| 00:00.10 | xnevermore | n3kl: yes, but that wouldn't allow for realtime capturing |
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| 00:00.46 | n3kl | xnevermore: what do you mean? |
| 00:01.12 | xnevermore | n3kl: I figure that if sound is sent to /dev/dsp to be outputted through the speakers, couldn't you send it to a different device file to be sent to the mic input |
| 00:01.14 | n3kl | xnevermore: you are taking text, piping it into some text2speach something, right, and the output is audio? |
| 00:01.25 | n3kl | xnevermore: so you want to hear it and record it? |
| 00:01.31 | n3kl | at the same time |
| 00:02.05 | enouf | daedhel: that's an macintel? |
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| 00:02.20 | xnevermore | n3kl: yes, but I want to pipe it to my VoIP program to use for phone calls, real time. I.E. type text to be outputed as speech over a phone call |
| 00:02.46 | daedhel | enouf, nope, laptop Acer Aspire 7720. nvidia 8400 |
| 00:02.52 | n3kl | xnevermore: neat project |
| 00:03.02 | enouf | daedhel: ok |
| 00:03.03 | xnevermore | which means tricking ekiga/skype into thinking that espeak's output is the microphone's input |
| 00:03.37 | n3kl | xnevermore: meh, I know there are some mplayer hackery that I've done to record files while playing them, but I don't rember how it was done |
| 00:04.12 | enouf | n3kl: heh |
| 00:04.13 | n3kl | xnevermore: btw, what are you using to convert text to speach? |
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| 00:05.08 | xnevermore | n3kl: espeak |
| 00:05.16 | enouf | n3kl: mplayer ... -dumpstream -dumpfile ... ; start another mplayer and playback the dumpfile |
| 00:05.30 | n3kl | enouf: nah, there is a better way than that iirc |
| 00:05.36 | enouf | n3kl: nope |
| 00:05.41 | n3kl | xnevermore: ask in #mplayer |
| 00:05.44 | enouf | n3kl: for mencoder, yes |
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| 00:06.14 | n3kl | enouf: I think I remember something about using a swap space of some kind |
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| 00:06.30 | enouf | *shrugs* |
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| 00:07.15 | daedhel | am i putting myself in trouble if I install the nvidia driver direct from the website? (the .run package) |
| 00:07.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:07.39 | enouf | you'll still need -headers- and yes |
| 00:08.01 | grepuser | Is there a grep option (or some other command) that will only print the pattern? For example, if I grep for "foo??bar", I want the output to be foo34bar,foo00bar etc. ??? |
| 00:08.45 | daedhel | ahh man |
| 00:08.52 | enouf | daedhel: no easy way out - not yet ;-) |
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| 00:09.04 | abrotman | grepuser: -o ? |
| 00:09.20 | daedhel | if I grab the headers, the glx driver, the module, all from sid repo, do I have a chance? |
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| 00:09.34 | enouf | daedhel: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage see the linux-kbuild info .. see what you need to do |
| 00:09.57 | enouf | daedhel: there are no headers to grab, yet .. afaict |
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| 00:10.30 | grepuser | abrotman: I think grep -o -E foo??bar only prints "foobar" |
| 00:10.33 | daedhel | ohh boy... all this for a stupid cd drive |
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| 00:10.43 | sidewalk | anyone know how to setup wpa ad-hoc under debian? where can i find a good manual? network-manager doesn't work |
| 00:10.49 | n3kl | xnevermore: check into mplayer fifo's |
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| 00:10.55 | daedhel | sidewalk, wicd |
| 00:10.59 | enouf | daedhel: the -headers- pkgs might be somewhere already - maybe hidden in a SWITZERLAND bank |
| 00:11.08 | daedhel | sidewalk, MUCH better than network-manager, less intrusive |
| 00:11.12 | abrotman | sidewalk: which version of debian ? |
| 00:11.20 | abrotman | daedhel: not all versions of debian have wicd |
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| 00:11.37 | daedhel | ohh I though it was in lenny |
| 00:11.41 | enouf | smacks adb upside the head with an alpine mountain peak |
| 00:11.51 | sidewalk | daedhel: wicd? |
| 00:11.58 | abrotman | sidewalk: which version of debian ? |
| 00:12.11 | daedhel | sidewalk, yup. what debian do you have? |
| 00:12.11 | sidewalk | abrotman: 5.0, or ubuntu |
| 00:12.15 | sidewalk | i have both |
| 00:12.18 | vanRossum | n e one has nvidia 8600m GT? |
| 00:12.19 | enouf | really goes now .. for a bit .. anyways |
| 00:12.26 | abrotman | sidewalk: if you want help with ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
| 00:12.34 | grepuser | abrotman: sorry, I should be using .. instead of ?? |
| 00:12.35 | daedhel | c ya enouf, ty again |
| 00:12.50 | daedhel | sidewalk, apt-get install wicd |
| 00:13.06 | abrotman | ajehals: why are you msging me? |
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| 00:13.20 | vanRossum | does any one have problems with nvidia 8600m GT? |
| 00:13.25 | abrotman | daedhel: NOT IN LENNY |
| 00:13.28 | abrotman | jeez |
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| 00:13.39 | daedhel | abrotman, lol |
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| 00:13.42 | abrotman | it's not funny |
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| 00:13.49 | abrotman | ajehals: sometimes we do notice |
| 00:13.51 | daedhel | sidewalk, forget what I said |
| 00:14.14 | ajehals | abrotman - I should hope so, its a pain trying to help when people make it harder. |
| 00:14.14 | daedhel | sidewalk, unless you upgrade to testing |
| 00:14.19 | abrotman | daedhel: just stop |
| 00:14.21 | themill | daedhel: if you're going to help, it's useful to be right... |
| 00:14.39 | LjL | sidewalk: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto#Using_WPA |
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| 00:15.10 | LjL | sidewalk: that's not really specific to that card, i believe, and should have a sane wpa setup inside /e/n/i |
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| 00:15.27 | abrotman | sidewalk: are you using debian or ubuntu ? |
| 00:15.38 | sidewalk | abrotman: i have both |
| 00:15.42 | magyar | hi, how can I check RAID status on perc3 (LSI) in debian? |
| 00:15.48 | abrotman | great .. which one do you need help with? |
| 00:15.48 | sidewalk | abrotman: what does it matter? |
| 00:15.51 | abrotman | yes it matters |
| 00:15.51 | daedhel | man, whatever, I have wicd and it works, he might like to know that |
| 00:16.04 | abrotman | daedhel: he's not using the version you're using .. just stop already .. you're not helping at all |
| 00:16.21 | sidewalk | abrotman: you must have misunderstood my question, i didnt ask if it matter, i asked what does it matter |
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| 00:16.43 | abrotman | sidewalk: because debian is not ubuntu |
| 00:16.49 | LjL | sidewalk: at the very least, it matters because under Ubuntu you're supposed to use network-manager. |
| 00:16.49 | daedhel | he will decide if it helped him |
| 00:16.52 | abrotman | and we do not support ubuntu here |
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| 00:16.59 | asdzxc | hi |
| 00:17.10 | sidewalk | abrotman: i know that, but thank you for pointing that out |
| 00:17.11 | themill | daedhel: please don't suggest that someone upgrades to testing (particularly at this stage of the release cycle) unless you're promising to be on call at any time they need help to get them out of the trouble that they will end up in. |
| 00:17.19 | asdzxc | is it possible to start a memory test on running system ? |
| 00:17.25 | magyar | ubuntu rocks |
| 00:17.27 | abrotman | asdzxc: with memtest ? |
| 00:17.28 | magyar | hides |
| 00:17.30 | abrotman | magyar: wrong channel |
| 00:17.34 | daedhel | themill, youre right |
| 00:17.36 | asdzxc | abrotman with anything |
| 00:17.54 | asdzxc | abrotman i need to test memory but i can't boot memtest |
| 00:18.03 | asdzxc | abrotman cos it's production server |
| 00:18.14 | daedhel | themill, but i wasn't suggestin an upgrade |
| 00:18.18 | abrotman | yes you did |
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| 00:18.36 | daedhel | <daedhel> sidewalk, unless you upgrade to testing |
| 00:18.38 | magyar | abrotman: you've got any poweredge servers under your wing? |
| 00:18.48 | abrotman | magyar: i'm smarter than that |
| 00:18.53 | magyar | hmm |
| 00:19.34 | magyar | my colo is filed with them |
| 00:19.39 | magyar | filled |
| 00:20.24 | magyar | it's a biatch to manage hardware raids on both proliant and poweredge systems |
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| 00:34.35 | infinity0 | OK, du -sh gives 12GB for a directory on my HD, but there are three separate files of around 8GB (all different) |
| 00:34.43 | infinity0 | does this mean my fs is fucked |
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| 00:36.01 | gray-- | infinity0: are they hard linked? |
| 00:36.08 | infinity0 | doesn't appear so |
| 00:36.13 | infinity0 | they all have different sizes |
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| 00:38.00 | infinity0 | oh, although du --apparent-size -sh gives 25GB which is more realistic |
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| 00:39.27 | Macer | good evening (or whenever it is where you are) |
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| 00:40.41 | infinity0 | ah sparse files, fair enough |
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| 00:41.51 | Macer | lenny isn't too bad |
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| 00:42.09 | Macer | been a long time since i've used debian |
| 00:42.11 | dureyes | love lenny... |
| 00:42.17 | memnon | ll ;) |
| 00:42.28 | Macer | don't think i used it since like... 98 |
| 00:42.37 | Macer | :) guess there have been some improvements huh? |
| 00:42.41 | abrotman | a few |
| 00:42.45 | memnon | a friend has trouble upgrading from etch, though |
| 00:42.54 | Macer | works great as a desktop |
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| 00:43.52 | Macer | just finished setting up my esxi box.. feels kind of funny using a software raid inside a vm on a hardware raid but whatever works i suppose |
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| 00:44.04 | Macer | hopefully the hw raid will cover everything if there is a disk failure.. which it should |
| 00:44.49 | memnon | and lenny is much more cute than squeeze (three eyes, c'mon :) |
| 00:45.28 | Macer | well. haven't used compiz in a long time either. and when i did it was in gentoo and it was a pain getting the glx stuff going |
| 00:45.37 | hallowname | lenny iz the leetness :D |
| 00:45.58 | Macer | with lenny i just installed and ran the pkg and it all just seemed to work heh |
| 00:46.18 | Macer | although the encrypted lvm took a long time |
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| 00:46.28 | Macer | took like 12hrs to set up a 1TB lvm on it |
| 00:47.07 | infinity0 | memnon: they probably need to run dpkg-reconfigure -all or something |
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| 00:47.38 | memnon | Macer: Yes, Had only 160 gb disc here, took very long, too |
| 00:47.53 | memnon | infinity0: Got not time for his problem right now. |
| 00:48.09 | memnon | infinity0: I will have a look later, when I have dealt with some pressing stuff |
| 00:48.18 | memnon | is no expert, though |
| 00:48.20 | Macer | memnon: i wasn't expecting 12 hours. i just wanted to do it just for the hell of it |
| 00:48.22 | infinity0 | kk |
| 00:48.43 | Macer | but once it started and i got 2 hours into it.. i just went to sleep then work and came back and it was finishing up :) |
| 00:49.00 | memnon | Macer: One big advantage on my laptop: Hibernate is safe. Even if my laptop is stolen, my data is safe. |
| 00:49.17 | Macer | yeah. that is a good reason to do it |
| 00:49.35 | Macer | either that or to keep your smut perfectly hidden i suppose |
| 00:49.46 | memnon | Macer: I still have to figure out the advantage of lvm... |
| 00:49.55 | Macer | lvm is good to add storage with |
| 00:50.22 | Macer | most people confuse it with a raid.. it's kind of more a resizable virtual disk i suppose |
| 00:50.56 | memnon | dict smut: 3. (Bot.) An infection of cereal grains producing a swelling |
| 00:50.56 | memnon | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.59 | memnon | ;) |
| 00:51.00 | Macer | i don't think there is any real advantage to it unless you are adding storage or manipulating it somehow |
| 00:51.28 | Macer | haha |
| 00:51.40 | memnon | Macer: I have everything on one partition, would it help me to resize that and add another partition later? |
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| 00:52.24 | Macer | i believe so. i believe you can add it to the lvm and resize the partition and fs |
| 00:52.29 | bugjar | hrmph. nslookup is not finding any responces from my NS - am i dependant on its resolver which is currently set to the upstream? |
| 00:52.40 | Macer | i've honestly never done it but i read up on it and that is the principle |
| 00:53.18 | Macer | something similar to what esxi does with datastores |
| 00:53.23 | bugjar | and where do i point out that named.conf (and related) are inside /etc/bind/ not at /etc/named.conf? |
| 00:53.53 | Macer | bugjar: you are setting up your own dns? |
| 00:54.07 | bugjar | Macer : yeh. had it going last year, but ot |
| 00:54.22 | Macer | heh.. yeah.. setting it up is a pain |
| 00:54.39 | Macer | once you get it right you NEVER get rid of the configs ;) |
| 00:54.52 | bugjar | Macer: but since i have changed the router, i haven't been using it |
| 00:54.56 | bugjar | Macer: :) |
| 00:55.15 | Macer | although i have mine running in fbsd |
| 00:55.19 | bugjar | Macer: bout an hour ago I thought it was on the router i'd used |
| 00:55.22 | Macer | keeps it in /var/something |
| 00:55.29 | Macer | at least most of it |
| 00:55.44 | bugjar | Macer : that's the default in BSDs - obsd is the same way |
| 00:55.46 | Macer | /var/named/.... |
| 00:56.17 | Macer | some of the stuff i do requires a local dns |
| 00:56.25 | Macer | plus it's nice to have |
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| 00:57.01 | Macer | wish i could help but i've only done it in fbsd |
| 00:57.23 | Macer | only debian box i have is a desktop that i'm on now... installed it a couple of days ago |
| 00:57.54 | tsb | Hello. I just tried upgrading from etch to lenny, and while doing apt-get upgrade I got this: http://pastebin.com/m1c7e3a39. What can I do? |
| 00:57.59 | bugjar | Macer : but i goofed while trying to find it on my debian machine (which was the name server for my local setup) in trying to set it up. i say goofed because once a few of the people pointed me straight, i realised my entire subnet was listed (including the adblock stuff i had) |
| 00:58.37 | Macer | how? |
| 00:58.46 | bugjar | osbd was my router-gateway. very nice til the overheating PS killed one of the NICs. oops. |
| 00:58.59 | Macer | haha.. that sucks |
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| 00:59.07 | bugjar | a liksys wrt54g is smaller and takes less power anyway. phooey |
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| 00:59.54 | Macer | you're running debian on a wrt? |
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| 01:00.44 | Macer | i mean i can understand that it should be perfectly possible.. but that would make for an odd dns.. and don't feel bad about the psu... i came in one day and smelled a burnt out one in my 8TB fileserver one day |
| 01:00.47 | bugjar | anyway, the trouble is that nslookup (and dig, for what it is worth) doesn't see anything from the server. |
| 01:00.55 | Macer | it was a strong moment of absolute panic :) |
| 01:01.15 | bugjar | wrt -- haha. no. the NS is my desktop (*was* now) box |
| 01:01.22 | Macer | ah |
| 01:01.39 | Macer | you have your resolv.conf pointing at the local ip i'm guessing? |
| 01:01.42 | bugjar | Macer : urg. that stinks (harhar) |
| 01:01.44 | Macer | and you're sure bind started? |
| 01:01.53 | Macer | without errors? |
| 01:02.19 | ajehals | bugjar - DNS priblems? |
| 01:02.41 | bugjar | Macer : yes, bind is running, nmap says 53 is open, i even edited /etc/init.d/named to set OPTIONS to force the named.conf file |
| 01:02.59 | Macer | and you can't nslookup any of your entries? |
| 01:03.03 | Macer | not even the domain? |
| 01:03.04 | bugjar | nothing in the /var/log/messages except syslog MARKs |
| 01:03.15 | bugjar | ajehals - yeh. |
| 01:03.15 | Macer | hm.. should say bind starting shouldn't it? |
| 01:03.44 | bugjar | let me check resolv.conf tho. it might be asking the upstream |
| 01:04.02 | bugjar | Macer: yeh, i thought it should, but i don't see any other interesting logs. |
| 01:04.10 | Macer | Mar 3 01:29:10 ns1 named[575]: starting BIND 9.4.2 -t /var/named -u bind |
| 01:04.16 | bugjar | hrm. now that you mention it, the start script should |
| 01:04.42 | tsb | dpkg -s libc6-i686 retuns nothing. Is there any way to fix this? |
| 01:04.43 | dpkg | Package: libc6-i686 retuns nothing. Is there any way to fix this: Status: install ok installed |
| 01:04.43 | Macer | like i said tho.. that's on a fbsd box.. well.. VM actually on my esxi box |
| 01:05.30 | bugjar | the start script has a "log_daemon_msg "Starting domain name service..." "bind9"" in it |
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| 01:06.20 | ajehals | bugjar - syslog - should have entries in if named is doing anything (grep it for named), I see dns updates from local clients that are configured for DHCP and the ususal strat up messages... |
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| 01:09.03 | bugjar | ugh - 'start' works OK. 'stop' gives: bind9rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
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| 01:10.03 | Macer | probably because it hasn't started correctly .. i'm willing to be it's just a config error in your master dir |
| 01:10.09 | Macer | be/bet |
| 01:10.21 | Macer | you would see a log if bind actually started |
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| 01:10.55 | blindy | Sun Mar 8 12:02:58 2009: Setting parameters of disc: /dev/hda ^[[31mfailed!^[[39;49m, my log is here: http://pastebin.com/m1064340d |
| 01:11.14 | ajehals | bugjar I'd also look at your rndc config and key, is this a single server set up? are you taking dynamic updates from clients? |
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| 01:14.22 | Macer | blindy: it continues after this error to a login? |
| 01:14.59 | bugjar | ajehals - |
| 01:15.00 | bugjar | no |
| 01:15.10 | ajavid | hi |
| 01:15.10 | bugjar | i'll take a look at that too |
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| 01:15.37 | bugjar | !hi |
| 01:15.37 | dpkg | hello, bugjar |
| 01:15.50 | Macer | blindy: the fact that it calls it a disc.. it looks like it is trying to access your disks as an optical drive |
| 01:16.18 | Macer | since the lvm loaded and it can read it and continue past .. strange tho still |
| 01:17.04 | ajehals | bugjar - Heh, you just ruined my night. I now have quite a few error log entries relating to named to work through... :) |
| 01:17.23 | bugjar | ajehals misery loves company :)( |
| 01:17.53 | bugjar | time for kids now. named can wait |
| 01:18.11 | ajehals | bugjar - could be worse, at least its still doing it's job, mostly... |
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| 01:20.11 | Macer | bugjar: just throw a mcdonalds burger in the middle of them and get back to your computer! |
| 01:20.16 | Macer | :) |
| 01:20.24 | Macer | glad i only have 1 haha |
| 01:20.47 | Macer | who is easy to deal with.. thank God i got a calm son |
| 01:21.03 | Macer | i'd lose my mind if i had one of those tantrum throwing kids in the middle of the store that i've seen |
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| 01:22.24 | gparent | hey, I'm trying to install http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libghc6-parsec-dev with GHC 6.10.1 installed, and it claims it can't be install because of the 6.8.2 dependency |
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| 01:22.34 | gparent | however the package seems to imply you can install it with either 6.8.2 or 6.10.1 |
| 01:22.35 | gparent | whats going on |
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| 01:23.10 | abrotman | gparent: which version of debian are you running ? |
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| 01:23.37 | gparent | lenny, but ghc6 is set to unstable since I'm trying to get the latest geordi running. |
| 01:24.16 | abrotman | can you install dependency first? |
| 01:24.40 | gparent | I already have ghc installed, but it wants me to use 6.8.2 even though the page seems to state this is not necessary. |
| 01:25.39 | gparent | If you look on http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libghc6-parsec-dev , you can read "ghc6 (>= 6.8.2)". |
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| 01:25.54 | gparent | however when I apt-get install libparsec-dev/testing |
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| 01:26.10 | gparent | It outputs (pastebin incoming) |
| 01:26.27 | gparent | http://codepad.org/uT3KkhOD |
| 01:27.10 | gparent | Is it because even though the library is already installed, since I'm using the command without the -t option, it's not recognizing the library that isn't from the stable repo? |
| 01:27.30 | gparent | Hell actually that might be it, hmm. |
| 01:28.30 | gparent | Nope. |
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| 01:34.01 | blindy | Macer, yes it continues |
| 01:35.22 | blindy | sda, sdb, sdc are used with mdadm/lvm for raid 5, hda is the OS hdd. All work fine even with the errors |
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| 01:41.31 | smacnay | Seems like the "testing" updates are starting to resolve themselves. |
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| 01:44.33 | hallowname | best gui to toggle runlevel daemons? (services) |
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| 01:45.43 | gparent | So, anybody has any idea why I can't install http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libghc6-parsec-dev even if I have the required dependencies (A version of ghc above 6.8.2) |
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| 01:46.00 | k6b | hi, I use debian testing but I need to use package in unstable, what would be the best way to achieve this? |
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| 01:47.23 | ironmagma | Hi there, I have a question regarding which packages to install for a project |
| 01:47.54 | ironmagma | sorry, guess I should have said the question: |
| 01:48.14 | ironmagma | What packages do I need to install in order to use the pdflatex" |
| 01:48.38 | ironmagma | "pdflatex"* command to interpret .tex files and output them as pdfs ? |
| 01:49.46 | nsadmin | step one, figure out what software your project requires (and yes, this is BEFORE you choose the os) |
| 01:50.30 | nsadmin | step two, choose the os that will most effectively run the software required for your project |
| 01:50.39 | Daemon_Byte | ok I have just installed debian 5 and I have 2 main questions. 1, does anyone know how I can configure grub 2 to put windows as the default choice? two, the pc is hooked up to a tv via s-video. This works fine on console and in windows but as soon as kdm starts I get no svideo signal. Anyone any ideas how I can fix that? |
| 01:51.34 | ironmagma | well I actually don't have a choice for the OS... but I know it requires "an installation of TeX as well as the LaTeX macro package" |
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| 01:52.26 | nsadmin | try http://packages.debian.org |
| 01:52.33 | nsadmin | to find the tex stuff |
| 01:52.49 | nsadmin | and you want to browse not search |
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| 01:54.35 | ironmagma | yes, I searched there, though I believe I managed to install the wrong thing. according to my guidelines, typing "latex" at the command prompt gives me something other than what I should have, and I believe I might have some sort of standalone version of "pdflatex" rather than both latex and tex. |
| 01:54.39 | k6b | How can I get an experimental package while in unstable ? |
| 01:55.09 | nsadmin | it's a good bet that pdflatex uses latex |
| 01:55.18 | blindy | What do i need to install to get libtoolize? |
| 01:55.26 | abrotman | !search |
| 01:55.27 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
| 01:56.01 | ironmagma | right, but when I punch in "latex" at the command prompt I get "This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6)" rather than "This is TeX, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.3.1)" as I should |
| 01:56.07 | nsadmin | k6b, since you don't already know that, I'm hoping your data is securely backed up |
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| 01:57.28 | hallowname | k6b: 'apt pinning' involves modulation of /etc/apt/preferences and using the -t apt switch... read before you type :) |
| 01:57.45 | DebianTUX | hello all. do some one knows the actual state of debian arm? |
| 01:57.47 | nsadmin | k6b, packages in experimental are not guaranteed to work |
| 01:57.55 | k6b | hallowname, thans a lot |
| 01:58.36 | nsadmin | k6b you're better off building them from source (somethign else you should know how to do) |
| 01:59.07 | Daemon_Byte | Anyone any idea why svideo will work for console but not kde? |
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| 01:59.40 | k6b | nsadmin, building from source wont update this package |
| 01:59.51 | k6b | when new versions come |
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| 02:03.53 | ironmagma | @nsadmin when I do try to run the pdflatex command, it gives me a fatal error, so clearly I have something wrong. |
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| 02:04.44 | hallowname | k6b: np :) |
| 02:05.21 | jjoseph | Daemon_Byte, My guess. It has to do with how your xserver is configured. |
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| 02:06.36 | streuner | hm, who wrote release notes for lenny? |
| 02:06.45 | Daemon_Byte | jjoseph: Where would be a good place to start poking around? |
| 02:08.11 | jjoseph | Daemon_Byte, /etc/X11/xorg.conf Back up what you have there now and then edit away. Google for your card and s-video output. |
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| 02:08.44 | jjoseph | Daemon_Byte, I've never done it myself, but that's where I would start. |
| 02:08.56 | Daemon_Byte | jjoseph: thanks. Also while I'm here how do I get grub2 to default boot windows? I tried renaming 30_otheros to 10_otheros but it did nothing |
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| 02:09.30 | batcoder-7 | I think i have the wrong setttings in my graphics card |
| 02:09.35 | unow | What would the leanest/fastest distro with apt be? Knoppix maybe? |
| 02:09.52 | batcoder-7 | firefox scrolling is really slow on some pages |
| 02:10.19 | batcoder-7 | but if i put in a fedora live cd it does work just fine |
| 02:10.33 | batcoder-7 | this is a graphics problem huh? |
| 02:13.24 | jjoseph | Daemon_Byte, Seem you can open /boot/grub/menu.lst file and add default <number>, where number would be the number of your windows stanza. Start counting from zero. |
| 02:13.25 | abrotman | streuner: probably credits in there somewhere |
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| 02:14.12 | Daemon_Byte | jjoseph: that works for grub but I foolishly installed grub2. All google keeps giving me is how to add windows to the list not how to make it default |
| 02:14.29 | streuner | abrotman: well, i didnt find them |
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| 02:16.12 | abrotman | whoops .. |
| 02:16.15 | abrotman | streuner: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/apb.en.html |
| 02:17.25 | ajehals | Hi, I have a strange problem with bind + dhcp and a client, all running debian stable... The client, one of many with the same dhclient config, seems to be releasing and getting a new lease every 5-20 minutes... I can find no reason as to why it would... the dns server is getting updates as it should, the lease time is 24 hours, so I' stumped. any ideas? |
| 02:17.27 | streuner | abrotman: ah, thanks |
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| 02:18.18 | ajehals | I should add that I'm not seeing any issues with the switch the client is on and the cabling and nic are fine (and have been swapped..) |
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| 02:19.16 | jjoseph | Daemon_Byte, Hmm, seems you may have a problem working with grub2. Can you run grub instead? Last time I booted windows it was with lilo,many moons ago, so I'm just guessing here. |
| 02:20.13 | Daemon_Byte | jjoseph: I'm not particularly advanced with linux so unless I can apt-get grub and remove grub2 the same way most likely not |
| 02:21.40 | abrotman | Daemon_Byte: /etc/default/grub2 i think .. do you really want me to look ? |
| 02:22.06 | abrotman | nope .. /etc/default/grub .. it has the default option there |
| 02:22.30 | Daemon_Byte | abrotman: I was looking in /etc/grub.d I shall try there |
| 02:23.51 | jjoseph | Daemon_Byte, If I were you, I would have a bootable cd or thumb drive around to fix things if you somehow make things unbootable. After that I don't see why you couldn't just apt-get install grub. |
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| 02:27.21 | jjoseph | I've been playing around with compiz today. Wow. I love it, Though the wobbly windows and moving the cube around with the mouse has made my slightly nauseous... |
| 02:28.41 | Sisk | Eyecandy....Ick. |
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| 02:29.20 | Daemon_Byte | abrotman: yeh that worked. at least it makes windows default. Now I have to work out why it won't boot :D I might just go back to grub |
| 02:29.36 | abrotman | did you try installing os-prober? |
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| 02:30.53 | jjoseph | Sisk, At first I did it for the eyecandy, but it does some usefull things as well. I like the zoom, works great to make tiny flash based videos full screen. Scaling open windows to find what your looking for quickly is great. |
| 02:30.55 | Daemon_Byte | abrotman: no. It's in the list so I assumed it would work. I'll have a play and see what I can work out |
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| 02:41.04 | Daemon_Byte | I put grub legacy back on and it was just a partition problem with the config. all sorted :) thanks for your help. now to figure out why my xorg config is completely barren and full of "configure"s |
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| 02:44.35 | jjoseph | Daemon_Byte, Cool. Not sure what the debian way of reconfiguring xorg.conf is. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe. Get yourself a working X and go from there. |
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| 02:45.00 | SnoFox | Are the kernel headers located in /usr/include/linux |
| 02:45.02 | SnoFox | ? |
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| 02:45.30 | nbrandoni | Hello |
| 02:45.32 | SnoFox | I can't check at the moment -- I don't have access doe a Debian machine. |
| 02:45.44 | SnoFox | Access to a* (Can't type today.) |
| 02:46.16 | blindy | what does this mean?? |
| 02:46.23 | Daemon_Byte | jjoseph: thanks, I shall try that in the morning. it's nearly 3am now. enough linux for one day :d |
| 02:46.25 | Daemon_Byte | :D |
| 02:46.35 | blindy | what does this mean? /tmp/ccvtjE6f.s:140910: Fatal error: can't write command_network.o: No space left on device |
| 02:46.38 | abrotman | SnoFox: packages.debian.org can show you a list of files in a package |
| 02:46.46 | abrotman | blindy: out of space? out of inodes? |
| 02:47.11 | SnoFox | abrotman: I'm sitting in TTY2 at the moment... |
| 02:47.31 | abrotman | SnoFox: did you install the package already ? |
| 02:47.38 | blindy | http://pastebin.com/m47f820e2 |
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| 02:47.51 | abrotman | blindy: df -h and df -i |
| 02:48.08 | SnoFox | As I said before, I don't have access to a Debian machine. This isn't a Debian computer. |
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| 02:48.48 | blindy | abrotman http://pastebin.com/m5a22c0b6 |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | df -i ? |
| 02:49.39 | blindy | http://pastebin.com/m1c8abd96 |
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| 02:50.17 | abrotman | your / is full |
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| 02:53.33 | nbrandoni | anybody know a page/document about the development of the debian installer, and the netinstall cd, i'm interested in the gtk gui... (sorry if me english is bad...) |
| 02:54.09 | adb | #debian-boot |
| 02:54.48 | streuner | (OFTC) |
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| 02:54.51 | adb | on oftc. |
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| 02:55.24 | nbrandoni | i'm inside but is empty |
| 02:55.40 | streuner | irc.debian.org #debian-boot |
| 02:55.56 | nbrandoni | oh! |
| 02:56.09 | nbrandoni | i'm in this server channel |
| 02:56.26 | nbrandoni | thanks very much, and again i'm sorry if my english is bad! thanks! |
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| 02:56.54 | adb | never say sorry! |
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| 02:59.17 | s3a | why doesnt pyfragtools defrag in lenny? it did on early versions of ubuntu (it works in debian but doesn't do the job) and the .deb is made for both ubuntu and debian and is there any defragger for linux in repositories or outisde (with a free as in freedom license), my hard drive is 5% fragmented which is alot in the linux world, ive only managed up to 0.9% without torrents |
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| 03:01.38 | ShadowJK | protip: enanble preallocation in your bittorrent client |
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| 03:05.49 | adb | lenny'zed a socket 5 CPU @120 MHz |
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| 03:07.27 | CoolCold | :))) |
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| 03:18.27 | Mood | is there a way to specify the file size threshold for apt-get? |
| 03:18.45 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 03:19.42 | Mood | for example, if a download+install will exceed X MB, i want to control the "install Y/N?" option |
| 03:19.53 | Mood | i want to be able to specify X |
| 03:20.08 | Mood | man page of apt-get doesn't have anything |
| 03:20.46 | Mood | but i did notice using apt-get that installs that are like < 1 MB are automatically installed.... is there a way of specifying the threshold for size? |
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| 03:27.36 | giovani | I don't think that that's the case |
| 03:28.57 | Mood | yes, for smaller download+installs, apt-get just does it automatically. but if it's a larger size, it asks for Y/N confirmation. |
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| 03:30.58 | giovani | it asks for y/n confirmation when it's going to install packages that you didn't explicitly ask it for due to dependency resolution |
| 03:31.07 | blindy | how do i solve this? http://pastebin.com/m56477f56 |
| 03:31.26 | giovani | blindy: that's not a debian question |
| 03:31.33 | giovani | ask rtorrent folks |
| 03:31.46 | blindy | its related to compiling |
| 03:31.49 | blindy | on debian |
| 03:32.09 | giovani | oh |
| 03:32.11 | giovani | your filesystem is full |
| 03:32.14 | giovani | what do you expect? |
| 03:32.35 | blindy | why is it full, its an 80gb hdd |
| 03:32.45 | giovani | /dev/hda1 259M 258M 0 100% / |
| 03:32.55 | giovani | no, your root partitiion is only 250MB |
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| 03:32.59 | giovani | and that's where you're compiling |
| 03:33.06 | giovani | /dev/hda9 63G 197M 60G 1% /home |
| 03:33.10 | giovani | compile in /home if you want |
| 03:33.13 | blindy | ok |
| 03:33.17 | giovani | that's where all of your free space is |
| 03:33.30 | giovani | 250MB was insanely small to make your root partition |
| 03:33.33 | giovani | you're going to regret that |
| 03:33.49 | blindy | just went with default options |
| 03:34.21 | giovani | you should not be compiling as root either |
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| 03:37.11 | giovani | and no, that's not the default partitioning |
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| 03:40.26 | amphi | blindy: why are you compiling rtorrent? |
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| 03:41.45 | giovani | amphi: possibly because he wants the newest version? |
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| 03:43.22 | sherl0ck | hi, are debian packages signed or something some apt knows they are from a legitmate source? |
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| 03:47.06 | giovani | sherl0ck: yes |
| 03:47.06 | abrotman | !apt-key |
| 03:47.12 | abrotman | !secure apt |
| 03:47.12 | dpkg | secure apt is, like, http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 03:47.29 | giovani | that's what "Release.gpg" is for in the repository |
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| 03:47.49 | hark | !apt-secure |
| 03:47.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt secure is See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html ; apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <no public key> |
| 03:47.52 | simonrvn | apt-key FOO |
| 03:48.03 | matadon | If I wanted to set some values in /proc or /sys at boot time, where would that go on a Debian box? |
| 03:48.09 | matadon | (Running Lenny) |
| 03:48.20 | sherl0ck | ah cool, so if its not signed, thats when apt will ask you to verify with a 'yes' or 'no'? |
| 03:48.21 | matadon | I've totally forgotten where this lives. |
| 03:48.26 | amphi | /etc/sysctl.conf & /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 03:48.30 | matadon | That was it. |
| 03:48.31 | matadon | Thanks. |
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| 03:48.39 | amphi | for the latter you need to install sysfsutils |
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| 03:49.17 | zhanxuw | hey, my debian lenny often crash,how can i find the reason |
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| 03:49.19 | zhanxuw | where can i find the logs |
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| 03:49.59 | matadon | zhanxuw: /var/log |
