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| 00:01.15 | enouf | utabak: 'file /bin/ls' says? |
| 00:01.38 | enouf | utabak: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo says? |
| 00:02.26 | utabak | enouf: /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.4, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
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| 00:02.54 | Mox` | why is sudo better than just making a user who can switch to root? |
| 00:03.27 | enouf | utabak: ok, a) looks ok, now b) |
| 00:03.46 | utabak | flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm ida |
| 00:03.50 | utabak | flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm ida |
| 00:03.57 | utabak | long but ok |
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| 00:04.10 | enouf | utabak: ok, that 64bit cpu |
| 00:04.35 | utabak | how did you check that |
| 00:04.36 | enouf | utabak: now, which executable? |
| 00:04.48 | enouf | utabak: the 'lm' flag |
| 00:04.51 | utabak | enouf: it is a commercial program |
| 00:05.08 | enouf | are you in WINE? or a VM? |
| 00:05.17 | utabak | for linux |
| 00:06.06 | utabak | the program installation goes ok but can not execute |
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| 00:06.44 | enouf | utabak: you need to get very specific, and with any sort of verbose errors |
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| 00:07.35 | utabak | enouf: specific ?? this is the error I get Word Too Long |
| 00:08.35 | utabak | enouf: there are some hits related to some shells but what is the relation to shell I can not get that |
| 00:08.41 | enouf | utabak: you haven't named the application/program, not mentioned how and what env you run the exe in, what does file "filename.bin" say .. etc etc -- specific! |
| 00:09.10 | enouf | er "file filename.WHATEVER." says |
| 00:09.35 | enouf | othewrwise, i can no longer be of possible help |
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| 00:10.50 | enouf | maybe my answer should be; "shorten the word" :-p |
| 00:12.31 | utabak | enouf: this is the 1st I should have told maybe but excuse me I am really tired, I should get some rest first maybe, I am writing these messages from a suse but that program was designed for debian, and it is a finite element solver, I fire the executable from the shell, for file I can not check it now, maybe I should check that later |
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| 00:17.11 | Warp4 | good evening all |
| 00:17.18 | Typosu | oh ffs... change vmware to use the e1000 driver (which it says it doesnt support), and my apt errors dissapear. |
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| 00:18.01 | enouf | utabak: yes, maybe you can talk some other time , when you're rested |
| 00:18.31 | enouf | Typosu: well e1000e has/had issues |
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| 00:19.05 | Typosu | enouf: I was having issues with the pcnet32 and vmxnet drivers. changed to e1000, and no more errors |
| 00:19.18 | Warp4 | Typosu what version of vmware? |
| 00:19.27 | Typosu | 2.0.0 or something |
| 00:19.32 | Typosu | server |
| 00:19.33 | Warp4 | ah vmware server? |
| 00:19.34 | Warp4 | ok |
| 00:19.37 | Typosu | yes |
| 00:19.56 | Warp4 | hmm im assuming e1000 is the nic on the host computer? |
| 00:20.05 | azeem | giaco: did you install nvidia drivers? |
| 00:20.08 | Typosu | no, its the one I set the guest to use |
| 00:20.19 | Typosu | vmware supports several types of nics |
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| 00:20.51 | Warp4 | hmm ok, i run vmware workstation on my windows machines here with debian 5 |
| 00:21.01 | giaco | azeem, don't know, maybe erroneously, I remember that I saw some nvidia stuff while upgrading, but I though it was a library. How can I check that? |
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| 00:21.18 | Typosu | I'm going to try vmxnet after I get the new versions installed |
| 00:21.27 | enouf | Typosu: ok, i'm not familiar with vmware |
| 00:21.40 | Typosu | I'm not really either ;) |
| 00:21.43 | azeem | giaco: pastebin the output of "sudo dpkg-divert --list" |
| 00:21.48 | Typosu | not an expert thats for sure |
| 00:22.07 | giaco | azeem, http://pastie.caboo.se/407800 |
| 00:22.55 | azeem | giaco: what does "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1" say? |
| 00:23.21 | giaco | azeem, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2009-03-04 23:34 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.5.070200 |
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| 00:23.42 | azeem | and "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200" ? |
| 00:23.58 | giaco | azeem, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2494244 2009-03-04 23:27 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200 |
| 00:24.19 | azeem | giaco: and "dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200" ? |
| 00:24.33 | giaco | azeem, libgl1-mesa-swx11: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200 |
| 00:24.57 | giaco | precisely: libgl1-mesa-swx11-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200 |
| 00:26.31 | azeem | giaco: and "file /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200"? |
| 00:26.52 | giaco | azeem, /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 00:27.00 | azeem | and "grep GL /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgl1-mesa-swx11.md5sums" |
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| 00:28.17 | giaco | azeem, fc35a83b9e3f63d5feb2f5693d1c08df usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200 |
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| 00:29.04 | azeem | giaco: and finally "md5sum /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070004" |
| 00:29.28 | giaco | fc35a83b9e3f63d5feb2f5693d1c08df /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200 |
| 00:29.33 | giaco | it him, it's correct |
| 00:29.39 | azeem | k |
| 00:29.46 | azeem | no idea then, sorry |
| 00:30.02 | giaco | your you like me to check the same for the debuginfo? |
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| 00:30.39 | azeem | you can to make sure |
| 00:30.53 | giaco | azeem, it's correct, too |
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| 00:33.51 | giaco | azeem, thank you for your support |
| 00:34.05 | giaco | it's one step further the solution |
| 00:34.28 | azeem | I just guess Mesa is a bit too much of a beat to let itself properly debugged |
| 00:34.44 | azeem | and in any case, debugging it will likely be really tough anyway |
| 00:37.23 | giaco | azeem, I know, I don't want to open and play the GL library, I just want to find out where my system is segfaulting inside that library, because on other systems the same library with the same program doesn't. Moreover that libGL is the software mesa, and the software one shoudn't crash in that way |
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| 00:39.27 | Traveler9 | Hello :/ |
| 00:40.13 | Traveler9 | I just installed debian, and im wondering why apt-get is not working like in ubuntu |
| 00:40.34 | azeem | Traveler9: what's different |
| 00:40.37 | amartin83 | apt-get works the same as in ubuntu |
| 00:40.40 | Traveler9 | example: apt-get install lynx |
| 00:40.57 | azeem | and? |
| 00:40.58 | Traveler9 | or nmap |
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| 00:41.04 | azeem | Traveler9: look, this isn't helpful |
| 00:41.10 | amartin83 | and? |
| 00:41.11 | Traveler9 | E: Couldn't find package nmap |
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| 00:41.19 | azeem | Traveler9: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:41.20 | Traveler9 | E: Package lynx has no installation candidate |
| 00:41.24 | amartin83 | did apt-get update? |
| 00:41.27 | Traveler9 | yep |
| 00:41.31 | azeem | Traveler9: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:41.35 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 00:41.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 00:41.57 | Traveler9 | pastebin addres |
| 00:41.59 | Traveler9 | *s |
| 00:42.09 | Traveler9 | !pastebin |
| 00:42.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 00:42.12 | Traveler9 | :D |
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| 00:42.21 | azeem | hrm? |
| 00:42.24 | ShADoW_LnX | Hi i need a vnc server, i install vnc4server but when i try to coneect i got Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused, any idea? |
| 00:42.28 | Vasistha | I have cancelled all jobs in cups, yet the printer keeps wanting to print, even after power cycling it. |
| 00:42.48 | Traveler9 | http://pastebin.com/m41add3e8 |
| 00:42.51 | Traveler9 | i'll use this |
| 00:43.11 | azeem | Traveler9: you don't have a regular lenny line |
| 00:43.11 | Traveler9 | Do i need to modify this, or add some address? |
| 00:43.12 | azeem | !sources.list |
| 00:43.13 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:43.30 | azeem | Traveler9: did you say no to the question about internet updates? |
| 00:43.36 | homecable | http://joey.ath.cx/~luke/ |
| 00:43.40 | Traveler9 | hmm |
| 00:43.43 | Traveler9 | might be |
| 00:43.52 | azeem | that'd be it |
| 00:43.54 | Traveler9 | at installing? |
| 00:43.57 | azeem | yes |
| 00:44.13 | Traveler9 | hmm setup? |
| 00:44.16 | Traveler9 | apt |
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| 00:45.12 | Traveler9 | azeem, ya know how to repair my foolish mistake :PP |
| 00:45.50 | azeem | see what the dpkg bot pasted about a proper sources.list and edit yours |
| 00:46.06 | azeem | Traveler9: or run synaptic (if installed) and set it up, maybe that works as well |
| 00:46.14 | Vasistha | It shows "Printer State: idle, accepting jobs, published." but on the printer the printing light keeps flashing, and it prints pages of junk whenever I give it any paper |
| 00:46.45 | Traveler9 | only text mode |
| 00:46.52 | azeem | Traveler9: in synaptic, it's Settings->Repositories |
| 00:46.54 | azeem | oh ok |
| 00:47.20 | Vasistha | ShADoW_LnX: I use vnc, it wasn't all that difficult to get working but it did take a little doing. Did you check your firewall? |
| 00:48.08 | ShADoW_LnX | Vasistha, how i can know if the default port 5900 or other is listenig.. |
| 00:48.36 | ShADoW_LnX | Vasistha, i try to telnet it bu i got Connection refused |
| 00:49.36 | Vasistha | ShADoW_LnX: I guarantee you there is someone in this chan that can answer the question about listening ports. Unfortunately I still don't understand netstat very well; I find it consistently overwhelming |
| 00:49.54 | MikePer | Traveler9: look here: http://pastebin.com/m512f4036 |
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| 00:52.03 | MikePer | Traveler9: humm... I hope you have at least lynx installed :) |
| 00:52.10 | ShADoW_LnX | Vasistha, ok.. |
| 00:53.07 | MikePer | could anyone here clarify some stty parameter for me? Especially clocal and cread? |
| 00:53.29 | prahal_ | ShADoW_LnX: lsof -i as root or the user the vnc server is running as |
| 00:53.38 | Traveler9 | mikeper ty |
| 00:53.44 | prahal_ | or netstat -plunt as root |
| 00:53.57 | Traveler9 | and also azeem |
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| 00:55.37 | prahal_ | giaco: going to sleep . This beast takes ages to build . Though I think I found out where the /usr// comes from ... the configure script tells about it when configuring the demos |
| 00:56.14 | giaco | prahal_, It takes no more than 3 minutes for me |
| 00:56.15 | prahal_ | so it could well be that the demo are build with hardcoded pathes (relocation issue) |
| 00:56.16 | MikePer | Vasistha: I would try to reset it. If it is a printer with local console. |
| 00:56.30 | giaco | something must be wrong with your compilation |
| 00:56.41 | prahal_ | eh this is an old beast ... still faster than the netbook |
| 00:57.04 | Vasistha | MikePer: I'm not sure what that means, or how to do it. It's connected via parallel port |
| 00:57.28 | MikePer | Vasistha: does it have a display and some buttons on it? |
| 00:57.36 | giaco | prahal_, btw I've realized that the debug symbols are separated from the library, and the debugger loads them automatically |
| 00:57.48 | giaco | I mean, this is what SHOULD happen |
| 00:58.07 | prahal_ | giaco: well yes that s how it s supposed to work. |
| 00:58.12 | giaco | I'm trying tight now to find out if it's happening with another program/library |
| 00:58.13 | Vasistha | MikePer: no, only two buttons and two cryptic lights, no text labels |
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| 00:59.24 | prahal_ | giaco: you could take a look at relocation topics . I bet this have a relation to the issue with demos . I bet that programs build against ogre (not the demo) don't have the issue |
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| 01:00.02 | Vasistha | MikePer: I turned off the printer and turned it back on, though ... when this happened in windoze, I had to restart windoze in order to stop it, as restarting the printer had no effect. So I am suspicious that linux is trying to spool something since I'm observing similar behavior ... but I hope I don't have to restart linux, that would be silly. |
| 01:00.19 | prahal_ | sadly I did not follow closely the topic of relocation when it arise on opensync project I worked for. Still I learned about rpath and such |
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| 01:00.46 | giaco | prahal_, yes but the problem is NOT the path, because we're fighting the path just to read the debug information. The bigger problem is the segfault whenever I open any demo |
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| 01:01.05 | pl4yer0ne | Vasistha, check the printer queue. http://localhost:631 if your using CUPS |
| 01:01.07 | prahal_ | Vasistha: have you tried using the localhost:631 interface ... just in case the print job was spooled as another user |
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| 01:01.36 | MikePer | Vasistha: are you using the cups interface or gnome or something? |
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| 01:02.18 | Vasistha | the first thing I did was check http://localhost:631 in my web browser; it's not showing any active jobs (although I can get a list of completed/canceled jobs, where a job I canceled is listed -- I think that's the one) |
| 01:03.31 | prahal_ | giaco: have you tried valgrind . It provides useful inputs even when debugging symbols are missing (not perfect but still) |
| 01:05.17 | giaco | prahal_, yes I've already tried it, I'll post you the results |
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| 01:06.25 | giaco | prahal_, http://pastie.caboo.se/407838 |
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| 01:07.52 | timmy_boy | Are there any floppies for the Lenny release? |
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| 01:09.30 | Vasistha | pl4yer0ne, prahal_, MikePer : I guess I should be more specific -- I used the localhost:631 to cancel a job that appeared to be postscript code being printed as text (rather than being printed as a postscript document) so a one-page document was printing as many pages of postscript code. Maybe it didn't cancel properly, because it still thinks it has spooled page 1? |
| 01:09.38 | arrenlex | I am trying to install kde 4.2 from experimental. This is what it's saying: http://arrenlex.aa.am/brok.txt |
| 01:09.40 | arrenlex | What do I do? |
| 01:09.45 | prahal_ | timmy_boy: I guess there are still floopy that enable one to boot from another media even if the computer bios does not support it |
| 01:10.08 | dkr | I wonder how many floppies a full lenny would fill |
| 01:10.28 | MikePer | Vasistha: some printer doesn't forget what you spooled to the even through a powercycle. which printer do you use? |
| 01:11.24 | Vasistha | MikePer: hp deskjet 812c. I doubt it has that sort of memory... |
| 01:11.33 | JBzh | dkr: for 31CDs more than 20 000 floppies |
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| 01:11.46 | Vasistha | MikePer: and like I said, when this happened in windoze, I had to restart windoze to make it stop -- and that did make it stop. |
| 01:12.05 | Vasistha | hmm, I wonder what would happen if I connected it to a different computer |
| 01:12.45 | prahal_ | Vasistha: same results could be achieved by stopping cups before connectiong the printer |
| 01:13.29 | MikePer | Vasistha: you are right, I doubt that this kind of printer would store something through a powercycle |
| 01:13.29 | Vasistha | prahal_: ah okay, that is the solution I think I needed! Simply disconnecting the parallel cable and power cycling made it stop. |
| 01:13.42 | prahal_ | I don't know if purging the queue is as simple as rm the content of /var/spool/cups ... hum |
| 01:14.21 | eurythmia | I'm looking to cross-compile for mips from an x86 host. I'm running debian lenny; the gcc documentation says that there should be <machine>-gcc-<version> binaries, but I don't have any on my system. Are there any prepackaged versions of a mips toolchain that I can use? |
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| 01:16.31 | Vasistha | prahal_: drat, even "/etc/init.d/cups stop" has not stopped it. |
| 01:17.59 | ice799 | eurythmia: i did this a long time ago |
| 01:18.07 | ice799 | eurythmia: on a debian box, but i honestly cant remember how |
| 01:18.15 | ice799 | eurythmia: just want to let you know that it IS possible, though. |
| 01:18.42 | ice799 | eurythmia: i did for openwrt -- i was trying to install some custom software on a router i had laying around |
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| 01:19.01 | ice799 | eurythmia: the docs for openwrt or some related page explained how to set up the mips toolchain |
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| 01:23.28 | ice799 | eurythmia: http://www.emdebian.org/tools/crosstools.html |
| 01:23.32 | ice799 | eurythmia: that is what you want. |
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| 01:35.40 | Vasistha | prahal_, pl4yer0ne: any other ideas? I am not sure how to get my printer back here, short of restarting linux ... and I'm not sure restarting will solve the prob, either |
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| 01:43.34 | prahal_ | Vasistha: ps ax |grep foomatic |
| 01:44.25 | Vasistha | prahal_: nothin' |
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| 01:47.19 | enouf | azeem: did you notice line 107 from pasquale installer/hardware-summary - seems typical (for the installer), but notice the vesa= + vga= options .. anyways - hopefully the right people receive the needed info provided |
| 01:47.27 | enouf | http://pastebin.com/f27c99246 |
| 01:47.57 | enouf | azeem: oops, wrong network :-p |
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| 01:49.33 | seria-mau | is there an at/atd implementation that accepts seconds in timeformats? |
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| 01:50.19 | seria-mau | (and has this timeresolution) |
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| 01:56.22 | eurythmia | ice799, I stepped away from my compy for a (long) while, but I got the message. Thanks! |
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| 01:58.49 | prahal_ | Vasistha: sorry no :( |
| 01:59.17 | Vasistha | well, I guess I will restart. blarg. |
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| 01:59.27 | Vasistha | thanks for tryin' |
| 01:59.35 | enouf | seria-mau: do you need some sort og highres timer? |
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| 01:59.40 | enouf | s/og/of |
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| 02:01.34 | seria-mau | enouf: not really. i want to do an egg-timer with a zsh shell function. (sleep $seconds && command)& is an optioin, too. but i cant figure out how to detach that process from the controlling tty |
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| 02:02.15 | enouf | no idea offhand then, sorry |
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| 02:02.18 | seria-mau | sth like atd would be more nifty, imho |
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| 02:03.55 | enouf | just a thought; nanosleep? http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/timers/hrtimers.txt |
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| 02:05.25 | seria-mau | enouf: got it (zsh): (sleep $seconds && command)&! |
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| 02:06.21 | maher | is script meant to work in a chroot? |
| 02:06.22 | \amethyst | seria-mau: that doesn't completely detach it from the terminal, just disowns it |
| 02:07.06 | \amethyst | maher: it's not designed to work in a chroot, but nothing prevents it from doing so |
| 02:07.36 | \amethyst | maher: you do need /dev/pts mounted in the chroot, and possibly /proc too |
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| 02:07.56 | Traveler8 | Hi |
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| 02:08.27 | Traveler8 | I'm trying to find something alike ufw |
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| 02:08.45 | enouf | united fire water? |
| 02:08.49 | Traveler8 | :D |
| 02:09.14 | enouf | uninhibited fast wombats? |
| 02:09.18 | maher | \amethyst: thanks - i don't have /dev/pts |
| 02:09.38 | Traveler8 | or uncomplicated firewal |
| 02:09.40 | enouf | you should - er unless no X? |
| 02:09.49 | \amethyst | maher: before you chroot, mount --bind /dev/pts chroot/dev/pts |
| 02:09.56 | \amethyst | maher: make sure you umount it when you're done |
| 02:10.11 | enouf | Traveler8: floppyfw maybe? |
| 02:10.14 | omsanti | is there any good documentation for creating live CD or DVD on debian packages? |
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| 02:10.45 | maher | \amethyst: thanks a lot! |
| 02:10.47 | enouf | omsanti: bootcd pkg suppoosedly can make a livecd from your current install |
| 02:10.49 | Traveler8 | sounds good |
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| 02:11.24 | seria-mau | \amethyst: it runs after i log out. i think that's good enough for me |
| 02:11.46 | omsanti | thanks enouf |
| 02:11.52 | enouf | omsanti: there's also /msg dpkg debian-live |
| 02:11.54 | \amethyst | seria-mau: the problem is that it might keep an ssh session alive |
| 02:12.21 | \amethyst | seria-mau: if so, and if that's a problem, you can redirect the three standard FDs to /dev/null |
| 02:12.22 | omsanti | ok |
| 02:12.42 | Traveler8 | I am newbie in linux, but im trying to do little project. And i need to open/close ports by using script :P (sounds bad?) |
| 02:12.44 | seria-mau | \amethyst: ah. i thought i had to do with sth like this. but i will use it only locally. thanks for the advice :) |
| 02:13.17 | \amethyst | seria-mau: (you'd still want the &! or disown, so that the shell doesn't send it SIGHUP when you log out) |
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| 02:15.20 | Traveler8 | :(){ :|:&} :// |
| 02:15.27 | enouf | stop |
| 02:15.28 | Traveler8 | baad |
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| 02:17.32 | Traveler8 | anyone using vuumuur? |
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| 02:22.03 | Psuedo | G'Day |
| 02:22.04 | Psuedo | What is the name of the package the tells you recommendations of non-installed packages when you type there name into terminal? |
| 02:22.07 | aixenv | anyone ever automate the postfix /kernel apt-get install/updates so they dont give you any prompts? |
| 02:22.08 | seria-mau | \amethyst: so i would do sth like "( /dev/null < command > /dev/null 2>&1)&!" ? |
| 02:22.24 | aixenv | ive done some digging but dont see any resources |
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| 02:23.52 | Psuedo | What is the name of the package that gives the Mouse support for scrolling? |
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| 02:25.31 | TML | Psuedo: gpm? |
| 02:26.33 | Psuedo | Just read the info for it, no, doesn't seem to do what I want |
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| 02:31.17 | Vasistha | Psuedo: do you mean ... scrollwheel? |
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| 02:31.28 | maher | how do i find out why gallery2 didn't make it into lenny/ |
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| 02:33.00 | tech13 | vmware server 2 keeps crashing x when I open it on a Debian Lenny host. backtrace from x's logs: http://vmware.pastebin.com/d1d428c35 any suggestions? |
| 02:33.20 | Vasistha | maher: /msg dpkg why is gallery2 not in testing |
| 02:33.40 | enouf | Psuedo: ~$ apt-cache show amarok | grep -i recommends |
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| 02:34.48 | enouf | Psuedo: many pkgs have no recommends, the one's that do will show |
| 02:34.48 | maher | Vasistha: thanks |
| 02:35.51 | enouf | Psuedo: afaik, all mouse wheels scroll |
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| 02:36.44 | maher | Vasistha: actually - that points out that it is in the current testing, but doesn't seem to say why it got dropped form lenny... |
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| 02:37.04 | Vasistha | maher: hmm, I'm not sure how to look up the archives for that. You might check p.d.o for the dependency list |
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| 02:38.48 | maher | Vasistha: well there seems to be an outstanding rc bug so mabe they just dropped it... |
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| 02:39.51 | kbateman | Could somebody give me an educated guess as to when a 2.6.28 kernel will make it to stable? |
| 02:40.02 | Vasistha | crap. my printer is still spewing pages and pages of junk, even after restarting the computer. What on earth..... |
| 02:40.26 | zinx | Vasistha: why did you think restarting your computer would fix it? o_O |
| 02:40.37 | Vasistha | kbateman: it'll probably be in squeeze when squeeze goes stable, so a year or more |
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| 02:40.57 | kbateman | yeesh. Guess I'll have to rough it and compile my own kernel then. |
| 02:41.02 | Vasistha | zinx: used to fix a similar problem in windoze. And it solved the same problem earlier today. |
| 02:41.23 | parsonsd | Vasistha : perhaps `cancel` or `lprm` |
| 02:41.24 | enouf | maher: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gallery2/news/20081119T163911Z.html |
| 02:41.39 | zinx | Vasistha: Linux's print queues are not so fragile that a reboot will clear them |
| 02:41.41 | Vasistha | zinx: I already canceled all the jobs via localhost:631 and then stopped cupsd |
| 02:41.49 | zinx | Vasistha: turn the printer off |
| 02:41.56 | parsonsd | Vasistha : an' the printer off too/ |
| 02:41.59 | Vasistha | zinx: yes, I did that as well |
| 02:42.09 | parsonsd | is too late |
| 02:42.11 | zinx | there are still jobs, then :/ |
| 02:42.25 | Vasistha | I've power cycled the printer 15 times. localhost:631 shows "No jobs." |
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| 02:43.10 | enouf | kbateman: Vasistha a backport should be avail not too long |
| 02:44.10 | parsonsd | do iwconfig params go into the /etc/network/interfaces or are the args from wpa_supplicant |
| 02:44.13 | parsonsd | ? |
| 02:44.15 | Vasistha | kbateman: yeah, backports are the way to go. I am still running an old backported kernel on etch, 2.6.22-3 :P |
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| 02:44.46 | Vasistha | parsonsd: well, I know that one can put iwconfig params in interfaces; would you like an example? |
| 02:44.49 | xo230342k2 | [AmsG'D] If anybody can host an IRCd for me, please PM me |
| 02:45.49 | xo230342k2 | [AmsG'D] If you can host a free IRCd, or know of a free host, please PM me |
| 02:46.02 | maher | enouf: thanks (encouraging reason :) ) |
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| 02:46.29 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/allpackages?format=txt.gz |
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| 02:46.42 | parsonsd | Vasistha : please. the examples I've seen use args [ http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-wpa/wpasupplicant/branches/unstable/debian/README.Debian?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 ] for instance uses args that i don't -quite- understand. looks like wpa-supplicant. sort of |
| 02:46.47 | Vasistha | zinx: do you think I should remove the files from /var/spool/cups ? |
| 02:47.30 | Vasistha | parsonsd: oh ... unfortunately I don't have a wpa setup, only wep, but I'll pastebin it anyway |
| 02:48.04 | parsonsd | Vasistha, that URL is a bad example, but the man pages too (i just installed a lenny) ... |
| 02:48.14 | parsonsd | Vasistha, thanks |
| 02:48.18 | enouf | parsonsd: haven't been following you issue closely but http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-wpa/wpasupplicant/trunk/debian/README.Debian?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 02:48.36 | enouf | also /msg dpkg wpasupllicabt |
| 02:48.44 | enouf | spelling |
| 02:49.51 | Vasistha | parsonsd: well here are a couple examples with wep; the same ath0 iface as seen in two different interfaces files: http://paste.debian.net/29783/ |
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| 02:50.07 | Psuedo | enouf and Vasistha: I can't find scrollwheel .deb |
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| 02:51.00 | enouf | parsonsd: heh, seems they're lmsot the same pages (your url and mine - sorry) |
| 02:51.06 | Vasistha | Psuedo: you probably don't need to install anything, just need to configure xorg properly ... although I had thought that xorg was not supposed to need much config nowadays... |
| 02:51.10 | enouf | s/almost/ |
| 02:51.20 | Vasistha | Psuedo: do you have a typical two-button-plus-wheel mouse? |
| 02:51.24 | Psuedo | How do I configure X.org? |
| 02:51.51 | parsonsd | enouf : thnks |
| 02:51.54 | enouf | drxx should be enough for typical ps/2 mouse |
| 02:51.56 | b-man | edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:52.09 | Vasistha | Psuedo: the officially endorsed method is to run dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 02:52.20 | Vasistha | oh, oops, drxx :P |
| 02:52.30 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:52.51 | parsonsd | Psuedo - xorg - erm... rats . i did this on a ubuntu VM in 30 seconds... |
| 02:53.05 | parsonsd | Psuedo - Vasistha has you... :) |
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| 02:53.35 | parsonsd | Vasistha : they have a reconfigure for the mouse |
| 02:53.37 | parsonsd | ?? |
| 02:53.55 | Psuedo | ?' |
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| 02:54.12 | seria-mau | \amethyst: actually that doesnt work. properly: "( {commands } < /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1)&!" ? |
| 02:54.24 | seria-mau | -? |
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| 02:54.50 | Rafase_282 | hello everyone |
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| 02:55.24 | parsonsd | grah! default gnome is pretty, but i want my fvwm back. |
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| 02:55.56 | enouf | Psuedo: how about you answer the questions our volunteers are asking |
| 02:56.30 | \amethyst | seria-mau: I was thinking { commands; } </dev/null >/dev/null 2>&1 &! the extra ( ) should be unnecessary, since a background pipeline is automatically run in a subshell |
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| 02:57.12 | Vasistha | Psuedo: at any rate, when drxx fails for me (which it usually does) I've just added a few lines to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 02:59.03 | seria-mau | \amethyst: true. |
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| 02:59.22 | nsadmin | judd!! git back heyar! Granny's callin! |
| 02:59.31 | Psuedo | Sorry for not replying, I was typing up a thread in the VMware forums: http://communities.vmware.com/thread/197745 |
| 03:00.02 | Psuedo | Thanks b-man, Vasistha, parsonsd and enouf |
| 03:00.20 | nsadmin | Psuedo: that has to do with configging your x? |
| 03:00.20 | Psuedo | *b-man16 |
| 03:00.26 | Psuedo | Yes |
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| 03:00.31 | Psuedo | I can't even boot! |
| 03:00.43 | nsadmin | you can't boot? that's a different problem |
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| 03:01.24 | Vasistha | Psuedo: wait wait ... we don't care about vmware. Do you want help with your scrollwheel or what? |
| 03:01.30 | Psuedo | I can't even turn on the computer |
| 03:01.50 | Psuedo | When I can, I'll come back here for more help with scrollwheel |
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| 03:04.29 | Psuedo | restarts comp |
| 03:04.33 | nsadmin | kinda doesn't make sense... you're here :) |
| 03:05.07 | Vasistha | maybe it's another computer. |
| 03:05.42 | zoredache_ | since updating to lennny, my system has been locking up. I had disabled and noticed this message on the console. BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for |
| 03:05.56 | zoredache_ | what does that mean, and what can I do about it? |
| 03:06.52 | Vasistha | zoredache_: desktop or laptop? make/model? perhaps google knows something about a specific kernel or driver being incompatible with some piece of hardware? |
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| 03:08.29 | enouf | zoredache_: tsc? clocksource? |
| 03:08.40 | zoredache_ | it is a desktop, I am running amd64, the system is basically running squid, irssi, and vmware2. |
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| 03:09.24 | zoredache_ | enouf: where do I check that please? |
| 03:09.46 | enouf | this poor forum is turning into a windows weenie vmwarez xpoop wunderland ... huge sigh |
| 03:10.03 | enouf | dmesg |
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| 03:10.51 | amphi | enouf: eh? |
| 03:11.27 | zoredache_ | enouf: not that it is relavent, but I am not running any windows in vmware, it several debian vms that are similar to computers at work... |
| 03:11.28 | \amethyst | zoredache_: can you reproduce the problem without any vmware modules loaded? |
| 03:11.59 | zoredache_ | clocksource seems to be hpet when I look in dmesg |
| 03:12.29 | zoredache_ | \amethyst: I have vmware stopped at the moment, and I may find out soon. it seems to take a day or three between lockups |
| 03:12.49 | enouf | sobs uncontrollably |
| 03:13.00 | \amethyst | zoredache_: not just stopped, but any kernel modules unloaded |
| 03:13.12 | zoredache_ | yes, the modules are unloaded |
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| 03:15.39 | parsonsd | loves vm |
| 03:16.12 | Vasistha | loves Vishalakshi Mantap (also commonly referred to as "VM") |
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| 03:16.32 | parsonsd | never heard of 'im |
| 03:16.33 | Psuedo | back now, rebooting didn't make VMware work again :( |
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| 03:17.08 | Vasistha | Psuedo: why don't you go to #vmware for help with vmware? |
| 03:17.22 | Psuedo | I am |
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| 03:17.41 | parsonsd | *sigh* i have the README.modes already up. |
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| 03:18.40 | Vasistha | so ... how does this linux printer spooling thing work, anyway? Is there some mysterious place where partially-spooled pages are stored? |
| 03:19.33 | parsonsd | Vasistha : maybe a /proc/ ? |
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| 03:19.56 | Vasistha | parsonsd: well, I would not expect that to be stored after a restart, but what do I know? :P |
| 03:19.56 | Psuedo | CUPS |
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| 03:22.31 | Vasistha | /var/spool/cups shows several completed and canceled jobs ... of course I don't actually know what it looks like when a job is being processed |
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| 03:24.09 | parsonsd | hrm. i was running lenny as testing on one of my machines. it is cool to leave it as "lenny" and upgrade as normal or should I dist-upgrade? |
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| 03:24.55 | NeonLightning | j |
| 03:25.05 | Vasistha | parsonsd: before you do anything, make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list says lenny and not testing :) |
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| 03:26.12 | Vasistha | rrgh. I don't see anything on localhost:631; I don't see anything that means anything to me in /var/spool/cups; I've tried restarting the computer, I've power cycled the printer 15 times, and still it prints junk. wtf? |
| 03:26.15 | swolchok | what's the easiest way to override the MX record for a domain locally? |
| 03:26.16 | parsonsd | Vasistha : oh yah. i think abrotman advised me that a year ago |
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| 03:27.16 | parsonsd | --and actually, i got a problem with a few of the work machines listing "stable"... one of them is sarge. :^\ |
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| 03:28.04 | parsonsd | i caught one of the 'etch' machines around the time of etch->lenny. that one is just fine. the others.... well. |
| 03:28.22 | pickcoder | parsonsd: you still have a machine running Sarge? |
| 03:29.05 | parsonsd | pickcoder : i recently inherited some production machines at work. |
| 03:29.21 | Vasistha | parsonsd: happily, debian's policy has changed so /etc/apt/sources.list is no longer populated with the word "stable" by default. It's too bad they didn't make that change 5 years ago, though. |
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| 03:29.43 | parsonsd | Vasistha : it has? hrm.. must go check |
| 03:29.44 | yahoo_u | how to copy a files from windows machine to linux server may be using ssh |
| 03:29.48 | parsonsd | checking |
| 03:30.03 | parsonsd | nice |
| 03:30.17 | Mousey | with internets! |
| 03:30.23 | Vasistha | yahoo_u: get a linux live cd, boot the windoze box with it |
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| 03:30.32 | parsonsd | yahoo_u : use putty-scp? |
| 03:30.38 | pickcoder | parsonsd: you should be able to dist-upgrade to oldstable |
| 03:30.39 | yahoo_u | any ohter way |
| 03:30.47 | yahoo_u | ok putty -scp |
| 03:31.09 | pickcoder | yahoo_u: winscp is a popular app |
| 03:31.42 | Vasistha | parsonsd: I believe so. I'm pretty sure I've seen that in the last couple installs I've done. |
| 03:31.43 | Mousey | samba |
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| 03:32.04 | l034n | filezilla :p |
| 03:32.05 | parsonsd | pickcoder : that's a possibility, i guess. i hadn't really considered it. It has been dutifuly picking up updates from "stable" every day since ... well, since whenever |
| 03:32.28 | pickcoder | parsonsd: as long as you're on a 2.6 kernel it should work |
| 03:32.44 | parsonsd | pickcoder : the guy running it set up a cron job to `apt-get update -qq && apt-get upgrade -q -y` or somesuch |
| 03:32.46 | pickcoder | once you're current on oldstable you can dist-upgrade to lenny |
| 03:32.47 | Vasistha | How can I purge a print job that won't go away? Shall I clear out the /var/spool/cups directory? |
| 03:33.12 | pickcoder | parsonsd: nice |
| 03:33.46 | pickcoder | I guess if it's been on "stable" then it should be relatively current even though the dist version is sarge |
| 03:34.05 | Vasistha | as far as I can tell my printer is completely out of commission until I solve this problem (or let it print 300 pages of garbage?) |
| 03:34.51 | pickcoder | Vasistha: usb? |
| 03:34.59 | Vasistha | pickcoder: no, parallel |
| 03:35.07 | pickcoder | then something is dumping to lp0 |
| 03:35.19 | Vasistha | pickcoder: how can I find out what is doing that? |
| 03:35.21 | parsonsd | pickcoder : i thought it pretty clever, but that was... ooh, 2006 i guess. he hasn't been around since 2007. there've been two or so other guys doing janitorial services for the lab since then. there are remnants all over the place as the other two dudes expanded their windows knowledge :) |
