | OxideZA | can you give me dl link? |
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| 14:57.05 | OxideZA | !enter |
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| 14:57.19 | slackthumbz | OxideZA: http://www.debian.org |
| 14:57.34 | rpaulson | how can I see which build flags have been used on a package in the debian repository? |
| 14:57.40 | OxideZA | thanks |
| 14:57.41 | OxideZA | so much |
| 14:57.42 | OxideZA | :) |
| 14:57.43 | OxideZA | thanks |
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| 14:57.45 | valdyn | Thunderchild: you can install anything later and you can run tasksel later |
| 14:57.47 | Thunderchild | petemc: I was referring to the blackbox principle - just an interface which hides the insides |
| 14:57.49 | slackthumbz | lol |
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| 14:57.53 | OxideZA | ok sorry |
| 14:57.55 | hoxu | !tell OxideZA about enter |
| 14:57.56 | valdyn | Thunderchild: so just unselect everything |
| 14:58.01 | OxideZA | im new |
| 14:58.02 | azeem | rpaulson: sometimes packages have a /usr/share/doc/<package>/buildinfo I think |
| 14:58.04 | petemc | Thunderchild: you can get a (busybox) shell in the installer |
| 14:58.05 | OxideZA | !enter |
| 14:58.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:58.18 | rpaulson | azeem: I'll check,thanks |
| 14:58.20 | azeem | rpaulson: otherwise, you'll have to inspect the build log on buildd.debian.org or inspect the source |
| 14:58.31 | azeem | rpaulson: it's not standardized and few packages use dh-buildinfo |
| 14:58.38 | OxideZA | thanks alot :) |
| 14:58.39 | app4des | Thunderchild: you are right the standard system isn't included in tasksel |
| 14:59.08 | app4des | Thunderchild: you can see the other packages, but no for Standard |
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| 15:00.07 | OxideZA | can someone help me set it up? |
| 15:00.11 | valdyn | Thunderchild: if you select nothing you just get the required packages |
| 15:00.12 | Thunderchild | so "Desktop environment", "mail server", "laptop" are coded into tasksel? Not just something that makes the installer tell tasksel what to install |
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| 15:00.25 | phorsyon | anyone minds to vote for this? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120147 |
| 15:00.27 | Heebie-II | Has anyone heard of serious issues on amd64 architecture, 2.6.18-6 kernel, with Marvell gig-E nics using the sky2.ko driver and bonding? |
| 15:00.33 | valdyn | Thunderchild: tasksel is not an installer |
| 15:00.45 | Thunderchild | valdyn: yes, I figured that |
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| 15:01.02 | Thunderchild | It's just called by the installer |
| 15:01.03 | valdyn | Thunderchild: its a tool for beginners |
| 15:01.13 | valdyn | Thunderchild: you dont need to use it |
| 15:01.44 | Thunderchild | ok |
| 15:01.59 | Thunderchild | I'm from Gentoo and thus don't know that much about debian :-P |
| 15:02.21 | Thunderchild | my goal is a minimal, but good functioning setup for a Linux-Newb so he has fun without having to dig into details. |
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| 15:02.29 | valdyn | Thunderchild: i doubt anyone who is familiar with debian uses tasksel |
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| 15:02.51 | valdyn | Thunderchild: unselect everything in tasksel, install what you want later |
| 15:02.52 | app4des | Thunderchild: It is useful if you want to complete a desktop install and you had only first cd of debian (the 1st doesn't have the whole desktop packages) |
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| 15:03.24 | Thunderchild | and also, I'm fine with installing using apt afterwards. |
| 15:03.28 | Thunderchild | For that I just needed to know what packages are behind those checkmarks. |
| 15:03.32 | valdyn | Thunderchild: oh, the desktop task will be ok for a newbie |
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| 15:03.54 | Thunderchild | in case I can't figure out like "why did it run before when I used that installer procedure and not now" |
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| 15:04.06 | Silicium | hi there, i have a Problem while creating own usplash, so, i have created a 16colored indexed png 640x400 and converted into c-code, then i compiled it with gcc into a shared library like some differend tutorials. but it doensnt display while booting - any ideas? |
| 15:04.11 | Silicium | is it a LiveCD |
| 15:04.12 | Thunderchild | yeah, but it's awfully bloated with toys and other things |
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| 15:04.23 | valdyn | Thunderchild: thats silly, dont use tasksel, install softwrae later, but the newbie installed by itself he should pick the desktop task |
| 15:04.25 | Thunderchild | like those many KDE games and children edutainment |
| 15:04.44 | valdyn | Thunderchild: that newbie probably has 200GB harddisk, and a bloated debian install takes 5G |
| 15:04.58 | Thunderchild | I install the desktop option into a VM |
| 15:05.03 | Thunderchild | which is 4GB max *g* |
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| 15:05.56 | valdyn | Heebie-II: if you want an answer to that question, the use google |
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| 15:06.32 | app4des | Thunderchild: it is not worth doing careful selection for desktop installation... they extra stuff need 200-300mb or something |
| 15:07.01 | Thunderchild | but it bloats the menu and I'm an order extremist when it comes to that :-D |
| 15:07.15 | valdyn | my toy vms are 20G+, why would you force his vm into 4G? |
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| 15:08.17 | Thunderchild | valdyn: because I run a dual boot on a 120GB laptop with a 12GB system and 30/40GB data partition each |
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| 15:08.46 | Thunderchild | Windows has 12/30 and Gentoo 16/40 GB for system/data |
| 15:08.55 | Thunderchild | there's not much space for VMs left |
| 15:09.46 | Heebie-II | valdyn: Google hasn't given me any answers that are at all relevant.. it returns mostly reviews of James Bond films. |
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| 15:10.42 | valdyn | !fgi Heebie-II linux channel bonding sky2.ko |
| 15:10.42 | dpkg | Heebie-II: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=linux channel bonding sky2.ko |
| 15:10.50 | valdyn | !fgi Heebie-II linux+channel+bonding+sky2.ko |
| 15:10.50 | dpkg | Heebie-II: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=linux+channel+bonding+sky2.ko |
| 15:10.51 | valdyn | ops |
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| 15:11.18 | SPF | well, hdds aren't very expensive lately |
| 15:11.35 | valdyn | Heebie-II: no bond there, but youd need to add your issue to that search |
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| 15:12.44 | hedin | how do i mount a usb cdrom drive? i have tryed to load sr_mod but it doesn't help... |
| 15:12.47 | valdyn | Heebie-II: why 2.6.18? you are forced to use etch? |
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| 15:13.25 | valdyn | hedin: same way as you mount any cdrom |
| 15:13.40 | gynterk | hey, is it possible to measure power consumption of laptop on AC power (etch) |
| 15:13.43 | valdyn | hedin: mount /dev/cdrom /path/to/blah |
| 15:13.48 | gynterk | afaik powertop shows only on battery power |
| 15:13.55 | gynterk | at least for me |
| 15:13.58 | valdyn | gynterk: not possible i think |
| 15:14.03 | Thunderchild | gynterk: /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state |
| 15:14.09 | Thunderchild | or /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info or something |
| 15:14.12 | valdyn | gynterk: powertop just reads the battery state |
| 15:14.25 | Thunderchild | I see (re)charge rate as well |
| 15:14.28 | hedin | valdyn, /dev/cd* doesn't exist and it isn't on sd either |
| 15:14.32 | valdyn | gynterk: also, whats the point? |
| 15:14.40 | hedin | or scd* for that matter |
| 15:14.44 | valdyn | hedin: does lsusb show the cdrom drive? |
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| 15:15.06 | gynterk | just wanna know how much kW/h my laptop takes |
| 15:15.09 | OxideZA | is there a deskptop version? |
| 15:15.12 | OxideZA | for debian |
| 15:15.12 | OxideZA | ? |
| 15:15.24 | gynterk | there is a debian version of debian |
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| 15:15.29 | OxideZA | whats that? |
| 15:15.36 | gynterk | that is debian |
| 15:15.52 | valdyn | gynterk: the psu takes energy too |
| 15:16.04 | app4des | OxideZA: what desktop environent do you need |
| 15:16.08 | valdyn | gynterk: so you would need an amperemeter between psu and power outlet |
| 15:16.16 | alcohol | OxideZA: debian does not really care about what 'kind' of system you run it on. As long as the architecture matches? |
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| 15:16.27 | hyo | hei |
| 15:16.34 | OxideZA | [17:16] <app4des> OxideZA: what desktop environent do you need |
| 15:16.36 | OxideZA | um |
| 15:16.42 | hyo | I hope there's someone that can help me.. |
| 15:16.48 | OxideZA | im looking for a stable linux that i can use not doing it in dos |
| 15:16.54 | hyo | I have a crazy problem with apt-get system |
| 15:17.05 | dareth | me too hyo, you try #psychiatrist yet? |
| 15:17.09 | valdyn | OxideZA: you want a clickety linux? |
| 15:17.14 | valdyn | OxideZA: on a server? |
| 15:17.18 | hyo | dareth: funny |
| 15:17.18 | OxideZA | whats that/ |
| 15:17.30 | dareth | what is the problem hyo? |
| 15:17.42 | valdyn | OxideZA: nicely colorful pictures where you click with mouse |
| 15:17.48 | OxideZA | haha |
| 15:17.48 | OxideZA | yes |
| 15:17.49 | valdyn | OxideZA: on a SERVER? |
| 15:17.49 | OxideZA | :) |
| 15:17.49 | OxideZA | i fail |
| 15:17.53 | OxideZA | no |
| 15:17.55 | OxideZA | just to install |
| 15:17.56 | hyo | but what do you do when you install a package and the apt-get system sais that is not completely installed and is impossible to remove |
| 15:18.01 | OxideZA | i dont know how to use debian |
| 15:18.12 | dareth | hyo try apt-get install -f |
| 15:18.14 | dareth | no package name |
| 15:18.17 | hyo | i tried with dpkg -i --force-all |
| 15:18.19 | valdyn | OxideZA: so the debian installer is not colorful enough? |
| 15:18.19 | dareth | might fix it for you. |
| 15:18.29 | valdyn | OxideZA: the graphical installer is not any nicer to use |
| 15:18.29 | hyo | the package is nagios-mysql |
| 15:18.35 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:18.41 | OxideZA | http://www.debian.org/ |
| 15:18.44 | OxideZA | what must i download? |
| 15:18.47 | OxideZA | plz help |
| 15:18.50 | app4des | OxideZA: download cd1 and cd2 (or the dvd), it will install a desktop by default |
| 15:18.51 | arezey | !plz |
| 15:18.52 | dpkg | i guess plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it If you say 'plz' because it's shorter than 'please', I'll say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'. |
| 15:18.53 | valdyn | OxideZA: you click on the link "getting debian" |
| 15:19.19 | OxideZA | download cd1 and cd2 |
| 15:19.23 | arezey | loves dpkg's comments |
| 15:19.34 | arezey | ye only needs cd1 |
| 15:19.36 | arezey | or the netinstall |
| 15:19.41 | dareth | if you have a good internet connection, can download the net-install cd image instead. |
| 15:19.42 | dareth | smaller |
| 15:20.25 | app4des | it is the same thing. I suggest getting 2 first cds |
| 15:20.27 | OxideZA | no |
| 15:20.32 | OxideZA | i have a kak con |
| 15:20.39 | OxideZA | 384 |
| 15:20.44 | OxideZA | valdyn |
| 15:20.51 | alcohol | I did a net install |
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| 15:20.56 | alcohol | Only had to download like 90mb |
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| 15:21.03 | OxideZA | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 released ? |
| 15:21.08 | OxideZA | alcohol is it easy to use |
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| 15:21.09 | alcohol | But didn't install X, just terminal stuff. |
| 15:21.09 | OxideZA | ? |
| 15:21.15 | alcohol | Yes very. |
| 15:21.18 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:21.22 | jelly | OxideZA: no server installation is "Easy to use" |
| 15:21.22 | alcohol | Netinstall cd was a breeze. |
| 15:21.23 | OxideZA | wheres the download link? |
| 15:21.25 | arezey | oxideza, but you need a good connection for netinstall |
| 15:21.30 | OxideZA | ok |
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| 15:21.31 | dareth | Lenny is new stable. |
| 15:21.31 | OxideZA | i dont have 1 |
| 15:21.33 | OxideZA | im new |
| 15:21.34 | OxideZA | i want to learn |
| 15:21.36 | alcohol | jelly: I beg to differ. Installing lenny was easy as pie. |
| 15:21.49 | OxideZA | alcohol what must i get? |
| 15:21.54 | dareth | I am dist-upgrading an etch box now, and got a VM with lenny about to install |
| 15:21.58 | valdyn | installing line should be as hard as hitting the enter key is.. |
| 15:21.59 | alcohol | OxideZA: what do you mean? |
| 15:22.00 | eightyeight | i can send mail from every box on the lan, except one. no firewall in place. routing table is exactly the same on the other boxes. dns resolves mx records fine, but mail.log is showing that connecting to the remote smtp is timing out. any ideas? |
| 15:22.03 | arezey | oxideza, btw the newline is not a punctuation mark |
| 15:22.06 | jelly | alcohol: ok, no server OS is easy to use, then |
| 15:22.08 | valdyn | installing *lenny* should be as hard as hitting the enter key is.. |
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| 15:22.19 | Thunderchild | whoopdiedoo... I found tasksel in my VM and what packages are in the laptop-task. But it deesn't know such a thing as "base system" |
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| 15:22.33 | Thunderchild | valdyn: I've installed it about 6 or 7 times since yesterday ^^ |
| 15:22.35 | OxideZA | ... |
| 15:22.41 | valdyn | Thunderchild: you cant install debian without installing a base system |
| 15:22.41 | alcohol | jelly: Lenny is pretty easy to manage. Sure, you have to learn some basics. But same applies for riding a bicycle. |
| 15:22.54 | OxideZA | alcohol what did u download? |
| 15:22.57 | valdyn | Thunderchild: because debian is not usable without the base system obviously |
| 15:22.58 | alcohol | netinstall image |
| 15:23.01 | OxideZA | give me that 80meg download |
| 15:23.04 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:23.09 | eightyeight | i would like to set this up as an external smtp as well, but i can't send out mail from it. i also cannot receive mail. i believe they might be related |
| 15:23.09 | Thunderchild | valdyn: I meant standard-something. sorry, the screen is already past |
| 15:23.13 | Heebie-II | valdyn: Thank you for pointing me at that stuff. Yes.. that system was put in before lenny was released.. so it was on Etch. |
| 15:23.13 | valdyn | Thunderchild: so sure you dont need and cannot select it |
| 15:23.15 | eightyeight | any help would be appreciateeeeeed |
| 15:23.17 | arezey | oxideza, if you get the netinstall image you need to download a lot of packages while installing |
| 15:23.20 | dareth | jelly find a local lug, offer beer/pizza/appropriate food/beverage to someone to get you started. |
| 15:23.21 | OxideZA | is this easier than ubuntu? |
| 15:23.23 | dareth | might even make a friend. |
| 15:23.26 | jelly | alcohol: if "pretty easy" means "6-12 months experience", then I'd agree. |
| 15:23.26 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:23.28 | OxideZA | then i cant do that |
| 15:23.29 | arezey | oxideza, debian isn't comparable to ubuntu |
| 15:23.33 | Thunderchild | valdyn: yes, I noticed before that I say "base" and meant "standard" |
| 15:23.41 | OxideZA | arezey, ok |
| 15:23.45 | eightyeight | this is a debian 5.0 box. fresh install in fact |
| 15:23.46 | OxideZA | show me what to download please |
| 15:23.47 | arezey | at least i don't think it is |
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| 15:23.55 | OxideZA | i just want a stable system for my server |
| 15:23.56 | arezey | well i suggest getting the cd1 and cd2 images |
| 15:23.59 | dareth | Ubuntu is like Debian, if you change you apt-get repositories and do a dist-upgrade. |
| 15:23.59 | alcohol | jelly: Meh, I had no experience when I started playing with out servers. You'd be surprised what google and irc can teach you in only a few days. |
| 15:24.05 | alcohol | s/out/our/ |
| 15:24.14 | OxideZA | how big each image? |
| 15:24.16 | OxideZA | 700meg? |
| 15:24.17 | jelly | dareth: I'm not complaining, jsut stating a fact. |
| 15:24.19 | arezey | ~700mb |
| 15:24.21 | pbn | Hi, how can I tell mdir to do a MS-DOS-like dir on /dev/sdc1 and not on /dev/fd0 ? There's nothing on that in the manpage.... |
| 15:24.21 | OxideZA | omw |
| 15:24.24 | arezey | but you need nothing else afterwards |
| 15:24.27 | OxideZA | will take me 4days |
| 15:24.28 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:24.34 | OxideZA | then whats the install like? |
| 15:24.40 | OxideZA | in dos? |
| 15:24.43 | alcohol | OxideZA: I still suggest netinstall. Unless you also want gnome or kde. |
| 15:24.43 | valdyn | pbn: WHAT? |
| 15:24.48 | arezey | traditionally a cli, but i heard there is a livecd these days |
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| 15:24.53 | OxideZA | i dont know what that is dude |
| 15:24.57 | OxideZA | want gnome or kde. |
| 15:24.58 | OxideZA | ??? |
| 15:25.00 | OxideZA | im clueless |
| 15:25.09 | dareth | knoppix is a nice debian based livecd |
| 15:25.15 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:25.15 | OxideZA | well |
| 15:25.16 | alcohol | OxideZA: maybe you should stick to windows.. or try out osx before you go barebone :< |
| 15:25.19 | eightyeight | it's driving me nuts. i see no reason why this can't send out mail. i'm testing with telnet and echo piped to mail |
| 15:25.20 | pbn | valdyn: well I'd like to use mdir on /dev/sdc1 and not on /dev/fd0 |
| 15:25.23 | dareth | looks damn sweet on modern hardware with good graphics. |
| 15:25.27 | OxideZA | im over winodws |
| 15:25.32 | alcohol | lol |
| 15:25.33 | OxideZA | not stable |
| 15:25.33 | jelly | alcohol: the three of us seniors have been teaching a couple newbie admins for more than a year, where I work, and we pretty much still don't trust them for anything overly complex |
| 15:25.34 | OxideZA | enought |
| 15:25.36 | OxideZA | enoug* |
| 15:25.41 | alcohol | No offense |
| 15:25.47 | alcohol | but my xp install is solid as a rock :< |
| 15:25.54 | OxideZA | mines not |
| 15:25.54 | valdyn | pbn: thats a sick idea |
| 15:25.57 | alcohol | Stability is moreso a user influence |
| 15:26.02 | OxideZA | what firewall |
| 15:26.04 | OxideZA | and that do u use? |
| 15:26.06 | valdyn | pbn: whats wrong with mounting the partition? |
| 15:26.10 | alcohol | I do not use a firewall |
| 15:26.12 | dareth | and if you tie a rope to an XP computer, it makes a fair descent anchor too. |
| 15:26.14 | dareth | what is your point? |
| 15:26.17 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:26.17 | Thunderchild | stability is a derivative of security when it comes to windows |
| 15:26.18 | pbn | valdyn: yeah, it might be :).... |
| 15:26.23 | OxideZA | can you ping me? |
| 15:26.38 | valdyn | pbn: mdir needs root unless you access floppies, then you just need to be in the floppy group |
| 15:26.43 | alcohol | jelly: Well, I guess I've only done basic stuff. httpd, database, some bash scripting for projects. Haven't touched mailserver or bouncer yet. |
| 15:26.49 | valdyn | pbn: and being root is to be avoided |
| 15:27.00 | pbn | valdyn: nothing wrong with mounting the partition, I'd just would like to make sure what volume name and what serial number a MS-DOS or Windows machine would see for that filesystem... |
| 15:27.00 | gza | I'm getting .htaccess options not allowed here and a 500 error; I've changed all references to AllowOverride to All in /etc/apache2/*....any ideas what's still preventing an .htaccess file from being used? |
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| 15:27.10 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:27.17 | OxideZA | so isnt there any system i can use? |
| 15:27.18 | jelly | alcohol: that level of knowledge doesn't come off as "really easy" either |
| 15:27.22 | OxideZA | other than windows? |
| 15:27.35 | app4des | OxideZA: what do you need the server for |
| 15:27.40 | valdyn | pbn: you can use the blkid tool |
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| 15:27.43 | OxideZA | hosting |
| 15:27.45 | dareth | oxide download knoppix iso, burn image to CD, boot off Cd. |
| 15:27.47 | OxideZA | stablity |
| 15:27.53 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:27.56 | app4des | OxideZA: hosting what |
| 15:27.57 | OxideZA | can u get me the link? |
| 15:28.01 | arezey | dareth, he needs a server, not a rescue cd |
| 15:28.02 | dareth | if you can't do that, go buy and etch a sketch and practice for a few years... then try again. |
| 15:28.05 | OxideZA | using xxammp |
| 15:28.07 | OxideZA | apache |
| 15:28.10 | alcohol | jelly: well, what I meant was.. it's easy to learn. The curve is not very steep. I simply don't have the time to dive into more stuff though (nor is there any need, everything else is running fine already). |
| 15:28.13 | dareth | it is to get him some skills quickly.. |
| 15:28.17 | hedin | valdyn, hmm... no it finds a cypress semiconductor corp. TetraHub and the dell keyboard...S: |
| 15:28.19 | hedin | :S |
| 15:28.22 | JBzh | Lenny installed ok, no problems, even no questions that I couldn't answer by reading the docs, very nice as usual with Debian :) Just one thing : in expert mode I tough I would chose the .deb installed individualy, but I might have miss an option. |
| 15:28.24 | dareth | other suggestions would be to get Vmware server, and some prebuilt VM's |
| 15:28.34 | hedin | it's an dell PE T300 |
| 15:28.37 | arezey | dareth, to be honest i don't think a single-time knoppix session would do for him :) |
| 15:28.39 | OxideZA | knoppix iso must i download that? |
| 15:28.56 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:29.00 | dareth | it is a live cd, you boot from it, and it starts a Linux desktop |
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| 15:29.07 | dareth | for learning, rescue work,,, not running a server. |
| 15:29.11 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:29.16 | OxideZA | must i google it? |
| 15:29.24 | dareth | yes, do your homework. |
| 15:29.33 | gordonjcp | anybody here know about nozomi drivers? |
| 15:29.36 | OxideZA | k |
| 15:29.36 | OxideZA | awe |
| 15:29.37 | OxideZA | :P |
| 15:29.38 | OxideZA | thamls |
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| 15:29.52 | alcohol | OxideZA: a live cd allows you to run linux without installing it on your computer. it's a great way to simply get to know it. |
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| 15:30.00 | OxideZA | ok awesome |
| 15:30.01 | gordonjcp | can someone take a look at this ?http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg582634.html |
| 15:30.02 | OxideZA | ill do that now |
