| 00:00.09 | sepult | maybe you have to be root for that |
| 00:00.09 | Schuenemann | in the end of file? |
| 00:00.13 | pobega | On a new line, yes |
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| 00:00.25 | sepult | Schuenemann: if it's empty add it to the beginning |
| 00:00.37 | sepult | if not, as early as possible |
| 00:00.41 | Schuenemann | ok, done |
| 00:00.46 | sepult | ok |
| 00:00.49 | Schuenemann | early = first lines? |
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| 00:01.12 | sepult | before gspca or quickcam, anything which could use the audio device.... |
| 00:01.16 | Kabraxis_ | martianixor: its my home network, i allow all IP |
| 00:01.20 | sepult | webcams for example.... |
| 00:01.26 | Kabraxis_ | i am sorry, i restared the router |
| 00:01.27 | Schuenemann | there were only 2: loop and sbp2 |
| 00:01.32 | sepult | ok |
| 00:01.37 | sepult | then you're done |
| 00:01.48 | Schuenemann | what now? test? |
| 00:02.05 | sepult | if you want to test, reboot or reinit your level |
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| 00:02.16 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: let me check for the filename I meant |
| 00:02.39 | Schuenemann | sepult, ok, I'll reboot. brb |
| 00:02.45 | sepult | cu |
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| 00:05.20 | scientes | i cant figure out how to get into the arm debian installer |
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| 00:06.57 | Kabraxis_ | martianixor: Its possible i didnt read what you write before (router was restarted) because i dont understand your sentence. |
| 00:07.18 | pobega | scientes: what do you mean you 'cant figure it out' |
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| 00:07.30 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: unfortunately I can't remember which file, sorry but what I'm sure of is that if you haven't change anything in your Debian default settings then it's one of the configuration files needs clearing |
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| 00:08.22 | Kabraxis_ | martianixor: mayby do you think about /ets/hosts.allow and deny? |
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| 00:08.46 | gurkenpapst | hi there |
| 00:08.54 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: I doubt it, but you haven't checked them already? |
| 00:09.01 | gurkenpapst | anyone fimiliar with freetds? |
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| 00:09.04 | scientes | woo hoo it worked! |
| 00:09.19 | foetus | question -- what is the priority of debian packages (extra,low a.s.o) good for and what does it mean? |
| 00:09.20 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: also what's in your ~/.ssh/ dir ? |
| 00:09.23 | Schuenemann | sepult, nothing :-/ |
| 00:09.33 | scientes | i was using the wrong initrd |
| 00:09.41 | sepult | Schuenemann: what do you mean nothing ? |
| 00:09.43 | Tapout | can you setup /dev/shm to use 'hugepages' ? |
| 00:09.55 | Schuenemann | sepult, no sound |
| 00:10.08 | Kabraxis_ | martianixor: i checked this. I can connect to ssh server but only from my local pool IP adresses. |
| 00:10.24 | sepult | Schuenemann: lsmod|grep snd |
| 00:10.33 | sepult | and tell me which modules got loaded |
| 00:10.35 | gurkenpapst | i got the same problem as described in this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324869 but using freetds 0.82 on lenny |
| 00:10.37 | format_c | Schuenemann, what is shown at the bottom of the alsamixer level for Master and PCM? 00 or MM ? |
| 00:10.39 | Schuenemann | just a sec |
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| 00:11.07 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: then most probably firewall configuration |
| 00:11.07 | Schuenemann | format_c, master 100, pcm 100 <> 100 |
| 00:11.26 | sepult | Schuenemann: alsamixer -c 0 or alsamixer -c 1 you can change the cards |
| 00:11.34 | Kabraxis_ | martianixor: i dont have any firewall for now |
| 00:11.54 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: also recheck your router/firewall for appropriate port forwarding |
| 00:11.59 | format_c | not the levels. I mean the mute status |
| 00:12.08 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: Oh |
| 00:12.16 | Schuenemann | sepult, http://pastebin.ca/1349174 |
| 00:12.20 | foetus | is it good to leave "extra", like alien does it? |
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| 00:12.32 | Kabraxis_ | martianixor: i checked about 10 times ;) |
| 00:13.10 | Tramp | Kabraxis_: pastebin the output of "ssh -vv" when you try to connect |
| 00:13.11 | Kabraxis_ | martianixor: i dont need firewall because ssh server is behind router and i am forwarding only ssh port and VPN port |
| 00:13.21 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: you can't directly connect to your machine from the outside world, even with port forwarding, you need to setup a dynamic dns record as far as I know |
| 00:13.22 | sepult | Schuenemann: it got loaded and the order is right, if you don't hear sound, it means you have muted settings unmute them with alsamixer m |
| 00:13.44 | sepult | Schuenemann: and check your cable connections too.... |
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| 00:14.30 | Kabraxis_ | martianixor: ofcourse i have dynamic DNS i am trying to connect with correct IP ;) |
| 00:14.32 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: unless your machine is in the DMZ with appropriate port forwarding |
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| 00:14.53 | Schuenemann | sepult, there are no controls muted. And this is a laptop... |
| 00:15.20 | sepult | Schuenemann: are your sound volume levels up ? |
| 00:15.26 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: so you're trying to connect to your machine via the real IP of your router with appropriate port forwarding setup and still unable to get to your machine via ssh? |
| 00:15.29 | Schuenemann | sepult, maxed |
| 00:15.34 | Schuenemann | both pcm and master |
| 00:16.04 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: from the outside? |
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| 00:16.33 | Schuenemann | sepult, http://imagebin.org/39544 |
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| 00:16.57 | Kabraxis_ | martianixor: connect to router on port 22 -> router forwarding this port to 192.168.1.2 -> 192.168.1.2 is the server |
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| 00:17.19 | sepult | Schuenemann: ok and there is no artsd or esd or any other sound daemon running ? |
| 00:17.40 | Schuenemann | sepult, none |
| 00:17.57 | sepult | Schuenemann: and you are sure of no cable issues ? |
| 00:18.02 | sepult | Schuenemann: wrong port or so ? |
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| 00:18.22 | Schuenemann | it's a laptop |
| 00:18.44 | sepult | Schuenemann: does your laptop has speakers ? |
| 00:18.50 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: checked your /etc/hosts file and tcpwrappers ? |
| 00:18.51 | Schuenemann | of course heh |
| 00:18.55 | Schuenemann | ubuntu plays it |
| 00:18.56 | sepult | Schuenemann: or do you have to plug some in |
| 00:18.56 | sepult | ok |
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| 00:19.36 | sepult | Schuenemann: sorry i'm out of ideas what maybe the problem.... |
| 00:19.38 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: also checked the files under your .ssh directory under the server's home directory? |
| 00:19.51 | streuner | Schuenemann: cat /proc/version |
| 00:20.00 | Schuenemann | I hear nothing with headphones either |
| 00:20.23 | Schuenemann | streuner, Linux version 2.6.26-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-13) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 17:57:00 UTC 2009 |
| 00:21.32 | format_c | Schuenemann, again. How about the two mute states marked in the picture: http://koeppe.homelinux.org/~koeppea/alsamixer.png |
| 00:21.34 | martianixor | Kabraxis_: I believe as you're coming from OpenBSD to Debian, your knowledge when it comes to networking and ssh workings is much more than mine so I'm sorry |
| 00:21.43 | streuner | hm, what kind of kernel do you use in +bunt+ |
| 00:22.12 | sepult | Schuenemann: it's not the right module |
| 00:22.15 | streuner | hm, hd-snd-intel is sometimes a bitch |
| 00:22.31 | Schuenemann | I just uploaded a screenshot of min: http://imagebin.org/39544 |
| 00:22.32 | streuner | it works here with .24 but not with any other kernel... |
| 00:22.33 | Schuenemann | mine* |
| 00:22.34 | Kabraxis_ | martianixor: it must be some bug or my misspell (probably) :/ |
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| 00:22.45 | sepult | or the soundchip differs slightly, or is branded false ? |
| 00:22.52 | bonez451 | without digging into the man pages.. what simple commands could I run.. on either machine.. both of which are networked.. I can ssh to one machine from the other.. to move all the files, data. and applications from one to the other.. I don't care if it takes all night to run, don't need to compress.... |
| 00:22.55 | bonez451 | suggestions? |
| 00:23.20 | sepult | it shouldn't show 00 if it's maxed yeah |
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| 00:23.57 | Schuenemann | streuner, Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-11-generic |
| 00:23.59 | streuner | Schuenemann: what kind of kernel do you use in ubuntu? |
| 00:24.05 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:24.24 | Schuenemann | format_c, I'm not sure what you're asking me |
| 00:24.27 | streuner | you dont want tell us that .27 might fix these kind of problems :-) |
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| 00:25.09 | streuner | that might fix my problem too then ... |
| 00:25.25 | format_c | In the past I tripped in that trap because you can change mixer levels on a muted channel. Was just a suggestion. |
| 00:25.32 | Schuenemann | streuner, is it available yet? |
| 00:25.56 | streuner | hm, not for stable |
| 00:26.04 | streuner | !kernel |
| 00:26.06 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.28.7, prepatch: 2.6.29-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.29-rc6-git4, 2.4: 2.4.37, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1 |
| 00:26.17 | themill | judd kernels |
| 00:26.45 | themill | talk to me, judd! |
| 00:26.48 | Schuenemann | streuner, so, it's stable? |
| 00:27.05 | shodan45 | I just installed debian 5... I'm used to opensuse's yast, is there a similar configuration-type prog for debian? |
| 00:27.09 | [reed] | so, there's a ton of different packages that state they are good at managing iptables for firewall purposes... does anybody have any recommendations as to a good one to use (on lenny) for a server? I guess I could just do iptables rules myself, but it might be nice to try out some of these wrappers |
| 00:27.28 | streuner | shodan, NO |
| 00:27.33 | martianixor | Kabraxis: clearing the known_hosts file worked automagically for me before when I couldn't connect to my machine from outside, so why not just back the known_hosts file up and retry? |
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| 00:28.12 | zmitya | hi all |
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| 00:28.23 | martianixor | Kabraxis: back it up then $touch ~/.ssh/known_hosts and see if you can connect from outside via ssh |
| 00:28.27 | shodan45 | streuner, is that a "No, unfortunately not." or a "No, I hate that kind of thing. Manually editing files rules!"? ;) |
| 00:28.28 | streuner | shodan45: no |
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| 00:28.39 | zmitya | I spent one hour to find out why my ftp server is so slow |
| 00:29.05 | zmitya | my link is half duplex somehow :( http://paste.debian.net/29418/ |
| 00:29.11 | Schuenemann | format_c, that 00 isn't muted, is it? |
| 00:29.19 | m0 | !needsub |
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| 00:29.22 | zmitya | is it my problem, or it is my ISP's fault ? |
| 00:29.24 | sepult | Schuenemann: it is muted |
| 00:29.31 | format_c | Schuenemann, right |
| 00:29.39 | Kabraxis | martianixor: but i cant connect, not login. |
| 00:29.44 | Schuenemann | and MM is what, then? |
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| 00:29.50 | format_c | mute |
| 00:29.59 | Schuenemann | ? and 00? |
| 00:30.04 | sepult | Schuenemann: i mean not the mm state |
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| 00:30.33 | sepult | Schuenemann: it's level is not reflected by a number |
| 00:31.00 | format_c | guys. have to leave. Quite late here. Cu |
| 00:31.01 | Schuenemann | huh? sorry |
| 00:31.03 | sepult | Schuenemann: it's not in mm_state but it's number does not reflect the volume level |
| 00:31.38 | sepult | Schuenemann: the volume level, that green bar, should be shown to at least in your case of 50 -60 |
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| 00:31.39 | martianixor | Kabraxis: Oh that's another thing, then see where are you trying to connect from exactly, and what's holding the connection, also recheck your log files !!! |
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| 00:31.50 | sepult | Schuenemann: but it show just 00 |
| 00:31.58 | sepult | Schuenemann: did you get it ? |
| 00:32.05 | Schuenemann | er... no |
| 00:32.11 | Schuenemann | sepult, mine is at 100 and there is 00 below the bar. So... ? |
| 00:32.30 | sepult | Schuenemann: and that's the point, that's a failure |
| 00:32.33 | Tramp | Kabraxis: when you "netcat <IP> 22" - do you get an openssh banner? |
| 00:32.39 | martianixor | Kabraxis: else it's beyound my knowledge, sorry I really wish I could help |
| 00:32.43 | shodan45 | so what's the recommended way to configure X, etc for debian? |
| 00:32.51 | sepult | Schuenemann: showing you either the module is not the card, or your lspci wasn't right... |
| 00:33.01 | sepult | Schuenemann: maybe try it with snd_hwdep .... |
| 00:33.08 | Schuenemann | sepult, damn... |
| 00:33.29 | sepult | heh |
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| 00:33.32 | sepult | it's ok |
| 00:33.35 | sepult | i mean |
| 00:33.48 | streuner | sepult: thats tricky too, i forgot to tell you, lspci shows the same card, but there are even more chipsets around... |
| 00:33.51 | sepult | who the hell should know... |
| 00:33.59 | sepult | aaaaah, ok |
| 00:34.27 | sepult | Schuenemann: ok then you have to try it with the other or first with snd-hwdep |
| 00:34.32 | sepult | others |
| 00:34.39 | Schuenemann | others what? |
| 00:34.45 | streuner | that means, it can show you via lspci the card, and some working and some other not (chipset) |
| 00:35.06 | sepult | Schuenemann: streuner told you |
| 00:35.22 | sepult | Schuenemann: other modules |
| 00:35.37 | sepult | Schuenemann: shown card may not use the standard module for that card |
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| 00:35.53 | Kabraxis | martianixor: ok its really strange... it works now and i didnt change anything... |
| 00:35.57 | Schuenemann | if I go to ubuntu I can find what it's using? |
| 00:36.03 | sepult | Schuenemann: yes |
| 00:36.07 | sepult | Schuenemann: i think so |
| 00:36.14 | Schuenemann | lsmod | grep snd ? |
| 00:36.16 | sepult | Schuenemann: notice it and try with it |
| 00:36.17 | Kabraxis | martianixor: mayby i wasnt my fault, mayby provider this something for a while or i dont know... |
| 00:36.24 | Kabraxis | *it |
| 00:36.36 | Kabraxis | *this - did |
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| 00:37.08 | Kabraxis | oh god... so maby misspells :) |
| 00:37.12 | Kabraxis | *many |
| 00:37.13 | Kabraxis | ... |
| 00:38.11 | martianixor | Kabraxis: strangely I'm having the same problem now, I tried to check if my sshd is working properly and found that it doesn't |
| 00:38.49 | Kabraxis | heh ;) |
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| 00:44.46 | racecar56 | gotta go bye |
| 00:44.51 | martianixor | Kabraxis: are you sure you didn't change anything? |
| 00:45.10 | Kabraxis | martianixor: yes |
| 00:45.35 | martianixor | Kabraxis: haven't you even restart the service or sshd? |
| 00:47.30 | Kabraxis | martianixor: full answer: I tired connect to my server a few days ago and i couldnt. Today i asked my friend "is it work?", he told "cant connect". A few minutes i connected to other ssh server and form there to my home ssh server and it worked. |
| 00:48.07 | Kabraxis | If i can trust my firend i did nothing... i i cant i restarted router and server. |
| 00:48.16 | Kabraxis | *if i cant |
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| 00:49.57 | martianixor | Kabraxis: that's really strange, I have my ssh back by the way, I just forgot to restart the service, you see? it's a user error most of the time |
| 00:49.58 | Kabraxis | i am sorry for my misspells but i am very tired |
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| 00:51.06 | martianixor | Kabraxis: it's OK I'm sleepy too, so got to get some sleep, and good luck with figuring out what was the problem :-) |
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| 00:51.38 | Schuenemann | brb |
| 00:53.07 | Kabraxis | martianixor: i have only 1,5 days to do all what i must to do because then i am going to other city and wouldnt back soon. |
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| 00:55.09 | Schuenemann | sepult, hey: http://pastebin.ca/1349205 |
| 00:55.13 | Schuenemann | this is it for ubuntu |
| 00:55.21 | Schuenemann | weird is that alsamixer shows 00 for master too |
| 00:56.12 | sepult | Schuenemann: seems one is using 3 submodules the other just 1 |
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| 00:56.34 | Schuenemann | sepult, yeah... |
| 00:57.27 | sepult | Schuenemann: also, there is a distinction of pcm and not |
| 00:57.29 | Schuenemann | sepult, that's the meaning of that number column? |
| 00:57.37 | sepult | Schuenemann: maybe it's using another bus |
| 00:57.43 | sepult | different bus system |
| 00:58.41 | Schuenemann | sepult, what can I do? |
| 00:58.44 | sepult | Schuenemann: yes, the modules are using one each other, they are just like master and slaves |
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| 00:59.06 | sepult | Schuenemann: sorry, i can't help you now |
| 00:59.13 | sepult | Schuenemann: cause i got to got |
| 00:59.17 | Schuenemann | /etc/modules = loop, lp, rtc, sbp2, fuse |
| 00:59.22 | sepult | Schuenemann: maybe someone else can help you |
| 00:59.31 | Schuenemann | ok... |
| 00:59.32 | Schuenemann | thanks |
| 00:59.35 | sepult | Schuenemann: what is sbp2 ? |
| 00:59.40 | sepult | sound blaster ? |
| 00:59.43 | sepult | i hope not |
| 00:59.49 | Schuenemann | who knows? |
| 00:59.52 | Schuenemann | debian had it too |
| 01:00.14 | sepult | Schuenemann: i really have to go now |
| 01:00.20 | Schuenemann | k |
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| 01:01.05 | Schuenemann | so, if somebody has any idea, please tell m |
| 01:01.06 | Schuenemann | e |
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| 01:16.04 | jimmyb | How can I install Apache 1 |
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| 01:21.01 | jimmyb | I guess I'm on Lenny, can you not use apache1 in Lenny? |
| 01:21.50 | Outlaw | ewww... why on earth would you apache1 ? |
| 01:21.57 | Outlaw | s/you/you want/ |
| 01:22.02 | jimmyb | Cause that's what the application needs to run. |
| 01:22.04 | halflife08 | unless you plan on compiling from source aptitude search apache doesn't show it is present in the repos. |
| 01:22.15 | jimmyb | halflife08: yeah, I'm aware. |
| 01:22.24 | jimmyb | Ok, I guess I shall change my sources to etch |
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| 01:23.24 | WX_0 | jimmyb: What application requires Apache1? |
| 01:23.24 | stubram | i read recently something about ssh tunnel ...and my question is where i found some site who provide to create a free count to acces ssh server for tunnel? |
| 01:23.31 | jimmyb | LiveJournal |
| 01:23.53 | WX_0 | stubram: None at the moment |
| 01:24.05 | WX_0 | stubram: rootshell.be used to, but they disabled it about 7 months ago |
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| 01:27.45 | mperillo | hi |
| 01:27.52 | mperillo | anyone using gdc-4.1? |
| 01:28.03 | newsense | is 75F+ degrees hot for a cpu ? |
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| 01:29.40 | mperillo | I'm having the same problem reported in http://bugs.debian.org/443744 |
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| 01:38.18 | unow | when I installed debian I accidentily had enabled caps lock when I entered the password. I figured this was ok, and an added security measure. I notice that when caps in enabled, only certain letters appear in uppercase (no X, only cli). This was all good until I made terminus the default font. Now the login doesnt accept my password, neither upper og lower case. I figured the reason is that with the default font, my password with cap |
| 01:39.57 | WX_0 | unow: You can reset your password in single user mode I believe |
| 01:40.02 | ^punisher | hello |
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| 01:40.35 | WX_0 | unow: http://nixcraft.com/linux-software/246-debian-boot-into-grub-single-user-mode.html |
| 01:40.45 | unow | WX_0, ah, sounds like a solution. When Im in sum, ho-... lovely, just what I wanted! |
| 01:40.53 | WX_0 | :P |
| 01:41.03 | LiquidBsd | i doubt using caps lock would add any security, the best passwords have mixed case like l33T h@X0r passwords |
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| 01:41.14 | WX_0 | LiquidBsd: Right, CAPS lock adds no security |
| 01:41.35 | WX_0 | Using !-), A-Z, a-z, and 0-9 provides security |
| 01:41.41 | WX_0 | Anything else is just silly |
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| 01:42.33 | unow | WX_0, yeah, I wasnt talking brute force security, rather some dude trying to guess my pass (which is impossible... but whatever, it made me feel smart) |
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| 01:43.48 | unow | nah, thats why I felt smart: since the default font only capsed some of the chars, it would actually add a depth of security. |
| 01:44.05 | WX_0 | unow: lol |
| 01:45.15 | unow | WX_0, the link you gave me reg. resetting my password seems to only apply to root pass? |
| 01:45.43 | WX_0 | unow, yes, because with the root password, you can modify the password of any account.. |
| 01:45.58 | unow | at debian setup I disabled root login |
| 01:46.57 | unow | dont tell me Im screwed? |
| 01:47.00 | WX_0 | You're not |
| 01:47.08 | WX_0 | You mean root login via gdm |
| 01:47.13 | WX_0 | "su" still works, no |
| 01:47.15 | WX_0 | *? |
| 01:47.26 | unow | yes, su works... |
| 01:47.34 | unow | theres no gui on this thing though |
| 01:47.38 | WX_0 | And? |
| 01:47.51 | WX_0 | su --> [root pass] --> passwd [account to change] --> New password |
| 01:48.26 | unow | ehm |
| 01:48.34 | unow | su only works through sudo |
| 01:48.56 | unow | When I disabled root login, what exactly did I do? Add a totally random pass to root (seems stupid), or actually disabled it? |
| 01:48.57 | WX_0 | You cannot use su? |
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| 01:49.07 | WX_0 | unow |
| 01:49.09 | unow | I can use su through sudo |
| 01:49.09 | WX_0 | Follow that tutorial |
| 01:49.27 | unow | right |
| 01:49.47 | WX_0 | unow, just follow that tutorial |
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| 01:50.55 | unow | seems like it worked. My question now is how to once again disable root login |
| 01:51.21 | WX_0 | unow: Just stop and start to use man pages and Google |
| 01:51.44 | unow | right, questions were a little loose. Sorry :P |
| 01:52.21 | WX_0 | It's fine. |
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| 01:55.18 | Sepho | hi everybody |
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| 02:00.05 | the-rar | how can one change the textmode screen resolution / how many chars get displayed? |
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| 02:00.37 | pl4yer0ne | the-rar, set vga=<something> in your lilo/grub config |
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| 02:03.05 | nsadmin | have the kernel maints been working on the xen-versus-nvidia conflict? |
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| 02:03.24 | the-rar | pl4yer0ne, is it possible to change it on a running system also? |
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| 02:04.10 | nsadmin | the-rar: maybe, but I don't know of it... you can also try adding the kernel parameter vga=ask |
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| 02:06.00 | the-rar | nsadmin, that sounds like the somewhat familiar selector .. i will try that.. |
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| 02:06.35 | nsadmin | once you have one you want, you can change vga=ask to vga=numberyoulike |
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| 02:09.36 | stew | vga=ask will only ask about text modes, and not framebuffer modes though, right? |
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| 02:10.15 | nsadmin | hmm, I haven't tried it after the framebuffer thing came about |
| 02:10.28 | pl4yer0ne | the-rar, I -think- you can load a module that will change the resolution etc in a running kernel. but i am reallyl not sure about that. |
| 02:10.28 | the-rar | stew, whats the difference between framebuffer and the text mode? |
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| 02:10.57 | nsadmin | a frame buffer is a graphic screen on which chars are plotted for console mode |
| 02:11.05 | the-rar | pl4yer0ne, do you remember the module name? |
| 02:11.13 | pl4yer0ne | nope =D |
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| 02:12.13 | stew | the-rar: a text mode would be selecting something like "80x25" or "132x80" text characters, and no ability for graphics. a framebuffer would be selecting something like "1280x1024 @ 16bit" with full graphics support |
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| 02:12.53 | pl4yer0ne | there used to be one called soemthing like fbconsole but that was in 2.0 or maybe 2.2 kernels |
| 02:13.11 | pl4yer0ne | ie: fucking old skool |
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| 02:13.50 | pl4yer0ne | I cant see any modules that look the same here..... |
| 02:14.10 | zophy | why does my dhclient send a DHCPREQUEST every 10 seconds ? |
| 02:14.25 | pl4yer0ne | oh no wait up..... |
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| 02:14.52 | pl4yer0ne | kernel/drivers/video/* |
| 02:15.18 | pl4yer0ne | there you go you can try those... but I have no idea if you can change the console rez while running |
| 02:15.37 | nsadmin | zophy: because the dhcp server isn't responding? |
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| 02:16.29 | nsadmin | maybe because you have two separate configs, one says for example... eth0 static, the other says eth0 dhcp |
| 02:16.30 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 02:17.15 | nsadmin | not such a stretch, because network-manager doesn't deal with /etc/network/interfaces and it should (imo) |
| 02:17.56 | nsadmin | so it's possible to have network-manager saying one thing about (say) eth0, and /etc/network/interfaces saying another |
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| 02:19.32 | nsadmin | is someone working to combine the two so that kind of thing doesn't happen? or is it already fixed? |
| 02:19.56 | zophy | i totally remove network manage |
| 02:20.01 | zophy | --r |
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| 02:20.25 | zophy | the server is giving dhcpack's |
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| 02:20.48 | nsadmin | so the client isn't responding to the acks? |
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| 02:22.04 | Vasistha | hmm. Even with ntp (instead of ntpdate) my Dad's clock is still gaining 4 minutes every day. adjtimex is also installed but maybe I need to configure one or both of these? 'ntp' fixed the time shortly after it was installed, but hasn't maintained the time for a couple days. |
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| 02:23.11 | zophy | i restarted the dhcpd server and dhclient on the other machine wasn't making the requests so often, but now it started making the requests every 10 seconds again |
| 02:23.15 | LiquidBsd | i've been using ntp successfully |
| 02:23.56 | Vasistha | LiquidBsd: did your clock gain four minutes a day before you were using it? :P |
| 02:23.59 | zophy | it was pk for 3 minutes |
| 02:24.04 | zophy | ok |
| 02:24.30 | LiquidBsd | Vasistha, my clock was several minutes off, but i doubt it was gaining that much every day |
| 02:24.58 | zophy | what does that avahi daemon do ? |
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| 02:25.57 | LiquidBsd | man avahi-daemon |
| 02:26.11 | Sepho | where can i download a complete sources.list?? |
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| 02:26.26 | Sepho | for testing |
| 02:26.44 | nsadmin | if the clock is more than 1024 secs off (close to 8 mins I guess?) it won't sync; you need to run something like ntpdate while ntpd is stopped to sync, then start ntpd again |
| 02:26.55 | pl4yer0ne | Sepho, you dont want someone elses you want to do your own |
| 02:27.28 | Sepho | I want to add a non-free sources but i don't know where can i search for it |
| 02:27.58 | nsadmin | Sepho: show one of your lines in that file (try the first one that starts deb http |
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| 02:28.01 | srbaker | folks |
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| 02:28.15 | srbaker | virtualbox-ose-guest-utils isn't installable |
| 02:28.21 | srbaker | but it's avail in p.do |
| 02:28.46 | Vasistha | Sepho: if you are using an official debian mirror, you can just change "main" to read "main contrib non-free" at the end of the line |
| 02:29.17 | Sepho | hum ok, thanks!! |
| 02:29.42 | zophy | how can i determine which packages are dependent upon another particular package ? |
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| 02:30.02 | zophy | grep the packages file ? |
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| 02:30.25 | nsadmin | Sepho: additionally... you can learn to write your own source lines after exploring an aptable source |
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| 02:30.42 | therar | is it normal to still have etch in the apt output when all sources are set to lenny? |
| 02:30.43 | Vasistha | zophy: there's apt-rdepends |
| 02:31.18 | nsadmin | !find apt-rdepends |
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| 02:31.50 | Vasistha | therar: maybe, maybe not. you could pastebin the actual output so we can tell you with more certainty. |
| 02:32.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-rdepends' (3): (/usr/share/fish/completions/apt-rdepends.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/apt-rdepends.html) in non-free/doc/dahb-html ;; (/usr/bin/apt-rdepends, /usr/share/lintian/overrides/apt-rdepends) in utils/apt-rdepends. |
| 02:32.39 | Vasistha | srbaker: I decided I trust sun enough to use the closed source version :P they have a repo |
| 02:33.05 | nsadmin | therar: perhaps you haven't upgraded all the way |
| 02:33.08 | WX_0 | Vasistha: What are you using? Virtualbox? |
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| 02:33.28 | Vasistha | WX_0: yeah |
| 02:33.40 | WX_0 | Same here, closed-source ;) |
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| 02:33.51 | WX_0 | Vasistha: Have you tried out seamless mode yet? |
| 02:34.38 | Vasistha | WX_0: I have, but I'm honestly not that fond of it. if you click on one window it brings them all to the front, and of course e.g. ksnapshot can't snapshot one window, it grabs the whole area. |
| 02:34.53 | WX_0 | Haha, ksnapshot |
| 02:34.59 | WX_0 | I think you can fix that, Vasistha |
| 02:35.07 | WX_0 | via setting the Windows desktop to the GNOME desktop |
| 02:35.14 | Sepho | thanks all! :) |
| 02:35.24 | therar | nsadmin, i had some issues with libc6 and some dependencies didn't resolve.. maybe i still have an 'in between' version if thats possible |
| 02:35.47 | abrotman | yes, possible and bad |
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| 02:36.22 | abrotman | therar: put your sources.list in a pastebin .. and also the output from aptitude update |
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| 02:36.53 | Vasistha | WX_0: as things have turned out, I'm not using it as much as I'd anticipated -- only very occasionally for visio and msie. I'd anticipated using it for word, excel, and eudora, but discovered that oocalc is good for excel, kmail is better than eudora, and word works fine in wine. |
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| 02:37.16 | WX_0 | Vasistha: Don't forget open office |
| 02:37.31 | WX_0 | I won't lie, swapping between MS 2007 and OpenOffice is seamless - no bugs in formatting yet |
| 02:37.33 | Vasistha | well, I dunno about "better than" but ... I couldn't get eudora working on virtualbox or wine, so I gave up |
| 02:38.01 | WX_0 | Vasistha: Web-mail is now |
| 02:38.10 | WX_0 | Forget your mail client =p |
| 02:38.32 | Vasistha | WX_0: like I said, oocalc. But my Dad likes word -- it's his computer -- and honestly, so do I. To this day I find word 97 to be in many ways more user-friendly than the latest OOo. And I like to have my mail accessible when I am not online. |
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| 02:38.43 | WX_0 | I see. |
| 02:38.46 | WX_0 | Well, eitherway |
| 02:39.12 | WX_0 | I love showing off virtualbox with seamless enabled |
| 02:39.27 | WX_0 | That, with compiz, running the 64-bit version of lenny |
| 02:39.33 | WX_0 | Very fast, very pretty |
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| 02:39.47 | quetzal- | hello, is there any way to see what files belong to certain package? |
| 02:40.01 | Vasistha | quetzal-: dpkg -c I think -- man dpkg |
| 02:40.12 | abrotman | quetzal-: dpkg -S and apt-file |
| 02:40.14 | dokma | hey guys. since I've upgraded I must use: setxkbmap -rules xorg -layout hr every time I start my machine |
| 02:40.18 | abrotman | quetzal-: or dpkg -L |
| 02:40.21 | dokma | any way to make this go away? |
| 02:40.26 | quetzal- | Vasistha, ok, so aptitude cant do it? |
| 02:41.03 | WX_0 | dokma: Setup the command to run in a startup script |
| 02:41.04 | nsadmin | quetzal-: dpkg --help |
| 02:41.20 | dokma | WX_0: that's a rather dirty hack |
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| 02:41.25 | therar | abrotman, i found my mistake. i had a etch comment commented out by mistake. i cleaned all the etch sources out and now the update does not show it anymore. i hope the updates go well from now on |
| 02:41.26 | mns | Is there a program similar to visio available ? |
| 02:41.29 | dokma | before it was unneeded |
| 02:41.36 | quetzal- | yeah, dpkg worked great, thanks. but its a bit unconvenient to copy package names from aptitude =p |
| 02:41.37 | WX_0 | dokma: Oh wait, actually, you can modify your xorg.conf for that |
| 02:41.39 | abrotman | mns: dia |
| 02:41.40 | Vasistha | quetzal-: I doubt it -- especially if you haven't downloaded the package |
| 02:42.15 | quetzal- | Vasistha, and if package is installed? |
| 02:42.17 | mns | abrotman: anything that is not GNOME/KDE based ? Or is that my only option ? |
| 02:42.21 | nsadmin | quetzal-: I see, so what you're asking for is only part of it |
| 02:42.24 | dokma | WX_0: I had no clue about that |
| 02:42.24 | Vasistha | but dia doesn't even come close to the drawing functionality I need :P |
| 02:42.29 | Vasistha | quetzal-: I still doubt it |
| 02:42.30 | dokma | will check the docs |
| 02:42.32 | abrotman | mns: NFC .. that's the one i know of .. you asked, i answered :) |
| 02:42.45 | nsadmin | part of what you want that is.... (btw, I know someone named quetzal :) |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | mns: you didn't say what part of visio you wanted to use .. given your limited question, i gave an answer |
| 02:43.10 | quetzal- | nsadmin, i think its not me ;) |
| 02:43.26 | nsadmin | where are you located? |
| 02:43.34 | nsadmin | approx that is :) |
| 02:43.55 | gryfie | Idon't know visio.... is it a drawing-apploication? |
| 02:44.10 | gryfie | Did you try XARA? |
| 02:44.12 | quetzal- | nsadmin, russia =p |
| 02:44.16 | abrotman | gryfie: not like xara |
| 02:44.17 | Vasistha | gryfie: yeah, it can be used to make many different sorts of diagrams and layouts and things |
| 02:44.31 | nsadmin | quetzal-: that's pretty far from me, you're right :) |
| 02:44.36 | quetzal- | ;) |
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| 02:46.29 | mns | abrotman: not a problem. I basically want to be able to draw network diagrams |
| 02:46.48 | Vasistha | mns: dia might be sufficient for you. you should check it out |
| 02:46.49 | abrotman | mns: dia can do that ... i'm not aware of a KDE equivalent |
| 02:47.46 | mns | abrotman: would prefer a non-GNOME/non-KDE version, but if I had to, I'd take GNOME version. :) |
| 02:47.54 | mns | goes off to download dia |
| 02:48.37 | jpinx | I need a graphic equaliser to run the output of VLC with alsa on lenny - any recommendations? |
| 02:48.45 | Vasistha | abrotman: do you know anything about tuning/configuring ntp and/or adjtimex? My Dad's clock is still gaining 2 minutes per day ... it is now 4 minutes fast |
| 02:48.53 | abrotman | mns: still only know of dia |
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| 02:49.20 | beardy | Vasistha: adjtimex is for that. |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | Vasistha: ntp is really what you want .. |
| 02:49.29 | simonrvn | ntpdate |
| 02:49.30 | Vasistha | hehe |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | yes .. with the adjtimex |
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| 02:50.04 | beardy | But hmm, 2 minutes per day is extremely bad.. |
| 02:50.11 | simonrvn | !adjtimex |
| 02:50.12 | dpkg | well, adjtimex is a utility to display or set the kernel time variables |
| 02:50.15 | Vasistha | well ... ntp and adjtimex are both installed, but this problem persists. So ... any idea how to configure one or more of these utils? |
| 02:50.23 | nsadmin | jpinx: do you have hardware filters? |
| 02:50.29 | beardy | Vasistha: Read the manual of adjtimex. |
| 02:50.40 | jpinx | nsadmin: no |
| 02:50.45 | Vasistha | beardy: alrighty, thanks for the pointer |
| 02:51.04 | nsadmin | then you would need to do software filters and control them with some kind of gui |
| 02:51.28 | jpinx | nsadmin: yes - that's what I'm looking for - what to install? |
| 02:51.30 | beardy | Vasistha: I had to use it on one machine, if the manual isn't enough, like usual /usr/share/doc/adjtimex, it was outfigurable anyway. |
| 02:51.40 | nsadmin | filtering is not so kind to cpu usage either |
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| 02:51.52 | Vasistha | "outfigurable" huh? never heard that word :) |
| 02:52.00 | jpinx | nsadmin: it's not doing anything else.. so no worries |
| 02:52.11 | beardy | Vasistha: No, I'm sure it hasn't been used many times. |
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| 02:52.55 | nsadmin | maybe you could use something like spiralsynthmodular or some ladspa plugin |
| 02:53.45 | micky | hello, just upgraded to 5.0 and installed mc using aptitude, i cant seem to find out where the mcedit comand/package went, any ideas why it did not get included in this release or better where i could find a deb package that includes it ? ( extras / nonfree ? ) |
| 02:54.03 | jpinx | nsadmin: I saw ladspa - but it seems to be in sid |
| 02:54.26 | micky | for some reason it got replaced by nano/pico in mc |
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| 02:54.41 | nsadmin | I guess it's possible to backport or just build outright |
| 02:55.19 | jpinx | nsadmin: yep - looking at that now - thanks for the pointer |
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| 02:55.46 | abrotman | micky: apt-file says it's in 'mc' |
| 02:55.48 | arrenlex | I am curious about the arm architecture. What machines is that intended for? Are there any small computers\small laptops selling with ARM chips these days that I could install it on? |
| 02:56.13 | beardy | micky: 'mcedit' and 'mcedit-debian' is in mc |
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| 02:57.03 | micky | abrotman / beardy never mind someone just decided mc should not use it`s internat editor by default and removed that from the default config file withouth specifying in the description file |
| 02:57.13 | Arafangion | Why doesn't mn-applet save my password? It's extremely irritating to have to put in my wireless password every time. |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | micky: did you check the docs in /usr/share/doc/mc ? .. might have mentioned that |
| 02:58.05 | beardy | micky: ..in the changelog possibly. |
| 02:58.25 | micky | abrotman no i did not check the docs / changelog .. next time i will |
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| 03:00.38 | Arafangion | So... How do I setup nm-applet to not ask for my password every time? |
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| 03:00.58 | arrenlex | I am curious about the ARM architecture. What machines is that intended for? Are there any small computers\small laptops selling with ARM chips these days that I could install it on? |
| 03:01.43 | nsadmin | arrenlex: perhaps some routers, like linksys, are arm |
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| 03:02.21 | micky | arrenlex some routers / some phones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture |
| 03:02.30 | arrenlex | nsadmin, micky: So there isn't anything ARM that I could personally play with debian on? :( |
| 03:03.05 | nsadmin | obviously there are |
| 03:03.06 | Arafangion | arrenlex: The Palm handhelds are ARM based. |
| 03:03.16 | Arafangion | arrenlex: But they don't run Debian... |
| 03:03.38 | micky | well there is an ARM Debian branch |
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| 03:04.06 | arrenlex | micky: Right, now my question is, what can I do with that branch as a casual user? |
| 03:04.22 | Arafangion | arrenlex: Are you likely to use debian on ARM, as a casual user? |
| 03:04.44 | nsadmin | arrenlex: buy a machine, install it on that machine |
| 03:04.48 | arrenlex | Arafangion: That's what I am wondering. If there are computer-like devices available on the market, then I could, so I am wondering if there are. |
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| 03:04.59 | abrotman | arrenlex: did you check the install guide? it probably lists some hardware |
| 03:05.05 | micky | arrenlex since it`s present on the main website you could be fairly certain it`s got most of the usual i386 apps ported |
| 03:05.31 | Arafangion | just wishes that it was possible to setup a debian system to loginto a wireless network automatically, from an x11 session, without developing custom bash scripts. |
| 03:05.54 | Arafangion | arrenlex: today, most ARM systems are embedded or are hand held systems. |
| 03:06.09 | arrenlex | Arafangion: I know that. I am wondering if there are any that aren't, for me to play with. |
| 03:06.18 | micky | Arafangion: what`s so bad about writing 5 lines of code in your init.d/local file ? |
| 03:06.58 | Arafangion | micky: Because I don't neccessarily want to connect at boot time, or might not be in range at boot time. |
| 03:07.17 | Vasistha | strange, ntpd has been running for the last two days, yet it has not been updating the clock. Maybe hwclock has taken over or some such funny thing |
| 03:07.26 | Arafangion | micky: YThat said, it's not exactly trivial to write those 5 lines - one has to do a heck alot of research just to figure out _which_ 5 lines to write. :( |
| 03:07.59 | micky | Arafangion that`s true |
| 03:08.05 | Arafangion | micky: The typical gnome way is to use nm-applet, but I'm using fluxbox - so i start nm-applet myself, no problem there, the issue is that it asks for the password every frigging time. :( |
