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| 00:00.54 | themill | agnitio: there are other "rfkill" modules in the kernel -- does loading/unloading them make a difference. There aren't many options for iwlwifi in the kernel, but a different version of the microcode may help. |
| 00:00.58 | themill | judd kconfig IWL --release lenny |
| 00:00.58 | judd | themill: Searching for 'IWL' in lenny kernel config gives IWLWIFI=m IWLCORE=m IWLWIFI_LEDS=y IWLWIFI_RFKILL=y IWL4965=m IWL4965_HT=y IWL4965_LEDS=y IWL4965_SPECTRUM_MEASUREMENT=y IWL4965_SENSITIVITY=y IWLWIFI_DEBUG=n IWL3945=m IWL3945_SPECTRUM_MEASUREMENT=y IWL3945_LEDS=y IWL3945_DEBUG=n. |
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| 00:01.11 | enouf | themill: my workaround used to be to comment out all other lines except dmm in sources list and run an update and upgrade selective pkgs .. maybe i'll have to redo that |
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| 00:02.43 | themill | enouf: I don't get any errors with those 4 lines that you pasted, but it also doesn't do anything. Remove the quotes and it does though. |
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| 00:03.43 | agnitio | themill: I tried a newer version of the firmware (had to cheat by renaming it) and I tried loading / unloading som rf_kill modules but no luck |
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| 00:04.32 | agnitio | I remember reading a bug report with the same issue a while ago, but I can't find it.. I find several about the HW rf kill switch causing issues though |
| 00:04.40 | themill | agnitio: another thing that consistently comes up is messing with modprobe options, with disable_hw_scan=1 being a favourite to try. |
| 00:05.06 | agnitio | I'll try it, but I'll get disconnected... brb |
| 00:05.11 | themill | :) |
| 00:05.31 | enouf | themill: http://rafb.net/p/uq3T2m84.html after doing what i just said i used to do |
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| 00:06.28 | agnitio | themill: that actually worked (but I can't say for sure until I try it after a cold boot) |
| 00:06.46 | agnitio | can I get it to load the module with that option at boot? |
| 00:07.35 | enouf | themill: i give up for now - thanks for the effort |
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| 00:07.44 | themill | have fun, enouf |
| 00:07.49 | enouf | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:07.49 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.53 | themill | agnitio: you can.... |
| 00:07.55 | agnitio | ah, if I add it to /etc/modules that should do it right? |
| 00:07.57 | enouf | E: Broken packages |
| 00:08.12 | mischief6 | how can i replace Openbox with compiz in lxde? |
| 00:08.13 | enouf | i can usually solve this shit - i just cannot do it in my state |
| 00:09.43 | themill | agnitio: yeah, think so. It's changed one too many times for me that I can no longer remember... |
| 00:10.20 | agnitio | hehe, thanks themill, finally I seem to be on to something! I'll shut down for the night and it'll be interesting to try it tomorrow.. |
| 00:10.24 | agnitio | goodnight |
| 00:10.31 | themill | agnitio: good luck....! |
| 00:10.34 | agnitio | thanks |
| 00:11.20 | themill | dpkg, fix enouf's pinning |
| 00:11.20 | dpkg | takes enouf's pinning to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 00:12.39 | mischief6 | nobody can tell me how to get compiz as my wm under lxde? :C |
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| 00:14.15 | adb | mischief6: try /j #compiz |
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| 00:14.50 | mischief6 | adb, i already have compiz installed and working |
| 00:14.55 | mischief6 | but i don't know how to set it as my wm. |
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| 00:15.13 | CaT[t3] | try #lxde? |
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| 00:16.16 | mischief6 | CaT[t3], #lxde on oftc has been silent for ages |
| 00:16.43 | mischief6 | i tried "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" but compiz does not show in the list >.> |
| 00:16.55 | CaT[t3] | did you install it as a package? |
| 00:17.07 | mischief6 | yes |
| 00:18.41 | abrotman | compiz --replace ? |
| 00:20.32 | mischief6 | that isn't permanent abrotman |
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| 00:21.03 | DeadFishMan | howdy |
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| 00:21.27 | zinx | mischief6: put export WINDOW_MANAGER="/usr/bin/compiz"; exec gnome-session in your ~/.xsession :/ |
| 00:21.38 | zinx | mischief6: but note that it's not the most stable window manager |
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| 00:22.06 | DeadFishMan | Anyone on Sid here that ran an aptitude update in the last couple of days and got a useless NetworkManager? |
| 00:22.19 | abrotman | DeadFishMan: bugs.debian.org |
| 00:22.21 | mischief6 | zinx, would i not want 'lxsession'? :3 |
| 00:22.40 | zinx | mischief6: no idea what lxsession is. but if that's your session manager, then sure |
| 00:23.00 | craigevil | mischief6: try installing the Desktop Session Settings and choose compiz instead of openbox |
| 00:23.03 | CaT[t3] | deadfish: I use wicd. |
| 00:23.18 | DeadFishMan | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 00:23.43 | zinx | wicd's way better than network manager, though admittedly that's not saying a whole lot |
| 00:23.45 | mischief6 | craigevil, where can i get 'desktop session settings' |
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| 00:24.15 | DeadFishMan | CaT[t3] I was thinking about dropping nm altogether and start using wicd. Lots of people reporting that their problems with wireless are gone after doing that. Willlook into it when I get back home.Thanks! |
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| 00:24.53 | CaT[t3] | deadfish: worth a shot. weirdly, wicd has issues connecting to non-encrypted wireless networks at times. |
| 00:24.55 | mischief6 | zinx, i have no .xsession, just create it..? |
| 00:25.01 | zinx | mischief6: yep |
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| 00:26.17 | abrotman | CaT[t3]: you know .. you can type the first few letters of the nick and hit tab to complete ? |
| 00:26.53 | CaT[t3] | abrot: you assume too much :) |
| 00:27.23 | DeadFishMan | lol |
| 00:27.34 | abrotman | CaT[t3]: you need a better IRCclient |
| 00:28.16 | craigevil | mischief6: its in the lxde repo, not in debian repos as far as i know , its called lxsession-edit |
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| 00:28.28 | CaT[t3] | abrot: nah. for my uses this client is best. I just need to code in that feature, eventually. |
| 00:28.52 | mischief6 | craigevil, i read about that utility but i've no idea how to get it ._. |
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| 00:30.44 | abrotman | CaT[t3]: which client is it? |
| 00:30.46 | craigevil | mischief6: add deb http://people.linux.org.tw/~andrew/debian/lxde/ ./ to your sources.list |
| 00:31.20 | craigevil | then do gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 9D0633E1B6250985 , gpg --export --armor 9D0633E1B6250985 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 00:31.23 | CaT[t3] | abrot: something I wrote. |
| 00:32.20 | DeadFishMan | CaT[t3]: Back in the old days when men were men and wrote their own IRC client... ^_^ |
| 00:32.22 | abrotman | craigevil: how is that going to help him ? |
| 00:32.45 | craigevil | lxsession-edit lets you choose the window manager, in his case compiz rather than openbox |
| 00:32.57 | CaT[t3] | dead: pretty much. :) |
| 00:33.26 | abrotman | craigevil: he shouldn't really need that .. |
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| 00:33.33 | mischief6 | craigevil, that pgp command didn't work apparently, aptitude complains about no key :( |
| 00:33.34 | abrotman | and then he'll be on non-debian packages |
| 00:33.42 | mischief6 | abrotman, how else am i gonna change WM? |
| 00:33.49 | abrotman | it really can't be that hard |
| 00:33.51 | craigevil | no he shouldnt just starting compiz should be enough |
| 00:34.23 | mischief6 | craigevil, that's all i want to do, is use compiz instead of openbox |
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| 00:35.35 | DeadFishMan | mischief6: I don't use OpenBox but isn't there a start script or something like that where you can put the command /usr/bin/compiz --replace ?? |
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| 00:36.17 | mischief6 | that is what i am trying to find out DeadFishMan. the only thing i have seen mentioned about changing window managers is lxsession-edit |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | cute .. the "How To change your WM in LXDE" link on the wiki goes nowhere |
| 00:37.03 | mischief6 | :( yeah |
| 00:37.03 | DeadFishMan | lol |
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| 00:38.19 | craigevil | mischief6: try When you use fusion-icon you have to select openbox in the menu "select windows manager", if that doesnt work try openbox --replace(from the lxde forum) |
| 00:38.27 | abrotman | craigevil: mischief6 http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LXDE#Replace_Window_Manager |
| 00:38.32 | abrotman | might help ? |
| 00:39.02 | TrentCreek | What is a good folder/file browser for Blackbox on Debian? |
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| 00:39.14 | abrotman | TrentCreek: depends what you want out of it |
| 00:39.23 | abrotman | TrentCreek: some people like xfe or gentoo |
| 00:39.40 | DeadFishMan | TrentCreek, abrotman: I'm partial to rox-filer |
| 00:39.48 | abrotman | doesn't care |
| 00:39.59 | TrentCreek | Just something to view the files...I got a VERY basic install here |
| 00:40.06 | TrentCreek | thanks..iwill check them out |
| 00:40.08 | zinx | is amused at someone sincerely recommending "gentoo" in #debian, even if it is the file manager :P |
| 00:40.18 | DeadFishMan | lol |
| 00:40.20 | abrotman | judd: info gentoo --version etch |
| 00:40.20 | judd | abrotman: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 00:40.29 | abrotman | judd: info gentoo --release lenny |
| 00:40.29 | judd | abrotman: gentoo (x11): is optional; Version: 0.11.56-1; Size: 766.9k; Installed: 2276k -- a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | jeez .. totally biffed that the first time |
| 00:40.51 | mischief6 | abrotman, that is somewhat helpful...but i don't want to change it system-wide |
| 00:40.53 | mischief6 | only for me? |
| 00:41.28 | abrotman | mischief6: do you have a . directory for lxde ? |
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| 00:41.35 | abrotman | or lxsession ? |
| 00:41.51 | gaintsura__ | is there a package to build an install disk from currently installed packages? |
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| 00:42.44 | abrotman | you can get a list and use that on other systems |
| 00:43.03 | gaintsura__ | I thought there was a way to build a cd like that |
| 00:43.21 | abrotman | there's a way to build a bootable system CD .. |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | i haven't seen anything like what you're looking for |
| 00:43.45 | mischief6 | abrotman, i have no lxsession or . dir for lxde |
| 00:43.49 | mischief6 | well |
| 00:44.00 | mischief6 | there is ~/.dmrc which may be something.. |
| 00:44.02 | gaintsura__ | abrotman: I saw one called systeminstaller but it didn't give much use on how to use it |
| 00:44.12 | abrotman | i'm sure it has docs .. |
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| 00:46.09 | gaintsura__ | abrotman: I couldn't figure out how to launch it much less get to its docs |
| 00:46.41 | gaintsura__ | man systeminstaller returned nothing, dpkg --listfiles systeminstaller only returned 1 application |
| 00:48.06 | GoldElite | Hmm. I've full-upgraded to Squeeze (obviously after updating sources.list, etc), but gnome-system-monitor insists I'm still running Lenny. Is it just being stupid, or have I missed something? |
| 00:48.50 | abrotman | mischief6: do you have a ~/.config/lxde/ ? |
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| 00:49.10 | mischief6 | no abrotman. |
| 00:49.34 | amphi | GoldElite: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:50.00 | GoldElite | "5.0". That's still Lenny, isn't it? |
| 00:50.31 | amphi | update & safe-upgrade again then; basefiles has been updated |
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| 00:52.59 | abrotman | mischief6: freaking useless man pages |
| 00:53.28 | mischief6 | abrotman, definitely dude |
| 00:53.31 | GoldElite | amphi: Updates, then effectively tells me there's nothing to upgrade, but debian_version's still 5.0 :( |
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| 00:53.35 | mischief6 | 30-50 lines of garbage |
| 00:53.40 | abrotman | "Hi, I made this man page for fun!" |
| 00:53.45 | mischief6 | abrotman, i think i got it though |
| 00:53.49 | mischief6 | going to take some fiddling |
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| 00:54.34 | Arrowmaster | GoldElite: maybe squeeze hasnt been given a version number yet |
| 00:55.28 | abrotman | it hasn't |
| 00:55.42 | GoldElite | Arrowmaster: Ahh, hehe, that explains that, then. Thanks, guys:) |
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| 00:59.47 | amphi | GoldElite: says 'squeeze/sid' here, as of some hours ago |
| 00:59.55 | abrotman | a few days ago IIRC |
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| 01:00.42 | GoldElite | Then why's my system not updating, then? Hrrmmm... =\ |
| 01:01.05 | amphi | could be, I forget when I last upgraded previously |
| 01:01.18 | abrotman | GoldElite: dpkg -l base-files .. which version |
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| 01:01.57 | GoldElite | abrotman: Hmm, it indeed agrees version 5 |
| 01:02.07 | themill | judd: versions base-files |
| 01:02.08 | judd | themill: base-files -- etch: 4 etch-backports: 4.0.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 5 sid: 5.0 squeeze: 5.0 |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | 5 or 5.0 ? |
| 01:02.22 | GoldElite | Just 5 |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | it's out of date |
| 01:02.43 | abrotman | paste your sources.list in a pastebin .. and the output of `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` |
| 01:03.20 | GoldElite | Mmmkay, just a sec |
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| 01:06.27 | GoldElite | Heh, kept tripping pastebin.com's spam filters. Here's my sources.list (it's a bit messy at the moment): http://paste.ubuntu.com/126992/ |
| 01:07.09 | GoldElite | Aaand the aptitude stuff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/126993/ |
| 01:07.46 | abrotman | GoldElite: wtf is the virginmedia thing ? |
| 01:07.52 | keith4_ | hahaha |
| 01:08.00 | keith4_ | virginmedia's repo is woefully out of date? |
| 01:08.09 | abrotman | oh . nevmerind |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | GoldElite: apt-cache policy base-files ? |
| 01:08.47 | GoldElite | keith4_: Haha, I wouldn't be surprised. They're my ISP, so I figured it'd be fastest, but their service isn't particularly good... |
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| 01:09.23 | GoldElite | abrotman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/126994/ |
| 01:09.34 | andybond13 | hey, I have a question regarding FDISK and GPARTED; one sees my partitions, the other doesn't |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | yeah .. that mirror is out of date |
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| 01:10.02 | keith4_ | andybond13: GPT? |
| 01:10.16 | andybond13 | what is gpt? |
| 01:10.16 | GoldElite | abrotman: Ahh. Well, that explains that. I'll go look for another:) |
| 01:10.30 | abrotman | GoldElite: there are a bunch in .uk |
| 01:10.48 | keith4_ | andybond13: how big is the disk? |
| 01:11.10 | keith4_ | ... and which sees them? |
| 01:11.51 | andybond13 | keith4_: its a ~45gb disk; Half of it is blank and half has windows 7 on it |
| 01:12.06 | keith4_ | ah |
| 01:12.13 | keith4_ | parted sees the partitions, fdisk doesn't? |
| 01:12.14 | andybond13 | windows 7 and fdisk see both partitions |
| 01:12.27 | andybond13 | gparted says the whole disk is unallocated |
| 01:12.42 | keith4_ | pastebin 'fdisk -l /dev/whatever' |
| 01:13.30 | andybond13 | I am a relatively new user, what is pastebin |
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| 01:13.39 | keith4_ | !pastebin.net |
| 01:13.42 | keith4_ | crap |
| 01:13.44 | keith4_ | !pastebin |
| 01:13.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:15.30 | andybond13 | http://paste.debian.net/29857/ |
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| 01:16.30 | keith4_ | andybond13: see the part where it says "GPT" at the top? ;-) |
| 01:16.31 | andybond13 | using fdisk, I manually took the free space and made swap and ext3 partitions |
| 01:16.35 | andybond13 | yeah |
| 01:16.51 | keith4_ | oy |
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| 01:16.55 | keith4_ | not good |
| 01:17.15 | Joint | hey i have a quick question what's this application called that you can pasted with you're mouse in the terminal? |
| 01:17.16 | keith4_ | fdisk doesn't play well with GPT (as it says) |
| 01:17.28 | andybond13 | yeah |
| 01:17.38 | keith4_ | Joint: no, *you* are mouse! |
| 01:17.48 | Joint | keith4_: hmmm okey. |
| 01:18.09 | andybond13 | so..., can I use gnu parted to accomplosh what i want? |
| 01:18.55 | keith4_ | it seems like your partition table is probably in a confused state. make sure you back up anything that you would be upset about losing |
| 01:19.04 | keith4_ | and then... wait for someone else to help you ;-) |
| 01:19.09 | andybond13 | windows 7 is a free download.... |
| 01:19.18 | andybond13 | it would be a pain to needlessly reinstall though |
| 01:19.19 | gaintsura | anyone know of a program to generate an install cd from installed packages? |
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| 01:21.12 | keith4_ | !jigdo |
| 01:21.12 | dpkg | jigdo is probably *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 01:21.28 | Gr33n3gg | In /etc/default/syslogd, SYSLOGD="-r" is used for remote UDP logging. Whats the parameter for TCP logging? |
| 01:22.12 | keith4_ | man syslogd |
| 01:22.47 | GoldElite | abrotman: Yay, that was the problem. ftp.uk.debian.org updated fine and now I'm running Squeeze properly:D Thanks! |
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| 01:23.56 | keith4_ | Gr33n3gg: i believe your choices are: listen on UDP port 514... or don't. that's it |
| 01:24.18 | Gr33n3gg | Hmm. I'm trying to set my router to send me logs but I'm not getting any. |
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| 01:27.32 | |TrentCreek| | okay, what about a better Toolbar > |
| 01:27.42 | Gr33n3gg | I've set my router to the right IP, but it still not sending logs. |
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| 01:28.28 | foetus | how can i tell an shellscript, that it reads a special command (an option) from the shellinput? |
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| 01:29.47 | andybond13 | keith4_: so I can't do it at all? |
| 01:29.53 | |TrentCreek| | the blackbox toolbar one really bites. They ones I have seen |
| 01:30.07 | foetus | i'd like to use this option in an definition with an special command |
| 01:30.08 | |TrentCreek| | do not seem to function |
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| 01:30.32 | keith4_ | andybond13: sure you can. i don't know how. (and i don't want to guess, and then be responsible for you losing all your data) |
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| 01:31.12 | gaintsura | is it possible to copy my install packages onto a debian cd and have them be installed at installation time? I'm not finding another way to make my own install cd out of the packages I've already got going |
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| 01:36.13 | jan247 | hi guys, quick one. how do i launch an x application on another screen? |
| 01:36.34 | jaggz | anyone know a utility I can drag jpegs onto and have it resize them in place? hmm.. maybe I could make an icon for a shell script |
| 01:36.50 | jaggz | jan, another desktop or another x session? |
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| 01:37.45 | jaggz | I never tried it, but it looks like export DISPLAY=:0.3 will not work to show it on desktop 3 :) |
| 01:37.53 | jan247 | another x ession.. |
| 01:38.26 | jaggz | then use the # of the X session I believe.. normal local display is :0.0 so you'd use :1.0 or something |
| 01:38.44 | jaggz | I've never tried it -- I only use the pseudo ones for ssh forwarding |
| 01:38.57 | jan247 | ah, hehe. ok, thanks, i'll try that |
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| 01:41.19 | Vasistha | trying to upgrade etch->lenny, on the aptitude safe-upgrade I'm getting "libcups2: Conflicts: libcupsys2 (< 1.3.7-6) but 1.2.7-4etch6 is installed and it is kept back." |
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| 01:44.28 | |pavel| | hi, need help |
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| 01:45.04 | adb | |pavel|: just ask |
| 01:45.47 | |pavel| | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the courier-authdaemon package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 01:46.08 | |pavel| | i cant remove it |
| 01:46.25 | |pavel| | i cant install nothing |
| 01:46.32 | stew | |pavel|: what happens if you run "aptitude reinstall courier-authdaemon" ? |
| 01:47.10 | tom760 | I just installed Debian and booted up. The monitor just complains about an unsupported mode. I tried going on the regular console, stopping gdm, doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and restarting gdm. It gives me the same problem. Any suggestions? |
| 01:47.26 | stew | Vasistha: you can probably ignore that, or you could try running "aptitude install libcups2" to resolve it |
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| 01:47.41 | stew | Vasistha: if you ignore itnow, it should be taken care of when you run "aptitude full-upgrade" |
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| 01:48.42 | |pavel| | i stew: where i can paste ? |
| 01:48.47 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 01:52.31 | |pavel| | stew: http://paste.debian.net/29858/ |
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| 01:53.07 | |pavel| | abrotman: thanx for url |
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| 01:53.54 | Hologram1Slim | can that be possible? konqueror can't create symlinks? |
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| 01:54.09 | Hologram1Slim | wipes his glasses |
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| 01:59.27 | |pavel| | and i'm root |
| 01:59.31 | ice799 | Hologram1Slim: strace will tell you what is going on. |
| 01:59.44 | adb | gaintsura: apt-cache show bootcd ? |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | |pavel|: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 02:00.06 | Hologram1Slim | ice799: what should it tell me? that the funktion is not implemented? |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | i wouldn't be surprised |
| 02:00.27 | Hologram1Slim | ice799: try to make a symlink. there is simply no such functionality. |
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| 02:00.51 | Hologram1Slim | all it does is some nonstandard *.desktop file wich only works in kde |
| 02:01.20 | ice799 | oh I see, i misunderstood what you were saying. |
| 02:01.38 | Hologram1Slim | probably my fault, still, i can't believe this |
| 02:02.08 | gaintsura | thanks adb |
| 02:02.31 | adb | np |
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| 02:04.32 | gaintsura | nice find adb... *wonders how to transfer an ISO across a vm nat network |
| 02:05.18 | adb | me too ;) |
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| 02:05.48 | gaintsura | adb: I'm asking in vbox now =) and I see you're on a vbox too haha |
| 02:05.53 | |pavel| | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/29859/ |
| 02:06.27 | adb_vbox | gaintsura, ... |
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| 02:06.32 | abrotman | |pavel|: why are all those packages held back ? |
| 02:06.38 | gaintsura | yes...? |
| 02:06.41 | gaintsura | I did nothing |
| 02:06.52 | adb_vbox | me too |
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| 02:07.20 | unow | anyone know what /lib/udev/net.agent is? |
| 02:07.44 | Hologram1Slim | not me |
| 02:07.55 | gaintsura | networking agent? |
| 02:08.32 | |pavel| | abrotman: at first - my knowledge of english... held back means not so new as it can be? |
| 02:08.35 | unow | ah, let me rephrase; anyone know what /lib/udev/net.agent does? |
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| 02:08.58 | abrotman | |pavel|: see the ones not upgraded ? |
| 02:09.17 | gaintsura | unow: it sets up your network interfaces |
| 02:09.34 | unow | if I somehow disable it, what would the outcome be? |
| 02:09.56 | gaintsura | you'd have no hotplugging on your interfaces |
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| 02:10.21 | unow | if I only use internal networking interfaces? |
| 02:10.28 | unow | would it be safe to disable? |
| 02:10.45 | gaintsura | why are you trying/wanting to disable it to begin with? |
| 02:10.56 | unow | theres a slight delay caused by it at boot |
| 02:11.04 | unow | a delay Id like begone |
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| 02:11.49 | gaintsura | O.o... I don't see any damage done by disabling it.. I'd backup first (naturally) |
| 02:12.12 | unow | sure, thanks a lot for your insight ;) |
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| 02:15.07 | |pavel| | abrotman: i think some of them i have no need to install, as kernel or headers. all works good except broken one, that stuck |
| 02:15.56 | abrotman | |pavel|: what does `apt-cache policy courier-authdaemon` return ? |
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| 02:16.26 | node357a | how do I create /dev/dsp on Lenny? |
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| 02:16.41 | gaintsura | adb: via shared folders for copying files =) |
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| 02:19.43 | |pavel| | http://paste.debian.net/29861/ |
| 02:19.56 | abrotman | node357a: load snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:20.06 | |pavel| | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/29861/ |
| 02:20.09 | Joint | hey can someone tell me the tt1 packaged call to pasted in the tt1 terminals please. |
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| 02:21.33 | akio | I was wondering, in a situation where I am behind a proxy, only 80 and 443 are open, what is the easiest way to shell into my VPS? |
| 02:21.54 | abrotman | |pavel|: aptitude install courier-authdaemon .. says what ? |
| 02:22.33 | argnl | dpkg says "Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64", is this still considered to be true? |
| 02:22.35 | dpkg | argnl: that's too long |
| 02:22.50 | akio | I can change the sshd listen port, but then the VPS craps for SSL |
| 02:23.36 | mmlj4 | argnl: it's a fact that not everything runs yet on -64... applications you and I use, for instance |
| 02:23.59 | akio | abrotman: what do you do? VPN? |
| 02:24.06 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:24.20 | mmlj4 | flash, openoffice, seamonkey... I've had troubles with those personally |
| 02:24.34 | akio | your always available ssh? |
| 02:24.36 | mmlj4 | fxload |
| 02:25.09 | argnl | mmlj4: is there a list of apps that are known to not work? |
| 02:25.16 | comradekingu | flash works on 64bit, havent had any problems with openoffice, not that i use it much |
| 02:25.21 | mmlj4 | i just gave you mine :-) |
| 02:25.24 | argnl | :) |
| 02:25.50 | comradekingu | correction, flash works as well on 64bit as it does on 32bit systems |
| 02:26.04 | argnl | thats better :p |
| 02:26.11 | mmlj4 | comradekingu: it helps that there's finally a beta out |
| 02:26.47 | comradekingu | I found the alpha to be quite good aswell |
| 02:26.55 | argnl | is there any advantage to be gained from running a 64 bit kernel and keeping a 32bit user space? |
| 02:27.04 | comradekingu | Then again, i guess im not spoiled on flash support |
| 02:27.33 | comradekingu | You mean running programs in wrappers? |
| 02:28.04 | argnl | no, just installing the amd64 kernel |
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| 02:28.24 | comradekingu | You can allocate more than 3.32GB of ram |
| 02:28.53 | Orbjinzo | Anyone famaliar with gnome2-globalmenu applet and installing it on debian lenny? |
| 02:28.54 | |pavel| | abrotman: i can give you some more results, just ask |
| 02:29.13 | abrotman | |pavel|: aptitude install courier-authdaemon .. says what ? |
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| 02:30.09 | comradekingu | mmlj4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#32_vs_64_bit |
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| 02:31.00 | comradekingu | As far as im concerned its time to remove any general advice to avoid utilizing 64bit now |
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| 02:32.12 | amphi | works fine here, but I use no blobbery |
| 02:33.05 | akio | quit |
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| 02:38.26 | |pavel| | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/29862/ |
| 02:39.09 | jaggz | when I drag multiple files onto a shell-script's icon, it only gets one of the arguments as $@ |
| 02:39.24 | gaintsura | how can I list currently running services on my system? |
| 02:39.29 | gaintsura | cmd |
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| 02:40.43 | jaggz | ps -auxwf | less |
| 02:41.51 | jaggz | hmm.. I guess $@ is modified somehow |
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| 02:46.15 | gaintsura | abd: bootcd is a cool util =) |
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| 02:48.41 | gewt | mmm |
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| 02:50.56 | |pavel| | abrotman: 04:52 am, have no idea whats wrong |
| 02:51.08 | abrotman | it's lookin gfor a pid file |
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| 02:52.14 | mib_x3sjdl | hello |
| 02:52.22 | mib_x3sjdl | I have a techical question |
| 02:52.25 | mib_x3sjdl | anyone there? |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | asak |
| 02:53.08 | |pavel| | abrotman: and tries to stop it, but it cant, reinstall did the same error |
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| 02:53.35 | mib_x3sjdl | I had flash player plugin for iceweasel number 9.0 |
| 02:53.43 | mib_x3sjdl | worked fine |
| 02:53.52 | mib_x3sjdl | I downloaded the 10 plugin |
| 02:53.56 | mib_x3sjdl | installed it |
| 02:53.58 | DeSian | what is the command to purge all apps with "XX" name? |
| 02:54.13 | mib_x3sjdl | now about:plugins throws 9.0 |
| 02:54.19 | mib_x3sjdl | and I can't see any flash movie |
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| 02:54.48 | mib_x3sjdl | DeSian: you can do ps -ef |grep xxx |
| 02:54.56 | mib_x3sjdl | then kill nnn |
| 02:55.43 | DeSian | aptitude purge XXX* |
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| 02:56.22 | DeSian | ^^ that display worked proses |
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| 02:57.40 | adb | mib_x3sjdl: restart iceweasel ? |
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| 02:59.01 | mib_x3sjdl | yea |
| 02:59.11 | mib_x3sjdl | that happened a couple of days ago |
| 02:59.32 | mib_x3sjdl | is there a way to see from command line what version of flash player is on? |
| 02:59.58 | adb | ls -l /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
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| 03:00.06 | adb | total 9800 |
| 03:00.19 | adb | 10017140 |
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| 03:01.55 | mib_x3sjdl | libflashplayer.so 7040080 |
| 03:02.51 | |pavel| | how to tell a system, that some packet is not installed and never been? |
| 03:03.02 | adb | mib_x3sjdl: reinstall 10 |
| 03:03.04 | dondelelcaro | |pavel|: purge the package |
| 03:03.29 | mib_x3sjdl | what do you recommend? tar.gz or .deb (for ubuntu) |
| 03:03.38 | adb | tar.gz |
| 03:04.09 | mib_x3sjdl | do I remove the file libflashplayer.so manually now? |
| 03:04.16 | adb | sure |
| 03:04.22 | mib_x3sjdl | ok thanks |
| 03:04.36 | |pavel| | dondelelcaro: it dont helps. |
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| 03:09.05 | dondelelcaro | |pavel|: uh... that's how you do it. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 03:10.34 | |pavel| | dondelelcaro: i have broken packet, i cant purge reinstall or install others |
| 03:10.57 | dondelelcaro | |pavel|: then you should tell us that when you're asking your question. |
| 03:11.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell |pavel| -about bat |
| 03:11.14 | smacnay | How safe is it to upgrade "testing" right now? I see that a lot of the multimedia libs are broken or not current enough for other upgrades to take place. |
| 03:11.16 | dondelelcaro | |pavel|: follow those instructions, and make sure you also tell us what you actually want to have happen. |
| 03:11.43 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: changes constantly. If you care, you probably should wait, or at least use apt-listbugs |
| 03:12.08 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, thanks - I have not heard of apt-listbugs |
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| 03:17.51 | bullgard4 | man rsync: "rsync contacts a remote system on either of two different ways: i.) using a remote-shell program as the transport (such as ssh or rsh) or ii.)..." RFC4253: "SSH works over any 8-bit clean, binary-transparent transport." Where is the concept "transport" explained? |
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| 03:18.32 | |pavel| | dondelelcaro: dpkg: http://paste.debian.net/29865/ |
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| 03:18.48 | CaT[t3] | hahaha |
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| 03:33.46 | jpinx | bullgard4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_layer |
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| 03:35.39 | diegoviola | hi |
| 03:35.52 | diegoviola | is there mysql 5.1 packages for lenny? |
| 03:35.54 | diegoviola | or for 4.0 |
| 03:36.01 | diegoviola | somewhere |
| 03:36.28 | streuner__ | judd, versions mysql |
| 03:36.28 | judd | streuner__: mysql -- |
| 03:36.46 | diegoviola | ? |
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| 03:37.25 | streuner__ | judd, versions mysql-server |
| 03:37.26 | diegoviola | backports doesn't say much |
| 03:37.26 | judd | streuner__: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch6 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24~bpo40+1 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 squeeze: 5.0.51a-24 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.75-1 sid: 5.0.77-1 experimental: 5.1.31-2 |
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| 03:37.48 | diegoviola | experimental... but how can i get that in my debian stable? |
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| 03:38.20 | dondelelcaro | diegoviola: you can't |
| 03:38.27 | dondelelcaro | (well, not easily, anyway) |
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| 03:38.32 | brad__ | hi |
| 03:38.35 | diegoviola | oh damn |
| 03:38.52 | brad__ | i love that responce when I enter a channel |
| 03:39.17 | brad__ | I've got to convert my linux box from 32 to 64 bit, is my software raid going to be an issue ? |
| 03:39.21 | diegoviola | i will have to get packages from mysql.com |
| 03:39.22 | diegoviola | i think |
| 03:39.29 | bullgard4 | jpinx: Nota bene: 'Transport Layer' != 'a transport'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_layer does not mention 'a transport' a single time. |
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| 03:40.53 | jpinx | bullgard4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_(disambiguation) |
| 03:41.20 | jpinx | bullgard4: # Transport, in computer networking, the function of issuing and responding to service requests in transport layers and associated transport protocols |
| 03:41.59 | \amethyst | bullgard4: read as 'underlying protocol'. especially since 1. isn't talking about a transport-layer protocol at all |
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| 03:47.05 | bullgard4 | jpinx, \amethyst Ah! Thank you very much for explaining. |
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| 04:15.56 | christos | hello i have problem with my hard drive, so i run through live -cd, but, still i'm having problems with hd despite running live-cd and using ramdisk. |
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| 04:18.21 | Mood | is it possible to install ndiswrapper from a fresh debian install without an ethernet connection? i downloaded ndiswrapper source but it seems like there's about 40+ dependencies |
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| 04:22.27 | pickcoder | Mood: get the depends list from apt-cache show ndiswrapper |
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| 04:22.37 | pickcoder | check those packages for sub-depends |
| 04:22.41 | pickcoder | then download all of them |
| 04:22.44 | pickcoder | or install temp nic |
| 04:22.46 | pickcoder | :) |
| 04:23.11 | \amethyst | Mood: you can build the module on another system and copy it over |
| 04:23.22 | pickcoder | I wouldn't run the distro version, personally |
| 04:23.31 | pickcoder | the latest source is typically eons ahead of the "stable" release |
| 04:23.32 | hark | ndiswrapper is still used? |
| 04:23.48 | pickcoder | hark: sometimes you have no choice |
| 04:24.00 | pickcoder | not everyone plays nice the GNU playground |
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| 04:24.06 | pickcoder | s/the/in the/ |
