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00:00.39dpkgrgr: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config  # run it as root
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00:01.45themillJyZyXEL: you suck at reading man pages then
00:02.02sigiusAs I could find a #GPL I thought I'd ask here: I'f I sell a person a device with GPL software inside I need to make available this software to the buyer.  Now what if I rent the device, instead of sell it (I remain owner of the device) do I still need to make the software available ??
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00:02.28nkuttlersigius: ask a lawyer
00:03.19enoufJyZyXEL: when you use useradd, and don't specify, -a and -G for append and groups and don't specify shell you end up with /bin/sh, not /bin/bash
00:03.52enoufJyZyXEL: and you obviously haven't seen /etc/default/useradd
00:04.18enoufJyZyXEL: tey adduser instead :-)
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00:05.01beeredIs netmask address for 172.16.0.1 same as for 10.0.0.1 networks (255.255.255.0)?
00:05.36beeredIs netmask address for 172.16.0.1 same as for 10.0.0.1 networks (255.255.255.0)?
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00:05.51nkuttlerbeered: um, read about netmasks and subnets.
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00:06.08JyZyXELoh lol
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00:09.11kingsleyIs there a better pdf reader for iceweasel than Adobe's' acroread?
00:09.14Mox`why can't I install my new kernel? I get this error http://paste-it.net/public/j6e2e8c/ - what to do?
00:10.04enoufkingsley: yes, but not for p2 era machines
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00:10.39kingsleyenouf: What's the better reader?
00:10.43enoufkpdf, xpdf, evince ...
00:10.48nkuttlerkingsley: define better. xpdf is nice
00:10.53DaSkreechokular!
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00:11.54DaSkreecha magnetic needle and a steady hand
00:11.56enoufkingsley: adobe reader 4.0 on win98 was the fastest shit you'll ever see
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00:12.17kingsleynkuttler: In my case, I'd prefer a reader that doesn't have a certain Adobe bug. Do you happen to know if iceweasel can be configured to use xdpf? I like it too.
00:12.25DaSkreechadobe reader in general is pretty fast
00:12.36enoufkingsley: after that? all bloat - all ie5 crap -- all shit
00:12.40nhuisman_adobe acrobat isn't
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00:12.49craigevil-eeeadobe reader is full of security holes
00:12.52DaSkreechacrobat I've never used
00:12.54nkuttleradobe crashes all the time for me
00:13.02DaSkreechreader is pretty fast once you delete the plugins directory
00:13.10nhuisman_there are tons of pdf readers for linux
00:13.14DaSkreechnot >quite< as fast as foxit
00:13.15nhuisman_what about evince
00:13.16craigevil-eeekingsley:  easiest way is to use the pdfdownload extension then you can use any pdf reader
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00:13.32themillcraigevil-eee: why do you need an extension for that?
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00:13.56kingsleynkuttler: In my case, nhuisman_ Do you happen to know if iceweasel can be configured to use any of the other pdf readers?
00:13.58craigevil-eeegives you the option to open,download or convert to html
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00:14.13nhuisman_kingsley, you mean like as a plugin?
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00:14.19DaSkreechAnyone setup captive portlas before ?
00:14.22nhuisman_or just when you click a pdf it opens with that app
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00:14.35kingsleynhuisman_: Yes.
00:14.58themillcraigevil-eee: right... I think I'll stick to it just opening in kpdf then and if I want to save it somewhere, I can do it from kpdf just as easily.
00:14.58nhuisman_isn't that just whatever your gnome/kde is configured for that file extension
00:15.03nhuisman_it will open with
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00:15.39kingsleynhuisman_: That may be, but I don't use gnome or kde. I'd need to configure iceweasel.
00:15.40craigevil-eeenhuisman_:  wouldnt know i use lxde, and evince-gtk for pdf
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00:16.03DaSkreechwhat is lxde written in ?
00:16.15DaSkreechxlibs ?
00:16.21azeemDaSkreech: ldd it
00:16.27kingsleycraigevil-eee: Can you elaborate on what the pdfdownload extension is?
00:16.30nhuisman_kingsley, so what window manager do you use
00:16.34DaSkreechazeem: when?
00:16.41azeem?
00:16.42kingsleynhuisman_: fvwm
00:16.53DaSkreechazeem: Ah ldd it
00:17.01DaSkreechazeem: I read it as I did it
00:17.10DaSkreechI asked if anyone had setup a captive portal
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00:18.37kingsleycraigevil-eee: I think I found it.
00:18.46craigevil-eeekingsley: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/636
00:18.58rgrDamn it to hell and back. 4 hours battling withe exim4 only to realise I had accidentally deleted an alias in /etc/alises so all new incoming emails were being stored in a non existent accounts Maildir as opposed to my man users Maildir. Groan.
00:19.03kingsleycraigevil-eee: Right
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00:19.34craigevil-eeealthough all you should need to do is open  iceweasel, and under Applications set pdfto whatever app you want it to use
00:19.36kingsleycraigevil-eee: Do you use pdfdownload? If so, how do you like it?
00:20.15craigevil-eeei do because most of the time i just want to download a pdf not open it
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00:26.59Alcapcan anyone tell me the current version of kde in squeeze?
00:27.38azeem_Alcap: packages.debian.org/kdebase
00:27.39themillAlcap: http://packages.debian.org/
00:28.03themillAlcap: or /msg dpkg kde version
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00:30.08duke_rarhow can one set up soundcard support later if it wasn't installed at the base system?
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00:31.56amphiduke_rar: try running alsaconf as root
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00:34.57ninjaslimdo you guys have recommendations for cad software?
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00:36.06tra3_is anyone aware of any friendly QoS solutions (besides wondershaper)?
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00:36.15duke_raramphi: i gave it a try but the gnome mixer and sound settings don't see the device
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00:37.50ricochetwhere might I find information on what this means/ how to fix it?  /usr/bin/kate: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv
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00:38.13lostsonricochet: ask in #qt or #kde
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00:38.28ricochetlostson: ok thanks
00:38.59lunaphytehow can i tell apt-get to stop harassing me about a particular package that has missing dependencies?
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00:40.01caretalunaphyte de-install the offending package?
00:40.26themillninjaslim: I used qcad a bit. It's a little quirky but fine for 2D work once you get used to it.
00:40.43themilllunaphyte: or install the dependency
00:41.11lunaphytecareta: i want the package installed, but i don't care about the retarded dependencies.
00:41.36amphiduke_rar: does alsamixer see it in a term?
00:41.42\amethystlunaphyte:  use equivs to make fake a fake package that provides the dependencies
00:42.12amphi!tell duke_rar -about alsa checklist
00:42.20\amethystlunaphyte:  you'll also have to make a separate fake package (with the right version) for each versioned dependency
00:42.29duke_rarlunaphyte: try aptitude and choose your solution
00:42.35DaSkreechlunaphyte: --ignore-recommends ?
00:42.46\amethystlunaphyte:  what is the package (and dependencies) in question?
00:43.40caretai have a problem - for some days now the debian updater in gnome has a warning sign tray icon saying "The update information is outdated. This may be caused by network problems. Please update manually bla bla". ive done aptitude update and safe-upgrade several times, as well as updating within the update manager... any ideas?
00:44.04lunaphyte\amethyst: avg75fld - wants python-gtk2 and python-glade2.
00:44.56\amethystlunaphyte:  oh, they put the GUI and the command-line stuff in the same package?
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00:45.05lunaphyteyeah, unfortunately.
00:45.16themilllunaphyte: we have a cluebat you can borrow
00:45.16\amethystlunaphyte: I would say to file a wishlist bug, but it's proprietary so...
00:45.19duke_raramphi: alsamixer complains: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
00:45.49lunaphyterather - i haven't been able to find a package that omits the gui components.
00:45.59lunaphyte\amethyst: yeah, no doubt.
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00:49.44lunaphytebah.  stupid apt-get won't let me install equivs because it's not happy about avg.  what a big stupid pain in the ass.
00:51.03amphiduke_rar: what does alsaconf say?
00:51.05duke_rarseveral days ago i had issues with libc.. all dependencies were broken.. aptitude still was able to fix it
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00:51.58duke_raramphi: it found a snd-mpu401 and tells me that everything is fine..
00:52.56amphiduke_rar: what is the card?
00:53.12amphilspci | grep Audio
00:54.19duke_raramphi: no output for that
00:54.52Mox`isn't it possible to compile a kernel and make a initrd without module support?
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00:55.27amphiduke_rar: well, what is the sound card?
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00:56.04duke_raramphi: it's just onboard sound
00:56.47amphiyou don't see it in lspci output?
00:56.53Quicken2kis there an easy way to get a debian dvd?
00:57.48\amethystjpinx:  udevadm monitor  perhaps
00:57.57duke_raramphi: it's not there. i just checked the command on another machine and there i get output.. but in this case.. no output
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00:59.34\amethystjpinx:  adding --environment to the end will give you more info
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01:00.25duke_raramphi: i vaguely remember the question of the installer long time ago.. when it asked for soundcard support and i didn't enable it. :( it should show me the devices that are in the machine anyways..
01:01.51amphiduke_rar: is it an old machine? perhaps it's an isa card?
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01:02.13jpinx\amethyst: lsusb --environment is an unrecognised option
01:03.04duke_raramphi: no isa card. its a shuttle mainboard with some kind of VIA onboard chipset for the sound stuff which should work with linux since i remember it working some years ago
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01:05.46duke_raramphi: well, thanks for your help. i'll try something sometime.. it's getting late here.
01:05.57jpinxlsusb -v lists the physical device by makers name , but it doesn't appear be listed in /dev/sd? - any ideas how I can get it listed so that I can fdisk it - or maybe dd it?
01:06.09enoufduke_rar: using kde?
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01:06.34duke_rarenouf: not in this case. would you suggest something?
01:06.45enoufgnome?
01:06.54enoufshalll i list all of them?
01:07.00duke_rareno
01:07.08duke_rarenouf: gnome
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01:08.06enoufsystem > preferences > preferred devices  (or sound)
01:08.45enoufinstall alsa-oss, and /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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01:11.06Mox`Do I still need to make initrd for my new kernel if the kernel have been compiled without module support?
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01:11.20Vinterboundis it normal that there hasn't been updates (through the update manager) for debian lenny since it was released? (the stable version)
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01:12.16themillVinterbound: there shouldn't be anything left to fix! /msg dpkg dsa
01:12.19d-bVinterbound: yes, it is stable... however a few have been.
01:12.24d-bi think
01:12.44d-b(python-crypto etc.)
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01:14.10duke_rarenouf: i installed arts also and tried some things but for now i can't find the solution. i might have to reboot and check the bios since the dev does not even show up in lspci
01:14.20Vinterboundwow, it's very stable then :) for other OS'es there's usually updates
01:14.34duke_rarthanks for now, cu all
01:15.16themolesterVinterbound stable is sometimes nicknamed the 'stale' distribution
01:15.20foetussorry -- is there a way for creating deb-packages from source without checkinstall, but similar method?
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01:15.35themolesterit pretty much stays static minus security updates
01:15.57Vinterboundok thanks for the info :)
01:15.59themolesterif you have a machine that you want to have routine updates for new features/functions... you want 'testing'
01:16.19themolestertesting GENERALLY works (honestly... almost always, but nothing is guaranteed)
01:16.42themolesterbut stable is tested far more extensively (months/years) :)
01:17.12Vinterboundi think stable is fine for me. my internet connection is too slow to handle frequent updates
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01:17.32Vinterboundas long as it is doing what i want right now
01:17.37foetustesting is not recommended for servers
01:18.03themolestertrue
01:18.50themolesterpeople wondering why there havn't been updates probably aren't running anything that's mission critical... but your right, i shouldn't assume
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01:20.08Vinterboundyou're right, i'm not running a server or something, i just use it for programming, browsing, music and irc mostly
01:21.16themolestertesting is pretty darn stable imho
01:21.45themolesterand I run it on my servers, but I also don't run any servers that process nuclear launch codes
01:21.47themolester:)
01:21.53themolesterif they go down for 5 minutes...
01:21.59themolesternobody gets nuked
01:22.22foetuscurrently i use oldstable, and apply newer apps on it, includes kernel sources
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01:22.46foetusit runs like a rocket..
01:23.17dkroldstable gets no security updates after a year, though
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01:23.59foetusthere is no need, i think
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01:24.30themolesternot at LEAST having security updates is asking for trouble down the road
01:24.39MoarPloxHey, can anyone help me out with an issue I am having real quick? I kinda just nuked my install  Forum thread is here, the more brains working on it the better! http://is.gd/l2s9
01:24.46themolestersure, upgrading to something untested could have a bug, but then i'm going to fix it first too
01:25.28themolesterthat url looks pretty UNsafe
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01:25.49themolesterwhy use a redirect for a forum post
01:25.56MoarPloxits like a mile long :S
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01:26.15MoarPloxsorry about that guys
01:26.29themolesterya, well the mile long url might be looked at by more people... i wouldn't click it, only open it in lynx
01:26.31themolester:)
01:26.33theholyduckfoetus, i prefer the good old running sid and compiling all the packages sid DOESNT give you up to date
01:26.36themolesteror notepad
01:26.37theholyduckby yourself
01:26.37themolester:)
01:26.38theholyduckapproach
01:26.59theholyduckand since sid is inherently a bit broken. it doesnt matter if a flaunt all established packaging guidelines
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01:27.51themolestertheholyduck I ran sid for a while... but fixing all the broken dependencies became tedious
01:27.56themolestertesting is fast enough
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01:28.07theholyduckthemolester, hmm. its like once a month
01:28.14theholyducki didnt really have a problem with sid and breaking
01:28.39theholyduckand it feels more right to compile svn packages that dosent use --enable-shared when doing it on a allready unstable system
01:28.46theholyduckthen on something the developers put a bit of tought into
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01:28.58elikI have 2 lenny computers side by side, an old laptop and a new desktop. On the new desktop, whenever a console redraw (be it XFCE terminal emulator or Gnome-Terminal), Xorg freezes for a second, hogging one of my processor. It happens on desktop switch and window restoration (after minimize)
01:29.21themolesterwell the thing with unstable is ... well, unstable doesn't mean its always broke, or always broke the same amount
01:29.24foetuscurrently the kernel is stable like a rock, but older then the hills..so i apply a new one
01:29.41themolesterwhen i had all my dependency problems it coulda been a couple months of extensive updates
01:29.51themolesteror... different programs
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01:30.26themolesterbut it was all the time for a few months, eventually when i moved the server, it got switched with testing... i've been happy ever since
01:30.34theholyduckelik, no 2d accelration?
01:30.37theholyduckwhat graphics card?
01:30.45goauldelik: install video drivers, configure xorg.conf enable renderaccel=true in xorg.conf
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01:30.59theholyduckgoauld, well some cards doesnt even HAVE 2d accelration yet.
01:31.05theholyduckr700 ones with radeonhd for example
01:31.13theholyduckor maybe they got it now?
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01:33.07goauldi dont know i assume noobism always, as power users here showed me
01:34.30theholyduckgoauld, ditto. but some cards dont have 2d accel no matter what
01:34.38theholyduckthus might aswell figure out what card he has
01:34.41theholyduckthus if he can be helped
01:35.19maxagazfor a switch, how does the Gi of 'Gi3/4' mean ?
01:35.32maxagazs/how/what
01:36.04goauldhm he doesnt ask anymore, maybe he's chacking xorg.coonf
01:36.26goauldmy fast response is working in progress
01:36.47foetussame old problem -- the shaders are used for basic functions of the card, and without card drivers the 3d-board goes up like an old trident-winaccelerator card in the early 90's..
01:37.20goauldooh those were times...
01:37.26goauldgood times
01:37.34goauldlol
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01:38.12foetus1mb videoram :)
01:38.26themolesterdon't knock the old 1M trident cards
01:38.36themolesterI just fixed a buddies pc a few days ago with one
01:38.44themolesterhig big badass 2000 dollar rig
01:39.08themolesterhe had a failed bios update... it failed to boot with his pci-ex card in
01:39.20foetusvery dusty, maybe
01:39.21themolesterso I tried the only available pci card I could find... a 1MB trident
01:39.22themolesterlol
01:39.53themolesterthen we loaded the failed bios again (and worked) slapped his card back in... and he saved 30-40 bucks or so buying a new bios chip
01:39.59foetusyou need a hoover and a pencil :)
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01:40.49themolesterhell... i got 3 servers here with no onboard video... running on <4M trident and s3 cards
01:41.01themolesterthose damn things just REFUSE to die
01:41.05foetusnow the hoover sits into the case
01:41.30foetuswith gigs of videoram
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01:42.26goauldlooks like today's video cards lost the "vitality" of the old ones
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01:42.49cloudsynthwhat does installation priority do?
01:42.53themolesterya... those trident/s3s must be over 15 years old
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01:43.22themolesteri've had more than one card go during that time, which were bought a lot more recently than those
01:43.22skoranyone know the command to show current Mbps on an interface ?
01:43.33themolesterskor ethtool i believe
01:43.34skorI thought you could do it with netstat but I'm not seeing the option
01:43.37themolestergotta apt-get it
01:43.41skorahh thanks i'll try it
01:44.18cloudsynthwhat's the priority boot option do in a netboot?
01:44.40foetusiftop
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01:52.09skoriftop, perfect
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01:54.18mfrischanyone installed on a palm before...is it possible?
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01:56.00foetusmy swiss knife is iptraf, its like a lanstation console..pretty blue
01:56.10bpundoes lenny have a kernel-headers package? (i'm not sure if i'm missing something in myrepo setting file)
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01:59.17skoriptraf wins
01:59.18bpuncan someone show me their repo list? i built mine from netinst
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01:59.59bpunnmind
02:00.12theholyduckbpun, its linux-headers
02:00.14theholyduckor whatever
02:00.23bpunapt-cache search linux-headers shows something :) -- apt-cache search headers doesnt :(
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02:00.25bpunstrange..
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02:04.02rhysI fear I am lacking instruction in the "debian way." Could someone give me merely the name of the system that recompiles a debian kernel and makes a package of it?
02:04.50Tramp!tell rhys about kp
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02:05.39rhysright, I forgot. in #debian the bot is omnipotent and it is just a matter of sicking the bot on users. :D Thank you very much tramp.
02:06.02Trampyw
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02:06.53rhyshehe. I'm sorry, #debian, and the debian distro in general has always amused me.
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02:09.21maxagazis it possible to manage html with jabber ?
02:09.30linuxguy!seen h2
02:09.30dpkgh2 <~h2@c-76-103-131-228.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 6h 19m 18s ago, saying: 'looks like these are known and unfixed bugs for years now, so I guess the question is, when you get these types of errors, in approx, how can you work around them? It looks like approx is in fact not at all a working proxy, and fails when multiple systems'.
02:09.54linuxguy!seen craigevil
02:09.56dpkgcraigevil <n=craigevi@adsl-76-249-18-223.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8h 37m 27s ago, saying: 'bioe007:  8gb is way more than enough, my install on my eee is only 1,4gb'.
02:10.21Tramplinuxguy: please /msg the bot
02:10.55skor!seen dpkg
02:10.56dpkgskor: i haven't seen 'dpkg'
02:11.00skor:)
02:11.08rhysapparently there are no mirrors in #debian
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02:15.47enouf!ping
02:15.48dpkgpong
02:16.34enoufdpkg: where were you?
02:16.35dpkgI was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE!
02:16.51Goat25Ping reply from enouf: 0.44 second(s)
02:17.29rhysyou're kidding.
02:17.30enouf!nickometer Goat25
02:17.32dpkg'Goat25' is 22.000% lame, enouf
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02:18.22Goat25wtf is nickometer
02:18.30rhys<< 00.000% lame. :)
02:18.36linuxguyhow do i mesage the bot....ive just been asked to
02:18.41jaggzI can't figure out how to add an entry to Konqueror's Main context menu.. I want to add "Edit with vim" there
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02:18.56rhyslinuxguy: /msg dpkg foobar?
02:19.38linuxguy!ping
02:19.38dpkgpong
02:19.55jaggzanyone know?  can it be done with text files or do I have to compile up a plugin?
02:19.58linuxguy!ping enouf
02:19.58dpkgtolls a 5-meter-bell over enouf's head
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02:20.08jaggzthe Actions submenu can easily enough be modified with just .desktop files
02:20.08linuxguylol sorry
02:20.08rhyslinuxguy: now type into the same bar, /msg dpkg ping
02:20.10enouflinuxguy: /msg dpkg msgthebot
02:20.32linuxguy<PROTECTED>
02:20.45enouf...
02:20.46rhys.... your client sucks?
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02:21.05rhysmaybe it responds to /pm
02:21.06linuxguyrhys you mean my isp?
02:21.15rhyslinuxguy: no I mean your IRC client
02:21.52linuxguyrhys, im using xchat here
02:22.14enoufdo NOT pm me
02:22.26rhysthen that should work. the text input bar in xchat should accept input.
02:22.44rhysenouf: I am curious, why do some people hate PMs so much?
02:22.46jaggznoone knows huh.. damn
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02:23.05rhysjaggz: you want to "manage" html with jabber? what does that eve mean?
02:23.32rhysjaggz: jabber is XMPP, which is a protocol. The client would manage any HTML input, not the protocol.
02:24.08enoufrhys: "unsolicted" ones - noboby learns that way
02:24.29rhysah. You mean the matter of taking it out main channel. I understand.
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02:25.10mio_anyone had trouble installing the bootloader in the new lenny installer? it will simply not install
02:25.11enouf!netiquette
02:25.11dpkgit has been said that netiquette is a set of guidelines that makes the people on the Internet live together in peace and harmony, well, at least in theory, or at http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/netiquette.html, or found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/rfc/rfc1855.txt
02:25.24mio_tried both grub and lilo, it says failed at grub-installer
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02:25.50rhysInteresting kernel option: Block layer data integrity support (BLK_DEV_INTEGRITY)
02:26.57jaggzrhys: you realize you aren't talking to me right?
02:27.49amphirhys: "Block layer data integrity"? pfft, who needs it?
02:27.55rhysjaggz: I'm sorry. Wrong person.
02:27.59Mouseywhy can't i mmap /dev/kmem
02:28.01Mousey?
02:28.11Mousey...but i can lseek and read it?
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02:28.18linuxguyggrr at this now........ive enjoyed lenny a lot this past week or so, nice res, got all my app i need on, and now its decided it doesnt want to work at the res i need, ive never seen hat before!
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02:29.15rhysamphi: I'm assuming this is a system similar to the one in ZFS that got alot of attention?
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02:30.27rhysenouf: I use the same ettiquette online that I use in real life, and find it slightly amusing there is a RFC for this.
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02:30.50amphirhys: dunno
02:31.00enoufgo tell someone that cares
02:32.58elikgoauld, hum, sorry... I realized my computer had a few hickups today, and I had another session open.. turns out the other session was the issue.. as for renderaccel.. I don't have it in xorg.conf, but I installed my driver and had decent fps with the gears stuff (can't remember the utility name)
02:33.18rhyssigh. Also something to remember most ops in #debian are assholes to one degree or another.
02:33.26eliktheholyduck, you as well ^
02:34.00goauldits good to know u fixed it
02:34.01elikrhys, often to compensate users' stupidity :P
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02:34.12enoufi'm not an op, but you're still a bozo
02:34.41elikgoauld, yeah.. just though it sucked to ask something and never come back :P
02:34.42dkrrhys: calling people 'assholes' is your form of etiquette?  therein lies your problem.
02:35.20enoufanybody have a debian related Q?
02:35.26rhysdkr: I said I keep the same as I do in real life. So yes, i would say that.
02:35.53elikrhys, then, from now on, you can go on saying you have no etiquette...
02:36.01amphiwhy is debain so old???
02:36.14elikamphi, debian is not old
02:36.29amphielik: I just tease enouf
02:36.41elikI figured out just after :)
02:36.50elikI pressed enter
02:37.00maxagazhow to send html formatted text with jabber ?
02:37.02elikMaybe enough can elaborate on the subject
02:37.31rhyselik: I looked up the definition of "ettiquete." I agree. I keep my own codes of behavior, not societies.
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02:37.41rhysmaxagaz: depends on your client.
02:37.43dkrmaxagaz: put it on a web page and IM the person the URL with jabber, :)
02:38.41maxagazrhys, pidgin
02:38.49elikrhys, http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=define%3Aetiquette&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
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02:39.08elikrhys, and it takes 1 t, not 2
02:39.21dkrrhys: that will end the first time you get punched.  You will then realize that you can not simply ignore society's rules of behavior. ;)
02:39.29elikrhys, read the princeton definition
02:40.02elikrhys, if you had your society.. maybe you could tell ppl to gft and that would be in the etiquette
02:40.46rhys:D And until they make that knife that can stab people in the face across the Internet, I cannot get punched. (Mind you, I don't get punched in real life either.) And elik, its people, not ppl.
02:41.04dkrrhys: s/its/it's/
02:41.14amphiheh
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02:41.26elikwhat dkr said
02:41.48elikwe could put that on failblog maybe
02:41.52elik:P
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02:42.03rhysargument against meaningless corrections of grammar and spelling beyond what is necessary for comprehension: signal to noise ratio.
02:42.14dkrwe should come up with an official internet rule number for making obvious grammatical or spelling mistakes when you are correcting others. :)
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02:42.40amphi!qotd12
02:42.41dpkg<thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun  <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis
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02:42.59elikrhys, wtf, you tell me a contraction is wrong, but a homonym mistake is ok... c'mon, you gotta be kidding
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02:43.47rhysdkr: Don't be a tool about it? it's just short of ad hominems. and elik: "elik: rhys, and it takes 1 t, not 2"
02:44.20sezoomhow to change Next authentication method in openssh to use kerberos ticket
02:45.01elikrhys, sorry, etiquette is french.. can't help it :P
02:45.02dkrrhys: don't read insult into things that are not insulting.  you'll get a lot further in life.
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02:46.31rhyspfft. I don't take insult, I just think unless a typo somehow detracts from the understandability of a statement it should not be corrected, because the noise of the correction is as harmful if not more than the error itself.
02:47.02elikrhys, it is, not it's
02:47.16elikrhys, for comprehension sake...
02:47.43elikrhys, is there something you don't get in ppl?
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02:48.00dkrelik: let's just drop it, he's obviously just trying to be difficult
02:48.12rhyselik: that is one of my most common errors. and you don't see that apostrophe, or you don't speak english naively.
02:48.16amphiparts per litre ?
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02:48.26rhysppl makes perfect sense, I was just responding in kind.
02:48.36elikdkr, yeah... I can understand incoherence, but at that level, it's called trolling I think :P
02:48.37dkrI speak english naively all the time
02:48.56rhysnaively indeed.
02:48.58rhys:D
02:49.09elikrhys, responding in kind? I didn't correct you
02:49.21rhyssigh. yea, this is madness.
02:49.26rhyssorry.
02:49.52b1n42yGUI partitioning which program to install?
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02:49.59dkrgparted
02:50.06b1n42yta
02:50.37elikrhys, mah, anway, that was fun :)
02:50.55dkr"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day."
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02:51.42elikWhat's the rule about ending up discussing about Hitler?
02:51.49dkrGodwin's law
02:52.03elikright
02:52.10elikAt least it didn't end up that way
02:52.13amphiand then there's Ashcroft's Corollary to Godwin's Law
02:52.27rhyswhich is?
02:52.47elikrhys, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law
02:53.09rhysI know Godwins, I mean ashcroft's
02:53.15elikoh, kk
02:53.32amphi"As a debate proceeds, the probability that one or more parties will be accused of being or supporting terrorists will approach 1."
02:53.54elikdifferent flavor
02:54.07rhysYea. I mentioned Hackaday the other day and got called a terrorist. Terrorists! The new hitler!
02:54.09elikI guess during cold war it was communist
02:54.18rhysI personally have a problem with Poe's law a lot too.
02:54.50amphiyou're accused of being a raven?
02:55.38rhyshttp://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law
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02:57.03amphiinteresting - there seems to be much these days that defies parody
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02:57.58rhysSo question about debian, how do I enable a full framebuffer? the video=vesafb with modesettings seems to be ignored
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02:58.22rhysvga=799 also is an unknown mode. Does anyone know of a way to find supported framebuffer modes?
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03:00.11amphiis that a widescreen mode?
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03:01.08maxagazcan i see the ip and the port of the switch my computer is connected to ?
03:01.09rhysnope, 1600x1200-32@70
03:01.27brad_xwhy does mysql-server-4.1 install mysql-server-5.0
03:02.59rhysoo. this is useful. hwinfo --framebuffer | grep Mode
03:03.08dkrmaxagaz: do you mean server? (rather than switch)
03:03.23maxagazdkr, yes
03:03.39dkrmaxagaz: netstat can show you
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03:05.26rhysoh wootage.
03:05.36rhysvga=840 works. 1400x1050@32
03:05.38rhys:D
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03:07.15maxagazdkr, it's in the first section returned by netstat ?
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03:07.35enoufhttp://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-bios-extensions?cat=technology#Other_commonly_available_modes
03:07.43Valkyrjanight
03:08.18maxagazhow to get the numeric ip of an url ?
03:08.52dkrmaxagaz: yeah, Active Internet connections
03:08.56dkrmaxagaz: netsta -n  to avoid the dns lookup
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03:09.23rhysmaxagaz: nslookup? dig?
03:13.53brad_xif I want to upgrade from 686 to amd64, do I have to reinstall the whole system ?
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03:16.22jwatzmanis there any way to reset a package's default configuration, just as a purge-resintall would do, but without uninstaling the package? man dpkg, dpkg-reconfigure, and google have been unhelpful.
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03:22.58Ace2017_-does this mean that my hdd is dieing?  [349542.132068] FAT: Directory bread(block 520) failed
03:23.04Ace2017_-i have lots of those in dmesg :(
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03:32.36goauldAce2017_-: do this as root:   cat /var/log/* | grep error | grep sector
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03:34.02goauldAce2017_-: 2019 if there is "bad" sectors, i recommend you back up everything and then you could try to use the "badsectors" utility,
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03:34.15goauldand yes probably your disk is dieng
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03:35.55goauldi got bad sectors too 4 days ago, scanned whole disk finding them
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03:36.17goauldsome got corrected, some others was impossible to fix and was rendering the disk useless
03:36.31bbelt16aghey how do i get  adobe flash on a  54 bit arch
03:36.36bbelt16ager 64
03:37.27goauldbest utility to fix disks out there
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03:37.58goaulda bootable msdos cd with a utility, its name is mhdd. its THE BEST.
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03:39.00comradekingubbelt16ag: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_Flash_on_Arch64
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03:39.13goauldi used it 2 days ago, and then i could figure out a way around those "uncorrectable bad sectors"
03:39.18damentzhey everyone
03:39.34damentzi have a question about building kernels in a chroot
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03:39.52damentzi'm able to actually build one, but how do you go about creating the modules for the kernel in a chroot
03:40.01comradekingubbelt16ag: This isnt the arch gnu/linux irc, check out http://www.archlinux.org/irc/
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03:40.33Ace2017_-goauld: sudo cat `find /var/log/`|grep rror|grep ector did not find any errors
03:41.09comradekingubbelt16ag: #archlinux64 on freenode    --> x86_64 specific discussion channel, mostly in English
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03:41.50goauldthen its another issue, and ur disk is not dyeing :)
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03:43.34esaymAw man, I think this bug is still active: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500309
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03:43.59esaymbecause I just build a raid5 array and I can't add the 3rd drive even though it is identical to the others
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03:44.26brad_xwhy does mysql-4 install mysql 5 ?
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03:45.21brad_xif I upgrade from etch to lenny can I go from 686 to amd64 at the same time ?
03:46.05flourishbrad_x: sounds interesting:-)
03:47.47Ace2017_-brad_x: i think that would need a reinstall
03:47.55esaymsomething aint right: http://pastie.org/401746 :(
03:48.01brad_xwill a reinstall break my lvn or raid ?
03:48.21esaymbrad_x:  it is easier to reinstall
03:48.40esaymbrad_x:  hmm good question
03:49.13esaymbrad_x: I don't think so.  You can select existing arrays from the installer menu
03:49.15brad_xthe debian installer should find the raid at least yes ?
03:49.31esaymyou might want to install debian in virtual box and play around with the installer
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03:50.09brad_xnow I'm using pae, but I would like a full 64system
03:50.49brad_xwhat's up with mysql-4 ? it's mostly empty and installs mysql 5
03:50.59pickcoderbrad_x: you need to reinstall to change archs
03:51.28pickcoderbrad_x: the 4 stuff is probably backwards compat for packages that didn't swtich
03:51.52brad_x5 is not working with my software
03:53.23esaymso anyway to force a drive into an array?
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03:57.11damentzaaggghhh
03:57.12damentzi need help!
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03:57.22damentzhow do i set the kernel in a chroot environment?
03:57.30damentzi need to build kernel modules but it thinks i'm using my host kernel
03:57.40damentz(sid)root@damentz64:/# ls -hl vmlinuz
03:57.40damentzlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 Feb 27 03:47 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-7.lqx.4-liquorix-686
03:57.40damentz(sid)root@damentz64:/# uname -a
03:57.40damentzLinux damentz64 2.6.28-7.lqx.4-liquorix-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 26 15:33:46 CST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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03:58.20damentzanyone?
