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| 00:01.45 | myeggo | what can i use to cute a mp3? |
| 00:01.50 | myeggo | sound editor |
| 00:03.47 | giovani | my007ms: audacity? |
| 00:03.49 | giovani | myeggo: * |
| 00:03.51 | giovani | sorry |
| 00:04.47 | myeggo | audacity is not for recording? |
| 00:05.03 | giovani | yes it is |
| 00:05.16 | giovani | besides, you said "sound editor", which, is not recording -- but, audacity does both |
| 00:05.18 | chomwitt | i have lenny gnome. I started using seahorse but i see thag a gnone-keyring deamon is still running in every boot. How can i disable it? |
| 00:05.25 | myeggo | ah ok, i go try |
| 00:05.26 | myeggo | thanks |
| 00:05.28 | giovani | "Audacity® is free, open source software for recording and editing sounds." |
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| 00:10.08 | saLOUt | azeem: can i query you? |
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| 00:13.30 | myeggo | im looking for the lame library but in repos i only see libtwolame0 |
| 00:13.34 | azeem | saLOUt: no, there's no need to |
| 00:13.35 | myeggo | is it the same ? |
| 00:13.39 | azeem | myeggo: no |
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| 00:13.50 | myeggo | "toolame" then? |
| 00:13.51 | azeem | myeggo: the lame library is not distributable due to patent concerns |
| 00:13.52 | myeggo | aw |
| 00:13.59 | myeggo | ah |
| 00:14.05 | azeem | !lame |
| 00:14.05 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:14.22 | myeggo | fine, thanks |
| 00:16.50 | saLOUt | azeem: the virtual maschine has its own ip adress. so i think i have the permissions to open/close ports as i have root privileges onthe system |
| 00:17.31 | saLOUt | azeem: the wiki uses port 8080, because services using ports < 1024 need root rights |
| 00:17.33 | azeem | saLOUt: well ok, but what if another machine blocks the IP traffic? |
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| 00:17.51 | azeem | another machine between yours and the internet, like the uni router |
| 00:18.17 | saLOUt | azeem: i have no idea how to test it. |
| 00:18.20 | azeem | saLOUt: can you reach from the same maschine and network? |
| 00:18.27 | saLOUt | i tried the following: |
| 00:19.00 | saLOUt | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
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| 00:19.01 | saLOUt | iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 00:19.03 | saLOUt | iptables -A net_dnat -d **.**.**.**/32 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination **.**.**.**:8080 |
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| 00:19.18 | saLOUt | put it doesnt worked. |
| 00:19.48 | azeem | how did you setup your wiki to run on port 8080? |
| 00:19.48 | saLOUt | *but |
| 00:20.06 | saLOUt | its a standalone script using python |
| 00:20.13 | azeem | euh |
| 00:20.15 | saLOUt | on the last command i get iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 00:20.29 | azeem | saLOUt: why do you want to use iptables for this? |
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| 00:20.35 | azeem | is your wiki not running on port 8080? |
| 00:20.45 | saLOUt | i tried the wiki via lynx in ssh on 8080 and got something. |
| 00:20.52 | saLOUt | its running on 8080. |
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| 00:21.03 | azeem | so what's the iptables for? |
| 00:21.19 | saLOUt | the first two to open port 80. |
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| 00:21.39 | saLOUt | and the second two forward traffic from 80 to 8080, so the script doesnt need root rights |
| 00:21.40 | azeem | what for? |
| 00:21.44 | dkr | you don't need udp port 80 for web traffic |
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| 00:21.56 | saLOUt | ? |
| 00:22.06 | azeem | saLOUt: ok, so basically you've got a firewall problem? |
| 00:22.13 | saLOUt | i think so |
| 00:22.26 | dkr | or a virtual machine config problem |
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| 00:22.40 | azeem | 00:49 < saLOUt> i run a service on port 8080 (somethink like a webserver), but i cannot acces it from internet. What do i have to do? |
| 00:22.49 | azeem | that was all clear from your problem description |
| 00:23.15 | puff | How do I check to see what memory is compatible with this machine? |
| 00:23.24 | puff | It's got an old debian 3.1 install on it. |
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| 00:23.37 | saLOUt | puff: manufacturers sites |
| 00:23.46 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 00:23.46 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 00:23.49 | saLOUt | ... of the motherboard |
| 00:24.03 | puff | saLOUt: Ah, any way to get mb info other than cracking the case open? |
| 00:24.58 | rhodescus | !myram |
| 00:24.58 | dpkg | myram is probably install and run dmidecode -t memory as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info. |
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| 00:25.36 | azeem | puff: maybe dmidecode tells you something as well |
| 00:26.09 | saLOUt | azeem: so what do you think i should do to solve my prob? |
| 00:26.47 | azeem | saLOUt: dunno, fix your firewall or something |
| 00:26.58 | azeem | saLOUt: why don't you run your python script on port 80 if you got root? |
| 00:27.19 | azeem | and possibly drop privs after bind() |
| 00:27.38 | saLOUt | it doesnt allow it (stops automatically). i know. this is stupid. but i dont want to change the code.. |
| 00:28.11 | saLOUt | azeem: do you think it would be good to install ipmasq? could it help me? |
| 00:28.19 | azeem | I don't know |
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| 00:29.36 | puff | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.39 | saLOUt | azeem: i read that port are open by default when a service is listening on it. so theoretically the port 8080 should be working? |
| 00:29.49 | azeem | yes |
| 00:29.53 | puff | saLOUt: That's true. |
| 00:30.01 | saLOUt | puff: just open the case ;) |
| 00:30.14 | puff | saLOUt: Unless you're running something like CentOS, which has some sorta built-in security manager. |
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| 00:30.30 | myeggo | audacity was exactly what i needed, thank you again |
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| 00:32.54 | saLOUt | how can i see all existing groups? |
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| 00:33.43 | abrotman | getent group |
| 00:33.43 | DigitalSith | Is it possible for me to upgrade my lenny kernel to 2.6.28 from sid |
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| 00:33.53 | abrotman | DigitalSith: try it, see what happens |
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| 00:35.52 | saLOUt | its working |
| 00:36.03 | saLOUt | thanks to all that helped |
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| 00:41.51 | person2 | I know testing is recommended for desktops generally, but is this the case with Squeeze? How stable will it be compared with Ubuntu? |
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| 00:42.46 | gravity | person2: Squeeze as in testing? Or Squeeze as in the one day to be released as stable? |
| 00:42.51 | abrotman | person2: we have no idea, hasn't been released yet |
| 00:43.05 | person2 | Oh right |
| 00:43.09 | gravity | I find testing today to be quite good. No complaints. |
| 00:43.26 | epsilon | yea testing it very stable ATM |
| 00:43.45 | person2 | Good good |
| 00:43.54 | abrotman | but things do still break .. we don't want to give you the impression that you'll never have an issue |
| 00:44.05 | person2 | Righty-ho |
| 00:44.19 | person2 | Well, I think I'll leave it till later then |
| 00:44.43 | person2 | Cheers |
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| 00:53.42 | rdz | what could be the reasons, that copying from internal hdd to external usb hdd is only 18.1MB/s? i thought, usb2.0 should support up to 480Mbit/s |
| 00:54.34 | rdz | when copying from the internal hdd to /dev/null, the achieved speed is 61MB/s |
| 00:54.41 | avu | rdz, so? |
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| 00:55.15 | rdz | avu, i guess, that writing to the usb drive should be faster than 18MB/s as well, shouldn't it? |
| 00:55.15 | avu | rdz, the theoretical speed of the Bus used has nothing to do with the actual speed of a device using the Bus. it's just the limit of that. |
| 00:55.41 | rdz | avu, yo. that is why i am asking. what are the limiting conditions? |
| 00:55.58 | avu | mostly the external drive and its controler |
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| 00:57.03 | rdz | avu, i made a write speed test with the currently external drive, but when testing it was the internal one. i could write to it with 60MB/s, so i guess it is the controller.. |
| 00:57.06 | avu | also, the protocol used of course induces some overhead. |
| 00:57.32 | rdz | avu, do you think, it is a bad controler on my mainboard or is it rather abad controler in case of the external drive? |
| 00:57.51 | avu | rdz, not sure if anything is that "bad" really |
| 00:58.03 | rdz | avu, but should the overhead around three times bigger than the useful data? |
| 00:58.11 | rdz | *be |
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| 00:58.40 | avu | I don't know the details of how this usb-storage stuff is implemented |
| 00:59.14 | avu | but since USB itself is a simple and dumb serial Bus, the overhead will not be small of course |
| 00:59.15 | rdz | avu, yo.. nevermind.. i just wondered.. probably my expectations are completely off |
| 00:59.29 | turtle_ | how do I tell the version of my OS? |
| 00:59.32 | avu | and no Bus really reaches its theoretical maximum speed under any conditions usually .) |
| 00:59.42 | avu | turtle_, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:59.44 | rdz | avu, i see |
| 00:59.48 | turtle_ | thank you |
| 01:00.26 | turtle_ | lenny/sid |
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| 01:00.41 | turtle_ | is that 64 bit? |
| 01:00.51 | avu | rdz, well, it might be that you can get a bit more out of the Bus, even using usb-storage. try other devices. or reading instead of writing. |
| 01:01.01 | turtle_ | avu, is lenny/sid 64 bit software? |
| 01:01.06 | avu | turtle_, first thing, this is *quite* old |
| 01:01.15 | abrotman | turtle_: that depends which version you installed |
| 01:01.48 | avu | turtle_, and both lenny and sid are available for numerous architectures |
| 01:01.49 | turtle_ | well, it is really ubuntu |
| 01:01.49 | avu | turtle_, including several 64bit ones |
| 01:01.49 | avu | turtle_, good bye |
| 01:01.49 | turtle_ | what command tells architecture? |
| 01:01.49 | avu | turtle_, you#re wrong here |
| 01:01.53 | avu | turtle_, go to #ubuntu |
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| 01:01.58 | turtle_ | ok |
| 01:02.12 | rdz | avu, yeah..i should have tried it the other way around.. but nevermind, i go to bed anyway.. so i don't care, if takes two more hours.. but thanks for your hints |
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| 01:06.16 | Wyzard | rdz: USB has a lot of overhead, I believe |
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| 01:06.57 | Wyzard | rdz: It's driven entirely by the host (the PC in this case) polling each device on the bus |
| 01:07.07 | Wyzard | rdz: Devices can only send a packet when prompted to do so by the host |
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| 01:13.38 | Mox` | Hi, when I try wget on my box it returns "bash: /usr/bin/wget: Input/output error" how to fix this? |
| 01:13.57 | CoolCold | are anyone good in debian packaging? |
| 01:14.21 | gravity | CoolCold: Just ask your question. If someone can answer, they will |
| 01:14.42 | CoolCold | trying to understand what 'native debian package' is |
| 01:15.17 | gravity | CoolCold: It's meant to be a package that doesn't have an upstream. It's made for debian specifically. As a result, there's no .orig.tar.gz or .diff.gz |
| 01:15.18 | CoolCold | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -sd -rfakeroot <- don't wanna create diff |
| 01:15.53 | CoolCold | well...and how it's checked it doesn't have upstream? |
| 01:16.29 | Wyzard | Mox`: That sounds like there was a problem reading the wget program or one of its shared libraries from disk, which could be an indication of a corrupted filesystem and/or failing disk |
| 01:16.38 | abrotman | Mox`: what's the full command ? |
| 01:16.41 | Wyzard | Mox`: Check dmesg for I/O error messages |
| 01:17.07 | gravity | CoolCold: If there's an appropriate .orig.tar.gz in the parent directory, then a .diff.gz gets made. Also, if the version number has a -packageversion piece at the end, it's considered by the build script to be a non-native package. |
| 01:17.12 | Mox` | Wyzard, ye i'm looking at the dmesg now :) |
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| 01:19.28 | CoolCold | gravity: hmm... |
| 01:19.47 | CoolCold | gravity: may i go private? |
| 01:19.54 | gravity | CoolCold: Please don't |
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| 01:20.01 | CoolCold | okay.. |
| 01:20.05 | Mox` | Wyzard, http://paste-it.net/public/f2ff0ec/ |
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| 01:21.31 | abrotman | Mox`: backup your data |
| 01:21.42 | CoolCold | gravity: take a look plz |
| 01:21.43 | CoolCold | http://pastebin.com/m222d357d |
| 01:21.44 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's an ATAPI device, most likely a CD/DVD drive |
| 01:21.48 | jpinx | heh - you were right |
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| 01:22.10 | Mox` | abrotman there's no data on the harddrive |
| 01:22.19 | Wyzard | Mox`: That's a physical read error, likely a bad burn if it's coming from an optical disc |
| 01:22.20 | Mox` | abrotman, trying to install :) |
| 01:22.26 | abrotman | Mox`: oh, a CD ? |
| 01:22.30 | Mox` | abrotman, ye |
| 01:22.31 | Wyzard | Mox`: or possibly (less likely) a defective CD/DVD drive |
| 01:22.41 | Mox` | Wyzard, I think it's the drive |
| 01:22.57 | Mox` | I'll just try with another drive :) |
| 01:23.31 | gravity | CoolCold: mv ../buildbot-0.7.10.orig.tar.gz ../buildbot_0.7.10.orig.tar.gz |
| 01:23.41 | gravity | CoolCold: That stupid underscore gets me every time |
| 01:24.02 | gravity | CoolCold: Oh, and you can presumably remove that .tar.gz it built |
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| 01:25.17 | simNIX | Is there a way to tweak debian's memory use ? According to gkrellm I have 725Mb RAM free, still 1G of swap is used ? (yes its heavy loaded desktop) |
| 01:25.44 | simNIX | Id rather have my Lenny use all RAM and only then start on swap |
| 01:26.08 | Wyzard | simNIX: Does gkrellm count buffers/cache as "free" RAM? |
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| 01:26.32 | CoolCold | gravity: 10x, i'll try it |
| 01:26.38 | jpinx | simNIX: there's an editable value for Wswappiness" somewhere |
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| 01:26.46 | Wyzard | simNIX: If so, your kernel has probably swapped out unused code/data to make room for disk cache |
| 01:27.09 | Wyzard | simNIX: That's not a bad thing, if you have a few processes doing lots of disk I/O |
| 01:27.33 | simNIX | vmware does |
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| 01:27.52 | simNIX | free -m shows on buffers line free 684 |
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| 01:28.08 | Wyzard | How about on the Mem: line? |
| 01:28.27 | CoolCold | gravity: works :) |
| 01:28.34 | CoolCold | gravity: now another question |
| 01:29.01 | simNIX | Wyzard, all used and 684 cached |
| 01:29.02 | CoolCold | while i was playing with buildbot packaging, upstream created buildbot 0.7.10p1 (patch1 i guess) |
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| 01:29.19 | Wyzard | simNIX: so you have about 684MB of buffers/cache? |
| 01:29.21 | t3rm1n4l | hi |
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| 01:29.42 | t3rm1n4l | i hav a project idea for google summer of code |
| 01:29.44 | CoolCold | should i create 0.7.10-2.1 or 0.7.10-1.3 ? |
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| 01:30.12 | t3rm1n4l | figerprint-based file protection |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | !soc |
| 01:30.20 | dpkg | it has been said that soc is Google Summer of Code is a summer mentoring program created by Google, see http://code.google.com/soc and http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2008 or try #debian-soc on irc.debian.org |
| 01:30.21 | t3rm1n4l | is here any similar projects already done ? |
| 01:30.26 | gravity | CoolCold: This is just a local package for your own use? |
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| 01:30.30 | simNIX | Wyzard, Yes, so thats what gkrellm shows as free - aha - Im thinking about adding another Gb of RAm, but this gkrell output made wonder if it would be utilized |
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| 01:30.36 | t3rm1n4l | thanks |
| 01:30.42 | gravity | CoolCold: Not for the main Debian archive? |
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| 01:31.01 | CoolCold | gravity: not really, i'm intended to add it for buildbot page, since there is not newest buildbot for etch |
| 01:31.15 | CoolCold | gravity: no, it won't goto debian, debian has own maintainer |
| 01:31.24 | Wyzard | t3rm1n4l: "apt-cache search fingerprint" turns up a few packages |
| 01:31.51 | gravity | CoolCold: Ok, well, should probably call it 0.7.10p1-0.1, but you can also call it 0.7.10-1.3. Don't use -2.1. |
| 01:31.53 | CoolCold | gravity: i'm just creating backport |
| 01:31.53 | Wyzard | t3rm1n4l: In particular there's software for a fingerprint reader found in some laptops |
| 01:32.45 | CoolCold | gravity: and why not -2.1 ? |
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| 01:33.11 | t3rm1n4l | but there is no fileprotection apps with fingerprint |
| 01:33.36 | gravity | CoolCold: Because the number before the decimal is for the Debian package version uploaded by the maintainer. The second decimal is actually for NMU's. |
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| 01:34.48 | CoolCold | gravity: okay, thanks a lot |
| 01:35.13 | gravity | CoolCold: No problem. Good luck. |
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| 01:35.32 | CoolCold | i'll need it |
| 01:35.57 | CoolCold | all this packaging stuff makes me mad.. |
| 01:36.03 | Mox` | Wyzard, it was the cdrom drive :S |
| 01:36.17 | Wyzard | t3rm1n4l: Well, there are some limitations with that idea that may make it less useful than you think (though it's not clear exactly what you have in mind) |
| 01:36.37 | gravity | CoolCold: It takes some practice |
| 01:37.22 | CoolCold | makefiles, debian/rules and cdbs are the hell ;) |
| 01:38.06 | gravity | CoolCold: I avoid cdbs like the plague. |
| 01:38.15 | gravity | CoolCold: makefiles and debhelper are quite sane though |
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| 01:43.47 | DigitalSith | abrotman it worked |
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| 01:43.55 | abrotman | yay |
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| 01:44.10 | DigitalSith | yeah it I am stoked |
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| 01:46.07 | CoolCold | gravity: really? |
| 01:46.33 | CoolCold | In summary, we believe CDBS (typically combined with Debhelper) is the future of Debian packaging. By reducing the complexity in each package, we make sweeping changes much easier. |
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| 01:46.45 | CoolCold | that is from docs i begun reading.. |
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| 01:47.33 | CoolCold | since i'm not programmer and autotools is smth from another galaxy for me, i don't see much difference betweet cdbs and debhelper ;) |
| 01:47.45 | gravity | CoolCold: There's strong opinions on both sides of the cdbs debate within Debian |
| 01:48.39 | CoolCold | gravity: that's a pity.. |
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| 01:48.49 | CoolCold | i'd like debian be solid |
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| 01:48.55 | dmoerner | debhelper 7 makes it even more of a debate |
| 01:49.36 | gravity | I haven't looked at debhelper 7 in detail yet, although I still trust its philosophy far more than cdbs's |
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| 01:57.07 | foetus | log out |
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| 02:02.47 | popcornPanic | hi i have an old iMac G3 ..would debian run well on it? |
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| 02:03.26 | abrotman | define well |
| 02:03.34 | abrotman | and how much RAM? |
| 02:04.06 | popcornPanic | abrotman: right now it only has 64MB but i am going to add more making it 256 later |
| 02:04.22 | abrotman | and what do you want to do with it ? |
| 02:04.39 | popcornPanic | abrotman: install debian-ppc. just get it running again |
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| 02:05.16 | abrotman | it should run fine .. KDE/Gnome might be a little slow on it .. but i'm sure you can find a WM that will work for you |
| 02:05.27 | dmoerner | popcornPanic, I have an imac g3 with 256mb that runs Debian Sid. however, i only ssh into it when i want to fail at porting, so i don't know how well x runs on it |
| 02:05.41 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:05.59 | popcornPanic | abrotman: yes i figured i would have to go with a lighter weight WM |
| 02:06.08 | popcornPanic | but thanks for the hope |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | i've heard of worse plans :) |
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| 02:07.00 | simonrvn | dmoerner: would run well, 3d would work, maybe, but slow, since they have like 8-16 MB VRAM depending model. |
| 02:07.18 | popcornPanic | it has ATI 128 |
| 02:07.20 | simonrvn | *on model |
| 02:08.37 | simonrvn | now can someone tell me WTF my NFS stopped working? :) |
| 02:09.00 | furrywolf | not likely. :) |
| 02:10.08 | simonrvn | no kernel change, maybe software change, no change on server. |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | simonrvn: if i tell you "that's NFS for you" ... that's unhelpful right ? |
| 02:11.46 | simonrvn | was upgraded ven, nov 7 2008 19:50:48 -0500 |
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| 02:12.03 | simonrvn | and i changed the kernel once, since. |
| 02:12.16 | simonrvn | abrotman: not helpful, but obvious ;). |
| 02:12.29 | maher | how do i get firefox to stop calling the partial downloads foo.part? |
| 02:13.02 | abrotman | maher: let them finish downloading |
| 02:13.29 | maher | abrotman: ho ho ho |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | i wasn't kidding |
| 02:14.16 | maher | abrotman: i don't wan't foo and foo.part, i just want foo - even it isn't finished downloading |
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| 02:16.07 | maher | hardlinks foo to foo.part |
| 02:16.22 | stoned | I have added a service to inetd conf how do I start it |
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| 02:16.57 | Dougy | Hey. |
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| 02:17.04 | maher | stoned: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inet (re)start |
| 02:17.05 | Dougy | Looking for a PCI-e raid card (RAID 10) |
| 02:17.12 | Dougy | any recommended ones ? |
| 02:17.17 | Dougy | that debian supports |
| 02:17.19 | stoned | no not that |
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| 02:17.47 | stoned | wait yes taht |
| 02:18.08 | maher | stoned: or maybe just reload |
| 02:18.24 | stoned | no I'm having brainfarts |
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| 02:18.47 | dvs | stoned: again? ;-) |
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| 02:22.08 | abrotman | that's okay .. i just tried to use 'unsync' to umount a usb device ... |
| 02:23.05 | zinx | ufsck'd |
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| 02:30.55 | oraci | i have problem... install pptpd to create a VPN ... install the server in a central office ... and branches away from the plant via the Internet can connect seamlessly to the server pptpd ... but I can not access the internal network that is in the central ... The VPN server has 2 network cards ... |
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| 02:33.36 | Gigantic | Hi there, is there some way to throttle the whole of my bandwith? |
| 02:34.13 | abrotman | !wondershaper |
| 02:34.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 02:34.20 | Gigantic | I was to test how would a certain application I have behave with 400mbps instead of the 1.5 M I have |
| 02:34.28 | maxagaz | how to increase the size of a lvm partition ? |
| 02:34.37 | Gigantic | !hug abrotman |
| 02:34.37 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around abrotman |
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| 02:34.57 | Mox` | how do I see which hardware monitor I have? |
| 02:35.08 | abrotman | you mean your display? |
| 02:35.18 | Wyzard | maxagaz: man lvextend |
| 02:35.33 | Mox` | abrotman hmm no, temperature and stuff |
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| 02:35.57 | maxagaz | Wyzard, do i need to extend first my /dev/sda2 before extending the lvm that's on it ? |
| 02:36.22 | Wyzard | maxagaz: oh, you're talking about changing the size of a plain partition that you're using as a PV? |
| 02:36.57 | Wyzard | maxagaz: Resize the partition (delete and recreate it with the same starting location, but a later ending location), then use pvresize |
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| 02:37.29 | maxagaz | Wyzard, i don't really know... it's a partition on a VMWare disk |
| 02:37.31 | Wyzard | maxagaz: You could also just create another partition and add that as another PV |
| 02:37.50 | Wyzard | maxagaz: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:38.09 | maxagaz | Wyzard, i first increased the size in vmware, fdisk recognize the increased size |
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| 02:38.26 | abrotman | wait .. isn't that kind of the point of lvm ? |
| 02:38.28 | Wyzard | OK, so now you have unpartitioned space at the end of the disk |
| 02:38.37 | maxagaz | Wyzard, but now i need to increase the size of the lvm partition that's on it |
| 02:39.07 | Wyzard | and immediately preceding that unpartitioned space is a partition that's being used as an LVM physical volume? |
| 02:39.29 | maxagaz | Wyzard, yes, i have unpartitioned space at the end of the disk |
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| 02:39.43 | maxagaz | Wyzard, yes |
| 02:40.03 | Wyzard | maxagaz: You can extend the partition into the newly-available space using fdisk |
| 02:40.21 | Wyzard | delete the partition, then recreate it in the same slot with the new size |
| 02:40.31 | maxagaz | Wyzard, that won't destroy the datas on my partition, right ? |
| 02:40.34 | Wyzard | It's essential that the starting sector be the same |
| 02:40.44 | Wyzard | Deleting a partition in fdisk doesn't erase its contents |
| 02:41.01 | Wyzard | The partition table just lists starting and ending locations |
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| 02:42.08 | Wyzard | If you change the starting location, you effectively "shift" the partition's contents, which will make most things fail to understand the contents of the partition (though technically no data is lost) |
| 02:42.18 | Wyzard | but if you keep the same starting location and just change the end so that the size is larger, that's fine |
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| 02:42.55 | Wyzard | Then reboot to make the kernel recognize the new partition table, then use pvresize to update the LVM metadata to recognize the new size of the PV |
| 02:43.16 | Wyzard | Since you're using VMware, it'd be a good idea to take a snapshot first, in case you make a mistake |
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| 02:44.03 | Wyzard | You could also just create a new partition in that space at the end of your drive, run pvcreate on it, and add it to your VG |
| 02:44.33 | maxagaz | interesting |
| 02:44.48 | Wyzard | That'd be a little less "clean" (having two PV partitions on the same disk) but is a little safer and should still work fine |
| 02:45.18 | maxagaz | i'll try the 1st solution |
| 02:45.51 | Wyzard | As long as you take a snapshot first and don't delete it until you've finished and verified the result, you should be fine |
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| 02:46.23 | maxagaz | Wyzard, what does the + means at the line /dev/sda1 : |
| 02:46.24 | maxagaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.24 | maxagaz | /dev/sda1 * 1 30 240943+ 83 Linux |
| 02:46.24 | maxagaz | /dev/sda2 31 3916 31214295 8e Linux LVM |
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| 02:47.08 | Wyzard | maxagaz: I *think* that means the partition doesn't end on a cylinder boundary, but I'm not sure |
| 02:47.31 | maxagaz | Wyzard, that's what i was thinking too |
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| 02:49.14 | TMM | gha! my 'debtakeover' procedure for centos5 is nearing perfection :D |
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| 02:51.01 | abrotman | you've tried more than once? |
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| 02:51.38 | TMM | yeah, vm :) perfecting the procedure before I try it for real on a server that I don't have physical access to :) |
| 02:51.43 | gravity | heh |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | bah .. jump in with all three feet ... |
| 02:52.14 | TMM | the first try was ... somewhat less than stellar |
| 02:52.26 | CoolCold | gravity: i have my own repo, created with reprepro |
| 02:52.36 | abrotman | TMM: are you documenting this for others? |
| 02:52.48 | CoolCold | and i wanna priority to be set to 1, like backports.org packages have |
| 02:52.52 | abrotman | and you are installing lenny right ? |
| 02:53.06 | CoolCold | can't figure out what should i do to achieve this |
| 02:53.10 | TMM | abrotman: yes. The current BROKEN!!!!! instructions are here : https://wiki.tmm.cx/index.php/Installing_Debian_on_a_system_from_another_distro !!! BROKEN !!! |
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| 02:53.32 | abrotman | TMM: looks good .. i'll start on your server immediately |
| 02:53.35 | CoolCold | still has 500 for my repo :( |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | CoolCold: you want pinning ? |
| 02:53.58 | TMM | abrotman: hahaha :) |
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| 02:54.17 | TMM | abrotman: just wanted to make sure you weren't thinking 'wow, let's try this... NOW' :) |
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| 02:54.38 | abrotman | TMM: i wouldn't start with a centos machine :) |
| 02:54.49 | CoolCold | abrotman: i wanna make like backports do - until you do apt-get install <package> -t etch-backports - it won't be installed from backports |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | !version compare |
| 02:55.23 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 02:55.48 | TMM | abrotman: that's a nice theory, but my hosting provider will only give me the server I want with CentOS on it. And Debtakeover hasn't been updated in around 5 years, so I had to invent something myself |
| 02:56.01 | CoolCold | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m454613e6 |
| 02:56.09 | CoolCold | backports have priority 1 |
| 02:56.37 | CoolCold | and i can't figure out by which means |
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| 02:56.53 | maxagaz | Wyzard, i deleted and created a new partition, but when i print it, in the column "System", it now prints Linux instead of Linux LVM |
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| 02:57.36 | Wyzard | maxagaz: Change the partition's type to 8e |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | CoolCold: pinning ? |
| 02:57.44 | CoolCold | maxagaz: change partition type? |
| 02:57.53 | abrotman | TMM: debootstrap is the right tool here |
| 02:57.56 | CoolCold | abrotman: yes, pinning but not handmade |
| 02:58.19 | TMM | abrotman: yes, but without physical access 'just' debootstrap doesn't cut it |
| 02:58.22 | abrotman | CoolCold: what's the output of apt-cache policy ? |
| 02:58.30 | CoolCold | abrotman: i guess u r talking about /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 02:58.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:58.41 | TMM | abrotman: read through that wikipage, that is generally correct, at least in principal |
| 02:58.48 | abrotman | TMM: i read it .. looks useful enough |
| 02:59.12 | maxagaz | Wyzard, CoolCold, thanks |
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| 02:59.30 | CoolCold | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m459ac0f6 |
| 02:59.39 | CoolCold | pinned is empty |
| 02:59.42 | TMM | abrotman: it's a bit more streamlined now though, no mknod stuff for instance |
| 02:59.52 | abrotman | CoolCold: and your preferences file ? |
| 03:00.03 | CoolCold | it doesn't exists |
| 03:00.08 | CoolCold | and never existed |
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| 03:02.58 | Kensey | So let's see how dist-upgrading from sarge to lenny goes. |
| 03:03.10 | abrotman | CoolCold: i've never noticed this field before .. but there is a "NotAutomatic" field in the Release file |
| 03:03.12 | CoolCold | bb kensey :) |
| 03:03.14 | abrotman | !pal Kensey |
| 03:03.14 | dpkg | points at Kensey and laughs uproariously |
| 03:03.23 | abrotman | Kensey: you should go through etch first |
| 03:03.41 | CoolCold | or train in vmware.. |
| 03:03.49 | Kensey | oh yeah? |
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| 03:04.19 | Kensey | I remember the disaster my hamm/slink -> potato upgrade turned into |
| 03:04.28 | abrotman | Kensey: yes, go through etch first |
| 03:04.29 | TMM | Kensey: well, it CAN be done, but it's not a pleasant experience |
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| 03:04.51 | [QU]RogeR | I'm getting this error when trying to boot "Error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure" |
| 03:04.54 | TMM | hell, you can 'sidegrade' to other debian derivatives with enough patience and perseverance :) |
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| 03:05.22 | TMM | I did that once for shit and giggles, debian > ubuntu > mephis > debian |
| 03:05.24 | Kensey | etch is what, oldstable? |
| 03:06.19 | CoolCold | abrotman: oh yeaah |
| 03:06.25 | CoolCold | notautomatic saves me |
| 03:06.32 | maxagaz | Wyzard, it worked great, thanks a lot |
| 03:06.33 | abrotman | CoolCold: is that the trigger? |
| 03:06.44 | [QU]RogeR | just wish this box wasn't remote.. :( |
| 03:06.50 | CoolCold | abrotman: yeah, really |
| 03:06.58 | abrotman | shows what i know .. |
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| 03:08.38 | CoolCold | abrotman: if u run Etch, can you plz add 'deb http://repo.coolcold.org etch-coolcold main' into /etc/apt/sources.list , do apt-get update and sho me apt-get policy ? |
| 03:08.46 | CoolCold | or someone other.. |
| 03:08.50 | abrotman | not a chance in hell :) |
| 03:09.18 | abrotman | as in .. not an etch box here |
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| 03:13.20 | superjoe | so I'm using the squeeze repository, and something I just updated a day or two ago causes xul-runner / gecko rendering engine to have repainting glitches |
| 03:13.25 | superjoe | anybody have more info on this? |
| 03:13.27 | karsten | TMM: The phrase you;'re looking for is "shins'n'grits" |
| 03:13.53 | cafuego | superjoe: Does the problem go away if you downgrade that "something" ? |
| 03:14.12 | superjoe | cafuego: I haven't tried |
| 03:14.57 | pl4yer0ne | I am having crazy problems with gksu and some apps. Anyone seen that lately? |
| 03:14.59 | superjoe | hmm, and it's only on my laptop. strange. |
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| 03:15.53 | pl4yer0ne | if you start an app that uses gksu auth, it errors out that there was an error loading or saving config info for <app> |
| 03:15.59 | abrotman | pl4yer0ne: bts ? |
| 03:16.51 | pl4yer0ne | it seems to be some simple thing that i dont know where is |
| 03:17.13 | pl4yer0ne | I have a feeling abrotman that it will be unrepro |
| 03:17.42 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:17.42 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 03:17.47 | Gigantic | pl4yer0ne: what probs? like not accepting passwds or womthing? |
| 03:18.11 | pl4yer0ne | Gigantic, see above for an example |
| 03:18.42 | Gigantic | cause that reminds me of something... |
| 03:18.51 | Gigantic | oh, didnt saw that line... |
| 03:21.53 | Gigantic | on a related note... whouldn't the sudo file default targetpw ? |
| 03:22.24 | samzor | Does the default Lenny kernel work with LVM (eg: have dm_mod loaded in the kernel). I installed / /home /var /tmp during the install onto lvm and then updated my menu.lst file, when I select debian it start loading the kernel etc but stops saying it cant fiind my lvm group, any suggestions? |
| 03:22.25 | Gigantic | I remember there was a discussion with a security problem with kdesu and it was solved that way |
| 03:22.32 | Gigantic | in other distro |
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| 03:27.55 | n-iCe | Any copy copy disc software, there is one called like copy9 or something like that, does anyone remember the name? |
| 03:28.09 | smacnay | Is there a debian-multimedia channel? |
| 03:29.06 | TMM | abrotman: ha! worked the first go this time :) can still be prettier, I should save the old mtab so the shutdown process will cleanly unmount all filesystems |
| 03:29.09 | samzor | k9copy http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23885&forumpage=18&PHPSESSID=ca03e058b90 |
| 03:29.30 | TMM | abrotman: http://paste2.org/p/157907 :D |
