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| 00:00.47 | DiegoMax | hi there |
| 00:01.02 | DiegoMax | i have a question, i have built curl and libcurl from sources, and all that is fine |
| 00:01.26 | DiegoMax | then i want to install some other package and i get some errors about dependencies with curl, which i think are expected |
| 00:01.43 | DiegoMax | the question is, when you build something from sources, is there any way to avoid those dependency problems later ? |
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| 00:01.55 | Guerin | DiegoMax: why are you building instead of using debian packages? |
| 00:02.08 | DiegoMax | because i needed a newer version |
| 00:02.08 | Guerin | and if building, why aren't you building so as to satisfy deps? |
| 00:02.12 | DiegoMax | to build transmission |
| 00:02.32 | DiegoMax | im just new to debian.... |
| 00:02.38 | Guerin | right |
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| 00:02.41 | DiegoMax | and im trying to understand how the whole dependency thing works |
| 00:03.04 | Guerin | judd: versions transmission |
| 00:03.05 | judd | Guerin: transmission -- etch: 0.6.1.dfsg-1 lenny: 1.22-1 sid: 1.34-1 sid: 1.40-5 squeeze: 1.50-1 sid: 1.51-1 |
| 00:03.20 | DiegoMax | the one on the etch repo is really old :( |
| 00:03.32 | Guerin | DiegoMax: why are you using etch if you don't like old software? |
| 00:03.39 | Guerin | use lenny, it's stable now. |
| 00:03.39 | DiegoMax | thats a good question... |
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| 00:04.33 | Guerin | what I'm getting at is that sometimes it's less work to just upgrade the whole shop than to fuck around with one or two custom packages which will cause you nothing but grief later |
| 00:04.44 | Guerin | i know this from bitter experience :) |
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| 00:05.42 | DiegoMax | there was no debian 5 option at the company where i bought the box |
| 00:05.49 | DiegoMax | is it possible to "upgrade" it ? |
| 00:05.58 | Guerin | DiegoMax: of course. If you have root, that is. |
| 00:06.04 | DiegoMax | yah |
| 00:06.08 | DiegoMax | but wont it break ? |
| 00:06.08 | Guerin | DiegoMax: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 00:06.25 | Guerin | DiegoMax: no, it's designed to be upgradeable in perpetuity |
| 00:06.42 | Guerin | my server box started life as woody, it's now lenny |
| 00:07.00 | Guerin | others have been doing the same for much longer than the five or so years that's been going |
| 00:07.33 | tecneeq | i hear debian is even older than time itself |
| 00:07.47 | DiegoMax | ok |
| 00:07.49 | Guerin | tecneeq: older than time and bigger than god |
| 00:07.50 | DiegoMax | i guess i will try this |
| 00:07.51 | tecneeq | they upgraded before the computer was invented ;) |
| 00:07.55 | DiegoMax | can it be done via SSH ? |
| 00:07.58 | tecneeq | Guerin: ;) |
| 00:08.01 | DiegoMax | i mean, its a remote server |
| 00:08.02 | Guerin | DiegoMax: of course! |
| 00:08.11 | Guerin | DiegoMax: how else would anyone ever admin a server? |
| 00:08.19 | DiegoMax | IP KVM ? |
| 00:08.24 | tecneeq | DiegoMax: still, have a backup of your own data |
| 00:08.30 | DiegoMax | i dont have data yet |
| 00:08.32 | DiegoMax | its a new box |
| 00:08.39 | DiegoMax | all my other boxes are centOS |
| 00:08.46 | tecneeq | great |
| 00:08.51 | DiegoMax | i changed to debian because im tired of people telling me how better it is |
| 00:08.54 | Guerin | you think we like to get into cars and drive across the country to do that shit at a terminal in a freezing datacentre, raqther than sitting in the sun with an ice-cold beer? |
| 00:08.56 | DiegoMax | so i decided to give it a try |
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| 00:09.39 | Guerin | DiegoMax: it should be an easy upgrade then - no legacy shit to migrate. So undo whatever you did with curl, then ask dpkg about etch->lenny. read the install/uipgrade guide and go for your life |
| 00:09.51 | tecneeq | DiegoMax: hehe, well, i tell you, netbsd is even better. i go even so far to say that, if it isn't possible with netbsd, it isn't worth doing at all |
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| 00:09.55 | Guerin | just remember: don't log out of your root shell until you know sshd is working again |
| 00:10.01 | tecneeq | DiegoMax: so, switch to netbsd ;) |
| 00:10.03 | DiegoMax | Guerin, i just installed webmin |
| 00:10.08 | DiegoMax | is that a problem ? or should i remove it ? |
| 00:10.09 | Guerin | DiegoMax: uninstall that, too. |
| 00:10.16 | DiegoMax | okay |
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| 00:11.54 | DiegoMax | ok Guerin |
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| 00:16.01 | enyawix | apt have a search function? |
| 00:16.13 | enouf | !grounding |
| 00:16.14 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 00:16.33 | stew | enyawix: yes, many, see man apt-cache |
| 00:16.55 | DiegoMax | what is the difference between safe-upgrade and full-upgrade ? |
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| 00:17.13 | avu | DiegoMax, see the manpage ('man aptitude') |
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| 00:17.41 | DiegoMax | pattern not found for "safe-upgrade" |
| 00:17.46 | DiegoMax | on the man page.... |
| 00:17.54 | enyawix | stew thanks sorry i have not used debian without a gui in many years |
| 00:18.07 | avu | DiegoMax, well, then you're doing it wrong |
| 00:18.31 | DiegoMax | i press "/" to search and then i write what i want to search ? |
| 00:18.34 | DiegoMax | isnt it like that ? |
| 00:18.36 | avu | DiegoMax, the string is in there more than 10 times |
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| 00:20.10 | avu | DiegoMax, are you still using etch perhaps? if so, there is no safe-upgrade.. |
| 00:20.10 | DiegoMax | im using etch yah |
| 00:20.13 | DiegoMax | and trying to upgrade to lenny |
| 00:20.16 | designs703 | How can I set up a secure (https - SSL) connection on my Debian server? |
| 00:20.30 | avu | DiegoMax, well then just follow the release notes |
| 00:20.35 | DiegoMax | ok thanks |
| 00:20.38 | designs703 | I'm googling it but only finding the old OpenSSL flaw in Debian |
| 00:20.42 | avu | DiegoMax, the procedure is explained very well |
| 00:20.59 | avu | designs703, well, what webserver are you using? |
| 00:21.06 | Caelum | can I remove a pv from an lv in lvm? |
| 00:21.14 | designs703 | avu: Apache |
| 00:21.22 | designs703 | avu: + mod_python |
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| 00:21.49 | avu | designs703, googling for 'apache debian ssl' comes up with countless sites that explain how to do it |
| 00:22.06 | designs703 | Oh, thanks. I didn't think to search the server. Assumed it was a networking deal |
| 00:22.07 | avu | designs703, you may want to add the version of debian you're using to the search |
| 00:22.27 | designs703 | I'm just going to the mod_ssl docs. |
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| 00:23.19 | designs703 | ok, see you guys later. thanks for the help |
| 00:23.21 | Pnux | hey, simple question.. whats kernel's version for the stable branch? |
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| 00:23.30 | enouf | .26 |
| 00:23.55 | Pnux | thanks |
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| 00:26.38 | Caelum | or do I have to boot in rescue mode and redo my lvm stuff from there and restore from backup? |
| 00:29.03 | frostschutz | Caelum: it's possible to move data around with lvm so you can remove/migrate disks if that's what you're asking |
| 00:29.15 | Caelum | frostschutz: nice, thank you |
| 00:29.21 | frostschutz | Caelum: most of these use cases are described somewhere in the LVM FAQ |
| 00:30.05 | frostschutz | Caelum: having a backup is always a bonus though, shuffling data around is dangerous no matter what the underlying system is |
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| 00:42.10 | DiegoMax | im getting an error about this line: deb http://security.debian.org/debian updates main |
| 00:42.13 | DiegoMax | what is wrong with it ? |
| 00:42.17 | DiegoMax | i mean, not an error, but a 404 |
| 00:42.26 | abrotman | it's wrong .. which version of debian are you using ? |
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| 00:42.38 | DiegoMax | im setting up the sources.list in order to upgrade to lenny |
| 00:42.47 | DiegoMax | im on etch now |
| 00:43.18 | Guerin | deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main |
| 00:43.22 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free .. edit as needed |
| 00:43.31 | DiegoMax | thanks |
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| 00:43.50 | DiegoMax | i guess i should just use "Main" for an upgrade.... right ? |
| 00:44.12 | Guerin | if all you have in your main sources.list line is main, all you should have in your security line is main |
| 00:44.25 | DiegoMax | i have main and contrib, i see |
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| 00:45.19 | DiegoMax | ok, everyting works now and no errors.... |
| 00:45.22 | DiegoMax | crosses fingers |
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| 00:45.30 | aboyz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.03 | Guerin | aboyz: look into auto-apt. |
| 00:46.12 | aboyz | auto-apt? |
| 00:46.15 | aboyz | is that a free script |
| 00:46.23 | aboyz | thank you i'll search.. |
| 00:46.23 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 00:46.29 | Guerin | audo-apt isn't what I mean |
| 00:46.30 | aboyz | what? |
| 00:46.34 | aboyz | audo-apt? |
| 00:46.37 | aboyz | or auto-apt |
| 00:46.46 | Guerin | hm, what's it called |
| 00:46.50 | Guerin | cron-apt, that's the one |
| 00:46.58 | aboyz | you sure |
| 00:47.01 | aboyz | let me search :) |
| 00:47.23 | aboyz | does tha tonly update packages?? |
| 00:47.26 | aboyz | or can do other stuff also |
| 00:47.47 | DiegoMax | the release notes say that i should upgrade apt and apttitude, but when i try to do that it blames about unmet dependencies... should i just force it to get the dependencies or that is not supposed to happen ? |
| 00:48.20 | Guerin | if you're running stable, it will keep your box updated on schedule. you can also use it to migrate a package list from one box to another. if you install foo on box a, you can send the package list to boxes b, c and d and it will update them on a cronjob |
| 00:48.38 | DiegoMax | release notes says: "This step will automatically upgrade libc6 and locales..." which is not happen so far... |
| 00:49.02 | Guerin | DiegoMax: aptitude should suggest solutions. Usually the first suggestion is pretty good. |
| 00:49.30 | DeSian | any way to fix this error http://paste.pocoo.org/show/106791/ |
| 00:49.31 | DeSian | ? |
| 00:49.47 | DiegoMax | Guerin, all i get is this so far: http://www.pastebin.ca/1354891 |
| 00:50.40 | Guerin | DiegoMax: post full output of aptitude -f install; |
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| 00:51.15 | Guerin | DeSian: cpntrib? |
| 00:51.17 | DiegoMax | Guerin: http://www.pastebin.ca/1354892 |
| 00:51.42 | DeSian | Guerin: oh, :D |
| 00:51.44 | DeSian | thnx |
| 00:52.36 | Guerin | DiegoMax: i think you might need to run aptitude update; |
| 00:52.48 | DiegoMax | i did already :/ |
| 00:52.59 | Guerin | has it upgraded everything? |
| 00:53.00 | DiegoMax | oh |
| 00:53.16 | DiegoMax | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 00:53.17 | DiegoMax | 4D270D06F42584E6 |
| 00:53.17 | DiegoMax | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 00:53.21 | DiegoMax | i dont think that looks good ? |
| 00:53.44 | Guerin | that's fine, it just shows that your upgrade hasn't happened yet. run aptitude dist-upgrade; |
| 00:54.33 | DiegoMax | it says it is going to install a lot of things... including openSSH server (im connected via SSH) |
| 00:54.35 | DiegoMax | should i continue ? |
| 00:54.38 | Guerin | yes |
| 00:54.55 | Guerin | openssh can be removed and reinstalled without interfering with your connection |
| 00:54.59 | DiegoMax | ok then there we go.... |
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| 00:55.05 | DiegoMax | need to get 241 MB |
| 00:55.13 | Guerin | just make sure the daemon is started again before you log out of your root shell |
| 00:55.18 | Guerin | g'luck, I'm off |
| 00:55.25 | DiegoMax | im on a screen anyway, just in case |
| 00:55.30 | DiegoMax | thanks for the help Guerin |
| 00:55.37 | Vorbote | DiegoMax: seearch for the key ID F42584E6 |
| 00:56.24 | DiegoMax | i cant now Vorbote , it is installing |
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| 00:58.51 | Vorbote | DiegoMax: you can add it later to the apt-get keyring (so you have cryptographic hash verification on new packages from that particular repository). |
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| 01:01.00 | DiegoMax | it is asking me to restart some services in order to reconfigure libc6 |
| 01:01.02 | DiegoMax | the list is: spamassassin ssh saslauthd postfix openbsd-inetd dovecot cron atd |
| 01:01.13 | DiegoMax | but since im connected via SSH, i guess i should remove SSH from there ? |
| 01:02.03 | adb | no, go away |
| 01:02.16 | DiegoMax | okay |
| 01:03.28 | mmlj4 | what package installs the kernel source, please? |
| 01:03.34 | Pnux | a friend of mine is having an issue, he claims that he has the 2.6.27-8 kernel (says uname -r), however there are only stable repositories in sources.apt. Is isnt using Debian, but Debian-based one. You think the problem relies on the distro? or something in his config? |
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| 01:04.24 | adb | mmlj4: linux-source-2.6.26 |
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| 01:05.18 | mmlj4 | thanks |
| 01:05.23 | adb | np |
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| 01:06.16 | adb | Pnux: i run 2.6.28 on lenny w/o issues |
| 01:07.24 | mmlj4 | ok, what's this? /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build not found --- I installed linux-source, still the error |
| 01:07.53 | enyawix | apt was painful ended up using dselect |
| 01:08.03 | CaT[t3] | WHAT>@! |
| 01:08.23 | enouf | mmlj4: install -headers- |
| 01:08.25 | CaT[t3] | enywaix: get back to the hellish alternate reality you came from and DO NOT RETURN! |
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| 01:08.39 | nkuttler | enyawix: you should try aptitude |
| 01:08.46 | nkuttler | CaT[t3]: no need to be rude |
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| 01:09.01 | CaT[t3] | nk: insert humour. |
| 01:09.18 | CaT[t3] | any: that said aptitude >>>>>>> dselect. |
| 01:09.23 | CaT[t3] | eny: that said aptitude >>>>>>> dselect. |
| 01:09.27 | enyawix | sorry coming from gentoo having to learn things |
| 01:09.34 | CaT[t3] | :) |
| 01:09.47 | Pnux | adb: oh, i didnt know that. So theres no problem in that. The problem is that hes trying to install some webcam drivers, and they are all blablabla-module-2.6* but nothing from 2.27 |
| 01:09.57 | CaT[t3] | eny: apt-get should be easy enough then. what bit you about it? |
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| 01:11.08 | DiegoMax | i have finished the dist-upgrade process without errors.... |
| 01:11.12 | DiegoMax | what am i supposed to do now ? |
| 01:11.17 | ser | sorry for a stupid question: how many packages are available in lenny? |
| 01:11.23 | ser | how can i count them? :) |
| 01:11.39 | CaT[t3] | diego: run it again, just in case then hold on to your panties and reboot. |
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| 01:12.13 | DiegoMax | heh ok |
| 01:12.35 | Pnux | ser: there are 23,000 in the testing branch, i think there should be around the same in stable |
| 01:13.20 | adb | Pnux: sure for module must reboot on .26 |
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| 01:14.04 | Pnux | adb: is there a way to change the sources.apt to get the .27 module? |
| 01:14.06 | ser | Pnux: thanks! |
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| 01:14.19 | adb | Pnux: no |
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| 01:16.24 | adb | Pnux: or waiting/sooner for .28 |
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| 01:16.48 | Pnux | ser: i just ran `aptitude update` and it said: 'Estado actual: 23419 nuevos [-16].' (Actual status: 23419 new [-16].) which is, i assume, the number of packages |
| 01:17.03 | Pnux | adb: thanks for the help, ill let him know that |
| 01:17.09 | adb | np |
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| 01:19.31 | DiegoMax | well... i get no errors and not anything else to upgrade after aptitude dist-upgrade... so i guess its safe to restart ? |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | FSVO safe |
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| 01:20.37 | adb | DiegoMax: check that new kernel is installed too |
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| 01:21.18 | jpinx | I seem to have got a corrupted vfat filesystem on an sdhc card, some data is ok, but other directories are giving an I/O error. Can I fix them indivdually or do I have to reformat the whole card? |
| 01:21.36 | DiegoMax | adb, how can i check that ? |
| 01:21.46 | adb | ls /boot |
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| 01:21.50 | DiegoMax | sorry again, but this is my first time doing a linux upgrade.... and my first time at debian too .. |
| 01:22.14 | jpinx | DiegoMax: uname -a |
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| 01:22.27 | jpinx | that'll tell you kernel info |
| 01:22.27 | DiegoMax | 2.6.18-6-k7 |
| 01:22.30 | abrotman | jpinx: that won't show the newly (not yet booted) kernel |
| 01:22.35 | DiegoMax | right |
| 01:22.37 | DiegoMax | thats the old kernel |
| 01:22.49 | DiegoMax | i see this on /boot |
| 01:22.50 | DiegoMax | initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 01:22.54 | DiegoMax | is that the latest one ? |
| 01:23.25 | adb | no any vmlinux-2.6.26-1-686 ? |
| 01:24.04 | adb | well, vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 01:24.11 | DiegoMax | yes |
| 01:24.12 | DiegoMax | http://www.pastebin.ca/1354908 |
| 01:24.19 | DiegoMax | thats the whole dir contents |
| 01:24.31 | adb | is their |
| 01:24.39 | gewt | 18? |
| 01:24.47 | DiegoMax | and i assume the boot loader will load the right kernel automatically... right ? |
| 01:25.00 | gewt | if you configure it to. |
| 01:25.06 | gewt | update-grub should fix it. |
| 01:25.15 | DiegoMax | well, since i upgraded, i assume thats done automatically ? |
| 01:25.19 | DiegoMax | how could i check that ? |
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| 01:25.42 | abrotman | look at your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:26.42 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.14 | DiegoMax | well, /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 is the first one on the list |
| 01:27.21 | DiegoMax | that means that it is the default one ? |
| 01:27.45 | Pnux | is the 2.6.18-6 kernel from etch? |
| 01:27.51 | abrotman | DiegoMax: you should be fine |
| 01:27.54 | DiegoMax | ok |
| 01:27.54 | adb | yes , is ok |
| 01:27.57 | DiegoMax | im going to reboot then |
| 01:27.58 | abrotman | Pnux: there is a .18 and a .26 |
| 01:28.08 | enyawix | dpkg -l mysql |
| 01:28.09 | enyawix | No packages found matching mysql. |
| 01:28.09 | dpkg | No packages found matching mysql |
| 01:28.09 | abrotman | Pnux: erm .. .18 and .24 |
| 01:28.11 | enyawix | :( |
| 01:28.23 | abrotman | enyawix: dpkg -l "*mysql*" |
| 01:29.09 | DiegoMax | The system is going down for reboot NOW!... |
| 01:29.13 | DiegoMax | crosses fingers :/ |
| 01:29.28 | Pnux | good luck DiegoMax |
| 01:29.33 | Pnux | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:29.36 | DiegoMax | i have so much bad experiences with linux upgrades :( |
| 01:29.43 | abrotman | !bless DiegoMax |
| 01:29.44 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child DiegoMax, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 01:29.50 | DiegoMax | each and every one CentOS machine that i tried to upgrade failed catastrophically |
| 01:29.55 | DiegoMax | lets see what happens with Debian |
| 01:30.10 | Pnux | in case i want to remove an old kernel from the boot list, how do i do it? |
| 01:30.20 | DiegoMax | lol abrotman |
| 01:30.23 | DiegoMax | thanks ;) |
| 01:30.28 | Pnux | nano /boot/grub/menu.lst as root? |
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| 01:30.32 | abrotman | Pnux: uninstall the kernel |
| 01:30.54 | Pnux | would Synaptic do the trick? |
| 01:31.11 | abrotman | yes, it should |
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| 01:32.11 | DiegoMax | as supposed, its not coming back :) |
| 01:32.17 | DiegoMax | OH NO WAIT |
| 01:32.18 | DiegoMax | its back! |
| 01:32.44 | DiegoMax | yay it worked! |
| 01:32.49 | DiegoMax | cant believe it |
| 01:32.56 | adb | !win DiegoMax |
| 01:32.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, DiegoMax! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:33.02 | DiegoMax | lol |
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| 01:33.18 | Pnux | lol |
| 01:33.21 | DiegoMax | well this is the first reason to start moving all my boxes to debian |
| 01:33.32 | DiegoMax | im a total n00b with it, and the upgrade process worked |
| 01:33.39 | abrotman | the first reason? |
| 01:33.43 | DiegoMax | yah |
| 01:33.53 | Pnux | sigh |
| 01:34.05 | DiegoMax | as in, so far 'til now i had no real reason to prefer debian over centOS |
| 01:34.06 | CaT[t3] | it's a pretty good reason as far as reasons go :) |
| 01:34.08 | DiegoMax | i have one now |
| 01:34.45 | Pnux | sure it is, but deffinetly not the primary :p |
| 01:34.55 | DiegoMax | i will discover the rest with time |
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| 01:36.19 | Pnux | abrotman: thanks, i just removed the old kernel image and updated grub, that worked perfectly. |
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| 01:42.38 | MrDusty | How do I make MySQL listen on the ip and port rather than the socket so I can connect from a remote host ? |
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| 01:47.28 | Caelum | if I dd an .iso to an sdcard, will it boot? |
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| 01:48.10 | path_ | not at all |
| 01:48.17 | Caelum | that's what I thought, thank you |
| 01:48.18 | path_ | :-) |
| 01:51.56 | path_ | you might want to try howto make an usb bootable Caelum |
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| 01:59.31 | Texou | hi :) |
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| 02:03.27 | Texou | hi |
| 02:03.42 | Texou | do you have an idea of the date since Debian integrated reading docx in openoffice? or an url? |
| 02:04.54 | CaT[t3] | check the changelogs |
| 02:05.03 | CaT[t3] | /usr/share/doc/blah.../ |
| 02:05.23 | Texou | CaT[t3]: where are there? |
| 02:05.38 | Texou | are they* |
| 02:05.41 | CaT[t3] | see the path |
| 02:06.00 | Texou | ah yes I understand |
| 02:06.14 | Texou | well good idea I had not thought to do this |
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| 02:07.15 | xoz | what is the factoid for minimal X? |
| 02:07.24 | abrotman | isn't one? aptitude install xorg |
| 02:07.44 | xoz | ty abrotman |
| 02:08.14 | enouf | minimal, heh |
| 02:08.27 | xoz | meaning no dm |
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| 02:08.33 | xoz | just startx |
| 02:08.41 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.50 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.57 | CaT[t3] | used to use x+twm for a fair while :) |
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| 02:09.04 | abrotman | xoz: aptitude install xorg |
| 02:09.13 | xoz | abrotman: got it. |
| 02:09.25 | abrotman | xoz: aptitude install xorg |
| 02:09.28 | abrotman | runs for the hills |
| 02:09.45 | xoz | aptitute install display-manager installs a lot of gnome! haha |
| 02:10.08 | xoz | x-display-manager |
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| 02:10.29 | abrotman | there are others |
| 02:10.33 | CaT[t3] | just start off with a few x things and then install a window manager and you're done. |
| 02:11.11 | xoz | yep |
| 02:11.25 | xoz | the lenny cd1 installer is really minimal |
| 02:11.39 | theholyduck | is <3ing aptsh |
| 02:11.39 | xoz | no screen or even irssi |
| 02:11.40 | CaT[t3] | generally uses the netinstaller :) |
| 02:11.51 | ajavid | hello |
| 02:11.55 | theholyduck | why didnt anyone tell me about aptsh before? |
| 02:12.05 | ajavid | what is aptsh |
| 02:12.12 | theholyduck | ajavid, apt implemented as a shell :P |
| 02:12.20 | theholyduck | tab completion and everything |
| 02:12.30 | theholyduck | regexp, |
| 02:12.30 | ajavid | I See |
| 02:12.33 | CaT[t3] | being a holy duck we figured you already knew |
| 02:12.34 | ajavid | Aptsh is a pseudo-shell for systems with the APT package managing tool. It offers tab completion, and is smart enough to decide whether you're trying to remove or install/ upgrade a package. |
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| 02:13.08 | Texou | nothing in logs |
| 02:13.18 | theholyduck | CaT[t3], i found it by accident since i wanted something that wasnt shitty like aptitude but didnt pull in 5000 deps like synaptic |
| 02:13.21 | xoz | bash_completion takes care of aptsh |
| 02:13.22 | theholyduck | and i found aptsh :D |
| 02:13.36 | Texou | strange because I dont think OOo read docx 2 menths ago on lenny |
| 02:13.48 | abrotman | Texou: supposedly they backported it .. try it |
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| 02:14.21 | Texou | ok |
| 02:14.23 | ajavid | there is also a wajib |
| 02:14.28 | ajavid | wajig* |
| 02:14.37 | Texou | what's this? |
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| 02:14.47 | ajavid | its a tool |
| 02:14.56 | Texou | ah ok |
| 02:15.03 | ajavid | I mean its a apt tool |
| 02:15.13 | ajavid | Texou, apt-cache show wajig |
| 02:15.25 | Texou | ok ?I try |
| 02:15.53 | Texou | hmm interesting |
| 02:16.37 | Texou | thanks |
| 02:17.16 | ajavid | sure |
| 02:17.51 | ajavid | Texou, but you're the wrong person I think |
| 02:17.58 | ajavid | I was talking originally to the holy duck |
| 02:18.16 | Texou | ah :D |
| 02:18.29 | Texou | ajavid: well it was interesjing anyway :) |
| 02:18.42 | CaT[t3] | pluck a feather, sit down and wait your turn :) |
| 02:19.00 | Texou | :DD |
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| 02:19.38 | ajavid | Quack quack! |
| 02:19.44 | ajavid | !quack |
| 02:19.44 | dpkg | quack is, like, a headless gnutella client |
| 02:19.50 | ajavid | no shit.. cool. |
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| 02:25.59 | DiegoMax | whats the way to restart the inetd on debian ? |
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| 02:26.53 | xoz | /etc/init.d/inetd restart ? |
| 02:27.17 | DiegoMax | -bash: /etc/init.d/inetd: No such file or directory |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | openbsd-inetd now |
| 02:27.21 | DiegoMax | thats why i was asking :p |
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| 02:27.23 | Sisk | Just out of curiosity, anyone else ever have their pointer get all distorted for a minute or two at random intervals? |
| 02:28.23 | megatog615 | why isnt there a linux-kbuild-2.6.28 yet? |
| 02:28.35 | megatog615 | trying to install the 2.6.28 headers... |
| 02:28.56 | xoz | such a long time to have used inetd |
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| 02:31.09 | ajavid | !gentoosmite xoz |
| 02:31.09 | dpkg | spends 5 weeks recompiling xoz, and when it's all done, xoz runs 3% slower than previously |
| 02:31.20 | ajavid | doh |
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| 02:37.43 | enouf | meff: build it |
| 02:37.53 | enouf | er megatog615 build it |
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| 02:49.21 | osfd | dpkg: what can possibly takes 5 weeks to compile ? |
| 02:49.23 | dpkg | osfd: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:49.35 | osfd | dpkg: ? |
| 02:49.35 | dpkg | osfd: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:49.46 | caimlas | any of you guys know how to make a null keyboard plug? you know, end jack of a kb rewired in a fashion to allow for the system to boot w/o the kb hanging off the back. |
| 02:49.47 | megatog615 | enouf: huh? |
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| 02:49.51 | megatog615 | how, it doesnt exist |
| 02:50.06 | abrotman | caimlas: fixed your bios ? |
| 02:50.32 | caimlas | abrotman, I'm sorry, what? it's an old POS compaq. there is no "bios fix" |
| 02:51.02 | enouf | megatog615: really? |
| 02:51.03 | abrotman | most BIOSes since the late 90s have had an option to not halt on kb error |
| 02:51.24 | megatog615 | enouf: the package doesnt exist |
| 02:51.35 | adb | megatog615: install linux-source-2.6.28 |
| 02:51.37 | enouf | megatog615: i said build - not find pkg |
| 02:52.48 | Arrowmaster | i have an old pentium1 that will boot without a keyboard, if you have anything older than that you probably shouldnt be using it |
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| 02:53.14 | enouf | Arrowmaster: my p150 as well can too |
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| 02:53.29 | Arrowmaster | (i will admit to having a working 386 still too though, that actually gets used.....) |
| 02:53.50 | enouf | but if you want keyboard pinouts - i can post them |
| 02:54.03 | megatog615 | adb: already installed |
| 02:54.05 | Sisk | misses his 486 Notejet that finally bit the big one. |
| 02:54.16 | abrotman | a whale? |
| 02:54.26 | Moodier | anyone here tried installing on an apple imac g3? |
| 02:55.05 | Sisk | Moodier: I did a couple years ago. |
| 02:55.10 | JyZyXEL | is there a single program that actually supports jack? |
| 02:55.22 | Moodier | Sisk: how was your experience with it? |
| 02:55.29 | caimlas | abrotman, that's right, they did. this is a compaq ipaq agency pd1040, and does not have such a feature. |
| 02:55.51 | caimlas | Arrowmaster, this is a 1GHz P3. but see: compaq |
| 02:56.22 | Sisk | Didn't have any trouble getting Debian installed. I was a bit unimpressed with the selection of packages available in PPC at the time though. |
| 02:56.26 | Arrowmaster | i bet theres a secret key combo in the bios to unhide a hidden menu |
| 02:56.29 | Arrowmaster | mine has one |
| 02:56.33 | megatog615 | enouf: then how would i build it |
| 02:56.40 | enouf | megatog615: "The story of linux-kbuild-2.6" http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 02:57.13 | Moodier | Sisk: was the display like 800 x 600? |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | caimlas: you left out that it wasn't a real PC :) |
| 02:58.07 | enouf | adb: you should read that as well ;-) it's not built from linux-source-xxxx |
| 02:58.48 | Sisk | Moodier: Now that you mention it, yeah. I didn't find a fix, but I didn't look very hard. It was just a computer to have internet in my workshop while I was scraping together parts to repair my other one. |
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| 02:59.13 | adb | Moodier: my mac@266 MHz works at 1024x768 @85 Hz |
| 02:59.25 | adb | enouf: i see |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | caimlas: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/bchafy/keyboard_trick.txt |
| 02:59.30 | megatog615 | enouf: i can skip part 3, 4, and 5 right? |
| 02:59.37 | Moodier | adb: how do you get that high resolution? |
| 02:59.48 | megatog615 | i am not applying any patches or custom version numbers |
| 03:00.16 | enouf | megatog615: funny thing though eh? -- http://rafb.net/p/gD9tC531.html |
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| 03:00.36 | megatog615 | woah |
| 03:00.45 | abrotman | caimlas: or ask ##hardware or ##electronics |
| 03:00.47 | enouf | y e s .. ;-) |
| 03:00.51 | force | hi ive removed postfix, but now i want to reinstall it, however i want to reinstall the config files as well, and replace existing postfix files which may still exist, what can i use to do this ? |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | !tell force about confmiss |
| 03:01.36 | adb | Moodier: i use MacOS > 9.1 to fix that |
| 03:01.58 | enouf | hugs adb .. just because .. |
| 03:02.02 | megatog615 | linux-headers-2.6.28-1-amd64 requires linux-kbuild-2.6.28(or something) which does not exist |
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| 03:02.11 | megatog615 | (yet) |
| 03:02.36 | megatog615 | building the kernel gives me the headers though, right? |
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| 03:02.48 | megatog615 | really i only need the headers for the nvidia driver to install |
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| 03:03.13 | enouf | we figured hat much |
| 03:03.17 | megatog615 | hehe |
| 03:03.43 | megatog615 | yeah, damn nvidia cant be bothered to release the code!! |
| 03:04.00 | enouf | so, grab the needed kbuild source from svn and build - as the URL says |
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| 03:04.24 | enouf | install subversion |
| 03:04.54 | enouf | megatog615: you're the fool who supports them by using their crap ;-) |
| 03:05.28 | force | thanks |
| 03:05.31 | megatog615 | well yeah i should have got an ati |
| 03:05.44 | MikePer | Hello. I got a problem with the computone driver (ip2). It produces an oops. Anyone here using it or knows if MHW is still supporting it? |
| 03:05.52 | megatog615 | but i got my nvidia before amd released the docs |
| 03:06.09 | enouf | megatog615: same for my tnt2pro :-P |
| 03:06.16 | megatog615 | and at that time nvidia had the best drivers, despite being closed |
| 03:06.28 | enouf | they both suck ass |
| 03:06.45 | enouf | AMD/ATi though lately has been much better |
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| 03:08.27 | Sisk | ATI hates me. I run into issues every time I install that driver. |
| 03:08.40 | enouf | "that" ? |
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| 03:09.06 | enouf | the r5xx series is coming along fine |
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| 03:09.31 | Sisk | The 'official' Radeon driver. For some reason it always fails to build the kernel module the first time for me. |
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| 03:09.44 | enouf | you mean fglrx |
| 03:09.53 | Sisk | Yeah, that one. |
| 03:09.54 | xoz | radeon is quiet stable |
| 03:10.09 | enouf | Sisk: i didn't mention fglrx |
| 03:10.39 | caimlas | abrotman, I tried the 'keyboard_trick.txt', doesn't seem to do it. |
| 03:10.44 | enouf | ofcourse, that still sucks mucho smelly _______ |
| 03:10.50 | abrotman | caimlas: or ask ##hardware or ##electronics |
| 03:10.55 | caimlas | yeah |
| 03:11.18 | enouf | caimlas: what system specs? |
| 03:11.33 | Sisk | enouf: sorry, I should have realized I guess. |