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04:11.12nkuttlerdamentz: chroot changes the root direcotry, not the kernel
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04:11.52damentzyes
04:12.09damentzi'm trying to build kernel modules with the sidux package
04:12.26damentzsome how slh builds i386 kernel modules fast in some automated way
04:12.28damentzand i can't figure it out
04:12.42damentzi get stuck with debuild failing in chroot for i386
04:13.08nkuttlerdamentz: sidux is off topic. you don't need to be running a kernel to build modules for it.
04:13.19damentzhmm
04:13.35damentzok so i'm in 64bit
04:13.45damentzand i have the 32bit packages and i have installed them in a chroot
04:13.48damentzso i have the image and the headers
04:13.53damentzas far as building i'm clueless now
04:13.57johnidamentz: I think there is an article on amazon ec2 about this
04:14.13johnidamentz: let me see if I can find it
04:14.21damentzok thanks
04:14.33damentzright now i'm trying to use this linux-support package which automates building a lot of modules
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04:14.56damentzbut it tries to tar some directory and fails to create a file
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04:17.06goauldsamplr: kill -9 pid
04:17.20nkuttlersamplr: kill the parent
04:17.31samplrgoauld: that didn't wor
04:17.39samplrnkuttler: I think the parent is dead, but I'll tripple check
04:17.39nkuttler-9 is kill..
04:17.45goauldthen kill the parent and the grandfather
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04:19.29johnidamentz: http://www.linuxconfig.org/Howto_CREATE_BUNDLE_UPLOAD_and_ACCESS_custom_Debian_AMI_using_ubuntu
04:19.48johnidamentz: I think that might be close to what you need
04:20.04damentzok, i'll take a look
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04:21.47johniany debian contributors around?
04:22.12damentzjohni, so basically create a loopback device?
04:22.45johniyeap, loopback and debootstrap
04:23.12damentzinteresting
04:23.13damentzlet me try that
04:23.24johnidamentz: those are the two main points
04:23.52damentzbut that is necessary to build kernel modules for a 32bit kernel on a 64bit host right?
04:24.33johniI do not understand your question
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04:25.03epaphushi there, how can I dump the current xorg.conf??
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04:25.43nkuttlerepaphus: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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04:25.51johniepaphus: what do you mean by "dump"? delete it from the disk, print it on screen or .... ?
04:25.55nkuttlerdamentz: what are you trying to do anyway?
04:26.01damentzi'm trying to build kernel modules packages using the linux-support package in sidux to create 32bit packages for the 32bit kernel
04:26.05damentzeverything works except that part
04:26.07epaphusjohn print it ons creen
04:26.07damentzi can build the kernel
04:26.11damentzit'll create the debs
04:26.24damentzi think i'm missing something with chrooting
04:26.33damentzor possibly i shouldn't even have to use a chroot environment
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04:26.44Tullyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rai9SiBRv50&feature=related
04:26.46damentzthe official debian kernel package uses something similar to this
04:26.56damentzi don't know if i'm even doing this right by using chroot to build the i386 kernel
04:27.04damentzor if it's all possible with one command
04:28.17epaphusjohni ..
04:28.18johnidamentz: what are going to do in the end with what you build?
04:28.31damentzhost the package on my repository
04:28.37damentzpackages*
04:28.39johniepaphus: what nkuttler said works well
04:29.03johniepaphus: <nkuttler> epaphus: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
04:29.05damentzbut i feel like i'm doing something wrong
04:29.56damentzthe debian/rules.real files includes things about cross compiling
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04:30.03damentzwhich makes me think that the chroot is not necessary
04:30.07epaphusjohni, i dont have xorg.conf there...  :( could it be somewhere else?
04:30.07johnido you have xorg installed ?
04:30.08johni:)
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04:30.54epaphusjohni xorg is required for X.. isnt it?
04:30.56newsense2man i am having a problem with X myself, i get no screens found in the log and get a black screen, nvidia onboard
04:31.01app4desepaphus: if you don't have xorg.conf you can create one with 'X -configure'
04:31.05newsense2fresh install
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04:34.24app4desnewsense2: try switching to the vesa driver
04:34.44johniany debian contributors around?
04:35.05newsense2app4des: yeah i just seen where it says it couldnt load the vesa driver in the log, thanks
04:35.34Xenguyjohni: if there are, they'll begin to pommel you unless you ask your real question ;-)
04:36.38johniXenguy: I would like to have a private conversation with one to run an idea by their ears (eyes) :)
04:37.19Xenguyjohni: have fun (I am not one :-)
04:37.46johniXenguy: ohh c'mon :(
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04:38.08johniXenguy: do you know any that might be around?
04:38.31Xenguyjohni: actually nope, just a regular guy, nothing special
04:38.40pl4yer0nea private conversation?
04:38.52pl4yer0nesounds like irc sex to me
04:38.55newsense2wow apt-file has a new ui showing some stats now i see
04:39.33johnipl4yer0ne: :( , trust me it is not
04:40.00pl4yer0netrust?  do you have a signed key?
04:40.29johnipl4yer0ne: nope
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04:40.56pl4yer0neThen no trust shall ye receive
04:41.02pl4yer0nethis is the internet after all
04:41.03johnipl4yer0ne: are you debian contributors ?
04:41.17pl4yer0nenope just annoying
04:42.01johnipl4yer0ne: ok...
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04:42.35johniso any real debian contributors around?
04:42.49pl4yer0nehey I never said I was one!
04:44.28johnipl4yer0ne: I noticed that
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04:48.44extorCan someone tell me why jbidwatcher was taken out of lenny?
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04:49.04newsense2i got X working with the vesa driver instead of the nv oe but now in kde i can't change resolutions
04:49.15extorNo maintainer it says...but did it ever have a maintainer?
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04:55.32streuner_extor: read the last lines about -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504279
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04:56.31extorstreuner_, read the first lines about --> 23-Feb-2009 1:15am PST —
04:56.31extorA bugfix release, JBidwatcher 2.0.1, is now available. http://www.jbidwatcher.com/
04:56.41newsense3i have an nvidia onboard gpu and i couldn't get x working until i used the vesa driver but now in kkde i cant change the resolution, where the different resolutionswould usually is blank, thanks
04:57.19streuner_extor: and?
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04:57.36extorAnd it's been addressed since 3 days at least.
04:57.43streuner_extor: just write this to the maint., not to me :-)
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05:03.00rhysSo there is problem in the current debian kernel, 2.6.26-1, the uvesab module is not not compiled in, so as a module, it does nothing
05:03.10rhysand I can't seem to find a newer kernel anywhere.
05:03.56CcSsNETkernel.org
05:04.44CcSsNETand whats the uvesab module do?
05:05.04CcSsNETuniversal vesa bus?
05:05.09CcSsNETguesing
05:05.26CcSsNETif so compiling a new kernel urself u can add it no issue
05:06.05rhysCcSsNET: making packages in debian is like pulling teeth to me
05:06.07CcSsNETi dont see why they would have a u before vesa though
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05:06.27rhysuvesa is the evolution of the vesafb-tng module
05:06.30CcSsNETyea everyone can complian
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05:06.38CcSsNETtheres no simple solution to any issue
05:06.39pl4yer0nePUB TIME!   later all.
05:07.22rhysCcSsNET: I run archlinux on everything else, whos packagers are plain retarded in comparison to debian packagers, but the Arch Build System + Pacman is so sweet
05:07.35CcSsNETi agrea
05:07.41CcSsNETarch is fast
05:07.50CcSsNETbut manager is nothing compared to apt
05:08.00CcSsNETmainly cuz the repo aint as large
05:08.09rhysi would disagree
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05:08.41rhysAUR. when a PKGBUILD can be made in 40 lines, for nearly any package, and then you simply "makepkg"
05:08.50rhysand all of a sudden, you have a package...
05:08.51CcSsNETgo install whowatch, snoopy, or ntop
05:08.53CcSsNETfrom arch
05:08.59CcSsNETsee if they exist
05:09.19rhysntop installing now
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05:09.28CcSsNETother 2 wont
05:09.30CcSsNET:P
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05:10.20rhysCcSsNET: you do use yaourt right?
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05:10.28dhananjaywhat is the name of next testing version?
05:10.29CcSsNETnah never tried it
05:10.44streuner_dhananjay: /msg dpkg testing
05:10.48CcSsNETi like apt tp much to switch to arch
05:10.50CcSsNETlol
05:10.50streuner_i cant spell :-)
05:11.05streuner_dpkg, testing
05:11.06dpkgtesting is, like, a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and given that lenny has only just been released, users of squeeze are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. <lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target>.
05:11.07dhananjayhow can i use kde4 in lenny
05:11.11rhyssnoopy is automatically compiling right now
05:11.21CcSsNETinteresting rhys
05:11.28rhysyaourt is pacman for the AUR
05:11.32rhysand...what was the other?
05:11.42CcSsNETwhowatch
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05:11.51CcSsNETbut point is ur compiling them
05:11.52CcSsNEThehe
05:11.57CcSsNETwhich is nice
05:11.57rhyswhowatch is sadly not in the repos.
05:12.00CcSsNETso i may look at it
05:12.06CcSsNETyea figures
05:12.09CcSsNETthats a good prog
05:12.09rhysbut I bet I can make a PKGBUILD in less than a half hour
05:12.30CcSsNETeh i may go gentoo lol
05:12.38CcSsNETi still <3 debian though
05:12.42CcSsNETdebian testing that is
05:12.50streuner_dhananjay: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html
05:12.52CcSsNETi consider using any other debian waste of time
05:13.05CcSsNETand no not a release name
05:13.08rhysthats the thing, in arch its as easy to compile programs as gentoo portage, but you don't HAVE to compile everything
05:13.15CcSsNETliterally change source.list to say testing
05:13.16CcSsNETlol
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05:13.22WormFoodI installed debian on a free partition on a wink2 "server", and now winblows won't boot...gives me an "inaccessable_boot_device", and it was working before I installed debian.....I've installed debian on windows machines before, and never had problems like this....anyone have any idea what the debian installer did to break suck ass winblows?
05:13.25rhysbut why, oh why are there packagers retarded..
05:13.34tatertitsanyone here good with curl?
05:13.41batcoder-7who do you guys use for pop3 email? is there any good free providers?
05:13.41streuner_no
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05:14.00streuner_popa3d
05:14.10WormFoodbatcoder-7, I run my own server...and I only let my users use pop3...I use imap for my personal email
05:14.11CcSsNETive never used pop3 email and quite happy not to deal with it
05:14.19rhys^
05:14.31CcSsNETlol
05:14.34rhysI suggest Fastmail.fm
05:14.41rhysI pay 20$ per year, I love them.
05:14.45tatertitsWormFood: why
05:14.48streuner_batcoder-7: you dont need a provider in order to use pop3 ;-)
05:14.56WormFoodwhat what tatertits?
05:15.07WormFoodwhy what*
05:15.23tatertitsno imap
05:15.40batcoder-7i mean it can be imap as well
05:15.50CcSsNETrhys have u seen the Nix packager?
05:15.57rhysNix?
05:16.05CcSsNETuniversal package manager
05:16.06WormFoodwhat are you talking about tatertits? I have pop3 and imap...I don't use pop3, but my users do
05:16.10CcSsNETuse it on any distro
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05:16.21WormFoodmy smart users use imap
05:16.21CcSsNETi just learned of it recently
05:16.30tatertitsread that completely wrong sorry
05:16.44WormFoodok
05:16.59WormFoodI hate it when that happens ;)
05:17.18tatertitshaha agreed
05:17.37rhysinteeerresting
05:17.45CcSsNETindeed
05:17.52CcSsNETi plan to test it soon
05:17.56WormFoodwhy in the fuck would debian installer break win2k? It was installed on a blank partition....and winblows worked fine before I installed debian
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05:18.10CcSsNETwormfood thats user error
05:18.16CcSsNETmeaning YOU
05:18.24WormFoodno it is not my error
05:18.27WormFoodI've done this before
05:18.30CcSsNETi disagree
05:18.32WormFoodnever had problems, until now
05:18.37streuner_WormFood: surely the MBR isnt ok now
05:18.43WormFoodhow the fuck could it be my fault?
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05:18.55WormFoodI can boot winblows from grub on other machines
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05:19.09mrechi, does anyone know a small telnet daemon server?
05:19.09WormFoodI've never been fucked by debian like this before
05:19.21CcSsNETwormfood
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05:19.24streuner_its always the first time :-)
05:19.28CcSsNETuse a mbr restor
05:19.34CcSsNETlike fdisk /mbr
05:19.42WormFoodstreuner_, of course the MBR was changed....but I've never had problems with booting winblows from grub
05:19.48streuner_that wouldnt fix the mbr
05:19.52rhysWormFood: don't blame the debian for your idioicy.
05:20.01WormFoodthat is not possibe CcSsNET, because I can't boot into windows
05:20.08CcSsNETlol good point
05:20.11CcSsNET:P
05:20.21CcSsNETwindows boot disks?
05:20.29newsense3the nvidia drivers that come packaged nvidia-glx, is there anything else i need to do besides dpkg-reconfigure server-xorg ?
05:20.31CcSsNETi know floppies "shivers"
05:20.45WormFoodrhys, you fuck tard, I've been using linux for over 10 years, I have been using computers over 25 years...I know what the fuck I'm doing....I didn't make any mistakes this time
05:21.04WormFoodI don't have any windows boot disks
05:21.12streuner_WormFood: go to wiki.debian.org and read about grub recover or such
05:21.12CcSsNETdownload ubcd
05:21.14CcSsNETand now u do
05:21.27WormFoodI hate windows...I have XP install CDs, but that is it
05:21.44WormFoodI don't have shit for win2k with me (I have that garbage on the other side of the world)
05:21.50bittin_i got XP / Vista and Windows Server 2008 install disks xD
05:22.00bittin_:(
05:22.03CcSsNETi got pudding
05:22.07CcSsNETlots of pudding
05:22.09rhyswell then... I've only been using Linux for maybe 5 years and I have never had that problem. Actually I just always overwrite the MBR with grub anyway and use it to boot windows...
05:22.22bittin_just don't Dual boot
05:22.24rhysI have had windows destroy itself many a time
05:22.32rhysbut that has nothing to do with linux, grub, or the mbr
05:22.37WormFoodme too....I have never had a working windows system not boot from grub...win2k or xpee
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05:22.50rhysSo windows dies. meh
05:22.56WormFoodI've seen winblows self destruct too....but I don't think that is the problem this time
05:23.01rhysmaybe you installed debian to the wrong place?
05:23.04WormFoodit starts to boot...I get the low res screen
05:23.13WormFoodno rhys....I installed it in the right place
05:23.14streuner_dpkg, listkeys grub
05:23.16dpkgFactoid search of 'grub' by key (15 of 59): _default grub boot ;; _default grub floppy ;; _default grub vs lilo ;; _default grub-install ;; grub ;; grub boot ;; grub disadvantages ;; grub floppy image ;; grub howto ;; grub sanity check ;; grub-errors ;; grub.root ;; grubrecover ;; liloorgrub ;; update-grub.
05:23.18rhysor not.
05:23.35streuner_dpkg, grubrecover
05:23.35WormFoodI installed it in free space...I didn't destroy any existing partitions
05:23.36dpkgi heard grubrecover is at http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover
05:23.43tatertitsWormfood what do your partitions look like
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05:24.03CcSsNETwormfood was this windows used? or something u just installed now as well
05:24.20WormFoodit has one main partition and 3 extended partitions....I added 2 more partitions (swap and linux)
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05:24.34CcSsNETuse 2 main
05:24.38CcSsNETand 1 swap
05:24.40CcSsNETas main
05:24.43WormFoodyes, this windows was used...I booted into it before I installed Linux to backup info on it
05:24.45CcSsNETsee if it works
05:25.16WormFoodhow is swapping around the linux partitions going to help winblows
05:25.18CcSsNETi dont use extended unles i go past 3 partitions
05:25.30CcSsNETeh just my adive for future atempts
05:25.36CcSsNETadvice*
05:25.36WormFoodwell, there was 4 partitions before I started
05:25.39CcSsNETomg tired
05:26.03WormFoodthe people who setup this computer before me were clueless
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05:26.15CcSsNETsounds it
05:26.17WormFoodthey did a shit job with the hardware, and the software
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05:26.32WormFoodthey tell me, not to lose partition D:...come to find out, that is FAT32
05:26.39CcSsNETtry using a livecd to reinstall grub
05:26.42WormFoodsounds like they really care about their data
05:26.51CcSsNETif it doesnt see windows the second time
05:26.56CcSsNETstart from scratch :(
05:27.01WormFoodgrub was installed and boots fine
05:27.10WormFoodI really don't want to start from scratch
05:27.12CcSsNETor specifiy in grub
05:27.14CcSsNETurself
05:27.26WormFoodit takes hours to install debian, because my internet is slow
05:27.31CcSsNETdamn
05:27.36CcSsNETedit grub manually
05:27.40WormFoodthe computer is fast enough
05:27.42stonedسانی س فارمولا حاصل ر ست ی
05:27.55WormFoodstoned, what is that? smoke?
05:28.00CcSsNETdo test runs live at the grub prompt
05:28.03streuner_lol
05:28.04stonedwhoop
05:28.09stonedmy bad
05:28.10CcSsNETand if u manage to boot it edit the grub files
05:29.02WormFoodI don't have a clue what to edit in grub...root (hd0,0)...savedefault...makeactive...chainloader +1....that is all for the win2k entry
05:29.20stonedits urdu, it translate to, "...get the documentation easily at..." kinda...
05:29.44CcSsNETgoogle for a good entry then
05:29.54CcSsNETanalyse it and modify urs acording to ur config
05:29.57stonedWormFood, whats the problem
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05:30.15WormFoodI installed debian on a win2k "server", and now winblows won't boot
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05:30.27CcSsNETgrub on mbr ^^
05:30.27stonedthats not vague at all
05:30.30WormFoodI installed in free space, so I didn't fuck with existing partitions
05:30.31CcSsNETlol
05:30.40stonedso use grub to pass control to the ntldr
05:30.43stonedchainload it
05:30.50WormFoodI get a stop: 0x0000007B, and "INACCESSABLE_BOOT_DEVICE"
05:30.56WormFoodit is chainloaded
05:31.01stonedthen its not a debian issue
05:31.03WormFood"chainloader +1"
05:31.11WormFoodit worked fine before I installed debian
05:31.16stonedthats a windows specific error, not a grub error
05:31.17stonedI think
05:31.25CcSsNETwell it was the partitioning i assume
05:31.38CcSsNETif stoned is right
05:31.41WormFoodof course it is a windows error....but the problem was caused by the debian installer, somewhere (I'm sure)
05:31.50CcSsNETnah ur config
05:31.59CcSsNETprior to installing debian
05:32.02WormFoodI find it hard to believe that ADDING 2 new partitions would stop windows from booting
05:32.04CcSsNETmeaning ur partitioning
05:32.11WormFoodthe partitions are fine
05:32.41CcSsNETwell either start over heh or  google for grub configs
05:32.45WormFoodI booted up with knoppix and backtrack a few times, and was able to access the partitions with no problems, and everything was good...rebooted into windows with no problems
05:32.48stonedhttp://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting
05:32.52WormFoodI did try google before I asked here
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05:33.19WormFoodgrub isn't reporting errors, it is winblows
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05:33.29stonedproblem is ntldr is loading badly
05:33.31stonedexactly
05:33.34WormFoodWinblows starts to boot, then stops
05:33.40stonedlike I said, its not a debian issue, try ##windows
05:33.41racecar56lol
05:33.42stonedgood luck
05:34.04CcSsNETwormfood i suggest u redo the partitions like i said
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05:34.08CcSsNETon ur next attempt
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05:34.17stonedCcSsNET, we're not supporting windows here
05:34.27CcSsNEThell dont even use a linux swap
05:34.30CcSsNETcreate one later
05:34.32CcSsNETas a file
05:34.35CcSsNETon .
05:34.39CcSsNET<PROTECTED>
05:34.40racecar56how the heck
05:34.51racecar56ok i am about to reinstall winblows due to some stupid problem with my keyboard... i know for a fact i will lose my grub ): so how do i be prepared?
05:34.54WormFoodI'm not asking for winblows specific help, what I'm asking for is related to the debian install, and what it did to break things
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05:35.11CcSsNETi just told u wormfood
05:35.18CcSsNETit was ur partition setup
05:35.31racecar56"wormfood i suggest u redo the partitions like i said" he said before
05:35.34CcSsNETsometimes windows gets mad for no reeason
05:35.34WormFoodwhile it is possible, I feel that is unlikely
05:35.39stonedeats a green skittle
05:35.51CcSsNETstoned i call the red ones
05:35.51WormFoodI've seen windows fuck itself many times
05:36.21CcSsNETme 2
05:36.33CcSsNETi claim it was ur partition scheame
05:36.39CcSsNETi could be wrong
05:36.44CcSsNETbut i dont dought myself often
05:36.50racecar56i will lose my bootloader (grub) when i install winblows... so after i do that what do i do to reinstall grub?
05:37.00CcSsNETok
05:37.02racecar56i can't be able to go into debian when it pwns grub
05:37.05WormFoodFUCK! I get to the pre-boot screen for winblows (by hitting F8), and it is ALL in chinese
05:37.15racecar56and obviously that would be a bad ting ):
05:37.16stonedracecar56, live cd
05:37.24WormFoodI don't know what to do to get a boot log...I can see the menu selection for "safe mode"
05:37.25CcSsNETwindows errrors
05:37.39CcSsNETwell if u can get to the f8
05:37.46CcSsNETthen u can modify the ntldr
05:37.50CcSsNETi think
05:37.54CcSsNEThave fun
05:37.55stonedracecar56, or use grub for NT and use that to boot both debian and windows or load the debian grub through the nt grub
05:37.59WormFoodI wouldn't know what to select in chinese
05:38.07stoned!tell CcSsNET -about enter
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05:38.34CcSsNETyea yea, i rarely type full sentances sorry im an IRCer haha
05:38.37stonedracecar56, your grub will still be there, just not on the mbr, which you can easily install via the debian live cd
05:38.41stoned!fixmbr
05:38.41dpkgTo reinstall boot loader simply boot to your Debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"  Also ask me about <dual boot guide> and <rescue mode>.
05:38.49WormFoodand even if I do burn off these other partitions, it won't restore the bootloader
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05:39.09newsense3ok so i got the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 packages and i ran dpkg-recofigure xserver-xorg but im still not getting the driver to load
05:39.21racecar56!fixmbr | racecar56
05:39.26WormFoodand the only windows CDs here I have, are winxp....not sure if the XPee boot loader will boot win2k
05:39.27racecar56!fixmbr @ racecar56
05:39.27stonednewsense3, did you modprobe it?
05:39.33stonednewsense3, you have to load the nvidia module
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05:39.44stonednewsense3, lsmod|grep nv
05:39.45newsense3stoned: i did
05:39.56newsense3stoned: modprobe nvidia and it loaded
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05:40.15newsense3stoned: agpgart is using it apparently
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05:42.02newsense3stoned: seems X still wants to look for the vesa driver
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05:42.18stonednewsense3, just edit xorg.conf, put in the driver bit
05:42.25stonedin the device section
05:42.33WormFoodfuck it! I'll just deliver the server with broken windows, and if they want it later, they'll have to contact me, or drop the hard drive into another machine
05:42.53WormFoodthanks for your help and suggestions guys
05:43.03stonedsorry we couldn't do more
05:43.08stonedgood luck
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05:43.48newsense3stoned: i'll look into it thanks, i don't remember having a driver section though
05:44.02stonedCcSsNET, do not msg me
05:44.31newsense3stoned: i got a device section
05:44.36CcSsNETlol, ok im out ttyl all ill be in some other channel
05:44.39stonednewsense3, does it say nvidia?
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05:44.52newsense3stoned: nope configured video device
05:45.00newsense3ahh, change it to nvidia
05:45.07stonednot the label
05:45.10stonedjust pastebin the file
05:45.15stonedor that section
05:45.39newsense3stoned: let me install pastebinit real quick, just built this thing
05:45.39stonedif it says vesa, change vesa to nvidia, thats all
05:45.46stonednothing else
05:45.54stonedconfigured video device is the label i think
05:46.08newsense3wait i get it under identifier add a line like: driver "nvidia"
05:46.10newsense3?
05:46.22stonedahhh boy
05:46.28stoneduse pastebinit
05:46.35newsense3stoned: ok thanks
05:46.46newsense3never had a reason to mess with X
05:46.50stonedits alriht
05:46.51newsense3until now
05:47.19stonedIt might be more clear to you if i were to simply provide an examle rather than try to tell you what to change dunno what you hav ein there
05:47.33stonedbecause a default debian xorg.conf doesn't, its prety barebones
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05:47.49stonedso just pastebin it
05:48.07newsense3stoned: i had this box built for a couple days now but did'nt know i could use a 4pin 12v pwr connector since my board had an 8 pin haha
05:48.16zcat[1]http://wiki.dennyhalim.com/ pretty consistently makes iceweasel crash (http://pastebin.com/m3437e614) suggestions?
05:48.31stonedzcat[1], use a diff browser...? ;)
05:48.42racecar56ok i printed the instructions thanks
05:48.45stoned(for that site I mean)
05:48.49racecar56im going to do the setup now bye guys
05:48.52racecar56see ya in a bit
05:48.53zcat[1]using firefox. thanks for the terrific advice...
05:49.04zcat[1]jkust thought somone might want to fix it
05:49.16stonedzcat[1], file a bug report?
05:49.32zcat[1]hmmmm.. yeah I could do that
05:49.39stonedif you can't be bothered to file a bug, then uhm.. you know.. don't really expect much
05:49.43stonedI mean.. :)
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05:50.12newsense3stoned: http://www.pastebin.com/f56d10f3e
05:50.19zcat[1]not even sure where to file bugs for debian. I'm usually an ubuntu guy
05:50.38stoneduhm.. there is nothing there
05:50.43stonedzcat[1], /msg dpkg reportbug
05:51.05newsense3stoned: sorry i took so long, i should have used irssi's exec feature to send the pastebinit and return the outpur to the channel :)
05:51.19stonednewsense3, just use #flood and install gpm
05:51.21stoned:)
05:51.27stonedor what was it, #paste or something
05:51.40stonedlet me know when you're ready and I'll go there
05:51.45zcat[1]wtf I already installed flash plugin.
05:51.52zcat[1]silly browser
05:52.01stonedyou installed it using the debian package?
05:52.01newsense3stoned: what it was blank ?
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05:52.11stonedzcat[1], and now it doesn't work on firefox?
05:52.22stonednewsense3, yup
05:52.38zcat[1]everything else does.. even when iceweasle crashed firefox 'recovered' from it ;)
05:52.46craigevilzcat[1]:  nothing on that page you linked crashed iceweasel here , i tried several links with no issues
05:52.56zcat[1]must just be me
05:53.00stonedzcat[1], use different profiles dude... iceweasel -P
05:53.17stoned<PROTECTED>
05:53.22stonedand assweasel too
05:54.02craigevilstoned:  i ran firefox for a bit over a yr after debian changed the name, never noticed any difference between the two
05:54.05zcat[1]well until now I was only using 'assweasel' (vbg) and from now on I think I'll only be using FF.. so no problem really
05:54.21stonedthere you go
05:54.28stonediw is known to have been buggy a bit
05:54.38newsense3stoned: http://pastebin.com/f733279f3 there that one shouldn't be blank
05:54.43stonedits been always unstable for me, so I don't use it fulltime but I have it for testing
05:54.55craigevilhavent had a crash since around the 2.0 version
05:55.25zcat[1]might just run a memtest .. not sure the history of this ram so I might rule that out before I go filing any bugs
05:55.57zcat[1]although I will note that FF isn't having any problems, where IW was
05:56.24zcat[1]thus I believe it's a bug
05:56.26stonednewsense3, http://pastebin.com/maeec758
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05:56.57stonedits not a ram issue
05:57.08newsense3stoned: thanks, i', installing links now so i can see it :)
05:57.16stonedugh
05:57.19stonedlinks2!
05:57.23newsense3yeah
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05:57.35newsense3why you don't like it ?
05:57.41stonedI like links2
05:57.44stonedlinks is bogus
05:58.01craigevillinks2 -g pron even in ttty :)
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05:58.37saivinhi, could anybody tell me what is the setting in muttrc if exim is the MTA?
05:58.45stonedg porn? gay porn? ;) HA! got ya
05:58.45newsense3yeah i meant links2 i could't do web from a vt without it
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05:59.10stonedanyway
05:59.27stonedim off to see the wizard guys
05:59.30stonedpeace
05:59.51craigevilzcat[1]:  my iceweasel user.js is heavily tweaked might be why i dont see crashes
05:59.54saivinfor sendmail i had 'set sendmail="/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem"'
06:00.12zcat[1]ok, rebooting
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06:01.02saivinhi, could anybody tell me what is the line in muttrc if exim is the MTA?
06:01.04saivinfor sendmail i had 'set sendmail="/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem"'
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06:01.49newsense3stoned: great job man, :)
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06:03.30newsense3stoned: thanks, i can finally test out some games now
06:04.18saivinhi, could anybody tell me what is the line in muttrc if exim is the MTA?
06:04.20saivinfor sendmail i had 'set sendmail="/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem"'
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06:46.36daringsotHello please what replaces xmms package in Lenny ?
06:46.49Mouseyshoots in the dark
06:46.50Mouseyxmms2?
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06:48.01daringsotis there any gui interface for xmms or xmms2 for Lenny _ ALl I got here is a command line xmms2. Or I have an option of installing GNOME in order to get gnome xmms2.
06:49.30Trewasdaringsot: audacious is the closest alternative to xmms
06:49.39daringsotwhat package to install in order to get a working xmms2 gui interface without being depedant of gnome libs _
06:50.05daringsotDid xmms  went totaly gnome _
06:50.17daringsotI can't believe it.
06:50.36Trewasno, xmms1 went completely dead, xmms2 is completely different type of player
06:51.01daringsotIs GUI xmms2 depedant of GNOME libs ?
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06:51.50daringsotI'll take a look at Audacious
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06:53.00daringsotThanks Trewor for pointing to audacious
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06:57.50m0zzzyguys, does lenny installer support installation of boot partition to softraid?
06:58.13m0zzzyI had to do it for 2 times, and each time I got "GRUB _" after install was completed
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06:58.28lavrenI did a netinstall of debian, got most all I need but I do need to compile gcc, when I do an apt-get of gcc it asks me to install the netinst cdrom, what's with that? First off I have no cdrom drive, second it should be self sufficient at this point am I right? I'm not familiar with debian can someone explain
06:59.11lavrenoh well I'm copying the gcc .deb over NFS anyways, we'll see if that works, but nonetheless I'd like to know why apt-get is requesting a netinstall
06:59.13lavrencd
06:59.24newsenseif i have some of my system memory being used by my onboard video would free show only what i havent dedicated to video only ?
07:00.01newsensehwinfo also shows Memory Size: 1 GB + 768 MB, i have two 1G sticks
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07:07.10Dewidaringsot: there are probably other non-gnome non-commandline clients, but not in debian
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07:07.56yikHey all. Is it possible to install a package (with apt-get/aptitude/etc.) but skip the configuration part? I'm making a script and there are some packages that try to do their own configuration (ask user tons of questions), but my script will overwrite the package config files anyway so..
07:08.20SunnyDPyik: of course there is
07:08.27yikSunnyDP: how?
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07:08.45SunnyDPyik: not sure, but you will surely find out how in this channel...
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07:09.05yikOK. apt-get man page doesn't mention a way
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07:09.54harry_vis the same apt-get files in /etc/apt-source.list the same as would be in centos? im gettign this error message on apt-get update E: Type 'deb' is not known in on line 4 in source list http://www.pastebin.ca/1348563
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07:10.11racecar56omg i cant reinstall grub
07:10.19racecar56stupid busybox
07:11.54harry_vdoes this look right ? is this in source.list line four deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
07:12.07racecar56no
07:12.30racecar56i usually see ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
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07:12.41Sashiquestion. how stable is lenny
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07:12.52racecar56rock solid
07:12.54racecar56:>
07:13.29Sashiso unstable is stable?
07:13.36racecar56its released
07:13.42Sashioh? is it now
07:13.43Sashilol
07:14.06racecar56i have a busybox 1.10.2 shell up and i need to know what to do to install grub
07:14.17racecar56and dpkg dosent help D:
07:14.27harry_vracecar, still pointing to line four as a problem.
07:15.06harry_vdid a yum install apt and installed fine.
07:15.17racecar56yum? O_o
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07:15.37harry_vim in centos.  #centos channel is dead
07:15.40racecar56ok
07:16.20racecar56i have to install grub now but i dont know what
07:16.23racecar56to do\
07:16.58racecar56i did mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt and it says mounting /dev/sda1 on /mnt failed: No such file or directory
07:17.39racecar56help?
07:17.46yikbtw, the way to skip configuration is by setting this env variable: export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
07:17.55racecar56i am following dpkg's instructions
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07:18.38daringsotand audacious doesn-t work
07:18.53daringsotoh how I dislike debian updated
07:19.24harry_vlife on eath as we know is is mostly subsidized by oil. should oil disapear the earth can only sustain 2 billion people.
07:19.27racecar56...
07:19.41daringsotback to downloading xmms old source...
07:19.48tetoncatry 'mount' with no arguments
07:19.53racecar56...............
07:19.53racecar56k
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07:21.07racecar56rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) none on /sys type sysfs (rw) tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=755) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=600)
07:21.39tetoncaext3 may not be supported.  try ext2
07:22.21racecar56but i have ext3 D:
07:22.41racecar56and it gives the same error
07:23.06tetoncafdisk -l /dev/sda
07:24.01tetoncaIf that comes up blank or with an error message that would prevent progress.