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| 03:08.36 | Arafangion | micky: And a WPA2 key is no fun to type. |
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| 03:09.01 | nsadmin | if by "do a heck alot of research" you include "learn to program", that's true if you don't have that already |
| 03:09.08 | Arafangion | Google suggests that this is an exceptionally common problem, but despite investigating hte various "solutions", I'm no closer to solving it. |
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| 03:09.49 | Arafangion | nsadmin: I am a professional software engineer. I shouldn't have to "learn to program" just to connect to a frigging, run-of-the-mill typical home wireless network. |
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| 03:10.21 | Arafangion | nsadmin: If you excuse my strong language, but I _am_ frustrated. :) |
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| 03:10.31 | nsadmin | so a very large chunki of that research has been completed |
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| 03:11.06 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Why should I need to know how to program to connect to a wireless network? It's not exactly an unsolved research problem requiring a custom solution, is it? |
| 03:11.35 | Vasistha | Arafangion: you might try wicd instead of nm ... dunno if you'll have any more success |
| 03:11.43 | Arafangion | Vasistha: I might give that a go, thanks. |
| 03:11.55 | Vasistha | np |
| 03:12.01 | arrenlex | Arafangion: Does it ask for the wpa2 key, or for the keyring password? |
| 03:12.45 | Arafangion | arrenlex: Always the wpa2 key, it never asks for the keyring password - I'd live with it asking for the keyring password (btw: I don't think I've got the keyring setup), but it never does. |
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| 03:12.55 | nsadmin | the hardware is going to be the same no matter what os you put on there... for example the windows driver understands not just the hardware but also how to set up the wireless client software so it starts when it boots... perhaps with linux, you might have to come up with it... |
| 03:13.11 | Arafangion | Vasistha: wicd isn't part of debian etch, I see. |
| 03:13.11 | arrenlex | Arafangion: You could try installing the gnome keyring, and then leaving the keyring password blank. That's my current setup, and it doesn't ask. |
| 03:13.31 | nsadmin | have you been considering an upgrade? |
| 03:13.43 | Arafangion | nsadmin: I'm running Debian Etch... |
| 03:13.59 | Vasistha | Arafangion: no, in fact it's not part of debian at all. It can be gotten from wicd.net, and they have a debian repo at apt.wicd.net |
| 03:14.05 | nsadmin | that's what I assumed, and so the question still stands |
| 03:14.29 | jpinx | Arafangion: wicd solved all that for me |
| 03:14.31 | Arafangion | nsadmin: I don't want to upgrade. |
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| 03:14.39 | Arafangion | jpinx: Thanks, I shall check it out. |
| 03:14.39 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 03:14.45 | Vasistha | Arafangion: well, you've got a year :) |
| 03:14.49 | Vasistha | maybe |
| 03:15.05 | Arafangion | Vasistha: I'll upgrade sometime in the year, then. :) |
| 03:15.08 | jpinx | Arafangion: you have to download and install the .deb - but there were no unresolved dependencies on my system |
| 03:15.14 | nsadmin | you mean until etch is end-of-lifed |
| 03:15.24 | Vasistha | Arafangion: yeah, me too -- I'm still on etch, and a bit too busy to upgrade just now |
| 03:15.29 | Arafangion | jpinx: Installing software is easy, no problems there. |
| 03:15.49 | Vasistha | although I am wondering if it is stable enough to upgrade without backing up (cringe) |
| 03:15.57 | jpinx | Arafangion: cool - enjoy -but do your dist upgrade before there is a lasst minute rush ;) |
| 03:16.02 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Likewise. I'm torn between Ubuntu and Debian, actually. Ubuntu because crap just works, as it should, but I prefer Debian because it's /stable/, and crap that is working _stays_ working. |
| 03:16.36 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Always backup your /home, as you should already be doing. :) |
| 03:16.40 | Vasistha | Arafangion: hehe, I bet that's a common dilemma. I trained myself on mepis before moving to debian sarge when that was released |
| 03:16.55 | Arafangion | Vasistha: As for the rest of the system... Well, worst comes to worst... You can always reinstall or fix. |
| 03:17.00 | nsadmin | and have /home on a separate vol |
| 03:17.07 | jpinx | Arafangion: I am non-expert and I have no issues with lenny |
| 03:17.20 | Vasistha | Arafangion: I don't have much in /home, I keep most of my data and even some of my config (via symlink) on a separate partition with a different mount point. But point taken! |
| 03:17.33 | Arafangion | jpinx: I cut my teeth on a home made system, based on LinuxFromScratch, and was also using Potato at that time. |
| 03:17.55 | jpinx | Arafangion: then you will know exactly how good debian is :) |
| 03:18.26 | Arafangion | jpinx: I do, it's why I keep comming back to it. |
| 03:18.47 | jpinx | has never left it after sarge went stable |
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| 03:19.57 | Arafangion | There was a time when I lived on Sid, but now I find myself staying with stable for ages, whatever stable is at that time. |
| 03:20.03 | micky | any ideas where i might find qmail packages for debian 5.0 ? ( .deb format ).. that is if someone around here uses / created them by now |
| 03:20.09 | Vasistha | adjtimex says it's gaining 2ms per second! whooo |
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| 03:20.53 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Some apps don't like it when the clock suddenly changes, so those time adjustment programs tend to accelerate or decelerate time instead, it's a good solution. |
| 03:21.32 | Vasistha | Arafangion: when I was new I thought it would be so cool to have the latest cutting edge software and run sid, but I never actually did it and I ultimately decided I'm happy with stable ... although I do sometimes have some grief getting help with bugs, esp. in kde apps |
| 03:21.39 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Keep in mind that I'm not arguing that you shouldn't know how to use your OS - I do, I just disagree that one should have to be an administrator or programmer to do common tasks. |
| 03:22.30 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Some apps I like to be on the cutting edge, and I install those into /opt from source, but others... I don't care so much, so I let the OS manage those. |
| 03:23.02 | Vasistha | Arafangion: getting back to your orig question, interestingly, the wicd package installs itself in /opt :) |
| 03:23.15 | Arafangion | Nice, wicd is a python program, don't even need to compile the damn thing. :) |
| 03:23.31 | Vasistha | I have been sometimes happy with it and sometimes not as happy |
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| 03:23.54 | Vasistha | at this point I'm back on the ifup/ifdown |
| 03:23.59 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Why? |
| 03:23.59 | jpinx | Arafangion: if wicd hadn't been easy I would not have been able to use it ;) |
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| 03:24.51 | kabotage | how do you check for the release name? |
| 03:25.03 | nsadmin | Arafangion: but you should also agree that if code that makes something convenient is missing, perhaps doing that thing would remain inconvenient (which of course is a relative, subjective term) |
| 03:25.12 | Vasistha | Arafangion: the newest version just didn't work for me -- I don't remember if it wouldn't start, or wouldn't detect my wireless card, or wouldn't scan, or connect, or what it was -- some debilitating problem. So I went to a previous version ... and eventually decided it was more trouble than just using ifup/ifdown. It's often a headache, though, when I travel to new networks. |
| 03:25.26 | nsadmin | kabotage: check what? |
| 03:25.29 | Arafangion | The source code of wicd implies that it does not install into /opt |
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| 03:25.47 | stew | kabotage: lsb_release -c |
| 03:25.50 | kabotage | the releaase name on debian. |
| 03:25.52 | Vasistha | Arafangion: well ... I believe the debian package does |
| 03:26.35 | micky | kabotage cat /etc/issue |
| 03:26.38 | kabotage | lsb_release wont work |
| 03:26.46 | nsadmin | debian is allowed to touch /opt? |
| 03:26.53 | Arafangion | nsadmin: I know for a fact that the code (in this case) is not missing. |
| 03:27.08 | kabotage | micky: thanks. i'l wrote that down :D |
| 03:27.10 | nsadmin | Arafangion: then why is this an issue? |
| 03:27.22 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Because it's not working on _debian_, in _fluxbox_. |
| 03:27.24 | Vasistha | Arafangion: ooh -- the 1.4 version installed in /opt but the 1.5 version does not |
| 03:27.34 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Curious. |
| 03:27.48 | nsadmin | ohh, it should work with a particular wm? |
| 03:27.57 | Vasistha | nsadmin: it's a debian package that comes from other people, not in debian |
| 03:28.22 | nsadmin | so it's unofficially present, and officially missing |
| 03:28.22 | Vasistha | thanks, dpkg -c |
| 03:29.16 | Arafangion | nsadmin: I have a suspicion that nm-applet is infact working correctly, but some dependency that it uses, which happens to be gnome specific, isn't working 100%, which could well be the keyring system. |
| 03:29.36 | abrotman | kabotage: did you try lsb_release -a ? |
| 03:29.41 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Of course, like hte rest of gnome, the keyring system is utterly undiagnosable. |
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| 03:30.30 | kabotage | abrotman: yea. says command not found |
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| 03:31.32 | Arafangion | It appears that wicd tries very hard to be natively part of a distribution. |
| 03:31.39 | Arafangion | hacks the file to install into opt. |
| 03:32.14 | jpinx | kabotage: odd - I have a standard lenny install and lsb_release -a just worked |
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| 03:33.59 | kabotage | jpinx: dont have an idea |
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| 03:34.27 | jpinx | try installing it kabotage ? |
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| 03:35.11 | kabotage | jpinx: PM? |
| 03:35.17 | jpinx | k |
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| 03:36.48 | Arafangion | wicd installation is a bit /odd/. |
| 03:36.55 | Arafangion | It thinks it's a library, and not a program. |
| 03:37.28 | jpinx | just followed the instructions and wicd "just worked" ;) |
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| 03:37.58 | Arafangion | jpinx: I dislike having a 'dirty' system. |
| 03:38.10 | jpinx | Arafangion: ok |
| 03:39.44 | frgomes | Hi guys :) I have 2 desktops. I have exchanged their HDs so that now my development happens in the fastest one and my production website runs in the slowest one. After I exchanged HDs, Debian got confused because 'old' devices where nof found anymore whilst 'new' devices where mapped to new addresses. Some of these problems I sorted out. Now the problem is that CPUs are devices too and 'top' reports absurd values because it frequency MHz are |
| 03:39.46 | frgomes | inverted between the computers. Any idea about how I could sort out this problem? |
| 03:40.05 | frgomes | Thanks a lot :) |
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| 03:40.29 | Arafangion | upgrades nm-applet, apparently it has had "lots of bug fixes". |
| 03:42.05 | micky | frgomes are you using custom kernels? |
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| 03:42.30 | jpinx | Arafangion: I don't have nm-applet at all |
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| 03:43.41 | Arafangion | jpinx: As a rule, you shouldn't have files in /usr that aren't managed by the system package manager. |
| 03:44.32 | frgomes | No. I'm using stock kernels. Etch in one and Lenny in the other. |
| 03:44.55 | frgomes | micky: No. I'm using stock kernels. Etch in one and Lenny in the other. |
| 03:45.42 | micky | frgomes: they should be fine then, at least that trick worked for me each time i did it, but keep in mind i was using intel/nvidia systems |
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| 03:47.29 | Arafangion | Even ATI is fine with stock kernels, depending on the versions of the kernel and the module. |
| 03:47.51 | frgomes | micky: Before the exchange, I had AMD X2 4200+ / 1000Mhz per cpu in one and AMD X2 5800+ / 2300Mhz per cpu in the other. Now it's reported 4200+ / 2300Mhz in one and 5800+ / 100Mhz int the other. The CPU models are OK but Mhz are incorrect. |
| 03:48.39 | micky | now that`s a new one |
| 03:48.45 | frgomes | micky: It does not seem to be harmful... but 'top' reports absurd numbers and now my website "times out" after 30 secs when, in reality, only few seconds passed! :/ |
| 03:48.49 | Arafangion | frgomes: From /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 03:49.28 | micky | frgomes: paste your /proc/cpuinfo in a pastebin |
| 03:51.23 | micky | frgomes also you should check if you`re not running any cpu scailing app |
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| 03:53.06 | flourish | for network printer, it always changes to LaserJet: /dev/null, what's the problem |
| 03:53.10 | flourish | ? |
| 03:53.30 | frgomes | micky: http://pastebin.com/m44b6a3e8 |
| 03:53.38 | flourish | after stop cups and rm /var/cache/cups/ and then restart cups, it works again |
| 03:54.07 | frgomes | micky: what is a cpu scaling app? |
| 03:54.13 | flourish | but why it always change to /dev/null? can someone help me? |
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| 03:54.34 | Arafangion | frgomes: Scales your cpu, ie, down to save power/heat, or up for more performance. |
| 03:54.36 | pickcoder | flourish: change the printer config using the web gui |
| 03:54.59 | pickcoder | scaling normally refers to frequency scaling |
| 03:55.14 | pickcoder | the cpu core frequency is dropped when mostly idle |
| 03:55.38 | flourish | /wc/ |
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| 03:56.27 | WX_0 | pickcoder: What's going on? |
| 03:56.33 | micky | frgomes: no idea really, you might want to ask #linux too |
| 03:56.50 | pickcoder | same ole crap different day |
| 03:56.54 | frgomes | pickcoder,micky: no. I'm not using anything special. One box is simply a webserver+postgres and another box is development. No games, etc. Is there something I should verify? |
| 03:57.38 | micky | frgomes: both of the boxes have the same simptoms ? |
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| 04:00.01 | frgomes | micky: yes. CPU model correct and reported cpu frequency is inverted (the old values were kept). I've noticed that stepping and cache size are correct too. |
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| 04:00.57 | pickcoder | I've never had luck with freq scaling |
| 04:01.35 | pickcoder | the testing I did on my X2 server locked the thing @ 1Ghz until I disabled it and rebooted |
| 04:01.47 | miksuh | works just gine here |
| 04:01.55 | micky | frgomes check /var/log/dmesg and see if it detects the cpu right |
| 04:02.06 | miksuh | gine=fine |
| 04:03.46 | pickcoder | guess it was a full moon and I didn't face North when turning it on |
| 04:04.03 | miksuh | amd 64 x2 3800+ cpu and scaling works just fine. |
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| 04:04.22 | micky | frgomes: check out http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/browse_thread/thread/2ee6dd544e743224 |
| 04:04.37 | pickcoder | miksuh: which scaling daemon |
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| 04:05.49 | miksuh | pickcoder:i don't run any daemon like cpufreqd, |
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| 04:06.22 | miksuh | I just installed cpufrequtils |
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| 04:06.49 | pickcoder | that's installed here |
| 04:06.50 | micky | lol aptitude got real smart lately " Need to get 60.4MB of archives. After unpacking 7818kB will be used. " |
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| 04:07.16 | frgomes | micky: time.c: Detected 2204.969 MHz processor. --> This is correct! :) in the fastest box. But somewhere later: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ stepping 02 --> This is the old CPU model :( |
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| 04:07.55 | micky | frgomes have you considered installing a newer kernel ? |
| 04:08.16 | micky | frgomes it cant hurt |
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| 04:09.33 | frgomes | micky: FYI: I have VirtualBox installed in one of the boxes too. |
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| 04:10.16 | frgomes | micky: Yes, I can reinstall the kernel. What should I do? What do you recommend? |
| 04:10.48 | frgomes | micky: but I dont think VirtualBox has anything to do with it. |
| 04:10.52 | micky | frgomes: just use aptitude to get the latest version available for your debian version |
| 04:11.21 | frgomes | my both boxes are up-to-date. I run apt-get upgrade daily. |
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| 04:11.46 | frgomes | should I run dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 04:12.56 | brutus | Hi, my graphics card is not being detected even though restricted device manager says the driver is enabled. I cannot change desktop effects or screen resolution. Can someone please help me out? Here is my xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/124110/ |
| 04:13.02 | micky | frgomes: if you`re running apt-get upgrade daily didn`t you keep an older kernel present in the system ? |
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| 04:13.39 | frgomes | micky: yes. there are older versions which appear in grub screen |
| 04:13.44 | hark_ | brutus: what's 'restricted device manager'? |
| 04:14.03 | micky | frgomes boot one of them, maby it`s a kernel bug |
| 04:14.03 | ghosTM55 | is there any difference between default-jdk package and sun official jdk ? |
| 04:15.09 | brutus | hark_, System->Administration->Restricted Device Manager |
| 04:15.37 | Vasistha | ghosTM55: probably |
| 04:16.12 | ghosTM55 | Vasistha: mmm... |
| 04:16.20 | micky | ghosTM55: the package description / changelog should point out the differences |
| 04:16.29 | Vasistha | ghosTM55: /msg dpkg java |
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| 04:17.04 | pickcoder | hark: an ubuntu app? |
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| 04:17.46 | pickcoder | the only thing restricted in Debian is the KCI |
| 04:17.49 | hark | pickcoder: oh |
| 04:17.59 | frgomes | micky: the other box has only one kernel installed. I will have to boot this box. I'll be back soon. thanks |
| 04:18.05 | hark | brutus: ask #ubuntu |
| 04:18.05 | pickcoder | is only guessing but it sounds good |
| 04:18.11 | pickcoder | :) |
| 04:18.43 | Arafangion | nsadmin, Vasistha: Fixed my problems, the issue was the /strange/ way that gnome-keyring-daemon likes to work, and that it's not "correctly" setup on Debian. |
| 04:18.55 | hark | brutus: your driver is set to vesa in your xorg.conf |
| 04:18.59 | ghosTM55 | micky , Vasistha : thx for help , i'm about to install sun-java6-jdk :) |
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| 04:19.04 | Vasistha | Arafangion: charming. Thanks for sharing your resolution! |
| 04:19.26 | Vasistha | enjoy, ghosTM55 |
| 04:20.22 | Arafangion | Vasistha: I'm annoyed with the complete lack of diagnostic information, which seems to be typical of gnome, but other than that, I'm happy(er), I haven't automated it yet (as I said, it's strange). |
| 04:20.28 | ghosTM55 | Vasistha: :) , haven't been using debian for really long time , i used archlinux for more than one year , just came back debian 5 :) |
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| 04:21.00 | Arafangion | That reminds me... How do I export bash variables, which are outputted by a process on it's stdout? |
| 04:21.10 | Vasistha | Arafangion: yeah I feel the same way about both nm and wicd -- the darn thing doesn't let you know if it's looking for a dhcp address or ... what it's doing. just this useless progress bar. |
| 04:21.19 | Vasistha | ghosTM55: welcome back |
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| 04:21.21 | Arafangion | gnome-keyring-manager outputs environment variables on it's stdout, which then need to be copied and set. |
| 04:21.42 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Indeed. |
| 04:21.55 | ghosTM55 | Vasistha: :) , gotta go to work , see you |
| 04:22.03 | Vasistha | Arafangion: so e.g. you would run gnome-keyring-manager from the command line and the output would be "hello" and you want to capture that "hello" ? |
| 04:22.08 | Arafangion | Vasistha: As a software engineer, I can understand the rationale, but for crying out loud, at least allow a --verbose option! |
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| 04:22.40 | Arafangion | Vasistha: The output is (for example - there are two lines - I'm showing the first one): GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET=/tmp/keyring-Bgi0La/socket |
| 04:22.42 | Vasistha | Arafangion: user-friendliness is lots of work to implement :P |
| 04:22.54 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Dumping raw logs isn't exactly difficult. |
| 04:23.22 | Vasistha | Arafangion: true. Anyway ... x=$(gnome-keyring-manager) will store the output of the command in a variable called x |
| 04:23.52 | Arafangion | Vasistha: The output of that program is _two_ lines, and therefore _two_ variables. |
| 04:24.41 | nsadmin | no, one variable... it removes the |
| 04:25.00 | nsadmin | \ns in the output and replaces them with spaces |
| 04:25.13 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Then that isn't good enough. |
| 04:25.23 | nsadmin | which isn't to say you can't split the lines |
| 04:25.44 | Vasistha | Arafangion: right ... I'm tempted to tell you to go to #bash because I am rusty. You could also e.g. gnome-key | while read line; do whatever-you-want "$line"; done |
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| 04:26.10 | Arafangion | nsadmin: I'm also very rusty on bash. :) |
| 04:26.20 | nsadmin | read probably reads "words" |
| 04:26.22 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Not a bad solution. |
| 04:26.24 | Vasistha | !tell ghosTM55 -about msg |
| 04:26.28 | nsadmin | but I'm rusty too |
| 04:26.41 | Arafangion | nsadmin: If it does, then that can be changed if you set the word separator variable to the newline. |
| 04:27.13 | nsadmin | oh, that's true... but with all the caveats that goes with doing that |
| 04:27.17 | micky | does anyone know of a solution to store apache virtual host configuration into a mysql database ? aside from pipeing mysql-client commands into the main config file ? |
| 04:27.27 | bullgard4 | What data does evolution-data-server provide (to other programs)? |
| 04:27.44 | Vasistha | Arafangion: oh, oh yeah ... with the orig. solution, echo "$x" will show them on separate lines ... I'm not sure how you want to use the info... |
| 04:27.44 | nsadmin | micky: create table? |
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| 04:28.19 | Arafangion | Vasistha: I want to export them so that other programs that require access to the gnome keyring can see them. As I said, it's doing it in a damn strange way - typical Gnome. |
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| 04:31.13 | frgomes | micky: I'm back. I reboted with old vesions... that's the same :( |
| 04:31.54 | Vasistha | Arafangion: oh, oh, right ... uhm, gosh, there should be a way to do that without writing your own bash script -- have you restarted your de since getting the keyring working? It might be the kind of thing where your DE process doesn't have the vars so none of the child forks get them either |
| 04:32.28 | Arafangion | Vasistha: I'm not running a DE. |
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| 04:33.35 | michael__ | how is via chipset support nowadays, would you feel comfortable using softraid on one for your important data in a raid1? |
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| 04:34.15 | Vasistha | thought gnome was a de, huh ... well I suppose the keyring can run without the environment. |
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| 04:34.54 | Vasistha | Arafangion: I mean one solution that comes to mind is to use eval, but that is dangerous, dangerous, dangerous ... although perhaps appropriate in this circumstance |
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| 04:35.38 | Vasistha | Arafangion: x=$(gnome-key-whataver-it-was); eval "$x"; # again I say this is dangerous, dangerous, dangerous |
| 04:35.46 | Arafangion | Vasistha: It is indeed appropriate. |
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| 04:36.09 | Arafangion | Vasistha: if gnome-keyring-manager is insecure, then many users are stuffed. ;) |
| 04:36.24 | Arafangion | (Heck, it's designed to be integrated into PAM) |
| 04:36.24 | Vasistha | Arafangion: well I suppose that's true |
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| 04:38.28 | Thasp | is there a way as root user & owner of a system, with physical access to the machine, to retrieve the password of a user instead of change it? |
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| 04:39.33 | defaultuser | Hello |
| 04:39.35 | racecar56 | ok i want to move a file i have to my windows install, i edited fstab and told it to mount /dev/sda4 (my windows partiton) to /windows, now i try to move the file and it says permission denied, i tried it with sudo and it said the same, i even tried 'sudo su -' and then repeated and it still dosent work? what the heck? |
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| 04:39.58 | racecar56 | even if i do plain old su |
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| 04:42.14 | Malf | racecar56: mv or cp? and if it's mv is it mounted with write access? |
| 04:42.20 | racecar56 | mv |
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| 04:43.46 | Vasistha | Thasp: I don't believe so |
| 04:44.34 | Decepticon | in crontab, this is every 1:30 hrs ? 30 */1 * * * rsync ... if it is then i dont understand why i have two concurrent rsync processes running (transferring the same LARGE file). is it my bandwidth limitations thats causing the transfer to be in progress, and thus not appear as the actual file on the remot dir, causing rsync to retransfer it, hence lauching a 2nd process? |
| 04:44.35 | Vasistha | Thasp: passwords are hashed before they are stored in /etc/shadow, so you'd have to do an attack on the hash |
| 04:45.27 | Vasistha | racecar56: run 'mount' and check if the partition is mounted read-only |
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| 04:46.29 | xst | Does anyone have experience upgrading a box with a Promise TX4 SATA controller and software raid-1 to Lenny? Will it still work after the upgrade? |
| 04:46.49 | mns | Thasp: If I am not mistaken, the passwords are one way hashes. You can't "undo" them. |
| 04:47.05 | Thasp | i figured |
| 04:47.21 | Thasp | i'll just delete the users and give them new passwords as ftp only users |
| 04:47.33 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Strictly speaking, decrypting the hash is useless - the decrypted information is typically the empty string. ;) |
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| 04:48.25 | Vasistha | Arafangion: I meant an attach of the type where you find a string that creates the same hash -- a collision attack |
| 04:48.32 | Vasistha | *attack |
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| 04:48.36 | Arafangion | Vasistha: I know. |
| 04:48.44 | Arafangion | win 2 |
| 04:48.46 | Vasistha | smack head |
| 04:48.51 | bonez45 | what do I type to tel l me if I am running etch or which version? |
| 04:49.11 | Vasistha | bonez45: cat /etc/debian_version or /etc/issue |
| 04:49.19 | Arafangion | Vasistha: I did start with "strictly speaking..." |
| 04:49.51 | bonez45 | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l so, what do I have here? etch? |
| 04:50.00 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Wouldn't that just tell you the version that was installed initially? |
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| 04:50.10 | Vasistha | xst: you should probably read the release notes, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 04:50.18 | Vasistha | bonez45: looks like |
| 04:50.19 | pl4yer0ne | Vasistha, that wont tell you if its stable/testing/etc |
| 04:50.20 | pickcoder | Arafangion: dist-upgrade changes it |
| 04:50.22 | bonez45 | ok... |
| 04:50.35 | Vasistha | Arafangion: that's updated when you upgrade ;) |
| 04:50.41 | Arafangion | bonez45: Best bet is to set /etc/apt/sources.list up the wya you want, and to ensure that your system is up-to-date. |
| 04:50.44 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Nice. |
| 04:50.48 | bonez45 | If I want to find out how to set my samba installation.. so that it will allow me to log on.. for this version.. where do I look? |
| 04:50.59 | Vasistha | pl4yer0ne: if it's testing/unstable then it should say something to that extent |
| 04:51.00 | pl4yer0ne | bonez45, check your /etc/apt/sources.list and see what sources you have listed. |
| 04:51.02 | Arafangion | Vasistha: I guess that if it's a mixed system, all bets (and support) are cancelled? :) |
| 04:51.36 | bonez45 | Arafangion: I plan to move everything on this box. to a newer machine.. and then replace the fan, reformat the hard drive.. and reload ubuntu 8.10.. on this machine.. |
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| 04:51.51 | roe__ | I am trying to setup netsnmpd but am failing |
| 04:51.54 | pl4yer0ne | not always |
| 04:52.03 | roe__ | I can snmpwalk from the the localhost, but not from a remote machine |
| 04:52.21 | Arafangion | bonez45: Not Debian? |
| 04:52.26 | pickcoder | roe_: did you allow remote access via the ACL? |
| 04:53.06 | roe__ | after running snmpconf -g basic_setup |
| 04:53.30 | roe__ | I have this line in the "Access Control Setup" |
| 04:53.31 | roe__ | rocommunity public |
| 04:53.39 | roe__ | and a rwcommunity private ariel |
| 04:53.40 | roe__ | that is is |
| 04:53.44 | roe__ | it* |
| 04:53.44 | Vasistha | Arafangion: well the really annoying thing is that some debian-based distros (cough-buntu) keep that line intact, so when people ask for help here and one is suspicious of other distros, we typically ask about the version of libc6 rather than relying on /etc/issue |
| 04:53.51 | pickcoder | iptables --list shows everything ALLOW? |
| 04:54.19 | Decepticon | help, i have a rsync command run to transfer files from A to B, but cron runs it every 1:30 hrs, and sometimes thats not enough time to have transfered everything to B, so i end up with 2 rsync processes within 3 hours all transfering the same file cause it hasnt finished reaching there with the original rsync process |
| 04:54.22 | Vasistha | !tell roe__ about enter |
| 04:54.41 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Interesting. |
| 04:54.50 | cygnus | Decepticon: script it so that if rsync is still running it waits a few times |
| 04:54.50 | roe__ | pickcoder, yup |
| 04:55.06 | Decepticon | i would have to make a pid file ? |
| 04:55.08 | Decepticon | i see |
| 04:55.18 | Decepticon | or ps aux | grep rsync |
| 04:55.23 | cygnus | you could use ps ye |
| 04:55.42 | cygnus | if (ps aux | grep rsync | wc -l > 0) something like that |
| 04:55.44 | roe__ | pickcoder, actually it looks like my iptables is completely empty |
| 04:55.52 | pickcoder | heh... I ran across rsync stacking myself once |
| 04:56.15 | pickcoder | the ISP finally turned the tap down on the connection after 2 days of sustained max bandwidth |
| 04:56.30 | Decepticon | cygnus thats great thanks |
| 04:57.03 | Arafangion | pickcoder: That reminds me of the day when I accidently DOS'ed jabber.org.au. :) |
| 04:57.08 | else58 | I'm trying to install lenny amd64, but getting "unable to install the selected kernel", then in syslog I see: "in-target: mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image." |
| 04:57.28 | else58 | where can I look for more info on what exactly is wrong? |
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| 04:57.35 | Vasistha | Decepticon, cygnus pgrep would be more appropriate here |
| 04:57.43 | else58 | or can I try that step in a shell window? |
| 04:57.48 | Decepticon | why is that |
| 04:57.55 | Arafangion | pickcoder: (Two computers, two jabber clients, both connecting with the same resource and disconnecting the other, repeatedly, without a delay, on a fast connection) |
| 04:58.09 | Vasistha | Decepticon: ps aux | grep will also catch your "grep rsync" process |
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| 04:59.55 | pickcoder | :) |
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| 05:00.08 | Decepticon | cron should run later if anything, to allow the file transfer to happen and complete |
| 05:00.16 | Decepticon | but i cant predict the times, so ... this is best method |
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| 05:00.42 | Vasistha | okay I have wasted far too much time! Have a great day y'all. Nice meeting you, Arafangion |
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| 05:01.40 | Quicken2k | how do I enable KDE 4.1? |
| 05:02.01 | xst | Are there any risk that lenny can't read my software raid if I upgrade from sarge. It is a jump of two whole versions. What is the chance that the software raid still works after the upgrade? |
| 05:02.23 | beardy | xst: Backup, backup, backup. |
| 05:02.41 | Quicken2k | Yep, |
| 05:02.53 | keith4_ | xst: sarge to lenny? you're brave |
| 05:03.00 | xst | beardy: The problem is that there is about 10.000 km between me and the server ... |
| 05:03.12 | Quicken2k | how do I setup a dsl connection? |
| 05:03.14 | xst | So I can't just walk up to it and reboot |
| 05:03.28 | keith4_ | !tell xst about sarge->lenny |
| 05:03.30 | craigevil | Quicken2k: use the kde4 backports or if you are really brave install kde4.2 from exp |
| 05:03.35 | Arafangion | xst: 10 km? Pfft, that's nothing. :) (Damn localization issues...) |
| 05:03.43 | xst | The Atlantic ocean is in between |
| 05:03.52 | xst | No, not 10 km. 10.000 km |
| 05:03.54 | beardy | xst: The more reason to be careful. Noone can give you the odds, but it's likely that you need to solve some things. |
| 05:03.55 | xst | :-) |
| 05:04.05 | keith4_ | don't do it |
| 05:04.10 | keith4_ | listen to dpkg |
| 05:04.13 | Quicken2k | where is it in the snyptic manager? |
| 05:04.36 | Arafangion | xst: The 'dot' is usually the decimal separator in my country, and the US as well, for your country, that'd be the ',' operator. |
| 05:04.37 | xst | keith4_: dpkg didn't tell me anything |
| 05:04.50 | xst | woops, yes it did |
| 05:04.55 | craigevil | Quicken2k: http://kde4.debian.net/ |
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| 05:05.25 | Arafangion | xst: Though, in my country, the space is used alot more than the comma for the thousands separator, so that'd be "10 000 km" here. |
| 05:06.12 | beardy | xst: Can you coordinate with someone on site, if need be? Before you do anything, make a full restorable backup. |
| 05:06.27 | Arafangion | xst: Unfortunately you must always assume the worst if you're changing the kernel, so I suggest finding out if you can get the admin of the colo facility to reboot the system for you. Might cost a bit, but at least its an option. |
| 05:07.03 | keith4_ | if it's costs you anything extra, you need to find a new provider |
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| 05:07.31 | Quicken2k | thanks. |
| 05:07.54 | xst | beardy: If just the server can boot and get network access again, then I'm happy. (Then I can at least access the machine) |
| 05:07.55 | Quicken2k | Now where can I find the pppoe configuration ? |
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| 05:08.22 | roe__ | keith4_, netsnmpd is giving me a headache |
| 05:08.37 | Arafangion | keith4_: Getting someone to hit the reset switch should be free, but what if for some reason, a mistake means that you have to do some minor admin or restore from backup? |
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| 05:08.51 | xst | hmm |
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| 05:09.00 | keith4_ | !pppoe |
| 05:09.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, pppoe is Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet. "apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf" and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian. This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPoE support, in 2.4 kernels, enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support. |
| 05:09.10 | keith4_ | Quicken2k: ^^ |
| 05:09.14 | keith4_ | roe__: what about it? |
| 05:09.21 | craigevil | Quicken2k: if you're using kde try kppp |
| 05:09.28 | roe__ | I can walk from localhost but not from a remote machine |
| 05:09.30 | beardy | xst: If it has to be able to read from a raid to get up, it's quite likely there will be problems. So, expect the worst, and prepare for how to recover. |
| 05:09.45 | Quicken2k | need the net to use apt-get don't I? |
| 05:10.13 | roe__ | Quicken2k, not necessarily, if you have CD/DVDs you can configure apt to use those |
| 05:10.21 | beardy | Quicken2k: aptitude is the recommended package handling tool. Like roe__ said. |
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| 05:10.39 | Quicken2k | yeah have the 1st dvd |
| 05:10.48 | Quicken2k | where is aptitude then? |
| 05:10.52 | Arafangion | beardy: I'm not sure if I like the way aptitude marks applications. |
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| 05:11.15 | beardy | Quicken2k: It's already there. |
| 05:11.19 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 05:11.19 | dpkg | aptitude is, like, now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 05:11.19 | Arafangion | beardy: It is indeed better, though - the issue is how it interacts with apt-get and dpkg -i. |
| 05:11.20 | keith4_ | roe__: you didn't honestly expect that snmpd would listen to anything other than localhost by default, did you? |
| 05:11.31 | roe__ | default nothing |
| 05:11.38 | Arafangion | dpkg: Why not aptitude? |
| 05:11.39 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source". |
| 05:12.02 | xst | beardy: ok, interesting... Have you heard about anyone having these problems? I would like to read up on the possible scenarious |
| 05:12.17 | beardy | xst: No, I'm just telling you general things. |
| 05:12.21 | xst | ok |
| 05:12.41 | beardy | xst: Read up on Murphy's law too. :) |
| 05:13.07 | keith4_ | roe__: one might even say... by "/etc/default" |
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| 05:13.16 | beardy | xst: How come you didn't upgrade to etch earlier? |
| 05:13.37 | keith4_ | beardy: he didn't have time |
| 05:13.51 | roe__ | seriously? snmpdopts? |
| 05:14.00 | xst | There was not one millisecond free to upgrade it |
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| 05:14.07 | keith4_ | roe__: see the Nagios page in our wiki, for more information |
| 05:14.08 | xst | It is a quite mission critical server |
| 05:14.33 | beardy | Then I'm sure you have people there to help you in siatuations like this. |
| 05:14.39 | xst | nope |
| 05:14.46 | beardy | Then it's not that critical. |
| 05:14.51 | xst | yes :-) |
| 05:15.20 | roe__ | keith4_, "change the IP" change it to the external IP? |
| 05:15.51 | keith4_ | xst: plus, you only had... what, almost 2 years? |
| 05:16.13 | keith4_ | roe__: yes, although i suspect 0.0.0.0 would work, if you prefer |
| 05:16.57 | roe__ | beaty |
| 05:17.02 | roe__ | er, beauty |
| 05:17.19 | roe__ | the debian way is very nice... the second time you need to do something |
| 05:17.37 | keith4_ | how much time would you have saved if you had gone to the wiki and searched for "snmp"? |
| 05:17.59 | roe__ | being that we aren't indexing content - that wouldn't have hlped too much |
| 05:18.07 | roe__ | just titles |
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| 05:18.35 | roe__ | nm, guess we changed that |
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| 05:19.37 | keith4_ | roe__: yah, about 6 months ago |
| 05:19.55 | roe__ | didn't get the tps report |
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| 05:24.24 | Swistaczek | Hello |
| 05:25.02 | Swistaczek | I'v seen something like repoo with compiled php, etc. stuff that I need for my webserver |
| 05:25.07 | Swistaczek | could some one help me? |
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| 05:25.27 | celeritas | in lenny... Can't init plugin /usr/lib/bluetooth/plugins/audio.so |
| 05:25.33 | celeritas | that's when I run hcid -n |
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| 05:26.45 | celeritas | oh, and hcid also segfaults every time I try to play audio |
| 05:26.59 | else58 | I got aptitude to install linux-image2.6.26-1-amd64 in a chroot /target |
| 05:27.32 | dmoerner | Swistaczek: php is in debian |
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| 05:28.14 | Linuturk | hugglez debian |
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| 05:29.37 | Swistaczek | dmoerner: yup, but I seen repo with all goodies for providing something like "5-clicks-web-server" |
| 05:29.38 | Swistaczek | :D |
| 05:29.46 | celeritas | http://pastie.org/402876 |
| 05:29.51 | celeritas | crashy apps do not belong in stable |
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| 05:31.37 | dmoerner | celeritas: what are you trying to do |
| 05:31.40 | Swistaczek | dmarkey: there was php with sushosin etc. |
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| 05:32.00 | celeritas | dmoerner: trying to get bluetooth audio working |
| 05:32.39 | dmoerner | celeritas: are you compiling your own kernel? /usr/src/linux is an odd place to be |
| 05:33.19 | celeritas | dmoerner: well, I've rebuilt the kernel several times to modularize bluetooth |
| 05:34.03 | celeritas | oh, and aplay -D bluetooth (with bluetooth set up in /etc/asound.conf) kills off the hcid |
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| 05:37.21 | celeritas | dmoerner: http://pastie.org/402883 |
| 05:37.35 | celeritas | dmoerner: I think the EPROTONOSUPPORT might be fairly bad... |
| 05:39.55 | celeritas | anyone know what that actually means, and if I can even do anything? |
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| 05:41.46 | marupa | Hi all, just trying to get a LAMP stack working. I have apache, mysql, and php working, mysql's working fine, as is apache and php, but I've tried to get php5-mysql installed, but every time I do I get a segfault. Or would I need to go to #php? |
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| 05:43.19 | Swistaczek | Could some one help me with this http://pastie.org/402886 ? |
| 05:43.28 | newsense | 0x000ae |
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| 05:45.14 | arvind_khadri | hi, i installed debian, i also have ubuntu installed. the problem is that the grub isnt able to boot both of them. for debian it says that filesystem type is fat and for ubuntu it doesnt recognize the fs at all |
| 05:45.34 | keith4_ | Swistaczek: someone in #debian-pl can probably read that |
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| 05:47.00 | Swistaczek | keith4: http://translate.google.pl/translate?prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpastie.org%2F402886&sl=pl&tl=en&history_state0=&swap=1 |
| 05:47.06 | arvind_khadri | any ideas? |
| 05:48.14 | marupa | Any suggestions for php5-mysql causing a segfault? |
| 05:50.05 | Swistaczek | http://translate.google.pl/translate?prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpastie.org%2F402892&sl=pl&tl=en&history_state0=&swap=1 |