| 15:30.03 | OxideZA | :D |
| 15:30.06 | OxideZA | brb |
| 15:30.07 | alcohol | so you don't have to uninstall your windows just yet ;) |
| 15:30.11 | OxideZA | :) |
| 15:30.16 | OxideZA | thanks guys <3 |
| 15:30.22 | gordonjcp | and tell me what I'm supposed to do to get nozomi working? |
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| 15:30.26 | narhen | Lenny freezes when I insert a cd or dvd in the cdrom. What can I do to fix it? |
| 15:30.34 | hyo | I solved |
| 15:30.35 | OxideZA | http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html |
| 15:30.35 | OxideZA | ? |
| 15:30.43 | abrotman | OxideZA: please go to #knoppix for help with knoppix |
| 15:30.44 | alcohol | yes |
| 15:30.48 | abrotman | alcohol: go with him |
| 15:31.03 | alcohol | no way |
| 15:31.04 | alcohol | :< |
| 15:31.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:31.10 | alcohol | no way. |
| 15:31.18 | alcohol | see, I added a period! |
| 15:31.29 | OxideZA | omw |
| 15:31.37 | OxideZA | how do i know which dowload to take |
| 15:31.38 | OxideZA | :( |
| 15:31.41 | abrotman | first, debian has its own liveCD .. second, knoppix support is in #knoppix |
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| 15:32.08 | OpenTokix | <3 lvm |
| 15:32.11 | alcohol | I never said he should get knoppix |
| 15:32.12 | alcohol | :P |
| 15:32.14 | gordonjcp | hmm |
| 15:32.19 | OxideZA | omw |
| 15:32.21 | OxideZA | then let me get |
| 15:32.23 | OxideZA | debian |
| 15:32.23 | gordonjcp | maybe I should switch to Edgy |
| 15:32.25 | alcohol | I just said any live cd will do |
| 15:32.25 | OxideZA | live CD download? |
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| 15:32.35 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 15:32.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.Debian may one day have its own LiveCD: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on irc.oftc.net, or http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
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| 15:32.56 | arezey | "Debian may one day have its own LiveCD" that should be changed.. |
| 15:32.57 | Heebie-II | OK.. now that I have exhausted google searches AGAIN, like I had done BEFORE I asked this the first time and was directed to "fuckinggoogleit.com" by dpkg, Has anyone heard of serious issues on amd64 architecture, 2.6.18-6 kernel, with Marvell gig-E nics using the sky2.ko driver and bonding? I'm getting various error messages, that NIC is "disappearing" (it is being ifenslave -d'd and the kernel module unloaded by some mysterious force.) and/or it's causing ke |
| 15:33.11 | danners | what would bethe best way if i wanted to remove all install -dev packages from my system? |
| 15:33.52 | alcohol | OxideZA: what kind of architecture do you have? (cpu?) |
| 15:34.17 | OxideZA | the server |
| 15:34.18 | OxideZA | um |
| 15:34.18 | OxideZA | wait |
| 15:35.03 | OxideZA | well spare box, Pentium(R) 4 CPUT 3.42GHz - 2.00 GB of RAM |
| 15:35.07 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: Why not just upgrade? |
| 15:35.21 | alcohol | i386, anyone care to correct me if I am wrong? |
| 15:35.30 | abrotman | OxideZA: get the i386 liveCD |
| 15:35.35 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:35.38 | alcohol | OxideZA: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/ |
| 15:35.39 | OxideZA | is this the right site |
| 15:35.39 | OxideZA | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ |
| 15:35.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:35.45 | OxideZA | ta |
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| 15:36.55 | OxideZA | ebian-live-500-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 15:36.56 | OxideZA | that? |
| 15:37.11 | OpenTokix | ebian! |
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| 15:37.19 | alcohol | OxideZA: sure |
| 15:37.20 | OpenTokix | OxideZA: yes |
| 15:37.24 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:37.28 | OxideZA | omg |
| 15:37.29 | OxideZA | 600meg |
| 15:37.33 | OxideZA | isnt there a smaller download |
| 15:37.35 | alcohol | no |
| 15:37.38 | OxideZA | ok |
| 15:37.39 | OpenTokix | OxideZA: not for a live cd |
| 15:37.40 | OxideZA | downloading |
| 15:37.40 | OxideZA | :) |
| 15:37.45 | OpenTokix | 600M is nothing =) |
| 15:37.46 | Heebie-II | OpenTokix: Having to reconfigure things like teaming, and recompile several server modules etc.. The less downtime on an individual system the better, and there are 1/2 dozen involved. |
| 15:37.53 | dareth | it is amazing what they can cram in just 600 meg. |
| 15:37.58 | trifler | I want to try lua out on my webserver what would you say is the easiest of the options avilable on this page for someone like me who never has build anything from source (and to be honest is kinda afraid to do it) http://www.keplerproject.org/kepler/install.unix.apache2.html |
| 15:38.05 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: ok, sounds like a pain yes |
| 15:38.12 | OxideZA | lol |
| 15:38.13 | OxideZA | i swear |
| 15:38.15 | OxideZA | it will take me |
| 15:38.19 | OxideZA | 17 hours to download that |
| 15:38.20 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: Time to get a more linux-friendly server |
| 15:38.23 | OxideZA | 40kbps |
| 15:38.36 | alcohol | trifler: mod_lua |
| 15:38.37 | OxideZA | thanks so much guys :) |
| 15:38.37 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: anyway, I have seen the problems - and new nic-drivers usually work - if, if its not hw-issues. |
| 15:38.40 | OxideZA | appreciated |
| 15:38.41 | dareth | you insensitive clod, I only get 5kps at home... |
| 15:38.48 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: This is a server in production, yes? |
| 15:38.49 | OxideZA | hahah |
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| 15:38.58 | alcohol | 20mbit @ home |
| 15:38.58 | alcohol | :< |
| 15:39.03 | OpenTokix | 100Mbit@home |
| 15:39.07 | OpenTokix | e-penix |
| 15:39.08 | OxideZA | alcohol |
| 15:39.11 | OxideZA | are you in sa? |
| 15:39.13 | Heebie-II | OpenTokix: It's Intel hardware.. just not really new hardware. Yes.. it's in production and has randomly decided to be a PITA. |
| 15:39.19 | alcohol | they only have 120mbit in amsterdam currently. |
| 15:39.19 | alcohol | :< |
| 15:39.23 | trifler | alcohol: I'm unsure of what it is that I need in order to get that module. I can't find it in aptitude. Is the module in itself avail.? |
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| 15:39.37 | arezey | has 100kbps and is fine with that |
| 15:39.45 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: ok, sounds like it might be hw-issues - since the errors come and go - I had the same problem a while back - it was working, then not - back and forth - it was the motherboard. |
| 15:40.00 | OpenTokix | 100/100 with static ip at home =) |
| 15:40.37 | arezey | dynamic ip here :( |
| 15:40.43 | OxideZA | nice |
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| 15:40.54 | OpenTokix | and also 60 other ips on 1000/1000 at co-los =) |
| 15:40.56 | OpenTokix | mmm |
| 15:41.19 | OxideZA | bbl oaks |
| 15:41.19 | OxideZA | :P |
| 15:41.21 | OxideZA | thanks |
| 15:41.26 | Heebie-II | OpenTokix: Well, this does seem to be related to the particular NIC's, and it's consistent across 7 servers. (Identical hardware running Gentoo has no issues...which is what makes me think of the driver.) |
| 15:41.27 | OxideZA | once the download has finiished |
| 15:41.29 | OxideZA | im back here |
| 15:41.48 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: sounds plausible yes, is it the same version of the driver? |
| 15:41.55 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: and also, stop with the compiling of this |
| 15:41.57 | OpenTokix | shit |
| 15:41.58 | alcohol | I also get tv over my 20mbit line. so when tv is on I only have like 10mbit left =[ |
| 15:42.28 | jelly | Heebie-II: so steal the gentoo kernel! |
| 15:42.44 | Heebie-II | OpenTokix: The O/S deployments are identical on all 7. (some however, have apache, some mysql, and some are just filers... and the behaviour is consistent.) |
| 15:43.06 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: same kernel-version on the gentoo-boxes? |
| 15:43.10 | Heebie-II | jelly: As policy, we don't go outside a distro's package management system unless we absolutely have to. |
| 15:43.25 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: And still you use gentoo? Thats a good one = |
| 15:43.26 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 15:43.26 | jelly | Heebie-II: a sane policy. |
| 15:43.30 | Heebie-II | OpenTokix: Anywhere from 2.6.22 - 2.6.27 |
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| 15:43.50 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: But you said it's intel hw, but not intel-nics? |
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| 15:44.45 | Heebie-II | OpenTokix: Intel has made NIC, especially on-board NIC's on their motherboards, that are actually Marvell chipsets & tranceivers instead of their own... I've never figured out why... maybe a holdover from when they had the e100's out, and Marvell had the only cheap gig-e on the market that was decent? |
| 15:45.03 | OpenTokix | Heebie-II: maybe yeha |
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| 15:45.37 | danners | what would bethe best way if i wanted to remove all install -dev packages from my system? |
| 15:45.39 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 15:46.44 | app4des | danners: do a search for "-dev" with aptitude or synaptic? and remove all of them? |
| 15:46.59 | bzed | danners: dpkg -P `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l *-dev | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'` |
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| 15:47.21 | Thunderchild | OK, I installed only a minimal base system and kdesktop/kdm afterwards via apt. But I can't login to KDE - it's just a black screen and back to kdm. Is that a known issue? |
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| 15:47.49 | arezey | thunderchild, just kdesktop? you need kdebase |
| 15:47.49 | OxideZA | yo guys :) |
| 15:47.50 | Heebie-II | danners: the first thing you wnat to do is analyse requriements.. you might (read: probably) have packages that require some of the -dev packages on your system. |
| 15:47.57 | OxideZA | 3% downloading |
| 15:48.32 | Thunderchild | arezey: will do, thanks |
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| 15:48.38 | bzed | Heebie-II: dpkg and/or apt-get will whine then |
| 15:48.42 | Fox_1_ | people in my server I have 3 interfaces: 1-st and 2 internet, 3-rd local. My users connected to local interface. Can I balance load between 1-st and 2 interfaces? |
| 15:48.47 | Thunderchild | already wondered why I had to install kdm separately *g* |
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| 15:49.01 | arezey | thunderchild, the kde package contains rest of the stuff |
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| 15:49.45 | Thunderchild | yep, but I want a minimal KDE |
| 15:49.45 | arezey | then use kdebase |
| 15:49.45 | Thunderchild | and install the rest as needed |
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| 15:49.45 | arezey | that's what i'm doing too :> |
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| 15:49.45 | arisv | any wifi manager to suggest? apart from nm-applet |
| 15:49.54 | Thunderchild | coming from Gentoo it's quite nice to see KDE install within a minute =) |
| 15:50.08 | batcoder-7 | Why are some of the packages not downloading and getting 404's yet others work just fine? |
| 15:50.11 | Heebie-II | OpenTokix: Thanks for your opinion on my issue :) have a good one! |
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| 15:50.19 | Mike0x0 | Does pidgin (in Lenny) come with support for Jabber? I don't see it in the protocols list. |
| 15:50.21 | arezey | batcoder-7, try apt-get update |
| 15:50.43 | app4des | batcoder-7: and if apt-get update doesn't work, try changing mirror server |
| 15:50.52 | Burps | I have a VERY important question.... how can I correct fortune so that I don"t have this error anymore : fortune:/usr/share/games/fortunes not a fortune file or directory |
| 15:51.03 | Burps | just have fortune-fr installed |
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| 15:51.41 | arezey | burps, apt-get install fortunes? |
| 15:51.47 | la_boheme | Burps: install fortunes or fortunes-min |
| 15:51.56 | app4des | Mike0x0: I think Jabber has been renamed to XMPP |
| 15:52.09 | arezey | app4des, it has? |
| 15:52.56 | app4des | arezey: Yes I think it moved to XMPP some time ago |
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| 15:53.42 | OpenTokix | hedin: gl |
| 15:53.48 | OpenTokix | hedin: sory, wrong tab |
| 15:53.55 | hedin | okay |
| 15:53.57 | arezey | app4des, interesting. |
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| 15:54.13 | tomodachi | yes its called xmpp nowdays |
| 15:54.15 | batcoder-7 | app4des, dumb of me for sure, thanks |
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| 15:54.25 | arezey | right-o |
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| 15:55.08 | dareth | Is it wrong to have a Debian Lenny box named Sarge? |
| 15:55.30 | arezey | hrh |
| 15:55.32 | arezey | heh * |
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| 15:55.42 | silenc_e | hi |
| 15:55.58 | trifler | Im trying to get lua to work on my webserver (apache2) I've downloaded the src from here (http://luaforge.net/frs/?group_id=104) and now I want to build it. I'm following this guide (http://www.keplerproject.org/kepler/install.unix.html) but I get stuck at the first point. "./configure --help" doesn't exist. Anyone who is willing to help me out? |
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| 15:56.17 | silenc_e | i'm burning dvd with a genisoimage/wodim. how do i set label for that dvd? |
| 15:56.30 | Eulex | !wayc trifler |
| 15:56.30 | dpkg | trifler: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
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| 15:56.53 | trifler | Eulex: I can't fint lua on aptitude :S |
| 15:57.22 | arezey | did one command and found lua easily |
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| 15:58.53 | Eulex | trifler, then you didn't look far enough. it is there. try apt-cache search lua --names-only |
| 15:59.21 | trifler | arezey: It's no lua itself I want it's mod_lua for apache. |
| 15:59.33 | arezey | oh |
| 15:59.38 | Eulex | trifler, oh, that kepler thingy may not be in debian tho |
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| 16:00.21 | trifler | It's what I've found to evaluate lua with apache. |
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| 16:00.27 | Eulex | trkf |
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| 16:00.56 | Eulex | trifler, regarding kepler's ./configure, you'll have to ask the kepler people questions about it. |
| 16:01.35 | trifler | Eulex: But it's a file not a command right? (i've never compiled anything from source) |
| 16:01.36 | Eulex | trifler, evaluate? |
| 16:01.59 | Eulex | trifler, usually, commands are files on unix. |
| 16:02.05 | Eulex | most are at least |
| 16:02.19 | Eulex | trifler, and they created their ./configure script |
| 16:02.39 | trifler | Eulex: Okey more like this. Its a file that should come with the src not already be in debian. |
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| 16:03.16 | Eulex | trifler, I didn't understand that sentence fully, but I believe the answer is yes. |
| 16:04.25 | trifler | Eulex: In the src I've dowloaded from lua-src-forge. Once unpacked the guide tells me to type ./configure (that file isen't something that already exisit within debian) |
| 16:04.52 | Eulex | trifler, right. it's part of that source tarball. |
| 16:05.55 | Mark17 | hello, what could be the reason for the following: http://streamservice.nl/tcpdump.log ? |
| 16:06.41 | trifler | Eulex: And that doesn't exisit which I found odd :) |
| 16:06.47 | jelly | Mark17: iptables rules? service dead? |
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| 16:07.27 | Mark17 | jelly: iptables is stopped for testing |
| 16:07.29 | jelly | wait, I'm reading is wrong |
| 16:07.49 | Eulex | trifler, there is no standard for what a ./configure script is supposed to take as arguments. that varies from script to script. there's however a few options that you usually include. like --help. |
| 16:07.50 | jelly | Mark17: it's the client's router that is refusing your packets |
| 16:07.57 | Mark17 | and from other locations the connection to asterisk is just working normally |
| 16:08.38 | phorsyon | anyone minds to vote for this? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120147 |
| 16:08.59 | jelly | phorsyon: please don't spam. |
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| 16:09.31 | jelly | phorsyon: this is your second link for the same thing today, and it's not a debian issue |
| 16:09.51 | Mark17 | jelly: can it be an other reason? because it also doesnt work when i remove that router and connect the system behind that router directly to the internet |
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| 16:10.20 | jelly | Mark17: how does it not work? what os is the client running? |
| 16:10.32 | phorsyon | jelly: so that's already considerd spam? |
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| 16:11.19 | jelly | phorsyon: this channel is for Debian support. Where's the corresponding debian bts bug? |
| 16:11.40 | Mark17 | jelly: asterisk runs on debian, the client router runs on debian, the client laptop runs on windows (where a softphone is installed), but also a hardware phone behind that router doesnt work |
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| 16:12.38 | phorsyon | jelly: shall i research if there is any and if not file one? |
| 16:12.39 | Mark17 | before it worked fine (at that moment asterisk was running on debian 4.0) |
| 16:13.07 | jelly | phorsyon: if you're a debian user, sure. Include the upstream bug link in it. |
| 16:13.15 | karl_k | hi, could someone please try to open http://online.uni-graz.at in konqueror ? it does not work for me, but i can connect to that site with lynx .... |
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| 16:14.24 | jelly | Mark17: client router "uname -r"? iptables-save? |
| 16:14.52 | jelly | Mark17: I'm not very clueful with network issues, but it still could be any number of things |
| 16:15.02 | phorsyon | jelly: only if i am a debian user? |
| 16:15.19 | OpenTokix | karl_k: That was one ugly mother of a site |
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| 16:15.20 | jelly | phorsyon: well, yes, you have to reproduce the issue. |
| 16:15.51 | Dominicus | Are there multiple versions of files stored in the debian repositories? That is, I was able to install KDE 4.2 from the experimental repository within the last 90 days, it worked fantastic, and then it broke when I did a dist-upgrade, so I'm trying to find out if there's a way for me to install a previous version. Does anyone have any insight into that? |
| 16:15.58 | phorsyon | jelly: well it's a wish, kinda usability issue. |
| 16:16.28 | Mark17 | uname -r (@ asterisk server and @ client router) gives back: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 16:16.56 | micols | anyone ever used the dpt_i2o driver and successfully hotswapped by echoing into /proc? - or by it automagically finding the new devices by itself? |
| 16:17.20 | micols | i cannot use the adaptec driver, and the dpt_i2o seems incapable of hotswapping |
| 16:17.37 | micols | its a 3210s |
| 16:18.14 | micols | also raidutil can only add logical devices from phy's, which it doesn't find when i add new devices |
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| 16:19.18 | Fox_1_ | people in my server I have 3 interfaces: 1-st and 2 internet, 3-rd local. My users connected to local interface. Can I balance load between 1-st and 2 interfaces? |
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| 16:20.17 | florkle | got a question about dpkg error |
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| 16:20.23 | jelly | Fox_1_: are they connected to the same switch? |
| 16:20.46 | Fox_1_ | no |
| 16:20.57 | Fox_1_ | they are different ISPs |
| 16:21.03 | florkle | failed attempt to remove package gives me dpkg: error process (package) (-configure) |
| 16:21.31 | florkle | I ran dpkg --configure -a with no improvement |
| 16:21.44 | jelly | Fox_1_: perhaps http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 16:21.54 | florkle | there are no stale files in /var/lib/dpkg/updates |
| 16:22.20 | jelly | florkle: pastebin the complete output of that command |
| 16:23.08 | danners | how can i find out which application currently writes to my hd? |
| 16:23.16 | Mark17 | jelly: the output from iptables-save from the client router is located at http://www.streamservice.nl/iptables.log |
| 16:23.35 | florkle | sudo dpkg --configure -a returns no output, $?=0 |
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| 16:24.40 | karl_k | hi, could someone please try to open http://online.uni-graz.at in konqueror ? it does not work, but i can connect to that site with lynx .... |
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| 16:26.05 | jelly | Mark17: the client router doesn't seem to have any redirection for sip (udp/5060) traffic? Are there nat sip modules in use? |
| 16:26.33 | jelly | Mark17: I don't know what's the correct way to DNAT sip. |
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| 16:27.55 | Mark17 | jelly: the problem may be that sip is using udp (tcp connections are no problem) |
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| 16:30.08 | florkle | jelly: any ideas on restoring sanity to dpkg? |
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| 16:31.46 | orgthingy | Hello, I've forgot where DHCP config file is located at, since it started to slow down my startup speed, any idea? |
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| 16:32.10 | redax | hi, |
| 16:32.19 | stew | orgthingy: /etc/dhcp3/* |
| 16:32.43 | redax | anyone can help me with ATI 1950XT and tvout with the lenny Xorg ? |
| 16:32.46 | tomodachi | win 10 |
| 16:32.49 | tomodachi | ooops |
| 16:33.01 | orgthingy | stew: thanks, appreciate it |
| 16:33.06 | stew | you're welcome |
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| 16:33.29 | debian_noob | Compiz not working on my PC |
| 16:33.38 | debian_noob | earlier i solved the problem by installing libcompizconfig0 |
| 16:33.38 | stew | florkle: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:33.50 | debian_noob | but now after a fresh install even that is not working |
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| 16:33.58 | debian_noob | any idea what could be wrong |
| 16:34.07 | debian_noob | i just installed debian today |
| 16:34.17 | debian_noob | i also instlled all packages compiz needs |
| 16:34.20 | jelly | florkle: so, what command fails, then? |
| 16:34.32 | debian_noob | but it says cannot find any manageable screens |
| 16:34.43 | debian_noob | can anybody help me? |
| 16:34.51 | jelly | florkle: pastebin that one. |