07:24.22racecar56-/bin/sh: fdisk: not found
07:24.59tetoncaah.  cfdisk may be present but I don't know how to use it.
07:25.15racecar56cfdisk dosent exist either
07:25.38tetoncatry 'mount /dev/sda1' no other args
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07:26.17racecar56can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab
07:26.28tetoncahm.
07:26.41tetoncacat /etc/fstab
07:26.51tetoncalook for sda
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07:27.26racecar56exists
07:27.49tetoncagood.  try dmesg -- may not be usable but try it
07:28.06racecar56holy moly it returned a LOT
07:28.11tetoncagood.
07:28.35maxagazwhy lvm isn't used by default in debian ?
07:28.40tetoncastep thru the consoles with ALT and the right arrow key
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07:28.55racecar56didnt know that
07:29.06racecar56i did dmesg | grep sda and it seems to say it detected sda
07:29.24tetoncayou have grep? wow.
07:29.27racecar56yes
07:29.41racecar56grep pwns :3
07:29.53tetoncahm.  that opens up a few possibilities.
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07:30.28tetoncaHow many consoles did u step thru?  approx.
07:31.35racecar56is it ok to use ubuntu live cd to do this?
07:31.46gpgkeysquestion: I know I can dpkg-query -S /path/to/file and that will tell me what pkg it is in IF its installed. but how would I search packages that in the repository using the path in order to find out what package to install?
07:31.47racecar56because its SO much easier with it
07:32.06tetoncayeah probably.  a livecd has moar toolz
07:32.18racecar56boots off ubuntu live
07:32.27gpgkeyscase in point  dig is in dnsutils. I know it installs to /usr/bin/dig  how would I search the repositories for what package would contain /usr/bin/dig
07:32.43racecar56btw im on a kubuntu laptop (using it to chat with u)
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07:33.10jeromemaxagaz: is there a point with LVM for a simple, single user box ?
07:33.27gpgkeysasking from the point of me not already knowing what package would contain it
07:33.35tetoncagpg I am old school.  I grep in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.lst for that *if* it is already installed.
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07:34.05racecar56its done :>
07:34.10tetoncaIf not I use the giant Contents.gz in the repos.
07:34.19gpgkeysyeah see I'm asking as if it was not alrady installed and i did not know the package name that contained it, i only knew the path it WOULD be in if it was
07:34.24jeromegpgkeys: try apt-file
07:34.34racecar56apt-file pwns
07:34.57gpgkeysinstalling and seeing if thats it
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07:35.06gpgkeysthanks for the sugg
07:35.08racecar56what????????????????????????????????? it seems to not have grub... still
07:35.27racecar56eeeeeeeeeeeevil winblows >:(
07:35.36jeromeETT
07:36.24maxagazin "sudo myuser -", what is the meaning of the hyphen ?
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07:37.20gpgkeysjerome : awesome. thanks a ton
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07:37.54racecar56i know that su - means switch to root, open a login shell
07:38.32bugjari saw lots of posts from people saying nice things about proxy-ing apt (apt-proxy, approx, apt-cacher) -- are there good reasons to NOT use a proxy?
07:39.12jeromebugjar: if you have multiple ARCH and don't have a huge file server, tten yes.
07:39.28jeromeif you pay for bandwith too.
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07:40.02bugjarjerome : i would think that bandwidth restictions would promote using an apt proxy
07:40.22nkuttlerbugjar: when you have only one box?
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07:40.50bugjarnkuttler - ah, well, yeh, that seems like an edge case.
07:41.08nkuttlerjk
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07:42.21bugjaractually, i have 4 debian machines.  they each have a single IP, so no single one is a gateway to anywhere.
07:42.55bugjari don't see a real speed issue
07:43.44bugjarjerome : good point on the architecture
07:44.18bugjarand each is fairly well up-to-date (on etch).
07:44.39jeromehowever if you plan to play with virtualization, this might be a good move.
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07:45.04bugjarthey may never get lenny - whenever i get a test box (maybe never?), i'm being asked to move them to centos (so all are mostly-redhat type setups)  :(
07:45.08racecar56sorry my internet died for a bit :(
07:45.39jeromemoving to centos ... You're doomed.
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07:46.12bugjari don't know why it is a big deal to have them on centos, since they use different repos and update sources than the paid-for rhel systems
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07:47.10racecar56i dont even know much about (how to use) centos/red hat-like distros
07:47.16bugjarjerome : i've never used centos and i haven't touched a redhat box, in any real sense, since i hated rh8
07:47.47bugjarof course, they have these nice rhel boxes, but they have no entitlements, so nothing has been updated.
07:47.51racecar56i have used only debian-based ones, and a few rpm-like ones
07:47.54bugjaraint that grand?
07:48.08jeromeclassic fail.
07:48.45jeromeusing Debian is sometimes just too comfortable.
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07:49.06racecar56hey its better than windows :>
07:49.09racecar56lul
07:49.10jeromeit makes you forget the rpm/yum/whatever hassle
07:49.16racecar56same
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07:50.55jeromebugjar: considering your proxy question, you may try to mirror the directories you're interested in. I can't really remenber the size of one single arch/version couple, maybe 50G
07:50.57bugjari was gonna at least have all the debians proxy off of one of them (apt-proxy, but there's so much blather about how unstable it is; i haven't seen it on my recently proxy'd two test laptops) that i thought i'd see what kind of reasons there were to not proxy
07:52.39bugjarjerome : set up a real honest-to-goodness mirror?  i don't have that many machines -- though i will need to look at the hardware again.
07:54.10bugjari'm pretty sure that two of them are identical, but ... there may be a wierdo in there... mirror wouldn't save me much
07:54.57bugjaractually, the annoyance of it is that i'll need to justify opening a port (9999 in apt-proxy).
07:56.00jeromewell, on the lan only.
07:56.37jeromeapt-proxy is non a heavy service to setup for 4 machines.
07:56.48bugjarhrm - does ssh follow /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny?
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07:56.58jeromeyes
07:57.24bugjar& i presume apt-proxy does too?
07:58.00mischiefanyone know why i get this error when using aptitude? "/usr/bin/mandb: the setuid man user "man" does not exist"
07:58.06bugjar(i should start my test boxes hic et nunc to try, instead of just asking.  but if you know that answer .. ;)
07:58.07jeromeI presume allmost everything at tcp level uses them
07:59.08gener1csomehting weird is going on , my screen keeps on going dark, i can still seee a real bit of the windows but it just becomes dark for no reason , i had issues with the power management for a long time but this, this is plain weird
07:59.18gener1chere it goes again
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08:00.11bugjarjerome: thx.  well, that will at least satisfy my curious overlords.
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08:00.46gener1chello i am back
08:01.05gener1chas anyone got an idea what this would happen?
08:01.11bugjargener1c : you've ruled out power glitches, yah?
08:01.17gener1cyup
08:01.33gener1comg
08:01.38bugjargener1c : is it only in X or in console too?
08:01.40gener1cit hhappened in irssi
08:01.42gener1con cli
08:01.45gener1cout of x
08:01.50gener1chow does that happen!?#$
08:02.09bugjargener1c : which version of debiab?
08:02.18bugjar^ * debian
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08:02.54roe_I have an off the wall request, is there a utility that will show me the status of ssh tunnels connected on my desktop?
08:03.04roe_on = from
08:03.19bugjarhrm, power management
08:03.20bugjar?/
08:03.29bugjarroe_ netstat?
08:03.42roe_a little noisy no?
08:04.07bugjarnetstat | grep ssh maybe
08:04.40bugjartho that will only catch default ports -- not just any old ssh connection
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08:05.45sobersabrehi guys.
08:05.50roe_and it also doesn't give me the information I am looking for
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08:06.00roe_for instance...
08:06.03sobersabreI have a USB flash disk. and USB port behind the computer.
08:06.08bugjarmaybe `lsof | grep ssh` would be more helpful since it would also get ssh instances
08:06.20roe_I would do ssh -L 1234:server:443 user@www.domain.com
08:06.31sobersabresometimes I umount and eject the drive, and want to detect it back again.
08:06.48sobersabreis there a way to force this detection on my wish ?
08:06.49roe_I want to know that 1234 is used and I can't use it again
08:07.09bugjarsobersabre : just mount it again?
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08:07.29bugjarroe_ sorry.  not sure
08:07.43roe_I'm gonna have to write something I think
08:08.54pmjdebruijnanybody here using multipath? I'm having an issue with lenny where the /dev/mapper/mpath devices aren't properly showing up in blkid?
08:09.18bugjari'm curious what would hold that info  ... netstat would see the port in use, tho it woulnd't know the traffic over it
08:09.20sobersabrebugjar: when I eject the flash disk, its device file supposedly is removed from /dev
08:09.38sobersabreso, what do I issue the mount command for ?
08:09.48sobersabreWITHOUT removing and inserting the flashdrive.
08:09.57roe_bugjar, I'll do a little digging, if I find something I'll drop a line
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08:10.14bugjarroe_ verr cool.  i'd like to know
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08:11.45bugjarsobersabre, i presume this is auto...  i think i have a mount point listed in /etc/fstab.  i also don't think i ever eject anything but CDs.  sorry
08:12.43bugjarsobersabre : i'd give it a try anyway -- plug it in and `mount` to see where it is
08:13.11bugjarsobersabre: after umount and eject, see if you can mount it to the old mount point
08:14.27roe_an inelegant was is through ps |grep ssh
08:14.38roe_then I could use cut to find the ports
08:14.58bugjarroe_ heh. nice
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08:17.40sonniemy lenny 5.0 cannot mount /dev/pts automatically after boot.
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08:22.20gener1ci tried to use a live cd and found out it was a hardware issue since it happened on the livecd as well, i just wanted to say thanks anyways
08:22.32gener1cand not just disappear
08:22.54bugjarnp.  we're friendly
08:23.05debeeecan someone explain the usage of /etc/apt/preferences file?
08:23.15bugjardisappears
08:23.21gener1clol
08:23.54Deepa^workIt's for preferences of course
08:23.58bugjardebeee - preferences?
08:24.17bugjarnot sources.list.. ?
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08:24.41gener1clol i tried to open the file on this machine and then i remembered it is not mine XD
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08:25.03gener1csources.list is the mirror file
08:25.13gener1cthe repository settings
08:25.20gener1cthats it
08:25.25sonniemy lenny 5.0 cannot mount /dev/pts automatically after boot.
08:25.45gener1ctried /etc/fstab?
08:26.03gener1cah wait its not a harddrivw
08:26.11gener1cwhat is that
08:26.12sonniethere is no such line as pts in another normal debian 5.0
08:26.31gener1cbeats me , sorry
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08:28.36roe_!lenny
08:28.37dpkgfrom memory, lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214   Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny
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08:30.53bugjarsonnie - the only thing i can think of to check is if /dev/pts exists and if its cred matches what is expected
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08:40.58sonniebugjar, after i execute "mount devpts /dev/pts -t devpts", it works
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08:45.43nickycakesi'm having difficulty getting vsftpd to listen on port 22 for ssl connections in debian.  is this a common problem?  i think i have everything in the vsftpd.conf set properly, but still no dice
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08:47.16bugjarnickycakes - ssh still listening on 22?
08:47.27nickycakesfuck
08:47.29nickycakesno it's not.
08:47.31eliklol
08:47.43nickycakestime to go take a bath with my toaster
08:47.46nickycakesthanks
08:47.48nickycakes=]
08:47.56bugjarsure, np.
08:48.00elikyou two have fun
08:48.01bugjarsounds kinky tho
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08:50.52Acedipwell i installed debian 5 on my machine, but when i did the first boot, the login manager said it couldn't log in and told to check the file "~/.xsession.errors" , which showed "could not create gnome accelerator directory '/home/ani/.gnome2/accels' : permission denied ....
08:50.55Acedipany help
08:52.00nkuttlerAcedip: check your file permissions?
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08:52.47Acedipnkuttler: i'm in cli mode now, how to do that..and which file..
08:53.52nkuttlerAcedip: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rc/help/faq/permissions.html, /home/ani/ would be a good start
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08:55.40bugjarkinda weird that it can't create its own directories, tho
08:55.53nkuttlerAcedip: can you paste the output of mount?
08:55.58nkuttler!tell Acedip about paste
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09:03.54Acedipnkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/29355/
09:06.32Acedipnkuttler: well i'd to write down the output,since i'm on cli mode..
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09:07.23OpenTokixDewi: Why?
09:07.46OpenTokixDewi: Nevermind
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09:12.43zrinis it "normal" that the kernel is swapping out (according to vmstat, so > 0) and at the same time keeping a large disk cache (cache > 3400000 in vmstat)?
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09:15.10nanonymeIs there any way to make apt generate statistics on installed packages so that I could see how many experimental packages I still have?
09:15.57nanonymeTrying to determine when all of the packages I need will be in Squeeze.
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09:27.35asulaohello. trying to install amd64 kernel on lenny/686 installation, but amd64 image doesn't seem to boot ok: boot complains about ramdisk not found or something, using lilo. help
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09:29.21nanonymeEducated guess: some other package provides the initrd file.
09:29.31asulaoetch worked ok btw
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09:30.41asulaohello. trying to install amd64 kernel on lenny/686 installation, but amd64 image doesn't seem to boot ok: boot complains about ramdisk not found or something, using lilo. etch worked ok. help
09:31.13nanonymeasulao: Your message doesn't disappear from the channel even if you drop. :P
09:31.51nanonyme(Well, kinda rather: doesn't disappear from local backbuffers of the people who were present)
09:31.56asulaook, prob is don't know if you get it, as I dropped conn. also, I modified it
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09:33.22asulaocould someone do that quick test see if it works pls? maybe it's something with my lilo, or my pc or something
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09:41.00nanonymeasulao: I think the error message was pretty much clear. Either the boot ramdisk is mislocated or your lilo doesn't load it properly. Just the kernel image isn't enough.
09:41.31asulaowhat do you mean mislocated?
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09:41.44asulaoI just do an apt-get install linux-image-amd64, then add entry to lilo.conf
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09:41.47nanonymeAs in, is it at all on the boot partition?
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09:42.22lewis2got a debian vmware image with phpmyadmin. for some reason when I go into it now, I can't logon. It just refreshes the phpmyadmin screen. It has worked before and I know the credentials are correct. Any ideas?
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09:42.33asulaonanonyme: well, there's no boot partition
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09:42.45DrivenMadcan olsr be run jsut on eth interfaces?? and does it have to use 2?
09:42.46asulaonanonyme: it's a single root / part
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09:43.14asulaonanonyme: that's the problem maybe?
09:43.20nanonymeasulao: For God's sake, do you want to solve the issue or go into semantics?
09:43.25nanonymeIn your case boot folder then.
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09:44.03asulaoyes, it's all on the boot folder
09:44.11asulaojust as apt-get installs it
09:44.15nanonymeBoth the kernel image and its ramdisk file?
09:44.23asulaoyep
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09:45.07asulaoI also did a update-initramfs -u 2.6.26-amd64, and it said: "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64"
09:45.18nanonymeRight.
09:46.34nanonymeWell, assuming there's no typos in lilo, I don't really know why it shouldn't see that. (I personally use grub anyway)
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09:47.08OpenTokixIs someone using lilo still?
09:47.09OpenTokixwhy?
09:47.26asulaoI think I read something in the debian macbook wiki for dual booting macosx/debian
09:47.30nanonymeOpenTokix: There are rare cases when it's necessary.
09:47.37DrivenMadwhen you ahve the option or it askes you USE grub :)
09:47.39asulaousing lilo was better I think, so that's why I used it
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09:47.49nanonymeSome hardware is better supported by lilo than grub.
09:47.52OpenTokixlilo is shit
09:48.07nanonymeThere grub doesn't work at all.
09:48.11nanonymeBut as I said, it's rare.
09:48.15OpenTokixli 0101010101010101
09:48.21DrivenMad:)
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09:48.55DrivenMadhas anyone palyed with the sheevaplug dev yet??
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09:49.37DrivenMadhttp://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp
09:49.44zrinhow to search for packages based on tags?
09:49.50DrivenMadfriggin sweet!!!
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09:53.26lewis2argh - phpmyadmin login just refreshes when I try to login. no error - any ideas?
09:53.37alcoholyea
09:53.42alcoholstop using phpmyadmin
09:53.47alcoholit's the devil's spawn
09:53.54lewis2bah
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09:54.24alcoholthat would be the first thing we'd tell you in #mysql
09:54.35alcoholfor further questions, please proceed to #phpmyadmin
09:54.57lhzhow is installer password set ? (ssh remote installation)
09:55.29nanonymeRemote install of what?
09:55.32nanonymeDebian?
09:55.42lhznanonyme: yes
09:55.48nanonymeJust do passwd.
09:56.01lhznanonyme: passwd not found
09:56.05nanonymeEek.
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09:56.39lhzThe menu do ask for an installer-user password, but that isnt set according to /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow.
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09:57.14blahdeblah Hi.  My caps lock light has somehow become the opposite of what it should be.  Everything's working, it's just that caps lock shows off when it is on, and on when it is off.  Does anyone know of a trick to reverse the LED?
09:57.45Deepa^workSolder in a NOT?
09:57.57nanonymeDeepa^work: X)
09:58.35blahdeblahDeepa^work: It happened in software, i want to solve it in software
09:59.08blahdeblahIt seems to be just a little timing quirk in X, the keyboard driver, or my keyboard hardware, but it's annoying.
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09:59.18nanonymeI'd expect it to have been a joke anyway, messing with keyboard circuitry might be a pain.
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10:00.06blahdeblahnanonyme: I know
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10:00.54Deepa^workThe right way is the working way ;-)
10:01.25Deepa^workWould this theoretically work? SSH tunnel in a DHCP server and a tftp server and run pxe?
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10:01.31nanonymeDeepa^work: Perl ideology?
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10:01.44Deepa^workI'm writing ASP as we speak, but sure
10:01.54ma3xis fglrx available for 2.6.28-1?
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10:03.21nanonymema3x: You like system hardlocks? :)
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10:03.56ma3xim forced to use 2.6.28-1 because it has the iwlagn driver
10:04.10nanonymema3x: Just wondering since fglrx has a long history of causing those.
10:04.18nanonymeI'd rather go for open drivers if possible.
10:04.33ma3xi dont have xv with other drivers
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10:04.48nanonymema3x: r6xx/r7xx?
10:05.30nanonymeThose will have Xv with next release of xf86-video-ati and kernel 2.6.30.
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10:05.39pexyhow can i install etch on an empty amd64 machine? i want to test upgrade.
10:05.49ma3xnanonyme: whats r6xx?
10:05.55nanonymema3x: It's a chipset.
10:06.01nanonymema3x: What's your ATi card?
10:06.13nanonymeOr rather it's a range of chipsets.
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10:06.35ma3xnanonyme: ati radeon hd 3470
10:06.57ma3xit's hd 3400 series
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10:07.24nanonymema3x: r6xx then. Xv is already mostly done in that upstream. It's currently in experimental branches, they're getting ready of merging it to master.
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10:08.38asulaonanonyme: what options do I have in lenny to install older amd64 kernels? because I have 2 kernels now 2.6.26-686 and 2.6.26-amd64, first one boots, second doesn't
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10:09.01Deepa^workbackports?
10:09.13nanonymema3x: As I said, your card will have Xv support in the next xf86-video-ati and kernel 2.6.30.
10:09.14asulaoor newer ones
10:09.38ma3xnanonyme: so i have to wait now eh?
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10:10.05nanonymema3x: Or use the experimental branches now. :) They work up to 2.6.29.
10:10.37ma3xwhat's the r6xx exactly?
10:10.41ma3xno such driver exists
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10:10.55nanonymer6xx is a chipset range, as I said.
10:11.06nanonymeEg r670 is a chipset version number.
10:11.13ma3xhm let me see that
10:11.15nanonyme(rv670, whatever)
10:11.37nanonymema3x: Just go check by #radeon or #radeonhd and ask about the r6xx-r7xx-support branches if you want to try them out.
10:11.44ma3xok
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10:14.20Kasreynhttp://worldofgoo.com/dl2.php?lk=demo&filename=WorldOfGooDemo.1.40.deb
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10:14.26Kasreynyay it's finally here
10:15.33OpenTokixKasreyn: cool!
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10:15.58KasreynOpenTokix: i know! :>
10:16.03OpenTokix=) =)
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10:17.41ma3xnanonyme: nobody relies in those channels
10:18.25OpenTokixKasreyn: didn't work on my machine =(
10:18.35Kasreynaww what happened?
10:18.49Kasreyni'll try it when i get home
10:19.10blade_hi all sonmeone can help me pls ? after upgrade from deb 4.0 etch to 5.0 lenny my x-server does not start
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10:19.15Kasreynhave a few different computers with debian to test it on
10:20.03scientesblade_, try moving your existing xorg.conf to xorg.conf.orig and then try
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10:21.09blade_scientes rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf.orig ?
10:21.20scientesyeah, cause xorg does autodetection
10:22.07scientesbut if there is a conf file then it listens to it instead
10:22.22scientesfor the things that it dictates
10:22.24blade_before the update x-server works fine
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10:22.52scientesits just a first step
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10:23.14blade_i use fglrx drivers for ati Gcard
10:23.30scienteslisten towhat the X server tells you and use google then
10:23.34lenpenHi, I'm using Debian Lenny 5.0 KDE live cd. How am i able to have root access to install applications?
10:23.47lenpensu asks for a password.
10:24.36blade_lenpen you know root password ?
10:24.43scientesuse sudo -i
10:24.57scientesthats wierd that the live cd uses sudo
10:25.04pmjdebruijndoes anybody here know why devicemapper volumes aren't listed with high priority on Debian Lenny?
10:25.30asulaonanonyme: it seems I'm getting this exact problem: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2008-11/msg01918.html
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10:25.50asulaonanonyme: however, I wouldn't want to have to do what he is doing, if there's a better workaround
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10:26.03asulaonanonyme: same pc also
10:26.04tengulreI want to print process like , Loading 1-100%, I using echo -ne "$COUNT%" COUNT=$(($COUNT+1)), how to do?
10:26.34lenpenscientes: /usr/bin/aptitude: /usr/bin/aptitude: cannot execute binary file
10:26.50nanonymema3x: Rule of thumb on IRC: "mostly no one will respond to 'hello' or 'is anyone online?' or similar comments even if they are present". Just ask the questions. :)
10:27.09lenpenscientes:  that was after using sudo -i aptitude install blahblah
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10:27.16scienteslenpen,
10:27.17DolunayTükçe bilen var mıı
10:27.22scientesno just type sudo -i
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10:27.27scientesthen you will be root
10:27.27blade_scientes i dont remember command to test x-server can you tell me ?
10:27.44scientesits the equilivent of su but for sudo
10:27.57scientesblade_, startx or /etc/init.d/gdm restart
10:28.04lenpenscientes: cheers
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10:29.12nanonymescientes: Well, there's at least four ways to do that. ;) sudo -s, sudo -i, sudo su, sudo <any generic shell> :)
10:30.15scientesnanonyme, but only sudo -i prevents the problems or being the whong whoami and resetting sapplications settings to be woned by root
10:30.22scienteswhich breaks alot of things
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10:30.39scientessoryy for my bad spelling there
10:31.56zrinwhile lsof | grep sdd gives nothing, I cannot mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdd1 : "Couldn't open /dev/sdd1 for write" ... is there a way to find out what is going on?
10:32.35lhzugh, had to type in id_rsa.pub manually on installer-host :)
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10:34.40nanonymescientes: sudo bash -l probably does the same.
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10:35.14nanonyme(Or sudo sh -l)
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10:35.36blade_scintes i can past you te error ?
10:37.24scientesblade_, read what it is saying, it says it cant find it, use m-a
10:37.37blade_m-a ?
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10:40.09scientesmodule-assistant
10:40.45scientesyou have to rebuild your modules when you install a new kernel
10:41.19blade_ah ok
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10:41.31blade_command for module-assistant is m-a ?
10:41.35scientesyeah
10:41.39blade_thx
10:42.00blade_brb..
10:42.01kryptozHi, what is the default tcp socket timeout ?
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10:57.22osFrenchDudeHi, this might be a stupid question but, can I trust this url ? http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org/
10:58.19petemci would say so
10:58.33petemcas much as you truest debian, at least
10:58.37petemcs/ue/u/
10:58.43jellyand random people on irc
10:59.22ofl_hi, i have got a little problem, so i installed a kde4.2 ( repo: debian-desktop.org ) , and when it was starting the default resolution was 1280*1024 , i dont know why, because i had setted the resoulution 1024*768 , can i set this resolution to default ?
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11:00.31osFrenchDudepetemc: actually, your answer does not help me..do you mean alioth.debian is managed by debian ?
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11:01.05asulaohello. trying to install amd64 kernel on lenny/686 installation, but amd64 image doesn't seem to boot ok: boot complains about ramdisk not found, using lilo. etch booted amd64 kernel ok. 32bit kernel boots ok on lenny. help pls
11:01.14DrivenMadmsut remeber to go back to beginning and not look into things to much with olsrd config :)
11:01.46DrivenMadasulao.. waht chipset are you using??
11:02.09DrivenMadboard chipset
11:02.21asulaodunno, how do I find? it's a macbookpro
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11:02.38DrivenMadhehe ok gottcah let me look :) brb
11:02.45petemcosFrenchDude: i was pointing out the domain is ..debian.org - is that not obvious?
11:03.18petemcosFrenchDude: and as jelly pointed out, its fairly ridiculous to ask random people on irc whether you can trust something or not
11:03.35DrivenMadummm amd 64 build on a macbook pro... that doesent sound right...
11:03.45asulaoit's a core2 uo
11:03.47asulaoduo*
11:03.56osFrenchDudepetemc: the last argument is quite grounded...
11:04.03asulaoit booted fine with etch though
11:04.04DrivenMadhehe kk
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11:04.28DrivenMaddid you install it as one big partition? or split it up?
11:04.45asulaoone big part 50GB
11:05.18asulao'/boot' is on that 50GB part too
11:05.46DrivenMadok you might try the guided install and select the option that lets you either split them all up , or go and make a swap partition maually on install.
11:05.51DrivenMadhumm
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11:06.11asulaoDrivenMad: system is working with 686 kernel
11:06.14DrivenMadi would go back to the accual install
11:06.18asulaoit's all set up already
11:06.27osFrenchDudepetemc: and no, that was not that obvious. so this is a subdomain of debian ??  I don't know a thing about that...
11:06.32DrivenMadjsut not wit hteh amd 64 kernel?
11:06.32asulaoit's just the amd64 kernel that doesn't seem to work
11:06.50petemcosFrenchDude: you should read up on how domain names work, it is obvious
11:06.57asulaoyes
11:07.02DrivenMadhehehe weird :)
11:07.27DrivenMadsorry im not sure about that... ramdisk error..
11:07.45asulaoDrivenMad: I had etch yesterday, upgraded to lenny and it won't run amd64
11:07.53asulaowell, it won't find rd
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11:08.05asulaoit seems to boot ok, but stops at rd
11:08.09asulaoand kernel panic
11:08.14DrivenMadidea..
11:08.22sezoomhow to change the order of authentication in ssh to GSSAPI,......, publickey
11:08.41DrivenMaddo a netinstall. and do an apt-get for the latest amd64 headers maybe :)
11:08.48sezoomit always start with publick keys
11:08.59asulaoreinstall everything again?
11:09.21DrivenMadhehehe well if you really are set on running amd kernel.. then yup
11:09.45DrivenMadif it is running on 686 i would leave it alone :) aint broke dont... LOL
11:10.07asulaoDrivenMad: it's a pain, I've got my sys all setup. also dual boot on macbook is an added coplication
11:10.14asulaoDrivenMad I need amd64 to port an app
11:10.27asulaoI wounldn't care about 64 apart from that
11:10.41DrivenMadahh gotcah..
11:10.43nanonymeasulao: Erm, porting from what to what?
11:10.44DrivenMadgotcha
11:10.51asulaofrom 32 bit to 64
11:10.58nanonymeRight.
11:11.25DrivenMadthe only thread i see on it is to compile some custom things into the kernel and no "modulize" it .. frak taht !
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11:13.17SeJoall i have set fs.file-max=1048576 in /etc/sysctl.conf
11:13.26SeJobut when starting ulimits -n still shows 1024, and not 1048576
11:13.31asulaook, DrivenMad I'll try to compile a kern
11:14.05DrivenMadthere ya go.. good luck!! (better than reloading:)
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11:14.38asulaobut I guess it's basically someone @ debian must have done
11:14.38DrivenMadcompiling is always good to do every once in a while .. it keeps you on your toes :)
11:14.39asulaono?
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11:14.54DrivenMadwell
11:14.54asulaobasically the same*
11:14.58DrivenMadyea
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11:15.51DrivenMadthe nice thing is that you can acually do it:) unlike winblows.. where would your option be there.. lol ohh yea.. add code ontop of code ontop of more code to make it work LOL
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11:16.22asulaoyes, but don't have many hopes as the real problem I'm having doesn't seem to be clear
11:16.41nanonymeDrivenMad: I'd say the main problem there is the lack of redundancy with updates.
11:16.41DrivenMadlook ath e basic tcp/ip stack size of linux.. then look at win.... win is huge!! thats why linux will always out perform on the net :)
11:16.42asulaoand I'm sure I won't do it better than deb
11:16.58DrivenMadture.. very true..
11:17.24DrivenMadbut debian is know to be super stable.. downside is that the updates are lacking sometimes:)
11:17.32DrivenMadi would always rather have stable :)
11:17.46nanonymeMeh, I just use Debian testing. ;)
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11:18.05DrivenMadthats like overclocking your dedicated MySQL box LOL ROFLMAO!!
11:18.10nanonymeAnd even that is currently too old.
11:18.14asulaoDrivenMad: no offense, but I heard that too, but now I'm getting somewhat pissed off about it
11:18.23nanonymeThere's stuff in experimental that I need.
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11:18.37DrivenMadi ahve been using it for wifi mesh backbone.. it is hella stable :)
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11:18.53DrivenMadruns on embedded devs awsome too :)
11:18.58nanonyme:P
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11:19.08nanonymeWhat do you run on your desktop systems? ;)
11:19.32DrivenMaddepends.. i ahve 4 in the office..
11:20.17DrivenMad1 vista biz premium, one ubuntu, one calrkconenct with virtualmin, and one xp box for the girl :)
11:20.52DrivenMaddebian is on my laptop :) along side backtrack 3 :)
11:22.05SeJois this a known bug for debian that settings of /etc/security/limits.conf are not read
11:22.46DrivenMadnot sure :)
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11:23.18nanonymeDrivenMad: Well, desktop, laptop, same thing essentially. The real difference is with server vs desktop anyway.
11:23.22telmichis there any way to convert flac and ogg to mp3 in debian squeeze? sox encoding support is still broken (https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/sox/+bug/223783) and I'm not aware of any other command line utility
11:23.50jellytelmich: vlc? mencoder?
11:24.04jellyok, mencoder is not in debian
11:24.44nanonymetelmich: Converting flac to mp3 still sounds somewhat sane, from vorbis to mp3 not very much so. :/
11:25.43jackwebHello. I have copied my system from the first disk to the second one. How to change owner of *all* files in /home/$USER to me?
11:25.43jellynanonyme: then buy him a player that supports vorbis
11:26.24nanonymejelly: I did that by installing an OGG player on mine. :p So no, I don't think so.
11:26.42nanonymeIt's just that lossless->lossless isn't usually a good idea.
11:26.45extorWhat exactly is "volatile" and where and how can I grab a package from there? I was told that jbidwatcher was available on there
11:26.49DrivenMadchmod 777 LOL  jk
11:26.59nanonymeYou get better audio quality by re-ripping the CD as mp3.
11:27.03mischiefanyone know why i get this error when using aptitude? "/usr/bin/mandb: the setuid man user "man" does not exist"
11:27.07telmichnanonyme: I know about that
11:27.16telmichjelly: ahh, jep, maye vlc
11:27.36telmichnanonyme: that's more or less broken, because the dj cannot handle ogg, only mp3 :-(
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11:28.26nanonymetelmich: CD is broken, eh, huh, what? :) You're not making much sense.
11:28.54jellytelmich: mencoder is available in debian-multimedia repo, /msg dpkg dmm
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11:29.16telmichjelly: thanks
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11:31.36telmichargh, same with vlc: [00000562] stream_out_transcode private error: cannot find encoder ((null))
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11:32.16osFrenchDudehow should that take before we can see the very last xfce in debian testing repo ?
11:32.23osFrenchDude*how long
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11:34.34jellyosFrenchDude: which would be "the very last"?
11:35.09osFrenchDudejelly: xfce-4.6
11:35.54jellyosFrenchDude: usually when it releases + a couple weeks or months.
11:36.15jellyosFrenchDude: that's for unstable, not testing, though.
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11:36.53derder1Hi all, when i use PHPs mail() Function it takes abotu 1 minute to send a snigle eMail, hwo can that be (i have sendmail installed)
11:36.55osFrenchDudejelly: because for gnome, in testing (squeeze) we're stil with gnome 2.22 (2.24 has been released a while ago)...
11:36.56nanonymejelly: Too bad the process is so much slower for X.org. :/
11:37.06nanonymeosFrenchDude: Depends on the package.
11:37.08jellynanonyme: huh?