| 05:50.49 | Swistaczek | I dont know what I make bad |
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| 05:55.58 | _2e0spf | hi |
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| 05:57.47 | _2e0spf | i wonder if someone can give me some advice. i have a network card with multiple IP addresses and by default all traffic has a source ip of the first ip address. Is it possible to force traffic to certain destinations to use one of the alias ip's as a source? |
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| 05:58.41 | _2e0spf | i have tried route add -host x.x.x.x dev eth0:2 |
| 05:58.45 | _2e0spf | but that didnt work |
| 05:59.05 | arvind_khadri | hi, i installed debian, i also have ubuntu installed. the problem is that the grub isnt able to boot both of them. for debian it says that filesystem type is fat and for ubuntu it doesnt recognize the fs at all..... |
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| 06:01.09 | stew | _2e0spf: "ip route add 1.2.3.4/32 dev eth0 src 5.6.7.8" would use source address 5.6.7.8 when talking to the 1.2.3.4/32 network |
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| 06:01.25 | goauld | what is the best console traffic monitor for debian? |
| 06:01.35 | marupa | ntop, in my opinion |
| 06:01.40 | goauld | i want to see traffic flowing |
| 06:01.40 | marupa | well, not console |
| 06:01.44 | stew | arvind_khadri: what exactly is the error message you get with debian? |
| 06:01.55 | stew | goauld: try iptraf |
| 06:02.05 | goauld | ok |
| 06:02.47 | arvind_khadri | stew, Filesystem is fat, partition type is 0x83 ... Could not boot into debian |
| 06:02.52 | marupa | Excuse my braindeadedness, but is there a way to downgrade from squeeze to lenny? |
| 06:03.13 | marupa | just update the apt/sources.list, right? |
| 06:03.20 | stew | arvind_khadri: is it possible you are trying to boot the wrong partition or disk? |
| 06:03.28 | Acedip | i've installed lenny but i seemed to have missed the network install so the synaptic is not installed..how to install it.. |
| 06:03.53 | marupa | Acedip, is apt-get installed? |
| 06:03.57 | stew | marupa: there is no automated way to downgrade. downgrading isn't really supported or guaranteed to work |
| 06:04.02 | arvind_khadri | stew, no... as i used the grub installed by debian...btw i had to install the grub again ... as it wasnt properly.... |
| 06:04.14 | marupa | stew, drat. Full reinstall. That bites. Ahwell. |
| 06:04.16 | stew | arvind_khadri: do you have a working install disk or livecd? |
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| 06:04.30 | arvind_khadri | stew, right now on ubuntu... |
| 06:04.31 | stew | marupa: you can try "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" but it is usually tedious |
| 06:04.44 | stew | arvind_khadri: what does "file -s /dev/whatever" say for the partition with debian on it? |
| 06:04.54 | Acedip | marupa: well wats the diff b/w apt-get and aptitude |
| 06:05.03 | stew | Acedip: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 06:05.11 | marupa | stew, It'd not be a problem but my last partition doesn't want to reformat on reinstall. |
| 06:05.26 | stew | marupa: what do you mean by "doesn't want to"? |
| 06:05.38 | arvind_khadri | stew, writable, no read permission |
| 06:05.50 | marupa | stew, freezes every time I try to format it to ext3, no matter what drive I have in there. |
| 06:06.03 | stew | arvind_khadri: that was the output? |
| 06:06.10 | arvind_khadri | stew, ya |
| 06:06.26 | stew | arvind_khadri: what exact command did ou run? |
| 06:06.39 | Malf | Acedip: For your purposes you can either apt-get install synaptic or aptitude install synaptic and then you should be good to go |
| 06:06.41 | arvind_khadri | file -s /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:06.44 | stew | marupa: I'd suspect bad hardware |
| 06:07.01 | marupa | stew, bad sata controller maybe? |
| 06:07.13 | stew | marupa: i'd start by checking the memory |
| 06:07.25 | Acedip | well thankyou guys..malf stew marupa |
| 06:07.31 | stew | arvind_khadri: can you mount it? are you sure that /dev/sdb1 is correct? |
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| 06:07.41 | stew | arvind_khadri: there is no other output? |
| 06:07.46 | marupa | stew: Did, checked memory and it was good, smart-checked the drives, and they're good. |
| 06:07.48 | Malf | not a problem |
| 06:07.59 | arvind_khadri | stew, that drive had windows installed in it previously... i formatted it while installing debian... ya i can mount it |
| 06:08.23 | arvind_khadri | stew, no there is no other output... |
| 06:08.36 | stew | i'm suprised it is mountable, but 'file' doesn't detect a filesystem |
| 06:08.39 | marupa | it'd be easier if I could get php5-mysql to work, that way I wouldn't have to downgrade. |
| 06:08.50 | Acedip | well wen i try to install pidgin from synaptic, the version available is 2.4 but the latest version is 2.5 how to get that.. |
| 06:09.53 | arvind_khadri | stew, /dev/sdb1: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, 1st sector stage2 0x1f1403f here it is... |
| 06:10.00 | goauld | stew iptraf is perfect, thanks. |
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| 06:10.39 | craigevil | Acedip: pidgin 2.5 is in testing |
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| 06:11.10 | Malf | it seems I'm behind on my upgrades then |
| 06:11.22 | Acedip | craigevil: but they are giving it at their website.. |
| 06:11.38 | marupa | stew: got any knowledge about php5-mysql? |
| 06:11.49 | Malf | Acedip: He means the testing version of debian |
| 06:11.59 | stew | marupa: if you have a question, just ask |
| 06:12.03 | Malf | Acedip: Whereas you are probably running debian stable |
| 06:12.06 | _2e0spf | stew, thanks for replying. ive just tried that but it still used the default ip as source |
| 06:12.08 | marupa | stew: I did. |
| 06:12.17 | Acedip | and how to upgrade the version of any application if synaptic is still showing the older version.. |
| 06:12.20 | Acedip | Malf: okk |
| 06:12.50 | stew | marupa: you get a segfault installing it? |
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| 06:13.03 | arvind_khadri | stew, ? so what do i do now? |
| 06:13.15 | stew | arvind_khadri: what did you do to get that output? |
| 06:13.20 | Swistaczek | how can I check which version od debian I have now? |
| 06:13.25 | arvind_khadri | stew, i used sudo :) |
| 06:13.30 | stew | aha |
| 06:13.47 | arvind_khadri | Swistaczek, lsb_release -a |
| 06:13.49 | marupa | stew: Well, no. It installs fine, but when I reboot apache, it segfaults. |
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| 06:14.21 | Swistaczek | tnx |
| 06:14.33 | stew | marupa: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy php5-mysql apache2 libapache2-mod-php5" ? |
| 06:15.01 | stew | arvind_khadri: "x86 boot sector" is odd, did you install grub to a partition instead of the mbr? |
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| 06:15.25 | keveam | Is anyone here using apt-p2p? |
| 06:15.26 | arvind_khadri | stew, nope i installed it on hd0 |
| 06:15.54 | stew | arvind_khadri: it appears that you installed it ot /dev/sdb1 too |
| 06:16.05 | arvind_khadri | stew, wud i have to do a fresh install of debia ?? |
| 06:16.15 | arvind_khadri | stew, *debian |
| 06:16.36 | stew | arvind_khadri: when it is mounted, what filesystem is it mounted as? |
| 06:16.36 | marupa | http://rafb.net/p/JltteE51.html |
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| 06:17.14 | arvind_khadri | stew, ext3 |
| 06:17.17 | stew | marupa: check the bts if you haven't already |
| 06:17.46 | stew | arvind_khadri: can you pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 06:18.06 | arvind_khadri | stew, of debian ? |
| 06:18.14 | dihymo | is gnome-look down? |
| 06:18.23 | stew | arvind_khadri: of whichever one grub sees |
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| 06:18.40 | _2e0spf | dihymo, not working here |
| 06:18.48 | Acedip | is gimp 2.6 available for debian |
| 06:18.57 | stew | judd: versions gimp |
| 06:18.57 | judd | stew: gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4 etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4 lenny: 2.4.7-1 sid: 2.6.5-1 squeeze: 2.6.5-1 |
| 06:19.08 | arvind_khadri | stew, i will paste both .. |
| 06:19.35 | Acedip | synaptic is shoeing version 2.4 |
| 06:19.57 | hughszg | hi geeks, if i didn't select "Desktop", but only selected "standard system(or base system)", if a apt-get install gnome will do the same? |
| 06:20.07 | stew | Acedip: /msg dpkg backports |
| 06:20.12 | Malf | hughszg: pretty much |
| 06:20.13 | marupa | stew: not seeing any bugs that match what I'm seeing. |
| 06:20.25 | hughszg | :) tks malf |
| 06:20.49 | stew | hughszg: not quite. "tasksel install desktop" would. if you want to see what other packages besides gnome it would install, try "tasksel --task-packages desktop" |
| 06:21.08 | arvind_khadri | stew, http://paste.debian.net/29420/ the debian one |
| 06:21.22 | stew | hughszg: one major difference in just doing "apt-get install gnome" is that you wouldn't have X installed, making gnome not very useful to you |
| 06:21.44 | hughszg | stew: thank you, i will try to do so. |
| 06:21.51 | Acedip | stew: ??? |
| 06:22.01 | stew | Acedip: yes? |
| 06:22.08 | arvind_khadri | stew, http://paste.debian.net/29421/ the presently working one ... only boots ubuntu |
| 06:22.13 | hughszg | stew: i'm using simplified chinese desktop, now i can read nothing when run aptitude in the terminal |
| 06:22.39 | Acedip | stew: "Acedip: /msg dpkg backports " , wat do u mean ? |
| 06:22.48 | stew | dpkg: tell Acedip about backports |
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| 06:23.11 | stew | Acedip: you are running debian stable. the version of gimp you are looking for is not available for stable. the way to get it install onto stable would be to use a backport |
| 06:23.38 | stew | Acedip: that should explain what that means. I don't konw of any backport being made availabe yet. you could try it yourself, but I think it might be a very big task |
| 06:23.38 | Acedip | stew: okk..:) |
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| 06:24.27 | Acedip | stew: in how much time does a package is upgraded into the deb repo after releasing the stable version.. |
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| 06:25.21 | stew | arvind_khadri: the ubuntu menu.lst doesn't seem to have anything about debian. neither menu.lst seems to boot from /dev/sdb1 (the debian one tries /dev/sda1) |
| 06:26.08 | stew | Acedip: debian rarely puts new versions in stable. it freezes testing for a number of months, and once it is nearly free of release critical bugs releases all of testing at once as unstable |
| 06:26.38 | stew | Acedip: this just happened 2 weeks ago, so expect a new version of gimp in stable in 1.5 to 2.5 years |
| 06:27.04 | arvind_khadri | stew, shall i change it to sdb1 and see? |
| 06:27.13 | stew | arvind_khadri: where? |
| 06:27.32 | stew | arvind_khadri: you are probably best off using uuids instead of sdb1 |
| 06:27.56 | arvind_khadri | stew, in the ubuntu one...there is the mention of debian... its below memtest option... |
| 06:27.59 | stew | arvind_khadri: it seems like you need to add new entries to the ubuntu menu.lst somewhere outside of the automagic section |
| 06:27.59 | hughszg | stew: when I issued 'apt-get install gnome' command, i can see X apps are included. |
| 06:28.17 | stew | hughszg: yes, lots of x applications and no x server |
| 06:28.35 | arvind_khadri | stew, ok ... |
| 06:28.48 | hughszg | stew: oh, got it. tks a lot. |
| 06:29.08 | stew | arvind_khadri: oh, sorry, i missed the debian entry there, but yes, see that it says sda1 not sdb1 |
| 06:29.19 | arvind_khadri | stew, shall i remove the root line? |
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| 06:29.39 | marupa | any suggestions for php5-mysql causing a segfault? |
| 06:29.42 | stew | arvind_khadri: no, that tells grub where to look for grub files |
| 06:29.44 | arvind_khadri | stew, and replace with UUID? |
| 06:29.58 | stew | arvind_khadri: wait, what do you mean by "root line"? |
| 06:30.06 | stew | marupa: have you checked the bts? |
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| 06:30.33 | arvind_khadri | stew, root (hd0,1) replaced by uuid of that particular drive... as thats how the entry for ubuntu is |
| 06:30.37 | marupa | stew, nothing seems to be relevant to this as far as I could tell, but then again I've not exactly had the best experience wit the bts. |
| 06:31.10 | Swistaczek | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.10 | stew | arvind_khadri: no, dont touch that root line, change the one being passed to the kenrel |
| 06:31.23 | arvind_khadri | stew, wokay sir :) |
| 06:31.25 | stew | arvind_khadri: "root=/dev/sda1" is wrong for your debian kernels it seems |
| 06:31.51 | arvind_khadri | stew, ya i will replace it with "root=UUID=blah blah " |
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| 06:32.01 | stew | arvind_khadri: do you know how to find the uuid? |
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| 06:32.24 | arvind_khadri | stew sudo blkid :P or ls -l /dev/disk-by-uuid |
| 06:32.34 | stew | you got it |
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| 06:33.18 | arvind_khadri | stew, rebooting now :) |
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| 06:43.42 | arvind_khadri | stew, got it :) now how do i put myself in sudoers ??? |
| 06:45.17 | marupa | arvind_khadri, as root: visudo |
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| 06:47.42 | arvind_khadri | marupa, aah am not so good with nano... how do i open it with vim or gedit? |
| 06:48.03 | marupa | as root vim /etc/sudoers |
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| 06:49.50 | distclean | I need help.. |
| 06:49.58 | marupa | distclean, with? |
| 06:51.19 | arvind_khadri | marupa, i cant hear mp3 play |
| 06:51.20 | distclean | Im try install linux-headers but pt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 06:51.20 | distclean | response: Impossible search pack linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 06:51.31 | distclean | marupa: please check |
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| 06:51.52 | arvind_khadri | stew, you around ?? |
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| 06:53.13 | distclean | marupa: im using lenny version |
| 06:53.15 | marupa | distclean, not sure, in that case. Never dealt with linux headers. |
| 06:53.43 | distclean | marupa: but have solution for me problem or no? |
| 06:53.56 | marupa | distclean, I don't, no. |
| 06:54.10 | distclean | hm.. ok thks man ;) |
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| 06:55.29 | distclean | marupa: because this problem linux-headers im not make and make install |
| 06:55.38 | distclean | you understand me? |
| 06:56.08 | marupa | distclean, might want to apt-cache search linux-headers and see if you can find a matching one |
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| 06:56.29 | distclean | marupa: im try |
| 06:56.57 | Doonz | hey anyone around |
| 06:57.08 | Doonz | i need help trying to get unrar to work properly |
| 06:57.45 | Doonz | i did a manual install (happend to be the first website that came up in google) when i run unrar x file.rar it just tells me its good but doesnt extract anything |
| 06:57.52 | stew | arvind_khadri: yes |
| 06:58.02 | Arafangion | Doonz: "manual install"? Of what? |
| 06:58.11 | Doonz | unrar |
| 06:58.15 | stew | arvind_khadri: if you don't like nano, "update-alternatives --config editor" and try visudo again |
| 06:58.20 | arvind_khadri | stew, i installed ntfs-3g wanted some help on making all my drives rw... |
| 06:58.27 | marupa | Can anyone help me figure out why apache2 segfaults when I load the mysql module for php5? |
| 06:58.33 | arvind_khadri | stew, am done with that thanks :) |
| 06:58.40 | stew | arvind_khadri: i don't know about it, try /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3g |
| 06:58.48 | arvind_khadri | stew, ok |
| 06:59.27 | stew | distclean: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 07:03.55 | marupa | Anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 07:04.31 | arvind_khadri | stew, what about mp3?? |
| 07:04.33 | stew | marupa: try the version from stable instead of the testing version? |
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| 07:04.38 | tuv | why isn't there xmms any more? a simple graphical audio player. xmms2 requires a server and stuff |
| 07:04.47 | stew | arvind_khadri: its an evil non-free format |
| 07:05.10 | stew | tuv: becuase it was abandoned upstream, and it depends on the the deprecated gtk 1.2 |
| 07:05.11 | marupa | stew, just download the .deb for lenny instead of squeeze? |
| 07:05.20 | arvind_khadri | stew, :) how do i play it ? |
| 07:05.25 | stew | marupa: it would be many .debs, i'd use aptitude |
| 07:05.51 | tuv | stew, any good alternatives? |
| 07:06.03 | marupa | stew, not sure what you mean. Like, update the apt sources, and apt-get update, then install php5-mysql again? |
| 07:07.09 | stew | marupa: i'd use aptitude, but perhaps add sources for stable then "apt-get install package1=version pacakge2=version..." you'd probably want to donwgrade libapahce2-mod-php5 and php5 and php5-common at the same time. personally, i'd use the aptitude frontend |
| 07:07.13 | stew | tuv: lots |
| 07:07.19 | stew | arvind_khadri: aptitude search '~Gmp3' |
| 07:07.24 | tuv | what is a good xmms replacement? |
| 07:08.07 | stew | tuv: xmms2, audacious, quod-libet, cplay, there are dozens |
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| 07:09.02 | marupa | stew, Never used the aptitude frontend or specified a specific version for a package. just like, apt-get install php5-common=lenny ? |
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| 07:09.36 | stew | marupa: yes, though you are going to have to downgrade many packages at once |
| 07:09.55 | marupa | stew: so just check what php5-mysql depends on? |
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| 07:10.36 | stew | no, like I said, I'd also downgrade libapahce2-mod-php5 at the same time |
| 07:11.01 | marupa | so just those four you said? |
| 07:11.09 | industrialbs | To install debian do I *have* to download all 7 DVD ISOs ? |
| 07:11.18 | marupa | industrialbs, no. |
| 07:11.28 | industrialbs | Huzzah |
| 07:11.32 | stew | marupa: i'd start with those and see what else needed to be done to satisfy the dependencies, (which aptitude would have with) |
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| 07:11.47 | marupa | industrialbs, netinst is what I personally use. |
| 07:12.00 | stew | industrialbs: just 1 cd is enough, you'd only need more if you were installing onto a machine that couldn't get on a network to fetch packages |
| 07:12.17 | marupa | stew, and I'd have to edit sources.lst to put in deb repos for lenny as well? |
| 07:12.24 | marupa | stew, or instead of? |
| 07:12.26 | industrialbs | ah, ok thanks. I really wan't in the mood to download 30 gbs of data |
| 07:12.31 | stew | marupa: as well |
| 07:12.45 | marupa | stew: perfect. |
| 07:13.02 | industrialbs | Then another question, *why* are there 7 ISOs ? |
| 07:13.19 | marupa | industrialbs, complete offline installation? |
| 07:13.49 | industrialbs | That is certifiably insane. |
| 07:13.51 | stew | industrialbs: becuase there are 23,000 packages |
| 07:14.04 | stew | marupa: what is this machine going to be used for? |
| 07:14.09 | marupa | industrialbs, Maybe someone wants to host their own repo? |
| 07:14.14 | marupa | stew, little private LAMP server. |
| 07:14.35 | stew | marupa: ok, i'd hope it wasn't going to be on the internet, as testing currently has no security support |
| 07:15.15 | marupa | stew, assuming I downgraded properly to lenny, would there be a lot of 'fragments' from squeeze? |
| 07:15.30 | stew | marupa: i have no idea what packages you installed |
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| 07:15.58 | marupa | stew, lamp, and some general stuff. links, links2, lynx, curl, screen, and such. |
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| 07:18.08 | kindofabuzz | I've really enjoyed using Debian but want more up to date apps in the repos. should i move to the testing or just move on to something else besides Debian? Would really like to stick with Debian. |
| 07:18.31 | marupa | kindofabuzz, are you using it as a server or desktop? And do you care about security? |
| 07:18.39 | stew | kindofabuzz: which apps? |
| 07:18.43 | kindofabuzz | desktop and not really |
| 07:19.29 | kindofabuzz | stew, nothing in particular, just when i want something it's old as hell usually already in lenny repos. i guess i like cutting edge |
| 07:20.09 | arvind_khadri | stew, how do i solve this? http://paste.debian.net/29423/ |
| 07:20.36 | stew | kindofabuzz: i'd stick with debian stable for now |
| 07:21.01 | kindofabuzz | arvind_khadri, apt-get install -f, i think |
| 07:21.12 | marupa | stew, think I should attempt a downgrade, or just try and reinstall to lenny(stable)? |
| 07:21.14 | arvind_khadri | kindofabuzz, doesnt help |
| 07:21.50 | kindofabuzz | stew, i want to, it's just i'm OC about getting the newest about everything |
| 07:22.03 | stew | kindofabuzz: then you don't want debian |
| 07:22.11 | plsd | kindofabuzz, that's what stable means :) I guess you could give testing a try but from what I've heard it's a bit chaotic this soon after a release, otherwise I guess you have Ubuntu. Not that that's cutting edge either. |
| 07:22.19 | kindofabuzz | stew, yeah i guess not. that's what i was asking |
| 07:22.31 | stew | arvind_khadri: try installing one of the libraries that it says is "uninstallable" to find out why |
| 07:22.37 | kindofabuzz | i dread going back to ubuntu |
| 07:22.47 | stew | arvind_khadri: or get us the info from: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 07:23.19 | stew | !sns syndrome |
| 07:23.20 | dpkg | i guess sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 07:23.48 | kindofabuzz | isn't mepis debian based? any good? |
| 07:23.57 | kindofabuzz | hehe sns syndrome |
| 07:24.24 | stew | kindofabuzz: ask #mepis or ##linux |
| 07:24.53 | cahoot | kindofabuzz: think about it for a bit - no good odds you'll get recommandations for other distros here |
| 07:25.13 | kindofabuzz | yeah |
| 07:25.21 | plsd | and chances are the people in #mepis thinks it's a great distro |
| 07:25.45 | kindofabuzz | there's like 11 people in #mepis =) |
| 07:25.54 | arvind_khadri | stew, i have a mirror in sources.list its not reachable... can i have some other source line? |
| 07:25.56 | cahoot | a telling sign? |
| 07:26.01 | kindofabuzz | i think so |
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| 07:26.32 | stew | arvind_khadri: /msg dpkg sources.list ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 07:26.44 | stew | arvind_khadri: but that alone woulnd't cause the problem you are having |
| 07:27.20 | kindofabuzz | ok question, how often does stuff get updated? like let's just say to the newest vlc or something |
| 07:27.30 | marupa | stew: think It'd leave a lot of junk? |
| 07:27.33 | plsd | in stable? never |
| 07:27.40 | arvind_khadri | stew, so what do i do about it? |
| 07:27.41 | kindofabuzz | never? oh |
| 07:27.46 | plsd | stable means just that, nothing changes. |
| 07:28.05 | kindofabuzz | well i'm sure security patches change though right |
| 07:28.13 | plsd | yeah, that of course :) |
| 07:28.53 | stew | marupa: I'm not sure i know what you mean |
| 07:29.15 | marupa | stew, if I went through a downgrade, would it really screw things up, or would it be moderately safe? |
| 07:29.17 | stew | kindofabuzz: yes, but little else. though we will get an interim kernel update like we did for etch |
| 07:29.38 | stew | marupa: its not supported. things might break. it depends on what you are downgrading |
| 07:30.23 | marupa | stew: lamp and stuff like lynx, screen, and such |
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| 07:31.21 | stew | marupa: mysql upgrades are often not undoable without losing data, I'd think the rest of those to be fine |
| 07:31.41 | marupa | stew, I haven't imported any data to the tables, yet, so no worries there. |
| 07:31.59 | stew | marupa: what about the data that is already there? |
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| 07:32.41 | marupa | stew, I just installed debian yesterday |
| 07:32.54 | stew | marupa: there is data in your mysql database already |
| 07:33.07 | stew | marupa: you can try it and see. its not supported and there are no guarantees |
| 07:33.21 | marupa | well if worse comes to worse I guess I can reinstall. Just didn't want to. |
| 07:33.53 | stew | marupa: "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" is the recommended procedure, its tedious |
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| 07:34.18 | marupa | stew, not as tedious as attempting to install linux from source, I assume. |
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| 07:38.43 | marupa | stew: segmentation fault on aptitude. |
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| 07:39.08 | stew | marupa: i'd bet you have faulty hardware |
| 07:39.31 | marupa | Yeaah...probably. The box is a few years old. |
| 07:39.50 | marupa | And has gone through multiple power outages. |
| 07:40.46 | arvind_khadri | stew, plz help me with that.. |
| 07:41.20 | marupa | stew, for a server, which do you like better: intel or amd? |
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| 07:42.56 | Hacker | does anyone know what version of php and mysql come with debian potato? |
| 07:43.20 | dihymo | 1.0? |
| 07:43.32 | Hacker | :-/ |
| 07:43.34 | Hacker | ? |
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| 07:43.58 | Hacker | i'm looking for a version of debian comes with php 4 and mysql 3 or 4 |
| 07:44.02 | Hacker | with apache 1.3 |
| 07:44.15 | Hacker | does anyone know which version |
| 07:44.23 | Hacker | i'm new to debian :) |
| 07:44.50 | marupa | Hacker, why won't php5 work? |
| 07:45.09 | Hacker | i'm setting up a lab for my network security course |
| 07:45.16 | marupa | ah ha. I see. |
| 07:45.20 | Hacker | yes |
| 07:45.22 | Hacker | :) |
| 07:45.33 | marupa | I think etch may have php4/mysql4. Not sure about 1.3 |
| 07:45.36 | Hacker | so i need older versions of php,mysql and apache |
| 07:46.19 | Hacker | i'm searching for a list but i couldn't find one |
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| 07:50.47 | mischief6 | Hacker, you could find old versions in php/mysql/apache's archives |
| 07:51.10 | Hacker | yeah mischief6 |
| 07:51.15 | Hacker | i tried to |
| 07:51.19 | Hacker | i got some |
| 07:51.37 | Hacker | but i got so many errors when i tried to install it on the system |
| 07:51.44 | mischief6 | haha. |
| 07:51.45 | Hacker | kinda frustrated |
| 07:51.47 | Hacker | :) |
| 07:52.04 | mischief6 | you could always just grab potato and pop it in a VM/spare box |
| 07:52.11 | nsadmin | Hacker: you could always find the source and build |
| 07:52.12 | Hacker | that's why i'm looking for a cd image which already contains all old versions i need |
| 07:52.38 | Hacker | mischief6: yeah i'm download potato :) |
| 07:53.00 | Hacker | nsadmin: I found them but got so many problems with installing them from source code |
| 07:53.18 | Hacker | and I dont have enough time to spend with them :( |
| 07:54.30 | Hacker | i gotta go |
| 07:54.33 | Hacker | it's too late here |
| 07:54.36 | Hacker | :) |
| 07:54.40 | Hacker | thank ya all |
| 07:54.46 | Hacker | have a nice day |
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| 08:04.36 | Gun_Smoke | running down a how-to install debian on a flash drive... wants to use the package casper which I see has been removed from lenny. How do I find what has replaced it, or if its even needed? |
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| 08:07.06 | Gun_Smoke | live-initramfs ^ nm |
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| 08:13.03 | frankS2 | Hi how can i reconfigure time in Debian? |
| 08:13.06 | frankS2 | localtime |
| 08:14.18 | acemi | date |
| 08:14.52 | cahoot | frankie: try /msg dpkg set the time |
| 08:14.53 | frankS2 | tzselect it was |
| 08:15.09 | zophy | dpkg --reconfigure something |
| 08:15.09 | dpkg | zophy: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 08:15.25 | zophy | eat me |
| 08:15.25 | frankS2 | zophy: /usr/bin/tzselect |
| 08:15.34 | zophy | ah |
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| 08:17.03 | arvind_khadri | zophy, tzdata |
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| 08:20.21 | arvind_khadri | stew, how do i get flash working? |
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| 08:20.56 | ukl | Hello. Given you run a x86-64 Debian squeeze system and there's one program that just doesn't work on 64bit - what's the best way to use it at all? |
| 08:21.25 | ukl | the chroot-way is kind of messy imho; I recently read about vx32 but this is probably not right for this purpose, is it? |
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| 08:28.34 | nsadmin | ukl get the source and build it with the 64 bit compiler |
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| 08:32.32 | ukl | nsadmin: the package I'm thinking of is known not to be too easily ported to 64bit. (That's what its mailing-list-guys say; and I'm not a talented C(++) coder.) |
| 08:32.47 | ukl | I got the source and it compiles just fine, it just doesn't run at all. |
| 08:33.35 | ukl | (btw it's in debian stable/squeeze/unstable for amd64 as well, it's a package known to be disfunctional) |
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| 08:33.47 | nsadmin | ukl: if that's the case the author doesn't know how to code portably (which s/he should) |
| 08:34.00 | nsadmin | what is it? |
| 08:34.06 | ukl | chuck |
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| 08:34.46 | ukl | http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ -- I cannot judge their abilities ;) |
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| 08:35.58 | nsadmin | yes you can... if it's not compiler-independent, something is -wrong-, either with the code or the compiler |
| 08:36.41 | nsadmin | but presumably the maint is working with them |
| 08:36.53 | nsadmin | (total guess... but if not, they should be) |
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| 08:37.50 | ukl | got to go... bye. |
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| 08:44.58 | cvn | hi.. what should i install so that i can use the "nslookup" command? |
| 08:45.39 | cygnus | cvn: host |
| 08:45.56 | nsadmin | but dig is more useful, it's in dnsutils |
| 08:45.57 | cahoot | not looking for 'dig'? |
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| 08:46.05 | cahoot | doh |
| 08:46.43 | cygnus | cvn, wait dnsutils |
| 08:46.48 | cvn | dnsutils ? |
| 08:46.51 | cygnus | ye |
| 08:46.59 | cygnus | it's got dig and nslookup |
| 08:47.04 | cvn | ah i just installed host |
| 08:47.05 | cvn | lol |
| 08:47.10 | cygnus | it wont hurt you :p |
| 08:47.18 | goauld | please can you tell me some "notifier" for kde, so when some important event happens, like an error, or a warning from syslog, its displayed in my kde session ? |
| 08:47.19 | cygnus | i got like 100s of packages i dunno wtf they are |
| 08:47.19 | nsadmin | host could be useful too |
| 08:47.25 | arvind_khadri | stew, how do i restore keys from backup? |
| 08:47.25 | cvn | okays |
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| 08:50.35 | nsadmin | arvind_khadri, (stew might not be here 24/7 to answer your questions... for more about that, /msg dpkg ask) |
| 08:50.38 | compaq | if umount -f /devicehere doesn't work is there anything else i can to unmount my raid array? |
| 08:50.50 | compaq | it claims it's still being used but I know it's not, and -f isn't as forceful as I'd hope |
| 08:50.55 | nsadmin | "doesn't work"? |
| 08:51.09 | nsadmin | how do you know? |
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| 08:51.17 | compaq | because i have nothing accessing it |
| 08:51.27 | compaq | doesn't work as in, it doesn't unmount it |
| 08:51.47 | compaq | it claims the device is busy. I know it isn't, but even if it were, I don't care. |
| 08:51.47 | cvn | hi is there a way to restrict each user to only use 5 background processes? |
| 08:51.48 | nsadmin | so no process in your entire system has its CWD in the mounted tree? |
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| 08:52.16 | compaq | yes nsadmin |
| 08:52.17 | Acedip | well how to get OOo 3 in lenny with synaptic |
| 08:52.28 | Acedip | its not showing the lates version avialable |
| 08:52.50 | nsadmin | Acedip: it would show the latest version tested to work with lenny |
| 08:53.54 | Acedip | nsadmin, but i want OOo 3, how to get it then, adding other sources to the sources.list |
| 08:54.04 | compaq | is there a way i can find out if any process is accessing the directory the raid array is mounted on so I can zap it? |
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| 08:54.29 | xingu | compaq: fuser -muv /path |
| 08:54.47 | compaq | command not found |
| 08:55.00 | nsadmin | !installit |
| 08:55.00 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 08:55.01 | Acedip | nsadmin, and also i want lenny to use the onboard grpachics, but i dont have the "hardware" application installed in "system->administration" |
| 08:55.17 | compaq | I figured as much |
| 08:55.49 | nsadmin | oh good :) so this part of the conversation is redundant :) |
| 08:57.03 | nsadmin | Acedip: you'd have to configure it to do so. In that process, it will help if you know the driver name. |
| 08:57.34 | Acedip | nsadmin, its ati radeon 200 xpress |
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| 08:57.57 | nsadmin | probably the driver is radeon |
| 08:58.06 | nsadmin | or radeonhd |
| 08:58.40 | KC | I'm having trouble getting iceweasel to open files with the right application, and when I try to set it to open one type with it, they all open that way |
| 08:59.15 | Acedip | nsadmin, i guess its radeon |
| 08:59.33 | nsadmin | so you have two video cards? |
| 09:00.08 | Acedip | nsadmin, lspci = " VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200]" |
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| 09:03.33 | hoxu | !ops dontcry DCC spamming |
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| 09:07.47 | goauld | that was nice |
| 09:07.59 | Acedip | well i've shifted to debian from ubuntu, and want to get OOo 3 , in ubuntu i could have added this to the software sources "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main" is there a similar way in lenny |
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| 09:08.32 | goauld | what iirc client are running those people who exited with error? |
| 09:08.56 | goauld | its a mind note for not download it or even try it. |
| 09:09.23 | hoxu | goauld, not irc client problem, /msg dpkg startkeylogger |
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| 09:10.09 | goauld | oh ok |
| 09:10.13 | goauld | i understand |
| 09:10.34 | tziku | hello, i have a lot of "segmentation fault". how can i check my disk for bad sectors ? |
| 09:10.35 | goauld | so why firewalls are not allowed here? |
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| 09:10.48 | nsadmin | of course that's not true |
| 09:11.21 | valdyn | tziku: why would that be related to bad sectors? |
| 09:11.23 | nsadmin | exploiting bugs of them is what's not permitted |
| 09:11.47 | goauld | tziku: the best way to find bad sectors is using a "boot cd utility" called mhdd, its a msdos boot cd, its the best i have ever seen |
| 09:11.49 | tziku | i reinstalled my system, i have a lot of "stupid" errors. |
| 09:12.04 | xingu | tziku: badblocks |
| 09:12.16 | valdyn | tziku: bad sectors give very specific errors, its not segmentation fault |
| 09:12.19 | nsadmin | tziku: run memtest86 for a few mins... |
| 09:12.43 | goauld | tziku: u can also "cat /var/log/* | grep error | grep sector" to see if syslogd reported somoething about that |
| 09:12.51 | nsadmin | then at least you can rule out hardware (mobo, ram, video, cards in pci slots) as the problem |
| 09:13.11 | valdyn | goauld: hardly |
| 09:13.15 | goauld | badblocks is ok, but the best is mhdd |
| 09:13.41 | goauld | valdyn: hardly? |
| 09:13.56 | valdyn | goauld: that grep is useless |
| 09:14.17 | goauld | i just got that kind of errors last week, i had to research about it |
| 09:14.32 | goauld | the grep is to avoid a lot of chunk |
| 09:14.40 | valdyn | goauld: you are confused and you remember wrongly |
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| 09:15.26 | valdyn | goauld: oh, nm, im wrong |
| 09:15.28 | goauld | if you say so... im not gonna lose time arguing with someone whos mistaken |
| 09:15.41 | valdyn | end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 8 |
| 09:15.52 | goauld | u see |
| 09:15.57 | goauld | well im happy now |
| 09:16.00 | valdyn | goauld: yea, sorry |
| 09:16.00 | goauld | lol |
| 09:16.09 | hoxu | !marry valdyn and goauld |
| 09:16.09 | dpkg | valdyn, do you take goauld to be your lawfully wedded spouse? goauld, do you take valdyn? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 09:16.19 | valdyn | dpkg: go to hell |
| 09:16.19 | dpkg | (sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go to hell, go to hell, just damn go. Home. |
| 09:16.30 | goauld | i runned mhdd looking for bad sectors for hours |
| 09:16.50 | goauld | finally, unrecoverable errors make a disk useless |
| 09:16.52 | nsadmin | goauld so what's mhdd and what makes it better than badblocks? |
| 09:17.10 | goauld | well |
| 09:18.06 | goauld | it searchs for "badblocks" exactly as utility badblocks does, but also do other things, like searching badblocks Writing (destruction mode) |
| 09:18.08 | valdyn | if you really have bad sectors then cat would do too |
| 09:18.10 | xingu | mhdd seems to work with whatever the equivalent in sata/ide land is of scsi's erase block/ erase device |
| 09:18.21 | nsadmin | so does this mean valdyn is getting a symbient? |
| 09:18.29 | goauld | and it shows graphically a map of the disk |
| 09:18.32 | xingu | ie, thereby nudging remapping. |
| 09:18.33 | goauld | while scanning |
| 09:18.42 | goauld | somehing similar to scandisk from msdos |
| 09:18.44 | goauld | but better |
| 09:18.51 | valdyn | goauld: in debian? |
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| 09:18.55 | valdyn | goauld: i cant see it |
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| 09:19.37 | goauld | whows what time took every sector for the reading operation and draws a map with that, <10 ms (the most) <50, <100< 150 are yellow ones |
| 09:19.38 | goauld | etc.. |
| 09:19.48 | goauld | all in real time |
| 09:19.51 | goauld | its amazing |
| 09:20.08 | nsadmin | so if it finds bad sectors, does it make a list of them such that a filesystem written to that disk could avoid them? |
| 09:20.09 | goauld | valdyn, its in mhdd.org |
| 09:20.14 | goauld | its a boot cd |
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| 09:20.31 | valdyn | goauld: yea, i found it |
| 09:20.32 | goauld | nsadmin: yes |
| 09:20.51 | valdyn | goauld: cant run that on linux i guess |
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| 09:20.59 | goauld | its a boot cd |
| 09:21.04 | goauld | boot cd |
| 09:21.07 | valdyn | goauld: nor on drives that are past what bios sees |
| 09:21.38 | nsadmin | well that depends on what's actually in there... it could have drivers that avoid the bios |
| 09:21.40 | goauld | what you mean?ç |
| 09:21.55 | valdyn | goauld: i mean that it will hardly include drivers |
| 09:22.11 | goauld | yea thats true |
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| 09:22.34 | goauld | then you know some utility who past bios ? |
| 09:22.45 | goauld | id like to have one |
| 09:23.17 | nsadmin | oh, ok... so if it doesn't have scsi/sata/ide drivers for the various chipsets then it's stuck with drives small enough to be covered by the addressing the bios is capable of |
| 09:23.31 | valdyn | goauld: its a compbination of smart monitor and bad blocks and with a graphical display |
| 09:23.39 | goauld | the problem when you find bad sectors is, if they are unrecoverable and the hard disk cant hide them for you, that disk is useless and have no fix |
| 09:23.56 | valdyn | goauld: yea |
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| 09:24.10 | goauld | the only work around for a case like that, is partitioning the disk avoiding afected areas |
| 09:24.19 | goauld | i did it yesterday |
| 09:24.24 | valdyn | goauld: but you dont need mhdd for that, you can just read smart values |
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| 09:24.43 | goauld | unrecoverable bad blocks, (who hanged the entired disk if a read operation performed there) |
| 09:24.51 | valdyn | goauld: however one major problem is that disks fail unpredictably |
| 09:25.05 | mio | i lost my Superblock and Partition table , a head -c 512 /dev/sdc still says XFS at the start so seems that my filesystem is intact yet. I only had one partition /dev/sdc1 which filled the whole disk, now can i just recreate the partition table with fdisk and write it and everything will be okay, even though i lost my superblock, i.e. i can mount it and recover without assembling it as softraid? |
| 09:25.14 | xingu | goauld: or, taking the output from badblocks and feed it to mke2fs |
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| 09:25.27 | goauld | so i maked 2 partitions, from sector 63 to 226000000 |
| 09:25.38 | valdyn | mio: yes |
| 09:25.42 | goauld | and another partition, from 230000000 to the end of disk |
| 09:25.50 | goauld | and its working nice |
| 09:25.54 | xingu | however what I'd suggest is that you throw disks in the *bin* on the first persistant unrecoverable read error |
| 09:26.12 | valdyn | mio: mdadm raid superblocks dont interfer with partition table or filesystem start |
| 09:26.57 | mio | valdyn: i just it by adding it to a hw raid controller, the controller zero'ed out the table it seems |
| 09:27.00 | mio | lost* |
| 09:27.13 | mio | where are the superblocks stored? |
| 09:27.43 | valdyn | mio: actually i thought mdadm superblock would be at end of device |
| 09:27.45 | mio | i.e. where are partition table and superblock stored, compared to bootsector (512 first bytes) |
| 09:28.00 | valdyn | mio: how would you know its really gone when you dont even have the partition table? |
| 09:28.24 | valdyn | mio: there is no one superblock |
| 09:28.29 | mio | valdyn: right about that |
| 09:28.40 | mio | i usually did mdraid on sdc1 , i dont have a sdc1 anylonger |
| 09:28.47 | valdyn | mio: mdadm has a superblock, lvm has a superblock, filesystems have a superblock |
| 09:28.58 | mio | trying to write it now, and crossing my fingers, at least i got another mirror disk if it fails |
| 09:29.13 | mio | my raid10 is even worse than this :) |
| 09:29.42 | mio | it was dark and i pulled it, thinking i didn't need data on it any longer, then i realised i had valuable code on it i have spent 100hrs or so on |
| 09:29.49 | mio | now i dont know which one is which :) |
| 09:30.08 | valdyn | mio: you dont have a big problem if you know the partition layout |
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| 09:30.22 | mio | it had like 7 partitions and xfs fs |
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| 09:30.31 | mio | didnt back that fdisk layout up ;( |
| 09:31.00 | mio | but i recovered some data with 'dd' :) |
| 09:31.01 | xingu | mio: what does xfs_repair think about your secondary superblock? |
| 09:31.16 | valdyn | mio: theres a partition table recovery tool |
| 09:31.21 | mio | gparted ? |
| 09:31.29 | valdyn | mio: testdisk |
| 09:31.32 | nsadmin | what objects in lvm have superblocks? |
| 09:31.56 | valdyn | mio: in theory it should recover all partitions that have a known filesystem on it |
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| 09:32.11 | valdyn | mio: but with raid10 im not sure if that can be done |