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| 03:30.39 | maxagaz | When I do "aptitude upgrade", i get the message "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.". Why 7 packages can't be upgraded ? |
| 03:31.13 | abrotman | TMM: i like the four sync commands :) |
| 03:31.23 | smacnay | Is see that a lot of the libavcodev52 and libavutil49 type packages are broken or not current enough for the latest updates in "testing". Is this a temporary thing. |
| 03:31.30 | TMM | abrotman: it's for good luck ;) |
| 03:31.52 | Kensey | well, we're committed now -- it preconfigured a bunch of stuff and it's installing etch packages now |
| 03:31.52 | smacnay | maxagaz, if you type 'aptitude -s dist-upgrade' you will which packages are not being upgraded without commiting to upgrading. |
| 03:32.36 | Kensey | one thing I want to do is switch from the custom kernel I have to a stock kernel package, that could be interesting |
| 03:32.43 | TMM | ok, one last try to get it without fsck after the reboot |
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| 03:33.14 | maxagaz | smacnay, what do you mean ? |
| 03:33.58 | smacnay | maxagaz, a dist-upgrade is different than an upgrade. Typing 'aptitude -s blah blah" simulates the action but doesn't perform it. |
| 03:34.42 | maxagaz | what's the difference between upgrade abd dist-upgrade ? |
| 03:34.52 | smacnay | maxagaz, so 'aptitude -s dist-upgrade' will simulate an upgrade without actually upgrading the 7 packages that don't get upgraded with just 'aptitude upgrade'. |
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| 03:36.20 | smacnay | maxagaz, dist-upgrade may be depreceated actually -- maybe "full-upgrade" is now the term. |
| 03:36.39 | abrotman | they both work in lenny for now |
| 03:37.14 | superjoe | dist-upgrade is deprecated? |
| 03:37.21 | abrotman | the term .. |
| 03:37.23 | TMM | I never got used to typing 'aptitude' instead of 'apt-get' I guess I've been using debian and debian-like osses for too long |
| 03:37.32 | smacnay | superjoe, I just didn't see it in the aptitude man page |
| 03:37.41 | abrotman | they renamed 'upgrade' to 'safe-upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' to 'full-upgrade' |
| 03:37.51 | TMM | what?! |
| 03:38.02 | TMM | they RENAMED 'upgrade'? |
| 03:38.06 | abrotman | !full-upgrade |
| 03:38.06 | dpkg | i heard full-upgrade is the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from Lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade><apt-listchanges> |
| 03:38.11 | Dougy | What |
| 03:38.12 | Dougy | the hell |
| 03:38.16 | TMM | my lord... |
| 03:38.19 | superjoe | abrotman: it's still dist-upgrade on my box |
| 03:38.23 | TMM | I'm never going to learn that... :) |
| 03:38.28 | abrotman | superjoe: is your box lenny? |
| 03:38.33 | superjoe | squeeze |
| 03:38.34 | abrotman | and i think i said they both still work |
| 03:38.41 | abrotman | yeah .. and it still works there too |
| 03:38.46 | abrotman | doesn't see why this is hard to grasp |
| 03:38.51 | smacnay | superjoe, still works here too... just the reference in the man page is gone |
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| 03:39.07 | TMM | abrotman: finger memory of years and years typing 'apt-get update' 'apt-get upgrade' :) |
| 03:39.10 | Gigantic | truth is ungraspable |
| 03:39.16 | superjoe | E: Invalid operation full-upgrade |
| 03:39.25 | maxagaz | so, i should use "aptitude full-upgrade" instead of "aptitude dist-upgrade" or |
| 03:39.28 | abrotman | superjoe: dpkg -l aptitude |
| 03:39.30 | superjoe | that's what I was saying |
| 03:39.34 | maxagaz | "aptitude upgrade" |
| 03:39.36 | abrotman | TMM: yeah .. still better than dselect! |
| 03:39.38 | maxagaz | right? |
| 03:39.43 | superjoe | oh, should I not be using apt-get |
| 03:39.52 | abrotman | superjoe: that's one part of it |
| 03:39.58 | TMM | abrotman: everything's better than dselect... especially when it wasn't just a fancy frontend for apt ... :) |
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| 03:40.51 | superjoe | aha |
| 03:41.13 | gaintsura | how do I install/mark a package for install in aptitude? |
| 03:41.25 | Gigantic | rightclick da checkmark |
| 03:42.02 | gaintsura | aptitude textmode.. sorry |
| 03:43.03 | superjoe | abrotman: would uninstalling apt in order to remember to only use aptitude be a good idea? |
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| 03:43.10 | abrotman | probably not |
| 03:43.27 | TMM | debian without apt... |
| 03:43.30 | TMM | that's just not debian |
| 03:43.32 | stew | aptitude depends on apt |
| 03:43.32 | pl4yer0ne | This is weird it only seems to be firestarter and terminator. everything else is ok. |
| 03:43.44 | superjoe | aha |
| 03:43.46 | Gigantic | lol |
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| 03:44.59 | maher | i have a mac mini remote that shows up as /dev/usb/hiddev0 - what is the right way to get this to control the sound volume? |
| 03:46.53 | salvin | maher, can you code in c? |
| 03:47.09 | superjoe | ha |
| 03:47.15 | Gigantic | lols |
| 03:47.32 | maher | salvin: if i have to |
| 03:47.55 | Gigantic | that sounds a lil of pain loving |
| 03:48.23 | abrotman | maher: isn't that one of your USB input devices? |
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| 03:49.00 | Gigantic | lsmod | grep sound |
| 03:49.15 | Kensey | maher: see here -- http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro#head-24c2cb4a37b165a371293cbb68e1e5877c1047fc (under "AppleIR") |
| 03:49.49 | gaintsura | <- dumbass |
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| 03:49.55 | salvin | maher, you can read from the device and change the volume with alsa |
| 03:50.03 | salvin | it's easy |
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| 03:50.50 | Kensey | if it's a HID, it may just send key events |
| 03:52.14 | salvin | Kensey, lirc is for dummies :) |
| 03:52.32 | superjoe | I removed one of my cd rom drives but linux still sees 2. is there a way to re-scan for hardware? |
| 03:53.15 | Kensey | if it sees two drives, two drives are there or something *very* odd is going on with your hardware |
| 03:53.31 | Kensey | when you say it "sees" them, where are you looking? |
| 03:53.41 | superjoe | um, nautilus |
| 03:53.52 | Kensey | hmmmmm |
| 03:54.03 | n-iCe | Any copy copy disc software, there is one called like copy9 or something like that, does anyone remember the name? |
| 03:54.08 | superjoe | maybe I had it set up as master-slave instead of cable select |
| 03:54.28 | TMM | abrotman: ha! no more errors! |
| 03:54.29 | maher | hrmm.... irw isn't talking to lircd |
| 03:54.32 | Kensey | even so, if one drive is physically gone, you shouldn't see it |
| 03:54.33 | TMM | abrotman: smooth as a baby's bottom |
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| 03:54.56 | superjoe | n-iCe: k9copy? |
| 03:55.03 | Kensey | I was having the opposite problem all week |
| 03:55.03 | TMM | abrotman: just copied the old /etc/mtab over to the new system, now it reboots without a hitch |
| 03:55.11 | TMM | abrotman: I think I'm ready to try this for real :) |
| 03:55.19 | superjoe | Kensey: haha the irony tickles me |
| 03:55.28 | abrotman | TMM: and if it fails ? |
| 03:55.36 | n-iCe | superjoe: thaaaaaaanks |
| 03:55.36 | n-iCe | yes |
| 03:55.47 | superjoe | n-iCe: I typed "apt-cache search copy 9" |
| 03:55.51 | n-iCe | you know any better superjoe ? |
| 03:55.54 | TMM | abrotman: then I'm going to have to ask my hosting company for another server, and they are most likely to charge me some fee ;) |
| 03:55.55 | n-iCe | I am installing it right now, thanks |
| 03:56.04 | abrotman | TMM: just thought i'd check |
| 03:56.05 | superjoe | n-iCe: brasero is nice |
| 03:56.14 | simonrvn | what a pain. nfs won't mount. turned rpcdebug on, and i get timeout errors, connect errors. odd thing is it worked fine last week on the same box. |
| 03:56.14 | salvin | maher, cat /dev/usb/hiddev0 |
| 03:56.20 | Kensey | well it turns out that on my motherboard, you have to enable the IDE channel *and* set the drive geometry on the CD-ROM device entries to "Auto" instead of "None" |
| 03:56.31 | TMM | abrotman: well, the trick is to kill all processes you don't need for this operation it seems |
| 03:56.35 | simonrvn | wonders if his kernel has to do with ti |
| 03:56.44 | TMM | abrotman: but even that isn't THAT important, really. but more cruft will remain |
| 03:56.58 | salvin | maher, when do you press a button there's output? |
| 03:57.06 | superjoe | Kensey: huh. I'll file that nugget away in case it ever happens to me. When I click mount on the drive that doesn't exist, it says /dev/hdb does not exist |
| 03:57.15 | superjoe | which is pretty logical |
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| 03:57.41 | superjoe | aha |
| 03:57.46 | superjoe | it snuck into my /etc/fstab |
| 03:57.54 | superjoe | should cdroms be in there? |
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| 03:58.15 | Kensey | yeah |
| 03:58.31 | Kensey | I think :) |
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| 03:58.52 | TMM | abrotman: and, because of my 'multiple SSH server' strategy, it can only go REALLY wrong if the power goes out at the provider side during the initial debootstrap. So it has a critical section of about 5 or 10 minutes, and then only if the power at the hoster goes down. Network trouble don't matter :) |
| 03:58.52 | maher | salvin yes |
| 03:59.00 | Kensey | these days I think it's actually preferred to use a new subsystem, autodev or something like that |
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| 03:59.16 | superjoe | is there some software that will manage fstab for me? on my laptop, somehow I have it configured to auto-mount stuff I plug in, but here on my desktop which I set up when I was a n00b I have to add entries manually |
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| 03:59.45 | Kensey | this is where I start to get a little fuzzy |
| 04:00.05 | Kensey | and I'm not booted into Ubuntu on this laptop so I can't see how it works there |
| 04:00.11 | abrotman | TMM: murphy's law ? |
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| 04:00.29 | TMM | abrotman: if the power goes down at my hoster I have a whole different set of trouble :) |
| 04:00.41 | TMM | abrotman: screaming players, for starters :P |
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| 04:00.48 | maher | w00000000t!!!!1 |
| 04:00.53 | abrotman | like that eh? |
| 04:01.11 | maher | does the irw talks to lircd dance |
| 04:01.53 | TMM | abrotman: yeah, I rent out open-source game servers for little cash, but people still scream if something doesn't work right for a second... less than half the 'market price' too ... :) |
| 04:02.12 | TMM | abrotman: on the other hand, if the power's out, I can't see my emails anyway... Self-solving problem I suppose |
| 04:02.22 | abrotman | yay! |
| 04:02.40 | abrotman | waves |
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| 04:03.56 | Kensey | OK, during etch dist-upgrade I get a warning about x11-common wanting to overwrite /usr/X11R6/bin which belongs to xserver-common-v3 |
| 04:03.59 | fisxoj | Hello. I'd like to try ext4... Is that a horrible idea before debian gets 2.6.28? (on a removable drive) |
| 04:04.31 | Kensey | I'm guessing I should let x11-common overwrite since it's newer? |
| 04:04.38 | TMM | fisxoj: well, it's not a brilliant idea on kernels where it's still marked as 'ext4dev' |
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| 04:05.00 | fisxoj | TMM: any idea when the 2.6.28 will land? |
| 04:05.01 | TMM | fisxoj: although if you just want to play with it, there's no harm in that |
| 04:05.42 | fisxoj | well, I read that the ext4dev versions don't handle converted ext3's well, which is what I'd be doing |
| 04:06.03 | TMM | fisxoj: if you care about the data on that drive, I'd recommend against it. And I don't know when 2.6.28 will land |
| 04:06.13 | fisxoj | alright, thank you |
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| 04:06.26 | TMM | fisxoj: np :) |
| 04:07.43 | maher | it works!!!!! |
| 04:07.55 | Kensey | your remote? |
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| 04:08.07 | maher | Kensey: yup! |
| 04:08.19 | Kensey | of course it works, it's Debian Linux :) |
| 04:08.40 | maher | salvin: Kensey abrotan: thanks! |
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| 04:08.55 | maher | s/abrotan/abrotman/ |
| 04:09.05 | Kensey | hey, anybody know if CheapBytes is still kicking around? |
| 04:09.22 | simonrvn | indeed, i don't recommend ext4 until you get a recent kernel. |
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| 04:11.44 | initq | whats going on here |
| 04:11.53 | maxagaz | does someone know how to increase the size a root lvm partition ? |
| 04:12.26 | debian_noob | My printer is not being detected in hp-setup.It is an HP Laserjet 6L |
| 04:12.32 | simonrvn | initq: nothing |
| 04:12.40 | debian_noob | I have set it up using foomatic-gui |
| 04:12.46 | simonrvn | maxagaz: depends. does your fs support being grown? |
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| 04:13.34 | maxagaz | simonrvn, my fs is ext3 |
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| 04:13.41 | int80_h | I have some debian specific questions about plone, is this the right channel? |
| 04:13.46 | TMM | maxagaz: or, more to the point, does your FS support being grown on the fly? basically that question boils down to 'do you use xfs' ? |
| 04:13.56 | initq | maxned: i wrote this a while back, check it out http://initq.com/index.php/Guide_to_LVM |
| 04:14.19 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 04:14.24 | TMM | maxagaz: you can't really grow ext3 on the fly, you're going to need a rescue cd for that. |
| 04:14.33 | LemensTS | hey all. im going nuts with putty and vim. If i have text that is indented, and i highlight it with my mouse to copy it, then i right click with the mouse to paste it, it messes the indentions up. How do i do it correctly? |
| 04:14.58 | simonrvn | LemensTS: :set paste in vim |
| 04:15.02 | TMM | maxagaz: you can use the regular lvm tools while booted to increase the size of the logical volume your root fs resides on, but after that you're going to have to do a resize2fs, which, sadly, cannot be done on a mounted filesystem |
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| 04:15.50 | Unirgy | hi |
| 04:16.14 | Unirgy | i'm having a problem with alsa permissions... `aplay -l` sees my USB headset only with sudo |
| 04:16.19 | Unirgy | any ideas? |
| 04:16.41 | maxagaz | TMM, ok, so my first step is to boot a linux on a cd, and then ? |
| 04:16.49 | LemensTS | simonrvn: thank you! that saves me alot of time. |
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| 04:17.02 | DogBoy | Unirgy, you're in the audio group? |
| 04:17.12 | TMM | maxagaz: do you know how to setup lvm manually? |
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| 04:17.35 | Unirgy | DogBoy: yes, i've added myself and restarted alsa-utils |
| 04:17.38 | Unirgy | do i need to reboot? |
| 04:17.43 | maxagaz | TMM, I have set it up during the install |
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| 04:18.29 | TMM | maxagaz: basically you need a linux livecd that supports lvm. Then you do : pvscan, vgscan, vgchange -ay, vgextend -L +<size> /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname, resize2fs /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname |
| 04:18.32 | TMM | maxagaz: that's it |
| 04:18.53 | redheat | hi everyone |
| 04:19.01 | maxagaz | TMM, thanks a lot |
| 04:19.20 | redheat | sorry for bothering, I just installed lenny yesterday on my machine and I was wondering does lenny support wireless USB network cards? just a question |
| 04:19.37 | TMM | maxagaz: whoops... that's lvextend -L +size |
| 04:19.42 | TMM | maxagaz: not vgextend |
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| 04:20.38 | TMM | maxagaz: you can just use an ubuntu desktop livecd, apt-get install lvm on the livecd, then do those commands. That's probably the easiest of the bunch. |
| 04:20.47 | maxagaz | TMM, ok, for lvextend, what is the option if i want to extend so that it takes all the free space ? |
| 04:20.59 | TMM | maxagaz: there isn't one, you have to lookup the free space |
| 04:21.11 | maxagaz | TMM, yes that's what i was thinking to do |
| 04:21.24 | maxagaz | ok |
| 04:21.26 | TMM | maxagaz: sec, I'll show you |
| 04:21.53 | Unirgy | DogBoy: but the thing is, i can see internal soundcard with my user, but not USB |
| 04:21.53 | redheat | maxagaz, TMM, if you excuse me folks, really sorry for bothering, does anyoneo f you know if lenny supports wireless card? |
| 04:21.59 | Unirgy | DogBoy: USB headset only with sudo |
| 04:22.02 | Kensey | redheat: USB wireless cards are tricky |
| 04:22.06 | TMM | redheat: it does, but not ALL |
| 04:22.15 | TMM | maxagaz: http://paste2.org/p/157927 see that? |
| 04:22.15 | Kensey | you never know for sure what chipset a card is |
| 04:22.25 | redheat | no, I know this one |
| 04:22.46 | Kensey | how sure are you? Often the chipsets change within a model from one batch to another |
| 04:22.47 | redheat | it's a USB Network card made by Belkin and the chipset is made by a company called ralink |
| 04:22.59 | Kensey | which model of Belkin? |
| 04:23.08 | redheat | it uses the rt73 |
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| 04:23.24 | redheat | the model iteself is called hold on a second please |
| 04:23.35 | TMM | maxagaz: what you want to look for is the 'Free PE / Size' line, you take the second number '3.70 TB' here, as the -L +<size> value |
| 04:23.39 | maxagaz | TMM, yes, i see that |
| 04:23.57 | TMM | maxagaz: but the only way to find out is running vgdisplay after you did vgscan |
| 04:24.18 | redheat | F5D7633-4 |
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| 04:24.39 | Kensey | I think the ralink 25xx driver supports the RT73 as well |
| 04:24.41 | redheat | thats'the model number and , they even posted a linux driver for this chipset on ralinks website |
| 04:24.51 | TMM | maxagaz: now, it's being rounded either up or down, so it might end up saying there's not enough room if you just copy over that number, if yours says '10.5Gb' you might have to extend by 10.4 |
| 04:24.59 | redheat | yeah..I guess so, my main concern does lenny support it.. |
| 04:25.21 | redheat | I mean does it work with wireless, in general, or not? |
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| 04:25.38 | TMM | redheat: well, the lenny kernel is pretty recent, and yes, lenny does work with wireless in general |
| 04:25.41 | xoz | redheat: yep |
| 04:25.52 | TMM | redheat: you might make it a bit easier on yourself by installing network-manager |
| 04:26.35 | redheat | ok, I can google that..no problem, no much of a pro in linux sorry, but I look for it, folks, thank you so much for your help truly appreciate it.. |
| 04:26.36 | xoz | redheat: apt-cache search wireless |
| 04:26.41 | initq | do they have flash for 64 bit now on lenny |
| 04:26.46 | redheat | thanks..wow..thank you great.. |
| 04:27.03 | redheat | thank you truly appreciate it..xoz |
| 04:27.04 | xoz | redheat: plugin your wireless and check using iwconfig if it's there |
| 04:27.30 | redheat | ok...thank you so much I'll do that right away.. |
| 04:27.33 | redheat | thanks |
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| 04:27.40 | xoz | is using dlink wireless usb with ralink chipset |
| 04:27.45 | TMM | very thankful fellow :) |
| 04:27.56 | xoz | yep. |
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| 04:29.44 | parsonsd | man, #debian is a very clairevoiyant group |
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| 04:30.24 | parsonsd | from the docs, it looks like wpa_supplicant is only run in the background -- is /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf still used? |
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| 04:30.55 | TMM | parsonsd: not if you use network-manager or any of the other automatic config thingies. you CAN still use it, but I'd recommend against it |
| 04:31.11 | parsonsd | /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant has some example confs, but the debian wiki ... |
| 04:31.29 | parsonsd | TMM , thanks. |
| 04:31.40 | TMM | parsonsd: best to use /etc/network/interfaces these days iirc, I think it supports wpa now too |
| 04:32.30 | TMM | parsonsd: but, you save yourself a whole lot of grief if you just use one of the config utilities such as n-m or some of the others |
| 04:33.17 | TMM | parsonsd: http://damad.be/joost/blog/2007/01/debian-wifi-wpa-supplicant-and.html <-- example |
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| 04:33.56 | parsonsd | /var/log/wpa_supplicant.eth1.log keeps annoying me with the log mesg "Failed to initiate AP scan." |
| 04:34.15 | parsonsd | TMM - it looks like it, but my edits for /etc/network/interfaces still comes up a bit short on the authentication department, i think. |
| 04:34.32 | parsonsd | n-m? |
| 04:34.50 | TMM | parsonsd: network-manager, it requires either kde or gnome libs for it's gui though |
| 04:34.56 | TMM | parsonsd: have you seen this? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-wpa/wpasupplicant/branches/unstable/debian/README.Debian?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 04:35.10 | maxagaz | TMM, I have to use mapper like this "lvextend -L +size /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname" instead of my /dev/sda2 ? |
| 04:35.34 | TMM | maxagaz: yes /dev/sda2 is a physical volume, not a logical volume handled by LVM. |
| 04:35.47 | TMM | maxagaz: you're sure you're using LVM on this machine, right? :) |
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| 04:37.15 | TMM | maxagaz: I was wrong, sorry. it looks like this (I typed that from memory) lvextend vgname/lvname -L +100G |
| 04:37.20 | TMM | maxagaz: not /dev/mapper |
| 04:37.28 | TMM | maxagaz: and no '-' either :) |
| 04:37.46 | maxagaz | TMM, yes, i'm sure ;) (sometimes i ask some question that seem a bit stupid to be sure to understand) |
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| 04:40.04 | TMM | maxagaz: I'm leaving now, but you should have all the information you need |
| 04:40.11 | TMM | maxagaz: good luck! |
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| 04:41.57 | maxagaz | TMM, thanks |
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| 04:50.34 | parsonsd | TMM : rats. something must not be right about the /etc/network/interfaces for my 802.11b setup. i run /sbin/ifup eth1 and I get an SIOCSIFFLAGS: Connection timed out error (to begin with...) |
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| 04:55.25 | parsonsd | the examples in the wpasupplicant README.modes on setting the interfaces doesn't use "wpa-passphrase" but "wpa-psk" ... |
| 04:55.39 | parsonsd | hrm. i havne't looked at interfaces(5) for all that i've been reading |
| 04:55.50 | parsonsd | is confused. |
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| 05:28.58 | samzor | Hi, I cant get the vgrename to work for LVM ,says 'volume group "name" still has active LVs' so I unmounted all of them and I still get the message. Anyone know how to get around this? |
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| 05:32.13 | Wyzard | samzor: vgchange -an $vgname |
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| 05:38.34 | martian67 | how do i make apt-get upgrade not ask questions? |
| 05:39.21 | valdyn | martian67: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, set to noninteractive, apt-get -y upgrade |
| 05:39.30 | valdyn | martian67: but that might leave packages unconfigured |
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| 05:40.49 | xoz | notes that apt-get is still more snappy than aptitude |
| 05:43.01 | martian67 | also |
| 05:43.08 | martian67 | how do i terminate an at command |
| 05:43.21 | martian67 | i keep pressing enter |
| 05:43.27 | martian67 | but it just makes more blank lines |
| 05:43.36 | martian67 | the manpage gives no details :/ |
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| 05:45.02 | qabulin | i just finished building my first debian small production server. what are some best practises for a new admin??\ |
| 05:45.26 | Kensey | qabulin: scan with some outside tool like Nessus |
| 05:45.40 | qabulin | kk |
| 05:45.50 | Kensey | scan local on the box, on a trusted subnet, and from the Internet |
| 05:46.21 | Kensey | also make sure to keep an eye on your logfiles and the server load |
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| 05:47.01 | qabulin | ive managed to ssh to my server via my cell, so i have been all over them hourlly |
| 05:48.32 | qabulin | okay then, thanks! ^_^ |
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| 05:55.23 | oraci | hi ... i have a problem ... install openvpn with 2 network cards ... make licenses and everything else ... windows clients can connect without problems but can not see where the network (LAN) vpn |
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| 06:05.43 | karikari | Hi, i am creating mdadm raid5 array and it seems strange, I do mdadm --create /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 --level=raid5 --raid-devices=3 and yet it shows up as "clean, degraded" with /dev/sdc1 as spare and doesn't seem like syncing anything |
| 06:06.09 | karikari | any ideas? |
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| 06:06.37 | karikari | or is this normal? or do I have to do something in order to get the "spare" to be in sync with the other drives? |
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| 06:06.42 | negge | I have a 500 GB harddrive and will soon be getting another 1TB drive. Is it possible to "join" them both together with LVM without erasing all of their contents? |
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| 06:07.24 | karikari | negge: create the 1TB one with LVM, move the data there and then join the 500 GB one into the LVM volume group? |
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| 06:08.17 | negge | karikari: I never thought of that but it sounds reasonable |
| 06:08.35 | karikari | negge :) |
| 06:08.58 | negge | karikari: I've been reading up a little bit but I can't seem to find any info on what happens with my data if one of the drives in my "volume group" fails? Is everything gone after that? |
| 06:09.57 | karikari | hmm, if the filesystem runs across the drives it is propably damaged, but I suppose you could rescue a lot since all the files should be in order on the drives |
| 06:10.21 | karikari | negge, but raid / backup is really your friend here : ) |
| 06:11.05 | negge | karikari: backup drives are expensive:) I'll probably get another 1TB drive I can use as backup as soon as I get some more money. |
| 06:11.57 | negge | the idea of having to double the amount of harddrives just because they suck kinda sucks |
| 06:12.06 | karikari | hmm yeah |
| 06:12.12 | karikari | raid5 could come in handy here |
| 06:12.21 | karikari | you only need 1 extra drive |
| 06:12.34 | karikari | but they all need to be the same size |
| 06:12.46 | negge | I don't think my current mobo supports any RAID at all... |
| 06:13.03 | karikari | with mdadm you can do software raid quite easily : ) |
| 06:13.12 | karikari | and it works quite well in my experience |
| 06:13.16 | negge | oh yeah there's that too. |
| 06:13.18 | karikari | which is not much though |
| 06:13.38 | karikari | most claim software raid is better then these onboard raid controllers |
| 06:13.49 | karikari | which often are a combination of hardware and software raid |
| 06:13.58 | karikari | can read up on "fake raid" :) |
| 06:14.33 | karikari | a real hardware raid controller which does a decent job is quite expensive I think |
| 06:14.36 | negge | karikari: I've read about it but I've heard the opposite, software RAID is supposed to be worse than "real" hardware RAID |
| 06:14.49 | karikari | well there are pros and cons |
| 06:14.56 | karikari | but "real" hardware raid is expensive |
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| 06:15.07 | negge | yeah |
| 06:15.09 | karikari | these onboard motherboard controllers are the worst |
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| 06:15.16 | tengulre | how to known which apps usnig swaps when that running? |
| 06:16.10 | karikari | negge: software raid has one advantage of being not dependant on the hardware in the computer |
| 06:16.24 | karikari | negge: you could move the whole raid array to a different computer and mount it quite easily |
| 06:16.55 | negge | yeah I suppose that's a good thing |
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| 06:18.31 | negge | I don't think I will be going for RAID though, I'm just gonna rsync some stuff to another drive a little now and then. I'm also hoping I get to bring home one of our old servers from work, one of them has an LTO2 tape drive and we've got plenty of unused tapes. Certainly a lot safer than harddrives... |
| 06:18.52 | karikari | yeah I suppose |
| 06:19.05 | karikari | if you can get a tape drive and inexpensive tapes : ) |
| 06:19.48 | negge | I'd get them for free if we could just get rid of that server already. |
| 06:19.57 | karikari | but not considering hard drive failure your LVM plan with the two hard drives should be easily done :) |
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| 06:20.21 | karikari | nice :) |
| 06:20.30 | negge | karikari: yeah I just gotta find a relatively new guide on the subject, most I've seen so far are about 2 year old |
| 06:20.48 | karikari | I think it hasn't changed much yet |
| 06:20.54 | karikari | or lately |
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| 06:21.50 | negge | I found one on howtoforge that looks pretty good |
| 06:21.54 | karikari | just add the new drive, create a lvm partion, pvcreate, vgcreate, lvcreate, move the data to the new lv, pvcreate on the old hard drive and then add it to the newly created volume group |
| 06:22.10 | karikari | then you can enlarge the logical volume and then enlarge the file system |
| 06:22.16 | negge | all this PV VG LV is making me nuts |
| 06:22.20 | karikari | :) |
| 06:22.25 | d-b | negge: just keep it simple if you can... |
| 06:22.44 | negge | d-b: can I mess it up too? |
| 06:22.46 | d-b | there is no point in using raid, if it is going to a) slow you down or b) cause data loss. |
| 06:23.06 | d-b | for data you want. |
| 06:24.11 | negge | If I would be getting a completely new system I might have gone for RAID but now that I'm just expanding I think it's too much of a hustle |
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| 06:24.31 | negge | once I get this LVM working I can easily add new USB drives to the "pool" |
| 06:25.06 | d-b | .... raid with usb devs ? |
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| 06:25.23 | negge | one day I think it would be good to try openSolaris on a file server, the ZFS filesystem seems to be the real deal for that kind of stuff |
| 06:25.36 | negge | d-b: I'm not gonna use RAID |
| 06:25.44 | crazyx__ | hello everybody. plz how can i get debian booting on NOAPIC ? (sorry for my english is poor) |
| 06:25.54 | karikari | negge: yeah you should propably beware of usb drives, if one is turned of you wouldn't want parts of your filesystems missing |
| 06:26.01 | karikari | of->off |
| 06:26.15 | d-b | negge: what it -> name them properly. |
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| 06:26.18 | d-b | watch* |
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| 06:27.35 | crazyx__ | plz someone can help me? i got a debian on a HP Proliant D380 G4, and i want to boot debian with NOAPIC. How can i do it plz |
| 06:27.46 | negge | karikari: I won't be turning them off. |
| 06:28.27 | phobos_anomaly | crazyx__: so add the line acpi=0 to the grub menu |
| 06:28.54 | phobos_anomaly | if thats what you ment by apic |
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| 06:30.09 | karikari | negge: ok, I've found LVM quite useful and often enlarged filesystems by adding drives to volume groups, it is quite simple if you can get through the tutorial I think is on tldp.org, it's a bit old but still valid, at least it teaches you about the PV VG LV stuff :) |
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| 06:30.44 | karikari | negge: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ - chapters 3 and 11 |
| 06:30.48 | negge | karikari: I saw this illustration which pretty much explains it all: http://images.howtoforge.com/images/lvm/lvm_scheme_full.png :) |
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| 06:32.28 | karikari | negge: yeah exactly, so you have one volume group and depending on your setup, some logical volumes (which then contain filesystems), then when you add drives to the volume group, you can enlarge a logical volume and (depending on filesystem) enlarge the filesystem within |
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| 06:32.46 | karikari | negge: with ext3 this is all very easy |
| 06:32.48 | crazyx__ | phobos really don't know how to this |
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| 06:33.30 | crazyx__ | plz someone can help me on getting NOAPIC on debian ? i really don't know how to get on this |
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| 06:33.54 | negge | karikari: so basically, if I want to add another drive to the setup, I create a new PV for it, add it to the existing volume group and then resize one of my logical volumes? |
| 06:34.15 | karikari | crazyx__: when you boot you get a menu listing your kernel versions, you can push "e" (if I recall correctly, perhaps twice) and then at the end of the line that opens up you add " acpi=0" and then you press "b" to boot that grub entry |
| 06:34.34 | karikari | negge: yeah, basically :) |
| 06:35.46 | karikari | negge: you create a partition on your new drive (if you want to add it all you just create one big partition), run pvcreate on that partition to "mark it" for LVM use and then add that partition to the volume group, and then yes, you enlarge some logical volume(s) or create new ones |
| 06:35.48 | negge | karikari: doesn't sound that complicated now that I think of it:) |
| 06:36.16 | karikari | no it is quite simple |
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| 06:36.29 | karikari | and very convenient |
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| 06:36.48 | karikari | you can create partitions that can easily be enlarged or shrinked later on |
| 06:36.57 | negge | karikari: I'm a bit uncomfortable using fdisk though, are there any other ways to create these "Linux LVM"-partitions? |
| 06:37.04 | negge | I normally use Gparted for all the partitioning |
| 06:37.05 | karikari | vs the "pretty much" fixed size partitions you create on hard drives |
| 06:37.18 | karikari | hmm, you can use cfdisk |
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| 06:37.34 | karikari | which is a bit more friendly |
| 06:38.35 | negge | okay |
| 06:39.11 | negge | karikari: is ext3 the best choice of filesystem for LVM volumes? |
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| 06:40.06 | karikari | negge: hmm, it really doesn't matter I think, but I often use ext3 simply because it's common and all you would possibly want to do has already been done a million times with ext3 :) |
| 06:40.15 | karikari | negge: such as enlarging a filesyste |
| 06:40.28 | negge | hehe |
| 06:40.55 | karikari | negge: but I have never tried xfs or jfs or all the other fancy filesystems out there |
| 06:41.04 | negge | I haven't found a reason not to use it yet, although the filesystem checks really take forever on bigger drives |
| 06:41.17 | karikari | negge: tried reiserfs once, but that crashed on me, ext3 has just worked |
| 06:41.23 | negge | hehe |
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| 06:42.12 | karikari | negge: yeah, exactly, and ext4 seems promising and you can easily convert up to ext4 from ext3 |
| 06:42.35 | karikari | negge: although it is to new to be in a stable kernel shipped with debian |
| 06:42.45 | karikari | to->too |
| 06:43.00 | negge | yeah that's the downside |
| 06:43.32 | negge | although downloading and installing a newer kernel shouldn't be that hard |
| 06:43.38 | karikari | no |
| 06:43.56 | karikari | 2.6.28 is in the unstable/experimental repositories |
| 06:43.59 | karikari | I think |
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| 06:45.18 | karikari | negge: but now I really have to go to sleep :) good luck with your LVM mission :) |
| 06:45.39 | negge | karikari: hehe yeah. Thank you for the conversation! |
| 06:45.44 | karikari | negge: and there is plenty of info out there on all related to this Þ= |
| 06:46.02 | karikari | negge: thank you too :) gn |
| 06:46.03 | negge | yeah I think I'm starting to get a grip of it after reading the article on howtoforge |
| 06:46.07 | negge | good night |
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| 06:54.44 | crazyx__ | plz someone can help me on getting NOAPIC on debian ? i really don't know how to get on this |
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| 06:56.37 | EmleyMoor | crazyx: Are you trying to boot an installer? |
| 06:57.33 | shams | can anyone find any information of me like computer name, if i publish a pdf file or an image that exported from my computer to the internet? |
| 06:58.22 | EmleyMoor | shams: They shouldn't be able to... pdfs and picture files don't hold such information |
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| 07:08.37 | mcdaza | Howdy all, anyone had experience installing Intel APG 4695 wireless drivers? |
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| 07:21.49 | ninjaslim | hi guys, i know tat Debian is Linux but how similar is it to say BSD which is what I use right now? |
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| 07:24.02 | Guerin | ninjaslim: this similar |<----->| |
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| 07:26.30 | lxsameer | what is the structure of a debian installer cd? |