| 16:35.00 | orgthingy | debian_noob: well, is compiz that important :P ? |
| 16:35.21 | debian_noob | orgthingy:not much but its still good to have it |
| 16:35.31 | debian_noob | i am using LENNY |
| 16:35.39 | debian_noob | i switched from sid |
| 16:35.42 | debian_noob | finally |
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| 16:36.30 | jelly | Mark17: is nf-conntrack-sip module loaded? nf-nat-sip? |
| 16:36.33 | orgthingy | debian_noob: sid is "newer" than lenny |
| 16:36.51 | orgthingy | somehow, in sense that packages are newer and all |
| 16:37.11 | debian_noob | i know but since im a noob everybody on this channel was telling me to switch over to lenny |
| 16:37.15 | Mark17 | jelly: for as far as i can see not |
| 16:37.32 | orgthingy | debian_noob: use whatever you like, I was just pointing that out |
| 16:37.36 | jelly | Mark17: does modprobing nf-nat-sip (previously: ip-nat-sip?) change anything? |
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| 16:37.51 | Aldus | Hi, I have some problems with my email servers (all... citadel, surgemail, postfix). Seems like when I try to send mail the mail from my root user goes out as: aldo [aldo@APC001]. Where can I find this APC001? When I connect with SSH to my server it's also the first part of my prompt. (APC001:). Sorry for newbye question but it's quite painful |
| 16:38.19 | jelly | orgthingy: sid is also VERY unsupported here |
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| 16:38.49 | florkle | $sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:38.55 | Mark17 | modprobe nf-nat-sip do you mean jelly? |
| 16:38.57 | debian_noob | jelly:right |
| 16:38.58 | orgthingy | jelly: but a lot use it for desktop, would be insane to use it for servers though..so somehow "welcomed" i guess |
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| 16:39.01 | florkle | there is the cut and paste of my command, like I said, it has no output |
| 16:39.08 | orgthingy | and i use sid, no problems what so ever |
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| 16:39.14 | debian_noob | Can anybody help me??? |
| 16:39.19 | jelly | !sidsmite orgthingy |
| 16:39.19 | dpkg | smacks orgthingy with a crippling libstdc++5 bug |
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| 16:39.41 | jelly | Mark17: um, yes. |
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| 16:40.08 | orgthingy | c++ has all kinds of bugs anyway |
| 16:40.25 | orgthingy | jelly: well, it's software developers to decide what reaches their users..not lenny's :P |
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| 16:40.27 | jelly | orgthingy: have a perl bug then. |
| 16:40.41 | BirdInTux | could someone help me set up an apache server please |
| 16:40.57 | jelly | orgthingy: the point is, don't recommend sid to users that do not know what they're getting into |
| 16:41.09 | florkle | jelly: any use of apt-get fails or dpkg with an error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 16:41.13 | orgthingy | jelly: right, fair enough |
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| 16:41.57 | BirdInTux | would be greatly appreciated |
| 16:42.22 | jelly | florkle: so pastebin one of those! |
| 16:43.03 | Mark17 | that module doesnt solve it jelly |
| 16:43.32 | jelly | florkle: which version of debian, btw? dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt|tail -3 |
| 16:43.57 | BirdInTux | I have to set up a server for my javascript course and have been runnning to some problems |
| 16:44.33 | Mark17 | some how the reactions arent send through (they are stopped at the router for as far as i can see) |
| 16:44.39 | florkle | jelly: ok I have pasted the error |
| 16:45.49 | florkle | dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt | tail -3 |
| 16:45.50 | florkle | ii apt 0.7.14ubuntu6 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 16:45.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 dpkg apt | tail -3 |
| 16:45.51 | florkle | ii dpkg 1.14.20ubuntu6.1 Debian package management system |
| 16:46.28 | Maulkin | !ubuntu |
| 16:46.29 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:46.47 | jayeola | running lenny and coding for ruby with emacs22. using the ruby-elisp package. whilst editing ruby code, C-c C-s should run a ruby process. this failing with "apply: Searching for program: no such file or directory, irb". my guess is that the ruby package is actuall called ruby11.8. what can i do about this? |
| 16:47.01 | twouters | I'm looking for a tool to manage multiple servers, meaning that i want to see which debian version / packages versions those machines are running at a centralized place. Does anyone know of something that does this? |
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| 16:47.39 | florkle | jelly: so any ideas on making dpkg get over its desire to throw an error? |
| 16:48.13 | sepski | twouters, ocsinventory or perhaps site-summary |
| 16:48.13 | jelly | florkle: you'll have to ask your distro people, I've no idea about that dpkg. |
| 16:48.21 | stew | florkle: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 16:49.12 | twouters | sepski: thank, i'll look into those |
| 16:50.28 | avu | jayeola, irb is a sperate package, have you installed that too? |
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| 16:50.35 | jayeola | yup |
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| 16:50.48 | jayeola | irb, ri, ruby and emacs |
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| 16:51.09 | jelly | Mark17: so much for easy fixes, no idea then ;-) |
| 16:51.21 | avu | jayeola, and 'which irb' shows irb to be in your user's PATH? |
| 16:51.34 | jayeola | good point.. |
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| 16:51.58 | jayeola | whereis irb = irb: /usr/bin/irb1.8 |
| 16:52.04 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 16:52.06 | jelly | Mark17: if you have the older 2.6.18 kernel on that router box, you could try booting it and see if that changes/fixes anything |
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| 16:52.11 | elgopher | hello |
| 16:52.13 | KomiaPoika | what must i have in sources.list to have googleearth-package available? |
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| 16:52.20 | kolpur | what can be the maximum length of a username ? |
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| 16:52.30 | avu | jayeola, well, seems like you only installed the irb1.8 package, not the irb package? |
| 16:52.34 | elgopher | anyone knows why my man pages appear empty? |
| 16:52.57 | kolpur | googleearth package is available in google earth site ... |
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| 16:53.20 | stew | judd: versions googleearth-package |
| 16:53.21 | judd | stew: googleearth-package -- etch/contrib: 0.0.4 lenny/contrib: 0.5.4 sid/contrib: 0.5.4 squeeze/contrib: 0.5.4 |
| 16:53.26 | kolpur | for more details regarding repositories to be added check out the google earth site |
| 16:53.30 | stew | KomiaPoika: ^^^ contrib |
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| 16:54.05 | jayeola | avu: ty! ^_^ mwahahaah |
| 16:54.38 | stew | kolpur: the google earth site tells you about debian's googleearth-package package? or tells you how to install their package? or their source? |
| 16:55.28 | kolpur | there is a binary file of google earth available compatible for all gnu/linux distros |
| 16:55.30 | KomiaPoika | thx |
| 16:55.41 | Mark17 | jelly: both sides 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 16:55.47 | stew | KomiaPoika: yeah, then i'd use the debian package not whatever comes from the google earth site |
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| 16:56.12 | KomiaPoika | stew: im doing http://blog.irwan.name/?p=283 right now |
| 16:56.12 | sky_ | hi |
| 16:56.15 | jelly | Mark17: I guess it might be possible that nf-nat-sip is broken in exactly that version |
| 16:56.16 | stew | i also don't believe there can possible be a binary file compatible with all gnu/linux distros |
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| 16:56.30 | sky_ | how i can make screenshot if i will click on super button + tab ? |
| 16:56.37 | kolpur | i think the debian repos contain the older versions of google earth .. so better download it from google earth site |
| 16:56.53 | avu | kolpur, you're wrong. |
| 16:56.53 | stew | kolpur: the debian repos don't contain any version of google earth |
| 16:56.56 | stew | KomiaPoika: that looks good |
| 16:56.57 | kolpur | binary file i meant to say ... " .bin " .. not about the installable |
| 16:57.14 | themill | kolpur: the debian repos only contain a downloader for google earth that wraps it up in a convenient .deb. |
| 16:57.21 | jelly | Mark17: I'd clean all the iptables rules except for the MASQUERADE bit, make sure nf-nat-sip is loaded at boot (added to /etc/modules), see if that helps |
| 16:57.21 | Acedip | well i had downloaded the debian 5 image form the torrents provided at its website, but its not working.. |
| 16:57.22 | sky_ | none ? |
| 16:57.23 | KomiaPoika | stew: but on the laptop that has lenny it starts a black space googleearth :( |
| 16:57.26 | Acedip | any help |
| 16:57.39 | avu | !not working |
| 16:57.39 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:57.39 | kolpur | not working ?? |
| 16:57.44 | themill | (Which also fails to work does to the new version of google earth not having a matching version string_ |
| 16:58.00 | elgopher | sky_ you can use gconf-editor to add the keys |
| 16:58.12 | jelly | Mark17: try an asterisk or voip channel, or a iptables/netfilter/netwokring one |
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| 16:59.11 | sky_ | elgopher: oh thank you...can you be more specify how i can do that this ? |
| 16:59.26 | elgopher | yes |
| 16:59.41 | elgopher | give me a secon |
| 16:59.46 | sky_ | np :) |
| 16:59.48 | sky_ | thank you |
| 17:00.12 | kolpur | stew:http://dl.google.com/earth/client/ge4/release_4_3/googleearth-linux-plus-4.3.7284.3916.bin |
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| 17:00.30 | stew | kolpur: what about it? |
| 17:00.32 | kolpur | downloading that and installing would be an easy task |
| 17:00.46 | sky_ | elgopher: then highlight me thanks :) |
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| 17:01.00 | kolpur | google earth 4.3 for linux |
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| 17:01.10 | kolpur | http://dl.google.com/earth/client/ge4/release_4_3/googleearth-linux-plus-4.3.7284.3916.bin |
| 17:01.11 | stew | kolpur: ok, installing the debian package which would download it for you, create a deb for you and install the resulting deb, making upgrade and removals easier is not much harder, and is much better |
| 17:01.15 | Aldus | The Citadel mailserver is not working with php for some reason. I tried to test the citmail command with the script provided here: http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/faq:installation:does_citadel_have but it doesn't send mail as well. With debug it says "250 message accepted". Same was happening with other mail servers, why? I can normally send and receive mail with mail clients |
| 17:01.25 | elgopher | sky_: you have to run gconf-editor |
| 17:01.27 | jair | guys I was checking on wikipedia and basically noticed that I can have a maximum volume file system (xfs) size and file size 8Eib = 8,000 Terabytes? or 8 Terabytes? |
| 17:01.54 | sky_ | elgopher: yes i do |
| 17:02.04 | Acedip | well i had downloaded the debian 5 image form the torrents provided at its http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/bt-cd/ website, but its not working.. |
| 17:02.07 | elgopher | then go to apps-->metacity-->keybinding_command |
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| 17:02.08 | kolpur | if you are comfortable with apt and dpkg ... then that would be a good one ... |
| 17:02.09 | Acedip | any help |
| 17:02.10 | jelly | jair: no, 8EiB is not equal to 8TiB. |
| 17:02.29 | stew | kolpur: i'm much more comfortable with that than I am with "download this binary from the web and run it as root" |
| 17:02.31 | elgopher | and add there the keys |
| 17:02.42 | jelly | jair: 1EiB = 1024 PiB = 1048576 TiB |
| 17:02.59 | stew | who knows where it is going to put stuff and what it is going to overwrite and how i'd get rid of it in the future |
| 17:03.02 | elgopher | afterwards go to global keybindings |
| 17:03.18 | batcoder-7 | on debian where is the httpd.conf or apache2conf whatever they call it ? |
| 17:03.31 | jabis | normally under /etc/apache2/ |
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| 17:03.52 | jair | jelly: ok so then in human wrong readable value will be 8,000 TB? |
| 17:03.54 | elgopher | and look for the run_command_X and add it the option that you want |
| 17:04.06 | jelly | batcoder-7: read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 17:04.27 | jelly | jair: millions, not thousands |
| 17:04.31 | jair | jelly: I am looking for the human readable value |
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| 17:05.01 | jair | jelly: 8,000 Gigabytes? |
| 17:05.13 | jelly | jair: 8,000,000 TB |
| 17:05.20 | jair | ohhhh |
| 17:05.22 | micols | how do i use minicom with a console cable (ethernet eth1) ? |
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| 17:06.06 | jelly | micols: uh, console cable usually means a serial port, not ethernet |
| 17:06.17 | jair | jelly: in the case of the NTFS file system shows 16EiB = 16,000,000 TB? |
| 17:06.26 | jelly | jair: yes. |
| 17:07.00 | jair | I did not know that the NTFS file system could handle more storage than the XFS file system |
| 17:07.07 | jelly | who cares! |
| 17:07.13 | micols | jelly: i saw someone doing a crossover console cable for the cisco |
| 17:07.23 | micols | for rj45 - rj45 cisco.. crossover |
| 17:07.32 | micols | sorry, straight through |
| 17:07.46 | jelly | micols: it wouldn't have been anything to do with ethernet, though |
| 17:07.57 | micols | jelly: no, it is rs232 |
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| 17:08.07 | jelly | micols: RJ45 plug, yes, but not ethernet. |
| 17:08.27 | micols | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjQJYiZN3w0 |
| 17:08.30 | micols | go have a look |
| 17:08.45 | jelly | have better things to do, sorry |
| 17:08.56 | micols | @ 7:00 |
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| 17:09.01 | jelly | try explaining in text |
| 17:09.07 | jair | jelly: so NTFScan handle a biger file size and bigger volume size than ext3 and xfs? |
| 17:09.40 | micols | jelly: i think there is both a cisco rj45->db9 and a cisco rj45-rj45 but im not sure about the last one. |
| 17:10.31 | jair | jelly: so basically I can test creating a lun in my SAN of 4TB on ext3 or xfs and debian will see all the space not problem? |
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| 17:11.28 | jelly | micols: there are blue rollover cisco cables with rj45 <-> db9 plugs, but both ends are serial, not ethernet |
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| 17:12.19 | jelly | jair: yes. |
| 17:12.29 | micols | jelly: im talking rj45-rj45 here.. |
| 17:12.46 | jair | jelly: I will go ahead and try that :-) |
| 17:12.47 | jelly | micols: what's the real issue you have? |
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| 17:13.12 | micols | jelly: i made the cable, now how do i get serial data from the rj45 connector? |
| 17:13.26 | jair | jelly: I am using clonezilla based on debian to clone and restore massive number of desktops and I wanted to have a lot of different versions |
| 17:13.29 | micols | its basically a crossover cable i made |
| 17:13.40 | jair | jelly: so I needed a big storage lun |
| 17:13.52 | jelly | micols: what are you connecting the ends to? |
| 17:14.00 | micols | jelly: laptop, cisco router? |
| 17:14.15 | jelly | micols: which cisco router model? |
| 17:14.22 | micols | 2621 |
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| 17:14.55 | jelly | micols: a 2600 series. that's a serial port there, in all likelihood, so you'll need a serial port on the laptop too. |
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| 17:15.40 | micols | http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps332/products_tech_note09186a0080094ce6.shtml#topic7 |
| 17:15.47 | micols | it should support crossover |
| 17:16.06 | jelly | micols: crossover what? |
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| 17:18.23 | sladi | Hi! When I install another window manager additional to Stumpwm, I can't get Stumpwm anymore. I read I should choose 'xsession.script' in GDM and I tried that. I also tried update-alternatives. Now there is still a plus sign next to the other WM and Stumpwm has a star sign. |
| 17:18.26 | jelly | micols: that page just lists some common cable types. It doesn't say you'll be able to connect to a cisco 2621 using any of those. |
| 17:20.32 | jelly | micols: 95% you need a serial port on your pc to connect to that old router's console. |
| 17:20.59 | batcoder-7 | hmm |
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| 17:21.37 | jelly | micols: some usb-serial adapters work with ciscos, but not all. |
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| 17:23.23 | jelly | jair: I wouldn't use ext3 for that fs size, it takes a very long time to fsck. |
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| 17:24.22 | jelly | jair: then again, if you're going to store large files on it, you might be able to circumvent the fsck time by limiting the number of inodes when making the filesystem. |
| 17:25.46 | ComradeHaz | hello all. Anyone any experience with IBM Thinkpads and linux? |
| 17:26.23 | ComradeHaz | About to stick the Debian installer in but a bit worried about the IBM recovery system / p[artition thing |
| 17:26.26 | Vincent0ne- | I used an old ThinkPad with linux b4 |
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| 17:26.45 | ComradeHaz | hmm, can you shed any light on my concerns Vincent0ne-? |
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| 17:26.55 | ComradeHaz | This machine's about 5 years old... |
| 17:26.59 | Vincent0ne- | this 1 I had didnt use a recovery partition |
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| 17:27.07 | jelly | ComradeHaz: do you want to keep the recovery partition? |
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| 17:27.23 | Vincent0ne- | I used to run Suse linux on it, I didnt have too much of a problem |
| 17:27.28 | ComradeHaz | not sure, Jelly. My concern is the whole 'access IBM' system requires it. |
| 17:27.36 | Vincent0ne- | the sound controller may didnt work properly |
| 17:27.46 | Vincent0ne- | in linux |
| 17:27.50 | jelly | ComradeHaz: I've found out I had to keep the original MBR code if I wanted it to work on my Z60m. |
| 17:28.06 | ComradeHaz | At the moment one has to use the 'access ibm' system to boot bios even |
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| 17:28.29 | Vincent0ne- | same goes with the graphics, I had to run X in Svga mode or vesa |
| 17:28.35 | Vincent0ne- | it may be better now |
| 17:28.47 | ComradeHaz | hmm, was that with debian, Vincent0ne-? |
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| 17:29.21 | Vincent0ne- | I did it with opensuse, I had tried debian potato on it in the years, I had to keep referring to linux-on-laptops.com |
| 17:29.32 | jelly | ComradeHaz: there's thinkwiki.org and ##ibmthinkpad channel |
| 17:29.43 | ComradeHaz | ooh, thanks alot |
| 17:29.46 | ComradeHaz | I'll head on over |
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| 17:30.13 | Vincent0ne- | I dont have it now, cos the Hard disc failed on/off and needed the money and sold it |
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| 17:30.31 | Vincent0ne- | I know I am crafty there |
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| 17:31.11 | ComradeHaz | you git :D |
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| 17:31.44 | sladi | Can I change the priority with update-alternatives? |
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| 17:35.29 | rgr | Am trying to apply from exim4 scripts which use "lsearch". Anyone know what it is and where it is? |
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| 17:37.01 | dupondje | [738567.591734] eth0: too many iterations (16) in nv_nic_irq. <- how this can be fixxed ? |
| 17:37.09 | dupondje | tried increasing it :( but still nothin |
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| 17:39.39 | dupondje | somebody ? |
| 17:40.10 | rgr | Anyone know where "lsearch" is? |
| 17:40.33 | \amethyst | dupondje: is it sharing an IRQ with anything? |
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| 17:40.43 | ComradeHaz | dupondje: I know for a fact that issue is trivially googleable |
| 17:40.51 | ComradeHaz | I had it too |
| 17:40.56 | ComradeHaz | I forget how to fix it though |
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| 17:41.14 | \amethyst | rgr: you mean the C function? |
| 17:41.24 | dupondje | \amethyst: how to see ? |
| 17:41.37 | \amethyst | dupondje: cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 17:42.12 | dupondje | 1276: 12152 172936306 PCI-MSI-edge eth0 |
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| 17:42.34 | \amethyst | dupondje: how high have you tried increasing it? |
| 17:42.39 | jerome | I just installed lenny on a 400Mhz g3 Imac. Works pretty smoothly, however, this box lacks some buttons to set up the CRT monitor nicely (bounds and shape). Are there any software tools to do that ? |
| 17:42.44 | dupondje | 15 |
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| 17:44.02 | \amethyst | dupondje: google is suggesting to try as high as 200 |
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| 17:44.25 | dupondje | is that safe ? :D |
| 17:44.36 | \amethyst | dupondje: well, I'd try 32 and 64 and 128 first |
| 17:44.49 | jelly | jerome: well. There's xvidtune, but if you manage to fix the output with that, you're going to have to copy the settings manually to the X config file. |
| 17:44.52 | \amethyst | it would probably affect system responsiveness |
| 17:45.04 | \amethyst | since you're saying it's okay to spend more time in the interrupt handler |
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| 17:45.46 | jelly | dupondje: how long has that machine been up? |
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| 17:46.03 | jerome | jelly: damnit. Thanks anyway. Sometimes offsets comes with bad modelines, I may try that before. |
| 17:46.08 | dupondje | jelly: up 9 days, 10:55 |
| 17:46.31 | jelly | dupondje: 172M interrupts sounds a bit excessive |
| 17:48.24 | dupondje | jelly: how to fix that then ? :D |
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| 17:48.50 | \amethyst | that's about 200 per second |
| 17:48.53 | jelly | dupondje: what does "ethtool -k eth0" say? |
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| 17:49.50 | dupondje | jelly: http://debian.pastebin.com/d3f7ed9e9 |
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| 17:50.36 | \amethyst | dupondje: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=350431 suggests trying to boot with pci=nomsi |
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| 17:50.53 | jelly | looks reasonable |
