| 00:00.09 | beered | How do I find info about a package that is not installed on my machine using command line? |
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| 00:00.28 | themill | beered: what info? |
| 00:00.30 | dorkkkkk | it's not hard actually, at least not if you are running a system itself :P |
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| 00:00.52 | lewis2 | How can I ensure that php extensions are loaded when I run 'php' from the command line? |
| 00:00.55 | debianista | dorkkkkk: http://pastebin.com/m4815b4f8 |
| 00:01.08 | beered | dorkkkkk: short description about the package, its version etc. |
| 00:01.11 | lewis2 | at the moment, the extensions work through apache but not from cli... any ideas? |
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| 00:01.28 | themill | lewis2: what do you mean by "ensure". Check if the are loaded or make sure they are always loaded? |
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| 00:01.45 | lewis2 | themill: I know it isn't loaded, I want it to load ;) |
| 00:01.46 | azeem | I'm trying to mount my /home via NFSv4 to another box, using sec=sys, not Kerberos. The mounting works, and the file ownerships nad permissions are ok and both mount on the client and /var/lib/nfs/etab on the server indicate "rw", but if I want to touch/create a file I get "permission denied" |
| 00:01.51 | azeem | anybody got an idea where to look for hints? |
| 00:01.55 | beered | what was the command to tar -cvf package.tar to a certain/directory? |
| 00:02.06 | lewis2 | themill: my script (which relies on an extension) works from apache, but complains of the missing extension when run from cli |
| 00:02.13 | dorkkkkk | okay, should be fine. sda is your hard drive? |
| 00:02.23 | debianista | yeap |
| 00:02.40 | jelly-home | beered: tar cfv /certain/directory/package.tar stuff to archive |
| 00:02.46 | dorkkkkk | do you have the same version of grub on the cd as well? |
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| 00:02.58 | debianista | honestly i dont know |
| 00:03.09 | debianista | my original instalation was grub2 |
| 00:03.13 | themill | lewis2: cli php is configured through /etc/php5/cli/*. The configuration snippets for loading debian-supplied modules are, by default, all the same for both the cli and apache modules though. |
| 00:03.15 | beered | jelly-home: that unarchives to the existing dir. |
| 00:03.23 | dorkkkkk | try grub-setup -V |
| 00:03.29 | lewis2 | ahhhhh |
| 00:03.38 | DavidSev | Hi. Who do I speak to about an insecure-package thats being exploited? |
| 00:03.41 | lewis2 | so I need to add the extension line to /etc/php5/cli/* |
| 00:03.50 | debianista | grub-setup (GRUB) 1.96 |
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| 00:04.01 | themill | lewis2: if it's a debian-packaged extension you shouldn't need to |
| 00:04.01 | abrotman | DavidSev: which package? which version of debian? |
| 00:04.02 | dorkkkkk | it's grub2 allright |
| 00:04.12 | themill | lewis2: what extension and how have you installed it? |
| 00:04.12 | lewis2 | themill: it isn't ;) |
| 00:04.13 | debianista | 1.96 |
| 00:04.17 | lewis2 | ioncube loader |
| 00:04.19 | DavidSev | abrotman: tremulous-server, all the ones that have it |
| 00:04.26 | jelly-home | beered: tar c definitely doesn't unarchive. |
| 00:04.32 | abrotman | DavidSev: did you notify upstream? |
| 00:04.41 | beered | jelly-home: its a -C |
| 00:04.58 | DavidSev | yep. fixed ages ago |
| 00:05.06 | dorkkkkk | okay, you should specify -d, -m and -r to be sure |
| 00:05.16 | themill | lewis2: if you put the load line in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/yourextension.ini then you'll make the extension available to both mod_php and cli. |
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| 00:05.35 | debianista | dorkkkkk: ¿? |
| 00:05.37 | abrotman | DavidSev: you could contact the maintainer, or the debian-security team |
| 00:05.46 | abrotman | DavidSev: is there a CVE for it? |
| 00:05.48 | jelly-home | beered: oh. I've no idea what capital C does. |
| 00:05.49 | lewis2 | smart guy |
| 00:05.52 | karsten | To blacklist a kernel module, say, the forcedeth nVidia kernel crashing module: echo 'blacklist forcedeth' >> /etc/modprobe.conf ? |
| 00:05.52 | dorkkkkk | for the grub-setup. see help again |
| 00:06.12 | DavidSev | abrotman: no CVE or anything, I'll try to get hold of the maintainer |
| 00:06.15 | DavidSev | thanks |
| 00:06.49 | abrotman | DavidSev: considering he hasn't uploaded a package since june of last year, you might want to contact he and the debian-security list at the same time .. |
| 00:07.09 | abrotman | oh .. since april of last year |
| 00:07.59 | debianista | so must be something like: sudo grub-setup -d /media/disk/boot/grub/ -m /media/disk/boot/grub/device.map -r ???? dorkkkkk |
| 00:08.08 | DavidSev | Not really been any need. No "real" servers use the package anyway, and the client has hardly changed. |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | DavidSev: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#discover |
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| 00:08.43 | abrotman | DavidSev: and http://www.debian.org/security/faq#contact |
| 00:08.55 | dorkkkkk | yea, i guess something like that. i'm not sure what is needed as the -r parameter, you could try /dev/sda there |
| 00:09.08 | DavidSev | abrotman: awesome, thanks |
| 00:09.10 | debianista | ok, let me try ^^ |
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| 00:09.33 | debianista | no devide specified |
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| 00:09.55 | dorkkkkk | ok, that's the grub device needed after all that |
| 00:10.10 | debianista | (hd0) then? |
| 00:10.10 | dorkkkkk | do you want to overwrite the windows boot loadeR? |
| 00:10.40 | debianista | is going to be possible boot both OS? |
| 00:10.58 | dorkkkkk | if you configure grub later then i guess it is |
| 00:11.10 | debianista | ok, how do i do it? |
| 00:11.57 | dorkkkkk | if you edit the grub.cfg file and add an item for windows, it should chainload it |
| 00:12.08 | debianista | ok |
| 00:12.25 | debianista | how do i overwrite the thing? |
| 00:13.14 | pl4yer0ne | cat /dev/null > the_thing ? |
| 00:13.33 | pl4yer0ne | gee im hilarious today |
| 00:13.34 | dorkkkkk | you got there. i'm not sure about the (hd0) though, it may be (hd0,x) where x is the partition number for your linux |
| 00:13.53 | debianista | then is (hd0,1) ? |
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| 00:14.35 | dorkkkkk | i've got no idea :) would think that just (hd0) should update the mbr |
| 00:15.06 | dorkkkkk | try |
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| 00:15.13 | debianista | syntax error |
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| 00:15.37 | dorkkkkk | hm.. then '(hd0)' |
| 00:15.55 | ma3x | is 486 or 686 the suitable linux-image for c2d cpu? |
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| 00:16.09 | dorkkkkk | 686 should be |
| 00:16.21 | dorkkkkk | both will work i guess |
| 00:16.27 | karsten | Having read the blacklist factoid: I';m going with /etc/modprobe/blacklist.local |
| 00:16.29 | debianista | grub-setup: error: Cannot get the real path of `/dev/sdb' |
| 00:16.30 | pl4yer0ne | I thought you could specify "normal" /dev/sd# for installing grub |
| 00:16.42 | debianista | this is frustrating =_= |
| 00:16.46 | ma3x | of course both will work but what will be faster? |
| 00:16.53 | abrotman | ma3x: suitable yes, but probably -686 or -amd64 |
| 00:16.58 | karsten | debianista: Is there a /dev/sdb? |
| 00:17.11 | ma3x | does the linux-image affect the compilation time of programs? |
| 00:17.13 | debianista | yeah |
| 00:17.18 | karsten | debianista: ... and how are you invoking grub-setup? |
| 00:17.37 | debianista | sudo grub-setup -d /media/disk/boot/grub/ -m /media/disk/boot/grub/device.map -r /dev/sdb '(hd0)' |
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| 00:18.17 | debianista | wait in the -r was sda |
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| 00:20.43 | debianista | can you help karsten? |
| 00:20.49 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover ? |
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| 00:21.45 | dorkkkkk | lovely :) |
| 00:22.58 | debianista | themill: interesting |
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| 00:23.53 | debianista | error 17: cannot mount the selected partition |
| 00:24.19 | sepult | your partition table got corrupted... |
| 00:24.29 | sepult | or the order has changed |
| 00:24.46 | debianista | how can i verify? |
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| 00:25.11 | sepult | testdisk ? |
| 00:25.39 | debianista | wait, let me try something |
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| 00:28.31 | debianista | still cant T_T |
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| 00:28.46 | Zharf | any idea how to overrule the dns server address from dhcp and use my own? (I have two dhcp connections and both want to use their dns servers <.<) |
| 00:29.01 | debianista | take a look: http://pastebin.com/m1a44cd79 |
| 00:29.11 | themill | dpkg: tell Zharf about override dns |
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| 00:29.53 | sepult | Zhard: add a dns-nameservers X.X.X.X after iface eth0 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:30.10 | themill | sepult: not with dhcp you can't. |
| 00:30.16 | baggend | I'm trying to install Lenny onto one of our servers, and it keeps telling me that there are no drives found. Yet, if I drop to the installer console, I can see /dev/sda and /dev/sdb just fine, and view their partition tables with 'fdisk -l /dev/sda'. I've tried 3 different versions of the installer with no luck. |
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| 00:30.28 | Zharf | themill, thanks |
| 00:30.28 | Vasistha | I've just installed lenny on a computer here, and the clock has been running fast -- it gains several minutes every day. ntpdate and adjtimex are already installed. Maybe there's something I need to do to configure adjtimex? |
| 00:30.30 | b1n42y | to install a deb package do i dpkg -i and package name |
| 00:30.36 | Zharf | themill, do I need to restart dhclients? |
| 00:30.40 | lala009 | If a hosting server suddenly goes down, for 1hr+ and I get msg: icmp_seq=1 Destination Net Unreachable etc etc. and when connecting to any port I get connection timed out, what is most likely going on? Can anyone help me with this? |
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| 00:30.49 | sepult | and add in /etc/resovconf/resolvconf.d/head a line "nameserver X.X.X.X" |
| 00:30.52 | themill | Zharf: the next time the get a lease it will be updated. |
| 00:30.52 | abrotman | lala009: it's down ... |
| 00:31.04 | lala009 | abrotman: but, any suggestion |
| 00:31.04 | abrotman | sepult: he needs two solutions? |
| 00:31.08 | abrotman | lala009: call them? |
| 00:31.09 | Zharf | themill, ok |
| 00:31.15 | themill | abrotman: no, just one that works :) |
| 00:31.18 | abrotman | Vasistha: use ntp instead |
| 00:31.27 | themill | Zharf: if you're in a hurry, take the link down and then bring it back up |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | themill: no no .. use multiple conflicting methods! |
| 00:31.30 | lala009 | abrotman: 5am now there |
| 00:31.37 | abrotman | lala009: they don't have 24/7 ? |
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| 00:31.40 | sepult | abrotman: i have both at the same time and don't experience any problems so far |
| 00:31.41 | Vasistha | abrotman: oh, there's a difference between ntp and ntpdate huh? okay, I'll try that. Thanks! |
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| 00:31.48 | sepult | it's working for me |
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| 00:31.53 | abrotman | sepult: your "solution" doesn't make much sense .. have fun! |
| 00:31.59 | abrotman | Vasistha: yes, big difference |
| 00:31.59 | oh_noes | Any idea why this sudoers file fails parsing? http://pastebin.com/m219bba05 |
| 00:32.02 | Zharf | themill, nah, no rush |
| 00:32.09 | dorkkkkk | debianista: did you change anything in the partition table when installing windows? |
| 00:32.18 | abrotman | oh_noes: which version of linux? |
| 00:32.24 | debianista | i didn't even entered in the linux |
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| 00:32.35 | sepult | abrotman: i will |
| 00:32.36 | debianista | i just installed windows in the first partition |
| 00:32.37 | themill | sepult: options in /etc/network/interfaces are ignored for dhcp. |
| 00:32.38 | oh_noes | deb 4.1 |
| 00:32.47 | abrotman | oh_noes: no such thing .. try again |
| 00:32.49 | sepult | themill: can be |
| 00:33.00 | dorkkkkk | the first partition was empty before? |
| 00:33.01 | oh_noes | nfi, the 4.0 netinst |
| 00:33.02 | abrotman | oh_noes: what does `uname -a` say ? |
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| 00:33.16 | sepult | themill: it's told in man interfaces to be just for static address yes i know |
| 00:33.20 | debianista | yes dorkkkkk |
| 00:33.21 | oh_noes | Linux emp1hudsonpin02 2.6.27-7-server #1 SMP Fri Oct 24 07:20:47 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:33.30 | abrotman | oh_noes: go to #ubuntu |
| 00:33.37 | sepult | but the side effect was it added the nameserver to my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:33.41 | Vasistha | oh_noes: maybe "HUDSON = /usr/bin/su - hudson, /usr/bin/su hudson" |
| 00:33.41 | sepult | hehe |
| 00:33.44 | debianista | i reserved that partition just for windows |
| 00:34.19 | sepult | i don't have to add it all the time anew if something screws my /etc/resolv.conf that's it |
| 00:34.58 | themill | sepult: that's because you also have it in /etc/resovconf/resolvconf.d/head. |
| 00:35.55 | oh_noes | Vasistha: thats what I have thoug h.. |
| 00:35.59 | sepult | ok |
| 00:36.12 | dorkkkkk | okay. if the cd offers you a grub menu then it should be possible to edit an entry there and boot straight to your linux. then repair grub from there |
| 00:36.19 | abrotman | oh_noes: go to #ubuntu, you're offtopic here |
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| 00:37.09 | oh_noes | abrotman: discussing sudo is offtopic? |
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| 00:37.30 | abrotman | you're not running debian, we have no idea how your distro has changed sudo .. go to #ubuntu please .. this channel does not support debian-based distros |
| 00:37.37 | debianista | wait dorkkkkk i thing i fixed it, let me try |
| 00:37.49 | themill | oh_noes: no, ubuntu support is offtopic. Take it to a msg, to ##linux or to #ubuntu. |
| 00:38.04 | oh_noes | But Im not asking for ubuntu support |
| 00:38.11 | abrotman | yes, you are |
| 00:38.55 | oh_noes | So your assumption that Ibecause my kernel is ubuntu, my sudo is not the same version that ships with 4.0 netinst? |
| 00:39.06 | abrotman | oh_noes: so dpkg -l sudo .. which version is it? |
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| 00:39.16 | swc|666 | I have an odd issue (Lenny) - I had been running 2 of the 3 nic's in my machine bridged. I replaced one of the bridged nics with a new card. Now @ each reboot all 3 of the nic's take on the same mac address of the new card (whereas before only the 2 that were suppose to did. I've deleted the persistant net udev rule, and removed all pkgs relating to bridging, as well as removed bridge settings in my interfaces file |
| 00:39.26 | themill | oh_noes: I can guarantee that it's not the same. |
| 00:40.01 | abrotman | swc|666: is there a question there? or more to the question? |
| 00:40.10 | swc|666 | (still typing) |
| 00:40.43 | _abc__ | omg |
| 00:41.01 | oh_noes | themill: ok .. now prove to me the config versioning changed throughout the 2 different versions? |
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| 00:41.25 | abrotman | oh_noes: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 00:41.31 | swc|666 | so the question is, what else could be causing my system to have this behavior? I'm about of answers, other than a fresh OS install |
| 00:41.35 | themill | oh_noes: wtf should I? just take it to #ubuntu where they know how they've changed their own software. It's really simple. |
| 00:41.35 | bahadunn | uh oh |
| 00:41.39 | sepult | themill: it's actually a fallback in /etc/network/interfaces for my router the /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d/head contains the real nameserver, cause i have a bug or so in my router not redirecting to the dns-servers it's configured to |
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| 00:42.06 | abrotman | swc|666: if you disable 2/3 .. what happens? |
| 00:42.12 | abrotman | so they don't come up auto |
| 00:42.37 | swc|666 | abrotman, not sure... i'll try that again ... |
| 00:42.42 | b1n42y | how do i run konqueror as root is it gksudo or sudo from terminal ? |
| 00:42.56 | themill | dpkg: tell b1n42y about root x |
| 00:43.10 | Vasistha | abrotman: ntp works like a charm -- it just adjusted the clock 15 minutes. thanks! |
| 00:43.19 | abrotman | Vasistha: jeez .. that's bad |
| 00:43.34 | Vasistha | abrotman: I'm wondering if I should restart :| |
| 00:43.34 | swc|666 | abrotman, actually it's already been commented out |
| 00:43.47 | abrotman | Vasistha: might want to wait 15 minutes |
| 00:43.52 | Vasistha | heh |
| 00:44.03 | Vasistha | yeah, perhaps. hmmm. |
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| 00:44.14 | debianista | dorkkkkk: im back |
| 00:44.20 | abrotman | swc|666: and they still all take one MAC ? |
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| 00:44.23 | swc|666 | yep |
| 00:44.43 | dorkkkkk | got it fixed? |
| 00:44.45 | abrotman | swc|666: did you look in the /etc/network/* subdirectories ? |
| 00:44.49 | debianista | now the grub starts, but get an error |
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| 00:45.00 | streampenner_ | hallo |
| 00:45.13 | debianista | error: unknown command 'initrd' press any.... to continue |
| 00:45.14 | Vasistha | abrotman: it's not a server, just my Dad's desktop (finally got him off win 98, wooo) ... I'm unsure of what problems could arise from the clock regression |
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| 00:45.23 | swc|666 | abrotman, i'll triple check |
| 00:45.32 | abrotman | Vasistha: it might be unhappy if it boots and sees stuff in the future |
| 00:45.40 | dorkkkkk | interesting |
| 00:45.48 | abrotman | specially if fsck runs |
| 00:46.22 | debianista | and now i cannot start windows or linux =_= dorkkkkk |
| 00:46.42 | streampenner_ | can every were germand here? |
| 00:46.43 | themill | debianista: only one of those things is bad. |
| 00:46.52 | dorkkkkk | does the grub display a menu of somekind? |
| 00:46.53 | Vasistha | abrotman: hmm, maybe I will reboot it tomorrow :) then maybe it'll be long enough that everything will have forgotten. (then maybe it won't need a reboot) |
| 00:46.54 | dorkkkkk | lol |
| 00:47.03 | debianista | the menu with debian |
| 00:47.05 | abrotman | !de |
| 00:47.05 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 00:47.16 | abrotman | Vasistha: you could just use "at" to reboot it in 15 minutes or whenver |
| 00:47.18 | b1n42y | themill: kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 00:47.19 | dorkkkkk | okay, you can manually edit it and try your options |
| 00:47.30 | streampenner_ | thx ;) |
| 00:47.30 | debianista | help me with that please |
| 00:47.33 | abrotman | b1n42y: which user are you running it as ? |
| 00:47.42 | dorkkkkk | when it displays, it should say "press e to edit" or something |
| 00:47.54 | Vasistha | debianista: don't worry too much, it's just your mbr -- shouldn't be too difficult to fix. I did it on an airplane once :) |
| 00:47.55 | debianista | yeah |
| 00:48.00 | b1n42y | themill: dono, i added myself to sudoers |
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| 00:48.07 | abrotman | Vasistha: was the pilot okay with that? |
| 00:48.16 | Vasistha | hahaha |
| 00:48.18 | dorkkkkk | check it out |
| 00:48.27 | debianista | and what should i edit? |
| 00:49.04 | dorkkkkk | i'm not sure.. does your linux use initrd there? |
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| 00:49.13 | debianista | honestly dunno |
| 00:49.32 | dorkkkkk | what does the entry look like |
| 00:49.40 | debianista | with a wallpaper |
| 00:49.45 | debianista | a debian wallpaper |
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| 00:50.22 | dorkkkkk | that's nice. but the stuff you get when you press e ? |
| 00:50.38 | debianista | haven't tried yet |
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| 00:50.57 | debianista | i need to reboot again, let me try then |
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| 00:52.56 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me why aptitude wants to install a mail package when i already have postfix? |
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| 00:53.13 | pthomas | anyone know if emdebian has an irc channel? |
| 00:53.44 | narcarsiss | mischief6 might be a dependancy? |
| 00:54.03 | narcarsiss | AND can someone tell me what the clock in debian lenny is backwards? |
| 00:54.13 | narcarsiss | 24hr time is wrong |
| 00:54.22 | mischief6 | lmao |
| 00:54.27 | Vasistha | pthomas: have you tried googling emdebian irc ? |
| 00:54.28 | mischief6 | narcarsiss, xclock? :D |
| 00:54.40 | narcarsiss | gnome standard |
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| 00:54.54 | narcarsiss | might be a build error |
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| 00:55.21 | abrotman | mischief6: paste all the output in a pastebin |
| 00:56.09 | mischief6 | abrotman, at the bottom of aptitude it simply says 'Suggest 1 install' |
| 00:56.10 | narcarsiss | think 23:56 should be night time not am? |
| 00:56.30 | abrotman | mischief6: it has more output than that |
| 00:56.45 | mischief6 | what is it you want me to paste the output of then? |
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| 00:58.02 | abrotman | mischief6: all of it? |
| 00:58.08 | mischief6 | all of what? |
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| 00:58.42 | debianista | ok dorkkkkk back again |
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| 00:59.02 | swc|666 | no dice |
| 00:59.09 | dorkkkkk | so, how was it |
| 00:59.17 | swc|666 | abrotman, what's odd is the mac address of the card |
| 00:59.27 | swc|666 | aa:00:04:00:0a:04 != normal |
| 00:59.29 | debianista | when i press the e in the last line i have initrd /boot /initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 00:59.29 | mischief6 | abrotman, i don't know what you want me to paste the output of |
| 00:59.39 | edj | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.05 | mischief6 | edj, /etc/shells and chsh? |
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| 01:00.57 | debianista | can it be fixed dorkkkkk? |
| 01:01.02 | abrotman | swc|666: did you grep the etc directory recursively for like "0a" ? |
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| 01:01.33 | swc|666 | yep |
| 01:01.37 | swc|666 | -ir |
| 01:01.56 | dorkkkkk | that line cannot be just deleted, i have no idea what that error is about |
| 01:02.21 | debianista | T_T |
| 01:02.22 | abrotman | mischief6: the command you used, and all the output it gave when trying to install postfix |
| 01:02.38 | dorkkkkk | let's check google and learn to boot manually from the grub command line |
| 01:02.48 | abrotman | swc|666: and nothing ? |
| 01:02.49 | mischief6 | abrotman, postfix has been install for a week or so, i don't remember what i used to install it |
| 01:02.58 | swc|666 | abrotman, nope :/ |
| 01:03.32 | narcarsiss | i have one file split into 82 archives and i cant extract then to one file |
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| 01:05.00 | abrotman | mischief6: sorry . the other MTA |
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| 01:05.28 | mischief6 | abrotman, i am not installing another MTA. |
| 01:05.40 | abrotman | <mischief6> can anyone tell me why aptitude wants to install a mail package when i already have postfix? |
| 01:05.53 | mischief6 | abrotman, i do not wish to have another MTA other than postfix, but aptitude is offering me one. |
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| 01:06.07 | abrotman | yes .. i wanted to see that output ... |
| 01:06.12 | mischief6 | of what? |
| 01:06.14 | debianista | dorkkkkk: testing reboot brb |
| 01:06.34 | abrotman | mischief6: whatever command oyu're typing and the output it gives when trying to install another mail package |
| 01:06.39 | azeem | mischief6: are you running aptitude in GUI mode? |
| 01:06.39 | swc|666 | mischief6, which 'other' mail package? |
| 01:06.39 | abrotman | doesn't see why this is hard |
| 01:06.44 | mischief6 | azeem, yes. |
| 01:06.47 | azeem | there. |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | people do that? for real? :) |
| 01:07.02 | mischief6 | abrotman, yes. |
| 01:07.15 | mischief6 | swc|666, it offers me several different mail packages |
| 01:07.16 | abrotman | mischief6: if you do it as aptitude install foo .. can you paste that ? |
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| 01:07.38 | mischief6 | abrotman, but i am not installing anything currently |
| 01:07.54 | abrotman | mischief6: so which mail package is it trying to install? |
| 01:08.04 | narcarsiss | can you install linux on 2x74gig raptors in raid-0? key work EASYLEY |
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| 01:08.16 | mischief6 | abrotman, it gives a list of them |
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| 01:08.29 | abrotman | is postfix one of them? how did you install postfix? |
| 01:08.50 | mischief6 | i installed aptitude with aptitude install postfix, but eh, i seemed to have fixed it |
| 01:09.07 | azeem | another happy customer |
| 01:09.14 | mischief6 | :) |
| 01:09.27 | th1 | I think I found a major bug in lvm when upgrading to Lenny |
| 01:09.39 | th1 | but I'm not sure and I don't have the guts to try to reproduce it |
| 01:09.48 | narcarsiss | l*r |
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| 01:12.59 | chasing`Sol | hi guys, i am trying to mount my ipod under etch, but with no luck, when i do fdisk -l, it doesn't show, any ideas? |
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| 01:14.52 | nkuttler | chasing`Sol: man fdisk |
| 01:15.06 | chasing`Sol | its not shown in fdisk |
| 01:15.31 | nkuttler | chasing`Sol: dmesg, /var/log/messages |
| 01:15.55 | chasing`Sol | ahmed@neptune:~$ dmesg | tail -n 5 |
| 01:15.55 | chasing`Sol | usb 5-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 |
| 01:15.55 | chasing`Sol | usb 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 3 choices |
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| 01:17.54 | chasing`Sol | $ lsusb |
| 01:17.54 | chasing`Sol | Bus 005 Device 007: ID 05ac:1291 Apple Computer, Inc. |
| 01:18.06 | nkuttler | !tell chasing`Sol about paste |
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| 01:18.32 | chasing`Sol | kk |
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| 01:20.29 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 01:20.59 | tengulre | why not got any thing in txt file, vmstat | awk '{print strftime("%H:%M:%S") $0 }' >> a.txt |
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| 01:21.21 | debianista | ok, back again dorkkkkk |
| 01:21.31 | debianista | now i fixed the grub at last |
| 01:21.40 | debianista | using the foolish way |
| 01:21.44 | tengulre | sorry , that is vmstat 1 | awk '{print strftime("%H:%M:%S") $0 }' >> a.txt |
| 01:21.57 | dorkkkkk | foolish? :) |
| 01:22.03 | debianista | i entered in rescue mode with debian 5 CD and reinstall grup :P |
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| 01:22.57 | dorkkkkk | that's the right way i guess :P |
| 01:23.02 | debianista | XD |
| 01:23.18 | debianista | now, can you please, please, please help me to add windows to the grub? |
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| 01:24.03 | nkuttler | debianista: it's pretty easy and explained in the docs |
| 01:24.08 | dorkkkkk | well, i guess it's simple now.. as you already know how to reinstall if something goes down the drain again :P |
| 01:24.21 | debianista | yeap |
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| 01:24.47 | beered | Is it possible to apt-get a kernel that supports high mem (4GB)? |
| 01:25.05 | Flimqy | beered: Yes. |
| 01:25.12 | beered | Flimqy: how? |
| 01:25.13 | Flimqy | beered: it's called 'bigmem' |
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| 01:25.25 | beered | Flimqy: thanks! :-) |
| 01:25.33 | Flimqy | beered: That is, assuming you're on i386 |
| 01:25.34 | debianista | im googleing the solution ^^ |
| 01:25.40 | beered | I'm not! |
| 01:25.43 | beered | I'm on powerpc. |
| 01:25.56 | beered | 2.6.26-1-powerpc-smp #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 14:19:52 CET 2009 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 01:25.58 | Flimqy | beered: Oh. It may be the same there, too. I'm not sure if powerpc needs a special kernel for that. |
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| 01:26.20 | Flimqy | If there is a powerpc bigmem, though, then I'm sure that's what you want. |
| 01:26.35 | beered | I get nothing with aptitude search kernel | grep bigmem |
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| 01:27.12 | Flimqy | I sorta thought bigmem was an i386 thing... and would have therefore assumed that powerpc just supported 4gb+ mem already. Do you know for sure that it does not? |
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| 01:27.27 | beered | Flimqy: I don't know how to verify that. |
| 01:27.42 | Flimqy | Are you booted on the ppc machine w/ 4gb currently? |
| 01:27.51 | beered | Flimqy: Yup. |
| 01:27.59 | Flimqy | what does 'free -m' say? |
| 01:28.17 | beered | Flimqy: ohh... :-) |
| 01:28.24 | dorkkkkk | debianista: i found an example at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=610557 |
| 01:28.40 | th1 | don't say the u word |
| 01:28.46 | beered | Flimqy: Never mind. It tunrs out that this machine has only 2GB. Duh! :-) |
| 01:28.48 | Flimqy | beered: Oops |
| 01:28.48 | f00li5h[hireme] | dorkkkkk: meow? |
| 01:28.56 | beered | Flimqy: thanks for your help though. |
| 01:28.58 | Flimqy | np |
| 01:29.03 | dorkkkkk | meow |
| 01:29.11 | debianista | Thx dorkkkkk |
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| 01:29.53 | dorkkkkk | of course, the config file should be present already or you have to add an entry for the linux as well |
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| 01:31.50 | debianista | ok, added, let me try |
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| 01:35.01 | joe-mac | can someone tell me, is there a comprehensive list of d-i keys and values somewhere, preferably with explanations? |
| 01:35.11 | joe-mac | i keep finding ones i didn't know existed, that would have helped me ou t previously |
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| 01:37.59 | Pendrag0n | I just tried to run ez_install mysql-python on a new deb box, and I have no idea why I just got the error I did |
| 01:38.08 | abrotman | run what? |
| 01:38.09 | Pendrag0n | EnvironmentError: mysql_config not found |
| 01:38.22 | Pendrag0n | " ez_install mysql-python" |
| 01:38.31 | abrotman | what the heck is "ez_install" ? |
| 01:39.07 | Pendrag0n | um, it is part of setup tools |
| 01:39.14 | abrotman | in debian? |
| 01:39.16 | Pendrag0n | it is the way you install almost any and all python modules |
| 01:39.19 | Pendrag0n | yes, for debian |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | !find ez_install lenny |
| 01:39.31 | Pendrag0n | aptitude manages deb packages |
| 01:39.48 | Pendrag0n | ez_install installs python packages |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | judd: info python-mysqldb --release lenny |
| 01:39.53 | judd | abrotman: python-mysqldb (python): is optional; Version: 1.2.2-7; Size: 93.0k; Installed: 268k -- A Python interface to MySQL |
| 01:40.06 | Pendrag0n | hmm |
| 01:40.18 | Pendrag0n | I never thought of trying to install it with aptitude |
| 01:40.36 | Pendrag0n | I've installed it on about 60 deb boxes before with ez_install with no problems |
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| 01:40.46 | abrotman | i never heard of ez_install .. we're both confused :) |
| 01:40.56 | abrotman | apt-file doesn't know ez_install either |
| 01:41.09 | Pendrag0n | naw, you have to install ez_install with easy_setup.py |
| 01:41.13 | Mox` | Hi, what's the difference from debian lenney 64 SysCP and the minimal edition? |
| 01:41.28 | Pendrag0n | it's more a python thing, but it gave me a environment error in debian, and I figured I shoudl ask here |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | Mox`: use the netinst |
| 01:42.12 | Mox` | abrotman hmm.. it's on a root server hosted some where in germany, I only have those choices |
| 01:42.26 | abrotman | then ask them .. no idea what SysCP is |
| 01:42.33 | abrotman | sounds like something your hosting company uses |
| 01:42.34 | Mox` | oke |
| 01:42.52 | Mox` | maybe,,. I think I'll stick with the minimal :) |
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| 01:43.35 | Vasistha | Mox`: the netinst contains a base system on CD and then downloads other components as part of the installation process |
| 01:43.46 | abrotman | Vasistha: i think you need to read his response |
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| 01:44.40 | Pendrag0n | ok, I've got the shorewall turned off now, but my firewall ist still screwing up my box |
| 01:44.46 | Pendrag0n | I should have never tried to install it |
| 01:45.06 | Mox` | have u tried centos? |
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| 01:45.15 | Pendrag0n | I feakikng hate centos |
| 01:45.19 | abrotman | Mox`: you're in #debian |
| 01:45.19 | Pendrag0n | I swear by debian |
| 01:45.45 | dvs | Pendrag0n: No, you swore ON #debian. ;-) |
| 01:45.58 | Pendrag0n | I wrote an article comparing all linux flavors, and centos got the worst rating |
| 01:46.00 | Mox` | abrotman I know, but it's legal to discuss other os? |
| 01:46.01 | Pendrag0n | debian the best |
| 01:46.06 | abrotman | Pendrag0n: wait .. what do python and mysql have to do with shorewall ? |
| 01:46.09 | Pendrag0n | and no, I don't think I've cussed here yet |
| 01:46.13 | Mox` | Pendrag0n have you tried ubuntu? |
| 01:46.18 | abrotman | Mox`: enough ... |
| 01:46.28 | Pendrag0n | o nothing abrotman, I've been fixing many bug |
| 01:46.39 | Pendrag0n | mox: yes, and ubuntu is an extension of debian |
| 01:46.43 | abrotman | Pendrag0n: you could just write them by hand ? |
| 01:46.55 | Pendrag0n | write what by hand? |
| 01:47.00 | abrotman | your firewall rules |
| 01:47.10 | careta | hey people. when does the new testing start? squeeze is still a copy of lenny right? |
| 01:47.11 | Mox` | Pendrag0n I know, so you say that debian is the best choice between debian, centos and ubuntu? |
| 01:47.12 | dvs | I'd use ipmasq |
| 01:47.19 | Pendrag0n | I thought I could, but then I realized this vps box is using some crazy looping bridge I don't understand |
| 01:47.24 | abrotman | Mox`: STOP |
| 01:47.32 | Pendrag0n | I screwed up more than I fixed, I about locked myself out of the box |
| 01:47.37 | abrotman | careta: apparently some packages have started going in |
| 01:47.52 | careta | but still no security updates right? |
| 01:47.55 | Pendrag0n | I ran /etc/init.c/shorewall stop to get back into the box |
| 01:47.57 | abrotman | careta: http://release.debian.org/migration/accepted.html |
| 01:48.00 | abrotman | careta: last i knew .. no |
| 01:48.12 | careta | thanks. any idea when that will begin? |
| 01:48.14 | Pendrag0n | but when I try getting out of the box, from within, I get connection refused on like tons of ip's |
| 01:48.19 | stew | Mox`: this isn't really a good channel to get unbiased opinions about one distro vs. another. perhaps try ##linux |
| 01:48.25 | Pendrag0n | hmm, wait a sec |
| 01:48.28 | Pendrag0n | let me try something |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | careta: when they tell us .. i'd imagine they'd announce on debian-devel-announce |
| 01:48.53 | Pendrag0n | mox in a box: you cna't answer a 'which is better' question until you have a for .. |
| 01:48.57 | Pendrag0n | x is better for y |
| 01:49.09 | Pendrag0n | but c is better for z |
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| 01:49.18 | stew | and all of those questions are better in another channel |
| 01:49.19 | Pendrag0n | depends on the purpose of the box |
| 01:49.22 | Pendrag0n | yep |
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| 01:50.24 | careta | yea but to use debian you have to be somewhat versed in linux, i.e., not a beginner |
| 01:50.34 | firefox | Debian, straight debian is better! if I could make love to it, I would,... for now I will stick the the Iv injections of it. |
| 01:50.44 | dvs | o_O |
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| 01:51.14 | firefox | I might b e a scoosh biased |
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| 01:53.11 | firefox | careta: Its not hard to use debian... infact... apt-get install and apt-cache search are the only two commands you need to learn.. if stuff breaks just do it over or type the exact error output in google. |
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| 01:53.38 | abrotman | winks at asg |
| 01:54.11 | firefox | all: sorry for the awkward silence... I shopuld keep my debian love afair a secret. |
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| 01:57.15 | careta | don't get my wrong, i love debian. but i came from opensuse, and i think only ubuntu and opensuse are good for windows newcomers. debian is much harder to get working properly |
| 01:59.43 | abrotman | can we drop this conversation? |
| 01:59.56 | stew | careta: i just saw your questions about testing. squeeze statarted getting new packages on the 15th when it got 2300+ new packages. its been getting new packages every day since then as well |
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| 02:00.40 | firefox | abrotman: I didnt realise it caused that much contention. |
| 02:00.41 | abrotman | stew: they didn't delay it this time ? |
| 02:00.48 | abrotman | firefox: try #debian-offtopic |
| 02:01.11 | stew | abrotman: no, as soon as we turned cron back on there were already 2300+ packages waiting to go in |
| 02:01.26 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:02.05 | firefox | careta: I have lured quite a few in with knoppix. anyway I gotta get some grub. adios. |
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| 02:05.06 | Goat25 | grub -- great bootloader and nourishing substance |
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| 02:13.52 | narcarsiss | i installed pulsaudio now hot to make it default instead of alsa? any hellp please |
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| 02:17.02 | zeno | is there no java for arm architecture? |
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| 02:17.54 | abrotman | zeno: sun java? or any java ? |
| 02:18.17 | abrotman | and arm or armel ? |
| 02:19.35 | zeno | sun |
| 02:19.39 | abrotman | no |
| 02:20.16 | zeno | darn is there any java then? |
| 02:20.23 | abrotman | zeno: there is openjdk for armel |
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| 02:20.34 | strogg | 'lo 'lo |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | probably kaffe and sable if you count them |
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| 02:20.54 | zeno | what about icepick? |
| 02:20.59 | abrotman | zeno: is it arm or armel ? |
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| 02:21.16 | zeno | abrotman: sorry dunno how do i check |
| 02:21.22 | abrotman | dpkg-architecture |
| 02:21.26 | zeno | thanks |
| 02:21.29 | abrotman | icepick is there for armel |
| 02:21.34 | strogg | I have an HP P1505 printer and Print-to-PDF setup in cups, and I'm trying to print something from gimp. The option to print to PDF is there, but not to the printer. Anyone know what's wrong? |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | zeno: you can check on packages.debian.org |
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| 02:22.19 | jester45 | strogg, is the printer setup in cups? |
| 02:22.39 | strogg | jester45: Yeah. and I can print a test page no problem. |
| 02:22.47 | tengulre | why not got any thing in txt file, vmstat 1 | awk '{print strftime("%H:%M:%S") $0 }' >> a.txt |
| 02:23.16 | jester45 | strogg, maybe gimp needs a cups package? gimp-cups? |
| 02:24.02 | zeno | ARMv6-compatible processor rev 2 (v6l) |
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| 02:24.34 | strogg | Ahhh nevermind.. I see. gimp-print is gone and got renamed to gutenprint. |
| 02:25.38 | abrotman | tengulre: do you really need the >> instead of just > ? |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | shouldn't really matter though |
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| 02:31.29 | narcarsiss | apt-get moo ROFL |
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| 02:32.20 | abrotman | narcarsiss: aptitude moo |