| 07:26.46 | ptman | ninjaslim: bsd has base system + packages, in most linux distributions (including debian) also the base is formed of packages and there is no real boundary between base and additional packages |
| 07:27.28 | ptman | ninjaslim: also, linux "base system" is formed of gnu packages, while bsd systems tend to avoid GNU stuff in base |
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| 07:29.22 | Sam_IRC | Can someone tell me how to figure out what ports a certain program is using? |
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| 07:30.17 | tvaal | netstat -plunt |
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| 07:31.25 | Sam_IRC | thanks |
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| 08:17.19 | Nido | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release.gpg Could not connect to ftp.nl.debian.org:80 (130.89.149.21), connection timed out |
| 08:17.26 | Nido | Anyone else have that problem? |
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| 08:19.02 | nox-Hand | Nido: I don't have access to a Debian box from here, but a simple ping 130.89.149.21 shows that the server is down. |
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| 08:19.38 | nox-Hand | Nido: try a apt-get --fix-missing install <whateveryouwanted> after an apt-get update. Might get lucky, and you might just have to wait :) |
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| 08:20.01 | lvh | Strange! ftp.be.debian.org was down yesterday for a bit for me too :-) |
| 08:20.24 | ronr | what command can I use if I have two files and I want to create a new, third file that has only all the lines that are in file 1, but not in file 2? |
| 08:20.51 | Nido | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.17 | nox-Hand | Ah yes, release.gpg - my bad. |
| 08:21.39 | Nido | no problem |
| 08:21.55 | nox-Hand | I believe there is a configuration files called mirrors.SOMETHING in /etc or /etc/apt, where you can define where you awnt it to look for updates. Change that if you really need to, or (even simpler) wait for the server to get back up. |
| 08:23.26 | Nido | thanks |
| 08:23.41 | Nido | just needed to check whether something bad was happening |
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| 08:25.10 | nox-Hand | Nido: Nothing to worry about (unless NO net works on your computer and you are chatting from somewhere else) :) |
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| 08:29.04 | Guerin | !mirrors |
| 08:29.04 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 08:31.04 | Guerin | i recommend ftp.kr.debian.org - even if you're on the other side of the globe, it's on the third or fourth-fastest fibre backbone in the world, put in during the 1970s by the US Army, who are singularly responsible for the fact that 75% of Koreans have 100 mbit unmetered up/down internet for $30 per month - they put in tousands of KM worth of dark fibre, most of which remains dark despite all that traffic |
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| 08:31.26 | Guerin | (of course, whether you get good speed from it probably depends on your ISP's proxy) |
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| 08:34.10 | DGnome | Apparently my Xen state-saving problems were due to lack of space on my root filesystem, lesson learned :) |
| 08:34.18 | pif | hi, is there a utility to send email alerts when a filesystems becomes full? |
| 08:34.56 | maxagaz | i've booted on a livecd to resize a lvm (ext3) partition, but when i run "vgchange -ay", i get an error message: /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found |
| 08:35.12 | oraci | hi... i have problem... install pptpd to create a VPN ... install the server in a central office ... and branches away from the plant via the Internet can connect seamlessly to the server pptpd ... but I can not access the internal network that is in the central ... The VPN server has 2 network cards "eth0 (intenert) eth1(LAN)"... |
| 08:35.18 | tomodachi | maxagaz: try restarting / starting lvm |
| 08:35.29 | tomodachi | maxagaz: it could be a timing issue maybe |
| 08:37.39 | maxagaz | tomodachi, i've added some modules |
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| 08:51.36 | TuXRuleZz | hi all someone can help me pls?, i am new debian user |
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| 08:55.23 | oraci | hi... i have problem... install pptpd to create a VPN ... install the server in a central office ... and branches away from the plant via the Internet can connect seamlessly to the server pptpd ... but I can not access the internal network that is in the central ... The VPN server has 2 network cards "eth0 (intenert) eth1(LAN)"... |
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| 09:01.25 | tomodachi | oraci: hi any particular reason for pusing pptd for creating your vpn? |
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| 09:02.44 | MoL0ToV^ | hi to all, how to use the module fake_perms.so with samba user profiles in debian 5.0 stable? i'm unable to find a official howto... |
| 09:02.47 | oraci | tomodachi: I read that it was more convenient for a rookie |
| 09:03.03 | tomodachi | oraci: i cant really say but i've been using openvpn |
| 09:03.07 | tomodachi | getting vpn links working |
| 09:03.11 | tomodachi | took me 10minutes |
| 09:03.34 | tomodachi | oraci: www.openvpn.org |
| 09:03.46 | mosno | there are many similar packages in debian. is there some forum or whatever where people compare similar apps? i already know of popcon, but i was looking for a more qualitative analysis... |
| 09:04.01 | mosno | eg. tightvncserver vs vnc4server |
| 09:04.06 | oraci | tomodachi: i try, but i was worse |
| 09:04.24 | tomodachi | oraci: did you read the examples on their homepage |
| 09:04.41 | tomodachi | its a simple has having a tun interface, generating a key and just setting up a simple configfile |
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| 09:05.09 | tomodachi | ive spent more time configuring xorg.conf |
| 09:05.16 | tomodachi | than setting up vpn tunnels |
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| 09:05.41 | oraci | i read 9 manuals... |
| 09:06.24 | tomodachi | oraci: http://openvpn.net/index.php/documentation/miscellaneous/static-key-mini-howto.html |
| 09:06.27 | tomodachi | if you fail this |
| 09:06.28 | tomodachi | i cant help you |
| 09:06.30 | tomodachi | :) |
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| 09:06.56 | oraci | tomodachi: I think I need the tap, but not in any way I could make it work |
| 09:07.05 | tomodachi | oraci: what dist are you using? |
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| 09:08.42 | oraci | debian lenny... 2.6.26 |
| 09:08.48 | tomodachi | modprobe tun |
| 09:08.51 | tomodachi | should do it for you |
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| 09:10.28 | oraci | icaro@stargate:~$ sudo modprobe tun |
| 09:10.28 | oraci | [sudo] password for icaro: |
| 09:10.28 | oraci | icaro@stargate:~$ |
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| 09:14.14 | tomodachi | oraci: so is it loaded? |
| 09:14.44 | dragonheart | oraci: sudo lsmod |
| 09:15.41 | oraci | tomodachi: i read the site... i hope... |
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| 09:16.03 | oraci | dragonheart: what find ? |
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| 09:17.14 | dragonheart | oraci: nm - though you wantedt o know if ti was laoded. need to open eyes and have coffee before irc |
| 09:17.26 | oraci | tomodachi: "are ideal for point-to-point"... i need point-to-network :/ |
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| 09:19.43 | tomodachi | oraci: we use it for point-to-point |
| 09:19.47 | tomodachi | as well as for client-server |
| 09:20.36 | tomodachi | but i have a feeling you need to learn more |
| 09:20.40 | tomodachi | before you can get anywhere |
| 09:20.53 | tomodachi | if you didnt know how to get the tun/tap driver working you havent read enough of the documentation |
| 09:21.08 | tomodachi | or lack some fundamentals wich will be nessecary along the way |
| 09:21.22 | tomodachi | i can help you along the way, but im not going to hold your hand and lead you there |
| 09:21.23 | heanol | sid seems kind of broken right now.. much stuff happening? |
| 09:21.38 | oraci | :/ |
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| 09:26.23 | anewbie | hi there guys when i observe top what i must whatch to check if the process is frost |
| 09:26.27 | anewbie | the time change |
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| 09:26.31 | anewbie | but nothing else |
| 09:26.36 | anewbie | is that can be working process |
| 09:26.37 | anewbie | ? |
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| 09:49.12 | nima0102 | hi |
| 09:49.46 | nima0102 | Do software 32-bit work good on kernel 64 bit ???? |
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| 09:55.45 | nima0102 | Do software 32-bit work good on kernel 64 bit ???? |
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| 09:58.37 | Panarchy | says Hi |
| 09:58.46 | OpenTokix | nima0102: yes |
| 09:59.13 | OpenTokix | nima0102: so good infact that you can install a full 32-bit debian and then only switch to 64-bit kernel |
| 09:59.35 | Panarchy | I have a Package created for one particular architecture, would it be possible to force it's installation on a different architecture? |
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| 10:00.57 | nima0102 | OpenTokix: thanks, in order run 32-bit software on 64-bit system, should I install extra package ?? |
| 10:01.50 | nima0102 | OpenTokix: in fact, I intend install squid on 64-bit kernel, Do you know that there is not problem in this way ? |
| 10:02.11 | Panarchy | . |
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| 10:03.08 | OpenTokix | nima0102: some, you usually only need ia32-libs |
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| 10:04.13 | nima0102 | OpenTokix: excuse me for many questions ;) , did you install debian 64-bit without any problem ?? |
| 10:04.15 | nacer | hi |
| 10:04.40 | OpenTokix | nima0102: yes, many times |
| 10:04.46 | nacer | does there is a real documentation about /etc/network/interfaces ? because de the man interfaces is really cheap |
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| 10:04.54 | OpenTokix | nima0102: I am actually going to New York tomorrow installing six servers with Debian lenny 64bit |
| 10:05.51 | Panarchy | I have a Package created for one particular architecture, would it be possible to force it's installation on a different architecture? |
| 10:06.31 | OpenTokix | Panarchy: yes |
| 10:06.48 | OpenTokix | Panarchy: dpkg -i --force-architecture packagename.deb |
| 10:07.03 | OpenTokix | Panarchy: I did that with lightscribe-software, working perfectly |
| 10:07.20 | nima0102 | OpenTokix: too many thanks for your guidance |
| 10:07.27 | OpenTokix | nima0102: np, good luck |
| 10:07.36 | Panarchy | OpenTokix: Time to test it with Fink on Mac OS X |
| 10:07.57 | nima0102 | OpenTokix: then I will install lenny 64-bit for our cache server, |
| 10:08.07 | OpenTokix | nima0102: do it |
| 10:08.12 | OpenTokix | Panarchy: fink? |
| 10:08.25 | OpenTokix | Panarchy: fink is a pile of shit |
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| 10:09.06 | Panarchy | What (on Mac OS X) should I use instead? |
| 10:09.46 | Carta | need help pls http://rafb.net/p/Grty8050.html |
| 10:09.47 | ninjaslim | use macports |
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| 10:11.19 | OpenTokix | Panarchy: use native apps =) |
| 10:11.22 | buffoon_work | Carta, if you're running etch it seems that you have a package compiled for lenny and not for etch... |
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| 10:11.43 | Panarchy | Native Apps? NEVER |
| 10:11.44 | Panarchy | lol |
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| 10:12.08 | Carta | how i can get etch package ? |
| 10:12.36 | OpenTokix | Panarchy: any special app you are looking for? |
| 10:12.40 | paxcoder | is there a way to track (ie see contents) of packages that the browser sends? I want to see an http POST method. |
| 10:13.09 | petemc | tcpflow |
| 10:13.39 | jelly | Carta: the best bet would likely be to backport it |
| 10:13.43 | jelly | Carta: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:14.07 | jelly | Carta: or upgrade the whole system to lenny and use the version in it |
| 10:14.32 | paxcoder | petemc: i'm not catching anything :-( |
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| 10:14.49 | jelly | petemc: is it nicer than, say, wireshark's "follow tcp stream"? |
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| 10:15.00 | ThoMe | hello |
| 10:15.10 | Carta | jelly what means backport ? sorry for stupid question but im new debian user |
| 10:15.12 | petemc | jelly: not sure if its nicer, it works well tho |
| 10:15.21 | ThoMe | is it posible here: http://paste.keks.be/314 on the end of line the total size? example: "Total: 1000MB" ? |
| 10:16.03 | jelly | Carta: it means rebuilding the binary package from sources that are available in a newer debian release |
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| 10:16.13 | paxcoder | petemc: it doesn't report anything to me |
| 10:16.44 | petemc | paxcoder: you've given yourself all of 2 minutes to learn how to use it |
| 10:17.01 | jelly | "learn"? |
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| 10:17.09 | Suzu | hi |
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| 10:17.25 | petemc | jelly: ? |
| 10:17.39 | paxcoder | petemc: oh, it goes to files. k then. |
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| 10:18.00 | jelly | petemc: eh, never mind |
| 10:18.24 | Carta | i try to install with 2 metods first i download source but ./configure need Qt4 toolkit and i cant find that package with apt |
| 10:18.33 | ThoMe | find /home/thomas/ -size +10M -type f -print | xargs du -skh | sort -rn |
| 10:18.35 | rnix | hi, is the kerberos5 plugin of saslauthd able to authenticate against a remore kdc, or just on localhost? |
| 10:18.45 | rnix | remote even |
| 10:18.48 | ThoMe | is it posible to the end of line attach the total-size vom the result? |
| 10:18.54 | ThoMe | example "Total: 10000MB" ? |
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| 10:20.36 | jelly | ThoMe: you could add the numbers yourself with awk; or you could add a -c option to du and hope xargs passes all the arguments to a single du command |
| 10:20.54 | ThoMe | jelly: can you help me with this? example? please? :/ |
| 10:21.52 | scientes | how do i install packages from a dpkg -l |
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| 10:22.32 | StarkD | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer <-- the info for lenny needs to be updated. could I help out with that somehow as a regular debian user? |
| 10:22.36 | Carta | jelly http://rafb.net/p/FJKb9310.html |
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| 10:22.53 | scientes | StarkD, yes, if you know what it needs to say make an account and then change it |
| 10:23.23 | ThoMe | jelly: ? .-) |
| 10:23.24 | scientes | StarkD, its a wiki so anyone with an account can change it |
| 10:23.34 | jelly | ThoMe: patience is a virtue. |
| 10:23.46 | StarkD | scientes: ok where do I get an account? |
| 10:23.54 | ThoMe | joerg .-) ok |
| 10:24.07 | scientes | click login on the right hand side StarkD |
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| 10:24.23 | jelly | ThoMe: you'd basically pipe the output to something like awk '{ total = total + $1 }; END {print "Total: " total}' |
| 10:24.28 | scientes | StarkD, http://wiki.debian.org/UserPreferences |
| 10:24.34 | StarkD | scientes: yes found it |
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| 10:24.57 | ThoMe | jelly: you mean: find /home/thomas/ -size +10M -type f -print | xargs du -skh | sort -rn | awk '{ total = total + $1 }; END {print "Total: " total}' ? |
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| 10:25.02 | scientes | how can i link packages and then install the same on another system |
| 10:25.09 | jelly | ThoMe: yes |
| 10:25.16 | Carta | jelly ? |
| 10:25.17 | TTT | hi, how do I run rxvt so that it executes a command and then remains in interactive shell? |
| 10:25.38 | ThoMe | jelly: hm kruemel:~# find /home/thomas/ -size +10M -type f -print | xargs du -skh | sort -rn | awk '{ total = total + $1 }; END {print "Total: " total}' |
| 10:25.38 | paxcoder | petemc: jelly: ty both |
| 10:25.41 | ThoMe | Total: 1113 |
| 10:25.43 | ThoMe | kruemel:~# |
| 10:25.49 | ThoMe | jelly: but, better: http://paste.keks.be/314 |
| 10:25.53 | ThoMe | jelly: and the last line total |
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| 10:27.08 | jelly | ThoMe: add a "; print" in the first {} |
| 10:27.19 | ThoMe | jelly: hm? |
| 10:27.35 | jelly | { total = total + $1; print } |
| 10:27.45 | Brusca | Ive got a bootable usb flash drive with a dos filesystem. Its capacity is 2GB but I cant write more than about 150MB to it (disk full error). any solution? |
| 10:28.05 | ThoMe | jelly: kruemel:~# find /home/thomas/ -size +10M -type f -print | xargs du -skh | sort -rn | awk '{ total = total + $1 }; END { total = total + $1; print }' |
| 10:28.08 | ThoMe | 11M /home/thomas/alte_logs/06-#php.de.log |
| 10:28.11 | ThoMe | kruemel:~# |
| 10:28.54 | paxcoder | Brusca: FS itself (FAT32) takes up space too. Perhaps a different FS would save some space, but you won't get full capacity, since manufacturers think a kilobyte is 1000 bytes |
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| 10:29.04 | Carta | someone here can help me ? http://rafb.net/p/FJKb9310.html |
| 10:29.10 | monkey_d_luffy | I plugged in an USB flash drive an nothing happened. I'm using KDE 3.5. Any ideas where the problem might be? (It has worked in the past... this can be due to system updates, I don't know) |
| 10:29.11 | jelly | ThoMe: nope; there were two { } blocks in the first awk command; you should have added ; print to the first one |
| 10:29.25 | paxcoder | *full capacity = declared size |
| 10:29.49 | jelly | ThoMe: awk runs the first { } block for every line of the input |
| 10:30.08 | Brusca | paxcoder, ofc i dont expect to be able to use 2GB, but I can even use 0.2 GB, something must be wrong with the formatting i think.. |
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| 10:30.56 | paxcoder | Brusca: oh sry. well yeah, you probably have a partition of about 150MB, I could walk you through fdisk to reformat the whole thing in PM if you want |
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| 10:31.12 | Carta | thanks :( bye |
| 10:31.17 | jelly | ThoMe: $1 means "first record in each line", which in your case would be the strings "140M", "103M", "85M" etc. we add their number values to the variable named "total". |
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| 10:31.42 | jelly | ThoMe: the END { } block is run when there's no more input |
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| 10:33.02 | ThoMe | jelly: ah ok: http://paste.keks.be/315 |
| 10:33.11 | ThoMe | jelly: and is it also posible total in MB? :-) |
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| 10:34.35 | TMM | hey jelly |
| 10:34.58 | TMM | jelly: I completely perfected the procedure now :) it goes without hiccups in the vms I tried it in :) |
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| 10:35.50 | monkey_d_luffy | I plugged in an USB flash drive and my kde autorun popup didn't show up. I'm using KDE 3.5. dmseg shows the device is detected. Is the problem with udev? hal? pmount? How can I check this? (It has worked in the past... this can be due to system updates, I don't know) |
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| 10:36.50 | careta | hello |
| 10:37.24 | careta | does anyone know how do i pass a message at boot time to a module which is compiled into the kernel? |
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| 10:37.57 | ktwilight | careta, you can't. |
| 10:38.17 | careta | so i have to compile it as a module that it? |
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| 10:43.20 | lnxnubie | trying to install lenny 64 bit via network |
| 10:43.35 | lnxnubie | getting error : net-retriever error dist/lenny/Release is unsigned |
| 10:43.47 | lnxnubie | help! help! help! |
| 10:44.21 | lnxnubie | i have setup my own web server |
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| 10:44.24 | nijan | Hello, this might be a common problem: I ve installed alsa and everything, but I still have silent speakers despite the fact I get no error message, I made louder anything on alsamix and everything start working well if I use headphones or external speakers. Any clue? |
| 10:45.10 | ThoMe | jelly: emm |
| 10:45.21 | ThoMe | jelly: find /home/thomas -maxdepth 1 -type d -print | xargs du -skh | sort -rn <<show only directorys |
| 10:45.25 | ThoMe | but i can also use -size |
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| 10:52.29 | Brusca | thanks and bye! |
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| 11:00.56 | Spectre | hi |
| 11:01.13 | Spectre | how can I reconfigure xorg.conf settings graphically? |
| 11:01.26 | Spectre | I mean over console |
| 11:01.26 | Spectre | !dpkg xorg |
| 11:01.26 | dpkg | X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <install x> if you are using etch or newer, or <get xorg> if you are using sarge. Ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. http://wiki.x.org/ #xorg @ irc.freenode.net. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.Org_Server and perhaps http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce |
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| 11:01.33 | monkey_d_luffy | I plugged in an USB flash drive and my kde autorun popup didn't show up. I'm using KDE 3.5. dmseg shows the device is detected. Is the problem with udev? hal? pmount? I've restarted udev and hal, no change! What's broken???? |
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| 11:03.17 | jelly | ThoMe: du -m would force the output sizes to MiB |
| 11:03.48 | ThoMe | jelly: say, howi can get only the directory size and say "max: 10 MB" |
| 11:03.58 | ThoMe | not file max 10 mb, the complete dir max 10 mb |
| 11:04.02 | ThoMe | find can only files |
| 11:04.11 | ThoMe | jelly: i think i need du and? howi can say "if" ? |
| 11:04.26 | jelly | ThoMe: what are you really trying to do? |
| 11:04.44 | Spectre | dammit |
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| 11:05.06 | Spectre | I have lenny so if I run dpkg-reconfigure xorg server, it doesn't ask me about monitor and such |
| 11:05.07 | ThoMe | jelly: i would like list a dir and say: show only the dir what higher is 10 mb (the files in this) |
| 11:05.24 | Spectre | I need to configure whole xorg.conf again |
| 11:05.26 | Spectre | any idea? |
| 11:06.22 | jelly | ThoMe: in awk, you can put a condition before the { } block, and the block only gets executed if the condition is true |
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| 11:07.00 | jelly | ThoMe: try piping to, for example, awk '$1 < 10 {print}' |
| 11:07.24 | jelly | ThoMe: er, $1 > 10 |
| 11:08.09 | zophy | hi |
| 11:08.26 | jelly | ThoMe: eg. find /home/thomas -maxdepth 1 -type d -print0 | xargs -0 du -sm | awk '$1 > 10 {print}' | sort -rn |
| 11:08.33 | jelly | ThoMe: /msg dpkg using find |
| 11:09.07 | ThoMe | jelly: 388 /home/thomas/logs is it posible "388mb" ? |
| 11:09.17 | ThoMe | du -sh ?m |
| 11:09.23 | bolt-work | Spectre: in lenny, xorg is trusted to autodetect most things. You should only put in overrides for the stuff that isn't autodetected correctly. |
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| 11:09.56 | jelly | ThoMe: do not use -h for du, use something that will always output the same unit |
| 11:09.58 | misfire | hi all .. are there any advantages to disable ping on a server ? |
| 11:10.33 | tomodachi | well i wouldnt disable it |
| 11:10.43 | jelly | ThoMe: sort -n and awk and others will think "5M" > "1G" |
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| 11:10.46 | tomodachi | but you can limit the amount of responses to "ping" |
| 11:11.00 | misfire | what are the disadvantages ? |
| 11:11.03 | tomodachi | so you minimize denial of service attacks through ping |
| 11:11.09 | tomodachi | icmp is used on the internet |
| 11:11.20 | tomodachi | to decide MTU size |
| 11:11.33 | tomodachi | basically it can affect your network performance |
| 11:11.40 | tomodachi | you should NOT disable it entierly |
| 11:11.51 | misfire | tomodachi .. thanx. |
| 11:12.16 | tomodachi | misfire: np |
| 11:13.09 | jelly | Spectre: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 11:13.40 | jelly | bolt-work: the problem is there is no place to put overrides in a nearly empty default xorg.conf |
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| 11:14.50 | misfire | tomodachi ... under /proc/sys ... i can disable icmp alltogether under icmp_echo_ignore_all |
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| 11:15.23 | misfire | if i am going to limit icmp request ... I should do it inside my iptables ? |
| 11:15.24 | jelly | misfire: uh, "icmp echo" is not all of icmp. |
| 11:16.00 | monkey_d_luffy | I plugged in an USB flash drive and my kde autorun popup didn't show up. I'm using KDE 3.5. dmseg shows the device is detected! cat /proc/bus/usb shows the device! I've also restarted udev and hal, no change! I've also updated pmount to 0.9.19! What is the problem? What is the "glue" between debian and kde that is now broken??? |
| 11:16.06 | misfire | jelly .. that will prevent it from responding to ping request .. ? |
| 11:16.12 | jelly | misfire: yes. |
| 11:16.39 | monkey_d_luffy | lshal --monitor also shows the device |
| 11:16.41 | jelly | misfire: (well, if if does what its name suggests; I haven't tried it personally) |
| 11:16.41 | monkey_d_luffy | :/ |
| 11:16.41 | beardy | It's a silly thing to put effort on really.. |
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| 11:17.09 | misfire | jelly, tomodachi .. the right way is to disbale pin request and limit icmp to prevent ddos ? |
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| 11:17.30 | beardy | Eulex: #debian.se lives again btw, feel welcome |
| 11:17.33 | misfire | disbale => disable |
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| 11:18.33 | Spectre | Where is debian list of mirrors file? |
| 11:18.37 | mosno | why does tightvncserver listen on both 0.0.0.0 and 127.0.0.1 when i pass the "-localhost" option? |
| 11:18.54 | mosno | i don't want the 0.0.0.0 |
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| 11:20.23 | mosno | this is on Lenny |
| 11:20.29 | Spectre | Where is debian list of mirrors file? |
| 11:20.36 | beardy | !repeat |
| 11:20.36 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:20.41 | beardy | !mirrors |
| 11:20.41 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 11:20.58 | Spectre | but I wanna know where on my computer :/ |
| 11:21.14 | nsadmin | Spectre maybe you don't have one on yhour computer |
| 11:21.39 | nsadmin | but the mirrors you actually use now are in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:21.50 | Spectre | thanks |
| 11:22.19 | _coredump_ | Spectre, a long time ago there was apt-setup to set your mirror. |
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| 11:22.38 | _coredump_ | dunno why its no longer available |
| 11:23.38 | mageshcse | hi geeks |
| 11:23.46 | mageshcse | iam new to DEBIAN |
| 11:24.26 | nsadmin | starts a pool on the number of hours it takes for someone to respond to mageshcse |
| 11:24.30 | nsadmin | I bet 8 |
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| 11:25.16 | mosno | is tempted to make nsadmin lose a bit, but thinks the better of it |
| 11:25.20 | mosno | s/bit/bet/ |
| 11:25.25 | mageshcse | i am not able to mount my ntfs partition |
| 11:25.57 | mageshcse | in other distros the ntfs partitions are mounted automatically with making entries in the fstab |
| 11:26.04 | mageshcse | any help please...! |
| 11:26.06 | nsadmin | mosno: yer welcome to it... think of my comment as a social experiment |
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| 11:27.18 | phix | why? ---> sudo modprobe ath_pci |
| 11:27.19 | phix | FATAL: Error inserting ath_pci (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/ath_pci.ko): Invalid argument |
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| 11:28.20 | phix | I have this is /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi --> options ath_pci autocreate ap |
| 11:28.29 | phix | oh and blacklist ath5k |
| 11:28.47 | phix | I made the modules using sudo m-a a-i madwifi |
| 11:28.53 | phix | I am using lenny |
| 11:29.14 | nsadmin | phix: perhaps the invalid argument is autocreate or ap or both |
| 11:29.20 | phix | The Lenny Kernel too --> 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:29.29 | phix | nsadmin: yes well modinfo tells me it is valid |
| 11:29.42 | phix | nsadmin: it loads (but in managed mode) if I comment that option line out |
| 11:29.50 | Panarchy | has a point to ask about |
| 11:29.52 | phix | but I want it to start up in ap mode by default |
| 11:30.09 | nsadmin | try removing it and see if it works then |
| 11:30.23 | phix | modinfo ath_pci | grep autocreate |
| 11:30.24 | phix | parm: autocreate:Create ath device in [sta|ap|wds|adhoc|ahdemo|monitor] mode. defaults to sta, use 'none' to disable (charp) |
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| 11:30.42 | phix | nsadmin: it does work / loads if I remove that line, but it is not in AP / master mode then |
| 11:30.49 | Panarchy | What tool can I use to find similarities of file-names within two different folders? |
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| 11:31.29 | phix | Panarchy: fdupe? |
| 11:31.42 | phix | Panarchy: that does more than just filename comparison though |
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| 11:31.53 | phix | it does size and other things too |
| 11:31.56 | Panarchy | How do I use it? |
| 11:32.01 | phix | man fdupe |
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| 11:32.27 | phix | sorry, fdupes |
| 11:32.37 | phix | sudo apt-get install fdupes; man fdupes |
| 11:32.55 | phix | assuming you have sudo setup :P or does Lenny do that by default now? |
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| 11:33.14 | phix | I added that in my Sarge config :) |
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| 11:38.29 | sts | hello folks! |
| 11:39.15 | p0g0 | phix, iirc, you need an = between the "autocreate" and the "ap" |
| 11:39.44 | sts | when i want to setup an ipsec vpn tunnel with ike, which is the recommended implementation to use? |
| 11:40.00 | sts | and ... does anybody know a good tutorial? |
| 11:40.10 | p0g0 | phix: viz http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/autocreate |
| 11:41.04 | mosno | ok, Lenny's vnc4server package also ignores the "-localhost" option -- what am i doing wrong here? |
| 11:41.17 | mosno | i'm just invoking: vncserver -localhost :1 |
| 11:41.39 | mosno | but i'm seeing the inovked process listen on both 0.0.0.0 and 127.0.0.1 |
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| 11:43.46 | phix | p0g0: you didnt have to in sarge |
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| 11:44.03 | unow | is it possible to load Debian to ram on boot? |
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| 11:45.44 | p0g0 | mosno: have you tried x11vnc? It works pretty well for me. |
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| 11:49.10 | zand | after changing /etc/network/interfaces, what's the best way to get debian to use the new settings? (I've changed from using dhcp for eth0 to static settings); /etc/init.d/networking restart and ifconfig eth0 down and then up both don't get it to use the new settings |
| 11:49.47 | jelly | zand: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0; though, it's better to ifdown while the old settings are still present |
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| 11:50.11 | jelly | zand: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" should have done it, though |
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| 11:50.27 | zand | hmm, it's not updating :( |
| 11:50.39 | jelly | zand: what do you mean? |
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| 11:50.44 | zand | ifdown eth0 tells me eth0 is not configured |
| 11:50.52 | jelly | and ifup? |
| 11:50.55 | Ergo^ | hello, im trying to get some scripts run on system boot as specific user ? whats the best way to do that ? |
| 11:50.56 | zand | I tried ifup eth0 anyway; the old IP settings are still there |
| 11:51.15 | zzattack | hi, I installed the libapache2-mod-gnutls package and when apache restarts I get Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_gnutls.so: undefined symbol: gnutls_malloc |
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| 11:51.23 | jelly | zand: is a dhcp client process still running? ps -fe |grep dhc |
| 11:51.30 | zand | it was, I kiled it |
| 11:51.46 | jelly | was there any error message from ifup? |
| 11:52.16 | zand | no |
| 11:52.36 | zand | I have fixed it now! I changed "allow-hotplug" to "auto" in interfaces and restarted networking again, and it works |
| 11:53.06 | jelly | I always forget about that. |
| 11:53.21 | zand | not sure what allow-hotplug does but it's usually annoying :) |
| 11:54.17 | jelly | zand: man interfaces; ifup --allow=hotplug eth0 might have worked |
| 11:54.28 | Panarchy | fdupe didn't work :( |
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| 11:57.06 | DonAlex | Afternoon Guys.. |
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| 11:58.01 | unow | g'day |
| 11:58.27 | DragoraN | hi guys |
| 11:58.28 | DonAlex | Anyone know how I can cure this dma_timeout_request 0x21 error? |
| 11:59.26 | bolt-work | DonAlex: try another cable. has fixed it for me a couple of times |
| 11:59.32 | DragoraN | i need some tool how to boot DBAN (boot and nuke) via PXE and launch it automatically, we are decomissioning PC's in office, about 200 PC's |
| 11:59.39 | DragoraN | can anyone recommend something? |
| 11:59.43 | bolt-work | DonAlex: or new kernel, if available |
| 11:59.53 | mosno | p0g0: no, i haven't. i will try it if i can't get vnc4/tight working, thanks. i prefer launching a fresh X server instead of connecting to the existing one tho |
| 11:59.54 | DonAlex | bolt-work: Ahhh love to .. cept this is a CF slot and Lexar USMA card |
| 11:59.55 | rhsanborn | I have samba sharing a folder on an external drive formatted as ext3. It's shared over a wireless connection, but it's still unreasonably slow (550KB or 4400Kb/sec). It's a G router, I expect something in the ballpark of 40ish Mb. |
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| 12:00.32 | DonAlex | bolt-work: Well I am using the Debian 5 netinst and it is doing it right out of the box.. |
| 12:00.46 | bolt-work | DonAlex: hm.. noe clue then. |
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| 12:01.07 | DonAlex | bolt-work: what is particularly irritating though is when booting with expert ide=nodma.. it seems to still try and probe the DMA anyways |
| 12:01.48 | DonAlex | bolt-work: Have to wonder where it is getting that idea from.. makes the kernel-parameters.txt look like a load of bunkum. |
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| 12:04.20 | DonAlex | bolt-work: ya think that could be a bug in the Debian install? Not passing on kernel parameters? |
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| 12:05.56 | bolt-work | DonAlex: the parameter could have been changed. are you sure the card acts like ide in the first place? |
| 12:06.18 | bolt-work | DonAlex: have you tried disabling dma with hdparm? |
| 12:07.03 | DonAlex | bolt-work: Yeah works fine after the faq.. just a pain in the butt when it takes 90 seconds to clear a boot.. |
| 12:07.26 | phix | p0g0: ok it worked, thnax <3 |
| 12:07.30 | DonAlex | bolt-work: Don't spose you know if they have changed to using libata by default in Debian? |
| 12:07.39 | DonAlex | bolt-work: I know Ubuntu seem to have.. |
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| 12:07.59 | DonAlex | bolt-work: might be me worth putting those params in |
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| 12:09.05 | p0g0 | phix: yw. |
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| 12:09.51 | phix | p0g0: you know how to change IRQs for PCI devices? |
| 12:09.53 | phix | :) |
| 12:10.09 | phix | I want to dedicate an IRQ to a particular device (I dont want it shared by anything else) |
| 12:10.31 | phix | as I get this error with my TDM card --> [98171.577056] wctdm24xxp0: Missed interrupt. Increasing latency to 15 ms in order to compensate. |
| 12:10.43 | p0g0 | phix: it can be nigh tricky, depending on your BIOS & setup. |
| 12:10.50 | phix | and then my analog phone system goes down (no dial tone) |
| 12:11.07 | streuner | did you try to change the device on the mobo itself? |
| 12:11.13 | phix | p0g0: I can reserve IRQs to PCI devices, but it doesn't let me specify a slot |
| 12:11.21 | streuner | that would sometimes change the irq too... |
| 12:11.24 | p0g0 | phix: ahh, that's something I saw once long ago, but my tdm400 never misses an intererupt |
| 12:11.27 | phix | streuner: yes I did |
| 12:11.33 | streuner | hm |
| 12:11.55 | phix | streuner: I turned apic off too, that half worked, but it is still sharing with my USB and wireless card, so if I use any of those the TDM card borks up |
| 12:12.18 | phix | it doesnt work at all with acpi on |
| 12:12.20 | phix | apic even |
| 12:12.29 | p0g0 | phix: that message tells me the interupt went fine, it was the interupt service that failed. |
| 12:12.30 | phix | (not acpi) |
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| 12:12.55 | phix | p0g0: well can I increase priority to a device then? |
| 12:12.58 | p0g0 | phix: what kernel, what motherboard? |