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| 03:50.33 | matadon | Ok, next question: Is there any reason to not use one of the provided scaling governors, and instead run cpufreqd or powernowd? |
| 03:51.37 | giovani | sherl0ck: depends on what kind of yes/no you're talking about -- paste an example |
| 03:51.53 | amphi | matadon: I don't think so, at least on intel |
| 03:52.06 | matadon | amphi: That's what I thought. |
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| 03:52.22 | amphi | matadon: intel recommends ondemand for optimal battery use as well as on a/c |
| 03:52.46 | matadon | amphi: Why not conservative? |
| 03:52.53 | matadon | Same as ondemand, but with more gradual ramping? |
| 03:53.44 | amphi | matadon: because it both takes longer to ramp up when required, so it takes longer to do whatever, and is also slower to go back to sleep |
| 03:53.56 | amphi | at least, that's my understanding |
| 03:54.02 | matadon | Fair enough. |
| 03:54.12 | amphi | the site that hosts powertop has some info on this if I recall correctly |
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| 03:56.24 | matadon | amphi: Thanks; I'll check that out. |
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| 03:57.01 | matadon | has never taken the time to do any power optimization on his servers, so this will be interesting. |
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| 04:04.56 | s3a | is there a planned release date for the second revision of Lenny? |
| 04:06.17 | adb | second ? |
| 04:06.41 | s3a | matadon, are you asking about cpufrequtils in gnome-applets? |
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| 04:07.23 | matadon | s3a: No; I was curious as to whether or not running any of the daemons made sense, versus just setting the governors in /sys |
| 04:07.30 | s3a | adb, like etch has 7 revisions |
| 04:07.45 | matadon | They just released Lenny; give it time. |
| 04:07.49 | adb | ah ... |
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| 04:09.04 | s3a | matadon, well there is a bug that renders cpufrequtils completely unusable, not to mention firestarter constantly crashes (in ubuntu or one of the unstable branches of debian probably, it works) and probably something else I can't think of now |
| 04:09.34 | s3a | matadon, o ya compiz is pure garbage in lenny in my experience |
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| 04:10.09 | s3a | matadon, but other than that it seems rely stable |
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| 04:14.24 | matadon | s3a: I actually use Debian only for servers; my desktops are all Macs. |
| 04:14.33 | matadon | Might set up an Ubuntu netbook, though. |
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| 04:15.21 | s3a | matadon, why ubuntu? isn't debian testing better? |
| 04:15.59 | matadon | s3a: They have a netbook variant that's apparently really good for small machines. |
| 04:16.14 | Mood | s3a: ubuntu's not too bad... it's a good alternative to minimal debian installs, esp xubuntu |
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| 04:16.42 | s3a | the netbook made version is probably just LXDE GUI or something like that |
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| 04:18.00 | matadon | Question -- anyone reocommend a free DDNS hosting service? |
| 04:18.35 | Mood | matadon: dyndns? |
| 04:18.59 | matadon | Ah, just found the 'free' link -- thought it was a pay service. |
| 04:19.21 | matadon | has never needed to use DDNS before -- this weekend is full of new experiences. :) |
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| 04:25.40 | berat | i am using debian |
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| 04:25.47 | berat | i am searching for apache2.conf |
| 04:25.53 | berat | someone gives me pls |
| 04:26.32 | amphi | this laptop has been running lenny all its life |
| 04:26.48 | amphi | until reecently, that is |
| 04:26.50 | nsadmin | that and its bios |
| 04:27.09 | amphi | aye |
| 04:27.10 | Mood | berat: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 04:28.01 | Mood | what file DE/browser do you use amphi and nsadmin? |
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| 04:28.32 | gparent | Alright, here we go again: |
| 04:28.39 | gparent | I'm currently trying to install this package: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libghc6-parsec-dev |
| 04:28.57 | gparent | On the page, it seems to state it can handle any version of ghc6 below or above, or equal to 6.8.2 |
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| 04:29.22 | gparent | However, when trying to install it, it claims it can't meet the ghc6 dependency |
| 04:29.24 | berat | no |
| 04:29.32 | berat | i need apache2.conf file as content |
| 04:29.34 | gparent | "libghc6-parsec-dev: Depends: ghc6 (< 6.8.2+) but 6.10.1+dfsg1-13 is to be installed" |
| 04:29.36 | peterius | does anyone know where to get changelogs for specific files in the kernel? |
| 04:29.54 | peterius | there's a lot of sites with diffs but... |
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| 04:30.57 | khaije1 | my lenny install hangs at the kernel alive screen, what does that tell me and how do i fix it? |
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| 04:32.31 | peterius | how stable is sid? |
| 04:32.31 | hark | gparent: /msg dpkg bat |
| 04:33.16 | hark | peterius: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 04:33.48 | s3a | are non security risk bugs (such as compiz) taken seriously in Lenny even now after it's been released as "Stable?" |
| 04:33.51 | bugjar | where is the default rndc.conf file? rndc manpage says /etc/rndc.conf -- nothin there. |
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| 04:34.02 | hark | berat: as content? |
| 04:34.14 | peterius | hark: well specifically, I've been using lenny for a while and I have some nasty bugs and I was thinking maybe they were fixed in sid |
| 04:34.50 | peterius | like I have an xorg fatal IO bug when I run glxgears, and then networkmanager is kind of flakey... but I'm not sure if that's worth getting the new testing |
| 04:34.58 | berat | anyway |
| 04:35.14 | berat | how can i clean up from files when deleted a package |
| 04:35.20 | berat | i am using aptitude purge |
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| 04:35.31 | berat | but configuration file is still there |
| 04:35.36 | jamon | bugjar: you can use rndc without, or create that file, or use -c to point to a custom one |
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| 04:36.33 | peterius | oh, hark, I didn't realize that sid was always unstable... what's the new testing called? |
| 04:36.43 | amphi | squeeze |
| 04:37.00 | hark | peterius: not much difference with X until X from experimental comes in |
| 04:37.03 | peterius | ah, thanks, I just found it |
| 04:37.04 | gparent | hark: http://paste.debian.net/30023/ http://paste.debian.net/30024/ http://paste.debian.net/30025/ |
| 04:37.20 | bugjar | jamon : thanks |
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| 04:37.33 | gparent | And my attempt at pinning the right things: http://paste.debian.net/30026/ |
| 04:37.36 | peterius | is there any place where a changelog is listed for xorg? |
| 04:37.39 | gparent | Although removing both pins changes nothing. |
| 04:37.50 | gparent | It won't install the testing version (or the stable version, which would do too) |
| 04:37.53 | gparent | No matter what I try. |
| 04:38.14 | amphi | peterius: /usr/share/doc ? |
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| 04:40.19 | peterius | thanks amphi, didn't know about that |
| 04:40.55 | peterius | but what about versions I don't have? like a website that lists them? |
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| 04:41.55 | gparent | hark: Any idea? |
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| 04:43.20 | Sisk | Anyone know a good program to add bookmarks to an existing PDF file? |
| 04:43.39 | hark | gparent: if you remove the pinning for libghc6-parsec-dev? |
| 04:43.44 | gparent | Same output. |
| 04:44.17 | gparent | I need the squeeze version specifically, testing won't do. If I grab it from testing, it all checks out, and it recognizes that my version of ghc is above 6.8.2 |
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| 04:44.26 | gparent | unstable won't do* |
| 04:44.30 | hark | you'll need sid's version of libghc6-mtl-dev as well then |
| 04:44.36 | gparent | Yeah, that's find. |
| 04:44.46 | gparent | I can have sid anything -EXCEPT- parsec. |
| 04:45.21 | peterius | okay, if 5.0 is out, why does synaptic package manager list a bunch of etch stuff in options/preferences dialogs? |
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| 04:45.48 | hark | well, squeeze is testing |
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| 04:45.57 | gparent | Yeah, I messed up. |
| 04:46.21 | gparent | I meant if I grab parsec from sid, it works fine and recognizes ghc6.10 |
| 04:46.34 | rpater | You guys get to ban happy |
| 04:46.36 | gparent | but if I try to grab it from testing, it says it won't install because it would need to grab ghc6.10 |
| 04:46.41 | gparent | at least thats what I read from the message |
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| 04:46.55 | gparent | "libghc6-parsec-dev: Depends: ghc6 (< 6.8.2+) but 6.10.1+dfsg1-13 is to be installed" |
| 04:46.59 | gparent | Which is funny because it is installed. |
| 04:47.06 | hark | gparent: yeah, it depends on the specific version of ghc6 |
| 04:47.27 | gparent | But how come the page states <<6.8.2 or >= 6.8.2 |
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| 04:48.12 | hark | gparent: see aptitude show libghc6-parsec-dev |grep Depends |
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| 04:49.40 | gparent | I'm still confused, what does "Depends: ghc6 (>= 6.8.2), ghc6 (< 6.8.2+)" even mean |
| 04:49.54 | gparent | as a programmer to be it means any version above or equal to 6.8.2, or any version below 6.8.2 |
| 04:49.56 | gparent | to me* |
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| 04:50.29 | gparent | I'll live with it if it means == 6.8.2 but I'm just confused at this point. |
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| 04:53.38 | bugjar | where does `rndc-confgen -a` put its key file and conf file? default location for rndc specified is for /etc/rndc.conf (etc) but rndc is complaining when i try to start it |
| 04:53.54 | bugjar | oh, and there isn't an /etc/rndc.conf file |
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| 05:00.29 | Zero-Cool | yo |
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| 05:00.49 | matadon | bugjar: Should be in /etc/bind |
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| 05:00.56 | matadon | bugjar: (Since it's part of DNS) |
| 05:01.16 | bugjar | argh! |
| 05:01.27 | bugjar | matadon - thanks. wish the docs were right. |
| 05:01.30 | matadon | gparent: That's the oddest way of specifying a version that I've ever seen. |
| 05:02.11 | matadon | bugjar: Be happy you aren't dealing with a Coyote Point load balancer. The docs, the website, and even their support engineers lie worse than a used car salesman. :) |
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| 05:02.17 | gparent | matadon: It was a test, but I took it off. |
| 05:02.24 | gparent | If you mean the pinning |
| 05:02.29 | matadon | gparent: |
| 05:02.35 | matadon | gparent: Yeah. |
| 05:03.17 | dondelelcaro | gparent: it means any version greater than or equal to 6.8.2, but less than 6.8.2+ |
| 05:03.36 | gparent | So 6.8.2 and revisions? |
| 05:03.40 | gparent | What does + mean |
| 05:03.55 | Zero-Cool | guys |
| 05:04.01 | Zero-Cool | can someone tell me the 3 most common passwords |
| 05:04.08 | Zero-Cool | got something i need to do tonight |
| 05:04.10 | gparent | nothing is probably one. |
| 05:04.21 | dondelelcaro | gparent: it's just a part of a revision string |
| 05:04.28 | gparent | Okay. |
| 05:04.39 | gparent | Alright, I guess I'm stuck. Oh well. |
| 05:04.50 | dondelelcaro | gparent: so 6.8.2-1 would satisfy it, but 6.8.3 wouldn't, nor would 6.8.2+1 |
| 05:05.12 | gparent | Okay, makes sense now. |
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| 05:05.25 | dondelelcaro | gparent: as far as your problem, you seem to be mixing stable and unstable sources, which is generally a bad idea |
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| 05:05.41 | Zero-Cool | let's hack the gibson |
| 05:05.42 | Zero-Cool | who's up for it |
| 05:05.46 | Zero-Cool | we must get past the plague |
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| 05:05.56 | gparent | dondelelcaro: There's no way to get around it. |
| 05:06.00 | fishhead | hack my "canuck" |
| 05:06.08 | gparent | dondelelcaro: It's hard to understand unless you've tried compiling geordi yourself. |
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| 05:06.23 | dondelelcaro | gparent: if you need th eversion from unstable, then you'll want to backport it |
| 05:06.29 | dondelelcaro | gparent: the version in testing is the same as the version in stable |
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| 05:06.52 | gparent | So I need to make my own parsec that works with ghc 6.10 while being under version 3, basically? |
| 05:07.07 | gparent | Then I guess theres a way to tell apt-get that my own package is a replacement for the canon one |
| 05:07.14 | dondelelcaro | gparent: lets back up here... what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 05:07.41 | gparent | Compile this: http://www.xs4all.nl/~weegen/eelis/geordi/ |
| 05:07.43 | gparent | From source |
| 05:08.01 | gparent | The installation readme is in the download, if you wish to see in detail what it involves. |
| 05:08.09 | gparent | GHC ? 6.10.1 |
| 05:08.10 | dondelelcaro | gparent: and is there any reason why the version in stable won't work for you? |
| 05:08.11 | gparent | Oops. |
| 05:08.17 | gparent | Yes, it's buggy as hell. |
| 05:08.45 | dondelelcaro | gparent: then it'd be helpful if you at least filed some of the bugs against it in Debian's bts. |
| 05:08.52 | dondelelcaro | gparent: is the version in unstable any better? |
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| 05:09.04 | gparent | I installed it but it didn't seem to change anything. |
| 05:09.14 | dondelelcaro | gparent: you installed which version? |
| 05:09.31 | gparent | Basically, it seems like the maintainer is compiling with the canon haskell ghc packages, which apparently has a tentency to cause issues that aren't present in the debian packages |
| 05:09.45 | gparent | dondelelcaro, I tried both stable and unstable (testing == stable for geordi) |
| 05:09.55 | dondelelcaro | gparent: no, testing==unstable |
| 05:10.03 | gparent | stable with ghc 6.8.2, unstable with ghc 6.10.1 |
| 05:10.06 | gparent | err |
| 05:10.07 | gparent | yes |
| 05:10.09 | gparent | wait |
| 05:10.13 | gparent | No, sorry, I mean |
| 05:10.16 | gparent | In the debian repo |
| 05:10.24 | gparent | the version in testing is the same as the version in stable |
| 05:10.34 | gparent | Or seems to be |
| 05:10.36 | dondelelcaro | no, it's not |
| 05:10.48 | dondelelcaro | both testing and unstable have 0:20080916T2006-2 |
| 05:11.00 | gparent | Argh, you're right. |
| 05:11.16 | dondelelcaro | why it has a explicit epoch is beyond me, but whatever, that's what it's got. |
| 05:11.21 | gparent | :) |
| 05:11.37 | gparent | It's the version tagging the author uses. |
| 05:11.49 | gparent | http://www.xs4all.nl/~weegen/eelis/geordi/snapshots/ |
| 05:12.19 | dondelelcaro | that's not what I'm talking about, actually |
| 05:12.25 | dondelelcaro | it's the leading 0: |
| 05:12.39 | gparent | Oh, sorry. |
| 05:12.48 | gparent | I can't say I know anything about what that means. |
| 05:13.14 | dondelelcaro | in any event, what you need to do is get the new upstream orig.tar.gz, then run uscan to update it, then compile it against unstable, and hope that things haven't diverged too much so that it can still be installed on stable |
| 05:13.28 | dondelelcaro | if it has diverged too much, you'll need to also backport ghc6 6.10.1 |
| 05:13.36 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever version is currently in unstable) |
| 05:14.06 | gparent | Ok you totally lost me there. You mean for parsec? |
| 05:14.49 | dondelelcaro | no, I mean for geordi |
| 05:15.04 | gparent | Because the latest geordi requires ghc6 6.10.1, and parsec < 3, which is the current issue. |
| 05:15.15 | gparent | Because the parsec < 3 versions in the repos need ghc6 6.8.2 |
| 05:15.27 | dondelelcaro | then you'll also have to package an updated parsec |
| 05:15.29 | gparent | Wouldn't building a custom parsec package be the required step to fix that? |
| 05:15.34 | gparent | Okay, yeah. |
| 05:15.48 | dondelelcaro | and you should do the same thing; get the new upstream, and use uuscan to update it |
| 05:15.48 | gparent | I guess I'll have to read up on that. |
| 05:16.53 | dondelelcaro | wait, haskel-parsec is at 3.0.0-4 in unstable |
| 05:17.00 | dondelelcaro | so you don't need to update it |
| 05:17.31 | gparent | I can't use 3.0.0 |
| 05:17.35 | gparent | I need a version below that |
| 05:17.36 | dondelelcaro | gparent: why? |
| 05:17.37 | gparent | Geordi requirement. |
| 05:17.51 | gparent | It doesn't state it on the page, but it's a building step. |
| 05:17.56 | gparent | A compiled version doesn't require it. |
| 05:18.50 | gparent | Prerequisites: Parsec < 3 (Yes, that's a "less than".) |
| 05:18.55 | gparent | (From the readme :P) |
| 05:19.14 | cygnus | parsec the haskell thing? |
| 05:19.19 | gparent | Yeah. |
| 05:19.20 | dondelelcaro | cygnus: yes |
| 05:19.24 | gparent | I'll really have to make my own package for it. |
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| 05:19.42 | gparent | Or ask eelis to make geordi work with it, but changes are he wouldn't purposely break compat. |
| 05:19.44 | dondelelcaro | then just install the 2.1 parsec version |
| 05:19.57 | gparent | The 2.1 version requires ghc 6.8.2... |
| 05:19.58 | dondelelcaro | though frankly, it should be able to work with both versions |
| 05:20.10 | gparent | Well, the package does. |
| 05:20.17 | gparent | If I make my own one it probably wouldn't. |
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| 05:20.39 | gparent | If the parsec package is simple enough it's probably not hard to do |
| 05:20.55 | gparent | I can install parsec manually, I just need apt-get to know it's installed. |
| 05:21.00 | dondelelcaro | they are pretty simple, but since it's the same soname, I can't imagine that they broke API compatbility that hard |
| 05:22.05 | gparent | I'll go towards that step and see what happens. |
| 05:22.11 | gparent | *Googles on making packages* |
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| 05:24.21 | dondelelcaro | I mean, ghc and parsec are pretty intertwined; seems silly to use ghc 6.10.1 and not use hte parsec that comes with it |
| 05:25.16 | gparent | I'm sure it works, though, because the official geordi is setup that way. |
| 05:25.17 | w33d5 | which would be a faster copy drive to drive (identical models) copying from (hd 0,0 to> hd 1,0 OR to> hd 1,0) i.e. does copying on the same IDE channel slow things down |
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| 05:25.42 | w33d5 | ...no RAID |
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| 05:26.28 | dondelelcaro | w33d5: it's not entirely clear what you're asking, but regardless, it's hardware dependent |
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| 05:27.17 | gparent | also dondelelcaro thanks for being active and all the help, I've been trying to figure out the dependency problem for a while. |
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| 05:27.22 | gparent | <3 |
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| 05:27.23 | |newbie| | Hi, |
| 05:27.37 | w33d5 | identical hard drive --- would copying from IDE1 to IDE2 be faster than to another partition on IDE1? |
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| 05:27.52 | w33d5 | 2identical hard drives --- would copying from IDE1 to IDE2 be faster than to another partition on IDE1? |
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| 05:28.17 | w33d5 | *sorry* another drive on IDE1 |
| 05:28.27 | dondelelcaro | w33d5: it's going to be faster to copy to a different drive, everything being equal |
| 05:28.47 | dondelelcaro | that said, I can easily envision cases where that wouldn't be true |
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| 05:29.09 | w33d5 | master 1 to slave 1 OR master 1 to master 2 |
| 05:29.14 | bugjar | matadon: i'll keep Coyote in mind the next time i want to annoy someone :) |
| 05:29.17 | w33d5 | will be the same? |
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| 05:29.28 | dondelelcaro | w33d5: depends on the hardware. What does it matter, though? |
| 05:29.39 | w33d5 | prepping for some backups |
| 05:29.44 | kbateman | w33d5: just experiment and try it out. |
| 05:29.45 | w33d5 | like 300gb worth |
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| 05:29.51 | dondelelcaro | 300G isn't all that much data |
| 05:29.56 | w33d5 | so any increase would be beneficial |
| 05:30.00 | kbateman | a few minutes per trial |
| 05:30.03 | |newbie| | I am trying to configure my ATI Radeon 4830, unfortunately needed proprietary drivers...which I installed and xhecked xorg.conf and it read "fglrx" for driver. uinfortunately I could not boot into that and had to switch it back to "vesa", but now I am not sure if the driver is active for the vid card. Is there a way to check that it is configured other than xorg.conf? |
| 05:30.05 | w33d5 | *thanks* |
| 05:30.06 | dondelelcaro | you'll spend more time worying about it than the backups will actually take |
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| 05:30.31 | w33d5 | true - just curious for future references |
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| 05:31.36 | dondelelcaro | in general, it should be faster to copy from a master to a master, when there are no slaves on either bus |
| 05:31.46 | dondelelcaro | but it's not necessarily the case in all situtations |
| 05:32.03 | gparent | dondelelcaro, I'm sorry but google failed: Where are .deb packages stored after being downloaded? |
| 05:32.10 | gparent | (by apt-get for instance) |
| 05:32.13 | dondelelcaro | gparent: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:32.16 | gparent | Thank you. |
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| 05:34.29 | |newbie| | is there a better room to ask about vidcard drivers? I realize that this might not be the approriate irc room... |
| 05:34.44 | bugjar | after reading some /usr/share/doc/bind on rndc, i made sure there were no extra rndc files in /etc/bind/, reran the rndc-confgen as recommended in the doc, and i still get weird rndc failure notes when i try to restart the daemon |
| 05:35.08 | bugjar | weird being "wtf" not arbitary |
| 05:35.37 | kbateman | |newbie|: do you have the kernel module installed? |
| 05:35.44 | dondelelcaro | bugjar: what sort of messages? |
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| 05:36.34 | |newbie| | dondelelcaro: I believe so, how do I check? /etc/modutils? |
| 05:36.47 | bugjar | something about how the command protocol maybe different on the remote server (i'm restarting locally, no?) host not authorized (not sure where to look); clock not sync (again, this is on the same machine - what's remote?) , and key invalid - rndc-confgen -a should have picked that one off. |
| 05:37.15 | kbateman | |newbie|: lsmod will tell you what modules are currently loaded |
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| 05:39.00 | dondelelcaro | bugjar: ok, and the server that's running has been restarted recently, right? |
| 05:39.26 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, bind has, not the server itself) |
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| 05:39.30 | |newbie| | dondelelcaro: I don't think I see it here, probably need to install kernel modules..how do I do that? Are they just package dependencies, or do I need to modify a file to include a module? |
| 05:39.55 | kbateman | |newbie|: I am not dondelelcaro. :) |
| 05:39.55 | |newbie| | for the vid card? |
| 05:39.58 | arejay | ls -al shows a chmod of -r-xr-sr-x, any idea what chmod number that would be :( |
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| 05:40.26 | bugjar | dondelelcaro, yeah, in fact i started trying to peice together rndc because when i restarted bind (/etc/init.d...) it gave me messages about rndc failing. now it gives me the same message as rndc reload does |
| 05:40.41 | |newbie| | kbateman: sorry, do you know how to config the graphics card drivers? |
| 05:40.54 | kbateman | |newbie|: do you already have the kernel module in /lib/modules? |
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| 05:41.34 | |newbie| | kbateman: yes |
| 05:41.46 | |newbie| | AMD64 and fglrx |
| 05:41.58 | kbateman | Try running "modprobe fglrx" |
| 05:42.29 | bugjar | dondelelcaro , for what its worth, i'm running lenny, but i haven't updated since lenny became stable |
| 05:42.50 | dondelelcaro | bugjar: hrm... and /etc/bind/rndc.key is there and looks reasonable? |
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| 05:43.50 | kbateman | modprobe command isn't found? or the fglrx module isn't found |
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| 05:43.59 | |newbie| | sorry, module] |
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| 05:44.15 | dondelelcaro | bugjar: what I would suggest for starters is killing bind with kill, then starting it, and see if that clears things up |
| 05:44.15 | bugjar | dondelelcaro, i guess. it doesn't look like trash, if that's what you mean. but i don't know what to check it against; the docs say that there is no peice in named.conf that matches it |
| 05:44.20 | giovani | arejay: chmod 555 and then chmod g+s |
| 05:44.53 | bugjar | dondelelcaro - okay. for fun, while i've been trying to get this stuff going,i've seen no messages in /var/log/messages besides the syslog MARKs |
| 05:45.03 | kbateman | cd into /lib/modules , then do a uname -a to see the version of your kernel |
| 05:45.39 | dondelelcaro | bugjar: they'd go to /var/log/daemon |
| 05:46.02 | |newbie| | Linux macipb103 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 17:57:00 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 05:46.30 | bugjar | dondelelcaro, i see. and there they are.. al shut down. both rndc and bind. |
| 05:46.43 | kbateman | ok, cd into /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 05:46.53 | giovani | arejay: or alternatively, chmod 2555 |
| 05:47.03 | arejay | thanks guys |
| 05:47.04 | arejay | :) |
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| 05:47.22 | dondelelcaro | bugjar: cool; once you get them stopped, try starting them and see what happens |
| 05:48.53 | JyZyXEL | what the heck does arecord expect for the --device |
| 05:49.18 | bugjar | dondelelcaro , sudo /etc/init.d/bind9 force-reload ...then... bind9rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused -- as though there was no rndc file at all. |
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| 05:50.42 | |newbie| | kbateman: okay... |
| 05:51.08 | caimlas | hello, I've got a slight problem with respect to LVM, and building a kernel from the debian linux-source package. I built the kernel (the debian way, of course) using the .config from the 2.6.26 source, disabling the initrd (due to the fact that the BIOS is refusing to recognize any disk over 33G) |
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| 05:51.56 | kbateman | there ought to be a fglrx.ko file under there. Do a "find . -name fglrx.ko" |
| 05:52.11 | caimlas | basically, I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to tell the kernel to override the BIOS and avoid initrd screwing up something like hda=stroke, or if there's a specific kernel option I might add (aside from initrd) to allow me to use LVM w/o initrd. |
| 05:52.24 | dondelelcaro | bugjar: if you get connection refused, that almost sounds like bind9 hasn't started |
| 05:52.51 | |newbie| | kbateman: I see no file names with fglrx in that directory |
| 05:53.05 | bugjar | dondelelcaro, i tried running rndc reload by itself, and the connection is still refused |
| 05:53.16 | dondelelcaro | bugjar: yeah, because bind probably isn't even running |
| 05:53.29 | dondelelcaro | bugjar: run /etc/init.d/bind9 stop; /etc/init.d/bind9 start; and see what happens |
| 05:53.37 | dondelelcaro | bugjar: if the stop fails, manually kill bind9 |
| 05:53.43 | kbateman | I think you don't have the driver installed right then. Have you tried somethiing like http://aquariusoft.org/page/linux/atidebian/ |
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| 05:54.36 | bugjar | dondelelcaro - ah! i tried running bind9 by itself and specifying the named.conf - it is producing an error on the options file |
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| 05:57.13 | kbateman | |newbie|: the fglrx.ko, if it is there, should be in /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/video |
| 05:58.21 | |newbie| | kbateman: yeah, you're right about that. I did everything this link said about the installer but I did not see an option for "create packages on my platform"? |
| 05:58.37 | |newbie| | kbateman: so, do i need to do that manually? |
| 05:58.39 | bugjar | dondelelcaro - cool. thanks. |
| 05:58.46 | simonrvn | 's isp's nntp is acting wonky again... :/ |
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| 06:01.25 | kbateman | I've done this for my laptop with nvidia, but I've never used fglrx. So I'm not familiar with the menus in the installer |
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| 06:02.46 | gustavoeli | hi! |
| 06:02.50 | kbateman | |newbie|: So what options does the installer give you? |
| 06:03.55 | |newbie| | kbateman: general install, and install specific to your distribution |
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| 06:07.28 | kbateman | |newbie|: "install specific to your distribution" probably does what the link expects |
| 06:07.42 | kbateman | "general install" probably won't have anything to do with .deb packages. |
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| 06:09.25 | scum | Help, my mp3 player gets mounted read only |
| 06:09.32 | Guerin | !vfatrw |
| 06:09.33 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 06:10.29 | caimlas | does anyone know why the kernel might -not- ignore the BIOS with respect to drive size/geometry? I have a drive which I can not get to detect as the actual size (80G) within a specific system (instead it's detecting as 33.8G, or if I 'clip' it, 2Gb) |
| 06:10.42 | caimlas | and what I might be able to do to fix it? |
| 06:11.13 | simonrvn | not setting lba mode? dunno if that affects that. |
| 06:11.40 | |newbie| | kbateman: yeah, I did all of this stuff...but it does nto work |
| 06:11.57 | drazak | caimlas: if you're in bios, what do you have set for your large disk access, dos or other? set other if you can, and then maybe try a low level format |
| 06:12.00 | caimlas | simonrvn, hmm where would I set that? isn't that a DOS thing? |
| 06:12.10 | simonrvn | bios setting |
| 06:12.18 | kbateman | |newbie|: What error do you get? |
| 06:13.05 | |newbie| | everything turns multicolored nonsense, and I cannot get down to any run levels, and I have to reboot |
| 06:13.05 | caimlas | drazak, simonrvn this is an 'ancient' (733mhz) compaq ipaq agency. the BIOS is very, very limited; there are no drive settings of that sort. |
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| 06:13.28 | |newbie| | kbateman: basically, no error except complete inoperability |
| 06:13.47 | simonrvn | ipaq? innit one of those handheld thingys? |
| 06:13.55 | YuLiansu | Hello. stupid question: what should I do with mount.nfs4: Operation not permitted? |
| 06:13.56 | YuLiansu | command was: sudo mount -t nfs4 -o proto=tcp,port=2049 emerson:/ workbench/ |
| 06:14.01 | caimlas | drazak, simonrvn no idea if there's a way to tell the kernel to explicitly ignore the BIOS in this regard? I can boot linux, the installers, etc. just fine, and in fact, have a system on LVM already installed on it and configured. just want to use the full disk. |
| 06:14.20 | YuLiansu | Used to be working yesterday, the only thing I can remember that changed is /etc/exports from single host to a sub-net |
| 06:14.38 | kbateman | Did it create any .deb files? |
| 06:15.01 | scum | /dev/sdb /media/usb vfat umask=000,user,rw 1 0 did not change anything |
| 06:15.05 | kbateman | |newbie|: look in /usr/src |
| 06:15.39 | drazak | caimlas: that's not ancient at all, but that's still odd |
| 06:15.47 | simonrvn | agreed |
| 06:15.53 | caimlas | drazak, well, yes. not ancient, but wtf. |
| 06:15.54 | enouf | caimlas: certainly puts to shame my p2 350MHz x2 |
| 06:15.59 | simonrvn | ancient would be a P1 ;) |
| 06:16.20 | caimlas | I have one of those, but I don't have a week to build a kernel... |
| 06:16.25 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:16.35 | enouf | what? |
| 06:16.37 | caimlas | which is, sadly, about what it'd take these days on a machine like that... |
| 06:16.38 | YuLiansu | Hello how to quit from a telnet session? Ctrl+C doesn't work for a good reason. |
| 06:16.42 | |newbie| | fglrx_sample_source.tgz |
| 06:16.42 | |newbie| | " |
| 06:16.54 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:17.03 | |newbie| | kbateman: in /usr/src/ati...there is a tar.gz file for fglrx source called "fglrx_sample_source.tgz", do I extract that? |
| 06:17.23 | simonrvn | i tried installing debian on an m68k, 68040, took a day to complete. never ran it again. and this was back in the woody days. |
| 06:17.49 | drazak | simonrvn: you mean a pentium pro, right? :P |
| 06:17.49 | phobos_anomaly | lol |
| 06:17.51 | simonrvn | ran at 33 MHz |
| 06:17.53 | drazak | simonrvn: there's no such thing as a p1 |
| 06:18.04 | caimlas | drazak, enouf simonrvn so, no idea on a kernel option to ignore the BIOS, eh? historically (even back in the 2.0 days) this wasn't a problem provided /boot was below the (at the time, iirc) 2G mark... |
| 06:18.08 | kbateman | YuLiansu: do "~." |
| 06:18.13 | simonrvn | yeh, that's what i meant. thanks for the correction. |
| 06:18.39 | enouf | caimlas: ignore BIOS? see acpi.sf.net and look if your POC is blacklisted |
| 06:18.55 | kbateman | |newbie|: I'm reading about it for a minute |
| 06:19.15 | YuLiansu | kbateman: thanks. |
| 06:19.53 | enouf | caimlas: there was no 2G issue in 1999 .. maybe an 8.4GiB one ... but not 2G |
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| 06:20.10 | enouf | that's a fat16 issue |
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| 06:21.17 | caimlas | enouf, right. that 2Gb thing I mentioned relates to what the BIOS reports the drive is if I do as the WD documentation instructions say to do to clip larger drives so the OS can boot them. |
| 06:21.35 | caimlas | enouf, what's a POC? |
| 06:21.37 | kbateman | |newbie| have you considered just going with the open source drivers? |
| 06:21.44 | enouf | o m g |
| 06:22.03 | scum | Is there another type for fat 16 and 8? |
| 06:22.31 | enouf | caimlas: put a real HDD in that POS |
| 06:23.28 | caimlas | enouf, a real hard drive? it's a relatively modern (and just-off-the-shelf) 80Gb drive. |
| 06:23.58 | caimlas | enouf, and what is it that I'm looking for on acpi.sf.net, exactly? |
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| 06:24.44 | kbateman | caimlas: how old is this machine whose bios won't recognize an 80Gb disk? |
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| 06:24.58 | caimlas | kbateman, um... well, it's got a 1GHz P3. |
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| 06:25.03 | caimlas | kbateman, 2001 or so? |
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| 06:25.20 | caimlas | kbateman, compaq ipaq agency pd1040 |
| 06:25.25 | |newbie| | kbateman: you mean vesa? |
| 06:25.35 | caimlas | i810 chipset |
| 06:25.42 | caimlas | but, seemingly, proprietary compaq bios |
| 06:27.38 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:28.37 | enouf | # lshal | grep -A25 -B25 /dev/hdc | grep storage.size |
| 06:28.37 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:29.46 | enouf | # cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name' |
| 06:29.47 | enouf | model name : Pentium II (Deschutes) |
| 06:30.13 | caimlas | yeah |
| 06:30.20 | caimlas | I'll show you all the command output you want |
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| 06:30.37 | caimlas | it's a P3 1GHz, with an 80G disk, that recognizes as 33.8G |
| 06:30.54 | kbateman | |newbie|: what's the problem you're having again? Why do you need the proprietary drivers? |
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| 06:31.09 | enouf | that's a drive jumper setting |
| 06:31.31 | caimlas | enouf, it's the result of a setting, or lack of a setting? |
| 06:31.37 | enouf | there's TWO h |
| 06:31.47 | enouf | jumpers |
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| 06:32.09 | scum | Whats the command for formatting fat32? |
| 06:32.21 | enouf | caimlas: go ask in #hardware |
| 06:32.29 | enouf | not a debian issue |
| 06:32.34 | kbateman | mkfs -T vfat /dev/blah |
| 06:33.01 | kbateman | or is that -t... |
| 06:33.22 | scum | thank you |
| 06:33.24 | caimlas | enouf, ok. |
| 06:33.28 | kbateman | little t. mkfs -t vfat /dev/blah |
| 06:33.31 | enouf | mkdosfs -F 32 |
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| 06:34.14 | scum | Thank you |
| 06:34.17 | |newbie| | kbateman: I am just trying to configure my video card, that way I can watch movies, and use visualizer, and edit video and such...but I cannot configure it |
| 06:34.29 | |newbie| | kbateman: at least not to work with fglrx |
| 06:36.18 | enouf | caimlas: just as an example; here are my 80G drive jumper setttings http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/7k80/7k80jum.htm |
| 06:36.30 | kbateman | |newbie|: I'm sorry I couldn't help you. I need to get to sleep. Maybe you could try using the general install method |
| 06:36.33 | enouf | caimlas: for my p2 |
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| 06:37.02 | kbateman | |newbie| there seems to be a lot of inconsistencies between howto's on the web and what you're seeing with the new driver file |
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| 06:37.29 | caimlas | enouf, and do you have it jumper clipped? |
| 06:37.34 | enouf | no |
| 06:37.41 | caimlas | enouf, ok, neither do I. |
| 06:37.57 | caimlas | enouf, jumpered, it goes down to 2Gb |
| 06:38.11 | enouf | caimlas: BIOS only sees 65,535MB thouhg |
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| 06:38.26 | enouf | Linux sees all 80G |