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| 02:33.23 | quentusrex | what the process of having a dns server point to others if it doesn't have the entry? |
| 02:33.31 | quentusrex | I'm trying to learn to setup my nameserver properly. |
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| 02:36.16 | abrotman | you mean master/slave ? |
| 02:36.23 | quentusrex | somethign like that. |
| 02:36.46 | quentusrex | I have an internal network dns server, but for stuff like google, and yahoo, etc I need the requests to be sent to my isp's dns server.. |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | you probably want to install the bind9-doc package and read a good chunk of it |
| 02:37.14 | quentusrex | so I'm trying to configure all of my network hosts to use my internal dns server, then if it doesn't have the records, to forward the requests. |
| 02:37.29 | quentusrex | abrotman: ok. I'm not using bind... mydns... |
| 02:37.31 | abrotman | that's how it should work by default |
| 02:37.34 | quentusrex | ok |
| 02:37.35 | abrotman | quentusrex: then read those .. |
| 02:38.06 | abrotman | or maybe ask #dns |
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| 02:47.13 | jester45 | quentusrex, if mydns doesnt work for you and you just want to forward dns try dnsmasq, it caches dns which speeds the network up a lot if you are serving a large number of users (or smaller like minded people) |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | jester45: he needs to resolve internal also |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | does dnsmasq have its own domains to resolve ? |
| 02:48.00 | MaDSeN | no-ip.com |
| 02:48.06 | Mox` | how do I add something to boot? |
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| 02:48.08 | Mox` | rc-update? |
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| 02:48.31 | iank | Upgrading to lenny, can I get aptitude (lenny's aptitude, already upgraded that) to tell me why it wants to install x11-common? |
| 02:48.33 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 02:48.33 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 02:48.46 | abrotman | iank: aptitude why x11-common ? |
| 02:49.00 | jester45 | abrotman, i think it can do that also |
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| 02:50.39 | narcarsiss | abroman: there are no easter eggs in this program lol |
| 02:50.40 | iank | abrotman: hur. If I'm reading http://sial.org/pbot/35256 right, it's trying to install a debconf package that.. has x11 support I guess |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | narcarsiss: -v |
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| 02:51.46 | narcarsiss | hehehe |
| 02:52.03 | abrotman | iank: FWIW .. x11-common isn't really X .. just some basic X stuff |
| 02:52.12 | iank | yeah |
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| 02:52.17 | narcarsiss | my computer is getting frustrated not like i want 4 xeon processors after me |
| 02:52.24 | iank | I know that, I'm just not enthusiastic about installing it for no reason |
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| 02:52.38 | abrotman | iank: it's not for no reason .. debconf can have an X interface |
| 02:52.44 | iank | yes |
| 02:52.46 | iank | but it's no reason for me |
| 02:52.48 | iank | I don't have X |
| 02:52.52 | iank | What do I need x11-common for? |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | okay .. don't kill the messenger! |
| 02:53.03 | iank | Sorry, I don't mean to come off as rude :) |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | hides behind asg |
| 02:53.30 | Mox` | how do I see what runs at boot? |
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| 02:53.49 | iank | whatever, it was installed a minute ago for freedos, of all things |
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| 02:54.28 | iank | o/ absurd^lion |
| 02:55.23 | narcarsiss | http://namox.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/debianmintwallpaper2.png just to share what i think looks great and should be befault wallpaper for furure versions |
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| 02:57.38 | iank | narcarsiss: I like it, except the font at the bottom right is screwey |
| 02:58.01 | iank | I guess it's the same font, but it only looks squirrely at the bottom-right :) |
| 02:58.36 | ChandleWEi | I would install vim-full but it depends vim-gnome ,and vim-gnome depends ruby-1.8.7, but I must use ruby1.8.6,can't to install ruby1.8.7 |
| 02:59.09 | ChandleWEi | How to install vim-full? |
| 02:59.31 | abrotman | ChandleWEi: paste all the output in a pastebin |
| 02:59.39 | abrotman | ChandleWEi: and your sources.list |
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| 03:00.46 | narcarsiss | i agree the fong is a bit odd but the idea is there |
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| 03:01.11 | OldMonk | fong is definitely VERY odd |
| 03:02.09 | narcarsiss | fong not at all good |
| 03:02.12 | ChandleWEi | abrotman: http://www.pastie.org/400573 |
| 03:03.01 | narcarsiss | bbl have to clean house before gf gets here |
| 03:03.48 | abrotman | ChandleWEi: aptitude update .. try again |
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| 03:04.22 | the|herbivore | has anyone had any experience running etch with a LSI [LSI10153] 2 Channel Ultra320 SCSI Card / PCIe / x4? [http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/host_bus_adapters/scsi_hbas/lsi22320se/index.html] |
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| 03:05.28 | ChandleWEi | abrotman: I hold my ruby version in 1.8.6 so I can't update ruby to 1.8.7 |
| 03:05.43 | abrotman | why woudl you do that? |
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| 03:08.51 | kindofabuzz | what is making this "file:" dir in my ~? |
| 03:09.02 | pl4yer0ne | gah! why is bluetooth such a bitch |
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| 03:09.22 | kindofabuzz | because it doesn't use wires |
| 03:09.24 | kindofabuzz | =) |
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| 03:10.02 | pl4yer0ne | pretty much |
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| 03:15.41 | bbelt16ag | whats the command on gnome to lock my screen?? |
| 03:16.39 | Goat25 | System->Lock Screen |
| 03:16.57 | abrotman | gnome-screensaver-command -l |
| 03:16.58 | abrotman | maybe |
| 03:17.13 | abrotman | or maybe you have to have the screen saver running firs |
| 03:17.21 | bbelt16ag | keyboard short cut? |
| 03:17.39 | abrotman | click the mouse? |
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| 03:18.05 | OldMonk | bbelt16ag: alt-f2, then type: gnome-screensaver-command -l |
| 03:18.47 | pl4yer0ne | ctrl+alt+L |
| 03:18.51 | pl4yer0ne | n00bs |
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| 03:19.19 | abrotman | if you have it configured to do that |
| 03:19.31 | pl4yer0ne | its default |
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| 03:19.40 | OldMonk | i just use the bluetooth screen locker |
| 03:19.42 | abrotman | defaults never get changed! |
| 03:20.01 | OldMonk | move out of BT range and the screen lockes, come back into range and it unlocks |
| 03:20.08 | pl4yer0ne | abrotman, yeah but if you dont know what the keys are you most likely havent changed the default have you? |
| 03:20.36 | pl4yer0ne | theres no frigging point asking someone what the key command is if you have changed that from what it would normally be! |
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| 03:21.01 | bbelt16ag | found it |
| 03:21.11 | OldMonk | wtf, i just gave him the keyboard shortcut! |
| 03:21.15 | bbelt16ag | ty pl4yer0ne |
| 03:21.21 | pl4yer0ne | no worries |
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| 03:21.27 | bbelt16ag | sorry thanks |
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| 03:22.01 | pl4yer0ne | change the shortcuts at: System -> Preferences -> keyboard shortcuts |
| 03:22.13 | pl4yer0ne | (in gnome) |
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| 03:23.27 | strogg | hrmmm interesting cups issue.. When I print something (or when someone else on the network prints through samba), the print job stays in the queue even after it has finished printing. it just sits there reading as "processing since ..." and then the datetime of the print job |
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| 03:23.42 | OldMonk | strogg: is that an hp p100*? |
| 03:23.54 | strogg | Oh oh. |
| 03:24.06 | strogg | OldMonk: It's an HP P1505.. so.. pretty close, yeah |
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| 03:24.33 | OldMonk | strogg: i have the same problem w/ my p1007, seems to be an hp-specific issue |
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| 03:24.53 | strogg | dammit. Hrmm |
| 03:25.10 | strogg | it really sucks.. I gotta go into the cups admin page and delete every job I print |
| 03:26.05 | OldMonk | strogg: other jobs are stuck until you delete this one, right? |
| 03:26.36 | strogg | OldMonk: yeah. exactly |
| 03:27.10 | OldMonk | hmm, someone should file a bug report </abdicate all responsibility> |
| 03:27.57 | kindofabuzz | ok installed git, but i still get command not found |
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| 03:29.08 | stew | kindofabuzz: if you are looking for the version control software, you want git-core, not git |
| 03:29.18 | kindofabuzz | yeah just saw that |
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| 03:42.27 | OldMonk | fsck that, filed a bug report on foo2zjs anyway |
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| 03:42.54 | OldMonk | reportbug is useful |
| 03:43.54 | firebird619 | Is there a way from cli to combine a whole bunch of jpg files into one pdf like with cat or something? |
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| 03:44.23 | nkuttler | firebird619: image/graphicsmagick maybe |
| 03:44.31 | OldMonk | firebird619: man imagemagick |
| 03:44.46 | firebird619 | Ok, I'll check that out. Thank you. |
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| 03:51.19 | pickcoder | firebird619: you probably want -append. I know it supports PS but not sure about PDF, but you can always use ps2pdf from Ghostscript |
| 03:53.40 | firebird619 | pickcoder: Ok, Thanks. |
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| 03:58.03 | tom23 | Hi. How can I find a list of installed experimental packages? |
| 03:58.35 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 03:58.36 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 03:58.48 | tom23 | abrotman: Thanks. :) |
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| 04:12.32 | Younix | i knew a fish. |
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| 04:13.24 | Slartibartfast | Anybody here using Scim? |
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| 04:22.39 | the|herbivore | anyone know if the 2.6.24 kernel supports this device out of the box? > http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/host_bus_adapters/scsi_hbas/lsi22320se/index.html |
| 04:22.45 | the|herbivore | haven't had any luck searching the pci database with the vendor supplied codes... |
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| 04:26.34 | civillian | the|herbivore: that looks like a fairly new, it may not be on the pci database yet |
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| 04:27.05 | civillian | the|herbivore: you might try the Fusion MPT driver |
| 04:27.33 | civillian | the|herbivore: which is built into the latest kernels |
| 04:27.37 | the|herbivore | civillian: OK, thanks |
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| 04:30.31 | civillian | the|herbivore: 'Device Drivers' -> 'Fusion MPT device support' |
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| 04:55.43 | martian67 | the|herbivore, you can always edit the driver to include your pci device |
| 04:55.45 | martian67 | and see if it works |
| 04:55.58 | martian67 | even if you know nothing about C, its not very hard |
| 04:57.43 | pickcoder | and watch it blow up the kernel |
| 04:57.46 | pickcoder | :) |
| 04:59.17 | Mox` | is there a good guide for compiling your own kernel in debian? |
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| 05:04.28 | d-b | hi, i have two systems -> a laptop(no pae) and a desktop (bigmem), i can compile and run kernels on my desktop that work with luks (on an ide or a sata disk) however on my laptop luks seems unhappy no kernel messages look different. |
| 05:04.48 | d-b | is there a initrd file / script i should alter to get the kernels to work on my laptop ? |
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| 05:22.21 | Actium | hey, i'm trying to install Debian in virtualbox in XP, and the netinst disk stops here -- http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2222/greenshot20090226001858.jpg |
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| 05:24.50 | mischief | is there a package for git? |
| 05:25.16 | Pryon | what does apt-cache search git tell you? |
| 05:25.41 | mischief | it gives me a bunch of packages, none of which seem related to git |
| 05:26.04 | b1n42y | Actium: hmmm ... no errors |
| 05:27.27 | Pryon | have you tried apt-get install git ? |
| 05:27.41 | adb | git core |
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| 05:28.47 | mischief | Pryon, yeah but that is the wrong package |
| 05:28.50 | adb | git-core * |
| 05:28.53 | mischief | the package git-core worked for me |
| 05:29.00 | mischief | but uh, what is '/usr/bin/mandb: the setuid man user "man" does not exist' and how can i fix it? |
| 05:29.08 | Actium | ah it did something else after a few minutes.. http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5148/greenshot20090226002643.jpg also i read somewhere that virtualbox has trouble with smp enabled kernels, any way to get a netinst disc with a non-smp kernel |
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| 05:30.16 | nsadmin | mischief have you been installing things into prefix=/usr |
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| 05:30.55 | mischief | nsadmin, not explicitly |
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| 05:31.20 | nsadmin | have you compiled anything and installed it somewhere? |
| 05:32.26 | nsadmin | the thing is, it seems like your packaging database is either screwed up or is accurate and certain deps were not installed |
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| 05:34.38 | mischief | nsadmin, i haven't compiled anything to speak of |
| 05:34.53 | mischief | but i get that message any time i install or remove something it seems |
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| 05:39.11 | mischief6 | wut |
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| 05:40.48 | frankS2 | Is it possible to compile FreeBSD binaries on Linux? |
| 05:40.49 | andrboot | H iguys, i have done a basic system install from a netinstall cd, without using the net and i didn't config the mirror list.. how can i do it now that i have a base debian installed>? |
| 05:40.58 | andrboot | netselect isn't it apt for me :p |
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| 05:51.44 | jester45 | frankS2, i would guess you can |
| 05:52.23 | Actium | are there any methods of installing debian that don't use an smp enabled kernel |
| 05:53.11 | frankS2 | jester45: nah i dont think so :( seems like i have to move to FBSD |
| 05:53.31 | helo | how many packages are in lenny? |
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| 06:00.07 | gadi_ | i update my kernel to 2.6.28-7, and after boot, the system freeze in: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 06:00.21 | gadi_ | any idea ? |
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| 06:15.08 | anxiolytic | I'm getting this error when trying to update .. |
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| 06:15.31 | anxiolytic | A copy of glibc was found in an unexpected directory. ... /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1_i386.deb Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 06:17.18 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:18.17 | JDH1 | I was just wondering if anyone had any new information on qmail being included in main in Lenny? |
| 06:18.43 | JDH1 | as it does not appear it has, I haven't found any other announcements about it |
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| 06:20.43 | nsadmin | JDH1: maybe you should check with the author to see if he's put it under an acceptable license |
| 06:21.31 | JDH1 | he did |
| 06:21.37 | JDH1 | debian made the announcement last april |
| 06:21.49 | nsadmin | oh they did? what license? |
| 06:22.23 | JDH1 | per debian weekly news last april 2008.... |
| 06:22.25 | JDH1 | Debian Lenny to be shipped with qmail and djbdns in main |
| 06:22.25 | JDH1 | In the past Debian users who favoured using the popular software from Dan J. Bernstein (like qmail or djbdns) needed to use packages shipping only the source and compile these programmes themselves or use packages provided by external services. This was due to a restrictive license used by him to distribute his software. However, since Bernstein decided to change the licence terms for his software, qmail and djbdns may be distributed in Debian mai |
| 06:23.05 | JDH1 | so are you saying that Dan didn't change the license after all and Debian just chose not to inform or follow up with us at all? |
| 06:23.39 | nsadmin | no, I was saying "maybe you should check" |
| 06:23.49 | JDH1 | with Dan berntein? |
| 06:23.55 | JDH1 | bernstein? |
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| 06:24.27 | anxiolytic | adb: yes, trying to update etch |
| 06:24.47 | nsadmin | sure... or check the package itself |
| 06:25.02 | KenLaptop | Hey guys. When using SSH with SSH Keys for accessing the servers...is there a way to make SSH try other keys in the .ssh folder? |
| 06:25.05 | nsadmin | any idea what license it is now covered under? |
| 06:25.29 | JDH1 | I have no idea, I was hoping someone else would have read something by now instead of digging around |
| 06:25.56 | nsadmin | instead of them digging around? |
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| 06:26.26 | JDH1 | well I had figured if it were already a topic of discussion that someone knew about, it would be a bit faster |
| 06:26.32 | nsadmin | well sure... if you can do the digging, you'd save them time |
| 06:26.52 | nsadmin | if they don't have to do the digging for you, that is |
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| 06:27.26 | JDH1 | was really just hoping someone on here would already know since it's a popular package that seems to have been left out of lenny |
| 06:27.28 | marc7 | isn't there supposed to be a libapache2-mod-ssl package in lenny, or am I thinking of something else? |
| 06:27.44 | nsadmin | JDH1: they will if you find out and say so |
| 06:28.43 | nsadmin | !djb |
| 06:28.43 | dpkg | well, djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of <qmail>, <djbdns>, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See <wanker>. |
| 06:29.01 | nsadmin | !qmail |
| 06:29.02 | dpkg | qmail is, like, a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it <non-free>. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install on Debian, ask me about <qmail debs>. See also <qmail equivs>. |
| 06:29.12 | marc7 | all of the above is true about djb |
| 06:29.17 | marc7 | :-/ |
| 06:29.21 | JDH1 | right, I get all that |
| 06:29.51 | JDH1 | all i had heard was that debian made an announcement on their website back in april that dan had changed his mind and that it'd be in lenny, if nobody here knows any different, ok, thanks then |
| 06:29.54 | nsadmin | if what you say is true, the factoid is actually inaccurate |
| 06:30.11 | nsadmin | marc7: let me guess... you wanted to use qmail |
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| 06:30.34 | marc7 | nsadmin: am using a heavily patched version of qmail-ldap on a mail cluster |
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| 06:30.54 | marc7 | what I really want is to know what the deal is with apache2+mod_ssl |
| 06:30.59 | marc7 | on lenny |
| 06:31.11 | zinx | is there a deal with it? |
| 06:31.25 | mio_ | i accidentially pulled a raid10 from adaptec raid bios in a 14 disk enclosure, now what are my odds of finding the right combo again? any good advice? |
| 06:31.27 | marc7 | i don't see a libapache2-mod-ssl |
| 06:31.37 | marc7 | i see a *-mod-gnutls, but that's not what I'm looking for |
| 06:31.46 | mio_ | it is 4 disks, but i cannot seem to put them correctly back together |
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| 06:33.00 | nsadmin | JDH1 one thing you could try is to go to his website and poke around there... if he's relicensed his software, downloading the latest version from his site would tell you that as well as what licensse he now has covered his stuff under |
| 06:33.09 | JDH1 | http://qmail.linocomm.net/not-open-source.html |
| 06:33.12 | marc7 | JDH1: what are you trying to accomplish? I came in a bit late. |
| 06:33.15 | JDH1 | qmail is now open source In case you're wondering, qmail is now open source, and qualifies for use of the OSI-Certified trademark. Other programs which Dan Bernstein licenses similarly, including djbdns, ucspi-tcp, and daemontools, are also open source. For a program to be "open source", you must be able to, among other things, change the source and redistribute it. DJB used to prohibit distribution of modified code. DJB has promised that all |
| 06:33.48 | JDH1 | marc7, debian news back in april had announced that DJB had changed his licensing and they were working to include qmail in Main |
| 06:33.54 | JDH1 | with no word on it since and it's not in main |
| 06:34.02 | nsadmin | you could distribute the unmodified code and a patch |
| 06:34.06 | marc7 | JDH1: no, but a lot of his other stuff is |
| 06:34.22 | marc7 | daemontools, djbdns, ucspi-tcp... they can all be installed out-of-the-box |
| 06:34.29 | marc7 | you used to have to apt-get install build-daemontools |
| 06:35.07 | JDH1 | and you still have to get the qmail-src package |
| 06:35.17 | JDH1 | in lenny or testing or unstable |
| 06:35.33 | JDH1 | was just wondering why the announcement and no follow up on it |
| 06:35.45 | nsadmin | perhaps the maint is unaware |
| 06:36.00 | JDH1 | the debian maintainer? |
| 06:36.08 | marc7 | *nod* i don't see a package for qmail itself yet. I might suggest e-mailing the maintainer for some of the other djb packages, Gerrit Pape |
| 06:36.12 | JDH1 | after putting the announcement on Debian Weekly News? |
| 06:36.18 | nsadmin | but then we still don't know what license it's covered under |
| 06:36.25 | marc7 | http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pape%40smarden.org |
| 06:36.39 | JDH1 | right, I don't know what license, I don't really care exactly what license at this point |
| 06:36.50 | martian67 | oh hi pl4yer0ne |
| 06:36.52 | martian67 | remeber that card? |
| 06:37.00 | martian67 | when i got the via rhine driver to load |
| 06:37.04 | martian67 | it changed pci-ids |
| 06:37.14 | martian67 | to a normal via rhine card @__@ |
| 06:37.22 | pl4yer0ne | whoah thats wierd |
| 06:37.29 | martian67 | tell me about it |
| 06:37.46 | martian67 | i figure its a kludge to stop windows from loading a driver for it |
| 06:37.46 | pl4yer0ne | maybe it uses firmware or soemthing..... |
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| 06:39.20 | nsadmin | JDH1: *shrug* perhaps the maint took the same attitude |
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| 06:45.42 | kindofabuzz | what's a cool, simple, yet functional, apache based wiki that i could set up? mainly just for my own uses. |
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| 06:48.11 | JDH1 | kindofabuzz try dokuwiki http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/dokuwiki |
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| 06:49.05 | kindofabuzz | thanks. i will look into that one. |
| 06:49.18 | JDH1 | it's popular, pretty easy |
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| 07:03.38 | debian_noob | Compiz not working on my PC |
| 07:03.44 | debian_noob | earlier i solved the problem by installing libcompizconfig0 |
| 07:03.52 | debian_noob | but now after a fresh install even that is not working |
| 07:03.57 | debian_noob | i just installed debian today |
| 07:04.02 | debian_noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.09 | debian_noob | can anybody help me? |
| 07:04.15 | debian_noob | i am using LENNY |
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| 07:04.50 | debian_noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.56 | debian_noob | Fatal: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work. |
| 07:05.00 | debian_noob | /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0 |
| 07:05.05 | debian_noob | /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 |
| 07:05.10 | arezey | hardware acceleration? |
| 07:05.27 | arezey | !paste |
| 07:05.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 07:05.41 | debian_noob | sorry |
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| 07:06.55 | kindofabuzz | chmod -R 755 wiki/ should make the wiki dir writable correct? |
| 07:07.36 | debian_noob | Can anybody help me? |
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| 07:08.58 | superjet_busy | !tell debian_noob about ask |
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| 07:10.15 | marc7 | as an aside for my earlier question asking about libapache2-mod-ssl |
| 07:10.22 | marc7 | it's apparently part of the base pack |
| 07:10.33 | marc7 | i needed to futz around in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
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| 07:14.26 | debian_noob | i have a problem with compiz. i am running debian lenny. when i try to run compiz --replace, an error comes saying that there were no manageable screens found |
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| 07:14.40 | debian_noob | superjet_busy:Happy? |
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| 07:14.55 | WormFood | what is the "best" nfs server package for sid? I see "nfs-kernel-server" and "unfs3" in the package list |
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| 07:15.21 | superjet_busy | !tell debian_noob about ot |
| 07:16.33 | WormFood | no suggestions? |
| 07:17.04 | debian_noob | superjet_busy:Whats the topic? |
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| 07:21.04 | Old_Fogie | booting up old laptop with yenta, dmesg tells me that the kernel is disabling IRQ#10 , however my pcmcia card uses irq 10 according to /proc/interrupts ; so I keep getting drop eth0. any ideas of what I might do. using a 16bit dfe-650 pcmcia card. thanks in advance. |
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| 07:32.08 | WormFood | no suggestions as to which package to use as a nfs server with sid? |
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| 07:35.34 | Sazpaimon | my apache server is telling me port 80 is in use, but httpd isnt started at all, netstat -ap |grep www shows connections open on www with no pid associated, what gives? |
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| 07:37.15 | WormFood | try "netstat -nlp", and see what is bound to port 80 |
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| 07:37.49 | kindofabuzz | !emerald |
| 07:37.58 | Sazpaimon | ah HA! |
| 07:38.02 | Sazpaimon | ctorrent is running as the apache user |
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| 07:38.19 | kindofabuzz | what repo can i find emerald in? |
| 07:38.26 | kindofabuzz | or do i have to build it? |
| 07:38.29 | WormFood | why the hell would ctorrent be running as the apache user? |
| 07:38.43 | Sazpaimon | for the web interface |
| 07:39.05 | WormFood | aaahhh |
| 07:39.08 | Sazpaimon | theres some web-based torrent client that uses ctorrent |
| 07:39.11 | WormFood | gay, but I understand |
| 07:39.27 | WormFood | it really should be running on some port other than 80 |
| 07:39.28 | Sazpaimon | i forget, i told one hostee he can use it as long as he doesnt hog the bandwidth |
| 07:39.42 | Sazpaimon | i guess i should look into it |
| 07:39.59 | WormFood | at the very least, you shouldn't run it on port 80 |
| 07:40.16 | Sazpaimon | i agree |
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| 07:40.33 | WormFood | which reminds me, I need (want) to check the torrents on my server....haven't checked them in a few days |
| 07:40.43 | arezey | kindofabuzz, maybe http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?p=182 ? |
| 07:40.45 | Sazpaimon | from what i can tell the commandline it was running doesnt show anything about port 80 |
| 07:40.55 | Sazpaimon | but sure enough, netstat said port 80 |
| 07:41.03 | kindofabuzz | arejay, k thanks checking it out |
| 07:41.13 | arezey | arejay? o_O |
| 07:41.30 | arezey | ok people tend to mispell my nick but that's new |
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| 07:42.25 | kindofabuzz | hehe sorry |
| 07:42.31 | WormFood | misspell? you mean people don't have/don't know how to use on tab nick completion? |
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| 07:42.48 | kindofabuzz | i could've sworn i tab completed that |
| 07:43.10 | kindofabuzz | i did, and it looked right hehe |
| 07:43.20 | WormFood | there is an "arejay" nick in the channel |
| 07:43.32 | WormFood | you probably did tab-compete it...to the wrong nick ;) |
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| 07:44.05 | kindofabuzz | yeah it looked close, i'm high |
| 07:44.07 | kindofabuzz | =) |
| 07:44.30 | WormFood | I wished I was high too :P |
| 07:44.46 | Younix | potheads. |
| 07:44.47 | kindofabuzz | come on over, i got ya |
| 07:44.55 | kindofabuzz | who said it was pot? |
| 07:44.59 | WormFood | you come over to my place, I'm busy |
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| 07:45.18 | kindofabuzz | WormFood, i got the shiiznit, you come over |
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| 07:45.35 | WormFood | I'm in æ·±å³å¸çç°åº |
| 07:45.45 | Younix | chuckles |
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| 07:46.01 | WormFood | I really need to get connected here....but I don't know anyone yet |
| 07:46.24 | WormFood | from what I read, it is hard to find good weed here....but hash isn't too hard to find |
| 07:47.04 | WormFood | I *thought* I had some hash the other day, but I get it home, and it turns out it wasn't really hash....it was just all wrapped up to look like hash :( |
| 07:47.14 | kindofabuzz | hmm i wonder how (un)stable this git compiz is on lenny. |
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| 07:47.36 | kindofabuzz | WormFood, i know a girl who makes kick ass hash, she has one of those Bubbleator hash makers |
| 07:47.42 | WormFood | what is the latest stable debian branch? |
| 07:48.08 | WormFood | I always use sid on my personal machine....but I'm setting up a server with the latest stable branch right now |
| 07:48.15 | kindofabuzz | wait waht did you get? just ground up leaves? |
| 07:48.36 | kindofabuzz | and don't you know to look before you buy? |
| 07:48.42 | WormFood | I'm 99% sure my hash comes from India....I always get it from some indian guy in Hong Kong |
| 07:48.43 | WormFood | I didn't buy |
| 07:48.51 | WormFood | and it was nothing...just a piece of leather |
| 07:48.55 | kindofabuzz | lol |
| 07:49.03 | kindofabuzz | did you try to smoke it? |
| 07:49.10 | WormFood | of course |
| 07:49.11 | WormFood | not |
| 07:49.15 | kindofabuzz | =) |
| 07:49.20 | WormFood | I just drink wine now |
| 07:49.28 | WormFood | I can get a 500ml bottle for about $1 usd |
| 07:49.33 | WormFood | 110 proof |
| 07:49.54 | WormFood | I mix it with a little bit of sprite, so it don't taste too bad |
| 07:50.59 | WormFood | did you know, they don't sell Mountain Dew in China, but you can get Sprite and 7-up anywhere....that is frustrating, because Mtn. Dew is my favorite (I can find it, but it costs $1 a can) |
| 07:51.04 | kindofabuzz | i can get moonshine, $35 US a gallon |
| 07:51.24 | WormFood | I can get moonshine for cheap here, if I try to find it |
| 07:51.37 | WormFood | I had some moonshine not too long ago |
| 07:51.38 | kindofabuzz | to tell you the truth i could get you anything you wanted hehe |
| 07:51.44 | kindofabuzz | i hate the stuff |
| 07:51.45 | WormFood | I don't think it is illegal to produce here |
| 07:51.53 | kindofabuzz | i'd rather smoke |
| 07:51.58 | kindofabuzz | no it's not |
| 07:51.58 | WormFood | me too |
| 07:52.10 | WormFood | I never drank beer before I came to China |
| 07:52.14 | kindofabuzz | you can make so many gallons of alchohol per yer or something like that in most places |
| 07:52.17 | kindofabuzz | legally |
| 07:52.25 | WormFood | but, chinese beer tastes better than american beer anyways |
| 07:52.28 | marc7 | which is weird.... because when I went to China, they didn't seem all that big on their beer |
| 07:52.30 | kindofabuzz | i bet |
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| 07:52.39 | kindofabuzz | not better than colorodo micro brews |
| 07:52.48 | marc7 | there's a bunch of beer companies who are trying to make their mark, build their brand |
| 07:52.50 | kindofabuzz | like Fat Tire, that's the stuff right there1 |
| 07:53.10 | WormFood | I went to éå², but didn't visit the beer factory |
| 07:53.20 | WormFood | I did visit the wine factory in å®å®¾ tho |
| 07:53.24 | marc7 | I just feel sorry for the Germans last world cup who could drink nothing but Budweiser due to the sponsorship deeal |
| 07:53.28 | WormFood | that place stinks! |
| 07:53.31 | marc7 | that's terrorism at it's finest |
| 07:53.36 | WormFood | heh |
| 07:53.36 | kindofabuzz | that is |
| 07:53.52 | WormFood | american beer is like making love in a canoe....fuckin' close to water |
| 07:53.59 | marc7 | hahahaha |
| 07:54.01 | kindofabuzz | crosses fingers intalling git version of compiz |
| 07:54.51 | WormFood | marc7, where did you go in China? |
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| 07:55.09 | marc7 | WormFood: went to a friend's wedding in Dongguan, in Guangdong Province |
| 07:55.10 | kindofabuzz | not all true, there are some very nice american brews, of course the big ones arent' what i'm talking about |
| 07:55.18 | WormFood | that is near me |
| 07:55.22 | WormFood | I'm in Shenzhen |
| 07:55.35 | kindofabuzz | why are you in china? |
| 07:55.37 | WormFood | dongguan is about 1/2 way between shenzhen and guangzhou |
| 07:55.48 | WormFood | because I want to be....better than being in usa |
| 07:55.49 | kindofabuzz | well i guess you may be chinese |
| 07:56.04 | WormFood | ææ¯ç¾å½äºº |
| 07:56.07 | kindofabuzz | china is? i doubt that. now Japan, that's another story |
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| 07:56.14 | marc7 | WormFood: we went through Shenzen a couple of times... the host family sent us to the miniature china theme park |
| 07:56.19 | WormFood | I like it here better than in usa |
| 07:56.25 | kindofabuzz | right on |
| 07:56.31 | WormFood | splended china, or window of the world? |
| 07:56.44 | kindofabuzz | got you a chinese girl? |
| 07:56.46 | marc7 | oh god, the fact that there are two is just awesome |
| 07:56.47 | marc7 | splendid china |
| 07:56.49 | kindofabuzz | i want one hehe |
| 07:56.53 | WormFood | a few |
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| 07:57.01 | WormFood | I have 2-4 girlfriends here |
| 07:57.05 | marc7 | hahaha |
| 07:57.06 | WormFood | I don't know how to count them |
| 07:57.11 | WormFood | one is mad at me right now |
| 07:57.20 | WormFood | I have my regular girl |
| 07:57.20 | kindofabuzz | are you caucasion? chinese? black? |
| 07:57.25 | WormFood | yes |
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| 07:57.31 | marc7 | pick one :) |
| 07:57.35 | WormFood | I'm white |
| 07:57.43 | kindofabuzz | a chonky? |
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| 07:58.04 | Agiofws | hello |
| 07:58.06 | marc7 | WormFood: when'd you start picking up Mandarin? |
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| 07:58.13 | WormFood | oh yeah |
| 07:58.23 | WormFood | I've been here over a year (about 13 months) |
| 07:58.33 | WormFood | I haven't been trying real hard, but I've been trying to learn it right |
| 07:58.39 | WormFood | I know a lot of random words |
| 07:58.41 | kindofabuzz | ok restart, let's see how funky this nw compiz will be |
| 07:58.47 | WormFood | I can form simple sentences |
| 07:58.56 | WormFood | I can read more than I can speak |
| 07:59.09 | marc7 | in our two weeks, we learned 'hello, could I have a beer please? thank you!" |
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| 07:59.59 | marc7 | when locals complimented us on our language skills, we replied "nali nali"... they went ape over that :) |
| 08:00.05 | WormFood | I can say that too, but I can't remember how to write all of it |
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| 08:00.23 | WormFood | nali=where |
| 08:00.42 | WormFood | I always say "I don't speak well" |
| 08:01.00 | WormFood | æ说çä¸å¥½ |
| 08:01.08 | marc7 | when responding to a compliment, it's as if you're being modest. "what language skills?" :) |
| 08:01.22 | WormFood | I don't think the ç in that is the right character |
| 08:01.32 | marc7 | do you make the drive to HK often? |
| 08:01.35 | WormFood | I know I suck at speaking chinese |
| 08:01.52 | WormFood | no, I go there when I need to for my visa, as I can only stay for 60 days at a time |
| 08:02.02 | WormFood | I don't have a residence permit yet |
| 08:02.16 | WormFood | but I've been here every day since the 18th of Jan, 2008 |
| 08:02.25 | WormFood | I've gone to HK, but always come back the same day |
| 08:02.43 | WormFood | I am walking distance from the HK border |
| 08:02.59 | WormFood | last time, I walked to customs, went across the border, then took the bus back |
| 08:03.29 | WormFood | I get out of the station (very few foreigners there)...and the guys trying to sell me taxi, or whatever...I say "don't want, I'll walk" |
| 08:03.33 | marc7 | have you spent any time there? not great if you don't speak Cantonese, but pretty much everything is passable |
| 08:03.52 | WormFood | actually, shenzhen is interesting, because not a lot of people here speak cantonese |
| 08:04.01 | WormFood | shenzhen is a young city |
| 08:04.08 | WormFood | now in guangzhou, and hong kong, you'd want to learn cantonese |
| 08:04.24 | WormFood | so many people in shenzhen come from other parts of china, so people have to speak mandarin |
| 08:04.36 | marc7 | do you agree that there's a lot of crime in that city? |
| 08:04.46 | WormFood | I got to see old shenzhen too, which was cool |
| 08:04.53 | WormFood | I don't know, it is hard to say |
| 08:05.03 | WormFood | I've never gotten any fake money, but that is because of what I do with my money |
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| 08:05.44 | WormFood | I've had my friend's PSP stolen from me, and my bike was stolen...in all, about 2000 RMB worth of stuff....I got ripped off on my cell phone, because they sold me a bad one...it is real, not fake, but not good |
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| 08:06.09 | WormFood | I guess there isn't a lot of crime in my area...I mean, compared to other areas |
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| 08:06.11 | marc7 | I take it you're there for work |
| 08:06.15 | WormFood | no |
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| 08:06.19 | marc7 | oh really? |
| 08:06.20 | WormFood | I'm trying to find work here |
| 08:06.23 | marc7 | woah |
| 08:06.50 | WormFood | in 2007, I started saving up my money, selling off as much stuff as I could....I packed up what I wanted to take with me, and moved |
| 08:06.59 | WormFood | I rented my house out to my cousin (I own my home in usa) |
| 08:07.14 | WormFood | I borrowed some money from my uncle (which was paid back with the rent from my house) |
| 08:07.20 | dominikh- | can I force own charset to every virtualhost on apache2? |
| 08:07.23 | marc7 | oh sweet. that's a rockin' revenue stream |
| 08:07.32 | WormFood | not right now |
| 08:07.40 | WormFood | I'm not making any money off it |
| 08:07.48 | WormFood | I think so dominikh- |
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| 08:08.08 | WormFood | hold on, and I'll take a look at my apache config, and see what I did |
| 08:08.08 | dominikh- | thanks :) |
| 08:09.16 | WormFood | oh wait, that isn't on a debian server, so I guess I can't help you :P |
| 08:09.23 | WormFood | since this is a debian channel |
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| 08:12.08 | marc7 | WormFood: best of luck finding work out there |
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| 08:12.20 | WormFood | thanks |
| 08:12.20 | anxiolytic | zOMG help! I'm having this error trying to to apt-get upgrade (etch) A copy of glibc was found in an unexpected directory. ... /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1_i386.deb Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:12.37 | WormFood | I have some irons in the fire...I think I'll make $4k off at least one deal |