| 04:24.18 | Mood | i have a wireless linksys card w/ rt61 chipset i found on ralink, but i don't know what to do with the open source driver :-( |
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| 04:25.34 | Mood | \amethyst: i can copy over a binary version from a xubuntu install /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper to my debian install? |
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| 04:26.39 | Mood | pickcoder: apt-cache show ndiswrapper-common doesn't show any dependencies, but i know there are many |
| 04:27.19 | dan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.21 | dan | conceptually even further away from his goals. Attending the school of |
| 04:27.24 | dan | Biological Sciences at the Mayo Research Institute in Rochester had been |
| 04:27.27 | dan | a great opportunity ... and doing it at age 16 was an even greater honor. |
| 04:27.29 | dan | The sandy-haired youth had been so bored with typical schooling, it had |
| 04:27.32 | dan | even started to bring down his impressive G.P.A. back home in Montana. |
| 04:27.34 | dan | It had been his parents and counselors who decided that early college |
| 04:27.37 | dan | placement would be the appropriate setting for his studies. |
| 04:27.39 | dan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.39 | Mood | ignore dan all |
| 04:27.42 | dan | during the past six months that he felt certain he'd gain his |
| 04:27.43 | Mood | whhops |
| 04:27.44 | dan | undergraduate degree inside of three more years. The only problem wathat |
| 04:27.47 | dan | he missed the familiar faces and comforts of home. |
| 04:27.47 | liable | !ops dan needs a kick |
| 04:27.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: dan needs a kick |
| 04:27.49 | dan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.52 | dan | down the heat on the amino compound he'd been working on and ran his |
| 04:27.54 | dan | fingers through his hair. It wasn't as if he didn't have anyone to |
| 04:27.57 | dan | talk to; he called home every Sunday and even chatted with a couple of |
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| 04:27.59 | dan | the guys from BioChem after class on Tuesday and Thursday. He even had |
| 04:28.02 | dan | met Christa... She was the type of girlfriend who almost made him feel |
| 04:28.04 | dan | welcome and ... normal. |
| 04:28.07 | dan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:28.20 | liable | ta |
| 04:28.52 | Orbjinzo | Anyone around? |
| 04:29.03 | streuner__ | just ask |
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| 04:29.28 | Orbjinzo | Im trying to install gnome2-globalmenu applet in lenny no luck |
| 04:29.37 | Orbjinzo | from source |
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| 04:29.53 | Mood | is ndiswrapper being deprecated nowadays? |
| 04:29.57 | hark | Mood: http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci#head-f0dcfa9f91468aafcf4b6dbeadaa44a250f05e61 |
| 04:30.20 | pickcoder | is atriangle |
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| 04:30.48 | streuner | dpkg, ndiswrapper |
| 04:30.48 | dpkg | hmm... ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used in Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:31.00 | hark | !rt61 |
| 04:31.01 | dpkg | The Ralink RT61 PCI chipsets (RT2501/RT2561, RT2600/RT2661) are supported by the enhanced legacy driver (rt61) and next-generation driver (rt61pci), both available from the <rt2x00> project. Firmware is required to be loaded before driver operation. See http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci for driver and firmware installation instructions. See also <ralink firmware>, <rt2x00>. |
| 04:32.11 | hark | all you need is build-essential and the headers for ndiswrapper |
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| 04:32.24 | pickcoder | and the latest ndiswrapper source... :) |
| 04:32.45 | streuner | well, ndisrapper is/was in Debian |
| 04:32.52 | streuner | ndiswrapper even |
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| 04:33.05 | streuner | judd, versions ndiswrapper |
| 04:33.05 | judd | streuner: ndiswrapper -- |
| 04:33.08 | Mood | hark: thanks for the install instructions on lenny. but i don't have a wired ethernet card so i have to download from a different machine and then copy it over |
| 04:33.09 | streuner | hm |
| 04:33.10 | hark | oh, it's not updated in debian? |
| 04:33.24 | hark | judd: versions ndiswrapper-source |
| 04:33.24 | judd | hark: ndiswrapper-source -- etch: 1.28-1 etch-security: 1.28-1+etch1 lenny: 1.53-2 sid: 1.53-2 squeeze: 1.53-2 |
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| 04:34.03 | liable | i thought rt61 is packaged |
| 04:34.06 | hark | Mood: should be easier than ndiswrapper |
| 04:34.23 | Mood | i don't even think the base debian install comes with iwconfig |
| 04:34.35 | Mood | nor ifconfig |
| 04:34.42 | streuner | heh |
| 04:34.47 | liable | it doesnt if you dont install over wireless |
| 04:34.54 | liable | does come with ifconfig |
| 04:35.27 | Mood | ifconfig may be on the install disc, but it doesn't come in the HD install by default it seems |
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| 04:36.01 | liable | it does |
| 04:36.03 | hark | Mood: which laptop is this? |
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| 04:36.23 | Mood | hark: not a laptop. desktop intel p3 500 MHz |
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| 04:36.50 | streuner | amset:/home/streuner# dpkg -S /sbin/ifconfig, Priority important ... |
| 04:37.15 | streuner | Package: net-tools |
| 04:37.24 | pickcoder | Mood: AT? |
| 04:37.34 | streuner | well, i thought ifconfig is base, but it isnt |
| 04:37.44 | Mood | pickcoder: what is AT? |
| 04:37.52 | liable | streuner: it is, even if you deselect base, it is installed |
| 04:38.18 | Mood | liable: perhaps ifconfig is not installed since i didn't have an ethernet card during install |
| 04:38.25 | liable | a debootstrap install might not install it |
| 04:38.37 | streuner | liable: but not essential, so it could be, its used in this install-iso, but not in any... |
| 04:38.46 | pickcoder | Mood: the power standard? |
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| 04:38.49 | liable | Mood: ah right. |
| 04:38.53 | pickcoder | is it an AT, not ATX system? |
| 04:39.15 | Mood | pickcoder: i have no idea what power standard, AT, or ATX system means... i'm just learning debian |
| 04:39.36 | pickcoder | does it have a mechanical power button or a soft-touch |
| 04:39.51 | liable | Mood: busybox comes with the ip set of commands though, so you can still configure |
| 04:39.53 | Mood | pickcoder: err... a power button |
| 04:40.25 | pickcoder | ok.. never mind |
| 04:40.46 | pickcoder | just going to say if it's AT, good luck finding a new power supply now-a-days |
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| 04:41.09 | Mood | red herring? :-) |
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| 04:42.08 | Mood | liable: busybox comes standard on base install of debian? |
| 04:42.33 | liable | Mood: yep |
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| 04:42.50 | Mood | ok cool. let me fire up my debian box and check |
| 04:43.18 | liable | hmm, hmm, actually, its optional.. |
| 04:43.45 | liable | when a kernel hangs it usually drops you to busybox though |
| 04:44.10 | liable | i think i'll give up before i make any more assertions |
| 04:44.31 | streuner | !moo |
| 04:44.32 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 04:46.38 | streuner | liable: still summer in .au? |
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| 04:47.14 | liable | aye |
| 04:47.31 | Mood | ahh... found something. $PATH does not include /usr/sbin by default. hence where ifconfig wasn't showing. but it is confirmed to have installed on base debian install |
| 04:48.01 | Mood | PATH doesn't include /sbin/* |
| 04:48.14 | streuner | amset:/home/streuner# locate ifconfig |
| 04:48.14 | streuner | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 04:48.15 | liable | you need to be root for it to be in your path |
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| 04:50.24 | Mood | i see i have busybox... not sure how it'll help me install the open source ralink driver though for my linksys wifi device |
| 04:50.25 | pickcoder | [liable] Invalid pointer assertion: kernel halt |
| 04:51.13 | liable | Mood: it wont :) but you can configure it when you do ;) |
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| 04:51.25 | liable | Mood: actually, you need wireless-tools as well anyway |
| 04:51.52 | Mood | looks like i need both firmware-ralink and wireless-tools |
| 04:52.04 | liable | Mood: you are unfortunately going to have to manually install kernel-headers, make, gcc and the source fr the driver |
| 04:52.17 | liable | plus whatever depends they have |
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| 04:52.39 | Mood | ugh... too many dependencies to try to install w/o ethernet connection... |
| 04:52.40 | liable | Mood: which is not a fun job, and especially not for a new debian user |
| 04:52.51 | streuner | Mood: what kind of laptop? |
| 04:53.03 | Mood | streuner: not a lappy, desktop, intel p3 500 MHz |
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| 04:53.23 | liable | why doesnt the ethernet card have support for such an old box? |
| 04:53.37 | liable | Mood: whats the card in it? |
| 04:53.50 | Mood | linksys wifi rt61 chipset |
| 04:53.56 | liable | the ethernet |
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| 04:54.06 | Mood | no ethernet, that is the problem i face |
| 04:54.17 | liable | no ethernet card in it at all? |
| 04:54.17 | streuner | well, just buy one second hand |
| 04:54.29 | streuner | 1 buck usually |
| 04:54.37 | Mood | streuner: where? |
| 04:54.53 | Mood | liable: no ethernet card at all. i wanted to install debian via wifi card |
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| 04:55.12 | Mood | streuner: ok, nevermind my question. it was silly |
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| 04:56.08 | streuner | how are you connected to internet?? |
| 04:56.16 | streuner | now |
| 04:56.21 | Mood | my xubuntu :-) |
| 04:56.45 | streuner | well, you use internet :-) ... |
| 04:57.11 | streuner | so just get all debs, like liable already told you |
| 04:58.07 | Mood | so from a separate machine, install kernel-headers, make, gcc and the source for the wifi driver? |
| 04:58.25 | hark | no |
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| 04:59.03 | Mood | whoa, sorry, i meant from a separate download all the dependencies, copy them over to debian, then go thru all? |
| 04:59.19 | hark | the driver is already in the kernel |
| 04:59.27 | liable | Mood: go to packages.debian.org and get the debs for those programs, put them on some media, and install them on the target box with dpkg |
| 04:59.29 | Mood | oh really? |
| 04:59.50 | Mood | hark: linksys open source drivers are already installed by default? |
| 05:00.01 | Mood | how do i check? |
| 05:00.14 | Mood | where would any installed drivers reside? |
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| 05:00.41 | hark | Mood: didn't you read the rt61 link? |
| 05:00.52 | hark | or are you the same person?? |
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| 05:01.20 | streuner | /lib/modules/2.6.28-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt61pci.ko |
| 05:01.22 | Mood | hark: i did, but it says to use aptitude to install firmware-ralink and wireless-tools... but i don't have a connection via ethernet card on that debian machine |
| 05:01.59 | hark | Mood: how were you planning on installing ndiswrapper in the first place then? |
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| 05:02.08 | rindolf | Hi all |
| 05:02.21 | hark | get the debs from pdo and just install it |
| 05:02.55 | streuner | well, you need the firmware and some basic packages - not more |
| 05:03.02 | rindolf | I'm running Debian stable inside a VirtualBox VM. I edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf to make sure that I have a 1024*768 resolution, but now my viewport is too large. |
| 05:03.03 | pickcoder | Mood: you need 3 debs for the ralink driver.. firmware-ralink, wireless-tools, and libiw29 |
| 05:03.09 | pickcoder | install them in reverse order |
| 05:03.18 | rindolf | I mean the virtual screen size (with scrolling) is bigger than the window. |
| 05:03.29 | rindolf | How can I adjust it? |
| 05:05.32 | Mood | ok thanks everyone... i'm going to try downloading the 3 debs and installing them one by one in reverse order as pickcoder suggested |
| 05:05.45 | Mood | but one question for streuner: were you saying the driver is already present in lenny? |
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| 05:07.15 | Mood | streuner: i see what you mean... i found the driver on my HD install |
| 05:08.05 | pickcoder | Mood: hardware drivers are a factor of the kernel, not always the distro release |
| 05:08.53 | \amethyst | the debian kernel has the driver but not the firmware for the card |
| 05:09.09 | \amethyst | without the firmware the driver can't do anything |
| 05:09.21 | \amethyst | or, rather, the card can't do anything |
| 05:09.34 | pickcoder | kernel 2.6.26 contains it, which happens to be the default kernel on Lenny |
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| 05:14.06 | Mood | ahh, ok. i think i'm understanding. i need to now download and install firmware-ralink and wireless-tools and libiw29 i think... |
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| 05:14.31 | pickcoder | download to a usb stick, plug it in, and then use dpkg -i <file.deb> for each package file |
| 05:14.44 | Hydroxide | ttp://tinyurl.com/bw7rba |
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| 05:14.53 | Hydroxide | oops, apologies for the spam |
| 05:14.55 | Mood | pickcoder: ahh excellent. thank you |
| 05:14.56 | Hydroxide | copy and paste mishap |
| 05:15.25 | gaintsura | Kernel Panic - not syncing, attempting to kill init <- wtf? and /init: /init: 151: syntax error: 0xauto |
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| 05:15.52 | liable | gaintsura: did you build a rc kernel or something? |
| 05:17.06 | Lagaro | any suggestions for getting debian onto a system that A. cannot boot off of CDs B. has no floppy drive C. has no working operating system? I've tried putting the hard drive into a caddy then installing via a bootstrap, but no luck so far (doesn't create a /dev/[sh]da device node) |
| 05:17.31 | liable | Lagaro: can it boot from usb? |
| 05:17.43 | Lagaro | liable: no USB port on it either |
| 05:17.49 | gaintsura | liable: I'm working with bootcd utils |
| 05:17.51 | superjet_ | `nginx 403 forbidden` when vist localhost/wordpress which works under lighttpd, however its ok visting http://localhost, need to adjust setsuid like to nginx or chmod to /usr/share/wordpress? |
| 05:18.07 | liable | Lagaro: you sure its a computer, not an abacus? ;) |
| 05:18.21 | Mood | how can i see whether libc6 is installed? |
| 05:18.27 | Lagaro | liable: it's a toshiba 410CS, with a blazing fast 30MHz Pentium I |
| 05:18.31 | liable | Lagaro: what you are doing (in the caddy) is your best bet |
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| 05:19.05 | liable | Lagaro: how much ram? |
| 05:19.14 | Lagaro | liable: aye, I thought so. then, how can I force initrd to load extra modules to (hopefully) load the required driver for the IDE bus? |
| 05:19.17 | Mood | is there a way of seeing which libraries i have installed in my debian install? |
| 05:19.19 | Lagaro | liable: 40MB of RAM |
| 05:19.25 | liable | just enough |
| 05:19.38 | Lagaro | Mood: ls /lib/, or dpkg -l |grep lib could work |
| 05:19.45 | Lagaro | liable: yep |
| 05:19.46 | Mood | ah ok, thanks lagaro |
| 05:19.50 | gaintsura | liable: that got fixed... I'm sitting at (initramfs) ? I've never seen this before, the cd was supposed to boot as if it was a livecd (I'm thinking) |
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| 05:20.03 | schutzhund1 | is there anyway I can use apt-cache search to search a certain repository? |
| 05:20.47 | pickcoder | Lagaro: does it have a nic that supports PXE? |
| 05:20.50 | liable | Lagaro: put the modules in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules and rebuild the initrd |
| 05:21.02 | pickcoder | or can you plug one it that supports it? |
| 05:21.24 | Lagaro | pickcoder: the PCMCIA card slots are all disconnected for some reason |
| 05:21.30 | Lagaro | pickcoder: no built in NIC |
| 05:21.35 | pickcoder | that's one safe computer! |
| 05:21.39 | Lagaro | liable: ok, I'll try that . . . |
| 05:21.42 | pickcoder | nothings getting in there... |
| 05:21.55 | Malf | not even an os... |
| 05:22.00 | Lagaro | pickcoder: yep lol . . . |
| 05:22.28 | pickcoder | shorts the serial port on the back |
| 05:22.32 | liable | gaintsura: its been a while since i have had a kenel panic with that error, usually from me screwing around with new kernels and configs |
| 05:22.40 | Lagaro | Malf: well, I've got GRUB on it. that's an OS unto it's own |
| 05:22.50 | Malf | true |
| 05:22.55 | Mood | libraries usually don't have dependencies themselves, do they? |
| 05:23.03 | liable | Lagaro: if you have grub on it, you can copy a hdmedia image and initrd to do an install |
| 05:23.12 | pickcoder | Mood: yes.. other libraries |
| 05:23.22 | pickcoder | the package page will tell you what it needs |
| 05:23.27 | Mood | pickcoder: ack. ok. so i need to trace each |
| 05:23.41 | liable | Lagaro: but, meh, that of course needs internet to install.. |
| 05:23.57 | liable | so back at square one |
| 05:24.10 | pickcoder | I did a depends lookup for wireless-tools and it only needs the libiw29 |
| 05:24.13 | Mood | i guess libc6.1 isn't installed in the default debian distro either :-s |
| 05:24.18 | pickcoder | that depends on libc6 which I _hope_ is installed |
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| 05:24.56 | Mood | libc6 is confirmed to have been installed. but i don't think i have libc6.1 |
| 05:26.00 | gaintsura | liable: now I'm seeing: /bin/sh cant access tty; job control turned off. |
| 05:26.14 | Lagaro | liable: I suppose I'll try rebuilding the initrd with extra modules. I did the debootstrap on a computer with a SATA HD, and the laptop has a IDE HD |
| 05:26.20 | Mood | wtf - wireless-tools -> libc6.1 -> libgcc1 -> libc6.1 -- isn't that a circular reference? |
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| 05:26.34 | Lagaro | liable: not sure if that's what caused the problem, but it seems likely to me |
| 05:26.43 | liable | Lagaro: yeah, add ide-generic and whatever your ata controller module would be |
| 05:26.47 | troubled | anyone experienced with installing debian on a fresh drive on a G3? seems to want some newworld existing apple partition |
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| 05:27.14 | Lagaro | liable: that's my thinking, aye |
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| 05:27.59 | hark | Mood: you sure you got the debs for lenny and not squeeze/sid? |
| 05:28.17 | Mood | hark: i'm sure i have lenny |
| 05:28.44 | pickcoder | it depends on libc6 >= 2.7-1 |
| 05:28.46 | liable | Mood: make sure you select from stable when you search on packages.debian.org |
| 05:29.10 | pickcoder | the default is "testing" in the packages search IIRC |
| 05:29.57 | Mood | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/wireless-tools shows libc6.1 as a dependency... am i going crazy? or does it not really need it? |
| 05:30.21 | \amethyst | Mood: that's for alpha and ia64 only |
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| 05:30.38 | \amethyst | Mood: # |
| 05:30.40 | \amethyst | dep: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) [not alpha, ia64] |
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| 05:30.50 | Mood | ahh..... ok. i didn't really know what that meant... now i know :-) |
| 05:32.11 | Sertse | hi, I'm curious to debian procedure to apps that aren't really developed anymore, but mainly because its "complete" and there's no more to do? |
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| 05:32.50 | hark | actually the dependencies won't matter, they're all the same version |
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| 05:49.16 | Mood | do i need to keep all the *.deb files in a specific location? or can i just log in as root and dpkg -i lib.deb from anywhere? |
| 05:49.53 | Lagaro | Mood: apt will put your cache in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 05:50.06 | Lagaro | Mood: it does not matter where they are |
| 05:50.20 | Lagaro | Mood: but when you're done, I'd personally stick 'em in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:50.31 | Mood | Larago: i'm not using apt, i'm just dpkg -i a raw binary file i downloaded locally |
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| 05:51.24 | Mood | Lagaro: or did you mean apt automatically just sticks all .deb files into /var/cache/apt/archives, and if i do it manually with dpkg i should do the same? |
| 05:51.29 | failcake | hello, how do i install openssl-devel? aptitude search doesn't see that package |
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| 05:56.51 | Lagaro | failcake: openssl-dev is probably a better bet |
| 05:57.01 | Lagaro | failcake: one moment, I'll take a look for it |
| 05:57.09 | worr | Lagaro: it doesn't exist |
| 05:57.23 | Lagaro | worr: I realize that, I'm looking . . . |
| 05:57.40 | Mood | lspci isn't installed on default debian install either :-( |
| 05:57.43 | Lagaro | failcake: is this it? "libssl-dev - SSL development libraries, header files and documentation" |
| 05:57.46 | worr | Lagaro: I checked apt, and packages |
| 05:57.48 | Lagaro | Mood: it's in pciutils |
| 05:57.55 | failcake | Lagaro: i'll try that. thanks |
| 05:57.59 | worr | .debian.org |
| 05:58.01 | Mood | Lagaro: ah, ok. thanks |
| 05:58.23 | failcake | Lagaro: i don't have that in my search list |
| 05:58.32 | failcake | wait |
| 05:58.38 | failcake | n/m.. spelling error. sorry |
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| 05:59.03 | Lagaro | failcake: sok, can't tell you how many times I've done that . . . |
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| 06:00.01 | Lagaro | oh yea, and if anybody can manage to find the type of ide controller that a toshiba sattelite pro 410CS has, that would be excellent . . . I can't find it heh |
| 06:00.07 | Mood | Lagaro: do you know where pciutils is? |
| 06:00.19 | Lagaro | Mood: I think it's pciutils . . . |
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| 06:00.47 | Lagaro | Mood: yea, it's pciutils . . . |
| 06:00.54 | Mood | directory? |
| 06:01.14 | Mood | the /pciutils dir doesn't exist for me |
| 06:01.17 | Lagaro | Mood: uhh, on the install CD? or what? |
| 06:01.28 | Lagaro | Mood: it's a package . . . |
| 06:01.31 | Mood | ah |
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| 06:01.35 | Mood | ok... i need to install that |
| 06:01.39 | Mood | thank you Lagaro |
| 06:02.17 | Lagaro | Mood: no prob, it's why I'm here :) |
| 06:02.47 | failcake | hm.. how do i restart xinetd on debian? |
| 06:02.49 | failcake | <- debian noob |
| 06:03.11 | Lagaro | failcake: /etc/init.d/<name> restart |
| 06:03.23 | Lagaro | failcake: we all were a newbie once, don't worry |
| 06:03.25 | failcake | yeah, for a paticular service. |
| 06:04.11 | Mood | if a library is defined as "libpci3 (= 1:3.0.0-6)", does it mean i don't require it on Lenny? |
| 06:04.23 | Lagaro | failcake: so, are you trying to restart inetd? . . . |
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| 06:04.44 | failcake | Lagaro: i suppose.. /etc/init.d/nrpe restart , permission denied |
| 06:04.46 | \amethyst | Mood: that means it requires exactly that version of libpci3, no earlier, no later |
| 06:04.49 | Lagaro | Mood: it's a dependancy. requires the exact version of the libpci3 library 3.0.0-6 |
| 06:04.54 | Lagaro | failcake: as root |
| 06:04.55 | failcake | the files are 644, they don't look like scripts |
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| 06:05.04 | Lagaro | failcake: really? odd . . . |
| 06:05.08 | failcake | Lagaro: :) i am root. i'm a debian noob, not a nix noob |
| 06:05.10 | Mood | \amethyst and Lagaro: ahh, ok thanks. i guess i need that one too |
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| 06:05.50 | Lagaro | failcake: heh, sorry :P. Here's an example from my system . . . "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3710 2009-01-13 18:07 ssh" |
| 06:05.50 | failcake | hah! |
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| 06:06.02 | failcake | foudn it |
| 06:06.06 | Lagaro | failcake: ahh |
| 06:06.11 | failcake | # /etc/init.d/xinetd restart |
| 06:06.15 | failcake | google ftw |
| 06:06.39 | Lagaro | failcake: aye heh |
| 06:07.15 | failcake | Lagaro: that ssh file, is in init.d, not xinetd |
| 06:07.23 | failcake | those permissions are different |
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| 06:07.54 | Lagaro | failcake: ohh, sorry heh. I've never really used inetd that much :P |
| 06:08.03 | failcake | i only use it for nrpe |
| 06:08.09 | \amethyst | failcake: /etc/init.d/xinetd reload might work too, and is likely to be less disruptive |
| 06:08.40 | Lagaro | \amethyst: aye, that it would. just reloads config IIRC . . . ? |
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| 06:09.31 | \amethyst | probably, by sending a HUP |
| 06:09.50 | \amethyst | at least I assume xinetd works that way, since every other inetd does |
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| 06:10.34 | Lagaro | \amethyst: reasonable assumption |
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| 06:16.14 | geekbr | hey, sameone can say about kde4 on unstable + experimental ? |
| 06:16.28 | Mood | my lspci does not recognize the pci device (linksys wifi card w/ rt61 chipset)... what should i do next? |
| 06:17.11 | CaT[t3] | run update-pciids |
| 06:17.13 | geekbr | Mood: iwconfig and take a look if your board are there |
| 06:17.30 | Mood | geekbr: nope. i only see lo |
| 06:17.40 | Mood | i followed the directions from http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci#head-f0dcfa9f91468aafcf4b6dbeadaa44a250f05e61 |
| 06:17.49 | geekbr | Mood: search on google for help to install |
| 06:17.52 | Mood | well... not using aptitude, but manual dpkg |
| 06:18.16 | geekbr | Mood: aptitude are bether .. |
| 06:18.31 | Mood | cannot use aptitude... not connected via ethernet card |
| 06:19.08 | Mood | i think i have to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:19.11 | geekbr | Mood: try do, because you can find for adaptador modules on aptitude |
| 06:19.36 | Mood | geekbr: long story, but i can't use aptitude now... i have to use dpkg... but thank you for the suggestion |
| 06:19.39 | geekbr | Mood: no ... firt of all, you need see what is the board module |
| 06:20.17 | geekbr | make coofee |
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| 06:21.12 | Lagaro | well, g'night everybody |
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| 06:22.36 | worr | Mood: what do you have installed so far? |
| 06:23.10 | worr | do you have the firmware-ralink installed? |
| 06:23.44 | Mood | worr: yes, i installed it via dpkg -i |
| 06:24.02 | worr | ok, did you load the module? |
| 06:24.11 | Mood | worr: modprobe rt61pci? yes |
| 06:24.30 | worr | ok, and you're looking to set up your network? |
| 06:24.37 | Mood | worr: yes |
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| 06:24.42 | worr | yeah, then you're right you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:24.54 | worr | what's your wireless interface? |
| 06:24.57 | worr | wlan0? |
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| 06:25.19 | Mood | worr: wlan0... i already put it in /etc/network/interfaces and tried ifup wlan0.. no go |
| 06:25.40 | worr | ok, what did you put in there? |
| 06:25.42 | Mood | it says "no such device wlan0" |
| 06:25.59 | worr | it should be something like: |
| 06:25.59 | Mood | worr: two lines |
| 06:26.06 | Mood | auto wlan0 |
| 06:26.11 | Mood | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 06:26.14 | Mood | that's all |
| 06:26.37 | Mood | ifup wlan0 complains there's no such device as wlan0 |
| 06:26.48 | worr | hmmm... |
| 06:26.51 | Mood | but i noticed lspci does not list the device |
| 06:27.05 | Mood | maybe it's not seated correctly in the pci slot? |
| 06:27.09 | Mood | let me check... |
| 06:27.11 | worr | that could be it. |
| 06:27.11 | Mood | brb |
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| 06:37.18 | Mood | worr: that was it -- the pci card was not seated correctly.. now i can see it with lspci. yay! |
| 06:37.51 | worr | Yay! |
| 06:37.52 | Mood | but should /etc/network/interfaces contain both auto lo and auto wlan0? the debian wiki only has wlan0 but some other sites specify both |
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| 06:38.04 | worr | you could one line them if you want |
| 06:38.06 | worr | auto lo wlan0 |
| 06:38.22 | Mood | i think i need a loopback device, no? |
| 06:38.23 | worr | but all it means whether or not it tries to connect the interface or not during boot |
| 06:38.28 | worr | yeah, you do |
| 06:38.32 | worr | so keep auto lo |
| 06:38.40 | Mood | ok, i'll keep lo |
| 06:39.01 | worr | but if you dont want wlan0 to be brought up on boot, or with ifup -a, then leave out auto wlan0 |
| 06:39.08 | worr | did ifup wlan0 work? |
| 06:39.28 | Mood | worr: checking... |
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| 06:39.57 | worr | also, are you just gonna connect this to one and only one wireless network? |
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| 06:40.13 | worr | or is this a laptop you're gonna take to a lot of different places? |
| 06:40.20 | Mood | worr: desktop |
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| 06:40.38 | Mood | worr: ifconfig and iwconfig recognizes wlan0! it works! yay! |
| 06:40.57 | worr | do you wanna set it up so it connects to the same network all the time? |
| 06:41.04 | worr | on boot? |
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| 06:41.14 | Mood | worr: yup, so i'll leave auto wlan0 |
| 06:41.19 | worr | well, there's more |
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| 06:41.27 | worr | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:41.45 | worr | what kind of protection do you have on your network? |
| 06:41.49 | worr | wpa, wep? |
| 06:41.51 | worr | or none? |
| 06:42.41 | Mood | worr: yup, i've got wep (yeah yeah yeah i know it's insecure) so i need to put the security info in there too |
| 06:42.51 | worr | ok yeah, it's pretty easy |
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| 06:43.12 | worr | you need a wireless-essid "your essid" line after the iface wlan0 |
| 06:43.38 | worr | and you need you need a wireless-key 0000000000 |
| 06:43.56 | worr | so your file should look like: |
| 06:43.59 | Mood | worr: yep |
| 06:44.06 | worr | oh, you're good? |
| 06:44.13 | Mood | think so |
| 06:44.24 | worr | kk, i'll be around if you need more help |
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| 06:44.35 | Mood | kewl. thanks worr! |
| 06:44.59 | Mood | and thanks pickcoder and liable! |
| 06:45.10 | Mood | i think's it's gonna work! whee! :-) |
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| 06:47.08 | stefan | Goodmorning |
| 06:47.17 | worr | morning! |
| 06:47.26 | worr | Mood: you get an ip? |
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| 06:50.40 | stefan | I have a problem and i don't know what is wrong. I installed hdapsd, changed $DISK="hda" to $DISK="sda". On boot i got "hdapsd not started: .../block/hda" but the skript should say .../block/$DISK |
| 06:50.40 | Mood | worr: still configuring wep |
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| 06:50.40 | stefan | i think there must be another skript but fgrep on etc didn't bring any result |
| 06:50.54 | stefan | does debian do some package related postinstalls on startup? |
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| 06:51.35 | worr | no, i'm pretty sure it doesn't |
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| 06:52.06 | stefan | so where does hda come from? |
| 06:52.37 | aixenv | any of you guys know how to suppress the kernel update "OK" screen? |
| 06:52.44 | aixenv | i tried using expect but never could get it going |
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| 06:53.10 | aixenv | i have googled and googled for options within the preseed to possibly supress it, but no luck |
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| 06:54.11 | aixenv | i imagine there might be some debconf optoin too but thus far no luck |
| 06:55.17 | worr | stefan: did you change the variable in the script? |
| 06:55.37 | worr | cause they set $DISK in the init script |
| 06:55.41 | \amethyst | aixenv: hm... does setting DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive in the env help? |
| 06:55.48 | \amethyst | aixenv: hi :) |
| 06:55.50 | Mood | worr: ping works! yay! |
| 06:56.01 | worr | mood: yay |
| 06:56.07 | aixenv | amethyst: haha, i've tried that |
| 06:56.15 | aixenv | actually |
| 06:56.20 | aixenv | that was for postfix |
| 06:56.26 | aixenv | i ended up automating that within preseed |
| 06:56.31 | jerome | hi there, what apt proxy/cache software would you recommend for a personal LAN with 3 to 5 Debian x86 machines running sid ? There are a lot of them (apt-proxy, apt-cacher). I'd just like to save me some time when upgrading. |
| 06:56.37 | aixenv | ill test, one sec need to boot up a vm |
| 06:56.46 | stefan | yes in the skript |
| 06:56.55 | stefan | the skript works |
| 06:57.02 | Mood | getting a strange interface "wmaster0" that i didn't specify |
| 06:58.01 | worr | well, if you set $DISK IN the script, it should just work |
| 06:58.15 | worr | i'm looking through it right now, and it uses $DISK everywhere, and not hda |
| 06:58.30 | Mood | oh nevermind about wmaster0... i think it's normal checking googles |
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| 06:58.44 | worr | mood: yeah i got one of those |
| 06:59.01 | stefan | i searched the message which i get on boot. I only found the string in /var/log/apt/term.log |
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| 07:00.41 | aixenv | im amaxed there arent more ppl out there discussing on google, maybe im just searching the wrong strings |
| 07:01.37 | aixenv | this vm should be up in a sec, then ill snapshot it |
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| 07:03.07 | worr | stefan: yeah that message isn't in the script, it think start-stop-daemon prints it |
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| 07:03.35 | stefan | i think i found the problem in /etc/default/hdapsd which has a entry DISK="hda" |
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| 07:03.43 | Mood | is there a "sudo apt-get" equivalent in debian like ubuntu? |
| 07:03.50 | Mood | or do i just have to login as root? |
| 07:03.59 | stefan | this is evaluated after my $DISK set |
| 07:04.24 | aixenv | Mood: eh? |
| 07:04.48 | aixenv | apt-get and sudo both work in debian |
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| 07:05.04 | Mood | oh... sudo wasn't working just now... lemme check again |
| 07:05.09 | aixenv | altho i always run that as root |
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| 07:05.36 | Mood | aixenv: i have just the base install, so i don't think sudo is installed |
| 07:05.37 | liable | Mood: debian doesnt add you to the sudoers file like ubuntu, you have to do it yourself |
| 07:05.40 | liable | !sudo |
| 07:05.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
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| 07:06.00 | aixenv | Mood: apt-get comes with the base install |
| 07:06.19 | Mood | ah, ok. thanks liable and aixenv |
| 07:06.23 | aixenv | look at what liable said, are you getting an error or is it just not there? |
| 07:06.40 | Mood | i did a "which sudo" as root and it said not found |
| 07:06.41 | liable | Mood: see man sudoers |
| 07:06.46 | liable | install it |
| 07:06.47 | worr | stefan: yeah that would do it |
| 07:07.52 | worr | you dont *need* sudo |
| 07:08.09 | aixenv | Mood :actually, i just install a base and 'sudo' wasnt there, heh, just run 'apt-get install sudo' and you'll have it, it'll create the /etc/sudoers also |
| 07:08.26 | aixenv | *installed |
| 07:08.34 | worr | and if you do use sudo, you *should* use visudo to edit it |
| 07:08.41 | worr | visudo comes with sudo |
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| 07:09.28 | aixenv | it's a good practice to use sudo and run as a user when you're kinda new to things, but once you know what to do and not do on an administrative type of basis, it just causes you to type more hah |
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| 07:09.44 | worr | you should always run as a user, yeah |
| 07:09.50 | worr | but i just su when i need to |
| 07:09.51 | aixenv | amethyst: ok i got a base install snapshotted, testing dist-upgrade |
| 07:09.55 | worr | and you CAN run x apps with su |
| 07:10.11 | Mood | strange... i just tried a 'apt-cache search sudo' and sudoers, and it returned nothing |
| 07:10.15 | aixenv | i run X as a user, but when i ssh to work, i su in as my user and then su to root heh |
| 07:10.25 | aixenv | mood: just try 'apt-get install sudo' |
| 07:10.45 | Mood | oh shoot... i think i have to fix my repositories |
| 07:10.54 | aixenv | try apt-get update |
| 07:11.06 | worr | yeah, the installer should give you sane repos |
| 07:11.07 | aixenv | ok here go amethyst |
| 07:11.44 | worr | but also, you can limit the people who can use su |