| 06:38.33 | caimlas | enouf, as stands (set jumperless/cs or master) it sees 33.8G |
| 06:39.10 | enouf | caimlas: shuffle primary/master/slave |
| 06:39.21 | caimlas | enouf, well, yeah. that's the real pain in the rear. would seem that it's a linux problem to me, personally, on account of it being abnormal linux/kernel behavior, yes? normally it'd just say "screw you BIOS, I'm doing my own thing". |
| 06:39.49 | caimlas | enouf, shuffle htem? IE try slave setting? |
| 06:40.09 | enouf | ! #hardware ! |
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| 06:41.08 | enouf | i gave you enough info already |
| 06:41.23 | caimlas | enouf, yeah, ok. sure. |
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| 06:41.29 | caimlas | friendly types |
| 06:41.34 | caimlas | makes me wonder why I even bother |
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| 06:41.54 | enouf | otherwise smash that POS |
| 06:42.45 | enouf | win98 is for you |
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| 06:43.15 | enouf | wanna know how to registry dive? |
| 06:44.11 | enouf | Don't get mad at GNU/Linux for OEM pieces of shit!@ |
| 06:46.35 | caimlas | enouf, your name is GNU/Linux? o |
| 06:47.12 | enouf | yes |
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| 06:48.04 | debian_noob | Hi |
| 06:48.16 | debian_noob | i have a problem with aptitude |
| 06:48.21 | enouf | that's "Mr." to you though |
| 06:48.50 | debian_noob | i just removed the debian multimedia mirror form my sources.list and now |
| 06:48.57 | caimlas | enouf, dude, you give free software a bad name. |
| 06:49.26 | debian_noob | when i run aptitude upgrade,it says that libavformat52 is in a very bad state |
| 06:49.33 | debian_noob | i cant even remove it |
| 06:49.40 | caimlas | only things I've gotten irritated with is you, and the POS Compaq. Yes, I expect Linux to have a shortcut to deal with it, because it's Linux - ie capable. |
| 06:49.44 | enouf | caimlas: say hello to my bozo box - welcome - enjoy your stay |
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| 06:50.00 | debian_noob | i also have a problem with the package qt4-qtconfig |
| 06:50.23 | caimlas | debian_noob, that's odd. what'd you do to the dpkg database that might've caused that? try cross-mixing sources? |
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| 06:50.39 | debian_noob | every time i run aptitude install or remove or upgrade,it says dpkg had trouble configuring it |
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| 06:50.57 | debian_noob | qt4-qtconfig |
| 06:51.17 | sylarr | is there a tool that helps move / from sdd to sda ? |
| 06:51.17 | debian_noob | ill paste bin the output of aptitude upgrade.ok? |
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| 06:51.53 | bhundven | curious, I can't seem to get to packages.d.o. Is apt-get.org a more prefered site these days? or is p.d.o supposed to be working? |
| 06:52.08 | Kevin` | what's an snes emulator available for arm(el)? |
| 06:52.28 | rexinw | debian_noob, why don't you use apt-get from command line.. |
| 06:53.00 | debian_noob | rexinw:i use aptitude also from command line |
| 06:53.05 | debian_noob | and its better |
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| 06:55.07 | debian_noob | http://pastebin.com/m1de19ec1 |
| 06:55.09 | bhundven | sylarr: could you explain more? do you have two disks and want to copy all of sdd to sda? or do you want to just change the mount point in /etc/fstab? |
| 06:55.22 | debian_noob | thats the output of aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 06:56.20 | debian_noob | the libavformat52 problem is gone |
| 06:56.33 | debian_noob | but the qt4-qtconfig |
| 06:56.53 | debian_noob | is it harmful for it to be like that? |
| 06:57.03 | bhundven | ls -la /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/qtconfig |
| 06:57.08 | bhundven | ls -la /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ |
| 06:57.11 | bhundven | woop |
| 06:57.12 | bhundven | s |
| 06:57.14 | bhundven | wront term |
| 06:57.15 | bhundven | :-D |
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| 06:57.32 | kdas | i have 2 monitors i am using twinview and i have a terminal that starts with openbox shown here: http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screnny.png and now that i connected my other monitor that terminal starts in other monitor any help ? |
| 06:57.36 | rexinw | apt-get remove qt4-qtconfig and may be then reinstall it |
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| 06:58.05 | debian_noob | rexinw:i tried it but no result. :-( |
| 06:58.43 | debian_noob | bhundve:n-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-02-27 15:01 /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/qtconfig |
| 06:58.58 | bananafreak | hey im goin to buy me a webcam today and stream .jpg to my webserver but the /dev/video is allready in use by my tvcard what will that webcam be for source then |
| 06:59.23 | bhundven | debian_noob: na. I was checking to see if I had that file, and to see what it looked like, but I typed in the wrong terminal... lol |
| 06:59.32 | debian_noob | bhundven:oh |
| 06:59.50 | debian_noob | bhundven:what is the package for anyway? |
| 07:00.07 | bananafreak | the tvcard wich i use is an hvr-1100 |
| 07:00.13 | kdas | anyone ? |
| 07:00.30 | roe_ | if I am looking to tar something up and I want it to follow symlinks, does -h get that for me? |
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| 07:00.40 | roe_ | I think that is wht the man pages says, but not sure |
| 07:00.50 | bhundven | personally, you should be able to do: apt-get remove --purge qt4-qtconfig; then try: apt-get install qt4-qtconfig |
| 07:01.08 | debian_noob | ok lemme try |
| 07:01.38 | bhundven | is an odd message: # |
| 07:01.39 | bhundven | update-alternatives: error or eof reading /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/qtconfig for update_mode () |
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| 07:01.51 | debian_noob | bhundven:subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
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| 07:02.30 | debian_noob | bhundven:same here |
| 07:02.43 | bhundven | debian_noob: do to paste: cat /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/qtconfig |
| 07:02.52 | sylarr | bhundven, I want to remove 3 disks from the system |
| 07:02.54 | rexinw | debian_noob did you doan apt-get update initially? |
| 07:03.16 | debian_noob | bhundven:no output |
| 07:03.16 | sylarr | bhundven, I also made a copy of the HD, and want to operate it solo in a different computer |
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| 07:03.57 | bhundven | debian_noob: do you get the error about the subprocess when you tried to remove it? |
| 07:04.00 | debian_noob | rexinw:i did aptitude update |
| 07:04.00 | debian_noob | rexinw:this problem exists for a long time |
| 07:04.18 | debian_noob | bhundven:yes |
| 07:04.29 | debian_noob | rexinw:2-3 weeks |
| 07:04.40 | bhundven | try deleting the file and doing the: apt-get remove --purge qt4-qtconfig |
| 07:04.56 | bhundven | file being /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/qtconfig |
| 07:05.04 | debian_noob | ok |
| 07:05.22 | bhundven | then install it again. |
| 07:05.27 | bhundven | if it worked... |
| 07:05.37 | debian_noob | permission denied |
| 07:05.53 | bhundven | werd, do with sudo: sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/qtconfig |
| 07:06.03 | bhundven | wait |
| 07:06.11 | debian_noob | i am root already |
| 07:06.21 | khaije1 | i am legend |
| 07:06.29 | bhundven | pff |
| 07:06.44 | debian_noob | oh sorry |
| 07:06.50 | debian_noob | i was running cat |
| 07:06.55 | debian_noob | i removed it now |
| 07:07.04 | debian_noob | now ill run apt-get remove --purge qt4-qtconfig? |
| 07:07.07 | bhundven | yup |
| 07:07.12 | debian_noob | ok |
| 07:07.33 | debian_noob | Hurray! |
| 07:07.35 | debian_noob | done |
| 07:07.45 | debian_noob | now ill install it? |
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| 07:07.51 | bhundven | nods |
| 07:08.25 | debian_noob | a nod can mean both a yes and no |
| 07:08.26 | bhundven | it will just create that alternatives file again... I guess the other thing that could have been done was: apt-get install --reintall qt4-qtconfig |
| 07:08.29 | bhundven | yes |
| 07:08.31 | kdas | can someone help ? |
| 07:08.38 | bhundven | !ask |
| 07:08.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:08.55 | bhundven | the last line is the important one... |
| 07:09.15 | debian_noob | kdas:try ##linux |
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| 07:10.02 | kdas | bhundven, i did ask before |
| 07:10.06 | bhundven | sylarr: I would change any reference to hdd to hda in /boot/grub/menu.lst and the same in /etc/fstab. |
| 07:10.11 | bhundven | kdas: I wasn't here... |
| 07:10.18 | debian_noob | bhundven:no problems now! |
| 07:10.21 | bhundven | sylarr: then do: update-grub |
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| 07:10.33 | kdas | i have 2 monitors i am using twinview and i have a terminal that starts with openbox shown here: http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screnny.png and now that i connected my other monitor that terminal starts in other monitor any help ? |
| 07:10.36 | sylarr | aha |
| 07:10.47 | enouf | bravo to wintendo weenie linux |
| 07:10.48 | kdas | bhundven, ^^ |
| 07:11.02 | sylarr | bhundven, is there a need to mkinitrd? |
| 07:11.32 | bhundven | I guess it wouldn't hurt to: update-initramfs -u -k $(uname -r) |
| 07:11.36 | bhundven | after updating fstab |
| 07:12.14 | bhundven | wintendo? |
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| 07:12.50 | enouf | you don't need -u -k for the $() kernel version |
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| 07:13.15 | debian_noob | my printer,HP Laserjet 6L is not being detected |
| 07:13.25 | debian_noob | can anybody help me set it up? |
| 07:13.31 | bhundven | bleh |
| 07:13.34 | enouf | sylarr: mkinitrd is dead |
| 07:13.42 | sylarr | o |
| 07:14.01 | debian_noob | it has a parallel port |
| 07:14.31 | kdas | bhundven, you got my question ? |
| 07:14.40 | bhundven | enouf: I'm just up late trying to figure out why I can't get to packages.debian.org |
| 07:15.06 | bhundven | kdas: I don't really understand the problem. |
| 07:15.14 | debian_noob | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 07:15.16 | enouf | bhundven: me too |
| 07:15.26 | debian_noob | i can go there |
| 07:15.37 | debian_noob | whats it saying? |
| 07:15.54 | kdas | bhundven, with twin view is there a way to make prorgams open in a particuliar monitor ? |
| 07:16.12 | bhundven | idk. don't have twinview... |
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| 07:16.48 | kdas | bhundven, ok thanks |
| 07:16.51 | debian_noob | theres no such package as twinview |
| 07:17.06 | bhundven | debian_noob: it's an nvidia thing |
| 07:17.15 | debian_noob | ok |
| 07:17.36 | debian_noob | but aptitude search twinview doesnt show anything |
| 07:17.46 | debian_noob | maybe it has to be installed manually |
| 07:19.06 | bhundven | meh. I'll just look through the dist directory of the ftp site... p.d.o... rip. |
| 07:19.09 | kdas | bhundven, i forgot how to do this and been trying for like 2 nights.... i have debootstrapped to a CF disk (plugged in to reader) and installed grub to it but the device that will be using it won't boot using /dev/sdc1 i am sure it will be /dev/hd0 i tried setting that in menu.lst but no luck any ideas? |
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| 07:20.44 | enouf | bravo to wintendo weenie linux |
| 07:20.52 | debian_noob | what is that? |
| 07:21.31 | debian_noob | wintendo?? |
| 07:21.36 | debian_noob | weenie?? |
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| 07:22.37 | debian_noob | xbox? |
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| 07:23.54 | b0lt | i'm having a weird problem with apache2 and php5 |
| 07:24.06 | b0lt | a test file that contains just <?php phpinfo(); ?> works fine |
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| 07:24.32 | wedge | is there any tool I can use to build a custom debian install cd in windows? |
| 07:24.36 | b0lt | but everything else is prompting me to download the page (which is the source) |
| 07:24.47 | wedge | b0lt: refresh the page |
| 07:24.52 | wedge | close your browser |
| 07:25.10 | b0lt | oh |
| 07:25.13 | b0lt | weird |
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| 07:25.26 | b0lt | what |
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| 07:25.40 | b0lt | i had to clear the cache |
| 07:25.51 | b0lt | never realized it would cache that :o |
| 07:26.06 | wedge | oh.. it will |
| 07:26.21 | wedge | I realised that after having a class of students with this problem |
| 07:26.28 | wedge | after they installed apache with php5 |
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| 07:32.50 | john_ | sorry wrong room |
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| 07:39.24 | s3a | is there a debian application that allows me to check if my hard drive is failing? |
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| 07:42.02 | piper69 | Hello everyone |
| 07:42.22 | at0m|werk | s3a: smartmontools |
| 07:43.03 | piper69 | i am having hard time to open avi with vlc after upgrading from etch to lenny! anyone with this issue |
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| 07:45.11 | superjet_busy | piper69: debian dropped xvid so vlc become crippled in debian |
| 07:46.14 | n3kl | surely not in debian-multimedia though |
| 07:46.26 | piper69 | so what shall i do? |
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| 07:47.34 | liable | !dmo |
| 07:47.45 | liable | meh |
| 07:47.48 | liable | !dmm |
| 07:47.48 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze> |
| 07:47.56 | superjet_busy | piper69: use mplayer from debian-multimedia or comiple vlc after install xvid etc. |
| 07:48.24 | piper69 | liable: i did that and still not able to see the picture, i can see the it is playing but no picture :( |
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| 07:49.18 | liable | piper69: experience has taught me to have always vlc, xine and mplayer all installed, because at any one time, two of them are likely to be broken.. :( |
| 07:49.57 | piper69 | well in my case vlc and mplayer are broken liable |
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| 07:50.48 | simonrvn | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt |
| 07:51.11 | superjet_busy | only using mplayer for video |
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| 07:51.22 | ManateeLazyCat | http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/Irfc |
| 07:51.35 | Rothgar | Hmm any regex people able to tell me how I can allow "."'s in usernames? |
| 07:51.39 | Rothgar | NAME_REGEX="^[a-z][-a-z0-9]*\$" |
| 07:52.18 | piper69 | well i think i should start looking to how to go back to etch |
| 07:52.30 | Mood | is mplayer faster than vlc on a slower p3 box? |
| 07:52.37 | piper69 | think lenny and I start on the wrong foot |
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| 07:52.58 | simonrvn | ManateeLazyCat: oooh thanks |
| 07:53.11 | ManateeLazyCat | simonrvn: Like emacs? |
| 07:53.51 | ManateeLazyCat | simonrvn: Irfc can help you read RFC document in Emacs, if have any problem about this, join #emacs or mail to me. :) |
| 07:54.12 | simonrvn | YARR |
| 07:54.22 | simonrvn | (yet another rfc reader) |
| 07:54.29 | simonrvn | :P |
| 07:54.44 | ManateeLazyCat | simonrvn: If you join #emacs, i can give your some tips. :) |
| 07:54.52 | mius | Rothgar: [a-z\.] |
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| 07:55.12 | simonrvn | i have been in there on occasion ;). bit busy right now though. |
| 07:55.15 | piper69 | liable: which flav you running |
| 07:55.33 | liable | flav? |
| 07:55.37 | Rothgar | mius: So "^[a-z\.][-a-z0-9\.]*\$" or what? |
| 07:56.06 | Rothgar | NAME_REGEX="^[a-z][-a-z0-9]*\$" << Thats the default Debian username regex |
| 07:56.09 | ManateeLazyCat | simonrvn: Okay, if you have any idea or bug, mail to me or write at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/AndyStewart |
| 07:56.29 | mius | Rothgar: "^[a-z\.][-a-z0-9\.]*\$", yes |
| 07:56.35 | Rothgar | I assume it's alpha and alpha-numeric |
| 07:56.38 | mius | Rothgar: "^[a-z\.][-a-z0-9\.]*$", yes |
| 07:56.45 | simonrvn | cool thanks. i fetch the emacs wiki CVS for the .el files, so i see in my from-the-emacs-wiki/ dir |
| 07:57.05 | Rothgar | mius: Why are we removing the last \ ? |
| 07:57.28 | mius | Rothgar: "^[a-z0-9\.]*$", is also ok |
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| 07:58.14 | mius | cause u dont need it there.. \ escapes special characters |
| 07:58.24 | mius | $ stands for the end of the expression |
| 07:58.36 | mius | so now special char follows \ |
| 07:59.07 | mius | -w |
| 07:59.51 | enouf | lvs minmalsm |
| 07:59.59 | Rothgar | ok thanks mius |
| 08:00.19 | mius | np |
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| 08:01.53 | Rothgar | Do I have to force it to re-read the /etc/adduser.conf ? |
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| 08:03.03 | piper69 | anyone here using vlc with lenny |
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| 08:03.59 | khaije1 | yup |
| 08:04.32 | piper69 | khaije1 you mind helping me set mine up |
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| 08:05.07 | piper69 | basiclay i tired it all , with no luck i installed w32codecs n still not able to play my avi |
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| 08:05.58 | at0m|werk | piper69: w32codecs - you are not using a 64bit kernel are you? |
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| 08:06.42 | piper69 | at0m|werk: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 08:06.44 | at0m|werk | if so, get w64codecs |
| 08:07.02 | piper69 | ^^ uname -r |
| 08:07.34 | at0m|werk | ok then, i think that's fine then |
| 08:08.15 | khaije1 | piper69: i added debian-multimedia repos, i'm not sure if thats necessary in your case but i haven't had any problems with it |
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| 08:09.25 | piper69 | here is my soures.list http://paste.debian.net/30029/ |
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| 08:11.37 | khaije1 | piper69: why do you have so many debian-multimedia entries? |
| 08:12.06 | khaije1 | try installing the ffmpeg codecs |
| 08:12.38 | piper69 | how? |
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| 08:13.12 | khaije1 | sudo apt-get install `apt-cache search ffmpeg | cut -f1 -d1` |
| 08:13.16 | Rothgar | mius: Any idea on how I can get adduser to now use the updated configuration? |
| 08:13.31 | khaije1 | isn't sure if the cut is right |
| 08:14.36 | liable | is kde4 broken? i guess i'm about to find out.. |
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| 08:14.53 | khaije1 | sudo apt-get install `apt-cache search ffmpeg | cut -f1 -d1 | xargs` i think thats right |
| 08:15.02 | piper69 | khaije1 not working |
| 08:15.19 | at0m|werk | or "apt-cache search ffmpeg" then manually apt-get install the obvious |
| 08:16.32 | khaije1 | at0m|werk: :-] (i'm not in front of a unix machine atm) |
| 08:16.39 | Guerin | you might also want w32codecs |
| 08:16.46 | Guerin | for retarded shit like divx |
| 08:16.57 | at0m|werk | khaije1, same here |
| 08:17.04 | piper69 | Guerin: i got w32codecs |
| 08:17.17 | hark | liable: from experimental? |
| 08:18.46 | khaije1 | piper69: also check for libavcodec* packages that look usefull (libavcodec51 in lenny) |
| 08:18.49 | hark | piper69: didn't downgrading to debian packages work? |
| 08:19.06 | khaije1 | piper69: have you already installed ffmpeg? |
| 08:19.19 | piper69 | khaije1 yes i dif |
| 08:19.29 | piper69 | s/dif/did |
| 08:21.35 | khaije1 | do other audio/video files play properly? |
| 08:24.11 | piper69 | no, i think i need to install xvid codec |
| 08:24.17 | superjet_busy | piper69: just compile vlc after install xvid and there is no way to play xivd things only with the binary one from debian |
| 08:24.17 | hark | installing ffmpeg is not required |
| 08:24.42 | hark | superjet_busy: it works in debian |
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| 08:25.23 | superjet_busy | hark: make sure it's xvid things as vlc compiled without xvid support in debian |
| 08:25.39 | liable | hark: no, seems it was just a few 4 libs, still appears to be 3.5 |
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| 08:26.00 | morsing | morning :_ |
| 08:26.02 | morsing | :) |
| 08:26.20 | qabulin | why wont new files brought in via sftp wont obey setgid rules? |
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| 08:26.47 | wedge | is there a few to make the debian installer set /dev/sda as root partition etc? cause the installer sees the usb floppy as /dev/sda (required for loading some firmware modules) during install and puts disk as sdb. |
| 08:26.59 | morsing | How come upgrading from etch to lenny has removed locate? |
| 08:27.13 | cahoot | slocate? |
| 08:27.14 | hark | superjet_busy: don't see anything in the changelog, you got a link? |
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| 08:27.42 | hark | mlocate maybe? |
| 08:28.07 | piper69 | hark: this is the error message from vlc "ain decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID'. |
| 08:28.08 | piper69 | VLC probably does not support this sound or video format." |
| 08:28.28 | Internat | piper69: do you have debian multimedia repository in your sources? |
| 08:28.36 | at0m|werk | wedge: what if you plug in the usb after boot, so it recognises disk as sda first? |
| 08:28.48 | piper69 | Internat: http://paste.debian.net/30029/ |
| 08:28.49 | hark | piper69: did you do as i said earlier about installing debian packages of those debian multimedia ones |
| 08:28.53 | prof | hello guys I worked with Debian etch and it was very good and pleasent except old but stable packages now lenny has come I want a debian like distro (not debian base) what a bout lenny can I install KDE4.2 for example |
| 08:29.14 | wedge | at0m|werk: cant do that, it's an idrac :( |
| 08:29.21 | wedge | it connects it before boot, cant do much about it |
| 08:29.23 | Internat | yeah |
| 08:29.31 | Internat | vlc and debian-multimedia repository is boned |
| 08:29.32 | at0m|werk | wedge: or you could always install to /dev/sdb* then edit fstab to use LABEL or UUID instead of /dev/sd?? |
| 08:29.36 | prof | I'm considering Fedora 10 what about it? |
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| 08:29.47 | Internat | i worked this out earlier today when i was trying to get mythtv installed, and keep a working version of VLC.. |
| 08:30.17 | morsing | Well, there's no slocate or mlocate but just installed the locate package and it works. Strange why it got removed |
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| 08:30.47 | khaije1 | piper69: this may apply in your case http://www.zeitoun.net/articles/vlc-conflict-debian-lenny-and-debian-multimedia/start |
| 08:31.12 | piper69 | i just did that and it didn;t fix it |
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| 08:32.29 | morsing | Is there any way of renumbering screen windows? |
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| 08:32.37 | morsing | Nowt about it in the man page... |
| 08:33.12 | hark | piper69: we'll see, pastebin "aptitude search '~Ounoff~i'" |
| 08:33.12 | piper69 | here is apt-cache policy vlc output http://paste.debian.net/30031/ |
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| 08:34.43 | piper69 | hark: http://paste.debian.net/30032/ |
| 08:34.48 | arezey | hello, i have a script that opens thousands of files and reads their first line and writes an index based on them. the first run takes a while, about 20 seconds, while the next runs go in a second or two. why is this? |
| 08:34.51 | khaije1 | prof: kde4.2 can be installed but requires numerous upgrades from unstable and expierimental (http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html) |
| 08:35.00 | arezey | is there some sort of file cache? |
| 08:35.33 | piper69 | arezey: pastebin the script |
| 08:35.34 | Rothgar | Why doesn't adduser ask for a home directory? |
| 08:35.39 | hark | piper69: so you didn't do a thing, and you still expect it to work? |
| 08:35.57 | piper69 | hark: do what? |
| 08:36.04 | arezey | piper69, ah it's tcl, but as you wish.. |
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| 08:37.06 | seria-mau | is it possible to use claws-mail with reportbug? or enable tls/ssl and another authentication method than smtp auth for reportbug? |
| 08:37.13 | hark | piper69: install debian packages of the dmm ones. i even told you which ones earlier. the paste still shows you having the same dmm packages |
| 08:37.25 | seria-mau | i know reportbug-ng, but i like reportbug much better |
| 08:38.08 | piper69 | hark: i am confused , please be patient with me |
| 08:38.27 | seria-mau | ok, gmail is actually mentioned in the readme.users. mea culpa. -_- |
| 08:39.35 | arezey | well, the script is in http://paste.debian.net/30033/ but i wonder why is the script needed |
| 08:39.53 | arezey | just wondering why mass file opening takes faster after the first run |
| 08:40.00 | at0m|werk | morsing: http://soniahamilton.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/howto-move-windows-in-gnu-screen/ |
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| 08:40.14 | hark | piper69: do you know what's wrong and what can fix it? |
| 08:40.14 | arezey | s/faster/less time/ |
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| 08:41.14 | at0m|werk | arezey: cos there's just reads on the second run, and much less writes? |
| 08:41.17 | emilsedgh | there are some files on directories like /usr that i want them to be removed.is there any way i can remove all the files in a directory which do not belong to any package? |
| 08:41.23 | piper69 | hark: no, but i am welling to learn |
| 08:41.43 | arezey | at0m|werk, what do you mean? |
| 08:41.52 | arezey | the script just reads the ~3k files |
| 08:43.21 | at0m|werk | arezey: well whem it creates the index on the first run, adding a couple lines from each file for 1000s files causes 1000s writes. on second run, no more need to write all them cos they're already in the index which is read and compared for additions? |
| 08:43.30 | at0m|werk | s/whem/when |
| 08:44.00 | arezey | at0m|werk, uhh no. the script's quite primitive, it creates the index from scratch each time :) |
| 08:44.20 | at0m|werk | arezey: my bad guess then :] |
| 08:44.27 | arezey | and it reads all files first and then writes the one index; 3k reads, one write |
| 08:45.17 | piper69 | hark: where did you go? |
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| 08:45.26 | hark | piper69: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libavcodec51 libavformat52 libavutil49 libpostproc51 libswscale0" |
| 08:46.23 | piper69 | http://paste.debian.net/30034/ |
| 08:47.29 | hark | piper69: all of them are from the debian-multimedia repostory which seems to be incompatible with vlc. |
| 08:48.46 | piper69 | hark: ok, so how can we fix 'em |
| 08:48.47 | hark | piper69: if you want vlc working, they have to be downgraded to the versions in debian |
| 08:49.05 | piper69 | hark: ok |
| 08:49.40 | krishna_s | n |
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| 08:49.54 | piper69 | so should i just apt=get remove --purge then all |
| 08:50.13 | hark | piper69: try "aptitude reinstall -t stable libavcodec51 libavformat52 libavutil49 libpostproc51 libswscale0" |
| 08:50.32 | hark | hopefully we won't have to explicily speciify the versions |
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| 08:51.09 | hark | piper69: and give me the output of that command along with the earlier one |
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| 08:51.14 | piper69 | done, now go try |
| 08:51.17 | piper69 | ? |
| 08:51.46 | hark | then rm -r ~/.vlc/cache/plugins* |
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| 08:55.10 | piper69 | rm: cannot remove `/root/.vlc/cache/plugins*': No such file or directory |
| 08:55.48 | hark | piper69: i'll leave you to figure that out |
| 08:56.28 | piper69 | hark: rm -r /piper69/.vlc/cache/plugins* |
| 08:56.31 | piper69 | :) |
| 08:57.13 | hark | piper69: where's the paste of the output? |
| 08:57.48 | piper69 | of which one |
| 08:58.00 | piper69 | the reinstall |
| 08:58.07 | hark | yes |
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| 08:59.29 | hark | piper69: the rm is to be done as your user, not root |
| 08:59.41 | piper69 | http://paste.debian.net/30035/ |
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| 09:01.03 | djace | i currently have gcc 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 installed. Can 4.1 or 4.2 be removed safely? |
| 09:01.19 | hark | meh, have to explicily specify it |
| 09:02.07 | piper69 | hark: am all ears |
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| 09:05.25 | hark | piper69: aptitude reinstall libavcodec51=0.svn20080206-17 libavformat52=0.svn20080206-17 libavutil49=0.svn20080206-17 libpostproc51=0.svn20080206-17 libswscale0=0.svn20080206-17 |
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| 09:11.38 | hark | piper69: only vlc v0.9 onwards works with the packages from debian-multimedia. |
| 09:13.08 | piper69 | http://paste.debian.net/30036/ |
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| 09:14.52 | piper69 | disregard hark |
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| 09:15.30 | piper69 | i have a question, can instead of reinstall can i remove all these and then install |
| 09:16.05 | piper69 | because you can only specify the version with the install command |
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| 09:17.25 | hark | piper69: ah, use "apt-get install --reinstall" instead then |
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| 09:19.52 | piper69 | hark after i am done reinstalling, should i rm =rf ..../plugin* again |
| 09:20.22 | diazepam | anyone recommend a logfile analyizing and reporting tool? |
| 09:20.44 | hark | piper69: as your user --> rm -r ~/.vlc/cache/plugins* |
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| 09:24.35 | hark | diazepam: logcheck |
| 09:24.53 | hark | !poke piper69 |
| 09:24.54 | dpkg | pokes piper69 with a stick |
| 09:25.18 | diazepam | hark - ok will check it out - thanks mate! |
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| 09:28.03 | grummund | hi, my /usr has reached nearly 100% disk usage, so i want to move /usr/share and /usr/lib to their own partitions... |
| 09:28.12 | mnabil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:31.41 | julius | Hello |
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| 09:34.38 | piper69 | hark: you are the man , it is working now |
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| 09:35.21 | piper69 | hark: sorry , i got dragged in to connect the pc to my sound receiver |
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| 09:36.08 | fir3 | hi |
| 09:36.37 | fir3 | gibt es eine möglichkeit ekiga 3.0 ohne großen aufwand unter etch zu installieren? |
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| 09:38.00 | hark | piper69: good, but now you have to get rid of the debian-multimedia repository from your sources.list |
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| 09:38.30 | nareshov | !de @ fir3 |
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| 09:38.33 | nareshov | !de |
| 09:38.33 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
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| 09:44.24 | omry|work | how do I prevent apt-get from ever upgrading a specific package? |
| 09:44.58 | petemc | !hold |
| 09:44.59 | dpkg | somebody said hold was a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 09:47.01 | omry|work | petemc, I found something about HoldPkgs in /etc/apt/apt.conf, is this the same? |
| 09:47.44 | simonrvn | not quite, that's a more permanent thing |
| 09:48.25 | omry|work | I want it permanent, it's a modified kernel package. |
| 09:48.31 | omry|work | if it gets upgraded the system wont boot |
| 09:49.00 | julius | I installed Etch on an old P3 450 that my mother is using for internet, etc. Do you think I have to upgrade to lenny ? Is it worth upgrading on such a PC ? |
| 09:49.19 | omry|work | simonrvn, which one is the more permanent? apt.conf? |
| 09:49.57 | omry|work | how do I verify that the package is correctly held? |
| 09:50.04 | simonrvn | yeh, becuase that'll stay until you re-edit it, whereas doing it from aptitude can be overridden much more easily. |
| 09:50.08 | simonrvn | because* |
| 09:51.57 | omry|work | simonrvn, alright.. thanks. |
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| 09:52.23 | omry|work | and my other question? how do I verify that the package is correctly held? |
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| 10:16.06 | emma | could I have a link to where you download debian sid ?> |
| 10:16.13 | at0m|werk | SCIBOTIC: https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm ? |
| 10:16.30 | petemc | emma: there is no sid installer |
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| 10:17.25 | superjet_busy | emma: you may try sidux distro |
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| 10:18.26 | emma | how can there be no sid installer how do you install it then? |
| 10:19.17 | petemc | you upgrade, and the general rule is, if you have to ask, you shouldnt |
| 10:19.29 | emma | This is what I'm looking for... A debian with new software that frequently is updated.. |
| 10:19.43 | petemc | and often breaks too |
| 10:20.53 | emma | so you install the latest debian (lenny) and then upgrade. Is that the strategy? |
| 10:20.56 | at0m|werk | emma: many run testing... and on a sidenote, debian isnt exactly known for high frequency updates |
| 10:21.08 | petemc | sid is |
| 10:21.22 | petemc | emma: yes, but be prepared to experience issues from time to time |
| 10:22.43 | emma | I liked the name etch better than I like the name lenny. |
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| 10:24.51 | emma | Etch sounds like a guy you really shouldn't date, but you have a good time if you do. Lenny sounds like a nebbish fellow who wants to give you a great deal on a used TV. |
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| 10:25.26 | mavhc | you should probably stick to version numbers |
| 10:25.41 | emma | This is version 5.0 yes? |
| 10:25.46 | riham | Hi all , anybody here with experience in RAID recovery ? |
| 10:26.08 | at0m|werk | emma: to me they sound like Toy Story characters. i prefer thinking in stable/testing/.. |
| 10:26.22 | emma | That is a better number than 4. It's a prime number. |
| 10:26.35 | at0m|werk | ftw |
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| 10:27.38 | emma | There are only so many characters in Toy Story but perhaps that explains the long delay between new releases.... You guys are holding out for part III so you don't run out of names. :) |
| 10:28.09 | mavhc | just need to name all the toy soldiers |
| 10:28.30 | emma | hehehe |
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| 10:49.25 | omry|work | what's the 'right' way to add a startup parameter to mysql server on debian? |
| 10:49.44 | omry|work | specifically, --skip-name-resolve |
| 10:49.55 | valdyn | omry|work: that cannot be specified in the config file? |
| 10:50.19 | omry|work | tried, seems to be ignored. |
| 10:50.33 | omry|work | at least, I treid with skip_name_resolve. this is not documented very well. |
| 10:51.36 | omry|work | okay, found another example somewhere that said it's supposed to sbe kip-name-resolve in the conf |
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| 10:52.34 | valdyn | omry|work: services that have options that cannot be set in config files use /etc/default/, but theres nothign for mysql |
| 10:52.55 | omry|work | yeah, I looked there |
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| 10:53.58 | elirips | Hello. Somone knows about a programm that can create 3D-models and store them as an obj-file? |
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| 10:54.19 | valdyn | elirips: what is an obj-file in your sense? |
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| 10:55.45 | elirips | valdyn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obj |
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| 10:56.21 | elirips | valdyn: "The OBJ file format is a simple data-format that represents 3D geometry alone — namely, the position of each vertex... " <- that's exactly what i need. |
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| 10:58.56 | valdyn | elirips: sad how someone uses a file suffix that is obviously already occupied |
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| 10:59.37 | elirips | valdyn: by what is .obj used also? |
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| 11:00.02 | valdyn | elirips: compilers |
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| 11:00.39 | elirips | valdyn: oke :P hm, I somehow can't believe that there is nothing available in debian already.. but searching for obj, mesh, and so on did not result in something usefull.. |
| 11:01.20 | valdyn | elirips: and the 3 links on the wikipedia site link to software that seems to be free but not in debian |
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| 11:04.17 | valdyn | elirips: wings3d is in debian |
| 11:05.35 | elirips | valdyn: thank you. i'll give that a try |
| 11:05.38 | valdyn | elirips: blender can import .obj |
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| 11:06.03 | valdyn | elirips: im clueless about 3d stuff, but blender is probably the most professional package |
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| 11:06.20 | elirips | valdyn: just reading the description of blender - sounds perfect |
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| 11:10.55 | xingu | elirips: take a look at maya too |
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| 11:15.15 | BrixSat | this is onb fstab "/dev/sda4 /media/Windows vfat " this is good but i cant write to it :S |
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| 11:16.23 | Phoxis | hello, does debian contain system-config-network? or NetworkManager, or pppoe-setup? |
| 11:16.27 | cahoot | BrixSat: try /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 11:16.56 | Phoxis | i dont use debian |
| 11:17.01 | Phoxis | its just a query |
| 11:17.07 | Phoxis | i am in fedora 10 |
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| 11:18.05 | Phoxis | please dont get heated up |