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| 03:13.58 | caimlas | enouf, it's a compaq ipaq agency, 1GHz, 512M, 80G |
| 03:14.19 | enouf | caimlas: one sec |
| 03:14.45 | caimlas | enouf, pd1040 is the model. |
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| 03:19.29 | enouf | caimlas: possible help , not sure http://www.beyondlogic.org/keyboard/keybrd.htm |
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| 03:20.26 | enouf | caimlas: can you pastebin output of lshal | grep smbios ? |
| 03:21.21 | enouf | caimlas: something aft y2k should have atleast a way to update .. or disable things in BIOS / RomPAQs |
| 03:21.51 | ajavid | hey |
| 03:22.31 | caimlas | enouf, thinking this is circa 1999 or so. |
| 03:22.31 | enouf | caimlas: what is the issue with just connecting some ps/2 or usb keys? X has a AllowNoMouse=Yes option thing |
| 03:22.50 | enouf | caimlas: no - my p2 350 is circa 1999 |
| 03:23.05 | caimlas | enouf, eh? the system is going to run headless/without kb. |
| 03:23.11 | caimlas | enouf, just a home server |
| 03:23.14 | caimlas | and very pushed for space |
| 03:23.30 | enouf | caimlas: right - and it won't boot without keys? |
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| 03:24.05 | enouf | caimlas: hook up serial console, or ssh into it, or netboot, or tftp install ... |
| 03:24.26 | enouf | megatog615: how ya doing? |
| 03:24.48 | megatog615 | im doing the preparations |
| 03:25.02 | megatog615 | thx for the help btw |
| 03:25.11 | enouf | !preperationH megatog615 :-) |
| 03:25.27 | enouf | misspelled .. heh |
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| 03:25.54 | caimlas | enouf, missing the point, mate. I can't get pass the "keyboard error/no keyboard present" error on the bios w/o a kb. |
| 03:26.52 | enouf | caimlas: wait - ever hear of temporary? ... 2nd, that hink of junk should be trashed - pull the DIMMs though for another system |
| 03:27.13 | megatog615 | oh crap |
| 03:27.14 | abrotman | says the guy with a PII |
| 03:27.21 | enouf | indeed |
| 03:27.29 | megatog615 | the package i built was for 2.6.29... |
| 03:27.41 | enouf | my p2 serves me fine - the ONLY thing i EVER complain about is software BLOAT! |
| 03:27.50 | caimlas | enouf, a couple things. 1) it's a small system, 2) it's quiet, 3) it's the only board I've got that'll take the CPU |
| 03:27.53 | enouf | megatog615: way to go ;-) |
| 03:27.59 | megatog615 | :( |
| 03:28.06 | caimlas | enouf, the idea was to provide something permanent. |
| 03:28.29 | enouf | caimlas: none of those answered me |
| 03:28.40 | abrotman | or you could just drop it |
| 03:28.54 | enouf | drop the compaq? |
| 03:29.08 | abrotman | the conversation .. it's not really debian related |
| 03:29.15 | enouf | which one? |
| 03:29.34 | caimlas | heh |
| 03:29.41 | caimlas | abrotman, thanks for the help |
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| 03:30.23 | enouf | i don't think the last 100+ lines were even debian related - and yet ... |
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| 03:30.42 | enouf | wait .. megatog615 is/was |
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| 03:33.02 | worr | Hey guys |
| 03:33.18 | worr | anyone have any suggestions for doing a remote debconf database without using LDAP? |
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| 03:34.09 | megatog615 | enouf: yay! |
| 03:34.11 | worr | the easiest/best solution right now is looking like sharing it with nfs |
| 03:34.13 | megatog615 | (it worked) |
| 03:34.59 | megatog615 | i will now reboot and install the nvidia drivers and possibly upgrade my partitions to ext4... etc etc |
| 03:35.15 | enouf | megatog615: good deal - report back |
| 03:35.18 | CaT[t3] | i wouldn't go upggrading to ext4 just yet. |
| 03:35.27 | megatog615 | ext4 in 2.6.28 is stable |
| 03:35.38 | megatog615 | which is why i needed 2.6.28 :D |
| 03:35.44 | CaT[t3] | well... yes. it has the stamp of stable. |
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| 03:35.53 | megatog615 | plus its just for a backup disk |
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| 03:35.57 | megatog615 | so no worries |
| 03:35.58 | CaT[t3] | go brows the linux-kernel archives for more info on 'stable' :) |
| 03:36.11 | CaT[t3] | heh |
| 03:36.20 | Sisk | ext4 is out? When did that happen? |
| 03:36.29 | enouf | !ext4 |
| 03:36.29 | dpkg | methinks ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. |
| 03:36.48 | megatog615 | so if i upgrade to ext4 on something, and a fix for ext4 is made, does that mean im running an old ext4 partition or will the kernel update automatically upgrade the partition if it's "old"? |
| 03:36.59 | worr | also apparently it is blazing, according to one of my friends on gentoo |
| 03:37.01 | enouf | Sisk: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 |
| 03:37.26 | CaT[t3] | wanted to use ext4 on his eee. not just yet though. perhaps when .30 is released. |
| 03:37.27 | mocca | does lenny support ext4 ? |
| 03:37.27 | megatog615 | yea my backup disk is slow so i need ext4 for it |
| 03:37.31 | Sisk | <- Too much time on the stupid XP machine he's forced to use at work I think |
| 03:37.52 | megatog615 | CaT[t3]: believe it or not but fat32 is actually best for flash right now |
| 03:38.04 | CaT[t3] | mega: or not :) |
| 03:38.07 | Guerin | ext2 |
| 03:38.11 | megatog615 | it has the least wear on flash afaik |
| 03:38.26 | megatog615 | ok rebooting |
| 03:38.28 | Guerin | ext2 has just as little, is just as fast, and has sane permissions |
| 03:38.46 | CaT[t3] | ext3 is even used by asus on their ssds |
| 03:39.09 | Guerin | CaT[t3]: planned obsolescence |
| 03:39.34 | Sisk | fat32 is great on flash.....if you have to use it on a Windows box. If you're lucky enough to not have to deal with Windows, ext2 is better |
| 03:39.54 | worr | yeah, I use ext2 on my netbook. |
| 03:40.49 | Sisk | I have one that I partitioned off so I could boot Debian from it and still use it with my work computer. Half fat32, half ext2. |
| 03:41.06 | enouf | ext2linux is awesome as well |
| 03:42.00 | worr | also, anyone have suggestions for remote debconf database? |
| 03:42.53 | abrotman | worr: you might want to email the debian-user list |
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| 03:43.45 | worr | :\ |
| 03:44.33 | abrotman | what? |
| 03:44.39 | stdisease | Hi, why don't many packages have their own menu files? |
| 03:44.41 | enouf | worr: i have recently seen something, but can't recall .. sorry |
| 03:44.55 | enouf | stdisease: what's a menu? |
| 03:44.57 | Rothgar | What is the easiest way to make a chroot user environment? Just so they can SSH into the chroot'd environment if any apps need dependencies I can copy them in later? |
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| 03:45.16 | stdisease | enouf, you know the files that fit into /usr/share/menu |
| 03:45.17 | worr | I was hoping I could get help here, that's all |
| 03:45.25 | megatog615 | cool, it works |
| 03:45.29 | enouf | stdisease: sorry, no i don't |
| 03:45.33 | abrotman | worr: you might be able to eventually .. i'm just suggesting another method of asking |
| 03:45.46 | worr | ok, thanks |
| 03:46.01 | worr | I just haven't been subscribed to the mailing list for a while |
| 03:46.01 | megatog615 | about flash, cant you install ext3 or ext4 without a journal? |
| 03:46.13 | megatog615 | since the journal is what kills flash anyway |
| 03:46.25 | enouf | megatog615: atime also |
| 03:46.29 | enouf | caching also |
| 03:46.36 | megatog615 | well theres always noatime :) |
| 03:46.40 | megatog615 | and sync |
| 03:46.42 | enouf | indeed |
| 03:46.51 | worr | ext2 naturally doesn't have a journal |
| 03:47.02 | megatog615 | but seriously can you install ext3 or 4 without a journal? |
| 03:47.19 | enouf | megatog615: ext3 without a journel == ext2 |
| 03:47.23 | worr | no, I don't think so |
| 03:47.25 | abrotman | megatog615: ext3 is basically ext2 with a journal |
| 03:47.25 | stdisease | well I made my own files and I'm not sure where to contribute them to, to a mailing list or to each package's maintainer... |
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| 03:47.42 | abrotman | stdisease: you can send a wishlist bug with your patch |
| 03:48.44 | megatog615 | ext4 has an upgrade path to btrfs, right? |
| 03:48.57 | enouf | dunno |
| 03:49.01 | megatog615 | is it basically the same as the ext3 upgrade path |
| 03:49.17 | megatog615 | well i'll test the waters on my backup disk |
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| 03:49.38 | worr | anyone know how to convert a debconf database from a File to DirTree? |
| 03:49.47 | worr | or something similar? |
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| 03:50.12 | enouf | stdisease: all i know is there's an man update-menus (really, i loathe icons, and DEs and menus and crap) |
| 03:50.28 | megatog615 | wait... |
| 03:50.36 | megatog615 | all i have to do to upgrade is just mount it as ext4? |
| 03:50.39 | megatog615 | no way lol |
| 03:50.48 | enouf | worr: you mean dir_index option? |
| 03:50.59 | worr | enough: ?? |
| 03:50.59 | amphi_ | whispers 'xmonad' to enouf |
| 03:51.07 | worr | *enouf |
| 03:51.08 | amphi_ | another damn tail |
| 03:51.16 | enouf | chops off amphi_ 's tail |
| 03:51.20 | worr | the driver option |
| 03:51.27 | enouf | ;-) |
| 03:51.32 | amphi | too slow ;) |
| 03:51.33 | worr | you can store the actual database a couple of different ways |
| 03:51.44 | ajavid | so whats up with ext4? |
| 03:51.45 | enouf | amphi: nope - exact second! |
| 03:51.54 | ajavid | enouf, amphi lag |
| 03:52.22 | amphi | enouf: ah, the relativity of simultaneity ;) |
| 03:52.26 | worr | and I have a current database stored as a couple of files being thrown together using the Stack driver, that I'd wanna convert to DirTree |
| 03:52.29 | enouf | worr: forgive me, i don't understand your query |
| 03:52.45 | megatog615 | ext4 seems to work |
| 03:52.47 | megatog615 | lol |
| 03:52.49 | megatog615 | wow that was easy |
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| 03:53.04 | stdisease | enouf, yes that's related, it takes the menu files and applies them to different DEs (I wouldnt go as far as calling openbox a DE though) |
| 03:53.05 | enouf | amphi: it's such a continuum ;-) |
| 03:53.11 | megatog615 | here i thought it was going to be a lengthy upgrade like going from fat32 to ntfs |
| 03:53.20 | worr | enouf: you know how debconf stores the database by default, right? |
| 03:53.44 | enouf | worr: i could learn more about it all .. |
| 03:53.53 | ajavid | amphi, pi |
| 03:53.57 | worr | ok, its a couple of flat files |
| 03:54.06 | Samb1 | hi, since I upgraded to lenny from etch my sound has been messed up.. getting loads of noise and clicks and now the pc speaker volume controller controls the vole instead of the master volume... |
| 03:54.11 | worr | in /var/cache/debconf/ |
| 03:54.16 | Samb1 | vole.. volume |
| 03:54.18 | enouf | worr: well, you mean the pkgsource.bin and such? |
| 03:54.29 | ajavid | i mean |
| 03:54.31 | worr | no.. |
| 03:54.40 | hark | megatog615: converting fat32 to ntfs is easier and faster |
| 03:54.44 | worr | it should be config.dat, password.dat, and template.dat |
| 03:54.51 | enouf | worr: sorry - i'm not ready to deal with researching this atm |
| 03:55.02 | worr | ok, that's cool |
| 03:55.05 | enouf | .dat? not .dis?! |
| 03:55.07 | worr | thanks though |
| 03:55.13 | worr | lol |
| 03:55.16 | enouf | ;-) |
| 03:55.16 | abrotman | worr: it says you can change the Driver .. |
| 03:55.38 | abrotman | worr: and there is a sample in /etc/debconf.conf for an ldap backend |
| 03:56.18 | hark | megatog615: and you've not migrated completely to ext4 just yet |
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| 03:57.00 | megatog615 | hark: and the final steps would be ...? |
| 03:57.04 | worr | yeah, iI'm not doing LDAP cause it's pretty experimental |
| 03:57.22 | worr | abrotman: I've also looked through that... |
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| 03:58.40 | hark | megatog615: at least you're not enjoying the benefits of ext4, such as extents |
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| 03:59.00 | megatog615 | i didnt mount it with noextents |
| 03:59.17 | worr | thanks though abortman |
| 03:59.37 | hark | megatog615: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4 |
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| 04:01.37 | megatog615 | ok thanks |
| 04:01.52 | megatog615 | i've done the first part, now doing the fsck part |
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| 04:02.13 | enouf | megatog615: did the nvidia blob compile and install / work ok? |
| 04:02.17 | hark | megatog615: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4#head-10f27db6b96fe8c88d88528ced83a86c8cf4b6a6 |
| 04:02.25 | megatog615 | enouf: yes it did :) |
| 04:02.35 | enouf | ok, good news |
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| 04:03.23 | enouf | megatog615: used the debian method? or the nvidia .run? |
| 04:03.29 | megatog615 | the .run |
| 04:03.37 | enouf | ok |
| 04:03.45 | megatog615 | the latest debian drivers dont have 180.29, or even .35 |
| 04:03.58 | megatog615 | well, the package apparently exists but depends on something that doesnt |
| 04:04.01 | megatog615 | or something :D |
| 04:04.07 | enouf | megatog615: i just don't want to misguide other users |
| 04:04.08 | megatog615 | i'd use the debian method if not |
| 04:04.17 | hark | megatog615: after that, your existing files will still be using the old mapping and won't be 'converted'. i think there is a defrag tool or something to convert them, dunno |
| 04:04.20 | megatog615 | yes, i used the .run to compile the driver |
| 04:04.37 | megatog615 | hark: no matter, i only have one fine on the drive |
| 04:04.46 | megatog615 | hark: albeit rather big :D |
| 04:05.42 | megatog615 | debian doesnt seem to have e4defrag yet |
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| 04:07.54 | DiegoMax | do i have any command to query the root nameservers for a register ? |
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| 04:10.36 | pickcoder | DiegoMax: dnsutils contains a few DNS tools |
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| 04:13.29 | DiegoMax | hm ok |
| 04:13.34 | pickcoder | you may want whois |
| 04:13.40 | DiegoMax | im having some trouble setting up a distributed DNS... |
| 04:13.46 | DiegoMax | maybe somebody can give me a hand ? |
| 04:14.11 | DiegoMax | i have server1.com which is my main dns server |
| 04:14.24 | DiegoMax | now i have server2.com which is gonna be a 2nd nameserver |
| 04:15.16 | DiegoMax | so ns3 and ns4.mydomain.com (pointing to the new server DNS) are as NS records on my main DNS box pointing to the IP's on the 2nd box, thats correct right ? |
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| 04:18.04 | pickcoder | DiegoMax: I'm lost |
| 04:18.16 | DiegoMax | heh yah i know |
| 04:18.18 | pickcoder | you can specify more than 2 name servers for a domain |
| 04:18.38 | DiegoMax | yah but im not totally sure if i should also setup the new dns ip's on my registrar |
| 04:18.39 | DiegoMax | or no |
| 04:18.57 | damo22 | how do i tell apt that a replacement package satisfies the old package's dependencies http://pastebin.com/d75761d18 |
| 04:20.56 | enouf | !dpkg-divert |
| 04:21.12 | enouf | er |
| 04:21.21 | enouf | !equivs |
| 04:21.21 | dpkg | equivs is probably a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
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| 04:21.40 | piper69 | happy friday :) |
| 04:21.42 | xoz | how do you auto install suggested packages? |
| 04:22.15 | enouf | xoz: file:///usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 04:22.31 | enouf | INM |
| 04:22.46 | xoz | enouf: ah. thanks |
| 04:23.25 | piper69 | before i upgrade from etch to lenny, i used to plug in my 60GB ext USB drive and it works like a charm. after the upgrade i only see the name "myStuff" but it say not mounted, and when i try to mount it i can't...please help me |
| 04:23.37 | enouf | Install-Suggests "true"; |
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| 04:23.51 | piper69 | ? |
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| 04:24.23 | xoz | enouf: in apt.conf? |
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| 04:24.49 | enouf | xoz: yes, or as i have; |
| 04:24.51 | enouf | cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 04:24.51 | enouf | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
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| 04:25.38 | xoz | ok. thanks. it is now clear. where can i read a complete doc for this |
| 04:25.52 | enouf | so 'touch /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-suggests" and add a similar line |
| 04:26.31 | enouf | or similarly named files, i don;t think the 98 or NN matters too much |
| 04:26.34 | octavio | hi ppl I am having a big problem with Debian and the my internet connection .. I just can connect to the internet :( |
| 04:27.24 | octavio | the problem is .. when I start my pc it say something like you are connected with a self assigneted ip .. (starting with 169) |
| 04:27.37 | xoz | enouf: no command like apt-get suggests <package> |
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| 04:27.58 | xoz | enouf: i used to do feta suggests <package> but feta is no loonger in lenny |
| 04:28.15 | octavio | I have been looking around for info in the interte (at other machine obviously) .. and I found info refering that dhcp can be found |
| 04:28.16 | enouf | xoz: no idea |
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| 04:29.00 | octavio | I was wondering if some how lenny has a firewall that block the dhcp port |
| 04:29.07 | octavio | and one have any idea? |
| 04:29.12 | enouf | no |
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| 04:30.13 | Rothgar | How do you terminate a Match block in sshd_config? |
| 04:30.17 | shyam_k | hi is there any other nice tool to record sound in command line other than arecord? |
| 04:30.22 | enouf | octavio: 169.254.x.x are avahi-daemon, zeroconf, netatalk addys |
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| 04:30.37 | shyam_k | arecord is making me mad.. it doesn't take sound though the speaker itself replies the sound back! |
| 04:30.46 | enouf | octavio: kill them and remove them |
| 04:31.20 | shyam_k | and do you know a nice channel to ask about sound related problems? other than #alsa which i tried.. |
| 04:31.31 | stew | Rothgar: by starting another match block |
| 04:31.49 | octavio | enouf ok, let me see if the are running |
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| 04:32.12 | enouf | octavio: they are = lsof and netstat -tunap |
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| 04:32.47 | enouf | octavio: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 04:33.06 | enouf | octavio: /msg dpkg startup |
| 04:33.31 | Rothgar | stew: Does that mean that Match blocks need to be at the end of the file? |
| 04:33.55 | Rothgar | Because otherwise I start getting errors about var's outside my match block are not supported in the Match block? |
| 04:34.06 | stew | Rothgar: yes |
| 04:34.34 | piper69 | how can i use usb external hdd |
| 04:34.43 | enouf | plug it in |
| 04:34.59 | megatog615 | piper69: lug it in |
| 04:35.15 | piper69 | enouf: thats what i did, but it is not mounted |
| 04:35.26 | megatog615 | are you using gnome? |
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| 04:35.31 | piper69 | yes |
| 04:35.37 | megatog615 | gnome has a automount feature |
| 04:36.10 | enouf | this isn't windows, so i don;t know what you mean piper69 |
| 04:36.10 | megatog615 | try installing gnome-mount |
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| 04:36.34 | shyam_k | or just try to mount that manually.. |
| 04:36.34 | Rothgar | stew: Fair enough seems a bit weird |
| 04:36.40 | piper69 | megatog615: i know, i see it , but when i dclick it doesn't open |
| 04:36.42 | enouf | i like to manually mount -- feels so much better ;-) |
| 04:36.58 | piper69 | enouf: can you help me with manual mount please |
| 04:37.06 | enouf | piper69: i wish i could |
| 04:37.12 | shyam_k | ah that can be a nasty permission problem.. |
| 04:37.15 | enouf | !automount |
| 04:37.16 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>, or <halevt> |
| 04:37.35 | piper69 | enouf: i meant to show me how to do it manualy |
| 04:37.45 | enouf | piper69: very dependent |
| 04:38.27 | enouf | just fix your gnome and be happy |
| 04:38.59 | R_Dragon | !automount |
| 04:38.59 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>, or <halevt> |
| 04:40.22 | megatog615 | i actually have an issue with automounting ext(2/3) volumes |
| 04:41.49 | megatog615 | they mount from gnome but do not give me write access |
| 04:45.36 | piper69 | why fstab return -bash: fstab: command not found |
| 04:45.48 | megatog615 | fstab is not a command |
| 04:45.59 | megatog615 | it is a file in /etc/ |
| 04:46.01 | shyam_k | anyone know how to simply record a 16000hz mono audio using rec? |
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| 04:48.05 | shyam_k | rec -r 16000 -sw -fu wav/test.wav gave me error rec "soxio: Failed reading `default': unknown file type `alsa'" |
| 04:48.59 | enouf | kill esd and artsd |
| 04:49.10 | enouf | and install alsa-oss |
| 04:49.20 | shyam_k | trying for last ONE WEEK desperately just to record some sound without noise in my laptop!!!! how its sooo wierd here@ |
| 04:49.40 | shyam_k | no luck with arecord too.. now just turned to rec.. |
| 04:49.53 | enouf | 'default' == alsa |
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| 04:51.17 | enouf | stupid DE settings too likely |
| 04:51.19 | shyam_k | enouf: should give it as option? |
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| 04:52.19 | shyam_k | enouf: last day i could make arecord to take the sound by changing the input source , but now it simply just don't take the sound, though speaker is giving it back! |
| 04:52.39 | enouf | dunno man, sorry |
| 04:52.43 | damo22 | shyam_k: tried using jackd and ardour? |
| 04:52.55 | shyam_k | damo22: but i want it to be in command line.. |
| 04:53.07 | piper69 | please some help on mounting my usb |
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| 04:53.27 | damo22 | piper69: plug it in and pastebin "dmesg" |
| 04:53.37 | enouf | piper69: specific info might get you more answers |
| 04:54.35 | shyam_k | piper69: which format is that hdd in? |
| 04:54.36 | megatog615 | damo22: probably better to just tail /var/log/dmesg |
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| 04:54.49 | megatog615 | or dmesg | tail |
| 04:54.51 | enouf | piper69: or .. did you think my 'very dependent' comment referred to your state of mind? |
| 04:55.20 | damo22 | megatog615: yeah well same thing... |
| 04:55.23 | megatog615 | enouf: leave him alone, i will help him |
| 04:55.33 | megatog615 | hes just new :) |
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| 04:55.45 | piper69 | http://paste.debian.net/29942/ |
| 04:55.49 | megatog615 | damo22: yeah we only need the last line or so |
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| 04:56.21 | enouf | megatog615: maybe next time i'll leave you alone too |
| 04:56.46 | megatog615 | piper69: try gksu mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
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| 04:57.33 | damo22 | piper69: go to a terminal: mkdir flashdrive && gksudo mount /dev/sda1 flashdrive |
| 04:57.33 | megatog615 | enouf: i appreciate your help with my problem before, but i don't think you need to question piper69's intelligence because he doesn't know how to use linux that well |
| 04:57.57 | enouf | why do you think i questioned anyone's |
| 04:58.08 | enouf | why do you think i questioned anyone's "intelligence" |
| 04:58.16 | megatog615 | enouf: i dont want to talk about this anymore |
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| 04:58.24 | enouf | misunderstandings Always happen |
| 04:58.32 | enouf | especially on IRC |
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| 04:59.10 | megatog615 | piper69: if you mounted in /mnt, try ls /mnt |
| 04:59.18 | megatog615 | if you see files there it's mounted |
| 04:59.39 | megatog615 | unfortunately it's mounted as root which means you probably can't write to it :) |
| 04:59.58 | damo22 | i have trouble with some usb flash drives.. they dont detect the partition table :\ |
| 05:00.03 | enouf | wrong |
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| 05:00.36 | piper69 | megatog615: ls /mnt return nothing |
| 05:00.58 | megatog615 | pastebin the output of mount |
| 05:00.59 | enouf | piper69: check /media/ |
| 05:01.12 | megatog615 | (with no switches) |
| 05:01.46 | piper69 | enouf: cdrom cdrom0 floppy floppy0 |
| 05:02.09 | damo22 | piper69: where did you mount it? |
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| 05:02.19 | damo22 | or is that too hard |
| 05:02.36 | enouf | piper69: other things; ls -l /dev/disk/* ; cat /proc/partitions |
| 05:03.48 | enouf | piper69: what FStype? is it a u3 device? |
| 05:04.22 | enouf | piper69: understand my |
| 05:04.41 | enouf | piper69: understand my 'very dependent' question now? |
| 05:04.51 | piper69 | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/29943/ |
| 05:05.41 | piper69 | enouf: no it is not U3, it is a regular lappy HDD |
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| 05:06.40 | enouf | piper69: file -s /dev/sda1 |
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| 05:07.13 | piper69 | enouf: /dev/sda1: x86 boot sector |
| 05:07.21 | damo22 | piper69: go to a terminal: gksudo "mkdir /mnt/lappy" && gksudo "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/lappy" |
| 05:07.25 | enouf | no bueno |
| 05:07.40 | piper69 | enouf: why? |
| 05:08.02 | enouf | piper69: likely fat/vfat |
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| 05:09.00 | enouf | lsmod | egrep 'fat|vfat|msdos|ntfs|fuse' |
| 05:09.17 | enouf | the UUID doens't look like a vfar |
| 05:09.22 | enouf | vfat |
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| 05:09.49 | piper69 | enouf: nothing |
| 05:09.53 | enouf | piper69: fdisk -lu /dev/sda |
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| 05:10.07 | enouf | piper69: modprobe all those then ;-) |
| 05:11.08 | enouf | line 31 doesn |
| 05:11.13 | piper69 | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/29944/ |
| 05:11.34 | enouf | line 31 doesn't match 26 in your 1st paste |
| 05:11.42 | enouf | to me |
| 05:11.58 | enouf | cat /etc/fstab piper69 |
| 05:12.32 | damo22 | piper69: what filesystem is on that drive? |
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| 05:12.53 | enouf | piper69: are you really understand my 'very dependent' question now? |
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| 05:13.19 | piper69 | enouf: not really |
| 05:13.34 | enouf | piper69: you need ntfs support |
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| 05:13.53 | piper69 | http://paste.debian.net/29945/ |
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| 05:14.17 | enouf | piper69: how could i possibly know that? |
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| 05:14.34 | enouf | previously |
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| 05:15.04 | acu | I have a computer with a dynamic IP address - is any tool by which the IP is sent over internet to other computer ? |
| 05:15.04 | enouf | megatog615: take over - i can't take windows users |
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| 05:15.20 | damo22 | lol |
| 05:15.58 | enouf | piper69: sorry - and no offense .. |
| 05:16.16 | piper69 | enouf: its cool |
| 05:16.30 | enouf | !hug piper69 |
| 05:16.30 | dpkg | gives piper69 a hug |
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| 05:17.48 | piper69 | so what shall i do now |
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| 05:18.19 | damo22 | piper69: is the filesystem ntfs or fat32? |
| 05:18.37 | piper69 | NTFS |
| 05:18.38 | enouf | piper69: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g ; /msg dpkg ntfsrw ; /msg dpkg ntfsro |
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| 05:19.47 | damo22 | piper69: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g |
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| 05:20.29 | piper69 | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 05:20.30 | piper69 | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
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| 05:20.45 | enouf | pkill apt |
| 05:20.46 | damo22 | piper69: close all "synaptic" windows |
| 05:20.55 | enouf | pkill whatever |
| 05:21.24 | piper69 | enouf: no whatever process is running |
| 05:21.34 | piper69 | just kiddin' :P |
| 05:21.49 | damo22 | haha |
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| 05:23.13 | khaije1 | during install i get the option for targeted initramfs or generic initramfs... is the targeted based on a scan of the device hardware? |
| 05:23.16 | piper69 | ps -ef | grep synaptic nothing |
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| 05:23.34 | damo22 | piper69: killall -9 apt |
| 05:23.45 | khaije1 | if i'm missing a device driver, is targeted a better option? |
| 05:24.05 | piper69 | no process killed |
| 05:24.14 | damo22 | piper69: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 05:24.32 | piper69 | samething |
| 05:24.36 | hark | piper69: sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 05:24.37 | damo22 | grrr |
| 05:24.37 | piper69 | i will reboot |
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| 05:25.48 | damo22 | piper69: is it working now? |
| 05:25.58 | piper69 | damo22: yes |
| 05:26.03 | piper69 | thanks to hark |
| 05:26.25 | piper69 | n to u too |
| 05:26.27 | piper69 | ;) |
| 05:26.42 | damo22 | piper69: so are you getting sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 05:26.58 | piper69 | yes damo22 |
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| 05:27.53 | piper69 | whats next dam |
| 05:29.06 | piper69 | *damo22 |
| 05:30.02 | damo22 | piper69: sudo mkdir /mnt/lappy && sudo mount /dev/sda1 -t ntfs-3g /mnt/lappy |
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| 05:31.58 | piper69 | mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/lappy': File exists |
| 05:32.00 | piper69 | wtf |
| 05:32.04 | acu | piper69 will get to old to use the new ntfs hard disk :) |
| 05:32.05 | damo22 | thats ok |
| 05:32.43 | damo22 | we already created the directory, so thats why you got that error, but it should have mounted it this time |
| 05:33.04 | damo22 | check the directory /mnt/lappy |
| 05:34.06 | hark | mount it first :) |
| 05:34.29 | damo22 | we just did hark |
| 05:34.32 | damo22 | :) |
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| 05:35.04 | at0m|werk | damo22: also when && prevented the mount after mkdir error? |
| 05:35.17 | damo22 | oh yeah,,, oops |
| 05:35.19 | damo22 | LOL |
| 05:35.57 | damo22 | piper69: sudo mount /dev/sda1 -t ntfs-3g /mnt/lappy |
| 05:36.00 | acu | damo22 - why are you so cruel with piper69 ? - there is a Graphic User interface in KDE - if you installed kde-guidance and go to KDE control panel - you can mount and do all of this trough GUI :) |
| 05:36.21 | Lagaro | damo22: using semicolons is often a better bet, or ever better, mkdir -p . . . |
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| 05:37.25 | damo22 | acu: i prefer the terminal, i can see exactly what is happening |
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| 05:38.05 | damo22 | acu: sometimes a usb stick doesnt even register, it wont help to have a gui in that instance |
| 05:38.07 | acu | damo22: I know you prefer the terminal but piper69 is going to commit suicide if he needs two weeks to mount a hard disk :) |
| 05:38.36 | Lagaro | acu: some people prefer the terminal (me included) . . . but, damo, that's no reason why *everyone* has to not use a GUI |
| 05:38.40 | enouf | acu: why are you so cruel to damo22 ? |
| 05:39.01 | acu | :) |
| 05:39.02 | hark | enouf: why are you so cruel to acu? |
| 05:39.03 | damo22 | lol... well i'm not aware of the kde guis |
| 05:39.08 | Lagaro | enouf: ^^ seconded |
| 05:39.40 | damo22 | i use xfce, kde is too bloated |
| 05:40.09 | Lagaro | treates KDE with a ten-metre pole |
| 05:40.23 | enouf | hark: if "install kde" isn't 'cruel' i don't know what is |
| 05:40.30 | damo22 | lol |
| 05:40.33 | Sisk | Ten metres? You get that close?? |
| 05:40.54 | Lagaro | Sisk: mmm . . . other people I know use it is why :P |
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| 05:40.55 | hark | hehe, enouf you run KDE! |
| 05:41.05 | Sisk | Ah, I see. |
| 05:41.29 | Lagaro | Sisk: fluxbox and consoles for me . . . heh |
| 05:41.34 | acu | piper69 is a windows GUI - he might be needing 3 minutes to mount the hard disk through KDE-guidance - control panel - do not get me wrong guys - you are true gurus - and I guess that piper69 has to install a webcam, a printer a scanner and has a job, wife and kids :) |
| 05:42.04 | Lagaro | acu: valid point . . . and game |
| 05:42.29 | acu | LOL |
| 05:42.34 | Sisk | I think everyone I know who runs Linux runs Fluxbox... |
| 05:42.51 | bittin | i run awesome =) |
| 05:42.54 | enouf | hark: yes, an you suggested it ; ergo; you're the cruella :-P and i suffer |
| 05:42.57 | Sisk | Oh, wait....One guy I know runs Blackbox....same difference I guess |
| 05:43.05 | damo22 | does fluxbox allow multiple desktops and ability to scroll off the edge of the screen to reach the other desktops? |
| 05:43.21 | hark | acu: idk, he'll still need to install ntfs-3g and adding one line in fstab isn't hard |
| 05:43.31 | Sisk | damo22: yes |
| 05:43.38 | Lagaro | uses fluxbox because it stays out of my way |
| 05:43.59 | dondelelcaro | you may also like awesome |
| 05:44.07 | dondelelcaro | (if you dislike the mouse) |
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| 05:44.08 | acu | hark: ntfs-3g can be installed through synaptic package manager - one search - right click and voila :) |
| 05:44.10 | Lagaro | damo22: yea, it does |
| 05:44.21 | damo22 | cool, thats why i use xfce |
| 05:44.24 | Lagaro | dondelelcaro: is it any good? |
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| 05:44.59 | acu | however I need your help guys - I want to make a computer send its IP address to other computer everytime it boots - is any utility who can do that ? |
| 05:45.00 | Lagaro | dondelelcaro: I don't want to be accused of never having tried anything else other than fluxbox :) |
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| 05:45.30 | Lagaro | acu: well, mmm . . . besides writing a shell script? |
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| 05:45.55 | damo22 | acu: send it in an email? |
| 05:46.02 | enouf | so; 500 lines to mount some mpoop -- beauty for GNU/Linux .. hooray |