| 07:11.44 | txqq | hey, when i was configuring the gnome-terminal ,my os(lenny) crash ,what should i do? |
| 07:11.44 | worr | su really isn't that inflexible |
| 07:11.44 | liable | Mood: because you installed from cd, you have to add a net source to your sources.list |
| 07:11.46 | liable | and comment the cd line |
| 07:12.16 | aixenv | omg |
| 07:12.19 | aixenv | i love you amethyst :P |
| 07:12.20 | worr | doesn't the cd installer give you some net sources? |
| 07:12.21 | Mood | liable: ahh, ok |
| 07:12.28 | aixenv | yay no more prompts! |
| 07:12.31 | worr | i thought you chose those during the installs |
| 07:12.44 | liable | worr: not if you dont have net connected during install |
| 07:12.50 | aixenv | i was trying readline and other options u are the man dude |
| 07:12.55 | aixenv | i just gotta update my post install script now |
| 07:13.43 | parsonsd | ok - one of the machines at work IS at sarge. one was sarge and MAY have been upgraded to etch. then again, it may still be sarge (tho /etc/debian_version says 4.0) that just kept getting "stable" updates after sarge->etch. is there an issue if i "dist-upgrade" if it is really already etch? |
| 07:14.18 | aixenv | parsonsd: /etc/debian_version says 4.0 yet ur sure its 3.1? |
| 07:14.40 | parsonsd | --/etc/apt/sources.list NOW points to 'etch' rather than just "stable". |
| 07:14.52 | aixenv | i would say as long as there's no legacy software that needed sarge, go ahead and update, if your objective is to have etch |
| 07:15.05 | aixenv | if you want it to be etch that is |
| 07:16.37 | parsonsd | aixenv - that's kind of the question. the people before me didnt know to make sure that sources.list pointed to the correct version, and just kept apt-get upgrade-ing. i caught it before lenny cos i started the weekend that elnny came out |
| 07:16.49 | Mood | right now, my /etc/apt/sources.list file only points to security.debian.org, yet the debian faq has 3 listings: http, non-us, and security, should i add http and non-us? |
| 07:17.21 | aixenv | parsonsd : i would first determine if there's any old legacy crap that needs 3.1 (old php sites, etc) that upp'in to etch would cause u issues, if not, i'd upgrade |
| 07:17.24 | parsonsd | there are some packages that still say they are ...-sarge.. |
| 07:17.41 | worr | parsonsd: http://wiki.debian.org/Sarge2EtchUpgrade |
| 07:17.45 | worr | also take a look at that page |
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| 07:17.50 | neonoe_ | plup |
| 07:17.58 | worr | that, and the links it provdes should let you know some things to look out for |
| 07:17.59 | aixenv | Mood: sure thing just set your sources.list |
| 07:18.32 | zhangweiwu | Hello. Since I suffer from time to time on nfs I really wonder how other people uses it. Mostly I suffer from: 1) could not umountn (not with -f) and computer could not shut down; |
| 07:18.49 | Mood | also, i noticed that the faq's security.debian.org listing differs from mine (mine specifies lenny) |
| 07:18.52 | Mood | is that a problem? |
| 07:18.54 | zhangweiwu | 2) during using nfs, suddenly no longer works, any access to the nfs mount point hangs for about 15 min. |
| 07:19.00 | qwaza | zhangweiwu, try reboot -f |
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| 07:19.16 | parsonsd | i just don't know if i "dist-upgrade" and i icking anything if it is already at the version that i'm dist upgrading to. does dist-upgrade do anything different from upgrade in an etch->etch situation |
| 07:19.20 | parsonsd | ? |
| 07:19.31 | aixenv | parsonsd : nope |
| 07:19.32 | qwaza | parsonsd, man apt-get |
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| 07:19.39 | zhangweiwu | qwaza: right now I suffer from 2). What can I do? should i prefer to mount with tcp or udb, which is eaiser to recover from such problem? |
| 07:19.54 | zhangweiwu | udp |
| 07:19.57 | parsonsd | worr - yah, i've been reading the release notes on etch. i don't *think* i'm gonna break anything |
| 07:19.59 | aixenv | parsond: if a system is already etch and it has etch as sources.list if you run dist-upgrade it'll just return to command line and do nada |
| 07:20.28 | parsonsd | aixenv , qwaza - hrm - that's in the man page? |
| 07:20.39 | parsonsd | feels a little embarrased |
| 07:20.53 | aixenv | parsond: i just know that from 1000s of times running apt-get dist-upgrade lol |
| 07:20.54 | qwaza | zhangweiwu, all i can tell you is don't use nfs if possible. Try fuse filesystems |
| 07:21.16 | aixenv | agree w/qwaza, not a fan of nfs , we avoid it always |
| 07:21.20 | zhangweiwu | qwaza: fuse? or samba? I also feel all nfs bring is suffer... |
| 07:21.25 | parsonsd | aixenv - haga |
| 07:21.29 | parsonsd | erm, haha |
| 07:22.02 | qwaza | zhangweiwu, if cross-platform, then only samba. otherwise, try sshfs, httpfs and other *fs from fuse |
| 07:22.17 | qwaza | zhangweiwu, you can mount/unmount them |
| 07:22.23 | xingu | zhangweiwu: nfs4 on tcp. |
| 07:22.49 | qwaza | aixenv, but it seems nf4 is good. but not tried |
| 07:22.55 | zhangweiwu | xingu: are you sying nfs4 on tcp is easier to recover from problem: the kind of problem that all access to nfs files hangs the process? |
| 07:22.57 | qwaza | *nfs4 |
| 07:23.14 | aixenv | qwaza: in our/my env i havent had to do that yet, ill have to try it out though for sure |
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| 07:23.56 | Mood | is it recommended i use "lenny" repos vs. "stable"? |
| 07:24.13 | zhangweiwu | qwaza: I am not sure if I should use ssh, I am heavy user of graphical software as well as media files (where media player usually do random access to the media files) |
| 07:24.42 | qwaza | zhangweiwu, thats why i included httpfs too. but it is flacky at best |
| 07:24.45 | worr | Mood: the only point in that is so that you don't inadvertantly get updated past lenny when new stable comes out |
| 07:24.57 | worr | Mood: so yeah, probably a good idea |
| 07:24.59 | xingu | zhangweiwu: it depends on what the underlying problem is; tcp transport will eliminate a whole class of faults (ie, that the transmit end can fill a pipe but the receiving end can't process a pipe-full of traffic without queueing); nfs4 brings a different-enough coherency/ locking model that the problem, whatever it is, may already be designed around. |
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| 07:25.06 | Mood | worr: oh ok. good idea. thanks |
| 07:25.13 | worr | anytime |
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| 07:26.01 | zhangweiwu | xingu: thanks. I think I try both nfsv4 & httpfs (completely new to me!). |
| 07:26.08 | xingu | zhangweiwu: *all* network filesystems are the wrong idea (a filesystem is kernel context, a network filesystem necessarily is distributed laterally across filesystems); but nfs4 is no better nor worse than any other. |
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| 07:26.24 | xingu | s/across filesystems/across kernel contexts/ |
| 07:26.40 | parsonsd | nfs sucks. |
| 07:26.43 | xingu | zhangweiwu: if you need to share data, try a client/server application model |
| 07:26.44 | parsonsd | the rest suck more. |
| 07:26.59 | qwaza | parsonsd, agreed |
| 07:27.02 | zhangweiwu | another stupid question: using udp is reliable? e.g. would I loose a byte when I save a file and gets told the file successfully saved? |
| 07:27.06 | xingu | "nfs sucks" is the kind of comment people come up with after having failed to diagnose the problem |
| 07:27.16 | qwaza | zhangweiwu, of course |
| 07:27.47 | qwaza | xingu, we could say nfs sucks in security dept |
| 07:27.49 | parsonsd | zhangweiwu - udp can lose data and the point is that the receiver doesn't care that there is a byte missing |
| 07:27.52 | enouf | xingu: is it fair to say; once data is transmitted over network, the deciphering language is all the same |
| 07:27.53 | xingu | zhangweiwu: udp makes the application (nfs client and server) accountable for relability |
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| 07:28.59 | enouf | xingu: IOW, any FStype specific data, once converted to an ethernet packet, is basically generic |
| 07:29.02 | parsonsd | zhangweiwu - the receiver of the data is responsible with either not caring that the data is lost or has a transport method to get that byte back. (usually, the former is performed, not the latter) |
| 07:29.31 | zhangweiwu | xingu:confused. are you saiyng in fact nfs with udp is accountable or not? |
| 07:29.46 | xingu | zhangweiwu: that's a designed-in mistake; to get reliability right you essentially have to implement sctp (or tcp in a pinch); tunnelling either over udp is not going to work well. |
| 07:30.23 | \amethyst | qwaza: with encryption and kerberos it's not so bad |
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| 07:30.31 | parsonsd | qwaza - bah. secure in a tunnel. |
| 07:30.31 | xingu | zhangweiwu: I'm saying that nfs over udp makes the application (the nfs client and server) accountable for reliability; this is part of the problem of nfs over udp. |
| 07:30.56 | zhangweiwu | xingu: okay got it. |
| 07:30.59 | enouf | xingu: i'm excluding all "network" fstypes; samba , nfs, sshfs, etc |
| 07:31.01 | qwaza | parsonsd, is you are ready to do tunnels then why not sshfs directly? |
| 07:31.24 | parsonsd | qwaza - heck no. |
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| 07:31.40 | zhangweiwu | in general thanks. had to quit. |
| 07:31.43 | zhangweiwu | :) |
| 07:31.45 | xingu | qwaza: because it's such a hideous layering violation it'd even make a windows kernel developer blanch? |
| 07:31.46 | qwaza | parsonsd, besides i am not talking about the transit. it is the security based on IPs which is wrong |
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| 07:32.07 | \amethyst | qwaza: that's not the only kind of security NFS supports |
| 07:32.08 | qwaza | xingu, alternative? |
| 07:32.16 | enouf | windows doesn't have a kernel :-P |
| 07:32.23 | xingu | qwaza: nfs over ipsec? kerberised nfs? |
| 07:32.26 | \amethyst | qwaza: man exports, search for sec= |
| 07:32.41 | xingu | qwaza: better question is "what problem are you solving for" |
| 07:32.56 | qwaza | \amethyst, xingu i stand corrected. time to rtfm |
| 07:32.58 | aixenv | actually windows does have a kernel :) |
| 07:33.35 | parsonsd | qwaza - tho i could suggest ( Devil's advocate here ), let data movement handle itself and wrap inside security - a la layering. it's the same equation that gives us the allowance of asking "which is better: NFS over tcp or NFS over udp?" ( or TCPIP on ethernet or on ATM or ...) |
| 07:33.41 | \amethyst | qwaza: on etch the syntax in exports is different, but you can use "gss/krb5" as the client to require the client to authenticate with kerberos |
| 07:33.52 | xingu | see the great thing about sshfs is that you get to do multiple trips through the kernel; one trip in and out of userspace for fuse, and then woohoo, another in and out of the kernel for crypto, and then *another* for ip |
| 07:34.01 | xingu | that's *expensive* |
| 07:34.36 | qwaza | xingu, never thought of that! good insight |
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| 07:35.08 | \amethyst | xingu: does SFTP even support transferring only part of a file? |
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| 07:35.29 | enouf | aixenv: no it doesn't but that's offtopic |
| 07:36.11 | aixenv | umm.. |
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| 07:36.29 | qwaza | xingu, so, all fuse based fs will have that will they not? |
| 07:36.34 | parsonsd | aixenv - yah, man, take it to #debian-offtopic !! ;) |
| 07:36.35 | qwaza | that problem |
| 07:36.39 | xingu | \amethyst: sftp? I assume if client and server support REST, it does |
| 07:36.47 | aixenv | i was just correcting an arrored statement :) |
| 07:36.51 | aixenv | *errored |
| 07:37.18 | parsonsd | aixenv - oh sure, that's how flame wars start.... :> |
| 07:37.26 | \amethyst | xingu: I thought we were talking about sshfs |
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| 07:37.33 | enouf | i was just correcting an errored error |
| 07:37.44 | parsonsd | oh... here we go.... |
| 07:37.46 | parsonsd | ducks |
| 07:37.56 | aixenv | heh...ill refrain from giving you links that prove you're incorrect, we can drop it, i'd just say go google heh |
| 07:37.57 | parsonsd | hides under a barstool |
| 07:38.08 | \amethyst | depends on what you mean by "kernel" |
| 07:38.11 | xingu | qwaza: yup; this will be interesting as we move to ssd's |
| 07:38.20 | enouf | \amethyst: indeed |
| 07:38.23 | aixenv | \amethyst: agreed i never said a linux-esque kernel |
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| 07:38.35 | parsonsd | wants popcorn |
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| 07:39.14 | enouf | !smack parsonsd with a hollyweird movie |
| 07:39.14 | dpkg | smacks parsonsd with a hollyweird movie upside the head. |
| 07:39.25 | parsonsd | ouch! |
| 07:39.26 | aixenv | here goes amethyst testing my last creation.. should be all set, which this project done im not gonna have anything to waste my time now hah |
| 07:39.47 | xingu | qwaza: what's saving fuse's bacon is seek latencies and single-spindle throughput; obviously the performance of an ssd is in a different class to rotational media |
| 07:40.02 | aixenv | im gonna go document all this on my homepage im sure there's some other ppl struggling to accomplish this heh |
| 07:40.21 | xingu | qwaza: if the io latencies are eliminated, context switch time and memory bandwidth burn with dominate a profile. |
| 07:40.50 | qwaza | xingu, wow. So tell the very best of best remote filesystem today |
| 07:40.59 | qwaza | xingu, and for future |
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| 07:42.06 | enouf | it's all dependent on workload |
| 07:42.24 | qwaza | for production servers ? |
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| 07:42.35 | enouf | especially for those |
| 07:42.46 | dustybin | wants a copy of \amethyst brain. is it open-source? :P |
| 07:42.46 | xingu | qwaza: the best remote filesystem is the one that doesn't need to exist; consider what it is that causes the data to be written to disk, and what it is that causes it to be read from disk |
| 07:42.55 | enouf | or ... i'm full of crap |
| 07:43.01 | xingu | qwaza: now ask yourself why it has to go for a trip from the filesystem layer *at all* |
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| 07:44.07 | qwaza | xingu, now that is a tad philosophical. lets get practical. When we 'have' to move data, then what do we do? which is the best right now? |
| 07:44.08 | xingu | qwaza: at the point where you find yourself sharing data on a network filesystem you know that you have applications which ought to be client/server, and aren't. |
| 07:44.24 | qwaza | xingu, now that is much better |
| 07:44.43 | qwaza | xingu, ok you want me look at the architecture first. good idea |
| 07:44.46 | xingu | qwaza: nfs4 can be surprisingly well behaved. :) smb2's not bad |
| 07:45.08 | Vasistha | stew: thanks for the tip, I managed to upgrade libcups2 and ghostscript manually (with aptitude's conflict resolution system) and now the safe-upgrade is going! |
| 07:45.09 | qwaza | xingu, at last i got magic words i was looking for. thanks |
| 07:45.14 | xingu | qwaza: everything else tends to become latency-bound |
| 07:45.43 | qwaza | xingu, and ultimately a good design is the most important thing? |
| 07:45.48 | xingu | of course |
| 07:46.03 | xingu | optimisation makes the wrong idea faster |
| 07:46.13 | qwaza | wipes his tears |
| 07:46.20 | enouf | when design == framework == epic fail |
| 07:48.00 | enouf | http://lwn.net/Articles/320279/ |
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| 07:49.42 | qwaza | enouf, thats a good one |
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| 07:51.02 | enouf | try to quantify that kind of stuff to a windows 'kernel' .. i dare you |
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| 07:54.36 | enouf | qwaza: (et al) i'm sorry for being so ... obtuse .. i'm generalizing .. and i'm just sick of seeing very windows oriented issues in this channel - please forgive mr |
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| 07:54.41 | enouf | me* |
| 07:55.15 | qwaza | enouf, np. I almost understood you... slightly. |
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| 07:56.13 | enouf | qwaza: xingu knows his shit though .. thoroughly. as do some others here |
| 07:56.31 | qwaza | i noticed |
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| 07:56.51 | sep | how would one eaisest convert a fixed coloum witdth text file to csv ? i can't do things like s/ +/;/g becouse the content in one of the coloums quite oftehave more spaces in them then the spaces between the coloums |
| 07:57.09 | enouf | qwaza: i'm not a higher edu trained person, but i'm smart , and learn |
| 07:57.29 | qwaza | enouf, me too, without the smart bit |
| 07:58.09 | enouf | qwaza: well .. the thing is, i ran out of brain space .. so all new info pushes out older needed info :-p |
| 07:58.45 | digitaloktay | good morning |
| 07:58.47 | qwaza | enouf, you need to backup once in a while |
| 07:59.10 | parsonsd | enouf - try git. |
| 07:59.25 | qwaza | enouf, and you can use all of mine |
| 07:59.34 | parsonsd | enouf - you can even branch your memory to play around with what's stored there |
| 08:00.07 | parsonsd | sep - what's separating the columns? tabs? or any-ol whitespace |
| 08:00.08 | parsonsd | ? |
| 08:00.10 | Mood | if i want to install fluxbox from a CLI only fresh debian install, do i need to install something before, i.e. x windows? (fluxbox is a window manager, right?) |
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| 08:00.31 | enouf | you guys/gals don't get it - but that |
| 08:00.37 | parsonsd | sep - and replacing with ';' wouldn't make it a csv :) |
| 08:00.39 | enouf | s ok |
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| 08:01.11 | worr | mood: you want x windows first |
| 08:01.17 | worr | you can get away with: |
| 08:01.32 | digitaloktay | which is the display manager for xfce+lxde iso "debian-500-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso" ? |
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| 08:01.47 | worr | aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 08:01.55 | digitaloktay | gdm, xdm, kdm ? |
| 08:02.02 | enouf | Mood: apt-cache search x-window-manager | grep fiux |
| 08:02.04 | Mood | worr: kewl. thanks again |
| 08:02.12 | worr | but that pulls in a lot |
| 08:02.18 | Mood | i want bare bones |
| 08:02.40 | worr | what graphics card are you using? |
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| 08:02.44 | enouf | xserver-xorg-core |
| 08:03.01 | Mood | worr: hmm... cheapy card... i think like a geforce2 |
| 08:03.06 | worr | also xserver-xorg-kbd |
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| 08:03.35 | worr | er, rather xserver-xorg-input-kbd |
| 08:03.37 | parsonsd | my current desktop is the practice machine but when i go to parted the drive from the initial, basic 'single partition' into properly separating the partitions out, i gotta do it from a non-mounted partition, right? will a netinstall cd be sufficient? it doesn't sound to me that single install is gonna be sufficient... |
| 08:03.41 | enouf | Mood: it's actually much easier to remove shit after IMHO |
| 08:03.46 | worr | and xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
| 08:03.56 | worr | and xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 08:04.26 | worr | so: aptitude install xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 08:04.36 | worr | that should work for you |
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| 08:04.58 | parsonsd | worr - way to wrap it up... :) |
| 08:05.12 | Mood | worr: thanks a bunch. i'm going to google them a bit before trying |
| 08:05.22 | worr | kk |
| 08:05.31 | enouf | you just need to learn about Recommends and nomarkauto |
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| 08:05.44 | worr | for anything that uses hardware acceleration you'll need the proprietary drivers |
| 08:05.57 | \amethyst | sep: is it okay to leave spaces in, like A Name ; address ; phone ? |
| 08:06.58 | \amethyst | sep: if so: paste -d ';' <(cut -c1-12 foo) <(cut -c15-30 foo) <(cut -c31- foo) |
| 08:07.31 | enouf | \amethyst: for example; how to make cat /proc/net/dev look properly formatted? |
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| 08:08.54 | \amethyst | enouf: in that case I'd use awk, since the fields don't contain spaces |
| 08:08.54 | enouf | COLUMNS=xxx does nothing to help |
| 08:09.11 | enouf | what do they contain? |
| 08:09.31 | \amethyst | numbers |
| 08:09.37 | \amethyst | I mean, the content doesn't contain spaces |
| 08:09.56 | \amethyst | so it's acceptable to treat them as delimited by [ :] |
| 08:09.59 | enouf | \amethyst: he spacing is? |
| 08:10.15 | enouf | s/he/the/ |
| 08:10.19 | \amethyst | the spacing is spaces |
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| 08:10.54 | enouf | wonderful |
| 08:11.15 | enouf | andromeda spaces |
| 08:12.05 | sep | parsonsd, \amethyst whitespace. and i do not think leaving spaces hurt, but i'd prefer them gone |
| 08:13.41 | \amethyst | enouf: while IFS=' :|' read -r -a arr; do printf "%12s" "${arr[@]}"; echo; done < /proc/net/dev if you don't mind it taking a couple hundred columns :) |
| 08:13.54 | sep | i am playing with awk and FIELDWITDTH. |
| 08:13.57 | sep | atm |
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| 08:14.28 | xingu | sep: cat foo | tr -s ' ' | sed 's/ /","/g' |
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| 08:14.39 | xingu | awards self needles use of cat award |
| 08:14.48 | xingu | s/les/less/ |
| 08:15.08 | enouf | \amethyst: thank you for trying - still looks like chicken scratch |
| 08:15.10 | sep | xingu, my orginal question explained why i could not. and it would reaplce all spaces with , |
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| 08:15.33 | sep | s/ */,/g would work if it was not for the spupid content in one of the coloums |
| 08:15.47 | xingu | sep: oic, so you can only squeeze spaces after the last nonspace char in a column |
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| 08:16.20 | xingu | sep: cobol's reportwriter would make mincemeat of this task :) |
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| 08:17.24 | xingu | sep: suggest perl as the tool for the job; two-pass - glob known-number of fields of maxlen including infix and suffix whitespace in the char class |
| 08:17.37 | xingu | sep: then chomp trailing whitespace from each field var. |
| 08:18.02 | \amethyst | sep: perl -lpe '@cols = /^(.....).(........)..(.....)(....)(..)(.*)/; for (@cols) { s/^\s+//; s/\s+$//; }; print join ";", @cols' |
| 08:18.26 | enouf | \amethyst: my point is i see no need why cat /proc/bus/input/devices can look perfectly legible but others do not, is it due to static vs dynamic info ? |
| 08:18.53 | \amethyst | enouf: it's that, early on, they picked an 8-character field width |
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| 08:19.40 | \amethyst | enouf: but nowadays it's very common to see byte counts much higher than that |
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| 08:20.00 | hedgehoginfog | I have an hda_intel sound card and recently I've been having some issues with my microphone. Is there any piece of software more customizable than usual alsamixer? |
| 08:20.04 | \amethyst | enouf: err, 9 characters rather |
| 08:20.26 | enouf | 69 would make more sense :-P |
| 08:20.49 | hedgehoginfog | Particularly I'm interested in such features like 'noise suppression' |
| 08:21.02 | \amethyst | enouf: I would guess that switching to larger fields wouldn't hurt |
| 08:21.11 | enouf | gives up - and thanks sincerely all who tried |
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| 08:21.26 | \amethyst | enouf: since anything that was relying on the field widths is going to be broken now anyway, since things aren't in the right fields |
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| 08:23.40 | enouf | hedgehoginfog: you want a noise-gate? triggered on;y when a certain nosie threshold is hit ? |
| 08:23.57 | hedgehoginfog | sth like that, yeah |
| 08:24.10 | enouf | spyware ;-) |
| 08:24.34 | enouf | dunno offhand |
| 08:24.51 | enouf | see linuxsound.org or something |
| 08:25.41 | digitaloktay | which is the login manager for xfce+lxde iso "debian-500-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso" ? (gdm, kdm, xdm) |
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| 08:26.38 | enouf | \amethyst: thanks for trying,,, it;s all greek to me for now |
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| 08:28.55 | enouf | hedgehoginfog: i use noisegates for my live instruments, especially overdriven marshall heads |
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| 08:29.22 | sep | \amethyst, xingu thanks |
| 08:29.26 | enouf | hedgehoginfog: i use Boss/Roland equip for that |
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| 08:31.10 | steven_ | what does debina do in the boot sequence right after mounting swap ? |
| 08:31.16 | steven_ | debian* |
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| 08:31.43 | steven_ | and are there any common issues that would cause it to to hang right after this "hang" not crash |
| 08:31.48 | enouf | steven_: enable bootlogd |
| 08:32.06 | enouf | and you shall see |
| 08:32.20 | steven_ | enouf: that seems to have slipped me by iv'e never used that |
| 08:32.24 | dwada | http://www.sumardi1985.blogspot.com/ |
| 08:32.35 | enouf | it sets thr system time IIRC |
| 08:32.53 | enouf | !bootlogd |
| 08:32.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 08:33.04 | steven_ | enouf: ah perhaps i should mention it hangs permenantley |
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| 08:33.31 | steven_ | enouf: the box won't boot at all (boxes actually) |
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| 08:34.32 | steven_ | think i'll have to dig through the init scripts |
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| 08:36.20 | enouf | steven_: http://rafb.net/p/vG9cEr18.html typical |
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| 08:37.10 | enouf | don |
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| 08:37.44 | enouf | don't recall if it was a fsck time then (once every 3 mounts) |
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| 08:38.52 | enouf | steven_: check BTS for udev and udevadm issues |
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| 08:41.44 | asdfqwer | hey gang |
| 08:41.57 | asdfqwer | any night owls? |
| 08:41.57 | steven_ | enouf: don't think it's a udev issue |
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| 08:42.19 | steven_ | enouf: it's 2 servers that have been fine for ages, then recently moved in a big data center migration |
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| 08:42.48 | steven_ | enouf: through they have not been rebooted for a while so maybe some update change something could well be |
| 08:43.18 | Mood | is xserver = x window system or x windows manager? online reading is kind of confusing |
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| 08:43.52 | Mood | is xserver = X = x window system? |
| 08:44.12 | worr | yeah |
| 08:44.23 | worr | well, close enough |
| 08:44.52 | asdfqwer | i thought xorg was xserver |
| 08:45.05 | worr | yeah, xorg is the x server |
| 08:45.38 | Mood | and 'x server' = window system, not windows manager, right? |
| 08:45.51 | asdfqwer | sounds correct. |
| 08:45.55 | worr | yeah |
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| 08:46.22 | asdfqwer | i think there is an xdm along with gdm, kdm, etc. |
| 08:46.39 | worr | window managers are programs that run on the x server that control window placement |
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| 08:46.54 | worr | xdm, gdm, and kdm are all display managers |
| 08:47.00 | asdfqwer | worr, what tells me which one i'm running.? |
| 08:47.10 | asdfqwer | ah ok. |
| 08:47.18 | Mood | worr: makes sense |
| 08:47.19 | worr | they include stuffs like managing authentication, and starting different window managers or desktop environments |
| 08:47.30 | steven_ | How do i get the boot process to drop me into a shell in the initrd ? |
| 08:47.38 | Mood | and fluxbox is a windows manager that sits on top of X window system |
| 08:47.42 | worr | yeah |
| 08:47.47 | steven_ | iv'e done this before but my memory fails me |
| 08:47.52 | asdfqwer | steven_, try running as singleuser? |
| 08:48.00 | steven_ | asdfqwer: same thing happens |
| 08:48.02 | asdfqwer | aka recovery mode |
| 08:48.11 | steven_ | it's quite early in the boot process whatever the problem is |
| 08:48.16 | asdfqwer | hrm. |
| 08:48.19 | worr | single user doesn't do initrd shell |
| 08:48.27 | worr | that does a root shell in the os |
| 08:48.35 | asdfqwer | boot live; and diagnosis from there maybe. |
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| 08:48.49 | steven_ | asdfqwer: i think thats the way im gonna have to go |
| 08:49.18 | steven_ | i was hoping for a quick fix too much happening today :) lol |
| 08:49.23 | asdfqwer | i've been meaning to install a live partition since i do it so much |
| 08:49.25 | steven_ | thanks for the input! |
| 08:49.40 | asdfqwer | knoppix i think includes boot options for this |
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| 08:50.37 | Mood | worr: hmm... i think i need fonts installed before X, right? |
| 08:50.51 | worr | those should probably get pulled in automatically |
| 08:51.19 | Mood | worr: ok- here goes nothin... going to install xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 08:51.28 | worr | yeah, that should work |
| 08:52.06 | Inazad | someone here can help me in C ? |
| 08:52.07 | asdfqwer | i'd just try xserver-xorg |
| 08:52.21 | asdfqwer | Mood, you using aptitude? |
| 08:52.29 | Mood | worr: you're right about the fonts... i can see in aptitude all the libfont dependencies |
| 08:52.33 | worr | that pulls in too much |
| 08:52.45 | asdfqwer | xserver-xorg, does? |
| 08:52.51 | worr | yeah |
| 08:53.04 | worr | pulls in drivers for more devices than you have |
| 08:53.05 | Mood | asdfqwer: yeah i'm only going bare bones to layer fluxbox as my windows manager |
| 08:53.11 | asdfqwer | too much in linux tho generally isn't a whole lot, imho |
| 08:53.14 | asdfqwer | oh ok. |
| 08:53.56 | asdfqwer | Mood, how much hd space? |
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| 08:54.30 | Mood | asdfqwer: hold up... it's barfing to standard output... |
| 08:54.52 | Mood | (xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-video-nv) = ~75 MB |
| 08:55.11 | Mood | ~31 MB packed |
| 08:55.34 | asdfqwer | meager portion |
| 08:55.34 | asdfqwer | how big is your partition? |
| 08:55.34 | asdfqwer | for root |
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| 08:57.21 | Mood | asdfqwer: this comp is my sandbox, only 20 GB total |
| 08:57.27 | enouf | Mood: just forget X and use links2 in console |
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| 08:57.47 | worr | recompile your kernel, get uvesafb going |
| 08:57.52 | Mood | enouf: heh, yeah links2 is a good text browser |
| 08:57.54 | worr | and get links2 and irssi |
| 08:58.11 | enouf | Mood: no, it's a GUI one also |
| 08:58.11 | worr | all you need lol |
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| 08:58.28 | asdfqwer | Mood, i see; i'd experiment with partimage and tar a bit |
| 08:58.30 | Mood | enouf: oh really? i think i was thinking of lynx |
| 08:58.32 | worr | yeah it can render images in a framebuffer |
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| 08:58.50 | enouf | !links2 |
| 08:58.51 | dpkg | i heard links2 is a text and graphics browser with https and javascript. http://packages.debian.org/links2, or for using in Console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in Console in GUI mode) Ask me about <links2 settings> |
| 08:58.55 | RickyWh1 | if I want to install Wordpress 2.7 (latest) script on my site but don't want to wait for slowass ftp. there is a way to extract the zip so that the permissions are the same as when uploaded via FTP right? |
| 08:59.00 | asdfqwer | since you can theoretically tar your entire fs |
| 08:59.31 | Mood | worr: can i just peek at my desktop using just X? or do i need a windows manager layer? |
| 08:59.42 | Mood | startx didn't work |
| 08:59.50 | worr | is the command not found? |
| 08:59.55 | Mood | nope |
| 08:59.56 | worr | you probs need xinit installed |
| 09:00.03 | Mood | ah ok |
| 09:00.24 | nihilstar | hi guys, i installed debian with raid1 and i receive the following error: mdadm: no devices listed in conf file were found, any suggestions? |
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| 09:01.06 | enouf | you did it wrong |
| 09:01.39 | nihilstar | ok, sounds like a start, but how do i fix it? |
| 09:02.05 | enouf | !xinitrc |
| 09:02.05 | dpkg | xinitrc is, like, just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
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| 09:02.20 | Mood | hmm... i think startx needs something else... it just blinks and then brings me back to CLI... need to google a bit... |
| 09:02.22 | asdfqwer | nihilstar, i'd read up on some debian raid howtos |
| 09:02.40 | enouf | you need xauth |
| 09:02.47 | asdfqwer | do you have an existing os on your computer? |
| 09:02.58 | enouf | i told you - easier to remove |
| 09:03.09 | worr | xinit pulled that in |
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| 09:03.12 | worr | or it should've |
| 09:03.18 | enouf | bull |
| 09:03.32 | enouf | depends on release |
| 09:03.40 | nihilstar | asdfqwer: just debian |
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| 09:03.55 | asdfqwer | nihilstar, http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1.html is a good one to get started |
| 09:04.02 | worr | he used aptitude, and its a recommends |
| 09:04.05 | kunal | guys. |
| 09:04.22 | kunal | i need to ask you something. whats the best video recording software? i mean recording off webcams? |
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| 09:04.36 | enouf | oh, i never use aptitude, nor recommends |
| 09:04.40 | asdfqwer | nihilstar, you can do a lot of the work from you existing install |
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| 09:04.54 | worr | actually its a depends |
| 09:04.59 | nihilstar | i did that, and i still get the error, its default install, used with partman tool, made the paritions, as physical raid,made the software raid 1, installed grup, reboot.. and got that error |
| 09:05.08 | worr | mood: is there any error output? |
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| 09:05.46 | nihilstar | asdfqwer, i tried changing the uuids with the ones from vol_id, cause they dont match |
| 09:05.46 | nihilstar | but it didnt worked |
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| 09:05.51 | asdfqwer | you using scuzzy? |
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| 09:06.06 | Mood | worr: i looked for EE errors in /var/log/Xorg... but couldn't find any |
| 09:06.14 | asdfqwer | or SATA drives? |
| 09:06.18 | nihilstar | scsi |
| 09:06.21 | asdfqwer | k |
| 09:06.44 | Mood | worr: context/hal: couldn't initialize context... |
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| 09:06.46 | worr | oh hey, do you have flux installed yet? |
| 09:07.08 | Mood | worr: nope, i didn't install fluxbox yet... i just wanted to see X by itself |
| 09:07.30 | enouf | DEs like/need hal and dbus |
| 09:07.46 | Mood | enouf: i'm not using a DE |
| 09:08.01 | enouf | you will before you know it |
| 09:08.03 | worr | ...yeah you might need flux first |
| 09:08.07 | Mood | enouf: just fluxbox, which is a windows manager, not a full blown DE |
| 09:08.16 | worr | does x still come with twm? |
| 09:08.22 | Mood | worr: oh, i thought X would be the simplest GUI |
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| 09:08.49 | enouf | X server is a server |
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| 09:08.54 | worr | no, i dont think it provides anything like that anymore by default |
| 09:09.12 | worr | it used to come with twm, but that was in like, xorg 6.x |
| 09:09.22 | worr | then after that they went really modular |
| 09:09.23 | Mood | worr: ah, ok. trying fluxbox now |
| 09:09.45 | enouf | X Windowing System includes clients |
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| 09:09.49 | worr | also edit your ~/.xinitrc and add a line that says 'exec fluxbox' |
| 09:10.04 | caimlas | I'm having an irritating problem here w/ trying to get linux on an older (1GHz) system with one of those pesky BIOS drive size limitations (33Gb). Wondering if anyone knows of an un-crappy way to go about this... it would appear that I need to somehow modify/communicate to initrd the option="sda=stroke" for the ide driver, but I'm unsure how to go about it - or if there's another way to do it. |
| 09:10.10 | Mood | worr: ah, thank you. that would've given me some pain :-) |
| 09:10.27 | asdfqwer | nihilstar, also http://linux.die.net/man/5/mdadm.conf |
| 09:10.30 | caimlas | I've pxe booted the installer, for what it's worth |
| 09:10.45 | asdfqwer | nihilstar, see how /etc/mdadm.conf is configured |
| 09:11.06 | enouf | Mood: if no DM, then yes use ~/.xinitrc otherwise. see ~/.xsession |
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| 09:12.16 | Mood | strange... i don't see either ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession files... only ~/.xsession-errors and ~/.Xauthority |
| 09:12.16 | ingw3 | Hello. I have dell poweredge r200 server. with 2 sata 250GB disk. both disk are reconized in bios and also if i would do windows server installation. but then it comes to linux - i see just one 250 GB disk. I tryed use debian from kmuto with new kernel and it didnt help. please help. I need get two disk in setup because i want raid. |