| 03:35.25 | Vasistha | lsof maybe? |
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| 03:35.36 | pickcoder | yeah |
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| 03:36.04 | parsonsd | pickcoder : what'd you do if it were USB? |
| 03:36.11 | pickcoder | you should be able to access the cups web admin from localhost if it's configured |
| 03:36.27 | pickcoder | parsonsd: unplug it |
| 03:36.34 | Vasistha | pickcoder: yeah, I have, but it shows "No jobs." |
| 03:36.56 | pickcoder | parsonsd: if it was USB then I'd check the driver |
| 03:37.01 | parsonsd | h |
| 03:37.02 | parsonsd | ah |
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| 03:37.18 | CapaH | I am logged in with vncviewer however the screen does not refresh. Can anyone tell me why this is? |
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| 03:37.27 | pickcoder | Vasistha: see if the port is to ECP |
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| 03:38.04 | Vasistha | pickcoder: how do I check that? I'm looking at 'man lsof' but no luck so far on how to look for a process that is using a device |
| 03:38.12 | n-iCe | hi |
| 03:38.13 | pickcoder | ~is set to |
| 03:38.21 | pickcoder | Vasistha: that's a bios setting |
| 03:38.31 | pickcoder | the default is normally ECP or EPP |
| 03:38.49 | parsonsd | Vasistha : Probably not the most clean, but might grep for lp0 |
| 03:39.01 | parsonsd | well, not for epp, tho |
| 03:39.06 | Vasistha | pickcoder: oh, there's some kind bios-reading util I can use in linux ... do you remember what it's called? |
| 03:39.14 | Vasistha | parsonsd: well, that's the first thing I tried, but no luck there |
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| 03:39.17 | enouf | lshal maybe even |
| 03:39.39 | enouf | though - not sure whether it'll show ECP/EPP/Bi-drectional - etc |
| 03:41.15 | Vasistha | pickcoder: lshal is showing ECP |
| 03:41.40 | pickcoder | dmidecode will |
| 03:41.45 | Vasistha | info.product = 'ECP printer port' (string) ..... and ..... pnp.description = 'ECP printer port' (string) |
| 03:41.49 | pickcoder | dmidecode | grep Parallel |
| 03:41.55 | pickcoder | hm |
| 03:42.06 | Vasistha | ah, that's it, dmidecode. |
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| 03:42.26 | pickcoder | does the garbage look like PS? |
| 03:42.27 | enouf | ~$ lshal | grep -A10 -B10 -i printer |
| 03:42.42 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:43.45 | Vasistha | pickcoder: yeah, it does -- plain text postscript |
| 03:43.54 | phorce1 | never try opening an 8Gig .png file with the G.I.M.P. |
| 03:44.28 | simonrvn | not without having at least a couple of GB of RAM, heh |
| 03:44.31 | Vasistha | enouf: I've got the same sysfs_path there |
| 03:44.41 | pickcoder | Vasistha: did you set the driver to convert text to PS? |
| 03:44.46 | pickcoder | wait |
| 03:44.51 | pickcoder | does your printer support PS" |
| 03:44.55 | pickcoder | s/"/? |
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| 03:45.10 | Vasistha | pickcoder: well, I didn't intentionally set anything. I'm not at all sure if it does -- hp deskjet 812c, I'm using hpijs I think it's called |
| 03:45.13 | patintin | waves |
| 03:45.17 | pickcoder | oh |
| 03:45.23 | phorce1 | simonrvn: that's all I have right now, 2G. System decided it didn't like the other 2G stick after I used it to test another box |
| 03:45.28 | enouf | wow, how useless; ~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/devices/pnp0/00:0a |
| 03:45.45 | simonrvn | bah |
| 03:45.50 | simonrvn | that sucks |
| 03:45.56 | parsonsd | well. changing the wpa-driver to wired seems to give fewer ioctl errors on ifup |
| 03:45.57 | enouf | phorce1: nice |
| 03:46.02 | pickcoder | Vasistha: which cups version |
| 03:46.05 | simonrvn | i suppose you tried flipping them? |
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| 03:46.12 | Vasistha | pickcoder: yes, the printer does suck ass, with that I will certainly agree :) |
| 03:46.30 | lymeca | How do I run things from the terminal via SSH on the X Server? |
| 03:46.31 | enouf | Vasistha: doo you needd foomatic or something? |
| 03:46.52 | enouf | lymeca: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 03:46.53 | Vasistha | pickcoder: cups version is lenny's ... uh ... 1.3.8 |
| 03:47.05 | phorce1 | all I can figure is that a mild voltage fluctuation caused the CAS latency to change on that stick. It works fine in every other motherboard I've tested it in, just not in the one I originally had it installed on. |
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| 03:47.25 | enouf | phorce1: tried /msg dpkg myram ?? |
| 03:47.30 | lymeca | enouf: Not quite what I am looking for |
| 03:47.33 | Vasistha | enouf: possibly? This sounds like it's leading to a good solution for the problem of how to get printing working, which is also on my mind; however first I want it to stop printing postscript junk ;) |
| 03:47.42 | lymeca | I am on Windows using putty, and I am SSHed into a laptop with Debian. |
| 03:47.46 | pickcoder | Vasistha: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511009 |
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| 03:47.58 | lymeca | I want to run a GUI application through putty but it complains of no X server when it is running |
| 03:48.05 | enouf | Vasistha: i don't even know what PS is, but i know you can dpkg-reconfigure cups |
| 03:48.07 | lymeca | I just don't know how to tell it to use :0 |
| 03:48.11 | lymeca | I used to... |
| 03:48.26 | enouf | windows weenies |
| 03:48.26 | Vasistha | enouf: postscript |
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| 03:48.36 | lymeca | enouf: this isn't my computer =P |
| 03:48.41 | pickcoder | Vasistha: time to hack your depends I guess and downgrade cups |
| 03:48.44 | lymeca | I run Debian silly |
| 03:48.48 | enouf | it's not my fault |
| 03:49.03 | phorce1 | enouf: not really useful at this point. The systems hangs during post if I put that stick back in. I'll have to poke around and buy another matched pair later to get back to 4G |
| 03:49.09 | l034n | lymeca: i doubt you can get a gui app through ssh |
| 03:49.13 | pickcoder | ah |
| 03:49.17 | Vasistha | pickcoder: I dunno about that -- it says that downgrading to the very version I'm running fixes the prob |
| 03:49.20 | pickcoder | actually there may a fix in the bug report |
| 03:49.22 | l034n | it's a vt console :p |
| 03:49.35 | phorce1 | enouf: I'll use this pair on another MB that isn't so picky |
| 03:49.39 | enouf | phorce1: it's not a pre-Venus/SanDiego AMD64 s939? |
| 03:49.43 | lymeca | enouf: Ugh. Forget the Windows. jeez. Pretend I'm on tty1 by hitting Alt+F1. How do I run an X11 app? |
| 03:49.45 | pickcoder | yet another foomatic bug |
| 03:49.52 | lymeca | my x server is on :0 |
| 03:50.00 | pickcoder | if you don't have a PS-capable printer CUPs is horrid |
| 03:50.04 | lymeca | l034n: It's definitely possible, I've done it before, just forget the syntax |
| 03:50.08 | pickcoder | lprng is much nicer to text printers |
| 03:50.26 | \amethyst | lymeca: you want it to display on the Linux machine, not on the Windows machine, right? |
| 03:50.28 | enouf | phorce1: i forget if it's E4 or E6 steppping that fixed it |
| 03:50.31 | lymeca | yes |
| 03:50.31 | phorce1 | enouf: no, Core2 Quad 6400 (engineer's sample, all clocks unlocked but I'm not overclocking) |
| 03:50.36 | \amethyst | lymeca: DISPLAY=:0 command |
| 03:50.38 | enouf | oh |
| 03:50.40 | lymeca | THANK you! |
| 03:51.24 | Vasistha | pickcoder: huh, I'll check that out. Still, I'm not sure how to cancel the current job! |
| 03:51.26 | \amethyst | lymeca: you might also need DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority command |
| 03:51.43 | enouf | lymeca: from <sshx> "..... Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set........" |
| 03:51.51 | pickcoder | Vasistha: lpq -a |
| 03:51.54 | l034n | ohh, of course :) |
| 03:51.55 | pickcoder | see anything? |
| 03:52.00 | lymeca | sshx is the wrong tool for this job |
| 03:52.06 | Vasistha | pickcoder: "no entries" |
| 03:52.11 | l034n | i thought you're trying to get the gui window show at the console :D |
| 03:52.16 | pickcoder | then it's in your printer cache.. just reset it |
| 03:52.19 | enouf | no it isn't - but i don't care anymore |
| 03:52.26 | Vasistha | pickcoder: reset the printer, you mean? |
| 03:52.28 | pickcoder | don't turn it back on until you fix the PS->PDF foomatic bug |
| 03:52.29 | superjet_busy | I found unknow proccess with `netstat -tunlp` --> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:49840 0.0.0.0:* 3672 php-cgi, already shut down almost all the things in /etc/init.d, where is the dameon run the php-cgi? debian/lenny |
| 03:52.30 | pickcoder | yes |
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| 03:52.32 | \amethyst | enouf: he doesn't want remote X---he wants to connect to an existing X display on the remote computer |
| 03:52.34 | pickcoder | then restart CUPS |
| 03:53.13 | phorce1 | enouf: cool, dmidecode dumps lots of info -- lemme see what it says about the ram stick that is working |
| 03:53.26 | pickcoder | (or just take it offline if you can from the printer) |
| 03:53.49 | Vasistha | pickcoder: well ... that's where I started, actually. If I disconnect the printer from the computer (and reset the printer) it stops trying to print. But when I reconnect, it tries again -- even if I stop cupsd completely or restart the computer |
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| 03:54.15 | Vasistha | pickcoder: I'll try again, though, I mean that's what insanity is all about, right? Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result :) |
| 03:54.17 | enouf | \amethyst: i'm too sad to argue - you guys win |
| 03:54.45 | phorce1 | it says I can overclock from my current 2.13GhZ up to 4.00GhZ (if I attach liquid nitrogen cooling) |
| 03:55.01 | pickcoder | Vasistha: I'm going to look on my box and see if the mentioned PDF line is there |
| 03:55.09 | pickcoder | never mind |
| 03:55.10 | pickcoder | no printers |
| 03:56.06 | Vasistha | pickcoder: hehe, yeah, that's part of why I'm struggling, I hardly ever print anything ... I'm trying to fix my Dad's new box, here |
| 03:56.31 | pickcoder | phorce1: and you'll have enough $ in the cooling system to replace the board and upgrade the processors |
| 03:56.37 | Vasistha | bwuh |
| 03:56.50 | Vasistha | pickcoder: seems to have worked this time :) |
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| 03:57.11 | pickcoder | did it actually print a test page? |
| 03:57.33 | Vasistha | pickcoder: I guess that just proves that one must do insane things to make printers work? Haven't printed a test page yet, just saw that it's not trying to print garbage anymore so I am in good shape! |
| 03:57.55 | magyar | hi, how can i calculate the netmask for this network "202.186.0.0 - 202.187.255.255" ? |
| 03:58.02 | pickcoder | lprng is more sane |
| 03:58.12 | pickcoder | I really hate cups when I have to talk to raw text queues |
| 03:58.14 | enouf | phorce1: naturally, i was referring moreso to the i2c-tools pkg and modprobe eeprom ... |
| 03:58.34 | pickcoder | there is no sense in converting text to PDF and then back to text because my printer is text-only |
| 03:58.44 | kbateman | I'm running 2.6.28 on my new laptop now, and I actually have audio and can use my wifi. |
| 03:59.04 | \amethyst | magyar: ipcalc 202.186.0.0 - 202.187.255.255 |
| 03:59.08 | phorce1 | enouf: for this problem any test that requires a running OS is moot ;-) |
| 03:59.19 | pickcoder | and now it seems that cups will be using PDF from now on instead of PS |
| 03:59.25 | pickcoder | how supportive |
| 03:59.26 | enouf | phorce1: my life is moot |
| 03:59.34 | \amethyst | magyar: or were you asking how to figure it out in your head? |
| 03:59.36 | pickcoder | I think some of my printers support PS2 at the most |
| 03:59.52 | magyar | \amethyst: :) |
| 03:59.58 | Vasistha | pickcoder: that is a good point, I will try lprng. I guess 'ng' stands for next generation, which would make sense seeing as lpr has kind of a bad rap from many years ago |
| 04:00.00 | simonrvn | kbateman: \o/ |
| 04:00.06 | kbateman | yippee! |
| 04:00.17 | kbateman | Youtube doesn't work though |
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| 04:00.37 | Vasistha | kbateman: yay! That's just how I felt after upgrading etch to 2.6.22 |
| 04:00.38 | magyar | \amethyst: thanks, ipcalc will do just fine. I'm afraid my brain will get hurt with manual efforts |
| 04:01.29 | phorce1 | enouf: though, interestingly, dmidecode says that the memory controller report max stick size of 1G and max total RAM of 4G. That's not what printed board specs say and it's running fine with a single 2G stick right now and was using 2x2G sticks until I pulled one to use for testing another MB |
| 04:02.47 | enouf | phorce1: mine says max DIMM size of 256MB, every other site, including crucial.com and the OEM says 128M max |
| 04:03.10 | enouf | phorce1: learn about single-dual ranked DIMMs |
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| 04:03.51 | nareshov | my acer laptop's fan isn't controlled by acpi, what do i do? |
| 04:04.07 | pickcoder | Vasistha: yeh.. it's not bad but after being forced to use CUPS on various enterprise distros I've just bit the bullet and make things work on one spooler |
| 04:04.18 | enouf | phorce1: and then, learn how -bigmem (PAE) (and memory i/o hole remap BIOS settting) can affect your last DIMM |
| 04:04.23 | parsonsd | what does the "wired Ethernet driver" for 'wired' mean in the wpasupplicant man page? |
| 04:04.33 | pickcoder | luckily at work most of the important printers are Kyoceras that support PS3 and PDF |
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| 04:04.57 | parsonsd | are they actually considering running wpa over the wired network? |
| 04:05.49 | Vasistha | pickcoder: crap... libwine-print depends on cups-bsd | cupsys-bsd | lpr ... can I cry now? |
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| 04:06.14 | simonrvn | you may. by all means. |
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| 04:06.24 | pickcoder | it's wine afterall |
| 04:06.29 | enouf | phorce1: but my 128/256 issue was likely done through Redmond and the OEMs since winpoop98 has (can be overcome) issues with over 512M total |
| 04:06.56 | enouf | phorce1: so, 3x256 == 768 == broken OS |
| 04:07.42 | magyar | \amethyst: 254, the 7th bit |
| 04:07.59 | l034n | indeed |
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| 04:08.16 | l034n | \amethyst: so, it'll be 255.254.0.0 |
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| 04:09.47 | Zeroyez | i'm having troubles with the testing amd64 netinst, once it finishes setting up dhcp (same thing happens using static ip), it says network configuration failed |
| 04:10.01 | enouf | nareshov: remove acpi=off |
| 04:10.42 | parsonsd | how much can i trust that the wireless is supposed to be |
| 04:10.46 | parsonsd | "eth1" |
| 04:10.47 | parsonsd | ? |
| 04:10.49 | nareshov | enouf: how will the fan control itself then? |
| 04:11.33 | enouf | nareshov: ~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 04:11.34 | Zeroyez | is it possible to download the stable netinst and edit it to download the testing/unstable files? |
| 04:11.47 | enouf | nareshov: what? |
| 04:12.07 | nareshov | enouf: how will acpi=off help me? |
| 04:12.08 | Arrowmaster | Zeroyez: i think its even an option in the stable netinst to install testing |
| 04:12.15 | enouf | nareshov: i said remove it |
| 04:12.25 | nareshov | i'm not using it... |
| 04:12.33 | enouf | well, how would i know? |
| 04:12.40 | nareshov | hm |
| 04:12.41 | nareshov | well |
| 04:12.49 | Zeroyez | Arrowmaster: where can i find this option? |
| 04:12.49 | simonrvn | ex[rt mode. then choose it there. |
| 04:12.58 | simonrvn | expert |
| 04:12.59 | nareshov | it's just a normal debian install, i haven't done anything to the kernel |
| 04:13.07 | Zeroyez | i have the netinst iso for both, the testing one being broken |
| 04:13.23 | simonrvn | Zeroyez: ^^^ |
| 04:13.24 | nareshov | i started the laptop, cpu was at 46C, in a matter of 10-15 minutes, it has risen to 72C |
| 04:13.25 | enouf | nareshov: uname -r |
| 04:13.30 | enouf | and the other thing |
| 04:13.34 | nareshov | while freq hovers at around 800mhz |
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| 04:13.37 | nareshov | sec. |
| 04:13.42 | nareshov | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 04:13.43 | Zeroyez | funny the only part broken in the netinst iso is the part where it, you know, uses the net |
| 04:14.00 | l034n | lol |
| 04:14.06 | nareshov | http://dpaste.com/6690/ |
| 04:14.27 | Arrowmaster | you dont have some obscure network card do you? or using wireless? |
| 04:14.41 | Zeroyez | i tried all 4 cards on xVM |
| 04:14.46 | kbateman | flashplugin-nonfree ftw! |
| 04:14.47 | enouf | nareshov: ~$ lsmod | egrep 'processor|fan|thermal' |
| 04:14.49 | kbateman | youtube works |
| 04:15.08 | pickcoder | Zeroyez: routing issue? |
| 04:15.27 | nareshov | http://dpaste.com/6692/ |
| 04:15.35 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: xVM server or virtualbox? |
| 04:15.35 | Zeroyez | it works with the lenny netinst |
| 04:15.39 | Zeroyez | virtualbox |
| 04:15.46 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 04:15.51 | enouf | nareshov: you might want the various laptop-mode, acpi-support*, cpufrequtils pkgs |
| 04:16.10 | Zeroyez | "dhcp autoconfiguration success"..."installation step failed" |
| 04:16.14 | nareshov | okie |
| 04:16.20 | lysol | lol |
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| 04:16.42 | enouf | nareshov: maybe even lm-sensors |
| 04:16.50 | Zeroyez | i would try going to the next step but i don't have any arrow keys |
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| 04:16.53 | nareshov | enouf: i have lm-sensors installed |
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| 04:17.07 | enouf | nareshov: i'm out of ideas, sorry |
| 04:17.11 | Arrowmaster | Zeroyez: what are you installing on? |
| 04:17.24 | nareshov | thanks |
| 04:17.40 | Zeroyez | vbox 2.1.4 x64 |
| 04:17.44 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: no arrow keys at all? |
| 04:17.57 | Zeroyez | no i spilled spaghetti sauce on the right side of my keyboard |
| 04:18.03 | Zeroyez | it killed all the keys |
| 04:18.06 | Zeroyez | incl. numpad |
| 04:18.09 | SJrX | inetd currently allows you to wrap an application that takes input via stdin and stdout and make it a server. However is it possible to do the same except wrap SSL around it, easily? |
| 04:18.32 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: so ctrl-alt-f2 (Host-F2 in virtualbox) |
| 04:18.39 | enouf | nareshov: you could try various cpufreq-utils commands to set it to ondemand instead of performance maybe |
| 04:18.56 | nareshov | the governer is ondemand |
| 04:19.03 | nareshov | (by default) |
| 04:19.05 | nareshov | right? |
| 04:19.08 | Zeroyez | i be in the busybox now |
| 04:19.24 | nareshov | (i mean, the cpu runs at 800mhz right now until something cpu-intensive runs) |
| 04:19.43 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: you say you tried all four cards... are you using NAT or Host Interface? |
| 04:19.54 | Zeroyez | host interface |
| 04:19.57 | Zeroyez | tried NAT as well |
| 04:20.03 | enouf | nareshov: but yet the CPU temp raises to astronomical temps? |
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| 04:20.16 | amphi | you can use /etc/sysfs.conf to set the governor to ondemand at boottime, if it's not the default |
| 04:20.29 | Zeroyez | like i said, debian lenny netinst works perfectly, squeeze netinst fails at network setup |
| 04:20.45 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: which installer? I want to make sure I'm testing the same one |
| 04:21.01 | nareshov | enouf: right now it's at 75C (goes all the way to 84 if i run more stuff) |
| 04:21.37 | Zeroyez | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:21.38 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: the daily build netinst? |
| 04:21.42 | Matson | I'm looking for help with links to tools for managing large amounts of files, each one an email mesage: I have a research corpus of about 800,000 email messages - specifically I'm trying to find a way to get a handle on when different email addresses were seen - from / to etc and a way to find certain emails by keyword without having to search all the way through the whole corpus each time. |
| 04:21.50 | enouf | nareshov: but does the fan increase as needed? |
| 04:21.54 | Matson | does anyone know of tools that will help organize emails? |
| 04:22.24 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: the 2009-03-05 version? |
| 04:22.34 | Zeroyez | yes |
| 04:22.51 | Zeroyez | downloaded 20 mins ago |
| 04:22.59 | enouf | nareshov: i think there's a missing cpufreq* module not loaded? |
| 04:23.03 | nareshov | enouf: i can't really say if the fan is changing its speed or not- it seems to neither accelerate nor decelerate- it just runs all the time |
| 04:23.28 | nareshov | (i'm inferring that from the noise - i can't actually see the fan running) |
| 04:23.39 | enouf | cpufreq_conservative cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_stats |
| 04:23.39 | enouf | cpufreq-nforce2 cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_userspace |
| 04:24.25 | nareshov | also, http://dpaste.com/6697/ |
| 04:24.46 | mazzanet | pop |
| 04:25.16 | mazzanet | anyone know much about fonts/defoma/pdfs? |
| 04:25.54 | nareshov | depends on what you want to know, mazzanet ;/ |
| 04:26.00 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 04:26.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:26.18 | enouf | nareshov: yeah, my bad, missed the cpufreq in my last egrep |
| 04:26.31 | Zeroyez | perhaps i will try the businesscard installer |
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| 04:26.43 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: booting it up now to test |
| 04:26.43 | enouf | nareshov: BIOS has it all enabled? |
| 04:27.04 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: same environment here, virtualbox 2.1.4 on 64-bit opensolaris |
| 04:27.09 | enouf | nareshov: SPeedStep , PowerNow, whatever |
| 04:27.18 | Zeroyez | alright |
| 04:27.20 | nareshov | my bios is kind of minimal, i don't see a lot of options |
| 04:27.36 | nareshov | (i upgraded the bios last semester, no new versions as of this morning) |
| 04:27.42 | mazzanet | ok, i'm displaying a pdf using kpdf/xpdf that calls on Helvetica but it's rendering really horribly |
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| 04:28.00 | enouf | nareshov: check the BTS please then |
| 04:28.04 | nareshov | mazzanet: screenshot? |
| 04:28.08 | nareshov | okie |
| 04:28.17 | jerrypozer | I installed postresql during my clean debian 5.0 installed - postresql is not starting when I issue /etc/init.d/postresql-8.3 start - no messages printed.. I noticed that the folder /etc/postresql is totally empty (i.e., no pg_hba.conf files). Am I missing something ? |
| 04:28.19 | mazzanet | it's using some font out of gsfonts (type1) |
| 04:28.22 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: I can confirm |
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| 04:28.38 | mazzanet | i want yo substitute it for another font |
| 04:28.53 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: "Network detection succeeded", then "Installation step failed" |
| 04:28.57 | Zeroyez | i managed to click set clock, then it said it required a step, i clicked back, then it worked |
| 04:29.00 | enouf | nareshov: are you also using some uswpsusp/hibernate/resume/s2ram ? |
| 04:29.32 | nareshov | pm-suspend works only when X is turned off |
| 04:29.40 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: oh strange |
| 04:29.42 | nareshov | haven't tried hibernate yet |
| 04:29.51 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: if I try running wget from the command line I get a segfault |
| 04:30.00 | Zeroyez | oh but then it compained i had no disk drives |
| 04:30.02 | mazzanet | now i have multiple fonts that have aliases for helvetica |
| 04:30.17 | mazzanet | ... in defoma hints |
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| 04:30.27 | Matson | does anyone know of tools that will help organize lots of emails? |
| 04:30.27 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: did you use IDE or SATA? |
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| 04:30.32 | Zeroyez | sata |
| 04:30.40 | mazzanet | how do i prioritise one over the other? |
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| 04:31.39 | enouf | nareshov: all i can say, might have something to do with it, check dmesg, /var/log/* and others for clues |
| 04:31.44 | nareshov | Matson: you might want to use a desktop email client and let one of the desktop indexing programs to index them |
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| 04:32.10 | Matson | nareshov: thank you - great suggestion but I don't use a linux desktop - all console |
| 04:32.20 | nareshov | o |
| 04:32.31 | Matson | plus this is for a *really* big collection of emails |
| 04:32.34 | enouf | nareshov: /msg dpkg laptop (find your make/model) see if anything relevant |
| 04:32.48 | Matson | I'm looking for something that will dump them in a database |
| 04:32.55 | Matson | or create / index them for search |
| 04:33.32 | Zeroyez | businesscard installer has same problem |
| 04:33.44 | kbateman | Matson: something like procmail? |
| 04:33.57 | kbateman | or to manage a set of existing emails? |
| 04:33.57 | Matson | kbateman: I use procmail now a lot |
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| 04:34.30 | Matson | kbateman: it doesn't help answer questions like - which emails of al of them have this address |
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| 04:34.58 | Matson | or which emails have the following attachement names |
| 04:35.04 | anarcat | hello |
| 04:35.09 | anarcat | does anyone know how i can find where on my keyboard i can find special character "°" (without having to type every possible combination...)? |
| 04:35.15 | Matson | the problem is the corpus is too big to search with scripts each time |
| 04:35.34 | anarcat | i found gucharmap, but that just shows the complete unicode table (which is useful, but doesn't teach me where the key is) |
| 04:35.51 | Psuedo | I just installed some updates from update-manager (Intrepid) that broke my system. Is there a way to uninstall those updates? I can still login to GNOME, or OpenBox. I know the exact updates that are causing the problem. |
| 04:35.55 | enouf | nareshov: maybe you said desktop at one time, if so, my bad |
| 04:35.56 | Arrowmaster | what keyboard layout are you using? |
| 04:36.15 | anarcat | Arrowmaster: me? "ca" |
| 04:36.21 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: if you try wget http://google.com/ from the shell after configuring the network, do you get a segfault? |
| 04:36.35 | anarcat | and it's more a general question... i would like to find "how" more than "what" at this point... |
| 04:36.45 | anarcat | in fact i suspect the layout /doesn't/ have that key :/ |
| 04:36.54 | Zeroyez | yes |
| 04:37.22 | anarcat | Psuedo: isn't intrepid a Ubuntu distribution? |
| 04:37.23 | l034n | how can i get one package from testing on a box running lenny stable? |
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| 04:37.42 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: and wget http://74.125.45.100/ works? |
| 04:38.05 | Zeroyez | i'll have to open up the vm again |
| 04:38.13 | l034n | do i need to change sources.list to testing, get it and change back, or is there other way (besides compiling it myself) |
| 04:38.34 | Zeroyez | installing using 5.0.0 businesscard and changes apt sources to testing |
| 04:41.58 | patintin | waves |
| 04:42.20 | jerrypozer | how I am suposed to start the postgresql server after installing it ? |
| 04:42.27 | patintin | why is it that the output of "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and "CPU_INFO=`cat /proc/cpuinfo` ; echo $CPU_INFO" are in different output format? anyone can explain on this? thank you.. |
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| 04:43.31 | \amethyst | patintin: becaue when you use $CPU_INFO unquoted, the shell splits it into words, then echo joins the words together with a space |
| 04:44.13 | \amethyst | patintin: in effect, all whitespace sequences collapse to a single space. Also, globs are expanded so for example a * standing alone will turn into the list of files in the current directory |
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| 04:44.33 | \amethyst | patintin: echo "$CPU_INFO" will keep the output as it is |
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| 04:44.44 | patintin | let me try.. |
| 04:45.02 | anarcat | so after looking at symbols/ca, it's simply not on this keyboard |
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| 04:45.18 | patintin | thanks, amethyst.. i got it already.. ;) |
| 04:45.37 | anarcat | it's on the « key which i don't have, darn |
| 04:45.49 | anarcat | ok thanks |
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| 04:50.01 | kbateman | jerrypozer: does it show up in the Services list? |
| 04:50.47 | kbateman | jerrypozer: su, then run services-admin |
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| 04:51.31 | CentHOGG | hi, anybody here mdadm raid0? |
| 04:51.44 | jerrypozer | kbaterman: thanks for the help . I found the issue.. it seems the default installation did not create a main cluster... weird, had to issue "pg_createcluster 8.3 main --start" |
| 04:52.05 | kbateman | databases tend to require manual installation effort |
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| 04:53.23 | txqq | hey ,can i read the gz format document without decompress it? |
| 04:53.30 | jerrypozer | in my previous debian install the service was running after install - first time I had to create the main cluster - anyways |
| 04:53.44 | txqq | just like the manpage |
| 04:53.45 | jerrypozer | seems to be related to bug #510658 |
| 04:55.26 | hark | txqq: zless, zmore, vim, w3m... |
| 04:56.20 | pl4yer0ne | zcat too! |
| 04:56.38 | hark | emacs! |
| 04:56.42 | txqq | hark,pl4yerOne: Thank you |
| 04:57.01 | pl4yer0ne | haha no worries but im pretty sure hark had it covered |
| 04:57.14 | nareshov | txqq: most works too, in colour :D |
| 04:58.52 | parsonsd | iwlist eth1 scan returns "interface doesn't support scanning", yet, it's listed as a prism 1... why is a wireless device being called 'eth'? |
| 04:59.25 | txqq | nareshov:what do you mean by "in colour" |
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| 05:00.27 | hark | parsonsd: eth* is valid, depends on the driver afaik |
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| 05:01.32 | hark | parsonsd: what does iwconfig say about eth1? |
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| 05:03.19 | hark | parsonsd: basename `readlink /sys/class/net/eth1/device/driver/module` |
| 05:03.19 | parsonsd | hark: 802.11-ds, essid "wrtj" (that would be what i've named the network, rather than "linksys", right?), nickname "prism I" |
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| 05:04.02 | parsonsd | hark, orinoco_pci |
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| 05:06.28 | mazzanet | ... in defoma hints |
| 05:06.37 | mazzanet | bah |
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| 05:08.36 | parsonsd | hark: where did you find that path?? |
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| 05:11.59 | hark | parsonsd: that's standard, /sys/class/net/eth1/device/driver/module |
| 05:12.34 | hark | parsonsd: do you know which version of the orinoco driver you are using? |
| 05:13.53 | hark | or just google for orinoco "interface doesn't..scanning" |
| 05:14.54 | parsonsd | hark: new install. didn't even know i needed a special driver. |
| 05:15.11 | parsonsd | i pulled it out of my old obsd gateway and i added nothing to it then. |
| 05:15.15 | parsonsd | :) |
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| 05:19.31 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: still around? |
| 05:19.52 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517231 |
| 05:20.18 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: that's the bug you're encountering I believe |
| 05:21.32 | Zeroyez | oh |
| 05:22.44 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: as for the disk thing---it looks like the kernel's detecting the disk but the installer isn't |
| 05:23.48 | \amethyst | Zeroyez: I don't know if it's related, but parted_devices is failing because of a lack of libselinux.so.1 |
| 05:24.59 | Zeroyez | well, i've gotten my sid install working nicely right now using the netinst for lenny, so i'll be going to bed while apt installs xfce :) |
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| 05:25.04 | Zeroyez | thanks for the help |
| 05:26.23 | \amethyst | see, people, this is why you don't use testing for a while after a release :) |
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| 05:33.28 | phix | ok why am I getting this message for? i just updated exim4 (yes I accept the maintainers changes otherwise it doesn't work) --> 2009-03-05 16:39:34 unknown named host list "+relay_from_hosts" |
| 05:33.44 | phix | and this too when sending an email --> 2009-03-05 16:36:31 1Lf6Fz-0005qq-Mw unknown named domain list "+local_domains" |
| 05:34.22 | phix | I did have this error because for some reason the update didnt install a configuration file --> unknown ACL verb "acl_local_deny_exceptions" in "acl_local_deny_exceptions" |
| 05:34.26 | phix | wtf is wrong with the package? |
| 05:34.27 | liable | did you check the changelog and readme? |
| 05:34.32 | phix | of corse |
| 05:34.35 | phix | before I updated |
| 05:35.02 | phix | I was using a pre-release lenny version of exim4 |
| 05:35.05 | phix | now I am updating it |
| 05:35.42 | phix | now everything is broken, even when comparing the configuration files with a working lenny exim4 server I cant figure out what is missing |
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| 05:36.38 | phix | wtf, 01_exim4-config_listmacrosdefs is missing :\ |
| 05:36.44 | Kensey | so I dist-upgraded sarge -> etch -> lenny last night & today. |
| 05:37.11 | Kensey | the only issue I had is a known bug in grub2, apparently |
| 05:37.29 | phix | what is the command to get apt to install all configuration files on update? |
| 05:37.40 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 05:37.40 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 05:37.52 | Kensey | phix: you mean apt-get update? |
| 05:38.08 | phix | Kensey: no \amethyst knows what is going on :) |
| 05:38.10 | phix | thanx \amethyst |
| 05:38.10 | \amethyst | phix: you might want --force-confnew in addition to --force-confmess |
| 05:38.13 | aixenv | anyone know how to automate the postfix install? |
| 05:38.19 | aixenv | i been looking all over for that |
| 05:38.54 | aixenv | i have the entire etch / lenny installs preseeded, plust a postinst script that configures everything we need, minus a prompt OK for upgrades kernel, and the 3 prompts for postfix :( |
| 05:39.01 | nareshov | aixenv: dpkg-reconfigure postfix-config ? |
| 05:40.03 | aixenv | nareshov: so instead of doing the 'apt-get install postfix' command first run a dpkg-reconfigure postfix-config *some other options" and then that'll preset those variables? then run apt-get install postfix? |
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| 05:43.28 | funky | does anyone on sid know what to do about the .conf files in /etc/modprobe.d/ issue ? |
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| 05:43.45 | funky | should I wait or should I rename all the files in that directory? |
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| 05:46.59 | dmoerner | funky, http://www.nabble.com/the-files-in--etc-modprobe.d--td22300371.html |
| 05:47.25 | nareshov | aixenv: oh, oops. wrong, nvm. |
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| 05:47.54 | se7en | is there a timeplane when kde4.2 arives in debian/sid |
| 05:47.59 | debian_noob | !dpkg l33t |
| 05:48.00 | dpkg | Plz uze #debian-l33t 4 hlp in l33t !! U wud get m0re helpz their !!! lol L33t speakers, please use #debian-l33t for help in the l33t dialect. You will get much more help there. 100% lame |
| 05:48.16 | aixenv | nareshov is that just how to do it? |
| 05:48.23 | aixenv | via command line |
| 05:48.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | what tool is used for diffing binary debian packages? |
| 05:48.40 | mazzanet | nareshov: http://mazzanet.id.au/storage/pdf_helvetica.jpg |
| 05:48.52 | parsonsd | hark : so i rebooted with the default kernel( no funny modules) and it found my orinoco_pci driver and seems to bring it up. it even doesn't complain in finding a nearby ap. |
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| 05:49.29 | dmoerner | se7en, not really. http://www.nabble.com/KDE-in-the-transition-queue-td22026142.html |
| 05:49.33 | funky | dmoerner: thank you |
| 05:50.17 | se7en | thanks dmoerner |
| 05:50.20 | parsonsd | but if i read http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/orinoco correctly, there is no WPA support? or is it a "limited WPA" support |
| 05:50.23 | parsonsd | ? |
| 05:50.57 | parsonsd | hark: oh -- thanks by the way, for pointing out i was using the wrong module :) |
| 05:51.42 | roe_ | anyone know what the deal is with the MDB2_pgsql package and the lack of one? |
| 05:52.07 | roe_ | there is this: php-mdb2-driver-mysql for mysql, but nothing for pgsql |
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| 05:54.03 | \amethyst | roe_: looks like it's sitting in NEW right now |
| 05:54.13 | roe_ | what is "NEW" |
| 05:54.35 | phix | \amethyst: thanx |
| 05:54.36 | phix | <3 |
| 05:54.56 | \amethyst | roe_: a directory in the archive where new packages wait to be reviewed |
| 05:55.26 | roe_ | so it'll hit sid in a few days? |
| 05:55.47 | dmoerner | who knows when NEW will be done processing new packages. i have had something waiting in it for about a month now |
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| 05:56.09 | \amethyst | roe_: well... it's been there since November :( |
| 05:56.10 | mazzanet | or anyone who knows stuff about linux fonts |
| 05:56.14 | roe_ | can I just grab it? |
| 05:56.21 | mazzanet | http://mazzanet.id.au/storage/pdf_helvetica.jpg |
| 05:56.27 | mazzanet | apparently that's Helvetica |
| 05:56.37 | mazzanet | xpdf is using /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n019003l.pfb |
| 05:56.59 | \amethyst | roe_: http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 05:57.13 | \amethyst | roe_: oh, wait, not there |
| 05:57.27 | roe_ | found it |
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| 05:57.34 | roe_ | ftp-master.debian.org |
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| 05:58.21 | muhoo | i've added some options to modprobe.d/ files, and they get executed properly at boot time, but at acpi resume time, they get ignored |
| 05:58.24 | muhoo | why? |
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| 05:59.27 | enouf | check your /etc/acpi*/* scripts |
| 05:59.34 | parsonsd | hark: could you repeat the basename command you sent me? |
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| 06:01.17 | enouf | udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth1 |