| 09:32.23 | mio | its just raid1's striped |
| 09:32.27 | mio | so i can do with 2 disks |
| 09:32.37 | mio | tried assembling with 2 disks actually, that did work, 4 failed |
| 09:32.58 | mio | although no table on them, it had data on it, i could see with 'grep' |
| 09:33.07 | xingu | mio: xfs puts its superblock in the boot sector |
| 09:33.20 | xingu | mio: and to add insuly to injury, it's a b+ tree |
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| 09:33.27 | mio | xingu: yes, i could see XFSB in my raid10 and my lost raid1 mdraid now |
| 09:33.31 | mio | in first 512 bytes |
| 09:33.39 | mio | so just partition table lost i think |
| 09:33.46 | xingu | mio: if xfs_repair can't find the *secondary* superblock (once you've recorved the lvm layout and partitioning) frankly you're into data recovery territory |
| 09:34.22 | mio | xingu: it did reset superblock |
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| 09:34.29 | mio | and get to 'done' at phase 7 |
| 09:34.31 | lynx | hi |
| 09:34.37 | lynx | how can i install gimp 2.6 in lenny? |
| 09:34.54 | xingu | mio: good, then the fs is sane; re-init the lvm layout and as you say just plonk the partitioning on top. |
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| 09:35.03 | goauld | the first to do, in my opinion, is create a image of the disk with dd_rescue to a file on another hard disk, then work on that image before take any decition regarding the hard disk |
| 09:35.34 | xingu | mio: neither cfdisk nor fdisk will scribble into the boot sector *if* (and this is absolutely critical) you get the block offsets for the partition table entries right. |
| 09:36.33 | goauld | and what is true, is a hard disk bad blocks, arent correctable with normal filesystem utilities, you can even mess worse using xfs of reiserfs utilities against a disk with bad blocks |
| 09:37.15 | xingu | mio: the first four primary partitions will regardless get written to the mbr; extended partitions are containers pointed-to by those first four entries and can essentially be written wherever (they are written where the primary partion table entries tell the fdisk program to write them) |
| 09:37.52 | goauld | 1st, backup with dd_rescue; 2nd search bad blocks, 3ed try to correct them, if successfull, finally run xfs or reiserfs correction utilities |
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| 09:38.33 | xingu | mio: testdisk will automate the partition table recovery as valdyn says; I've used it myself recently to recover a true horror - gpt with dynamic disk partitions. |
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| 09:49.08 | nanonyme | Hmm, oprofile seems to be broken atm for Squeeze. Linked against the libbfd from Lenny, not Squeeze. |
| 09:49.19 | mio | xingu: mdadm: /dev/hdd1 has no superblock - assembly aborted |
| 09:49.25 | mio | seems the superblock is lost too |
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| 09:51.12 | xingu | mio: so the territory you're into is forcing your volume manager to recreate a volume without also re-initialising it. |
| 09:51.18 | WormBe | I have just installed kde4 on experimental branch but haven't been able to start it. Other window managers can execute successfully, so I guess it is not an X issue. Also Xorg.log doesn't have any errors. But each time I try to startx with /usr/bin/kde4 on the .xinitrc X just exits (with a return status of 0) |
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| 09:52.19 | xingu | mio: I'm not about to start doling out advice in that dimension; it's been half a decade since I last cared about *linux's* finer points (these days the volume managers I use tend to run in microcode at the far end of the storage controller) |
| 09:52.30 | nanonyme | Right, there's apparently a bug report about it already. :) |
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| 09:54.06 | hark | WormBe: try #debian-kde |
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| 09:59.48 | Spectre | hi, Is in linux similar player as winamp? |
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| 10:01.21 | nanonyme | Audacious is quite similar to it. |
| 10:01.59 | nanonyme | Or at least similar to what Winamp used to be like when it was still a music player. |
| 10:02.35 | Spectre | thanks, downloading :) and I cannot find any RCON programme :( |
| 10:02.48 | Spectre | on windows I used rcon unlimited |
| 10:03.05 | cahoot | and what's rcon? |
| 10:03.49 | Spectre | rcon is in games, management... what have admins... You can change game constants there like gravitation and such |
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| 10:04.42 | nanonyme | "RCON is the remote administration protocol which was created by Valve." |
| 10:05.29 | Spectre | I can't find any in linux |
| 10:06.26 | cahoot | Spectre: using linux for advanced gaming seems like a hard struggle to no avail |
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| 10:06.40 | nanonyme | cahoot: Game administration, not gaming. |
| 10:06.56 | nanonyme | He's talking of server management. |
| 10:07.26 | Spectre | I play one game - Tremulous.... that's it... it has version for WIN/LINUX/MAC |
| 10:09.01 | nanonyme | cahoot: Plus I have faith that things will change when Gallium3D matures a bit. |
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| 10:11.09 | nanonyme | (Let alone the fact that Wine apparently will later on be able to skip the OpenGL translation with the help of GEM and we'll get sort of a closer to a native DirectX on Linux. Or so I've been told. The speed improvements would be pretty significant) |
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| 10:12.44 | Spectre | What is popular IDE? kdevelop, codeblocks or .. ? |
| 10:13.25 | nanonyme | I guess Emacs counts as a full IDE too. |
| 10:13.33 | sepski | vi ? |
| 10:13.43 | sepski | you can probably add eclipse |
| 10:14.05 | Spectre | aha, I'm using visual studio so.... in linux I have no idea |
| 10:14.33 | nanonyme | sepski: I suspect you mean vim by that. And yeah, it's also in the list if you can add debugger/compiler extensions to it. |
| 10:15.35 | nanonyme | Eclipse is for Java development only though, isn't it? (Though it is a nice cross-platform IDE) |
| 10:15.47 | nanonyme | Might be wrong. |
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| 10:16.18 | Spectre | nanonyme: don't you know where in Audacious can I set up file types that I want to load in audacious automatically? |
| 10:16.34 | nanonyme | Spectre: It's not part of Audacious. |
| 10:16.43 | nanonyme | You do it in Gnome/KDE/whatever. |
| 10:17.13 | Spectre | aha, I was hoping I don't have to associate one after one file type |
| 10:18.07 | nanonyme | Spectre: Well, since you don't have to type anything, it's imo not that bad. |
| 10:18.52 | nanonyme | Just for each new audio file, click properties and set the default association. |
| 10:18.56 | Spectre | audacius looks just like winamp, it's perfect |
| 10:19.21 | nanonyme | Audio file type even. |
| 10:19.22 | Spectre | nanonyme: yea, but it's a pity I can set it up as default for all types |
| 10:19.37 | Spectre | I can't * |
| 10:19.46 | nanonyme | Probably would be technically possible. |
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| 10:20.09 | nanonyme | Since iirc the file association file is generally just a text file. |
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| 10:20.50 | nanonyme | (And you could probably also write a plugin that would hookup with the DE tools to set it up) |
| 10:21.51 | Spectre | hmm |
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| 10:23.08 | nanonyme | So a) either it exists and I don't know of its existence b) no one cares about it enough to code it. |
| 10:24.02 | Spectre | so many applications opensource... it's like a paradice :D |
| 10:24.04 | nanonyme | I'm ready to go for a. |
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| 10:25.04 | nanonyme | Note though that you could easily have a mess if people would just start writing plugins to change file associations. |
| 10:25.31 | nanonyme | What if there's a race condition? |
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| 10:27.50 | nanonyme | What if you forgot two programs with such plugins to have the same file association? The end result would afaik be random at best, CPU going 100% all the time at worst. :) |
| 10:28.30 | nanonyme | (Course it would be simpler if it would just set it once) |
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| 10:29.34 | nanonyme | Spectre: Audaciou's official channel seems to be on irc.atheme.org -> #audacious. Could ask about the file association stuff there. |
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| 10:29.47 | nanonyme | s/ciou/cious/ |
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| 10:32.53 | valdyn | nanonyme: you are totally confused about graphic stuff |
| 10:33.32 | nanonyme | valdyn: I meant the gconf-whatever in Gentoo, whatever in other ones. |
| 10:33.40 | nanonyme | Erm |
| 10:33.43 | nanonyme | In Gnome even. |
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| 10:34.10 | nanonyme | Right, at this point I'll just take a break, can't keep my thoughts of track. |
| 10:34.11 | valdyn | nanonyme: no idea, I didnt read that part, im referring to all the things you might have read about wine , gem , opengl |
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| 10:35.01 | nanonyme | valdyn: That's what I've heard from Wine developers and developers for the opensource drivers for ATi cards. |
| 10:35.20 | valdyn | nanonyme: so you misunderstood them |
| 10:35.30 | nanonyme | valdyn: No, I didn't. The idea is to skip OpenGL. |
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| 10:36.13 | nanonyme | That part at least was certain. I admit I might not have understood the actual implementation completely. |
| 10:36.32 | valdyn | nanonyme: the linux graphics reference is nvidia, nothing else is remotely as good and fast, nvidia has nothing to do with gem |
| 10:37.15 | aifnord | I'm trying to mount a directory on my desktop computer (debian) from a laptop (ubuntu). I've installed nfs-kernel-server and have "/home/.../some_dir 10.0.0.0/8(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)" in my /etc/exports |
| 10:37.23 | nanonyme | valdyn: Wine developers are currently more interested in long-term plans about ATi than nVidia just because of that. |
| 10:37.44 | aifnord | I can mount the directory from the desktop computer that exported it but not from the laptop |
| 10:37.52 | valdyn | nanonyme: thats a 5+ year longterm |
| 10:38.20 | nanonyme | valdyn: For Debian, yes. |
| 10:38.27 | valdyn | nanonyme: for linux |
| 10:38.29 | nanonyme | For about the rest of the opensource community, you're wrong. |
| 10:38.42 | nanonyme | Things will change quite a lot in the next year or two. |
| 10:38.47 | aifnord | my desktops ip is 10.0.0.104 and my laptops is 10.0.1.100, and when I do "monut -t nfs -o ro 10.0.0.104:/home/...somedir/ /mnt" it just fails because "reason given by server: Permission denied" |
| 10:38.55 | aifnord | does anyone have any idea of what I've might have done wrong? |
| 10:39.31 | valdyn | aifnord: why would your ips matter? |
| 10:39.52 | valdyn | aifnord: more likely look at /etc/exports |
| 10:40.02 | valdyn | aifnord: or /etc/hosts.allow |
| 10:40.06 | aifnord | valdyn: what looks wrong with the exports file? |
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| 10:46.23 | valdyn | aifnord: the sync parameter is not documented? |
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| 10:47.07 | goauld | default install of debian carries a lot of CRAP for the graphic environment, who was idea's of keeping again the stupid floppy program there? |
| 10:47.19 | goauld | just for puting an example, i dont understand it |
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| 10:47.31 | valdyn | goauld: actually debians default install has no graphic stuff at all |
| 10:47.45 | valdyn | goauld: you might have selected Desktop in tasksel, thats not default install |
| 10:47.53 | goauld | ok, then the *kde *gonme install |
| 10:47.59 | aifnord | valdyn: how do you mean? it's in the exports(5) man-page |
| 10:48.12 | aifnord | I tried with async also, but it gives the same error |
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| 10:48.21 | goauld | i want to install kde, and it comes with thousands of useless shit by default |
| 10:48.39 | valdyn | aifnord: i was looking at a localised version |
| 10:48.47 | misfotto | try install kde4-minimal |
| 10:49.35 | goauld | i want to install contextual menus for konqueror "extract to, copy to" and im required to install kdeaddons, wich carries along with him an ugly address book, an ugly akregator, and ugly atun player, etc. |
| 10:49.38 | goauld | that suck |
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| 10:50.01 | Micksa | gack. |
| 10:50.04 | valdyn | goauld: no one forces you to have these things installed |
| 10:50.09 | misfotto | wich installation you have done ? |
| 10:50.15 | goauld | that all installs in my K menu, and have to spend hours for finding a damn thing |
| 10:50.21 | Micksa | okay, so I want to package up a cross-compilation toolchain |
| 10:50.32 | Micksa | and I want to follow the debian convention (if there is one) |
| 10:50.36 | Micksa | so is there one? |
| 10:52.23 | koeppea__ | !tell Micksa about policy |
| 10:52.31 | koeppea__ | mhh |
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| 10:52.44 | koeppea__ | ? policy |
| 10:53.28 | koeppea__ | Micksa, ask dpkg about policy |
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| 10:54.21 | Micksa | I got that :) |
| 10:54.29 | Micksa | does it cover cross compilers? |
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| 10:55.30 | koeppea__ | look. Im not sure. |
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| 10:56.25 | valdyn | aifnord: read /var/log/daemon.log on the server while mounting |
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| 10:57.33 | rgr | this is almost embarassing. A while back I modified something to always start "screen" when I opened a terminal. I use urxvt. Its not in bashrc. Where else could it be? |
| 10:57.35 | toshiba510cdt | i installed Debian Gnu/Linux Lenny on ancient P133 MHz laptop and it took me 4 hours to have it the way i want it to be with all its apps, settings and the like |
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| 10:58.07 | valdyn | rgr: ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile |
| 10:58.35 | toshiba510cdt | It has a 2 gig hard drive and now i want to take it out of the laptop and attached it as an external drive via usb to a more powerful laptop, create an iso image and then create a cd that will help me restore my debian install on my ancient laptop in less than half an hour |
| 10:58.36 | rgr | neither of those either |
| 10:58.49 | toshiba510cdt | i have to say that i might replace the 2 gig hard drive with a 4 or 8 gig hard drive at some point in the future so i want the CD to let me resize or "grow" the two partitions that i have, / and swap |
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| 10:58.58 | toshiba510cdt | the more powerful laptop runs the latest version of ubuntu |
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| 10:59.13 | toshiba510cdt | my question is HOW can i achieve what i want? |
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| 11:00.36 | Micksa | rgr: start with: grep screen ~/.[a-zA-Z]* |
| 11:00.55 | rgr | just running it know. |
| 11:01.46 | aifnord | valdyn: aah, finally works now thanks to your mentioning of daemon.log! |
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| 11:02.30 | aifnord | valdyn: in the logs, mountd complains about "illegal port 62926", etc., so I just had to add "insecure" to the exports options |
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| 11:03.32 | rgr | toshiba510cdt: why would you want to put it on an ISO cd/DVD if the crappy old one doesnt have one anyway? Just zip it up with archives set. |
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| 11:03.57 | rgr | rats. Cant find it. |
| 11:04.09 | Micksa | "grep -rl screen /etc" |
| 11:04.34 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: you can dd each partition from source to destination |
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| 11:05.04 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: naturally destination has to be at least as big as source, you can grow the filesystem online to the new partition size |
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| 11:05.51 | christoz | hello, if the keystroke glxinfo shows that the vga card provides 3d acceleration, then i don't have right module installed, what is the module i should install for an Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device ? |
| 11:05.53 | toshiba510cdt | rgr: the old laptop DOES have a cdrom drive but the hard drive is just 2 gig and there is less than 300MB left. that is why i want to use my other laptop (a core 2 duo) to do the work |
| 11:06.46 | valdyn | christoz: whats wrong when glxinfo already shows that you have 3d acceleration? |
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| 11:07.26 | christoz | valdyn, command not found |
| 11:08.19 | valdyn | christoz: "aptitude install mesa-utils libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx" should take care of everything |
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| 11:08.55 | christoz | valdyn, any configuration required for xorg.conf ? |
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| 11:09.01 | valdyn | christoz: no |
| 11:09.07 | christoz | thanks |
| 11:10.00 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me in which directory i would put a binary if i want it to use it as a daemon? and where i'd place its config? |
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| 11:10.06 | toshiba510cdt | <valdyn> i might get a 8 gig hard drive but it is dies i will have to use a 4 gig one. so dd is not the way to go. |
| 11:10.26 | valdyn | mischief6: daemons do not get special directories |
| 11:10.34 | beardy | !wayc mischief6 |
| 11:10.35 | dpkg | mischief6: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 11:10.43 | mischief6 | i'm not compiling |
| 11:10.46 | valdyn | mischief6: /usr/local/bin probably |
| 11:10.50 | mischief6 | it's not available through apititude |
| 11:11.02 | valdyn | mischief6: what isnt available? |
| 11:11.15 | mischief6 | shoutcast |
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| 11:16.22 | mischief6 | valdyn, what about /usr/local/sbin? |
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| 11:16.36 | valdyn | !fhs |
| 11:16.36 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
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| 11:16.47 | valdyn | !sbin |
| 11:16.50 | valdyn | oo |
| 11:17.46 | sladi | Hi! How can I choose Stumpwm in GDM? It's not in the list and the Stumpwm manual said I should choose the Xsession script option. However it always chooses the other window manager when there is a second one instlled. |
| 11:19.00 | valdyn | mischief6: i dont see where shoutcast needs root to be run, except in specific setups, but not by its nature |
| 11:19.07 | mio | easy readonly root you say? or perhaps not |
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| 11:19.25 | mio | at least i didn't get it right in first try on my thin client |
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| 11:19.42 | mischief6 | valdyn, so /usr/local/bin would be more appropriate? |
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| 11:19.43 | valdyn | mio: i dont see "easy readonly /" |
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| 11:19.59 | mio | valdyn: easy readonly /usr |
| 11:20.12 | foetus | hi |
| 11:20.19 | valdyn | mio: yea |
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| 11:20.45 | valdyn | mio: not sure how to get that one wrong |
| 11:20.48 | ldp | Can someone please link me to the stable lenny repo? |
| 11:21.00 | ldp | I only have the volatile repo, and can't find the link to the main one |
| 11:21.05 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 11:21.05 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 11:21.13 | ldp | valdyn: Thanks |
| 11:21.26 | ldp | valdyn: Um |
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| 11:23.27 | cvn | is away (offlined.) |
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| 11:23.49 | foetus | a question -- which paket i must install for basic framebuffer support in console, to enable the graphics mode in links browser (without x and directfb)? |
| 11:24.00 | valdyn | foetus: none |
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| 11:24.32 | myeggo | is there a command to know what distro i am using? testing stable sid, etc, as `uname`? |
| 11:24.39 | Kingstone | hi all, if i use dpkg -i on a package that is already installed, what can happen? |
| 11:24.48 | beardy | mischief6: Why can't you use icecast? |
| 11:24.53 | foetus | valdyn: links offers: no graphics driver found |
| 11:24.55 | Kingstone | and what if i'm trying to install an older version, will it install? |
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| 11:25.01 | valdyn | foetus: X uses libdirectfb btw |
| 11:25.04 | valdyn | foetus: links uses libdirectfb btw |
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| 11:25.22 | foetus | dev? |
| 11:25.24 | mischief6 | beardy, is it compatibly with the SHOUTCast source plugin for winamp? |
| 11:25.30 | arvind_khadri | anyone using splashy here?? |
| 11:25.42 | r0hit | myeggo, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:26.01 | foetus | ok, lets see |
| 11:26.05 | mio | try /etc/issue.net instead |
| 11:26.08 | myeggo | oh thank you |
| 11:26.18 | beardy | mischief6: AFAIK it should be backwards compatible with shoutcast, why don't you have a look. |
| 11:26.20 | valdyn | foetus: you are aware that you need root to access the framebuffer? |
| 11:26.22 | myeggo | it says 5.0 |
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| 11:26.51 | foetus | valdyn: why? |
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| 11:27.05 | mischief6 | beardy, i have looked, to no avail. which is why i wanna stick with SHOUTCast. :x |
| 11:27.06 | valdyn | why would anyone in their right mind try to run graphical stuff in a framebuffer? |
| 11:27.29 | mischief6 | valdyn, i know guys who run image viewers in the framebuffer. :\ |
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| 11:27.43 | valdyn | mischief6: thats silly |
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| 11:28.19 | misfotto | valdyn: what king of apps you wanna find to use in fb ? |
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| 11:28.37 | valdyn | misfotto: i certainly dont want to use anything in fb |
| 11:28.38 | r0hit | ^ splashy perhaps? :p |
| 11:28.48 | misfotto | ok XD |
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| 11:29.04 | misfotto | so, i didin't understand |
| 11:29.10 | foetus | valdyn: did you ever have browsed with links in graphics mode? you never would miss it again.. |
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| 11:29.38 | valdyn | foetus: i can run it in X whenever i want, thats nicer and faster |
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| 11:30.19 | foetus | valdyn: without x, that was the question |
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| 11:30.26 | arvind_khadri | my bootsplash screen doesnt show up any ideas? |
| 11:30.53 | mischief6 | arvind_khadri, perhaps you could be a bit more specific |
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| 11:31.18 | arvind_khadri | mischief, it says it cant connect while booting |
| 11:31.39 | mischief6 | connect to what? |
| 11:32.06 | negge | I want to install a package (and its dependencies) from the experimental repo, how do I do this without completely messing up my system? |
| 11:32.06 | foetus | valdyn: i've runned links in a framebuffer console with fb support, under gentoo..but links under debian miss the fb buffer driver.. |
| 11:32.32 | r0hit | arvind_khadri, maybe you should read the message carefully, it describes a solution |
| 11:32.33 | valdyn | foetus: it uses libdirectfb, thats a framebuffer driver |
| 11:32.47 | arvind_khadri | mischief, it only says that it can't connect... where can i find the log of what happens during boot |
| 11:32.57 | valdyn | foetus: it can also use libsvga1, thats something similar |
| 11:33.22 | valdyn | foetus: but things are crappy considering X has actual hardware acceleration |
| 11:33.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm hello arvind |
| 11:33.46 | arvind_khadri | sh4d3sl4y3r_, hi |
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| 11:33.49 | valdyn | foetus: and it depends on both -> you dont have to install anything extra |
| 11:33.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | kahan se hai tu? |
| 11:33.55 | mischief6 | beardy? |
| 11:34.01 | foetus | valdyn: btw, framebuffer console is present..ok, lets try libdirectfb :) (libsvga1 includes no device) |
| 11:34.22 | valdyn | foetus: libsvga needs root too |
| 11:34.53 | arvind_khadri | r0hit, where can i find the boot log? |
| 11:35.30 | adb | !bootlog |
| 11:35.30 | dpkg | [bootlogd] disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 11:35.41 | foetus | valdyn: directfb needs x, it doesn't work.. |
| 11:35.42 | adb | arvind_khadri: ^^ |
| 11:36.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i crashed gnome today mixing unstable and experimental 0.o ...... fixed a bit whew.. |
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| 11:36.46 | beardy | How surprising. |
| 11:37.06 | beardy | mischief6: ? |
| 11:37.36 | mischief6 | er, nevermind, you answered my question. i suppose i can try it |
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| 11:39.31 | foetus | valdyn: the "official" links2 package needs x with libdirectfb,libsvga and x11-common, thats right.. |
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| 11:40.26 | foetus | valdyn: but i need it without x, with graphics-support enabled |
| 11:40.43 | foetus | so i need a fb driver.. |
| 11:40.49 | Maior | should I be worried about: $ sudo apt-file update |
| 11:40.50 | Maior | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 11:40.59 | misfotto | you can install x without running it, but only to run fb |
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| 11:43.16 | foetus | misfotto: not at this time, i have a server running..it comes later :) |
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| 11:43.35 | Python1320 | ewww |
| 11:43.47 | Python1320 | Anna says something about libresolv and segfaults with the testing build :\ |
| 11:43.51 | misfotto | ah ok :) |
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| 11:47.05 | foetus | so i must give it up meanwhile..lets try it without graphics support, thanks anyway..:) |
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| 11:48.13 | nanonyme | foetus: It probably doesn't pull whole X anyway, just some support libraries. |
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| 11:50.35 | Seldaek | heya |
| 11:51.16 | mallxs | morning Using iptable-restore on lenny I get this error: Couldn't load target `standard':/lib/iptables/libipt_standard.so |
| 11:51.30 | mallxs | is this e known problem ? |
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| 11:51.55 | myeggo | how can i burn mdf files in linux? |
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| 11:52.52 | mrjohns1 | Hi! Anyone here using quota on lenny? |
| 11:53.10 | nanonyme | mallxs: Sounds like a broken package. That library exists in oldstable. |
| 11:53.10 | myeggo | k3b does that i think, but i am using gnome |
| 11:53.17 | Boohbah | myeggo: k3b or http://freshmeat.net/projects/mdf2iso/ |
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| 11:53.35 | ldp | !java |
| 11:53.35 | dpkg | i guess java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java |
| 11:53.47 | myeggo | k3b is not for kde? |
| 11:53.51 | nanonyme | Or C# -like? ;) |
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| 11:54.00 | Boohbah | myeggo: it is |
| 11:54.02 | ldp | myeggo: It is a KDE package, but works with anything |
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| 11:54.16 | ldp | !install java |
| 11:54.16 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 11:54.17 | myeggo | but i will install many kde libraries i believe |
| 11:54.30 | myeggo | no problem? |
| 11:54.34 | Boohbah | myeggo: yes it will install kdelibs |
| 11:54.36 | ldp | No problem |
| 11:54.40 | ldp | It needs the kdelibs |
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| 11:54.58 | ldp | Is there a separate repo for sun-java6-jre? |
| 11:54.58 | myeggo | okay then |
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| 11:55.02 | ldp | It isn't there in main |
| 11:55.05 | Boohbah | myeggo: http://mdf2iso.berlios.de/ |
| 11:55.25 | Boohbah | myeggo: and it looks like the author of that program lives in #ignus on freenode |
| 11:55.26 | nanonyme | ldp: Also the best Sun Java is the one that isn't yet in Debian releases. :P (As in, 1.6.0.12) |
| 11:55.35 | myeggo | i go read that before than install k3b bohanlon |
| 11:55.38 | myeggo | thanks |
| 11:55.57 | ldp | nanonyme: I installed it manually, but openfire (an XMPP server that uses Java) *requires* sun-java5/6-jre |
| 11:56.03 | ldp | And I find that retarded |
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| 11:56.17 | nanonyme | ldp: Try packaging it yourself? |
| 11:56.23 | nanonyme | Iirc I did that. |
| 11:56.31 | ldp | nanonyme: let me try it |
| 11:56.40 | nanonyme | (Might have to fool around with the install prefix though) |
| 11:56.55 | ldp | Exactly |
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| 11:57.02 | ldp | I don't know the prefix |
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| 11:57.15 | ldp | nanonyme: It's compatible with java5, and the bot tells me it exists in debian |
| 11:57.22 | nanonyme | Hmm. |
| 11:57.35 | ldp | nanonyme: I guessed that there's another repository for it |
| 11:57.38 | ldp | !install java |
| 11:57.39 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
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| 11:57.42 | ldp | Yeah |
| 11:57.43 | nanonyme | ldp: It should, yes. |
| 11:58.05 | ldp | !install java lenny |
| 11:58.10 | ldp | !install java etch |
| 11:58.10 | dpkg | Available free Java implementations can be listed via "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by free implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls), install sun-java5-plugin from <non-free> or sun-java6-plugin from <backports.org>. AMD64 users: ask about <java amd64>. |
| 11:58.15 | ldp | Uggh |
| 11:58.17 | nanonyme | ldp: Note the fact that it's in non-free. |
| 11:58.24 | ldp | nanonyme: Noted |
| 11:58.34 | ldp | !non-free |
| 11:58.34 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 11:58.44 | ldp | !non-free sources |
| 11:58.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 11:58.52 | ldp | This is one of the most useful bots I've seen |
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| 11:59.37 | nanonyme | ldp: It also accepts questions as private messages. ^^ |
| 11:59.47 | ldp | nanonyme: That's terrific |
| 12:00.05 | ldp | It isn't in non-free, either :| |
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| 12:00.12 | nanonyme | Should be. |
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| 12:00.27 | ldp | never mind, typo |
| 12:00.53 | misfotto | anyone knows if there's a lib in C that can generate MD5 sum ? |
| 12:00.55 | nanonyme | Oh, Lenny has .12 already? Neat. |
| 12:01.18 | nanonyme | I didn't know it got to stable. |
| 12:01.44 | Seldaek | any 'awesome' user here? |
| 12:01.54 | ldp | Seldaek: The wm? |
| 12:02.00 | Seldaek | yup |
| 12:02.10 | ldp | I use dwm. I find it more convenient |
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| 12:02.27 | Seldaek | let me see |
| 12:02.37 | ldp | Seldaek: Why exactly do you want to use awesome? |
| 12:03.41 | Seldaek | ldp: don't know, kde/gnome piss me off, someone suggested it |
| 12:03.49 | Seldaek | it's not a fixed choice yet |
| 12:04.32 | ldp | Try dwm |
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| 12:05.15 | ldp | Or if you want something with more window management capabilities, wmii |
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| 12:07.46 | bolt | from one of my machines, when I ssh to my server, the ssh banner on the server has its backslashes escaped, so there are two of them. there is some ascii art in the banner, which gets all screwed up by this. what could be wrong? what's replacing \ with \\? none of my other machines do this when logging on to the server. i tried both xterm and xfce4-terminal. |
| 12:08.23 | Seldaek | ldp: ok thanks I'll have a look at those |
| 12:08.56 | ldp | Seldaek: Awesome has a complex configuration file, i.e. a Lua script |
| 12:09.17 | nanonyme | bolt: Where do you have the info, /etc/motd? |
| 12:09.54 | nanonyme | (Iirc that worked fine for me) |
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| 12:11.02 | myeggo | guys thanks for the help, mdf2iso looks nice, but isomaster has interface and works fine too |
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| 12:11.31 | Kingstone | how can i know the version of package by just having a .deb file? |
| 12:11.39 | Kingstone | what tools can give me that information? |
| 12:11.45 | Kingstone | any switch for dpkg for this? |
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| 12:12.09 | nanonyme | myeggo: As long as the mdf didn't have any "useful" information like copy protection, that sounds fine. :) |
| 12:12.15 | bolt | nanonyme: yes. and it works fine from both putty and various linux clients (including xterm on another machine) |
| 12:12.27 | bolt | nanonyme: just not from this particular box |
| 12:12.32 | myeggo | i know, mdf2iso said is a standard iso already |
| 12:12.43 | nanonyme | Ah, right. |
| 12:12.52 | bolt | nanonyme: er. no. wrong. sec |
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| 12:13.07 | bolt | nanonyme: it's the Banner keyword in ssh config. appears between the username and password. motd is empty |
| 12:13.44 | nanonyme | bolt: You could try moving the stuff to motd and seeing if it behaves different. The downside is that local users would see it too. |
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| 12:14.23 | bolt | nanonyme: i'd rather try and figure out what's different about this particular machine. when all the others work, i'd assume it is a client problem |
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| 12:14.32 | nanonyme | (Though your behaviour makes it sound like it's a local terminal problem) |
| 12:16.02 | nanonyme | bolt: Does the problem machine have the same terminal as the other ones? |
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| 12:17.47 | bolt | nanonyme: yes. i've now tried rxvt, xterm and xfce4-terminal. all work on the two others i'm testing with, and all fail on the current box (with \ being displayed as \\) |
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| 12:18.10 | dustybin | my lenny hasnt updated anything for ages? is it ok? |
| 12:18.17 | bolt | nanonyme: locale is the same (UTF-8), $TERM gets set to the same |
| 12:18.23 | ldp | dustybin: No |
| 12:18.38 | dustybin | :( |
| 12:19.08 | ldp | dustybin: Is there a particular reason as to why you don't want to update? |
| 12:19.09 | dustybin | anybody here feeling the 'squeeze' ? |
| 12:19.12 | nanonyme | bolt: I assume it's also using X. |
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| 12:19.36 | dustybin | ldp: a few weeks back, lenny used to get lots of little updates, since its released, nothing gets updated |
| 12:19.38 | bolt | nanonyme: yep. another wm on the two others though. this one runs xfce4, the others are blackbox |
| 12:20.11 | nanonyme | bolt: Yeah, then I don't know. I'm just aware that simple framebuffer sometimes cause weird rendering. |
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| 12:21.03 | themill | dpkg: tell dustybin about stable |
| 12:22.01 | osFrenchDude1 | would that be long to compile xfce ? ( and yeah, I know the 4.4 is in the repos..) |
| 12:22.10 | dustybin | are there still a lot of bugs in debian lenny even though its been released? |
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| 12:22.47 | nanonyme | There's always bugs in software. The number just varies. |
| 12:22.51 | themill | dustybin: you're using it... how many grave bugs have you come across? |
| 12:23.08 | dustybin | none personally |
| 12:23.25 | dustybin | but thats because i might not be using the packages what have bugs? |
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| 12:24.06 | nanonyme | Unless people have been lazy reporting bugs, it shouldn't have anything major. |
| 12:24.14 | dustybin | ace |
| 12:24.30 | bolt | nanonyme: i don't think it's that here. i'll try asking again later. gotta run to the store. thanks for trying :) |
| 12:24.32 | dustybin | but if you owned a multi million dollar company, you would want to make sure everything is ok? |
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| 12:24.48 | nanonyme | dustybin: Everything will never be ok. Period. |
| 12:24.56 | dustybin | :o |
| 12:25.03 | nanonyme | That's how software works. |
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| 12:25.29 | nanonyme | The very idea you could have perfect bug-free software is pretty much silly. |
| 12:25.40 | dustybin | UNDEF'D FUNCTION |
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| 12:25.42 | dustybin | READY |
| 12:26.03 | valdyn | atc software might get pretty close |
| 12:26.09 | valdyn | but its also insanely expensive |
| 12:26.41 | dustybin | is the source code for most packages exteremly complicated? |
| 12:26.52 | valdyn | dustybin: uh? |
| 12:26.54 | valdyn | dustybin: no? |
| 12:27.04 | nanonyme | Also multiple million dollars doesn't mean a very huge company in the modern world. |
| 12:27.15 | dustybin | valdyn: even the kernel source code isnt complex? |
| 12:27.21 | themill | dustybin: "apt-get source <packagename>" and look yourself. |
| 12:27.49 | valdyn | dustybin: its a weird question, thats all, sure a kernel is complex |
| 12:28.06 | dustybin | i thought the reason why there are so many bugs, is because the source is very complicated |
| 12:28.25 | valdyn | dustybin: nah, even simple software has bugs |
| 12:28.51 | dustybin | but why? if the source code is simple, one should be able to identify the bug easy? |
| 12:28.53 | valdyn | dustybin: maybe something like grep has a handful of bugs and a kernel 100000 to a million |
| 12:29.09 | nanonyme | dustybin: You can always understand the documentation wrong and make a buggy implementation. |
| 12:29.27 | valdyn | dustybin: you cant always fix bugs |
| 12:29.33 | dustybin | why not? |
| 12:29.33 | valdyn | dustybin: read some to get a picture... |
| 12:29.45 | valdyn | dustybin: because it would create a new bug |
| 12:29.50 | dustybin | confused |
| 12:29.54 | valdyn | dustybin: because the spec is contradictory |
| 12:30.24 | dustybin | "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne |
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| 12:30.27 | nanonyme | This is also why new versions of GCC tend render old source code invalid. :P |
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| 12:30.39 | valdyn | dustybin: or because people rely on the bug like on a feature |
| 12:31.17 | nanonyme | Someone decides it's a nice idea to fill the gaps in the spec, then it's certain someone made a wrong guess before. |
| 12:31.49 | sladi | I get ugly font antaliasing with qt4 apps like qtconfig or smplayer. Qt3 seems fine. |
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| 12:31.51 | nanonyme | (Let alone there are hardware bugs) |
| 12:31.56 | valdyn | dustybin: if you fixed rendering bugs in ie6 then it would no longer display most pages properly |
| 12:31.59 | nanonyme | Which software has to handle. |
| 12:32.05 | valdyn | dustybin: thats a drastic example |
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| 12:32.24 | dustybin | jeeeze |
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| 12:32.43 | dustybin | so that means people have adapted to the bugs |
| 12:32.51 | dustybin | haha i bet that happens a lot in the MS world |
| 12:32.52 | nanonyme | valdyn: Actually I think they did just that in ie7. :P |
| 12:33.12 | nanonyme | valdyn: Pages meant for ie6 stopped displaying properly in ie7 because bugs were fixed. |
| 12:33.21 | valdyn | nanonyme: probably, but it also does not id as ie6 |
| 12:33.24 | Geek`N`Proud | dustybin, MS adapts to partners having buggy software too |
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| 12:33.32 | Geek`N`Proud | >.> |
| 12:33.32 | valdyn | nanonyme: i see |
| 12:33.45 | Geek`N`Proud | we just break things in the name of bugfix |
| 12:33.47 | themill | Ask MS Excel or Openoffice whether 1900 was a leap year. |
| 12:34.02 | themill | (it wasn't, but they both think it is) |
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| 12:34.10 | nanonyme | >.< |
| 12:34.34 | Geek`N`Proud | themill, depends on the system |
| 12:35.24 | Geek`N`Proud | OpenOffice on Win32 integrates with the OS more |
| 12:35.47 | nanonyme | Geek`N`Proud: Wonder how it behaves under Wine. |
| 12:36.03 | valdyn | wine is win32 |
| 12:36.08 | nanonyme | I know. |
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| 12:36.30 | Geek`N`Proud | valdyn, but it takes some bits from the environment around it |
| 12:37.21 | valdyn | Geek`N`Proud: ok, if wine is not borken as intended by win32 then it would act differently |
| 12:37.35 | themill | AIUI, 1900 being a leap year is actually written into the OOXML spec. |
| 12:37.40 | Geek`N`Proud | it probably will |
| 12:37.52 | nanonyme | themill: Eek, why? :D |
| 12:37.53 | Geek`N`Proud | ewwwwwwwwww! no way? |
| 12:38.14 | themill | compatibility... it's a bug that's too hard and problematic to fix these days |
| 12:38.36 | nanonyme | Real engineer solution, that. |
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| 12:39.16 | nanonyme | (Not really, engineer would probably have fixed the bug. Would be more expected from a consultant to change the definition so the bug ceases to exist) |
| 12:39.36 | sladi | Hi! I could start Kradio 20061112-3.1 before but now when I start it 'StationList::readXML: error downloading preset file file:///home/sladi/.kde/share/apps/kradio/stations.krp' error appears and the app window won't appear. I tried reinstalling it and the CLI radio app works fine. |
| 12:40.02 | valdyn | sladi: delete that file |
| 12:40.48 | valdyn | sladi: maybe the cli version really is different in this regard and breaks the gui version |
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| 12:46.12 | rgr | In other peoples experiences, are your mail servers/web servers constantly being attacked? I'm getting about 100 denyhosts warnings a day for people trying to break in via ssh. |
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| 12:46.53 | valdyn | rgr: sure, thats normal |
| 12:46.53 | nanonyme | I wouldn't be surprised if they were, however, I'm not running a public mail server. :) |
| 12:47.01 | valdyn | rgr: because its not people, its bots |
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| 12:47.37 | rgr | fair enough. Should I feel reasonably safe? Have ssh secured with id_dsa keys. |
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| 12:48.13 | nanonyme | It's probably enough given your keys weren't made during the period when Debian's OpenSSH was broken. |
| 12:48.14 | valdyn | rgr: password login is disabled? |
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| 12:48.24 | sladi | valdyn: I wanted to try that but unfortunately the dir is empty |
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| 12:48.28 | nanonyme | s/give/assuming/ |
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| 12:48.38 | valdyn | rgr: those bots only try common name / password dictionary attacks |