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| 08:12.47 | WormFood | if I can get the other deal to go through, I'll make another $1.2K |
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| 08:13.19 | WormFood | dominikh-, AddDefaultCharset |
| 08:15.13 | WormFood | marc7, http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=147 this is my favorite place in shenzhen |
| 08:15.44 | trifler | Is it "normal" to conf the ./configure files defaults? Beacuse when I open it there are some dir-pointers that are wrong. (I'm new to this btw) |
| 08:15.45 | marc7 | woah |
| 08:19.10 | anewbie | hello there guys this morning i found something strange in my main directory |
| 08:19.13 | anewbie | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1815560 2009-02-09 18:31 bb* |
| 08:19.21 | anewbie | this is directly in / |
| 08:19.31 | anewbie | can some one tell me what it is ?! |
| 08:19.35 | marc7 | that sounds suspicious |
| 08:19.39 | marc7 | you can run 'strings' on the file |
| 08:20.12 | marc7 | that might tell you something about what its purpose is |
| 08:20.19 | anewbie | hmm |
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| 08:21.15 | anewbie | marc7, the output looks like encrypted |
| 08:21.16 | anewbie | .. |
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| 08:23.16 | simonrvn | encrypted, or binary? |
| 08:23.47 | anewbie | i can't make the diffrence |
| 08:23.51 | anewbie | do you want pastebin ? |
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| 08:24.22 | simonrvn | me? no, i'm just putting in my 2 cents |
| 08:24.22 | marc7 | if there's *anything* legible, anything english, chances are there's a reason for the file being there |
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| 08:24.53 | marc7 | ie: if you invoked the file from the command line, it would return a "usage:" set of instructions or something similar |
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| 08:25.11 | marc7 | my first suspicion is that it's something to do with a rootkit, but that's looking at it from my sysadmin glasses |
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| 08:27.03 | simonrvn | i'm reading it like that too, mostly for the same reason |
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| 08:28.21 | WormFood | try this anewbie "strings -n 10 bb|less" and see if you see anything readable |
| 08:28.53 | WormFood | use the up/down keys to scroll through the data |
| 08:28.55 | mischief6 | maybe 'file'? |
| 08:29.08 | WormFood | what is that going to tell you, that is useful |
| 08:29.22 | WormFood | I mean, if it is an executable |
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| 08:29.37 | toshiba510cdt | i installed debian lenny on a very old laptop which has 2 pcmcia slots. whenever i insert a wireless pcmcia card, lenny automatically joins the wireless network and gets an ip from the wireless router. i do NOT want that to happen. how can i disable this automatic business? |
| 08:29.40 | WormFood | can't hurt....try "file bb" |
| 08:29.51 | zeno___ | should the image produced by /home/andrew/tmp/androidVNC_build090131.apk be 12kb? i thought was supposed to be 3.5gb |
| 08:29.53 | anewbie | WormFood, ... yeah it is executable |
| 08:29.59 | anewbie | and there is few readble lines |
| 08:30.09 | anewbie | who search dll's and ... C drive :O |
| 08:30.09 | WormFood | toshiba510cdt, edit your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 08:30.16 | zeno___ | oops typo comman was dd if=/dev/zero of=debian2.img seek=2500999999 bs=1 count=1 |
| 08:30.18 | anewbie | looks like windows executable |
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| 08:30.31 | WormFood | sounds like a windows binary, if it is looking for "C:" drive |
| 08:30.42 | mischief6 | anewbie, 'file' should be able to tell you if it is PE or ELF |
| 08:30.52 | mischief6 | (does file check for PE executeables?) |
| 08:31.03 | anewbie | bb: PE32 executable for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit |
| 08:31.12 | mischief6 | there you go =] |
| 08:31.14 | anewbie | :) |
| 08:31.20 | anewbie | this cant harm the system |
| 08:31.26 | anewbie | ... it can't be executed |
| 08:31.26 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.31 | toshiba510cdt | <WormFood> someone suggested that removing network manager would be easier and better but how can achieve that? |
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| 08:31.50 | WormFood | toshiba510cdt, apt-get? |
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| 08:32.51 | Dreamjob | Is there any VNC client which doesn't require X? |
| 08:32.51 | toshiba510cdt | apt-get remove --purge... but what is the actual name of network-manager? |
| 08:33.15 | mischief6 | Dreamjob, what would you have it use? framebuffer? |
| 08:33.29 | Dreamjob | asciiartifying :-)? |
| 08:33.33 | mischief6 | :| |
| 08:33.39 | Dreamjob | I only need to see a little of what I do |
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| 08:34.05 | usuariodebfan | Hi all, i and searching how to fix a udevd message error in booting |
| 08:34.16 | mischief6 | Dreamjob, pipe x to a machine that has x? |
| 08:34.16 | mischief6 | :3 |
| 08:34.33 | Dreamjob | I have no machine with X |
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| 08:34.49 | usuariodebfan | say "... udev starting hotplug dispatcher... init_udevd_socket error address already in use. Failed!" |
| 08:34.51 | Dreamjob | Getting X solely for VNC'ing at work would be... unnecessary |
| 08:34.57 | usuariodebfan | some can help me, please ? |
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| 08:38.21 | Dreamjob | So... there is none? |
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| 08:40.50 | achilles | hello, I'm trying to apply linux quotas to limit users home directories sizes, but can't understand the format in edquota, blocks and inodes . can anyone help me please ? |
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| 08:41.19 | trifler | "Error: mysql_config not found in your $PATH. You may need to install development packages for MySQL." Someone who could help me find this component in apt? :S |
| 08:41.45 | toshiba510cdt | <WormFood> are you still there? |
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| 08:41.54 | trifler | "libmysqlclient15-dev" could this be the right lib? |
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| 08:43.28 | WormFood | yes |
| 08:43.29 | WormFood | sorta |
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| 08:43.54 | Maulkin | !tell trifler about search |
| 08:46.33 | nsadmin | trifler: you have a choice... you can go with debian packaging, which has the minor disadvantage in some cases that the package name does not match the source distribution name... or you can build the mysql part yourself (or look into postgres) |
| 08:46.44 | WormFood | toshiba510cdt, talk to me quick, as I'm gonna leave soon |
| 08:46.55 | giso | is there a way to find out the pc's memory type without opening the computer |
| 08:46.55 | giso | lshw tells me it's DIMM, but now I would like to know if it's DDR1, DDR2 or DDR3 |
| 08:47.12 | nsadmin | you are NOT forced to go with debian packaging... it has some advantages and disadvantages |
| 08:47.28 | toshiba510cdt | apt-get remove --purge... but what is the actual name of network-manager? |
| 08:47.51 | WormFood | I don't know, I don't use it...I modify my config files with vim |
| 08:47.52 | orgthingy | toshiba510cdt: network-manager and network-manager-gnome |
| 08:48.00 | orgthingy | toshiba510cdt: by the way, use wicd if you dont like NM |
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| 08:48.19 | toshiba510cdt | <orgthingy> i do not have gnome |
| 08:48.27 | nsadmin | network-manager doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces, does it? |
| 08:48.28 | trifler | nsadmin: I think I got the right packes from apt. |
| 08:48.39 | orgthingy | toshiba510cdt: oh, i missed that, then network-manager and that's it |
| 08:48.43 | WormFood | giso, you may be able to figure out something by looking at the boot logs of when the kernel comes up |
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| 08:48.50 | Federico2 | morning |
| 08:49.03 | WormFood | Federico2, afternoon |
| 08:49.13 | WormFood | its almost 5pm here :P |
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| 08:49.32 | trifler | Now I have another problem, this is the first time I'm trying to build anything from src. And I'm having some dificulties getting it to work. I get this fault. http://www.pastebin.se/197475 |
| 08:49.47 | WormFood | goes out for a walk....back in a while |
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| 08:50.10 | nsadmin | trifler: do you program in C? if you do, then at least you know the parts of the compiler |
| 08:50.18 | giso | WormFood, my machine is running now ;) and I don't want to reboot |
| 08:50.19 | giso | but thanks for the advise, when I need to reboot I'll look for the info |
| 08:50.35 | trifler | nsadmin: I don't |
| 08:50.37 | WormFood | I didn't suggest you reboot |
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| 08:50.55 | WormFood | I said to look in your logs, from when the kernel boots |
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| 08:51.03 | WormFood | you do have logging enabled, right? |
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| 08:51.18 | nsadmin | trifler: even if you don't program in C, you can still know (or learn) the compiler parts, which you should know for building from source |
| 08:51.21 | WormFood | look at /var/log/messages |
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| 08:52.10 | WormFood | giso, or try "dmesg|less" |
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| 08:53.09 | nsadmin | trifler: what does the message you pasted suggest to you? after you read it, did you try to comprehend what you read? |
| 08:53.09 | toshiba510cdt | <orgthingy> dpkg -l |grep network-manager tells me no package named network-manager is installed so what gives? |
| 08:53.56 | orgthingy | hmmmmm |
| 08:54.04 | orgthingy | dunno ;-/ |
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| 08:54.10 | trifler | nsadmin: It says that it detects apache version 2.2 but it can't find an installation of it. Isen't that a tad weird? |
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| 08:54.24 | orgthingy | cause my wicd removed 'network-manager' |
| 08:54.54 | nsadmin | trifler: perhaps what's not present is needed for -building- what you're trying to build |
| 08:55.14 | nsadmin | (not for -running- apache, for example) |
| 08:55.37 | giso | WormFood, no info on memory type there |
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| 08:56.01 | trifler | nsadmin: I'm not sure that I understand what you mean. Bu I do have apache2 installed. |
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| 08:57.06 | WormFood | giso, it won't tell you directly, but you MAY be able to figure it out based on the info they give you (speed, etc) |
| 08:57.38 | WormFood | another thing, if you know the model of motherboard, you can look it up and see what it supports...for example, if it only supports ddr2, then you know you can't have ddr1 ram installed |
| 08:57.45 | nsadmin | trifler: why would debian succeed in installing the part of apache that is needed to be an apache server, but fail to install the part of apache needed to build modules to insert into it? |
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| 08:58.44 | Federico2 | WormFood... China? |
| 08:58.50 | WormFood | yes |
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| 08:59.02 | WormFood | Shenzhen (just over the border with Hong Kong) |
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| 08:59.18 | trifler | nsadmin: I don't know. Are you mocking me or trying to "open" my eyes? |
| 08:59.22 | Federico2 | cool |
| 08:59.41 | dubphil | Hello ! anyone had gettext broken after the upgrade from Etch to Lenny ? |
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| 09:00.27 | blade | hi dubphil |
| 09:00.40 | nsadmin | what I'm NOT doing is just feeding you the answer |
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| 09:01.29 | achilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.30 | usuariodebfan | Hi all, |
| 09:01.33 | usuariodebfan | some know how to give work progres bar of bootsplash (framebuffer) ? |
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| 09:02.02 | batcoder-7 | what is the best way to search for a file iin a cetain directory? |
| 09:02.11 | nsadmin | what you might do, is go over the entire list of every package that's related and/or comes from apache-2.2 and for each, determine their purpose |
| 09:02.32 | giso | find directory -type f | grep -e "filename" |
| 09:02.36 | WormFood | batcoder-7, find|grep file_you_want |
| 09:02.44 | nsadmin | then you'll be opening your own eyes |
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| 09:03.06 | batcoder-7 | WormFood, will it search the whole system? |
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| 09:03.10 | utabak | hi all, I was reading about the x86 wiki page here, I am a bit confused about my installation selection for debian I have an intel core duo 2 processor on my laptop(which is specified as I64 on the specification sheet), these are specified as x86_64 right, but should I select the i386 installation media or AMD64/IA64 on the installer selection, a bit stupid may be but confused? |
| 09:03.27 | giso | find directory/subdir -type f |
| 09:03.27 | giso | won't |
| 09:03.30 | WormFood | it will search the directory you're in |
| 09:03.45 | blade | someone can give me a url with HowTo Upgrade from debian 4.0 r6 Etch to 5.0 Lenny ? |
| 09:03.58 | azeem | blade: read the release notes |
| 09:04.00 | nsadmin | giso: if there's no directory/subdir in . it won't |
| 09:04.20 | blade | azeem, ok |
| 09:04.24 | batcoder-7 | WormFood, i want it to search all folders in that dir as well |
| 09:04.29 | usuariodebfan | blade: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade |
| 09:04.52 | giso | no, then it won't |
| 09:05.00 | WormFood | this isn't windows, it isn't "folders" it is directories...and yes, find will do that....why don't you try it, and/or read the man page? |
| 09:05.14 | blade | usuariodebfan yes i try this but the problem is i cannot do that from remote via ssh update stops network manager :( |
| 09:05.32 | WormFood | batcoder-7, go into a directory and type "find", and see what you get |
| 09:05.41 | usuariodebfan | ok gurus, how to give work progress bar of bootsplash silent ? |
| 09:05.44 | usuariodebfan | :| |
| 09:05.50 | nsadmin | find is a tough cookie, as it requires an "expression" |
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| 09:06.36 | usuariodebfan | ok.. |
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| 09:07.02 | usuariodebfan | some know how to "mute" udevd errors. Example "address already in use" etc. ? |
| 09:07.22 | dubphil | blade: use screen to proceed to a remote upgrade |
| 09:07.28 | HelloWorld | Hello there, I can mount an fs with sshfs but I am not able to write to the files due to rights. How to allow my user to write to the fs? |
| 09:07.56 | blade | yes i use screen but after network manager stops i cannot connect again |
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| 09:08.08 | dubphil | blade : and do an aptitude install aptitude before the safe-upgrade |
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| 09:08.25 | nsadmin | so it has therefore a language (or an algebra) to write that expression in, and rules for how the expression is evaluated and how the evaluated expression affects whether something is "found" |
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| 09:08.56 | dubphil | blade: uninstall network manager, you don't need this |
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| 09:09.26 | usuariodebfan | blade: use the -d option, |
| 09:09.31 | usuariodebfan | only download |
| 09:09.46 | blade | -d option ? for apt ? |
| 09:09.57 | usuariodebfan | update network-manager manualy, and next continue this dist-upgrade classical |
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| 09:12.02 | nsadmin | dubphil: be careful there... network-manager does not use /etc/network/interfaces, so he'll have to write one... if this is a remote server, there are disconnect hazards and you have to be careful not to get disconnected or the upgrade might fail |
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| 09:13.44 | toshiba510cdt | <nsadmin> how i can install network-manager ? apt-get remove --purge... but what is the actual name of network-manager? |
| 09:14.09 | nsadmin | it's going to be better to either move toward /etc/network/interfaces before the upgrade or else let network-manager stay |
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| 09:14.21 | toshiba510cdt | dpkg -l |grep network-manager tells me no package named network-manager is installed so what gives? |
| 09:14.21 | dpkg | ii |grep network-manager tells me no package named network-manager is installed so what gives 1.4-11.1 toshiba510cdt's private porn collection |
| 09:14.52 | nsadmin | toshiba510cdt: then maybe you['re using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:15.55 | usuariodebfan | some know how to "mute" udevd errors. Example "address already in use" etc. ? |
| 09:15.56 | Hobbes` | qt4 has ugly fonts on lenny .. http://kingsly.net/tmp/qtconfig.png any idea how to fix it ? |
| 09:16.04 | toshiba510cdt | nsadmin: what is that funny message comming from dpkg about my porn collection? it may seem strange but i have none |
| 09:16.33 | Hobbes` | fc-match sans serif returns "dejavu sans" "Book" |
| 09:17.03 | nsadmin | dpkg, obviously his collection is distributed! |
| 09:17.04 | dpkg | okay, nsadmin |
| 09:17.30 | nsadmin | what did it do? |
| 09:18.31 | nsadmin | toshiba510cdt, it's just being a crazy bot |
| 09:18.55 | toshiba510cdt | <nsadmin> a very annoying bot more like |
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| 09:20.07 | nsadmin | better to concentrate on the job at hand |
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| 09:31.00 | Ergo^ | hello , being on lenny stable, what would be the best way to obtain newer version of glibc ? 2.8.x or newer ? |
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| 09:33.36 | jelly-home | Ergo^: why? |
| 09:33.55 | xfel | Hi. Is there anything similiar to "authpf" for debian? |
| 09:34.41 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: im trying to install Titanium preview release 2 on my box and ive ran into "Error: /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by /tmp/kKoJbzd/runtime/libwebkit-1.0.so.1)" |
| 09:34.57 | trifler | nsadmin: I still can't find get it to work. Is it possible that the packe is "bad" ? |
| 09:35.07 | Ergo^ | its open source alternative to Adobe Air so i wanted to check what its worth |
| 09:35.54 | jelly-home | Ergo^: if it's open source, it might be a better idea to build it from source, than to taint your installation with a weird libc |
| 09:36.20 | jelly-home | judd: versions libc6 |
| 09:36.21 | judd | jelly-home: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.7-18 sid: 2.9-3 |
| 09:36.46 | alcohol | heh, sid is ahead? |
| 09:36.52 | alcohol | when did that happen? x; |
| 09:37.21 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: well ill try compiling and see what will happen :-) |
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| 09:37.49 | Ergo^ | maybe they will provide a debian package when it goes GA |
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| 09:38.17 | SCIBOTIC | Hey, I need to buy my little bro a new computer but all the cheaper options have intel integrated graphics, what I want to know is would I be able to slap in a dedicated graphics card in there as well without issue? |
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| 09:42.58 | nkuttler | SCIBOTIC: should work |
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| 09:43.47 | nkuttler | SCIBOTIC: actually, probably involves editing the xorg conf. haven't done something like that in ages |
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| 09:45.42 | almost | hi |
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| 09:48.06 | almost | i am thinking of installing dcc-client from source as the package is not available in lenny due to this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464161 will the surce tar ball not have this bug? |
| 09:48.21 | SCIBOTIC | nkuttler, I think there might've been a BIOS option to disable one or the other, can't remember. |
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| 09:48.49 | almost | source |
| 09:49.00 | SCIBOTIC | nkuttler, But even then, that was years ago and I don't know whether that is how the newer computers work. |
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| 09:51.01 | xfel | SCIBOTIC: Isnt there usually an option in the BIOS for en/dis-abling on-board thingys? |
| 09:51.23 | xfel | kees quiet |
| 09:51.36 | nkuttler | SCIBOTIC: well, see the specs for whatever you buy |
| 09:52.55 | SCIBOTIC | xfel, I recall that but I'm simply not sure, so I need someone to confirm. |
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| 09:53.53 | xfel | SCIBOTIC: On mine I have the choise of selecting PCI/AGP or ONBOARD for primary device |
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| 09:54.12 | SCIBOTIC | There's PEG/PCI on my bios. |
| 09:54.20 | SCIBOTIC | Not sure what the difference between the two are. |
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| 09:55.31 | ronr | hi, I'll be setting up a new desktop soon and I want to use virtualization and run apache and firefox in virtual machines so they can't slow down the rest of my desktop, any suggestions as to what virtualization software to use (I want firefox to run seamless in my kde environment) |
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| 09:57.16 | SCIBOTIC | xfel and nkuttler, some googling suggests that most motherboards with integrated graphics come with the option to disable onboard. |
| 09:57.20 | SCIBOTIC | Cheers. |
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| 09:58.25 | xfel | SCIBOTIC: But you also have the nice option of running a dual head system witn one monitoring your system all the time :) |
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| 09:59.48 | b1n42y | i downloaded openoffice 3 deb package how do i install it |
| 10:00.23 | tomodachi | b1n42y: dpkg -i packagename.deb |
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| 10:00.53 | b1n42y | tomodachi: thats what i thought im getting errors |
| 10:00.56 | nkuttler | b1n42y: why don't you use aptitude? |
| 10:01.26 | nkuttler | b1n42y: you can't just insert random packages without their dependencies |
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| 10:01.40 | tomodachi | b1n42y: they're right |
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| 10:01.53 | tomodachi | if what you want is in the debian repository thats a much better option |
| 10:02.10 | b1n42y | nkuttler: wouldnt dpkg pull dependencies |
| 10:02.21 | nkuttler | b1n42y: no |
| 10:02.52 | b1n42y | nkuttler: i dont think openoffice 3 is in repo |
| 10:03.56 | nkuttler | b1n42y: that's probably true. i would guess that oo.org has their own repo |
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| 10:15.02 | thunderchild | iceweasel doesnt store any bookmarks that are added |
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| 10:16.22 | thunderchild | every time i add a bookmark its added to the bookmarks but as soon as iceweasel is restarted its restored to its previous bookmarks |
| 10:16.59 | Dreamjob | Check with strace to see what happens when you save a bookmark? |
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| 10:18.57 | bartvk | Hi, I've inherited an existing box |
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| 10:19.05 | bartvk | How can I find all files that don't belong to a package? |
| 10:19.20 | bartvk | I.e. are compiled and installed manually? |
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| 10:21.58 | nkuttler | bartvk: hrm, what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:22.28 | bartvk | The previous admin has installed a bunch of PHP Pear packages using 'pear install somepackage' |
| 10:22.45 | nkuttler | bartvk: and he didn't install them in /usr/local/ or /opt/ or something? |
| 10:22.47 | bartvk | Nope |
| 10:22.54 | bartvk | Just in /usr/share/pear |
| 10:23.10 | gynterk | is it possible to log whole boot process via ipmi? |
| 10:23.35 | gynterk | since my xen kernel doesn't want to come up (default from repos) and falls back to fallback kernel |
| 10:23.41 | nkuttler | bartvk: hm, no idea. you could purge everything php related, remove what's still left and reinstall. don't really know anything about pear. |
| 10:24.05 | bartvk | Can't apt somehow find all files which don't belong to a package? |
| 10:24.34 | steven___ | bartvk: install apt-file |
| 10:25.02 | nkuttler | steven___: does that keep track of generated configs, data etc? |
| 10:25.15 | steven___ | apt-file is a command line tool for searching files in packages for the APT package management system |
| 10:25.33 | nkuttler | steven___: that doesn't really answer my question, but ok |
| 10:25.43 | steven___ | so you could pipe files through this see if they belong to a package or not |
| 10:25.49 | nkuttler | actually, _in_ packages is clear |
| 10:25.55 | mne | Hi. I have several dm-crypted disks in my system. Unfortunately, the disk devices change with each reboot: thus one time a crypto disk could be /dev/sda and next time it is /dev/sdd. Usually this problem can be solved by using disk UUIDs, but since the disks are encrypted I don't have disk UUIDs. What can I use instead to uniquely identify my crypto disks ? |
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| 10:26.14 | steven___ | nkuttler: sorry it will onyl show which files are deployed as part of a package |
| 10:26.21 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 10:26.31 | b1n42y | ok incase anyone wants to know how to install open office 3, get deb package, extract it, then dpkg -i *.deb, then install desktop integration file in same manner |
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| 10:27.14 | b1n42y | wualla and heres one i made earlier |
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| 10:33.43 | Crissi | hello |
| 10:33.48 | Dreamjob | Hi |
| 10:33.52 | Crissi | i have an problem with etch and openssh |
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| 10:34.05 | Crissi | i use kate from kde to open files via sftp. |
| 10:34.42 | Dreamjob | And the problem is? |
| 10:34.46 | Crissi | that worked fine a long time. after some updates on the etch based server i often got an error when i want to write the modified file back |
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| 10:35.05 | Dreamjob | And what error is it that you get? |
| 10:35.27 | Crissi | no permission |
| 10:35.32 | bartvk | I think I found what I was looking for. If you want to see files that don't belong to packages, you can use the 'cruft' command. |
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| 10:35.54 | Crissi | now, i open the file as user via vim on the server and i dont have write permissions (but file permissions are ok) |
| 10:36.11 | Dreamjob | There the problem is :-) |
| 10:36.19 | Dreamjob | You can't write without write permissions (obviously) |
| 10:36.23 | Crissi | how i can find which process has locked the file? |
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| 10:36.31 | Crissi | i have the permissions |
| 10:36.31 | OpenTokix | Crissi: maybe it's ownership problem on the folder or something? |
| 10:36.57 | OpenTokix | Crissi: fuser will show info about filesystem, check manpage for details |
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| 10:37.56 | Crissi | nothing |
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| 10:38.25 | Crissi | interesting is that if i use force write on vim (:wq!) it writes |
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| 10:39.17 | Crissi | maybe on problem with filesystem? (long time ago i had such a problem, after fsck all was ok) |
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| 10:40.30 | OpenTokix | Crissi: if yo uhave fs-problems, chech dmesg |
| 10:40.35 | OpenTokix | Crissi: it will show up there |
| 10:40.52 | OpenTokix | Crissi: what permission does the file have? |
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| 10:42.01 | Crissi | -rw-rwsr-- |
| 10:42.07 | Crissi | i'm in the group |
| 10:42.29 | OpenTokix | Crissi: check the fileattributes |
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| 10:42.47 | OpenTokix | Crissi: lsattr |
| 10:43.00 | Crissi | lsattr says none (--------------------------) |
| 10:43.11 | OpenTokix | Crissi: o |
| 10:43.12 | b1n42y | wonders if nick message is to him |
| 10:43.13 | OpenTokix | Crissi: oki |
| 10:43.28 | Crissi | like my .bashrc |
| 10:43.36 | Crissi | its really strange |
| 10:43.46 | OpenTokix | Crissi: What rights does the folder above the file have? |
| 10:44.08 | b1n42y | Crissi: maybe its something to do with vim ! |
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| 10:44.33 | b1n42y | Crissi: forcing writes shouldnt work with file premissions im guessing the problem lies with vim |
| 10:44.55 | Crissi | root can modify the file, the containing folder has: drwxrwsr-x |
| 10:45.11 | OpenTokix | Crissi: ok |
| 10:45.31 | AndrewMohawk | with a trivial repo, can i not overwrite files after installing? For example, the app installing from my repo needs apache2, and within the .deb i have /apache/sites-available/default so that it overwrites the default after install |
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| 10:46.12 | nkuttler | AndrewMohawk: i think you want dpkg --force-help |
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| 10:46.31 | AndrewMohawk | its running from apt-get |
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| 10:47.34 | nkuttler | AndrewMohawk: i think you want dpkg --force-help, or purge and reinstall the file |
| 10:48.06 | AndrewMohawk | i don't think a client will appreciate having to do that :/ |
| 10:48.10 | AndrewMohawk | lemme google some more |
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| 10:48.29 | nkuttler | AndrewMohawk: wait, you have your own repo? |
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| 10:48.59 | nkuttler | AndrewMohawk: with your own packages? see dpkg-divert |
| 10:49.01 | AndrewMohawk | nkuttler: yeah |
| 10:49.11 | Crissi | interesting: if i create a new file in the folder that works fine |
| 10:49.34 | AndrewMohawk | well lets say my repo has a new index.php file that i want in the webroot of apache2, and i want apache2's webroot to be /usr/webroot/ or whatever |
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| 10:50.09 | AndrewMohawk | so when someone runs apt-get <myapp> after discovering the repo etc.. i want it to install the dependencies (apache2 in this example) and then overwrite the apache2 config files with my own |
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| 10:51.06 | nkuttler | !tell AndrewMohawk about divert |
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| 10:51.33 | AndrewMohawk | thanks nkuttler, ill have a look |
| 10:51.42 | AndrewMohawk | just have no idea how to get that into the .deb |
| 10:52.23 | asulao | I'm having problems using a 64-bit driver with ndiswrapper, dmesg shows many lines like: "Unknown cmd fd(0) cmd(40056e00){t:'n';sz:5} arg(ffd56a34) on /dev/ndiswrapper (deleted)" and no device is listed with iwconfig. what's up with this? |
| 10:53.35 | asulao | !ndiswrapper |
| 10:53.36 | dpkg | i heard ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:57.49 | ukl | hello. |
| 10:58.19 | orgthingy | !wireless > orgthingy |
| 10:58.48 | Dreamjob | orgthingy: ever been to ArloriaNET? |
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| 10:59.09 | orgthingy | Dreamjob: yes :-) |
| 10:59.15 | orgthingy | but I'm not there atm |
| 10:59.28 | Dreamjob | I'm Cat :-) |
| 10:59.31 | ukl | despite some "old news" I found, what's the current status of Debian "multiarch"? I'm using squeeze x86-64 atm but as I wanted to change something, I intend to reinstall everything using sid. It could seem like an ideal point to try what has been done in this problem area so far.... |
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| 10:59.45 | orgthingy | ah, nice |
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| 11:01.03 | Amse | Hello |
| 11:01.05 | Dreamjob | When did you leave? |
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| 11:01.32 | Amse | Which are the latests testing repositories? |
| 11:01.55 | nkuttler | Amse: latest? |
| 11:02.04 | maxagaz | how to list the users being part of a group ? |
| 11:02.10 | Amse | yep |
| 11:02.21 | nkuttler | Amse: define latest |
| 11:02.29 | Amse | testing |
| 11:02.33 | Amse | not unstable |
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| 11:02.35 | nkuttler | ... |
| 11:02.37 | Amse | sorry |
| 11:02.47 | nkuttler | testing is testing, there isn't really a difference |
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| 11:03.54 | Amse | well, so which are the testing repositories, actually? |
| 11:04.02 | Dreamjob | testing ofc |
| 11:04.36 | Amse | I've heard Lenny is now stable |
| 11:04.45 | nkuttler | !tell Amse about testing |
| 11:04.52 | nkuttler | Amse: yeah |
| 11:05.00 | Dreamjob | !tell Dreamjob about testing |
| 11:05.07 | Amse | so i want to update my system |
| 11:05.14 | Amse | thanks a lot. |
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| 11:05.46 | Dreamjob | Why do you want testing? |
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| 11:06.11 | Amse | For example, Amarok 2 is not in the stable repo... |
| 11:06.25 | Amse | And i want to update many of my programs |
| 11:06.33 | Dreamjob | I don't think you want testing |
| 11:06.43 | Amse | well |
| 11:06.46 | xfel | Anyone know if it is possible to stil use iptables on physical interfaces which are part of a ehternet bridge? |
| 11:07.12 | Amse | I use testing since sarge was testing |
| 11:07.25 | Dreamjob | Why? |
| 11:07.39 | Amse | i supposed it's tradition xD |
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| 11:07.58 | Dreamjob | You know that 'testing' usually means "We test things until they break, then we fix them"? |
| 11:08.12 | Amse | ... |
| 11:08.13 | Dreamjob | Not "get the latest software" |
| 11:08.19 | Amse | I know |
| 11:08.28 | Dreamjob | If you just want the latest software, make your own debs :D |
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| 11:09.37 | Arrowmaster | dpkg, tell Amse lenny->squeeze |
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| 11:10.51 | b1n42y | dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 11:10.51 | dpkg | At present, it should be no more difficult than s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while. If you don't know what that means or why that would be, stick with lenny. |
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| 11:14.18 | Crissi | i found a hack: if i do "echo '' >> myfile.txt" then the lock is gone |
| 11:14.28 | Crissi | what the hell is there wrong? |
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| 11:14.54 | Amse | Thanks. |
| 11:15.02 | Amse | ? |
| 11:15.07 | Gigantic | hi, what group should I have access to use artsd and sound? |
| 11:15.19 | Gigantic | I loss sound after reboot |
| 11:15.25 | Gigantic | using alsa of course |
| 11:15.42 | b1n42y | will ubuntu debs work in lenny, i have around 900mb saved from apt |
| 11:15.49 | Amse | maybe a conflict between artsd and esd |
| 11:16.17 | nkuttler | Crissi: watch those file permissions and the sticky bit |
| 11:16.18 | ukl | Could someone please remove chuck from the x86-64 repositories? The package has never been functional and the bug report about this issue from like 2005 has not been replied to. |
| 11:16.22 | Gigantic | ESD not installed |
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| 11:16.52 | ukl | it is nothing that could be fixed easily (from what the mailing list suggests), so it should better be taken away |
| 11:17.00 | Amse | and jack or other sound server? |
| 11:17.18 | Gigantic | nope... but Im going to doublecheck... |
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| 11:19.30 | Amse | <Dreamjob> You know that 'testing' usually means "We test things until they break, then we fix them"? |
| 11:19.40 | Amse | what means "usually"?¿ |
| 11:19.54 | Amse | 'cause i was on debian.org |
| 11:20.05 | Amse | and i found a line that says |
| 11:20.43 | Gigantic | this is weird... amarokapp 5959 mu mem REG 8,2 790768 201906281 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 as some others too... but... artsd 24058 mu mem REG 8,2 422972 202968787 /usr/lib/libsoundserver_idl.so.1.0.0 |
| 11:20.51 | Amse | # It must have fewer release-critical bugs than, or the same number as, the version currently in testing; |
| 11:20.51 | Amse | # All of its dependencies must either be satisfiable by packages already in testing, or be satisfiable by the group of packages which are going to be installed at the same time; |
| 11:20.51 | Amse | # The operation of installing the package into testing must not break any packages currently in testing. |
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| 11:24.52 | Gigantic | lsof | grep sound > nothing |
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| 11:26.05 | Gigantic | artsd restart: ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: Permission denied || ls -gilshn /dev/snd/seq > 7198 0 crw-rw---- 1 29 116, 1 Feb 25 18:15 /dev/snd/seq |
| 11:27.45 | Amse | Dreamjob: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Debian |
| 11:28.07 | Amse | In this webpage, says that Amarok 2 is not supported on lenny. |
| 11:28.15 | Amse | more reasons to update? |
| 11:28.39 | Gigantic | I don't like Amarok2 |
| 11:28.53 | Gigantic | and lack many features Amarok 1.x have |
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| 11:28.59 | Amse | Excuse my poor english level... sometimes it could be like a joke. |
| 11:29.20 | Gigantic | plus the interface is kind of messed up and it does no longer suppord any db but embeded mysql |
| 11:29.21 | Amse | Gigantic: Amarok 1.4 doesn't support wikipedia "as if" |
| 11:29.45 | Amse | People must patch the program if they want to work with wikipedia. |
| 11:29.55 | Gigantic | yeah but, Amarok 2 doesnt even have an equalizer... |
| 11:30.05 | Gigantic | no like a month ago at least |
| 11:30.13 | Gigantic | and stuff like that |
| 11:30.15 | Amse | well, is in testing, yet |
| 11:30.22 | Gigantic | yeah, my point |
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| 11:30.33 | Gigantic | all KDE4 is not really ready yet |
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| 11:30.52 | Amse | I don't try KDE4 yet |
| 11:30.54 | Gigantic | I hate how distros like Suse and Fedora make it default |
| 11:31.08 | Gigantic | I did, is quite usable but lack many many things |
| 11:31.28 | Gigantic | the beta looks almost complete tho |
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| 11:33.46 | Gigantic | omg wth... permision denied to read /dev ? |
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| 11:35.51 | Gigantic | brb |
| 11:35.52 | nkuttler | !tell Gigantic about errors |
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| 11:39.10 | Gigantic | got it :) |
| 11:39.11 | Amse | ... |
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| 11:39.27 | Gigantic | all I need to fix anything is to bother people here :p |
| 11:39.37 | Gigantic | it was libaoss |
| 11:40.35 | Gigantic | alsa-oss to be exact... u were telling dpkg to tell me something? the purpose of life maybe |
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| 11:43.41 | dokma | hey guys! how do I list contents of a package that is installed? |
| 11:43.49 | petemc | dpkg -L |
| 11:43.49 | dpkg | petemc: are you using Windows? |
| 11:44.02 | Gigantic | lol |
| 11:44.04 | arezey | hahaha |
| 11:44.25 | dokma | petemc: thanks! |
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| 11:45.22 | b1n42y | have there been any updates to lenny since its release, how do i run the updater |
| 11:45.27 | Gigantic | btw, anybody know the name of the little char table you get with scim? |
| 11:45.35 | arezey | b1n42y, nope |
| 11:45.47 | arezey | b1n42y, if ye wants updates, use squeeze, the new testing |
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| 11:45.52 | Gigantic | b1n42y: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:46.38 | b1n42y | does that go for security updates as well or does come up and get updated automatically |
| 11:46.55 | arezey | it updates everything |
| 11:46.55 | b1n42y | arezey: Gigantic : thanks |
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| 11:47.18 | Gigantic | check your apt list in /etc/apt/sourceslist |
| 11:47.27 | Gigantic | Deb has 3 updates |
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| 11:47.46 | arezey | sources.list, you mean :) |