| 06:01.20 | muhoo | enouf: check what abotu them, specifically? 35-modules-load.sh just runs through the modules it unloaded and modprobe's them. gah! how do i make it respect the options in modprobe.d? |
| 06:01.37 | enouf | udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth1 | grep -i Driver |
| 06:01.40 | parsonsd | enouf : thanks. |
| 06:02.10 | muhoo | does it really blindly discard the options of the modules it unloads? that's insane. |
| 06:02.17 | debian_noob | Hi |
| 06:02.40 | muhoo | yep, 70.modules-unload.sh, just modprobe -r's them. |
| 06:02.46 | debian_noob | How to compress files to the bz2 format? |
| 06:02.59 | debian_noob | High compression |
| 06:03.00 | phix | can I linux which irq to assign to a certain device? |
| 06:03.11 | enouf | seems my grep is broke, or udevinfo, or both |
| 06:04.23 | parsonsd | debian_noob - apropos bzip |
| 06:04.36 | \amethyst | muhoo: modprobe is supposed to respect the stuff in modprobe.d... you don't have /etc/modprobe.conf do you? |
| 06:04.43 | parsonsd | debian_noob, in particular, you'll want to `man bzip2` |
| 06:04.55 | phix | \amethyst: that question was mostly directed to you :P since you have a clue :) |
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| 06:05.06 | enouf | or a /etc/modules.conf |
| 06:05.07 | muhoo | \amethyst: there is no modprobe.conf on this machine. it is lenny |
| 06:05.23 | \amethyst | muhoo: just making sure, since that would cause modprobe to ignore modprobe.d |
| 06:05.36 | muhoo | \amethyst: no modules.conf either. haven't seen one of those in a few years |
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| 06:16.43 | noob | Hey I have a problem with terminal |
| 06:17.21 | noob | Whenever i open root terminal a dialog comes saying :An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for gnome-terminal. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly. |
| 06:18.42 | noob | This also happened with gedit once |
| 06:19.23 | Guerin | noob: solution: use something which isn't gnome-terminal |
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| 06:19.54 | noob | guerin:but is it a serious problem? |
| 06:20.07 | \amethyst | noob: I believe it's because root doesn't have a gnome-settings-daemon running |
| 06:20.08 | Guerin | noob: nope. Just means if you make any config changes they won't stick. |
| 06:20.25 | Guerin | \amethyst: it's amazingly stupid that such should be required. |
| 06:20.26 | noob | it started yesterday |
| 06:20.29 | \amethyst | noob: not that you'd want root to run g-s-d |
| 06:20.42 | noob | before that it used to run fine |
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| 06:21.01 | noob | do you think its because of the terminal screenlet i installed? |
| 06:21.28 | parsonsd | noob , if you remove it, does the function return? |
| 06:21.40 | noob | let me see |
| 06:22.51 | noob | it still gives the error |
| 06:23.37 | \amethyst | noob: I get the same error. if I use gksudo instead of gksu it works |
| 06:23.42 | \amethyst | still |
| 06:23.50 | noob | it also gives this http://pastebin.com/m6b095a7c |
| 06:23.58 | \amethyst | imho the 'root terminal' desktop item is a bad bad ide |
| 06:24.00 | \amethyst | idea |
| 06:24.17 | noob | \amethyst:what version of debian are you using? |
| 06:24.23 | \amethyst | unstable |
| 06:24.28 | noob | sid? |
| 06:24.32 | \amethyst | yes |
| 06:24.35 | noob | ok |
| 06:24.40 | noob | im using squeeze |
| 06:24.56 | Supaplex | testing isn't for noobs |
| 06:25.02 | noob | i know |
| 06:25.11 | noob | i just use it for the updates |
| 06:25.24 | noob | i dont care if my pc crashes |
| 06:25.39 | noob | i have no precious data |
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| 06:26.00 | Supaplex | I suspect you use it for shiney new software syndrome. that's nice. it's geared for developers, so if you're not really in that mindframe, you're on your own. |
| 06:26.44 | noob | right |
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| 06:32.03 | noob | When i run foomatic-gui,it says:An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for foomatic-gui. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly. |
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| 06:34.27 | noob | even with epiphany the same message is coming |
| 06:35.30 | \amethyst | noob: are you running epiphany as root or as the logged-in user? |
| 06:35.46 | noob | logged in user |
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| 06:36.13 | \amethyst | okay, so that's weird |
| 06:36.13 | noob | Actually i clicked on a link |
| 06:36.18 | \amethyst | oh |
| 06:36.24 | \amethyst | from the root terminal? |
| 06:36.27 | noob | no |
| 06:36.34 | noob | from this window |
| 06:36.57 | noob | by mistake i clicked on some ones email id |
| 06:37.39 | noob | you saw the output? |
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| 06:38.48 | noob | http://pastebin.com/m6b095a7c |
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| 06:42.11 | \amethyst | noob: this won't help with epiphany, but running GNOME apps as root seems to work better using gksudo rather than gksu |
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| 06:42.21 | newsense | is squeeze out yet ? |
| 06:42.32 | noob | newsense:its still testing |
| 06:42.38 | newsense | or is testing still lenny with some updates ? |
| 06:42.42 | noob | come on lenny was released in feb |
| 06:42.50 | \amethyst | noob: you can try gconftool --type bool --set /apps/gksu/sudo-mode true and see if that helps |
| 06:43.46 | noob | this is the output:http://pastebin.com/m6b095a7c |
| 06:44.11 | \amethyst | didn't you just pastebin that? |
| 06:44.17 | \amethyst | oh |
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| 06:44.39 | \amethyst | yes, I get the same error running gnome-terminal under gksu, but it works under gksudo |
| 06:44.45 | newsense | hmm last time i checked debian_version said lenny still but now it does say squeeze, lsb_release still says lenny though |
| 06:44.59 | newsense | what's up with kde4 in squeeze ? |
| 06:45.33 | \amethyst | kde4 has to get into sid before it can go into squeeze |
| 06:45.39 | noob | ya |
| 06:45.50 | newsense | ahh so some time still |
| 06:45.56 | newsense | got ya |
| 06:45.59 | \amethyst | there are parts of kde4 there |
| 06:46.21 | \amethyst | there are parts in lenny |
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| 06:46.45 | Matthias` | hey guys, can someone tell me the line to create a SSH socks5 tunnel on my dedicated server? (so i can use 127.0.0.1:7777 as a socks5 ip/port on my own pc) |
| 06:47.23 | newsense | Matthias`: did ya google sshd socks5 ? |
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| 06:47.48 | Matthias` | newsense; yeah but those guides don't make much sense and i know it's just a single line command..... so was hoping someone could tell me |
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| 06:48.31 | newsense | Matthias`: i just googled it and found at least five usable guides is why i asked is all |
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| 06:48.57 | Matthias` | yeah i know there's a lot of guides but i just can't make out anything from the puzzle language in them hehe |
| 06:50.06 | emma | has anyone noticed that names that start with 'c' are common on IRC but names that start with 'y' are rare? |
| 06:50.25 | emma | This seems unexpected to me, it's prominent enough i'd like some explanation. |
| 06:50.34 | Matthias` | has anyone noticed that names that start with y are rare to begin with? |
| 06:50.39 | Matthias` | rofl |
| 06:50.42 | newsense | Matthias`: might be easier to just explain the part you don't understand |
| 06:50.54 | Matthias` | emma; are you a girl |
| 06:50.59 | emma | Matthias`: sure they are but irc nicks have nothing to do with English names. |
| 06:51.09 | emma | Matthias`: as of this morning yes. |
| 06:51.17 | Matthias` | so why are u on irc? |
| 06:51.21 | Matthias` | shouldn't you be in the kitchen |
| 06:51.24 | emma | ohblah |
| 06:51.24 | Matthias` | making breakfast |
| 06:51.41 | newsense | ops |
| 06:51.47 | Matthias` | i know i'd cuss out my gf if she was on irc this early in the morning lol |
| 06:51.48 | noob | Why dont you message each other |
| 06:52.01 | emma | the one thing i will say about your comment is that I really admire #debian (the channel) for not getting bent out of shape about you making it. I think you are an ass but I'm a libertarian who values freespeech. |
| 06:52.16 | noob | USE /msg |
| 06:52.38 | Matthias` | i'm not an ass but at 6 in the morning a woman should be in the kitchen preparing dinner for her household |
| 06:52.57 | newsense | Matthias`: try /topic |
| 06:53.06 | emma | I hope you aren't Matthias Ettrich |
| 06:53.19 | emma | I always hear that guy when I turn on Amarok. |
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| 06:53.33 | Matthias` | emma; who's going to get your bf/husband his breakfast? |
| 06:53.37 | Matthias` | if you don't do it? |
| 06:53.39 | pl4yer0ne | Matthias`, Apparently you forget that around the world there are several different "time zones" |
| 06:54.12 | \amethyst | um |
| 06:54.27 | newsense | !ops Matthias` offtopic sexism |
| 06:54.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: newsense complains about: Matthias` offtopic sexism |
| 06:54.53 | Matthias` | am i getting attacked by femists? |
| 06:55.00 | \amethyst | yes |
| 06:55.03 | hark | Bridge ahead. Pay troll. |
| 06:55.25 | pl4yer0ne | lol @ femists oh noes! femists! |
| 06:55.37 | \amethyst | assuming 'femist' means 'reasonable person' |
| 06:55.44 | Matthias` | you know that feminism is the reason why men are losing faith in society |
| 06:56.02 | Matthias` | and if men lose faith, our world goes to hell |
| 06:56.06 | Matthias` | cuz women can't do shit |
| 06:56.10 | \amethyst | No, I'm pretty sure I'm losing more faith in society because of bigoted pricks than because of feminists |
| 06:56.12 | newsense | what does this have to do with debian ? |
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| 06:56.45 | Matthias` | \amethyst; if a man loses faith in society it has immediate effects on his surroundings compared to women |
| 06:56.47 | emma | I started out using linux with ubuntu, and really I still use it, but i have used Debian now, I have a lot of espect for Debian. |
| 06:56.56 | newsense | lets keep it on topic guys and gals |
| 06:57.06 | emma | Really when I use Ubuntu I just feel like I'm using Debian that's a little easier for me. |
| 06:57.07 | streuner_ | Matthias`: please go another channel, we support Debian |
| 06:57.27 | Matthias` | emma; how many hours do you spend in front of a monitor VS time spent in front of the mirror? |
| 06:57.44 | noob | Matthias':Stop it! |
| 06:57.52 | noob | cant you message her? |
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| 06:57.57 | \amethyst | ... |
| 06:57.59 | Matthias` | why would i |
| 06:58.04 | Matthias` | i don't talk to women |
| 06:58.19 | noob | den dont |
| 06:59.15 | Matthias` | you guys realize that if women weren't feminists we wouldn't have a 45% US divorce rate these days |
| 06:59.29 | newsense | kick Matthias` already |
| 06:59.59 | Matthias` | feminism is an unnatural development which goes against nature's plan with the earth |
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| 07:00.36 | newsense | Matthias`: welcome to /ignore buddy |
| 07:00.38 | noob | Matthias`:talk on #debian-offtopic |
| 07:00.53 | Matthias` | lol, are all of you geeks or something? |
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| 07:02.26 | \amethyst | err |
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| 07:02.41 | noob | no were not |
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| 07:04.58 | nareshov | lol noob |
| 07:05.11 | noob | atleast im not |
| 07:05.15 | nareshov | D: |
| 07:05.19 | noob | im a normal 14 year old kid |
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| 07:06.35 | DogBoy | what is a normal 14 year old kid again? |
| 07:06.49 | nareshov | what is a DogBoy again? |
| 07:06.56 | nareshov | :p |
| 07:07.14 | neonoe_ | plip |
| 07:07.16 | EmleyMoor | What is this concept "normal"? |
| 07:07.21 | noob | dogboy:you dont understand normal? |
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| 07:07.31 | nareshov | the bell curve |
| 07:07.37 | nareshov | distribution |
| 07:07.44 | DogBoy | I take exception to the concept in general |
| 07:07.50 | DogBoy | as not being very useful |
| 07:08.01 | nareshov | i know |
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| 07:08.20 | nareshov | but the sad state of many under developed countries are infected with such thought |
| 07:09.02 | DogBoy | I'm a normal dogboy |
| 07:09.07 | noob | well at least im normal |
| 07:09.08 | nareshov | lolwut |
| 07:09.32 | DogBoy | you don't understand normal nareshov |
| 07:09.44 | nareshov | hm |
| 07:09.50 | noob | dogboy:explain |
| 07:09.55 | nareshov | like, perpendicular to something? |
| 07:10.01 | DogBoy | heh |
| 07:10.03 | nareshov | "normal rays" |
| 07:10.17 | noob | hey nareshov,you indian? |
| 07:10.33 | nareshov | noob: what makes you think that? :o |
| 07:10.46 | noob | name? |
| 07:11.04 | DogBoy | nareshov is a normal name |
| 07:11.05 | nareshov | doesn't it sound ukranian/ |
| 07:11.07 | nareshov | ? |
| 07:11.22 | noob | your name is naresh right?? |
| 07:11.26 | nareshov | damn |
| 07:11.31 | DogBoy | maybe to a ukranian |
| 07:11.31 | noob | what? |
| 07:11.33 | nareshov | you found it |
| 07:11.50 | noob | are you indian? |
| 07:12.01 | nareshov | i'm an earthling |
| 07:12.11 | DogBoy | sure |
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| 07:12.45 | noob | nareshov:im indian too |
| 07:12.50 | nareshov | .. |
| 07:12.58 | nareshov | > "too" |
| 07:13.07 | noob | ??? |
| 07:14.02 | nareshov | lol ^ |
| 07:14.22 | DogBoy | I'll be the cowboy |
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| 07:18.53 | JyZyXEL | yes --version |
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| 07:19.12 | JyZyXEL | how can you go to 6.10 with that :D |
| 07:19.24 | nareshov | lol |
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| 07:20.00 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if theres something like "Fixed the issue with accational n's" in the changelog :D |
| 07:20.23 | Rafase_282 | hello |
| 07:20.29 | Rafase_282 | I'm having troubel installign soem apps |
| 07:20.32 | Rafase_282 | like apt-get install tightvncserver |
| 07:20.44 | noob | use aptitude |
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| 07:21.16 | grummund | JyZyXEL: lenny has it "yes (GNU coreutils) 6.10" |
| 07:21.39 | JyZyXEL | i bet the version 1 was terrible |
| 07:21.41 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 07:21.44 | nareshov | lol |
| 07:21.56 | Rafase_282 | lets see if it works |
| 07:22.03 | nareshov | and ld --version |
| 07:22.10 | nareshov | is still at 2.19.1! |
| 07:22.12 | Rafase_282 | does aptitude update, autoclean, upgrade works too? |
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| 07:23.04 | noob | yes |
| 07:23.08 | grummund | ok. i get the joke... haha ;). (it's early) |
| 07:23.09 | noob | its better |
| 07:23.16 | Rafase_282 | I may need to get betetr repo |
| 07:23.25 | Rafase_282 | i always get a no foudn error |
| 07:23.27 | noob | what are you using? |
| 07:23.38 | Rafase_282 | me? |
| 07:23.46 | noob | ya |
| 07:23.55 | noob | paste your sources.list |
| 07:23.56 | Rafase_282 | I'm Runign Debian Lenny from my HTC Dream aka G1 |
| 07:24.04 | Rafase_282 | and I just have the default ones |
| 07:24.42 | noob | try this:ftp://ftp.nara.wide.ad.jp/debian lenny main contrib nonfree |
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| 07:25.05 | Rafase_282 | to add it? |
| 07:25.16 | Rafase_282 | i dont know how to edit the reppos |
| 07:25.26 | Rafase_282 | i knwo i can use nano |
| 07:25.33 | Rafase_282 | but i dont know where the file is |
| 07:25.38 | noob | gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:25.41 | noob | as root |
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| 07:26.08 | Rafase_282 | ok |
| 07:26.12 | Rafase_282 | give me a sec |
| 07:26.17 | Rafase_282 | it is still doign stuff |
| 07:27.20 | noob | wait |
| 07:27.23 | noob | use this |
| 07:27.55 | Rafase_282 | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 07:27.59 | Rafase_282 | thast all i have on my repo |
| 07:28.31 | Rafase_282 | I need more sources... |
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| 07:29.13 | noob | http://yourpaste.net/1722/ |
| 07:29.26 | noob | replace the testing with lenny |
| 07:29.49 | nareshov | wait |
| 07:29.55 | nareshov | what arch is that HTC? |
| 07:30.03 | nareshov | not all mirrors mirror arm? |
| 07:30.25 | noob | rafase_282:im goin |
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| 07:30.32 | noob | ask someone else |
| 07:30.34 | noob | Bye |
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| 07:30.41 | Rafase_282 | thanks |
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| 07:31.26 | Rafase_282 | nareshov, armv6 |
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| 07:31.42 | nareshov | ftp://ftp.nara.wide.ad.jp/debian/dists/lenny/ <-- see if it's listed here |
| 07:32.19 | Rafase_282 | i only have this one deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main |
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| 07:32.55 | nareshov | replace it with what noob gave you |
| 07:33.05 | nareshov | he might've given that because it worked for him |
| 07:33.15 | nareshov | even i had to look for a mirror :/ |
| 07:33.49 | Rafase_282 | he told me to replace testing for lenny right? |
| 07:34.06 | nareshov | ya |
| 07:34.13 | nareshov | no |
| 07:34.23 | nareshov | replace testing with lenny |
| 07:34.31 | maligor | is it armel or arm?-) |
| 07:34.53 | Rafase_282 | mmm idk |
| 07:34.57 | Rafase_282 | let me ask |
| 07:35.14 | maligor | doesn't matter |
| 07:36.02 | Rafase_282 | so justt replce testing for lenny |
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| 07:36.22 | nareshov | s/testing/lenny/ |
| 07:36.31 | Rafase_282 | ?? |
| 07:36.35 | Rafase_282 | just add not replace? |
| 07:36.40 | nima0102 | hi |
| 07:36.42 | Rafase_282 | or is it like this? http://yourpaste.net/1722#m203 |
| 07:36.45 | nareshov | hi nima0102 |
| 07:37.03 | maligor | he is correct, replace :P |
| 07:37.15 | Rafase_282 | i thik i already did |
| 07:37.16 | Rafase_282 | http://yourpaste.net/1722#m203 |
| 07:37.21 | Rafase_282 | check it out |
| 07:37.27 | maligor | you might want to change the deb-src lines too |
| 07:37.38 | nima0102 | I want install squid 64-bit on debian 64-bit, Does apt automatically fetch squid 64-bit for debian 64-bit ?? |
| 07:38.00 | Rafase_282 | can you edit them and paste it ? |
| 07:38.05 | Rafase_282 | idk what else to change to it |
| 07:38.17 | maligor | nima0102, all the packages except ones with '32' in the name are 64bit versions |
| 07:38.21 | nareshov | nima0102: try aptitude download squid and see what package it downloads |
| 07:38.56 | nareshov | maligor: what if nima0102 was running a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit userland/install? |
| 07:39.08 | maligor | he said 'debian 64-bit' |
| 07:39.13 | nareshov | o |
| 07:39.26 | maligor | ofcourse he might just be confused ;) |
| 07:39.28 | nareshov | ah yes, debian is gnu/linux D: |
| 07:39.34 | nareshov | not just "linux" |
| 07:39.35 | nareshov | :p |
| 07:40.06 | Rafase_282 | ok got it |
| 07:40.26 | nareshov | now aptitude update and fire away |
| 07:40.34 | maligor | I guess the HTC Dream had some ARM11? |
| 07:40.42 | nima0102 | nareshov: Ihave install squid via aot-get, and output "squid -v" includes "amd64-debian-linux' 'build_alias=amd64-deb" |
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| 07:40.55 | nareshov | nima0102: then that's a 64-bit squid |
| 07:41.01 | nareshov | just the way you want it |
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| 07:42.35 | nima0102 | maligor: your sentence it means that all of packages on debian 64-bit automatically install 64-bit version ??? |
| 07:42.38 | Rafase_282 | with nano, how do I save the changes? |
| 07:42.56 | maligor | nima0102, well, yes, except ones that it doesn't make sense for |
| 07:43.03 | nareshov | Rafase_282: control+o, control+x to quit |
| 07:43.33 | maligor | nima0102, but most are 64bit versions |
| 07:43.51 | maligor | the exceptions being 32bit compability userspace libraries and wine |
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| 07:44.07 | nareshov | and proprietary stuff |
| 07:44.08 | nima0102 | maligor: then squid surely is 64-bit on debian 64-bit ?? |
| 07:44.18 | newsense | so is kde4 going to show up in squeeze anytime soon, or is that pretty unlikely ? |
| 07:44.39 | maligor | nima0102, unless you run some sort of obscenely large and busy server, it's not like it'd even matter |
| 07:44.49 | nareshov | (that's what i was going to ask) |
| 07:45.07 | nareshov | newsense: i wish it would |
| 07:45.12 | nareshov | too |
| 07:45.16 | maligor | performance for 64bit and 32bit versions is pretty similar |
| 07:46.06 | aixenv | i cant find any documentation on how to automate the postfix install, anyone know if any? |
| 07:46.23 | maligor | newsense, it's not even in unstable yet |
| 07:46.23 | newsense | nareshov: i just got a video card that'll run it and i haven't run anything else besides debian in years so i guess i'll have to wait for kde4 |
| 07:46.39 | nareshov | cool |
| 07:46.44 | maligor | don't really need a fancy video card for kde4 :P |
| 07:46.59 | nareshov | i was figuring out why my laptop rises upto 87C :/ |
| 07:47.01 | newsense | maligor: i tried it on my old i810 |
| 07:47.06 | newsense | it ran like crap |
| 07:47.21 | maligor | personally I never use compositors anyway |
| 07:47.41 | maligor | I think they're mostly just darn annoying |
| 07:48.00 | nareshov | me too |
| 07:48.04 | nareshov | but vista was ok |
| 07:48.13 | nareshov | win7 better |
| 07:48.17 | newsense | i usually don't like compositors either but now i can run one |
| 07:48.21 | maligor | vista is one of the ones where it's annoying :P |
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| 07:48.31 | nareshov | o, lol |
| 07:48.54 | maligor | infact I haven't found a single one that I liked |
| 07:49.09 | aixenv | or possibly automating the "OK" prompt on dist-upgrade for new kernel |
| 07:49.15 | maligor | as for kde4.. it's pretty cool without compositors, still a bit buggy in places tho |
| 07:49.20 | aixenv | i tried -y --force-yes but that doesnt seem to work with "OK" |
| 07:50.32 | newsense | maligor: i have just started trying it out and the wobbly windows are fast and transparency is perfect but minimization is choppy, don't know if it's drivers, hardware, or kde4 |
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| 07:51.08 | maligor | window resize is cruddy too |
| 07:51.33 | newsense | yeah i don't know why myself |
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| 07:52.30 | newsense | i figure there's a few variables there, i'll have to look into some forums to see if it's an nvidia driver, kde4 issue, or just a hardware constraint |
| 07:52.41 | maligor | it's the same for ati drivers |
| 07:52.49 | maligor | probably a design issue somewhere |
| 07:53.23 | newsense | it's onboard 8200 too which isn't great but is better than my intel i810 i was working with |
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| 07:57.14 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 07:57.22 | gypsymauro | there is a way to install gnome 2.6 on lenny? |
| 07:57.27 | gypsymauro | gimp 2.6 sorry |
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| 07:57.54 | streuner_ | judd, versions gimp |
| 07:57.55 | judd | streuner_: gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4 etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4 lenny: 2.4.7-1 sid: 2.6.5-1 squeeze: 2.6.5-1 |
| 07:58.31 | streuner_ | gypsymauro: try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 07:59.34 | streuner_ | gypsymauro: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 08:10.49 | aixenv | does anyone know how to automate the "OK" prompt for a kernel? |
| 08:11.07 | aixenv | during 'apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:13.26 | enouf | echo 'y' | command? |
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| 08:15.04 | enouf | APT::NeverAutoRemove:: "^linux-image.*"; (heh) |
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| 08:15.30 | aixenv | its not a y tho it's a tab and hit enter on "OK" |
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| 08:20.15 | aixenv | a friend of mine suggested expect so ill look into that |
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| 08:28.16 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
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| 08:28.32 | dboehmer | when doing bigger installs apt-get asks for confirmation |
| 08:28.43 | dboehmer | i want this even for small installs |
| 08:29.12 | dboehmer | in its man page i didnt find such an option, only the opposite force-yes |
| 08:29.24 | dboehmer | how can i make apt-get ask before EVERY op? |
| 08:29.52 | dboehmer | in the past i had been using -s but this is pretty annoying if many packages are listed and takes some time |
| 08:29.55 | liable | it usually only does it when it pulls extra dependancies. i dont think you can make it ask for simple ones |
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| 08:30.10 | themill | dboehmer: use aptitiude instead and use the use the Aptitude::CmdLine::Always-Prompt configuration option or -P option. |
| 08:30.17 | sacky | hi |
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| 08:30.48 | dboehmer | themill: thx |
| 08:32.37 | sacky | i compiled a debian kernel and now i get a never ending "Wait for root filesystem". I created the kernel with make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image. Can anyone tell me what is wrong? |
| 08:32.51 | sacky | maybe missing ata drivers? |
| 08:33.23 | liable | !waiting for root filesystem |
| 08:33.24 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> <uuid> |
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| 08:33.56 | liable | is it a new kernel where that ^^ could be the case? |
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| 08:34.36 | liable | otherwise yes, could be missing driver, build an initrd and see if it boots |
| 08:34.39 | sacky | i did not change many things in the .config. I only patched my kernel for hdaps. I use kernel 2.6.26 |
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| 08:35.02 | liable | sacky: see --initrd option to make-kpkg |
| 08:35.16 | sacky | that was what i used |
| 08:36.07 | liable | recheck what you changed in your config then |
| 08:36.12 | sacky | yesterday i build the initramfs after installing the kernel, that worked. But I had problems with active protection so i compiled with hdaps as modul again |
| 08:36.42 | sacky | root=/dev/sda2 |
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| 08:38.01 | sacky | can i update my initrd? Would that help or should i see for the options in .config and build my kernel again? |
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| 08:38.56 | dragonheart | mkinitrd? |
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| 08:39.16 | enouf | no |
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| 08:39.40 | enouf | update-initramfs |
| 08:40.08 | liable | can it do non-running initrds? i cant be arsed reading the man page |
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| 08:40.29 | enouf | what? |
| 08:40.33 | sacky | that's the question. I have to update the initrd for a non running kernel |
| 08:40.42 | enouf | so what |
| 08:40.55 | enouf | see -u -k |
| 08:40.57 | sacky | ok, i will have a try |
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| 08:42.01 | sacky | fine, it works. I will now restart my laptop |
| 08:42.27 | enouf | it's kind of important you made corrective changes |
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| 08:47.30 | ebilpanda | does anyone have any experience with the win32-loader debian installer for windows(from goodbye-microsoft.com)? |
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| 08:49.08 | sacky | ok last step did not work. I like to compile a new kernel now. |
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| 08:49.53 | sacky | i need to know my ata controller type. i have a ibm thinkpad t61. Maybe some intel modules |
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| 08:50.51 | enouf | sacky: lspci -nn and ##ibmthinkpad |
| 08:50.56 | liable | piix and ahci |
| 08:51.22 | sacky | ah, thanks |
| 08:51.34 | liable | libata and friends |
| 08:51.34 | sacky | \join ##ibmthinkpad |
| 08:51.45 | enouf | sacky: just add those to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ; update-initramfs |
| 08:52.00 | sacky | ok |
| 08:53.00 | asulao | hello all. I need to set up two mysql servers using debian, and have them work synchronized like if they would have the same database data, and be able to do sql queries on either and have these affect the results and data of the other. Is this possible? |
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| 08:53.30 | jaggz | debian doesn't seem to carry gimp 2.6 .. although they claim it's a stable version |
| 08:53.54 | enouf | if you have a hda vs sda issue, use root=UUID= in grub and UUID= in /etc/fstab |
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| 08:54.07 | dragonheart | asulao: not unless there's some very odd database tiggers (unlikely) |
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| 08:54.32 | anewbie | guys can some one tell me how to disable services like microsoft-ds netbios ..etc... |
| 08:54.43 | anewbie | i dont have nothing in my inetd.conf there are 3 lines |
| 08:54.51 | asulao | dragonheart, replication or clustering would do the job? Don't have experience with these two options. |
| 08:54.54 | anewbie | and no one of them is for microsof-ds for exemple |
| 08:54.56 | enouf | sacky: oh ,and your kernel sources are debians? |
| 08:55.27 | anewbie | i feal vulnereble with so many open ports |
| 08:55.28 | anewbie | ... |
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| 08:55.36 | dragonheart | asulao: they are fairly different - read up on them some more to see what suits you |
| 08:55.45 | jaggz | bleh |
| 08:56.07 | liable | anewbie: that would be samba |
| 08:56.07 | enouf | anewbie: rcconf |
| 08:56.13 | asulao | dragonheart, I have but I get rather lost, that's why I wanted to ask, to see the opinion of someone with maybe some exp on it. |
| 08:56.15 | enouf | anewbie: just stop the shit |
| 08:56.37 | ppc_guy | Hey ya gents.. Have a Compaq proliant ML350 server here. Dual 1ghz P3's I can see both, but only one is carrying the load. Thought I sorted SMP out on install, What should I do from here? Debian Lenny btw.. thanks |
| 08:56.51 | anewbie | mhmm i have here one book for unix based systems and there i read that i must edit inetd.conf |
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| 08:56.59 | anewbie | but it seems in lenny this is not enugh |
| 08:57.01 | enouf | ppc_guy: replace your -486 with a -686 |
| 08:57.08 | dragonheart | asulao: probably try a mysql question - its not my great strength either |
| 08:57.14 | asulao | dragonheart, also, I don't come up to a conclusion if what I need is replication or clustering, and also I've read clustering doesn't work with debian? |
| 08:57.17 | dragonheart | mysql channel |
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| 08:57.44 | liable | anewbie: some services can be started from inetd or independantly, it might have its own init script |
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| 08:58.43 | anewbie | mhmm i see :) i must read for all the services that i want to stop first |
| 08:58.44 | anewbie | :D |
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| 08:59.49 | ppc_guy | It's my personal home server anyhow, so don't really need a lot of omph |
| 09:00.09 | enouf | ppc_guy: don't prv msg me please - no need |
| 09:00.22 | ppc_guy | nw |
| 09:00.23 | asulao | dragonheart, ok thanx |
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| 09:01.02 | dragonheart | asulao: with replication you can query from the slave and write to the master. there may be sync delays though in overload situtations |
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| 09:02.05 | enouf | ppc_guy: some other possible issues (if you already are using a -686) concern kernel apic, ioapic, lapic, acpi options perhaps |
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| 09:02.32 | asulao | dragonheart, that's what I undersoot by reading the docs, but I'd need the reverse to work too. write to slave and read from master, but also write to master and read from slave, and have this work. |
| 09:02.35 | enouf | but naturally, you never answered, so i can guess now |
| 09:04.12 | enouf | anewbie: /msg dpkg grounding ; /msg dpkg harden-doc |
| 09:04.15 | dragonheart | asulao: though cyclic may be possible I think you need to say your requirement for a more helpful answer |
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| 09:05.18 | asulao | dragonheart, yes, they're helping in mysql, it seems there's and option to do master-master replication on mysql |
| 09:05.29 | jaggz | what's "Build workshop" and "Build website" in gegl's ./configure? |
| 09:05.39 | asulao | dragonheart, one last thing, what's the support state of debian for mysql, concerning replication, clustering, etc? |
| 09:05.46 | anewbie | enouf, :) |
| 09:05.46 | anewbie | ok |
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| 09:06.24 | dragonheart | asulao: replication i thought was pretty standard. custtering - don;t know - never used either on debain |
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| 09:06.45 | DarkLioN | ÑÑÑа, аÑÑеÑÑ |
| 09:07.13 | DarkLioN | omg...sorry |
| 09:07.27 | Dimitq | exit |
| 09:07.34 | asulao | dragonheart, ok |
| 09:08.04 | ppc_guy | sorry had to go afk for a sec |
| 09:08.16 | DarkLioN | hi everyone. need help with sound on Lenny |
| 09:08.17 | ppc_guy | looked through the forums and the wiki, and still at a loss here |
| 09:08.40 | DarkLioN | anybody could help? |
| 09:09.00 | ppc_guy | might, system, sound card Dark |
| 09:09.53 | DarkLioN | Lenny, default install, sb Live 5.1. system - don't know..very old. it's on Celeron 800 >_< |
| 09:10.17 | DarkLioN | so...alsaconf founded it. everything looks ok, but.. |
| 09:10.19 | ppc_guy | hmm does the board have onboard sound? |
| 09:10.35 | DarkLioN | yes. but using live 5.1 |
| 09:10.51 | ppc_guy | and I will assume you disabled the onboard in bios? |
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| 09:11.00 | DarkLioN | hmm..can I paste here some output? |
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| 09:11.12 | ppc_guy | nope not a good idea |
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| 09:11.20 | DarkLioN | pastebin.ca maybe? |
| 09:11.27 | ppc_guy | but what is the main issue? No sound? Garbled? |
| 09:11.53 | DarkLioN | No sound and errors when trying to play smth by mocp in console |
| 09:12.04 | DarkLioN | 1sec plz |
| 09:12.17 | ppc_guy | nw, still looking for help on my issue.. lol |
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| 09:13.29 | DarkLioN | http://pastebin.ca/1353415 |
| 09:13.46 | lozan | DarkLioN: did you check the alsa mixer? |
| 09:13.48 | DarkLioN | ^ about mocp |
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| 09:14.09 | DarkLioN | yes. master and pcm channels are not mute and level is 71 |
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| 09:14.38 | ppc_guy | and you made sure pulseaudio is gone? |
| 09:14.41 | DarkLioN | as you can see on url - have a message trying to start mocp |
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| 09:14.59 | DarkLioN | ppc_guy: hm...nope. how can i do this? |
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| 09:15.42 | lozan | killall pulseaudio |
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| 09:15.48 | lozan | sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio |
| 09:15.58 | ppc_guy | lozan, thanks, beat me too it |
| 09:16.04 | lozan | sudo rm /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio |
| 09:16.12 | lozan | n/p :D |
| 09:16.15 | DarkLioN | pulseaudio is not installed |
| 09:16.26 | ppc_guy | on a learning curve here still with my server. Need to figure out RAID and SMP. ;) |
| 09:16.31 | rrob | i have debian etch instaled as guest in xenserver - i want dist-upgrade it but now im using xenserver repos - i think i must change it to lenny repos - does anybody have some link with infou about lenny reppos (keys) pls? |
| 09:17.15 | DarkLioN | rrob: debian.org mb? |
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| 09:17.39 | DarkLioN | ppc_guy: any other ideas? pulseaudio is not installed |
| 09:17.50 | lozan | thinking about it... |
| 09:18.07 | lozan | i don't think it's the problem, but sth with alsa |
| 09:18.14 | DarkLioN | it's strange, but.. in ArchLinux all was working fine without any problems. simple after alsaconf... |
| 09:18.17 | lozan | at least according to the logs |
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| 09:18.45 | DarkLioN | even a "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" gives me an error |
| 09:19.01 | lozan | well, not strange |
| 09:19.04 | DarkLioN | access denied |
| 09:19.13 | lozan | different distro, diff default configuration |
| 09:19.31 | lozan | well, try with sudo |
| 09:19.32 | DarkLioN | looks like smth blocking /dev/dsp... |
| 09:19.38 | DarkLioN | sudo too |
| 09:19.44 | lozan | :/ |
| 09:19.53 | enouf | flashcrap |
| 09:19.57 | lozan | how did you install alsa? |
| 09:20.58 | DarkLioN | sudo apt-get install alsa |
| 09:21.02 | lozan | did you install all of these: alsa-base, alsa-utils, alsa-tools, alsamixergui |
| 09:21.02 | ppc_guy | while we are mulling this one over. Lozan.. Do you know a good resource for configuring server raids with Lenny? I'm at my wits end here.. |
| 09:21.05 | DarkLioN | as usually |
| 09:21.06 | enouf | fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp |
| 09:21.24 | DarkLioN | fuser: command not found |
| 09:21.28 | enouf | lsof | egrep 'artsd|esd|flash' |
| 09:21.43 | lozan | ppc_guy: not really |
| 09:21.46 | enouf | alsa-oss |
| 09:22.01 | DarkLioN | enouf: nothing |
| 09:22.29 | enouf | where? |
| 09:22.37 | lozan | DarkLioN: did you also made: sudo alsaconf |
| 09:22.51 | lozan | DarkLioN: and sudo alsactl store |
| 09:22.57 | enouf | !installit |
| 09:22.57 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 09:23.34 | CaT[t3] | !goats |
| 09:23.34 | dpkg | i heard goats is this cool online comic at http://www.goats.com |
| 09:23.43 | enouf | and access denied isn't an error message to me |
| 09:24.09 | CaT[t3] | that had better not be a goatse site |
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| 09:24.22 | DarkLioN | lozan: yes |
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| 09:24.37 | ppc_guy | Maybe I should ask this another way.. Any Debian server Admin's around? |
| 09:24.47 | enouf | sudo won't do shit if it |
| 09:24.51 | enouf | sudo won't do shit if it's not setup |
| 09:24.55 | CaT[t3] | aactualy debian server admins or admins of servers that use debian? |
| 09:25.01 | enouf | or if it's not installed |
| 09:25.05 | enouf | !be root |
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| 09:25.33 | ppc_guy | Would think they are one in the same there CaT[t3] ;) |
| 09:26.02 | CaT[t3] | ppc: well... no. i'm an admin of servers that use debian but I do not admin debians servers :) |
| 09:26.35 | DarkLioN | thanks ppl, but I'll tried get help on #debian-russian. my english is too poor for ralking here w/o problems. thanks a lot anyway |