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| 17:52.12 | jelly | \amethyst: that bug report also mentions a way to disable msi solely for that driver |
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| 17:52.23 | JBzh | I don't see any difference between the outputs of apt-cache --names-only --installed and apt-cache --names-only . The packages listed when --installed are not installed in fact. I don't understand. |
| 17:53.19 | \amethyst | jelly: the reporter said it didn't work for him, though, but it might be worth trying |
| 17:53.25 | dupondje | \amethyst: the forcedeth seems to have msi options also |
| 17:53.27 | jelly | mm. |
| 17:53.39 | dupondje | but can I see if its on or of default ? |
| 17:53.54 | \amethyst | I believe /etc/interrupts should tell you |
| 17:53.54 | dupondje | #define NV_MSI_ENABLED 0x0040 |
| 17:54.08 | \amethyst | err |
| 17:54.10 | \amethyst | /proc/interrupts |
| 17:54.17 | jelly | <dupondje> 1276: 12152 172936306 PCI-MSI-edge eth0 # <- this is ON |
| 17:54.30 | dupondje | mmm :) lets try off :P |
| 17:55.19 | jelly | dupondje: uname -r? |
| 17:55.36 | dupondje | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 17:55.38 | themill | JBzh: check the man page for --installed. |
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| 17:56.16 | sky_ | hi |
| 17:56.38 | sky_ | i want copy a file to another folder via console |
| 17:56.42 | sky_ | how i can do that this ? |
| 17:56.44 | JBzh | themill: I did. |
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| 17:57.32 | JBzh | man page for --installed : list packages that are curently installed" (it's in French I might translate this wrong in english) |
| 17:58.05 | sepult | what are storage capacities of usb-sticks nowadays ? |
| 17:58.26 | JBzh | hooo sorry (I'm ashamed), it's only for depends and rdepends |
| 17:58.28 | sepult | 8GB ? 16 ?? |
| 17:58.33 | themill | JBzh: :) |
| 17:58.44 | sky_ | how i can copy data to any folder via console ? |
| 17:58.54 | sky_ | i need to be a root ? |
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| 17:59.13 | jelly | sky_: it depends on the destination folder ownership and permissions |
| 17:59.33 | sky_ | jelly: can you say me a correct command ? |
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| 17:59.54 | \amethyst | sky_: su -c 'cp somefile /some/directory/' |
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| 18:00.17 | \amethyst | sky_: or sudo cp somefile /some/directory if you have sudo set up |
| 18:00.19 | sepult | can someone tell me what's gonna be put in /etc/apt/preferences in order to get correct pinning for metapackages or even virtual ones ? |
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| 18:00.25 | sky_ | thank you |
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| 18:00.41 | asulao | hello. what's the correct package name for ndiswrapper modules for amd64 etchnhalf? can't seem to find it |
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| 18:01.24 | simonrvn | *ahem* |
| 18:01.27 | simonrvn | !lenny |
| 18:01.27 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 18:02.16 | asulao | is that your answer for me? |
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| 18:02.22 | \amethyst | asulao: you'll have to build them yourself |
| 18:02.44 | simonrvn | no, just a reminder :) |
| 18:02.46 | \amethyst | asulao: install module-assistant then m-a a-i ndiswrapper-source |
| 18:03.07 | \amethyst | err |
| 18:03.29 | \amethyst | asulao: m-a a-i ndiswrapper rather... that will build and install the modules for your current kernel |
| 18:03.44 | asulao | ok thanks \amethyst, nice nick btw |
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| 18:05.06 | gadi_ | my debian5 only work 1 ethernet, the second ethernet dont work. any idea ? |
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| 18:05.15 | asulao | simonrvn, thx I knew about 5.0, but I just don't want to switch just yet (lazyness mainly ;) |
| 18:05.32 | Schuenemann | hey, can someone give a hand with my wireless? Here are the details: http://pastebin.ca/1347008 |
| 18:05.44 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:05.44 | asulao | anyway is it easy to upgrade a working etch installation to lenny? |
| 18:05.56 | simonrvn | !lenny release notes |
| 18:05.56 | dpkg | hmm... lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, or <etch->lenny key> |
| 18:06.06 | ewet | hi, does aptitude work with pinning the same way like apt-get? |
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| 18:06.13 | simonrvn | read that, and use common sense, easy as pie |
| 18:06.34 | themill | ewet: in as much as pinning is a great way of breaking things, yes. |
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| 18:07.03 | asulao | really? It was a bit of a hastle to get debian run on a mac. Wouldn't want to spent several days installing again :( |
| 18:07.26 | asulao | I'll take a look thanks. |
| 18:07.41 | abrotman | Schuenemann: what is the device? did you look in dmesg to see if it is operating correctly? |
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| 18:08.16 | manu_hack | if i plug in a usb mouse but dmesg|tail shows nothing, is there something I can restart so I can get the mouse detected? I tried /etc/init.d/udev restart but no luck |
| 18:08.22 | Schuenemann | abrotman, it is wlan0. If I remove the auto line from /etc/network/interfaces it works, but I have to manually connect everytime I login |
| 18:08.30 | asulao | !i-g |
| 18:08.30 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r7) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual. <installer firmware> |
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| 18:08.33 | ewet | themill: is there any other way to prioritize different repos? |
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| 18:08.54 | themill | !wayttd ewet |
| 18:08.54 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ewet? |
| 18:09.01 | Schuenemann | abrotman, I'm using it right now, btw. But I want it to connect automatically |
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| 18:09.57 | abrotman | Schuenemann: so it comes up eventually, just not at boot time? |
| 18:10.53 | ewet | themill: does a paste of /etc/apt/preferences help you?: http://sprunge.us/bDdP |
| 18:10.56 | Schuenemann | abrotman, it come up if I tell it to connect: iwconfig wlan0 essid linux ; dhclient wlan0. But that just works if I remove that "auto" line |
| 18:11.06 | dareth | asulao I did a dist-upgrade from Etch to Lenny without issue, though your milage may vary. |
| 18:11.21 | themill | ewet: that doesn't really tell me what you're trying to do. |
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| 18:13.08 | abrotman | Schuenemann: maybe it needs a 'sleep' before you try to bring it up? what kind of device is it? |
| 18:13.13 | ruben23 | hi |
| 18:14.06 | ewet | themill: use stable as highest priority, use testing on a bit lower priority and then install unstable only if explicitly said so. other repos may differ but usually may be priorized like testing |
| 18:14.17 | Schuenemann | abrotman, what is that sleep? The device is a wireless intel ABG 3945 |
| 18:14.28 | abrotman | so you're using iwlwifi ? |
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| 18:15.44 | Schuenemann | abrotman, yes |
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| 18:16.18 | themill | ewet: then you're probably over complicating things. Start with something like this http://rafb.net/p/XHOJgj75.html then perhaps consider adding in your 3rd party repos later once you're verified that works. |
| 18:16.34 | asulao | dareth, on a mac? there are issues... system crahshes had to go half), wifi, cpu power, keyboard, little things, etc. |
| 18:16.51 | themill | ewet: you'll need to do some tweaking to that but it's a start |
| 18:16.58 | asulao | (had go tchnhalf)* |
| 18:16.58 | dupondje | \amethyst: could it be a bios setting that MSI doesn't work ? |
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| 18:17.28 | asulao | crap, keyboard isn't stable yet |
| 18:17.36 | hecroce | hi, i know this is not strictly a debian question, but has anyone dnscache listening on more than one network? is that possible? |
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| 18:17.47 | asulao | (had to go etchnhalf)* |
| 18:17.53 | runa | where are the config settings for firefox and gnome-terminal? I would like to change the Move-to-tab shortcut for Ctrl+N! |
| 18:18.24 | manu_hack | so now i found that when I connect my usb mouse, dmesg|tail shows nothing, but running lsusb can make it work, so the detection is not automatic? |
| 18:18.30 | ewet | themill: okay there is no alternative to pinning (even?) with aptitude. |
| 18:18.48 | hecroce | i tried by adding a new file to /etc/dnscache/root but it simply doesn't work |
| 18:19.08 | sladi | Can I change the priority with update-alternatives? I can't choose Stumpwm in GDM when I install another WM. It always prefers the other one. |
| 18:19.11 | abrotman | Schuenemann: and there's nothing in the logs about it not being ready the first time? |
| 18:19.17 | themill | ewet: no, pinning is what is required. Default-Release can help, but only for fairly trivial circumstances. |
| 18:19.38 | Schuenemann | abrotman, which log should I check? |
| 18:21.28 | abrotman | syslog? messages? |
| 18:21.32 | ewet | themill: okay thanks - as long as it behaves (more or less nice) like apt-get. |
| 18:21.36 | xlotlu | how do i configure which font gets chosen for a specific alias? e.g.: for Courier i get Nimbus Mono L, but i want Liberation Mono |
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| 18:23.24 | Schuenemann | abrotman, I see those "# |
| 18:23.24 | Schuenemann | DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6" when the system is being load |
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| 18:24.16 | abrotman | but nothing before/after? |
| 18:24.48 | Schuenemann | I'll change the interfaces file and check again |
| 18:24.51 | Schuenemann | brb |
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| 18:25.20 | wpgmb | Anyone using PCMan File Manager? I wonder how to browse a local network? |
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| 18:28.46 | mib_51yzb0xk | I have installed flashplugin-nonfree and then tried flashplayer-mozilla but none of them seem to work with Epiphany for flash website |
| 18:28.49 | DarkriftX | I installed kde using apt-get install kdebase. I want it to start from vncserver. What do I put in the xstartup script to start kde? "startkde" does not work and I do not appear to have that file (checked with find) |
| 18:29.01 | mib_51yzb0xk | anyone could give me some help ?? |
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| 18:29.59 | abrotman | mib_51yzb0xk: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
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| 18:30.30 | wpgmb | <mib_51yzb0xk>: I assume you have followed instructions according to your platform, ie 32 vs 64 bit? |
| 18:30.34 | dustybin | wooooooo |
| 18:30.35 | dustybin | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7910110.stm |
| 18:31.46 | wpgmb | dustybin: that IS great news |
| 18:31.47 | mib_51yzb0xk | yes I have and the plugin is installed. I checked with "about:plugins" |
| 18:31.53 | dustybin | :D |
| 18:31.59 | mib_51yzb0xk | and with ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 18:32.03 | abrotman | dustybin: #debian-offtopic please |
| 18:32.11 | dustybin | rumours have it, they will be using debian lenny as well |
| 18:32.16 | dustybin | abrotman: aye ok |
| 18:32.43 | wpgmb | mib...: I think Epiphany may need a different path? |
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| 18:33.20 | mib_51yzb0xk | is it looking in /etc/alternatives ? |
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| 18:33.27 | abrotman | mib_51yzb0xk: what does that command return ? |
| 18:33.38 | wpgmb | bump: Anyone using PCMan File Manager? I wonder how to browse a local network? |
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| 18:34.36 | mib_51yzb0xk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2009-02-25 18:25 /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so |
| 18:34.45 | abrotman | mib_51yzb0xk: give me a moment, i'll give you a command |
| 18:35.13 | abrotman | mib_51yzb0xk: where is the adobe flash currently located? |
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| 18:35.22 | Schuenemann | abrotman, hi |
| 18:35.26 | abrotman | boo!~ |
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| 18:35.49 | abrotman | mib_51yzb0xk: libflashplayer.so ? in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ? |
| 18:35.54 | Schuenemann | abrotman, the only different thing I noticed is this message: wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 18:36.23 | Schuenemann | there is also a message about an older driver not being loaded, but that shows up with both configs |
| 18:36.24 | abrotman | it sounds like it hasn't quite been setup yet .. see if #ipw2100 has an idea on what might be causing that |
| 18:36.28 | hecroce | anyone? |
| 18:37.01 | abrotman | just had to pick a slow mirror for the deb-src ... |
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| 18:37.16 | Schuenemann | abrotman, ipw2100? |
| 18:37.54 | abrotman | it's a channel on freenode .. #ipw2100 |
| 18:37.58 | mib_51yzb0xk | I have got flash-mozilla.so and libflashplayer.so already |
| 18:38.02 | abrotman | they handle all intel wifi cards |
| 18:38.12 | abrotman | mib_51yzb0xk: give me a moment .. i asked you where you put the libflashplayer.so |
| 18:38.41 | mib_51yzb0xk | in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 18:39.03 | abrotman | okay .. give me a moment to get you the command .. |
| 18:39.29 | mib_51yzb0xk | yes, thank you |
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| 18:41.46 | abrotman | mib_51yzb0xk: update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 18:42.31 | abrotman | mib_51yzb0xk: run that as root .. then close all your browsers, run `update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so` .. then choose the one that points to the libflashplayer.so .. then restart your browser and try again |
| 18:43.00 | wpgmb | bump: Anyone using PCMan File Manager? I wonder how to browse a local network? |
| 18:44.06 | Schuenemann | abrotman, wow, that channel is a cemetery |
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| 18:44.51 | abrotman | Schuenemann: never been there myself .. but you could also try #wireless .. i'm not sure what that error means, but it sounds ilke while the driver is loaded the device hasn't become ready yet |
| 18:45.25 | Schuenemann | alright, thanks |
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| 18:46.53 | cimon | poop |
| 18:47.40 | cimon | Anyone here implement Koha? |
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| 18:49.02 | kladizkov | i have a debian 4.0, and my machine doesn't even have stdio.h file...which package provides those header files? |
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| 18:50.14 | abrotman | !tell kladizkov about search |
| 18:50.17 | abrotman | !tell kladizkov about apt-file |
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| 18:51.55 | dikdust | The Formative Years - Unquestionable Presence - Atheist (x«amarok) |
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| 18:52.01 | PierreW_ | hello, i have apache2 with php5 installed on lenny, and want to make it possible to also have parallel php4 running and setting the php-version in the virtualhost. is there any tutorial someone knows about this? |
| 18:52.11 | wpgmb | bump: Anyone using PCMan File Manager? I wonder how to browse a local network? |
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| 18:53.21 | _abc_ | how do i configure hald to listen for something other than hdb if i only have 'hald-addon-storage : polling /dev/hdb' in ps -auxwf on etch ? |
| 18:53.56 | pobega | I have a problem with alsa; sometimes when I boot the main line is called `LineOut`, when other times I have `Master`; this is trouble because I have to reset my hotkeys every time I boot up (edit a file, restart acpi); is there any reason why alsa is doing this? |
| 18:54.08 | abrotman | dikdust: turn that off |
| 18:54.25 | dikdust | yes sorry abrotman I noticed |
| 18:54.32 | abrotman | thanks |
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| 18:55.26 | _abc_ | grep hald /etc/init.d comes up empty but hald is running ?! what starts hald on debian ? |
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| 18:56.24 | jelly | _abc_: forgot to add -r to that grep? |
| 18:56.29 | hecroce | jerne: you are right, the answer is here http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/9644/fid/699 |
| 18:56.38 | _abc_ | jelly: maybe ?! |
| 18:56.49 | jelly | ?!?! |
| 18:56.59 | _abc_ | still null |
| 18:57.09 | _abc_ | what now ?! |
| 18:57.40 | jelly | run in circles, scream and shout?! |
| 18:58.00 | _abc_ | grep -rl hald /etc/* 2>/dev/null :) |
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| 18:58.20 | _abc_ | jelly: you are confusing me with balmer ?! |
| 18:58.35 | jelly | I mean, the use of "?!" seems uncalled for. It's not that your life depends on this that you're so agitated. |
| 18:58.48 | _abc_ | seems dbus starts it i think |
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| 18:59.29 | jelly | _abc_: is hal package installed? |
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| 19:00.03 | _abc_ | jelly: <sarcasm>no, hald was installed by divine intervention</sarcasm> |
| 19:00.18 | jelly | I'm serious. |
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| 19:00.44 | wpgmb | Anyone using PCMan File Manager? I wonder how to browse a local network? |
| 19:00.44 | _abc_ | so am i, hald is running and is installed, i don't undrestand the setup, it seems it is launched by dbus only, not from init.d |
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| 19:01.01 | jelly | _abc_: dpkg -L hal|grep init.d |
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| 19:01.27 | _abc_ | ng |
| 19:01.29 | _abc_ | ?! |
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| 19:01.51 | _abc_ | ok, i forgot to mention this is knoppix not pure debian (i installed knoppix to hdd and upgraded to etch) |
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| 19:02.09 | _abc_ | puts on flameproof things |
| 19:02.13 | jelly | _abc_: thank you for playing #debian. |
| 19:02.30 | jelly | Please visit us again when you choose to really use this OS. |
| 19:02.44 | _abc_ | jelly: well i am technically migrating from knoppix to debian |
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| 19:02.56 | XPSlammer | _abc_: #knoppix is two doors down on the left. don't let the door hit you on the way out. |
| 19:03.05 | jelly | _abc_: technically, a reinstallation would be hte safest thing to do |
| 19:03.05 | _abc_ | jeez, politics |
| 19:03.20 | jelly | we don't know what they changed. |
| 19:03.21 | _abc_ | jelly: if you take over my workload while i do that i'm game |
| 19:03.23 | bbeck | Does anyone know how I can download the oldstable netinst? |
| 19:03.32 | XPSlammer | no, not politics, we don't support redhat users trying to debtakeover their machines either |
| 19:03.35 | jelly | _abc_: sure, 50 EUR/hr and I'm in. |
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| 19:03.56 | kladizkov | i'm trying to install libc6-dev and what i get is this "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1) but 2.6-2 is to be installed" |
| 19:04.11 | kladizkov | is there anyway to install libc6-dev? |
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| 19:04.15 | jelly | _abc_: but really, this channel doesn't really support fixing breakage caused by all the other distros based-on-debian. |
| 19:04.21 | stew | kladizkov: you are runnign etch, but you are tring to install libc6-dev from lenny |
| 19:04.25 | jelly | _abc_: you'll have to ask them. |
| 19:04.35 | _abc_ | ok, thanks |
| 19:04.54 | _abc_ | is etch now oldstable ? i think so |
| 19:04.56 | wpgmb | How can I browse a local network with PCMan File Manager? |
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| 19:05.03 | jelly | that's correct, _abc_ |
| 19:05.10 | sepult | what's the way to downgrade the libc which gets installed when i use packages from experimental! ? |
| 19:05.11 | stew | kladizkov: actually 2.6-2 is older than lenny, so you are running a mix of packages from etch and an old version of lenny |
| 19:05.25 | stew | kladizkov: so, I'd recommend finishing upgrading to lenny: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 19:05.27 | sepult | or is it ok to let the new one stay |
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| 19:06.14 | sneezewort | apt-get dist-upgrade fails and says to use -f. Is this safe? |
| 19:06.28 | stew | sneezewort: yes, -f means "fix things" |
| 19:06.40 | stew | (not "--force unsafe things") |
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| 19:07.12 | sneezewort | ok thanks |
| 19:07.41 | kladizkov | stew: is there anyway to bring it back to etch? |
| 19:08.08 | stew | kladizkov: "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" perhaps. but why not upgrade to lenny? |
| 19:08.45 | kladizkov | stew: this is shared hosting server...with mysql4.0 etc etc |
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| 19:09.03 | sepult | i get error upon downgrading libc from experimental to lenny back saying "immediate configuration failed on libc" or so |
| 19:09.04 | kladizkov | i'm confused now.. |
| 19:09.31 | sepult | if i change apt::immediat-configure to no is it safe ? |
| 19:09.37 | _abc_ | can someone confirm that there are NO mentions of storage configs in /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal ? |
| 19:09.45 | sepult | just to change the libc and then reset it to the default value ? |
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| 19:11.14 | stew | sepult: it doesn't sound like anything you are doing is safe |
| 19:11.31 | stew | (i'm not familiar with that particular option though) |
| 19:11.38 | sepult | stew: since we don't have any guarantees at all.... |
| 19:11.50 | sepult | stew: it's not that bad |
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| 19:14.54 | sepult | stew: as i installed the netinst version, upgrading to experimental would leave the old libc in place and just put the new one to the same folder, now i'm using a bootstrapped lenny which i upgraded to experimental then got back to lenny, failing the steps that neither there were two libcs beneatch each other in the same folder nor that the downgrade to the old ones |
| 19:15.35 | stew | sepult: experiemntal is not somehting you can upgrade to |
| 19:16.10 | sepult | stew: ok ok, upgrade, install, inject take whatever pleases you |
| 19:16.15 | stew | sepult: i'm not sure I understand what "failing the steps that neither there were two libcs" is suposed to mean |
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| 19:17.17 | sepult | stew: i'm not sure if there was a script which would leave the old libs in place as tring to install the new one |
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| 19:17.25 | sepult | trying |