| 11:47.51 | Gigantic | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:48.06 | Gigantic | is one of the sec update lines |
| 11:48.18 | b1n42y | Gigantic: hmmm so is there an app which does this automatically for me? |
| 11:48.21 | Gigantic | ya |
| 11:48.31 | b1n42y | Gigantic: being |
| 11:48.40 | arezey | there's synaptic |
| 11:48.42 | Gigantic | there is something like unwatched updates... |
| 11:48.59 | arezey | but you still have to run synaptic manually |
| 11:49.14 | b1n42y | arezey: synaptic does look for updates automatically |
| 11:49.22 | b1n42y | hehe |
| 11:49.26 | arezey | dunno, but i doubt it |
| 11:49.31 | arezey | i don't use synaptic :) |
| 11:49.38 | b1n42y | doesnt* |
| 11:49.42 | b1n42y | kde here |
| 11:49.54 | arezey | here too |
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| 11:50.19 | b1n42y | Gigantic: not sure what you mean by there is something like unwatched updates... |
| 11:50.27 | Gigantic | yep |
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| 11:50.36 | Gigantic | was trying to recall the name |
| 11:50.41 | b1n42y | oh |
| 11:50.50 | ribasushi | is there a specific role for /srv ? |
| 11:51.01 | ribasushi | I've seen it on most recent installs and it is generally empty |
| 11:51.33 | Gigantic | ribasushi: ftp/cvs/http |
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| 11:51.33 | arezey | gigantic, apache2 uses /var |
| 11:51.35 | Gigantic | so, u put the apache docs tree there ej |
| 11:51.47 | Gigantic | yes... |
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| 11:51.51 | Gigantic | by default |
| 11:51.59 | Gigantic | and ftp uses /home |
| 11:52.10 | Gigantic | but, that's likely to change soon |
| 11:52.28 | arezey | ok |
| 11:52.40 | Gigantic | cvs already default to srv I think |
| 11:52.43 | Gigantic | but not sure |
| 11:52.50 | ribasushi | except noone uses cvs :D |
| 11:52.54 | ukl | does anybody know about pppd having some default "name" for a service? This sounds weird, but I found some description of a problem someone had with the same modem as I'm having trouble with that was solved by not setting some "name" for the service that should normally be unimportant but corrupts this special modem. |
| 11:53.19 | ukl | does this ring any bells? (I haven't set anything like this description but the connection fails) |
| 11:53.37 | ribasushi | ok then comes question two - is there some debian policy outlining when packages will mess with /srv ? I don't want some future package to mangle my repo or website or whatever |
| 11:53.41 | StarkD | i just threw out windows vista and installed debian lenny. it really works like a charm! i want to get a better understanding of the system and made it difficult for myself and didn't install "laptop" and "standard system". now i'm searching for a guide to help me set up the Thinkpad T61 mouse. any suggestions? |
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| 11:53.51 | ribasushi | or is policy not to write anything to srv automatically? |
| 11:54.12 | dalfz | is there a tool to setup eth0 manually in deb 5.00? |
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| 11:55.13 | Gigantic | ribasushi: I dont know of anything in Debian that use /srv atm except cvs |
| 11:55.23 | Gigantic | so, write w/e u want there |
| 11:55.49 | Gigantic | I'm used to put the apache stuff in there, so it is there... no big deal |
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| 11:56.21 | Gigantic | dalfz: u mean the network? |
| 11:56.28 | Gigantic | dhclient eth0? |
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| 11:58.02 | dalfz | Gigantic thanks, but it's static ip. i think i got it now |
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| 11:58.41 | Gigantic | StarkD: http://temporaryland.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/finding-the-right-distro-for-my-thinkpad-t61-part1/ http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installation_instructions_for_the_ThinkPad_T61 |
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| 11:59.07 | Gigantic | http://www.linux-on-laptops.com has many links to how to install Linux on diff laps |
| 11:59.20 | b1n42y | dpkg updates |
| 11:59.54 | dalfz | when i'm booting the server, it says "booting the kernel" "loading, please wait..." then it says, cannot load (network interface) bnx2 firmware file bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw. do i need to modify initrd or something? |
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| 12:02.31 | StarkD | Gigantic: thanks |
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| 12:03.02 | Gigantic | b1n42y: dpkg-reconfigure firmware-bnx2 |
| 12:03.12 | Gigantic | maybe |
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| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ez_install' returned no results. |
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| 12:15.17 | WormFood | isn't there a tool to make it easy to select mirrors in the /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 12:15.47 | petemc | !apt-spy |
| 12:15.47 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
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| 12:16.14 | OpenTokix | WormFood: don't you just select a mirror when you install? |
| 12:16.22 | WormFood | awesome, thanks petemc |
| 12:16.31 | WormFood | yes OpenTokix, I did select a mirror, but it is painfully slow |
| 12:16.42 | OpenTokix | netselect-apt is nice to |
| 12:17.21 | WormFood | ok, I'll check it out on my other box |
| 12:17.23 | WormFood | thanks OpenTokix |
| 12:17.33 | Gigantic | apt-spy works again? |
| 12:17.37 | Gigantic | was broken |
| 12:18.00 | petemc | wasnt netselect not in the repos? |
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| 12:18.12 | WormFood | net select is in lenny |
| 12:18.18 | petemc | handy enough |
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| 12:19.01 | trifler | Is it dangerous in source.list to edit etch to stable? |
| 12:19.11 | OpenTokix | trifler: yes, since etch is old-stable |
| 12:19.16 | Gigantic | ~etch-lenny |
| 12:19.24 | Gigantic | !etch-lenny |
| 12:19.24 | OpenTokix | trifler: if you change to stable, you will get lenny next time youo do a update |
| 12:19.26 | enouf | see /topic |
| 12:19.38 | Gigantic | w/e lol |
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| 12:19.54 | OpenTokix | trifler: basically you should always have releasename in sources.list, unless you know what you are doing. |
| 12:20.07 | OpenTokix | trifler: ie. lenny and not stable, and etch not anything else - etc. |
| 12:20.26 | Gigantic | apt-spy Segmentation fault |
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| 12:21.03 | Gigantic | I've never rly have seen it working |
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| 12:21.28 | trifler | OpenTokix: Okey, The thing is i want to get ahold of luarocks which is not apprent to me atm. so i'd like to be able to get it. |
| 12:21.38 | WormFood | what branch Gigantic? |
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| 12:21.44 | Gigantic | lenny |
| 12:22.13 | Gigantic | but, I dont need it... |
| 12:22.17 | WormFood | seems to be working ok...so far...on sid |
| 12:22.21 | Gigantic | nite |
| 12:22.30 | Gigantic | ok, |
| 12:22.35 | asulao | hello. problem using ndiswrapper with amd64 kernel: http://rafb.net/p/Lym4Th68.html what may be wrong? |
| 12:22.38 | dalfz | where do i put the bnx2 firmware file, that kernel asks for before loading filesystem? |
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| 12:22.59 | petemc | dalfz: you can get it from packages.debian.org |
| 12:23.05 | Slartibartfast | During setup i accidently type a dot during the domain name question .... now i have in many configurations a double dot ? .. where can i change that system wide ? |
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| 12:23.21 | petemc | buntfalke: /etc/hosts /etc/hostname |
| 12:23.23 | WormFood | apt-spy seems to be working perfectly for me on sid |
| 12:23.26 | petemc | fuck |
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| 12:23.36 | petemc | Slartibartfast: /etc/hosts /etc/hostname |
| 12:23.43 | buntfalke | petemc: watch your choice of words |
| 12:23.45 | dalfz | petemc i have the file, and loading bnx2 module after boot is ok, but kernel complains during boot. |
| 12:23.49 | petemc | buntfalke: what? |
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| 12:23.56 | buntfalke | stop cursing ;-) |
| 12:23.59 | petemc | fuck that |
| 12:24.19 | trifler | !dpkg source |
| 12:24.19 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
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| 12:24.32 | WormFood | I like that apt-spy lets me elect my region, where netselect-apt does not |
| 12:24.43 | buntfalke | ...well. Someone with operator rights might take care of that. |
| 12:24.48 | trifler | !dpkg deb-src |
| 12:24.49 | dpkg | i guess deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
| 12:24.50 | petemc | dalfz: but it works? |
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| 12:25.14 | dalfz | petemc yea, but after i rmmod/modprobe bnx2 |
| 12:25.17 | petemc | buntfalke: cursing isnt forbidden - your nick is only one letter away from cuntfalke |
| 12:25.19 | WormFood | but sadly, it appears that apt-spy isn't working....looked like it was |
| 12:25.25 | asulao | hello. problem using ndiswrapper with amd64 kernel: http://rafb.net/p/Lym4Th68.html what may be wrong? |
| 12:25.35 | Slartibartfast | petemc: thanx anyway :-) ... hope it is seen after the changes and with the next boot up :-) ... the domain name was only mentioned in /etc/hosts as 127.0.1.1 |
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| 12:25.49 | zeeble | hi.. is everyone's "pidgin" IM working, or is it just my enthusiastic IT department? |
| 12:25.51 | petemc | dalfz: theres mention of that in the bts |
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| 12:26.12 | zeeble | heya Slartibartfast |
| 12:26.35 | Slartibartfast | zeeble 42 |
| 12:26.41 | Slartibartfast | :-) |
| 12:26.42 | zeeble | towels |
| 12:26.49 | buntfalke | petemc: It is. We're at freenode in #debian, not at quakenet in #idiots |
| 12:26.53 | dalfz | petemc the bts? |
| 12:26.54 | Slartibartfast | love norway :-) |
| 12:27.01 | zeeble | hehe |
| 12:27.01 | buntfalke | petemc: so read up on netiquette and watch your language, please |
| 12:27.15 | petemc | ok cuntfalke |
| 12:27.16 | dalfz | bugtraq |
| 12:27.32 | Slartibartfast | :-) stay of the pggb ... |
| 12:27.38 | buntfalke | good. |
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| 12:27.53 | kjs | I have a box running sarge 3.1, I need to upgrade it to current should i go sarge > etch > lenny |
| 12:27.59 | zeeble | Slartibartfast: that afda channel still functional? |
| 12:28.06 | Eulex | kjs, yes |
| 12:28.11 | Slartibartfast | no idea :-) |
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| 12:28.17 | kjs | via apt-get distupgrade ? |
| 12:28.18 | zeeble | hmm. been a while. |
| 12:28.28 | trifler | Hmm is there an explanation to what main, contrib and non-free means? |
| 12:28.40 | arezey | main contains most of the stuff |
| 12:28.44 | arezey | !contrib |
| 12:28.44 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 12:28.47 | arezey | !non-free |
| 12:28.47 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:29.13 | WormFood | wow, netselect-apt is great...I can't believe how fast my new mirror is compared to before |
| 12:29.29 | trifler | But instead of stable you should specify the actual verison, etch or lenny if you dont happen to know what you're doing :) |
| 12:29.46 | WormFood | and as soon as I say that, it slows to a snail's pace |
| 12:30.02 | asulao | hello. problem using ndiswrapper with amd64 kernel: http://rafb.net/p/Lym4Th68.html what may be wrong? |
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| 12:31.34 | mne | Hi, is it possible to use privoxy with and without tor at the same time ? (Thus one listening port of privoxy should use tor while another listening port should use the direct internet connection) |
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| 12:33.54 | buntfalke | mne: it should be possible, just run it twice, using different configurations |
| 12:34.48 | mne | buntfalke, i was hoping that I could just run it once |
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| 12:36.19 | buntfalke | mne: i'm not familiar with the configuration enough anymore, but the config file should reveale wether it's possible even when running it just once or not |
| 12:38.13 | mne | buntfalke, by looking at the config file it does not seems that privoxy supports it. I'm modifying my init.d scripts so that I can run multiple privoxy instances. thanks |
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| 12:42.05 | sameerynho | can i add my public key to debian keyserver? |
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| 12:47.01 | asulao | hello. problem using ndiswrapper with amd64 kernel: http://rafb.net/p/Lym4Th68.html what may be wrong? |
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| 12:51.04 | kaushal | hi |
| 12:51.30 | kaushal | is there a way to find out the files contained in not yet installed package in the system |
| 12:51.32 | kaushal | ? |
| 12:51.40 | petemc | kaushal: apt-file |
| 12:51.47 | petemc | kaushal: or look on packages.debian.org |
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| 12:52.18 | kaushal | petemc, i did dpkg -S package does not work |
| 12:52.36 | petemc | no, thats for finding out which package an installed file belongs to |
| 12:52.53 | kaushal | I am using ubuntu :) |
| 12:53.05 | enouf | ... |
| 12:53.08 | zeitsofa | ^^ |
| 12:53.48 | kaushal | I mean ubuntu is based out of debian |
| 12:53.51 | kaushal | right ? |
| 12:53.59 | petemc | but its not debian, and not supported here |
| 12:54.09 | petemc | so ask your questions in #ununtu |
| 12:54.22 | zeitsofa | kaushal: #ubuntu is the better place :) |
| 12:56.34 | themill | Should we start a serious "ubuntuqotd" on why #ubuntu is the place for ubuntu questions.... Something like: <kaushal> is there a way to find out the files contained in not yet installed package in the system <petemc> kaushal: look on packages.debian.org <kaushal> I am using ubuntu :) |
| 12:57.04 | themill | (feel free to add *plonk* to the end...) |
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| 12:59.57 | Akuw | i need a screen capture application to capture all i do |
| 13:00.02 | myeggo | hello, i want install a video streaming for lan, is there a way except vlc? |
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| 13:00.05 | Akuw | and save in swf |
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| 13:00.18 | Akuw | i want to create some tutorials with that |
| 13:00.20 | kurgon | myeggo www.fuckinggoogleit.com |
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| 13:00.27 | myeggo | i tried that kurgon |
| 13:00.35 | myeggo | i found a mpeg4ip |
| 13:00.42 | myeggo | but it does not work to |
| 13:00.44 | jelly | themill: an irritable " THIS IS NOT #ubuntu " in topic... doesn't help at all |
| 13:00.50 | OpenTokix | myeggo: squeezecenter, non-free tho |
| 13:00.50 | myeggo | but never mind |
| 13:01.00 | zeitsofa | Akuw: scrot can do that :) |
| 13:02.31 | themill | judd info pyvnc2swf |
| 13:02.31 | judd | themill: pyvnc2swf (graphics): is optional; Version: 0.9.3-2; Size: 67.9k; Installed: 360k -- screen recording tool with Flash (SWF) output |
| 13:02.32 | myeggo | oh thank |
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| 13:03.14 | themill | judd: quite. But people seem too need concrete examples of why ubuntu is OT here... just wondering if we should collect them :) |
| 13:03.14 | judd | themill: Error: "quite." is not a valid command. |
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| 13:03.29 | themill | dpkg, lart judd |
| 13:03.29 | dpkg | farts in judd's general direction |
| 13:03.35 | themill | jelly: ^^ |
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| 13:05.16 | jelly | serves you right! |
| 13:05.43 | asulao | hello. problem using ndiswrapper with amd64 kernel: http://rafb.net/p/Lym4Th68.html what may be wrong? |
| 13:06.43 | Akuw | is there any guide of pyvnc2swf ? |
| 13:07.37 | dtcrshr | hi there, i got etch 64, and im having trouble installing wine |
| 13:07.46 | dtcrshr | for 64, thers only for lenn |
| 13:08.12 | ronr | I'll be setting up a new desktop soon and I want to use virtualization and run apache and firefox in virtual machines so they can't slow down the rest of my desktop, any suggestions as to what virtualization software to use (I want firefox to run seamless in my kde environment) |
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| 13:08.25 | jelly | dtcrshr: is upgrading to stable out of the question? |
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| 13:08.52 | dtcrshr | whats the latest stable 64 release? |
| 13:09.17 | OpenTokix | dtcrshr: lenny |
| 13:09.18 | jelly | dtcrshr: lenny. read the topic |
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| 13:09.36 | dtcrshr | sorry |
| 13:10.23 | dtcrshr | but its recent uh? |
| 13:10.36 | dtcrshr | nice work dudes |
| 13:10.51 | dtcrshr | ill read some more about updating to lenny without messing up my server |
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| 13:11.34 | Arrowmaster | !dpkg etch->lenny |
| 13:11.34 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" or "stable" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 13:11.37 | jelly | having wine... on a server machine seems like an unusual concept |
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| 13:11.53 | jatt | hi do the scripts on /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ run when using wireless? |
| 13:13.20 | kurgon | Linux mybox.net 2.6.24.5-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 #3 SMP Wed May 28 09:09:25 CEST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:13.30 | kurgon | what version of debian am i running ? |
| 13:13.36 | kurgon | and should i somehow upgrade ? |
| 13:14.25 | Arrowmaster | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:14.47 | kurgon | returns, 4.0 |
| 13:14.52 | asulao | !lenny >asulao |
| 13:15.19 | asulao | !lenny |
| 13:15.20 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 13:15.50 | asulao | !etch->lenny |
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| 13:16.44 | nsadmin | asulao: or /msg dpkg lenny and /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 13:17.18 | marek__ | hi, how can i install pgsql 8.3 in debian? from default repos i have 7.5 and i need 8.3... |
| 13:17.43 | nsadmin | marek__: what version |
| 13:17.57 | marek__ | what version of deb? |
| 13:18.12 | nsadmin | you've already said the version of pg :) |
| 13:18.16 | nsadmin | so, yes |
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| 13:18.22 | stew | marek__: if you are running oldstable, 8.3 is available from backports.org, however the current version of debian stable includes 8.3, you should consider upgrading |
| 13:18.43 | marek__ | well nsadmin i dont really know, give me a sec |
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| 13:18.50 | asulao | !etch->lenny |
| 13:18.57 | nsadmin | asulao: or /msg dpkg lenny and /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 13:19.08 | asulao | k |
| 13:19.09 | asulao | thx |
| 13:19.14 | marek__ | that is 4.0 |
| 13:19.20 | stew | judd: versions postgresql |
| 13:19.23 | judd | stew: postgresql -- etch: 7.5.22 sid: 8.3.5-1 etch-backports: 8.3.6-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.6-1 sid: 8.3.6-1 squeeze: 8.3.6-1 |
| 13:19.31 | nsadmin | ok, so as stew mentions you have a coupla choices |
| 13:19.42 | asulao | nsadmin doesn't seem to work anyway |
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| 13:19.50 | marek__ | ok, can you tell me if i have to add some repos? |
| 13:19.53 | mifritscher | hi |
| 13:19.55 | nsadmin | you mean when you're not in the channel? |
| 13:20.11 | mifritscher | how can I automate the debconf from phpmyadmin the easiest way? |
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| 13:20.16 | nsadmin | that's right, the bots will ignore /msgs unless you're in a channel it's in |
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| 13:20.33 | asulao | so I type "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" it doesn't reply |
| 13:20.49 | asulao | !"etch->lenny" |
| 13:20.52 | nsadmin | asulao: try now, -don't- leave the channel |
| 13:20.56 | asulao | !etch->lenny |
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| 13:21.15 | marek__ | how can i enabe backports? |
| 13:21.19 | stew | !etch->lenny doesn't work because of a bug in dpkg, "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" should though |
| 13:21.31 | Arrowmaster | dpkg, tell asulao about etch->lenny |
| 13:21.33 | stew | marek__: go to backports.org and click on instrcutsions |
| 13:21.38 | stew | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 13:21.39 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" or "stable" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 13:21.59 | stew | there is just a bug when using ! to retrieve a factoid with > in the name |
| 13:22.10 | asulao | stew but /msg wasn't working for me either |
| 13:22.15 | stew | (/msg dpkg whatever should always work though) |
| 13:22.17 | nsadmin | !etch- |
| 13:22.34 | stew | dpkg: tell asulao about etch->lenny |
| 13:22.41 | stew | asulao: did you get a message that time? |
| 13:22.45 | asulao | no |
| 13:22.58 | asulao | dpkg: tell stew about etch->lenny |
| 13:23.02 | asulao | did you? |
| 13:23.12 | nsadmin | hmm... what irc client are you running |
| 13:23.25 | stew | asulao: yes, i got "asulao wants you to know: Read the release notes, ask me..." |
| 13:23.30 | asulao | mirc from windoze |
| 13:23.51 | nsadmin | asulao: also did you get a message from dpkg saying it told stew about that? |
| 13:23.52 | stew | asulao: perhaps there is some other window or tab or something containing your conversation with dpkg |
| 13:23.56 | asulao | yes |
| 13:24.02 | asulao | no window, no |
| 13:24.04 | nsadmin | ok, so you can get messages |
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| 13:24.52 | nsadmin | dpkg: tell asulao about fundamentals |
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| 13:25.12 | nsadmin | ok, I got the message saing dpkg told you |
| 13:25.22 | nsadmin | did you get the message about fundamentals? |
| 13:25.38 | asulao | I got disconnected, I think my wifi s doing strange things |
| 13:25.47 | asulao | dpkg: tell asulao about etch |
| 13:25.50 | asulao | dpkg: tell asulao about etch->lenny |
| 13:26.06 | asulao | nevermind, the info is up there |
| 13:26.30 | nsadmin | sure, so I'm curious... you're interested in installing? |
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| 13:27.11 | nsadmin | or do you have an etch and a problem with your wifi? |
| 13:27.45 | asulao | I have a problem with etch problem with wifi |
| 13:28.21 | nsadmin | is the problem with etch that you cannot use wifi to connect? |
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| 13:29.01 | nsadmin | I'm not familiar with wifi yet btw... but I'm still curious |
| 13:29.40 | asulao | yes, I installed debian etch 686, then amd64 kernel on that 686 installation, then ndiswrapper for amd64, then install ndiswrapper xp-64 driver, then http://rafb.net/p/Lym4Th68.html |
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| 13:29.59 | asulao | same procedure using 32-bit kernel worked ok (using 32-bit driver) |
| 13:30.18 | phr3ak | where is the manual of execve? |
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| 13:30.45 | nsadmin | phr3ak: umm, the C call? manpages-dev |
| 13:31.21 | phr3ak | thank you |
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| 13:32.52 | nsadmin | ADMIN... cute |
| 13:33.49 | nsadmin | asulao: so you went to an amd64 kernel? |
| 13:33.58 | asulao | yes |
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| 13:34.18 | asulao | etchnhalf amd64 kernel, non-half isn't stable on macbook |
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| 13:34.54 | nsadmin | also did you say something about the 32-bit kernel working? |
| 13:35.16 | asulao | yes, wifi did work on 32-bit etchnhalf kernel |
| 13:35.41 | nsadmin | so... would there be a particular problem in running that kernel for now? |
| 13:36.00 | asulao | yes, I need 64bit |
| 13:36.11 | nsadmin | even userland? |
| 13:36.23 | asulao | so that's why I'll go for lenny, see if it works better |
| 13:36.33 | asulao | what? |
| 13:36.41 | asulao | userland? |
| 13:37.07 | nsadmin | do you need your userland programs (like cat, find, iceweasel) to be 64 bit also? |
| 13:37.29 | asulao | no, I need 64bit to port a 32-bit working app to 64-bit |
| 13:37.35 | nsadmin | userland is anything but the kernel and the kernel modules |
| 13:37.42 | asulao | so I guess having a 64-bit kernel is sufficient for that ? |
| 13:37.50 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 13:38.04 | nsadmin | maybe you do need 64 bit userland |
| 13:38.19 | asulao | you mean a complete 64-bit installation? |
| 13:38.25 | nsadmin | which is unfortunate... it would mean a reinstall |
| 13:38.50 | nsadmin | well actually you have several choices |
| 13:39.02 | stew | chroot is perhaps an option |
| 13:39.07 | a133x | hello people, having a problem installing mplayer on debian experimental, it needs libcucul0 but I cant install it because it conflicts with alot of packages, is there any known warkaround around this problem? |
| 13:39.09 | nsadmin | you -could- run virtualization |
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| 13:39.41 | nsadmin | a133x: you need to backport that |
| 13:39.56 | nsadmin | or find a backport |
| 13:39.58 | stew | a133x: don't use experimental |
| 13:40.02 | asulao | I think it would be easier just to reinstall |
| 13:40.24 | nsadmin | ok, so if you're going to reinstall anyway, |
| 13:40.34 | nsadmin | first how much ram do you have |
| 13:40.55 | a133x | hmmz, i should use unstable |
| 13:41.06 | a133x | ok thank you guys |
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| 13:41.15 | stew | a133x: wait, what version of debian are you running now? |
| 13:41.36 | a133x | debian experimental |
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| 13:41.41 | nsadmin | a133x: as long as you're happy with finding ans solving your own problems... it's possible you will see less support |
| 13:41.45 | stew | a133x: that isn't a version of debian |
| 13:41.48 | asulao | nsadmin: 2GB |
| 13:41.55 | a133x | i mean, using experimental packges |
| 13:42.04 | stew | a133x: what version of debian are you running now? |
| 13:42.07 | stew | a133x: which release? |
| 13:42.10 | a133x | 5 |
| 13:42.16 | nsadmin | asulao: you could run kvm or xen |
| 13:42.35 | nsadmin | *: which is easier to set up? |
| 13:42.36 | app4des | Guys I am searching for a long time now with no solution. Whenever I start gnome (or connect to my router) a pop-up informs me that automatic discovery service (avahi) has been disabled because I belong to a .local domain. Whatever, even if I tried completely disabling the whole avahi daemon, this message still pops up everytime. Anyone has a solution on how to make this message never appear again? |
| 13:42.45 | stew | a133x: you should now expect packages from experimental to work at all, and certainly shouldn't expect them to work on debian stable |
| 13:42.53 | stew | a133x: at the very least you should backport them |
| 13:43.16 | stew | a133x: but really you sould probably be staying away from experimental entirely |
| 13:43.41 | a133x | yeah, i did a big mistake using experimental packages |
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| 13:44.19 | a133x | if i run a dist-upgrade it should update ok to unstable if i use unstable repos? |
| 13:44.38 | nsadmin | *: which is easier to set up? xen or kvm? or other (intel-based) virtualization? |
| 13:44.54 | stew | a133x: our standard answer to such a question is: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 13:45.04 | asulao | nsadmin: so I cannot run a 64bit C app, on a debian/686 install with a 64bit kernel? |
| 13:45.23 | stew | asulao: you can |
| 13:45.34 | nsadmin | If You Hope To Angle Your Sausage? |
| 13:45.40 | a133x | ok stew :) |
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| 13:46.14 | asulao | so that's all I need I guess |
| 13:46.20 | asulao | upgrading to lenny now :S |
| 13:46.31 | stew | a133x: if you are trying to run a 64 bit C app which is dynamically linked to a bunch of 64 bit libraries, you wouldn't have those libraries on a 32 bit install |
| 13:46.37 | stew | a133x: but you could run them in a chroot |
| 13:46.59 | nsadmin | the chroot way doesn't involve a full reinstall |
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| 13:48.29 | asulao | that's no problem, I guess I'd nee to know how to install the chroot tree |
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| 13:48.33 | nsadmin | having said that, your existing 32bit-userland system will -host- a "chroot" in which you will install (using debootstrap) a 64-bit debian |
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| 13:49.28 | asulao | okay, debootstrap thx |
| 13:49.47 | nsadmin | stew: what happens when 32bit and 64bit libs coexist in the same /lib and /usr/lib? |
| 13:51.18 | stew | nsadmin: you start wondering how you got into such a mess, instead of splitting them into /lib32 and /lib64 |
| 13:51.19 | nsadmin | ...and then you run a {32,64} bit app? |
| 13:51.42 | stew | nsadmin: on amd64, there is a /lib32 directory full of 32 bit shared objects |
| 13:52.03 | nsadmin | so if you do split them like that you could then have a mixed userland? |
| 13:52.09 | stew | and /usr/lib32 -> /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib |
| 13:52.59 | nsadmin | I see, so the issues are: the libs apps link with, and the organization of those libs |
| 13:53.15 | stew | nsadmin: yes, but debian doesn't have a full implementation where you can install any 32 bit .deb into amd64, it currently has a couple of packages, named 'ia32-*' which stuff libs indo /lib32 and /usr/lib32 |
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| 13:53.36 | stew | and these are a mess, you have things like ia32-libs-gtk which also contains qt and alsa |
| 13:53.42 | nsadmin | I'd think you'd need separate trees |
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| 13:54.30 | nsadmin | and at that point you might as well do a chroot |
| 13:54.38 | hedin | !xen |
| 13:54.38 | dpkg | i guess xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 13:54.53 | asulao | and once I have deb/32 with amd64, I can just tun debootstrap somedir; chroot somedir and work there on 64-bit, right? |
| 13:55.00 | asulao | run* |
| 13:55.21 | nsadmin | chroot somedir /bin/bash to start |
| 13:55.25 | asulao | "debootstrap lenny somedir"* |
| 13:55.47 | dubphil | My Gettext is stopping working since I have switched from Etch to Lenny, help please |
| 13:56.05 | asulao | that seems easy. thanks a lot :) |
| 13:56.21 | nsadmin | my gettext brings the girls to the yard... |
| 13:56.49 | dubphil | nsadmin: your's is lucky :) |
| 13:56.59 | nsadmin | I know! |
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| 13:58.20 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: haha |
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| 14:03.05 | WormFood | does anyone have a clue, as to why in the fuck ld-linux.so.2 is sucking up ALL my cpu power? |
| 14:03.32 | WormFood | that is fucked up! |
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| 14:03.45 | jelly | asulao: and an --arch=... |
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| 14:04.53 | roe_ | looking for information on how to setup a per user chroot ssh/sftp jail |
| 14:05.28 | asulao | jelly: debootstrap lenny --arch=amd64 somedir ? |
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| 14:05.32 | OpenTokix | roe_: If I am security concerned, I would do it with virtual machines |
| 14:06.07 | jelly | asulao: SYNOPSIS: debootstrap [OPTION...] SUITE TARGET [MIRROR [SCRIPT]] |
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| 14:06.45 | asulao | ok, can't man now, upgrading to lenny. I¡ll see later thx |
| 14:06.47 | roe_ | OpenTokix, we have been down this road, there is *a lot* more overhead using virtual machines for simple shared hosting purposes |
| 14:06.49 | asulao | I'll* |
| 14:07.02 | OpenTokix | roe_: ok |
| 14:07.10 | jelly | roe_: do you want the users to only have sftp, or do they need a shell as well? |
| 14:07.20 | roe_ | shell as wel |
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| 14:08.14 | jelly | no (useful) idea then. |
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| 14:08.26 | DeSian | i'm looking for any software for VOIP Monitoring free or non-free :) |
| 14:08.37 | bartvk | roe_, Doesn't vsftpd supply this? |
| 14:08.56 | roe_ | bartvk, an ssh chroot jail? |
| 14:09.03 | bartvk | roe_, Oh wait, not |
| 14:09.49 | abrotman | DeSian: this is #debian |
| 14:10.00 | OpenTokix | roe_: you are aware that chroot is not a security messure? |
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| 14:10.17 | DeSian | abrotman: and? |
| 14:10.31 | DeSian | software under Debian for VOIP monitoring |
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| 14:11.06 | roe_ | OpenTokix, it depends how you define "security measure" |
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| 14:11.43 | roe_ | a fence around your yard is often called a "Security fence" but it really isn't any added security |
| 14:12.55 | abrotman | that's to keep grandma in ... |
| 14:13.07 | roe_ | or grandpa out |
| 14:13.09 | OpenTokix | roe_: To quote Alan Cox: A fence with 10000 open gates is not improved by turning it into a fence |
| 14:13.13 | OpenTokix | with 9999 open gates. |
| 14:13.26 | roe_ | OpenTokix, what is your point? |
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| 14:13.44 | OpenTokix | roe_: I think it's a stupid idea to use chroot for a shell-server to sandbox users. |
| 14:14.06 | OpenTokix | roe_: Either sandbox them for real, or don't bother sandboxing and make the actual box harder. |
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| 14:14.55 | foetus | hy -- a question, is squid-2.6.STABLE5 affected by the dos-attack-bug or is it solved in this release? I have heard, that versions like these are a security risc.. |
| 14:15.44 | foetus | btw -- i'm working on debian "etch" |
| 14:15.52 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 14:15.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/, or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 14:16.12 | roe_ | OpenTokix, how is a better way to sandbox users for "Real" |
| 14:17.42 | OpenTokix | roe_: Virtualization in some way, you don't have to use a full hypervisor |
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| 14:19.10 | OpenTokix | roe_: OpenVZ maybe? |
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| 14:19.32 | roe_ | well, Xen, "the full hypervisor" is great, but for a person running a single website is complete overkill and a waste of resources. Something like vservers, is a pain in the ass to manage the networking (each vserve has no local host |
| 14:19.36 | foetus | i have compiled squid 2.6.STABLE17 from source, meanwhile.. |
| 14:19.41 | OpenTokix | roe_: OpenVZ? |
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| 14:20.00 | roe_ | I believe OpenVZ and vservers are similar |
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| 14:20.23 | OpenTokix | yeah |
| 14:20.39 | OpenTokix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuozzo#Parallels_Virtuozzo_Containers |
| 14:20.47 | roe_ | absolutely not |
| 14:20.55 | abrotman | foetus: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2009-0478 .. the only squid3 item i see at that site |
| 14:21.02 | roe_ | dont' even have to click the link |
| 14:21.10 | OpenTokix | oki |
| 14:21.15 | roe_ | might as well go Plesk then |
| 14:21.24 | foetus | abrotman: thanks -- lets see |
| 14:21.45 | roe_ | and panel software makes me nauseous |
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| 14:21.53 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 14:22.01 | OpenTokix | But what is the point of chroot? |
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| 14:22.20 | roe_ | to prevent mistakes |
| 14:22.34 | XB23 | whats best on deb exim or postfix |
| 14:22.43 | OpenTokix | roe_: ok, fair use |
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| 14:22.55 | roe_ | the same thing the 3ft fence around your yard does. |
| 14:22.59 | OpenTokix | roe_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
| 14:23.23 | abrotman | XB23: both are perfectly acceptable |
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| 14:24.22 | foetus | abrotman: ok, seems to be fixed..anyway, lets try the self compiled one, --with-aio:) |
| 14:25.25 | achilles | hello, I have a directory called Sales, here is the line drwxrwx--- 3 nobody MnS 4096 2009-02-26 07:58 Sales |
| 14:25.27 | orion_X11 | I have debian.org in as my default internet home page, but when I start a browser it shows my internet provider home page. So, how do I avoid this behavior? |
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| 14:25.48 | achilles | and I have a user called Saler , in the group MnS |
| 14:25.53 | achilles | but he can't access |
| 14:26.02 | roe_ | OpenTokix, thanks for the link...kinda funny that a portion of it hasn't changed since Woody |
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| 14:29.16 | OpenTokix | roe_: =) |
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| 14:32.05 | roe_ | not too bad, the change history says it was written in 2006 |
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| 14:32.27 | roe_ | not sure why they used woody then |
| 14:33.15 | OpenTokix | roe_: might wanna check latest in lenny tho, since it might have it built in |
| 14:33.34 | OpenTokix | roe_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 <-- looks light it might be some config-directive now |
| 14:33.37 | roe_ | yup, I imagine there will be more than a few things that have changed |
| 14:33.52 | OpenTokix | roe_: you tricked me into googleing it =) |
| 14:33.57 | roe_ | ha |
| 14:33.58 | OpenTokix | roe_: probably |
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| 14:34.06 | roe_ | you should post the lmgtfy.com link |
| 14:34.11 | OpenTokix | roe_: Curiousity, damn it... damn it to hell |
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| 14:34.54 | christoz | hello, i'd lke some help on making a sudo entry in sudoers file, but even as root i cannot edit it |
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| 14:36.49 | jelly | christoz: what error do you get when trying to edit it as root? |
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| 14:37.03 | twobitsprite | I'm trying to help a friend install Debian... but I can't get the sound working. I've looked over dpkg's messages about alsa, etc |
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| 14:37.19 | christoz | i cannot edit the file , privileges matters |
| 14:37.19 | twobitsprite | aplay spews out a bunch of errors, the first of which is "ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'" |
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| 14:37.39 | helo | every now and then, my system seems to be unable to write to the filesystem |
| 14:37.52 | christoz | i've read that only with vi i can edit that |
| 14:37.59 | helo | anything i do, like "touch /tmp/test" just hangs |
| 14:38.05 | christoz | jelly, |
| 14:38.18 | helo | i can't ctrl+c or z |
| 14:38.38 | helo | i can't run top, dmesg seems to be ok (besides a warning about mtrr boundaries) |
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| 14:39.03 | helo | it's been happening more and more often |
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| 14:39.35 | jelly | christoz: please answer the question. The correct way to edit it is by running "visudo", which will use whatever editor you have set in EDITOR environment variable. |
| 14:39.39 | roe_ | christel, generally you need to run visudo |
| 14:39.56 | jelly | roe_: completion fail |
| 14:39.59 | twobitsprite | n/m, I wasn't in the audio group. So, aplay works now, but I still don't get any sound. I check alsamixer and unmuted everything and maxed out all the levels... |
| 14:40.01 | ozdeb | hi, I accidently removed grub (I believe so.... I get grub error 22) and I need help reinstalling it from the live cd |
| 14:40.07 | roe_ | doh |
| 14:40.09 | ozdeb | can someone help me fix grub ? |
| 14:40.31 | careta | i can ozdeb |
| 14:40.48 | christoz | jelly, ok thanks |
| 14:40.52 | careta | do you know in what partition you have grub installed (where is /boot ?) |
| 14:40.57 | helo | is there anything i should check that might help me figure out what is causing it to become unresponsive? |
| 14:41.06 | ozdeb | careta, I have it on /dev/hda8 |
| 14:41.12 | ozdeb | it's mounted at the moment |
| 14:41.19 | helo | smartctl seems to think my drive is healthy |
| 14:41.28 | careta | ozdeb it's the only hard drive you have now? |
| 14:41.43 | ozdeb | am trying to follow this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 |