| 09:26.45 | ppc_guy | we can break it down to symantics if you want ;) I'm trying to figure out SMP here on my personal server, and running into walls..lol |
| 09:27.21 | CaT[t3] | what sort of walls? and have you considered breaking before hitting them? :) |
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| 09:28.08 | ppc_guy | well that would be best case ;) I see both, however only one is carrying the load and I see nothing for SMP.. From what I read this is something that has to be done on install. |
| 09:28.39 | ppc_guy | Really don't feel like reinstalling yet again, but is this possible to spin into the kernel with the install I have now? |
| 09:28.50 | enouf | how do you know only one cpu is carrying any load? |
| 09:29.07 | osfd | !nvidia |
| 09:29.07 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 09:29.42 | ppc_guy | via cli had no clue, grabbed Gnome libs, and via sys profile. CPU 2 is pinging 60+, CPU 1 nadda |
| 09:30.11 | enouf | sysprofile? wtf is that? |
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| 09:30.37 | ppc_guy | sorry Sys Monitor from within the Gnome WM |
| 09:30.37 | enouf | and its cpu0 and cpu1 |
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| 09:30.55 | ppc_guy | I know I know.. Wm on a server verboden, But I want this to work |
| 09:31.06 | enouf | so, blame gnome - use top/htop and other utils |
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| 09:32.02 | ppc_guy | disregard, had to tweak here.. Cpu issue looks to be fixed.. Now the other question before I piss of the collective.. RAID via software.. Tried it a few times with no luck |
| 09:32.06 | enouf | and actually, i 'm not answering anymore till i see cat /proc/version ; cat /proc/cmdline |
| 09:32.28 | ppc_guy | 4 Seagate baracudda 10,000 hot swap drives.. I can see 2 of the 4 |
| 09:32.38 | ppc_guy | past it here? |
| 09:32.44 | enouf | cpu issues don't just fix themselves |
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| 09:33.21 | ppc_guy | no tweaked some things with smb.. honestly wag |
| 09:33.24 | ppc_guy | d most of it |
| 09:33.35 | enouf | spanglishese? |
| 09:33.56 | enouf | osay ouyay ancay alsoway understandway isthay oo?tay |
| 09:34.02 | ppc_guy | nathan@memphis:~$ cat /proc/version |
| 09:34.02 | ppc_guy | Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-13) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 |
| 09:34.02 | ppc_guy | nathan@memphis:~$ |
| 09:34.26 | N123N | The installation seems to hang when i try to install to encrypted lvm. At the overwriting screen. Can I disable overwrite or something? |
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| 09:35.04 | ppc_guy | cmdline errors out |
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| 09:35.08 | aixenv | does anyone know how to send a tab with expect? |
| 09:35.20 | ppc_guy | but think I know why. More curious about the raid now |
| 09:35.52 | enouf | aixenv: either man ascii, or man console_codes ... |
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| 09:46.23 | Ace2017_- | When you create a tar archive is the md5sum of the file stored? |
| 09:46.51 | lord_rob | Hi ! How do I know which package, if any, a given file belongs to ? |
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| 09:47.19 | avu | lord_rob, dpkg -S |
| 09:47.26 | enouf | lord_rob: apt-file |
| 09:47.36 | lord_rob | thanks avu and enouf |
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| 09:48.09 | enouf | lord_rob: apt-file (for not yet installed pkgs) |
| 09:48.33 | blindy | Ive got mdadm raid 5 running, is it possible to get it to email my gmail account if anything happens? |
| 09:48.43 | enouf | lord_rob: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:49.11 | lord_rob | thanks again enouf |
| 09:49.23 | avu | blindy, smartd can do that |
| 09:49.33 | blindy | thanks will look it up |
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| 09:49.44 | enouf | blindy: that's a mail config issue - see also /etc/default/mdadm |
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| 09:49.45 | avu | blindy, although of course not everything that can go wrong will reliably be detected by smartd |
| 09:49.56 | blindy | mainly hdd failure |
| 09:50.05 | lord_rob | (in this case it's an installed package) |
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| 09:50.14 | avu | lord_rob, then use dpkg -S |
| 09:51.18 | enouf | avu: and lord_rob or dlocate ;-) |
| 09:51.42 | enouf | much faster |
| 09:51.49 | blindy | avu, do i need to stop the raid array before running tests or can it run while live? |
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| 09:52.51 | avu | blindy, smartd always runs and queries the drives via SMART periodically |
| 09:53.05 | avu | blindy, and of course you don't have to 'stop the raid' for that |
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| 09:55.11 | ktwilight | blindy, if you're running fsck, you'd need to umount the partition |
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| 09:58.08 | lord_rob | enouf: this is not really a problem, my problem is solved. I have the warnings with modprobe which expects the config files in /etc/modprobe.d ending with .conf and I think I had made a local script. And I am right. dpkg -S proved me right. I suppose the other scripts will be renamed to .conf by their maintainers so I'd better not modify them by hand |
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| 09:58.26 | alex____ | i have a RME HDSP9652. i have set a start script that launches jackd and a bunch of audio device that I need. Quite often I need to restart jackd and thus all the other device because jack chose the wrong i/o device. It seems that when my computer starts my sound card is affected either to hw:0 or hw:1 which is my native sound card. Is there a way to fix this, so that each time I start my computer hw:0 is always my RME card ? |
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| 10:01.03 | blindy | regarding smartd: This option also requires a working email setup. Most Linux distributions automatically have working outbound email. |
| 10:01.08 | blindy | do i need to set anything up? |
| 10:01.24 | synaptic | Anyone know a good log file -> rss feed script/program? |
| 10:02.16 | enouf | lord_rob: all files in /etc/modprobe.d/ shall be honored/processed by modprobe, no matter what their filename is; so long as no /etc/modules.conf, nor /etc/modprobe.conf exists |
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| 10:03.40 | alex____ | ok I rephrase: is there a way to order the afectation of hw:0,hw:1 hw:2 etc... to a chosen device so that device has always hw:0 affected toher |
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| 10:04.21 | bartvk | Hey, I want to set bashrc settings systemwide; isn't there some /etc/bashrc.d/ directory? |
| 10:05.43 | cygnus | ye /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 10:07.25 | bartvk | cygnus that's not a good idea since that'll be overwritten upon the next update |
| 10:07.40 | cygnus | dunno |
| 10:07.44 | cygnus | i goign ot bed good luck |
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| 10:08.13 | ShishKabab | Hi. I have a low-power Debian Etch fileserver. The hard disk automatically shut down when not used. It keeps making noise when not used, however (probably the fan on the back). How can I automatically turn down the speed (or turn off) the fans when the system is idle? |
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| 10:10.16 | enouf | alex____: likely use a ~/.asoundrc file |
| 10:12.11 | alex____ | ah ok |
| 10:12.24 | alex____ | what should I put inside ? |
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| 10:12.48 | enouf | http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc |
| 10:13.21 | bholst | Hi, does anybody know about the debian-edu/skolelinux irc channel? |
| 10:13.27 | alex____ | ah yes, bt it is alsa |
| 10:14.19 | enouf | !listvals debian-edu |
| 10:14.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'debian-edu' by value returned no results. |
| 10:14.33 | enouf | !listvals skole |
| 10:14.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'skole' by value (2): skolelinux ;; debianedu. |
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| 10:14.49 | enouf | !debianedu |
| 10:14.49 | dpkg | i heard debianedu is a project that aims to provide a free software distribution that is tailored for educational scenarios such as in the class room, in the staff room and in the administration office. See http://www.skolelinux.org/ and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu |
| 10:15.09 | bholst | hm |
| 10:15.17 | jaxZ | goofy question for you guys, i deserve to be made fun of, i know it |
| 10:15.21 | jaxZ | anyways |
| 10:15.38 | jaxZ | i accidentally brought up a prompt to set a password for something |
| 10:15.46 | jaxZ | in the bash |
| 10:16.03 | jaxZ | tried to control -c or ^C out of it |
| 10:16.08 | jaxZ | to exit |
| 10:16.24 | bholst | thanks, found it |
| 10:16.25 | blindy | does /dev/sda map to my sata port 0? |
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| 10:16.36 | jaxZ | and it set my password (it displayed only being set) |
| 10:16.50 | jaxZ | to a solid circle then the heart symbol |
| 10:16.58 | Guerin | !htfswk blindy |
| 10:16.58 | dpkg | blindy: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 10:17.06 | jaxZ | i've tried entering the sstupid ascii codes |
| 10:17.18 | jaxZ | tried typing in verbatim what i did before |
| 10:17.21 | jaxZ | nothing works |
| 10:17.49 | blindy | well how do i find out? |
| 10:18.43 | jaxZ | any suggestions on how to enter in those symbols inside the bash? |
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| 10:19.06 | jaxZ | password was to lock the hard drive, for an xbox |
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| 10:19.26 | fireba11 | jaxZ: and it didn't ask for confirmation? |
| 10:19.34 | jaxZ | i'm about to RMA it and let seagate have fun with this little puzzle unless someone has a bright idea |
| 10:19.38 | jaxZ | unfortunately not |
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| 10:19.49 | jaxZ | which is lame |
| 10:20.10 | jaxZ | i'm seeing more and more double prompts for password authentication these days which is ass backwards |
| 10:20.16 | valdyn | jaxZ: that password could contain invisible characters too |
| 10:21.03 | jaxZ | yeah i believe i typed control-c, maybe backspace, then enter |
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| 10:22.14 | jaxZ | tried all the usual tricks too, i don't completely understand the nature of this locking mechanism... |
| 10:22.18 | peterm | hi |
| 10:22.31 | peterm | does somebody have experience with commercial lighttpd support? |
| 10:22.37 | jaxZ | its what the xbox uses to "protect" its hard drive |
| 10:22.38 | Zesturian | I must be missing something in the man page, but how does one tar a file without including the parent directory please? |
| 10:22.41 | peterm | or does somebody of you provide commercial lighttpd support? |
| 10:22.45 | valdyn | jaxZ: its on the disk |
| 10:22.56 | jaxZ | but i've tried the usual tricks, seatools zerofill, gparted, acronis |
| 10:23.05 | valdyn | jaxZ: uh, maybe its just what every disk has nowadays |
| 10:23.08 | jaxZ | seatools was the only thing that even saw the disk |
| 10:23.26 | jaxZ | well its a PATA drive |
| 10:23.39 | jaxZ | nothing all that new |
| 10:24.08 | jaxZ | tried disabling the channel in the bios, b/c i know sometimes linux can still see the disk |
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| 10:24.14 | jaxZ | same result |
| 10:24.21 | osfd | Hi, where is the plugins directory for iceweasel ?? I can't find it |
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| 10:25.01 | jaxZ | osfd its gonna be in your home folder under a hidden directory |
| 10:25.04 | jaxZ | starting with a period |
| 10:25.13 | valdyn | jaxZ: http://www.hdd-tools.com/products/rrs/ |
| 10:25.59 | osfd | jaxZ: I would have said a dot since we're talking about computer stuffs, but thank you ;) |
| 10:26.44 | jaxZ | no prob |
| 10:27.29 | jaxZ | valdyn, thanks, hdd unlock wizard may be worth a shot then? |
| 10:27.33 | osfd | I can't find it in my home dir either |
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| 10:27.59 | valdyn | jaxZ: i have no idea, im surprised theres a tool doing this other than bruteforcing the password |
| 10:28.11 | lozan | does anyone know why i can not see a skype profile details on debian lenny, even though i can on ubuntu 8.10? |
| 10:28.19 | osfd | !iceweasel |
| 10:28.20 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 10:29.16 | jaxZ | doesn't sound much better than a brute force tool: |
| 10:29.21 | jaxZ | "DD Unlock Wizard incorporates proprietary unlocking algorithms which allow to remove an unknown HDD password and make hard drive usable again. " |
| 10:29.55 | valdyn | osfd: ~/.firefox/plugins ? |
| 10:30.25 | jaxZ | well maybe given that i entered only a hanful of keystrokes, it could go quickly |
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| 10:30.39 | themill | lozan: you'd have to ask them. (works for me) |
| 10:30.42 | osfd | valdyn: no... O_o |
| 10:31.03 | jaxZ | osfd as root do a "find / -name *plugins* " |
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| 10:31.27 | jaxZ | i'm not sure, but that directory may not be created until you install your first plugin |
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| 10:32.01 | jaxZ | and most likely, knowing ff, you're going to have to delve into a profile directory before hitting the plugin directory |
| 10:33.07 | valdyn | osfd: that directory works. |
| 10:33.22 | blindy | im trying to forward emails directed to root to my hotmail account, ive edited /etc/aliases, is that all i have to do? |
| 10:33.41 | valdyn | blindy: /etc/aliases cant forward to remote |
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| 10:34.07 | osfd | jaxZ: you're probably right, but I have some plugins installed already (mplayer) |
| 10:34.14 | osfd | valdyn: It's searching.. |
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| 10:34.48 | valdyn | blindy: you can edit ~/.forward |
| 10:34.57 | lozan | themill: what version of skype do you use? |
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| 10:36.17 | jaxZ | ok, osfd also, what are you using? gnome / kde ? |
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| 10:36.58 | osfd | valdyn: maybe you can help me (please) in a different way...In fact, I can't read youtube video and I guess it comes from (evil) flash... |
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| 10:37.07 | osfd | jaxZ: kde3.5 |
| 10:37.08 | themill | lozan: 2.0.0.72-1 (from their "stable" apt repo) |
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| 10:38.38 | jaxZ | osfd try looking in /usr/lib/iceweasel/ and see if the plugins directory lives there |
| 10:38.47 | lozan | themill: thanks, i just realized it might be because i use fluxbox :/ |
| 10:39.17 | osfd | jaxZ: that was my first guess and nothing there..! |
| 10:39.34 | osfd | I (aptitude) installed flashplayer-mozilla and nothing |
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| 10:40.14 | jaxZ | osfd also in iceweasel |
| 10:40.19 | jaxZ | browse to about:config |
| 10:40.25 | jaxZ | filter plugin |
| 10:40.57 | jaxZ | see if you can find a directory listed under anything that comes up |
| 10:41.20 | jaxZ | about:plugins may yield some info too, but i don't think it will tell you paths |
| 10:42.15 | osfd | jaxZ: nothing :( |
| 10:43.14 | jaxZ | hmm |
| 10:43.32 | jaxZ | from what i've seen, go to your home directory |
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| 10:43.55 | jaxZ | cd /home/[user name]/ |
| 10:44.01 | jaxZ | do an ls -la |
| 10:44.15 | jaxZ | see if there is .mozilla .firefox or .iceweasel directory |
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| 10:47.00 | osfd | jaxZ: unfortunately, I have to go....thank you anyway... |
| 10:47.11 | jaxZ | no prob, good luck |
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| 10:49.27 | jaxZ | well my only trouble now seems to be getting a windows xp platform to run this hdd unlock wizard |
| 10:49.39 | jaxZ | hmm, almost not worth it |
| 10:49.41 | jaxZ | lol |
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| 10:52.03 | khaije1 | or pulseaudio -k |
| 10:52.15 | khaije1 | er nm |
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| 11:00.33 | aixenv | well i went about this postfix automation a dif way, i added it to the preseed |
| 11:00.36 | jaxZ | so given that i'm not going to purchase a true hardware raid controller, for a debian box with 4 1.5TB sata drives, any suggestions on my best options for a raid-10 nas (i've got an ich10r sata controller), though i've heard with the speed of cpus these days, software raid beats out fakeraid and even true raid |
| 11:00.47 | aixenv | anyone happen to know what the preseed option is for 'mail name' ? it's still prompting for that during install |
| 11:01.30 | aixenv | ill try postfix postfix/mail_name string mail.foobar.com |
| 11:01.45 | jaxZ | i've got a core 2 quad 2.6ghz and 8GB ram, too many options it seems for nas these days |
| 11:01.51 | jaxZ | i can't decide whats best |
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| 11:02.45 | eroticon | my /etc/debian_version shows 5.0 |
| 11:02.52 | blindy | valdyn, i do now have a .forward, what does it look like?/j #exim |
| 11:02.56 | blindy | oops |
| 11:03.07 | eroticon | my sources lists has 3 "stable" entries... |
| 11:03.27 | eroticon | but when i run apt-get dist-upgrade it says |
| 11:03.27 | eroticon | 282 upgraded, 81 newly installed, 7 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 11:03.28 | eroticon | 1 not fully installed or removed. |
| 11:03.28 | eroticon | Need to get 219MB of archives. |
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| 11:03.36 | eroticon | what is it going to be after dist-upgrade? |
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| 11:04.50 | jaxZ | probably just a diff build of the kernel |
| 11:04.58 | themill | eroticon: chances are you have a mixed etch/lenny system at present. |
| 11:05.08 | jaxZ | and more of a mess on your grub menu |
| 11:05.17 | eroticon | should i apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 11:05.30 | eroticon | themill: how do i find wether its a mix of etch and lenny? |
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| 11:05.53 | themill | was this originally an etch installation? |
| 11:06.45 | eroticon | it was a 4.0r4 fresh install |
| 11:06.46 | eroticon | originally. |
| 11:06.53 | themill | eroticon: you should read the release notes and follow the correct upgrade procedure. /msg dpkg etch->lenny ; /msg dpkg stable sources.list ; /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 11:14.37 | aixenv | damn that didnt work |
| 11:15.11 | blindy | i cant forward local mail to my hotmail using gmail smtp, http://pastebin.com/m7fb99347 , anybody got any ideas? |
| 11:15.13 | aixenv | maybe its 'postfix postfix/fqdn string blahblah' |
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| 11:16.56 | Izamael | I try to compile a latex type document but when I type 'latex' -- I get command not found, I used apt-cache search and found latex-make -- is this the package I'm missing? |
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| 11:17.16 | aixenv | ahh looks like it's mailname |
| 11:17.17 | aixenv | heh |
| 11:17.22 | Guerin | Izamael: install the texlive-* packages |
| 11:17.31 | Guerin | Izamael: there are many of them. |
| 11:18.05 | Izamael | Guerin: ty I'll look through them |
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| 11:20.31 | eroticon | lenny is the latest release right |
| 11:20.39 | eroticon | i mean, my sources.list should be lenny rather than stable? |
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| 11:21.59 | ChrisW | 'ello, trying to see what's floating over a network for a customer... running tcpdump outputs nothing, even when I "do stuff" that I *know* is using the machines network interface... what am I doing wrong? |
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| 11:23.07 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:26.57 | tomodachi | ChrisW: dumping from the wrong interface? |
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| 11:28.05 | aixenv | woot got it |
| 11:28.06 | solars | hey, I noticed that I can now configure wpa directly in my interfaces file (wpa-driver.. etc) however there is no documentation about those keywords in man interfaces - can anyone give me a hint about this? |
| 11:28.07 | aixenv | mailname worked |
| 11:28.46 | ChrisW | tomodachi: yep, that was it |
| 11:28.52 | J_P | I'm using usb-serial converter, and are there similiar to usb like as setserial to serial ? |
| 11:28.59 | ChrisW | -i should be 'any' by default :-P ;-) |
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| 11:29.23 | tomodachi | J_P: a usb-serial device |
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| 11:36.24 | vigo | Install went flawless and easy, this system looks promising. I want to know if I need or it is recommended to get a firewall? |
| 11:36.49 | liable | generally not |
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| 11:37.06 | vigo | Thank you |
| 11:37.50 | vigo | Going to grab the packages I did not get on the net install, have fun |
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| 12:03.01 | mrfree | hi all |
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| 12:03.16 | mrfree | I noticed logrotate doesn't rotate log files |
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| 12:03.30 | mrfree | running it in verbose mode I receive... |
| 12:03.31 | mrfree | rotating pattern: /var/log/syslog after 1 days (7 rotations) |
| 12:03.31 | mrfree | empty log files are rotated, old logs are removed |
| 12:03.32 | mrfree | considering log /var/log/syslog |
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| 12:04.47 | mrfree | http://paste.debian.net/29807/ |
| 12:05.12 | mrfree | I tryed to remove /var/lib/logrotate/status but it doesn't work |
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| 12:22.20 | StarkD | I want English user interface with regular ISO date and time (Swedish). It doesn't help to add LC_TIME="sv_SE.UTF-8" to ~/.profile or /etc/default/locale. How do I fix this? |
| 12:23.53 | tomodachi | StarkD: isnt tzconfig enough to set the time and region correctly? |
| 12:24.10 | tomodachi | assuming that you already have a language interface configured |
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| 12:24.33 | StarkD | tomodachi: I don't know. I'll give it a try |
| 12:24.52 | StarkD | tomodachi: nope, didn't help |
| 12:25.07 | tomodachi | StarkD: maybe need to logout/login? |
| 12:26.05 | StarkD | tomodachi: I've chosen Swedish time zone when installing the system. date and time arn't apperntly not configured after that |
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| 12:26.45 | StarkD | hm "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." |
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| 12:27.24 | jelly | !tell StarkD -about locales |
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| 12:28.04 | StarkD | thanks I'll give it a go |
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| 12:32.49 | saintiss | hi all |
| 12:32.58 | saintiss | when I ssh into a freebsd machine (bash) from a debian machine (bash), and then open vim, my backspace and arrow keys don't work properly |
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| 12:34.43 | StarkD | tomodachi jelly: the thing is that I want en_US.UTF-8 combined with ISO dates. dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't include that |
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| 12:35.09 | StarkD | or does it? Have I missed something? |
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| 12:39.17 | Trewas | StarkD: en_DK might be close enough to get english language with sane date etc formats... I have set in /etc/environment LANG and LANGUAGE to en_US and all the rest of LC_* variables to fi_FI.ISO-8859-15@euro |
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| 12:40.03 | Trewas | well, LC_MESSAGES to en_US too |
| 12:41.48 | T-One | anyone an idea how to start/stop a programm when the screensaver starts/stop? |
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| 12:43.44 | StarkD | Trewas: ok you just write the lines as you want them and reboot? for me the file is empty. an alternative "en_SE.utf8" would solve the problem :) I think this is a very common setup in Sweden |
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| 12:46.31 | Trewas | StarkD: it's annoying that there is no english language locales with otherwise localized date, papersize, etc formats... it can be worked around, but no distro installer offers setting language and those formats separately, even windows has been able to do that since at least win95 ffs |
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| 12:49.05 | StarkD | Trewas: yep I agree. I just save the file and reboot? |
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| 12:51.03 | Trewas | StarkD: you might want to test logging in from a virtual terminal to test that logging in still works with the modified file (I don't know how tolerant it is in case the format is wrong) |
| 12:51.19 | StarkD | Trewas: ok thanks |
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| 12:53.03 | StarkD | Trewas: with virtual terminal you mean Ctrl+Alt+F6? the date format looks the same when I run "date" |
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| 12:58.14 | Trewas | StarkD: yes, http://pastebin.ca/1353500 that's my /etc/environment and it works |
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| 13:06.58 | StarkD | Trewas: I generated sv_SE.utf8 and changed /etc/enviroment. it looks fine type I run "locale" and no errors but dates are still in american style using ls -l or GNOME date applet. did I miss something? |
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| 13:10.03 | StarkD | hm "locale -k LC_TIME" shows that american style is used also for ISO (Swedish) settings. where do I change this then? |
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| 13:10.30 | Trewas | StarkD: hrm maybe it needs rebooting to read that again (maybe only logging in again is not enough), or did you already do that? |
| 13:10.37 | Zvpun | how can I determine the X driver that is in use at the moment? |
| 13:10.49 | StarkD | Trewas: I just rebooted... |
| 13:10.50 | Trewas | running "locale" shows for me whatever is set in /etc/environment |
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| 13:12.07 | StarkD | that looks good for me as well. what does "locale -k LC_TIME" show you? |
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| 13:13.58 | Trewas | looks like what it should be for the finnish locale |
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| 13:21.24 | StarkD | echo $LC_TIME |
| 13:21.33 | StarkD | shows sv_SE.UTF-8 |
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| 13:27.28 | paxcoder | can anyone identify the source of this problem i'm now having (squeeze/sid): I click on the update notifier and input my root pass, it checks out, and the program doesn't start. (i have to apt-get update from shell instead). any ideas? |
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| 13:29.38 | Zvpun | how can I determine the X driver that is in use at the moment? |
| 13:29.53 | stew | Zvpun: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:30.46 | Zvpun | aptitude hold xerver-xorg-video-intel; # Where can I see now, that it is on hold? (Assume I want to check in two weeks what packages are on hold) |
| 13:30.50 | paxcoder | can anyone at lest give me the name of the update notifier, so i can start it from the shell to see if there are any useful info on sderr? |
| 13:31.25 | simonrvn | update-manager IIRC |
| 13:31.35 | Zvpun | paxcoder: dpkg -L update-notifier |
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| 13:32.25 | paxcoder | Zvpun: thx |
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| 13:32.55 | stew | Zvpun: "aptitude search xerver-xorg-video-intel" would show an h in the first column |
| 13:33.11 | hark | Zvpun: aptitude search '~U' should show it as well |
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| 13:33.36 | Zvpun | what's that reason that aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-intel doesnt show it? |
| 13:33.54 | Zvpun | stew: thanks btw for all your help! |
| 13:34.06 | stew | Zvpun: you're welcome :) |
| 13:34.55 | StarkD | Trewas: I missed something. doesn't help if I choose fi_FI.utf8 either. thanks for the help |
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| 13:36.22 | Izamael | exit |
| 13:36.28 | Izamael | exit |
| 13:36.31 | Izamael | ops |
| 13:36.34 | Izamael | lol =) |
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| 13:39.22 | KillerKlownFromS | hi there |
| 13:39.25 | simonrvn | 3rd grade math you wouldn't be doing negative numbers... |
| 13:39.30 | Trewas | StarkD: do you have all the required locales generated (in dpkg-reconfigure locales)? |
| 13:39.44 | simonrvn | at least not when i went to school |
| 13:39.46 | hark | ^~ahold^~U might be better |
| 13:40.14 | hark | er, ^~U^~ahold |
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| 13:42.21 | KillerKlownFromS | i'm trying to install a debian the USB way (on a asus L5800C with a dead cd-drive)The bios only dispose of USB-FDD...so when i try with a bootable USB key it don't works;someone 's got an idea?? |
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| 13:44.01 | tomodachi | KillerKlownFromS: tftpboot |
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| 13:44.55 | KillerKlownFromS | tomodachi: i go check it thanks |
| 13:45.18 | tomodachi | np |
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| 13:47.00 | StarkD | Trewas: yep |
| 13:48.08 | KillerKlownFromS | tomodachi: reaadin the first lines of the debian install guide, it seems that it's needed to be able to write on the asus;;;but there are no OS on the laptop, so ican't write theinfo for the bootp |
| 13:48.53 | Trewas | StarkD: sorry, no more ideas then... |
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| 14:06.56 | Worf | can one recommend a app for generating statistics of cups print jobs? |
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| 14:09.42 | nachox | guys is anyone using the latest debian stable? i'm having problems with tab completion when using /bin/sh ? |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | statistics? |
| 14:09.52 | abrotman | nachox: where does /bin/sh point? |
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| 14:10.02 | nachox | bash |
| 14:10.15 | abrotman | is the bash-completion package installed? |
| 14:10.32 | StarkD | Trewas: no worries thanks |
| 14:10.56 | nachox | abrotman, if i run bash and then try to use tab it works properly |
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| 14:12.14 | nachox | bash-completion is already installed |
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| 14:13.07 | abrotman | nachox: and you're sure /bin/sh points to /bin/bash ? |
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| 14:13.33 | nachox | yes, i am |
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| 14:13.48 | nachox | can you run /bin/sh and test whether it works for you or not? |
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| 14:14.13 | abrotman | which tab completion? on commands or filenames? |
| 14:14.33 | gog | it's essentially the same kind of tab completion |
| 14:14.39 | nachox | anything |
| 14:14.48 | abrotman | i know .. but i'm asking the person for clarification |
| 14:15.02 | gog | oh okay |
| 14:15.10 | abrotman | nachox: both work fine here .. on a lenny i386 box |
| 14:15.48 | nachox | $ ls -sh: <( compgen -d -- '' ): No such file or directory |
| 14:15.48 | nachox | -sh: <( compgen -f -X -- '' ): No such file or directory |
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| 14:16.13 | nachox | i pressed tab after writing ls |
| 14:16.14 | themill | compgen is a shell builtin |
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| 14:19.49 | KillerKlownFromS | I did a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1....normal it takes so much times? |
| 14:19.50 | KillerKlownFromS | + |
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| 14:20.51 | nachox | i'll just switch to bash... |
| 14:21.24 | hark | nachox: see bugs.debian.org/498474 |
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| 14:25.14 | firefox | what, in general, is the best torrent app? |
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| 14:26.31 | KillerKlownFromS | firefox: there's no best app, only favorite one |
| 14:26.39 | firefox | what is the favorit aha |
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| 14:27.26 | craigevil | rtorrent, ktorrent, deluge |
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| 14:27.33 | firefox | KillerKlownFromS: I mean... the only feature I want that isnt in utorrent is the ability to move the files with the torent. |
| 14:27.36 | ringo999 | what is a good practive to securly deplay an app using ant? the scp task with key authentication requires to write the passphrase in the build file, not very secure. Using keys with empty passphrase also not really secure... Any recommendation? |
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| 14:28.17 | firefox | craigevil: ty, checked out ktorr but not the others.. didnt like ktorr. will check out the other |
| 14:28.23 | KillerKlownFromS | firefox: i'll be no help on that topic..dorry |
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| 14:28.37 | r33 | hey guys, is there an easy ways to stop a lib from being updated |
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| 14:28.58 | craigevil | firefox: i love kde, ktorrent works just fine for me |
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| 14:29.49 | xoz | craigevil: transmission |
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| 14:31.12 | firefox | craigevil: KDE fan myself. ktorr does everythinging I need, I guess I jsut wanted a pretty one with more bells and whistles haha |
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| 14:31.29 | firefox | xoz: added to the lost of check outs |
| 14:32.11 | xoz | firefox: or try torrentflux |
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| 14:33.06 | AndrewMohawk | hi |
| 14:33.13 | firefox | xoz: craigevil Ty guys, I'll check them out. breakfast time now haha. |
| 14:33.58 | muddd | I thought mplayer came with mencoder but I dont have it and can't find it, what gives? |
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| 14:34.34 | hark | !mencoder |
| 14:34.35 | dpkg | i heard mencoder is available from the debian-multimedia.org repositories and is not in Debian itself. Ask me about <dmm>. For usage instructions, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and also http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html |
| 14:34.36 | AndrewMohawk | im creating a .deb file for a trivial repo that installs tomcat as well as apache and various other files for my webapp, unfortunately when i try start tomcat (startup.sh) within postinst it fails because the java JRE hasn't finished installing, is there a way i can force something to only run *after* the JRE has finished installing? |
| 14:34.41 | craigevil | installing mplayer should have pulled in mencode if not just install it using aptitude/apt |
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| 14:34.43 | muddd | ah ty |
| 14:35.01 | Witch-King | craigevil, check for all the jre files? |
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| 14:36.36 | KillerKlownFromS | witch-king: but how to be sure that the last file isn't half installed?? |
| 14:36.40 | theholyduck | muddd, use debian-multimedia.org though |
| 14:36.44 | nachox | hark, interesting, the suggested fix is to switch shells or hack a test :) |
| 14:36.48 | theholyduck | the mplayer/mencoder in debian |
| 14:36.50 | abrotman | AndrewMohawk: make the sun-java a preinst req ? |
| 14:36.51 | theholyduck | is outdated |
| 14:36.53 | theholyduck | and semi broken |
| 14:36.57 | muddd | ty theholyduck I am :) |
| 14:37.08 | AndrewMohawk | abrotman: will that install it as well? |
| 14:37.08 | theholyduck | though the one in d-m is quite outdated aswell |
| 14:37.17 | muddd | as long as it works :) |
| 14:37.21 | muddd | i'm sure it will |
| 14:37.29 | abrotman | AndrewMohawk: i believe so .. |
| 14:37.38 | themill | AndrewMohawk: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html Pre-Depends, but that's an ugly hack.... |
| 14:37.40 | AndrewMohawk | since i see when i do apt-get install <myapp> : Setting up sun-java6-jre (6-07-3ubuntu2) ... practically last |
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| 14:37.58 | AndrewMohawk | themill: thanks for the link, ill review, is there a better way to do it? |
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| 14:38.25 | AndrewMohawk | themill: that looks perfect, thanks! |
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| 14:38.35 | maligor | nice, midori in sid gives me 100/100 on acid 3 (it's not 'smooth' so not really full marks) |
| 14:38.43 | themill | AndrewMohawk: postinst should be enough though; read the entry on Depends. |
| 14:38.47 | craigevil | theholyduck: how is this outdated ? > mplayer: Installed: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090301-0.0 |
| 14:39.00 | theholyduck | craigevil, broken then :P |
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| 14:39.06 | themill | AndrewMohawk: err... ignore that last comment! |
| 14:39.11 | muddd | hot damn on a stick i love debian |
| 14:39.19 | AndrewMohawk | hehe, np |
| 14:39.20 | theholyduck | craigevil, anyways. debian-multimedia used to package 2008 |
| 14:39.21 | theholyduck | whatever |
| 14:39.22 | theholyduck | :P |
| 14:39.25 | theholyduck | like 2 days ago |
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| 14:39.40 | craigevil | i use sid :P |
| 14:39.54 | Rook- | hey folks - I have a question about installing latest sid from usb key... |
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| 14:40.02 | GKarr | Hi. For handling E-Mails on a GNU/Linux machine you need a mailserver, right? But why does Thunderbird on Linux not need a mailserver? But if you go for the console based mailclients then you have to setup a mailserver. Does Tunderbird have a mailserver builtin, or something? |
| 14:40.10 | theholyduck | craigevil, he updated the sid package just recently :P |
| 14:40.15 | theholyduck | it USED to be 2008 something |
| 14:40.21 | theholyduck | for sid |
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| 14:40.33 | craigevil | GKarr: no you dont need a mailserver to use thinderbird/icedove |
| 14:40.34 | theholyduck | august 2008 before that march the second update |
| 14:41.46 | GKarr | craigevil: But why do I need to have a mailserver configured and running just for procmail or similar console mailclient? |
| 14:42.07 | hampusw | GKarr: Thunderbird/Icedove has it's own implementation of the POP3 and IMAP protocol (used to fetch e-mails). |
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| 14:42.48 | GKarr | hampusw: And to send Mails, too. Not only fetching |
| 14:42.56 | GKarr | Right? |
| 14:43.00 | GKarr | o_O |
| 14:43.18 | darrh00 | /j #szlug |
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| 14:43.37 | hampusw | GKarr: forgot about that. Yes, of course. That's done with the SMTP protocol, though. |