| 12:48.39 | rgr | valdyn: yes. But even then it would be secure enough I think with denyhosts installed. |
| 12:49.06 | valdyn | rgr: just watch /var/log/auth.log to see that |
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| 12:49.12 | rgr | ok. thanks. |
| 12:49.13 | sladi | valdyn: Radio seems to be another app entirely. It can use a stationlist from Kradio hwever. I'll try to deinstall it. |
| 12:49.16 | valdyn | rgr: root / root, guest / guest etc |
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| 12:50.03 | arezey | root login disabled? |
| 12:50.30 | rgr | no. That is enabled for rsnapshot back up purposes but secured using keys. |
| 12:50.43 | nanonyme | I assume root also has password *. |
| 12:50.47 | sladi | valdyn: I have a mixed system so I'll live with that I guess. :) |
| 12:50.49 | arezey | can't you do a normal user login + su ? |
| 12:51.02 | rgr | and the keys are local to LAN. |
| 12:51.13 | rgr | arezey: dont know. |
| 12:51.18 | valdyn | rgr: thats totally safe against those automatic attacks |
| 12:51.25 | arezey | hmm |
| 12:51.28 | arezey | hmmh * |
| 12:51.28 | valdyn | rgr: even somewhat decent passwords are |
| 12:51.29 | rgr | I use rsnapshot and need it to connect as root |
| 12:51.41 | rgr | but from within the LAN I hasten to add. |
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| 12:52.19 | rgr | Thats a point Can I "deny" root access from only external IPs? |
| 12:52.24 | nanonyme | Would require an ugly hack to work with another user, I think. |
| 12:52.39 | valdyn | rgr: now you could use fail2ban, but i fail to see much benefit there |
| 12:52.55 | valdyn | rgr: not unless you run 2 sshd i think |
| 12:52.56 | rgr | I use denyhosts - its similar isnt it |
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| 12:53.16 | rgr | http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:53.34 | valdyn | rgr: i think fail2ban way is better |
| 12:53.40 | rgr | why? |
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| 12:53.52 | valdyn | rgr: not safer, but iptables should use less resources |
| 12:54.31 | valdyn | rgr: no compelling reason to change your setup though |
| 12:54.32 | rgr | I had troubles when I tried it. Cant remember what. Think it was too picky or something or other and I installed denyhosts which has done a sterling job since. |
| 12:54.47 | rgr | thanks for info though. |
| 12:54.52 | valdyn | rgr: its not picky, it just band anything after 3 failed tries for just 10 minutes |
| 12:54.57 | valdyn | rgr: by default |
| 12:55.06 | rgr | As does denyhosts I think. |
| 12:55.17 | valdyn | rgr: sure, probably |
| 12:55.24 | rgr | btw, any sites out there which one can ask to "attack" ones server and give a report? |
| 12:55.41 | valdyn | rgr: thats not useful |
| 12:55.53 | valdyn | rgr: theres hundred thousands to millions of zombies |
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| 12:56.21 | valdyn | rgr: oh, i misunderstood you |
| 12:56.26 | rgr | How cool is mpd? Wonderful. |
| 12:56.38 | valdyn | rgr: i dont think you can be attacked for free |
| 12:56.45 | valdyn | rgr: you can get a port scan though |
| 12:56.55 | rgr | well you can, just not get a report :-; |
| 12:56.58 | nanonyme | :P |
| 12:56.59 | valdyn | rgr: you can use nessus to attack yourself, but iirc its unmaintained |
| 12:57.13 | valdyn | rgr: nessus was a nice tool |
| 12:57.32 | rgr | and its not free |
| 12:57.35 | valdyn | rgr: hmm, nessus is still in debian, so maybe |
| 12:57.40 | valdyn | rgr: uh? |
| 12:57.58 | valdyn | rgr: its free, its in debian |
| 12:58.19 | rgr | youre right sorry. |
| 12:58.43 | nanonyme | Too bad taking over a botnet to use it for testing your server's behaviour in an attack case would probbly be just as illegal the original owner setting it up in the first place. ^^ |
| 12:58.52 | rgr | I'll give that a lash |
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| 12:59.37 | nanonyme | (As in, just as illegal to use computers without authorisation for illegal purposes as it is for legal purposes) |
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| 13:00.14 | valdyn | but dont bother securing ssh when you already run a php site ;) |
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| 13:00.33 | nanonyme | :D |
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| 13:01.13 | nanonyme | valdyn: Hey, aren't the problems with PHP sites usually programming faults in the PHP web scripts rather than security holes in PHP itself? |
| 13:01.23 | valdyn | nanonyme: sure |
| 13:01.32 | nanonyme | So you can't technically blame PHP for them. |
| 13:01.38 | valdyn | nanonyme: i can |
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| 13:02.04 | valdyn | nanonyme: it could make security easier |
| 13:02.11 | valdyn | nanonyme: or enforce it |
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| 13:04.27 | nanonyme | valdyn: Yeah. But still, blaming PHP for script security is a bit like putting a gun in jail because its user killed someone. |
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| 13:05.32 | sepski | nanonyme, php gets some of the blame becouse it's easier writing insecure code then secure code. the php tool is inherently more dangerous to use then a different tool that does the same job |
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| 13:06.09 | Rothgar` | How can I install some form of commandline mailer just to e-mail reports? |
| 13:06.31 | sepski | Rothgar`, using apt-get install or aptitude install |
| 13:06.36 | Rothgar` | exim is complaining it's not allowed to send to remote addresses and I don't want to enable exim to send e-mails system-wide |
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| 13:06.44 | nanonyme | sepski: Right, so we should start blaming guns of not automatically locking themselves if parents leave their guns out of the cabinet and their children shoot themselves? ;) |
| 13:06.58 | Rothgar` | I only want to send e-mails from root to external addresses for reports |
| 13:07.01 | sepski | Rothgar`, configure exim the way you want it ? dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:07.12 | obcecado | id blame guns and guns itself |
| 13:07.14 | sepski | sounds like smarthost with no local mail for me |
| 13:08.22 | Maior | nanonyme: no, it's like manufacturing guns without safety catches |
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| 13:08.38 | Maior | or that occasionally fire backwards |
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| 13:08.54 | Maior | if you pull the trigger slightly oddly |
| 13:09.00 | Rothgar` | sepski: Who is going to be my smart-host lol |
| 13:09.01 | nanonyme | Maior: A gun fires backwards if you use it the wrong way around. Just like PHP. |
| 13:09.07 | Rothgar` | Can I use google as the smart-host? |
| 13:09.37 | nanonyme | Maior: The guilty party are the web developers who code before they think. |
| 13:09.45 | hoxu | Rothgar`, your ISP should provide a smarthost, ask them |
| 13:10.09 | Rothgar` | If i setup exim like this and set a domain etc how can I stop other users using it? I just want to send e-mail as root |
| 13:10.11 | goauld | what is a smart host |
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| 13:10.21 | Rothgar` | This is for my server in a DC |
| 13:10.28 | Rothgar` | There is no smarthost |
| 13:10.37 | hoxu | !smarthost |
| 13:10.37 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipientâs server. |
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| 13:11.08 | goauld | so now they have a name for that |
| 13:11.10 | goauld | ok |
| 13:11.20 | Rothgar` | I can't see how there isn't a simple utility for this without installing exim I can send e-mails through telnet... |
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| 13:11.47 | goauld | tothgar there is |
| 13:11.49 | goauld | try mutt |
| 13:12.26 | goauld | mutt also allows you to spoof origin email adreess |
| 13:12.42 | goauld | like obama@whitehouse.gov was emailing you |
| 13:13.04 | nanonyme | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.39 | nanonyme | Oh, right. It's another one of those latin1 characters that show wrong in UTF-8. |
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| 13:18.36 | foetus | what do i need to compile links with gpm support? i have libgpmg1 libgpmg1-dev installed, but gpm support is disabled.. |
| 13:19.04 | foetus | graphics support is working with svgalib now.. |
| 13:20.16 | nanonyme | (Never mind, I got it the wrong way around. Works fine in UTF-8) |
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| 13:20.57 | mocca | hi need help here. how to enable 3G mobile broadband in Debian? i cant access internet without it. |
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| 13:25.24 | cvn | hi im trying to compile a .bin file, but it says No such file or directory |
| 13:25.27 | cvn | what happened? |
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| 13:25.54 | foetus | ok, problem solved, made an make distclean..:) |
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| 13:28.54 | shingouz | mocca: connect the phone to your computer with a cable and use something like wvdial |
| 13:29.10 | foetus | when you compile links under debian, you feel a bit like an discjokey..but now it works :) |
| 13:30.04 | mocca | shingouz: thanks for your reply. im not using phone. im using USB stick dongle Huawei. |
| 13:30.06 | hnsz2002 | hi, know anybody help me in grub2? how can i use with this version the grubonce function? |
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| 13:31.44 | shingouz | mocca: ok, in that case you plug in the huawei and see what ttyS? it shows up as. i seem to remember that usb-serial is the module that should be loaded for it |
| 13:31.58 | bkw | Where on a netinst.iso can I find the kernel config that was used when kernel was compiled? |
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| 13:32.27 | Rothgar` | goauld: I can't get mutt to work does it need sendmail or something? |
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| 13:33.15 | nkuttler | Rothgar`: well, if you want to send mails, yes |
| 13:34.30 | mocca | shingouz: in network-manager only shows my wireless card. |
| 13:34.30 | Rothgar` | Well it didn't have a dependency and as I said you can send e-mail through telnet so I don't want to install excess packages |
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| 13:34.51 | nkuttler | Rothgar`: every debian system comes with a mta |
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| 13:35.02 | shingouz | mocca: after that, make the SIM work without the PIN just to make things a little bit easier on yourself. then fire up wvdial pointed to the appropriate ttyS? with dial-out phone number *99#. usually you will need another AT string there after the computer connects to the modem, the format is normally somehting along the lines of ATDT='ip','internet |
| 13:35.13 | shingouz | mocca: it will show up as a modem.... :) |
| 13:35.30 | Rothgar` | Yeah it came with exim, I just want to send a few report e-mails I don't want to host e-mail |
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| 13:36.28 | nkuttler | Rothgar`: exim can just forward mails to a smarthost and not listen for connections.. |
| 13:36.54 | Rothgar` | I want to send to gmail addresses, does google act as a smart-host? |
| 13:36.58 | nsadmin | is there a general form for getting an apt key? once I have the error message, I would do what? |
| 13:37.25 | shingouz | mocca: my laptops show phone number *99#, /dev/ttyUSB0, baud at 115200, init1=ATZ, init2=ATQ V1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0, init3 AT+CGDCONT=1,"ip","internet" |
| 13:37.52 | nsadmin | Rothgar` probably they will ignore you... |
| 13:37.57 | shingouz | mocca: isdn =0, modem type = analog modem, stupid mode =on |
| 13:38.05 | mocca | shingouz: where to look for that info? |
| 13:38.06 | nkuttler | Rothgar`: google it |
| 13:38.20 | nsadmin | !apt key |
| 13:38.28 | nsadmin | !missing key |
| 13:38.29 | shingouz | mocca: /etc/wvdial.conf if you run wvdial from a shell |
| 13:38.38 | nsadmin | !listkeys missing |
| 13:38.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'missing' by key (3): missing startx ;; missing locate ;; missing_packages. |
| 13:38.54 | nsadmin | !listkeys key |
| 13:38.55 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'key' by key (15 of 148): #debian keyboard ;; #debian keytouch ;; #debian udev usbkey ;; #debian whiskey ;; _default configure keyboard ;; _default graphmonkey ;; _default keyring ;; _default marillat-key ;; _default xkeycaps ;; crackmonkey ;; import gpg key ;; key binding ;; seamonkey ;; special keys ;; testing security key. |
| 13:39.34 | nsadmin | !import gpg key |
| 13:39.35 | dpkg | somebody said import gpg key was gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv [ID] && gpg --armor --export [ID] | apt-key add - |
| 13:39.44 | shingouz | mocca: the AT+CGDCONT options depend on your isp, they all have different requirements and should put up the information on some website or maybe you need to call up your provider with some b/s story how your winbowze does not want to work without that string |
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| 13:40.12 | nsadmin | ahh, and so the [ID] is the number from the error message? |
| 13:41.01 | shingouz | mocca: ...usually the isp's do not want to give out info if you tell them you run anything other than windows, that is why the b/s story... not that the information changes from os to os, they just claim that they do not support non-windows os'es. stupid but that is the world we live in |
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| 13:42.05 | dsl1127 | Hello |
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| 13:42.22 | mocca | shingouz: thank you i will try to configure like what u said. the wvdial.conf is there with the fresh Debian install right? |
| 13:42.38 | shingouz | mocca: not unless you install wvdial it isn't |
| 13:43.24 | mocca | shingouz: if that the case i cant install it without internet access. |
| 13:43.42 | shingouz | mocca: you also have to remember that the device *your* system shows can and probably will be different from what my boxen show. also the CGDCONT options are different |
| 13:43.49 | dsl1127 | how i can autoconfigure my x? |
| 13:43.54 | foetus | btw, links goes without libsvga or svgalib, full fb support is present with the gpmg-libs, maybe it helps..no x is needed |
| 13:44.03 | shingouz | mocca: you can also use any ppp client you have there |
| 13:44.20 | shingouz | mocca: the computer sees the dongle as a pure simple modem |
| 13:44.43 | bolt | from one of my machines, when I ssh to my server, the ssh banner (not motd, the Banner in sshd_config) has its backslashes escaped (\ is drawn as \\). there is some ascii art in the banner, which gets all screwed up by this. what could be wrong? tested rxvt, xfce4-terminal and xterm. all do this on the current box, on the two others they don't. UTF-8 locale on all, $TERM set correctly. |
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| 13:45.18 | mocca | shingouz: ok i will try to play with it. thanks. i'll come back if i cant make it work. |
| 13:45.47 | shingouz | mocca: so far the best documentation i have personally seen is in the o'reilly book linux unwired |
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| 13:47.47 | shingouz | mocca: hmm... on the other hand, any documentation you see about using dialup for internet connections is good, just remember to substitute the number with *99# so you are using the dongle with its full speed and not some stupid slow dialout connection. the modem acts to the computer as a private isp |
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| 13:50.07 | mocca | shingouz: ok i will play with it. will come bacck here again if i can't make it work. thanks. |
| 13:50.17 | bn` | I'm getting Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! (yes! stopping failed...) on Debian Lenny while executing /etc/init.d/mysql start... (mysql 5) are there any kown bugs? strace doesn't give me a hint.. |
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| 13:50.21 | bn` | http://rafb.net/p/7EIQu870.html |
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| 13:53.21 | nkuttler | !bts |
| 13:53.22 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 13:53.30 | nkuttler | bn`: ^^ |
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| 13:54.12 | bn` | nkuttler: ok, thx |
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| 13:56.42 | dhananjay | i cannot write to ntfs partitons by mounting them. reading fine under root account. in any other user acc. it fails to read. |
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| 13:57.18 | nkuttler | !tell dhananjay about ntfsrw |
| 13:57.37 | shingouz | lets go kick the offending computer.... hmm... where is the hammer again....? |
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| 13:58.25 | bn` | s/start/stop/ # :) |
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| 14:00.08 | carbonize | !dpkg ntfsrw |
| 14:00.08 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
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| 14:00.36 | nanonyme | Lucky I don't need to use NTFS at all. <3 |
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| 14:01.28 | carbonize | how do I make the bot to send me ^those texts^ in PM rather than disturbing ongoing conversation here? '/msg dpkg'? |
| 14:01.37 | nkuttler | !msgthebot |
| 14:01.38 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 14:01.57 | carbonize | Thank you! |
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| 14:02.55 | nanonyme | There's different rules to bots than to humans. Bots don't get annoyed if you just tell them something random on private, they usually guide you on how you can get useful output. |
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| 14:05.20 | dhananjay | thank you :-) |
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| 14:07.17 | carbonize | there's no #debian-desktop on freenode, is there? |
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| 14:07.59 | nkuttler | carbonize: debian officialy moved to oftc years ago |
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| 14:14.23 | nsadmin | propellerhead irc is kinda like fortran... you have to start the line at a specific column (in this case the first one) |
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| 14:20.08 | NotADJ | What was this 04:03 Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall) |
| 14:20.12 | NotADJ | 04:03 DCC SEND from dontcry [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger [0B bytes] requested in channel #debian |
| 14:20.15 | NotADJ | 04:08 DCC aborted receiving file startkeylogger from dontcry |
| 14:20.18 | NotADJ | ? |
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| 14:20.24 | propellerhead | soyy nsadmin |
| 14:20.33 | propellerhead | sorry nsadmin |
| 14:20.58 | chuck | NotADJ: Just ignore that |
| 14:21.17 | abrotman | lovefinder: what are you doing ? |
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| 14:21.28 | NotADJ | chuck: Sure, what were they trying to accomplish? |
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| 14:21.44 | lovefinder | finding love dear |
| 14:21.53 | abrotman | lovefinder: wrong channel, try a social channel |
| 14:22.14 | cahoot | love is genuinely OT in #debian |
| 14:22.16 | chuck | NotADJ: A stupid exploit that shouldn't affect many people at all anymore, but it still can come up with seemingly nasty errors in irssi. But you're not affected by it if your connection wasn't lost. |
| 14:22.25 | lovefinder | why? i chosse other channal |
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| 14:22.50 | propellerhead | nsadmin i'm newby with irc |
| 14:23.30 | nsadmin | propellerhead but now you're one step less new |
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| 14:24.14 | nsadmin | lovefinder: besides... the chances of finding love here are slim to none |
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| 14:24.25 | NotADJ | chuck: Cool, thanks. |
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| 14:24.53 | PingFloyd | what does it do beside kill your irc connection? |
| 14:25.07 | nsadmin | the chances of one of you beign the opposite sex is about .00001 times .00001 |
| 14:25.15 | PingFloyd | assuming when someone is vulnerable |
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| 14:25.30 | abrotman | PingFloyd: nothing IIRC, just a DoS exploit on the router |
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| 14:27.17 | mrjohns1 | Hi! Anyone here using quota on lenny? |
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| 14:27.56 | nsadmin | argh. /me considers smart questions... saves that for later |
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| 14:28.04 | nsadmin | mrjohns1: |
| 14:28.05 | foetus | is it a security risc to compile links with ssl support? or is it unstable? |
| 14:28.07 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 14:28.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:28.08 | Sergei_CH_ | hi, anyone used createtorrent utility? |
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| 14:28.34 | nsadmin | Sergei_CH_ pls read what dpkg just saiod :) |
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| 14:32.13 | nsadmin | !bugs fail2ban |
| 14:32.13 | themill | foetus: etch or lenny? |
| 14:32.14 | dpkg | do_pkg not supported yet. |
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| 14:33.51 | bolt | from one of my machines, when I ssh to my server, the ssh banner (not motd, the Banner in sshd_config) has its backslashes escaped (\ is drawn as \\). there is some ascii art in the banner, which gets all screwed up by this. what could be wrong? tested rxvt, xfce4-terminal and xterm. all do this on the current box, on the two others they don't. UTF-8 locale on all, $TERM set correctly. |
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| 14:36.57 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, is there any graphical tool (even like ninjahelper) for restoring rdiff-backups? |
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| 14:40.22 | Boohbah | ComradeHaz: https://launchpad.net/gnomeeasybackup |
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| 14:40.52 | Boohbah | ComradeHaz: http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/related.html |
| 14:41.14 | ComradeHaz | ah-ha! |
| 14:41.29 | ComradeHaz | I don;t care what Will Smoth says: You are legend ;) |
| 14:41.35 | ComradeHaz | *Smith |
| 14:41.40 | ComradeHaz | Thankee |
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| 14:42.24 | foetus | themill: sorry, i was absent -- under etch oldstable, the orig-source. |
| 14:42.40 | Boohbah | ComradeHaz: you are most welcome, comrade :) |
| 14:42.41 | themill | judd: info links-ssl --release etch |
| 14:42.42 | judd | themill: links-ssl (oldlibs): is extra; Version: 0.99+1.00pre12-1.1; Size: 5.2k; Installed: 12k -- Dummy package for transition to elinks |
| 14:42.49 | themill | foetus: ^^ ? |
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| 14:43.10 | mrjohns1 | When I try to enable quota on a ext3 partion, I get an warning that I should use journaled quota. This is so little documented and I'm not sure I wanna use that in a production environment. Is it ok to use regular quota on a ext3? |
| 14:43.49 | ComradeHaz | arrrgh, damn user muppets. Word of advice. Never be a network support person for a student network |
| 14:43.56 | ComradeHaz | they're fucking idiots :D |
| 14:43.57 | ComradeHaz | bbl :D |
| 14:44.22 | abrotman | why would you listen to the students? |
| 14:44.35 | ComradeHaz | I am a student ;) |
| 14:44.45 | ComradeHaz | and because someone's just managed to bring a switch down |
| 14:44.52 | ComradeHaz | which is now my problem |
| 14:44.54 | ComradeHaz | grrr |
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| 14:45.16 | abrotman | thinks the token fell off the ring |
| 14:45.21 | ComradeHaz | :D |
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| 14:45.45 | ComradeHaz | wishes it was still like the old days when power cycling fixed everything |
| 14:47.06 | ComradeHaz | wonders why a users computer is attempting to make 11,000 connections per minute |
| 14:47.17 | ComradeHaz | time to go break their door down :D |
| 14:47.38 | unop | torrents? |
| 14:47.39 | mio | is it on NETBIOS ports? |
| 14:47.50 | mio | if then, feel free to smack 'em |
| 14:48.37 | ComradeHaz | no |
| 14:48.40 | ComradeHaz | 80 :D |
| 14:48.44 | ComradeHaz | wtf :D |
| 14:49.22 | mio | well i use port 80 for torrent from time to time |
| 14:49.35 | mio | good at uni, where you can reach a few MB/s downloads |
| 14:49.37 | ComradeHaz | time to put on the hoody of power and go for a walk |
| 14:49.39 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: some kind of download utility trying to spider a website? |
| 14:49.45 | foetus | themill: this is a selfmade package of links2, with full graphics, gpm and ssl support under console without x,svgalib,directfb. it only needs FB with mouse and a framebuffer.. |
| 14:49.50 | hark | maybe firefox crashed and the session manager is restoring tabs? ;) |
| 14:49.50 | ComradeHaz | probably mal ware |
| 14:50.05 | ComradeHaz | but yer abrotman it's pretty random destinations |
| 14:50.09 | ComradeHaz | it's like a DoS |
| 14:50.12 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: have fun |
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| 14:51.01 | mio | foetus: full graphics , what resolution can you get? |
| 14:51.05 | mio | foetus: in a tty |
| 14:51.14 | mio | and colordepth |
| 14:51.28 | mio | that is below 200 colors isnt it? |
| 14:51.37 | foetus | mio: 1280x864 (virtual) |
| 14:51.53 | mio | Grml comes with links by default and framebuffer console, quite neat |
| 14:52.06 | mio | surfing with images .. and zsh shell and screen by default |
| 14:52.10 | foetus | mio: with 8bpp (or 16) |
| 14:52.23 | mio | its ok as a rescue cd, better than debian rescue |
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| 14:52.26 | mio | although slow to start. |
| 14:52.44 | mrjohns1 | When I try to enable quota on a ext3 partion, I get an warning that I should use journaled quota. This is so little documented and I'm not sure I wanna use that in a production environment. Is it ok to use regular quota on a ext3? |
| 14:52.47 | mio | i want a rescue cd which loads fast and has no GUI.. |
| 14:52.57 | mio | debian rescue always comes with gui :( |
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| 14:53.23 | foetus | mio: on a Pentium III with a Ati Rage XL Board |
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| 14:55.52 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
| 14:56.11 | Ace2017_- | is it possible to install the ati and nvidia proprietary drivers side by side? |
| 14:56.17 | Ace2017_- | !ati |
| 14:56.17 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
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| 14:56.52 | Ace2017_- | what driver does a ATI 4760HD need? |
| 14:56.54 | foetus | but meanwhile i see, that ssl is required for https, so i can't live without.. |
| 14:56.55 | nsadmin | Ace2017_- what happens when you try |
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| 14:57.29 | nsadmin | Ace2017_- I think maybe the two letters at the end offer a clue |
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| 14:57.56 | XB23 | guys how do i verify ram is ok |
| 14:58.00 | Ace2017_- | nsadmin: try what? i just got the card, i don't even know what the ati card needs, it could have been radeonhd or fglrx so i asked |
| 14:58.10 | nsadmin | Ace2017_- I think maybe the two letters at the end offer a clue |
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| 14:58.19 | carbonize | XB23: run memtest |
| 14:58.44 | Ace2017_- | nsadmin: so radeonhd |
| 14:58.52 | nsadmin | Ace2017_- it's worth a try |
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| 14:59.05 | Ace2017_- | but does ati offer a proprietary install liker nvidia which builds the kernel module and installs it? |
| 14:59.27 | XB23 | bash: memtest: command not found |
| 14:59.47 | nsadmin | XB23: look into it. it requires rebooing |
| 15:00.17 | nsadmin | Ace2017_-: I guess it would if radeonhd were proprietary |
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| 15:00.33 | Ace2017_- | oh |
| 15:00.53 | Ace2017_- | nsadmin: so i can't use 3d with ati? |
| 15:01.16 | nsadmin | dunno... I'll be finding out one of these days when I swap mobos |
| 15:02.12 | nsadmin | look into it... there's been movement, which I don't have time to explain |
| 15:02.23 | Ace2017_- | ok |
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| 15:03.33 | enouf | !radeon vs radeonhd |
| 15:03.33 | dpkg | <radeon> project started under non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, second project, <radeonhd> started (from scratch) with focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found at: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
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| 15:04.20 | enouf | dpkg: ati is also and <radeon vs radeonhd> |
| 15:04.20 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
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| 15:04.32 | Ace2017_- | enouf: it'd be nice if there was an nvidia column so i could compare |
| 15:06.24 | carbonize | XB23: you'd like to check if you have 'memtest86+' installed first, if not 'apt-get install memtest86+'. You'll need to add an entry to GRUB's menu.lst |
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| 15:06.32 | sepisultrum | how should I run setkeycodes on startup of a debian sid installation for enabling extra buttons on a tablet pc_ |
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| 15:07.05 | untitled | hi. how to mask a package in debian? don't want some package to upgrade to newer version |
| 15:07.20 | raz | i'm a bit confused about the state of affairs with aptitude vs dpkg. why does dpkg -l not show some packages that appear in aptitude search? should i stop using apt-get? |
| 15:07.25 | abrotman | !tell untitled about hold |
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| 15:08.04 | jamon | raz: search doesn't mean the package is installed, dpkg -l is only installed packages |
| 15:08.05 | tziku | Hello, i have some problems with "Segmentation Fault". I reinstalled system 3times, i change RAM memory. My hdd may have problems ? How can i check for bad sectors ? |
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| 15:08.24 | raz | jamon, nope, dpkg also shows uninstalled packages |
| 15:08.31 | raz | jamon, but not all of them anymore it seems |
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| 15:09.51 | Ace2017_- | ok i will go test the card first, i got it at the market so it might not even work |
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| 15:10.24 | Geek`N`Proud | untitled, use aptitude to "hold" the app |
| 15:10.32 | Geek`N`Proud | s/app/package |
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| 15:11.31 | Ace2017_- | untitled: what package is it? |
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| 15:13.32 | valdyn | tziku: didnt we already tell you that segfault is not caused by bad sectors? |
| 15:13.51 | untitled | ok |
| 15:13.55 | untitled | Ace2017_-: amarok |
| 15:14.25 | Ace2017_- | i can see why, amarok 2 has a terrible interface |
| 15:14.56 | valdyn | raz: dpkg in general does not show uninstalled packages |
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| 15:15.05 | Ace2017_- | but it does have some great new features |
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| 15:15.30 | valdyn | raz: however it does show packages that were once installed (completely ) and still have their configuration files |
| 15:16.17 | valdyn | raz: its aptitude purge vs aptitude remove |
| 15:16.25 | tziku | valdyn and what can cause "segmentation fault" ? |
| 15:16.26 | raz | valdyn, hmm. why does it show zillions of packages that were never installed on a fresh debian install thenß |
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| 15:16.43 | tziku | valdyn i change ram memory with new one. |
| 15:16.46 | untitled | Ace2017_-: like hanging and not supporting 'cue' files? yeah :) |
| 15:16.57 | valdyn | tziku: broken/overheating ram/cpu or broken code |
| 15:17.36 | valdyn | tziku: or using an unsupported cpu, which actually does exist |
| 15:18.03 | tziku | valdyn first i have segmentation fault when i try to use: "rm" second reinstall of system at "ls" command" now i have at "gunzip" my system boot and work normaly but i can't use some commands |
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| 15:18.48 | tziku | valdyn this computer who have this problem is working about 3 years, and from 2-3 days i have this segmentation problem |
| 15:19.20 | tziku | it's a good system configuration |
| 15:19.42 | valdyn | tziku: its irrelevant |
| 15:19.49 | valdyn | tziku: its not working NOW |
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| 15:20.25 | nareshov | in any case, dmesg should show you something relevant? |
| 15:20.33 | nareshov | (regarding bad sectors) |
| 15:20.34 | valdyn | not really |
| 15:20.38 | valdyn | well, yes |
| 15:20.46 | valdyn | but bad sectors isnt his issue |
| 15:20.53 | nareshov | oh |
| 15:21.28 | valdyn | he just got broken hardware and thinks that bad sectors is a likely cause, but its not |
| 15:22.18 | tziku | here is a "dmesg" from my system: http://pastebin.com/m7d71906d |
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| 15:25.10 | hark | raz: it shouldn't |
| 15:25.35 | raz | hark: dpkg -l "*" | wc -l |
| 15:25.36 | raz | 963 |
| 15:25.39 | valdyn | tziku: so you got like 4 cpus? |
| 15:26.09 | tziku | no is 1cpu |
| 15:26.28 | tziku | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz |
| 15:26.29 | valdyn | CPU0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz stepping 07 |
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| 15:26.41 | Mox` | when I try to run a program bash returns "-bash: ./program: No such file or directory", how to fix this? and it's with every program I try to run? :S |
| 15:26.43 | tziku | It's a intel pentium 4 |
| 15:26.49 | hark | raz: that's because you're specifying a pattern |
| 15:27.29 | valdyn | tziku: i take it as a fact that you have hardware issues, i cant fix that |
| 15:27.44 | raz | hark, yeah well it used to be that when updating the pkg list with "dselect update" then dpkg -l "*" would show all available packages. not so anymore :) |
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| 15:28.06 | valdyn | tziku: changing cpu , psu, mainboard is whats left possible after you already changed ram |
| 15:28.18 | tziku | psu ? |
| 15:28.22 | valdyn | !psu |
| 15:28.22 | dpkg | psu is probably Power Supply Unit, or Penn State University. |
| 15:28.32 | tziku | aha :) this will be next cos is cheaper |
| 15:28.33 | hark | raz: man dpkg-query |
| 15:28.50 | tziku | thanks for helping me |
| 15:29.07 | valdyn | tziku: you can toy with lm-sensors too and see if you find oddities |
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| 15:29.25 | hark | raz: oh, * might show all packages, dpkg -l by itself won't |
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| 15:29.51 | raz | hark, well, "*" shows many packages but not all anymore. that's why i'm asking. |
| 15:29.54 | tziku | i can't install...anything |
| 15:29.57 | TeknoFreek | Hi all, anyone know the apt-get command to install what i need to fix this error: `require': no such file to load -- rubygems (LoadError) |
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| 15:31.38 | TeknoFreek | Anyone? O_o |
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| 15:32.05 | nareshov | TeknoFreek: paste the whole message? |
| 15:32.17 | jamon | raz: waht exactly is it that you are trying to accomplish? |
| 15:32.19 | nareshov | it looks like a particular ruby gem isn't installed |
| 15:32.25 | hark | TeknoFreek: it should say more |
| 15:32.46 | hark | TeknoFreek: install rubygems |
| 15:32.58 | TeknoFreek | /data/msfweb/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/vendor.rb:2:in `require': no such file to load -- rubygems (LoadError) |
| 15:33.21 | nareshov | o |
| 15:33.23 | nareshov | :D |
| 15:33.33 | TeknoFreek | I dunno what im missing, i installed rubygems before |
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| 15:33.47 | raz | jamon, just the usual searching pkgs from the command line. it seems aptitude search is the preferred way now - i just wondered why dpkg -l stopped working |
| 15:33.56 | saulus | how do I get roundcube? I cant find it in debian-stable/lenny. |
| 15:33.59 | arvind_khadri | hi, i dont want to run compiz --replace all the time... shall i place it in rc.local? |
| 15:34.01 | hark | TeknoFreek: see line#2 there |
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| 15:34.15 | arvind_khadri | hark, hi :) |
| 15:34.21 | hark | raz: apt-cache search is faster |
| 15:34.35 | hark | arvind_khadri: tell me this time you're using debian :) |
| 15:34.36 | jamon | raz: ah, well apt-cacje search/aptitude search, or even apt-file are your best friends |
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| 15:34.44 | TeknoFreek | hark: hang on i'll pastebin it |
| 15:34.53 | arvind_khadri | hark, yup i am ... and am in love with it :) |
| 15:34.54 | raz | ok thx for the pointers |
| 15:35.34 | arvind_khadri | hark, so rc.local for compiz --replace ... or do i place it somewhere else? |
| 15:35.43 | hark | raz: an example of a package not showing up? |
| 15:35.51 | hark | arvind_khadri: no, not rc.local |
| 15:35.58 | TeknoFreek | hark: http://rafb.net/p/wOQBkk80.html |
| 15:36.02 | arvind_khadri | hark, then where?? |
| 15:36.07 | hark | arvind_khadri: using gnome? |
| 15:36.26 | arvind_khadri | hark, ya |
| 15:37.36 | hark | arvind_khadri: gnome-session-properties |
| 15:37.46 | TeknoFreek | hark - did you see the msgs? |
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| 15:37.56 | hark | TeknoFreek: moment |
| 15:38.18 | TeknoFreek | Dont bother, i apt-get install rubygems |
| 15:38.24 | TeknoFreek | Now i have yet another lame error =/ |
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| 15:39.02 | TeknoFreek | hark - http://rafb.net/p/UCcMYh66.html |
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| 15:39.25 | TeknoFreek | What do worms eat? O_o |
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| 15:39.39 | arvind_khadri | hark, compiz has eaten my boundaries of windows... uggh |
| 15:39.52 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
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| 15:40.24 | ComradeHaz | that was fun. I have no idea what was wrong. but the girl in question has been disconnected much to her irritation :) |
| 15:41.37 | ComradeHaz | McIffy showed no infections so I told her to reinstall windows. She told me to 'get lost' so I said ok and pushed the little red button next to her name on my PDA and left. |
| 15:41.45 | TeknoFreek | hark must be on a salami sandwhich break |
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| 15:41.57 | TeknoFreek | Anyone else no whats going on with this msg? |
| 15:42.19 | TeknoFreek | Come one come all, dont be shy i'll take any useful suggestions |
| 15:43.01 | hark | arvind_khadri: did compiz work with compiz --replace before? |
| 15:43.51 | nareshov | TeknoFreek: undefined method `loaded_specs' for Gem:Module (NoMethodError) |
| 15:43.57 | nareshov | undefined method `loaded_specs' for Gem:Module (NoMethodError) |
| 15:44.00 | nareshov | crap |
| 15:44.12 | nareshov | http://ryandaigle.com/articles/2008/5/13/loaded_specs-gem-error |
| 15:44.17 | TeknoFreek | Yes thats what the msg says |
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| 15:45.27 | hark | TeknoFreek: seems rubygems related still |
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| 15:45.36 | raz | are there any good docs about the handling of bashrc, bash_profile in debian? i'm a bit confused about the order in which they are called - /etc/bash.bashrc doesn't seem to be called at all for root logins |
| 15:45.54 | hark | !dotfiles |
| 15:45.54 | dpkg | dotfiles is probably http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles, or http://www.dotfiles.com/ Remember that changes to these files won't be reflected until you log out and then log back in. Ask me about <bash login scripts>. |
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| 15:46.09 | TeknoFreek | Yes hark i saw the msg, im updating it now |
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| 15:46.21 | TeknoFreek | hark - how was the sandwhich ? |
| 15:46.28 | arvind_khadri | hark, any ideas? |
| 15:46.41 | raz | ah nice |
| 15:47.34 | jpinx | I'd like to do something about my systems use of RAM (I only have 256MBs) Is there any way I can control the way stuff is written from the HDD swap area back to the HDD main filesystem? |
| 15:47.57 | cvn | is away (offlined.) |
| 15:48.11 | abrotman | !tell cvn about away |
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| 15:48.36 | nareshov | jpinx: see if this is helpful - http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 - and if the current kernel you're running supports it |
| 15:48.55 | hark | arvind_khadri: did compiz work with compiz --replace before? |
| 15:49.18 | arvind_khadri | hark, today is the first day am using lenny :S |
| 15:49.22 | jpinx | nareshov: thanks - reading....... |
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| 15:51.03 | Ace2017_- | !radeonhd |
| 15:51.03 | dpkg | radeonhd is, like, the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:52.03 | hark | arvind_khadri: ok, what happens when you run it from a terminal instead? |
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| 15:55.00 | Caelum2 | should I use ext3 or xfs? |
| 15:55.20 | nareshov | Caelum2: laptop or desktop? |
| 15:55.29 | nareshov | what target use-case? |
| 15:55.32 | Caelum2 | nareshov: eee with ssd |
| 15:55.43 | Caelum2 | laptop |
| 15:56.35 | saulus | how do I install roundcube in lenny? roundcube is in sid, but I dont want to dist-upgrade to dist. |
| 15:56.58 | zeitsofa | how i can change the maximum try's for ssh login? system is an etch. |
| 15:56.59 | cahoot | saulus: try /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:57.00 | arvind_khadri | hark, i get a lot of text ... do you want to paste it? |
| 15:57.14 | Caelum2 | saulus: see if there's a backport, or apt-get source it |
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| 15:57.22 | nkuttler | saulus: probably better to use the source if there is no pre-made backport |
| 15:57.24 | nareshov | Caelum2: have you read this - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install#head-b80162731ee87164e03d2fb7524bb0a5a45f61fa ? |
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| 15:58.02 | Caelum2 | nareshov: using their installer, will read again |
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| 15:58.40 | jpinx | nareshov: brilliant thread - many thanks - sorted my RAM problem completely - now for a solution to a slow cpu..... |
| 15:58.47 | hark | arvind_khadri: yes, and also LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
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| 15:59.59 | nareshov | Caelum2: you should probably check out #debian-eeepc on OFTC too |
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| 16:00.26 | nareshov | ext3 vs. xfs on a SSD is interesting... |
| 16:00.30 | nareshov | jpinx: cool :D |
| 16:00.36 | Ace2017_- | nsadmin: this is why i got the card (which i haven't tested yet) http://adymo.blogspot.com/2009/02/comparison-of-kde4-graphics-performance.html |
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| 16:01.25 | arvind_khadri | hark, o/p of compiz --replace http://paste.debian.net/29438/ , and the other one is here http://paste.debian.net/29439/ |
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| 16:04.30 | Caelum2 | nareshov: thank you |
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| 16:04.57 | ma3x | can you build 2.6.28-1 kernel? is there a guide/wiki ? |