| 11:18.07 | patrikf | !pdo |
| 11:18.07 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 11:18.23 | at0m|werk | Phoxis: i prefer using /etc/network/interfaces, but KDE4 uses NetworkManager |
| 11:18.34 | Phoxis | ya i can use it here too |
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| 11:18.44 | at0m|werk | and i guess gnome has its network manager too.. |
| 11:18.44 | Phoxis | is it from the GNOME project? |
| 11:19.03 | patrikf | NetworkManager isn't DE-specific, but a generic daemon |
| 11:19.12 | patrikf | and yes, there is an interface for GNOME as well |
| 11:19.29 | at0m|werk | right, just found that on http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
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| 11:19.39 | patrikf | quite useful for the notebook :-) (otherwise, interfaces is the better way to set up your network) |
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| 11:24.39 | BrixSat | cahoot i have done that and nothing :S |
| 11:26.51 | at0m|werk | oop, ctrl-w closed web client |
| 11:27.07 | elirips | xingu: isn't maya commercial? |
| 11:27.39 | sylarr | is it possible to share usb devices between two servers? |
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| 11:29.39 | at0m|werk | sylarr: what kind of devices? file sharing, network connections or stuff like /dev/video0 ? |
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| 11:30.18 | sylarr | at0m|werk, files, like flash drives that I put on one computer will be seen at the other too automatically |
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| 11:30.31 | sylarr | at0m|werk, and also usb CDRW |
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| 11:33.42 | at0m|werk | sylarr: you can set up file sharing for flash drives ( /msg dpkg nfs), not sure about cdrw |
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| 11:34.29 | at0m|werk | ie. share /media using /etc/exports |
| 11:34.42 | xingu | elirips: very much so; 30d trial from memory. |
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| 11:35.51 | xingu | elirips: it'll also warp your mind if you use it; the UI is err... novel... although skilled operators do tend to become highly productive with it. |
| 11:36.07 | osfd_ | Do you know where I can talk about Open source fonts please ..? |
| 11:36.19 | osfd_ | !font |
| 11:36.20 | dpkg | 'fixed' is the one true font! |
| 11:36.37 | plipp | hi guys. I want to get the sources for the package v4l-dvb, but apparently apt-get cannot find that. How do I proceed? |
| 11:36.41 | brusca | I notice that internet browsing is slower than it should be. Im using lenny. This applies to both epiphany and iceweasel. It take especially long before a certain page is found ("looking up www.domain.com" takes a relatively long time). How to solve this problem? |
| 11:37.04 | brusca | downloading is just fine but looking up pages is the problem |
| 11:37.28 | enouf | it's all bloat |
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| 11:38.24 | enouf | welcome to the 90's Dialup Speed simulations on 15/2mbit cable |
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| 11:39.44 | sylarr | at0m|werk, but would that happen automatically whenever a new client enter his new flash drive? |
| 11:40.16 | nkuttler | plipp: apt-cache policy v4l-dvb ? |
| 11:40.51 | at0m|werk | sylarr: the remote mount would reflect whatever changes on the share (be it over nfs, samba, ssh, ftp..) |
| 11:41.22 | sylarr | at0m|werk, but if there is no usb drive inside is there a share? |
| 11:41.23 | xingu | brusca: if you're using iceweasel, try setting network.dns.disableipv6=true to false in about:config |
| 11:41.36 | xingu | brusca: sorry, set it from false to true. |
| 11:41.43 | at0m|werk | sylarr: then you'd see the empty mount folder.. |
| 11:42.24 | xingu | brusca: then go and shoot whoever runs your dns (as in, /etc/resolv.conf:resolver ... line) |
| 11:42.25 | plipp | nkuttler: v4l-dvb: Installed: 1387dc197077-1 Candidate: 1387dc197077-1 Version table: *** 1387dc197077-1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 11:42.33 | plipp | nkuttler: What does that say? |
| 11:42.38 | xingu | s/resolver/nameserver/ |
| 11:42.42 | nkuttler | !tell plipp about paste |
| 11:42.49 | sylarr | I don't understand , I guess I need to try and see, as long as u say that it would work at0m|werk |
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| 11:43.14 | at0m|werk | sylarr: well whatever is in the shared folder can be shown on the remote mount |
| 11:43.40 | at0m|werk | if it's empty, it'll show empty, if there's a usb mounted in the share, the remote will see the contents |
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| 11:44.07 | plipp | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/30043/ |
| 11:44.08 | sylarr | you mean like in /mnt/placehoderForFlash |
| 11:44.19 | at0m|werk | sylarr: right |
| 11:44.32 | sylarr | and this folder would be shared via nfs? |
| 11:44.41 | sylarr | or smb |
| 11:44.48 | nkuttler | plipp: whatever you're doing there doesn't look like a debian source |
| 11:45.08 | sylarr | and how does debian know to mount flash drives on this folder? |
| 11:45.33 | brusca | xingu: disableipv6 worked like a charm; thanks! |
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| 11:45.58 | at0m|werk | sylarr: in fstab you can mount using LABEL or UUID, to make sure different flash drives are mounted at the same location each time |
| 11:46.18 | at0m|werk | sylarr: to avoid confusing /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, etc |
| 11:46.22 | xingu | brusca: please do proceed with the next part of the advice; the world needs fewer busted caching nameservers. |
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| 11:46.44 | plipp | nkuttler: ok. It's a part of the knoppmyth distribution, then. Thanks a bunch for the help! |
| 11:47.07 | sylarr | at0m|werk, UUID? LABEL? does that work for a never seen before flash drive? |
| 11:48.00 | at0m|werk | sylarr: nope, you'd have to identify them first, or be aware yourself of what is where and share the whole /mnt or /media then |
| 11:48.34 | sylarr | ah |
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| 11:48.53 | xingu | sylarr: hald and your session manager (kde, gnome) work together to automount things in /media - if you're logged in to a desktop environment that is. |
| 11:48.59 | sylarr | I could shave the whole mnt I guess |
| 11:49.10 | xingu | sylarr: and yes they do mount them by fs label by preference |
| 11:49.40 | at0m|werk | bbl, nicotine top-up |
| 11:49.45 | sylarr | fs label ? like fat32? |
| 11:49.59 | xingu | sylarr: there's no reason you couldn't tickle the whole shebang yourself; it all hangs off dbus (so dbus-monitor to snoop what message is sent, then dbus-send to synthesize) |
| 11:50.10 | sylarr | or like insert a lable for you 1.44 disk |
| 11:50.16 | at0m|werk | like fdisk -l /dev/sda1 |
| 11:50.20 | xingu | sylarr: as in volume name |
| 11:50.32 | sylarr | k |
| 11:50.39 | at0m|werk | and set with tune2fs -L thisislabel /dev/sda1 |
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| 11:50.59 | sylarr | well, I can't label clients flash drives |
| 11:51.12 | sylarr | so I'll have to share the whole mnt |
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| 11:51.27 | sylarr | not that I have a problemo with that |
| 11:51.34 | xingu | sylarr: no, but the kernel's partition code autoscans the label during insert and feeds it to udev which populates /dev/disk/by-label/ |
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| 11:52.08 | xingu | sylarr: which is precisely what hald monitors (from memory, via dnotify, but it might be inotify or even just monitoring the udev event itself) |
| 11:53.11 | sylarr | xingu, ok, but I don't see how that can help me, when a new client come with his flash drive and insert the drive to computer#1, and the label is whatever he put there |
| 11:53.52 | xingu | sylarr: at that point hal raises an event; you monitor the event the same way a session manager would and then export it |
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| 11:54.09 | xingu | sylarr: this btw is exactly how you wind up with the icons for such devices appearing/ disappearing on your gnome desktop |
| 11:54.23 | xingu | export the filesystem, rather than the event |
| 11:54.30 | sylarr | xingu, aha |
| 11:55.01 | xingu | or you could as you say just export the whole root (/media) with cross-fs checking disabled (which is usually a good idea on performance grounds regardless) |
| 11:55.30 | sylarr | xingu, is this an easy thing to do, or would I have to decipher some source code for that? |
| 11:56.12 | at0m|werk | sylarr: no source code involved :) |
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| 11:56.42 | sylarr | I meant for " you monitor the event the same way a session manager would and then export it" |
| 11:56.48 | xingu | sylarr: the hald route? it's complicated, but the basic building blocks are dbus-monitor to snoop what's going on and dbus-send; to be robust I suppose you'd need to fork the former, so yes you are into the territory of a perl daemon I guess if you go down that route through completion |
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| 11:57.26 | sylarr | o |
| 11:57.30 | xingu | sylarr: it probably is easier to just export (and remote-mount) the root dir with its stable path name |
| 11:57.43 | xingu | sylarr: what network filesystem are you doing this with? |
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| 11:58.24 | sylarr | xingu, I am not yet doing this, I just got two new computers, and I am about to deploy them |
| 11:58.54 | sylarr | xingu, I am open to suggestion |
| 11:59.23 | sylarr | xingu, I think I would put /home on gfs or ocfs2 and drbd |
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| 12:00.09 | sylarr | didn't get yet if drbd is + the distributed fs or if the distributed fs is instead of drbd |
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| 12:00.25 | dob1 | hi, after the upgrade from etch to lenny postgresql won't start ( in etch i was using a 8.3 version package from backports), every time i start it i get http://pastebin.com/m463e452a , how can i resolve? |
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| 12:00.56 | unow | what release is the current version of debian eee? |
| 12:00.56 | xingu | sylarr: I don't have a whole lot of experience with either; nfs4 on tcp is my favourite for monoculture linux or mixed linux/solaris |
| 12:01.05 | CAiRO_ | how can i get a config file back from a package if a reinstall doesn't reinstall it? |
| 12:01.23 | seria-mau | does someone know a workaround for an intel 865g graphicscard? all drivers version > 2.2 (etch) hang my system on the second day of uptime |
| 12:01.34 | sylarr | xingu, sounds good to me , I will try that for sharing /mnt |
| 12:01.58 | sylarr | (no need to drbd flash drives) |
| 12:01.59 | xingu | sylarr: for hetrogenous I tend to go with samba/cifs and backstop with apache2/webdav due to the availability of client support |
| 12:02.22 | sylarr | I am mono |
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| 12:03.10 | xingu | sylarr: with nfs you'll need no_subtree_check which may already be the default (nfs-utils-1.1.0 and newer) |
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| 12:03.34 | xingu | sylarr: but really subtree_check achieves little in the real world anyway apart from slaughtering performance. |
| 12:03.50 | sylarr | k |
| 12:04.07 | sylarr | I'll check no check is |
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| 12:07.14 | blindy | !search |
| 12:07.14 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
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| 12:10.21 | blindy | how do i find where mod_scgi.so is located? |
| 12:10.23 | peleg | Hello. I am working currently on a server that I am not an admin or a sudoer. Can I somehow run binaries without "installing" them? that is, if I don't have access to aptitude - can I download irssi (for example), make it executable, and just run it? |
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| 12:11.38 | peleg | or, can I run it as a "portable application", from a usb-drive? |
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| 12:16.34 | nazkul3248 | hi all |
| 12:16.40 | nazkul3248 | I have a problem |
| 12:16.53 | nazkul3248 | I installed win after linux and now grub is corrupted |
| 12:16.59 | nazkul3248 | I got error 15 |
| 12:17.18 | Geek`N`Proud | nazkul3248: use grub-install |
| 12:17.31 | Geek`N`Proud | that should fix it |
| 12:17.32 | nazkul3248 | and if do: find /boot/grub/menu.lst I don't found nothing |
| 12:17.35 | nazkul3248 | uhm |
| 12:17.46 | nazkul3248 | it doesn't work with grub-install |
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| 12:18.33 | Geek`N`Proud | hmm |
| 12:18.44 | Geek`N`Proud | run grub then do the setup hd0 way |
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| 12:19.04 | Geek`N`Proud | err setup (hd0) |
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| 12:19.21 | blindy | how do i find where mod_scgi.so is located? |
| 12:19.38 | abrotman | !tell blindy about search |
| 12:19.40 | nazkul3248 | uhm ok now i tryu |
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| 12:20.00 | osfd_ | Do you know where I can talk about Open source fonts please ..? |
| 12:20.09 | abrotman | !tell blindy about find |
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| 12:20.18 | nazkul3248 | I have written setup (hd0) |
| 12:20.18 | abrotman | !tell blindy about using find |
| 12:20.20 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 12:20.20 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 12:20.26 | nazkul3248 | I got: error 12 invalid device requested |
| 12:20.28 | abrotman | liable: morning |
| 12:20.36 | liable | abrotman: hi |
| 12:22.50 | nazkul3248 | no one? |
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| 12:24.32 | peleg | any ideas how to use irssi without installing it with aptitude? running it from a binary file, or from a usb-drive? |
| 12:24.49 | abrotman | make a static build |
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| 12:25.27 | liable | isnt it just a perl thing? |
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| 12:26.28 | peleg | abra: what do you mean by that? download the source, and ..? |
| 12:26.36 | peleg | abrotman: ^^^ |
| 12:26.50 | abra | peleg, me? |
| 12:27.00 | abrotman | liable: not here |
| 12:27.03 | abra | gg =) |
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| 12:27.09 | abrotman | peleg: isn't that what you wanted ? |
| 12:27.09 | nazkul3248 | no one? |
| 12:27.23 | nach_ | hi ! is there a way to find a particular filename in a source package ? with apt ? |
| 12:27.30 | dob1 | after the upgrade to lenny, now when i start postgresql i get this http://pastebin.com/m463e452a , how can i resolve? |
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| 12:27.55 | peleg | abrotman: yes, but I don't really know how to "build". And: don't I need admin privileges to build? |
| 12:28.05 | valdyn | dob1: its all written in what you pasted |
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| 12:28.15 | abrotman | peleg: why not just ask the admin to install it ? |
| 12:28.30 | peleg | abrotman: it might take a lot of time. it's a university server... |
| 12:28.34 | liable | abrotman: not here? |
| 12:28.43 | digitaloktay | ho abrotman |
| 12:28.47 | abrotman | peleg: i doubt your uni admin is going to install an IRC client |
| 12:28.50 | digitaloktay | hi* :D all |
| 12:28.56 | abrotman | liable: cat `which irssi` ? |
| 12:29.07 | dob1 | valdyn: i read it but i don't know which values to use, and why before i didn't have this problem |
| 12:29.10 | liable | i still dont get it |
| 12:29.10 | peleg | abrotman: well, there are many irc servers already installed - I am using one at the moment :) |
| 12:29.21 | abrotman | servers or clients? |
| 12:29.30 | peleg | abrotman: oops, clients |
| 12:29.31 | valdyn | dob1: just try it |
| 12:29.37 | valdyn | dob1: we cant do better than that |
| 12:30.02 | nazkul3248 | DAMN IT! |
| 12:30.20 | peleg | I am using KSirc right now. quite ugly... |
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| 12:30.32 | abrotman | peleg: you don't need root to build an application, just to install it system wide .. but you'll probably need some other libraries .. just grab the irssi source and ask #irssi if you have any problems ? |
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| 12:30.57 | unow | second that. #irssi is a great channel |
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| 12:31.59 | peleg | abrotman: ok, good idea. thanks. |
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| 12:34.29 | valdyn | dob1: compare /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax with what you postgresql tried according to the error message |
| 12:35.35 | dikdust | ascolta: Matthias Ettrich - Amarok 1.4 Welcome [Album: - - ] (x«amarok) |
| 12:35.47 | abrotman | dikdust: turn it off |
| 12:35.56 | dob1 | valdyn: it's ok but i don't know what that values means, i don't want to change them to a wrong value and then other applications doesn't work |
| 12:35.56 | dikdust | damn sorry :| |
| 12:36.14 | valdyn | dob1: so change the setting in postgresql |
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| 12:37.46 | droutta | hi |
| 12:38.09 | droutta | i like the debian system and i search a distro with newer software |
| 12:38.17 | droutta | should i go with testing or sid? |
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| 12:40.08 | abrotman | you should not use isd |
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| 12:42.52 | osfd_ | Hi, is there anyone in here having a debian "kde3.5 & xfce" installed ? |
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| 12:45.43 | droutta | abrotman: is testing better? |
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| 12:46.12 | abrotman | droutta: you should really stick with lenny for a bit to become familiar with Debian and how it works |
| 12:46.56 | droutta | i used for some monthes debian and ubuntu |
| 12:47.13 | abrotman | i'm just teling you not to use sid/unstable .. |
| 12:47.18 | droutta | it's just i do not like bthe "big upgrades" every 6 monthes or 2 years |
| 12:47.37 | liable | its fun |
| 12:47.46 | abrotman | you support him |
| 12:48.21 | liable | uh, the 2 year update is a stable upgrade. we all support that.. |
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| 12:48.34 | abrotman | i thought you meant 'unstable is fun' |
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| 12:48.46 | liable | you thought wrong |
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| 12:49.12 | droutta | i do not want to upgrade the whole system just to have new gimp or openoffice versions |
| 12:49.23 | droutta | so i looked for a rolling release system |
| 12:49.24 | abrotman | why do you need them at all? |
| 12:49.51 | droutta | openoffice 3 is faster :) |
| 12:50.01 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 12:50.01 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 12:50.43 | droutta | omg, how old are you.... |
| 12:50.54 | abrotman | older than you i'm sure |
| 12:51.25 | asg | abrotman: did you color your beard with Just for Men before the elk toss? |
| 12:51.41 | abrotman | asg: :( |
| 12:52.19 | liable | arr |
| 12:52.40 | abrotman | droutta: look ... you asked us, we told you .. if you're not going to heed our advice, why bother asking? just do whatever you want and deal with the consequences later |
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| 12:53.19 | myeggo | how can i delete all files from a certain directory with subdirectories? rm --help says that -r or -R will delete all directories containing that match |
| 12:53.23 | myeggo | but i only want delete files |
| 12:53.31 | unow | rm -rf |
| 12:53.38 | valdyn | myeggo: find -t file |
| 12:53.41 | unow | disregard that! |
| 12:53.45 | droutta | it's just....maybe you should accept if someone needs/wants/whatever a new software version. |
| 12:53.45 | myeggo | that is not funny, unop |
| 12:53.48 | myeggo | unow, i mean |
| 12:54.08 | myeggo | find: unknown predicate `-t' |
| 12:54.11 | unow | Im sorry ;) |
| 12:54.33 | valdyn | myeggo: find -type file -exec rm '{}' ';' ( now dont just run this without testing ) |
| 12:54.39 | abrotman | speed is not a requirement for 'need' |
| 12:55.39 | myeggo | find -delete would work? |
| 12:55.45 | droutta | ah, and why not? |
| 12:55.45 | myeggo | i go test that, thanks valdyn |
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| 12:55.56 | myeggo | because it does not says how -delete works |
| 12:56.01 | myeggo | if deletes directories too or not |
| 12:56.04 | myeggo | i will test it |
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| 12:58.52 | valdyn | im sure even oo2 can display characters faster than you can type |
| 12:59.06 | dangermouse | Hey, what do I need to add to sources.list to use the sarge repositories? "deb archive.debian.org .."? What do I put after the URL? |
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| 12:59.18 | valdyn | dangermouse: dont do it |
| 12:59.44 | dangermouse | valdyn: I know I should use a newer version etc etc but I want to use 2.4/older gcc versions |
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| 12:59.52 | nach_ | hi ! is there a way to find a particular filename in a source package ? with apt ? |
| 13:00.03 | valdyn | nach_: no |
| 13:00.03 | abrotman | dangermouse: the readme at archive.d.o tells you how to do it |
| 13:00.30 | jamon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:00.40 | abrotman | jamon: but doesn't do source packages |
| 13:00.50 | dangermouse | abrotman: Ahh thanks! |
| 13:01.04 | jamon | ah |
| 13:01.23 | abrotman | if he uses apt-file .. he might hit the -dev package .. but not always |
| 13:02.06 | nach_ | for exemple I want to locate the pcm_bluetooth.c file |
| 13:02.29 | nach_ | i know it's in blues (by google it) but apt-file did not give any clue |
| 13:02.34 | abrotman | !find pcm_bluetooth lenny |
| 13:03.09 | abrotman | $ apt-file search pcm_bluetooth |
| 13:03.09 | abrotman | bluez-audio: /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so |
| 13:03.14 | valdyn | nach_: whats the point of your query? |
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| 13:03.28 | jamon | nach_: well if you know the package name, dpkg -c foo.deb |grep bar will work where foo.deb is the source deb |
| 13:03.33 | nach_ | I have an error on that file, so I wanted to see that code |
| 13:03.48 | valdyn | nach_: you have an error in a specific binary |
| 13:03.57 | nach_ | yep |
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| 13:04.14 | valdyn | nach_: search for the binaries package with apt-file, grab the source with apt-get source <binary package> |
| 13:04.34 | nach_ | jamon: ok, i see , but the point was to know if there was a more generic search tools |
| 13:04.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pcm_bluetooth' (1): (/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so) in admin/bluez-audio. |
| 13:04.39 | valdyn | nach_: or actually you would probably search for the binaries package with dpkg -S <filename> |
| 13:06.16 | nach_ | yes i knew the dpkg -S |
| 13:07.33 | nach_ | thanks for the help |
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| 13:07.55 | nach_ | is there any comand line tools that does the same job as package debian search ? |
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| 13:08.28 | nach_ | oups... sorry i'd rather test dpkg -S before asking this ! |
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| 13:26.00 | dangermouse | ok I added: archive.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free, did aptitude update, but it can find openssh-server ? |
| 13:26.52 | prxtien | is there something i am doing wrong date +%b%e is the command i am using, i was thinking the date would be padded with an extra space because its a single figure date, but its only got a single space |
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| 13:29.34 | reddaygr | i have a problem with file associations ... can anyone help me ? :( |
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| 13:31.10 | themill | dangermouse: istr it was just called "ssh" in sarge. |
| 13:31.15 | TeXnicer | reddaygr: alot of people can help when asked meta-questions. Your answer now would be: no. But sure a lot of people know how to help |
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| 13:31.26 | hampusw | When I boot (running sid) I get warnings about the files in /etc/modprobe.d/ saying that they should end in .conf and will be ignored in the future unless they do. Do I need to fix this myself? Is it just a matter of renaming them? |
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| 13:32.29 | dangermouse | themill: ah ok |
| 13:32.52 | dangermouse | thanks |
| 13:32.52 | valdyn | hampusw: leave it alone |
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| 13:33.11 | themill | prxtien: it is space padded -- it gives "Mar 8" today and will give "Mar10" in a couple of days time. If you *also* want a space between month and day, you'll need to put one in your format. |
| 13:33.22 | dangermouse | Can get on with my buffer overflow coursework now \o/ |
| 13:34.00 | hampusw | valdyn: ok |
| 13:34.23 | prxtien | themill, basically i am trying to match against system logs for specific days, so i need that double space for Mar 8 example |
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| 13:35.37 | themill | prxtien: right, so you need to include a space in your format; date isn't going to add in a space between month and date unless you ask it to. the format is "%b %e" not "%b%e". |
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| 13:36.25 | fr33k | disk |
| 13:36.43 | fr33k | sorry .. ;) |
| 13:37.16 | prxtien | oh i see, date +"%b %e" works, and when it goes to 10th day what happens |
| 13:37.21 | prxtien | will it be Mar 10 or Mar 10 |
| 13:37.25 | kamp2tux | I cannot install the add-ons for iceweasel, why ? |
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| 13:40.02 | themill | prxtien: why would it insert three spaces for Mar 10? You've got one in the format and up to one as padding from the %e. BTW try out the -d option for date: date -d"+2 days" +"%b %e" |
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| 13:42.43 | prxtien | i dunno man, i dunno how the date function works, that works perfectly though, thanks bruh |
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| 13:46.56 | brusca_ | fresh install of lenny and sound is not configured correctly. hardware ASUSp5k mobo with onboard sound. Any hints or reference on how to get my sound working properly? |
| 13:47.24 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 13:47.24 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
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| 13:49.27 | brusca_ | ty! |
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| 13:52.14 | \7_2 | hey guys |
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| 13:52.20 | phiwer | hmm anyone else running unstable + gnome? |
| 13:52.43 | phiwer | the last update caused some packages to break.. anyone else noticed this? |
| 13:52.54 | abrotman | like gedit ? |
| 13:53.16 | \7_2 | I just installed the latest stable version of Debian, X, Gnome and Compiz. How can I enable Compiz now? My graphiccard is ATI X1900XT and I installed atis proprietary driver flgrx from their web site. |
| 13:53.39 | phiwer | gnome-media, gnome-terminal, libgnome-media0, libmetacity-private0 libmetacity0 |
| 13:53.40 | \7_2 | I tried compiz --replace but the screen just turns white. I can see the 3D cube working but everything's white |
| 13:53.41 | phiwer | those packages |
| 13:53.53 | themill | prxtien: sounds like it's time to look at "man date", then. And do some experimentation... |
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| 13:55.27 | SuperRR | I'm trying to get rid of bacula on a server I'm upgrading to lenny - but I'm getting unmet dependency problems while trying to remove it |
| 13:55.50 | wedge | what dependancy problem? |
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| 13:55.56 | wedge | try installing the hting it complains on |
| 13:55.59 | wedge | then uninstall |
| 13:56.11 | SuperRR | ok |
| 13:56.14 | wedge | or you could just dpkg --purge but that may be a bit harsh.. |
| 13:56.44 | SuperRR | error processing bacula-common (--configure): |
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| 13:57.04 | SuperRR | dpkg --purge bacula-common? |
| 13:57.04 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up bacula-common all over superrr and flokuehn... |
| 13:57.17 | dvs | heh |
| 13:57.27 | themill | SuperRR: you'll need to pastebin the entire output and the command that generated it |
| 13:57.37 | SuperRR | allrighty |
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| 13:58.43 | SuperRR | http://pastebin.com/m4358f480 |
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| 14:00.28 | phiwer | does anyone have any suggestions regarding broken packages and depency problems? |
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| 14:00.34 | phiwer | tried with the -f flag, but did not work |
| 14:00.36 | SuperRR | :)) you can have some of mine |
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| 14:01.47 | SuperRR | so themill - any suggestions? |
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| 14:04.15 | zhangweiwu | Hello. Is there a software on debian that I can use to check & find all dead links on a website? |
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| 14:04.46 | stew | phiwer: /msg dpkg bat |
| 14:04.55 | zhangweiwu | I thought I could use wget as it can do recursive download, only need it to report the dead links when it come across them. |
| 14:05.05 | stew | phiwer: but it would not be suprising for gnome to start breaking in unstable as the 2.24 transition should be going on |
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| 14:06.53 | themill | SuperRR: can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy bacula-sd bacula-common |
| 14:07.26 | phiwer | stew, ok thanks |
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| 14:07.34 | eptalon | heyas |
| 14:08.06 | SuperRR | themill: http://pastebin.com/m29feba66 |
| 14:08.18 | eptalon | how do I get debian to assign the same priority to all swap partitions? |
| 14:08.24 | \7_2 | c |
| 14:08.24 | \7_2 | sdf |
| 14:08.24 | \7_2 | da |
| 14:08.25 | \7_2 | g |
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| 14:09.00 | eptalon | I assigned pri 0 in fstab to all of them, they turn out with pri -1 to -4 |
| 14:09.04 | SuperRR | zhangweiwu: there is plenty of linkchecker software avaiable |
| 14:09.17 | themill | SuperRR: so you currently have an interesting mix of etch and lenny... |
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| 14:09.24 | SuperRR | ;) trying to upgrade |
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| 14:09.54 | SuperRR | should I go back to etch, uninstall bacula and try again? |
| 14:10.18 | themill | SuperRR: what step in the upgrade procedure are you actually up to? |
| 14:10.26 | zhangweiwu | SuperRR: thanks. I found wget --spider -r very useful. |
| 14:10.32 | themill | (you are reading the release notes, aren't you) |
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| 14:10.41 | SuperRR | ahem |
| 14:10.48 | themill | zhangweiwu: klinkstatus is pretty good. there's also some (freeware) program that I used to use called Xenu LinkSleuth that runs under wine quite well. |
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| 14:10.51 | SuperRR | BLUSH |
| 14:10.58 | themill | dpkg: tell SuperRR about etch->lenny |
| 14:11.00 | zhangweiwu | SuperRR: and thanks for telling me the keyword "linkchecker" otherwise I wouldn't know how to search for it. |
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| 14:12.11 | SuperRR | etch->lenny |
| 14:13.07 | themill | SuperRR: I'd suggest using aptitude full-upgrade to see if you can get aptitude to sort it out for you as its resolver is often better than apt-get's. |
| 14:13.42 | usn | Hi, got a problem with my dmraid. It's an existing RAID1 set, created with kernel 2.6.8, now the box runs 2.6.18. dmraid -ay does not show any error, but the block device does not show up in /dev/mapper or elsewhere. There's an error in dmesg: |
| 14:13.54 | usn | Mar 8 14:53:33 router kernel: device-mapper: table: 254:0: mirror: Wrong number of mirror arguments |
| 14:13.54 | usn | Mar 8 14:53:33 router kernel: device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table |
| 14:13.56 | SuperRR | full-upgrade? |
| 14:14.03 | SuperRR | dist-upgrade? |
| 14:14.46 | eptalon | usn: and /proc/mdstat is empty? |
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| 14:15.18 | usn | it does not exist, I don't have any md devices configured |
| 14:15.32 | usn | it's device mapper fakeraid |
| 14:15.36 | eptalon | usn: I have a software raid1/raid5 setup that "loses disks" from time to time. |
| 14:15.47 | SuperRR | getting optimistic, aptitude is quite a bit smarter |
| 14:16.50 | SuperRR | yeeehaa! thanks themill |
| 14:16.52 | eptalon | usn: mdadm --auto-detect? |
| 14:16.58 | usn | it's no md device |
| 14:17.07 | themill | dpkg: tell SuperRR about full-upgrade |
| 14:17.11 | usn | it's device mapper fakeraid |
| 14:17.25 | eptalon | usn: so no mdadm. |
| 14:17.33 | usn | as I told you :) |
| 14:17.35 | themill | SuperRR: full-upgrade because if that worked then you already had lenny's aptitude which would help you along a great deal :) |
| 14:17.42 | eptalon | usn: I have no experience with tohse. I use mdadm. |
| 14:17.51 | usn | IC |
| 14:18.31 | eptalon | usn: but as a RAID1, the single disk should still work ("degraded"?) |
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| 14:21.20 | usn | I can't create the raid device at all |
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| 14:23.13 | eptalon | usn: what I was trying to say: raid1 is two disks mirrored; even if the raid fails, you have the single disk(partition) that has the data. |
| 14:23.37 | eptalon | usn: In a raid5, you cant do much with a single disk(partition) |
| 14:24.18 | usn | I know what RAID is. :) Bt as a first step to access it, I need a block device in /dev |
| 14:24.28 | usn | and exactly that's my problem |
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| 14:26.52 | eptalon | usn: you sure its not a cable problem? (ie. disk sometimes works at other times doesn't? |
| 14:27.12 | usn | yes, I have access to the block device |
| 14:29.02 | SuperRR | I'm getting the SSL-certificate message while upgrading; does this just concern my SSL certificates, or also other keys I have and use on the system? |
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| 14:33.57 | dreamer | hmmm, I'm trying to do a debootstrap, but I'm getting "E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages" |
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| 14:35.47 | sepski | dreamer, you must tell us what command you wrote |
| 14:35.49 | themill | dreamer: looks like you need to specify an architecture |
| 14:36.01 | dreamer | oh sorry, debootstrap lenny ./lenny-chroot http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 14:36.29 | dreamer | themill: hm, ok |
| 14:36.29 | sepski | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.37 | sepski | eg i386 or amd64 |
| 14:36.45 | themill | dreamer: btw please use a mirror that is closer to you. /msg dpkg mirrors ; /msg dpkg ftp.debian.org |
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| 14:37.23 | dreamer | themill: yes actually I wanted to use http://ftp.nl.debian.org |
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| 14:37.34 | themill | dreamer: yes, that will be better for you |
| 14:37.35 | boodie | Hi: a tip on regexps: I have a looong law with countless articles, such as "Art. 48. Worker's territorial representation 1. The territorial worker's representative for health & safety, blah blah blah ..." I would like to grep out the phrase between the beginning of the line (^) and the first '1.' encountered ... can anybody suggest? |
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| 14:37.54 | dreamer | themill: though ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/ is closer to me I think ;) |
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| 14:38.17 | BlastuR | hey! how can I configure my debian system to send emails through a smtp relay of my choice? |
| 14:38.32 | themill | boodie: as in you want to get just that bit or you want to remove that bit from the text? |
| 14:38.39 | BlastuR | (and what tools should I use to send the emails .. from a console app) |
| 14:38.40 | SuperRR | How can I verify that my etch->lenny upgrade is successful? |
| 14:38.53 | dreamer | sepski: thnx |
| 14:38.54 | themill | SuperRR: /msg dpkg obsolete ; /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 14:39.06 | obcecado | SuperRR: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:40.17 | ThoMe | hello |
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| 14:40.41 | ThoMe | I would like change the owner with setfacl (not with chown) |
| 14:40.43 | ThoMe | is this posible? |
| 14:40.44 | boodie | themill: I want grep to find that bit and then possibly redirect it to a file (which is easy) |
| 14:41.07 | themill | boodie: look at the -o option to grep then. |
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| 14:41.37 | ThoMe | Ideas? |
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| 14:42.09 | SuperRR | themill: Thanx! Lenny running after a remote reboot :D Lovely! |
| 14:42.17 | themill | SuperRR: :) |
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| 14:46.04 | SuperRR | is amazed how so many files can be updated, changed, removed, reshuffled and linked without anything getting broken on a server severel hundreds of kilometers away |
| 14:46.18 | dreamer | ok, I want to install phpbb3, but I don't want to use apache or mysql (rather have lighttpd and SQLite), how can I do this? |
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| 14:48.16 | themill | dreamer: install them first (or on the same command line as you install phpbb) |
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| 14:48.53 | dreamer | themill: it's just that apache and mysql are dependencies of phpbb3 |
| 14:48.59 | dreamer | I don't want to install them |
| 14:49.12 | themill | dreamer: they are dependencies amongst many options |
| 14:49.18 | themill | judd depends phpbb3 |