| 14:44.49 | GKarr | hampusw: Okay, then we can say that Icedove has a mailserver in it. Because SMTP is the functionality of a mailserver, or not? o_O |
| 14:45.32 | themill | GKarr: no. It can only send by smtp whereas we would normally say a mail server needs to be able to receive by smtp. |
| 14:45.52 | GKarr | It is more than frustrating. I have all my work functions on my GNU/Linux machine but the only thing that is missing is this complicating E-Mail thingie. |
| 14:46.26 | GKarr | I just dont understand all those Exims and Postfixes |
| 14:46.36 | themill | GKarr: if you're using icedove on linux, then it's no more complicated to set up for handling your mail than thunderbird (or any other email client) was on other legacy operating systems. |
| 14:47.31 | hark | heh, legacy OS :) |
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| 14:47.55 | GKarr | themill: Yes, I know that. But I want to setup a very small machine with console based clients/applications. |
| 14:48.07 | lamalex | Im on lenny, to install a package from sid do i need to add sid to my sources or can i just say aptitude install foo/unstable |
| 14:48.34 | hampusw | GKarr: exim can be really hard getting to work =) In the end I just stick to Icedove myself. |
| 14:48.44 | themill | GKarr: aiui, mutt can talk to remove servers for pop/imap and smtp |
| 14:48.46 | GKarr | I can make anything but E-Mail on my console today. |
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| 14:48.56 | jpinx | postfix is easier;) |
| 14:49.25 | themill | "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" is all most people need... |
| 14:49.31 | GKarr | And then I tried to read about Sendmail but every forum entry says to get away from it |
| 14:49.47 | lamalex | i would google but im on a base install on my eee and im trying to avoid installing as much as possible |
| 14:49.53 | simonrvn | !mta comparison |
| 14:49.54 | dpkg | well, mta comparison is http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison |
| 14:49.56 | themill | GKarr: that's pretty good advice. You don't want to go there. |
| 14:50.03 | hampusw | lamalex: yes, you need to add sid to your sources. Otherwise apt(itude) won't know about it. |
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| 14:50.26 | jpinx | lamalex: try on #debian-eeepc@irc.debian.org |
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| 14:50.49 | lamalex | jpinx: well i dont have any eee specific questions, but ill remember that for if i do |
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| 14:51.05 | simonrvn | unless you *like* pain ;). or handy with m4 ;p |
| 14:51.07 | hampusw | lamalex: cool. I've also installed Debian on my eee (a 900). |
| 14:51.12 | jpinx | lamalex: what are you trying to install from sid ? |
| 14:51.23 | lamalex | hampusw: yeah ive got the same one |
| 14:51.27 | lamalex | jpinx: gnome-do |
| 14:51.36 | js_ | how can i create a reliable initrd? i know it must be possible since the debian installer has one. i need a custom kernel for realtime purposes, but i don't have console access to the machine, so i'm afraid it won't boot |
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| 14:51.37 | jpinx | has de bian on a 701 |
| 14:51.44 | lamalex | old school |
| 14:52.08 | hampusw | lamalex: ok. I'm running sid and it works great. |
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| 14:52.13 | jpinx | lamalex: I avoid all gnome bloat because I only uage 4GBs hdd |
| 14:52.24 | lamalex | jpinx: yeah but im a gnome-do developer |
| 14:52.27 | lamalex | :P |
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| 14:52.33 | jpinx | lamalex: cool:) |
| 14:52.51 | jpinx | make a slimmed down version and I'll look at it |
| 14:53.03 | lamalex | hard to slim down mono |
| 14:53.22 | lamalex | not that mono is obese |
| 14:53.25 | jpinx | lamalex: yea - pity - I like gnome, bt it's just too big |
| 14:53.28 | lamalex | but its pants are getting a little tight |
| 14:54.23 | lamalex | jpinx: yeah, i agree |
| 14:54.28 | petemc | 4 gig disks are hardly the standard now |
| 14:54.35 | jpinx | lamalex: lots of eeepc users with the bigger models use gnome |
| 14:55.00 | lamalex | which is why im trying to this piecemeal |
| 14:55.06 | jpinx | lamalex: your input would probably be appreciaed in #debian-eeepc |
| 14:55.29 | lamalex | sure ill hop over |
| 14:55.32 | hampusw | I run gnome on my eee. Have 16 GB total of space. Isn't that standard on the 900? |
| 14:55.41 | lamalex | hampusw: no way |
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| 14:56.16 | lamalex | dpkg: irc.debian.org isn't a freenode alias? |
| 14:56.17 | dpkg | lamalex: no idea |
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| 14:56.23 | craigevil | runs debian sid with lxde on my 701, total install with a few big apps like Ooo is only 1.4GB |
| 14:56.25 | lamalex | whoops |
| 14:56.28 | jpinx | lamalex: no |
| 14:56.33 | craigevil | lamalex: not its on oftc |
| 14:56.37 | lamalex | ah ha |
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| 14:57.11 | GKarr | Thank you all for your answers and help. I am off to reading this MTA-Comparison page. |
| 14:57.13 | hampusw | craigevil: cool. that's tiny! |
| 14:57.18 | GKarr | Bye. |
| 14:57.26 | hampusw | bye |
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| 14:58.06 | jpinx | has debian lenny with media players in under 1GB |
| 14:58.20 | craigevil | nice |
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| 14:58.37 | ajavid | well |
| 14:58.56 | ajavid | if they can get a live cd distro debian based plus tons of programs in 50mb then yeh |
| 14:59.03 | ajavid | 1gb is more than enough for a lot of stuff |
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| 14:59.10 | jpinx | though I am pushing the 1GB barrier if I install wine |
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| 14:59.17 | Rook- | hey folks - does usb net-installing of current sid work? My machine has no cdrom, but the install seems to be getting confounded looking for cdrom drivers... help? |
| 14:59.50 | jpinx | Rook-: does your machine support booting from the usb device? |
| 15:00.22 | Rook- | getting stuck at the "detect and mount cdrom" stage... |
| 15:00.27 | jpinx | Rook-: or are you already mid-way in the install? |
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| 15:00.33 | Rook- | yes |
| 15:00.37 | hampusw | Rook-: what kind of computer is it? |
| 15:00.52 | Rook- | ibm desktop |
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| 15:01.07 | Rook- | (old thinkcenter pc - p4) |
| 15:01.19 | jpinx | Rook-: you should be able to just skip that stage |
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| 15:01.42 | Rook- | when I say "no don't load drivers" |
| 15:01.46 | jpinx | Rook-: you might have to go back to the main menu of the installer |
| 15:01.53 | Rook- | oh? |
| 15:02.08 | Rook- | Im still in the bootstrap installer |
| 15:02.13 | hark | Rook-: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 15:02.16 | Rook- | (detecting net, cd, etc..) |
| 15:02.28 | Rook- | hark, sorry? |
| 15:02.36 | karlb | Is there a convenient way to install debian on a new computer without a monitor? |
| 15:02.39 | hampusw | Rook-: have you tried installing stable or unstable? |
| 15:02.42 | jpinx | !tell Rook- about usb install |
| 15:03.11 | Rook- | hampusw, no |
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| 15:03.36 | hampusw | Rook-: if that works you can just upgrade to sid later on. Give it a try if you have time. |
| 15:03.41 | jpinx | Rook-: probably easier to install stable and then move on from there |
| 15:03.48 | Rook- | ok, I'll try that |
| 15:03.51 | Rook- | thx |
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| 15:04.34 | jpinx | !tell karlb about remote install |
| 15:04.53 | darrh00 | /msg dpkg squeeze |
| 15:05.10 | xeross | i've read there are certain apps that use a sort of key for remote authentication |
| 15:05.16 | xeross | for example with svn. how would i set this up ? |
| 15:05.33 | karlb | Thanks jpinx! |
| 15:05.40 | jpinx | karlb: np |
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| 15:06.04 | jpinx | !thanks dpkg |
| 15:06.04 | dpkg | gern geschehen, jpinx |
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| 15:06.19 | jpinx | heh |
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| 15:07.58 | mikearthur | how would I use multiple make jobs on dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 15:08.58 | SliMM | will I be able to choose kde right from the start if I use the minimal installation cd? |
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| 15:11.39 | themill | dpkg: tell SliMM about install kde |
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| 15:15.45 | StarkD | Trewas: I chose en_DK.UTF8 as standard in "dpkg-reconfigure locales". That seems to solve the problem :) |
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| 15:21.39 | SliMM | what version of debian is available for lenny? |
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| 15:21.49 | lamalex | SliMM: what? |
| 15:21.54 | petemc | SliMM: lenny is 5.0 |
| 15:21.55 | lamalex | that question makes no sense |
| 15:22.27 | abrotman | maybe he meant which version of kde ? |
| 15:22.37 | gog | or perhaps gnome? |
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| 15:22.51 | lamalex | or any one of the million packages |
| 15:23.18 | abrotman | he can use packages.debian.org to find out |
| 15:24.04 | SliMM | sorry, lol, kde i meant, not debian |
| 15:24.20 | jelly | that'll be kde 3.5.10 |
| 15:24.42 | jelly | also known as "the working one" |
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| 15:24.55 | SliMM | what's wrong with kde 4.2? |
| 15:25.05 | abrotman | when lenny was frozen, kde4 wasn't stable |
| 15:25.12 | abrotman | still questionable about that ... |
| 15:25.15 | gog | kde4 won't be stable for awhile |
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| 15:25.28 | jelly | dpkg: listkeys awaysmite |
| 15:25.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'awaysmite' by key returned no results. |
| 15:25.44 | gog | they really jumped the shark on the 4.0 rollout because of the demand |
| 15:25.55 | craigevil | kde4 crashes, explodes and otherwise just sucks |
| 15:25.58 | SliMM | can I install a command line system and then install kde 4.2? |
| 15:26.01 | abrotman | or because they don't understand 'stability' :) |
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| 15:26.07 | abrotman | SliMM: ask #debian-kde about that |
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| 15:26.28 | gog | I don't think it has much to do with understanding stability as it does with how inflated their projections were |
| 15:26.28 | SliMM | damn it, i'm sick of gnome |
| 15:26.32 | jelly | abrotman: understanding and caring are different things, too |
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| 15:27.06 | gog | too much demand, not enough coders on the supply-side to get everything they wanted complete |
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| 15:28.34 | l0calh0s1 | GeHello |
| 15:28.43 | l0calh0s1 | Debian has default gtk colors? |
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| 15:30.55 | AndrewMohawk | thanks to whoever gave me the pre-depends command for my control file |
| 15:31.33 | AndrewMohawk | but i am still having issues with damn tomcat |
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| 15:31.41 | AndrewMohawk | something is stopping it after the postinst finishes |
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| 15:32.06 | AndrewMohawk | i see "2009/03/05 05:30:59 org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol pause" and "2009/03/05 05:31:01 org.apache.catalina.core.StandardService stop" in my catalina.out |
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| 15:33.50 | ewet | when does security support for testing beginn? will there be any announcement on debian-devel-announce? |
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| 15:34.42 | azeem | ewet: security support for testing is best-effort anyway, you shouldn't rely on it |
| 15:34.51 | azeem | but not sure whether there will be an announcement |
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| 15:34.55 | KimHansen | I have patched a .udeb, how do I the the installer to use it in a preseed file ? |
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| 15:35.20 | ewet | azeem: it's a desktop anyway |
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| 15:35.51 | stew | ewet: the original announcement said "weeks". (http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-security-announce/2008/12/msg00019.html) I'd expect another announcement on the same list |
| 15:35.53 | themill | ewet: given that they announced there would be no security support for squeeze for the time being on d-d-a, it will presumably announced on d-d-a again. Full security support isn't usually provided until a couple of months before release though... |
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| 15:37.00 | stew | lenny had full security support for its entire lifecycle, didn't it? |
| 15:38.17 | azeem | stew: not sure that was true in practise |
| 15:38.45 | azeem | most of it was done by making sure unstable fixes migrated ASAP |
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| 15:39.05 | azeem | but if that didn't happen, only a few direct uploads were made I thought |
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| 15:39.46 | ewet | themill, stew: oh so this was on debian-testing-security-announce because I didn't see that on d-d-a... wonder how many announcement list are there... |
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| 15:40.07 | themill | ewet: it was also on d-d-a |
| 15:41.25 | xeross | my initrd.img is world writeable is this normal ? |
| 15:41.26 | themill | stew: not "full". It was always best effort whereas I guess "full" is people promising to drop things to so something better than best effort. The testing-security people announced "full" security support some time in November-ish. |
| 15:42.00 | stew | ok |
| 15:42.05 | ewet | themill: oh I see - 24 Jan :) |
| 15:42.20 | stew | xeross: show us the output of "ls -l /path/to/initrd" |
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| 15:43.01 | stew | xeross: i'm guessing you are being confused by the permissions of a symlink that are really pointing to some other file which is not world writable |
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| 15:44.40 | themill | stew: there were a few times when some transition or other left vulnerable packages in lenny and there was no lenny/updates upload because either no-one cared or a fix in a few days was ok. (don't ask me for specifics, I can't remember now!) I guess "full" support also includes coordinated uploads on embargoed fixes -- for most of the lenny cycle the testing-security team didn't have access to embargoed information so they were backporting |
| 15:44.41 | themill | publically known fixes from unstable rather than getting the inside running. |
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| 15:46.09 | Selveste1 | Hey :) Im trying to install Lenny in Xen with debootstrap and when it reach a point where it says W: Failure trying to run: chroot /vserver/Xen/vm_base mount -t proc proc /proc so I tryed to do it by hand # chroot /vserver/Xen/vm_base and then I get this error "chroot: cannot run command '/bin/bash': Exec format error"? /bin/bash is there and with the correct rights any clue way this is ? |
| 15:46.26 | xeross | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2009-01-09 21:00 /initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 15:46.48 | xeross | my bad its world readable |
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| 15:46.54 | stew | xeross: right, so you should instead be looking at the permissions of boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 15:46.59 | xeross | k |
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| 15:47.15 | stew | Selveste1: is the partition containing /bin/bash mounted noexec? |
| 15:47.42 | Selveste1 | stew: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 677184 2006-12-11 22:20 /bin/bash |
| 15:47.50 | Selveste1 | all have +x on |
| 15:48.25 | Selveste1 | it is the system partition /bin/bash is on |
| 15:48.27 | stew | Selveste1: yes, i'm asking about the parition's mount options |
| 15:49.16 | stew | Selveste1: are you saying that /vserver/Xen/vm_base mount is the same partition as / ? |
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| 15:49.18 | \amethyst | Selveste1: what does file chroot/bin/bash say? |
| 15:49.26 | foetus | hello - i have written a shellscript called "debianize", for debianization of sourcecode with checkinstall and alien. it works well. i have pastet it in #flood. :) |
| 15:49.46 | stew | oh, exec format error, not operation not permitted |
| 15:49.51 | stew | Selveste1: listen to \amethyst |
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| 15:51.37 | Selveste1 | stew \amethyst: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 797784 2008-05-12 19:00 /vserver/Xen/vm_base/bin/bash is it this you mean ? |
| 15:52.04 | \amethyst | Selveste1: no, run the command 'file' on it |
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| 15:52.28 | Selveste1 | bash: vm_base/bin/bash: cannot execute binary file |
| 15:52.43 | \amethyst | Selveste1: type this file vm_base/bin/bash |
| 15:52.48 | \amethyst | Selveste1: the word 'file' is the name of the command |
| 15:52.51 | mischief6 | can anyone help me configure a USB audio device? alsaconf does not see it :s |
| 15:52.54 | stew | Selveste1: show us the output of "file /vserver/Xen/vm_base/bin/bash" |
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| 15:54.01 | xeross | Im connecting through svn+ssh but my client keeps complaining about no repo found, could this be because its a symbolic link / |
| 15:54.02 | xeross | ? |
| 15:54.03 | Selveste1 | Sorry im not following what you mean :S sorry |
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| 15:54.19 | \amethyst | Selveste1: type this, exactly, at the command line: file /vserver/Xen/vm_base/bin/bash |
| 15:54.23 | \amethyst | Selveste1: including the word 'file' |
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| 15:54.47 | scientes | why not migrate to lzma compression over gzip? |
| 15:54.57 | Selveste1 | \amethyst : # file /vserver/Xen/vm_base/bin/bash /vserver/Xen/vm_base/bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
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| 15:55.12 | nima0102 | hi |
| 15:55.20 | \amethyst | Selveste1: what does uname -r say? |
| 15:55.43 | Selveste1 | The host is a Debian 4.0r7 - 2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 15:55.52 | foetus | revision. |
| 15:56.01 | nima0102 | on debian, has squid been compiled with wccp flag, in order to support wccp ??? |
| 15:56.08 | \amethyst | Selveste1: you can't run 64-bit applications on a 32-bit kernel |
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| 15:56.39 | foetus | normally your kernel. |
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| 15:56.50 | Selveste1 | doh ^^ 2 sec, caus it is the same error when I use --arch i386 |
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| 15:57.35 | \amethyst | scientes: migrate to LZMA where? |
| 15:57.52 | scientes | doesnt debs use gzip? |
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| 15:58.15 | \amethyst | scientes: yes. lzma is much slower that gzip, for one thing |
| 15:58.23 | scientes | not for decompression |
| 15:58.24 | Selveste1 | yeps, now its a new one - W: Failure trying to run: chroot /vserver/Xen/vm_base dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_4_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.11_i386.deb |
| 15:58.32 | scientes | only compression which happens much less often |
| 15:58.42 | \amethyst | scientes: http://tukaani.org/lzma/benchmarks shows three times as long to decompress the kernel |
| 15:58.49 | scientes | ah |
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| 15:59.44 | jelly | thought data.tar.bz2 and control.tar.bz2 was also possible |
| 16:00.01 | scientes | but bzip is even slower |
| 16:00.28 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 16:00.28 | nacer | mmm |
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| 16:00.36 | \amethyst | it might make sense to use lzma instead of bzip2 |
| 16:00.37 | foetus | found out the debianize script? |
| 16:00.40 | scientes | decompression gzip 3s, bzip 40 sec, lzma 10 sec |
| 16:00.42 | nacer | i put a etch cd on my server and i finish with a lenny |
| 16:00.47 | nacer | it is normal ? |
| 16:00.51 | jelly | scientes: this brings us to the reason for the migration. _Why_ would one want to do it anyway? |
| 16:00.57 | scientes | and lzma has a better compression ratio than both the others |
| 16:01.06 | foetus | i must paste it later on the web. |
| 16:01.12 | scientes | less bandwidth |
| 16:01.17 | AndrewMohawk | anyone have any idea why postinst in a .deb on a trivial repo would end a process that it starts after completion ? (process is /etc/init.d/tomcat start) |
| 16:01.30 | scientes | suse and i think fedora is doing it |
| 16:01.36 | foetus | maybe its shreddered..:) |
| 16:01.38 | jelly | scientes: how much do you pay for bandwidth? |
| 16:01.43 | scientes | nothing |
| 16:01.44 | jimpy | Im having a problem mounting an external hard disk, dmesg is detecting the hard disk with 2 partitions and attaching it but when i run fdisk -l no partitions are showing up. |
| 16:01.49 | jelly | problem solved. |
| 16:01.55 | \amethyst | jelly: how much does a mirror pay for bandwidth? |
| 16:02.07 | jelly | \amethyst: that's not scientes's issue. |
| 16:02.26 | foetus | depends on the power of #flood :) |
| 16:02.47 | scientes | the bigest disadvantage of lzma is compression times, but users so not regularly compress the archives |
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| 16:03.27 | jelly | likes pbzip2. |
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| 16:04.15 | scientes | those benchmarks show a 33% increase in efficiency |
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| 16:04.23 | esaym | has the naming scheme of the kernels changed: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6-amd64 I see 28 is in sid but the normal package is missing/still at the old version.... |
| 16:04.36 | esaym | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.28-1-amd64 |
| 16:04.44 | scientes | wait 33% less disk/bandwidth |
| 16:05.00 | foetus | scientes: have you compared the compression ration? would be interesting to me.. |
| 16:05.08 | scientes | idk i always just thought of it as superior for things where you compress not often |
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| 16:05.13 | foetus | *ratio |
| 16:05.28 | scientes | i always compress for 7z if i want to save disk/bandwidth |
| 16:05.34 | scientes | although it does take a while to compress |
| 16:05.43 | scientes | but not extract (although more than gzip) |
| 16:06.03 | scientes | so best when its being distrobuted widly |
| 16:06.19 | legis | Hi, during expert install I didn't chose a generic-kernel, how can I turn back to generic-kernel? I'm moving the hard drive to another machine. |
| 16:06.37 | Witch-King | anyone know if the ATI Radeon 3850 supports compiz? |
| 16:06.40 | hark | esaym: the metapackage has not been updated |
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| 16:07.27 | foetus | scientes: things like 7z are high critical under linux, i think..the best way is tar.lzma |
| 16:07.29 | hark | legis: generic kernel? |
| 16:07.37 | scientes | you dont have to use 7z |
| 16:07.50 | legis | hark: generic linux-image |
| 16:07.51 | scientes | lzma package provides gzip like way |
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| 16:08.11 | scientes | and if you need to preserve UID etc then use tar similar to .tar.gz |
| 16:08.17 | scientes | instead .tar.lzma |
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| 16:08.30 | \amethyst | legis: by generic do you mean -486 ? |
| 16:08.41 | hark | scientes: see http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-lzma/ |
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| 16:09.23 | scientes | thats not maintained |
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| 16:09.35 | foetus | scientes: tar is important, it holds the data in an solid state, then you can compress it with anything you want.. |
| 16:09.58 | esaym | hark: ok I figured that, TY |
| 16:10.04 | legis | \amethyst: no, -686, during install I have two kernel options, one (generic) that included all the drivers and another that only has the drivers I needed. |
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| 16:10.35 | hark | scientes: yeah, an experiment |
| 16:10.48 | AndrewMohawk | anyone got an idea on my problem? |
| 16:10.56 | foetus | 7z or p7z are highly critical under linux, its a risc. |
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| 16:11.50 | hark | legis: no such thing |
| 16:12.06 | foetus | but i have no experiences with tar.lzma, not this time. |
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| 16:12.18 | scientes | hark, its just a significant bandwidth and disk space saver |
| 16:12.31 | foetus | except some weaky packages under gentoo. |
| 16:12.32 | scientes | would allow more content to fit onto cds etc |
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| 16:12.57 | scientes | even used on live cds, and they are considered fast enough |
| 16:12.57 | legis | hark: has to do something with initrd, not sure |
| 16:14.35 | scientes | and what slows the kernel down more is reading it off the disk |
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| 16:15.15 | foetus | scientes: hmm |
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| 16:17.25 | Witch-King | anyone know if the ATI Radeon 3850 supports compiz? |
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| 16:18.44 | greeny | Hi :) Im trying to install a 2.6.2x kernel on my debian vserver....what do i have to add to the sources list? Is it "deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel etch main"? |
| 16:18.49 | lbruno | waves. |
| 16:18.52 | abrotman | Witch-King: which driver are you using? |
| 16:19.04 | abrotman | greeny: apt-cache search etchnhalf ? |
| 16:19.13 | lbruno | whois http://people.debian.org/~aba/? |
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| 16:19.19 | \amethyst | Selveste1: if you try running that command by hand what error do you get? |
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| 16:19.46 | abrotman | lbruno: andreas barth IIRC |
| 16:19.49 | Witch-King | abrotman, flrx |
| 16:19.52 | Witch-King | fglrx* |
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| 16:20.05 | Selveste1 | \amethyst : dpkg: relocation error: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_out_of_memory, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 16:20.50 | lbruno | abrotman: thanks! should I bug him for a new "daily build"? I'm using http://people.debian.org/~aba/d-i/images/daily/netboot/gtk/netboot.tar.gz, but anna keeps segfaulting |
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| 16:21.32 | abrotman | lbruno: hardly daily .. hasn't redone them in over a month |
| 16:21.46 | abrotman | lbruno: why not just use the lenny netboot stuff ? it's newer |
| 16:21.52 | smarf | Is it reasonable iceweasel to have 47-50% of cpu? |
| 16:22.01 | smarf | only one window of youtube opened. |
| 16:22.02 | abrotman | smarf: is flash installed? |
| 16:22.14 | smarf | abrotman, non-free flashplugin? |
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| 16:22.32 | abrotman | flash is a hog |
| 16:22.40 | smarf | what does "hog" mean? |
| 16:22.51 | mischief6 | resource intensive |
| 16:22.55 | smarf | ah |
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| 16:23.09 | smarf | which packages should I install? |
| 16:23.17 | hark | iceweasel is a hog ;) |
| 16:23.19 | arezey | how do you negate $(find -perm -u=x)? |
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| 16:23.52 | lbruno | abrotman: I can only apologise for missing /debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/gtk/ on the mirrors. thank you! |
| 16:23.53 | smarf | hark, is that the problem? |
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| 16:24.00 | jelly | arezey: find '!' -perm -u=x ? |
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| 16:24.26 | arezey | thanks jelly |
| 16:24.30 | arezey | 't works |
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| 16:26.31 | smarf | flashplayer-mozilla removes the nonfree-flashplugin |
| 16:26.37 | greeny | abrotman: there i only find linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf...but i need 2.6.27, sorry i didnt wrote it above. |
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| 16:26.42 | smarf | what should I intsall? which packages? |
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| 16:27.01 | abrotman | greeny: be specific!!! |
| 16:27.05 | smarf | install even* |
| 16:27.07 | abrotman | greeny: need .27 for what? |
| 16:27.13 | hark | smarf: no, but it's most probably flash related |
| 16:27.34 | smarf | hark, could you tell me which packages should I install? |
| 16:27.39 | Witch-King | any ideas abrotman? |
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| 16:28.16 | Witch-King | it is possible to use compiz with lxde right? :s |
| 16:28.36 | bsulzer | hi ev'ryone. I got the following problem: I have debian squeeze but I can't aquire the flashplugin-nonfree. how is it possible to get that package? |
| 16:28.41 | abrotman | Witch-King: aren't they both window managers? |
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| 16:28.47 | ma3x | hi |
| 16:28.50 | greeny | abrotman: For an Intel Xeon ( i think its 686, right ?) |
| 16:28.50 | abrotman | !tell bsulzer about dmm |
| 16:28.55 | \amethyst | Selveste1: hmm... what does dpkg -root=/path/to/chroot -l libc6 say? |
| 16:28.57 | ma3x | can you tell me a security package, i want to try to downgrade it |
| 16:28.58 | abrotman | greeny: you don't need it for that |
| 16:29.19 | abrotman | ma3x: security.debian.org .. there's a list |
| 16:29.25 | vcs | Hi, whenever I run "iptabeles -A INPUT -j LOG -log-prefix="INPUT packet: "", I get an unknown arg error. I am using debian 2.6.26-8 kernel. |
| 16:29.25 | Witch-King | abrotman, lxde is a DE, compiz is a WM |
| 16:29.50 | bsulzer | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:30.06 | greeny | abrotman: but there is a bug within the gameserver im usingh there (srcds/source dedicated server) and they say its fixed when upgrading to 2.6.27 :( |
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| 16:31.37 | abrotman | Witch-King: i would imagine compiz works with fglrx .. i don't have either |
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| 16:31.51 | ma3x | abrotman: do you know where can i download the old package which has security flows for example vim |
| 16:32.17 | abrotman | ma3x: a CD ? |
| 16:32.22 | hark | smarf: how did you install the flash plugin? |
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| 16:32.34 | ma3x | abrotman: not online? |
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| 16:32.48 | abrotman | ma3x: did you check the archives? it's not hard |
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| 16:32.55 | smarf | hark, through synaptic |
| 16:33.03 | abrotman | greeny: okay .. so the error when using the buildd one is ? |
| 16:33.08 | Rich-Boy | sup guys i have a txt file with 50,000 IPs in it can anyone reccommend the quickest way to remove duplicates? |
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| 16:33.19 | \amethyst | Rich-Boy: are they one per line? |
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| 16:33.23 | Rich-Boy | yes |
| 16:33.27 | \amethyst | Rich-Boy: sort -u file > newfile |
| 16:33.35 | Rich-Boy | :D |
| 16:33.37 | Rich-Boy | will this work in bsd |
| 16:33.48 | \amethyst | Rich-Boy: it should, sort -u is standard |
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| 16:33.53 | abrotman | judd: versions bim |
| 16:33.53 | judd | abrotman: bim -- |
| 16:33.54 | \amethyst | Rich-Boy: if not, sort file | uniq > newfile |
| 16:34.04 | \amethyst | Rich-Boy: that will work even on ancient unixes |
| 16:34.22 | abrotman | judd: versions vim |
| 16:34.23 | smarf | hark, nonfree-flashplugin and flashplayer mozilla, have a conflict. The one removes the other. |
| 16:34.23 | judd | abrotman: vim -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch3 etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2 lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 squeeze: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 sid: 2:7.2.079-1 |
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| 16:34.25 | Rich-Boy | -u, --unique |
| 16:34.26 | Rich-Boy | yea |
| 16:34.27 | hark | i have a text file with all the ips in it! |
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| 16:34.36 | Rich-Boy | thx dude |
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| 16:34.39 | abrotman | Rich-Boy: why wouldn't you ask a bsd channel ? |
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| 16:34.46 | Rich-Boy | i amsgd |
| 16:34.46 | hark | smarf: that's by design. it's ok |
| 16:34.50 | Rich-Boy | you were the fastest to respond |
| 16:34.59 | smarf | hark, which of the two should I use? |
| 16:34.59 | abrotman | three's also #bash |
| 16:35.56 | \amethyst | Selveste1: do you have a lib/tls directory inside the chroot? if you're installing lenny you shouldn't |
| 16:36.08 | smarf | Is there a memleak or something? |
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| 16:36.26 | smarf | using just flashplayer I get 87% of cpu. |
| 16:36.43 | hark | smarf: what does about:plugins say about the version? |
| 16:37.01 | Selveste1 | no packets matches libc6. |
| 16:37.09 | greeny | abrotman: the error i get with the gameserver is when i start it: "./srcds_run: line352: 11384 Segmentation fault (core dumped) $HL_CMD" "cat: hlds.11320.pid: no such file directory" |
| 16:37.26 | smarf | hark, of shockwave flash? |
| 16:37.27 | \amethyst | !snapshot |
| 16:37.27 | dpkg | well, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 16:37.29 | \amethyst | ma3x: ^^^^ |
| 16:37.44 | hark | smarf: yes |
| 16:37.58 | smarf | hark, Shockwave Flash 9.0 r159 |
| 16:38.47 | greeny | abrotman: And in a Forum someone writes: "I've been having segfault issues for the last month on our TF2 server - updating the kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.27 resolved them for me." |
| 16:38.53 | \amethyst | Selveste1: what about dpkg --root=/path/to/chroot -l 'libc6*' ? |
| 16:40.05 | Selveste1 | \amethyst: just to be clear, it is possible to install Lenny with debootstrap on a Etch host right ? |
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| 16:40.38 | Selveste1 | ore have I misunderstood something |
| 16:40.44 | hark | smarf: you can try flash 10 which is the latest version. otherwise try out the free alternatives |
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| 16:41.08 | ma3x | are the packages in old stable patched when a new security update comes out? |
| 16:41.19 | jelly | Selveste1: the same arch, sure, but you seem to be bootstrapping amd64 from an i386 installation? |
| 16:41.32 | hark | yes |
| 16:41.36 | smarf | hark, flash 10? You mean flashplayer? |
| 16:41.41 | \amethyst | Selveste1: it should be possible... I'm a bit confused as to why you don't have libc6 in the chroot though |
| 16:41.47 | Selveste1 | jelly :P yes, but I have fixed that now |
| 16:41.52 | ma3x | hark was that yes for me? |
| 16:42.11 | tourt | hello! how can I how the list of packages contained on the "CD", "net install" and "business_card" iso files, before I can do the download? This is listed anywhere online? |
| 16:42.11 | \amethyst | Selveste1: it should be installed before debootstrap ever tries to chroot |
| 16:42.16 | hark | yes ;) |
| 16:42.53 | Selveste1 | \amethyst - I try an clean install now then :) just a sec |
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| 16:43.45 | \amethyst | Selveste1: ohh... you redid the debootstrap over the same directory where you already failed to debootstrap amd64? |
| 16:43.51 | \amethyst | Selveste1: yeah, that could cause problems |
| 16:43.52 | Selveste1 | just to be clear, this is the command im running # debootstrap --arch i386 lenny /vserver/Xen/vm_base/ ftp.dk.debian.org/debian |
| 16:44.31 | abrotman | greeny: i know nothing about game servers |
| 16:44.41 | acu | guys - is any Linux Certification (Linux Certified Professional or Linux Certified Systems Engineer) which has Debian as their backbone for testing and training ? |
| 16:44.57 | giovani | heh |
| 16:45.05 | giovani | acu: the certification of real life! |
| 16:45.06 | \amethyst | Selveste1: the mirror should be a URL |
| 16:45.09 | greeny | abrotman: k np...but why do i not find the linux-image-2.6.27 ? |
| 16:45.17 | \amethyst | Selveste1: otherwise it looks fine, but make sure vm_base is a fresh directory |
| 16:45.20 | abrotman | probably because they've moved on to .28 |
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| 16:45.35 | Selveste1 | ups, sorry http:// if before ftp.dk.debian.org/debian |
| 16:45.59 | tomodachi | acu: are there really any linux certifications wich are worth anything on the market except for the Redhat ones? |
| 16:46.21 | Selveste1 | \amethyst - it is clear now |
| 16:46.40 | Selveste1 | now its downloading the file |
| 16:47.17 | greeny | abrotman: I found linux-image-2.6.28-1-486 but if i try to install it says "no candidate version found" |
| 16:47.17 | Selveste1 | complited without errors this time :) thanks |
| 16:47.23 | acu | tomodachi: good point - it may be - I know that Novell has some Linux Certifications ans so Comptia - but I did not see any debian based ones |
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| 16:47.34 | wizardist | hi guys |
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| 16:49.07 | hark | tourt: for i386, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/list-cd/ |
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| 16:49.24 | jelly | greeny: where did you find your 2.6.28 for etch package and how are you trying to install it? |
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| 16:50.08 | ewet | is there a way to painlessly remove all -dev packages? |
| 16:50.20 | tourt | hark: terrific. Thanks a lot! |
| 16:50.21 | xoz | dont believe in certification... it is like taking a compre exam instead of thesis |
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| 16:50.45 | acu | probably if someone can resolve 95% of the questions on this room would be Debian GNU/Linux Certified Systems Engineer (perhaps abrotman is one of them :) and if you answer 50 % of the questions (with positive resolve) it would be Debian GNU/Linux Certified Professional (maybe dondelcaro will be in this league :) - anyhow |
| 16:50.58 | abrotman | i'm not certified anything |
| 16:51.01 | abrotman | crazy maybe |
| 16:51.04 | greeny | jelly: i try to install it with aptitude...source is deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel etch main |
| 16:51.09 | abrotman | greeny: which URL ? |
| 16:51.22 | abrotman | greeny: for i386 ? |
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| 16:52.06 | zeeble | why would it be called linux-image-2.6.28-1-486? |
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| 16:52.25 | abrotman | greeny: i think you want http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel trunk main ... just be careful |
| 16:52.45 | abrotman | which does have Package: linux-image-2.6.28-1-486 |