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| 16:05.37 | Ace2017_- | where can i find the radeonhd kernel module? |
| 16:06.07 | arvind_khadri | dpkg, tell Ace2017_- about radeon |
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| 16:06.40 | EmleyMoor | I am trying to install squeeze on a kvm from the business card image but it keeps saying that setting up the network failed. What do I do to fix it? |
| 16:06.41 | nareshov | !radeonhd |
| 16:06.41 | dpkg | [radeonhd] the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:09.03 | Ace2017_- | nareshov and arvind_khadri: i have installed it, but what driver do i have to modprobe and rmmod? i guess i have to blacklist |
| 16:09.05 | hark | arvind_khadri: did it work when you ran that command? |
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| 16:09.12 | Ace2017_- | blacklist nvidia* |
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| 16:10.11 | raz | hark, hmm what i don't like about these other search methods is that they don't show any version info. how would i list all packages that match a pattern, along with the installed version vs available version? |
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| 16:10.40 | arvind_khadri | hark, ya it runs... thats how am losing borders :) |
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| 16:11.23 | saulus | Why does my apt-get update takes years - it hangs at one specific line. I dont see why. http://pastebin.com/m6043cebc |
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| 16:12.37 | nareshov | saulus: try using a http caching proxy for the update, for some reason i'm having a similar problem |
| 16:13.37 | EmleyMoor | zwho * |
| 16:13.43 | EmleyMoor | Oops |
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| 16:14.20 | saulus | nareshov: what do you mean? the problem is apt-proxy related? |
| 16:14.32 | nareshov | not that proxy |
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| 16:14.42 | nareshov | like, if you have access to a "squid" http proxy |
| 16:14.47 | nareshov | export http_proxy and do the apt-get update |
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| 16:16.22 | hark | raz: hmm, aptitude would be able to do that |
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| 16:16.48 | raz | hark, how do i get the equivalent output of dpkg -l "*postfix*" (for example)ß |
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| 16:18.51 | dmoerner | raz, aptitude search ~i~npostfix |
| 16:19.14 | raz | dmoerner, that doesn't show any version numbers |
| 16:19.31 | dmoerner | raz, use dpkg then. |
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| 16:19.46 | dmoerner | aptitude isn't meant to replace it but supplement it when interacting with external repositories |
| 16:19.47 | raz | dmoerner, well, that one doesn't show all available packages anymore (that was my initial question why i came here) |
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| 16:20.16 | dmoerner | raz, it never did. |
| 16:20.27 | raz | dmoerner, yes for me it did until about a year ago |
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| 16:20.46 | hark | raz: try aptitude search -F '%p %V' ~i~npostfix |
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| 16:21.11 | raz | E: Command line option 'F' [from -F] is not known. |
| 16:21.14 | arvind_khadri | hark, any ideas? |
| 16:21.19 | raz | do i need a newer aptitude? |
| 16:21.33 | dmoerner | hark raz i think the point is that he doesn't want the ~i |
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| 16:21.51 | hark | dmoerner: then aptitude search -F '%p %V' ~npostfix |
| 16:21.55 | saulus | nareshov: could you please be more specific: My apt-proxy is behind a dansguardian, that one is behind a squid, that one is behind a privoxy. All 3 daemons are on its own server. Which server should I use when doing http_proxy=$IP apt-get update? Ive tried http_proxy=$IP{apt-proxy, dansguardian, squid, privoxy} apt-get update, but without success |
| 16:22.10 | nareshov | >:| |
| 16:22.21 | raz | hark, ah that looks better. although the alignment is screwed up |
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| 16:22.33 | hark | raz: works in lenny, are you running etch? |
| 16:22.40 | raz | hark, yes etch here |
| 16:22.41 | saulus | s/3/4 |
| 16:22.53 | dmoerner | raz, try --disable-columns if you won't like them |
| 16:22.56 | hark | raz: use --disable-columns |
| 16:23.16 | cthompson | I'm trying to build an absolute minimum lenny box for a server. Is there any way to install openssh without bringing x11 along? |
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| 16:23.28 | cthompson | other than compiling, of course |
| 16:23.37 | hark | arvind_khadri: just the windows don't have any decoration, right? |
| 16:23.43 | raz | hark, that's part of the problem. i've added backports to my sources list and now want to see package versions from standard repo vs backports ... so far i found no easy way do to that, your line is helpful but ignores backports it seems |
| 16:23.58 | raz | dmoerner, hark thx but --disable-columns is not know by my aptitude either :\ |
| 16:24.06 | arvind_khadri | hark, ya... they dont have any borders... |
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| 16:26.33 | mrjohns1 | When I try to enable quota on a ext3 partion, I get an warning that I should use journaled quota. This is so little documented and I'm not sure I wanna use that in a production environment. Is it ok to use regular quota on a ext3? |
| 16:26.35 | raz | hark, in fact, i wonder if there is a way to get output similar to what gentoo has: http://dpaste.com/3297/ .. this is so much more helpful than the aptitude stuff |
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| 16:28.51 | hark | raz: you can see all available versions using apt-cache policy foopackage |
| 16:28.52 | dmoerner | raz, apt-cache showpkg postfix might work for you but it's a bit more information |
| 16:29.07 | raz | hark, doesn't show me the backports version |
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| 16:29.16 | saulus | nareshov: I removed all ubuntu stuff in my apt-proxy settings, restarted it and now it works - dont know why. |
| 16:29.26 | nareshov | lol |
| 16:29.30 | nareshov | bugreport it? |
| 16:29.39 | nareshov | but we don't know why :| |
| 16:30.05 | hark | raz: if it doesn't, the package is not in backports |
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| 16:30.35 | hark | raz: or you have to do an aptitude update |
| 16:30.37 | raz | hark, it is. but i don't have backports pinned (as people recommend against it), it's only in my sources.list. |
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| 16:31.11 | raz | hark, the whole idea is that i want to compare versions. i want to see which version is in etch, which in backports, etc. ideally for all branches that i put in my sources.list |
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| 16:31.37 | hark | raz: apt-cache policy foo will show you that |
| 16:31.57 | raz | hark, doesn't |
| 16:32.13 | rgr | how do I query physical max memory from command line? |
| 16:32.26 | abrotman | cat /proc/meminfo or |
| 16:32.30 | abrotman | !tell rgr about whats my hardware |
| 16:32.34 | abrotman | or free |
| 16:32.35 | rgr | tvm |
| 16:32.53 | saulus | nareshov: are you behind some of my services as well? (apt-proxy, dansguardian, squid, privoxy) |
| 16:33.01 | hark | raz: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy thatspecificpackage |
| 16:33.23 | \amethyst | rgr: what do you mean by 'physical max memory'? |
| 16:33.32 | \amethyst | rgr: that maximum supported by your motherboard? |
| 16:33.35 | \amethyst | s/that/the/ |
| 16:33.37 | rgr | anyone know of a debian "based" distro optimised to serve web pages? |
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| 16:33.47 | peppe | rgr: debian + a web server |
| 16:34.10 | rgr | peppe: yes. I have that. But I was thinking more "optimised" from install e.g headless etc. |
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| 16:34.43 | arvind_khadri | hark, its ok ... i did it... had to install compiz-gtk |
| 16:34.45 | rgr | \amethyst: just what is fitted. abrotman's reply covered it thanks. |
| 16:34.51 | raz | hark, wait a sec, i'm on etch. do i need to install etch-backports or lenny-backports? |
| 16:34.59 | \amethyst | then just don't select any of the desktop tasks |
| 16:35.20 | \amethyst | you'll still have the text-mode logins, but you can even eliminate those in /etc/inittab if you desire |
| 16:35.48 | rgr | yes. I know. But i was asking if anyone knows if there is already a debian based distro for web servers. not if I can tinker for days to make one :-; |
| 16:36.14 | raz | hark, well, for a start: http://dpaste.com/3301/ |
| 16:36.21 | stoned | days? no, just a couple of hours at most |
| 16:36.38 | stoned | install debian, install the software, configure it, take you less than 4 hours |
| 16:36.39 | raz | hark, hark oh n/m... got it now... i had the wrong backports installed .. screw me |
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| 16:36.43 | stoned | what do you mean days |
| 16:36.44 | BCM43 | can i ask for netbook recs. here? |
| 16:36.48 | ma3x | what's the default kernel directory? m-a -k /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 says bad directory |
| 16:36.49 | rgr | yes. I run a debian web server. But .. oh never mind. |
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| 16:37.09 | hark | arvind_khadri: heh, and i was checking the bts for compiz-gtk |
| 16:37.25 | stoned | if setting up a webserver takes you days, then it takes you days... a web server centric distro won't help much, because if it still takes you days, its not going to magically autoconfigure it self for your liking |
| 16:37.35 | stoned | do you see the idiocracy there |
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| 16:37.52 | hark | raz: ok, that's good |
| 16:37.54 | stoned | you still have to gain the knowledge of how to do thigns first |
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| 16:38.33 | \amethyst | or head -n 1 | cut -b 2 |
| 16:38.33 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 16:38.50 | stoned | he left |
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| 16:39.25 | jamesstanley | Has something changed recently that puts users in the kmem group? I'm sure I never used to be in it |
| 16:39.45 | jamesstanley | The 'groups' program says I am (only?) in kmem and lp |
| 16:39.59 | jamesstanley | I'm sure I always used to be in the 'james' group |
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| 16:40.39 | cahoot | i e if your kmemory serves yo well |
| 16:40.52 | jamesstanley | umm... what? |
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| 16:41.37 | cahoot | just a saturday night allusion to The Band/Bob Dylan |
| 16:41.44 | jamesstanley | Ha OK |
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| 16:43.00 | linux_stu | i am trying to mount a samba share. is there anything that i have to install other than 'samba'? |
| 16:43.10 | jamesstanley | smbclient perhaps? |
| 16:43.16 | jamesstanley | i don't know |
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| 16:43.18 | hark | you don't have to install samba |
| 16:43.38 | linux_stu | oh. |
| 16:43.53 | linux_stu | it seems i need the command mount.cifs, but i don't have this command |
| 16:44.01 | linux_stu | or maybe the guide i am reading is not applicable |
| 16:44.40 | llutz | install smbfs |
| 16:46.12 | linux_stu | that did it llutz. thanks |
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| 16:47.11 | PeterFA | How is Squishy coming? |
| 16:48.36 | bolt | from one of my machines, when I ssh to my server, the ssh banner (not motd, the Banner in sshd_config) has its backslashes escaped (\ is drawn as \\). there is some ascii art in the banner, which gets all screwed up by this. what could be wrong? tested rxvt, xfce4-terminal and xterm. all do this on the current box, on the two others they don't. UTF-8 locale on all, $TERM set correctly. |
| 16:48.45 | enouf | PeterFA: don't be a dickface |
| 16:48.51 | PeterFA | enouf, ? |
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| 16:49.50 | simonrvn | "squishy"? can't you even get the name right? |
| 16:50.04 | PeterFA | I know it's either Squishy or Squeeky. |
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| 16:50.21 | simonrvn | *bzzt* |
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| 16:52.39 | dustybin | can iceweasel also be a RSS feed reader? |
| 16:52.53 | sepisultrum | does anyone know what package makeinfo is in? |
| 16:52.59 | simonrvn | dustybin: "live bookmarks" |
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| 16:53.04 | jackweb | Hello! Do you recommend to use openbsd-inetd to run MySQL server and Apache2 when it is neccessary and by the way to make the booting faster? |
| 16:53.12 | dustybin | oh |
| 16:53.27 | llutz | sepisultrum: texinfo |
| 16:53.31 | simonrvn | sepisultrum: i think it's texinfo, but /msg dpkg search for the tools to find out |
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| 16:54.20 | ComradeHaz | [16:51:41] <dustybin> can iceweasel also be a RSS feed reader? <--- yes |
| 16:54.33 | ComradeHaz | got to via bookmarks |
| 16:54.42 | ComradeHaz | there are plenty of neat extentions too |
| 16:54.46 | simonrvn | i already told him.... |
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| 16:55.09 | tuxcrafter | hi all i got a question, when i remove (wanted or not wanted) a file from a package that is listed in the dpkg-query --status packagename |
| 16:55.12 | hark | there are websites too |
| 16:55.12 | tuxcrafter | question 1: how can i check my that there is a file missing that was intalled with a package |
| 16:55.15 | tuxcrafter | question 2: how can i find if this is a config file or normal file |
| 16:55.18 | tuxcrafter | question 3: how can i reinstall/fix the altered or missing file |
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| 16:55.43 | ComradeHaz | I assum tuxcrafter you did not use a package manager? |
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| 16:55.55 | tuxcrafter | ComradeHaz: jupst and i use commandline only |
| 16:55.56 | sepisultrum | I have texinfo installed but somehow no makeinfo is installed |
| 16:56.00 | sepisultrum | I |
| 16:56.17 | arvind_khadri | hark, whats bts? |
| 16:56.18 | sepisultrum | I'm on sid |
| 16:56.27 | ComradeHaz | hmm, not totally sure what you mean and need to run actually |
| 16:56.43 | hark | !tell arvind_khadri about bts |
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| 16:56.58 | llutz | sepisultrum: me too, "dpkg -L texinfo" shows you the installed files |
| 16:57.09 | tuxcrafter | ComradeHaz: use case somebody removed or altered /etc/init.d/rc.local, how can i detect that |
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| 16:57.53 | themill | tuxcrafter: debsums can do most/all of those things for you |
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| 16:58.18 | sepisultrum | llutz: oh, didn't texinfo installed after all |
| 16:58.28 | sepisultrum | now it works. thanks! |
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| 16:59.45 | rettub_ | tuxcrafter: q[2] may be dpkg -L package|grep "/etc" |
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| 17:01.01 | hark | confmiss/confnew for #3 |
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| 17:02.53 | rettub | tuxcrafter: for q[1] etckeeper (for future use) |
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| 17:06.47 | mirak | hi |
| 17:06.56 | mirak | is there some channel about packaging ? |
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| 17:09.23 | abrotman | mirak: what about it? |
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| 17:10.05 | mirak | abrotman: what is the rule of comparison when comparing package versions ? I have packages who need another package with version superir or equal to 1.1.16 , however 1.1.16~hg-0 doesn't makes it |
| 17:10.15 | abrotman | mirak: hold on |
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| 17:10.34 | esaym | Anyone know anything about this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/question-about-raid-5-data-structure-708076/#post3459825 |
| 17:10.47 | bonez451 | where can I find a room, devoted to small business owners who run FOSS? |
| 17:11.14 | mirak | abrotman: I found something "dpkg --compare-versions "1.0-4.1" gt "1.0-4joe5" " |
| 17:11.17 | sepisultrum | Where can I add sessions for other wm |
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| 17:11.43 | sepisultrum | ? |
| 17:11.46 | simonrvn | mirak: dpkg --compare-versions |
| 17:11.47 | abrotman | !version compare |
| 17:11.47 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
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| 17:12.35 | mirak | simonrvn,abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:12.57 | simonrvn | mirak: how you been? good? |
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| 17:13.02 | simonrvn | np |
| 17:13.03 | rettub | themill: debsums - yeah, I forgot about that totally thaks for bring it back to my mind :) |
| 17:13.14 | rettub | +n |
| 17:13.23 | mirak | simonrvn: I dropped the ppc boxes |
| 17:13.34 | simonrvn | aaw :/. oh well |
| 17:13.41 | mirak | simonrvn: hum still have one, but it will not last long I believe |
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| 17:15.08 | simonrvn | my partner has an imac, and one of the servers is a beige, heh |
| 17:16.08 | esaym | Is is possible to install debian on a headless computer? (no monitor, keyboard, ect) |
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| 17:16.47 | jamesstanley | you will need a keyboard and monitor to install it (unless you have a serial terminal or something, in which case i'm not sure), but it will run fine headlessly |
| 17:18.06 | jpinx | esaym: I seem to remember remote installations in the debian "how to install" pages |
| 17:18.39 | simonrvn | ...and you can install via ssh. |
| 17:18.41 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 17:18.41 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r7) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual. <installer firmware> |
| 17:18.58 | jpinx | yea - what he said ^^ |
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| 17:19.08 | pwnage | im on knoppix. kaffeine sucks at playing dvd's and im sure it not pointing to /dev/hdd and probobly /dev/dvd/. how do i make it point the /dev/hdd. WHY IS IT MAKING THE END USER DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:19.41 | simonrvn | pwnage: that's nice. /join #knoppix |
| 17:19.44 | cahoot | pwerken: try #knoppix |
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| 17:19.57 | cahoot | pwerken: sorry |
| 17:20.41 | nareshov | saulus: well, my local network is both nat'd and we have an option to use squid proxy servers too (for journal access etc.) |
| 17:20.45 | pwnage | linux fail! |
| 17:21.03 | cahoot | pwnage: true - move on |
| 17:21.06 | simonrvn | pwnage fail! |
| 17:21.07 | abrotman | pwnage: you're in the wrong channel, try #knoppix or ##linux |
| 17:21.10 | nareshov | saulus: when i don't set any http_proxy, aptitude goes through the nat'd route |
| 17:21.15 | jamesstanley | pwnage: try /b/ |
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| 17:21.22 | pwnage | let me rephrase. |
| 17:21.26 | pwnage | on behalf of all distros. |
| 17:21.33 | nareshov | saulus: aptitude update wasn't working too well with that, but worked fine with http_proxy |
| 17:21.34 | pwnage | why does xine make you set the dvd device |
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| 17:21.40 | pwnage | while windows can figure it out |
| 17:21.41 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@24.115.161.223.res-cmts.flt.ptd.net] by abrotman |
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| 17:21.47 | simonrvn | on behalf of me, /ignore |
| 17:21.51 | jamesstanley | pwnage: because you haven't fixed it to do it automatically |
| 17:21.59 | abrotman | pwnage: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic .. either go to #knoppix or ##linux |
| 17:22.01 | jamesstanley | you're welcome to fix it and send your patch to the xine people |
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| 17:22.44 | nareshov | saulus: and the firewall (nat) uses a commercial product (peerguardian, iirc) |
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| 17:24.14 | jatt | are /etc/hostname contents cached? |
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| 17:24.35 | jatt | I deleted an entry and replaced it with a new ip hostname pair but the /bin/hostname command still shows the old name up |
| 17:24.47 | Ace2017_- | how do i find out what driver xorg is using? |
| 17:25.07 | simonrvn | you read its log |
| 17:25.08 | Ace2017_- | i used dpkg-reconfigure to get back with the ati card, and i have a display, but i'm not sure what driver is in use |
| 17:25.11 | Ace2017_- | ah |
| 17:25.53 | tuxcrafter | themill: thanks for the debsums hint |
| 17:26.14 | themill | np |
| 17:26.16 | tuxcrafter | themill: i am still looking for a command that can list the content of a package and can tell me what are conf files and what are not |
| 17:26.29 | tuxcrafter | so list of types of file in a package |
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| 17:27.12 | themill | tuxcrafter: that's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.conffiles |
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| 17:27.15 | tuxcrafter | something like dpkg-query --status packagename but with more info about the files |
| 17:27.15 | Ace2017_- | well whatever this driver is, it does video well |
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| 17:28.35 | tuxcrafter | themill: thanks! is there also a dpkg or apt tool that uses the /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.conffiles info? |
| 17:28.39 | tuxcrafter | to list it |
| 17:29.04 | themill | umm... not that I know of. cat works pretty well for me. |
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| 17:31.48 | djace | kernel messages keep popping up in my consoles, how can that be disabled? |
| 17:32.50 | stew | tuxcrafter: debsums? |
| 17:33.07 | stew | oh, just list which are which? yeah, cat |
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| 17:33.35 | stew | djace: look for lines in /etc/syslog.conf that end in * |
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| 17:35.25 | ikavec | hi .. does have debian something like is quickpkg in gentoo? i mean something to create .deb file from already installed package |
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| 17:37.44 | abrotman | enouf: /msg ? |
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| 17:45.25 | Cybertinus | hello |
| 17:45.39 | Cybertinus | I'm trying to install a SSH deamon on my Lenny install now |
| 17:45.56 | Cybertinus | but for some reason x11-common and a few X11 libs also get installed |
| 17:46.07 | \amethyst | Cybertinus: to support X11 forwarding |
| 17:46.07 | Cybertinus | something I really don't want (it's a server, no need for X) |
| 17:46.10 | stew | Cybertinus: yes, for ssh -X support |
| 17:46.21 | \amethyst | Cybertinus: those are just libraries---X isn't running |
| 17:46.21 | Cybertinus | how can I prevent those libs from installing? |
| 17:46.24 | stew | Cybertinus: i'd recommend just ignoring it |
| 17:46.29 | Cybertinus | .... |
| 17:46.34 | Cybertinus | seriously? :/ |
| 17:46.37 | Kingstone | is there a way to get the version of a pakcage in a .deb file? |
| 17:46.38 | stew | serioulsy |
| 17:46.41 | \amethyst | Cybertinus: don't install openssh-server, or compile your own version without X forwarding support |
| 17:46.49 | stew | Kingstone: dpkg -I foo.deb |
| 17:46.55 | Kingstone | thanks |
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| 17:47.18 | Cybertinus | \amethyst: I'm not running Debian to compile stuff myself ;). If I want to do that, I'll install Gentoo ;) |
| 17:47.25 | stew | Cybertinus: then ignore it |
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| 17:47.56 | stew | x libraries are hard to avoid, eventually you end up installing something with xpm support |
| 17:48.02 | \amethyst | openssh-server doesn't seem to have any such dependencies here |
| 17:48.28 | barbaros | hello all. my lenny updater gives error about finding /updates directory in the server. why it happens? |
| 17:48.28 | \amethyst | Cybertinus: aptitude why x11-common |
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| 17:48.57 | simonrvn | Recommends: xauth |
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| 17:49.05 | simonrvn | openssh-server ^^^ |
| 17:49.12 | \amethyst | oh, just a recommends |
| 17:49.23 | simonrvn | xauth deps: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libx11-6, libxau6, libxext6, libxmuu1 |
| 17:49.40 | simonrvn | that's only a small part of xorg |
| 17:50.07 | simonrvn | Cybertinus: like stew said, just ignore it. |
| 17:50.12 | \amethyst | so aptitude -R remove xauth |
| 17:50.27 | stew | judd: info libx11-6 |
| 17:50.27 | judd | stew: libx11-6 (libs): is optional; Version: 2:1.1.5-2; Size: 608.6k; Installed: 1240k -- X11 client-side library |
| 17:50.38 | stew | ~ 1MB |
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| 17:50.45 | rettub | Cybertinus: perhaps try aptitude install --without-recommends openssh-server (I think xauth is the prob) |
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| 17:51.14 | simonrvn | even on a small drive that's tiny |
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| 17:51.36 | stew | oh, i guess there is another 5MB in dependencies of libx11-6 |
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| 17:52.01 | simonrvn | no more than that |
| 17:53.23 | rettub | stew: I syed try :)) but in the deps I can't see any on lenny |
| 17:53.45 | rettub | +a |
| 17:53.48 | Cybertinus | rettub: thnx for the tip. I just changed the configuration of apt that it never installs recommended packages (added a file to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/) and now only openssh gets installed |
| 17:54.03 | rettub | np |
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| 17:54.18 | stew | i wouldn't recommended not installing recommends |
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| 17:54.32 | stew | i mean i wouldn't recommend never installing recommends |
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| 17:56.01 | rettub | to understand recursion you have to understand recursion |
| 17:56.04 | rettub | :) |
| 17:56.12 | nareshov | lool |
| 17:56.42 | Kingstone | :P |
| 17:56.47 | esaym | anyone know anything about "System on chip" stuff? I am looking for a very small board that can run linux that has 2 ethernet ports and costs less than $100usd.... |
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| 17:57.11 | cahoot | esaym: sheevaplug? |
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| 17:58.52 | esaym | cahoot: It only has one ethernet plug :( |
| 17:58.55 | esaym | I think |
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| 17:59.05 | cahoot | esaym: ok |
| 17:59.20 | cixx | esaym: soekris maybe |
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| 18:01.20 | Cycom | wow. this is subtle. "DCC SEND from dontcry [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger [0B bytes]" |
| 18:02.14 | arvind_khadri | how do i restore my keys from a backup ? |
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| 18:02.26 | stew | Cybertinus: please don't paste that in here |
| 18:02.30 | stew | Cycom: ^^ |
| 18:02.36 | stew | Cybertinus: (not you, sorry) |
| 18:02.41 | legalize` | hehey |
| 18:02.48 | Cybertinus | ok stew :) |
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| 18:03.12 | Cycom | stew: well it was sent from a user in this channel, so I think it's perfectly reasonable. |
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| 18:03.42 | Mox` | how do I delete a partition? |
| 18:03.46 | stew | Cycom: its not reasonable. you are helping that user to exploit other people's firewalls, whether or not you realize it |
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| 18:04.08 | bolt | Mox`: fdisk |
| 18:05.02 | Cycom | stew: what on earth are you talking about? |
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| 18:05.25 | arvind_khadri | stew, how do i restore my keys from a backup ? |
| 18:05.37 | stew | Cycom: the string you pasted is an exploit. by saying that in a public channel you may knock people offline. so please don't repeat it |
| 18:05.50 | stew | Cycom: google for it, you'll find lots of info |
| 18:05.55 | Mox` | bolt, ty |
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| 18:07.55 | legalize` | i'm instaling debian, i swear i'm stuck in a configure lvm loop |
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| 18:08.33 | wedge | legalize`: restart installer |
| 18:08.39 | wedge | the lenny installer is pretty unstable imo |
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| 18:08.59 | Cycom | stew: HAHAHAHA! WOW! Talk about a screw up on norton's part. |
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| 18:09.09 | Cycom | stew: I had no idea. That's pretty fail. |
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| 18:09.44 | legalize` | i'll give it a go |
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| 18:11.40 | ikavec | hi .. does have debian something like is quickpkg in gentoo? i mean something to create .deb file from already installed package |
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| 18:12.11 | CalebRipley | i am sending my mails with msmtp which uses a tls_trust_file ( /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt ) from which i don't know where this comes from. In the msmtp manpage i've read that it would be a part of the ca-certificates package. But there is no ca-certificates.crt in ca-certificates. Where does this file comes from? |
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| 18:12.20 | Mox` | hmm? I have about 2gb free space, says "parted" but I can't make a partiton out of that? :S |
| 18:12.34 | GhostlyDeath | Any news when sid will get linux-kbuild-2.6.28? |
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| 18:13.58 | stew | Cycom: anyway, we are happy to have you report it so It can be dealt with. that guy was dealt with some 11 hours ago. plesae just report that you are getting a "DCC exploit" or something, just don't repeat the thing verbatim |
| 18:14.19 | Caelum2 | netinst doesn't find the disks on my eee, what driver do I choose? |
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| 18:15.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :) abrotman |
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| 18:15.58 | arvind_khadri | sh4d3sl4y3r_, hi. do you know how to restore keys from a backup ? |
| 18:16.16 | abrotman | which keys? |
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| 18:16.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S have no idea |
| 18:16.41 | legalize` | hey it didnt loop :) |
| 18:16.54 | legalize` | yet |
| 18:17.17 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, gpg keys |
| 18:17.27 | abrotman | like the apt keys? or what? |
| 18:17.32 | abrotman | did you try #gnupg ? |
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| 18:17.54 | pngwn | /c/c |
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| 18:18.08 | arvind_khadri | that room is dead all the time.... no my gpg keys... |
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| 18:19.29 | abrotman | has gotten help there |
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| 18:20.03 | wal3 | hello. whats wrong if sshd still asks for password when I stored ~/.authorized_keys? |
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| 18:22.30 | valdyn | wal3: stored the wrong key? |
| 18:22.41 | simonrvn | an ssh-agent isn't running on your local host, and you haven't authed to it. |
| 18:22.45 | valdyn | wal3: at the wrong place? |
| 18:22.45 | simonrvn | that too. |
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| 18:23.02 | epsilon | did you generate the key pair without password? |
| 18:23.14 | wal3 | epsilon: ye |
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| 18:23.18 | wal3 | s |
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| 18:24.08 | epsilon | and uploaded with ssh-copy-id? |
| 18:24.21 | acemi | wal3: username is correct? |
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| 18:25.20 | epsilon | did you limit the host in ~/.authorized_keys? |
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| 18:25.59 | enouf | why is growisofs being such a cunt? |
| 18:26.16 | enouf | i have a backup or my /etc/ dir somewhere in there |
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| 18:26.36 | enouf | and whether i try as root, or sudo - it still gives bullshit messages |
| 18:26.37 | GhostlyDeath | Maybe it's trying to tell you something |
| 18:26.52 | enouf | i need to chown the bastard |
| 18:27.04 | abrotman | enouf: stop with the language |
| 18:27.14 | enouf | yeah, it's telling me you're answers are wothless |
| 18:27.19 | simonrvn | !lart enouf |
| 18:27.19 | dpkg | gives enouf a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 18:27.24 | enouf | abrotman: indeed - my bad |
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| 18:27.48 | enouf | abrotman: a please wouldn't kill you though |
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| 18:28.01 | abrotman | enouf: considering i already had one complaint today ... |
| 18:28.21 | enouf | oh .. i forgot about _the_timer_ |
| 18:28.26 | simonrvn | we don't have a "please" as in "please/thank you" word in my language ;). |
| 18:28.50 | enouf | so, barring my profanities - any help? |
| 18:29.16 | GhostlyDeath | What is it's words of wisdom? |
| 18:29.32 | simonrvn | perms? loop module not loaded? how about some more info. ;) |
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| 18:31.09 | enouf | simonrvn: one sec please |
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| 18:31.23 | iuri | hi there! How do i find out the size of a directory |
| 18:31.24 | iuri | ? |
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| 18:31.52 | arvind_khadri | how do i restore my gpg keys from a backup ? |
| 18:31.57 | iuri | i was expecting something such as ls -?? some parameter ... but that didn;t work |
| 18:32.11 | nsadmin | you mean like du -s <dir>? |
| 18:32.22 | simonrvn | mind reader |
| 18:32.24 | iuri | arvind_khadri, depends on the type of bkp files you thave |
| 18:32.41 | arvind_khadri | iuri, *.asc |
| 18:32.42 | iuri | nsadmin, yes something like that |
| 18:33.18 | iuri | arvind_khadri, that's easy then just tell gpg where they are! |
| 18:33.23 | WX_0 | iuri: man du |
| 18:33.28 | nsadmin | iuri, well allrightey then :) that could do it :) |
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| 18:33.41 | arvind_khadri | iuri, it says not a valid format |
| 18:33.53 | abrotman | enouf: /msg ? |
| 18:34.00 | WX_0 | iuri: Did you get that? |
| 18:34.04 | arvind_khadri | iuri, am using gnupg to restore it |
| 18:34.07 | legalize` | sooo i did used a netinst cd, and now i'm downloading 832 f iles lol |
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| 18:34.40 | abrotman | legalize`: depending on what you pick in tasksel .. that can happen |
| 18:34.41 | enouf | abrotman: from you? sure --- or ot? no prob |
| 18:34.49 | enouf | simonrvn: http://rafb.net/p/qenzXF26.html an example |
| 18:35.02 | legalize` | yea, server, file server, web server, sql lol |
| 18:35.03 | enouf | oh, i left ot -- duh |
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| 18:35.14 | legalize` | and desktop |
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| 18:35.40 | legalize` | thought it would be roughly that many files lol |
| 18:35.44 | enouf | abrotman: msg is fine |
| 18:36.12 | simonrvn | enouf: um |
| 18:36.16 | simonrvn | 11 genisoimage: or allow deep ISO9660 directory nesting via -D. |
| 18:36.23 | simonrvn | 10 genisoimage: use Rock Ridge extensions via -R or -r, |
| 18:36.24 | nsadmin | except msg in soup! |
| 18:36.25 | Mox` | how do I resize a partition if it's in software raid 1? |
| 18:36.30 | iuri | arvind_khadri, http://www.madboa.com/geek/gpg-quickstart/ |
| 18:36.42 | iuri | arvind_khadri, that;s a good source to start |
| 18:36.53 | arvind_khadri | iuri, ok reading it :) |
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| 18:37.56 | abrotman | wonders if enouf got any of those ... |
| 18:38.01 | enouf | simonrvn: there are no symlinks though |
| 18:38.16 | simonrvn | read what it says |
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| 18:38.33 | simonrvn | 11 genisoimage: or allow deep ISO9660 directory nesting via -D. |
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| 18:38.54 | simonrvn | apparently it takes 2+ as being deep... |
| 18:38.55 | nsadmin | -r is rational rock |
| 18:39.05 | simonrvn | 11 genisoimage: or allow deep ISO9660 directory nesting via -D. |
| 18:39.12 | simonrvn | 11 genisoimage: or allow deep ISO9660 directory nesting via -D. |
| 18:39.22 | nsadmin | -R is irrational rock :) |
| 18:39.33 | simonrvn | 11 genisoimage: or allow deep ISO9660 directory nesting via -D. |
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| 18:39.37 | simonrvn | *HINT* |
| 18:40.28 | nsadmin | how many levels are supported? how many are considered deep? |
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| 18:40.40 | enouf | simonrvn: no - it's broken - horribly broken |
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| 18:40.59 | simonrvn | -D doesn't work? |
| 18:41.14 | llutz | -D breaks ISO9660, use with care |
| 18:41.42 | simonrvn | the image is already created, he's trying to grow it |
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| 18:42.04 | sobczyk | hi, anyone knows how to set the agp rate? kdm fails to start with nvidia ("putting AGP V3 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 16x mode") and my card has max 4x |
| 18:42.09 | simonrvn | but noted |
| 18:42.27 | enouf | simonrvn: it's not yet an ISO |
| 18:42.32 | enouf | it's files |
| 18:42.35 | enouf | and dirs/ |
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| 18:42.37 | simonrvn | sobczyk: see their README. hine NVAGP or such |
| 18:42.41 | simonrvn | ah ok |
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| 18:42.55 | nsadmin | maybe your best choice is to make a new image from a copy of the files, with whatever added in |
| 18:42.55 | enouf | so i guess, i need to list each dir/? |
| 18:43.05 | simonrvn | oh i see the sub-call to genisoimage |
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| 18:44.25 | mrglinux | hi I got some error when I want to install some package .. what this error refer to? http://pastebin.com/m6e3d44e1 |
| 18:44.48 | GhostlyDeath | mrglinux: Don't think you have a locale set |
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| 18:45.00 | llutz | enouf: sudo growisofs -dry-run -speed=6 -Z /dev/dvd -R /mnt/p5/ |
| 18:45.01 | GhostlyDeath | mrglinux: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 18:45.05 | mrglinux | ow |
| 18:45.14 | GhostlyDeath | or possibly apt-get install locales |
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| 18:47.37 | enouf | llutz: root@sarge:~# growisofs -dry-run -speed=6 -Z -R /dev/dvd /mnt/p5/ |
| 18:47.38 | enouf | :-( unable to open64("-R",O_RDONLY): No such file or directory |
| 18:47.47 | enouf | ooops |
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| 18:47.58 | GhostlyDeath | sarge is oooooold |
| 18:48.01 | Caelum2 | do I need a /boot partition if I use lvm? |
| 18:48.16 | llutz | enouf: read what i wrote |
| 18:48.17 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: it's the name of the machine .. doesn't mean it's actually running sarge |
| 18:48.19 | WX_0 | GhostlyDeath: So is your mo - |
| 18:48.32 | enouf | llutz: ooo ;-) looks better - no more dry run - let's test |
| 18:48.35 | GhostlyDeath | WX_0: yes, my module is old |
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| 18:49.06 | WX_0 | GhostlyDeath: Sounds like it. |
| 18:49.08 | GhostlyDeath | Who said you needed to use 2.6 modules in 2.6? I use 2.4 modules in 2.6! |
| 18:49.12 | Caelum2 | or can grub boot from lvm? |
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| 18:49.20 | WX_0 | Caelum2: Grub can boot from anything |
| 18:49.28 | GhostlyDeath | including toasters |
| 18:49.29 | WX_0 | I had grub boot up from a piece of salami this morning |
| 18:49.31 | simonrvn | Caelum2: yes you do need one if / is lvm |
| 18:49.50 | simonrvn | otherwise no |
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| 18:49.58 | enouf | llutz: i think it's working - but i forgot my -use-the-force-luke=wrvfy option :-( |
| 18:50.00 | Caelum2 | simonrvn: thank you very much, how big should I make it? |
| 18:50.04 | simonrvn | you also need an initrd |
| 18:50.08 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: my etch machine is named etch and my sarge machine is named sarge |
| 18:50.13 | enouf | llutz: but thank you very much |
| 18:50.13 | simonrvn | 50-100 MB is plenty |
| 18:50.27 | Caelum2 | got it |
| 18:50.33 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:51.32 | enouf | llutz: yep, working - thanks - we'll see how the intergrity later |
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| 18:52.29 | enouf | +is* |
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| 18:52.37 | nsadmin | azeem: |
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| 18:54.14 | iuri | How do i actually merge files using diff |
| 18:54.29 | nkuttler | iuri: man patch |
| 18:54.31 | Caelum2 | iuri: patch |
| 18:54.59 | nsadmin | that's not actually merge... but patch is the inverse operation |
| 18:54.59 | Caelum2 | fuck, the installer mounts my old linux and I can't use it |
| 18:55.02 | enouf | llutz: btw, i'm doing this ; so i can wipe the partition and transfer my orig deb install to it |
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| 18:55.04 | nsadmin | or ed |
| 18:55.19 | iuri | for example i have two files "original" and "mine" i need to add content into from "mine" to "original" |
| 18:55.34 | iuri | what would be the best approach? |
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| 18:56.00 | nkuttler | iuri: use diff and patch. or some revision control |
| 18:56.01 | nsadmin | patch/diff doesnt' do that |
| 18:56.01 | iuri | nkuttler, they are many files |
| 18:56.23 | nkuttler | iuri: man diff |
| 18:56.25 | nsadmin | what it can do tho, is add -specific- content |
| 18:56.28 | iuri | nsadmin, exactly they just compare |
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| 18:56.55 | iuri | i need to actually insert content into "original" |
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| 18:57.05 | nkuttler | iuri: are you talking binary files or what? |
| 18:57.06 | nsadmin | iuri: if this is a -static- situation.... |
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| 18:57.13 | iuri | it is |
| 18:57.25 | nsadmin | then you can copy the dir tree |
| 18:57.36 | nsadmin | edit one copy to produce what you want eventually |
| 18:57.43 | iuri | nkuttler, yes they are binaries. it doesn;t matter what they are though |
| 18:57.53 | nsadmin | then run diff -Naur on the two dirs |
| 18:58.17 | nsadmin | this will produce a diff that will give you the second tree given the first |
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| 18:58.58 | nsadmin | stand / upi? |
| 18:59.00 | nsadmin | err |
| 18:59.06 | nsadmin | stand / you? |
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| 18:59.51 | nsadmin | (but diff will not read the individual files and merge them) |
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| 19:00.35 | iuri | nsadmin, but that's what i need |
| 19:00.59 | nkuttler | maybe he wants something like rdiff, i don't get the problem here |
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| 19:03.25 | enouf | computers are so stupid .. what a shame |
| 19:03.58 | arvind_khadri | enouf, they aren't , they just do whatever they are asked to :) |