| 09:12.16 | enouf | Mood: why not just use slackware or gentoo |
| 09:12.16 | worr | yeah, you need to create it |
| 09:12.17 | worr | enouf: who uses a de? so bloated... |
| 09:12.17 | Mood | enouf: that's off topic. i'm already installing debian. but thank you :-) |
| 09:12.21 | nihilstar | asdfqwer, i dont have /etc/mdadm.conf, just /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and it has the level=, num-devices- UUID= |
| 09:12.38 | enouf | you don't need a binary + source distro |
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| 09:13.19 | nihilstar | i tried deleting num and uuid and replace with devices=/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1 |
| 09:13.25 | nihilstar | but that didnt work either |
| 09:14.07 | Mood | is it wise to xinit as root? |
| 09:14.22 | enouf | nihilstar: mdadm UUIDs are not /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 09:14.24 | Mood | worr: i see my fluxbox desktop! yay! |
| 09:14.55 | Mood | worr: but i can't bring up any bash terminal... might be a permissions thing |
| 09:15.23 | nihilstar | enouf, sweet, but then why am i receiving the mdadm: no devices listed in conf were found.. and it drops me in initramfs :-( |
| 09:15.35 | enouf | Mood: no, no X apps should be run as root |
| 09:15.38 | worr | you should install an xterm |
| 09:15.47 | worr | and no, you should never run most things as root |
| 09:16.11 | nihilstar | all i did was a clean default install with physical RAID + software raid1 |
| 09:16.14 | worr | I recommand urxvt |
| 09:16.32 | CaT[t3] | me too |
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| 09:16.50 | worr | you can do an update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator, and get urxvtcd and get a client daemon terminal |
| 09:16.52 | Mood | worr and enouf: ok, got it. don't run as root |
| 09:16.53 | worr | its awesome |
| 09:17.42 | Mood | urxvt is a replacement for terminal/xterm? |
| 09:17.43 | CaT[t3] | mood: don't walk, crawl, stagger, shuffle, hop or even mosey as root either |
| 09:17.48 | enouf | nihilstar: there is no pysiacl raid |
| 09:17.57 | nihilstar | enouf, maybe grub doesnt like raid1? should i install /boot as a normal parition? |
| 09:18.00 | Mood | CaT[t3]: heh, gotcha |
| 09:18.05 | nihilstar | enouf, its FD type |
| 09:18.17 | nihilstar | its just called physical RAID in partman tool |
| 09:18.21 | enouf | onlyy hard/fake/soft |
| 09:18.28 | worr | mood: yeah, it's an x-terminal |
| 09:18.34 | worr | its also AWESOME |
| 09:18.38 | Mood | shouldn't selecting "bash" or "sh" bring up a terminal if there's a choice in fluxbox? |
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| 09:19.02 | worr | you should select urxvt when it's installed |
| 09:19.08 | Mood | worr: i'm reading urxvt on http://linux.die.net/man/1/urxvt now |
| 09:19.08 | worr | though selecting bash won't hurt either |
| 09:19.25 | worr | it will just start your default xterm with bash |
| 09:19.36 | Mood | worr: but i don't even get xterm |
| 09:19.47 | Mood | worr: nothing launches when i choose "bash" or "sh" |
| 09:19.57 | worr | you will when you install urxvt |
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| 09:20.02 | enouf | ls /bin.sj\ |
| 09:20.05 | worr | except it'll be urxvt, not xterm |
| 09:20.06 | Mood | worr: ah ok |
| 09:20.10 | Mood | worr: doing it now |
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| 09:20.47 | worr | xterm is actually another program that's also a terminal emulator, but I have a habit of calling all x terminal emulators xterms. |
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| 09:20.56 | Mood | urxvt has a smaller footprint than xterm/terminal? |
| 09:21.11 | enouf | no |
| 09:21.24 | enouf | depends on fonts too |
| 09:21.34 | worr | but it has the memory saving features of a client daemon approach with urxvtcd! |
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| 09:21.59 | worr | it is awesome, but use whatever you want |
| 09:22.02 | Mood | interestingly, "sudo apt-cache search urxvt" brings up something called "yeahconsole" |
| 09:22.03 | worr | it's just my favorite |
| 09:22.05 | foetus | hello. |
| 09:22.17 | kunal | hey anyone know something about using webcam to capture videos? |
| 09:22.19 | enouf | !info rxvt-unicode |
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| 09:23.00 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I've upgraded to lenny but the new mcedit annoys me. Is there any way to returnt mcedit behaviour back? (I hate that "<--->" specifying a TAB and those stupid "....." specifying a whitespace) |
| 09:23.10 | Mood | "rxvt-unicode uses much less swap space -- a significant advantage on a machine serving many X sessions. " |
| 09:23.10 | dpkg | rxvt-unicode: (RXVT-like terminal emulator with Unicode support), section x11, is optional. Version: 9.06-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1238 kB, Installed size: 2840 kB |
| 09:23.20 | worr | i also recommend install urxvt lite |
| 09:23.22 | foetus | how can i add autostart/stop events under debian? (especially cleaning operations etc) |
| 09:23.33 | asdfqwer | there isn't a tab feature yet builtin in for nautilus, is there? |
| 09:23.36 | worr | its the package urxvt-unicode-lite |
| 09:23.44 | worr | *rxvt-unicode-lite |
| 09:23.48 | Mood | worr: can i just install lite? |
| 09:23.49 | ribasushi | I need some recommendation for a trouble ticket management system. Ideally I want something like the debian bugtracker, where users just send an email and are automatically subscribed to the bug. No logins, no passwords, only reporting and further comments. A web interface is needed only for an overview and closure/resolution of issues. Ideas? |
| 09:23.51 | worr | yeah |
| 09:23.57 | Mood | worr: you only use lite? |
| 09:24.00 | worr | yeah |
| 09:24.08 | Mood | worr: learning from the master :-) |
| 09:24.19 | worr | trust me, i am not even close to a master |
| 09:26.22 | Mood | rxvt-unicode-lite is 42 MB.... |
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| 09:26.37 | worr | hey, your call |
| 09:26.48 | worr | i just like it mostly for urxvtcd |
| 09:27.01 | asdfqwer | the Tao is not tangible |
| 09:27.04 | Mood | !info urxvtcd |
| 09:27.15 | asdfqwer | !urxvtcd |
| 09:27.22 | worr | it does a client server thing |
| 09:27.27 | worr | *client daemon |
| 09:27.31 | Mood | like screen? |
| 09:27.38 | worr | where it starts up a urxvt daemon |
| 09:27.42 | worr | not like screen |
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| 09:28.23 | worr | and then clients connect to the daemon and start a new terminal session |
| 09:28.23 | asdfqwer | me wonders why there RDP isn't builtin irc clients. |
| 09:28.31 | worr | and it saves memory and makes then start up faster |
| 09:28.42 | worr | the issue is that if the daemon dies, all of the clients die |
| 09:28.43 | pucek | q |
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| 09:29.16 | pucek | q |
| 09:29.16 | pucek | exit |
| 09:29.44 | Mood | worr: do i need rxvt-unicode-lite if i want to run urxvt and urxvtcd? not much documentation on the web... |
| 09:29.51 | enouf | rdp is a windows weenies thing |
| 09:30.01 | worr | yeah, lite allows you to do that |
| 09:30.18 | worr | i cant actually tell you what features lite cuts out, mainly cause ive never needed them |
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| 09:30.45 | asdfqwer | enouf, well whats the protocol called for linux? |
| 09:30.46 | Mood | worr: cool. i'm going for lighter and faster4 |
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| 09:30.49 | Mood | faster* |
| 09:30.51 | asdfqwer | or remote terminal viewer |
| 09:30.59 | enouf | nfs |
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| 09:33.15 | worr | anyway guys, I'm out for the night |
| 09:33.22 | asdfqwer | nighers |
| 09:33.22 | worr | goodnight guys |
| 09:33.42 | enouf | or ssh , or even a fuse variant |
| 09:34.00 | qwaza | enouf, not fuse again! |
| 09:34.09 | enouf | cabt type for shit now |
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| 09:34.27 | jelly | use BOTH hands |
| 09:34.54 | enouf | on'tday evenway artstay |
| 09:35.29 | asdfqwer | enouf, how do you xterm on a remote-client? |
| 09:35.46 | enouf | i don't |
| 09:36.13 | asdfqwer | could you indulge me. . .if you did? :D |
| 09:36.32 | jelly | asdfqwer: what are you really trying to do? |
| 09:37.01 | asdfqwer | jelly, i'm not trying to do anything; i was just curious how one would run x remotely |
| 09:37.10 | jelly | asdfqwer: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 09:37.24 | asdfqwer | i usually get DISPLAY value error |
| 09:37.45 | jelly | asdfqwer: answer is, one doesn't run X remotely. X clients maybe, but X itself is run locally |
| 09:37.54 | asdfqwer | true |
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| 09:38.26 | asdfqwer | so it's really up to whatever application i'm trying to run remotely.... |
| 09:38.26 | jelly | (I'm ignoring vnc or rdp wrappers for remote X sessions) |
| 09:38.37 | enouf | DISPLAY=:0 |
| 09:38.37 | asdfqwer | that's what i've been experimenting with |
| 09:38.43 | asdfqwer | vnc |
| 09:39.14 | jelly | asdfqwer: no, it's up to your session setup to give the remote app a correct way to connect to your X server |
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| 09:39.55 | jelly | asdfqwer: applications just try to connect to whatever $DISPLAY is set to |
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| 09:41.56 | asdfqwer | jelly, well given that windows has the market share, it's things like vnc and rdp that peeks my interest in figuring out a way to create a product for windows clients |
| 09:42.19 | asdfqwer | where one linux server is in charge of all your backend support |
| 09:42.35 | enouf | vnc == more wintendo weeenie nonsnese |
| 09:43.11 | asdfqwer | enouf, i agree but the point is that we're trying to profit here |
| 09:43.31 | asdfqwer | most users suck at managing and protecting their data |
| 09:43.35 | jelly | asdfqwer: afaik, both of those provide a way to connect to a whole running session, not really a single app |
| 09:43.37 | asdfqwer | most users suck at using |
| 09:44.14 | asdfqwer | jelly, wanna try connecting to me? |
| 09:44.18 | asdfqwer | or vice versa? |
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| 09:44.20 | asdfqwer | if you're not busy. |
| 09:44.40 | jelly | asdfqwer: oh, but I am :-) |
| 09:44.45 | asdfqwer | ;) |
| 09:44.59 | asdfqwer | k i'll bbl |
| 09:45.15 | enouf | gguces yo ibe evebe trytttubgti t toeyee |
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| 09:52.09 | nardul | When i use fetchmail, it automatically responds to DSN's. Does anyone know how to turn that off? |
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| 10:00.33 | Psuedo | G'Day |
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| 10:02.39 | Psuedo | I'm trying to batch install 84 unique packages. So I ran the command: sudo dpkg -i *.deb whilst I was in the directory which contained the packages. However, most of them didn't install correctly, because of dependencie problems. How do I install the dependencies in batch, along with the packages? |
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| 10:04.02 | adb | use aptitude ? |
| 10:04.09 | themill | Psuedo: that's a sign you're doing something wrong; use apt, sticking them in a repo if necessary (/msg dpkg own repo). Or you could use gdebi (/msg dpkg gdebi). But really... it's a sign that you're doing something wrong. |
| 10:04.17 | jelly | Psuedo: either create a local repository and install with aptitude / apt-get, or run "aptitude -f install" or "apt-get -f install" to fix the dependencies now |
| 10:04.58 | jelly | !tell Psuedo -about own repo |
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| 10:05.19 | Psuedo | !pastebin |
| 10:05.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 10:07.55 | Psuedo | I attempted what you told me to do jelly, and got the following output; |
| 10:07.55 | Psuedo | http://nopaste.com/p/atxT7rwAT |
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| 10:09.42 | jelly | Psuedo: which debian release are you using? |
| 10:09.54 | Psuedo | custom |
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| 10:10.22 | adb | no supported ... |
| 10:10.37 | jelly | Psuedo: what do you mean, custom? Which debian release are you basing your installation off? |
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| 10:11.08 | jelly | Psuedo: you seem to be trying to install packages built for ubuntu, that's why I'm asking |
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| 10:11.49 | jelly | Psuedo: mixing packages from different distros isn't going to end well in any case |
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| 10:12.52 | Psuedo | jelly: I know the dependencies are in the repositories I have |
| 10:13.00 | Psuedo | And, I'm building off of Debris, which was built off of Ubuntu, which was build off of Debian, which was built off of Linux, which was designed as an open-source, free alternative to UNIX, OpenUNIX, as it were. |
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| 10:15.06 | hhw | linux was based on minix, not openunix |
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| 10:18.58 | sacky | i have the MergeList problem. I think i have to increase a apt value |
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| 10:21.57 | Spectre | where can I download adobe flash player or other to the webbrowser? I downloaded from websites but it's not for AMD64 and it cannot be installed :/ |
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| 10:22.37 | sauvin | Spectre, flash 10 is on the Adobe site. |
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| 10:22.55 | sauvin | Spec, flash 10 *does* support 64-bit. |
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| 10:23.28 | sacky | i got Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_experimen... |
| 10:23.55 | sacky | it says: you have reached the count of descriptions wich apt can handle |
| 10:24.00 | Spectre | saulus_: I cannot install it :/ I downloaded .deb package but Kpackage told me error about architecture... |
| 10:24.18 | Spectre | it was to sauvin ;) |
| 10:24.56 | sauvin | I gathered. I don't remember where I got it, precisely, but it WAS from the Adobe site. I had to find it for my girlfriend because she insisted on using 64-bit $debian_based_distro |
| 10:25.24 | sauvin | I didn't use Kpackage, though, I downloaded the .deb and installed it from a command line. |
| 10:26.00 | Spectre | I'll try console then :) |
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| 10:29.21 | osfd | Hi, do you know a good Multi-protocol IM client please except centerim (which obviously make my wifi connection crash...!) |
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| 10:30.50 | hhw | osfd: have you tried pidgin (formerly gaim)? |
| 10:31.12 | osfd | hhw: I want it to be console based... |
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| 10:31.32 | osfd | I should have mentionned that, this is my main concern |
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| 10:32.42 | jelly | Psuedo: we cannot support ubuntu here, regardless of the heritage |
| 10:32.42 | theholyduck | pidgin ahs a console mode |
| 10:32.46 | theholyduck | plugin :P |
| 10:33.06 | theholyduck | Psuedo, ubuntu breaks debian |
| 10:33.08 | theholyduck | true story bro |
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| 10:33.18 | theholyduck | and im guessing your ubuntu derative breaks ubuntu |
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| 10:36.54 | jelly | "debris" sounds like an accurate description, though |
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| 10:38.16 | theholyduck | osfd, so yeah. pidgin can work in console mode |
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| 10:38.45 | osfd | theholyduck: really..!? pretty good news...how do I do that ? |
| 10:38.49 | theholyduck | i dunno :P |
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| 10:38.55 | theholyduck | i just know its possible |
| 10:39.10 | theholyduck | google probaly does |
| 10:39.21 | theholyduck | http://coderstalk.blogspot.com/2008/09/finch-howto-use-pidgin-via-terminal.html |
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| 10:40.39 | r0bert0 | hi guys, i have a question for you, i haven been searching for bitchx (console based irc client) in the debian stable main repository but i didnt find it. I saw "pork" instead, but I'm not sure whether this package is a fork of "bitchx" or something like that, it is not clear in the package description. |
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| 10:40.57 | theholyduck | r0bert0, use weechat or irssi then? |
| 10:41.02 | theholyduck | they all work basicly the same |
| 10:41.31 | lord_rob | Hi ! I have a custom config file in /etc/modprobe.d called "atapienable". Do I need to rename it to "atapienable.conf" to adapt it to modprobe new standard or do something more "sophisticated" ? |
| 10:41.49 | r0bert0 | :( i love bitchx, although i didn't use weechat or ircii ever |
| 10:42.25 | osfd | theholyduck: finch is the console mode for pidgin... |
| 10:42.33 | Mood | i know this is offtopic, but is there a way to specify homepage in links2? |
| 10:42.35 | r0bert0 | theholyduck: I don't understand the reason because bitchx is not included in the stable main debian repository :s. |
| 10:42.52 | Boohbah_ | r0bert0: try irssi it's great |
| 10:42.52 | r0bert0 | theholyduck: license o r something like that? |
| 10:43.19 | theholyduck | r0bert0, outdated i guess? |
| 10:43.28 | r0bert0 | umm ok you win ;), both, Boohbah_ theholyduck have convinced me :). |
| 10:43.34 | theholyduck | it was in etch, |
| 10:43.40 | theholyduck | but not sid, lenny or squeeze |
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| 10:44.04 | theholyduck | alternativly no maintainers |
| 10:44.41 | r0bert0 | i understand, debian is wonderfull distribution :D, i have alternatives for bitchx so i will probe these. |
| 10:44.55 | r0bert0 | thank you guys. |
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| 10:45.32 | hid3 | My system is a SMP one with 2 processors. However, when backups are being done with `tar -czf' it uses only one CPU. Is there any way to force `tar' to use both CPUs? |
| 10:45.52 | zege | Hi, can someone help me with my tar problem? tar thinks that i want to create an empty archive, but there are files, bash-output: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/raw/394364/ |
| 10:45.53 | r0bert0 | hid3: it depends on the way tar is coded :s |
| 10:46.22 | jelly | hid3: is cpu really the bottleneck in your case? |
| 10:46.29 | lord_rob | r0bert0: probably because the word bitchX is too vulgar |
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| 10:46.37 | r0bert0 | maybe tar use only one process and a process can't be splitted to run in two cpus. |
| 10:46.41 | r0bert0 | lord_rob: xD |
| 10:46.46 | lord_rob | ;) |
| 10:47.25 | hid3 | r0bert0, jelly, I was told that using pipes might help the situation but haven't heard any details of what and how. And yes, the CPU is the bottlenect (2x400 MHz with SCSI drives) |
| 10:48.39 | nihilstar | hi guys, i installed debian with raid1 and i receive the following error: mdadm: no devices listed in conf file were found, any suggestions? |
| 10:48.48 | jelly | zege: "tar cf /home/finanzen/" tells tar to create an archive named "/home/finanzen/" |
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| 10:49.31 | zege | jelly: and what should i do get tar writing the archive to buffer? |
| 10:49.45 | jelly | zege: make it create the archive on stdout. |
| 10:49.56 | zege | jelly: ? |
| 10:50.29 | r0bert0 | hid3: tar runs in a single process so it can't be runned in several CPUs at the same time, i think that to do that tar should use threads |
| 10:50.58 | jelly | zege: it wouldn't be instructive to just tell you to use "tar cf - /some/paths " (note the minus sign), so I'll tell you to read the manual instead. |
| 10:51.23 | hid3 | r0bert0, I see, thanks anyway. |
| 10:51.26 | zege | jelly: thx |
| 10:51.45 | jelly | hid3: lzop compression will be easier on the cpu compared to gzip. |
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| 10:52.28 | hid3 | jelly: but does it compress better? Disk space is also an issue... |
| 10:52.37 | jelly | hid3: you mean, tape space |
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| 10:53.01 | jelly | hid3: no, it takes maybe twice the size (much worse compression) |
| 10:53.03 | hid3 | No, I mean disk. Backups are on disks here. It's a small office system |
| 10:53.20 | jelly | oh, I mixed up two users |
| 10:53.36 | EmleyMoor | I use bzip2 or p7zip, whichever is the smaller |
| 10:53.51 | jelly | hid3: I know of no multithreaded gzip implementation, sorry |
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| 10:54.23 | EmleyMoor | However, they are pretty CPU hungry |
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| 10:54.45 | ingw3 | is it possible create software raid after linux installation? even if first disk not LVM? |
| 10:54.51 | F6F | who? |
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| 10:55.15 | F6F | EmleyMoor, who is cpu hungry? |
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| 10:55.28 | jelly | ingw3: you can create a md raid 1 from a normal system without much trouble |
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| 10:55.35 | EmleyMoor | F6F: bzip2 and p7zip |
| 10:55.40 | F6F | k |
| 10:56.07 | ingw3 | jelly: thanks |
| 10:56.14 | gunkamanti | does anybody know why smartd does not show up in the lastcomm output? |
| 10:56.14 | fireba11 | ingw3: depends on what type of raid you want to make, there are plenty of guides for those cases. most of the time it's easy |
| 10:56.23 | F6F | i also think you can migrate from raid 1 to raid 5 via mdadm |
| 10:56.34 | ingw3 | fireba11: raid 1 |
| 10:57.04 | jelly | gunkamanti: a process shows up only when it's finished, afair |
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| 10:57.14 | F6F | jelly, http://www.economysizegeek.com/2006/07/15/migrate-raid1-to-raid5-and-grow/ |
| 10:57.18 | fireba11 | ingw3: really easy |
| 10:57.40 | fireba11 | ingw3 : create a degraded raid 1 on the new disc, move over and extend to the old one |
| 10:57.41 | ingw3 | fireba11: thanks |
| 10:57.44 | fireba11 | in short |
| 10:57.45 | jelly | F6F: not me that asked |
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| 10:58.03 | F6F | sry |
| 10:58.05 | gunkamanti | jelly: ah, so exim4 starts up every half hour, while smartd is running all the time, and only activates itself every half hour. makes sense, thx :) |
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| 11:00.01 | nihilstar | i installed debian with raid1 and i receive the following error: mdadm: no devices listed in conf file were found, any suggestions? |
| 11:00.09 | nihilstar | works great on centos, same setup :-( |
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| 11:00.30 | jelly | nihilstar: are there any devices listed in the conf file? :-) |
| 11:00.45 | jelly | nihilstar: what doesn't work? |
| 11:00.53 | nihilstar | yep, all my /dev/md* arrays |
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| 11:01.37 | jelly | nihilstar: pastebin /proc/mdstat and mdadm.conf? |
| 11:01.41 | nihilstar | well.. i dont really know why, i install the os, with partman tool.. setup the software raid.. install grub and after reboot i get: mdadm: no devices listed in conf file were found |
| 11:01.57 | nihilstar | and it drops me in initramfs |
| 11:02.54 | jelly | nihilstar: is /proc/mdstat empty at this point or? |
| 11:03.03 | nihilstar | im not sure i can do that, the only way to access the files is to use the rescue mode, and chroot /dev/md2 (where the / is) |
| 11:03.10 | nihilstar | in initramfs, yes |
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| 11:03.32 | jelly | nihilstar: sounds like mdadm.conf in the initramfs image is invalid |
| 11:04.19 | jelly | nihilstar: what I'd try: rescue/livecd, chroot, verify your mdadm.conf is correct and update your initramfs |
| 11:04.39 | nihilstar | how can i replace it? im kinda lost, but im willing to do whatever to make it work as i really like debian |
| 11:04.54 | nihilstar | you mean the update-initramfs -k all -u command? |
| 11:05.02 | jelly | there's handy update-initramfs tool yes |
| 11:05.36 | jelly | -k whatever-kernel-you-use, I guess all would work as well |
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| 11:05.54 | nihilstar | i see |
| 11:06.01 | nihilstar | i will give it a try |
| 11:06.04 | nihilstar | thank you |
| 11:06.49 | nima0102 | hi |
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| 11:07.18 | Psuedo | Here is my dpkg --configure -a output: http://nopaste.com/p/a14OVIAlb = Please tell me what I need to do |
| 11:07.22 | bullgard4 | Where is the concept of "memo" in IRC defined? It is not defined in RFC2810-2813. |
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| 11:07.38 | nima0102 | I want to compile a X.c program in debian, while compile get error not found config.h for kernel source |
| 11:07.49 | nima0102 | may any one help me |
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| 11:09.39 | adb | Psuedo: as just told , not support for custom distribution |
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| 11:12.42 | jelly | Psuedo: if you need to install lots of packages, having them in your own repository would be preferred, and we told you how to do that (/msg dpkg own repo) already. This channel doesn't support anything other than Debian, so you'll have to find a more appropriate channel for issues with Debris. |
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| 11:14.40 | EmleyMoor | Debris? Sounds like it blew up <g> |
| 11:15.12 | jelly | cannot groan cause he made the same joke before |
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| 11:19.50 | jelly | Psuedo: also, that output looks very much the same as the previous one, except you didn't use the ubuntu pastebin and changed the working directory to ".../Debian Packages". Shrewd! |
| 11:20.44 | jelly | dpkg messages like " subversion depends on libsvn1 (= 1.5.1dfsg1-1ubuntu2);" somewhat negate the apparent intention, though |
| 11:20.44 | dpkg | You are moron #2, jelly |
| 11:20.54 | jelly | if only |
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| 11:21.18 | Mood | my debian timezone is all messed up |
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| 11:25.14 | nihilstar | jelly, nothing changed :-( |
| 11:25.35 | nihilstar | still getting the error mdadm: No devices listed in conf file were found. |
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| 11:26.47 | celeritas | I've got a local network that I want to use xdmcp (via gdm) with. I added Enabled=True to [xdmcp] in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, and enabled TCP connections |
| 11:26.54 | celeritas | what more do I have to do, besides restarting the gdm? |
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| 11:28.37 | celeritas | udp port 177 is not listening, though. has GDM broken xdmcp support by now? |
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| 11:28.52 | chnuebi | hey folks |
| 11:29.03 | chnuebi | what source do I have to add in order to download finch for Debian |
| 11:29.14 | celeritas | hmm, that's strange, it's only listening on udp6, not udp4 |
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| 11:30.48 | adb | chnuebi: aptitude install finch |
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| 11:31.33 | lfamorim | How can I use rtrim in text file? In cmd |
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| 11:32.16 | adb | chnuebi: ah , aptitude install -d finch |
| 11:32.35 | celeritas | this is a freebsd bug, but it is the same bug as in Linux (oh, with the little exception that the fix won't work): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2006-December/016362.html |
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| 11:33.33 | adb | celeritas: file a bug , !bts |
| 11:34.09 | celeritas | adb: already been reported |
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| 11:34.31 | celeritas | adb: there's a 'workaround' which works only if you disable IPv6 completely |
| 11:35.20 | adb | maybe, i dunno |
| 11:35.20 | celeritas | from around like... 6 years ago! |
| 11:35.32 | celeritas | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-ipv6@lists.debian.org/msg02327.html |
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| 11:38.04 | celeritas | I think I'll just use a more modern display manager like XDM |
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| 11:41.17 | Mood | i have the correct timezone, and my hardware clock is correct, but my debian time is wrong |
| 11:41.25 | Mood | anyone offer any clues? |
| 11:41.55 | chnuebi | exit |
| 11:41.58 | chnuebi | disconnect |
| 11:41.59 | ktwilight | Mood, re-set it dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 11:42.00 | chnuebi | close |
| 11:42.01 | Mood | i already exited |
| 11:42.02 | chnuebi | quit |
| 11:42.05 | chnuebi | exit |
| 11:42.06 | Psuedo | use a / |
| 11:42.07 | chnuebi | löle |
| 11:42.19 | Psuedo | lol |
| 11:42.21 | chnuebi | clear |
| 11:42.21 | Psuedo | try /exit |
| 11:42.26 | Psuedo | try /clear |
| 11:42.40 | Mood | what? |
| 11:42.41 | chnuebi | aha, bell in window 3? |
| 11:42.45 | chnuebi | dini fetti mueter |
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| 11:42.49 | chnuebi | lol |
| 11:42.51 | chnuebi | m$ rulez |
| 11:42.55 | chnuebi | und ig ou.. |
| 11:42.56 | chnuebi | löl |
| 11:42.57 | chnuebi | lol |
| 11:42.58 | chnuebi | rofl |
| 11:43.00 | Mood | ignore chnuebi all |
| 11:43.14 | Psuedo | ./msg dpkg own repo |
| 11:43.17 | Mood | i keel forgetting the / |
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| 11:44.01 | hark | Mood: what does grep UTC /etc/default/rcS say? |
| 11:44.07 | chnuebi | how do I kick someone using a screen session on my server? |
| 11:44.12 | chnuebi | hm |
| 11:44.21 | Mood | harK; hold on, i'm trying dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 11:44.55 | hark | Mood: anyway, make sure that's set right |
| 11:44.57 | Mood | hark: UTC=yes |
| 11:45.21 | Mood | universal time is correct, but my loical time is still incorrect |
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| 11:45.28 | Mood | local* |
| 11:45.29 | bolt-work | gotta love the AOL hours in this channel |
| 11:45.45 | Pythack | Hello |
| 11:46.08 | hark | Mood: so your system clock is set to utc? |
| 11:46.21 | Mood | hark: it would seem so |
| 11:46.28 | Mood | but my local time != universal time |
| 11:46.43 | hark | nm, afk |
| 11:47.39 | Mood | argh, i guess i have to install ntpdate |
| 11:47.40 | Pythack | Who know Voicespeaker? |
| 11:48.08 | bolt-work | !tell pythack about polls |
| 11:48.28 | Pythack | ? |
| 11:49.06 | Mood | hark: ok, i used ntpdate and now it's fixed... but it's strange... seems like tzdata was buggy |
| 11:49.07 | bolt-work | Pythack, instead of asking if anyone is using package <foo>, state your problem with it instead. |
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| 11:49.40 | Pythack | bolt-work -> Ok |
| 11:50.11 | Pythack | So, when I start VoiceSpeaker, it close brutally...$ |
| 11:50.23 | Pythack | But I am not in my computer... |
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| 11:51.52 | sts | Hello Folks! I'm trying to build a customized debian package with two processor architectures for arkeia? so i have two "source directories" arkeia-6.0.20-[i386|adm64] with the binaries included and i want to build two packages out of it. how would i do that? |
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| 11:52.04 | Psuedo | G'Day |
| 11:52.04 | Psuedo | Does anyone know of an online place where I can upload a repository for free? Currently tryping Launchpad, can't figure it out... |
| 11:52.20 | sts | Psuedo: sourceforge? |
| 11:52.38 | sts | Psuedo: what kind of repository? |
| 11:54.06 | Psuedo | Repository of Debian packages |
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| 11:54.35 | bolt-work | Pythack: what do you mean by "close brutally" and that you're "not in your computer"? |
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| 11:55.27 | sts | Psuedo: uh .. I thought you are talking about SVN/CVS. I didn't know that there are places to freely host repositories... |
| 11:55.40 | Pythack | bolt-work -> I am to school's computer... |
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| 11:56.51 | Pythack | bolt-work -> This evening, I'll try to start wine in a term and say you the error log... |
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| 11:57.19 | cusco | hi |
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| 11:57.29 | Pythack | cusco -> hi |
| 11:57.45 | bolt-work | Pythack: I wont be here this evening. You should ask the channel, not me specifically. Also, try #wine, or if you're on Ubuntu, try #debian-fr |
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| 11:57.55 | bolt-work | er |
| 11:57.57 | cusco | which is the open office component that handles PDF's?? |
| 11:58.00 | bolt-work | #ubuntu-fr |
| 11:58.07 | bolt-work | there is a #debian-fr too though |
| 11:58.32 | Pythack | bolt-work -> How you know I am french? |
| 11:58.43 | bolt-work | Pythack: i can tell :) |
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| 11:59.30 | Pythack | bolt-work -> Say me please... |
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| 12:00.07 | stintel | Pythack: just whois your IP address .... |
| 12:00.16 | Pythack | Rho.... |
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| 12:00.25 | bolt-work | :) |
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| 12:00.44 | hyper_ch | are there actually volatile packages from testing and sid? |
| 12:00.50 | Pythack | I won't guess... |
| 12:01.07 | stintel | Pythack: and renater probably rings you a bell too ;) |
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| 12:01.08 | yalu | ntp question. if you install ntp and ntpdate on a new (5.0) system, and the system boots, it brings up the network (rcS.d/S40networking) and in an ifup script ntpdate is ran. ntp is started only in rc2.d/S23ntp . so you'd expect that it first runs ntpdate, then starts ntp. but a fter a reboot, I see errors from ntpdate in my logs that the ntp socket is already in use. quid, |
| 12:01.13 | yalu | ? |
| 12:01.20 | dmdd | hello. which scripts in /etc/rc{0..6}.d execute at boot? or rather which runlevels does debian pass at boot time? all of them? |
| 12:01.21 | EmleyMoor | hyper_ch: No - sid is volatile enough as it is |
| 12:01.57 | stintel | yalu: I used openntpd with the -s switch, no need to have ntpd and ntpdate then ã |
| 12:01.57 | Pythack | There are more help in #debian than #debian-fr :) |
| 12:02.47 | stintel | Pythack: probably more people who speak english ã |
| 12:02.56 | Pythack | Of course :) |
| 12:03.02 | hyper_ch | EmleyMoor: but there are for testing? |
| 12:03.10 | stintel | I can speak french too, but english is much easier for me so I wont bother using french |
| 12:03.12 | Pythack | ++ I go to school U_u |
| 12:04.13 | EmleyMoor | hyper_ch: Not sure but I don't think so |
| 12:04.27 | hyper_ch | EmleyMoor: thx |
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| 12:04.56 | kals3 | hi, ntfs-3g is safe to use nowadays, correct? |
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| 12:05.35 | bolt-work | kals3: works for me :) i don't think you'll get a warranty on it though |
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| 12:05.47 | kals3 | ah, that's enough ;) |
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| 12:05.55 | kals3 | cheers |
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| 12:06.49 | adb | Mood: ntp |
| 12:07.11 | Mood | adb: that's what i used |
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| 12:12.13 | Dirk__ | hallo |
| 12:12.33 | Dirk__ | how can i reset my network configuration???? |
| 12:12.49 | bolt-work | Dirk__: what, exactly, is it you want to "reset" and why? |
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| 12:13.07 | kals3 | "/etc/init.d/networking restart" as root _might_ be what you want |
| 12:13.19 | Dirk__ | 1 moment |
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| 12:14.16 | bolt-work | waits for Dirk__ to time out |
| 12:14.28 | kals3 | heh |
| 12:14.58 | Dirk__ | My networkcard gets no ip adresse from the router, ther routing table is empty (also default etc) and I this failure if i try to ad something: siocaddrt: No Process found |
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| 12:16.19 | Dirk__ | Now a ask myself if there an easy way to reconfigurate my network devices |
| 12:16.25 | bolt-work | Dirk__: could you stuff /etc/network/interfaces and the output from ifconfig into a pastebin perhaps? |
| 12:17.09 | Dirk__ | pastbin? |
| 12:17.14 | bolt-work | !pastebin |
| 12:17.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:18.51 | osfd | !youtube |
| 12:18.52 | Decepticon | Search could not be completed |
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| 12:20.04 | osfd | Hi, I still can not watch videos with iceweasel in youtube, daylymotions....do you know, from what it might come from...please.. |
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| 12:20.15 | Spectre | hi, how could happen my Desktop is only for root? I had there a .deb package and extracted by: ar vx mypackage.deb |
| 12:20.29 | Spectre | how could I access destop for my user? |
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| 12:21.25 | osfd | Spectre:cd /home/user/Desktop ..? |