11:37.44nanonymejelly: Well, I'm currently impatiently waiting for X.org 7.4 to end from experimental to unstable. :P
11:37.59jellynanonyme: so use experimental if you need it
11:38.05nanonymeI *am* using it.
11:38.12jellyproblem solved.
11:38.15nanonymeI just wouldn't *want* to use it since it's experimental.
11:38.18jellynext!
11:38.47nanonymeosFrenchDude: It's in experimental.
11:39.07osFrenchDudenanonyme: and i guess a compilation would be long, painfull, difficult
11:39.20nanonymeosFrenchDude: You don't have to compile it, experimental repo stuff are binary packages.
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11:39.42asulaowhat's the development package name for gtk+ in lenny?
11:39.42nanonymeIt's just that they are, well, experimental. :P
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11:40.06pexyi try to update mysql on debian from etch (5.0.32) to lenny (5.0.51). i loaded in full database dump to 5.0.51, and some stored procedures are missing. mysql administrator shows message "could not fetch schema routine status" if i click calatogs > database which contains stored routines. in 5.0.51 mysql.proc table contains all stored procedures. any idea whats wrong here?
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11:40.14nanonymeosFrenchDude: There's *no* guarantees of system stability or even that they wouldn't break your dependency tree.
11:40.20jellyasulao: libgtk2.0-dev, same as before?
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11:40.42osFrenchDudenanonyme: hhmm, I'll wait then
11:40.57asulaothx, dunno. don't remember packages names. install once in lifetime
11:41.08nanonymeosFrenchDude: You can do the same I did. Install another set of Debian inside a chroot, then install the experimental packages inside the chrooted system.
11:41.14danielitohi there. anyone has experience in using the package jbossas4?
11:41.18nanonymeWastes space but is safer.
11:41.19danielitoit seems to do nothing at all :)
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11:41.55osFrenchDudethey should be in squeeze repo sometime soon (or not) I just wanna try it, so I can wait
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11:42.06osFrenchDudenanonyme: how it is working ?
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11:42.29nanonymeJust fine for now.
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11:42.39nanonymeosFrenchDude: That is, I'm not running Gnome but X.org.
11:42.42jellywon't tell he's using xfce 4.6rc1 from the maintainer's repo
11:42.43nanonymeFrom experimental.
11:42.53nanonymeosFrenchDude: But it's the same procedure.
11:43.32osFrenchDudenanonyme: I was talking about xfce...so you don't know if it's working great or not..?!?
11:43.38nanonymeEek.
11:44.12nanonymeosFrenchDude: Must've come in at the middle of the conversation.
11:44.43osFrenchDudenanonyme: I've talked about gnome, but my forst question was about xfce
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11:45.05nanonyme4.4.2 is newest xfce in unstable, nothing newer in experimental at the moment.
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11:45.31osFrenchDudenanonyme: ok
11:45.31OpenTokixI see a clear correlation between people having problem with X and people running experimental....
11:45.55nanonymeOpenTokix: I don't have problems with X and I'm running experimental.
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11:46.07OpenTokixnanonyme: you have the hidden option 3. A clue
11:46.22ma3xwhere can you change the key combo for next/previous tab
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11:47.21ma3xin iceweasel
11:47.24ma3xor firefox
11:47.30nanonymeOpenTokix: Actually first off I switched because VT switching produced really odd results in X.org 7.3. Since it was fixed when moving to X.org 7.4 with the same set of display drivers, I suspect it was a bug in X server.
11:47.53OpenTokixVT-switching?
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11:48.33nanonymeOpenTokix: VT switching. You know, ctrl+alt+f1 and so.
11:48.37OpenTokixaha
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11:49.05nanonymeIt produced a lot of screen corruption for me with X.org 7.3.
11:49.17OpenTokixoki
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11:50.02jackwebHello. I can't login as root using su. I can only do it in tty1-8. I'm writing the same password.
11:50.16the-rarhow can one disable the ipv6 adress for a network device?
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11:51.03jackweb(it happends after moving Debian from HDDs)
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11:51.41YAA1!info samba
11:51.46dpkgsamba: (SMB/CIFS file, print, and login server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 2:3.3.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 4426 kB, Installed size: 12332 kB
11:52.39YAA1?! what about all the other distributions ?!
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11:53.00YAA1what about lenny ? about testing ?
11:53.10YAA1!help
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11:55.11blade_hi all i hafe a problem to compil fglrx module someone can help me pls ?
11:55.21blade_/usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:2505: error: expected â=â, â,â, â;â, âasm
11:58.06YAA1!package samba
11:58.15YAA1!packages samba
11:58.19YAA1!dist samba
11:58.33YAA1!help info
11:58.56YAA1Why is !info samba only listing SID ? what about lenny and testing ?
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11:59.38YAA1!wtf samba
11:59.40dpkgGee...  I don't know what samba means...
12:00.09nanonymedpkg is being silly =^_^=
12:00.09dpkgbugger all, i dunno, nanonyme
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12:00.31harkYAA1: packages.debian.org/samba
12:01.00YAA1samba
12:02.12simonrvnYAA1: because you don't know how to use the bot? ;)
12:02.36YAA1simonrvn: oh yeah!! that helped a lot
12:02.38simonrvn!info samba lenny
12:02.46dpkgsamba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 2:3.2.5-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 4194 kB, Installed size: 11464 kB
12:03.17YAA1!info samba *
12:03.27YAA1!info samba all
12:03.32nanonymesimonrvn: Heh, good for you, it just indexed Lenny little before you asked ;) <dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait.
12:03.59YAA1!info samba sid
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12:04.31simonrvnwhichever one is requested, it does. it doesn't do them all. it gets refreshed once a day, so it must have been still fresh, or recently done.
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12:04.39nanonymeAh, right.
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12:05.06nanonymeI just asked it the same question in private.
12:05.11nanonymeThat's what I meant.
12:05.18simonrvnah ok :)
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12:09.14gmcehrm, silly q: how do i get linux-kbuild-2.6.28 installed?
12:09.42stewgmc: wait for it to exist, first.  currently it doesn't
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12:10.12gmcahw... that's a pity.. so i know am put before the choice: have a wifi driver or be able to use vmware..
12:10.28stewgmc: can't you use 2.6.26?
12:10.47gmcstew: maybe, but the wifi driver for my new laptop is not in 2.6.26.. that's why i installed 2.6.28
12:11.00gmcmaybe i can install the wifi driver as a module.. will have a look into that
12:11.12stewgmc: intel 5100 or whatever?
12:11.15gmcyes
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12:11.42hans__which linux image shoudl i use in debian lenny for XEN? linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686 package says "Linux 2.6.26 image on i686, oldstyle Xen support".... old-style xen support? is there a new style?
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12:12.31stewgmc: well you could always build from source.   you could perhaps build -kbuild from source from http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net ; but you'd have to wonder why it hasn't been uploaded yet
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12:12.59stewhans__: if you don't get an answer here, you might try #debian-xen on irc.debian.org
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12:13.04Grandiahi
12:13.17rgr_whats the cleanest way to stop a service starting? In this case mpd is kicking off at boot and I only want to run it at user level.
12:13.23hans__stew: oh, right, it didnt even occur to me to look for that channel
12:13.42hans__stew: which happens to be empty
12:13.51hans__buggeru
12:13.51Grandiaif using the cds to install debian how many of them do I need for a debian working with gnome &/or kde & do the cds support live cd mode?
12:14.04stewhans__: (note that it is on a different network)
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12:14.15gmcstew: tnx, i'm gonna try some stuff later..
12:14.34hans__stew: *smacks forehead* thanks
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12:15.19stewGrandia: there are separate livecds ; cd1 should be enough for gnome.  kde might need the second as well.  note that if you can get onto the internet with a debian kernel, then you only need the first no matter what (or a netinst which is ~150mb)
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12:16.17simonrvnstew: good morning :). cd 1, does it also do live? is that what you're implying?
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12:17.25rgr_sudo sysvconfig seemed the easiest way ..
12:17.30gmchmm.. i actually only need the header files, so linux-source.2.6.28 will do just fine (the kbuild was a dependency of linux-headers-2.6.28)
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12:18.17simonrvni like sysv-rc-conf better, you're not stuck having to tab through all of them to reach the bottom, say.
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12:19.16stewgmc: note that if you start from linux-source, you'll have to compile your own kernel, as you need _configured_ headers, not just .h files
12:19.25gmcoh darn
12:19.29simonrvnyup
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12:19.56tetraedrhi
12:19.57tetraedrwhat can I use to make a screencast on widescreen monitor? xvidcap and istanbul produce some broken video.
12:19.57Grandiaok & any jigdo file that says netinst in it is netinstall only?
12:20.16stewGrandia: to clarify.  no, the install cds don't have a live mode (they have a rescue mode).  there are separate livecds
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12:21.13stewGrandia: no, netinstall is different from 'netinst'.  netinst is a regular install cd that only has a base install, it doesn't have extras like gnome.  it is expected that if you install with a netinst, anything you want more than base you get from the net
12:23.13asulaofor building an amd64 kernel I do "make gconfig", then load the default debian config-2.6.26-1-amd64, but this doesn't seem to have any effect on the architecture built. what's the correct way to load the default amd64 config file?
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12:26.58asulaoalso, when loading the /boot/config-2.6.26-1-amd64 file into gconfig options get duplicated, until I change the tree view, and x86-84 options aren't visible unless I select the "show all options", in which case they're greyed out. what am I doing wrong ?
12:28.04EulexI suggest testing menuconfig and seeing if it has the same problem
12:28.20asulaoEulex, menuconfig doesn't seem to work well on gnome terminal
12:28.27YAA1COMPILING SAMBA 3.3.0-4 FAILS WHILE 3.3.0-3 WORKED - Why this ?? Im got lost. See my log here: http://pastebin.com/d593b2153
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12:29.02gmcnow what does this mean: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nl.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_updates_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) ?
12:29.04asulaoEulex, I'll try text mode term and see what happens
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12:29.14gmci tried various mirrors, they all seem to be missing sources?
12:29.30gmceven tried the main site
12:30.07petemcgmc: you're running apt-get update?
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12:30.33gmcpetemc: well, i'm using the gui thingy, which i suppose does an apt-get update
12:30.41Eulexasulao, never had any such porblems. in any case, the normal way you put an old config into a source is to put it as .config in the main directory and run make oldconfig
12:30.50Eulexanyway, bbl
12:30.52petemcgmc: try not using the gui thing, see if that works
12:31.11gmcso, apt-get update gives me W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources  404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.238.52 80]
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12:31.39petemcgmc: can you pastebin your sources.list ?
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12:32.44gmcpetemc: sure, http://pastebin.ca/1348690
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12:34.20asulaoEulex, can't seem to find the architecture (x86_64) options, where in the tree is it?
12:34.54matmohello. Is there an existing util to rename a deb package, ie, it's name as specified in the control file?
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12:45.06hans__um, debian lenny does not yet support xen? ( as in the host machine dom0 ???)
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12:46.30HSNewsPeople, which the best ftp-console-based-client?
12:46.43dominikh-ncftp?
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12:47.16stewncftp or lftp
12:47.20zeitsofalftp or cftp - i think :)
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12:51.03Deepa^worknetcat
12:51.35petemcgmc: that looks ok - your internet otherwise works?
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12:55.09russoahh, now thats my kind of discussion, what the best cli ftp :)
12:55.23Deepa^worknetcat is the only thing you'll ever need
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12:59.40HSNewshow to get whole directory to my local drive?
12:59.43HSNewswith ncftp
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13:00.24HSNewssorry, all okay
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13:00.34Acedipwell i installed debian 5 on my machine, but when i did the first boot, the login manager said it couldn't log in and told to check the file "~/.xsession.errors" , which showed "could not create gnome accelerator directory '/home/ani/.gnome2/accels' : permission denied ....any help
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13:02.20UrsoBrancohi all
13:02.58gmcpetemc: my internet works nicely and it can get all other repositories
13:03.19UrsoBrancois there any known issue against synaptic with debconf not showing correctly configure questions ?
13:03.37UrsoBrancodoes anybody face a problem like this ?
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13:05.28Acedipcan anyone help me out..
13:06.38nkuttlerAcedip: still?
13:06.52Acedipnkuttler: ya..
13:06.55nkuttlerAcedip: touch ~/foo
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13:07.49nkuttlerAcedip: can you execute that command?
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13:08.39Acedipnkuttler: well nothing happens..no output
13:08.50nkuttlerAcedip: good. touch ~/.gnome2/foo
13:09.43Acedipnkuttler: can not touch ~/.gnome2/foo , permission denied
13:09.55nkuttlerAcedip: ls -ld ~/gnome2
13:10.09nkuttlerAcedip: sorry, ls -ld ~/.gnome2
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13:11.21Acedipnkuttler: drwx------ 12 500 500 4096 2008-10-29 00:19 /home/ani/.gnome2
13:11.32nkuttlerAcedip: id
13:11.55Acedip??
13:12.09nkuttlerAcedip: it's a command
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13:12.15Acedipohh
13:12.17nkuttlerAcedip: no need to paste the output btw
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13:12.35Acedipokk..then?
13:12.37nkuttlerAcedip: the file
13:12.45nkuttlerAcedip: the file ~/.gnome2 isn't owned by you
13:13.07nkuttlerAcedip: so if you read the tutorial i sent you hours ago you'd use chown to change that
13:14.03Acedipnkuttler: okk, i'll read that, but if its commands u can tell me then tell..
13:14.12HSNewshow to change owner for directory and all files in it?
13:14.20nkuttlerAcedip: you need chown. see man chown
13:14.23HSNewsI use: chown www-data /var/www/*
13:14.47HSNewsbut in subdir files owner don't changed
13:14.48HSNews(
13:14.52Acedipokk
13:15.17nkuttlerHSNews: man chown, recursive
13:15.25Acedipnkuttler: i've to become the owner of that file..
13:15.28HSNewsthanks
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13:15.36nkuttlerAcedip: that sould fix the error
13:15.50Acedipnkuttler: lemme try
13:16.03UrsoBrancoHSNews: try to use chown -R www-data .....
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13:16.16HSNewsthanks it work!
13:16.20UrsoBranco;-)
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13:17.06nassoim looking for a programming language to control the execution of other programs, a kind of sandbok, in linux. does anyone have any suggestions?
13:17.26nkuttlernasso: make? shell scripts?
13:17.30nassoim going to create an automated "judge" that compiles and runs applications
13:17.59nassonkuttler, my plan so far is to use shell scripts, but could i use python or perl?
13:18.13nkuttlernasso: start with make
13:18.59nassomake? its used to automate compilation, right?
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13:19.05Acedipnkuttler: okk..did that..
13:19.12nkuttlernasso: yeah
13:19.15Acedipnkuttler: now reboot ?
13:19.20nkuttlerAcedip: hell no
13:19.29danielitoanyone installed the sun-java6-jdk from the non-free debs and knows where I should point JAVA_HOME to?
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13:19.50themilldanielito: you shouldn't need to for anything in debian
13:19.59nkuttlerAcedip: btw, try a ls -la ~/ and check if other files have wrong permissions too
13:20.04nassonkuttler, the programming language of the code im going to compile is not really defined yet. should be able to compile and run at least java, c and python
13:20.17themilldanielito: and running update-java-alternatives should be enough to sort most other things out
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13:20.49nkuttlernasso: you sound like you want to reinvent make. at least learn it before you do so.
13:21.16themillnasso: there are already things like that about that you may as well leverage. Things like pbuilder, or cowdancer are designed to give you a sandbox to work in.
13:21.24nassonkuttler, people will submit source codes to server and  the server will compile it and run it and verify that it does what it should do
13:21.33nkuttleraaah
13:21.45Acedipnkuttler: well some are owned by ma and some not.
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13:21.52Acedip*me
13:22.09nkuttlerAcedip: where does your filesystem come from anyway. that shouldn't have happened..
13:22.09themillnasso: you'll want to trust your users a lot then....
13:22.24danielitothemill: hm. I'm trying to setup jboss application server. I installed the sun's java and started the server. but it's throwing a few errors and is not reachable under localhost:8080
13:22.28nkuttlerAcedip: chown -R /home/yourdir yourname....
13:22.30danielitoso I thought it's the wrong JAVA_HOME setting
13:23.26nassothemill, im going to use a sandbox environment
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13:23.32themilldanielito: is it still running? (check ps ax) Is it listening on anything? (check netstat -plant)
13:23.33Acedipnkuttler: it says invalid user
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13:23.46nkuttlerAcedip: man chown
13:23.50apostlehow do I re-configure my video card in Debian Lenny
13:24.12themillnasso: there's not really such a thing unless you make a complete virtual machine. The kernel is still exposed to the user.
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13:24.41nassothemill, cant apparmor protect the kernel?
13:24.48themilldanielito: you can try JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
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13:25.02mikedubwhat can I do if a dist-upgrade isn't resolving kept-back package issues
13:25.07danielitothemill: hm. restarting and after that I'll first check the netstats
13:25.12danielitorestarting the as I mean
13:25.39mikedubwait it out?
13:26.27Acedipnkuttler: did taht
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13:26.53danielitothemill: well so yes. the application server is listening; but I get a blank page. so something inside jboss is broken. nevertheless I don't think it's the fresh stable jboss sources that cause the problem
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13:27.25duke_raris it possible to allow other local users to access my machine via X?
13:27.27themilldanielito: if it doesn't fall over immediately you try to run it, then it's probably not a JAVA_HOME problem. But there's no harm in trying.
13:27.52danielitothemill: maybe it's a memory issue. running the whole thing in virtualbox
13:28.13Deepa^workduke_rar: 'other' local users?
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13:29.18nkuttlerAcedip: did what?
13:29.26sepulthow can i change the default start directory for my desktop ? it's beginning in ~/Dokuments
13:29.39Acedipnkuttler: chown -R ani /home/ani
13:29.51sepulti don't know is it a dolphin setting a gnome one or a kde one ?=
13:29.53nkuttlerAcedip: well, that should fix some issues at least..
13:30.13Acedipnkuttler: okk..now i try and log in..
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13:31.01Acedipnkuttler: well great..i got int..
13:31.02Acedip:D
13:31.09Acedipnkuttler: thanks man..
13:31.29nkuttlerAcedip: np
13:31.41Acedipnkuttler: but how did this happen anyways..
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13:34.37nassothemill: do you have any recomendations for what i should use to protect my computer from the dangers of compiling completely unknown code
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13:35.15YAA1!info samba testing
13:35.23dpkgsamba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 2:3.2.5-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 4194 kB, Installed size: 11464 kB
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13:36.05themillYAA1: use judd instead
13:36.10themilljudd: versions samba
13:36.10YAA1!info sucks
13:36.10juddthemill: samba -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1 lenny: 2:3.2.5-4 squeeze: 2:3.2.5-4 sid: 2:3.3.0-4
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13:36.44danielitothemill: thx for your help. actually it WAS the jboss source :-o another version is just running fine
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13:36.52themillhehe
13:37.23themillnasso: not really... running in a chroot is a good start (something like cowbuilder would be good), but all other efforts like you describe normally require some trust in the submitters -- debian, for example, requires a gpg signed upload document from a previously registered developer.
13:37.30mikedubwhat can I do if a dist-upgrade isn't resolving kept-back package issues? where should I start looking to resolve the rogue unmet dependancy?
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13:38.34apostlewhat program reconfigures the xorg.conf?
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13:39.19danielitodpkg-reconfigure if i remember correct
13:39.27nassothemill, im just going to compile the application once, run it once, save the output, compare it to a sample and then discard it
13:39.51nassothemill, does that simplify it? :)
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13:40.40nassonasso, could apparmor or something like vserver be able to protect the kernel, memory and filesystem?
13:40.48themillnasso: you're still running code on your machine from people you don't know. Personally, I wouldn't do that.
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13:41.29YAA1versions samba
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13:41.46nassothemill, the whole point of the system is just that. im going to do that. i just want to know if there is a way to protect myself :)
13:41.47XaeroOnehi
13:41.50themillnasso: if this were an internal project for your company, say, or an internal project for debian developers, then that's a very different story to it being publically accessible
13:42.07dubphilHello, since I have upgraded from Etch to Lenny, the php gettext suport is not working anymore, I don't know where to search, can you help me debug this please ?
13:42.31nassothemill, its a project for a school, for automatically judging programming exercises
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13:43.12apostlehark, I am still receiving input signal out of range? :(
13:43.43abrotmandubphil: it says it's built into the php5 stuff
13:43.49themillnasso: do you trust the students? Or at least know who they are? If so, then you can start making life easier. Base your work on something like cowbuilder or pbuilder.
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13:44.23themilldubphil: you have to set the locale *exactly* right and the locale has to be installed on your system. (php's gettext is crap)
13:44.23XaeroOneI have a debian etch and installed fedora since I didn't want it taking over the grub configuration I installed grub into its own partition in sda7 (where fedora is installed) now when I update the debian grub menu with the entries for fedora it doesn't boot into fedora but when I use chainloader +1 it then boots into grub from sda7 and boots into fedora, why is that?
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13:45.35Geek`N`Proud`XaeroOne, easy
13:45.43Geek`N`Proud`you have two separate grub instances
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13:45.49Geek`N`Proud`one on your MBR (Debian)
13:45.50dubphilthemill : in fact it is a matter of upgrade, locales where installed before the upgrade to Lenny and to be sure I have reinstalled the locales and gettext but it is still broken
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13:46.00Geek`N`Proud`one in the boot record of sda7 (Fedora)
13:46.07abrotmandubphil: do you have a PHP error for us?
13:46.13Deepa^worknasso: why not inspect the code?
13:46.15Deepa^workonly way to be sure
13:46.18nassothemill, i could give all students a username and password and make them log in to the website. i still have to have security though. still cant trust them
13:46.27nassoDeepa^work, because then its not automatic
13:46.35dubphilabrotman: no error it is silent so hard to debug for me
13:46.49harkapostle: which debian version?
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13:46.56Deepa^worknasso: why not use a tool to inspect the code?
13:46.59themillnasso: you could probably at least make it so you know who to blame though. If you're paranoid about them being stupid though, use a virtual machine that has no network access.
13:47.02Acedipnkuttler: well i have fedora 10 on dual boot on the machine and shared /home, so how do i know i'm seeing the fedora environment, i mean the looks of many things is same in debian as in fedora..
13:47.02apostlehark, debian lenny 5
13:47.08Geek`N`Proud`nasso, look at Linux Containers
13:47.16Geek`N`Proud`that can run apps in a contained way
13:47.23Geek`N`Proud`it is going into the mainline kernel soon
13:47.30nassoDeepa^work, the student should be able to visit a website and just submit their code and and get a result back within the minute
13:47.31duke_rarwhat is the freenode admin channel? i got a question about cloaks
13:47.35dubphilis there a way to test gettext alone without PHP in order to exclude the gettext app ?
13:47.37themillGeek`N`Proud`: not much better than a chroot though. A local kernel vuln is still a problem.
13:47.39Geek`N`Proud`duke_rar, #freenode
13:47.46duke_rarthx
13:47.47Deepa^worknasso: buy better servers then
13:47.54Geek`N`Proud`themill, only when you have access to the vulnerable devices
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13:48.10Geek`N`Proud`a container has it's own memory allocations etc.
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13:48.30Geek`N`Proud`and a VM makes the kernel more vulnerable
13:48.37apostlehark, my xorg.conf must be in correct but how do I fix it?
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13:49.01Geek`N`Proud`KQEMU for example can cause DoS with bad instructions (which can occur accidentally in many cases)
13:49.10abrotmandubphil: i think it uses its own gettext, not a library
13:49.40harkapostle: try without one first
13:50.00apostlehark, without an xorg.conf
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13:50.17harkapostle: yes
13:50.21nassoDeepa^work, what do you mean by buy better servers?
13:50.32apostleok
13:50.43harkapostle: if that doesn't work, do the reconfigure and finally X -configure
13:51.08Deepa^worknasso: inspect the source is what I said
13:51.13Deepa^workYou said it wasn't fast enough, I said upgrade
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13:51.16nassoDeepa^work, is there tools that inspect code for "bad behavior"?
13:51.18nkuttlerAcedip: of course it looks the same if you share the same config. btw, next time disclose such information at the beginning. good luck with sharing ~/
13:51.22Deepa^workI don't know, write one?
13:51.25abrotmandubphil: nope .. i was wrong
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13:51.40apostlehark, nothing
13:51.57nassoDeepa^work, i thought you meant that i should manually inspect every source that gets submitted
13:51.59dubphilabrotman: yes gettext needs to be installed to work even with PHP
13:52.01S_AHi! Is there anyone who has rdesktop working with eToken Smart card support.
13:52.13S_A??
13:52.34Acedipnkuttler: well i'm on debian for the first time, so if u know, does it really look same in some things to fedora
13:52.38dubphilit looks like the upgrade from Etch to Lenny has broken something in the PHP gettext support
13:52.45abrotmandubphil: is your php-gettext package installed ?
13:53.05themilldubphil: php's built-in gettext is working for me
13:53.07nkuttlerAcedip: as i said you are *sharing* your desktop config
13:53.08Geek`N`Proud`nasso, you can use Linux Containers or OpenVZ to contain userland badness - but for kernel issues there is nothing that can really be done
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13:53.35Geek`N`Proud`nasso, Xen is the closest you can get to safe.. separate DomUs for each class or group or whatever
13:53.59Geek`N`Proud`as Xen offers a layer lower than the kernel which can restrict things
13:54.03dubphilabrotman: arf this is crazy, it wasn't installed but the phpinfo() says gettext  GetText Support enabled
13:54.03Acedipnkuttler: is there a way to use gui as root, then i could know, but it doesnt allow root the gui..
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13:54.37themillabrotman, dubphil: the php-gettext package is another thing entirely. That's an in-php-emulation of gnu gettext.
13:54.43nkuttlerAcedip: any reason why a normal user wouldn't do?
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13:55.57Acedipnkuttler: i mean sharing ~/ will give the same desktop config to the root as me?
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13:56.24dubphilthemill: you are right, it doesn't resolved my issue
13:57.00nassoGeek`N`Proud`, thanks. i have lots of technologies i have to look up now. its hard to know where to start when you're not an expert in the field. always feels like you are forgetting something
13:57.55dubphilthemill: do you know how I should debug ? in fact i'm just the admin of the server and it was a developper that have set the gettext stuff
13:58.08nassoGeek`N`Proud`, protecting filesystem seems fairly straigtforward with tech like chroot, sandboxes and apparmor/selinux but when it comes to memory, device and kernel protection, it gets harder. is there anything else you need to protect?
13:58.50dubphilhe just ask me to install gettext and the suitables locales then he managed the rest himself
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13:59.13Geek`N`Proud`nasso, it depends what the goal is really.. OS-level virtualization can prevent DoS by resource consumption by limiting CPU/RAM use and such
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13:59.45Geek`N`Proud`nasso, while hypervisors such as Xen can contain things even if the kernel itself was malicious (or so they claim)
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14:00.39Geek`N`Proud`nasso, btw there's always room to learn.. and i'm far from an expert - i'm doing a BTEC First Diploma in IT at college (don't ask...)
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14:03.33themilldubphil: if that doesn't say "success" then php is even more screwed than we thought. If it works OK for the C locale, then try some other locale that you have installed. Be careful that you have the *full* locale name not just a fragment of it though.
14:04.13nassoGeek`N`Proud`, okay. im trying to find a balance. you could buy a new physical computer every time. ghost an image of the os to it, run the code and then burn the machine... that feels a bit overkill though :)
14:04.50dubphilthemill : thanks a lot that is helping a lot ! result with C : success ;)
14:05.05dubphilI will check the others thanks !
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14:05.14themilldubphil: something like "fr_FR.UTF-8"; PHP will only let you use a locale that is already installed on the system. the output of "locales" might help you.
14:05.24themilldubphil: err. "locale" not "locales"
14:06.03themilldubphil: PHP has changed the way it handles these things a few times. It's a pain to work with like that.
14:06.11nassoGeek`N`Proud`, im just going to compile small programming excercises and compare outputs, save the results and let a human judge log in and inspect the code. the students should log in and i want to stop the student from manipulation each other results and taking control over or manipulating the computerjudge
14:06.38Geek`N`Proud`nasso, is it high-level or low-level code?
14:07.05nassothe university uses mostly java
14:07.09dubphilthemill : ok then I will look around PHP
14:07.19nassobut some c and python, some haskell and other stuff too
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14:07.31Geek`N`Proud`nasso, OpenVZ seems like a simple way to do things then
14:07.37nassoim not planning on supporting assembler
14:07.59Geek`N`Proud`each student could have a virtual environment with OpenVZ as they are very lightweight
14:08.04Geek`N`Proud`it's almost as light as chroot
14:08.23Geek`N`Proud`the memory can be limited and CPU time prioritised through it
14:08.33apostlethe video card is XGI Z9 with 32 MB of Ram.....and Debian Lenny Won't boot up the Xwindows system
14:08.49Geek`N`Proud`then the tutor could log in on the host itself to check things
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14:09.11Geek`N`Proud`the students can't touch each other's bits or the tutor's bits then ^^
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14:09.34nassoi guess you could move files from the openvz to a place where the tutor can access it?
14:10.08Geek`N`Proud`nasso, it's like chroot from the outside.. the tutor can interact from the outside without moving anything
14:10.10nassoim not going to run simultaneous judgings, will have a queue-system
14:10.38Acedipnkuttler: well i wont mind re-installing the system,as i want to shift to debian completely , so i guess i should do this if cant login "# chown ani ~/.gnome2 "
14:10.48nassoGeek`N`Proud`, okay. that sounds great. is it similar to vserver?
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14:11.05Geek`N`Proud`nasso, yes but it is considered to have more features
14:11.16Geek`N`Proud`vserver will probably work fine too
14:11.18nkuttler!tell Acedip about errors
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14:12.15Acedipnkuttler: at first boot, the login manager said it couldn't log in and told to check the file "~/.xsession.errors" , which showed "could not create gnome accelerator directory '/home/ani/.gnome2/accels' : permission denied ....
14:12.21cobra-the-jokeris installing debian right now :D
14:12.52nassoGeek`N`Proud`, i think i read somewhere that OLPC uses vserver to isolate each process from the other. dont remember where i read it though. so i guess it has to be really lightweight :)
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14:13.12nkuttlerAcedip: why is that still relevant?
14:13.22Geek`N`Proud`yeah, you are only limited by the number of PIDs that can be in existence currently
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14:13.59Geek`N`Proud`VPS hosts run 100s of VEs without slowdown
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14:14.51Geek`N`Proud`and Linux Containers will be fully in mainline soon, which may even replace chroot eventually xD
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14:15.45nassoGeek`N`Proud`, okay. is Linux Containers very different from OpenVZ? or its not even a virtualization technology?
14:15.55S_AHi! Is there anyone who has rdesktop working with eToken Smart card support. ??
14:16.34Geek`N`Proud`nasso, it's different in how it's used and it isn't considered 100% production-ready
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14:16.45Geek`N`Proud`but otherwise it's intended to do the same job
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14:17.28nassoGeek`N`Proud`, ok. couldnt find anything about i on wikipedia. guess its really "cutting edge"? :)
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14:18.37Geek`N`Proud`nasso, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lxc-containers/
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14:18.56Geek`N`Proud`that's an up to date bit of info on it
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14:19.31nassoGeek`N`Proud`, yeah, found that one. thanks. ibm is a really good source. has lots of interesting articles in there
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14:21.17nassoGeek`N`Proud`, i have lots of stuff to read now. thanks alot for this discussion. it is so much giving to actually discuss the subject with someone that knows it then to just google "linux security" :)
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14:22.00nassoGeek`N`Proud`, when searching google, it helps to know what you are searching for
14:22.38Geek`N`Proud`true =]
14:23.56enoufnasso: also see lguest in the kernel docs, as it pertains to kvm (came late into convo)
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14:24.17nassoGeek`N`Proud`, i found a google techtalks video about OLPC, where the person responsible for the security of the device talks about the virtualization used. going to watch that now.thanks again for the help. are you around here often? ;)
14:24.51Geek`N`Proud`I am usually
14:24.55nassoenouf, thanks for the tip. added to me "to read" list :)
14:25.28nassookay. gonna have to hang around here more often
14:25.37nassolaterz. then. thanks all who helped me
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14:33.49tritcheyhi all. I'm trying to install lenny on on a dell poweredge 1950. The install goes well, but when I reboot into the system, I get errors such as mount: mounting /dev/root on /root failed: No such device, along with /dev /sys and /proc, and then it puts me into (initramfs)
14:34.42tritcheyit has a perc raid controller, and is using lvm. I've tried googling the error, but haven't found anything yet that seems to speak to it
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14:37.16enoufwow - http://linux.dell.com/distributions.shtml debian woody is mentioned, lmao
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14:37.49enouftritchey: is /boot on a non-lvm partition?
14:38.08tritcheyI don't believe so
14:38.24harktritchey: does vgchange work?
14:38.28tritcheyI just set up a dom0_root LV for /
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14:39.34fantonio_brhello
14:39.54jrk_i downloaded debian installer for win32 (from http://goodbye-microsoft.com/) but it doesnt add enty to bootmenu
14:40.15jrk_but i have grub installed
14:40.18enoufjrk_: did it install grub?