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| 16:53.00 | acu | abrotman: genius comes in package (and craziness is thrown in, almost always - different degrees though) |
| 16:53.22 | hark | ewet: maybe, aptitude remove '~n-dev' ... but dependencies might go as well |
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| 16:53.26 | greeny | abrotman: if i do "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.2 [tab][tab]" it shows me 4 etchnhalf images and linux-image-2.6.28-1-486. |
| 16:53.39 | greeny | abrotman: k ill try with trunk |
| 16:53.43 | jelly | hark: warning: manpages-dev is NOT a -dev package! |
| 16:53.51 | abrotman | http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 16:53.59 | abrotman | there's all the packages they have .. pick the worst one :) |
| 16:54.20 | jelly | greeny: aptitude why-not linux-image-2.6.28-1-486 ? |
| 16:54.34 | hark | jelly: well, ewet did specify all -dev packages :) |
| 16:55.45 | ewet | jelly, hark: oh I see that's just made the task harder :-/ |
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| 16:56.27 | solitron | Hello, I'm fairly new with Debian, can someone help me with this? E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the mysql-server-5.0 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) |
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| 16:57.17 | xoz | solitron: lenny? or sid? |
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| 16:57.22 | greeny | jelly: no super cow powers |
| 16:57.24 | solitron | lenny |
| 16:57.43 | jelly | greeny: yeah, and why-not isn't really used for that |
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| 16:57.50 | jelly | my bad. |
| 16:58.05 | solitron | xoz, I think this was due to wine and mythtv in debian-multimedia repositories |
| 16:58.29 | xoz | solitron: what debian? |
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| 16:58.54 | solitron | xoz, how so? |
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| 16:59.14 | xoz | solitron: are you running sid? lenny? stable? testing? |
| 16:59.35 | solitron | xoz, lenny :P |
| 17:00.12 | xoz | solitron: try auto-apt or apt-file search <missingfile> |
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| 17:01.20 | greeny | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.28-1-486_2.6.28-2~snapshot.12968_i386.deb shout be ok, right? |
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| 17:01.55 | abrotman | it's your box .. not might |
| 17:01.56 | abrotman | mine |
| 17:02.29 | greeny | abrotman: that means its wrong? |
| 17:02.36 | solitron | xoz, I don't have those commands and they won't install for the same problem/error message |
| 17:02.40 | jelly | greeny: by default, third party repositories are NOT OK. |
| 17:02.54 | jelly | even when they're made by debian developera |
| 17:03.08 | xoz | solitron: have you done apt-get or aptitude update? |
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| 17:03.13 | greeny | jelly: k but is there another way to get a kernel 2.6.27 oder 28? |
| 17:03.18 | solitron | xoz, yes |
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| 17:03.25 | \amethyst | greeny: sid has 2.6.28 |
| 17:03.27 | hark | greeny: might as well just install it from sid if you're getting it from the build server trunk |
| 17:04.10 | jelly | greeny: you can build your own, for example. |
| 17:04.10 | \amethyst | greeny: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.28-1-486 |
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| 17:04.11 | xoz | solitron: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search <missing file> |
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| 17:04.21 | jelly | greeny: which cpu does your machine have (in other words, how come you're using the -486 flavor)? |
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| 17:05.04 | xoz | solitron: try to change your debian mirror |
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| 17:05.19 | solitron | ok |
| 17:05.23 | xoz | solitron: there might be problems with your current /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:05.44 | greeny | jelly, abrotman: k...ive tried the trunk one, the deb from kernel-archive. But everytime i try to install i get a bunch of warnings like: cant read module XXX Cannot allocate memory. Ive got a xeon proc. in the machine |
| 17:05.53 | solitron | xoz, how can I mark packages to not be upgraded? |
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| 17:06.38 | xoz | solitron: pinning |
| 17:06.45 | jelly | greeny: complete output from an installation command would be nice, more useful than "bunch of warnings like: cant read module XXX Cannot allocate memory" |
| 17:06.45 | xoz | solitron: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 17:07.04 | abrotman | greeny: those kernels are experimental .. they may or may not work |
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| 17:07.16 | greeny | jelly: yeah but how can i copy out of putty? :) |
| 17:07.55 | abrotman | greeny: highlight, and hit enter |
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| 17:09.10 | greeny | abrotman: doesnt work (higlight+enter) |
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| 17:09.49 | greeny | abrotman: ah ive got it...copy and paste with middle mouse button...mom |
| 17:09.52 | jelly | there's no right-click and "copy"? |
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| 17:10.27 | muxpux_ | hi what all packages i need to install in my debain so that i can compile application from source code |
| 17:10.40 | greeny | jelly: only strg+rightclick but there is only copy all and this doesnt work. but middle mousebutton works |
| 17:10.46 | synaptic | Anyone know a good log file -> rss feed script/program? |
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| 17:13.19 | greeny | abrotman, jelly: http://pastebin.com/m775ad18c |
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| 17:13.38 | stintel | any problems known with the Lenny + cups + ghostscript ? I am unable to print anything after dist-upgrading this print server from Etch to Lenny. |
| 17:14.03 | stintel | http://rafb.net/p/ymN5Wf75.html |
| 17:14.25 | Hologram1Slim | stintel: runs fine for me with a laserjet via USB |
| 17:14.36 | jelly | greeny: is this in a virtualized environment? |
| 17:14.44 | greeny | jelly: yes |
| 17:14.47 | jelly | greeny: uname -r |
| 17:15.02 | Hologram1Slim | stintel: the printer was stopped once and i don't think i did it myself. maybe that is all? |
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| 17:15.07 | zxxd | hi |
| 17:15.09 | greeny | jelly: 2.6.9-023stab048.5-smp |
| 17:15.25 | stintel | Hologram1Slim: hmm, what do you mean exactly ? |
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| 17:15.47 | zxxd | what package can I use as a template for creating a new package that basically , just replaces a bunch of config files and patches other txt files and installs some bash scripts no real compilation of any program done |
| 17:15.51 | jelly | greeny: smells like virtuozzo or openvz. You can't run your own kernel in there |
| 17:16.00 | Hologram1Slim | stintel: call the HTML UI cups has, check if the printer is stopped |
| 17:16.14 | stintel | Hologram1Slim: aha. |
| 17:16.15 | xoz | muxpux_: /msg dpkg build-dep |
| 17:16.23 | stintel | Hologram1Slim: forgive, I am a cups noob ã |
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| 17:16.48 | Hologram1Slim | stintel: yeah, but your smilie makes it all worthwhile ;) |
| 17:16.56 | stintel | Hologram1Slim: :D |
| 17:17.13 | neuro_damage | how come I can't install firefox on debian through package manager |
| 17:17.19 | xoz | zxxd: explain more |
| 17:17.27 | greeny | jelly: ahh ok. i think a gameserver on a vserver is anyway no good idea^^ so i stop my trys here. |
| 17:17.28 | zxxd | xoz, create my custom package |
| 17:17.37 | Hologram1Slim | neuro_damage: licensing. use iceweasel, it's firefox, but with a different name |
| 17:17.43 | craigevil | neuro_damage: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 17:17.49 | zxxd | xoz, that just patches other config files in other installed packages |
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| 17:17.58 | zxxd | xoz, and installas some bash scripts |
| 17:18.04 | greeny | jelly, abrotman : thx alot for ur time and help :) cu |
| 17:18.06 | zxxd | xoz, and creates dirs |
| 17:18.06 | muxpux_ | hi HockeyInJune[_] |
| 17:18.27 | xoz | zxxd: /msg dpkg package recompile? |
| 17:18.38 | stintel | Hologram1Slim: printer isn't stopped |
| 17:18.47 | Hologram1Slim | stintel: :( |
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| 17:19.58 | dikdust | uhm someone can suggest a clustered file system to use on lenny for iscsi access ? |
| 17:20.03 | dikdust | maybe also windows access |
| 17:20.04 | greeny | jelly: Is it possible that the segmantation error which i get when i start the gameserver also has something todo with the fact that its a vserver? |
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| 17:20.17 | jelly | greeny: I truly have no idea. |
| 17:20.29 | greeny | jelly: ok :) bye |
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| 17:22.38 | Hologram1Slim | dikdust: do you search for a iscsi ,,server''? i used netbsd a year ago for tests, worked with windows as ,,client'' IIRC |
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| 17:22.59 | dikdust | Hologram1Slim, I have used openfiler |
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| 17:23.21 | stintel | Hologram1Slim: seems it works when I print a txt file. should ask my boss what kind of weird document he tried to print :] |
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| 17:24.01 | Hologram1Slim | stintel: what do you have? ps? pdf? |
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| 17:24.41 | Federico2 | bye bye |
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| 17:25.26 | stintel | Hologram1Slim: don't know, I'll ask him when he get's out of meeting |
| 17:25.32 | xoz | stintel: have you tried reinstall |
| 17:25.33 | Hologram1Slim | dudes, in general, i believe debians kernel people should show some more pragmatism and stop removing firmwares that are even in the vanilla kernel |
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| 17:26.15 | stintel | xoz: I reinstalled ghostscript, as the programs giving errors are from that package - didn't change anything |
| 17:26.27 | azeem | Hologram1Slim: Debian generally reserved the right to fix mistakes upstream does |
| 17:26.33 | xoz | stintel: can it print ps and pdf docs? |
| 17:27.09 | xoz | stintel: it is the filter causing the problem. maybe reinstall from the beginng. add new printer. |
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| 17:27.36 | stintel | xoz: maybe not such a bad idea. idd |
| 17:27.53 | xoz | stintel: and use the browser... |
| 17:28.03 | xoz | stintel: instead of gnome or kde frontends. |
| 17:28.14 | stintel | xoz: no X on the machine ;) |
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| 17:28.36 | stintel | hmmm. my pdf prints fine |
| 17:28.38 | xoz | stintel: links/lynx |
| 17:29.02 | xoz | stintel: ok. so the doc your boss is printing should be printed to a pdf format first. |
| 17:29.03 | stintel | xoz: didn't mean that, the print srv has no X, so I cannot use the gnome/kde frontend ;) |
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| 17:29.20 | Hologram1Slim | azeem: i don't even know what that means. all i see is that a driver for my soundcard was disabled because it loads a firmware. however, they left the module, so it loads just fine. i call that crap. either you remove the module entirely (what good is it without the firmware?) or you just use the firmware from the kernel and everyone is happy |
| 17:29.32 | Hologram1Slim | azeem: but what do i know, you are probably right |
| 17:29.58 | jpinx | what's the recommendation for something open source that does what skype does? |
| 17:29.59 | stintel | mumbles something about freedom |
| 17:30.24 | azeem | Hologram1Slim: the firmware is likely in a non-free packatge |
| 17:30.26 | azeem | package |
| 17:30.27 | azeem | !firmware |
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| 17:30.30 | xoz | freedom is overused :) |
| 17:30.31 | azeem | hrm |
| 17:30.33 | Hologram1Slim | stintel: and i cry in your face: pragmatism! ;) |
| 17:30.40 | stintel | xoz: so is beer ;P |
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| 17:30.47 | \amethyst | Hologram1Slim: what sound card is it? |
| 17:30.52 | azeem | Hologram1Slim: maybe you're running the wrong distro then |
| 17:31.07 | xoz | stintel: there is no free lunch :) |
| 17:31.23 | stintel | hehe well, what about fedora ... they don't even include gstreamer plugin to decode mp3 |
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| 17:31.39 | Hologram1Slim | \amethyst: something yamaha from a toshiba notebook of a friend, if you want to know it for sure i have to look it up |
| 17:31.47 | Geek`N`Proud | stintel, due to legal reasons |
| 17:31.54 | azeem | Hologram1Slim: that'd be certainly helpful |
| 17:31.57 | xoz | Hologram1Slim: you can always pull the upstream kernel and use make-kpkg |
| 17:32.00 | Geek`N`Proud | it is illegal to link that codec against rhythmbox |
| 17:32.06 | Geek`N`Proud | since it has no GPL exception yet for it |
| 17:32.10 | stintel | ic |
| 17:32.14 | jpinx | Hologram1Slim: I'm running a toshiba laptop T8000 - is that similar? |
| 17:32.18 | stintel | Geek`N`Proud: didn't know that - thanks for the info |
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| 17:32.35 | Hologram1Slim | azeem: bull, i have used debian since potato, i just think that it should be easy because it can. |
| 17:32.43 | stintel | Geek`N`Proud: although it sucks ã and I'm not going to convert to ogg/vorbis |
| 17:32.47 | stintel | damn apple not supporting it :( |
| 17:32.48 | azeem | *shrug* |
| 17:32.49 | Hologram1Slim | jpinx: it's a toshiba sattelite pro 4300 |
| 17:32.53 | xoz | debian kernel is replaceable... that's freedom. |
| 17:32.56 | azeem | Hologram1Slim: the audio chip |
| 17:32.59 | Geek`N`Proud | stintel, the developers won't sue anyone for doing it but until they have got the exception sorted Fedora can't do it |
| 17:33.13 | Hologram1Slim | azeem: i'm searching the web right now |
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| 17:33.25 | Geek`N`Proud | xoz, or just install the damn firmware packages |
| 17:33.29 | jpinx | Hologram1Slim: ok - different soundcard I believe |
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| 17:33.53 | xoz | Geek`N`Proud: that's the easy way! |
| 17:34.50 | Geek`N`Proud | if you do decide to change kernel be aware that the debian NVIDIA drivers don't seem to want to compile against newer than 2.6.26 |
| 17:35.00 | stintel | Geek`N`Proud: no problem with that here |
| 17:35.01 | Hologram1Slim | azeem: the card is named Yamaha DS-XG, the module is snd-ymfpci |
| 17:35.08 | stintel | Geek`N`Proud: maybe check gentoo patches for nvidia-drivers |
| 17:35.17 | xoz | someday, debian should have a menu before booting: please choose kernel, 1) hurd, 2) linux, 3) bsd, etc. |
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| 17:35.53 | stintel | Geek`N`Proud: I am on 2.6.28 with nvidia-drivers-180.29 |
| 17:36.17 | cvw | is it possible to force a shutdown/reboot using a /proc file? I have a remote box that cannot fork the shutdown or reboot command |
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| 17:36.42 | Hologram1Slim | azeem: so, you think there might be a package that delivers the firmware? my solution was to install new alsa driver wich resulted in severe pain ;) |
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| 17:37.02 | stintel | Hologram1Slim: out-of-kernel alsa driver? ouch :P masochist |
| 17:37.05 | Geek`N`Proud | stintel, that's fine because those are new drivers |
| 17:37.07 | Hologram1Slim | azeem: in the end my own modules always said unknown symbol, so i gave up |
| 17:37.22 | Geek`N`Proud | but 173.x won't work on > .26 |
| 17:37.25 | Hologram1Slim | stintel: yes, that's me ;) |
| 17:37.27 | stintel | Geek`N`Proud: older ones worked too. |
| 17:37.32 | stintel | Geek`N`Proud: let me check something |
| 17:37.50 | jelly | cvw: hm. is there a /proc/sysrq-trigger? |
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| 17:38.31 | cvw | jelly: not sure, ls won't work either |
| 17:38.47 | jelly | cvw: does echo work? |
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| 17:38.57 | cvw | jelly: yes |
| 17:38.57 | xoz | cvw: http://portal.itauth.com/2007/10/29/linux-howto-emergency-reboot-remote-machine |
| 17:39.01 | jelly | cvw: echo /proc/sysrq* |
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| 17:40.32 | cvw | hrm.. operation not permitted |
| 17:40.36 | stintel | Geek`N`Proud: hmm. seems the patch is only to get something to compile on 2.6.28 |
| 17:40.39 | jelly | cvw: are you root? |
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| 17:40.44 | cvw | jelly: yup |
| 17:40.56 | xoz | cvw: read the link? |
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| 17:41.05 | Geek`N`Proud | ah right |
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| 17:41.27 | cvw | xoz: yes |
| 17:41.32 | jelly | xoz: before doing echo b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger, I'd recommend doing echo s and echo u in it |
| 17:41.40 | jelly | cvw: before doing echo b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger, I'd recommend doing echo s and echo u in it |
| 17:41.52 | stintel | jelly: makes sense ;) |
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| 17:42.28 | cvw | no such file or directory.. something is certainly fubar on that machine |
| 17:42.34 | xoz | jelly: reboot does not trigger sync? |
| 17:42.41 | jelly | xoz: nope |
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| 17:42.46 | xoz | i see |
| 17:42.52 | jelly | it's really reboot |
| 17:43.04 | stintel | cvw: enabled sysrq first ? with echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq ? |
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| 17:43.15 | cvw | stintel: that's where I get the operation not permitted |
| 17:43.18 | stintel | oh |
| 17:43.21 | stintel | crap :( |
| 17:43.27 | jelly | cvw: cat /proc/version |
| 17:43.41 | jelly | oh, cat will likely fail |
| 17:43.44 | cvw | jelly: yup |
| 17:43.57 | cvw | this is an interesting predicament |
| 17:44.14 | jelly | cvw: cd /proc; echo * ? |
| 17:44.33 | stintel | maybe echo fails too ? |
| 17:44.34 | jelly | cvw: is this a debian machine? |
| 17:44.47 | cvw | jelly: yup a debian machine, and echo * does work, no sysrq-trigger file listed |
| 17:44.50 | jelly | stintel: echo is usually a shell builtin, no fork required |
| 17:45.02 | stintel | ic |
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| 17:45.22 | keith4 | i installed flash from lenny-backports non-free, iceweasel 3, and youtube seems unhappy about this. has anyone else encountered this? |
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| 17:46.15 | jelly | cvw: read a < /proc/version; echo $a |
| 17:46.16 | jelly | :-) |
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| 17:46.46 | cvw | Linux version 2.6.18-92.1.18.el5.028stab060.2.audit (root@phoebe.circuit.ampx.net) (gcc version 4.1.2 20071124 (Red Hat 4.1.2-42)) #1 SMP Mon Feb 2 18:41:10 EST 2009 |
| 17:47.02 | cvw | hrm, this is not what I expected to see there |
| 17:47.03 | jelly | cvw: if that's a debian kernel I'm a rabid monkey |
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| 17:47.20 | cvw | looks like I have some phone calls to make |
| 17:47.22 | stintel | lol |
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| 17:47.34 | stintel | jelly: you hacker :P |
| 17:47.38 | jelly | cvw: it's also a virtuozzo or openvz-like kernel. |
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| 17:47.52 | jelly | cvw: this does not a real hardware make |
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| 17:48.16 | jelly | cvw: it's possible your provider oversells their virtualization hosts |
| 17:48.23 | stintel | ohh the suck. call your reseller |
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| 17:49.14 | cvw | jelly: aye, this was *supposed* to be a dedicated host |
| 17:49.32 | jelly | cvw: for $12 a month? :-) |
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| 17:49.45 | cvw | naw, I pay more than that :) |
| 17:49.45 | stintel | hehe, if they gave u a Xen or KVM VM, that would still be acceptable. |
| 17:49.49 | stintel | omg |
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| 17:50.02 | cvw | alright, time to make a call, ty guys for your help |
| 17:50.06 | jelly | cheers |
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| 17:50.18 | stintel | cvw: you should draw conclusions about the reseller ã |
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| 17:50.25 | stintel | (me would kick them out) |
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| 17:51.15 | xoz | maybe the debian machine is the host of virtualization? :) |
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| 17:51.39 | jelly | xoz: right, a debian machine with 2.6.18-92.1.18.el5 kernel |
| 17:51.40 | stintel | xoz: that would be bad for all other guest systems :D |
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| 17:52.01 | jelly | (plus openvz patches) |
| 17:52.02 | stintel | what a coincidence that I just installed a CentOS 5.2 with the same kernel version :P |
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| 17:52.26 | zen-xstat | Hello, i'm using debian lenny and i have serious usb pendrive write problems, it just can't copy files bigger that 10 MB, it stalls and I/O error arises. I've tryed copying with winXP a 700MB file and it worked 100% fine. Do you know what or where the problem colud be??? |
| 17:52.43 | jelly | stintel: rhel5 is up to 2.6.18-128.el5, did centos people not rebuild 5.3 yet? |
| 17:52.55 | stintel | jelly: centos 5.3 not released yet, afaik. |
| 17:53.08 | stintel | jelly: at least not on the local mirrors, and I wanted to fully use my 100Mbit connection ã |
| 17:53.09 | xoz | zen-xstat: can you try formatting it with ext3? is it in vfat now? |
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| 17:54.54 | zen-xstat | xoz yes, it's in vfat, but i need it in vfat because people still usses windows everywhere, i think that tthe problem could be that the linux kernel do not wait for the usb drive to write data, and it kind of overflow it with new data, maybe some cache buffer problem |
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| 17:55.31 | zen-xstat | watching the light in the drive with windows, i see that it flashes in a different way than in linux |
| 17:55.39 | xoz | zen-xstat: just try first of ext3 has the same problem. isolate first whether it is hw or filesystem. |
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| 17:56.16 | jpinx | zen-xstat: get your windows users to use on of the many ext3 reading programmes available in windows |
| 17:56.30 | xoz | zen-xstat: it might be the vfat. try also formatting vfat in linux. erase the partition and reformat. |
| 17:56.53 | xoz | zen-xstat: it the problem persists, try another kernel. |
| 17:56.57 | zen-xstat | xoz i've tryied al that, including repartitioning, reformatting |
| 17:57.13 | xoz | zen-xstat: changed the kerne? |
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| 17:57.45 | zen-xstat | i have read everywhere people installing a brand new system form usb drive with vfat fs, when i can't even copy a 10MB file |
| 17:57.47 | solitron | can someone help me with this? E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the mysql-server-5.0 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) |
| 17:57.56 | xoz | zen-xstat: i copy giga to my flash and usb with no prblem |
| 17:57.56 | zen-xstat | i have the latest release of debian lenny |
| 17:58.07 | solitron | been around this since one hour ago and I only use Debian since 3 days ago |
| 17:58.22 | xoz | zen-xstat: dmesg has no error? |
| 17:58.29 | zen-xstat | yes |
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| 17:58.45 | xoz | zen-xstat: you have to provide info... your description is not enough. |
| 17:58.52 | zen-xstat | checking dmesg tells numerous FAT read failed messages |
| 17:59.12 | xoz | zen-xstat: specific error... cut and paste to google. |
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| 17:59.48 | xoz | zen-xstat: i think it is hw. only that your XP does not report it :) |
| 17:59.58 | solitron | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `mysql-server-5.0' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 17:59.58 | dpkg | solitron: You are moron #1 |
| 18:00.15 | solitron | was not talking to you :P |
| 18:00.20 | zen-xstat | xoz don't know, first of all i will try what youu've told about ext3 |
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| 18:00.52 | zen-xstat | xoz but this is not the first time this happens to me event with another pendrive and other distributions |
| 18:00.53 | xoz | zen-xstat: yeah. isolate the problem. is it fs type? is it kernel? is it the data you copy? |
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| 18:01.07 | Lagbolt | zen-xstat can you create files on the drive? |
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| 18:01.18 | xoz | zen-xstat: never experienced it. i use pendrive all the time. |
| 18:01.37 | stintel | well sometimes these pendrives cause headaches for me too |
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| 18:02.02 | xoz | i think if ext3 has same problem, it is the pen drive.... crppy cheapy pen drive |
| 18:02.08 | stintel | so I quit using them and bought wd passport :P |
| 18:02.47 | zen-xstat | lagbolt haven't tryed that, but after the i/o error, the pendrive stills flashing it's light kind of still writing data |
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| 18:03.14 | stintel | weew |
| 18:03.16 | Lagbolt | zen-xstat, is it SD or SDHC? |
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| 18:03.24 | zen-xstat | disconnecting it may break it, i will try to write a small text file |
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| 18:03.38 | zen-xstat | lagbolt sd i think |
| 18:03.38 | stintel | zen-xstat: you are mixing up with flash cards I think ;) |
| 18:03.43 | stintel | ehr |
| 18:03.44 | stintel | wtf |
| 18:03.50 | stintel | just forget what I typed |
| 18:03.57 | stintel | hides |
| 18:04.24 | xoz | zen-xstat: run a filesystem check |
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| 18:04.39 | Lagbolt | zen-xstat, now that you have used it in linux does it still work in windows? |
| 18:04.52 | ma3x | why the hell doesn't this work * * * * * /usr/sbin/cron-apt |
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| 18:05.07 | solitron | xoz, the repositories were not the problem |
| 18:05.07 | xoz | zen-xstat: i think if you use parted to format it, it will report if some blocks have errors. |
| 18:05.08 | ma3x | when i type /usr/sbin/cron-apt it works, but when i add that to crontab it doesn't |
| 18:05.17 | Lagbolt | i had a cheap sdhc card do something similar. it would start printing errors if i tried to move large files. but i could move lots of small files |
| 18:05.57 | xoz | solitron: what file is missing |
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| 18:06.07 | solitron | xoz, I don't know |
| 18:06.16 | xoz | solitron: check bts |
| 18:06.25 | chomwitt | can i make seahorse my default keyring in lenny and disable gnome-keyring? |
| 18:06.29 | zen-xstat | lagbolt, i couldn't even unmount it, it automatically disappeared from the system even with a mount command, does not recongize the device, but it's connecting and kind of working cause it's light flashes |
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| 18:06.53 | zen-xstat | sorry, it's still cnnecte |
| 18:06.54 | zen-xstat | d |
| 18:06.56 | Seb | how would I convert a pdf to an image (png would be ideal) ? |
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| 18:07.18 | xoz | zen-xstat: buy a new one. are your sure XP works all the time with this drive? maybe it is pro XP and anti linux. |
| 18:07.20 | Lagbolt | zen-xstat, does it still work in windows? |
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| 18:07.56 | zen-xstat | OK, you've gave me good ideas to guess where the problem could be, now i'll try to do something with it and then i'll came back to continue this issue ok??? Thank youu very much |
| 18:08.15 | Seb | oh, gimp does it |
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| 18:08.39 | zen-xstat | xon maybe thats correct, industries fools |
| 18:08.52 | zen-xstat | i'll try it now in windows lagbolt |
| 18:09.00 | zen-xstat | i'll be back in a while |
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| 18:09.02 | Lagbolt | zen-xstat, if it works i have a suggestion |
| 18:09.16 | zen-xstat | lagbolt |
| 18:09.18 | Lagbolt | zen-xstat, if it works next time come back to linux, mount it and try to create lots of small files |
| 18:09.18 | zen-xstat | tell me |
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| 18:09.38 | Lagbolt | zen-xstat, something like "dd bs=1024 count=1 if=/dev/zero of=filename1" |
| 18:09.56 | Lagbolt | do that for a while not too fast and see if you get past the 10 MB mark |
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| 18:10.15 | Lagbolt | i had problems with cheap flash and it seemed to be write speed related |
| 18:10.40 | zen-xstat | lagbolt ok, i'll try that, then comment how it went |
| 18:10.41 | hansad | i have been using Lenny since a long time. now that Lenny has become stable, I want to move to the next unstable version so that I can have the latest software. what should I change my sources.lst too? |
| 18:10.56 | zen-xstat | Flash drive is Kingston DataTraveler 2.0 4GB |
| 18:11.12 | xoz | hansad: you mean testing? |
| 18:11.18 | stintel | hansad: replace lenny or stable with squeeze for testing or with sid for unstable |
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| 18:11.30 | hansad | squeeze? |
| 18:11.38 | stintel | or just use testing or unstable instead of lenny, squeeze, sid |
| 18:11.40 | hansad | if lenny became stable, shouldn't sid become testing now? |
| 18:11.44 | abrotman | stintel: don't tell people to use unstable |
| 18:11.47 | stintel | nope |
| 18:11.54 | abrotman | !tell hansad about lenny->squeeze |
| 18:11.55 | xoz | sid is forever unstable |
| 18:11.59 | stintel | hansad: sid is always unstable |
| 18:12.00 | Caelum | is sfill from secure-delete supposed to get stuck, or am I just not patient enough? |
| 18:12.12 | hansad | oh, i thought sid will become testing, i was wrong |
| 18:12.39 | xoz | sid (still in development) or sid the chaos |
| 18:12.52 | hansad | what is "sid the chaos" ? |
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| 18:13.08 | xoz | hansad: the character who destroys toys |
| 18:13.10 | nareshov | d: |
| 18:13.11 | abrotman | hansad: please do not use sid |
| 18:13.21 | hansad | ok |
| 18:13.24 | hansad | yes, don't worry. I will not use sid. |
| 18:13.31 | hansad | i will use squeeze |
| 18:13.52 | stintel | abrotman: what's wrong with using sid ? |
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| 18:14.10 | hansad | stintel: it is in chaos |
| 18:14.14 | Caelum | stintel: nothing if you like the occasional ass-raping |
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| 18:15.12 | hansad | hey why are you using bad words? isn't linux channel family-free? |
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| 18:15.35 | res22 | Anyone help me out, when I try to delete files on a mounted hard drive in debian as root it constantly spits out an "operation not permitted" error |
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| 18:15.52 | hansad | res22: is it windows drive that is mounted? |
| 18:16.02 | xoz | res22: be root |
| 18:16.05 | res22 | hansad: Yeah ntfs |
| 18:16.08 | res22 | I am root |
| 18:16.14 | hansad | i think ntfs has that problem since a long time. |
| 18:16.22 | abrotman | stintel: he doesn't know how to install it .. that's the first problem |
| 18:16.27 | res22 | Never had a problem with any other distribution |
| 18:16.35 | abrotman | stintel: if you're not going to be his 24x7 support, don't tell him to use it |
| 18:16.42 | res22 | I can view files fine, but can't edit or delete |
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| 18:16.53 | hansad | abrotman: installing sid is different from installing lenny or squeeze? |
| 18:17.22 | hansad | res22: yes, i have faced this problem too with ubuntu as well as sarge, etch, lenny |
| 18:17.24 | stintel | abrotman: I didn't tell him to use it. I answerred his question (which was confusing). but I get your point ã I have been running sid for years on my server, but I like living on the edge ;) |
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| 18:17.43 | xoz | res22: /msg dpkg pmount |
| 18:17.49 | hansad | sintel: installing sid is different from installing lenny or squeeze? |
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| 18:18.08 | iuri | hi there, i just rm a directory by mistake from my server. How do i recover it? |
| 18:18.22 | iuri | is there a way so? |
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| 18:18.27 | jelly | iuri: short answer, not really |
| 18:18.28 | hansad | iuri: i don't think so |
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| 18:18.30 | xoz | hansad: use pmount |
| 18:18.42 | jelly | iuri: how valuable is your data? |
| 18:18.46 | hansad | iuri: there are tools that may help in recovery of lost files. but they are not really part of debian |
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| 18:19.11 | stintel | res22: if it's ntfs, are you using ntfs3g with fuse, or the in-kernel ntfs module ? |
| 18:19.18 | Caelum | iuri: try magicrescue |
| 18:19.19 | hansad | why is limit set to 967? debian channel does not like many users? |
| 18:19.20 | iuri | So once removed no way to get them back :( |
| 18:19.24 | res22 | In kernel |
| 18:19.25 | jelly | iuri: how valuable is your data? |
| 18:19.29 | res22 | Trying pmount |
| 18:19.32 | smacnay | Anyone know of a good billing software for linux. Billing and keeping track of paid and unpaid with the ability to use all info for taxes at the end of the year? |
| 18:19.34 | agnitio | Hi, my iwl3945 card is not really cooperating. When I boot it says that the Hardware RF kill switch is activated and that "MAC is in deep sleep", and I cant activate it. But if I suspend the laptop to RAM, when I start it up again the wireless works perfectly |
| 18:19.35 | tchernaya | iuri: try to use hirens bootcd |
| 18:19.35 | stintel | res22: in-kernel ntfs and write support is crap. try ntfs-3g |
| 18:19.37 | iuri | jelly, very valluable |
| 18:19.47 | stintel | iuri: then restore data from your backups ;) |
| 18:19.52 | hansad | iuri: if it was very valuable, you should have kept backups. |
| 18:19.56 | iuri | the thing is i have no local access to it |
| 18:19.57 | Caelum | iuri: now you will learn to do backups |
| 18:20.03 | iuri | i have only remote ssh access |
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| 18:20.07 | stintel | backups++ |
| 18:20.09 | jelly | iuri: in that case, shut down the power immediately and consult a data recovery service |
| 18:20.13 | tchernaya | iuri: there is a lot of tools to recover erased data |
| 18:20.25 | iuri | okay |
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| 18:20.39 | tchernaya | iuri: yes bcakup.... sorry without local access |
| 18:20.41 | stintel | yes, but installing those tools locally might overwrite the locations where your valuable data might still be ;) |
| 18:20.59 | tchernaya | iuri: with hirens bootcd, you need a local access |
| 18:21.00 | jelly | iuri: do not "shutdown" or "poweroff" the machine with a command... physically power it off. As soon as possible |
| 18:21.04 | xoz | iuri: don't save or create new docs. |
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| 18:21.23 | hansad | shouldn't there be a mental support channel in freenode for people who just deleted very important data? |
| 18:21.30 | hansad | just to encourage and cheer up? |
| 18:21.31 | res22 | Nice one stintel, ntfs-3g works perfectly, thanks |
| 18:21.40 | stintel | ntfs-3g roxx ! |
| 18:21.43 | hansad | res22: pmount worked? |
| 18:21.53 | Caelum | hansad: they can come to ##turtles so we can laugh at them |
| 18:21.54 | xoz | hansad: yes there is. /j debian-bots |
| 18:21.57 | stintel | dudes, the problem was with the filesystem - not with mounting it |
| 18:22.07 | stintel | in-kernel ntfs module plain sucks ã |
| 18:22.21 | jelly | iuri: after you shut it down, come back to discuss miscellaneous half-assed ideas and software with us, if you wish |
| 18:22.24 | res22 | hansad: I didn't give pmount a fair shot, I'll see now anyway, but ntfs-3g worked |
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| 18:22.44 | xoz | res22: ntfs is the problem. not mounting |
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| 18:22.56 | jpinx | hansad - it's not deleted until it's overwritten |
| 18:23.17 | hansad | ok |
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| 18:23.44 | jpinx | hansad: there are lots of ways to recover data - various uses of dd for example |
| 18:24.15 | hansad | ok |
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| 18:24.24 | pasquale | hi |
| 18:24.28 | hansad | hi |
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| 18:24.48 | pasquale | yesterday i installed debian lenny 5.0 |
| 18:25.07 | jpinx | good move pasquale |
| 18:25.15 | xoz | !undelete |
| 18:25.16 | dpkg | from memory, undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 18:25.37 | pasquale | i couldn`t get into the login screen, it kept saying ``setting screen modes and fonts`` and then it never gets to the login screen... then i solved adding vga=791 to the boot of the kernel |
| 18:26.16 | jelly | xoz: meh, any undelete suggestion should first and foremost say "make an image of the partition/disk and keep one copy safe" |
| 18:26.18 | pasquale | now, i keep crashing, after i login in GDM, it keeps loading forever and then crashes |
| 18:26.36 | pasquale | and i`ve to reboot manually -- which is making me very annoyed |
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| 18:27.09 | res22 | pasquale: Perhaps install the non-free graphics drivers |
| 18:27.10 | xoz | jelly: yep |
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| 18:27.22 | pasquale | res22, how? |
| 18:27.39 | jpinx | xoz: hansad, jelly there is something in dd (Ibelieve) that allows you read all the raw text that exists on a drive |
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| 18:28.02 | xoz | pasquale: during restart of GDM, press ctrl-backspace until gdm stops. |
| 18:28.28 | jelly | jpinx: yes, this is the "halfassed undelete ideas and software" teritory. |
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| 18:28.49 | maQmIgh | hello! i've got an annoying problem, when on battery power, my laptop suspends every 30 minutes eventhough I use it all the time. |
| 18:29.00 | maQmIgh | any ideas on what I should be looking at? |
| 18:29.15 | res22 | pasquale: If you have an nvidia card, follow http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers , if you have an ati card, follow http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 18:29.20 | jpinx | jelly ah -- ok -- I was working on the assumption it was a disaster recovery |
| 18:29.42 | rgr | is there a cli way of controlling/reading the fan information. My debian server fan has suddenly started running real slow and I'd like to know if its a SW issue. |