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| 12:21.59 | Matboy | Is firebird server 2 in Lenny still 1.5 in real life ? |
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| 12:22.15 | Spectre | osfd: I can't delete there anything, because of extracting **** package... I know damned cd command... I need help with access to delete things on my desktop |
| 12:22.50 | osfd | Spectre: easy dude, I was just trying to help |
| 12:23.05 | Matboy | !firebird |
| 12:23.05 | dpkg | hmm... firebird is the DFSG-free version of Borland's InterBase: http://firebird.sf.net/ If you want the web browser, see Firefox |
| 12:23.14 | Matboy | !firebird2 |
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| 12:23.43 | EmleyMoor | fires two birds in Matboy's general direction |
| 12:24.23 | osfd | dpkg: iceweasel ? |
| 12:24.23 | dpkg | from memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 12:24.23 | Spectre | osfd: you wouldn't be calm if you know what linux makes me... flashplayer NO, iceweasel as default NO NEVER, microphone NO, team speak NO, desktop NO |
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| 12:24.44 | Matboy | shoots the birds received from EmleyMoor :P |
| 12:25.08 | Matboy | EmleyMoor: do you know what version is in Lenny ? |
| 12:25.28 | EmleyMoor | No - not something I've ever handled |
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| 12:25.38 | osfd | Spectre: still, as much as I'd like to help you, being nervous won't help at all |
| 12:26.05 | adb | judd: versions firebird lenny |
| 12:26.06 | judd | adb: firebird -- |
| 12:26.13 | Spectre | I'm still solving rubbish that work on windows... I wanted linux ok, it was silly, linux can't compare |
| 12:26.36 | amphi | senses a !customer moment coming |
| 12:26.36 | bolt-work | Spectre: you don't sound like you should be using linux then |
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| 12:27.26 | Spectre | bolt: I know it's my fault, I'm noob I can't control such genial operating system |
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| 12:27.36 | osfd | Spectre: I've been using linux for years..and windows can't compare. Also, you're obviously not so used to Linux...you should have chosen ubuntu instead of Debian |
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| 12:27.55 | EmleyMoor | I like Debian - 9 times out of ten it just works - and then continues to do so 99% of the time |
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| 12:28.09 | Spectre | ubuntu is ***... I tried to choose linux |
| 12:28.16 | stintel | :P |
| 12:28.20 | osfd | EmleyMoor: my debian is working F#$% great |
| 12:28.23 | Spectre | it has taken me hours and hours setting up |
| 12:28.29 | amphi | Spectre: why did you unpack that deb like that? |
| 12:28.36 | osfd | Spectre: what do you mean it's *** |
| 12:28.59 | adb | Spectre: use synaptic , aptitude for installing , not ar extract |
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| 12:29.28 | Spectre | adb: it's hopeless if flash player is not for AMD 64bit |
| 12:29.39 | Spectre | synaptic cannot install it |
| 12:29.42 | Boohbah_ | troll, food, don't feed, etc. |
| 12:29.48 | osfd | Spectre: Damn I love debian but let's face it *Ubuntu is F#$% great for newcomers and that's not insulting to say that Ubuntu is a good distro to learn |
| 12:29.51 | adb | !flash64 |
| 12:29.51 | EmleyMoor | Spectre: I have a flashplayer on my amd64 system |
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| 12:30.35 | bullgard4 | Where is the concept of "memo" in IRC defined? It is not defined in RFC2810-2813. |
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| 12:31.07 | EmleyMoor | bullgard4: It's non-standard - a bot-controlled feature |
| 12:31.26 | bullgard4 | EmleyMoor: Hm. |
| 12:32.30 | osfd | Spectre: why did yo choose debian ? |
| 12:32.57 | Spectre | omg linux makes me cry...... now it tells me I have an old version of flash player (but I downloaded newest) |
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| 12:34.05 | Spectre | osfd: Because I want to see what's happening inside... I want to have a little control about things I have / don't have on system. on ubuntu I have full system but if something doesn't work... how can I find out what package it is or similar? |
| 12:34.26 | adb | who tells you ? a browser |
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| 12:34.34 | osfd | Spectre: man, you're kidding ? |
| 12:35.09 | Spectre | I would be grateful if you told me how to set up rights in desktop folder for normal user |
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| 12:35.23 | bolt-work | chmod? |
| 12:35.24 | Spectre | adb: it tells me youtube |
| 12:35.44 | adb | so not linux |
| 12:35.51 | Spectre | and I even don't know why it crashed... because I only extracted and rights was changed.. |
| 12:35.51 | osfd | Spectre: whatever... |
| 12:35.54 | Spectre | I didn't use chmod |
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| 12:36.25 | osfd | Spectre: by the way why didn't you use dpkg -i your.deb ? |
| 12:37.07 | Spectre | osfd: I was following this: http://www.g-loaded.eu/2008/01/28/how-to-extract-rpm-or-deb-packages/ |
| 12:37.38 | osfd | Spectre: do you want to extract or install ? |
| 12:37.51 | Spectre | install is far away now |
| 12:38.22 | EmleyMoor | Forget how far away it is... what do you WANT? |
| 12:38.42 | Spectre | install it of course |
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| 12:39.43 | osfd | Spectre: if you need help, search for it at the right place: http://wiki.debian.org/FrontPage <== this could be a good start and not some stupid random website |
| 12:40.25 | osfd | Spectre: you don't need to extract a package...you just need to install it...unless you wanna see what's in it.. |
| 12:41.31 | osfd | I also think you should read a little bit more because you look like someone that really don't know what he's doing |
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| 12:42.16 | osfd | gnu/linux != windows you get GREAT result as long as you know where you're going |
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| 12:42.33 | osfd | !deb |
| 12:42.34 | dpkg | deb is, like, the extension for debian precompiled packages |
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| 12:49.49 | doctormo | osfd: Interesting |
| 12:50.41 | osfd | doctormo: ? |
| 12:51.00 | fireba11 | hm .. i want to upgrade a (spare) system to lenny. apt-get tells me a lot of packages have been kept back, how can i remove that for all of those packages? |
| 12:51.24 | doctormo | osfd: Gnu/Linux != Windows, bit like cheese != meta-chalk |
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| 12:52.08 | osfd | doctormo: well, I do know it but Spectre obviously did not.. |
| 12:52.56 | alexxoid | fireba11: use aptitude instead - it can find the solution for resolve dependencies |
| 12:53.08 | osfd | or do not, because so far I think he still did not get it |
| 12:54.21 | hark | fireba11: read the release notes... /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 12:54.30 | osfd | I still can't read videos on youtube and dailymotion with iceweasel....does anyone know why and what can I do about that (except not going on these websites) |
| 12:54.32 | osfd | please |
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| 12:55.47 | MatBoy | mhh, seems to be difficult to see if firebird on lenny is really 2.0 |
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| 12:56.47 | craigevil | osfd: 32bit or 64bit? 32 bit install flashplugin-nonfree or use dmm and install flashplayer-mozilla, 64bit install adobe's 64 bit flash |
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| 12:57.48 | osfd | craigevil: ok, brb |
| 12:58.25 | robert83a1 | hello, got here debian etch , I'm trying to do a apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.18-6, but no package found, I've got kernel-2.6.18-6 (686) installed, I need the source. Help me. |
| 12:58.45 | craigevil | MatBoy: how so the packages are named firebird2, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firebird2&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 12:58.54 | osfd | craigevil: ok, I can't see this little bastard in my aptitude search |
| 12:59.35 | craigevil | osfd: if your using stable use debian-multimedia.orgs repo, you will have to add it to your sources.list |
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| 13:00.37 | robert83a1 | apt-cache search kernel-source no result, am I missing a repo here? |
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| 13:01.35 | robert83a1 | ohh...I keep forgeting...debian is linux-source :) |
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| 13:01.53 | osfd | craigevil: I have this one..? http://nopaste.info/ac9054a07a.html |
| 13:02.32 | elif | for what list should I have to subscribe to begin contribute with debian translations (English 2 portuguese) ? |
| 13:02.34 | craigevil | osfd: thats fine, aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 13:02.56 | Blackhold | hello, could someone give me some help please? |
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| 13:03.25 | Blackhold | I'm doing a tar on a tape, and when I try to append an other dir it don't appears on tape when I use t option |
| 13:03.34 | Blackhold | create tar cvf |
| 13:03.41 | Blackhold | append dir to tar rvf |
| 13:03.56 | Blackhold | list content of tar tvf |
| 13:04.00 | zeitsofa | hello :) - i have a problem with my xen guest-systems. always i start a xen guest the following problem comes up: http://pastebin.com/m5e090f22 my first trys to fix it you can see in the nopaste, too. i dont have an idea to fix it :( |
| 13:04.03 | Blackhold | tar tvf /dev/st0 |
| 13:05.03 | osfd | craigevil: http://pastebin.ca/1354406 |
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| 13:06.32 | osfd | craigevil: got it...it's in the backport..! |
| 13:06.39 | craigevil | osfd: are you using iceweasel? pate your about:plugins the part about flash |
| 13:06.46 | craigevil | s/pate/paste |
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| 13:08.27 | craigevil | doesnt the "i" mean its already installed? |
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| 13:08.53 | osfd | craigevil: yes it does...and here is my about plugins http://pastebin.ca/1354409 |
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| 13:10.36 | osfd | !backports |
| 13:10.36 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 13:10.45 | Mood | !xrdb |
| 13:10.53 | Mood | !info xrdb |
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| 13:11.11 | craigevil | osfd: try removing the swfdec-mozilla |
| 13:11.26 | Mood | not sure what xrdb does exactly even after reading wiki and google pages |
| 13:11.31 | osfd | craigevil: how ? |
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| 13:12.05 | craigevil | aptitude remove swfdec-mozilla :) , i take it you use gnome |
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| 13:12.58 | osfd | craigevil: sorry, that was stupid |
| 13:12.58 | Mood | on a fresh install of debian, do i have to install xrdb and run it to get .Xdefaults and .xinitrc to recognize? |
| 13:13.19 | osfd | craigevil: damn, that did the trick...how come these 2 things were installed ? |
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| 13:13.44 | craigevil | totem |
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| 13:14.36 | robert83a1 | hello, I'm trying to compile ipp2p on debian etch, downloaded the linux-headers linux-source iptables-dev , now I've patched the ipp2p , and trying to do a make, and I get this : http://pastebin.com/m2772f1cd , what is wrong? iptables-dev is installed |
| 13:14.42 | gentlyninja | how can i get information why aptitude wants to remove some packages in a dist-upgrade? i use debian testing with debian-multimedia repositories from christian marillat |
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| 13:15.17 | valdyn | !b-e robert83a1 |
| 13:15.17 | dpkg | robert83a1: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 13:15.37 | valdyn | gentlyninja: "aptitude why", see the manpage |
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| 13:16.36 | robert83a1 | THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!! PROBLEM solved! thank you! |
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| 13:18.01 | Psuedo | What would you recommend I use for yacc? |
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| 13:19.26 | valdyn | Psuedo: funny question, does it make sense to you? |
| 13:19.42 | Psuedo | just got some advice, bison |
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| 13:20.29 | valdyn | !xdefaults |
| 13:20.29 | dpkg | i guess xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically |
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| 13:20.37 | valdyn | Mood: ^^ |
| 13:21.51 | Mood | i'm not sure what this means: "xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults" -- i mean i know what it says to do, but i don't understand what xrdb does |
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| 13:23.30 | valdyn | Mood: theres a manpage |
| 13:23.38 | Mood | valdyn: i already read it |
| 13:23.45 | Mood | valdyn: i don't understand it |
| 13:23.54 | valdyn | Mood: which part dont you understand? |
| 13:24.22 | Mood | when would i use xrdb? |
| 13:24.46 | valdyn | Mood: when you want to merge ~/.Xdefaults |
| 13:24.48 | Mood | on a fresh install of debian, it doesn't come installed. so does that mean .Xdefaults and .xinitrc are not read? |
| 13:25.11 | valdyn | Mood: a fresh install does not even have X |
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| 13:25.50 | Mood | valdyn: yes, my point exactly. so my question is: is xrdb a way of making the system read .Xdefaults and .xinitrc? (otherwise it won't) |
| 13:26.08 | valdyn | Mood: Xdefaults and xinitrc are totally unrelated |
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| 13:26.38 | valdyn | Mood: gdm does not read .Xdefaults by itself, thats why you can use xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
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| 13:27.15 | Mood | so xrdb -merge is telling X server to read Xdefaults before starting? |
| 13:27.19 | valdyn | Mood: why are you messing with this shit? |
| 13:27.39 | Blackhold | does anyone what could happen with that tape? |
| 13:27.41 | Mood | valdyn: because .Xdefaults and .xinitrc are not doing anything right now no matter what i do to them |
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| 13:27.52 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 13:27.54 | valdyn | Mood: why are you messing with those files? |
| 13:28.06 | Mood | my directory colors are dark blue against black -- i can't see a damn thing |
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| 13:28.11 | Mood | darn* |
| 13:28.15 | man_in_shack | does debian have modules for realtek wireless network cards? |
| 13:28.21 | valdyn | Mood: ..and you are using xterm? |
| 13:28.29 | ozdeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.37 | Mood | i am using rxvt |
| 13:28.39 | man_in_shack | *kernel modules |
| 13:28.47 | valdyn | Mood: dir colors really depend on the shell |
| 13:29.01 | valdyn | Mood: and your bash is not configured via xdefaults |
| 13:29.15 | Mood | valdyn: should i adjust my .bashrc LS_COLORS variable for dirs? |
| 13:29.23 | valdyn | Mood: probably |
| 13:29.49 | Mood | valdyn: ok. my LS_COLORS var is huge though, and i only want to change dir colors |
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| 13:30.16 | valdyn | Mood: xinitc has nothing to do with this, and whatever you put into Xdefaults you can put into Xresources |
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| 13:30.42 | valdyn | Mood: wherever you wanted to use xinitrc you should probably use .xsession |
| 13:30.50 | Mood | hmm... i'm going to try playing w/ the bashrc variables... |
| 13:31.24 | valdyn | Mood: that xrdb command you would put into .xinitrc or .xsession |
| 13:31.33 | valdyn | Mood: obviously xsession for you |
| 13:31.36 | valdyn | Mood: obviously .xsession for you |
| 13:31.53 | man_in_shack | yay, found it |
| 13:32.06 | Mood | valdyn: ok... i'll probably hold off on the .x files... all the .x/.X files are confusing me |
| 13:32.25 | valdyn | Mood: why dont you just use a gui configurable terminal? |
| 13:32.37 | Mood | i just don't know how they're all interconnected, or what their sequence of execution are, or their dependencies, or what calls them |
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| 13:38.54 | anoHito | hello guys,good evening. |
| 13:39.00 | MatBoy | exit |
| 13:39.02 | MatBoy | oops |
| 13:39.03 | MatBoy | :D |
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| 13:51.50 | anoHito | I have a question please, usually when we need to increace the performance of a web server runs php apache mysql, besides with the best specs that you can afford, also including software twicking, what else ? many people say put the apache and mysql in a different server ? |
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| 13:52.15 | redeeman | php is insanely slow |
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| 13:52.24 | redeeman | you should use one of those module that makes it do jitting |
| 13:52.29 | anoHito | hi redeeman ,how are you. |
| 13:52.40 | valdyn | anoHito: you want to find out where your bottleneck is first |
| 13:52.43 | anoHito | those module ? which ? |
| 13:52.50 | valdyn | anoHito: everything else doesnt really make sense before that |
| 13:52.57 | anoHito | valdyn, hi |
| 13:53.08 | anoHito | valdyn, but where shall i start this work from ? |
| 13:53.32 | valdyn | anoHito: top, iostat, free, whatever monitoring tool |
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| 13:54.35 | anoHito | valdyn, with top, most of times those 3 value are lower than 0.x |
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| 13:55.18 | anoHito | valdyn, but , you will notice when the acessing are increacing ,the loading of the ram is increacing altogether |
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| 13:55.36 | anoHito | that if i shut down mysql ,then restart it,many times that many ram will be freed |
| 13:55.56 | anoHito | i think there are some 'dead' link in mysql yet im not sure. |
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| 13:56.02 | valdyn | anoHito: you should read a book about this, not ask me |
| 13:57.00 | valdyn | anoHito: i can just list tools, not provide the documentation for using them properly |
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| 13:57.48 | anoHito | valdyn, hmm ,by the way, would you think add more memory will slightly fix it out ? |
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| 13:58.05 | anoHito | Orphis, use a scsi or ras hdd to replace the current sata2 ? |
| 13:58.07 | Mood | is it possible to throw a display via ssh to the client side? |
| 13:58.13 | valdyn | anoHito: how the hell am i supposed to know that? |
| 13:58.13 | anoHito | oops Orphis . |
| 13:58.22 | nihilstar | hehe, guys, i found the solution for that broken lenny software raid1 install _ubuntu server_ :-D |
| 13:58.34 | anoHito | valdyn, never mind,thanks for you advice |
| 13:59.14 | valdyn | Mood: what is "a display" ? |
| 13:59.38 | Mood | let's say i want to launch an app that resides on the server side (i.e. xeyes) and throw it up onto the client side |
| 13:59.49 | man_in_shack | grumbles |
| 14:00.03 | valdyn | Mood: ssh server, DISPLAY=:0 xterm |
| 14:00.10 | Mood | both of my $DISPLAY variables (client and server) are simply ":0.0" |
| 14:00.21 | man_in_shack | i can't find rtl8187se in module-assistant on unstable |
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| 14:00.40 | valdyn | Mood: i dont need to care about your client side $DISPLAY |
| 14:01.32 | Mood | valdyn: not sure what that means... both client + server are the same, :0.0... i don't know how to specify it for client side |
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| 14:01.41 | valdyn | Mood: you dont |
| 14:01.56 | Mood | ? |
| 14:01.58 | valdyn | Mood: you just log into the server and run "DISPLAY=:0 xterm" |
| 14:02.34 | dlynes | Does anyone know what the user.log file is for? All I've been able to find on it is 'User activity.' from the user's guide....it's pretty non-descript |
| 14:02.58 | valdyn | dlynes: read your /etc/syslog.conf |
| 14:03.13 | Mood | valdyn: doesn't work. from the client side, logging into server via ssh, then "DISPLAY=:0 xterm" throws an xterm onto the server |
| 14:03.18 | dlynes | My VPE's been rebooted last night, and I'm just trying to figure out what sent it the reboot message |
| 14:03.30 | valdyn | Mood: sure it does that |
| 14:03.39 | valdyn | Mood: i thought that is what you wanted |
| 14:03.54 | Mood | nope. i want to throw the app onto the client side, not server side |
| 14:03.54 | dlynes | valdyn: ah...just anything that starts with the word, 'user' then? |
| 14:04.06 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 14:04.06 | dpkg | i heard sshx is You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 14:04.10 | valdyn | Mood: ^^^ |
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| 14:04.53 | Mood | ahh.. i think that's what i need.. thanks again valdyn |
| 14:04.57 | dlynes | valdyn: is that the same as 'ssh -X'? |
| 14:05.09 | valdyn | dlynes: literally |
| 14:05.13 | dlynes | ah... |
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| 14:05.18 | tralala | Mood, this is quite network intensive though. Keep it in mind. |
| 14:05.23 | robert83a1 | hello, on debian etch I dont have a /etc/init.d/iptables stop, how do I stop iptables, ie reset the rules iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT, iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT, iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT , is this enough? or is there a way to flush ? |
| 14:05.42 | dlynes | robert83a1: iptables -F |
| 14:05.44 | Mood | tralala: you're probably right.. probably lots of lag/refresh issues.... |
| 14:05.45 | valdyn | Mood: its not much on a cabled lan |
| 14:05.58 | valdyn | Mood: its bad with wlan |
| 14:06.00 | dlynes | robert83a1: however, that won't flush rules from any netfilter modules |
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| 14:06.08 | Mood | valdyn: good call... maybe it's not worth a shot after all :-( |
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| 14:06.46 | tralala | Mood, for slow networks vnc will serve you better |
| 14:06.48 | dlynes | robert83a1: it also won't reset your policies...your current methods to reset your policies are correct |
| 14:07.06 | xoz | tightvnc |
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| 14:08.09 | Mood | tralala: ah ok. ty |
| 14:08.15 | dlynes | tralala: is there a way to get vnc server to operate on X11 the same way it does on windows? i.e. to expose your current desktop, instead of creating a new screen? |
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| 14:09.09 | tralala | dlynes, yes, x11nvc |
| 14:09.22 | tralala | x11vnc |
| 14:09.22 | dlynes | tralala: x11nvc? or was that a typo? |
| 14:09.27 | dlynes | ah |
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| 14:10.43 | dlynes | tralala: always wondered why the tightvnc server on x11 worked so much differently from the tightvnc server on windows |
| 14:10.48 | robert83a1 | thank you all |
| 14:10.50 | dlynes | tralala: thanks |
| 14:11.42 | dlynes | robert83a1: btw, if you're not overly familiar with iptables rules, and you just want to get a firewall up and running without much hassle, you could try looking at shorewall |
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| 14:12.06 | dlynes | robert83a1: then you could do something as simple as '/sbin/shorewall clear' to reset all the policies and clear all the rules for iptables |
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| 14:12.32 | tralala | even if you are overly familiar shorewall does help a lot |
| 14:12.33 | sardaukar | hello |
| 14:12.42 | sardaukar | need help building deb packages |
| 14:12.47 | sardaukar | anyone experienced? |
| 14:12.53 | dlynes | robert83a1: shorewall's even available as a package, using apt-get/aptitude |
| 14:13.28 | robert83a1 | I come from CentOS world... only using debian to filter p2p using ipp2p |
| 14:13.38 | robert83a1 | but thank you |
| 14:13.53 | dlynes | robert83a1: already assumed you were from redhat or a derivative :) |
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| 14:14.05 | dlynes | robert83a1: based on your /etc/init.d/iptables comment |
| 14:14.57 | tralala | robert83a1, shorewall is not debian specific and will benefit you on centos as well |
| 14:15.39 | dlynes | robert83a1: http://www.shorewall.net/IPP2P.html |
| 14:15.39 | robert83a1 | by the way , anyone played with ipp2p here ? I've installed it, did the insmod -a no errors...and yet I run iptables -A FORWARD -m ipp2p --bit -j DROP |
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| 14:15.45 | robert83a1 | I get a segmentational fault |
| 14:15.48 | johnrw | hi folks... anyone here ever have to throw firefox in gdb b4? |
| 14:15.51 | dlynes | robert83a1: You'll need Shorewall 3.0 or higher for that link |
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| 14:16.39 | dlynes | johnrw: it's not overly difficult |
| 14:16.49 | dlynes | johnrw: just attach to a pid |
| 14:16.49 | johnrw | the symbols... get installed to... |
| 14:17.04 | dlynes | johnrw: however, I've never done it with debugging symbols before |
| 14:17.08 | johnrw | aahh... attach! |
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| 14:17.29 | johnrw | slaps forehead... grabs another coffee...(mornings suck!) |
| 14:18.00 | johnrw | Usually I try and tell gdb where to look on the cmdline... |
| 14:18.20 | johnrw | for symbols... and then there's source files... |
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| 14:18.44 | johnrw | ok... thanks... I'll try attaching... |
| 14:18.45 | ringo999 | very basic question: how do i checkout from localhost? svn co svn://localhost/path/to/repository? |
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| 14:19.11 | tralala | robert83a1, man svn, or svn help co |
| 14:19.21 | tralala | ringo999, ^^^ |
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| 14:22.09 | hughszg | hi guys, say if I want to translate one page of wiki.debian.org to zh_CN, how to check if the relevant zh_CN already exist? if nonexist, how to create a new page for it? after tranlsation, how to replace this finished work with those english pages? TIA |
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| 14:23.22 | skymal4ik | debian is da best! |
| 14:24.14 | skymal4ik | errr.. same shit.. 950+ users and silence... |
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| 14:24.28 | CoolCold | it's known |
| 14:24.29 | redeeman | anoHito: sorry, had to go do some work |
| 14:24.29 | robert83a1 | I've read debian xtables-addons has this ipp2p already ... how do I install it? |
| 14:25.20 | redeeman | anoHito: how big is your mysql database? |
| 14:25.49 | anoHito | redeeman, it was nice of you, hmm approximately less than 512MB or so,i haven't checked it out. |
| 14:26.05 | redeeman | you should find out if your queries are slow |
| 14:26.09 | redeeman | and then possibly add indexes |
| 14:26.16 | tralala | robert83a1, /msg dpkg grounding |
| 14:26.30 | redeeman | also, you can get great performance boosts by adjusting mysqls caching behavior |
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| 14:28.21 | robert83a1 | my problem lsmod | grep p2p lists nowthing |
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| 14:28.47 | robert83a1 | I followed this guide http://www.cahilig.org/install-ipp2p-debian-etch-block-p2p , went trough all without errors |
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| 14:29.31 | robert83a1 | even depmod -a , I can type iptables -m ipp2p --help lists the help no problem |
| 14:29.53 | robert83a1 | but creating actual rules like this : iptables -A FORWARD -m ipp2p --bit --edk --kasa -j DROP |
| 14:29.57 | robert83a1 | causes a segmentatinal fault |
| 14:30.10 | robert83a1 | maybe the module was not loaded? I'm using this on a bridged interface... |
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| 14:31.57 | jelly | robert83a1: 2.6.18 is rather old a kernel, are you sure all the functionality is present? |
| 14:33.27 | robert83a1 | jelly : I followed the guide above , and as the info of the guide says it should be enough for my situation : by the way this is what strace iptables gets me http://pastebin.com/m1e4d914 , if anyone understands this and can help. |
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| 14:36.24 | jelly | robert83a1: are you positive you used the correct patch for your iptables 1.3.6 from etch? |
| 14:36.30 | xmag | hi i just tried to install lenny amd64 on a Dell Vostro 400 with an intel e1000e card, after configurating the mirror it just stalled |
| 14:36.43 | xmag | it seems that the e1000e driver is still a bit buggy? |
| 14:36.51 | jelly | robert83a1: it's possible you'll need newer iptables to be able to use that iptable module |
| 14:37.18 | xmag | now i just put it an old realtek card and everything works fine |
| 14:37.21 | jelly | robert83a1: if the machine is doing nothing else, consider upgrading to debian stable. |
| 14:37.56 | redeeman | xmag: what intel chip is that? |
| 14:38.11 | xmag | 82562V-2 |
| 14:38.33 | redeeman | hmm never tried that one, i do have a few others which runs e1000e though |
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| 14:39.22 | xmag | redeeman: using which kernel? |
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| 14:40.13 | redeeman | .24, .26, .27/28 |
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| 14:42.45 | johnrw | hmm, the source files are packaged in a .orig.tar.gz and a .diff.gz; q: how would i apply the diffs to all of the source tree? |
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| 14:44.21 | themill | johnrw: dpkg-source -x package.dsc |
| 14:44.25 | xmag | redeeman: hm, ok, maybe a kernel update helps |
| 14:45.01 | johnrw | themill: thanks... |
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| 14:45.57 | themill | johnrw: for future reference, "dget http://...../package.dsc" will grab all of the bits for you too. |
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| 14:46.41 | johnrw | wow... |
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| 14:48.32 | johnrw | man........ that is so much easier!! |
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| 14:49.11 | stew | and dget -x does both fetch and dpkg-source -x |
| 14:49.18 | themill | :) |
| 14:49.25 | johnrw | dpkg-source: extracting iceweasel in iceweasel-2.0.0.19 |
| 14:49.25 | johnrw | dpkg-source: unpacking iceweasel_2.0.0.19.orig.tar.gz |
| 14:49.25 | johnrw | dpkg-source: applying ./iceweasel_2.0.0.19-0etch1.diff.gz |
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| 14:50.07 | johnrw | man...... when I took a look at all those diffs... |
| 14:52.00 | johnrw | I freaked..!! so I really gotta say thank you |
| 14:52.01 | johnrw | you saved me a day :) |
| 14:52.01 | chomwitt | hi. in lenny is seahorse deamon running , gnome-keyring or both? |
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| 14:59.06 | robert83a1 | Hello, just stared downloading Debian 5 Lenny, I was wondering if this package named xtables-addons-common , this http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/xtables-addons-common , is this available with apt-get in Lenny? (this package has ipp2p...) |
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| 15:00.49 | adb | !p.d.o |
| 15:00.50 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
| 15:01.15 | adb | robert83a1: ^^ |
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| 15:03.41 | tourt | how is possible that a fresh debian installer detects a RAID10 when there is no RAID hardware or RAID software configured?? |
| 15:03.56 | nareshov | magic! |
| 15:04.07 | tourt | the server has 4 discs empty! |
| 15:04.18 | tourt | nareshov: looks like it |
| 15:04.47 | tourt | I do want to configure RAID but I want to create a different schema |
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| 15:06.17 | tourt | the installer presents me this: "RAID10 device #0 - 2.0 TB Software RAID device" |
| 15:06.54 | buffoon_work | tourt, if the discs have been a RAID10 before then there are some things written on the discs so that the controller can identify them |
| 15:07.07 | buffoon_work | it is possible that the installer detects it |
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| 15:07.20 | buffoon_work | maybe it was something like dmraid |
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| 15:10.46 | Mood | is it possible to log into a remote machine where the user has not yet logged but turned on the machine and is facing a user login prompt? (i.e. remote boot) |
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| 15:11.13 | tourt | buffoon_work: so, I should clean the disks first... |
| 15:11.18 | lvh_ | hi |
| 15:11.35 | Mood | I have a headless machine (without a monitor) and I just want to be able to flip the switch on, and remotely log in via ssh |
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| 15:11.40 | lvh_ | I'm having a problem with alioth. I registered, got the confirmation email, click the link -- it tells me to log in, but then alioth's gforge tells me I don't exist! |
| 15:11.44 | lvh_ | Where do I go now? |
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| 15:12.14 | lvh_ | The specific error I get is just "Could Not Get User". |
| 15:13.09 | zeitsofa | where are the stored informations the device-mapper are use on boottime? |
| 15:13.09 | buffoon_work | tourt, yes, maybe you can overwrite them with zeros |
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| 15:13.20 | buffoon_work | tourt, or put them in the old server, let it detect the raid and delete it |
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| 15:14.58 | mohieddine | hy |
| 15:15.12 | valdyn | tourt: why is that a problem that the raid was detected? |
| 15:15.36 | lvh_ | Even better. Alioth won't let me log in because I don't exist -- and it won't let me register again because I already exist. |
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| 15:16.34 | EmleyMoor | Is there a GIMP help channel? |
| 15:16.34 | bolt-wor1 | Mood: having a logged on user is not a prerequisite for ssh login |
| 15:16.41 | Mood | bolt-wor1: ahh.... that would solve my problem! thank you |
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| 15:18.21 | mohieddine | problem with apt-get |
| 15:18.48 | tourt | valdyn: because I want to create another RAID schema... the previous one is different from what I want. |
| 15:18.51 | mohieddine | can't install packages |
| 15:18.59 | Mood | EmleyMoor: #gimp |
| 15:19.09 | EmleyMoor | mohieddine: What happens when you try? |
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| 15:19.30 | mroe | anyone a firehol user? |
| 15:19.59 | bolt-wor1 | !tell mroe about pollquestions |
| 15:20.01 | tourt | buffoon_work: rewrite MBR with zeros in all disks and created new partitions with no raid autodetect and still detecting a RAID10 |
| 15:20.08 | adb | kernel magic |
| 15:20.09 | johnrw | hmm, iceweasel -g -d ddd isn't launching ddd |
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| 15:20.23 | DB42 | how can i make a package depends on a range of versions ? |
| 15:20.40 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: #gimp on irc.gnome.org |
| 15:21.24 | DB42 | in APT .deb files |
| 15:21.24 | mroe | I need the equivelent of this rule to work: transparent_squid 8080 proxy src 192.168.90.0/24 src not 192.168.90.253 - in firehol |
| 15:21.32 | mohieddine | dependency problem |
| 15:21.40 | DB42 | ? |
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| 15:21.49 | mohieddine | with nagios3-common |
| 15:21.50 | tourt | buffoon_work: I guess that I should restart the installer... |
| 15:22.11 | EmleyMoor | mohieddine: Can you pastebin the output? |
| 15:22.42 | buffoon_work | tourt, yes, that and I would overwrite the whole disk with zeros, not just the mbr. I don't know if this information is stored in MBR because that stands for master boot record |
| 15:22.50 | mohieddine | : dpkg: d pb de dependance empechent la configuration de nagios |
| 15:22.50 | mohieddine | nagios depend de nagios-common |
| 15:22.50 | mohieddine | le packet nagios common n'est pas encore configuré |
| 15:22.50 | mohieddine | dpkg erreur de traitement de nagios3 |
| 15:22.50 | mohieddine | E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 15:22.51 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, mohieddine |
| 15:23.01 | bolt-work | O.o |
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| 15:23.56 | starbuck33_ | hi, somebody here who uses qutecom? |
| 15:24.18 | DB42 | how can i make a package depends on a range of versions ? in .deb ? |
| 15:24.19 | beardy | !anyone |
| 15:24.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 15:24.37 | osfd | we can speak french in here ?? |
| 15:24.59 | beardy | DB42: You set the lowest required version it requires. (But others can answer that better.) |
| 15:25.02 | beardy | !fr |
| 15:25.02 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:25.15 | bolt-work | !pollquestions |
| 15:25.15 | dpkg | Asking questions like "Does anyone have X or use Y?" or "Does anyone know about Z?" will make people hesitate to answer, because they have no idea what your followup question is going to be, nor if they can answer it. Instead, ask a question that includes what you're doing, why you're doing it, which result you expected and what you got instead. Include error messages and your typed commands. |
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| 15:27.21 | johnrw | I'm trying to debug a program..... and gdb is spewing this... on opening up... warning: not using untrusted file "/home/johnrw/.gdbinit" |