| 14:42.06 | ozdeb | careta, I have one hard drive (dev/hda) it is a laptop |
| 14:42.14 | careta | ok ozdeb open up a console and su to root |
| 14:42.27 | ozdeb | am there now |
| 14:42.45 | careta | type "grub" |
| 14:42.48 | ozdeb | did |
| 14:43.02 | careta | not type root (hd0,7) |
| 14:43.07 | careta | *now |
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| 14:43.26 | ozdeb | ok |
| 14:43.34 | ozdeb | now it does not complain about errors |
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| 14:43.41 | alcohol | If I do apt-get upgrade -u it only lists what would be upgraded, but doesn't actually upgrade, correct? (i'd rather not just try and see) |
| 14:43.42 | careta | what it says? paste here please |
| 14:43.53 | kukes | hi |
| 14:44.00 | ozdeb | careta, Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 |
| 14:44.06 | careta | great |
| 14:44.12 | careta | now type setup (hd0) |
| 14:44.13 | kukes | i wanted to use debian testing on my home pc |
| 14:44.32 | kukes | are there security fixes also for testing or is it more an os for developers? |
| 14:44.34 | ozdeb | careta, hmm i get this: Error 2: Bad file or directory type |
| 14:44.43 | ozdeb | maybe it is the wrong partition ? |
| 14:45.08 | alcohol | kukes: unstable seems the better choice when it comes to security I believe |
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| 14:45.26 | dtcrshr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.27 | roe_ | kukes, no, and it might be advised to wait a weak or to testing is in a state of high flux at the moment |
| 14:45.28 | dtcrshr | nice one |
| 14:45.29 | helo | that is not true... |
| 14:45.32 | careta | ozdeb: just a sec |
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| 14:45.39 | ozdeb | careta, ok |
| 14:45.41 | roe_ | week != weak |
| 14:45.54 | alcohol | dtcrshr: when comparing to testing yes... |
| 14:45.59 | helo | all known security vulnerabilities are fixed in stable as quickly as possible |
| 14:46.05 | dtcrshr | oh yes |
| 14:46.15 | dtcrshr | i missed the point |
| 14:46.31 | alcohol | he wouldn't be using testing if he had stable as an option |
| 14:46.39 | alcohol | the only thing comparable I imagine is unstable |
| 14:46.43 | kukes | hmm maybe i ll use stable then, sid braked a lot in the past... |
| 14:46.45 | alcohol | which is probably a bit more secure than testing |
| 14:47.04 | twobitsprite | gah.... why does it seem like every time I convince someone to install debian they have all kinds of problems and I spend all day helping them get it working... |
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| 14:47.17 | helo | stable is the developer's highest priority when it comes to security vulnerabilities |
| 14:47.21 | alcohol | kukes: if stable is an option, always go for stable |
| 14:47.34 | alcohol | lenny is pretty good I might add |
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| 14:48.02 | twobitsprite | kukes: don't use sid :) |
| 14:48.04 | helo | i never though i'd see the day when debian stable could configure X for me automatically ;) |
| 14:48.10 | careta | ei ozdeb are you sure the boot partition is on /dev/hda8 ? |
| 14:48.21 | kukes | i just dont know if i want to use kernel 2.6.26 in one zear when kernel 2.6.35 boots in 5 seconds :D |
| 14:48.42 | ozdeb | careta, i am sure. but I just look in, and the files in /boot/ are missing ???? |
| 14:48.43 | twobitsprite | kukes: plan on rebooting a lot? |
| 14:49.02 | careta | ok ozdeb so you must have deinstalled. let's try another way |
| 14:49.13 | kukes | student -> i turn the pc on when i need it |
| 14:49.33 | ozdeb | careta, sorry, my mistake |
| 14:49.42 | alcohol | kukes: I doubt those few seconds extra are going to matter. |
| 14:49.46 | ozdeb | the files are in boot/grub and so on |
| 14:49.57 | alcohol | kukes: also, the case is completely different when you use X |
| 14:50.06 | alcohol | bye bye 5 seconds :< |
| 14:50.09 | ozdeb | but grub still complains about this Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no |
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| 14:50.35 | alcohol | ozdeb: different drive perhaps? |
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| 14:51.00 | kukes | sure i ll use x |
| 14:51.24 | careta | ozdeb: type again "root (hd0,7)" and then "find /boot/grub/stage1" |
| 14:51.26 | ozdeb | alcohol, well - I did fdisk -l. I have only one operation system installed. I mount /dev/hda8 and the files of debian are there. So it should be it ? |
| 14:51.44 | alcohol | ozdeb: grub can be on any drive, it's not really OS dependant? |
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| 14:52.02 | ozdeb | careta, I still get error 15 :-( |
| 14:52.30 | ozdeb | alcohol, yes true. I was just mentioning i mounted the right file system. |
| 14:52.40 | kukes | but testing will get security fixes? |
| 14:52.46 | kukes | or not at all? |
| 14:52.47 | alcohol | hence I said, maybe your grub is looking @ another drive? |
| 14:52.49 | ozdeb | Maybe it helps if I tell you how I got to this situation ? |
| 14:53.05 | alcohol | kukes: go for stable or unstable |
| 14:53.05 | careta | yes maybe |
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| 14:57.10 | ozdeb | ok - I had an extended partition on all my hard drive. you can see the out put of fdisk -l here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464377, I wanted to solve the problem, so I booted up partition-magic live cd, and erased one of the pardition logical partitions, and then resized the extended partition. And I completely forgot how tricky grub can be... |
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| 14:57.18 | ozdeb | careta, that how I go here |
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| 14:57.41 | kale | i'm told that runlevels 2-5 are the same in debian is this true? |
| 14:57.51 | ozdeb | kale, yes |
| 14:57.56 | ozdeb | that is true |
| 14:58.04 | kale | ozdeb: so they are all using gui? |
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| 14:58.35 | ozdeb | no realy, you can boot to single user mode. But debian stops at runlevel 2. You can define more if you want |
| 14:59.04 | kale | hmm... strange i think, but ok |
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| 14:59.14 | careta | ozdeb: mount -t proc none /[root where /dev/hda8 is mounter ]/proc |
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| 14:59.43 | careta | ozdeb: mount -o bind /dev /[root where /dev/hda8 is mounted]/dev |
| 14:59.58 | ozdeb | kale, look here http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcessSpeedup#head-a00d6d6f2957301375f0480ce9d0d38170043d6b |
| 15:00.17 | ozdeb | careta, ok, sorry, I don't get what I am supposed to do. |
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| 15:00.26 | \amethyst | kevin7kal: whether you have a GUI in a runlevel depends on whether you're running a display manager in that runlevel |
| 15:00.31 | \amethyst | doh |
| 15:00.40 | careta | where do you have /dev/hda8 mounted? |
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| 15:00.53 | ozdeb | under /root/dd/ |
| 15:01.17 | kevin7kal | \amethyst: did I ask that question? I'm confused :-) |
| 15:01.18 | helo | it seems like since lenny was released, most of the old vets in here are gone |
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| 15:01.35 | helo | maybe they are just resting heh |
| 15:01.45 | \amethyst | kevin7kal: no, my nick complete misfired because the person I was directing it to had already disconnected. sorry |
| 15:02.08 | careta | ozdeb: type the following two commands in sequence: mount -t proc none /root/dd/proc |
| 15:02.08 | careta | then mount -o bind /dev /root/dd/dev |
| 15:02.36 | careta | ozdeb: finally type chroot /root/dd /bin/bash |
| 15:02.45 | kevin7kal | imagines the whistling sound of bombs dropping and missles flying as \amethyst 's nick missfires |
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| 15:03.37 | ozdeb | careta, did that |
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| 15:04.12 | careta | now type grub-install |
| 15:04.39 | careta | sorry, grub-install /dev/hda |
| 15:05.43 | ozdeb | careta, It is done |
| 15:05.49 | ozdeb | no error returned |
| 15:05.56 | careta | ok now go into grub console by typing grub |
| 15:06.04 | ozdeb | ok |
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| 15:06.18 | kukes | one last question> |
| 15:06.27 | ozdeb | the console was always open (Konsole has tabs :-)) |
| 15:06.32 | kukes | will there be gimp 2.6.5 in lennz backports? |
| 15:06.45 | careta | ozdeb: now type root (hd0,7), and then type setup (hd0) |
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| 15:07.28 | ozdeb | careta, ay ay, this grub keeps complaining: Error 2: Bad file or directory type |
| 15:07.42 | careta | wait you had grub console still open? |
| 15:07.58 | ozdeb | yes :-( I should have closed it... |
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| 15:08.20 | careta | yes it's dangerous to play around with grub! anyway, close it, and open grub console inside the chroot environment |
| 15:08.46 | careta | then type root(hd0,7) followed by find /boot/grub/stage1 |
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| 15:09.39 | ozdeb | ay, back again - I am in grub console inside chroot, but i still get error 15 |
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| 15:10.03 | careta | and if you just do find /boot/grub/stage1 ? |
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| 15:11.20 | christoz | jelly, i've edited th sudoers file like this http://www.pastebin.ca/1347824 but i get error on line 12, the error is : >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 12 <<< |
| 15:11.20 | christoz | sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 12 |
| 15:11.58 | christoz | what i did wrong? |
| 15:12.17 | jelly | christoz: that's not a permissions problem, it means you have entered something wrong in or near that line. |
| 15:12.18 | ozdeb | careta, if i do: find /boot/grub/stage1 than it returns: (hd0,7) |
| 15:12.28 | careta | hmm ok |
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| 15:12.35 | careta | ozdeb quit grub console |
| 15:12.39 | khaije1 | where can i find info about automatically connecting to wpa wlan? |
| 15:12.43 | ozdeb | do you want to see the paste of fdisk -l ? |
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| 15:12.58 | careta | not necessary i think |
| 15:13.03 | ozdeb | ok |
| 15:13.11 | careta | just do again in the chroot env: grub-install /dev/hda |
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| 15:13.37 | ozdeb | i did |
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| 15:13.41 | careta | and if it finishes without errors, try to reboot into it. if you can't get it working, come back here |
| 15:14.23 | ozdeb | ok. thanks. see you soon (I'll come back to say thanks if it is working ;-) |
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| 15:14.32 | careta | ok good luck! |
| 15:15.14 | aurax | hello, i need help in setting up multiple pptp clients. i got one working, the rest seems a little complicated, i got two quad NICs, so i have dedicated port for each ppp connection. |
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| 15:16.13 | jackweb | Hello! Is it possible to download *sources* of a package in APT using aptitude or apt-*? |
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| 15:16.26 | ejos | Greetings! |
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| 15:16.41 | jelly | christoz: man sudoers, look at the EXAMPLES section if you can't figure out the syntax |
| 15:16.49 | ozdeb | careta, back in debian ! |
| 15:16.54 | careta | great! |
| 15:17.12 | christoz | ok jelly thanks |
| 15:17.13 | ozdeb | careta, thank. Now I have to see whether I solved this problem with partition I had |
| 15:17.36 | careta | ozdeb: partition magic rules, but to work in linux partitions is better to use gparted. it's inspired in partition magic too, so very easy to use |
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| 15:18.24 | ozdeb | careta, I did not use partition magic. Sorry I used Parted Magic - The live cd, with GParted |
| 15:18.31 | careta | ahh ok |
| 15:18.39 | a133x | hello again, having a problem while upgrading my debian install( clean lenny netinstall). I change repos to unstable, did a dist-upgrade, everything installed nice with the exception of linux-image-2.6-686. It seems that linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 is not available on the debian unstable repos. Is the package available anywhere? |
| 15:18.52 | aurax | any idea? |
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| 15:19.18 | ozdeb | careta, I can't get read of that %&$! msg. in cfdisk, and I am afraid something is wrong with my partitions... |
| 15:19.48 | careta | what message are you talking about? |
| 15:20.29 | ejos | I recently upgrade my dansguardin from etch v2.8 to v2.9.9.7-2 and after that my exceptionuserlist doesn't work, Are there a way to declare this exception? |
| 15:20.33 | jackweb | a133x: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 - Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 - in my testing |
| 15:20.42 | ozdeb | i reported this "bug" http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464377 |
| 15:21.17 | ozdeb | look in the bottom. The thing is earlier when you helped me, i was using slax. and I saw that message too. So i don't know what is wrong and how to fix it. |
| 15:21.44 | khaije1 | how do i get the 'less' command? anyone know what deb it's in? |
| 15:21.50 | alcohol | lol |
| 15:21.59 | alcohol | isn't that like, default? :< |
| 15:22.03 | OpenTokix | khaije1: less |
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| 15:22.07 | OpenTokix | khaije1: apt-get install less |
| 15:22.07 | khaije1 | not on my system |
| 15:22.17 | OpenTokix | khaije1: then your system is broken |
| 15:22.17 | alcohol | where did you get your system? |
| 15:22.18 | alcohol | :< |
| 15:22.23 | khaije1 | OpenTokix, ok, i thought i tried that ... |
| 15:22.28 | a133x | jackweb: i tried to manualy apt-get it and it says its not instalable |
| 15:22.32 | khaije1 | alcohol, regular net-inst |
| 15:22.36 | alcohol | heh |
| 15:22.42 | alcohol | it came with my net install of lenny |
| 15:22.54 | alcohol | don't understand why you don't have it |
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| 15:22.59 | ejos | I recently upgrade my dansguardin from etch v2.8 to v2.9.9.7-2 and after that my exceptionuserlist doesn't work, Are there a way to declare this exception? |
| 15:23.03 | khaije1 | n1x0r@callisto:~$ less |
| 15:23.03 | khaije1 | bash: less: command not found |
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| 15:23.06 | alcohol | dansguardin? |
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| 15:23.29 | ejos | alcohol, dansguardian :-) |
| 15:23.30 | alcohol | what is dansguardin? |
| 15:23.36 | alcohol | what is dansguardian? |
| 15:23.53 | khaije1 | heh you were right OpenTokix, thx |
| 15:24.03 | Dreamjob | Makes your dances more safe |
| 15:24.05 | OpenTokix | khaije1: yw |
| 15:24.06 | ejos | alcohol, is a web content filter |
| 15:24.09 | careta | ozdeb: if fdisk doesn't complain, i can't see why is that a problem. maybe a cfdisk bug? but it's strange that debian doesn't assign the dev numbers based on the cylinder count. does gparted work properly? |
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| 15:24.12 | jackweb | a133x: and does |apt-cache search linux-2.6.26-1-686| show you the package is in repository? |
| 15:24.17 | ozdeb | careta, have you seen this msg ? FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap |
| 15:24.19 | alcohol | on a side note, I think you should contact whoever develops dansguardian |
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| 15:24.40 | alcohol | try and see if they have a forum/irc channel/email |
| 15:24.48 | a133x | jackweb: no it sint, also check this out, http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6-686, it says that the dependency isnt available, this is odd |
| 15:24.52 | a133x | isnt* |
| 15:25.24 | ejos | alcohol, yes i try that but i'm still waiting |
| 15:25.31 | alcohol | ejos: then wait |
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| 15:25.56 | careta | ozdeb: yes, but if you see fdisk's output, there is no overlapping. hda11 starts at the beggining of the extended partition, and finishes just before hda5 |
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| 15:26.39 | jackweb | a133x: jacek@piesek:~$ uname -r |
| 15:26.41 | jackweb | 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 15:27.09 | themill | jackweb: there are no i386 kernels currently in the repositories for sid. Welcome to sid. |
| 15:27.20 | themill | a133x: ^^ |
| 15:27.26 | ozdeb | careta, maybe it is a cfdisk bug. All this partitions where created with the livecd containing gparted. But I don't know if I should worry or not. Fdisk itself does not complain. only cfdisk |
| 15:27.36 | a133x | themill: so im the whole with this one? |
| 15:27.45 | a133x | cant do my distupgrade? |
| 15:27.53 | theholyduck | themill, the wonders of sid |
| 15:28.02 | theholyduck | it may occationaly make you flipp out and kill something |
| 15:28.04 | abrotman | no -486 either ? |
| 15:28.10 | theholyduck | but as a general rule its better |
| 15:28.30 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 15:28.35 | theholyduck | abrotman, sure it is :) |
| 15:28.39 | theholyduck | using sid is more fun |
| 15:28.40 | khaije1 | is there a way to browse for software by repo? |
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| 15:28.54 | careta | ozdeb: if i were you, just wait for someone to pick up your bug and don't worry! also try to talk to cfdisk devel |
| 15:28.54 | abrotman | theholyduck: please don't do that |
| 15:28.55 | jackweb | themill: but we're talking about i686. |
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| 15:29.01 | OpenTokix | khaije1: there are no such thing as repos for debian apt-cache search is your friend |
| 15:29.11 | themill | jackweb: i386 is the arch as debian calls it. |
| 15:29.17 | theholyduck | abrotman, well admitedtly. most of the time it can be a horrible mess. and what not |
| 15:29.32 | theholyduck | but if you package management works perfectly at all time. what are you going to spend your time messing with? |
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| 15:29.37 | abrotman | theholyduck: stop it already .. sid is not for the average person .. stop acting like it is .. don't tell people to use it |
| 15:29.46 | lamont29 | how would I connect to a telnet terminal through a proxy, only using this machine and what is on the internet? |
| 15:29.46 | themill | abrotman: nope, no -486 either. |
| 15:29.54 | khaije1 | OpenTokix: when i do that i don't see which distros (stable,testing,unstable) t is finding each package in |
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| 15:30.08 | ozdeb | careta, sorry, I am bit paranoidic. I just bought this new HD, and I don't want to loose lot's of time and data. Trying to be cautious here |
| 15:30.10 | theholyduck | abrotman, i never said it is. but then again the average person wouldnt be using linuxes outside of ubuntu and fedora? |
| 15:30.11 | OpenTokix | khaije1: you have only one installed at the time |
| 15:30.15 | abrotman | themill: good, they get what they deserve |
| 15:30.20 | abrotman | theholyduck: shut up already. |
| 15:30.20 | OpenTokix | khaije1: if you wanna see all, go to packages.debian.org |
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| 15:30.39 | themill | abrotman: quite. some sidsmiting has been in order for a while... sid has been far too stable recently. |
| 15:30.45 | a133x | what about a package somewhere else than the repos, maybe i can download it from somewhere |
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| 15:30.52 | OpenTokix | themill: golden quote =) |
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| 15:31.03 | khaije1 | OpenTokix: i have added testing and unstable, and have a mixed system |
| 15:31.15 | theholyduck | themill, i still hold that sids tendency to break is what makes it fun |
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| 15:31.45 | khaije1 | OpenTokix: i just don't know how to intelligently find which versions of different packages are in each release |
| 15:31.59 | themill | theholyduck: only if you know how to unbreak it. It's a iyhtays problem... |
| 15:32.04 | Balazs | Hi to all, anybody can help me how to build an openvpn under debian 5.0... unfortunately I have no experience but I have to do that. |
| 15:32.10 | OpenTokix | khaije1: I don't understand your problem |
| 15:32.13 | khaije1 | from the shell (it seems like it really ought to be possible to do this_ |
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| 15:32.23 | OpenTokix | khaije1: I have no problem finding what version of a package in a release. |
| 15:32.24 | themill | khaije1: apt-cache policy <packagename>. |
| 15:32.32 | careta | ozdeb: well... just keep doing backups using rsync to another drive! |
| 15:32.39 | debian_noob | How to install the flashplugin? |
| 15:32.42 | khaije1 | themill: k, i'll try that thanks |
| 15:32.56 | themill | dpkg: tell debian_noob about adobe flash |
| 15:33.03 | themill | (haven't we been there before?) |
| 15:33.06 | danners | on buildd.debian.org/linux-2.6 i can see that for i386 the package is uploaded since 3 days why does it take so long to hit the archives? |
| 15:33.15 | ozdeb | careta, yes i will. I do anyway, because laptop are more sensitive |
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| 15:33.26 | theholyduck | themill, well true. if you havent been using the deb tools for a while. or if you cant learn fast. then sid is not for you |
| 15:33.33 | debian_noob | themill:that was easier i had sid |
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| 15:33.42 | ozdeb | careta, anyway, thanks for being my savior today ! |
| 15:33.46 | debian_noob | themill:now im using lenny |
| 15:33.54 | batman_ramirez | hey whats the e17 repo for debian |
| 15:34.25 | StarkD | I've got no sound on my debian 5.0 lenny machine. I installed alsa and runned alsaconf wihtout any errors. the speakers are not muted in alsamixer. what have I missed? |
| 15:34.35 | StarkD | I using a Thinkpad T61 |
| 15:34.41 | ozdeb | careta, i wonder if it is a debian squeeze bug. I installed lenny, but made a full upgrade to squeeze, and lot's of things feel very cranky here. |
| 15:34.45 | avu | dpkg, tell batman_ramirez about dr17 |
| 15:34.47 | batman_ramirez | in the defaults can be found... but has some files that cant donwload |
| 15:34.53 | batman_ramirez | thanks |
| 15:35.12 | themill | theholyduck: right. And that's applies to just about everyone who is asking questions in #debian. If they were clueful enough to fix it themselves, they wouldn't be here asking questions. Hence, do not recommend sid to people on #d. |
| 15:35.47 | WormFood | I recommend sid, if you want your system to break at every update |
| 15:36.08 | khaije1 | anyone know what kernel sid is using? |
| 15:36.15 | themill | judd: kernels |
| 15:36.15 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 15:36.26 | jelly | judd: help |
| 15:36.26 | judd | jelly: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 15:36.32 | careta | ozdeb: i also want to upgrade to the new testing, but right now there is no security updates, so i will wait a bit more... i've only been using debian for a few months now, but i guess when a new testing comes out, for the first few months it feels like sid |
| 15:36.38 | themill | khaije1: answer... none for i386. |
| 15:36.42 | jelly | judd: list the bloody available commands, bot! |
| 15:36.42 | judd | jelly: Error: 'the' is not a valid plugin. |
| 15:36.47 | stew | judd: list Piccy |
| 15:36.47 | WormFood | I compile my kernel for sid, from source, because the latest sid kernels breaks kismet |
| 15:36.47 | judd | stew: kconfig, kernel, kernelconfig, kernels, kernelversion, kversion, and pciid |
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| 15:36.52 | stew | judd: list Judd |
| 15:36.52 | judd | stew: bug, builddep, changer, conflicts, danke, depends, info, maint, maintainer, popcon, rcbugs, recommends, source, suggests, uploader, and versions |
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| 15:37.10 | jelly | stew: thanks, bot :-) |
| 15:37.33 | jelly | judd: danke |
| 15:37.33 | judd | jelly: ne dankinde |
| 15:37.45 | stew | jelly: those are the two interesting modules in judd currently, don't expect all of them in Judd to be functional, like popcon and rcbugs and uploader..., all the ones which get information from packages.gz files should be working though |
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| 15:38.29 | jelly | stew: I don't even have an idea of what uploader might be |
| 15:38.30 | khaije1 | themill: where dpkg says trunk, is that sid? does experimental track a kernel? |
| 15:38.49 | jelly | khaije1: for kernels? /msg dpkg d-k |
| 15:38.51 | stew | jelly: who uploaded a package, which would be maintainer if maintainer is a dd or sponsor otherwise |
| 15:38.54 | pobega | Is there any way to have my system truncate old text from syslogs at shutdown time? |
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| 15:39.02 | stew | it was working at some point, but the data is prbably way out of date |
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| 15:39.08 | pobega | I'm on an Eee and I don't really want my log folder filling up my rather tiny SSD |
| 15:39.19 | stew | 'changer' would be maintainer unless NMU, in which case it would be NMUer |
| 15:39.31 | stew | (but also out of date) |
| 15:39.34 | stew | which i should fix |
| 15:39.35 | jelly | khaije1: there's a separate repository, kernel packagers' playground |
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| 15:39.45 | themill | khaije1: experimental doesn't track anything. experimental isn't a complete distro. If you didn't know that already, then you perhaps shouldn't be using sid. There are no kernels for the i386 arch currently in sid. |
| 15:40.06 | jelly | stew: ah, so changer would just look at the latest changelog entry |
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| 15:40.18 | lancelot | hallo everybody |
| 15:40.43 | khaije1 | themill: i am new to debian, but i did know that experimental isn't a full distro ( im using lenny) |
| 15:41.04 | stew | jelly: yes |
| 15:41.05 | themill | khaije1: then don't go anywhere near sid for the time being. |
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| 15:41.24 | jelly | lancelot: How Fare Thee, brave Knight? |
| 15:41.27 | stew | jelly: and uploader would be "who's key signed the .changes file" |
| 15:41.30 | OpenTokix | khaije1: I use testing when I wanna feel bleeding edge |
| 15:41.34 | roe_ | does lenny-backports exist yet? |
| 15:41.36 | khaije1 | themill: why in particular? |
| 15:41.38 | khaije1 | OpenTokix: lol |
| 15:41.44 | OpenTokix | khaije1: testing is nice |
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| 15:41.58 | themill | dpkg: tell khaije1 about sid |
| 15:42.10 | lancelot | when i hibernate and resume from hibernation i get error messages before the actions but i can't remember them 'cause they disappear rapidly...they're something regarding pciehcp...do you know anything about? |
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| 15:42.16 | OpenTokix | I think however my homemachine is sid now =) |
| 15:42.21 | jelly | OpenTokix: I recommend a rusty old shaving blade for that bleeding edge feeling. |
| 15:42.26 | lancelot | jelly, hi ;) nice to see you again |
| 15:42.37 | OpenTokix | jelly: =), I did that last time I read your diary. |
| 15:42.45 | themill | OpenTokix: recommending testing to someone new to debian is also not a great idea particularly just after a release. You don't gain l33t points for running sid. You just show that you are either masochistic or you have nfc what you are doing. |
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| 15:43.07 | jelly | OpenTokix: glad to be of service |
| 15:43.17 | sobersabre | hi. where I can see what are the sizes of DVDs of stable, #: 3,4,5 |
| 15:43.17 | OpenTokix | themill: I didn't recommend it - I just said I did it - for some newer stuff. - He clearly want to experiment with stuff. |
| 15:43.18 | sobersabre | ? |
| 15:43.20 | OpenTokix | jelly: =) |
| 15:43.44 | OpenTokix | themill: one can assume its not a server running life support systems at a hospital, that he is administrating. |
| 15:43.50 | sobersabre | can somebody ls -l his official DVDs sizes ? |
| 15:43.50 | themill | OpenTokix: most people would look at that as being a recommendation: [15:41] <OpenTokix> khaije1: testing is nice |
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| 15:44.14 | OpenTokix | themill: pulled out of context, sure |
| 15:44.15 | themill | OpenTokix: most people don't take to kindly to their home machine going completely titsup either. |
| 15:44.32 | khaije1 | themill: i was thinking about using a newer kernel package from sid |
| 15:44.35 | OpenTokix | themill: Most people should not use computers, so - bad argument |
| 15:44.42 | OpenTokix | khaije1: don't |
| 15:44.44 | themill | khaije1: there isn't one |
| 15:44.50 | OpenTokix | khaije1: if your machine is supported on stable, use stable |
| 15:45.00 | OpenTokix | time for coffee |
| 15:45.01 | OpenTokix | *gone* |
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| 15:45.34 | lancelot | the messages are: pciehp: cannot hot-add what do they mean? |
| 15:45.51 | twiggz | whats a quick way to see what driver my disc uses with modprobe -l ....it lists EVERYTHING ....and the new testing iso i tried last night asked me for which driver....and I was not about to sit there and try all of them. |
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| 15:45.58 | khaije1 | just fyi this is al happening on a 'sandbox' machine |
| 15:46.21 | lamont29 | how would I connect to a telnet terminal through a proxy, only using this machine and what is on the internet? |
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| 15:46.22 | twiggz | i cant scroll that far back in gnome-terminal to see what driver is loaded for my disc |
| 15:47.12 | twiggz | and on another note, thats pretty gay that its got to ask me for what driver my disc uses. |
| 15:47.23 | twiggz | it should pick up on that itself. |
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| 15:47.32 | twiggz | like lenny does and etch did |
| 15:48.01 | stew | twiggz: please don't use the word "gay" as a derrogative adjective in here, its offensive to some |
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| 15:48.25 | lancelot | any suggestion for my thread? |
| 15:48.54 | twiggz | sorry, how about its pretty shitty that the new testing .iso has to ask me for what driver my disc uses, and modprobe -l lists so many things that I cant scroll that far back to find out.... |
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| 15:49.03 | stew | twiggz: thanks |
| 15:49.16 | twiggz | Id really like to know an easier way of finding out. |
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| 15:51.04 | twiggz | dmesg isnt giving me any joy either. |
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| 15:51.54 | themill | twiggz: precisely which image are you using to install? |
| 15:52.25 | twiggz | feb 25 testing netinst |
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| 15:52.39 | twiggz | i386 |
| 15:53.06 | themill | twiggz: that has exactly the same installer on it as the lenny installer that you said worked. |
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| 15:53.25 | twiggz | the lenny netinst iso didn NOT ask me for what driver my disc uses. |
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| 15:53.39 | twiggz | So apparently it is NOT the same. |
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| 15:54.06 | themill | From TFM: ""squeeze" uses the last known-good d-i image from the archive (aka lenny release at the moment)." http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/ |
| 15:54.10 | twiggz | Otherwise I wouldnt be using lenny now. |
| 15:54.45 | lamont29 | how would I connect to a telnet terminal through a proxy, only using this machine and what is on the internet? |
| 15:54.56 | twiggz | Well, somethings fubared, because the lenny netinst iso works fine, doesnt ask for my disc driver...but feb 25 i386 testing netinst DOES |
| 15:55.16 | themill | twiggz: are you installing in a different mode though? expert etc |
| 15:55.23 | twiggz | Either way, I just want to know a quick way to see which driver my disc is using. |
| 15:55.25 | twiggz | No |
| 15:55.36 | twiggz | I am installing them the same way I always do. |
| 15:55.42 | themill | twiggz: btw you can pipe modprobe -l into less ... |
| 15:55.59 | twiggz | yes, but i dont know what to tag onto it to make it less. |
| 15:56.05 | twiggz | thats what Im asking. |
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| 15:57.08 | lamont29 | how would I connect to a telnet terminal through a proxy, only using this machine and what is on the internet? |
| 15:57.19 | twiggz | its just a plain damn maxtor 80gb ata |
| 15:57.21 | themill | twiggz: "don't know what to tag onto it"? |
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| 15:58.45 | twiggz | ok, i use modprobe -l ....and get so much that i cant scroll up but to /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/pci/snd-azt3328.ko |
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| 15:58.56 | twiggz | that doesnt help. |
| 15:59.17 | twiggz | i need to be able to see the whole output so i can find out which driver my disc is using. |
| 15:59.17 | themill | twiggz: modprobe -l |less ? |
| 15:59.23 | twiggz | k |
| 15:59.27 | lancelot_of | is there any way to read somewhere hibernation/resume messages? |
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| 16:00.24 | themill | twiggz: umm... wtf are you doing installing testing if you don't know cli basics like that? You're going to end very badly with squeeze... you're in for a horribly rough ride. /msg dpkg general cli tutorial ; /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 16:01.11 | twiggz | Well, since Ive never been asked for which driver a my disc uses ever in my life using stable, unstable, or testing, it hasnt caused a problem yet. |
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| 16:02.40 | themill | twiggz: right... and you'll be able to work your way out of broken packages etc all on your own, won't you? |
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| 16:03.50 | twiggz | Its never been a problem before. I dont see why it would be now. Im just miffed that this POS is asking for a driver that nothing in the world Ive ever installed has needed to know |
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| 16:04.54 | twiggz | This is getting worse than sysinstall. |
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| 16:05.03 | twiggz | And sysinstall is bearable. |
| 16:05.05 | themill | twiggz: yes, but if you're going to run squeeze, I can point you to a whole host of problems that it would seem that you're not equipped to handle. |
| 16:05.21 | twiggz | because I dont know what driver my disc uses? |
| 16:05.22 | twiggz | lol |
| 16:05.23 | themill | and you will experience them... |
| 16:05.29 | twiggz | well, thats fine. |
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| 16:05.32 | twiggz | I have nothing but time. |
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| 16:06.08 | twiggz | And it would seem that you assume far to much justbecause Ive never had to use this certain command |
| 16:06.13 | themill | twiggz: not because you don't know what driver, but you don't know your way around the command line. The tools you will need to unbreak the system are command line tools. Spend your time learning now with a stable system... |
| 16:06.16 | twiggz | so anyway |
| 16:06.43 | themill | twiggz: piping isn't a "certain command"... it's a fundamental concept of working on the command line |
| 16:06.47 | twiggz | stable is no fun, its ancient crap that noone wants anymore. |
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| 16:06.50 | twiggz | lol |
| 16:07.01 | twiggz | its like...openbsd with a sensible installer and apt-get |
| 16:07.10 | twiggz | old old old apps |
| 16:07.19 | twiggz | the firefox is current though! |
| 16:07.20 | twiggz | yay! |
| 16:07.21 | themill | !versionsmite twiggz |
| 16:07.21 | dpkg | upgrades twiggz to uber-l33t version 42.1 without noticing the critical bug that this introduces. (Ask me about <version chasing>) |
| 16:07.21 | stew | lots of people want a stable server os |
| 16:07.34 | themill | twiggz: the versions in lenny and squeeze are mostly identical. |
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| 16:07.48 | stew | and lots of people with large desktop deployments want a stable desktop os |
| 16:07.56 | twiggz | so squeeze is still going to use this ancient gnome? |
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| 16:08.05 | twiggz | thats disappointing to hear. |
| 16:08.21 | themill | twiggz: you clearly don't understand the development cycle... so why are you using the development versions? |
| 16:08.28 | stew | twiggz: squeeze will release with at least 2.24 but almost definately something newer than that |
| 16:08.33 | twiggz | Id rather watch 2.24.x compile from freebsd ports right now. |
| 16:08.34 | twiggz | lol |
| 16:08.40 | twiggz | for 3 days |
| 16:08.40 | themill | !lol |
| 16:08.41 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:08.47 | twiggz | oh whatever |
| 16:08.49 | twiggz | lolololol |
| 16:08.55 | twiggz | thats just getting pedantic |
| 16:08.56 | themill | AOL user... |
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| 16:09.04 | twiggz | pedantic fucker |
| 16:09.11 | stew | twiggz: please keep things civil |
| 16:09.24 | stew | twiggz: expect a transition to 2.24 to start soon |
| 16:09.25 | twiggz | id say atleast 80% of irc users use lol |
| 16:09.36 | twiggz | and thats being generous. |
| 16:09.38 | arezey | so at least 80% of irc users are aol users |
| 16:09.44 | stew | lets just please keep it on-topic |
| 16:09.49 | arezey | but yeah |
| 16:09.52 | twiggz | you #debian people are the only ones with that stupid lol thing. |
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| 16:10.02 | twiggz | oh, and #slackware on efnet bans for it. |
| 16:10.06 | twiggz | like children |
| 16:10.08 | stew | twiggz: please just drop it |
| 16:10.15 | themill | twiggz: I'm trying to save you from a world of pain here... please consider learning more about debian, the release cycle and the development process and know something about the tools you will end up using before making your life hard. And stop hitting enter after every second word. |
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| 16:10.23 | twiggz | i dont need saving. |
| 16:10.26 | twiggz | lol |
| 16:10.30 | twiggz | im a big boy. |
| 16:10.46 | themill | twiggz: then please don't come back to #debian with problems... |
| 16:11.15 | arezey | big boys know how to ask help when they need it :/ |
| 16:11.49 | twiggz | I did ask for help. |
| 16:12.00 | twiggz | But its getting me nowhere as usual with this channel. |
| 16:12.13 | twiggz | Ill figure it out on my own and save my bw chatting with you elitest jerkoffs. |
| 16:12.16 | twiggz | thanks. |
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| 16:12.41 | arezey | "elitest jerkoffs" who's speaking? |
| 16:12.46 | stew | arezey: ignore it |
| 16:12.49 | mmc | when installing what does this mean {a} after a package name? like The following NEW packages will be installed: cpp-4.1{a} |
| 16:12.49 | arezey | yea |
| 16:12.54 | themill | twiggz: try #debian-boot on oftc... but properly formulate your question first. |
| 16:12.58 | arezey | themill, he left |
| 16:12.58 | themill | oh.. he's gone. :( |
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| 16:13.18 | themill | mmc: automatically installed to meet a dependency |
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| 16:13.45 | arezey | heh |
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| 16:15.16 | lancelot_of | does anyone know where can i find xfonts-artwiz for debian (testing distro)? with apt-cache search i can't find them |
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| 16:15.22 | magyar_ | hi, what is "ucf-dist" stands for in some appended files? |
| 16:15.47 | themill | !ucf |
| 16:15.48 | dpkg | ucf, or Update Configuration File, is a framework used by packages to allow intelligent merging of modified configuration files with maintainer changes in postinst scripts. See apt-cache show ucf; or /usr/share/doc/ucf/ for more information. |
| 16:17.00 | omry_|work | when mounting an nfs share, is it possible to map a local uid to a remote one automatically? |
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| 16:20.35 | lancelot_of | noone answers me today...i dunno why... :( |
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| 16:26.25 | _bozo | hi. why debian repository do not include emerald ? |