| 12:13.00 | streuner | phix: cat /proc/version |
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| 12:13.16 | phix | Lenny kernel --> Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-13) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 |
| 12:13.41 | phix | ASUS A7V400-MX SE |
| 12:13.55 | phix | all in one mobo, 3 PCI slots |
| 12:14.33 | phix | I mean I could start disabling onboard PCI devices but I don't want to do that |
| 12:14.57 | p0g0 | phix: I have had the best success on my nehemiah * box with pre-lenny-is-stable i386, taking care that the kernel is configured right (needs generic x86 set, so there are no long no-ops {or so I have been told}). |
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| 12:16.05 | phix | p0g0: it is generic enough the i686 kernel in lenny right? |
| 12:16.07 | p0g0 | phix: most boards init the pci from one end to the other, that is, the slot closes to the power supply (usually) is initialized first, and then in order across the board. |
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| 12:16.57 | phix | p0g0: I have a netowkr card in slot one, but that is shared with my internal network card too --> 10: 9417511 XT-PIC-XT uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, eth1, eth0 11: 99347599 XT-PIC-XT sata_via, uhci_hcd:usb3, uhci_hcd:usb4, ehci_hcd:usb5, VIA8237, wctdm24xxp0, wifi0 |
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| 12:17.05 | phix | that is from /proc/interupts |
| 12:17.09 | p0g0 | phix: I have not had any acpi errors, but I am still sorting out a dysfunction I have with the new Lenny-is-stable (v5), and so I cannot assure you on that count. |
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| 12:18.15 | p0g0 | phix: phix: anyway, what I am getting at is for you to try moving the TDM card. It probably won't help, but it might re-arrange things. |
| 12:18.15 | phix | I can reserve more IRQs for PCI devices in the BIOS, I might try that, which IRQs are safe to reserve? 7 and 9? |
| 12:18.46 | phix | p0g0: I tried that, and also pulling out all cards, but it still shares IRQs with onboard devices |
| 12:18.52 | phix | I dont really want to disable them |
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| 12:19.44 | phix | I mean I am sure I can get it working if I disable everything, but then I wont be able to connect it to the Internet, so that would be pointless |
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| 12:22.44 | Panarchy | ended up doing it manually, just finished |
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| 12:24.35 | p0g0 | phix: Have you tried both on/off BIOS settings for plug&play aware OS (that's usually who ti's phrased in the BIOS)? |
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| 12:25.23 | phix | p0g0: I havn't tried setting plug and play aware BIOS to on |
| 12:25.29 | phix | it is set to off atm |
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| 12:25.51 | phix | if I set it to off is there any guarantee that Linux will do the right thing? |
| 12:26.06 | phix | set it to on even |
| 12:26.17 | p0g0 | phix: give that a go, it should re-arrange the irq settings, and may improve them. |
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| 12:31.06 | phix | well that was fun |
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| 12:31.26 | phix | netwrk stalled / froze for a bit and I saw this in dmesg --> http://rafb.net/p/0PWX3711.html |
| 12:31.27 | p0g0 | phix: new and exciting data? |
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| 12:31.42 | phix | p0g0: should I enable or disable APIC? |
| 12:31.55 | phix | I have noapic in my grub boot up option thingy atm |
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| 12:32.58 | p0g0 | phix: take that back out- the stuck beacon on wifi0 is often a dma latencie bug...something in your interrupt chain sux bigtime, afaict. |
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| 12:41.45 | myeggo | hello, someone know a way to create a html file with all directories and files in a certain directory? |
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| 12:43.03 | OpenTokix | +Indexes ? |
| 12:44.09 | myeggo | if possible |
| 12:44.54 | OpenTokix | just add +Indexes on the directory in question |
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| 12:55.08 | phix | p0g0: how can I find out what is fucking me up? |
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| 12:59.28 | Panarchy | If anyone has the time, please help me plan my distribution: #panarchy |
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| 13:02.29 | jelly | more distributions! yay! |
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| 13:02.50 | SerajewelKS | if all the effort that's put into peripheral distributions went into other projects, desktop linux would be so much more kick-ass |
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| 13:03.17 | SerajewelKS | obviously, if people want to work on new distros that's what they'll do |
| 13:03.41 | themill | jelly: you so don't want to go there. His todo list is (1) build a debian-derivative that is "focused on security" (whatever that means) (2) design my business card ... (10) learn how to program. |
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| 13:04.33 | jelly | themill: at least he's got the priorities straight |
| 13:04.35 | themill | He normally ends up +b in either #debian or #debian-mentors because he won't accept the advice that bastardising dpkg and apt is not the way to make a livecd. http://panarchy.wordpress.com/ |
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| 13:05.18 | jelly | SerajewelKS: if people wanted to put effort into "desktop linux", they would... |
| 13:05.21 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: I don't think that's the case at all. You'd get a limited number of distributions that meet a small number of people's needs. But the reason that there are so many distros is that people want to do different things with Linux. I don't think you want the guys who think everything should done at the command line making decisions on how configuration should be on Ubuntu. Let them have their own distro. |
| 13:05.28 | jelly | ... join ubuntu MOTU :-) |
| 13:05.55 | SerajewelKS | jelly: of course, not arguing against that |
| 13:06.08 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: i disagree completely with your premise |
| 13:06.09 | maligor | there's as many ideal desktops as there are users |
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| 13:06.34 | jelly | maligor: so we need to cull the number of users. |
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| 13:07.20 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: there are so many distros because a lot of people think it's fun to maintain one |
| 13:07.42 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: or because it's profitable in some sectors. you forget about those two other groups. |
| 13:08.08 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: I think the distros that stick around and are well formed exist because they serve a purpose. A TON of distros are created, a significantly smaller number are broadly adopted. |
| 13:08.09 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: further, people who like doing stuff on the CLI can code CLI apps that integrate with other stuff |
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| 13:08.35 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: correct, but that doesn't mean that there are so many distros because people want to do different things |
| 13:08.51 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: it means that the distros that stuck do useful things. two completely different arguments. |
| 13:09.16 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: I think in the end, I think the majority of development goes toward the established packages and distributions |
| 13:09.24 | SerajewelKS | i daresay no distribution or free software project was ever created with a primary goal to be useful |
| 13:09.27 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: even if there is a lot of try and fail with new distros |
| 13:09.36 | SerajewelKS | they were all started because someone thought it would be fun |
| 13:09.52 | SerajewelKS | (exceptions in the cases of projects started by for-profit companies) |
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| 13:10.29 | scientes | how do i reset locales? |
| 13:10.43 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: hmmm...we'd have to do a broad survey, but I think a lot of them were started because generic_guy thought that wireless config was too complicated and wrote an app to unify configuration. A useful project, if only for himself. |
| 13:10.44 | maligor | Well.. we'll just have to nominate SerajewelKS as Dictator Linux |
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| 13:12.11 | maligor | democracy is where people always pull in every possible direction |
| 13:12.27 | jelly | SerajewelKS: "our priorities are _our users_ and free software"? |
| 13:12.57 | SerajewelKS | jelly: this is from what? |
| 13:13.01 | jelly | k, you're targeting initial creation goals |
| 13:13.08 | maligor | albeit it's not exactly a democracy, more like a anarchistic community of small dictatorships or democracies |
| 13:13.10 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: sure, and for fun |
| 13:13.16 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: agreed |
| 13:13.31 | SerajewelKS | jelly: right. after a few months/years it's not for fun anymore, it's more or less snowballed. |
| 13:13.33 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: They wouldn't work on it if it wasn't fun. A reason that a lot of projects are poorly documented :P |
| 13:13.40 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: right |
| 13:13.44 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: linux distros are no exception |
| 13:13.53 | jelly | SerajewelKS: quote from Debian Social Contract |
| 13:14.12 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: Also agreed, I just don't think there is a way you could convince everyone to get behind a unified desktop push, etc. |
| 13:14.32 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: oh, i never said i could |
| 13:14.54 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: i was giving my opinion on the quantity of work being performed, not suggesting it was a plausible undertaking |
| 13:15.37 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: aye. If only opensource devs were like assignable employees :P Unfortunately, then there would have to be someone who decides what they work on, and they would inevitably leave some other aspect behind. If it was a desktop push the VM/Server/whatever people would be left behind, etc. |
| 13:15.48 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: I think that there is a lot of duplicate and wasted effort in this model |
| 13:16.01 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: but in the end it works out just about as well as it could ever work out. |
| 13:16.17 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: even if it is 'perfect' |
| 13:16.18 | unow | is it possible to load Debian to ram on boot? |
| 13:16.21 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: for sure. the state of linux today is far from the clusterfuck people seem to think it is. |
| 13:16.23 | rhsanborn | jsn't |
| 13:16.36 | rhsanborn | <-- going to stop trying to correct himself. |
| 13:16.41 | SerajewelKS | unow: the kernel is loaded to ram... which parts did you want loaded to ram? |
| 13:16.56 | unow | the whole shebang, like a live cd |
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| 13:17.22 | unow | like "toram" |
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| 13:18.51 | nick108 | I'm trying to delete a large number of files based on the date of creation |
| 13:19.03 | nick108 | using find with exec rm does not work (argument list too long) |
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| 13:19.27 | nick108 | someone suggested using SED, but I'm not sure how SED would achieve that |
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| 13:19.42 | rhsanborn | nick108: let me go look up a query I use for that... |
| 13:20.21 | SerajewelKS | unow: uhm, why not just use a live cd then? |
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| 13:20.52 | SerajewelKS | nick108: the argument list to find is too long? |
| 13:20.54 | unow | thats not a solution to my answer |
| 13:21.15 | SerajewelKS | nick108: find -exec spawns the command once for each file, it doesn't queue them up |
| 13:21.23 | SerajewelKS | unow: it's a solution, it's just not the solution you want apparently |
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| 13:21.36 | SerajewelKS | nick108: unless you have a weird-ass find |
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| 13:22.06 | naiv | is it possible at any time, to move the /var/ mount point to another partition ? |
| 13:22.22 | nick108 | SerajewelKS: the find command already has problems, I have 750MB of JPEG files in that folder |
| 13:22.22 | SerajewelKS | naiv: sure |
| 13:22.32 | unow | Right, may I rephrase: is it possible to load a HDD-install of Debian to ram on boot. |
| 13:22.48 | SerajewelKS | nick108: find should not run into any issues with any amount of stuff, it may run slow but it should work |
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| 13:23.13 | naiv | SerajewelKS, do you know if this procedure have a special name or keywords, so i can find a tutorial ? |
| 13:23.15 | nick108 | I'm using find /path/to/folder/* -mtime +180 |
| 13:23.28 | nick108 | which results in bash: /usr/bin/find: Argument list too long |
| 13:23.29 | SerajewelKS | nick108: ah, there is your issue |
| 13:23.40 | SerajewelKS | nick108: the shell is globbing the * for you, and expanding it |
| 13:23.49 | SerajewelKS | nick108: find /path/to/folder -mtime +180 -type f |
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| 13:24.14 | debian_noob | Hi.I have a p |
| 13:24.43 | debian_noob | Hi i have a problem with my printer.its not working |
| 13:24.43 | nick108 | SerajewelKS: awesome! thx for the pointer |
| 13:24.58 | SerajewelKS | nick108: np |
| 13:25.03 | debian_noob | its not being detected in hp-setup |
| 13:25.15 | rhsanborn | I can't find it. I think it's something to the effect of find parameters -print0 | xargs -0 command I wouldn't stand behind that though, it's been a while and I can't find it in history. |
| 13:25.31 | naiv | debian_noob, printer name, driver ? |
| 13:25.41 | debian_noob | HP Laserjet 6L |
| 13:25.45 | nick108 | SerajewelKS: works like a charm like so |
| 13:25.56 | nick108 | -mtime +180 -type f -delete |
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| 13:26.06 | SerajewelKS | nick108: sweet :) |
| 13:26.11 | jelly | there's a -delete? |
| 13:26.25 | nick108 | yuppers |
| 13:26.25 | jelly | must be a GNU thing |
| 13:26.45 | SerajewelKS | jelly: no shit, i've been using find for about two years, read the entire manpage, and still somehow missed it until nick108 mentioned it |
| 13:26.55 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i usually use -exec rm -fv {} \; |
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| 13:27.07 | jelly | I favor -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 13:27.08 | nick108 | SerajewelKS: glad I could help :-) |
| 13:27.33 | jelly | SerajewelKS: never learned the -exec syntax, in fact |
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| 13:27.52 | SerajewelKS | jelly: not too bad, {} is replaced with the file, and a ; (quoted to \;) terminates the command |
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| 13:28.09 | SerajewelKS | jelly: of course xargs works too |
| 13:28.09 | jelly | I mean... ; ... srsly |
| 13:28.27 | SerajewelKS | i find using a smaller pipeline cleaner in most cases |
| 13:28.36 | rhsanborn | jelly, SerajewelKS, rm isn't the only one that can't handle huge lists. I use the -print0 method with things like grep, etc. We have folders with 100-200k files that occasionally need grepping |
| 13:28.37 | jelly | I hate escaping |
| 13:29.05 | jelly | rhsanborn: as if anyone's ever going to read those mails! |
| 13:29.12 | naiv | debian_noob, i don't know what hp-setup is. I have a HP and i use CUPS with HPIJS. did you read that ? http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_6L |
| 13:29.13 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: most of the time that's because of the 32k character limit |
| 13:29.38 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: xargs, by default i think, tries to run the command with all its arguments at once |
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| 13:29.40 | jelly | my zsh has a 256KB cmdline limit |
| 13:29.50 | rhsanborn | jelly, actually, they are electronically fed documents to a document imaging system. Every once in a while, one gets lost, or we have to prove that we never got it, etc. |
| 13:29.51 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i thought 32k was imposed by the kernel |
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| 13:30.03 | rhsanborn | the nasty onces are when we have to reconcile :P |
| 13:30.05 | rhsanborn | ones * |
| 13:30.13 | jelly | SerajewelKS: there're more OSes than Linux! |
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| 13:30.44 | rhsanborn | jelly, indeed, my find/greps are run on Windows via Cygwin :P |
| 13:31.03 | jelly | um, right, that's what I meant :-) |
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| 13:31.17 | SerajewelKS | jelly: right, that's why you're in #debian :P |
| 13:31.26 | SerajewelKS | jelly: or are you one of those weird debian/hurd people |
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| 13:33.01 | jelly | uname -a: CYGWIN_NT-5.2 backup 1.5.24(0.156/4/2) 2007-01-31 10:57 i686 Cygwin |
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| 13:33.33 | jelly | with sshd running, it's a cozy little system |
| 13:33.45 | xjunior | how to get the latest debian packages on debian? |
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| 13:34.10 | OpenTokix | xjunior: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:34.16 | jelly | aptitude* |
| 13:34.24 | SerajewelKS | jelly: my only use for windows for some years has been gaming |
| 13:34.25 | xjunior | OpenTokix, really latest |
| 13:34.41 | rhsanborn | We use it only because Cygwin is a pretty complete maintenance package. I can probably find apps that do most of the things that are included by default in GNU packages do, for windows. But I'd be installing 100 apps to handle everything, and they wouldnt work very well together. |
| 13:34.48 | jelly | xjunior: that'll update your installation |
| 13:34.57 | rhsanborn | SerajewelKS: some of us have it imposed on us... |
| 13:35.01 | xjunior | OpenTokix, gnome 2.24 |
| 13:35.11 | SerajewelKS | rhsanborn: sure, i do too at work |
| 13:35.35 | xjunior | I just switched to unstable, but, even there, the latest is 2.22 |
| 13:35.38 | SerajewelKS | my primary task on my windows box is to ssh to the linuk server and maintain it |
| 13:35.44 | SerajewelKS | how ass-backwards is that |
| 13:35.47 | SerajewelKS | linux* |
| 13:36.01 | SerajewelKS | !info gnome-core unstable |
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| 13:36.18 | jelly | SerajewelKS: judd is new and faster, |
| 13:36.26 | jelly | judd: versions gnome-core |
| 13:36.31 | judd | jelly: gnome-core -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6 lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 squeeze: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 |
| 13:36.32 | rhsanborn | The app I support is Windows only with an MSSQL backend. The university from which I'm getting my masters sold out for free MS licensing across the board, and so I'm stuck with Windows on my laptop for school too. |
| 13:36.46 | jelly | xjunior: in short, it's not there yet |
| 13:36.47 | dpkg | gnome-core: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.22.2~5 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 13:36.51 | SerajewelKS | jelly: nice |
| 13:36.56 | prem | hi to all, i am compiling libdpfp-0.2.2 in lenny but it showing error as usb.h not found |
| 13:37.03 | xjunior | jelly, experimental is more unstable that unstable? |
| 13:37.12 | SerajewelKS | prem: packages.debian.org |
| 13:37.19 | SerajewelKS | prem: bottom box, search for usb.h |
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| 13:37.22 | jelly | xjunior: experimental can be completely unusable, yes |
| 13:37.31 | xjunior | hummmm |
| 13:37.51 | prem | SerajewelKS, i installed linux-headers which contain this then as well i am getting same error |
| 13:37.53 | xjunior | jelly, do you know some non-official repository that is recommended ? |
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| 13:38.02 | jelly | xjunior: if you wish to report and fix breakage in debian, use unstable and perhaps experimental for selected few packages; if you're not up to that task, wait |
| 13:38.24 | jelly | xjunior: I trust no unofficial repositories, sorry |
| 13:38.27 | SerajewelKS | prem: then the makefile is screwed, fix it |
| 13:38.35 | prem | SerajewelKS, how to add extra library path in makefile ? |
| 13:38.45 | SerajewelKS | prem: depends on the makefile |
| 13:38.57 | xjunior | jelly, ok, thank you ;) |
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| 13:39.11 | jelly | xjunior: (well, I somewhat trust backports.org and debian-multimedia.org, but they don't carry gnome) |
| 13:39.19 | noob | naiv:what printer do you have? |
| 13:39.22 | prem | i tried with CFLAGS=-I/usr/src/linux/include |
| 13:39.29 | prem | but not working.. |
| 13:39.51 | prem | still say usb.h not found |
| 13:39.56 | naiv | noob: why mind ? |
| 13:40.28 | noob | naiv:because my printers not bieng detected in cups |
| 13:40.57 | jelly | prem: what are you trying to build? |
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| 13:41.24 | prem | jelly, libdpfp-0.2.2 driver |
| 13:41.25 | koolini | My PC restarted when I wasn't near it. Is there a log file that might show details about the cause of the restart? |
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| 13:41.57 | fireba11 | koolini: probably |
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| 13:42.10 | valdyn | koolini: and unlikely |
| 13:42.25 | jelly | prem: does it contain a kernel module? You'll need build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed |
| 13:42.45 | prem | jelly, i have installed both |
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| 13:43.09 | naiv | noob, i have an officejet |
| 13:43.17 | noob | ok |
| 13:43.26 | jelly | prem: also, install apt-file, do an apt-file update and then an apt-file search /usb.h |
| 13:43.26 | prem | jelly, while compiling it is not searching library from headers |
| 13:43.42 | noob | naiv:theres no option for laserjet 6l. :-( |
| 13:43.46 | jelly | judd: find /usb.h |
| 13:43.47 | judd | jelly: Error: "find" is not a valid command. |
| 13:43.51 | jelly | judd: you suck |
| 13:43.52 | judd | jelly: Error: "you" is not a valid command. |
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| 13:44.10 | xjunior | jelly, in the past, I used to use an unofficial repository, but I forgot it's name. It was widely used by the community, don't you know some that is "famous" ? |
| 13:44.18 | naiv | noob, did you install all the drivers ? |
| 13:44.51 | jelly | xjunior: not me |
| 13:44.57 | noob | naiv:which drivers? |
| 13:44.59 | valdyn | !tell prem -about search |
| 13:45.02 | xjunior | someone else? |
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| 13:45.57 | naiv | noob: Recommended driver: ljet4 |
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| 13:46.56 | noob | naiv:theres no option for parallel port in CUPS |
| 13:46.57 | koolini | I suspect there was a very short electrical blackout , but I'm not sure. I just want to verify it wasn't a software failure. |
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| 13:47.59 | jelly | prem: or better, search for include/usb.h |
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| 13:48.25 | prem | jelly, ok i am trying..let you know.. |
| 13:49.02 | naiv | noob: apt ifhp (maybe it will help). my printer isn't recognized by. I must install packet "hpoj" which make a virtual port |
| 13:49.55 | noob | You use parport? |
| 13:49.56 | naiv | noob: install hpoj, it might detect your printer (plug it and power on) |
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| 13:50.24 | noob | ive already done that |
| 13:50.39 | naiv | noob, did hopj detected your printer ? |
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| 13:51.00 | noob | wait |
| 13:51.21 | noob | i installed it but it says command not found |
| 13:51.49 | naiv | dpkg-reconfigure hpoj |
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| 13:52.22 | noob | no deviaces found |
| 13:52.24 | ebilpanda | how do I get the debian win32-installer(from goodbye-microsoft.com) to use a locally stored ISO image instead of downloading one from the net? replacing the URL with the file path doesn't work. |
| 13:52.55 | noob | no devices found |
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| 13:53.31 | noob | but that is for officejet printers |
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| 13:54.04 | ebilpanda | uhh I think the proper app name is win32-loader and not win32-installer |
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| 13:54.32 | noob | right |
| 13:54.48 | naiv | noob, sorry i can't help then |
| 13:54.52 | noob | ok |
| 13:54.55 | noob | no prob |
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| 13:55.41 | noob | naiv:actually last time i had this problem,i installed hplip but it didnt work .after installing foomatic it worked |
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| 14:06.15 | jelly | prem: you should get a "libusb-dev" as a result :-) |
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| 14:06.50 | ]SYM[ | how can I simple install a timesync tool on debian=? |
| 14:06.54 | ]SYM[ | any recommandations? |
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| 14:07.12 | OpenTokix | ]SYM[: like ntp? |
| 14:07.12 | ]SYM[ | supersimple install recommand :> |
| 14:07.17 | ]SYM[ | for example |
| 14:07.23 | OpenTokix | apt-get install ntp |
| 14:07.26 | ]SYM[ | apt-get install ntp? and I am done? |
| 14:07.28 | ]SYM[ | ah |
| 14:07.30 | ]SYM[ | :> |
| 14:07.43 | ]SYM[ | no config or *.conf stuff to do? |
| 14:08.01 | jelly | ]SYM[: if you have internet connectivity, no |
| 14:08.07 | jelly | !ntp |
| 14:08.08 | dpkg | it has been said that ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
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| 14:09.28 | SerajewelKS | !nickometer ]SYM[ |
| 14:09.29 | dpkg | ']SYM[' is 64.000% lame, serajewelks |
| 14:09.32 | SerajewelKS | ducks |
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| 14:10.20 | ]SYM[ | !nickometer [SYM] |
| 14:10.21 | dpkg | '[SYM]' is 29.000% lame, ]sym[ |
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| 14:10.25 | ]SYM[ | aha! |
| 14:10.33 | [SYM] | then I use this one :> |
| 14:11.11 | jelly | now 35% less cal^H^H^H^H lame! |
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| 14:11.49 | [SYM] | !nickometer debian |
| 14:11.50 | dpkg | 'debian' is 0.000% lame, [sym] |
| 14:11.56 | [SYM] | haha :> |
| 14:12.02 | noob | !nickometer debian_noob |
| 14:12.03 | dpkg | 'debian_noob' is 14.000% lame, noob |
| 14:12.11 | [SYM] | !ntp |
| 14:12.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 14:12.17 | noob | !nickometer dpkg |
| 14:12.18 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, noob |
| 14:12.26 | abrotman | lay off the damn bot |
| 14:12.30 | jelly | !tell [SYM] -about msg the bot |
| 14:12.56 | noob | abrotman:Why?Because you created it? |
| 14:12.57 | jelly | dpkg: you're fired |
| 14:12.57 | dpkg | i don't know, jelly |
| 14:13.08 | jelly | abrotman: didn't work. |
| 14:13.09 | abrotman | noob: because i'm telling you |
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| 14:13.41 | noob | abrotman:Ok.BTW cool bot you created.;-) |
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| 14:13.57 | datacrusher | aheuahuehaue |
| 14:14.02 | datacrusher | !nickometer datacrusher |
| 14:14.04 | dpkg | 'datacrusher' is 0.000% lame, datacrusher |
| 14:14.15 | abrotman | STOP |
| 14:14.20 | datacrusher | how cute |
| 14:14.47 | [SYM] | no special chars = 0% lame ... easy algorithm |
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| 14:15.11 | datacrusher | sorry for the bot bothering |
| 14:15.28 | SerajewelKS | does lvm2 support a raid5-type setup? |
| 14:15.45 | nibbler_ | !nickometer gwbush |
| 14:15.46 | dpkg | 'gwbush' is 0.000% lame, nibbler_ |
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| 14:16.10 | abrotman | nibbler_: msg the damn bot .. |
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| 14:16.22 | abrotman | this is getting really old, quit flooding the channel with bot S&G |
| 14:16.23 | noob | Yeah dont do it publicly |
| 14:17.15 | homecable | where do i find etch at ? |
| 14:17.21 | abrotman | homecable: the CDs ? |
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| 14:17.34 | homecable | i cant find it on the ftp |
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| 14:17.50 | abrotman | !cd archive |
| 14:17.50 | dpkg | A repository of older(unsupported) CD images can be found at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 14:17.50 | noob | homecable:use lenny |
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| 14:18.22 | noob | homecable:Why do you need etch? |
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| 14:18.55 | homecable | because the souce.lst cant find any packages in lenny |
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| 14:19.15 | noob | homecable:whats your sources.list? |
| 14:19.19 | noob | paste it |
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| 14:19.38 | homecable | its missing the packages part |
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| 14:20.13 | homecable | only has the security ones |
| 14:20.18 | noob | try deb ftp://ftp.nara.wide.ad.jp/debian lenny main contrib nonfree |
| 14:20.37 | noob | and deb-src ftp://ftp.nara.wide.ad.jp/debian lenny main contrib nonfree |
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| 14:20.52 | UniCore_ | hello |
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| 14:21.04 | [kabotage] | umm hi. i got a question |
| 14:21.06 | noob | !greet unicore_ |
| 14:21.07 | dpkg | Hello, unicore_ |
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| 14:21.30 | abrotman | noob: seriously? |
| 14:21.38 | [kabotage] | cat /etc/issue says Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid \n \l |
| 14:21.41 | UniCore_ | I've problems with eclipse on debian amd64 |
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| 14:21.53 | abrotman | [kabotage]: and? |
| 14:21.56 | noob | abrotman:Seriously what?? |
| 14:22.02 | UniCore_ | I'm reinstalling it, but I don't know if that will be the solution |
| 14:22.19 | [kabotage] | but when i try lsb_release -rd it was Description: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 (lenny) |
| 14:22.23 | [kabotage] | :O |
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| 14:22.32 | UniCore_ | I've changed the repository list by the official of debian lenny |
| 14:22.37 | abrotman | [kabotage]: they may not have updated it yet |
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| 14:22.38 | noob | abrotman:??? |
| 14:23.56 | [kabotage] | so which one am i using? |
| 14:24.42 | jelly | [kabotage]: you're using the one your /etc/apt/sources.list points to |
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| 14:25.44 | [kabotage] | jelly: ahh thanks |
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| 14:33.25 | YAA1 | !info slapd |
| 14:33.29 | dpkg | slapd: (OpenLDAP server (slapd)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.15-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1416 kB, Installed size: 3728 kB |
| 14:33.47 | YAA1 | !info slapd etch |
| 14:33.56 | YAA1 | !info slapd lenny |
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| 14:34.28 | dpkg | slapd: (OpenLDAP server (slapd)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.30-5+etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 1146 kB, Installed size: 3100 kB |
| 14:34.42 | dpkg | slapd: (OpenLDAP server (slapd)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.11-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1354 kB, Installed size: 3468 kB |
| 14:35.27 | avu | !tell YAA1 about msg the bot |
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| 14:35.53 | AEY | hello |
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| 14:36.49 | YAA1 | !tell yvu thanks mate! |
| 14:37.00 | YAA1 | ;-) |
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| 14:38.31 | UniCore_ | dpkg, It's a compressing / uncompressing program hahaha I love your nick |
| 14:38.31 | dpkg | UniCore_: You are moron #1 |
| 14:38.48 | foetus | hi folks |
| 14:38.53 | UniCore_ | hi foetus |
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| 14:39.33 | arvind_k | lol!!! |
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| 14:40.24 | foetus | what is the cleanest way to apply strip as an option over ./configure? I know --enable-strip, -s.. |
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| 14:42.22 | foetus | sometimes --enable-strip doesn't do anything sometimes, -s is like hardcore.. |
| 14:42.50 | foetus | a wordwrap, sorry |
| 14:44.01 | foetus | it must be 'clean' :) |
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| 14:48.55 | SlayerXP | i'm being bitten by BTS#517231 - is anyone aware of a workaround for this? |
| 14:49.13 | OpenTokix | !gnome |
| 14:49.13 | dpkg | it has been said that gnome is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+ - see http://www.gnome.org/ To get GNOME, ask me about <install gnome>. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome #gnome-debian @ irc.gnome.org. |
| 14:49.36 | fyn | upgraded to lenny, getting an http 503 from apache even on the default page, nothing in error.log .... where do i look next? |
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| 14:52.07 | homecable | what do people use on debian for webhosting |
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| 14:52.19 | homecable | apache22 php5 ? |
| 14:52.28 | OpenTokix | Depends on the web you plan to host |
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| 14:52.47 | homecable | just something with php |
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| 14:53.00 | homecable | lighttped any good |
| 14:53.03 | OpenTokix | I don't have php on any of my webservers |
| 14:53.10 | OpenTokix | yeah, lighttpd is fast and nice |
| 14:53.13 | homecable | why not ? |
| 14:53.21 | OpenTokix | if you dont have any special hooks into apache, why use it |
| 14:53.23 | OpenTokix | We dont use php |
| 14:53.32 | Boohbah | homecable: nginx |
| 14:53.37 | xoz | :q |
| 14:53.44 | tumba25 | There is some major difference in the hostfiles between Debian 4 and 5. Anybody having a url? |
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| 14:54.10 | OpenTokix | tumba25: hostfiles? |
| 14:54.15 | OpenTokix | tumba25: like /etc/hosts ? |
| 14:54.39 | homecable | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:68 0.0.0.0:* |
| 14:54.44 | tumba25 | like /etc/apache2/sites-available/domain.tld |
| 14:54.44 | homecable | is that port listing ? |
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| 14:55.46 | valdyn | tumba25: and what is the difference? |
| 14:55.54 | [kabotage] | auto reply :O |
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| 14:56.13 | tumba25 | That is what I'm trying to remember. :) |
| 14:56.32 | valdyn | tumba25: i dont see a difference |
| 14:56.38 | tumba25 | I read it somewhere on debian.org |
| 14:57.00 | foetus | I found this in debian/rules: 'This has been known to break on some wacky binaries. # dh_strip' -- is it not recommended? Is it a strip by building the package with 'rules'? |
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| 14:57.15 | [kabotage] | abrotman: PM ? |
| 14:57.31 | jelly | tumba25: call them VirtualHost definitions (for apache) |
| 14:57.47 | amartin83 | Hi, i got this problem installing xserver 1.6: configure.ac:595: error: possibly undefined macro: XTRANS_CONNECTION_FLAGS. Do U know what's about?? |
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| 14:57.59 | jelly | tumba25: the syntax hasn't changed significantly from apache 2.0 to apache 2.2 |
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| 14:58.48 | tumba25 | No. It was something that did work in debian 4 but won't in Debian 5. |
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| 14:59.05 | tumba25 | Might have been the line <VirtualHost *> |
| 14:59.29 | valdyn | tumba25: you just get a warning with the old site config file, nothing big |
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| 15:00.03 | tumba25 | But it will still work? |
| 15:00.15 | ingw3 | hello, I have new Dell Poweredge R200 server, with 2 250 GB SATA disks. Problem is that then i try install any version of linux - it sees just one disk (in bios i see both). any idea? |
| 15:00.20 | valdyn | tumba25: i guess so, it worked for me. |
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| 15:00.29 | tumba25 | ok. thanks |
| 15:00.44 | valdyn | tumba25: now after a few months i fixed it manually, but that just shut up the warning, i dont see a change |
| 15:00.47 | SlayerXP | where do debian developer types hang out? |
| 15:00.58 | valdyn | SlayerXP: rarely in here |
| 15:00.59 | \amethyst | ingw3: is hardware RAID turned on? |
| 15:01.04 | valdyn | SlayerXP: alot in #debian-de |
| 15:01.20 | valdyn | SlayerXP: ( but obviously german speaking debian developers ) |