| 05:46.07 | freezee | anyther?/ |
| 05:46.13 | freezee | interested in PM?? |
| 05:46.28 | Lagaro | damo22: if acu has a MTA installed |
| 05:46.30 | damo22 | acu: how do u mean send it to another computer? |
| 05:46.35 | Sisk | I just like fluxbox. Much less cluttered and more me-friendly than any other de I've tried. I found both KDE and Gnome to be horrendous experiences...Enlightenment wasn't too bad but the eyecandy drove me nuts after about a week. |
| 05:46.50 | enouf | !homogenize the weenies |
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| 05:47.13 | acu | damo22: I just want to know the IP address of that computer |
| 05:47.23 | Lagaro | Sisk: I cannot *stand* eye-candy . . . which is why I use fluxbox :) |
| 05:48.01 | damo22 | acu: i know how to write a shell script to do it |
| 05:48.03 | Lagaro | Sisk: though I'm going to try awesome, since dondelelcaro seems to reccommend it . . . |
| 05:48.37 | Sisk | Lagaro: Like I said, it drove me nuts :-). I'm gonna look at it I think. I've never heard of it before. |
| 05:48.37 | acu | damo22: one computer gets dynamic IP address - and I want to be able to know its IP everytime it boots - so I can take it over (using x11vnc) |
| 05:48.48 | Lagaro | Sisk: want to make an informed opinion :P |
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| 05:49.16 | Lagaro | Sisk: I'd heard of it, but never tried it |
| 05:49.42 | Lagaro | acu: why not just use static IPs? |
| 05:49.42 | Lagaro | acu: is there a reason why not? |
| 05:49.45 | Sisk | Lagaro: Those are good to have. |
| 05:50.00 | acu | damo22: OK, here is where your skills are needed more even than for piper69 (I think he is exhausted and sad by now :) ) |
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| 05:50.16 | damo22 | hehe |
| 05:50.34 | damo22 | ive never tried, but you can send email from command line using mailmail |
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| 05:51.05 | damo22 | make a script to email you its IP |
| 05:51.08 | damo22 | :P |
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| 05:51.55 | acu | Becaues the so I have to make that computer an email server and send it that way - gosh - I thought there should be some way - those dynamic IP dns clients send their IP addresses to those free dns servers - I thought for sure there is a way derived from that principle |
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| 05:52.29 | acu | Lagaro: yes, the reason is that the ISP provider gives away only dynamic IP addresses |
| 05:52.30 | damo22 | acu: i doubt you have to set it up as a mail server |
| 05:53.24 | enouf | piper69: how ya doing? mounted? rw? as you wanted?? |
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| 05:53.29 | dondelelcaro | Lagaro: I like it; it's similar to ion. [It's a tiling window manager, so if you've never used one of those, it may be a bit odd.] |
| 05:53.51 | dondelelcaro | It's certainly not for everyone, though |
| 05:53.57 | Sisk | dodelecaro: tilting window manager? |
| 05:54.34 | dondelelcaro | Sisk: tiling. http://www.calmar.ws/awesome/ for example |
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| 05:56.04 | Sisk | Hrm. I may have to set that up and try it out. I think my wife would kill me if I dropped Fluxbox completely and made her learn a new environment though. |
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| 05:56.19 | acu | what is fluxbox ? |
| 05:56.26 | enouf | ... |
| 05:56.40 | damo22 | acu: ermmm its a cool window manager |
| 05:57.19 | damo22 | acu: very uncluttered, and light on memory usage |
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| 05:58.52 | enouf | acu: apt-get update ; apt-cache search x-window-manager ; apt-cache show <pkgname> |
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| 05:59.27 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: Does "tiling" mean that the wm automatically aligns windows next to each other so they don't overlap? Or something else? |
| 05:59.49 | enouf | no |
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| 06:00.50 | at0m|werk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager |
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| 06:05.01 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: basically, yes |
| 06:05.11 | acu | I found matcbox-window-manager - this is what it should be ? |
| 06:05.14 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: the general idea is that windows take up all of the available space, all of the time |
| 06:05.18 | Sisk | Geh....must be time for bed....I'm seeing tiling and thinkign tilting...Tiling window manager makes much more sense. |
| 06:05.52 | damo22 | i went through a wmii phase |
| 06:05.57 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: and because of that, you don't waste much time resizing windows; the window that you're working wiht becomes the biggest window, and when you're done working with it, it goes away, not to bother you again |
| 06:06.02 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: ohh -- very interesting. I guess I'll read the wikipedia article. Thanks, at0m|werk |
| 06:06.04 | dondelelcaro | wmii is similar, but slightly less elegant |
| 06:06.04 | Sisk | It looks neat |
| 06:06.24 | dondelelcaro | (in my opinion, anyway; I used it after ion's author went nuts) |
| 06:06.45 | Vasistha | oh how strange! Well that is kind of cool. And I suppose it's possible to keep, like, a little clock and the weather info in a corner where it always stays put |
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| 06:06.56 | enouf | i need 6 monitors period |
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| 06:08.05 | dmoerner_ | Vasistha: if you want a tutorial walkthrough to a sample setup like that, you can look at http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Config_archive/John_Goerzen%27s_Configuration |
| 06:08.35 | Vasistha | John Goerzen ... isn't he the offlineimap guy? |
| 06:09.01 | dmoerner_ | he was a co-author of real world haskell, i don't know about anything else he's done |
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| 06:16.29 | lwizardl | hi |
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| 06:16.57 | Lagaro | lwizardl: hello |
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| 06:17.56 | lwizardl | anyone know how to get my debian system to detect my display when I switch it from landscape to portrait mode |
| 06:18.02 | lwizardl | I have a Tablet PC laptop |
| 06:18.02 | dondelelcaro | enouf: it works reasonably with 6 monitors |
| 06:18.08 | multi_io | in aptitude, I select libcdaudio0 for removal and libcdaudio1 for installation. When proceeding, aptitude bails out with the error "error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libcdaudio1_0.99.12p2-7_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libcdaudio.so.1.0.0', which is also in package libcdaudio0" |
| 06:18.17 | dondelelcaro | lwizardl: depends on how your system tells it that it's rotated |
| 06:18.21 | multi_io | why does it do this? |
| 06:18.42 | dondelelcaro | lwizardl: the actual rotation is just a matter of running xrandr --rotate left; or whatever |
| 06:18.50 | multi_io | it should know that it wants to remove libcdaudio0, so there is no conflict. |
| 06:19.04 | Lagaro | multi_io: that might be a package bug . .. it means that the same file is in two separate packages |
| 06:19.10 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: no, because libcdaudio0 shouldn't have /usr/lib/libcdaudio.so.1.0.0 |
| 06:19.34 | lwizardl | dondelelcaro, OK because the system originally ran Windows XP 2005 tablet pc edition and it detected when you had it |
| 06:19.39 | lwizardl | switched |
| 06:19.55 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: and since we don't even distribute libcdaudio0, there shouldn't be a problem. |
| 06:19.55 | multi_io | Lagaro, dondelelcaro: the point is that aptitude could recognize this, not? |
| 06:20.11 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: nope |
| 06:20.19 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: just remove libcdaudio0, and you'll be fine. |
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| 06:20.43 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: in theory, there should be a Conflicts: libcdaudio0, but we haven't distributed libcdaudio0 in at least 5 years |
| 06:20.44 | multi_io | sure. but I can't use aptitude for that now; have to do use dpkg |
| 06:21.11 | multi_io | hm, ok |
| 06:21.11 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: you can just run dpkg --purge libcdaudio0; pretty trivial |
| 06:21.11 | dondelelcaro | (you could also do that from aptitude) |
| 06:21.40 | dondelelcaro | !+info libcdaudio0 woody |
| 06:21.41 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:21.42 | dpkg | Package 'libcdaudio0' does not exist. |
| 06:21.48 | dondelelcaro | !+info libcdaudio0 potato |
| 06:21.49 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:21.51 | dpkg | Package 'libcdaudio0' does not exist. |
| 06:22.05 | dondelelcaro | so yeah, it's probably because you'd installed ubuntu on that machine at some point |
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| 06:23.13 | Lagaro | dondelelcaro: I like the look of awesome, it's awesome at first glance :P |
| 06:23.23 | Supaplex | ubuntuuuuyuck |
| 06:23.48 | multi_io | nah, but I installed the system like 7 years ago and I have a habit of setting all packages to "hold" |
| 06:23.51 | Supaplex | well not so much that. <bobbitt> :P |
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| 06:31.31 | funky | hello |
| 06:31.52 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.05 | funky | how I'm supposed to solve this ^? |
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| 06:37.12 | stew | funky: build a package with a kernel driver built against your kernel which provides linux-nouveau-modules, i guess |
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| 06:41.01 | acu | guys I almost screw my system with matchbox - I have a 1920 X1080 screen and when I loged in matchbox I did not see one letter - I could not logout - anyhow I have GDM for login - but the letters are so small - where can I make them bigger (even the letters I put as username they are so small) |
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| 06:42.04 | funky | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/DebianInstall |
| 06:42.15 | funky | FYI |
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| 06:43.46 | stew | funky: so i guess the drm-modules-$(uname -r) package will Provide linux-nouveau-modules |
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| 06:44.10 | stew | funky: which seems to coincide somewhat with the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau description |
| 06:44.12 | funyun | noob here, i have a server running linux. am i able to see what ip's are connected to my server? |
| 06:45.11 | stew | funyun: something like "netstat -aunt" |
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| 06:45.42 | funyun | stew: thank you |
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| 06:45.56 | funky | stew: I guess you guess right |
| 06:48.10 | funky | I don't know why isn't a simple dep for that package then |
| 06:48.55 | funky | (if you're running a debian precompiled kernel) |
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| 06:52.07 | stew | funky: you are expecting a lot from a package in experimental |
| 06:52.26 | stew | well |
| 06:53.15 | stew | funky: if xserver-xorg-video-nouveau depended directly on a package providing kernel modules, then it would require that people using this driver for x have a debian kernel installed of a specific version |
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| 06:53.38 | stew | so what you are saying isn't really feasible |
| 06:54.15 | funky | [07:48] < funky> (if you're running a debian precompiled kernel) |
| 06:54.26 | stew | funky: yeah, that's what I'm responding to |
| 06:54.30 | funky | ok ok |
| 06:54.49 | funky | nouveau doesn't support compiz (FWIW) |
| 06:54.52 | stew | funky: tell me what package you would have the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package depend on? |
| 06:55.04 | funky | stew: are you a dev? |
| 06:55.07 | stew | yes |
| 06:56.39 | funky | well, you said that drm-modules-$(uname -r) would Provide the required dep |
| 06:56.49 | stew | yes |
| 06:56.57 | funky | then, that's your answer |
| 06:57.20 | funky | it would be a conditional dep |
| 06:57.21 | stew | funky: that says "run the command 'uname -r' and use that to generate a package name |
| 06:57.22 | funky | if that exists |
| 06:57.38 | funky | sorry but I'm not a dev, I'm not aware of the building packages issue |
| 06:57.51 | funky | althought I've tried to make some just for me at work |
| 06:58.53 | funky | I knew what you meant by $(uname -r) |
| 06:58.55 | stew | so, for you, perhaps "uname -r" is 2.6.26-1-686 and for me perhaps it is 2.6.28-1-amd64, so its not that xserver-xorg-video-nouveau could depend on drm-modules-2.6.26-1-686 becuase that would not work for people running 2.6.28-1-486 or 2.6.26-1-amd64... |
| 06:59.33 | stew | so instead it depends on a virtual package which can be provided by a number of packages |
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| 06:59.55 | funky | I know, that's why I said "conditional dep", only provided if you are running a precompiled kernel by debian, which has the precompiled moduled also for it |
| 07:00.09 | hark | isn't there drm-modules-source or something you can use? |
| 07:00.26 | funky | yes, there is |
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| 07:01.06 | stew | funky: what would a 'conditional dep' be? |
| 07:02.22 | funky | just checking your running kernel version, it's a kernel from aptitude? -yes has it been modified? -no, ok, then install this modules for it, which I know will work |
| 07:02.33 | stew | and if not? |
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| 07:02.45 | funky | then the message that I got |
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| 07:03.16 | stew | well, nothing like that exists, but you got the behaviour you think you should have gotten anyway |
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| 07:03.28 | stew | since no such package for your kernel eists |
| 07:03.33 | stew | exists* |
| 07:06.23 | funky | what about some instructions about what to do? -hey, you need to compile your some modules to satisfy the installation of this package, then an url or directly the instructions (in this case wouldn't be more than 4 lines) |
| 07:06.34 | funky | gentoo does for example |
| 07:06.58 | funky | s/your// |
| 07:07.00 | stew | funky: "apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-nouveau" |
| 07:07.29 | funky | mm |
| 07:07.33 | funky | you win :-) |
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| 07:29.18 | ILoveRamenNoodle | How would I run a nohup as root from a different user, in this case www-data? |
| 07:29.55 | enouf | ... |
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| 07:32.21 | Vasistha | ILoveRamenNoodle: maybe you want something like sudo kill -nohup |
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| 07:35.05 | Vasistha | ILoveRamenNoodle: I'm sorry, that was a terrible answer, it is too late and I should be in bed. take "kill" out completely ... so you want to run the program called "nohup" as the user www-data? Try this: su -c nohup www-data |
| 07:35.41 | ILoveRamenNoodle | Ahhh, thank you |
| 07:37.19 | blindy | how do i find out why my raid5 array isnt mounting? |
| 07:37.36 | blindy | mdadm --detail /dev/md0 says clean, all drives fine etc |
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| 07:42.32 | pflanze | How can I find out about printers in 'my' network? |
| 07:43.21 | pflanze | I've read that cups receives broadcasts sent all 30 seconds and that lpstat -p should show the printers, but alas it only shows my own printers I have at home (but are not present here). |
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| 07:46.32 | blindy | i cant mount my raid5 storage, this is from dmesg | tail JFS: nTxBlock = 8074, nTxLock = 64599 |
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| 07:48.53 | pflanze | blindy: so is it a problem with raid5 or with JFS? |
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| 07:50.19 | blindy | i dont know, i dont kno how to find out |
| 07:50.28 | blindy | mdadm says the raid is fine |
| 07:50.34 | blindy | so its either the fs or something else |
| 07:52.27 | pflanze | blindy: if you can cat the blockdevice representing the raid without getting an error either from cat nor from the kernel, then it shouldn't be related to raid. |
| 07:52.55 | pflanze | also, isn't this just a notice? do you have any problem at all? |
| 07:53.34 | blindy | df -h says its not mounted |
| 07:54.13 | pflanze | what does the mount program say? |
| 07:54.28 | blindy | mount /dev/lvm-raid5/lvm0 /storage |
| 07:54.28 | blindy | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/lvm--raid5-lvm0, |
| 07:54.28 | blindy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.28 | blindy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.28 | blindy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:55.37 | blindy | http://pastebin.com/m6305cd9a |
| 07:56.40 | pflanze | why does dmesg|tail only show one line? |
| 07:57.00 | blindy | that was the only relevant line |
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| 07:57.23 | blindy | ah fixed |
| 07:57.30 | blindy | had to fun jfs_fsck |
| 07:57.38 | blindy | run*, probably didnt shut down properly |
| 07:57.46 | giovani | pflanze: it doesn't here -- but you can specify the number of lines you want tail to read by default |
| 07:57.53 | giovani | maybe you somehow got that set to "1" |
| 07:57.55 | giovani | instead of 10 |
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| 07:57.58 | giovani | which is the default |
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| 07:58.22 | pflanze | giovani: I was asking why blindy showed only one line in his output. |
| 07:58.36 | Gentoon1616 | How can I undo 'sudo passswd" |
| 07:58.45 | giovani | pflanze: ah, my misinterpretation then |
| 07:59.00 | giovani | Gentoon1616: what do you mean "undo? |
| 07:59.06 | giovani | you can change the password again ... |
| 07:59.10 | giovani | but there's no "undo" |
| 08:00.13 | Gentoon1616 | Well aparently i broke the Ubuntus way of rooting cause anytime something needs root it asks me to type in the password and says it could sudo |
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| 08:00.40 | giovani | say that again? |
| 08:00.44 | giovani | first of all, this is #debian |
| 08:00.46 | giovani | not #ubuntu |
| 08:01.08 | Gentoon1616 | yes I am aware of this |
| 08:01.18 | giovani | so why are you asking about ubuntu here? |
| 08:01.26 | Gentoon1616 | Can't get any support there they all just bs, it is annoting |
| 08:01.36 | Gentoon1616 | annoying even |
| 08:01.39 | giovani | well you bringing this here is a bit annoying :) |
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| 08:01.48 | Gentoon1616 | Maybe for you.. |
| 08:01.50 | giovani | I don't understand what the problem is -- try restating it slowly |
| 08:01.57 | Gentoon1616 | The question still applies |
| 08:02.07 | stew | Gentoon1616: if you don't like the support in #ubuntu, try a ubuntu mailing list or web forum. we can't help you here, sorry |
| 08:02.09 | giovani | your question was not phrased clearly -- try again |
| 08:02.16 | Gentoon1616 | No I will wait for a non ubuntu hater |
| 08:02.25 | giovani | I don't hate ubuntu -- I use it extensively |
| 08:02.27 | stew | Gentoon1616: please don't ask ubuntu questions here |
| 08:02.27 | Gentoon1616 | No need to start a distro war lol |
| 08:02.36 | giovani | nobody's starting a distro war |
| 08:02.41 | giovani | you're in the wrong place for support, period |
| 08:02.53 | Gentoon1616 | It is not against the rules, sorry. I read them twice. |
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| 08:03.01 | stew | Gentoon1616: it is against the rules |
| 08:03.06 | dondelelcaro | Gentoon1616: it's not on topic here, so yes, it is. |
| 08:03.14 | Gentoon1616 | No, it is NOT. Try reading them. |
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| 08:03.21 | maligor | ask on #ubuntu, mhm |
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| 08:11.33 | muhoo | why is this failing: |
| 08:11.37 | muhoo | ssh remotehost sudo sh -c "echo 'fu bar' > /tmp/fubar" |
| 08:11.56 | muhoo | ssh remotehost sudo sh -c "echo 'fu bar' > /tmp/fubar" ... when i do that, '/tmp/fubar has got nothing but a blank line! |
| 08:12.08 | muhoo | ssh -n remotehost sudo sh -c "echo 'fu bar' > /tmp/fubar" doesn't help |
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| 08:12.53 | muhoo | but doing it WITHOUT the ssh, works fine if i log into the machine with an interactive session |
| 08:13.10 | muhoo | i.e., this'll work: sudo sh -c "echo 'fu bar' > /tmp/fubar" |
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| 08:21.36 | blindy | anybody got a link to how to redirect local emails to root to a hotmail address using a POP server? |
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| 08:26.22 | dondelelcaro | blindy: uh... you wouldn't use POP |
| 08:26.39 | blindy | smtp i mean |
| 08:26.43 | dondelelcaro | blindy: you'd juse nullmailer or similar to send them to the account using a smarthost |
| 08:27.02 | blindy | i want to use googles smtp server to redirect my emails to my hotmail account |
| 08:27.27 | dondelelcaro | blindy: that's fine; use nullmailer to send them to your hotmail account via google's smtp server. |
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| 08:27.37 | blindy | ok, shall google |
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| 08:29.50 | acu | is any tool which monitors the apache webserver and tells you what ip addresses are browsing your website ? |
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| 08:30.32 | giovani | acantha: tail -f /var/log/apache.log :) |
| 08:30.37 | giovani | sorry, acu |
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| 08:31.39 | onGAVEZyrke | Willkomt aus TrOLLlz-land |
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| 08:32.01 | liable | onGAVEZyrke: english? |
| 08:32.02 | onGAVEZyrke | Heavy TRoLLz Attak Warning! |
| 08:32.20 | onGAVEZyrke | english. okay |
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| 08:33.12 | acu | thanks giovani I will try |
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| 08:38.27 | multi_io | has anyone succeeded in getting qemu to run with kqemu? If so, what package versions do you use? |
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| 08:42.17 | liable | a long time ago, yeah |
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| 08:51.43 | coniptor | Anyone here have mrtg start complaining about two copies of RRDs.pm when there is only one after upgrading from etch to lenny? |
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| 08:53.35 | CaT[t3] | conip: find ./ -name RRDs.pm |
| 08:53.40 | CaT[t3] | conip: find / -name RRDs.pm |
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| 08:56.08 | coniptor | I have two copies bu not really /usr/lib/perl5/RRDs.pm and /mnt/tmp/usr/lib/perl5/RRDs.pm. The second is not in the library path or shouldn't be and is just a drive backup from before I moved to a LUKS cryptroot. |
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| 08:56.33 | coniptor | CaT[t3]: find / -name RRDs.pm returns the same |
| 08:56.41 | coniptor | Here is the error I keeping getting mailed to me |
| 08:56.43 | coniptor | WARN: found several copies of RRDs.pm in your path: /usr/lib/perl5/, /usr/lib/perl5 I will be using /usr/lib/perl5/. This could be a problem if this is an old copy and you think I would be using a newer one! |
| 08:58.01 | CaT[t3] | con: not sure then. try stracing the process |
| 08:58.36 | coniptor | ok |
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| 09:04.55 | coniptor | CaT[t3]: The cron job prints the same error. The strace output mentioned ./RRDs.pm as well as /usr/lib/perl5/RRDs.pm so obviously it was executing out of /usr/lib/perl5. Commented out LibAdd in mrtg.cfg and that took care of it. Thanks for the pointer. Thought I had straced it already but guess not. |
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| 09:05.49 | CaT[t3] | con: no worries. gglad to have helped. |
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| 09:06.22 | at0m|werk | dondelelcaro: thanks for banning his mibbit account, in #debian on efnet the whole domain (my fav. irc web client for at work) is banned :z |
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| 09:09.23 | asdzxc | hi |
| 09:09.40 | asdzxc | i would like to limit established connections to one IP on my server to 20 |
| 09:09.49 | asdzxc | will this work ? http://www.pastebin.sk/sk/11988/ |
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| 09:13.04 | multi_io | sound recording with snd-hda-intel and my Realtek ALC888 chip worked perfectly under 2.6.21, jittery under 2.6.25 and not at all under 2.6.28. |
| 09:13.18 | multi_io | "ready for the desktop" my ass, I say. |
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| 09:15.11 | PepperBob | hi all |
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| 09:15.42 | PepperBob | just installed docbook-xsl - now does anybody know in which path this is installed? |
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| 09:20.08 | PepperBob | ok... find is my friend ;I) |
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| 09:20.21 | simonrvn | dpkg -L package |
| 09:20.21 | dpkg | ii package 2.5-2.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 09:20.56 | simonrvn | mumbles something about dumb case insensitive databases |
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| 09:21.06 | ajavid | yo |
| 09:21.30 | simonrvn | PepperBob: ^^^ |
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| 09:22.27 | g00se | Got a 'situation'. Box has 'crashed'. Screen is milky white. Won't respond to input. Won't serve ssh. Would like to know where to start diagnostics. *Could* be something to do with X and running chroot - not sure |
| 09:22.34 | PepperBob | simonrvn, oh great.. I should have rtfm more often I guess ;) Thanks! |
| 09:23.51 | xingu | g00se: does the box respond to arp who-has? |
| 09:24.12 | xingu | g00se: ie, ping it and tcpdump the flow ("arp or icmp" filter) |
| 09:24.52 | g0rd0n | is there a command to automatically purge all packages with rc status? |
| 09:25.04 | g00se | xingu: I'll try. It responds to pin |
| 09:25.06 | xingu | g00se: ... obviously you'll need to be pinging it from another box on the same broadcast segment, but you probably assumed that |
| 09:25.06 | g00se | g |
| 09:25.20 | xingu | g00se: ok so that tells you that the kernel is still functioning |
| 09:25.47 | xingu | g00se: unfortunately if the vga is hosed statewise (X, "milky-white display") then your options are limited |
| 09:26.18 | g00se | xingu: Wonder why (if) X could have taken down ssh? |
| 09:26.26 | xingu | g00se: X11's driver is a bit-banging user mode process; switching vt requires that the user process re-init the vt mode you're switching to |
| 09:26.49 | xingu | g00se: it's not highly probable; running out of memory could do both... |
| 09:27.02 | g00se | xingu: I see |
| 09:27.17 | xingu | g00se: have you tried the c-a-bs sequence to kill the xorg process? |
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| 09:27.48 | g00se | xingu: I think i did. I'll try again |
| 09:28.36 | xingu | g00se: ok so beyond this your options start to get fairly limited; most debugging requires a sane console of some description - virtual or physical |
| 09:28.42 | g00se | xingu: Nada |
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| 09:29.59 | at0m|werk | g00se: do you have physical access to the box? or is it hosted somewhere eh |
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| 09:30.47 | at0m|werk | oh right, looks local |
| 09:31.14 | xingu | g00se: you can use sysreq to sync your mounts, unmount them, and boot |
| 09:32.01 | xingu | g00se: apart from that, a-sysreq-f (invoke oom_kill) might help |
| 09:32.04 | g00se_ | xingu: Ah, i thought there was a radical interrupt involving the SysReq *key* |
| 09:32.53 | xingu | g00se: a-sysrq-s is sync, u is unmount, b is boot, c is kexec reboot if your kernel/userland are set up for kernel crashdumps |
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| 09:33.29 | g00se_ | xingu: I fear it needs to be a hard poweroff - someone needs to use the box ;-) |
| 09:33.51 | xingu | g00se: if it still responds to ping then sysrq should also be working |
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| 09:34.24 | xingu | g00se: you may want to install watchdog using either a chipset TCO timer if you have one or softdog failing that |
| 09:34.30 | g00se_ | xingu: I seem to vaguely recall that needs to be preconfigured to work |
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| 09:34.46 | g00se_ | (SysRq) |
| 09:34.50 | xingu | g00se: sysrq? no, it's there by default (compile time option) |
| 09:35.00 | g00se_ | xingu: Ah |
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| 09:35.57 | g00se_ | xingu: I don't want to prejudge but this tends to happen when i chroot then use X and then someone else comes and uses X outside the chroot |
| 09:36.38 | xingu | g00se: possible; not sure how the xorg locking works |
| 09:37.02 | xingu | g00se: what you're testing there is concurrent access to the same physical vga from two kernel namespace contexts |
| 09:37.08 | g00se_ | xingu: Feels like it's asking for trouble anyway... |
| 09:37.12 | xingu | g00se: I'd suggest the result is undefined. :) |
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| 09:38.58 | g00se_ | xingu: Maybe i ensured access in the chroot in the wrong way - i had the bright idea of copying the Xauthority file into the chroot |
| 09:39.24 | g00se_ | xingu: Works fine when only i'm using the box |
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| 09:43.07 | xingu | heh, you know you've got enough memory in your workstation when - a bruteforce rgrep across /usr completes in seconds |
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| 09:44.37 | g00se_ | Just had an idea (i don't know enough about X so just feeling my way): instead of ssh -X host then chroot, maybe i should ssh host, chroot *then* get X forwarded..? |
| 09:45.15 | grummund | hi, could anybody explain the difference between alsa-source and alsa-drivers pls? |
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| 09:49.03 | xingu | grummund: at a guess, alsa-source is the debian packaged variant (that is integrated with module-assist) |
| 09:50.31 | at0m|werk | or alsa-drivers are pre-compiled for a kernel, while alsa-source can be compiled for any kernel |
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| 09:51.29 | grummund | hmmm, ok. i'm just trying to get an old removed driver installed for lenny |
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| 09:52.15 | grummund | the wiki has full list of instructions http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx i'm just curious to understand what's going on... |
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| 09:52.32 | grummund | alsa-driver_1.0.16-1.1.dsc |
| 09:53.08 | grummund | i take it this is the 'source' package for the precompiled drivers ^^ ? |
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| 09:54.42 | g00se_ | grummund: Tried just doing m-a and selecting alsa? |
| 09:54.44 | xingu | grummund: yup seems to be; alsa-driver is the source package for alsa-source |
| 09:55.10 | xingu | grummund: building alsa-source and installing it will then let you use m-a to finally build the actual kernel modules. |
| 09:58.07 | grummund | xingu: let me get this right... |
| 09:58.12 | grummund | alsa-driver.*.dsc provides the original source (including firmware blob) |
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| 09:58.56 | grummund | from the .dsc package, alsa-source.deb can be built using dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:59.17 | grummund | then the alsa-source.deb is installed |
| 09:59.43 | xingu | grummund: .dsc is just a textfile that references the .diff and .tar.gz/.tar.bz2 of the same-named package source, but yes, where you're going is right |
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| 09:59.58 | grummund | then the kernel module is built using module-assistant |
| 10:00.09 | xingu | grummund: yup; convoluted isn't it ;) |
| 10:00.20 | grummund | sure is ;) |
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| 10:01.11 | xingu | grummund: the same source package (-drivers) almost certainly builds userspace stuff *too* in addition to -source; so alsa libs, headers, and probably a -common package with docs/ dir structure/ etcfiles/ init scripts |
| 10:01.52 | xingu | grummund: whereas -source (via m-a) will *only* build a kernel module or thirty. |
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| 10:02.34 | grummund | right ok. and there will be a singe alsa-source.*.deb to support all kernels? |
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| 10:07.43 | xingu | grummund: that's the bit that m-a takes care of |
| 10:07.48 | NeoProg | Hello |
| 10:08.21 | NeoProg | is debian lenny support soft-raid controler ? |
| 10:08.37 | grummund | xingu: out of interest, where would the kernel module come from for a user not installing from source? |
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| 10:09.35 | xingu | grummund: I believe aloith autobuilds the source packages against the stable kernels for each arch |
| 10:09.45 | xingu | grummund: don't quote me on that though. |
| 10:09.58 | grummund | ok. thanks for that. ;) |
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| 10:10.26 | grummund | hopefully i will have sound working again soon ;) |
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| 10:15.28 | ComradeHaz | Hi all. I'm really rubbish at remembering how permission numbers work... How do I set my home so no other users can read, view or execute? |
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| 10:16.24 | ideamonk_ | hey someone tell me this - in firefox, when i click browse on a website to select a file for upload, the dialog box which pops up... who creates it, firefox or gnome ? |
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| 10:17.44 | JyZyXEL | ideamonk_ well firefox ofcourse |
| 10:17.48 | ideamonk_ | hmm |
| 10:18.20 | ideamonk_ | i gota usability issue with the way it pops up |
| 10:18.21 | ideamonk_ | http://ideamonk.blogspot.com/2009/03/trying-to-make-ubuntu-better.html |