| 18:30.01 | xoz | maQmIgh: disable power management like acpi |
| 18:30.15 | xoz | pasquale: /msg dpkg single |
| 18:30.19 | pasquale | res22, i was doing that.. just i keep crashing |
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| 18:30.29 | pasquale | how im supposed to install the drivers if i keep crashing |
| 18:30.36 | jelly | jpinx: dunno, if the data is worth more than say $200, it's probably best to find a competent recovery service with similar pricing |
| 18:30.42 | rgr | pasquale: define crash. The installer crashes or the drivers themselves? |
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| 18:30.52 | zen-xstat | lagbolt, dmesg reports > Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
| 18:31.06 | res22 | pasquale: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 18:31.10 | maQmIgh | xoz: but then it wont suspend if it's left alone. ;) |
| 18:31.38 | res22 | pasquale: Btw, I've been using debian for a day, so my advice is merely assumption |
| 18:31.46 | jpinx | jelly - I had remarkable success with various incantations of dd about a year ago - got it all back from hosed hdd with overwritten partition table:) |
| 18:31.59 | xoz | maQmIgh: adjust the suspend idle time then |
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| 18:32.34 | xoz | zen-xstat: yeah. possible driver problem also. |
| 18:32.50 | xoz | zen-xstat: google for the brand and linux support |
| 18:32.52 | rgr | res22: It's not trivial. See here which covers the use of m-a to install nvidia glx. http://desiato.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html |
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| 18:33.07 | abrotman | !tell pasquale about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:33.20 | xoz | sleeps |
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| 18:33.28 | abrotman | again?! |
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| 18:33.51 | res22 | rgr: I'm not the one with the problem :/ |
| 18:34.07 | pasquale- | who was talking to me earlier? pasquale< crashed.. |
| 18:34.12 | pasquale- | im from the laptop now |
| 18:34.15 | res22 | Ah |
| 18:34.33 | hansad | !tell pasquale about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:34.39 | rgr | res22: I know. Which is why its better not to offer advice on video drivers if you dont know - its not trivial and running hte wrong stuff can really screw up your machine. |
| 18:34.41 | pasquale- | hansad i keep crashing.. |
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| 18:34.55 | res22 | Sorry rgr |
| 18:35.07 | hansad | pasquale-: OkAy |
| 18:35.10 | rgr | no probs, its just that I have been there done that with video. Its a nightmare. |
| 18:35.30 | res22 | As I said, I installed debian yesterday and X didn't work, but install the ati drivers was relatively easy |
| 18:35.32 | pasquale- | hansad, after i login it crashes.. i dont know anymore what to do. i reinstalled already the entire OS 5 times |
| 18:35.36 | rgr | have a look at that link and you will. Its mind bogglingly messy. |
| 18:35.44 | jelly | rgr: in fact, generalize that to "its better not to offer advice on any topic you dont know well" and you won't be wrong |
| 18:35.53 | pasquale- | i dont want to install windows again :( |
| 18:36.02 | rgr | res22: you are lucky. I dumped ati last year because of the install issues. |
| 18:36.05 | zen-xstat | xoz, thanks i've even realized about some major issue, that /dev/hdb2 was mounted at /disk and gnome automatically mounted /dev/sda1 in the same location, now i'm mounting it in a different location, but i will try a mkfs.ext3 and the copying a big file to see if it is a driver problem or a logic? filesystem error |
| 18:36.13 | rgr | I listended to the advice here and stopped using the nvidia installer too. |
| 18:36.22 | rgr | now nvidia-glx updates like the rest. |
| 18:36.23 | res22 | rgr: I think they're making a real effort with the 4800 series |
| 18:36.57 | rgr | About time IMO. Not everyone can make do with hercules text screens :-; |
| 18:37.10 | pasquale- | so i guess theres no way to solve this |
| 18:37.14 | hansad | pasquale-: i am not an expert with such issues. please ask someone else like abrotman. |
| 18:37.25 | pasquale- | ok |
| 18:37.31 | pasquale- | hi abrotman, are you there? |
| 18:37.44 | rgr | pasquale-: did you set your video to vesa to at least boot? |
| 18:38.24 | osfd | bouhou, I cant watch video on youtube...I don't get why..!? |
| 18:38.33 | pasquale- | rgr im a noobie, i just installed debian yesterday.. what do you mean with seting my video to vesa to at least boot? |
| 18:38.43 | rgr | where does it crash? |
| 18:39.02 | pasquale- | at the login screen sometimes, and after i login |
| 18:39.10 | rgr | and you know its the video drivers? |
| 18:39.19 | pasquale- | no, ive no idea about that |
| 18:39.23 | rgr | way to find out: boot to a full screen mode. |
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| 18:40.05 | pasquale- | rgr full screen mode? |
| 18:40.06 | rgr | google up how to change your xorg.conf file to use the standard VESA drivers |
| 18:40.09 | pasquale- | shell? |
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| 18:40.35 | rgr | pasquale-: you have grub installed? Normally you can boot a kind of "admin" mode - I cant remember the term (anyone?) |
| 18:40.51 | pasquale- | rgr yaa ive grub installed |
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| 18:41.24 | hansad | pasquale-: if it crashes at login, most likely your display driver is the problem. |
| 18:41.34 | pasquale- | i see |
| 18:41.41 | hansad | you need not reinstall OS, it can be solved with some file editing |
| 18:41.42 | pasquale- | hansad sometimes also after i login |
| 18:41.51 | pasquale- | i see |
| 18:41.56 | hansad | can you at least log in to the shell? the black console using the root password? |
| 18:41.57 | rgr | pasquale-: so google up "xorg.conf vesa" |
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| 18:42.09 | pasquale- | hansad yes i can do that |
| 18:42.22 | rgr | At the login prompt, hit ctl-alt-f1 |
| 18:42.29 | rgr | you can then log into a shell. |
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| 18:42.44 | hansad | pasquale-: then go here: cd /etc/X11 |
| 18:43.02 | rgr | you can then edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. Google up how to do this. Probably using "sudo nano filename". change the driver to "vesa". But read in google first. |
| 18:43.04 | hansad | pasquale-: do you know how to use vim editor? |
| 18:43.21 | pasquale- | hansad hmm no |
| 18:43.27 | pasquale- | hansad i can try though |
| 18:43.31 | hansad | pasquale-: then use nano editor. |
| 18:43.35 | rgr | pasquale-: use nano |
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| 18:43.39 | pasquale- | ok |
| 18:43.44 | hansad | no don't try vim unless you have learnt it. it will be very hard without learning it properly |
| 18:43.56 | pasquale- | so i've to change the driver to vesa, but why if i use nvidia? |
| 18:43.58 | rgr | but read above what I said - do read about xorg.conf first. So you dont panic and make a mess :-; |
| 18:44.11 | pasquale- | yes rgr i will do that |
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| 18:44.19 | rgr | pasquale-: because nvidia crashes .... we are trying to see if it IS the nvidia drivers. So take them out of the mix. |
| 18:44.35 | pasquale- | rgr wait wait |
| 18:44.39 | rgr | if then you get a X desktop we know it probably IS the nvidia drivers. |
| 18:44.46 | hansad | pasquale-: what is your graphics card? didn't read it if you posted it already |
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| 18:44.59 | pasquale- | yesterday soembody told me to delete something into the kernel line and add "vga=791" |
| 18:45.07 | buntfalke | How do I make /dev/bus/usb/... accessible for non-root users? |
| 18:45.09 | pasquale- | i dont know if this might mean something but i wanted to tell you |
| 18:45.14 | rgr | thats for the boot screen. |
| 18:45.28 | pasquale- | because normally, i could not login |
| 18:45.49 | pasquale- | it was stuck at "setting modes and fonts" and never continued loading after that |
| 18:45.49 | hansad | pasquale-: did you go to cd /etc/X11 |
| 18:45.49 | magyar_ | hi, is there a way to specify a filterfile with maildrop? |
| 18:45.54 | hansad | and then open: nano Xorg.conf ? |
| 18:45.57 | hansad | oops |
| 18:46.01 | hansad | it is nano xorg.conf |
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| 18:46.02 | rgr | aargh.# |
| 18:46.05 | pasquale- | hansad i will do that |
| 18:46.07 | rgr | no its not |
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| 18:51.25 | pasquale- | hansad im going to do that, it is loading to check hda1 |
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| 18:52.22 | sdfgsdfgdsfg | can debian 5 be installed into a pIII with 128 ram and 466 mhz? |
| 18:52.30 | zzattack2 | sdfgsdfgdsfg yeah |
| 18:52.39 | sdfgsdfgdsfg | really? |
| 18:52.45 | sdfgsdfgdsfg | will xfce work? |
| 18:52.49 | sdfgsdfgdsfg | or something lightweight? |
| 18:52.50 | zzattack2 | as long as you dont run intensive stuff |
| 18:53.06 | sdfgsdfgdsfg | nah im planning to run bittorent soft |
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| 18:53.15 | zzattack2 | in a graphics environment? |
| 18:53.23 | zzattack2 | or headless? |
| 18:53.50 | sdfgsdfgdsfg | graphic |
| 18:53.52 | zzattack2 | transmission should definitely work for you |
| 18:54.39 | sdfgsdfgdsfg | zzattack, yeah ive been trying to install it using puppy but it fails :S |
| 18:54.56 | pasquale- | hansad anyway ive an nvidia geforce 8600 GT |
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| 18:56.00 | hansad | pasquale-: that is known to give issues initially. i use 'nv' driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
| 18:56.13 | pasquale- | hansad ah i see |
| 18:56.17 | hansad | can you open and read your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file right now? |
| 18:56.21 | pasquale- | yes |
| 18:56.29 | hansad | if you can, you should copy paste the content in http://pastebin.com/ |
| 18:56.33 | hansad | and send us the link so that we can inspect |
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| 18:56.59 | res22 | M |
| 18:57.05 | pasquale- | hansad how do i send u the link? |
| 18:57.10 | pasquale- | im in shell-mode |
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| 18:57.41 | hansad | pasquale-: how did you access the web in shell mode? |
| 18:57.49 | hansad | just note it down in paper and from paper to shell |
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| 18:57.56 | hansad | it is not long, we need just the number in the end |
| 18:58.08 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:58.08 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 18:58.26 | pasquale- | hansad which one? |
| 18:58.48 | hansad | pasquale-: did you paste your complete /etc/X11/xorg.conf in http://pastebin.com/ ? |
| 18:58.51 | pasquale- | im right now in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:59.24 | pasquale- | i dont know how to do that, im not using graphic mode, ive the black screen you know? |
| 18:59.34 | hansad | ok |
| 18:59.48 | pasquale- | and with normal graphic mode i crash :( |
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| 19:00.33 | hansad | pasquale-: search for all "Driver" lines |
| 19:00.34 | jelly | !pastebin pipe |
| 19:00.34 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 19:00.38 | hansad | all lines that contain the string "drivre" |
| 19:00.44 | hansad | "Driver" |
| 19:01.06 | pasquale- | alright |
| 19:01.10 | hansad | see if y ou can see any line that looks like relevant to nvidia, etc.? |
| 19:01.16 | hansad | if it does, tell us what line it is. |
| 19:01.16 | pasquale- | ok |
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| 19:01.57 | keith4 | !pastebin |
| 19:01.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:02.15 | keith4 | there's a way to command-line pastebin, but i don't know the factoid |
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| 19:02.28 | jelly | keith4: see above. |
| 19:02.32 | pasquale- | hackeron i used pastebinit |
| 19:02.37 | pasquale- | hansad* |
| 19:02.45 | keith4 | jelly: ah, gotcha. not sure how i missed that |
| 19:02.47 | pasquale- | www.pastebin.com/f74131a |
| 19:02.53 | hansad | pasquale-: great |
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| 19:03.11 | pasquale- | hansad ill be back in 5 min, my family is having dinner.. |
| 19:03.17 | pasquale- | hope u will not be gone |
| 19:03.18 | jelly | pasquale-: not typed in correctly |
| 19:03.23 | pasquale- | k wait |
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| 19:04.11 | pasquale- | http://pastebin.com/f7413f1a |
| 19:04.14 | pasquale- | sorry |
| 19:04.26 | pasquale- | this is the correct one |
| 19:04.34 | hansad | pasquale-: it should be a quick fix |
| 19:04.40 | hansad | there is a line that says Driver "nvidia" |
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| 19:04.43 | hansad | change it to "nv" |
| 19:04.48 | hansad | i mean change "nvidia" to "nv" |
| 19:05.00 | hansad | try to start graphics again. |
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| 19:05.08 | hansad | if that doesn't work. try changing "nv" to "vesa" and try again. |
| 19:05.19 | hansad | pasquale-: ^ |
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| 19:08.34 | jafn | hi all anyone nows the keyboard distribution for an ibm kb-0025 keyboard? |
| 19:08.43 | jafn | knows* |
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| 19:11.47 | pasquale- | hansad im sorry, i was having a fast dinner, i already skipped lunch today and my family was annoyied cause of it |
| 19:11.56 | pasquale- | im going to do it now |
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| 19:12.49 | pasquale- | hansad, so in "driver" nvidia --- i modify nvidia in nv? |
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| 19:13.13 | korisnik | hi |
| 19:13.23 | korisnik | what is default root passwd on debian ? :-) |
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| 19:13.26 | pasquale- | going to do it |
| 19:14.12 | korisnik | is there anything like default debian password ? |
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| 19:15.06 | pasquale- | hansad, are you there? |
| 19:15.23 | hansad | pasquale-: yes, don't worry, it won't hurt. you can change it back to "nvidia" of coures finally |
| 19:15.28 | hansad | pasquale-: wait |
| 19:15.37 | jelly | korisnik: nope, the installer asks you for one |
| 19:15.39 | hansad | a good thing to do would to be take a backup of your current file (which doesn't work any way) |
| 19:15.57 | hansad | hansad: cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup-when-hansad-helped |
| 19:16.08 | hansad | pasquale-: cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup-when-hansad-helped |
| 19:16.33 | jelly | korisnik: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 19:17.15 | pasquale- | hansad, ok |
| 19:17.29 | pasquale- | hansad,now how do i start x normally? not as root i mean |
| 19:18.06 | spal | pasquale-, do you have gnome installed? |
| 19:18.09 | korisnik | seriously is there anything like default debian root passwd ? :-) |
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| 19:18.15 | pasquale- | spal yes |
| 19:18.17 | spal | pasquale-, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 19:18.31 | spal | do it as root |
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| 19:19.15 | pasquale- | ok im logged it right now in graphical mode |
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| 19:19.47 | pasquale- | it didnt crash, but it gives me an error which is "Internal error: unable to initialate HAL!" |
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| 19:21.08 | pasquale- | hansad, why's that? |
| 19:22.17 | hansad | pasquale-: no idea. someone else might know. even if that error comes, i have never seen any problem due to that error. |
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| 19:22.39 | hansad | pasquale-: just to tell you what you did just now. |
| 19:22.45 | pasquale- | hansad i see, it gives me that error after i log in |
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| 19:23.06 | hansad | your xorg.conf was configured to use the proprietary "nvidia" driver which requires some effort to configure properly. |
| 19:23.21 | hansad | you just changed it to the open source "nv" driver which almost always runs out of the box. |
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| 19:23.48 | pasquale- | i see |
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| 19:24.23 | hansad | if you would be playing games with heavy accleration or animation, you would need nvidia |
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| 19:24.38 | hansad | nvidia being a proprietary driver is especially meant for such stuff. |
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| 19:24.42 | pasquale- | hansad i see, yea i do need that |
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| 19:25.15 | hansad | then, you will have to come to this channel again and get help regarding installing the proprietary nvidia driver. i am not an expert at it. :-) |
| 19:25.33 | hansad | so what you should do now is backup yuor current configuration file which works fine. cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.nv |
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| 19:25.52 | pasquale- | hansad, give me a second, i will come here from my own comp |
| 19:25.57 | hansad | so that when you try experimenting to make "nvidia" work and you screw up things, you can restore the xorg.conf that at least works. |
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| 19:26.47 | lxsameer | i don't have debuild utility , which package it is in? |
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| 19:26.54 | gigo | hi |
| 19:27.01 | gigo | i want to change my keyboard layout to dvorak. please help |
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| 19:27.28 | pasquale | hansad, ok im here.. |
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| 19:27.43 | pasquale | hansad, so it was a problem related to the drivers |
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| 19:28.32 | hansad | pasquale |
| 19:28.41 | hansad | and i said that you should backup y our current xorg.conf file now |
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| 19:28.52 | pasquale | ok |
| 19:29.02 | pasquale | what`s the command to do it ? |
| 19:29.05 | hansad | you would need to do some installation and stuff to get nvidia working properly which would simply overwrite your complete xorg.conf file |
| 19:29.20 | hansad | pasquale: just use the copy command and create a copy of your current file. |
| 19:29.26 | hansad | cd /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:29.28 | hansad | oops |
| 19:29.30 | hansad | not that |
| 19:29.32 | pasquale | okok |
| 19:29.33 | hansad | cd /etc/X11 |
| 19:29.37 | pasquale | okay |
| 19:29.39 | hansad | cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.nv |
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| 19:30.05 | pasquale | done |
| 19:30.26 | hansad | in case later due to your trials to get nvidia working if your xorg.conf gets screwed completely, you can simply restore your xorg.conf from xorg.conf.nv |
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| 19:30.32 | hansad | cp xorg.conf.nv xorg.conf in that case |
| 19:30.56 | hansad | i would even suggest that you mail xorg.conf.nv to yourself in case you accidentally lose the backup too. :-) |
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| 19:32.43 | gigo | i want to change my keyboard layout to dvorak. please help |
| 19:33.06 | EmleyMoor | gigo: X or console? US Dvorak or some other? |
| 19:33.13 | gigo | EmleyMoor, both |
| 19:33.22 | gigo | isn't there only one tpe of dvorak? |
| 19:33.26 | gigo | type* |
| 19:33.44 | EmleyMoor | No, there are several |
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| 19:33.59 | gigo | then US Dvorak |
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| 19:34.08 | gigo | as I currently us US english keyboard |
| 19:34.13 | gigo | US qwerty i mean |
| 19:34.30 | pasquale | hansad, ok thanks |
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| 19:34.48 | pasquale | hansad, so what should i do now to make it work correctly and be able to play games, etc.. |
| 19:35.07 | pasquale | im been trying to install the nvidia drivers with the debian method |
| 19:35.12 | pasquale | it didn`t work though |
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| 19:35.30 | pasquale | i did install already glx and stuff |
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| 19:35.40 | EmleyMoor | In console, loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/dvorak/dvorak.kmap.gz should do it (there may be a shorter form) |
| 19:35.58 | EmleyMoor | Are you using gnome? |
| 19:36.02 | gigo | yes, gnome |
| 19:36.45 | EmleyMoor | System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layouts -> Add... |
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| 19:36.54 | solitron | gigo, I use Programmer Dvorak |
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| 19:37.05 | gigo | what is programmer dvorak? |
| 19:37.21 | solitron | a dvorak layout changed for programming needs |
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| 19:37.45 | solitron | easier for programming in another words |
| 19:37.49 | EmleyMoor | Choose USA, Classic Dvorak for the ordinary one |
| 19:37.57 | EmleyMoor | I use British Dvorak |
| 19:39.10 | gigo | i heard in classic dvorak the number keys are arranged differently, they are scrambled |
| 19:39.22 | gigo | it is the dvorak keymap that has the number keys in ascending order |
| 19:39.36 | gigo | i did the loadkeys command, but my keyboard still works like qwerty |
| 19:39.55 | gigo | do i have to do some relaod or something? |
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| 19:40.28 | EmleyMoor | gigo: That only affects console |
| 19:40.51 | gigo | yes, there is no change even in that console? |
| 19:40.52 | solitron | gigo, loadkeys is for the console, you need setxkbmap dvorak for X |
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| 19:41.08 | EmleyMoor | Ah, yes, you mean just Dvorak |
| 19:41.15 | motioncontrol | good evening.i have one proble whit debian 5.0 and rtai 3.7.1 one 2 maschine the sistem is no stable because? |
| 19:41.26 | pasquale | hansad, btw how come the language and keyboard settings changed |
| 19:41.28 | gigo | there is also an ANSI-dvorak. don't know how that is differnt. |
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| 19:41.42 | pasquale | it was italian now its english, and also my keyboard changed as i said |
| 19:41.46 | gigo | how can I change it back to qwerty later? |
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| 19:42.28 | EmleyMoor | gigo: You can have both enabled in X and a selector at the top of the screen |
| 19:42.33 | solitron | gigo, adding the keyboard indicator applet to the top panel in gnome makes it easier |
| 19:42.54 | EmleyMoor | I have both on this as David uses it - Dvorak only on my laptop |
| 19:43.37 | gigo | both meaning what and what? |
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| 19:43.54 | Caelum | where is the gnome channel? |
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| 19:43.57 | gigo | will I forget qwerty if I start using dvorak. can a person remember both qwerty and dvorak? |
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| 19:44.06 | Caelum | gigo: yes that's what I hear |
| 19:44.07 | EmleyMoor | British QWERTY and British Dvorak |
| 19:44.10 | Caelum | gigo: you can use both |
| 19:44.27 | ecadre | Caelum, ##gnome |
| 19:44.31 | EmleyMoor | I prefer to stick to Dvorak but some happily switch |
| 19:44.38 | Caelum | ecadre: thank you |
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| 19:45.32 | pasquale | i was trying to install the nvidia drivers with the debian method, then i was installing the module-assistant, when: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
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| 19:47.19 | Cycom | it looks like b43 doesn't work correctly on 5.0 with the bcm4312. can anyone confirm this? |
| 19:47.54 | Cycom | specifically, the bcm4312 rev 1 |
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| 19:49.05 | express | debian |
| 19:50.05 | pasquale | http://pastebin.com/m5bf5cdc3 << |
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| 19:51.51 | magyar_ | anyone using maildrop? |
| 19:55.51 | SPF | I have a question related to named.conf I want to forward DNS requests that do not resolv to the local domains. http://pastebin.com/m54291ebf |
| 19:56.26 | SPF | I think forward first and forward only are not the solution |
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| 19:58.30 | SerajewelKS | pasquale: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:59.15 | pasquale | SerajewelKS, solved thx |
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| 20:01.14 | SPF | sorry, I entered the wrong ip for dns :/ |
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| 20:04.47 | FloridaGuy | installing debian 5 on partitioning...witch partition do i want to trun boot on...my windows or my / |
| 20:05.37 | zeeble | eh? you install the bootloader to the boot sector of the hard disk |
| 20:05.59 | zeeble | and it will typically find your windows partition and allow you to boot either linux or windows. |
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| 20:06.36 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 20:07.02 | eptalon | whence would I get the headers package for my current kernel? (sid, 2.6.28) |
| 20:07.48 | FloridaGuy | so i dont need the boot flags |
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| 20:08.28 | eptalon | FloridaGuy: only on the partition you boot from, and even then some bootloaders do without |
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| 20:08.53 | s4a | when you file a bug report and the answer is that it is fixed in the FTP archive or sumtin but u dont see anything fixed, does that mean itll be fixed but not soon or it means if you want stable application you have to find your software out of the repositories? |
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| 20:09.29 | FloridaGuy | eptalon, i have windows on hda1 and puting making hda2 / for debian |
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| 20:10.05 | FloridaGuy | eptalon, so hda1 and hda2 would be what im booting from then right |
| 20:10.33 | eptalon | FloridaGuy: yes, but I strongly advice ot have at least /boot and /home on separate partitions. |
| 20:11.21 | FloridaGuy | eptalon, i have /windows / /swap /home /saved |
| 20:11.49 | pasquale | how to stop the graphic server? |
| 20:12.14 | eptalon | pasquale: /etc/init.d/xdm (or wdm, or kdm) stop |
| 20:12.26 | pasquale | ok thx |
| 20:12.39 | jelly | !nodm |
| 20:12.39 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 20:12.47 | eptalon | pasquale: or ctrl-alt-backspace to kill it. |
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| 20:12.59 | jelly | eptalon: a dm restarts X |
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| 20:13.53 | dronar | I'm having troubles moving files from one harddrive to another over ftp. It works fine over ssh. Any ideas? ("Invalid cross-device link") - using pure-ftpd |
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| 20:14.30 | eptalon | FloridaGuy: plus with capacities we have now, /boot (as ext3), rest for logical volume manager, and then make logical volumes. |
| 20:14.53 | eptalon | dronar: scp? |
| 20:14.54 | giovani | eptalon: /boot shouldn't be journaled |
| 20:15.04 | eptalon | giovani: why? |
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| 20:15.38 | FloridaGuy | windows is the primary partition...everything eles is logical |
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| 20:16.10 | toshiba510cdt | i have a booting delay problem on my ancient Pentium 133 MHz laptop running Lenny. can anyone help me? details are to be found on http://pastebin.ca/1350201 |
| 20:16.16 | giovani | eptalon: journal takes up space -- boot partition is usually size-cramped as it is -- doesn't provide anything worthwhile |
| 20:16.18 | toshiba510cdt | please see also http://pastebin.ca/1350408 |
| 20:16.43 | dronar | eptalon: I want to be able to move files over ftp since i'm not the only one to use the server |
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| 20:17.00 | eptalon | giovani: /dev/md0 942M 50M 845M 6% /boot |
| 20:17.18 | giovani | eptalon: congrats? |
| 20:17.27 | eptalon | dronar: the usual thing is download-upload |
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| 20:17.47 | s4a | what does it mean when a maintainer of application answers to bug report ---> Is due to be in FTP Archive (or something like that) |
| 20:17.49 | eptalon | giovani: its still an ext3 (on a RAID5) |
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| 20:17.56 | DB42 | hi, if i install something via dpkg or apt-get and the .deb package override a pre-existing file in the system, when i uninstall the package, what will happen ? |
| 20:17.59 | giovani | eptalon: ok? |
| 20:18.16 | dronar | well, what does "the usual thing" has to do with my problem? |
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| 20:18.52 | eptalon | dronar: you want to move a file on the server from one dir to another? |
| 20:19.24 | dronar | well yes, but the dirs are on different harddrivres |
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| 20:19.43 | eptalon | dronar: from ftp you dont see that. |
| 20:20.36 | DB42 | hi, if i install something via dpkg or apt-get and the .deb package override a pre-existing file in the system, when i uninstall the package, what will happen ? will the file be deleted on uninstall ? revert to the previous version ? will be left untouched ? |
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| 20:21.09 | SerajewelKS | s4a: it means it's already fixed and is in the process of being released |
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| 20:22.04 | s4a | SerajewelKS, "in the process of being released" means released on the same stability branch? (like if I filed something in Lenny, it will be fixed in Lenny and not like in sid?) |
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| 20:22.18 | dronar | eptalon: what are you talking about? |
| 20:22.33 | s4a | SerajewelKS, and not like in sid instead* |
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| 20:22.59 | dronar | of course you don't see that the folders are on different drives |
| 20:23.18 | dronar | but there is a problem when you try to move a file from one dir to another |
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| 20:27.15 | vilemaxim | I'm trying to write a scrip that can filter for text between 2 pattern in a text file, can egrep do that? if not what would you use. |
| 20:27.39 | vilemaxim | if egrep can, how? |
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| 20:31.59 | Brusca | hi, I installed lenny using this iso: debian-500-i386-netinst. GRUB2 is not installed by default but normal GRUB. I was told its possible to install GRUB to by using export mode. My question now.. how? |
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| 20:32.42 | hjb | Brusca what's wrong with normal grub? |
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| 20:33.09 | Brusca | hjb, my soft raid0 drives are not recognized by normal grub |
| 20:33.35 | hjb | Brusca oh, ok. so you're not able to boot the freshly installed sys? |
| 20:33.40 | Brusca | true |
| 20:34.02 | Brusca | if you can offer me an alternative solution i will be very happy as well |
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| 20:34.40 | hjb | Brusca why not boot with the cd, mount the /, chroot into, and then replace grub with grub2? |
| 20:35.04 | enouf | Brusca: normal grub woulnd't be available if it wouldn't work (as such, if /boot is on lvm) |
| 20:35.06 | hjb | i see no need to install the whole system a second time |
| 20:35.12 | DB42 | hi, if i install something via dpkg or apt-get and the .deb package override a pre-existing file in the system, when i uninstall the package, what will happen ? will the file be deleted on uninstall ? revert to the previous version ? will be left untouched ? |
| 20:35.24 | enouf | Brusca: your raid0 is windows made? |
| 20:35.25 | pasquale- | where can i find xorg? |
| 20:35.32 | pasquale- | which directory |
| 20:35.42 | stew | DB42: it will be deleted |
| 20:35.58 | enouf | pasquale-: updatedb ; locate xorg.conf |
| 20:36.05 | stew | DB42: but note that if the "pre-eisting file in the system" was also from a .deb, you would be notified before installing and overwriting |
| 20:36.12 | dkr | DB42: slightly different if it is a config file or not. and whether you use remove or purge |
| 20:36.12 | DB42 | stew: do i have any sane option to revert to previous version ? |
| 20:36.53 | stew | DB42: no, unless it is a conffile |
| 20:36.54 | DB42 | basically i'll need to implment a post / pre installation script that backsup/restore it ? |
| 20:36.59 | Brusca | enouf, my raid0 is made in de bios. But windows is installed on the raid drives and Debian is installed on a separate disk. Still i cant boot because my drives are recognized differently than during installation time |
| 20:37.02 | enouf | pasquale-: it's in /etc/X11/ , but man xorg.conf -- see Files sections |
| 20:37.11 | stew | DB42: is this a package you are creating? |
| 20:37.17 | DB42 | stew: yes |
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| 20:37.26 | pasquale- | enouf thx it got stuck doing updatdb lol |
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| 20:37.34 | pasquale- | i was installing the graphic drivers.. |
| 20:37.39 | stew | DB42: well, first off, what is the situation where this might happen? |
| 20:37.40 | enouf | Brusca: you don't need your raid0 windows fakeraid bios to boot debian |
| 20:38.15 | stew | DB42: if you are going to be providing a file that might already exist, you should be declaring a Conflicts/Replaces relationship with the other package |
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| 20:39.02 | Brusca | true I dont need the raid0 setting. But its also stupid to turn raid off every time I want to start debian. |
| 20:39.08 | stew | DB42: and it might be appropriate to use dpkg-divert |
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| 20:39.17 | DB42 | stew: dpkg-divert? |
| 20:39.27 | stew | yes |
| 20:39.35 | DB42 | well the other files are installed not frmo .deb but come with the system preinstalled |
| 20:39.43 | stew | DB42: what files? |
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| 20:40.12 | DB42 | it's not a debian system, it's a custom made |
| 20:40.17 | pasquale- | enouf solved |
| 20:40.25 | enouf | pasquale-: updatedb is rough (on the HDDs) - i'd install dlocate ; run update-dlocatedb ; dlocate xorg.conf (likewise, use "whereis", or "apropos" or "which") - also dpkg -S filename |
| 20:40.46 | lepine_w | Hi guys, i just upgraded yet another machine from etch to lenny. Now my apache vhosts don't work. I saw the problem on another machine, i cant recall what i did to fix it. I do remember it was a stupid one liner. What happens is that whatever vhost i try to access, i get the default one. |
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| 20:41.17 | lepine_w | eg, "It works" |
| 20:41.20 | stew | lepine_w: are they in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ or just in sites-available? |
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| 20:41.33 | lepine_w | stew: yes, it's there |
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| 20:41.59 | enouf | Brusca: learn how to tweak our BIOS settings, disk port placement, boot order, etc - otherwise complain to your Vendor, or boot another way |
| 20:42.05 | pasquale- | enouf, same problem as earlier |
| 20:42.05 | enouf | s/our/your/ |
| 20:42.11 | stew | lepine_w: are they relying on some module being enabled such as mod_rewrite? |
| 20:42.16 | lepine_w | nope |
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| 20:42.31 | pasquale- | after i installed the drivers and i change "nv" with "nvidia" it freezes again |
| 20:42.59 | pasquale- | (after the login screen) |
| 20:43.14 | pasquale- | i did it with the debian method |
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| 20:43.26 | enouf | pasquale-: do you see the nvidia splash come up? |
| 20:43.33 | pasquale- | enouf nop |
| 20:43.37 | enouf | not good |
| 20:43.46 | lepine_w | i'll go grep my config on the one i fixed ... |
| 20:43.53 | pasquale- | enouf, it doesnt show up, either when i write nvidia-settings, it says command not found |
| 20:44.05 | enouf | pasquale-: what's in /etc/modprobe.d/nv* ? |
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| 20:44.14 | pasquale- | ill check |
| 20:44.31 | pasquale- | though now im not able to go into the graphic server anymore, cause it freezes |
| 20:44.42 | pasquale- | (im using the laptop with windows right now) |
| 20:45.03 | log69 | pasquale, did you install the NVIDIA manually? are you sure you chose the right one? Did you have the kernel headers and did the installer go successful? |
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| 20:45.39 | pasquale- | log69, i start to doubt |
| 20:46.09 | log69 | pasquale, check this site out: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 20:47.14 | Tapout | when you do; aptitude update and it returns ; "Current status: 1 update [+1]." ... is there a better way to see what it wants to update than ; aptitude full-upgrade and answer y es/now? |
| 20:47.17 | Tapout | yes/no |
| 20:48.32 | arezey | tapout, aptitude -s full-upgrade ? |
| 20:48.33 | pasquale- | log69, ok thx, how do i know which version of the drivers should be installed? |
| 20:49.05 | pasquale- | (ive an nvidia geforce 8600 GT) |
| 20:49.07 | log69 | pasquale, give this command to a terminal: "lspci | grep -i vga" |
| 20:49.09 | Tapout | arezey, ya probably that's what it is |
| 20:49.18 | pasquale- | ok |
| 20:49.19 | sladi | pasquale-: you need the new ones 173 or 180 |
| 20:49.25 | Tapout | arezey, easier to yes/no it... figured there may be a way to always show all updates at the end, instead of the summary |
| 20:49.26 | log69 | i'll check |
| 20:49.54 | arezey | tapout, hmm |
| 20:50.05 | log69 | pasquale, this is supposed to work: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.29/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.29-pkg1.run |
| 20:50.09 | sladi | pasquale-: at nvidia's site there should be info about supported cards and issues |
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| 20:50.15 | log69 | if you plan to install it under a 32 bit debian |
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| 20:50.38 | pasquale- | log69, ok |
| 20:50.52 | sladi | pasquale-: I use a 8600gt on 64bit and both version worked |
| 20:50.58 | pasquale- | log69, so ive to do it the nvidia's way? |
| 20:51.05 | log69 | yes |
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| 20:51.13 | sladi | no |
| 20:51.25 | pasquale- | sladi i see, did u have problems with it in the start? |
| 20:51.40 | log69 | pasquale, install needed packages (kernel-headers + build-essentials) |
| 20:51.43 | pasquale- | my screen keeps getting frozen.. |
| 20:51.49 | pasquale- | log69, i did that |
| 20:52.02 | pasquale- | i just finished doing it now with m-a |
| 20:52.08 | log69 | pasquale, then turn off X and the run the NVIDIA installer |
| 20:52.28 | log69 | pasquale, the installer should change your xorg.conf too |