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| 19:18.22 | sepult | stew: or if using --force-remove-reinstreq as option dpkg would cause that |
| 19:18.24 | cosmosy | say something |
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| 19:18.51 | cosmosy | come on BITCH! /load script nickcolor.pl |
| 19:19.08 | abrotman | do you need help? |
| 19:19.17 | stew | cosmosy: do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:19.18 | simonrvn | yeh, with his language |
| 19:19.19 | cosmosy | not now |
| 19:19.29 | cosmosy | i thought i was in irssi |
| 19:19.32 | sepult | cosmosy: /run nickcolor ? |
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| 19:19.41 | cosmosy | apolgies!! :D |
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| 19:20.12 | pbn | Hello, in what file is there a link between the "serial number" of a FAT32 filesystem and the name it has on the desktop when it is mounted ? |
| 19:20.14 | abrotman | mib_51yzb0xk: did you get it to work? |
| 19:20.14 | kreat0r | hey anyone here framiliar with paragon ntfs? |
| 19:20.34 | pobega | So, Squeeze's Gnash plugin still isn't compatible with YouTube videos? |
| 19:20.34 | cosmosy | sepult, that did it! |
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| 19:21.15 | simonrvn | besides, it's /script load scriptname |
| 19:21.31 | simonrvn | /run is just an alias to that |
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| 19:22.05 | sepult | cosmosy: yes, we all have our segfaults |
| 19:22.07 | sepult | lol |
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| 19:23.22 | gubbs | Hey guys quick question - I have used lenny for a basic lamp box. Is it ok to apt-get remove rsyslog? I don't pay attention to logs anyway. Will it cause issues if I do just remove it and live without logging? |
| 19:23.54 | abrotman | FLW candidate of the day! |
| 19:24.03 | XPSlammer | FLW? |
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| 19:24.18 | simonrvn | famous last words |
| 19:24.22 | XPSlammer | oic |
| 19:24.48 | gubbs | Uhm Its on a closed LAN. I'm the only person connected to that LAN. |
| 19:24.50 | gubbs | I dont see the point. |
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| 19:25.16 | jelly | gubbs: this just means you don't have enough experience. |
| 19:25.53 | jelly | but sure, you can live without a syslog, livecds do |
| 19:26.01 | jelly | my netbook does too |
| 19:26.21 | gubbs | Thats all I needed to know .. |
| 19:26.49 | sepult | pbn: don't tell me you lost your encryption key on your new encryted disk... |
| 19:26.57 | sepult | uuups |
| 19:26.59 | sepult | sorry |
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| 19:28.05 | jelly | gubbs: while you're at it, you can also disable logging in apache! |
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| 19:28.54 | Mr_Speedy | any ideas how to run torrentflux on remote LAMP server without SSH? ;) i mean free hosting :D |
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| 19:32.06 | kurgon | ew |
| 19:32.09 | kurgon | torrentflux |
| 19:32.11 | kurgon | what garbage |
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| 19:33.04 | Mr_Speedy | kurgon: what do you recommend for remote torrentz management? |
| 19:33.09 | wpgmb | Anyone using PCMan File Manager? I wonder how to browse a local network? |
| 19:33.13 | adama | Mr_Speedy: what is the problem? Use FTP |
| 19:33.21 | adama | rtorrent |
| 19:33.30 | adama | but that really requires ssh |
| 19:34.14 | Mr_Speedy | adama: how can i use FTP for torrent management? ;) |
| 19:34.17 | _abc_ | can someone confirm that /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/20-storage-methods.fdi should contain '<match key="storage.media_check_enabled" bool="false"><match key="storage.no_partitions_hint" bool="true">' ? |
| 19:34.25 | _abc_ | without the tick |
| 19:34.32 | Mr_Speedy | adama: or you mean upload flux via FTP? |
| 19:34.38 | adama | Mr_Speedy: I mean you can use torrentflux and FTP |
| 19:34.43 | adama | yeah |
| 19:35.06 | adama | unpack it locally, upload it, browse to set it up and use it, FTP down your files |
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| 19:35.20 | Mr_Speedy | adama: but, i think that torrentflux needs to have bittornado installed, no? |
| 19:35.37 | adama | no idea |
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| 19:36.55 | obcecado | _abc_: yep |
| 19:36.59 | zeta | for someone reason the font spacing for xterm is humongous when I have like xterm -fn Arial |
| 19:37.27 | blsecres | zeta: Arial isn't a fixed width font |
| 19:39.03 | KomiaPoika | re |
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| 19:39.28 | KomiaPoika | i installed google earth from package maker on lenny and when i try to run it, i get: /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 19:40.21 | KomiaPoika | but is already installed: libglib2.0-0 is already the newest version. |
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| 19:40.34 | zeta | how do i default xterm so it uses medium? |
| 19:41.34 | blsecres | zeta: medium? |
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| 19:42.26 | zeta | like when you right click in xterm |
| 19:42.29 | zeta | you can choose "medium |
| 19:42.54 | wpgmb | Anyone using PCMan File Manager? I wonder how to browse a local network? |
| 19:42.55 | abrotman | medium sized font he means |
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| 19:44.19 | blsecres | I would stick with something like -fn 9x15 or -fn 10x24 |
| 19:44.50 | blsecres | ...or switch to rxvt-unicode and Deja Vu Mono |
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| 19:45.21 | pobega | Anyone know why exim4-daemon-light would be giving me this error? http://pastebin.com/m407e45d8 (# |
| 19:45.24 | pobega | hostname --fqdn did not return a fully qualified name, dc_minimaldns will not |
| 19:45.27 | pobega | # |
| 19:45.33 | pobega | err, sorry, i didn't realize that would split up into three messages. |
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| 19:45.49 | pobega | (the pound signs aren't even in the text I copied...) |
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| 19:46.23 | joe-d-arc | Hi@All! |
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| 19:47.22 | cirzgamanti` | how do i see what the names of the executables in a .deb package are? |
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| 19:47.46 | pobega | cirzgamanti`: I think you can use apt-fil |
| 19:47.49 | pobega | apt-file, rather |
| 19:47.52 | xenoterracide | how do I remove services from runlevels? e.g. I don't need samba running |
| 19:48.06 | pobega | cirzgamanti`: though I think there is a dpkg command that will do it...let me read the man page |
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| 19:48.11 | pobega | xenoterracide: I use sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:48.12 | xenoterracide | not running a gui either |
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| 19:48.17 | pobega | sysv-rc-conf then |
| 19:48.24 | xenoterracide | ok |
| 19:48.31 | blsecres | xenoterracide: go to /etc/rc#.d/ and switch the S##command to K100-##command |
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| 19:48.33 | pobega | cirzgamanti`: yeah, dpkg -L should work the same. |
| 19:48.40 | cirzgamanti` | thx :) |
| 19:48.48 | pobega | cirzgamanti`: dpkg -L <packagenam> |
| 19:48.51 | cirzgamanti` | i had always wondered about this |
| 19:48.55 | pobega | for future reference, manpages are very handy ;D |
| 19:49.12 | xenoterracide | pobega: that's something I'd have to install isn't it |
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| 19:49.57 | pobega | xenoterracide: Yeah. It's an nCurses application though. You could do it manually like blsecres suggested, but I prefer having an app in front of everything so I don't muddy things up. |
| 19:49.57 | blsecres | xenoterracide: so say S20samba would be $ sudo mv S20samba K80samba |
| 19:49.57 | xenoterracide | is used to rc-update... |
| 19:49.57 | xenoterracide | so clean |
| 19:50.16 | pobega | I like the Debian way, personally; sysv is very nice once you get used to it's quirks. I 'grew up on it', so to speak. |
| 19:50.16 | xenoterracide | .3 |
| 19:50.31 | xenoterracide | pobega: I grew up on gentoo ;) |
| 19:50.39 | BadHorsie | hi, I'm trying to install linux-headers-2.6.28-1-amd64 which depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.28 but i don't see it on the repository |
| 19:50.57 | blsecres | I don't understand the need for all the different runlevels and symlinks, but I really like the NetBSD init system |
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| 19:51.31 | xenoterracide | blsecres: what the point of renaming it to KXX? |
| 19:51.36 | pobega | blsecres: it keeps things organized and simple; Have you ever seen a RedHat system? My time on RedHat consisted of me using /usr/bin/find to figure out where init scripts were located...bleh |
| 19:51.40 | xenoterracide | blsecres: never tried netbsd |
| 19:51.55 | pobega | xenoterracide: KXXX is the shutdown script, I believe; and S is for startup. |
| 19:51.57 | blsecres | xenoterracide: SXX means start, KXX means kill |
| 19:52.06 | xenoterracide | on gento this is just rc-update del samba |
| 19:52.08 | simonrvn | and if it's already dead... |
| 19:52.21 | pobega | Also, if you do the 100-X way, it's easy to go back and say "so this is K80, it must be S20" when you want to re-enable it. |
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| 19:52.30 | simonrvn | ...it does nothing |
| 19:52.30 | pobega | xenoterracide: But just try out sysv-rc-conf. |
| 19:52.34 | batcoder-7 | anyone here use apache2 on debian where is the document root set at? |
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| 19:52.37 | Spectre | hi |
| 19:52.49 | simonrvn | batcoder-7: depends |
| 19:52.57 | themill | dpkg: tell batcoder-7 about apache it works |
| 19:53.02 | blsecres | I don't understand how 6+ directories full of symlinks are organized and simple compared to one directory full of init scripts |
| 19:53.07 | wpgmb | Anyone using PCMan File Manager? I wonder how to browse a local network? |
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| 19:53.31 | xenoterracide | pobega: well that reminds me, do I have to configure repos or are the main update ones installed already? |
| 19:53.37 | pobega | blsecres: It's easier to maintain systems that use different runlevels, really. At least in my opinion. |
| 19:54.00 | pobega | xenoterracide: uhh, depends how you installed; but in 99% of cases it's there by default. |
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| 19:54.10 | simonrvn | managing symlinks is a PITA, which is why i ran on file-rc for a while |
| 19:54.13 | blsecres | I understand that part, but in all my years, all my systems boot into a runlevel and stay there |
| 19:54.24 | simonrvn | same |
| 19:54.29 | xenoterracide | gentoo has more than 2 runlevels but you only really ever mess with 2 of them |
| 19:54.32 | xenoterracide | boot and default |
| 19:54.38 | pobega | simonrvn: It is a bit of a PITA, but after installing insserv it's all worth it :] |
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| 19:54.42 | batcoder-7 | themill, wow it does that, how stupid |
| 19:54.54 | xenoterracide | you can make systems get X faster if you put X on lower runlevels |
| 19:55.08 | simonrvn | debian doesn't work that way |
| 19:55.10 | xenoterracide | and they can boot there other things in the background while X is staring |
| 19:55.29 | pobega | xenoterracide: you can do that just fine on Debian. |
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| 19:55.48 | _abc_ | i need it to add hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/mmcblk0 but the device does not exist before insertion. any workaround ? |
| 19:55.57 | pobega | I moved /etc/rc2.d/S90xdm to /etc/rc2.d/S04xdm, for example. |
| 19:56.00 | Spectre | I installed binaries from ATI.com and debian stucked... If I reboot it, it stuck with white / black screen |
| 19:56.07 | Spectre | now I'm trying fglrx one-liner |
| 19:56.20 | xenoterracide | pobega: I know |
| 19:56.40 | xenoterracide | pobega: just kinda making the point about why multi runlevels are useful |
| 19:56.41 | pobega | xenoterracide: anyway, try out sysv-rc-conf like I said. TRUST ME, it will save you a WORLD of headaches. |
| 19:57.04 | Spectre | My ATI kills me with linux |
| 19:57.23 | pobega | Yeah, on Debian 2~5 are the same by default; but you can configure them to act differently. I think 1 is used for single user, 2 is used for regular, and S is used for system (initial boot level, directly after kernel) |
| 19:57.43 | pobega | 0 and 6 ... don't ask me. /me shrugs |
| 19:58.22 | joe-d-arc | have a new lcd with 1680x1050. but the old resulution 1024x768 is running! in wich directory, in which file should i start my search to solve this problem? |
| 19:58.30 | Spectre | the newest version is lenny am I right? |
| 19:58.41 | Spectre | I guess so |
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| 19:59.07 | KomiaPoika | i installed google earth from package maker on lenny and when i try to run it, i get: /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:59.10 | pobega | Spectre: Newest stable as of Feb 14th is Lenny; Testing is now Squeeze, though. |
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| 19:59.12 | KomiaPoika | but is already installed: libglib2.0-0 is already the newest version. |
| 19:59.34 | cahoot | joe-d-arc: does xrandr -q list the wanted resolution? |
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| 19:59.56 | pobega | KomiaPoika: So /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 exists? |
| 20:00.06 | Spectre | pobega: k |
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| 20:00.23 | person2 | I installled kde with the command aptitude install kde, so I would expect aptitude remove kde to remove it, but it didn't completely. What shall I do? |
| 20:00.31 | blsecres | KomiaPoika: what does ldd /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin say about gthread? |
| 20:00.34 | simonrvn | !remove kde |
| 20:00.35 | xenoterracide | pobega: looking at it now... and it is better than hand going through runlevels |
| 20:00.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data |
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| 20:00.44 | simonrvn | person2: that ^^^ |
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| 20:00.49 | joe-d-arc | cahoot: right klick on kde, resolutions don't list it! |
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| 20:00.58 | person2 | simonrvn: but but |
| 20:01.03 | person2 | It didn't work :-( |
| 20:01.09 | pobega | xenoterracide: It's probably not as simple as Gentoo or NetBSD, but it isn't meant to be; it's meant to be all-purpose, really. But glad you got it working. |
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| 20:01.16 | simonrvn | you didn't read the that i pointed to |
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| 20:01.27 | pobega | You still need to go into /etc/rc#.d/ to adjust at what point during the boot things start, though. |
| 20:01.29 | KomiaPoika | pobega: yes it exists |
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| 20:01.32 | person2 | simonrvn: lol, thanks |
| 20:01.36 | kreat0r | wow did you guys read about Hans Reiser's murder case? |
| 20:01.40 | kreat0r | i haven't ran linux in a few years |
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| 20:01.47 | kreat0r | and i decided to see what the state of reiser4 was |
| 20:01.49 | simonrvn | kreat0r: ancient news... |
| 20:01.51 | kreat0r | and i found out about the murder lol. |
| 20:01.53 | kreat0r | well there is an update |
| 20:02.00 | kreat0r | On 10 January 2009 it was reported that Hans Reiser is recovering after having been beaten up by several prisoners. |
| 20:02.10 | cahoot | kreat0r: you find this amusing? |
| 20:02.11 | person2 | simonrvn: I don't want to remove my configuration files; is it okay to replace 'purge; with 'remove' there? |
| 20:02.20 | kreat0r | no do you? |
| 20:02.27 | kreat0r | im just saying wow |
| 20:02.27 | simonrvn | he's accused of being a wife killer, not surprising |
| 20:02.30 | pobega | That's not really an update; that's just a shame. |
| 20:02.32 | unrealone | http://www.steamwin.org/index.php?num=77 |
| 20:02.34 | KomiaPoika | blsecres: it says it doesnt say a thing about gthread |
| 20:02.37 | xenoterracide | pobega: that's not really a problem. I've just got a vm set up to emulate work servers... and I see no reaso to have it starting all this stuff |
| 20:02.42 | kreat0r | how do they find out what you did |
| 20:02.43 | kreat0r | in prison |
| 20:02.44 | simonrvn | person2: sure, but it won't touch ~/ |
| 20:02.51 | simonrvn | kreat0r: easy |
| 20:02.54 | pobega | xenoterracide: yeah, I agreed; I turn off a lot of stuff (I'm on an Eee so I don't need much) |
| 20:03.08 | simonrvn | kreat0r: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 20:03.08 | person2 | simonrvn: Just how I like it |
| 20:03.29 | kreat0r | hahaha |
| 20:03.30 | person2 | Oh, you mean it wouldn't touch that anyway? Well, I just want to install KDE4 without having anything conflicting |
| 20:03.31 | simonrvn | debian *never* touches /home |
| 20:03.39 | pobega | kreat0r: yeah, go to #debian-offtopic; I'd be glad to talk there. |
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| 20:04.47 | joe-d-arc | cahoot: shutdown XP, booting debian... |
| 20:04.56 | person2 | Ah, I love debian... |
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| 20:06.47 | karsten | person2: Please be aware that debian is a strictly monagamous distro, and she loved *me* first. |
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| 20:07.28 | karsten | simonrvn: Well, it creates /home and user dirs. Policy dictates that there are certain areas in which directory structures may be created but nothing deleted. |
| 20:07.54 | karsten | simonrvn: ... just being pedantic. |
| 20:08.04 | simonrvn | yes, during install. but i was talking about normal package removal and installation. |
| 20:08.10 | simonrvn | karsten: ;) |
| 20:08.24 | joe-d-arc | cahoot: xrandr -q: maximum 1024x768 |
| 20:09.00 | BadHorsie | hi, I'm trying to install linux-headers-2.6.28-1-amd64 which depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.28 but i don't see it on the repository |
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| 20:10.04 | person2 | karsten: lol, I'll take that as an ironic compliment to Debian's usefulness to everyone. |
| 20:10.11 | themill | batcoder-7: huh? |
| 20:10.14 | extor | I just installed the new lenny and I have no sound. However my last lenny build had sound and when I boot with a knoppix DVD I have sound as well. Did anything major change with sounds in the new lenny? |
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| 20:11.22 | Geek`N`Proud | Extor, yes |
| 20:11.32 | Geek`N`Proud | Extor, the pc speaker loads as the default sound device in many cases |
| 20:11.38 | extor | :O |
| 20:11.44 | extor | I don't have a PC speaker |
| 20:11.59 | Geek`N`Proud | if the mobo has support for one then you do "technically" |
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| 20:12.24 | extor | I see HDA(Intel) Alsa Mixer |
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| 20:12.33 | blsecres | extor: I had to reset my sound levels (/etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset) as they were all set to zero for some reason |
| 20:12.35 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 20:12.35 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
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| 20:13.00 | joe-d-arc | have a new lcd with 1680x1050. but the old resulution 1024x768 is running! in wich directory, in which file should i start my search to solve this problem? (xrandr -q tells a maximum of 1024x768) |
| 20:13.14 | extor | blsecres, but shouldnt you be able to reset the sound levels using the GUI preferences window that comes up when you click that sound incon on the top right in gnome? |
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| 20:13.40 | blsecres | extor: not sure, I don't have any of the GUI tools installed |
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| 20:13.58 | extor | Doesnt that sound icon install by default? |
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| 20:14.21 | simonrvn | AFK; community supper |
| 20:14.39 | pobega | Any idea how I can enable fsck on battery power at boot time? Currently my system skips it at boot, but it's giving me problems with my JFS partitions, so I'd like to just enable it. |
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| 20:17.01 | keith4 | what does this indicate, as directory permissions? drwxrwxrwt |
| 20:17.43 | Eulex | keith4, everyone can read, write and execute, sticky bit set |
| 20:17.44 | blsecres | pobega: have you tried creating the file /forcefsck before reboot? |
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| 20:18.03 | Eulex | !sticky bit |
| 20:18.03 | dpkg | sticky bit is probably the "t" bit on /tmp. When set on a directory, it means that users cannot unlink anyone else's files (and a few other things). It has no effect on files in any modern Unix. |
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| 20:18.16 | keith4 | Eulex: cool, thanks |
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| 20:18.36 | Eulex | keith4, ... and I guess you're looking on /tmp? :) |
| 20:18.53 | keith4 | Eulex: /var/lib/vmware/Virtual Machines, actually |
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| 20:19.01 | extor | facepalms after plugging in the headphone cable tightly into the soundcard |
| 20:19.05 | pobega | blsecres: Interesting, I didn't know that existed; but that isn't how I want it. I just want it to act like it's on AC power *all* the time. |
| 20:19.11 | pobega | But that's a very good tip to know, thanks |
| 20:19.11 | Eulex | keith4, oh |
| 20:19.18 | sameerynho | how can i see what packages are installed? |
| 20:19.23 | keith4 | dpkg -l |
| 20:19.23 | dpkg | keith4: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:19.38 | keith4 | dpkg: hush! |
| 20:19.38 | dpkg | hush is, like, http://www.apt.needs.to.hush.up.org |
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| 20:21.24 | _abc_ | huh |
| 20:24.19 | joe-d-arc | # |
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| 20:25.40 | xenoterracide | is sshd installed by default? |
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| 20:25.52 | keith4 | define "by default" |
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| 20:26.06 | xenoterracide | installed and started |
| 20:26.22 | keith4 | nothing is installed unless you installed it |
| 20:26.30 | keith4 | ... either during the initial installation, or afterwards |
| 20:26.57 | xenoterracide | well during the initial configuration I installed a lot of server stuff... and ssh is on my system |
| 20:26.57 | keith4 | but that depends entirely on which install you did, and what packages you installed |
| 20:27.06 | xenoterracide | but I don't see an sshd init script |
| 20:27.21 | stew | xenoterracide: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 20:27.27 | keith4 | what does "dpkg -l | grep ssh-server" show? |