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| 10:18.32 | ideamonk_ | it seems that the width of the window |
| 10:18.48 | ideamonk_ | depends on number of extensions in the filter |
| 10:18.51 | ComradeHaz | ideamonk_: ar you using debian? |
| 10:18.59 | ideamonk_ | im on ubuntu |
| 10:19.05 | ComradeHaz | ah |
| 10:19.06 | ideamonk_ | isn't it based on debian ? |
| 10:19.14 | ComradeHaz | then #ubuntu is the place to be ;) |
| 10:19.28 | ComradeHaz | we don't hafve 'firefox' |
| 10:19.29 | ideamonk_ | lol they are less responsive as you |
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| 10:19.52 | Setebos | j #vim |
| 10:19.54 | ideamonk_ | hmmm someone just replied back on #firefox |
| 10:19.56 | MaQuiche | ComradeHaz, use 700 for your permission |
| 10:19.58 | ideamonk_ | thx |
| 10:20.10 | ComradeHaz | ideamonk_: you've not asked in #ubuntu |
| 10:20.17 | ComradeHaz | I know that, because I; there ;) |
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| 10:20.38 | ComradeHaz | ta MaQuiche |
| 10:21.40 | postrach | hello, can someone help with this : http://pastebin.com/m5e4b623f ? |
| 10:21.55 | grummund | ComradeHaz: chmod go-rwx file, will maintain existing permissions for user |
| 10:22.00 | grummund | ComradeHaz: man chmod |
| 10:22.59 | ComradeHaz | hmm grummund ? |
| 10:23.09 | ComradeHaz | I want to set all files to that |
| 10:23.20 | grummund | th waht? |
| 10:23.25 | grummund | to what? |
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| 10:23.50 | ComradeHaz | 'accessible' only by the user |
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| 10:24.02 | grummund | chmod go-rwx |
| 10:24.04 | ComradeHaz | (all files in the appropriate home file anyway) |
| 10:24.10 | ComradeHaz | why not 700? |
| 10:24.18 | grummund | read man chmod |
| 10:24.46 | grummund | 700 sets the x bit for user access, even if it wasn't set. i doubt you wnt that |
| 10:25.04 | ComradeHaz | Ahhh |
| 10:25.05 | ComradeHaz | I see |
| 10:25.28 | ComradeHaz | so what does gp-rwx do? |
| 10:25.37 | ComradeHaz | is it recursive? |
| 10:25.46 | ComradeHaz | (ie will it decend into the subdirectories?) |
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| 10:26.09 | grummund | chmod -R go-rwx ~ |
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| 10:26.56 | ComradeHaz | what does the ~ signify? |
| 10:27.08 | grummund | home directory |
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| 10:27.20 | ComradeHaz | lol |
| 10:27.22 | ComradeHaz | of course :d |
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| 10:27.28 | ComradeHaz | (I juzst got out of bed ) |
| 10:27.33 | ComradeHaz | bare with me |
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| 10:27.42 | ComradeHaz | (pun unintention to my nkkidness |
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| 10:29.03 | ComradeHaz | I shouldn't run that as root should I? |
| 10:29.57 | Samb1 | hi I've had this issue with my sound since I updated from etch to lenny... the sound when watching/listening to dvds/avis/media is really really quiet.. the only way to make it almost audible is to turn the PC speaker volume up.. but that gives loads and loads of noise.. i.e hissing and clicks that are really loud |
| 10:30.08 | grummund | as oner of file to chmod'd or as root, it's up to you what damage you do... |
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| 10:30.43 | ComradeHaz | .aptitude/config, .nano_history, and.lesshst all don't allow the action |
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| 10:30.48 | ComradeHaz | I guess that's right |
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| 10:32.39 | foetus | what is a simple "if [ test ]" to read out a command on the shell in an Bashscript? |
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| 10:33.05 | foetus | (i need this for an error message) |
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| 10:34.09 | DireFog | is there any music player in post-lenny that just allows me to listen to music? With features like seeking in FLAC and WavPack (no nothing that uses xine), a useful playlist, and maybe (just maybe) a working library? |
| 10:34.12 | Neaai | If I have 2 machines in the same subnet, is it possible to use iptables on one machine for forwarding all requests to its port 80, to go to the other machine's port 80? The idea is to down the webserver in the first machine for maintenance, while the other machine serves the web contents. |
| 10:34.24 | DireFog | amarok sadly fails a few points on that checklist |
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| 10:35.56 | foetus | something like read or print? |
| 10:36.13 | DireFog | Neaai: yes |
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| 10:42.07 | Neaai | DireFog: how would I do that? I issued this: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 1.2.3.4:80 but it won't work. I expect to be missing something else too... |
| 10:42.31 | DireFog | Neaai: did you enable IP forwarding? |
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| 10:43.29 | Neaai | DireFog: good point. Not yet. the machine has one ethernet interface and I thought forwarding was sensible for two ore more ethernet configurations. |
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| 10:43.46 | DireFog | Neaai: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 10:44.28 | DireFog | if that says 0, you need to enable it (you can just echo 1 into the file) |
| 10:44.35 | Neaai | DireFog: it's zero. I'll set it at 1 |
| 10:44.57 | DireFog | if you want to set it persistently, look in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 10:46.03 | DireFog | you have no idea how much time I wasted fiddling with my NAT setup before I realized it was off. |
| 10:46.05 | Neaai | DireFog: I did set it to 1. it doesn't seem to work still. |
| 10:46.10 | DireFog | and I did that several times x-) |
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| 10:47.19 | Neaai | DireFog: it can be a bi*ch yea. :/ Im thinking I need some other rule from what I put there. I have a feel I', missing something. |
| 10:47.25 | DireFog | the nat entry seems alright |
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| 10:47.39 | DireFog | are you still getting the old server` |
| 10:47.40 | DireFog | ? |
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| 10:48.04 | Neaai | DireFog: the old server is down altogether. |
| 10:48.08 | saivin | hi, is there anybody here who is running kde4 on debian? |
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| 10:48.18 | DireFog | saivin: I did |
| 10:48.29 | saivin | how did you get it DireFog? |
| 10:48.30 | Neaai | DireFog: these commands I'm actually giving on the old server. |
| 10:48.38 | DireFog | saivin: from experimental |
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| 10:49.03 | saivin | i even added experimental but it is not instlalling. its giving broken dependencies error... |
| 10:49.16 | saivin | i tried with apt-get -t experimental install kde4-minimal |
| 10:49.18 | almost | Hello when i use the command gpg --clearsign some.txt in the some.txt file there is a gpg key but once signed the top and bottom of the key loks like this -- ------------ thesre a '-' missing |
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| 10:49.55 | bernard | hello |
| 10:49.59 | DireFog | Neaai: I have something like "-A PREROUTING -p udp -m udp --dport 2056 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.31:2056" (was for Civilization games I think) |
| 10:50.15 | saivin | then tried same line with aptitude too, though that should not make much difference... |
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| 10:50.32 | DireFog | saivin: is your system completely on unstable? |
| 10:50.45 | bernard | how can I make a static binary from a dynamic binary without recompiling ? |
| 10:51.05 | saivin | yes... only entry in sources.list is of sid and i have done update, dist-upgrade from testing... |
| 10:51.32 | saivin | is there anyway to verify by the way? |
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| 10:51.51 | Neaai | DireFog: hmm. that was on the gateway host? Seems very much alike to my own rule line, but I need to do that on the 'old' server, so it will send the packets coming to its own port 80, to the 'new' server's port 80 . |
| 10:52.17 | DireFog | Neaai: that's all done on the gateway |
| 10:52.33 | DireFog | in your case, the old server would pose as a gateway to the intermediate one |
| 10:52.54 | Neaai | DireFog: and there's no way to just tell the 'old' server something like "send these to the new server" ? |
| 10:52.54 | DireFog | note the -m and --to-destination parameters that are different from your line |
| 10:53.01 | grummund | What does cfdisk mean when it says: "WroNo primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this.e." |
| 10:53.38 | DireFog | Neaai: I'd say run e.g. nginx as a proxy, that makes it easy to switch the "real" servers areound as needed with only a config reload |
| 10:53.49 | grummund | i attempted to split a 20GB into 5 smaller partitions and got this error: http://debian.pastebin.com/m10449ccf |
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| 10:54.42 | voodoor | I've setup a debian server to backup some machine on my network. The lines that run rsync or cp run fine and my command to clear up the backups folder 'find /home/tech/backups/ -mtime +1 -type f -exec rm -f {} \;' works fine if I run manually as root but why does it fail to delete anything when run via root crontab? |
| 10:54.44 | p0g0 | liable: ping? |
| 10:55.19 | Neaai | DireFog: I'll have a look at that then. I believe that the sending of the packets works, it's just that when the 'new' server sends the reply back to the caller, the 'old' server, this 'old' server can't remember the original caller and originator of the tcp packet. |
| 10:55.29 | DireFog | and saivin: dependency problems are like a welcome hug from experimental telling you that you don't know enough about pinning ;-) |
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| 10:55.57 | p0g0 | grummund: it means that the partition table has no partition marked as bootable, and absent a boot loader like grub, the drive will not boot. |
| 10:56.17 | DireFog | Neaai: the DNAT part of iptables should really handle that... It's not like we're talking about a monstrosity like FTP here. |
| 10:56.20 | saivin | ok DireFog i did cat /etc/issue and it says squeeze/sid! does that mean i'm not pure sid? |
| 10:56.44 | Neaai | DireFog: hehe, yes that's true. |
| 10:56.57 | grummund | p0g0: but grub *is* installed. i just split a large patrition into 5 smaller chunks, didn't touch /boot |
| 10:57.06 | DireFog | saivin: check /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 10:57.17 | p0g0 | grummund: more specifically, no Primary (1-4) partition is bootable, a requirement of some DOS/Windows OS's |
| 10:57.17 | Neaai | DireFog: because firefox says this when I point it to the old server: Though the site seems valid, the browser was unable to establish a connection. |
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| 10:57.49 | grummund | p0g0: hmm, debian gnu/linux only here... |
| 10:57.50 | p0g0 | grummund: Linux can boot from non primary partitions, DOS/Win cannot. |
| 10:57.53 | DireFog | Neaai: just to make sure, can you reach the new server under its own address? |
| 10:58.04 | grummund | maybe cfdisk isn't the best tool for this? |
| 10:58.27 | p0g0 | grummund: nah, just ignore the error, I don't think it will matter to you. |
| 10:58.30 | voodoor | crontab doesn't send any errors to /var/mail regarding my deletion command, and as i say the command works fine when run as root so why not via cron? |
| 10:58.37 | saivin | DireFog: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is empty on my box... |
| 10:58.47 | Neaai | DireFog: I would if I uped the webserver. |
| 10:58.58 | at0m|werk | grummund: why not mark one partition as bootable from cfdisk? |
| 10:59.02 | ComradeHaz | Hi all. Trying to set up an automounting sshfs between my girlfriends 32bit latop and my 64 bit machine. I've got other sshfs connections working on my machine although this is the first on hers. I've got fuse installed and have added her to the fuse group and have set up passphraseless ssh keys from her account on her machine to her account on mine and permissions this end all work ok. |
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| 10:59.10 | Neaai | DireFog: currently the webserver is down there and the iptables rule is there now. |
| 10:59.14 | grummund | p0g0: ah, then just it's a warning... (?) that's alright then |
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| 10:59.56 | DireFog | Neaai: if you want to check the connectivity, you should really run a server there :-P |
| 10:59.56 | ComradeHaz | When trying to mount as her though I get "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" and when trying as root I get "read: Connection reset by peer" |
| 11:00.00 | p0g0 | grummund: well, for linux only users it's a warning, anyone else, it's a fatal error, but as at0m|werk said, you can just mark one of the partitions. |
| 11:00.10 | DireFog | and you don't really need any NAT rules on the new server |
| 11:00.12 | ComradeHaz | Can anyone tell me what IO've forgotten? |
| 11:00.20 | grummund | at0m|werk: well i could do that... i just wasn't sure. i never saw this error/warning before and i have repartitioned the disk several times already... |
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| 11:00.40 | voodoor | are there limitations as to what commands cron can run, even when its run as root? |
| 11:00.46 | DireFog | saivin: check what "apt-cache policy amarok" says |
| 11:01.01 | grummund | hmm, maybe cfdisk in etch didn't warn about this and that's why i never saw it before |
| 11:01.08 | Neaai | DireFog: yes. On the new server there's no rules at all. What I did is just down the server at the 'old' machine and put a rule there afterwards. that rule I showed above. |
| 11:01.15 | grummund | recently upgraded to lenny |
| 11:01.42 | DireFog | Neaai: as far as I can see, there is to "--to" parameter to the DNAT target |
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| 11:02.05 | DireFog | check the line I showed you and change it for your needs |
| 11:02.19 | Neaai | DireFog: I'll try that. |
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| 11:02.37 | DireFog | verify that the nat table looks as it should (iptables -t nat -nvL) |
| 11:03.39 | Boohbah_ | voodoor: no... you may have to use the full path name though |
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| 11:04.10 | saivin | DireFog: http://pastebin.com/d38ec9cbe |
| 11:04.31 | voodoor | Boohbah_: This is my cron delete line at present: |
| 11:04.33 | voodoor | find /home/tech/backups/ -mtime +1 -type f -exec rm -f {} \; |
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| 11:04.39 | saivin | DireFog: It has entries like 1 http://... experimental, 500 http://... sid |
| 11:04.46 | voodoor | Thats the full path |
| 11:04.56 | ComradeHaz | Do I need to rephrase my question? |
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| 11:05.09 | DireFog | saivin: just FYI, I have pinned unstable to 700 and experimental to 502. Trying something with a pin priority of 1 is NOT fun. |
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| 11:05.43 | Neaai | DireFog: no success. I'll see what I can find googling again... thanks for your help so far :) |
| 11:06.09 | voodoor | Boohbah: From my understanding that should work- surely I don't need to give the full path to find and rm which are certainly in the path? |
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| 11:06.18 | tomi | hi |
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| 11:06.35 | voodoor | it works when I run that command as run, just not from cron |
| 11:06.39 | ComradeHaz | Trying to set up an automounting sshfs (fstab) between my girlfriends 32bit latop and my 64 bit machine. I've got other sshfs connections working on my machine although this is the first on hers. I've got fuse installed and have added her to the fuse group and have set up passphraseless ssh keys from her account on her machine to her account on mine and permissions this end all work ok. |
| 11:06.42 | voodoor | s/run/root |
| 11:06.45 | ComradeHaz | When trying to mount as her though I get "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" and when trying as root I get "read: Connection reset by peer". Can anyone hazard a guess as to what I've forgotten? |
| 11:07.24 | voodoor | and cron is runing as root |
| 11:07.32 | cahoot | thoughtprovoking input |
| 11:07.42 | bolt | what do I need to install to get pages like http://www.theonion.com/content/video/sony_releases_new_stupid_piece_of working with video? not sure which plugin it uses |
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| 11:08.01 | voodoor | I've tried different delete commands but I have the same no delete problem- they delete as root manually but not via cron |
| 11:08.15 | tomi | my debian hung when i restart system last line i saw is Restarting system any idea? when i munmont my ntfp partition i have the same problem |
| 11:08.18 | ComradeHaz | bolt that'd be flash |
| 11:08.26 | saivin | DireFog: is is possible to share your /etc/apt/preferences file? don't know about pinning... |
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| 11:09.26 | DireFog | saivin: man apt_preferences |
| 11:09.32 | DireFog | and http://pastebin.com/m6bc4842f (don't ask) |
| 11:10.28 | ComradeHaz | bolt add the debian multimedia repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:10.32 | ComradeHaz | see http://debian-multimedia.org/faq.php too |
| 11:10.32 | Neaai | DireFog: you mentioned nginx. It says it's a "small but powerful" webserver. That's what I need to achive my needs ? |
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| 11:11.52 | DireFog | Neaai: look at the English wiki, they have an example of proxy configs there (make sure to forward the Host header). I'm using it for my private stuff and had rather good experience in a server migration |
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| 11:12.03 | ComradeHaz | bolt you then need to install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:12.23 | DireFog | oh, if you need to handle POST content, make sure you up the request limit |
| 11:12.33 | tomi | somebody can help me? |
| 11:12.44 | Neaai | DireFog: ok, I'll check all that. Thanks |
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| 11:12.56 | bolt | ComradeHaz: i have that. hm... it might be crashing then |
| 11:13.11 | bolt | ComradeHaz: using it in opera. i'll try and run it in a console and see if i get any output |
| 11:13.23 | ComradeHaz | try iceweasel |
| 11:13.29 | ComradeHaz | there are flash issues with opera |
| 11:14.43 | ComradeHaz | Trying to set up an automounting sshfs (fstab) between my girlfriends 32bit latop and my 64 bit machine. I've got other sshfs connections working on my machine although this is the first on hers. I've got fuse installed and have added her to the fuse group and have set up passphraseless ssh keys from her account on her machine to her account on mine and permissions this end all work ok. |
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| 11:14.49 | ComradeHaz | Hi all. Trying to set up an automounting sshfs between my girlfriends 32bit latop and my 64 bit machine. I've got other sshfs connections working on my machine although this is the first on hers. I've got fuse installed and have added her to the fuse group and have set up passphraseless ssh keys from her account on her machine to her account on mine and permissions this end all work ok. |
| 11:14.56 | ComradeHaz | oops |
| 11:14.58 | ComradeHaz | Sorry |
| 11:15.07 | ComradeHaz | When trying to mount as her though I get "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" and when trying as root I get "read: Connection reset by peer". Can anyone hazard a guess as to what I've forgotten? |
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| 11:15.47 | DireFog | ComradeHaz: her user ist not member of the fuse group? |
| 11:15.59 | ComradeHaz | It is, as I said |
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| 11:16.20 | gionn | you should logout/login after adding user to a group |
| 11:16.29 | gionn | also do ls -l /dev/fuse |
| 11:16.30 | ComradeHaz | oh? |
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| 11:16.56 | ComradeHaz | crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2009-03-07 10:44 /dev/fuse |
| 11:17.15 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 11:17.18 | gionn | so members of fuse group should access it |
| 11:17.30 | ComradeHaz | logging out and back in is a bit of an issue |
| 11:17.35 | gionn | double check you added it to the right group |
| 11:17.40 | ComradeHaz | she's logged me in and gone to a meeting :D |
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| 11:18.13 | gionn | ComradeHaz, you can temporarly change permission to /dev/fuse |
| 11:18.22 | ComradeHaz | yer |
| 11:18.25 | ComradeHaz | don;t like that though |
| 11:18.32 | ComradeHaz | I'll wait for her to come back |
| 11:18.42 | multi_io | log in on another terminal? |
| 11:18.48 | ComradeHaz | if it's as simple as logging her out and back in I guess it'll be ok |
| 11:18.56 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 11:18.59 | ComradeHaz | I have root |
| 11:19.03 | ComradeHaz | so I could couldn;t I |
| 11:19.22 | ComradeHaz | ok |
| 11:19.29 | ComradeHaz | so it works as her now |
| 11:19.35 | ComradeHaz | but still get connection reset by peer |
| 11:19.36 | multi_io | you could also su - root, then su - herusername |
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| 11:19.43 | multi_io | hm |
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| 11:22.19 | ComradeHaz | gah |
| 11:22.23 | ComradeHaz | this is frustrating |
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| 11:26.16 | ComradeHaz | lol |
| 11:26.56 | ComradeHaz | you're not gonna believe this, but all I had to do was change the permissions of the mount point on her machine to be owned by her - seems the error message has little bearing on the problem :D |
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| 11:30.26 | JyZyXEL | how long are you supposed to boil eggs? |
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| 11:30.44 | ComradeHaz | depends how hard you want them |
| 11:30.49 | ComradeHaz | 3 to 6 minutes? |
| 11:31.10 | ComradeHaz | now go and ask in #culinary or some such how long to do the toast for ;) |
| 11:31.20 | JyZyXEL | i want them as hard as they ge |
| 11:31.31 | ComradeHaz | 8min then ;) |
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| 11:34.00 | dob1 | hi, i want to upgrade to lenny, but now i am using lilo and changing it to grub don't know if it can't create me a problem, i am just connected to ssh to that pc and if it doesn't book i am in trouble, there is a test that i can do to be sure that grub is correct installed ? |
| 11:34.10 | dob1 | *boot |
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| 11:34.50 | ComradeHaz | lol dob1! I'm staying out of this :D |
| 11:35.08 | dob1 | what do you mean? |
| 11:35.29 | ComradeHaz | I don;t want to be the one you blame when you lose contact with your machine :D |
| 11:35.40 | dob1 | ah thanks :) |
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| 11:56.09 | Geek`N`Proud` | multi_io, that is easy to sort |
| 11:56.14 | Geek`N`Proud` | oops |
| 11:56.23 | Geek`N`Proud` | :$ damn.. forgot where my scrollbar was |
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| 12:48.47 | ComradeHaz | Hmm, can anyone think what wuld be happening if I'm ssh'ed to a remote machine with -X but running iceweasel there still starts a session local to my machine? |
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| 12:51.30 | hark | use -no-remote |
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| 12:54.01 | ComradeHaz | what does that do and what's happening? |
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| 12:55.30 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 12:55.35 | ComradeHaz | that's not a valid option |
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| 12:57.46 | hark | no, i misread the question. -no-remote is an iceweasel option |
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| 12:59.44 | hark | but it should work with it |
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| 13:01.56 | hark | ComradeHaz: does that option help? |
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| 13:15.03 | hark | !poke ComradeHaz |
| 13:15.03 | dpkg | pokes ComradeHaz with a cattle prod |
| 13:15.36 | Sepho | hi everybody |
| 13:15.38 | Sepho | someone knows why when I try to install directx9 with winetricks show me a message telling "You are not administrator user, you need to log in as administrator" ?? |
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| 13:16.14 | hark | ew |
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| 13:17.00 | bolt | Sepho: #wine |
| 13:17.15 | hark | Sepho: try #winehq |
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| 13:18.19 | miro | newbie question, how can i send log to email from command line ? |
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| 13:18.38 | abrotman | cat foo | mail you@your.com |
| 13:18.50 | abrotman | assuming your mail is setup correctly |
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| 13:20.39 | miro | abrotman: don't have any settings,getting bash: mail: command not found |
| 13:21.15 | tomi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.22 | tomi | please help me |
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| 13:21.53 | gigo | i upgraded to squeeze, but I don't find gnome 2.24 |
| 13:22.02 | gigo | i still have 2.22 |
| 13:22.04 | miro | abrotman: what and i can configure ? |
| 13:22.12 | abrotman | miro: do you have the mailutils package installed ? |
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| 13:22.27 | abrotman | !find bin/mail$ lenny |
| 13:22.56 | gigo | can someone please tell when gnome 2.24 will be available in squeeze? |
| 13:23.10 | abrotman | gigo: is it in sid yet? |
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| 13:23.21 | gigo | abrotman, I don't know. is it? |
| 13:23.25 | abrotman | no .. |
| 13:23.31 | gigo | ok |
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| 13:23.43 | gigo | squeeze is the current testing version, right? |
| 13:23.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mail' (1): (/usr/bin/mail) in mail/mailutils. |
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| 13:24.18 | abrotman | gigo: yes, but i don't believe gnome2.24 has entered unstable yet .. and after that happens,they'll take care of some bugs and then it will go to squeeze |
| 13:24.32 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-panel |
| 13:24.33 | judd | abrotman: gnome-panel -- etch: 2.14.3-6 lenny: 2.20.3-5 sid: 2.20.3-5 squeeze: 2.20.3-5 experimental: 2.24.2-3 |
| 13:24.43 | abrotman | so .24 is in experimental |
| 13:24.58 | miro | abrotman: thank you |
| 13:25.03 | abrotman | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.24-status.html |
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| 13:29.48 | Mastro | hi all |
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| 13:38.16 | agnitio | Hello, I am having troubles with my wireless NIC iwl3945. It will not work at boot, claiming that the hardware rf kill switch is active. If I suspend my laptop to RAM however, the wireless will work perfectly when I resume. |
| 13:38.23 | tomi | have somebody problem with reboot after suspend?? |
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| 13:38.35 | agnitio | I have tried to modprobe iwl3945 with the "disable_hw_scan=1" option, but it won't work |
| 13:38.47 | agnitio | oh, and I'm running lenny |
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| 13:40.42 | amphi | agnitio: it might be worth having a look under /sys/class/rfkill after booting |
| 13:40.57 | agnitio | amphi: I don't seem to have that |
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| 13:43.09 | amphi | you may need to modprobe rfkill |
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| 13:44.17 | tomi | agnitio: try ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 13:49.31 | amphi | agnitio: then you should be able to see the state of the card's rfkill at boot time, and if necessary, set it to what you want (0 I believe) in /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 13:49.46 | sampaio | Hi ppl :D could someone help me with this type of error? libxml2-dev: Depend: libxml2 (= 2.6.32.dfsg-5) but 2.6.27.dfsg-6 is to be install already made apt-get update and clean my source list only to official rep |
| 13:52.12 | agnitio | amphi: I don't have a /etc/sysfs.conf either |
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| 13:52.41 | amphi | agnitio: you'll need to install sysfsutils for that |
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| 13:52.49 | sylar2 | hello |
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| 13:53.05 | sylar2 | I am trying to copy my system using knoppix |
| 13:53.09 | agnitio | tomi: I've tried that, but it says that there is no such interface (even though I can see it if I run ifconfig -a) |
| 13:53.15 | agnitio | amphi: ok, I'll do that |
| 13:53.26 | sylar2 | and I have problem mounting the md raid that I made |
| 13:53.41 | amphi | agnitio: for now, you only need to modprobe rfkill, you can fiddle with sysfs manually |
| 13:54.03 | amphi | agnitio: if it turns out, you need to set some sysfs var at boottime, then you want sysfsutils |
| 13:54.45 | sylar2 | anyone know how to mount the raid array from a live cd? |
| 13:54.58 | agnitio | amphi: I modprobed rfkill, but /sys/class/rfkill is empty |
| 13:55.50 | abrotman | sampaio: put your sources.list in a paste.debian.net |
| 13:56.04 | sylar2 | help? |
| 13:57.02 | sampaio | ok |
| 13:57.13 | amphi | agnitio: odd |
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| 13:57.54 | agnitio | well, I forgot to add that I don't have a hardware rf kill switch |
| 13:58.09 | sylar2 | amphi? |
| 13:58.12 | amphi | ah ;) |
| 13:58.20 | amphi | sylar2: ¿ |
| 13:58.24 | sampaio | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/29957/ |
| 13:58.47 | sylar2 | amphi, any chance you know to mount mdadm raid5 from knoppix live cd? |
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| 13:59.05 | amphi | agnitio: I do have an rfkill switch on mine, which I regret |
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| 13:59.20 | amphi | sylar2: none whatsoever |
| 13:59.25 | sylar2 | I made a raid5 in etch, and I want to copy everything to it |
| 13:59.26 | agnitio | amphi: well, at least you can turn it off when the kernel thinks it's on ;) |
| 13:59.31 | sylar2 | but it doesnt mount |
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| 13:59.50 | sylar2 | ok amphi |
| 14:00.04 | amphi | agnitio: the only time I turn it off is accidentally while moving the laptop ;) |
| 14:00.10 | sylar2 | anyone tried making a bootcdwrite? |
| 14:00.22 | amphi | I must cover it with tape |
| 14:00.26 | sylar2 | I wonder if that might help |
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| 14:01.41 | agnitio | amphi: Yes I know that they can be annoying... but having to put your laptop to sleep everytime you boot it just to get wireless to work is also annoying |
| 14:01.57 | agnitio | it's strange, it worked perfectly on my previous distro, with the same kernel I believe |
| 14:02.09 | agnitio | must be some kernel setting or something |
| 14:03.22 | amphi | agnitio: sure |
| 14:03.59 | ComradeHaz | sorry hark |
| 14:04.03 | ComradeHaz | no it didn't |
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| 14:04.14 | ComradeHaz | doesn't appear to be a valid option |
| 14:04.30 | ComradeHaz | I've stared an xtightserver instead :) |
| 14:04.37 | abrotman | sampaio: are you trying to run etch or stable ? |
| 14:06.29 | tomi | hi everyone have someone problem with reboot after suspend laptop? |
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| 14:09.52 | osfd_ | Hello, do you know what I need to do some dev in ncurses (debian -- lenny)...please |
| 14:10.14 | abrotman | libncurses-dev ? |
| 14:10.42 | osfd_ | abrotman: that's it ?! O_o |
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| 14:10.56 | abrotman | unless your question was worded poorly |
| 14:12.02 | hark | ComradeHaz: it was "iceweasel -no-remote" |
| 14:12.08 | osfd_ | abrotman: hhmm, I just wanna try to do some dev with ncurses lib.. |
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| 14:14.29 | abrotman | osfd_: compile or write code? |
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| 14:15.15 | osfd_ | abrotman: write and compile... |
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| 14:17.11 | osfd_ | abrotman: excuse my newbyness but wouldn't that be frustrating to write code and not compile it ? |
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| 14:17.20 | abrotman | no |
| 14:17.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:18.01 | osfd_ | abrotman: I don't get it... |
| 14:18.20 | abrotman | osfd_: so you want to know how to code ncurses? or how to get the source code in debian ? |
| 14:18.50 | johnco | How do I disable the password cache, every time I want to do update or whatever screen says, Granted permissions without password, I do not think that is the way it is supposed to be? |
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| 14:19.06 | abrotman | don't use sudo ? |
| 14:19.40 | johnco | No, it does not ask for passwords, or I am doing something very wrong |
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| 14:20.13 | osfd_ | abrotman: actually, I've used finch for a week and I'm amazed by the frontend...I've been looking for a nice way to do FE for a while and I wanna try ncurses |
| 14:20.40 | abrotman | sounds like an exercise in pain :) |
| 14:20.48 | abrotman | johnco: you're using sudo .. dont do that |
| 14:20.59 | johnco | Ouch |
| 14:21.01 | johnco | ok |
| 14:21.10 | abrotman | johnco: or change the timeout on the sudo setup |
| 14:21.12 | johnco | Thank you |
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| 14:21.28 | abrotman | i'm sure the sudo docs tell you how to do that |
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| 14:21.52 | johnco | am looking now |
| 14:23.06 | mrglinux | hi I add my user mrg to vu2001 group and reverse means add user vu2001 to mrg so I have uid=1001(mrg) gid=1000(mrg) groups=1000(mrg),2001(vu2001) and uid=2001(vu2001) gid=2001(vu2001) groups=2001(vu2001),1000(mrg) || but with mrg user I can not go to vu2001 directory and got permission denied . why ? |