| 20:52.32 | pasquale- | nvidia-settings? |
| 20:52.44 | sladi | pasquale-: it worked fine |
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| 20:52.57 | pasquale- | when i give nvidia-settings it doesn't work |
| 20:53.28 | pasquale- | it just says command not found, that's why im getting confused, cause i did it already but it doesnt work |
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| 20:53.52 | log69 | pasquale, the m-a way is different then the Nvidia way and with that you will get the GLX driver which is much slower, i suggest you to remove the freshly compiled nvidia kernel module, and install everything the Nvidia way |
| 20:54.11 | pasquale- | alright |
| 20:54.12 | chomwitt | in lenny i see that a gnome-keyring runs, but i have a seahorse app installed for default. are they the same thing? |
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| 20:54.25 | pasquale- | log69, how do i remove everything now? |
| 20:54.33 | pasquale- | ive no idea about how that |
| 20:54.55 | sladi | pasquale-: nvidia-setings is an extra package to install |
| 20:55.12 | pasquale- | ya i did that as well |
| 20:55.32 | pasquale- | though it didnt work and i dont even see the splash screen of nvidia when i start x |
| 20:55.37 | log69 | pasquale, run this "dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia" - hopyfully it lists the package that has just been installed, that one you can remove with the "apt-get remove packagename" command |
| 20:55.47 | enouf | pasquale-: lsmod | grep nv |
| 20:56.03 | pasquale- | uhm which one of that 2? |
| 20:56.14 | enouf | all |
| 20:56.19 | pasquale- | ok |
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| 20:56.46 | enouf | nothing will happen without the kernel module built and installed correctly |
| 20:56.46 | lepine_w | i got it ... and don't know what it was ... again |
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| 20:57.14 | enouf | pasquale-: also "grep nv /etc/modules" |
| 20:57.56 | pasquale- | ok |
| 20:58.03 | pasquale- | and then i install it the nvidia way? |
| 20:58.20 | enouf | well .. i'm just seeking info - others are instructing you |
| 20:59.00 | enouf | but i also sense my input is just adding to more confusion you have |
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| 20:59.34 | pasquale- | i did what you guys said |
| 20:59.50 | log69 | ok, what's the outcome? :) |
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| 21:00.21 | pasquale- | im trying to get into gdm now |
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| 21:00.59 | log69 | pasquale, could you finally run the NVIDIA installer and did it show the blueish screen where it compiled the kernel module? |
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| 21:01.12 | pasquale- | log69 nope |
| 21:01.25 | Ace2017_- | pasquale-: how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 21:01.57 | pasquale- | Ace2017_- the debian way |
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| 21:02.25 | pasquale- | anyway now after i login with the graphic server my screen gets frozen and i cannot do anything |
| 21:03.00 | mib_s1rtoz1j | hello, I have configured the http_proxy environment variable in order to connect apt thruog the proxy, but I have a authentication problem I think because the user of my proxy is like 'domain\user' , I'm doing this: #export http_proxy="http://domain\user:password@domain.com:80" but I receive an authentication error, any clue? |
| 21:03.04 | pasquale- | that's what i want to fix, i still don't get why that happened, somebody said it was because of the drivers |
| 21:03.31 | Ace2017_- | pasquale-: install nvidia-kernel-source, module assistant, kernel headers and build essentials, then m-a a-i nvidia? |
| 21:03.43 | log69 | i just see there is a package named "nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64" - did you guys use it before? I've never and i wonder this might be the easiest way to install? |
| 21:04.27 | log69 | apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 21:04.45 | mib_s1rtoz1j | can somebody help me please? |
| 21:04.51 | pasquale- | log69, now i can't get into the graphic server anymore :-/ |
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| 21:05.18 | pasquale- | everything freezes |
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| 21:05.21 | log69 | pasquale, yeah because that's mixed up now i guess |
| 21:05.38 | pasquale- | log69, i had that earlier too |
| 21:05.49 | pasquale- | that is why i wanted to install the drivers, to solve that |
| 21:06.13 | log69 | i would remove all the things you installed, and then restart everyhting - you can check out the /var/log/dpkg.log file to see what have been installed - and then you can remove those packages easily with apt-get remove command |
| 21:06.24 | newsense_ | im using the 173.14 drivers provided by the packages nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 and my onboard 8200 works ok i guess, think i'll get better performance with a different driver ? |
| 21:06.39 | pasquale- | ok |
| 21:06.52 | log69 | newsense, yes you would get MUCH better performance with the NVIDIA-'s binary |
| 21:07.17 | newsense_ | log69: cool i'm going to try it, i want to play cs source in wine but i get like 9 fps |
| 21:07.20 | newsense_ | haha |
| 21:07.55 | log69 | newsense, yes, that is what you get with GLX, just remove it properly and install the NVIDIA binary - you should get normal windows-like fps ;) |
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| 21:08.13 | newsense_ | log69: great news thank you so much :) |
| 21:08.41 | pasquale- | log69, i also have glx |
| 21:08.42 | newsense_ | im reading the instructions on the debian wiki now for installing nvidias drivers :) |
| 21:08.59 | log69 | great, it's supposed to work (we'll hope) |
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| 21:10.07 | log69 | pasquale, if you want to use your nvidia card for 3D too, then i suggest you to try to install the Nvidia binary - cause GLX is much slower - and if you don't need any 3D, then i wouldn't bother with it in your place, just i would use the open source "nv" driver |
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| 21:12.19 | newsense_ | it was really easy to install the glx driver but the performance isn't great, hoping to have better luck with the nvidia drivers, i agree with ya 100% log69 about not wasting your time with the glx drivers |
| 21:12.23 | Ace2017_- | the nv deiver is blazing fast at 2D, firefox was awesome |
| 21:12.48 | Ace2017_- | newsense_: the glx driver is the nvidia driver |
| 21:12.55 | newsense_ | is it |
| 21:12.57 | log69 | i also prefer the opensource nv driver over the closed one if 3D is not necessary |
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| 21:13.08 | Ace2017_- | newsense_: yes |
| 21:13.16 | newsense_ | than whats the difference between the debian packaged one and nvidias |
| 21:13.25 | dokma | hey guys. anyone using pdnsd ? |
| 21:13.28 | log69 | the glx driver is _also_ nvidia, just it is not built by them and missing some parts, that's why it's different |
| 21:13.38 | newsense_ | oh ok |
| 21:14.08 | pasquale- | log69 |
| 21:14.17 | log69 | Nvidia did not release all the driver, that's why you should choose their binary if you want to get the most out of your card |
| 21:14.25 | pasquale- | have u any idea of how many things ive in /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 21:14.29 | Ace2017_- | log69: but the one in the repo doesn't rewrite lots of files, and when a package is updated the driver breaks |
| 21:14.29 | newsense_ | i guess this is where i'm on my own, time to test out the nvidia binary |
| 21:14.38 | pasquale- | u'd get crazy just looking at it lol |
| 21:14.45 | Ace2017_- | newsense_: wait, avoid 180.35 |
| 21:14.50 | log69 | Ace, that's right |
| 21:15.05 | Ace2017_- | it'll crash your session on logout, try 180.29 |
| 21:15.06 | newsense_ | what version would you guys recommend ? |
| 21:15.13 | newsense_ | ok great, thanks |
| 21:15.15 | log69 | Ace, you have to manually reinstall the Nvidia binary everythime the kernel is updated |
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| 21:15.42 | Ace2017_- | newsense_: what debian version are you using? |
| 21:15.58 | newsense_ | i don't mind reinstalling it after every kernel update as long as i have a shot at playing cs source :) |
| 21:16.04 | newsense_ | squeeze |
| 21:16.10 | pasquale- | log69, sry for bothering, just i dont know anymore what to do now |
| 21:16.14 | pasquale- | cause my session crashes |
| 21:16.18 | newsense_ | Ace2017_-: squeeze |
| 21:16.19 | Ace2017_- | newsense_: and also after everg update of an xorg file |
| 21:16.26 | Ace2017_- | every* |
| 21:16.37 | Ace2017_- | newsense_: and also after every update of an xorg package |
| 21:16.44 | newsense_ | Ace2017_-: i guess ya gotta pay to play :) |
| 21:16.50 | log69 | pasquale, isn't reinstalling the whole system an alternative for you? and then the easy Nvidia way? |
| 21:17.21 | pasquale- | i already reinstalled 5 times yesterday, i'd love if i could avoid that |
| 21:17.25 | newsense_ | Ace2017_-: thanks for the heads up, now i know what im getting myself into |
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| 21:17.40 | Ace2017_- | newsense_: actually you'd be better off using nvidia drivers from sid |
| 21:18.31 | log69 | pasquale, as i see it would be harder for you to try to figure out how to manually resotre your system and kernel things now, rather than reinstall, so maybe reinstall would be easier |
| 21:18.49 | newsense_ | Ace2017_-: ya think the performance will be a lot better, right now with the nvidia drivers in debian im getting like 9-21fps in cs source,i just want a driver that may give me better results |
| 21:18.56 | pasquale- | log69, yea i see.. what happens if i just install the nvidia way now? |
| 21:19.15 | log69 | pasquale, try it out, nothing worse can happen ;) |
| 21:19.23 | pasquale- | hehe yea i guess |
| 21:19.31 | log69 | pasquale, try this out just before that: |
| 21:19.32 | pasquale- | log69, may i tell u something else |
| 21:19.44 | newsense_ | Ace2017_-: i don't even care how much of a pain it will be to install and maintain the drivers as long as i have a shot at getting more fps |
| 21:19.55 | pasquale- | after yesterday i installed debian 5.0 lenny, it didnt want to get me into the graphic server |
| 21:19.57 | log69 | su ; cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep -i installed | tail -n 30 |
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| 21:20.11 | Ace2017_- | newsense_: what graphics card is it? |
| 21:20.20 | pasquale- | it kept saying "setting screen modes and fonts" |
| 21:20.23 | enouf | pasquale-: were you the one that required a vga=791 entry to kernel line? |
| 21:20.32 | pasquale- | enouf yeah it's me |
| 21:20.36 | newsense_ | Ace2017_-: its an onboard 8200 |
| 21:20.47 | newsense_ | Ace2017_-: 512mb shared ram |
| 21:20.56 | pasquale- | enouf we solved that way yesterday, just i can't play any game |
| 21:21.05 | pasquale- | it looks ugly and slow lol |
| 21:21.19 | Ace2017_- | newsense_: did you need to disable compiz/kde4 effects? |
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| 21:21.42 | enouf | pasquale-: i know ... but something is wrong somewhere - maybe a BIOS setting, or Video Card (or RAM) isn't seated properly, or something |
| 21:21.42 | newsense_ | Ace2017_-: no |
| 21:21.52 | sladi | newsense_: your card is slow |
| 21:22.26 | newsense_ | sladi: is it, man when i bought the board iwas just hoping it would be enough to play cs source |
| 21:22.30 | newsense_ | dam |
| 21:22.31 | pasquale- | enouf ah i see |
| 21:22.36 | pasquale- | how to check that? |
| 21:22.43 | Ace2017_- | sladi: unreal tournament can be played on a 7025 so i think CS will play on that fine |
| 21:22.47 | Ace2017_- | ut2004 |
| 21:22.51 | sladi | newsense_: another driver won't help much for games but videio playback got better with vdpau iirc |
| 21:22.52 | log69 | newsense, i think it should be good enouhg to get more fps than what you mentioned before |
| 21:22.59 | Ace2017_- | newsense_: also the 180.xx drivers are considerably better than the 173.xx drivers in squeezy |
| 21:23.30 | sladi | newsense_: jus guessibg shared ram is very slow compared to graphics ram |
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| 21:23.42 | enouf | log69: if you care, yesterday; pasquale- needed to add a vga=791 option just to get past the area of booting which mentions (in /var/log/boot, once bootlogd is enabled); |
| 21:23.46 | Ace2017_- | newsense_: did you try with disabled effects? |
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| 21:23.58 | newsense_ | great, i guess i'll give it a shot, if it doesn't perform the way i was hoping at least i have pcie on this board and i din't on my old one so if i need to get a better card i guess i can |
| 21:24.10 | log69 | enouf, i see, so there were more problems before |
| 21:24.11 | newsense_ | Ace2017_-: yeah i tried in kde 3.5 also |
| 21:24.41 | enouf | log69: http://rafb.net/p/biTNhn67.html |
| 21:25.07 | log69 | i see |
| 21:25.09 | enouf | log69: well .. who knows - he also pastebinned his /var/log/installer/hardware-summary at one point |
| 21:25.30 | enouf | log69: he has pastebinit installed |
| 21:25.45 | log69 | ok |
| 21:26.27 | log69 | ok guys, gotta go, good luck with the drivers :) |
| 21:26.32 | pasquale- | enouf, now after i login normally with the graphic server, it gets stuck there |
| 21:26.38 | enouf | log69: we also tried nvidiafb.blacklist=1 rivafb.blacklist=1 along with vga=791, and it seems the vga= one was the real one that helped |
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| 21:27.14 | enouf | log69: we also tried nvidiafb.blacklist=yes rivafb.blacklist=yes ... (not =1) |
| 21:27.20 | pasquale- | enouf, he left |
| 21:27.58 | enouf | pasquale-: is that a PCIe card? or AGP? |
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| 21:28.12 | pasquale- | enouf i dont know to be honest |
| 21:28.13 | enouf | guesses PCIe |
| 21:28.18 | pasquale- | how do i check it? |
| 21:28.43 | enouf | pasquale-: you need to show people your specific hardware info - install lshw ; /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
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| 21:29.14 | enouf | pasquale-: also lspci -nnk ; cat /var/log/dmesg <-- pastebin |
| 21:29.34 | pasquale- | enouf ok |
| 21:29.35 | Rothgar | What is the difference between all these etc/rc*'s? |
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| 21:29.43 | enouf | pasquale-: lshw will make a nice html output file |
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| 21:30.00 | enouf | !tell Rothgar -about runlevels |
| 21:30.03 | pasquale- | okay |
| 21:30.15 | pasquale- | so what do i do, which command? |
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| 21:30.50 | enouf | what's my hardware |
| 21:30.54 | enouf | er |
| 21:30.55 | pasquale- | lspci -nnk |
| 21:31.12 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.21 | pasquale- | kk |
| 21:31.25 | enouf | as root, naturally |
| 21:31.57 | pasquale- | going to do that |
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| 21:33.05 | enouf | pasquale-: before i forget, is windows also installed? everything work fine within windows? |
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| 21:33.22 | dustybin | is anybody here a purist in more than 1 distro? |
| 21:33.48 | dustybin | ie. do you know debian as well as RHEL ? |
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| 21:34.45 | pasquale- | enouf, i did it |
| 21:35.12 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:35.29 | pasquale- | enouf, what shoud happen now? |
| 21:35.29 | adb | oops, sorry |
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| 21:36.11 | enouf | pasquale-: view the file named myhardware.html in any browser you like, on any OS you like |
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| 21:36.28 | enouf | pasquale-: you did what? |
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| 21:36.41 | pasquale- | i did: lshw -html > myhardware.html |
| 21:36.50 | hipodilski | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.52 | enouf | pasquale-: airmail your system - i'll fix it for free -- really |
| 21:36.53 | hipodilski | ops sorry |
| 21:36.58 | enouf | pasquale-: just pay for shipping |
| 21:37.05 | smokingrope | I just ran an apt-get install -s bzip2 and it says it is going to remove gcc and apache from my system, can anyone explain why? |
| 21:37.27 | pasquale- | lol enouf xd |
| 21:37.50 | pasquale- | enouf, i didnt have to do that or ? |
| 21:38.02 | jamon | smokingrope: pastebin "apt-get update && apt-get install -s bzip2" |
| 21:38.18 | Gnu_Raiz | anyone using a PII on the forums still. |
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| 21:38.20 | pasquale- | enouf, im guessing it made a file called myhardware.html, just where is it ? |
| 21:38.24 | smokingrope | jamon: k |
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| 21:39.09 | enouf | pasquale-: echo $PWD |
| 21:39.21 | Gnu_Raiz | Lenny saved the day, had to take a class, the teacher ran out of laptops, and I used my old x20 thinkpad to get the job done. |
| 21:39.28 | enouf | ls -l ./myhardware.html |
| 21:39.43 | Gnu_Raiz | this allowed another person to have a laptop. |
| 21:39.50 | enouf | if you were root user, look in /root/* |
| 21:40.20 | Gnu_Raiz | I did have to install Opera on it, and took me five minutes to figure out apt-key, kept missing the dash - at the end. |
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| 21:40.55 | enouf | Gnu_Raiz: i use p2s |
| 21:41.11 | enouf | what's a forums? |
| 21:41.16 | Gnu_Raiz | Cool this machine has a P3, am sure it's the oldest in this class. |
| 21:41.26 | Gnu_Raiz | also one of the smallest. |
| 21:42.01 | smokingrope | jamon: http://debian.pastebin.com/d76de3f60 |
| 21:42.06 | enouf | i have a stinkpad uses a celeron |
| 21:42.07 | rgr | anyone here successfully built mail-notification from source? I cant get it to include the imap option in the config. |
| 21:42.09 | Gnu_Raiz | P3 600, with 320 mb mem. |
| 21:42.11 | s4a | i filed a bug report for lenny and it shows this on the side (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/version.cgi?info=1;absolute=0;collapse=1;found=gnome-applets%2F2.22.3-3;package=gnome-applets) .... what does that mean? |
| 21:42.21 | enouf | mine was 500/128 |
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| 21:42.39 | enouf | nope, sorry 500/160 |
| 21:42.53 | enouf | (built in, hardwired 32MB module) |
| 21:42.53 | Gnu_Raiz | This machine makes a good netbook, it was a netbook before netbooks were invented. |
| 21:43.07 | pasquale- | enouf, what do i do with that file now ? |
| 21:43.26 | enouf | pasquale-: pastebin it? post it somewhere? |
| 21:43.33 | pasquale- | enouf its long |
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| 21:43.37 | Gnu_Raiz | The only reason I had to install Opera, was the site did a browser check, and would not allow Iceweasel. |
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| 21:43.39 | pasquale- | big i mean |
| 21:43.52 | Gnu_Raiz | it wanted a Xyz browser. |
| 21:43.59 | jamon | smokingrope: looks like you're still running etch first off, second only -dev packages are marked for removal, the uupgrades scrtion shows apache is marked for upgrading |
| 21:44.09 | jamon | smokingrope: so you want to do a dist-upgrade to lenny first |
| 21:44.17 | enouf | pasquale-: it shouldn't be - not when formatted in html - but really, i think this was a silly idea on my partt- i like Text only |
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| 21:44.22 | Gnu_Raiz | Even Konqueror did not do it, as I changed the identity, but would not work. |
| 21:44.35 | jamon | smokingrope: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 21:44.44 | pasquale- | enouf lols ok |
| 21:44.53 | Gnu_Raiz | So now I am just chilling using up time while a coworker finishes his stuff. |
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| 21:45.47 | smokingrope | jamon: cat /etc/issue: 'Debain GNU/Linux 5.0' |
| 21:45.56 | smokingrope | isn't that lenny? |
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| 21:46.20 | jamon | looks partway done then, your apt-get updates shows etch security updates |
| 21:46.37 | smokingrope | hm |
| 21:46.41 | Rothgar | enouf: Thanks that was a good article I read somewhere you should rename the scripts as 100-N where N was the S number, is this really necessary? I thought I read it in the Debian doco? |
| 21:47.19 | pasquale | enouf, http://pastebin.com/m7fc0c24b |
| 21:47.20 | smokingrope | i remember upgrading, perhaps it didn't update sources.list? |
| 21:47.23 | enouf | Rothgar: see the urls, from /msg dpkg rcconf ; /msg dpkg startup ; /msg dpkg update-rc.d ; /msg dpkg reference |
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| 21:48.06 | enouf | Rothgar: SNN == start , KNN == kill |
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| 21:48.17 | Rothgar | enouf: Yeah I know that |
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| 21:48.56 | Rothgar | But I think I read in the Debian documentation that you should when renaming S scripts to K make them 100-N where N was the S number |
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| 21:49.26 | Rothgar | Then when you change them back the same thing so in Effect S20 becomes K80 and when you change it back K80 becomes S20 etc |
| 21:49.43 | jaalto | Is anyone using Opera? How can I configure the mouse wheel to scroll one *page* at a time? Now it only scrolls 3, which is too little. |
| 21:49.57 | enouf | pasquale: ok, atleast some good info is there ; albeit messy format, since you didn't upload as html ; http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m7fc0c24b |
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| 21:51.14 | Rothgar | It doesn't look like this is "Necessary" it's just script order, but maybe it's just good practise so the Kill scripts are executed last or at least at a later interval than 20 |
| 21:51.53 | enouf | Rothgar: it's a bit weird, the KNN arent ever run |
| 21:52.15 | Rothgar | Are you sure? |
| 21:52.20 | enouf | Rothgar: even most in rc[0,6,S].d/ |
| 21:52.23 | pasquale | enouf, i see |
| 21:52.28 | pasquale | what does that mean? |
| 21:52.35 | Rothgar | That page just said the difference is that K scripts are executed with "stop" and S with "start" |
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| 21:53.03 | enouf | Rothgar: please - don't make me digup the maintainer's forum video presentation |
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| 21:53.14 | smokingrope | jamon: is it safe to remove the etch packages? |
| 21:53.19 | Rothgar | So I guess if it was running and you changed into the runtime it would be stopped |
| 21:53.25 | Rothgar | lol |
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| 21:53.44 | enouf | Rothgar: also, man invoke-rc.d (as it pertains to specific runlevels) |
| 21:53.46 | Rothgar | (13:29:57) <dpkg> enouf wants you to know: 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 21:53.50 | Rothgar | I jsut read that page |
| 21:54.18 | enouf | Rothgar: that's not the maintainer of the init related pkgs |
| 21:54.21 | pasquale | enouf, i still dont understand how to solve this problem tho , ,maybe im retarded xd |
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| 21:54.46 | enouf | pasquale: no - i'm just extremely sad, and can't concentrate too well |
| 21:54.56 | pasquale | enouf, :oo |
| 21:55.04 | pasquale | why? o.o |
| 21:55.04 | enouf | pasquale: but you did need to learn some basics |
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| 21:55.26 | pasquale | yea its true, im totally noobie |
| 21:55.33 | enouf | pasquale: why == wayyyy wayy off-topic, no need to even ask - thanks though |
| 21:55.58 | sladi | pasquale: 21:55 < enouf> pasquale-: lsmod | grep nv |
| 21:55.59 | pasquale | hehe true |
| 21:56.05 | enouf | pasquale: try some sites like linuxcommand.com ; tldp.org ; /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 21:56.13 | Axz | guys i'm trying to install PHP hardening on my server but getting this error http://pastebin.com/m6d523bd0 |
| 21:56.17 | Axz | any suggestions? |
| 21:56.17 | sladi | pasquale: maybe try the vesa driver first |
| 21:56.25 | pasquale | sladi, ok |
| 21:56.40 | enouf | ShoesLife: ibelieve we had hthe nv driver working yesterday - it's that he wants 3D |
| 21:56.44 | enouf | crap |
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| 21:56.50 | enouf | sladi: ibelieve we had hthe nv driver working yesterday - it's that he wants 3D |
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| 21:57.06 | Rothgar | enouf: If you can dig up the video it might be a good watch later that man page didn't say much about the rc* scripts |
| 21:57.12 | enouf | and says nv is slow |
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| 21:57.41 | squisher | hey guys, does anyone know a discussion channel for the debian-multimedia.org repo? I know its packages are not supported here |
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| 21:58.06 | enouf | Rothgar: google for FOSDEM and debconf2007 and 2008 |
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| 21:58.13 | sladi | enouf: I see. :) |
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| 21:58.29 | enouf | Rothgar: somewhere in there - concerning the 'insserv' pkgs |
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| 21:59.16 | pasquale | sladi, lsmod | grep nv << doesnt do anything |
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| 21:59.38 | enouf | pasquale: is X running? |
| 21:59.44 | pasquale | enouf, yes |
| 21:59.54 | pasquale | im chatting here |
| 21:59.56 | enouf | grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:00.09 | ma3x | why after i remap the keys with xmodmap, they get reset after a while? |
| 22:00.10 | enouf | pasquale: on the broken machine, i mean naturally |
| 22:00.25 | pasquale | enouf, yes |
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| 22:00.51 | enouf | pasquale: if you start to play games with oh, i thought you meant my compA, not compB, i'll get really upset .. i think |
| 22:01.25 | enouf | your session expired |
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| 22:02.42 | pasquale | enouf, the problem was about the drivers.. im sorry anyway with all those things im really confused |
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| 22:03.10 | enouf | your session expired was to ma3x , not you pasquale |
| 22:03.15 | ShoesLife | enouf: ? |
| 22:03.27 | enouf | ShoesLife: my bad tab - sorry |
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| 22:03.38 | pasquale | ok |
| 22:03.43 | wrench- | so i have a debian system that's /etc/issue reads "Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l" |
| 22:03.49 | ma3x | enouf: what session expired? i am still in X |
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| 22:03.58 | enouf | ma3x: gnome-session |
| 22:04.02 | ma3x | enouf: kde |
| 22:04.10 | enouf | then your kde one |
| 22:04.13 | wrench- | but /etc/apt/sources.list reads "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib" |
| 22:04.29 | toshiba510cdt | i have a booting delay problem on my ancient Pentium 133 MHz laptop running Lenny. can anyone help me? details are to be found on http://pastebin.ca/1350201 |
| 22:04.30 | ma3x | enouf: but how come? i didn't close the firefox browser yet, how can it expire |
| 22:04.30 | wrench- | how can i tell which release the system really is |
| 22:04.32 | toshiba510cdt | please see also http://pastebin.ca/1350408 |
| 22:04.36 | enouf | ma3x: maybe you ran out of ram, and it's a glitch? |
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| 22:04.51 | ma3x | enouf: i have 4 gb i couldn't have ran out of ram |
| 22:04.59 | enouf | ma3x: well, i know GDM, has a seting for TIME= sessions |
| 22:05.14 | ma3x | enouf: you use gnome? |
| 22:05.16 | enouf | ma3x: maybe kde 4.x is buggy |
| 22:05.19 | enouf | ma3x: no |
| 22:05.24 | ma3x | what do you use? |
| 22:05.43 | enouf | some parts of kde, unfortunatley - but mostly other things |
| 22:06.00 | ma3x | heh, ok |
| 22:06.05 | enouf | i can't wait to get rid of everything K related |
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| 22:06.42 | ma3x | but what window manager do you use? |
| 22:06.58 | mischief6 | can anyone help me with compiz? i followed the compiz guide on the wiki, but i get errors when calling compiz --replace. |
| 22:07.05 | enouf | ma3x: kwin? i think? but i use links2 -g as browser |
| 22:07.26 | phobos_anomaly | mischief6: what are the errors? |
| 22:08.13 | ma3x | enouf: so you don't visit flash enabled pages? i guess links2 doesn't support flash |
| 22:08.13 | mischief6 | phobos_anomaly, well the first one is "Checking for Xgl: xvinfo: Unable to open display", and several other messages related to not opening a display, and also that it can't find metacity. |
| 22:08.20 | mischief6 | phobos_anomaly, would you like a paste? |
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| 22:08.59 | Rothgar | enouf: I think this confirms your start/stop and it also has my 100-X |
| 22:09.01 | phobos_anomaly | mischief6: nah... why not just use the omega script? takes care of all the depens and normally one doesn't get errors like that |
| 22:09.02 | Rothgar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-custombootscripts |
| 22:09.22 | enouf | ma3x: this is getting off-topic - but i use /msg dpkg youtube script |
| 22:09.22 | mischief6 | phobos_anomaly, eeh..what is the omega script? :s |
| 22:09.39 | foetus | a question, how do i quote a line with echo contains a variable like this <echo -e 'Making Backup of \e[37;1m$DEBIAN_DIR ...\e[0m'> -- the variable is functional but shown as is.. |
| 22:09.47 | enouf | Rothgar: wonderful - feel free to do as you wish |
| 22:10.03 | phobos_anomaly | mischief6: its a script that compiles compiz from git. if I understand it right, omega is one of the developers of compiz |
| 22:10.32 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: tried various acpi=off, apm, pci=routeirq, type boot params? |
| 22:10.35 | ma3x | enouf: you have a similar opinion for gnome as for kde? |
| 22:10.45 | mischief6 | ah, well phobos_anomaly i simply followed the wiki. :( |
| 22:10.49 | enouf | ma3x: concerning what? |
| 22:10.56 | enouf | oh - yes ma3x |
| 22:11.06 | phobos_anomaly | mischief6: if you are interested, just do a git clone git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/users/omega/scripts |
| 22:11.11 | enouf | ma3x: i thought you said option, not opinion |
| 22:11.20 | phobos_anomaly | mischief6: did you check for all the deps before compiling? |
| 22:11.26 | ma3x | enouf: so what would you suggest as window manager for debian? |
| 22:11.30 | enouf | ma3x: DEs are a bloated windows weenie mess |
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| 22:11.41 | enouf | ma3x: anything other than a DE |
| 22:11.44 | ma3x | i mean you can't just work in the console all the time |
| 22:11.47 | amphi | xmonad! |
| 22:11.50 | pasquale | is this one ok for my graphic card ? http://it.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.09/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run |
| 22:11.51 | mischief6 | phobos_anomaly, uh. i don't know :( wouldn't the package manager handle that? |
| 22:11.52 | ma3x | whta's a DE? |
| 22:11.54 | enouf | apt-cache search x-window-manager |
| 22:12.03 | ShoesLife | enouf: yeah right. it was a "mistake". you guys are smart ;) |
| 22:12.27 | phobos_anomaly | mischief6: depends... did you do a sudo apt-get build-dep compiz ? |
| 22:12.38 | mischief6 | no :x |
| 22:12.43 | mischief6 | i didn't build it though |
| 22:13.12 | mischief6 | phobos_anomaly, like i said, i merely followed the wiki |
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| 22:13.29 | phobos_anomaly | mischief6: theres one problem. try that and then recompile or do whatever you did |
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| 22:14.05 | ma3x | enouf: what's 'DE'? |
| 22:14.10 | ma3x | desktop environment? |
| 22:14.15 | ShoesLife | yes ma3x |
| 22:14.20 | mischief6 | but if i compile from source, how will i remove it if i wanted to? that's why i'd rather stick with a package.. |
| 22:14.33 | digitaloktay | is here a debian-multimedia channel on freenode |
| 22:14.37 | ma3x | `ok |
| 22:14.39 | pasquale | enouf, http://it.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.09/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run is this one ok? (nvidia geforce 8600 GT) |
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| 22:15.05 | phobos_anomaly | mischief6: depends on how you compile from source, if you use the omega script, then its just ./git-compiz --purge if you get the tarballs, then its just sudo make uninstall |
| 22:15.30 | mischief6 | phobos_anomaly, that requires i keep those scripts handy though :p |
| 22:15.48 | mischief6 | maybe i can visit #compiz and they can look at my error.. :( |
| 22:15.59 | phobos_anomaly | mischief6: prolly a good idea |
| 22:17.20 | rgr | pasquale: why you get such a n old driver? |
| 22:17.21 | enouf | pasquale: please - i can't help with any 3D binary drivers - others might - but usually the .run files from nvidia should be asked abuot in #nvidia, not here |
| 22:17.37 | pasquale | rgr, too old? |
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| 22:17.50 | rgr | pasquale: got to nvidia site, drivers, linux. |
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| 22:18.01 | rgr | Version: 180.29 |
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| 22:19.16 | pasquale | which one shall i take then |
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| 22:27.09 | xingu | blizzkid: submit a patch ;) |
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| 22:33.05 | mischief6 | anyone here have compiz working in lenny? |
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| 22:41.18 | dkr | just ask your real question |
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| 23:21.48 | halflife08 | hello folks why doesn't gnome-terminal source .profile how do i force it to ? |
| 23:22.33 | chomwitt | why, how could dpkg-reconfire locale, change root settings, but not of other users? |
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| 23:28.34 | format_c | halflife08, and xterm does? |
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| 23:33.40 | agnitio | does anyone have an idea as to why my iwl3945 card only works if I suspend to RAM after booting? |
| 23:34.07 | agnitio | before I do, it just says that my hardware rf kill switch is active |
| 23:35.11 | format_c | what is a rf kill switch? |
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| 23:35.30 | agnitio | some laptops have a switch to turn on/off wireless networking |
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| 23:35.46 | agnitio | I don't have a hardware switch on mine.. only in ACPI |
| 23:35.51 | format_c | ah ok. |
| 23:35.59 | LeoPanthera | Hey guys. I wonder if someone can help answer a really dumb question about ejabberd... |
| 23:36.28 | LeoPanthera | Say you're setting up a jabber server for mydomain.com, but the server itself is servername.mydomain.com. Which of these do you put as the "Hostname" in the ejabberd config? |
| 23:38.15 | themill | agnitio: that's a different sort of problem to have. The module is probably removed and then reloaded with the suspend cycle - have you tried doing that manually? (modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945) |
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| 23:38.58 | agnitio | themill: yes I have, unfortunately without success |
| 23:39.06 | themill | agnitio: btw I thought it was a legal requirement in several jurisdictions to have an rkfill switch. Are you *sure* you don't have one? |
| 23:40.53 | agnitio | themill: I have an ACPI-one.. but no physical switch |
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| 23:43.14 | agnitio | pushing Fn+F2 (to toggle the ACPI kill switch) has no effect however |
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| 23:44.10 | themill | hmm... (btw it's frequently not actually an acpi event) |
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| 23:47.36 | agnitio | oh, well it generates an ACPI event (I was stupid enough to test, which is why I was disconnected) |
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| 23:48.28 | agnitio | themill: oh, well it generates an ACPI event (I was stupid enough to test, which is why I was disconnected) |
| 23:48.55 | agnitio | and when I activate it, dmesg complains about my "SW rf kill switch", on boot it complains about "HW rf kill switch" |
| 23:49.04 | themill | odd |
| 23:49.12 | agnitio | which explains why Fn+F2 doesn't work at boot |
| 23:49.27 | themill | hehe... so once you've suspended and come back, Fn+F2 works as advertised, just not before? |
| 23:51.55 | enouf | can someone quickly remind of why the f this /etc/apt/preferences is erroring with; "E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header" -- http://rafb.net/p/YRCHnm21.html .. i'm about to smash something really bad.. and i shouldn't |
| 23:52.21 | enouf | ~$ sudo apt-cache policy |
| 23:52.22 | enouf | E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
| 23:52.52 | agnitio | themill: yes, somewhat.. however Fn+F2 doesn't seem to work perfectly either, but I never use that so it's not a problem |
| 23:53.02 | agnitio | the big problem is my wireless not working at boot |
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| 23:53.18 | agnitio | it worked fine on my previous distro, there must be some difference in the debian kernel config |
| 23:53.28 | enouf | nothing about 'header' in any of the <pinning> factoids, nr the manpages apt_preferences |
| 23:53.36 | themill | agnitio: exactly what kernel version though? |
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| 23:54.06 | themill | enouf: are you sure multiple "Pin:" lines are allowed? |
| 23:54.19 | agnitio | it worked on all kernel versions ever since iwl3945 was available (the latest being 2.6.26) |
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| 23:54.29 | enouf | APT::Default-Release "unstable"; <-- /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 23:54.46 | enouf | themill: i only originally had one line |
| 23:54.51 | enouf | same error |
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| 23:56.31 | enouf | themill: i' very confused about o= vs Origin, vs origin, etc |
| 23:56.44 | themill | enouf: sounds like pinning to me.... :( |
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| 23:57.18 | Loctrice | how come I got the multi arch dvd for installing debian and it still wont show my desktop due to a driver problem? |
| 23:57.26 | enouf | themill: look at it, before i messed with it http://rafb.net/p/B6gt6R46.html |
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| 23:57.32 | Loctrice | knoppix works just fine |
| 23:57.59 | enouf | themill: i noticed lately i'm getting stuff from debian official, rather than multimedia :-/ |
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| 23:58.33 | mischief6 | how can i replace Openbox with compiz? |
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| 23:59.39 | enouf | themill: i'm just not up to dissecting this all right now, no patience, nerves are shot, DVDs won't play, Internet radio streams are skipping, :-/ |
| 23:59.49 | Loctrice | if I can get my desktop started no knoppix and it connects to the network cant I just download the kde ? its still a debian system right? |
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