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| 19:04.27 | enouf | arvind_khadri: no, they don't listen - and then mock your request |
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| 19:05.02 | arvind_khadri | enouf, thats if you arent doing properly.... |
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| 19:05.10 | JanKunder | Hello. Can you help me? I cannot boot after upgrading from Etch to Lenny. My "server" is Celeron400MHz+320GB_PATA_HDD_IBM. I was 2.6.18+udev_105 - for about 8 months with no problems. If I boot old custom_2.6.18 = boot OK;; if I boot new=2.6.26.686=kernel panic cannot mount .... (so special RAID card, only 1 HDD, hda not sda). I'm using LILO, not GRUB. |
| 19:05.14 | enouf | why isn't there an EQ built into mplayer? |
| 19:05.19 | evilGUI | I keep finding these in my auth.log + ??? root:www-data I think it's just a cron job but I could be wrong. |
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| 19:05.29 | enouf | arvind_khadri: properly? hardly |
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| 19:05.42 | evilGUI | I'm using lighttpd. |
| 19:05.58 | nsadmin | iuri: all diff does is read both dir trees (the original and the altered copy), compares them, and produces a file for -that- static situation, which, when fed along with the original tree will produce the altered |
| 19:06.01 | gentlyninja | the application tvtime needs for audio control /dev/mixer but there is no /dev/mixer on my system, is there a equivalent to /dev/mixer? |
| 19:06.10 | arvind_khadri | enouf, help them building one :) |
| 19:06.21 | enouf | gentlyninja: lshal | grep device.file |
| 19:06.27 | nsadmin | err the feeding is done to patch, the diff file and the original dir tree |
| 19:06.28 | enouf | gentlyninja: lshal | grep device.file | sort -n |
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| 19:07.41 | enouf | arvind_khadri: my talents rely in design and interface .. and unfortunately the 'Framework' approach is less than <insert some expletive> |
| 19:07.45 | simonrvn | evilGUI: auth.log? i bet it's just a root process dropping privs and chuid to www-data |
| 19:07.50 | nsadmin | iuri, cvs is just that plus some infrastructure |
| 19:08.06 | legalize` | i finished install, cant boot into debian because my tv says mode not supported |
| 19:08.15 | legalize` | what res does debian start at |
| 19:08.23 | simonrvn | enouf: mplayer does have an equalizer |
| 19:08.42 | legalize` | does it install nvidia graphics by any chance |
| 19:08.49 | enouf | gentlyninja: /mnt/p5$ lshal | grep device.file | sort -n | grep mixer | xargs |
| 19:08.49 | enouf | linux.device_file = /dev/mixer1 (string) linux.device_file = /dev/mixer (string) oss.device_file = /dev/mixer1 (string) |
| 19:08.54 | nsadmin | res? the video resolution is dealt with in the x server config |
| 19:09.03 | simNIX | legalize`, with Ctrl+Alt + +/-(on numpad) you can try switch mode to one it takes |
| 19:09.04 | enouf | gentlyninja: i don't even have a tv card or anything |
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| 19:09.41 | enouf | simonrvn: heh - where? |
| 19:09.50 | legalize` | simNIX: awesome pal thanks |
| 19:09.57 | JanKunder | JanKunder, try it |
| 19:09.59 | simonrvn | a button in the ui, i think there's a hotkey too |
| 19:10.00 | evilGUI | simonrvn: Yeah, I bet it's fine, it's just that I have never seen that before. |
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| 19:10.24 | enouf | simonrvn: wrong - please prove me wrong ;-) |
| 19:10.56 | simonrvn | man it. and i'm not out to prove anyone wrong or right. do that yourself. |
| 19:11.11 | enouf | you're wrong then |
| 19:11.26 | enouf | i've read all 2000 lines |
| 19:11.52 | evilGUI | 13:04:53 gentlyninja: the application tvtime needs for audio control /dev/mixer but there is no /dev/mixer on my system, |
| 19:11.54 | enouf | yes, it's possible i suck - it wouldn't be the 1st time |
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| 19:11.57 | evilGUI | oops sorry =( |
| 19:11.58 | ebilpanda | How do I see when packages will be moved from experimental to unstable or from unstable to testing, and also what issues are currently holding stuff from making it into a more stable release? |
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| 19:12.11 | littlefawn | ciao a tutti!! |
| 19:12.13 | llutz | enouf: gmplayer, mplayer-gui has |
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| 19:12.54 | gentlyninja | "lshal | grep device.file | sort -n | grep mixer | xargs" <<< this one was without results, the other two commands had some entries with "/dev/snd/foo" but only pcm (i need line-in or such) |
| 19:13.05 | jelly-home | ebilpanda: for unstable -> testing, there's http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl |
| 19:13.15 | enouf | llutz: hrm, haven't fired that suckewr up for a long time |
| 19:13.17 | llutz | enouf: for cli-use: equalizer=[g1:g2:g3:...:g10] |
| 19:13.19 | legalize` | simNIX: am i alwasy going to be scrolling around my desktop? |
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| 19:13.47 | ebilpanda | jelly-home: Thanks |
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| 19:14.38 | simNIX | legalize`, no; as enouf said; you need to set specifics in xorg.conf, my solution was more to get desktop visible at least |
| 19:14.43 | BCM43 | any recs for a netbook? looking at http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-AOA110-1831-8-9-Inch-Netbook/dp/B001KAEEBK/ref=sr_1_9 and http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=EEEPC8G-702-BLK-R&cpc=SCH |
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| 19:15.01 | JanKunder | Hello. Can you help me? I cannot boot after upgrading from Etch to Lenny. My "server" is Celeron400MHz+320GB_PATA_HDD_IBM. I was 2.6.18+udev_105 - for about 8 months with no problems. If I boot old custom_2.6.18 = boot OK;; if I boot new=2.6.26.686=kernel panic cannot mount .... (so special RAID card, only 1 HDD, hda not sda). I'm using LILO, not GRUB. |
| 19:15.20 | legalize` | alrighty thanks |
| 19:15.32 | simNIX | legalize`, have a look here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973&highlight=refresh+rate+howto |
| 19:15.53 | simNIX | it tels bit bout how to set up horizontal / vettical sync |
| 19:16.03 | simNIX | +vertical |
| 19:16.38 | nkuttler | JanKunder: well, if your old kernel still boots check the differences from the new one |
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| 19:17.37 | legalize` | ok thank you sim |
| 19:17.39 | simNIX | legalize`, maybe best to do a /etc/init.d/gdm stop (stops graphical) and there login, modify xorg.conf, do startx to test, see errors if any |
| 19:17.50 | JanKunder | nkuttler, too hard ... my OLD was custom new one is PREBUILD ... it will be maaaany changes any tips? |
| 19:18.18 | llutz | JanKunder: check driver for RAID-controller, FS-driver |
| 19:18.19 | nkuttler | JanKunder: ask the one who built it to build a new one |
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| 19:18.24 | simNIX | legalize`, yw |
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| 19:18.44 | nkuttler | JanKunder: besides, look in /boot/config-foo |
| 19:18.46 | JanKunder | nkuttler, llutz anyway, manyt thanks for trying to help |
| 19:18.58 | JanKunder | FS=ext3 so np |
| 19:19.05 | JanKunder | PATA HDD - no RAID etc ... |
| 19:19.21 | llutz | JanKunder: IDE-controller chipset? |
| 19:19.22 | JanKunder | BTW: I build the old one |
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| 19:19.46 | JanKunder | Yep! It can be (very old) chipset. I suspect i430TX? |
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| 19:19.49 | adm | from which package do we get ifconfig? |
| 19:20.12 | JanKunder | But on the other way it is Intel and "only" 6 years old - it should be MODULE |
| 19:20.21 | stoned | arvind_khadri, hi |
| 19:20.35 | arvind_khadri | stoned, hi ... :) |
| 19:20.35 | adm | or; How do we find from which package or suite of applications do we get a particular function or command? |
| 19:20.39 | llutz | JanKunder: also check your lilo.conf, new kernel should use sda (better use UUID, labels in future) |
| 19:20.48 | nkuttler | adm: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:20.53 | Tapout | where does the kernel determine that Hugepagesize: 2048 ... I've seen a lot of people with 4096 on google but I don't see where this has been configured. |
| 19:21.18 | fpcfan | hi, I want to add a note to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515035, that the upstream bug is Lazarus has been marked as resolved. How do I do that? |
| 19:21.33 | JanKunder | llutz, howto "import" UUID to fstab, lilo |
| 19:21.37 | abrotman | fpcfan: send an email bug#@bugs.debian.org |
| 19:21.42 | JanKunder | ... and other configs? |
| 19:22.09 | fpcfan | any specific layout, abrotman? |
| 19:22.21 | stoned | arvind_khadri, who told you to join #debian-in? |
| 19:22.28 | llutz | JanKunder: no idea about lilo, fstab example: UUID=abcd-1234 |
| 19:22.38 | abrotman | fpcfan: not really .. a subject would be nice |
| 19:22.40 | stoned | arvind_khadri, does debian-in show up on the channel list or something? |
| 19:22.55 | llutz | JanKunder: instead of /dev/hdaXY |
| 19:22.56 | stoned | even with like 1 user hehe |
| 19:23.00 | llutz | JanKunder: instead of /dev/hdXY |
| 19:23.02 | adm | nkuttler: Can you elaborate on that just a bit? |
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| 19:23.10 | JanKunder | llutz, ty |
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| 19:23.30 | arvind_khadri | stoned, aah i just joined it thinking that it was debian-india as is ubuntu-in |
| 19:23.41 | Mark17 | hello, the start of a new XEN domU stops at: Starting periodic command scheduler: crond. dom0 OS: Debian 5.0 (32bit and 64bit, same error) uname -r: 2.6.26-1-xen-686 (32 bit) and 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 (64 bit) |
| 19:23.43 | stoned | it is |
| 19:23.48 | llutz | JanKunder: blkid or ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid to find UUIDs |
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| 19:24.06 | stoned | I think instead of debian-ur I should rename to debian-pk |
| 19:24.06 | JanKunder | aha! |
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| 19:24.13 | stoned | that would make more sense I think |
| 19:24.33 | adm | For example: From what package do we get ifconfig? |
| 19:24.56 | llutz | adm: dpkg -S /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 19:25.27 | fpcfan | abrotman, thanks, I just sent the mail. |
| 19:25.43 | abrotman | fpcfan: thanks! |
| 19:25.51 | nkuttler | adm: did you read what the bot told you? |
| 19:26.37 | adm | nkuttler: Did not get a pm from the bot. So... no, did not. |
| 19:27.17 | adm | llutz: But what if net-tools were not installed, yet. (This is only a hypothetical question, but...). |
| 19:27.30 | llutz | adm: use apt-file |
| 19:27.48 | adm | Well dpkg still know about packages yet to be intalled? |
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| 19:28.21 | Maior | adm: apt-file |
| 19:28.33 | adm | apt-file command not found :) |
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| 19:28.48 | llutz | adm: aptitude install apt-file :) |
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| 19:29.21 | adm | (building a Debian system little at a time). New to Debian, but not to linux. |
| 19:29.26 | adm | llutz: Tnx |
| 19:29.46 | nsadmin | then you have to update |
| 19:30.13 | nsadmin | when you say a little at a time... what did you start with? |
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| 19:30.54 | Maior | debootstrap! ;) |
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| 19:31.32 | adm | nsadmin:Lenny net-install |
| 19:31.36 | nsadmin | apt-file btw, is independent of what you have specifically... it tells you about files in all available packages |
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| 19:31.46 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 19:31.47 | Tetracomm | How can I control the voltage of my serial port? If I can't control the serial port voltage, then how do I control my parallel port voltage? (or amperage, whatever) |
| 19:31.47 | nsadmin | adm: ahh, so a fresh install |
| 19:32.11 | adm | nsadmin: Yes, apt-file appears to be what I was looking for. |
| 19:32.29 | Caelum2 | why does lenny netinst use lilo instead of grub? |
| 19:32.39 | nsadmin | Tetracomm unless your hardware specifically supports that, you can't control it specifically |
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| 19:32.52 | adm | nsadmin: And yes, fresh new install. |
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| 19:33.14 | JanKunder | llutz, UUID still same after format or FS_type_change? |
| 19:33.17 | Tetracomm | :( |
| 19:33.21 | llutz | JanKunder: nope |
| 19:33.26 | JanKunder | How can I force UUID change? |
| 19:33.30 | adm | CalebRipley: I didn' |
| 19:33.35 | adm | t know that it did |
| 19:33.40 | simNIX | Tetracomm, does 1.2 here helps http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Customizing/Hardware/Serial_Console |
| 19:33.48 | simNIX | its not regulating it on box |
| 19:33.51 | simNIX | but it works |
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| 19:34.46 | Caelum2 | argh, it won't boot my lvm |
| 19:34.47 | TuxRuleZx | hi all, how i can change language of console ? i hafe debian 4 etch |
| 19:34.48 | CalebRipley | adm, ? |
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| 19:35.03 | nsadmin | Tetracomm rs232 ports for example have a voltage range in its specification, and devices are supposed to support the entire range (so, I think rs232 is very wide range, anything from I think like 2v to 12v should work... so if a particular transmitter outputs 5v, the receiver should be fine) |
| 19:35.04 | llutz | JanKunder: http://nixcraft.com/shell-scripting/948-change-uuid-ext3-partition.html |
| 19:35.07 | adm | Sorry, that was supposed to be for Caelum2 |
| 19:35.07 | Caelum2 | says /dev/root ... no such device |
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| 19:35.20 | simNIX | TuxRuleZx, cant you select that at gdm login |
| 19:35.32 | JanKunder | llutz, ty |
| 19:35.47 | adm | Caelum2: I just did an install of Lenny and got grub |
| 19:35.49 | TuxRuleZx | yes but only 1 language is avaiable i cann add other ? |
| 19:36.09 | nsadmin | it's probalby not /dev/root, it's dev/<volumegroupname>/<lvname> |
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| 19:36.56 | nsadmin | Caelum2 so if you named your volume group thosedrivesontheleft... |
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| 19:37.09 | nsadmin | and there's a lv in that group called root |
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| 19:37.19 | forestmars | Anyone know offhand the solution to the php5-pgsql bug (#421929) in Lenny...? |
| 19:37.36 | nsadmin | then your vol is referred to by /dev/thosedrivesontheleft/root |
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| 19:38.20 | fpcfan | abrotman, one detail I forgot to pick up: the to address should be 515035@bugs.debian.org and not bug@bugs.debian.org :-) |
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| 19:38.50 | abrotman | fpcfan: if you look back .. i said bug#@bugs.debian.org |
| 19:38.57 | forestmars | yes I see that now, but I am still getting a broken dependency for that package |
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| 19:39.12 | simNIX | TuxRuleZx, dont know specific about that but would do a search in synaptic for language |
| 19:39.17 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: is it in /dev/mapper ? |
| 19:39.22 | abrotman | fpcfan: note the '#' |
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| 19:39.34 | nsadmin | Caelum2 that's kindof an alias |
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| 19:40.00 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: I'm in initrd busybox |
| 19:40.04 | nsadmin | then it's /dev/mapper/thosedrivesontheleft-root |
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| 19:40.26 | parodyoflanguage | Hello. Does anyone know of a good solution to batch print tabular fors? |
| 19:40.31 | nsadmin | assumeing you have a vg called thosedrivesontheleft :) |
| 19:40.58 | enouf | llutz: thanks ... but now what's bothering me even more is; why can't i jump to next/previous Track easily? |
| 19:41.10 | enouf | it's all f'ked up |
| 19:41.10 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: I tried to mount /dev/mapper/root-root /root but it says no such file or directory |
| 19:41.13 | ewet | hi, is it normal that clamd is using 100mb ram? this is huge for a threat i supposably never face :-/ |
| 19:41.19 | fpcfan | abrotman, yes, of course, I did not notice it |
| 19:41.24 | abrotman | ewet: i'd surprised it's not mnore |
| 19:41.24 | nsadmin | what's in /dev/mapper? |
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| 19:41.37 | nsadmin | what did you call your vg? |
| 19:42.06 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: control and root-root |
| 19:42.19 | nsadmin | so the vg is called control? |
| 19:42.27 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: phys is called root, logical is called root |
| 19:42.51 | nsadmin | hmm, someone take over please... gotta drive |
| 19:42.58 | enouf | llutz: should i set the cache to something astronomical? like -cache 1486985 ? |
| 19:42.59 | ewet | abrotman: what a crap :-/ |
| 19:43.05 | Caelum2 | something is fucked :/ |
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| 19:43.16 | abrotman | ewet: it has to hold a huge database of threats |
| 19:43.20 | nsadmin | briefly... explain diff bet. pv and vg, and how you add pvs to a vg |
| 19:43.27 | llutz | enouf: i hardly use mplayer, read manual |
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| 19:43.44 | enouf | llutz: i did - now you do it |
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| 19:43.53 | goauld | mplayer + vdpau ROCKS! |
| 19:44.01 | nsadmin | one thing, for info... ls -l root-root |
| 19:44.02 | enouf | search for 'track' |
| 19:44.06 | goauld | let you see .mkv with 5% CPU USE! |
| 19:44.31 | llutz | enouf: i won't do your job :) |
| 19:44.40 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: 0 6 254, 0 |
| 19:44.41 | enouf | it's actually much easier to ctrl-c the thing and start at cdda://N |
| 19:44.54 | nsadmin | so it's actually the node |
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| 19:45.17 | nsadmin | you should be able to mount root-root /somewhere |
| 19:45.19 | enouf | llutz: great - thaks for all your help so far - now, it's time for #mplayer to fel my wrath ;-) |
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| 19:45.22 | ewet | abrotman: thank god that I already installed amd64... I really think about 4gb |
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| 19:45.37 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: but it won't mount, says no such file or directory |
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| 19:45.57 | nsadmin | but the ls -l says it's there |
| 19:46.06 | Ox41464b | What command for checking current-bandwidth usage? |
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| 19:46.52 | nsadmin | so if your vg name is root and your lv name is root, that's also referred as /dev/root/root |
| 19:47.04 | Maior | Ox41464b: ifconfig can give a primitive guide |
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| 19:47.25 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: don't have that |
| 19:47.40 | nsadmin | try vgchange -a y |
| 19:47.48 | nsadmin | try pvscan and vgscan |
| 19:48.07 | nsadmin | maybe those aren't in your busybox... but they might be |
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| 19:49.17 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: vgchange said 1 logical volume in group root now active |
| 19:49.22 | Ox41464b | Maior, thanks... |
| 19:49.33 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: but it still won't mount |
| 19:49.55 | nsadmin | show the mount you're trying |
| 19:50.37 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: oh I get it, I was not supposed to call the pg "root" |
| 19:50.48 | nsadmin | but that's ok |
| 19:51.01 | nsadmin | you can refer to it as /dev/root/root |
| 19:51.01 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: I'll reinstall with saner names |
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| 19:51.21 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: /dev/root is a special device |
| 19:51.30 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 19:51.33 | nsadmin | that's why |
| 19:51.47 | Caelum2 | nsadmin: thank you very much |
| 19:52.06 | nsadmin | wait, I don' have a /dev/root |
| 19:52.13 | nsadmin | you sure it's not a dir? |
| 19:52.42 | nsadmin | I guess you can still refer to it as /dev/mapper/root-root |
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| 19:53.08 | nsadmin | could you ls -l /dev/root |
| 19:53.13 | nsadmin | err ls -ld |
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| 19:53.34 | nsadmin | just to satisfy my own curiousity |
| 19:53.53 | Caelum2 | is back in installer |
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| 19:55.08 | nsadmin | well ok, so one vg strategy I've used, is: physical volume over most of a large drive, say it's a wd... I might then create a vg called wd-drive and add that pv to it |
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| 19:58.39 | asdffdsa | how can i determine what kind of RAM i have without opening the box |
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| 20:00.43 | asdffdsa | ta |
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| 20:01.08 | alexandr | #ubuntu-talk |
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| 20:06.00 | alexandr | hey people welcome #ubuntu-talk |
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| 20:06.33 | bolt | from one of my machines, when I ssh to my server, the ssh banner (not motd, the Banner in sshd_config) has its backslashes escaped (\ is drawn as \\). there is some ascii art in the banner, which gets all screwed up by this. what could be wrong? tested rxvt, xfce4-terminal and xterm. all do this on the current box, on the two others they don't. UTF-8 locale on all, $TERM set correctly. |
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| 20:07.03 | nsadmin | alexandr well... you're not on that channel... if you want to be, /join #ubuntu-talk |
| 20:07.40 | alexandr | nsadmin ya russkii |
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| 20:08.48 | fpcfan | abrotman, thanks for the help, the bug report has been updated. |
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| 20:08.56 | nsadmin | alexandr: well... seems you're having fun... I'm on my way to having fun too (gonna go to sanfrancisco and meet A LOT of girls) |
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| 20:09.43 | alexandr | Òû ïîíèìàåø ïî ðóññêè? |
| 20:09.49 | alexandr | èëè êòîíèáóäü òóò ïî ðóññêè ïîíèìàåò? |
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| 20:09.53 | asdffdsa | !ops alexandr |
| 20:09.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: asdffdsa complains about: alexandr |
| 20:10.06 | abrotman | alexandr: english only please |
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| 20:10.12 | WormBe | How can I solve this: I can't install mplayer on sid - it says about unmet dependencies on libavcodev51 (virtual package) and libavcodec-unstripped-51 |
| 20:10.16 | stew | !ru |
| 20:10.16 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 20:10.18 | alexandr | im russian |
| 20:10.26 | stew | a-atwood: try #debian-russian |
| 20:10.30 | stew | alexandr: ^ |
| 20:11.16 | goauld | congratulations, im spanish |
| 20:11.23 | WormBe | in general when i find broken depedencies what can I do? |
| 20:11.41 | goauld | alexandr, gimme some vodka and take some wine |
| 20:12.00 | goauld | lol |
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| 20:12.22 | alexandr | ??? |
| 20:12.38 | arezey | alexandr, /join #debian-russian |
| 20:12.46 | alexandr | im russian |
| 20:12.54 | nsadmin | alexandr: they have their own kind of fun here... they help people with debian in english |
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| 20:15.07 | nsadmin | I;m not sure I'm communicating... |
| 20:15.12 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
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| 20:15.46 | nsadmin | I wonder if we can get a russian speaker to talk to him |
| 20:15.55 | arezey | hmm |
| 20:16.26 | nsadmin | I'm not clear if he knows what a debian is :) |
| 20:16.36 | goauld | lol |
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| 20:17.32 | arezey | alexandr, Ñ
оди в #russian-debian |
| 20:17.36 | arezey | hopes that went right :/ |
| 20:17.46 | bolt | google translate? |
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| 20:18.00 | stoned | 'a' debian? |
| 20:18.13 | nsadmin | okok, some debians! |
| 20:18.20 | stoned | its a proper noun |
| 20:18.33 | nsadmin | then it should be Debian! |
| 20:18.34 | stoned | you can't use it in that context |
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| 20:18.51 | simonrvn | what makes you so sure it's being proper at the moment? :P |
| 20:19.08 | jpinx | alexandr: vidishe #debian-russian |
| 20:19.12 | nsadmin | and yet I think the way I said that communicates the idea I was trying to communicate :) |
| 20:19.14 | arezey | vidishe? |
| 20:19.17 | Ace2017_- | i'm having problems with the fglrx driver, when trying to modprobe fglrx i get this in dmesg: fglrx: Unknown symbol flush_tlb_page |
| 20:19.24 | alexandr | I invite you to the channel #ubuntu-talk |
| 20:19.30 | arezey | hahahahah |
| 20:19.33 | Ace2017_- | kernel: 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 20:19.33 | bolt | alexandr: stop it |
| 20:19.43 | arezey | oh geez |
| 20:19.44 | simonrvn | alexandr: ... |
| 20:19.49 | simonrvn | alexandr: STFU |
| 20:19.57 | bolt | oh for christ's sake. did he just send that to everyone in the channel? |
| 20:20.04 | Geek`N`Proud | bolt, yes |
| 20:20.06 | arezey | bolt, it was a channel notice |
| 20:20.08 | nsadmin | alexandr: but I'm going to meet lotsa girls now! |
| 20:20.09 | jpinx | not to me...... |
| 20:20.09 | Geek`N`Proud | bolt, and #debian too |
| 20:20.17 | simonrvn | yes he did. he effing /notice'd us |
| 20:20.20 | arezey | or, was it? |
| 20:20.30 | bolt | noticed the channel notice |
| 20:20.33 | jpinx | simonrvn: not everyone :p |
| 20:20.38 | arezey | hm. |
| 20:20.39 | Geek`N`Proud | ugh sorry I thought I was in #ubuntu for a sec then :$ |
| 20:20.48 | nsadmin | noticed bolt noticing the channel notice |
| 20:20.53 | Geek`N`Proud | >.> |
| 20:21.08 | simonrvn | alexandr!*@* added to ignore list. |
| 20:21.08 | arezey | noticed himself noticing nsadmin noticing bolt noticing the notice |
| 20:21.14 | arezey | simonrvn, k |
| 20:21.21 | alexandr | ........ |
| 20:21.27 | bolt | alexandr: go away |
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| 20:21.42 | simonrvn | bolt: /ignore, dude |
| 20:21.57 | nsadmin | alexandr: you must go to shopping mall to meet girls |
| 20:22.03 | arezey | heh |
| 20:22.43 | alexandr | Go íàõóé |
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| 20:23.08 | evilGUI | No one likes a SPAMER! |
| 20:23.14 | asdffdsa | !ops alexandr -- once again |
| 20:23.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: asdffdsa complains about: alexandr -- once again |
| 20:23.22 | simonrvn | "SPAMMER" |
| 20:23.25 | arezey | evilgui, spammer |
| 20:23.30 | evilGUI | spammer* |
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| 20:23.43 | Ace2017_- | common guys, stop it, just ignore him |
| 20:23.52 | arezey | how? my client has no /ignore! |
| 20:23.55 | simonrvn | i am |
| 20:24.02 | jpinx | alexandr: УйÑи. ÐÑ ÑаздÑажаÑÑи каждÑй. ÐÑиÑоединиÑеÑÑ Ðº ÐºÐ°Ð½Ð°Ð»Ñ Ð´Ð»Ñ ÑоÑÑийÑкиÑ
ÑпикеÑ. |
| 20:24.12 | asdffdsa | so, is it possible to run a AM3 CPU in a AM2+ socket? |
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| 20:24.17 | Ace2017_- | it happened 5 mins ago, just forget about it |
| 20:24.19 | abrotman | asdffdsa: ##hardware |
| 20:24.22 | asdffdsa | and what are the downsides? |
| 20:24.22 | evilGUI | asdffdsa: No. |
| 20:24.23 | bolt | http://tu-dresden.de/die_tu_dresden/zentrale_einrichtungen/ua/bilder/bestaende/spamer <-- prof. Adolf Spamer |
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| 20:24.31 | arezey | heh |
| 20:24.36 | simonrvn | bolt: *groan* |
| 20:24.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:25.03 | nsadmin | asdffdsa: well let's see... if the power busses are in different places... the downside is destroyed socket, destroyed cpu, destroyed mobo |
| 20:25.04 | simonrvn | bubye |
| 20:25.08 | jpinx | thinks it must be the weekend |
| 20:25.18 | simonrvn | it's a day early |
| 20:25.27 | Eulex | !permasunday |
| 20:25.28 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 20:25.40 | asdffdsa | nsadmin, several people told me it's possible, but i am not quite sure, so.. |
| 20:25.50 | abrotman | asdffdsa: ##hardware |
| 20:25.53 | evilGUI | I take that back, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM2 |
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| 20:25.59 | nsadmin | hmm, then maybe the power busses are in the right place |
| 20:26.39 | nsadmin | asdffdsa: as you know/imply, it's necessary to be -sure- |
| 20:27.19 | evilGUI | You might have to update your BIOS though. |
| 20:27.36 | asdffdsa | This means that an AM3 CPU will fit onto a 940-pin AM2+ motherboard with DDR 2 memory to give existing AMD customers an upgrade path, but you can't insert an AM2+ processor in an AM3 motherboard. |
| 20:27.39 | asdffdsa | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/02/02/review_cpu_amd_phenom_ii/ |
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| 20:28.04 | nsadmin | so you don't have a downgrade path |
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| 20:28.13 | nsadmin | and that's moreorless reasonable |
| 20:29.02 | Ace2017_- | why is there no fglrx-modules-2.6.26-1-amd64? fglrx-modules-2.6.26-1-686 is there, but why no amd64? |
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| 20:29.20 | nsadmin | wait, I kinda take that back... what if someone wants to upgrade their mobo first |
| 20:29.29 | nsadmin | guess you just can't do that for this case |
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| 20:30.15 | abrotman | asdffdsa: nsadmin ##hardware |
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| 20:31.34 | nsadmin | Ace2017_-: radeonhd didn't work? |
| 20:31.46 | perk | is it possible to get a debian "cloak"? |
| 20:31.47 | nsadmin | it might even be in the kernel already |
| 20:32.25 | nsadmin | perk maybe more possible than not if you're a dd |
| 20:32.35 | bolt | perk: ask #freenode |
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| 20:32.50 | lvh | dpkg: ping |
| 20:32.50 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:32.50 | perk | ty |
| 20:33.08 | Ace2017_- | nsadmin: nope |
| 20:33.11 | perk | nsadmin, or maybe manages packages in debian (which i do) |
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| 20:34.09 | nsadmin | perk: maybe... so perhaps #freenode will at least tell you the steps and who to contact (a debian cloak might be managed by some dd) |
| 20:34.09 | asdffdsa | abrotman, as i know what i needed to know the point is kind of moot, but hardware falls within the scope of this channel |
| 20:34.16 | Ace2017_- | brb |
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| 20:34.38 | arezey | oh noes. |
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| 20:34.48 | nsadmin | here we come to save the daaaay |
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| 20:35.59 | alexandr | Americans are stupid |
| 20:36.07 | arezey | ok |
| 20:36.09 | arezey | anything else? |
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| 20:36.18 | abrotman | alexandr: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:36.22 | nsadmin | asdffdsa: it does to a degree... but the question you asked is arguably independent |
| 20:36.29 | abrotman | asdffdsa: no, it doesn't |
| 20:36.41 | arezey | abrotman, guess? |
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| 20:37.36 | asdffdsa | will not get into a 'does not' 'does too' fight ;) |
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| 20:37.56 | nsadmin | "will it electrically work and will it fry my mobo" is independent while "will it work with debian" is not |
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| 20:39.11 | simonrvn | debian cloaks are only given to DDs IIRC |
| 20:39.24 | asdffdsa | simonrvn, correct |
| 20:39.33 | nsadmin | howbout debian clocks? |
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| 20:39.43 | macrut | hello |
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| 20:39.44 | arezey | those'd be fun |
| 20:40.05 | macrut | I have a friend who is trying to modify /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:40.15 | macrut | but he can't |
| 20:40.20 | nsadmin | macrut: why? |
| 20:40.21 | arezey | why? |
| 20:40.25 | streuner | root |
| 20:40.25 | macrut | the terminal returns him this message: |
| 20:40.28 | macrut | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.38 | simonrvn | it's called a text editor. |
| 20:40.45 | macrut | I know |
| 20:40.50 | nsadmin | ok, show his /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:40.51 | simonrvn | his PAM is screwed i bet. |
| 20:40.51 | arezey | simonrvn, text editors need authentication protocls? |
| 20:40.54 | nsadmin | pastebin it |
| 20:41.02 | simonrvn | when you're running with sudo, sure ;). |
| 20:41.06 | \amethyst | that means it's trying to connect to the X server |
| 20:41.11 | macrut | exactly |
| 20:41.12 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 20:41.16 | jpinx | macrut: what command are you using to edit it? |
| 20:41.28 | asdffdsa | ln -s ~user/.Xauthority ~ |
| 20:41.30 | asdffdsa | as root |
| 20:41.37 | arezey | nsadmin, how do you know that the one with the problem isn't for example marcrut's girlfriend? |
| 20:41.41 | asdffdsa | assuming it's X |
| 20:41.41 | nsadmin | macrut: he can "unset DISPLAY" first, or he can "ssh root@localhost" |
| 20:41.48 | macrut | he used gedit |
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| 20:41.54 | arezey | ok he's not |
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| 20:41.55 | asdffdsa | sudo su and then vim foo if it's pam |
| 20:41.56 | macrut | ok |
| 20:42.10 | \amethyst | macrut: export XAUTHORITY=~originaluser/.Xauthority should fix it |
| 20:42.10 | asdffdsa | nsadmin, ssh -Y root@localhost |
| 20:42.21 | asdffdsa | but allowing root login on ssh is stupid |
| 20:42.22 | nsadmin | what's -Y? |
| 20:42.30 | nsadmin | granted |
| 20:42.31 | arezey | nsadmin, man ssh |
| 20:42.33 | asdffdsa | man ssh |
| 20:42.49 | macrut | thanks |
| 20:42.52 | macrut | i'll tell him |
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| 20:42.54 | simonrvn | !sux |
| 20:42.54 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>. |
| 20:42.57 | nsadmin | cmon now, if you suggest it you could back up your statement :) |
| 20:42.59 | simonrvn | macrut: ^^^ |
| 20:43.16 | \amethyst | asdffdsa: there are arguments for allowing key-only root access over ssh, perhaps only from localhost |
| 20:43.32 | nsadmin | or from say a local net |
| 20:43.44 | \amethyst | it makes delegating stuff much easier |
| 20:43.49 | arezey | heh. "PAM Always Malfunctions" - dpkg |
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| 20:44.04 | \amethyst | if one of your admins goes rogue, just revoke his key, rather than resetting the root password for everyone |
| 20:44.14 | simonrvn | good catch on the run X stuff as root |
| 20:44.17 | \amethyst | then again, sudo can do many of the same things these days |
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| 20:44.51 | nsadmin | grogue? |
| 20:45.05 | simonrvn | groguey |
| 20:45.06 | asdffdsa | \amethyst, if an admin goes rouge and knows what he is doing, you need to reinstall the box |
| 20:45.09 | action09 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:45.27 | simonrvn | "admin goes rouge" -> "admin goes red" |
| 20:45.30 | action09 | provide .. :) |
| 20:45.30 | mirak | hi |
| 20:45.39 | mirak | what's the command to allocate more memory to apt ? |
| 20:45.56 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
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| 20:47.58 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | anyone abe to get google earth working with 2.6.26 64bit? using nvidia drivers it starts to load then x crashes |
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| 20:49.02 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | worked fine wih 2.6.24 |
| 20:49.41 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | traded madwifi for googleearth i still got a good deal |
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| 20:49.58 | simonrvn | check if your ogl is working. that's the only reason, other than maybe trying to run a 32b app on 64b userspace. |
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| 20:51.03 | selet | helo |
| 20:51.06 | action09 | "thereâs nothing that can be done other than waiting for AMD to improve their AIGLX support in the drivers." sigh |
| 20:51.10 | action09 | i read |
| 20:51.10 | selet | i rebuild debian |
| 20:51.13 | xingu | amd64deb-2-6-24: I'd taken to running it in a 32bit (s)chroot jail when I was doing such things |
| 20:51.21 | selet | and wget says |
| 20:51.22 | selet | 80... failed: No route to host. |
| 20:51.30 | selet | can anybody help me? |
| 20:51.36 | arezey | selet, rebuild debian? |
| 20:51.42 | asdffdsa | selet, no route to host means it can't reach the server |
| 20:52.12 | simonrvn | maybe s/he means "update" |
| 20:52.28 | arezey | update using wget? |
| 20:52.42 | asdffdsa | tiresome but possible :) |
| 20:52.46 | simonrvn | erm, yeh, you're right :) |
| 20:53.01 | selet | no no |
| 20:53.01 | selet | sory |
| 20:53.05 | selet | im install debian |
| 20:53.06 | selet | and |
| 20:53.17 | arezey | btw the enter key isn't a punctuation mark |
| 20:53.21 | simonrvn | which reminds me, i need to see wtf is going on with a vhost |
| 20:53.25 | simonrvn | !enter |
| 20:53.26 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:53.33 | selet | i try to installing somethink |
| 20:53.40 | selet | but all links i wget |
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| 20:53.47 | selet | the box says |
| 20:53.57 | selet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.01 | selet | how to solved this |
| 20:54.08 | xingu | gosh I'm bored. |
| 20:54.09 | arezey | the remote server's probably down |
| 20:54.12 | asdffdsa | <asdffdsa> selet, no route to host means it can't reach the server |
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| 20:54.18 | selet | oh |
| 20:54.21 | selet | so |
| 20:54.27 | selet | what i doing |
| 20:54.30 | asdffdsa | selet, change your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:54.33 | asdffdsa | !sources.list |
| 20:54.33 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 20:54.42 | arezey | asdffdsa, he says he's using wget :/ |
| 20:54.43 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | and use aptitude |
| 20:54.53 | simonrvn | afk |
| 20:55.15 | selet | maybe i have problem in etc/resolv.conf ?? |
| 20:55.36 | arezey | selet, i don't think so |
| 20:55.38 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | apt sources.list |
| 20:55.39 | apt | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 20:56.03 | Geek`N`Proud | OMG |
| 20:56.13 | Geek`N`Proud | woody info on that factoid? |
| 20:56.22 | asdffdsa | Geek`N`Proud, change it, then |
| 20:56.27 | arezey | heh |
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| 20:56.40 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | remindes me of good times |
| 20:56.46 | Geek`N`Proud | apt, sources.list is If you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' |
| 20:56.47 | apt | ...but sources.list is already something else... |
| 20:57.07 | Geek`N`Proud | apt sources.list |
| 20:57.07 | apt | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 20:57.12 | Geek`N`Proud | ugh |
| 20:57.14 | arezey | heh |
| 20:57.52 | asdffdsa | apt: no, sources.list is If you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' |
| 20:57.52 | apt | okay, asdffdsa |
| 20:58.03 | Geek`N`Proud | ahh =] |
| 20:58.11 | abrotman | do not do that |
| 20:58.35 | Geek`N`Proud | apt moo |
| 20:58.36 | apt | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
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| 20:59.01 | wedge | apt poo |
| 20:59.01 | apt | poo is smelly |
| 20:59.01 | arezey | heh |
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| 20:59.18 | selet | aaaaaar |
| 20:59.19 | selet | kwkw |
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| 21:02.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman is there any advange of upstart over the init daemon |
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| 21:02.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ? |
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| 21:06.08 | asdffdsa | sh4d3sl4y3r_, lots, but for debian, you want init-ng |
| 21:06.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm |
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| 21:07.17 | mib_t29bbn | hi |
| 21:07.17 | arezey | what's wrong with initd? |
| 21:07.31 | mib_t29bbn | i'm on debian 4 |
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| 21:07.39 | mib_t29bbn | with php 5.0.8 |
| 21:07.41 | Geek`N`Proud | no you want to stick with sysvinit |
| 21:07.58 | mib_t29bbn | oups 5.2.0 |
| 21:08.10 | mib_t29bbn | and i want to use the svn functions of php |
| 21:08.18 | arezey | mib_t29bbn, ##php |
| 21:08.29 | mib_t29bbn | ^^ |
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| 21:08.46 | Geek`N`Proud | sh4d3sl4y3r_, there is on Ubuntu.. but for an experienced user there isn't a lot of advantage |
| 21:09.15 | Geek`N`Proud | it speeds up the boot sequence when set up especially for it and it can enhance plug and play with events as opposed to services |
| 21:09.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm always wondered so asked |
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| 21:09.47 | Geek`N`Proud | for example.. if you have an isdn modem an isdn event could trigger the appropriate services |
| 21:09.56 | Geek`N`Proud | but not trigger at all if you don't have one |
| 21:10.16 | Geek`N`Proud | it also runs some boot services in parallel which speeds the boot |
| 21:10.33 | Geek`N`Proud | but overall sysvinit still works fine |
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| 21:10.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes |
| 21:10.45 | tandy | is there a command that will show me every process listening or sending data on a certain port? |
| 21:10.46 | asdffdsa | correct |
| 21:10.52 | Maior | lol |
| 21:10.54 | asdffdsa | but faster boot is a nice plus for laptops |
| 21:10.56 | Geek`N`Proud | tandy, yes it's called netstat -a |
| 21:10.58 | abrotman | tandy: fuser or lsof |
| 21:11.08 | asdffdsa | tandy, netstat -pnat |
| 21:11.13 | asdffdsa | and |
| 21:11.16 | asdffdsa | tandy, netstat -pnau |
| 21:11.21 | asdffdsa | for tcp & udp |
| 21:11.27 | tandy | thanks |
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| 21:11.49 | maligor | lsof shows process |
| 21:12.10 | maligor | oh, so does netstat, never used it much :P |
| 21:12.26 | ephemeros | question: anyone know when the testing images will be out? they should be updated weekly afaik bot these ones are from older, before the 5.0 release |
| 21:12.41 | abrotman | ephemeros: use the lenny ones and dist-upgrade |
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| 21:13.21 | ephemeros | thanks abrotman |
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| 21:14.08 | Ace2017_- | nsadmin: it worked, i got fglrx working, its pretty nice |
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| 21:19.14 | jatt | do the scripts in /etc/cron.d run hourly, daily or monthly? or they just don't run at all automatically? |