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14:40.26tritcheyhark: vgchange is there
14:40.28enoufrun update-grub
14:40.31jrk_no
14:40.51jrk_i have grub on ntfs from suse installer
14:40.53enoufand/or dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version
14:41.22tritcheyhark: vgchange -a y says both LVs are now active
14:41.34jrk_i can choose grub from winxp bootmenu
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14:41.50enoufbackwards to me
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14:41.58harktritchey: exit and see if it boots now
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14:42.21jrk_and boot "kernel (hd0,0)/debian/linux initrd (hd0,0)/debian.initrd.gz"
14:42.21gmapare there any "light" sound players for debian? I am making an app and would like to play sounds for alerts.
14:42.51harkgmap: aplay
14:43.02jrk_everything looks ok bat installer in one moment says that there is no harddisk detected
14:43.33gmaphark is aplay built in to debian or is it something I have to install?
14:43.53jrk_so i booted one more time with "root=/dev/hda1" option added to kernel line in grub
14:44.13jrk_but installer still says there is no hd
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14:45.02fantonio_br  I need to know a step by step for creating packages. Deb?
14:45.10fantonio_brI found several methods but without any link.
14:45.12fantonio_br?
14:45.17harkgmap: it's part of alsa-utils, is generally available
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14:45.36tritcheyhark: no change. After the loading, plase wait... the next line says the two logical volumes are now active (which I believe it said before, IIRC)
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14:46.15enoufjrk_: i don't know/remember how to tell the xpoop ntldr to chainload grub (ask ##windows), but i know the inverse method
14:46.23tritcheyon a side note, this installed lilo as opposed to grub (that was the only option in the netboot installer)
14:46.46jrk_i think that i do not add some option to kernel
14:46.50fantonio_br?
14:46.52simonrvngrub 0.9X does that fine, the other way you have to edit some profile thingy in "System"... POS, PITA
14:46.56enouftritchey: yes, lilo is needed for lvm (mdadm, crypt ) combos
14:47.05harktritchey: that's because you chose /boot in lvm
14:47.19simonrvnerm, i meant grub1 there ;)
14:47.19enoufright
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14:48.07tritcheydo you think putting /boot into a non lvm partition might help?
14:48.23abrotmanenouf: jrk_: i've seen links in google .. should be easy to find
14:48.24enoufto use grub, yes
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14:48.47varlondpkg, !tell me etch->lenny
14:48.47dpkgi haven't a clue, varlon
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14:49.01enoufpretty sure grub-pc (gub2) can do /boot on lvm though
14:49.11simonrvnvarlon: /msg dpkg
14:49.21varlonyeah
14:49.22simonrvnand drop the "!tell me"
14:49.25varlonI now I see
14:49.31varlonthanks
14:49.35simonrvnthe syntax is "tell me about"
14:49.50enoufand you forgot "about"
14:49.58enoufheh
14:50.07simonrvn!slowsmite enouf
14:50.10simonrvn;p
14:50.18simonrvng'morning
14:50.28enoufmorn' ;-)
14:50.31jrk_i have problem becouse i have 1 pc with working winxp and 2nd with debian lenny but network isnt working in linux
14:50.31jrk_i decided to reinstall debian (i have no time and skills to fix it myself)
14:50.31jrk_i have no cdrw and no floppy so only option is win32-installer
14:50.31jrk_i connected harddisk with linux to computer with winxp
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14:50.37simonrvn...
14:51.18DustyDingohm, i installed libgphoto2 and gphoto2 from source
14:51.48DustyDingonow the frontend libgphoto, can't load the shared library /usr/local/lib/libgphoto2.so.2
14:51.53fantonio_br  I need to know a step by step for creating packages .deb ?
14:52.04simonrvn!nmg
14:52.04dpkgrumour has it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>
14:52.14simonrvnfantonio_br: ^^^
14:52.59DustyDingogphoto2-config --libs however prints "-L/usr/local/lib"
14:53.21DustyDingoany idea, how to give the right path to the lib?
14:53.23fantonio_brsimonrvn: ?
14:53.35simonrvn!tell fantonio_br -about nmg
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14:54.21nanonymechuckles at the 'rumour has it' part
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14:57.14fantonio_brsimonrvn:  Find the documentation
14:57.42simonrvnum, read what the bot told you.
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14:58.12simonrvn...
14:58.14enouffantonio_br: .debs from debian sources?
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14:59.05enoufoh, <package basics> is referred to - doh
14:59.46fantonio_brsimonrvn: yeaH
15:00.23simonrvnis there something you're not understanding about what the bot told you?
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15:06.27fantonio_brsimonrvn: He is clear and direct me
15:06.48asulaohello, on a lenny/32bit trying to compile an amd64 kernel using: "fakeroot make-kpkg --arch amd64 --initrd kernel-image", but I get: "make[1]: amd64-linux-gcc: Command not found". is there a package for gcc amd64?
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15:07.36twobitspriteasulao: you might have to debootstrap yourself a build env
15:07.36fantonio_brsimonrvn:  The problem is that now I read the documentation but could not adapt to my need which is to generate a package of apache alone without the apr and apr-util
15:07.54gmapwhats the best way to connect to the internet with a gprs modem in debian?
15:07.54simonrvnwhy would you do that?
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15:08.15asulaotwobitsprite, but that wouldn't solve the issue either, as my current kernel is not amd64, but 686
15:08.39asulaotwobitsprite, trying to get to boot into an amd64 kern in lenny
15:08.47fantonio_brsimonrvn:  To setar different flags for both
15:08.54blubberdiblubasulao, try adding this option to make-kpkg: --cross-compile=-
15:09.09simonrvndifferent what flags? and why?
15:09.25twobitspriteasulao: you mean... you are on a amd64 system, running 32bit debian, and you want to move to 64bit?
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15:10.17asulaotwobitsprite, I am on lenny/686, trying to get to boot an amd64 kernel
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15:10.42asulaotwobitsprite, well yes, like you said it
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15:11.03fantonio_brsimonrvn: I need setar the flags of directories and configuration of php
15:11.09asulaoblubberdiblub, that seems to compile ok, but I guess the gcc being used is 686 version? will that build an amd64 kernel correctly?
15:11.36blubberdiblubasulao, yes, that's the way i'm doing it
15:11.39fantonio_br<PROTECTED>
15:11.51asulaoblubberdiblub, k thanks a lot
15:11.53simonrvnfantonio_br: you building php for yourself? did you check backports.org?
15:12.32asulaoblubberdiblub, btw I'm doing this because I can't get to boot amd64 on my system using kernel image from the debian repo. does this work for you?
15:13.15blubberdiblubasulao, i'm not sure, i usually only use my home-rolled kernels
15:13.37asulaook
15:13.50simonrvnfantonio_br: why didn't you build php as packages? wouldn't that solve the problem? ;)
15:14.15fantonio_brsimonrvn: Yes
15:14.57blubberdiblubasulao, btw, if you later need to use module-assistant to compile additional modules, you have to set the environment variable KPKG_ARCH for it. like this: KPKG_ARCH=amd64 m-a yourcommand yourparameters
15:15.11simonrvnyou are aware that doing that yourself, you're responsible for any updates.
15:15.15tritcheyhark: putting /boot on a non lvm partition worked
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15:15.36simonrvnyou have to put /boot on a regular partition if you have lvm /
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15:16.58fantonio_brsimonrvn: What is generating the best package or install via apt?
15:17.13simonrvni'm not understanding the question
15:17.38simonrvnfantonio_br: oh you mean what's a better choice?
15:17.58fantonio_brsimonrvn: What is your choice to generate the package or install via apt?
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15:18.29\amethystif the version in Debian's repository works for you (remember that you can change the config files), use that
15:18.41simonrvnme? i just get whatever is in the repo. one less thing to deal with - i hate micromanaging stuff.
15:19.10S_AHi! Is there anyone who has rdesktop working with eToken Smart card support. ??
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15:19.56\amethystif you need different compile-time features from what debian provides, I'd recommend to get the debian source package (apt-get source php5), edit debian/rules to change how it is built, and build your own version of the debian package
15:20.53simonrvnyes, that's what i was implying before, heh
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15:21.39Ethoshi, i'm getting; Feb 27 13:39:19 intranet /etc/mysql/debian-start[4204]: /usr/bin/mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect
15:21.51fantonio_brsimonrvn:  Yes I will!
15:21.55EthosWhen starting mysql... any ideas?
15:22.36fantonio_brsimonrvn: Thank you for your attention and understanding.
15:23.13\amethystEthos:  have you removed any users or permissions in mysql?
15:23.26simonrvnnp
15:23.40EthosI've moved the database over from an old server with mqldump
15:23.59\amethystEthos:  was the old computer also debian?
15:24.16Ethosold server is mandrake 9.1 and new one is ubuntu 8.10 server
15:24.31\amethystEthos:  it sounds like you'll need to grant debian-sys-maint@localhost access to your copied databases
15:24.44\amethystEthos:  hm
15:24.59Ethosyeah, the thing is if I use phpmyadmin and go to privs the debian-sys-maint user account isn't there
15:25.00\amethystEthos:  did you copy the mysql database over?
15:25.03Ethosyes
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15:25.09Ethoseverything else is working fine
15:25.19EthosThe live site is running a treat, it's only when I restart it I get that error
15:25.23\amethystEthos:  so create one... look in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf  to see what you should use as the password
15:25.36EthosI've already done that :)
15:25.44EthosI have the password, not quite sure what to do next
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15:26.03\amethystEthos:  moment
15:26.06Ethos:)
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15:28.03drraidIs there a list of hashes for the binaries shipped with debian?
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15:28.25drraidor anyway I can know to verify my binaries (like ls/ps etc) are the same?
15:28.35drraidas what they should be, that is
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15:28.49Eulexdrraid, debsums.
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15:29.01stewdrraid: yes, /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.md5sums and debsums will help you verify them
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15:29.23\amethystEthos:  my debian-system-maint@localhost user has most of the privs, including super_priv, but not the _view, _routine, and create_user privs
15:29.24drraidwill those actually have them for the binaries or just the deb packages?
15:29.50Ethos\amethyst how do I even see if I have that user?
15:29.54EthosI have a feeling it's not on this system
15:30.11\amethystEthos:  connect to mysql as root and   select * from user where user='debian-sys-maint';
15:30.20\amethystEthos:  in the `mysql` DB
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15:30.27drraidahh i see
15:30.28drraidthanks
15:30.31Ethosok, 2 secs mate
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15:31.50Ethos\amethyst: it just says "Empty set (0.00 sec)"
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15:32.35\amethystEthos:  you have the password that was in debian.cnf, right?
15:33.04Ethosyes
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15:33.44drraidThank you for the help guys
15:34.05drraidmay I ask if anyone is running lenny x86 to cross ref a md5sum?
15:34.19drraidjust one, two at most?
15:34.40drraider I guess I can just download the package nm
15:34.52\amethystEthos:  so create a new mysql user... does phpmyadmin let you do that?
15:35.12tomodachi\amethyst: you can create one in mysql directly
15:35.25\amethystEthos:   replace into user set host='localhost', user='debian-sys-maint', password=password('XYZZY'), Select_priv='Y', Insert_priv='Y', Update_priv='Y', Delete_priv='Y', Create_priv='Y', Drop_priv='Y', Reload_priv='Y', Shutdown_priv='Y', Process_priv='Y',  File_priv='Y', Grant_priv='Y', References_priv='Y', Index_priv='Y', Alter_priv='Y',  Show_db_priv='Y', Super_priv='Y', Create_tmp_table_priv='Y', Lock_tables_priv='Y', Execute_priv='Y',
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15:36.06\amethystEthos:  where XYZZY is the password from debian.cnf
15:36.10Ethosah right
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15:36.17Ethoswhere would I do that? Sorry, I don't quite follow :)
15:36.25Ethostomodachi, can you?
15:37.00\amethystEthos:  the command-line 'mysql' program, or anywhere phpmyadmin lets you enter SQL/DDL code
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15:37.03boltls
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15:37.18bolter. yep. please give me a directory listing, #debian
15:37.28Mox`hi, why can't I run "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64"? it says "no package will be installed" :S
15:37.33drraidi love you guys
15:37.37omryanyone knows if it's possible to boot from an HD linked to a pci sata controller?
15:37.46\amethystEthos:  after that you'll need to do    flush privileges;  so that you the change takes effect
15:37.54boltMox`: and what does it say before that? we need the first error, not the last one
15:38.13Ethosthanks
15:38.14Ethos:)
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15:38.36Mox`bolt, it says nothing else :S i'm trying to download that kernel version, but I can't? :S
15:39.04Thomaschaafhow do I set the server name?
15:39.05\amethystEthos:  depending on the precise version of mysql, the needed privileges might be different; I found those in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst
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15:39.10enoufMox`: using etch?
15:39.16Thomaschaafusing etch
15:39.17Ethosah ok
15:39.17Mox`enouf, lenny
15:39.18Ethos:)
15:39.23enoufpasss it -t etch-backports
15:39.32enoufoh
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15:40.20enoufMox`: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list -- and have you followed the guides in the /topic? new install, or dist-upgrade?
15:40.41Mox`enouf, just installed the system and now i'm trying to compile my own kernel
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15:42.06boltMox`: why are you trying to compile your own kernel?
15:42.12enoufinstall linux-2.6 pkg?
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15:42.43enoufjudd versions linux2.6 --arch amd64 --release lenny
15:42.43juddenouf: linux2.6 --
15:42.50Mox`bolt, trying to make it smaller
15:42.53enoufjudd versions linux2.6-amd64 --arch amd64 --release lenny
15:42.53juddenouf: linux2.6-amd64 --
15:42.57enoufbah
15:43.01boltMox`: running out of harddrive space?
15:43.34Thomaschaaffound it had to edit /etc/hostname and after that execute /etc/init.d/hostname.sh
15:43.35abrotmanjudd: versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 --release lenny
15:43.35juddabrotman: linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17
15:43.37Mox`bolt, not really, just want everything I don't need, gone from the kernel
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15:43.53boltMox`: why? most of it is modules anyway
15:43.55abrotmanMox`: that's a really silly idea
15:44.04Deepa^workI find it rational and sane
15:44.09Deepa^workIf you know nothing will change
15:44.23Mox`abrotman and why is that? :O
15:44.35boltsighs
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15:45.14themilljudd: kernels
15:45.15juddthemill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
15:45.17themillabrotman: ^^
15:45.20abrotmanwhy do you need a silly face?
15:45.38abrotmanthemill: not that important to me .. wish there were a helpful webpage for it though
15:45.42abrotmanlike for the kconfig stuff
15:45.51themillabrotman: write one!
15:45.56nanonymethemill: I wish that 2.6.28 got into unstable soon. :)
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15:45.59ThomaschaafWait no that didn't work :( hostname -a now gives me back hostname: Unknown host
15:46.14themillnanonyme: it is for amd64. Stay tuned for other archs
15:46.17jackwebHello! How many CDs is needed to install Debian with GNOME?
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15:46.25abrotmanthemill: IIRC there is a wiki page started
15:46.35jackwebIs it possible to burn only one?
15:46.51themillabrotman: for Judd? Piccy?
15:46.59abrotmanthemill: and the judd factoid in dpkg is busted
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15:47.13nanonymethemill: Oh. Cool. Well, I'm using testing anyway. Just was hoping for it to get to unstable so it would start making its way to testing. :)
15:47.30ThomaschaafNo help for me :(
15:47.38nanonymethemill: Probably only the stock one though and not the virtual machine patches kernels?
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15:48.31themillabrotman: ahh... "help" should have been "list". Fixed.
15:48.52themillnanonyme: nfc. Check packages.debian.org.
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15:50.07nanonymethemill: Search for linux-image doesn't give anything over 2.6.26 there for unstable.
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15:50.34nanonymeAm I using the wrong keyword? :)
15:50.42themillnanonyme: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-2.6.28
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15:51.34mischief6uh...can anyone tell me what this is..? ls: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: Error 23
15:51.58themillbad news
15:52.57mischief6:(
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15:53.36azeemmischief6: boot a rescue system
15:53.51mischief6can't
15:53.57azeemmischief6: or rather, what does /lib/libc-2.* say?
15:53.58nanonymethemill: Hmm, right. Apparently it only shows the 2.6.26 ones if you omit version numbers... Thanks for correcting me.
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15:54.11mischief6azeem, what do you mean what does it say?
15:54.18azeemoutput of that command
15:54.24azeemput it on a pastebin
15:54.38themillnanonyme: there are probably too many hits due to all the kernel variants that are thre.
15:55.16nanonymeMaybe.
15:56.32mischief6azeem, bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory
15:56.49simonrvnfun
15:57.00azeemmischief6: ok, then try a reboot and otherwise restore from backup or reinstall
15:57.16azeemmischief6: what's the uptime of the system?
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15:57.28nanonymeOut of interest, which Debian version is this? Sid?
15:57.31mischief615 hours azeem
15:57.51azeemdid you have this problem before?
15:57.55mischief6nah
15:58.00azeemthen see above
15:58.00mischief6i am stress testing it actually ^^
15:58.05azeemwhat
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15:58.10mischief6trying to figure out how to keep it working under stress
15:58.25azeemmischief6: maybe next time tell us the vital information FIRST??
15:58.28nanonymeWhat kind of a stress are we talking about?
15:58.30mischief6:(
15:58.45mischief6well, it's a VPS with 384MB of memory
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15:58.48azeemso just reboot
15:58.48nanonymeFork bombs? ;)
15:59.07mischief6i have apache2-mpm-worker + mod_fcgid + php-cgi, and mysql5
15:59.24mischief6i am using JMeter to simulate 1000 requests over the course of a minute
15:59.37mischief6memory useage maxes out, but at idle it is around 100MB
15:59.41simonrvnnow he tells us ;)
15:59.44mischief6:D
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16:00.02azeemmischief6: well it's not funny, you're wasting the time of the people doing support here
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16:00.32mischief6i am not trying to waste time...what is causing those errors while under stress azeem?
16:00.41azeemstress?
16:00.41nanonymemischief6: Running out of memory?
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16:00.57mischief6hmm, good point, memory might do it
16:01.08nanonymemischief6: Also it's possible you effectively fork bombed yourself.
16:01.18mischief6i didn't forkbomb anything.
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16:01.21nanonymeIf the server works by forking processes.
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16:02.09mischief6ah yes, apache forks, but not terribly so
16:02.11azeemmischief6: what's the apache process limit?
16:02.25mischief6uh, 4 i think.
16:02.33azeemok
16:02.48azeemmischief6: you're doing a apache stress test, but don't know what the process limit is?
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16:03.11TokenGothHi, I'm trying to do auto installs of Lenny using the preseed.cfg and while I've mostly got it working well, I can't get the installer to set the hostname of the machine... can anybody point me in the right direction?
16:03.14mischief6azeem, i have 'StartServers' set to 1, but there are four processes.
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16:03.57mischief6at leas that is the way it appears azeem, htop's tree view confuses me.
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16:04.10funzlhi all, i'm trying to make fusesmb work, but althought i'm in group 'fuse' and the module 'fuse' is loaded, i can't see anything... any ideas?
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16:05.07smellydoghi, after an synaptic update, I cann't access internet. looks like gethostbyname failed.
16:05.20csk_hi all! i have a little question and i need advices
16:05.38smellydogping works fine, wget anything return a unable to resolve host address
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16:05.41csk_my wireless dev is having problems with wpa
16:05.57csk_the strange think is that with usb wireless dev it works perfect
16:05.59petermhi, how do i change my library path for a single program call?
16:06.11csk_any suggestion?
16:06.15petermi want to add a directory to the search path just for one call
16:06.22azeemcsk_: we need more infos
16:06.30azeempeterm: LD_LIBRARY_PATH
16:07.18csk_azeem: ok ... mmm .., when a i try to connect with wep it works fine
16:07.21smellydogcsk_: env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/your/path yourcommand
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16:07.31azeemcsk_: what chipset?
16:07.35csk_smellydog: ?
16:07.37azeemcsk_: what do you get in syslog?
16:07.49smellydogasus K8N
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16:08.06smellydogazeem: asus K8N
16:08.14csk_azeem:  Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (, that is what you mean?
16:08.23azeemsmellydog: eh?
16:08.35smellydogazeem: I'm using eth0
16:08.42azeemsmellydog: why are you talking to me?
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16:08.54azeemcsk_: yes
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16:10.25csk_azeem: and ... with usb dev it work
16:10.31csk_azeem: xD
16:10.59csk_azeem: i connect trough NetworkManager
16:11.06csk_comes with ubuntu (sorry :P)
16:11.15azeemthen please ask in #ubuntu
16:11.17csk_azeem: based on debian
16:11.29azeem!based on debian
16:11.29dpkgYour distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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16:12.20smellydogI cann't access Internet after an update.
16:12.26csk_azeem: ok ok, i tried in ubuntu too ..., but i think it ins't an distribution problem i debianitas knows normally a bit more
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16:13.42csk_azeem: i thougt it could be a driver problem?
16:13.49csk_azeem: it is possible?
16:13.53azeemcsk_: uhm, didn't you get the memo?
16:14.13azeemcsk_: in any case, Ubuntu has different drivers
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16:14.48csk_azeem: ah ... ok ok, you think it is a distribution problem?
16:15.13azeemfirst off all, I think you're off-topic
16:15.26csk_azeem: ok, yes i am, sorry ...
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16:15.59petermthx azeem, smellydog
16:16.07Acedipdoesnt lenny come with synaptic package manager
16:16.14Acedipby defaut
16:16.15azeemAcedip: it does
16:16.27nanonymeazeem: Interesting point btw: how much can you tweak your Debian (as in, add drivers, add packages etc) until it's different enough you could say it's a fork. :)
16:16.47csk_azeem: thx for the patience, you are right ... off topic
16:17.14csk_bye ;) ...
16:17.19Acedipazeem: but i installed it and i dont have it..lemme show u the screenshot
16:17.35azeemAcedip: installed what?
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16:19.23Acedipazeem: debian 5
16:19.33azeemAcedip: did you select the desktop task?
16:20.04Acedipazeem: there is no desktop task, it says system there
16:20.12kaarlo`afk
16:20.26azeemAcedip: there is, during installation
16:20.32azeemAcedip: are you running gnome or kde?
16:20.41Acedipazeem: gnome
16:20.50smellydogHi, my synaptic cann't fetch deb from server.
16:20.59azeemAcedip: what happens when you un "synaptic" from a gnome-terminal?
16:21.00abrotmanwhat's the ereror?
16:21.39Acedipazeem: "synaptic" says command not found
16:22.17smellydogMy error is "Could not resolve mirrors.163.com'
16:22.38icebrainsmellydog: i don't you change the mirror in sources.list ?
16:22.51icebrains/i/why/
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16:24.58Acedipazeem: well ??
16:25.03smellydogafter an update using synaptic, I cann't resolve any Internet address, no matter "wget" or "firefox", but the ping command can resolve address.
16:25.22harkAcedip: what does dpkg -l synaptic |tail -1 say?
16:25.43icebrainsmellydog: are you sure ping can resolve any address?
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16:26.15smellydogwhile the updating cause error, an error said "Could not connect configuration ..."
16:26.35Acediphark: un  synaptic   <none>   (no description avialable)
16:26.39mischief6azeem, i've fixed it so that memory doesn't cap :D
16:26.55harkAcedip: so it's not installed
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16:27.15smellydogicebrain: yes, I can ping mirrors.163.com, it's IP is 60.191.81.189
16:27.17Acediphark: so, then ?
16:27.59smellydogbut "wget mirrors.163.com" got unable to resolve host address ...
16:28.08Acediphark: but is it not supposed to come bundeled up ?
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16:29.32_entr0pydid you do fresh install or upgrade?
16:30.00harkAcedip: no, i guess then
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16:31.00smellydog_entr0py: are you talking to me? I'm doing a upgrade, my system is sid.
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16:31.38azeemAcedip: what does "aptitude install gnome-desktop" say?
16:32.05harkgnome pulls it in
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16:32.27icebrainsmellydog: I would try to change the DNS server... but I don't really know, sorry
16:32.29harkwhile the desktop task depends on gnome-desktop-environment
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16:33.04azeemhark: on both
16:33.11azeemat least here
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16:33.41foetushello world
16:34.18smellydogicebrain: I just using python socket.gethostbyname, got the correct result, so I don't think it's a dns server problem, but thank you all the same.
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16:34.53jamesstanleyCan anyone tell me what HAL does? Do I need it if I'm not running a DE?
16:35.12Acedipazeem: well i just did "aptitude install synaptic" , it said 0 remove , 0 newly installed , 224 to be removed,and 560 will be freed
16:35.20smellydogicebrain:The last failed update operation updated libc6, I feel some bad :(
16:35.20MeliorWhat am i doing wrong here? http://pastebin.com/d2a441c1 "says **** Can't open patch file ../vsftpd-debian-patch-stuff : No such file or directory"
16:35.21harkazeem: yeah, see it now :)
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16:35.26Meliorwhat should i be?
16:35.33azeemAcedip: I didn't tell you to do that
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16:37.51Acedipazeem: started that before u told me anything, installing gnome-desktop-environment
16:37.53Acedipnow
16:38.23azeemAcedip: I didn't tell you that, either
16:38.25davbookhi guys, I updated my intel drivers, and I get this error.
16:38.27davbookFailed to initialize GEM.  Falling back to classic.
16:38.36davbookany solution?
16:38.46azeemdavbook: how did you update
16:38.47smellydogAfter update some lib, I always got "unable to resolve host address", anyone can help?
16:38.48harkdavbook: what kernel?
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16:38.55azeemsmellydog: which lib?
16:39.02foetusIs there a way to manage RPMs over the Debian Package Management, maybe APT ? -- With original rpm i fear about broken dpendencies..
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16:39.10azeemfoetus: not really
16:39.17Acedipazeem: sorry..missread the line..
16:39.23davbookhark:  2.6.26-1-686
16:39.28_entr0pyYou can convert RPM packagaes, but can't really 'maanage' them @ foetus
16:39.36_entr0pyman alien
16:39.39davbookazeem: experimental
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16:40.18azeemdid you upgrade the rest of X as well?
16:40.21smellydogazeem: I don't remenber all, but include libc6
16:40.28mxmxhi cana nyoen tell me how to kill roundcube??
16:40.29davbookazeem: yeah.
16:40.40azeemsmellydog: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
16:40.41davbookazeem: now I come back to sid, however.
16:40.46mxmxi tried killall -9 wcube but doesnt work
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16:41.19davbookazeem: the problem is that 3d rendering doesn't work [for example in urban terror]
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16:41.29acidchildwhat package is 'ls' 'find' etc in?
16:41.38harkdavbook: need 2.6.28 for gem support afaik
16:41.52smellydogazeem: result is "ii    libc6    2.9-3    GNU C Library: Shared libraries"
16:42.15davbookhark: so, have I to update my kernel?
16:42.19azeemsmellydog: that version isn't supported here
16:42.27harkdavbook: no
16:43.08davbookhark: how to downgrade my intel drivers?
16:43.12davbookto get 3d working ?
16:43.14_entr0pycoreutils @ acidchild
16:43.32smellydogazeem:so where should I go for help?
16:43.38azeem_entr0py: please use the customary addressing format: "nick: text"
16:43.48azeemsmellydog: dunno, just don't install unstable next time
16:43.53_entr0pyokay
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16:44.54harkdavbook: 3d should still work, what's the output of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |head ?
16:45.05csk_azeem: ?
16:46.09davbookhark: http://rafb.net/p/IXq34p65.html
16:46.20mischief6anyone know offhand on how to control MySQL thread count?
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16:46.37foetusI compile from source and make packages with checkinstall, with rpm-packages they were (un)installed fine, but with debs i have errors about missing files (config), but these files (especially in /etc) are in content and listed in conffiles..
16:46.57azeemfoetus: make proper .debs
16:47.10foetusso what is wrong?
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16:47.55foetusthe rpms are working fine..
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16:48.37azeemfoetus: looks like a checkinstall issue? See whether there's an appropriate chan somewhere
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16:49.20Acedipazeem: well since i had started the "aptitude install gnome-desktop", so it went on and installed many things, but still i cant see synaptic anywhere
16:49.35harkdavbook: looks ok
16:49.42hannes__hi, for ~4 days now i get occasional hard freezes with debian testing. nothing in any logs i could find. anyone got an idea how to debug this?
16:49.58azeemAcedip: what does "dpkg -l synaptic | tail -1" say?
16:50.18davbookhark: uhm aren't problem in Can't open configuration file /home/davide/.drirc: No such file or directory.
16:50.22davbook?
16:50.31foetusazeem: maybe not. i have converted from rpms with alien, directly created debs are failing..missing files, but they are in content
16:50.38harkAcedip: gnome-desktop or gnome-desktop-environment?
16:50.44Acedipazeem: its not installed..
16:50.47harkdavbook: not an error
16:50.56azeemAcedip: and "dpkg -l gnome | tail -1" ?
16:51.12davbookhark: however, urban terror doesnt' work :(
16:51.15davbookneither openarena
16:51.16azeemfoetus: so what is the error message exactly?
16:51.19Acediphark: first did the"gnome-desktop-environment" then also did "gnome-dekstop"
16:51.21davbookneither anythin'
16:51.38harkAcedip: aptitude install ~tgnome-desktop
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16:51.45Acedipazeem: it says "un  synaptic  <none>   no descriptioon available"
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16:52.18Acediphark: done..
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16:53.09azeemAcedip: what does "tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop" say?
16:53.30azeembetter yet, tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop | grep gnome
16:53.38harkAcedip: you should have it now
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16:53.46foetusazeem: in package squid messages like "/etc/squid/mime.conf.default no such file" and similar (only configfiles) for example..
16:54.05azeemfoetus: what do you mean with "in package squid"?
16:54.16azeemfoetus: what command do you run when this error occurs?
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16:54.28Acedipazeem: gnome-desktop-environment
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16:54.33azeemhrm
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16:54.40azeemthat's weird
16:54.52Acediphark: dont have it..
16:55.02foetusit is a self compiled one, not from the debian distribution. sorry.
16:55.08azeemAcedip: what does "apt-cache show synaptic | grep Version" say?
16:55.21azeemfoetus: ehm, so fix it?
16:56.04petermcan anybody recommend me a graphical gdb frontend?
16:56.08Acedipazeem: no output
16:56.12foetuscould take hours..:)
16:57.05harkdavbook: does it run slow or give an error?
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16:58.47azeemAcedip: then likely your sources.list is not setup correctly
16:58.52azeemAcedip: did you install from CD?
16:59.19foetusazeem: sorry, i 've forgotten your question..it was a simply dpkg -i package.deb
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16:59.40azeemfoetus: pastebin the complete output
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16:59.57Acedipazeem: yes..i had first downloaded image with the torrents available at debian, but they dint work then had to get it from ftp..
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17:00.30azeemAcedip: well, downloading packages over the internet was not setup, did you have no network during the installation?
17:00.42foetusone moment, i must recreate the package again..till later
17:00.42Acedipazeem: i had
17:01.07Acedipazeem: but said no for setting mirrors thing
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17:01.16azeemAcedip: well then, there you go
17:01.31azeemsynaptic was apparently not included on that CD, so it can't be installed
17:01.43Acedipazeem: i'd thought setting mirros would take really long
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17:04.17darethacedip So you need to setup your apt-get sources so you can get synaptic?
17:04.23stonedgood morning
17:04.30stonedhappy friday!
17:04.37Acedipdareth: okk..how?
17:04.47darethfile /etc/apt/sources.list
17:05.04valdynpeterm: ddd
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17:05.54darethacedip I take it you just installed Lenny.. is that right?
17:06.04Acedipdareth: yes..
17:06.30darethjust a sec, I get line for the file for you.
17:06.52petermthx valdyn, this looks major
17:06.57azeempeterm: nevimer, but apparently it's not in Debian yet
17:07.19harkAcedip: /msg dpkg sources.list
17:07.33darethacedip  backup your sources.list, make new sources.list file containing these lines.
17:07.52darethdeb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
17:07.54azeemoops
17:07.57azeempeterm: nemiver
17:08.17darethdeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
17:08.20darethdeb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
17:08.22darethdeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
17:08.36darethput those two lines in the /etc/apt/sources.list file
17:08.49dareththen as root type: apt-get update
17:09.00darethafter that runs sucessfully apt-get install <package>
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17:09.09petermthx azeem, this looks quite basic
17:09.34foetusazeem: curious -- now it seems to work :)
17:09.44azeempeterm: what are you trying to do?
17:10.43petermazeem, i'm tring to debug an multithreaded+multiprocess application which uses async io
17:10.44Acedipdareth: getting confused here..do i add these lines to the /etc/apt/sources.lst file with captioning the default lines..
17:10.46petermand crashes -.-
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17:11.55darethacedip You can rename your orig file, then make a new file with just those two lines.
17:12.05darethalways good to keep your orig files.
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17:12.17darethcd /etc/apt
17:12.17Acedipokk
17:12.23darethmv sources.list orig_sources.list
17:12.33dareththen edit a new sources.list and add those lines.
17:13.29foetusazeem: i must check this out, so lets leave this, like it is..but what's with the Management of RPMs under Debian? I case of future errors with deb-packages.
17:13.49foetusIn case
17:13.59darethoff to lunch, later god luck acedip
17:14.27Acedipokk :(
17:14.52darethfoetus I think there is something called alien helps with RPM on Debian..
17:15.40foetusdareth: these packages are converted alien-rpms
17:16.26foetusdareth: but alien is only for converting, not for managing..
17:16.39Acedipdareth: the "apt-get update" failed..