| 14:49.18 | judd | themill: phpbb3 -- Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 | libapache-mod-php5 | php5-cgi | php5 | libapache2-mod-php4 | libapache-mod-php4 | php4-cgi | php4, php5-mysql | php5-pgsql | php5-odbc | php5-sybase | php4-mysql | php4-pgsql | php4-odbc | php4-sybase, apache2 | httpd, debconf | debconf-2.0, dbconfig-common, mysql-client | postgresql-client | sqlite |
| 14:49.26 | dreamer | hmm |
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| 14:49.41 | themill | dreamer: ^^ see how it's "apache2 | httpd" |
| 14:49.47 | dreamer | yes |
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| 14:50.07 | orgthingy | hello, firefox says "backend /usr/lib/cups/backed/hp does not exist!" even though ive used deskjet_f300 printer many many times |
| 14:50.13 | orgthingy | i dont know where this error came from |
| 14:50.20 | dreamer | ah, every | means it can use one or the other whether I specify the other or not |
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| 14:50.28 | eptalon | how do I get my system to use swap partitions equally? (without creating a RAID0)? |
| 14:51.12 | dreamer | themill: hmm, I can't run it on lighttpd apperantly .. it still wants apache |
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| 14:51.34 | dreamer | and it still installs mysql-client, I'm sorry, I don't get this |
| 14:51.58 | themill | dreamer: have you installed lighttpd and sqlite? |
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| 14:52.42 | dreamer | I need to install them first before installing phpbb3 then? |
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| 14:54.32 | dreamer | hmm, I installed them now .. and it still depends on apache and mysql |
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| 14:57.02 | themill | probably need to install php5-cgi too |
| 14:57.17 | dreamer | hmm |
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| 14:57.45 | themill | since the default php dependency is for libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:57.54 | dreamer | ok, yes I see it |
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| 14:58.32 | themill | aptitude -W install <packages> is always a good way of working out why things are being dragged in. |
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| 14:59.03 | dreamer | thnx, hmm, apache is gone now .. but it still wants mysql-common -_- |
| 14:59.17 | dreamer | probably because of php5-mysql? |
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| 14:59.59 | themill | probably. php5 will try dragging in mysql stuff by default. That's not all of mysql, however. You may wish to turn off "recommends" for this with -R. |
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| 15:00.39 | dreamer | it's not in the suggested of reccomended packages though, or is this not the same? |
| 15:00.56 | themill | -W ... |
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| 15:01.11 | eptalon | dreamer: no, suggested, and recommended is not the same. |
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| 15:02.46 | dreamer | mysql-common{a} (for phpbb3) << what does {a} say? and why does it depend on this? |
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| 15:03.04 | sylarr | hello |
| 15:03.13 | sylarr | anyone have voip? |
| 15:03.31 | sylarr | can anyone recommend a voip solution? |
| 15:03.31 | eptalon | sylarr: can you be more precise? |
| 15:04.03 | sylarr | I want to have voip, on debian as a server, and to pass calls to other computers in the business |
| 15:04.07 | kamp2tux | iceweasel cannot display chinese (non-english) based website, please advise. TQ |
| 15:04.17 | eptalon | sylarr: there is the ubiquitous skype, and there are various free alternatives; all require an account at an voip porvider.. |
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| 15:04.26 | sylarr | and I want only calls passing (no files transfer) |
| 15:04.38 | eptalon | kamp2tux: might be missing the fonts? |
| 15:04.55 | dreamer | eptalon: you don't need an account for voip iirc |
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| 15:05.10 | eptalon | sylarr: I dont use voip yet; there is "asterisk" as a fully integrazed solution.. |
| 15:05.36 | themill | dreamer: "aptitude why package1 package2" can help in this situation. But the reason is the dependency of phpbb3 on php5-mysql | php5-pgsql | php5-odbc | php5-sybase |
| 15:05.41 | sylarr | is asterisk available on debian ? searchin |
| 15:05.45 | kamp2tux | eptalon: what should i do ? please advise. I am newbie from Ubuntu. TQ |
| 15:06.09 | dreamer | themill: hmm, sucks, I don't want mysql for this installation .. and phpbb3 shouldn't need it for anything since it can work with sqlite |
| 15:06.24 | eptalon | kamp2tux: what was your prob again? |
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| 15:07.34 | themill | dreamer: sqlite is, I believe built in to php already, although sqlite in php is a bit of a dog's breakfast. Note mysql-common is not all of mysql at all -- it doesn't include the server just config files. |
| 15:07.37 | sylarr | how does asterisk works, is there an asterisk client for windows / OSX? |
| 15:07.43 | kamp2tux | eptalon: Iceweasel cannot display non-english (chinese) words - in chinese website |
| 15:07.52 | dreamer | themill: hmmm, ok |
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| 15:08.29 | dreamer | I'm still hesitant though :P |
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| 15:09.26 | adb | sylarr: apt-cache search asterisk |
| 15:09.49 | sylarr | adb found , and client ekiga |
| 15:09.57 | sylarr | read wiki |
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| 15:12.07 | themill | dreamer: apt-cache show mysql-common ; look at the description and the installed-size. Look at the files included from apt-file show mysql-common or on packages.debian.org |
| 15:13.01 | itewsh | àtout àl'heure |
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| 15:13.11 | fourlastor | hi all |
| 15:13.41 | fourlastor | i've a strange problem, gparted is not able to see partition table of my hd,it's normal? |
| 15:13.55 | fourlastor | http://www.mibbit.com/up/RrKzNano.png this is a screen |
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| 15:14.16 | eptalon | I missed something? |
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| 15:16.52 | kamp2tux | how do i enable Iceweasel to display chinese characters correctly, whenever i visit chinese website ? |
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| 15:22.16 | bolt | is there a help channel for e-uae somewhere? my interface has no graphics or display tab, so i'm unable to set the resolution and it always runs in a small window |
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| 15:27.03 | sampaio | hi folks :D I need help a accidently delete 50.udev.conf... how can i make to reeinstall it? |
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| 15:27.47 | bolt | sampaio: apt-get install --reinstall udev, i'd guess |
| 15:27.52 | stew | sampaio: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:28.08 | stew | --reinstall won't reinstall conffiles by default |
| 15:28.20 | bolt | ah |
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| 15:28.38 | sampaio | yeahh i tried before with reinstall |
| 15:29.39 | sampaio | it worked with that "strange " command :P |
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| 15:30.00 | sampaio | one more question can I install a package without it enter on database of installed programs? |
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| 15:33.01 | valdyn | sylarr: theres alot of sip clients |
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| 15:33.38 | abrotman | sampaio: you can, but why would you? |
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| 15:41.55 | sampaio | abrotman, I have a package installed witch all demends are no required... but it don't give any linkage problem with an more old lib |
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| 15:42.14 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 15:42.33 | TooGz | Salut tout le monde les gens |
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| 15:42.43 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:42.43 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:42.54 | abrotman | sampaio: why would you use an older library? |
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| 15:43.41 | sampaio | because I can't find in any repositorie the dependence |
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| 15:43.50 | abrotman | sampaio: what are you installing? |
| 15:44.09 | sampaio | fuppes-metadata-plugin-libmp4v2: Depende: libmp4v2-0 (>= 1:1.6dfsg) mas 1:1.6-0.9 |
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| 15:44.44 | sampaio | as u see the diference between objects are not great :P |
| 15:44.57 | abrotman | sampaio: no idea where you got that pacakge, but it'snot in debian |
| 15:45.09 | abrotman | neither package is |
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| 15:45.22 | sampaio | no... that's why I don't want on my rep :P |
| 15:45.34 | abrotman | where did you get it from ? |
| 15:45.39 | sampaio | installed softwared list |
| 15:45.48 | sampaio | from fuppes forum |
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| 15:48.35 | Tolly | hey guys how do i force start debian server? |
| 15:49.00 | petemc | do what? |
| 15:49.04 | stew | Tolly: what do you mean? |
| 15:49.16 | Tolly | need to restart the server through putty |
| 15:49.25 | sampaio | reboot :P |
| 15:49.28 | Tolly | yes |
| 15:49.32 | abrotman | type 'reboot' |
| 15:49.42 | Tolly | that it/ |
| 15:49.58 | Tolly | just type reboot? |
| 15:50.05 | sampaio | yeah |
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| 15:50.51 | sampaio | BUS="scsi", ATTRS{idVendor}=="13fd", ATTRS{idProduct}=="1040", KERNEL="sd?1", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="disco" what's wrong in this rule... I want this disk to appear as /dev/disco |
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| 15:51.54 | sampaio | Bus 004 Device 078: ID 13fd:1040 Initio Corporation |
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| 15:55.03 | Mark21 | hello, i did notice strange problems on multiple debian systems (some running debian 4.0 and some running debian 5.0). on all systems the same problem exists: when i add an ip with "ifconfig <network card (may be virtual)> add address <ip> netmask <netmask> up" what should be possible i would think. it everytime also add 89.248.170.35 (not the ip on <ip>, it is the nameserver in resolv.conf, it is another server) and the extra ip address works fine, |
| 15:56.58 | valdyn | Mark21: paste the outputs of route and ifconfig on a paste site |
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| 15:58.32 | bolt | bah. sorry |
| 15:59.35 | OpenTokix | ifconbr0 |
| 15:59.46 | OpenTokix | this isnt my terminal! |
| 15:59.53 | grummund | hi, i am having some difficulty with module-assistant building alsa |
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| 16:00.21 | abrotman | grummund: do you have more clues for us? |
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| 16:00.45 | grummund | yes, sorry hit return too quickly... http://pastebin.com/m123300be |
| 16:00.51 | Mark21 | valdyn: http://yourpaste.net/1743/ |
| 16:01.17 | grummund | i'm following the howto here - http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx |
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| 16:02.34 | valdyn | Mark21: i see .35 only on eth:35 |
| 16:03.01 | grummund | looking at the source code i think the error is plausible... however it's not clear what i need to do to fix this via m-a |
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| 16:03.26 | Mark21 | valdyn: and on the other system on eth0:230:0 (the wrong system) |
| 16:03.37 | stabuck33 | hi everybody, does somebody have experiences with webdav, i'looking for a fast way to share (upload and download) files for a lan party... afaik ftp is one of the fastest services, now i heared about webdav but cant find information about how fast it is |
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| 16:03.54 | abrotman | grummund: on lenny? |
| 16:04.00 | grummund | abrotman: yes |
| 16:04.08 | valdyn | Mark21: ethX:Y:Z <- is that legal? |
| 16:04.13 | abrotman | so you did an `m-a a-i alsa` ? |
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| 16:05.02 | Mark21 | valdyn: i did not add it for as far as i can see |
| 16:05.04 | grummund | abrotman: as per that page, i did - m-a -u /tmp build alsa |
| 16:05.22 | Mark21 | but somehow it is added and not working correctly :( |
| 16:05.31 | valdyn | Mark21: eth0:230: |
| 16:05.42 | Mark21 | there is a 0 behind in reality |
| 16:05.44 | abrotman | grummund: so you're following instructions for etch ? |
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| 16:06.10 | valdyn | Mark21: i dont know, you dont need the add keyword in ifconfig, maybe that is doing it |
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| 16:06.39 | abrotman | grummund: what are you trying to achieve ? the alsa in lenny is 1.0.17 AFAIK .. and so is alsa-source |
| 16:07.03 | abrotman | though alsa-utils is 1.0.16 .. not sure how that works |
| 16:07.10 | morsing | Hey, how come lenny installs Perl modules for version 5.10.0 in directories for 5.8.8? |
| 16:07.14 | Mark21 | without the add in it it should work properly? |
| 16:07.17 | grummund | abrotman: snd-cs46xx is not in lenny, i would like to rebuild it from etch |
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| 16:11.43 | adb | qq |
| 16:11.49 | adb | oops |
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| 16:13.12 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 16:13.28 | zagibu | i have set a proper timeserver for ntpdate, after having run ntpdate, my time is still off...any idea why? |
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| 16:13.59 | zagibu | /etc/timezone is also correctly set |
| 16:14.40 | zagibu | and it's not just using utc, im gmt+1 and my time is 6 hours off |
| 16:15.07 | zagibu | it's as if the timezone was still US/Eastern |
| 16:15.59 | Mark21 | zagibu: are the minutes correct (zo only hours wrong)? |
| 16:16.11 | zagibu | yeah |
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| 16:18.14 | zagibu | ah, it worked now, after a reboot...is a reboot really necessary if the timezone was changed? |
| 16:18.32 | Mark21 | probably a timezone, but to be honest i don't know the solution |
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| 16:19.03 | zagibu | yeah, it was the timezone setting...but it only got used after a reboot |
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| 16:19.31 | zagibu | i'm wondering whether it would be possible to make it work without rebooting, for next time |
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| 16:31.42 | niklaslandsberg | Q: Anyone experienced trouble with Debian running on Sun Fire x2200m? |
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| 16:32.56 | niklaslandsberg | The server keeps "dying" for some obscure reason. SSH gets closed down and the lights-out interface stops "responding" |
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| 16:40.26 | jonathanrwallace | my server only uses stable as the repos source. i'd like to install one package from sid. what's the best way to go about installing this package? should i download it separately? |
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| 16:40.40 | abrotman | jonathanrwallace: which package? |
| 16:40.45 | jonathanrwallace | http://packages.debian.org/sid/wordpress |
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| 16:41.14 | abrotman | !tell jonathanrwallace about ssb |
| 16:41.35 | jonathanrwallace | thanks abrotman |
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| 16:52.36 | Elive_user81_en | hi |
| 16:52.45 | hfmls | hi |
| 16:52.55 | hfmls | who helped me like an hour ago? |
| 16:53.01 | hfmls | all went good. elive installed. |
| 16:53.44 | hfmls | acpi off |
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| 17:01.12 | lfaraone | Hi, what's wrong with this sudoers line: "xobuilder ALL=(/usr/local/bin/safe_ext3_umount, /usr/local/bin/safe_ext3_mount) NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 17:04.53 | keith4_ | how do I see the speed of a network interface? |
| 17:05.04 | keith4_ | *link speed |
| 17:05.14 | abrotman | mii-tool or ethtool |
| 17:05.15 | thedonvaughn | keith4_: eth-tool or mii-tool |
| 17:05.22 | thedonvaughn | too slow |
| 17:05.35 | keith4_ | thanks abrotman (and thedonvaughn for the assist) |
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| 17:06.51 | Darkclaw66 | how can I have find return the number of dirs for testing purposes, based off of this statement: find /home/test -type d -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -rfv; |
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| 17:07.42 | abrotman | wc -l ? |
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| 17:07.49 | Darkclaw66 | that should work |
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| 17:12.09 | Darkclaw66 | hey abrotman do you think the syntax is right though? |
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| 17:12.24 | abrotman | Darkclaw66: i have no idea what your objective is |
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| 17:12.38 | Darkclaw66 | deleting dirs over 30 days |
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| 17:13.21 | abrotman | you can use -exec for find instead of xargs |
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| 17:16.49 | zagibu | damn, i did another reboot, and the time is back to yet another timezone: EDT |
| 17:17.04 | zagibu | why is it ignoring my /etc/timezone? |
| 17:17.44 | abrotman | what is UTC set to in /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 17:18.27 | Tigger__ | would anyone know if there is an equivelent command for debian as the rc-update command / script on gentoo ? |
| 17:18.46 | zagibu | to yes...thanks for the hint...i'll see what happens now |
| 17:18.53 | abrotman | Tigger__: update-rc.d ? rcconf? |
| 17:18.54 | \amethyst | zagibu: does date say the time zone is EDT, or does it give an EDT time with your current zone's name? |
| 17:18.59 | bananahands | Hi, I am having trouble configuring my ATI Radeon 4830, I installed the fglrx-kernel-src packages for Lenny, but I cannot get aticonfig to work I an following the instructions posted here http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide anyone know how to set this up? |
| 17:19.00 | zagibu | both |
| 17:19.49 | Tigger__ | abrotman: yes to add or delete services to rc default |
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| 17:20.07 | Darkclaw66 | how can I clean the whitespace from a variable? |
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| 17:20.44 | abrotman | Tigger__: update-rc.d ? rcconf? |
| 17:20.51 | abrotman | Darkclaw66: such as? |
| 17:21.04 | Darkclaw66 | " 0" |
| 17:21.24 | bananahands | I think it may be a problem with getting packages for module-assistant, I think sources.list needs contrib software in it to run the drivers, where is the sources.list located? |
| 17:21.24 | Tigger__ | abrotman: ok, you mean use update-rc-d |
| 17:21.49 | \amethyst | zagibu: what about /etc/localtime? what does md5sum /etc/localtime say? |
| 17:21.57 | abrotman | no .. exactly what i said |
| 17:22.13 | abrotman | bananahands: you type very well for a person with fruity hands ... |
| 17:22.27 | abrotman | bananahands: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:22.28 | sylarr | does sip include file transfers? |
| 17:22.31 | Darkclaw66 | anyone know? |
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| 17:22.53 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: a shell variable? |
| 17:23.14 | Darkclaw66 | yes |
| 17:23.27 | Darkclaw66 | its a shell variable that has whitespaces in it " 0" |
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| 17:23.46 | grummund | "${VAR// /}" |
| 17:23.54 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: read -r foo <<< "$bar" |
| 17:24.03 | Darkclaw66 | tr not good? |
| 17:24.03 | \amethyst | or that |
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| 17:24.22 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: oh, you want to trim all whitespace, not just at the beginning and end? |
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| 17:24.30 | Darkclaw66 | yes |
| 17:24.42 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: something like what grummund said then |
| 17:24.51 | Darkclaw66 | okay |
| 17:24.54 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: foo=${bar//[[:space:]]/} |
| 17:25.00 | Darkclaw66 | that looks nice |
| 17:25.05 | \amethyst | ( [[:space:]] matches all whitespace, not just " ") |
| 17:25.09 | Darkclaw66 | what is bar? |
| 17:25.15 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: the variable you start with |
| 17:25.22 | Darkclaw66 | okay trying it now |
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| 17:25.38 | zagibu | hmmm, it's still EDT time |
| 17:25.42 | foetus | uff |
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| 17:26.12 | Darkclaw66 | ./cleanold.sh: ${count/...}: Bad substitution |
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| 17:26.32 | Darkclaw66 | count=${count//[[:space:]]/} |
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| 17:28.08 | Darkclaw66 | \amethyst is it something im doing wrong |
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| 17:28.22 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: that only works with bash |
| 17:28.25 | Crispy | Hey ... if I'm using a debian package (specifically, a library on which other things depend), and I want to compile my own version of the library (say, with an extra patch), is there a guide somewhere on how I can make a debian package from this that will automatically remove the existing (old) version of the library, and seamlessly install and integrate the new version? |
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| 17:28.57 | Darkclaw66 | yes that works thanks |
| 17:29.09 | grummund | Darkclaw66: if it's always a number you can do "$((count))" |
| 17:29.10 | Tigger__ | abrotman: in gento i would use "rc-update add sshd default" to add sshd to the default runlevel, so was wodering if theres a debian equivelent |
| 17:29.14 | Darkclaw66 | looks great |
| 17:29.20 | abrotman | Tigger__: update-rc.d ? rcconf? |
| 17:29.24 | abrotman | they have man pages .. read them |
| 17:29.27 | Darkclaw66 | grummund it will always be a number |
| 17:29.38 | \amethyst | Tigger__: not really directly |
| 17:29.58 | Darkclaw66 | that works too |
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| 17:30.01 | grummund | Darkclaw66: output of 'wc -l' by any chance? |
| 17:30.11 | Tigger__ | \amethyst: ahh, ok |
| 17:30.14 | \amethyst | Tigger__: update-rc.d requires you to set all the links at the same time; and rcconf isn't command-line |
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| 17:30.32 | Darkclaw66 | the output of wc -l comes out with " 0" |
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| 17:30.44 | Darkclaw66 | but with the removal of whitespaces it comes out just right |
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| 17:31.03 | Tigger__ | \amethyst: i see, i'll work something out :) |
| 17:31.03 | Darkclaw66 | the only thing is, my test is failing if [ $count > 0 ] ; then |
| 17:31.13 | Darkclaw66 | the value is 0 yet it comes out true |
| 17:31.16 | Samuel-NotAFK | My time is 1:02h ahead. How do I correctly set my time? |
| 17:31.22 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: aha, you're creating a file named '0' |
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| 17:31.34 | Darkclaw66 | yikes youre right |
| 17:31.38 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: that's redirection... you'll need if [ $count '>' 0 ] |
| 17:31.55 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: oops |
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| 17:32.02 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: if [ $count -gt 0 ] |
| 17:32.09 | grummund | or... if [ "$count" -gt 0 ] |
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| 17:32.13 | grummund | indeed ;) |
| 17:32.14 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: '>' is string comparison anyway, not numeric |
| 17:32.29 | Darkclaw66 | once again, you are right, thanks |
| 17:32.38 | sphenxes03 | Is it possible to save article in the newsgroups "pan or xpn". I can't saved any article that i read. |
| 17:32.54 | grummund | or even... if [ $((count)) -gt 0 ] |
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| 17:34.04 | Samuel-NotAFK | How do I correctly set my time? |
| 17:34.40 | themill | Samuel-NotAFK: beardy already told you |
| 17:35.47 | Samuel-NotAFK | themill: Yeah but beardy is a dick. |
| 17:35.49 | Samuel-NotAFK | bye |
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| 17:36.36 | zagibu | ok, i am officially perplexed now...my hardware clock shows the wrong time, my system clock shows the wrong time, but /etc/timezone is correct and /etc/default/rcS has UTC=no...WTF? |
| 17:37.00 | nsadmin | zagibu: do you dual-boot windows on that machine? |
| 17:37.12 | zagibu | no, it's a virtual server |
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| 17:37.36 | nsadmin | why not set UTC=yes and install ntp-simple |
| 17:37.41 | smacnay | Can one remove unnecessary locales? They take up a lot of space and I really only (think) I need the en and fr. |
| 17:38.21 | zagibu | E: Package ntp-simple has no installation candidate |
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| 17:39.02 | nsadmin | zagibu: what dist are you running and what version |
| 17:39.37 | zagibu | debian 5.0 |
| 17:39.39 | themill | judd versions ntp-simple |
| 17:39.40 | judd | themill: ntp-simple -- etch: 1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2 etch-security: 1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2etch1 |
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| 17:39.54 | nsadmin | so nothing in lenny |
| 17:40.04 | nsadmin | try apt-get install ntp |
| 17:40.05 | zagibu | i do have ntp installed, though |
| 17:40.17 | nsadmin | ok, and ntpdate? |
| 17:40.19 | zagibu | and configured to use a timeserver of my timezone |
| 17:40.23 | zagibu | ntpdate, too |
| 17:40.33 | beardy | Is he? |
| 17:41.01 | nsadmin | ok, stop ntp, get the server name you picked handy... |
| 17:41.10 | nsadmin | and run ntpdate (that server) |
| 17:41.14 | nsadmin | time changes? |
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| 17:42.10 | chomwitt | hi. is seahorse and gnome-keyring exclusive in a system , or there could be both (like it seems happening in my debian lenny) |
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| 17:42.23 | ukmnh | smacnay: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:42.29 | zagibu | wait a sec, i've replaced the debian ntp servers with ones from my timezone (although it shouldn't matter, as I understand) |
| 17:42.51 | abrotman | chomwitt: i have both .. not sure if they work together |
| 17:43.04 | nsadmin | correct, use one of those from your tz |
| 17:44.03 | nsadmin | actually you're correct, any should work |
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| 17:45.09 | zagibu | hmmm, |
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| 17:45.28 | zagibu | ntpdate says no server could be used, but i do have one set in /etc/ntp.conf |
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| 17:45.47 | chomwitt | abrotman: in htop i see both deamons running. isnt this little sloppy? i guess seahorse is supposed to replage gnome-keyring but the letter was left there. |
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| 17:46.07 | abrotman | chomwitt: AFAIK .. they do different things |
| 17:47.12 | chomwitt | abrotman: in wikipedia article for gnome-keyring it says that is deprecated from seahorse |
| 17:47.23 | zagibu | ok, using ntpdate tells me that the ntp socket is used, probably because of ntpd |
| 17:47.32 | abrotman | chomwitt: from? |
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| 17:47.58 | zagibu | i've killed ntpd and done an ntpdate, yet my time is still off |
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| 17:48.19 | chomwitt | abrotman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Keyring |
| 17:48.26 | DarkSmoke | hey guys |
| 17:48.37 | abrotman | chomwitt: are you using lenny? |
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| 17:48.45 | chomwitt | abrotman: yes |
| 17:48.56 | abrotman | chomwitt: so which version of GNOME are you using? |
| 17:49.17 | chomwitt | abrotman: 2.22.3 |
| 17:49.20 | abrotman | chomwitt: and some people probably still use -keyring .. |
| 17:49.34 | abrotman | anyways .. use seahorse going forward i guess |
| 17:49.41 | DarkSmoke | im currently using kubuntu but im not seeing it right this days, like installing firefox installs synaptics and other useless dependencies that are not needed especialy for kde users, now i tried alot of distros but never gave a try to debian, how good does it support kde? and is there those dep probs too on debian ? i wish to give it a try |
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| 17:51.26 | nsadmin | so starting ntpd again and looking at the log shows it's synced? |
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| 17:52.04 | zagibu | it has to do with the timezone...i've now done a dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, and it is now displaying correctly |
| 17:52.09 | betrayed | DarkSmoke: if you get answers you are going to get conflicting answers as if the people are in this channel they probably rpefer debian, download virtualbox, install lenny in a test environment and if you like it install it on the main drive |
| 17:52.13 | zagibu | let's see what happens after a reboot |
| 17:52.26 | cumulus007 | I want to build a deb package from a program's source code |
| 17:52.33 | cumulus007 | the compiler is CMake |
| 17:52.36 | cumulus007 | how can I do this? |
| 17:52.48 | maligor | CMake is a build system, not a compiler |
| 17:52.52 | zagibu | DarkSmoke: I see debian more as a server distro... |
| 17:52.59 | maligor | cumulus007, install cmake |
| 17:52.59 | abrotman | zagibu: wrong |
| 17:53.05 | zagibu | why? |
| 17:53.08 | abrotman | DarkSmoke: if you want to try it, try it .. |
| 17:53.13 | abrotman | zagibu: it works just as well everywhere! |
| 17:53.30 | betrayed | zagibu: i see it as a every day distro it runs on my laptops and my servers |
| 17:53.36 | DarkSmoke | betrayed: just 2 answers i need , does it provide good kde support? as in does it keep up with releases? and does installing firefox pulls out alot of other useless things? |
| 17:53.40 | zagibu | yeah, but some packages used to be mighty old...of course, you can always use unstable tree |
| 17:53.48 | abrotman | DarkSmoke: lenny has 3.5.x |
| 17:53.54 | cumulus007 | maligor: did that, and then? |
| 17:53.55 | zagibu | see |
| 17:53.59 | zagibu | way behind |
| 17:54.01 | cumulus007 | maligor: I found something: |
| 17:54.03 | DarkSmoke | lenny is the current release? |
| 17:54.06 | cumulus007 | http://www.quietearth.us/articles/2006/08/16/Building-deb-package-from-source |
| 17:54.07 | zagibu | yeah |
| 17:54.08 | abrotman | zagibu: because 4.x is a flaming pile of poo |
| 17:54.09 | betrayed | darksmoke, yes it supports kde but you will have to go to testing to get the newer stuff |
| 17:54.15 | cumulus007 | but I don't know if that's for CMake |
| 17:54.18 | zagibu | abrotman: just saying |
| 17:54.19 | DarkSmoke | hmm i see |
| 17:54.25 | DarkSmoke | so testing provides kde4.2 ? |
| 17:54.27 | abrotman | zagibu: so .. being current is better if it sucks? |
| 17:54.36 | chomwitt | abrotman: ok. though i find it confusing to have in a system possible 3-4 keyring deamons (_+kde's +ssh-agent +..) i'll try to add a commond to kill gnome-keyring deamons cause (and thats gnome thing) i cant remove the package without removing practically gnome itself |
| 17:54.38 | abrotman | DarkSmoke: see packages.debian.org to see which versions of packges are available |
| 17:54.43 | zagibu | not better, but some like bleeding edge on their desktops |
| 17:54.43 | DarkSmoke | ok |
| 17:54.50 | abrotman | zagibu: that's just silly |
| 17:55.00 | zagibu | i know, most people are silly |
| 17:55.10 | abrotman | zagibu: including you .. since you just said it was a server distro |
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| 17:55.26 | maligor | cumulus007, cmake works by running cmake, it won't make it into a deb, I'm not familiar with debian's packaging tools |
| 17:55.26 | \amethyst | chomwitt: I believe seahorse still uses gnome-keyring-daemon |
| 17:55.35 | \amethyst | chomwitt: it's the gnome-keyring-manager that has been deprecated |
| 17:55.37 | zagibu | well, it's what I hear |
| 17:55.52 | betrayed | and DarkSmoke iceweasel does not drag in a ton of dependcies that are unneeded. iceweasel is debians rebrand of firefox |
| 17:55.55 | cumulus007 | maligor: okay. I got the built code here, but I don't know what to do next |
| 17:56.09 | abrotman | zagibu: you heard wrong |
| 17:56.26 | cumulus007 | Isn't it as simple as putting the binaries into an archive? a tar instead of a deb is also fine |
| 17:56.28 | Gun_Smoke | when running an audit on passwords with john, unshadow /etc/passwd /etc/shadow > list.file I find and run john fine. However, I've changed some passwords and added a user, but after doing unshadow /etc/passwd /etc/shadow > list.file2 again it is not updated. What updates these files? |
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| 17:56.48 | smacnay | \amethyst, seahorse has been depreceated? |
| 17:56.48 | zagibu | abrotman: okok, I'll shut up :) |
| 17:56.58 | chomwitt | \amethyst: in htop i see '/usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/seahorse-agent --execute x-session-manager' |
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| 17:57.10 | \amethyst | smacnay: no, gnome-keyring-manager has been deprecated, as I understand it |
| 17:57.32 | nsadmin | zagibu: so after the reboot... still ok? |
| 17:58.11 | smacnay | hmm, I notice that I am running out of space on "/usr" and "/". Not sure why but I might need to utilize this lvm2 stuff to make room... if possible. |
| 17:58.14 | zagibu | nsadmin: nah, it's ok now...thanks for the help |
| 17:58.29 | smacnay | \amethyst, ah, is there something else put in its stead? |
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| 17:58.38 | Wulf_ | Hello |
| 17:58.46 | chomwitt | smacnay: seahorse |
| 17:59.03 | nsadmin | zagibu: welcome... but you did most of the work, including discovering the actual problem |
| 17:59.05 | smacnay | chomwitt, oh. I have that on as well. |
| 17:59.06 | Wulf_ | what should I do to recompile my kernel with a custom patch? |
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| 17:59.14 | abrotman | patch for what? |
| 17:59.29 | chomwitt | smacnay: thats whats confusing me a little |
| 17:59.53 | nsadmin | is there a different way to compile kernels in lenny? |
| 17:59.54 | Wulf_ | abrotman: "proc: Add page cache dump" |
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| 18:00.43 | zagibu | nsadmin: I'm still wondering what happens in dpkg-reconfigure tzdata that can't be done manually |
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| 18:02.10 | smacnay | I am not sure if I should have used lvm or now. Seemed like the best way to avoid full partitions (like /usr). |
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| 18:04.02 | chomwitt | abrotman: i read http://live.gnome.org/Seahorse/SessionIntegration that there is a seahorse-agent . but it mentions only GPG and SSH keys,but that's as i get it functionality also offered by gnome-keyring deamon. |
| 18:04.32 | abrotman | which was deprecated in favor of seahorse |
| 18:04.33 | chomwitt | abrotman: so i guess it's not a simple front-end change |
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| 18:07.51 | basix | where do i find aixgl / xgl for debian? The repos dont seem to have it |
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| 18:08.17 | nsadmin | have you tried radeon and/or radeonhd? |
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| 18:11.49 | basix | nsadmin, is that a reply to my question? |
| 18:11.50 | \amethyst | while read line; do echo "sdasdasd"; done |
| 18:11.51 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 18:15.50 | spacepluk | Hi, Are there torrents for the live images somewhere? |
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| 18:16.26 | bhundven | spacepluk: http://debian.org/CD/ |
| 18:16.39 | bhundven | oh. I guess those are just install cds |
| 18:17.15 | bhundven | you can make a live cd with 'live-magic' |
| 18:17.56 | spacepluk | thanks I'll investigate that :P |
| 18:18.43 | spacepluk | I actually need something that boots from a usb since I don't have a cd reader in this computer |
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| 18:19.55 | BlastuR | anyone familiar with GnuPG/gpg? why would I want to compare fingerprints to determine if a public key is from the person i think? isn't it easier to just compare my key with his public key? is the fingerprint just a hash of the public key? |
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| 18:23.25 | \amethyst | BlastuR: the idea is that it's easier for someone to give you the fingerprint over a trusted channel than the whole key |
| 18:23.54 | BlastuR | okay |
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| 18:24.44 | BlastuR | if I do gpg --list-keys, it lists a pub, a uid and a sub .. the pub has format "1024D/xxxxxxx" .. what does this mean? |
| 18:24.49 | BlastuR | and what is the "sub"? |
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| 18:27.41 | bhundven | http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html |
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| 18:28.09 | spacepluk | BlastuR: If you're using gnome I find seahorse to be a very convenient tool to manage the keys, and you may grasp the concepts easier through the gui |
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| 18:29.41 | miksuh | yep, seahorse is wery good and it's part of the default debian gnome desktop |
| 18:30.27 | maligor | dreadful name however |
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| 18:31.11 | BlastuR | cool |
| 18:31.18 | maligor | always brings to mind something with pink and young girls |
| 18:32.08 | BlastuR | spacepluk, what does the icon next to each key indicate in Seahorse "My personal keys"-tab? I have 2 keys, one have a terminal-window behind a key, the other has a little person behind the key? |
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| 18:33.02 | BlastuR | oh, i get it .. it's a SSH key? |