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| 15:28.21 | johnrw | do I have to digitally sign the file or what? |
| 15:28.32 | johnrw | :) |
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| 15:30.42 | martianixor | hi |
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| 15:31.07 | Kissaki | spamassassin can't drop mails, right? Only flag? so, how would I drop them? If I got it right, postfix receives the mail, then sends it to smtpd with content filter spamassassin (making smtpd useless), which will check it and use sendmail (interface to postfix) to send it. So I'd have to replace sendmail with something? |
| 15:31.23 | martianixor | guys, I need to pick up a decent laptop system, any recommendations? |
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| 15:31.54 | dansa | hello; id like to compile a program in a particular kernel version; something older like linux 2.4; how can i install an older kernel like that very easily? any aptitude package for that? i cant find anything that looks obvious; help? |
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| 15:32.09 | martianixor | mainly for networking and GIS processing |
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| 15:33.06 | Kissaki | or should I use postfix header checks then? |
| 15:33.39 | martianixor | what about laptops with AMD processors? |
| 15:33.43 | Kissaki | but those will probably not be checked, as the mail is also not sent to the filter again? oO |
| 15:34.13 | martianixor | many questions, answers hard to find, where should I start researching |
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| 15:34.19 | pr3d4t0r | Good morning. |
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| 15:35.09 | bolt-work | !nickometer pr3d4t0r |
| 15:35.10 | dpkg | 'pr3d4t0r' is 98.820% lame, bolt-work |
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| 15:35.20 | buffoon_work | Kissaki, i consider you using amavis with spamassassin. there you can define rules for what to do with the spam mails |
| 15:35.28 | quique__ | could I get people's opinion on the best app for building a debian mirror? |
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| 15:35.54 | bolt-work | !tell quique__ about repository |
| 15:36.08 | Kissaki | antivirus? oO |
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| 15:36.53 | tourt | buffoon_work: restart the installation does not solves the problem... well, writing 4TB of zeros should take some time :) |
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| 15:37.18 | quique__ | bolt-work_ do you want too know what the purpose of the mirror is? I'm confused |
| 15:37.47 | buffoon_work | tourt, then you could try it with the 1st 10MB of the disk. It'll be in the beginning i guess |
| 15:38.38 | pr3d4t0r | Q. sshd (OpenSSH) is installed and set to start in runlevels 2345, stop in runlevels 016. The daemon doesn't start upon powering this box on, regardless of runlevel config. I set it up using rcconfig and using update-rc.d, and visually inspected that the symlinks to init.d/ssh are set up. sshd starts fine if root manually executes init.d/ssh. I also tried setting up /etc/init.d/ssh start in |
| 15:38.39 | pr3d4t0r | rc.local, no result. This is in Xandros, Debian-derived distribution. Can you please advise about why the daemon doesn't start? Thanks in advance. |
| 15:39.20 | bolt-work | quique__: i think that link is to a howto on how to set up a local repository |
| 15:39.38 | bsdx | pr3d4t0r, did you see the logs? |
| 15:39.45 | quique__ | bolt-work_ what link? |
| 15:39.57 | bolt-work | the link dpkg sent you |
| 15:40.11 | pr3d4t0r | bsdx: Yeah. There were no entries for either starting. |
| 15:40.16 | pr3d4t0r | checks again to ensure. |
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| 15:40.35 | quique__ | i don't see it |
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| 15:41.10 | bolt-work | wtf |
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| 15:41.12 | quique__ | ok go it |
| 15:41.18 | bolt-work | I just spammed dpkg offline :/ |
| 15:41.29 | bolt-work | goes to stand in the corner |
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| 15:42.05 | pr3d4t0r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.22 | robert83a1 | hello, installed Debian 5.0 Lenny, I did a apt-get install build-essentials module-assistant , now I did a apt-get install xtables-addons-source , and no package found |
| 15:43.30 | bolt-work | ~test |
| 15:43.31 | apt | Failed! |
| 15:43.37 | bolt-work | apt :D |
| 15:43.37 | apt | d is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure. |
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| 15:44.16 | robert83a1 | am I missing a apt source here? on the debian page it says xtables-addons was accepted into debian |
| 15:44.18 | bolt-work | ~ops i seem to have put dpkg offline. sorry. hope one of you can get it back up. |
| 15:44.19 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: i seem to have put dpkg offline. sorry. hope one of you can get it back up. |
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| 15:44.43 | daedhel | hi guys |
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| 15:44.44 | azeem_ | bolt-work: uhm, the ops aren't responsible for dpkg |
| 15:44.52 | bolt-work | oh. i thought one of them were |
| 15:44.58 | azeem | yeah great |
| 15:45.04 | azeem | bolt-work: so you spammed all of them? |
| 15:45.23 | bolt-work | don't you have some kind of collective access to it or somesuch? |
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| 15:45.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:45.32 | azeem | 16:43 < azeem_> bolt-work: uhm, the ops aren't responsible for dpkg |
| 15:45.49 | daedhel | question for you in xfce:# /usr/sbin/xfsm-shutdown-helper |
| 15:45.49 | daedhel | XFSM_SUDO_DONE |
| 15:45.49 | daedhel | FAILED |
| 15:45.50 | abrotman | bolt-work: the bot will rejoin in a bit on his own |
| 15:46.00 | azeem | bolt-work: the ops command is not to invoke a help desk |
| 15:46.00 | daedhel | I have added myself to powerdev, and my HAL policy sotware seems ok |
| 15:46.02 | azeem | anyway |
| 15:46.44 | bolt-work | azeem: i was trying to alert whoever is responsible for apt, which i wrongfully assumed was the ops |
| 15:46.49 | bolt-work | er. for dpkg |
| 15:46.56 | bolt-work | fine, then. i'll leave it be |
| 15:47.27 | quique__ | dpkg_ so would you recommend that link you sent me over apt-proxy, apt-mirror, or another app for managing a mirror? The method of the link talks of apt-move and apt-ftparchive. I've never done it that way. |
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| 15:47.46 | pr3d4t0r | Hrm... 2009-03-06 01:51:02 status half-configured openssh-server 1:4.3p2-9 -- this is in the install log. |
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| 15:47.51 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
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| 15:48.07 | pr3d4t0r | The box isn't logging its startup. Damn vendors... |
| 15:48.11 | AlexC_ | where I can set the default Bash history log file, for all users? So if their own .bashrc file does not overwrite it, it will be where I specify? |
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| 15:49.04 | bolt-work | AlexC_: /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 15:49.14 | AlexC_ | bolt-work, thanks =) |
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| 15:49.43 | bolt-work | AlexC_: not sure if that runs if your local .bashrc exists though |
| 15:49.58 | AlexC_ | bolt-work, no worries, I can work around that |
| 15:50.06 | th0ger | I want to read about all the makefile macros (pathsub,wildcard,foreach). Why isn't it in 'man make'? Where. |
| 15:50.29 | robert83a1 | Hello, on Debian 5 "Lenny" how can one configure apt-get to download experimental packages? like : xtables-addons-source |
| 15:50.33 | nonzen | th0ger: info make"? |
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| 15:51.21 | martianixor | do any of you know a site where I can look at reviews of laptops via selecting the tech specs ? |
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| 15:52.31 | bolt-work | robert83a1: if you need to ask about that, you really shouldn't do it |
| 15:52.42 | martianixor | guys with laptops, this is my first laptop, I don't need someone to pick one for me, I know my needs, I just don't know how to search with-in all those brands |
| 15:52.54 | robert83a1 | bolt-work : I'm searching for this package xtables-addons ... and I cannot install it via apt-get |
| 15:52.56 | pr3d4t0r | OKi, bootlog - enabling logging. Thanks so far :) |
| 15:53.06 | robert83a1 | bolt-work : on the debian website it says it should be available but it's not... |
| 15:53.09 | th0ger | nonzen: thanks, info make -> quick reference |
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| 15:53.27 | bolt-work | ~tell robert83a1 about experimental |
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| 15:54.16 | martianixor | anyway, thanks everyone :-) |
| 15:54.16 | robert83a1 | bolt-work : thankyou |
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| 15:55.53 | smacnay | Anyone know of a good billing software for linux. Billing and keeping track of paid and unpaid with the ability to use all info for taxes at the end of the year? |
| 15:56.02 | jpinx | I was running a rsync process of about 4 GBs for the first time and then realised I had mounted the fs as sudo by mistake. I stopped rsync, remounted the fs as user and restarted rsync as user, but it looks like it's startign from scratch - is that right? I thought rsync was cleverer than that? |
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| 15:56.22 | edju | about to install lenny on a vista machine - dual boot. i've read that using gparted to downsize the vista partition will render vista unusable. any comments? has anyone used gparted for this w/o untoward consequences? |
| 15:56.25 | muddd | smacnay, its the software you design and program yourself? |
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| 15:56.50 | smacnay | Sorry if I missed a response to this last night. I wish xchat had a way to pull up a log without digging through the home dir. |
| 15:57.07 | bolt-work | jpinx: i don't think rsync will correct permissions. also, feel free to try it again and see if it's restarting once more. if so, you might have an issue with file permissions or modification times. perhaps consider --size-only |
| 15:57.08 | muddd | smacnay, it does |
| 15:57.53 | jpinx | bolt-work: thanks - I'm reading man rsync now to see - it's a big man page :/ |
| 15:57.56 | OpenTokix | Can anyone tell me how I bind many ip's to eth0? - like eth0:1 etc. ? |
| 15:57.57 | smacnay | muddd, no, I am looking for something that does billing to contractors and can keep track of what I made (so all amounts are in a file that can be accesed by oo or some spreadsheet) so that I can do taxes at the end of the year. |
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| 16:02.42 | muddd | be veeewy veeewy quiet, i'm huntin wabbits |
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| 16:03.24 | muddd | sorry smacnay i have heard of no such program |
| 16:03.31 | muddd | no google luck? |
| 16:04.08 | tomodachi | smacnay: google docs? some macroing n stuff might get you something close to what you want? |
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| 16:04.57 | dareth | you consider gnucash? |
| 16:05.25 | dareth | sounds like some good bookkeeping software is what you need mudd. |
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| 16:06.57 | tomodachi | hmm that sounds much better than my suggestion |
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| 16:07.19 | ruhsi_ | ihr wichser |
| 16:07.25 | ruhsi_ | warum habt ihr alle boter gebannt |
| 16:07.27 | dusted | Hi, I have a box with no X and I need to disable the power saving thing that turns the screen black |
| 16:07.33 | bolt-work | !de |
| 16:07.33 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 16:07.50 | ruhsi_ | warummmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 16:08.01 | bolt-work | right. |
| 16:08.05 | nareshov | o.o |
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| 16:10.11 | aixenv | morning all |
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| 16:14.36 | daedhel | hi gus, i'm getting this a boot: Splashy ERROR : Connection refused |
| 16:14.36 | daedhel | Splashy ERROR : Error while selecting poll event: Interrupted system call |
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| 16:15.12 | daedhel | splashy works, but it flickers in the middle of the boot and come back |
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| 16:18.20 | smacnay | muddd, thank |
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| 16:19.16 | muddd | eh? |
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| 16:25.51 | daedhel | hi guys |
| 16:26.02 | muddd | hai guise |
| 16:26.09 | daedhel | can you tell me how do I log the kernel boot messages? |
| 16:26.21 | daedhel | ohh hai |
| 16:27.16 | daedhel | i want to have access to some error messages |
| 16:27.25 | daedhel | on the boot process |
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| 16:27.48 | daedhel | i think its stupid that you cant access those messages |
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| 16:28.04 | ma3x | is there a magnify (zoom, zoom out) tool for debian, just like when you connect macbook to a projector? |
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| 16:29.08 | tomodachi | ma3x: compiz-fusion has zoom in features |
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| 16:29.22 | ma3x | just like mac? |
| 16:29.26 | tomodachi | im not entierly sure what you mean with "just like mac" |
| 16:29.29 | nan8 | how do i tell the kernel to disable suspend to disk (stock lenny kernel) / "free" the device used for suspend - i thought echo XX > /sys/power/resume - but what would XX be? |
| 16:29.32 | tomodachi | are you refering to the dual head setup |
| 16:29.37 | tomodachi | zooming in on pieces of text |
| 16:29.37 | ma3x | i guess you've seen zoom in/out features on presentations |
| 16:29.40 | tomodachi | or the exposé featureS? |
| 16:30.12 | ma3x | haven't you seen those presentations with macbooks? they zoom and zoom out where the mouse is |
| 16:30.13 | tomodachi | is it in the os or in the application doing the presentation? |
| 16:30.17 | ma3x | i wonder how can you do that in debian |
| 16:30.20 | vbgunz | nan8: I wont be of much help, whats the issue with suspend? |
| 16:30.20 | tomodachi | ok |
| 16:30.21 | tomodachi | yes |
| 16:30.22 | tomodachi | you can |
| 16:30.26 | ma3x | how? |
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| 16:30.32 | tomodachi | install compiz-fusion |
| 16:30.39 | tomodachi | maybe its called compiz nowdayz |
| 16:30.46 | tomodachi | it requires a hw accellerated card |
| 16:30.49 | tomodachi | though |
| 16:30.53 | tomodachi | but most intel cards should do it |
| 16:30.56 | tomodachi | it has a zoom plugin |
| 16:30.59 | nan8 | vbgunz: no issue - i just want to remove the current swap volume (but due to suspend it is still in use) |
| 16:31.04 | tomodachi | wich allows you to zoom in on the cursor |
| 16:31.23 | ma3x | should i run compiz? or just the plugins? |
| 16:31.31 | tomodachi | nan8: use swapoff to disable swap before removing it |
| 16:31.36 | tomodachi | ma3x: read about compiz what it is |
| 16:31.37 | nan8 | tomodachi: is disabled |
| 16:31.44 | tomodachi | then come back when you have more questions |
| 16:32.02 | vbgunz | nan8: damn, not sure about it. I had problems with suspend and resume both to ram and disk and I solved them in Kubuntu 9.04. thought maybe you were having problems like that. sorry :( |
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| 16:32.17 | ma3x | tomodachi: i'm currently using kde, i guess you can't do that in kde? |
| 16:32.31 | tomodachi | you can guess all you want |
| 16:32.33 | daedhel | splashy is not working correctly, and I would like to debug it. I would like to have access to the kernel boot messages... how do I do that? |
| 16:32.34 | nan8 | tomodachi: i can't deactive the volume using lvchange - "in use: not deactivating" |
| 16:32.39 | tomodachi | or you can read what google tells you |
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| 16:33.00 | nan8 | vbgunz: well to be honest i don't use suspend to disk anyway |
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| 16:35.02 | daedhel | splashy is not working correctly, and I would like to debug it. I would like to have access to the kernel boot messages... how do I do that? |
| 16:35.10 | nan8 | thinks this could also be a dmsetup issue instead |
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| 16:35.28 | bolt-work | !bootlogd |
| 16:35.28 | dpkg | bootlogd is probably disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 16:35.35 | bolt-work | daedhel: --^ |
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| 16:36.44 | daedhel | ahhhhh great |
| 16:36.48 | daedhel | thanks!!! |
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| 16:37.30 | feddymix | well |
| 16:37.45 | tourt | buffoon_work: still no good. 4 minutes writing zeros on each disk, clean MBR, clean partitions, create partitions... the installer stills detect the raid... |
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| 16:40.33 | nan8 | changing the resume device via echo anotherswap > /sys/power/resume does not solve the problem |
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| 16:45.18 | muddd | spliot |
| 16:45.56 | tomodachi | tourt: did you empty the mbr? |
| 16:45.58 | tomodachi | tourt: dont really know where the info is stored |
| 16:46.03 | dikdust | someone had experience with some cluster fs ? |
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| 16:46.18 | tomodachi | or maybe it uses the uuid of the drive to detect it |
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| 16:47.26 | smacnay | Wow - is there ever a lot of unmet dependencies in my "testing" upgrade. I think I will lay low a while longer before doing anything. The thing is that there are now over 250 packages to upgrade. Maybe "safe-upgrade" is the way to go for now. |
| 16:47.56 | mischief6 | what does it mean when booting it says 'undefined video mode'? |
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| 17:05.10 | tourt | tomodachi: yes, I did |
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| 17:05.37 | johnrw | I am trying to debug firefox... (hahaha i know...) and I'd like to set the symbols path up... so my question is where do they get installed to from the debug package. |
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| 17:08.56 | arvind_khadri | which grstreamer plugin plays AAC? |
| 17:09.14 | mramish | Do i need these lenny-proposed-updates sources? |
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| 17:10.19 | project2601a | hi. how do i prevent windows from maximizing in gnome? |
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| 17:13.56 | cahoot | arvind_khadri: gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad perhaps |
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| 17:14.20 | arvind_khadri | cahoot, aah no.... it doesnt play, and really-bad removes bad |
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| 17:16.19 | arvind_khadri | cahoot, ya bad plays it, but really bad and bad cant co-exist |
| 17:16.38 | cahoot | too bad |
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| 17:17.28 | cahoot | arvind_khadri: I'd guess mplayer can handle it |
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| 17:18.24 | arvind_khadri | cahoot, aah i see :) thanks btw |
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| 17:19.55 | J_P1 | hi all |
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| 17:20.44 | J_P1 | hi all, anyone know if are there problem to use dosemu to send via serial using usb serial cable ? Because I using here, and from dos app, it are receiving data via serial (usb-serial cable) but can't transmit data.. I try set baudrate using stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 but not works yet. Any idea? |
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| 17:22.20 | johnrw | (gdb) symbol-file /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin |
| 17:22.21 | johnrw | Reading symbols from /UNIONFS/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin...(no debugging symbols found)...done. |
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| 17:22.50 | pr3d4t0r | OKi, still troubleshooting this crazy Xandros box. I tried activating the syslog to sort out the actual problem - no luck. BOOGLOGD_ENABLE=Yes, syslogd -d, no messages in /var/log. I still can't figure out why sshd doesn't start from runlevels 2345, though configured with rcconf and/or update-rc.d -- what would be the next good place to look? |
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| 17:23.14 | johnrw | ...but i installed the debug version... |
| 17:23.34 | pr3d4t0r | It seems that by starting the GUI a lot of system-level commands are blocked/sandboxed when issued from the CLI. |
| 17:23.55 | project2601a | pr3d4t0r: ? |
| 17:24.06 | project2601a | ah, xandros |
| 17:24.18 | pr3d4t0r | project2601a: I installed OpenSSH and sshd won't start during bootstrap. |
| 17:24.18 | project2601a | e domini patri, e spirictus sancti |
| 17:24.23 | project2601a | go in peace |
| 17:24.24 | pr3d4t0r | project2601a: Heh. |
| 17:24.44 | project2601a | did you ls /etc/init.d/rc.* ? |
| 17:24.56 | pr3d4t0r | project2601a: Yes. |
| 17:25.03 | project2601a | does the link start with S? |
| 17:25.07 | project2601a | does it start after networking? |
| 17:25.09 | pr3d4t0r | Yes. |
| 17:25.14 | project2601a | does the deamon start manually? |
| 17:25.22 | pr3d4t0r | project2601a: It doesn't start after networking, but it'll start manually. |
| 17:25.37 | \amethyst | does Xandros use sysv init? |
| 17:25.45 | pr3d4t0r | project2601a: I can start it both /etc/init.d/ssh start or /sbin/sshd (or wherever it lives on the file system). |
| 17:25.54 | project2601a | what i meant was, is the two digit value larger than the value of netwokring? |
| 17:25.56 | johnrw | okay... this works... symbol-file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin |
| 17:26.43 | pr3d4t0r | project2601a: Ah, good point. Let me check. |
| 17:27.01 | project2601a | did you use apt or did you compile by hand? |
| 17:27.19 | project2601a | sounds like you compiled by hand |
| 17:27.30 | ttyS1 | anyone running cinelerra on lenny ? I'm following the instructions on http://www.guatewireless.org/en/como-instalar-cinelerra-sobre-linux-debian/ but I keep getting: cinelerra: Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.97) but it is not going to be installed |
| 17:27.30 | ttyS1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:27.30 | ttyS1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:27.55 | pr3d4t0r | project2601a: apt-get. |
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| 17:28.47 | pr3d4t0r | project2601a: OKi, number is > networking. |
| 17:28.52 | project2601a | pr3d4t0r: the package installs the symlinks itself |
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| 17:29.06 | ttyS1 | sorry thought was gonna be less lines |
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| 17:29.30 | ttyS1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.33 | pr3d4t0r | project2601a: S30ssh -- I also tried adding /usr/sbin/sshd to rc.local, which is at 99Src.local -- last thing to run. |
| 17:29.45 | project2601a | anyway. off to home |
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| 17:29.51 | pr3d4t0r | project2601a: Yeah about the packages. I removed the package, re-installed. same thing. |
| 17:29.52 | project2601a | pr3d4t0r: i'll be online in about an hour |
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| 17:29.55 | pr3d4t0r | project2601a: Thanks. |
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| 17:30.55 | luigica2003 | ciao |
| 17:30.55 | luigica2003 | !list |
| 17:30.55 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to luigica2003 |
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| 17:31.55 | cantoma | hi there friends i am getting "ethereal: Depends: wireshark (= 0.99.7-1~lenny1) but it is not going to be installed" the wireshark installed is "1.0.2-3+lenny4" how can i fix this dependencies error? |
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| 17:33.42 | ttyS1 | anyone running cinelerra on lenny ? I'm using the instructions on http://pastebin.com/d71ccc561 but I keep getting dependencies errors: http://pastebin.com/d71ccc561 |
| 17:34.02 | ttyS1 | http://www.guatewireless.org/en/como-instalar-cinelerra-sobre-linux-debian/ |
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| 17:35.07 | jvm_ | could it be...that it is impossible in current iceweasel versions to deactivate headers when printing, while it works in firefox? |
| 17:35.12 | jvm_ | i believe ubuntu firefox installations show comboboxes to configure what to print additionally in different edges. iceweasel does not. |
| 17:35.20 | hark | ttyS1: install from the dmm repository /msg dpkg dmm |
| 17:35.59 | rgr | is there any linux screencam type thing which allows live point highlighting/cursor highlight etc? |
| 17:37.13 | ttyS1 | hark: yes I already added http://debian-multimedia.org/ but I still get the dependencies error |
| 17:37.29 | hark | cantoma: what happens when you install wireshark? |
| 17:38.02 | Geek`N`Proud | jvm_, Ubuntu firefox has extras that aren't in vanilla firefox |
| 17:38.13 | Geek`N`Proud | look at the ubufox extension.. perhaps that adds it |
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| 17:38.31 | cantoma | hark: did you thing my sources list could cause dependencies errors > http://pastebin.com/d2f3b95e0 |
| 17:38.32 | craigevil | ttyS1: http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#apt |
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| 17:42.33 | hark | cantoma: looks ok, pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libc6 wireshark and aptitude install wireshark |
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| 17:45.26 | hark | ttyS1: pastebin apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy cinelerra libquicktimehv |
| 17:45.26 | cantoma | hark: http://pastebin.com/d5ac2c1b |
| 17:45.32 | mischief6 | what does it mean when booting it says 'undefined video mode'? |
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| 17:46.53 | cantoma | mischief6: is that causing you any problem? |
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| 17:47.31 | mischief6 | cantoma, no. but i'd rather not wait 30 seconds/manually pick a mode |
| 17:47.41 | Dllbrt | hello. Does the lenny distro include source code? |
| 17:47.43 | mischief6 | just curious if it is fixable |
| 17:47.59 | pickcoder | Dllbrt: it's GPL.. of course it does |
| 17:48.08 | pickcoder | apt-get source <package> will download the source .deb |
| 17:48.15 | Dllbrt | on the dvds? or as downloads? |
| 17:48.16 | hark | cantoma: all right then, it's installed |
| 17:48.25 | pickcoder | both I would assume |
| 17:48.47 | cantoma | hark: i was actually trying to install ethereal |
| 17:49.11 | hark | cantoma: forget ethereal, it's just a transitional package |
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| 17:49.21 | Dllbrt | I'm trying to nail down that question, because I don't have the download capability to fetch it in my lifetime |
| 17:49.22 | hark | cantoma: wireshark is the new name |
| 17:49.22 | hark | !wireshark |
| 17:49.22 | dpkg | network protocol analyzer formerly known as ethereal - http://wireshark.org |
| 17:49.31 | cantoma | hark: so ethereal is dead |
| 17:49.33 | cantoma | :D |
| 17:49.34 | cantoma | ok |
| 17:49.38 | hark | !ethereal |
| 17:49.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ethereal is a network protocol analyzer for Unix. It allows you to examine data from a live network or from a capture file on disk. You can interactively browse the capture data, viewing summary and detail information for each packet. Ethereal has several powerful features, including a rich display filter language and the ability to view the ASCII contents of a TCP connection. http://ethereal.zing.org/, or see tethereal ... |
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| 17:50.09 | jvm_ | Geek`N`Proud, this tab is missing in my setup: http://www.mintprintables.com/print-tips/header-footer.php#winfox |
| 17:50.30 | cantoma | hark: so why is it still mentioned by the apt cache? |
| 17:50.45 | jvm_ | Geek`N`Proud, apparently, it is not ubuntu specific. |
| 17:50.50 | cantoma | hark: should be totally replaced by wireshark then? |
| 17:50.51 | Dllbrt | Next question: How does lenny do at hardware setup? will it give me an unusable 640x480, or let me choose a resolution my monitor can handle? |
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| 17:51.47 | hark | cantoma: for transitional purposes, helping with upgrades etc. will not be there in the next release. |
| 17:51.57 | hark | cantoma: see apt-cache show ethereal |
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| 17:52.28 | cantoma | hark: ok i see! thanks a lot for the help |
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| 17:53.19 | hark | cantoma: the package ethereal is broken too, depends on the wrong version of wireshark |
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| 17:53.29 | hark | !depends ethereal lenny |
| 17:53.38 | cantoma | hark: it request for an early version of wireshark |
| 17:54.22 | ttyS1 | hark: got it, was missing the source repository. thank you |
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| 17:54.44 | hark | cantoma: yeah, guess they forgot to update it when updating wireshark :) |
| 17:54.50 | tony403 | i have no write access on my linux partition when booting. is there a way to fix this? |
| 17:55.38 | cantoma | tony403: are you root? |
| 17:55.43 | cahoot | no error msg? |
| 17:56.21 | pr3d4t0r | :: sigh :: |
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| 17:56.37 | tony403 | it just says x couldn't start. i done a journaling tweak to my fstab as mentioned in a site and i think that's what done it |
| 17:56.51 | tony403 | i try to edit via nano and it won't save it |
| 17:56.57 | gog | what's your fstab |
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| 17:57.18 | gog | you can probably rescue it |
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| 17:57.23 | gog | most likely |
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| 17:57.53 | tony403 | i'm not on that pc, can't tell you |
| 17:58.27 | tony403 | done the tweak involving journal writeback. i can't mount it via ext2ifs in windows either |
| 17:58.28 | cantoma | tony403: can't you post what "mount" displays? |
| 17:58.43 | tony403 | i'm not in that partition, sorry |
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| 18:00.01 | cantoma | tony403: so before you were editing a file on it now you are not on it |
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| 18:00.33 | tony403 | but i just spent a lot of time the past two days getting a good install. i hate to have to reinstall |
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| 18:00.45 | tony403 | yes, i was editing but it didn't save |
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| 18:01.13 | valentin__ | Hi im on Debian 4.0 and disabled root login by adding "PermitRootLogin no" to /etc/ssh/ssh_config and restartet ssh using init.d script .. but root login still works. |
| 18:01.20 | valentin__ | What am i doing wrong? |
| 18:01.25 | tony403 | it said i have no write permission and obviously won't let me write to save it |
| 18:01.39 | \amethyst | valentin__: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 18:01.49 | \amethyst | valentin__: ssh_config is for the client |
| 18:02.04 | valentin__ | ok thx |
| 18:02.32 | \amethyst | I like PermitRootLogin without-password myself |
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| 18:02.54 | valentin__ | :-D |
| 18:02.57 | valentin__ | me too |
| 18:02.58 | \amethyst | though ou can get much the same effect with sudo |
| 18:02.59 | gog | tony403: boot up in a livecd, mount the partition read/write, fix your fstab and fsck it |
| 18:03.41 | gog | or just fsck it first |
| 18:03.42 | tony403 | i guess that may be the best thing. i should've thought about that |
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| 18:04.00 | gog | yeah, fsck first |
| 18:04.15 | dilbert | debian on sparc? |
| 18:04.18 | dilbert | any thoughts? |
| 18:06.04 | furrywolf | sparc? you're fired for not being a team player. </phb> |
| 18:06.15 | dilbert | lol |
| 18:06.46 | dilbert | really though - I have been given 3 sparc servers 2 e3500's and an e5500 |
| 18:07.19 | furrywolf | dunno... my only sparc box apparantly can't run linux. :( |
| 18:07.19 | birrddog | can anyone here recommend a sarge-backports site? I am looking for "new as possible" sparc debian packages compatible with glibc 2.3.2 |
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| 18:07.22 | maligor | better than solaris on sparc clearly! :P |
| 18:07.56 | tourt | tomodachi, buffoon_work: it's so easy!!! It's only need to turn off the RAID: "mdadm --manage --stop /dev/md0" and it solved my problem! |
| 18:08.02 | dilbert | maligor: agreed |
| 18:08.13 | furrywolf | brb, time for wolfy breakfast. |
| 18:08.26 | birrddog | dilbert: I run debian on a sparc - works well with the exception that this particular sparc is not a true sparc so I can't upgrade my libc because it was made especially for this processor :-( |
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| 18:09.08 | dilbert | birddog: what type of machine/hardware? |
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| 18:10.26 | dilbert | birddog: can you get source and compile it? |
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| 18:10.53 | twobitsprite | what exactly is a non "true" sparc? |
| 18:11.03 | birrddog | it is a netgear readynas NV+ |
| 18:11.09 | dilbert | maybe an older non ultrasparc |
| 18:11.45 | twobitsprite | ahh |
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| 18:11.45 | dilbert | oh |
| 18:11.45 | monkey_d_luffy | Shouldn't there be a pygtk package? I apt-cache searched for it... but I don't have any package with that name... I have testing, unstable and experimental repos in my apt sources. |
| 18:11.45 | birrddog | according to the developer it does not have all the sparc features, and they had to write code to emulate features, like soft floating point |
| 18:11.45 | Ljudkort | Hi. I have a server running Debian 5.0, I'm planning on using KVM for virtualization. I use 64-bit. Am I better of using 32-bit virtualized os:es, or 64-bit? |
| 18:11.49 | abrotman | twobitsprite: there was a company that sold after market sparc cpus |
| 18:12.00 | twobitsprite | monkey_d_luffy: python-gtk2 |
| 18:12.13 | dilbert | how's hardware support for the E5500's? |
| 18:12.14 | maligor | birrddog, didn't know they made embedded sparcs |
| 18:12.16 | birrddog | dilbert: I would need to enter the world of system programing do try and build a later libc, it is a very scary prospect |
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| 18:12.27 | dilbert | gotcha |
| 18:12.29 | birrddog | maligor: it is a neat little package |
| 18:12.36 | birrddog | just with this one caveat |
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| 18:13.04 | birrddog | only problem is netgear have moved towards the intel platform so they dont have much interest in upgrading this particular platform |
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| 18:13.46 | maligor | what? atoms? |
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| 18:14.06 | peleg | Hello there. I am fixing a new lenny on a laptop for a friend. Currently my problem is that his user is "not in the sudoers list", and I don't know the admin's password. what can I do? |
| 18:14.32 | twobitsprite | sure... for a "friend" :P |
| 18:14.41 | maligor | peleg, that's trivial |
| 18:14.51 | twobitsprite | you can boot a livecd |
| 18:14.57 | maligor | yeah, or the rescue mode |
| 18:14.58 | Ljudkort | 64 bit Host running KVM, better off with 32-bit Guests, or 64-bits? |
| 18:15.05 | twobitsprite | ohh yeah, that too |
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| 18:15.25 | twobitsprite | KVM? |
| 18:15.30 | monkey_d_luffy | twobitsprite: mmh... I already have it installed. I was unsure if it was it since an amarok script complained about it... so it's a problem with that. Thanks! |
| 18:15.50 | dilbert | I have a D1000 with a12 drives, but Debian doesn't recognize the drives |
| 18:15.51 | peleg | maligor: wait, before that; it's a new installation. Should the person that installed it know the password? I can ask him then. |
| 18:16.01 | maligor | ofcourse |
| 18:16.03 | Ljudkort | twobitsprite, yes, KVM :) |
| 18:16.13 | twobitsprite | peleg: I would nope so |
| 18:16.21 | maligor | unless he's forgotten it :P |
| 18:16.23 | dilbert | during install |
| 18:16.27 | peleg | ok, thanks. He only gave me his user password. |
| 18:17.02 | peleg | ok, I have found it :) I just guessed well. |
| 18:17.16 | peleg | so how can I add his user to the sudoers list now? |
| 18:17.22 | twobitsprite | /etc/sudoers |
| 18:17.27 | twobitsprite | man sudoers |
| 18:17.35 | peleg | thanks :) |
| 18:17.38 | twobitsprite | np |
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| 18:18.40 | twobitsprite | Ljudkort: is KVM faster than qemu? |
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| 18:19.47 | damjan | twobitsprite: much more |
| 18:20.56 | Ljudkort | twobitsprite, I have been told that it is, yes. |