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17:25.39foetusfoetus is back -- rpms are working, debs not, sometimes configfiles in /etc are present and sometimes not, with rpms there is no problem, curious..
17:25.53magesingHi everyone. I just did a fresh install of Debian, and I'm trying to set up my printer (brother MFC 8440). When I bring up the CUPS web-interface, and try to add the printer, it hangs saying "waiting for localhost" how can I fix this? Thanks.
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17:31.02Acedipazeem: hark any help.
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17:34.30azeemAcedip: any help for what?
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17:35.32nanonymeHey, what's the Debian way to change libGL.so etc to the right ones? Manual symlinking?
17:35.52Acedipazeem: well the last thing we talked about, i dint set up the mirrors and things etc..
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17:36.21Acedipazeem: and even after editing the sources.lst file, cant get the mirrors wrkign
17:36.21azeemAcedip: so do that
17:36.33azeemso pastebin the error
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17:38.43jellynanonyme: debian repackaged third-party modules usually deal with it using the dpkg-divert mechanism, I believe
17:38.49MeliorWhat am i doing wrong here? http://pastebin.com/d2a441c1 "says **** Can't open patch file ../vsftpd-debian-patch-stuff : No such file or directory"
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17:39.25Acedipazeem: pastebin.debian.net/29405
17:39.33Acedipazeem: http://pastebin.debian.net/29405
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17:39.55jellynanonyme: so ideally you never deal with vendor's libs manually, but /msg dpkg nvidia
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17:41.47sasaluwhich debian file has  instructions on where the files in a package should reside in the filesystem ?
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17:43.48azeemAcedip: well, what does the error say?
17:43.57isihow can I check my root filesystem at boot time?
17:43.58azeemAcedip: "Could not resolve 'us.debian.org'"
17:44.07azeemAcedip: so you typed in a wrong server name
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17:45.14nanonymejelly: Well, I was mostly trying to reset stuff. Manually installing xserver-xorg-core from /var/cache/apt/archives did it.
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17:45.48nanonymeApparently Debian currently has *no* sane way of installing X server 1.5. :P
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17:46.02Unode-[work]hi everyone
17:46.03dju`hello, is there a way to list installed packages that "belongs" to a specific repository / source URL ? thanks
17:46.05nanonymeUnstable has 1.4 and experimental has a prerelease of 1.6.
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17:46.12Deepa^bumbackports?
17:46.14Unode-[work]can anyone try the sniffit package in lenny?
17:46.15Acedipazeem: yupp
17:46.34Unode-[work]I'm getting segfault in non-interactive mode
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17:46.49TheJH@dju, you could use synaptic and select the specific source, od dont you have it?
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17:47.07dju`TheJH: I don't have X
17:47.26azeemdju`: then try to construct a grep-dctrl query, maybe
17:47.27jellynanonyme: yes, you're too late for 1.5
17:47.58Acedipazeem: but i still couldn't understand, how come synaptic was not installed..and also there is "system" in the place of "desktop"  on the top panel..
17:48.07nanonymejelly: Doesn't kinda matter though. It's just the only stable X server version atm.
17:48.15azeemAcedip: because it's supposed to say "system"
17:48.20nanonymeI'll upgrade to 1.6 when it's done.
17:48.36azeemAcedip: and because you refused to setup package installation over the internet
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17:49.45jellynanonyme: lenny will live with 1.4 for the next two years, it better be stable
17:49.57nanonyme:P
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17:50.09nanonymejelly: The word is obsolete.
17:50.11m0zzzyhi
17:50.20m0zzzyhow to change framebuffer resolution on the fly?
17:50.23nanonymejelly: And another is broken.
17:50.26Acedipazeem: but now since even the update is also complete, i dont have synaptic..
17:50.32jellynanonyme: file a bug report.
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17:50.40azeemAcedip: which update?
17:50.48azeemAcedip: did you fix your sources.list now?
17:50.55Acedipazeem: yes..
17:50.56nanonymejelly: Why can't they just pull the version from upstream where the bugs are fixed?
17:51.13azeemAcedip: then install the desktop task properly via "aptitude install ~tgnome-desktop"
17:51.17azeemor what it was
17:51.30foetusquestion -- how can i prevent apps from installing in apt or aptitude?
17:51.37zophywhen will debian 6.0 be released, and will it be debian 6.0 or debian 6.X ?
17:51.40jellynanonyme: have you told them about the bugs you experienced?
17:51.45azeemfoetus: please rephrase your question
17:51.48magesingHi everyone, I'm trying to install my printher through the cups web-interface, but it hangs at "waiting for localhost" when I click continue in the add printers screen of the cups web interface, How can  I get past this, thanks.
17:51.51azeemit doesn't make much sense as-is
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17:52.02zophywhen will debian 6.0 be released, and will it be debian 6.0 or debian 6.X ?
17:52.12azeemzophy: not known yet
17:52.14brettpchdoes anyone know of an easy way to install TPROXY in debian Lenny?  I can't seem to find any documentation for it
17:52.17zophywhen will debian 6.0 be released, and will it be debian 6.0 or debian 6.X ?
17:52.26azeemzophy: please don't repeat questions
17:52.27zophyi am lagged, oh boy
17:52.30gparent_zophy, in 274 months and it will be 7.12
17:52.30jellyazeem: it's a troll!
17:52.32foetusazeem: sorry for the marking..
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17:52.41Acedipazeem: its asking to get 380mb archives..will that all be downloaded from the net..
17:52.55azeemAcedip: sure
17:53.14zophy19% packet loss
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17:53.25Acedipazeem: i'm new to debian, can u just clear a few basic doubts..
17:53.29nanonymejelly: Not really. I just assumed that since the previous release had X server 1.4, this would have 1.5 and the next 1.6. :)
17:53.38sasaluwhich debian file has  instructions on where the files in a package should reside in the filesystem ? I am a newbie
17:53.39zophyazeem, sry, wireless confusion
17:53.39azeemAcedip: please direct questions to the whole channel
17:53.44Acedipokk.
17:53.59boltzophy: irc does not piggyback. check your client
17:54.09azeemsasalu: the file location is in the .deb itself
17:54.14jellynanonyme: ah.  So you didn't report any bugs but expected them to be fixed.  Interesting.
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17:54.35TheJH@dju: /var/lib/apt/lists could help...
17:54.35TheJH@dju: together with ls /var/cache/apt/archives/
17:54.39nanonymejelly: I expected Debian to pull new versions of software from upstream.
17:54.58jellyand they did!
17:55.14foetusazeem: for example: i wonna replace oldstable squid (2.6.STABLE5) with an RPM-Installed squid (2.6.STABLE17)
17:55.18nanonymeYes, into experimental. Nothing got into unstable let alone testing.
17:55.24Acedipazeem: but just this one, if i'd have said yes to the mirror setup during the installation, then would it also download these no (380mb) of archives over the mirror..
17:55.29sasaluazeem: yes it will be in the .deb file, but how does it get in there ... does the package creator mention the details in a debian metadata file ?
17:55.38azeemAcedip: I guess so, yes
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17:56.10azeemsasalu: .debs are constructed from a staging directory
17:56.35jayeolawhat's that package that lets you view the file system as a planetary system?
17:56.39azeemAcedip: if you don't like that, get a DVD from somewhere or so
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17:57.01Acedipazeem: okk :)
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17:57.27foetusazeem: so i must prevent squid from installing in apt or aptitude..
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18:00.04azeemfoetus: why?
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18:00.16Federico2bye
18:00.20omryhi. I moved my sysetm to a new hard drive. including everything. I now get an error like "Cannot stat resume device" at the beginning of the boot. after I press enter the system boots correctly. I scaned etc and boot for the name of the resume device its looking for (hda5) but and change any reference I found to the new hard drive swap (sda2). but my system still looks for hda5 on boot, I suspect it's hard coded into the initrd image. any
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18:00.25azeemfoetus: are you saying you want to directly install the .rpm on your file system?
18:00.45sschello folks! i'm trying to build a debian package which should as well add a system user. how would i do this best?
18:01.11TheJHssc: do you have experience in building packages?
18:01.25sscTheJH: a little.
18:01.40omryssc, adduser in your preinst script can work.
18:01.43sscTheJH: i thought about putting it into a postinst script.
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18:02.10TheJH@ssc: I would do it the same way.
18:02.18omrykeep in mind that you may want to hard code the uid and gid
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18:02.30sscomry: why?
18:03.09jellyssc: you can always steal code from anything in grep adduser /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst ;-)
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18:03.13foetusazeem: in case, that apt or dpkg not recognises the RPM-Installation and overwrites or destroy it, for example
18:03.15omryit may or may not matter, but if you don't your system user will have different uid on different systems.
18:03.30omryif those systems are accessing each other over nfs, for example - it will be an issue.
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18:03.54sscomry: ah! alright thank you. ;-)
18:03.58azeemfoetus: consider looking at equivs
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18:04.01sscjelly: nice tipp :)
18:04.17jellyssc: clamav-base, for example
18:04.32sscjelly: i greped over apache2 sources but i couldn't find an adduser, but i suppose www-data is a standard user meanwhile.. ;)
18:04.32foetusazeem: i wonna install rpm directly, yes
18:05.25omryhow do I rebuild the initrd image?
18:05.42ryan-canyonw know how to get xscreensaver/kscreensaver to log successful password entries?
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18:06.24azeemfoetus: it's a stupid idea of course, but as I said, look at equivs
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18:08.10foetusazeem: right, i know, its not the "clean" way, but i try it :)
18:09.13twobitspriteis there a way to get VNC to share the same X server/display as is on the screen?
18:09.42foetusazeem: thanks for your help, i'm looking for alternatives..nice day :)
18:12.04TheJH@two: I have experienced that VNC controlled the active display all the time - the person who wanted to use the pc was really confused. but i think thats not normal...
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18:12.35TheJHit was KNOPPIX where this happened
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18:14.37twobitspriteTheJH: hmm... yeah, that's not how it normally works.. with like tightvnc is launches a separate X server
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18:15.28boltx11vnc lets you control the active display
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18:18.05peterrooneyx0vnc also lets you connect to an active display
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18:18.18twobitspritebolt: I don't see a package for that... would it be xvnc4 maybe?
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18:18.29twobitspritenm... I'm blind :P
18:18.39mxmxcan anyone tell me hwo to  kill the roundcube process?
18:18.46utabakhi all, I have a strange problem down here, I have a file named R_1_1 when transfered from Windows XP to Lenny, the 1st letters of some of the files are converted to r, I could not find the reason, any ideas??
18:19.09MiR_kill roundcube - whats roundcube?
18:19.15mxmxsome webmail serivce
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18:19.31MiR_don't know - to kill - ais
18:19.34mxmxapparently is buggy and has more holes than swiss cheese
18:19.37jayeolapkill -f roundkill ?
18:19.43MiR_kill -9
18:19.48mxmxi tried...
18:19.59MiR_-9?
18:20.01mxmx<PROTECTED>
18:20.05mxmxbut it didnt work
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18:20.15nubcakehi there, if i do a cfdisk /dev/sdh i get partition 3 ends in the final partial cynlinder.  ive tried cfdisk -z, fdisk, dd bs=512 count=2 etc, and nothing seems to let me wipe out the partition table. gparted reports run chkdsk /f in windows, but windows just locks up if i plug drive into it.
18:20.18MiR_kai - drop dead
18:20.19mxmxgooole told me to do that
18:20.54MiR_see top - zombie?
18:21.03nubcakekill -KILL pid#
18:21.36peterrooneynubcake: you could always nuke from orbit with dd if-/dev/zero of=/dev/sdh bs=whathaveyou count=smalnumber :)
18:21.44TheJHnubcake: do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdh", this wipes ALL
18:21.54MiR_kai
18:22.14nanonymemxmx: If you want to use the program name, you need pkill.
18:22.27nubcakethejh: doing dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdh bs=512 count=2 will wipe out the mbr and parition info, do it all the time if windows has issues with a partition table.
18:22.31frostschutznubcake: what does file -s /dev/sdh say after dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdh bs=512 count=2? it should say only 'data', instead of x86 partition table, i.e. it should wipe unless sdh is read only somehow
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18:22.54MiR_killall isn'tthat "kill"
18:22.55nubcakebut this particular drive it says it wipes so many bytes.. but the partition table info is still there.
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18:23.04mxmx2ok
18:23.06mxmxso
18:23.18mxmxpkill -9 wcube ?
18:23.31utabakhi all, I have a strange problem down here, I have a file named R_1_1 when transfered from Windows XP to Lenny, the 1st letters of some of the files are converted to r, I could not find the reason, any ideas??
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18:23.48jfm3Hello #debian.  I'm trying to figure out how to make my own netboot.tgz from sources.  If anyone could aim me at the scripts used by repository creators it would help.  Thanks in advance.
18:24.01TheJHnubcake, you havent mounted partitions from that disk? i think this could cause trouble
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18:24.23MiR_utabak: rename
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18:24.42darethany luck acedip ?
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18:25.06twobitspriteutabak: you mean, the first letter of the filename? not the first character of the file contents, right?
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18:25.19nubcakefrostshutz: it states x86 boot sector and it lists the partitions still.
18:25.28nanonymeI don't think Windows filesystems are case-sensitive in any case.
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18:25.41Acedipdareth: "aptitude install ~tgnome-desktop" , so getting around 380mb archives...
18:25.44nubcakethejh: no i have not.
18:25.50utabaktwobitsprite: yes the 1st char of the filename quite strange some files are remaining as they were
18:26.02MiR_utabak: what fs?
18:26.06nubcakefrostshutz: and when i usb it, it states sdh Write Protect off
18:26.15twobitspriteutabak: this is because Windows is case insensitive, what are you using to transfer them?
18:26.22utabakMiR_: from ntfs to ext2
18:26.24utabakMiR_: from ntfs to ext3
18:26.26utabaksorry
18:26.29MiR_twobitsprite: depends
18:26.43MiR_ntfs isn't?
18:26.45utabakstick
18:26.49alegriaduring the installation of lenny is it recommend to leave the dvbt card (pcmcia) inside the notebook or is better to put it in the notebook after the "base system" is installed???
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18:26.53nanonymeMiR_: I think it is, yes.
18:27.15nanonymeCould check though.
18:27.16TheJHalegria: i would leave it inside
18:27.16MiR_nanonyme: miho too
18:27.23MiR_imho
18:27.29utabaktwobitsprite: stick
18:27.32nanonymeOh, that's actually "fixed".
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18:27.49twobitspritewhat is stick?
18:27.54nanonymeNTFS indeed is case sensitive like any sensible file system. :)
18:28.16utabaktwobitsprite: usb memory stick device ;)
18:28.28KavanSNTF-what?
18:28.39Chousukenanonyme: I thought it was case preserving but not case sensitive
18:28.47nanonymeChousuke: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/100625
18:28.47alegriaTheJH: Thanks. I will do so...
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18:29.12enoufit's not case-sensitive; ntfs like fat/fat32 sucks ass
18:29.18mxmxnanonyme i think it worked
18:29.29mxmxhow can I make sure it's stopped?
18:29.33enoufnor do either understand unix perms
18:29.37nanonymeenouf: Wrong, read that link.
18:29.59enoufnanonyme: you believe evrything mpoop writes?
18:30.01MiR_Chousuke: who knows.. ;)))
18:30.06Chousukeenouf: NTFS has a very flexible permissions system though.
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18:30.28nanonymeTrue.
18:30.30enoufChousuke: not UNIX permissions!
18:30.31MiR_Chousuke: nice say
18:30.34Chousukeenouf: much more flexible than UNIX permissions, actually, but also that much more difficult to use.
18:30.40enoufno, it isn't
18:30.41nanonymeenouf: UNIX permission system isn't flexible.
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18:30.52nanonymeAt least as is.
18:30.53enoufyour mother is though
18:30.58mxmxwow
18:31.01mxmxvery mature
18:31.04Chousukeit's trivial to emulate unix permissions with NTFS though
18:31.13enoufok, have fun - emulate
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18:31.30azeemenouf: please keep it on topic
18:31.40amphiheh
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18:31.48enoufazeem: yes, you're correct - my bad
18:32.10nanonymeCourse there's extensions to UNIX permission system that make it more flexible but it's not really that flexible as is.
18:32.23MiR_oh they are
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18:32.59MiR_but they do what they are supposed to do
18:33.01Sanefor some reason, eth0 isn't comning up on boot, and I have to enable it manually via ifup eth0
18:33.09Saneany idea what might be causing this?
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18:33.20MiR_Sane: hows /e/n/interfaecs
18:33.27enoufSane: 1st check /msg dpkg 70
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18:33.58enoufSane: then rgrep eth /etc/initramfs-tools/
18:34.28enoufbut, could be a dhclient issue, or /msg dpkg interfaces
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18:34.51MiR_Sane: desktop/network manager    or     ....
18:34.57Saneenouf: its a static IP, no DHCP
18:34.59darethcan someone explain the hotplug instead of auto on the eth interface...
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18:35.12darethreally sucks to restart networking remotely and not have your nic come back up.
18:35.16SaneMiR_: no desktop, its a headless server
18:35.25enoufSane: everything i mentioned appiles
18:35.29Sanedareth: yeah thats why
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18:35.35xstHow safe is it to upgrade from etch to lenny? That is: How afraid should I be of things breaking down?
18:35.36MiR_hotplug is quite nice for things you put there later... RTFM
18:35.43enoufSane: is ifupdown pkg installed?
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18:36.03Saneenouf: I think so, I can do ifup/down
18:36.13MiR_Sane:  auto there?
18:36.23enoufSane: no, the /etc/init.d/script and it's runlevel inks
18:36.23SaneMiR_: how can I check
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18:36.48enoufdareth: allow-hotplug does just that
18:37.21Saneenouf: I don't see anything related to networking in /etc/init.d/
18:37.56MiR_Sane: forget about that now, there's likely no error
18:38.04Saneok, so what do I check
18:38.05enoufSane: are you even using debian
18:38.10Saneenouf: yes
18:38.21enoufwhich one, kernel is?
18:38.36Sane2.6.18-6-686
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18:39.15nubcakeif i plug a usb drive into debian, i presume i should see info under /proc/bus/usb ?
18:39.29MiR_Sane: /e/n/interfaces check for auto ethX
18:39.35enoufSane: /msg dpkg z25
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18:40.00enoufunless you also have upgraded to lenny and are stuck on a .18
18:40.02VorgI get a ACPI I/O resource conflict when I try to use a built kernel. on a new install. I don't get it with the default kernel. Don't know what I'm missing.
18:40.18MiR_he's on etch
18:40.23MiR_andahalf
18:40.34SaneMiR_: yeah
18:40.35enoufnot with a .18
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18:40.41uzbekhi everybody!
18:40.44MiR_no?
18:40.47enoufno
18:40.58Sanealso, e/n/if has iface eth0 inet static
18:40.58MiR_what'si in eaah
18:41.00enoufetchnhalf == .24
18:41.19Sanemust I add auto eth0?
18:41.25MiR_Sane:  but watch out for "auto"
18:41.28nubcakesane: yes
18:41.32enoufVorg: you need some more practive building kernels
18:41.34uzbeki'd like to turn off system beep sound. The command is "xset b off". How can i make debian to remember this command and execute during booting? thanx!
18:41.39MiR_yepp auto eth0
18:41.39enoufs/v/c/
18:41.45TheJHnubcake: yes, but with lsusb, it looks better and you can display it shorter
18:41.50enouf!bell
18:41.50dpkg"xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console .  For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode.  "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions.  See also <shell beep>.  or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module
18:41.55VorgI've done it lots of times. this is the second system with the same board but a newer kernel
18:42.25enoufthat means nothing
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18:42.46VorgThis doesn't tell me much: nForce2_smbus [0x1c40-0x1c7f] conflicts with ACPI region SM01
18:43.19nubcakethejh: ok, well lsusb shows my jimicron usb sata, but the /proc/bus/usb folder is empty,  trying to figure out where to find more info on this usb device. i know ide its /proc/ide/drive etc.
18:43.50TheJHlsusb -v lists more information
18:44.01TheJHincluding driver used etc.
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18:46.33GhostlyDeathAnyone happen to have a copy of linux-kbuild-2.6.28?
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18:51.10MiR_GhostlyDeath: why? www.kernel.org
18:51.46stewGhostlyDeath: it doesn't exist
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18:53.35GhostlyDeathMiR_: Need to build some modules
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18:55.47MiR_GhostlyDeath: you can do so easily with the original source
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18:59.44Vorgno one knows anything?
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19:01.57MiR_Vorg: eminently?
19:02.00GhostlyDeathVorg: We know nothing except what we know
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19:03.46tzikuHello, how can i recover my root password ?
19:04.17amphitziku: you can't
19:04.32MiR_tziku: boot w/ kernel parameter init=/bin/bash
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19:04.53MiR_tziku: that way you can set a new one
19:05.03tzikuok thanks MiR_
19:05.07tziku...let's see
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19:05.44julianwhen my dual core laptop comes out of hibernate only one core is active. this is no problem as a wake up from pm-suspend remedies the problem immediately. however after suspend /proc/cpuinfo reports just one core, while lshw reports the correct number, 2.
19:05.52nanonymeLive CD's and chroot do the trick too.
19:06.06julianany ideas how to force cpuinfo to re-count the cores?
19:06.18MiR_nanonyme: they and other ways do, if...
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19:06.40eth01hackeron: :)
19:06.52MiR_julian: /proc neverer soes
19:06.52nanonymeMiR_: If we assume the hard disk is unencrypted or how did you plan to end the sentence? :)
19:06.57MiR_julian: ..does
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19:07.31MiR_nanonyme: :) there are ways on a system. if...
19:07.37MiR_:))
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19:08.14MiR_physical access means access, often.. :))
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19:08.40nanonymeMiR_: Physical access to encrypted hard disks isn't that useful though.
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19:08.57MiR_oh, you're right.
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19:09.49aikhi. I recently installed lenny on an old laptop that I want to use as aserver. The problem is that it automatically suspends/hibernates after a while? How do I change that setting? (I already googled, of course)
19:10.43dondelelcaroaik: really depends on what laptop it is; most won't if they're plugged into the mains
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19:11.57nanonymeaik: Is there a GUI in the system?
19:12.11nanonymeI only remember where to set the stuff in Gnome.
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19:12.40aiknanonyme: no gnome, It's a 400MHz machine
19:12.52nanonymeHrm.
19:12.55tzikuMiR_ i boot how you say and now he ask me for the root password for maintenance or Contrl-D to skip this root password. But i can write or give Ctrl+d i think is a problem cos i have my keyboard on USB
19:12.59DeSianby compiling bluefish-unstable receive this error http://paste.pocoo.org/show/105796/ the xml.lib and gettext is installed. what is need more?
19:13.17aikdondelelcaro: It's plugged in, but it just turned off... the screen didn't  even come back on. I can just ssh into it
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19:13.33nanonymetziku: Just get a Live CD, mount the hard disk, chroot into it and run passwd.
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19:13.57nanonymeMost straightforward way to reset systems.
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19:14.09nanonyme(Also works for fixing severely borked ones)
19:14.27dondelelcaroaik: what type of machine is this?
19:14.32tzikuok thanks i'll try
19:15.07aikdondelelcaro: Old compaq presario 1278, K6 processor...
19:15.40MiR_tziku: sounds like a init 1 boot not a init=/bin/sh, sure?
19:15.41utabakMiR_: exit
19:16.06aikde
19:16.31aikdondelelcaro: is there no central setting in debian that I can change?
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19:17.23dondelelcaroaik: no, because there's no central setting that does that
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19:18.10dondelelcaroaik: the various laptop power daemons can, but they generally don't by default if you're on the mains
19:18.41xstDamn!!! Just upgraded from etch to lenny and now my server (which is co-located *far* away) come up after reboot
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19:18.47nanonymedondelelcaro: Hmm, if they're daemons, can't you also just prevent them from starting?
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19:19.07dondelelcaronanonyme: sure, but you're better of modifying their configuration
19:19.11xstxst: That is: it did not come up after reboot
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19:19.29nanonymexst: Why reboot? :o I don't think there even was a kernel upgrade between Etch->Lenny.
19:19.29dondelelcaroxst: that's why you always have a serial console
19:19.36dondelelcaronanonyme: yes, there is.
19:19.41nanonymeOh?
19:19.48dondelelcaro2.6.18->26
19:19.55nanonymeHrm.
19:20.00nanonymeRight right.
19:20.08dondelelcaro(and there have been quite a few kernel upgrades during the lifetime of etch)
19:20.30nanonymedondelelcaro: Kinda sucks if 30 doesn't get into Lenny imo.
19:20.41dondelelcaronanonyme: uh... it won't?
19:20.42xstI am completely screwed with this crash. Damn
19:20.47nanonymedondelelcaro: Indeed.
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19:21.12nanonymedondelelcaro: It would have given 2D acceleration for all users with currently new ATi cards. :)
19:21.31dondelelcaroespecially considering that 2.6.30 isn't even released. Hell, .29 isn't even released yet.
19:21.59nanonymeYeah, well. I'd be happy if even .28 got in.
19:22.11aikdondelelcaro: It does have acpid running...
19:22.37nanonyme(Though very likely I'll just end up compiling my own kernels later on again)
19:22.43dondelelcaroaik: then check its configuration; it'll be something like /etc/power or /etc/acpi/; someone else may have a specific pointer
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19:23.11dondelelcaronanonyme: lenny doesn't get new versions of anything. [Well, there are a few minor exceptions...]
19:23.25nanonymeHrm.
19:23.31arezeyminor?
19:23.38arezeyaren't they the critical ones that get in? ;)
19:23.48dondelelcaronanonyme: so waiting for a new version of the kernel will mean a long wait. When it does go into unstable, there's a likelihood of someone backporting it
19:23.58nanonymeOh, right.
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19:24.18arezeyunless ye uses testing
19:24.31nanonymearezey: We're talking of testing. :P
19:24.41dondelelcaronanonyme: no, we're talking about stable
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19:24.50nanonymedondelelcaro: Oh, I forgot the name changed.
19:25.01Blah78Hi, anyone knows if there's some way for dpkg to handle dependencies? I'm making a custom package wich has dependencies but dpkg -i package.deb won't handle them and just throw an error.
19:25.03nanonymedondelelcaro: Sorry, I was speculating on what would get to Squeeze.
19:25.08arezeyheh
19:25.22dondelelcaronanonyme: probably 2.6.28 will get there eventually
19:25.27nanonymeRight.
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19:25.35nanonymeThat's probably enough for now for me.
19:25.39foetusproblem with debs and configfiles in /etc is solved, i have forgotten the dpkg --purge option, debs are workin now -- thanks again for the help of azeem :)
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19:25.42dondelelcaroBlah78: you just install it using dpkg -i, and then finish the installation using aptitude or similar.
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19:26.51Blah78Yeah that's what I was doing so far... dpkg -i package.deb and then apt-get -f install, but I thought maybe there's a... more elegant way to do that :D
19:27.00dondelelcaroBlah78: all dpkg knows is how to verify that the dependencies are installed and to actually install the package
19:27.03foetusmaybe it helps --
19:27.17dondelelcaroBlah78: the more elegant way is to use apt-ftparchive or similar to create your own miniature apt archive to install the package
19:28.04Blah78oh but that's really an overkill for this simple standalone app, it's not even going to be installed on networked computers.
19:28.25nanonymedondelelcaro: I'd also be very happy if someone explained the xorg progression experimental->unstable->testing to me some day. :) It seems unstable still hasn't gotten a version of xorg 7.4 while experimental has already started getting pre-release packages of components of xorg 7.5.
19:28.26dondelelcaroBlah78: it's actually really trivial, and doesn't even have to be accessible through the network
19:28.42dondelelcaronanonyme: packages don't automatically progress from experimental to unstable
19:28.45Blah78really? ok will research on that then, thanks
19:29.03nanonymedondelelcaro: What's required, really?
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19:29.59dondelelcaroBlah78: see http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/build_archive; for an example of how to build the archive. Basically, you mkdir /path/to/somewhere; cd /path/to/somwewhere; put debs in; build_archive; add deb file:///path/to/somwhere ./ to your sources.list, and have a martini
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19:30.53dondelelcaronanonyme: people in the X team would have to make the upload of xorg 7.4 to unstable. I'm not sure what their plan is, but they may be planning on skipping 7.4 and going with 7.5. I'm sure they'd love to have more people helping with the team though, if getting 7.4 in unstable is something that you'd like to see.
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19:32.26nanonymedondelelcaro: It's not that I need exactly 7.4, it's just that the X server in 7.3 causes corruption for me with VT changing. Thus I use experimental packages. (which are currently broken since they're being migrated to 7.5 pre-release components)
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19:34.57dondelelcaronanonyme: actually, experimental has 7.4 versions in it, not 7.5.
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19:35.33dondelelcaro(7.4~5 is a version that comes before 7.4)
19:35.48nanonymedondelelcaro: Actually that's an internal version cheat. ;) The version doesn't change to 7.5 until you have everything as 7.5.
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19:36.07nanonymedondelelcaro: X server was iirc something like 1.5.99. xorg 7.5 has 1.6.
19:36.24nanonymeIt pretty much means a release candidate.
19:36.45foetusmeanwile its more and more difficult to find out the difference between stable, testing and unstable for the people..sometimes the "unstable" releases are working better then the "stable" ones and reverse.. i think
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19:37.49nanonymedondelelcaro: That is, xorg 7.5 is just a milestone. Xorg is modular, part of the components will be there far before the version number changes.
19:37.59dondelelcarofoetus: it's actually pretty trivial. unstable often has bugs which are present in stable fixed. However, it also has bugs that are not present in stable, and should never be there at all
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19:38.14dondelelcaronanonyme: sure
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19:38.54dondelelcarofoetus: it's the nature of things that the bleeding edge has got bugs that you'd never want to see in a production version, as well as bugs that affect the production version fixed.
19:38.54tzikuCan i reset my root password using Debian CD - netinst - ??
19:38.59foetusdondelelcaro: exactly.
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19:39.05dondelelcarotziku: you can reset it without even a CD.
19:39.13batcoder-7anyone here use apache with debian ?
19:39.21dondelelcarobatcoder-7: just ask your question
19:39.29batcoder-7how do i generate a ssl cetifciate
19:39.30dondelelcaro!tell tziku -about i forgot root's password
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19:39.37batcoder-7apache2-ssl-certificate <, i don't have this command
19:39.58dondelelcaro!tell batcoder-7 -about self-signed ssl cert
19:40.21tzikuthanks dondelelcaro
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19:41.08dondelelcarobatcoder-7: if you're creating one to be signed by a CA, the process is similar, but you'd usee openssl. Your CA almost certainly has tutorials on how to do it properly.
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19:41.32batcoder-7dondelelcaro, self signed
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19:42.03batcoder-7dondelelcaro, what exactly is the difference between .key and . pem?
19:42.34parodyoflanguageHello.  When I run aptitude it gives me a warning about untrusted source for just about every package I cursor over.  Anyone know why this is?
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19:43.45dondelelcarobatcoder-7: pem is the concatenation of the key and the cert
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19:44.12dondelelcaroparodyoflanguage: because you don't have the gpg key of the signing authority present
19:44.27toxygenhi, getting weird problem. every second time i do su, the shell quits after any button being pressed. but it's only every second time, on odd tries, i can use that shell normally...
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19:44.53batcoder-7dondelelcaro, i see
19:44.54dondelelcarotoxygen: which shell quits?
19:45.05toxygendondelelcaro: any
19:45.19batcoder-7dondelelcaro, can i then copy a .pem file and use it for whatever purpose?
19:45.28dondelelcarotoxygen: uh... you run su from a shell. What them happens?
19:45.43dondelelcarobatcoder-7: yes, but you should protect it, because it contains the private key.
19:45.51toxygendondelelcaro: pasting log, one second
19:45.52batcoder-7yea i know
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19:46.03toxygendondelelcaro: http://codepad.org/aPnaRljG
19:46.21parodyoflanguagedondelelcaro: How do I get the gpg key?
19:46.26toxygenit seems as exit<EOL> was typed automatically
19:46.34toxygenfor some reason
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19:47.12dondelelcaroparodyoflanguage: what source are you using? If this is Debian, isntall the debian-archive-keyring
19:47.43parodyoflanguagedondelelcaro: I'm using Debian EEE :/
19:48.15toxygendondelelcaro: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232630
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19:52.47toxygendondelelcaro: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476519
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19:55.09dondelelcarotoxygen: yeah, looks like it's currently unsolved
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19:56.02ozzloyhow do i count the number of files in directories created 7 days ago?  i'm stuck at find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -mtime 7 -print0 | xargs -0 ls
19:56.28Outlawadd | wc ?
19:56.35toxygendondelelcaro: ok, made my day
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19:56.48blsecresisn't the xargs unnecessary?
19:57.02ozzloyOutlaw: that will count all the files together.  i want an individual count for each directory
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19:58.15blsecreswhat's up with mirroring?  according to the status page almost all of the mirrors are broken but I can't find any further info...
19:58.28dondelelcaroblsecres: use the other status page
19:58.38alessia91i'm an hacker my contact is brunofix@hotmail.it if there are any hacker add me and we will destroy a lot of pc :)
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19:59.18nanonymeThat was a pretty hilarious statement.
19:59.31jelly-homeand likely a joejob
19:59.51nanonymeNaturally.
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20:00.25ozzloyhah
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20:00.33ozzloy"i'm a hacker ..."
20:00.58achilleshello, I wonder if DHCP LeaseQuery is possible , how can I check ?