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| 14:26.49 | ComradeHaz | oh hark? And what does that do? |
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| 14:27.40 | osfd_ | abrotman: dpkg tells me to install libncurses5-dev....thank you |
| 14:27.42 | universa1 | mhm, i'm having a problem with connecting to a server using ssh. if i'm doing it through my home connection the server closes the connection after 15-20s, if i connect through my university's vpn it works fine. other servers are also working fine. |
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| 14:29.21 | universa1 | is there some place i should check? the connection is showing up in netstat, but nothing comes up in auth.log |
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| 14:32.29 | valentin__ | Im trying to setup an encrypted loopdevice using a 2 gig file filled with zero's. "losetup -e aes-256 /dev/loop0 /dev/sda1" |
| 14:32.54 | hark | ComradeHaz: tells firefox to not connect to any existing running instance. seems it does it if on the same DISPLAY |
| 14:32.54 | valentin__ | But im getting errors: "ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Das Argument ist ungĂźltig" What am i doing wrong? |
| 14:33.28 | valentin__ | Translation: The Argument is not valid |
| 14:33.33 | jayeola | hi guys. i'm looking for elisp documentation for emacs. would it be better to ask here or at #emacs? |
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| 14:33.54 | jayeola | oh, btw /me is running lenny |
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| 14:35.41 | hark | ComradeHaz: see http://bugs.debian.org/352809 for an explanation and some solutions if no-remote did not work |
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| 14:41.55 | batcoder-7 | anyone here know why firefox is slow scrolling on some pages |
| 14:42.05 | batcoder-7 | just on the linux version so far though |
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| 14:43.18 | abrotman | batcoder-7: flash? java ? |
| 14:43.26 | batcoder-7 | huh? |
| 14:43.36 | batcoder-7 | no flash or java on the page no |
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| 14:44.55 | oz123 | hi |
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| 14:45.25 | oz123 | can someone help with a simple bash script ? I want bash to print out 'yes' if file has some word... |
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| 14:47.55 | abrotman | oz123: ask #bash |
| 14:48.15 | batcoder-7 | where is the xorg.conf? |
| 14:48.28 | batcoder-7 | it was always in usr lib for me |
| 14:48.29 | oz123 | abortman, thank found a solution |
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| 14:49.35 | deadbeef | hi there, excuseme: i'm having a problem with Debian squeeze |
| 14:49.45 | deadbeef | i'm trying to aptitude install moonlight, but: |
| 14:49.55 | deadbeef | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.55 | deadbeef | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:50.04 | deadbeef | any idea on how could i solve that? |
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| 14:51.16 | themill | oz123: grep is your friend. man grep and look at the -q option. grep -q word file && echo yes |
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| 14:51.31 | hark | deadbeef: which version of debian? |
| 14:51.49 | deadbeef | hark: squeeze |
| 14:51.52 | deadbeef | the new testing |
| 14:52.17 | Morten_ | Hi, i have a little question. When I use aptitude search <something> and there is an A infront of the package, what does that mean? |
| 14:52.22 | themill | judd versions moonlight |
| 14:52.22 | judd | themill: moonlight -- lenny-multimedia: 1.0~b2-0.1 sid-multimedia: 1.0-0.0 |
| 14:52.34 | oz123 | themill, thanks, I found it. Making my ways around bash scripting. I know how to do in python :-) but I'd like to learn more bash |
| 14:52.36 | hark | deadbeef: can't install it then |
| 14:52.42 | deadbeef | omg |
| 14:52.51 | deadbeef | :( |
| 14:52.55 | themill | deadbeef: where is this moonlight package from? |
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| 14:53.11 | hark | deadbeef: what does apt-cache policy moonlight say? |
| 14:53.19 | deadbeef | w8 |
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| 14:53.21 | Mr_Bunny_ | I'm having trouble finding the wwwroot or indeed any scripts installed by the Lenny awstats package. This is the entire output of sudo find / -iname awstats : http://pastebin.com/d4fdfa995 |
| 14:53.50 | deadbeef | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.50 | deadbeef | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:54.00 | themill | dpkg: tell deadbeef about paste |
| 14:54.37 | themill | deadbeef: you're (a) playing with sid and (b) using 3rd party repos... play with fire, get burnt. |
| 14:55.02 | deadbeef | ok, i'll get rid of 3rd party repos |
| 14:55.06 | deadbeef | thanks |
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| 14:56.10 | themill | deadbeef: the plugin from http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/ works for me as an alternative solution |
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| 14:56.37 | deadbeef | thanks a lot themill |
| 14:56.42 | deadbeef | <3 |
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| 14:57.19 | hark | deadbeef: you have to wait until gnome gets updated in squeeze. can take a while... |
| 14:57.41 | hark | there's no squeeze marillat repo yet? |
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| 14:58.13 | deadbeef | anyway themill's solution is working for me |
| 14:58.17 | deadbeef | thanks a lot again guys |
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| 14:59.00 | XTF | Hi. I'd like to setup Debian Lenny in bridge mode with traffic shaping, so each host gets a fair share of the bandwidth. Are there any how-to's for this? |
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| 14:59.58 | flower | how do I set up a sid chroot environment to build packages? |
| 15:00.16 | abrotman | XTF: why not as a router with wondershaper? |
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| 15:01.08 | hark | deadbeef: changing unstable to squeeze or testing would have worked there |
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| 15:01.47 | deadbeef | i had both unstable and testing for debian-unofficial |
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| 15:02.16 | hark | deadbeef: debian-multimedia; http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/package/moonlight.php |
| 15:02.17 | deadbeef | pardon |
| 15:02.19 | deadbeef | debian-multimedia |
| 15:02.23 | XTF | abrotman: I've got wireless on the router ATM. Doesn't wondershaper work with a bridge as well? |
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| 15:02.48 | hark | deadbeef: yeah, it takes the latest version, so remove the 'unstable' line |
| 15:02.52 | abrotman | XTF: i would assume so |
| 15:03.07 | abrotman | XTF: i believe tldp has a bridging how to |
| 15:03.29 | abrotman | !tell xtf about bridge setup |
| 15:05.13 | XTF | abrotman: Some of those docs seem to be so old... Linux 2.4 ;) |
| 15:05.29 | abrotman | don't think it's really changed much |
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| 15:07.35 | mavhc | that is the general problem with docs though, no use-by date |
| 15:07.55 | flower | I think I have a chroot environment here. How do I enter it? |
| 15:09.04 | osfd_ | #amule |
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| 15:11.20 | dob1 | hi, upgrading to lenny after aptitude upgrade i get this http://rafb.net/p/QMSUyD98.html |
| 15:11.24 | dob1 | how can i resolve? |
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| 15:11.45 | dob1 | first before this i run apt-get install apt |
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| 15:13.58 | abrotman | you're supposed to do more than that .. the release notes tell you that |
| 15:14.01 | hark | do a dist-upgrade |
| 15:14.57 | themill | that's *not* what the release notes tell you to do |
| 15:15.29 | oz123 | where do I have to put bash scripts in order to excute them ? |
| 15:15.46 | oz123 | shouldn't this be /usr/bin ? |
| 15:15.59 | valdyn | oz123: no |
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| 15:16.07 | simonrvn | local mods should go in /usr/local |
| 15:16.12 | valdyn | oz123: you can put them anywhere |
| 15:16.12 | hark | let him try then, he'll have to do a dist-upgrade |
| 15:16.20 | valdyn | oz123: just not /usr/bin |
| 15:16.23 | dob1 | abrotman: i run dist-upgrade and i don't care about this? release note seems said this |
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| 15:16.48 | simonrvn | or /opt or /usr/opt (i prefer /usr/local) |
| 15:16.50 | oz123 | valdyn, then where ? I tried usr local but bash complains he can't find the script I put there |
| 15:17.07 | simonrvn | oz123: add /usr/local/bin to your PATH |
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| 15:17.26 | simonrvn | make sure it's set exec |
| 15:17.33 | oz123 | simonrvn, this is not already by default ? |
| 15:17.40 | valdyn | i was sure that /usr/local/bin/ is in $PATH by default |
| 15:17.43 | ser | do you know any tools to create/mount yaffs2 partition on x86 or amd64 debian? |
| 15:17.51 | simonrvn | didn't used to be, i think it is now.. check it. |
| 15:18.17 | abrotman | dob1: the release notes tell you to alter your sources, do an aptitude update .. aptitude install aptitude .. you may also wnat to install dpkg/apt at that time |
| 15:18.25 | abrotman | seems to recall dpkg gets pulled in |
| 15:18.30 | johnco | How much does this cost at a store and is a Manual included? |
| 15:18.35 | djace | how can i check which installed packages depend on a package? |
| 15:18.39 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages |
| 15:18.46 | valdyn | johnco: how much is what? |
| 15:18.59 | abrotman | djace: aptitude why |
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| 15:19.06 | dob1 | abrotman: i am following release not, i did as you said and i am at the step of aptitude upgrade and i get what i paste |
| 15:19.11 | johnco | valdyn: Debian5 |
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| 15:19.29 | valdyn | johnco: its free software, stores can charge whatever they want |
| 15:19.29 | abrotman | dob1: paste your sources.list and `apt-cache policy aptitude` in a pastebin |
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| 15:19.44 | djace | abrotman, thanks :D |
| 15:20.06 | valdyn | johnco: stores also can include whatever manual they want |
| 15:20.26 | johnco | valdyn: I can order the install CD/DVD from the homepage? |
| 15:20.35 | valdyn | johnco: no |
| 15:20.45 | oz123 | simonrvn, thanks, the script is working when it is put in /usr/local/bin... did not touch anything else |
| 15:21.01 | valdyn | johnco: you can probably find a list with sellers at the homepage |
| 15:21.10 | dob1 | abrotman: this http://rafb.net/p/vTMrhK46.html |
| 15:21.12 | valdyn | johnco: but people dont buy debian, generally |
| 15:21.44 | johnco | I did a netinstall, and this is goofy'ish' |
| 15:22.07 | abrotman | dob1: so if you run `aptitude dist-upgrade` .. what happens ? |
| 15:22.12 | valdyn | johnco: so? |
| 15:22.13 | abrotman | make sure you run aptitude update first |
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| 15:23.53 | dob1 | abrotman: i don't know how to paste all the ouput to pastebin... i have only a console there |
| 15:24.07 | abrotman | dob1: is there an error ? |
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| 15:24.25 | johnco | valdyn: I like this distro better than any I have tried, I seem to be missing a slew of items. I guess I can download the DVD ISOs and install full. |
| 15:24.39 | valdyn | johnco: no, thats silly |
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| 15:25.04 | johnco | True, but I am alot slower than I once was. |
| 15:25.05 | valdyn | johnco: you can just install anything via internet |
| 15:25.29 | valdyn | johnco: you are slower? |
| 15:25.37 | valdyn | johnco: we all get older =p |
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| 15:25.55 | dob1 | abrotman: this is http://pastebin.com/m6e17d4bf |
| 15:26.08 | dob1 | some conflicts |
| 15:26.24 | johnco | And have a disability, is not just older, is older and damaged. |
| 15:26.55 | valdyn | johnco: i do not understand how this is relevant to download packages from the net |
| 15:26.55 | abrotman | dob1: i'd say to do it .. and then fix the missing stuff after the upgrade |
| 15:27.03 | dob1 | abrotman: how? |
| 15:27.09 | abrotman | hit Y |
| 15:27.14 | johnco | Is it apt-get or dpkg? |
| 15:27.14 | abrotman | dob1: or you mean to fix later ? |
| 15:27.25 | valdyn | johnco: you should use aptitude |
| 15:27.25 | abrotman | dob1: you're using kde ? |
| 15:27.37 | johnco | Ok, thank you |
| 15:27.38 | valdyn | johnco: apt-get is ok too, dpkg is a lower level tool |
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| 15:27.48 | dob1 | abrotman: i have kde i see the note on the release note |
| 15:28.22 | dob1 | abrotman: i don't have libfam0c102 installed |
| 15:28.28 | themill | dob1: are you upgrading from sarge to lenny or from etch to lenny? |
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| 15:28.36 | dob1 | etch to lenny |
| 15:29.13 | dob1 | don't seems very good the conflicts, i can hit Y and go after, but hope all goes right |
| 15:29.53 | themill | dob1: have you done an "aptitude upgrade" already? |
| 15:30.04 | valdyn | dob1: you dont need to read the conflicts, but the stuff below the conflicts |
| 15:30.22 | dob1 | themill: yes look here http://rafb.net/p/QMSUyD98.html |
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| 15:30.24 | valdyn | dob1: "The following actions will resolve these dependencies:" |
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| 15:30.53 | dob1 | valdyn: ok i try then |
| 15:31.12 | themill | dob1: the section to remember for later is the 8 lines under "Remove the following packages:" |
| 15:31.41 | dob1 | themill: i can remove them now or if i hit Y it will do for me? |
| 15:32.16 | themill | dob1: most of them are being removed because they don't exist in lenny at all. The exceptions are phpmyadmin and xerver-xorg-video-all. Hitting Y will remove them for you |
| 15:32.25 | dob1 | ok thanks |
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| 15:33.02 | dob1 | hope all goes ok if it doesn't book i am in trouble, i have only ssh to it |
| 15:33.03 | valdyn | dob1: for instance, that mozilla-firefox package's removal does not remove any actual software |
| 15:33.13 | dob1 | *boot |
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| 15:33.34 | themill | dob1: btw you should use "lenny" in your sources.list not "stable". /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
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| 15:35.53 | wonder1 | does anyone know if there is a qt creator .deb package for sid or debian in general ? |
| 15:36.13 | nareshov | qt creator? |
| 15:36.16 | nareshov | or designer? |
| 15:36.21 | wonder1 | qt creator |
| 15:36.24 | hark | wonder1: no |
| 15:36.28 | wonder1 | :( |
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| 15:36.58 | hark | wonder1: at least not in debian yet |
| 15:37.04 | wonder1 | http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/qtcreator_1.0.0-1.html |
| 15:37.09 | wonder1 | i found that report |
| 15:37.18 | abrotman | that means it's in NEW |
| 15:37.34 | hark | lot of packages are still in NEW |
| 15:37.43 | wonder1 | so it is goint to enter in experimetal ? |
| 15:38.05 | wonder1 | no mode to download that ? |
| 15:38.11 | abrotman | wonder1: no way to download from there |
| 15:39.27 | wonder1 | uff |
| 15:39.32 | wonder1 | thank u anywhere |
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| 15:48.18 | Jemt | Hi. Debian 5.0 seems to force laptop monitors to be turned on, even when switched off and connected to an external monitor. This usually forces the use of the highest possible resolution on the laptop monitor which is not as good as the resolution on the external monitor. I'm expirencing this on 2 Acer laptops and an IBM X31 Thinkpad. Is this a bug? Any suggestions ? |
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| 15:48.37 | ajavid | what do you mean forces |
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| 15:48.47 | agnitio | abrotman, hark: what does it mean that a package is in NEW? |
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| 15:49.06 | Jemt | ajavid: The laptop monitor just turns on - I don't do anything. And I can't turn it off using Fn+F7 |
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| 15:49.28 | ajavid | Jemt, xrandr |
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| 15:49.41 | hark | !new |
| 15:49.41 | dpkg | new is probably the NEW queue for Debian packages, part of the incoming system, at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 15:50.02 | Jemt | ajavid: Could you elaborate ? |
| 15:50.23 | ajavid | Jemt, try to use xrandr to turn it off |
| 15:50.29 | Jemt | ajavid: Oh |
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| 15:50.47 | Jemt | ajavid: Ok. But it is still not supposed to happen - it worked fine on Debian Etch :) |
| 15:50.48 | ajavid | as for if its a known bug, I don't kow |
| 15:50.55 | ajavid | Jemt, yes, odd |
| 15:51.29 | valdyn | Jemt: display hotplug is a feature |
| 15:51.30 | bpun | is there an asterisk package? |
| 15:51.36 | valdyn | Jemt: or autodection even |
| 15:51.44 | ajavid | should be, I think askterisk is packaged |
| 15:51.46 | valdyn | *detection* |
| 15:51.47 | Jemt | valdyn: And it's not included with Debain 5 ? |
| 15:51.48 | ajavid | !asterisk |
| 15:51.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, asterisk is a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable, or http://www.asterisk.org/, or #asterisk @ irc.freenode.net |
| 15:51.56 | ajavid | isn't it? |
| 15:52.03 | ajavid | judd versions asterisk |
| 15:52.04 | judd | ajavid: asterisk -- etch: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4 etch-security: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4 lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3 sid: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3 squeeze: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3 |
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| 15:52.12 | ajavid | yup |
| 15:52.26 | ajavid | bpun, why did you ask here before searching for yourself? |
| 15:52.28 | valdyn | Jemt: its what you are seeing and calling bug |
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| 15:52.51 | bpun | ajavid, i'm not on my debian system currently.. someone is currently asking (apt-get.org doesnt show) |
| 15:52.56 | ajavid | oh |
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| 15:53.12 | Jemt | valdyn: Oh, I'm not calling it a bug - I just thought it could have been a bug. And I would expect the hot-plug feature to be included with Xorg. But it could be excluded for good reasons |
| 15:53.15 | ajavid | bpun, when not on debian, use packages.debian.org and <dpkg> ;) |
| 15:53.17 | hark | agnitio: initial uploads have to go through it. http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html |
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| 15:53.22 | Jemt | valdyn: Do I need a package to enable hot plug ? |
| 15:53.27 | agnitio | hark: thanks |
| 15:53.43 | piper69 | apt-get update return W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:4D270D06F42584E6 |
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| 15:56.50 | valdyn | Jemt: i guess you totally misunderstood. I was trying to say that what you are seeing is the presence of display autodetection |
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| 15:56.51 | edju | how do I get the proper display driver on a dell 1525? now, it's the vesa driver. also x won't start due to a problem w/ synaptics touchpad. |
| 16:02.48 | ajavid | piper69, do you have debian-archive-keyring? |
| 16:02.48 | ajavid | piper69, install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring |
| 16:02.48 | ajavid | oops |
| 16:02.48 | martian67 | NETSPLITTTTTTTTTT |
| 16:02.49 | Jemt | valdyn: Also, I didn't perform a standard installation, but chose to install everything my self. But I installed the exact same packages on Lenny that I did on Etch - hence why I expected things to work. But that might be foolish - two completely different versions of an operating system might not behave identical |
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| 16:03.59 | ajavid | is suffering from massive heartburn |
| 16:04.00 | ajavid | mmm milk |
| 16:04.00 | martian67 | so is freenode apparently |
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| 16:04.02 | ajavid | heh |
| 16:04.03 | ajavid | its back |
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| 16:04.03 | hark | piper69: try installing debian-keyring |
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| 16:04.03 | Jemt | valdyn: I'm not sure how many of my messages you received. Anyways, do you know how to optain the monitor hot plug feature? Is it in a package ? |
| 16:04.03 | ajavid | didn't I tell him that |
| 16:04.03 | hark | piper69: of which repo is it? |
| 16:04.03 | ajavid | keyring and archive-keyring |
| 16:04.03 | badcfe | so i cant unpack a splited rar on debian? |
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| 16:04.03 | piper69_ | guys i am getting alot of porn ad ! what the hell happen |
| 16:04.03 | ajavid | gpg --recv-keys 4D270D06F42584E6 |
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| 16:04.03 | ajavid | gpg --export 4D270D06F42584E6 | apt-key add - |
| 16:04.03 | hark | !lart freenode |
| 16:04.03 | dpkg | forces freenode to use Outlook Express |
| 16:04.03 | ajavid | or simply this |
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| 16:04.04 | ajavid | piper69, after installing debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring do apt-key update |
| 16:04.04 | valdyn | Jemt: no idea |
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| 16:04.04 | ajavid | piper69, porn is good. |
| 16:04.04 | Jemt | valdyn: Oh, ok :) |
| 16:04.04 | ajavid | piper69, just don't let the missus find it! |
| 16:04.04 | valdyn | piper69_: teh internets! |
| 16:04.04 | piper69_ | hark: am installing it right now.....why do i have to do this all over again |
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| 16:04.05 | piper69_ | i mean i had to go thu all this when i was at etch hark |
| 16:04.05 | valentin__ | I have serious errors in apt Errors occourde while working on: linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 loop-aes-modules-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
| 16:04.05 | valdyn | valentin__: tell us which error occured |
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| 16:04.06 | hark | piper69_: it's not the debian archive key, which repo gives you that? |
| 16:04.06 | valentin__ | i was trying to upgrade from etch to lenny on an xen image |
| 16:04.06 | Jemt | Does anyone know how to enable monitor hot plug support on Debian Lenny? My laptop monitor is always turned on, even though I have an external monitor connected. This forces Xorg to choose a resolution supported by both monitors, which is too low |
| 16:04.06 | valdyn | valentin__: its on the output you just pasted an excerpt of |
| 16:04.06 | valentin__ | valdyn: Upgrade stopped |
| 16:04.06 | ajavid | Jemt, why don't you just use BOTH resolutions |
| 16:04.06 | ajavid | a combined framebuffer |
| 16:04.06 | ajavid | Jemt, just specify a virtual screen size in xorg |
| 16:04.07 | hark | piper69_: if debian-keyring does not help, /msg dpkg apt-key 4D270D06F42584E6 |
| 16:04.07 | ajavid | ok |
| 16:04.07 | valdyn | Jemt: thats not hotplug, you can a display that is actually plugged in switched off |
| 16:04.07 | Jemt | ajavid: I don't want to use fixed resolutions - I use this installation on many different computers (stored on a USB stick) |
| 16:04.07 | ajavid | what you fucking blind man? |
| 16:04.07 | piper69_ | how can i tell hark |
| 16:04.07 | valdyn | Jemt: thats not hotplug, you want a display that is actually plugged in switched off |
| 16:04.07 | ajavid | I just went over this entire key business |
| 16:04.07 | ajavid | .... |
| 16:04.08 | ajavid | are you serious? |
| 16:04.08 | valdyn | valentin__: im probably very hard to understand, i am asking for the complete output of your failed command |
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| 16:04.11 | hark | piper69_: pastebin your sources.list, we'll see |
| 16:04.12 | ajavid | Jemt, i see |
| 16:04.21 | Jemt | ajavid: Appricate the tip though :) |
| 16:04.38 | ajavid | its a workaround |
| 16:04.43 | Jemt | valdyn: Hm, not sure what I want then. Well, I want it to work, so that the laptop monitor dosn't turn on automatically :) |
| 16:04.59 | ajavid | Jemt, specify a max screen virtual size to bew really large |
| 16:05.12 | ajavid | Jemt, when you have any resoution extra monitor, it will fit right in |
| 16:05.40 | ajavid | Jemt, so could hook it up anywhere it will run fine imo |
| 16:05.40 | Jemt | ajavid: Could you try to explain your last sentence again? It didn't make sense to me |
| 16:05.45 | ajavid | sure |
| 16:05.57 | Jemt | "when you have any resoution extra monitor, it will fit right in" < That one :) |
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| 16:06.11 | valdyn | Jemt: switching a display on or off is a laptop feature |
| 16:06.12 | ajavid | Jemt, in xorg.conf if you specify a max virtualscreen size, your laptop resolution + larglest monitor reslution you think you'll encounter |
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| 16:06.40 | ajavid | Jemt, then no amtter where you go, what size monitor you use, it will fit within your virtual space |
| 16:06.44 | valdyn | Jemt: meaning, you have some switch on your laptop to do that |
| 16:06.49 | Jemt | ajavid: Okay, but how will that work? I won't get resolution so high that I have to "scroll" my desktop, will I ? |
| 16:06.50 | ajavid | im not sure if thats what you were after |
| 16:06.56 | valdyn | Jemt: fn-f7 on my thinkpad |
| 16:07.01 | ajavid | I don't think you would, but I dunno |
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| 16:07.09 | ajavid | valdyn, he says it doesn't work |
| 16:07.15 | ajavid | valdyn, keys don't do anything |
| 16:07.28 | Jemt | valdyn: The Fn+F7 keys are not working on Debian 5 - they have no effect anymore |
| 16:07.36 | valdyn | Jemt: so thats your real problem |
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| 16:07.41 | valdyn | Jemt: it has nothing to do with X |
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| 16:07.54 | hark | piper69_: it's ok, debian-archive-keyring should take care of it. you don't need to install debian-keyring |
| 16:08.03 | Jemt | valdyn: Not really. I disabled the laptop monitor BEFORE loading Debian. It just turned on automatically when xOrg started. So the problem is likely caused by Xorg |
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| 16:08.45 | gnewb | valdyn: Thank you very much, that was a silly error on my part. |
| 16:08.46 | valdyn | Jemt: how do you disable it? |
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| 16:08.50 | hark | piper69: it's the lenny stable release key |
| 16:08.55 | valdyn | gnewb: what was? |
| 16:09.08 | Jemt | valdyn: Hitting Fn+F7 when GRUB is visible |
| 16:09.19 | gnewb | valdyn: The synaptic password thing |
| 16:09.30 | valdyn | Jemt: good, thats before linux starts |
| 16:09.39 | Jemt | All kernel messages are written on the external monitor - but when X starts, the laptop monitor is switched on |
| 16:09.40 | valdyn | Jemt: so theres no hint at all that X has *anything* to do with it |
| 16:09.43 | Jemt | valdyn: Yes :) |
| 16:10.08 | valdyn | Jemt: is the package "acpi-support" installed? |
| 16:10.09 | Jemt | valdyn: No ? The problem starts the second (more or less) Xorg starts |
| 16:10.14 | Jemt | valdyn: Checking :) |
| 16:10.26 | valdyn | Jemt: that doesnt mean its X fault |
| 16:10.32 | Jemt | valdyn: Oh, I have to boot the installation on another PC. Just a second |
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| 16:11.11 | Jemt | valdyn: Oh, okay - you probably knows more about this than I do |
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| 16:12.03 | themill | hark, piper69: /msg dpkg etch->lenny key |
| 16:12.48 | valdyn | Jemt: is that a thinkpad? |
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| 16:13.34 | Jemt | valdyn: 1 IBM Thinkpad X31, 1 Acer Aspire, 1 Acer TravelMate - all having this problem |
| 16:13.47 | hark | themill: i wonder why i did not get this warning when upgrading to lenny from etch |
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| 16:14.02 | valdyn | Jemt: you got a shell ready on the thinkpad? |
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| 16:15.17 | themill | hark: depends on what keyring packages you already have installed. |
| 16:15.23 | hark | themill: it's not in the release notes too iirc |
| 16:15.41 | Jemt | valdyn: Nope, it's running on an Acer now |
| 16:15.59 | valdyn | Jemt: i can only give you acpi commands for thinkpads |
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| 16:16.19 | Jemt | valdyn: Oh, okay. I'll just reboot then. But let me first check that the package is there |
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| 16:16.40 | valdyn | Jemt: like "echo lcd_disable > /proc/acpi/ibm/video" |
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| 16:16.51 | themill | hark: it's only a warning and not an error -- the release notes don't mention quite how scary the output of "aptitude install aptitude" is going to be either. |
| 16:16.52 | flower | how do I build a tar.gz package in a pbuilder environment? |
| 16:17.01 | ajavid | flower! |
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| 16:17.09 | Jemt | valdyn: Nope, the package was missin |
| 16:17.09 | valdyn | Jemt: that is what the acpi-support package should link to your alt-f7 too though |
| 16:17.12 | Jemt | Missing |
| 16:17.30 | Jemt | valdyn: Oh, I see |
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| 16:17.46 | piper69 | thank you hark its woking now |
| 16:17.50 | Jemt | valdyn: Let me just give the Acer a reboot first. Maybe it works now that the package is installed |
| 16:17.57 | valdyn | Jemt: im sure acer works similar, i just dont know how exactly |
| 16:18.01 | flower | ajavid: yeah |
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| 16:18.05 | valdyn | Jemt: why reboot? |
| 16:18.14 | dob1 | how can i know after the updgrade to lenny if my device are mapped from /dev/hda to /dev/sda before rebooting? |
| 16:18.21 | ajavid | flower, thats a great nickname |
| 16:18.25 | valdyn | dob1: not easily |
| 16:18.38 | ajavid | just made my day |
| 16:18.55 | ajavid | made me think of flowers and meadows and such, nicely done.. think i'll have an excellent day today |
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| 16:19.17 | piper69 | ahhhh another issue, VLC when i play a movie i can see that it is playing by the little bar at the buttom but no PICTURE at all |
| 16:19.33 | Jemt | valdyn: I'll give Fn+F7 a try before restarting :) |
| 16:20.15 | Jemt | valdyn: I know it's supposed to be something you do on only Windows, but usually it's just easier to do that to make sure everything is set up automatically |
| 16:20.50 | Jemt | valdyn: I usually have to reboot my computer when I run alsa-conf - guess that's the tool that made me start rebooting linux |
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| 16:21.08 | piper69 | hark: can you help me please |
| 16:21.13 | valdyn | mm, i havent run alsaconf for years and a dozen installations |
| 16:21.55 | ajavid | is alsaconf still available? |
| 16:22.03 | ajavid | I thought it was deprecated |
| 16:22.10 | valdyn | what can it possibly do that is useful? |
| 16:22.17 | Dante00 | hi all, ive a problem related to X. After I installed debian lenny 5.0 GDM doesn't start, it acts like there isnt a monitor connected, though on windows everything goes fine.. i tried to reconfigure X but it doesnt really work. Could anyone help me? |
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| 16:22.24 | ajavid | I don't think anything really |
| 16:22.30 | Jemt | valdyn: Still trying to install the package. I'm expirencing problems with the NDIS driver :) |
| 16:22.35 | ajavid | I mean, thats not what I meant |
| 16:22.40 | piper69 | why i can't watch avi movie with vlc? |
| 16:22.44 | ajavid | I do thin, all the time |
| 16:22.49 | ajavid | piper69, is it encoded with MS DRM? |
| 16:22.53 | icedtea | how do you get a login screen on a remote X terminal? |
| 16:23.04 | ajavid | other than that it could only be a codec issue, but vlc shouldn't have trouble with any format |
| 16:23.04 | valdyn | piper69: can you play it with something else? |
| 16:23.14 | ajavid | piper69, try mplayer first |
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| 16:23.40 | ajavid | piper69, /msg dpkg dmm, install mplayer + w32codecs (in case its using an odd container) |
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| 16:24.03 | hark | themill: it's here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/errata#known_probs ... i think i might have installed it from volatile |
| 16:24.38 | piper69 | ajavid: will w32codecs work for vlc |
| 16:24.49 | valdyn | piper69: you just dont have the video codec, assuming the avi file is ok |
| 16:25.12 | hark | is debian's vlc crippled? |
| 16:25.20 | valdyn | hark: no |
| 16:25.25 | piper69 | yes valdyn |
| 16:25.31 | ajavid | no |
| 16:25.33 | themill | hark: well spotted |
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| 16:26.22 | piper69 | well how can i install all the codecs then valdyn hark |
| 16:26.39 | valdyn | 17:23 < ajavid> piper69, /msg dpkg dmm, install mplayer + w32codecs |
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| 16:27.44 | piper69 | my question was [08:24]<piper69>ajavid: will w32codecs work for vlc |
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| 16:28.01 | Dante00 | hi all, ive a problem related to X. After I installed debian lenny 5.0 GDM doesn't start, it acts like there isnt a monitor connected, though on windows everything goes fine.. i tried to reconfigure X but it doesnt really work. Could anyone help me? |
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| 16:28.05 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.19 | valdyn | piper69: yes |
| 16:28.34 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 16:28.34 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze> |
| 16:29.26 | edju | how do i discover which display driver is being used? |
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| 16:31.15 | hark | edju: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:32.31 | hark | Dante00: any errors? |