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| 16:31.56 | mohieddine | hello |
| 16:32.28 | mohieddine | I tried to install net-snmp on debian etch |
| 16:32.43 | mohieddine | but it doesn't worked properly |
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| 16:33.44 | petemc | _bozo: i think its all about compiz now, no need for emerald |
| 16:33.48 | petemc | icbw tho |
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| 16:41.00 | lamont29 | Anyone know a good reliable SOCKS proxy that I can pay for? |
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| 16:41.19 | arezey | lamont29, what on earth do you need SOCKS proxy for? |
| 16:41.35 | lamont29 | so that i can obfuscate my IP address when connecting to a mud |
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| 16:41.44 | lamont29 | it runs on telnet |
| 16:42.01 | arezey | why would ye need to obfuscate your ip? |
| 16:42.14 | lamont29 | the mud doesnt like my ip |
| 16:42.24 | lamont29 | dont know why |
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| 16:42.43 | arezey | well... 1) i dunno of any, 2) this is #debian |
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| 16:43.54 | ezguy | hello... |
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| 16:49.56 | anewbie | DUUDES HELP HELP HELP is there a way to restore data after rm -rf |
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| 16:50.00 | anewbie | on fat32 |
| 16:50.00 | frafra | hi all |
| 16:50.01 | anewbie | ?! |
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| 16:51.32 | frafra | I've just installed lenny on my aspire one, with a usbdrive. the problem is that lenny installer see my hd as "sdb", and after a reboot without usb drive, it see my hd as "sda". I've try to set fstab on sda and grub on hd0,0, but it doesn't work :( |
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| 16:52.02 | anewbie | NO WAY |
| 16:52.10 | anewbie | it can't be restored ? |
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| 16:53.24 | Eulex | anewbie, there are undelete tools for fat32 for windows, but I don't know whether there are any for linux. |
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| 16:55.26 | anewbie | damn it |
| 16:55.31 | anewbie | Eulex, i am SO STUPID |
| 16:55.41 | anewbie | i make signatures of /mnt/sda5 |
| 16:55.51 | anewbie | and i forgot that this is hard link |
| 16:55.55 | anewbie | and rm -rf it |
| 16:55.55 | anewbie | :( |
| 16:56.01 | anewbie | and now all the data is LOST |
| 16:56.08 | anewbie | DAMN DAMN DAMN so stupid nigga |
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| 16:58.36 | anewbie | sorry to all tha i insult with the last line |
| 16:59.09 | anewbie | i dont wantt to insult you just i am verry ... upset for loosing my data |
| 16:59.16 | stew | anewbie: undelete on fat32 should definately be doable |
| 16:59.18 | anewbie | there was verry important and santimetnal things for me |
| 16:59.23 | orgthingy | anewbie: i found it slightly funny, but well :P |
| 16:59.26 | orgthingy | you can recore it |
| 16:59.43 | stew | anewbie: its doable under windows. perhaps google for "linux fat32 undelete" |
| 17:00.05 | anewbie | ok ok i will google it |
| 17:00.08 | anewbie | i can provide more information |
| 17:00.11 | stew | anewbie: you'd be wise to not write any more data to that filesystem until you recover what is possible to recover |
| 17:00.12 | squisher | is there a way to change the GUI locale per user? |
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| 17:00.21 | anewbie | the partition is pretty old |
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| 17:00.27 | stew | anewbie: (since anything you write to the filesystem has the potential to overwrite something you deleted) |
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| 17:00.30 | anewbie | and it first made under window xp |
| 17:00.36 | orgthingy | anewbie: by the way, nigga isn't racist..nigge* is :-p (yes, really..) |
| 17:00.38 | anewbie | i understand |
| 17:00.55 | stew | orgthingy: plesae don't |
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| 17:01.11 | stew | orgthingy: its still got greet potential to be offensive, and shouldn't be used here |
| 17:01.11 | orgthingy | stew: it is, trust me, im not encouraging it, I just cleared this point |
| 17:01.27 | orgthingy | i know |
| 17:01.49 | lancelot_of | folk, where are artwiz fonts repository for debian testing? |
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| 17:03.18 | dam85 | Hello |
| 17:03.26 | icebrain | hi, i'm trying to install libsdl-ocaml, which depends on ocaml-ml-3.10.2, which has been superseded by a newer version (3.11). Is there any way to get it to install anyway without manually compiling? |
| 17:03.34 | icebrain | I'm using sid, btw |
| 17:03.37 | dam85 | i'm looking for a copywriter, someone looking for a job? |
| 17:03.43 | dam85 | :) |
| 17:03.49 | stew | dam85: wrong channel |
| 17:04.01 | dam85 | what channel is good for that? |
| 17:04.12 | stew | dam85: i don't know. "/msg alis help list" perhaps |
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| 17:04.53 | hark | lancelot_of: not in debian |
| 17:05.13 | lancelot_of | hark, why and...where? |
| 17:05.56 | lancelot_of | dam85, what kind of copywrite do you need? |
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| 17:07.13 | hark | !dbugs 344396 |
| 17:07.16 | dpkg | DONE:#344396:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: xfonts-artwiz -- RoQA; orphaned, RC-buggy (); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:33:01 UTC [] |
| 17:07.23 | hark | lancelot_of: ^ |
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| 17:20.26 | bioe007 | where can i find the md5sum for debian-500-i386-netinst.iso, I don't see it anywhere on the download page |
| 17:20.35 | anxiolytic | Help! I'm having this error trying to to apt-get upgrade (etch) A copy of glibc was found in an unexpected directory. ... /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1_i386.deb Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 17:22.22 | epsilon | bioe007: usually on the same dir as the iso is |
| 17:23.12 | themill | bioe007: it's in the same directory... there really should be a link there too though. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:23.13 | bioe007 | epsilon: oh i see, sorry I was on the 'getting debian' webpage |
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| 17:23.25 | bioe007 | ty themill |
| 17:23.28 | bioe007 | + epsilon |
| 17:24.11 | comradekingu | bioe007: http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 17:24.52 | bioe007 | wow, lots of help here :) thanks |
| 17:25.47 | adb | judd: versions glibc |
| 17:25.47 | judd | adb: glibc -- |
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| 17:26.04 | adb | judd: versions libc6 |
| 17:26.05 | judd | adb: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.7-18 sid: 2.9-3 |
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| 17:27.16 | dand2 | I notice that my lenny box is running openntpd instead of ntpd, is there a reason for this? |
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| 17:28.31 | hark | !info libc6 etch |
| 17:28.49 | Farhadix | Hi guys, I think, I have found a bug in lenny. "Keyboard Preferences". I have added an additional layout(Iran/Farsi), and set Alt+Shift for changing layout. but when lenny comes out from Hibernate, layout switching shortcut doesn't work, and when by "Keyboard Indicator" applet changed layout, layout doesn't work and write only in english. By removing layout and adding again or opening Keyboard Model and pressing OK, problem will be solve. |
| 17:28.57 | adb | dand2: was installed as a dependents of other/s package ? |
| 17:28.59 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 4633 kB, Installed size: 10904 kB |
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| 17:29.18 | dand2 | hmm, ok. I went to apt-get install ntp, and it wanted to remove openntp |
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| 17:30.40 | Farhadix | anyone have this problem? |
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| 17:31.11 | hark | dand2: that's fine |
| 17:31.22 | dand2 | thanks, hark :) I just wanted to be sure |
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| 17:31.32 | bioe007 | k, I'm going to use vbox to try debian, is 8GB enough space for net install? I'd probably only put awesome or so on there, no big DE needed |
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| 17:32.24 | bioe007 | Farhadix: i'm not a debian user by any means, but an alt+shift keybinding is typically fail, because they are both modifier keys |
| 17:32.26 | craigevil | bioe007: 8gb is way more than enough, my install on my eee is only 1,4gb |
| 17:32.55 | bioe007 | craigevil: cool, its a vm install so hopefully won't be around long, just didn't want to run out of space and have to start over :) |
| 17:32.59 | hark | anxiolytic: you'll have to debug this, see the libc6 preinst for the line |
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| 17:33.12 | anxiolytic | hark: thanks |
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| 17:36.28 | hark | anxiolytic: check_dirs() in /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.preinst |
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| 17:36.52 | adb | -;/ |
| 17:37.08 | adb | oops |
| 17:37.43 | jerome | hmmm. Ario is segfaulting on lenny ppc. Damnit, it was the best MPD client so far |
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| 17:38.29 | Federico2 | bye |
| 17:39.48 | theholyduck | jerome, i like ncmpc++ |
| 17:40.32 | hark | theholyduck: it's not in debian, right? |
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| 17:41.05 | theholyduck | hark, true |
| 17:41.12 | theholyduck | but its not like building your own is all that hard |
| 17:41.21 | theholyduck | its wastly improved from ncmpc |
| 17:41.50 | hark | has just used ncmpc |
| 17:42.07 | theholyduck | you only need ncurses, and you might want curl and taglib |
| 17:42.13 | theholyduck | and thats all the deps there are |
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| 17:42.56 | theholyduck | hark, well ncmpc++ has tag and playlist editors, improved searching, media libary, jumping in audio |
| 17:42.59 | hark | anxiolytic: this might help: http://shearer.org/Debugging_Dpkg_Problems#Dependency_Error:_Libc6_Upgrade_Fails |
| 17:43.15 | theholyduck | and various others improvement over ncmpc |
| 17:43.22 | hark | wonder why it isn't in debian then |
| 17:43.32 | denraf | evening all |
| 17:43.39 | theholyduck | hark, nobody knows about it |
| 17:43.46 | theholyduck | and nobody can be arsed packaging it i guess |
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| 17:43.54 | anxiolytic | hark: reading it. Thanks! |
| 17:43.55 | theholyduck | i just compile my own and checkinstalls it |
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| 17:44.09 | jerome | theholyduck: well, it has to be woman-compatible. |
| 17:44.50 | labanux | i have using hd-media image file to install Lenny from HDD. But it always return error : "Mismatch kernel version.." Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 17:45.30 | theholyduck | hark, it even has lyrics if you want that :P |
| 17:45.35 | labanux | i've already download the latest hd-media image, and using both CD iso and DVD iso, but still get the same error message :9 |
| 17:45.51 | labanux | :9 <--- typo.., i mean :( |
| 17:46.01 | denraf | I have an issue with too many open files |
| 17:46.02 | hark | theholyduck: ncmpc has lyrics as well :) |
| 17:46.07 | jerome | theholyduck: it lacks some "clickaclickathingy" |
| 17:46.18 | theholyduck | jerome, who needs a gui anyway? |
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| 17:46.21 | denraf | but I already edited limits.conf and sysctl.conf |
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| 17:46.29 | denraf | it goes only wrong at boot |
| 17:46.34 | Matson | how do I know when / how to do a dist upgrade? |
| 17:46.47 | Matson | I saw recently a new dist came out |
| 17:46.47 | theholyduck | Matson, i ALWAYS do dist-upgrade :P |
| 17:46.58 | denraf | at boot it gives my process 1024 as limit |
| 17:47.04 | Matson | theholyduck: like on a cron / regularly? |
| 17:47.05 | labanux | so does anyone know which version of hd-media image I can use for installing Lenny? |
| 17:47.12 | theholyduck | Matson, well i run sid. so it doesnt apply to you |
| 17:47.25 | theholyduck | Matson, look at the etch-lenny thingy in topic |
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| 17:47.30 | jerome | Matson: look at topic |
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| 17:47.38 | denraf | only when restarting my process, it sets the limit configured in limits.conf/sysctl.conf |
| 17:47.43 | denraf | any ideas on that ? |
| 17:47.52 | omry | hi, how do I refresh /dev/disk/by-uuid after creating a new partition? |
| 17:47.54 | labanux | I also got the same error with Etch when I using hd-media image to install from ISO |
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| 17:47.57 | Matson | k |
| 17:47.59 | Matson | thanks |
| 17:48.11 | Matson | currently I have a daily cron that does this: "sudo trickle -s -t 5 -d 40 apt-get update; sudo trickle -s -t 5 -d 40 apt-get -u upgrade;" |
| 17:48.26 | Matson | update and upgrade |
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| 17:48.46 | jerome | Matson: anyway, when using "stable", you can update really often to fetch security updates. However, it seems safer to use "update". Cron-apt is a nice package to set up update cron jobs. |
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| 17:49.27 | jerome | I meant "upgrade" |
| 17:49.41 | Matson | and occasionally it barfs with /topic |
| 17:49.45 | Matson | oops |
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| 17:50.15 | Matson | how do I figure out if I'm running etch? |
| 17:50.15 | labanux | anyone has experience with hd-media image installer ?? |
| 17:50.42 | jerome | Matson: check your /etc/apt/sources.list :) |
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| 17:51.16 | jerome | anyway, there is also a file in /etc named ... /etc/debian_version |
| 17:51.24 | jerome | (thanks tab) |
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| 17:51.56 | theholyduck | labanux, i always just installed with debootstrap and a bit of commandline magic |
| 17:51.59 | Matson | msg dpkg lenny |
| 17:53.04 | labanux | theholyduck : debootstrap? Does it also use the ISO? |
| 17:53.16 | theholyduck | labanux, no :P |
| 17:53.28 | theholyduck | labanux, what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:53.42 | theholyduck | installing without a livecd? |
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| 17:53.47 | theholyduck | installing without a reboot? |
| 17:54.11 | labanux | theholyduck : installing using the ISO file (i don't have CD/DVD burner right now) |
| 17:54.19 | theholyduck | labanux, unetbootin |
| 17:54.19 | Matson | how long has 5.0.0 been out? |
| 17:54.23 | theholyduck | is what you want then :P |
| 17:54.39 | DeSian | have this error in compiling bluefish-unstable http://paste.pocoo.org/show/105597/ ! |
| 17:55.01 | theholyduck | labanux, it lets you install using a iso or using a floppy image. or dling the files needed to install a distro from the net |
| 17:56.08 | labanux | theholyduck : so it will install from the net? Meanwhile, I connect to internet using my Cellphone (as a modem). So I can't connect to internet before I have the OS installed.. :( |
| 17:56.26 | theholyduck | labanux, well if you have a iso |
| 17:56.28 | theholyduck | you can use that |
| 17:57.02 | labanux | theholyduck : so i can use unetbootin without internet connection? |
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| 17:57.13 | theholyduck | well yes |
| 17:57.13 | omry | how do I refresh /dev/disk/by-uuid after creating a new partition? my newly partitioned disk is not there... |
| 17:57.15 | twobitsprite | what's the difference between alsa and pulse audio? |
| 17:57.18 | Matson | thanks all - what I needed! |
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| 17:57.26 | theholyduck | but labanux are you just upgrading from etch to lenny? |
| 17:57.35 | theholyduck | twobitsprite, pulse audio sucks and it uses alsa |
| 17:57.43 | theholyduck | its just a shitty broken alsa frontend |
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| 17:58.04 | theholyduck | alsa accesses the audio hardware more directly instead |
| 17:58.30 | theholyduck | alternativly. pulse is trying to be jack and failing hard |
| 17:58.32 | labanux | theholyduck : no.. I'm doing a fresh install.. I'm using Ubuntu right now.. |
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| 17:58.51 | brad_ | hey. I'm running lenny, but I'm having some trouble with xen |
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| 17:59.12 | theholyduck | labanux, well dont ovewrite your ubuntu atleast. |
| 17:59.18 | brad_ | should I downgrade to etch ? |
| 17:59.23 | theholyduck | in case your debian install doesnt have support for that mobile gsm thingy |
| 17:59.29 | theholyduck | brad_, you cant downgrade though |
| 17:59.43 | twobitsprite | brad_: yes, all difficulties can be solved by downgrading..... |
| 17:59.44 | brad_ | the server is new, and can be reinstalled |
| 18:00.06 | brad_ | it's known issue with lenny and xen. |
| 18:00.09 | Younix | what in shit's name |
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| 18:00.28 | labanux | theholyduck : it has. Because I can use it trough Wvdial... But I can do wvdial on install stage can't I? |
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| 18:01.50 | brad_ | I know that downgrading won't solve all of my problems, but I was just thinking it would make things go faster. |
| 18:02.29 | theholyduck | labanux, heh |
| 18:02.38 | theholyduck | well unetbootin into a usb pen if you plan to overwrite |
| 18:03.38 | Akufen | hi all, after updating to lenny my mysql failed to start, it turns out it doesn't like the bind-address being 192.., how do I make it listen to connections coming from my lan? |
| 18:03.48 | jerome | hmm, it seems debian bts doesn't like "plus sign" in email address. |
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| 18:06.32 | labanux | theholyduck : install it to usb pen? Why not directly to hdd? |
| 18:06.53 | twobitsprite | is there anything tricky about setting up dual monitors in lenny? |
| 18:07.00 | theholyduck | labanux, you're still installing to the hd |
| 18:07.13 | theholyduck | but unetbootin it to the usb pen |
| 18:07.24 | theholyduck | since it needs to be able to read the files and if you're overwriting ubuntu |
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| 18:07.34 | theholyduck | the files will be gone before you get to copy |
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| 18:08.24 | QWonder | is anyone else having problems with the last.fm player in iceweasel in lenny? |
| 18:08.27 | QWonder | mine just sits there like it's loading only it says "undefined" at the top |
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| 18:08.41 | wedge | where do I find the jdk_home in debian when installing sun-java5-jdk package? |
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| 18:11.01 | abrotman | QWonder: which flash version are you using? |
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| 18:11.15 | QWonder | i don't know, it was already installed, and i'm on ppc |
| 18:11.38 | abrotman | sounds like gnash or swfdec |
| 18:11.52 | abrotman | see where `ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so` points |
| 18:12.40 | simonrvn | QWonder: linux flash doesn't come in a ppc flavour |
| 18:12.58 | simonrvn | the free ones do |
| 18:13.08 | QWonder | hmm, well i have something that plays /some/ flash, but it doesn't work on last.fm |
| 18:13.37 | simonrvn | probably because they use flash 9 or 10 .... |
| 18:13.54 | QWonder | i think 9, there isn't an alternative to flash that supports flash 9? |
| 18:14.11 | simonrvn | only partially |
| 18:14.29 | abrotman | see where `ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so` points |
| 18:14.38 | abrotman | if it points to swfdec .. install gnash and try that |
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| 18:15.56 | QWonder | i don't see any files in /etc/alternatives called gnash or swfdec |
| 18:16.06 | QWonder | but flash-mozilla.so |
| 18:17.02 | hark | QWonder: readlink /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
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| 18:18.30 | LoveGuru | !lenny |
| 18:18.30 | dpkg | [lenny] the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 18:18.43 | zizzfizzix | how to check in init script if app is already running? |
| 18:18.53 | zizzfizzix | without knowing it's PID of course.. |
| 18:19.42 | abrotman | QWonder: that's what i've been asking for |
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| 18:20.39 | QWonder | ah, i see. hmm, i'm trying to remove it through aptitude but it tells me that gnome depends on it, if i install gnash without removing swfdec how do i know that iceweasel is going to be using that instead? |
| 18:21.05 | QWonder | just delete the symbolic link in alternatives and replace it with one to gnash? |
| 18:23.18 | hark | zizzfizzix: see how it's done in existing scripts |
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| 18:23.50 | zizzfizzix | hark: i was trying |
| 18:23.58 | zizzfizzix | used alsa example |
| 18:24.08 | zizzfizzix | and it checks it /proc/asound exists |
| 18:24.34 | hark | zizzfizzix: like hal, ssh, dbus etc... |
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| 18:24.50 | zizzfizzix | but for different apps there should be /proc/$(pidof app) folders |
| 18:25.11 | zizzfizzix | but! if that PID dir doesn't exist it 'redirects' to /proc |
| 18:25.34 | zizzfizzix | and dir which we're looking for *exists* cause /proc always exists.. |
| 18:26.02 | zizzfizzix | any ideas? |
| 18:26.07 | LoveGuru | Hi, looking for debian(lenny) but in just 1 iso file. im looking into web.. just found the netinst .. |
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| 18:28.21 | zizzfizzix | hark: all yours examples uses different paths for processes |
| 18:28.22 | abrotman | QWonder: install them both .. use update-alternatives |
| 18:28.33 | zizzfizzix | not /proc/<app PID> |
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| 18:29.49 | LoveGuru | Hi, looking for debian(lenny) but in just 1 iso file. im looking into web.. just found the netinst .. where i can get it? thx. |
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| 18:30.20 | CentHOGG | hi |
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| 18:30.41 | stew | LoveGuru: for which arch? i386? amd64? |
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| 18:30.52 | LoveGuru | i386 |
| 18:30.56 | stew | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:31.30 | LoveGuru | but there is .iso for 1 through 31 ? |
| 18:31.53 | LoveGuru | i have to download all ? |
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| 18:31.58 | stew | no, you only need the netinst |
| 18:32.01 | stew | or cd1 |
| 18:32.11 | LoveGuru | ahh .. alright.. thanks :) |
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| 18:32.29 | LoveGuru | i was there.. but i got confused do i have to download all or what.. better to ask :\ |
| 18:32.38 | LoveGuru | anyway thank you so much |
| 18:33.09 | CentHOGG | Hi, I've just installed Debian on a DualBoot with windows and everything works ok. Just that the User can't modify items on the Windows Partitions, but the Root can. How do you adjust that so that the User can work on partitions like the root can? Thx |
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| 18:33.56 | Proto | You can't read the windows partition ? |
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| 18:34.35 | CentHOGG | Proto: no everything works ok, just want to have permissions on those partitions like root has |
| 18:34.36 | QWonder | i'm a bit lost with update-alternatives. and i'm not sure which file i should link to: libgnashamf.so, libgnashbase.so, libgnashcore.so, libgnashmedia.so, or libgnashnet.so? |
| 18:35.12 | CentHOGG | does the user have to join a special group or what? |
| 18:35.46 | utabak | hi all, "No CD/DVD writer found". error in K3b, I searched for a fix quite sometime but no use, anyone experienced the same problem in Lenny |
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| 18:38.53 | UrsoBranco | hi all |
| 18:39.06 | maligor | utabak, k3b uses cdrskin | wodim, cdrdao |
| 18:39.41 | brad_ | I need hvmloader, but it's not included xen-utils anymore, can I take it from etch ? |
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| 18:40.01 | utabak | maligor: is it better to use command line you mean ?? |
| 18:40.30 | maligor | utabak, no, but the issue why it doesn't find your drive is probably related to those programs |
| 18:40.55 | utabak | maligor: but there are some bug reports on ubuntu systems |
| 18:40.59 | bioe007 | ok, just finished basic netinst, but why does visudo open nano? i have installed vim, i can't see any $EDITOR env variable |
| 18:41.11 | utabak | maligor: with the same symptoms |
| 18:41.18 | maligor | utabak, drive specific? |
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| 18:41.36 | utabak | maligor: no I guess |
| 18:41.48 | maligor | utabak, and is your user a part of the cdrom group? |
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| 18:42.13 | utabak | maligor: hmm this is good point I do not know, how to check irt |
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| 18:42.29 | maligor | run 'groups' in a terminal |
| 18:42.51 | maligor | or if you like a gui, system->administration->users and groups |
| 18:42.55 | utabak | maligor: seems I am utabak dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 18:42.56 | maligor | (in gnome) |
| 18:43.54 | asulao | hello. I broke my debian system. when booting I get a "RAMDISK: Couldn't find a valid RAM disk image starting at 0.\nNo filesystem could mount root, tried:\nKernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,3)" I'm using lilo, on lenny. help! |
| 18:44.03 | maligor | utabak, you can try 'wodim -scanbus' I guess |
| 18:44.28 | UrsoBranco | is there any known problem or feature when using synaptic to display a template file with questions ? I have a internal package that have it's questions displayed when using text mode, but not displayed (the question is supposed to be displayed, but the question is not, as like the font is the same color of the background) |
| 18:44.34 | utabak | maligor: I can see the CD/DVD there |
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| 18:45.05 | maligor | utabak, I guess you can use -checkdrive also |
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| 18:45.40 | maligor | utabak, it should report the driver it uses with the drive and supported write modes |
| 18:45.42 | kantor | hi, I installed Debian 5.0.0 and I found a bug, where can I report it ? |
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| 18:46.31 | utabak | maligor: it is I am pasting on http://paste.debian.net/29316/ |
| 18:47.00 | maligor | kantor, bugs.debian.org I guess |
| 18:47.01 | utabak | maligor: but the device was not specified as in the first line of output |
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| 18:47.13 | b_jonas | hi, when was the feature freeze for debian lenny? |
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| 18:48.39 | maligor | utabak, are you sure it's a burning device? |
| 18:48.48 | kantor | it is ok If I use the GUI bug report tool ? |
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| 18:48.53 | utabak | maligor: DVD ROM |
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| 18:49.17 | maligor | utabak, that doesn't specify writing capability |
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| 18:49.50 | utabak | maligor: you are right it is not :)) |
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| 18:50.07 | utabak | maligor: it is clear now :)))) |
| 18:50.16 | utabak | maligor: stupid me |
| 18:50.24 | asulao | hello. I broke my debian system. when booting I get a "RAMDISK: Couldn't find a valid RAM disk image starting at 0.\nNo filesystem could mount root, tried:\nKernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,3)" I'm using lilo, on lenny. help! |
| 18:50.29 | utabak | maligor: anyway thx |
| 18:50.29 | labanux | theholyduck : i had use the unetboot tool.., but doesn't work. It always ended up with error message : Can't find CDROM |
| 18:50.36 | maligor | utabak, heh, well, happened to me too, not with cdroms tho |
| 18:51.07 | theholyduck | labanux, well then it wont work with that iso |
| 18:51.11 | rupa | I'm running into issues doing aptitude dist-upgrade from debian stable (etch ?) to current stable. |
| 18:51.12 | theholyduck | google how to install debian with debootstrap |
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| 18:51.20 | theholyduck | or keep using ubuntu |
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| 18:51.53 | rupa | does a bunch of Resolving dependencies... and there are still 4 concflicts and asks if it should try harder and I can never get a resolution. |
| 18:52.16 | Mike0x0 | When I installed openoffice on Lenny, the spellcheck didn't work. I see some spellcheck packages for other languages, but no american or en-us. Anyone else had this problem? |
| 18:52.23 | maligor | asulao, why lilo? |
| 18:52.46 | maligor | asulao, you can probably fix it by booting the installer cd in 'rescue' mode and reinstalling lilo |
| 18:52.56 | utabak | maligor: I did not even think it wont be available on recent bought laptop, stupid ICT department |
| 18:53.09 | asulao | maligor: lilo, because I'm dual boot macosx & deb lenny. |
| 18:53.26 | asulao | maligor: I already did that, ran lilo again, everything ok, but same crash problem. |
| 18:53.30 | labanux | theholyduck : none of them is my solution then.. :(. Thanx for your help btw.. |
| 18:53.33 | maligor | utabak, yeah, weird, burning dvd drivers tend have a trivial price different :P |
| 18:53.50 | maligor | I seem to be typoing a lot |
| 18:54.18 | labanux | theholyduck : I just wondering, why would Debian release their hd-media image that won't work..?? (i have this problem too with Etch) |
| 18:54.20 | maligor | asulao, what did you do to break it? |
| 18:54.26 | utabak | maligor, indeed, I lost 1 hour for nothing :S |
| 18:54.28 | asulao | maligor: I had leny running Ok, but the problem ocurred when I "apt-get install linux-image-amd64", then added entry to lilo.conf and made a mistake (referenced a wrong file for new kernel), then reboot and crash. |
| 18:54.53 | maligor | asulao, well, use the installer cd i rescue mode and fix the mistake |
| 18:54.58 | asulao | maligor: I did enter rescue mode, fixed lilo.conf ran lilo again, but same thing. :( pls pls been all day at upgrading etch to lenny. |
| 18:55.17 | maligor | I haven't used lilo for ages myself |
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| 18:55.54 | labanux | anyone know which one is the correct version for hd-media image installer? |
| 18:55.58 | utabak | maligor: is there a way to upgrade 32 bit installation of the operating system to 64 bits, this week is my stupidity week I guess, I also installed the wrong version of the OS |
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| 18:56.20 | maligor | utabak, not any practical way |
| 18:56.38 | utabak | maligor: a new install is the only way ?? |
| 18:56.55 | mohieddine | i think yes |
| 18:57.06 | mohieddine | a new installation |
| 18:57.06 | maligor | utabak, let's just say that there isn't any automated way to do it otherwise ;) |
| 18:57.21 | maligor | it's not impossible, but it's impractical |
| 18:57.43 | maligor | asulao, mm.. tried reinstalling the kernel? |
| 18:57.48 | utabak | maligor: hmm ok thx let me find a burner burn AMD64 image and install the system again |
| 18:57.49 | mohieddine | but you have to reinstall alla package, is that? |
| 18:58.00 | maligor | asulao, or rebuilding the initrd |
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| 18:58.19 | utabak | maligor: thx and see you around maybe later |
| 18:59.18 | asulao | maligor: how can I reinstall the kernel, I cannot boot into it. |
| 18:59.19 | maligor | asulao, ie, update-initramfs |
| 18:59.29 | maligor | asulao, rescue mode ofcourse |
| 18:59.42 | asulao | maligor: ok so I boot into rescue, then run "update-initramfs" ? |
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| 18:59.51 | maligor | asulao, assuming you configure the network while booting it, it should allow you do most normal tasks |
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| 19:00.01 | maligor | asulao, I have my doubts if that helps tho |
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| 19:02.01 | asulao | maligor: you can't make anything from this? : when booting I get a "RAMDISK: Couldn't find a valid RAM disk image starting at 0.\nNo filesystem could mount root, tried:\nKernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,3)" |
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| 19:02.53 | maligor | asulao, well, the last bit means is that there's no driver for the block device |
| 19:03.00 | maligor | asulao, the first means that the initramfs is borked somehow |
| 19:03.12 | maligor | asulao, what I don't know is what would cause it |
| 19:03.45 | maligor | I'm pretty sure that the 'starting at' refers to the beginning of the initramfs address provided by the bootloader, not absolute |
| 19:04.50 | asulao | maligor: my lilo.conf file is Ok. running lilo.conf reports no problems (apart from a "Warning: assuming LBA32") |
| 19:05.36 | asulao | maligor: I didn't do anything else aparte from install new kernel, make mistake writing lilo.conf first time (where it displayed: "Skipping Linux64", where Linux64 is the label I put to the new kernel) |
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| 19:06.27 | asulao | if I boot into rescue mode, all files are there alright, initrd.img* and vmlinuz* |
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| 19:08.34 | Acedip | well i've installed debian 5 and this wat msg i got when i did the first boot.. "your session only lasted less than 10 sec.If you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you maybe out of diskspace. Try in with one of the failsafe to see if u can fix the problem " |
| 19:09.23 | maligor | asulao, can't say much from that |
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| 19:09.57 | Acedip | i chose to install in addition to the standard system and x window, web server and sql database on a 8gb / |
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| 19:10.09 | Acedip | is that much space less and how much would i need |
| 19:10.48 | abrotman | Acedip: sounds like something went wrong with X |
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| 19:11.26 | Acedip | abrotman: not the space..? |
| 19:12.37 | abrotman | Acedip: check with 'df -h' |
| 19:13.23 | abrotman | Acedip: unless your HDD is like 2GB, you should be fine |
| 19:13.24 | christoz | grretings, when we have cp saturation? |
| 19:13.27 | christoz | cpu* |
| 19:13.33 | abrotman | when we have? |
| 19:13.36 | christoz | or what is cpu saturation |
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| 19:14.08 | asulao | maligor: ok, don't know what to do though |
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| 19:14.35 | maligor | asulao, lilo doesn't have a update-lilo script? |
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| 19:14.51 | maligor | asulao, ie, something that will autodetect it to the right settings? |
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| 19:16.02 | Acedip | abrotman: well the / is just 1.4gb used.. |
| 19:16.25 | abrotman | Acedip: out of how much ? |
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| 19:16.47 | OpenTokix | Acedip: something wrong with your gfx driver, what do the logs say? |
| 19:16.53 | OpenTokix | "No screens" maybe? |
| 19:17.02 | Acedip | abrotman: out of 7.4gb.. |
| 19:17.17 | Acedip | OpenTokix: debian does not have issues with ati |
| 19:17.18 | Acedip | ? |
| 19:17.34 | abrotman | Acedip: this is on lenny or etch ? |
| 19:17.39 | abrotman | lenny ... |
| 19:17.46 | abrotman | Acedip: look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:17.54 | OpenTokix | Acedip: I dont know, I don't use ATI. - trying to troubleshoot for you |
| 19:18.03 | OpenTokix | Acedip: first step, look in the logs |
| 19:18.15 | abrotman | and which video card is it? |
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| 19:19.00 | Acedip | OpenTokix: look for wat the logs is huge.. |
| 19:19.08 | abrotman | Acedip: which video card do you have? |
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| 19:19.15 | OpenTokix | Acedip: yeah, it is probably in the end |
| 19:19.24 | Acedip | abrotman: ati rc410 radeon xpress 200 |
| 19:19.35 | abrotman | should be supported |
| 19:19.52 | asulao | maligor: dunno I'll look, found this though: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg104847.html |
| 19:20.04 | Acedip | OpenTokix: its not in the end, i should probably look for EE |
| 19:20.06 | Acedip | ? |
| 19:20.07 | abrotman | Acedip: if you look at the last 10 lines or so of the Xorg.0.log (try tail -n 20 /var/log/Xorg.0.log ) .. anything obvious ? |
| 19:20.16 | OpenTokix | Acedip: yes |
| 19:20.30 | maligor | asulao, mapper is for lvm I think |
| 19:20.30 | abrotman | EE isn't the obvious error anymore |
| 19:20.44 | OpenTokix | abrotman: but it is a good place to start looking |
| 19:20.46 | Acedip | OpenTokix: but i'm logged into the single user mode.. |
| 19:20.48 | asulao | maligor: seems to be the same problem about address 0 of ramdisk |
| 19:20.49 | abrotman | not really ... |
| 19:21.03 | OpenTokix | Acedip: ok? tail -20 /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:22.04 | tra3_ | hello gents; are you aware of any friendly QoS solutions (besides wondershaper)? |
| 19:22.09 | Acedip | OpenTokix: its just talking about enabling mouse keyboard etc |
| 19:22.10 | asulao | maligor: if I run update-lilo from rescue mode, I get: "Unknwon terminal: bterm\nCheck the TERM environment variable... etc." |
| 19:22.18 | maligor | asulao, seems he's embedding the initrd in the kernel, not too sure how tha tworks tho |
| 19:22.18 | OpenTokix | Acedip: ok |
| 19:22.29 | OpenTokix | Acedip: hard to say what the problem is really |
| 19:22.37 | asulao | maligor: so it seems, wouldn't want to get into that myself. |
| 19:22.42 | maligor | asulao, set TERM to something then |
| 19:22.50 | maligor | export TERM=linux possibly |
| 19:22.51 | asulao | to what? |
| 19:22.55 | asulao | k |
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| 19:23.50 | Acedip | OpenTokix: wat shall i do now.. :( |
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| 19:24.07 | OpenTokix | Acedip: I don't know - you could paste yoru Xorg.0.log to pastebin or similar |
| 19:24.19 | Acedip | OpenTokix: how to atleast know who is doing it.. |
| 19:24.31 | Acedip | OpenTokix: paste how, i'm in text mode.. |
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| 19:25.43 | abrotman | Acedip: can you /join #flood ? |
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| 19:26.46 | abrotman | OpenTokix: do you want see what he's going to paste there? |
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| 19:26.58 | asulao | maligor: update-lilo doesn't work. same thing. |
| 19:27.06 | OpenTokix | abrotman: yes, but not now - one of my webservers jist crapped out - hold on |
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| 19:27.15 | TheJH | hello, when I call make in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26..., I get the following error: |
| 19:27.15 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:27.15 | TheJH | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/scripts/basic/Makefile: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 19:27.15 | TheJH | I am using a fresh Debian Lenny. |
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| 19:28.34 | maligor | asulao, I guess you'll have to try to find someone who knows more about the mysteries of lilo then |
| 19:28.48 | Flesje | my machine suddenly shut down, cant find anything in syslogd or kern.log, where can i find more info why it did shut down |
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| 19:29.19 | asulao | ok no prob maligor thanks for helping |
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| 19:31.49 | buntfalke | can someone please tell me the name of a working kernel image found in sid? plain linux-image-2.6-686 points to yet another virtual package, thus fails |
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| 19:34.09 | asulao | buntfalke: I guess "apt-get install linux-image" should tell you the options. |
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| 19:35.50 | parsifal_ | Is there a browser aside from Iceweasel that uses the latest version of Gecko? |