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| 15:01.35 | SlayerXP | hmm, oka,y ta |
| 15:01.39 | ingw3 | \amethyst: its without hardware RAID. I want to use linux software RAID |
| 15:01.54 | valdyn | SlayerXP: oftc, debian.de even |
| 15:02.09 | \amethyst | ingw3: oh, Linux is seeing one 250 GB drive, not one 500GB drive? |
| 15:02.32 | SlayerXP | oh pain. i'm behind a restrictive firewall, I'll have to open yet another tunnel to get to that one |
| 15:02.54 | ingw3 | \amethyst: yes it sees just one 250 GB. and in bios sees both Port A and Port B |
| 15:03.24 | valdyn | ingw3: how do you know that? |
| 15:03.44 | valdyn | ingw3: does your mainboard have more than 1 different sata controller chip? |
| 15:03.50 | Mikaze | Anyone know why aptitude still recommends using 'safe-upgrade' instead of just 'upgrade', now that Lenny is stable? |
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| 15:04.14 | valdyn | Mikaze: because safe-upgrade is the same as upgrade |
| 15:04.16 | ingw3 | valdyn: have no idea. how can check that? its dell poweredge r200 |
| 15:04.26 | valdyn | Mikaze: except that its a different name |
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| 15:04.36 | tumba25 | valdyn: Found it <VirtualHost *> to <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 15:04.39 | valdyn | ingw3: read docs |
| 15:04.48 | homecable | http://joey.ath.cx/phpsysinfo/ |
| 15:04.50 | homecable | :P |
| 15:05.21 | Mikaze | Jeez. I dunno what's going on with Debian these days, but I don't like it. |
| 15:05.40 | OpenTokix | Mikaze: It has nothing with stable or nothing to do |
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| 15:05.53 | valdyn | Mikaze: dist-upgrade makes people think its for upgrading distros |
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| 15:06.01 | OpenTokix | Mikaze: if you read man-page for aptitude, it explains difference between safe-upgrade, full-upgrade and upgrade. |
| 15:06.24 | valdyn | OpenTokix: umm? upgrade is a seperate thing since when? |
| 15:06.49 | OpenTokix | valdyn: for aptitude |
| 15:06.54 | homecable | what packages doe i need to install for compling a kernel ? |
| 15:06.56 | OpenTokix | valdyn: maybe you should read the manpage also. |
| 15:06.57 | Mikaze | I know that. I tried using 'aptitude upgrade' but it recommends using 'safe-upgrade.' |
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| 15:07.22 | UniCore_ | does firefox exist for debian? |
| 15:07.24 | keith4 | homecable: build-essential, and the kernel source package |
| 15:07.25 | OpenTokix | Mikaze: yes, safe-upgrade is better since it will make more checks |
| 15:07.30 | keith4 | UniCore_: iceweasel |
| 15:07.34 | homecable | kernel-package ? |
| 15:07.36 | \amethyst | UniCore_: the debian package is called Iceweasel; the only difference is the branding |
| 15:07.37 | UniCore_ | I hate iceweasel |
| 15:07.47 | \amethyst | UniCore_: what do you hate about it? |
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| 15:07.57 | UniCore_ | cos doesn't work as good as firefox |
| 15:08.06 | \amethyst | UniCore_: for example? |
| 15:08.18 | \amethyst | UniCore_: is there a particular website that doesn't work for you? |
| 15:08.19 | keith4 | that's interesting. because it *is* firefox |
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| 15:08.35 | UniCore_ | ECLIPSE IDE says that my browser isn't able to java |
| 15:08.37 | Mikaze | Firefox is called iceweasel in Linux (in Debian, anyway). |
| 15:08.44 | \amethyst | UniCore_: you might try setting the user-agent. in about:config, look for general.useragent.extra.firefox and change it to Firefox/3.0.6 |
| 15:08.58 | BUMBACL0T | *** [##debian] ¢ Invalid DCC from Bawtarski - Invalid IP- 0.0.0.0 (DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0) |
| 15:08.58 | keith4 | UniCore_: firefox won't solve that problem. it helps to install java, probably |
| 15:08.59 | BUMBACL0T | hmmmmm |
| 15:09.03 | OpenTokix | !icewesle |
| 15:09.03 | BUMBACL0T | that bastard |
| 15:09.05 | \amethyst | UniCore_: you'll need a java plugin regardless of which browser you use |
| 15:09.05 | valdyn | OpenTokix: upgrade is not in the manpage at all |
| 15:09.05 | UniCore_ | java is enabled |
| 15:09.07 | OpenTokix | !iceweasle |
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| 15:09.11 | UniCore_ | cos it work |
| 15:09.19 | UniCore_ | but with Eclipse... |
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| 15:09.30 | UniCore_ | I can't start eclipse |
| 15:09.35 | UniCore_ | there is no way |
| 15:09.42 | UniCore_ | it's says JVM terminated. Exit code=127 |
| 15:09.56 | keith4 | wtf does that have to do with your browser? |
| 15:09.58 | valdyn | OpenTokix: so i can assume it just replaced "upgrade" the name |
| 15:10.03 | OpenTokix | UniCore_: do you have java installed? |
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| 15:10.09 | UniCore_ | so, I don't know what happen with java virtual machine |
| 15:10.09 | OpenTokix | valdyn: probably |
| 15:10.14 | \amethyst | UniCore_: which java plugin are you using (check about:plugins) |
| 15:10.19 | UniCore_ | keith4, nothing, I know |
| 15:10.30 | keith4 | are you trying to use gcj? |
| 15:10.33 | OpenTokix | UniCore_: java is not automagically installed with iceweasle |
| 15:11.02 | keith4 | http://packages.debian.org/sun-java |
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| 15:11.12 | UniCore_ | only Shockwave Flash |
| 15:11.23 | Mikaze | This is the warning I get for using aptitude upgrade "W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead." |
| 15:11.38 | UniCore_ | I've installed java JDK |
| 15:11.47 | valdyn | Mikaze: sure, why does that bother you? |
| 15:11.50 | OpenTokix | Mikaze: ok, then use safe-upgrade, looks like a sane choice |
| 15:11.56 | UniCore_ | I suppose JDK also works like JRK |
| 15:12.02 | \amethyst | Mikaze: yes, the command has been renamed. safe-upgrade does exactly what upgrade does |
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| 15:12.18 | valdyn | Mikaze: its the same thing for you, but the names changed, you can use "upgrade" if you like |
| 15:12.23 | \amethyst | UniCore_: Are you using the debian package for eclipse, or did you install it from eclipse.org ? |
| 15:12.36 | UniCore_ | debian package |
| 15:12.40 | UniCore_ | from apt-get |
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| 15:13.11 | UniCore_ | it says on start: This Eclipse build doesn't have support for the integrated browser. |
| 15:13.19 | keith4 | UniCore_: if you want the java plugin, you need to install the java plugin package |
| 15:13.25 | UniCore_ | the it ask me for a workspace |
| 15:13.26 | Mikaze | Because the whole idea of UNIX was to shorten all the commands. cp is copy, mv is move, etc. Debian seems to want to go backwards. |
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| 15:13.35 | \amethyst | UniCore_: then you get the JVM error? |
| 15:13.40 | UniCore_ | and then It says |
| 15:13.45 | valdyn | Mikaze: sa<tab> isnt much |
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| 15:14.34 | valdyn | Mikaze: upg<tab> is longer |
| 15:14.39 | \amethyst | UniCore_: what does update-alternatives --config java list as the current version (the one with a '*') |
| 15:14.44 | UniCore_ | JVM terminated. Exit code=127 |
| 15:14.44 | UniCore_ | /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java |
| 15:14.51 | keith4 | coughs |
| 15:14.53 | keith4 | gcj |
| 15:14.55 | OpenTokix | Mikaze: and here I tought unix was developed to make a time sharing system! |
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| 15:15.06 | kaduk | Hi |
| 15:15.08 | \amethyst | UniCore_: okay, so it's trying to use gcj... that might be a problem, though I though eclipse was supposed to work with gcj |
| 15:15.15 | kaduk | When I try to chroot /var/www |
| 15:15.22 | keith4 | it seems that not much works with gcj |
| 15:15.26 | kaduk | I get that /bin/bash is not found |
| 15:15.27 | kaduk | why ? |
| 15:15.28 | valdyn | ( i guess bash advaned tab completition is probably still off by default though ) |
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| 15:15.40 | esa | hi, I have gzip on my system acting on root owned files despite being ran as anormal user. I'm scared what can I do? |
| 15:15.44 | Mikaze | sighs and shakes his head. |
| 15:16.10 | valdyn | esa: what exactly is it doing? |
| 15:16.16 | \amethyst | UniCore_: you can edit /etc/eclipse/java_home and change the order of the lines |
| 15:16.31 | \amethyst | UniCore_: eclipse will use the first listed JVM that it finds |
| 15:16.44 | UniCore_ | ok |
| 15:16.49 | UniCore_ | thanks \amethyst |
| 15:16.56 | UniCore_ | I'm gonna try |
| 15:16.56 | valdyn | esa: whats the permissions on that gzip ? |
| 15:17.01 | \amethyst | UniCore_: you probably want the line for java-6-sun listed first if you have it installed |
| 15:17.26 | Mikaze | It's ten extra characters/bytes in unicode! |
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| 15:17.37 | esa | figure to have afile owned by root:root. gzip compresses it and deletes it afterward. gzip is owned by root |
| 15:17.40 | OpenTokix | Mikaze: oh man! |
| 15:17.51 | Mikaze | rofl |
| 15:18.01 | UniCore_ | yes I have \amethyst |
| 15:18.11 | OpenTokix | Mikaze: good thing that you can write aptitude safe- many many times, with all the bytes you spent here whining? =) |
| 15:18.22 | esa | valdyn: is owed by root as all other executables are |
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| 15:18.29 | homecable | how do i find what i need to install eggdrop not the debian package |
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| 15:18.48 | valdyn | esa: i asked for its complete permissions though |
| 15:18.52 | \amethyst | homecable: read its documentation |
| 15:19.02 | Mikaze | Go to SourceForge and search for eggdrop. |
| 15:19.04 | UniCore_ | \amethyst, my java_home says: |
| 15:19.04 | UniCore_ | /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk |
| 15:19.05 | UniCore_ | /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj |
| 15:19.05 | UniCore_ | /usr/lib/kaffe/pthreads |
| 15:19.05 | UniCore_ | /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
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| 15:19.09 | valdyn | esa: give me those, and the complete permissions of the directory where that "root owned file" is |
| 15:19.27 | WormFood | ugh! did I overlook some option in /etc/exports that allows me to mount an nfs share if I use 127.0.0.1 as the server address, but not as the real network address? |
| 15:19.43 | homecable | apt-get build-dep eggdrop |
| 15:19.44 | homecable | ? |
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| 15:19.59 | UniCore_ | sorry |
| 15:20.00 | UniCore_ | :( |
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| 15:21.15 | Mikaze | wonders if espeakup is in sid yet. |
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| 15:22.02 | WormFood | I remember in the past, I had to have reverse name lookups in dns for nfs to work (or entries in the hosts file)...but I was thinking I just didn't configure /etc/exports correctly then |
| 15:22.07 | esa | daniele@mouser:/usr/src/linux$ ls -ld /bin/ |
| 15:22.07 | esa | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-12-27 16:33 /bin/ |
| 15:22.07 | esa | daniele@mouser:/usr/src/linux$ ls -l /bin/gzip |
| 15:22.07 | esa | -rwxr-xr-x 4 root root 52672 2006-09-19 14:38 /bin/gzip |
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| 15:22.13 | simonrvn | NOW MY NFS IS WORKING. FUCK. sorry for the caps... spent an hour or so trying to figure it out yesterday.... |
| 15:22.28 | valdyn | WormFood: that is a feature of /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny |
| 15:22.32 | simonrvn | ok, when are people going to figure out not to paste in here? |
| 15:22.38 | WormFood | simonrvn, based on past experience, nfs can be a real motherfucker sometimes |
| 15:22.41 | valdyn | WormFood: look at manpage, about that PARANOID keyword |
| 15:22.51 | valdyn | WormFood: and its got nothing to with nfs itself |
| 15:22.54 | simonrvn | WormFood: i know. real PITA |
| 15:22.57 | WormFood | valdyn, which hostpage? |
| 15:23.05 | vos | "pita" ? |
| 15:23.07 | simonrvn | !tell UniCore_ -about paste |
| 15:23.18 | simonrvn | !tell esa -about paste |
| 15:23.23 | simonrvn | !pita |
| 15:23.23 | dpkg | it has been said that pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 15:23.27 | vos | in portuguese it means "chicken" or "adolescent histerial girl" |
| 15:23.29 | valdyn | WormFood: read those files |
| 15:23.46 | kaduk | Hi |
| 15:23.54 | WormFood | I am...thanks for the reminder...I totally forgot about hosts.allow/deny |
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| 15:23.55 | simonrvn | vos: "hys*". haha :) |
| 15:24.08 | simonrvn | vos: thanks for the language lesson :) |
| 15:24.21 | UniCore_ | simonrvn, I know don't worry |
| 15:24.21 | UniCore_ | xD |
| 15:24.30 | Mikaze | !bohica |
| 15:24.30 | dpkg | hmm... bohica is Bend Over Here It Comes Again |
| 15:24.49 | esa | dumb me. valdyn: look in #flood |
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| 15:25.19 | valdyn | esa: i just missed one line here here |
| 15:25.32 | Mikaze | !c2co |
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| 15:25.35 | WormFood | speaking about language, I had a customer come into the store one day, and written on a piece of paper it said "bad or missing hymen.sys" (obviously this was years ago)....my friend I worked with tried to correct him, and tell him it was "himem.sys", but he'd have nothing of it, and insisted he copied the message exactly as it was on the screen. |
| 15:25.37 | valdyn | esa: the permissions of the directory where the "root owned file" is |
| 15:25.48 | valdyn | esa: i didnt actually ask for /usr/bin permissions |
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| 15:25.58 | valdyn | esa: i didnt actually ask for /bin permissions |
| 15:26.00 | jelly | !botabuse |
| 15:26.00 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 15:26.21 | valdyn | esa: only just joined #flood |
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| 15:27.36 | RRockon | I have a bit of trouble setting up a wpa connection on my (other) debian box. Would anyone care to assist me? I think there's something wrong in the wpa_supplicant.conf... |
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| 15:27.39 | Mikaze | !R2D2 |
| 15:27.39 | dpkg | /exec -o ls |
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| 15:28.47 | RRockon | every resource I've read so far on that file states a completely different set of instructions |
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| 15:29.00 | pif | hi, is there a utility to send email alerts when a filsystem becomes full? |
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| 15:30.02 | Mikaze | I think bsdgames package has a countmail script. |
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| 15:30.22 | pipegeek | pif: Way overkill, probably, but you could check out ganglia |
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| 15:30.35 | kaduk | When I want chrooted users with rssh I Get that connection is terminated and in log rssh_chroot_helper[17697]: chroot() failed, 2: Operation not permitted |
| 15:30.39 | pif | ok |
| 15:30.45 | kaduk | whats wrong ? |
| 15:30.51 | kaduk | also chroot /var/www does not work |
| 15:31.00 | bsdx | pif, just write a single line script and put it in crontab |
| 15:31.03 | kaduk | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 15:31.11 | kaduk | any help ? |
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| 15:31.18 | valdyn | kaduk: it means what it sais |
| 15:31.30 | kaduk | valdyn, does not explain why |
| 15:31.30 | valdyn | kaduk: namely that /bin/bash does not exist in that chroot |
| 15:31.33 | esa | valdyn: havin a root file on a user dir. it could be questionable that the user is allowed to delete it. I just feel bad not having remembered that it has to be like that. :( |
| 15:31.44 | valdyn | kaduk: because you didnt copy it there |
| 15:31.45 | pipegeek | pif: err, s/ganglia/nagios/ |
| 15:31.47 | pipegeek | whoopsie |
| 15:32.18 | Mikaze | !C3P0 |
| 15:32.34 | WormFood | umount.nfs: Server failed to unmount '127.0.0.1:/somepath/' but it did unmount...any idea why I'm getting this message? |
| 15:32.43 | kaduk | valdyn, I did copied bash to /var/www/bin |
| 15:32.50 | kaduk | valdyn, still same error |
| 15:32.58 | valdyn | WormFood: maybe it was not really mounted |
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| 15:33.15 | WormFood | it was really mounted |
| 15:33.21 | valdyn | WormFood: which would have been possible if /etc/mtab is wrong |
| 15:33.25 | esa | i'm not in the brightest mood, despite the situation |
| 15:33.28 | WormFood | that is what I thought too at first |
| 15:33.35 | smacnay | Would it be wise to wait longer for the current updates available in "testing"? |
| 15:33.38 | WormFood | mount shows it up as being mounted, and I can see the files |
| 15:33.41 | Mikaze | What does 'mount' say? |
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| 15:34.06 | WormFood | Mikaze, I gave your answer before you asked the question :P |
| 15:34.07 | smacnay | I have 220 ready to update but some (mostly the libavcodec and other multimedia updates) are broken. |
| 15:34.30 | WormFood | I need a 420 update |
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| 15:35.11 | kaduk | valdyn, ? |
| 15:35.25 | bsdx | pif, Try this - [ $(df -h | awk {print $5} | grep ^[[:digit:]] | sed s/%//g | sort -nr | head -1 ) -gt 85 ] && mail -s "full disk alert" me@gmail.com |
| 15:35.28 | neonoe_ | salut |
| 15:35.48 | bsdx | pif, put it in crontab |
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| 15:35.53 | pif | bsdx: nice one :) |
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| 15:36.25 | RRockon | Why is documentation on wpa_supplicant so terribly inconsistent? Especially everything dealing with the wpa_supplicant.conf file? |
| 15:36.27 | valdyn | kaduk: which about the .so files that /bin/bash needs? |
| 15:36.33 | valdyn | kaduk: what about ld ? |
| 15:36.47 | Mikaze | considers porting to GRML for awhile. |
| 15:37.12 | kaduk | valdyn, well I want www user only to be able to work in his /var/www So it means I need bin/bash there and lib/.. ? |
| 15:37.13 | LjL | i'm on testing, and printing from samba client seemed to be worked fine until yesterday - now trying to print from both of my clients results in a "smbd" process taking up the whole CPU forever, without anything getting printed. ideas? |
| 15:37.34 | valdyn | kaduk: bash alone isnt good for anything |
| 15:37.37 | kaduk | valdyn, thanks for patience btw |
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| 15:37.58 | kaduk | valdyn, yes but its only to keep files for web |
| 15:38.07 | rofl | how long before etch is out of security updates? |
| 15:38.16 | azeem | rofl: about a year |
| 15:38.20 | RRockon | Heh, more importantly, why are the 2 links to the example config files on http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse not working? :P |
| 15:38.22 | rofl | azeem: thx |
| 15:38.23 | valdyn | kaduk: you at least want /bin/ls too i guess |
| 15:38.34 | kaduk | valdyn, hm yes and mkdir |
| 15:38.46 | JBzh | thanks the DD for Lenny, and #debian users for their help. My company now runs a knowledge database using Lenny as a LAMP + IRC server. And I get a promotion. Thank you all :) |
| 15:38.57 | valdyn | kaduk: and /etc/ld.so.cache |
| 15:39.08 | valdyn | kaduk: but dont copy that, its generated |
| 15:39.13 | Mikaze | Donate to Debian. |
| 15:39.16 | scientes | how to i file bugs against the installer? |
| 15:39.18 | scientes | what package? |
| 15:39.19 | kaduk | valdyn, is there any tool that generate automatical minimal chroot ? |
| 15:39.29 | valdyn | kaduk: no idea |
| 15:39.39 | epsilon | chroot of debian? |
| 15:39.49 | epsilon | eh, with debian |
| 15:39.54 | azeem | kaduk: debootstrap |
| 15:39.56 | homecable | http://joey.ath.cx/tcl/ |
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| 15:39.56 | bsdx | pif, you will need some body for the mail, and check if $5 is correct on your machine |
| 15:40.07 | valdyn | kaduk: not much point in making it minimal really |
| 15:40.09 | homecable | amd64 no-theads |
| 15:40.14 | homecable | complied :P |
| 15:40.16 | pif | bsdx: sure, I'm reworking the script now |
| 15:40.19 | valdyn | kaduk: bash is a turing complete language already |
| 15:40.19 | Hydroxide | kaduk: if you mean a minimal debian system within a chroot, then yes, debootstrap is the answer. if you mean a minimal chroot for a specific purpose, then even less stuff can suffice, such as an empty directory in certain cases |
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| 15:40.34 | kaduk | I just want to use rssh but when I do standard settings sftp works I can log in however created files are 027 |
| 15:40.42 | kaduk | while I want 022 |
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| 15:40.56 | kaduk | and umask in rssh.conf does not override this |
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| 15:41.14 | WormFood | what in the fuck does it take to let nfs mount a share? I've done everything I can think of in hosts.allow and exports, and it still denies me |
| 15:41.16 | kaduk | so its not possible to put website by sftp with this sell |
| 15:41.18 | Drakeson | how can I install -dev files in a local ($HOME/...) directory when I don't have root access? |
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| 15:41.27 | jelly | WormFood: how does it deny you? |
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| 15:41.43 | ingw3_ | valdyn: me back with sata - it 1. and if i put win2k8 - its sees also 2 disk just linux which sees one sata disk |
| 15:41.51 | jelly | WormFood: does showmount -e nfsservername show your exports? |
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| 15:42.13 | WormFood | mount.nfs: mount(2): Permission denied |
| 15:42.14 | WormFood | mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.1.69:/someshare |
| 15:42.16 | jelly | WormFood: (run ar the client) |
| 15:42.24 | jelly | ^ar^at |
| 15:42.40 | valdyn | WormFood: show hosts.deny and hosts.allow |
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| 15:42.48 | WormFood | no "showmount" command...what package has that? |
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| 15:43.00 | valdyn | WormFood: and the exports file |
| 15:43.10 | WormFood | valdyn, I added "All: ALL: ALLOW" to the hosts.allow file |
| 15:43.13 | jelly | WormFood: /sbin/showmount |
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| 15:44.32 | valdyn | WormFood: is ALLOW even a permitted keyword? |
| 15:44.36 | WormFood | the showmount is blank |
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| 15:44.43 | WormFood | according to the manpage it is |
| 15:44.49 | valdyn | WormFood: its certainly not in my manpage |
| 15:45.00 | abrotman | Drakeson: you could unpack them manually .. but why not just have the admin install them ? |
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| 15:45.22 | WormFood | showmount shows nothing, even tho I know I can mount it if I use the address of 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:45.25 | valdyn | WormFood: you maybe wanted ALL: ALL |
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| 15:45.34 | WormFood | valdyn, tried that too |
| 15:46.26 | WormFood | my exports is "/somepath *(ro,insecure)" and "/somepath =public(ro,insecure)" |
| 15:46.31 | Mikaze | Jam! |
| 15:46.35 | WormFood | both give it the same error |
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| 15:46.59 | Drakeson | abrotman: I can apt-get source, compile and install them manually (and deal with issues there). but I want an easier and more reasonable way to do that. |
| 15:47.18 | jelly | WormFood: if (showmount shows nothing) then {you might not have access to portmap at all} |
| 15:47.21 | Drakeson | abrotman: because the admin does not bother? |
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| 15:47.56 | jelly | WormFood: does your portmap bind to the relevant physical IP interface on the nfs server? |
| 15:48.25 | WormFood | if I use "ALL: ALL:" I get a "RPC Error: Program not registered" |
| 15:48.25 | WormFood | I must have access to something, because it does mount...but only if I use the address of 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:48.29 | jelly | WormFood: does "rpcinfo -p nfs-server-name" run at the client show anything? If it doesn't, you definitely have no access to portmap. |
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| 15:48.54 | jelly | WormFood: uh... 127.0.0.1 is the loopback device on the very same machine |
| 15:49.37 | jelly | WormFood: gotcha #1: portmap on lenny binds to loopback device only by default, you have to change /etc/default/portmap and restart |
| 15:50.11 | jelly | WormFood: after you have portmap visible from outside, start thinking about nfs mount permissions, not before |
| 15:50.13 | valdyn | hmm |
| 15:50.23 | valdyn | he must have skipped the debconf question |
| 15:50.56 | jelly | I never saw the a debconf question. |
| 15:50.59 | jelly | s/the // |
| 15:51.07 | valdyn | jelly: maybe you have -phigh? |
| 15:51.15 | jelly | valdyn: only if that is the default. |
| 15:51.32 | WormFood | portmap is binding to 0.0.0.0 |
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| 15:51.56 | jelly | WormFood: answer my rpcinfo question, then |
| 15:52.05 | valdyn | jelly: yea, i tried |
| 15:52.45 | WormFood | in /etc/default/portmap, that option line is commented out |
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| 15:53.10 | WormFood | BTW, I'm not running lenny, I'm running sid |
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| 15:53.16 | homecable | whats fam do ? |
| 15:53.16 | valdyn | WormFood: it sais "ALL: ALL" in the manpage , not "ALL: ALL:" |
| 15:53.32 | jelly | WormFood: you shouldn't be! :-P |
| 15:53.36 | valdyn | homecable: watches files for changes |
| 15:53.48 | cognitiaclaeves | I have an etch vm that was originally created to be very small. I've created virtual drives to replace /var and /home, and used rsync -avi to copy all contents, but it appears to not like my changes. It hangs when trying to start syslogd... |
| 15:53.54 | WormFood | I don't have another machine to test from easily |
| 15:54.05 | WormFood | valdyn, my man page says.... To permit access from all hosts except a few trouble makers: |
| 15:54.06 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.06 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.06 | dacs | good morning folks |
| 15:54.15 | WormFood | good evening dacs |
| 15:54.23 | nareshov | good eve dacs |
| 15:54.24 | jelly | wonders wtf ALL: ALL: ALLOW means |
| 15:54.26 | WormFood | its almost midnight here :P |
| 15:54.35 | dacs | ah other side of the world |
| 15:54.38 | dacs | :P |
| 15:54.48 | WormFood | The extensible language uses the following format: |
| 15:54.50 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.53 | valdyn | WormFood: interesting, so you got a different manpage than me |
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| 15:55.01 | cognitiaclaeves | ... it may be a little late now, but is there a way to fix it after adding the entry in fstab to point /var to a drive where the contents were copied from the old /var using rsync -avi ? |
| 15:55.02 | WormFood | yes, I'm running sid |
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| 15:55.11 | jelly | WormFood: Ah. In hosts.allow, :ALLOW is the default afaik. |
| 15:55.20 | homecable | how do i see what port a programs using on netstat |
| 15:55.24 | WormFood | dacs, I'm in ä¸å½ |
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| 15:55.31 | WormFood | homecable, netstat -nlp |
| 15:55.42 | jelly | WormFood: so "ALL: ALL" in hosts.allow is the generic allow-everything-from-everywhere |
| 15:55.44 | WormFood | homecable, use grep if needed |
| 15:55.47 | ribasushi | is there a mailing list similar to LARTC (which seems to be long dead) ? |
| 15:55.50 | WormFood | right jelly |
| 15:55.52 | ribasushi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:55.59 | abrotman | ribasushi: #iptable s? |
| 15:56.04 | abrotman | erm .. #iptables |
| 15:56.04 | dacs | WormFood: thats china |
| 15:56.16 | WormFood | indeed, it sure is :P |
| 15:56.17 | valdyn | ribasushi: can i see that question? |
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| 15:57.21 | ribasushi | valdyn: is it possible to write non-terminating filters with tc? http://pastebin.com/m566b5a0 |
| 15:57.50 | dacs | WormFood: you will not believe this, when i was 9 yrs old i was in Africa, and i use to see stuff that is made in china and thats how it was written . now when you wrote it , i flashed back |
| 15:57.59 | WormFood | cool |
| 15:58.02 | ribasushi | valdyn: basically I want to mirror traffic to a logging interface, while also having standard classful shaping on it (with filters obviously) |
| 15:58.04 | homecable | is port map and fam needed ? |
| 15:58.23 | WormFood | dacs, sure it wasn't written as "ä¸å"? ;) |
| 15:58.30 | esa | another issue: i have the opera and iceweasel browser stuck. how to pin point that? |
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| 15:58.49 | dacs | WOW! its amazing how the human mind is! no i remember the first one |
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| 15:59.08 | dacs | | [] |
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| 15:59.30 | dacs | put the pipe in the middle of the square! lol |
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| 15:59.35 | WormFood | if I edit /etc/default/portmap and uncomment in that option line, and replace it with my local IP, I get many errors when I restart portmap...but as soon as I |
| 15:59.46 | dacs | i will be back |
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| 15:59.59 | WormFood | dacs, the first one is "simplified" chinces, the 2nd one was traditional chinese |
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| 16:00.16 | neuro_damage | ok so I was trying to change my font in my X11 server in debian |
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| 16:00.29 | nareshov | lol |
| 16:00.29 | neuro_damage | what I'm curious about is why when I have a section "files" with FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/artwiz" |
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| 16:01.08 | valdyn | ribasushi: no idea about this |
| 16:01.14 | neuro_damage | that I don't see the fonts in xfontsel |
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| 16:01.34 | valdyn | ribasushi: i just do shaping |
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| 16:01.45 | WormFood | dacs most likely whatever you were looking at was made in mainland china, and not taiwan or HK |
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| 16:02.01 | valdyn | homecable: kde needs portmap and fam |
| 16:02.13 | valdyn | homecable: gnome can use the replacement "gamin" |
| 16:02.25 | WormFood | anyone else have any more suggestions? jelly, valdyn? |
| 16:02.48 | ribasushi | valdyn: oh well :) |
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| 16:03.07 | WormFood | every time I make any changes to hosts or exports, I restart the nfs server |
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| 16:03.40 | valdyn | ribasushi: my shaping rules all are nonterminating though |
| 16:03.57 | SerajewelKS | traffic shaping on linux has continually baffled me |
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| 16:04.08 | WormFood | this fuckin' shit is frustrating as hell |
| 16:04.28 | SerajewelKS | the only network thing i've seen on linux harder than shaping is port-based routing |
| 16:04.34 | ribasushi | valdyn: hm... afaict filters are all terminating - i.e. when a filter matches it's action is performed |
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| 16:05.36 | valdyn | ribasushi: maybe im just using the wrong terminology then, my marking rules are non-terminating |
| 16:06.00 | ribasushi | valdyn: that's the iptables side, I am talking about tc filters |
| 16:06.20 | WormFood | ok, now showmount shows the exported directories...I guess I had to restart portmap |
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| 16:07.20 | WormFood | STILL get "permission denied" if I mount as my local network address, but not if I mount as 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:07.39 | mfdavid | hi all. How can I see (in the shell) how many kbs of ran a process is consuming? |
| 16:07.53 | beardy | mfdavid: man ps |
| 16:08.07 | mfdavid | okidoki |
| 16:08.25 | WormFood | mfdavid, also try "top" (not sure about that, but try it) |
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| 16:08.50 | mfdavid | WormFood: yeah, top is cool, but I was looking for a way to see just one process. |
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| 16:09.34 | WormFood | look in /proc |
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| 16:09.56 | themill | careful... start down that path and you'll then want to know why iceweasel is consuming 700MB.... |
| 16:10.06 | mfdavid | hahaha |
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| 16:11.02 | mfdavid | themill: thats part of the reason I want to see.. im thinking about moving to mutt. I just wanna know how much of ran it is consuming right now. And then say goodbey to the gmail web stuff ;) |
| 16:11.25 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 16:11.36 | SerajewelKS | something about having 4GB makes you really not care how much iceweasel is using... |
| 16:11.45 | \amethyst | mfdavid: ps -v or ps -m show memory details |
| 16:11.51 | mfdavid | thanks |
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| 16:13.18 | \amethyst | mfdavid: the RSS column is resident memory in kibibytes |
| 16:13.28 | themill | SerajewelKS: unless it's using 3.5GB that is. Or unless you also want to do other things at the same time... give xorg 200MB or so, a java vm a similar amount, play around with a few pdfs that are 100MB each... it all adds up eevn if you have 4GB |
| 16:13.32 | mfdavid | oh, cool |
| 16:13.58 | \amethyst | mfdavid: ps u will also show VSZ, which is the total amount of virtual memory, including memory-mapped files etc |
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| 16:14.18 | SerajewelKS | themill: true. most of the time though, iceweasel and a terminal are the only things i have open :) |
| 16:14.26 | SerajewelKS | themill: even when i have 20 things open i've yet to hit swap, so... |
| 16:14.28 | WormFood | what the fuck? I can now mount it if I change the "*" in exports to an ip address....but how the fuck do I let all machines on my local network mount this share? using 192.168.1.* does not work, but just using "*" only works for the loopback interface (127.0.0.1) |
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| 16:14.34 | mfdavid | 24810kbs. Cool. |
| 16:14.56 | themill | offers WormFood a thesaurus so he can come up with some new words other than "fuck" |
| 16:15.29 | nareshov | lulz |
| 16:15.35 | WormFood | come on themill, if you can't give me some suggestions or help, then....uh.....phuck you :P |
| 16:16.01 | SerajewelKS | WormFood: my suggestion is to dump nfs and use something else. i have yet to see any real advantages to using nfs. |
| 16:16.11 | WormFood | I'm tired and pissed off because this shit makes no god damn sense...I'm reading the man pages, and it isn't helping |
| 16:16.30 | WormFood | the real advantage to using nfs, is the fact the embedded piece of equipment I'm using, uses nfs |
| 16:16.36 | cognitiaclaeves | WormFood: Did you try 192.168.1.0 ? |
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| 16:16.46 | SerajewelKS | WormFood: that would be an advantage i guess |
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| 16:16.53 | Hetii | hello |
| 16:17.02 | Hetii | did somebody know why debian cannot bring up my ip alias interface eth0:1 when boot? |
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| 16:17.22 | WormFood | cognitiaclaeves, no, I didn't...good idea...I'll give it a shot (doubt it will work tho) |
| 16:17.23 | Hetii | when i run ifup -a he brings up it |
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| 16:17.46 | cognitiaclaeves | WormFood: Yeah, me too, but it was worth a shot. ;) |
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| 16:18.12 | WormFood | nope, didn't work :( |
| 16:18.18 | Hetii | ofcourse i have auto eth0:1 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:18.23 | WormFood | thanks for the suggestion tho |
| 16:18.45 | WormFood | awww fuck! it says I can use a netmask...I bet that will work |
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| 16:19.31 | muddd | WormFood, "192.168.1." maybe? |
| 16:19.33 | WormFood | now that works...192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0....so you were 1/2 right cognitiaclaeves |
| 16:19.52 | cognitiaclaeves | lol, funny thing is... I thought about mentioning that... |
| 16:20.03 | WormFood | no muddd it needs to be a network/hostmast |
| 16:20.07 | muddd | ah |
| 16:20.12 | cognitiaclaeves | ( No confidence in my linux-fu, yet.. ) |
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| 16:20.40 | WormFood | you know cognitiaclaeves, sometimes the idea that pops into my head is the right one, but don't want to say anything after a string of failures |
| 16:21.02 | WormFood | I have a lot of confidence with my linux-fu....but I don't use nfs on a daily basis |
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| 16:21.18 | cognitiaclaeves | yeah, it's been about a year since I messed with it, I think. |
| 16:21.19 | WormFood | I've been using Linux since '95, and unix-ish systems since the mid-late 1980s |
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| 16:22.09 | cognitiaclaeves | I probably made the switch from Windows to Linix sometime around the 90's... can't remember... |