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| 16:33.51 | Dante00 | hark yes: Connection reset by peer - Unable to connect to X - No Screens found". |
| 16:34.01 | valentin__ | valdyn: Sorry my phone rang and i had to answer. Here is the full output: http://www.paste-it.com/view/23306979 |
| 16:34.12 | luckz | how do I find out which packages are installed from what repository (etch/lenny) and why something won't upgrade? |
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| 16:34.45 | valentin__ | valdyn: i was running an upgrade from debian etch to lenny |
| 16:35.15 | Jemt | valdyn: The monitor is still turned on on the Acer laptop. I'll boot it on my IBM laptop now. Be right back |
| 16:35.36 | Dante00 | hark wait a sec ill give u the complete error. |
| 16:35.41 | hark | luckz: "/msg dpkg which repo" and install the package to see why it's not upgrading |
| 16:35.51 | valdyn | valentin__: what did you do to break grub? removed it? |
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| 16:36.01 | themill | luckz: "aptitude why not packagename" may be of use too |
| 16:36.14 | valentin__ | valdyn: im on a xen machine and this is one image i am running |
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| 16:36.28 | valdyn | valentin__: does it need grub? |
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| 16:36.34 | Jemt | Back |
| 16:36.35 | valentin__ | dont think so |
| 16:36.42 | zand | what does this mean anyone? seemed to coincide with machine falling over: [10507.274610] eth0: RX MAC fifo overflow smac[03810400]. |
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| 16:37.02 | valentin__ | valdyn: I dont think it needs grub. |
| 16:37.33 | valdyn | valentin__: ok, edit /etc/kernel-img.conf and comment out the postinst_hook and postrm_hook for now |
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| 16:37.52 | valentin__ | valdyn: ok ill do and report back |
| 16:38.09 | valdyn | valentin__: dont restart for now, i think you might need grub, we'll get to that later |
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| 16:38.50 | valentin__ | valdyn: i commented it out. Should i now try to runn the upgrade again? |
| 16:39.00 | valdyn | valentin__: yes |
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| 16:39.18 | hark | luckz: "aptitude why-not packagename" there ^ |
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| 16:40.35 | luckz | oh, thanks. |
| 16:40.46 | valentin__ | valdyn: i worked. |
| 16:41.00 | valdyn | valentin__: whats your boot manager? |
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| 16:41.23 | valentin__ | Its a Managed server so i dont know |
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| 16:41.35 | valentin__ | Bought it at www.strato.com |
| 16:41.50 | valdyn | valentin__: what is the output for dpkg -l grub |
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| 16:42.29 | valentin__ | valdyn: version: None Descriptin: None |
| 16:42.32 | valdyn | valentin__: why are you getting linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 on a managed server? |
| 16:42.49 | valdyn | valentin__: i need the first 2 letters in the last line |
| 16:42.54 | valdyn | valentin__: ii or rc or whatever |
| 16:43.11 | valentin__ | pn |
| 16:43.15 | Samuel-NotAFK | I can't install python-gnome2 because I have a local package called python-gconf installed. Attempting to install python-gnome2 results in: update-python-modules: error: Trying to overwrite gtk-2.0/gconf.so which is already provided by /usr/share/python-support/python-gconf |
| 16:43.31 | valentin__ | valdyn: i tryed to install loop-aes-modules |
| 16:43.32 | valdyn | valentin__: ok, guess you never had grub, so this is ok |
| 16:43.41 | valentin__ | ok |
| 16:43.41 | valdyn | valentin__: that wont work |
| 16:44.23 | valentin__ | valdyn: i tried to set up an encrypted folder using cryptoloop, but it gave me tons of errors |
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| 16:45.07 | valdyn | valentin__: you installed a kernel that you cant use with loop-aes-modules for just that kernel that you cant use |
| 16:45.27 | valentin__ | valdyn: so i made a big mistake. |
| 16:45.38 | valdyn | valentin__: not really |
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| 16:45.53 | valdyn | valentin__: nothing that does more than take little diskspace |
| 16:46.02 | piper69 | valdyn: i still can't play the movie |
| 16:46.07 | valdyn | valentin__: remove the packages linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 and loop-aes-modules-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
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| 16:46.26 | valdyn | valentin__: install the package modules-assistant, try running "m-a a-i loop-aes" |
| 16:46.46 | valdyn | valentin__: *module-assistant* even |
| 16:47.06 | valentin__ | ok |
| 16:47.09 | Jemt | valdyn, Finally got the package installed |
| 16:47.18 | johnrw | hi folks... I think I need to build a fully debuggable Iceweasel... I did try using the debug (symbols) package... for my version(2.0.0.19) but the symbols had references to source files in dirs not on my system... so maybe I just need to build it all... someone here told me about using dget some.dsc file... so I guess my question is Are there any Iceweasel builders in the house? |
| 16:47.28 | Jemt | valdyn, Fn+F7 is still not working and the monitor is still turned on automatically |
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| 16:47.44 | valdyn | Jemt: on the thinkpad? |
| 16:48.01 | Jemt | valdyn, I only installed the package. Do I need to invoke any programs / commands ? |
| 16:48.03 | Jemt | Yes, Thinkpad |
| 16:48.10 | valdyn | Jemt: nah |
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| 16:48.18 | valdyn | Jemt: but you can try the acpi stuff i told you earlier |
| 16:48.32 | valdyn | Jemt: i cant debug or trace those acpi-support scripts for you |
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| 16:49.01 | Jemt | valdyn: Oh, I received those messages on another computer. Can I ask you to send it to me again ? |
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| 16:49.46 | valdyn | Jemt: "cat /proc/acpi/ibm/video" should list commands that you can echo into /proc/acpi/ibm/video |
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| 16:50.36 | valdyn | Jemt: the kernel module thinkpad_acpi needs to be loaded |
| 16:50.46 | valdyn | Jemt: maybe still called ibm-acpi on your kernel |
| 16:51.01 | Jemt | Thanks, I'll try that :) |
| 16:51.31 | valdyn | Jemt: its possible that fn-f7 just does not work because thinkpad_acpi was not loaded |
| 16:51.50 | valentin__ | valdyn: can i do a reboot now to get the new kernle from the upgrade .. or do i have to uncomment /etc/kernel-img.conf again? |
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| 16:52.10 | valdyn | valentin__: you arent getting a new kernel unless strato installs a new one |
| 16:52.30 | valentin__ | damn |
| 16:52.36 | Jemt | valdyn: Okay, could be. But actually I don't really care much about the shortcut keys. I just don't want the monitor to be turned on automatically |
| 16:52.36 | DragoraN | please anyone knows here how to make oracle http server listen also in 0.0.0.0 ip not only 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 16:52.40 | valdyn | valentin__: why would you need a new kernel? |
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| 16:53.54 | valentin__ | valdyn: dont know .. thought i needed it to run cryptoloop stuff |
| 16:54.01 | valdyn | valentin__: no |
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| 16:54.14 | valentin__ | < -- noob |
| 16:54.20 | valdyn | valentin__: you needed the loop-aes drivers, you got those with that m-a command if it did not fail |
| 16:55.10 | Samuel-NotAFK | Please help "update-python-modules: error: Trying to overwrite gtk-2.0/gconf.so which is already provided by /usr/share/python-support/python-gconf" |
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| 16:55.26 | valentin__ | it failed because i upgraded from etch to lenny and could not find the kernel headers to my kernel: 2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 |
| 16:55.27 | valdyn | !tell Samuel-NotAFK -about ask |
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| 16:55.55 | valdyn | valentin__: i dont know how that xen system boots |
| 16:55.59 | azeem_ | Samuel-NotAFK: which version of Debian? |
| 16:56.06 | valdyn | valentin__: you need to ask your provider about that and if you can install a new kernel |
| 16:56.17 | valentin__ | ok |
| 16:56.19 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem_: Stable but I have a local package called python-gconf installed |
| 16:56.21 | flower | what is apt-get source *.dsc with aptitude? |
| 16:56.29 | valentin__ | valdyn: can i do a downgrade ? |
| 16:56.30 | azeem | Samuel-NotAFK: so fix that |
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| 16:56.36 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: dpkg-reconfigure python-gnome2 --force won't work |
| 16:56.43 | azeem | Samuel-NotAFK: purge it |
| 16:56.46 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: I need it installed for a program to work |
| 16:56.52 | valdyn | valentin__: you can use etch sources for the only purpose of getting loop-aes done |
| 16:56.53 | azeem | then fix that program |
| 16:57.05 | azeem | Samuel-NotAFK: why is it a local package? |
| 16:57.08 | valdyn | valentin__: and you can revert to lenny after that, without really downgrading anything |
| 16:57.12 | azeem | isn't there an official python-gconf? |
| 16:57.15 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: Debian doesn't include it |
| 16:57.17 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: Nope. |
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| 16:57.25 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: It's an Ubuntu package. |
| 16:57.26 | valentin__ | ok |
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| 16:57.30 | azeem | Samuel-NotAFK: because it's included in python-gnome2 |
| 16:57.36 | azeem | Debian doesn't split it up |
| 16:57.38 | Jemt | valdyn: The commands have no effect at all - ie: echo "lcd_disable" > /proc/acpi/ibm/video |
| 16:57.50 | Jemt | valdyn: thinkpad_acpi is loaded |
| 16:57.53 | azeem | Samuel-NotAFK: don't mix Ubuntu and Debian packages on the same box |
| 16:57.55 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: My package has python-gconf as a dependancy. |
| 16:58.04 | azeem | Samuel-NotAFK: so fix your package |
| 16:58.11 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: How? |
| 16:58.20 | azeem | Samuel-NotAFK: by not making it depend on pythong-gconf |
| 16:58.22 | izzyb | I have a fresh install of lenny but the libvirt stuff is very outdated. I'd like to install the version that is in sid, but without making the whole system unstable. Its not in lenny backports yet. Etch backports has an older version. what are my other options? |
| 16:58.30 | Samuel-NotAFK | hmmm ok |
| 16:58.39 | azeem | izzyb: wait for a backport |
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| 16:59.12 | azeem | Samuel-NotAFK: also, next time mention that you have a local package installed when you paste an error like that |
| 16:59.34 | izzyb | I kind of need to do this asap. no time to wait for backports. I'd install from source, but don't want to loose the package management |
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| 16:59.49 | piper69 | how can i install codec for vlc in lenny to play avi movies |
| 16:59.55 | valdyn | !ssb |
| 16:59.55 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 16:59.57 | valdyn | izzyb: ^^ |
| 17:00.25 | valdyn | piper69: w32codecs is installed? |
| 17:00.26 | izzyb | :) thanks. exactly what I neede :) |
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| 17:00.42 | izzyb | what does ssb stand for? |
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| 17:00.49 | izzyb | would have never guessed that |
| 17:00.50 | valdyn | simple sid backport |
| 17:00.57 | izzyb | hehe ;) |
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| 17:01.41 | piper69 | valdyn: i believe so |
| 17:02.01 | valdyn | Jemt: you must have changed something between etch and lenny |
| 17:02.17 | valdyn | Jemt: like having had a custom kernel or using radeonfb or somesuch |
| 17:02.23 | piper69 | i added debian-multimedia to the repos valdyn |
| 17:02.40 | valdyn | Jemt: i cant figure that out on irc unfortunately |
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| 17:03.03 | Jemt | valdyn: Nope, I'm using the exact same system packages - only a few problems are replaced |
| 17:03.07 | Jemt | valdyn, Oh, ok :-/ |
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| 17:03.49 | Jemt | problems = programs |
| 17:03.52 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: How do I modify the dependencies of a local package? |
| 17:04.15 | izzyb | k, I guessed on the sid source line. does this look correct? deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 17:04.26 | valdyn | izzyb: yes |
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| 17:04.39 | nareshov | Samuel-NotAFK: edit debian/rules file and rebuild package |
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| 17:04.48 | azeem | debian/control, rather |
| 17:04.51 | nareshov | o |
| 17:04.56 | piper69 | valdyn: any suggestions ? |
| 17:05.11 | valdyn | piper69: aptitude install w32codecs |
| 17:05.11 | dmoerner | Samuel-NotAFK, depending on your needs you might also want to look at "equivs" |
| 17:05.33 | valdyn | arent such deps autogenerated usually? |
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| 17:05.50 | azeem | not for python |
| 17:05.56 | valdyn | alright |
| 17:06.00 | Samuel-NotAFK | nareshov: dmoerner: I'm completely inexperienced at doing this and require more specific instructions. |
| 17:06.11 | azeem | which is why Debian hasn't split up gnome-python yet |
| 17:06.23 | azeem | Samuel-NotAFK: then just remove the local package |
| 17:06.57 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: I want to dpkg -i eee-control_0.8.3_all.deb |
| 17:06.57 | dmoerner | Samuel-NotAFK, then don't use equivs. it's for cases in which you have (for example) a locally compile version of a program and want to install debian packages that would depend on the .deb of that package |
| 17:07.26 | azeem | Samuel-NotAFK: what's the name of the local package? |
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| 17:07.44 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: eee-control_0.8.3_all.deb |
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| 17:07.54 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: Depends python-gconf |
| 17:08.01 | Dante00 | hi, x doesnt start after i installed debian.. this is the error: http://pastebin.com/m6cc8d8d8 |
| 17:08.04 | piper69 | !w32codecs |
| 17:08.04 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
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| 17:08.42 | azeem | Samuel-NotAFK: I suggest you ask #debian-eeepc on oftc about alternatives for that packag |
| 17:08.45 | enyawix | how do i check what version of debian i am running? |
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| 17:08.48 | azeem | package* |
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| 17:08.56 | Samuel-NotAFK | azeem: Good idea. |
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| 17:09.00 | azeem | enyawix: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:09.05 | stew | enyawix: try "lsb_release -a" |
| 17:09.32 | piper69 | i did install w32codecs |
| 17:09.42 | enyawix | 5.0 = lenny? |
| 17:09.52 | azeem | yes |
| 17:09.56 | piper69 | or atleast i follow the step how do i check if it is installed please |
| 17:10.02 | enyawix | thanks |
| 17:10.08 | azeem | piper69: dpkg -l w32codecs |
| 17:10.19 | azeem | does the last line start with ii? |
| 17:10.51 | Dante00 | anyone? ;./ |
| 17:10.54 | piper69 | wtf i get No packages found matching w32codecs. azeem |
| 17:11.15 | azeem | how did you install it? |
| 17:11.50 | piper69 | azeem: apt-get install w32codecs |
| 17:12.03 | piper69 | after i asked for dmm lenny |
| 17:12.03 | azeem | piper69: pastebin the output of that command |
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| 17:12.59 | stew | azeem: klined |
| 17:13.23 | azeem | stew: yeah, but I had it abk'd already and then realized I wasn't identified |
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| 17:13.46 | azeem | that had a bit more impact than the earlier exploits |
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| 17:14.36 | stew | yeah, we've unfortunately been seeing a lot of that one recently |
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| 17:17.20 | piper69 | azeem: sorry i got dis |
| 17:17.40 | azeem | piper69: pastebin the output of that command |
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| 17:19.30 | valentin__ | valdyn: still cant do a "losetup -e aes-256 /dev/loop0 /test.img" requested cipher or key length (256 bits) not supported by kernel what do i have to do? module assistant did bouild the module successful |
| 17:20.07 | azeem | valentin__: did you install the module package and modprobe'd it? |
| 17:20.31 | valentin__ | azeem: which module do i have to install and modprobe? |
| 17:20.48 | piper69 | http://paste.debian.net/29968/ @ azeem |
| 17:20.51 | azeem | the module package that module assistant made |
| 17:21.12 | valentin__ | m-a a-i loop-aes |
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| 17:21.25 | azeem | piper69: so you have it installed now |
| 17:21.27 | valentin__ | where is it .. and how can i install it? azeem |
| 17:21.39 | hark | piper69: run vlc file.avi from the command line and see the output |
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| 17:24.20 | piper69 | hark: i disconnected my usb external drive, and now i can't mount it again |
| 17:24.29 | piper69 | wtf is goin' on with me |
| 17:24.42 | piper69 | its like i fix something another goes wrong |
| 17:24.51 | Vegeku | windows rules :p |
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| 17:25.23 | Vegeku | linux & co. sucks :p |
| 17:25.31 | hark | piper69: why not? |
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| 17:26.38 | piper69 | i have no clue hark , before i disconnected i right click and choose unmount |
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| 17:26.47 | Tolly | hey guys |
| 17:26.53 | Tolly | anyone good with t/flux? |
| 17:27.04 | Tolly | got a small error and pissing me off |
| 17:27.15 | azeem | what is t/flux? |
| 17:27.20 | Tolly | torrent flux |
| 17:27.29 | azeem | what's the debian package called? |
| 17:27.36 | piper69 | hark: http://paste.debian.net/29969/ |
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| 17:27.52 | Tolly | debian etch |
| 17:29.05 | hark | piper69: run chkdsk in windows |
| 17:29.38 | piper69 | azeem: hark ok , i got the disk mounted again....now back to my vlc i still can't see the movie |
| 17:30.29 | piper69 | i should 've stayed with etch...i was happy with it, why did i decide to go to lenny |
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| 17:33.44 | Tolly | i like etch piper69 |
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| 17:33.55 | Tolly | i got 3 servers |
| 17:34.04 | Tolly | and etch is the best |
| 17:34.14 | piper69 | Tolly: don't even think about going to lenny |
| 17:34.17 | Tolly | just this damn torrent flux error |
| 17:34.21 | Tolly | i wont |
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| 17:34.23 | Tolly | i heard allready |
| 17:34.25 | Tolly | lol |
| 17:34.36 | piper69 | i had nothing but trouble since i upgraded to the darn thing |
| 17:34.42 | piper69 | everything broke |
| 17:34.45 | Tolly | lol |
| 17:34.52 | Tolly | shouldnt laugh really |
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| 17:35.40 | piper69 | pluse it is very slow |
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| 17:38.29 | piper69 | hark: any other suggestion please |
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| 17:39.06 | cantoma | hi there, in my dmesg I have a message saying " atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x81 on isa0060/serio0)" repeated for more than 100 times. Does anyone had similar problem? I have a microsoft keyboard and mouse. |
| 17:39.07 | hark | piper69: pastebin the output of aptitude search '~Ounoff~i' and the vlc output i asked earlier |
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| 17:40.56 | piper69 | hark: http://paste.debian.net/29970/ |
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| 17:41.31 | piper69 | what is ~Ounoff~i? |
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| 17:42.42 | azeem | piper69: read the aptitude manual about it if you care |
| 17:42.43 | hark | piper69: eh, no :) |
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| 17:43.19 | hark | piper69: "aptitude search '~Ounoff~i'" is the command |
| 17:43.34 | hark | piper69: leave out "and the vlc" |
| 17:43.57 | wedge | hey, if I want to integrate some firmware files to the netinstall iso, where do I put the firmware files? |
| 17:44.26 | kibibyte | hi ppl |
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| 17:45.00 | ATF | What utility can be used to summarize the traffic that's flowing on a LAN grouped on local IP address? |
| 17:45.04 | piper69 | hark: http://paste.debian.net/29971/ |
| 17:45.12 | hark | piper69: see http://bugs.debian.org/486096 and see if any of that helps |
| 17:45.23 | wedge | where do the lenny installer look for .fw files? |
| 17:45.30 | zx5 | ATF, iftop |
| 17:45.37 | piper69 | azeem: just a guesstimate that command will show hark what i have installed and what is pending ! |
| 17:45.58 | piper69 | me thinks |
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| 17:46.39 | hark | piper69: ok, as per that bug report there are issues with debian multimedia packages (which you have installed) and vlc |
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| 17:47.20 | hark | piper69: install debian packages |
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| 17:48.06 | piper69 | hark what do you mean please |
| 17:48.07 | nakhley | debian testing dropped idjc |
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| 17:49.10 | nakhley | heh why |
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| 17:50.30 | azeem | nakhley: probably because it was buggy and/or didn't build correctly |
| 17:51.10 | nakhley | Package idjc is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:51.27 | piper69 | hark: how to install debian pakgs again |
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| 17:52.03 | nakhley | anyone has an idea on this one? |
| 17:52.23 | azeem | nakhley: on what? |
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| 17:52.29 | nakhley | this package |
| 17:52.31 | eptalon | heyas |
| 17:52.35 | azeem | 18:49 < azeem> nakhley: probably because it was buggy and/or didn't build correctly |
| 17:52.46 | nakhley | lenny doesnt have the current ver anyway |
| 17:53.04 | eptalon | samba4 as of experimental usable? |
| 17:53.04 | azeem | right |
| 17:53.07 | azeem | what's your question? |
| 17:53.30 | azeem | nakhley: maybe see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482509 for an answer |
| 17:53.54 | hark | piper69: try aptitude install -t stable package1 package2 ... |
| 17:54.24 | hark | piper69: then remove the vlc plugin cache as per the bug report and try again |
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| 17:54.52 | piper69 | hark: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "package1" |
| 17:55.15 | azeem | piper69: please try to think for yourself as well a bit |
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| 17:57.32 | hark | aptitude reinstall -t stable libavcodec51 libavformat52 libavutil49 libpostproc51 libswscale0 |
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| 17:57.58 | piper69 | azeem: since you are not helping me, why bother, hark has been helping me since last night and he didn't complain. |
| 17:58.17 | hark | piper69: then rm ~/.vlc/cache/plugins*.dat |
| 17:58.25 | hark | piper69: he's right, you know |
| 17:58.39 | ATF | zx5: How do I group by LAN host in iftop? |
| 17:58.46 | azeem | piper69: people are just more likely to help if they feel that you're making some effort as well |
| 17:59.31 | zx5 | ATF, no idea. please rtfm I just use -nNBi |
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| 17:59.56 | piper69 | azeem: i know what you mean , but since i did the upgrade it like i forgot everything |
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| 18:00.45 | Darkclaw66 | whats the best way to mirror a remote location with ftp? |
| 18:00.49 | enyawix | is debian 64 a multi lib system or a 64bit only system with a 32bit chroot? |
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| 18:01.05 | piper69 | and i am not in the mood to sit and read today ... you can say i am in lazy mode |
| 18:01.10 | zx5 | Darkclaw66, wget? :) |
| 18:01.17 | hark | !lazy |
| 18:01.18 | jelly-home | enyawix: the latter |
| 18:01.18 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 18:01.27 | martian67 | is there an easy way to make BIND resolve simple domain names like say router |
| 18:01.30 | martian67 | with no TLD |
| 18:01.35 | Darkclaw66 | I am currently using wget but it won't delete the files that are removed from the remote computer that is contained on the local computer |
| 18:01.39 | martian67 | without creating a zone for every desired domain? |
| 18:01.41 | hark | piper69: i'm off for a while, you should be able to work it out now in your own |
| 18:01.55 | simonrvn | if you're too lazy to read, we're too lazy to help. *plonk* |
| 18:02.00 | piper69 | hark: thank man |
| 18:02.13 | Darkclaw66 | zx5 can I have wget removed files? |
| 18:02.19 | jelly-home | enyawix: there are a few often-used 32bit libs available in the repo, but not all by any means |
| 18:02.25 | Darkclaw66 | it does a mirror copy but it doesnt remove |
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| 18:03.53 | Darkclaw66 | silence is not golden |
| 18:03.56 | zx5 | Darkclaw66, i know. i read the man page for your sake a while back and found nothing. you asked on another chan i guess. You can diff two wget logs and remove the missing files or search for a tool which does this. Thats all i know |
| 18:03.59 | ATF | zx5: Thanks, -F does the trick. |
| 18:04.05 | zx5 | cool |
| 18:04.21 | dob1 | hi, i am trying to replace lilo with grub, why grub-install /dev/hda fails ? No path or device is specified. |
| 18:04.30 | enyawix | jelly-home thanks i moved all my gentoo computers to debian but one :) |
| 18:04.37 | Darkclaw66 | zx5 thats horrendous... |
| 18:04.50 | zx5 | why? |
| 18:04.59 | Darkclaw66 | parsing through and modifying the .listing files? |
| 18:05.26 | zx5 | no. the two wget logs over a period of time. |
| 18:05.27 | Darkclaw66 | there are lots of directories and I'd have to parse each one, not good |
| 18:05.35 | Darkclaw66 | each directory has a .listing file |
| 18:05.37 | zx5 | pipe the diff with some filtering to rm |
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| 18:05.43 | zx5 | done |
| 18:05.44 | Darkclaw66 | each sub directory has a .listing file |
| 18:05.44 | brad_ | hey |
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| 18:05.52 | gentlyninja | the current debian testing version of evince pdf viewer does not display pdf and says unhandled mime-type application/octet-stream |
| 18:05.59 | dob1 | and referred to this update-grub will create a grub.cfg file it is the same as the menu.lst ? i don't understand what is it's purpose |
| 18:06.05 | zx5 | wget log will have the entire dir structure in a single file |
| 18:06.15 | Darkclaw66 | not with -mirror mode |
| 18:06.22 | Darkclaw66 | it has a log file in each directory |
| 18:06.37 | brad_ | i need to boot a pc and image copy it, but i cant' get the usb to work after boot. I'm going to use the debian netinstaller, but then I'm going to need some recovery tools, at the least dd |
| 18:06.48 | zx5 | then use the options manually. mirror mode is simply a shortcut to a set of options |
| 18:06.57 | Darkclaw66 | bleh not a viable option |
| 18:06.58 | zx5 | nothing special about it |
| 18:07.03 | eptalon | any autogenerated headers for kernel 2.6.28 yet? (sid/unstable)? |
| 18:07.11 | zx5 | up to you |
| 18:07.16 | zx5 | trying to help here |
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| 18:07.21 | dmoerner | eptalon, what arch? |
| 18:07.24 | Darkclaw66 | there should be another way, maybe another ftp client |
| 18:07.29 | Darkclaw66 | or rsync |
| 18:07.50 | eptalon | dmoerner: AMD64 |
| 18:08.03 | enyawix | any way to get the debian kernel .config? it would have been nice if support for reading it frpm /proc was compiled into the kernel |
| 18:08.04 | zx5 | if you could do rsync, then why are you even thinking about all this? |
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| 18:08.29 | eptalon | dmoerner: yesterday or day before, it depended on some linux-kbuild, which wasnt there. |
| 18:08.32 | simonrvn | enyawix: /boot/config* |
| 18:08.36 | dmoerner | the headers are there, but you need linux-kbuild-2.6.28. |
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| 18:08.44 | dmoerner | eptalon, i have it on my alioth space: http://alioth.debian.org/~dmoerner-guest/ |
| 18:08.45 | patintin | waves |
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| 18:09.02 | Darkclaw66 | i've never used rsync but I hear its the right thing to use |
| 18:09.18 | Darkclaw66 | if the remote computer is a windows os, will it still work? |
| 18:09.19 | eptalon | dmoerner: I only need the deb, right? |
| 18:09.54 | eptalon | dmoerner: Rsync is done via some rfc, there are clients/servers for Win |
| 18:09.55 | enyawix | simonrvn thanks that is what i was looking for |
| 18:09.58 | patintin | one quick question on subversion: is subversion good for a document tracking system for binary document formats? |
| 18:09.58 | zx5 | maybe there is an rsync port for win |
| 18:10.00 | unop | Darkclaw66, if the windows computer has rsync running, sure |
| 18:10.22 | zx5 | rsync is the best solution for syncing remote machines |
| 18:10.27 | Darkclaw66 | I could install it. Is it fairly easy to setup? |
| 18:10.28 | eptalon | patintin: For binary files you will not get meaningfuil changes.. |
| 18:10.28 | dmoerner | eptalon, yeah, or you can download the source and verify it with my gpg key, and build it yourself |
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| 18:11.01 | konr | guys, I'm not being able to install a package (mplayer-snapshot) in my debian box |
| 18:11.06 | ajavid | hey |
| 18:11.17 | konr | it requires three other packages (cairo-png gdk-pixbuf-2.0 glib-2.0), which I try to install with aptitude, but they are not found |
| 18:11.33 | octavio | hi ppl ... I am facing a problem in debian lenny ... I just cant connect to the internet .. networkingmanager says that it is connected with a selt-assigted ip |
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| 18:11.42 | patintin | eptalon and dmoerner: i was thinking of using subversion to host my pdf, ms office files, oo.org files, latex, etc.. |
| 18:11.43 | octavio | and I just can open any page |
| 18:11.51 | konr | I'm not sure if they are named differently in debian... what do you think? |
| 18:11.57 | octavio | can not |
| 18:12.02 | ajavid | say for example you build 10 packages from source, and you have to configure the build options differently, and you do, and everything is fine, and then when the package is upgraded, how can one easily apply the rules/control from the previous package to the new |
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| 18:12.18 | dmoerner | ajavid, use a vcs |
| 18:12.19 | ajavid | like gentoo installs configuration data in /etc/, no matter how updated of a soruce you get |
| 18:12.29 | ajavid | it will contain the same build options |
| 18:12.34 | ajavid | dmoerner, vcs? |
| 18:12.50 | eptalon | patintin: I use it for latex (source) files; some java (source files), etc. it supports "binary" files, but you will not get a meaningful changelog. |
| 18:12.55 | dmoerner | ajavid, version control system, like git |
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| 18:13.02 | Darkclaw66 | does rsync automatically delete files if it doesnt exist on the remote server? |
| 18:13.10 | ajavid | dmoerner, oh cvs |
| 18:13.11 | ajavid | heh |
| 18:13.12 | dmoerner | Darkclaw66, only if you pass it --delete |
| 18:13.13 | avu | Darkclaw66, only if you tell it to |
| 18:13.23 | simonrvn | cvs is only one of many vcs ... |
| 18:13.24 | Darkclaw66 | nice |
| 18:13.33 | eptalon | ajavid: a more recent version (with more features) than cvs. |
| 18:13.35 | ajavid | oh i thought vcs was a typo |
| 18:13.38 | ajavid | for csv |
| 18:13.44 | unop | csv :) |
| 18:13.44 | ajavid | but yeh, I like git more than anything else |
| 18:13.52 | ajavid | i mean cvs |
| 18:13.58 | konr | I mean, how can I find out if I have glib-2.0 installed? |
| 18:13.59 | ajavid | man fucking allt hes little tiny acronyms |
| 18:14.02 | eptalon | simonrvn: besides cvs, and svn, what else is free and widely deployed? |
| 18:14.07 | ajavid | eptalon, git |
| 18:14.14 | ajavid | eptalon, kernel uses git |
| 18:14.24 | simonrvn | git, bzr, arch, bazaar (not much used anymore) |
| 18:14.29 | dmoerner | git, hg, bzr, darcs |
| 18:14.30 | simonrvn | cvs of course |
| 18:14.36 | simonrvn | oh yeh hg |
| 18:14.42 | unop | eptalon, git, mercurial, bazaar, rcs, sccs, etc |
| 18:14.43 | ajavid | unop, hey |
| 18:14.43 | eptalon | ajavid: but i guess git has similar issues with "binary" content. |
| 18:14.52 | ajavid | unop, whats up bash man! |
| 18:14.53 | ajavid | ;) |
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| 18:15.09 | unop | ajavid, bash man? :) |
| 18:15.11 | eptalon | dmoerner: thanks. worked. |
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| 18:15.19 | ajavid | unop, you are the lord of the BASH! |
| 18:15.32 | unop | ajavid, err no, i just hang out in #bash sometimes |
| 18:15.32 | simonrvn | konr: dpkg -l; man dpkg |
| 18:15.33 | dmoerner | Darkclaw66, please use the channel. /msg bots not people |
| 18:15.35 | ajavid | unop, thats how I remember you anyway, always a working solutions for almost any bash related problem |
| 18:15.40 | ajavid | unop, you've helped me quite a bit |
| 18:15.42 | dmoerner | Darkclaw66, http://sial.org/howto/rsync/ http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html |
| 18:15.48 | unop | ajavid, :) |
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| 18:15.55 | ajavid | unop, stoned man |
| 18:15.58 | ajavid | c'mon |
| 18:16.12 | unop | ajavid, stoned man? |
| 18:16.15 | ajavid | nm |