20:01.06lepine_wI'm ordering a dedicated server, AMD64 quad core PH-9850 ... my provider just called to say that Debian was incompatible ... wth? I certainly have doubts about what they just said ... could there be any explanation?
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20:01.53dondelelcarolepine_w: they're on crack
20:01.56blsecresincompatible == 'not officially supported'?
20:02.06etlepine_w: you could have asked them.
20:02.16jelly-homelepine_w: otoh, it's quite possible that the standard installer doesn't work out of the box with some hardware (especially new hardware)
20:02.17nanonymeblsecres: Could also mean lack of hardware drivers.
20:02.18lepine_wdondelelcaro: they called back ... it's because of the mobos they use
20:02.39etlepine_w: for example, the network chip might be not in debian because it's non-free
20:02.51TheJH!hacker
20:02.52dpkgmethinks hacker is someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html  Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity.
20:02.52dondelelcarolepine_w: lenny should work, and even then, it's still possible to do the install
20:03.02nanonymelepine_w: Don't tell me, Debian has too old kernels for it? :)
20:03.16nanonyme(Ask them the actual requirements)
20:03.35dondelelcarolepine_w: but if worst comes to worst, you can have them do the install with some other distribution on a very small partition, and use debootstrap to install Debian.
20:03.45dondelelcarolepine_w: I just strongly suggest that you have a serial console if you're going to do that.
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20:04.13TheJHi've also got a problem with an too old kernel, someone who knows a backport? I don't want to compile one...
20:04.15nanonymedondelelcaro: Dedicated server usually means he buys hosting from someone else and can't tamper with the server physically.
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20:05.31lepine_wMy rep was unable to say what the problem was exactly, other than 'it's the mobo' ... but just got upgraded  to a core2 duo quad
20:05.41lepine_wyyay
20:06.14nanonymelepine_w: Can you get him to tell you what the mobo is?
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20:07.22hallownamemy dpkg is returning 'no space left on device' with 3gb left... tips?
20:07.48TheJHhallow: do you have /var/cache on another partition?
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20:08.38lepine_wnanonyme: i'll do my best
20:08.54hallownameTheJH: no
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20:09.34TheJHhallow: what says "mount"?
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20:13.32hallownameTheJH: sda1-9 and none are mounted for /var... var is on the / (sda6) and still has 3gb writable :(
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20:14.51TheJHand you have write access enabled? you run dpkg as root?
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20:16.43hallownameTheJH: yup :( confusing isnt it... im sure its something stupid...
20:17.47TheJHand you don't want to install a 4gb-package?:-(
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20:19.53hallownameTheJH: nope only 2mb worth... no other deps...
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20:20.51TheJHto where does the program install? maybe it puts files on partitions that are too small? /etc or /usr or /bin or /sbin? and all are mounted rw?
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20:21.30hallownameall are mounted rw, all files go to /usr which reports 3gb free
20:23.15lepine_wia64 is all of intel 64 bit right?
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20:23.29jackweb_Yeah, I didn't have to ask a question. The problem was solved. ;)
20:23.29hallownameTheJH: im off to tty-land, thx for the [attempted] help :D
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20:23.43etlepine_w: no.
20:23.51TheJHwait a second!
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20:23.54lepine_wet: what then?
20:24.02jackweb_Thanks for being. :)
20:24.05TheJHisn't there a 5%-Limit?
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20:24.10etlepine_w: the "usual" intel 64 bit things (like core 2) are amd64
20:24.13lepine_wgoogle said itanium, nm
20:24.33lepine_wok, cool
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20:24.53lepine_wmost of my machines are all amd64 then ... either deb or ubuntu ... i like consistency
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20:25.50nocturesome OP, GulBenn has an onjoin PM advertising porn :x
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20:26.40toxygenhi
20:26.43toxygenany info on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476519
20:26.46toxygensomeone?
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20:27.10lepine_wtoxygen : does nobody even have a shell>
20:27.24lepine_wiirc it has /dev/null as a shell ... which could explain why it fails
20:27.26cocainethis router, it has arch. I have thumbdrive which onto i want debian installed, NOT as live whatever thing, but for copy to many computers, with tar or rsync yes
20:27.58toxygenlepine_w: well, i forgot to mention, user doesn't matter
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20:28.06toxygenlepine_w: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232630
20:28.14lepine_wand i was wrong, nobody has /bin/sh
20:28.34lepine_wnobody has an invalid home path though
20:28.44toxygenas i said, user doesn't matter
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20:29.04lepine_wi'll try to reproduce
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20:29.31lepine_wit works for me
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20:31.05dondelelcaronanonyme: sure, but even dedicated server providers should have serial consoles
20:31.23nanonymeRight.
20:31.24dondelelcaro(in fact, they definetly should, because they usually have enough machines to make a serial terminal server worthwhile)
20:31.27PierreW_hi guys, how can i set the timezone of debian (global) to cet?
20:31.46dondelelcaroPierreW_: tzconfig
20:31.50nanonymedondelelcaro: It's just the staff might not feel it's very fun to try to hack the server to supporting Debian.
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20:31.57nanonymeIf it was his home server, it'd be different.
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20:32.05dondelelcaronanonyme: that's why you can have them install it on a small partition, and configure it yourself
20:32.22dondelelcaro(or use a dedicated server provider who is willing to)
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20:32.27PierreW_ah deprecated
20:32.30PierreW_thx dondelelcaro
20:32.33xstAfter upgrading to lenny the network interfaces on my HP Proliant server isn't recognized anymore
20:32.39xstWhat can I do?
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20:33.02mmarkeris there a good place to discuss troubleshooting an openvpn setup under debian?
20:33.04dondelelcaroxst: what type of network interface is it?
20:33.11dondelelcarommarker: you can ask questions here
20:33.22toxygenmmarker: #openvpn?
20:33.33xstdondelelcaro: I need to ask the hosting center because currently I cannot reach the server
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20:34.01dondelelcaroxst: and you have it booted from the old kernel? or?
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20:36.09xstdondelelcaro: They are currently trying to reboot the machine using the old kernel
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20:39.24DaSkreechHello I'm having a bit of an issue reinstalling a Debian box
20:39.52DaSkreechI reinstalled and used LVM to get more space on the /var and / taken from /home
20:40.21DaSkreechI also elected to leave some space unallocated from the Volume in case I want to play with sizes later in the future
20:40.22f0ner00tOkay question. How do I mount another drive to an exsisting drive?
20:40.46DaSkreechNow lilo will not mount /dev/mapper/LVMSTUFF-root_ saying it doesn't exist
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20:41.07DaSkreechf0ner00t: You don't mount drives to drives you mount drives to directories
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20:41.23DaSkreechOr more specifcally file systems to directories
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20:41.47Netzpythonhi
20:41.56DaSkreechIs there some known bug with LILO where having unallocated space makes it freak out or something ?
20:42.06nanonymeNot a good idea to have root on LVM.
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20:42.26nanonymeJust a hint.
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20:42.37themillit's ok if you have /boot.
20:42.38DaSkreechnanonyme: It worked fine before
20:42.49DaSkreechthemill: Which I do
20:42.56nanonymethemill: It works if you have /boot but it's still annoying to setup.
20:43.01nanonymeRequires initrd trickery.
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20:43.15themillnanonyme: it is? the debian installer and kernel package manager just did it all for me
20:43.18russian_ulysseshi. can anyone help with skype video receiving problem on debian?
20:43.33mmarkeryea. my eeepc is set up like that. no extra trickery
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20:43.44Netzpythoniam trying to set up (free)NX server on lenny, but obviosly there is no repo. then i build that from src, but now the keymap is completely messed up, anyone a hint?
20:43.45xstdondelelcaro: Now the server came up again, with the old Etch kernel. How can I debug what went wrong in Lenny?
20:43.56DaSkreechnanonyme: So the easiest thing is just to wipe the whole box and start ove r?
20:44.04mmarkerIt Just Worked, which makes me happy
20:44.14DaSkreechYeah it just worked for me
20:44.22batcoder-7still having a time creatng a ssl certificate
20:44.28dondelelcaroxst: you can check out what /var/log/kern.log* has in them
20:44.39DaSkreechI think what happened is on reinstalling this time it asked if I would like to install to MBR or /dev/sda1
20:44.57DaSkreechI said MBR then started wondering why it wanted to install lilo instead of GRUB and cancelled
20:45.00nanonymeDaSkreech: Easiest, yes. Also the most invasive way.
20:45.18DaSkreechthen decided I would go ahead and install anyway since I could use grub after
20:45.19dondelelcaroxst: but just guessing: 1) you have a system that requires firmware and don't have it (or the right version installed) 2) the driver has changed the presentation of the device to udev, and thus its device name has changed
20:45.26DaSkreechWHy does Debian still use LILO btw?
20:45.30nanonymeThe other solution is to hack together the initrd that starts lvm, then mounts boot from lvm, then starts init from root.
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20:45.45dondelelcaroDaSkreech: we have lilo, but the default is grub
20:45.52DaSkreechnanonyme: Why doesn't my initrd do LVM if I did an LVM install?
20:46.05DaSkreechdondelelcaro: It's installing lilo ... oh crap
20:46.09mmarkerI thought grub was standard as well.
20:46.16dondelelcaroDaSkreech: that's because grub doesn't support /boot on lvm
20:46.16DaSkreechI should probably format /boot shouldn't I ?
20:46.25DaSkreechdondelelcaro: It's not
20:46.26dondelelcaroDaSkreech: you want /boot to be a real partition that isn't lvm
20:46.29DaSkreechIt is
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20:46.40DaSkreechI just realized I shudl have formatted that on reinstall
20:46.44DaSkreechAh I'm an idiot
20:46.48DaSkreechBRB
20:47.02dondelelcaroheh; you have a partition that you think is /boot, but isn't actually /boot. ;-)
20:47.22DaSkreechdondelelcaro: Pretty sure it's /boot :)
20:47.31nanonymeThe setup is doable, just untrivial.
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20:47.32DaSkreechJust what's on it is not the boot for my machine :)
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20:47.45dondelelcaroif you didn't format it, or didn't set it up to be mounted on /boot, it isn't
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20:48.17nanonymeDaSkreech: It's fairly untrivial since you have LVM init scripts and LVM inside the LVM partition so you can't start LVM without having another set of LVM on an initrd.
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20:49.02exmachinawhich version of gcc does deb lenny come with
20:49.19nanonyme!info gcc lenny
20:49.21stewjudd: info gcc --release lenny
20:49.21juddstew: gcc (devel): is optional; Version: 4:4.3.2-2; Size: 4.9k; Installed: 64k -- The GNU C compiler
20:49.22themilljudd versions gcc
20:49.22juddthemill: gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 lenny: 4:4.3.2-2 squeeze: 4:4.3.2-2 sid: 4:4.3.2-3
20:49.29toxygengcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1)
20:49.30nanonymeHeh.
20:49.42themilldpkg, you're slow
20:49.42dpkgNo, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1!
20:49.46dpkggcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.2-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
20:49.47bzedexmachina: packages.debian.org will answer such questions, too
20:49.57arinkoWhat does "Feb 24 15:56:09 xxhnaxxht kernel: TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:4932" mean?
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20:50.17arinko(I masked the IP address because I didn't feel it was relevant.)
20:51.17f0ner00tDaSkreech: True Okay I want to mount my external drive to /home/ /var/ /usr/ etc so allow for extra space.. What is the best way to do that?
20:51.43xstdondelelcaro: I don't know if this is relevant but my kern.log shows this error message:
20:51.44xstbnx2: probe of 0000:03:00.0 failed with error -2
20:51.56Netzpythonhmm k.
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20:52.09DaSkreechf0ner00t: What? Choose one
20:52.11mmarkerarinko: xx.xx.xx.xx 4932 never read how to do tcp correctly
20:52.24DaSkreechdondelelcaro: astute. You are correct sir
20:52.28nanonymethemill: dpkg is somewhat moody. :)
20:52.37f0ner00tDaskreech: Can't I spread the wealth out to a couple of the directories?
20:52.44themillnanonyme: hard day at the office
20:52.48f0ner00tDaSkreech: The external drive has 111 gb.
20:52.54exmachinathanks.
20:52.54DaSkreechf0ner00t: how many partitions on the drive ?
20:53.20f0ner00tDaskrech: On the ext drive or already exsisting?
20:53.28arinkoThey've done it on multiple ports -- but what does the error "Treason uncloaked" mean?
20:54.37mmarkerI think it's kinda like "lp0 on fire". It may be serious, or someone is trying to exploit a buggy tcp stack, or sent by a buggy tcp stack
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20:55.22xstHow do I report a bug for the kernel used in debian lenny?
20:55.27mmarkerdepends on what it says after uncloaked
20:55.30arinkolol, I recently read the wikipedia article on "lp0 on fire".
20:55.45[Bart]Hi, I 'm starting a java program on debian, and that status is blocked with : [pid 14483] futex(0x7f3fe59d5834, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 1, {0, 49998959}) = -1 ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out)    looping. Anybody who can help me?   (debian lenny)
20:56.00flo-isbackget grub error 15 on boot , after running fsck  what do i do ?
20:57.02arinko'shrinks window <string_of_numbers>:<string_of_numbers> repaired'.
20:57.47mmarkeryea, it could be someone trying to tie up resources, a DoS
20:58.55arinko(I'm trying to diagnose a server restart.)
20:59.24arinkoAlthough my top-candidate suspect is someone flipping the circuit-breaker.
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20:59.47DaSkreechf0ner00t: on the Ext
21:00.06f0ner00tDaskreech. Its just been formated. No paritions has been addded yet.
21:00.07DaSkreechnanonyme, dondelelcaro: All good now With grub and all :)
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21:00.30DaSkreechf0ner00t: You format partitions normally :) You mean it's been scrubbed?
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21:01.16xstAfter upgrading to Lenny I have this in my syslog: "bnx2: Can't load firmware file bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw".  And this error aparently causes my network adaptors to fail. What can I do about it?
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21:01.40f0ner00tDaSkreech: Agreed.
21:01.46bzedxst: apt-get install firmware-bnx2 from non-free
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21:02.20DaSkreechf0ner00t: ok well put the partitions you want format them use blkid to find the UUID and use that in fstab
21:02.37DaSkreechAnyone knows if coova is available from a debian repo?
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21:02.41mmarkergrrr, need to fix acpid scripts to properly use the freaking power button on the eee
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21:02.53xstbzed: Thanks. But shouldn't that happen automatically as part of the dist-upgrade?
21:03.11bzedxst: no, as the package manager can't guess that you need the module
21:03.25bzedxst: it was split out of the kernel as it is not free :\
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21:03.34DaSkreechIs there some comprehesive search site for debian repos ?
21:03.44bzedxst: should be documented in the release notes, though
21:03.47bzedDaSkreech: packages.debian.org
21:03.52DaSkreechI'll assume that dpkg only does the primary repos :)
21:04.15bzedDaSkreech: what are primary repos for you?
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21:04.20arinkoIf there's a dieing HD, specifically the one that has /var/log on it, is there any log traces that might be left?
21:04.31arinkoare there*
21:04.35DaSkreechmain contrib I guess
21:04.40abrotmanarinko: depends how dying it is
21:04.50f0ner00tOkay thank you I will try that.
21:04.56bzedDaSkreech: ah. not sure if dpkg looks into non-free :)
21:04.59arinkoUnknown -- just worst case scenario.
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21:05.08DaSkreechbzed: contrib is non-free ?
21:05.10bzed!info firmware-bnx2
21:05.18bzedDaSkreech: no.
21:05.31dpkgfirmware-bnx2: (Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtremeII), section non-free/admin, is optional. Version: 0.14 (sid), Packaged size: 102 kB, Installed size: 272 kB
21:05.31DaSkreechok far as I know coova is free
21:05.33bzedDaSkreech: contrib is contrib.
21:05.40arinko(I once had a drive that would crash the system (I think it was controller-related), and when it did I couldn't find any traces in the logs.
21:06.07arinkoI'm just wondering if there's anything that I was overlooking then, that might be relevant now.
21:06.09DaSkreechGrrr
21:06.26DaSkreechWhy is it anytime I want some software debian doesn't have it v_v
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21:06.55Laeborg-lapany programs for linux to stream music to a shoutcast server?
21:07.03arinkoBecause we like our software unpoluted by propriatary junk?
21:07.06nanonymeDaSkreech: Debian does give you nice tools in packaging it yourself though. :)
21:07.08bzedDaSkreech: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ :)
21:07.09batcoder-7how can i ping on a cetain port?
21:07.14batcoder-7certain*
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21:07.17themilldpkg: tell DaSkreech about nmg
21:07.23nanonymearinko: Hey, take a look at Gnewsense before saying that.
21:07.25sepskibatcoder-7, ping is a icmp thing and there is no port.
21:07.33batcoder-7i see
21:07.38bzeddpkg: jump!
21:07.38dondelelcarothough you can do tcp ping...
21:07.38dpkgHow high?
21:07.49Fahbatcoder-7: have a look at tcptraceroute
21:07.49nanonymearinko: They think Debianists aren't going far enough in the anti-nonfree attitude. :P
21:07.54DaSkreecharinko: Non propietary. FOSS packages. I just always seem to want something out of the way
21:07.55stewdpkg: annoy bzed
21:07.55dpkgi haven't a clue, stew
21:08.02stewbah
21:08.11bzednananaaa
21:08.14stewdpkg: irritate bzed
21:08.14dpkgbzed: wenas who uses cable lol
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21:08.18nanonymeDaSkreech: Just install it yourself. You could even package it yourself if you wanted.
21:08.30arinkoI've had similar experiences -- and times when I wanted something that just isn't in the apt database.
21:08.32DaSkreechI knw :)
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21:08.41DaSkreechBut apt is so much sexier than I am
21:08.54needshelpphi, does anyone know how can i repair grub error 22?
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21:09.12nanonymeApt is Goliath, dpkg is David. ;P
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21:11.10DaSkreechExcept that they work for the same army....
21:12.34jamonwhat does that make dselect, the bastard child of luke skywalker?
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21:12.45nanonymeDaSkreech: Kinda like real war. Allies shooting at each other. :)
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21:13.04DaSkreechWith GnuStone
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21:14.36heraclitusi have installed debian 5.0 and then upgrade to unstable, the issue is that the X server driver doesnt have frame buffer object support (opengl extention), is there is way i can upgraade into a newer xorg server
21:14.37heraclitus?
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21:15.24racecar56ok after that tragic bootloader invasion with winblows, i got grub reinstalled with some ubuntu live cd i had lying around. i then booted debian and when i get to the login screen, my monitor instantly kills the display and says OUT OF RANGE, it's an old soyo
21:15.34racecar56and it likes 1280x1024 resolution
21:15.47nanonymeheraclitus: Only the closed drivers do FBO yet afaik.
21:15.57nanonymeOh, I'm wrong.
21:16.04racecar56what am i going to do?
21:16.06nanonymeOnly the closed drivers do FBO on *hardware*.
21:16.47nanonymeswrast can do it.
21:17.02nanonymeracecar56: You'd need to pull your xorg from experimental.
21:17.05heraclitusnanonyme: i am using intel graphics card...
21:17.10nanonymeHrm.
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21:17.27nanonymeheraclitus: I dunno if they have it.
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21:18.02nanonymeheraclitus: Very likely not before Mesa gets Gallium3D.
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21:18.54heraclitusi did see in fedora 10 frame buffer object support for intel cards..
21:19.07nanonymeHmm...
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21:19.33nanonymeWell, Fedora has lots of stuff that isn't in official releases. (and thus in other distros) *shrug*
21:20.18nanonyme(As in, not yet in official releases)
21:20.45heraclitusohh
21:20.48heraclitusi see
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21:21.03heraclitusso probably it isnt stable anyway...
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21:22.48racecar56...
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21:23.25arinkoheraclitus, why would you 'upgrade' to unstable?  And expect it to work?
21:23.35racecar56agreed
21:24.53arinkoI tried unstable once, about 5 years ago....  And ever since I've had the unstable lines commented out of my /etc/apt/sources.list .
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21:25.37arinkoTesting is much more sensible -- and stable, than Unstable.
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21:25.47DaSkreechIt's stable testing unstable right?
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21:26.00arinkoFrom most to least stable.
21:26.06nanonymeActually rather stable testing unstable experimental.
21:26.09arinkoI think there's experimental in there too.
21:26.20racecar56oldstable stable testing unstable experimental
21:26.24DaSkreechwhich is more unstable than unstable ?
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21:26.26stewexperimental is more stable than unstable, but its not a full release
21:26.31heraclitusha
21:26.31racecar56experimental
21:26.33heraclituswait
21:26.40heraclitustesting is more stable from unstable?
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21:26.46arinkoYes.
21:26.49DaSkreechheraclitus: yes
21:26.53racecar56yyup
21:26.55racecar56*yup
21:27.03DaSkreechafter it has been stablized it's tested
21:27.04stewassuming we are going on the working definition of stable we use, which is "how much does it change"
21:27.12DaSkreechonce it's tested then it's known to be stable
21:27.12arinkoI've been using testing for years -- and its had far fewer problems than unstable.
21:27.33themillThere's also the "does it eat babies" definition of stable....
21:27.33arinkoWell, changes introduce bugs.
21:27.40stewwhen testing has problems, it tends to have them for much longer
21:27.45arinkoAnd baby-eating.
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21:28.10stewlike, when big kde and gnome transitions start to happen, those will become hard to use in testing potentially for months
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21:28.16tzikuhello, i have a lot of "Segmentation fault" in console and my system work verry slow...and some sorvices/commands don't work. Help ?
21:28.21heraclitushrmm
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21:28.27heraclitusis there anyway i can go back to stable then ?
21:28.30racecar56sounds like a fork bomb O:
21:28.41arinkoheraclitus:  With much pain.
21:28.47StarkDthe fonts in my openoffice is huge. I got the tip to use "OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome" but it doesn't make any difference. I got a minimal debian 5.0 lenny install with only openbox. any ideas?
21:28.54racecar56hmm
21:29.06arinkoIn my experience, back-migration is more of a headache than reinstall.
21:29.49stewheraclitus: "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" but it is a long and tedious that is not guaranteed to work
21:29.56Tapoutwhat's the 'what provides' thing that dpkg gives...   I'm trying to find out what package has a certain binary
21:30.01racecar56ok after that tragic bootloader invasion with winblows, i got grub reinstalled with some ubuntu live cd i had lying around. i then booted debian and when i get to the login screen, my monitor instantly kills the display and says OUT OF RANGE, it's an old soyo, it's max resolution is 1280x1024 and if its a pixel more it says OUT OF RANGE, what to do? it's impossible to use xorg with that, but...
21:30.03racecar56...i am able to use the terminals (e.g. CTRL-ALT-F1)
21:30.05stewTapout: /msg dpkg apt-file
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21:31.04Tapoutthanks stew
21:31.53tzikuwhen i try to use "rm" i always recive error "Segmentation fault". why ?
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21:34.17icebrainracecar56: you could change xorg.conf using the terminal
21:34.23racecar56ok
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21:34.28racecar56turns on pc
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21:34.43icebrainracecar56: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
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21:35.09Tapoutdpkg hugepages
21:35.10dpkgbugger all, i dunno, Tapout
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21:36.17abrotmanracecar56: is your xorg.conf mostly blank?
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21:37.26racecar56didnt see yet\
21:37.41tzikuHelp ? -> http://pastebin.com/m1b8601b7
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21:38.37racecar56doing a dpkg-reconfigure didnt help
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21:39.21tziku...same segmentation fault
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21:43.06racecar56its still doing it D:
21:43.30racecar56oh and i forgot to say its really important that i get this fixed
21:43.49icebrainracecar56: the link I gave you shows you how to change your resolution and vertical sync in xorg.conf
21:43.58racecar56it dosent work
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21:45.45icebrainracecar56: what's the monitor brand and model?
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21:46.23icebrainracecar56: and what resolutions have you tried setting manually in xorg.conf?
21:47.15racecar561280x1024
21:47.45racecar56what the heck my settings got erased *emacs the xorg.conf*
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21:48.33dondelelcaroracecar56: in theory, you shouldn't need to specify anything in your xorg.conf
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21:49.38racecar56what the heck even when i tell it 1024x768 it dosent work
21:50.00racecar56could it have to do with the grub reinstall? it worked fine before that
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21:51.41KurinSo I have a brand-new debian jail created with "debootstrap lenny lenny"
21:51.48KurinIn it I want to install openssh
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21:52.00Kurin"apt-get install ssh" wants to install, among other things, libx11-6
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21:52.15KurinWhy is this, and what can I do to stop it?
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21:52.47stewKurin: for support for "ssh -X".  if you want to stop it, you'd have to get the source to the ssh package and recompile your own version without X forwarding, if that is possible
21:52.56Kurinah
21:52.57Kurinwow
21:52.57Kurinokay
21:53.01racecar56w00t i fixed it
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21:54.11racecar56i just had to change my screen section to http://debian.pastebin.com/d772fa7d
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21:54.19racecar56wait actually thats wrong
21:54.37racecar56fixed
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21:55.28racecar56double fixed
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21:55.51racecar56anyway do the ati drivers from ati's site work on debian?
21:56.14sepultyes they do
21:56.34renton_hello, i'm on squeeze, when i try to install openoffice.org from sid, it wants to install gcj, but really i already have sun-java and i don't want gcj
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21:57.19sepultbut once and for all, the install manuals won't tell you actually which drivers are for which cards especially if you look for something like X1550
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21:57.47sepultjust series X1300 series X1600 series...
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21:58.13foetusWhen i've installed an RPM from Disk, is this installed package recognized then by dpkg or APT? With all Dependencies?
21:58.22racecar56how can i watch flv files?
21:58.26amphirpm???
21:58.43amphiracecar56: mplayer plays 'em here
21:58.57foetusamphi: Yes, in this case
21:59.02sepultvlc ? ffmpeg ? mplayer ?
21:59.11racecar56i have it and it dosent
21:59.19racecar56mplayer
21:59.20amphifoetus: uses libavformat here
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21:59.30amphier, racecar56 ^^^
21:59.35sepultmaybe you have not the codecs ?
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21:59.53racecar56what codecs?
21:59.59racecar56w32codecs?
22:00.01sepultw32codecs ?
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22:00.40amphino need
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22:02.19tzikuapt-get update
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22:05.22CalebRipleyA question to english: "there is a mountpoint in ...", "there is a mountpoint to ..." or "there is a mountpoint on ..." ?
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22:05.54racecar56i crashed
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22:05.58dkrCalebRipley: "mount point"
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22:06.50User648hey you knows about linux
22:07.03User648particularlly elive
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22:07.25dkrCalebRipley: "on" or "in" depending on what you have elided with your elipses.  "in the filesystem", "in the directory"?
22:08.16dkr!not debian
22:08.16dpkgYour distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
22:09.21tzikuhow can i remove from apt "kept back" list all packages ?
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22:11.08CalebRipleyThank you dkr!
22:11.16renton_how can i know if I installed sun-java6-jdk from lenny or from etch-backports?
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22:11.37LnsCan anyone tell me the most active wiki software in Etch?
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22:12.22dkrLns: I use dokuwiki, if you want detail suage stats, ask dpkg about popcon
22:12.38dkrdetailed usage
22:12.45lepine_wLns: http://popcon.debian.org/ + an apt-cache search wiki
22:12.47Lnsdkr: thanks!
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22:13.11Lnsdkr: would you consider docuwiki pretty easy to use, and stable?
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22:13.29LnsI know twiki is horribly outdated and the twiki guys even say it's got major security holes in etch still
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22:14.08dkrLns: I've had no issues, but I haven't really tried much else
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22:14.40lepine_wif not, media wiki on one most will recognize
22:14.44Lnsdkr: hmm, all i'm pulling up w/an apt-cache search is libhtml-wikiconverter-perl
22:14.52dkralso, i edit the account permissions by editing th file instead of using the web interface.  my own paranoia ( and advantage of only having <20 users, heh)
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22:14.55lepine_wi've never used another, but it seems simple enough
22:15.17Lnsdkr: hmm, nice. I like the low level permissions handling
22:15.22Lnssaves me from having to learn ;)
22:15.27kervanHi. I wanted to upgrade debian lenny to Debian 5.0 Stable. I used  "aptitude upgrade", and there was some updates and downloaded and installed. But now I'm trying "aptitude dist-upgrade" and aptitude says that there is no file to update. Now I want to be sure about which version of debian I'm using. How can I get to know the version of my debian. Thanks for helps.
22:15.44dondelelcarokervan: cat /etc/debian_version; will tell you
22:15.44Lnskervan: /etc/debian_version ?
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22:16.23Lnsdkr: so you have multiple users on docuwiki that can't see each others', huh? That's the kind of setup I'm after
22:16.48kervandondelelcaro: Lns : Thanks a lot. I have debian 5.0 now.
22:17.09dkrLns: yeah, you can assign read/write etc perms per user or group per page or per directory hierarchy
22:17.58dkrLns: it's dokuwiki, btw
22:18.03Lnscourse that means you need system groups.. OH thx
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22:18.26Lnsis blind
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22:18.32dkrLns: no, not unix groups, you can make groups within dokuwiki
22:18.35racecar56brb
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22:18.56Lnsdkr: oh. cool.. and the permissions aren't at the filesystem level then?
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22:19.32dkrLns: no, the acl is separate.  (in /etc/dokuwiki/acl.auth.php )
22:19.44Lnssweet. installing now, thx =)
22:19.55dkror "yes".  negative questions are ignoring in how they can be answered both ways, :)
22:20.04dkrs/ignoring/annoying/ ;)
22:20.46Lnssorry =p
22:21.01dkrnot your fault, english's fault. :) english needs a word like german's "kein" that is an affirmative answer to a negative question
22:21.08kervanAnd I have a problem. On tty1 after I type a command and press enter. Second command line does not correctly get first pressed key. for example When I want to write "sudo" I must press like this "ssudo" This problem is only on tty1, does any body have a idea?
22:21.58dkrkervan: do you have a customized bash prompt?
22:22.31kervanI think I don't have. I didn't do any changes about bash.
22:23.27dkrI'm having a hard time thinking of any ways that behavior can occur. :)
22:23.34Lnskervan: shot in the dark, but is your keyboard layout correct?
22:23.41Lnsmaybe it's having issues with <enter>
22:23.56Lnsnm, that wouldn't be the case if only on tty1
22:24.27kervanLns for a week ago I was using the same layout.
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22:25.54kervanLns: When I'm at tty1, I'going to tty2 and writing some think (with out pressing enter) And coming back to tty1 and the same problem.
22:26.09WX_0Hey, just a very quick question - should X/gdm be ran as root?
22:26.22Lnskervan: weird...no idea myself, sorry :(
22:26.32stonedWX_0, it needs to be  but not 'as' root per se
22:26.45stonedWX_0, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
22:26.56kervanLns : Thanks.
22:26.58stonedor su to root and then do that
22:27.05WX_0stoned: You mean it needs access to root resources, or does it actually need to be ran as root
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22:27.17stonedwhy does it matter?
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22:27.59WX_0stoned: Well, if there's a 0day found in a version of X I'm running, I would prefer it not to be ran as my superuser
22:28.21abrotmanWX_0: i believe GDM should be started as root .. not sure you have any other option .. you could ask the gnome people on irc.gnome.org
22:28.33WX_0abrotman: That sounds like a better idea - thanks.
22:28.45stonedwhat is a 0 day?
22:28.50dondelelcaroWX_0: X has direct access to hardware, so it kind of needs to be run as root
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22:28.55abrotmanstoned: 0-day exploit .. common in the MS world :)
22:28.58stonedoh
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22:29.00stoneddoh
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22:29.09dondelelcaroWX_0: however, since it doesn't need to be network-facing, this shouldn't be a huge problem
22:29.38WX_0dondelelcaro: That's disabled from the get-go - I was just trying to do a bit of system maintenance on my workstation
22:30.00WX_0I think I'll just idle here to help out in bits, rather than go bother the people over @ GNOME IRC
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22:30.12maligorI think X requires root for hw access
22:30.22Blade-hi all
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22:30.30abrotmanthinks don just covered that
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22:30.45maligoroh, heh
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22:30.56WX_0has a feeling more and more users will begin repeating that..
22:31.10dondelelcarothat said, it's been a while since I've heard of a local root exploit for X
22:31.22maligorthe direct hw access requirement might eventually go away tho
22:31.30stonedmaligor, how?
22:31.51WX_0dondelelcaro: Vice versa, but if it's possible to be ran as a restricted user, that's usually preferred
22:32.03Blade-someone can help me pls i hafe a problem to compil fglrx module for deb 5 lenny --> http://rafb.net/p/VX0Y9V44.html
22:32.05maligorstoned, it's the video hw that requires it, eh
22:32.08stonedWX_0, server needs root, clients don't
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22:32.27stonedclients can still run in a restricted env.
22:32.38maligorstoned, there's the slow movement of video stuff into the kernel, like KMS
22:32.53dondelelcaroWX_0: right. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has an effort to try to reduce the size of the code in X that actually needs to be run as root, and I presume selinux can help to also reduce your exposure
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22:32.59maligormodern hardware require DRM for acceleration anyway too
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22:33.21stonedkds you say, I'll look at that
22:33.25stonedkms*
22:34.23lventuraservers in ports up to 1024 don't need to be root permissions
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22:34.37WX_0stoned: My workstation runs both my server and client
22:34.37WX_0But er, I understand your poit
22:34.37WX_0point
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22:35.46stonedمج تفصیل بتاؤ
22:35.59stonedyes!  I can successfully type in urdo in linux now!