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| 18:21.16 | mib_zgvrvj | hellp |
| 18:21.18 | mib_zgvrvj | hello |
| 18:21.34 | mib_zgvrvj | I have a problem with the flash plugin, in iceweasel |
| 18:21.54 | ajavid | thats fantastic |
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| 18:22.29 | mib_zgvrvj | I don't think so |
| 18:22.33 | ajavid | mib_zgvrvj, you wanna tell us the problem or not? |
| 18:22.53 | ajavid | we can't really magically know |
| 18:22.53 | mib_zgvrvj | wow, how much hostility |
| 18:23.03 | mib_zgvrvj | well here it goes mr nice guy |
| 18:23.26 | mib_zgvrvj | I have iceweasel with flashplugin 9.0, have had it for a long time |
| 18:23.44 | mib_zgvrvj | then one day I tried to install flash plugin 10 |
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| 18:23.48 | mib_zgvrvj | the tar gz |
| 18:24.03 | mib_zgvrvj | so now no flash movie is seen |
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| 18:24.14 | mib_zgvrvj | and about:plugins gives me 9.0 |
| 18:24.17 | tomi | hi |
| 18:24.19 | mib_zgvrvj | so? |
| 18:24.34 | tomi | how to set sound mute on start up? |
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| 18:25.00 | damjan | mib_zgvrvj: Firefox searches several placec for plugins, so it seems on one of those places you have the old plugin |
| 18:25.28 | damjan | tomi: startup of what? |
| 18:25.35 | mib_zgvrvj | I think the file of the plugin is named in a specific way |
| 18:25.37 | tomi | system startup |
| 18:25.41 | mib_zgvrvj | do yo remember it? |
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| 18:26.20 | damjan | tomi: I guess if you save the muted state with "alsactl store" it will be restored in that state on bootup |
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| 18:26.34 | WorldBFree | is there a way to put a 6gb file on a vfat partition? |
| 18:26.39 | damjan | mib_zgvrvj: libflashplayer.so |
| 18:26.45 | damjan | WorldBFree: no |
| 18:26.56 | damjan | WorldBFree: you need to split the file |
| 18:27.07 | mib_zgvrvj | yea |
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| 18:27.15 | WorldBFree | well its an iso file im trying to run with a virtual drive |
| 18:27.16 | tomi | i don`t have alsactl |
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| 18:27.23 | mib_zgvrvj | I did a locate libflashplayer.so and it only found 1 file |
| 18:27.27 | WorldBFree | so i dont think that works |
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| 18:28.12 | WorldBFree | mib_zgvrvj, did you do updatedb? |
| 18:28.30 | damjan | tomi: then install it :) |
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| 18:28.56 | damjan | mib_zgvrvj: locate is not very reliable if you don't index your whole file system(s) |
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| 18:29.29 | tomi | damjan but i use pulseaudio |
| 18:29.35 | mib_zgvrvj | shia |
| 18:29.46 | mib_zgvrvj | did the locate updatedb |
| 18:30.07 | mib_zgvrvj | I once tried to install the deb package that comes for ubunty |
| 18:30.09 | mib_zgvrvj | ubuntu |
| 18:30.11 | damjan | tomi: pulseaudio still uses alsa .. though, I don't know if starting pulse changes the volumes |
| 18:30.22 | mib_zgvrvj | until then, the 9.0 kept working |
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| 18:30.54 | mib_zgvrvj | then installed the 10 tar gz and kaboom |
| 18:30.54 | tomi | ok , i will try |
| 18:30.54 | damjan | I just extract the one .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 18:30.54 | smacnay | Hi, I need to run java for some oo database things. Which Java is best to install in Debian for functionality with things like OpenOffice? |
| 18:31.02 | damjan | no need for packages or "installers" |
| 18:31.30 | tomi | to use alsatcl i need install alsa_"what" |
| 18:31.31 | tomi | ?? |
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| 18:31.42 | mib_zgvrvj | cool |
| 18:31.47 | Dllbrt | Are you guys aware that the glibc developers seem to think that tarballs are obsolete and access should be by cvs only? |
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| 18:31.51 | mib_zgvrvj | yesterday I deleted the file manually |
| 18:31.52 | damjan | alsa-utils I guess |
| 18:31.58 | mib_zgvrvj | then restarted iceweasel |
| 18:32.07 | mib_zgvrvj | and it kept saying that 9.0 was there |
| 18:32.14 | damjan | Dllbrt: that's old :) |
| 18:32.28 | damjan | mib_zgvrvj: it means you have 9.0 somewhere else |
| 18:32.29 | Dllbrt | ok, it was news to me |
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| 18:33.27 | damjan | mib_zgvrvj: you should be able to find it with "cat /proc/22331/maps | grep flash" |
| 18:33.45 | damjan | where 22331 is the pid of the firefox-bin (or iceweasel-bin) program |
| 18:34.02 | damjan | you need to have a flash applet running though |
| 18:37.05 | maligor | Dllbrt, cvs? really? |
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| 18:37.33 | Dllbrt | that's what they say, maligor |
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| 18:37.44 | maligor | Dllbrt, yes but cvs? |
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| 18:37.52 | maligor | cvs is dreadful |
| 18:38.04 | Dllbrt | yes. cvs is an old source manager, I've heard |
| 18:38.05 | tomi | alsactl stotre dont work |
| 18:38.12 | maligor | there's a ton of much better options than cvs |
| 18:38.27 | maligor | like mercurial, git, bzr |
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| 18:38.35 | mib_zgvrvj | svn is newer and very similar |
| 18:38.38 | smacnay | can the open java do all the sun java can do? |
| 18:38.44 | Dllbrt | but if you don't make tarballs and wrap up some code into a version, how do you know what the version is? |
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| 18:39.04 | mib_zgvrvj | cvs is a centralized repository |
| 18:39.10 | maligor | mib_zgvrvj, it wouldn't be that great for a large project like glibc |
| 18:39.22 | mib_zgvrvj | there are distributed ones, like darcs |
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| 18:39.48 | mib_zgvrvj | maligor: why wouldn't it be great? |
| 18:40.10 | maligor | because it's centralized |
| 18:40.16 | mib_zgvrvj | oh |
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| 18:40.25 | mib_zgvrvj | well then darcs could do |
| 18:40.40 | maligor | I think git, mercurial and bzr are more popular than darcs |
| 18:40.48 | mib_zgvrvj | anyway, I've worked in very big projects with centralized and it's manageable |
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| 18:43.33 | DCEmu_user01 | Come visit my forum where you can watch the newest movies online for FREE: http://movieparadise.informe.com/ |
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| 18:45.27 | valentin__ | How do i create a 100gig file and use it as a loop device for dm-crypt? |
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| 18:47.03 | gog | that's not a good idea |
| 18:47.09 | gog | dm-crypt wants real volumes |
| 18:47.18 | mib_zgvrvj | what's dm-crypt |
| 18:47.32 | valentin__ | what about cryptoloop gog? |
| 18:47.41 | gog | cryptoloop can use files |
| 18:48.03 | gog | just dd a big empty file, format it for cloop |
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| 18:48.08 | valentin__ | then i will use cryptoloop because i cant create partitons on the server |
| 18:48.09 | gog | cryptoloop, not compressed loop |
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| 18:48.36 | gog | besides, cryptoloop might be a better choice because dm-crypt has some vulnerabilities |
| 18:48.44 | gog | I think, somebody told me that once |
| 18:49.04 | valentin__ | wikipedia is telling me the other way :-) |
| 18:49.08 | gog | hm |
| 18:49.11 | gog | wikipedia would |
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| 18:49.53 | valentin__ | would that work "dd if=/dev/null of=/crypt.img |
| 18:49.56 | valentin__ | " |
| 18:49.59 | valentin__ | ? |
| 18:50.25 | maligor | what you read from null? |
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| 18:50.36 | maligor | errr. what would you read from null? |
| 18:50.41 | tomi | how to set volume on console? |
| 18:50.45 | gog | read from zero |
| 18:50.45 | maligor | there's a reason for the name of the device |
| 18:50.47 | valentin__ | yeah . . to create an empty file |
| 18:50.53 | stew | valentin__: that would create an empty (0 byte) file. it would do the same as "touch /crypt.img" |
| 18:50.55 | gog | /dev/zero |
| 18:50.56 | gog | not null |
| 18:51.05 | valentin__ | ok |
| 18:51.16 | valentin__ | how can i tell it to create an 100gig size file? |
| 18:51.25 | maligor | size= |
| 18:51.27 | maligor | err.. count= |
| 18:51.29 | gog | dd if=/dev/zero bs=1G count=100 |
| 18:51.33 | stew | valentin__: changing that to /dev/zero would create a named /crypt.img and keep writing zeros to the file until you run out of disk space |
| 18:51.45 | valentin__ | ok |
| 18:51.47 | gog | I think it can do block sizes specified in units |
| 18:51.47 | stew | valentin__: unless you used bs and count, yes |
| 18:51.48 | valentin__ | thx gog |
| 18:52.16 | gog | I don't know, I haven't used Linux in a long time and I'm just getting back into it |
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| 18:52.20 | maligor | you can observe the wonderful world of dd from 'man dd' :P |
| 18:52.26 | gog | man is your friend |
| 18:52.47 | valentin__ | yes i will rtfman |
| 18:53.03 | nareshov | lol |
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| 18:54.04 | tomi | How do i set volume level on console?? |
| 18:54.28 | valentin__ | whats volume level? |
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| 18:54.48 | mib_zgvrvj | volume |
| 18:54.50 | mib_zgvrvj | sound |
| 18:54.50 | stew | tomi: alsamixer for an ncurses application, amixer for a command line application |
| 18:55.29 | valentin__ | ok :-) |
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| 18:56.04 | Rioting_Pacifist | how can i move a partition with an unrecognised filesystem, i jsut want to move the whole thing so many sectors in a direction (new area and old area do overlap so it would have to be an end 1st copy) |
| 18:56.05 | tomi | ok |
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| 18:59.21 | tomi | my debian hung when i restart system last line i saw is Restarting system |
| 18:59.30 | tomi | any idea? |
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| 19:01.14 | Jemt | tomi: Any errors in the system log ? |
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| 19:01.19 | gog | tomi, I see that, too, it's nothing |
| 19:01.36 | gog | unless it actually hung |
| 19:01.44 | gog | and didn't restart at all, in which case disregard my statement |
| 19:01.53 | tomi | in which log? |
| 19:02.48 | mib_zgvrvj | sometimes my debian hangs completely on start |
| 19:03.04 | mib_zgvrvj | the screen goes black |
| 19:03.20 | mib_zgvrvj | I see all the starting lines |
| 19:03.31 | tomi | hm but sometimes all is ok while resttart |
| 19:03.32 | mib_zgvrvj | and then when the time to start x comes, it just hangs |
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| 19:09.09 | Nardul | What user does Samba run under if i haven't configured it= |
| 19:09.10 | Nardul | ? |
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| 19:10.00 | tralala | Nardul, check in /etc/init.d/samba |
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| 19:10.46 | ajavid | enouf, ping |
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| 19:12.01 | ajavid | mib_zgvrvj, start the debian system using recovery mode (single user mode), login as root, and disable any gdm/kdm/xdm stuff |
| 19:12.06 | ajavid | mib_zgvrvj, /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 19:12.36 | Nardul | tralala, Ah, ofcurse, sorry. But thanks :) |
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| 19:12.39 | ajavid | mib_zgvrvj, then pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/x11/xorg.conf |
| 19:12.51 | ajavid | mib_zgvrvj, what is your video graphics card? |
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| 19:16.58 | ska | Is is still possible to find old sarge install iso's? I could not find them on website. |
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| 19:18.22 | scum | Hi there. How to show files permission in the command line? Something like LS just with more info? |
| 19:18.32 | adb | ska: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/archive/ |
| 19:18.40 | acemi_ | ls -alh |
| 19:18.41 | tralala | scum, ls -l (man ls) |
| 19:19.33 | scum | thanks, did not find it on the manpage at first sight |
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| 19:20.11 | ska | adb: thanks! Will net-installs still work, or should i get the full-size? |
| 19:20.56 | adb | sure net-installs works |
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| 19:21.32 | ska | adb: I wasn't sure if sarge was going to go away soon or now. |
| 19:21.36 | ska | s/now/not. |
| 19:21.43 | ajavid | sarge has gone away |
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| 19:21.53 | ajavid | its not even oldstable anymore |
| 19:21.59 | kibibyte | hi ppl |
| 19:22.07 | ajavid | kibi |
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| 19:23.53 | mib_zgvrvj | I have debian 4.0 r1 |
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| 19:23.57 | mib_zgvrvj | should I update? |
| 19:24.04 | muddd | often |
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| 19:25.11 | gog | debian testing imo |
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| 19:26.23 | abrotman | mib_zgvrvj: you should be up to r7 .. have you been installing the security updates? |
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| 19:27.43 | mib_zgvrvj | yea I update everytime I can |
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| 19:27.46 | mib_zgvrvj | apt-get update |
| 19:27.53 | mib_zgvrvj | and then apt-get upgrade |
| 19:27.59 | mib_zgvrvj | I love that about linux |
| 19:28.08 | mib_zgvrvj | I install once and forget about it |
| 19:28.23 | mib_zgvrvj | in windows you have to keep installing again all the time |
| 19:28.26 | gog | Inah |
| 19:28.28 | gog | not true |
| 19:28.35 | gog | I've had the same XP install for years |
| 19:28.42 | tom760 | The default debian X server config doesn't work on my monitor. It just shows up blank. I think it's trying to display too high a resolution. Is there an easy way to force a specific resolution? My xorg.conf file doesn't list any explicit modes. I'm hoping I don't have to manually enter low level display parameters. |
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| 19:28.45 | mib_zgvrvj | lucky bastard |
| 19:28.49 | gog | it's not luck |
| 19:28.53 | muddd | me too you just have to know how to keep it clean |
| 19:28.59 | gog | ^ ^^^^ |
| 19:29.14 | gog | ccleaner is good |
| 19:29.15 | mib_zgvrvj | haven't been using windows in a long time |
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| 19:29.18 | gog | but that's OT |
| 19:29.24 | mib_zgvrvj | home = debian |
| 19:29.28 | mib_zgvrvj | work = ubuntu |
| 19:29.32 | muddd | i dont use cleaners but yeah |
| 19:29.32 | gog | ugh |
| 19:29.40 | gog | I didn't before |
| 19:29.41 | muddd | ubuntu at work heh |
| 19:29.55 | gog | ccleaner is nice, Priiform makes good stuff |
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| 19:30.20 | gog | defraggler is probably the best |
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| 19:31.08 | callahad | Is there any way to reset the values in /proc/stat? Would a reboot do this? |
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| 19:34.05 | beardy | callahad: Why do you want or feel the need to? But yes. They will be reset at a restart of the kernel, at a reboot. |
| 19:34.34 | callahad | beardy: Because we have a interger overflow issue, and I'm not allowed to fix it. |
| 19:35.19 | beardy | callahad: Sounds like something one would want to fix if one knew how. Ok. |
| 19:36.33 | callahad | beardy: We're using a package of sysstat that's over a decade old. It's a known bug that's been fixed for close to nine years. I'm not allowed to upgrade the package, and my superiors aren't willing to try to suggest a package upgrade on my behalf. God knows why they think rebooting our entire production environment is less invasive. |
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| 19:38.37 | tdn | I have some files with filenames in some strange encoding. Is there a program that can "guess" which encoding it is? I want to convmv them to utf8. |
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| 19:39.01 | beardy | callahad: A ten year old Debian installation? |
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| 19:39.32 | callahad | beardy: It's actually SuSE, but it's a general enough linux question, and ##Linux was kind of quiet. Debian's my distro of choice. |
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| 19:40.01 | abrotman | there is a #suse |
| 19:40.12 | callahad | abrotman: They weren't being too helpful either :( |
| 19:40.36 | abrotman | so let's just go to some unrelated channel ... |
| 19:41.16 | megatog615 | is linux-headers-2.6.28-1-all-amd64 not in the sid repo or something? |
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| 19:41.29 | abrotman | megatog615: packages.debian.org .. look |
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| 19:42.06 | megatog615 | well is there some place where i can find info about the state of 2.6.28 in debian? |
| 19:42.12 | callahad | abrotman: Related in that the resolution would be uniform across all distros. I did try in the more topical channels, however. |
| 19:42.38 | Caelum | when I start gnome, it says gnome settings daemon failed to start, but I see it in my process list |
| 19:43.35 | abrotman | callahad: i'll go with 'yes' .. AFAIR .. /proc/ is not static .. |
| 19:43.38 | azeem | Caelum: maybe that's why |
| 19:43.49 | azeem | Caelum: try to kill it and start gnome again, maybe |
| 19:43.50 | Caelum | azeem: I mean as a child of gnome-session |
| 19:44.05 | Caelum | azeem: this happens always, including after reboot |
| 19:44.06 | abrotman | megatog615: look on packages.debian.org .. it's entirely possible it's not there |
| 19:44.34 | abrotman | megatog615: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-headers-2.6.28 .. looks like you need to aptitude update |
| 19:44.39 | abrotman | or get a new mirror |
| 19:44.49 | callahad | abrotman: Thanks, some of the numbers I was seeing in newer servers seemed a bit funny, and I don't have a VM to experiment with. I appreciate the help. |
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| 19:49.48 | tomi | ?? |
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| 19:51.31 | brutus | Help! 'lspci' doesn't show my Nvidia graphics card... |
| 19:51.56 | abrotman | it's ISA! |
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| 19:59.22 | brutus | what should I enter for the video card bus identifier in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 19:59.29 | abrotman | you don't |
| 19:59.41 | stew | brutus: you are running etch aka oldstable? |
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| 20:00.18 | brutus | stew, I'm running ubuntu but there's no reply on #ubuntu.... |
| 20:00.28 | stew | brutus: debian doesn't even ask this question |
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| 20:00.49 | stew | brutus: but we can't help you with ubuntu. perhaps try a ubuntu mailing list or a ubuntu web forum |
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| 20:01.44 | callahad | Or try Debian... |
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| 20:02.17 | callahad | is bad at open source evangelism |
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| 20:04.27 | DB42 | can i make a APT respotiory site which will actually re-direct to another site ? |
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| 20:06.35 | stew | !dbugs 79002 |
| 20:06.39 | dpkg | #79002:W[apt] [methods/http] http method should support HTTP redirects (); Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:03:05 UTC [178854 479350] |
| 20:06.47 | stew | i guess not |
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| 20:07.03 | andybond13 | anyone, I'm having a problem where my login screen shows text, instead of the usual bar loading graphic, why? |
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| 20:07.34 | Gnu_Raiz | did you change xorg drivers? |
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| 20:07.52 | andybond13 | perhaps, unknowingly if so |
| 20:07.57 | andybond13 | how would I check |
| 20:08.01 | Gnu_Raiz | Or forget to load the frame buffer? |
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| 20:08.46 | Gnu_Raiz | If you changed your login manager such as kdm, or gdm or xdm then this would be a concern. |
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| 20:09.07 | DB42 | can i make a APT respotiory site which will actually re-direct to another site ? |
| 20:09.34 | andybond13 | i have just installed debian, so I don't think i made changes |
| 20:09.40 | stew | DB42: yes, but looking at bug #79002, I don't think apt would follow the redirect |
| 20:10.07 | DB42 | ahh... : |
| 20:10.21 | DB42 | so basically my best bet |
| 20:10.25 | DB42 | it so make a DNS entry for the repository |
| 20:10.27 | DB42 | and change it as i need |
| 20:10.29 | DB42 | ? |
| 20:11.13 | neonoe_ | ciao |
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| 20:12.00 | andybond13 | anyone, I'm having a problem where my pre-login loading screen shows text, instead of the usual bar loading graphic, why? |
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| 20:16.19 | Mark21 | hello, i did add an ip with: ifconfig eth0:35 add address 89.248.170.35 netmask 255.255.254.0 up, but now i cannot use this ip |
| 20:16.31 | Mark21 | what can be the reason or where should i look for a solution? |
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| 20:17.03 | vonsp | is there any way to know which debian branch is installed except /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 20:17.21 | aixenv | hey guys |
| 20:17.38 | vonsp | because it have same number for lenny and squeeze and it is not good |
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| 20:19.41 | DB42 | apt: you an apt expert ? :) |
| 20:19.58 | gangsterlicious | i think "X-_-Girl" is a bot. everytime i join here it sends me a msg |
| 20:20.31 | Mark21 | gangsterlicious: i did report it to freenode staff (it seems to be some kind of spam/abuse) |
| 20:20.53 | gangsterlicious | Mark21: thanks |
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| 20:21.40 | stew | gangsterlicious: k-lined, thanks for reporting it |
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| 20:22.14 | haxi | Do anyone knows if there is a way to convert DviX 3 to XviD? Thanks |
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| 20:23.10 | beardy | haxi: Several I'm sure. Using mencoder (/msg dpkg dmm) is one. |
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| 20:24.27 | haxi | yeah but the man is somewhat.. hard to understand ^^ |
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| 20:24.40 | beardy | haxi: Use one of the many frontends. |
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| 20:26.32 | simonrvn | gangsterlicious: usual procedure is to do !ops thebotsname on-join spam |
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| 20:26.54 | beardy | haxi: I'd suggest searching for "mencoder frontend" or "mencoder gui" and then checking if what you find is in Debian, if not, check the next. Or search using apt-cache search or aptitude search. |
| 20:27.08 | ces200 | hi, how can i setup google talk on debian lenny ? |
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| 20:27.41 | simonrvn | ces200: use pidgin instead |
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| 20:28.14 | simonrvn | google talk is a glorified XMPP service |
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| 20:28.41 | ces200 | gtalk not here google debian packages |
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| 20:29.17 | Legate | I'm following http://debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en in order to install Debian from a USB memory stick. However, when I try syslinux, I get an error message saying "syslinux: only 512-byte sectors are supported". What can I do? |
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| 20:30.42 | simonrvn | ces200: install pidgin; aptitude install pidgin |
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| 20:30.57 | simonrvn | installing wine for just one app is overkill |
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| 20:31.55 | simonrvn | Legate: reformat your stick to have proper sector sizes |
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| 20:32.17 | beardy | Legate: First thought to me is to format your memory stick to use 512-byte sectors then. |
| 20:32.20 | Legate | simonrvn: Is there an option in cfdisk? |
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| 20:32.35 | beardy | Legate: gparted is nice |
| 20:32.41 | ces200 | pidgin is save my chat in gmail account |
| 20:32.43 | simonrvn | no. cfdisk doesn't format |
| 20:32.45 | ces200 | ? |
| 20:33.14 | simonrvn | ces200: that's your gmail settings, not dependent on client. |
| 20:33.44 | ces200 | simonrvn, ok thank u |
| 20:33.50 | ces200 | i understand |
| 20:33.52 | Legate | simonrvn, beardy: The problem is, gparted shows just 256 MB of memory, but I have 1 GB. |
| 20:34.12 | simonrvn | lemme guess, it's got 1 or 2k sectors |
| 20:34.32 | Legate | No idea. How can I find out? |
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| 20:34.57 | simonrvn | stare at it until it tells you :P |
| 20:35.06 | beardy | simonrvn is right, and neither does gparted, then. But one can use different sector sizes on different partitions.. can't one.. |
| 20:35.16 | simonrvn | IIRC yes |
| 20:35.30 | Legate | Oh good, unfortunately I planned to use the new installation today. ;) |
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| 20:35.40 | Legate | So, is there anything I can do? |
| 20:35.43 | valdyn | thats seriously confused terminology |
| 20:35.43 | simonrvn | could be wrong, "i don't fuck with that usually" |
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| 20:35.46 | CentHOGG | Hi, i'm having a problem install. I was dropped to the busybox prompt during startup, but I assembled my RAID properly. Is it possible to restart/continue the bootup process from that initramfs prompt? thx |
| 20:35.57 | CentHOGG | my RAID isn't assembling at boot |
| 20:36.29 | valdyn | CentHOGG: you need to regenerate the initrd, did you do that? |
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| 20:37.09 | CentHOGG | hi again, yeah I've done that on another install but it didn't solve my "mdadm: no devices found in conf" error |
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| 20:37.18 | simonrvn | i thought it was whole disk dependent. but if you can set a different sector size per partition, that'd be wild. |
| 20:37.19 | CentHOGG | on startup |
| 20:37.35 | valdyn | simonrvn: thats confused terminology |
| 20:37.37 | beardy | Legate: In gparted, on magnetic (IDE) drives anyway.. you see the entire disk, and each partition.. you see only one partition filling the entire device? |
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| 20:37.44 | valdyn | simonrvn: no one can change hardware sector size |
| 20:37.53 | simonrvn | valdyn: you said that already. mind explaining? |
| 20:37.55 | valdyn | simonrvn: every fs can set its block size |
| 20:38.03 | beardy | valdyn: It is. But what to use to format the device then? |
| 20:38.12 | CentHOGG | valdyn: went in w/Rescue Boot, reconfig mdadm, regenerate initramfs img, rebooted |
| 20:38.18 | valdyn | simonrvn: disks ship with 512 bytes sized sectors, thats hardware, you cant change it |
| 20:38.22 | simonrvn | yes, i know block size is changeable. |
| 20:38.45 | Legate | Hm, well, I have a "little" problem here. I just tried to format it with gparted, and I kind of succeed, but now when I try to start gparted (either from menu or console), it crashes before I even see something. |
| 20:38.53 | Legate | succeeded* |
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| 20:39.01 | valdyn | simonrvn: now filesystems can do whatever they want, though i havent seen one allowing 511 by sized blocks yet |
| 20:39.49 | simonrvn | not to change the subject, but debhelper just upped the limit to 1000 (!) |
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| 20:40.00 | esteel | any idea when "linux-kbuild-2.6.28" will be available in unstable? i can't install the 2.6.28 kernel headers because of that missing dependency |
| 20:40.26 | valdyn | CentHOGG: you can run anything from that busybox prompt, but getting a complete boot is tedious and not necessary |
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| 20:40.32 | beardy | Legate: Is it a cheap noname stick? Is it possible that it's broken? |
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| 20:40.44 | simonrvn | valdyn: i don't think i was confused TBH, and i really did think you could *also* change sector size, as well as block size. |
| 20:40.46 | valdyn | CentHOGG: just start the raid, mount whatever, use chroot, start /install whatever |
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| 20:40.58 | Legate | It worked before I formatted it. Actually, it is a mp3 player, is that a problem, beardy? |
| 20:41.09 | valdyn | simonrvn: sectors is something physical in some literature |
| 20:41.18 | valdyn | simonrvn: ..which cant be changed |
| 20:41.20 | simonrvn | yes, that's my understanding also |
| 20:41.30 | valdyn | simonrvn: now people also use it for software block sizes, thats confusing |
| 20:41.38 | CentHOGG | valdyn: ok I've started the RAID, lemme check |
| 20:42.25 | valdyn | but fdisk is the worst, it uses different block sizes, depending on using export mode or not |
| 20:42.28 | beardy | Legate: Shouldn't be, if it does plain.. USB memory stick storage.. what brand? It doesn't have some weird storage, only accessible by itself, then? |
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| 20:42.35 | valdyn | *expert* mode |
| 20:42.45 | simonrvn | valdyn: TMK you could change it by zeroing out the device completely, and setting some stuff (i don't recall what) to force it into say 1KB sectors. maybe what i read was using the confused terminology. |
| 20:42.47 | Legate | beardy: Brand is maxfield. |
| 20:42.59 | valdyn | simonrvn: low level format? |
| 20:43.07 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:43.11 | valdyn | simonrvn: with very old disks maybe |
| 20:43.12 | simonrvn | (IIRC) |
| 20:43.35 | simonrvn | uses old stuff, heh |
| 20:43.45 | valdyn | more than a decade old |
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| 20:44.11 | simonrvn | i have some still-running drives from mid-90s yes |
| 20:44.11 | beardy | Legate: So, gparted dislikes it.. look at it with cfdisk then, what happens? |
| 20:45.00 | xxiao | need create a good text banner for /etc/issue, don't like figlet as i need a solid "image", what's the right program to generate it? |
| 20:45.00 | valdyn | fucked ms-dos, now everyone talks about formatting when hes not doing anything like formatting |
| 20:45.14 | valdyn | Legate: ^^ |
| 20:45.16 | Legate | beardy: Correct overall size. 63.75 primary Linux partition, 983.79 MB free space. |
| 20:45.18 | beardy | valdyn: Is USB flash memory sticks also "always" using a sector size of 512? |
| 20:45.34 | valdyn | beardy: thats even weirder |
| 20:45.44 | simonrvn | valdyn: thanks for that discussion, was interesting |
| 20:46.02 | Legate | valdyn: I somehow formatted it as msdos with gparted, then it kept crashing, mounting it is not possible, too. |
| 20:46.06 | valdyn | beardy: computer might see it as 512 blocks sized, i dont actually know |
| 20:46.13 | valdyn | beardy: but internally its certainly not |
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| 20:47.13 | ajavid | what is a sector? |
| 20:47.21 | ajavid | oh |
| 20:48.01 | valdyn | ajavid: sector is a fraction of a circle defined by its angle |
| 20:48.09 | valdyn | ajavid: err, fraction of a disk = |
| 20:48.13 | ajavid | yes I am aware :) |
| 20:48.16 | xxiao | hate figlet's empty effect, can i make a solid large font from it? |
| 20:48.17 | beardy | Legate: Is it mountable and usable? |
| 20:48.21 | ajavid | like a little piece of a pie slice |
| 20:48.32 | ajavid | or a segment from a spider web |
| 20:48.36 | ajavid | kinda sorta |
| 20:48.42 | simonrvn | valdyn: heh, that's an arc ;). |
| 20:48.53 | Legate | beardy: No. "Unable to mount location", "Can't mount file". |
| 20:48.53 | valdyn | alright |
| 20:49.03 | simonrvn | but yeh you're right |
| 20:49.04 | ajavid | simonrvn, arc? |
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| 20:49.43 | beardy | Legate: mount file? Are you really trying to mount it on a directory..? |
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| 20:50.18 | Legate | I double-clicked it in Nautilus. I can try in bash. |
| 20:50.32 | simonrvn | ajavid: maths term |
| 20:50.47 | valdyn | beardy: flash storage has huge block size internally, which is why performance is sometimes by far not as good as it seems |
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| 20:51.27 | ajavid | simonrvn, oh then I'm aware |
| 20:51.31 | Legate | beardy: Hm, I thought "mount /dev/sdb" would work, but it does not. How do I do it? |
| 20:51.31 | beardy | valdyn: I see. Interesting. |
| 20:51.54 | simonrvn | where are you mounting it to? |
| 20:52.10 | foetus | i have installed a new selfcompiled links, and mc shows *.html only with less..i have configured the global suffix file and deleted the ~/.mc folder..what could be wrong? |
| 20:52.32 | foetus | links is running like rocket and stays in path.. |
| 20:52.55 | Legate | simonrvn: No idea. I never had to mount a drive in bash. How do I do it? |
| 20:53.16 | beardy | Legate: 'man mount', 'mkdir /mnt/temp' to create an empty directory to mount it on, 'mount /dev/sdb /mnt/temp' |
| 20:53.28 | foetus | i have the ABS-guide open.. |
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| 20:53.58 | foetus | no problem in the commandline.. |
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| 20:54.16 | foetus | curious |
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| 20:55.02 | beardy | Legate: Don't forget to 'umount /mnt/temp' when you are done, before unplugging it. |
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| 20:55.18 | Legate | beady: Seems I need to specify a file system type. However, the option "-t msdos" does not work. |
| 20:55.20 | Legate | ok |
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| 20:56.34 | beardy | Legate: Hmm, you don't have a filesystem on it yet. You only partitioned it, (I think). |
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| 20:57.11 | beardy | Legate: And you created a partition for an ext2/3 filesystem, in gparted. |
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| 20:57.49 | Legate | beardy: Yes, I think you're right. But neither ext2 nor ext3 work. |
| 20:57.51 | beardy | Legate: Specifying a filesystem is mostly not required. |
| 20:57.51 | SerajewelKS | god i love the linux filesystem layout |
| 20:58.09 | SerajewelKS | i can take a minimal backup pretty quickly |
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| 20:58.20 | beardy | Legate: No, specifying it does not create it. You create a filesystem with mkfs. |
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| 20:58.39 | Legate | beardy: I tried without the -t option, but I got "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 20:58.49 | SerajewelKS | beardy: specifying the filesystem type in gparted most certainly does format it, if gparted knows how to do so |
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| 20:59.00 | SerajewelKS | beardy: if you do so while creating a new partition, that is |
| 20:59.02 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Read up. It fucked up. |
| 20:59.16 | beardy | So I don't think it did, even if it tried to. |
| 20:59.23 | SerajewelKS | beardy: ah, ok |
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| 20:59.42 | SerajewelKS | "< beardy> Legate: No, specifying it does not create it. You create a filesystem with mkfs." sounded like you meant in every case |
| 20:59.47 | beardy | But mkfs.ext3 should be available everywhere, shouldn't it? |
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| 21:00.02 | Legate | Well, cfdisk shows FS type "Linux". Is that ext2 or ext3. Or something else? |
| 21:00.03 | ajavid | it should |
| 21:00.09 | beardy | SerajewelKS: No, I meant, specifying it when mounting with mount, does not create it. |
| 21:00.16 | SerajewelKS | Legate: that information is irrelevant |
| 21:00.26 | Legate | SerajewelKS: ok |
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| 21:00.33 | beardy | Legate: It is something else, it is just the partition type. Some bits in the.. partition table. |
| 21:00.36 | SerajewelKS | Legate: it's stored in the partition table. linux does not use that info when determining the filesystem type. |
| 21:00.49 | SerajewelKS | beardy: ah, right |
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| 21:01.26 | SerajewelKS | Legate: linux heuristically identifies the filesystem type if you don't tell it which one to use. if it doesn't automatically determine the type, usually it means that there is no recognizable filesystem on the partition. |
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| 21:02.31 | beardy | Legate: So, the guide/howto you are reading, does it tell what filesystem you should use? |
| 21:02.42 | Legate | Yes, FAT16. |
| 21:03.12 | Rioting_Pacifist | ive turned off my swap but lvm is saying its still in use how do i tell it its wrong |
| 21:03.32 | SerajewelKS | Legate: that will be mkfs.vfat -F 16 |