| 16:22.09 | WormFood | now the real questions is if my embedded device will see my nfs server |
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| 16:22.26 | WormFood | I totally dumped winblows off my desktop in 1999 |
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| 16:23.05 | WormFood | now I only use winblows to run specific apps, usually dealing with hardware |
| 16:23.10 | cognitiaclaeves | By 1999 I hadn't rebooted back into it, myself... |
| 16:23.31 | cognitiaclaeves | Ah, yes, well, if you had the right kind of hardware, VMs were of no use to you... |
| 16:23.48 | WormFood | I rarely use VMs |
| 16:23.58 | WormFood | sometimes they are VERY handy....most of the time not |
| 16:24.00 | cognitiaclaeves | I use them all the time. |
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| 16:24.15 | cognitiaclaeves | I've found them to be very handy most of the time... |
| 16:24.15 | WormFood | VMs are great for testing ISO images before burning them to cd/dvd |
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| 16:24.47 | cognitiaclaeves | They're also pretty slick for webservers, NFS servers, FTP servers... |
| 16:24.53 | WormFood | I had to jump through hoops to get my 3M DVDs....and they were expensive....I don't want to have to get more blanks unless I need to |
| 16:25.35 | WormFood | but back home (usa), I have about 500-600 blank 3m DVDs....but here with me (in China), I only have 100 |
| 16:26.09 | WormFood | fuck! my embedded device still won't see my nfs server :( |
| 16:26.14 | muddd | WormFood, what device are you using that uses nfs? |
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| 16:26.49 | WormFood | hahaha....no network cable....maybe that will help if I plug it in |
| 16:26.52 | coloriomauro | how to install gimp 2.6 on lenny? |
| 16:26.57 | muddd | all this time... :P |
| 16:27.12 | cognitiaclaeves | muddd: No, he didn't have NFS working before... :p |
| 16:27.26 | muddd | so whats the device? i'm curious |
| 16:27.30 | muddd | now |
| 16:27.34 | WormFood | no, all this time nfs wasn't working |
| 16:27.40 | WormFood | it is a NMT |
| 16:27.50 | WormFood | it is http://ipdvd.tv/ |
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| 16:28.11 | WormFood | awesome, it works now :D |
| 16:28.21 | cognitiaclaeves | sweet. :) |
| 16:28.33 | muddd | cool. whats that |
| 16:28.37 | muddd | heh |
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| 16:29.11 | WormFood | thanks for your help guys ( jelly, valdyn, cognitiaclaeves) |
| 16:29.12 | cognitiaclaeves | looks like something that records from HD, is my guess. |
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| 16:29.22 | cognitiaclaeves | No problem. :) |
| 16:29.25 | WormFood | it sees the nfs server, but it still not completely works...won't mount |
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| 16:29.34 | WormFood | no cognitiaclaeves, it does not record |
| 16:29.42 | WormFood | it is like a popcorn hour A-100 |
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| 16:29.58 | WormFood | same circuit boards, slightly different software...same software base tho |
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| 16:30.14 | cognitiaclaeves | WormFood: That's greek to me... :p |
| 16:30.15 | kreds | i |
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| 16:30.35 | abrotman | !ot |
| 16:30.35 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 16:30.36 | cognitiaclaeves | WormFood: Likely won't mount because of configuration / permissions. |
| 16:30.55 | kreds | I've been looking for the debian src tree (e.g. package cvs tree). Where do I find it :) ? |
| 16:31.39 | abrotman | kreds: for all of debian? |
| 16:32.01 | kreds | abrotman: actually just the packages |
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| 16:33.29 | WormFood | cognitiaclaeves, it should mount...and appears to be mounting (logs show it is mounting)...I can mount it on my local machine |
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| 16:34.00 | Hetii | so ? did somebody know if it possible to brings up alias interface when system boot ? |
| 16:35.01 | enouf | is it listed in z25? |
| 16:35.29 | cognitiaclaeves | WormFood: I stick with my original assertion. Prove me wrong... ;) |
| 16:35.44 | WormFood | cognitiaclaeves, I can mount it on another machine, on the same network |
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| 16:35.54 | WormFood | but you are right, that is most likely the problem |
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| 16:39.27 | sdgusler | having a problem with smbpasswd adding a user, has anyone ever run into this before Unable to modify TDB passwd: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL! |
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| 16:40.14 | WormFood | no cognitiaclaeves, it is not permissions that is the problem....the problem is this braindead box isn't looking in subdirectories :( |
| 16:40.56 | cognitiaclaeves | hmm... can what you're doing be solved with links, then? |
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| 16:41.02 | WormFood | other than my word, how can I prove you wrong? |
| 16:41.12 | cognitiaclaeves | ( I have no idea what you're trying to access from the box.. ) |
| 16:41.16 | WormFood | I think links will work |
| 16:41.21 | WormFood | porn! lots and lots of porn! |
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| 16:41.35 | cognitiaclaeves | lol, I'm helping you score porn... oh, bad karma.. |
| 16:41.38 | WormFood | not really....I mean, I do have porn, but I just want to make it work so I can show it off to my friends, and see it |
| 16:41.58 | WormFood | I mean...show off the box to my friends....not the porn |
| 16:42.10 | cognitiaclaeves | lol, ok... I'll buy that... |
| 16:42.51 | WormFood | hahaha...I just had an idea...market this as a "porn box", and advertise it on porn torrent sites |
| 16:43.22 | WormFood | ok...thanks again for all of your help |
| 16:43.48 | WormFood | I'll have my hands full for the next 3 minutes |
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| 16:45.13 | cognitiaclaeves | K. Take it easy. :) |
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| 16:45.47 | maxagaz_ | is it possible to use a touch screen with debian ? |
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| 16:46.24 | maxagaz_ | i mean, would i need to install special video card and drivers ? |
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| 16:47.12 | giovani | maxagaz: video card? no, the touch screen isn't a video card -- but you will need special input drivers unless it's a hid device |
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| 16:47.35 | maxagaz_ | giovani, hid device ? |
| 16:48.08 | giovani | maxagaz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_interface_device |
| 16:48.20 | giovani | bottom line ... you probably need a driver |
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| 16:49.14 | salvia | hello, i'm trying to build route between vlan interface that is on eth interface (eth is 10.0.1.67, the vlan is 10.10.0.10) to the network that is on the eth interface. |
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| 16:52.25 | stintel | hi all. I am trying to install a Debian Lenny inside KVM, with virtio network and bd driver, but the installer doesn't seem to recognize the geometry of the virtual disk, and cannot use the disk because of that. anyone knows a solution for this? |
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| 16:54.50 | jc_g | :) |
| 16:54.52 | aixenv | hey guys im trying to use preseed to automate full install and then run a postinstall script i have all that working, i need to force apt-get to not prompt Y/N, is the proper syntax 'apt-get --force-yes dist-upgrade|update' ? |
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| 16:55.05 | esa | stintel: i would try qemu |
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| 16:55.23 | maxagaz_ | thanks giovani |
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| 16:55.30 | stintel | esa: that's not a solution. qemu is darn slow, kvm and virtio rock |
| 16:55.33 | \amethyst | aixenv: -y |
| 16:55.48 | stintel | esa: btw, kvm is based on qemu, shouldn't you know that. |
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| 16:56.02 | maxagaz_ | giovani, is there a good touch screen that you could suggest me ? (to put in a store for public use) |
| 16:56.09 | aixenv | amethyst: man page was talkin about --force-yes is that for something else? so apt-get -y dist-upgrade or apt-get -y update like so? |
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| 16:56.15 | esa | stintel: you don't have a solution btw. to be picky qemu != kvm |
| 16:56.20 | giovani | maxagaz: no idea -- I'd google around on which has the best linux support |
| 16:56.23 | dbbolton | are there any known issues with xorg and fglrx in ubstable? |
| 16:56.31 | Federico2 | bye bye |
| 16:56.33 | stintel | esa: I didn't say that, I said it was based on qemu ã |
| 16:56.38 | Hologram_Slim | good day, gents |
| 16:56.50 | \amethyst | aixenv: yes... there is a difference between -y (--assume-yes) and --force-yes |
| 16:56.51 | esa | is said qemu is different than kvm |
| 16:56.59 | maxagaz_ | giovani, i found nothing on google about touch screen and linux |
| 16:57.11 | aixenv | amethyst: Ok tyvm, ill try that in my post install script :) |
| 16:57.17 | stintel | esa: I know that. anyways, lets stop this pointless discussion |
| 16:57.28 | stintel | esa: so you are saying "it doesn't work" ? |
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| 16:57.33 | Hologram_Slim | stintel: either my irssi is crazy or your smiley is awesome |
| 16:57.35 | \amethyst | aixenv: -y will abort if you, for example, try removing an essential package or installing package from an unsigned repository; --force-yes will go ahead and do it |
| 16:57.38 | stintel | esa: or that you don't know a solution to get it working |
| 16:57.41 | stintel | Hologram_Slim: the latter ;) |
| 16:58.19 | esa | stintel: i wouldn't name it a discussion at all. i don't know what else to suggest |
| 16:58.22 | Hologram_Slim | stintel: hopefully it doesn't mean ,,i'm stupid'' in arabic or so ã |
| 16:58.32 | stintel | Hologram_Slim: rofl :P see wikipedia |
| 16:58.39 | aixenv | amethyst: ok, do you happen to know if its possible to automate the postfix install? since that asks a few questions ? |
| 16:58.42 | Hologram_Slim | stintel: will do! |
| 16:58.49 | stintel | esa: ok. thanks for the suggestion |
| 16:59.00 | esa | fly high |
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| 16:59.10 | giovani | maxagaz: that's literally impossible |
| 16:59.32 | giovani | " Results 1 - 10 of about 3,060,000 for touchscreen linux." |
| 16:59.58 | \amethyst | aixenv: preseed the answers |
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| 17:00.32 | aixenv | amethyst: i cant do it during preseed, i have to do it via a post install script |
| 17:00.54 | aixenv | amethyst: because hostname/domain/ip is configured via postinstall script since that'll change based on a dif server each time |
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| 17:01.53 | \amethyst | aixenv: once you have that information, before you install postfix, use debconf-set-selections |
| 17:02.06 | esa | stintel: try asking in #qemu. qemu forums can also be a good place to ask |
| 17:02.10 | aixenv | amethyst: ok ty, ill try that |
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| 17:04.05 | aixenv | ty amethyst, ill work on that |
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| 17:09.58 | osfd | Hello...I can't watch youtube video...with icewasel...what do I have to do, please... |
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| 17:10.50 | steven_ | donno but still that wouldn't explain the sudden recent growth |
| 17:10.56 | steven_ | wring window apologies |
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| 17:12.32 | osfd | I installed flashplayer-mozilla...but obvisously that's not enough.. |
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| 17:13.00 | nareshov | !testing |
| 17:13.00 | dpkg | from memory, testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and given that lenny has only just been released, users of squeeze are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. <lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target>. |
| 17:13.14 | nareshov | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 17:13.22 | nareshov | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
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| 17:15.25 | ska | Can I copy my /var/cache/apt/archives/* files over to another server? |
| 17:15.37 | ska | Will that save DL bandwidth? |
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| 17:17.20 | llutz | ska: you can, if release/sources are the same |
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| 17:24.15 | paxcoder | anyone, plz: cheap printer with even shaper (replacement) cartrages. it has to work with the kernel of course, so i'm guessing usb. suggestions? |
| 17:24.24 | paxcoder | *sherper=cheapre |
| 17:24.28 | paxcoder | or whatever |
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| 17:25.09 | Hoxzer | >:( Why not use your work's or school's printer ? |
| 17:25.32 | Hoxzer | Is free and no need to worry about buying paper and ink |
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| 17:26.38 | paxcoder | Hoxzer: actually i have a printer connected to the other computer. If that's remote, school would be even more remote for me. |
| 17:26.53 | Hoxzer | :\ |
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| 17:27.37 | SyNaPtIc | hi |
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| 17:28.36 | paxcoder | don't you ppl have printers? |
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| 17:30.24 | paxcoder | what about keyboards? |
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| 17:30.30 | nareshov | lol |
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| 17:33.23 | muddd | i have a fat32 drive mounted, and try to do a "rm -rf" on this one directory and it says it cant because it isnt empty, but I ls -a and there's nothing in it |
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| 17:34.25 | paxcoder | muddd: enter it and write "ls ." (no quote, and then press tab). see if anything comes up |
| 17:34.50 | xoz | muddd: use mc |
| 17:34.53 | muddd | nothing |
| 17:34.54 | llutz | muddd: you try to rm the mountpoint itself? |
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| 17:35.05 | paxcoder | xoz: what's mc? |
| 17:35.16 | xoz | !mc |
| 17:35.16 | dpkg | methinks mc is Midnight Commander an orthodox file manager for Unix-like systems (also works in Windows) and a clone of Norton Commander. Midnight Commander is a text mode application. The main interface consists of two panels which display the file system. see: http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/FAQ |
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| 17:35.29 | muddd | no i'm not tryint to rm the mountpoint |
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| 17:35.51 | xoz | paxcoder: use it to remove filenames with obscure chars or even dirs. |
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| 17:36.15 | paxcoder | xoz: is that a switch? |
| 17:36.27 | muddd | mc can't do it either, "directory not empty (39)" |
| 17:36.36 | llutz | paxcoder: an app |
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| 17:36.56 | muddd | so weird |
| 17:37.03 | xoz | muddd: try umount and mount again |
| 17:37.04 | paxcoder | guess it's not preinstall then |
| 17:37.06 | paxcoder | ed |
| 17:37.07 | muddd | k |
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| 17:37.33 | muddd | same problem |
| 17:37.36 | muddd | hmm. |
| 17:38.20 | xoz | muddd: ls -aR shows nothing? |
| 17:38.26 | muddd | Its a folder in the ms windows temporary internet files folder... cache |
| 17:38.40 | muddd | just . and .. |
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| 17:39.01 | muddd | aahahhhhhhh wait |
| 17:39.02 | xoz | muddd: there is an obscure charset |
| 17:39.21 | muddd | I know the disk had problems cuz when i tried to dd the hda1 it gave me i/o errors |
| 17:39.27 | muddd | maybe thats the folder that has an error |
| 17:39.51 | muddd | does that sound possible? |
| 17:39.53 | xoz | muddd: backup and get a new one. use smartctl |
| 17:40.05 | xoz | to check the health of your hd |
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| 17:40.25 | xoz | muddd: dmesg does not say anything about read error? |
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| 17:41.04 | muddd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.35 | muddd | its a girl's machine with a damn cat and the box was full of cat hair, and i mean full |
| 17:41.51 | muddd | i could make a whole cat with all that fuzz |
| 17:42.01 | xoz | muddd: backup and get rid of it |
| 17:42.14 | xoz | that error means your hd is dying soon. |
| 17:42.36 | muddd | ok, lucky I did back it up already whew |
| 17:42.49 | muddd | well ty |
| 17:42.51 | xoz | smartctl -a /dev/hda |
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| 17:44.26 | adnc | hello, does someone know if there is a live debian distribution for usb which includes network protocol analyzing tools? |
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| 17:45.18 | muddd | wow df -h shows the drive is a 15.6G with 16T used? |
| 17:45.25 | muddd | partition i mean |
| 17:45.45 | muddd | cool |
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| 17:46.00 | maligor | T for Teddybears? |
| 17:46.06 | elik | adnc, why debian? |
| 17:46.23 | adnc | elik: just an idea, do you know of an other? |
| 17:46.52 | xoz | !live |
| 17:46.52 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org) |
| 17:46.56 | elik | adnc, http://wireshark.kn.vutbr.cz/lists/wireshark-users/200711/msg00018.html |
| 17:47.05 | KimHansen | I am trying to install Lenny, but it fails because the install image (read from USB) sees the usb-devices as sda+sdb and the harddisks as sdc+sdd. It then writes the grub mbr to the install image, not the harddisk. Can I force the usb devices to be sdc+sdd ? |
| 17:47.08 | llutz | adnc: backtrack |
| 17:47.26 | elik | adnc, as for the USB part.. not sure |
| 17:47.34 | elik | adnc, I mostly work with Live CDs |
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| 17:47.42 | maligor | adnc, build one? |
| 17:47.43 | adnc | elik: thank you very much, i'll have a look there |
| 17:47.53 | adnc | llutz: i don't know what you mean with backtrack |
| 17:48.03 | maligor | live-magic - GUI frontend to create Debian LiveCDs, netboot images, etc. |
| 17:48.12 | adnc | maligor: yes, thats an option. i thought there might be already something like this |
| 17:48.12 | elik | adnc, it's on the page |
| 17:48.15 | elik | adnc, backtrack is a distro |
| 17:48.29 | maligor | there are live images at http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:48.31 | adnc | elik: thank you for the explanation of llutz int |
| 17:48.36 | xoz | KimHansen: you can correct grub install before reboot |
| 17:48.37 | maligor | but dunno if any of them contain the tools you want |
| 17:48.48 | adnc | maligor: yeh, they are great i took one already |
| 17:49.09 | adnc | but the tools aren't build in |
| 17:49.09 | xoz | adnc: /msg dpkg live |
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| 17:49.13 | llutz | adnc: sry, wanted to give you a link, but they seem to be down :( |
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| 17:49.24 | adnc | llutz: thank you |
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| 17:50.03 | kakazza | " Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" or "stable" to "lenny". " |
| 17:50.04 | llutz | adnc: should be http://www.remote-exploit.org/news.html |
| 17:50.06 | g00se | Just wondering what issues i could expect running Etch with an EtchnHalf kernel |
| 17:50.12 | kakazza | I take it, that's obsolete now, that lenny is stable? |
| 17:50.31 | adnc | llutz: remote exploit? |
| 17:50.45 | adnc | no, i'm not interested in this |
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| 17:50.50 | llutz | adnc: that the domain the own, yes |
| 17:51.19 | maligor | mm.. live-magic doesn't seem to have a customization option :P |
| 17:51.39 | llutz | adnc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BackTrack |
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| 17:52.20 | KimHansen | xoz: I was hoping to find a solution that would work automatically with preseeding |
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| 17:52.42 | maligor | adnc, I guess you'll have to use live-helper and edit one of the lists |
| 17:52.45 | cr3 | terminology question, what's the difference between an "archive" and a "repository"? |
| 17:53.18 | adnc | maligor: i think i will have to do this, thanks |
| 17:53.22 | xoz | there is a drive mapping problem that you can use to swap drive name... i forgot the name. |
| 17:53.26 | keith4 | !repository |
| 17:53.26 | dpkg | i guess debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>. |
| 17:54.26 | xoz | KimHansen: dmsetup |
| 17:54.41 | keith4 | KimHansen: you can just run grub-install manually, and tell it where you want grub |
| 17:54.48 | adnc | backtrack seems to have several usefull tools, but there site is down |
| 17:55.07 | llutz | adnc: http://backtrack.offensive-security.com/index.php/Main_Page |
| 17:55.23 | xoz | keith4: KimHansen doesnt like that as i suggested |
| 17:55.33 | adnc | llutz: yes, but the download link points back to the down domain |
| 17:55.36 | foetus | i need help, how must i quote this variable in an shellscript? The Syntax of ` is wrong: L=`for i in `pwd | grep -o [0-9\.]` ; do echo -n $i ; done` |
| 17:55.49 | llutz | ups sry, haven't tried |
| 17:55.57 | keith4 | xoz: well maybe KimHansen is SOL |
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| 17:56.22 | keith4 | foetus: ask #bash? |
| 17:57.13 | KimHansen | foetus: Use $() instead of `` |
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| 17:58.08 | homecable | linux-headers-2.6.28.7-grsec-pax-grsec_2.6.28.7-grsec-pax-grsec-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb |
| 17:58.13 | homecable | how do i change the name |
| 17:58.30 | keith4 | "mv" ? |
| 17:58.39 | foetus | KimHansen: ah, lets prepare it :) |
| 17:58.45 | homecable | fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-grsec-pax kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 18:00.14 | homecable | 2.6.28-7-amd64-grsec-pax ? |
| 18:00.23 | homecable | how do i get it to look like that |
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| 18:00.43 | Python1320 | Now playing: 10d03.mp3 (2:17 - 5271 frames) [44100 hz,96 kbps,stereo] |
| 18:00.49 | abrotman | Python1320: turn that off |
| 18:01.05 | simonrvn | !lart Python1320 |
| 18:01.05 | dpkg | crushes Python1320 with a full height scsi disk |
| 18:01.27 | llutz | adnc: maybe use one of these if you want to use backtrack: http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrents&search=backtrack&category=0&active=1&tracker=0 |
| 18:01.27 | abrotman | hey .. i've got some of those here |
| 18:01.34 | simonrvn | homecable: /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
| 18:01.45 | Python1320 | sorry abrotman and simonrvn |
| 18:01.51 | Python1320 | tried the sswitch |
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| 18:01.54 | drwn | hello every body |
| 18:01.56 | simonrvn | homecable: but yeh, the way you pasted too |
| 18:02.02 | Python1320 | crappy script causing problems |
| 18:02.12 | simonrvn | homecable: the /etc file is additional config |
| 18:02.20 | edju | user shell defaults to rbash. /bin/rbash is linked to /bin/bash, /etc/passwd has /bin/bash, and ran chsh to /bin/bash. still, every login defaults to rbash. have to run "bash". any advice appreciated. |
| 18:02.53 | drwn | someone to know how I can do split the bandwidth between two servers |
| 18:03.19 | djace | i'm piping a colored "grep" output to less, and no colors are display. is there a way to get less to behave? |
| 18:03.31 | lepine_w | drwn: what's the protocol? |
| 18:03.40 | lepine_w | and how much control over the servers do you have? |
| 18:03.42 | elik | drwn, that's usually called load balancing |
| 18:03.44 | simonrvn | djace: -r |
| 18:03.48 | xoz | foetus: use $(commands) instead of `commands` in the inner part |
| 18:03.49 | simonrvn | less -r |
| 18:04.18 | simonrvn | though it may not work if grep's colour is set to auto. depends on the version IIRC |
| 18:04.19 | drwn | elik yes |
| 18:04.22 | nsadmin | how do the colors come out of grep? |
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| 18:04.31 | nsadmin | what terminal type? |
| 18:04.40 | djace | xterm |
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| 18:04.42 | drwn | I have a connection for the two task |
| 18:04.46 | pobega | edju: Is /bin/bash in /etc/shells? |
| 18:04.46 | djace | simonrvn, tried that, not working- |
| 18:04.50 | djace | :( |
| 18:04.51 | xoz | foetus: L=`for i in $(pwd | grep -o [0-9\.]) ; do echo -n $i ; done` L=`for i in $(pwd | grep -o [0-9\.]) ; do echo -n $i ; done` |
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| 18:05.10 | pobega | edju: I've never solved this problem before, but I can try. Just warning you that I've got zero experience with it. |
| 18:05.23 | drwn | I have in the one hosting machine and another for proxy machine |
| 18:05.31 | edju | pobega, yes, bash is in /etc/shells. |
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| 18:05.33 | simonrvn | djace: you'd have to force it to --color=always then pipe to less -r otherwise you get to see control characters ;p |
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| 18:05.46 | djace | simonrvn, ahh, got it, gotta set grep's color to always |
| 18:05.49 | djace | yeah, thats it |
| 18:05.50 | djace | :D |
| 18:05.54 | simonrvn | that's a lot of trouble though for some piped thing... |
| 18:05.58 | djace | thanks |
| 18:06.11 | pobega | edju: and are you sure /etc/password has /bin/bash? |
| 18:06.14 | simonrvn | leave the default to =auto 'cause =always can cause problems |
| 18:06.17 | pobega | edju: /etc/passwd, rather |
| 18:06.40 | edju | pobega, yes, i'm sure. |
| 18:06.41 | \amethyst | cgrep() { grep --color=always "$@" | less -r; } |
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| 18:07.15 | \amethyst | or less -R might be safer than -r |
| 18:07.56 | pobega | edju: Hmm...try `chsh -s /bin/bash edju` as root |
| 18:08.25 | drwn | Someone to know How I can ballance load of bandwidth ? |
| 18:09.11 | foetus | KimHansen: it doesn't work.. |
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| 18:09.21 | xoz | drwn: apt-get install balance? |
| 18:09.24 | edju | pobega, ok. i shall return. |
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| 18:09.28 | drwn | I'll think in htb or cbq for this task |
| 18:09.39 | xoz | drwn: or apt-get install fair? |
| 18:09.55 | lepine_w | What do you guys use for a name daemon? djbdns or bind? I've installed and configured bind lightly a few times before ... but djb is tempting if not just for the illusion of security |
| 18:10.02 | drwn | thank you xoz... I'll go to view |
| 18:10.08 | drwn | right now !! |
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| 18:10.23 | drwn | do you know some tools for this taks |
| 18:10.23 | lhz | why do I get a different locale for root as for an user ? |
| 18:10.36 | foetus | KimHansen: i set an Variable L=.. and then i call $L, but the Syntax of $L is wrong.. |
| 18:10.40 | xoz | drwn: apt-cache search load balance |
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| 18:11.36 | nsadmin | foetus: check what puts stuff in L |
| 18:11.38 | drwn | xoz: well I have one connection for Internet |
| 18:11.59 | drwn | thank you xoz |
| 18:12.23 | xoz | goes to bed |
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| 18:12.37 | nsadmin | if you have only one connection you probably dont' need to load balance |
| 18:13.45 | foetus | L=`for i in `pwd | grep -o [0-9\.]` ; do echo -n $i ; done` |
| 18:13.51 | foetus | cd $L |
| 18:14.04 | nsadmin | try echo $L |
| 18:14.11 | foetus | these are the lines (sorry for pasting) |
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| 18:14.29 | nsadmin | just to see what you get |
| 18:14.55 | nsadmin | oh, I see... don't use ` ... ` |
| 18:15.03 | nsadmin | use $( ... _) |
| 18:15.39 | foetus | how do i enclosure this commandline in a bashscript ? there is too many `.. |
| 18:15.40 | nsadmin | err |
| 18:15.43 | nsadmin | use $( ... ) |
| 18:15.47 | nsadmin | use $( ... _) |
| 18:15.52 | nsadmin | oh, I see... don't use ` ... ` |
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| 18:16.05 | nsadmin | (sorry all) |
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| 18:16.30 | nsadmin | don't put the _ before ) |
| 18:16.56 | nsadmin | foetus: look above this line |
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| 18:17.18 | edju | pobega, seems to have done it. thanks. didn't occur to me to run it as root. |
| 18:17.34 | lepine_w | when i need to chose hostnames for a web cluster ... you can be sure the squid box is going to be called kraken |
| 18:17.35 | pobega | edju: not a problem -- I just took a guess actually :] |
| 18:17.45 | abrotman | foetus: ask #bash |
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| 18:19.43 | MegafEee | hello, whats the craic? |
| 18:19.45 | nsadmin | abrotman he's not even paying attention... I found the problem, he hasn't responded |
| 18:19.59 | foetus | nsadmin: L=$( ... ) ? |
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| 18:21.11 | abrotman | MegafEee: ask google ? |
| 18:21.44 | MegafEee | lol |
| 18:22.08 | MegafEee | whats the craic = how are things |
| 18:22.11 | MegafEee | :P |
| 18:22.13 | Hologram_Slim | felipe: please! L=`echo $( ... ) | cat` :) |
| 18:22.21 | MegafEee | whats good, whats the fun |
| 18:22.23 | Hologram_Slim | foetus: please! L=`echo $( ... ) | cat` :) |
| 18:22.33 | Hologram_Slim | foetus: it's just not right without a cat |
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| 18:22.44 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:22.54 | MegafEee | abrotman: irish expressions |
| 18:23.03 | archersako | hey all I need to pick between ubuntu and debian for my www production server |
| 18:23.12 | archersako | any advantages with going debian |
| 18:23.16 | jamon | archersako: no contest |
| 18:23.28 | Hologram_Slim | archersako: it's debian. advantage by itself. |
| 18:23.37 | archersako | i guess the most obvious is no ubuntu bloat |
| 18:23.37 | archersako | :P |
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| 18:24.12 | archersako | i been hearing that ubuntu has more devs working on it and they get better/faster updates bla bla |
| 18:24.14 | foetus | Hologram_Slim: yes i know, i'm not real fit today..:) but thanks |
| 18:24.16 | archersako | thats why i asked |
| 18:24.25 | maligor | better updates? ubuntu? |
| 18:24.27 | roe_ | does evince get put in the gnome menu bydefault |
| 18:24.34 | jamon | archersako: fast != better |
| 18:24.46 | jelly | what's a nice torrent client that does file preallocation? |
| 18:24.53 | archersako | but debian is definitely still supported / developed the same as before right/ |
| 18:24.54 | maligor | archersako, since it's a production server, you don't want 'updates' as such |
| 18:24.57 | simonrvn | updates for what? |
| 18:25.00 | MarcN | Just a sanity check -- dpkg -i foo.deb will not go install dependencies that the packages have, right? apt-get/aptitude will if they are pulling from a repos. |
| 18:25.01 | Hologram_Slim | jelly: mldonkey i think |
| 18:25.03 | archersako | maligor: true |
| 18:25.09 | jelly | Hologram_Slim: I said nice! |
| 18:25.14 | Hologram_Slim | jelly: by preallocation you mean sparse files? |
| 18:25.23 | jelly | Hologram_Slim: I mean the opposite |
| 18:25.25 | Hologram_Slim | jelly: what's not nice with mldonkey? |
| 18:25.30 | jelly | full files. |
| 18:25.32 | archersako | k i made up my mind ;) |
| 18:25.44 | Hologram_Slim | jelly: why would anybody want that? |
| 18:26.01 | jelly | Hologram_Slim: fragmentation makes baby filesystem cry |
| 18:26.05 | Hologram_Slim | jelly: but i don't know of any such client, to answer your questions |
| 18:26.12 | Hologram_Slim | jelly: lol |
| 18:26.14 | jelly | I know azureus does it. |
| 18:26.31 | maligor | archersako, it'd never even occur to me to install ubuntu on a server actually |
| 18:26.31 | jelly | looking for something leaner |
| 18:26.56 | Hologram_Slim | jelly: have your temp-files on a different filesystem and move them to storage if done. mldonkey can do it for you. i even use a very old HD for temp |
| 18:27.11 | maligor | jelly, ktorrent? |
| 18:27.14 | edju | pobega, I take it back. echo $SHELL returns /bin/bash, but I still run rbash. gotta be a file somewhere I'm totally unaware of. |
| 18:27.21 | jelly | Hologram_Slim: that's already being done, but copying is extremely slow |
| 18:27.53 | Hologram_Slim | jelly: i'll take a look into the options, maybe there is a switch for it ... |
| 18:27.54 | maligor | jelly, deluge also does it |
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| 18:28.10 | jelly | deluge sounds nice and CLIish |
| 18:28.22 | maligor | deluge is client/server |
| 18:28.38 | maligor | you can even use it remote |
| 18:29.27 | jelly | Hologram_Slim, maligor: thanks, I'll investigate the mentioned ones |
| 18:29.27 | Hologram_Slim | jelly: use create_file_sparse=no to have it your way in mldonkey |
| 18:29.44 | Hologram_Slim | jelly: who is you god now, eh? ;) |
| 18:29.52 | maligor | jelly, transmission might also, but dunno, transmission gui doesn't have it as a option |
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| 18:30.20 | jelly | maligor: it doesn't have to be an option, if it only does preallocation. :-) |
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| 18:30.33 | Hologram_Slim | jelly: you reach the option via the html gui -> options -> files |
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| 18:31.45 | adnc | llutz: the site is up |
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| 18:32.29 | shamess | I just made the switch to Debian. *bows* Using Iceweasel though, Flash seems to default to swfdec, rather than Adobe's stuff which I've set it as in the settings... Anyone know why that is? |
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| 18:32.50 | shamess | Flash at the moment seems gittery, and I'm hoping that's because swfdec isn't playing right. |
| 18:34.22 | Hologram_Slim | shamess: call me lame, but i have installed the real firefox into my homedir, it's a bit more work, but i don't like the debian way in this area |
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| 18:34.50 | shamess | Hologram_Slim: Meh, it's exactly the same pretty much. I doubt it'll be affecting my flash. |
| 18:35.04 | Hologram_Slim | shamess: i have added the JRE from sun and flash from adobe and it all works fine from ~/bin and ~/opt |
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| 18:35.36 | Hologram_Slim | shamess: your call, it's just how i roll |
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| 18:35.41 | debianNooB21 | uses question? I am using 'netstat -ln' to find open ports. is there a better command? |
| 18:35.42 | debianNooB21 | usage question? I'm using 'netstat -ln' to find open ports. is there a better command? |
| 18:35.51 | debianNooB21 | sorry |
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| 18:36.15 | Hologram_Slim | debianNooB21: netstat -ant | grep LISTEN |
| 18:36.47 | llutz | debianNooB21: netstat -tulpen |
| 18:36.49 | zinx | if you don't care about sockets, you can use netstat -utnl if you care about which app is listening, you can use -utnlp |
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| 18:38.53 | dustybin | how can one change the permissions recursively of ONLY the dirs ? |
| 18:39.00 | dustybin | and also |
| 18:39.05 | dustybin | how can one change the permissions recursively of ONLY the files ? |
| 18:39.11 | dustybin | within a folder |
| 18:39.19 | simonrvn | find, xargs |
| 18:39.24 | dustybin | eek |
| 18:39.27 | \amethyst | dustybin: find dir -type d -exec chmod 755 {} + |
| 18:39.33 | \amethyst | dustybin: find dir -type f -exec chmod 655 {} + |
| 18:39.41 | dustybin | \amethyst: haha you clever sod :D thanks :D |
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| 18:39.52 | \amethyst | s/655/644/ probably :) |
| 18:40.13 | debianNooB21 | Why does port 22 (sshd) show protocal tcp6? |
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| 18:40.55 | \amethyst | dustybin: because sshd listens on both tcp4 and tcp6 these days by default |
| 18:41.00 | Hologram_Slim | debianNooB21: because your sshd is listening via ipv6 |
| 18:41.13 | \amethyst | oop |
| 18:41.34 | \amethyst | debianNooB21: because sshd listens on both tcp4 and tcp6 these days by default; you can turn it off with AddressFamily inet in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 18:41.53 | Hologram_Slim | \amethyst: how do you know it listens on ipv4? |
| 18:42.17 | \amethyst | I don't know that in this case, but that's the default |
| 18:42.23 | Hologram_Slim | i see |
| 18:43.04 | \amethyst | debianNooB21: I have 'tcp 0.0.0.0:22' and 'tcp6 :::22' in netstat; you should have two lines as well |
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| 18:49.25 | kenjy | guys how can I guess the encoding of a file? if I do file file I just get 09/19/contra.html: HTML document text |
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| 18:52.27 | jpinx | Can anyone tell me which files I might be able to copy from an alsa cofig in Xandros which "just works" to my lenny install which doesn't? I've done the obvious search in /etc/alsa and those are the same. |
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| 18:55.57 | debianNooB21 | \amethyst: no I have only the one line, and I can connect. If I add AddressFamily inet , netstat shows only the tcp 22 |