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| 18:33.14 | subsume | my apache won't stay started. I saw a bunch of these > [Sun Mar 08 14:24:18 2009] [notice] child pid 32658 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) < in the error log. Are there other logs i can check for the root cause? |
| 18:33.38 | spacepluk | BlastuR: yep |
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| 18:38.28 | grummund | is there any fundamental difference between group 'wheel' and 'staff', or is this just a debianism? |
| 18:38.48 | enouf | !wheel |
| 18:38.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
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| 18:39.11 | enouf | grummund: also /msg dpkg groups |
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| 18:39.53 | enouf | staff is a weird one to me, adm is for allowing log viewing for users |
| 18:40.03 | subsume | maybe there's some way I can find out more about why apache is failing as it starts? |
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| 18:40.57 | grummund | enouf: /usr/src is groupid staff, so staff users can build stuff there |
| 18:41.04 | grummund | (i assume) |
| 18:42.09 | grummund | is just looking to set up /etc/sudoers, and the example in /usr/share/doc/sudo refers to 'wheel' not 'staff' |
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| 18:43.12 | enouf | drwxrwsr-x 10 root src 4096 2009-02-25 08:41 /usr/src/ |
| 18:43.24 | enouf | shrugs |
| 18:43.44 | spacepluk | I'm switching to debian/testing from ubuntu. Any advice? |
| 18:43.48 | grummund | enouf: sorry, i should have checked before i said that (my misinformation) |
| 18:44.30 | BCM43 | I installed debian on an aspire one netbook with a ssd, and then installed mad wifi to try to get wireless working. Now, not only does my wireless not work, whenever i tried to write in the name of the network, the network manager crashes |
| 18:44.41 | grummund | so maybe i add group 'src' to sudoers ;) |
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| 18:46.38 | miksuh | spacepluk: well you might want to wg. add debian-multimedia.org to sources.list and/or activate non-free and contrib section in the debian repository. You most likely want to do that if you are going to use debian on desktop |
| 18:46.52 | miksuh | wg == eg |
| 18:47.31 | grummund | actually it seems group 'sudo' is for exactly this purpose |
| 18:47.55 | spacepluk | miksuh: thanks, that's very useful |
| 18:47.57 | enouf | grummund: mine might be a bit , er older, so i'm not 100% sure - but also note how it's setgid |
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| 18:48.33 | BlastuR | my key ID is not a secret, right? |
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| 18:48.58 | subsume | What tool can I use to trace an application as its running? |
| 18:49.05 | grummund | enouf: yes my /usr/src is them same, sorry for the mis-info. |
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| 18:49.20 | grummund | adds self to group 'sudi' |
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| 18:49.53 | valdyn | subsume: your apache should be crashing because one file is broken, ldd the apache binary and use debsums to check files |
| 18:50.12 | valdyn | subsume: you can trace it with strace |
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| 18:50.52 | shad0w | hello everyone |
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| 18:51.01 | \amethyst | grummund: group 'sudo' doesn't need a password to use sudo |
| 18:51.21 | shad0w | i have a question about iceweasel,how to add my countrys google search engine ? |
| 18:51.24 | emma | In practice how often do packages in debian testing get updated? |
| 18:51.24 | grummund | \amethyst: doesn't that depend how /etc/sudoers is set up? |
| 18:51.35 | shad0w | it has the default engine |
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| 18:52.16 | grummund | \amethyst: it seems the appropriate group to me, but pls correct me if i'm wrong. |
| 18:52.42 | emma | I'm trying to decide if i should go with testing or with sid. |
| 18:52.44 | valdyn | shad0w: settings -> content allows to switch the language iceweasel will id as |
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| 18:52.55 | valdyn | shad0w: google will by default adjust to that |
| 18:52.58 | \amethyst | grummund: in at least some debian versions of sudo, the 'sudo' group is the default exempt_group |
| 18:53.04 | subsume | valdyn: so I do strace /etc/init.d/apache start and look at the output for clues? |
| 18:53.04 | emma | if you go with sid, are most of your packages bleeding edge? |
| 18:53.09 | valdyn | shad0w: and you will already use a local google server depending on your ip address |
| 18:53.12 | zsfrack | hello everyone |
| 18:53.13 | valdyn | shad0w: thats not a binary |
| 18:53.22 | valdyn | shad0w: oops |
| 18:53.24 | \amethyst | grummund: this doesn't seem to be the case anymore in sid though |
| 18:53.26 | valdyn | subsume: that is not a binary |
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| 18:53.48 | subsume | oh, sorry, /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 18:53.59 | miksuh | spacepluk: here is my sources.list as an example |
| 18:54.03 | miksuh | http://paste.debian.net/30081/ |
| 18:54.06 | shad0w | thnx valdyn :D |
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| 18:54.31 | grummund | \amethyst: i'm not familiar with sudo, up till now i always su'd to root when needed. |
| 18:54.55 | miksuh | spacepluk: if you are using testing, then replace 'lenny' with 'squeeze' or 'testing' |
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| 18:55.39 | spacepluk | spacepluk: thanks :) |
| 18:56.10 | zsfrack | I need help to setup my sound card |
| 18:56.14 | subsume | valdyn: hmpf. any ideas as to what I should be looking for? I examined the full output but I didn't see an obvious failpoint |
| 18:57.09 | valdyn | subsume: obviously its segfaulting at the very end of the strace |
| 18:57.20 | spacepluk | what is the common practice for the kernel? are there frequent kernel updates like in ubuntu or do I need to compile my own? |
| 18:57.32 | valdyn | subsume: but i think chances of finding the issue are better with ldd and debsums |
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| 18:57.56 | valdyn | spacepluk: do you need frequent kernel updates? |
| 18:58.04 | egiambalvo | looking for some help with proftpd |
| 18:58.07 | spacepluk | subsume: are you using a plain apache from the repo or have you compiled some module? |
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| 18:58.17 | emma | Does Debian sid give you bleeding edge packages? |
| 18:58.22 | valdyn | emma: no |
| 18:58.31 | emma | okay |
| 18:58.33 | subsume | spacepluk: I've compiled a module but nothign recently. |
| 18:58.36 | spacepluk | valdyn: not really, just getting ready in case something in my laptop is not supported :) |
| 18:58.40 | emma | maybe it's better to just go with Debian Testing then. |
| 18:58.51 | emma | What do most people here use? |
| 18:58.52 | nkuttler | emma: if you want bleeding edge you need upstream sources anyway.. |
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| 18:59.17 | BigLuks | hi all |
| 18:59.23 | BigLuks | im running debian lenny |
| 18:59.28 | nkuttler | emma: stable for most boxes |
| 18:59.31 | egiambalvo | can anyone spare a few minutes to help with proftpd |
| 18:59.38 | valdyn | if i want to spend my day fixing this i use bleeding edge but not debian |
| 18:59.43 | BigLuks | is there any way for me to change the tty the xserver is running on from tty7 to tty12? |
| 18:59.44 | nkuttler | !tell egiambalvo about ask |
| 18:59.52 | valdyn | if i want to spend my day fixing *things* i use bleeding edge but not debian |
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| 19:00.01 | miksuh | emma: Debian lenny on desktop laptop and server |
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| 19:00.15 | emma | okay |
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| 19:00.23 | BigLuks | i have no /etc/X11/xdm folder |
| 19:00.28 | emma | so would you guys recommend I just use debian lenny? |
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| 19:00.38 | BigLuks | so where do i change the tty the xserver is running on in debian? |
| 19:00.42 | valdyn | BigLuks: is xdm installed? |
| 19:00.46 | emma | ikonia: what happened to your ubuntu member cloak? |
| 19:00.48 | BigLuks | no gdm |
| 19:00.56 | valdyn | BigLuks: so why would you look for xdm then? |
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| 19:01.09 | BigLuks | because i was told so |
| 19:01.13 | creative2bad | the #tinyproxy channel is dead .. was wondering if it is possible to use tinyproxy with username and passwords ? |
| 19:01.16 | ikonia | emma: I've never had one |
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| 19:01.33 | Supercazzora | hi |
| 19:01.40 | emma | Hm. I thought you would have one. You can get one. I'm sure you know that though. |
| 19:01.50 | BigLuks | but where can i change xserver tty... im usign xserver with GDM and Gnome |
| 19:01.56 | Supercazzora | please I could not set my microphone on presario f780el (nvidia) |
| 19:01.58 | BigLuks | debian lenny |
| 19:01.59 | ikonia | emma: no, I chose not to have one |
| 19:02.11 | emma | *shrugs* |
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| 19:03.04 | egiambalvo | _ I'm running debian 4.0 _ need help with downloading and installing proftpd 1.3.2r4 the latest _ i have proftpd 1.3.0 but there is prob with filezilla _ _ new to linux _ any help would be apreciated thanks |
| 19:03.04 | valdyn | BigLuks: read /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 19:03.14 | emma | I guess I will just go with Debian Lenny |
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| 19:03.42 | spacepluk | subsume: maybe some update has broken it and you should recompile the module. but valdyn's suggestions makes sense and seems easier reinstalling the package should do it as well |
| 19:03.58 | BigLuks | valdyn: dont says any interesting |
| 19:04.02 | subsume | spacepluk: i haven't done any updating |
| 19:04.05 | emma | There's a lot of things that are very attractive about Debian, and I feel a certain level of confidence with Debian since I've learned Linux with Ubuntu. But the releases are so far apart, that's the one thing that worries me. |
| 19:04.08 | valdyn | BigLuks: can you actually read? |
| 19:04.12 | BigLuks | sure |
| 19:04.20 | subsume | spacepluk: also, if its an underlying dependency, i don't think reinstall will work |
| 19:04.25 | ikonia | emma: that can be seen as a serious positive |
| 19:04.31 | \amethyst | Darkclaw66: what's up? |
| 19:04.40 | ikonia | emma: it means things get fixed in your current release without the answer "upgrade in 3 months" being given as an easy get out |
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| 19:04.54 | emma | Hmm. *nods* |
| 19:05.10 | valdyn | BigLuks: im not a genius, i just read the part where it sais that defaults are at /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf |
| 19:05.12 | foetus | may i introduce my brandnew selfcompiled Info-Zip 3.0 with Large File Support.. :) |
| 19:05.20 | LemensTS1 | hey all, i deleted a file on etch, and need to recover it. is there a live cd that can do that? |
| 19:05.44 | BigLuks | ive already readed defaults.conf |
| 19:05.47 | ikonia | LemensTS1: so what your asking is nothign to do with debian - your asking for a live CD distro with some sort of "undelete" tool |
| 19:05.51 | BigLuks | also not very problem related |
| 19:05.53 | emma | LemensTS1: you used rm to get rid of it? |
| 19:05.58 | LemensTS1 | ikonia: its on debian |
| 19:06.02 | valdyn | BigLuks: except for the line number |
| 19:06.02 | ikonia | LemensTS1: so ? |
| 19:06.04 | LemensTS1 | emma: yea |
| 19:06.11 | OpenTokix | tut |
| 19:06.13 | BigLuks | line number?!? |
| 19:06.14 | emma | LemensTS1: ouch. I think that does not bode well. |
| 19:06.16 | valdyn | BigLuks: where it sais FirstVT=7 ? |
| 19:06.16 | spacepluk | subsume: sorry I mixed up things. I suggest reinstalling to fix the "corrupted" file. |
| 19:06.18 | ikonia | LemensTS1: see if any of the other superblocks contain a reference to it |
| 19:06.20 | LemensTS1 | ikonia: were linux people we help eachother |
| 19:06.35 | mibman | Hello everyone. I'm running Debian lenny. I'm having the logging out after less than 10 second problem, Error message says that it's because seahorse-agent fails to load. Libsoup aparently can't be read. |
| 19:06.36 | ikonia | LemensTS1: yes if you ask a question thats relevant to the channel you're in |
| 19:06.40 | subsume | spacepluk: right. a reinstall won't fix underlying dependencies, i don't think |
| 19:07.11 | valdyn | subsume: ldd /usr/sbin/apache2 lists files that you all need to check via debsums |
| 19:07.16 | mibman | I've tried reinstallation of libsoup, but it fails every time. Something about not being able to make a back up link. |
| 19:07.25 | subsume | valdyn: yeah, doing now. i'm not sure where they are though. |
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| 19:07.36 | valdyn | subsume: ldd tells you where they are |
| 19:07.39 | creative2bad | the #tinyproxy channel is dead .. was wondering if it is possible to use tinyproxy with username and passwords ? |
| 19:07.53 | subsume | not all of em, vald |
| 19:08.03 | BigLuks | k valdyn big thx |
| 19:08.03 | subsume | linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7fae000) |
| 19:08.10 | mibman | I've tried reinstallation usign synaptic, aptitude, and apt-get, same results. |
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| 19:08.11 | BigLuks | i just overreaded it the first time |
| 19:08.12 | BigLuks | ... |
| 19:08.15 | valdyn | subsume: theoretically he needs to check that too |
| 19:08.19 | spacepluk | subsume: ok, now I got it :P |
| 19:08.43 | valdyn | subsume: ops |
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| 19:08.49 | zsfrack | i got no sound my azalia sound card on my hp tx2623 with lenny any idea? |
| 19:08.53 | subsume | valdyn: is there a quick way to check the output of ldd =) |
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| 19:09.15 | valdyn | subsume: im not your bash teacher =/ |
| 19:09.23 | subsume | =) |
| 19:09.26 | mibman | I'm not sure if I'm just missing something very basic. I'm pretty new and not too familiar with linux troubleshooting as fo yet. |
| 19:10.07 | BlastuR | is there an easy way to popup a gui dialog from a bash script, let the user type in a password, which is stored in a variable in the script? |
| 19:10.13 | BlastuR | i guess there is such program? |
| 19:10.35 | BlastuR | like MY_PASS = `showdialog 'Enter your password'` |
| 19:10.41 | nkuttler | BlastuR: maybe zenity |
| 19:10.44 | spacepluk | subsume: | less ? :D |
| 19:10.46 | subsume | valdyn: debsums doesn't seem to like c binaries, which is what ldd gives me |
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| 19:11.09 | \amethyst | BlastuR: MY_PASS=$(zenity --entry --hide-text) |
| 19:11.18 | BlastuR | great, thanks! |
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| 19:11.34 | LemensTS1 | ikonia: http://pastebin.com/mf9017a2 not sure if this is what you wanted me to check? just from reading google... |
| 19:11.39 | valdyn | subsume: working on it, hold on |
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| 19:12.31 | Darkclaw66 | I've got a situation. I am trying to copy files from a windows computer on another network to my unix computer |
| 19:12.39 | Darkclaw66 | i am currently using wget with mirror mode to copy all the files and it works great except when I start deleting files older than 30 days |
| 19:12.54 | Darkclaw66 | wget still thinks those dirs/files exist and it recreates those dirs |
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| 19:13.27 | emma | Darkclaw66: Have you looked into rsync? I've never used that, but from what I imagine it is, it sounds closer to what you want to do. |
| 19:13.34 | BlastuR | if you export a shell variable, does it become globally available, or just to any child processes of that shell? |
| 19:13.37 | Darkclaw66 | rsync would work great but the remote computer is a windows computer |
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| 19:13.45 | \amethyst | BlastuR: child processes of that shell |
| 19:14.49 | \amethyst | BlastuR: *new* child processes of that shell (that are started after the export) |
| 19:14.50 | BlastuR | so doing something like export MY_PASS and then starting an app is safe? i maen, you can't list the exported variable from the outside somehow? |
| 19:14.51 | \amethyst | BlastuR: you can, with env |
| 19:14.51 | spacepluk | Darkclaw66: I'm not sure but you may be able to use rsync on windows with cygwin |
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| 19:14.51 | \amethyst | BlastuR: what are you going to do with the password? Why does it need to be exported? |
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| 19:15.09 | valdyn | subsume: ldd /usr/sbin/apache2 | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs dpkg -S | awk -F: '{print $1}' | sor t | uniq | xargs debsums | grep -v OK |
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| 19:15.13 | egiambalvo | i need help installing proftpdv1.3.2r4 ... currently running v1.3.0... |
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| 19:15.15 | Kanisterschleife | hi |
| 19:15.20 | egiambalvo | can someone direct me to a newbie linux room |
| 19:15.24 | valdyn | subsume: ldd /usr/sbin/apache2 | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs dpkg -S | awk -F: '{print $1}' | sort | uniq | xargs debsums | grep -v OK |
| 19:15.25 | emma | When you think about it, the Debian release cycle is not really slower than most propreitary OSes |
| 19:15.30 | valdyn | gah, one typo in sort |
| 19:15.31 | emma | wouldn't that be fair to say? |
| 19:15.44 | emma | The only thing is that some times you will start to feel like your software is getting old. |
| 19:16.02 | ikonia | LemensTS1: you've got a tone of superblocks there, which is good, use the file system tools (I assume you're using ext3) to see if any still reference the file - I doubt it, but worth a look |
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| 19:16.35 | BlastuR | \amethyst, im trying to make a little backup script.. since i dont want to store my GPG passphrase on disk, i'd like the bash script to throw up a dialog when i run the script (zenity) and then launch the backup software with GPG_PASSPHRASE variable set |
| 19:16.38 | ikonia | emma: well mac's release cycle is random, windows is random but re-announced, so I don't see how it has any relevance |
| 19:16.43 | Kanisterschleife | i want to configure my wlan. for installing ieee80211, the kernel sources are needed. i tried to fetch them by downloading and installing the linux-kernel package, but /lib/modules/KERNEL/build still doesn't exist |
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| 19:16.52 | emma | ikonia: you are quite good. you really are. (at these deeper linux issues) |
| 19:16.54 | BlastuR | but i dont want people to be able to read my passphrase while the backup program is running |
| 19:17.02 | \amethyst | BlastuR: not safe to put it in the environment then |
| 19:17.21 | emma | ikonia: even within a random 'cycle' there's still an expected waiting time. |
| 19:17.26 | Kanisterschleife | which package is the correct one to download to get the kernel sources? |
| 19:17.31 | subsume | valdyn: doesn't give me much... =) something I should fix with sort? |
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| 19:17.40 | \amethyst | BlastuR: other people can read the environment with ps exww |
| 19:17.47 | subsume | first one gave me a lot more |
| 19:17.49 | BlastuR | i wonder what is safe then.. i can't pass it as an argument to the backup app, that would show in process list, and i cant use the env variables :| |
| 19:17.53 | emma | ikonia: seems like with windows it's not unusual to go a couple years or more between something like xp and vista etc. |
| 19:17.56 | ikonia | emma: people want it "now" all the time, so I don't see how other peoples release cylces, more so when they are random, have any relecance to another OS |
| 19:17.59 | BlastuR | if i look at similar scripts, they all use env variables |
| 19:18.04 | \amethyst | BlastuR: send it to stdin on the backup app |
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| 19:18.19 | valdyn | \amethyst: that would be a silly hole if it worked |
| 19:18.21 | ikonia | emma: most OS's will go 2 - 3 years between releases unless there is a significant technolog shift |
| 19:18.26 | BlastuR | wouldn't i need to store it on file to do that? |
| 19:18.27 | valdyn | \amethyst: which it does not. |
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| 19:18.35 | Kanisterschleife | any idea? |
| 19:18.37 | \amethyst | valdyn: oh, you can't read other users' envs ? |
| 19:18.37 | valdyn | \amethyst: unless you mean outsite = same user |
| 19:18.40 | ikonia | emma: I can only think of 2 - 3 that don't |
| 19:18.47 | valdyn | \amethyst: or outside = child process |
| 19:18.53 | ccchatzilla | I'm trying to convert an RPM package I downloaded from http://packman.links2linux.org/package/223 into a DEB package with alien, and it's giving me this error message several times "Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 9a795806", any idea how to proceed? |
| 19:18.58 | emma | ikonia: Because it makes it psychologically feel like you are not missing out as much if you know that with an OS you were paying for you wouldn't (most likely) get something brand new any faster. |
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| 19:19.01 | \amethyst | valdyn: you're right, my bad |
| 19:19.22 | BlastuR | so it is safe to do export? |
| 19:19.23 | valdyn | BlastuR: just child processes |
| 19:19.28 | ikonia | emma: if you believe that - (not you personally) then you are a fool who wouldn't know what to do with the new technology if there was something |
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| 19:19.36 | BlastuR | ok, great, thanks |
| 19:19.52 | ikonia | emma: would you invest money in a release that was developed in 6 months - 1 year ? |
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| 19:20.38 | emma | I wouldn't make the release cycle the only factor in deciding if I would invest in it. |
| 19:21.05 | emma | I really do think that, for a lot of people, even if it is not wholly rational, the idea of getting the newest stuff is really appealing. |
| 19:21.06 | ikonia | emma: so the release cycle has no, or little relevane then, less so when compared against other OS's |
| 19:21.09 | Kanisterschleife | what's the right package for downloading the kernel sources? i installed linux-source, but /lib/modules/build still doesn't exist |
| 19:21.14 | valdyn | subsume: you should only get one small error due to that libgate |
| 19:21.19 | ikonia | emma: you don't need a new release to get the latest stuff |
| 19:21.51 | ikonia | emma: as I said, only a major technology shift should warrent a new release before the average 2 - 3 year window as most OS's do |
| 19:21.55 | valdyn | subsume: only "dpkg: *linux-gate.so.1* not found." |
| 19:22.22 | subsume | valdyn: all I get is http://dpaste.com/9958/ |
| 19:22.27 | emma | I'll let you in on a secret, I've tried using Debian once before (Etch). It was a good experience, it made me feel more confident about my ability to use Linux, because it was so much like Ubuntu. But I couldn't keep using it because the version of irssi that was in it, was so old that it didn't support scripts that I really depend on. |
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| 19:22.56 | ikonia | emma: ok, so that's not a release issue, thats a maintainence issue |
| 19:22.59 | maligor | you mean ubuntu is so much like debian, heh |
| 19:23.10 | ikonia | emma: eg: the next release of debian may/may not have upgraded irssi |
| 19:23.13 | valdyn | subsume: splunk is from debian? |
| 19:23.17 | emma | Yes it's better to say Ubuntu is so much like Debian. |
| 19:23.28 | ikonia | emma: and application versions such NOT be a factor in OS releases |
| 19:23.29 | subsume | splunk is some junk I can remove, valdyn |
| 19:23.53 | valdyn | subsume: junk or not, apache2 is linking against that, which seems broken to me |
| 19:24.06 | emma | ikonia: from my perspective, from the type of end user I am, the set of applications easily available through the repositories is a big aspect of the 'OS'. |
| 19:24.22 | subsume | hmm. let me remove it, valdyn |
| 19:24.29 | ikonia | emma: and that's were the short term release cycles ubuntu/fedora/others fail with |
| 19:24.31 | emma | I mean I'm not really a person who is worried about what that kernel is doing. I don't understand that stuff yet. For me what makes a difference is if the repos are nicely stocked. |
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| 19:24.48 | ikonia | emma: exactly, and release should not determain that factor |
| 19:25.01 | ikonia | emma: a release should determain core components not user space applications |
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| 19:25.48 | digitaloktay_ | time: real 219m4.596s, user 167m37.189s, sys 14m32.002s, haha kernel compile finish :) |
| 19:26.00 | emma | ikonia: my experience with Ubuntu has been, let's say you are using Maxima on Intrepid, if Maxima comes out with a new release durring Intrepid, the package will not be updated until Jaunty. |
| 19:26.08 | emma | Is that not typical or is that not the way Debian does it? |
| 19:26.32 | valdyn | subsume: my libdb4.4 has no debsums either, but my apache2 is not linking against that.. |
| 19:26.34 | ikonia | emma: no - and that is not the way a release should function |
| 19:26.39 | emma | My assumption was, it's the same thing. Like all the work that the software devs do, do not show up while in Etch, you have to wait a couple years for lenny. |
| 19:26.43 | valdyn | subsume: which is strange, unless that is what splunk does |
| 19:26.46 | wald0 | my GF has lost a work of the university on the laptop since it has got a forced shutdown (reiserfs), is there a way to use a old version of the journal in order to TRY to recover this file ? |
| 19:26.52 | ikonia | emma: you should not have to update your OS every 6 months to be up to date, that said you should not expect bleeding edge in a production release. |
| 19:27.36 | Kanisterschleife | hello? |
| 19:27.40 | valdyn | emma: its basically the same in debian, except there is backports.org |
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| 19:28.14 | emma | A really robust culture of backports would make everything much more cool. |
| 19:28.30 | emma | I agree that I should not have to update my OS to have up to date software. |
| 19:28.48 | ikonia | emma: backports are shunned by morons because the package version does not say $X+1 - it says $X-1 |
| 19:29.00 | valdyn | emma: its robust, it just cant provide everything |
| 19:29.03 | emma | I don't really need bleeding edge but when actual new versions of stuff comes out it would be cool to have real backports. |
| 19:29.49 | dustybin | emma: i hope your not using ubuntu.... :P |
| 19:30.07 | emma | Yes I'm using Ubuntu. It's what I began to learn Linux with. |
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| 19:30.18 | emma | But I'm looking to broaden my horizons. |
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| 19:30.50 | dustybin | emma: its not about broadening your horizons, its about using something superior |
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| 19:31.15 | SQlvpapir | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.22 | emma | hehehe well I admire that kind of boldness :) |
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| 19:31.23 | ikonia | use what meets your needs, and what your comfortable with, not what people tell you makes you look cooler |
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| 19:31.43 | digitaloktay | Linux testing 2.6.29-rc7 #1 SMP Sun Mar 8 17:01:22 CET 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:32.35 | subsume | valdyn: nope. removing splunk didn't remove that association |
| 19:32.57 | abrotman | digitaloktay: and what? |
| 19:33.05 | valdyn | subsume: removing splunk does not remove what exactly? |
| 19:33.12 | subsume | valdyn: sorry. the libdb one. |
| 19:33.15 | subsume | the other one of course is gone |
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| 19:33.41 | cliffbreaker | hi everyone. Can't get my webcam ID 0ac8:307b work though module gspca is installed and driver is registered on plug-in and /dev/video0 file is created. Can anyone please help? |
| 19:34.17 | valdyn | subsume: ok, reinstall libdb4.4, then next is checking the plugins you are using |
| 19:34.22 | digitaloktay | abrotman, fast kernel compile haha time: real 219m4.596s, user 167m37.189s, sys 14m32.002s |
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| 19:34.31 | valdyn | subsume: just as a precaution, i dont think its broken |
| 19:34.35 | digitaloktay | ;) |
| 19:34.49 | mfrisch | hello anyone understand the installation of emdebian?? How would I go about getting a mirror on a sd card and install from it...the device has no nic |
| 19:34.50 | subsume | valdyn: should I reinstall apache while I'm at it? |
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| 19:34.55 | valdyn | subsume: you can also deactivate plugins intermediately |
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| 19:34.58 | mfrisch | HI abrotman!! |
| 19:35.05 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:35.08 | Akuw | is there any application to create flash animations? |
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| 19:35.14 | valdyn | subsume: no, just check apache2 packages too with debsums |
| 19:35.15 | cliffbreaker | hi everyone. Can't get my webcam ID 0ac8:307b work though module gspca is installed and driver is registered on plug-in and /dev/video0 file is created. Can anyone please help? |
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| 19:36.05 | subsume | valdyn: debsums apache2 just checked some docs. |
| 19:36.17 | valdyn | subsume: i said packages, plural |
| 19:36.24 | valdyn | subsume: dpkg -l |grep apache2 |
| 19:36.27 | mfrisch | abrotman offtopic?? |
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| 19:38.37 | Luke-asss | hi guys |
| 19:39.08 | Luke-asss | gotta problem finding "emerald" with apt-get... anybody got an idea what to do? |
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| 19:40.11 | abrotman | Luke-asss: not in debian |
| 19:40.11 | mfrisch | Luke-asss use to be a seperate apt source I believe |
| 19:40.32 | cliffbreaker | hi everyone. Can't get my webcam ID 0ac8:307b work though module gspca is installed and driver is registered on plug-in and /dev/video0 file is created. Can anyone please help? |
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| 19:40.35 | Luke-asss | oh ok thx a lot |
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| 19:41.37 | subsume | valdyn: hmpf. its the Berkely DB. I don't see why its on my system. |
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| 19:42.02 | valdyn | subsume: just leave it alone after the reinstall |
| 19:42.10 | subsume | Reinstallation of libdb4.4 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 19:42.20 | Akuw | what license use Pyvnc2swf ?= |
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| 19:42.49 | valdyn | subsume: hmm, you should be able to remove it |
| 19:43.19 | cliffbreaker | hi everyone. Can't get my webcam ID 0ac8:307b work though module gspca is installed and driver is registered on plug-in and /dev/video0 file is created. Can anyone please help? |
| 19:43.19 | Luke-asss | does anybody know, where i have to change the option in nautilus, so that each window opens in the same window? |
| 19:43.43 | cahoot | try gconf-editor |
| 19:43.54 | subsume | valdyn: apt-get removing it says it will remove these packages: apache-common g++ g++-4.1 libc6-dev libdb4.4 libmysql++-dev libmysqlclient15-dev libssp0 libstdc++6-4.1-dev zlib1g-dev |
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| 19:44.24 | valdyn | subsume: are you running a mangled lenny? or etch? |
| 19:44.25 | subsume | bah, wtvr. I am removing it |
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| 19:44.32 | subsume | Lenny |
| 19:44.39 | subsume | not mangled.... I don't think! |
| 19:44.46 | valdyn | subsume: doesnt look like its properly lenny |
| 19:45.01 | subsume | i can move to etch i guess |
| 19:45.11 | valdyn | subsume: you cant |
| 19:45.30 | subsume | why not? |
| 19:45.38 | valdyn | subsume: because you cant downgrade |
| 19:45.43 | subsume | oh sorry |
| 19:45.51 | subsume | I am running Etch |
| 19:45.57 | subsume | I can upgrade to Lenny |
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| 19:46.17 | valdyn | subsume: maybe you are running etch but upgraded halfway to lenny already |
| 19:46.37 | valdyn | subsume: show /etc/apt/sources.list on a paste site |
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| 19:46.55 | enouf | new libc6, so system needs a restart? or atleast a session? |
| 19:47.01 | creative2bad | the #tinyproxy channel is dead .. was wondering if it is possible to use tinyproxy with username and passwords ? |
| 19:47.03 | valdyn | enouf: no |
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| 19:47.11 | enouf | ok, my bad then |
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| 19:47.47 | valdyn | enouf: his apache2 is crashing, and im only now finding out that he might have a funny mangled system |
| 19:49.13 | enouf | valdyn: yes, twas barely following, missed many pieces of convo - my interjection was just a weird guess, and not valid (i see that now) |
| 19:49.59 | cliffbreaker | hi everyone. Can't get my webcam ID 0ac8:307b work though module gspca is installed and driver is registered on plug-in and /dev/video0 file is created. Can anyone please help? |
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| 19:50.59 | subsume | valdyn: maybe i should just migrate away from this system to a fresh 5.0? |
| 19:51.09 | valdyn | subsume: like a reinstall? |
| 19:51.23 | enouf | cliffbreaker: uname -r? |
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| 19:51.25 | subsume | valdyn: its a remote box @ linode. I can just set up a new one and migrate my stuff. |
| 19:51.39 | valdyn | subsume: its probably easier |
| 19:51.52 | valdyn | subsume: if you are not using non-debian stuff i would do that probably |
| 19:51.56 | enouf | cliffbreaker: is that a usbid? |
| 19:52.11 | subsume | valdyn: its a pretty basic system I have overcomplicated over the years =) |
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| 19:52.33 | cliffbreaker | enouf: 2.6.26-1-686 and installed accordingly gspca module from repo. The id is output from lsusb |
| 19:52.37 | enouf | cliffbreaker: when you say can't get it to work, through which app and DE? tried as root? |
| 19:53.34 | cliffbreaker | enouf: tried with skype, cheese, xawtv , camorama, vlc - they just fail to connect |
| 19:53.37 | enouf | cliffbreaker: is your user in the 'plugdev' group? run the command 'groups' as the user, or use the id command |
| 19:53.48 | cliffbreaker | enouf: gnome |
| 19:54.09 | enouf | ok .. just so you know, i don't use gnome ... |
| 19:54.18 | cliffbreaker | enouf: yes I'm in plugdev group |
| 19:54.28 | cliffbreaker | enouf: it's not gnome issue |
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| 19:54.34 | enouf | cliffbreaker: how about 'video' 'audio' ? |
| 19:54.40 | cliffbreaker | tried different DE's |
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| 19:55.05 | cliffbreaker | enouf: my groups are dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 19:55.10 | rafuch0 | hey a question.... can i have dual monitor display in a pc whit video card and a video integrated interface...? |
| 19:55.21 | valdyn | rafuch0: yes |
| 19:55.35 | rafuch0 | any turials i can follow? |
| 19:55.44 | rafuch0 | *tutorials |
| 19:55.46 | enouf | cliffbreaker: ok, well, you need to paste some errors when launching an app that tries to use it - also - pastebin dmesg | tail and ls -l /dev/video* |
| 19:56.33 | cliffbreaker | ls -l /dev/video* gives video0, all apps give no errors |
| 19:57.03 | enouf | cliffbreaker: almost sounds more like a 'networking' issue? does lsmod | grep gspca show proper modules loaded? (i also never used a webcam, nor gspca) |
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| 19:57.25 | valdyn | sounds like the camera isnt switched on |
| 19:57.35 | valdyn | if theres no error.. |
| 19:57.56 | enouf | cliffbreaker: there's _some_error_ somewhere :-) |
| 19:58.07 | enouf | valdyn: point |
| 19:58.28 | cliffbreaker | enouf: valdyn: here is dmesg output - seems there is an error http://paste.org/index.php?id=5792 |
| 19:58.31 | subsume | valdyn: weird. your precaution fixed everything. |
| 19:58.41 | enouf | cliffbreaker: you launch the apps from an xterm, not the clicky things |
| 19:58.47 | valdyn | subsume: what did? |
| 19:58.54 | cliffbreaker | enouf: yes from xterm |
| 19:58.59 | subsume | valdyn: reinstalling libdb |
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| 19:59.23 | valdyn | subsume: you didnt debsum it before you reinstalled i guess |
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| 19:59.28 | subsume | it basically redid everything on my system...from perl to php to... |
| 19:59.33 | subsume | i couldn't debsum it. |
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| 19:59.43 | valdyn | subsume: if you could reinstall it then you could debsums it |
| 19:59.49 | subsume | hm ok. |
| 19:59.55 | valdyn | subsume: though sure at first you couldnt install it and you couldnt debsum it |
| 20:00.17 | cliffbreaker | enouf: lsmod grep gspca gives following - gspca 639888 1 videodev 27520 2 gspca usbcore 118160 4 gspca,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd |
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| 20:00.31 | subsume | yeah. I think I should probably just migrate to a fresh 5.0 anywho. but thanks for your immense help (as always) |
| 20:00.42 | valdyn | subsume: welcome |
| 20:01.00 | valdyn | subsume: or just upgrade to lenny completely |
| 20:01.08 | valdyn | subsume: debian doesnt age like that |
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| 20:01.35 | enouf | cliffbreaker: see, gspca isn't in normal debian kernels? it's an addon pkg? pastebin 'modinfo gspca | grep parm' |
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| 20:01.45 | valdyn | cliffbreaker: no error there.. |
| 20:02.13 | valdyn | cliffbreaker: oh, err, theres one indeed |