| 21:03.49 | Legate | Do I have to specify which device I mean? |
| 21:03.53 | SerajewelKS | of course |
| 21:04.12 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: either that, or that kernel doesn't support it ;) (WRT the fs heuristics) |
| 21:04.27 | beardy | Legate: Then that is what you should partition, and create a filesystem as. |
| 21:04.29 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: right, that too |
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| 21:04.55 | Legate | SerajewelKS: mkfs.vfat's manpage redirects to mkdosfs. Can I use that one? |
| 21:05.07 | SerajewelKS | formats /dev/null using mkfs.ntfs |
| 21:05.10 | SerajewelKS | Legate: it doesn't matter |
| 21:05.15 | SerajewelKS | Legate: one is a symlink to the other, i think |
| 21:05.19 | beardy | Legate: I don't know if the partition type matters.. but I'd remove the partition on it, and create a new one specifying the type as FAT16, then create it using mkfs.msdos (in dosfstools) |
| 21:05.33 | khaije1_ | hi all |
| 21:05.38 | SerajewelKS | beardy: you can modify the type using fdisk |
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| 21:05.51 | Legate | Now I'm confused. Should I first create a partition or use mkdosfs? Or is it the same? |
| 21:06.00 | khaije1_ | if i remove one of the pv from a vg will it move the lv's to the remaining pv, or do i need to do that manually? |
| 21:06.02 | SerajewelKS | Legate: you already created the partition |
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| 21:06.10 | SerajewelKS | Legate: which you have to do first. the partition contains the filesystem. |
| 21:06.36 | beardy | SerajewelKS: But the partition type is Linux, what I wondered was, does it matter when creating a FAT16 fs on it? |
| 21:06.37 | SerajewelKS | Legate: you can't put up walls to a house without a foundation. same sort of thing. |
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| 21:06.58 | beardy | I think it does, so. |
| 21:07.00 | SerajewelKS | beardy: no, it doesn't |
| 21:07.09 | SerajewelKS | beardy: linux does not care about filesystem type identifiers |
| 21:07.18 | SerajewelKS | beardy: windows might. either way it can be fixed later easily. |
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| 21:07.22 | beardy | SerajewelKS: He will boot from it, and so on. |
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| 21:07.43 | beardy | Nothing wrong in doing things properly. |
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| 21:08.05 | SerajewelKS | beardy: nothing improper about setting the partition type id later. you don't have to recreate it completely. |
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| 21:08.22 | beardy | Legate: Either edit the partition type if possible, or recreate a partition with the correct partition type. After that, create the filesystem on the partition. |
| 21:08.23 | lxsameer | how can i encrypt a folder with gpg ? |
| 21:09.03 | SerajewelKS | lxsameer: you can't transparently encrypt it |
| 21:09.05 | beardy | Using fdisk to do that, or recreate using cfdisk, I'd do the later, to each their own. |
| 21:09.13 | SerajewelKS | lxsameer: you can tar or zip it, then encrypt the archive though |
| 21:09.18 | beardy | (Though cfdisk surely can too then.) |
| 21:09.29 | Legate | Ok, this is confusing. I want the whole stick to be one big FAT16 partition. Right now, 90 % does not even have a type, the other one is weird. How can I just wipe out everything and get FAT16 on it? |
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| 21:09.46 | lxsameer | SerajewelKS: can i do some thing like find --exec gpg? |
| 21:10.06 | SerajewelKS | lxsameer: that will encrypt every file individually |
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| 21:10.15 | SerajewelKS | lxsameer: yes, you could do something like that if you really wanted that result |
| 21:10.16 | simonrvn | Legate: don't you want to install debian on it? the fs won't matter right now. |
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| 21:10.44 | beardy | Legate: Use cfdisk. Remove the partitions on the stick. Create another one, using all the space on it. |
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| 21:10.46 | Legate | simonrvn: I want to install Debian on my machine with this stick. |
| 21:10.57 | simonrvn | ah ok, i see now. |
| 21:11.02 | beardy | simonrvn: He wants to put the installer on it and boot from it. |
| 21:11.23 | simonrvn | so he'll have to format it some linux fs, no? |
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| 21:11.40 | beardy | No, the howto he is following said fat16. |
| 21:11.45 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: supposedly he is using a guide |
| 21:11.47 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 21:11.54 | simonrvn | yeh, the installation guide |
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| 21:12.07 | beardy | Looked like it yes. |
| 21:12.12 | simonrvn | goes to read that part |
| 21:12.29 | SerajewelKS | loves in-place partition tweaking |
| 21:12.36 | SerajewelKS | resize, copy, copy again... |
| 21:12.37 | wrench- | uname -m shows i686, but if i "file" /bin/bash it says ELF 64-bit LSB executable |
| 21:12.46 | SerajewelKS | make lvm, make vg, copy again... |
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| 21:13.38 | Legate | beardy: Do I need to specify the new partition as "bootable"? |
| 21:13.47 | beardy | Legate: Yes. |
| 21:13.53 | Legate | ok |
| 21:13.56 | beardy | Legate: And FAT16 as type. |
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| 21:16.00 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 21:18.14 | Legate | Hm, I got where I were before. "syslinux: only 512-byte sectors are supported". Any ideas? |
| 21:19.21 | beardy | You created and tested the FAT16 filesystem? |
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| 21:19.55 | Legate | I suppose I created one. How can I test it? |
| 21:20.03 | beardy | Well.. I'm sure you wouldn't have gotten that error otherwise or would have been able to put syslinux on it otherwise.. |
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| 21:20.15 | ajavid | uhm |
| 21:20.18 | ajavid | whats the latest stable? |
| 21:20.22 | ajavid | scratches head |
| 21:20.27 | simonrvn | lenny.... |
| 21:20.29 | ajavid | oh nm |
| 21:20.32 | beardy | Legate: mount it, put a file on it, but what exactly did you do after creating the partition? |
| 21:20.32 | pablo | hi, in case of a new upstream release, should i report a bug? |
| 21:20.39 | simonrvn | *you* should know that. |
| 21:20.42 | ajavid | yeh |
| 21:20.50 | ajavid | I dunno what happened... |
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| 21:21.28 | simonrvn | pablo: sure if you want. it's pretty common practise. |
| 21:21.49 | Legate | beardy: I tried "syslinux /dev/sdb1". And I'm not able to mount it though partitioning with cfdisk and mkfs seemed to be clean. |
| 21:22.16 | beardy | Legate: Ok.. you need to listen and start to pay a bit more attention when people are helping you.. |
| 21:22.54 | Legate | Sorry, my fault. But it is a bit difficult to follow the advice of three people simultaneously. |
| 21:22.59 | beardy | Legate: Hmm.. so you did create a filesystem before trying to put syslinux on it? Then scratch my previous sentense. |
| 21:23.22 | simonrvn | is staying out of it ;) |
| 21:24.14 | Legate | Well, cfdisk with "bootable" and "FAT16". I did that. Then I did "mkfs -t msdos /dev/sdb1", which ran successfully (no terminal output except program version). |
| 21:24.27 | beardy | Legate: Perhaps syslinux doesn't like either your stick in particular, or there's another problem, but. Please mount the stick again, and put a file on it to test it. |
| 21:25.33 | Legate | Works. :) |
| 21:25.43 | beardy | I haven't booted a usb stick myself, or installed from one, so I don't know all about it. But lets eliminate some possible causes. Ok. |
| 21:26.12 | TokenGoth | if I have both lilo and grub installed.... how can I tell which one booted my system? |
| 21:26.27 | maligor | you can't after the fact |
| 21:26.37 | CentHOGG | mdadm + SCSI = fail |
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| 21:27.17 | g0rd0n | hello there! |
| 21:27.23 | nihilstar | CentHOGG, yep, always getting the error mdadm : No devices listed in conf file were found. |
| 21:27.37 | beardy | TokenGoth: You can only have one installed in your MBR. I suppose you could have booted using one, and then have run grub on the partition after that. But look at the monitor, if the machine has one? |
| 21:27.37 | TokenGoth | maligor: no way to examine the boot sector or anything? |
| 21:27.49 | CentHOGG | nihilstar: yeah lots of people on the net say the same |
| 21:27.51 | TokenGoth | beardy: remote box |
| 21:27.56 | g0rd0n | i have a problem! trying to upgrade etch to lenny following http://debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html however when issuing apt-get install apt i get a dependency error: |
| 21:28.04 | g0rd0n | apt: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9 is to be installed |
| 21:28.05 | apt | that's too long, g0rd0n |
| 21:28.12 | nihilstar | i cant believe it took debian so long for another stable release and yet it fails :-( |
| 21:28.12 | maligor | TokenGoth, well, I suppose, but I'm not sure how you'd determine the signature |
| 21:28.29 | beardy | TokenGoth: One answer is, the one you ran last and installed itself in the MBR is the one you use.. but why do you have both? Choose one and use that. |
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| 21:29.00 | nihilstar | CentHOGG, i tried upgrading the initramfs with no luck whatsoever |
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| 21:29.04 | maligor | grub is handier of the two, and grub2 more so |
| 21:29.06 | nihilstar | and im stuck :-/ |
| 21:29.07 | CentHOGG | nihilstar: lots of people finding that out |
| 21:29.12 | nihilstar | any suggestions guys? |
| 21:29.52 | TokenGoth | I'm not sure why both are installed... but I'm in going through the lenny upgrade guide and spotted the note about initramfs and when I checked I appear to have both installed... I think the box was initially imaged with a lilo install... but obviously debian kernel packages update both configs.... |
| 21:30.02 | simonrvn | g0rd0n: use aptitude |
| 21:30.05 | nihilstar | is mdadm broken? or? my knowledge is limited.. maybe we should submit the bug to debian dev |
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| 21:30.35 | TokenGoth | would obviously install the superflous one, but as its a remote box I'd rather stick with whichever one is currently booting it and thus definitely working! :) |
| 21:30.41 | TokenGoth | *uninstall |
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| 21:31.15 | g0rd0n | simonrvn: nice point... |
| 21:31.35 | simonrvn | g0rd0n: better dep handling |
| 21:31.38 | beardy | TokenGoth: Yes.. not sure what would be best.. but if one can see it, copy the first 512 bytes of the disk (be careful) and look at it. |
| 21:32.02 | g0rd0n | simonrvn: it says that libc6 is BROKEN and i have a bad feeling about this |
| 21:32.11 | SerajewelKS | is there any reason why dd is used to take disk images instead of, say, cat? |
| 21:32.21 | SerajewelKS | is it purely for performance? |
| 21:32.23 | beardy | TokenGoth: Then you know which one got run last. Not sure really.. or look at the kernel package's scripts.. which it runs last. |
| 21:32.35 | TokenGoth | beardy: ta! a quick dd and strings shows it as lilo :) |
| 21:32.45 | beardy | TokenGoth: Ok :) |
| 21:32.53 | TokenGoth | *phew* |
| 21:32.57 | simonrvn | don't worry... just make sure you set aptitude to auto-upgrade newer stuff - under options; open the menu, using ctrl-t or F10 |
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| 21:33.30 | beardy | Legate: Can you give me the url to the section of the guide you were reading? |
| 21:33.32 | g0rd0n | simonrvn: i'm using command-line |
| 21:33.41 | nihilstar | simonrvn, any idea dude? i cant get my software raid to work with debian 5.. and im sooooo disappointed. keep getting a mdadm error and google doesnt know much either |
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| 21:34.23 | beardy | Legate: Or.. does it say anything about the version of syslinux, or any special things you need to do? Not sure how to move on really. |
| 21:34.55 | Legate | beardy: http://debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en . I tried the so-called "flexible way". Now I'm trying the so-called "easy way". Problem is, I can't execute "sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" , it gives "bash: /dev/sdb: Permission denied" . How is that possible? |
| 21:34.58 | nihilstar | same error as CentHOGG :-) |
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| 21:36.00 | beardy | Legate: Not sure how. But use su instead to see.. |
| 21:36.11 | CentHOGG | mdadm anyone? |
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| 21:36.33 | nihilstar | any mdadm experts in the house? |
| 21:36.35 | Legate | Same error, beardy. I mean, I am executing this as root, so how can the system deny me anything? |
| 21:36.54 | Lagbolt | define expert :-p |
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| 21:37.48 | beardy | Legate: You did unmount it, right? |
| 21:38.10 | SerajewelKS | Legate: one possible example is that you are using a medium that's write-protected |
| 21:38.15 | Legate | Yes, it is not mounted. |
| 21:38.21 | SerajewelKS | Legate: not saying that's the case, but it's one example where root can't do something |
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| 21:38.57 | Legate | How can I check? |
| 21:38.59 | SerajewelKS | Legate: oh, duh |
| 21:39.12 | SerajewelKS | Legate: the > redirection is being processed by your shell, not the root shell |
| 21:39.27 | Legate | Even though I use sudo? |
| 21:39.32 | SerajewelKS | Legate: it's running 'zcat boot.img.gz' as root, and trying to open /dev/sdb as you |
| 21:39.46 | g0rd0n | libc6: Conflicts: tzdata-etch which is a virtual package. |
| 21:39.47 | g0rd0n | wtf |
| 21:39.48 | SerajewelKS | Legate: right. it's seeing this: (sudo zcat boot.img.gz) > /dev/sdb |
| 21:39.51 | beardy | Yes, good catch SerajewelKS. |
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| 21:39.57 | SerajewelKS | Legate: do 'sudo sh' |
| 21:40.05 | maligor | sudo -s |
| 21:40.05 | SerajewelKS | Legate: that will give you a root shell. then run it without sudo. |
| 21:40.06 | nihilstar | anyone tried software raid with lenny? im having some troubles with this setup.. can anyone help out, please? |
| 21:40.16 | SerajewelKS | beardy: been bitten by that problem so many times... |
| 21:40.18 | beardy | But he did say he tried su, like I said so.. |
| 21:40.30 | beardy | Does it still use the parent shell, then, in that way? |
| 21:40.31 | SerajewelKS | beardy: people confuse su and sudo all the time |
| 21:40.33 | stew | Legate: or zcat boot.img.gz | sudo dd of=/dev/sdb |
| 21:40.40 | SerajewelKS | beardy: you mean su -c ? |
| 21:40.45 | maligor | 'sudo sh' might cause unintended concequences if you really have sh installed |
| 21:40.56 | SerajewelKS | maligor: usually sh is a symlink to e.g. bash |
| 21:41.02 | stew | maligor: what do mean by "really have sh installed"? |
| 21:41.02 | beardy | SerajewelKS: I meant for him to use 'su', alone. |
| 21:41.19 | maligor | stew, something ancient and original :P |
| 21:41.30 | SerajewelKS | beardy: ah |
| 21:41.35 | maligor | you might also have sh pointing to say... busybox |
| 21:41.38 | SerajewelKS | beardy: he may have thought you meant sudo |
| 21:41.53 | beardy | SerajewelKS: No, that is what he used :) |
| 21:42.00 | maligor | anyway, sudo -s opens a shel |
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| 21:42.28 | Legate | I did "sudo -s" and now it is executing the command. Seems to work, thanks. |
| 21:42.40 | beardy | Legate: stew's suggestion to use dd is better anyway, when doing a thing like that |
| 21:43.25 | SerajewelKS | beardy: maybe he is fail then :) |
| 21:44.03 | Legate | Then you should edit the Debian Installer Guide, stew. ;) |
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| 21:44.18 | stew | Legate: why? |
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| 21:44.29 | stew | Legate: where? |
| 21:44.57 | Legate | http://debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en says "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX " |
| 21:45.08 | beardy | Because I said that using dd would be better when writing the image to the device, IMO. The IG says.. ^^^ that.. |
| 21:46.54 | mischief6 | uh..was debian ' |
| 21:47.00 | mischief6 | was locate removed from debian? |
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| 21:47.37 | \amethyst | mischief6: no, but it changed packages |
| 21:48.01 | mischief6 | \amethyst, going from etch->lenny seemed to remove it |
| 21:48.07 | \amethyst | mischief6: it got moved from 'findutils' to 'locate' |
| 21:48.08 | beardy | mischief6: There are several ones nowadays. Maybe one isn't installed by default anymore because of it, it had some problems, circumventing read permissions and so on. |
| 21:48.17 | \amethyst | mischief6: findutils is required, locate is optional |
| 21:48.23 | \amethyst | mischief6: so that's why it went missing on you |
| 21:48.34 | mischief6 | ah, okay, i'll get `locate` then |
| 21:48.55 | nihilstar | anyone tried software raid with lenny? im having some troubles with this setup.. can anyone help out, please? |
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| 21:50.05 | nima0102 | hi |
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| 21:51.01 | nima0102 | when I run command iptunnel add tunX mode gre remote 207.241.237.37 local 169.229.255.134, the error "ioctl: No such device" return |
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| 21:51.16 | nima0102 | may anyone guide me for problem ??? |
| 21:51.46 | Legate | Well, I hit another problem. I created a new directory using "mkdir /mnt/temp2". I then tried "mount /dev/sdb /mnt/temp2", but I got "mount: /dev/sdb already mounted or /mnt/temp2 busy". As this is a new directory, it can't be busy. But when I try to unmount ("umount /dev/sdb"), the root terminal is telling me "umount: /dev/sdb: not mounted". How is that possible? |
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| 21:51.55 | simonrvn | nihilstar: you're not being very clear in your question. /msg dpkg ask; /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 21:53.20 | nima0102 | when I run command iptunnel add tunX mode gre remote 207.241.237.37 local 169.229.255.134, the error "ioctl: No such device" return |
| 21:53.54 | simonrvn | loaded those modules? |
| 21:54.02 | nihilstar | simonrvn, you're right, but i asked like 5 different questions |
| 21:54.05 | azeem | Legate: umount takes the mount point as argument, not the device |
| 21:54.28 | simonrvn | nihilstar: one at a time, then. :) |
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| 21:54.45 | nima0102 | may anyone guide me for problem ??? |
| 21:54.52 | stew | umount takes either device or mountpoint |
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| 21:56.42 | nihilstar | simonrvn, im getting an error after finishing the install (using lenny and software raid1, configured with partman tool) after reboot i get the error: mdadm : No devices listed in conf file were found. and it drops me to initramfs |
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| 21:57.16 | simonrvn | no idea. checked the BTS? |
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| 21:57.45 | simonrvn | that tells me that somehow a) the conf is wrong, or b) mdadm is acting screwy |
| 21:57.55 | nihilstar | simonrvn, no, but i will now |
| 21:58.27 | gianeo | hi, after installing debian amd64 netinstall lenny 5.0 x doesnt work, i saved the outpout here: http://pastebin.com/f689bb2f2 |
| 21:58.36 | nihilstar | a) possibly but i tired in different modes and still the same result.. and if i install ubuntu-server or centos, same way.. it works |
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| 21:58.56 | nihilstar | b) i think so, but my knowledge is limited and dont know how to fix it :-/ |
| 21:58.56 | simonrvn | how odd |
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| 21:59.24 | nihilstar | gonna check the BTS |
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| 22:02.18 | gianeo | >> after installing debian amd64 netinstall lenny 5.0 x doesnt work, i saved the outpout here: http://pastebin.com/f689bb2f2 |
| 22:05.40 | abrotman | gianeo: how did you insatll X ? |
| 22:05.55 | abrotman | did you specify a busid ? |
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| 22:07.14 | gianeo | abrotman well i used the netinstaller |
| 22:07.22 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps does anybody know of a good solid how to that actually works well, on how to setup wake on lan in debian?? |
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| 22:07.57 | gianeo | abrotman im not really expert sorry if im not able to give clear answers :-/ |
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| 22:12.36 | iqson716 | is away: I'm not here right now! |
| 22:12.51 | nihilstar | yes you are, i can see you |
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| 22:13.32 | tziku | Hello, my server start in X mode ( graphic mode) how can i set to start only in text mode ? |
| 22:13.41 | azeem | tziku: remove gdm |
| 22:13.50 | tziku | apt-get remove gdm ? |
| 22:13.53 | bbelt16ag | you can change the run mode i believe |
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| 22:14.20 | bbelt16ag | do run level 3 |
| 22:14.29 | simonrvn | why? |
| 22:14.31 | nihilstar | debian uses level 2 for both, right? |
| 22:14.52 | simonrvn | debian doesn't do redhat runlevels.... |
| 22:15.14 | bbelt16ag | whatever.. |
| 22:15.15 | adb | bbelt16ag: http://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan |
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| 22:15.28 | bbelt16ag | does it really work.... |
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| 22:16.07 | adb | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/122 |
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| 22:19.55 | ewet | hi, i see a bug-report from 2004 concerning sorting the kmenu alphabetically - how sad is this? it is still not possible to sort it with kde 3.5?! (i don't mean to manually drag the items!)... man what a mess :-/ |
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| 22:19.55 | ewet | (bug-report is up-stream) |
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| 22:22.39 | simonrvn | upstream has to fix it - that's what that means. it also means that upstream hasn't made that a priority. |
| 22:22.51 | simonrvn | if it's 5 (!) years old... |
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| 22:23.54 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
| 22:24.37 | _pepo_ | I want to use Debian in my server with a processor Xeon of 64bits... Which architecture do I have to use? |
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| 22:25.44 | ribasushi | initramfs-tools keep complaining: Warning: Busybox is required for successful boot! |
| 22:25.52 | ribasushi | yet everything boots like a champ |
| 22:25.57 | ribasushi | what's this about? |
| 22:26.06 | ewet | simonrvn: i am aware of that. the only problem is that debian lenny still uses kde 3.5 and they will not change that anymore... |
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| 22:26.49 | Moodier | ± |
| 22:27.04 | ewet | i was just mentioning it in hopes someone knows some magic... |
| 22:27.33 | simonrvn | ewet: yes, and? patch it? there's probably a patch around... |
| 22:27.48 | simonrvn | if not write one, or live with it. |
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| 22:28.32 | Mood | ewet: your debian install came with KDE? did you choose it from the installer? otherwise, i don't think the base install comes with an DE |
| 22:29.07 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.12 | bbelt16ag | MT |
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| 22:30.03 | ewet | Mood: maybe i don't understand your point. |
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| 22:30.34 | Mood | <ewet> simonrvn: i am aware of that. the only problem is that debian lenny still uses kde 3.5 and they will not change that anymore... |
| 22:30.48 | Mood | i'm just trying to understand your comment |
| 22:31.04 | simonrvn | "desktop" task |
| 22:31.12 | simonrvn | man tasksel |
| 22:31.31 | ewet | Mood: i meant _if_ you use kde on debian it will be 3.5 still and not 4.x |
| 22:31.37 | ewet | on lenny |
| 22:31.54 | Mood | ewet: ah, ok got it. you mean 3.5 is in the depositories |
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| 22:32.09 | nihilstar | btw anyone tried clonezilla, is it good? |
| 22:32.13 | Mood | repositories*, rather |
| 22:32.29 | ewet | and the kde project will not change 3.5 stuff that starved the last 5 years in the bugtracker anymore... |
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| 22:33.08 | simonrvn | it's also still languishing in *their* bug tracker... heh |
| 22:33.12 | simonrvn | i bet |
| 22:34.23 | ewet | simonrvn: yes it it. that's what i mean, maybe i just wasn't clear about that |
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| 22:36.41 | marvil07 | hi all, what software do you recommend to store phone nombers? |
| 22:36.55 | gianeo_ | hi |
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| 22:37.27 | gianeo_ | ive an intel core 2 duo, i had problems with debian netinstall i386 -the screen kept getting frozen- shall i use amd64 maybe? |
| 22:37.51 | azeem | what was written on the screen? |
| 22:38.01 | gianeo_ | nothing it just froze |
| 22:38.06 | azeem | when? |
| 22:38.11 | gianeo_ | today |
| 22:38.15 | tecneeq | ;) |
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| 22:38.21 | gianeo_ | after i logged in |
| 22:38.21 | azeem | what did you do when it froze? |
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| 22:38.57 | ewet | marvil07: a text file would still be a basic but good idea ;-) (no offense intended) |
| 22:38.59 | gianeo_ | azeem nothing, it just kept frozing and i had to reboot |
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| 22:39.07 | gianeo_ | mouse/keyboard were stuck |
| 22:39.26 | simonrvn | "freezing" |
| 22:39.41 | ahmed-araby | hi all where's that file called "local" that's executed at the end of startup process ? |
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| 22:39.48 | marvil07 | ewet, :D it's a way |
| 22:39.52 | gianeo_ | yea whatever, my english sucks sorry =/ |
| 22:40.25 | tecneeq | gianeo_: and this happened when you tried to install? |
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| 22:40.39 | pickcoder | ahmed-araby: /etc/rc.local |
| 22:40.47 | gianeo_ | tecneeq yea and after |
| 22:40.57 | tecneeq | gianeo_: i had such freezes, but i could blame it on hardware drivers, like the early nvidia stuff |
| 22:41.01 | gianeo_ | when i started X it got stuck after a whhile |
| 22:41.20 | ahmed-araby | pickcoder: but there's other things in it , shouldn't it be empty |
| 22:41.22 | gianeo_ | tecneeq with windows i didnt have those problems :x |
| 22:41.23 | tecneeq | gianeo_: strange. and you are sure there is nothing wrong with your hardware? |
| 22:41.32 | tecneeq | gianeo_: i see. |
| 22:41.44 | pickcoder | ahmed-araby: by default there's a comment block in it |
| 22:41.45 | gianeo_ | tecneeq yea i guess so.. |
| 22:41.46 | mischief6 | anyone know why i would get strange lines on the screen after logging in, and × restarts? :s |
| 22:41.58 | gianeo_ | tecneeq windows goes fine |
| 22:42.08 | tecneeq | gianeo_: well, i'm afraid i don't have a solution or even a hint. i guess your hardware is one of the few cases |
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| 22:42.40 | pickcoder | gianeo_: without examining log files you're not going to get anywhere |
| 22:42.40 | tecneeq | gianeo_: you could try to update the firmware/bios to get the latest and greatest |
| 22:42.43 | enouf | ahmed-araby: /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local points to /etc/init.d/rc.local which references/sources /etc/rc.local |
| 22:42.57 | tecneeq | gianeo_: another trick is to disable acpi and/or apic |
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| 22:43.13 | ahmed-araby | enouf: ok thanks I think I got it :) |
| 22:43.15 | gianeo_ | i see |
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| 22:44.09 | mischief6 | for some reason when i log in to gdm, xfce tries to load but strange colored lines appear, and then × seems to restart and gdm comes back up |
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| 22:46.01 | tecneeq | mischief6: do you have a choice in gdm? did you try to run twm (a very basic window manager)? did you read ~/.xsession_errors? |
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| 22:47.25 | mischief6 | tecneeq, there is a line in .xsession_errors "x-session-manager: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0" |
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| 22:47.35 | mischief6 | i can try changing my choice in gdm |
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| 22:49.21 | mischief6 | tecneeq, twm works okay it seems |
| 22:49.25 | tecneeq | mischief6: you can even start xfce from within twm, to test it |
| 22:49.27 | enouf | mishok13: try update-alternatives --config startxfce4 or something? |
| 22:49.50 | enouf | mishok13: try update-alternatives --config x-session-manager ? |
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| 22:50.41 | tecneeq | mischief6: or open a terminal and type startxfce4 from within twm, maybe you get some output |
| 22:50.51 | bbelt16ag | thanks for the info peeps |
| 22:51.06 | tecneeq | bbelt16ag: no problem, just don't forget to pay up |
| 22:51.30 | tecneeq | bbelt16ag: this is no charity here ;) |
| 22:53.20 | mischief6 | tecneeq, it seems to run OK when i call it in twm, but its a little funky |
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| 22:54.08 | tecneeq | mischief6: is startxfce4 the command used to start a complete session? i just guessed because enouf mentioned it |
| 22:54.48 | mischief6 | i am not sure. let me see if i can find out what is being used to call xfce |
| 22:55.12 | enouf | which startxfce4 ? |
| 22:55.54 | tecneeq | enouf: it is there alright, but does it start a complete session? |
| 22:56.22 | mischief6 | tecneeq, yeah it seems to |
| 22:56.27 | enouf | if the other things i mentioned are set - AFAICT |
| 22:56.45 | tecneeq | mischief6: anyways, i would simply make myself a $HOME/.xsession and put this inside: exec startxfce4 |
| 22:57.08 | tecneeq | mischief6: that wouldn't solve the original problem, but it should do the trick for now ;) |
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| 22:57.29 | mischief6 | doing update-alternatives: There is only 1 program which provides x-session-manager (/usr/bin/xfce4-session). Nothing to configure. |
| 22:57.32 | mischief6 | :s |
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| 22:58.32 | enouf | mishok13: try update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser |
| 22:58.53 | enouf | not that any of that matters |
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| 22:59.06 | tecneeq | it does not? |
| 22:59.19 | tecneeq | why mention it then? |
| 22:59.22 | enouf | (tab-completion ftw) |
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| 23:00.13 | enouf | i have no idea what the real issue is ; that's why .. you don't like it, ignore it, or ignore me - otherwise please stfu - thanks |
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| 23:01.05 | enouf | mishok13: bad tab sorry - i meant mischief6 |
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| 23:01.28 | mischief6 | enouf, when i log in to gdm with xfce as my session, X crashes and i am brough to gdm again. |
| 23:01.46 | enouf | mischief6: have you run gdmsetup? |
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| 23:01.58 | mischief6 | no. let me try that i guess |
| 23:02.14 | mischief6 | enouf, i just recently upgraded from etch to lenny, which i assume broke it |
| 23:02.15 | enouf | mischief6: also, some file in /usr/share/gdm/* might matter |
| 23:02.42 | enouf | mischief6: i don't use any of all those apps you mention, so i'm not sure |
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| 23:05.57 | mischief6 | bah >:[ this sucks |
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| 23:06.41 | tecneeq | enouf: if you write stuff that doesn't matter and you know that is the case, it probably is you who should stfu. otherwise you just add to the noise. |
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| 23:09.23 | enouf | tecneeq: you are now a proud member of my bozo box - enjoy your stay |
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| 23:10.01 | mmlj4 | once I've installed memtest86+, how do I get it to run? I know I have to reboot, but what do I tell grub, since memtest isn't on the menu? |
| 23:10.47 | LightKnight | mmlj4: did you rey "update-grub"? |
| 23:11.01 | LightKnight | *try |
| 23:11.05 | mmlj4 | nope, lemme |
| 23:11.20 | tecneeq | mmlj4: check memtest86=true in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 23:11.35 | tecneeq | mmlj4: i think you have to uncomment it |
| 23:11.43 | mmlj4 | fair enough |
| 23:11.43 | enouf | mmlj4: any decent livecd, and even the installer has it |
| 23:11.53 | mmlj4 | grumps about how simple lilo was |
| 23:13.06 | mmlj4 | ok, update-grub's got it, thanks |
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| 23:19.43 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 23:19.43 | dpkg | well, qotd34 is < primoturbo> how do I delete linux? < primoturbo> how do I delete debain and get something else < AciD> primoturbo > rm-rf / < primoturbo> Should I try OpenBSD? < asg> primoturbo: hahah |
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| 23:23.52 | Lagaro | anybody have experience with setting up X on old systems? I'm getting "xf86PciVideoInfo not set", and I've no clue whatsoever what it's talking about, heh :) |
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| 23:25.22 | JyZyXEL | damnit i want some process based audio control |
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| 23:25.36 | Lagaro | JyZyXEL: like what? |
| 23:25.55 | JyZyXEL | like being able to set the volume levels for each process using the soundcard |
| 23:25.55 | liable | Lagaro: you get it to boot i take it? |
| 23:26.13 | JyZyXEL | and maybe apply some effects like EQ |
| 23:27.30 | nsadmin | volume would be in the soundcard' |
| 23:27.33 | nsadmin | s mixer |
| 23:28.01 | Lagaro | liable: yep, it's booting fine now |
| 23:28.03 | nsadmin | eq might not be, and so you'd have to get a software eq |
| 23:28.11 | JyZyXEL | im using software mixer |
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| 23:28.34 | nsadmin | which is probably talking to the card's onboard mixer? |
| 23:29.03 | JyZyXEL | well i don't see a reason to talk to the mixer onboard |
| 23:29.13 | JyZyXEL | since the signal is already mixed at the software level |
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| 23:29.57 | JyZyXEL | but that is not what im interested in |
| 23:30.17 | nsadmin | in any case, you'll have to provide eq software |
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| 23:31.03 | dasunsrul | Hello World |
| 23:31.13 | JyZyXEL | does the soundsytem even support stuff like this? |
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| 23:31.37 | themill | KDE4's sound system is explicitly designed to do that. |
| 23:31.47 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/04/10/adjust-volume-of-individual-applications-with-pulseaudio/ |
| 23:32.17 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: package pavucontrol for pulseaudio |
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| 23:32.33 | JyZyXEL | wait soo is Alsa a "sound server" |
| 23:32.43 | JyZyXEL | and pulseaudio another "sound server" |
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| 23:33.08 | JyZyXEL | !sound server |
| 23:33.14 | \amethyst | also contains drivers as well as a software mixer called dmix |
| 23:33.21 | \amethyst | err, alsa |
| 23:33.23 | nsadmin | alsa is a collection of hardware sound chipset drivers |
| 23:33.39 | JyZyXEL | i wanna know the layering |
| 23:33.52 | nsadmin | you'd have to check the docs |
| 23:33.57 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: pulseaudio runs on top of alsa (or on top of OSS) |
| 23:34.08 | JyZyXEL | oh yes thats what i wanted to know |
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| 23:39.12 | JyZyXEL | apt-get install padevchooser paman paprefs pavucontrol pavumeter pulseaudio pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-jack pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-utils |
| 23:39.18 | JyZyXEL | this should get me going :) |
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| 23:54.39 | Sepho | hi everybody |
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| 23:55.19 | Sepho | what type of filesystem do you know its better for data partition? (to install games, data, etc..) I'm thinking in ext4 |
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| 23:55.58 | stew | Sepho: when in doubt, use ext3 |
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| 23:57.36 | simonrvn | you don't need ext4 for games and such. |
| 23:58.21 | g0rd0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.34 | g0rd0n | what does this mean? i got it after rebooting after dist-upgrade |
| 23:59.18 | simonrvn | your date is screwy. fix it then restart ntpd. |
| 23:59.31 | g0rd0n | date is fine actually |
| 23:59.32 | g0rd0n | odd... |