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| 19:04.13 | homecable | what hardin packages does a shell server use to hardin the userload |
| 19:04.17 | homecable | what hardin packages does a shell server use to hardin the userland |
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| 19:06.28 | gentlyninja | how can i check which application is using internet traffic on my machine? |
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| 19:06.38 | gog | tcpdump |
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| 19:06.52 | dragonheart | gentlyninja: netstat -apntu if its got an open connection |
| 19:07.18 | mordy_ | hey, where can i get the older lenny grub package? |
| 19:07.56 | mordy_ | the one on packages.debian.org has grub2 - i don't want grub2, but i want the lenny grub which apparently doesn't have the problem of reading from 256b inodes |
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| 19:09.48 | stew | judd: info grub --release lenny |
| 19:09.49 | judd | stew: grub (admin): is optional; Version: 0.97-47lenny2; Size: 380.0k; Installed: 852k -- GRand Unified Bootloader (Legacy version) |
| 19:09.54 | stew | mordy_: you need one older than this ^^ ? |
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| 19:10.42 | mordy_ | hmm.. let me see... is that the latest <grub2 release? |
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| 19:11.01 | stew | judd: info grub2 --release lenny |
| 19:11.02 | judd | stew: grub2 (admin): is extra; Version: 1.96+20080724-16; Size: 122.2k; Installed: 204k -- GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package) |
| 19:11.20 | stew | mordy_: i don't know what you mean by "<" there |
| 19:11.33 | stew | grub and grub2 are separate |
| 19:11.38 | mordy_ | stew: i mean 0.97.. yeah, i guess that's what i want |
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| 19:12.53 | mordy_ | so this is it? http://packages.debian.org/lenny/grub |
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| 19:13.27 | stew | mordy_: yes. or if you are running lenny, "aptitude install grub" |
| 19:13.37 | mordy_ | no, it's not lenny, it's etch |
| 19:14.00 | kunal | hey. can debian work on ARM mobiles? |
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| 19:14.28 | mordy_ | kunal: hope so - i'm getting an HTC universal, hope i can get debian on it :P |
| 19:14.49 | kunal | mordy- i have a HP voice messenger with ARM processor |
| 19:14.53 | kunal | do you think it will work? |
| 19:14.58 | kunal | HP 514 |
| 19:15.14 | simonrvn | ##hardware |
| 19:16.00 | mordy_ | kunal: anytux.org or tuxmobil.org |
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| 19:17.03 | neuro_damage | is there good documentaion on setting up openpvn on a debian box? |
| 19:17.07 | kunal | thanks |
| 19:17.18 | ryanarch1 | kunal: I know there is a debian armel distribution |
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| 19:18.04 | ryanarch1 | kunal: there has been some work to get it running on android, people have been doing vnc to back to their phone to do a hackish x server |
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| 19:18.24 | jonny66 | Im haveing trouble with my audio... When im using skype everything else stops working... is there any way to see what is locking my audiocard and also how do i stop it from locking it? |
| 19:18.53 | elik | jonny66, probably using oss |
| 19:19.14 | elik | jonny66, when you say everything else stop working.. you mean the audio? |
| 19:19.46 | kunal | ryanarch1- any idea hows the user interface of debian on ARM cellphones? |
| 19:19.52 | jonny66 | yes the audio |
| 19:19.57 | kunal | like hard to use or easy? |
| 19:21.09 | homecable | rc linux-image-2.6.28.7-amd64-grsec 2.6.28.7-amd64-grsec-10.00.Custom Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.28.7-amd64-grsec |
| 19:21.10 | homecable | rc linux-image-2.6.28.7-grsec-pax-grsec 2.6.28.7-grsec-pax-grsec-10.00.Custom Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.28.7-grsec-pax-grsec |
| 19:21.17 | homecable | whats rc mean |
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| 19:21.36 | simonrvn | dpkg -l | head -n 5 |
| 19:21.36 | dpkg | No packages found matching | head -n 5 |
| 19:21.38 | elik | release candidate? |
| 19:21.44 | simonrvn | no... |
| 19:22.14 | elik | jonny66, so the issue is that skype is using OSS, it has no mixer, it's a single access device |
| 19:22.17 | mordy_ | lol, i love this bot |
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| 19:22.28 | jonny66 | elik so how do i release it? |
| 19:22.36 | EmleyMoor | homecable: Removed but configured |
| 19:22.44 | elik | jonny66, you close skype |
| 19:22.58 | elik | jonny66, or you look for a newer version of skype that supports alsa |
| 19:23.07 | elik | jonny66, or you use alsa-oss-wrapper |
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| 19:24.02 | elik | jonny66, that is, aoss |
| 19:24.13 | ryanarchy | kunal: you basically have two options for debian on android, command line or a loopback vnc connection |
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| 19:24.26 | ryanarchy | kunal: not sure about other arm based phones |
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| 19:25.46 | utabak | hi all, I guess our system admin broke my swap space today while installing opensuse 11, I am getting a message while trying to boot to debian "unable to find swap space partition" |
| 19:26.13 | FirstSgt | for some reason when I changed from centos to debian I no longer have colors in my vim... or in the bash terminal when I am ssh'd in |
| 19:26.17 | utabak | is there way to fix this |
| 19:26.17 | FirstSgt | any suggestions? |
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| 19:26.39 | EmleyMoor | utabak: What did the system admin do??? |
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| 19:27.16 | ryanarchy | utabak: did you check to see if he changed the partition id or something |
| 19:28.06 | hark | FirstSgt: :syn on |
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| 19:30.46 | jidar | how can I force all held back packages to not be held back? I've got about 75 of them that are being held back for who knows why |
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| 19:31.30 | utabak | EmleyMoor, ryanarchy : well, he deleted the swap of the already installed system(debian), I could not see the point at that time, then he created swap for the suse, can they share the same swap, I guess not |
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| 19:31.42 | hark | jidar: do a dist-upgrade/full-upgrade |
| 19:32.02 | ryanarchy | utabak: there are some minor security concerns doing that, but it's fully possible |
| 19:32.24 | jidar | hark: ahh, that's it |
| 19:32.35 | utabak | ryanarchy: is deleting the debian swap right? |
| 19:32.50 | ryanarchy | utabak: it seems kind of pointless to me |
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| 19:33.06 | utabak | ryanarchy: the most important question, is it possible recreate that |
| 19:33.06 | bsdx | utabak, there is nothing debian about a swap |
| 19:33.26 | utabak | bsdx: ?? |
| 19:33.47 | jonny66 | elik: How do i stop the aoss lock? |
| 19:33.56 | bsdx | utabak, both distros can reuse the swap |
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| 19:34.32 | ryanarchy | utabak: I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but he didn't have to delete the debian swap, if this is just one machine that boots two operating systems, it's not a problem to share the swap partition, you can go ahead and update the fstab on debian |
| 19:34.33 | utabak | bsdx: then there is a configuration problem, what do you think the problem could be at this point |
| 19:34.59 | elik | jonny66, uh? |
| 19:35.08 | utabak | ryanarchy: I can not boot into debian but I can get a root shell |
| 19:35.20 | utabak | ryanarchy: from there I can try I guess |
| 19:35.27 | simonrvn | um, what? |
| 19:35.30 | ryanarchy | utabak: is anything mounted? |
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| 19:36.08 | utabak | ryanarchy: now or I did not get the question correctly I guess |
| 19:36.24 | jonny66 | elik: After i start skype it locks my audio card.... Meaning there is no sound comming out of my other apps. So how do i reclaim the audio card? |
| 19:36.26 | ryanarchy | utabak: I get the feeling that he trashed everything except for a /boot partition that has your debian kernel |
| 19:36.32 | jackweb | Hello. What does mean X in "Current status: 1 upgrades [X]" after aptitude safe-upgrade? |
| 19:36.51 | simonrvn | jonny66: skype does that... it wants exclusive use of the sound device.... |
| 19:36.54 | ryanarchy | utabak: unless you're talking about a root shell inside of opensuse |
| 19:36.58 | utabak | ryanarchy: actually not, i can use the same /home partition I guess |
| 19:37.03 | elik | simonrvn, no it doesn't |
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| 19:37.16 | elik | simonrvn, newer versions use alsa |
| 19:37.17 | simonrvn | that's what i've been told |
| 19:37.24 | simonrvn | ah ok. 'bout time. |
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| 19:37.29 | elik | sure is :) |
| 19:37.40 | elik | jonny66, what version of skype do you have? |
| 19:37.41 | ryanarchy | utabak: if you can't boot into debian, he did more than mess up the swap partition |
| 19:37.51 | ryanarchy | utabak: the system should complain, but still boot without swap |
| 19:37.51 | utabak | ryanarchy: no it is a root shell opened after trying to boot into debian |
| 19:38.06 | utabak | ryanarchy: I see |
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| 19:38.25 | elik | simonrvn, I'm watching a video on youtube with sound and doing a skype test call at the same time... |
| 19:38.26 | simonrvn | lemme guess, either some single user prompt, or busybox prompt. |
| 19:38.29 | bsdx | utabak, any err messages during bootup ? |
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| 19:38.32 | ryanarchy | utabak: you're just using a recovery console, right? |
| 19:38.37 | hark | busybox? |
| 19:38.37 | simonrvn | elik: :) |
| 19:38.45 | jonny66 | elik: an older one, ok but lets say i want to reclaim the audio card from aoss anyway just for the sake of it. I have the same issues with other apps using aoss |
| 19:39.06 | utabak | ryanarchy: this is bad, because debian package management is sth I am quite used to after 3 years and other things as well, I needed suse for a commercial software which I could not run under debian |
| 19:39.09 | elik | simonrvn, I have version 2.0.0.72.. if ever |
| 19:39.15 | utabak | ryanarchy: yes as rooy |
| 19:39.17 | utabak | root |
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| 19:39.49 | simonrvn | elik: ok |
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| 19:39.54 | utabak | bsdx: unable to find swap space signature |
| 19:39.56 | elik | jonny66, there is a command to know who is using the device, fuser I think |
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| 19:40.19 | ryanarchy | utabak: it sounds like he flattened / so you're probably screwed |
| 19:40.25 | elik | jonny66, so you can do "fuser /dev/snd" or whatever the oss device is and know which application is using it |
| 19:40.38 | utabak | ryanarchy: flattened ? |
| 19:40.44 | ryanarchy | ryanarchy: formatted |
| 19:40.55 | elik | jonny66, /dev/dsp |
| 19:40.58 | ryanarchy | utabak: just a guess though |
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| 19:41.09 | ryanarchy | utabak: what errors do you get when you boot up |
| 19:41.11 | utabak | ryanarchy: acrtually he did not format it I am 90 % sure |
| 19:41.31 | jonny66 | elik: fuser /dev/dsp returns nothing |
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| 19:41.36 | elik | jonny66, whatever is using /dev/dsp is plain EVIL and WRONG |
| 19:41.43 | utabak | ryanarchy: I will check that but is there a log file that you can point me to |
| 19:41.50 | elik | jonny66, if you start skype now, does it work? |
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| 19:42.28 | bkw | Mounting a nfs4 share in lenny using mount -t nfs4 ... gives 'No such file or directory' But running with -t nfs it works. Are there any specific settings I need to get it working with v4? my export look like "/mnt/share 192.168.1.0/24(rw,sync,fsid=0,no_subtree_check) |
| 19:42.49 | jonny66 | elik: no |
| 19:43.10 | elik | hum |
| 19:43.37 | ryanarchy | utabak: I'm not really sure exactly what you should check maybe /var/log/boot |
| 19:43.39 | maligor | elik, how is using oss EVIL and WRONG?-) |
| 19:43.48 | maligor | aside that it skips all software mixers |
| 19:43.54 | EmleyMoor | oss is old hat |
| 19:44.04 | elik | ^ old and deprecated |
| 19:44.08 | maligor | if they get CUSE in the kernel someday, it'll be userspace virtualized |
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| 19:44.31 | elik | CUSE? |
| 19:44.59 | jonny66 | So no ideas on how to reclaim my sound card after using aoss? |
| 19:45.06 | maligor | it allows you to implement character devices in userspace, like fuse |
| 19:45.23 | EmleyMoor | jonny66: How did you use aoss? |
| 19:45.24 | maligor | or rather, it's a patchset for fuse allowing it to do that |
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| 19:45.52 | elik | maligor, Character devices??? |
| 19:46.10 | maligor | yes, character devices |
| 19:46.30 | utabak | ryanarchy: your last remark would be that he also formated the root partition |
| 19:46.34 | utabak | for debian |
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| 19:46.47 | maligor | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tj/ossp/ |
| 19:47.00 | jonny66 | EmleyMoor: I started skype (older version that uses oss) and then i cant get any sound output from anything else than skype |
| 19:47.18 | elik | jonny66, from what I know, if oss is being used, fuser should return something... can you play any other sound at all atm? it might just be a config problem with skype |
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| 19:47.56 | roe_ | anyone know if I can do pdf2png? |
| 19:48.17 | EmleyMoor | jonny66: Did it use aoss on its own or did you have to do something to use it? |
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| 19:48.39 | jonny66 | EmleyMoor: i didnt do any configurations |
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| 19:49.28 | EmleyMoor | jonny66: Never mind configuration - are you saying it used aoss by itself? |
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| 19:49.48 | elik | maligor, thx for the link |
| 19:50.02 | Fertig | hi all ! |
| 19:50.05 | jonny66 | EmleyMoor: no thatsjust an assumption made by me and elik |
| 19:50.42 | EmleyMoor | jonny66: So you actually mean "If it did, yes." |
| 19:50.45 | Fertig | need help all packets i try install with apt-get i get this error http://rafb.net/p/j67Zzi33.html |
| 19:51.16 | jonny66 | EmleyMoor: yes |
| 19:51.31 | maligor | anyway, oss has it's uses, it's a lot simpler than alsa for one |
| 19:51.34 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... I think I had a problem like this once but cannot remember how I solved it |
| 19:52.00 | maligor | on a modern desktop it wouldn't really matter but for embedded |
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| 19:52.13 | elik | jonny66, I never assumed skype used aoss, you have to make it do it |
| 19:52.30 | jonny66 | elik: ok |
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| 19:52.45 | jonny66 | Then there is something else at play |
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| 19:52.54 | elik | jonny66, it's a program you can install, then start your program with it |
| 19:53.04 | elik | jonny66, like "aoss skype" |
| 19:53.07 | jonny66 | i know |
| 19:53.14 | elik | jonny66, and then, aoss will wrap skype.. ok |
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| 19:53.35 | jonny66 | It would be easier just to blame oss... |
| 19:53.54 | Setebos | Fertig, try apt-get update first, then upgrade, then install |
| 19:54.16 | utabak | ryanarchy: can you have a look at my partition output table if possible? |
| 19:54.16 | jonny66 | elik: what is the corresponding /dev for alsa. Oss uses /dev/oss... |
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| 19:54.30 | Fertig | Setebos i hafe already make apt-get update but same error |
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| 19:54.41 | Fertig | for all packets the same message |
| 19:54.48 | acu | how can I know my ip address on ethernet card ? |
| 19:54.56 | ajavid | acu, ifconfig |
| 19:55.05 | elik | jonny66, alsa doesn't work with a device... or at least, not a blocking one like oss.. it works with mixers, but I'm not too sure of the details |
| 19:55.14 | Setebos | fertig, just apt-get update, not spefying a package |
| 19:55.17 | ajavid | or for your external ip,wan side, google whats my ip |
| 19:55.20 | elik | jonny66, why don't you just install a new version of skype? |
| 19:55.36 | Setebos | acu /sbin/ifconfig |
| 19:55.45 | jonny66 | elik: i have the same problem when im using tv out and mplayer... |
| 19:55.50 | ajavid | skype isn't supported here, its non-free, closed, and it sucks |
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| 19:56.11 | ajavid | just becuase they produce a shitty .deb package does not mean we have to support it here |
| 19:56.12 | Fertig | Setebos yes i do so |
| 19:56.36 | Fertig | i think my sources.list is bad |
| 19:56.38 | n3kl_ | ajavid: I like moanmyip better |
| 19:56.41 | n3kl_ | =] |
| 19:56.44 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:56.49 | ajavid | n3kl_, i know you |
| 19:56.54 | ajavid | why |
| 19:57.04 | n3kl_ | meh |
| 19:57.11 | Setebos | jonny66, as far as I know oss don't allow multiple use of the soundcard, that's why esound was developped, and then alsa |
| 19:57.11 | ajavid | eh, w/e |
| 19:57.16 | elik | ajavid, he's not having skype issues, it's sound issues |
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| 19:57.25 | ajavid | yes, sound issues related to skype |
| 19:57.27 | swolchok | any quick hack I can do to get python2.6 packaged faster? I can code but have little time |
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| 19:57.34 | elik | ajavid, no |
| 19:57.35 | Fertig | Setebos this is me sources.list http://rafb.net/p/gknPKA90.html |
| 19:57.36 | elik | ajavid, read |
| 19:57.38 | jonny66 | Ok. But there must be some way to see wich apps that are using alsa since playing a sound is the same thing as writing to a file... |
| 19:57.39 | ajavid | skype will take over your sound card and will NEVER let you multiplex |
| 19:57.39 | Setebos | Fertig, what does apt-get update reports to you ? |
| 19:57.45 | n3kl_ | ajavid: prolly cause we are both on irc lots |
| 19:57.47 | ajavid | regardless of what you can do |
| 19:57.57 | swolchok | also, can I update to squeeze without breaking everything horribly? |
| 19:58.02 | Setebos | jonny66, lsof ? |
| 19:58.02 | elik | ajavid, so would any other program using oss... |
| 19:58.06 | n3kl_ | So does any other sound play pre-skype startup? |
| 19:58.27 | ajavid | elik, alsa-oss? |
| 19:58.34 | ajavid | alsa oss wrapper |
| 19:58.40 | elik | ajavid, yeah yeah, I know |
| 19:58.53 | Fertig | Setebos apt-get update report this http://rafb.net/p/nVGeLw53.html |
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| 19:58.56 | elik | ajavid, but maybe he doesn't want to start every single fucking program with aoss |
| 19:59.09 | ajavid | that would be fucking painful |
| 19:59.11 | ajavid | :/ |
| 19:59.29 | Setebos | Fertig, ok, one problem can be your cdrom, comment this entry, the other might be etch, since lenny is no the stable release, may be the etch repository have gone, (not sure). |
| 19:59.36 | elik | ajavid, indeed |
| 19:59.37 | jonny66 | Setebos: perfect and what file sould i be looking for? |
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| 19:59.51 | ajavid | whats today? |
| 19:59.53 | ajavid | wed. |
| 20:00.03 | EmleyMoor | ajavid: Language! |
| 20:00.08 | Fertig | i hafe debian etch installed not lenny |
| 20:00.12 | ajavid | EmleyMoor, yes, python |
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| 20:00.31 | Setebos | jonny66, don't know, /dev/audio ? |
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| 20:00.55 | ajavid | Fertig, what are you trying to do, what is the problem? |
| 20:01.02 | drwn | hello everybody |
| 20:01.03 | Setebos | Fertig, it seems the apt-get update has completed nicely , so no, apt-get upgrade |
| 20:01.13 | Fertig | ajavid i cant ger any package from apt |
| 20:01.18 | cahoot | jonny66: fuser -v /dev/sdn/* /dev/dsp* |
| 20:01.26 | cahoot | err /dev/snd/* |
| 20:01.31 | EmleyMoor | Fertig: What happens whes you try? |
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| 20:01.43 | EmleyMoor | when* |
| 20:01.59 | Fertig | this happens wen i try http://rafb.net/p/j67Zzi33.html |
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| 20:02.29 | Fertig | apt-cache search finds packets but i cant install it |
| 20:02.35 | EmleyMoor | Fertig: Is that since you did the update? |
| 20:02.46 | EmleyMoor | This sounds like broken pinning |
| 20:02.52 | Setebos | Fertig, after update, try upgrade |
| 20:02.52 | Fertig | what update you mean ? |
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| 20:03.00 | jonny66 | cahoot: fuser -v /dev/snd/* lists amarok, mplayer etc but not skype for some reason |
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| 20:03.19 | Fertig | yes i already try apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 20:03.28 | EmleyMoor | We had a case of broken pinning yesterday IIRC |
| 20:03.29 | Fertig | same error |
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| 20:03.34 | ajavid | Fertig, pastebin sources.list, /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 20:03.50 | Fertig | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:04.47 | ajavid | Fertig, you can comment out the cdrom line, you don't need it anymore (unless you use the cd) |
| 20:05.02 | Fertig | yes i i comment aout cdrom |
| 20:05.04 | ajavid | Fertig, you also don't need deb-src unless you download source pacakges |
| 20:05.08 | ajavid | comment that out too |
| 20:05.11 | EmleyMoor | Still need your preferences |
| 20:05.14 | ajavid | (its not relevant, but just making it clean) |
| 20:05.16 | Setebos | Fertig what about to dist-upgrade to lenny ? |
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| 20:06.07 | Fertig | i prefer to remain with debian 4 for now i hafe first to learn better use debian im newbie |
| 20:06.24 | ajavid | Fertig, pastebin /etc/apt/preferences |
| 20:06.28 | elik | Fertig, you know it's hate not hafe, right? |
| 20:06.35 | ajavid | elik, have. |
| 20:06.38 | Fertig | ok ajavid one momens pls |
| 20:06.57 | simonrvn | "hafe" ~= "have" |
| 20:07.00 | elik | right |
| 20:07.02 | ajavid | v/f |
| 20:07.05 | elik | oups :P |
| 20:07.29 | Fertig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.31 | ajavid | simonrvn, hi |
| 20:07.49 | EmleyMoor | As I thought! |
| 20:07.55 | ajavid | yeh |
| 20:07.59 | ajavid | take out the bottom 3 pins |
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| 20:08.34 | simonrvn | hi |
| 20:08.43 | boxxertrumps | anyone know how i can add a user to the sudoers list? i can't make any sense of the sudoedit manpage |
| 20:08.47 | ajavid | Fertig, http://rafb.net/p/B3RUXH17.html |
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| 20:09.56 | charelB_ | Hi , I'm installing currently ( it's already done but ) Debian Lenny 5.0 and debian does not see/support my Wlan card , how can I install now a driver for my card :/ it's a NETINST :/ |
| 20:09.59 | Fertig | ajavid replace my preferences with this ? |
| 20:10.02 | EmleyMoor | I have a problem with polling on one of my drives. If I try to disable it (with hal-disable-polling) it tells me it is aready disabled. If I try to enable it, I get this: Cannot find fdi file /etc/hal/fdi/information/media-check-disable-storage_model_DVDRW_IDE_H16X.fdi. Perhaps polling wasn't disabled using this tool? |
| 20:10.10 | Setebos | boxxertrumps, visudo to edit the sudoers, what command would you like to sudo ? |
| 20:10.20 | EmleyMoor | I have never knowingly used any other tool |
| 20:10.40 | boxxertrumps | Setebos: package management stuff |
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| 20:11.38 | ajavid | Fertig, yes |
| 20:11.45 | Fertig | ajavid ok |
| 20:11.49 | charelB_ | :/ |
| 20:12.02 | Setebos | add this for example : boxxertrumps ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt-get, /usr/bin/apt-cache |
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| 20:12.14 | ajavid | ahh yeah |
| 20:12.18 | ajavid | thats not good. |
| 20:12.23 | simonrvn | you don't need sudo for apt-cache |
| 20:12.28 | ajavid | don't tell him to use nopasswd for apt-get |
| 20:12.34 | ajavid | whats the matter with you |
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| 20:12.42 | mordy_ | hey, is there a way to have dependency handling ignored for package X? |
| 20:12.43 | boxxertrumps | haha |
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| 20:12.50 | Setebos | yes ajavid this is a bad idea, i agree |
| 20:12.54 | mordy_ | in aptitude, that is... not with dpkg --force-depends |
| 20:13.09 | ajavid | mordy_, pacakge trickery |
| 20:13.20 | simonrvn | so why give it out if you also think it's a bad idea? don't even use it yourself. |
| 20:13.29 | boxxertrumps | yeah, if someone walks over to my computer i don't want to gamble that they know something about unix |
| 20:13.44 | ajavid | mordy_, and I don't know much.. but I'd say... get the source package, take out the depends, (not the build-depends) and rebuild? |
| 20:13.47 | Fertig | ajavid Thank you very much now works fine :) |
| 20:13.57 | boxxertrumps | i thinki get it now though |
| 20:14.00 | Setebos | simonrvn, no i don't even use it myself, cause it don't bother me to have a root shell opened somewhere |
| 20:14.01 | mordy_ | ajavid: so just install ti manually? |
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| 20:14.06 | mordy_ | i mean, just copy the files etc? |
| 20:14.09 | ajavid | as for ignoring dependencies, I would consult man apt-get or man aptitude though I've never heard of this though |
| 20:14.17 | mordy_ | yeah... i guess so... but hmm.. |
| 20:14.23 | ajavid | mordy_, if you come to my house on my birthday I'll show you |
| 20:14.26 | ajavid | how about that |
| 20:14.30 | mordy_ | lol |
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| 20:14.41 | mordy_ | ajavid: oh, forgot youo changed your name |
| 20:14.46 | ajavid | no no |
| 20:15.00 | EmleyMoor | I just tried to log into a machine as "roo" - I'll be trying as "kanga" next! |
| 20:15.20 | ajavid | mordy_, I'm not positive how to completely ignore the depends |
| 20:15.26 | boxxertrumps | Thanks guys |
| 20:15.35 | Setebos | boxxertrumps, as the guys says here, it is a real bad Idea to do so, a severe security issue, you should be warned for that |
| 20:15.47 | Fertig | ajavid what was the reason for my problem ? |
| 20:15.49 | mordy_ | ajavid: well, it worked anyway... i removed the problematic package |
| 20:16.00 | mordy_ | i guess i can remove the depends in the original deb.. but that's not c'lean' |
| 20:16.04 | ajavid | dpkg has -ignore-depends |
| 20:16.04 | dpkg | ajavid: wish i knew |
| 20:16.07 | ajavid | I think |
| 20:16.15 | ajavid | dpkg -i --ignore-depends ? |
| 20:16.16 | dpkg | removes a kidney from ajavid and replaces it with --ignore-depends |
| 20:16.16 | ajavid | perhaps |
| 20:16.22 | mordy_ | ajavid: dpkg does... but aptitude will still complain |
| 20:16.26 | boxxertrumps | i know, Setebos, but i see a %admin line, i think i'll just append that to my group list |
| 20:16.40 | boxxertrumps | this is better, indeed |
| 20:17.02 | charelB_ | Hi , I'm installing currently ( it's already done but ) Debian Lenny 5.0 and debian does not see/support my Wlan card , how can I install now a driver for my card :/ it's a NETINST :/ |
| 20:17.27 | ajavid | well |
| 20:17.35 | ajavid | aptitude/apt-get call dpkg for low level stuff as always |
| 20:17.47 | mordy_ | yeah... |
| 20:17.54 | ajavid | I woder if you can donfigure something for dpkg config so it ignore the depends for the packages you specify |
| 20:18.01 | ajavid | so you don't have to use dpkg to isntall so it will work with apt-get |
| 20:18.03 | ajavid | I have no idea |
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| 20:18.05 | ajavid | just a thought |
| 20:18.15 | mordy_ | ajavid: i guess modify the 'control' file? |
| 20:18.38 | ajavid | thats for taking it out sure thats where you do stuff |
| 20:18.48 | ajavid | don't take out the build depends just what the package depends on |
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| 20:19.02 | simonrvn | boxxertrumps: sometimes a group thing will work fine ;). |
| 20:19.03 | Mr-R | charelB_: whats the type of the card? you might need a firmware-package |
| 20:19.21 | elik | kinky simonrvn |
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| 20:19.42 | simonrvn | elik: dirty mind :P |
| 20:19.47 | ajavid | simonrvn, post me a powwow on FB ? |
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| 20:19.55 | ajavid | been a while since I heard that |
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| 20:20.02 | elik | pffff :P |
| 20:20.06 | charelB_ | MR-R it's a DLINK DWL G-510 with a RaLink Chip |
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| 20:20.10 | simonrvn | um, no. google it. |
| 20:20.20 | ajavid | awww but how would I know whats good? |
| 20:20.55 | shams | how can i edit a pdf file properties like producer and author and...? |
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| 20:21.04 | Setebos | charelB_, Ralink have drivers sources that can be downloaded from their site |
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| 20:21.38 | Mr-R | charelB_: is it in package http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-ralink ? |
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| 20:23.07 | charelB_ | dunno what chip type it is ... or serial number ... how can I get the chip model? |
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| 20:23.34 | Setebos | charelB_, lsusb |
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| 20:24.01 | Setebos | and then googling with device and vendor id |
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| 20:25.17 | charelB_ | hm ... weird |
| 20:25.35 | charelB_ | there is no ralink/realtek chip listed |
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| 20:25.41 | charelB_ | only a D-LINK |
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| 20:26.26 | elik | charelB_, you can look at dmesg before and after plugging your device too, if it's a plugin device |
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| 20:27.13 | Mr-R | charelB_: a network cable for the install is impossible? you can add firmware and wlan connectivity later... |
| 20:27.49 | Setebos | I insist lsusb if it's usb, lspci otherwise, to get vendor and device id, then consult the pci database |
| 20:28.23 | charelB_ | nope is not possible |
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| 20:29.22 | chrlB | sorry |
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| 20:29.29 | chrlB | mibbit disconnected me |
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| 20:31.46 | valdyn | chrlB: why would the chip be listed? |
| 20:31.50 | valdyn | gah |
| 20:31.59 | valdyn | chrlB: why would the chip be listed? |
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| 20:33.20 | lkjlkjlkjlkj | oh lnn uilg |
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| 20:35.03 | bolt | why is basilisk2 only in unstable? or am i wrong here? |
| 20:35.25 | valdyn | !versions basilisk2 |
| 20:35.42 | valdyn | judd: versions basilisk2 |
| 20:35.43 | judd | valdyn: basilisk2 -- sid/contrib: 0.9.20070407-4 |
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| 20:36.01 | bolt | think it used to be in etch |
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| 20:36.13 | bolt | might be wrong though |
| 20:36.20 | valdyn | bolt: i dont think judd is tracking etch still |
| 20:36.27 | dondelelcaro | it's not in etch |
| 20:36.34 | dondelelcaro | (I don't remember if it ever was or not) |
| 20:36.47 | dondelelcaro | rmadison basilisk2; is your friend |
| 20:37.00 | bolt | it's not exactly new (2001) and it is relatively stable... |
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| 20:37.24 | dondelelcaro | bolt: #337496 would be one bug for starters |
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| 20:37.30 | msbhvn | howdy, so i've got one iface with two ips, one on eth0 and one on eth0:0, it seems the one on eth0:0 is the default src ip for outgoing connections, I can change this with the 'ip' command, but was wondering what the regular debian was (how to make it persistent after reboots w/o a script) |
| 20:39.04 | valdyn | msbhvn: you can put the ip command in a post-up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:39.55 | valdyn | msbhvn: but outgoing should also depend on your route |
| 20:39.59 | msbhvn | valdyn: indeed, thats sorta my backup plan |
| 20:40.09 | valdyn | msbhvn: eth0:0 is your preferred route? |
| 20:40.12 | msbhvn | valdyn: yeah i can see that i have two default routes |
| 20:40.23 | msbhvn | one that says 'via' the alias ip |
| 20:40.29 | msbhvn | both with metrics of 100 |
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| 20:40.34 | valdyn | msbhvn: that means you also have 2 gateways in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:40.46 | msbhvn | valdyn: yep |
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| 20:40.50 | valdyn | msbhvn: which is kind of pointless |
| 20:40.56 | msbhvn | oh |
| 20:41.12 | msbhvn | if i took that gateway out of the alias entry you think that would do it? |
| 20:41.19 | msbhvn | they are the same gateway.. |
| 20:41.25 | valdyn | msbhvn: sure |
| 20:41.28 | msbhvn | i think that would do it |
| 20:41.30 | msbhvn | thanks |
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| 20:41.51 | amartin83 | hi guys, I'am trying to install newest intel drivers, but get this message: autogen.sh: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: access denied |
| 20:42.11 | amartin83 | also the same when installing new xserver |
| 20:42.16 | acu | how do you update the system - apt-get update then what ? |
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| 20:42.34 | valdyn | acu: apt-get upgrade |
| 20:42.45 | acu | thanks valdyn |
| 20:42.48 | amartin83 | acu, now, i just get them from the site |
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| 20:43.23 | valdyn | acu: and watch held back or kept back packages, you will notice if theres any, dist-upgrade is also possible but more dangerous |
| 20:43.26 | amartin83 | acu, i did update and upgrade system yesterday |
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| 20:45.02 | amartin83 | I used aptitude dist-upgrade, now i'm in squeeze, earlier lenny |
| 20:45.27 | amartin83 | but the point is, that this error was earlier too |
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| 20:45.52 | valdyn | amartin83: ls -l /bin/sh |
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| 20:46.50 | amartin83 | valdyn, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 mar 4 20:55 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 20:47.06 | bolt | dondelelcaro, valdyn: thanks. i'll try backporting it from sid then. |
| 20:47.07 | foetus | Hologram_Slim: my bash problem is gone, i have realized it with cd *$( for i in `pwd | grep -o [0-9\.]` ; do echo -n $i ; done )* and it works like a charm, thanks :) |
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| 20:47.26 | simNIX | Umut; is it needed to spam me when I enter this room with porn link ? |
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| 20:48.02 | bolt | confirm UmuT spamming |
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| 20:48.07 | amartin83 | vadyn. ls -l /bin/bash: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 700492 maj 12 2008 /bin/bash |
| 20:48.11 | Hologram_Slim | foetus: sure. i was just kidding anyways ;) |
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| 20:48.18 | valdyn | amartin83: i saw that, yea, ls -ld /tmp/ |
| 20:48.39 | amartin83 | valdyn, the other one is with bash, first was sh |
| 20:48.48 | foetus | Hologram_Slim: a simple workaround to read out the version number out of a directory path, nothing special.. |
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| 20:49.04 | Hologram_Slim | foetus: i see |
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| 20:49.23 | amartin83 | valdyn, drwxrwxrwxt 8 root root 4096 mar 4 21:14 /tmp/ |
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| 20:49.44 | valdyn | amartin83: who fucked that one up anyway? |
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| 20:50.06 | valdyn | amartin83: gah |
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| 20:50.09 | valdyn | amartin83: its ok nm |
| 20:50.34 | amartin83 | valdyn, i just try to install new drivers to intel vga card and new xserver |
| 20:50.48 | ajavid | this is retarded..... l;kajd;fjakd fuck man |
| 20:50.51 | amartin83 | so don't know what could this mess up |
| 20:50.51 | ajavid | c'mon |
| 20:50.55 | valdyn | amartin83: sure, whatever, your issue is more general |
| 20:51.00 | ajavid | I forgot to hold php5-cli |
| 20:51.21 | ajavid | fucking thing got upgraded, and that sucks, cuz I had rebuilt mine with readline support :( now i have to rebuilt the new version again |
| 20:51.28 | amartin83 | valdyn, how to fix this? |
| 20:51.45 | valdyn | amartin83: try running "sh configure" instead of "./configure" |
| 20:52.01 | ajavid | configure script is not executable? |
| 20:52.05 | ajavid | weird |