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| 21:19.30 | lfaraone | How can I locate the oldest file on a system? |
| 21:19.38 | lfaraone | (I'm trying to figure out when I installed it) |
| 21:20.00 | \amethyst | jatt: the files in cron.d are crontabs, so the file itself says when to run |
| 21:20.51 | arezey | lfaraone, files don't have a creation time modifier |
| 21:21.24 | arezey | but i'd look for at the mtimes of /boot, the kernels tend to be left untouched |
| 21:22.23 | jatt | I see thanks |
| 21:22.24 | lfaraone | arezey: thanks. |
| 21:22.55 | arezey | lfaraone, unless one removes the kernels manually... it's not bomb-proof but the only thing i can think of |
| 21:23.19 | lfaraone | Does kernel.org have a site set up for security notices a la DSN? |
| 21:23.26 | lfaraone | arezey: yeah, that worked. |
| 21:23.47 | arezey | ok good |
| 21:24.01 | lfaraone | In order for Linux to boot on my platform we had to run a patched kernel, I'm trying to figure out if I should rebuild it. |
| 21:24.17 | lfaraone | (currently -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1321084 Oct 27 13:46 vmlinuz-2.6.25.15 |
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| 21:26.04 | ces200 | hello, can u help me pls? http://sites.google.com/a/hersoy.net/huseyin/Home/EkranGoruntusu-Picasa2.png |
| 21:26.17 | Savick | hi guys, can you please help me in getting pppd to _add_ a default route to my routing table regardless of that there already is one (with lower metric - backup link)? |
| 21:26.33 | ces200 | i dont setup google picasa |
| 21:27.50 | lfaraone | ces200: what? |
| 21:28.28 | ces200 | i dont see picasa menu file/edit ... |
| 21:28.53 | lfaraone | ces200: well, we don't develop or package picasa. |
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| 21:29.04 | pipeline | Savick: just stick scripts in the up/down.d directories in /etc/ppp/ |
| 21:29.13 | lfaraone | ces200: you're running it using WINE, right? |
| 21:29.29 | ces200 | i using debian lenny 5 |
| 21:29.39 | pipeline | Savick: those scripts get run when pppd goes up/down |
| 21:29.46 | pipeline | lfaraone: google's official distribution uses wine |
| 21:29.51 | ces200 | google packages site, i dont run wine |
| 21:30.01 | lfaraone | ces200: See http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Labs-Picasa-for-Linux/tree/browse_frm/month/2008-11/30493efd84329635?rnum=101&_done=%2Fgroup%2FGoogle-Labs-Picasa-for-Linux%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2008-11%3F&pli=1 please. |
| 21:30.07 | pipeline | ces200: looks like a localization problem - try setting LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 before starting the app, see what happens. |
| 21:30.08 | lfaraone | pipeline: Yeah, winelib. |
| 21:30.13 | Savick | pipeline: that wouldn't work since the route would be removed whenever the link goes down while pppd doesn't - it reconnects |
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| 21:30.20 | lfaraone | pipeline: It's reported to be a compiz issue. |
| 21:30.22 | Savick | then the route would be removed and not added again |
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| 21:30.42 | pipeline | lfaraone: doesn't really matter... when you build an app with winelib, it comes with the entire wine stack :) |
| 21:30.53 | pipeline | Savick: then don't add a script to remove the route :P |
| 21:30.55 | pipeline | Savick: problem solved |
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| 21:31.01 | simonrvn | Savick: do it via /e/n/interfaces |
| 21:31.09 | Savick | the route would be removed 'cause ppp0 would disappear |
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| 21:32.05 | ces200 | pipeline, sorry i dont understand LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 ? setting/write ? |
| 21:32.24 | lfaraone | ces200: are you using compiz? |
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| 21:33.10 | lfaraone | How can I invert the colors used on the ttys, white on black looks better on my BW display. |
| 21:33.10 | ces200 | local setting turkey, compiz sorry i dont know |
| 21:33.32 | pipeline | lfaraone: xterm -rv :D |
| 21:33.36 | lfaraone | ces200: type this in a terminal: "metacity --replace &" |
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| 21:33.45 | lfaraone | ces200: then try the app |
| 21:33.55 | lfaraone | pipeline: lol, these are legit ttys. |
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| 21:34.47 | pipeline | lfaraone: legit ttys ? my last tty could do green, amber, or white with a switch on the side. Perhaps yours is similar. |
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| 21:35.07 | Decepticon | how do i tell where the largest files on the hdd are |
| 21:35.08 | lfaraone | pipeline: As in, I'm on a virtual console. |
| 21:36.23 | pipeline | lfaraone: yeah, I've always hated that crap. an annoying SCO-ism. I wouldn't even know how to do that. |
| 21:36.40 | pipeline | lfaraone: I'm guessing that it's going to involve using a framebuffer mode for the console |
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| 21:37.23 | pipeline | lfaraone: looks like setterm is the magic tool |
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| 21:37.57 | lfaraone | pipeline: kk. |
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| 21:40.06 | Sam_IRC | Hey guys. I just installed debian 5. If I try running apt-get install openssh-server i get E: Couldn't find package openssh-server |
| 21:40.29 | pipeline | Sam_IRC: your sources.list is sucky |
| 21:40.33 | pipeline | Sam_IRC: add more/better sources |
| 21:40.41 | pipeline | Sam_IRC: alsos, try running apt-get update |
| 21:40.44 | Sam_IRC | pipeline: do you have a good sources list I can add? |
| 21:40.53 | Sam_IRC | i'll run the update first |
| 21:41.04 | pipeline | Sam_IRC: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 21:41.24 | CpR_ | http://howtoforge.net/the-perfect-desktop-debian-lenny-p2 |
| 21:41.59 | Sam_IRC | CpR_: I'm not running lenny desktop |
| 21:42.01 | Rioting_pacifist | i have a wierd hw problem, basically my drive will disapear then after a few seconds it will come back fine, debian sensibly remounts it ro, but because / is then ro i cant figure out how to remout it rw (sudo doesnt work), if can i change errors=ro to errors=rw or is there a better way to remount it? |
| 21:42.07 | mnguyen | hey folks, is /etc/X11/xorg.conf the file still used to configure xorg in Lenny? |
| 21:42.44 | CpR_ | "<Sam_IRC> Hey guys. I just installed debian 5" |
| 21:42.53 | Sam_IRC | i mean server edition ;) |
| 21:42.59 | unop | mnguyen, not so much, no |
| 21:43.14 | mnguyen | unop: where is it configured now? |
| 21:43.28 | CpR_ | Sam_IRC on that link you have sources.list ... |
| 21:43.31 | unop | mnguyen, Xorg tries to configure itself - automagically |
| 21:44.04 | mnguyen | unop: hmm okay... so i just installed fglrx-driver, compiled the module, and modprobe fglrx... do I need to configure xorg.conf? |
| 21:44.08 | unop | mnguyen, you can still use the xorg.conf to override settings |
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| 21:44.20 | unop | mnguyen, yea |
| 21:44.22 | mnguyen | unop: how do I know what video drivers xorg is using? |
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| 21:47.17 | lfaraone | pipeline: any way to make that stick? :) |
| 21:47.24 | patrick-- | http://pastebin.com/m65e18b47 <-- needing help with this |
| 21:47.36 | Mark17 | Server refused to allocate pty |
| 21:47.36 | Mark17 | stdin: is not a tty |
| 21:47.50 | Mark17 | what can i do to fix that? |
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| 21:49.27 | action09 | i'm going to test the solution found for slow scrolled windows: Option "AccelMethod" "xaa" |
| 21:50.04 | app4des | action09: what driver are you using? |
| 21:50.27 | action09 | app4des fglrx from repository |
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| 21:50.56 | abrotman | patrick--: is there an actual error ? |
| 21:50.59 | action09 | app4des found this "solution" (not yet tested): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/177492 |
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| 21:51.38 | patrick-- | abrotman: the last 3 locale outputs |
| 21:51.40 | app4des | action09: you must disable any compositing, to have smooth window management with fglrx. |
| 21:51.46 | sonictwin | ok i've had gaim open all day, just got back to my computer, theres a pop up window saying "dontcry wants to sent you startkeylogger (Unknown.)" and cancel accept buttons... should i be worried? |
| 21:51.51 | abrotman | patrick--: does the package install ? |
| 21:51.52 | legolas558 | i have a huge problem with partitions, can somebody please help me? *panic* |
| 21:52.00 | patrick-- | abrotman: "locale" ? |
| 21:52.00 | abrotman | sonictwin: ignore it please .. he's been dealt with |
| 21:52.06 | sonictwin | k |
| 21:52.17 | sonictwin | thank you |
| 21:52.34 | action09 | app4des by adding which parameters ? or doing what please ? i already add Option "Composite" "Disable" |
| 21:52.43 | legolas558 | doomed the partition table |
| 21:52.50 | app4des | action09, what is your desktop manager? |
| 21:52.57 | action09 | app4des fluxbox |
| 21:53.06 | patrick-- | abrotman: what package do you mean? |
| 21:53.26 | abrotman | patrick--: what were you doing when you got that error ? |
| 21:53.35 | patrick-- | installing proftpd |
| 21:53.44 | app4des | action09, I dont know if fluxbox uses any compositing manager, if it does you should disable it with this driver, there is nothing you can do for proprietrary drivers |
| 21:54.25 | action09 | app4des http://pastebin.com/d7a600792 i'm going to restart X with this conf to test |
| 21:54.25 | patrick-- | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m124c7fe4 |
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| 21:55.05 | action09 | app4des thx for your answer ;) |
| 21:55.28 | abrotman | patrick--: i don't think that's causing the real error |
| 21:55.42 | patrick-- | abrotman: what could it be? |
| 21:56.24 | abrotman | patrick--: it appears to be a problem in the postinst for proftpd |
| 21:57.02 | app4des | action09, I think you are wasting time messing with xorg.conf alternations. Usually the default xorg.conf from "X -configure" are enough for most drivers. I suggest you just wait when the open source radeon driver gets better |
| 21:57.08 | patrick-- | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m1d2bee20 |
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| 21:58.24 | xjunior | hi all |
| 21:58.39 | abrotman | patrick--: i generate all the en_US locales, and i don't get that error .. |
| 21:58.47 | patrick-- | okay |
| 21:58.49 | patrick-- | lets try |
| 21:58.56 | xjunior | I'm installing openssh-server, but it depends on openssh-client and some x11 libs (such as x11-common), why? |
| 21:59.03 | action09 | app4des i thought to play with this, but i have a dual screen, and xinerama/ xrandr are not working with free driver (maybe i do something wrong) |
| 21:59.04 | abrotman | though you're german .. so i'd guess to do your local ones .. not the en_US |
| 21:59.14 | patrick-- | i tried |
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| 22:00.12 | xjunior | ? |
| 22:00.13 | action09 | xjunior for X11 forwarding thrugh ssh, i suppose |
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| 22:00.30 | patrick-- | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m39f24ffd |
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| 22:00.42 | xjunior | action09: but I don't even have X11 installed, and I probably wont have it never cause it's just a server |
| 22:00.50 | CharminTheMoose | I've got a number of directories that have .sf2 files in them, how do i recursively (say about 5 levels) remove all .sf2 files? |
| 22:00.51 | Dalyor | hello all |
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| 22:01.03 | app4des | action09, yes I know, you should use fglrx then, but i suggesting looking at "man fglrx" and "man aticonfig" instead of xorg.conf changes based on ubuntu forums. |
| 22:01.04 | simonrvn | man find;man xargs |
| 22:01.44 | Dalyor | compiz-fusion ?? |
| 22:01.59 | arezey | what about compiz-fusion? |
| 22:02.17 | abrotman | patrick--: tried running localeconf ? |
| 22:03.02 | patrick-- | strange.. |
| 22:03.06 | patrick-- | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/mec67ba4 |
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| 22:03.29 | abrotman | try running it ? |
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| 22:03.34 | abrotman | or dpkg-reconfigure localeconf ? |
| 22:03.41 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | heh cheese is pretty neat |
| 22:03.49 | abrotman | you should try yogurt! |
| 22:03.52 | xjunior | ? |
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| 22:04.09 | patrick-- | yogurt? |
| 22:04.14 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | haha |
| 22:04.15 | abrotman | not you |
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| 22:05.01 | xjunior | I'm installing openssh-server, but it depends on openssh-client and some x11 libs (such as x11-common), why? is there a way to skip X11 dependency? |
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| 22:05.32 | abrotman | xjunior: it recommends xauth .. tell it not to install recommends |
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| 22:05.57 | HazardX | anyone know how to configure rsyslog to dump UDP log data to a file, without also dumping the same log info from the UDP host to the system's own logs? |
| 22:06.51 | xjunior | abrotman: how? |
| 22:07.05 | abrotman | man aptitude |
| 22:07.15 | patrick-- | abrotman: fixed it. reconfigured localeconf... thank you |
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| 22:08.10 | action09 | app4des yes thx , i as you say, i've learnt that any mdoification done on xorg.conf isn't properly done until fglrx following command is done... :( : "aticonfig --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf --tls=1" |
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| 22:11.35 | sonictwin | whats the best program to burn an audio cd from mp3s in debian etch? |
| 22:11.40 | sonictwin | or any program |
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| 22:11.53 | mio | cdrecord |
| 22:12.11 | llutz | cdrecord is not in debian, just cdrkit (fork) |
| 22:12.14 | mio | i get kernel crash after finishing cdrecord |
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| 22:12.35 | Macer | will i have any problems with older fbsd raids mounting in debian? |
| 22:12.36 | chuck | is there an apt command to get information about a packge (version, description) |
| 22:12.51 | llutz | chuck: apt-cache show pak |
| 22:12.51 | Eulex | chuck, apt-cache show |
| 22:12.52 | Macer | it's an 8TB raid6 and i want to wipe fbsd and use debian on the box |
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| 22:13.01 | chuck | thank you :-) |
| 22:13.15 | Macer | debian should be able to pick up the areca 1100 and the ufs right? |
| 22:13.19 | xjunior | Hi, during the installation of debian, It was accessing the internet, now it isn't, can somebody help me? |
| 22:13.22 | sonictwin | lol... i was hoping for something with a gtk frontend, im installing serpentine right now |
| 22:13.24 | jschindler | I just did a fresh install of debian lenny from the netinst. After the installation completed I was unable to find multiple common packages performing a apt-cache search. When I checked out the sources.list, all I have is security, and debian-volatile. I've been away from debian for about 4 years... so I may just be missing something, but how do I get a complete sources.list? Am I missing a step? |
| 22:13.41 | margiolas | hello i have a 5100 intel wireless card wich is the specific kernel module? i have installed the firmware |
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| 22:13.58 | llutz | margiolas: iwlagn? |
| 22:14.07 | unop | !tell jschindler about sources.list |
| 22:14.07 | abrotman | jschindler: you just want to add a regular source |
| 22:14.15 | jschindler | xjunior: did your IP get an address? |
| 22:14.37 | sonictwin | looks like serpentine is gonna work, i must have installed the mp3 codecs earlier |
| 22:14.42 | abrotman | jschindler: like deb http://ftp.uga.edu/debian/ main |
| 22:14.43 | jschindler | no, I can do that... I want the built in sources to include standard packages like Xorg and lynx |
| 22:14.50 | margiolas | llutz: i have the 2.6.26 kernel |
| 22:15.45 | xjunior | please guys? |
| 22:15.48 | jschindler | abortman: I am willing to find what the sources should be and manually type them in... but that doesn't seem like the right approach from a fresh install... |
| 22:16.32 | abrotman | jschindler: sounds like your network wasn't detected at install time |
| 22:16.34 | jschindler | xjunior: are you using a wireless or wired connection? |
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| 22:16.58 | sonictwin | xjunior: try "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 22:17.01 | xjunior | jschindler: wired |
| 22:17.08 | jschindler | abortman: the DHCP portion returned correctly... additionally I can ping w/out issues |
| 22:17.31 | abrotman | jschindler: okay ... well anyways.. that's a UGA mirror .. should work fine for you |
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| 22:17.50 | jschindler | xjunior: does ping www.google.com return anything? |
| 22:18.08 | xjunior | jschindler: nop, and ifconfig only shows lo |
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| 22:18.32 | llutz | xjunior: does "ifconfig -a" show ethX? |
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| 22:19.05 | jschindler | xjunior: try /etc/init.d/networking restart as root |
| 22:19.05 | xjunior | llutz: yes, eth0 and wlan0, but I'm only interested on eth0 |
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| 22:19.50 | xjunior | jschindler: llutz sorry, only shows wlan0 and wmaster0 |
| 22:19.57 | xjunior | jschindler: but the installer was using eth0 |
| 22:20.03 | xjunior | and I know I have it |
| 22:20.08 | micekiller | hi there, can anyone tell me if the mentioned libcairo2 upgrade already reached unstable? http://bugs.debian.org/508214 i'm experiencing exactly the same issue. |
| 22:20.46 | abrotman | micekiller: probably .. it's from last year |
| 22:20.51 | corey | hello, i'm configuring subversion server with sasl authentitation. i switch on sasl on true in svnserv.conf ans set encription settings, created user name and password but whe i making checkout i havent authorizations. |
| 22:20.55 | patrikf | micekiller: packages.debian.org will gladly tell you |
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| 22:21.10 | llutz | xjunior: what network-card? lspci |grep -i eth |
| 22:21.15 | micekiller | one moment, i'll have a look |
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| 22:21.33 | Arrowmaster | when doing apt pinning, can you specifiy more than one package name on a 'Package: ' line? all the examples i see either only list one package or use * |
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| 22:22.05 | xjunior | sorry llutz and jschindler |
| 22:22.14 | xjunior | llutz: I haven't lspci |
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| 22:22.37 | jschindler | xjunior: yes you do. Run it as root |
| 22:22.47 | xjunior | jschindler: I'm as root |
| 22:22.51 | abrotman | if he doesn't have pciutils installed, he won't |
| 22:22.57 | amphi | heh |
| 22:23.06 | amphi | you don't need to be root |
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| 22:23.19 | xjunior | jschindler: I'm installing pciutils |
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| 22:23.43 | xjunior | jschindler: llutz: what was the command to run? |
| 22:23.49 | llutz | xjunior: what network-card? lspci |grep -i eth |
| 22:24.34 | lfaraone | How can I cat a file through a serial connection? |
| 22:24.49 | valdyn | lfaraone: with cat |
| 22:25.20 | xjunior | llutz: 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105/VT6106S [Rhine-III] (rev 86) |
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| 22:25.53 | valdyn | lfaraone: but maybe you want to use something like kermit for some error correction mechanism |
| 22:25.57 | llutz | xjunior: modprobe via-rhine |
| 22:26.01 | abrotman | lspci -nn or -k |
| 22:26.04 | lfaraone | valdyn: how do I set it to the proper baud? |
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| 22:26.14 | valdyn | lfaraone: not at all? |
| 22:26.25 | Ogre | UBUNTU IS BETTER |
| 22:26.27 | AdamDH | hi, any one know how I can stop stipping on amd64 arch inside a package I am currently packaging? I have stopped dh-strip but that does not seem to work |
| 22:26.28 | valdyn | lfaraone: or with minicom |
| 22:26.33 | Ogre | SO IS GENTOO |
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| 22:26.41 | Ogre | FEDORE IS SHITE |
| 22:26.41 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@82-38-172-80.cable.ubr01.shef.blueyonder.co.uk] by abrotman |
| 22:26.42 | AdamDH | I agree I am a long term Gentoo user :P |
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| 22:26.54 | xjunior | llutz: done |
| 22:26.55 | valdyn | lfaraone: i dont actually know if setting baud rate is needed |
| 22:27.03 | llutz | xjunior: ifconfig -a |
| 22:27.03 | lfaraone | valdyn: basically I'm trying to transfer files to a bare bones debian system that has no network connection. |
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| 22:27.21 | xjunior | llutz: nothing |
| 22:27.30 | valdyn | lfaraone: between minicom and a kermit of your choice, or maybe just minicom you got all you need |
| 22:27.32 | llutz | xjunior: no error after modprobe? |
| 22:27.56 | lfaraone | valdyn: ok |
| 22:28.08 | xjunior | llutz: none |
| 22:28.10 | llutz | xjunior: check "dmesg" output for errors (at end of output) |
| 22:28.34 | valdyn | lfaraone: i dont actually remember if minicom itself does file transfers via kermit or z-modem or whatever |
| 22:28.38 | micekiller | abrotman: i checked libcairo2. it got updated on february 17th. downgrading to 1.6.4-7 resolved the issue, upgrading to 1.8.6-2 brought it back. should i reopen http://bugs.debian.org/508214 ? |
| 22:28.48 | llutz | xjunior: lsmod|grep rhine should output at least one line |
| 22:28.53 | valdyn | lfaraone: kermit and zmodem are data transfer protocols |
| 22:29.05 | abrotman | micekiller: you can append it, ask if it's really fixed ? |
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| 22:29.12 | lfaraone | valdyn: ah. |
| 22:29.19 | xjunior | llutz: humm, I did modprobe -r and modprobe again on the module, and when loading it again I got an error |
| 22:29.22 | micekiller | abrotman: kthx |
| 22:29.24 | xjunior | Invalid MAC address |
| 22:29.31 | xjunior | llutz: Invalid MAC address |
| 22:29.33 | lfaraone | valdyn: (I'm fairly new to serial connections) |
| 22:29.50 | valdyn | lfaraone: i havent used it for more than 10 years |
| 22:29.58 | llutz | xjunior: onboard-nic? check your pc-bios |
| 22:30.05 | valdyn | !mailbox |
| 22:30.08 | valdyn | !bbs |
| 22:30.08 | dpkg | from memory, bbs is Bulletin Board System. also AOLbonics for "be back soon" which you shouldn't use in #debian. |
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| 22:30.13 | valdyn | oo |
| 22:30.23 | xjunior | llutz: what should I check there? |
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| 22:30.47 | valdyn | lfaraone: i just see that minicom already does zmodem |
| 22:30.54 | llutz | xjunior: nic-related settings (mac etc) |
| 22:30.59 | lfaraone | valdyn: does zmodem/minicom have to be installed on the dest? |
| 22:31.09 | valdyn | lfaraone: yes, both sides use same software |
| 22:31.13 | xjunior | llutz: but what exactly? |
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| 22:31.42 | xjunior | llutz: wait |
| 22:31.45 | CentHOGG | hi I've just installed XFCE on a PPC and everything is ok. The only thing is that the menus are very fast. What I mean is this. For example If I pop up the mouse-finder menu and look at what my options there are, the menu will close within 4 secs (too quick). Is there a way to set this longer or turn off the menu reset entirely? thx |
| 22:32.04 | llutz | xjunior: sry don't know. maybe theres a MAC-setting option |
| 22:32.16 | xjunior | llutz: what is nic? I'm at the setup |
| 22:32.21 | lfaraone | valdyn: hm. All that' |
| 22:32.27 | llutz | network interface card |
| 22:32.34 | lfaraone | valdyn: hm. All that's installed on the target is getty software. |
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| 22:33.27 | valdyn | lfaraone: nothing with kermit in its name? or lrzsz ? |
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| 22:33.55 | lfaraone | valdyn: No. |
| 22:33.58 | valdyn | lfaraone: you actually can transfer data just with cat , but thats without error correction |
| 22:34.07 | valdyn | lfaraone: so try it.. |
| 22:34.30 | valdyn | lfaraone: i think getty is able to set port speed |
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| 22:35.39 | valdyn | lfaraone: and maybe you need or should switch hardware ec on, but maybe cat file > /dev/ttyS0 on source and cat /dev/ttyS0 > file on destination already gets you good results |
| 22:36.00 | valdyn | lfaraone: i dont know the default settings on your serial interfaces |
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| 22:37.07 | valdyn | lfaraone: maybe cu is installed |
| 22:37.14 | jschindler | pciutils isn't on netinst either... wtf... Has anyone here done a successful fresh install from a netinst? |
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| 22:37.41 | valdyn | lfaraone: cu can set port parameters too |
| 22:37.47 | jschindler | I should amend that to say a netinst of lenny |
| 22:37.50 | karikari | hi, just wondering, if encrypting partitons with LVM, is it common to encrypt the physical volume and put LVM on top of that, or encrypt the logical volumes? |
| 22:38.16 | llutz | jschindler: 2hrs ago, yes |
| 22:38.25 | xjunior | jschindler: what is really weird is that the debian installer used it for installation |
| 22:38.37 | valdyn | karikari: choice is yours |
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| 22:39.01 | jschindler | llutz: And it automatically updated your sources.list to something useful? |
| 22:39.13 | llutz | jschindler: yes |
| 22:39.46 | jschindler | llutz: Thanks. I must have grabbed the wrong ISO or something... this doesn't make any sense. |
| 22:39.58 | llutz | jschindler: main + security + volatile |
| 22:39.59 | karikari | valdyn, ok, so if I'm encrypting all the logical volumes anyway, it is just more comfortable to encrypt the physical volumes (since there are less of them)? |
| 22:40.22 | llutz | jschindler: debian-500-amd64-businesscard.iso is what i used |
| 22:41.00 | app4des | is anyone here using the video lan player from lenny repos? |
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| 22:41.43 | Xires | downgrade? |
| 22:41.45 | karikari | and encryption today, is luks most commonly used? |
| 22:41.47 | Xires | ... |
| 22:41.49 | abrotman | app4des: what if we are ? |
| 22:42.01 | valdyn | lfaraone: and if you just have getty, theres a solution too, if you have uudecode / uuencode |
| 22:42.16 | app4des | This version in lenny can't display subtitles to me |
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| 22:42.47 | jschindler | llutz: I used the debian-500-i386-netinst.iso I have http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main and http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main |
| 22:42.56 | CentHOGG | hi I've just installed XFCE on a PPC and everything is ok. The only thing is that the menus are very fast. What I mean is this. For example If I pop up the mouse-finder menu and look at what my options there are, the menu will close within 4 secs (too quick). Is there a way to set this longer or turn off the menu reset entirely? thx |
| 22:42.57 | abrotman | i gave you one to add |
| 22:43.09 | Xires | can anyone tell me a simple way to downgrade globally? |
| 22:43.17 | abrotman | can't |
| 22:43.20 | valdyn | Xires: thats not supported at all |
| 22:43.31 | Xires | :-( |
| 22:43.34 | Xires | selectively? |
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| 22:44.02 | app4des | abrotman: have you tested displaying subtitles in vlc? |
| 22:44.35 | abrotman | app4des: i don't use it to watch movies |
| 22:44.42 | app4des | ok |
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| 22:46.02 | llutz | xjunior: after some googlin: it seems to be a known problem with via-rhine, but nobody knows the exact reason/solution :( |
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| 22:48.35 | valdyn | CentHOGG: i dont get what you mean at all, menus stay open once clicked |
| 22:48.51 | valdyn | CentHOGG: are you doing double clicks by holding the mouse or something like that? |
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| 22:49.03 | CentHOGG | valdyn: hi what I mean is if on the desktop you click a menu item... |
| 22:49.17 | CentHOGG | then the popup opens and stays that way for 3 secs |
| 22:49.21 | CentHOGG | then autocloses |
| 22:49.25 | CentHOGG | it's too quick |
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| 22:49.43 | valdyn | CentHOGG: it doesnt close ever by itself |
| 22:49.50 | Mox` | where is the net.conf? :S |
| 22:49.59 | valdyn | Mox`: man interfaces |
| 22:50.03 | CentHOGG | ok lemme check and describe it better |
| 22:50.41 | CentHOGG | valdyn: ok on the desktop bottom there is an icon for "xfce menu" |
| 22:50.45 | CentHOGG | ok? |
| 22:50.48 | valdyn | CentHOGG: i can imagine you producing a result like this if you hold the mouse button and double click is emulated by holding |
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| 22:51.03 | pwnage | hello |
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| 22:51.13 | CentHOGG | valdyn: no no double clicking just click once |
| 22:51.14 | CentHOGG | ok |
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| 22:51.23 | CentHOGG | and the menu pops up |
| 22:51.27 | CentHOGG | for only 3 secs |
| 22:51.30 | CentHOGG | then closes |
| 22:51.39 | CentHOGG | ok? |
| 22:51.43 | karikari | do you recommend luks or something else for hd encryption? |
| 22:51.52 | valdyn | CentHOGG: yea, i get it, no idea why or how to fix that |
| 22:52.11 | CentHOGG | valdyn: ok but on your system when you click once it stays open? |
| 22:52.18 | valdyn | CentHOGG: sure |
| 22:52.18 | CentHOGG | i'm on an imac |
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| 22:52.24 | Saviq | pipeline: you were actually (of course) right, ip-up.d was the way to go - I thought, for some reason, that these are executed on pppd start / stop, and they're not, of course |
| 22:52.29 | CentHOGG | with that one-button mouse |
| 22:52.32 | lfaraone | valdyn: no such luck |
| 22:52.36 | valdyn | CentHOGG: debian should behave any different on an imac |
| 22:52.41 | valdyn | lfaraone: no which luck? |
| 22:52.54 | valdyn | lfaraone: i told you alot of ways, i dont know what you tried |
| 22:53.22 | lfaraone | valdyn: I mean, the dest doesn't have uuencode/decode |
| 22:53.39 | pwnage | will Debian 5 allow me to install kde, and not have gnome ? |
| 22:53.41 | valdyn | lfaraone: how is this supposed to work at all? |
| 22:53.54 | lfaraone | valdyn: hm? |
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| 22:54.01 | abrotman | pwnage: of coures |
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| 22:54.14 | valdyn | lfaraone: these boxes, whats their point if they do not have networking? |
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| 22:54.34 | lfaraone | valdyn: They do, just wireless only. |
| 22:54.51 | valdyn | lfaraone: so? cant you use that? |
| 22:54.53 | lfaraone | valdyn: (802.11s, too) |
| 22:55.01 | lfaraone | valdyn: If it had WPA_supplicant installed :) |
| 22:55.15 | valdyn | lfaraone: why? cant you setup an open ap? |
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| 22:55.36 | lfaraone | valdyn: nope, IT banned that. |
| 22:56.05 | lfaraone | valdyn: (all of the wifi hotspots in the complex also double as wifi scanners, so that IT can check for non-compliance) |
| 22:56.07 | valdyn | if i was more skilled i could probably code uudecode in few minutes |
| 22:56.32 | lfaraone | valdyn: you need GCC , right? |
| 22:57.01 | valdyn | lfaraone: you got perl, you dont need gcc |
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| 22:58.39 | adm | Is there a 64bit version of Debian install? |
| 22:58.50 | valdyn | adm: yes |
| 22:58.52 | lfaraone | adm: of course, amd64? |
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| 22:59.17 | lfaraone | adm: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ just select amd64 |
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| 22:59.49 | adm | lfaraone: is th4ere also an intel64? |
| 22:59.57 | lfaraone | adm: heh. |
| 22:59.58 | valdyn | adm: amd64 is for intel |
| 23:00.06 | lfaraone | adm: AMD64 works for both AMD and intel processors. |
| 23:00.11 | adm | lfaraone: I'm supposing amd means for amd chip? |
| 23:00.19 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 23:00.19 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64> |
| 23:00.21 | adm | lfaraone: Ok, thanks for that. |
| 23:00.21 | lfaraone | adm: Intel licensed the tech, it was cheaper than R/Ding it themselves. |
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| 23:00.37 | valdyn | adm: it means the equivalent to i in i386 |
| 23:00.42 | abrotman | lfaraone: that's only cause they blew all their money on itanium :) |
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| 23:01.55 | adm | what is a good reason to use amd64? |
| 23:01.59 | adm | :) |
| 23:02.17 | lfaraone | adm: if you don't need to use flash, java, etc without major pains. |
| 23:02.36 | lfaraone | adm: everything in the repos will work, but proprietary stuff usually isn't compiled for it. |
| 23:02.54 | craigevil | there is 64 bit flash and java |
| 23:02.54 | valdyn | adm: having more than 3G of ram is |
| 23:03.04 | valdyn | craigevil: in debian? |
| 23:03.11 | lfaraone | adm: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit#Which%20is%20better? |
| 23:03.18 | lfaraone | craigevil: java *plugin*? |
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| 23:03.26 | lfaraone | craigevil: (that acutally *works*) |
| 23:03.28 | craigevil | jva yes , flash you would have to use adobe's |
| 23:03.48 | valdyn | craigevil: debians 64-bit gcj java plugin is pretty useless |
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| 23:04.16 | lfaraone | valdyn: hear hear! |
| 23:04.22 | craigevil | gcj is the icedtea-plugin in epx works Ok |
| 23:04.40 | lfaraone | craigevil: crashes my browser, but then again I run 'buntu on my laptop. |
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| 23:04.44 | craigevil | s/epx/exp |
| 23:04.54 | lfaraone | -> detached. |
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| 23:06.08 | valdyn | craigevil: neat, i didnt know that one, lets see |
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| 23:06.37 | craigevil | icedtea6-plugin |
| 23:06.45 | lfaraone | Is there a script to aid in the configuration of WPA wifi via a command line? |
| 23:06.50 | weasel089 | hi peeps |
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| 23:07.42 | weasel089 | i just want to know if theres a great performance difference between deb 32 and 64 bit for a normal user |
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| 23:07.55 | valdyn | weasel089: there isnt |
| 23:08.02 | lfaraone | weasel089: Do you want to use more than 3gb ram? |
| 23:08.15 | weasel089 | nope just 2gigs here |
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| 23:08.29 | valdyn | weasel089: 32 bit is most probably better for you then |
| 23:08.52 | valdyn | weasel089: and that "better" will show more the more you get close to having enough ram |
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| 23:09.00 | valdyn | weasel089: and that "better" will show more the more you get close to having barely enough ram |
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| 23:09.27 | weasel089 | ah ok ,but dual core is supportet full in 32 bit? |
| 23:09.33 | valdyn | weasel089: sure |
| 23:09.41 | weasel089 | ok then iam fine^^^^ |
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| 23:27.43 | Fleg | Hi All! How can I manualy run post-install procedure for some package? (I'm new to debian) |
| 23:27.57 | deco_ | i just installed debian 5 cd 1 and my sources.list is blank where can i get the info so i can paste it in? |
| 23:28.17 | dmoerner | Fleg, dpkg --configure package |
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| 23:29.43 | deco_ | any help :-) |
| 23:30.16 | themill | dpkg: tell deco_ about sources.list |
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| 23:30.23 | streuner | dpkg, sources.list |
| 23:30.23 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 23:30.46 | Fleg | dmoerner: thx. but it says it's allready configured. |
| 23:31.06 | deco_ | that still didn't help me |
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| 23:31.39 | bolt | "bolt 32187 0.1 0.1 24656 3012 pts/5 Sl+ Feb28 0:04 synergys --no-daemon" <-- why doesn't that process get killed by "killall synergys"? killall returns 0 and doesn't print anything |
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| 23:32.09 | themill | bolt: odd... killall synergys normally works for me |
| 23:32.42 | bolt | themill: yes, it usually does for me too, but it tends to lock up when i play youtube videos in opera for some weird reason |
| 23:32.42 | themill | bolt: although tbh sometimes it requires a couple of attempts... synergy like to let the clients know that it's shutting down |
| 23:32.52 | bolt | themill: and after being locked, killall wont kill it |
| 23:32.58 | bolt | themill: kill -9 does though |
| 23:33.04 | deco_ | omg thanks for the help guyz you are all so cool!!!!! |
| 23:33.13 | deco_ | big linux users oh my |
| 23:33.40 | deco_ | i get my help on the windows channel |
| 23:33.48 | themill | deco_: that's nice. |
| 23:33.50 | bolt | deco_: you go do that |
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| 23:34.42 | mib_mui0ud | hi |
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| 23:35.28 | mib_mui0ud | i've an error when i run pecl install -f svn |
| 23:35.41 | mib_mui0ud | running: make sh: make: command not found ERROR: `make' faile |
| 23:35.54 | themill | !b-e mib_mui0ud |
| 23:35.55 | dpkg | mib_mui0ud: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 23:36.07 | mib_mui0ud | :D |
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| 23:37.24 | bolt | themill: ah. killall has a -s9 :) |
| 23:37.42 | themill | bolt: rather dangerous, too |
| 23:37.44 | asdffdsa | killall init |
| 23:37.49 | asdffdsa | nods |
| 23:38.04 | bolt | themill: if i run anything else called synergy |
| 23:38.24 | themill | or if you fail at typing in some way |
| 23:39.01 | themill | -9 is somewhere beyong brutal anyway... it's always best not to go there |
| 23:39.17 | bolt | themill: then i've got noone to blame but myself. it's my desktop system anyway. noone else would be affecte |
| 23:39.19 | bolt | d |
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| 23:39.42 | Fleg | dmoerner: can't I run post-install on allready configured package? |
| 23:40.12 | themill | Fleg: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.postinst, but what are you trying to do... |
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| 23:40.37 | bolt | themill: i am wondering what to do with this though. i can reproducibly get synergys to lock up by watching a youtube video in opera while kompose is running. and it just locks up. even the most verbose debug mode doesn't mention anything, it just stops doing stuff. 0 cpu usage too. |
| 23:40.51 | bolt | themill: but that testcase is a bit too large |
| 23:40.52 | Fleg | themill: reconfigure noip2 package. |
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| 23:41.03 | Fleg | themill: thx btw. |
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| 23:41.22 | Enolas | Bonsoir |
| 23:41.31 | themill | bolt: quite. And since synergy is busy bitrotting, whatever investigation you do is unlikely to go very far anyway ;( |
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| 23:41.42 | Enolas | J'ai un problème sur Open VPN une personne pourrait m'aider ? :/ |
| 23:41.51 | themill | !fr |
| 23:41.52 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:42.12 | Enolas | oops sorry :o |
| 23:42.28 | Enolas | I've an issue with Open VPN |
| 23:42.45 | Enolas | I need help :o |
| 23:42.51 | bolt | themill: thinking of having the script that restarts synergy when it disconnects on the client use a keyless login to run kill with lspid to kill synergy on my main box when it's kicked out. |
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| 23:43.22 | person | Hello |
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| 23:43.27 | karmatronic | yo |
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| 23:43.39 | person | I'm just wondering why I can't find emerald in the repo. |
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| 23:45.30 | zykes- | anyone here know if nfs has some "max clients" limit or so on version 2 ? |
| 23:45.37 | asdf | i've made the jump from gentoo. i see the light. |
| 23:45.54 | bolt | !gentoosmite asdf |
| 23:45.54 | dpkg | spends 7 days recompiling asdf, and when it's all done, asdf runs 5% slower than previously |
| 23:46.00 | bolt | just to make sure you stay :) |
| 23:46.04 | person | I made the tiny little hop from Ubuntu and wondered what the point of using Ubuntu instead of debian was. |
| 23:46.28 | asdf | bolt: i apologize for not jumping ship 8 years ago |
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| 23:47.03 | asdf | bolt: i just upgraded to openoffice 3 in literally 2 minuntes + download time |
| 23:47.13 | asdf | i saved 12 hours |
| 23:47.22 | bolt | heh |
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| 23:47.36 | bolt | sounds like beer time |
| 23:47.52 | asdf | it's been vodka time for over an hour :D |
| 23:48.18 | themill | !beer bolt |
| 23:48.19 | dpkg | pours a litre of Yuengling Lager for bolt |
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| 23:49.26 | bolt | :D |
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| 23:51.59 | bahadunn | abrotman: ping |
| 23:52.16 | streuner | !seen abrotman |
| 23:52.17 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian-ops (4h 17m 1s) #debian (4h 17m 1s). Has said a total of 75 messages. Is idling for 51m 34s, last said: 'lfaraone: that's only cause they blew all their money on itanium :)'. |
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| 23:52.27 | celeritas | how can I kill a program started from shell script, which -refuses- to reveal its pid. I would rather not use killall, as it's 'ssh' |
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| 23:54.13 | mischief6 | celeritas, ever used htop? |
| 23:54.15 | rhodescus | celeritas: pstree -p |
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| 23:54.51 | celeritas | will that work in a script? sounds like manual intervention |
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| 23:55.14 | _Maru_ | hi, I was wonder what happens if I do adduser but not do passwd |
| 23:56.09 | rhodescus | celeritas: if you want to work with bash, the wait option, and kill %jobspec are useful tools |
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| 23:56.37 | pl4yer0ne | celeritas, check out $! |
| 23:56.56 | pl4yer0ne | that should have the PID of the last program run |
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| 23:57.44 | celeritas | pl4yer0ne: already done that |
| 23:57.46 | celeritas | ssh -fnNT -R 3000:localhost:3000 -R 3001:localhost:3001 -R 9000:localhost:9000 137.30.251.159 |
| 23:58.01 | celeritas | echo $! ... null string |
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| 23:58.59 | gabislabici | hello to all |
| 23:59.27 | jiontro | there is any one here awake? |
| 23:59.39 | jiontro | i have a little problem |