| 20:02.27 | cahoot | enouf: in 2.6.26 and later IIRC |
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| 20:03.10 | valdyn | cliffbreaker: it said its a jpeg kamera, i dont know exactly what that means |
| 20:03.28 | valdyn | cliffbreaker: you can google for that, xawtv might not play something like that |
| 20:03.37 | cliffbreaker | enouf, valdyn: http://paste.org/index.php?id=5793 |
| 20:03.40 | enouf | cliffbreaker: well, so far, i'm stumped - tried various channels that use the apps you mentioned? |
| 20:04.02 | cliffbreaker | enouf: what do u mean? |
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| 20:04.32 | MrDusty | hrm, for some reason denyhosts has stopped sending me emails when an ip gets added to hosts.deny. NOt really sure where the problem is i've checked the mail logs and there has not been any failed attempts/rejections. I can send mail as root from the server, checked the denyhosts.conf and it has the smtp details, any ideas? |
| 20:04.41 | enouf | cliffbreaker: well - also, i'm not sure if assigning specific module options to it would help either |
| 20:04.46 | cliffbreaker | valdyn: i googled for a week and everybody seems to have it work in the end but their solutions don't fit me |
| 20:04.52 | enouf | cliffbreaker: i just don't know enough about it all |
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| 20:05.12 | valdyn | cliffbreaker: you can show a solution? |
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| 20:06.11 | enouf | cliffbreaker: though lines 13-15 in your modinfo paste shows possible things/options i'd try |
| 20:06.16 | cliffbreaker | valdyn: well they compile gspca from source, remove existing module and change for their - but there's no need for that in debian - debian's kernel doesn't contain gspca |
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| 20:06.44 | cliffbreaker | enouf: try what? I'm not very good at that sorry |
| 20:06.50 | enouf | heck, maybe just lines 13 and 2 :-P |
| 20:07.33 | cliffbreaker | enouf: how do I do that? |
| 20:07.59 | edju | I can't seem to get key assignments permanent - have to run xmodmap every login. Might someone take a peek at http://rafb.net/p/m697SD81.html -- ~/.Xmodmap file -- and see if there are any syntax or other errors? |
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| 20:11.10 | cliffbreaker | enouf: seems i don't have proper v4l libraries in /usr/lib |
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| 20:12.06 | enouf | cliffbreaker: ok .. |
| 20:12.28 | cliffbreaker | enouf: do you know where I can get them? |
| 20:12.41 | enouf | cliffbreaker: you can modprobe modules with options; 'parms', and have them load auto when inserted |
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| 20:12.47 | enouf | cliffbreaker: no idea offhand |
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| 20:12.54 | enouf | ask #v4l ? |
| 20:13.55 | rutger1 | hi there, I have a intel 950GMA graphics card (integrated), I can;t get the resolution right.. any ideas?,. I allready changed the 915resolution auto file |
| 20:14.14 | rutger1 | didn't work |
| 20:14.28 | abrotman | rutger1: lenny or etch? |
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| 20:14.41 | rutger1 | lenny or etch?,. what;s that? |
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| 20:15.09 | abrotman | rutger1: uname -a .. says what ? |
| 20:15.19 | rafuch0 | valdyn: any sugestion on where to start whit this dual monitor setup? |
| 20:15.59 | BCM43 | I installed debian on an aspire one netbook with a ssd, and then installed mad wifi to try to get wireless working. Now, not only does my wireless not work, whenever i tried to write in the name of the network, the network manager crashes |
| 20:16.00 | rutger1 | abrotman: Linux dream 2.6.28.5-1-i686-dream #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Feb 13 20:42:53 EET 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:16.26 | abrotman | rutger1: that's not debian .. try #dreamlinux |
| 20:16.31 | rutger1 | thnx |
| 20:16.41 | rutger1 | no-one ther |
| 20:16.42 | enouf | for example; 'options: gspca lightfreq:60' or 'options: gspca debug: 5' or similar (you'd touch a new filename in /etc/modprobe.d/ and edit accordingly) |
| 20:16.51 | enouf | cliffbreaker: ^^^^^^ |
| 20:16.53 | abrotman | rutger1: then go to ##linux |
| 20:17.00 | rutger1 | abrotman: I figured the way of installing is the same, since the base of dreamlinux is debian |
| 20:17.17 | enouf | cliffbreaker: but note; some could be dangerous, please heed the advice in modinfo output |
| 20:17.19 | abrotman | not our problem .. we do not support debian-based distros .. either install debian or go to ##linux |
| 20:17.29 | rutger1 | great.. thnx! |
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| 20:18.48 | mfrisch | abrotman >>offtopic please.... |
| 20:18.49 | enouf | cliffbreaker: er, not sure if the colon after 'options: ...' in my examples matters, but in mine, there's no colon there, so don't use that if you try to play with parms (parameters) |
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| 20:19.12 | cliffbreaker | enouf: v4l-conf gives an error)) http://paste.org/index.php?id=5794 |
| 20:19.36 | creative2bad | the #tinyproxy channel is dead .. was wondering if it is possible to use tinyproxy with username and passwords ? |
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| 20:22.05 | enouf | cliffbreaker: i'm not sure how to handle that error - again, maybe #v4l can help? |
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| 20:25.32 | BCM43 | I installed debian on an aspire one netbook with a ssd, and then installed mad wifi to try to get wireless working. Now, not only does my wireless not work, whenever i tried to write in the name of the network, the network manager crashes |
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| 20:27.37 | cliffbreaker | enouf: they seem to be stuck too)) |
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| 20:28.36 | BCM43 | enouf: did you get my messege? |
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| 20:31.34 | maximi89 | hi |
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| 20:32.07 | maximi89 | i have a problem with the sound of flash player, i use debian testing, with iceweasel 3.0.0.7 i have a choppy sound... |
| 20:32.20 | maximi89 | somebody have a idea? |
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| 20:34.40 | keith4_ | which flashplayer? |
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| 20:35.01 | zmitya | hi all |
| 20:35.33 | zmitya | I'm going to add a new repository to the sources.list file |
| 20:35.50 | craigevil | maximi89: 64bit using iceweasel from sid? |
| 20:35.53 | SQlvpapir | welcome to the club |
| 20:35.57 | zmitya | how can I be sure that nothing else will be installed from here just I want ? |
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| 20:37.00 | wald0 | my GF has lost a work of the university on the laptop since it has got a forced shutdown (reiserfs), is there a way to use a old version of the journal in order to TRY to recover this file ? |
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| 20:39.00 | LemensTS1 | anyone here good at recovering ext3 files that deleted from rm cmd? |
| 20:39.37 | creative2bad | ..how can i do ./configure with apt-get ? |
| 20:39.45 | creative2bad | so i can set how it compiles |
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| 20:41.44 | grummund | hi, i have /etc/init.d/alsa-utils but no /etc/init.d/alsa. is this normal for a lenny install? |
| 20:42.21 | grummund | reason for asking is a howto i'm following mentions 'invoke-rc.d alsa reload' |
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| 20:42.33 | enouf | BCM43: what? |
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| 20:42.50 | abrotman | grummund: yes |
| 20:42.52 | enouf | cliffbreaker: stuck? and what's with the ))? |
| 20:43.03 | grummund | abrotman: yes, it's normal? |
| 20:43.12 | ekontsevoy | Hey guys, I have a few 'rc' APT packages (i.e. removed, but with remaning configs). How do I get rid of those config files? Purging doesn't work. |
| 20:43.12 | abrotman | grummund: are you following a tutorial about etch ? |
| 20:43.24 | grummund | abrotman: nope. |
| 20:43.28 | abrotman | ekontsevoy: man dpkg .. purge them |
| 20:44.10 | grummund | abrotman: well kinda. it explains howto install kernel module from etch to a lenny system |
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| 20:45.24 | grummund | so can i assume /etc/init.d/alsa-utils on lenny, basically replaces /etc/init.d/alsa as it was on etch? |
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| 20:46.36 | BCM43 | enouf: you were helping me a while ago with grub and booting and asked to know how it turned out |
| 20:46.57 | enouf | BCM43: oh .. i forget specifics easily - sorry |
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| 20:47.45 | ekontsevoy | abrotman: yeah, worked with dpkg... I wonder how come apt-get purge didn't do the same thing as dpkg -P |
| 20:47.56 | enouf | BCM43: which message though? pm? i don't accept from non-registered users .. or did you send me a msg in channel i missed sometime back? |
| 20:48.12 | abrotman | ekontsevoy: because you'd already removed it |
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| 20:50.19 | BCM43 | enouf: i pmed you as a registed user, a while back |
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| 20:51.01 | pulc | hi |
| 20:51.17 | pulc | !list |
| 20:51.17 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to pulc |
| 20:51.35 | enouf | BCM43: sorry then .. either i missed it, or something |
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| 20:52.07 | CervAnteZ | hi all |
| 20:52.25 | enouf | BCM43: i haven't been well lately (but nm that, it's offtopic for here) |
| 20:52.27 | BCM43 | enouf: no problem. I figured out that the problem was that it could not boot with the sd card in |
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| 20:52.42 | CervAnteZ | i got a lenny box here where apt claims it cannot resolve the sources' hostnames |
| 20:52.54 | CervAnteZ | although ping and everything else does so just fine |
| 20:53.11 | enouf | BCM43: that's pretty crazy eh? the OEM (+ BIOS) sucks? |
| 20:53.13 | CervAnteZ | i already checked for a hostname and hosts file mismatch |
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| 20:53.49 | enouf | BCM43: the SD card is interfaced through IDE?/ |
| 20:53.50 | BCM43 | enouf: i guess |
| 20:54.05 | nkuttler | CervAnteZ: when doing apt-get update? can you paste your sources.list? |
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| 20:54.07 | BCM43 | enouf: linux simply froze loading the driver for it |
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| 20:55.01 | enouf | BCM43: so moral of story is; stay away from "aspire one netbook with a ssd," if you want to boot from SDCard? |
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| 20:55.16 | BCM43 | enouf: no, they dont boot at all from sd cards |
| 20:56.03 | CervAnteZ | nkuttler: http://rafb.net/p/jNODGq52.html |
| 20:56.06 | enouf | BCM43: so moral of story is; never have a SDCard inserted when trying to boot a "aspire one netbook with a ssd," ? |
| 20:56.21 | CervAnteZ | nkuttler: its ok i can ping those server just fine too |
| 20:56.24 | BCM43 | yes |
| 20:57.03 | nkuttler | CervAnteZ: that's really odd. maybe have a look at /etc/apt/, although i don't see how anything in there could bypass dns |
| 20:57.05 | enouf | BCM43: ok - have you found out it's the same for everyone, all kernels/distros? if not, file a bug? |
| 20:57.24 | enouf | BCM43: or .. is it a "feature" hehe |
| 20:57.48 | enouf | BCM43: but thanks for the followup nonetheless |
| 20:57.48 | nkuttler | CervAnteZ: can you paste the whole error you get too? |
| 20:57.50 | BCM43 | enouf: i have came across the bug online |
| 20:58.23 | CervAnteZ | nkuttler: there are two things i think may be wrong, first until very recently i had resolvconf installed, second i got 3 network interfaces in that machine so it might try to use the wrong one |
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| 20:58.30 | enouf | BCM43: do other OSes such as windows also have the same issue? |
| 20:58.41 | BCM43 | enouf: i don't think so |
| 20:58.55 | enouf | BCM43: or .. ok, so just missing kernel support? or so? |
| 20:59.03 | BCM43 | yea |
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| 20:59.39 | enouf | BCM43: ok - and so, follow the newest kernel support ; i usually watch a few sites, mailing lists, etc |
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| 20:59.54 | BCM43 | enouf: ok, thanks |
| 21:00.22 | enouf | BCM43: for ex; http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28 is one ; lwn.net is another, kerneltrap.org |
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| 21:00.32 | euzao | gol Curintia |
| 21:00.35 | euzao | hahaa |
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| 21:00.48 | enouf | BCM43: plus bugzilla since you seem to have isolated the issue |
| 21:01.30 | BCM43 | thanks |
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| 21:01.38 | enouf | BCM43: lkml is the nitty-gritty and detailed and broken into specific areas |
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| 21:02.29 | BCM43 | i am trying to get wireless working now, and ifconfig detects it, but no networks show up. I compiled the hal madwifi from source |
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| 21:03.10 | enouf | BCM43: i'll try, but .. all i can do is direct you to wiki - which exact make/model pciid? |
| 21:03.22 | zagibu | what happens when you do a iwlist <interface> scan? |
| 21:03.56 | enouf | BCM43: i'd prefer you let others help you with wifi - since some seem available, and i'm not good with wifi issues in general |
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| 21:04.22 | CervAnteZ | nkuttler: my debian box is configured to be german |
| 21:05.05 | BCM43 | zagibu: interface does not support scanning. For the interface, it says wifif0 [/n] -00 |
| 21:05.05 | CervAnteZ | nkuttler: but here you go: http://rafb.net/p/CNulgi69.html |
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| 21:05.32 | zagibu | what interface did you use? is it listed in iwconfig? |
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| 21:07.00 | BCM43 | zagibu: sorry, i used the wrong interface. i get no scan results from ath0 |
| 21:07.45 | zagibu | and you are perfectly sure that there is a network in range? |
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| 21:08.11 | BCM43 | zagibu: i am in a big city. there are at least 15 showing on my other laptop |
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| 21:08.44 | enouf | BCM43: are you using Lenny? and a Debian kernel? |
| 21:08.48 | BCM43 | yes |
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| 21:09.12 | enouf | BCM43: you compiled the kernel? or uname -a says? |
| 21:09.50 | BCM43 | enouf: 2.6.26-1-686 did not compile myself |
| 21:10.03 | enouf | ok |
| 21:10.16 | maximi89 | craigevil: 32 bits Debian Testing |
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| 21:10.30 | maximi89 | keith4_: Flashplayer10 |
| 21:11.34 | zagibu | iwlist should yield results even when the interface is not in monitor mode, right? |
| 21:11.47 | BCM43 | zagibu: yes |
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| 21:12.19 | BCM43 | zagibu: wait, i dont know |
| 21:12.41 | zagibu | yeah, thought so...i just asked because i vaguely remember a case when I also couldn't get scan results...but I can't recall the details, unfortunately |
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| 21:12.50 | BCM43 | zagibu: darn |
| 21:13.16 | zagibu | well, you can try...although it probably won't help, but do a iwconfig <interface> mode monitor and do a scan again... |
| 21:13.49 | enouf | BCM43: ls /sys/class/net |
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| 21:14.42 | Gm4n | if I'm trying to pipe mail through sudo to a perl script, is address: "|/usr/bin/sudo -u username /path/to/myscript.pl" correct? |
| 21:14.44 | enouf | BCM43: what exact device is this? |
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| 21:14.49 | BCM43 | it has it |
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| 21:15.03 | BCM43 | ath0 and wifi0 are both there |
| 21:15.14 | enouf | no, i asked for output please |
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| 21:15.29 | BCM43 | enouf: ath0 eth0 lo wifi0 |
| 21:15.46 | Gm4n | ath0 is a virtual device and wifi0 is the actual device, right? |
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| 21:16.03 | Gm4n | (this sounds like one of my laptops) |
| 21:16.07 | enouf | ok, so, what does lspci -nn | grep -i Wireless say? |
| 21:16.37 | BCM43 | enouf: hold on, restart, apparently it might be that wireless is turned off and i have to fix it during bios boot |
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| 21:16.52 | enouf | ... |
| 21:17.08 | zagibu | hehe...you mean, a hardware/bios thing? |
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| 21:17.25 | cliffbreaker | how can I use update-alternatives to change to sun's java from openjdk? |
| 21:17.26 | BCM43 | zagibu: i have no idea |
| 21:17.36 | BCM43 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/iwlist-ath0-no-scan-results-640578/ |
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| 21:17.49 | zagibu | happened to me as well several times...couldn't connect until i noticed that the hardware switch was off |
| 21:18.37 | BCM43 | zagibu: problems is, it is not a switch, it a something that you move to the right, but it has a spring, so am an not quite sure what to do |
| 21:18.55 | Gm4n | does sudo pass through piped input to the process that it's calling? |
| 21:19.03 | zagibu | it's still a switch, though |
| 21:19.13 | zagibu | it doesn't have to stay on the right |
| 21:19.25 | zagibu | but you are right, it's a stupid design |
| 21:20.01 | zagibu | more like a button, actually |
| 21:20.08 | enouf | cliffbreaker: update-java-alternatives ? |
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| 21:20.49 | BCM43 | yay, thank you zagibu and enouf fooling around with the switch made it work |
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| 21:21.14 | zagibu | hehe |
| 21:21.37 | BCM43 | zagibu: why do they even put the switches on? a keybinding would be a lot nicer |
| 21:21.52 | zagibu | no idea |
| 21:22.00 | BCM43 | well, bye all. thank you, i am off to the land of mobility |
| 21:22.09 | zagibu | some are even such badly located, that they can be turned off by accident |
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| 21:23.40 | enouf | guess he intensely read the fine manual that came with the netbook |
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| 21:29.43 | valdyn | Gm4n: why dont you try? |
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| 21:30.16 | Gm4n | I am trying, and I think sudo's eating the input |
| 21:30.24 | Gm4n | but I can't find anything in the man pages |
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| 21:30.41 | valdyn | Gm4n: echo test | sudo cat |
| 21:31.45 | Gm4n | hmm, that works |
| 21:31.48 | Gm4n | I'm quite confused |
| 21:32.07 | Gm4n | trying to pipe mail through sudo into a perl script, and everything is working great except the perl script isn't getting the actual email |
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| 21:33.57 | valdyn | Gm4n: we cant help you if you dont provide info |
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| 21:34.20 | Gm4n | I just thought of something, testing it real quick. I'll provide plenty of info in a minute =) |
| 21:35.04 | johnrw | Hi folks... man... I just installed lenny... and I can't mount my other partitions! |
| 21:35.21 | johnrw | Is this a desired restriction for a Desktop? |
| 21:35.41 | foetus | is it possible to update an tar.gz archive without unpacking? |
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| 21:36.02 | enouf | johnrw: what partitions? |
| 21:36.30 | johnrw | I had picked "standard" and "Desktop" and I can't mount /dev/hda* |
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| 21:36.36 | enouf | johnrw: what "desktop"? |
| 21:36.42 | enouf | ok - that's gnome |
| 21:36.49 | johnrw | It installed Gnome... |
| 21:37.02 | enouf | johnrw: why can't you? |
| 21:37.20 | enouf | are you in the 'plugdev' group? |
| 21:37.33 | johnrw | The installer made me pick an ordinary user... and I am logged in as he... |
| 21:37.35 | enouf | johnrw: tried as root? |
| 21:37.40 | enouf | !automount |
| 21:37.40 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>, or <halevt> |
| 21:38.23 | enouf | johnrw: but where and what are these "other partitions" ? |
| 21:38.36 | johnrw | Oh, I know I could do it as root... but that's not the right way... is it? |
| 21:38.47 | enouf | johnrw: are they installed in your hot tub?, your toaster oven? |
| 21:39.21 | enouf | was the Jacuzzi made by Redmond? |
| 21:39.29 | johnrw | /dev/hda5 3874 4530 5277321 83 Linux |
| 21:39.29 | johnrw | /dev/hda6 4531 9636 41013913+ 83 Linux |
| 21:39.29 | johnrw | /dev/hda7 9637 24015 115499286 83 Linux |
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| 21:39.46 | enouf | !tell johnrw -about pastebin |
| 21:41.03 | johnrw | great... now I have to read 6 volumes just to find my files... <dpkg> Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>, or <halevt> |
| 21:41.54 | enouf | those are all Logicals, within an Ext'd. and no FSType is mentioned |
| 21:42.09 | enouf | so absolutely useless info |
| 21:42.38 | johnrw | absolutely useless? |
| 21:43.13 | enouf | do i need to quote it? or maybe a few !!!s ? |
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| 21:43.59 | johnrw | so was the toaster oven and hot tub remark... but i did not come here to argue. |
| 21:44.01 | mcuddles | hiya |
| 21:44.14 | mcuddles | is there no regional package for Debian ? |
| 21:44.33 | enouf | johnrw: i really want to help - but i need much more detailed info .. sorry about my tert attitude |
| 21:44.40 | foetus | again - is it possible to update an tar.gz archive without unpacking? |
| 21:45.07 | johnrw | I just can believe how hard it is to use this computer... and I am hoping someone sees it as constructive... |
| 21:45.34 | Eulex | mcuddles, translations are usually in the regular packages -- all of them |
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| 21:46.10 | enouf | johnrw: no, ... most people don't understand how applications, operating systems, etc interact and work - thank redmond for dumbing down society |
| 21:46.50 | enouf | johnrw: IOW, if you can't control a computer, it can control you |
| 21:47.36 | enouf | johnrw: because, all it is; is other people |
| 21:47.42 | johnrw | I had installed kde4.2 and when I saw it had no Run Program item on the Kmenu... I reformatted the partition... and said okay... let's see what gnome has to offer lately. It doesn't seem to have a Run Program item either... :( |
| 21:48.00 | enouf | johnrw: because, all it is; is other people's code/apps/etc whizzing around in bytes doing whatever it pleases |
| 21:48.26 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 21:48.26 | dpkg | kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/) See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ <Experimental> packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 21:48.30 | memnon | johnrw: 'Run Program'? |
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| 21:48.47 | johnrw | My reason... I installed skype... and there was no way to run the freakin program... short of opening a console... and typing skype & |
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| 21:49.14 | Gm4n | valdyn: got it, thanks! You gave me enough ideas to debug =) |
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| 21:49.19 | memnon | johnrw: There must be a way to add icons in the menu manually, not? |
| 21:49.19 | Eulex | johnrw, you can usually just pressa alt-f2 to open a run program dialog, but yes, it should be somewhere in the menus |
| 21:49.20 | enouf | johnrw: the world of "proprietary bullshit" works that way |
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| 21:49.54 | enouf | and as long as people support it and use it, it will never die |
| 21:49.58 | memnon | johnrw: skype from the debian repo? |
| 21:49.59 | johnrw | Yeah... the stupid little K-Menu->Run Program item is gone in KDE 4 |
| 21:50.01 | enouf | and it needs a killing |
| 21:50.03 | Eulex | johnrw, apart from that, Xfce has and has always had a "Run program" entry in the menu ^^ |
| 21:50.22 | memnon | Eulex: Do not tell him, or he will install anew ;) |
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| 21:50.31 | Eulex | memnon, uh, no skype in debian |
| 21:50.31 | memnon | Eulex: The whole system |
| 21:50.53 | memnon | Eulex: Thought so, so it is not debians fault if it is not in the menu... |
| 21:51.06 | enouf | johnrw: that's definitely a KDE / DE issue |
| 21:51.24 | memnon | johnrw: There must be an easy way to add items to this menu... |
| 21:51.32 | enouf | nothing really at all to do with Debian - same for the skype nonsense |
| 21:51.32 | memnon | uses neither kde nor gnome... |
| 21:52.03 | johnrw | At least in gnome... I could add a Application Launcher... in Add To Panel... |
| 21:52.34 | johnrw | skype has nothing to do with Debian? |
| 21:52.50 | johnrw | Is Debian an Operating System? |
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| 21:53.14 | memnon | johnrw: I just googled and found this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-add-entries-in-gnome-menu.html |
| 21:53.34 | memnon | johnrw: simple 'gnome add menu' query, does this help? |
| 21:53.52 | memnon | thinks if it works for ubuntu, it should work for ubuntu, too |
| 21:53.57 | johnrw | I don't want icons... just to run a program... |
| 21:54.07 | memnon | You want that program in your menu! |
| 21:54.18 | memnon | without skype & in the shell |
| 21:54.24 | k6 | I, I have a serious issue with my server. Apparently it is not booting at all, since there is no log at all in /var/log when I start in rescue mode |
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| 21:54.48 | Gm4n | k6: remote box? |
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| 21:54.50 | abrotman | johnrw: skype is unsupported here |
| 21:54.54 | k6 | Gm4n, yes |
| 21:54.57 | johnrw | No... I want cmdline access on the K-Menu... or Gnome's equivalent... |
| 21:55.14 | johnrw | I am not asking for skype advice... |
| 21:55.16 | Gm4n | k6: keep in mind rescue mode doesn't mount your actual filesystem, it uses it's own (I'm assuming) |
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| 21:55.30 | Gm4n | are you looking at the right var/log? |
| 21:55.31 | Eulex | johnrw, did you try pressing alt-f2? |
| 21:55.39 | johnrw | yes... it did not work |
| 21:55.48 | johnrw | it does in gnome |
| 21:55.50 | k6 | Gm4n, I know that, I mounted my real lvm partition where I can see the reboot messages, but then nothing at all |
| 21:56.31 | Gm4n | hmm, so you see the reboot message, but nothing related to startup? |
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| 21:56.36 | johnrw | and yeah.. kde4 is not supported in Lenny... and I see why... |
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| 21:56.54 | k6 | Gm4n, god I found what was wrong .. |
| 21:57.00 | mcuddles | !nvidia |
| 21:57.00 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 21:57.01 | Gm4n | the boot loader? |
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| 21:57.22 | k6 | in kernel-img.conf, I replaced /sbin/update-grub by update-grub |
| 21:57.35 | k6 | because my apt-get dist-upgrade told me to do that |
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| 21:58.01 | Gm4n | you trusted apt? tsk tsk =P |
| 21:58.16 | memnon | johnrw: This seems to be a desktop question, is there no kde/gnome channel around to ask for a run program? |
| 21:58.24 | johnrw | but the reason i came here is because after a default install... where i chose standard and Desktop... I can't access the other partitions on the hard drive... as the "ordinary user" |
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| 21:58.43 | johnrw | it says I do not have the rights to do so! |
| 21:58.49 | johnrw | brain dead |
| 21:59.09 | k6 | Gm4n, that is what i had http://pastie.org/411151 |
| 21:59.14 | memnon | johnrw: What other partitions? Windows? |
| 21:59.21 | johnrw | nope ext2 |
| 21:59.28 | mcuddles | running nvidia, geforce 8400GS PCI card. if i want to watch dvd's and movies, and not really playing games, my best bet are the free drivers. correct? |
| 21:59.46 | Gm4n | thanks k6, I'll remember that =) |
| 22:00.00 | k6 | so weird |
| 22:00.01 | memnon | johnrw: Okay, whats written in you fstab? |
| 22:00.09 | johnrw | i am not assigned to any groups other than what the installer did... |
| 22:00.25 | enouf | johnrw: DEs are their own Behemoth - man mount, man fstab |
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| 22:00.42 | th0ger | Helloo. Trying to read cpu temperature via lm-sensors. But sensors-detect only find an unknown 'chip'. How do I find out which 'chip' i have? (So i can check if its supported) |
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| 22:01.19 | johnrw | enouf, please... don't take for some schmuk |
| 22:01.28 | th0ger | I also dont know if i have the correct modules loaded. |
| 22:01.32 | enouf | johnrw: lvm, hardware/software raid/crypto all contribute |
| 22:01.33 | vyrgozunqk | hey guys, i managet to get my debian lenny system to recognyze my Genius Eye 312 WEBCAM, but the whole picture is green and stuck, theres nothing |
| 22:01.39 | johnrw | where do we pastebin around here? |
| 22:01.45 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 22:01.48 | johnrw | ok |
| 22:01.54 | vyrgozunqk | this is in skype, in gstreamer-properties the picture is like an a broken TV |
| 22:02.05 | vyrgozunqk | can someone help me :/ |
| 22:03.01 | johnrw | memnon, http://paste.debian.net/30092/ |
| 22:03.37 | johnrw | it is obvious now... that fstab is incomplete... |
| 22:04.28 | memnon | johnrw: there is only hda7 which you would like to visit |
| 22:04.30 | abrotman | why is it obvious ? |
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| 22:05.29 | johnrw | Since I usually use knoppix... and he fills in the fstab... on bootup... for every partition... he finds... I see how debian proper does not... |
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| 22:05.50 | memnon | johnrw: I wonder why the installer did not add the other partitions ... |
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| 22:05.56 | johnrw | damn, this is gonna be a rough ride... :) |
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| 22:06.05 | johnrw | I have no idea... |
| 22:06.09 | abrotman | johnrw: you're not making sense .. which other partition do you want to access .. use your words |
| 22:06.25 | memnon | johnrw: Never mind, its not difficult to add /dev/hda1 e.g. |
| 22:06.28 | vyrgozunqk | johnrw, why dont you try disk-manager ;) |
| 22:06.49 | vyrgozunqk | its a simple GUY, for mounting unmountig everytype of partition |
| 22:06.55 | johnrw | what i did do... was click Computer... |
| 22:07.10 | memnon | Everyone: I thought the installer adds all partitions to fstab automatically?! |
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| 22:07.23 | vyrgozunqk | no it didn't |
| 22:07.29 | abrotman | why would it? |
| 22:07.32 | caverdude | how do I find out the version of debian or kernal I have? |
| 22:07.35 | memnon | Why not? |
| 22:07.41 | abrotman | caverdude: uname -a |
| 22:07.44 | caverdude | ok |
| 22:07.45 | caverdude | thanks |
| 22:07.47 | abrotman | memnon: you don't want it to |
| 22:08.00 | memnon | abrotman: Okay, I trust debian to have sensible defaults |
| 22:08.04 | Eulex | the installer is _not_ supposed to fill out fstab with existing partitions. |
| 22:08.08 | vyrgozunqk | cause if you need a partition you'll add it yourself, its for multyuser purpous and etc |
| 22:08.09 | vyrgozunqk | :] |
| 22:08.10 | memnon | so johnrw, you have to add it to your fstab |
| 22:08.28 | vyrgozunqk | use disk-manager to mount |
| 22:08.41 | abrotman | how about one person help him instead of giving conflicting advice? |
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| 22:08.52 | vyrgozunqk | its a cute guy, and after you do whatever you do, click save to fstab :D |
| 22:08.53 | johnrw | Computer shows me a nice array of pretty drive icons... but when I click mount... i get a big ass lecture about me not having the privileges... |
| 22:09.05 | edju | Is ~/.Xmodmap supposed to make key assignments persistent through logins? |
| 22:09.06 | abrotman | johnrw: and which groups are you in ? |
| 22:09.12 | paonia | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.44 | johnrw | Groups? Man I just installed this thing... and everything is Default! |
| 22:09.50 | abrotman | so what? |
| 22:10.06 | abrotman | do you need to know how to check what groups you're in? |
| 22:10.08 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 22:10.08 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 22:10.11 | Eulex | paonia, yes. |
| 22:10.20 | memnon | johnrw: Type in a shell: groups <enter>. Paste the output |
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| 22:10.44 | johnrw | memnon, thanks |
| 22:10.53 | paonia | Eulex: any idea what I am missing |
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| 22:11.12 | Eulex | paonia, you haven't told us your problem yet. |
| 22:11.26 | memnon | johnrw: Just curious: This is your first linux installation? Why did you choose debian? |
| 22:11.46 | Eulex | he said he had several other ext2 partitions |
| 22:11.55 | adb | judd: versions initramfs-tools |
| 22:11.55 | judd | adb: initramfs-tools -- etch: 0.85i sid: 0.92l etch-backports: 0.92m~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.92o sid: 0.92o sid: 0.93 squeeze: 0.93 |
| 22:11.56 | johnrw | How come nobody wants to understand... THIS is DEFAULT! If I am going through it... so are anyone else trying to use it... This is in a usability context... |
| 22:12.01 | Eulex | why they are ext2 and not ext3 I have no idea |
| 22:12.07 | johnrw | I usually use Knoppix... |
| 22:12.37 | memnon | johnrw: Knoppix is a live distro. There are other "rules" for a system meant to be used in this context, I guess. |
| 22:12.53 | Eulex | johnrw, if you want to file a bug report, we have a wonderful bts for that. this channel is for SUPPORT, not complaining. |
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| 22:12.59 | memnon | johnrw: Or did you install knoppix on your disc? |
| 22:13.01 | abrotman | johnrw: does this mean you refuse to answer our questions? |
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| 22:13.25 | johnrw | I don't type fast enough... |
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| 22:13.37 | abrotman | maybe if you'd answer instead of whine ... |
| 22:13.38 | memnon | ;) |
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| 22:13.55 | johnrw | whine? |
| 22:14.11 | johnrw | you guys understand usability? |
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| 22:14.28 | abrotman | i'm asked you a question .. not a hard one .. i still dno't have an answer |
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| 22:14.55 | paonia | Eulex: need to check something if it does not fix it will be back thanks |
| 22:14.56 | memnon | johnrw: groups ?! |
| 22:15.40 | th0ger | thinks that johnrw is more into bashing debian defaults than fixing his problem |
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| 22:16.03 | Eulex | johnrw, we do, but please, screaming that out over the channel won't fix your problem in any way. |
| 22:16.04 | johnrw | johnrw@gw614ge:~$ groups |
| 22:16.04 | johnrw | johnrw dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 22:16.15 | memnon | says: Com'on guys, relax |
| 22:16.24 | johnrw | I am not screaming |
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| 22:17.38 | johnrw | well at any rate... I am in the plugdev group... apparently |
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| 22:18.24 | Eulex | yeah, but plugdev is for pluggable storage devices, I don't actually think it affects non-pluggable... |
| 22:18.41 | Eulex | non-pluggable ones are supposed to be always mounted |
| 22:18.54 | abrotman | what filesystem is on the partitions? |
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| 22:19.21 | memnon | he said ext2 |
| 22:19.39 | johnrw | apparently... since fstab has only entries for /dev/hda7 and swap...when I try and use the Computer inteface... with all the partitions... as drive icons... maybe there is an error down below... |
| 22:20.15 | johnrw | and I get a bad message reported having nothing to do with the real error... |
| 22:20.27 | johnrw | i dunno... |
| 22:20.34 | Eulex | just add the partitions to fstab |
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| 22:20.38 | memnon | ! |
| 22:21.10 | johnrw | yeah... I was hoping to use the one knoppix makes... but I can access the partition... |
| 22:21.23 | johnrw | viscous circle eh? |
| 22:21.25 | abrotman | you don't know what filesystems they are ? |
| 22:21.28 | Eulex | you mean 'can't'? just mount it. |
| 22:21.40 | johnrw | well as an ordinary user... |
| 22:21.53 | Eulex | you probably can't |
| 22:22.15 | Eulex | ... unless you add it to fstab and add the 'user' flag to it |
| 22:22.29 | stew | johnrw: what are you actually trying to do? what command are you trying to use to mount it? |
| 22:22.50 | Eulex | but the partition should be set to 'auto' anyway, so it will be mounted automatically and you never need to do it as a user |
| 22:23.09 | stew | how is this drive connected? |
| 22:23.19 | johnrw | I am in Gnome... I picked the Computer Icon... and I got a bunch of drive icons... So I right click... and select mount... |
| 22:23.30 | johnrw | it's /dev/hda |
| 22:23.38 | stew | johnrw: how is it connected? |
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| 22:24.31 | johnrw | hda ? That the ide master controller... and master drive on the cable? |
| 22:24.31 | zagibu | /dev/hda is a drive, not a partition |
| 22:24.52 | stew | if its connected via ide, then forget plugdev, that is for removable devices |
| 22:24.59 | johnrw | these are partitions on hda... |
| 22:25.10 | memnon | johnrw: A user is not allowed to mount unless the user flag is set in the fstab. So just add the drives you want your user to mount properly, and it should work. |
| 22:25.25 | zagibu | do a cat /etc/fstab and a cat /etc/mtab and post here |
| 22:25.38 | johnrw | zagibu, I already did |