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| 18:16.27 | unop | the stoner is someone else |
| 18:16.33 | ajavid | no it is I |
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| 18:16.38 | unop | ahh |
| 18:16.44 | simonrvn | ajavid: a little more splaining would make it more clear |
| 18:16.47 | ajavid | I have stopped toking up though, and assumed my real identify and signed up with debian officially |
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| 18:17.15 | konr | Is glib the same as glibc? |
| 18:17.15 | ajavid | didn't feel paranoid anymore to give my real id out like this on irc, be more professional, less OT |
| 18:17.32 | simonrvn | konr: no |
| 18:18.32 | simonrvn | glibc is short for GNU libc; glib is AKA libglib |
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| 18:20.48 | enyawix | ncurses? i know i can build a kernel without it but do not want to |
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| 18:22.49 | konr | hmm |
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| 18:22.49 | contus_ | hi |
| 18:23.01 | simonrvn | enyawix: ncurses is just for the menuconfig make target |
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| 18:23.08 | testebr | i need to make a link over a internal figure. how to make it? |
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| 18:24.22 | konr | Is there any snapshot utility like mplayer-snapshot (http://code.google.com/p/mplayer-snapshot/) available as a debian package? |
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| 18:30.31 | octavio | hi ppl I need some help here I am completly lost O_o .... my debian cant get the correct ip from dhcpi... it connects saying something like you are now connected with a self assignated ip |
| 18:30.41 | octavio | I can not connect to the internet |
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| 18:32.10 | octavio | in the same PC starting with linux it works fine so I know that is not the cable nor the router :s |
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| 18:33.02 | th0ger | Should i use linux-image 486 or 686 for Intel Atom? |
| 18:33.04 | SaneSmith | whats the package so that php will work with apache2 and mysql? |
| 18:33.09 | SaneSmith | is it php5-mysql? |
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| 18:33.36 | pipeline | th0ger: 686 |
| 18:33.49 | th0ger | pipeline: thx |
| 18:34.12 | SaneSmith | anyone? |
| 18:34.57 | octavio | I already tryed configure my lan with ifconfig .. but no luck either :( |
| 18:35.09 | pipeline | konr: use apt-get build-dep mplayer to automatically get the dependencies you'll need to build the code from mplayer-snapshot yourself |
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| 18:48.24 | dabreegster | I'm having printing problems. Hooked up my desktop 656c to a new testing box, cups automatically added the printer. Everything printed comes out as "uifp.power1;udw.quit;" Google doesn't know this error. On new machine, the driver is HP Deskjet 656c Foomatic/hpijs, hpijs 2.8.6b. On my old box where the printer works, it's HP DeskJet Series, 1.3. |
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| 18:49.50 | avtobiff | hi, i have a macbook v2 and the no microphone works. i have googled but only found broken links to kernel patches. i now run 2.6.29-rc2 and no microphone works. any suggestions? |
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| 18:50.37 | avtobiff | do i need the mactel patches? |
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| 18:50.42 | magyar | hi, looking for command that can display bios info of a server |
| 18:51.02 | avtobiff | magyar, what server? |
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| 18:51.12 | avtobiff | magyar, does dmidecode suffice? |
| 18:51.55 | magyar | avtobiff: any system, I used to use a command that would display a detailed hardware info etc |
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| 18:52.01 | magyar | can't recall it now |
| 18:52.12 | magyar | hwinfo |
| 18:52.15 | magyar | thats it |
| 18:52.16 | magyar | thanks |
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| 19:00.09 | Luke-asss | hi ppl |
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| 19:01.13 | Luke-asss | i have this problem, when i am installing the new debian: "device /dev/sda has a logical sector size of 2048. not al parts of gnu parted support this at the moment and the working code is HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL" |
| 19:01.25 | Luke-asss | what shall i do? |
| 19:01.56 | Luke-asss | if i proceed, it stops at "starting up the partitioner |
| 19:03.33 | azeem | Luke-asss: is that the text-mode or graphical installer? |
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| 19:04.34 | Luke-asss | azeem: graphical |
| 19:05.17 | azeem | do you have the possiblity to partition your harddisk otherwise? |
| 19:05.31 | azeem | or maybe try the text-mode installer, though I'm not sure that would differ |
| 19:06.13 | Luke-asss | ok i´ll try |
| 19:07.01 | valdyn | Luke-asss: what is the physical device behind sda? |
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| 19:10.12 | Bryan92 | hi, I need to query 2 text files, and combine this, I want to do this with linux command line tools |
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| 19:10.29 | Bryan92 | This is what I want: 1 file has 1 million lines, with on each line 35555533|ICE_COLD_LONDON| and in general SERIALNUMBER_RANGE|LABELNAME. file 2 has 1 million lines with on each line 3555555333333 only. This number is the whole serial number. What I like to do now is something is cat file1 | grep LONDON | and then check which lines in file 2 are in the range of SERIALNUMBER_RANGE. Anyone knows if this is possible with grep etc? |
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| 19:17.25 | dob1 | after the aptitude dist-upgrade for the upgrade to lenny i get this http://pastebin.com/md83fc7 how can i resolve? |
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| 19:18.00 | felix_ | Hi |
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| 19:19.30 | nkuttler | !localized errors |
| 19:19.31 | dpkg | i guess localized errors is it's generally a good idea to set your locale to english when you need to show error messages to someone else. LANG=C command |
| 19:19.35 | nkuttler | dob1: ^^ |
| 19:19.44 | felix_ | Did someone here ever had the problem that packets get lost while routing? But not all packets get lost, if i ping than it s propable that 1-10 goes well, 11-20 not, then 21-30 again... any ideas? |
| 19:19.49 | dob1 | nkuttler: ok i retry |
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| 19:20.03 | Darkclaw66 | is this correct to delete directories older than 30 days find /home/test/test -type d -mtime +30 -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 19:20.03 | nkuttler | felix_: broken router? |
| 19:20.16 | felix_ | nkuttler: it s a debian server |
| 19:20.59 | azeem | Darkclaw66: eh, ÄI'm not sure the timestamp of the directory always gets updated when files therein change |
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| 19:21.26 | felix_ | Oh sorry, forgot that these problems just occur on one interface. The debian has one internet interface and two lan interfaces (which are virtual bridges). i see the packets coming into the bridge and not always leaving the system. |
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| 19:21.42 | Darkclaw66 | it works but the problem is that I get errors: find: /home/test/test: No such file or directory |
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| 19:21.55 | nkuttler | Darkclaw66: find -print0 etc |
| 19:22.13 | simonrvn | the TS of a grand-parent dir won't change if a child dir has a changed file, and changed TS. |
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| 19:22.26 | nkuttler | Darkclaw66: hm, not sure about exec though, i always pipe to xargs |
| 19:22.30 | dob1 | ok the errors that i get now are these after the aptitude dist-upgrade http://pastebin.com/m61a51c8e |
| 19:22.35 | Darkclaw66 | how do I pipe to xargs? |
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| 19:22.45 | nkuttler | Darkclaw66: find -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 19:22.47 | simonrvn | i.e., /my/dir/file --- /my won't change, but file will and so will dir/ |
| 19:23.03 | Darkclaw66 | im not worried about the parent directories |
| 19:23.20 | Darkclaw66 | its the sub directories I need deleted |
| 19:23.58 | dob1 | i tried to remove memtest86 but it is unable to do it, and this is one error |
| 19:24.09 | Darkclaw66 | the thing is, it deletes the right folders but find gives error that the directory doesnt exist. Well thats because it gets deleted |
| 19:24.09 | nkuttler | dob1: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ fix the postrm script |
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| 19:24.21 | Darkclaw66 | how can I stop it from thinking that it doesnt exist? |
| 19:24.31 | Darkclaw66 | obviously it did exist |
| 19:24.37 | nkuttler | dob1: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ fix the postrm script |
| 19:24.40 | Jemt | Hi. My Debian 5.0 is having trouble using ACPI (I think). The laptop monitor is not handled probably (turns on automatically when an external monitor is connected, Fn+F7 dosn't switch displays as it's supposed to do). I have installed acpid and acpi, and all modules have been loaded (button, battery, processor, thermal, acpi etc.). Any suggestions ? It worked fine on Etch |
| 19:25.35 | Darkclaw66 | you know what I mean? |
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| 19:27.00 | Jemt | The following modules have been loaded: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/ACPI-HOWTO/#loadmodules (except NVidia which isn't really relevant here) |
| 19:27.21 | dob1 | nkuttler: i delete all the content of it, it was a check but it fails, what i have to put inside it? |
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| 19:28.08 | nkuttler | dob1: ....... i said fix it, not delete the content. anyway, exit 0 |
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| 19:28.59 | mrglinux1 | I need torrent Clint under cmd |
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| 19:29.13 | Dllbrt | If someone here has had successful experience building a glibc-2.5 or newer from sourceware source and running make check, please message me to tell me how |
| 19:29.14 | mrglinux1 | I need torrent client under cmd |
| 19:29.44 | nkuttler | mrglinux1: rtorrent |
| 19:30.07 | azeem | Dllbrt: what do you mean, make check |
| 19:30.16 | azeem | Dllbrt: that the test suite runs without errors? |
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| 19:30.32 | Dllbrt | the command "make check", running the Makefile routine for self-testing |
| 19:30.50 | Dllbrt | I don't care about errors at this point. I just want the run not to crash |
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| 19:31.04 | azeem | how does it crash |
| 19:31.12 | azeem | Dllbrt: and what kernel version and architecture? |
| 19:31.22 | Dllbrt | with defects in testing the intl stuff |
| 19:31.41 | dob1 | nkuttler: nothing same error, i am editing memtest86.postrm |
| 19:32.01 | Dllbrt | kernel 2.6.12 i586 from mandriva, running gcc 4.2.4 |
| 19:32.02 | nkuttler | dob1: paste your script, /msg dpkg paste |
| 19:32.14 | azeem | Dllbrt: so get a recent kernel |
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| 19:32.32 | Dllbrt | azeem, I'm also not familiar with building a kernel |
| 19:32.39 | azeem | Dllbrt: then why do you build glibc? |
| 19:32.40 | nkuttler | Darkclaw66: please ask in the channel |
| 19:32.58 | dob1 | nkuttler: it's only exit 0 |
| 19:33.01 | Dllbrt | but, why shoulnd't glibc run with this kernel? It's supposed to be standard C |
| 19:33.05 | Darkclaw66 | you fail nkuttler |
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| 19:33.29 | nkuttler | me fail, that's unpossible |
| 19:33.39 | Dllbrt | there's a bug in the test routine from the redhat coders who write glibc |
| 19:33.57 | dob1 | it says dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute old post-removal script: Exec format error what is the OLD post-removal |
| 19:34.06 | azeem | Dllbrt: 20:31 < azeem> Dllbrt: then why do you build glibc? |
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| 19:34.21 | Dllbrt | because I want a newer one |
| 19:34.23 | azeem | Dllbrt: glibc isn't standard C, it *provides* standard C |
| 19:34.26 | azeem | Dllbrt: so install it? |
| 19:34.30 | azeem | Dllbrt: are you running Debian? |
| 19:34.43 | nkuttler | dob1: well, is it a valid shell script? |
| 19:34.47 | Dllbrt | no, i'm thinking about switching to another distro |
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| 19:35.22 | nkuttler | dob1: ah, no.... the first line has to be #!/bin/sh |
| 19:35.31 | dob1 | nkuttler: yes i added it and now it's ok thanks |
| 19:35.32 | azeem | Dllbrt: then sorry, we only support Debian here |
| 19:35.44 | Dllbrt | However, azeem, why are you trying to discourage people from doing an upgrade? Your tone is hostile and I'm not looking for hostility. I'm looking for helpful advice |
| 19:36.00 | azeem | Dllbrt: you don't upgrade by building glibc |
| 19:36.00 | nkuttler | dob1: that's why you don't just delete file contents. ask how to do something if you don't know. :) |
| 19:36.09 | azeem | Dllbrt: glibc should not be built by users |
| 19:36.16 | azeem | it's highly non-trivial |
| 19:36.18 | Dllbrt | nonsense |
| 19:36.29 | azeem | well, if you think so |
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| 19:37.20 | Dllbrt | the whole point of opensource free software is that many eyes make bugs easy to find. I found that glibc 2.4-2.9 all have the same bug in the intl test code |
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| 19:37.36 | Dllbrt | so the many eyes seem to have been out to lunch for several years |
| 19:37.49 | nkuttler | Dllbrt: get the debian sources |
| 19:38.07 | Dllbrt | nkuttler, doing it, hoping for better luck |
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| 19:44.32 | plaur | any problems with lenny on a motherboard using Intel's G45 chipset? |
| 19:44.55 | Jemt | Can someone help me get my Fn+F7 key combination to work in order to be able to switch my laptop monitor off ? |
| 19:45.05 | Jemt | It worked in Etch, not on Lenny |
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| 19:47.15 | jpinx | Is there any way I can get a USB extension hub working in lenny with USB1.1 (old laptop with only one port)? |
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| 19:53.18 | gentlyninja | how can i download sourcecode packages with aptitude? i checked in man but didnt find any section |
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| 19:53.43 | avtobiff | gentlyninja, you use apt-get source for that |
| 19:53.58 | plaur | gentlyninja: afaik, you can't - use apt-get source |
| 19:54.11 | gentlyninja | ah ok thanks |
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| 19:54.46 | parceval | hi i am looking for a way to intercepts stdout from another process. |
| 19:55.01 | avtobiff | parceval, in what context? |
| 19:55.43 | parceval | avtobiff: i want to know when a specific string is written |
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| 19:56.08 | avtobiff | parceval, redirect stdout to another file and tail/tee that file? |
| 19:56.26 | parceval | the process is already running |
| 19:56.59 | parceval | ist amrecover and he tells me from time to time to change a tape. |
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| 19:57.12 | parceval | but i dont want to look at the terminal all the time |
| 19:57.38 | parceval | so i want to sent a notification when he needs another tape, through growl |
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| 19:58.08 | parceval | i tried to cat the tty but that did not work. |
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| 19:58.28 | scum | How do I prevent the screen from turning black after some time. I am not using xscreensaver afaik. |
| 19:58.50 | stew | scum: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 19:59.19 | wedge | is there anyone who has the debian lenny install cd with the bnx2 firmware integrated? |
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| 20:01.17 | stew | wedge: you can load the firmware from a usb drive during the install |
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| 20:01.27 | wedge | stew: not over idrac |
| 20:02.03 | wedge | stew: I know I can load it on an USB stick, but that's not the point. and the mountdrive does recognize the idrac mounted floppy but the installer wont recognize it |
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| 20:02.27 | nicko | hi |
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| 20:02.55 | nicko | anyone knows what I should do if I add disks and my root moves from sda to sdc |
| 20:02.59 | BierBasti_ | ein deutscher chat? |
| 20:03.08 | nicko | (and I want to keep it in sdc?) |
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| 20:03.11 | jpinx | !de |
| 20:03.11 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
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| 20:03.40 | basix | in debian, what exactly is thunderbird? |
| 20:03.50 | stew | basix: icedove |
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| 20:05.43 | basix | stew, thanks |
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| 20:09.19 | leoventura | How can I remove /dev/md0 with mdadm?? I already reinstall the system but when I install mdadm the damn /dev/md0 reappears |
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| 20:09.47 | enouf | leoventura: zero out the superblock? |
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| 20:10.14 | enouf | leoventura: docs and howtos in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* and the man pages |
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| 20:11.01 | anon | do you know of any problemas with intel pro/wireless 3945abg |
| 20:11.13 | leoventura | enouf mdadm --zero-superblock...oww...I see it in manpage but don't understand...don't speek in english....tnxx |
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| 20:13.09 | enouf | anon: do you know of anything in this world withOUT problems? :-P |
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| 20:17.12 | jimbalaya | I've just upgraded from Etch to Lenny, and now when I run 'startx' it fails (LCD TV has "No Signal" alert) ... I'm not seeing actual errors anywhere - what would I need to provide you in order to troubleshoot this? |
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| 20:18.06 | jimbalaya | I've tried dpkg-reconfigure, i've tried uninstalling all xserver packages & reinstalling them, i've tried with & without an xorg.conf file present, and i've tried a number of xorg.conf configurations |
| 20:18.15 | Guerin | jimbalaya: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:18.38 | jimbalaya | "(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 20:18.38 | jimbalaya | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER" |
| 20:18.45 | jimbalaya | so, no errors... |
| 20:19.37 | Guerin | jimbalaya: then it's working as intended :) |
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| 20:19.37 | jimbalaya | hehehe |
| 20:19.38 | jimbalaya | ok, thank you for fixing it, Guerin :-D |
| 20:19.38 | Guerin | jimbalaya: that'll be $250 plus tax |
| 20:19.38 | jimbalaya | Guerin: |
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| 20:19.52 | enouf | jimbalaya: maybe ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 20:19.52 | simonrvn | do you have a tax number? |
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| 20:20.00 | Guerin | simonrvn: I have several! |
| 20:20.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:20.32 | aleSZ | please can somebody help with veejay error on lenny ? http://pastebin.com/m74a69814 |
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| 20:20.59 | enouf | jimbalaya: which driver? read that driver's manpage, also learn about 'xrandr' |
| 20:22.04 | simonrvn | figures... after close to 2 hours of screwing around with it, i find out rrdtool segfaults on GPRINT are NOT my fault, and a bug. |
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| 20:22.38 | enouf | jimbalaya: but it does seem like you either a) need something specific if using a DTV cable, or b) some specific monitor settings |
| 20:22.58 | simonrvn | new upstream as of a while back too |
| 20:23.26 | enouf | jimbalaya: usually 'Signal Out of Range' is indicative of missing Vert/Hor refresh rates set in Monitor section |
| 20:23.38 | gewt | what does spkd-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 20:23.40 | enouf | jimbalaya: i know your error is different, but .. |
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| 20:23.47 | gewt | change when you choose ~/Mialdir instead of /var/mail ? |
| 20:23.55 | gewt | i need to know, so I can use it on another distro. |
| 20:24.03 | jimbalaya | X will start without a Window Manager, right? |
| 20:24.03 | wedge | I too would like a Mialdir |
| 20:24.07 | wedge | MIALDIR! |
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| 20:24.12 | gewt | maildir* |
| 20:24.18 | wedge | =) |
| 20:24.24 | simonrvn | read up on what maildir and mbox mailbox formats are and you'll know. |
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| 20:31.16 | mrglinux1 | where can I ask this question I have this in rtorrent: 298.6 / 4549.2 MB Rate: 326.3 / 129.0 KB Uploaded: 694.6 MB [ 6%] 0d 9:22 [ R: 2.33] |
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| 20:31.26 | mrglinux1 | I download a dvd that I got 298MB of 4549.2 |
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| 20:31.31 | mrglinux1 | what is Uploaded that is 694.6 MB |
| 20:31.38 | mrglinux1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.40 | karakus | slm |
| 20:31.45 | karakus | zzzz |
| 20:32.19 | karakus | slm |
| 20:32.26 | acu_rodna | guys I am trying to install Ekiga 3.01 and snapshot 3.1.2 ( I think) it needs libpt2.4.2 and libopal3.4.2 are this available somewhere ? |
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| 20:34.59 | jimbalaya | drivers "vesa" , "vga" (with depth set to 8) , and "intel" all perform exactly the same (run startx, goes to "No Signal", falls back to term with no errors) :-/ |
| 20:35.44 | plaur | is anyone running a lenny desktop with intel integrated graphics g41, g43 or g45? any issues? |
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| 20:38.46 | karakus | :dito: |
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| 20:46.23 | res22 | Anyone have any ideas on how to get ls to include hidden "." files |
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| 20:46.30 | res22 | In lenny |
| 20:47.07 | anon | hi, the machine is connected to the internet, but it doesn't ping google. |
| 20:47.09 | martian67 | res22, man ls |
| 20:47.13 | martian67 | first entry |
| 20:47.16 | anon | can you help me ? |
| 20:48.23 | anon | "unknown host" |
| 20:48.31 | CoolCold | anon: |
| 20:48.32 | CoolCold | coolcold@coolcold:~$ host google.com |
| 20:48.32 | CoolCold | google.com A 74.125.45.100 |
| 20:48.36 | CoolCold | try to ping this ip |
| 20:48.39 | anon | but /etc/resolv.conf exists |
| 20:48.59 | res22 | martian67: I can't believe the 1st thing I did was post on irc, instead of checking the man pages :( |
| 20:49.01 | anon | operation not permmited |
| 20:49.05 | res22 | Sorry |
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| 20:49.11 | anon | CoolCold: |
| 20:49.12 | martian67 | res22, its a nasty habit |
| 20:49.15 | martian67 | try to break it |
| 20:49.16 | res22 | Aye |
| 20:49.19 | Jemt | res22, ls -la |
| 20:49.23 | martian67 | it just wastes everyone's time heh |
| 20:49.52 | CoolCold | anon: really? |
| 20:50.04 | anon | CoolCold: yes. what does it mean ? |
| 20:50.18 | CoolCold | anon: not sure..mb iptables rules? |
| 20:50.24 | martian67 | it likey means ping isnt setuid root |
| 20:50.37 | rey | CoolCold: stop firestarter or flush iptable rules |
| 20:50.46 | martian67 | or there is some kind of SElinux going on |
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| 20:51.15 | martian67 | operation not permmited would not be generated from an iptables rule |
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| 20:52.05 | valentin___ | Hi, im on etch and i want to install newest software .. how can i do that? |
| 20:52.14 | CoolCold | selinux mb.. |
| 20:52.16 | valentin___ | for example rtorrent |
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| 20:52.52 | CoolCold | valentin___: upgrade to lenny? |
| 20:52.55 | CoolCold | or use backports |
| 20:52.57 | valentin___ | etch has a very old version .. i would do a upgrade but i cant change kernel as im on a xen system |
| 20:53.11 | valentin___ | backports |
| 20:53.35 | valentin___ | CoolCold: how do i use backports .. or do you have a good howto? |
| 20:53.37 | CoolCold | not sure about existance of rtorrent in backports.. |
| 20:53.53 | CoolCold | since i'm using utorrent :) |
| 20:53.55 | CoolCold | valentin___: sure |
| 20:54.23 | CoolCold | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 20:54.38 | CoolCold | use etch-backports instaed of lenny-backports |
| 20:55.14 | CoolCold | *instead |
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| 20:56.09 | Jemt | This is SO frustrating. I can't get my laptop to work properly with Lenny, even though Etch worked right out of the box. The laptop monitor is not controlled properly. During boot I loose control with the laptop key combinations (ie Fn+F7 to change monitors). Any suggestions? I'm not expecting answers, just hints - where should I be looking for a solution ? |
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| 21:00.11 | acu_rodna | are there some special settings for experimental with regard to its addition to sources.list ? |
| 21:00.11 | Jemt | Is it possible to boot the kernel in "Interactive mode" so that I can bypass certain services and see exactly what happens ? |
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| 21:01.20 | pngwn | !experimental |
| 21:01.20 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 21:05.07 | nkuttler | Jemt: don't you have an external monitor that you can hook up? |
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| 21:05.47 | Jemt | nkuttler, Yes, I'm using both the laptop monitor and external monitor. |
| 21:06.05 | hallowname | how can i map my kmix to xf86* keys (volume, hotkeys)? in gnome it just worked. in kde i cant set those keys as shortcuts. :( any tips? debian newb |
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| 21:07.28 | jimbalaya | the /etc/X/xorg.conf (or other files) configuration has nothing to do with X displays within a vnc session, correct?... |
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| 21:09.54 | parodyoflanguage | How can I find out where aptitude installs packages at? |
| 21:10.42 | hallowname | parodyoflanguage: 'sudo dpkg -L packagename' |
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| 21:13.00 | jimbalaya | could my kernel (2.6.26-2, unmodified from before my upgrade from etch to lenny) be somehow contributing to X not working? |
| 21:13.03 | parodyoflanguage | hallowname: Thanks. |
| 21:13.11 | Jemt | Ok, better explaination follows.. |
| 21:13.12 | Jemt | I have a problem with Debian Lenny. On Debian Etch I was able to switch between monitors (on my laptop) using Fn + F7. Now this is only possible during some of the boot process. Suddently ^@ is written on the monitor when I press the key combination, and nothing happens. When Linux is up and running, still nothing happens when pressing Fn + F7, not even ^@ is written on the screen. If I turn off the laptop monitor during BIOS boot, and then boot |
| 21:13.12 | Jemt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:14.40 | SiebaZ | hello |
| 21:14.44 | Madkiss | hi folks. after updating from etch to lenny, my physical volumes from lvm2 are suddenly gone ... |
| 21:14.51 | Madkiss | has this been reported before? is it a known bug, m aybe? |
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| 21:17.25 | petemc | Madkiss: if you run vgchange -ay do they reappear? |
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| 21:18.45 | SiebaZ | someone here who knows how to install a microtek 636cx with sane? |
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| 21:22.41 | wonderwal | if one is running stable, and wants one package from say testing or unstable, are you in for problems? |
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| 21:25.12 | nkuttler | wonderwal: /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 21:28.59 | wonderwal | there is an ia64 version of stable? |
| 21:29.30 | amphi | wonderwal: for itanium? |
| 21:29.53 | wonderwal | err my processor is intel quad core xeon |
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| 21:30.26 | enouf | then no |
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| 21:30.45 | amphi | ia64 is for itanium - amd64 is the arch for 64 bit x86 |
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| 21:32.08 | amphi | hey enouf - do the dark clouds clear somewhat? |
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| 21:33.05 | enouf | somewhat .. i think - thanks |
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| 21:33.50 | nicko | I did e2fsck -c -c |
| 21:34.00 | nicko | and it takes too much time |
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| 21:34.19 | nicko | is it possible to stop it without adverse effects? |
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| 21:36.51 | soniker_89_01001 | Hi im looking for a good Stragy game like "AGE of EMPIRE 2 II" |
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| 21:37.17 | wonderwal | lets say a package depends on a lib, you try remove the lib with apt-get.. will it complain? |
| 21:37.17 | soniker_89_01001 | hello enyone |
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| 21:38.06 | aburch | wonderwal: Yes. |
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| 21:38.29 | amphi | enouf: BTW, xmonad just gets better and better ;) |
| 21:38.59 | nicko | anyone knows if badblocks handles sigterm gracefully? |
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| 21:39.07 | wonderwal | is apt smart? how hard is it to run into problems with apt if you just keep to stable? |
| 21:39.33 | enouf | amphi: btw, having to lose all my entire xsession to loadup the new libc6{-686} really sucks ass |
| 21:40.11 | amphi | enouf: you should run all your important stuff in screen ;) |
| 21:40.14 | dansushi | on the debian live cds, what is the root password? |
| 21:40.44 | enouf | amphi: 104 keys isn't een enough for the amount of open windows i have |
| 21:40.53 | enouf | s/een/even |
| 21:41.01 | nkuttler | dansushi: did you try to sudo? |
| 21:41.12 | dansushi | oh, no, thanks |
| 21:41.28 | nkuttler | dansushi: never used the debian live cd, but that's what others use |
| 21:41.32 | enouf | amphi: (assuming each key was assigned to each window, xterm, whatever) |
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| 21:42.05 | amphi | gives enouf a tabbed terminal emulator |
| 21:42.24 | enouf | has an uses one now |
| 21:42.29 | enouf | and* |
| 21:42.38 | enouf | that doesn't help |
| 21:42.48 | gaintsura | I'm configuring an install via the network install disk, what is included in the standard system package in the menu with the desktop/web/file/sql/laptop packages/tasks? |
| 21:43.12 | amphi | no? I have several screen sessions in tabs, and find it quite manageable |
| 21:44.05 | nkuttler | tabs and screen? that would confuse me |
| 21:44.15 | enouf | amphi: thanks for the thoughts though - i'll just suck it up ... and go through them all - keep/bookmark what i want - and come back or something (it'll take me days to go through all this) - and, for browsing, even when Midori crashes it doesn't restore session/tabs :-( (even with midori-dbg installed and running) |
| 21:44.55 | amphi | enouf: midori has restored the session fine here, for long - do you have the option enabled in preferences? ;) |
| 21:44.59 | amphi | ducks |
| 21:45.00 | dondelelcaro | gaintsura: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 21:46.13 | gaintsura | thanks |
| 21:46.18 | enouf | amphi: tabbed-xterms are fine (as i said, i use them - .bash_history is nice) - but that's not related to the issue with glibc i mention -- now, the bad thing about tabbed-xterms is their all their own processes/history :-( |
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| 21:46.38 | enouf | amphi: i think so |
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| 21:47.03 | gaintsura | dondelelcaro: thanks, so that is really the normal file tools =) thats what I needed to know |
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| 21:47.14 | amphi | I don't much care about history ;) |
| 21:47.38 | enouf | amphi: that's all i care about - typing just sucks so much |
| 21:47.52 | amphi | heh |
| 21:48.05 | Madkiss | petemc: no |
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| 21:51.05 | valentin___ | what can i do if i want to install newer packages then the ones available through apt-get ? |
| 21:51.12 | wonderwal | amphi: will quad core xeon processor work with amd64? |
| 21:51.38 | amphi | wonderwal: no idea - is it 64 bit? ;) |
| 21:51.50 | wonderwal | amphi: most likely |
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| 21:52.10 | amphi | wonderwal: good to know - is 'lm' in the cpuinfo flags? |
| 21:53.31 | wonderwal | amphi: lahf_lm is there |
| 21:53.43 | wonderwal | actually lm is there |
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| 21:54.01 | amphi | that's the sign of 64 bitness as far as I know |
| 21:54.03 | parsonsd | lahf - 'haha'? |
| 21:54.52 | jimbalaya | fyi, my issue wasn't with X after my upgrade from etch-lenny it was with my window manager ... that wasn't starting properly which was causing X to fall back to terminal |
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| 21:55.20 | wonderwal | seems like debian docs have improved over the years |
| 21:55.39 | parsonsd | how do i tell if lenny is aware of my dlink USB wireless? |
| 21:57.59 | foetus | Hello, a Question, what is a good translation book for the console? |
| 21:58.12 | nicko | anyone knows if badblocks handles sigterm gracefully? |
| 21:58.24 | enouf | IINM, only on some early semprons (and various bootlegs thereof) have lahf_lm but no lm, since they're not 64bit CPUs |
| 21:58.56 | enouf | actually, all 64bit cpus are only 40bits anyways :-P |
| 21:59.03 | enouf | er x86 ones |
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| 21:59.25 | wonderwal | i need a certain ulimit to be set before an application is executed.. on startup. i'd have to write the init script for this application, how would one have the ulimit option set? |