| 20:27.38 | stew | xenoterracide: and no, it would not be installed by default |
| 20:27.43 | keith4 | generally, nothing that would open a TCP port is installed by "default" |
| 20:28.02 | xenoterracide | keith4 nothing |
| 20:28.14 | keith4 | then listen to stew |
| 20:28.15 | keith4 | he is wise |
| 20:28.23 | xfel | Hi! Does nfs care about if a network interface is a physical one or not? (Playing around with a diskelss sytem and when the bootserver is set as a ethernetbridge it hangs, no logs no errors just stops and waits for something) |
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| 20:29.17 | orgthingy | what's all this +l * by debhelper? |
| 20:29.21 | joe-d-arc | i'm a beginner with X (not with Konsole) have a new lcd with 1680x1050. but the old resulution 1024x768 is running! in wich directory, in which file should i start my search to solve this problem? (xrandr -q tells a maximum of 1024x768) |
| 20:29.40 | stew | keith4: and note that openbsd-inetd, which opens TCP ports is in the standard install |
| 20:29.52 | xenoterracide | hmm... it wants another disk... I don't feel like downloading 1. is there a guide on how to configure it to use non disk repos (hates disk repos, and just repos in general) |
| 20:30.04 | stew | orgthingy: it periodically changes the limit of the number of nicks allowed to join the channel |
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| 20:30.16 | sameerynho | i don't have dpkg param --force-all why? |
| 20:30.18 | orgthingy | stew: i dont get it, why? :( |
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| 20:30.29 | stew | orgthingy: to prevent join flooding |
| 20:30.39 | stew | sameerynho: what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:30.46 | xfel | joe-d-arc: have a look in /etc/X11/xorg |
| 20:31.01 | sameerynho | stew i try to remove a broken package |
| 20:31.21 | th1 | Hi, I was trying to upgrade my etch box to lenny following the instructions in the release notes. Before I started I created an LVM snapshot of my old root. About halfway through aptitude dist-upgrade my root fs became totally corrupted. how can I revert it to the snapshot I took? I guess it's really a LVM question but I'm really desperate |
| 20:31.26 | stew | sameerynho: none of the --force options would help with this |
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| 20:31.41 | stew | sameerynho: you'll have to fix whatever is broken about the package or find a workaround |
| 20:31.43 | sameerynho | stew so what |
| 20:31.52 | stew | sameerynho: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:31.55 | th1 | I managed to boot off the snapshot by changing root= in grub |
| 20:32.52 | sameerynho | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove --force-all which isn't installed. |
| 20:32.52 | sameerynho | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 20:32.52 | sameerynho | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.52 | dpkg | You are moron #1, sameerynho |
| 20:32.58 | xenoterracide | anyone on configuring the main update repo? |
| 20:33.05 | stew | sameerynho: don't use --force-anything |
| 20:33.23 | sameerynho | stew so what should ido |
| 20:33.25 | stew | curvature: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:33.48 | th1 | can anyone help with how to restore a LVM snapshot to the original drive? |
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| 20:33.57 | raziel | i just installed( for a second time) lenny on a virtual machine and i get a message about kernel failure but it loads ok except the gui is a bit ugly, why? |
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| 20:34.15 | orgthingy | raziel: bit ugly? |
| 20:34.15 | xenoterracide | nvm it was configured apt-get just isn't smart enough to look at the next repo when the first isn't found |
| 20:34.20 | orgthingy | define "ugly" |
| 20:34.32 | orgthingy | to me, a bit "ugly" means QT..or you mean plain-x11? |
| 20:35.04 | bit0 | hello |
| 20:35.08 | raziel | it doesnt use the theme it is like when you open an application with root |
| 20:35.25 | orgthingy | raziel: mind to give me a screenshot? |
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| 20:36.05 | raziel | sure one sec |
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| 20:36.51 | joe-d-arc | xfel: just found a xorg.conf: # 1680x1050 (Notebook) |
| 20:36.52 | joe-d-arc | ModeLine "1680x1050" 154.2 1680 1712 2296 2328 1050 1071 1081 1103 |
| 20:36.52 | joe-d-arc | # 1920x1200 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 74.52; pclk: 193.16 MHz |
| 20:36.52 | joe-d-arc | ModeLine "1920x1200" 193.16 1920 2048 2256 2592 1200 1201 1204 1242 -HSync +HSync |
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| 20:37.08 | zeta | what's a good guide for installing Java and Flash (both non-free) onto deb systems? |
| 20:37.11 | orgthingy | pastebin next time |
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| 20:37.26 | orgthingy | zeta: nothing, just grab a DEB package from adobe (for flash) |
| 20:37.35 | orgthingy | and download java from either Sun or repo |
| 20:37.39 | stew | zeta: enable the contrib and non-free repsotiries and "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree sun-java6-jre" |
| 20:38.02 | stew | zeta: i'd not recommend installing packages directly from adobe or sun |
| 20:38.29 | zeta | how does one enable contrib and non-free? |
| 20:38.30 | orgthingy | stew: I did it all time, nothing happens, no extra DEBs: only 1 |
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| 20:38.45 | orgthingy | zeta: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:38.50 | sameerynho | stew : what should i do for this http://pastebin.com/m2bd49114 |
| 20:38.51 | almost | hi |
| 20:39.00 | stew | zeta: "/msg dpkg contrib" "/msg dpkg non-free" ; where it says "main" make it say "main contrib non-free" |
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| 20:39.30 | stew | orgthingy: "no extra DEBs" is part of the problem, it subverts the excellent package management debian provides |
| 20:39.47 | betsalel | hi, I just installed debian 5.0 and I cann't access my old ntfs disks, it says: Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume. once I click on them. whats wrong? I was told I can access my ntfs partitions... :( |
| 20:39.57 | stew | orgthingy: and ignores debian's alternatives system. makes upgrades and removals potentially more problematic |
| 20:39.57 | almost | i have seen this bug which has stopped dcc-clint being available in lenny here is the url http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464161 |
| 20:40.15 | almost | if i install the source tar ball will that be ok |
| 20:40.24 | orgthingy | stew: well, didn't for me :-p But yea, installing from repo is recommended |
| 20:40.29 | almost | dcc-client |
| 20:40.38 | orgthingy | but it didn't do any harm to my system so far |
| 20:40.43 | stew | sameerynho: you should tell me what command you are running |
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| 20:41.08 | kazabe | hi |
| 20:41.10 | sameerynho | i run dpkg -r roundcube-core |
| 20:41.17 | seed__ | Hi, I cannot find the package for mysqli, is there one? |
| 20:41.25 | raziel | orgthingy: hmm, changed the theme and it looks fine, but it still says after the reboot that i have a kernel failure, got the screen |
| 20:41.44 | stew | sameerynho: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:41.55 | sameerynho | stew: etch |
| 20:41.59 | kazabe | how can i change the date used to register the logs? i have local time in my server, but the logs appear with UTC |
| 20:42.27 | orgthingy | raziel: kernel failure, can you tell me exactly? or close? to the error |
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| 20:42.36 | stew | sameerynho: what version of roundcube are you removing? it wasn't in etch iirc |
| 20:42.49 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ping |
| 20:43.07 | sameerynho | stew: 0.2~stable-1 |
| 20:43.08 | stew | sameerynho: there appears to be an error in /var/lib/dpkg/info/roundcub.postrm ; you might debug it by running "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/roundcube.postrm remove" |
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| 20:43.15 | zeta | well apt can't seem to find wgetpaste for one thing |
| 20:43.38 | stew | sameerynho: ahh, if you are running packages from unstable, you should definately check the bts |
| 20:43.38 | _abc_ | zeta maybe because its called wput ? |
| 20:43.56 | stew | sameerynho: (and in general, you shouldn't mix packages from unstable onto a system running stable or oldstable) |
| 20:43.56 | sameerynho | stew: bts? |
| 20:44.05 | stew | !bts |
| 20:44.05 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 20:44.21 | stew | sameerynho: (if you are going to run packages from unstable, you should definately know about the bts) |
| 20:44.23 | sameerynho | stew i know but i get it late |
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| 20:44.41 | stew | sameerynho: what do you mean by "get it late"? |
| 20:44.48 | sameerynho | stew so what's your idea |
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| 20:44.54 | bit0 | hello |
| 20:45.07 | stew | sameerynho: there appears to be an error in /var/lib/dpkg/info/roundcub.postrm ; you might debug it by running "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/roundcube.postrm remove" |
| 20:45.13 | bit0 | i use apt-listbugs |
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| 20:45.32 | enouf | SerajewelKS: what's up |
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| 20:45.47 | sameerynho | stew nothing . i run that but my cursor go to next line and waiting like this >_ |
| 20:46.03 | jamesstanley | ugh... can someone kb eRCi-E? |
| 20:46.12 | zeta | _abc_, wput and wgetpaste are totally different programs. |
| 20:46.13 | jamesstanley | Also, can anyone recommend me an X terminal emulator that is light, tabbed, stable, and supports unicode? |
| 20:46.15 | stew | sameerynho: you must have mistyped, note that you should run the entire thing in the quotes but omit the quotes themselves |
| 20:46.27 | vn | hi, [notice] child pid 2928 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) <=== when visiting my pic gallery, since the dist-upgrade...what can I do? thats in the apache's error.log |
| 20:46.36 | zeta | jamesstanley, xterm? |
| 20:46.40 | jamesstanley | tabbed? |
| 20:46.40 | raziel | orgthingy: it says your system had a kernel failure in a pop up and if i want to submit it to the kernel devs |
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| 20:47.05 | jamesstanley | zeta: is xterm tabbed? I thought it wasn't |
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| 20:47.15 | orgthingy | raziel: sorry pal, can you send it to me again? |
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| 20:47.31 | zeta | jamesstanley, well i got mine to tab, but that's probably because i'm on flux |
| 20:47.33 | sameerynho | stew no such file |
| 20:47.39 | jamesstanley | ah ok zeta |
| 20:47.40 | orgthingy | raziel: hmm, submit it to the kernel devs i guess, but how to fix it? i have no idea what so ever |
| 20:47.57 | stew | sameerynho: sorry, it should be roundcube-core.postrm |
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| 20:48.41 | orgthingy | raziel: what is it "stalled" :P ? |
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| 20:49.40 | SerajewelKS | enouf: well i found out that the VM crashes are very similar symptom-wise to what i was experiencing but are actually not related AFAICT |
| 20:49.49 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it's still a legitimate issue, but a different one |
| 20:50.02 | sameerynho | stew that command return this http://pastebin.com/m1d886cc3 |
| 20:50.04 | raziel | orgthingy: i dont know :p, it is just irritating and it comes up every time i boot |
| 20:50.20 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 20:50.57 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i get shit like "[ 324.788068] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 116s! [hald-addon-stor:2212]" in dmesg, which i never got on my physical box |
| 20:51.05 | stew | sameerynho: so it dies somewhere in debconf i guess. have you checked the bts yet? |
| 20:51.09 | esaym | can anyone verify this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516207 |
| 20:51.15 | orgthingy | raziel: ok, if it really doesn't do any harm, then just, dunno, sorry man xD |
| 20:51.37 | sameerynho | stew no |
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| 20:51.52 | stew | sameerynho: you should |
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| 20:51.57 | sameerynho | stew can you tell me how can i add --force-all |
| 20:52.08 | enouf | SerajewelKS: since that's another separate issue, i suggest perhaps you leave that one for next? |
| 20:52.15 | \amethyst | esaym: yes, and if you lie about the user agent it works |
| 20:52.26 | raziel | orgthingy: np, the system looks to be running fine |
| 20:52.33 | \amethyst | esaym: so it's mapquest's fault for checking for 'Firefox' rather than 'Gecko' |
| 20:52.43 | stew | sameerynho: why would you want to add --force-all? what exactly are you trying to force? |
| 20:52.44 | SerajewelKS | enouf: perhaps. i have isolated the cause of this issue, which seems somewhat kernel related but accessible to kernel-hacking-noobs like me |
| 20:52.52 | sameerynho | stew i know that i have a wrong conflict between 2 package |
| 20:52.58 | stew | sameerynho: which 2 packages? |
| 20:53.53 | sameerynho | stew : remove the roundcube and roundcube-core they had conflict and depend only in each other |
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| 20:54.07 | \amethyst | esaym: in fact, it works whether I set the UA to firefox, IE 7, or Opera |
| 20:54.34 | \amethyst | esaym: so apparently they just provide crap javascript or CSS when they see the 'iceweasel' UA |
| 20:54.34 | zeta | what's the midnight commander package called? |
| 20:54.40 | stew | zeta: mc |
| 20:54.44 | zeta | thanks. |
| 20:54.52 | catos | zeta: mc |
| 20:55.01 | blsecres | zeta: apt-cache search midnight commander |
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| 20:55.16 | stew | sameerynho: i'm not sure i understand what you are saying. which package conflicts with which? or are you saying that somehting should be conflicting and isn't? |
| 20:55.31 | kelt | is there a way to get a toolbar in gnome like you would see in mac OSX? |
| 20:55.33 | stew | sameerynho: it looks from your paste that it dies somewhere in debconf. what version of debconf is installed? |
| 20:55.42 | xenoterracide | what's the package for mysql server? |
| 20:55.55 | stew | xenoterracide: mysql-server |
| 20:56.00 | xenoterracide | ok |
| 20:56.14 | blsecres | xenoterracide: apt-cache search mysql server | less |
| 20:56.32 | xenoterracide | blsecres: I tried apt-cache search mysql |
| 20:56.37 | sameerynho | stew 1.5.11etch2 |
| 20:56.44 | xenoterracide | the list was so bing I decide that asking would be faster |
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| 20:57.20 | xenoterracide | wtf |
| 20:57.25 | xenoterracide | s/bing/long |
| 20:57.43 | Caelum | is there a debian installer for eeepc? Also, can you set up unionfs at install time or can it be done after? |
| 20:57.53 | esaym | \amethyst: ah that sucks that would explain why it worked in native FF..... |
| 20:57.56 | stew | sameerynho: well perhaps the roundcube-core packages requires a newer debconf and is missing a versioned depends |
| 20:58.18 | zeta | part1zan_, oh, one of the htings i hadn't figured out in console: if I'm at say /folder1/folder2 and I cd to /folder9/folder12/folder3, now I'm in /folder9/folder12/folder3, how can i quickly go back to /folder1/folder2 without having to issue cd manually? ie. is there like a "Back" command that takes you to your previous folder? |
| 20:58.33 | sameerynho | stew wait |
| 20:58.44 | Caelum | oh neat, there's a project |
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| 20:58.50 | xenoterracide | I wonder why when I chose database server at install it didn't install mysql (noteably it installed postgres) |
| 20:58.56 | zorro | what is the most partitions I can set up? |
| 20:59.21 | Caelum | xenoterracide: because postgres is a "database" and mysql is a "chunk of poo" :) |
| 20:59.31 | sameerynho | stew look at http://pastebin.com/m46883fff |
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| 21:00.08 | stew | sameerynho: yes, you are probably beginning to find out why would recommend against your trying to mix oldstable with unstable |
| 21:00.12 | xenoterracide | Caelum: I agree ;) . but as I've said earlier I'm setting up a server so I can emulate works server, and we run drupal/mysql although I'm hoping to get pg working could enough to work at some point |
| 21:00.19 | xenoterracide | s/could/good |
| 21:00.21 | xenoterracide | wtf |
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| 21:00.51 | stew | sameerynho: what version of binutils is installed now? |
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| 21:01.21 | \amethyst | esaym: some inspection shows that the problem is that the <div id="contentBizLocArea"> (the Holiday Inn etc stuff) is too big and (transparently) covers the whole map |
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| 21:01.35 | parodyoflanguage | What's the package name for ghostview? |
| 21:01.45 | stew | parodyoflanguage: gv |
| 21:01.45 | xenoterracide | thinks my boss doesn't actually know what version of software is installed on our servers |
| 21:02.02 | blsecres | parodyoflanguage: apt-cache search ghostview |
| 21:02.13 | \amethyst | esaym: so, if you don't want to use User Agent Switcher or such, you can fix the biggest problem with a greasemonkey script |
| 21:02.17 | parodyoflanguage | What does apt-cache do? |
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| 21:02.37 | blsecres | parodyoflanguage: apt-cache search searches the apt package cache |
| 21:02.38 | stew | parodyoflanguage: queries the cache of available packages |
| 21:03.15 | AcidPuddle | how do I set up virtual machines using kvm on lenny ? |
| 21:03.15 | sameerynho | stew :-O it seems that i don't have binutils |
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| 21:03.27 | parodyoflanguage | Okay. Thanks. That will prevent a lot of easy questions in the future :) |
| 21:03.30 | Schuenemann | can anyone give me a hand with my wireless (again)? Here it is: http://pastebin.ca/1347008 |
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| 21:03.31 | sameerynho | stew i do dpkg -l | grep binutils |
| 21:03.43 | Schuenemann | if I remove the line "auto wlan0" it works, but I have to do it everytime I log in |
| 21:04.02 | stew | sameerynho: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 21:04.34 | sameerynho | 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 |
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| 21:04.38 | sameerynho | stew ^ |
| 21:04.54 | esaym | \amethyst: well should I notify the mapquest people? If it is just a div issue then why does it work on native FF? |
| 21:05.06 | Caelum | can you boot the debian installer from an sdhc card? |
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| 21:06.19 | th1 | Caelum, if your SD reader supports sdhc |
| 21:06.30 | Caelum | th1: awesome, thank you |
| 21:06.31 | th1 | it's no different from any other USB harddisk |
| 21:06.42 | kladizkov | is lenny good to be installed on a production server? |
| 21:06.52 | Caelum | kladizkov: yes! |
| 21:06.56 | th1 | hopes so :) |
| 21:07.13 | kladizkov | is lenny stable? |
| 21:07.22 | kladizkov | lenny is testing right? |
| 21:07.27 | th1 | lenny is stable now |
| 21:07.29 | th1 | RTFM |
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| 21:08.08 | part1zan_ | zeta: you use flux and debian?)) |
| 21:08.11 | part1zan_ | hehe |
| 21:08.11 | \amethyst | esaym: they are apparently providing slightly different HTML/CSS/Javascript depending on what browser you are using |
| 21:08.14 | part1zan_ | me too |
| 21:08.20 | zeta | part1zan_, yes =) lol |
| 21:08.27 | zeta | part1zan_, on my other machine I use gentoo and xfce |
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| 21:08.43 | zeta | the one i'm using is too slow to compile everything from scratch |
| 21:08.45 | part1zan_ | gentoo is brutal |
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| 21:08.53 | zeta | in what sense? |
| 21:09.00 | \amethyst | esaym: the simplest way for mapquest to fix it is to treat 'Iceweasel', or maybe even 'Gecko', as 'Firefox' |
| 21:09.06 | Pendrag0n | I really need some serious help here, I just locked myself out of my box somehow |
| 21:09.18 | part1zan_ | in the sense that you re to do everything by yourself |
| 21:09.19 | th1 | gentoo is for hackers who wants to learn about linux .. for their playpen box |
| 21:09.43 | Pendrag0n | I set up shorewall via following the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/shorewall?highlight=(shorewall) on my debian vps box |
| 21:09.45 | esaym | \amethyst: I will notify them |
| 21:09.47 | part1zan_ | th1: right, but not only gentoo |
| 21:10.00 | Schuenemann | \amethyst, changing user-agent isn't enough? |
| 21:10.18 | part1zan_ | zeta: do you also use mpd and irssi?) |
| 21:10.36 | zeta | lol no |
| 21:10.38 | Pendrag0n | I can no longer shell into my box, however because it is a vps box, I have file mangager access via a web page where can edit the files in /etc/shorewall and there is a little line where I can execute a single line command on the server |
| 21:10.38 | zeta | never heard of those |
| 21:10.42 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: that's the easiest way for a user to work around it |
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| 21:10.50 | part1zan_ | even irssi? |
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| 21:11.03 | Schuenemann | \amethyst, then... ? |
| 21:11.04 | Pendrag0n | I treid editing the policy to accept all |
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| 21:11.12 | debclair | hi everyone |
| 21:11.21 | part1zan_ | debclair: hi |
| 21:11.26 | Pendrag0n | and then I typed shorewall stop and then shorewall start in the command box, but I am still locked out of the box |
| 21:11.27 | raziel | what is this repo used for? deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib, actually what is volatile? |
| 21:11.28 | Pendrag0n | any ideas? |
| 21:11.33 | Pendrag0n | please someone |
| 21:11.35 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: ultimately mapquest should fix their page |
| 21:11.57 | blsecres | raziel: frequently changing packages such as anti-virus updates |
| 21:11.59 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: it has the same problem in Epiphany and other non-firefox gecko-based browsers |
| 21:12.02 | th1 | Pendrag0n, can't you stop shorewall then with /etc/init.d/shorewall stop ? |
| 21:12.13 | th1 | Pendrag0n, you maybe need the full path like /etc/init.d/shorewall stop etc. |
| 21:12.15 | Schuenemann | \amethyst, what is mapquest? |
| 21:12.21 | drbobb | hi, i have a problem with a server box i tried to upgrade to lenny, looks like a raid-related issue |