| 22:25.44 | memnon | <johnrw> memnon, http://paste.debian.net/30092/ |
| 22:25.44 | johnrw | well not mtab |
| 22:26.18 | euzao | for 2G of RAM there is no necessity of SWAP partition, true? |
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| 22:26.40 | johnrw | ok... so this turns out to be a bug... fstab is not filled in for all drive partitions present during installation... |
| 22:26.41 | memnon | "necessity" and "necessity" :) |
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| 22:26.53 | abrotman | euzao: depends on what the system wil do |
| 22:26.57 | memnon | johnrw: The others suggested it is a feature. |
| 22:26.59 | Eulex | euzao, it's nice to not have applications crash immediately when overall usage goes above 2G |
| 22:27.06 | th0ger | euzao: i do fine without swap |
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| 22:27.42 | memnon | euzao: If your machine has 2g ram, 1g swap will not hurt, will it? ;) |
| 22:27.51 | zagibu | yeah, it's not a bug...why should debian assume you want to let users mount all partitions by default? |
| 22:27.58 | johnrw | memnon, they probably have CS degrees... and think all people have to do is to read man pages... |
| 22:28.24 | memnon | johnrw: Knoppix is a live distro. They have a very different use scenario |
| 22:28.34 | zagibu | memnon: if it's a laptop, and you want to use suspend to ram, you should give it more swap than you have memory, otherwise 1 gig should be fine |
| 22:28.36 | th0ger | euzao: i would recommend to have a mem app on your desktop to see if you need the swap. |
| 22:28.46 | abrotman | memnon: it can be installled |
| 22:28.55 | memnon | has a look at the installation guide. Nothing there? We will see... |
| 22:29.36 | Eulex | johnrw, well, I don't (yet ^^) |
| 22:30.08 | zagibu | oops, sorry, memnon, i meant to target euzao with my blurb |
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| 22:31.55 | johnrw | memnon, I only mentioned knoppix... as in I have experience with it... and yes... out of my cold dead fingers... will anyone get my Knoppix CD/DVD collection... I have been running from the iso image for years now using Gilles Van Ruymbeke's.. miniroot's |
| 22:31.57 | memnon | johnrw: Using the fstab file is not that uncommon and difficult a task. |
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| 22:32.46 | euzao | Eulex well, it is a Athlon X2 |
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| 22:33.12 | memnon | Everyone: I am not sure, how do other distros handle it: Do they add the partitions at install? Should johnrw try rather another (desktop) distro? |
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| 22:33.17 | Eulex | euzao, uh, how is that relevant? |
| 22:33.26 | zagibu | euzao: why do you want to go without swap, anyway? |
| 22:33.36 | zagibu | is your disk that small? |
| 22:33.54 | danilom | hi i hace a mac adress of my network, i look at this in lan station of iptraf, how can i know what is the ip of this mac? |
| 22:33.59 | jdl | How can I apt-get install just one package out of testing on my otherwise stable box? |
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| 22:34.14 | johnrw | Does nobody in this channel see the usability issues here? |
| 22:34.16 | jdl | danilom: use ifconfig |
| 22:34.22 | Eulex | danilom, man arp I believe |
| 22:34.22 | memnon | johnrw: I see itz. |
| 22:34.30 | euzao | zagibu useless partition |
| 22:34.31 | euzao | hehe |
| 22:34.38 | zagibu | perfectionist? |
| 22:34.39 | memnon | johnrw: But: Debian is used for many different purposes |
| 22:34.48 | danilom | jdl, is a interface of the network not from the machine server |
| 22:34.55 | johnrw | Then why are you suggesting I use a different distro? |
| 22:35.06 | memnon | johnrw: Its universal, right. So, the defaults are not especially targeted at desktop users sometimes. |
| 22:35.11 | zagibu | it's NOT a useability issue...if it was mounted as default, it would be a security issue... |
| 22:35.37 | johnrw | A security issue? On my own computer? |
| 22:35.49 | zagibu | danilom: then i think you have to rely on ARP to find out the ip |
| 22:36.15 | memnon | johnrw: see what I mean: "On my own computer?" My university uses debian on machines used by thousands of students. |
| 22:36.38 | \amethyst | # foo=( a b c d e ); unset 'foo[0]' 'foo[2]' 'foo[3]'; echo "${foo[@]}" - "${#foo[@]}" - "${foo[4]}" |
| 22:36.41 | \amethyst | doh |
| 22:36.51 | danilom | zagibu, is there a way to know wich ip of the network is "eating" my bandwith, i am a gateway |
| 22:36.51 | zagibu | johnrw: do you really think you are the only one that understands useability? |
| 22:37.15 | johnrw | Well when I installed... it offered a few choices for the anticipated uses of "this" computer... I picked Desktop... |
| 22:37.36 | zagibu | danilom: use tcpdump to find out things about network traffic |
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| 22:37.38 | Eulex | johnrw, those are just lists of packages to be installed |
| 22:37.40 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
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| 22:38.15 | Eulex | that is, for a given task, installs a specific list of packages. |
| 22:38.16 | Rapp | i just upgraded my server box from etch to lenny... i don't get the meaning of the exim4 config changes... what do i have to do to get rid of the DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF crap? |
| 22:38.21 | th0ger | Rapp: Hi welcome to the madhouse. |
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| 22:38.33 | memnon | ;) |
| 22:38.36 | Rapp | :-D |
| 22:38.46 | zagibu | johnrw: even desktop systems can be used by multiple users, and even if they aren't, just mounting stuff as default would still be wrong |
| 22:39.10 | Rapp | i read the NEWS.Debian.gz file, but i don't get what i have to change in my exim4 config template |
| 22:39.11 | zagibu | on top: linux is not meant to be for braindead people that need wizards to set everything up |
| 22:39.25 | amphi | danilom: just watch the internal interface in the ip traffic monitor, and sort the view, you should see it easily |
| 22:39.27 | johnrw | I never said "Mount all partitions by default" |
| 22:39.32 | memnon | johnrw: Just add the lines to your fstab file, you just have to do it once, and you are set up |
| 22:39.54 | johnrw | memnon, right... |
| 22:40.04 | johnrw | Glad I know how... |
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| 22:40.13 | johnrw | Most newbies won't |
| 22:40.20 | danilom | amphi, with iptraf you mean? |
| 22:40.31 | amphi | danilom: aye |
| 22:40.37 | memnon | johnrw: Well, I would not recommend debian to a real linux newbie... |
| 22:40.48 | Rapp | anyone got a hint for my exim4 problem? |
| 22:40.53 | memnon | johnrw: Or I would set up his system, and let him go from then on |
| 22:41.07 | Eulex | johnrw, if you disagree about the choice to not do it, this is not the place to complain either. you file a bug report then describing the problem and suggested fix... |
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| 22:41.42 | pl4yer0ne | Rapp, checked the config in /etc/ ? |
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| 22:42.15 | memnon | johnrw: There are no Debian Developers here (I guess), so your feedback will not reach the right ones. |
| 22:42.18 | Rapp | pl4yer0ne: there is a exim4.conf.template.dpkg-dist in /etc/exim4, but its date is from sep 30! |
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| 22:42.24 | Rapp | wonder if that is the one |
| 22:42.31 | Rapp | i should be using |
| 22:42.43 | pl4yer0ne | there isnt a exim4.conf? |
| 22:42.44 | cheekee | is it not possible to watch dvds on lenny yet? |
| 22:42.47 | Eulex | memnon, there sometimes are, but that's not very relevant either :) |
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| 22:43.24 | petemc | Rapp: i think you just need to delete that file |
| 22:43.27 | Rapp | pl4yer0ne: no there isnt |
| 22:43.46 | Rapp | petemc: which file? |
| 22:43.56 | pl4yer0ne | hmm I dont use exim so hopefully someone else does and can shed a light? |
| 22:43.58 | memnon | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en#submit-bug |
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| 22:44.18 | memnon | "We also encourage installation reports to be sent even if the installation is successful," |
| 22:44.19 | petemc | Rapp: the .dpkg files |
| 22:44.28 | Rapp | hm, ok... |
| 22:44.59 | DiegoMax | what is the best way to know what user is running said process ? |
| 22:45.03 | DiegoMax | hi btw :) |
| 22:45.09 | memnon | johnrw: possibly your first bugreport ;) I never filed one, and I am on board since potato... |
| 22:45.28 | petemc | DiegoMax: ps aux |
| 22:45.47 | DiegoMax | so i should do a lot of greps and cuts over that just to get the user ? |
| 22:45.52 | DiegoMax | is there not a faster way ? |
| 22:46.15 | johnrw | ok... well I am not going to take any stock in this... since it seems to be popular opinion in #debian that this is a normal barrier to entry... |
| 22:46.18 | zagibu | cheekee: you need libdvdcss from the debian.multimedia.org repo, IIRC... |
| 22:46.28 | memnon | *sigh* |
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| 22:47.46 | memnon | johnrw: If you are really that unsatisfied with debians defaults, try other distros. I certainly did, before I settled on debian. suse, redhat, mandrake, I've tested them |
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| 22:47.56 | SQlvpapir_ | I just installed lenny from the network cd |
| 22:48.02 | JoshDreamland | Who do I have to yell at to get Code::Blocks on the apt-get list? D: |
| 22:48.23 | memnon | JoshDreamland: Whats Code::Blocks? |
| 22:48.27 | JoshDreamland | XD |
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| 22:48.28 | zagibu | johnrw: there will be many more such "barriers" to your linux experience... |
| 22:48.29 | SQlvpapir_ | my monitor tells me the refresh rate is too high for the monitor to cope with.. but I already specified it in the xorg.conf.. any tips? |
| 22:48.33 | JoshDreamland | it's a development environment |
| 22:48.51 | JoshDreamland | Made with wxWidgets, so I don't have to get used to a different one to develop for Linux |
| 22:49.14 | beowulf_lives | ndiswrapper's website is down? |
| 22:49.56 | johnrw | I mean... if nobody cares to know... or even use security issues... to justify lack of access to the other partitions on /dev/hda then I don't either... Sure I know how to fix it on my machine...(Changing hats now) but don't for a minute think I came here thinking about my problem... I was thinking about Debian... so yeah... |
| 22:49.57 | memnon | JoshDreamland: There is an unoffical repo... |
| 22:50.10 | JoshDreamland | Yeah, I already have it |
| 22:50.21 | JoshDreamland | I just think it'd be a nice addition to the list |
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| 22:50.43 | zagibu | johnrw: there is no lack of access, you just have to configure it |
| 22:50.52 | JoshDreamland | On Ubuntu? Fedora? Whichever, I just closed my eyes and typed apt-get for it |
| 22:50.58 | Eulex | JoshDreamland, file an RFP for it if there's not one already. |
| 22:51.01 | JoshDreamland | and viola, I was coding just like in Windows |
| 22:51.03 | jpinx | scrolls back to see what johnrw 's problem is |
| 22:51.19 | JoshDreamland | RFP? |
| 22:51.21 | johnrw | since you suggest I move along... to another distro... sadly... I'll tell other people to stay away from debian... |
| 22:51.24 | Eulex | !rfp |
| 22:51.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 22:51.25 | JoshDreamland | request for...? |
| 22:51.28 | johnrw | jpinx, don't bother |
| 22:51.28 | JoshDreamland | ah |
| 22:51.29 | JoshDreamland | Duh |
| 22:51.33 | jpinx | JoshDreamland: if you want to code like in windows - use windows :p |
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| 22:51.36 | zagibu | his problem is that debian didn't include his partitions he had from earlier to be automounted |
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| 22:51.38 | JoshDreamland | hahahaha |
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| 22:51.50 | JoshDreamland | no, I want to make something that will let you code like in Windows |
| 22:51.51 | memnon | johnrw: *I* think testing different distros is a good think |
| 22:51.56 | JoshDreamland | And Code::Blocks is a step there |
| 22:51.57 | jpinx | zagibu: that's not a bug - it's a feature |
| 22:51.58 | johnrw | I never said automounted! |
| 22:52.00 | memnon | johnrw: I think if debians defaults do not suit you, maybe others will |
| 22:52.14 | zagibu | well, mountable by users, then |
| 22:52.20 | memnon | *I* never said: Buzz off, I said: You have a choice. |
| 22:52.52 | DeSian | any way to install PDT plugin with Eclipse? |
| 22:52.52 | jpinx | johnrw: it appears you know perfectly well how to fix your system - so what's your question? |
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| 22:53.20 | zagibu | whatever, he basically whines that debian doesn't do everything for him as he has pictured it in his mind without him teling it to do so |
| 22:53.41 | jpinx | rtfm before installing then |
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| 22:54.20 | Eulex | JoshDreamland, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=304570 |
| 22:54.23 | memnon | jpinx: He wants to give feedback about wrong default decisions. He does not accept the reasons we told him. |
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| 22:54.45 | planet8 | I am trying to install Lenny on a iMac G4, does anyone know how to get the freaking CD to boot? |
| 22:55.14 | zagibu | johnrw: sorry, I didn't want to sound offensive, it's like memnon says, if you don't like it, try another distro. You can also file a bugreport, of course |
| 22:55.16 | jpinx | "wrong" as in "doesn't suit him" even though he knows perfectly well how to configure his own system? |
| 22:55.17 | JoshDreamland | Eulex: that works |
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| 22:55.57 | anyoone4 | ne1 here use skype? |
| 22:56.08 | jpinx | planet8: sounds like a bios issue, can you interrupt the boot process before it starts and get it to choose your CD |
| 22:56.18 | jpinx | anyoone4: yes I use skype |
| 22:56.21 | memnon | jpinx: He wants to improve debian for newbies, a noble idea. |
| 22:56.30 | memnon | no irony intended |
| 22:56.31 | planet8 | jpinx, do you know how? |
| 22:56.32 | adb | planet8: forget your finger on "C" taste until it boot fron cdrom |
| 22:56.35 | zagibu | i just read a long thread titled "why linux has no chance on the desktop" that mainly contained posts of windows users, so I'm a bit easy to anger atm |
| 22:56.38 | jpinx | is a total idiot, but uses debian very happily |
| 22:56.40 | johnrw | Ya know...http://www.debian.org/ has a nice picture... and it says universal operating system... except newbies i guess... |
| 22:56.43 | zagibu | sorry to anyone I might have offended |
| 22:57.15 | jpinx | zagibu: justifiably ;) |
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| 22:57.37 | memnon | johnrw: Universal= Lots of architectures, Lots of software, Lots of... |
| 22:57.52 | memnon | johnrw: Universal <> optimized for a single! case like: newbie |
| 22:58.11 | adb | + general defautls |
| 22:58.19 | anyoone4 | hi jpinx you every having any luck assigning a script to a event in skype? |
| 22:58.26 | memnon | johnrw: But there are several distros, even in the debian multiverse, that are specialized: Mint, ubuntu, etc. |
| 22:58.41 | jpinx | johnrw: define "newbie" please? |
| 22:58.56 | adb | ok !ot |
| 22:59.00 | jpinx | anyoone4: no - I'm a user, not a programmer |
| 22:59.31 | jpinx | adb: point taken - sorry |
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| 22:59.42 | anyoone4 | thanks jpinx |
| 22:59.44 | adb | thx |
| 22:59.50 | anon__ | hi. iceweasel is slow. is there something like a faster firefox? |
| 23:00.06 | memnon | thinks this is not really ot |
| 23:00.26 | memnon | anon__: Try conkeror. I love it ;) |
| 23:00.29 | adb | well it's a fake support |
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| 23:00.34 | jpinx | anon__: ff3 is known to be slow AFAIK - especially scrolling |
| 23:01.08 | anon__ | memnon: can i use the mouse in it? |
| 23:01.14 | anon__ | jpinx: yes :( |
| 23:01.17 | jpinx | has a little hand-crank on the side of his screen to speed up scrolling |
| 23:01.23 | memnon | anon__: Mhh, you can, but you do not need it |
| 23:01.25 | memnon | ;) |
| 23:01.40 | anon__ | memnon: do you use stumpwm ? |
| 23:01.47 | memnon | anon__: ratpoison |
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| 23:01.53 | anon__ | oh |
| 23:01.58 | memnon | anon__: same in blue |
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| 23:03.02 | johnrw | I think you have all talked me out of debian... I'll just take my losses today... and maybe find some nice people using linux... who appreciate it when people convey some usability concern... instead of trying to shoot the messenger... |
| 23:03.20 | johnrw | have a nice day people... |
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| 23:03.24 | eptalon | heyas |
| 23:03.25 | memnon | johnrw: I tried to be nice. |
| 23:03.38 | memnon | mhhh ... |
| 23:03.38 | cheekee | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
| 23:03.44 | johnrw | memnon, yeah... you did |
| 23:04.00 | cheekee | I already have deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
| 23:04.18 | gryfie_ | are there faster MTAs for debian (lenny) ? Exspecialy fore boot up |
| 23:04.21 | memnon | johnrw: sounds like: yeah... you did ... try only. Well, hope you find something thats suits you more |
| 23:04.21 | cheekee | but there is no libdvdcss2 in it |
| 23:04.33 | gryfie_ | Then Exim4 |
| 23:04.34 | zagibu | we are just users, not devs, so your improvement suggestions are wrong here...we also tried to explain why things are as they are, but oh well... |
| 23:04.42 | eptalon | gryfie_: what do you mean by faster? |
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| 23:05.17 | petemc | gryfie_: if exim4 slows your boot, theres usually a reason for it |
| 23:05.17 | gryfie_ | eptalon, : It "hangs" some time on boot up |
| 23:05.35 | memnon | cheekee: |
| 23:05.41 | memnon | BlackPearl:~# apt-cache search libdvdcss2 |
| 23:05.41 | memnon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.41 | memnon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.44 | petemc | gryfie_: the most common would be an interface brought up but without a link, so exim times out trying to use it |
| 23:05.45 | johnrw | mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda7 and it's all over with... later dudes... |
| 23:05.47 | eptalon | gryfie_: look in the exim logs; might be some dns thing. |
| 23:05.59 | zagibu | cheekee: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/package/libdvdcss2.php |
| 23:06.06 | simonrvn | gryfie_: "than". and there's nothing wrong with exim4 during boot. you configured something wrong... it expects to be able to connect to the outside if you tell it to do that. if it doesn't have one, you need to re-do dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 23:06.08 | zagibu | did you do an apt-get update? |
| 23:06.08 | gryfie_ | ok, thx |
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| 23:06.17 | jpinx | johnrw: I'm a totally self-taught amateur user with no programming knowledge at all, but debian rocks :D |
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| 23:07.08 | memnon | jpinx: Just wait, he'll be back someday ;) |
| 23:07.23 | memnon | I hope :o |
| 23:07.25 | eptalon | jpinx: arent we all, to some extent? |
| 23:07.45 | adb | !sunday |
| 23:07.45 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 23:08.04 | johnrw | memnon, naah... this was a real education... |
| 23:08.20 | res22 | !monday |
| 23:08.20 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
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| 23:08.31 | res22 | !today |
| 23:08.32 | dpkg | today is, like, try taking a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 23:08.43 | themill | res22: /msg dpkg ... |
| 23:08.55 | simonrvn | ffs |
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| 23:09.00 | res22 | right |
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| 23:09.44 | memnon | cheekee: Did you find it? |
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| 23:10.44 | eptalon | did I see that correctly that "hardware" RAid5 setups get 500-700 MByte/s (rebuild speed)? |
| 23:11.17 | eptalon | Compared to the 50-70 Myte/s at least I get with linux softraid5.. |
| 23:11.19 | eptalon | ? |
| 23:13.08 | zagibu | well, if hardware raid wasn't faster, why would it exist? |
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| 23:13.29 | zagibu | 500-700 MByte/s sounds a bit high, though |
| 23:13.34 | zagibu | is it with the same drives? |
| 23:13.53 | zagibu | or are you comparing SAS-disks to IDE, or something like that? |
| 23:14.08 | deadcat | very strange. i have linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem and 2.6.28 installed, update-grub no problem but when i reboot, grub menu only shows the 2.6.26. |
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| 23:14.40 | eptalon | zagibu: No idea, all I can say that on SATA-II (Maxtor, 300GB,24/7) I get rebulid speeds of around 60-65 MByte/s |
| 23:14.42 | gryfie_ | Did you install it the debian way ? |
| 23:14.55 | deadcat | gryfie_: me? yes. |
| 23:14.56 | zagibu | deadcat: did you check if the entries are in the grub config files at all? |
| 23:15.00 | gryfie_ | The new kernel |
| 23:15.02 | johnrw | hey guys... back in knoppix... |
| 23:15.05 | deadcat | zagibu: yes they are. |
| 23:15.22 | zagibu | strange indeed |
| 23:15.24 | jpinx | wrong support channel johnrw ;) |
| 23:15.37 | zagibu | hehe |
| 23:15.37 | johnrw | i don't need any support... : |
| 23:15.43 | memnon | johnrw: Ah, nice to be at home again, isn' it? ;) |
| 23:15.49 | gryfie_ | No, idea then I alwas edit /boot/grub/men u manual |
| 23:15.55 | deadcat | zagibu: i event edited the color, but it didnt change anything at the menu |
| 23:16.05 | gryfie_ | copying the default entry and modifiy it to the new names |
| 23:16.24 | johnrw | memnon: kinda like at my wife's parent's house... |
| 23:16.30 | jpinx | gryfie_: maybe run the config for grub and see what it shows you? |
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| 23:16.45 | zagibu | hmmm, grub has configs in either /boot/grub/menu.lst or boot/grub/grubconf, IIRC, so maybe they are in the wrong file? |
| 23:16.58 | jpinx | gryfie_: it is easy to get grub partition nomenclature wrong ;) |
| 23:16.58 | johnrw | memnon: I never really get to put my feet up on the coffee table... :) |
| 23:17.01 | zagibu | grub.conf, I meant |
| 23:17.06 | deadcat | zagibu: let me check grubconf |
| 23:17.32 | memnon | johnrw: ;) |
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| 23:17.34 | adb | johnrw: stop it ! |
| 23:17.48 | adb | go kno ! |
| 23:17.51 | deadcat | zagibu: ya. what the hell. when the f did they use grub.cfg instead of menu.lst? |
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| 23:18.06 | jpinx | johnrw: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 23:18.17 | zagibu | deadcat: no idea...so do you have both? |
| 23:18.18 | deadcat | man, grub has changed man. |
| 23:18.26 | deadcat | zagibu: no. but i know what to do now. |
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| 23:18.39 | jpinx | there's grub and grub2 |
| 23:18.41 | zagibu | ok, great |
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| 23:19.21 | zagibu | eptalon: I'm not too familiar with rebuild speeds, but I think HD write speeds in general are not much above 60MByte/s |
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| 23:19.45 | deadcat | jpinx: dpkg --get-selections only returns grub for me. |
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| 23:20.06 | deadcat | what the hell, /etc/grub.d now? SOB.... |
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| 23:20.07 | jpinx | deadcat: try apt-cache search grub |
| 23:20.14 | drwahl | i'm having some issues getting 3d accel working on my system. i have 2 nvidia video cards and 4 monitors. xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m1bca3c05 Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/m708a312a |
| 23:20.43 | deadcat | jpinx: k. but then its useless to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst since it doesnt even update.. damn....... |
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| 23:21.17 | simonrvn | grub and grub2 .... |
| 23:21.21 | eptalon | zagibu: So whats the benefit of hw raid then? |
| 23:21.41 | deadcat | simonrvn: which you recommend? |
| 23:21.49 | simonrvn | depends |
| 23:22.04 | deadcat | simonrvn: i have a dual xeon |
| 23:22.04 | zagibu | well, it's still a bit faster, because it has dedicated electronics...but certainly not 10 times faster like you suggested |
| 23:22.08 | simonrvn | one boots icky OS OK, the other doesn't. |
| 23:22.10 | deadcat | simonrvn: desktop |
| 23:22.27 | deadcat | simonrvn: only have debian |
| 23:22.38 | jpinx | uses grub original 'cos he eventually got to understand it |
| 23:22.39 | simonrvn | doesn't matter then |
| 23:22.41 | deadcat | k |
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| 23:22.56 | zagibu | eptalon: I get 30 MB/s if i dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile and abort with ctrl+c after a while |
| 23:23.03 | deadcat | i am on grub, but the damn thing doesnt read /boot/grub/menu.lst )= |
| 23:23.04 | simonrvn | configuration is quite different. the grub.cfg is grub2 |
| 23:23.06 | zagibu | granted, it's a laptop drive, but still |
| 23:23.07 | deadcat | i am used to that file |
| 23:23.22 | deadcat | simonrvn: k.. dont know why i have that. |
| 23:23.25 | zagibu | i don't think even the best disks are much above 100MB/s |
| 23:23.32 | zagibu | if at all |
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| 23:23.36 | simonrvn | sid? |
| 23:23.42 | deadcat | simonrvn: ya |
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| 23:24.01 | gryfie_ | Now, I guess hardwareraid will use less cpu-power |
| 23:24.10 | simonrvn | it got updated so that it *seems* to be using grub2's -common package |
| 23:24.12 | zagibu | yeah, that as well |
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| 23:24.24 | simonrvn | whcih is really odd... could be a bug |
| 23:24.50 | deadcat | simonrvn: i am screwed for a while then? |
| 23:24.59 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:25.16 | simonrvn | AFAICT anyway. i haven't rebooted since :) |
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| 23:25.57 | deadcat | simonrvn: well. i installed 2.6.28 last night and the grub menu only shows the orig kernel i had (2.6.26) |
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| 23:26.50 | eptalon | deadcat: I have a 2.6.28 here running fine (but I am on experimental/sid) |
| 23:27.02 | simonrvn | i have grub-pc (which is v2) installed, so it's working ok for me. trying running update-grub again, and check your installed packages. |
| 23:27.10 | deadcat | eptalon: i am just sid. |
| 23:27.41 | deadcat | simonrvn: grub-pc was deinstalled, let me install taht |
| 23:27.46 | simonrvn | no one "is on" experimental, it's not a version unto itself. |
| 23:27.55 | deadcat | simonrvn: that will remove grub... |
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| 23:28.04 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:28.08 | deadcat | go/ |
| 23:28.09 | deadcat | ? |
| 23:28.19 | simonrvn | up to you |
| 23:28.25 | simonrvn | i have grub-pc (which is v2) installed, so it's working ok for me. trying running update-grub again, and check your installed packages. |
| 23:28.34 | deadcat | (= |
| 23:28.41 | simonrvn | i didn't say install grub-pc |
| 23:28.50 | deadcat | oh |
| 23:28.59 | simonrvn | i have grub-pc (which is v2) installed, so it's working ok for me. trying running update-grub again, and check your installed packages. |
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| 23:29.02 | simonrvn | see ? |
| 23:29.22 | deadcat | update-grub? i ran that serveral times. same result. |
| 23:30.00 | deadcat | simonrvn: it shows that its updating /boot/grub/menu.lst and the 2 kernels. and they are in menu.lst but when i boot up. the new one is not there. |
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| 23:30.40 | simonrvn | and your 2.6.28 is installed too? :) |
| 23:30.49 | deadcat | simonrvn: yes. |
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| 23:31.11 | simonrvn | BTS time |
| 23:31.19 | deadcat | arg. |
| 23:31.29 | simonrvn | heh |
| 23:31.41 | sshc | hi, I recently apt-get update && apt-get upgraded, and now my Xorg server can't start. I'm using fglrx and an old ATI 9500 |
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| 23:33.52 | sshc | some output is: (II) Module "i2c" already built-in<newline>(II) Module "ddc" already built-in<newline>(WW)fglrx: No matchine Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) fo<newline>(EE) No devices detected |
| 23:34.14 | sshc | I have no idea what to do |
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| 23:35.58 | aredhel | sshc, have you tried starting X with out a xorg.conf file? |
| 23:36.22 | wonderwal | when a new stable is released, how long is oldstable supported for? |
| 23:37.02 | adb | ~ 1 year |
| 23:37.10 | zagibu | sshc: maybe a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg helps? |
| 23:37.14 | gryfie_ | not until next release ? |
| 23:37.42 | sshc | aredhel: I'll try that now, but won't I lose my custom configuration with my settings (emulate3buttons, etc)? |
| 23:37.43 | eptalon | wonderwal: supported for -> security updates |
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| 23:38.00 | caimlas | I've got a kernel build I'm trying to make and I'm having a bit of a problem. after 'booting the kernel.' I get [stamp goes here] kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0). it's the source from the stock debian 5.0 kernel, using the stock .config file, rebuilt w/ only xfs and ide added (instead of as a module). system has an xfs lvm root paritition, ext2 /boot. any idea what I might be missing or have |
| 23:38.00 | caimlas | misconfigured? |
| 23:38.09 | aredhel | sshc, just move it out of the way, then compair with what X puts in there. |
| 23:38.15 | zagibu | sshc: i guess you do...so better copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf first |
| 23:38.45 | sshc | zagibu: zagibu: I tried dpkg-reconfigure, but it still doesn't work with the same error |
| 23:39.21 | sshc | without xorg.conf, I get a different error: |
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| 23:40.06 | sshc | (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found<newline> (EE)open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 23:41.09 | sshc | do I need to install an older version of fglrx? |
| 23:41.21 | adb | coment line (BusID PCI:2:0:1 |
| 23:41.37 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.27 | sshc | actually, in xorg.conf it's PCI:2:0:0 |
| 23:42.43 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:42.49 | SirTophat | hey |
| 23:43.00 | SirTophat | I forgot how to mount a partition |
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| 23:43.17 | zagibu | man mount? |
| 23:43.44 | adb | hic . |
| 23:43.49 | sshc | adb: same error with the BusID PCI:2:0:0 line commented out |
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| 23:44.50 | simonrvn | caimlas: forgot initrd |
| 23:45.01 | sshc | do I need to install an older version of fglrx? |
| 23:45.51 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.59 | zagibu | you mean because they dropped support for 9500, or why? |
| 23:46.07 | adb | instead of fbdev |
| 23:46.16 | zagibu | i don't think they would do such a thing |
| 23:46.30 | SirTophat | ah damn it's reado nly |
| 23:46.40 | SirTophat | I need to delete something on it but I can't. |
| 23:46.45 | simonrvn | fglrx? why isn't sshc using the radeon driver instaead? |
| 23:46.53 | SirTophat | if I'm root I should be allowed to do this |
| 23:46.56 | adb | run as root |
| 23:47.02 | SirTophat | I am root |
| 23:47.08 | simonrvn | it's not too much different than my radeon 9K ... |
| 23:47.24 | SirTophat | I'm trying to remove files form a mounted filesystem but supposedly it's read only |
| 23:47.37 | SirTophat | why would it be reado nly by default that's pointless |
| 23:47.40 | adb | its ntfs ? |
| 23:47.43 | simonrvn | what does `mount' say? |
| 23:47.47 | SirTophat | it's ntfs |
| 23:47.52 | adb | so |
| 23:47.52 | sshc | adb: (WW) RADEON: No matchine Device section for instance (PCI 2:0:1) found |
| 23:47.52 | simonrvn | not it's not pointless... |
| 23:48.01 | jpinx | ntfs does that sometimes;) |
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| 23:48.08 | sshc | simonrvn: should I not be using fglrx? |
| 23:48.17 | null_ | Question: Amarok 2.x + Sid = WHEN!?!??!?! :'( |
| 23:48.21 | sshc | simonrvn: I just switched to RADEON in my xorg.conf |
| 23:48.32 | SirTophat | so how to I make it delete this steuff I wanna delet |
| 23:48.33 | sshc | was support for 9500 dropped? |
| 23:48.41 | zagibu | i don't think so |
| 23:48.53 | null_ | There is a #xorg, yknwo |
| 23:48.54 | SirTophat | rm-rf tells me it's reado nly |
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| 23:49.24 | simonrvn | sshc: no, use radeon, it supports it |
| 23:49.34 | SirTophat | how do I mount it so I can write and delete on it |
| 23:49.39 | simonrvn | man radeon says, in SUPPORTED HARDWARE |
| 23:49.41 | simonrvn | R300 Radeon 9700PRO/9700/9500PRO/9500/9600TX, FireGL X1/Z1 |
| 23:49.48 | simonrvn | (amongst others) |
| 23:49.55 | zagibu | SirTophat: try with -o rw, i guess |
| 23:50.03 | simonrvn | !ntfs-3g |
| 23:50.03 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 23:50.07 | SirTophat | mount sais it already is rw |
| 23:50.09 | simonrvn | SirTophat: ^^^^ |
| 23:50.18 | sshc | simonrvn: ok, but I still get the error |
| 23:50.26 | jpinx | SirTophat: I make an entry in fstab and then do mount -a |
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| 23:50.34 | zagibu | yeah, read what simonrvn said |
| 23:50.38 | simonrvn | sshc: what does lspci say your video device is at? |
| 23:50.52 | SirTophat | .-. |
| 23:50.58 | sshc | I'm not sure what the PCI part means, but shouldn't it be looking for 2:0:0 as it is in xorg.conf and not 2:0:1? |
| 23:50.58 | SirTophat | so I should put it in fstab |
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| 23:51.16 | simonrvn | sshc: i set my BusID, which is: BusID "PCI:1:5:0" |
| 23:51.51 | jpinx | SirTophat: what he said ^^ |
| 23:51.56 | SirTophat | what |
| 23:51.59 | simonrvn | sshc: lspci and xorg are different. |
| 23:52.00 | SirTophat | what who said |
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| 23:52.02 | SirTophat | ??? |
| 23:52.04 | simonrvn | the bot |
| 23:52.16 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 23:52.19 | zagibu | about ntfs-3g |
| 23:52.28 | jpinx | !tell SirTophat about user accessible ntfs |
| 23:52.38 | SirTophat | couldn't find package ntfs-3g |
| 23:52.50 | sshc | simonrvn: lspci | grep ATI outputs two lines, which I don't understand |
| 23:52.54 | simonrvn | exactly as i typed it there... |
| 23:53.00 | simonrvn | IN YOUR IRC CLIENT |
| 23:53.02 | rgr | I have a remote server which is overheating. How best to monitor it from ssh? |
| 23:53.08 | SirTophat | fine agh |
| 23:53.13 | simonrvn | sshc: show me, in /msg |
| 23:53.29 | SirTophat | well then how do I install it, if it's not in apt-get |
| 23:53.39 | simonrvn | it is |
| 23:53.44 | SirTophat | ... |
| 23:54.09 | SirTophat | not when I do it |
| 23:54.14 | caimlas | simonrvn, how might I go about specifying the creation of the initrd using the debian make-kpkg tool, any idea? |
| 23:54.31 | anyoone4 | simple question what apt command do i use to show all the files that a package installed? |
| 23:54.37 | simonrvn | caimlas: RTM, you're looking for --initrd |
| 23:54.52 | SirTophat | what's it called in apt-get |
| 23:55.13 | caimlas | simonrvn, d'oh. thanks. I completely overlooked that... |
| 23:55.17 | adb | ntfs-3g - read-write NTFS driver for FUSE |
| 23:55.28 | zagibu | rgr: lm-sensors |
| 23:55.33 | SirTophat | I mounted it to stuff, and now if I try to do umount /stuff it sais device is busy |
| 23:55.45 | adb | SirTophat: it is in lenny |
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| 23:56.00 | *** part/#debian brunner (n=chris@68-119-87-106.dhcp.mtgm.al.charter.com) |
| 23:56.03 | *** part/#debian johnrw (n=johnrw@c-68-39-252-155.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:56.03 | zagibu | SirTophat: are you still in /stuff |
| 23:56.04 | *** join/#debian Mordbrann (n=Mordbran@adsl-75-61-75-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:56.08 | SirTophat | no |
| 23:56.23 | adb | SirTophat: yes you are |
| 23:56.32 | SirTophat | oh wait I am |
| 23:56.33 | jpinx | SirTophat: search your running processes |
| 23:56.37 | zagibu | damn |
| 23:56.51 | *** part/#debian dquarter1 (n=david@120-78.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 23:57.07 | SirTophat | so how do I mount it then, to make it so I can delete files, I think someone said -a |
| 23:57.07 | simonrvn | umount it first, then mount it with ntfs-3g as FS arg. |
| 23:57.27 | SirTophat | I told you, ntfs-2g isn't in apt get |
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| 23:57.40 | adb | on lenny ? |
| 23:57.45 | zagibu | -a just automaounts stuff in /etc/fstab...you kinda got that out of context |
| 23:57.55 | SirTophat | I dunno if I'm in lenny or not |
| 23:57.58 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.04 | adb | not -2g |
| 23:58.11 | SirTophat | I did 3g |
| 23:58.11 | zagibu | do a cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:58.23 | SirTophat | 4.0 |
| 23:58.29 | zagibu | that's etch |
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| 23:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 922] by debhelper |
| 23:59.05 | SirTophat | why does debian have to overly complicate everything? I should be able to just log in as root, go to the partition, and delete what I want |
| 23:59.14 | SirTophat | but no I have to go through all this garbage |
| 23:59.26 | zagibu | ntfs is not open-source, dude |
| 23:59.26 | simonrvn | this isn't complicated |
| 23:59.34 | zagibu | this has nothing to do with debian |
| 23:59.44 | zagibu | be happy that linux can even mount ntfs |
| 23:59.53 | simonrvn | you're lucky to even be able to have a FUSE driver |
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| 23:59.59 | SirTophat | so then it's completely impossible to delete this file |