22:36.00stonedyay
22:36.18stonedthat means 'tell me more details' :) translations for d-i are going in slowly! ;)
22:36.25stonedfinally man, wow
22:36.41lventurasorry..to open listen in ports OVER 1024 don't need to be root
22:36.56arezeywhat's urdo?
22:37.00abrotmanlventura: he's not saying the ports .. he's saying the hw access
22:37.01arezeynothing on wikipedia about it
22:37.10stonedabrotman, Urdu sorry
22:37.13abrotmanarezey: i think he meant Urdu .. a language
22:37.14arezeyah
22:37.20stoneddo /msg dpkg ur
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22:37.41arezeyدفحدجسفکدگسک
22:38.10stonedlol
22:38.12arezeypretty letters, yah
22:38.32stonednastaliqe is a beautiful script
22:38.41stonedlove it
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22:39.19stonedyou type random stuff or what? it says 'dafhad jusfakud gusk"
22:39.22stonedwhich means nothing lol
22:39.29arezeyuh yeah just typed randomly
22:39.34arezeyi don't know urdu :P
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22:40.04stonedاس لئ بتر یی   تم مج تفصیل س سب  Ø¨ØªØ§ د ;) i'll stop!
22:40.10arezeyheh
22:40.17stonedbefore I get the wrath of the chief special op upon my head
22:40.34sepultstoned: your big font is a problem though
22:40.41sepultstoned: it gets cropped
22:40.48arezeysepult, looks fine here
22:40.53arezeyusing monospace
22:40.59stonedhmm.. looks fine in here too in few diff os
22:41.22blahdeblahstoned: You're making me want to learn Urdu and Arabic just so i can use that cool script!
22:41.29arezeyheh
22:41.29sepultsome parts of the glyphs are not shown here especially above and down of the letters
22:41.29stoned:)
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22:41.32sepulthmmmm
22:41.39stonedstrange
22:41.39sepultmaybe my fault....
22:41.54stoneddefinitley a clientside issue for you, it looks fine for both of us
22:42.03sepultok
22:42.06arezeybesides font info isn't exchanged over irc
22:42.14Blade-someone here can help me a moment pls ?
22:42.19arezey!ask
22:42.19dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
22:42.23stonedbldade ask
22:42.30stonedBlade-, ask the ... nm
22:43.16Blade-compiling fglrx module
22:43.32Blade-sh make.sh give this error --> http://rafb.net/p/VX0Y9V44.html
22:43.41stonedblahdeblah, urdu, farsi, arabic, punjabi all use the same script, but the languages are drastically different, only languages close to each other are punjabi and urdu, but even thats not too common
22:44.28stonedBlade-, what are you doing?
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22:45.32stonedto me it looks like you are trying to build the fglrx kernelmodule ?
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22:45.43stonedAMD kernel module generator version 2.1
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22:45.49debclairhi everyone
22:45.57stonedI've never heard of this, is this from the ati closed drivers?
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22:46.17debclairanyone got the xorg.conf for debian lenny on hp mini note 2133 with 1024x600 resolution?
22:46.17stonedBlade-, why don't you build fglrx using the debian way?
22:46.20debclairby any chance?
22:46.38stoneddebclair, what is the problem?>
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22:46.56Blade-stoned whats the debian way ?
22:46.57debclairstoned, I cant get the 1024x600 resolution on my hp laptop
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22:47.19stonedBlade-, undo whatever you've done uptil now, completely remove fglrx related crap. then /msg dpkg fglrx
22:47.23stonedon irc
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22:47.41stoneddebclair, did you set it in the xorg.conf file?
22:47.56debclairyes, its a common issue with hp mini note
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22:48.08debclairbefore lenny was released, I used ubuntu on it
22:48.11stoneddebclair, so there is no konwn comon fix?
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22:48.22debclairstoned, nop
22:48.23stonedif it is a known issue someone must have come up with a workaround or a fix
22:48.40stoneddebclair, so did you modify xorg.conf to put in your desired resolution in the screen section?
22:49.17stoneddebclair, you can find example xorg.conf in /usr/share/doc somewhere I think or google for a sample file.
22:49.22debclairstoned, no, I replaced the default xorg.conf with one I found at a forum, wich was supposed to work
22:49.26debclairbut it didnt
22:49.31stoneddude come on man
22:49.37stoneddon't do that BS blindly
22:49.47stonedthe point of examples is to learn from them, not use them verbatim
22:49.48stonedc'mon
22:49.56sepultdebclair: why don't you do a simple X -configure or Xorg -configure ?
22:50.17stoneddebclair, get into X, whichever res, use xrandr -q
22:50.19stonedsee what you get
22:50.23Blade-stoned
22:50.23debclairit doesnt work
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22:50.36debclairi dont do things like that
22:50.39Blade-i upgrade debian from 4 to 5
22:50.41debclairthats why I use debian
22:50.42stoneddebclair, go back to default file, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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22:50.48stonedregenerate your file
22:50.53debclairI like learning
22:50.57Blade-xorg.conf works fine before upgrading to 5
22:51.10debclairBlade-, do you have an hp mini note?
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22:51.32Blade-hp mini note ?
22:51.38debclairyeah, a netbook
22:51.47Blade-no its pc
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22:52.00stoneddebclair, rename the xorg.conf to something else, touch a blank one, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will give you a default debian xorg.conf
22:52.20debclairlisten here, stoned, my laptop uses via chrome9 driver
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22:52.35debclairso debian's got to use the openchrome driver
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22:52.42Cybertinushello
22:52.47stonedso put in the driver bit?
22:52.53debclairbut I just cant get the right resolution cuz I've never changed xorg.conf
22:52.54stonedwhats the big deal here I don't get it
22:53.01stonedoh I see
22:53.04debclairyes
22:53.07debclairthats the thing
22:53.13stonedfirst go back to a default xorg.conf like I showed you
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22:53.17debclairhow do I add the "Modeline" or whatever
22:53.22debclairok, I got it
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22:53.27CybertinusI'm running Debian 5.0 (Lenny) and now I want to install gcc 4.1.3, but Lenny ships version 4.3.2. How can I get 4.1.3?
22:53.28stonedi'll tell you later go do this first
22:53.41Laeborg-lapI have installed steam via PlayOnLinux (Using Wine, I guess), but when I try to change the graphics to OpenGL, the game crash. Then I tried to run 'glxgears' but it only gives me 100-200 FPS
22:53.53debclairstoned, I hope I can find you here later
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22:53.59stoneddebclair, then you use the cvt utility
22:54.07debclairmost unfortunately I got to go
22:54.08ma3xcan i switch the page up key with another one?
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22:54.11stoneddebclair, cvt 1024x768
22:54.15ma3xwhat's the tool used to configure that?
22:54.23stonedsorry no x
22:54.28debclairremember "debclair", stoned
22:54.31stoneddebclair, cvt 1024 768 I dunno read the man page
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22:54.36debclairand reeeeaaaallly thanks
22:54.36stoneddebclair, I'm always here
22:54.38stoned!stoned
22:54.38dpkgsits in a corner rocking singing "jingle bells, jingle bells" quietly to himself with an evil grin on his face... as he touches himself ever so slightly... http://stoned.is.dreaming.org
22:54.39Laeborg-lapI have installed steam via PlayOnLinux (Using Wine, I guess), but when I try to change the graphics to OpenGL, the game crash. Then I tried to run 'glxgears' but it only gives me 100-200 FPS
22:54.39debclairok
22:54.40stoned:/
22:54.43Laeborg-lapsorry :/
22:54.48stonedyou can find me here 24/7/365
22:54.53debclairnice
22:54.59Laeborg-lapI have a Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 graphic card.
22:55.00debclairwe'll soon get to be friends
22:55.04debclairbye
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22:55.09WX_0Laeborg-lap: Chances are, you'll need a better graphics card
22:55.10stonedo_O
22:55.13stonedbye
22:55.19SwirlBoy39How do I install a package?
22:55.22WX_0Laeborg-lap: You could always try running the game in a virtualized Windows environment (e.g.: With Virtualbox, VMWare, etc)
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22:55.27stonedSwirlBoy39, manually? dpkg -i blah.deb
22:55.35stonedSwirlBoy39, or apt-get/aptitude install blah
22:55.36SwirlBoy39ty
22:55.43stonedSwirlBoy39, man dpkg
22:55.45Laeborg-lapWX_0: I used windows before, and there was there no problems at all
22:56.01WX_0Laeborg-lap: Then wine may not wrap the game at the most optimal of speeds
22:56.13WX_0Laeborg-lap: 100-200 FPS is very good - what framerate do you experience on Windows?
22:56.14stonedI'm not even on linux right now! ;)
22:56.18Nasso|Busyim looking to get more into the depths of shell scripting. have anyone read this "book", http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/ ? can you recommend it or do you have any other recommendations for getting into the subject?
22:56.32stonedNasso|Busy, which shell? bash?
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22:56.42Laeborg-lapWX_0: I was told that normale glxgears gives about 5000 fps :S
22:56.43Nasso|Busystoned, yup
22:56.45stonedNasso|Busy, this isn't a debian specific question
22:56.47stonedNasso|Busy, try ##linux
22:56.53stonedNasso|Busy, for bash, go to #bash
22:56.57WX_0Laeborg-lap: Not for a video game..?
22:57.09Laeborg-lapno but glxgears
22:57.12Nasso|Busyokay. debian uses bash, right? im using debian
22:57.17stoneddoes't matter
22:57.23WX_0Laeborg-lap: Oh, well, do me a favor in this case
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22:57.27stonedthis is not related to debian support, its a matter of opinion
22:57.37stonedyou want ours, we cannot give it, go to the proper venue please
22:57.38Laeborg-lapyes, WX_0 ?
22:57.38WX_0Laeborg-lap: Type this into your terminal: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep vesa
22:57.40gryfieIMHO a game should so a fraction of the screenrefreshrate
22:57.41stoned##linux or #bash
22:57.44Nasso|Busyit was a question, does debian use bash?
22:57.46WX_0Tell me if anything returns
22:57.51Nasso|Busythat has to be debian related :P
22:57.52stonedNasso|Busy, yes, debian defaults to bash
22:57.59Laeborg-lapWX_0: gives me nothing
22:58.03Nasso|Busyokay. will go to bash then. thanks
22:58.04gryfieand spare cpu-power it don't need
22:58.15WX_0Laeborg-lap: I'll talk to you via query
22:58.23stonedNasso|Busy, don't misunderstand me, I'm not telling you to go away, just use the proper channel of information
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22:59.09stonedLaeborg-lap, glxinfo|grep dir
22:59.18stonedLaeborg-lap, yes or indirect?
22:59.26Laeborg-lapglxinfo|grep dir
22:59.31Laeborg-lapdirect rendering: Yes
22:59.39stonedLaeborg-lap, which gfx card?
22:59.54Laeborg-lapIntel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
23:00.06stonedyou're set
23:00.09stonedwhats the problem?
23:00.15Laeborg-lapits a Acer Extensa 5620
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23:00.29rgrAnyone know how to fix the huge memory leaks and swap/cpu hogging of winserver in Lenny? if I run ie4linux and leave it open, my system gets totally bogged down after about ten minutes.
23:00.38Cybertinusfound it :) apt-get install gcc-4.1 :)
23:00.51Cybertinusand then CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 <application-which-needs-it>
23:01.15stonedyay
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23:01.34WX_0rgr: Nope - try IE in a VM, and using the windows application "CleanMem" to cut down on leaks
23:01.53stonedawwwww no way
23:01.57stonedI smell a wet dog
23:01.58stonedwtf
23:02.01stoned*brb*
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23:02.28rgrWX_0: as in nope you dont know or there is no known solution other than to use a VM? (I dont have a Windows image anymore).
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23:02.35lukasHi, I need some tool to mount ciphered file like truecrypt but I can not find anything in deb
23:02.40lukasIs there some tool?
23:02.51WX_0rgr: Eh, I'll see if there's a "CleanMem" alternative for Debian
23:03.10stonedback, what does cleanmem do?
23:03.31stonedI don't think linux has stupdi memory 'clean' or 'defrag' tools like windows
23:03.41stonedthey are nto required, as linux MM is fucking supreme
23:04.13racecar56i want to access my debian's files from windows but it uses 256 byte inodse, what do i do?
23:04.30stonedyou can't!
23:04.33rgrThere are defragmenters for Linux. You just dont need them so much. Same as you dont in Windows as much as people would have you believe.
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23:04.47stonedyou have to use a vmware or virtual box debian lenny or later OS
23:04.57stonedrgr, not HDD defraggers
23:05.04rgrstoned: yes.
23:05.06stonedrgr, read again, for RAM/memory
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23:05.19WX_0stoned: I guess not :-/
23:05.19rgrI never used a mem defragger in windows either
23:05.26WX_0It isn't a defragger
23:05.31stonedeitherway
23:05.35stonedracecar56, hang on
23:05.48WX_0rgr/stoned: CleanMem uses a few functions of the NT API for wiping unused memory that is reserved from applications
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23:05.55WX_0Very useful when dealing with memory leaks
23:05.58B3nZ3nhi all :)
23:06.02stonedracecar56, you have to use a vmware or virtual box debian lenny or later OS.  inodes larger than 128 will not be mountable using any ext3/ext2 drivers in windows
23:06.25stonedracecar56, your only other option is to install virtual box in windows, install debian, later than lenny, and then mount your disk..
23:06.37stonedoh you know virtual box can't do it, only vmware lets you use actual physical disks
23:06.40rgrWX_0: I'm astonished that something so key to Linux adoption (ie ability to use ie4linux for web developers) is so ropey at release time. It never used to do this. Gah. It has really hosed my day.
23:06.47stonedso yeh, you are kinda fucked
23:06.48stoned:(
23:07.28stonedor you can buy a coyp of vmware and use it to install debia on a virtual disk, but let it access your actul physical hdd as well, the ext3 256inode volume, and then mount it, which it will, and the install samba, and share that mount point over the network
23:07.35stonedaccess from within windows, and all will be well
23:07.57stonedwithout vmware that lets you use your physical hdd, you simply CANNOT mount that volume under windows using IFS or anything at al
23:08.03WX_0rgr: Yeah, I remember ies4linux being incredibly unstable - my only recommendation is to use something like www.browsershots.org or a VM
23:08.21WX_0stoned: Virtualbox may work as well (free/open source)
23:08.26stonedit will not
23:08.30B3nZ3nIve a small problem, I cant write on my external HD (ntfs), I mounted it fine, I can read but not write (and I mounted it in rw mode). It doesnt word even if im root.. Anyone?
23:08.33at0m|werkhow about emailing MS to keep IE html compliant :o
23:08.39stonedvirtualbox free doesn't allow one to use a physical hdd in the virtual machine
23:08.49racecar56i want to access my debian's files from windows but it uses 256 byte inodse, what do i do?
23:08.50Blade-stoned m-a a-i fglrx --- failed build fglrx-kernel-src
23:08.51stonedvirtual box non free i think has that capability
23:08.52stonediirc
23:08.53racecar56*inodes\
23:08.57WX_0stoned: Virtualbox non-free does
23:09.05stonedracecar56, wow... are you fuckign seriousl man
23:09.06rgrI use browser shots alright, but its a big delay when fighting the f*cked up handling of html/nxhtml of certain browsers. I had to revert to  4.01 strict compliance from xhtml because of the retarded 1e handling of it.
23:09.15stonedIm sitting here not only typing that, but actually loudly fucking exclaiming
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23:09.23stonedI JUST TOLD YOU what to do
23:09.27stonedlike seroiusly man?
23:09.36WX_0rgr: Coming from a fellow designer, like I said, there's not much else you can do
23:09.42rgrstoned: do you get a sweet every time you swear?
23:09.48stonedWX_0, wx non-free yup, its stil nonfree
23:09.51racecar56lol
23:09.55stonedrgr, fuck yea goddamit!
23:09.57stoned:)
23:09.59WX_0stoned: It's free for use, the source just isn't available
23:10.02rgryeah, I know. It never used to be like this. 6 months ago it ran flawlessly on testing.
23:10.06stonedWX_0, i see
23:10.10stonedits still non-free ;)
23:10.23stonedrgr, what?
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23:10.28stonedwhat ran flwlessly?
23:10.31_Tavo_Hey, can anyone tell me how to enable programs to load shared libraries from /usr/local/lib ? it just searches them in /usr/lib
23:10.34WX_0stoned: Virtualbox-free is like gnash at this point, and virtualbox non-free is like adobe's plugin
23:10.35unow<PROTECTED>
23:10.40stonedthe inode change was recent for ext4 backwards compat.
23:10.52stonedunow, get 686
23:10.55WX_0unow: 686
23:10.57WX_0Damn
23:10.59stonedunow, don't worry about the reasons
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23:11.20stonedit just means the kernel was  optimized for a certain cpu type
23:11.39unowokey, thank you. Whats the difference between the *2.6.26-1 and simple *2.6?
23:11.44stonednone
23:11.46stonedvirtual package
23:12.00unowwhich means I should be choosing?
23:12.05stoneddoesn't matter
23:12.16stonedeither will install the latest stable kernel (if you're installing stable)
23:12.17B3nZ3nno one for my noob question? xD
23:12.20stonedand .26 is stable
23:12.24gryfieone with 686 at the end
23:12.26stonedB3nZ3n, ask again please?
23:12.30unowRight, thank you!
23:12.31stonedgryfie, yeh thats fine too
23:12.35B3nZ3nIve a small problem, I cant write on my external HD (ntfs), I mounted it fine, I can read but not write (and I mounted it in rw mode). It doesnt word even if im root.. Anyone?
23:12.35rgrunow: one is a generically named placeholder which drags in the latest.
23:12.55stonedB3nZ3n, how did you mount it?
23:13.09stonedB3nZ3n, and are you trying to use the ntfs driver?
23:13.09gryfieB3nZ3n, it doesnt what ?
23:13.12stoneddo NOT do that.
23:13.18stoned!tell B3nZ3n -about ntfs-3g
23:13.19gryfieit diesn wird ?!?
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23:13.23gryfieword ?
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23:13.27gryfieWhat means word ?
23:13.37gryfiereplay ?
23:13.39stonedB3nZ3n, go from there
23:13.40gryfieawnser ?
23:13.50stonedgryfie, seriously, stop using too much ENTER
23:13.51stoned:)
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23:14.00gryfieok ;)
23:14.08B3nZ3nmount -o rw -t ntfs/dev/sdb1 /media/temp
23:14.22stonedB3nZ3n, oh my fucking god no dude nooooo
23:14.28B3nZ3n:x
23:14.31stonedB3nZ3n, look at what dpkg told you in irc
23:14.38stonedyou do NOT use the ntfs driver to rw
23:14.40Javier01hello, i just installed debian lenny, i wonder if there is a way to see the rout of the folder i'm in.. i use gnome as desktop... thankd :D
23:14.42stonedonly for ro
23:14.52stonedB3nZ3n, you must use ntfs-3g for stable RW of ntfs
23:14.58stonedB3nZ3n, /msg dpkg ntfs-3g on irc
23:15.01B3nZ3nuhm okay thx :)
23:15.09WX_0Javier01: pwd
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23:15.24B3nZ3ni knew about ntfs 3g but I didnt know ntfs was only for ro
23:15.39Javier01WX_0, not in the terminal, from the gui
23:15.42stonedB3nZ3n, it is because ntfs in linux isn't made to do RW
23:15.42Javier01¿?
23:15.48stonedB3nZ3n, it can destroy data like a mofo
23:15.51B3nZ3nokay :) thx for info
23:15.58B3nZ3nI see ;x
23:16.01stonedB3nZ3n, /msg dpkg ntfs as well
23:16.10WX_0Javier01: Nautilus should have an icon you can click below the "File" menu bar
23:16.13pipegeekB3nZ3n: check out ntfs3g
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23:16.22pipegeekB3nZ3n: read/write ntfs implementation as a fuse module
23:16.25stonedpipegeek, no need to repeat. hes been told multiple times
23:16.28pipegeekwhoopsie
23:16.31pipegeek'pologies
23:16.34stonednp;
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23:16.45Hydroxidesilly pipegeek :P
23:16.49pipegeekhaha
23:16.51stonedhey!
23:16.57stonedpokes Hydroxide
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23:17.02Hydroxidehi stoned
23:17.07stonedwhats up man, how are ya
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23:17.22Hydroxidebusy :) trying to juggle debconf9 stuff, debconf10 stuff, and the rest of my life
23:17.34B3nZ3nit's strange because on other ntfs drives I can easily write
23:17.38node357how can I install xorgconfig ?
23:17.50themillHydroxide: life's a hassle like that. Keeps getting in the road.
23:17.56stewnode357: xorgconfig doesn't exist anymore.  use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" or "X -configure"
23:18.14stonedHydroxide, good luck buddy, will see you in 10 definitely, 9 is hard, and perhaps at the lenny party
23:18.18Javier01WX_0, isn't it possible for the route to appear below the tabs?
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23:18.49WX_0Javier01: I think you can customize the location of menus in Nautilus
23:18.51node357stew: neither of those commands are helping... using the nvidia display driver from repos, display is past the frequency range of the monitor
23:18.51stonedI haven't checked my nyc-soc list in a while, but I dunno if its already done and gone, or if the lenny party is planned
23:18.55WX_0Javier01: This isn't the right channel to ask that in though
23:19.22Javier01WX_0 , where can i ask that?
23:19.24Hydroxidestoned: not aware of a formal lenny party, but in any case there's a "we won debconf10" party/volunter recruiting session
23:19.40stonedoh word
23:19.41B3nZ3nnice thanks stoned it worked well :)
23:19.41WX_0Javier01: irc.gnome.org #gnome
23:19.47Javier01thank you
23:19.47stonedB3nZ3n, welcome
23:19.49B3nZ3nand sry for my bad english ;(
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23:19.58stonedno need to apologize, you speak well
23:20.00WX_0Javier01: Actually, #nautilus
23:20.03Hydroxidestoned: now we're getting offtopic - will give you the details in the other channel
23:20.08WX_0Javier01: On irc.gnome.org
23:20.09stonedHydroxide, thanks
23:20.15B3nZ3nI can now backup my drive \o/
23:20.59Javier01WX_0 thank you
23:21.55node357well i guess i cant use debian, thanks anyway
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23:22.50B3nZ3nuhm for you what shoud I back up before formating my HD? my ~, /var ?
23:23.16themilldpkg: tell B3nZ3n about things to backup
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23:23.27B3nZ3n:D
23:23.34stoned!dpkgbot
23:23.34dpkgPlease visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>.  Also see <msg the bot>.  We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem.  Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.  Ask me about <search dpkg>.
23:23.36stoned:)
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23:23.52B3nZ3nusefull this bot (sorry for my noob questions ^^ )
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23:27.56gryfiehow can i restart the netword-detection from installation (etch)
23:27.59gryfienetwork
23:28.25stoneduhm.. i don't tink you can, can you
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23:28.49stonedthats a step of the d-i, I do'nt think its a standalone utility, you'd have to simply edit /etc/network/interfaces
23:29.00*** mode/#debian [+l 957] by debhelper
23:29.02stonedand this file is fairly trivial, just read abotu it or man 5 interfaces
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23:29.55gryfieok, but in vmware the interface doesnt exits in /dev/.... so I guess I have the wrong module loaded or wrong (virtual) networcard choosed
23:30.02sg[]hm.
23:30.15Lnsdkr: you using the debian package of dokuwiki or source install?
23:30.16sg[]is there any reason the Maxima debian package is so outdated?
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23:30.26gryfienot vmware...
23:30.35gryfievbox, but the version from sun
23:31.00dkrLns: debian
23:31.13Lnsdkr: you're not worried about how old the version is?
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23:32.37dkrLns: 9 months isn't much.  and newer versions aren't always better.  that's why I prefer debian stable, heh :)
23:33.16Lnsdkr: my etch version is at 0.0.20061106-6 ....
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23:33.34tetoncathere was a bad potato and it was followed by a good potata
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23:33.51dkrLns: ah, well etch is oldstable.  lenny is the stable version of debian now, :)
23:33.56SchuenemannI need help to configure sound. I ran alsaconf and the card was detected and the module loaded, but I get no sound
23:33.56Lnsit is?!
23:33.59tetoncathat was the upgrade from hell
23:34.00Schuenemannno errors, either
23:34.02Lnsneeds to read the new heh
23:34.04Lnss/new/news
23:34.26format_cSchuenemann, check mixerlevels also
23:34.48Schuenemannformat_c,  master is at 100%
23:35.00Schuenemannand so is PCM
23:35.48format_cwhat does the application say when launching froma console?
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23:38.52Schuenemannformat_c,  http://pastebin.ca/1349161
23:39.34seed__Hi, it seems int32_t is not defined in types.h as it is on gentoo, anyone know where it is defined?
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23:40.15sg[]okay..
23:40.23stewseed__: try #gentoo
23:40.23sg[]so, who do i contact to become a package maintainer?
23:40.30pobegaSchuenemann: That output seems fine.
23:40.30stewseed__: oh, wait, i misread
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23:40.44sepultcontact uno
23:40.48exmachinai can't wait till I can play FFX on linux =D
23:40.51sepulterr
23:40.57stonedffx?
23:41.01format_cSchuenemann, to me too. No headphones pluged in?
23:41.09Schuenemannno headphones
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23:41.18sepultor was it the who ?
23:41.20sepulthrmmm
23:41.23sepultlol
23:41.25stonedyou can play final fantasy X on ps2/ps3 linux OS ;)
23:41.28stonedthats playing it on linux
23:41.39Schuenemannspeaker-test's output is fine too
23:42.04Schuenemannpobega,  format_c, what else can I test?
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23:42.28pobegaSchuenemann: Do any other programs work?
23:42.35pobegaWhat I mean is, is it just mplayer?
23:42.36Eulexseed__, <inttypes.h>
23:42.50Eulexsorry
23:42.57Eulexstdint.h, I mean
23:43.24Schuenemannpobega,  nope. Totem does the same: plays, but no sound
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23:43.56pobegaseem if something like `aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav` works
23:44.04SchuenemannI see 2 devices in volume control: HDA Intel and Realtek OSS
23:44.07seed__Eulex: thanks both works :), did you just know it or is there a way to find a specific type in header without greping?
23:44.28sg[]so...
23:44.35Schuenemannpobega,  no sound either
23:44.43Eulexseed__, I used a combination of grepping and knowing.
23:44.47pobegaSo your alsa just isn't working at all then.
23:45.06pobegaare you sure the speakers are turned up or plugged in properly?
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23:45.26Schuenemannpobega,  yep. It's a laptop, btw
23:45.33SchuenemannI have sound in ubuntu
23:46.07pobegaAre you running PulseAudio on Debian? Perhaps that would cause these problems?
23:46.20Schuenemannpobega,  how do I check?
23:46.32pobegaSchuenemann: ps aux | grep pulse
23:46.44Schuenemannpobega,  nothing
23:47.05pobegaSchuenemann: Weird. What's the model of the sound card?
23:47.10Eulexseed__, tho well inttypes.h includes stdint.h
23:47.23Schuenemannpobega,  00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
23:47.34sepultsnd-hda-intel
23:47.51sepulti use pulse without any problems
23:47.52sepultwith it
23:48.02sepulthrmmmm
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23:48.07pobegaWell yeah, but if you have Pulse installed and setup incorrectly it can cause problems
23:48.09seed__Eulex: so what do you think is the most portable? inttypes.h?
23:48.33sg[]okay...so the version of scilab included with Debian is incredibly out of date
23:48.38sg[]who do i contact to fix this
23:48.45Eulexseed__, both are ISO C99
23:48.51Schuenemannsepult,  I loaded that module. Nothing changed
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23:49.04pobegasg[]: You could report a bug on it
23:49.10sg[]?
23:49.10KabraxisI installed ssh server but i cant connect from outside IP (not LAN). I tired a few thinks but all dont work. Somebody have any idea what is wrong?
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23:49.27sepultSchuenemann: you maybe have to first change the order of the preffered devices in phonon ....
23:49.40sepultlike i did
23:49.47Schuenemannwhat is phonon?
23:49.51sepultand shut anything else off like artsd
23:50.04pobegaSchuenemann: Oh right, you should also make sure esd and artsd aren't running
23:50.15pobegaps aux | grep artsd and also grep for esd
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23:50.19sepultand don't use the usb2_audio module if that's preoccupying the slot
23:50.22unowwhen I cpufreq-info, the output tells me that "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU". What's wrong?
23:50.23Schuenemannnothing for both
23:50.30Schuenemannthey aren't running
23:51.02sepultlike maybe your webcams audio i mean (for usb)
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23:51.38sepultsometimes it preoccupies it when the order changes, you can go safe if you just put snd-hda-intel in /etc/modules
23:51.45pobegaunow: I actually wonder the same thing, I have the same problem with my Intel Atom N270 chip.
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23:51.47martianixorKabraxis: you're behind a router and/or NAT, also you might want to ask in ##networking?
23:52.09Schuenemannsepult,  how do I do that? I thought a modprobe was enough
23:52.24sepultbefore anything like gspca or quickcam
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23:52.52sepultSchuenemann: modprobe -r snd-hda-intel or /etc/init.d/alsa unload first ... for unloading everything
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23:53.02pobegaKabraxis: Unless you are running a firewall I'd blame either your ISP or router.
23:53.10sepultthen do a modprobe snd-hda-intel or /ec/init.d/alsa restart
23:53.12Kabraxismartianixor: yes i am behind NAT but i have port forwarding. Before i had there OpenBSD i all worked.
23:53.22Schuenemannsepult,  FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use
23:53.27Kabraxiswith the same settings on router
23:53.27Schuenemanndamn, I just loaded it
23:53.36Kabraxisso i guess reason is in debian configuration
23:53.36pobegaKabraxis: Hm. Are you running any firewalls?
23:53.45Kabraxispobega: no
23:53.48edji somehow have rbash as the default.  i changed /etc/passwd to /bin/bash - still rbash.  I ran chsh - still rbash.  i ran bash - and got bash, but only for that login.  what's it take to be permanent?
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23:54.02sepultSchuenemann: /etc/init.d/alsa is better for that it unloads everythin else too...
23:54.36Schuenemannsepult, no alsa. alsa-utils?
23:54.42sepultyes yes alsa-utils
23:54.53Kabraxispobega: debian (ver. lenny) doesnt have default seetings to deny connection from outside IP (no LAN IP)?
23:54.58toshiba510cdti have an old Pentium 133 MHz laptop which powered off upon executing shutdown -h now when running etch. i did a fresh Lenny install and upon executing shutdown -h now it does not power off anymore, what gives?
23:55.07Schuenemannsepult,  ok, shutted down
23:55.09martianixorKabraxis: have you changed any of your openssh-server configuration?
23:55.21sepultgood then restart it....
23:55.21unowpobega, yes, I experience this on a atom chip aswell.
23:55.26pobegaKabraxis: From what I understand, it doesn't.
23:55.38Schuenemannsepult,  then?
23:55.48pobegaunow: I have yet to find a way around it, though I know there *is* a workaround; perhaps Debian's cpufrequtils is out of date?
23:55.58sepultSchuenemann: reload it i.e. /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart....
23:56.04Schuenemannsepult,  I did
23:56.07martianixorKabraxis: do you even have openssh-server installed?
23:56.13sepultdoes your alsamixer show up ?
23:56.16Kabraxismartianixor: all have default settings
23:56.20scientesim installing on ARM in qemu and i cant figure out how to get into the debian installer
23:56.21sepultwhith the correct device ?=
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23:56.27unowpobega, its kind of strange as Ive followed instructions which doesnt mention any problems like this
23:56.28scientesam i suppose to debootstrap it instead?
23:56.47pobegaunow: what instructions?
23:56.47Schuenemannsepult,  seems so. HDA Intel, master and PCM maxed...
23:56.48Kabraxismartianixor: yes, before i had BSD there and all works great
23:56.52sepultok
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23:57.22sepultnow it's the prefferred one, start your kdm go into kde and change the order to pulseaudio ....
23:57.26pobegaKabraxis: Yeah, but did you manually install OpenSSH server is what he is asking. I don't think Debian comes with it by defaultl
23:57.40sepultin system_settings->multimedia or sound
23:57.46martianixorKabraxis: I never had a similar problem after installing Debian on my machine
23:57.48KabraxisI have used debian only a few times so i thought debian has some extra configuration to protect from connetion with untrased IP
23:57.55Schuenemannsepult,  what do you mean start kdm? X is already running
23:58.15sepultSchuenemann: ok i thought you want to use pulseaudio ?
23:58.20pobegaunow: By the way, Debian is version 004-2 and current is 005
23:58.21Kabraxismmm... ok i will check all again.
23:58.33Schuenemannsepult,  I don't know, I want to hear sound heh
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23:59.03sepultSchuenemann: then you're already done, it's just the order changes, get rid of it adding snd-hda-intel in /etc/modules
23:59.08martianixorKabraxis: may be the real IP you're connecting from has been denied
23:59.23martianixorKabraxis: so you might just need to clear it from the file
23:59.30Schuenemannsepult,  how do I add that? modprobe?
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23:59.34sepultnoooooo
23:59.39sepultjust edit that file
23:59.42pobegaSchuenemann: I think he means add it to the /etc/modules file
23:59.49sepultand put a line with snd-hda-intel alone to it

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