| 21:12.32 | raziel | blsecres: is there one for testing? |
| 21:12.51 | blsecres | raziel: not sure |
| 21:12.51 | Pendrag0n | th1: I will try |
| 21:12.57 | th1 | drbobb, what's the problem? |
| 21:13.05 | \amethyst | Schuenemann: a web site |
| 21:13.12 | Pendrag0n | th1, that worked |
| 21:13.16 | Pendrag0n | thank you |
| 21:13.27 | Schuenemann | hmmm... never used it |
| 21:13.37 | raziel | blsecres: np, cos i tried to switch the lenny with testing and it didnt work :D |
| 21:13.43 | th1 | Pendrag0n, no problem |
| 21:13.46 | drbobb | th1: looks like the raid arrays fail to init under the lenny kernel |
| 21:14.00 | th1 | drbobb, what kind of array? mdraid? |
| 21:14.02 | raziel | blsecres: the specific repo i mean |
| 21:14.13 | abrotman | Schuenemann: tried allow-hotplug wlan0 ? |
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| 21:14.26 | Pendrag0n | th1, this is a vps so it isn't using eth0 and eth1 like usual |
| 21:14.41 | drbobb | th1: yes |
| 21:14.58 | debclair | anyone has installed debian lenny on a hp mini note? |
| 21:15.04 | Schuenemann | abrotman, nope. With or without auto wlan0? (or try both?) |
| 21:15.09 | th1 | drbobb, ok I don't know why that wouldn't work, it should .. I have different problems with hardware raid |
| 21:15.12 | abrotman | without |
| 21:15.14 | th1 | but I think it's some fs corruption |
| 21:15.25 | drbobb | right now i have it booted under the old 2.6.8-10, but that one has a nasty nasty bug |
| 21:15.30 | Pendrag0n | th1 check this out, and see if you can recommend a fix: http://pastebin.com/d10ce47cf |
| 21:15.32 | Schuenemann | ok, will try. brb |
| 21:15.36 | Pendrag0n | I think that was the problem |
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| 21:15.42 | drbobb | i need to upgrade to a newer kernel ASAP |
| 21:16.15 | drbobb | 2.6.26 fails to boot for me though |
| 21:17.08 | th1 | Pendrag0n, yeah it looks like your interfaces are renamed as venet0 etc. I don't know what VPS does/is but maybe it sets up bridging or some such.. you have to check the specific docs |
| 21:17.17 | th1 | but probably you have to use those interface names instead of eth0/eth1 etc. |
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| 21:17.34 | Pendrag0n | yeah, but I don't know which would be which |
| 21:17.37 | drbobb | kernel panic due to no root fs found, 'cause the raid fails to init |
| 21:17.47 | th1 | Pendrag0n, cant you see that from the IP addresses they are assigned? |
| 21:17.52 | Pendrag0n | I was hoping one of you could look at that and suggest the correct 3 lines there on pastebin |
| 21:18.08 | th1 | you haven't pasted the full output of ifconfig |
| 21:18.23 | Pendrag0n | I think venet0 is 127.0.0.1 and venet0:0 is wan |
| 21:18.30 | Caelum | can you use lvm to merge an hd and an sd card into one volume? |
| 21:18.33 | Pendrag0n | u, I thought I did |
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| 21:19.26 | Pendrag0n | yeah, I did, unless there is a way to do ifconfig /all like on windows, ipconfig -all |
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| 21:19.38 | th1 | Pendrag0n, I got to go my copy finished, have to sort my own firefighting issue ;) I'll be back in a while |
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| 21:19.59 | Pendrag0n | ok |
| 21:20.06 | Pendrag0n | I'll just leave the firewall off for now |
| 21:20.06 | juniorsa | Hi, is there an easy way to get a summary of number of processes by user? |
| 21:20.09 | zeta | whats a good program for painlessly getting a screenshot |
| 21:20.22 | Pendrag0n | xfire |
| 21:20.40 | pobega | zeta: import -window root <filename.extension> |
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| 21:21.12 | Spectre | Can you give me an advice, why the keys "1,2,...0" don't work if I have in xorg.conf "XkbRules" "microsoft"? As default it's "xorg". Those keys don't work only in the game called Tremulous. |
| 21:21.33 | Spectre | and if I switch to "microsoft" then I can't switch between keyboard layouts |
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| 21:22.00 | sepult | what's the right way to get acces to /dev/vcs and alike ? |
| 21:22.06 | sepult | as normal user |
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| 21:22.32 | sepult | i already put myself in group tty, but that's not helping |
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| 21:22.50 | part1zan_ | is it hard to make bluetooth work under subj with 2.6.28.4 kernel? |
| 21:23.13 | Mike0x0 | When I upgraded to Lenny I got Firefox (Iceweasel) 3 and installed the media codecs. Now in Firefox I see a black "play" screen where any flash object would be. The flash works, but I have to "play" flash menus, etc. Any idea where this is coming from? |
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| 21:23.27 | drbobb | oh i did read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.upgrading-2.5.3.gz and followed the steps given there, but no luck |
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| 21:24.05 | Hatter | is webmin still hated in here ? |
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| 21:24.14 | ix | webmin, lal |
| 21:24.17 | drbobb | Mike0x0: i think i've seen a firefox extension that does that, perhaps it's installed? |
| 21:24.22 | blsecres | it's pretty universally reviled |
| 21:24.56 | blsecres | adblock, noscript and flashblock will do that, I think flashblock is the one that puts in the play buttons |
| 21:25.04 | Mike0x0 | The flash plugin is called swfdec, but I don't see an option to auto-play. |
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| 21:25.11 | drbobb | flashblock, yes |
| 21:25.14 | NuryFV | hi |
| 21:25.17 | Caelum | Mike0x0: there's gnash too |
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| 21:25.33 | drbobb | gnash==crash ;/ |
| 21:25.40 | Caelum | Mike0x0: or you could just use real flash |
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| 21:25.43 | blsecres | if a website is using flash to draw menus, that's a website you don't want to use |
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| 21:25.59 | AdamDV | !ubuntu |
| 21:25.59 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 21:26.17 | Mike0x0 | blsecres, It was an example. I do want Youtube to load without having to click a half dozen Flash elements, though. |
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| 21:26.34 | Hatter | what can i do to restart a service on a linux box from a windows box ? |
| 21:26.48 | OpenTokix | Mike0x0: you can right click and select "allow flash from this site" in flashblock |
| 21:26.51 | AdamDV | ssh |
| 21:26.57 | Caelum | Hatter: ssh to the linux box using putty, run sudo /etc/init.d/service restart |
| 21:26.58 | Hatter | with a one click shortcut that is, not with putty |
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| 21:27.10 | Hatter | for lame users |
| 21:27.14 | NuryFV | i have a problem whit network manager in debian lenny stable, somebody can help me? |
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| 21:27.19 | OpenTokix | Hatter: I did that with a webpage |
| 21:27.26 | OpenTokix | Hatter: highly insecuyre ofc. |
| 21:27.26 | Caelum | Hatter: write a script using putty or cygwin ssh that does that |
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| 21:27.47 | _abc_ | is there a hal howto page ?! |
| 21:27.52 | Hatter | OpenTokix, insecure, but pretty safe inside a lan |
| 21:27.59 | zeta | is there a program that lets me preview the stuff from alt-tab? |
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| 21:28.06 | NuryFV | i install debian lenny one hour ago, and i install the network manager but i don't see the applet in the panel |
| 21:28.10 | OpenTokix | Hatter: yeah, I did a cgi-bin, ie. sh-script |
| 21:28.15 | OpenTokix | Hatter: simple get and post-thing |
| 21:28.19 | Caelum | zeta: your window manager does that... |
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| 21:28.27 | zeta | Caelum, unfortunately fluxbox doesn't do that.. |
| 21:28.44 | OpenTokix | zeta: change windows-manager then? |
| 21:28.44 | zeta | like it'd be really nice if I can see the queue of the things |
| 21:28.47 | zeta | when I alt-tab |
| 21:28.59 | zeta | well isn't there an external progarm |
| 21:29.00 | orgthingy | NuryFV: install nm-applet |
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| 21:29.00 | zeta | that lets me do that? |
| 21:29.02 | blsecres | won't compiz do that? |
| 21:29.14 | OpenTokix | zeta: google, might know |
| 21:29.21 | NuryFV | ok whait me a second |
| 21:29.42 | zeta | crap i changed my wm to that of xfwm but I can't right click to go back to fluxbox, halp |
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| 21:30.01 | stoned | zeta, fluxbox --replace ? |
| 21:30.04 | stoned | perhaps |
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| 21:30.14 | amphi | zeta: openbox does what you want |
| 21:30.18 | orgthingy | NuryFV: after that, right-click on application menu at gnome-panel..edit menus..then add an item and put the command as "/usr/bin/nm-applet" and name as nm-applet in Intenet section |
| 21:30.21 | stoned | --replace usually works on a number of wms |
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| 21:30.25 | sameerynho | what does sh -e do? |
| 21:30.32 | amphi | zeta: if I understand you correctly |
| 21:30.34 | orgthingy | NuryFV: then go to internet section of applications menu, and click on nm-applet |
| 21:30.35 | stoned | sameerynho, read in the manual! |
| 21:30.36 | stoned | damit |
| 21:30.42 | stoned | amphi, pin |
| 21:30.52 | amphi | pön |
| 21:30.59 | sameerynho | stoned: please i need it |
| 21:31.17 | sameerynho | stoned: i need it right now i don't have time |
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| 21:31.59 | amphi | !hurry |
| 21:31.59 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
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| 21:32.16 | th1 | sameerynho, "man bash" |
| 21:32.26 | zeta | amphi, openbox? |
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| 21:34.52 | orgthingy | th1: info bash, as well |
| 21:35.01 | th1 | orgthingy, man will show what -e does ;) |
| 21:35.22 | th1 | wonders if sameerynho is doing an exam paper or something |
| 21:35.28 | th1 | and if so, if we should be helping at all :) |
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| 21:36.01 | sameerynho | th1: i find it thanks |
| 21:36.04 | zeta | does openbox give me the alt-tab ability? |
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| 21:36.41 | th1 | sameerynho, no prob :) please rtfm before you ask |
| 21:37.02 | keith4 | heh... the manpage for sh is almost 5000 lines |
| 21:37.03 | keith4 | i love it |
| 21:37.09 | sameerynho | th1 : i know that but i have running out of time here |
| 21:37.27 | NuryFV | orgthingy: i did that but don't happen anything |
| 21:37.33 | th1 | sameerynho, doing an exam or something? ;) |
| 21:37.34 | NuryFV | something happen, when i run nm-applet in the terminal, th applet appear in the panel |
| 21:37.36 | NuryFV | but only if i run in the terminal |
| 21:37.50 | orgthingy | th1 : i find it amusing that debian user doesnt know such basic stuff |
| 21:37.57 | themill | sameerynho: zcat /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz | nroff -man | grep -- -e .... but it would be easier to just type /-e in man bash. |
| 21:37.59 | sameerynho | th1 no trying to fix a big problem |
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| 21:38.19 | orgthingy | NuryFV: but the problem is that if you close terminal, itll close with it |
| 21:38.25 | orgthingy | thats why i told you to do it the gui way |
| 21:38.43 | orgthingy | if not, then do this (after being root) "apt-get install screen && screen nm-applet" |
| 21:38.44 | th1 | orgthingy, well .. I find it more weird ;) |
| 21:38.50 | orgthingy | sudo -i to be root, or su |
| 21:39.05 | NuryFV | orgthingy: i did that you say but don't work |
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| 21:39.23 | keith4 | sameerynho: http://lmgtfy.com/?q="bash -e" |
| 21:39.26 | amphi | zeta: with a little box with icons of windows? yes |
| 21:39.30 | orgthingy | NuryFV: i use wicd btw, but this way should work |
| 21:39.44 | NuryFV | mmm ok wait me a second |
| 21:39.50 | zeta | amphi, is openbox like another WM? |
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| 21:39.59 | zeta | and yes htat's the behaviour i would like |
| 21:40.15 | jelly-home | keith4: mhm, make that space a %20 to make the whole url clickable |
| 21:40.26 | th1 | btw *congratulations* to all for release of Lenny, and thanks for dedicating it to my friend Thiemo Seufer |
| 21:40.50 | keith4 | jelly-home: that's left as an exercise to the reader |
| 21:40.58 | amphi | zeta: yes - apt-cache show openbox will tell you a little about it |
| 21:41.16 | jelly-home | keith4: tease. |
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| 21:42.14 | Schuenemann | abrotman, not very lucky |
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| 21:43.03 | Schuenemann | abrotman, strange is that it worked in 1st and 3rd boots, but not in the rest (about 5 in total). Those messages about DHCP not answered did not appear too |
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| 21:44.58 | sameerynho | stew : i solve it |
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| 21:45.22 | pothibo | anyone using gulus.sherbrooke.ca repositery? I can't get that source to update |
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| 21:47.15 | pothibo | also this http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Release isn't working.. |
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| 21:48.41 | OpenTokix | pothibo: works for me, maybe your dns is pooch? |
| 21:48.42 | th1 | anyone know if that cluster thing Postgres warning during etch-> lenny upgrade means anything if I'm not using clustering? |
| 21:49.29 | extor | Which one has better support for windows as a guest os: Qemu, KVM or Xen? |
| 21:49.46 | OpenTokix | extor: virtualbox |
| 21:49.56 | drbobb | guys i still need help with making my md raid arrays work after upgrading to lenny |
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| 21:49.57 | extor | OpenTokix, oooh that's even better? |
| 21:50.08 | zu22 | i am having trouble getting image centered, it is centered horizontally but not vertically |
| 21:50.14 | zu22 | it is the image on my website: www.jesujuva.org |
| 21:50.27 | keith4 | zu22: what does this have to do with debian? |
| 21:50.37 | drbobb | extor: i use virtualbox2.1 to run windows, works great |
| 21:50.48 | OpenTokix | extor: Less crappy is the word you are looking for |
| 21:51.01 | drbobb | (and a no-brainer to get working) |
| 21:51.02 | OpenTokix | extor: it's still slow as... I dont know what |
| 21:51.04 | extor | drbobb, had a chance to compare virtualbox with VMWARE by chance? |
| 21:51.12 | extor | OpenTokix, have you run VMWARE? |
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| 21:51.19 | keith4 | drbobb: what's wrong with your raid? |
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| 21:51.26 | pothibo | OpenTokix: could be |
| 21:51.32 | OpenTokix | extor: yeah, it's also nice |
| 21:51.41 | pothibo | yeah.. |
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| 21:51.43 | drbobb | extor: not really, i tried virtualbox and saw no need to look further |
| 21:51.50 | pothibo | has a running instance of winXP on vbox right now |
| 21:52.15 | drbobb | keith4: can't boot lenny's kernel, raid arrays fail to init |
| 21:52.27 | keith4 | what raid level? |
| 21:52.32 | drbobb | raid1 |
| 21:52.56 | keith4 | grub in MBR? |
| 21:53.02 | drbobb | yep |
| 21:53.10 | locality | should i run kde or gnome? ;( |
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| 21:53.23 | drbobb | booting halts while in initrd |
| 21:53.30 | keith4 | what does it say? |
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| 21:53.53 | drbobb | no devices for root fs, or something like that |
| 21:53.57 | AckerMANn-Sabin | hello |
| 21:53.59 | AckerMANn-Sabin | I need help |
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| 21:54.03 | jamesstanley | I just upgraded exim4. It asked me if I wanted to overwrite some config file. The default was no, so I went with no. I've now been informed _after_ having made my choice that the only thing you can do is allow it to overwrite the config file. Does anyone know what I can do to go back and let it change the file? |
| 21:54.12 | AckerMANn-Sabin | i have ffmpeg installed on my server and I have this error |
| 21:54.18 | AckerMANn-Sabin | echo /usr/bin/ffmpeg: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.52: undefined symbol: av_gcd |
| 21:54.24 | AckerMANn-Sabin | without echo |
| 21:54.25 | keith4 | jamesstanley: dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 21:54.35 | drbobb | i have no logs of those boot attempts, obviously |
| 21:54.39 | AckerMANn-Sabin | who can help me pls. |
| 21:54.47 | jamesstanley | keith4: I'll try, but iirc it just complained that it wasn't fully installed yet |
| 21:54.59 | jamesstanley | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4-config is broken or not fully installe |
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| 21:55.21 | keith4 | drbobb: check hda vs sda... i had some trouble with that |
| 21:55.30 | jamesstanley | installing it comes up with a complaint about a malformed macro definition |
| 21:55.37 | jamesstanley | and tells me i should have allowed the conffile change |
| 21:55.39 | ReKlipz | I'm having issues getting a custom udev rule and pam to play nicely. I'm following the guide found here: http://piklab.sourceforge.net/files/libusb_udev_hotplug.txt |
| 21:55.47 | drbobb | i dist-upgraded everything to lenny, but can't boot the new kernel |
| 21:55.56 | stew | jamesstanley: so you need to replace all the exim4 conffiles or just 1? |
| 21:56.03 | jamesstanley | just 1 |
| 21:56.05 | drbobb | the old one works but has a really nasty bug |
| 21:56.09 | ReKlipz | basically, the pam isn't changing the permissions... |
| 21:56.42 | drbobb | keith4: not the issue, this is a scsi system, never had any ide drives |
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| 21:57.28 | paxcoder | how's new testing working out for you? |
| 21:57.29 | keith4 | drbobb: what kernel? |
| 21:57.51 | drbobb | 2.6.26-1-amd64 fails |
| 21:58.17 | drbobb | 2.6.8-10-em64t-p4 works, but is buggy |
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| 21:59.16 | jelly-home | drbobb: there're also 2.6.18 and 2.6.24 kenrels in etch |
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| 21:59.50 | drbobb | i *think* the issue may relate to udev |
| 21:59.55 | jelly-home | drbobb: did you upgrade from sarge? |
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| 22:00.01 | drbobb | but i can't pinpoint it |
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| 22:00.25 | jelly-home | 2.6.8 is rather old |
| 22:00.42 | drbobb | jelly-home: sure it is |
| 22:00.57 | drbobb | but it was early etch (afair) |
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| 22:02.10 | drbobb | jelly-home: it's a fileserver that spends its time locked in a closet, there was no need to touch it while it worked |
| 22:02.12 | Schuenemann | is anyone using openjdk with iceweasel sucessfully? |
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| 22:02.17 | Schuenemann | successfully* |
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| 22:03.55 | keith4 | Schuenemann: are you taking a poll? |
| 22:04.13 | Schuenemann | keith4, heh, no. Want to know how to do it |
| 22:04.17 | keith4 | put me down for "not using it successfully" (or unsuccessfully) |
| 22:04.28 | Schuenemann | :-/ |
| 22:05.08 | Schuenemann | keith4, are you using sun's jvm? |
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| 22:05.36 | keith4 | Schuenemann: yep |
| 22:05.43 | acu | guys, I want to uninstall krfb (since it sucks and x11vnc is working) - how can I do that - if I try to unistall krfb from synaptic package manager, it forces me to uninstall the whole kde ? |
| 22:06.10 | Schuenemann | keith4, I have it working with Ubuntu/Firefox. It's a good sign I guess |
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| 22:06.35 | acu | I wonder how krfb made it at all into lenny - is actually not functional - the frustration is that I cannot uninstall it |
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| 22:08.08 | Caelum | where does icedove keep its data? |
| 22:08.12 | Caelum | there's no ~/.icedove |
| 22:08.24 | foetus | basical question -- what are posix aio and coss (compiling squid) and what they are doing? |
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| 22:10.12 | OpenTokix | Caelum: .mozilla/firefox |
| 22:10.19 | OpenTokix | Caelum: sorry |
| 22:10.36 | OpenTokix | Caelum: in .mozilla-thunderbird |
| 22:10.43 | OpenTokix | Caelum: my brain is fried =) |
| 22:10.53 | Caelum | OpenTokix: thank you very much |
| 22:11.28 | pothibo | where's the official sources list of debian ? |
| 22:11.35 | drbobb | ok let me ask this way: can i disable udev at boot time, to check whether that's the issue affecting my raid? |
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| 22:11.53 | blade_ | hi all |
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| 22:12.43 | pothibo | nvm I'll use ftp.debian.org |
| 22:12.44 | KC | are there any linux programs for converting pdf files in to the mobi format? |
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| 22:13.02 | blade_ | someone know issue with fglrx ati driver if once started x-server and i shutdown gdm i get black screen ? |
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| 22:13.41 | paxcoder | what's that prog that draws things on disk as boxes or whatnot to show what takes how much space? |
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| 22:13.55 | jelly-home | drbobb: you can't really boot a debian kernel without udev, it's used in the initramfs image itself |
| 22:14.21 | Rat409 | paxcoder: filelight maybe ? |
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| 22:14.27 | b1n42y | can anyone confirm openoffice 3 as being 99% bug free |
| 22:14.43 | paxcoder | Rat409: will do I guess, thx |
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| 22:15.15 | jelly-home | b1n42y: no one can confirm you won't stumble onto that 1% |
| 22:15.18 | drbobb | jelly-home: so, i have no idea how to debug my problem |
| 22:15.47 | blade_ | someone can help me please i hafe a problem with fglrx driver |
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| 22:16.22 | b1n42y | jelly-home: mmm should i stick with whats in the repos or go 3 in your humble opinion? |
| 22:16.40 | jelly-home | drbobb: me neither; I'd ask the kernel people (#debian-kernel on irc.debian.org) or the installer people (#debian-boot same network) |
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| 22:17.11 | jelly-home | drbobb: however I would also try how the etch kernels fare |
| 22:17.29 | jelly-home | b1n42y: no opinion on that matter, sorry |
| 22:17.48 | b1n42y | jelly-home: no probs |
| 22:17.50 | drbobb | jelly-home: once again, a pre-udev kernel works ok in this respect |