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| 19:36.14 | asulao | maligor: booting ok now, update-lilo did the job, except that I had to make it create a new lilo.conf for me; I guess it should have done something else too, because previous one installed fine too. Also this option installed a new boot record (I omitted the mbr install option, as I'm dual booting) , and mark partition active. Thanks :) |
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| 19:36.35 | xand | parsifal_: firefox :p |
| 19:36.42 | abrotman | parsifal_: epiphany ? |
| 19:36.45 | parsifal_ | aside from Firefox ;) |
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| 19:36.55 | parsifal_ | abrotman, Yeah I wasn't sure, between Galeon and Epiphany, which was more up to date |
| 19:37.02 | abrotman | parsifal_: look at the depends |
| 19:37.10 | buntfalke | asulao: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(Software)#Verwendung (also check the english list, but german one looks more complete at a first glance) |
| 19:37.26 | buntfalke | erm. parsifal_ i mean |
| 19:37.28 | parsifal_ | abrotman, ah, not a bad idea -- in aptitude? |
| 19:37.46 | parsifal_ | buntfalke, ah! I found that at some point but lost it. Thanks! I wonder if it's up to date.. |
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| 19:38.33 | parsifal_ | I run Debian in a VM, so every CPU cycle and byte of memory counts. |
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| 19:39.00 | keith4 | pfff. memory's cheap |
| 19:39.09 | buntfalke | asulao: doesnt quite seem to work. i got 'sid main' in my apt sources, nothing else. official mirror, and just synchronized. when trying to install any kernel, it fails. especially: aptitude install linux-image-686 --> depends on -2.6.26-1-686 which is virtual, fail |
| 19:39.19 | buntfalke | asulao: i cannot seem to find any actual packages, just virtuals |
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| 19:39.56 | buntfalke | i'm installing, and chrooted into the target for investigation |
| 19:39.58 | asulao | well, on lenny, apt-get install linux-image tells me that's a virtual package, and lists a bunch of real packages to choose. |
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| 19:40.12 | buntfalke | well, lenny aint sid ;-) |
| 19:40.17 | asulao | yah |
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| 19:40.29 | parsifal_ | epiphany sounds better |
| 19:40.34 | parsifal_ | galeon depends on gnome-desktop-2 :P |
| 19:40.36 | buntfalke | So? Anyone got a suggestion for me? how are the kernel packages called in sid? |
| 19:40.42 | Mox` | hi, where do I find the newest amd64 linux kernel? :S |
| 19:40.52 | buntfalke | Mox`: kernel.org |
| 19:41.02 | Mox` | buntfalke, I can't find amd64 version? :O |
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| 19:41.14 | parsifal_ | buntfalke, shouldn't there be a way through aptitude or something? |
| 19:41.15 | buntfalke | Mox`: the sources are the same for every architecture |
| 19:41.23 | stew | Mox`: in the linux-image-2.6.28-1-amd64 package? |
| 19:41.23 | keith4 | why are you using sid? |
| 19:41.27 | Mox` | buntfalke, okay |
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| 19:41.33 | Mox` | stew, ye something like that |
| 19:41.35 | keith4 | buntfalke: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&keywords=linux-image-2.6 |
| 19:41.44 | stew | Mox`: not something like that, eactly like that |
| 19:41.59 | Mox` | stew, where do I find it? |
| 19:42.00 | parsifal_ | aghhghg, I installed that damn Boulder Dash knockoff |
| 19:42.11 | stew | Mox`: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:42.15 | buntfalke | keith4: very well, now show me an actual package. as in, one that actually contains the kernel, please |
| 19:42.18 | Mox` | stew 5.0 |
| 19:42.24 | Mox` | lenny |
| 19:42.27 | buntfalke | keith4: cause there dont seem to be any |
| 19:42.28 | stew | buntfalke: you are correct, there are currently no kernels in sid for 486/686 |
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| 19:42.40 | keith4 | buntfalke: sounds like you should be using lenny |
| 19:42.54 | buntfalke | stew: will this change within hours? or is this a rather permanant situation? |
| 19:42.56 | stew | buntfalke: no |
| 19:42.59 | stew | buntfalke: neither |
| 19:43.12 | buntfalke | please give me either a link, keyword, or more details then :-) |
| 19:43.20 | stew | buntfalke: use a kernel from lenny |
| 19:43.21 | buntfalke | keith4: i tend to disagree ;-) |
| 19:43.41 | stew | buntfalke: there will be kernels in sid. not within hours. this is not permanant |
| 19:43.47 | buntfalke | stew: alright. though, tell me, why arent the lenny kernels simply included in the sid repository? |
| 19:43.52 | Mox` | stew debian 5.0... |
| 19:43.52 | buntfalke | ah, okay |
| 19:43.55 | buntfalke | good, thanks |
| 19:43.56 | stew | buntfalke: becuase they were removed for 2.6.28 |
| 19:44.27 | buntfalke | okay. i'll pin the lenny kernels. |
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| 19:45.03 | Mox` | stew where do I find the package? :O |
| 19:45.03 | stew | Mox`: the latest for 5.0 is 2.6.26. you should be able to find one with "apt-cache search linux-image" if you need something newer than 2.6.28, you could install the one from sid, but only if you don't need to compile out of tree modules. if you need out of tree modules, you should probably compile one yourself (/msg dpkg kp) |
| 19:45.18 | Mox` | stew ok thanks |
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| 19:47.20 | Mox` | stew, hmm I should just do apt-get install linux-image-blablabla or what? |
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| 19:47.44 | stew | Mox`: what are you trying to install? |
| 19:48.05 | Mox` | stew nothing, trying to compile my own kernel :\ |
| 19:48.13 | stew | Mox`: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 19:48.32 | Mox` | ah thanks |
| 19:48.34 | Mox` | :) |
| 19:48.51 | stew | Mox`: you'd not install a linux-image package to compile, you'd install build-essential and kernel-package and either a linux-source package or a tarball from kernel.org |
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| 19:49.45 | Mox` | stew ye ino.. but I've tried to compile the newest kernel from kernel.org twice,.. and didn't work |
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| 19:52.01 | stew | Mox`: if you want help with that, be more specific than "didn't work" |
| 19:52.01 | Mox` | stew, well my system couldn't boot |
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| 19:52.20 | Mox` | stew, and i can't see boot errors |
| 19:53.55 | stew | Mox`: what are the errors? |
| 19:54.00 | stew | VFS: can't mount root |
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| 19:54.03 | stew | is my guess |
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| 19:56.02 | chriswaterguy | I'm confused, looking at Debian.org, about how to do the netinstall for Squeeze. Do I just get the right file from http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst and that lets me specify which version of Debian I want? |
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| 19:56.42 | OpenTokix | chriswaterguy: just install lenny and do a dist-upgrade |
| 19:56.46 | zorton | can I tell mdadm to look for the disks by uuid? intead of RAID1 -> /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 19:57.20 | twobitsprite | OpenTokix: there are sqeeze CDs, that would be easier/quicker |
| 19:57.22 | chriswaterguy | OpenTokix: thanks. That's normal procedure? |
| 19:57.24 | OpenTokix | zorton: Just put raid-autodetect and it won't matter later |
| 19:57.34 | OpenTokix | chriswaterguy: it's simple atleast |
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| 19:57.42 | zorton | OpenTokix: raid-autodetect as an option in mdadm? |
| 19:57.56 | OpenTokix | zorton: when you aprtition the drives |
| 19:58.15 | zorton | OpenTokix: k, as the partition type then, already there |
| 19:58.16 | chriswaterguy | I'm thinking that having the Debian.org site as a wiki (with key pages protected) would make for much clearer docs. |
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| 19:58.27 | Mox` | stew, can't see the errors, i'm controling the server through ssh.. how do I open a .gz file? :S |
| 19:58.51 | OpenTokix | zorton: After that the device-names will not matter so much - and uuid's is HELL if you have to rebuild from broken drive =) |
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| 19:59.23 | twobitsprite | chriswaterguy: wiki.debian.org |
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| 20:00.03 | zorton | OpenTokix: k thnx |
| 20:00.23 | twobitsprite | chriswaterguy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 20:01.06 | chriswaterguy | twobitsprite: yes, I've looked at the wiki. but the debian.org site has the basic guides, and they're not very clear. I'm very keen to see a good reliable Linux distro become more usable and widespread, and good docs are key. And Debian seems to be the best prospect in terms of a good reliable distro, IMO. |
| 20:01.27 | twobitsprite | chriswaterguy: what's unclear about the docs? |
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| 20:02.31 | chriswaterguy | twobitsprite: the instructions about testing direct to that page, but there's no mention of "testing" or Squeeze there, and the url doesn't hint at it either, so I wasn't sure if there was a mistake. |
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| 20:03.10 | stew | Mox`: zless or zcat |
| 20:03.25 | chriswaterguy | twobitsprite: thanks for the link. So that'll install it, then I enter dist-upgrade as a CLI command? |
| 20:03.56 | stew | Mox`: did you possibly forget to include the drivers for your filesystem or for the controller card which the hard drives are connected to? or did you forget to build an initrd if you needed one? |
| 20:04.22 | twobitsprite | chriswaterguy: ohh, yeah, for some reason that page doesn't have links to testing... as for the CD, the link I gave you is for testing ("squeeze") so you won't need to dist-upgrade |
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| 20:04.49 | chriswaterguy | twobitsprite: ah, sorry, I just checked the page you linked, thanks |
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| 20:04.59 | tra3_ | is anyone aware of any friendly QoS solutions (besides wondershaper)? |
| 20:05.20 | chriswaterguy | yes, so... any chance we can have wiki pages used for installation instructions like these? |
| 20:05.25 | Mox` | stew don't know, i'll try compiling a kernel again now :) |
| 20:06.35 | chriswaterguy | cuz I've jumped a lot of hurdles to stay with Linux, and to cross to Debian. I don't regret it, but I can't honestly recommend it to my less geeky friends. Docs would make the difference. |
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| 20:08.25 | twobitsprite | chriswaterguy: you're complaining to the wrong venue... I don't think any of the debian web admins/devs are in this channel :) |
| 20:08.27 | stoned | kbrower33, hi |
| 20:08.30 | stoned | kbrower33, I'm home now |
| 20:08.33 | stoned | :) |
| 20:08.45 | stoned | so whats going on in the world of #debian today? |
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| 20:09.13 | chriswaterguy | twobitsprite: Fair enough :-D. But am I the only one that thinks this? |
| 20:09.15 | nkuttler | chriswaterguy: feel free to contribute to the docs |
| 20:09.16 | plsd | chriswaterguy, there is a debian wiki, can't anyone edit it? I've never tried. |
| 20:09.32 | stoned | yes |
| 20:09.42 | stoned | anyone can and should edit it, keep it updated |
| 20:09.57 | stoned | we should put in a collaborative effort to our wiki like ubuntu |
| 20:09.58 | twobitsprite | chriswaterguy: I think it is a bit unfortunate that the "Get Debian" link doesn't offer links to testing netinst CDs... but otherwise, I think the documentation has all been pretty good imho |
| 20:10.05 | stoned | I actually admire the ubuntu wiki a lot |
| 20:10.18 | plsd | Yep, the ubuntu wiki is great. |
| 20:10.20 | chriswaterguy | plsd: yes, but that's not the page people find when they look for instructions. If debian.org directed people to the wiki, then I'd be happy to to put the effort in (once I actually know something about Debian) |
| 20:10.25 | stoned | twobitsprite, uhm you sure? |
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| 20:10.37 | twobitsprite | stoned: I didn't see it |
| 20:10.52 | nkuttler | twobitsprite: um, sending people who want to download debian to the testing distro would be wrong. you want them to install something that works |
| 20:11.17 | chriswaterguy | Hmm. Wasn't so keen on the Ubuntu wiki myself, in terms of structure. |
| 20:11.20 | plsd | chriswaterguy, right, well I can agree with that. I think the wiki should get more attention too |
| 20:11.24 | stoned | its linked |
| 20:11.36 | stoned | twobitsprite, you can get testing as well from the getting debian link |
| 20:11.36 | twobitsprite | nkuttler: testing works, and we do send them to testing... we just don't link to the netinst cd for testing |
| 20:11.55 | chriswaterguy | nkuttler: people who *want* the testing distro should be able to find it, especially when another page has promised them to send them there, and failed to do so. |
| 20:12.03 | stoned | twobitsprite, oh you mean netinst |
| 20:12.06 | theholyduck | the ubuntu wiki is full of stupid things too though |
| 20:12.12 | twobitsprite | stoned: yeah, read up :) |
| 20:12.14 | stoned | twobitsprite, Download larger CD/DVD image files, record and install using that media only.. that link |
| 20:12.15 | nkuttler | ah, they promise that nowadays... |
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| 20:12.23 | stoned | they have a testing iso there but not netinst |
| 20:12.24 | theholyduck | like if you hit up mplayer it doesnt tell you they package a over 2 year old one and you should compile your own |
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| 20:12.42 | Fiskah_ | how do I check what versions of python are installed in APC? |
| 20:12.43 | twobitsprite | stoned: right, that was chriswaterguy's original complaint |
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| 20:13.06 | stoned | uhmmm |
| 20:13.10 | stoned | yes right |
| 20:13.15 | agnitio | Hi, I just installed lenny but am having some issues with my wireless (iwl3945), dmesg says my Hardware RF kill switch is active, however I have none, only an ACPI kill switch |
| 20:13.16 | stoned | try /msg dpkg d-i |
| 20:13.21 | stoned | or google for 'debian installer' |
| 20:13.40 | plsd | theholyduck, maybe because compiling your own stuff isn't really recommended..? ubuntu is supposed to be user friendly and asking people to compile their own stuff isn't very user friendly. |
| 20:13.47 | agnitio | is there a way, module option or something, to disable the check for the hardware rf kill switch? |
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| 20:14.02 | twobitsprite | stoned: yes, I know about these things... I was just agreeing with chriswaterguy that it would be nice to see a testing netinst cd link from the "Download a small image file, record it to a CD/DVD/USB disk/floppy, and install using the Internet." link |
| 20:14.05 | stoned | though I think the reason that it isn't avaible directly over the getting debian is because we try to promote the stable release above all |
| 20:14.06 | theholyduck | plsd, well ubuntu also refuse to package a non 2 year old mplayer |
| 20:14.21 | theholyduck | well then again debian is no better |
| 20:14.24 | stoned | twobitsprite, but you can |
| 20:14.34 | stoned | even with the stable netinst iso from that main link |
| 20:14.39 | stoned | you can install testing or sid directly |
| 20:14.58 | twobitsprite | oh? I thought they would just install stable |
| 20:15.04 | stoned | simiply on the boot prompt of the cd, pass the kernel boot parameter of debconf_priority=low or medium |
| 20:15.14 | stoned | if you do not know already, then use medium, else use low |
| 20:15.28 | stoned | both will provide an option to select which mirror of which distribution release you will get |
| 20:15.34 | stoned | you can select from stable/testing/unstable |
| 20:15.50 | plsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.56 | twobitsprite | stoned: think you're still missing the point.... :) |
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| 20:16.02 | stoned | twobitsprite, no I am not |
| 20:16.03 | chriswaterguy | stoned: promoting the stable version is one thing, but the pages should then say, "This will install the stable version, which is the version we recommend" rather than let the newbie try and guess. Or come on IRC and start complaining :-) |
| 20:16.12 | stoned | twobitsprite, I'm talking about other things not related to that link |
| 20:16.23 | twobitsprite | ok :) |
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| 20:16.28 | stoned | chriswaterguy, its a community project I hope you realize |
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| 20:16.56 | stoned | if you do not like something, do not complain, do not ask, make a patch and send it in, when you've already done the work, we're more likely to include the change later than if you didn't do the work |
| 20:17.01 | chriswaterguy | stoned: yes I realize. Community projects where the community can't contribute to the linked download guides don't make sense. |
| 20:17.06 | stoned | otherwise file a wishlist against the debian www package |
| 20:17.20 | stoned | which could take a while... |
| 20:17.40 | twobitsprite | stoned: I think you're being too defensive, I don't think anyone is complaining, chriswaterguy was just asking if any one else noticed that it was a bit confusing on the web site... and I was agreeing with him |
| 20:17.42 | chriswaterguy | I'm not talking about the packages, I'm talking about the docs. |
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| 20:17.58 | stoned | I'm not being defensive, I'm trying to promote leadership |
| 20:17.59 | stoned | :) |
| 20:18.00 | foetus | sorry for the weak login..i sweat about centericq |
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| 20:18.19 | stoned | chriswaterguy, docs are packaged |
| 20:18.26 | chriswaterguy | stoned: twobitsprite is right - I have a lot of respect for Debian, but no point pushing for something if no one else thinks it's a good idea. |
| 20:18.29 | stoned | chriswaterguy, docs are also pacakges you can find bugs in |
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| 20:18.48 | chriswaterguy | stoned: okay: I have no idea how to deal with that, then. I still like the wiki approach much better. |
| 20:18.52 | stoned | chriswaterguy, we get lots of people who want this, I have witnessed this request being made numerou times in here |
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| 20:19.16 | chriswaterguy | and they can't do it because... it's something that only geeks know how to do: |
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| 20:19.28 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 20:19.31 | stoned | good luck mate. |
| 20:19.40 | kbrower33 | google seems to like the net install http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+download |
| 20:20.01 | chriswaterguy | stoned: kalau aku tidak mengerti apa yang kamu ngomong, gimana aku bisa nurut? |
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| 20:20.15 | stoned | This is an english only channel please. |
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| 20:20.36 | Fiskah_ | I tried "apt-get install python-subversion" but it didn't install a svn directory in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/svn - Any clues? |
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| 20:20.53 | stoned | Fiskah_, look in /usr/share/docs/python-subversion/ |
| 20:21.01 | agnitio | hmm, another thing, "ifconfig wlan0" displays info about the interface, but "ifconfig wlan0 up" says that the device does not exist |
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| 20:21.04 | stoned | Fiskah_, maybe some clue in the docs or the readme.DEBIAN perhaps |
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| 20:21.40 | stoned | agnitio, ifup wlan0 ? |
| 20:21.42 | Fiskah_ | stoned: no such file or directory |
| 20:21.47 | stew | Fiskah_: "dpkg -L python-svn" says /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/pysvn |
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| 20:22.42 | agnitio | # ifup wlan0 |
| 20:22.43 | agnitio | Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. |
| 20:22.51 | chriswaterguy | stoned: translation: if I don't understand what you're talking about, how can I take your advice? |
| 20:22.53 | stew | oh, wait, there are separate python-subversion and python-svn packages?!? |
| 20:23.02 | roe_ | anyone using the dlz architecture of bind? |
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| 20:23.27 | chriswaterguy | my point being that geeks also speak a different language, and get impatient when people don't understand bahasa geek. |
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| 20:23.59 | stew | Fiskah_: if you really have python-subversion and not python-svn then /usr/share/doc/python-subversion/README.Debian would definately exist |
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| 20:27.46 | agnitio | stoned: any other suggestions? |
| 20:27.58 | abrotman | Acedip: so, when you try to start gnome now, what happens? |
| 20:28.09 | abrotman | Acedip: did you look at ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 20:28.24 | Acedip | abrotman: ya.. |
| 20:28.28 | asulao | in lenny 686 installation, if I install an amd64 kernel, and add entry in lilo, then it will not boot. any thoughts? |
| 20:28.42 | Acedip | abrotman: sorry no ya.. |
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| 20:29.14 | stoned | Fiskah_, whoops |
| 20:29.18 | HSNews | how to delete all directories named 0-3000 ("1", "356", "2323") |
| 20:29.20 | stoned | my foot kicked the thingy and then I lost power |
| 20:29.22 | stoned | :D |
| 20:29.28 | HSNews | in /proc/ directory |
| 20:29.32 | abrotman | Acedip: which? |
| 20:29.35 | stoned | agnitio, what was the problem? |
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| 20:30.08 | asdfqwer | anyone recommend a decent screencasting app for gnome? |
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| 20:30.42 | Acedip | abrotman: cant start gnome, it by default starts TWM and wen i click on failsafe gnome it says "could not find the gnome installation, will try running the failsafe xterm session" and it then says "couldn't find xterm to start a failsafe session |
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| 20:30.55 | stoned | asdfqwer, use the command line tool, scrot |
| 20:31.01 | asdfqwer | scort |
| 20:31.05 | stoned | scrot |
| 20:31.10 | asdfqwer | k |
| 20:31.36 | stoned | judd versions scrot |
| 20:31.36 | judd | stoned: scrot -- etch: 0.8-7 lenny: 0.8-7 sid: 0.8-8 squeeze: 0.8-8 |
| 20:31.44 | stoned | yup, its everwhere |
| 20:31.48 | OpenTokix | damn Iam bored |
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| 20:31.57 | OpenTokix | im compiling a kernel for fun... |
| 20:31.59 | OpenTokix | poor me |
| 20:32.02 | asulao | in a lenny 686 installation (on macbookpro, dualcore2), if I install an amd64 kernel, and add entry in lilo, then it will not boot. any thoughts? |
| 20:32.06 | stoned | kill boredom, contribute to debian |
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| 20:32.18 | chriswaterguy | btw, I've been reading, but still confused: If I run testing and want a package that's not in testing yet, is it easy to install, using the unstable repo and "apt-listbugs"? |
| 20:32.20 | stoned | go clean up and update the wiki pages ;) |
| 20:32.33 | agnitio | stoned: My wireless network (iwl3945) says the hardware RF kill switch is active, but I have none, so I can't disable it |
| 20:32.42 | stoned | chriswaterguy, yeh sure, testing and sid are fairly close |
| 20:32.57 | asdf | grumbles |
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| 20:33.18 | chriswaterguy | stoned: okay, so in theory there could be a clash, because it's a different kernel... but in practice there probably won't be? |
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| 20:33.36 | stoned | I have little experience with wifi, let alone intel, I have a bcm4306 on 2.6.18 |
| 20:34.14 | agnitio | ah, thanks though! |
| 20:34.19 | plsd | I reported a bug and now someone wants a backtrace, I installed rhythmbox-dbg but don't know what to do now, could someone guide me through this? |
| 20:34.21 | stoned | chriswaterguy, that depends on what you want, if you want a drive or a module thats for specifically a higher version kernel in sid, then yes, otherwise for regular software you don't need to worry about the kernel |
| 20:34.25 | asdfqwer | stoned, scrot looks like a screen 'shot' capture app |
| 20:34.37 | asdfqwer | i'm looking for something the records a session |
| 20:34.38 | stoned | asdfqwer, you're looking for video recording, like screencasting? |
| 20:34.40 | helo | what must i do in kde for dual-head with an nvidia card? i followed the nvidia m-i instructions from dpkg, and the nvidia driver is working... but under Peripherals->Display, there is only "Screen 1" |
| 20:34.41 | asdfqwer | and outputs say an swf |
| 20:34.46 | stoned | I see |
| 20:35.18 | stoned | there are a few I forgot the names, though you can find out easily via google, search for 'how to make screencasts on linux' there was a very informative and wonderful tutorial written for ubuntu but it works just as well on debian |
| 20:35.27 | stoned | the same packages exist in both in that context |
| 20:35.32 | asdfqwer | k, ya seems like there is a lot |
| 20:35.43 | chriswaterguy | stoned: Thanks. And is there anything else that I should worry about? Or will apt-listbugs take care of everything? (I guess that apt-listbugs assumes I'm running Sid?) |
| 20:35.44 | stoned | xvidcap comes to mind |
| 20:35.46 | asdfqwer | just looking for a third-opinion |
| 20:35.46 | helo | should both of the displays just appear in the screen drop-down? |
| 20:35.48 | asdfqwer | k |
| 20:36.15 | stoned | chriswaterguy, apt-listchanges as well, just to see those too |
| 20:36.34 | stoned | chriswaterguy, read the bugs and watch for make intelligent decicions |
| 20:36.36 | chriswaterguy | stoned: thanks, will google that. |
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| 20:37.14 | stoned | ok that was horrible grammar, I missed a preposition somewhere |
| 20:37.23 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 20:37.44 | stoned | !greet Posterdati |
| 20:37.44 | dpkg | Salutations, Posterdati |
| 20:38.00 | Posterdati | need help with qt4 and openmodelica compilation :( |
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| 20:38.08 | chriswaterguy | meh, irc is like speech - there's horrible grammar all the time. |
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| 20:38.22 | stoned | !tell Posterdati -about ask |
| 20:38.24 | stoned | :) |
| 20:38.36 | tolecnal | chriswaterguy: unfortunately, yes. but there are a few exceptions, but they are few and far between. |
| 20:38.53 | Posterdati | here my problem http://pastebin.com/dba2bf04 |
| 20:39.07 | Posterdati | squeeze + 2.6.24 + athlon 1200 |
| 20:39.45 | chriswaterguy | tolecnal: few things I have to worry about you mean? i.e. just install and ask for help if it breaks? :-) |
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| 20:39.59 | Posterdati | need help with qt4 and openmodelica compilation :( |
| 20:40.01 | Posterdati | here my problem http://pastebin.com/dba2bf04 |
| 20:40.02 | Posterdati | squeeze + 2.6.24 + athlon 1200 |
| 20:40.14 | tolecnal | chriswaterguy: no, make sure it never breaks in the first place :P |
| 20:40.14 | abrotman | Acedip: aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment ? |
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| 20:40.51 | chriswaterguy | tolecnal: A computer operating system? Never break? would be nice. |
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| 20:41.10 | stoned | Posterdati, adjust your PATH so that the QT4 tools are first e.g. add PATH=/usr/share/qt4/bin:$PATH something |
| 20:41.14 | chriswaterguy | One last q: If I'm installing Debian for the first time, and I'm not a geek, I assume the CD for the netinstall will be safer and easier than the USB install. (I like the USB idea - greener, less plastic waste...) |
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| 20:41.34 | tolecnal | chriswaterguy: I find that most breakages in terms of *NIX is because of a user error, the infamous; "the error resides between the chair and the monitor". |
| 20:41.37 | stoned | I wonder if the package is misconfigured |
| 20:41.54 | stew | chriswaterguy: they are the same process once you have a usb with the install image. getting the usb drive setup is not currently straightforward, however |
| 20:41.58 | plsd | I take it no one here knows what a backtrace is then? |
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| 20:42.00 | stew | chriswaterguy: use a cdrw |
| 20:42.12 | chriswaterguy | stew: k, thanks. |
| 20:42.17 | stew | plsd: that would probably be incorrect |
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| 20:42.45 | stew | plsd: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
| 20:42.53 | Posterdati | stoned: trying now |
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| 20:43.11 | Posterdati | stoned: no way |
| 20:43.16 | stoned | Posterdati, also check the bts for that qt4 tools pacakge |
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| 20:43.27 | Posterdati | stoned: bts? |
| 20:43.28 | stoned | have you tried to google the error message |
| 20:43.31 | chriswaterguy | tolecnal: it's easy to blame user error. Having tried Ubuntu in 2007, tho, I had plenty of problems that geeks responded to with "that's a known bug" or "that's weird - I have no idea" |
| 20:43.32 | stoned | !tell Posterdati -about bts |
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| 20:43.43 | stoned | http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS311US311&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=uic:+File+generated+with+too+recent+version+of+Qt+Designer+(4.0+vs.+3.3.8b) |
| 20:43.46 | stoned | :) |
| 20:43.47 | chriswaterguy | expecting there'll be less of that in Debian. |
| 20:43.58 | plsd | stew, I have that open already. I can't do it. I've installed rhythmbox-dbg and gdb, I don't know what to do next. |
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| 20:44.05 | stoned | there are tons of results, so its a konwn problem it seems |
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| 20:44.40 | stoned | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.rc/browse_thread/thread/a404568e2e24663c |
| 20:45.03 | stew | plsd: start the program from gdb? |
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| 20:45.58 | plsd | stew, I don't know how to, I tried "gdb rhythmbox" and then "bt" and "rhythmbox", nothing. I tried just "gdb" and then "rhythmbox", nothing. |
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| 20:46.19 | stew | plsd: see the "Running gdb" section of HowToGetABacktrace |
| 20:46.39 | plsd | stew, I've done that. |
| 20:46.51 | stew | plsd: so is rythmbox running now? |
| 20:46.57 | plsd | stew, no. |
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| 20:47.01 | stew | plsd: did you start it? |
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| 20:47.15 | plsd | stew, I don't know how to as I explained. |
| 20:47.26 | stew | plsd: what commands did you type in gdb? |
| 20:47.34 | plsd | bt |
| 20:47.37 | plsd | rhythmbox |
| 20:48.01 | stew | plsd: see the "Running gdb" section in the HowToGetABacktrace, it tells you how to start the program from gdb |
| 20:48.17 | plsd | ... |
| 20:48.30 | stew | plsd: but instead of running the "hello" program you are trying to run the "rythmbox" program |
| 20:48.46 | plsd | I know that. I did "gdb rhythmbox". nothing. |
| 20:49.07 | stew | plsd: then i guess forget it |
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| 20:49.32 | plsd | uh, right... anyone else? |
| 20:49.44 | stew | plsd: you want me to type out what is already in the wiki? |
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| 20:50.07 | plsd | <stew> plsd: start the program from gdb? |
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| 20:50.07 | plsd | <plsd> stew, I don't know how to, I tried "gdb rhythmbox" and then "bt" and "rhythmbox", nothing. I tried just "gdb" and then "rhythmbox", nothing. |
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| 20:50.19 | plsd | <stew> plsd: so is rythmbox running now? |
| 20:50.21 | plsd | <plsd> stew, no. |
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| 20:50.25 | plsd | <stew> plsd: did you start it? |
| 20:50.25 | stew | rgr: so run it |
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| 20:50.31 | plsd | <plsd> stew, I don't know how to as I explained. |
| 20:50.33 | plsd | <stew> plsd: what commands did you type in gdb? |
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| 20:50.52 | jackweb | Hello! I would like to move Debian from the first disk to the second one. Is a good way to make images by dd? |
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| 20:51.26 | twobitsprite | jackweb: what's wrong with cp? |
| 20:51.43 | Daemon_Byte | hey all, anyone know much about milters and postfix? I setup a milter for spam assassin but in the logs it is reporting a permissions error on the socket despite it being owned by the postfix user. Anyone any idea what could be causing it? |
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| 20:51.56 | jackweb | twobitsprite: yeah! I've forgotten! |
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| 20:52.05 | jackweb | twobitsprite: thanks. :) |
| 20:52.09 | twobitsprite | :) |
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| 20:52.40 | twobitsprite | jackweb: you will still need to reinstall grub to the boot sector of the other HDD though |
| 20:52.46 | khaije1 | i'm getting an error on startup saying "ata3: soft reset failed (device not ready)" which is causing boot to stall. I've dont some googling but haven't found anything... any suggestions? |
| 20:52.55 | esaym | does using lvm cause a performance hit? |
| 20:53.06 | esaym | lvm on top of raid5... |
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| 20:53.19 | twobitsprite | esaym: it should be negligable on modern hardware |
| 20:53.52 | esaym | hmm |
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| 20:54.27 | twobitsprite | esaym: what are you running on the system? |
| 20:54.44 | stew | plsd: at the (gdb) prompt you should first type "set pagination 0" as it says on the wiki |
| 20:54.50 | jackweb | twobitsprite: I think it is already installed on the second disk. |
| 20:55.05 | jackweb | twobitsprite: is it possible to check? :} |
| 20:55.15 | twobitsprite | jackweb: mount it and see? |
| 20:55.16 | stew | plsd: at the next (gdb) promt type "run" (like it says on the wiki), the "run" command in gdb is the one that actually starts the prgram |
| 20:55.40 | agnitio | I have a problem with iwl3945 saying my hardware RF kill switch is active, but I have none and can't get it to work, I would love some advice |
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| 20:56.07 | jackweb | twobitsprite: /boot/ is on the first disk, but I installed the program on the second one, as I remember. |
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| 20:56.32 | twobitsprite | jackweb: which program? |
| 20:56.36 | jackweb | GRUB. |
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| 20:56.44 | jackweb | /boot/ -> /boot/grub/ |
| 20:57.12 | twobitsprite | jackweb: /boot is on /dev/sda but /boot/grub is on /dev/sdb? |
| 20:57.17 | Mox` | stew, are u there? |
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| 20:57.34 | plsd | stew, thanks, I misunderstood that, to me it seemed as the program should load. But I don't understand why everything has to be a puzzle, you could have explained that right away and saved both you and me some time. |
| 20:57.45 | Melior | Could somebody help me put up a deb package for vsftpd 2.1.0? |
| 20:57.53 | jaggz | how do I edit konqueror's context menu to add "Edit in vim" ? |
| 20:58.00 | jackweb | twobitsprite: ok, I don't know. :) I'll ask you if there will be any problems. :) |
| 20:58.13 | jackweb | problem* |
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| 20:58.40 | esaym | twobitsprite: well this issue is that I have spent the last week installing and benchmarking a raid5 setup on my desktop. I got everything tuned right and boonie is giving me reads of atleast 180000. I noticed that mdadm has an option of using "partitionable" arrays, so I recreated my array with that (/dev/md_dxx) and made some partitions on the array but the boonie speeds dropped to 140000. So I don't know what happened. I don't what to |
| 20:58.41 | esaym | have to make a bunch of partitions on my block devices though. so someone recommend lvm which I am messing with now.... |
| 20:59.18 | Mox` | http://paste-it.net/public/o4fc612/ <- why do I get these errors when I run dpkg -i image..? and how do I fix them? :S |
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| 21:01.47 | ezguy | here is good examples on expansion: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v5r3/index.jsp?topic=/rzahz/paramexp.htm |
| 21:02.30 | twobitsprite | esaym: you running a high-traffic web server or something? |
| 21:02.54 | twobitsprite | esaym: or are you just looking for the Tim Allen factor on your desktop? |
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| 21:03.24 | esaym | twobitsprite: No just a desktop. A small company I worked at part time went under and I got a stack of free hard drives..... |
| 21:04.09 | esaym | anyway, the bonnie benchmark of this lvm on raid5 just finished, it is even worse, only 124000 |
| 21:04.13 | esaym | hmm |
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| 21:05.21 | HSNews | How to (and with what) replace 'init'? |
| 21:05.22 | twobitsprite | ahh, Tim Allen |
| 21:05.32 | HSNews | I want to accelerate Debain starting |
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| 21:05.45 | HSNews | optimize booting |
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| 21:06.59 | my007ms | what .deb i need to install to have mail command ? |
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| 21:08.39 | stew | my007ms: mailx (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 21:09.09 | stew | Mox`: out of curiosity, why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 21:09.27 | Mox` | stew, I want to disable module support and other stuff.. |
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| 21:09.42 | stew | Mox`: why do you need an initrd? |
| 21:10.02 | esaym | I don't see how lvm would effect filesystem performance though. It is only using one pv |
| 21:10.04 | Known_problems | name of one programs for edition of Icons .ico for gnome? |
| 21:10.24 | Mox` | stew I don't know if I need it? but don't I need it to be able to boot? |
| 21:10.42 | stew | Mox`: is / on lvm or raid? |
| 21:10.51 | Mox` | raid 1 |
| 21:11.02 | stew | Mox`: ok, that's why you need it |
| 21:11.13 | Mox` | stew, okay, what do i do then? :S |
| 21:11.26 | stew | Mox`: try building the initrd by calling mkinitramfs directly |
| 21:11.33 | Mox` | hmm okay |
| 21:11.43 | twobitsprite | esaym: wait... you have lvn _on top of_ raid5... why? |
| 21:11.49 | twobitsprite | lvm* |
| 21:11.55 | stoned | hm.. gnome-iconedit? |
| 21:12.18 | Acedip | abrotman: so what could be done next |
| 21:12.19 | Acedip | ? |
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| 21:12.47 | stoned | Known_problems, gnome-iconedit ? |
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| 21:13.53 | Known_problems | stoned, I tested⦠bad very! |
| 21:14.04 | roue | hola -- there's a debian specific command that allows you to choose a preset group of packages to install for specific purposes but I can't remember what it is. I'm creating an image with debootstrap and would like to not pick out every package. Anyone know what I'm trying to remember? thanks. |
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| 21:14.39 | roue | template something. |
| 21:14.43 | Melior | Could somebody help me put up a deb package for vsftpd 2.1.0? |
| 21:14.59 | churl | where would i begin if i wanted to add the gnome desktop environment on my server? |
| 21:15.04 | Mox` | stew, hmm how do I do that? |
| 21:15.06 | jackweb | What filesystem is hidden under "Linux" in cfdisk? Ext3? |
| 21:15.13 | \amethyst | churl: aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 21:15.18 | esaym | twobitsprite: well I was wanting some partitions on the array without making partitions on the block device. |
| 21:15.25 | esaym | seems normal? |
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| 21:15.35 | stew | Mox`: iirc mkinitrafs -o $filename $version ; but chaeck the manpage |
| 21:15.37 | esaym | I was wanting / swap and /home on the array |
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| 21:15.50 | \amethyst | churl: or aptitude install gnome if you want the optional parts, too |
| 21:15.51 | twobitsprite | esaym: you should be able to do that without lvm |