| 21:59.38 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: just call ulimit before you start it |
| 21:59.42 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: which application is this? |
| 21:59.50 | wonderwal | dondelelcaro: my own |
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| 22:00.31 | wonderwal | dondelelcaro: what's the best way to have my application started on system startup? |
| 22:00.46 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: via an init script |
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| 22:00.57 | wonderwal | dondelcaro: so i'd need to write one? |
| 22:01.11 | nicko | anyone knows if e2fsck handles sigterm gracefully? |
| 22:01.23 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: yes. see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 22:03.23 | enouf | nicko: welp, AFAIK, sigterm is -15, which is the best/1st way to try and stop a process - but i can't answer your query directly |
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| 22:07.09 | wonderwal | is it just me or has debian really improved over the past 3 years :S |
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| 22:08.22 | jamon | enouf, nicko, check /usr/share/doc/e2fsprogs/RELEASE-NOTES.gz supports it as of 1.28, released in 2002 :) |
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| 22:10.13 | wonderwal | how can i check the reverse dependencies for a package? |
| 22:10.22 | Jemt | Is it possible to get the list of packages installed by the Debian Installed when selecting ie "Desktop installation", "Laptop installation" and "Standard Installation" ? |
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| 22:11.46 | parsonsd | are the p54usb drivers in debian main ? or are they in a different category? ( I see them on http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/p54 ) |
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| 22:13.27 | malv | how stable is testing? |
| 22:14.02 | dondelelcaro | malv: impossible to answer that question |
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| 22:14.31 | dondelelcaro | malv: how mauve is a horn? |
| 22:15.08 | wonderwal | when will stable support amd64? |
| 22:15.12 | parsonsd | i've seen those |
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| 22:16.09 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a way to have Network Manager not mess around with eth0? |
| 22:16.09 | malv | so it's probably ubuntu stable then? |
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| 22:17.57 | abrotman | wonderwal: it already does |
| 22:18.08 | wonderwal | hmm |
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| 22:19.20 | wonderwal | abrotman: so i could easily run a mysql server, allow mysql to use 8GB RAM, with stable? |
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| 22:20.03 | valdyn | wonderwal: that feature is around for years |
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| 22:21.55 | valdyn | nicko: how can badblocks not handle it gracefully? |
| 22:22.23 | daedhel | ok here my question. I have installed a minial instal Debian. hal and dbus are there. I have installed VLC. what should I install to plays audio CD ? codecs? libraries? |
| 22:22.38 | valdyn | daedhel: nothing else |
| 22:23.21 | daedhel | valdyn, when I isnert a CD, thunar-volman tells me that it is a blak cd |
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| 22:23.26 | valdyn | daedhel: so thunar is stupid and doesnt know about audio cd |
| 22:23.27 | daedhel | when I insert an audio CD that is... |
| 22:23.31 | gpr | GhostlyDeath: have you configured eth0 in interfaces |
| 22:23.52 | daedhel | valdyn, when I ask vlc to read the cd, it fails |
| 22:23.55 | valdyn | daedhel: doesnt mean you cant play it |
| 22:23.57 | wonderwal | valdyn: so i can run amd64 with absolute peace of mind? |
| 22:24.01 | valdyn | daedhel: fails how? |
| 22:24.09 | daedhel | wiat a sec... |
| 22:24.15 | valdyn | wonderwal: why are you asking this on irc? |
| 22:24.30 | valdyn | wonderwal: theres alot of reliable sources |
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| 22:25.43 | valdyn | daedhel: media -> open disk -> select audio cd -> click play |
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| 22:26.02 | daedhel | valdyn, here is what happens |
| 22:26.04 | daedhel | http://pastebin.com/m5de2555d |
| 22:26.18 | daedhel | valdyn, yeah I know I have tried taht |
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| 22:27.02 | enouf | jamon: thanks |
| 22:27.05 | daedhel | valdyn, same with /dev/hda |
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| 22:28.12 | enouf | Jemt: if tasksel is avail; tasksel --task-packages <taskname> |
| 22:28.45 | wonderwal | valdyn: according to http://debian.org/ports/amd64/ , there is a link to http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, which seems outdated and mentions about 200 packages are problematic. so, it's a bit hard to tell right now |
| 22:29.05 | enouf | Jemt: or, if available; ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort -n | less |
| 22:29.09 | Jemt | enouf: It's not - running the text installer. The packages are not listed in a file ? |
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| 22:29.23 | valdyn | daedhel: vlc has seriously bad error messages |
| 22:29.30 | daedhel | lol |
| 22:29.33 | daedhel | agreed |
| 22:29.39 | enouf | Jemt: somewhere they are ... man tasksel for starters |
| 22:29.41 | daedhel | wait i'll try xfmedia |
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| 22:29.47 | Jemt | enouf: Super, thanks :) |
| 22:30.14 | valdyn | daedhel: maybe it needs cdda2wav |
| 22:30.16 | enouf | Jemt: note; aptitude can also list them |
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| 22:30.54 | daedhel | valdyn, ok trying it |
| 22:31.19 | Jemt | enouf: You know that the packages I'm refering to is those you choose when performing a Debian installation, right? Ie "Desktop environment" (or something similar to that) |
| 22:31.40 | daedhel | valdyn, same problem |
| 22:31.58 | daedhel | valdyn, with cdda2wav |
| 22:32.25 | enouf | Jemt: yes, the dpkg-query example above only lists those if you deselected 'Desktop' and kept only 'Standard' .. or, is it called "Standard Desktop"? |
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| 22:32.46 | enouf | Jemt: 'Priority' is what matters |
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| 22:33.45 | valdyn | daedhel: vlc cdaudio playback is broken for me too, but its actually trying to play |
| 22:33.52 | daedhel | valdyn, xfmedia tells me this when I try to load an audio CD "CDROMREADTOCHDR: Fonction non implantée" wich mean "Fonction not implemented" |
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| 22:34.17 | daedhel | valdyn, i'll try audacious |
| 22:34.43 | enouf | Jemt: important and required are necessary for any base system - standard isn't, neither are the others (web-server, mail-server, etc) .. but there's reasons which i can't go into as to why which pkgs are within which <task> |
| 22:34.47 | Jemt | enouf: Okay, I thought it was as simple as a text file called ie "DesktopEnvironment" that listed all packages supposed to be installed in order to provide the user with a Desktop Environment. But thanks, now I have something to work with. I'm just currious about what packages are installed, in order to figure out what is needed to get Fn+F7 to work (monitor switching). |
| 22:34.47 | valdyn | daedhel: and sound |
| 22:34.54 | valdyn | daedhel: while sound-juicer works perfectly fine |
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| 22:35.08 | Jemt | enouf: Okay |
| 22:35.25 | daedhel | valdyn, what are sound and sound-juicer? audio players? |
| 22:35.44 | valdyn | daedhel: first is a typo, 2nd is a cdaudio ripper and player |
| 22:36.00 | enouf | Jemt: i would say if it's a laptop, it's highly recommended as newcomer to (atleast) select that - but hey, bugs exists everywhere ;-) |
| 22:36.06 | valdyn | daedhel: your command is wrong |
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| 22:36.16 | valdyn | daedhel: its cdda:///dev/cdrom |
| 22:36.22 | valdyn | daedhel: 3 slashes in a row |
| 22:36.31 | enouf | i have 3 /// here too |
| 22:36.32 | daedhel | valdyn, ohh shit |
| 22:36.41 | Jemt | enouf: I chose "Laptop" this time to see if that helps :) |
| 22:36.52 | enouf | Jemt: ;-) |
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| 22:37.18 | ajehals | Just had a discussion about metapackages, specifically that it can be alarming for some new users when removing an application makes it appear that their desktop environment will be removed too, I wonder if there is any way of making that less scary (or if education is the key...) |
| 22:37.41 | daedhel | valdyn, not working either, but different error message : http://pastebin.com/m7b149559 |
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| 22:37.55 | valdyn | wonderwal: debian stable is of the same quality on any architecture in general |
| 22:38.04 | valdyn | wonderwal: i was thinking you would look up kernel stability |
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| 22:38.33 | Jemt | enouf: I don't think it's a bug though - it exists on 3 of my laptops. A lot of people would have noticed this bug. When I install Debian, I always select all my packages my self - I only perform a "Standard Installation". The packages I'm installing on Lenny are the same that I installed on Etch - the difference is; it worked on Etch, It's not working on Lenny. Hopefully I'm able to figure this out |
| 22:38.47 | valdyn | wonderwal: amd64 is the 2nd most popular arch iirc, widely tested and linux/amd64 in general is in wide use everywhere |
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| 22:39.27 | valdyn | !popcon |
| 22:39.27 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 22:39.30 | wonderwal | valdyn: okay thanks, so im not likely to run into a problem, and then be like "maybe its because im using amd64 and not x86"? |
| 22:39.32 | Jemt | There are so many improvements in Lenny that I want - but not being able to switch displays or use proper resolutions are not acceptable. I'd rather stick with Etch then :) |
| 22:39.41 | valdyn | wonderwal: on a server, nope |
| 22:40.05 | wonderwal | valdyn: ok thanks |
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| 22:41.47 | valdyn | daedhel: so theres no audio cd inserted |
| 22:41.49 | daedhel | valdyn, heey might it be because xfce install pulse -audio instead of alsa? |
| 22:42.04 | daedhel | valdyn, yes there is |
| 22:42.17 | valdyn | daedhel: how do you know? |
| 22:42.24 | daedhel | valdyn, it might now be regocnisez though |
| 22:42.29 | valdyn | daedhel: how do you know that /dev/cdrom links to the correct device? |
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| 22:42.46 | daedhel | valdyn, i tried /dev/hda also |
| 22:43.06 | valdyn | daedhel: ok, the issue is not on vlc side anyway |
| 22:43.26 | daedhel | valdyn, ohh ok that was guess also |
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| 22:44.11 | daedhel | anyways, the system (hal and stuff) recognises a new disc has been inserted, but it does not recognise it as an audio cd |
| 22:44.39 | valdyn | daedhel: play it somewhere else to test |
| 22:45.21 | daedhel | valdyn, I have tried with 2 different perfectly working audio cds |
| 22:45.57 | valdyn | daedhel: so maybe the drive is not ok |
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| 22:46.21 | enouf | Jemt: i understand - best way is to file some bug reports; maybe ask on oftc.net (#debian-x) - you atleast are thorough and willing to try, and those are good traits |
| 22:46.37 | daedhel | valdyn, it worked on my previous Archloinux install thoug |
| 22:47.05 | enouf | Jemt: devs might point you to docs at 1st, don't get offended - i have no idea how to diagnose your issue personally |
| 22:47.16 | Jemt | enouf: Thanks, I will give that a go. |
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| 22:48.23 | Jemt | enouf: That's fine too. This entire process have been so frustrating as I have had no clue where to look for a solution. Any help or references to documentation will be of great help :) |
| 22:49.12 | daedhel | valdyn, this is pretty weir he |
| 22:49.32 | enouf | Jemt: lenny-release notes ; any/all xrandr docs ; man xorg.conf ; man {intel,nv,radeon} -- but could be a kernel issue? or this is an X + keymap issue? |
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| 22:51.11 | enouf | Jemt: if you have an Etch to compare too side-by-side with a Lenny, use xmodmap -pk (and/or other options) and xev for X, and showkey and loadkeys for console - /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 22:51.16 | Jemt | enouf: Actually I was able to control both laptop monitor and external monitor using xrandr - switching monitors on/off and changing resolutions. So it's not completely dead. It's probably not driver specific - I'm testing on both I810 and ati - same issue. Not sure about the X+Keymap thing. |
| 22:51.44 | Jemt | enouf: Super, something to work with. I will try that |
| 22:51.47 | djace | i currently have gcc 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 installed. Can 4.1 or 4.2 be removed safely? |
| 22:52.13 | enouf | Jemt: i'm really grasping at straws here - heck - might be a locale issue? .. |
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| 22:53.06 | Jemt | enouf: I think the locales are fine - everything seems to be set up as it's supposed to be. Time, language, currency, keyboard layout etc. |
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| 22:55.12 | Jemt | Okay, I think I will try a clean Debian installation where I select the "Desktop Environment" and "Laptop" package - and of course "Standard system". If that works then I'm probably missing some package, and there is no reason for filing a bug report. It takes a couple of hours for the installation to complete, so I can get a little work done on my PHP project in the mean while :) |
| 22:56.14 | daedhel | valdyn, i'm gonna go try it in vista |
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| 22:56.50 | ebilpanda | hello |
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| 22:59.25 | ebilpanda | debian testing does not install on my 4 year old system because the installer cannot detect the hard disk. I have no problems in winXP, and I was able to install lenny when it used to be the testing version. I've tried several likely drivers from the list, without success. can anyone help? |
| 23:00.16 | ajehals | ebilpanda - any details on what the drive is? |
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| 23:00.31 | ebilpanda | ajehals: hold on- let me check |
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| 23:01.13 | daedhel | valdyn, it works in vista |
| 23:01.53 | Geek`N`Proud | ebilpanda: what about debian stable (lenny)? |
| 23:01.53 | daedhel | anyone esle can help me? audio cds aren't working in debian testing |
| 23:02.26 | ebilpanda | ajehals: it's a Seagate ST980825A PATA drive at 7200rpm, 8MB cache and 80GB capacity |
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| 23:02.40 | ebilpanda | Geek`N`Proud: I haven't tried it yet |
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| 23:04.19 | valdyn | daedhel: ls /dev/cdrom* |
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| 23:04.39 | enouf | cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info ? |
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| 23:05.17 | ebilpanda | Geek`N`Proud: would I be able to start the installation from a stable image and get a sid installation? |
| 23:05.29 | ajehals | ebilpanda - is that a 2.5" disk? (I assume the system in question is a laptop...) |
| 23:05.38 | ebilpanda | ajehals: correct |
| 23:05.44 | ajehals | ebilpanda - thinkpad? |
| 23:05.44 | enouf | wodim -prcap dev=/dev/name ? ; mplayer cdda:// -cdrom-device /dev/name ? |
| 23:05.50 | daedhel | valdyn, enouf, http://pastebin.com/m82581c8 |
| 23:06.13 | valdyn | Can play audio:0 |
| 23:06.25 | daedhel | valdyn, wich means? |
| 23:06.43 | enouf | ouch ? never saw that before |
| 23:06.44 | valdyn | daedhel: 0=false |
| 23:06.50 | ebilpanda | ajehals: it's a custom build by a local vendor, but I will be able to get you details on any component you want |
| 23:06.58 | enouf | sdparm -a /dev/name |
| 23:07.04 | ebilpanda | ajehals: i.e. not a thinkpad |
| 23:07.12 | daedhel | valdyn, yeah i meant, what does that mean since the hardware obviously CAN play audio? |
| 23:07.29 | valdyn | daedhel: we dont know if it can |
| 23:07.37 | enouf | daedhel: something is really wrong with whatever software you have or don't have |
| 23:07.50 | daedhel | valdyn, yest i can, it works in Vista |
| 23:08.05 | valdyn | daedhel: does that mean that it can play audio? i doubt it |
| 23:08.06 | daedhel | enouf, i don,t have sdparm |
| 23:08.32 | ajehals | ebilpanda - I was just taking a quick look if anyone else had issues with the drive, most seem to be related to thinkpads... Although the claim there is that it doesn't show in the bios either... |
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| 23:08.59 | valdyn | daedhel: what happens when you try cdda2wav directly? |
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| 23:09.05 | daedhel | valdyn, i don't understand. I have rebooted 5 mins ago, and Vista was able to play my 2 audio cds, the I came back to debian, and it still does not work |
| 23:09.08 | Geek`N`Proud | ebilpanda: you could install a stable system then dist-upgrade to sid if you like |
| 23:09.30 | daedhel | valdyn, trying that,just a sec |
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| 23:09.44 | enouf | daedhel: any VM install thing? |
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| 23:10.04 | valdyn | daedhel: if you are lucky the easiest way to fix this is installing new firmware on that drive |
| 23:10.08 | ebilpanda | ajehals: I'm guessing it could be due to something different between the stable installer and the testing installer- though I can't see why a new version of the installer would break a 4 year old drive |
| 23:10.22 | enouf | ~$ cdda2wav -J dev=/dev/hda |
| 23:10.52 | daedhel | enouf, yes I have virtualbox with XP on it,connected "direct" to cd driver. i have tried to play audio cd, i can't play the tracks, but it detects that it is an audio cd |
| 23:10.54 | enouf | ~$ cdda2wav -v63 -N -d0 dev=/dev/hda |
| 23:10.55 | ajehals | I haven't had problems with the isntaller not recognising a drive for a long time, even with moderatley exotic hardware and especially not on something that windows would install on... |
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| 23:11.21 | meshuggah | someone can help me configuring my geforce4 video card to use the TV-OUT (in lenny) ? |
| 23:11.28 | enouf | daedhel: sounds like some virtual drive windows weenie DRM bullcrap |
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| 23:11.46 | enouf | alcohol120, daemontools shit |
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| 23:12.02 | ajehals | ebilpanda - can you boot into the installer now? |
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| 23:12.08 | enouf | needs to go ... see ya |
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| 23:12.42 | Strogg | Hrmmm What happened to the ServerLayout section in lenny's xorg.conf? it seems to be gone now |
| 23:12.47 | daedhel | valdyn, enouf, cdda2wav -J dev=/dev/hda : http://pastebin.com/m658eadf1 |
| 23:12.49 | ebilpanda | ajehals: I just did 5 minutes ago, but I cannot try now as this is the same system I'm trying to install debian on |
| 23:12.54 | ebilpanda | ajehals: FWIW, I'm using the installer from the goodbye-microsoft.com site- do you think getting a properly official installer would make a difference? |
| 23:13.10 | Strogg | I need to add a couple options to my xorg.conf to get my stylus to work.. |
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| 23:14.01 | ajehals | ebilpanda - it might, I was going to suggest jumping into a shell on the installer and seeing if we could find the drive. If you have options I would suggest grabbing an official netinstall iso to see if it makes any difference... |
| 23:14.10 | daedhel | valdyn, enouf, cdda2wav -v63 -N -d0 dev=/dev/hda : http://pastebin.com/m4579de0 |
| 23:14.24 | daedhel | ahh DRM B.S. ... |
| 23:14.54 | daedhel | I must have some un-DRMed disc, i'll check, brb |
| 23:15.26 | ebilpanda | ajehals: would it matter if I got a businesscard iso instead? it's not convenient to burn a cd right now |
| 23:15.42 | ajehals | ebilpanda - whatever you want, shouldn't make too much of a difference... |
| 23:16.25 | daedhel | enouf, valdyn, it does that with all my cds eve tne non-drm one (really old ones) |
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| 23:17.00 | ajehals | ebilpanda - if you are going to give it a go tell me now, I'll grab a spare laptop and an installation cd so I can walk through it with something in front of me... |
| 23:17.13 | Mood | my debian system's "man" pages do not allow arrow keys or stringsearch by /. is there something i need to do to invoke those features? |
| 23:17.28 | abrotman | Mood: install less |
| 23:17.43 | Mood | abrotman: less will change man's behavior? |
| 23:17.52 | Mood | i know less as more robust more |
| 23:17.57 | ebilpanda | ajehals: you needn't bother... |
| 23:18.04 | ebilpanda | ajehals: ...I'll try installing with an official testing b.card iso and come back here with the results. should take about a half hour, though if it takes longer I'll catch you whenever OK |
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| 23:18.28 | ajehals | ebilpanda - no probs. good luck. |
| 23:18.45 | ebilpanda | ajehals: see you around. |
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| 23:19.44 | daedhel | valdyn, enouf, it seems related to the hardware, here is a page describing it: http://www.nabble.com/-Bug-40684--NEW:-Cd-audio-unreadable-with-Optiarc-DVD-RW-td17134432.html |
| 23:21.28 | Mood | my man pages in xubuntu has functions of less. but my debian man does not. what does xubuntu's man have that debian's man doesn't |
| 23:22.17 | valdyn | daedhel: neat, also a patch included |
| 23:22.20 | daedhel | valdyn, enouf, another page, bug is on Ubuntu this time: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/186664 |
| 23:23.28 | valdyn | daedhel: but these reports are old so maybe there a firmware fix too |
| 23:24.41 | daedhel | ok i'll check for a firmware update first, and then if not working, will you help me applying the patch? i'm still a noob, never done taht before |
| 23:25.26 | abrotman | Mood: did you install less ? |
| 23:25.55 | Mood | abrotman: i just found out that you can change the pager/manpager to use less instead of more |
| 23:26.02 | Madkiss | excellent. updating from etch to lenny breaks my system and leaves it behind unusable. |
| 23:26.08 | abrotman | Mood: yes, if you have it installed |
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| 23:27.41 | daedhel | also, should this bug be reported? if so to who? Debian? kernel directly? |
| 23:28.03 | valdyn | daedhel: which kernel are you actually running? the lenny kernel? |
| 23:28.21 | daedhel | the testing kernel |
| 23:28.42 | daedhel | Linux laptop-debian 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:28.51 | Geek`N`Proud | daedhel: that's the stable kernel |
| 23:28.56 | Geek`N`Proud | daedhel: lenny is now stable |
| 23:29.52 | valdyn | daedhel: this patch is already in new kernels |
| 23:30.12 | valdyn | daedhel: 2.6.26 is just few months to old |
| 23:30.14 | daedhel | Geek`N`Proud, ok, but still, my aptpget source.list is configured for testing, see: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php |
| 23:30.30 | valdyn | daedhel: testing does not have a newer kernel either |
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| 23:30.38 | daedhel | ok I see |
| 23:30.44 | valdyn | daedhel: you can use the sid kernel |
| 23:30.48 | Geek`N`Proud | daedhel: maybe grab the kernel-source package from unstable and do a make-kpkg binaries for it |
| 23:30.53 | daedhel | so how do I get the 2.6.28? |
| 23:31.05 | valdyn | daedhel: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 23:31.12 | Geek`N`Proud | nab unstable's kernel-source `n` make-kpkg xD |
| 23:31.13 | daedhel | ahh man |
| 23:31.16 | Geek`N`Proud | that is the best way |
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| 23:31.30 | valdyn | rebuilding it makes no difference in this case |
| 23:31.40 | daedhel | never compiled the kernel, and to be honnest, i'm a bit scared... |
| 23:31.43 | phobos_anomaly | Geek`N`Proud: heres a link to the kpackage that was removed from sid for some reason. works fine here http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/pool/main/l/linux-kbuild-2.6/ |
| 23:32.06 | valdyn | daedhel: you do not need to build it, you can build it, you can use the plain sid package |
| 23:32.11 | enouf | valdyn: i see something for it in mainline .28, did you check debian .28? |
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| 23:32.23 | valdyn | enouf: i read ide-cd.c |
| 23:32.26 | asdzxc | hi |
| 23:32.29 | enouf | valdyn: same here |
| 23:32.39 | valdyn | enouf: 2.6.28.5 |
| 23:32.45 | daedhel | this is my production box, don't wanna screw it up... I know there is a way to get only specific packages for a specific repo... should I look into doin that to get the sid kernel? |
| 23:32.50 | enouf | right |
| 23:32.56 | asdzxc | i have got messages from kernel: HARDWARE ERROR, CPU 2: Machine Check Exception: |
| 23:33.08 | asdzxc | and also Run through mcelog --ascii to decode and contact your hardware vendor |
| 23:33.17 | Geek`N`Proud | daedhel: it's called apt-pinning and yeah that's one way |
| 23:33.18 | valdyn | daedhel: you can do that too, or just grab it from http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 23:33.25 | asdzxc | but mcelog shows nothing - maybe cos server reboots right after this error ? |
| 23:33.34 | Geek`N`Proud | just grabbing it seems easier than pinning, if it's just for one package |
| 23:33.34 | valdyn | daedhel: it does not make much difference, just get only the kernel from sid, nothing else |
| 23:34.08 | daedhel | Geek`N`Proud, valdyn, thanks guyys! :) trying this right now, brb |
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| 23:34.38 | adb | asdzxc: use paste.debian.net |
| 23:34.56 | adb | oops, sory |
| 23:35.27 | asdzxc | adb well, now i got something in /var/log/mcelog |
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| 23:36.00 | asdzxc | but i don't understand it |
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| 23:36.24 | karmatronic | hi guy |
| 23:36.26 | asdzxc | CPU 7 BANK 5 STATUS b200000040000e0f MCGSTATUS 0 |
| 23:36.28 | karmatronic | ss |
| 23:36.43 | daedhel | all I can fin is a Debian Installer version... |
| 23:37.22 | daedhel | kernel-image-2.6.26-1-486-di |
| 23:37.53 | daedhel | Geek`N`Proud, , valdyn , kernel-image-2.6.26-1-486-di : is this the one I need? that debian installer is confusing... |
| 23:38.23 | adb | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 23:39.12 | adb | linux-image-2.6.28-1-686_2.6.28-1_i386.deb |
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| 23:39.51 | ebilpanda | hello again |
| 23:39.57 | daedhel | adb, thanks man |
| 23:40.01 | adb | np |
| 23:41.39 | Jemt | Are there any good MP3 > WAV converters available for Debian ? |
| 23:41.41 | ebilpanda | ajehals: slight hiccup with the direct iso install: I can't access the iso after booting into debian installer. However I think there are other ways- I'm reading the installation guide now, and there is a method for installing from hard disk |
| 23:42.04 | enouf | adb: not fully migrated yet, eh? i also had trouble through pdo - but i know where buildserver is ;-) |
| 23:42.11 | daedhel | i wonder what is keeping th testing team to upgrade to 2.6.28 |
| 23:42.13 | ajehals | ebilpanda - usbinstall is also a nice option if your MB supports it (my preference these days...) |
| 23:42.30 | daedhel | i wonder what is keeping the testing team from upgrading to 2.6.28 |
| 23:42.36 | dazman | Hi. Are people starting to use /srv/www/virtualhost for example for web site content, or is /var/www/virtualhost still the common place? I see /srv is now the "correct" way? |
| 23:42.44 | enouf | it's not even in sid - that's what |
| 23:42.49 | adb | enouf: i'm on lenny |
| 23:43.01 | enouf | adb: and? |
| 23:43.11 | ebilpanda | ajehals: erm I don't have a usb stick handy- all I have is a usb hdd, and I think that's not supported |
| 23:43.16 | daedhel | man! why so slow? security? |
| 23:43.45 | ajehals | ebilpanda - it is, (assuming your mobo will take it) same process as using a thumb drive IIRC> |
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| 23:44.00 | Geek`N`Proud | daedhel: they are having a setback with the building service or something |
| 23:44.01 | adb | no any migration to do , at least on *that* machine :) |
| 23:44.24 | themill | daedhel: it doesn't build properly on alpha, hppa, mips and sparc. |
| 23:44.24 | daedhel | ohh I see |
| 23:44.36 | ajehals | just don't do what I did on a sun box a little while back and try to install to the installation media... |
| 23:44.36 | daedhel | it must be one of the reason why other distro left thos arch behind |
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| 23:44.52 | ebilpanda | ajehals: then that's another option to look into. the installation guide is long. thanks for your interest and help |
| 23:45.27 | daedhel | good thing at least one distro still think about those minority archs, though |
| 23:45.31 | enouf | adb: you found one particular mirror - twas what my question is about - it's not even in the main sid mirrors yet - but - i know i can also grab the .deb from buildserver |
| 23:45.47 | ajehals | ebilpanda - no probs, I'm trying to sort out a firewall atm and its nice to procrastinate a little... |
| 23:46.54 | ebilpanda | ajehals: heh. I'll stick around while I read the guide now |
| 23:47.41 | daedhel | reboot time, brb |
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| 23:48.08 | adb | enouf: heh, if you like ~snapshot ones |
| 23:48.35 | enouf | adb: what's makes the china mirror so special? |
| 23:49.11 | themill | enouf: ch == switzerland |
| 23:49.15 | adb | no is switzerland suisse |
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| 23:49.33 | adb | cn is china |
| 23:49.37 | enouf | ok .. i'm an ass - i goofed - sorry |
| 23:49.44 | themill | !confuse enouf |
| 23:49.44 | dpkg | No, who is our gouda today, enouf? shirts of the people's republic of micronesia with extra ham |
| 23:49.48 | enouf | adb: what's makes the SWITZERLAND mirror so special? |
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| 23:50.09 | adb | i live in ... ? |
| 23:50.19 | nsadmin | if "base" is going away, how would a cd creator know what to put on (say) a netinst cd? |
| 23:50.29 | enouf | smacks head on desk ... repeatedly |
| 23:50.43 | nsadmin | you live in a desk? |
| 23:51.27 | enouf | walks away from the g33ks to focus on the females ... |
| 23:51.47 | nsadmin | that's the best decision I've ever seen you make :) |
| 23:52.05 | bugjar | where is the default bind9 config file ? man page for named.conf says it is in /etc/named.conf, but there's no file there; does it live under /var/...? |
| 23:52.34 | gray-- | do a find? |
| 23:52.35 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:52.42 | bugjar | adb - thanks |
| 23:52.46 | nsadmin | bugjar: or /etc/bind? |
| 23:52.50 | dondelelcaro | bugjar: dpkg -L bind9; would help you in these cases |
| 23:52.53 | nsadmin | wow! that rhymed! |
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| 23:53.31 | nsadmin | -L will show files that did not come from the tarball? |
| 23:53.33 | themill | bugjar: you're better to edit named.conf.local rather than named.conf anyway. |
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| 23:53.58 | bugjar | dondelelcaro - neat. i recall few of the dpkg options |
| 23:54.14 | nsadmin | bugjar: dpkg --help |
| 23:54.22 | bugjar | holy cow. i already set up my nameserver. a long time ago. |
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| 23:54.43 | bugjar | breathes through mouth |
| 23:54.47 | daedhel | valdyn, enouf, it works with the new kernel for the cd, but I lost my nvidia driver, because the module isn't compatible |
| 23:55.03 | n3kl | Hi. I have a strange problem with my ipw2200 wireless. When the system boots, the system gets, failed to load firmware, which is strange anyway because I have firmware-ipw2x00 installed. So once the system is up and running, I have to remove the inserted module, and reinsert the module into the kernel and everyting is happy. Ifup the interface and all is well. |
| 23:55.21 | n3kl | Why could it be that the firmware cannot be found the first time? |
| 23:55.31 | enouf | already guessed that daedhel - too much to type though |
| 23:55.37 | *** join/#debian xnevermore (n=ncolgan@pool-71-162-223-84.phlapa.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:55.42 | xnevermore | I'm trying to route the output of espeak (a text-to-speech program) to the main mic input. Does anyone know how i can do this? espeak can direct the sound output to stdout. Can I pipe this to the mic input somehow, rather than /dev/dsp? |
| 23:56.02 | enouf | daedhel: IOW, i was waiting to hear that from you .. :-p |
| 23:56.11 | daedhel | enouf, lol |
| 23:56.38 | n3kl | xnevermore: for what reason? To record? |
| 23:56.39 | daedhel | enouf, should have thought of that. installing the sid nvidia module should be enought I guess? |
| 23:56.41 | enouf | now learn about linux-kbuild and start building so you can get headers |
| 23:57.08 | enouf | daedhel: you need more help than i can give right now - sorry |
| 23:57.08 | daedhel | enouf, gasp... wut? |
| 23:57.33 | daedhel | enouf, ok thanks a lot anyways, the inital problem is solved!! |
| 23:57.52 | xnevermore | n3kl: correct. more accurately, to route espeak's output to ekiga's mic input |
| 23:58.07 | adb | daedhel: so was a kernel issue ? |
| 23:58.15 | xnevermore | n3kl: but also for the sake of curiosity |
| 23:58.28 | enouf | adb: yes, specifically http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.28/drivers/ide/ide-cd.c#L1962 |
| 23:58.29 | daedhel | adb, its a hadware issue with my driver, but the new kernel covered it |
| 23:58.45 | adb | a sweet |
| 23:58.47 | daedhel | (drive, not driver) |
| 23:58.48 | enouf | adb: compare with earlier versions |
| 23:59.22 | n3kl | xnevermore: not sure about routing to your soundcard, but it seems that you should be able to pipe it to mplayer or lame or something to dump it to a wav or mp3 file |