| 22:17.54 | jamesstanley | If I didn't accept a config file update when I upgraded exim4, and I now decide that I have changed my mind and I want to accept it, how would I do that? |
| 22:18.09 | drbobb | (but i find it to be unusably buggy otherwise) |
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| 22:18.26 | dondelelcaro | jamesstanley: generallyy you'll find it as .dpkg-new |
| 22:18.32 | jamesstanley | where? |
| 22:18.37 | jelly-home | drbobb: there're way too many changes from 2.6.8 to blame udev |
| 22:18.47 | dondelelcaro | jamesstanley: in the same location as the original config file |
| 22:18.56 | jamesstanley | dpkg-dist! thanks! |
| 22:19.17 | jamesstanley | woo! thanks a lot dondelelcaro |
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| 22:20.37 | flixporty | hello smart people, anyone willing to help with mdadm |
| 22:20.44 | gynterk | does up /path/to/script also work in /etc/network/interfaces like pre-up ? |
| 22:20.52 | dondelelcaro | flixporty: best to just ask your question |
| 22:20.56 | dondelelcaro | gynterk: yes |
| 22:21.22 | gynterk | must pre-up added before other directives and up as last? |
| 22:21.24 | flixporty | i have software stripping with mdadm, i accedently deleted the superblock of one of the partitions |
| 22:21.31 | dondelelcaro | gynterk: doesn't matter |
| 22:21.33 | flixporty | can i add the partiotion back to the array |
| 22:21.38 | dondelelcaro | gynterk: you can have multiple ones. man 5 interfaces; for details |
| 22:21.56 | gynterk | is it possible that you read my mind? |
| 22:22.40 | dondelelcaro | flixporty: it's possible, but I wouldn't bet on it |
| 22:22.52 | acu | I want to uninstall krfb and it forces me to uninstall kde too - can I avoid that? If yes how ? |
| 22:23.08 | flixporty | i just need the correct block written nothing more, i havent touched the fs itself |
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| 22:23.21 | dondelelcaro | flixporty: I'd first try to assemble the array in read-only mode without reference to the superblock |
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| 22:26.27 | Rothgar` | Anyone know when debian-unofficial ports will be available for Lenny? |
| 22:26.38 | dondelelcaro | Rothgar`: you bean debian-backports? |
| 22:26.43 | Rothgar` | Nope |
| 22:26.48 | Rothgar` | debian-unofficial.org |
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| 22:26.58 | Rothgar` | I have backports |
| 22:27.35 | abrotman | Rothgar`: what are you looking to get out of there? |
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| 22:28.01 | Rothgar` | 3dm2 port 3ware RAID monitoring utilities |
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| 22:29.14 | prahal | hi have you managed to get amixer working with pulseaudio ? the acpi scripts use amixer -q 'Master' 2- unmute but 2- does nothing to pulseaudio (5%- works .... but what if one does not want to carry a patch to acpi scripts forever ?) |
| 22:29.35 | gynterk | dondelelcaro, I should suffix "|| true" without " " right? |
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| 22:29.42 | abrotman | Rothgar`: AFAICT .. it has only one depends .. |
| 22:29.45 | prahal | this is on debian sid/experimental (so latest acpid/scripts and amixer/pulseaudio) |
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| 22:30.44 | Schuenemann | abrotman, hey, I tried what you suggested me |
| 22:30.53 | Rothgar` | abrotman: I just want the latest version and available through the package management |
| 22:30.58 | Schuenemann | abrotman, strange is that it worked in 1st and 3rd boots, but not in the rest (about 5 in total). Those messages about DHCP not answered did not appear too |
| 22:31.03 | abrotman | Schuenemann: sorry, conf call |
| 22:31.24 | abrotman | Rothgar`: you could try the sid version .. it's already unofficial .. what could possibly go wrong |
| 22:31.38 | abrotman | Schuenemann: still sounds to me like the device isn't totally ready |
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| 22:32.22 | Schuenemann | abrotman, I don't know what to do |
| 22:32.38 | prahal | or could this be a bug in acpid scripts ? |
| 22:32.43 | Schuenemann | abrotman, I think it might be better if I simply put those commands in a startup script and forget /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:34.04 | Rothgar` | abrotman: I don't see it in sid? |
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| 22:35.15 | Rothgar` | At least not on the website |
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| 22:41.53 | arezey | why isn't d3lphin in squeeze anymore? |
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| 22:42.23 | bwlang | how does one restart init? |
| 22:43.00 | bwlang | i know it's possible because packages like libc do it and I'd like to avoid a reboot. |
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| 22:43.20 | jamesstanley | bwlang: shutdown now |
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| 22:44.59 | jelly-home | bwlang: "init q" makes it reread inittab |
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| 22:48.30 | bwlang | jamesstanley: thanks - that's EXACTLY what i was looking for. Here's a cool one for your rm -rf / - will cause all kind of lights to flicker on your pc. |
| 22:48.34 | bwlang | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 23:11.08 | _abc_ | bwlang man telinit |
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| 23:13.13 | grummund | hi, i'm running etch and did apt-upgrade and it's eaten my wlan0 |
| 23:13.54 | grummund | i think it did a kernel upgrade, however the grub menu only lists one kernel still so i don't know how to go back |
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| 23:14.16 | grummund | any ideas pls? |
| 23:14.23 | sepult | update-grub |
| 23:14.33 | grummund | yep. done that |
| 23:14.37 | sepult | in order for grub to find the new one |
| 23:14.41 | bwlang | grummund: i think you're stuck. |
| 23:14.47 | sepult | or if it is not found |
| 23:14.56 | grummund | there's only one vmlinuz... in /boot |
| 23:15.00 | sepult | then maybe you didn't copy over your new bzImage to /boot |
| 23:15.01 | bwlang | grummund: better to spend your time figuring out how to get your wlan0 working again. |
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| 23:15.15 | abrotman | grummund: what is your wifi card? |
| 23:15.27 | sepult | don't overwrite it name it differently |
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| 23:15.51 | sepult | did you do a make install as last step to kernel compile ? |
| 23:16.03 | abrotman | sepult: make install? debian? |
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| 23:16.15 | abrotman | thinks sepult is lost |
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| 23:16.19 | sepult | aaaaaah |
| 23:16.28 | abrotman | grummund: if you want to see which kernels are installed, look in /boot/ |
| 23:16.29 | sepult | you mean the debian way |
| 23:16.29 | sepult | ok |
| 23:16.59 | sepult | and why are you so sure he is using the debian way ? |
| 23:17.10 | grummund | abrotman: it's an atheros. i did have it working with madwifi i built from source some time ago, but then a while back i tried out the etchnhalf kernel - that screwed up ath0, when i uninstalled etchnhalf wlan0 started working so i left it that way |
| 23:17.31 | abrotman | !ath5k |
| 23:17.32 | dpkg | ath5k is probably a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx wireless LAN chipsets. It is a new driver under heavy development. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k and http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/About/ath5k for more information. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See also <wireless tree>. |
| 23:17.34 | grummund | now wlan0 seems to have dissapeared |
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| 23:18.57 | grummund | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 is all that's installed right now |
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| 23:19.07 | _abc_ | according to the bsd people some wlan drivers in linux were 'freed' from their bsd license and re-released under gpl. interesting. |
| 23:19.16 | stoned | ura |
| 23:19.20 | stoned | oops |
| 23:19.46 | _abc_ | stoned don't be what your nick says you are |
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| 23:20.01 | abrotman | _abc_: it's gone both ways .. |
| 23:20.14 | _abc_ | abrotman: one can say they 'migle' |
| 23:20.14 | debianista | good day, could somebody please help me with grub reinstallation? |
| 23:20.25 | abrotman | migle indeed |
| 23:20.27 | stoned | that was already in my buffer and I hadn't realized it |
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| 23:20.37 | stoned | but I'm a bit pissed, so go fuck yourself |
| 23:20.41 | stoned | no disrespect meant. |
| 23:20.41 | abrotman | stoned: stop |
| 23:20.50 | _abc_ | fwiw i have to use ndis with an ath5k hardware that is supposed to be supported |
| 23:20.53 | _abc_ | ymmv |
| 23:21.15 | grummund | abrotman: i was hoping not to have to build a driver from source... |
| 23:21.18 | _abc_ | and migle has a 'n' in it usually |
| 23:21.29 | abrotman | grummund: i didn't say you did .. did you see what the bot said? |
| 23:21.31 | CentHOGG | Hi, how do you rename the mounts that appear on the desktop? The names are ok it's just that I don't need to see that xtra info on how big the partition size is. Thx |
| 23:21.37 | abrotman | if you have an etchnhalf kernel, it should be there |
| 23:21.44 | stoned | CentHOGG, which desktop? |
| 23:21.47 | CentHOGG | gnome |
| 23:22.01 | stoned | no idea!, can't you just rename the shortcut thingy by f2? |
| 23:22.03 | grummund | abrotman: ethchnhalf breaks other things ;-/ |
| 23:22.04 | stoned | or right click |
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| 23:22.14 | grummund | oh well |
| 23:22.17 | abrotman | grummund: uname -r says what ? |
| 23:22.29 | grummund | Linux sir 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sat Dec 27 09:31:05 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:22.33 | CentHOGG | stoned: yeah I looked but all I can do with the mounts is open or unmount |
| 23:22.39 | grummund | maybe i should upgrade to lenny? |
| 23:22.42 | abrotman | grummund: that's not etchnhalf |
| 23:22.49 | grummund | abrotman: yes i know |
| 23:22.58 | CentHOGG | lemme go try F2 |
| 23:22.58 | abrotman | look at your aptitude/dpkg logs and see wghat you installed |
| 23:22.58 | CentHOGG | brb |
| 23:23.08 | debianista | when i do the find /boot/grub/stage1 i get Error 15: File not found |
| 23:23.10 | stoned | CentHOGG, irc.gnome.org #gnome ? |
| 23:23.18 | grummund | abrotman: i uninstalled etchnhalf because it broke other things, like sound not working |
| 23:23.18 | abrotman | #gnome-debian |
| 23:23.21 | stoned | its probably configurable though gconf or soemthing |
| 23:23.38 | stoned | some weird little mundane setting somewhere |
| 23:23.47 | CentHOGG | nah didin't work |
| 23:24.11 | grummund | abrotman: wlan0 was working until the latest apt-upgrade |
| 23:25.44 | debianista | little help with grub reinstallation please |
| 23:25.53 | themill | grummund: with a new kernel you might need to reconfigure alsa, but it's highly unlikely that sound wouldn't work at all with the etchnhalf kernel. |
| 23:25.59 | stoned | CentHOGG, look into the gnome-vfs2 package |
| 23:26.12 | dorkkkkk | how can you boot with a broken grub? |
| 23:26.24 | grummund | themill: etchnhalf is missing the driver for my sound chipset, afaict |
| 23:26.25 | debianista | im in a livecd dorkkkkk |
| 23:26.45 | themill | grummund: what's the pciid? (lspci -nn) |
| 23:27.04 | dorkkkkk | for grub2, grub-install command should copy the files again |
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| 23:27.36 | debianista | i tried using find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 23:27.41 | grummund | themill: 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] [1013:6003] (rev 01) |
| 23:27.44 | debianista | but i just get file not found |
| 23:27.48 | stoned | gnome uses the label if there is one available (also for unmounted partition), if there is no label, use the hal info |
| 23:27.54 | themill | judd pciid 1013:6003 |
| 23:27.55 | judd | themill: [1013:6003] is 'CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]' from 'Cirrus Logic' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=1013:6003 |
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| 23:28.30 | dorkkkkk | it may update that file as well |
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| 23:29.15 | grummund | Hmmm, looks like my options are 1) install etchnhalf kernel to get ath5k but lose support for sound, 2) build ath5k from source, 3) upgrade to lenny |
| 23:29.22 | debianista | dorkkkkk: sudo grub-install --rootdirectory=/boot /dev/sda ? |
| 23:29.57 | themill | judd pciid 1013:6003 --release etch |
| 23:29.57 | judd | themill: [1013:6003] is 'CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]' from 'Cirrus Logic' with kernel module 'snd-cs46xx' in etch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=1013:6003 |
| 23:30.08 | dorkkkkk | i guess... |
| 23:30.09 | grummund | and yet it worked before apt-upgrade ;-( <grump> |
| 23:30.18 | themill | grummund: that's really weird. Do you know why the module went walkies from the kernel? |
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| 23:30.26 | dorkkkkk | it should find the root dir itself as well |
| 23:30.27 | debianista | it only shows the grub-install help |
| 23:30.29 | grummund | themill: no idea |
| 23:30.42 | _grn_ | hey, does anyone know a gtk process manager? |
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| 23:31.26 | themill | grummund: yay firmware. See #464197 |
| 23:31.30 | themill | !dbugs 464197 |
| 23:31.34 | dpkg | #464197:W[linux-2.6] snd-cs46xx.ko module seems to be missing from linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 (help wontfix); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:36:01 UTC [455092 462035 468151 476672 477409 493924 493926] |
| 23:32.05 | grummund | themill: does that mean it's gone for good? |
| 23:32.18 | dorkkkkk | don't specify the root dir |
| 23:32.38 | dorkkkkk | and while you're at it, read the help as well :) |
| 23:32.45 | themill | grummund: it is until someone does the work of separating out the firmware and making it into a separately loadable package. |
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| 23:33.10 | grummund | ;-( |
| 23:33.49 | debianista | damn it doesn't work |
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| 23:34.29 | dorkkkkk | what happened to the grub there |
| 23:34.32 | debianista | dorkkkkk: it's that i just installed windows in my first partition |
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| 23:35.21 | dorkkkkk | oh. |
| 23:35.25 | debianista | so the first partition was formated |
| 23:35.31 | debianista | and i lost the grub |
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| 23:36.14 | dorkkkkk | then you could try grub-setup |
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| 23:36.29 | dorkkkkk | all the files in /boot should be intact anyway |
| 23:36.59 | debianista | let me try |
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| 23:37.09 | dorkkkkk | i'm just not sure how this would work from the cd |
| 23:37.56 | dorkkkkk | you probably have to specify the root device |
| 23:38.06 | debianista | wait i have to update |
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| 23:39.13 | debianista | hey dorkkkkk and using the debian 5 CD can i restore grub more easily? |
| 23:39.52 | dorkkkkk | no idea. probably depends on the grub version you have on your drive |
| 23:40.26 | debianista | i used to have grub2 |
| 23:40.29 | dorkkkkk | does your cd offer a grub menu when booting? |
| 23:40.41 | grummund | themill: do you think i could build the sound driver from source so i can stick with debian stock kernels to get ath5k, or would it be easier to stay with the 2.6.18 i have and compile ath5k from source? |
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| 23:41.04 | debianista | haven't tried |
| 23:41.05 | varlon | hi, does exists some packege for debian like as CamSpace? |
| 23:41.13 | debianista | wait, let me try the grub-setup thing |
| 23:42.21 | dorkkkkk | i wonder if it is possible to chainload grub or something from the windows loader |
| 23:43.06 | grummund | i think perhaps i should keep the currently installed kernel and go fetch ath5k... (?) |
| 23:44.04 | themill | grummund: possibly. Grabbing alsa packages prior to 1.0.17.dfsg-1 might be the easiest approach. That might work for etchnhalf for you. Or get alsa from snapshot.debian.net if you go to lenny. |
| 23:44.05 | debianista | dunno |
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| 23:44.58 | grummund | themill: i don't understand enough about alsa... |
| 23:45.23 | grummund | themill: that includes the kernel module for my sound chip set? |
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| 23:45.57 | themill | grummund: it would, if it hadn't been removed from there to in version 1.0.17.dfsg-1 for the same reasons it was removed from the kernel. |
| 23:46.12 | grummund | themill: ok thanks |
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| 23:46.46 | monkey_d_luffy | Does anyone knows what's the status with 802.11n in Debian? What NICs are supported? |
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| 23:47.48 | extor | Which is the debian recommended solution for windows virtualization, Xen, VirtualBox, KVM? |
| 23:48.00 | beered | What repo I have to add to sources to be able to install Gallery2? It's a farily standard app. I'm running Lenny. |
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| 23:50.26 | _shadow_ | I haven't heard too much of anyone using Xen except RedHat and Novell. Personally I think VBox works much better. |
| 23:50.28 | beered | What do I need in apt.sources to install Gallery2? It's a fairly standard app. I'm on Lenny. |
| 23:50.48 | beered | I have deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 23:50.56 | themill | judd versions gallery2 |
| 23:50.57 | judd | themill: gallery2 -- etch: 2.1.2-2.0.etch.1 etch-security: 2.1.2-2.0.etch.1 sid: 2.3-1 squeeze: 2.3-1 |
| 23:51.02 | beered | and apt search for Gallery2 gives me nothing. |
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| 23:51.29 | themill | beered: gallery2 isn't in lenny because it's a buggy PoS. Given it's a simple PHP app, you could try the squeeze package or just grab the upstream source. |
| 23:51.33 | azeem | beered: apparently gallery2 wasn't fit for release with lenny |
| 23:52.03 | themill | beered: in any case, you should find out *why* it's not in lenny from the debian package trackings system. |
| 23:52.14 | beered | I don't want to go trough dep. hell |
| 23:52.27 | beered | dependecy |
| 23:52.35 | _shadow_ | lol |
| 23:52.39 | _shadow_ | no one does |
| 23:52.44 | themill | judd depends gallery2 --release squeeze |
| 23:52.44 | judd | themill: gallery2 -- Depends: apache2 | apache-ssl | apache-perl | apache | httpd, php5 | php5-cgi | libapache-mod-php5 | libapache2-mod-php5 | php4 | php4-cgi | libapache-mod-php4 | libapache2-mod-php4, netpbm (>= 9.20) | imagemagick, debconf (>= 0.2.26) | debconf-2.0, mysql-client | postgresql-client, wwwconfig-common, php5-mysql | php4-mysql | php5-pgsql | php4-pgsql, smarty, libphp-adodb |
| 23:52.46 | jelly-home | beered: is security hell an acceptable replacement? |
| 23:53.02 | themill | jelly-home: we're talking about gallery2 here... :P |
| 23:53.07 | beered | judd: thanks. |
| 23:53.07 | judd | beered: Error: "thanks." is not a valid command. |
| 23:53.12 | jelly-home | themill: swhy I ask. |
| 23:53.13 | beered | judd: thanks |
| 23:53.14 | judd | beered: Error: "thanks" is not a valid command. |
| 23:53.18 | stew | judd: build-dep gallery2 --release squeeze |
| 23:53.19 | judd | stew: gallery2 -- BuildDepends: debhelper (>= 5) |
| 23:53.37 | th1 | wants a way to run php scripts inside a virtual machine |
| 23:53.47 | th1 | with decent performance.. |
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| 23:54.04 | pl4yer0ne | good for th1 |
| 23:54.06 | th1 | because most php coders have no idea what security is |
| 23:54.06 | debianista | hey dorkkkkk, i tried the grub-setup thing |
| 23:54.11 | themill | stew: "build"? All it does is copy files around in debian/rules. I'd barely be tempted to actually rebuild the .deb. |
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| 23:54.21 | dorkkkkk | yea? |
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| 23:54.34 | jelly-home | th1: suPHP might be an acceptable way to limit the exposure for you |
| 23:54.39 | debianista | apparently didn't work |
| 23:54.43 | pl4yer0ne | wants debian to play DX10 games =D |
| 23:54.50 | dorkkkkk | what happened |
| 23:55.05 | debianista | i did grub-setup /dev/sda |
| 23:55.18 | themill | Nice, gallery2 was removed from lenny at the request of the security team precisely because it's a buggy PoS with a poor reputation and it's really difficult to backport fixes. So why is it in squeeze now? |
| 23:55.18 | debianista | so i get segmentation fail |
| 23:55.20 | th1 | jelly-home, it looks like it could help but can it chroot as well as change uid? |
| 23:55.44 | dorkkkkk | huh |
| 23:55.47 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me why trying to install php5 wants to install apache2 prefork and remove apache2 worker? |
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| 23:56.25 | dorkkkkk | gelp says that it needs a grub device |
| 23:56.45 | debianista | grub device? |
| 23:57.10 | dorkkkkk | check grub-setup --help |
| 23:57.29 | jelly-home | mischief6: php supposedly isn't thread-safe |
| 23:57.32 | debianista | :O i see |
| 23:57.45 | dorkkkkk | takes 'em from the device map file and i have no idea if that is present/updated in your system |
| 23:57.56 | mischief6 | damnit, isn't there any way to use php5 with apache2 worker? :'( |
| 23:57.58 | th1 | php5 is not thread safe? |
| 23:58.00 | dorkkkkk | did you install the grub somehow in the live environment? |
| 23:58.15 | th1 | mischief6, then probably only with CGI interface :) |
| 23:58.19 | grummund | themill: sorry to bother you... can i just clarify what you meant by "Grabbing alsa packages prior to 1.0.17.dfsg-1 might be the easiest approach." ? |
| 23:58.29 | debianista | :S |
| 23:58.43 | grummund | themill: do you mean get the debian source package? |
| 23:58.52 | dorkkkkk | no worries, it should be present on your drive |
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| 23:59.06 | grummund | # dpkg -s alsa-base | grep Version |
| 23:59.06 | grummund | Version: 1.0.13-5etch1 |
| 23:59.23 | themill | grummund: there is a package "alsa-source" that allows you to build alsa modules for your kernel. If you have a version of alsa-source prior to that version, it should contain the sound module you are looking for. |
| 23:59.31 | debianista | i remember that install grub used to be so easy |
| 23:59.39 | grummund | themill: ah right. thanks |
| 23:59.41 | debianista | but now, i dunno why is hard |
| 23:59.56 | dorkkkkk | check for /boot/grub/device.map on your hard drive |