| 20:52.11 | foetus | Hologram_Slim: the real problem was, the fakeroot for creating packages was making my entire script useless .) |
| 20:52.58 | foetus | Hologram_Slim: But now it works. Thanks. |
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| 20:53.31 | valdyn | amartin83: why is that directory mounted noexec ? |
| 20:53.36 | dustybin | if i want my apple os x laptop to connect to my debian ssh server using sshfs, do i need to do anything to my ssh server before i can let that happen? |
| 20:53.40 | amartin83 | valdyn, checking for C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs |
| 20:53.40 | valdyn | amartin83: why is that filesystem mounted noexec ? |
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| 20:55.12 | valdyn | amartin83: or paste the output of "mount" on a paste site |
| 20:55.24 | amartin83 | valdyn, ok |
| 20:55.41 | amartin83 | valdyn, U are right, they are noexec |
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| 20:56.30 | valdyn | dustybin: nope |
| 20:56.41 | amartin83 | valdyn, http://pastebin.pl/5837 |
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| 20:57.25 | valdyn | amartin83: this looks very strange, did you do all that? |
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| 20:58.06 | valdyn | amartin83: dont run unix programs from vfat filesystems |
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| 20:58.20 | amartin83 | the system was upgraded firstly from stable to testing, lenny and upgraded many times, last time yesterday to squeeze, maby that's why |
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| 20:58.26 | valdyn | amartin83: it will create sublte untrackable problems |
| 20:58.56 | amartin83 | valdyn, didn't know that. So if i just copy this to ext3 then all should be right? |
| 20:59.09 | valdyn | amartin83: well, probably |
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| 20:59.24 | amartin83 | valdyn, i'll try that right away |
| 20:59.30 | valdyn | amartin83: you should extract the tar.gz file to an ext3 fs |
| 20:59.37 | Dude4Sale | https://affiliates.izea.com/event/1260-129-1325 |
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| 21:00.42 | amartin83 | valdyn, ok, trying now |
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| 21:04.49 | amartin83 | valdyn, yes, YES YES YES, finally it's working!! Thank U a 1000 times, been looking solution for this since last night |
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| 21:05.16 | tenemag | I'm trying to install iSCSI on a debian server with no luck, can someone help? |
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| 21:06.27 | plsd | How can I export my podcast feeds from rhythmbox to move them to gpodder? I have lots and I'm too lazy to do it manually :) |
| 21:06.35 | esaym | hello newbie here, I have a large project for the first time in my life. I want to use a versioning system. Should i use git or svn? |
| 21:06.44 | esaym | I have never used either |
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| 21:06.59 | vyrgozunqk | guys is there anyway to install kde 4.2.1 to debian ?! |
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| 21:07.10 | vyrgozunqk | without compiling it |
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| 21:07.28 | tenemag | can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 21:08.20 | Geek`N`Proud | vyrgozunqk, yes there is |
| 21:08.37 | vyrgozunqk | and what would it be ? |
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| 21:08.40 | vyrgozunqk | :) |
| 21:09.04 | Geek`N`Proud | vyrgozunqk, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 21:10.36 | vyrgozunqk | Geek`N`Proud, are you sure that it's 4.2.1, not only 4.2 |
| 21:10.52 | vyrgozunqk | cause i'll have to upgrade the whole system, cause i'm with lenny :/ |
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| 21:11.54 | Geek`N`Proud | erm.. not sure there no |
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| 21:12.02 | Geek`N`Proud | but they build the latest that will work |
| 21:12.12 | vyrgozunqk | :/ |
| 21:12.14 | Geek`N`Proud | lemme check |
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| 21:12.39 | Geek`N`Proud | vyrgozunqk, http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org |
| 21:12.49 | Geek`N`Proud | parts are 4.2.1 other parts are just 4.2.0 |
| 21:13.08 | Geek`N`Proud | that's in experimental |
| 21:13.17 | ingw3 | hello. i have dell poweredge r200 with 2 sata 250GB disks. In bios both disk shows up and even windows installation see both disks. but then i try install any linux distro - i get just first disk listed. anybody? |
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| 21:13.31 | vyrgozunqk | tank you all guys |
| 21:13.43 | Geek`N`Proud | ingw3, perhaps your box has SATA port multipliers |
| 21:13.44 | rrplay | tenemag,: try looking at this http://www.debianadmin.com/step-by-step-guide-how-to-use-open-iscsi-and-debian-etch.html |
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| 21:14.05 | ma3x | why after a while when i remap the keys with xmodmap, they restore? i even put them in .Xmodmap but for some reason after 15 mins they don't work anymore |
| 21:14.08 | Geek`N`Proud | ingw3, the latest kernel supports them.. so try upgrading the kernel to 2.6.28 or 2.6.29 |
| 21:14.32 | abrotman | ingw3: which linux distro? |
| 21:14.39 | tenemag | rrplay: thanks, i'll take a look |
| 21:14.41 | ingw3 | Geek`N`Proud: i downloaded latest lenny - debian 5 |
| 21:14.47 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 21:14.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kmuto is For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
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| 21:15.03 | ingw3 | abrotman: debian 5 - lenny |
| 21:15.19 | rrplay | tenemag, :: another page http://www.howtoforge.com/iscsi_on_linux |
| 21:15.22 | ingw3 | also tryed with centos 5.1 and ubuntu 8.10 |
| 21:15.34 | Geek`N`Proud | ingw3, I mean the latest kernel |
| 21:15.37 | Geek`N`Proud | not the latest distro |
| 21:15.49 | Geek`N`Proud | distros are behind on the latest Linux kernel |
| 21:16.12 | Geek`N`Proud | and CentOS 5.1 is very behind |
| 21:16.20 | ingw3 | Geek`N`Proud: but i want setup software RAID. so i cant just install distro on one disk |
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| 21:16.49 | Geek`N`Proud | ingw3, the latest kernel may work with it |
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| 21:17.02 | Geek`N`Proud | try Fedora 11's BETA or something |
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| 21:17.13 | ingw3 | Geek`N`Proud: how can i get latest kernel on install disk? |
| 21:17.33 | ingw3 | Geek`N`Proud: dont want beta - i need stable |
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| 21:18.24 | Geek`N`Proud | ingw3, then there's not much any of us can do for you.. because you will need to replace components and make a custom kernel most likely |
| 21:18.33 | FoxM | Hi there. It seems that Iceweasel can't find the fonts for proper display of eastern characters. How can I fix this? |
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| 21:18.44 | Geek`N`Proud | you know RHEL 5.3 has new hardware support |
| 21:18.51 | Geek`N`Proud | perhaps CentOS will come out with 5.3 soon |
| 21:19.22 | ingw3 | Geek`N`Proud: thanks for help |
| 21:19.40 | abrotman | ingw3: see the kmuto link above |
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| 21:20.03 | engla | hi. how are python-gtk2 and related packages handled? will they enter unstable soon? I'd love to get coding with some new features |
| 21:20.41 | ingw3 | abrotman: what link? |
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| 21:22.05 | rrplay | ingw3, :: he means this one http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 21:22.22 | ingw3 | thanks guys |
| 21:22.31 | Sifre | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| 21:22.32 | Sifre | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.32 | Sifre | Aborted |
| 21:22.38 | Sifre | in debian |
| 21:22.43 | Sifre | what is this* |
| 21:23.01 | abrotman | !tell ingw3 about kmuto |
| 21:23.31 | Sifre | ananýn amý:D |
| 21:23.34 | Sifre | snfþaskfds |
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| 21:23.43 | Sifre | muhauahaua |
| 21:23.45 | ingw3 | abrotman: thanks a lot! |
| 21:23.50 | Sifre | lan o.clarý |
| 21:23.52 | Sifre | konussanýza |
| 21:23.54 | Sifre | picler |
| 21:23.54 | Sifre | :D |
| 21:24.02 | Sifre | hepinizin a.q |
| 21:24.03 | Sifre | :D |
| 21:24.07 | Sifre | ne mal adamsýnýz siz |
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| 21:24.34 | Sifre | Thanks |
| 21:24.35 | Sifre | all |
| 21:24.36 | Sifre | :) |
| 21:25.09 | utabak | is there a good d dual boot partitioning guide, both OSes are Linux, with some examples |
| 21:25.10 | engla | Sifre: please? |
| 21:25.11 | abrotman | !tell lkjlkjlkjlkj about away |
| 21:25.13 | lkjlkjlkjlkj | abrotman, não estou aqui. (Auto-Away após 20 minutos idle) HH 4.3 |
| 21:25.24 | abrotman | freaking stupid script |
| 21:25.32 | Sifre | !tell sex |
| 21:25.36 | abrotman | Sifre: stop |
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| 21:26.02 | Sifre | !tell abrotman about sex |
| 21:26.08 | jelly-home | just kick it |
| 21:26.14 | abrotman | Sifre: stop playing with the bot |
| 21:26.27 | Sifre | thanks |
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| 21:27.03 | pingouin | hello |
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| 21:28.20 | pingouin | how can i stop a module to be loaded at boot time by kernel ? i have added the module in blacklist and blacklist.local but...the modules is still loaded, i run a debian stock kernel |
| 21:28.36 | Sifre | !tell p0g0 about sex |
| 21:28.52 | FoxM | Hi there. It seems that Iceweasel can't find the fonts for proper display of eastern characters. How can I fix this? |
| 21:29.04 | zinx | FoxM: install them |
| 21:29.10 | pingouin | i am sure there is a command to do after add the module in the blacklist but...dont know which one |
| 21:29.19 | cahoot | pingouin: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:29.21 | chrlB | hum |
| 21:29.25 | pingouin | dpkg-reconfigure xxx |
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| 21:29.40 | pingouin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.43 | rrplay | utabak, :: look here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/dual-boot-two-linux-distros-564582/ |
| 21:29.46 | chrlB | why are there listed so much iso CD's of 650 mb ... need only one o.O? |
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| 21:30.08 | abrotman | Sifre: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 21:30.12 | CentHOGG | hi, I'm trying to mount my initrd.img so I can look inside. I used |
| 21:30.14 | CentHOGG | mount -o loop initrd.img-2.6 /mnt/initrd |
| 21:30.20 | FoxM | zinx: thaks... can you tell me how? or where can I read about those asian fonts? |
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| 21:30.34 | CentHOGG | and it wants to know the filesystem type, what should I add to correct that? thx |
| 21:30.35 | rrplay | utabak, OK to share /swap not recomended to share /home between 2 distos |
| 21:30.47 | chrlB | anyone can help me? |
| 21:30.55 | rrplay | utabak, :: the 2 nd install grub to mbr |
| 21:30.57 | zinx | FoxM: the Bitstream fonts have a lot of coverage, I think |
| 21:31.12 | chrlB | why are there listed so much iso CD's of 650 mb ... need only one o.O? |
| 21:31.24 | zinx | FoxM: apt-cache search ttf unicode |
| 21:31.39 | petemc | CentHOGG: /msg dpkg initrd modules |
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| 21:32.27 | pingouin | cahoot: dpkg does not awser me |
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| 21:32.32 | CentHOGG | petemc: I have to install progs just to see inside? |
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| 21:32.52 | petemc | CentHOGG: you dont have cpio ? |
| 21:32.59 | tenemag | having an issue setting up an iscsi TARGET on a debian machine |
| 21:33.04 | cahoot | pingouin: strange - it sure responds here |
| 21:33.11 | tenemag | can anyone give a hand? |
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| 21:33.17 | utabak | rrplay: Actually I have a strange problem, I had debian and today our system admin installed OpenSuse aside with that but the point now I guess he deleted the swap created during the installation of swap and created a new larger one. But the point is that I can not boot into debian anymore, I get a unable to find swap space signature error. |
| 21:33.20 | CentHOGG | petemc: how do you mount a initrd.img? |
| 21:33.25 | pingouin | cahoot: i am identified |
| 21:33.25 | petemc | CentHOGG: you dont |
| 21:33.37 | cahoot | pingouin: you need rebuild the iniramfs |
| 21:33.37 | CentHOGG | no way |
| 21:33.58 | utabak | rrplay: And unfortunately he did the unrecommended now I share the home whereas i can not boot into Debian |
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| 21:34.09 | pingouin | cahoot: yes but i dont know which dpkg-reconfigure xxx package to do |
| 21:34.33 | pingouin | cahoot: i have tried the linux kernel the module-init-tools no success |
| 21:34.35 | pi31415 | How do I find out what drive this is from? ata6: SError: { 10B8B BadCRC } |
| 21:34.48 | utabak | rrplay: he deleted the swap created during the installation of Debian |
| 21:34.50 | pingouin | cahoot: i am just stuck sorry to disturb |
| 21:34.53 | cahoot | pingouin: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 21:34.56 | rrplay | utabek:: now problem send him here |
| 21:35.23 | rrplay | utabek: are you using shared /home dir between suse and debian ?/ |
| 21:35.52 | utabak | rrplay: ok I will let him know, for the moment I am looking for a cure without a fresh install is that possible? |
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| 21:36.21 | tenemag | can anyone please help? |
| 21:36.33 | petemc | utabak: not having swap shouldnt stop it from booting |
| 21:36.40 | rrplay | utabek:: the. dot files in /home are uniquie to the 2 distros |
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| 21:37.08 | pingouin | cahoot: thank you |
| 21:37.29 | utabak | rrplay: there is also another problem which I can not understand is that Opensuse is also not restarting and shutting down properly, can this be a problem also related to partition problems? |
| 21:37.58 | zleap | is there a way to force a fsck on boot |
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| 21:38.07 | petemc | touch /forcefsck |
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| 21:38.11 | utabak | petemc: ok then there is sth wrong in the primary partition allocated to debian? |
| 21:38.27 | rrplay | utabek:: if me I would back whatver and start again with both and possibly come to IRC if nec |
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| 21:38.37 | petemc | utabak: how would i know |
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| 21:38.49 | utabak | petemc: :) |
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| 21:39.00 | utabak | petemc: that is right? |
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| 21:39.28 | petemc | utabak: i was responding to your statement regarding it not booting because of swap |
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| 21:39.46 | utabak | petemc: did you read my message about the swap message I got from debian |
| 21:39.51 | utabak | petemc: ok I see |
| 21:40.02 | kelt | hi, I'm trying to get 1280x1024 resolution in X11 but it only goes up to 1024x768 |
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| 21:41.13 | kelt | the X11.0.log has a mode 1280x1024_59.9 listed though |
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| 21:41.33 | kelt | and I've had my resolution set to 1280x1024 before I upgraded from etch to lenny |
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| 21:42.42 | petemc | kelt: you could try to change it with xrandr |
| 21:42.50 | rrplay | utabak, : you can also check out /etc/fstab to see where the /swap is on each if possible along with fdsk -l |
| 21:42.52 | prahal_ | kelt: do you have an xorg.conf with modelines or anything like a monitor section |
| 21:43.09 | kelt | prahal_: I do have a monitor section |
| 21:43.16 | kelt | prahal_: no modelines that I know of |
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| 21:44.25 | kelt | hmm... okay, I ran xrandr and it says Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1152 x 768, maximum 1280 x 1280 |
| 21:44.40 | prahal_ | kelt: with HorizSync VertRefresh ? what are their values ? |
| 21:45.02 | petemc | kelt: does it list 1280x1024 ? |
| 21:45.22 | kelt | HorizSync 28-51 VertRefresh 43-60 |
| 21:45.47 | kelt | petemc: no it doesn't |
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| 21:46.22 | petemc | kelt: you could try xrandr -s 1280x1024 |
| 21:46.28 | kelt | should Option DPMS be enabled? |
| 21:46.38 | petemc | if you want dpms enabled |
| 21:46.51 | prahal_ | kelt: try commenting those lines ... monitor newer than 2001 or so have edid support (which mean those values are autodetected ... yours may interfere with the autodetection for the modes |
| 21:46.59 | kelt | Size 1280x1024 not found in available modes |
| 21:47.23 | kelt | prahal_: comment the HorizSync and VertRefresh? |
| 21:47.30 | prahal_ | yes with # |
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| 21:47.59 | kelt | brb, restarting gdm |
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| 21:49.10 | pobega | Are there any good GTK+ LaTeX editors in the Debian repository? I can't seem to find one |
| 21:49.16 | chrlB | why are there listed so much iso CD's of 650 mb ... need only one o.O? |
| 21:49.33 | prahal_ | pobega: what s wrong with the kde/qt based ones ? |
| 21:49.35 | kelt | prahal_: that worked |
| 21:49.38 | kelt | prahal_: thanks |
| 21:49.40 | prahal_ | :) |
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| 21:50.03 | kelt | prahal_: I guess my monitor doesn't support 1280x1024 at a lower refresh rate? |
| 21:50.06 | pobega | prahal_: I'm just wondering if there are any GTK+ ones, there seems to be tons on Google but none in the repositories. |
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| 21:51.40 | prahal_ | kelt: xrandr would tell you . I believe it only listed the modes in the range given via HorizSync/VertRefresh (could be wrong on that, current belief that s all |
| 21:52.30 | kelt | alright |
| 21:52.35 | kelt | that is cool, thanks prahal_ |
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| 21:53.34 | acu | what is after lenny ? ( I want to install Ekiga 3. whatever) and I would like to enable the repositories for testing version so I can install EKIGA 3 - can anyone tell me how ? |
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| 21:54.37 | chrlB | netinstall suckz :/ |
| 21:54.40 | prahal_ | acu: ekiga 3 is only in experimental by now |
| 21:54.55 | acu | prahal, so that is sid ? |
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| 21:58.34 | abrotman | lkjlkjlkjlkj: please msg me when you fix your away script |
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| 22:01.55 | TimothyA | DNS problems, where do I start looking to resolve those? |
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| 22:03.19 | prahal_ | TimothyA: local dns server or local station unable to resolve hosts ? |
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| 22:04.01 | TimothyA | unable to resolve hosts |
| 22:04.26 | prahal_ | TimothyA: /etc/resolv.conf content is the start |
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| 22:04.53 | TimothyA | it has an DNS there |
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| 22:05.05 | ShoesLif1 | which browser do you use ? |
| 22:05.08 | TimothyA | one that apparently is broken by the looks of it |
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| 22:05.24 | ShoesLif1 | firefox is slooow, opera does not run, ... , give me other choices please! |
| 22:05.25 | TimothyA | I HATE THIS PROVIDER |
| 22:05.30 | prahal_ | TimothyA: can you ping www.debian.org via command line ? |
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| 22:05.48 | TimothyA | no |
| 22:05.49 | prahal_ | ShoesLif1: konqueror ? |
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| 22:05.52 | ma3x | hi fellas |
| 22:05.53 | TimothyA | anyhow, I've added openDNS's servers now |
| 22:06.01 | TimothyA | do I have to do anything else so it picks up the changes? |
| 22:06.06 | ShoesLif1 | prahal_: i'm running gnome |
| 22:06.21 | ma3x | how do i specify in /etc/cron-apt/config to mail only when security updates are available? # MAILON="upgrades" ?? |
| 22:06.45 | prahal_ | TimothyA: no . Only you would have the change lost if you run resolvconf |
| 22:07.16 | prahal_ | oh except if you have nscd . In this case /etc/init.d/nscd restart |
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| 22:07.32 | TimothyA | nope |
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| 22:07.48 | TimothyA | and it's not picking up the changes I've made |
| 22:07.52 | CentHOGG | hi, help with RAID0/initrd.img pleez... getting mdadm: no devices found for conf |
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| 22:08.45 | TimothyA | okay, now it is |
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| 22:09.30 | plsd | I have several podcast feeds in Rhythmbox and I want to export them to gPodder but apparently Rhythmbox can't export. Is there config file or anything where I can at least get the list of feeds? |
| 22:09.32 | giaco | hello |
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| 22:10.48 | giaco | I've installed libgl1-mesa-swx11-dbg over the libgl1-mesa-swx11, but I don't have the debugging symbols. how can I check if the file is linked correctly or not? |
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| 22:11.54 | prahal_ | plsd: .gnome2/rhythmbox/ ? I don't have podcasts but if you provide me with a test open sample I could check if it creates an xml file in this folder as it does for playlists (maybe they are in this file too) |
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| 22:12.47 | Sashi | question.. i have lenny 64bit atm, i have installed php5-mysql but in the phpinfo there still isnt mysql support |
| 22:13.26 | plsd | prahal_, thanks, they were in rhythmdb.xml |
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| 22:15.07 | prahal_ | giaco: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/FAQ#debugmesadri ? |
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| 22:18.03 | Sashi | hmm |
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| 22:19.33 | Sashi | would anyone know why |
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| 22:20.33 | plsd | Sashi, just a tip, keep your question in *one* message, it makes it easier to read and so the chance of getting an answer will be higher. |
| 22:21.04 | cirzgamanti` | is there an easy way to log all processes that run on a system? |
| 22:21.05 | Sashi | O.o? i did lol |
| 22:21.07 | abrotman | Sashi: check the php.ini to make sure the mysql.so is uncommented in /etc/php5/apache2/php5.ini .. and also make sure you restart apache |
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| 22:21.12 | prahal_ | Sashi: /etc/php5/apache/conf.d/mysqli.ini mysql.ini and pdo_mysql.ini (depending on the extension you are interested with |
| 22:21.18 | Sashi | lighttpd |
| 22:21.33 | Sashi | on etch 32bit it was fine |
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| 22:24.45 | abrotman | Sashi: so it uses php5-cgi ? |
| 22:24.51 | Sashi | yes |
| 22:24.58 | Sashi | fastcgi |
| 22:25.30 | giaco | prahal_, I've tried to replace the libGL symbolic link to libGL.so.1.5.070200 to the one in the debug folder but it raised an ld segmentation fault at runtime |
| 22:25.42 | prahal_ | Sashi: did the php5 packages asked you for the server to add the extension to ? |
| 22:25.47 | dkr | cirzgamanti: acct |
| 22:26.06 | Sashi | no, but even if it did i already added extension=mysql.so to php.ini |
| 22:26.16 | prahal_ | giaco: ouch no ! try to clean up the mess with ldconfig |
| 22:26.43 | abrotman | Sashi: which php.ini ? |
| 22:26.49 | Sashi | /etc/php5/cgi |
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| 22:28.22 | giaco | prahal_, same ld error on traceback |
| 22:28.39 | zinx | Rich-Boy: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 22:29.54 | giaco | prahal_, looking more carefully I can see that it's raised from libdl |
| 22:30.04 | dacs | please excuse me for this stupid question, what does it mean when someone say 16-bit code or 32-bit and 64-bit in operating system. does this relate to linux as well |
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| 22:31.46 | prahal_ | giaco: try to remove the symlinks you overridden, then ldconfig |
| 22:32.34 | lupine_85 | sqlite is everyone's friend |
| 22:32.37 | giaco | prahal_, "remove" or rollback to the initial state? |
| 22:32.52 | getBoa | Where can i find the hardwares that debian lenny supports? |
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| 22:33.26 | prahal_ | giaco: after fixing those you could run with the debug symbols via LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug |
| 22:33.26 | getBoa | I wanna know if ill have troubles with Wireless card RTL8187... |
| 22:34.02 | prahal_ | giaco: if you remind the initial state you could fix them by hand |
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| 22:35.25 | giaco | prahal_, fixed (and tested ok), going to export the variable |
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| 22:35.57 | Serge | hi |
| 22:36.06 | Serge | anyone know how to resolve this: |
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| 22:36.06 | prahal_ | getBoa: the SE version are not supported http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 . Hard to tell how well the supported one are with regards to the support of latests kernels (a lot aof things happens with regards to wifi those days |
| 22:36.14 | Caelum | how do you remove a member from a raid set? |
| 22:36.16 | Serge | sergiu@debian:~$ rtorrent |
| 22:36.16 | Serge | rtorrent: Could not lock session directory: "/home/sergiu/.session/", held by "debian:+3168". |
| 22:36.36 | Serge | can't lunch rtorrent.. |
| 22:36.37 | giaco | prahal_, it seems to load the non debug version |
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| 22:38.18 | giaco | prahal_, this is the ldd of the problem, libGL doesn't appear there http://pastie.caboo.se/407690, is that normal? |
| 22:38.47 | valdyn | dacs: that refers to the size of an integer and the multipurpose registers |
| 22:38.51 | Serge | resolved |
| 22:38.53 | Serge | :) |
| 22:39.01 | prahal_ | giaco: oups sorry export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib |
| 22:39.37 | valdyn | dacs: and the size of a pointer, but thats the same size as an integer on i386 etc |
| 22:40.04 | dacs | valdyn: thank you, i guess i have alot to read |
| 22:40.06 | dacs | :) |
| 22:40.19 | giaco | prahal_, it seems still running the non debug version |
| 22:40.33 | giaco | the backtrace confirms it |
| 22:40.39 | giaco | #0 0xb71603a5 in ?? () from /usr//lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 22:41.07 | prahal_ | giaco: could well be linux-gate if you dynamically load it otherwise libOgre manage this dependency |
| 22:41.36 | prahal_ | I mean dlopen |
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| 22:42.10 | prahal_ | giaco: find /usr/lib/debug |grep libGL.so.1 |
| 22:42.28 | giaco | prahal_, so it could be loaded dynamically within the code? |
| 22:42.38 | giaco | btw this is the backtrace http://pastie.caboo.se/407692 |
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| 22:42.39 | getBoa | prahal_: yeah you're right, specially that rtl8187, i had some many troubles with another distribution =/ Well I could use the ndiwrapper with a win xp driver, but i dont want to =/ |
| 22:43.02 | prahal_ | I don't expect it to but it could (usually this is done avoiding licencing issues) |
| 22:43.07 | giaco | prahal_, result /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200 |
| 22:43.08 | cirzgamanti | dkr: thanks a lot! |
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| 22:44.02 | thinline | what program can I use to encode mp3 from wav source file? (that is in debian) |
| 22:44.22 | amphi | encode ogg! |
| 22:44.26 | amphi | with oggenc |
| 22:44.26 | getBoa | prahal_: aight mate... thanks anyway |
| 22:45.01 | prahal_ | giaco: ldd /usr/local/lib/libOgreMain-1.6.1.so ? |
| 22:45.24 | prahal_ | thinline: soundconverter |
| 22:45.37 | giaco | prahal_, http://pastie.caboo.se/407701 |
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| 22:45.59 | prahal_ | and no you cannot encode to mp3 with debian per see you need debian-multimedia repository (if you area allows it) |
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| 22:50.29 | twobitsprite | damn... I was thinking about hosting a freenode server on my vserver here, but I don't meet the requirments... |
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| 22:51.40 | cirzgamanti | hm, so it looks like exim4 is waking one of my unmounted sata disks up every half hour. does that make any sense? |
| 22:52.18 | petemc | a queue runner runs every 30 mins |
| 22:52.28 | valdyn | cirzgamanti: no, not if its unmounted |
| 22:52.31 | cirzgamanti | cron runs 50 seconds before that. |
| 22:52.32 | petemc | ps aux|grep exim , you should see -q30m |
| 22:52.53 | cirzgamanti | petemc: you're right. |
| 22:53.02 | cirzgamanti | so that's why it doesn't occur in crontab? |
| 22:53.11 | petemc | i dont see how that would affect unmounted disks.. |
| 22:53.25 | cirzgamanti | neither do i, but it's definitely this process. |
| 22:53.26 | prahal_ | giaco: I am a bit lost . Maybe LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200 |
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| 22:54.28 | giaco | prahal_, LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200 gdb ./Terrain gives instantaneous segmentation fault |
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| 22:54.58 | azeem | lkjlkjlkjlkj: please turn that off |
| 22:54.58 | giaco | even before entering the debugger |
| 22:55.00 | lkjlkjlkjlkj | azeem, não estou aqui. (Auto-Away após 20 minutos idle) HH 4.3 |
| 22:55.04 | azeem | lkjlkjlkjlkj: please turn that off |
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| 22:55.54 | prahal_ | giaco: hum that what I was afraid of . Thos libs contains only debugging symbols thus preloading it does not help ... but the program seems to override the LD_LIBRARY_PATH . Did you exported it before running via gdb (the LD_LIBRARY_PATH) |
| 22:56.13 | giaco | yes |
| 22:56.47 | giaco | prahal_, that explains why it crashed when I tried to replace the so file entirely |
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| 22:56.52 | giaco | without simlinking |
| 22:57.06 | azeem | eh |
| 22:57.27 | prahal_ | giaco: have you checked your env variables for another override ? I see a lot of /usr//lib/... the // looks suspicious |
| 22:57.47 | giaco | prahal_, what kind of override should I search for? |
| 22:58.15 | prahal_ | giaco: yup and if you have had to reboot at least with LD_PRELOAD one does not screw the boot. With symlink moves it is another story to survive |
| 22:58.33 | prahal_ | giaco: env |grep "/usr//" |
| 22:58.54 | giaco | env variables http://pastie.caboo.se/407714 , going to grep |
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| 22:59.12 | giaco | no usr// |
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| 23:01.37 | prahal_ | nope I see nothing wrong ... beware I was not asking for the env values except the one with /usr// (but it does not exists). There is data like the ssh socket placeholder that is valuable |
| 23:01.44 | prahal_ | I mean sensible |
| 23:02.38 | prahal_ | giaco: I will test on my side . This is a the latest ogre release ? |
| 23:03.16 | giaco | yeah, compiled from the stable source package (1.6.1) a couple of hours ago |
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| 23:03.31 | giaco | configured with no options |
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| 23:16.04 | utabak | hi all, I am reading the linux partition how to from the tldp.org website , the document is last updated in 2005 and in the swap section it is written that the swap partition size is architecture dependent? and for i386 it is 2GB what is the result of using a larger swap size? |
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| 23:17.08 | giaco | prahal_, running it with LD_DEBUG=files shows a "calling init: /usr//lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 23:17.09 | giaco | " under Loading library /usr/local/lib/OGRE/RenderSystem_GL.so |
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| 23:18.15 | Mox` | hi, i'm having troubles with bind on my gateway? if I use my gatewas as dns server nothing works, If I use the dns the gateway resolves, it works just fine? how to fix this? :S |
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| 23:21.55 | foetus | is it really important to load the kernel with option "ro" in grub? |
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| 23:23.28 | prahal_ | foetus: no it is a bonus safeguard |
| 23:24.40 | prahal_ | Mox`: forwarders in bind /etc/bind/named.conf.options |
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| 23:24.57 | prahal_ | you put your isp dns servers inside it |
| 23:25.08 | foetus | prahal_: yes, i think in the same way.. |
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| 23:27.00 | giaco | prahal_, have you tried any demo? |
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| 23:28.03 | prahal_ | giaco: not yet . I have to build it first |
| 23:28.06 | Mox` | prahal_ it's in there.. |
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| 23:32.08 | foetus | another question.. is it possible to start nano in color mode? (maybe a little bit oddy..) |
| 23:34.05 | prahal_ | Mox`: hum rndc status as root . Up and running ? |
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| 23:34.51 | Caelum | where does pidgin store login info? |
| 23:35.23 | Caelum | I need to delete it |
| 23:35.42 | foetus | ~ |
| 23:35.51 | Caelum | no really |
| 23:36.24 | Maulkin | .gaim/ ? |
| 23:37.00 | Caelum | I removed .gaim |
| 23:37.03 | Caelum | but it still logs in |
| 23:38.15 | foetus | ~/.purple or ~/.libpurple |
| 23:38.21 | Maulkin | aha. .purple |
| 23:38.39 | foetus | pidgin bases on it |
| 23:38.42 | Caelum | thanks guys! |
| 23:38.53 | foetus | works? |
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| 23:39.39 | CaT[t3] | hey there. does anyone know if the debian-live desktop cds contain all the goodies from the rescue cd? |
| 23:39.44 | Caelum | yup works |
| 23:39.48 | foetus | whats with nano in color mode? |
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| 23:40.25 | WX_0 | foetus: Is there something wrong with that? |
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| 23:42.09 | foetus | WX_0: no, i love nano, but color mode would be a nice feature.. |
| 23:42.30 | Caelum | I think it has syntax highlighting if you recompile it |
| 23:42.35 | Caelum | foetus: try cream |
| 23:43.07 | WX_0 | foetus: iirc, there's an add-on/plugin for nano permitting color mode |
| 23:43.14 | giaco | prahal_, if you're still on it, I'll be here for some minutes more. Thank you in advance |
| 23:43.47 | Typosu | Im having this strange issue with apt. its failing with a gzip error, on a single Package file, on a single system. if I download the same file from the same host using wget and gunzip it manually, it seems to be fine. |
| 23:43.52 | foetus | Caelum: cream? needs python, i fear.. |
| 23:44.09 | foetus | WX_0: ah, thats interesting |
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| 23:45.25 | UniCore_ | hola |
| 23:45.29 | UniCore_ | hello* |
| 23:45.58 | UniCore_ | What can I do to install emerald on debian 5 lenny ? |
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| 23:46.32 | prahal_ | giaco: yes still on it ... though I don't expect to find out in a few minutes :( maybe someone else more versed in debugging tips could give a hand |
| 23:46.41 | UniCore_ | I have compiz working perfectly, better than ever, when I used to use ubuntu |
| 23:47.06 | jesselang|home | Hello folks. I'm wondering if there's a netbook friendly launcher similar to ubuntu's netbook-launcher remix whatever. |
| 23:47.07 | UniCore_ | but I haven't go any repositories to install emerald |
| 23:47.22 | Caelum | wtf is emerald |
| 23:48.12 | giaco | prahal_, if you're working on it I can wait more than a few minutes, as long as 1 minute here would be 10 minutes less alone |
| 23:48.33 | prahal_ | UniCore_: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
| 23:48.34 | UniCore_ | It's themes manager |
| 23:48.46 | UniCore_ | I use debian estable |
| 23:49.08 | prahal_ | giaco: we would be better by email for such long range ... prahal ... yahoo / com |
| 23:49.38 | UniCore_ | lol it's perfect for me: emerald_0.7.9+git20080923.shame-0_amd64.deb |
| 23:49.45 | UniCore_ | thanks prahal_ |
| 23:50.48 | prahal_ | UniCore_: or deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/osrdebian/ unstable compiz-fusion-git extra ... the one that fits you the best (it is tricky to switch between those so well stick with one) |
| 23:50.58 | giaco | prahal_, you got mail |
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| 23:53.03 | UniCore_ | pragma_, may I paste something to you on #flood ? |
| 23:53.06 | UniCore_ | sorry |
| 23:53.15 | UniCore_ | I wanna say prahal_ |
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| 23:53.40 | prahal_ | UniCore_: sure a sec |
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| 23:56.34 | utabak | I have an 64 bit program where my system is also of 64 bit and also lenny is of 64 bit. The point is that if I run the executable I get a 'Word Too Long' message? Any ideas? |
| 23:58.41 | UniCore_ | don't worry prahal_ I've found the missing packet |
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