| 21:15.57 | abrotman | Acedip: hold on |
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| 21:16.13 | paxcoder | does pidgin crash with msn for anyone but me? |
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| 21:16.18 | abrotman | Acedip: did that do anything? |
| 21:16.33 | Acedip | wat did ? |
| 21:16.37 | Mox` | stew, hmm nothing really happens |
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| 21:16.38 | churl | \amethyst: thanks |
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| 21:17.06 | Acedip | abrotman: did u see my last msg about the error starting gnome. |
| 21:17.55 | Known_problems | stoned, The Inkscape and Gimp not saved correctly the .ico archive, windows does not recognize the image of the icon. |
| 21:17.57 | esaym | yes I could make partitions on the block device and tie them all together with arrays like md0 = sda1 sda2 sda3, md1 = sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 ect but this just seems messy and it creates more raid processes |
| 21:18.01 | Mox` | stew: does i take a while before anything happens? :) |
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| 21:19.20 | twobitsprite | esaym: you can't partition the full RAID volume? |
| 21:19.22 | vn0 | hi, [notice] child pid 2928 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) <=== when visiting my pic gallery, since the dist-upgrade...what can I do? thats in the apache's error.log |
| 21:19.44 | roue | tasksel -- that's what I was looking for. |
| 21:19.46 | twobitsprite | esaym: like "fdisk /dev/md0"? |
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| 21:20.29 | abrotman | Acedip: i think i didn't .. did you check the .xsession-errors file ? |
| 21:21.04 | esaym | twobitsprite: yes I did that and it hurt performance from before: "twobitsprite: well this issue is that I have spent the last week installing and benchmarking a raid5 setup on my desktop. I got everything tuned right and boonie is giving me reads of atleast 180000. I noticed that mdadm has an option of using "partitionable" arrays, so I recreated my array with that (/dev/md_dxx) and made some partitions on the array but the boonie speeds |
| 21:21.06 | esaym | dropped to 140000." |
| 21:21.09 | paxcoder | anyone? pidgin? msn? crash? |
| 21:21.58 | Acedip | abrotman: tht file says, " couldn't create gnome accelerators directory '/home/ani/.gnome2/accels' permission denied |
| 21:22.12 | plsd | paxcoder, works fine here. File a bug report maybe? |
| 21:22.15 | stew | Mox`: that command can take a long time to complete |
| 21:22.26 | Mox` | stew, okay, and when it's done? |
| 21:22.26 | abrotman | Acedip: create a new user, and try again |
| 21:22.38 | paxcoder | plsd: since it's package build, it has no -g switch so no useful debug info |
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| 21:22.54 | paxcoder | plsd: this is all i get: http://pastebin.com/fb509f34 |
| 21:23.09 | stew | Mox`: did it succeed? |
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| 21:23.21 | Quicken2k | hi does Debian 5.0 have a GUI install or text based? |
| 21:23.26 | stew | Quicken2k: both |
| 21:23.39 | Quicken2k | ahh ok like Gui it's easier |
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| 21:23.42 | plsd | paxcoder, I don't know then, I'm just a newbie :) |
| 21:23.47 | Deepa^ | It also has a completly interface-less installation if you want it to |
| 21:23.48 | chriswaterguy | I sometimes hear it said that people new to Debian should always use Stable. I've been using Linux (tried a few distros) for ~18 months, & I'm going for "testing" so I have newer package options, relying on apt-listbugs and and apt-listchanges to check before installing packages. Is that a really bad idea, going with testing? |
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| 21:24.02 | Quicken2k | can I dualboot it with xp sp3? |
| 21:24.02 | Mox` | stew I don't know yet |
| 21:24.02 | stew | Quicken2k: the gui is no easier, its the same exact process with the same exact questions, just with nicer looking fonts |
| 21:24.13 | Deepa^ | chriswaterguy: don't go testing for 'newer packages' |
| 21:24.21 | Deepa^ | Go unstable for newer packages rather :D |
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| 21:24.45 | Deepa^ | If you need bleeding edge you can always make a your own debs and keep things nice and clean |
| 21:24.56 | Acidic32|Gone | hi |
| 21:24.57 | Acidic32|Gone | http://pastebin.ca/1348169 |
| 21:25.03 | Acidic32|Gone | how comes i cant get 1024x768? |
| 21:25.05 | Quicken2k | well I already have a nix partion with an old nix disro on it so will install deb there |
| 21:25.16 | paxcoder | chriswaterguy: most ppl use testing for desktops. the problem is there has been a recent rotation so you get what recently was experimental so you might have some probs. |
| 21:25.22 | paxcoder | at first that is |
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| 21:25.41 | twobitsprite | esaym: well, I don't know... I don't mess with RAID, etc |
| 21:25.59 | esaym | yea it is interesting |
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| 21:26.45 | paxcoder | chriswaterguy: but you'll have to learn to deal with bugs sooner or later, so i'd say just go for testing, and hang out here asking smart questions ;-) |
| 21:26.56 | twobitsprite | esaym: good luck |
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| 21:27.02 | Acedip | abrotman: how to that in the cli mode |
| 21:27.07 | chriswaterguy | Deepa and paxcoder: I don't need bleeding edge, just don't want to wait 18 months for an update. |
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| 21:27.28 | Deepa^ | chriswaterguy: packages gets updated even in oldstable! |
| 21:27.43 | paxcoder | chriswaterguy: i'm telling you. go for testing |
| 21:27.52 | abrotman | Acedip: adduser testuser |
| 21:28.06 | chriswaterguy | Deepa - that's not what I heard! I've been reading up, but it's quite confusing. |
| 21:28.34 | chriswaterguy | paxcoder: what's the advantage of testing - newer packages, or something else? |
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| 21:28.50 | esaym | ;) |
| 21:29.09 | Acedip | abrotman: i'm still logged into TWM |
| 21:29.26 | Mox` | stew: it's done now, how do I see if it succeedet? |
| 21:29.33 | chriswaterguy | Deepa: re making my own debs... that's something I have yet to learn, and I'd rather not have to. |
| 21:29.34 | stew | echo $? |
| 21:29.41 | abrotman | Acedip: use a terminal .. use 'su' to become root |
| 21:29.44 | chriswaterguy | (but probably will learn it anyway) |
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| 21:29.56 | Acedip | okk.. |
| 21:29.57 | stew | Mox`: (assuming you havne't typed any other commands in that shell) |
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| 21:30.29 | Acedip | abrotman: in runlevel 1.. |
| 21:30.37 | Mox` | stew what? |
| 21:30.39 | stew | Mox`: if that worked but it didn't during postinst, it might be a problem of too short of a timeout in the postinst |
| 21:30.57 | stew | Mox`: $? is the shell variable that holds the exit stats of the previously executed command |
| 21:31.04 | Mox` | stew okay |
| 21:31.06 | abrotman | Acedip: nope .. just start a terminal and create the user |
| 21:31.12 | stew | Mox`: an exit status of 0 is success, non-zero is failure |
| 21:31.59 | Acedip | abrotman: that is how i'd done it..but its still gving mr TWM |
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| 21:32.06 | paxcoder | chriswaterguy: why would you need your own debs? yes, testing is newer than stable, but not as new as experimental as we hinted. |
| 21:32.21 | paxcoder | there's also unstable :-P |
| 21:32.29 | abrotman | Acedip: with the new user ? |
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| 21:32.41 | Acedip | abrotman: yes |
| 21:32.49 | Acedip | abrotman: cant start gnome, it by default starts TWM and wen i click on failsafe gnome it says "could not find the gnome installation, will try running the failsafe xterm session" and it then says "couldn't find xterm to start a failsafe session |
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| 21:33.02 | abrotman | really doesn't make sense |
| 21:33.03 | Mox` | stew okay |
| 21:33.12 | twobitsprite | what's the difference between artsd and alsa? artsd us alsa, or does it connect to the hardware itself? |
| 21:33.22 | abrotman | Acedip: seems like the gnome installation didn't finish correctly at all |
| 21:34.07 | Acedip | abrotman: okk.. then?? |
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| 21:34.34 | abrotman | Acedip: try installing another WM like XFCE and see if it works or has the same issue |
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| 21:38.18 | jaggz | how do I get an entry into Konquerer's main context menu instead of the Actions-> submenu? |
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| 21:40.37 | Acedip | abrotman: well how to start xfce, its not in the session's list at the login menu |
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| 21:40.47 | m0zzzy | hi |
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| 21:41.05 | Acedip | abrotman: i dont have to reboot, do i ? |
| 21:41.09 | foetus | is there a short manual on the web for creating own debs from source? i have a compiled squid and its only a makeself installer, but i wonna replace the original squid (oldstable) with my new one (squid-2.6.STABLE17) in the package manager..so i need a deb |
| 21:41.16 | m0zzzy | I have got a problem after dist-upgrade from etch to lenny. Now after POST, my machine hangs in "GRUB _" |
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| 21:42.16 | souldier | hello |
| 21:42.32 | souldier | how can i check what account is running a daemon? |
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| 21:43.48 | jaggz | it seems like every document is from weird people who think it's okay for everything we add to go into Konquerer's "Actions" submenu and don't document (or question) anything else... is something wrong with me? |
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| 21:44.55 | \amethyst | souldier: ps -o user= -p $(pgrep name-of-daemon) |
| 21:46.30 | souldier | 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket |
| 21:46.33 | souldier | hmm |
| 21:47.03 | \amethyst | souldier: what is this? |
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| 21:47.20 | souldier | its part of the output i got |
| 21:47.33 | souldier | the thing is i want to check under what account is vsftpd running |
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| 21:47.52 | souldier | cause i need to change it and i cant find anything in the config thatll help me |
| 21:48.16 | apostle | installed Debian Lenny 64 on X7DCL-3 server machine and a superserver 6015c-m3 and both times xwindows fails and I get out of range on the display...can someone help |
| 21:50.17 | Daemon_Byte | anyone got any hints on how I can debug a permissions problem with a milter socket? |
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| 21:51.26 | cognitiaclaeves | Is there a way to make less pass through the colors? foo | less -R still results in uncolored text. |
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| 21:52.30 | hans__ | is there any particular reason why having an email address beginning with "news@" is invalid? ie. "news@example.com" ? |
| 21:53.40 | \amethyst | hans__: illegal according to whom? |
| 21:53.57 | hans__ | because i tried registering to zdnet with such an email address only to have it rejected... i wrote to their customer support and their reponse was: |
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| 21:54.48 | hans__ | "Yes [it is invalid], because "news" is not an acceptable email username. The system is not supposed to allow you to register or receive newsletters with an email address formatter with "news". |
| 21:54.50 | hans__ | wtf? |
| 21:55.00 | \amethyst | hans__: news@example.com typically belongs to the usenet admin on a machine |
| 21:55.03 | freebsdb | someone is logged in #freebsd ? |
| 21:55.16 | \amethyst | hans__: kind of like webmaster or postmaster |
| 21:55.24 | \amethyst | hans__: but that seems like a silly rule |
| 21:55.33 | hans__ | thats what i was wondering... abuse@ is another |
| 21:55.51 | hans__ | but i didn't know this was the same for news@ |
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| 21:56.00 | \amethyst | hans__: perhaps it's to keep you from trying to subscribe some hapless admin? |
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| 21:56.14 | hans__ | good point |
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| 22:00.06 | kenjy | guys how can I send a click mouse through ssh ? |
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| 22:00.36 | skor | Can anyone reference a good document for tweaking tcp performance on debian ? |
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| 22:02.41 | Acedip | abrotman: ?? |
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| 22:08.10 | evilgeek | why doesn't the sun-java6-bin package install javac? |
| 22:08.29 | OpenTokix | evilgeek: you need the dev for that, since javac is a compiler |
| 22:08.54 | evilgeek | i meant sun-java6-jdk. |
| 22:09.04 | b1n42y | is there anyway of downloading dpkg bot so i can ask question offline |
| 22:09.05 | evilgeek | it installs a binary to someplace that's not in the default $PATH. |
| 22:09.19 | evilgeek | (/usr/lib/jvm/*/bin) |
| 22:09.37 | paxcoder | so when do i get squeeze packages? |
| 22:09.40 | OpenTokix | evilgeek: add it to your path then? |
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| 22:09.59 | Acedip | well i have installed xfce but its not there in the sessions menu at login screen, how to start it otherwise.. |
| 22:10.14 | evilgeek | OpenTokix: i could. i just wonder why it's not put somewhere readable by default. |
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| 22:13.10 | paxcoder | so... when DO i get squeeze packages? |
| 22:13.35 | OpenTokix | evilgeek: well, java is a huge piece of crud - so... |
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| 22:14.41 | evilgeek | OpenTokix: then make something better and make everyone use it. |
| 22:15.06 | stew | paxcoder: what do you mean? is squeeze in your sources.list? |
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| 22:16.10 | paxcoder | stew: no, and i don't plan to add it. testing is tho. |
| 22:16.26 | stew | paxcoder: than you should already get squeeze packages |
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| 22:17.10 | paxcoder | stew: that must be why pidgin crashed ;-P jk, dunno. but they aren't releasing all at once i reckon? |
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| 22:17.19 | paxcoder | *all of it |
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| 22:17.40 | paxcoder | *crahsed = crashes |
| 22:17.46 | stew | paxcoder: what do you mean by "releasing all at once" ? |
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| 22:17.58 | OpenTokix | evilgeek: why can't people code in C? |
| 22:18.12 | evilgeek | because C is totally unsuitable for what they do. |
| 22:18.18 | paxcoder | OpenTokix: oop and new are cool |
| 22:18.54 | OpenTokix | paxcoder: c++? |
| 22:18.55 | paxcoder | stew: i'd like to think that the difference between the releases is more than 40 new packages |
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| 22:19.04 | abrotman | Acedip: it should be in the list |
| 22:19.06 | paxcoder | OpenTokix: yeah, i assumed that's what you were talking about |
| 22:19.28 | stew | paxcoder: yes. the day that lenny was released, over 2300 new packages moved to squeeze |
| 22:19.40 | stew | paxcoder: and now they flow from unstable to testing as normal |
| 22:19.41 | paxcoder | OpenTokix: but C is still more popular in RL projects than C++ if I'm not mistaken. However Python takes the cake these days. |
| 22:20.10 | paxcoder | stew: i don't remember getting 2300 pkgs? |
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| 22:20.25 | stew | paxcoder: i'm guessing that you didn't have all of those packages installed |
| 22:20.36 | OpenTokix | paxcoder: yeah since c++ gives huge overheads |
| 22:20.45 | Acedip | abrotman: its not :( |
| 22:20.57 | abrotman | Acedip: did you restart GDM ? |
| 22:20.57 | paxcoder | stew: heh. that's my guess too :-P |
| 22:21.09 | paxcoder | OpenTokix: huge? |
| 22:21.26 | paxcoder | stew: can i check somehow? libc6 version perhaps? |
| 22:21.32 | twobitsprite | paxcoder: it definately can if you aren't smart with your code |
| 22:21.37 | Acedip | abrotman: i restarted the comp |
| 22:21.45 | abrotman | still not there? |
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| 22:21.59 | paxcoder | twobitsprite: is that not the case with everything (C included)? |
| 22:22.40 | twobitsprite | paxcoder: of course... but C++ has a taller curve in that respect than a lot of languages |
| 22:22.53 | paxcoder | twobitsprite: resource? |
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| 22:23.00 | paxcoder | *source |
| 22:23.26 | twobitsprite | paxcoder: this isn't a scholarly debate, I don't have an sources, I'm just speaking from experience and my understanding of the language |
| 22:24.11 | paxcoder | twobitsprite: well you certainly present it as a fact. i'm not debating, but if you really think so, i'd like sources to look it up. just out of curiosity. |
| 22:24.14 | stew | paxcoder: not libc6. check /var/log/dpkg.log for things that have been upgraded recently? |
| 22:24.53 | twobitsprite | paxcoder: do you have peer-reviewed sources for every statement you make? sheesh, I was just throwing in my two cents... |
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| 22:25.00 | paxcoder | stew: what do i grep for? |
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| 22:25.46 | stew | paxcoder: upgrade |
| 22:25.50 | paxcoder | twobitsprite: ok, what experience of yours do you speak of? any examples? |
| 22:25.56 | paxcoder | stew: doesn't do anything |
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| 22:26.52 | paxcoder | stew: oh you mean grep. well i still don't know how i'm supposed to see that? *shrugs* |
| 22:27.03 | twobitsprite | paxcoder: nope, I just recall having to be more careful in C++ than in C or you end up gobbling up RAM, etc |
| 22:27.08 | paxcoder | *see that = interpret what i get with grep |
| 22:27.21 | grummund | hi, silly question... how do i get sounds to happen with GUI actions in gnome? |
| 22:27.34 | grummund | in gnome Sound Preferences, i have Play System Sounds ticked and the play button next to each sound does play it |
| 22:27.36 | paxcoder | twobitsprite: k :-/ |
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| 22:28.37 | twobitsprite | paxcoder: I mean, you can't deny that C++ has at least a bit more overhead than C, and if you don't manage your resources right that smaller difference adds up quickly |
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| 22:29.25 | paxcoder | twobitsprite: i honestly haven't noticed that. but then, i didn't really compare it much |
| 22:29.39 | evilgeek | twobitsprite: it does? |
| 22:29.41 | paxcoder | i only started pure C few weeks ago |
| 22:29.41 | gparent | The resource management isn't harder in any of the languages. |
| 22:29.52 | b1n42y | well so does anyone know if i can download debian irc bot and ask questions offline |
| 22:29.55 | gparent | (languages meaning C and C++ here) |
| 22:29.56 | sshc | can I see the list of upgraded packages performed by the last apt-get upgrade? |
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| 22:30.24 | paxcoder | b1n42y: hehe. |
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| 22:30.28 | gparent | In fact I'd say C++ has quite a few tricks to make sure your memory management is done correctly (overloading new, etc) |
| 22:31.00 | paxcoder | sshc: cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep upgrade (we were just talking about it, thank stew) |
| 22:31.32 | b1n42y | paxcoder: well it will be handy when i download debian repos (5dvds) so when im travelling i can mess with lynx after work |
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| 22:32.50 | paxcoder | b1n42y: dpkg says "xk" made it. you should ask him about the database |
| 22:33.07 | dareth | la la la |
| 22:33.08 | paxcoder | b1n42y: though he doesn't appear to be in the channel atm |
| 22:33.50 | b1n42y | paxcoder: thanks |
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| 22:33.59 | paxcoder | np |
| 22:34.09 | abrotman | !tell b1n42y about your factoids |
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| 22:34.36 | b1n42y | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:34.37 | dareth | what was once new is now delete 'ed |
| 22:34.59 | dareth | think I saw that message from a Diablo shrine. |
| 22:35.01 | paxcoder | abrotman: you just had to top me :-P |
| 22:35.08 | abrotman | like that's hard ... |
| 22:35.12 | paxcoder | downloads some too |
| 22:35.36 | b1n42y | lol |
| 22:35.47 | b1n42y | +1 abrotman |
| 22:35.58 | abrotman | ITYM !abrotman++ |
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| 22:36.48 | iRRVi | i have a compaq cq60 and on ubuntu i had to install the compat-wireless from source |
| 22:36.52 | iRRVi | i just installed debian |
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| 22:37.02 | iRRVi | and it has the interface...but its not working |
| 22:37.09 | abrotman | which wifi device? |
| 22:37.12 | iRRVi | it needs ath5k |
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| 22:37.24 | iRRVi | and it should already be in the kernel |
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| 22:37.31 | Daemonik | What's the official "Debian way" to have iptables settings survive a reboot? |
| 22:37.31 | iRRVi | or atleast in a module |
| 22:37.31 | abrotman | in lenny itis |
| 22:37.33 | iRRVi | and its loaded |
| 22:37.39 | paxcoder | bb then |
| 22:37.45 | abrotman | Daemonik: use iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 22:37.52 | blade_ | hi all |
| 22:37.53 | abrotman | and then use the pre-up part of the interfaces to load them |
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| 22:38.13 | b1n42y | abrotman: so the links you gave me explain how to use the dumps? |
| 22:38.13 | iRRVi | oh wait i think i know what it might be |
| 22:38.26 | iRRVi | i gotta change a setting in my bios that tells it to turn on the wifi card on startup |
| 22:38.33 | abrotman | b1n42y: it's a mysql dump .. i'll pretend i don't know anything about mysql now :) |
| 22:38.37 | iRRVi | cause on windows it has some special button that doesnt work on linux |
| 22:38.38 | iRRVi | brb |
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| 22:39.11 | blade_ | question: after command aptitude dist-upgrade downloading all packets but now is idle at 99%[Working] its normal ? |
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| 22:42.02 | OpenTokix | blade_: wait for a while, and if i stalls , ctrl + c and re-issue command |
| 22:42.05 | kelt | hi, my gnome menu got messed up pretty badly, is there a way to go back to default menus in gnome? |
| 22:42.47 | blade_ | OpenTokix ok thanks |
| 22:42.54 | xxiao | i have a new arch debian that is still been built, is there somewhere I can upload those packages for wider usage? |
| 22:42.59 | blade_ | now is idle 10 minutes |
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| 22:43.54 | Daemonik | abrotman, I would have thought it would be a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ |
| 22:44.06 | abrotman | or that should also work |
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| 22:44.35 | iRRVi | now NetworkManager wont show that i have a wifi card |
| 22:44.36 | Daemonik | abrotman, I put a script in there but it didn't run when I ran /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:44.56 | Daemonik | abrotman, Nor when I rebooted. The scripts permissions were 755 |
| 22:45.42 | abrotman | well, then try it as a pre-up on the interface in the interfaces file |
| 22:45.47 | iRRVi | i guess i just need to recompile compat-wireless or something |
| 22:46.04 | sshc | is the name after Sid really going to be Rex? what were all the names so far? |
| 22:46.15 | abrotman | uh what ? |
| 22:46.19 | abrotman | sid is always sid |
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| 22:46.25 | abrotman | and Rex has already been used |
| 22:46.28 | abrotman | !release history |
| 22:46.28 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 22:46.32 | kelt | also, is there a way to run like skype and gaim in a task menu (instead of seeing them on the menu bar?) |
| 22:47.40 | sshc | abrotman: is sid always experimental? :P |
| 22:47.56 | abrotman | no .. experimental is always experimental .. sid is always unstable |
| 22:48.07 | abrotman | only oldstable/stable/testing have changing codenames |
| 22:48.21 | abrotman | might have missed the sarcasm there ... |
| 22:49.11 | skor | is Documentation/sysctl/* the best place to find details on all sysctl values ? |
| 22:49.36 | DeSian | what the default directory chmod from images/ or /css or www/ ? |
| 22:49.50 | OpenTokix | skor: skor sysctl -a and then google the onces you are intrested in |
| 22:50.39 | skor | Yeah.. I was hoping for a comprehensive document that listed the defaults and how to calculate proper values |
| 22:51.16 | OpenTokix | skor: the defaults are pretty good now - depends on your usage |
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| 22:51.34 | OpenTokix | skor: if you don't have extreme usage of your machine - any change to sysctl-values will do pretty much nothing |
| 22:51.52 | skor | yeah, well I'm having issues with ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. Actually, I do have extreme usage |
| 22:51.58 | skor | trying to find the peak of extreme |
| 22:52.04 | skor | lots of testing, fun ! |
| 22:52.32 | OpenTokix | skor: I saw some 3-5% increase in netspeed on a webserver with 300 million requests day - an that was just on the edge what the machine could do |
| 22:52.42 | skor | this looks good http://www.wallfire.org/misc/netfilter_conntrack_perf.txt |
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| 22:52.49 | OpenTokix | skor: ok, hold on |
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| 22:53.57 | Dewi | I just updated my kernel to latest on etch, and my SK-9871 network card has stopped working. skge module seems to be the right one, when I modprobe it, it appears in 'lsmod' listings, but no eth1 in ifconfig -a |
| 22:54.07 | OpenTokix | skor: modprobe ip_conntrack hashsize= |
| 22:54.19 | Dewi | is that module failing or is there something I am forgetting to do to plumb the nic ? |
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| 22:54.53 | OpenTokix | skor: modprobe ip_conntrack hashsize=1000000 <-- from my firewall |
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| 22:55.23 | iRRVi | okay so my wireless card is detected as the wrong one |
| 22:55.29 | iRRVi | i've figured that out |
| 22:55.33 | skor | looks like default is 63140 |
| 22:55.34 | OpenTokix | skor: /bin/echo 1000000 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max |
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| 22:56.04 | OpenTokix | skor: if you have more then 100k you can also lower the time each conntrack is keept |
| 22:56.11 | OpenTokix | skor: default is like a week or soemthing |
| 22:56.11 | civillian | Dewi: dmesg | grep eth should show something if the driver / module is being loaded correctly |
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| 22:56.41 | skor | excellent, thanks. I'll experiment with it a little later. gtg |
| 22:56.52 | Dewi | civillian: aah, skge is complaining "bad or zero ethernet address in rom" |
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| 22:57.08 | nsadmin | would there be a way to say to my debian packaging database: "I made these scripts, and tell me if the things/executables they depend on are going to be upgraded (aka changed)" |
| 22:57.27 | civillian | Dewi: google that, I've never seen it before.. |
| 22:58.30 | Dewi | civillian: looks like skge aborts when that happens, sk98lin would soldier on... |
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| 23:00.15 | civillian | Dewi: sorry mate, I've never used the sk* drivers |
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| 23:00.28 | Eljugador | www.eljugador.net |
| 23:00.29 | Eljugador | www.eljugador.net |
| 23:00.30 | Eljugador | www.eljugador.net |
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| 23:01.54 | bolt | what's that often black horizontal bar that many people have on their desktops that displays all kinds of stats? |
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| 23:02.33 | duke_rar | bolt, screenshot? |
| 23:02.35 | ajcc | bolt: do you have an image? it could be many things |
| 23:02.43 | iRRVi | is there packages for newer kernels or do i have to compile myself? |
| 23:02.50 | bolt | got one somewhere. i'll dig it out |
| 23:02.52 | peterrooney | bolt: for gnome? kde? xfce? wm? |
| 23:03.02 | bolt | dives into his graphics directory |
| 23:03.19 | peterrooney | tosses bolt an extra scuba tank |
| 23:03.32 | duke_rar | that must be /etc |
| 23:04.29 | ajcc | iRRVi: there are some newer ones, but if you need the latest, building your own using make-kpkg is your best option. it will create a debian kernel-package. |
| 23:05.30 | iRRVi | ajcc: thanks |
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| 23:05.48 | iRRVi | wanders off to the terminal |
| 23:06.06 | Dewi | anyone know if it's possible to set MAC address with skge module? |
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| 23:08.05 | duke_rar | dewi: whats the skge? |
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| 23:08.23 | Dewi | duke_rar: sk-9871 with a zero mac address |
| 23:08.25 | zu22 | trying to show all packages and their size but this command fails: dpkg-query -W â-showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -n |
| 23:08.29 | zu22 | error message is: No packages found matching â-showformat=${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n. |
| 23:08.32 | j2 | !universe |
| 23:08.35 | zu22 | anyone know how i can get it working? |
| 23:08.35 | Dewi | duke_rar: just did an etch upgrade and the new kernel won't probe my card anymore |
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| 23:08.39 | zu22 | on debian testing |
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| 23:09.17 | toshiba510cdt | i am running debian gnu/linux on ancient P133 MHz laptop. i do not run X and whenever i insert my Linksys WPC11 ver3 pcmcia wireless card (prism2 chipset) my laptop screen displays the message "wifi0: prism2_interrupt: ev=0xffff" ad infinitum and can not issue any commands or anything. it does not matter if i switch to tty2. that message effectively blocks me from issuing any commands |
| 23:09.29 | toshiba510cdt | i even find myself unable to reboot the laptop with CTRL ALT DEL. can anyone help me? |
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| 23:11.07 | ajcc | Dewi: try entering hwaddress ether <MAC address> in /etc/network/interfaces then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 23:11.51 | ajcc | Dewi: but if it won't probe the card, maybe the module needs to be built? |
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| 23:12.17 | Dewi | ajcc: built? |
| 23:12.30 | Dewi | ajcc: I have the module, but it's refusing to load because it doesn't like the MAC |
| 23:12.41 | Dewi | ajcc: I have always just overridden the MAC as you say |
| 23:12.50 | nhuisman_ | is debian 5.0 for the most part stable? just pondering whether I want to use that or 4.x for a production nfs server |
| 23:13.04 | ajcc | Dewi: sounds broken, have you looked for a bug report? |
| 23:13.29 | Dewi | ajcc: how do I find out if I've been transitioned to 64 bit? |
| 23:13.44 | ajcc | Dewi: uname -a? |
| 23:13.59 | Dewi | ajcc: i686 ? |
| 23:14.06 | ajcc | Dewi: very 32-bit |
| 23:14.29 | Dewi | ajcc: I think this kernel image must have dropped the old sk98lin driver |
| 23:14.41 | Dewi | grr stable updates are not supposed to have such changes |
| 23:15.13 | ajcc | Dewi: it might have been renamed or joined with another module |
| 23:15.22 | Dewi | ajcc: it's deprecated |
| 23:15.26 | Dewi | ajcc: but it *worked* |
| 23:15.34 | Dewi | the new one is rejecting my null MAC address |
| 23:15.37 | Dewi | and refusing to load |
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| 23:15.40 | Dewi | the old one coped with that |
| 23:16.06 | Dewi | sk98lin was rewritten as skge, but skge is seeing a null MAC address and refusing to load |
| 23:16.16 | Dewi | that's assuming I was on sk98lin before |
| 23:16.20 | Dewi | I really don't know if I was |
| 23:16.27 | Dewi | I just know that etch upgrade just broke my network |
| 23:16.46 | Dewi | hmm this makes no sense |
| 23:16.49 | Dewi | I was on skge before |
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| 23:17.30 | Dewi | can see it in my udev stuff |
| 23:17.55 | d-b | Dewi: there might be an issue in udev, try removing / commenting it out ... |
| 23:18.05 | quentusrex | Help. I edited my /etc/resolv.conf file, but now I want it autogenerated when I run /etc/init.d/networking restart. |
| 23:18.10 | quentusrex | How do I do this? |
| 23:18.15 | iRRVi | what do i need to install to have make-kpkg |
| 23:18.25 | quentusrex | I moved it to /etc/resolv.conf.bak but a new one wasn't generated. |
| 23:18.28 | Dewi | d-b: in /etc/udev ? |
| 23:18.47 | d-b | mmm there should be a rule. one sec |
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| 23:19.10 | iRRVi | what do i need to install to have make-kpkg |
| 23:19.21 | Dewi | d-b: there is. commenting out didn't change anything |
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| 23:19.32 | Dewi | d-b: is there some way to find out what parameters a module supports? |
| 23:19.50 | iRRVi | nvm found it |
| 23:20.04 | iRRVi | wasnt searching for the right thing...had it mis spelled :P |
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| 23:20.10 | ajcc | iRRVi: kernel-package |
| 23:20.20 | iRRVi | thanks |
| 23:20.25 | d-b | Dewi: mmm yes but if you do lspci -> you should see what the card is attempting to use (if you can't work it out by lsmod) |
| 23:20.46 | iRRVi | settles in for the build |
| 23:21.17 | Dewi | d-b: lsmod just has the module name and a number |
| 23:21.28 | Dewi | d-b: modprobe is aborting. I jsut want it to ignore the MAC address |
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| 23:21.44 | d-b | Dewi: did you set it ?... well |
| 23:21.46 | Dewi | d-b: it's something I can easily override, I dunno why it's being so pedantic |
| 23:21.58 | iRRVi | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `include/config/auto.conf', needed by `include/config/kernel.release'. Stop. |
| 23:22.00 | iRRVi | 0.o |
| 23:22.11 | d-b | id comment it out in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_presistent-net.rules and restart udev maybe... |
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| 23:22.34 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.54 | d-b | its meant bo be fixed (the bug). |
| 23:23.00 | ajcc | iRRVi: google debian kernel make-kpkg, you'll have to get the latest kernel source, configure it, get all the build-dep and so on |
| 23:23.01 | Dewi | d-b: what bug? |
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| 23:23.08 | Dewi | d-b: it looks like it's by design to me |
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| 23:23.30 | d-b | yes ^^ |
| 23:24.24 | iRRVi | ajcc: i did configure it :-/ |
| 23:24.43 | Dewi | d-b: all I can find on google is people submitting patches for this problem in 2007 |
| 23:25.24 | nhuisman_ | anyone know of some premade usb images in dd format |
| 23:25.32 | Mox` | argh!! why can't I install my new kernel? I get this error http://paste-it.net/public/j6e2e8c/ - what to do? :S |
| 23:25.36 | nhuisman_ | so I don't have to go through all the dos partitioning bs to get linux working on a usb key |
| 23:25.43 | nhuisman_ | looking for lenny ones |
| 23:26.19 | amphi | nhuisman_: the install guide refers to a zcattable netinstall image |
| 23:26.32 | nhuisman_ | I want to install it ON a usb flash drive |
| 23:26.32 | d-b | nhuisman_: yes see debian live |
| 23:26.34 | nhuisman_ | not from |
| 23:26.40 | nhuisman_ | checking that out |
| 23:26.46 | d-b | oh um... nhuisman_ that doesn't work i tried it a few days ago. |
| 23:26.55 | nhuisman_ | i just read a guide on how to do it |
| 23:26.59 | amphi | nhuisman_: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 23:26.59 | nhuisman_ | it's just time consuming |
| 23:27.07 | d-b | i used ext2, you hit sector endings and it dies. |
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| 23:27.13 | iRRVi | its sad cause i need a kernel greater or equal to 2.6.27...and debian comes with 2.6.26 |
| 23:27.18 | amphi | nhuisman_: oh, I misunderstood |
| 23:27.22 | d-b | if you wanted to install onto the disk and is a small flash one. -> if its an external one its fine. |
| 23:27.26 | ajcc | nhuisman_: the more you complain about it, the more time you lose |
| 23:27.30 | d-b | as in with a real hard disk that should be fine. |
| 23:27.31 | nhuisman_ | ajcc, yeah :) |
| 23:27.51 | nhuisman_ | d-b, yeah that was a standard install, the other way is a longer method. |
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| 23:33.46 | iRRVi | all i want is wifi |
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| 23:33.48 | iRRVi | /cry |
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| 23:39.59 | enouf | iRRVi stop whining - it's cake |
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| 23:40.23 | neoalex | hi, does debian have any type of standby after a certain amount of time of inactivity, I came home today and found my server in standby |
| 23:41.00 | enouf | we all do |
| 23:41.12 | nkuttler | neoalex: that shouldn't happen unless you configure it |
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| 23:41.27 | enouf | depends |
| 23:41.30 | amphi | enouf: cake? ;) |
| 23:41.37 | peterrooney | neoalex: did you install -any- desktop use-case packages? |
| 23:41.45 | enouf | amphi: yes, cake ;-) |
| 23:41.50 | nkuttler | oh yeah, desktop stuff.. |
| 23:41.55 | amphi | ok... |
| 23:42.02 | nkuttler | but he said server :) |
| 23:42.13 | neoalex | none that I remember unless they were depndencies |
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| 23:42.35 | neoalex | let me see /var/log/messages if there's anything relevant there |
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| 23:44.02 | neoalex | Feb 26 05:21:26 AlexServer -- MARK -- |
| 23:44.03 | neoalex | Feb 26 18:22:54 AlexServer syslogd 1.5.0#5: restart. |
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| 23:45.09 | neoalex | nothing since 5 AM and 18:22 when I rebooted |
| 23:46.11 | neoalex | I'm not entirely sure it was standby either, the power light was blinking but I couldn't just turn it back on, I had to turn it off then on |
| 23:46.35 | enouf | turn it off == cold reboot / reset ? |
| 23:47.34 | neoalex | yes, well actually I held the power button for 10 seconds then powered it back on |
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| 23:49.45 | nkuttler | neoalex: hmm, doesn't sound very good |
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| 23:51.18 | neoalex | any logs with system temps |
| 23:51.23 | neoalex | I use hwmon |
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| 23:52.11 | neoalex | oh, wait, I see it... CPU FAN 0 RPM... that would do it |
| 23:52.48 | rgr | I had some problems with exim4 config files so uninstalled it an removed /etc/exim4. The reinstall has not recreated /etc/exim4. Why not? |
| 23:53.51 | nkuttler | !tell rgr about confmiss |
| 23:54.13 | enouf | that's not a PM, nor suspend, nor hibernate issue |
| 23:54.43 | nkuttler | if the fan went off the cpu could have overheated |
| 23:54.44 | rgr | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 23:57.05 | rgr | unfortunately that confmiss option didnt reinstall them either. |
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| 23:57.25 | JyZyXEL | i did "useradd foobar" how do i allow him to run X applications on screen 0 |
| 23:58.14 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: inside a different's user x? |
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| 23:58.31 | jspiros | polls for good VPS and dedicated providers for serious sites |
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| 23:58.41 | enouf | JyZyXEL: your useradd options sucked |
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| 23:59.09 | JyZyXEL | nkuttler yea |
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| 23:59.12 | themill | dpkg: tell JyZyXEL about sux |
| 23:59.14 | rgr | Anyone? How to get my /etc/exim4 directory back? The following did not work :apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install exim4 |
| 23:59.38 | \amethyst | rgr: the config files are in exim4-config not exim4 |
| 23:59.47 | rgr | aha! of course. thanks |
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| 23:59.50 | \amethyst | rgr: so that's the package you'll have to reinstall |
| 23:59.55 | enouf | try dpkg-reconfigure |
